They Left 10 Kids Alone for Content | Boys Alone Ep 244

10-08-24

Episode Transcript

00:00 Hey, this week we talk about boys alone, a TV show that locked ten ten year old boys in a house for like five days and they were like let's just film and see what happens and it happened exactly like you thought it was going to happen for sure, and they had cameramen who were not allowed to interact with the kids, no matter how bad things got so, and then we talk about the other variations of the show and then some real life stories that that pretty 00:29 Tempe, Arizona and pace in Arizona. It's Tempe Tempe. I'm in Tempe, Arizona and then next weekend I am in Lynchburg, Virginia at Liberty University, so that's not a joke. Don't laugh at that. That's not a joke. That's really I'm doing. I'm laughing at it. I respect Liberty University, go flames and the week after that we're in me and Shama are in Boston in the fall, so 00:55 you know from Veggie Tales in the fall. I'm actually super excited. We're doing basically the entire state of Massachusetts, four dates in Massachusetts. If you're up that way, I would love to see you there. This is things I learned last night, a podcast where Tim teaches me something every week. This week he does it. He does the thing where he teaches me something, so I hope to see you at a show. Thanks for checking out our episode. 01:21 Hey man, hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of boys alone? What is on the team? I don't know. You tell me, have you ever heard of boys alone boys alone? Is this a band? No boys alone does sound like a band name though. It sounds like a nineties boys boy band boys alone. Yes 01:42 but not a but not a real boy band, one of the Disney Channel boy bands. Oh yeah, it's like you like an animated boy, like a chipmunk boy band boys alone. All that reminds me of it in the chip box. 01:58 Okay, you know this is a fun piece of trivia. I learned this week. Oh okay. I thought I thought that your whole thought was all that reminds me Albert in the chip. I forgot about yeah anyway boys. I thought that that was you have a trivia piece about a little trivia. You know the song. You know the song by the black eyed peas, which one is it kind of feeling 02:24 It might be. I got a feeling a feeling yeah. I think it's I got a feeling wasn't written for the black eyed peas originally because you know how the music industry works right where, like the bands aren't writing any other stuff. It's all the industry writers are writing stuff for other artists. Who's right? It doesn't get picked up skillet my freedom. These are the only things I know yeah. That's rough. That's a. That's a bad one. 02:54 that's a bad one. I promise I'm one of the cool guys. I own a pick up truck ba. No, the please don't pull images of me in two thousand two with my bleached blonde hair and my cool outfits. I've always been a tough guy here. Okay, so I got a f that wasn't right. That was written for the chip. 03:28 Yeah, my free, you know it's yeah. You got to sing it super slow, so when you speed it up yeah, then it's the speed that it's going to be in the yeah. That's that actually now that you say that I've never thought about that before, but that's pretty hard. That's impressive that they do that. Yeah, I mean they used to do that. Now they just do the voice. They drop like yeah, they pitch it, but they used to sing it slower 03:55 so that wasn't what it was one guy who made the chipmunks right at what Alvin yeah. I'll then did all the singing yeah no because so the so there was a rider who wrote. I got a feeling for the. I don't know what the what do they call Alvin and the chipmunks, but it's not the chipmunks. It's the girl chipmunks. What are they? What are they called? Do you know by scrolls? No 04:29 I didn't even the chipets, the chipets, so there was a chipets movie that was supposed to come out. It was supposed to be a Christmas movie that got canceled yeah right before I got a feeling by the black. I piece came out what you're they had this song. It got canceled right before this and so they had this song and the writers two thousand yeah two thousand seven two thousand eight something like that yeah, so the writers came to the black I peace and we're like well. We got this song 04:57 and so the black will I am was like oh yeah, but if you listen to it, knowing it was supposed to be a chipmunks movie song, it makes a lot more sense. I got a feeling that tonight's gonna be a good and then like like take it to like the like verse. What's like so love my cup, like there's like all those things that it's like the shout backs. Oh, you can are very good. All right, so imagine 05:26 I got a feeling in the final scene of the Shrek movie where they're all in the swamp that plays yeah a hundred percent. 05:35 they were they were. Is one of the chipets Jewish? I'm actually not sure that it was there. Lee two thousand so like Jewish well, what you scared me. I say. Did you watch Alex? How do you say his last name Edelman, Adam, Alex on HBO? It's got a special. I have no idea who that is. It's a it's a really great special. Actually, it's a story. He's a he's a Jewish comic okay and he 06:05 went to a Nazi gathering as an undercover to his person. I mean it's you know and he was like it was a great. It was a really it's like an hour and a half yeah man show almost type thing and it was pretty good. It was on HPO HPO yeah. I want to hear that story for sure yeah. What did you think I was going to say? I don't know it's just I don't know so boys alone. Have you ever heard of cutting edge? 06:35 cutting edge is the the cutting edge is actually what my my dad's my dad used to work at a metal shop. This is real. It was called the cutting edge. Yeah, no, not that okay different thing. I was alone cutting edge boys alone, so cutting edge was a British like TV documentary series on channel four in the UK. Okay, you know what I realized please do the okay, so 07:02 channel for ran this series called cutting edge, and it was just a series of like exposes on different cultural things. They would commentate on cultural things and then one episode, specifically the episode, a boys alone. Okay, it's like episode like one hundred and forty four sure they just were like what if we did something crazy and so they got a house in somewhere in England. They got this house and then they built off the edge of the house, an apartment 07:32 and there was a door that entered an exterior door for the apartment and then a door that entered into the main house with a doorbell on it. It's important and they said, okay, here's the plan. They said we're going to get ten children, all boys who between the ages of ten and eleven, we're going to shove them in this house, lock them in there with cameras for a week and just see how it goes and we're going to adults, no adults, a bunch of food. 08:00 a bunch of food, bunch of games, bunch of activities, everything that they need to survive okay, and there's going to be camera men, but they're strictly instructed not to talk to the kids and engage at all. So there's adults present, but they're not, but how old is gets ten and eleven cool ten and eleven. What kind of camera is that 08:23 Hey, what kind of camera is that? 08:35 I'm not allowed to engage with the subjects, right? 08:40 Okay, you're talking to he's not walking away. 08:52 oh my God, you see kids cry. Oh, they're like Angela and Big Brother. Oh my gosh, there's so they I said oh my gosh. Oh no. Okay, anyway, so they they get these ten kids, they shove them in this house before they put them in the house, so it didn't have to shove them in the house. There was no pushing involved. There was just 09:19 go here, put ten kids in a house. They weren't like where they were voluntarily with their parents permission. Yeah, so the parents in the parents on wasn't the episode before boys alone was just was just boys alone in the park was the before 09:42 and they just gather around kids and they were like they're like. Do you want to make your parents disappear? It was an impractical joker style episode. The goal was to just get ten kids yeah, and so the next episode was where they put those ten kids in a house yeah. The people doing the getting thought it was after that is where they made them compete on an island for sir for out without last out survive yeah and then or that's not it out play. I 10:12 it. I think it I can't. What was called, but it was everyone had a grocery cart and then they started the time and you had to go pick up all these certain items from the grocery store and get back to the beginning with the items before everyone else and you won. Remember that show it's called Black Friday. I wasn't that was real life. It's called March thirteen 10:33 No, it was you had the grocery cart. You remember what I'm talking about? Yeah, I was part of a show. No, it was the show, the show. It was a game show and the whole game show was you had the cart you went. You might have had like a competition where it's more like prices right in the beginning and you had to name the prices on the grocery items. Wait Frick, I'm remembering this yes yeah, but you had. I think it was there was something with you had the stuff in your cart had to 11:00 add up to a certain. That's right. You had to go and you had over yeah. You had an exact so you I your goal was to get the I think throughout the game you had to you had all the questions that gave you your dollar amount and then they would do the dash the grocery dash or whatever they called it the store dash shopping dash, whatever it was called and then they would have to go get that total. It was a cool show 11:27 Yeah, it made me run through grocery stores. All right, well, anyways, I don't know why I started thinking that I something we said there was also like you would run through and then there was like all these spinning things. You get knocked over. There was like a there was like a pool in the middle of the store and then it was like a sludge guys 11:51 and they like overdubbed them and made them say mean stuff about you really mean really mean stuff. No, so the parents got so like the parents volunteered yeah kids for this. Obviously they had probably signed a pretty lengthy contract. The kids then had like they went through a screening with a psycho, a child psychologist to like screened if they thought they would be capable of dealing with this emotion. How long were they hoping to put him in the five days? I wasn't long like youth camp yeah without 12:19 without the leaders yeah and then and then they put them through a cooking class. They taught on how to cook so that way they could eat while they were there and then they put them in there and what they told them. They said at any time if you want to leave, there's this apartment and our child psychologist lives in that apartment for the week and so you just ring the doorbell and it's like attach the house, but it's detached. You know what I'm saying? You just ring the doorbell 12:46 she'll come out and she can take you home if you want to go home or she can. If you need to talk to the psychologist at any time, then you can ring the doorbell and if you have the emotional intelligence to go my, I feel irregular right now. Maybe I should speak to someone yeah and to be fair to remember this is two thousand and two and these are ten and eleven year old boys yeah in the UK in the UK. So yeah they don't they don't have that emotional awareness. 13:15 So ten boys got together. I'm just going to list the names for you real quick. Luke, Michael, Robert, Daniel, George, Mark, Paul, Sam and Sim. I don't know if that means anything to you that list of ten children's very generic names they get in the house and it goes. John James, it goes about as well as I think you expect it to go immediately. 13:45 one of them sells out their leader for some gold shekels immediately. It seems like what happens in the very beginning they get in this house. I watched this documentary and it seems like immediately they get in this house and I'm. I wish they had the foresight and they might not have had the technology for this. I don't know because this was an actual house like in the suburbs in London or something like that 14:12 and so like this wasn't like a studio that may they made to look like a house. So I don't know if they didn't have the gear or whatever they needed to do hit the hidden camera thing, but they had like actual like they did have some hidden cameras because there's some shots that was like clearly like ceiling mounted cameras and black and white also cameras walking around if they were bad at the shot every once in a while you catch an amir or something, but like there's adults in there, so there's a dog in there. They're aware that there's adults and the kids feel safe 14:40 and they also don't feel in charge. Well, I think here's a thing. The kids are told the people with the camera aren't going to engage with you. They're only they're only going to intervene if it's like a serious safety concern. That's the only time they're going to intervene and so they're not going to step in standing on the counter with the knives. Is this that's is this how how unsafe are we talking here? 15:09 unsafe to me or unsafe to them? I don't know. 15:13 because I feel safe right now. This is great because that's the thing that the kids were told they're not going to intervene. They the adults were told not to intervene. Sam is trying to kill sims. His name is too close. Is that a safety issue? Is that how safe are we talking here? We'll let it play out. We'll see what happens. I don't think he can do it. I don't think he's got it. I think it broken bones at the worst that's covered in our contract right. So 15:43 they the kids pretty and pretty quickly. They started like testing it. They were like out. How much do we have to do to get these adults to intervene? The answer was a lot. They're not gonna and so they came in and they like were they out loud being like we're going to see like to each other. They did it. They never so like hey, why do we you know punch me? See what happened? They never said that, but like it was pretty clear because they went in and they try to find some troll making kids 16:11 like were some of these kids like I don't know. I don't know if they were intentionally trying to find any and I should say most of these kids. There's a handful. There's a well behaved. There's a couple of kids that were on the line, but I don't want to even say any of these kids were trouble makers, but so yeah the kids. I think there was a combination of factors. One, I think the second these boys walked into this room, they had this like liberation of France feeling 16:35 where it was like I could do whatever I want. You hear the sing the songs of angry man and then I think there was also yeah a part of them that was like a sleep over moment where it's just like yeah there's no rules. Yes, they taught us how to make real cheese like let's freaking and they rip it. Yeah they were like they're like and I think there was also just like let's see how far station this will go 17:03 I don't think there was any video games. I never saw him play if there was yeah well, then I was because if there was a bit of fart, it would have ruined the whole yeah, so they immediately ran in or still playing video games. The kids won't put the PlayStation down. I'm going to get a tripod. I don't feel like I need to be so 17:29 they immediately are. It's a combination of the excitement of the situation right, and I think they're trying to test it, and so yeah they go in and they find paint. I don't know why they left them paint and they just start painting all the walls. I think I know why they left to pay it. They really pay all the walk in here. There are six buckets of pain. Here's the thing that I would do 17:57 we could do this with this apartment when we leave yeah is just tell her on a game show buckets of paint and we go don't paint these don't paint. Whatever you do don't paint the walls and then we come back and it's back to what it's supposed to be monster. That's a way to get your house then that 18:17 if you're if you're into house flipping, here's a good way to save money on contract. I tell them right is TV in your old kids to believe they're on a competition reality series. Yeah, that's good and then get them to do the work for you, so they I had some players build my garage they start painted on the walls and it's not like they're painting. It's like they're just splattering paint, making a mass doing whatever they start just breaking stuff for the sake of somebody's stuff. 18:45 he has someone volunteer their house for this. They start breaking stuff for the sake of breaking stuff like you're just breaking furniture, breaking games, all the toys. One of the kids just goes and gets the cereal cash and he just starts ripping open the cereal cash like the place where they have all the cereal. Why did you call it the serial cash because it's a lot of cereal and then he just rips open the bags of cereal and just starts running around the house like fleeing cereal everywhere like they are just trashing the place. 19:13 within an hour. This is the how this is the living room within like an hour of them being in there. Oh man, if you've ever worked in children's ministry, you know exactly what this looks like. Yeah, it's just what do they were. First of all, let's look at the color. The wall was what is this the Garfield house 19:35 I think they tried to make it fun. I think they painted it to be like oh, it's a fun environment for the kids. He's riding the bike inside that so immediately yeah they got the water guns out. They had a water war indoors with water balloons and everything like just just thrashing it because like they're not really thinking through like if you trash this whole place you got to sleep somewhere for the next five days. You know yeah and so that is exactly what happens for about four hours. They just go ham and then 20:04 they start to, it starts to set in. And then also we got to live here for the next week. And then 20:22 and so just the marshmallows of the cereal. So it's like eight forty p.m. Something like that they get together. They have a house meeting and here they are in this house meeting and there's just trash everywhere. The this no, so this rash I'm going to call it this kid in the gray shirt is the one who like takes charge. I don't know who took charge, but they said let's get together house meeting and they said we need to elect a leader. Oh really? Yeah, which is very interesting that yeah they sat down. They said we need to elect a leader. 20:51 and that person's going to help maintain order because they immediately realize they're like this is chaos. We can't have no one in charge and so they elect a leader and you're a hundred percent right. That kid is the kid that they elect as the leader feels like I mean look at his hair cut. Yeah, his name is 21:07 he's the only one wearing a watch is why he's in charge. You know saying like he's the only one kids got a camera this house that was like I'm going to need to be able to tell what time it is. His name is George wearing a watch when you're a kid is like a flex at the power move yeah, because it's like I am responsible enough to not lose this and also I know how to read it. I know you know that's you saying to your other 21:37 ask me what time it is. Oh, I know I know, but it's one of those it's one of those like I'm in fifth grade and I need to keep track of time. It's one of those. You know, having a watch is when your childhood starts to die yeah, because when you're a kid, you don't it doesn't matter what doesn't matter what time it is everyone you're at everyone knows racking time. 22:02 That's the thing that's the secret. Oh, it's five thirty is dinner time. Shut up, go live, go outside. That's the secret. That's why we're also stressed. It beats because we're so concerned with the time and we're the clocks. 22:19 your watch. Someone's got to be in charge here. Okay, the power moved to your they don't either watch and then keep you. So you're the only one capable. Anyway, now that it's five to eleven, I'm glad that let me tell you what time it is 22:49 let's all get rid of our watches. Let's throw them in the river. That's right. We idiots are the only one who knows 23:05 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 23:17 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 23:49 so George, I told you what my dad thinks about time zones. 24:02 that's a really funny way to phrase that, but my so like my dad doesn't think that we should do time zones anymore. Why I've getting there, he thinks that it should just you know. You know how like when you know well, you don't know you're not a pilot when you fly you go on grinch time and Zulu time and so we do the universal clock right and so that's what he thinks we should all just live on the universal time. 24:26 yeah and like he's in you know, and your argument would be like well, seven a.m. would be so he was yeah. You would just get used to the sun coming up at whatever your time five p.m. where you are yeah and then it would go down and then when you see hours posted, it would be out. There was a just be that yeah, which the problem with that though is when you move, because then you move to I don't know say Japan and then now you're like oh 24:55 I it's it's three o'clock in the morning or three o'clock, and to you that's the middle of the night. The reality it does, because now your brain, because now the number in your brain that you've associated getting used to that's really tough. Yeah, it's not impossible, but it's tough, but it would make it a little easier when you do move to Japan to go. Okay, so now my work hours are going to be three to one instead of nine to five. Yeah and 25:25 the sun is setting at ten. You know, I think that's, I mean, I, it does make sense. 25:36 Okay, so have you seen never mind my dad just really passionately thinks that we should get rid of. He's like he's like it's just so frustrating yeah. I agree with him. I have actually seen this thing that if you're on like the far side of a time zone, yeah, you're actually less healthy because your sleep schedule is worse yeah yeah, because because yeah you're either waking up or going to bed. 26:00 too early. I've always wanted to build a house big enough in Indiana where the time zone thing is so that one side of my house is an eastern time or the other side is in central time, so then you could just walk. You're like oh, I got to wake up in an hour. I go to the other bedroom yeah and I get an extra hour sleep pretty funny. That's big brain right there, yeah, so George, I was just thinking about what are we 26:30 daylight savings time. 26:35 we're still day one. Oh shoot, we have five days to go. It's okay. We've almost been four minutes. I know because I track that act. 26:53 all right. Fine, let's keep going so door. We can cut out all your chip at stuff. That doesn't need to get so leave this party and where I reference it because people will be like chip at what I got a feeling this episode is going to suck 27:11 right now. Okay, so what I was saying about saving time is that there's there's two types of people right in the fall when you gain an hour of sleep yeah right. You can either go to bed at a normal time and actually gain an hour or you can do what my wife does and she goes. Oh 27:32 it's only eight p.m. right now and social stay up till two a so wake up the next day and be like I don't rest and I'm like yeah, because you didn't gain an hour so late up till two state of three extra hours. That's what I'm saying these kids like this. So they've elected this guy and they were like you tell us when bed time is to tell us what's the rules yeah. So immediately they start watch man 27:58 so immediately he kind of divvies up. He's like he's like all right, we got to get this place back in order like we ruin this place sure and so he divvies up some chores and so clean the paint up so he's like yeah you guys got to watch the paint off the walls. You guys got a vacuum. You guys got to try to fix this stuff. We broke you guys got to figure out what that smoke wants to jack. 28:18 Jack, we got to go back. There's a computer upstairs. You got to put this number in every hour. I don't know or something a little happen, so don't find out. So the kids who vacuum are the only ones who like can actually achieve the goal that they were given. The rest of the kids are trying to clean this pain off the halls and they're just scrubbing it with sponges and water and they're like it's not coming off and the kids that broke stuff or like I don't know how to fix furniture and so 28:47 they pretty quickly give up. It lasts like an hour and then they go back to just being chaotic and so they're like this is way more. It's so much easier when we did have a leader yeah and so they continue just. I mean that they continue just being can clean it up and then some kid was like freedom. 29:10 Liberty. So they, they start being pretty chaotic again, but now what happens is they have George in charge and so now they start bringing their grievances to George and George is now trying to be like the mediary between kids. Okay. And so he brings them together. He keeps bringing them in the living room and being like, what's your issue? What's your issue? And like trying to solve these problems, but he's not doing a good job at it. So like issues are spiraling worse and worse and worse. 29:40 but nothing gets like cake crazy, too crazy sure. So the first night all the kids stay up to like two a.m. They're literally in the backyard just screaming for the sake of screaming noise complaints keep getting called. The police keep showing up and the producers are outside. They're like it's it's for a tv show. Yeah. All right. We love the tally kid. What can I be on 30:06 it's very funny. There was a crossover episode of cutting edge and cops 30:14 and they taste them. The producers, the producers, they were miners later. The producers taste the cops. That's the twist. We're here to protect these. You know the UK. They don't have guns. Yeah, they were like we're not scared of you and so what you gonna do night stick me yeah, so they stay up all night and then the next day they go back to doing what they were doing. They spent a whole a whole day. 30:41 water gun fights indoors, riding bikes around indoors, all this stuff, just trash in the house. He's further, every once in a while, George is brought a grievance and he tries to make it better and doesn't really. The kids, mind you, are just eating the cereal and candy. Like they're not making any food. They learned how to cook, but they're not doing that. And so they do a whole day and stay up till like 2 a.m. again, go to bed, wake up. 31:07 And now things are getting a little strange. The kids are clearly hungry. They're clearly like on sugar highs and they're clearly very tired. Yeah. And the stress starts to get to them. So they start trying to cook, but it appears like they forgot everything they learned in their cooking classes. And so they start trying cooking stuff. They didn't attempt to use the stove or the oven at all. They were just using the microwave. They. 31:33 breaking eggs, putting in a pan, putting in a my I'm not exaggerate. When I say they got a bowl and they cracked like four eggs in this bowl and poured probably three cups of milk into this bowl, didn't measure it, just poured it into the bowl eggs and milk and put in the microwave for like two minutes and then got it out and tried to eat it and they were like oh, it's disgusting. It's like yeah, of course it is of course that's disgusting. 32:01 didn't like stir it up or not. Don't don't just poured it in shoved it. That's like what I had a babysitter when I was a kid. I remember this so specifically because it's one of those things where you just go. Did my mom care if I lived or died? I had a babysitter who and this was like a time where I'm a kid. I don't remember how old I am, but I know that she was like maybe thirteen yeah young you still leave children in charge of other children. Yeah. If you think about babysitters, especially back of the day, like it's kind of insane yeah, 32:31 eleven, twelve, thirteen and she didn't know how to make ramen and I remember her. She didn't break it up. She microwaved no water, a ramen patty that just turned dark in the microwave yeah, and then she was like. I don't think this is right and I was like that's not right. 32:56 I was like there should be water and so then she put water on top of an already microwaved thing and it's like Bert. It's like charred. That's what I'm saying yeah yeah. I remember that so clearly, but he always tells a story. She baby sat a girl whose parents were like super wealthy. She said that one day she only ate. I think it was spaghetti was the only thing she ate and so she made her spaghetti yeah and then the girl 33:23 was walking with her spaghetti and tripped on their Persian rug. It was like an eight thousand dollar rug and spill spaghetti sauce all over it. She spent in the girl stood up and went. You did this 33:34 she said they spent like three hours. The rest of the time the parents were gone trying to clean it and they couldn't clean it. It just kept getting worse yeah and they were terrified and then the parents got home and she said they just laughed. They went you spend three hours. I will just a new one kill another one. 33:56 Why you just try to clean it that much? It's not only a grand rich. Now here's your fourteen dollars go home, so they they're cooking is failing. They then they go pretty quickly. They try to cook a couple of things doesn't go over well and they look at the camera man and the camera is like I'm not allowed. I'm not allowed to help 34:23 and they're like if I put the fork in the toaster and the camera guys like they're like okay, if I do this and they go they did actually later that night they tried to cook hamburgers. They had frozen patties. They tried to cook hamburgers. They're cooking the hamburgers. I get uncomfortable cooking hamburgers. I couldn't really know and they they're cooking these hamburgers on the stove and it starts smoking and the boys 34:51 It's a ridiculous scene, especially when you know there's an adult right there with a camera filming this whole thing because it's smoking like a lot of smoke and the boys are freaking out trying to figure out why it's smoking. And it is odd because they just put the frozen patties on like they are brand new frozen patties and you look at them and they're they're not burning. Yeah. And so boys are like, what's going on? Why is this burning? They didn't realize they had a tea towel on the stove and the tea towel was catching on fire and that's what was and they grabbed the towel. 35:19 and they start like waving the towel around and they're like trying to stomp on it. 35:34 They're setting the house on fire? Understood. 35:45 because they don't realize that they left the gas on their butts light matches. I'll just I'll stand further away. I'll just back up. That's crazy and so where are the camera men sleeping? I don't know if they're sleeping. I my my assumption is that they're taking shifts okay, and yeah they're there all twenty four seven. So my assumption is that they're coming in and relieving them and going back to that apartment. Yeah, it's my assumption. I don't know they never explain that 36:15 but yeah, so then it does get a little sad at moments. There's moments where kids are kids and they kind of start bullying each other. A couple kids start getting singled out. George does a really good job of being a leader in this situation and I should say not being a leader. He doesn't actually like lead anyone or stick up for the kids, but he does comfort the kids that are being bullied and so there's a stick out for him, but then comes along goes 36:41 hey, I'm sorry, I really sucks that I said that really sorry that sucks. I was he just gas fighting under. I just I had to do it for power. You know I you get it. They can't see me be weak. What am I supposed to take my watch off? So read this 37:05 Jeez, dude. 37:08 Oh, so one of the kids does end up deciding he's going to sleep outside, so he puts up a tent outside and got boy that much yeah, and so he decides he's going to say a lot for a kid to eject from sleep over where he is. I was a man outside. Well, I should say there were kids that were sleeping outside every night like they set up a couple tents. There's kids that were choosing between inside and outside, and so he chooses I'm going to, but he wanted to be out there alone, so it's a little different. They elected him as the kid who was supposed to clean all the dishes and like he 37:37 peer pressures into it. And so he ends up being the dish cleaner the rest of the week. And so there was some sad things like that. Another kid, Michael, got blamed for all the issues in the house because he kind of was like he was the one breaking everything. He was the one throwing cereal everywhere. Like we were almost as cereal as he was only like. No, no. I don't know if I have doesn't matter a picture of him, but he was the one they're like, you're the reason why we're almost out of edible food because we can't cook. 38:07 and you threw cereal all over is it yeah. We'll tell that to these three squirrels. I killed up you killed squirrels and so he they were dead when I found them. They singled them out and this was actually a really interesting moment because they single them out. They and it starts to escalate pretty quickly. They lock him in a closet for a while while they try to decide what they're going to do with them and then they they open it up and then they drag him out of the closet, drag him in the backyard, tie him to a chair in the backyard. 38:36 and they're like and they've watched in movies. They get george and like george. What are we going to do to him on time? So they're all sitting there at the camera man's just watching and one of the kids like we could just beat him up and george is like that's actually an option and then all of a sudden george just has a moment and he's like he's like we should go. We should go talk to miss scott 39:03 and everyone's like oh, it's a good idea and so they all get together. They run upstairs and they ring the door, are tied up and they're chanting at the door. They're like scott scott scott scott and she comes out and like we want to talk to you and like let's go get the kid you tied up in the backyard. They go to one of the bedrooms and it starts like just everybody in this group counseling session like ganging up on Michael Michael's very clearly having a hard time with it, but by the end of it she does do a pretty good job like 39:30 redirecting everyone and everyone realizing. Oh, we're all the problem and not just Michael like we all have had a part in this because she's watching this whole thing from her studio apartment, eating popcorn. He's like watching the lives and she's like. I love watching kids suffer 39:47 but and so I love this, so they all agree like yeah, we're all the problem. It's not just Michael. Michael is literally like curled up in a ball in his bed like yeah cry. Michael's parents are like he needed a reality check. So why we set up and so then Miss Scott just stands up and walks back in her apartment leaves in there and so okay. Good talk. The kids go over. They try to comfort Michael. Michael's not having any of it and so you guys just tied me 40:17 You literally just tied me up outside. The only reason you stopped. And so they they talk for a long time. Eventually they decide Sim gets the idea is like we should play man hunt and so they go downstairs to go play man hunt. And when they get outside they find a what's the word chipmunk, not a chipmunk go for some animal like that. I can't remember what animal it was, but some small animal chipmunk go for type animal and they decide let's kill it. 40:44 and so they start chasing this thing around the backyard. They trap it in in like some bushes and they're all throwing stuff at it, trying to get this go for chipmunk or whatever, and that's the moment when the camera crew steps in and says hey guys, we should stop this so to be clear. 41:05 camera guy watches Michael get tied up relentlessly bullied the whole week. Well, they go out at the house of fire. This is the same thing as when someone's like they see a homeless person on the street yeah, and then they see that homeless person has a dog and they go feel bad for that dog. Yeah, yeah and you're like hey, there's a human being right there. It's the same. I was just thinking about this in movies about how like you don't want to see a dog get hurt in the movie. I just watched a fall guy 41:35 Yeah and there was and I was watching is a fight scene where I'm watching them shoot people over and over and over yeah and there's this dog that's barking and I was like don't shoot the dog what's wrong with me yeah yeah because we're so desensitized that if we had a bunch of movies where dogs got killed all the time you probably wouldn't care as much. I'm going to start watching more of them. What are you doing just trying to desensitize myself to the death of animals? I don't want to care this much about care. 42:10 I care too much about animals across from my gym in Kansas City is the animal hospital and have I told you about this now and every Thursday, the big white van pulls up and comes and picks up the animals that didn't make it yep, yep and so every Thursday morning it happens. We see it happen because I'm at the gym every Thursday. I was I was a big strong man 42:40 but I'm in there working out one time and I just hear like this and I look up and there is a there's a middle aged white lady on the elliptical that faces the in wasp and she is just sobbing on this 42:58 that's and I was like should have watched some more YouTube videos. I'm do since yeah they could they could take that right out my family, my freedom. I watch cats die on the internet. 43:19 I'm doesn't hurt me. So so that he step in, make sure they don't kill the gopher or whatever it was. Okay, and the boys go through the rest of the week, just as much of a mess, not even anything sugar highs by the last day. The last full day. It's very clear that most of these boys want to go home. They don't want to be a part of this anymore. 43:48 they are emotionally and like physically just so drained because they barely ate. They've barely slept. They've expelled a ton of energy yeah, and they're all really started to get on each other's nerves, and so there's a lot. This last house isn't big enough for them to like separate yeah, and so this last day is a lot of tears. A lot of kids like that are like very clearly like very stressed and emotionally just yeah ready to go. This is like church camp, but they none of them want to 44:17 break. None of them want to be the kid who goes home and so all of them are like holding on and like there's just so many shots of them on this last day where they like sitting in chairs just like what literally white knuckling it like gripping the chair seats and just like staring off in the wall to like make it through the day. So that way they didn't quit. It's pretty pretty rough. There was a kid and when I was a when I was a camp counselor, his name was we'll say Colby 44:46 because that's what it was and he I remember the other counselor in our cabin said to him because he was he would egg stuff on and then like he would get made fun of and he like he would just crumble yeah and the other counselor said something wise that I think I've actually learned from and maybe you should too. Yeah, as he said cold, but they probably wouldn't bully you so much. If you weren't such a baby every time it happened, 45:15 this was like Thursday and I remember being like I don't think that was the right thing to say to this sixth grader, but but also bad. Yeah, you know, but he was the kid that like by Thursday he was just like no one likes me and it can house was like buddy. Yeah, they're doing it to get that rise out of you. Yeah, you're not likable buddy. Like I you know it's like he didn't say that to that kid. Yeah, 45:41 you know. I hope that kid turned out okay. I got a YouTube playlist to watch free was like a kid. You have a soft spot for the like man, but like he just really was like shooting himself in the foot on any chance that like people were like hey man, come play with us. Yeah, it was almost like he was like pulling out his pocket knife and deflating the ball and be like ha ha ha and then and then he's like why don't they like me like me? Yeah, I don't know. You did some sucky stuff so on the last morning they will. They all wake up 46:10 their parents are in a line in the probably like early twenties. Now he's some college girls problem now, so so they wake up at the boarding. All their parents are in a line in the front yard waiting for them, and so they all walk out the front door together and they they're reunited with their parents. The parents get to come in and see what they did to the house. All their parents are just like. What did you guys do? Like it was Michael, it was Michael Michael, Michael, wasn't me. I was tied up in the back and they're like 46:38 why their parents were looking at the pit, the camera guys and like different shift. They it wasn't that one wasn't me. I wasn't here for that one and they're just yeah. They're blown away that their kids did that all of them, except for one parent. One parent's like honestly, I probably would have done the same thing. It's actually kind of like what you did with yeah. We should let you do this at all. This is pretty sweet and so this this got some interesting reception in the public. Most of the people 47:06 most of the public was like this is not okay that you did this. It's pretty wrong, but honestly like we want to watch more of it yeah and so give us boys alone to so they spent a year cleaning up this house and then cutting edge about stop fifty episodes later, put out a show called Girls Alone and it was in the same house, a group of ten ten and eleven year old girls pouring episode of the whole season because they all were well adjusted and did nothing. 47:34 What is interesting is the first night they, the group of girls got together, they cooked a spaghetti dinner with meat sauce and they baked a cake and they had dinner around a table together and 10 and 11 year old girls and they, they all like, they put together a fashion show that they all did in the house. No damage, no messes. They actually did. One of them did spill some of their spaghetti and they all got together and they with soap and they cleaned up the carpet and got the stain on the carpet real quick. So that way it wouldn't stain. 48:03 Like, exact opposite experience of what happened with the boys. They did end up drawing on the walls at one point, but what they did, it wasn't, they weren't drawing to like damage the walls, they were drawing to decorate the space above their beds. And so they would like put their name and they decorated their space, they painted. They did feel guilty about it later and tried to clean it off, but they couldn't clean it off. By and large, didn't damage the house. 48:32 they did. There was drama. There was situations where like they've gotten disagreements. There was situations where girls did kind of get bullied and it was like it was sad in moments. There was two girls that did end up leaving deciding to leave. They never actually called the therapist in, but two girls did end up leaving, but for the most part honestly pretty uneventful like they cooked for themselves. They they cleaned the house. They they they divvied up chores. They clean that kept the house clean. They showered 49:01 like the boys did not shower at all and so like sure yeah think about that. Yeah and so like that was a church camp. We had to be like hey yeah you smell yeah you stink, go shower the girls. The what I will say is the girls did pull pranks on each other and when they pulled the pranks they were a little like meaner like the boys were just like hurting each other. But the girls like there was one scene where a girl was fresh air with another girl and she took a big bucket of water and just dumped it on her bed without her knowing it's like right before 49:31 bedtime and so like her bed was just soaking wet that night and so like there was stuff like that. That was just a little meaner. We're on the boys on the other hand, just fought. I forgot to mention the boys to get in. They split into two groups and did get no like a full scale war and so they split into two separate bedrooms. They were like throwing stuff. I didn't mention that. I forgot that I forgot the war about the war of day three. Yeah, they did. They did get into a whole war. It was four on six 49:56 it was the quiet ones was the loud ones and they were like literally just throwing whatever they could find in the house at each other and it was like it was pretty violent. The caraman didn't like it was like actually angry though or oh yeah. It was like a real war like they were like yeah. They were throwing stuff at each other and so after this they didn't. They were like yeah that this this the girls alone thing wasn't as exciting as the boys and so let's bring those same boys back so five years later in two thousand nine 50:25 They said, hey, remember when this was really cool? and it was a series. because in this show, 50:44 and they both had the food. They had all the stuff, but they were given like tasks that they had to do throughout the course of the week, see and I think that's probably what the what the difference maker is going to be is if they've got to accomplish something together yeah. That'll create a team sense and a sense of like direction yeah, but if it's just five days just do nothing. That's the same thing. I mean like you know, church camp yeah, those team exercises were fun 51:10 but it also like there's a reason we do cabin versus cabin. Yeah, it's because it solidifies your cabin as like we're looking out for each other kind of thing. It didn't go better and actually went way worse, so they because there's girls and there's those like opposite sex involved. Well, what they did was they gave them money and so instead of just stocking the house with all the food and goods that they gave him money, they said you have to budget 51:36 you have to put together a budget and you have to go to the store and you have to buy a mate. You need same age group. You have to buy everything that you need and so they follow these kids. The kids walked down to the local store. They Cameron followed into the store and did not enter. Let's imagine group of ten you drive. You're just driving to work one day right. You're just driving. You see a group of ten children and a camera man and 52:05 the caraman is not interacting with them and is following pretty far behind them. Actually just a there's a group of ten unaccompanied minors by themselves and then maybe fifteen twenty feet later is one man with a camera who is just keeps talking to himself here and you're like you know what I'm going to keep going to work. Good. I don't want to be involved in whatever that is, so they go to the store 52:35 and the kids just buy junk like they don't buy anything of substance. The girls actually bought cigarettes and they smoked them and the camera men did not intervene. How do they buy them? I think they got an adult to buy them for them. I think they went and they found an adult in the parking lot. We're like. Can you buy us the yes? Hey, will you buy the end? The adult was like 53:04 This is the camera. I don't know if I'm oh he just goes he just goes 53:11 that would be great TV. That would be really good TV and the girls smoked them, the girls smoked them and so and the whole concept to show. There was three episodes solo and then the fourth episode they made the girls move into the boys house and that was also chaos and so move in as in like okay. We hold on. There's three episodes same kids, same kids yeah. Okay, they didn't do this three different times. Now it was the same group of kids for them, so those same kids moved in what day 53:41 I'm not sure. Here's what's interesting. I'm foggy on the details and everyone is because this show you can't watch it. It doesn't exist anywhere. It created such a giant backlash that while it was on, there was like government pressure from the United Kingdom to like shut the show down and channel four was like the Queen was like don't do this. Channel four was like we're getting two point four million 54:08 views a night on this like we cannot shut this down. That's not going to happen and do for was like my free, you know, like there and so yeah, channel four kept running the show, despite it being a thing where nobody every there was a massive public uproar, but everyone was watching it. It was the thing and so everyone was like this is child abuse like you can't let this happen and allegedly this one was well and like at that point though it's like guys it already happened. 54:36 Yeah, it's yeah, it's not you're not going to get it to stop. You know, like you're not going to. I think they didn't want them to air it like they don't like we shouldn't put this gonna because because of this one things. Things did get worse. Like there was a situation with a knife where this kid like was arguing with another kid with a knife and like threatening with a knife. There was from the promo. This screenshot comes from the ad that they ran to promote this show like a genuine fistfight between two of the kids. This kid's getting like nailed in the face. 55:06 I don't know how long I can show that without getting demonetized. It's blurry, that's fine and then yeah, and here's another shot from this of them alone at the grocery store. Just a bunch of shows very two thousand nine yeah. Those are those are some cool kids to that's a two thousand nine. Those are like yeah that is the style that's trendy, very trendy so 55:31 this one doesn't go over well. I tried really hard to find footage of it. I found one site that has two of the episodes, but I did say two of them are removed and it was the it was a site where you had to like down there. When I played it popped up and said there's viruses or viruses, you know, yeah, I'm not going to download these from this site, so as far as we can tell, it's been wiped from existence. This this like new series that they did a lot more controversial, a lot more violence, apparently 55:59 11 year old girls smoking cigarettes and they just broadcast it. a lot of potential lawsuits, child and social services was involved. When this one rolled out, they went back and they interviewed the kids 56:22 and like yeah, that was one of the most scarring experiences. My like all of them were like yeah. I have some serious emotional trauma from that yeah. That was very difficult. Sometimes I wake up from my dreams and I'm like on time. You know 56:36 complete like you know, like actually the villain of my dreams is always a camera man. It's like I was a person with a camera as a head is like someone who's just as a head in there and not helping me someone who like could help me who could isn't so in doing anything, but he's choosing not. What do you think like the as a camera man like as an operator as like a production a person on this show, there's got to be some levels of guilt that you feel for not intervening or probably I'm sure I'm sure yeah. I'm sure they feel guilty too, because they yeah they watched a lot of 57:05 sketchy things unfold, especially in the newer season. The older season, like there wasn't. I think in the newer season, I think the producers were like we know how to make this good tv because in two thousand two reality tv was really new. Oh for sure, but it was nine. They were like here give the kids cigarettes yeah watching watching the two. I watched the both the boys and girls alone and it was pretty dull like it was like very slow, like very just for two thousand two ground breaking yeah yeah, but yeah two thousand nine 57:30 they put them in situations. Same thing. We go watch reruns of like those nanny shows. I do all the time. I watch them all the time. Every day I'm watching those British ladies come in to Alabama homes and they just go. I'm here to put this house back in order yeah and they come in and it's a mess. They ride in their little limo like Mary Poppins yeah, so 57:59 a lot of people compare this only I watch. 58:06 I watch reruns of Nanny nine one one, so a lot of people compare the watch that new movies. No, no. Did you watch season for episode nine of Nanny nine one one? Honestly, probably, but I could tell you what happened. It's been twenty years since I watched that and wife swap are my guilty pleasures. Dude, I wife's the great though there 58:36 what a tell me the idea. Okay, no, no, so a lot of people compare this to the the Lord of the Flies, brain stop for a second. A lot of people compare this to the Lord of the Flies right for obvious reasons, and so I I read a lot of like Lord of the Flies. No, I read a lot of like. I read some of the articles about this story and prep for this and in prep for it. I came across this story that we just have to talk about 59:09 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 59:37 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 01:00:09 about a guy named Peter Warner. Have you heard of Peter Warner? No, are you doing a different going deeper? Okay, Peter Warner, he was alive from 1931 to twenty twenty one. He was a son of a guy named Sir Arthur Warner, who ran a company called Electronic Industries, a very big electrics company in Australia, okay, electronics company in Australia, 01:00:39 when he was a kid, he got an interest in sailing though, and so he couldn't make a career out of sailing, so he became an accountant for his dad's company, did that for years, but he would sail on like vacations. He would sail boat around Australia as a kid. Well, this now is early adulthood, so he's gonna keep working as an accountant for his dad and then on September, eleventh, nineteen sixty six. He is on one of these sailing trips for like vacation by himself. I believe so actually okay, 01:01:06 and he's sailing. He comes across the island of a ta. This is the island, a very small deserted island and he notices her did yeah. There's nothing there. Well, that is we got to get some key terms here. Deserted means there was something there. Oh yeah, yeah. So there was actually this. So this island was there was a local tribe that lived on this island for forever and they actually all got kidnapped during the slave trade and so it's vacant now. 01:01:34 but there's like structures and stuff from when they were there. So it is a desert and is stuff that was okay. Okay, okay. Yeah, this was an island that had so at the top of it. You can kind of see that like mound at the top. The back end of that is a little crater. This is was a volcano okay, okay and inside there like an ancient volcano yeah inside there's where their little village was oh okay, okay, okay, yeah, so cross is island yeah, so it comes across this island and he's just sailing on his little sail trip. I don't know 01:02:04 1966 and so he's smoking his pipe and then he notices from that the island runs eyes a little bit and he sees a kid running off the island shirtless jumps in the water and is like running across the water like waving at him and then he sees from the bush another kid come running out of the bushes and then another kid come running out of the bushes and then another kid come running out of the bushes eventually there's a group of like eight kids jumping around 01:02:33 comes in and gets close enough to where one of them could swim out and the kid says, hey, we've been stuck on this island for fifteen months and he's like what what it's a group. There's a group of eight boys and there was one of them had a watch that could tell it's been fifteen months and that he sees a dude with a camera cover out for the bushes. He's like oh, I've been out here with his kids for fifty months. I've had a radio to call for help 01:03:01 but I just thought that that would ruin the episode experiment. That was so big beard. What happened was the kid. So these kids are fourteen. They go to a Catholic school on the island nation of Tonga and they were in class one day bored and they like it's a beautiful day out and so lost on an island. So they went down to the pier and they stole someone's boat and they were like oh, it's going to be a great day, so they just went out on the boat. 01:03:30 and they had no intention of like going far. They're like, we're just going to sail out, enjoy the day, go back to land. They sail out, make anchor somewhere, and then they all fall asleep. And then a storm hits and it breaks their anchor. And then they just go drifting and they try to open up the sail. The sail gets shattered in the wind. And so then they just drift. And he said, they drifted for eight days at sea until eventually they drifted to this island. And they hit the island. They swam up to the island. 01:04:00 and then they survived on this island for fifteen months. These kids they got together and they set up a fire at the top of that mountain and it was is nineteen sixty six is nineteen sixty six and they set up this fire and so this was their eternal in the summer of sixty five yeah. They go missing and they survive fifteen months. Yes, eight fourteen year old boys surviving a fifteen months on a deserted island on a deserted island and they set up at the top of the mountain. They set up a flame 01:04:29 so they're like this is our signal fire. We're going to keep it burning. This is our eternal fire for when the Olympic games get started on this island because we're going to have to repopulate somehow, even though yeah, they're not sure how that's going to work, but and so they do. They keep that fire burning for fifteen months. It never goes out. They said they kept it burning for fifteen months and took fifteen months for anyone to see the fire. That's how remote this island is and they they start hunting. They start fishing 01:04:55 they start killing like the birds around and like little small animals that are on the island. They find the tribe that lived there had a farm and so they found when that that tribe got abducted they took all of the other chickens were left behind. So there's like a hundred chickens live on the island. So they were taking the eggs from the chickens, they were killing some of the chickens and cooking them like surviving off the island and the dude was 01:05:23 the guy who find found him Peter like didn't believe the story because these kids were so fit like he's like he's like these kids should not be this fit. If they were trapped on this island for fifty, they should not nourish. They should yeah yeah, but they were like in incredible shape and he said he said yeah. We were running around the island. That's a detail that he put in his kids were too hot. His kids were like freaking. He was a we're in great shape for kids who but I noticed at one point you could tell this island is like it's it's a 01:05:52 it's a cliff, the island and so at one point one of the boys did fall off that cliff and break his leg and they using sticks. They stinted it and were able to like heal his leg and so that kid that kid he didn't have his job had like survival skill. Oh they had to be boy scouts yeah. These were eagle scouts for sure Alex. How long could you make it on a deserted island? Do you think I mean how talking to your microphone 01:06:21 Oh fine, now you can't hear me. 01:06:24 back to you. Oh sorry, say it again. I mean how many people there eight eight and you're all jazz. You could eat seven people. Well, how many people I mean, what's the supply like Alex? Are you a cannibal cut his mic cut his mic cut his mic guys? You don't see this right now, but he's he's looking at Tim with a knife and a for Alex put that down 01:06:56 That's crazy. So what's your number yeah? If there's if there's eight people, I mean probably quite a while. Let's say that only four of them have your skill set. Yeah, four of them are dead white. Yeah, does that change it? I feel like as long as there's a few people that are able to help. What if you're the only one? What if you're the like? What if what if the three of us were stranded somewhere and like 01:07:24 We have the ability to do the things you tell us to do. 01:07:29 Does that make sense? Yeah, but we probably want to know what to do. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how long we'd make that. Let's try it next season till on on the 01:07:45 so these boys surviving yeah. They sent up. They set up a series of hollowed out coconuts to collect rain water and so they could have like safe drinking water. Like they set up this whole system to survive and they did. They survived for fifteen months. The guy when he met the kids, he didn't believe it and so he radios back to shore and he says hey, I got a group of eight boys that I found under this island. They said they'd been here for fifteen months, the missing eight and the guy, the guy on the other side was like hold on. 01:08:15 And he's like, I didn't hear anything for 20 minutes. comes back and was clearly choked up. And tells them where to bring him. and the family's there, the family's losing them. They were like, it's been 15 months, 01:08:44 and all of them are alive and well, and so all of them are sobbing jacked all the parents are like what you do, your shoulders. 01:08:58 like everyone's like eight hot kids eight jack teens found on an island like that's the one detail they start that if that was if that happened today, that's a hundred percent the detail that would run. Oh my gosh and so they're all reunite. They all become fitness influencers. Their I'm serum like if you want abs like mine, you're going to have to go to an island for fifteen months 01:09:28 So they all they're all hugging their parents. It's a really emotional moment and then the police comes and arrests all of them and takes him to jail for theft because they stole the boat and the guy's boat found out that they found him and he was like yeah. I want to press charges. That was an expensive boat and so he arrests all of them. Peter's standing right there and he's like are you kidding me right now? And so Peter telegraphs his dad. He's like he's like hey, I crazy story. 01:09:53 he's like you're like let's just get past the bar. I found some boys, I found some jacked boys. Anyways, we have to. Can I have a few hundred dollars? I got to pay off this boat debt. It's nineteen sixty, so that's a lot of money and his dad's like whatever much was the boat that so he comes back and he he gives the guy a hundred and fifty bucks and the guy's like this will cover it. It's nineteen sixty six. It's also an island nation in nineteen sixty six, 01:10:22 and so at the time a hundred fifty dollars is what I mean when I say rich people have always been goblins. You know if you see the video, there's a reporter who was talking to somebody. This is like a couple weeks ago yeah and they're at the boat dock and the guy is like oh man. You know the economy so bad because of all this stuff and like people can't afford groceries yeah and she just goes. Do you feel like you're in the best position to talk about that as you get on your yacht? 01:10:51 and he freaking loses his mind. That's really good, so that I just did the inflation calculator. That's fifteen hundred dollars today, so I mean which is still it's a cheap boat, but I think you got to remember. Also, this is a small island nation, so like it's there 01:11:10 but still you they've been missing for a year. They m is missing for over a year and they come back and you're like what about my fifteen hundred dollars about my boat again? We can probably figure that out dude, so he pays for the boat and then he goes to the king of this nation and he says hey, I would like to have that island. No, what he says is he said he said I'd like two things and the kigs like I'll give you one. The gig was like I will grant you anything for finding our lost boys, our lost Jack boys 01:11:39 and he says he says okay two things one. He said I would like is ripped rapscallions. He's like he's like I would like exclusive rights to the story and then to I would like fishing rights to the seas around your island nation and the King grants them both of those and so he takes the story rights and he sells it so they could create the story like the film the story line and then he sets up and does his dream. He's like he's like he sets up a fishing company so he can sail around these islands. 01:12:09 instead of being an accountant for his dad's company and then he three years later hires all of these eight boys to be a part of his fishing crew when they graduate high school and so here he is with the he's the he's the the dude on the they're all still Jack. Yeah, they join him and they go fishing with him on the sea for years. I don't know if you notice anything, but the guy in charge 01:12:39 He's got a watch. He's got a watch on him. 01:12:44 so yeah, that's the story of Peter. This is Peter is this guy to get you a close shot of him where he's got a rich dude's haircut yeah, especially in the sixties where he discovered these these kids and saved them, saved their lives. That's not a shan, they survived that long. That's pretty incredible. They also set up along all across this island. They set up a 01:13:10 food garden where they grew their own food. They had that rainwater system with the holladaw holladaw trees and coconuts. They built a gymnasium, a badminton court and they had a chicken enclosures and then they had that permanent fire burning for someone to see that fire and come rescue them. And then they the kid got examined from a doctor afterwards and they said, I mean your break healed perfectly fine. You guys did exactly what you needed to do and that's crazy because you heal a broken bone. You think I mean if it's just 01:13:39 putting together a splint yeah. I hate the hubris. I'm proud of my eagle scum. Yeah, I mean yeah easy. I mean yeah, I'm an eagle scout, so yeah, those are those are a few stories of boys being left alone. A couple of them went well. One of them went well. The rest of them did not go well. Wow, so that's crazy. Anyways, what here's what's wild. They say that eat to this day 01:14:08 if you sail by the island of a ta, I don't know if anything's on that island anymore. It looks completely deserted now yeah, but they say to this day. If you say I was ever want to go back like they're ever like I miss the island. I don't know. I mean yeah, maybe I don't know you know, but if you sail along that island at the perfect time at night, they say you can hear the sounds of a fiddle off beautiful. Do you think this is how fiddle? Is what you think 01:14:39 where you think it was a way. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like that last story about Peter Warner, you probably going to like Julianne cop. It's a story very similar, but there's one person and she survived a plane crash and also survived in the wilderness for like a really long time. It's an absolutely bonkers survival story. So if you like those, you're going to like that one. Check that out. Julianne cop key, uh, hey and hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, 01:15:07 Make sure you subscribe, comment, hit the bell, all this stuff that YouTubers tell you to do. And if you want to support the show, you can do that on Patreon. Our patrons get access to all sorts of great stuff, like this episode early, ad free, they get a Discord with our hosts and producers. There's even a way to hang out with us once a month on a video call. It's a ton of fun and it helps make this show possible. We appreciate all of our patrons. That's the best way to support. But if not, thanks for being here and we'll see you next week on Things I Learned Last Night.


