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00:00 It's very easy to look at history and say oh, I would never go along with that, but 00:06 you probably would weak, spineless little coward. You're such a coward today. We're talking about the story of Mr. Ron Jones, who's a history teacher in the sixties, but didn't experiment to demonstrate to his students how people fell for the German government in the forties. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast where I teach this guy thinks and he makes fun of me, and so if you don't like that, you might not like this show. 00:34 we joke around. get to the we get to the story. You learn a lot, but we're gonna laugh a lot away, so it's gonna be a good time. Great time. This episode comes out in April and so I don't have a lot of shows in April because Easter's happening, but there's some shows in May and then I am on tour in June. The church comedy tour is making a run back the first two weeks of June. Yeah, praise God and it's so yeah, come to those. All my dates are on my website, jaron Myers dot com slash shows. 01:03 we record these so far in advance that I don't know which dates I can tell you about. That's why I'm being like a there's dates, you know, but there I promise you they're happening. So June, the church comedy tour, me, Shama, Marama, my good one. It's going to be a really fun time in the summer, so we'll hope to see you there. 01:19 All right. Hey man, hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the third wave? That's I don't even want to do the third wave. What about Ron Jones? Have you ever heard of Ron Jones? Both of these things sound pretty alien to me. Oh, not at all. Here's a big sounds like the guy who like mows yards in your neighborhood for a living. Somehow that's like his job close. This is a picture of him. I'll show you a picture of him. Here's he here he is. 01:48 Ron Jones for everyone listening. This is a black and white photo and a black and white photo. I'm describing it. He, this is clearly like the 1953, you know, just a normal dude who he'd looks like he's mid thirties or forties. Yeah. Probably he's a Mormon missionary. Oh, 02:13 I can see it. I can see he does have the short sleeve button up on the button up. Yeah, you're right. Their uniform. Yeah, you're right. I here he is today. Why do the Mormons get their own emoji? You know, I'm talking about little sources, but I don't think that that was intentional. I don't think that they were like, oh, this is a Mormon. That's a Mormon. No, they didn't say that. They weren't. They didn't say that. You know what they said? This is a, this is a latter day saint. Is Mormon derogatory? They don't like the term they're trying to. They're trying to get really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah. Cause I think it's like 02:42 Yeah, they don't go by Mormon anymore. They go by the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints, because of all the, you know, weird stuff that have like, I don't know if that's, I don't actually know why. I just know they're trying to get away from the world. I have never heard of that. Well, anyways, here's Ron. We have a lot of Mormon listeners and they don't like how many times we've made fun of I'm trying to communicate. I've never made fun of I haven't either, but I'm telling, I'm trying to communicate like, I get your culture. 03:09 I get it. You know we just think you're freaking weird. I get your culture, but I'm gonna be like yeah, so Ron Jones, so right, yeah, so Ron Jones, not a Mormon, not a Mormon, not a one knows out of Mormon, but is a latter day Saint, anyways, yeah, this is you're correct. This is an older photo. Yeah, here's a modern photo of him. 03:36 I love his shirt and here is a of whatever here's a here's a modern phone. Don't kind of that's a two. That's a two tone shirt. That is a good shirt. I will show you that's one shirt on the front. That's a shirt on the back. That's an expensive shirt right there. That shirt that is what's looking at that's a crazy pattern, a crazy back and then here he is doing a Joe Biden impression. 04:05 you can see it. don't know if he's just old and talking guys. It's just a big point that he does. Old people do that. I wasn't here, but all fingers down. They do this. This is how they all old people point. It's all and you can see they're excited. You see that the hand is blurry because it's shaking. Yeah, you know they do it. They go, but Jack listen to your Jack 04:34 I guess we could tell the story. This guy, Rod Jones, he's a teacher was a history teacher and in nineteen sixty seven, April of nineteen sixty seven, they're in the middle of history, third wave. Yeah. And so they're in the first in the first week of April, nineteen sixty seven. He's teaching classes, and a little bit about Ron Jones, Ron Mr. Jones. We should call him because he's the teacher, Mr. Jones. He was he was the teacher that every kid loved to get like he was kind of like the fun teacher who would 05:04 always when he taught, he didn't just sit in lecture and give a homework. Like he did those things where it was like they're like big activities, you know, and it's like you're getting in the class involved. It's kind of like the my captain, my captain kind of teacher, you know, like you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like everyone's just engaged. So what is that from class? Oh, it's the always stands up on the desk. What's that movie called? Oh no, flubber 05:37 What is it? What's a dead poses, head, poet society? Thank you, thank you, flubber, the yours, you're like, I know you're going to able to recall the movie. I just don't know stuff. 