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00:00 Hey, this is things I learned last night, a comedy podcast where I teach this guy about stuff today. We're learning about Dr. Bronner. So Dr. Bronner soap is a soap bottle with 3000 words, a manifesto, if you will. Dr. Bronner, not a real doctor escaped Nazi Germany, came to the United States, sold his soap and this crazy life message. So the soap and a dream. Yeah. Don't worry about coming to my shows this month because Easter is super late. Easter is April 20th and like I don't do any shows the month of Easter because churches don't do anything. So 00:29 We're just hanging out all they do is Easter. If you want to support what I'm doing, you can listen to this podcast more and support us on Patreon by myself. 00:39 Can we put soap on our store? Do we need to check? I think we can. I can we sell. So anyway, here's the episode. 00:49 Hey man, hey, what's up, dude, geez, hey man, I yeah, what's oh yeah, you're right. Okay, hey man, have you ever heard of dr Bronner dr Bronner dr Bronner? Okay, not to be confused with dr Bronzer. I was just gonna make that joke thing. It yeah, it's great hand kind of sewer. I'm not gonna lie that thing where like you know how 01:12 it was this the tanning beds thing. Yep, yep, Where people would put like a little shape or something. Yes, I did that in high school or in middle school. Well, maybe it was high school. I did the Batman log on my chest. 01:34 I hate that, but it was like it was. had that WD J D necklace and so it got seared into my skin. It's still there, actually there yeah okay. Anyways, here's the deal. If you look at look at this guy and tell me he doesn't look like he might be a spray tan guy. Oh yeah, yeah, he looks like he's manually doing this spray tan bed. This is a real picture. 02:03 This is not like someone made this out of a bag. All right, so the background is space. This has nothing to do with space. I mean potentially I'm going to be honest with you. There's something I'm going to read later, but this guy's got the big goggles for audio listeners. He's got the big black goggles like it'd be like if you drew a mad scientist. It is very like holding hydrogen peroxide for some reason. What's he gotten? Yeah, here he is. Here he is again. Yeah, did. Wait, did he create and then we've got another one. 02:32 okay, he looks like a bond veal and dude. Honestly, those sunglasses are pretty freaking sick. Wait, what was the last picture? What's he holding soap? All right, he's got a lot of it yeah. I'll you what he doesn't have a lot of body. doesn't have a lot of body. That was so he's so skinny and scrawny doesn't have a lot of body on him. Yeah, it's a nice nice soap little body okay. 02:59 So this guy, Dr. Bronner, I'm not even going to bury the lead on it. He came up with, I shouldn't say came up with like invented or I guess, yeah, invented Dr. Bronner soap, which you probably guessed given his name. These are their soaps. You might have seen these around. They're kind of like, it's like hippie soap. Okay. And so here I'll show you what the here's what the bottle looks like. Just an insane wall of text. He'll soul and the 03:29 the the soap bottle is covered with these messages okay of like it's like a sermon almost, but it's not like oh like his soap cures depression. I saw yeah that on serious. Go back to that image. The look depression, the silent killer. I see him saying that from back. Okay, you get your eyes fixed dude. Okay, so you get you see this this column over here far left. There's post traumatic stress. 03:59 What substance use end of life anxiety? So this here I can read it to you. I can read it to you. I have the whole transcription pulled up over here. This guy, what he has like this, like I don't know even what to call it. It's called 18 and one hemp peppermint pure cast style soap. So it's like it's like very stereotypical, like hippy soap is like what when you say hippy, do you mean like 04:29 What do mean? 04:32 like super natural L M kind of crap. No, it's all no, it's super natural. You can only get it at like natural grocers, that kind of vibe and like everything. There's like no parabens, like only like seed oils and hemp and like all the like natural ingredients now. Oh, whatever. Okay, they know seed oils then so it's just got oregano in it. Yeah, just a hundred percent pure oregano wash my hands and liquid oregano liquefied. 05:00 Yeah, that works, but this bottle my contact solution this bottle. I don't think we'll read the whole thing in this just read the headlines, but I'll read some of the headlines, so it starts out real subtle at the top real. So it says the second coming of God's law and then it goes through and it kind of talks about his teachings. 