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00:00 So eight governments come together and on one day in twenty twenty one arrest hundreds of people and most of them are going to get away free. Yeah, was the largest sting operation ever commenced involving eight different governments, eight hundred arrests and over forty tons of drugs were seized on that day, but because of legal loopholes might not count. So the way that they found the information is going to make it so that they might not be admissible in court. 00:27 and so we're going to talk about how they, how they found that information, the strategies they use, the loopholes that the FBI went through to try to get that information and then what ended up happening, so where they may not even be able to follow through on these cases. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast, so if you googled this and you're not want to learn about the Trojan shield, we're gonna you're gonna learn about it, but we also make a lot of jokes. So if you hate this 00:50 please let us know in the comments and then watch all of our other episodes and tell us how much you hate this show. It really is no one is going to make us change. I promise if you want one more hate comment, we'll finally change all we mat of our two hundred episode show yeah. Thank you appreciate your feedback and if you are looking for a I don't appreciate it at all. I want you to know I don't appreciate your feedback in the slightest. Well, if you're looking for a place to 01:13 secretly share messages with people. You can join our membership platform. Go to till it dot com slash support. We've got all sorts of great perks. Our patrons make this possible, so I appreciate you. That's right. You can join our discord and get an episode a week early, but for now you got to listen to this week's episode, which starts right 01:32 Now. I'll allow it. 01:39 Hey man, what's up? Hey, have you ever heard of Operation Trojan Shield, Trojan Shield, Operation Trojan Shield? No, let me let me show you this picture and we'll see if this helps you at all. If you see this, does this help you? 02:05 Let me see what countries are in this. Okay, so operation trojan seal looks like a video game. Are we talking about a video game right now? No, no, not not a video game. I mean, I you know, here's the thing. It could eventually get app adapted, but it's not like not. This isn't from a video game. Okay, let's let's try this. Okay, 02:33 What about if I show you this? This is a logo for something, another logo, an arm. Yeah. Do you know what that is like an anomaly? No. 02:44 I why do you wait? Do this? I see the oh I can see that it's the same. Oh yeah, I get that they're related yeah. Okay, okay. What about if we do here? Let me show you one more. Oh, holy wait a minute. I recognize this one. Try this one. Do you recognize this one special operation Ron side? No, it's iron, but the eye is like exploding doing the doing the I don't feel so good Mr Stark. 03:12 I is that what it's doing oh no yeah Ron side ran for local commissioner after killing his family. Whoa well, he had to get out of it, so he had to run for a commissioner and and he yeah. I don't know what you take so long dude in the beginning you go. We use logo I go now. I don't recognize that you go huh. What about about this logo? 03:40 and I go no, I don't recognize that one at all. Like we're doing the freaking ink test and I like. What do you see when you see this? I don't know my dad, I guess I don't know like what does that say about me? Well, shut up, I'm doing something. Hey, stop talking, I'm doing something. I'm doing something then later in the episode when I'm doing bits, you're like we have a lot to get to, but you spend the first five minutes freaking being like here's my powerpoint present loosely planned for minutes before this started 04:07 get to it do okay, okay, okay, okay, ready, ready? I've been on june eighth twenty twenty one morning of june eight twenty twenty okay. Do you know where you were that day? Not here. It was a what's the thursday? It was a Tuesday afternoon 04:30 well. No, I literally said the morning of June 8, 2021, so sorry it was a wall in my time zone. It was an afternoon. Why yeah? I guess I guess it does depend the day. Hold on. Let's see day of the week was oh shoot. It was a Tuesday. Well, I don't always say oh shoot. I knew that I hate that you got that right. That was just a guess. Okay, no, no, no, okay, so I'll say what I was doing on June 8, 2021 Tuesday morning 05:02 it was twenty twenty one, so I was door dashing praying to God that I would meet the amount that required for my rent yeah because the world had returned, but gigs had not actually. That's not true. June eight twenty one. I was probably at the airfield. That's when I was learning so actually yeah yeah. Yeah, gosh, remember that yeah. Remember when you almost became a pilot? I mean, I got some images to show you 05:33 let me show you why they won't let me be a pilot. You're tell me what this makes you think of it. I'll tell you why you can't so on June, eight twenty twenty one. What are we talking about? June, eight twenty twenty one morning, one of which episode of ours came out on June, eighth. Oh yeah, that's a good question. I don't know whatever it is. Go listen to it. Tuesday, June, eight twenty twenty one. Alice, could you look that up while we're doing this while we're doing whatever we're doing here? Yeah, he's not going to he's not here today. That's why he's not going to do a twenty twenty one 06:03 morning, yes, Australia, there's a no the night of June, seven for us. Yes, they live in the future. They do. You're right. Correct. So Australia, yeah, man sleeping in his house, a knock at the door, the knock, the knock turns into the doors erupted open, banged open in flows. The Australian Federal Police, a whole barrage of them. Yeah, they arrest him and hang a ruse. 06:31 if you didn't know the federal police in Australia, just kangaroos. Oh no, no, they're called king. I didn't mean they're kangaroos to an idiot. I've always known they were actual king. There are people and they're called the kangaroos, kangaroos and three piece suits, double breasted kangaroo suits. I a little cut out for their inside their pouch, a K forty sevens, two of them 06:54 two, two, we'll dumb and their goofy little arms. Yeah, their stupid little choir and they're like all right, man, you go to prison, joman, a zoo or whatever so please come in arrest him yeah on charges that he's we don't have an aim okay on charges that he is shocked that they are aware of for crimes that he doesn't understand. 