Have you ever wondered what would happen if kids had to live on their own without any adult supervision? Two documentaries, Boys Alone and Girls Alone, show us exactly that. These shows provide a unique glimpse into how children react when given the freedom to manage a household and their behavior. What Happens in Boys Alone? Boys Alone is an … Read More

The United States Is Building a Wall… Of Worms | Worm Wall Ep 243

10-01-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 America's at war, open your eyes people were at war with flesh eating worms. That's right. The US and Central America are trying to create a barrier to a completely eradicate a type of worm slash fly yeah. So next time you see an IRS rep say thank you for killing the work. That's what your tax dollars at work. 00:17 fighting the war on worms, the war, the war more or more. Anyway, so why you're giving money to the I R S? You can also give money to me by tickets to my shows this weekend. I'm in Oklahoma next week and I was Arizona and the rest of the month is the smoking hot life comedy tour with Shamah Marima. We're in Virginia and Massachusetts and then November. We've got some crazy fun tour dates, so I will probably be somewhere near you soon. Hopefully, that would be great. 00:46 so this is a podcast. It's a comedy podcast. We're going to laugh a whole lot and then maybe you're going to learn something stuff about screw worms. Yeah, like and subscribe and share it and or if you hate it, just keep quiet. Don't don't tell anybody except for the comments. Don't tell any 01:06 Here's the episode. 01:10 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the great American warm wall? The great American what worm wall, the great American, I thought yeah, I thought you said worm wall, but I was like there's no way I heard great American worm wall. I don't know if that's what is actually called. It's like that's what is it a wall really called kind of because I don't want to do an episode about a wall of war. It's a metaphorical wall of worms, but it is, but it is a wall of worms okay. 01:40 I think I miss when we had an intro. You know we had music because we just go like just roll it. You know I mean we could get a little bumper. You know whatever yeah so this is it's funny. You get it. It helps in comedy. There's a rule of three. You have to do it the way we're going to understand the worm was if we start with understanding the worm 02:13 I'm sorry. 02:21 Okay. I hate you for that, that was good. All right, let's understand the worm. Okay, so there's a specific breed of worm called the screw worm. And the screw worm is called a screw worm because it kind of resembles a screw and because of its life cycle. So an adult screw worm looks like this fly. And they were, they're- This is a worm? This is an adult worm. So- 02:47 I say Pupate into the larvas. You pay yeah, that's the word I know, but I don't like that you used it okay, so they start out as one they pupate you pay into that, but the there I remember I Pupated that's the word. Yeah, you're right. It is your domin is so their flies are fairly large flies and they used to be like a lot. 03:14 in the United States. They used to be very, very common flies a deal with cicadas. What do you mean? What's they only come out every seven years? No, that's not true. They come out in force every seven years. It's their election year and I remember the freaking cicada olympia. What's happening every seven years? They're like yeah, I don't know exactly. I don't know the science, but here's my shot at it. I think there's a few breeds and I think there's certain breeds that come out every year, but then there's certain breeds. 03:42 that come out every seven years. What does that mean? They come out? Where do they come from? I think they're, where do they go in their caves? Are they the McRib? It's cut yeah, yeah, yeah, we're bringing up as are back. I mean, this was the year that they're aggressive. I remember yeah, twenty seventeen in Kansas City. Yeah, I was like oh my gosh dude. Yeah, I don't know why these cicadas because you walk outside and you're just like I it's almost like I like a like a noise machine. Yeah, well you walk outside and you're like I can't hear myself think right now. 04:11 it's so we don't have him in L. A. By the way, oh really, we didn't have him in Denver. It blew me away the first time I heard him. I love him. I genuinely I'm not kidding. I genuinely love sitting in back porch and you love hearing that yeah, I do. I really like the sound like it's it's relive like that. I can tell what year I was when I was a kid because I have those memories and I go that was two thousand three because you know the because the cicadas were out. Well, they're out every year. That's just how much are out 04:39 No, you can tell when they're out. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like sometimes it's louder like yes. Yesterday, actually I walked back in the house and I told Brio's I was like cicadas are louder today than they've been all year because this year was supposed to be a big year for them, but here it hasn't been very big like is big been big south of us, but here it's been pretty average hot, hot, hot, hot, hot. Yeah, it's usually the worst in August and September like through the fall. Interesting. Yeah, so because I remember anyway quite 05:09 basically what this says is that they hatch every seventeen years and it's because of predators. They hatch every seventeen years lately in thirteen thirteen there's some of them are thirteen some of our seventeen so they and so the but the brood will hatch and so that brood will hatch and a bunch of where they lay their eggs. Where are they at? I don't know whether I guessing in the dirt, but I think what happened for seventeen years. 05:34 Yeah, and then they come out and I think it's to avoid predators because they're like if we're only out once every seventeen years, it's hard. They can't get us. I don't know, but it says brood. So my guess is that they pinpointed all the broods. And so every seven years, like a brood is just like a pile of eggs. That's what I'm saying. What is cicada eggs look like? I have no idea. Well, that's not if only that's not what the episodes about. I didn't research this. Okay, well, I do like the sound. It's it's quaint to me. 06:04 It reminds me of summer. It feels like summer. The sound feels like summer to me to me and it's nice. I like sitting on the back and sample it and make a summer song to the drinking my sweet tea, researching cicada thirty three or one yeah and trying to figure out the mystery pre video. Wow, that's crazy. Okay, so screw worms. That is an adult screw arm. It's a fly 06:34 what the fly, this flies cub, so what what they do is they're native to like south America. Over the course of time, they've migrated into the Americas, okay, so they were really, really popular in North America for a long time, right. The way that they their life cycle goes is an adult screw arm will go and lay her eggs where she lays her eggs is in the wound of an animal, the open wound of 07:03 a live animal goes and finds an open wound drops a bunch of eggs in there. Those eggs hatch. You're going to like this part buckle up hatch and up to be a eat the flesh, so the eggs hatch and then they burrow in and they eat the flesh. They look like screws and so they screw in and they eat the flesh and they eat all the flesh around to get to all the nutrients that they need. Once they grow large enough, then they drop out of the body, dig into the dirt pupate, come out of full full, you paid yeah 07:32 And so obviously this is not healthy for animals. It happened when these were popular. A very common place that they burrowed was in deer because deer they would get in their fights with their horns, get wounds, and then they would burrow into the deer. That was really popular. Home sweet home. Another thing that was really popular was livestock. Livestock was constantly getting infected. For us. Yeah. 08:01 And then also people, sometimes it did happen to people. It was pretty rare, but it did happen to people. I just cut my whole arm off. Yeah, and it's dangerous because obviously it's a flesh eating parasite. So that's not good, but it also like, it leads to infections and all sorts of other health concerns. So it's not a good thing. The estimate is that in the early 50s, this was costing the United States $750 million a year, United States farmers, because it was killing cattle. 08:30 and or making that cattle not sellable when they killed it or took the I think if they got infected too they couldn't milk it because it was not safe for like human consumption. So the USDA was like this is the major problem we need to come up with a solution for this and so they started working on this and oh wait this is actually the 30s and actually I worry 08:58 No, I said fifties, but this was the thirties because there was a guy, a scientist by the name of Nippling Edward F. Canipling. I'm going to be honest with you. I read that and I'm pretty confident it's nippling, but every video I've read or listened to, the guy calls him the narrator calls him canipling, so I'm going to say that to to fit in with the crowd, but I'm pretty sure they're all wrong and it's nippling because the K is silent in a word like that. Usually 09:27 There's no there's no vowel after it's just K. And I don't know. Edward F. Nippling, he was a USDA entomologist in the 30s and he was tasked with figuring out this problem. Right. One thing he realized in his studies was the screw arm only made it once and then it would never made again for the rest of its life. That was this one shot at reproduction. And so he said if they're yeah, the fly. 09:56 and so they said if there was a way we could they call the fly the screw worm still. I actually am not sure once it becomes a fly. If they actually call it, if they change the name, I don't know. Okay, I mean maybe probably screw or fly screw fly. So the screw fly, he said if there was a way for us to sterilize these flies and mass, then they would basically make themselves out of existence because they only made once. And so if 10:26 one of them one side of that was sterile, then they wouldn't be able to reproduce anymore right, and so he started researching ways to sterilize flies and the complicated surgery a little and so the problem with that though was this was the thirty's and then the war happened, and so he went off to the war and had to do the war thing for a little bit and then the war thing the war ended and the war inspired him. 10:55 because at the end of the war, something happened, the atomic bomb, and he was like oh, we just bomb these. He's like, why don't we just drop a bomb on him? Have you ever nuking the flies? We thought about nuking him. No, he was like he's like wait a second. Well, I shouldn't say he said wait a second radiation. What happened is he saw the effect of everyone who survived the bomb and then he's like wait, radiation might be our solution, and so what he did is he got a friend 11:22 who had an x-ray machine. I shouldn't say friend, probably a colleague that had a lab with an x-ray. It wasn't just like his neighbor. I just go to my house. I got an x-ray machine in my basement. It's right next to the poker table and on Thursdays we do pool night. If you're a fan of billiards, you can come on over and my wife will cook us some. I don't know. She's been on a she's been on a Amish bread kick lately, so we might eat some of that yeah and 11:49 but if you're busy Thursdays on Fridays, we do x rays. We figure out what your bow is like. I don't know what your guys just slamming beers and going it got less fun when we saw that tumor. Yeah, that was a pretty disappointing guys night. Yeah, so we just put Gary down right then and there we made him walk. We just told him walk and not stop. We flushed him down the toilet. 12:19 We told his wife he went to the farm. 12:26 okay, so he found his friend who's got an x-ray machine all right and canipa leg and his friend. They start taking flies. I hate when I go to the dentist and they put that heavy blanket on you. Oh gosh yeah, that's that's a I was so they're gonna shoot me. I was on there to put it on me and they're gonna be like not bulletproof yet. Got out a layer, so they they start 12:54 taking flies and sitting them down in the X-ray machine and X-raying them, catching with chopsticks just yeah and then they start testing them to see if they're sterile there and so after a while they figure out it takes five passes through the X-ray machine to sterilize a fly and so like we've got our solution. How many passes through a machine does it take to sterilize a human? I mean probably a lot more than five because I mean flies are way smaller than how often I fly. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you think I don't. 13:24 I think the radiation there is probably a lot less Because if you think about it, 13:38 Yeah, it's for your protection. There's a lot of radiation. Yeah, I think the x-rays at the airport are just pretty crazy that we haven't figured out something else, though, you know? To x-ray you? I don't think that's kind of crazy. I think it is. Because it's light. I understand what it is. I'm just saying, I feel like we're at a point where science could probably figure out how to do it with less radiation. It did, though. It's x-rays. Right. 14:06 But I'm saying they could keep progress. I feel like they just stopped. 14:11 I I'm having a hard time with this. I'm saying yeah. I know what you're saying. I just don't understand why. I think that the thing is like there's not a reason we got it. We figured it out. No, we're still getting radiation every time we do it yeah, but it's such a small amount. It's the same amount that you get just from breathing outside yeah, and I think we should fix that too. 14:32 I mean yeah, I guess maybe we can try to be the same thing is like you're still eating micro plastics. Yeah, none of us should be eating microplastic. That's kind of the whole point. That's what I'm saying. I become radicalized where we should probably fix all these problems. I saw I saw a meme and it was like it. I my grandpa body full of lead, my dad body full of asbestos, me body full of microplastics and it's like they're all like doing that arm thing holding. We're all in this together, baby, 15:01 Anyways, so they basically figured out the dosage of radiation to give a fly to sterilize them. And so then he writes a paper and puts it out and it's like, hey, we need, I don't know, a few million dollars to breed a giant group of flies, sterilize them, and then release them to the wild to eradicate this. Right. And it was pretty widely criticized. There was a quote. I don't know if we could say this, but I'm going to say it and then maybe 15:31 Alex, you decide you decide if we should censor this or not. It was a quote. It was quote idiotic insect sex scheme was what they the critics were calling this because they were just going to sterilize a bunch of them and make a make. Where did you think we couldn't say in that idiotic? They were going to sterilize them out of excess right? 15:58 people thought it was a bad idea. People were like there's no they're going to dump a bunch of these into the world and expect that to work and so did they do this with mosquitoes as well? I'm pretty sure I read. I think I sent this to you. They might have because this was a I think we talked about this on our discord with the member, the patreon hang out thing where we talked about how they were trying to get rid of mosquitoes in California. Maybe I think this is what they did interesting yeah anyway. 16:30 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 16:41 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patrons supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 17:13 he's campaigning for it. Some people think it's a bad idea to see certain people. They don't want us all to have kids. There's a lot of people who think is a bad idea, but he is eventually able to secure some funding for a test run in Florida, and so they put together or in not Florida. 17:34 car car carousel. Is that how you say that the island nation care? How did you get Florida from that? Well, how did you go? Not it's later in the story is like the story carousel. I jumped. I jump story, so caruso carousel carousel. That's how you pronounce it. I don't know Alex has it. Where are we time? It's an island nation in the Caribbean that has a bunch of Caribbean 18:03 it that has a bunch of screw or it's a smaller island nation. So like oh it's it's small enough. We could actually pull this off, so they go. They make a bunch of flies and you were like that's Florida. This happened. Okay, if I got some supporting for Florida, I mean gosh somewhere in the Caribbean. So what they did is they same thing put together a few million flies right and then they radiated them all and so they'd be sterilized and then they cooled them down. So they would basically be in like a chirogenic sleep. 18:32 and then they put these cool boxes into a plane and they flew over the island and they had a guy in the plane, dumped the boxes, and so that way all the flies would fall out of the boxes and the fall they would hit normal temperature and they'd wake up falling from the airplane, go down to the island, go down to the island and then mate. 18:56 with all of sure I got a mate right now, but all of the the flies in the I had a near death experience, maybe once you fall. Once you wake up falling out of a plane, he's realized life too short. Things in perspective and in in I need to become a family man now now and then you know the the start pay out. So here's a shot from that test. 19:23 of him inspecting some fly boxes. What year is this? This is in 51 when they did this initial test. And so they flew over and they did it and it worked. They are that within a few months of running these tests, the fly was completely eradicated from the island. OK, so imagine you go down there to count the flies, right? You're like, OK, let's see if we can. And you spend like a whole week, I haven't seen a single fly. We did it. Yeah, we did it. And you get. 19:50 Back to the airport, you're getting ready to fly back, you get in the little plane, they're doing the run up, doing pre-check stuff, and then in your plane is just a zzzz 20:14 no more, no more screw rooms here right. Sometimes I just look at the camera and I go you guys hear him right? Swimmingly what the heck? Where's your pipe? The test goes swimmingly idiot. I've just said through this and so the and that sells is something popping my neck right now. You change hats, Celsius, live fit, pop your neck, 20:41 Did you change your head and change my hat to make it seem like a different episode? I have a completely different shirt. I meant to change into the same shirt on different at same shirt, same at different hat, different at same shirt. Okay, same crap. So my manager says we need to post more about them. That's why I'm going to post a picture and just caption it. My manager says I have to post this 21:09 my manager keeps threatening me. So the Florida Cattlemen's Association, here's about this test sure and they were like hey, all of our cattle are dying from these screw worms and they're like. Can you please do this here and so they started campaigning the USDA yeah, they said er yes, I'm positive. I jumped ahead in the story early okay, fine. So they they campaign the USDA the USDA took him a few years, but in nine to fifty seven they're like fine. We'll do it for you and so they do a campaign to do this and 21:39 Florida and they work their way up and they basically create a line and so they they're pushing the border of screw arms from the the keys all the way up to the panhandle and then you're out of Florida and it works they in a matter of a couple years eradicate the screw arm from Florida. Wow. And so the USDA is like this is great and so they keep pushing that line and so they push it up to the south pushed across the west and they end up getting this the entire continental United States eradicated. 22:09 The problem is they have to maintain this eradication because they're still screw arms in Mexico right and so they have what they're doing at the time is they are flying over the entire Mexican border and they're dumping two hundred million sterile flies a week on the border to keep these flies from mating and then you know looks like if you just see like and so 22:35 This is how are they getting the flies that they're sterilizing? Oh, they've got a plant they're farming flies and so they've got a whole like internal ranch, an indoor ranch of where they're having the mate yeah and then they're pubating them yeah, so they have non sterile flies that they're using to create and then they're the ones that they're creating. They're sterilizing and then dropping them out of the plane. Science could get rid of mosquitoes. You know saying yeah 22:57 Well, the benefit is the I don't know about mosquitoes. I don't know how many times mosquitoes made in their life. The benefit of these is they made once and then you're done right. So the United States is like, hey, I think we're spending more money than we need to be spending on this. The US Mexico board is really big. Mexico's got that spot in the middle of Mexico. That's pretty thin, and so they call it Mexico and they're like, hey, you guys know these screw worms and they're like, yeah, screw those worms. They're like they're like, hey, 23:26 What if at least she didn't do what I thought you were like? What if we work together to get rid of them in Mexico and they're like what's the catch and it's just cheaper for us because it's thinner there and so we have a thinner border to run and then like okay cool and he's like in the US was like okay, let's do some math. How many cattle do you have on the north side of Mexico and like how much cattle do we have and so they basically figured out we're going to split the cost based on how much cows were saving her 23:55 And so the US was going to pay 80%. Mexico was going to pay 20%. And they moved the border down to that halfway point in Mexico where it's pretty thin. And so they ran that into the 80s doing the same thing, dumping flies less than they were before, but still dumping a lot of flies every single week. And then over time, Mexico was like, hey, but wait, we've got more country down there. Can't we just do this further down? And so year on year, it starts becoming a thing where 24:24 Mexico and the United States are calling every country further down the Central America and just like, Hey, you guys want to get rid of those flies? And then they're all starting to pour into this budget and moving that, that border down. And over the course of the 1900s, that line just keeps getting moved down and moved down and moved down and moved down until eventually it has reached the isthmus of Panama and it hit that point in 2001. 24:52 and so that's our barrier right now. There's a point in the middle of Panama where we're doing this and we do this to this day. There's an organization there called cope, which first of all cope, peg has probably the coolest logo out of any government organization. We stinking pretty sick, pretty sick. It's just a fly in a radiation symbol because we're radiating those flies out of existence. Yeah, no pubating here, no pubating here. Okay, 25:22 I just realized something, but I'm going to save it for the after the fiddle. I pulled a Mitch McConnell and so now copag in two thousand one. They built this big facility and this is their farm where they are creating all these flies is a prison for flies. Yeah, this is private fight fly prison and they are all it takes is two of them to get out though. You know saying I mean not. I mean 25:51 Yeah, but there is a ground game here and we'll talk about that in a second. What a ground game they they know that though you can't defeat a species like this just with the air attack. You got to go on the ground to yeah and you got to use mental warfare. They convince some of the flies that there were vampires in their area. Yeah, yeah, watch out. So the CIA did that. That's actually something the CIA tried to do is they convinced to yeah 26:20 We talked about that in an episode right in the M K. What episode was that M K ultra? Okay, yeah, you're right. We'll link it somewhere. It'd be cool if you could click that on the screen or something. Yeah, we're not going to do that. Alex put a note in, so I actually do it. Hey Alex, would you please take a note of that so that maybe we can remember to do that? Do you see how I talked to them like a person and you talk to them like like an AI assistant? He is an AI right Alex take so 26:48 They know that's not the right way to do it. Oh, you certainly sorry. So that I tell you, I was, I was looking up something. It was about our episodes. I was trying to create some threads or content for the stuff and it got one of the facts wrong. Okay. About one of the stories and I said, no, this is the real one. And then it goes, oh, you're right. And then it gave me the, the, the post again with the real facts and I was like, 27:14 did you just say that because I told you was wrong or did it was I actually right about that? I think it was no, you were right about that. I was like and trust. This is all interesting, you know, interesting. So copeg is here and they are producing inside that factory. These things have like a six day life span, so they don't live very long yeah, but every week they're producing around twenty million screw worms and then they're radiating them and four days a week. They take a flight 27:44 with a little over two million of them and they have a rigged plane. So this is them loading up flying the cockpit and then one of the things is actually opens and all of a sudden there's just freaking fly and ever flying all over. Gosh, Rick, that would be such a nightmare. And so what they do is they take a flight. There's a tech who mans the bomb bay doors and then there's the pilot and the tech opens up the doors and they fly over the ism of Panama and it's quite literally a wall. They just 28:13 they spend four hours flying back and forth, just slowly dropping these like rhythmically yeah to make sure that they really do create a wall of these worms to stop them from being able to mate past that line and then what they do with what's left over is they kind of have like a strategic reserve. Were they getting money for this 28:36 the United States, the USDA is paying for this. Wow! Well, I mean I should say flights a week. I shouldn't say just the USDA. It's like this whole North American consortium of nations. It's like we don't want this in our country sure and so so yes, what you're saying is we're paying for it. They to keep the flies out 29:00 build the wall pretty much. It's a worm wall, a worm, a worm wall, and so they're dropping a little over two million of these flies every couple over Panama every every couple days, and he's the grove next to the wall next to that area, the plane coming. Oh yeah, you come. They come to drop all the flies. The Atlantic has an article for this and I'm going to pull this real quick. I didn't pull this to 29:28 originally, but I am going to they did like a like a rendering of this for the article and I think it it's beautiful. Honestly, this is the Atlantic's rendering of what that would look like. Yeah, I mean that's a little bit more organized than it probably is, but they yeah. I don't think they're trained to fly in formation like well. What's interesting is because they because they basically freeze them, and so when they hit the air 29:56 they thought and then they wake up, so they're they're knocked out halfway through that flight and then they wake up and I'm sure they lose their minds and they like start flying really crazy. So if you were, if you were watching that you'd see him about halfway just falling and then all of a sudden they wake up and they start probably being pretty erratic on the way down. I have videos of this. I haven't seen any videos like of it cool happening maybe, but I didn't come across any and so 30:23 But here's the thing they're producing twenty million a week. They're only dropping eight to ten million a week and they don't live long. And so the question is what what are they doing with the other twenty million? Well, a portion of that goes back into the breeding to keep the population alive, right there, sterile population alive and then a portion of them they freeze and they put away for a rainy day because sometimes these outbreaks happen. So the Florida Keys 30:52 in the early 2000s had an outbreak of screwworms because there are some nations in the Caribbean and then South America especially is not part of this. They're still there. And so there are occasions where things get shipped from South America or they somehow make the jump from Cuba to the Keys and there's an outburst, what's the word I'm looking for? Outbreak? 31:20 of the screw worms and so they have to do something about it and so then they wake up their frozen soldiers. They're still frozen soldiers, come on and then they fly over. They drop the worms in that you think you figured out how to unfreeze Walt Disney's brain yet that's not actually there. You don't think so that's not actually there right. I sign court in the conditions 31:48 That's not actually well, I was interested because they're they're doing a new animatronic in Disneyland. Yeah, we're mr You know, mr. Lincoln is you have like an afternoon or get an encounter with mr Lincoln. Yeah, it's an animatronic of Abe Lincoln and all that stuff they're putting in a showing of an animatronic of waltz or waltz of Walt. Yeah, and 32:12 I don't think so many amatronic. I think it's gonna be in. I think they're bringing him back. You think they're putting his brain in a robot, the coolest comeback of twenty twenty five. If Disney was like hey, by the way, here's Disney, that would be pretty cool. I think we'll be alive when it happens. I doubt that's real, but then I mean, I guess there's a chance. I guess anything's possible. 32:37 but I don't that's. This is your little unbelief thing happening now. Is it as your little? Oh okay. Oh, you know what you're right sure you're right to be skeptical about the. I should do some source criticism. Why would they? Why would they do that? Why would they be like 32:51 oh the founder of our company dies episodes going swimmingly. Let's cut his head off and freeze it and bury it. Why? Who does that? Who says my boss just died? I'm going to cut his head off and freeze it and bury him. People whose boss told him to do that before we die. Dude, yeah, who's boss was like I'm going to create a village where people never have to leave all right and like honestly we're never going to let him leave and then when he dies like oh shoot. I guess we'll turn this in one of the other parks and call it Epcot, but the original idea 33:21 was pretty freaking terrifying. Yeah, maybe episode about that too. It's linked somewhere Alex, write it down. 33:31 Hey, you know what? 33:37 show sucks. You don't seem so stressed right now. I say the energy to the thing. This isn't a sponsored segment, but I tried yesterday. This is not sponsored. I hope not, but I hope that whatever you're about to say didn't was like hey bring this up after a controversial Disney bit. 34:00 Have you ever heard of odd job hats? 34:12 Oh, should I drink? What do you do to Celsius? You can't do to Celsius. That's gonna get a cups good for the day. Are you good? Oh, thinking about that's gonna give me the hiccups. Are you good? Can we proceed? I think so. Okay, so I dang it. No, I 34:38 No. Okay. So here's the thing. I yesterday I bought an ad I fell for an ad and it was the rise app. Have you ever heard of this? Does it help you wake up in the morning? Kind of. It's a sleep app. It is a sleep app but it's I don't think it's I mean I guess that's part of it. The concept is like you take a quiz and then you connect your Apple health data and it takes both of those to like deduce your peak melatonin production. 35:08 during that peak production, you'll sleep through the night and you're going to wake up at the time that you need to wake up or that like your time is your bed time is so mine said between ten forty eight and eleven fifteen. That was the window and says everyone's somewhere between a thirty minute and hour long window where you're at the peak production. If you go to sleep during that, then you're going to have the best of ever and I it I'll be honest could be placebo, but first night 35:37 Honestly, one of the best sleeps I've had in like months. And I did. I, it said, it said, wake up at six a.m. Is what it told me. It said, go to bed here, wake up here. And I actually woke up five 59 on my own before my alarm woke up. And I went on. So I actually, and I didn't wake up at all through the night and I feel great. I have noticed that, that you can, your body has like an internal alarm clock. Yeah. Your circadian rhythm. And while I'm saying like, if you set an alarm for six 30, your body, 36:06 well at six twenty five wake up yeah yeah your body knows it's really hard to do a podcast with the hiccups. I'm getting really frustrated over here, but I'm doing my best to stop pick up just stop just stop it. I was even thinking like okay. I'm going to try to intentionally hiccup into the microphone that'll make it not happen and then it happened so that sucks. Here we go. I'm going to really yeah Alex. You can just edit it out and it out his hiccups sensor on bleep him every time he hiccups 36:35 But anyways, what I'm saying is you should try it. It's pretty cool and it also tells you where your energy is throughout the day. So based on like your sleep, it's like here's your peak energy time. So it's like do all your important tasks because your energy is not going to be the highest right there. It's pretty cool. It's a good app. Anyways, we're not sponsored and if we were, we probably want to talk about a while. Jared has the hiccups. I'm trying so hard to get rid of them. Yeah, I can tell you are anyways, just keep hiccuping over there. I'll talk about Copac a little more. So they had this outbreak. 37:03 in the fort keys in the early two thousands you're falling apart. I'm trying so hard not to hiccup and it's real. It's really taking me off a hold your breath, hold your breath, pause, let me walk. Oh my gosh 37:24 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 37:52 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 38:25 So in the early 2000s, they popped back up in the Florida Keys. Right. And they took that extra surplus that they had and flew over and dropped them and re-eradicated them. And this happens every so often where throughout Central America, North America, the Caribbean, where there will be these little outbreaks and they'll fly over, re-eradicate them to keep the screwworms out of our lives. Okay. But this isn't. 38:51 the worm wall by itself isn't quite enough. You need the ground game. I mentioned that earlier. So there's actually a group of people in Panama that work for Copac that travel around that area in Panama, the isthmus of Panama, and they will traps. Well, what they do is they travel around by horse, boat and motorcycle, and they go from farm to farm. And depending on your risk area, 39:18 you're like risk rating. They come either every month, every four months or once a year and they swing in and they expect inspect your farm, inspect all your animals and if you have any animals with wounds, they had this like special paint that they paint on the wound and that paint will kill the screw arms and so okay. This is kind of like their extra layer defense to make sure like if the wall from the sky isn't working, we're gonna right. We're gonna do this if the firmament 39:48 isn't working that we're going to do this extra thing to dome the dome. Yeah, the iron dome, the yeah, if that's not working, then we will eradicate him this way. So at the end of the day, the USDA spends fifteen million dollars a year on this project. That's you and I, we pay for that. Yeah, we pay tax dollars with their what our tax dollars, our tax dollars dropping bombs basically of worms every single week. 40:16 somewhere in the ballpark of eight to fifteen million worms in panama every single week. Don't look at it like that. 40:29 you're going to give it back to to make the worms mate, so that way the worms can't kill our cows, but they estimate that today the saves the United States one point three billion dollars a year for sure. So the fifteen million is totally worth right 40:54 And it also makes that's the problem. Yeah, a lot of people who are like I want my tax dollars to go to this stuff. It's like you're not understanding what it would cost for us not to have this in place. Yeah, there's certain things where it's like yeah, the cost is it does it. Yeah, it's like oh yeah, fifteen million easy. I would pay that every day if it means I'm saving one point three billion and I say that as if I pay extra money for first class because I don't want to sit next to the poor. I'm saying the experience of sitting next to a poor person. Yeah, 41:24 is costs me more yeah than the money that you know saying yeah yeah it's it's kind of like a texas roadhouse. I pay extra for the loaded baked potato because I don't want the experience of eating a baked potato with nothing in it and I pay extra to not sit next to someone who goes to Texas 41:46 Do you know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean by that there is never mind, never mind, never mind. Are you poor? Stay away from me. Yeah, so that is the great, the great North American worm wall. It protects us from what's honestly kind of the nastiest worm I've ever heard of. 42:10 because this really this could burrow into you if stop don't if why are you fear mongering in here? This could get you this can get you. You know when your kid scrapes their knee, this could get them. This could get your kid, but we give the USDA fifteen million dollars a year in our tax revenues to make sure that that can't happen. So next time you see an I R S million dollars here next time you see an I R S employee, thank them for killing the screw worms. Thanks for killing those worms. 42:41 can you imagine? Thanks for killing the worms. Can you imagine getting audited? I hope that your house. I hope that this comes up in the next presidential debate. Hey, there's I don't really have a question. I just really want to say thank you for your service in killing the worms, killing the worms. Excuse me. I thought that's what the wall was. That's what you were doing the wall, right? The worm wall, 43:11 Yeah, so it's not a physical wall of worms. It's kind of like a metaphysical wall of worms, but it is physical at the same time. You know what I'm saying? Worms. I think it would be sweet if we did make a lot of worms, but that's not what we're doing. Because imagine. 43:28 When do they freeze them pretty quickly, so like they they they pubate. So what's actually kind of nasty is in this facility here. They kind of have their breeding ground and then the worms will what they they put the eggs and some meat, so they get like and stuff and they put them in there. They grow and then they pubate and throughout the facility they have to set the temperature at different temperatures. So like in that room it's a hundred and two degrees to simulate the temperature of a body that they've infected 43:57 and then just just meet sitting in a hundred and two yeah yeah. Apparently it smells really bad in there. Oh you don't say and then they go like and then they move them to a new room where then they radiate them and so it's like the radiation chamber. Imagine I mean to these flies. This is their alien encounter yeah. You know I put in some weird room with a bright light and the next thing I know I was falling asleep and then I woke up. I was falling in the sky 44:26 Yeah, that's exactly what happened. It is a crazy day for them for sure. I was trying to pubate. Do I just try to pubate next thing? I don't fall in from an airplane half frozen. I wish we saw an intro so we could have us saying just trying to pubate, you know, pubate, just throw it in the beginning. No context. So yeah, so that's the great American worm wall is they think the IRS next time you see him. Thanks for the kill in the worms. It's a very important thing, a little funny. 44:55 Thank you for killing the worms. You know, instead of thank you for being a friend. Yeah, that's a great, say it again. Thank you for killing the worms. Cool, good point to fiddle off, fiddle it off. 45:12 Hey, thanks for checking out that episode of Things I Learned Last Night. And speaking of governments versus wildlife, we have an episode about the Great Emu War. Again, one of my favorite episodes. The Australian government was trying to defeat an infestation of emus. Turns out emus are pretty smart and outsmarted military maneuvers. Pretty wild stuff. So if you can't wait for another episode, go watch some old ones. Or you can watch next week's episode right now by joining us on Patreon. 45:39 You get next week's episode right now ad free. That's audio and video, whichever way you want to watch that or consume that media, whatever that is. However, you also get access to our discord immediately, so you get to chat with us and hang out there. Thank you so much for supporting our show. It really does mean a lot to you that you are here for these episodes, so we'll see you next week on things are on a site.