05:22 and the ABCs of mankind Christ or Doctor Bron Dr Bronner okay, and so he's got these moral ABCs and they're supposed. It says these are the moral ABCs. They're supposed to unite okay, all of us. It says six billion strong be kind. I don't think you know 05:44 and so here's there's a list of the what is this? Eighteen ABCs, and it's so here it says. Let's see what I was a good. What's a good one to start with? A shark can only love its friends lacking frontal lobes. It must avoid avoid fear, smear, hate, slander, 06:13 dominate, dictate, distort, destroy anything that it does not know, understand or disagrees with. That's a shark. But a human being possessing the kingdom of God's law, the ASEAN moral ABCs of the free within his frontal lobes and worked hard to teach his friends and enemies the moral ABCs. Otherwise that being is not yet human. Do you remember I told a story on this podcast one time 06:39 of the guy at my Starbucks who told me he can summon the lightning with his feelings. This sounds like the book that he was writing. You know saying like this is the kind of stuff that he would be like, I'm re you know, he would always have these gigantic books on the table. Yeah, that he's like writing. He's doing this writing and this is what I imagine he's writing where he says sharks can only be friends with loners. Sharks are actually like 07:07 I'm a shark typing and then he puts it all in a chat. He we T he goes, hey, remove the weird stuff about me being a shark and then like that's how it gets to the good nuggets. You know, a lot of people don't know that, but the sort of amount actually is that 07:31 Here's another one. Here's another good one. It says he who risks his life teaching friend and enemy. The moral ABCs uniting all mankind free wins eternal life. He who does less than that perishes by half truth strife like that. That one rhymes yeah. This soap brand what dr Bronner says out loud a lot is that he does a minute shush. Hold on 08:00 It says it. It says help heal PTSD, depression, end of life, anxiety and addiction. Yeah. Who knew you don't need a 12 step program? You need to use this soap. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Okay, so he constantly said that the point of his soap is not to sell soap. 08:30 It's not like he's selling soap and then he's like, I got this room on the label to get my message out there. His point of selling soap is to get his message out there. says, oh, I can, everybody needs soap. And so he's like, I could sell soap to anyone. And then while they're in the shower. 08:49 they can look down and see this label and I can look assisted therapy was recently granted breakthrough designation by the FDA for use in treating PTSD and major depressive disorder. 09:03 this guy's promoting shrooms. I can't believe you can read that from here. Is this about shrooms? I mean shrooms are adjacent. This is a shrooms adjacent topic. This is a lot of there's a lot of adjacencies to this topic actually sure. So Dr Bronner, he was born a manual Bronner and 19 oh date 19 oh eight in hell, the brawn hellebron 09:33 how he'll hail brahn, hail brahn. I'm sure it matters a lot in Germany. He is of Jewish descent and his families or his family owned a soap shop in their hometown. They made Castile soap, which is like a special kind of soap that's made special, special kind of soap that's made from olive oil and it's supernatural and it dates back to like 10:02 The time fifties yeah, no, it dates back like genuinely like to the beginning of time. Yeah, like in and the Levant. You know where that is pop quiz. Where is it? France close now like the Middle East and so everything's Middle East. His family like it's like a family recipe that's been passed down for generations making this soap and they sold this open their store. He 10:30 Obviously grew up around it, grew up learning how to make this soap, but he wasn't like, I want to be a soap man. Like that wasn't his thing. He didn't want to be a soap boy. Soap boy. And he had, uh, what's the word I use? I want to, I want to make a musical. I want to make a soap opera. 10:53 someone just so know, in our new studio, the other side of this wall is somebody in a counseling session. There's a perfect like a licensed professional counselor has the next room over win. Choose that that's not our fault, but somebody somebody's going through a divorce on the other side of this wall and 11:19 And we're making silver operating. We're ruining their place of musical. You know, did because the counselor is going through divorces and so it's like someone's going to divorce here and we're ruining their business. 