07:24 simultaneously and the United Kingdom, a similar scene unfolds okay knock at the door bursting in yeah the British police. I don't know what they are like our bad potato soup. I can't think of anything other than the British food sucks. Oh, I only stereotype. I can come up. Yeah, 07:49 same thing. They're the queens, their all in wings, the Queen Bat, yeah Lithuania, okay, similar scene on unfolds. This happens. I don't know what left way yeah. I could not tell you a single thing about Lithuania. Pull up a map, ask where it is. I can guess I bet I'd be relatively close. I've been in New Orleans. Yeah, that's the same. Lithuania yeah, you're close, so 08:16 This happens all over the world. 800 different arrests conducted at the exact same time, globally. Okay. And they all come back to this Operation Trojan Shield. Okay. And so, to tell this story, we need to go backwards a little bit. Back to 2018. In 2018, there was a guy who went by the name of Afo, Afo, Afo, Afo, Afa, Afa. Okay. 08:46 off. That sounds better off. So off. We don't know who he is. We his identity hasn't been officially revealed and I don't know if it ever will be officially revealed, but he worked with a number of criminal syndicates around the world. Specifically, he worked with the Facebook Mark Zuckerberg. I think is what his name is crime syndicate. No, there's ring leader Mark Zuckerberg, the Facebook criminal 09:16 Hakan Ayik, that's his name, Hakan Ayik. He was known as the Facebook criminal because in the 2010s, he was a pretty prolific European crime lord, but he did it all on Facebook. He was like an influencer. He's posting all of his crimes on online like, oh my God, and like bragging about it. And so this is the guy just 09:43 just duck face. 09:51 yeah and so he so Afu, I believe Afus his name, okay, was working with Ayuk, I Ick, Ick, maybe is how you pronounce that. I don't know sure, but they were working together. However, yeah, they were working together. I love someone telling our story being like Ja rune and 10:14 his hub. It's Tom. I is how they spell Tom at the time at the time, I run and Tom think they use a spell Tom with I I think the M makes a B sound for what we're in doing research, but you pronounce it backwards. So so Jeroen and bit were hi. I'm bit 10:44 they they worked on a couple of different projects together. Are you tired today? Not particularly. Why is wondering? Are you tired today? I feel great. Why would you ask that's why I ask what you just did where you went here a little your your energy is weird for me today. All right anyways, they worked with a right. I feel like I feel like this is where Tim tries to gas like me and I go hey man. We can talk about it. You good 11:13 you good. I never got. Would you have an argument with before we got here? Literally nobody didn't get stuck in traffic. You didn't get you know on edge. No, there's no edges here zero edges okay. All right. 11:26 I did you know now that you know now that okay, I'll come on. Oh, you want me to be vulnerable, I'll be vulnerable. I hear coming here. I was driving away here. I got off the freeway and I went wrong way in the roundabout. I went the wrong way in the roundabout and everyone acted like I was the bad guy, but I wasn't the bad guy. It was an obvious 11:43 mistake is easy mistake to go hard. You turn around the concrete. Sometimes you go the wrong. I just thought like I don't want to go right. I don't want to go left. I drove straight through the middle and I don't understand why people are mad about that. I don't get what my Honda fit. It's not my hatchback Honda, Lime, Yellow to go the wrong way. Can I not go the wrong way? Yes, I'm sick of his conformists who want me to just let me to run with the flow of 12:13 Insane. I'm not the crazy one here, so they worked with a platform called Phantom secure okay, Phantom secure was a part of a cohort of brands in the criminal underworld. Yeah, underworld, so Phantom secure was probably the biggest one was the umbrella crime company. No Phantom secure was the biggest one. Ancro chat was another one and it and it com was another one sky global was another one and these were essentially jailbroken phones that 12:43 you could use for encrypted two-way chats. So you could talk about your drug shipments and your gun runs and stuff like that without worry that the feds were on to the conversations that you were having. And so these were jailbroken phones or phones specially manufactured to do crime on. This is 2018. This is through the 2010s. And so I'm. 13:08 a fue will come a fue. I don't I don't remember what his name he goes by is nothing matters. We don't know who give him a new name. We don't know who as all we know is it's an alias give him. You'll both be Tim so he took Tim and I are working together. They are. I love that it that off. You're like I can't figure that one out. I yick nailed it. Well, how would you say that a yik? 13:37 ayak ayak and off who ayak and off who okay, so I fume and a they are they are distributors for the phones and so these phones because they are crime phones. They can't set up a t mobile store and sell in the store. They can't have marketing campaigns or anything like that. It's all word of mouth and so what these guys were is they would go around and do phone marketing is trying to sell who don't have phones. Yeah, you can't cold the 14:04 Hello! Ahhhh! 