There’s a quiet battle happening right now, and it’s about protecting our animals and lands. This fight is against a dangerous pest known as the screwworm. It’s not your everyday worm. These creatures can cause a lot of harm, especially to livestock. Thankfully, there’s a new way to fight back—using the Great Worm Wall! What Are Screw Worms? Screwworms are … Read More

What’s Hidden in the Grand Canyon’s Forbidden Cave? | G.E. Kincaid Ep 242

09-24-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 the Smithsonian absolutely covered up aliens and giants in the Grand Canyon. Yeah, there was a guy named G E Kincade. He in 1909 went down in the Grand Canyon, found a man made cave with evidence of the Egyptians, the Tibetans, Giants and probably aliens all down inside that cave. It's every aliens. It's always aliens. Okay, 00:20 this is things I learned last night. Every week we learn about an interesting topic and this week's episode is no different. We're going to learn about some stuff. It's going to be fun this weekend this weekend. I am in Houston, Texas. I would love to see you there next weekend. I don't know sometime October fourth in Barosville, Oklahoma, October eleventh and Tempe, Arizona, close to the Grand Canyon. Oh, not anywhere. Maybe you could go and then all the rest of October is the smoking hot life tour with Shamar, Marima, so 00:50 yeah. I'm going. I got all those on my on my website. You go to jaron Myers, dot com slash shows. Would love to see you there, whatever dude. Let's get to the episode 01:08 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of ge can kade? 01:17 say it slower G, E, can Cade. No, no idea who this is okay, so this is G, E, can Cade was a mouthful goodness G, E, can Cade. Yeah, here's a picture of him. Let's see if you can guess what he was by this picture. That's a military person. Okay, he's a he's a pilot. He's a pilot. 01:46 interesting to pass where hats like that. I don't it's such a grainy picture. Dude, you're showing me the driver's license photo from nineteen forty two. Yeah, it is an old picture. What does this guy do? I don't know. Is a clown 02:01 a sailor that's a good guess in like consideration. I don't know what he did before this. Honestly, I know I know what he did during this episode. Okay, he I think he was like an amateur archaeologist is probably a good thing to call him. Okay, did it as a hobby? You know is kin, Kade, the last name or is it kin, Kade, Kin, Kade is the last name, Kin, Kade, Kin, Kade, first name, G, 02:30 general electric, g g e can kade. He he was like an amateur archaeologist. Thank you and amateur archaeologist and he was very interested in the Grand Canyon and he was like he's like. I wonder what we got in the Grand Canyon. You know, have you ever thought that we ever thought what's down there and he was always pretty. I thought it is always pretty known what it beginning. I what was down there was down there 02:59 wouldn't you like to know? Oh my gosh, so in 1903, there was a president of the United States. Who was it? It was 03:19 James Buchanan close Theodore Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt went to the Grand Canyon in 1903 and he was like. This is a cool place yeah, which he's right. It is a cool place and he said we should make sure we've been yes we have yeah. He said we should make sure it was like he was like this should be a national park and the McDonald's here should be cheaper. He said he said we should make sure no one messes it up yeah, and so he was like let's make 03:48 part of it open to the public and let's ban the public from the rest of it. Let's make it to where it stays not bad and so he's going through the process of putting together this bill and ge can Kate hears about this and he says my archaeology. I got to make it bad before before I'm not allowed to anymore. He says he says I got to do. I got to go be bad in the national park at the national park. 04:15 I'm being bad in the great a national park. I'm trying to be bad at the great Canyon. Yeah, so he we have all national parks merch that you can buy on our store that is being bad at you, Simiti, being bad the great can for you to wear on your fame with trip. Oh, just being bad, 04:44 That's great. Can we do like just like the not good national parks? Oh sure, like the national parks that no one tries to go to. I don't I can't think of those yeah. I mean surely those so yeah, so is so cool. Yes, cool people go to so quite well. It's surely there's a park where it's like oh no, the national park, worst national parks, bottom five national parks. Yeah, here we go. Yeah, there we go. Okay, the worst national parks, so our city 05:12 here's here's good. This is kind of like you know what you did. This is honestly this list is list is kind of like like those remember those posters used to get at Christian bookstores. That was like here's a secular band and here's your Christian band to replace it with. That's this list. Oh really yeah, so what are the bad national parks? So this one is 05:42 in northeast Ohio. The picture for it is just a train. That sounds awesome. The three pros are the train, the bike path and there's, I guess waterfalls, so that's interesting. They don't seem to be listing cons, but they say instead of going here, you should go to the bad lands very different. Yeah, 06:10 apparently the arch the st. Louis arches, the national park and it's not it says gateway arch national park. So I mean that's the worst one. That is, I mean, I mean the gateway going up in it is a cool thing to do once, but looking at it from anywhere in St. Louis is just as good. That's also true. 06:39 it's also not. It's not you know it's not you guys know that st. Louis arch isn't natural right. You guys know God didn't make that. You know there's like a it's not like it's not real. People don't believe it, but it's like a legend like a wives tale in in st. Louis that the arch is like a weather machine and it prevents storms from hitting st. Louis. 07:06 because it happens fairly regularly where a big storms coming through St Louis and it like literally like wraps around downtown. The storm will break up and wrap around. So everyone says it's the arch is the people say that the arch like the shape of it. The wind hits it and gets curved out and doesn't understand how we oh yeah, he hits the we just got to make a giant croquet things and then we'll be good to go. Yeah, everyone's like I don't know. I live in St. Louis, the same people who think windmills cause cancer dude 07:36 Yeah, most of these honestly like yeah, so the I heard the worst one yeah easily. The worst one you can go be bad at the gateway. I haven't heard of any of these. That's pretty normal though be bad at the gateway arch pretty sick. Yeah, a lot of these are pretty normal, so the worst parks ranked gateway arts is actually number one, then Congaree, Cuyahoga, Indiana Dunes, Isle Royal, 08:02 hot springs, mammoth cave, Shenadona springs aren't bad wind cave, man, yeah, so those are those are the worst. According to them, they're best that you should replace these with our Yosemite, Akadia, Zion, Olympic, Rocky Mountain, Lassen, just the best one channel island, Sequoia. Oh yeah, don't like a way arch go to Yosemite. Yeah dude, I live in Missouri, yeah, duh. Oh yeah, sorry, I'll just go to Yosemite. The worst thing about this, so they have like a graphic. 08:32 and so they've got it's. It says the thing it's got a picture of it, the park and then it says the problems with it listed underneath the bullet points everybody packed. No, it's it's the worst. So gateway arch number one worst park. The three bad things are urban scenery, no wildlife, limited activities. Here's the thing. There is wildlife at gateway national park and it is straight cats. Oh wait yeah yeah lots of straight cats. Oh shoot 08:57 I'll tell you what's in Yosemite. What wildlife is out there yeah, none zil yeah. I expected to see way more wildlife yeah yeah. That's fair, that's fair. Where were they? Were the animals yeah away from where the people are. I want to be away from where the people are. That's the song okay realistic. 09:21 so can I have been her fish side singing the whole movie she's got the she's conflicted with her human on her shoulder and her fish side and her fish side. We got to get away from these people blub blub blub blub blub right. I mean that is what the movie is though. She's got flounder who's like a fish and I guess I guess it is she got Sebastian is like you should kiss that boy and crab really the crab is like. I want to watch you all 09:48 You should kiss that cop. Kiss the cop! 09:55 yeah. That's a weird movie. Now that you, if you think about it, if you really, really start to really, you start to make it weird in your head. You make it weird. Okay, anyway, so GK says okay. Hey look, Roosevelt, I'm gonna there's gonna start being rules. Yeah, Roosevelt's trying to take away the great Canyon from me, so I need to get there before he can do it sure, and so he he finds a an act 10:24 an archaeologist like a real archaeologist that goes by the name of mole hat, and because that's his last name. This is mohatt and he doesn't have any real pictures taken of him. Just this dry one that looks like a dollar yeah yeah he's he's he's got a beard that's very big beard, but it's not like it's a go t yeah it's a go t yeah is david crowder in two thousand eight yeah that's actually pretty accurate yeah well out the hair without the hair yeah. I was going to say the same thing 10:49 and he's wearing a we know christian is wearing a suit. You know we should be this is a christian podcast, so they they get a boat Celsius energy thinking about and they say let's go down the colorado river and let's go through the grand canyon and let's be bad. See if we can find some archaeology and so they do just that they're running through their rowing, their their boating 11:19 and then floating. They're on a float trip. They've got little floaties. They're cooler of beers. Yeah, yeah, course like because it's curse. I don't know if curse was around then she occurs. Yeah, that's how you say it. Um curse. Okay, can I have my curves? I'm hers so so they're riding. They're riding in the boat and they get about forty two miles down the river, middle of the canyon and they notice a rock formation that has stains on it about two thousand feet up 11:49 the riverbed. We're out. And so they parked their boats, they hike up the rock face and they get to this opening. there's stairs underneath the brush. 12:16 and there they look old. They're like stone stairs going up the at the Grand Canyon to this opening okay, and so they get to this opening and it's. They describe it as being like big enough for like a handful of people to walk side by side in this opening. It's like a it's a decent size like a atrium. If you will cave atrium entry way and they they walk in a lobby yeah lobby yeah no receptionist 12:45 mother was one, but she's dead. She died long time ago, or he could have could have yeah. We don't know when yeah that was that's on me. Well, we knew it was the nineteen hundreds. Well, we don't know. This is the nineteen hundreds when they found this spot, but they don't true yeah. So so they walk in the cave. They're exploring the cave yeah and based on their account, they end up going down this long main passageway and they're moving down the passageway and then there starts being rooms breaking off the passageway small 13:15 rooms, probably about as big as this room and there's a window and like a little kitchenette and like a table in the middle in a cushion. Now they're walking down the passageway and there's just these little rooms like little, a little carved out rooms carved out of the rock yeah and they figured they're probably about fourteen hundred feet below the surface and the canyons. So they're like right like smack in the middle of the canyon and as they're going through, they start to find like 13:45 artifacts in the rooms in the rims. Yes, there's like bowls and in little figurines and things like that, and what's interesting is these artifacts are like Egyptian, so they look like little Egyptian pharaohs and things like that and as they move in further, they start to find inscriptions on the wall on walls in the hallways and in the rooms of like a gypsy, how many rooms are we talking about? 14:15 you know? I don't know if we know how many rooms there are he's I think you keep saying like they're walking further and further into this hallway yeah yeah well. I mean I can't be that many. I don't know because because once they get a hundred feet in they get into a room that they call the cross hall and so it's like across the hallway in inside of it at the end like the head of the cross 14:45 hallway. There's a big statue of like an idol and they said it actually resembles buddha, but it's not buddha, but they said it resembles buddha and it's interesting that throughout they're saying this. We don't have pictures of this. Yeah, this is before our cell phone cameras or and the cameras you had to are the cameras that you got under you like, you know, the blankets, the camera blankets you put you stick your head under yeah, yeah, and so you put your head on and you take the they didn't have that and so they go through 15:15 And what's interesting about this end of this is the almost like the beginning was like a lot of Egyptian stuff. And now they're saying it's like Tibetan in this back half. And so, but it's not, it's not, I think it's important to say too, they were saying it resembles. So this resembled Tibetan stuff, this resembled Buddha, this resembled Egyptian stuff, but it wasn't like clearly Egyptian stuff. You know what I'm saying? 15:44 And so they go through, they find a crypt and there they find like actual like tombs and there was bodies in there. There was mummies in there. And then let's see, they found no bones of animals, but they have found like skins from animals, no actual clothing, but like skins and stuff like that. And so they theorize from walking around in there that there was a 16:12 multiple, multiple rooms of different varying sizes and through that they think that there was a possibility. They don't know for sure, but they think there was a possibility that this cave system could have housed upwards of fifty thousand people on the high end. This is a fairly large system of caves with rooms and common areas, spaces. I don't know. I don't think they gave us this point of okay, like how many rooms there were, but so fifty thousand people yeah, so it had to be 16:41 pretty huge. I think right. 16:49 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, a great way to help out is by becoming a patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 17:01 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 17:33 And so they go home and they put it. They reach out to a local paper in Arizona that picks it up called the Arizona Gazette and they publish this. This is in 1909. They publish this paper. I want to also highlight in the middle here, his headline Jordan is enthused. Who's Jordan? I don't know, but he's enthused about this and it's this article that outlines their experience that as largely just quotes from these two 18:03 about what they saw in okay here. So this becomes fairly large news in the area right and allegedly pretty quickly after this, the Smithsonian steps in and says no find any of that. Yeah, they're like you didn't see anything you actually what you saw is you were never born so 18:31 The Smithsonian comes in and is like, oh, that's not true. There's no cave and none of that stuff is real. It doesn't exist. And they like hush it. Allegedly, after this, pretty, pretty quickly after this, they do shut down this side of the canyon, you can't go, you can't visit this side of the Grand Canyon anymore. And as the story goes, the Smithsonian did go out there and they did start a dig out there, but no one's allowed there unless you're like actually a Smithsonian person. Yeah. 19:00 and I am not so near by the way to my blood Smithsonian heritage yeah okay good, and so what the story it's in the last name. Is that why why is it Smithsonian? What's the Smithsonian named after? What is the Smithsonian named after James Smithson? Actually great. I'm going to change my last name. Yeah, it was a British scientist who left his estate to the US 19:30 and they were like cool. We're going to call it Smithsonian. Was did he live in Washington DC? I don't think so. I don't know. Let's do an episode about Smithsonian. Yeah, if it's interesting, so we stopped you before though, so the smith we're halfway into this, so the story line is that the Smithsonian picked it up and say oh, we can't let people know that 19:57 maybe the Egyptians or the Tibetans were in the Grand Canyon with a civilization there at some point in history when right they didn't cross the ocean, and so that's the story line here. Sure. What's interesting is a couple things. One, there's a legend from the Hopi tribe. This is actually this. This legend is mirrored in a handful of native tribes, but the hope he has like a pie, the most concrete in relation to the Grand Canyon. 20:24 Okay, and so their legend basically says that like their creation myth is that humanity lived in the earth and they came up out of the earth and that's where we came from. And the story line is they came up out of the grand king and that was where we came from. And so we were like kind of like mole people and then we came to the earth and then we grew normal eyes. I just 20:49 Yeah, I mean I most have weird eyes right yep. They're blind right. Are they blind or moles blind our moles blind? I think moles are blind Alex. I know they're blind folded moles are not blind, but there is a blind mole. You're thinking of bats, but it's not blind okay 21:19 you know that's why they were just putting holes in your yard because they like I can't see dig for enough and they go oh air, maybe interesting. So yeah, so the the the hopi legend is that we rose up out of the Grand Canyon. We were the mole people living inside caves and then we came up out of the Grand Canyon at some point for some reason. They also think that we were lizards and then we were lizard people and then we transformed into human people. Yeah, yeah, 21:49 and that and then we learned how corn worked and so then we can horn yeah, yeah and then we came to earth to make corn. I mean we came to the top side to make core because you can't make corn in caves. I guess so cave corn cave corn so obviously some people have gotten very excited about this because it's like alternative history. You know and that gets people pumped all kinds of pumped up 22:17 and so they fused, if you will, Jordan is enthused. So this this became like a conspiracy theorist thing and there's a group of people that are trying to find this spot. They think that this was a cover up. Yeah, they think that the Smithsonian covered up the fact that Egypt was here first that Egypt, that the Nile River was never actually the Nile River. The Mississippi was the Nile and the Bass Pro pair shop was there before 22:47 stop. Okay, what do they actually believe that this is the Nile they're talking about? I think that why I don't you were just joking. I was joking. I was joking about the pair of I was talking about the pyramid, but I have heard people say that the Mississippi was the Nile and then they moved. That's the most American centric rereading of history 23:08 Oh no, that happened here. Yeah, we shipped was the Nile. I'll tell you what that sounds. You know they're talking about a river. I've seen one and I bet it was that one. I bet it was the only one I've seen yeah and then they moved to the denial and then they named it the Nile because they because just same thing we did when we are. I guess we should say they same thing the British did when they came to US and they were like. This is just New York 23:37 they didn't call it that it was okay, a new Amsterdam yeah and then someone was like Amsterdam's weird. That's too long, too many syllables, many words like now make it shorter. Can I sure say I love it? It's supposed to be anonymous, so narcotics anonymous yeah. Oh, I didn't. I've never you don't know because you're in you're in gambling. I mean 24:08 How do you think couples who met in a? How do you think that they like tell people there? They say we met in a bar. They go we met on Tinder. I actually can't tell you where we met. I'm not allowed to tell you that okay. That's what I'm saying for now. I can't tell you where we met. It's not it's not appropriate. Yeah, you can send an NDA and I can tell you just keep them on me. 24:37 pull it out my pocket, unfold it. It's like a folded up and it's big. It's like thirty pages. It's right unfold that cheese ban 24:48 So there's this group of people who've been looking for it. 24:55 I hate you so good. So this group of people that have been looking for this cave, trying to find King Kade's cave and there's a one specific couple who says that they've located it and what they claim is that they found it with a drone. They flew over it with a drone. They found the opening. They said it matches the location like the general area they were talking about, but what's interesting is they said when they flew the drone over there, it was like hit with an EMP. Yeah, 25:25 yeah and it crashed and they lost. They lost it. Oh yeah, we don't have picture proof of it. You got to trust my eyes and they so then they said that they went to go. How much of the rain can is closed like? Where is the public allowed to go versus where we tried to go that one time and we were driving in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, it's an it's an interesting thing. I think that here's the thing about the grand Canyon being closed. I think technically speaking like you could get anywhere in the Grand Canyon, okay, but like there's areas where it's like there's trails, you know, and like that's where they want you to go. 25:54 but like if you went off the beaten path, like theoretically, you could go anywhere. I don't think there's fence. It can't stop you. Yeah, but they won't save you. I think that's, I think that's the bigger thing is like I cause I cause I while watching this, I saw a lot of people talking about like, like they closed it off because what they claim is that it's dangerous and the guys, the video I watched it 26:16 this, he was saying he's like, well, we they let us do dangerous stuff all the time. They let us eat food with microplastics in it. They let us drive cars. They don't care about if it's dangerous. They're clearly hiding something, but I think what he's missing is it's not the fact that is dangerous for you. They don't care if you get hurt. What they care about is that they have to go help you if you get hurt. And so we can't put our people at risk trying to save your stupid butt because they know a lot of people will do it. We'll try it if yeah, if they can 26:45 Todd. You remember Todd just jumping across the Grand Canyon? Oh yeah, he jumped from rim to rim. That was really stupid. Didn't make it. He will be remembered as an idiot as a dumb dumb. Now we put up a sign for him, put up his picture. Yeah, it's a this guy was dumb, this guy dumb, this guy dumb. So I think that's why areas are closed off. It's not as not like oh 27:15 this is dangerous for you. This is dangerous for us. We don't. We can't go get you if you're over in this area, but so I don't know how much of it is like that, but I do know there's kind of I think I think what it more is is that here's the area we're okay with you going. We don't really want you going. It's not like it's like oh we're blacklisting you from this area, but what these people claim is this husband and wife. They went to go track down their crashed drone and while they were searching for it, there was 27:45 apache helicopter that flew over and was like watching them through the their hike and like flying below the rim, which is interesting that it be an apache attack helicopter. No, I mean I suppose if they got close enough it could like rocket them. I guess if you don't know what an Apache helicopter looks like, you would just assume that every helicopter is probably an attack helicopter. You'd be like that's a military. That's an apache helicopter 28:12 I was like it does make sense that the the rescue team would be like all right. Let's follow him, but yeah, let's keep an eye on him. We'll be ready for when they fall. I told you Derek, you know, join Derek. Yeah, I told you Derek just casually dropped at a we're at my birthday party that you didn't go to that he got helicopter rescued and yeah, I know and he just said and he was like he's a gas at that time. I got flight rescued and we were like hold on 28:41 say that again, tell me more yeah. He was climbing on a thing, jumped down the other side and then it was one of the things like a playground. No yeah, like a public park. No, they were in a national park. He had climbed up this rock on the other side. There was a drop and he dropped down, not realizing that there wasn't a way up on this side. So he dropped down and it's easy to drop down. You can't get back up. Oh yeah, so now he's on this edge of this rock. There's nowhere for him to go and so and he was like he's like so my friends called for help 29:09 and then like fifteen minutes later, they just hear like no way that's for us, but then someone comes down from the helicopter like a basket yeah like the strap yeah and he's just like he's like okay, I'm coming to you and they have to like swing back and forth. Oh my gosh comes over and he goes he grabbed under my butt and scoop me up. Geez, so that's hilarious. That's what I'm saying and how much did that cost them free? No, that's what I'm saying. That's what my question was 29:35 No, that's why I'm no way in the national park dude. That's insane to me because an ambulance is like ten grand. That's what I thought. I thought it would be like okay. They hit you with a bill now yeah. We saved you from the side of this mountain. Good luck. That's bonkers that they just do that for free is free free helicopter ride, but also he got picked up in the helicopter and then they just flew away. So all of his friends on the ground like what the heck no way. Oh, like they got him 30:05 where's he going going? They didn't like with a bullhorn be like me to sad mile marker and say anything they just left and you're like. I guess we'll go find that helicopter. Bye don't go down that side of the mountain. We'll come and get the rest of you. It is freaking, but I would imagine that like you know they if this story is true, which is not, but if it were 30:30 yeah, they were like oh, we're looking for our drone. You know it's like all right. These helicopters like okay, let's follow them because they're going to die. Interesting, interesting, okay, yeah, so that's what these people claim similar, similar event except for it was an Apache helicopter and they wanted to kill them for being too close to their cave. They're cool, shoot missile. I mean, that's a thing in the Grand Canyon. I mean that probably would echo across the whole thing. People will probably hear that yeah. How far? How far did echoes go? 31:01 not further than the initial sound. 31:05 the initial sound would be louder than the echo right. I mean I guess well how far Alex? What do you think you're a sound person? 31:21 That's what I'm saying. That's fair. Because if you go, 31:28 interesting. It said oh, I think I misunderstood what this abbreviation was probably yeah that that makes sense. So no, don't tell us okay. All right, it's so yeah, it does kind of depend on how loud it is, how far it's going to travel, but because the velocity of sound and dry air is three hundred forty one meters a second, then 31:57 it'll reflect off something that's three hundred forty one meters away within a second or within two seconds, because it's got to travel that both times. So like I guess it it does depend how loud it is and how dry the air is to grand cane is pretty dry anyways. So they claim that they were looking for this thing and the Apache helicopter sure scared them out of it right now. Like out of it, that's why I don't have their drone footage. Yes, yeah, so the Apache helicopter scared them away and so 32:25 It's easy to come up with stuff when you're lying. Yeah, so the whole mythology of this is is that there was deep within the Grand Canyon, a civilization that existed. This is for years ago. I think this is a I. This is a I yeah probably okay. I mean yeah, this one isn't. I don't think this is real Grand Canyon. I was like a I to be so the myth is that there was a group of people that lived inside the Grand Canyon and then 32:54 something happened that forced them out of the grand canyon, so they said let's go to half of them said let's go to Egypt. Half of them said let's go to Tibet and then oh that's the theory yeah and then they built their stuff and then that's where they're all their culture kind of morphed slightly into what we know across the sea yeah of what we know of is Egypt and and Tibet and some of them though did go become hopi and hope the native tribe. 33:22 because that's where the myth came from, after they turned from lizard people to humans. 33:30 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 33:58 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 34:30 this is and I think that's that's like a smaller version of this. A bigger version of this is that this was the Egypt was a massive globe spanning civilization and this was one of their cities was in the Grand Canyon and or there was a calamity and then they built like this was like a bunker that they built to survive the calamity deep within the Grand Canyon sure and the Smithsonian obviously doesn't want us to do that because it doesn't work with their storyline. The problem is 34:59 we don't have any record of any of this. None of like I mean, I guess we have the eyewitness account and then but we don't have any pictures. The Smithsonian's flat out said no, that's not real. No one else has ever made it there and then a pretty important thing about the Arizona Gazette is it's a tabloid. None of the stories that ran in the Arizona Gazette were true stories. They were all just lies. Oh, and so there's all these people who believe this 35:28 as if this was like reality and this was like a history that's being covered up, but it's just not. It comes from a source that's not true. Sure, we're not even sure G E Kincaid was ever a real person. We know this Mulholland guy is, but the Smithsonian's come out to just be like no, this isn't true and what's interesting about this and I think this is this is an important thing to talk about. I think two things here that one one thing 35:56 And I said this recently on like a TikTok and I got some hate from it and from people in real life who... 36:07 okay. I was like I saw your tick talk like what I didn't like it and then like it. No, I just come up and they go they come and they go not interested. I don't like what you said in that video. Don't say that. Don't say that thing out loud again. You can say that was your video. Why I was talking about source criticism. I think oh sure sure sure sure sure sure sure especially nowadays. There's too many people 36:37 who will hear stuff and believe it or read stuff and believe it, because here's the thing here's. I was actually so I haven't thought of this. I saw a thing. It was a good graphic that it was talking about like a lot of the debates in our culture or like medical society or like you know debates that have made it out of the education stream into like the mainstream and like we're debating about things that we have no right to debate about. You know vaccine safety, those kind of things 37:05 is that the way the media's role has played in this is it would be like ninety nine scientists say this yes, but one scientist says the opposite and then when you have someone who says the opposite and then someone who says what the ninety nine say on air together, it makes it seem yes like the like the opinion is 50 yeah, but it's not it's ninety nine to one yes, yes and that's 37:30 The problem is that it's so much of our media stuff is in trying to be fair and balanced has created a gross imbalance. Yes, yes, it comes to important information, historical facts, medical information, those kind of things. Yeah, that is that's interesting. I've never heard that before. That's a really interesting perspective, yeah, because it does. It does. Like if you hear when you hear somebody say something, you go, that's just not true and you go well, some people think it is and you go some people are dumb. 37:59 Yeah, yeah, but you know, like you said, if you have two people arguing the point and I mean, I'm sure in that situation they're both like I'm married and then someone goes. I don't think you're married and you're like what do you talk? Yeah, I'm married and they go well. I mean it is a contested topic. It's people say though I have a wife. She's at home like some people 38:22 don't believe that yeah, you just have to respect that yeah. You have to be okay with the fact that some people don't go. That's true. What are you reading about? Well, I think I think that scenario, what it does, because if you bring a scientist in and they're the one scientist that exists that disagrees like they're probably well spoken and they can argue their point well, and so it makes it seem like that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's that's not just someone being like. I don't know yeah. It's someone been like it's the Terence Howard thing on a hundred program where he's like. I don't know man talking to it. 38:50 he's talking to a person who's dedicated his life to math yeah yeah and is like actually you and I are on equal playing fields and you're not you're not not not not even close yeah, but so that's an interesting point. What I think one of the tick I made was about was we see stuff like this article and if you read this article by itself and you look at it and you realize it's from a newspaper in 1909, that's right. You know about it, you read it and you 39:18 you're tempted to trust it. I think this happens a lot with Russian propaganda, a role that but what I was going to say is the CIA's website. They have the their foyo page where you can search stuff on foya and they have all these documents on there just because something's in there doesn't mean it's true like it and the CIA is not even claiming the stuff in there is true. They're just documents a 39:48 the vast majority of what's in that actually is from Ben Laden's computer and we just took all the files from his computer and so a lot of them are crazy things that been lot and believed right and we didn't go like they didn't go annotate and be like by the way, this is kind of crazy. They just put it in there and then it got foyad and now people are finding that stuff and thinking that it because it's on the CIA's FOIA reports that the CIA is like this stuff's real right and I think 40:16 people need to do, especially these people on the internet need to do a better job of just check the source a little bit. Well, be you seen. I said rush Russian propaganda. Have you seen what's actually happening where they will create websites? That's like with the Los Angeles Times, but they'll create like the Los Angeles Tribune. Yes, and they'll make a full website that looks like a real very safer. Yeah. When you start clicking links and going into back pages, it just it's like lorem ipsum. It's just it's just nothing actually makes sense, but they'll 40:45 post a story that's just slightly different from the truth or like war or whatever, but yeah, we'll share this stuff because they didn't go to the rest of the website to actually look at the source. Yes, but they go yeah. It's the L. A. Tribune. Yeah, we don't have that. We don't have a l a tribune. Yeah, yeah, bro, but it but you yeah. People are easily fooled by that stuff right, because it looks believable and it's the same thing with the article. This article looks believable. It makes you think oh yeah that 41:12 this actually happen. This is true. We've been doing this podcast for years. We haven't ever recorded in the same room. None of this is real yeah, and that's what I'm saying is that people need to for sure right yeah the well and yeah, no go ahead. Yeah 41:31 that's problem number one. I think we need to do a better job of criticizing the source and being like oh yeah, because we do this. The whole point of this is we read Wikipedia and we don't know what we're talking about and and and yeah podcasts. If you're not podcast probably should be like I don't. I should double check. I don't think this is the stand you should take. I don't think you should take that spot to be honest, because part of you know part of the way that we get away with 41:53 some information being incorrect as we go. It's a podcast, it's a podcast right, but then you can't be like podcasters should step up to the responsibility they have the that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. I what I'm saying is if you hear a podcaster say it, you shouldn't just believe it. Oh, that's what I'm saying. That's true and that that's a whole point of our show is like every podcaster does that and we are doing that too. It's a joke anyways. The other thing is this. The idea here is hyper diffusion. Have you heard of this? 42:23 Yeah. where cultures fuse together and they diffuse into a handful of other cultures. and see these points where cultures were, and then into a handful of cultures 42:50 were interspersed with each other. They were trading or they were in the same area. You could see their culture overlap and they start to like buy things from each other or adopt things from each other's cultures. That's a normal thing that actually happened. But then there's this like thing in pseudoscience right now of hyperdiffusion where we all came from one giant culture that was like this globe spanning society. You hear it be like the Atlanteans or whatever, like before the before the flood. 43:18 or before the ice age or whatever. We were this big globe span with a culture hyper advanced society and then there was some sort of event that broke this apart and it's problematic for a lot of reasons, but a couple of the big things I didn't realize this until recently while I was researching for this. We know that that's not true, not just because of our logic, a lot of evidence because of DNA, because we can follow the DNA line for all of us. 43:48 and you can trace it back and it doesn't go back to a single source. If if there was one, that's if you believe in DNA, you know, so actually 43:57 that's pretty contested. There are there are scientists who believe that that's yeah there's there's some side to that's not true. You see how dumb it gets so fast. Oh my gosh, our brains are applesauce dude, but yeah like if you look at the United States like you can see oh our DNA since all the US back to Adam and Eve, there's like a melting pot situation where you did it overlaps a lot of is born of Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ. Some scientists believe in ham taught me 44:26 But yeah, if you look at the US, you look at people who are born in the US and you follow their DNA, you can see that it does actually span the globe because there's such a melting pot in the US. But if you go back further in history, that doesn't happen. It's localized. People's DNA was not mixing. And so we know for a fact that there wasn't a globe spanning thing because the DNA would be mixed if you go back to the DNA record. And then we also have no archaeological evidence that that ever happened. And so those two things together we know is not true. 44:56 more problematic about it is this idea is literally literally came from Nazi Germany. They believed there was a super race and they're like we got to get back to the super race and then they did very bad things because of that and this like what holocaust literal holocaust and that was that was what I was saying to him. There's some people who are like it's contest. Oh my that's I see you're still there are people who 45:26 Yeah, who try to act like that's not, yeah. That's crazy. And what's concerning is over the last few years, I feel like the pseudoscience community has been gaining ground, if you will, and this hyperdiffusion thing is becoming something that a lot of people are interested in. And it is an interesting idea. It's interesting to think, oh, maybe there was Atlantis and it got crushed and, you know, like that is an interesting story. 45:53 we don't have evidence for that. We don't have evidence for that and it leads to problematic ideas. We know that that happened in Nazi Germany. We actually know what happened in a couple other cultures and it led to people doing awful things to people and you can see in these pseudo science communities, similar ideas starting to pop up with them thinking that they are descendants of this yes, quote unquote master race and it's dangerous right and so all of that to say 46:24 hyper diffusion is a dangerous idea. We have evidence that that didn't happen and we have evidence that this specific Grand Canyon thing. It was just a lie. It was an end a tabloid to sell papers and people were enthused. Jordan was enthused and yeah and then there's people in the pseudoscience and conspiracy can community that didn't do the same work to just check this source and see if it was legit before starting to peddle it yeah and it's dangerous. That's my soap box and that's that's 46:54 G, he can Kade whether he was real or not, whether D can Kade was real or not. I don't know, but what I do know is that the story that he found something in the Grand Canyon is most likely false. I saw that image with the stuff. This is a believable picture. If you look at it, tell the difference between that and reality. It does seem believable. That's the thing that's kind of frustrating to me, though, like 47:19 have you been to what's that called? Oh, that's going to bother a canyon. No, it's been together. No, it's it's in Cortez outside of Cortez, Colorado near the four corners. It's it's the their cave dwellings Mesa Verde, Mesa Verde. It's really cool. The it's a thing that looks similar to that, but it's like up the canyon yeah and they built a well yeah. It's really cool. 47:48 and it's like why can't we just be happy with how cool that is? Why do we have to come up with some fake story? Well, because they go like well, we have evidence of this, this so this is possible. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think that what's sad is what's sad is there's storylines that are real that are really cool that are worth being excited about, but there's like I don't know there's this want to be like. I know something that they're hiding from us and that okay, so I was going to say that's the draw is that 48:17 often conspiracy theorists are isolated lonely people from their families and having special info or you know, have like seeing behind the curtain, getting like you know, they don't have the wool pulled over their eyes, whatever it is, they believe that makes them that gives them something to feel special about is a is a real source of why some people fall into conspiracy theories. Same thing of like you know, 48:44 certain political groups or something that in that promises a involvement in something bigger than yourself. Yeah, as many of these people are not involved in their family, which would typically be the thing that is bigger than yourself. Yeah, and so because it's your weird uncle who's who's distant from your family is not part of the thing that's bigger than himself, so he has to look for other things, which then often leads to being a part of weird fringe conspiracies or that's also where weird 49:13 little side groups come from yeah. You know people who are furries or what do they call adult people who love little pony bronies bronies? You know just like you know yeah people who get and they on it pickle ball. You know people who get really to find far into yeah hobbies or their those things yeah. You know just some of them are way more dangerous than others. Yes, that's true. Do you think that there's a level of like 49:40 being in like weird fringe podcast that's like. Oh, I just watch these two friends who I don't even think are real friends and they might not even be in the same room and apparently it's not real and actually one of them hates the other one, but they'll never actually say that out loud because then it ruins the last ten years of investment they've made into this relationship and that's like well. I mean one of what we also are going to talk to 50:03 but anyway, is that bit over? Is that all there is? I support my patreon. I give him. I give him money each month and I'm in this discord and that's why you know who needs real life friends. I've got this yeah. You forget weirdos yeah yeah, so you want to join our discord, go off still in that comm slash paid to support that till it not com, I don't that com slash support. I don't know something like that. 50:32 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you like it, you should check out Project Looking Glass. It's an episode we did a little while ago about another crazy, hard to believe conspiracy. It's pretty big and it's pretty wild and it's pretty nuts. And so we kind of talked about the whole story, broke it down. It's a fun episode. You should check it out. And if you want to see next week's episode, you can watch it right now on Patreon. Our Patreon supporters make this show possible. We appreciate them all so much. But we also give them a lot of great perks for the support, like seeing every episode a week early ad free. You get access to our Discord with our hosts and producers. We hang out every month on a video call on Discord. 51:02 to play games together. It's a blast. But if you don't want to do that, that's totally fine. You can subscribe right here on YouTube or whatever app that you're listening on. You can leave a comment, a review, like hit the bell icon, all those things that the YouTube is telling you to do because it really does help a lot. That's a great way you can help our show share it with a friend if you like it. But if nothing else, we'll see you next week on things I learned last night.