05:57 I just said, don't know, okay, whatever. So Mr. was the fun teacher. Everybody loved to have Mr. Jones in class, but it wasn't just that he was just a fun, like, wax teacher. It wasn't like he's like the, I'm the cool dad. It was like he was actually a teacher who taught his kids, his kids learned stuff, but he had fun along the way. He engaged his class. was a good teacher, is my point, the point I'm trying to make. And so in April 1967, they are going through the unit on the Holocaust. 06:26 one student asks him a question that I think happens pretty much in every history class when they go through this unit, which is just like, Hey, Mr. Jones, why did the German people go along with this? Like, why did so many people like fall for this and like fall for what the Nazi regime was trying to do? Right. And so he can erect his brain. Is everyone looking back just goes, no, I wouldn't. Yeah, I would never fall for that. Yeah. And so he wanted to illustrate to his class how it was so easy to fall into. 06:55 like an authoritarian fascist regime. Yeah. And he kind of racked his brain trying to come up with a way to teach us. got to become a fascist. And so he decides he's going to do an experiment with his class. And so what he does is like the whole blue eye, green eye thing in the class. Is that what he did? It's very similar. It's not, it's not, that's not him, but it's actually very similar. Yeah. And so he tells his class, Hey, today we're going to 07:23 we're going to do an experiment sure and it says here's I need you guys to play along and here's how this works. He said if you join in on the experiment with me and you fall online and you follow all my orders and you participate, you'll get an a and he says if you don't participate, if you're not a part of what I do and if you try to rebel, you'll get enough unless you start a rebellion that wins. If you start a rebellion that wins that all good days and you then know you as the rebellion get an a 07:52 and everyone else who doesn't rebel. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. If you, if you start rebelling the winds, then all the people who rebelled, yeah, yeah. And so he says, here are the rules. He said, he said, when the bell rings, you're going to come to class and you're, you're going to sit down at your seats and you're going to listen closely. It's just the normal rules of school. No, says, he says, you're going to come in, you're going to get in before the second bell rings. You're going to sit down at your seats and you're going to sit attentive and wait for me to walk in the room. When I walk in the room, you're going to say good morning, Mr Jones. And then 08:22 Whenever you have a question, you're going to stand up, you're going to preface any question with Mr. Jones, and then you're going to ask your question in three words or less, which is pretty insane. so you get your... Jones, me go pee. 08:41 Mr. Jones, why follow Nazi? 08:49 Mr. Jones. 08:55 This is really hard, actually. I know you really got to think through your questions. 09:01 Is God real Mr. Jones, God's not dead. That's I was going for. Yeah, so everything has to be in three words or less. Okay, and so they came into class that day, came in, sat down, did their seat, took their seats. He walks in and they all say hello Mr. Jones Jones and then they they're doing the thing. He walks up to the white board and I guess it was a chop one at the time. 09:27 he writes on the walls. Yeah, we should do an episode of white boards. When those get invented, I can't think of a better episode of more riveting top. It's gonna be better than whatever we just did a couple of weeks ago. What was the one we just did that was bad? We said an episode that wasn't good, but I don't remember which one it was. don't know. What do you, what do you, uh, oh, Harold Von Braunhut. You didn't like that one. You like that guy. I remember. Yeah, there you go. You got it. So right. 09:56 strength through discipline on the blackboard. And says, we are the most disciplined people in the school and we are going to project that discipline to everybody else in the school. How disciplined we are. Passes out arm sleeves for them all the way. We're going to project our strength to the whole school. And so then he drills them on getting in and sitting down quicker and he times them. And so he's like, we're going to try this again. And he keeps timing them to try to get the fastest time that they can to get to their seat and sit down really, really quick. And this is really all he intended. 