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00:00 Hey, so this is a follow up, I guess. This one is related to the last episode. So if you've not watched the last episode about Forrest Fenn's. Treasure. Treasure and the things that he hid and people trying to hunt it down, then you're not going to understand this one because this is someone who tried to hunt it down, I guess. So here we jump into, let's not waste any time. Let's just get into it. It is May 27th. It's my parents' anniversary. Happy anniversary to them. It might be Tim's kid's birthday. Tim's kid is due any day now. 00:29 and and then I'm on tour. That's most important, and if you want to say or add or do or yeah, if you don't buy tickets, cut it off, we can't just cut it off. 00:46 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of a justin posy? Justin posy, justin posy, okay, I don't know justin posy. Here's a picture. This is just in posy and his layer office. That's a cool clock. That is a cool clock. It's also a cool like computer. Yeah, he's got what is that six different screens? You got two laptops with four different screens, 01:14 Yeah, and I am a little office. It is interesting. The double laptop set up like that is a little interesting. I think you got the declaration of independence on as well. I some kind of document yeah yeah yeah yeah. Who's Justin Posey? This is him as a kid. Okay, that's that's him and some other kid so now that's his brother branded. That's his brother Brandon. Okay, he's a child of the eighties. He like many children of the eighties, 01:42 got into like. I don't know what you call it with the right word is he was one of those kids in the eighties who got into computers and technology, but like the like building stuff. You know that was the era of computer world where computer world was not like like this. Yeah, but not even just not even just hardware. It was like 02:09 in that era, like you could do stuff with computers sure, but a lot of the people were really into computers. They were doing stuff that was just not. It wasn't practical yet, like there wasn't a lot of uses of it. There was, but a lot of the people who did him as like a hobby. It was like you were tinkering, you know, okay, so he was a big tinkerer growing up as the point. I'm trying to make. He was a big tinkerer. He got into University of Arizona. He grew up in New Mexico, went to University of Arizona and 02:39 started career in tech. He became like a big software engineer guy okay and moves to Washington State, where he works for probably Microsoft. I don't know for sure okay. It's a little so posy. He did several computers, but kind of like tinkering right and he was just kind of like 03:09 you know what saying? Just kind of tinkering and then he moved to Washington State and he worked for maybe Microsoft, but I don't know anything about this guy. I showed you two pictures. Oh sorry. The only thing I know about this guy is what he looks like now and what he looked like as a child, his truck and now I know what he drives. I guess 03:40 yeah. This is all I got to say about all right now, so he moves to Washington works probably for Microsoft. I'm setting the stage. Okay is good. Yeah a second. I got to set the stage on who Justin Posey is okay works as a software engineer sure, but he also like here's the thing. We don't know a lot about his personal life, but what we do know is that he has a variety of hobbies and with those hobbies he does a few things. 04:10 he allegedly tinkers with a lot of different devices to this day and is working on maybe x ray vision. I don't know for sure like it's a little a little gray. He's a big outdoors man likes the likes camping like going out and doing at rosy stuff was probably don't know this for sure. Remember a little quiet about his personal life might have been a boy scout. There's pretty good chances there 04:44 to my god before this episode started. He said is this a good episode as yes is a great one and you're going. We don't know about his personal life, but he might have been and this is up for speculation. Allegedly we don't know for sure, but he could have been and this is this is kind of you know again. This is me guessing. I don't know, but he might and like we don't know for sure there's no document. Looking it up. He might. I don't know 05:13 it might have been a boy scout. Tell the story buddy. This is getting ridiculous. You don't have to flounder for half an hour and then get the end be like any made a treasure map and you're this is actually. This was interesting the whole time. 05:27 this was interesting the whole time it took forever to get here. You just decided not to be interested. We've got this guy who tinkers or computers might have worked for Microsoft and was maybe a boy scout. We don't know anything else. Maybe it was as a kid as a kid wore more goofy hats next to his brother and then drives a truck that is that screams mentally and emotionally stay. So why don't you tell me about him? 05:54 instead of so we know publicly guessing about it, quit guessing about him. That's all we know. There's not a lot of information about him. I expect a random dude on people you may know. 06:08 I was like, let me tell you about this guy that I may know, but I don't know a lot about him. 06:16 all right. I'll get to the mean potatoes, the mean potatoes, yes, because I feel like we could actually we could stretch the