11:33 I see what I did there. I see what you did there. Yeah, it really sucks that if like if you're a counselor and then the person that you're counseling, they're telling you about their problems and you're like, I wish I wish this was my wish. was my freaking problem. You're like your life is so much worse and you're like, that sounds really bad. I wish you had that sounds oh gosh. Yeah, but anyway, there's a counselor on the other side of that wall. He had differing 12:02 political opinions from his family and he had one nine to eight at this point. He's going to be what I mean he's going to be a kid when World War one is happening, but World War two runs around. He's in his thirties. He's an adult and he had pretty strong opinions about what was going on in the world because he's from Germany. Which where did he? He was very anti Nazi, but his parents were. I don't want to say sympathetic because they weren't, but they were, they were saying like they were 12:31 behaving as though it was all going to be okay. They were like it's they were they were just saying hey, this is all going to blow over. It's not going to be a big deal and at the end of the day we have to a lot of people did yeah. They said we have to put the sign on our door because if not, we have to shut our business down. Yeah. Yeah. And so like and the manual, I mean we just got to, we're just doing what we to do to get by and then it'll all be over one day and exactly. And so a manual argued with his parents all the time about this for years. 12:59 they didn't get the message eventually he moves to the States. He sees what's coming. He moves to the States and their relationship kind of deteriorated in the process. They had so many arguments about it. Like they kind of stopped talking to each other when he left or shortly before he left. And this experience was a formative experience for a manual obviously. And as that story, well, the last thing, 13:28 he ever heard from his dad was a letter he received that said, you were right. Cause they ended up getting picked up and they died in gas chambers, both of his parents. And this experience- Incredibly sad. Yeah, incredibly difficult experience and a painful experience for him and created this, I think he had this like worldview before, but this- 13:52 catapulted it and made it like a really strong thing for him. Sure. And so when he gets to the States, he's looking for something to do. He knows how to make that would break anybody. Oh, I think so too. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And so he's living in the States. He needs to find something to do to make a living. He knows how to make soap. So he starts making soap and just selling. So yes, but he's still like, in. Imagine 2025 being like soap for sale. So 14:20 You know, I mean, I guess there's people who do. There's one lady at the farmers market by our house who sells some kind of thing in a jar. I forget. Oh, you know what it was? It was a jam. It was a jam. It's something in a jar. It's a jar. It's jam. You know how much each jar of jam is? What? $28. It's our game. Yeah. Well, that jam better pay my rent because you ain't 14:51 Hehehe! 14:54 when you think my landlord listens to this. Your landlord doesn't listen to this to know you don't pay your Actually, I don't think they would notice, to be honest. There was one month where I only paid half of it. No, because, okay, because the way that the... It was an accident. No, was with Zelle, you have a daily limit and my rent is more than the daily limit. So I had to two. It's so annoying. But anyway, so I forgot to pay the other half on time. But then half of the month I texted, was like, sorry, if I to do that. And I sent it and they were like, all right, cool. 15:25 Why are you? I was like thing. I shouldn't have done. I should have just not left it just yeah, because got sixty something properties. You're not keeping track. I have no idea what's going on here. Interest. So that's why I quit paying. That's why I stopped and they haven't noticed yet yet. You're going to fly over one day and you're going to be honestly though. What's the worst is going to happen? Yeah. The worst thing is you get evicted. Yeah, and I'll start selling my jams. Yeah, you start selling jams outside the farmers market. 15:56 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 16:08 We do monthly hangouts. do. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:40 Connor, he started selling soaps for a living and kind of the same thing you were saying. Like he was just going outside stores and just like you guys want to buy some soap farmers, Mark, just had a box, a soap, a soap box and he would just hand out the so jacket and then some soap or and then but he was still passionate about his worldviews and so he would take a soap around and he'd sell soap and then he would stand on the street corner and stand up on his soap box and yell out his and preach. is this what 17:08 I'm pretty sure this is where I like tried to figure out if this is where it comes from, but I'm, think so. I can't find any verification for sure, but he in like the mid and this would be the forties was