10:26 was he said, okay, I'm going to come in, I'm going to do this, I'm going to show them how quickly they fall in line and want to like obey orders when someone like who's very authoritative leads them to follow orders. So he kind of does this whole class, drills them on it, tells them about the strength of discipline and how to get an A and all this stuff. Expects this to be the end of it. Class is dismissed, everyone goes home, he goes home, he sits down and he gets home, he sits down at his recliner, pops a cold one. 10:56 his wife's yelling at him. His kids are crying. He lies up a cigarette. This is an intensive husband or father sixties. He falls asleep seven drinks deep wakes up the next morning. I don't know if any of this happened, but it's the sixties. It's pretty like he dropped his cigarette on the floor. Yeah, his grabbed his wife and got adiously combusted his wife spontaneously, combusted, spontaneously, combusted 11:24 Have you heard you know that you know remember how people used to think speaking of authoritative? Hey, 11:35 I'm going to time you see how long it takes you to sign up for Patreon. Ooh yeah. Time starts. Hey, I'm trying. I'm trying to start the time out. Talking when I'm talking about that. You don't talk to and stop. don't talk when a man talks really hard to stop. All right. I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be joined us on Patreon. I'm trying to be disciplined here or I'll bully you. You better join us on Patreon. I'm going to punch you all in line. 12:05 fall in line this summer at Toyota dealership for the Toyota thought marketing was just being very authoritative. Someone on camera smoking a pipe just buy this Jeep, buy this jam for $28. He asked me to, he's the leader and ask this little question I need to 12:33 I have a few too many words, three honestly dude freaking pretty clutch. Too many words. I have a question and no too many words narrow it down to start with my name. Start with my name. Start with my name. Okay, so he goes home that night before you went off and was hurt. Tangent. Yeah, it goes home that night. I don't know. Does whatever he does at night and then comes back to 13:00 walks in the classroom and the class is all seated at their seat, hands crossed. And then he walks in and they say, good morning, Mr. Jones. And he sees them and he thinks, Oh, they're still doing this. he's like, but this way this is one, this was day two. This is day two. Yeah. So he comes back, he expected it to be a one class session and he expected the message to hit home that class to be like, Oh, we all fell in line. Yeah. Everyone gets in a, but they didn't get it. And like, so he came back and they're all still doing it. And he's like, Oh, 13:31 okay, I see what I have to do. This is how to go, which wife is a teacher. What if now years later this is heralded as this big social experiment that he pulled off in this big lesson that he taught these kids right? Here's what I think actually happened. I think it's the sixties. I think you're a history teacher. I think this group of kids sucks, and so you go hey guys, we're gonna do this experiment. 14:00 where everyone comes in and they shot off and you can't say more like you walk to the next day and they're like hello Mr Jones and he's like this worked. He's like oh so well my gosh he literally is like hold on. I'll be back in a second and he goes to the teachers. Guys guys guys guys guys. You just got to frame it as an experience. You just got to be a dictator. just got to be a dictator. The rule by strength, strength, you're squash descent you have 14:29 Don't let him say more than three words, three words. That's it. Yeah, I found the secret. He wrote a book called the secret and so yeah, he walks in and he sees this and he like stops in his tracks and he's like, oh, I see what I must do. So then he turns and he walks, see what I must do. That's how every life project starts is where one day you wake up and you go, I see what I must see what I must do. 14:57 And so he walks to the whiteboard and quick thinking, like thinking on his toes here, he walks to the whiteboard and on the whiteboard he writes, strength through community. And he says, we have to form a community. And he says, what we're going to call ourselves is the third wave because the third wave in a series of waves is always the strongest. And then he teaches them a salute. And so he teaches them this salute to form a wave with their hand. And he says, when you see each other in the hallway, 15:27 give each other this salute. This is how you know that they're in the group. It's just me giving my heart yeah, I'm just I'm just my heart goes out to you and so yeah. So this is there's been a lot of dramatizations of this cobra. So he teaches them the salute and he says he says when you go around the school 15:51 