mean. Here's what I'm saying. You'll pick a topic and you bet there's only twenty minutes of material for this. Now the interesting stuff we could stretch, but we end up stretching the not interesting stuff yeah. Yeah, that's fair. 06:38 and I'm on a walk right now. Future Jaron is listening. I quality control these. I make sure I listen to him before we put him out and make sure that it's all good. I don't and funny and I'm on a walk right now and I am freaking. I'm throwing rocks at cars and does that make me culpable? Yeah, because it's me doing it. You're doing it through me and and I'm so frustrated 07:07 because you're not telling the story. Oh okay. I'll tell the story. I allegedly threw rocks at cars. Okay, so in the eighties allegedly he was a kid. 07:20 okay. I know so in two thousand ten he's a guy. I told you he's got a wide yeah right, interests and hobby interests. Yeah he he also has this kind of side hobby that he does where he's like a collector. He collects a lot of rare items from everything from like old video games to like movie probs to historical items to coins like he's just a collector of all things you know. 07:49 and so in two thousand and ten he hears about this thing where a bunch of people are going out in the rocky mountains trying to find this buried treasure. 08:01 And he says, that sounds interesting. I like the sound of Berry Dredge. 08:12 and so he start. says I'm going to look for it, so you go on the internet. 08:22 I'm being dead serious right now. This is I'm so serious right now, but this is unbelievable. It might be a follow up. was doing a 08:43 sit back down. 08:46 I swear if I sit back down and you do a little bit like two more minutes and then you go okay, he had nothing to do with that. I'm going to flip this table over and I don't care if your laptop gets destroyed. I don't know if this is this is a little table. It's a bowl. It's the one thing I looked at when you sent to me on Amazon. Is it could I flip that flip that you put it in a chat? Gbt's I really miss under I followed a follow Gary V for a while. He was like dude. 09:10 all you got to do to get rich is go flip some furniture on craigslist and I was like easy, easy and so I started showing people's houses, flipping the furniture, their furniture. They were like, why did you do that? Because I was like, you told me you had this for sale on craigslist. Yeah, like yeah, and I said, I'm here to flip it. Yeah, and I'll be honest. I've tried to flip a house before. I have much more respect for the people who've done it really hard. It's really hard to do. So now that we've done a little, that was a little haha bit. Would you like a little joke? This is the formula for the episode. 09:39 is that Tim flowners a little bit. We do a little ha ha bit and then now he's going to tell us what the actual topic of the story is yeah. So in twenty ten he finds out about this treasure hunt and he's like oh, that sounds interesting. I'm looking for a thing to do yeah, so goes on Amazon and he buys a book by an author named Forest fan. Okay, I'm not going to lie. So here's the deal. Here's the deal. 10:07 I really wanted this to be the sort of thing where it was like I could find something interesting about Justin and talk about him for like fifteen minutes and then like all of a sudden drop this, but there's nothing interesting about Justin until he does this. Okay yeah, I was picking that up, so I was like I wonder if I could just talk about it, so he was searching the play yeah okay, okay, so he he was one of the treasure hunters 10:33 and so he got really involved in it. This is a fun thing. Isn't this a good time? We're like we're looping into other episodes. This is a good move. Sam. This is great, but he was in the eighties. He was a nerd. Okay, so he's so he's he starts doing the hunt right. Okay, he is very involved in the public forums, very involved online doing for his friends, treasure hunt and 11:01 consistently on like boots on the ground going and doing searches yeah and while he at the very early stages he learns. What I want to illustrate is that this is a creative he goes 11:18 think this is about his granddaughter. 11:26 Forrest Finn Grandad. 11:30 his granddaughter is Mila Kounas. She's cute, not my type, but if she's the treasure, she's a treasure, he's a creative guy, so he finds out if I can win her creepy. It's the thrill of the chase, so did you even read the book? 11:57 so he he knows that the treasure is bronze is in a bronze yeah. Why does he know box because that's what for says for us is in a bronze bronze box chest, so he starts training his dog. He says oh dogs can smell underground pretty good and he says he's had a nice girlfriend who could smell pretty good. 12:23 her name was joy yeah, she started saying she could smell. 12:30 My sadness. You smell sad today. 