standing on a soap box, soap box corner and preaching his, his message, his beliefs to the streets and it started to catch on and it became something that was spreading like wildfire around the country. His beliefs about the ABCs and morality and essentially and it's kind of wild. 17:37 for him to believe what he believes because he had seen really the worst of humanity, like first hand. But he still believes that all people are fundamentally good. And that's his message. And his message is we're all fundamentally good and we should people are not fundamentally good. 18:00 Yeah, yeah, they're not jam session is a bad name for things. I agree. There are so many more people who suck than people who don't and that's what you need to learn about the world. That was his point was all people are fundamentally good. They just need to be taught how to be good. No, sometimes the all people are fundamentally bad and so he was teaching you agree with that. you believe that? I don't know. All people are fundamentally bad fundamentally bad. Yeah, I don't know. I believe I think I think 18:29 I think everybody's fundamentally good, but I think everybody's also fundamentally, or I think it's more likely for people to behave selfishly, and then they do things that harm other people because they're being selfish. And so it leads to those places, but I don't think their nature, I don't know if I would say their nature is fundamentally bad. Interesting. Jesus would disagree. 18:59 anyways, so he would go, I just say he would go and he would start at a baseline that we all suck that we're all bad. Then that is the baseline of the gospel not to be preachy hour here. Well, call on into eight three three four truth and we'll put you on air. I mean, if we're getting if we're going to get technical, we were all fundamentally good, but then there was the fall 19:27 because evil entered into our hearts. we're not, no, we're fundamentally good, but we're broken. And because of that brokenness, and so God restores us to our foundation, which is fundamentally good. We're going to be really technical. Well, that's what I'm wondering. That's what I was asking. I don't know. One of us has a theology degree and the other one still follows Jesus. So what do you want from me? know? Anyways, I pray for you every day. 19:56 is okay. Do you want to repent on this podcast? Get out of here. We get a whole episode about remote viewing and I don't know if you guys know this, that Tim hasn't repented for doing that, so that's why his finances are bad. 20:13 Yeah, God cursed me for it. Dr. Broder would stay on the street preaching and his message started to spread like wildfire across the country and a bunch of people started to really believe this stuff. And he kind of had this really loyal following people who were pretty committed to his soaps, but also more committed to his message. And so much so that I believe it was in New York, let me see, Chicago. 20:43 In Chicago, in 1946, there was a man who, I guess, believed in the message so much, he wanted to like, I guess as a form of protest maybe for the way things were functioning in our country and to like show like, this is the way we should live our lives. He decided I, stay with me for second, I'm going to crucify myself. 21:11 And so he set up a cross on the street corner and he had someone legitimately crucify him, like nail him to a cross. And he had like a sign that he was he had a sign that he put up basically like in support of the moral ABCs. And he was like, and I, I don't understand the way his brain got there, but he did it. And the police, got him down. ended up surviving. They showed up and they said, get that guy out of here. And they 21:41 you know, pulled it, pull him down and he said no, I'm gonna, I don't know how that happened, but he survives and aside by crucifixion is in that same nuts. I don't know if he was trying to die. I don't, I, I don't know if he was trying to die, but he wanted to be crucified to send a message and I don't know what the message, what elements of this message are that 22:11 like what are the key? There's not an obvious connection. There's not an obvious connection. Okay, this message to crucify yourself. It was someone who was following it. That was like I really believe in this. Okay, I'm going to take a stand. I think I'll crucify. So what do they believe in? What are the ABCs then the more ABCs? It's it's what I was reading from the thing earlier. It's it's that all people are fundamentally good. Sharks are fundamentally bad. Don't be a shark. You know stuff like that. Yeah, 22:37 and this guy was like sharks are bad ting ting ting. is this is this is the soap opera. Sharks are bad ting ting ting, because now it's now as other hand. you're right. It's like what am I going to got to choreograph this thing? I definitely mess that up in his mouth out wow, so he 23:05 he survives, but now all of a sudden a lot of like people associate this with fanatics. Well yeah and they and they think Bronner is teaching people to do this stuff. So Bronner gets on like a government like a hot seat kind of yeah it's like it's like oh you're causing trouble and so they end up actually yeah that's true admitting him into a mental hospital, dr Bronner dr Bronner and so he ends up in the Elgin mental health center, which is an Elgin Illinois outside Chicago just there Illinois. 