14:11 it's so all people. Are you called? It's not connected. Oh, we got one. I was going to figure out how to get in touch with I got to find that guy who all I know is his number doesn't work. 14:33 I love the idea of a guy just got the Bluetooth headset in he's cooking his eggs. He's just work from home. Yeah, it's just like dial hello. Never mind, never mind bummer. That's really funny. So can't catch a freaking break, so they would go talking to all their other crime friends. Sure they'd be like hey, what kind of phone are you guys using? I need to get some crime and they try 15:02 I need to find my crime tribe, you know, crime tribe yeah, and so they would sell them. They'd be like like hey, we've got a good a good new phone for you, two way encryption, all that stuff and so these phones they were. They would look like normal phones, but they would obvious typically have like some weird guys in in ones are doing this is a I'll say your phone yeah well he 15:24 just put that on a story. Maybe there's no stories that there was just photo albums use code here's here. Here's thirty pictures uploaded at once. All the sales I've made this every criminals buying encrypted funds for me take your mask down for. Could you yeah yeah perfect smile yeah. I think he was flirting with me. You haven't happened to kill anybody lately right 15:52 those blood, so what and they would they would typically have like a hidden area in the phone where you would go have your chats and then you could like lock that area up okay kind of like remember. Remember, I'm sure this is still the way, but they've updated them, so I don't know if it's how it works. Remember the Coca Cola like freestyle machines. You know I'm talking about over. You could like do a little. They've got the they've got the three specific bubbles that you tap and and that's how you like get into the 16:21 machine and to work stuff. Yeah, they fix that yeah. I don't know how you do it now, but is the same concept. There was like specific hidden stuff you click on and then it gets you into the chat feature right and then you can have your hidden secret chats and then you can close it out and you don't have it. What was first Coca Cola freestyle machine you saw? Oh my boggling that's the closest. I think I've felt to how people in nineteen sixty nine must have felt watching us land on the moon. 16:56 you know I'm saying I was like I can put cherry and vanilla in this. The crazy thing about a coke freestyle machine is it's not that impressive. Like if you like step away from it, it's not that impressive, the but like easy thing about airplanes is that it's really not that impressive. If you look back, it's like no, it's pretty wild that we do that. Yeah, airplanes are airplanes. If you step back and you think about it, 17:23 pretty crazy that that works. Go, go a freestyle machines. If you step back, you're like how did human ingenuity do this? It's the same thing we had before with a screen. It's not before the screen, not the same thing we had before. If you genuinely genuinely hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on a normal coke thing where you just the ones with the levers. If you took some hoses and just spouted the hoses on those and then we're able to just 17:51 hit multiple levers at once. That's what a coke freestyle machine is with a screen that just makes sure all that levers gets levered. Yeah, it's the same concept, add an abacus and you were able to do all this and had up different numbers. It's the same thing. A calculator is they were talking about. Yeah, it's not impressive. I'm not impressed, but I will say I agree with you though. Seeing it for the first time was a revolutionary moment in my life. Yeah, 18:17 I there. There is the moment I say we can't say what it's called, but the drink that you can make yeah having to do that manually, do you still do that? 18:36 I don't think they call that. I don't know what they call it now. I call it a mental crisis. I don't know my mental health crisis. Oh yeah, it's my sunshine or whatever. We called it something else. Would you call it Alex? 18:52 he has no idea what we're talking about right. He has no idea what we're talking about. You know what we put all the soda, but all this together in one so that's not called. You don't know what was called. Ah Alex is have a mic today. 19:10 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code tilling and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time, so 19:37 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still. I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 19:54 anyways so and then these phones, what they had is they were connected to the service and so at any oh yeah, we went from the freestyle coke machine to the phone or to the things and then to gasoline. I don't know how we got where we were, but so so I also do the freestyle gas where I put. I put all of them in my car, oh free 20:24 I put them all yeah that's a good idea. 20:30 And then the green one really messes with what's really good. Yeah, I love the green one. It's great. Smells the best. Nothing ends the day like a good swig of diesel. So these phones, it was two thousand dollars for a six month subscription. Okay. And the reason why is your subscription service. Obviously they did the encryption and everything like that. But the biggest part of it is if you got got by the feds or something like right, right, right, then one of your crime allies could. 20:59 message support. Well, they could message support and support will remotely clear everything in the phone and so support would wipe it and so you would know like okay, your evidence is safe. They also had like features where it's like if it was an inactive for long enough, it would just wipe everything. I don't know. You seem pretty guilty in here. No, it's not even I literally didn't even do anything wrong. I'm just really mad because there was pictures of my kids on that phone 21:28 now there's not now there's not because you got got yeah I got got. We saw that you wiped that phone. That means you're pretty guilty. I really wasn't even do anything wrong yeah, but you can't prove it. I can't prove it, but I also can't prove my kids love me. Can I yeah? That's why I have pictures. That's why the court, that's why the court gave him to her mom on the week days. I know week days and I only get him on the weekends and now I don't have any proof. Yeah, I can't prove that they love me 21:55 that won't say it honestly. I'm already in a prison of my own. What does it matter if you put your cares yeah? Put me in your prison, put me in your prison, my prisons worse. I bet so dramatic 22:12 So they're running this thing, right? The government finds out about it and the government's like, and now all of a sudden there's a vacuum. Afu, I'm pretty confident I'm saying that different. 