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00:00 Hey, welcome to things I learned last night. This is a comedy podcast where we learn stuff and we make some jokes along the way. This week's episode is about a doozy. It's a good time. It's about a doozy. Yeah, it's about a guy who was a guide and a mysterious disappearance of a group of people in Colorado. So good times. Yeah, there's a what shows you got coming up. Let's see. It's June 17th. I got a show and 00:25 Baltimore on this eight teet I'd love to see if I just start promoting shows that don't exist. What a big website fire, fire, people have people show up and I'm like sorry I was there. You were just late. It was fast. It was a quick show two minutes and done wow. All right. I don't know. I don't know if I have any shows coming up, but all my shows are here. Myres dot com slash shows. Let's get to the episode. 00:54 Keep your ass wide or back! Drink your tea again! Can we do a number two and then a... we'll do... so I want some fries, a vanilla shake, I'll do the Israel Swan. Literally all the employees run out the back. They're like, he knows! He knows what we did! He knows what we did. Things I learned last night. 01:24 What's up? Have you ever heard of Alfred Packer, Alfred Packer, Alfred Packer? Here's a picture of him. Oh, okay. I like this guy. This looks like first of all, he'd be played by Christian Bale and and he's old time. He says the eighteen hundreds is eighteen sixty could be. What about this one might give you more to go on? Oh, this guy looks 01:52 like the bad guy in a movie. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that Alfred Packer. Yes, both same guy. Yeah, okay, because the first picture he's got his big, you know, mustache and go to a big mustache go teeth. Yeah, and then long head of hair and then this one, his his receding hairline has caught up. Well, he looks like a 02:14 Is in this? Is he in prison in this? I think it's more war. Like he looks like he's a soldier here and this one he looks like he's a Wild Wild West. Wild Wild West boy. Yeah. Well this is at the Wild Wild West. Sure. What's that called? Like they have like the Renaissance Fair. Don't they do that for the Wild West? The West Desens Fair? Stagecoach. 02:39 music festival. Yeah, I think you're right. Don't they do? Do they do the ren fair for the for? I feel like there's a version of the renaissance fair for the wild west civil war reenactments. Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking of. He does in the first picture. It looks very civil war. You know what's really interesting? I don't know if well, I mean you've lived in a few other places now, so I think you probably pick up on this by now, but we move to Springfield college. 03:06 and when I got to Springfield, you didn't realize that the Civil War happened there. I didn't know realize that the Civil War was real. I thought it was a lie. Well, yeah, I guess it didn't happen in Colorado. Did it? No, I didn't have to learn about it. Obviously we learned about it. Yeah, I knew I did not. I was not a Civil War denier. That's made up no, but you didn't have the battlefields. We went to battlefields on field trip. 03:31 Yeah, and they did the reenactment, which is kind of weird to walk a bunch of fourths through a field and be like a bunch of people killed each other here over this over states rights and nothing else. It was about the fact that the states wanted the rights to be their own boss and we're like to do what they whatever they wanted one of their own freedom to do what 03:55 they freedoms to do what they wanted to do. What do they want to do? Tell us what they wanted to do guys, but so eyes were going to McDonald's. What is interesting? What is it? What was interesting to me was how many people would do the reenactments like because I had heard of reenactments as like sure something people did yeah, but I it was not. I never met anyone in my life who did civil war reenactments. Yeah, I guess technically me and my friends did war reenactments, but we were doing like 04:28 I guess now that I think about it, that's kind of what we were sure. I guess I was sitting here making fun of people who did civil war reenactments and I'm just realizing I did the same thing, just a different era. Yeah, so let me withhold judgment for a second yeah and say I'm not weird sure, but what is a little, also they didn't have like so. I think the war reenactments were a thing like they didn't have video games to reenact. You know, like that we right out like when you play video games, you're 04:55 like I played Desert Storm. Yeah, when Desert Storm was still happening by the way they put out a little crazy. I would think about it. You're like oh yeah, that is a little insane. Yeah, yeah, that I haven't thought I played Desert Storm. Why there was a yellow ribbon on the tree out front of our house for my uncle who was in Iraq. Yeah and we were like I'm also there. You know, I threw my Xbox away. 05:25 die like. Well, I guess this game's over. We were rich so so when that ocky, what time does he exist? Oh, he was born in eighteen forty two. Okay, so that picture was pretty right. were yeah, you were right. I mean, read about that. Yeah, he was born in Pennsylvania and he kind of had his born in Pittsburgh, which never mind. He was born in Pesce, Pennsylvania and 05:51 which is a really pretty city. By the way, if you know, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh is amazing. I love the you bend to Pittsburgh. I know I just know city. I hate it. I love, I love the tunnel. I love the tunnel you go through and it comes right into this. It's just a watch YouTube videos of that or what I might have. 06:09 cities. It's okay. It's not weird to just watch videos of cities. Sometimes, okay, it's not weird. You play runescape. Okay, yeah, it's gave it. play in fake cities like drain or an Ardon and in 06:27 I build serious. I play in fake cities too, but I also play explore real seas. So one of my favorite pastimes, this is my favorite VR. I just put the headset on and I go through that tunnel into Pittsburgh. You know what I'm This is so cool. No, I, I, I genuinely, this is a genuine thing I do for fun sometimes. So if you want to make fun of me in the comments, I will open up Google mats and I'll just street look around. 06:55 I'll just look around like, look at this place. Let me find out more about how this is laid out. So I genuinely ask me where you live. Throw in the comments. Ask me where you live. I could probably tell you some stuff about your hometown. If your hometown is a major city, if your hometown is nowhere, then I don't care. OK, but I do. I do. 07:17 but I all I can tell you about is about how the city is laid out. I can't tell you anything about the history of the culture. I can just tell you where things are at cool, so and what you were born in eighteen forties and 07:35 Yeah, okay, so he was born of the eights, fourties in Pittsburgh. He he says that he had a bitter relationship with his parents and in his late teens he moved himself to Minnesota, yeah, pretty hard core speaking of Minnesota. So do you have something to say? No, I didn't. I was just doing what you did earlier. We're like here's something that's not relevant at all and we'll waste five minutes of everyone's time. Freaking okay, so he moves to Minnesota. 