12:38 Are you okay? You smell sad, you smell sad yeah. I actually was training his dog to smell bronze yeah, and so he starts. I mean doing what you do and you train a dot you you give them a treat and some bronze and then you get a treat and some bronze and then you give them a treat and some bronze and then you give them just some bronze and then they know oh hey. I like bronze yeah. 13:05 I don't know. I don't trade my dogs sure. I know we can all tell so he trains his dog and so he's doing these tests. He's burying bronze with the tree is what he's doing. He's bearing bronze with the treat and then eventually he stops bearing it with the treat and throughout slowly scaling that up. He realizes his dog could smell bronze up to four feet underground and so he says this is perfect. So he starts taking his dog out on these locations where he thinks this could be and he's like. I know I could walk past an area once 13:33 if my dog smells bronze, we got it. If my dog doesn't smell bronze and here and so okay, so he gets very confident here. He gets very confident going around the woods in the mountains trying to find this treasure, but he's having a hard time like he's not obviously as years. He doesn't find it because he's an early hunter early like twenty ten. He started and so he software engineer. He has a bright idea 14:02 He says I can make a computer program and. For us is out here doing all these interviews. If I make this computer program that does facial recognition, then I can have it pick up micro expressions on his face and find whenever he has a fear response and that would suggest to me that he's lying and or he knows he's given something away and so I could figure out the location of this treasure. 14:28 by examining his face. I'm not gonna get me. 14:36 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 15:03 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 15:21 I just make weird faces all the time to throw people off the scent just in case they're doing facial recognition software on me to try to figure out if I'm lying so Tony, that's why I always do my face. I about that thing we talked about the other day. I took care of it. I and you're like, you why you doing that with your face? I just in case the police are using face recognition. You know how it is these days. They got all this you're freaking crazy dude. 15:49 stop doing that with your face man. I'm going to be honest with you. I can't stop. I've been practicing and now it's stuck like this yeah stuck, stuck, doing that, stuck and can't stay stuck yeah. Okay, I'm tracking with you, so he makes. can't read your face. Okay, this is a little crazy to be like. Okay, I'm going to feed these videos to a computer yeah. Okay, so he 16:19 puts together this algorithm and long story short, after examining hundreds of our tell the long story, we got nothing but time so long story. He feeds in a hundred different videos and the videos they're arranging on all over every topic. Public access, TV, good morning America, it's all different things he's yeah and it examines all his facial expressions and it realizes the most common location he talks about when he has a fear response is Yellowstone National Park. 16:48 so he becomes very confident. It must be somewhere in Yellowstone National Park, so he starts using the poem to for his solves and orienting it in Yellowstone National Park. Spends all this time doing searches in Yellowstone. He brings his little brother Brandon with him. They go up through Yellowstone and they actually end up finding a specific stone in Yellowstone, not the Yellowstone, but just a specific 17:14 a specific like big boulder in Yellowstone. Yeah, they take a picture next to that and they realize. Oh, this is a picture that forest has taken a picture from he's posted this picture online of him with a brown trout from when he was like twenty and so this is a spot that he's been to before yeah and then we have like photographic record that he's been here before. Those pictures I don't have that picture now and so I promise exists. 17:43 and so he becomes very confident that it's at this location sure he continues searching for the treasure throughout all of the scandals we've talked about yeah and the last episode. If you haven't listened to last episode, go check it out. He continues searching for the treasure, his brother and him go out a couple times and then the treasure is found and we talked about there was that whole scandal of well. Where is it? You're not going to tell us where it is 18:12 Justin gets very like obsessed with. need to find where this treasure was and so he continues searching for it and he's actually the one I told you people were looking for the to match that spot in the photo. Yeah, he was the one who was like I'm going to go find that spot yeah and he continues searching for it and two years after the they came out and said was found that picture was posted. He found the location 18:42 in Yellowstone National Park where that treasure was and he ended up reaching out never hit it though well, so he reached out to Jack and he showed it to Jack and Jack was like yeah. I can confirm that that's the location and it was the spot in Yellowstone right off the highway. I don't believe he walked across waited across the river into this brush and about a hundred yards into the brush. He found a spot where 19:09 there was an indentation the same size where the box was sitting in the dirt or the indentation yeah. Do we have a no? We don't have that picture, not real and this is easy case, and he matched even how police work works by the way is that you just go. Do we have any evidence of that? No all right, it's funny you should say that because there was another group of people that were looking for this and they've said in interviews 19:38 they never found it. They were way off. They actually it was this father and these two sons and they also lived in a location in the map in the book, like in the map. I technically