22:37 every time I say doesn't matter. Go ahead, Afu. It's only weird that you keep pointing it out to. I just don't remember what because it's not his real name. It's a code name that he yeah. That's why I don't think he's offended. I don't think he's listening and being like it's off. You know, like he's like it's a code name. It's like I made it up yeah. Okay, so it's AFU dude like just say the letters Afu he he has an idea. He's like oh 23:06 white space. He's an entrepreneur. for the criminals. That's what Anom is. And when you turned it on, 23:34 would scramble the numbers every time. So no one looking over your shoulder could look at the pattern or anything like that. So every time you were... But also you got to be like... Ha ha ha ha. 23:47 it's so much slower for you to open his phone. You're like yeah, like yeah, and I got sorry got text okay, shoot, okay, like I couldn't tell you we have a we have a key pad on my on my door, my front door, my house yeah. I legitimately was thinking this here. I don't think I can tell you what the code is. I just know the muscle memory of where to you know where the numbers are, where to go on it. Well, that was the interesting thing about like the early androids because remember the very early androids didn't have a number pad 24:16 It was literally that it was a pattern. You try that's right. Yeah, you would do the swiggle thing. Yeah, that was weird. Why did they do that? I just think they thought they were trying to be cool. Yeah, no one liked them. I liked it okay, but so there was these modified phones. You would open the phone and when you got on the phone, it would be full of all the apps, face, Twitter, locked were they like our like this slider phone, I phones, no 24:40 a sire phone we have. Oh yeah, those phones they didn't lock none of them locked. That's there was no reason for that back in all the time. Yeah, actually a hundred percent, but that yeah, you can accidentally go live on Instagram. There's so many more dangerous things could happen. Yeah, yeah from your pocket. So once you figure out your passcode, you get it on. It's got all the apps. It's got Facebook, Twitter, Google, all the stuff is on there, but if you tap them, nothing happens. They were fake 25:10 But you could, when you opened up the phone, there was a secret passcode. And once you entered the secret passcode, that did nothing. 25:38 yeah at the movie for me. It was all just felons just just yeah dudes. He recently got out of prison yeah. Everyone thought it was going to be a kids movie one family shows up people, the face tats and the theater were crazy. They were so high. They were saying actually where they so a this is a fun fact. Actually you can you can you can get on this was that the angry birds movie premiere was a Trojan horse to catch 26:06 to catch a ring criminal, yep, yep, yep, because they somehow knew because well, what people didn't know is that angry birds through the terms and conditions were allowed to look to your for a lot of the camera phone. So you were playing and then crime was happening. I was having by you yeah. You just finished doing some torture and you're like oh, did we kill that guy? Yeah, no, I just sold this amount to a guy in Montana. That's right. I 26:36 I sold dead kilograms of drugs to the yeah also look at my birds pretty angry, darn so once you got into this other side of the phone, the layers to this are crazy. You could then go open that calculator app and in the calculator app function like a normal calculator. 27:00 unless you entered the right code, then you enter the right code and then it opens up the a nom operating system and in there you have all the chat features and all the encrypted stuff and the secret stuff for you cry every time you get a text message. You got to go then you got to open this third party app and be like all right, then you got to open a calculator and do a math equation and then just to just to see a text that says got it. You're like all that forgot it 27:27 just to see a tax. That's a screenshot of angry birds needs like what I just see my new high score just to see a says hey and I can't make it today. My wife says I can't hang out. 27:40 And that was what they're encrypting. They're like, no one can know this. 27:46 Anyways, so stop looking at me like that. Stop it. Stop looking at me like that. I'm going to take all the gas out of your bags. So anyways, and so this, he was like, he's like, oh, this is a good idea. Yeah. 28:16 you know what I've done a lot of crime and he's like he's like and honestly if I get caught I bet I'm looking at a lot of prison yeah and so he calls up his lawyer and he's like hey let's meet with the FBI and his lawyers like love the way you're thinking and so the lawyer calls the FBI and is like hey I need to meet with you tomorrow. 28:42 and if they does that they're like you yeah, we can the coffee shop on seven or you are wrong. So they show up at the FBI office, Afu and his lawyer, yeah and they come in and they have a conference room meeting. He goes and he's like sharks for fourteen years. I've been operating a secret phone company behind the backs of the of the United States government and you, the Federal Board of Investigative Bureau, Bureau or Board Bureau, 29:13 Is it birds? Are you guys angry birds fans to today? I'm seeking full immunity in exchange for this small idol I found in the woods. 29:29 it's a fiber. He thinks that they'll honor the there's a hidden immunity. I he's like oh sweet. They can't take me to jail. He's like show the jury this and everyone's like ah. How do you pull it? How do you do it? He's like so 29:56 he's so like Sir, you're under rest. What the guys, how's work? I got the I don't. It wasn't. It wasn't a real immunity. That sucks sharks. No, he does. He does a full presentation of the poem. He goes. Have you guys ever heard of Trojan Shield? Maybe 30:23 Maybe this logo would. 