08:05 I guess the job is a shoemaker. Yeah, here's the interesting thing about about this is it's eighteen. I mean he's a teenager. He was born at what did I say? Eighteen forty two and so this is the mid eighteen fifties and this guy moves across the country as a teenager. Yeah, I I don't understand because I feel like if you're a teenager today moving across halfway across the country is hard. Okay, like the transit is a lot easier now than it was then 08:34 But getting across the country is really hard. Yeah, but think about Pittsburgh to Minnesota. You go Pittsburgh over to Cleveland City, Cleveland to 08:45 Toledo, yeah, Toledo to Detroit, yeah, Detroit down over to Chicago area. You know, you just skirt along the Great Lakes, essentially, yeah, and then Chicago area up and then over or, know, like I think there's enough stuff along the way. But here's the thing in this era, like the railroad was still under construction and so like the railroad hadn't and so he's having to genuinely a stage coach probably is how he's getting around as a teenager, which 09:14 I think it this in this era, people weren't just like oh, you're a child. It was just like. Can you pay me okay? I'll take you in my horse to frickin the never to seven to seventeen year old wasn't a child then that's also true. I guess own adult. I guess yeah, they they did think that you got to be going. If you were fourteen, you were an adult. Yeah, that's that's fair because they didn't have high school used to be college essentially yeah. That's used to end at eighth grade. That is actually interesting. I don't think about that. So anyways, so he moves to Minnesota 09:42 and then an 18, yeah man, the kids these days are weak. These fifteen year olds need to get jobs man. 09:52 Here's you need to do. You got a software in high school is being unruly. Doesn't want to fight. You know why they talk back is because they're supposed to be genetically and it evolution Lee supposed to be out of your house. Kick him out, send her to the rail yard, see where they go, raise them in the path that they shall go. Okay, so he he's in Minnesota. You're you're a dad at this point, probably 10:20 Yeah, I should be episode. I hope if I'm not that that's bad. Yeah, so kick your kid out of the house when as soon as you hear this episode, he's old enough. Yeah, he's ready to go. If he's not, that's my fault. What's the you guys chose? We haven't chose yet, but this episode comes out. We still won't have chosen. We're still trying to figure out. really not going to tell anybody until you have this kid. I'm not even exaggerating to you when I tell you we don't have a choice yet. Like we don't know what we're meet him first. 10:50 Cause genuinely, I'm not kidding. have a list of options and those options every time we look at them. You hate them. Yeah, like today we have one. Today we have one that we like. Tomorrow we'll hate that one. Like it really, it's oscillating so much. It's too hard to pick it. It's one of those weird things where it's like, it feels so important, but it also doesn't matter that much. 11:16 I like because he's the thing. Here's the thing. It's just a name. My name is Tim. Yeah, like and you see why that mad right. Your name is Tim like it could be. I is a thing. Terry. Great job. Great choice. TJ very cute for a kid. That's great. Yeah. He probably should have just gone by Timothy. He chose to go by Tim. Yeah, Timothy is pretty dorky. 11:45 I'm not going to lie. Everyone's all up in arms about Timothy Chalamet and how hot he is and like how Timothy is such a cool name. It's not. Do you talk about Timothy Chalamet? Everybody I talked to up in arms. I walked in a talk about the other day. Someone was like to the Chalamet is so freaking hot and what is the hottest part about of is it goes right Timothy instead of tip? It's so hot, that's so hot, but here's the thing. What you should be up in arms about is my hair line 12:15 thank you Walter Gagin's Walton Goggins. So anyway, I'm just gagaing around. know we made it move to Minnesota. He moves to Minnesota and why is it Minnesota? The Civil War happens and so in sixty two he enlists to serve in the civil war yeah and he in this Minnesota. I don't know if you guys know how that worked, but that was the south first ever one and so eight months later though he's honorably discharged because he has epilepsy, which is interesting 12:44 because this never comes up again in his life, except for except for. should say, I should say he gets honorily discharged and he's really upset about it. He's like, he's like, I really want to fight in this war, and so he goes to Iowa and he enlists in Iowa to serve with the eighth Iowa Calvary Regiment. Okay, and he's there for almost a year before he's honorably discharged for epilepsy. 13:13 is he having seizures? Is that how they yeah he's having seizures as they honor they did. They're like you're not medically fit to fight in this war and so yes, he's like he's like he's like I just want you guys to let me fight in this war. So anyways, so war keeps happening. He he travels west. He's like I got to get away from this war. He's like can't be close enough to this to find out. can't be a part of this. Yeah, so he's like I got to move west. So moves out west and he just works like odd jobs for like nine years. He's a hunter. He's a ranch hand, a field worker, 13:42 He's like transporting stuff on wagon. He's like a trucker, but wagoner, a wag, wagoner, wagoner, wagoner, wagoner. Thank you. And so he's just doing, you know, he's a, he's a gig worker and then he gets this phone call from a woman in LA who says, I need you to go. Okay. No. And so he's just, he's honestly a floater at this point. He spends 14:11 nine years as a floater. And in the 1870s, gold is discovered in Breckenridge, Colorado. so... The gold rush. Well, kinda. This is in Colorado. And so, I mean, guess the gold rush was the whole west, I guess. So the gold rush kicks off in Breckenridge. They discover the gold. And this guy by the name of Robert McGrew, who lived in Salt Lake City, Utah, finds out about it. 14:40 Yeah, he's like I want some gold. That's exactly how he said it. And so I got a group of men together at the local saloon and said you guys we're going to go with some gold and so at the local saloon. So November of eighteen seventy three this group comes together and they say okay we're going to go on this expedition to Breckenridge. But this is the eighteen seventies so it's literally like horseback travel right. And so they depart. They start heading that way 15:09 and they come across Alfred in Provo, Utah and near Provo. And Alfred is like, Hey, I know these parts. I've been, I've been, I know these parts. And so he tells them that, uh, he's, he's both been a prospector and a guide. He's like, I've taken jobs as a prospector, getting me some gold places. I've also guided people through these mountains. He says, I know this territory super well. Um, and I also, 15:38 can help you like get through this sure this area and so he he didn't have like any provisions or anything and so he said i'll join as as a guide and so they said okay it seems like you know your stuff and so you can take us on the trip and so they depart through the san juan mountains to head to breckenridge colorado to start searching for gold and the trip doesn't exactly go as they plant while they're on the on their journey okay 16:08 remember they left in November, probably the worst time of year for them decided to make this journey and as they can as they start to cover some ground, they start to realize that their guide doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. He's making a lot of kind of silly mistakes and he seems to be kind of mailing it in like fumbling through where to go and how to do different things in the mountain. This is Alfred yeah. This is out yeah 16:36 and our guide guidance to the mountains. He keeps pulling up chat. Gbt. How do I be a guide? Did you see that video? Are there the picture that went viral this week of the doctor in the, the, did you see that? No, it was like an urgent care and the, physician is looking up on chat, Gbt. And like, you can look at his side panel and he's clearly done it for every other person's coming that day. He's literally just putting in their symptoms. Isn't that like a key and peel skit? 17:06 I feel like there's a skit. It was before Tatum E T, but I think it was like they were Googling. was like the yeah doctor was sitting on. have their computer like they do where they're taking notes, but he was just Googling like Web M D. I think it seems like you have scurvy. Actually, this says you're dead. Do you feel dead? Seems like you're dead. All right, I'm gonna report that because you're going to go to court and so 17:35 they're on their journey and a lot of questions are starting to rise among the group about their guides, quaff, take qualifications, Alfred. Yeah, and so there's it's not like severe, but it's like there's some questions raising the severe part about it, though, is that they all find him very annoying. They're like this guy kind of sucks. The things that we we hear is one that that he talks really, really loudly. Yeah, he's 18:05 He tells stories that they don't like. We don't like your stories. get this. You're not going to believe this. You're not going to believe this. They say he has a very obnoxious high pitched laugh. 