yes, because this is in Yellowstone, but like that map was the whole rocky. So technically yes, but it's like zoomed out a lot. You know like it was never close enough for you to know for sure sure, but yes, technically it was in that look within that map. Okay, 20:05 but the this this family, the father and the two sons, they became very convinced that they found the spot where it was because wasn't that they found this spot where there was like a boulder that had rolled down the hill and covered up this one spot and so they thought they thought that he pushed a boulder down the hill to cover the spot where he wanted to bury it because he could control where the boulder landed yeah and so they spent. not even kidding over a year and a half trying to break up this boulder and eventually they blew it up with TNT 20:35 and then they dug underneath where it was and it wasn't there. They were they were really mad about it. Anyways, they were so confident. They said in an interview they were like they're like yeah. If you have coincidence, if you have one coincidence, that's one thing you have to coincide. That's one thing, but if you have coincidence after coincidence, after coincidence, after coincidence and then his dad pipes in his dad's like that's evidence and that's not true. It sounds true, but it's not true anyways. That's just a sidebar. 21:04 so he finds this location comes out says I found the location of the original treasure. Meanwhile, he's also going down to the auction house in Santa Fe trying to see okay, and so before it sells, he actually is in negotiation with them to buy the whole lot because he wants it and remember he's a software developer. You saw his house sure you saw it. I mean he's got he's got some money yeah, and so he goes down to Santa Fe puts in an offer tries to buy it and 21:34 it looks like he's pretty close to getting it, but from the conversations and the way offer to buy what to buy the treasure. So jack with the treasure and an auction house to sell. He's trying to buy the whole thing yeah. He's trying to buy the whole treasure okay, and so he goes in to put an offer on the treasure and it looks like that's going forward. I my guess is that the auction house goes to jack and the auction house says that we think you could make more money if you sell all these pieces individually. 22:03 I don't know what the offer was that he put on it, so I don't know what that total would have been. It sounded like it came close to happening, but eventually fell through. He sells it an auction and so Justin was a was pretty upset about this, but he's still went to that auction, bought as many pieces as he could. He was able to buy this wristband from the auction okay, and he also compiled a handful of his own collection. 22:32 and he said you know that was really fun. Yeah. What if I did it yeah, and so he puts together that was really fun and there was never out there, but what if I pretended 22:50 What have I imagined? So he puts together his own treasure and so this has some pieces from the original treasure yeah that he bought at auction and also has a handful of pieces he had compiled throughout the court course of his life. He says that this is over a million easily over a million dollars worth of items in this treasure okay, and then he goes and he launches a website and puts out a book called Beyond the Maps Edge. 23:21 and in this book and on this website, there's a poem. We got a grift. Let me read it to you. 23:35 it says home. Can you find what lives in time flowing through each measured rhyme? Wisdom waits in shadowed site for those who read these words just right as hope surges clear and bright walk near water silent height flight. I was going to say that spelled wrong, but it's cursive. This is hard to read. Okay, for real though about how so much of my life is attached to you. 24:05 and how much I trust and on you for real for real read for real though. Can you read from here? You've got better eyes in me yeah. The last word on the second line of the second paragraph light. I know you know because I already so but you look at that that no f l looks like an h the f l looks like an h doesn't know whatever above it is an h. No, it's not yeah above it is a br. Oh yeah, that looks more like an h than the oh yeah. 24:34 it's so far. Let me see. I'll read it okay yeah. Go ahead, whatever man, because you're bad at reading he round the Ben's high past the whole hole is capitalized. That's something that's Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Maybe I wait for you to cast your pole 24:59 in Ursa East, his realm awaits his bride stands guard at ancient gains. That's his grand daughter, her foot of three at twenty degree. 25:12 return her face to find the place double arcs on granite bold where secrets of the past still hold beyond the reach of time. Swift race wonder guards this sacred place. Truth rests not in clever minds, not entangled twisted finds like a river steady flow. What you seek you already know 25:45 Is that the end of it? 25:48 Is that it? 25:53 yeah, so he puts this out. This website launches the book launches a couple weeks ago and a couple weeks ago, a couple weeks ago. Let me check the exact date. Hold on. What is the what's the west side? It is called treasure dot quest. 