23:34 outside. Well, yeah, what you call it Egan, why'd you bring that up and he spent great show by the way? Thanks for asking. I did. I'm sure I asked you. We talk all the time and one of the things I ask most commonly was how was the show? We don't talk all the time. First of all, our wives would disagree with that. I do feel like sometimes you're just at your house and you're like ha ha ha and I you're not even on the phone. You just think we're talking 24:04 and like because Breeze called me and she's like are you in the phone with Tim right now and I'm like no, I'm kayaking and she's like what he ever I acted your life when we're not talking on the phone me and that's what I'm saying. I think you're either talking to somebody else or you're talking to yourself. Am I do you exist? Can you edit me out just like fade away? We'll just take a solid shot at the end of this and I just just talking 24:33 I'm just sitting here being like, do you, do you see him? Do you see this guy? Cause I do. There's somebody here. So he's at this mental health center here and this is 46. And so this is when mental health was not good. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you sneezed wrong, they were just like, you're good. We're going to kill you. We're to put you on so many meds. Yeah. Is that what they did? They put them on meds. They put them on all kinds of meds and then they put them on shock therapy. 25:00 And when he got on shock therapy, he actually, this is also the stuff that like people are, that wasn't that long ago. I know it's crazy. It's crazy. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bonkers. Cause yeah, like our grandparents were alive when this stuff was happening. Yeah. That's hard to, it's sometimes when you think about it, cause the history books put them all in black and white. 25:26 so that way like distances us from it. Yeah, I saw some other day. You know the Rosa Parks died in two thousand five yeah yeah, but it seems they they make it seem like it's so oh yeah. That was a long time ago, but it was pretty recent. That's because they're really they're embarrassed. They're ashamed of how right was they really did it yeah, but anyway, so the shock treatment had a pretty bad effect on him. It actually made him blind, so that's why he's wearing the really cool sunglasses. Oh, he's because he's blind. 25:54 so you let me make fun of a blind guy for the first five minutes of the episode. I didn't let you make fun of him. You thought he looked. I said he looks like he's inside the standing bed booth. I said he looks like an evil scientist and then you reveal later by the way that guy's blind just a blind. All right, 26:24 so I sock dude, he's just one make fun of a blind guy. I almost said that about those glasses. How do you see through those? Those are pretty, you know, he does it. He doesn't need to 26:43 ha, holy the bad friend dude so funny well and he got shot because he took his eyes for granted. did take his eyes for granted. 26:56 and so after the shock therapy started, it's crazy. He actually escaped from the health center and so he got out and he hitchhiked to Los Angeles. Okay, he restarted his soap company in Los Angeles, in Los Angeles from Chicago, from Chicago. Yeah, and this was the what is this the fifties the fifty sure, so that was like prime time for hitchhiking. Oh, hitchhiking was what I was thinking. Well, I mean you because people were road trip 27:25 That's true. Yeah, people were road tripping and people were just too trusting back then. You know yeah, we didn't know about serial killers yet. Yeah, true crime hadn't started yet. Yeah, that's I mean I would have had happened. Yeah, true crime had happened, but it wasn't like sure a form of media that people can see. Yeah, yeah, I wonder at what point people started with like realizing it's like the seventies later, seventies people started to be like. yeah, that's when all the planes started crashing. Huh? When all planes started crashing, what do you talk? What? Well, in the seventies, all the planes started crashing 27:54 and so people started realizing oh it's a dangerous world out there. Oh and the tv was like oh people really like watching tragedy and then they were like let's find more tragedy. I don't know dude you're one that's hurting a bunch of tragedy on tv and then everybody freaked out and then the lead was in the air and then everyone's brain was in the air. He's man okay so he hicks to Los Angeles and restarts his soap company sure and so he still wants to get his message out to the world. 