18:27 He's doing it now. What are the party members called them a whiny fraud? 18:37 this self awareness is what I love the most right now. The fact that I don't even have to make the joke. The fact that you're like get this also we've already been over because of the pictures, his hairlines receding and he all of his stories. He had way too many details, said a lot of stuff that didn't matter. Yeah, he died. 19:03 talked about. He told all the people's names. They have to tell their names, didn't have to other names as a Bible degree doesn't use it doesn't. 19:16 It's so good. 19:19 it's really funny that you have the self awareness to be like yeah, I'm annoying this guy. Okay, so what else is that looking so they are they just generally don't like the guy yeah yeah okay, and so they start to realize a nice shirt you're wearing today though. I think you is that genuine yeah. Well, I appreciate that. Are you you trying to that time you do that bit? What do you want out and put my shirt? Are you doing that right now? I don't know. I might 19:49 No, that color doesn't look good on people with my skin tone. 19:57 Do we have the same skin tone? Are you trying to say something? 20:05 so dumb. You guys don't know anyway, the winner ended up being a bigger issue for them than I think any of them expected and so yeah pretty quickly. A lot of their wagons were damaged to the point where they could not progress. A lot of their horses got injured to the points where they could not progress and they were relying almost 20:33 completely just on their compass for what direction to go. They're like, I guess we need to go east. And so they were just following this east and Packer being as inexperienced as he evidently was. Yeah. Um, they eventually got lost and they were lost in the mountains. They began running out of food and, uh, they ended up getting to the point where they had to start eating their horse feed and so feed, not feet. 20:59 They not horses either just the thing yeah they were just they were just eating the horse horses feed well they did at one point get to the point where they started considering eating the horses themselves okay, but they did not actually get to that point. Eventually they found they came upon let's see an encampment of chief ure which is a native american camp okay outside Montrose Colorado, so they did cover a lot of ground yeah. 21:29 that outside of Montrose, Colorado, they came across this chief kind of told him the situation they were in. He was super helpful. He's actually known as the white man's friend is what like one of his, don't know what you call it attributes or nicknames or something. I don't know. But he took them in, fed them, brought them back to health. And a weeks later they were like, we're ready to keep going. And he's like, I don't think you should. He said, we're still like in the deepest part of the winter. And so 21:58 he they kind of argue back and forth for a few days, basically being like we need to continue. We got to go find the gold and he's like you guys aren't going to make it very far. You don't have enough provisions. You don't have enough experience like you should not continue on this journey, but after a few weeks of it or not a few weeks, a few days of going back and forth and arguing with them. Eventually he lets them go and in later conversations he said he literally says I got tired of arguing with packer 22:27 And so I let them go. 22:34 Golly, dude, are you reincarnated? What is this? 22:39 and so on February 9th, what is this? Two, three weeks later on February 9th, they end up deciding, okay, we're going to continue moving. So they started in November, it started in November and now it's February and they're in outside Montrose, Colorado. They didn't didn't make it too far and so there's 22:59 packer and five others in the group. Some of the party stayed back. Some of the group was like we're not going to have fun with that. Yeah, they're like guys and going so imagine being so annoying that people would rather risk the winter with some strangers and continue on with you. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. So the group that goes that leaves is pack and five others. There's 23:25 Alfred Packer, which important side note about Alfred that I haven't brought up yet. There's debate like scholarly debate on what his name actually was okay, because what you see in that's on his tombstone is Alfred, so he's dead. I mean yeah, was bored spoilers 23:57 Well, you see that his tombstone is Alfred. What you see in a lot of, this might be kind of a spoiler, but in a lot of newspaper articles, you see Alfred. But in a lot of other newspaper articles, you see Alford. And allegedly, he called himself Alfred. But there's a point late in his life where he starts calling himself Alfred. He also has a tattoo on his back that says Alfred. 24:26 I mean to his credit, though he can't read that you know it's on his back and so it's like you know that's the thing. They here's what I think. I think he just has a speech. He just goes mine's alford alford. He's saying alfred but he's going to offer the tattoo artists also not educated the tattoo artist who doesn't care. It's just like all right. It's a flat. don't have mirrors yet yeah like ow. 24:54 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 25:21 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I think we might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 25:38 and also tattoo artists messed up. Hey dyslexic. They didn't know what that was. Back then they thought dyslexia was just witchcraft. Yeah, they were like oh you're possessed. you're so I yeah, I think you're actually the devil. They were like handed to you. They like oh you're left handed. Let's cut it off as the demons in you. You must like Satan. Yeah, so dyslexic demons and so 26:05 the guy was just he just for a l f e and then went oh no, but it's on his back. He can't tell yeah are and he's like all right, alford your tattoos on. said alfred yeah alford our yeah. He just says it really quick. It's like he's like sure of He tells I love when people are bad at their jobs man alfred alfred comes in and says hey, I'm alfred and he's like hey nice to meet you. My name's tim and they kind of have a conversation for a little bit and then alfred says 26:34 yeah, I'd like to get my name tattooed on his back and then I him. The tattoo is like okay. I'll do yours. If you do mine and then so Tim turns around and Alfred goes T I 26:53 he say his name was did he say his name was did you just put a B? No, that's the arches of the lower case M. Oh okay, that's what I felt. I felt the arches and then I underlined it. It's a I underlined the M. That's what that is. I made an M and then I underlined it because that's the way it is. All right, tip tiger. Sorry, did you say tip? I don't know tub. All right, 27:21 this is one of the signs where Tim can't swallow his drink. You know, say so again when you're listening back, it just sounds like I'm running. It's good. I just kind of got to keep going. You know, it was just that thing where the artist artist was like shoot. I don't remember his name. I think it was Alfred Alfred. He didn't tell me now we've been talking too long for me to ask. I just got to commit. He's never going to read it. He's never going read it. No, but allegedly 27:47 for years he went by Alfred and then change it out of life. He started going by Alfred. What it sounds like what it sounds like the general consensus is that his name was Alfred, but he was not well educated as a kid, so he thought it was Alfred for a long time and that's somewhere along the line. Someone was like, hey, you know, Alfred isn't a name right and he's like yeah, it's the same way that like my wife's whole family calls it Illinois. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 28:20 you know, and she can't quit. yeah, like really last weekend I was in Illinois and I was like I'm just outside of Chicago. She goes, I forgot you're in Illinois this weekend. Illinois, Illinois. Yeah, with the ass and so don't do her. Grandma was literally schooled in a school house chill. It's freaking do her. Her grandma was in like handwritten letters and it's I mean she can't spell 28:46 Yeah, she was she was literally schooled in the schoolhouse, you know, so it's that's what I'm saying. It's like the eighteen sixties where it's just like yeah, I mean that that's probably how his parents said it. Alford, Alfred, yeah, probably, and he just assumed for his whole life that I'm assumed that's how it was like. That's what I'm saying. If your name is like how you pronounce your name, that's you yeah, and ultimately it doesn't matter that much like it's not that big of a deal like it's a big deal, but it's not a big deal. You know sure so Alford, Alford or Alfred Packer, 29:14 and then his five companions. These are his companions, so it was a guy by the name of George California noon who was a teenager at the time and then a guy by the name of Israel Swan sick name yeah sick name an elderly dude by the name of James Humphrey, who was rumored to be carrying around a thought or carrying thousands of dollars in cash at that time. So basically carrying million dollars on his back in his backpack. That's a psychopath is like when you got a tip, you know 29:45 he was like really big on tip. I brought cash for tips. Don't worry guys. He's like time the native Americans. He's like here you go yeah. He's like he's like I need to be on this journey. Everyone on the journey has a specific role. You got your hunter, you got your muscle, you've got the guy who's really good at making fires and he's like he's like I tip people. I'm generous, I'm generous and then Frank butcher Miller who was a butcher from Germany cool and then this red haired guy, Shannon Wilson Bell was the group that they had yeah. 30:15 And so they all, they all depart and there's a whole wave of, don't know what it is. There's like Jen Exers who are named like traditionally female names now, I guess. I guess Shannon's more of a woman's name now, right? Shannon can go either way. Shannon goes either way. plenty of Shannon's now that I'm thinking about it actually. I mean, I will say like Shannon was one where Shannon, I didn't know any. 30:42 male Shannon's until I became an adult. Same with Terry. I only knew female Terry's. I only knew female Shannon's, but the older I get as an adult, I'm meeting more. I only knew mayor male Terry's. Yeah. Perry. Yeah. My high school football coach in my hometown. His name was joy. Yeah, that's, that's his name was joy. That doesn't end. I'll tell you what. No one ever made fun of that guy. He's huge. Yeah. 31:09 and I don't mean like he's football coach big like he's and he wasn't very joyful. No, he was great. Actually, he's like legitimately he was at my he's at my church. He's a really good guy. Yeah, but I know one. My mom said come on, went to high school with him. My mom was like no one ever made from high school either because he was he was big then interesting. So good for him. So they left, they left, they left the chief and on February 9th and 31:39 Nobody heard from them until April 16, 18, 74 same year, 65 days after they left yeah when packer comes out of the woods alone and walks across a frozen bank lake bed super hard into the low pinos Indian agency, which is near saguache colorado, which I don't know if you know where that is like it's like south west okay, Colorado. 32:06 I yeah, southwestern colorado. He claims something happened to these guys. So this is 32:22 I should have seen this coming. What nothing just tell your tell your ghost stories. It's not a ghost. There's no it was not a ghost. Tell your space goes no a space ghost. So watch is like not as far south as Alamosa, but it's like near Alamos. I hear I think something interesting is about to happen in this story and you're spending time being like here's what it is on the map. Also these guys here's their names. 32:52 and I had a high pitch voice and people really hated him for it. He's been so much freaking and then you're going to be like and it's like something happened. 33:05 you've taken how long, how long, what's the timestamp right now? Ryan? Well, to be fair, 15 of those were you doing whatever your thing was 30 minutes into this episode and Tim is just now getting, I just want to point out, I have no control here. 33:22 so he walks into this agency. He walks in walks across the frozen river, which is very walks of the room, watch out of woods, walks across the frozen river. He's carrying a rifle and a knife and a steel coffee pot. I don't know. I was scared all three of those. He's got a satchel with them. Maybe one of them's in the saddle and then he walks into this into the agency. It's the more the morning all the men were there eating breakfast and he walks in and he stands in front clearly disheveled 33:51 and he asks and he's well. He doesn't just ask he begs for food and shelter and everyone's like oh my God, you just come out of the woods and he's like a woods guy. Are you a woods man? Are one of those? Is this big? Is this a big foot we've been hearing about and so they give him some food and he starts eating it and he just starts vomiting uncontrollably and and so he says he says I can't eat that he says do you guys do you guys have any whiskey? 34:19 And they were like, yeah. And he starts drinking a lot of whiskey, like not just a little bit. He can't keep the food down. He's like, can really slam the whiskey. 34:31 sorry. He's like I can't eat food. I've been I'm near starvation, so can't eat, but I can drink. I can still drink. What do you think I am some sort of coward and so he drink? He gets really drunk. How old is he this in this point? He's like twenty. This is eighteen seventy four. He was born eighteen forty two, so he's like thirty our age, thirty two. They on picture me yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, into this camp. 34:59 chugging some whiskey is like just like don't give me breakfast. Give me whiskey and so he tells them the story. He says I was hired by these five guys to take him to Breckenridge to look for gold. He's like I'm a guide and he said, but while we were on our journey he had become snow blind. That's what he tells him. He said I became snow blind and so then I lagged behind the party because I was like a burden for them. They're like you're such a burden for us. We're going to leave you in the mountains. It's when it's so if you you're in like a blizzard 35:29 Yeah, the snow, can give you like temporary blindness, but it's not like a severe thing. So he became snow blind. OK, and he claims that a member of the party, Israel Sline, Israel Swan, gave him his rifle and right before all the rest of them decided to abandon him and was forced to survive on his own and make his own way through the other five just went. 35:57 their own separate way yeah, and they just abandoned him with virtually no supplies, just the rifle and a little bit of a mo that he left with him okay, and he had nothing else to eat. So he was just eating rose buds the entire time he was alone in the woods, which is a little weird to say I was just eating rose buds because there's like a lot of berries, but I guess I guess it's a male winner. So maybe all the berries are not ripe or existent and so he travels through the wind. 36:24 the wilderness for a little over two months and made his way to to this camp. They listened to his story and they even as he's telling it to them face to face. Yeah. And then one guy stands up and goes, bet if I walk into those woods, I'm going to find five dead guys. 36:45 That you killed and left there. 