26:16 to pay and at least eighteen years old. Why am I having the? Why am I having to do an eligibility? It's because he knows like he watched what happened with for his fan and he's like oh, I'm going to be a little bit more safe for me, so I don't have any legal liabilities here. You know, but he don't look at it. Don't look at you're going to spoil some stuff, but eight day. It was eight days ago, eight days ago. This launches this website launches this book releases. We're going to find this thing the same day someone found it. 26:46 the same one just out on a random hike and like what was this box? What's in that box? The same day he releases this website in the book Netflix puts out a documentary about forest fan as a three part documentary called gold and greed, the hunt for fence treasure and this documentary series. Justin Posey is one of the interviewees. This this interview is from 27:16 yeah, his time on the show. He knew he's so the whole documentary. Justin's telling his story of his experience hunting the treasure of the times he was close, very in documentary. goes by the way, and so I just hid one good luck. That's netflix even better actually. I don't you still watching 27:44 it pops up as I don't get that anymore. I don't get this still watching and this is true because I have to pee way more often than I used to, so I pause a TV or the bathroom way more than I used to, so that's me. That's me. You know, yeah, it knows I never get your interact watching anymore. Nah yeah, it's been a long time, so I've got that too. That's because we're getting older and our prostrates are growing. It's interesting. 28:10 it's interesting though, going or growing and you got to get your prostate checked. 28:21 And there's a guy in my neighborhood who does it for seven dollars. 28:30 he doesn't have the circle. Okay, there's a well there's there's two there's like a lemonade stand and then across the street. There's a guy who's just like prostate exams seven bucks. You know his kids are gonna learn that everything is legit. It's legit legit. He wears a lab coat. I tell you no no gloves. Reds just too expensive in Los Angeles, so you had to do it on the street. Yeah man, it's pretty crazy. Yeah, he's got a little little 28:59 sheet he puts up this white fold. Will you hold it please? You have to hold it for your own, but for real you should get your prostate checked to a guy, especially like over forty. I think is when you got to start doing that because you're growing prostate. It's like an actual issue, sponsored, not sponsored just 29:29 this just general health, but the guy in the corner of your street yeah. He was like he's a hey, hey, use code walk up to him and you how much it costs for an ad on your podcast. Honestly, not a lot. We don't got a lot of advertisers right now. Whatever you give me a promo code. We'll call it what kind of deal. So I get fifteen percent of every process and that you do from that guy on the street corner. 29:54 and use code Jaron. Hey Jaren, okay, all of this told of the sheet. That's wow, it's a bad bit. 30:11 Hey, real quick before we get to the podcast, just want to make sure you know that I am going on tour in June with the church comedy tour with Shama, Marama and Mike Goodwin. It's going to be a really fun time. I would love for you to show up. You can find tickets for that at jaronmyers.com slash shows. So all of my shows are listed there, but specifically this tour and they told me that if you don't buy tickets to this, it's going to be six more weeks of winter jam and they're 30:36 they're never going to let mercy me quit touring if they can't figure out how to replace them. You know I'm saying so you guys got to buy tickets to our tour so that they can give the other options. Just so you know on the website for for TPR is ninja kids. That's real. That's my competition, so I don't like them. I take us to my shows. You just Google it and injure kids with the Z. 31:05 Jeremyers.com slash shows. 31:14 so this is one of those bits. I'm going to be listening in the car with my wife and she go jaren. That's where I know it's really good. That's what know we done something really funny. Anytime my wife listens, just jaren I go. Oh yeah, that's killer. The thirteen year olds listen to this are laughing so hard right now. 31:34 Oh my goodness, so he you know what else is a killer prostate cancer. Oh my God, and if you don't get your prostate checked, you may be at higher risk. This is a public health announcement P H a 31:55 Hahahaha 32:02 So at the end of this documentary. 32:09 so the end of the documentary, the documentary happens right. The everyone shows their stories yeah. He talks about how he wanted to buy it and he was really hoping that he could buy it and re force ever die yeah. Remember he died. It's right died and kept his secrets with him yeah and so Justin was really disappointing because he wanted to just rebury the treasure or rehide the treasure, but he couldn't do that. Oh, that's why he wanted to buy. Yeah, he wanted to rehide it. 32:38 And so he bought pieces of it and he went and he said, I hid a new treasure. And he said, I've just launched a website. I just put out a book with hints and with the poem guiding you to the location. And he said, and throughout this documentary, I have snuck hints into all of my interviews and the producers, none of them knew about it. And so watch this again. 