28:24 but he realized oh, I mean that was dangerous apparently yeah, and so he starts just printing it on the soap bottle sure and obviously and for him the way he spoke to his employees was we are not selling the soap. The soap is a vehicle yeah for the message yeah we're using this to get the message out to the world and they end up growing selling tracks essentially essentially to his beliefs yeah and so they had 28:54 grown this company to a multi-million dollar company. It was like a very successful company. He lives out the rest of his life being a quirky dude. Like obviously he's taking pictures like this intentionally. the soap, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so like he's just kind of a quirky business owner, does business very differently. Yeah, he does business a lot different than most business owners, has a lot of success throughout his life, ends up passing the company onto his son, 29:23 his son passes it on to his sons who go by the names David and Michael. Those are their birth names. They go by David and Michael Michael's the president and his brother David when Michael became the president, he became the president in twenty fifteen. Okay, he when he became the president, he promoted his brother to the title of CEO, which is not the CEO you're thinking of. 29:52 It's actually Cosmic Engagement Officer. 30:06 and they there two rolls. You see the life leave from my body. If we could just like I don't know in slow mo that just like the cosmic engagement officer, you can literally see me go okay. There are two roles are very like they could not be more 30:25 different. I yeah it's kind like what we do for the business. You do all the business and then I do all the energy stuff, the energy stuff. Actually, that's really a bring in the vibe. I'm just here for the vibes man. Oh yeah, that's our cosmic engagement officer. You put that on your taxes 30:44 you know, say I mean he probably has to. I think that is that a thing you can choose on linked in. think he, I think he has when you're signing up for Google Workspace and it says which position are you in the company? Do you choose cosmic engagement officer? Yeah, that's what he does. They the brothers, they run this company together and they are they are like they are actually running the company right right, but they there are two roles are very different and I'm going to I'm going to show you 31:13 there are photos you're going to know who they are. This one is Michael Michael obvious president. Yes this one is David. 31:28 This is what my grandma means when she says those people. 31:38 you know, I'm talking about yeah, yeah, my grandma has with my grandma's rush limbaugh filled nightmares are full of this guy, that's it. So he's the cosmic. If you're an audio listener, imagine the biggest stereotype you can think of for a Portland barista. You know I'm saying like literally like think. No, I'm not even joking. Yeah, you're listening. You're like oh, he'd be wearing 32:07 cat ears. You're right, you're right and you're wearing peacock pants. You're right. I fingernails painted, which there's nothing wrong with being this person yeah yeah exactly exactly, but he yeah he's living all the shirt. is wrong is being this person and making more money than me. That is wrong. You know that's what's wrong and so that's what I get mad. So they split it up here. Here they are with their mom who 32:36 is the daughter of yeah and his mom made him wear that normal shirt for their pictures yeah yeah and so their roles they're split. They Michael obviously is running the business and then and then and then David is just sprinkling oregano over a little board, a picture of the business and going. David's job is to help make sure they 33:03 maintain the identity of the business that their grandfather started and so like it's the activism is that's another thing. You could have a really good vision for your life and then you could have a weird grand kid. You know I'm saying like you pass down your life's work and then he's like hello and you're like that's not what I talking like that. 33:27 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. 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It's actually really hard to not join it so 34:27 So David continues the legacy when they when their grandfather passed on the company, it got to a point where the label now has three thousand words on it and they had they've had to change it to five point five font to fit everything on that label. Did you find a bottle of this somewhere? I have not now here's a picture of one. You couldn't go out of your way to try to find this. Okay, what do you think I've got nothing to do? Yeah, you don't have a kid yet, but 34:58 he can he's continuing the the energy and trying to keep this like the activism front and center for sure. And so for example in during the war on drugs, I should say this is late war on drugs. This is mid two thousands. Okay, okay. Marijuana was obviously legacy. Marijuana was obviously illegal and that's by proxy. Hemp was also illegal. 