Have you ever wondered what secrets the Grand Canyon might hold? Beyond its breathtaking views and enormous cliffs are stories of hidden caves, ancient civilizations, and even mysterious cover-ups. One such tale is about G.E. Kincaid, an amateur archaeologist who claimed to have made an extraordinary discovery in 1909. Who Was G.E. Kincaid? G.E. Kincaid was fascinated by the Grand … Read More

The Most Dangerous Movie Ever Made | Roar Ep 241

09-17-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 What do you think the most dangerous movie ever made was Moana clothes animated live actually yeah? I go just say it's hard to animate something. It's scary. No, it was a movie called Roar. It's a movie where the cast and crew spent eleven years with live untrained lions, tigers, jaguars, elephants. I think there was even a giraffe or two in there. 00:26 dude, my life with three untrained cats is dangerous enough. Yeah, it's sketchy. This episode is is while I hate. This is things I learned last night. Every week we learn about something interesting and we joke around. It's a good time. We like it a lot. It this is September seventeenth seventeen. You're seeing this September twenty seventh. I am in Houston, Texas, so God 00:54 is Houston, God's, you God's Houston, God's country yeah in Texas. Okay, so Joel, if you see this come on out to the show and then on October fourth, I am in Bartlesville, Oklahoma, God's Oklahoma and then October eleventh. I'm in Tempe, Arizona, Satan's 01:21 tickets for all that stuff on our website. I would love to see you there. It's going to be a wild time. 01:30 Hey man. It was exciting. He's so blow flowing. I love to message William Hung. 01:43 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of roar roar roar romance on a rocket ship? Nope, popular musician in two thousand nine. Nope, not that one. What was romance on our ship songs? You know him because every girl you had a crush on loved romance on a rocket ship. I've never heard of them. Yeah, you have play their stuff. Let's get demonetized. I recognize him, but I don't think I've ever skin in balance is the first song that came up. Play it 02:18 never heard it in my life. You've heard that you listen to that I don't music. You listen that is not the music I listen to that scene kid music. I made fun of seeing kids. I listened to metal core. I punched scene kids and I've seen kids, but you had crush on scene girls. That's actually very accurate and that's what every metal core kid was. Every metal core kid made fun of seeing kids and had crushes on. Yeah. Well, you were trying to make fun of the scene kids so that the scene girls wouldn't think they were cool anymore. Yeah, that's pretty fair. Yeah, that's pretty fair. 02:47 it's pretty wild that even at the lower tiers of being bullied, you guys still bullied each other because real bullies both of you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's fair. Even the lower tiers you guys were like you guys are like just everybody, everybody has an economy fighting on a fly. Everybody has to put themselves in a pecking order wherever you can get and you guys are you guys are boarding group see just still duking it out. 03:13 boarding group sea of life yeah, but I got the emergency row, so I've got more later. If you're in bruce, you're not getting an emergency. I'm telling you that now, so no roar is a movie from nineteen eighty one. Okay, here's the movie poster for it, a ferocious comedy yeah, so this poster it says roar and big red letters and there's a old fashioned car and then some tigers and some lions and some giraffes 03:41 and a dude on a motorcycle. It looks like it looks like tards is not a dude on a motorcycle yeah up there. It is up there by the rar, so a little bit of backstory on this movie. It was produced by a couple by the name names of no well, Marshall and tippy hedron. No well was a big time movie agent, so his agents. He was an agent for a lot of movie stars. He did get into producing. He's produced and co produced a couple movies, but wasn't like a big producer yet like he was just kind of getting 04:11 the tiptoeing around being a producer, tippy on the other hand, his wife, tippy was a pretty big time movie star. She was in to give you some of her, her bigger. Well, I should say she was in like eighty three movies. Oh, she was in a couple, alfred hitchcock movies. She was in the birds. She won a golden globe 04:39 she won a lifetime achievement award from Genesis and if you go through her Wikipedia, she has a long section of awards and achievements. Okay, so she's I mean a very noteworthy actress in Hollywood is the point I'm trying to make here. She was filming a movie in Africa and on one of the off days her and her husband were like let's go be tourists in Africa. So they went and they did safari. They do the safari 05:08 And while on the safari, they're kind of doing that thing, you know, that couples do sometimes with a dream and hope. 05:19 And they go, we should, we should own all of these animals. We should start a safari while they're on this safari and they're like, they're like, Hey, wouldn't it be fun to do a movie where there was, I don't know, a scientist who had a bunch of lions and he was living with the lions and he wanted to, to see what life could be like, like if we could find unity between the lions and humanity. And that was the dream that they had. And so the two of them, they go back to Los Angeles where they lived. 05:47 I don't know if I showed you a picture of them yet. This is them okay. This is her solo when she was early in her acting career right, but this is late set or early seventies at this point or maybe late sixties at this point, late sixties. They say okay, let's let's pursue this like, but let's give it some time because they were like well, this is going to be a tiff a difficult thing to film logistically right and so like we need to get 06:15 I think most people would say most people would say let's find some people who are professionals when it comes to lions and let's bring in some trainers and have a couple lines on set to film this and have trainers who like have trained lions, so like maybe circus lines or something like that, and they said no, let's get lions when they're infants. What's the race? What's the word cubs? Are they pups? Are you? Are you dumb right now? Are you dumb? Are you doing a bit? Are they cubs or lion cubs? 06:45 What is it? What is it lion? What's? What's the word? Are you joking right now? I mean, I probably know it. I just haven't. I just don't remember it. They're called kids. I do. They really call them kids. No, they don't. Yes, they do. No, they don't 07:01 Baby lion name. 07:05 it's a cub idiot. God, I hate you kid. See anyways, so they get they get a couple lion cubs. They move them into their home in Los Angeles. You suggested pups. I just want to know how stupid you are. They get a couple lion cubs. I here's the I said cubs first, but then that didn't feel right. Their cats cubs is what you call bears and sounds like no other cats. 07:33 Shut up, don't gaslight me like this. Ha ha ha. 07:39 gosh, I hate you called coming there. Oh look at its come mama bear mama, a bear, a bear, gummy bear, mama bear and bibethis mama bear, papa bear, gummy bear, so no, so they get a couple lion cubs as infants where they got them. I don't know as cubs as they're like. Let's raise them that 08:03 is I'm going to tell you that's my wife's logic. She's like no, she she literally was like can we get a raccoon? I said no, we can't get a raccoon. Yeah, absolutely. We can not get a rep with three cats. A baby when you get it, that's exactly what she said it loves, but you'll raise it and it'll be and I was like that thing will tear your eyes out. She also wants birds. Well, do you see that tick tock? Is that what that is? I'm sure my wife wants, so there's I told you about this a maca. Yeah, I think so. Okay, sounds from your maca is yeah. It's a parrot. 08:31 Yeah, the the what you think of when you think of a pair of red, blue, green, you know, white, white and black face, yeah, do you know how long they live? Have we talked about this? I think we have like seventy years, seven. I didn't know that that's insane. Why is it the same life? So we have a family member. One of my family is trying to rehome their their thirty year old maca because they are going more years on that thing. That's what I'm saying. They're getting too old and going to 09:00 probably go to a home yeah and they can't take their maca yeah, but they got thirty years ago yeah, so Reagan was like oh we should we should get that bird and I said we should absolutely not get that sounds bird. That sounds like a nightmare. I birds as old as I am yeah yeah she's like yeah. What will we name it? 09:17 I said you'd probably leave its name because it knows like if I got adopted by two new people who were like where your parents were going to change your name. No, you're not. I'm a grown man. You can't change my name. His name has been Tiki for thirty years. You can't change that change it. Yeah. I said also with three cats. She was still the birds bigger than the cast. I said that's why I can't come in this apartment, so that's but that's my wife's logic. My wife is like we could get baby cubs. Yeah, I bet she saw. I bet she saw the that tick talk with the 09:47 it is the mom who it really sad story. Her child passed away right afterwards. She met a raccoon. She was like yeah, she met a raccoon there. She met. She met a raccoon. She thinks it's her kid. 09:59 or the she's a mental break. She's been raising this raccoon as her own child. What what happened was there was a little school. She put shoes on it and she was like got shoes, the raccoon, let him go to school. It's a little baby raccoon is coming up to her kitchen window. Let me do this here. She was a raccoon. She was feeding feeding the raccoon fruit loops as a little baby raccoon. The raccoon came back with friends 10:26 and then the raccoon like moved into her backyard and she would feed it and it became like part of their family and lived the rest of it. I what in their backyard, they let them in claims that her grandparents had had pet raccoons. Yeah, not sure how much I believe that, but yeah, I mean they probably just had raccoons. They probably just had a cat that look at a raccoon. They probably just had a raccoon problem. That's like what you're saying is pets. 10:50 there. They would call it an in there was pasts yeah. They said past, but they had a list. They had a reverse list, so I couldn't pronounce as it's pet. It's our pet. They can't pronounce as is okay. 11:09 pest, pet, pet, pet, pet, pet, that it's our pet that a hard let in it hard to learn at sound out evolved into problematic areas so fast, so they get these cubs and they're like okay, get these come and they're like. Can we raise 11:36 can we raid them? We do that the whole episode that sucks dude, Tim Locker so mad right now. So they give me the client. We do professional work. We're professionals, yeah we are and our client has apparently started listening to podcast. I wish he would yeah. We keep telling the stop showing up to our trust. I feel like you guys are really dumb. We're like you for just just pay your invoice. We're like as we can do that sound 12:06 Shushing someone when you can't make out sounds is so hard. 12:17 DOOPIN 12:21 so roar so I hate it, so they get these blind cubs. At this point, they have a couple children. They're in this the suburbs of La sure and they're raising their children with these cubs and oh I've heard of these people yeah, and so they have a couple. They've seen a couple more the lions like just full on lions in their house yeah, so 12:49 it ends up getting to the point where they've got five full grown lions in their home. Someone probably a neighbor or something they never told anybody. You know they didn't tell their landlord landlords. You guys paying pet rent for those all right. Do you guys to well, they're not renters. Wait a minute there. She's a movie star. They're not renters. They've got like a nice home in like the hill. Oh, you got to be rich to have an own a home anyway. Yeah, I was saying was we should do a show TV show. All right, let's pitch this okay. 13:16 where we just go to hotels that have a pet policy yeah and we register that we have two cats and we just try to bring a live tiger. I tell her yeah, that's a great idea. I know wonderful. I think that's really funny yeah and then we don't put the do not disturb on and we put a tip on the on the bed and the tigers there right next to the tip. Now you're playing a game with housekeeping yeah, but there's a took that to an elite level 13:46 that was so different than what I was saying. What are you saying? I'm just seeing if we can get the tiger in the room to get away with a pet policy. You're saying let's subject someone who works minimum wage cleaning hotel rooms to a challenge for their tip. That's what you're saying you elite yeah, make good TV of crap. So they have these 14:12 they've got these five lines in their house and the Hollywood Hills. Someone goes hey, you can't have those yeah the water. A is their son's fifteen their son's fifteen at the time and he he starts pointing out some inaccuracies because they've been talking about this like this is going to be a movie. It's going to take place in Africa. There's going to be a scientist and he's going to have be living with the lions and he's like he's like I think we've got some issues here. I don't think that there's things that are scientifically accurate because they've got a couple lines, but they also have like a mountain line. They've got a tiger 14:38 and he's like, he's like, there's no tigers in Africa or mountain lines. Like this is an American mountain lion and they were like, don't worry about it. Like, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. 14:53 sells to the seven days right yeah. This is early seventies at this point. 15:00 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 15:27 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I think we might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 15:44 So yeah, one of their neighbors tips off animal control and is like ham pretty sure they have live lions in their house in the Hollywood. It was like in their house. Who cares and so animal control comes. They knock on the door, they see the lions and they give them a twenty four hour remove the giant African apex predators from your house. Notice in the window, sunbathing was asked to go that that's a lion. That's a line. Yeah. So animal control literally is like you have twenty four hours to give the big cats out of your yes. Yeah 16:13 and they're like they're like you have twenty four hours to get the lions out of your house and he's like and they're like time a sovereign citizen. I know my rights according to article four and eight of the American Constitution, so they were like they're like okay. What are we going to do and this is? I think this is actually where do they live in L. A. Do you know? I don't know the Hollywood Hills. That's all I know. Okay, they 16:41 the here's the thing. Here's the thing about the what happened here. Okay, they were this is, I think, a testament to the times because they got a twenty four hour notice. They said you have twenty four hours to get rid of cat, these big cats and they were able to pull it off by buying property outside L. A and so they bought it is now well. Hold on. Let me see if I can figure out exactly 17:11 what the Santa Clarita? Oh, so they bought it. They bought it a little way else a little outside of town, the mountains yeah and and really outside Santa Clarita to it's like property like in like they've got an acreage out there, but they were able to pull that off in twenty four hours and get the lines out of there. They're also rich yeah, but I just think that's a sign of the times is like oh yeah in the seventy's you could go by property in twenty four hours yeah and I don't just yeah and then go drop your lines off there and then now they've got 17:41 acres in the car yeah. They've got a cabin and they've got acres of land outside of Santa Clarita and now they're like well, wait a second. Can we up the Annie a little bit like? Can we get some more and so they started going to like zoos and circuses and just places that have hey. Can we have your lions yeah pretty much and so they were just at the zoo. Yes, like we'll take them 18:09 this is like what we'd like your lions. Yeah, we like the lines that you guys have yeah. Hold on. Can you hold on? I don't think I understand. I don't think I understand what you're asking right now. I'd like to take your lions yeah and I'd like you to go in there and get your tip. Excuse me. What that's them being that's them looking down on a on a okay. I see what you're saying. I've left a hundred dollars for you in the center of the lion cage, so 18:39 over the course of the seventy over the course of the seventies from that moment until nineteen seventy nine. Now that they've got some property, they just started accumulating more big cats until nineteen seventy nine when they decided okay now we're ready to begin producing our movie. They got to the point where they now have you ready for this 18:58 I'm going to start on the I'm they got some other, some other animals too. So I'm going to start on one end of it. They had a Maribu stork, seven flamingos, two peacocks, four cranes, four Canadian geese, six black swans, two elephants, four leopards, two jaguars, ten cougars, nine black panthers, 19:28 a Tygon, which is a lion tiger put together that they like cross breeded twenty six tigers and seventy one lions just on their property rubbing around. They got they got cages and stuff. No, it's like an open that a free range lions and tigers and elephants. They've free range. Ah, okay, yeah, it's a they used to have three elephants. 19:58 So they start trying to cast this movie right. He's he's a bit of a producer. Oh no, no, no, we've built our own wild safari and we'd like to. This is what they're putting out at a rudimentary level. Yeah, our backyard is full of wild animals. Yes, no cages. Yes, why don't you come film here? So the concept that they put out is here's the here's the plot. Here's the basic plot line of what the movie is going to be. There's a scientist in Africa and he has been living in Africa on at this cabin with 20:26 all these lions and he's been training the lions and he's trying to develop like a theory where lining the lions. I should maybe say studying the lions that he's he's I mean I guess he is training them because he has this theory that lions and humans can live training your dogs together. I gosh that I'm every time I come to your house. I bring little treats and I train your dogs. He said this to me on the phone the other week and honestly is a pretty funny bit in Spanish and so that way 20:56 one day when I'm at your house, I can just I guess like Famanos and then your dog will come to me because your dogs don't pay attention to your all. I don't know if you know this. Your dogs are not very well behaved. They don't respect your commands at all. My goal is to convince you that I'm just their alpha and like they just respond to my commands. Yeah, yeah, that's honestly a hilarious bit to do to somebody to you 21:22 do it to somebody else. I was going to wait till I make your wife mad yeah. It hangs. It happens every time we hang out and yeah and then right at the peak of her just being like. What are you talking? I was going to be like I'm leaving by one of your dog to go to just jumps up and runs out the building with you. It's pretty good bit truck. It's a funny bit. I were annoyed by it. I am annoyed by it. 21:48 anyways, you're annoyed because you can't train your dogs. No, I'm annoyed because you think I can't train my dogs. I've been to your house. They just they're happy dogs. They're happy dogs up. Oh my gosh, so you have twenty four hours, so the the basic plot small one, the basic plot is vicious. Yeah, that's a shit. Sue thing. I'll never forget the way that Oakley treated my wife right. Yeah, 22:15 just disrespect. We that that was we trade that train. You train your dog when you open your back door muddy paws to run straight to your cream colored couch just so we're clear. Yeah, yeah, just jump over in your couch and then you guys were like you guys. You let me stay the night there one time and you're like you can just sleep on the couch. Oh can I covered in mud? This is disgusting. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I don't have to defend myself to you 22:43 so you should the scientist lived in Africa yeah, and I he was in Africa free year. He was with these these lines and I guess you could say training him. He's studying if he could create a relationship between humans and lions sure halfway through his stay in Africa. His family has to come out for some reason. This is the plot of the movie yeah, and so his family has to come out and then they have to then they're in Africa and with all these lines and then there's a twist and the lions all of a sudden. 23:13 have a problem with his family and they have to like survive with the lions and but build as a comedy. It sounds ferocious. It sounds like a horror honestly, but it's not. It's a comedy, so they they do a casting call and they get a lot of like because they have connections. She's a major, a major actress with a lot of connections in in Hollywood, and so they get a lot of 23:42 interest from people and like their agents are talking to them and they're like oh, this is this has potential and then they ask. They start asking like logistics and then everybody starts finding out. Oh, these are just like you just have a bunch of line like there's not like. Do you have a crew that go? These trains, safety, precaution, like what is this and they so people start dropping. I'd be more afraid of the geese than I am in the lions. They got for for Canadian geese just wandering around and so yeah, that's heard. Yeah, they're mean they're rude. 24:10 and so they were targeting Jack Nicholson for the scientist. Perfect. He immediately was like absolutely not. I'm not going to do that. I'm busy and so they're going down from their a list of people. They go through the blis, they go through the C list. No one's no one's fighting on it and in fact a lot of the crew that they wanted to hire is like. I don't want to be involved in that yeah and so I don't want to catch someone getting eaten live on camera so in 24:38 after about a year of working on it, they began filming and what they said is well, I guess we'll just do it. So no well spent ten years accumulating his animals and now no one wants to do this idea. Yes, so no well decides he'll be the scientist. Okay, never acted a day in his life right. He's an agent and a producer. He's pretty. How hard can it be? Yeah, he's like I can do it yeah and then tippy. Obviously she's an actress 25:07 So she's got a lot of experience. She'll be the wife and then their kids will be the kids. And then they found some random people who were like desperate for work to be all the extra side characters found put together this rag tag group of a crew and they started shooting. The goal was six months on set and then they were going to compile that footage and put it into a movie. Here's the thing. These 25:37 are not trained lions right there, real lions and shooting they had. It was kind of like a what's the word i'm looking for? It was kind of improv like they had a concept but oh yeah script everything and they're like let's just see what happens and so just set the cameras and they filmed it and it went as well as you think it went right. They expected this to be like a two million dollar venture 26:06 and they expected to take six months, but because of complications, maybe that's a good word to use. It's stretched. What kind of complications? So everybody was getting attacked by lions, the crew, the actors and actresses. It was the family. No yeah, the family. Oh over the course of 26:33 six years of filming. It ended up stretching to six years to film this yeah, because people kept getting hurt and they had to pause how her a while pretty significantly seventy two injuries occurred while filming this movie. There was situations where people got trampled tippy. She had she got gang green because she was stepped on by the elephant and it 27:03 crushed her leg. She got an infection. She got grand gang green and so then she was out for months recovering from that stepped on by an elephant. She has that down by the elephant yeah. They all got bit and scratched and cut by big cats throughout the course of the movie. Multiple times people have a doing hundreds of stitches with the cats. Do you know this is interesting? I do know I actually watched the movie. It's on YouTube for free. Just search roar. Nineteen eighty one it's 27:34 bad. Well, I should say the cinematography is pretty good. There's some shots that feel it's obviously nineteen eighty one, so it's like yeah like you know that era of like it feels like an old western. The way it's shot like where it's I don't know. I don't know it's a little backward. It's a little slow. No it does. What I will say is the setting does. It does feel a little believable that this is Africa, except for the animals are wrong because they have 28:02 lions and mountain or tigers and mountain lions and stuff. And so that that's kind of pulls you out of it for a bit. But like the setting itself, like the hills and like the open spaces do feel kind of like a savanna. Okay, so it does. It does. It is believable and they've got a ton of land that they're filming this on. Right. And so there's not really any structures around. It's their log cabin in the middle of it. There's like a river that runs through it. And the movie is interesting because, like I said, like there's these really 28:31 kind of beautiful shots of like sure them driving through the property and there's all these lions and animals and stuff all over the place and like kind of, I don't know, just really nice looking shots, but then that's just opposed next to like actual dialogue and the dialogue's awful with the exception of was the dialogue like hey, where are the big cats kind of like stuff like that, but it's also a lot of I should say and I would say probably eighty percent of them film is them. 28:59 getting attacked by lions and that's not exaggeration. What they did is they would just go kind of honestly egg these animals on get attacked, film it and put it in the movie. That was so much of the movie was them just getting attacked by lines. Here's a scene of no well getting attacked by a lion and this is a genuine lion attack like this is not blood on his hand. This is not yeah. That's his own blood. It's not a special effect. This isn't 29:28 made to be different. This is another one of this was his assistant getting actually attacked by a lion yeah and then here we have. I think that's his daughter and then tippy's trying to pull the lion off of her. This is this is his daughter jumping in the pool. This is not what I thought it was. It's genuine lion attacks and people multiple people ended up with like 29:57 seventy plus stitches a house. Anybody lose limbs, nobody lost a limb, but a lot of people one one crew member. I think I've seen this picture though, like they've got like yeah, because this is at their house, though this is not the this is before they moved right. No, I think this is on the property because they do have the pull on the property here. Here's a with the elephant. This is animal abuse, though yeah property 30:26 yeah, this is on their property. That's wild. Here's another shot. This is them laying in bed with a bunch of tigers and then that's there's raise kind of the apex moment of the movie. They're the family comes out. They visit. There's a really awkward scene where like they fly in. They fly into Africa. They land in the airport. They have to get on this bus and they bought this really sketchy looking bus 30:54 to make it believable. They're riding in this bus. There's all these extras in the shot and the kids and the mom are on the bus and they're talking about how they haven't seen dad for a year and some other mom says is like she's like she's like well why hasn't why haven't we said seen dad for a year? How do you think he's doing and stuff like that? And she's like well she said you know we were having trouble sometimes like you need to take a break distance makes the heart grow fonder you know and then 31:23 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tilen topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 31:49 I like 32:15 It's just like this really awkward scene. And then the daughter, I don't know if I can say this stuff on our show, we have a G rated show. She asks some questions you don't ask your mom. In front of all her siblings in a public bus and it's like very uncomfortable. It's a very uncomfortable moment. And these are the kind of dial, like those are their comedy moments are just like a little raunchy and weird. 32:38 like but it's not it never lands like there was never a single moment in this movie where you're like where I laughed like I was like that was supposed to be funny. There's a lot. I was like that was supposed to make me last way a lot of people watch this podcast. They go. Oh, I was just I was supposed to be comfortable, but they're like crowning moment in the movie is there's there's a science group that comes out to meet with him. They freak out. They're like oh you just you're just living with a bunch of lions. They get there and there's a bunch of lions fighting and he has to go break up a lion fight, so he just 33:07 runs into a group of like seven lines fighting each other and then they start fighting him and he gets like rag dolled because he just runs in and inserts himself into a genuine real life lion fight. The no well yeah producers to the scientist yeah he literally runs into it. They throw him in the pond like they literally like he runs in and one of them just swipes him and he like rag dolls into the pond and those other scientists are there. They see that and 33:36 they are like we need to shoot these lions. They're going to kill one of you guys yeah, it's like you can't do that and so they those scientists guys see a couple things they freak out. They leave and in as a result of all that the lions get really riled up and they start trying to kill everybody and so then the back half of the movie is them just running around the house, running away from the lions and that was the story line. Yes, yeah, 34:02 okay. This isn't real life that there was like there. The well, it is real life. Yeah, it is real. I kill them. I are trying to kill them, but the story line was all that was that was happening, but their lives were just trying to kill him because they were trying to live in my point. The real life story is more interesting than yes, whatever movie you're trying to do. Yeah, I think that's definitely true, but yeah, and so it like culminates in this moment where they're in the house with all these 34:29 and just running around the house trying to get away from like 45 lions inside the house. And it's like, you're not going to get away from them. It's, it's unreal. I mean, like people got seriously injured on this set. There was a moment where the entire crew walked out after filming and he had to replace the whole crew because the crew is like, this is insane. We can't be a part of this anymore. And then he had to replace the entire crew. 34:57 because it was it was insane and people were constantly getting hurt. He said after the fact he was like he's like it's honestly a miracle that we got away with this like it and it worked out and it's like it didn't work out didn't work out. Nobody died. This film sucks. Nobody died. It's really what he was saying. It's like it's a miracle. Nobody died is what he's trying to say, but a lot of people got seriously hurt like seriously, seriously injured because this was an insane idea. At one point they realized hey the lions really don't like the motorcycle 35:27 and so the motorcycle great. The motorcycle became a big thing in the movie about half of the movie. The motorcycle became this recurring thing where they just drove the motorcycle around and all the big cats would get fired up and start chasing him around on the motorcycle and he would ride around the property while they chased him. I can't overstate how much of this movie is just him getting a just him getting attacked or or the or the lions attacking each other and or somebody else and him. He has names for all of them. 35:56 and he's running around calling them by name and trying to stop it and so he but it's like in the movie yeah it's in the movie and but he's like but the way he's doing it is weird. He's like he's like taber taber no taber and how you guys act with your dog quincy no quincy stop so you're like that's not doing anything that's exactly what it is yeah, but the lions oakly it works on oakly 36:25 it. Oh, you guys shame your dogs quince. It doesn't work. I'm going to use the worst. It works on Oakley though or yeah to yeah. He's just he's just running out yelling to her. Now I should try I do to Reagan, so I'm I go Reagan and that's why she that why so she shames you in public. Yeah, yes, sir, Mr Sir. 36:51 Yeah, yes, that and then people think I'm sorry Sir. Yeah, she does that as a little bit and people think that I'm like a psycho, so 37:09 Okay, so after six years of production in nineteen eighty one, they released this movie. The majority of the movie is just people actually getting attacked. Yeah, it got interrupted over and over again from people getting it on run. People walking out on it. What's interesting there was I think it was seventy nine ish. I don't know somewhere around there. There was a big flood in the valley and the flood broke the gates and a bunch of the lions got out nine of the lions got out and the police actually shot three of them. 37:38 because there was just lions running around town. Yeah, I don't know how they what happened with the other ones, but by the end of production, three percent not a great record there police, but over the course of production. I said it was a six year production cycle. They started out with seventy lions and then a handful of other big cats. By the end of production, they had a hundred and fifty big cats on set. How these gap getting them yeah and there was over there were seventy two attacks that they recorded the vast majority of those required 38:08 ten plus stitches. Many of they there was pretty gruesome, a lot of really gruesome injuries. I don't think anybody lost limbs, but there's a lot of really gruesome injuries. Every attack in the movie is a real attack. All the blood in the movies, real blood, it is insane. They put this movie out in eighty one and it didn't do well. They spent seventeen million dollars on it. Their budget was two million and they spent seventeen million 38:37 halfway through production, the all the investors backed out. They had they had a lot of problems with insurance through the whole process. They had to keep changing stuff to keep insurance happy, how they were able to pull that off and sure clearly hadn't had to have no idea what was going on. Yeah, this kept switching insurance company or they were committing insurance fraud. Yeah, it could have been both. I am willing to bet that some people died. Yeah, and they just didn't disclose it close. They cover it up. Yeah, that's honestly possible. 39:07 that's very possible because yeah, it's hard to believe that somebody didn't that somebody didn't because yeah, they they pretty much the their plan for every day of shooting was let's go make these lions mad and see what happens and capture it on film. Like it's hard to believe that and people did regularly get hurt. So it hits the theaters and it grosses two million dollars and so 39:37 massive loss. They end up having to sell all of their properties to make up for the loss of what they had. They convert this property into a the Shambala preserve, and so now it's an animal sanctuary. They sold it to someone who's now running it, and I think part of the sale was you got a lot of lions and tigers and stuff now, and so like the only really thing you can do is start an animal. 40:03 preserve. Yeah, there's nothing else you can do there. Yeah, like this is your option like you can try to re home on, but I don't know how you're going to do that. Put it on craigslist lions for sale one hundred and one hundred fifty lions, one hundred fifty acres, fifty five, five tigers, fifty five panthers, so not a great result. The here's what's interesting about it. 40:33 mm in two thousand and fourteen. I think it was okay. They they put it on YouTube. It grosses eighteen billion dollars. Well, what they did is they put it on you. They didn't put on YouTube. They re released it. They did a re release and made it like like a B like a B horror movie kind of thing. I kind of one of those things and trying to make a cult classic out of it yeah yeah and it kind of worked. They didn't make very much money. I don't know how much they made on this re release. That's not like a figure we have 41:03 but what's strange is when you look at the ratings on IMDB, this isn't a great rating by any means, but it's better than I would have given it after having seen the movie. It's got a six point one out of ten stars rotten tomatoes, though this is interesting. They gave it a seventy two percent. Is that audience score? No, that's the that's the critic score as the critic score. The audience score is fifty one percent. The critics gave it seventy two percent and I think. I think they probably for the stunts 41:33 I think yeah. I think what gave it a good score is genuinely like there are some shots that are like really good and the score is decent, so I think like it's like nerdy critic stuff that got it a high score because the the dialogue is rough. The script is rough yeah and the majority of the movie. The movie's hard to watch. It's very dull like you're just watching people get chased around by lions for an hour and a half and it's like I'm so tired of this. 42:00 I watched that on tick tock though. I watched compilations of people getting hurt by big cats. I actually looked that up big cat compilation. Yep, yep. I tried to find it on pure flicks, but I can't find it's not on pure flicks. Yeah, so much blood. Yeah, yeah. What I mean, I don't even yeah, no one on so pure flicks. This is one that you need to watch. I don't know. I don't know if I'm allowed to watch it until I watch read the pure flicks review, so so that's hard for me. 42:29 since you guys haven't covered it, but that's crazy. Yeah, the movie ended up being a pretty tough thing for them to swallow. So year afterwards, no Ellen tippy got divorced, probably as a result of the I don't know her and her kids got attacked by lions over and over again because of him yeah, and then times losing everything by an elephant for your spouse. You know yeah, yeah, it's true and I mean you got a figure to like like they did literally lose everything yeah pursuing this project yeah. 42:59 and they got hurt a lot physically for it and it did kind of like. I mean, where are those kids now it's late in her career, but it did kind of hurt her like her career kind of was over after this for sure, which is pretty sad. Her kids, they went on to live pretty normal lives. Probably the most noteworthy thing about them is their daughter is the mother, so I guess their granddaughter was in fifty shades of gray. That's really the 43:27 the only noteworthy thing that comes out of the line. She's a main girl yeah, and so that's her lineage. The main actress is yeah. I don't know either okay, so that but like the rest of them just went on to live kind of normal lives and have this story that they tell at parties. I they're like. I used to live with a hundred and fifty tigers. Oh the sun though, when he was in when he was in high school when they had the baby tiger, he used to take it to restaurants and that's how he would pick up girls. 43:54 as they would be like oh my gosh, can I pet your line your tiger and he's like ah he's like it's not really smart to do that out in public yeah. You got to fight back to my house, yep, he would be like if I can get your phone number, you can come over to my house and you can meet my I got a couple lines there too. You can meet I have a couple and it worked out really well for seventy nine. To be exact, I have a few lions, lions yeah yeah careful. They'll bite you and I have a macaque that is eighty nine years old. 44:24 but yeah, that's the movie roar. The they build it as they're like tagline was roar. No animals were harmed in the making of this movie, but a bunch of people were a hundred percent. That's exactly how they advertise it all off. 44:47 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things I Learned Last Night. If you liked that, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. And speaking of people who raised animals as their own, there's an episode about Andy Goose, a man who found a goose with no feet and then gave it shoes and became a viral sensation and, you know, did speeches and talks and all about this goose. And then we dive into the mystery of that goose's demise. So it's actually a... 45:14 really wonderful, one of my favorite episodes. So you can absolutely go check that out. If you can't wait another week for a new episode, you can join us on Patreon, where you get next week's episode right now ad free, and you can get that on audio or video. We'd love to see you over there. You can join our Discord. We get to hang out and get to know each other a little bit more. And you can join monthly calls, where we're just on a video call and we just chat. That's it. It's awesome. So thank you for being here. Thanks for supporting our show. We'll see you next week on Things I Learned Last Night.


Have you ever heard of a movie that was so dangerous it put its cast and crew at risk? There’s a movie just like that, and it’s called Roar. Let’s dive into what makes Roar the most dangerous movie ever made. What Is “Roar”? Roar is not your typical movie. It wasn’t made with trained animal actors. Instead, the filmmakers … Read More