33:07 and see if you can figure out where my hints are. So throughout the whole time he said, I don't know what's going to make it through the cutting room floor. I don't know what hints are going to make it. But and then they had like a disclaimer. They said we have nothing to do with this. We didn't know he was going to do this. But he, I guess in all of his interviews was sneaking in hints and they there's now been a whole new insurgence of people trying to research this and they're studying the background of his 33:35 of his house and so everyone's saying. I think there are things that he set up in his house that are hints. His backgrounds might be hints on his computer. Okay, there's even a scene halfway through the documentary where he walks up and he just turns the hands on his clock for no. Oh yeah, I noticed the time is I was like that's definitely not a like a that's a that clock is not on right now as a fake clock. That's the first thing I noticed. Is it really 34:02 No, I notice how big is Adams Apple is the second thing I noticed was that clock. I was a little bit the shadow protruding from the middle of his neck. That's crazy, that's crazy, so everything you should get that checked out by a doc. I know a guy 34:35 I like the idea that this guy in the street corner thinks that all the other dudes are doing CSS is just stick your fingers. 34:47 now you're good. It feels normal, feels like a throat. All right, you want to their exam? Oh, yes, I'm thin fingers. You're Adam Apple for big 35:11 surprise to say. just like a paper you're good. You're free to go. have insurance go, an insurance you paying cash today for seven dollars. Pretty sure to big guy in you accept insurance. Yeah, I this is a professional business. I don't have an office. Yeah, I'm bored. I'm board certified all my life today. What do you want? What do you expect here? Yeah, that's really insulting. You say that yeah yeah 35:38 I got street midges, don't ever compare me to a stream magician. 35:46 I'm a real doctor. I'm a real boy, so so he's hidden these secrets yeah, so he's hidden. He's hidden his own treasure and it's becoming its own thing. It's it's gone viral. How many books you sold? I don't know how many he sold, but it's already a bestseller on Amazon. Am I right guys? Am I right? Here's the thing. Here's a good play. It's a really good marketing move. Here's the thing about him. Now yeah he 36:15 he took his brother out to look for the treasure and his brother passed away in the middle of the hunt, not like while they were hunting, but like in the middle of this twenty ten hunting segment, and so for him, this is kind of like a memorial thing for his brother. He says like I'm want to I want to we couldn't find it together and so now I wanted to continue it to honor them. They add actually he was one of the people that for us said were 36:43 within feet of it because he took a picture at that rock. That rock was where it where the treasure was. It was in the brush behind that rock, but they just didn't happen to find it. Part of the reason why he thinks he couldn't find it is because that was yellowstone and I yellowstone. can't bring your dogs and so he's like if I could have brought my dog that day, he said. I think I we would have found it that day, but the re your dog yo so yeah. I think there are certain areas in yellow, so you can't bring your dog, maybe the whole thing. I don't know, so he replant replanted it re hit it 37:13 and for him, it seems like it could be in a bigger location because he's got a picture, a picture on his website like the main like the banner image on his website here. I'll show it to you real quick is most of the country is Alaska and then pretty much all of the west cool, so it seems like there's a larger area. This could be hidden great 37:40 and he's right now is kind of on an interview circus. He's circuit, circus, circuit, which this kind of sucks. This isn't narrowed down at all. Well, here's the thing though he is doing like this interview circuit and he's doing a ton of podcast interviews where he's answering a lot of questions and I feel like between his book, between his website and one thing he's doing to is every time he does an interview, he's like all add that to the website and so every 38:08 answer question he's answering. He's adding to the website and that's kind of one of the things he's doing is he realized that a lot of the danger with forests search was that there was so much in big disconnected yeah. It so disconnected, so he's like he's like I'm trying to make the website one source of truth, whereas hands come out and different things come out as all in one place, and so he's trying to make it a little bit safer. I think, but in doing so from listening to some of these podcasts, 38:37 I don't think that this charge is going to last as long well yeah yeah yeah because it's kind of like you're making it too safe yeah yeah and so it's making it a little bit more yeah. I mean there's no risk that I'm going to die yeah. Why would I do something if I'm not going to die doing it? That's what I said to the doctor. I Could this kill me? No, absolutely not. It's a safe procedure great. Why would I do it then? 39:01 got a little bit of risk involved yeah yeah speaking to risk. This is totally unrelated, but I did want to show you this picture sure a screenshot of a tweet that Justin made this hour. This is him tweeting at Brian Johnson, because he found a typo on one of his supplements or something okay like the bright the wet gecko Brian Johnson. I know Brian on