35:26 and they used hemp in a lot of their product products. Okay. And so in protest, David went to the D.A. the like national D.A. headquarters and planted hemp seeds in their front lawn. You got arrested for this. Hold on. This picture. Why does he look just like the QAnon shaman? 35:52 you know who I'm talking about. I don't know who that is. You know exactly who that is. January six, the guy that wore the buffalo head thing. Oh no, I mean they do look. They do like vaguely similar, but they don't pull that picture back up. He looks like no, no, does not here. I'll show you him. Okay, I don't know if we could. I we might get demonetized for putting this guy's picture up here. So here's him yeah and then here is that guy. It's a different guy. 36:22 Very clearly a different guy. Well, yeah, because you got the face paint and the but you see what I'm saying, though, right? You see what I'm saying. don't see it at all. You don't see it at all. I don't see that at all. All right. Yeah, do not. But yeah, so he plants the hemp seeds in that. I'm just saying those are like literally like the stereotypical of each side. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they are the person to me. I mean, I guess that's fair. Yeah. So you got he got arrested for this. 36:51 he also rest of her planting him yeah, because it was possession possession of illegal substance and then also planting still legal substances on the de. Oh, I was just being Johnny Hemp Seed got arrested. He also got arrested for showing up on also shout out to the dea for only being open Tuesday through Friday from ten a.m. to four p.m. 37:18 yeah, that's pretty funny. He also went to capitol time. They wake up in the morning, get to work on time, capital l and he caged himself with a bun with four twenty a. That's what time they wake up at four twenty a. You're right. He caged himself. I think it was on Capitol Hill with just a bunch of marijuana way over the limit and so I'm already in jail, so they're in a prison of my own making, so they had to cut him out with the jaws of life and then arrested him. 37:47 And so Michael has this joke he says a lot. says, you know, he said, travel a lot for work. go around the company. The company is now a hundred million dollar company. And it's like, we're all over the country all the time, like doing business deals and things like that. And he says, when I travel, I like to stay at like a nice hotel. When my brother travels, he likes to stay at jail. 38:07 but it's kind of true. He does a lot of these protests and he gets he gets booked a lot and that's kind of like you know that's the vibe that they got. That's the business that they like to run is a business where one of them gets arrested and I'm just taking care of business and he is a felon. So what are you in for? I'm here for business. You're on a business trip. Oh, do you know the Wi-Fi password? Yeah, 38:37 getting arrested and asking the guard, what's the Wi-Fi password? So not only are they like kind of radical with their activism, but they're radical with the way they treat their employees. 38:53 they have a me. They're spiking the coffee shrooms every morning. Yeah. What if we just end right there the radical, how they treat their employees? No, they they were really early to providing like health care and dental and all that stuff to their place. They were early to that game, but their health care package. I don't know exactly what it is, but I did see a like a documentary about their company and in the documentary, their their H R rep 39:22 for them said, we actually, every year when we renew our health package, the healthcare providers that we use say, hey, no one else does anything like this. Are you sure you want to do this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, we just provide so much in terms of healthcare for our people. Sure. They also cover all 100 % of childcare, but then probably one of the most significant things that they do 39:52 is they cap salaries for leadership five to one. And so their leadership team can only make five times the lowest earning person on the team. And see, that doesn't make any sense to me because as the CEO, chief executive, chief, Oh, I thought you meant not cosmic astronaut or whatever, engage as the CEO. It's not that I'm managing the company. 