This Game Show Left Him Naked for a Year | Nasubi Ep 240

09-10-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, how long do you think you'd survive if you were cut off from the outside world alone by yourself indoors, outdoors, indoors, oh four days. What if you were naked three days today? We talk about a Japanese game show that reluctantly locked a man inside of an apartment for almost a full year with no clothes, no food and no sanity. 00:29 Yeah and he was stuck there until he won a million yen. That was the terms the game show. That's how he won and how much is really how did he win it like a sweepstakes yeah. They were mail and sweepstakes. He had to do mail and sweepstakes. He had to win a million yen, which is eight thousand US dollars. Well, we don't have eight thousand dollars and we can't stop doing this podcast until we do. So this is things I learned last night. We learn about it, something interesting every week. This is this week's topic. Let's jump into the episode. 00:59 how's it going man? You having a good day? Okay, what have you start the have you ever heard of nasubi nasubi nasubi? No, what about what about to moa to Tamaki Hamatsu? Nope. What about den pasonin? Why are we doing this? Why are we going to start the episode with you confidently saying things incorrectly 01:29 confidently saying things correctly, okay, subjectively sure. Nisubi is okay, so Nisubi is the Japanese word for eggplant. Okay, that's it end of episode, end of content, Nisubi, no Nisubi is the Japanese word for eggplant. It is this guy's name nickname to Moka Himatsu. He was nicknamed Nisubi in grade school and he stuck with it for a long time. Okay, 01:58 you guess why his nickname is a plant. I'll tell you it's because his head's really long like an eggplant as the kids, the kids in a school like your head looks like it's huge. They were like your head looks eggplant and so you're like you are a large chin. It is yeah and it and like yeah his head is longer. It's thirty centimeters, which I don't know what's a normal head length. Why do we know the measurement of this person's? It's on his Wikipedia page. It's one of those like side facts like where it's like they got their picture when they were born there. 02:26 head and then has the head as like size of his head have anything to do with the episode. Well, it has something to do with his name being nasubi. He goes by nasubi okay, because his head is long sure, but he was a kid. He was born in nineteen a or nineteen seventy five sure nineteen seventy five and he had a he was born in Fukushima, Japan, and he had a childhood where he was bullied. He got bullied as a kid for having a abnormally long head. 02:56 and I bet I don't know when his head developed, but just for sake of argument, I better develop before everything else. So yeah, the thirty centimeter head is born a normal size by that kid size body. Why are you saying so these centimeters? That's what the Wikipedia says convert that thirty centimeters all right, thirty centimeters to feet. It's point nine eight feet, so it's almost a foot. It's almost a foot. 03:24 I mean that's a big head. How big is yours? How big how big is average head? So take that number, cut off a couple numbers, because this is a small conference. This is circumference. How long how long is average head average head length is eighteen centimeters? Oh, so he is almost above average ninety ninth percentile. Okay, so he got to measure our faces now, like 03:53 the yeah. Yeah. Is there a, is there a measuring tape in there? There might be in that top drawer or in the or in the middle drawer, maybe the bottom drawer. There's a chance if it's not that joy, there's a chance is the other drawer and it's not that one. Try the other one. You see one really 04:12 Would you have those two Google pixels? You get those Google pixels and we can look up the Google pixels and measure with the. No, nothing. No dice. You think you could have done that a little louder? 04:34 Thank you all right cool. Sorry if you're listening they're not. We started going off a table, the size of heads and they they clicked that little fast forward thirty, you know, a little thirty in little circle and they're like get to the point. Stop being dumb. We hate this show, but we still want you to get the ad revenue, so we're going to skip ahead. 05:01 What if you only listen to the ads that would help us a lot? I'm a big fan of that. Yeah, you just go oh better. Oh good, it's the okay, so compassion international. You can look their stuff up at I own that kid dot com. It doesn't exist anymore. So I speaking a big heads, okay, time for another sponsored post 05:30 from our sponsors, odd job hats, not just for big ones, but for long ones. I job hats has gotten so much free for us. We're trying to get him to pay for what he's like. Why he's like I don't have to be actually doing it. He gave me free hats and he said stop talking about your talk and I was like it's right. I can't do it. He would have a multi million dollar company that wasn't for us for how much we say they were better help. 06:00 yeah. All right, so goodbye fresh, so he was bullied going up and he learned as a kid. You want to kill your business, advertise, he learned driving into the grass. He learned that as a kid he was getting bullied a lot and so if you're a kid and you're getting bullied, you got a couple options. You option one he was walking around as a kid looking like jalapeno on a stick right 06:29 yeah, got a real bad, a little tiny body, egg plant on a stick, a subi on a stick, but you what I'm talking about. I go, no yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a pop culture reference. It's not it's a pop golf, retchard reference from fourteen years ago. Doesn't ten yeah yeah, so it's dude jeff done. I'm still sells out arenas yeah, but it's pretty wild who's raise your hand. If you're going to wherever you're at right now, raise your head. If you've been to a jeff tudum show in the last both hands, I guess so 06:58 the sui so hard to drive back from church camp is like jeff done him take the we take the we okay, so take it from my hands. He can you know yeah. I get what you're saying play this with me for a second. All right, you're you're a kid who's getting bullied right right. What are your options option number one? What's your options? Let's I think you probably have 07:26 three three options. Yeah one you can just suck it up, take it. Oh, it wasn't an option. I was thinking hold on. I'll tell you so maybe four options. Okay, one you can just stuff those feelings deep inside yeah. Just suck it up and take it okay to you can say something back. You can try to be yeah and try to be yeah three 07:44 is you can say something back and then they say something more hurtful and then you say something a little slightly more hurtful. You get in trouble. You do the principal's office and then you sit in the principal's office and explain why you said the hurtful thing that you did. The principal's like actually you went way further than they did and now you're the bully in the situation. The gas light you end up thinking that you're the real problem. You grow up, you go to college, you drop out of college, you start a comedy career and then later you have a podcast where you're talking about what you could do. If you're bullied, if you were a bully, then you end up in a 08:14 later. You didn't realize at the time, but we're pretty bullying you and then you have and then you've set yourself up in a lot of friendships where you have the power and then you bully those around you because you don't know how to relate to people and so you use humor as a way of being like our close and friends and stuff, but really all of your friends. 08:33 lay in bed at night and they go. I don't think he actually likes me and then your cousin goes. Hey, you guys should learn about the love languages. I think that I think that you should learn lower. It doesn't seem that you like your wife that much, but it's like no. I do. I love her a lot. That's why I make fun of her so much. That's how I show love and compassion because I'm actually in my warped twisted mind switched to yeah where now I roast you. That's me telling you I like you because that's how I convince myself. They actually like me all along. I mean that it's they like the kid all the kid all yeah. It's the sixth love language words of yeah defamation. 09:02 um words of okay. Anyway, those are the three are pretty close to what I was going to go with. I was going to say the first option. I guess you picked another one. You could bottle it up. You could become a rat and you you go tattle on them. Yeah. You could tell you could be a rat. You could stick up for yourself and beat the tar out of them like the so are you could stick up. You could have someone else stick up for you. 09:30 and that's the role you could play when you see someone getting bullied. You can step in all right, and if you want me to come speak to your high school about this, just go to comedy on campus dot com, hire a comedian. Your students will love. Here's the thing. I disagree. I scrolled tick talk and I just see people 09:48 who school, who should have been bullied, bullying is not so you're at the first website and you didn't keep watching sometimes we got to bring this stuff back. We got to bully it out of if if someone you know says something that is not okay, bully that out of them, bully them until 10:05 they're not confident enough to have their bad opinions. That's what we need to do right. No, I agree yeah. Yeah, I agree. I or they're just weird. Yeah, if you're like odd, I don't like weird things that they like or if they look strange. If their head kind of looks like an eggplant, that's what I love about Instagram reels comment sections is that that they don't play. They're not going to get away with it. Tick tock is like we'll deliver this to people who like it yeah, like there's going to be some people who won't like it, but 10:32 you know Instagram is like we're only going to deliver this to people who do not like this. Yeah, I love my favorite social media trend lately is when people comment hate from wherever they're from. That is I every single time I like cry laughing from Australia from Canada. That is so funny to me. I respect it. So hey, tell us you hate us from wherever you're from in the comments. It really helps me gauge whether that's an important opinion or not, because if you're like hate from Indiana, yeah, that 11:01 the Indiana you freaking got me dude. Yeah, we got we got some hate for hating on Iowa lately or recently, so we need to hate on some more states. Cool pick another one. 11:14 bottom five are 11:18 That's how we did that yeah, so so so yeah and then the other option, the fourth option yeah. So you you you can embrace it, defend yourself, turn it around yeah and become like a class clown rare and so in the soup. That's what in a subi does he's like. I am nasubi. I am eggplant. I am eggplant, nasubi good to claim eggplant, not great. That's a that's a language barrier thing there, but honestly 11:47 Egg plant also kind of it's a good name. I am a there's a kid in my school named biscuit. Yeah, I am egg plant. Okay, so Nassou be embraced it and became kind of a class clown or became like a like a slapstick comic like body comedy kind of person where like he just would do like crazy facial expressions and like it tried to extend his face and like open his mouth real wide. So thirty centimeters returned to I don't know what a normal mouth span is thirty six centimeters. How big is it six 12:15 six years. Yeah, how big is the average in now? 12:27 Most people. 12:36 Carlton Fresh Prince mouth. 12:47 average route is one point four to two point two inches open. You were like six. I like jeez dude. Oh, it should be in the typical person. It's about the width of their three of their fingers. It's true. Quick you win. I got test this out jeez dude. I read it online. It's gotta be true. You just 13:16 shove your fingers in your mouth. They're clean to not the straight one. Okay, so that's your crooked gross to I don't have crooked do you one one crick. There it is. You touched it. You knew exact which one I was talking about because you went while you just touched it. I mean all these you just touched it okay. 13:40 all right. We need to we get into this. That's your name. Now we've got a lot to talk about today and this we talk about just as subies don't let me do bits. Okay, let me let me tell you the story. You have to stop me okay. Stop the subi got into comedy wanted to be a comedian. She's like he's like this is this makes me feel that's what I'm telling you. He's anybody who's been bold. People laugh and then I feel like they don't hate me yes and so then he started he's trying to break into that scene right. These that plagues us all 14:11 and then in the ninety something interesting happens. Jeff Foxworthy discovers I think you got something kid. He brings them on the what was this that tour with all or color yeah yeah. He didn't really fit the Nassou so Nassou is doing I shouldn't say he moves to Tokyo okay and his parents say hey like if you want to pursue this entertainment thing, go for it. 14:40 do your give your best shot, but they really wanted him to get into like a tech career or something like that right like very traditional parents sure and so they were like hey but honestly if you want to pursue this pursue this like we'll support you just don't take off your clothes interesting random thing just tell your kid and so he's like 15:02 I yeah it's comedy. I shouldn't have to like now. I wasn't going to but how do you say that that would be pretty funny. It'd be kind of funny if I did it though. This set be funnier if I was shirtless 15:18 and that's how we got that yeah. Oh interesting, so yeah his parents actually were like. We do whatever you want. Just don't wear clothes, no wear clothes. Oh no, but I'm talking about Bert, Bert's parents were like do and he was like it was like you can't tell me what to do yeah taking my shirt off. So he is in Tokyo kind of auditioning for stuff, not really getting any opportunities sure, and then there was a open casting call 15:48 for a TV show. for this casting call for this game show. It was put together by a guy named Toshia Tsuchiya. This guy. 16:17 throughout the 90s. And so 20 people show up for this open casting call. 20 people showed up for the casting call? Didn't really give any information of what it was. 16:43 almost auditions or questions or whatever. They was what they expected. They got there and it was just a raffle. And so all of them put their names in a hat and then they drew their hat. And Nassou was drawn in the raffle. This is him in ninety eight getting drawn for this raffle. Very excited. I guess my thing is that I don't think his head is that big. You know, I guess that's fine. I mean, he might have grown into it. I think as a kid, it might have been bigger. And I will say in certain 17:12 there's certain angles and facial expressions he gets in where you can see it more sure this one. It looks relatively normal, but it is still ha yeah, so he gets drawn for this and immediately they pull him aside and they pull them. They take them to a separate room in this facility yeah and they walk them in this room and it's a small room honestly, probably about the size of the room we're in now. If you're watching this picture, the space you can see and double it pretty much is how big this room is 17:41 like a ten by ten room. There's a fish tank in the corner yeah and this hallway over here that leads to a slide that goes yeah deep downstairs very deep. It's probably six floors and city underground. Yeah he's caves yeah we got the two bits and then this so there's a window on the wall. This is not our studio. That's his where he is no windows. There's the there's a window on the wall bonkers how they get away with that because I don't think this classifies as a room. 18:10 yeah, it's illegal pretty sure they can't call this a room yeah. They can call it. They have to call this an enclosure. I'm going to my go to your enclosure. If any come up to the enclosure 18:33 That's a joke about your wife, so there's a little there's a room and then off the side of the room. There's like a small little kitchen. It's like a tiny fridge, tiny, like they put them in here. They go. You live here and a little sink, a tiny little kitchen and then there's a little there's a little bathroom, a small little bathroom off that room to and then there's the window on this side and then up against the wall. There is like you know when you go and 19:01 I should there's a man change to the wall and then they throw him in there and then he looks down and there's a chain around his ankle. It's like to get out you to cut one of your legs off. Congratulations, you won the ref and there's a dead guy on the floor. You seen the original song yeah yeah yeah there's a dead guy on the floor on the wall and this is something that maybe not everyone listening can picture, but there's like an old school magazine rack like you would have it like a gas station back in the day. 19:30 And so it's just magazines for days. I would guess, and here's a guess number, like a decent sized magazine rack, right? and that's it. And so that producer you saw, Toshio, 20:00 And he basically is like, after filming's done. is you're going to have to earn a million yen in this room. And the only way you're going to do that And he said, and also. 20:31 Do you have a question? 20:37 Okay, so the concept of the show is we've got all these magazines with all sweepstakes in them yeah and we're going to make someone fill them out for us and then in hopes that we win one of these sweepstakes well. Well, they're so it. I should be clear. This is not like a million sweepstakes for a million yen. It's the they didn't have those they had. It was million sweepstakes. It's like mail in and get. I don't know a glue cooler 21:06 and so he had to win male and sweepstakes for the total value of a million yen is what he had to earn, and so it's going to be small prizes that had to add up to a million dollars, a million yen, which was at the time equivalent to eight thousand US dollars today, like twenty thousand US dollars. Oh, it's pretty doable. Okay, here's the catch. He also the catch isn't. I have to submit magazine sweepstakes. The catch is the only thing they provided him with was water 21:36 he had to meet all of his other needs 21:44 and so so first thing you got to do is go look for all the food sweepstakes so you can get food. Well, then he said oh there's one more twist and he said there's a see if you don't complete it, we kill your whole thing. Oh, that's kind of a big twist. He says strip and he's like you have to earn your clothes to 22:10 and I'm mailing sweepstakes. He goes, but my parents. Yeah, I made a promise to my parents. I made a promise to my mom and dad. 22:19 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 22:31 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patrons supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 23:03 and so he after some back and forth obliges and he ends up stripping in this little room. He's like naked naked yeah he's naked, but naked that's his cushion. He picked up the cushion on the floor to cover up and he those are envelopes for him to fill out the mail and so sticks and mail him out. He's got a phone for emergencies. He has a radio for radio sweepstakes. He can enter radio sweepstakes as well. Can he call in and be on the eighth color? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure they told him the phone was only for emergencies. 23:33 So I'm pretty sure it was only Mailin's radio. we're going to release this later this year. in the room and then the producer just leaves, with nothing but a bunch of magazines. 24:01 This is not going to work. There's no way this is going to release unbeknownst to him. It was already releasing. It was on a TV show called Denpa Shonen. And to give you some perspective, this is Denpa Shonen. It was a like like a late night TV show in the 90s in Japan, but it was very. 24:26 I mean, think Japanese game show. Very, very like, comicky. And this was a segment in Den Pashonen. for a year, and in his brain, he's like, 24:56 weekend. He's on live tv naked naked on live tv and it's a segment. I got ten eagle. It's like a I don't know if it's Japan and in the nineties. I don't know and so he it's like a ten minute segment where they're just they kind of crunch the whole week into that ten minute segment at the end of the end of the we did this week yeah pretty much here's him cooking naked. Here's him filling out envelopes 25:25 Naked. Well, what they would do is they had producers that were honestly very similar to them. He won two socks. They were very similar to like the Big Brother producers where they would like find like relatively exciting moments and they would play it up. Like they would add in sound effects and like graphics on the screen and like do goofy stuff to make it more interesting and exciting. Okay. But it's a single person in a room by himself. Right. Again, naked. 25:54 and so obviously they blurred it and he was working sits down and just kind of gets to work on male suit. So he opens it up, starts flipping through these things and filling out cards. First day he does a couple dozen mails him off second day. How long does it take to get the stuff? I mean that's a thing you got to figure he's mailing it and then the mailman's got to come pick it up and then they got a 26:22 strip it out to the place, he has to get selected, to show up, at least, right? And so he's sitting there, the room's exactly what it was The producers were like, well, we can't kill them. Yeah, so they started slipping them crackers to keep them. 26:51 from dying. What am I the ducks at Disneyland or would open it crackers would come flying in sliding on the door he's. 27:02 which first of all the ducks at Disneyland. Do you think they landed there and they were like? Oh my God, this place is incredible because they just get to live in his old ponds and they'll come up and eat out of your hand speaking to Disneyland. You hear about this controversy with that they're in right now. Well, the case killed that person yeah yeah yeah. Did you hear about the lawsuit? I don't know anything and if anybody at Disney tries to say that I know something I don't 27:30 I am at the last. I'm loyal to you Walt. Okay, all right. Did you hear about the lawsuit though? I did okay. I'm afraid of Disney dude. All right, why because of this stuff? If you ever heard of it, if you haven't heard a woman who they're there. Her husband is alleging that her death was caused because they explicitly over and over and said 27:56 she has an allergy. She's an allergy. She has an allergy and she was reassured over and over and over again that the food she was given was was not did not contain her allergen yeah, but then it did and she died because of that yeah and so which is crazy because they're really good about that's where I was thinking like that is pretty wild. That's where immediately like made that there is a part where it's like okay. I mean mistakes happen, so like I do think it's a pretty big mistake. That's huge. That is huge. So the husband sues Disney obviously and is like hey, you know 28:27 their lawyer, one of their lawyers, whoever did this thought that they hit a home run. They were like oh, we got him yeah because the husband had downloaded the Disney plus app on his xbox yeah for the free trial that lasted seven days and then didn't even log into it yeah and then deleted it yeah from the xbox yeah, but when he signed up for it, he agreed to the terms and conditions and in that terms and conditions, it says that any lawsuit brought against Disney. 28:56 they'll have to go to arbitration. So now they're trying to take this to arbitration based on him accepting terms and conditions from twenty twenty one yeah on Disney plus. So if you have signed up for Disney plus they're going to kill you and get away with it. Yeah, well what's interesting is he. This is just a testament to how much the law doesn't exist yes, because he has a really good lawyer and so what his lawyer said is we're going to set up a trust in his wife's name and the trust is going to sue her because she did not accept the terms and conditions. 29:25 Yeah, and so she she can take you to court while he can't and so he's not a part of the suit anymore, yep and the trust is and so that's just which is crazy. Yeah, but it is like I mean it's scary. The terms and conditions thing have we talked about black mirror on this podcast, the black mirror ad campaign when black mirror a few years ago. They did an episode about terms and conditions. Yeah, if you haven't seen black mirror, where have you been 29:51 But the whole concept of the show is like crazy tech companies being insane. Right. And so they literally went and they just quietly updated the terms and conditions. you give Netflix express permission to use your image likeness and your name in advertising. 30:20 your image and likeness from your social media profiles. and got people's real social profile pictures I don't remember what the bit was from that episode, And they put these billboards up all over the country 30:49 also terrifying brilliant marketing campaign, also brilliant for that show should not have been allowed yeah should not have been allowed, but it is because the law doesn't matter to the rich to the yeah yeah yeah. Anyways, that's Disney and Netflix and every terms and conditions you agree to right. So this I mean he probably in the subi probably agree we know when he signed the show. 31:14 just didn't know that he was signing up to be yeah. Yeah, I'm sure he filled out a contract that's given him crackers. They were giving him crackers. They were making sure he wasn't going to die first sweepstakes. So he's in there for nine days and there's a knock at the door and so he gets super pumped. He thinks he's finally won something hello, which where's the door? Where's the door? 31:45 he's going hello and he tells the kid hallucinating tells the kid he's like he's like did I win and the kid was like what the kid goes no they paid a kid to eat the ramen in front of him. Now the kid was like what and he's like that'll be eleven ninety nine and he was like what do you mean? I don't have any money and he's like are you what and he asks the name he's like oh he's like oh sorry wrong apartment. It was a ramen delivery kid kid 32:12 and an order. This isn't like on a set. This is a real apartment somewhere in this in Tokyo, and so this kid showed up thinking he ordered Robin and he did it and it was just like the slap in the face and like watching the dejection as he closed that door like with the ramen in front of probably smelling it like fresh cooked ramen and he's like he's like I have no way to pay for that and even if I could it's not my so 32:33 yeah, he's still naked. He's got a pillow cus he's just covered in some of that for me. Did I win? All right, let's imagine that you're a door dash driver right. You go out with a door dash, you knock on someone's door. You got the McDonald's. Someone has the door naked pillow and they go. Did I win? You run away screaming. Nope, no you didn't hang up yeah, so he's in there for 33:03 three or four more days and he has his first winning show up. He eats the socks, it's it's a box of it's something we don't have. Like they said the brand name. It's basically like tubed jello jelly or something like that. They're just little tubes of it kind of like think gogurt but for like gelatin and so he's got these little tubes. He loves it. Yeah, obviously he's starving, literally starving and so he's trying to make them last. 33:30 eats, eats them all. A couple of days later, his second price shows up and it's rice and goodness. The the rice was a pretty big winning for him because rice can last a long time. You can make that last the and it was like a pound of rice. It was like a decent amount of rice. The problem is he realized he has no pans or anything to cook with. He's got a stove, but he doesn't have any pans or anything. That's cruel. And so he's got to win pans, 34:01 pants also need, but I need pants look my book marking that for later. 34:13 it's the it's the looking pans pans got into all the pants. We've things so he fills out the info his name. Please give I'm desperate. No seriously, I deserve these. I need these really bad and so here's the problem. Mr. Give he tries. He tries to eat it raw. Yeah doesn't doesn't work. It doesn't work. 34:40 and then so then he starts trying to get tried. He starts trying to get creative and so he starts finding just different things around the house that he's like. Maybe I could put this in and then he remembers he's got those gelatin containers and he's like maybe, maybe if I turn the stove on overnight and let that run overnight and put the gelatin can chan container full of rice and water just close to it like not close enough to actually catch on fire, not like close enough towards really. It's just the heat is just slightly radiate or sound asleep. 35:10 and the whole apartments in flames all right, but now he's going to ender a sweepstakes for a fire extinguisher. 35:22 I got please no seriously need. They need this big time nine one one sweepstakes. So wakes up in the morning and it worked. It took literally all night, but that right, but he cooked that rice and that and here's the thing. Here's the thing it's a little thing, probably half the size of this bang can and so he's just got it sitting there and so he's like I can cook 35:51 that much every night and it takes all night and so he's able to get at least a little bit of food out of this and now he's starting to kind of figure out how to win sweepstakes and the point of winning sweepstakes is volume and so it becomes like a ten hour a day deal for him. It wasn't before. What else was he doing new? Well, it started out like because they gave him a notebook and so he could he could take notes and like 36:18 diaries and stuff like that, and then other than that, no one he did. He did kind of pull you and he would do run laps around the room to keep himself like physically like yeah, he's got to look hot the whole time. What do you think he's going to gain weight doing this? So he's running laps around the room and just yeah, I don't know, and then he's got a bunch of magazines. Maybe he was reading the articles. I don't know like nothing to do. I don't know, and so it started out. He's only doing a few dozen 36:46 a day and then we're and stuff. I guess I don't. I don't think he has a shower and he has a toilet. I know he has a toilet. I don't think he has a shower. Yeah, rough and so he scales up production of his mail and sweepstakes. That's the point where now he's doing twelve hundred and fifty a day on average, mail and sweepstakes holy cow hammering them out and within a few weeks he's a day thirty ish. He's the sweet start a month. 37:15 the the su states start coming giggling like he spent nine months in here, so the su states start bailing in. We start getting updates every week on that show on denpas shown in and so he's winning like major box of any he is and he's getting pumped for it. 37:39 he's getting pumped every time something comes in because he's the thing. Nothing's happening in his life. The only interesting moment in his life right now is when someone shows up at the door with a gift for him because all he does is sit there and write postcards all day yeah and so when something comes in he gets pumped like he's dancing around jumping around showing all his prizes right and his prizes are usually like like that. I think was a bunch of potato chips like they're nothing like great, but it's something you know it gives him something well. 38:08 They've been doing the, they've been blurring him out on the TV show, right? And someone then has an idea like, wait, his name is Nasubi. He's the eggplant. They're like, what if instead of blurring him out, we used an eggplant? And so they put an eggplant instead of blurring out. Here's the thing. There's a lot of like cultural people who are pretty confident. This is why the eggplant emoji became the eggplant emoji is because of this. 38:38 so it actually has more to do with this guy having an abnormally long head than anything else. Anyways, so this is whole episode for this no, no, no, it's just a happy coincidence. He's got found out a toothbrush. Yeah, I think that's what's happening there. I don't know if that's a toothbrush or his makeshift spoon. I don't know. I can't tell because I what I don't know anyways, so he's he's doing his thing. 39:07 Meanwhile, this is blowing up. Japan loves this. It's on every week. Everybody's talking about it. It is. It is Big Brother. It is twenty four. It is American Idol. It's a cultural phenomena, his parents, not stoked. They're like that's the one thing we told you one thing to do and this is why we warned you. We knew they were going to do this 39:36 the local time traveled back in times. They hate just whatever you do. Don't take you don't get they get. I tried to help you and so they the the local news doxes him someone on a local news finds his apartment, the one that he's in yeah and they publish it. I don't know why and so in the mill at night, I'm and delivery driver comes forward with his 40:04 a war, a location and so they dox him and the producer shows up at the middle of the night and says we got to move. Well, he shows up in the middle of the night and he says hey, we're going somewhere and he like makes him put on a blindfold, leaves him naked and like takes him out into a band and blindfolded and drives it drives him across town. He said that they turned on music really loud, so he couldn't tell where he was and then they pull up into an identical apartment. 40:34 somewhere in the other side of Tokyo and he was like he's like. Did I win and it is like no you've got no you've got a long way to go. No, no you've only made twenty dollars and so we love this yeah, and so he had to so they moved him. We're making millions every day. Actually we're making pretty pretty good money and so he is he has this moment where it's like oh I get to leave and there's a video of him leaving and this is around day sixty or something like that. 41:02 and sixty yeah, two months and in that scene he walks outside and you see him react. He's like he's like fresh air and then he gets in the car. He's like oh, I'm in a car. He's like he's like we're driving somewhere. He's like we're out and like we're dry. Don't make like excited about butt naked. He's got his cushion though. He's covering up with this cushion in the car and yeah, then they drop him off in this new house and there's just that moment where he takes that blindfold off and it's the same room. 41:31 and so he closed his eyes left for a while, opened his eyes and it's the same exact room and they actually moved all of his prizes in there and so all of his prizes are now in this room and he's like he's like all right, see you later and then he leaves and then he's just got to continue. So this goes on every week. They're doing these updates on denpa shonen and they're putting little updates of like here's the day day ninety nine. How long was he in here and 42:00 He's how skinny he is. And that's the hard thing is there's not a lot of and like not great amounts. of times and he's like, well, this is just in the way. And so he's got like a wall of just prizes. 42:26 Yeah, just random stuff. And there's some stuff that he had fun with, some stuff that he didn't. He did win a PlayStation at one point. And so here's footage of him playing PlayStation. He won a TV, I guess. He did win a TV, but the TV didn't have anything to hook up to. And so it was just static. But then he won the PlayStation. He played the PlayStation almost nonstop for two weeks straight. And then he was like, oh, I need to put this away. He's like, I can't. He's like, this is going to literally kill me. He's like, I have to do those sweepstakes. This is too distracting. 42:54 And so he put the box, the PlayStation up and hit it from himself because he's Okay. And then let me see if I could get this this date right. Remember the goal is to win a million yen. 43:24 I believe it was around day... uh... 43:32 two hundred and ninety something. The door opens the middle of the night. Did you just say two hundred and ninety? Yeah, yeah day like two ninety. The door opens up in the middle of night. Producer comes in. He's asleep, still naked. He's never won pants. He's one close, but they've never fit him. So there's been times where he's one close, but he couldn't like they literally couldn't fit. Okay, he's been naked for like two hundred and ninety days 44:02 This is a crime. Yeah, and I mean you saw in this shot, his hair is now really long. He's starting to get some unkempt facial hair. He's got a lot of random prizes. A globe? Toshio comes in with the camera crew and a few other people and he's laying there asleep naked in the middle of the night and Toshio comes in with party poppers. There's a possum in his face. So he wakes up to a party popper and it's like. 44:31 all over his face and he's just staring at him like confused and so he pops another one and he's literally he doesn't say a word he's just staring at Toshio and he pops another potty popper and party popper yeah and then he's like he's like what are you doing and he's like he's like what do you he does he does that he pops another one he says what are party poppers for and he was like parties and he's like yeah then he passed another one he's like he's like why do you why do you use him he's like to celebrate 45:00 And he's like, why would we be using one? He pops another one in his face and he's like, did I did I win? And he's like, yeah, he pops another one in his face and he's like, you did it. You the game show was called a life and prizes and he's like, you survived the life and prizes and he's like, he's like, are you serious? Are you, are you joking? Are you messing with me? Cause he's he's had this happen. Obviously that one time he got docs runs before 45:21 and it did actually happen another time they moved him at another point. I don't know why, but they just moved him and so he's moved three times in the middle of night, so he's like a little guarded at this point. He's like I don't know if I believe you and he they have a suit and like put this on and he's like oh my gosh close. He hasn't worn clothes in two hundred ninety some days, and so he's like he's like okay. Can I go home now and he's like well, we have one more thing we have to do and so they walk out to this live studio audience. They put the blindfold on and they take him out 45:48 and he gets in a car. This time he's fully clothed. He's wearing a suit, a full suit. They take him out to car and then the car stops and they get out of the car. They walk up some stairs and he sits down in this chair and then he realizes he's in a plane and they're like he's like wait. Are we in a plane? Where are we going and he's blindfolded and they're like just wait and so plane lands. They get out of the plan, the tarmac and same apartment and get out play on the tarmac 46:18 And then they go out into the street, like they find a main road somewhere in like the downtown area of this place they went. They take off the mask and they're like, do you know where you are? And he's looking around, never been to this place before, doesn't recognize it at all. And he's looking around and he deduces just from looking at the signs. He's like, are we in Korea? Is that Korean? And he was like, yeah, we're in Seoul, South Korea. And it's like, we're celebrating your winnings because you said in one of your journals that when you leave you want to- 46:48 he said. He said he said that you wanted to eat Korean food when you want. That was the first thing you wanted to do, so we took you to Korea to get authentic Korean food cool. Yeah, so malnourished so unclean hasn't wearing clothes the first time in a year, so they take and he's like they take him to this Korean restaurant. He's in this suit. 47:12 and they take a picture of him and they're like hey, get be excited. They are. They film this whole thing. His brain is broken. Yeah, they put him on this on the show. They take him to a Korean theme park. He actually get a million dollars worth of prizes. Yeah, he got him well a million yen. So it's like eight thousand yeah. He earned a million yen worth of it to come two hundred and ninety days. Yeah, of mail and sweet steaks to reach a million yen worth of of goods. The last thing he got was actually a bag of rice that put him over the million and so then he gives us a Korea 47:42 They took him to a theme park. They do a whole day riding the theme park rides and then the final day of the final scene of this like celebratory day in Korea, partying his whole like him celebrating to his apartment. They walk in. They they take him to a different place. They walk him through a door and they walk in and it's the same exact apartment, same layout, same everything, but now it's empty in Korea. Toshio says we want to know if you can do this in Korea. 48:12 and so he says here's a Korean Japanese dictionary, so you can translate the magazines and then he leaves and he makes them strip again makes no and they extend it because at this point the show they're trying to get a career market. Well, the ratings are at seventeen. They have seventeen million viewers a week on the show, which is better than American model did and it's pay hey day in J in Japan, and so this show is crushing 48:41 and so he hit it and the producers were like we can't stop and so like see if he can do it in Korea, so they take him to Korea and they drop him in an apartment and this is kidnapping at some point right. I mean I think you're right. It does depend with the contract look like like he signed a contract. Probably didn't look at it. It does just kind of depend what he agreed to when he signed the contract. Oh this sucks. 49:11 and so this first prize is a bag of rice. It was, it was, it was the same concept. It was a life and prizes Korea is what they did still aired on dempa shonen and everybody's tuning in every week to see if he can do it. This time the prize is equivalent to like three grand. It's a much lower goal to get to and so he and now he knows how to do this and so 49:36 the added challenge, though, is he doesn't read the language. He doesn't know how he doesn't be added challenge is that he doesn't have a language, not that you've been alone for a complete year with only three instances for if you count the delivery driver where you're interacting with another human being the added challenge that you don't know Korean and so so he starts entering these stresses me out and 50:02 in these two six he's opening the magazine. He has to translate every word of the magazine to understand what it's saying, and even if that is a sweepstakes he can enter and then when he enters the sweepstakes he has to translate his postcard to Korean to into the sweet stakes. So it's an increased serious challenge, but he pulls it off in thirty days and so they come in and they were like. How do you feel about Australia mate? 50:30 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 50:58 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it, so 51:30 they're like they're like you did it. Congratulations, great job and they said. What have you doubled it? He goes 51:42 I'm going to go home. Yeah and so so he said no, so so they double it and he keeps doing it. What does he get at the end of this? Does he just get all the prizes? No, he gets to be on TV. Mind you, here's the thing. He has no idea that this is going out on TV yet like he thinks this is going to release after the fact. That's what they told him. 52:09 He doesn't know these he doesn't know that people know about him yet. Yeah, yeah, and so after three hundred and thirty five days of this, the producer comes in and it's like you did it. You won a life and prizes and so he takes him and same thing puts him in that same suit. At this point, he said in interviews after the fact, he said he hated wearing clothes for a long time after this. 52:34 Yeah, because he was naked for forever. Yeah, and so he's like it was so uncomfortable. It was so itchy, like it was so hard to get used to being clothed again. So same thing gets that suit put on, goes in a van completely blindfolded and then they leave. They take him back to Japan, but at this point he is like. I mean they have millions of weekly viewers. He is so unbelievably famous that they're like we can't fly him out of oh yeah, so they take him on a boat. 53:02 back to Japan and it was like one of those fairies to go through security on that first flight. I don't know what the deal was with the first flight that for sure yeah and so this one and I don't know yeah. I kind of feel like there was probably ways around with this with a flight, but I don't know if it was for theatrical effect or whatever on Southwest Airlines and so so they so what they did on this sorry, South Korea, West 53:27 so they put them on one of those fairies, but they pulled a ferry in and you know how like if you've ever taken a ferry, you drive your car up onto the boat yeah and then you get out of your car and you go up to the boat part of the boat where you ride the boat stayed in the and then you go down and you get it and they left him in the car and so they all got out and so he's just in the van. I look at your line folded on the boat child block turned on it so he writes at the car and folded and use your ice 53:58 guy. Here's the boat horn are in a Disney cruise right now. I don't trust Disney my life in Disney cruises. Did I agree to these terms and conditions 54:19 So they ride the boat back to Tokyo, and then he guides him through this new building that they walk into. And so he just impulsively is dejected And he grabs the, he's like, I know the drill, 54:49 the cushion covers himself up and sits down. The hosts are there, they've quieted the whole audience. and a live studio audience, and everyone's waiting, to reveal he's in front of this. 55:17 live studio audience. He has no idea, by the way, he thinks he's in a regular apartment again, and so he just sees the walls fall down. 55:29 to then be but naked. You know how I wouldn't make it past day for they couldn't do this to me that and there's hundreds of people in the room. This makes me so people are taking pictures. There's music, there's confetti cannons going off like it's like it's like he won a major game show because he did three times yeah three times. He remember is three times 55:55 people are losing their minds. The hosts of the show come, they walk up to him and they're like crouched down next time with their mics and they start asking all these questions. He's just be Korean. He's just he's just completely floored like he is speechless. He can't talk and he's like. Did I win and they're like yeah you won you did it. You won a life and prizes and he's like can I put clothes on and like just just frozen honestly like deer and headlights moment 56:22 And it's also the first time he's talked to anyone really. Like he's talked to the producer and he's talked to that ramen kid. But for a year, those are the only people he's talked to. Yeah, a lot of talking to himself. And so they bring out a robe, they put him in this robe and they escort him off and they make a whole big deal about this. And that's the first moment he realizes that he's been on TV this whole time. And he like now he can't go out in public because he gets mobbed because everybody knows him, everybody loves him. Like he has a. 56:52 a pretty loyal fan base. Like everybody really appreciates him because the show, like any show made him look really good. Yeah, they made him look fun. They made him look like he was having a great time. Like it was really enjoyable and all this stuff. Um, and they like, they censored out all the stuff where he was dejected and writing these really sad journal entries and like very clearly spiraling out of control. Um, cause he was, he was losing his mind and yeah, 57:21 Like anyone would, you can't be alone in a room naked with no food and expect to be in a good mental state. Yeah. And so, oh, another interesting thing I forgot to mention. About day 80, there was these rumors. Everyone was like, oh, this isn't real. They bring a man, they film all this stuff, then they take him out and he's just acting like all this is fake. And so Toshio started the first 24-7 livestream. 57:49 and so they live streamed his room twenty four seven on the internet. It was the first time anyone anyone's ever done that and they had a crew of people. It was like thirty people manning this live stream and there was someone whose job was to just track him with that eggplant at all times and so like they would go and shifts and just track him with the eggplant. Make sure he was still censored twenty four seven for like two hundred more days, something like that of just what do you do for work? Oh, oh 58:18 have you ever played Pac Man and Siddler kind of like I play that all day only much higher stakes. There's no ghosts yeah, but there might as well be so he gets out and all of this gets revealed to him that it like he's famous now and he's 58:44 got a mixed feelings for this. He goes on a press tour. They sent him on a press tour, I should say, so he does like every late night talk show in Japan, every news channel in Japan, every morning show like he is guesting on literally everything that exists for like four weeks straight. They're flying him around. He's doing all these guest appearances, doing all these interviews. They're blindfolding him, taking it off. He's like good morning Japan. Yeah, yeah, he even like leaves the country a couple times. He goes on BBC and they interview him on the BBC. 59:13 And so it's like it's like a major press tour and goes from being trapped in a room for three hundred days with nothing to eat to a giant, giant level press tour touring quite literally a decent part of the world and having to do all these interviews and he's never done any of this before in his life. And he said that that press tour was tough because not only was it hard to wear clothes now, but he also had no one to talk to for a year and so he he's like I found myself 59:43 all of a sudden being socially awkward. And you can kind of see it in the interviews, and he has strange habits Just doesn't hold the conversation very well. He does the press tour, he goes back to Tokyo. 01:00:11 and then he's like, well, I'm going to go home, see my family. They're probably going to disown me for going out and being naked, naked for being naked. But luckily that didn't happen. They like welcome him home. They knew that, oh, this is he was tricked. They could tell right away. And so they welcomed him back. He, as far as I know, never took like legal action or anything. 01:00:37 I don't know if that was something there was like grounds for and like. I don't know what Japanese law is around something like this, so maybe he knew it was something he couldn't win or maybe he did sign a contract and he knew. Oh, I I agreed to that. I don't know, but it did open up a comedy career for him. He got to be in some TV shows. He got to be in a few movies. He did stand up for a little bit. He's a pretty recognizable. Yeah, everybody knows him now and so he was able to build a career out of this and 01:01:07 for him though, he was in a very dark place after this, understandably because like yeah, I mean, I guess I don't have to explain why he was in a dark place until he found what he figured was like his purpose and that was in March of twenty eleven because a long time. 01:01:34 to find a purpose. Yeah, yeah. And so he did like, he had a career, but he was in a dark place for years. March of 2011, there was a pretty major event in Japan because there was a giant earthquake. That earthquake triggered a major tsunami, and that tsunami took out the Fukushima nuclear plant and led to the Fukushima nuclear disaster. And so being from Fukushima, he immediately. 01:02:00 got on a train from Tokyo to go home to see his family and his friends and make sure everyone was okay. And luckily everyone was okay, but he noticed almost immediately, the place was trashed. If they got hit with an earthquake and then a tsunami immediately after, the place was just completely destroyed. And there were people who've lost loved ones, who've lost possessions, their homes are destroyed. Terrible situation, but people would see him and he just... 01:02:29 having him there. He was such like a figure that people figure figure. People were like they would see him and they like break down crying. They go hug him and they be like thanks for being here and like there was people. There was a person who came up to him and said I lost my autograph in the tsunami. I'm so sorry and he was like he's like. Well, I can give you another one yeah and he realized 01:02:58 Hey, I had one, but I've lost it. Would you give me another one? And so he do you what I mean? You know if my home was destroyed by like a hurricane or something yeah, I would love to see just like sure my house is gone yeah sure all of my belongings never coming back things that like I have like 01:03:24 nostalgic value. Yeah, my pets probably yeah, you know my my car, my neighbors, yeah, yeah house, not them. They're fine. Yeah, but my name is house. Yeah, just a Patrick Mahomes walk through. I'd be like this is worth it. I'm so happy so glad you're here. 01:03:49 Well, what he says is weird to me, so he helped in the rebuild. I understand, but it's weird to me. He helped in the rebuild and he realized during that rebuild he's like when Joe Biden came to Joplin tornado. Do you know about this? Do you remember that? I don't remember that because I don't. I wasn't here yeah, so I don't remember it. I wasn't big job on tornado yeah yeah horrible yeah and it was like a hundred and sixty two people who died. Yeah, Joe Biden, then Vice President, yes comes and doesn't event and says a hundred and sixty two thousand people died in 01:04:19 it's not a hundred percent real people in job. He straight up was like a hundred and sixty two thousand people died. Joe Biden Joplin 01:04:32 and that's when I knew I'm going to vote for that guy. I've got a vote for that guy. I know at Joplin High School, October, third, twenty fourteen. He came way late. I'm saying you were there and you were in Springfield, because he came after the rebuild of the high school was done. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah to like dedicate the high school. Yeah that high schools, why very the amount of money that got put. So that was what was so hard about. I was on staff at North Point and we were launching a campus in Joplin and one of the 01:05:01 barriers. One of the challenges was that people in Joplin had so much money flow in there and so much relief like it became like 01:05:13 I think that they responded to job in the way that they should have responded to Katrina. If that makes sense, yeah, I know what you're saying and I think they were so afraid of how poorly the US government and the world responded to Katrina that they were like. We can't do that again, yeah, so then they over responded to job one yeah and it was all good necessary stuff yeah right, but you know so much attention so much like you know yeah funding the whole thing and then Joey be 01:05:43 dedicates at high school and then all of it was just like all right, we're done yeah, they left yeah and the next year we like launched a campus, but it's now been a year since they've had all this funding and all this attention. Yeah, they just went back to being the ugly stepsister of Springfield. Yeah, that it was it was very weak. It was challenging because they were like well, how long you gonna be here? Yeah, yeah, that was definitely the gonna be nothing that wasn't explicitly said, but that was definitely could feel it. Yeah, it was like yeah, but you're going to help us for a couple years and then dip and then you're going to go, which is what I did. 01:06:14 so the so he realized in that moment he's like he's like I think there's something I can make of this yeah, because he's like he's like I didn't really learn any skills while I was in my life and prizes. He's like I learned how to fill out twelve hundred post cards a day, but that's not really a valuable skill help these people and so but what he realizes he's he became a figure and him being a part of something could like actually help people and so sure he learned. Oh, I can put my name on it 01:06:41 Well, what he said is he said I could fill this emptiness inside me by helping other people, and so he was a part of the relief effort and then he went as an effort to raise money for Fukushima. He built a campaign to climb Everest and he said fund me going to Everest and I'll donate all that money back to Fukushima, and so he's like I'm going to climb Everest and then you donate to Fukushima for it. Help me. You know I'm saying 01:07:11 I mean, I know exactly what me complete my pilot's license and I will give money back to you. Help me do something that I want to do. What was it? It wasn't because he could go he so he could go on his own. Basically it was like it was like hey. It was kind of like those like those like run walk like those donation is like. So you donate I'm a lapse around Everest. Will you do 01:07:32 you give me you donate two dollars yeah and then I'll do twenty five laps. So you got to give me fifty kind of yeah kind of so something like that give me a so people are donating foot that I gain on on he's risked and he's climbing and he's climbing Everest in Fukushima's name right and so he goes he gets a he gets a trainer. He gets a guide. He's in a group of like a hundred people to climb Everest. It's a shaman 01:07:54 Yeah, and so they go there's a group of like a hundred of them. They get a base camp, but there are people whose whole job is to like climb Everest every day and help tourists yeah achieve their go up and those like we do and they just do that all the time. Have you heard of that food or that Everest business that just got started? It's a start up for Everest. Have you heard of this? They fly to the top? No, what they do that would be what they do. I would love that is you sign up 01:08:20 and they find a hill near you and they do the math. How many times you have to climb that hill to climb Everest and so then they're like yeah, go at this hill, you do it is and it's your Everest climb for cheaper. Is that count Everest ten thousand laps in your living room? That's the business you pay them significantly less than you pay to go to Everest yeah and then you climb Everest wild if it was the same. 01:08:47 it's so goofy because it's like it's like yeah. I mean you're going the same distance, but it's so much easier like it's not frozen. It's not. You say that but you've never done it. I mean I've never done it. Let's what I'm the Everest near us. Are we in no come on now? I bet I'll do a faster. I bet I'll even complete. You know what faster's not even thing because it doesn't matter how long I take. You will never complete it. Oh 01:09:17 Hmm. I don't know about that. 01:09:21 I mean his head all it takes is a little competition. All right, so anyways, so I bet I could put more money in my bank account than you could. I bet I could put more money, not earn or put more in my bank account. 01:09:44 so he gets he gets he gets he gets the base camp. He gets the base camp for not let me at the base of Everest. Yeah, there's like a hundred of them. They set up camp. They're going to no one sponsored the next day. How long is this episode by the way we're almost there? Oh shoot and the the earthquake of Nepal hits Nepal's big earthquake hits and he's at base camp of Mount Everest and that triggers an avalanche and this avalanche 01:10:13 hits their base camp. There's footage of all of them just getting nailed by this avalanche. And so he's now in two back to back earthquakes basically that lead to secondary disasters. And a handful of people did die. A bunch of people were injured and he jumped right into like emergency mode and started like setting up, okay, here's. 01:10:38 he was going through everybody's bags, finding all the first aid stuff, setting up a first aid station, and finding all the clothes, like getting all the clothes together so people would have places to get warm, warm clothes and like change out of their stuff where they got avalanched, and then helping people get out of the area, you know? And like really was kind of a hero in this situation. And so he goes home and he's like, he's like, I'm sorry Fukushima, I failed you. And they were like, no, we heard about what you did. And it was like... 01:11:06 even better and better. Yeah, we're so glad that that happened. Yeah, we're so proud of you die on Everest, so we're actually pretty glad we watched you walk that hill by your house and we were like like that's not going to happen, and so he goes and he he goes back to do it again and he this time achieves it and it has become a thing he does now and so he's now climbed Everest four times. 01:11:31 And every time he does it, he does it in the name of some other charity. And they give to another charity. And so he just climbs Everest over and over again. And he's like, I've realized that this has brought me to this point. And so he's like, my life in prizes was the worst experience of his life. I was definitely held hostage. And it was a mentally very trying thing. And he said I was in a very dark place for a very long time after that. But he's like, I do think. It was worth it for this. Yeah, at the end of the day, where it put me. 01:12:00 and that's the thing that a lot of people don't realize yeah fame solves most of your problems. You know saying like it's like man that sucked, but I was famous after, but I ended up famous. I was like ah, so it's worth it. So here he is on top of Everest and he he's but as they made hoods that big 01:12:25 to cover his eggplant head, so he is he went from wearing zero clothes to the place where you have to wear the most clothes and he's like this is a lot. You sure we need this? Do you sure we need this? You sure? Do you sure we wow? So now I'm glad he found a purpose. Yeah, so he now he would be forty almost fifty yeah forty nine he's forty nine and yeah. Now he like he speaks at events and he talks about 01:12:50 I don't know how to be naked for three days. No, he talks about hope and stuff like that and he still does the occasional comedy thing, but by and large he spends his time doing climbing Everest, yeah climbing, a long time doing like I want you to get up and back. We'll stop them back after the fit. We'll save yeah. I'll look it up. So yeah, that's that's that's nasubi crazy experience in my life and prizes 01:13:20 arguably one of the craziest TV shows ever made that producer went on to do a few more TV shows. They got darker and darker and darker. Literally one of them was they were trapped in a room in the dark and they had to like surviving. It was a very similar concept, but those are in the dark and so the challenge is that it's the lights are off the challenges. You can still going to fill out those sweepstakes, but you can't see a thing and so he ended up here's thirty thousand dollars in cash. You have to match the serial numbers to a radio station in the United States. 01:13:50 but it's pitch black dark yeah, and so he did a handful more of these contests. He ended up getting shut down by the network though, because they were like. I don't know if we can do this. They're like this is pretty bad and people he's like finally I've been trying to get fired for you. I couldn't believe you guys said yes to half these ideas. Obviously these are like get out of here. Ideas the public turned on him because the public had no idea like how bad of a place in a subi was in 01:14:15 when they realized he was in a bad mental state. They're like, oh, that sucks because we like him. You guys know yeah, no, no, we just assumed he was happy. He'd acted like it sometimes on the show. Yeah, sometimes and so that's an a subi. He's a hero wow, big long head fiddle off 01:14:45 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, we've got an episode called Ida Wood, where there was this woman who lived in her apartment without leaving for, I don't know what it was, like 70 years. It was something pretty insane. She ate everything inside that apartment. She hoarded a little bit. It's kind of a wild story, a little nasty, so it's kind of like it's kind of like this episode, but like a little different in a way. You know, it's similar, but different, and that's what a recommendation is. It's to see something that's similar, but different. 01:15:14 And hey, if you want to see next week's episode right now, you can do that by becoming a Patreon supporter. There's a link in the bio to do that, or in the description to do that. Our Patreon supporters get a lot of great perks. Like they get an episode a week early with ad free, they get a discord, they get to hang out with our producers and us in a video call once a month, which is super fun and a lot of other great perks. And not to mention they make this show happen. So we really appreciate all our Patreon supporters. You can do that right now at the link in the description, or you can just subscribe, you can like, you can comment, you can do all the stuff that YouTubers tell you to do. 01:15:44 because that helps a ton. But we really appreciate you watching our show. It will see you next week on Things I Learned Last Night.