so yeah. That just gives you an idea of who Justin posy 39:30 That's all I real life. Justin Brian Johnson, small typo and you're labeling fyi and do think Brian Johnson's reading his Twitter mentions? He's gonna go oh, oh, let's get this to the team yeah. He might be. I mean this was what is that twenty twenty three? So you think he was? Was he big then my mentions? Was he big then yeah? I explains why you don't answer any my Twitter mentions. Do you mention me on Twitter all the time? I don't check it out. That's that's why we never hang out. 40:00 because that's where I was asking to hang out. All of your tweets are hey man, what I go so okay, so the website again is treasure dot quest treasure, not quest and it's it's his revival of the the forest for spend hunt and so in there in his in his treasure, he says it's a sixty pound treasure 40:30 and it's got Pamp Susie kilogram bars of gold, gold flakes, gold dust and more just miscellaneous gold items, large emeralds, rubies and amethists and then it's artifacts throughout history, including a third cushion dynasty. I hate this what on the website yeah he's got an e book and he's got a hard cover. 40:56 he says astute readers may notice subtle differences between the e book and the hard cover. Those differences are intentional interesting, so you got to get both smart, it's smart, it's pretty smart and so he's got the website. He's got the yeah, but the website doesn't all the stuff where I go guys. It's just marketing. It's just deploy. It's just the thing is a large media right. You can spend them. You can spend a million dollars on a chest shut up. You spend a million dollars on a treasure chest, but you're going to make 41:24 15 million on book sales and speaking and well, here's the most exciting part about all this. How exciting is he's I don't know exactly how he set this up, but there is a there is a crypto component that grows with each book sale. So the crypto cash is growing with every time the book sells. I think maybe he's buying crypto with a percentage of his sale sale and when you find it, you bring it to him and then you get that crypto cash. 41:51 So it's also you also get a bunch of scheme cool. So it's the physical treasure and it's also a digital treasure. Wow, I'm less interested in it. Now that I saw that like where he's just like I have an e book and a hard book and there's little differences in there. If you can tell it, but you have to get both shut up. Justin, here's the thing man. There's typos in your book 42:21 FYI. 42:26 Yeah. We need to buy it now and find one so we can why you buy the hard cover yeah there we go there. We go. We can find the differences yeah, so this is ongoing. If you find it, I think we have to get a cut because we told you about. think legally you have to give us a by listening to this episode. You agree to that so yeah so legally bummer for you yeah should have listened to this episode. Should we go look for it? We should why not? Yeah, but you have a kid on the way 42:55 I don't got nothing to do though. I'm a look for it. Why not do while you're on tour? You're going to places listed in this map. Yeah West Texas is on here. That's close to where you're going to find it. What if I found it in an Amarillo gas station? He put it in a loves gas station guys. 43:13 it's in the like toilet back. No, it's in the it's in the gift. You know how truck stops have those gift things for their kids because like you feel back you're on the road all time and so you just buy a stuffed animal from a gas station yeah yeah yeah it's there. They don't know it yeah yeah well. That's what saying. What is somebody stumbles upon it and has no idea it's related to all the stuff. Well, that was what's interesting about forests treasure and force treasure for us had listed off everything that was in his treasure and when they found it 43:43 there was two items missing from the treasure and so when Jack brought it, Jack said hey, there's these two items missing and forces like hold on and so force looks around his house is like. Oh, I didn't put this in it. I thought I did he's like you can have this, but then the second item, the second item, they have no idea what what happened to it and so either forest is an old man and it was wrong, which is pretty likely or somebody one on the treasure took one thing out of it, which is also pretty unlikely, huh, so it's 44:12 most likely the first thing, but we got to get started finding this thing, so fiddle on. I guess fiddle on 44:27 Hey, if you liked this episode, might enjoy another episode we did called the Latitude Society. It was a secret society, was almost like a treasure map type thing, but it was, you had to get an invite, you got this weird card, and you show up to this building, and then you go through this elaborate maze, this art installation. Really fun, really great episode. You can go check that out. Next week's episode is available right now on Patreon. That is a way for you to support our show. You get access to a Discord with us and Alex and a... 44:52 a lot of our other fans make new friends who are all talking about our show and also talking about other bunch different stuff. You know, this conversation other bunch different stuff and you know thanks for thanks for being here. This is an evergreen podcast. You can check out evergreen podcast dot com. They do stuff so thanks for being here. We'll see you next week.