40:18 Yeah, it's God's company. Oh my God, I'm just mad. I'm just yeah. So you're going to take all that money from God. So what are you calling God greedy? You haven't seen that Dave Ramsey clip. Yeah, so if so, if for sake of now you're calling God greedy, I freaking hate that guy. All right, so for sake of easy math, if the lowest 40:43 paid employee on your team is making fifty thousand a year. You can their executives can only make two fifty. That's the cap and so if they want to make more they have to raise their lowest employee salary. It's like a fundamental thing in their company and so the people by default get paid very well because they want to get paid very well and so do that. They got to increase that lowest salary. Am I going to work here and so they based in Los Angeles yeah and so 41:11 What if I just pulled out my phone and it was like, so yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, Just keep doing it. You just call it. You're like, Hey, I'd like to interview right now. Career, our family. Oh, interesting. Red flag. is a pretty big red flag. Go to our job portal. Yeah. Their turnaround is historically very low. They have double digit years that most people will stay with the company for 41:40 10 years plus because it's just such a good work environment. People, they make good money. what was said by multiple people in that documentary about the company was the employees say it's not just that they like the benefits are good and the pay is good. It's that those things show that they actually value us as people. Like we're not just here to make them rich. Like we're here because they actually like we're doing something together. Like we're all part of this. 42:10 it's it's interesting. They they're they're very big on all their philanthropy stuff. They're very big on treating their people people well and they've got some kind of crazy foundations from the crucifixion of some random stranger started at all. Who would have thought that faith? I don't think that started it. Do you think that started it? Well, I mean really he was if it wasn't for that guy, 42:40 getting crucified or crucifying himself, he would have never got admitted into the mental hospital and he would have just continued selling soap to survive and then going and preaching his message. Okay, but getting admitted in the present in the mental hospital changed him to where now he just sold soap to get his message out there. So change his messages that he had a fan who crucified who tried to crucify himself. Yeah, and then that's what jump started his stuff. You think that's the message? I don't think that that's the message. I'm just thinking that that's 43:10 part of the story and that's a fundamental part of the story. Yes, yeah. Imagine being that influential though. 43:21 Imagine having that kind of influence. 43:28 to help our show grow. We just need one of you. We just need one. Just need one brave soul. God, can you imagine if it happens and then they play that clip on the news? 43:47 Please don't. I feel like we have to say the official position of this podcast is that you should not crucify yourself. Wow, that's crazy nuts nuts. So yeah, that's dr. Bronner. I feel like we should try to find the bottle so we can read this soap label somewhere. I mean I've got it on the internet. We've got it literally right here. I know, but I'm saying like look, it cuts off at the bottom. Like I want to be able to read it on like. I feel like we can find this soap somewhere. I mean we can read it right in here. If you can keep your head 44:16 If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting to if you can wait and not be tired by waiting or being lied about, don't deal in lies or being hated. Don't give a give way to hating. See, I'm not that that's where the sentence ended. That whole thing was one sentence and I'm going to be honest. I don't know the point of that sentence. Oh, well, it's you're not enlightened. 44:44 I do see it says down here underneath like psychedelic assisted therapy and then it says support PS 20 fiddle off. 45:03 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of things on the last night. If you liked it and you want more of it, here's another guy who had some crazy ideas and tried to push it on some people El Ron Hubbard Scientology. You might know him from the giant blue building in Los Angeles or Tom Cruz. So we did a whole episode about the founding of that and the crazy cookie ideas that they've got. It's I don't care to make fun of them. They're weird and if you if you want early access to next week's episode, you can join our our Patreon 45:32 Where we get early access to episodes free, know, no ads all that kind of stuff and then you get to join Our discord where we hang out and talk and like you can give ideas that way. It's a really good time So thanks for supporting our show genuinely. 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