Imagine living in a small apartment for almost a year without clothes, food, or a way to escape. This was the reality for Nasubi, a contestant on a Japanese game show. Nasubi, whose real name is Tomoaki Hamatsu, became an unexpected celebrity when he was chosen to participate in a unique and challenging game show that tested his endurance, patience, … Read More

The First Person Trapped in Space | Sergei Krikalev

09-03-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 Okay, movie idea. You're trapped in space while your country back home is collapsing. So you're just orbiting in the space station or like on a ship and your country back home is just devolving into chaos. Yeah. And the government's falling apart. And so now- And you're watching with a telescope. Well yeah, because there's no government now you can't get home. Yeah, yeah, you're stuck up there. That sucks. Well it's based on a true story because there's a guy that we call the last Soviet and he was an astronaut. 00:29 in space while the Soviet Union was collapsing true story. This is things I learned last night. 00:39 every week we learn about an interesting topic and this week we learn about the last Soviet, so like, subscribe, follow our stuff and thanks for checking out this episode. 00:52 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Sergay Cricklev, Sergay, Sergay Cricklev, Cricklev, Cricklev, Sergay, Sergay, Constantinovich Cricklev. No, it's a Russian guy. 01:13 it'll off. Our show is just naming random Russian people and will eventually do our best, our highest listen to episode is when we finally got to your yakoff's, you know, I was like yes, yes, you know, Sergei Crick, you'll crick a lab. Yeah, you don't have to keep trying to say you can call us. We'll just come, Sergei, okay, 01:41 I don't know if you can tell what he does by this picture. He's a clown. He's a he's a Russian cosmonaut. They call him cosmonauts, not astronauts, which is honestly sick, cooler, pretty freaking sick and I you know I'm. I wonder if they're like astronaut oh oh gross cool. You know what though I found out from this the word cosmonaut 02:08 And I think astronauts the same thing. I never knew this. Do you know where that word comes from? From not? Yeah, the whole phrase. Where does the word astronaut cause? Yeah, nautical. Yeah. And but it's space nautical. Yeah. So you're astronomy space sailors. Yes. Yeah. That's so cool. You didn't like that I knew that. Yeah. I hate that you knew that. Yeah. But. 02:32 I never knew that until I was researching this and I actually named after not a cut the shoe brand they sponsored them because they were like I will call them astronauts. They're like we need twenty five million dollars to get to space and not because stepped up. Did someone say space like we've got just the shoe yeah 02:55 the space, exactly how space travel would happen now. If we did the moon landing now, it'd be like sponsored by night. We need to find a sponsor to run it yeah. 03:12 Yeah, I respect that. I'm sticking. I like that. I like that slogan for Nike. Just mood it. So Sergei Sergei is an astronaut for cosmonaut cost. Thank you. Cosmonaut space sailor for Soviet Russia. This is USSR peak space race when he's working for him. Yeah. Well, I shouldn't say peak space race, late space race, eighties. Yeah, eighties. 03:41 Russia now hat is operating the mirror satellite, which I probably should have got a picture of the mere saddle. I'm going to do that real quick while I talk about it. Okay, the mere satellite stands for peace and it was before the international space station, the largest satellite, largest yeah and do you know that while you're looking that up, do you know there's yeah those two people stranded on the international space station right now? Yes, and they were told this week that it could be up to a year. Yeah, because of Boeing crazy 04:09 That's wild. It's wild that Boeing is having all this stuff go on right now and they also got astronauts stuck in. We were we were talking about that this morning as we roll in the airport and space X has a plane that's just at the airport for some reason interesting space X logoed plane interesting, but it was over like on the private air field side yeah and there's a huge Boeing office. Oh yeah yeah yeah so I told ray I said they might be at Boeing 04:38 being like trying to figure out how to get those people off interesting international space station. Yeah, because they're just stuck because the Boeing thing doesn't work. Interesting. So mirror, this is the mirror space station. Honestly looks pretty close to the international space station, just a little smaller was the first coupled structure in space. So they flew up and they coupled them together like that scene in interstellar. 05:03 What was like super stressful and like actually didn't I don't remember so interstellar. I watched when I was at like a youth conference. Oh interesting. We went to go watch it but we were also exhausted. It was the three of us and we were exhausted from the conference. Oh yeah. So we watched it glazed over. Yes. Yeah. And like don't and the other guy with me straight up fell asleep in the middle and then woke up and was like who's this guy? 05:30 who's it was like. What are you listen? We can't we can't explain it. I just got the AMC movie pass. Do they still do that? I thought that no, it's continued. They brought it really and it's up to three movies a week, so it's a little limited, a little less as unlimited, but that's a good deal. It's pretty freaking worth it. How much is it? Twenty five bucks a month. That's so worth it. Yeah, absolutely. So we went and watched her person. Yeah, yeah, per person, but still we went and watched a go twice twice a week. You've got it yeah. 05:59 you go twice in a month. You've got it right and so yeah, we've been we're going to a lot of movies. Dope anyways, well, interso is worth watching again while we're on the topic. You should watch it. It's a great film, but the so the mere space station was a technological marvel right and this year to get put together. It was it was getting put together, so it's similar to the is now is it's continually expanding kind of like your your 06:28 nephews like a kind of like a like a upper middle class family's house in rural Missouri. They keep adding, adding yeah, but the none of it ever works. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, you're just like what is this? There used to be a one car garage. Now it's a two car garage with a bathroom in the garage. 06:48 Yeah, no, the back parts, the bathroom, yeah, the bag laundry room, yeah in the laundry room, yeah and there's a the master bedroom is can you got to walk through one of the other bedrooms now to get to it? Yes, and it's way bigger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, huge, huge huge master bedroom. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. So this is very similar concept. They've been expanding it over time and this space race was a weird time where 07:12 it very much was like a game of one upmanship. Oh for sure between the US and Soviet Russia and Soviet Russia with the except and then we also beat them in hockey. That was a big deal. The hockey team one is a miracle on ice. The actually is there a bar that I can order can get a miracle on ice 07:43 that's kind of cool kind of fun. Yeah, that's pretty cool. You get open to sports, but the sports bar yeah. Let's do that. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I should open a sports bar just for this one. Just one. You know this one started at all. It was a play on words, a play on words, the drinks trash. It's not good. We're pretty bad to be honest. Awful. It's honestly you should probably get it not on. I yeah 08:12 nasty. It's just it sells her water, pumps of cement, those say and a sprig of men toothpaste, just a squirt of and crest to so you're going to get freaking cold source dude. Oh gosh, that hit like a mirror. I can't wait to finish brushing my teeth. It's a miracle. Anyone finishes it. You got out of your life. All right anyway, so they've been so it's like there's 08:40 It's a one up man of like you know we went to space. No, we went to space and we did this and and I think a lot of people, a lot of we took four people to space is the thing. A lot of people get it twisted that the US won the space race because we did, but all we really did better was the moon. Yeah for the majority of the space race, so we russia was in the lead. They were they got the first satellite up. They got this the mirror up 09:04 they had more people in space. They got the first people in space matter. We've talked about this before. Like if you don't win the presidency, no one remembers you as a vice president, you know, so they did a bunch of vice president stuff in the in space. Here's I think I think a better example is it's kind of like the NFL. If you want a bunch of championships before the Super Bowl era, it doesn't really matter. Who cares? The Super Bowl era is what matter. That's what but also name a single lineman 09:33 it's just in general yeah that's active now yeah it's harder active. Oh, hard I can I can name. I could name people. I know sports 09:51 My name is single lineman. Yeah, you don't get points for lineman and fantasy, so I don't know any of them. Yeah, and that's the yeah, yeah, that's funny. I was watching funny. No, I was watching. Have you watched? Do you watch hard knocks? No. Do you know what hard knocks is in hard knocks? They're doing the bears this year, which is more fun for me. They show there's this tradition that the team has. I've never heard of this, but it's an I don't know if it's new or if they've done it for a long time. 10:20 but in now I do it in training camp. They make all the rookies go up front and do karaoke, but before they do karaoke, they have to introduce themselves and they say their name, where they went to college, their draft position, the position they play and their sign on bonus and then they do the karaoke karaoke song of their choice and in hard knocks. They had Caleb Williams and Caleb Williams goes kill was their first round draft pick yeah the quarterback who's supposed to save the team 10:49 and so hopefully he goes on does this whole thing as they need it. His sign up there so trash he goes to a need him to pull them from the gutter, because they've been trying to get this new stadium built and Chicago's like we're not going to do it. If you keep losing games all right, and so they're like ah fine, we'll start winning. Here's to that Chicago accent was awful. Here's how much money we gave Caleb, so his sign on bonus was twenty point five right million, and so he does his 11:18 sign about it, then he does a song and then they bring on. I don't know what round they picked on like six round lineman. He comes up. He does his and I saw an almost was a gift card to chilis is inside. That was twenty thousand and so yeah, coming after twenty point five to twenty thousand is insane now to be fair as I bought a Honda a core with it about a two thousand seven on the thirty thousand miles. 11:48 excited to be here. The here's the thing. What once I'm from here, a lineman who gets to starting lineman will still make a million a year. Yeah, it's the lowest they can, but they got a they got to become a starter, right, but yeah, it's just I was explaining. I was explaining pre season the other day to my wife because she was like what I don't understand what we're doing. Yeah, and I was like well, not all these people are going to be on the team. They're not going to make it so you can be playing the pre season for an NFL 12:18 have got drafted and made it yeah and then still get cut yeah and I said yep yeah it's pretty devastating same thing with our kids. You can get born, you can make him in the family, but by year two is when I finalize the roster yeah yeah and if you're not sharp enough at year to yeah go find a new family loser. 12:41 women picnicking without you number. What 12:53 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 13:19 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still. I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 13:36 Yeah, it's a pretty drastic difference between the this. Yeah, it's interesting. They're all wealthy. All of them are wealthy, but there is a well gap. Not all of them. Well, the minimum salary you can make on it on the active roster. I think it's two hundred and fifty thousand a year, so yeah, you're still wealthy. Sure there's a wealth gap, but that's like that's like league wide, right? Yeah, so you're wealthy. You play for the chiefs and make two fifty in Kansas City. Yeah, 14:01 but if you play for the Washington commanders and make two fifty in Washington DC, you're still upper middle class, yeah, upper me yeah sure upper middle class playing alongside. Yeah, there's a wealth gap. That's what I'm saying is there's a big wealth gap. Everyone is like when my homes signed his some people are doing better homes, his gigantic contract yeah and some of their teammates were like hey, we're to a movie. You want to go and he's I can't go to movies and they were like 14:27 Oh yeah, yeah, Patrick, my home, that's right. I didn't realize I got that everyone who doesn't even watch football knows who you are. Yeah, yeah, crazy. He can buy out the theater if he wants to go. I'm sure, but I'm sure he's got that in his house right. Got a C, that's why he built that whole thing. Yeah, he's got a C movie pass as in like I own fifty six percent of the stocks. Why pay twenty four dollars a month when I can buy all the stock by the company goes up? People are yeah. 14:55 you know people are excited homes is roaring kitty. Okay, so the mere satellite all this to say right the sovi was winning space is crazy so via russia was winning the space race up until the moon landing thing and then rice that's. I was saying the moon. We want the super bowl was they won the rest of history of the yeah and then we came in and won the super bowl at the last inning and everyone's like oh my gosh, standing yeah. 15:25 and everyone's like oh who cares about so we're a last goal and so mere satellite. Here's the thing. Here's the interesting thing about the mere satellite that I never knew about the soviet Russia towards the end of soviet Russia in like the eighties didn't really have enough operating cash to operate it. So what they would do is they would reach out to sponsors to sponsor trips to 15:53 Oh, we weren't joking yeah to the satellite and what they would be is they would go. They go to like state sponsors or like museums or academic institutions and say hey, if you could put a cola yeah. If you could put up like I don't know fifteen million, we could send one of your researchers up and they could be up there for like three months or two weeks or whatever and do some research or maybe say you've got like 16:16 a tourist you want to set up, but the problem is they would say that space tourists at the launch pads pretty full, so you can write a right or by there. We've got like a bike, we've got a bike rack and everything, and so what typically would happen is there would be an engineer who was the person who actually knew how to run the space station and dock and right and fly the the space shot and all that stuff. So the engineer knew how to do a new out of all the stuff 16:44 then there was a flight captain who was the boss man and then there would be the sponsored person. So it was either a scientist from somewhere, a researcher or a space tourist and they were basically the people behind them paid or for that trip and so they got to go just kind of for fun space tours and everyone else basically just front the money for something actually happening not now but back then. Yes, we didn't the United States never did space tourism because we just dumped 17:11 every penny we had in it for a while, because we're like, this would be cool if we're better than Soviet Russia. And then, Soviet Russia went away, and so there was no one to be better than, so we just stopped caring. That's why we don't go back to the moon. It's not because we never went there, it's because there's no one to beat. If one of these other countries started looking like they were going to go, then you better believe we're back. We're so back. The problem with the last... The problem! 17:38 the last fifty years, no, people to assert our dominance over problem with the last thirty years is there's no one for us to beat. We're better than everybody by so much. We haven't had anyone to beat and so yeah, we haven't done anything. Why are the countries hate? We haven't done anything super cool except for the Olympics. What's the olympics? Did you see what China did 18:00 What they do, do you see so after the Olympics? Yeah, they put out a report, their own gold medalist, their own medalist. Okay, and so what they did is they said, hey, so technically speaking, like the list that the Olympics put out is the US won the most medals in this olymp, this year's Olympics. They said China was like, actually their list is a little wrong because we also Taiwan is us and so we have all of Taiwan's medals also and then they're like also if you look at the United States and you take out 18:29 This is rough. If you take out everyone born from everyone descended from the African slave trade, then the United States actually significantly less. They didn't say a hundred percent said that. And they were like, and also if you take, if you take out everyone who is of Jewish descent, then look at their way lower than us. And we are actually in first place because of that. That's what they said. 18:55 if you're racist, the numbers add up like if you're if you're racist and you give us a lot more medals from another country that we just think is ours. That is ours. Then we're better than you. So honestly look, China's trying and so that tells me that maybe in a few years they could be trying to go to the moon and that gives me hope that we have someone to crush. That could mean that we we need someone to be better than we're too better than everyone. 19:23 that's we got so good. I could mean that neck and neck with soviet russia sleeves. We're not putting on the ritz. We got thunder in our feet and lightning in our fists. This either sounds like for the people who don't know the call back. This either sounds like a we're just coming up with a poem yeah or it sounds like like a 19:51 the children's cartoon Halloween chant where we're around a cold a cauldron. Oh yeah, I under and his footsteps lightning in his fists. The ghost comes out kill China, like just kids. I can't believe we watch the fifties. All right, Halloween movies were different back then. That's what I'm saying. So anyways, that's that 20:20 I have no idea. Oh, it's a space tourism. So there that's how they would get to space right. Sergey was an astronaut and Sergey went on a lot of these trips as the engineer. He was the engineer on the trips. He's had a lot of space flights and then there was an important flight. He went on on May 19th, 1991. He leaves on the Soyuz TM 12 launches as the engineer with Commander Anatonaly. I love this name a lot by the way. 20:50 anatolny artsy barsky artsy barsky artsy barsky anatolny artsy bars no way that's right artsy barsky artsy barsky artsy barsky artsy barsky hello. I'm Mr. Artsy barsky artsy barsky. I am Mr. Arti Bartsky so artsy barsky and artsy barsky 21:19 they go up with British astronaut Helen Charmin. So Charmin was the sponsored person to go on this trip to do some research of the toilet paper. What kind of toilet paper? What does toilet paper do in space? Turns out it's paper, it's still paper in space. No, she was like she was like a biologist or something like that. I don't know she was supposed to be up there for two weeks. She did some 21:47 experiments and stuff up there while she was there. So sargays up in space. Okay, she's there for like two weeks. He's supposed to be there for a few months, two months. That's yeah. So what they would do, what they would do on these trips is we get the people off the international space station. You know I'm saying like you take another. So what happens and they did go there and you doc they did it the same way here. So you would have a ship that would go up, it would dock and then you would switch crews. So the crew would go back with the other ship and then 22:16 everyone else would get on bus drivers yeah and then the bus the bus leave and go back to earth okay, and yeah that's allegedly we've never broken the number yeah, so who knows I had thrown some keywords flat earth yeah try to get their keywords get the for the you to them and Spotify so yeah so and apple podcasts okay, thanks all places you could subscribe and patreon dot com so they would 22:45 So they're going to be up there for a few months, her and she's going to run her experience, spare, spare minutes, spear beds. He's up there for a little bit. He, while he's up there, notices somewhere in the ship. He finds a note are you messing there's that serious finds a note, a note and the note has like a numeric code on it and for a little bit, he's like, what is this? 23:15 and after a few weeks, you just bait me. I didn't say you thing. I didn't bet you this is not a bait. There's no aliens involved here, allegedly as far as we know. I mean that aliens were probably present. They were probably watching. They probably knew about all this. They don't enter the story at all. They're not part of the story, but they're there. They're always there, so they're all around us. He finds this note and it's got like a numerical code on it right, and he spent some days looking at it trying to figure out what it was, and then he realizes a way. 23:43 this is a ham radio frequency. That's what this is ham radio, ham radio. Yeah, you know what ham radio is yeah. You used to be able to put the you know the antennas that are on top of your tv yeah with the foil and stuff. You used to just stick a ham on there honey baked in a ham and it like it increased it. It's like cb radio, but earlier and like cooler. It was like a hobby thing. People yeah people would get on ham radio and talk to each other kind of like this. This is a example of ham radio. Here's another example. Here's another example. 24:14 Here I got one more example. Hold on, here's another example of ham radio. Hold on, you can't look away. I got more examples of ham radio. Keep looking. Hold on, I wanna show you more ham radio. Hold on, here's another ham radio. Hold on, here's another example of ham radio. Hey, I got another one. Here's another ham radio. Oh, here's one more. Oh, you might be saying, Tiff, that's a different guy. But wait, zoom in. There he is. 24:42 why did you do this? I don't know. It's really funny. I was wondering why you were kind of lighting up talking about ham radio. You're like a ham radio. You're a ham radio is why you so excited about that about a radio. Why you spent fifteen minutes collecting the images for this episode? I could have started way earlier. I did I to get all these pictures smoky yeah 25:10 and banned it? Yeah, he's talking on his ham radio. 25:18 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. So if you want to keep learning stuff, that's happening in the Tillon verse. 25:45 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, but I'm Till and Verse, that's the best place to do it. You can go to text tilland to 66866. There's a lot of ways to sign up for that we've talked about and everything that's going on in 26:10 Sergei Sergei gets his ham radio out. Is this whole episode just for that bit? Yeah, nothing else is interesting. No, Serga gets ham radio. I was like hey guys, we're coming back. They went back. They landed mission successful. Russia's didn't win, so Serga gets on his radio. Serga gets on his radio goes and he goes on that frequency. Nothing is just static, so he starts making call signs on it and everything, trying to see if he can catch someone. Yeah doesn't catch anyone. 26:39 and every night this becomes like his hobby. They've got tasks. They've got jobs to do all day. They have to also because they're long enough doing like what they do on lost where he's just punching the numbers kind of yeah. He wakes up every day. He does his workout because they have to do workouts or else they atrophy. Have you seen he does his workouts? He does a job chronological. I saw that that's like a thing that someone's doing that sounds like that would probably be awful. Yeah, 27:02 Because like what they're doing is they've taken the flashbacks that they had during loss and they just made it all in order of the events that took place. So you see the flashbacks and stuff before you see them on the island. So there's no suspense. By the time they get to the island, you know all the stuff that they're doing. Yeah, which sounds awful. Does sound awful, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. I feel like that's the wrong way to watch that show. I agree. Anyways. The right way is to just not watch it. So he. 27:32 is getting on that frequency, doing his little call signs every night and then one night he's floating over Australia and he does his call signs and he gets a response you crikey and there's a lady there who's a ham radio enthusiast. She's a high school science teacher. Oh and she likes teacher. She just thought he was about to be talking to a high schooler high school science teacher. She likes ham radio and it's like our her hobby. She also knows rudimentary 28:01 Russian. And so they start talking and she's like, Oh hey, you're one of the Russians up on the mirror space station. Right. And he's like, yeah, how'd you know? And he said, I can, she's like, I feel like I can tell by the voice, I speak a little bit of Russian and I picked up from what, you know, whatever. And she's like, she's like, well, how's it going or whatever, you know, they're chit chat and they kind of are building like a pin pal relationship ish and then something, you walk in 28:27 and this in one of the people in the space station is talking to a woman in Australia on the phone and you're walking on. I was like what he's like nothing just just I'll call you back. I'm just on my ham radio. Yeah, it's a little strange, but they're they're developing a little bit of a so how often they talking pretty much every night and this is ham radio. This is kind of like it's it's it's similar to like I am 28:56 in like the 2000s. It's weird. Oh my gosh. 29:13 What do you do in Australia? It wasn't anything like that. Maybe when I get back, we can go to an opera. An opera? At the opera house, Sydney Opera House. Oh, okay, okay. I thought you thought that was a Russian thing. We cultured for a second. 29:25 me when I get back. We can go to an opera or I have the AMC movie pass, so they're talking Australian movie company. He starts getting like it starts becoming harder for him to get contact with mission control, and so he starts thinking maybe something's up with his relationship with control, and I should be clear. Hey, are you guys ignoring? Are you guys? Are you guys just passive aggressive and like now we're good 29:55 is something wrong. Are you okay? Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. I we know you've been talking to Australia Houston. We have a problem. No, we don't. No, we don't. First of all, don't call me Houston. Second of all, yeah, Moscow, Moscow, so he knows the political situation in Soviet Russia is not great right now right, right, right, right, about a year before he left. This happened, which was 30:21 yeah, the biggest concert so we at Russia had ever seen a chapel rone. There was a parliament election that was like the most democratic election that they've ever ever seen right and it like changed the face of the government and things were shaking up in the Soviet Union. Yeah and there was some of the some of the like outer states were being like hey, we kind of want to be our own thing right and there was like a lot of tension rising when he left. 30:49 And he started to kind of gather that something was up while he was in orbit because his contact with the command center was becoming more and more limited. They weren't sharing everything with him, but he felt like something was happening that they weren't telling him. So he gets on his ham radio and his ham radio friend starts becoming his like unbiased news source to be like, here's what's happening on the ground while you're in space. And so 31:18 long story short, he is he leaves in May of 1913. He's supposed to be there till March of 19 when oh sorry 1991. He leaves in May of 1991. He's supposed to be there or May of 1989, May of 1991, May of 1991. Yes, sorry, when he leaves is when he leaves. Yes, so just before he left in January, there was a group in 31:49 Lithuania, Lithuania. It was like an actual Lithuania. Yeah, an actual like armed combat with tanks and they played caps. Yeah. And so the situation is like hot at this point. Yeah, while he's in space, things continue to get more and more intense. 32:13 There is in June 1991, there's an election and Boris Yeltsin is elected president of the Russian Federation, which is interesting because now there's the Soviet Union and then there's like this Russian Federation needs it. And then in August of 91, there is a coup against Gorbachev that takes place in Moscow. And then there's this famous moment where Boris Yeltsin gets up on top of a tank and like delivers this speech. 32:41 So Boris is the guy with the paper he's reading from his paper right and it gives a speech basically being like hey, we shouldn't do this. This isn't cool guys and then all of a sudden the soviet government sends in tanks, yeah brings tanks down to red square, which is essentially their equivalent of the capital building and the white house and stuff like that. Right. This is developing very quickly, so he's hearing all this through this 33:10 this ham radio from this person from this Australian and slowly but surely his contact starts to diminish with mission control mission control. Finally, in December of ninety one Gorbachev announces that he is stepping down and he's no longer going to be head of the Soviet Union and pretty quickly the Soviet Union just collapses right. 33:39 He's getting all this, finding out all of this while he's in space. Okay. And so he gets a call from mission command after all this happens and they straight up tell him, Hey, we don't know when we can get you back because now the command center is not part of the Russian Federation after the Soviet union, right? It's in a different nation and that nation and Russia are not on good terms. Right. And so they don't have a facility they can bring you back to. Also, they don't have any money. 34:08 Yeah, because the whole thing collapsed. So he expected to come home in March, but they were of 92 of 92, but they were like, there's no way that's going to happen. Somehow through a stroke of luck, there was a someone passing by. There was just a was a ham head. It was like, hey, I'm actually going there. He just stuck his thumb out the space station and put 34:37 earth or bust yeah yeah yeah. There was a German sponsorship. I was like hey, we want to go. We're going to pay twenty five million dollars to go up to space. He's a cute. He with you. Yeah, they show up thinking the space station is empty. He's still there. Yeah, right. He's a big beard. He's it's and he's just saying the ham radio numbers. We'll say, you know 35:06 There was no one on ham radio. Oh yeah, he's talking to himself. That's what yeah, and he's like he's like is the soviet russia still alive and they're like yes, is my host ral is my australian girl hot or no way she's hot. He's tell me so they send out this trip. He's actually able to finally come back. Okay, he ends up. He was expected to be up there for I don't know what it was gonna be like sixty days. He comes back after three hundred and eleven 35:34 his body is completely as a feed. They have to like yank him from the ship. He can't move and he comes back and he is described by he looks pale. Hey, he's described by like witnesses and reporters on the scene when he returns okay as being pale as flower yeah and they rehabilitate him. He ends up 36:04 deciding I still want to do stuff like this despite being trapped in space for three hundred and eleven days. Well, yeah, because I mean like what else are you going to do? You can't take that resume somewhere and they go. What's the can you explain this gap in your resume? Oh, I was stuck in the base. Yeah, I believe all of my country. I believe that yeah, so he was lost in space essentially for three hundred eleven days that everyone calls him the last Soviet. He has in provisions up there. I guess I mean, he's a people who went with them 36:34 they I don't know. Actually, I think in October, so in October of that previous year, there was an opportunity for him to come back, but the issue was well, the issue was on that trip. They didn't have another engineer, and so there would be no one. Is he by there? Though he was, he wasn't by himself the whole time, but in October they didn't have another engineer to take his place, and so basically he would be going back and leaving it without an engineer to man base, and so because of that he he weighed his options and was like hey, 37:04 even though it looks like Soviet Russia is in a really bad spot. It is in October. It hasn't collapsed yet right. He's like it looks like it's in a really bad spot. He's like I want to keep this space station alive. I want to be able to man it and then if another ship comes back, there's no one to go back with it. This causes a lot of problems. If I go back on this next ship sure, she's like I want to, but he's gonna stay yeah, and so he ends up staying. I believe he was the only one up there and then Soviet Union collapses and he stays up there for four months after the collapse of the Soviet Union by himself in space. 37:33 with very limited contact to the ground except for this Australian person who's talking to on ham radio. Yeah, that's a romcom in the making. And so yeah, he gets called the last Soviet because he was the last so he comes out with his Soviet passion. She literally couldn't find any love on earth. So she went to space. 38:01 Yeah, and she found she found her dream man floating. She it would be called speaking to the stars. 38:12 The fault in our stars. I'm trying to think if we can make a rom out of this, you could easily. Yeah, this easily is a rom cop. You're right. You're right. Every night her being like, all right, you still up there and he doesn't answer one day and it's like super surgaire on board the shit. The Oh gosh. Yeah. So much drama fire. She has to come save him. So she shows a rock outside, try to jump 38:39 because she's dumb. She's like she's kind of dumb. It's a drapily like I can get there. She's just like ah she's never seen how far away spaces. You know she's got a dumb and I was thinking like in the outback building her own makeshift rock. She opens it. So if it's a cartoon she can open her roof right if it's a cart, you know if it's anything's possible in animation. You know 39:05 that seeds a card to the rest of its live action, but that one scene becomes a cartoon, or to any card to just so a different movie that looked like a beat the Robinsons kind of cartoon. You're like what the heck just happened here. What was that part in the middle was weird? They changed quite a bit, but yeah here she goes up. She saves the day that she goes back without home. Yeah, like the movie on M radio. I saved 39:34 and he's like yeah. I mean to I wish you brought me back with you yeah. I didn't think that when I built my return ship with one he was only one seat yeah. I did have a trunk that I didn't bring any care. I could she puts him in the seat, sends it back to earth. Now she's out there stuck and he has and he's like but he's a better engineer yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah not as good a movie the way around yeah yeah yeah yeah right please don't 40:01 but he doesn't get enough rocket fuel. So it's a frac is like uses a trampoline just vault. Yeah, yeah, there's it's a serious flappy bird just series of trampolines. Yeah, you Babylon Tower is insane, so that's sargay the last soviet. Oh, that was it. Yeah, that's the last soviet. Oh wow, he made it back, but the soviet soviet russia didn't so we russia did not make it back, but honestly lately 40:30 It kind of seems like they did. Is that what you want to end it on? I don't know you want to end it on seems like they're back baby. I'm not saying it's like they're back baby. We're so bad saying it like I'm saying it like the villain is back in the second movie where it's like oh, I thought he died. Well, you know that Putin is in the song. What yeah, you know the Putin's referenced in our God is an awesome God. Oh, he wasn't putting on the Ritz. 41:00 God is an awesome guy. He's got thunder in his footsteps and lightning. That makes a lot of sense. It was time to fiddle off. Putin on the Ritz. 41:22 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it and you want more till and make sure you subscribe and also there's an episode called Dear Moon, which is about a project that a billionaire was trying to take a bunch of artists to the dark side of the moon because he thought that would inspire some new art among the amazing artists that he was like. Okay, these are the most creative visionary people in our society was none other than Steve Aoki. So it's a great episode. 41:45 Thank you for checking out our show. I think you'd enjoy that's linked somewhere or whatever But we'll see you next week for another episode of things I learned last night


Imagine being stuck in space while your country falls apart. This happened to Sergei Krikalev, a Russian cosmonaut, during one of the most dramatic times in history. This blog will take you through his incredible journey and how he became known as “the last Soviet.” We’ll also look at how this compares to the current situation with the Boeing space … Read More