36:51 I bet that's what you know what all right. Is everybody want to take some bets on what's going to happen? I bet that's what's going to happen. Yeah. And so he they all immediately hearing the story they kind of doubted it. Yeah. They also thought it was strange because I mean this this is allegedly like a picture of him right around that time and it's like he looks thin but he doesn't look starving in the wilderness for two months. Well this is obviously not it's a day of yeah yeah yeah. 37:19 but it's in that era and so he they think there's there's some pretty big question marks there. It's also a little questionable why they would abandon him, but be like here, take our my rifle because it's like you think you will kind of want that if you're traveling to the wilderness. Another thing that's very strange is for the extent of his stay. He stays there for a few weeks for his son to stay. He refuses to eat. He just drinks whiskey for breakfast specifically and he claimed he was broke and he had sold 37:49 the rifle he had in his possession to one of the justices for ten dollars because he was broke, which ten dollars at the time. I think that comes out to two hundred and seventy dollars today and he stayed there at the agency for ten days before he then made the journey to the nearby town of Sagwatch, Sagwatch, I think, and hopes of buying supplies to go home to Pennsylvania was what he told them. Okay, he gets there to Sagwatch. 38:16 and he buys a horse for $70, which is the equivalent of $1,900 to today. So that's a little weird that he had that much money. And then while he's in Sigwetch, he stays at a saloon and the owner of the saloon says he spent around $100 there, mostly on drinks. But he also gambled every night was gambling. So like $100, $100 today is like $2,700. So, and he's gambling every single night. 38:46 and he also offered to the owner of the saloon in saguache. He offered him to lend him three hundred dollars and he spent and he also spent a bunch of money at the local general store. He's just like blowing through cash is what the point I'm trying to make right, so everyone's like why does this guy have so much money and his story is not making a lot of sense and after a few weeks he's in saguache gambling his life away when Preston Nutter 39:16 shows up in Sigwatch and Preston Nutter was a member of the original party that decided to stay behind when they all left that with the chief and he saw him and he was like, he was like, Hey, he's like, where is everyone else? Did you guys make it? And he said, Oh no, actually what had happened was the party had left camp one night. They were going hunting. Um, and I stayed back with, uh, with, uh, Israel's rifle. They left it with me. They went hunting. Um, and 39:45 They never came back to camp. And he said, I stayed on and waited for them for like a week and then they never came back. So eventually I went out to look for him. I couldn't find him. Uh, and then I came here and he said, that's crazy. And then he's like, he's like, that's one of the other guys' knife. He noticed he had a knife on him. He's like, that's one of the other guy's knife. He said, well, while I was looking for him, he left it in a tree. was like stabbed into a tree. So I picked it up. I thought it'd be a useful supply for me. So I picked it up and I kept going and precedent nutter is like, that's a weird story. I don't think I believe it. 40:15 I bet if I go in those woods, I'm going to find five dead guys and so he was pretty convinced that packer was lying to him and he had spent a couple of months with him traveling through the woods, so he knew him pretty well and so he's in this loon and he starts arguing with him like they get in a pretty fierce argument in this saloon. So eventually that that fight happens. He leaves pack or nutter leaves and nutters like 40:44 I'm going to find someone who's going to arrest you. He's like he looks for the law. He's looking for the law. I'm gonna find some who's gonna arrest you speaking of arrested. Okay, listen, we've been watching a lot of okay. We used to watch cops all the time right. You remember cops in the nineties. Have you seen on patrol live? Have you seen this? Okay, one of the things that we love about on patrol live is that it's just like cops in the nineties, but cops in the nineties was pre recorded 41:12 you know, like edited together. This is on patrol live, so people are getting arrested right and then the camera guy will back up and one of the cops will leave having arrested this person and then go to the camera like yeah. So what happened here tonight was and they'll give like a sideline update about what happens, so they'll do like a car chase, pit them, pull them out on the ground and then be like 41:34 Yeah, so they broke a they broke a hundred down the down I forty over here. We caught up to him. We did a pit. We pulled him out. He's got some warrants. It's outstanding and the guy's just back there freaking bleeding from his nose. Just like right and the cop was just like yeah, but tonight he's going to spend the time. He's going to spend some time in the tank. Right. The other thing that happens and this is where it's like freaking dude. This is so many police departments. 41:55 They pull someone out, they tase them, right? Yeah, they get them handcuffed. They do all this stuff. They put them in the back of the car and they're hyped like all these cops are like, well, you know, the energy, the adrenaline, they open the back door and they don't have the freaking Miranda rights memorized. Have you seen this? Oh yeah, so they freaking the card out. 42:13 They're like, hey, keep your hands behind your back. You're going to get chased again. 42:20 You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. You have the right to an attorney and you have the right for that attorney to be present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you at no charge at any point. You can exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Do you understand these rights as I have asked them to you having these rights in mind? Do you want to continue talking now? 42:50 and like freaking it's your job. You get tased, you carry a gun, memorize the card, memorize the run hard. That's not a hard one. Yeah, you know what I know. It's a hard. There's nothing on this card. 43:09 Memorize it, dude! 43:15 What a flex that was. Is this really blank? No, you have a right to remain silent. 43:27 what if I did I did have it. What if I did have the Miranda rights? I was just carrying it with me. I just carry it in my wallet. I hand it to the cop and said of my driver's license. I oh sorry wrong one. I do know my rights officer. 43:43 Oh sorry. Now I'm such a Miranda. 