Give the salute to everyone you see. If they give the salute back, they're in the group. If they don't, they're outside the group. Okay? 16:00 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammar land, use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 16:27 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 16:44 and he says what we need to do is we need to grow in number. We need to help bring other people into our community and he says so go around your school and give the salute people who do not give them the salute, teach them about our strength through discipline right and our strength through community and how that will help them in their life. And so then so now you've got them evangelizing essentially yeah and he says what I want you to do is I want you to now go out into the school and when you 17:13 evangelize to non-members. And then we also want you guys to start designing banners, design third wave banners. He like draws the logo of just like a wave crashing and then puts the word as the third wave around it and says, make these banners, put them up all over the school. They start evangelizing. And so that was the mission he gave him for the second day. at class ends, they go out, they start making these banners. They start putting these banners all over the school telling, 17:41 other kids about them and like setting up tables. And so he comes back, there's 30 kids that are in this history class, right? He comes back the next day and when he comes in, there's 43 kids in the room. And so they've done their job and they've brought some other kids. They've been fruitful and multiplied. Exactly. So he walks in the room and they say, good morning, Mr. Jones. And they're all sitting there at the desk. Well, they're now overflowing, but they're all in there. And he's like, good morning, Mr. Jones. 18:10 And so he walks up to the chalkboard and he read strength through action on the white board or the chalkboard. Now you're to kill everyone who does and so he gives them all member cards and he says he says here's your ID. This is your identification as part of the membership and he says he says continue to spread the the message you're taking actually spreading the message and then he says what I want you to do is if you if there are any students that 18:39 are not abiding by the rules, that are not showing discipline, that are not showing community, that are not taking action. He says, I want you to then report them to me. And by the end of the day, 23 students had been reported as people who were not a part of, or were not following the instructions, not following the rules. And this is now starting to spread outside the classroom and become a thing. By the end of the day, they estimate there was somewhere around 200 kids that had joined the wave, or the third wave. And a kid, 19:08 came to Mr John, which the wave cool name for you and so this is going to be called the vault. Yeah, I was going to be the vault, but we were just talking about how we used to dream of having youth groups. 19:23 Well, my dream was my dream was I wanted to like buy an old bank with tithe money and then put it in the vault. Yeah, so the service was it was in the vault. The youth group was in the vault and it was the whole service, the whole the church. I mean, I guess grown up service would have to happen upstairs, grown up service, the grown ups that would have to have an upstairs to put our youth group. 19:48 would be in the vault because I as the youth master would make decisions on what location we would purchase and I would say I don't care where you guys meet. You couldn't meet in the old bone officer's office will be in the fall. Yeah. 20:04 Yeah, it was logical. Yeah, dude. That's why my youth group, the wave was at the white water. That's where our youth group met, dude. We met at the wave pool at white water and it was no lifeguards because Jesus is my life guard. He walks on water and so my life guard walks on water and every service ended with an alter call. 20:31 and you played let it rain and then we singed it with the way the bully and we put him a little raft and we pushed them into the wave pushed about to see and all of us pre wrote. Look at her chubby little cheeks. You know, look at her chubby little cheeks. You know your eyebrows are bad and then at the end of it, we were like. Do you feel closer to Christ? 