The Best TV Show That Didn’t Exist

08-27-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 Okay, so you get picked to be on a game show where you can win a hundred thousand dollars, but there's one problem and it said that the game show doesn't exist. Yeah, that's pretty much what happened on today's episode. The greatest show it never made. It was a game show, but it didn't actually exist. It was a scam. It was all a big scam. Could you imagine like if you get picked, you go through the whole process like if I got a big brother, yeah made it the whole three months and at the end they were just like just kidding. 00:23 that's that's pretty much what this bus. This is things I learned last night, a comedy podcast where every week we learn about an interesting topic and this week's topic is Nikita Russian and his game show that almost could. So let's jump into the episode. 00:38 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Nikita Russian Nikita Russian Nikita Russian? Is this a phone? He also no he also goes by Nick Russian. Here's a picture of him. Here's a picture of him zoomed in a little bit. Okay, I don't know who this is Nikita Russian or Nick Russian. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you look up Nikita Russian on the internet, 01:08 Yeah and like Google on sure find him on Wikipedia. Sure, what you're going to find is he's going to be called con con con Nick Russian con con co n like dot ceo in no Nick Russian con. I don't know how I can make this more clear. It says Nick and then the next word says Russian and then the next word says con okay like con man 01:35 it's right, but I didn't know if it was like parentheses con like no, no, no, no, it's just Nick Russian con sure like a sentence, but without the other parts that make it a sentence, maybe a free if you okay, Nick Russian, but here's the thing. Here's the thing you find the stuff. It's his con yeah. We're going to talk about this. I don't know if that's accurate, so I want you to keep an open mind. 02:02 Okay, that's what I'm asking is con a name in this or is it saying no, no, no, no, they're saying people Nick Russian is the name they're saying he's the Nick Russian con yeah. Well, no, it's not the Nick Russian con. It's just Nick Russian con okay yeah. 02:22 yes, didn't do it. All we did was take sips of our competing brands of energy drinks to see which one will sponsor us first. We're running a test right now to see which one gives us the most 02:42 it's not a Mick Ultra dude. We talk about bag bag baby. All right, so Nick Russian. Here's the deal he's he lives in the old UK. You got right. If you manager says I had to post more stuff about this, so we just trying to make it natural. 03:01 For the thumbnail, where I go. 03:06 Is this their brand? This is what presidents do with a baby trying to get sponsored by that baby. 03:18 the Gerber baby is the deciding vote. The Gerber baby sees its shadow. Joe Biden wins he's not even running doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That's how I don't make the rules. So the question is a I don't make the rules. The baby does he make the baby doesn't understand why Joe Biden dropped out. He doesn't get it. Yeah, we've tried to explain it to him yeah, but he's a baby baby. It's very difficult. 03:45 to get the point across the system is people think they like to roll college is like complicated and stuff. It's just the girl for baby, the carper baby gets to pick really what it is. You can't change it in the middle. We put two pictures next to each other. Yeah, they go yeah. 04:05 but he starts at the beginning of the whole campaign because it's they're far apart. They're like miles apart. If you can't change, you can't change that way through or else. I mean he's going to do three miles in. It's like the tour and then it's like is he turning or no, no looks like yeah, it's insane America. The system doesn't make sense, but it's been working 04:34 It's the great experiment anyway, Nick Russian, Nick Russian, not Russian. He's British, okay, Russians, a name Russian is his name, Nick Nikita, Russian name goes by Nick for sure. Con is not a part of the nature, sure, sure, sure. So he was a aspiring TV producer in the early two thousands. Okay, he had the dream. He had his dream 05:02 to get into reality TV reality TV is just popping off. Survivor is huge. Big Brother is huge yes and you're starting to see things like like real world is taking off. Stuff like that is interring the zeitgeist a point of real world, nothing. It was real world. It was like the first like Jersey Shore. That's what I thought because yeah you were just there was no game. It was just no. It was just this group of twenty somethings living in the real world. 05:30 that's the concept yeah, and you just follow their life for a summer or something like sure like summer house got or jersey shore, jersey shore. I forgot that one or van or pump rolls or whatever MTV shows existed. Did you watch next next was a mess? Listen, this is going to scratch the itch for some millennials yeah. 05:54 next next parental control room raters room raters shoot and then Robin Big. You can't forget Robin Big. Yeah, I was a good one. Yeah, that was a that was supposed to be a buddy comedy and they sat down to film the buddy comedy and the the foot at the behind the scenes footage that they got was better was better and they were like. Let's just make it a reality show yeah and so then, but I mean like all the reality shows there was scenes and stuff, but for sure yeah anyways, so Nick, Nick Russians watching this 06:24 the the boom of of reality TV take off made yeah. Oh, that was a reset for that. I didn't sign up for that. Did you send up for that 06:35 no. I only signed up for catfish because you thought you were being catfish or you wanted to be one. Oh, I signed up because I was like having catfish in this girl and I need. I need to be exposed or I'll never stop. I can't. I can't get. I'm in too deep. I can't tell the truth. Stop. I need to get caught. I have to get caught. I'm desperate to yeah. Please catch me. No, I did I 07:04 I did sign up for made and 07:12 I did because I well, if you don't know the purpose of the show made was like if you would sign up and you'd be like it be usually like a fat kid who's like I want to be a body builder and so they would send a body builder to his town yeah and you would work with a body builder for three whole weeks enough time to get fit yeah and then they would make that kid who's still fat. It's only been three weeks of training. That's not like make that kid. I remember this episode. 07:37 very vividly yeah is that that kid had to compete in a body building contest. Yeah, and it was a thing about like how he's gained confidence and stuff. Yeah he was not in a mean way still fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, should not have compete right. Yeah 07:54 yeah, but was doing all the poses and all the stuff and was like yeah. I really gained a confidence and he helped me see that it wasn't about what my body looked like in the inside, but what about who I looked like on the inside? You know, it was like okay anyway, so I sent him for made because then I signed up to be a comedian. Oh really? It was like two thousand nine. It's so interesting to me and you had to put like who the celebrities you wanted to work with were and I put Dane Cook, so well he was the biggest of the time. So that's not yeah, that's not yeah surprising yeah 08:24 it'd be like someone putting Matt right now. It's pretty similar actually a six months ago, six months ago, six months ago for sure, a for sure. Yeah, I told you I went and spoke in my high school to the drama classes of my high school yeah, and I did like four classes where they just came in. They got to ask me questions because I'm a person who works in sometimes. I make fun of my wife for this because she's a theater degree, and I go yeah, but I work in theater 08:54 she didn't like that joke, but my drama class. I came and spoke to my high school, my high school yeah and the first question every single class asked every single class yeah raises her hands. Yeah, but do you know Matt right every single class and you got to say and by the f I started to be like yeah yeah, I do you met him though. I have open for him yeah, but not before he was so you could say yeah. 09:22 I was like can say yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we're bros yeah you see this trophy. That was mine. We gave him that you can't tell, but so Nick Russian Nick Russian has dreams of starting his own reality TV right right right not made not not any not. It was 09:45 It was a game show, reality game show, but like like competent long term competition show like Big Brother or survive. Okay, yeah, he's calling it project ms to so he goes and he takes out an ad in the paper and in this ad it says want to win a hundred thousand dollars. So great, great. Well, I should say it says where is he at the UK? Okay, so it wasn't a hundred thousand dollars. It was a hundred thousand whatever you case. We're in the UK 10:15 London sure I can't name another place. Sure, no, I do know that I do know that eventually we end up in London, so I guess he he had to take it across. Yeah, he had to post it across all of them. I don't know what their L. Is it London London is yeah. You know what I saw the other day. I don't know if this is true, so might be misinformation great. We're just going to throw it out there as if it's true, please if if 10:45 UK of the UK was a state. Do you know where it would rank as an economy along the fifty states? Take a guess forty seven close actually really close yeah forty nine really yeah, forty nine blow it for sure. It sucks to be so bad dude. It really does unfortunate yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah a fun thing. I know that one did yeah. What do you know about London? 11:15 tell me what you know about London. Did you know that London yeah is smaller in square mileage than Springfield, Missouri? Did you know that sure that's Paris? No, I'm pretty sure it was Paris that that was stat was no it's a London. Are you sure it was London? I'm a hundred percent because London has like almost the amount of people that Los Angeles has yeah, but it's crammed into the square mileage of Springfield that 11:44 Okay, so he puts up these these. I heard that somewhere shut up. He put it out in the paper and this ad was like hey, we're doing a game show yeah project in us to be a part of it come to these auditions there. You there's a potential for you to win a hundred thousand dollars. If you participate in this okay, so puts this ad out bunch of people show up and they show up to this. It's like a it's almost like a wedding venue. It's like an event space you rent, but it's like 12:13 really nice and Ritzy. Okay, there's a camera crew there. There's all these like is Ritz catered a reference to the risk Carlton. I think Ritz was a word before the Ritz Carlton like I think Ritz Carlton made that part of their thing because there's that song from the nineties where it's on the Ritz. Yeah God wasn't joking. Was it putting on the Ritz? Our God isn't awesome. 12:37 I don't think that's the lyrics he's putting on the Ritz. He was for sure that is not the lyrics. Is he putting on the Ritz? Yes, 12:54 Our God isn't here either. 13:01 he was not putting on the Ritz dude. What are you talking about that's not in the on the Ritz? No, he wasn't. You think our God is an awesome God because he was cool. I swear on my life. This is a new Mandela effect. I swear he said he wasn't our God wasn't joking wasn't put on the Ritz here. I got a God was a what 13:28 our God wasn't joking, wasn't putting on the reds, our God wasn't putting on the Ritz, our God wasn't joking, wasn't putting on the Ritz. Our God is an awesome. God, you think no 13:45 I swear on my life that this was a thing and now I'm losing my mind. Oh here it is okay. Okay, so you just type in a chat when he runs when he rolls up his sleeves, he ain't just putting on the rates. Our God is an awesome God. 14:03 there's a thunder in his foot. He ain't just putting on the ritz out. God is an awesome guy. There's thunder in his yes steps and lightning in his fist. I'm not crazy. How crazy is it to be like our God loves everyone and is just really compassionate and carrying it also there's thunder in his footsteps and lightning in his fists. What is he thinking? I thought I was insane for a second. Mike Tyson over here in the lyrics at all. 14:32 I was losing it. Okay, so God wasn't put on the Ritz, but Nick was. And so he had the set up and there was like catering, there was a film crew and he was doing interviews with everyone that was there to see if they'd be a good fit for the show. He's solely casting this thing. Yeah. So he's casting it, but no, he's there's like a crew. There's a director on set. So the director is interviewing as well. Okay. And then there is, which I'll show you. I don't have a video, a picture of the director when he's young, so I can show you the director later when he's old. 15:01 yeah, that's the I can have my eyes to be like to be like. That's what he would look like. All right, I can figure it out and so and then there was a psychologist there that was like interviewing them and seeing if they were like psychologically fit to be on the show sure, and so he interviews all these people. I wouldn't pass on they'd be like. Why'd you take those antidepressants? They be like. Are you allowed to be a pile of the FAA says no so to CBS 15:33 I didn't say no, by the way, the F a said you need to get a fa doctors. They were like hold on a said side this get your parents to sign this. My dad says I can fly this plane. Excuse me, I said my dad not get on the okay my dad says so you're forty. You can't talk like that anymore. Okay, 16:03 stupid, so he's got like a whole like he's he's casting this yeah he's casting and so they're asking call yeah yes yeah they're asking he's asking on the questions he's saying okay we're going to whittle it down to thirty people and so then does the interviews does all the thing everybody goes home and they're like anxiously waiting to find out am I going to be a part of this they are they have visions of big brother they have visions of survivor and this was a time to where I do think you need to acknowledge nowadays 16:33 these sort of shows have changed where now, if you're watching this show, these people are already social media influencers that they put on the show back then casting like knows certain people that they want to put on a thing yeah back then people who would get on these shows were literally nobodies and it would jump start their career. These people would become famous for being on these shows right now. It's inverted and so this was all these people a most why I think I have a better shot of getting on Big Brother now yeah, because you're already famous. 17:07 a big brother. Do you guys have any interest in someone that homeschoolers know about? Yeah, what's your homeschooler audience like? Because I can bring them. They're not going to like all the show manses and shirtless people on the show though, so this season would have been perfect for him to love pentagon. There's like no oh yeah, they're all over crazy so 17:30 So if you're not in a big brother, this is this is a season to jump in on because you know, usually we have to wait like two months for people to really lose their minds, but episode for immediately episode for really brought it on is great yeah watch it stream. We're watching peacock. When does episode come out? No, it's paramount plus when is a paramount plus this episode. This episode comes out soon. This will come out August twenty seventh. Oh shoot. 17:57 Never mind then have it back to school week. 18:05 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time, so 18:32 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 18:49 they all are going on. I'm a Disney right now. If you're listening to this just know that like because when all the kids go out to school, Disney is a paradise dude yeah yeah yeah it's awesome okay, the so the people who come out into a whole tangent people where you spend a two minutes. We don't think we got all the stuff we got. I go. Disney is great when kids are gone and you're like 19:17 Whatever dude. 19:21 okay, go on. So the people that this tracks to the casting call are people who think this is going to be their break back. They're people who want to be famous for stuff right. Maybe don't have a lot of talent, maybe have some talent, but they want to be famous and so this is kind of a dream. I'm trying to think anybody who's famous from well. I mean I get I mean, are there people who got famous from these shows that we would still know about now? You know 19:49 I don't know like there was the wave of American Idol winners yeah American I was for sure Kelly Clarkson yeah, but then Ruben you didn't hear from Ruben at all yeah. Who knows what he's up to? I mean I bet he's toying still. I doubt it. What's his last name? Sten and remember to her Susan Boyle? Yes, Oh Ruben's dead. Is he really? I'm kidding. Oh shoot 20:16 No, he's still torn. Oh, is he really yeah? Okay, he's got a good sandwich, but you're a Susan Boyle. Yes, he's like she became famous for being ugly. People were just like people like oh my she was also a really good singer. Yeah, but be a water. They were like oh my 20:38 like that's why she went viral like you would never expect that to sound good. You're like that's a nice. Well, that was it was became famous and she was bullying. If she was a bad, she got bullied into fame. It's wild. If she was a bad singer, she would have just been like that just a bash in the pan like like what I don't know the man. Yeah, that guy he had a splash in the moment. He still does cameos. We'll buy one for the end of this episode. 21:07 he can do our fiddle off 21:12 or a hundred percent spending money on that. It's a layer. It's okay, so I remember we're at Nick. People want to become people want to become famous, so they're auditioning for this people that draws yeah yeah, so we're people. He knows it down to thirty people, reaches out to all of them and says congratulations. You've been selected and sends them a beefy contract and the contract outlines what they can wear every day, right, the things that they're allowed to talk about and kind of gives a 21:41 early understanding of what the show is going to be okay, and basically the nature of the show is they're going to be split into teams of ten. There's going to be three teams of ten that are going to be facing off against each other in London over the course of a year and each team needs to raise a million dollars and that's what they what they're told and the pay it for a hundred thousand dollars yeah, and so the winners, oh which split the million, they split it ten ways and everyone takes and his thought is okay. 22:10 so your thought is you have three teams yeah if if one team reaches a million dollars, team two reaches seven hundred thousand team three reaches five hundred thousand, then you're at a one point two million dollar profit. I don't know if that's the idea. I mean if I looking at this as a con that's probably the idea. I don't think that's the case in this scenario, though sure so, but I'm just seeing a like. Oh, I can yeah 22:40 yeah just that layout. I go. I understand the con so is pretty good. 22:50 pretty good God. I need thirty people to try to make a milk and then they each split the winning team. The other two teams get nothing yeah. The winning team is a split. Let's say they all three reach a million dollars yeah, but it's whoever did it first yeah. Whoever gets their first sorry guys. I get two million dollars while all get of you get pretty good yeah yeah well, so and it's going to be a year, so he tells them all 23:19 you need to figure out housing. You need to figure out your jobs. You need to figure out what I'm saying. When I say figure out, they need to figure out the fact that you're not going to be able to pay rent for a year. You're going to you're not going to work for a year. You're leaving a house. Yeah, you're going to be in London for a year doing this, and so you need to make arrangements with your personal life before this date and then show up at your divorces. The eyes your 23:48 whatever you need to do, take care of it now because you're going to be gone for a year, you know, and so all these people that's like the people who did the nine month cruise. You remember the nine month cruise thing that's still going on even by the time that this episode comes they're still on it. That's the thing they at the time of recording have thirty three days left yeah yeah, which is insane by the time this comes out. They will have twenty days. That's such a long time. 24:17 to do one thing. Yeah, I told Reagan. I said as of yesterday. Yesterday was our nine months in Los Angeles, cheese and that's how long they've been. That's how long they've been on the freaking boat dude. Can you imagine being on a boat that long? I love the videos. They're all tired of it. They're also so they've got to be yeah, and so these people, these people trusted this. They started making them rangers because because at the at the casting call while they were there, Nikita comes out and kind of 24:46 presents the show to them and in the cast and call he said hey weave. What was he calling the show? It's project ms to that's right and he's like he's like hey, CBS is running this channel for is going to run this show. It's sponsored by Richard Branson is sponsoring the sure he's cash flow in it and so like they hear all this stuff. They believe this is pretty legitimate and it's the boom of reality TV. 25:15 and so they they told they're told shop in London on this date bring whatever you need for a year. Take, pay baby okay, I think turn and then full audible it back into this. You went to you went and then came back and went bro amateur hour dude. We've been doing this for like seven years. 25:44 it's the bang man. We've been doing this for seven years again, so hard to do some this long. Can you imagine doing something to imagine doing for seven years, seven to make twelve dollars? 26:01 Okay, so he he gives them the date. The thirty people make arrangements. They work on some they sell homes, they cancel rents, they they quit their jobs. They sign a contract though yeah. They sign this contract and they even some of them even a little off relationships. Yeah yeah and could you imagine 26:26 you, your girl, your day, you talk about something to grab coffee tomorrow. Yeah, you're like yeah sure, and then the well, I'll just meet you there. Okay, that's a red flat. If you're in a relationship yeah for a while and they go, I'll meet you there at a broken up with yeah yeah say actually I think I'm busy. Let's just we'll drive separate. Oh no sorry, I'm sorry. I've got other things I died. 26:52 I think I'm dead. Actually, I can try next week. This is this is easier if I just die. It's easier on me. If you don't get a chance to dump me, I'm bringing up now. That's the problem is that my wife would just like you should meet there. No, I'm breaking up. No, I'm gonna do it. What here's the papers. I got signed and everything. I wanted to drive, sign and everything. You've got pre signed divorce papers 27:20 yeah, I've been signing for you for years anyways, so I might as well sign for you on this light fraud. Okay, so these people show up to the I'm saying they legally can hold him to certain things because they've got this contract legally in theory. So they show up to this location in London. It's a park. They get there and nobody's there. It's raining and they have their bags. There's on and thirty people 27:48 trickle in. They see the thirty of them, but there's no camera cruise one to okay. This is no like hey. Are you here for the reality TV show and this is and everyone's kind of excited, but it's raining thirty kids waiting on their dad to come home standing in the rain, the rain and they're like they're like maybe this is and someone's like maybe this part of the show. Maybe this is like the first challenge, but there's like hitting cameras and so they're like kind of like and they're like oh interested and then how long do you wait? How long did they wait? 28:17 well, they're there for a little while, like I don't think this is part of the show. This is this, so they wait for a little while and then out of the bushes comes the key to Russian. He didn't go out of the bushes. He just came from another part of the park walks up. Oh for real, he did show up and he walks up and like oh hey, there's the producer and he goes 28:44 Welcome Hello my children to Project M S R 28:56 project in to our ms to a master to project asmr in. 29:06 ass. What is it? No sign language confidently knows the comes out. He goes the m realizes he doesn't know the s welcome to project 29:27 Yes, to do and I just like now Gavin. 29:41 he got Kevin Hart to come do a set in the park. It was a scene trustworthy. We spent all of your money on this okay, so he does show up yeah, so he split how long so he's there. They've been waiting. I don't know forty five minutes, but not long three groups and the three groups there at the park there at the park. That's how the park you guys go over there. This is just you guys go over there yeah and then so then he talks to them one to one one to ten in each group. 30:10 and basically dumps on them. Oh hey, this is a little different now. He says one of you is going to have to be the camera man and so Blair, which style yeah, so pick pick out one of you who you think is the best suited to be the camera man and then also you guys had to operate this boom mic. Well, he said he said also by the way you need to also come up with where you're going to live and what you're going to eat. 30:40 all of that is not provided for you. That's part of the show. You need to. You need to figure out shelter and food and water and all your essentials as well as a team. So they pretty pretty much tells them hey, welcome to London. You're homeless now. Good luck and again, that's what those flights of migrants are. What you know how you know how we're on to sandis keys flying people from the border. Different trying to start in he's just like 31:11 he's like project them as three yeah and you're like. Was this what you're doing? He goes three you can't do the figures don't been right yeah, so they all of a sudden find out oh okay. So now everything's also on us now. I did say in the contract that food and shelter was provided 31:38 right, so they're like. Oh, this is not exactly what you said anymore. Be so man, they were like where's the director and he's like the director is not here. He's like I, I you actually can call me the direct yeah. It be sweet. If you call me direct, it'd be really cool. I'd be really excited if you call me the director. I have his little chair yeah. I'll be bringing it around when you're doing stuff. You'll see me. He's just in the distance all over London, watching them, two of the groups hear this news and they they're outraged. 32:06 and they immediately go home. They're like twenty people yeah, two groups were like this is ridiculous. They're like one group of ten is like two groups down like they're like we've got they're like we got the contract like two whole threating or like ten people total stay, because I could imagine like two people from each from one group stayed and then you know two whole groups together had the conversation and we're like this is you lied to us. We have a contract. We're going to take legal action. We're going home 32:36 Yeah, and so they threaten the legal action. They get out of there. The other group has no idea that this happened. Hey, what I get we can drive together if you want to so I'm coming home tomorrow. No, I didn't win. I'm really sorry for all the stuff I said about your mom and and you doing tomorrow. Yeah, you free 33:06 Pick me up from the airport. 33:11 right, so twenty people leave yeah the other ten. They don't know that that happened though they they don't know that the other see them leave the like shoot guys is the game is going. We got to go yeah and so and they're like pushing them like the people who are left. They're like like I'm going to beat you and they're like all right, whatever you're doing. I don't know, so these people they think okay. This is messed up. We don't think that this is legit, but at the same time we've already committed. Let's just give it a shot. Yeah, I already so as my dog, 33:39 right. So there's a guy named Tim and I'm going to show you a picture of Tim. This is a picture of Tim now. Okay, so this is Tim. I can picture really younger. This is not the director. This is one of the group people in the group of ten right. Based on this picture, I want you to say I can picture what he looks like younger. Okay, good happy. Based on this picture, I want you to take a guess on what this guy's career is based on this picture. What do you think he does for a living? I think you can get it. I really genuinely think you can get this 34:09 Is he in his space where he does this thing? No, okay, no. I mean he might have done this there before. I don't know, but the space won't give you any what he does for a living now. Well, he's done it since then, so since the early two thousands when this was filmed, he was he was pursuing this career as well. Okay, 34:28 you think I can get this? I think you could genuinely based on this photo. Guess what he does? Oh geez, okay, is he a hairdresser? That's close. No, it's not. What does he do? 34:44 he's a cloud. He's a full he's a full blown clown. He's for audio listeners. He's a clown. He is a cloud like a literal cloud, full blown cloud. He's like an actual like a part, not like a halfway clown. He's full that's a full clown red nose and everything. So okay, look at that picture. You can't tell me the base of that picture. Now that you know you're like that is a pretty clown way to talk. No I think I would have guessed it 35:14 I don't think I would have guessed it at all. You thought I was gonna look at that picture and go that's a that's a I genuinely did. I genuinely I genuinely thought you'd see that I wanted to be a rodeo clown when I was younger really yeah. I never been to a rodeo 35:33 just thought it looked cool. Is that rodeo clouds were sick bro or way braver than the bullfighters? So here I do have here we go okay. Here's a picture of him when he was younger at the time, and so he was the only person and he was a clown. Then he was a clown then too yeah okay, so he was the only person in this group of ten that actually lived in London. 35:58 and so he's like guys. We can all go stay at my flat. That's a London thing. They say that instead of apartment is a you guys can just come home with me. Yeah, he's like he's like we can go stay at my flat and figure out our game plan and he's like he's like also. I do have a video camera. I could be our cameraman and so ten is like volunteering to like you know sure take charge, take advantage of the situation. I just need a percentage from each of you when we win. Yeah, just give me twenty percent of your winnings 36:27 of each of your that's extra twenty grand right. That's the way to play that each though. If everybody gives you if every person gave you to everyone gives you twenty percent. Oh, that's the way to play this game. See that's that's that's why man you should be in big brother. So he becomes the camera man here. He is with one of the other contestants back at his flat. Yeah, I don't know what she's doing. She grew to be that old lady in Shutter Island. You know that goes 36:59 you know, so they go back to the flat. They start putting together a plan, a game plan of what they're going to do back to his. This is his apartment, his flat. What's the artwork back there? I think that's bugs bunny playing the trumpet. That sort of looked like to and so everybody goes back to a clown. Yeah, everybody goes back to his apartment. They start game planning what they're doing. This group of ten is like hey, this is a little messed up. We don't know what's going on here, but 37:26 we're going to give it a shot. We're here. It looks like the other people went to go take action. So we're going to take action and we're going to put together a plan of how we're going to play this game in that process. Whenever they were at the park, Nikita was like, oh, by the way, there's a new contract. Sign it tonight and I'll come by and pick it up. And so they go home. They start looking at the contract. Things are tweaked a bit like you're not going to get any food. You got to get your own food. You're not going to get any shelter. You got to get your own shelter, things like that. 37:54 So there's been some changes now like oh, that's weird that you prize money still the same prize money still the same, but it's a little bit more clear now that it's like you're earning this hundred grand and the concept for the show is your under cover billionaire. Yeah, that's the show. The show is we're going to go out. We're going to raise this money, but it's right to figure out how to become yeah. If you haven't seen undercover billionaire, undercover billionaire is a show where they took great 38:20 first season they found the only good billion. Well, it was his idea for the show yeah, and so he's genuinely honestly might be the great guy, the only good billionaire yeah and the concept was you get dropped into the city you've never been to before, usually a smaller city you a hundred dollars cash yep and you have a phone with no contacts like a flip phone with no contacts and truck, a pick up truck, pick up truck and you just have to you have what was it thirty days? No is ninety ninety days 38:47 to start a company that was worth a million dollars. Yeah, he didn't make a million dollars, but the company had to be valued out a million dollars. Yeah, yeah, and then ninety days to do it great first season. Second season was also entertaining, but they were normal billion. They were normal billionaires who were a sucked bad. They sucked who were just like yeah. You're like oh my gosh dude. Every time they talked, you'd be like so they 39:15 the then one of them is a pretty recognizable figure yeah, and so we are pretty sure pretty sure that the help he got from like there was a local dealer there like a car dealer guy yeah who like really kind of helped to get his business started and invested in him. Yeah, we're we're ninety percent sure that that guy recognized just new and was just like yeah dude play this game for sure. I'll work with you. What do you say his name was 39:39 Oh, I don't remember what he said his name was, but I know that that guy like met him out of the blue one day and then as a yeah. Sure he's later gave him like yeah. I'll write you check for ten thousand dollars. I believe in you because I believe it grant card. Don't I mean I'm great card. I don't care. He sucks dude. He's a bad person. He does. He's not going to listen to this yeah. He might know he won't. He likes stuff where people so 40:08 so this shows similar except for these people have no experience making a million dollars right and they're all they're in a bigger city. One of them was a clam. These people literally have no experience making money and they're in a city they've never been. Here's the thing though. If you think about it, ten people to get to a million dollars, you each just got to make a hundred grand in a year. It's not easy right, but it's also not incredibly difficult. 40:36 You know? 40:40 screacard. Oh, like here's a thing yeah, you could, let's hear theory. No keep going could just go get a couple jobs and pull it off in theory. I mean as long as you don't pay taxes yeah, but I guess you're splitting your living ten ways. Like if you're fine living in a place with ten people yeah, my rent with ten people in my apartment, my rent would be two hundred bucks. Yeah it's not bad, not bad and this is two thousand to yeah 41:08 Anyways, so... 41:13 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. So if you want to keep learning stuff, in the Tillon verse. 41:39 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, but I'm Till and Verse, that's the best place to do it. You can go to text tilland to 66866. There's a lot of ways to sign up for going on in the Till and Verse. 42:04 these people are trying to figure out how they're going to they're going to raise money and then the key that comes back to collect the contracts and so it comes back to collect the contracts. You guys, what do we think about you guys doing and and then just doesn't leave and stays the night with them and is a gamus going to sleep over here. Yeah, I bought a sleeping bag too. I'm going to hang out here and they're like that's weird and then it is at the next night and they're like hey 42:29 how long you got to do this because I got to be here to oversee and make sure you guys do this for the full year and like what about the other teams? And he's like you don't need to worry about them. I'll be there to wait, so he's just staying with them. Yeah, so they asked they started asking some more pointed questions. Long story short, the truth comes out that he's homeless and so he needed a place to stay and he chose he was like oh you guys have a place to stay. I'll stay with you wait what and 42:58 what he's doing for work right now is he's working at a bookstore and the show got pushed off for a little bit because he needed to save up a little bit more money, so he was working extra shifts at the bookstore to save up a little bit more money, but he didn't have a place to stay, and so then he was like I'm just going to stay with you guys while we shoot this show got pushed off that got yeah. We pushed it off a little bit, but I'm going to stay with you 43:28 also the director dropped out. That's why he's not here and so did the film crew and Richard Branson and yeah never a part of this Richard. Yeah, I don't know. I never actually said and the person I thought a person who told me she worked at CBS actually worked at CVS and so that really messed up my whole life and so and then the psychologist was actually his girlfriend. 43:57 and then she broke up with me after because she was like you're trying to scam these people yeah and she's I was like what you know and she was like is this why you may miss drive separate here and she was like no you know I just can't stand being around you so I think me and my wife drive separate everywhere. We can't do car rides together. We go out for fancy dinner dates. She sits across the room at a different table 44:23 it's better and then not anywhere in here. You pay the bill for two tables. Yeah, how we how we doing checks? Oh actually you could give it to that guy over there. See that table it's to the sad looking guy over there. Just by himself twenty four. He ordered no table three plates of spaghetti that he's just shoveling over there. Yeah, give the checks to that guy. Hey yeah, this lady said you were going to pay for her. I will 44:50 I will so home. She's got her bedroom door locked. You see with different rooms. Yeah, so they they're outraged. He he reads the room and he leaves for real. It goes so how many days into they go? This is a homeless person who's duped us here for like five days now okay, and so he leaves and they are like well the mission 45:19 still. They're like they're they're kind of peeved at this. Yeah, of course, so they put together a plan. They're like well, you want to be on TV. We're going to get you on TV, so they called I'll be on TV either way. They called London nightly. I think is what the show's called great, which is like there's sixty minutes or whatever yeah and it's like hey, we got a concept for you sure and they're like oh yeah. You do that. They're like tell us about it. This is how they talk on the phone. Hey, I got a concept for you. Oh yeah, 45:50 Oh, do you think there's a person in the operating room with the headset? Oh, that's a great gossip job. That's all they do right. I just feel the all the incoming all the like ooh yeah, spill the tea and they needed they did. Wow yeah, this is an interesting for TV. We don't like this idea. Thanks for telling me about it. I really enjoyed it. 46:17 yeah sorry. This is just the burger king drive through you called when you could walkie talkie into drive throughs. Do you remember that era? You don't you never tried that no, so you could frequency match yeah the drive through and end up on like you could have a walkie talkie that frequency match what they were using for the drive there. That's insane. I don't know you could do that yeah now you can't because now they use like they're it's like a software through a computer that radio yeah, but you should just be radio jees. That's so you could 46:46 walky talky in and you say stuff to the people who drive through that's hilarious. I never tried that much. No, I didn't know you could do. I feel like I missed out now Vernon dude. I would have loved that maybe it was up to date where you were to that maybe because yeah. That was my thing. We did have one of my buddies got one of those like bull horns on his car with the cb radio, so you could yell at people from your car. We see a kid's old time drive by 47:12 yeah. Drive by it. We drive by kids on their bikes and stuff yeah. I remember very specifically. I was riding my bike to my grandma's house and a car pulled off the side of the road like they were going to hit me and then went back. 47:33 We all see this right. It's a funny joke. It's not. It's not funny. It's not fun. It's okay. I was a little as a boy. It's fine. We know we've talked about this. It's funny to threaten people and not follow through 47:53 Hahaha! 48:02 I think so he leaves for a bit. They call the news and the news is like sick. We love this idea and the guys like I've been filming for like five days. I've got all this footage of all this stuff. Yeah, I'm like sweet. Meet us at this location. We're going to do a foot of drop and so they take a box of all the footage they meet him there and while they're gone, Nikita comes back and they're like we need to keep him here and so they're like hey, we change our minds. So yeah, it'd be sweet if you hung out with us. 48:30 we like you like yeah. We think you're really cool. While play monopoly yeah and so they really lock him in the house. They want to let him leave no, no, no, no, you stay here. You stay here. You stay here. Yeah, yeah and the other people show back up and they're like hey, he's back. They're like call him and tell him he's here and they can come do an interview. Hello hey, you're not going to believe this. I probably won't tell me anyway. 48:59 that guy was called earlier about you know what I'm talking about. I got him right here and Nikki Nikki Nikki Nikki. What was his last name Russian? I put down Croatia. I knew it was somewhere over there, so we're over there yeah. Nikki Russia, yeah yeah yeah he's here. We've got him. We've locked him in one of our bedrooms. You guys want to interview him for stuff. No 49:26 call us back if he kills somebody like they're not. Yeah, so they're like yeah, we'll be there tomorrow and so like sweet and so they say you can say that I here yeah. They trap him in house really yeah, because we're so mad at me earlier yeah like hey, we're just really forgiving people well, so they they trap they he's kind of down. It's not like they it wasn't like that. It was like hey, you're staying here staying here. We boarded the door. You can't leave and they're like here's what we think and they like kind of grilled them for a bit. Oh, jees I've like 49:55 we here's everything we gave up to be here. These was this was our dream to do this thing and you took it from us yeah and and so then they lock him so they set up a diary room. I didn't tell you this yet, they set up a diary room in his house like big brother, so they could do their diaries throughout this because they had a moment where they were like we're going to pursue this yeah and then they were like oh, this is something else, but they kept filming everything right, so he they let they track them in the diary room okay and then 50:23 the news comes. They film an interview with him like where is he he's in that back room? I you guys legally done this. This is okay, hold on. We'll take the chains off the door yeah. It takes like twenty minutes like okay. He's not in there. Was he wrapping out the back? They forgot to shut the white, like blowing up the window gasp and they're like 50:53 now this makes good TV. Oh, you said he escaped. Oh, we're so right now. Now you guys got to find them. If you find a 100 grand going on, that's awesome. That's awesome. So so they interview him and they interview all the people in the in the house and then they they they get a bunch of like weird action shots of the people in the house like playing games and like sleeping in the sleeping bags and stuff like that. 51:21 and then they leave and they turn to the the people and they like like. Thank you so much for your time and then they just like turned in a key and just walk out and don't say a word. He's like okay, okay, weird yeah and so then they tell him that all right you got to go. You know what you did and so they essentially just kick him out. He asks for the footage and I don't hey can I have all that footage and like what are you going to do with it? 51:49 And he's like, I'm going to make a T and so they kick him out. He's got no place to go. He goes on, finds one of his friends. He like sleeps on the street that night, finds his childhood friend and they go to the pub together and he's like, he's like, Hey, cause they used to like make movies and stuff together growing up. They were like those kinds of kids. 52:11 and they haven't seen each other in years and so they're kind of catching up and he's like he's like yeah. Let me tell you this thing. I was all the good stuff that's happening in his life, Mary, the job, you know, all these things fun stuff, starting his new career and entrepreneur. What's up with you and he's like I'm home. I you know I'm home. Have you ever heard of reality TV? No, I have it 52:35 You love it. You it's your thing, man. So imagine this. I get thirty people to make one hundred thousand. That's three million dollars, three million dollars winning team. One hundred thousand a million dollars as my problem. I get to two mil axis like, dude, this is I could do this. I could do this once a year, once a year, make two million a year. Easy, easy. You want in? Yeah, you win. And so they're talking, they're catching up, whatever. And then the TV in the pub turns on London Knightley and it's his special. 53:03 and there's his interview and he's like he's like everyone in the Bob is like that. Is that the guy and then his friend is like that's that's literally you isn't it and he's like yeah. I did. I did do that thing. That's my twin. That's my that's the twist. That's the it's a twin twist. It's a twin twist the whole time. The first that was real. That was real everybody. He beat them to the 53:32 the meet up yeah twin beat them to meet at dude. The other twin shows up to the park with the camera crew and director and he's like no one's there. I got yeah and then ice walks away on the phone with we tell him the wrong day or he's on the phone with Richard Branson and CBS the conference guys again. No one showed up. I thought we casted do you want to show up here and then and see and Richard Branson like I'll drive separate. He was a whole thing. He's like I'll be there in twenty minutes because he fly anywhere in twenty minutes. 54:01 yeah, because he can fly because yeah, Richard Branson is super Paris. Remember when he went to space and did that whole video where he rode his bike yeah like he was riding to work. Do you remember that was that he wrote his bike? What are you talking about Richard Branson that did that? I'm pretty sure those were your boys motorcycle. No, I don't know what you're talking about riding his bike. I know when he went to space. I don't know what you talk about right road, his bicycle to the launch pad. Oh, I do think I know what you're talking about. Wasn't that Richard Branson like it was his commute to work? 54:30 Yeah, he was just like in some fresh air on my way on my way to go to space. I do remember this. I'm a commoner. I'm just like you on my little bicycle before I go to space. I take this trip to outer space. I wanted to get one last feel of what it's like to be poor to be like one of you to be like can't afford a car right. I'll ride my bike. Yeah, how quaint 55:00 didn't have a bike rack at the launch pad. Yeah, there is. I'm saying 55:08 just bike to the launch pad. That's so absurd. Okay, anyways, so his friend is really mad and then that's the last time they ever talk and then he ends up being homeless for a while. That whole group says their goodbyes. They go home and that's kind of the end of it until twenty twenty three until a wrong wrong tab. 55:36 until let's see what's the year here, twenty, twenty three in October, a documentary drops on prime, okay, called the greatest show never made and they brought the whole cast back one, not the whole cast. Everyone who said yeah, I'll be on this. So about half of the group, six people came back and they recreated his apartment and okay, then relive their experience here and kind of tell the stories and then they shut the door. 56:06 and they said you guys shut after make a million dollars to make a million dollars can't leave this. He goes. You don't recognize me. 56:18 and come back for a documentary and he walks in the room. He goes. Thank you for being here. Welcome project to him. Three Nikita Nikita, so 56:46 They they tell the whole story. It's a three part documentary series, okay, definitely one of those ones where it should have been a single the first episode. I think the second one just vamps for a whole episode. The third one is the ground breaking episode because they brought Nikita back. Oh and so like now here's Nikita now. Honestly, glow up. Oh Nikita. Here's the thing though is not Nikita Russian. We find out okay. He actually 57:14 never was kind of so Nick Russian was actually born Keith Anthony Gillard and he legally changed his name to Jack Lister in his early twenties and then and then changed again to Nikita Russia and he was like that's the one that's me. I'm Nikita Russian. He growing up was like a film nerd like really wanted to get into that stuff right, but 57:41 did not have a good childhood, had actually a really bad childhood and then left home at like sixteen to escape it, and that's why he changed his name because he had a really hard time throughout his early twenties. He in London, he was in Surrey, okay, and then yeah, he went to London and he studied English at University of London, but it eventually dropped out and so he had a really bad sense of self, like a really negative sense of self was very 58:10 not confident right and then he went on MTV's made. I wish that were true. I was like oh what now he had really negative self confidence, so he changed his name from Keith to Jack Lister. All you got to do is change your name, but he didn't feel like that fit, so then he changed to the key to Russian and each time he changed his name. He like changed his personality. He's like he's like I'm finding who I'm going to be yeah. The key to Russian he this person was a tv producer and he's like 58:39 He had this dream of Nikita Rush that's gonna make these TV shows and they're gonna be successful. And he had this big dream of we're gonna make this show, which was Project MS2, and the concept was exactly how it was gonna be. When he recounts the story, he says that in that initial meeting, he said, I don't know where it got misconstrued. He said the goal was to film a pilot and then sell it to CBS. And then a court people like, 59:08 Richard Branson to sponsor it and he said, but we're not going to like. We didn't have that to begin with. Okay, he said the film crew I had there was actually students and his goal was to have them come film the whole thing, but after that first shoot, he couldn't get them to buy in for a full year to film everyone. They're like, yeah, we have class and so yeah, that kind of fell apart, have school and a girlfriend and you got to end all that 59:38 you go to. What do you want success? Do you want to be successful or do you want to be a degree and so people with three degrees work, serving tables? Okay, 59:50 so they dropped out his director and him had a falling out, so his director dropped out okay, which is director honestly coolest guy ever. This guy is steven Tyler Perry. Okay, those are the grasshopper from a bug's life. 01:00:10 Oh my gosh he does that's insane, and so the way Nikita tells a story is the goal was to shoot this and then sell the pilot right right and that's why he wanted the a full year to try to sell this thing. Well, after everything fell apart, he still wanted that footage because he was like I still really believed it and I still thought we could sell this concept. 01:00:34 and it's interesting he's like and that's why I sold this documentary to Amazon. If that's how it ended, he goes and then I realize I can just sell a document. Well, the though at the end of his produced by Nikita Russian that big killer do I hate that you said that because that's literally how it ends, but it's not that's not what happened. One of the guys in the group, this guy in the bottom left was like was like what if this whole thing was just Nikita Russian again? 01:01:03 and he's one of the producers. We're going to watch this back and find out he did. He got us back again like and that's how it ends like that's where the credits roll after he says that and it's like okay, but it the he's not a producer in the credits, so well, the key to Russian is so yeah. That's a good point. Actually, so his name is not Nikita Russian anymore. Obviously now the key to Russian was homeless. It's in Quintin Wolf 01:01:33 you because he just sat there and went in night Shamala T be J in okay, okay night when they dark 01:01:57 Quinn. 01:02:01 in so in Quinn in Quintin Wolf, Quintin Wolf, Quintin Wolf, yeah and now he's he's an author. Oh yeah, he's got this one. I do like his cover art. I will say it's cover. It's good not poppin. Most of his books on Amazon have like seventeen reviews, but they're really sure positive. They're overwhelmingly positive. I mean you read the names on the reviews, though it's the key to rush in Keith 01:02:31 I'm just key, Keith Anthony, Giller, Jack Lister, it's all his names, so he went on to be an author, but here's the thing. Here's here's what I genuinely wonder, because he was still trying to make this happen. They were all really mad at him because they were like you crushed our dreams and we like gave up so much to come beyond this and his response. There's video, there's footage of him when they were kind of having that big blow up, blow up fight where they like you crushed our dream. He's like he's like this is my dream too. He's like he's like 01:03:00 you guys are crushing my dream to sure and I think he still was like we can still make this happen like yeah. He was still fighting to get a pilot put together okay, and these people turned on him and I want. I almost wonder if these people didn't turn on him in that moment. If he could have somehow kept them from turning on him and still got them to do the challenge, if they could have put a pilot together and if they could have actually sold it and made something happen, but he lost them. He lost them in that 01:03:30 and so if there was some way he could have kept their trust or something or restored their trust, could it have actually had? I think him being homeless didn't really still a lot of confidence. Yeah, I do think that I think him showing up and being like I kind of really need this to work out. You know, I mean yes, yeah, I will. Yeah, yeah, but it is interesting when you watch the these people are now adults and you watch them talk about it. 01:03:57 and they do still talk about him like he was clearly a bright guy. He was down on his luck and made some bad choices and he deceived us all and that was pretty sad and they were some of them were still really angry about it, but some of them like you could tell kind of felt for him in a way. So I don't know at the end. It ended up being a little moving, seeing them kind of all the people reunite and talk about that and then they all did like video diaries to Nikita goodbye messages. Yeah, yeah 01:04:26 and Gita sorry we had to vote you out. So I do think that there's a possible world where this could have worked, where this could have worked out, where they could have actually shut the pilot and could have happened, but because the group turned on him and he couldn't get them their trust back, it didn't happen and he went down. I don't think because I don't think he was ever a con man though. I don't think this was ever. I don't think it was ever like 01:04:51 Like you said, I'm going to take two million out of this. I think his goal was genuinely I'm going to make this show and he bit off more than he could chew. Oh sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Then yeah, it all fell apart, but I wonder like there's, I don't think that production company would like CBS or you know, any TV channel would be like, let's commit to a full year of production. Yeah, that's a huge, that's a huge thing. Yeah, yeah. For something we don't know if it's going to work. Yeah, especially in that era. Now, 01:05:21 Maybe because now these sorts of shows we know work at that air in that era. It was so early and maybe, maybe because it was so big because survivor used to be forty days and now it's what like eighteen. That is true. Yeah, they make them all really short now. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know. Well, anyways, it in the show ends with that moment that I told you about, but just before that moment I told you about this guy gets out his guitar. The director, the director sings. He's like I wrote 01:05:49 what I think could have been the theme song and so it's and it was actually genuinely very good and he plays it and it was it was when he rolls up his sleeve, he ain't putting on the wits. God is an awesome God. The last the song was the like hook was it's the greatest show never made and so you kept saying that hook 01:06:14 and then at the end after that how does the last time he hit it sing, sing how he sounds. I oh gosh. What do you think the melody is? It's a great show never made like I like a dad rock kind of thing. No, I can't you're you're on the right track. It was like it was raspy. It was kind of skinner t because he was playing acoustic guitar. So there's a little skinner t skinner t skinner t, but the last hook he hits the hook and then tags it. 01:06:44 the last time with a great show. Maybe it finally will maybe finally will yeah and so it kind of what is on this whole thing or as if just Nikita Russia getting us all back be crazy if he's one of the producers of this yeah. So it kind of tags with like the producers kind of set themselves up like we could make this show 01:07:10 it's kind of the way they set it up to end. So maybe in a couple of years we're going to see this show actually happen, because I genuinely do think that this idea is like a mixture of undercover billionaire in the amazing race, but with people long as he is a good at it. I don't know so there's a chance that we might see this actually happen. Now there's a chance they kind of put that up, set that up, so the documentaries on prime greatest show never made the show itself. The documentary is decent 01:07:40 the last episodes really skip episode to episode one and two or where all sure this is the end of the episode. This is the end. Well, you know what that means. Happy one. This is William Hong. This is T I L L and podcast. Thanks for watching all hell. The watcher Fetler off


Have you ever imagined winning a game show only to find out it was all a scam? That’s what happened in the story of Nikita Russian, a man with big dreams who almost pulled off one of the most bizarre reality TV shows ever attempted. Let’s dive into the strange but true story of how Nikita Russian’s game show almost … Read More

How Ed Thorp Beat Blackjack, Roulette, and the Stock Market

08-20-24

Episode Transcription


Ed Thorp is a name you should know. He is a math genius who changed the world of gambling and investing. Through his love for numbers, he discovered ways to win at Blackjack and Roulette. But Ed Thorp didn’t stop there. He also became a big name in the world of finance, making a lot of money with his smart … Read More

Are You an Alien Super Soldier?