43:52 Oh my God, I love that because it was a cop's bit and also I made a sex in the city joke at the end. So meanwhile this whole thing's happening, nutter nutter is mad at him. I do love that they literally step aside like you get arrested. You're standing there and then they're like 44:15 Yeah, so he just robbed this seven eleven over here. We caught him and we they'll fully like they'll be on the phone with their girlfriend and the cop will just take their phone and be like you can pick them up at the jail tonight and they'll hang up very funny. So nutters out looking for the law, nutters human after first of all, I know you haven't named your kid yet. Nutter Nutter. Yeah, that's a good one. 44:41 Let me add it to the list. Yeah and so meanwhile, meanwhile, how for two of the guys, two other guys who were in the original party? Yeah, they finally made it to the Los Pinos Indian agencies right outside Sikwatch where he had originally shown up and they show up and while they're there, they kind of tell about their journey and they're like, oh yeah, none of the group, like half the group left. They went with this guy that was really high, pissing annoying. They're like, oh, Alford and they told the agency people 45:10 told these other to the story that he gave him and they're like. I don't think that's what happened. They're like those. I know those five guys. They would never just leave one person behind to like die right and they're like. We don't really buy that story and so they they start getting together a group of people to go try to see if they can figure out what actually happened for long story short. The general Adams, the leader of that agency yeah 45:41 He goes and he gets Packer and he says, Hey, we have a lot of questions about what's happening. Your story is not really adding up to us. Here's some whiskey. And he said, can you take us to where you left all the people like in where the separation happened? And he was like, yeah, sure. I could take you there. And so they set out on the journey and back into the woods and it very quickly starts to become apparent to them that he's not a guide. He has no idea what he's doing out here. 46:09 and he has no idea where he's going and they're like. We don't think that there's a place he's taking us like he's just wandering around the woods and so they are like. Okay, I think we're done here. You can go back to town and they're like we're going to get together a search party to find these people because we think we're looking for bodies like you said. So they start looking eventually they do find five bodies in the wilderness. This is a photo yeah of all of them. 46:37 are out, but they're like torn apart. Yeah, they're shredded, and so they come back and they say, hey, we found 46:54 yeah, they're shredded dude. Just so know, the drawing he shows me is bodies literally ripped and it's a drawing. It's like it's not a picture. It's like little skeletons and like top half of bodies, body, bottom house and then he just goes. So they go back in town. They go hey like okay, like the search party's found five bodies. They come back to the packer and they go 47:19 so we saw the bodies. Packers like you saw the you saw the bodies, which half which which part did you see which one? What is Packer say to this? So I'm so glad we're talking about this instead of Pittsburgh right now. 47:43 So he says that he says, okay, well, what actually happened was that there is what actually happened was we were on this journey and then a blizzard came and a blizzard stranded us yeah and he said and we ran out of supplies and we started to starve and he says Israel was the first to die and Israel is when Israel passed away things got a little things got a little frantic and so people started 48:12 kind of having the discussion of do we eat Israel? Do we go hunting? Do we do whatever he says? We couldn't bring ourselves to eat Israel. So we all said, okay, let's go out and hunt. And we ended up deciding to go out and hunting. But why are they believing this story? Well, I don't know if they're believing it. Okay. But he said, he said we wanted, we needed to go out and go hunt. And so we took turns hunting. I was out hunting. And when I came back, three of the other men were dead and Shannon was 48:42 Shannon covered in blood is like. I don't know who did this. Shannon was cooking them as he said. He said there is cooking chunks of them and he said when I came back to camp, Shannon charged me with a knife. So I shot him and I killed him and he said and I stayed there at camp for a couple days waiting for the storm to pass and he said and I didn't want to consume any of them, but he said, but in desperation, 49:07 He says, your mind goes to dark places. And he said, I didn't think I was going to make it without it. So I did. And I started cooking up pieces of them and eating them. they were like, oh, so you didn't tell us where they were because you ate them. And he said, that's why he couldn't keep food down. He was sick because he a bunch of people. 49:31 Hey, thanks for listening to things alone last night. Just so you know, we got a new merch line coming out for this summer, so you've been working on that summer bod and you want to show off how ripped you are. You can get a small t shirt from us or if you've not been working on that summer, but why don't you check out our two X selection? So we do have some really cool designs. I'm actually really proud of them. We got like a honking and bonking shirt. We've got regular things I learned last night. These are you listen. We don't make a ton of money from this show. This is literally to help cover our expenses, which you know 50:01 like microphones and Alex. so thanks for supporting our show. 50:11 And so he stayed there in the mountains for a few weeks, eating the rest of the party, eating the other five guys. Wow, I was going to go there for lunch, but not now. That's where they their name. A lot of people don't know that. I don't know that it's about this horrific incident in Colorado where five men lost their lives. She is dude. 50:38 genuine Idaho potatoes, though great branding and so I'm so hungry. I could eat five guys. 50:52 Yeah, next time next time you go to five guys, just bring up one of these days. Just go go there like I'm so hungry. I get Israel Swan. I everyone in there. You watch every chef. Can we do a number two and then a will do so? I want some fries and vanilla shake. I'll do the Israel Swan and really all the employees run out the back. They're like he knows he knows what we did. 51:16 he knows what we did. He employees every employee of five guys is a descendant of Alfred part packer and they all still feel guilty about this. Okay, so they arrest him through his trials, arrest him through his trials. He goes through a number of different. What do you do? Hold the bread right? You have the right to remain silent. 51:45 Anything you say can will be used against you in the court of law. You have the right to an attorney. You have the right to that attorney being present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be assigned to you without charge. We know you did it. No need to hide it. We can smell the body on your breath. We can see that you clearly don't floss and you've got the bones in your teeth. And no, no, no, no, no, not the not the teeth that are your bones. Those are bones. 52:15 but we can see additional bones in your deep. know you did it. Do you understand these rights? I've read them to you. Do you wish to answer our questions still quick question? The right for different kill those people. We got him. We go, got this guy, eight, five people. 52:47 Oh my gosh, that's crazy and so speaking of eating though, I'm starving right now. We got to wrap this up and so now he goes to trial and then trial. He tells a story and in trial he tells a different story and in the story they're starving. Everyone's trying to decide if they should eat somebody and nobody's dead yet and then bell is like I'm going to eat noon and so bell kills noon and then packers then kills 53:13 spell and self defense because he's like you're going to kill all of us if I don't kill you and then after killing bell they went they went scouting and then he killed everybody else. I don't know it's this whole thing. Just so you know, this is the premise of yellow jackets on show time. I mean if you've seen the show, but that's what this is yeah yeah and so yeah it long so short. He tells another scene yellow, no, it is no. I mean it's that ninety soccer team. It's a soccer team in the nineties 53:42 I school soccer. It's it's all timelines. It's lost and cannibalism. That's it. It's lost in the fact that the show doesn't know where it's going either. They're finished this last season and we literally at the end of the season we were just like all right. That was a waste of my. don't know what they end. They don't know what they're doing. They just know they had a good idea of like what if the soccer teams eating each other and then they were like that. That'll crush for the riders. The riders were at their kids soccer games like what if these kids each each other. 