20:57 now that we've broken you down to your purest form, you can't be David if we're not your Goliath. That's how we read it. I love the wheat pre-rode. Everybody wrote up flashcards. Yeah, because we chose the next week's like next week's going to be 21:22 thanks. We're going to be Cassie and we're to make fun of her, make fun of her and then every kid came. They read it and then they nailed it to the cross. You got weird eyebrows, got weird eyebrows and what you say you, you have weird eyebrows. Meanwhile, this kid is drowning in the way. No lifeguards. That's the whole Jesus is our lifeguard. Yeah. 21:50 needless to say we're not youth pastures anymore. Did you do a nail the cross night or you nailed your sins at the cross? Not when I was a youth pastor, but I did the tongues of fire when we were when we were in that was like that was proper when we were students. Yeah, I mean it was probably when we were students, but I did it with tongues of fire too, because remember we set the back cross up out back. That's right. Yeah, and we did it for that. You're yeah since the cross yeah yeah. We did it. What's then did you write? I'm probably one that wasn't that big of a deal. I was afraid someone was going to read it yeah. 22:20 lied lying about this lying on this cross 22:34 yeah, that's my biggest. Good thing. Okay, this reminds I know I've said this in the fine, but like the kid at my youth group who and this is one of those moments where I was just stunned as a leader was the kid who was like I cussing up a storm yeah and like all this stuff like he was causing a lot of trouble. I just custom was sorry he's causing a lot of trouble. He's annoying a lot of kids. He's being 23:00 a general menace. Yeah. And then so later that night I was like, man, the way he behaved today is not right. And he goes, I got saved during service. That's all behind me. And I was just like, I mean, yeah man, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. You can't hold me accountable for how I behaved at 4 p.m. because I saved that six. That was afternoon me. Yeah. Christ has entered my life. 23:29 there's two versions of me. There's afternoon and after Christ. So anyway, now we've got like two hundred kids now he's got to third wave, which is my youth group name the way and so a student washes over me. There's now like like a title way 23:53 There are now multiple groups in the school. There's obviously like all the kids who aren't a part of this class that are seeing this and be like, what is happening in Mr. Jones's class? But then there's the kids in Mr. Jones's class that are a part of it. And then there's the kids that have been banished. We haven't talked about these yet. But starting on the first day, kids who had issues with this, Mr. Jones would say to the library, come back. And they had to go be in the library. And if they tried to come the next day, said, no, you're in the library. And he wouldn't let them come to class. 24:22 These were the quote-unquote rebellion and so these are kids who are not part aren't a part of it And he tells the kids in the class if you see some of these kids in the library There's one that wore a leather jacket 24:36 There's one little nerdy kid. There's one real popular girl. I think it was a freak. There's one goth girl. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was a freak, a geek, a jock, a nerd. No, it the geek was the nerd. It was definitely freak geek jock jock. I can't remember where the other two were. 25:00 really pretty girl yeah. What would she be called? I can't remember a prep be I don't know. You know, you know this movie. We're referencing know what we're 25:15 Anyways, so these kids are getting banished to the library and he tells the class, if you see them try to get in, don't let them come in. You to keep these at all costs. Yeah. And they also know, and the kids kind of put this together on their own. The kids say, oh, well, the rebels, they, they get an a if they have a successful rebellion. Oh, that's true. And so we can't let them successfully rebel, which means we need to protect mr. Jones. So one of the students, 25:44 volunteers to be Mr Jones bodyguard and he says I'll follow you around school all day and I'll protect you. They think that the rebellion is going to kill him. I don't know what they thought was going to happen today. If you kill that guy, that's what you know. Someone in the library was like, how do we rebel? I think we have to kill. think we have to kill Mr. Joe, we kill Mr Jones. All right. The other idea is what kill Mr Joe 26:24 I'll do it. I'll do the geek is like no, no, we don't have to kill him. I'll do it yeah, because he's trying to impress that girl and my dad saw my bird house. 26:45 that's exactly what the library was like. I think yeah, I very was exactly like who's going to go is your tents in there. The librarian was like excuse me. That's what you have to that's that's actually why you have to whisper in the library. Now is that the librarian didn't want to become an accomplished to your crimes. I was like please library. hear what you please whisper. Is this the police question me? I can I can say I didn't hear him. I need plausible. I counselor next door who has no alibi 27:15 and is a mandated reporter and is going through something right now. Sorry about your divorce to me. You'll always be divorce. 27:34 What is happening? Our show sucks. 