30:29 no. You know about that one. 30:53 EEEE 30:56 are you talking about this one? I was like how long you're gonna let us sit here because you knew I was going to wait to talk. I love doing this show, so he's basically like yeah. He's I'm gonna let you in on this. If you install the back door yeah and then I don't get to go to prison sure and they're like well, why do you would you go to prison for he's like he's like 31:24 is a I don't know. I don't know. What do you know? That's a power move to show to the FBI office right. You roll in you go hello FBI, quick question for you. 31:44 What do you know? What do you know? They go, what do I know? What do you know about me? They go nothing. I commit to go. That's right. So if you want to be on an FBI's wanted list, ask him what they know about you and they're like we don't know much, but I can tell you we're going to find something. What you know about me nothing good 32:11 keep it that way cool. That's a that's like a hard thing. That's something that your uncle would say to you when he comes home for Thanksgiving and he's like your six and hey, what do you know about me? Nothing. Keep it that way. Yeah, what do you know about me? I know that mom was really stressed out that you're going to be here today. Keep it that way. Yeah, all right, if you want to keepers, I've got a phone company and I've got a competing off. You could have it or I've got a competing offer from 32:40 waiting star Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds, the reason he started his phone company, Mitt Mobile, is that he was because he was out on the crime mobile. That's what I'm saying. He was like he's like that was the opportunity of a lifetime shoot. I beat me to the punch yeah, so I'm going to make the cheapest phone. So he tells them hey, you can make a back door to these conversations. I don't I won't go to jail for anything ever. 33:09 and they're like okay, that's a pretty good deal and so the FBI is like super stoked about this, but then they realized pretty quickly like oh shoot the fourth amendment, which says you can't spy on your own people without having like a good reason to do it and like frick. We can't do this and I hate the fourth amendment and so the FBI was like that is the no context clip this so the FBI actually hate all the amendments. Actually, you know what's great about amendments? 33:39 you can dissamend them. That's right, get rid of them. I don't think we need any of them unamend all the amendments, so he so the FBI, the FBI says clip that the FBI says okay. You know what we can't we can't spy on our own people right, but you know who can China Australia Australia doesn't have a fourth amendment right. Okay, so they cop Australia and they're like yo Australia guess I'll show you 34:06 I know mate, sorry you won't believe out of habit, out of habit. He didn't even mean to he's like he's like and I mate sorry. I actually sorry about that. Do you think I who just hung up on me? Yeah, no 34:27 that was someone else. I have a recovery criminal. I just lie sorry. I just lied everybody all the time. That's my be. I'm trying to be more vulnerable about it. My name is off and also that's also a lie. I'm lying about that. I'm here's the bill. The US government says you guys can't arrest me either, so what do you guys think about spying on some American citizens and they're like 34:50 Like, Oh yeah, we've never been doing that. No, they say, they say, Hey, we've got some cool phones You guys want to try them out. We've got some laws, like we can spy on our own people, And so America's like, Frick! 35:18 and so America goes back to the drawing board and America's like why, like what? What are you talking about? Like at this point you're just trying to get info on Australians well like what do you mean shoot darn? Well, here's the deal. They the idea. The idea is we can get into infiltrate the international crime ring from Australia, okay, because it's a web like and so it's like a so they're like if this distributes outside Australia, then eventually we get into the international crime world, not just 35:46 sure Australian crime, but it starts in Australia because Australia is the one that doesn't have any protections for their citizens to be spied on at the time at the time yeah yeah, but Australia is like well, we can't pass that data to another foreign power. That's a law that we do have right and so America's like gosh dang it. So the FBI they were yeah they were they were really frustrated fifteen year old they were Rick very emotionally regulated when it comes to sleep on the map. 36:16 They pulled up the map and the FBI, and they've got colors of how many rights And they said Lithuania, hey, guess what, we've got these really sick phones. We'll set up the servers and we'll just share 36:46 was where they distributed the phones, all we're doing is passing out phones. And Lithuania's like, we don't care, to all these different nations. 37:14 process because they're like there's so many of us that are doing this. This is pretty sick. This was obvious is pretty sick. This is obviously someone of the FBI who was really hyped about this yeah and so this is clearly like two thousand this logo looks very two thousand fifteen to fourteen. This logo I honestly I would go earlier than now. I would say this looks two thousand three 37:38 no. This is like this is like for this is two thousand, that's what this is two thousand and eight, because it's got that you see that that that shine line that shine line yeah. That's a two thousand seven two thousand eight yeah. Well, I think that yeah, but this was two thousand and eighteen when the glossy everything was everything was very, you know, and so they put together just needs to make a comeback by the way. Let's change our logo. Let's make a glossy version of text that to Caleb 38:06 And so all these nations get involved is you would send your encrypted message, a copy of it would get sent to that Lithuanian server. And with that copy would be the unique IDs where they were located 38:36 just which is also something they have on you and your messages. No, because the Fourth Amendment 38:48 Yeah, they what about the Patriot Act made that possible with the NSA? I mean spying on people possible yeah, because it doesn't that doesn't that break the fourth amendment? Yeah, why would why did the Patriot Act make that work? Alice, do you know? Did they have to declare you a terrorist first? Do they have to be like that person's probably a terrorist? They have to have like reasonable cause 