54:17 yeah, let's run it, let's run it, and so they go through the whole trial and she's going to cut or whoever is running this no context till 54:33 They're going to post that yeah, yeah, we're going to whoever it is. I'm not going to say 54:44 So they go through the whole trial, they find him guilty, they convict him to be hanged. And this, by this time, this is like sensational news. The Denver Post is writing about it every day and plaques get put up all around, not just Denver, but the state that, oh wait, sorry, wrong one. 55:32 There could not have been a better no context in slip than that slip. 55:43 That was genuine accident? That was a genuine accident. was gonna show you that later. 56:01 Oh my gosh, oh my goodness. Okay, so plaques for the audio listener. So sorry he was trying to pull up a map and he accidentally just go ahead and show it now is the golden plaque that says the alford packer memorial grill. It also says alford yeah in memory of staying westin yeah. I don't understand who stan weston is dan weston's apparently a three year old 56:31 Yeah, this is this is like way. I don't I don't think he's related to this event. Honestly, the Alfred Packer Memorial Grill, that's crazy. Yeah, this is actually this is literally I'm not exaggerating. This is on the original five guys. This plaque is sitting on the original five. No, so they put this plaque up around town accidentally show me that one inviting people to go. Oh my gosh, that's crazy dude. 57:00 you are like this looks like a wedding invite that says you are respectfully invited to attend the execution of alford packer at lake city colorado on the nineteenth day of may eighty eighteen eighty three. Please check chicken or be 57:21 and so RSVP. Wait, what was the day of the execution? 57:26 nineteenth of May. Oh, I thought I said thirteen to May. I would for sure be like you're the reincarnated, reincarnated, alford packer and so file your teeth down, so so chomp me luckily just before his he's a guys. I'm alfred just before you can't execute me. I'm not alford. I'm alfred. This is really interesting. 57:55 his lawyers right before he was supposed to be executed realized that the laws that they found him guilty under were laws that became laws when Colorado was established as a state. But when he did his crimes, Colorado was a territory. And so those laws were not in effect. And so it was like this weird 58:20 actually it's a territory you can eat territory. That's for sure, so they overturned his murder charge, but it didn't like spare him of like being responsible for the deaths, and so instead he was charged with manslaughter and then got charged to I think it was twelve years in pr. Oh no sorry, so we didn't get executed, so yeah, so he wasn't going to be executed now because it wasn't murder charges and he could not be charged for murder now, but instead of his manslaughter and he gets sentenced to forty years in prison. 58:50 and so he goes to prison because they don't know the territory. You don't get that joke. No laugh like you get it. I was laughing at you. was laughing at you. What's it from Oklahoma? The musical? Yeah, I don't know what that is. Sorry, what do What do you What do you talk? But he doesn't know the territory, but he doesn't know the territory. This is me not laughing at you. Thank you, but I'll tell you what there's some and and was going to call you a near a nerd, but if you're real, there's a musical nerd out there who enjoyed that one. 59:20 Yeah. So in, uh, let's see, he was, uh, no, it's not not Oklahoma. Stupid Jaren. Come on. That's music, man. Wow. I was just so ready to show you and put you in your place. So in 1885, his murder conviction was overturned and 86 he was convicted on the five counts of voluntary manslaughter sentenced to 40 years, which was eight years for each person. Okay. Um, and 59:50 So the he then turned in for prison, went to prison. And while I was at prison, he stayed at, let me see if I can give you the prison he stayed at. It doesn't matter. We've talked about this. Doesn't matter. Thank you. Why is that prison? He falls in for everyone listening where he's cause we talked about this. I've been trying when we're not recording. go, Tim, quit giving me unnecessary details. Just tell the story. No one cares about your kid. Quit talking about your life outside the story. 01:00:19 I've been trying okay, so he while he's in prison he is this is he falls in love with the wardens daughter and during wreck time. I was reading the poem and it led me to believe that the warden's daughter was the treasure. 01:00:38 so he is the warden's daughter around and now you know, just take your daughter to work day every day. What's she doing near the prison that this guy is like eighteen nineties? You know it was the night. It's a good thing. I'm not the pope. He's a cannibal, so he falls in love with her. 01:01:07 and he during wreck time he builds her this doll house. How old is the wardens? I'm be honest with you. I haven't found it as description of how old she is, so we're just good, but he builds her a doll house. That's the weird stuff on the floor. You know what I'm about? There was a picture. I don't know if you guys know those look like they're from the haunted mansion and they look like they follow you dude. So for anyone listening, the doll house is like this 01:01:35 I mean it's a big like it looks like a you know, like an eighteen hundreds like mansion, the two story it's and but it's labeled child's doll house, yeah, which makes me worried. I don't think she was a child. I think he made it as like as like a here's where our kids, yeah, I think which is like the nether level of weird to also weird also weird. Is there is there's a doll in the corner? Do you see the doll in the house because that's spooky as heck on the first floor? 01:02:03 Yeah, hold on. I actually feel like I've seen another picture now that I'm not a scary. Please don't. I don't want to do anything like the. What are you about to pull up? I'm not pulling up anything scary. Don't worry. I would never scare you. I would never scare you and pull up Chuckie and be like, look, I think this is yeah, so I'm pretty sure it's him. I'm like 90 % sure it's a doll version of him that he put in the house shot up. Yeah, 01:02:31 So it's like he's like it's like one day he'll be out of prison and this will be our home together. I think is the idea. And so here he is. This is your serious that serious. Go back. Yeah. That's the doll in the corner. Yep. Yep. 01:02:50 that's him. That's that's a hundred percent. He makes himself a doll to put in the doll house to be with him and do let me tell you people are like whoa, you're really messed up to take your first date on stage in front of an audience. This guy built a doll house and a doll of himself and then gave it to the wardens daughter. The prison was like you know what forty years at that's what makes me think you know it's okay when you're 01:03:20 fifty six yeah yeah. I mean that's the thing like it's not weird because he's he has to wait till he gets out of prison. Yeah, I guess he'll be the wardens daughter of response. Well, the warden finds out about this and he gets parole in 1901. Wait what yeah, he ends up getting parole and I don't know if it's because of the doll house, but he makes the doll house and then he gets paroled in 1901. 