27:41 okay anyway, so you've got your rebellion in the library, the ribon's in the library, but you've also got kids, so I kids who are worried about this kid is like. I want to be your body guard. Well, it's starting to get a little tense in the squash and say the the kids who are rebelling are there starting to be like shouting matches going on that look like they could turn into actual violence, okay, and there are kids who are ministers like hey man. What are you doing and Mr Jones? Like I'm proving a point. He's like don't worry. I'm teaching them. They're learning 28:11 It's this. I worry. Let the wave waves of mercy, waves of grace. The mission everywhere I look, I see your face and the minister is like, what did you just say to me? You came from heaven to earth. 28:42 to show the way from the earth to the cross. My debt. What's debt? To pay. I know, but what was the time for my debt? Was it this? No, that's Jesus. I understand that. But what was the debt sign? My debt. I don't. Yeah, I don't remember. From the cross to the grave, from the grave to the sky. 29:11 Lord, I lift your name on high. That was wonderful worship. 29:20 Rebecca, you stink. You smell like a hog. 29:31 we're gonna. We're also going to pass the plate for offering. 29:47 you were that bit was going the whole time you did the whole thing. I had no idea what you're setting up. Oh, I mean, it's getting pretty tense. 30:00 there's some tension rising in the school sure between both sides of the bike, both factions, but it's also between the kids that are part of the third wave evangelizing because there's kids who do not want to be a part of it. Yeah, like they're setting up booths in the school and trying to recruit kids to it sure and when kids do not want to join, they get aggressive and they block their way in the hallway and they're like surrounding you will join yeah and like basically forcing them in 30:28 and that you need to be disciplined and we're going to show our strength or discipline to you. Yeah. So you join the group. And so it's getting a little aggressive and a little stressful. And so this kid comes forward. He says, I'm going to be your bodyguard. And then a handful of other kids see this and say, oh, we're going to join. We're going to be your bodyguards together. Okay. They on their own, on their own, they escort mr. Jones out to his Volkswagen beetle on their own. They make, he didn't get that. What was the Volkswagen beetle? 30:55 I don't know about did they successfully PR their way out of that? Are beeffully loaded? 31:07 That was a pretty bad movie, yeah? 31:12 Oh, are you talking about the Nazis? 31:24 Oh my gosh, yeah, the first one they go for the Nazis. That's right. was like they PR the way out of it and you go yeah, the her be fully loaded movie. What a disaster for the brand that hurt them better than do when Lindsay Lohan went off the deep end. We were like no her be fully lones fog and she's 32:16 Oh, they should have made her be an honorary transformer. You know I'm that's good. Oh, the movie references are off the charts. Okay, so yeah, so a group of them unprompted did what a group of them that said they were going to be the bodyguards came together and unprompted on their own. These high school students in the nineteen sixty seven. They made themselves arm bands that they would wear with the logo on it. 32:44 black arm bands. They were black okay, and they had the third wave logo on their arm band and they were his security that they called themselves great and they marched around school protecting Mr Jones. This is the third day of the experiment. This is day three. This is day three over two hundred days. They've made arm bands. Yes, yeah and so on the fourth day, which you can also buy killing arm bands on our store. 33:12 He's like, no, what if we did though, you know, that's crazy. 33:24 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. have a mailing list in that mailing list. give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes, we've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of tilling topics. 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This classroom. Yeah. They have school. We they're packing in because they're all like, we're a part of the movement now. And so he comes in and he says to them, 34:44 in his brain. He says I have to end this and so he comes to the and then he gets in front of him and his brain goes you're in charge. Is that what happened? So he walks up to them and he says he says boys and girls today you need to know that this is more than just our school. What was their school called? It was it was because I need to end this guys. 35:14 This is bigger than you could ever imagine. 35:19 because of the work you've done these last three days, the president of the United States wants to take me out. 35:29 that's crazy. He's like walking. This is this is the equivalent of you being like I got to break up with this girl. I got a problem and then you walk in and you go. Let's move in together. Your brain's like no, you're right. I will move into your place. I think your apartment is better than my apartment. Yeah, it's pretty similar. So he comes in, he walks in the room yeah, this is bigger than our school. is bigger than cover Lee high. That's their name of their school cover Lee high okay. 35:58 He says, is bigger, this is actually a nationwide movement. I haven't told you this yet, but the third wave is a nationwide movement. This is happening in schools across the country. There are comparable size, organized groups coming together. And our goal is to create a third party of the American government. That's why we're the third wave. And he says, we have a presidential candidate. I have to end it. have to end it. Exactly. And he says, we have a presidential candidate. 