39:13 you know at the fourth amendment already says that right, but in the in like that time in that era two thousand six like reasonable cause was you look suspicious to us interesting. Maybe that's what the patriot act was as we just think that there's a chance that you might if you look some fish is the yeah yeah and which we know what that means yeah yeah we know what they meant they meant by that interesting well anyways so the FBI is watching all like reading all these and for a couple of years the started in twenty eighteen 39:41 And it started just in Australia. that had these phones and were communicating There were gangs, there were drug runners, like every single cloth of criminal you could think of was on these phones, using these phones 40:10 what like compiling data. They got to the point where over the course of four years they compiled twenty seven million messages of conversations on these phones related to crimes, various times back when texts weren't free, so that's crazy. No, this is twenty eighteen. Yeah, texts were free by then text for free in two thousand and eighteen. Yeah yeah. I still had to pay for minutes. No, you were I pay for minutes to last year. Shut up. No, yeah, I had those roll over. They gave them to me those orange ones 40:41 I had a handful of orange minutes. 40:45 you're talking about tick tacks. What are you saying mints? No, you're saying mints. I'm saying minutes. You're saying mints tick that you're talking about tick tacks. You saw you a orange minutes. You throw them in your mouth. Mints, yes, mints orange mints. Yeah, there's a free in a tick tack. I said to that video where that guy just called tick tack and was like hey, yeah. Are you interested in buying tick talk? 41:11 like do you work for them? No, I just think I just thought I just trying to broker a deal which honestly I love the idea where it's tick tack brought to you by tick or tick tock brought to you by tick tack is hilarious and he literally on the phone he's like he's like if you guys say no, I'm calling Kit Kat I was calling Dick sporting goods 41:38 you guys. You guys interested in Dicton 41:45 you guys could really crush on there. You could really crush it. Okay, cat tick tack. Who else could you do? Yeah, he called tick tack, kick cat. He called 42:04 yeah, I'd have to go watch it again. He called like six or seven companies on that and in that tick talk Kit Kat thought it was really funny. The lady in Kit Kat, she was well at first she was very annoyed and then she realized he's joking around. Yeah, but she was like honestly she's like. I think this makes sense. That's right. I mean that's my thing man. Is that every interaction you have could possibly end up being a viral video? So maybe just got to have better. Yeah, just to have you got to like in 42:33 be happy, don't be really so annoyed by these dudes who are like he can fill me via it with a fit check. What you got going on? If an influence or stops you on the street, I didn't know if it influences on the street to I don't know make one of their tick tocks with you just bark at them like until they run away. It'll go viral. People will love it. It'll be funny. They'll be like that barking guy. People will love it. Let's play it out to how would you bark? Let's hear how let's hear your board 43:02 I don't know how many I don't know how many barks it would that is so gen ex coated that it's not even what that's so yeah pretty that's a fifty year old man thing to do to be like I was a bar get some how is that man can I can I ask you you would be a video for for tick tock real quick? 43:32 and you're like. Both of you are insane in that scenario. There's neither one of you leaves that scenario being like I'm a person. No, you leave that scenario being like I've been destroyed by the internet. My life has been up ended. Any attachment I had to reality is gone because of what the internet has brought into my life. 43:54 he brought so much pain and suffering into my life that I'm now divorce for reality. The point where I am barking at a child on the side of the road in the Glendale Galleria 44:15 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tilen topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 44:41 I like 45:07 Okay, but for real, for real in the comments, tell us what's weirder, barking at someone or doing those TikTok videos. Oh. 45:17 I think it's more normal than and then you end up watching a thing called like bark coin or whatever and then you sell all of it insider trade turns out that's a legal. Nobody told me that you're in jail. You're barking at all the prisoners, but they bark back so it's a little oh yeah they bark back. All I've been looking for all my life is some of the bark back and I found them in prison. Who would have thought no so 45:45 The FBI is watching all these chats, right? And they're not getting involved with any of them. They're just compiling data. Yeah. Until Lithuania sees one and they realize, or no, I think it was Sweden. Sweden sees one and they realize, oh, this is an assassin that has actual intent and it looks like it's actually going to go off. Okay. So it was a guy who owned a coffee shop. He had a feud with another guy, didn't realize that guy was a criminal and that criminal was like, I'm going to hire an assassin to kill him. 46:14 Oh, that's another fear dude yeah is that like there's two possible scenarios that could happen to you yeah okay. One you could end up in a viral video on accident. You know person you have an interaction with a huge fire or two. You could accidentally fight someone who is a criminal yeah. You know you could flip someone off in traffic and then that person's a mob boss and suddenly you have no idea and he's got a grenade in his center console. 46:38 well he's a great across the street that he goes across the street and gets and then throws it into your car. Sorry, no a car hit the grenade. It wasn't yeah into you had nothing to do with the into the closed window of your car. That was purely coincidentally had nothing to do with the good. I just happened to be in the area as lawyer. 