01:03:48 way before his sense was supposed to right like thirty years before. So he ended up with the warden's daughter. He served. He served eighteen years of his forty year sentence, so he twenty two years early. He gets parole and he moves to Littleton, Colorado. And meanwhile, this whole thing is happening. The Denver Post, there's a specific about the warden's daughter. He get he end up with her 01:04:10 No, he did not end up with her. Thank goodness. I was just so nervous that it was going to be like yeah. The warden was like I mean like what am I supposed to do? He made a doll house. What am I supposed to do? He made her dollars. That's the law law in this territory. The Miranda rights is daughter's names of Miranda. You the right to remain silent. You have the right to marry my daughter. If you make her a house that's suitable for a doll, but you also have to include a doll that looks like you, but can't look 01:04:38 too much like you, but definitely has to be noticeable. You do you understand these rights? If I read them to you, this card is empty. I had that in my eyes 01:04:56 Oh my gosh. Okay, so there was a writer by the name of pry. don't know her first name okay, or that might be her first name. I don't know if that's her first name or last name. This is I do have a picture of her though. She really believed that alford was framed. He wasn't actually a cannibal because she wrote about it all the time and the only thing she could write about yeah, it's the only thing they let her and so she wrote all the time about how he's not actually a cannibal 01:05:25 he just had a hard time the mountains and we've wrongly wrongfully in prison to this guy. So he moves to little tin based on literally nothing. Yeah, just based on her being like vibes seems like that's not true. Seems like he didn't do that and so he moved there and was like I know one. know one gal who will kiss my mouth yeah, but she doesn't then that nothing happens there. He ends up moving to little tin colorado over, he becomes a vegetarian 01:05:55 Yeah, because he can't even yeah, people get real stressed when they see him eat meat. Not like, don't know. He's like guys, just broccoli broccoli, The broccoli looks strangely like human flesh. Yeah. The broccoli is crying for its mom and please save me mom. It's a kid's arm painted green. Yep. Yep. You get it. Yeah, I get it. I get it. get 01:06:32 So he goes... 01:06:39 he lives out the rest of his days in little tin working odd jobs just kind of live in a regular life being a vegetarian, you know, and then he dies in nineteen oh seven at the age of sixty five. The cause of death on his birth certificate are bro is warren's daughter didn't return my love literally trouble and worry is the official cause. Yeah, dude, that certificate a lot of people think that it was dementia 01:07:08 You 01:07:13 but they put is it know what to call that back. I don't know what that was really troubled and worried. Where am I? Oh, he's so troubled and worried that trouble and was ironic was that he was. That's why he was lost in the woods to he was troubled and worried. Early dementia and so that's my biggest fear dude like having dementia yeah and not being able to remember stuff like that's just one of my that's my biggest fear. I think yeah it's same 01:07:45 Gosh, that felt so good. So that was incredible. So that was so good because you guys aren't close enough to see it click in his eyes. You know where he went? Yeah, same. Oh gosh, he's so troubled and worried. So troubled and worried right now. So I'll you what, that would have been my my space status. Jared Myers is troubled and worried. 01:08:15 him. He dies. That would have been my two thousand and fourteen acoustic band name troubled and worried trouble and worry. So he dies gentlemen next the duet trouble and worry and it's just me and some girl that has a crush on me and our good guitar. She has no talent, not good. I didn't know she had a crush on me because I was naive and kind of dumb. Yeah, 01:08:45 And I liked someone else who was never... Here's the other thing I realized too, dude. I was looking through my old Facebook, looking through my Facebook status high and old photos. And back then I was like, damn man, why don't these girls like me? And now I'm back at me like, brother in Christ. That's why. Are you serious? Of course they didn't. I don't. 01:09:10 I'm me. I'm troubled and worried by my past self. My time hop is my greatest enemy. It's like for real dude. I read my old post and I'm like oh no. Of course, Jacy didn't like you back. You idiot. She was a mature person and you were posting things like you were posting stuff like get behind me Satan. You'll never break me again. 01:09:40 All right, sophomore in high school, Jaron, yeah, you were posting stuff like put my glass in a jar and left it on the shelf to get dusty. What does that even mean? I don't know. Didn't know then either. I was just troubled and trouble and worry. Here comes acoustic guitar Jaron and like I don't know why she doesn't like me back and then the girl who is in love with me is singing 01:10:07 like me back, you know, yeah, but she's she's off key and like me back, you know, wow. So so he dies and when he dies, he dies and they bury them. They end up having to concrete his grave because everyone keeps digging into it because 01:10:34 it's this weird mix of people who are trying to find something, but also people are trying to vandalize his grave. Oh, they gave him the white veteran tombstone though. He sir, what's the coins about? I I'm gonna be honest. I have no idea that people just leave quarters for him. I guess looks like pennies yeah leave a penny for the packer. I think that is that's what they say. Leave a penny for the packer or hill e juniors. 01:11:04 golly, but yes, they had to concrete over it because people kept where is breaking into it? This is in Littleton, Colorado, okay, and that plaque. This is actually at C U Boulder. They years ago had the opportunity to rename their student cafe, and this is what the students voted for. That's the mistake. The college is colleges allow students to vote for stuff and the students are like this is really funny, really funny, and so they made the slogan 01:11:32 And I don't know if the school knew this, but the slogan that the students selected was, hold on to me, actually, let me read it so I get this right. The slogan was have a friend for lunch. 01:11:50 I love it. And then they also opened up a museum in his honor, I guess, remembering him. So that's where the dollhouse is from. There's also this wax figure of him. 01:12:04 That is absolutely terrifying. I love it. And then that's where we get all the other like the wax figure guy go back. This guy does look like he's on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disney for sure. That's great with the red knife. That's so Halloweeny. Yeah. And then they we've got all the other photos and stuff are from that museum. And here's a map of their journeys. Yeah. They went on. That's hilarious. Yeah. It's not that funny. He killed five people. 01:12:33 Which is also, also made this, which is also the number of people Jack the ripper killed. You know that really victims and we call him a ripper for that. That's what I'm saying. That's more like the most notorious serial killer, but it's like, dude, this guy killed an eight, five people and we don't know him. Yeah. Nobody knows him except for now, except for everyone here now. Yeah. Yeah. Brings a whole new meaning to pack a lunch. Huh? 01:12:59 So yeah, that's alford or alfred. I think let's stick with alford. I think alford is cooler for pack. that in the show notes. Wow. Well, if someone's coming at you and they're going, you know, first of all, just punch them in the mouth. Then second of all, you look him dead in the eyes and you say you fiddle off. 01:13:25 you 01:13:34 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of Things I Learned Last Night. If you liked it, you can check out the Kamar Dabin Incident. It's another story of a group of hikers that got lost in the mountains and, spoiler alert, they all died. So good, good fun, family fun for you to listen to. Very enjoyable. You should check that out. And if you want to see more of Till and you can see next week's episode right now by becoming a Patreon supporter. 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