36:28 who is going to step forward and be our representative in this coming election this year. 36:36 I can't remember if there was an election this year. But anyways, he said, next election, our president in the next election. he says, so he says, we're going to hear from him tomorrow. He says, tomorrow we're going to have an assembly. We're going to meet in the auditorium. We're going to have an assembly and we're going to watch a video that he has sent us. And he's going to tell us all about his vision for our country. And he says, continue. 37:05 your work, remember, strength through discipline, strength through community, strength through action. And then he dismisses them. Oh, and he also says, do not let the rebels into the meeting tomorrow. And so the next day rolls around and at 1150 AM, all the students arrive in the auditorium, a group of them block the doors so no one else who doesn't do the hand signal can enter. So everyone's doing the little wave hand signal to enter in the room. 37:32 And they all come in. This is day five. This is the fifth day of the experiment. Yeah. There's well over 200 kids in this room. They come in the room and then he has them kind of do their exercises. So he has this whole group of like 200 kids. He's standing up in the front of this auditorium and they're shouting, strength through discipline, strength through action, all their things. And he's having them all do their salutes and show all the things that they learned and do their like, hello, Mr. Jones, like all this stuff, drilling them to sit down. 38:01 And then he says, okay, it's time. We're going to hear from our new leader. So he rolls the TV, the little TV car on stage like, and this is a 1967 TV. He rolls on the stage. He rolls it on. That's the cart. Yeah. And he turns it on and it's static for an uncomfortably long time minutes of just static. And the whole room's just sitting there watching the static and they're starting to get a little antsy and they're looking around at each other and they're confused. 38:29 And then it's a Hitler speech comes up on screen. And they watch this entire Hitler speech is translated. They watch this entire speech and then he turns it off and he says, this is how the Germans fell for Hitler. He said the same way you all fell for this movement so quickly, so easily is the way the German people fell for what he did. The kids were traumatized. They had to hire therapists for all of them. 38:55 It was 1967. They didn't do that. But the kids, the kids were all traumatized. They all, I watched an interview with some kids who are now all adults. And I just remember looking around and like, except for one of them. 39:13 when you say that we're now adults, except for one didn't grow. We've been studying him for a long time. He's been alive in Chicago ever since yep. No, they they interviewed them and they're like yeah. You look around the room and just just every kid is just sobbing yeah like some kids got up and like ran out of the room crying like it was just like a devastating moment for all of them when they just realized like oh I could have 39:42 done that like yeah, because especially kids like, but most people like oh, I would never do that yeah and then for them to just like in a such a visceral way, realize they would and they kind of did and they were all boomers yeah, and so they so he had like just pointing out the generation that it was so he gave he gave him a them a lecture sounds like it was like bad, but he taught them about 40:11 Hitler yeah from the auditorium that day and then all those rebels in the library got an F because they didn't succeed. 40:20 the and they I've I've seen people talk about this. Those kids had to be insufferable for like a week or two. Oh, I got to share. were just like, remember when you guys were all Nazis, there either Nazis for a week. Wow, here's here's the rub though. Yeah, I always got to you the rub. This had gotten pretty out of hand. 40:45 and it teetered on file. They were like, what about the other schools? It's like guys, they're not. It was no other schools. There's no other schools and they the other teachers in the school were very uncomfortable with what was happening that week. And so it took a while, but a couple of months later the teachers managed to get together and stage their own rebellion. They killed Mr Joe 41:10 took a while because the body guards were gone. The body guard stopped guarding arm band. are gone, our babies are gone. Now's our chance. Get them all the arpids cry. What's crazy is the CIA did it CIA killed Mr Jones, a humble history teacher, no bunch of the other teachers. They had got together with the administration and they got him fired. 