47:02 as lawyer will take it from here. Yeah, and the lawyer is like see. Look at this. No, yeah, look, you can't see anything. I'm a claymation 47:12 So the Swedish government sees this and the Swedes are like oh no, we need to get involved. Oh no, and so they call the guy yeah and they say hey, are you this coffee shop guy and he's like well, I have a name but that's okay yeah and they're like a column and he's like Starbucks and they're like hey, did you take someone off this week? I take someone off every day. It's kind of a thing. 47:36 have you ever heard of customers? I'm actually insufferable, so there's a lot of the work really it's kind of on brand for us. We're a coffee shop. We were supposed to be pompous and make everyone feel inferior yeah yeah. Oh, one of them wants to kill me. Oh okay, and how do you know that? How do you know yeah? Oh by breaking my fourth amendment rights. I've never heard of the fourth amendment yeah, so they tell him hey by the way someone's going to try to kill you tomorrow. You should call in sick and so he doesn't go and 48:05 the guy shows the assassin shows up can't find them. He survives, but they obviously don't say how they got that information, so they protect this guy and this happens a handful of times. He goes in the next day, though, and if you don't say like is someone if somebody calls you and says hey don't go into work tomorrow, pretend to be sick. How many sick days do you take? Yeah, how many say hey someone calls you and says hey 48:31 How many sick days you got? You know what you should take them all hey. You should take a sick day tomorrow because someone's plan are coming to your place of work and killing you. You know what I'll do you on better. I quit. I quit. I'm really never going back moving yeah. Can I go into witness protection or something like that? We should do more. You guys had that we had a sweetish and then hung up one day of work and you go home to your wife and you go. Hey, I can't go to work tomorrow. The Swedes called me and she's like 49:00 uh excuse me and she's like you're saying this because you want to go to the lake with Tim and go fish. That's what you're doing. You just want to spend time with your codependent mess for friendship. It's very weird how close you guys are yeah. It is weird to be close with someone who was trying to record a podcast. You know that scene in modern where Phil what's what's his name? 49:29 No, the grandma cam, J J Pritchett is his last name. I kept wanting to say Pritchett. I was like, that's not a first name where he wanted to go to fishing or he was wanting to go out on the boat and I like for his birthday and no one would go with him. Yeah. And then Manny put the boat in the pool. That was the best thing I've ever seen that show. Here's the thing. It shows don't do like heartwarming stuff like that anymore. Yeah. My heart was so warm. 49:57 I've never I don't know. Oh really it was a dad. I just watch it. I was just like a man. He's favorite episode of modern family is when Manny takes like a four hour nap and then J Gloria and little Joe have a picnic in the backyard man. He wakes up. It was the backyard. He's like you guys had a picnic without me. 50:26 What's crazy is that you can see that. That makes sense, that's totally a scene. 50:34 yeah. What am I talking about? Okay, so I don't know for years about modern family. How you suddenly have feelings for the first time in your entire life. Do you know whenever all I wanted to do the internet has broken my brain so much. I'm talking strangers that are trying to have a gallery and all I ever wanted to do is have my heart feel warm. That's it. I wanted to feel something, so I watched 50:58 television that was created ten years ago, and I watch episodes that came out a long time ago, and now I watch them on Hulu because it's commercial free and I use my best friend's account to do that. Sometimes I go I go hey, why am I paying for Hulu? You're just mooching off of me, even though it's his account and I forgot because I have dementia and I'm not even on your and the only reason I'm this sentimental 51:24 Anyways, so here's the deal. All this crime, they're watching the crime happen. Yeah, they're not getting involved except for a select cases where they think people are like gonna like die sure and when those situations happen, they get involved, but they're very careful not to like blow, yeah, but it's this thing's ballooning up and there's so many criminals involved in it now that is starting to become a little bit difficult to manage. All this comes to a head on June, 51:54 okay, twenty, twenty one because Lithuania's court order that allowed them to run those servers came to an edge, and so Lithuania called up all these countries. Now there's all those countries in that picture and it's like hey guys conference call real quick, and so they jump on a Google meet and the Thwani is like hey, can you jump on a call real quick great hey, can you go great one at a time yeah, so Lithuania is like okay, 52:21 Australia, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, America. Now that you're all here, I got to let you know we've got to turn the servers off. So sorry, I should have told you this earlier and so and everyone's like 52:39 okay yeah, what is the rest of exactly so like okay tomorrow is the mass arrest and so they all put together their operations for everyone that they've got data on and that next day, June, eight eight hundred search and seizures were conducted. Eight hundred arrests happened and as a result, ready for this list sure forty tons of drugs were seized, which was 53:08 over eight tons of cocaine, twenty two tons of cannabis, six tons of synthetic drug precursor, half of it being cannabis is kind of like all right, yeah, it kind of takes away. You know, two times, watch like shows like Brooklyn nine nine in the early episodes like they arrest a guy for smoking weed in his apartment. Yeah, you know, and now when you see that kind of stuff, you're just like it aged it so like oh, you know what the worst is 53:38 is the Bates Motel series. Did you watch that now the base motel series? One of the story plots in that is that he stumbles across this hidden operation that's running this weed farm? Oh yeah yeah, and it's like this huge field where they're secretly growing all this marijuana yeah, and it's like now you watch it and you're like yeah, yeah, so anyway half of this list being cannabis is kind of like okay yeah well and then also two hundred and fifty guns. 54:07 fifty five luxury cars, forty eight million dollars in various currencies and then of course the eight hundred arrests. It was the biggest sting operation in history in general and obviously involved the most right nations out of any sting operation. This was just Spain, just the country of Spain. This was their seizure man. Police departments love these loop. They love them. They love them and then 54:33 Here's a map of all the countries that their phones got into. got involved in this at some point. immediately after all these arrests on June 8th, police, like federal police agencies from all the different 55:01 agencies to be in one room together being like, And they just went public with it. and we've got them all. Here's the problem. 55:21 All of these court cases have been going on for years. Many of them have been delayed. And what has come up time and time again in these cases is two things. One, they are having a hard time linking these conversations back to the individuals that were arrested. And so they know that the ID was their ID, but they have no reason that they can say that that was that person that they arrested's ID. 55:51 And so the evidence while they've got all this evidence from the conversation, they're like is it's not a miss a part in court because we can't connect it to this person. Second, that's like whenever I got hit and run and then I went back to the place where it happened and I saw that car in the parking lot and I called the Kansas City police and I was like, hey, I got the car that hit me right here and then the car, the police shows up and I haven't talked to the person whose card is yet, but I'm sure I've got our cars next to each other and I go, look, here's the scratch all across my 56:21 back in his mind, look at the scratch on their car, this added up and he goes, it's not enough. We can't do anything. That's crazy. And I was like, you, what do you mean? You can't do anything. He's like, yeah, we can't do anything. And then with your report, yeah, like as a witness, I was like, what are you talking about? Like this is clearly the car that hit me. He goes, he goes, that won't stand. It's not enough. It won't. It won't. That's crazy. We would have to have footage of them hitting you. Yeah. And I was like, what? So really, if you're getting a hit run, I had to go inside 56:50 to the guy and be like hey, you hit me last night. He's like no, I never left the bar and I said ha ha ha be careful. What else you say? Ha ha because you clearly don't remember when you left the bar and drove away in a not straight line yeah yeah, but you did hit me and then he was like oh, I mean I'm sorry it gave me his insurance, but had he not yeah, so now I'm just gonna start hitting people yeah it's wild. It's one of those it's a it's a double edged sword because obviously like you want to have like those sorts of things are protections. 57:19 for people we got to hurry up, but okay, cheese just wasted so much time with the intro. I sat on a joke for like forty minutes. Fun payoff, so what were you saying about hitting? I don't know whatever man, so the second thing is this is like one of my steps son put the boat in the pool. It's really good. It's really good gesture, but the chlorine started to eat the paint 57:49 it's also a big boat. It's a pontoon. It's was bigger than the pool. I don't know why scratch the heck out of the side of my boat dude and we don't even have a pull. It's just a hot tub. It's a lateable hot 58:05 well, it was inflatable pop my inflatable hot thanks happy birthday to me. Am I right? Thanks dude, this made everything so much. You only does no one of this. I want to hang out with me, but I'm also surrounded by idiots. Tell your steps. You owe me a hot. You actually owe me. I'm going to bill you for that 58:28 No, so the second problem I was in your mom because of you. I met her great met you. She and I'll tell you what I'll be honest with you. She hit the fact that she was a mom for the first two years to years dude. 58:50 and then I met you. You couldn't. You were three years old and I knew you were a piece of crap. This kid I love her so much, but that kid sucks. This guy stings. Okay, so second guy second thing was a lot of these nations that were collecting this data like 59:16 technically this weird web. It was legal for the data to pass yeah, but it wasn't legal in like a court system, and so it's like they're yeah like you can technically gather this effort, but it's not admissible in a court of law right, so all these cases are getting thrown out yeah, so yeah, you got this this evidence is not legal yeah, so one yes, the biggest sting operation any country or has ever commenced. 59:40 the only sting operation that has involved this many nations in cooperation with each other. The biggest single day arrest spree the world has ever seen and the largest Caesar by far, but the majority of the people that they arrested their cases or their charges are getting dropped right. So can you call it successful? Probably not, but was it kind of pretty cool? You can call the crime successful, the crime, the crime was successful. The most successful part of it is Afu doesn't have to go to jail. 01:00:10 like he he is the he's the genius in this whole thing. He got out of guy all of his possible. You wanted to do four years of work that will amount to absolutely nothing and let me off the hook for all of my crimes, including murder, any crimes committed or that I will commit that I will commit like maybe in the future. I commit some more cause honestly I don't know what else I'm going to do in my life. Once saved always say 01:00:38 so yeah, that's a accepted forgiveness one time. I'm good. No, you can't do this. I prayed in six grade. You can't arrest me. Oh come to the bureau. All my crimes are wiped away. I feel like this is blast for me. It's not it's a it's okay song anyways. All right, I've had enough of this. That's operation, Georgia shield. 01:01:07 you can fiddle that guy off. Oh, I had more to say say it. 01:01:20 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of things. I learned last night. 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