41:35 because they were like, look what he did. Like he like manipulated all these kids sure, and so he lost his job and it was he was pretty bitter about it because at the end of the day, like it's one of the interest. It's an interesting thing because this is the sixties and so it's a time where you can kind of get away with traumatizing kids. Kind of yeah, but I don't know. It's just so interesting because like you, you definitely couldn't get away with doing this now. Like you would get in a lot of trouble for doing something like this now sure, but then I would have thought you could have 42:06 but I guess not. I guess a lot of teachers had a problem with that, but all those kids remember this lesson to this day. Probably will never forget that lesson like that was what the teachers were like. They're forgetting our freaking science lessons, but they're remembering this very impactful history. This teacher did too good of a job yeah yeah, and so they got him fired and he was very bitter about it for a long time, but after a few years he was able in the seven needs to kind of get past that move past it and then write a book about that. Yeah, he kind of wrote essentially a memoir and it 42:36 became a pretty well or I should I don't know if it was a bestseller, but it sold well enough to then get adapted into a TV movie special called the wave. Okay. And then ever since then that special was called purpose driven life. Yes, look was just the third wave. Yeah. And then since then it's been adapted into tons and tons and tons of films and movies and plays and all those things to kind of illustrate that thing. So that's what he's made a lot of money on that stuff. Then I don't know. I'm probably I mean he sold the rest of the story. 43:04 Yeah, look at that painting. He's doing well. Look at that phone. He's doing really well. That's a painting. His that sounds like that's either that painting in the background is either ten thousand dollars yeah or his great kid and he yeah one of the two. It's hard. You could never know, but yeah, that's oh, but this is courted phone of the wall. Go back to that courted for my wife. One of those real bad. She wants a courted phone 43:29 that's so hipster that she wants a quarter phone, so that is so honestly though kind of cool, but also well there's there's ones you can you can bluetooth to your phone. That's pretty cool and she wants it in our living room. She wants it's cool, but it's also so lame because she wants to be able to send the couch man. Oh my gosh and twirl they entwirl the cable, you know and like honestly 43:52 Who is she calling that? She wants to twirl the case though. That's so that's you and I talk on my phone enough that I'll probably sit on my couch and be like, yeah, that's crazy man. huh. Gosh. So anyways, they you're in how much day buddy? I already told you, I can't give you any more money this month. Listen, hey, I love you. 44:20 but I have to set boundaries here. No, no more, no more. All right, I'm gonna read you the note cards. 44:32 Your hairline is receding. 44:38 Your tattoos look stupid. 44:43 my parents support us on patreon. I'm drowning on the other line with my air pods in 44:56 you wear Casio watches. 45:01 it's been adapted a thousand times, but by the end of it, their school was covered in and I'm pretty sure these are from dramatizations, but covered in these banners that students had hung up around and made themselves and to try to get people to join the movement and my favorite adaptation though is the German adaptation and two thousand and eight. They did an application of this. I was gonna say I think they did it in nine thousand and forty four bro. No, no, no, no, 45:30 but the the German attitude adaptation is the wave. It's just called the wave. Yeah, but in German that translates to die well, which I love. I well, I think that's just such a hard like die well die. Well, that's cool. That's really cool. So live fast die well. Yeah. So this is the story of Ron Jones and his third wave movement. Pretty 46:00 Good lesson, I think. I wish teachers could traumatize our kids today. think it which is listen, we've tried to we need to come up with a hand signal for telling followers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but we've been trying like you should. You should be saying fiddle off to people in public. Yeah, if you see them and if they don't say fiddle off, beat them up, beat the heck out. Tell them to comply. Comply, say fiddle off and if they act confused, yell comply. 46:32 The next episode you're going to watch of this show is mouse utopia comply, comply, comply, mouse utopia is an experiment where a guy had a bunch of mice and he was like, you know, with the fat ones bully the little ones. 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