08-13-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, you're watching Things other than last Night. Today we cover the Secret Space Program. It is a bonker's conspiracy theory and emphasis on bonkers. This is gonna be a wild ride. I hope you're ready for it. And there's a pretty fun surprise at the end of this episode, so stick around till the end. If you're watching for the first time, subscribe right now. Don't wait to see it. Subscribe right now. I guarantee you're gonna be happy. Hit that bell icon, leave a comment, leave a review if you're listening on one of the podcast apps, and thanks for watching Things out the last Night. Oh important disclaimer, this is a comedy podcast. We're gonna laugh a lot. We're gonna make fun of stuff. I hope you're ready for that. Thanks for checking this out. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the Secret Space Program? Secret Space Program? Yeah? No, I mean if I did, it would just be the Space Program. No, this is the secret one, right, Okay, all right, this is this is gonna be a journey. I think what we need to do today is we're gonna so here's what we're here's what we're gonna have to do. What are you looking at me like that, you mean it's gonna be a journey, you know, exactly the camera and tell them what you mean by it's going to be a journey. Well, here's the here's the cool thing about this is, technically speaking, this isn't really an alien episode. I mean it's alien adjacent There are some aliens that are alien adjacent space. Sure, yeah, there's gonna be some aliens that enter the story at certain points, but it's not about them. It's kind of like it's kind of like Friday, which which character are, Like there are there's the main characters in Freaky Friday, and there's the then there's all the supporting actors. I don't know what the Freaky Friday like. I don't know. I don't know literally anyone else in Freaky Friday. I can name name. So you're saying Lindsay Lohan, Jamie Lee Curtis, I can tell you. The aliens history are basically that weird No, that's School of Rock that I'm thinking of, isn't it. There actually was that weird scene of Freaking Friday with the alien dish of Okay, why do you sound weird today? Are you good? What the frick? What are you talking about. What do you mean when I sound weird? You get some weird you're yelling, and you got some weird nasal thing going on. I got a weird nasal thing going on. You're yelling. Did I mention that you're yelling? Tell me what's your resting heart rate? I don't know. I'm measuring right now. You said that, and so I just went and I'm like, let me, I'm right now. Came in this morning, it was like, I'm on edge. Okay, buddy, well, I was preparing for this episode and you're not gonna believe what I saw last night. I was planning for you're yelling. I was preparing for this episode and you're never gonna believe that's what you're doing right now. You're freaking yelling. I'm not yelling. Prepared for this episode and you saw what. You're not gonna believe what I saw last night? Okay? The aliens came and they said, don't don't cover this topic? All right? What is it? Don't you cover this topic? And I said I'm gonna do it, and they said, don't you did? I try so hard to make this podcast good, and it feels like you're trying so hard for it not to be. It feels like I'm trying my best. I show up and I'm like, you know what, I've centered myself a school, I took some time and you know, did some self reflection. I already did my workout this morning. I feel good, you know, I'm ready to record some episodes. And you sit down and you're like, you like, bro, why don't you just teach me the topic. They go to an intergalactic war with the global elites and the Illuminati. Okay. While they're there, they develop time travel. Okay, so she goes back things I learned last night. Cool, we're gonna ask this with this? Is it a couple of parts? There's gonna be two parts of this story. One, I'm gonna tell you the story of the Secret Space Program. We've done this a couple times before. I'll tell you the story of the Secret Space Program. Great. And then I'm gonna tell you the series, the story of where they're at today. Cool. And then something really interesting that happened a few weeks ago. Jot it. Honestly, gosh, I wish that was what happened. I wish so bad, Like, oh gosh, all right, anyways, let me center myself, like you said, pull it together, let's get into it. Okay, So the Secret Space Program is, uh, here's the story for the Secret Space Program. To take this back to like eighteen gosh, seventy ietek seventy. Yeah, we're taking this way back. We're taking this way back when were people space people have been around for a long time. I understand that. So it started in it started like eighteen hold on, let me get the date right. Let me get this date right. Eighteen seventy one. Eighteen seventy one, a book came out of a novel was written by a woman under the name of Maria or Sick. You know who that is. No, she's allegedly an important historical figure that I've never heard about before. I was going to show you a picture of her, but instead I found this drawing someone did, and I figured I'd show this to you instead. This is Maria or Sick. Okay. The rest of the episode is not going to get better, all right, I don't know. Maybe a will. If you're listening, it's a picture of right now, it feels like the first three minutes of the presidential debate, where you're like, oh, this is gonna go. Okay, you're like a ninety minutes that was gonna this is what we're doing today. This is not gonna be ninety minutes. By the way, I will never let that happen to you. It might be you're safe, Okay, I will keep this ow guide this thing. Okay, So if you listen, if you're listening, this is a colored pencil drawing. This is a pencil drawing with colored pencil in a couple of specific zones. It's it's a group of three women like worshiping a UFO. And then there's one down here where a she's holding the flat earth. That's the firm ice. Yeah, she's holding the flatter I thought it was a platter of something. And she's checking her and there's art rate. Yeah, she's making sure she's still got a balls ninety six alive. There's like alien letters all over the paper. And then there's a woman in the front that's Maria. She's got a nice little hair clip and her the UFO is painted gold. And then the only other thing that has colored with the colored pencils is her blonde hair, blue eyes. So that that might give you a hint of where we're going with this. Anytime someone says blonde hair, blue eyes might give you a hint of where we're going with this. I don't think that's great. So in her novel, I should say she's a character, like there's a novel written by her, but years later she disappears. I have concerns on whether this is a real person. I think it might have been a pseudonym. I think someone elsher wrote this that was not her. And they're pretending like your what's your author name? Aname? What do you mean my author name? What's your author name? Don't you have like an author name? I have an author name. I thought you had another name. No, I thought you had like a like I was gonna write my novels and say my name was Oh, there was the possibility that I do T J. Stone if I start to become a novelist. That's not the same. I thought you had like a freaking you know, like just a complete suit on him, Cornelius Whittaker or something like that. No, yeah, I did have Remember when we were growing up on the internet and like, none of your sentences sound like they're gonna end. Well, dude, what are you talking? Keep going? Please, we're going for on the internet. And it was like, oh, there's sketchy people on the internet. You can't use your real information, right, And so we all had fake information with fake birthdays, fake addresses, all this, all that. Yeah, what was your fake names? What was your fake name? My fake name was Bibbathy mama Bear. Used it on everything. And you think that that fools some people. People were like, we were like, heybath mama Bear. No, I'm chatting with my friend Bib And uh, what do you mean that's not as real name you think Bibathy Mama Bear. I thought you were talking about, like, you know, different identities online, you're talking user names. No, that was I had a username. I had a different username. That's what I would put for my name. When I was a first name, last name field, I would always put bibithy mama bear. Yeah, and something feels like just what a I am generated for you? Honestly, it could be I would. I did sometimes have typos, and so it was Bipathy mam bear on some things. Got it? Uh, yeah, you want to dive into water, you chose mama. I don't know where that came from. I was just thinking about that for a second. That's an interesting choice. Yeah, that is an interesting choice. So why don't we take it back, Like when you were like six, maybe you know I was taking a nap and I woke up. I woke up from this nap and I walked downstairs and my family is not there. They're gone. They're not in the house. Here's the true story. They're not in the house. I look everywhere. I'm panicking, six years old, can't find my family anywhere. Yeah, and then finally I look out in the backyard and there they are my parents and my little brother, who's an infant at the time, having a picnic without me and I. I slept through it. And I couldn't take a nap until I was twenty seven years old. I couldn't. I couldn't fall asleep because I was afraid I was missing something. This feels like a bit that trut. I don't know. I know it is. I'm saying it started as a bit, and then you got just a little too real with it, you know, like for twenty one years, I couldn't take a nap. Wow, buddy, that's actually really sad. It was. That was a moment for you that you cry, Are you crying right now? I just a little six year old bipathy sleeping through family time. I walked out on the deck and I was like, are you guys having a picnic without me? Stop crying? I can't. I'm just picturing he needed his mama bear. Get this man into acting gay. Jeez, those tears. I believed them. Oh wow, Yeah, So that's kind of like whenever I was a kid, What if this is just us like saying, you know, like this will happen. My wife will do this a lot. She'll say stuff because she had like an abnormal childhood, I think, or like there's a lot of people at evangel who did this. Yeah, but you know when your parents did this thing and all of your friend group goes, no, has it ever happened? You know when you're like sharing like and you're like, oh, yeah, like my my parents, you know, when we would get in like conflict or whatever, my mom just would like leave for like three days. And then you're like that's not normal. Oh, you know when your mom goes away for a couple of days and you're like no, like actually, no, they didn't happen. For like, when you're on vacation and you're in the bathtub and you shove socks and that's why your parents paint into without you did. Yeah, we don't really want this guy around. This guy they're talking about their six year old son. In the abstract. They're like like, oh, man, hey, Terry, do you want to have a picnic in the backyard. Don't invite that guy this time? What guy artists? You know who I'm talking about, that guy who's around here all the time. Oh, yes, baby, baby, I don't think that's okay. So you all this came from you think that this is a made up person. Oh that's right. Yeah, So I'm pretty sure this person's made up. So there's no way I actually got vulnerable on this. This is so sad. There's no easy way to say what I'm about to say. Maria writes a novel, and in her novel, she says that there was a group of aliens from a far away galaxy and they came to Earth and they breathed with humanity and created a superior race that it is called the Arians. Is don't some people think that was like the angels that did that? Though? Yes? Yeah, And so the theory is that she was the puppet master controlling Adolf. So she founded the Real Society, which is also known as what V R I L Real, which is also known as the All German Society for Metaphysics. And so basically this was kind of like an early feminist movement. She realized that a lot of men had more opportunity than the women in their society, and so she got a group of women together and they would we should kill all these guys. We should build camps for these men, kill them all. No, she said, she did like it was like metaphysical stuff. So they would meditate and they would worship the UFOs. That was why. That's what got so they this is in the book? Is describing all this or is this like a real thing that I'm gonna be one hundred percent honest with you. I don't really know. I didn't read the book. It seems like it's probably garbage. But what I this is a piecemeal story of it could have been in the book, it could have been her real life. It also all seems like it might be made up. I'm gonna be honest, So we don't know. But she had this group and in nineteen twenty seven, Big a found the real society. I don't like calling the big a. I don't think you should do that. What else am I going to call him? Adolf Hitler? Adolf Hitler. I'm just trying not to get us demonetized. I'm trying to say it less. I'm trying to use the word less mustachio. He finds the society, and you say his name. I don't know what the limit is on that. Pretty crazy to have a name that would just be like, actually, no one can advertise nov So Yeah, in nineteen nineteen, he finds a society and he gets the you go bibbler mom, mama, bear, mam a fear. Uh. He finds the society, he joins it, surprisingly because it's an all woman's society. So they're saying that that that the Nazis, which keep saying that. I don't know how many times you can say that, I don't know. Uh, so unserious, which makes it feel like we're just we're not making light of any of that. But yeah, we're just genuinely trying. Uh. The theory then is that that was puppet stringed by aliens, not by aliens, by this woman who was who believed it. I don't know if she was controlled by aliens. She knew that the aliens came to earth, I shouldn't say she knew. She believed that the aliens came to earth and created a spirit race by breeding with humans, and she was like, we need to make sure that that is the race. Is what she campaigned for? Why he was welcome to the crew. Is this a serious question? A little bit? I think like NBA basketball players are real. I believe I've never seen him. Actually I have seen him in real life. Have you seen him? You're never gonna believe what I just googled. Okay, uh, this kid that got drafted this year? Oh the draft? Yeah, yeah, you actually remember his name? The other day the Mormon kid. No, okay, the Mormon Kid is a crazy story. That's a different story. A tangent on that. Let's do that in the fiddle off. The fiddle off by while you're looking that up. The fiddle off is after we do that, at the end, we go fiddle off. In the music plays, we we kind of just chat about the episode and whatever else, and our Patreon supporters get to watch that every week. Yeah, so if you would like access to some bonus content, it's a little plug there. There you go. What is this kid's name? Was he like seven four or something? Uh? Oh, he hasn't been drafted yet. Okay, so there is a kid. This kid got Okay, so I got drafted. There's a kid this he Okay, what is what's going on with the kid? So there was a guy who just got drafted? How tall is how tall is he? I think at seven four seven five just got drafted made history is like the super a super tall NBA player. Well, there's a kid that is in college right now. His name is Oliver Oliver Root r I o u x How do you say that r I o u x U. Sure, he's seventy nine and he's playing. He's in D one. He's playing in college. This is him next to a normal sized human. It's a toddler. He's standing next to toddler. And that toddler is adorable by the way. That toddler. That's a good that that's like a five year old. Maybe that kid that kid's yeah, of toddler. He's here, he is in a game with another kid his a imagine being that Yeah, the defender on that he's like I think they said he's six six inches taller than Shack. He is a full head taller than Shack. And what's kind of wild about him is he's proportional. Like if you look at him, if you take take that child out of this picture, like he does. He doesn't look to because some people, when you see him, you're like, oh, he's yikes, you got like issues, like his arms are long. Yeah, it's kind of bonkers. That's crazy. So do you think he exists or yeah, I believe in him. Do you think when the Bible talks about giants, do you think they're talking about this guy or do you think it's like actual giants. So anyway, this is the guy who got drafted. So this is him next to this guy who got drafted a seventy four. Uh. And that guy looks tall if you want, if you look at his frame, that's a very tall. He's not proportional. Where Oliver Rue is a great neck. You think, I don't know what it is, but it's like because like if you look at I think it's pronounced women yama his. I think it's the it's the size of your quads and like the distance between your hips and your knees. Yeah, because some of these guys like they have the long shins, like from the knees knees to ankles. Yes, that proportion's weird. Yes, and like you look at his his arm to look really on his fingers look super long. Women Yama, but olivers, look it's proportional. It matches up with the rest of the body. I feel like women Yamas doesn't look like it matches. Okay. Anyways, So all that to say body shaming anybody, by the way, I'm just I'm talking about what they look like. Yeah, I'm just I'm just looking in front of their weird say they look they look like your arms look like dementors, you know, like I that's just that's I mean, body shaming you. That's me just calling out that. I'm just saying I would be ashamed if you feel shame, that's all. Dude. Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, A great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week, they get a discord with our host and producers. We do monthly hangouts. We do there's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perse, but more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're gonna keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us and so like, we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want a support, that's really fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. No, so I believe in those okay. So anyway, so the aliens are like, hey, this is the Yeah, so there's this there's this super race, and she wants them to be you know. Sure, somehow Hitler joins this group. I don't know how he gets admitted into it because it's not a woman group. But I mean historically speaking, he was kind of like like the Beatles, right, what he that's true, right, Alex, I'm not wrong. What are you talking about? Like he was like, uh, like before he got elected and during his campaign, he was I don't know what a popular Yeah, yes, but like I don't know what the right word is. Womanizer is not the right work because he wasn't a womanizer. But like he had a lot of female fans that like adored him, Okay, like they like found him attractive. So he's he joins this society, and the theory is that's where he was radicalized in this group with Maria Orsai. He had to submit to the leadership of the women's Society. Do you think it was, like, well, that's the theory. The theory is he joins the society and he becomes like they're pawn. And then so he goes into politics and he does everything we know that he does, and she's in control of it all behind him. Got it? The war ends? Uh? And then she disappears. Is the story world War two ends? Or World War one ends? World War two? World War two? Uh? And so she was significant because somewhere all on the line, through her meditation and all her metaphysical stuff, she got into or she got a hold of this alien race and they were able to give her a map and that map letter to Antarctica. Have you heard this conspiracy theory. What you're gonna find in this episode is the secret space of society kind of strings together a bunch of conspiracy theories. Yeah, like project strings together a lot of things and makes it a maga theory. And so which every time we talk about one of those conspiracy theories, that's where it all falls apart. Is like any any conspiracy, like any big theory that includes all the other ones is like, yeah, come on, you start to realize this doesn't work when you look at it as a whole. Anyways, So they get the map to uh Antarctica and buried under the ice is all this technology from an ancient human civilization that has since been wiped out. Sure, they use that technology to build Have you heard of the die glock? Is it just al with the word die on it? No? Oh yeah, just double okay, No, not even close. Have you heard of the Food Fighters? Yep, not those ones? No, the what the Food Fighters named their band after? You know what that is? Okay? So the Food Fighters in history, not the band was this. They were basically UFOs and World War two, okay, And so they got attributed a lot to Germany. And so the idea was Germany had this experimental aircraft that didn't look like normal jets. I guess they weren't even jets at that time, fighter planes. And they called them food fighters because they didn't understand what they were, and so that was just kind of the name that they gave them. There's also the theory that they were UFO, like actual alien UFOs. That's what a food fighter is, and that's what the band is named after. Okay, this, the die Block is allegedly one of those food fighters. I can only show this for a moment, but this is They also call it the bell and it spins. Yeah, and so it's like a that's a real picture of something that's not a real picture. I didn't think. So it looks like a bell. And then also was a UFO the earnest what you said, the liberty bell with some racist symbols on it. And if also it was a UFO, Golly, it looks like the Liberty bell. And it looks like a UFO if you took it in photoshop and stretched it vertically, that's what it looks like. Yeah, and so this was their spacecraft. And so if the story is all the UFOs we see are just Nazi Germany's space ships bill crafts. And so after the war they retreat to Antarctica where they build yes civilization. Yeah, and while they're there, Maria Mariah or sick she lead, She takes over the lead. She has always been the lead, but now she's like the vocal lead. Sure, and they they were the ones who actually decided to depose Bibbler Cure because they were like, he's taking this into red direction. We didn't really want to take this. Sure, they put an end to the Third Reich and they start their Fourth Reich, and that's in ANARCA, and they become like a secret civilization. Over the course of a few years into the Cold War, they end up developing technology to get them to space. This lady's been alive since the eighteen seventies, though in this story, in this story, yeah, So she's like, that will make sense in a little bit. Okay, it won't make sense, but you'll understand. You'll understand. Okay, it won't make any sense, but you'll get it. The plot hole won't be a plot hole, it'll just be dumb. So they achieve space travel, they go to space. They so she goes back, she goes back to eighteen whatever. I don't know. And now this is where the meat of the story really begins to happen. And so we're talking the Nordics, the Salonians, the there's others that I'm having a hard time remember, the lizard people ones I don't know, all the other aliens that everyone the Grays, you know, all these aliens, all these aliens that everyone talks about. So they go to war with them, and it's been a long running war. They did not have a huge population, and so they needed to expand their army. How do they do that Well, through the use of their time traveling technology. They time traveled through the last four or five hundred years, and they abducted humans and took them to Mars as children or adults or whatever age they got them, and they turned them into super soldiers to fight for right their cause. And so they joined the war as these super soldier slaves basically. And so they had this training and they all have We're gonna get some YouTube comments and from people, and I just I want you to play back the last fifteen seconds of the video where he talks about them taking people kind traveling, teaming them to Mars, and then delete whatever crap you're writing in our YouTube comments right now, because this is it's a fun story. But if you're like this is real, I mean this sincerely kind of dumb, you know, Like I don't. I don't want to be it's not trying to be mean. I'm just trying to be honest with you. I mean, somebody has to tell you that this is I think that's probably one of the dumbest things I've heard. You know, I genuinely thought you were gonna be like, you should talk to someone and be like nice, No, you're just like you suck. No, you should talk to someone, just not about this. Don't say anything about this. Don't. This is one of those things where you bring it up and then someone else knows how dumb you are, you know, you know, when you're hanging out with somebody and they say someone you go, oh, no, you're one of those dumb I've never had someone look at me like that and say that like that. I've said it to more people lately. I No, I just mean, like, it's not like a, oh we disagree. It's like it's not like it's not like oh yeah, it's it's just kind of like, oh, that's something that you believe in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's pretty rough. So continuing the story, I'm really sorry to be the one to tell you, yeah, because I know you're sitting here you're like, you're dumb, You're you're dumb. That's why they deleted that comment. And then they just put no you're dumb, No, you're dumb. All right, Well, hey if you think we're dumb, but no, you're dumb in the I think will lend me money, you know what I'm saying, Like they know that I'm not dumb. You don't sit down. You sit down for a loan in the loan officers like all right, I've just got some routine questions to ask what should be? What's your credit should be? Have you ever defaulted on a loan? Do you believe that there is a race of ancient preaching? The very minimum TSA is like this guy's pretty dumb, but he's not. I'm really trying. I really don't want to be mean about this stuff. But the more alien stuff we do, there's some of them where I go I can see how you got there, right, or like ah, that's pretty I mean, I don't know, there's there's there are enough belief systems, and I think this way with with religion, with the with with is that I go, Yeah, there's so much stuff that like if you want to get nailed down of like did a literal flood happen? Or did did you actually get swallowed by a way? All this stuff, I go, I don't, that's not the point of the story. Like there's room for some mysticism here, right, And then there's other stuff where it's like, well, you're like this happened and you go it didn't. Yeah, which reminds me, did did you watch the TikTok I sent me yesterday? Did you watch? No, you can't what did talk? Did you send me yesterday? Honestly, this and I mean this so sincerely one of the most impressive things. And by impressive, I mean like surprising, like I was. I was impressed at that this decision was made because it seems, in my opinion, so out of character for the show historically. But you know, so I'm guessing you didn't watch it because it's normal. The Terrence Howard's appearance on Joe Rogan, Oh yes, if you haven't seen that, I did, because he brought somebody else on. The other guy was like, you don't understand what's yeah, so if you if you haven't seen it Terrence. Joe Roganna had Terrence Howard on his podcast a couple of months ago, and Terrence Howard one equals to two. Yeah, and he's been he's been campaigned, no one can this is what I'm saying. He uses he uses really big words to sound intelligent, and he's a lot of people you're dumb, dumb, and so Joe brought him on and had him on for like two hours to just spout all this that was just stupid. Well, recently he brought on an actual mathematician to talk to him, and the mathematician I think did a really good job because he wasn't a jerk like he was. It was just like, okay, he was kind of doing what I'm doing right now. It was like, what you're saying does not make any sense, yeah, in any world. Yeah. And then and then he'd be like, he'd like, okay, could you explain this. He'd explain it, and then he'd be like, Okay, well what you're saying does not mean what you're saying it means, and let me explain why, and like and it just over and over again, like he just basically shot down everything he was saying. But he was so nice about it, and we're wasting their time, you know what I'm saying. Like people were like, oh, I wasted my time on this podcast. It's like, dude, that episode was three hours long and it's the most popular podcast to listen to. A mathematician have to explain third great math to a grown man who made more money than all of us. That's why it makes me angry. But that was that was It was just surprising to me because it's so out of the norm I think for that show to bring people with a posing view, like to bring a smart person to tell the dumb person why they're dumb, because I feel like the whole show is just why don't you say some nonsense? Well that yeah, that's the thing is to have Terrence Howard on in the first place, on brand, To have Terrence Howard come back on and have like a distinguished mathematician talk to him and tell him why he's an idiot? Not on brand? And I was like, well, the thing about like aliens and stuff is there is at least room there's at least room because I can't prove. And this is where I get so annoyed with a lot of like the online debates especially, but like anytime I encounter a person in real life, we have these conversations and their argument is you can't prove that it is wrong. Yeah, and I go, okay, but that doesn't mean that it's it's like where he's like he doesn't breathing gravity. You're like, yeah, you improve that is yeah, you know, but you can't prove that that's what's happening. And you're like, I guess, I sure, yeah, you know there's at least like a slipper room with math, Yeah, that doesn't exist. That's I think that's probably why that happened. Where it's like with math, it's kind of like there's no wiggle room in what you're trying to say, I have one of one? Yeah, how many do I have here? And he's like he's like, oh, you got two? I don't know, you see there's two there, I have one one. That's how it was explained to us in third grade. Yeah, and we all were like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. We get it because we're third graders. And our brains work like third graders anyway, where I feel like I might be coming across as a jerk in this episode, but like I don't. It's okay. Care, I think it's okay. Okay. If you don't believe in basic math, I want to be really clear, you should talk to something. So they time traveled, they went back and got like four hundred Yeah, they went back about four hundred years year. They're kidnapping people and the Army of superhumans. Well here's the thing, here's what's crazy. They're super advanced. These people are living. They're super soldiers too, so they're living three four or five hundred years super soldier in for the Fourth Reich in Mars. Sure, and it's this is long intense war. Well, what has happened recently over the last this when I make this is just because the alien Nazis. By the way, just like, is that what we're doing? I mean they're they're not technically aliens. I mean there are aliens superhuman Nazis. Is that what you want me to put? No? Definitely not that. Okay. So over the last like six or seven years, there has been this movement that has grown, Okay, and they call themselves the Secret Space Program. And so from seven years ago like the recently recently, Yeah, and they are now coming forward as whistleblowers. And the storyline is that they were kidnapped as children and they became super soldiers. It's just the Moon Talk project. Yeah. And they're coming forward to everyone, Project Bluebeam. Yeah, they're they're they're coming forward to tell everyone about their experience as a super soldier and outlining. Can you show me a picture of any of them? Yeah, let me grab a little screenshot of you know exactly what I'm about to do with this, by the way, because I want you to use your eyes. Which Witcher, Watcher, Listener, Watcher, all Hill, the Watcher. When you see these superhumans, you make the determination I'm not gonna say a word. So this is the most popular one. This guy, specifically, he runs a YouTube channel called super Soldier Talk. His name is James Rink. He's significant. He brings a lot of whistleblowers on his show and interviews them, has them share their story. Most of the people he brings on are not well known people in this community. Like there are some like okay, super Space Program celebrities that are like the top of the food chain in this group. He's shown me up there. I can all grab some This is super soldier talk. This is the this is him. This is James Rink. He spent about three hundred years as a super soldier in the Nazi Martian Army. I feel like you watching knew exactly where I was going with that, And I'm just gonna let this image sit with you, you know, yeah, you know, in like and I'm not like again, we're not body shaving anybody here, Okay, I look like this. Yeah, yeah, anyway, the question is three hundred years of interterrestrial training, all right, this is two years of intermediate training. And these are this is Randy Kramer and Debbie Dashinger. I think they are celebrities in this in this movement as super soldiers. Randy's a little more believable, like if he like retired, has been retired for twenty years from the from the experience, he does have the alien hand going on. Yeah, yeah, I in space. I immediately just don't trust people who use virtual backgrounds on zoom. Yeah that's pretty accurate. Yeah that's not a true. Show me what you're hiding. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode, want to let you know real quick. We have an email list, and it's not like a, hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple of years ago now have updates or that the person the topic was about passed away or was caught by the police, or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done, we want to let you know about it, so that our episodes just aren't, you know, out there out of date. It's a really fun way to keep learning new information. And then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes, and it's just a way to help us keep spreading this show. What's my wife is A is a grade school teacher at a very fancy private school right where like these rich people send their kids, and so she'll do parent teacher conferences over zoom and uh, Like I walked down to the living room and it's like rich people talk like people that you would know on the zoom and I'm like, hey, turn the laptop and like show them our bookshelf. Don't sit facing our blinds, which people don't have blind never, Oh well those people are poor. Turn the laft. Make it look like we like we tried here, you know, No I don't know. I don't they know we don't have money. We're teaching your kids right like I don't know, I don't, but just don't don't let them think we live, like, don't let them see are blind? Yeah yeah, blind is not rich. Don't have blinds? Yeah, yeah. The closest thing they have are those like wooden blinds that like don't have a cord. Yeah, Like that's the closely ridge. That's just their bathroom. People who like stay inside. And then it's like, can you guys close the wines And they're like they pay them one hundred and forty thousand dollars a year for that each and there's like twelve of them for that window. Yeah, but they don't get to leave. They're there, but it's a year long commitment. Yeah, you make one hundred and forty grand and you don't have any expenses that year. You can't eat you're not allowed to eat well, I mean when the sun goes down, there's nothing for you to block anymore. So you're allowed to like kind of walk around the house, but you if if a sliver of light, yeah, you gotta make sure you block that light. If someone drives by and their cars are their brights shine in and you're not there to block it, you get they ship you off to Mars to fight in the secret space broke. So what I'm saying is those people, you know, my point stands. Yeah, you know, we we showed you images of these super soldiers, and you can make your own determination, even if you're an audio listener, I think you get it. Yeah. So, so allegedly what happens here is they go fight at super soldiers for years and then they kind of use them up or something. I don't know. They get to the point where they're not you're not valuable to their military anymore, right, and then they take you back to Earth. They mine, mine, erase you like men in black, and then they just drop you back in Earth and so it's like you were never gone. And but then these people, as I say, what's their claim, like, h I closed my eyes when they sat me. Through meditation and remote viewing, they are able to recall the memories of their time in the secret space Shark, and they're able to tell their story. They're also able to tell you all their past lives and things like that. Great, which is why that's the story. I don't really understand. But they all had they all had roles. They there's weapons testers, there was pilots, there was infantry, people who pretty much any role in the military, and they will tell you everything that they did. Some of the significant names in this Randy Kramer, who I showed you that picture of James Rink, is like the most successful YouTuber doing this, and to put that in perspective, he is more successful than us, but right not like super like his videos get like ten thousand views on average, but not like huge numbers. But some of the other names out there that are doing this are Mark Richards, who he's famous outside of this organization for murder and robbery. He's now in prison. He's famous outside of this for murder. He is serving a prison sentence for murdering somebody. He also attempted to take over his hometown and param takeover and be Kaun saw himself as king. He attempted to do this, and I don't know if there's like a storyline there he just he attempted a coup with how many people. I don't know if he had people. I think it was like I think it was the sort of thing where he had this plot. Yeah, he was like, I am now the king, and they were like, go to jail, sure, buddy. Then another guy by the name of James Caswelt, he claims that he was in m I six. Uh, and then he one day was meditating after an am if you live prison, he's in prison for blackmail. But wait, where the where in the world is he from. I don't know where he's from. Actually, I must love it us he's in m I six. Yeah, because it's not true he's not in That's what I'm saying. I would assume he's like you if you like and he's like all right, and you're like, you're from Indiana, okay. But he also attemded to take over his hometown. He didn't, but that would be great if all of these people did. And then and then there's a very significant Why is that a theme of like taking over your hometown? I don't know. I think everyone just thinks that they could run their hometown better. Yes, I have to wait at that stoplight. For four seconds too long. If I was the king, that won't happen. Yeah, I don't know, Okay. So and then another significant person, probably the most significant person in this whole, this whole conspiracy theory cult thing, is a woman by the name of Laura Eisenhower. And yes, she is those Eisenhower's No, yeah, she is the granddaughter of the Eisenhower that's that sucked so much because, like, you know, you can't control what you're grandkids do when you die. Yeah, yeah, you get sea. And so now she goes and she speaks at their conferences like she she campaigns for all this stuff. She's been like blacklisted from her whole family because of course we can't be so because her family looked at her and said, hey, her family looked at her and said, we're going to show you a picture and you tell us if this is a super soldier, but you kind of dumb Eisenhower. Dang, Yeah, that sucks for her. Yeah, So this is interesting. This is kind of a I mean, this is a this is a group that's growing. It's not huge, there's no real estimate of how big this group is, but they do do like an annual conference in Vegas. It doesn't seem like it's very large. They rent out a few conference hall, a couple thousand people show up. It doesn't seem huge. But if you have a couple of thousand people that show up to this conference, it's probably safe to assume they're in the tens of thousands of people right globally that are buying into this this thing. The reason I found out about it is there's a YouTuber by the name of Oki. He has a channel called OKI's Weird Stories. Okay, he found this and he said, I bet I could do that. Uh, and so he actually what I was thinking this whole time. Yeah, So he he deep dove the story, the lore and all the stuff, and he developed his own story. And he was saying, I think I said this in our last episode, is like, we got to figure out something to infiltrate some of these Yeah, we gotta start scamming. So he what this what this guy does? Super Soldier talk? He uh he does. He sells guided meditations for two hundred two dollars an hour. You can hop on a zoom call and he will help you to discover your experience. Okay, so we've been doing guided meditation. You can ask your echo to do guided meditations. Have you done these before? I have not. I didn't know I did that. Say echo, give me a guided meditation to fall asleep, and it doesn't do it on a rotation. It's the same one we've found out. We need to figure out how to get a different one. Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna be honest with you. It works. It puts you to sleep. I mean my wife fell asleep in maybe seven minutes. Was she really tired? I mean she was tired, but usually because she I try to keep my phone away in the last like two hours of the night or whatever. She's the person who's like, oh, yep, yep, yep. Oh, it's crazy that you're not crazy that you're so awake. Shot your eyes with light for a couple of minutes there. Yeah, But it's one of those like it's it's like, it's okay to let go of any pressure you have, any other tasks that need to get done, yep, and even the pressure to fall asleep. Let go of the pressure to fall asleep. That's it. That is that is one of the things. Though, it's like once you kind of like if you can't sleep and then you get in your head. Oh yeah, that's one of the worst places. Yeah. The easiest way to not fall asleep is to try to fall asleep. Yeah yeah, but yeah, So he sells these Gouted meditations, and in those guyded meditations, he basically helps you view your experience in the Secret Space Program. Okay, so you can find out if you were a Secret Space Program soldier. I'm willing to bet every time you buy one you find out you were a Secret Space Program soldier. Yeah. And I'm also willing to be a little certificate I was a Secret Space Program soldier. Shoot, is this worth it? And I'm also pretty sure that every time you do one of those, he invites you to come to an interview on a show because he gets the content out of it as well, So he kind of double dips getting paid okay because all of this. Yeah, all of his guests on a show are quote unquote nobody's in the community, and so it's like every once in a while he has the like famous people in the community, but they're the majority of them, sure nobody's and they're like, I was a super soldier. Yeah, and then they tell their story and he interviews them. I think that's and I what about the breakfast burritos they served at camp? Right? Wasn't that at the base camp? Oh? I remember those? And you're like, they didn't serve breakfast britals on mars. I think, man, those were rough. Those were really rough. Really they were my favorite. They were rough to turn away from because I just wanted to eat all of them. They were so good. Yeah, So he appears on he does the session and in that in that session, he's like, he's like, what do you see? And so they're sitting there and he's like, he's like, I see mister Beast And he was like he was like yes, he's like I have I've heard that he's one of their operatives. Wait, so this guy did the he paid the two fifty. I just posted that as his content. Well, what his content was was the whole story of how like he told his story, he showed him get on that sure thing long stray. Short after the session, he was like, Hey, the Las Vegas conference is coming up. Do you want to come? They do a conference, Yeah, they do a conferences in Vegas in Vegas. Yeah, And he's like he's like, do you want to come. That is not far from where I live. He said, I'm keynoting one of the sessions. You come watch it and maybe we can do We'll go to this conference A thousand two thousand. He did in the video he kind of showed the conference. I didn't. I didn't see like it didn't seem like it was like packed. It was. There's definitely a room in this ballroom, so maybe maybe a thousands even too big for that. I don't know how big this ballroom is. Yeah, but I They did say that there was a lot of sessions that were literally empty, like the speaker didn't show up to the breakout session, and so they were like, this, it was very unorganized. Sure, well, he goes to that session and this guy invites him up to his room. At some point he's like, would you like to do our interview? And so he brings him in and he does an interview for his YouTube channel. And so this is the YouTuber OK with this super soldier on the left after the oh, thanks for clarifying which and he put it out. He put out his interview and OKI made the whole thing up like it's he completely lied because he was like, I'm bad. I could. I bet I could get on this channel. And after his interview went out on the Super Soldier Talk YouTube channel, he put out his video and it was kind of interesting actually watching his response to it afterwards. I think it's worth looking it up and watching the video. It's a good video response older response. Oki said, you know, when I started researching this, my thought was, how can anybody possibly believe any of this? And he said, I went to do the interview, and I was very nervous because I was trying to remember all all the storylines and the threads and make sure I didn't get anything wrong and like expose myself. But it's like, but once we started going, he's like, I just kind of went and he's like, and I felt myself start to believe it. And he's like, it's kind of crazy how your brain, Like, if you spend enough time thinking about something, whether it's true or not, you can convince yourself it's true. Yes. And he's like, I had spent so much time studying this and rehearsing the story and building this character that when I had to interview for it, that character became me. And that's what So I read the book the storm was upon us, which was the rise of QAnon. Same concept is that when you spend your entire day ruminating and thinking on and trying to put this puzzle together and how does this, how does this piece fit into this, you can you can really figure out how that piece fits into it. Yep, you know, and then your brain is like jelly. Your brain just morphs around stuff. Yeah, you know. It's the same way when like when if you ever talked to an ex or a friendship that didn't end well and or you kind of try to you know, or somebody that you had some kind of falling out and then you guys touch base like ten years later kind of thing, and you go, whatever happened to our friendship. The story that they've told themselves about your relationship will be wildly different than the story that you have told yourself about the relationship. And that's why, like marriage counseling is so difficult, is because you two have told your own stories about what marriage is and what your relationship is, and then you're going to counseling and you're battling realities. Yeah, you have this reality that's been reality. No, this is this is reality. Yes, and your brain just goes okay, yes, yeah, crazy. There's a therapist that I listened to a lot right now, and he talks about I think I think calls it the twenty six year old syndrome. I don't know if this is a real thing or his own thing, okay, but basically he talks about He says it's really common. He says, I see it a lot in like the hustle grind culture. Like young men in their mid twenties where they pick up this entrepreneurial mindset and they spend so much time thinking and dreaming about the future where they make it as an entrepreneur and they're bringing in millions a year, and in their head, they have built this story and they spend so much time thinking it that they believe they're there. But the reality is they're making less than thirty thousand a year. They have four roommates and they can't make rent. But they are going out and they're behaving like they're making a million dollars a year. And so they're going and their partying and they're doing bottle service and they're doing all this stuff they are. They get an internal resentment that they aren't getting the respect. Yes, because they believe they've earned it, because they've spend so much time thinking are the dreaming, they at least believe that they will be that person eventually. I think what's it called being a temporarily embarrassed millionaire? Yes, yea and so, and that's where a lot of those people end up fifty and still embarrassed behind Yeah, yeah, because they never got serious about Yeah. It's important to have dreams and have a vision and direction of where you're going. But it's also important to recognize where you are right now and not behave as if you're there and say, okay, how what's what's how do I cross that bridge? I was just thinking that about this the other day. How much time we've done on this episode we got We're about fifty nine minutes ros we gotta wrap this thing I'm suing. Are we almost done with the episode? Yeah? You tell me what you're gonna say. No. I was just thinking about the other day about how no one envisions their future worse than their reality right now, and like everyone just assumes next year, I'll be more fit than I am now, Next year will be better, next year, I'll make more money than I do right now. Ten years from now, I'll be happier than I am right now. And people assume that we will drift into that position, yep and so. But that's the difference is the number of people


The Secret Space Program conspiracy theory is certainly one of the more outlandish ones out there. At its core, it involves the idea that a secret human civilization and space program has operated mostly in secret since the late 1800s. This all traces back to a fictional novel written under a pseudonym by a woman named Maria Orsic in 1871. … Read More

How Cheating Won Him the Biggest Game Show Prize Ever

08-06-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, today we're talking about the Press Your Luck Scandal, a guy named Michael Larson who learned how a game show worked and exploited that also gotten into some pretty neat scams. Neat Is that the way you would describe as scams? It's the way I would. Anyways, this is a comedy podcast. We're gonna laugh a whole bunch. There's some serious parts in here, but the majority of this you're gonna learn a little bit. You're gonna laugh, Hopefully you're gonna laugh, or you're just gonna be annoyed with us. Hey, make sure you hit that like subscribe button, hit the bell icon, all this stuff that YouTubers say, and let's check out this episode. Hey man, what's up? Hey? Have you ever heard of Michael Larson? Michael Larson, Michael Larson. You might know him by his other name, Paul Michael Larson, or do you might know him by his other name, which is more of the less of a name, more of what he's known for The Press Your Luck Scandal, Press Your I have heard of him? Have you heard of this? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, game was yeah yeah, yeah, forget about it. I forget that. I'll forget. I'll forget, forget about forget about it. He went like on stage covered in bandages, right, and no one wanted to call him out on it, and they were like, this is normal. Yeah with Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, which is crazy because of the seventies. She was really young at the time. Yes, okay, so what happened? Yeah? So Michael Larson, he this is him. He was born in Lebanon, Ohio, and he was pretty sure. If it's in Ohio they call it Lebanon. Same we would call it Lebanon here in Missouri. I don't think. Yeah, that drives me crazy. I never call it Lebanon. That's wrong in Missouri. We have Lebanon in Nevada. Yeah, both instead of Nevada and infuriate me. Both of them infuriate me. You should talk to someone about the things that make you mad, you know, because sometimes I call you and I go, this is crazy, shouldn't isn't this insane? And you're like, I mean yeah, Like the things that don't make you mad are more concerning whenever you put them next to the stuff that does make you mad. Nevada, Lebanon, the McDonald's, that the Grand Canyon, costing freaking price. It's like the hurricane right now. But what you know, the hurricane and the car warks and the Caribbean right now. Oh sorry, Hurricane Barrel. You mean to make a joke about an actual disaster. There's a hurricane going through the Caribbean right now, and it's about to make landfall in Jamaica. I don't know if this is true. I saw something yesterday. Someone said that they were trying to get their family out of there, and Jet Blue is charging thirty eight thousand dollars for tickets out of Jamaica. Really, yeah, which is infuriating because that's Ruggan the same thing McDonald's was doing the gris. Have I told her I've done the chicken thing on here before. Have I talked about how my mom's got bad ideas? No, my mom, and she listens to this and I don't care, And I've told her she's Actually she started to come around on this too. Though. Is that she she's of the like the libertarian position where it's like we should be able to barter chickens. Oh yeah, you know I'm talking about where she's just like I want if I want to pay the doctor and chickens I should be able to pay the doctor and chickens. And I was like, but the problem is that does do But no, but the doctor asks you how many chickens you've got, and then then you go, I've got ten chickens. The doctor's are great, well I want eight of them. Yeah, and it's like, that's a lot of my chickens. And then she goes, we just go to a different doctor, and I said, yeah, sure, sure, sure. But that doctor called the other doctor and was like, hey, I said eight chickens, so don't undercut me. Well that that doctor was like, hey, I see a patient coming from your doctor's office. What do you think the world is? This is still the current world. I see the patient coming from your doctor's office. Would you happen to know? And this might sound crazy, but I just kind of know how many chickens they have. They got ten, Gray, I'm gonna ask for nine. What'd you ask for? I said eight, but but nine could probably get it at this point. Now, if they come back, I'm gonna say nine. If they give you the nine, give me the extra one as a finder's fee. The so many ideas that exist of people who are just like we should abolish the education system. They don't understand what it means or the idea of people who are like, you know, life was probably better in the eighteen hundred or whatever. Even why New York watching any medieval time pieces whatever, Like we're watching life was not better. We're watching Game of Thrones. Yes, my wife is like at a documentary if we lived in this time, I know, but I'm saying, like it's a it's a good visualization of what the point is that she goes, Oh, if we lived in this kind of time era, I would love to live in a castle like that, Like you wouldn't live in it? No, Yeah, that would suck. You would live in one of the huts. Yeah, where the water runs down the street from the castle. That's where you would live. But also living in the castle versus where we live now. If you live, if you live apartment now, your life is ready to kill you at any point. True. That's also how every single conflict ends. Every time. If you're just out for a walk and you run across strangers, you both have to be like, are we gonna kill each other? That's not the world lives Okay, I'm saying that the world we live in everyone can read in our current society, and a lot of people are like, we should, we should abolish the education department. And You're like, you're not understanding what it would mean to live in a society where everyone is that basic ability to read. Yeah, yeah, what are you talking about? I saw this thing yesterday and I'm curious how you answer this. Would you rather live now at let's say, just the average income today? Okay, is that the average income in the US today? Or would you rather be the richest person on earth? Like? At what point? As being the richest person on earth not be as good as being at the average income? Now? Like, what's the earliest? What's the answer? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what question I'm asking right now? If I'm not as lived in the seventeen hundreds and you were the richest person on earth, Yeah, right, that's a different lifestyle than being the richest person on earth now, Yes, absolutely, yes, because in eighteen seventy yeah right, ninety three percent of the world lived in extreme poverty. Okay, now that number is less than eight percent. Yes, so we have we've literally flipped the scale on this. Yes, But prior to eighteen seventy with all the technological advances, the Industrial Revolution, all the stuff that has happened to our world, you know, the connected world that we live in now, the lifestyle that you can live. Obviously, rich people live in sane lifestyles, right, but they still have an iPhone. I have an iPhone. The phone that Jeff Bezos has is not better than my phone. Well it's not, though, the tax in it is. Do you think it is. Do you think he's got a better a secret Amazon phone that they haven't released yet. Oh? Sure, kidding, But I got an iPhone? Ye, yeah, you know. And so there are those kind of like small luxuries that are pretty equal across the red Yes, okay, being the richest person in the seventeen hundreds meant that you might have might have a little bit more food, yeah, yeah, you know, yes, and like air conditioning didn't exist still, yeah yeah. And it was also determined by the number of people that you owned. And there were different elements of being the REI So Rockefeller, how much money Rockefeller had adjusted for inflation or like that, how much he actually had. I don't know how much one hundred million dollars billionaires did not exist then, but he was the richest person in the world. His his his wealth was I forgue which person is the DP was but insane. But I'm saying prior to eighteen seventy ninety percent of the world living in extreme poverty meant that there really was like the one percenters were in like everything that you can say, all of our founding fathers, the leaders that we that formed our country were all the elites of the elites of the elites. And now I guess I try to think of that stuff because I'm trying to be more grateful for what I do have instead of because we do live in a consumer society where it's just like everything you see on TikTok is you're not content. Well, I mean, did you listen to the was was It? Podcast where they were talking about it was the British guy in Propertyes podcast, whatever his name is, but they were talking about how more and more people are not buying homes and housing is a thing that most people, if you polled most millennials and Gen Z, they would say that's something they may never get to half right. But the top reality shows on Netflix are the luxury Realtors. Yes and so seeing the wealth gap that exists there is pretty crazy, but it's still the wealth gap that exists now is still hugely, vastly, incomprehensibly different, yes, than it was in the eighteen hundreds, And I think that that fact is something that a lot of people are just like, you know, I'm trying to be more grateful that when I go to sleep at night, I have an air conditioner that I can run all night. It's going to cost me an extra twelve cents to run it. Yeah, you know, it is pretty interesting in our society, the way it's set up. Like I think back to evangel when I lived in the dorm and I had one half of a small room was mine and I was pretty content with that. And now I bought a house and honestly, probably three months later, I was like, ah, man, I wish we had another room. I thought that today when I was driving to get breakfast, I was like, you know what I miss how big my apartment was in Kansas City, Yeah, which it wasn't huge. Yeah, but now where we're at now, it's like, man, if I just had like a little bit extra space, you so quickly adjust art yeah, and you want more and so that is That's what I'm saying when like there's this consumer demon that has land. Okay, you know, you know, I don't want to call like a spirit, but like something that has Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying all of us, Yeah, the desire for And a large part of that is I really did like the Book of Slashing towards Utopia. So much of that was the progress that happened between eighteen seventy uh and then it because that book goes like, decade by decade, how we got here. I think you're right, it's definitely read the rate of progress that existed. But in the last one hundred and fifty years, we as people got conditioned to believe that that rate of progress just normal, is normal, and in fact that it's going to speed up, it's going to continue to grow faster, and we'll go, yeah, this is this is what humans do. Where it's like, actually, the fact is that humans have not done that ever, for every part of existence, except for the part that we forgot back before the Egyptians got conquered and then went moved to actual Egypt and restarted. Is this a correct timeline that the Pyramids for the Roman Empire. The Pyramids were older to the Romans than the Romans are to us. Yes, yeah, that's pretty That's what I'm saying. That rate of technological advancement to then get to the nineteen hundreds, the nineteen hundreds is the most insane century that has existed for Americans, for humans humans period. Yeah. Wild Yeah, So we cannot we cannot comprehend end we went from cars not existing to people arguing whether or not we pants on horses in just fifty years for real though, And that is where a lot of this stuff I just go, like, you know, when people are arguing online, I go cut up, like when when we look at the big picture here, Yeah, it's less it's just stupid anyways. So my question was would I would rather normal income now than to be the richest person? The question is the question is what is the oldest year in history, Like how far back would you go to where you'd be, like, I'd rather be the richest person in the world at that year. That could be the averages person through the fifties and sixties. That'd be pretty tight. Nineteen fifties the first year you would rather be the richest person alive than be an average person today. No, No, what's the first year you would be the richest person. I'm trying to think of when the average income was Like fine, I mean, but I'm mom. Also, we're answering this as two straight white males, so I feel like, yeah, that's still a bit different for the context that is. Yeah, that's also fair probably the two thousand and eight financial cris Yeah for me, it's nineteen oh two. Nineteen oh two, Yeah, why that was the year air conditioning wasn't mented. I want I want to go before. That's what I'm thinking. I wouldn't want to live. But I also like like cars, like driving, Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean they had the model T then you can model t it up. Sure, but I hear those breakdown lot. But I'm saying that again, and I'm it wouldn't matter if you were the richest person in the world if the rest of society is truly like desolate. Yeah you know, yeah, And so I think that because what are you buy in? What do you got to buy? You're spending your money? Do we have to buy at that point? Right? Yeah? Where's all the steak where's all the what, where's all the steak, I'm so rich. There's no steak saying that the luxury life they were living was not very luxury compared to today's state, today's luxury. That's the question. That's the question is like, at what point do you feel like it would be worth not having the average life today? Right? Right? I mean, like, you know, we've stayed at some really nice hotels before, and it would be nice to be very, very wealthy. Well duh, yeah, yeah, there's always you can be the wealthiest person anytime and have a better life than what most people are living at that time. But I do agree that I don't know. I think I think if you go before easily, I think easily you go before eighteen fifty and you're the richest person in the world, your life today as an average person is better than the richest person in eighteen fifty and behind. That's interesting. Yes, I would, I would say yeah, because there's no air conditioning, and then there's less fear even as the richest person. Yes, And so I was going to say indoor plumbing, all that stuff, it's actually just general security. Yeah, Because again what I've said is that before is if you are the richest person, people are coming. Everyone's trying to kill you, even your own family, right. Yeah, and like, uh, rich people used to just have piles of gold and they could just come to your house and they can kill you. And literally they can't take my offshore accounts. Yeah for many people who can do that as Sweden. Uh. Anyways, you got to talk about this. That's why I don't ride the matterhorn ride at Disney Money. Dude, Oh you're friend. Yeah yeah, I thought, okay, that makes more sense for my money. In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like, hey, sign up for grammarly and use code tilling, and we got like fifteen cents. And now we just do Patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators, it's better for you as listeners, and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on Zoom. We just hang out and play games online and uh and get know each other. It's a really fun time. So, but do you still use our code tilling at grammarly dot com because I think it's still we might get like a couple of cents from that, But join us on Patrion because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're gonna have to start doing mobile game ads. Okay, So Larsen, Michael Larson, Paul Michael Larson sometimes goes by, normally goes by Michael Larson. He he was a guy who he was here's the thing. Born in Lebanon, Ohio. That's how we got here. Cow. Sorry, So he was a guy who had his life gone a little different, we would look back on the story I'm about to tell you and say, wow, he was a mogul from the start, but because of the way his life went, you're gonna be like, he kind of sucked from the start. Interesting. So at an early age, he always was running in to just different opportunities to try to make a buck. And so for example, when he was a kid, he would buy candy bars and mark him up an extra dollar and sell it to all the kids in his neighborhood. And he was an entrepreneur. He was the entrepreneur. That's what I'm saying is, had his life turned out a little different, people would be like he was always destined to be a successful person, but because his life turned out the way it turned out, everyone's like he was always destined to be a trash back. We'll find out where I end up. We still got a lot of time. So he graduates high school, goes through his life in the eighties. He's working by day, he's repairing AC units and on the weekends. On the weekends, he's an ice cream truck driver, and he spends all of his free time in his living room doing his favorite passage. I talked about my ice cream truck driver on here before might talked about and they drove my ice cream drunk. I'm pretty sure because I'm pretty sure I told this story about my parents. Ice cream truck driver. Oh yeah, he would pull people over and stuff. That's right, Yeah, what was your I didn't have a thumb. Oh that's right, it was Mario. Yeah, yeah. And he would have a different story about how he lost his thumb every time, every time he brought it up, because he didn't remember. You're a kid, you bring it up, your kid, You go, Mario, Mario, your thumb. I put it in. One day, I would be at my house and he hit he hit my neighborhood in the morning, and then we would go to Grandma's house. That afternoon and he would have made it across town. Yeah, and you'd be like, I could go see Marios and he'd ask him about the thumb the second time, the same thing, different story, terrifying song. Sure. So he would spend the rest of his time doing his favorite past time, which was a little insane. This is the eighties, okay. Okay, TV's are not what we think they are today. Picture of TV today. They're super flat and yeah, like thousand and four give game and towards it, they were huge. You went to like a friend's basement and they had that massive TV and the speaker was as big as the screen below it. Yeah, why and you turn it to one hundred, it's still quieter than our to the speaker watching insane. Yeah. So, uh, he doesn't have those. He's got like eighties tube TVs, right, sure, but he's got a wall of fifteen of them stacked on top of each other in his living room. And what he would do in his free time. He had fifteen tube TVs, five three rows of five, and he stacked him up on top of each other. So he had fifteen TVs. Okay, And he'd get home from his shift of ice cream diving. You go on a date and he's like, let me cook your dinner in my house. And so you, as a woman, walk into that living room. Do you a what? I think? Wow, this guy's a psychopath. Last that you would stay, you know, like, how long until you go? I'm out of here. I'm out of here. So what he would do is he would come home from a shift of ice cream trucking. Ice wrote, ice cream truckers. You a TV? Yeah, I got a couple. Wait a minute, I got some, And then he made his way to Richmond, Virginia. So he he'd come home from his ice cream truck shift, turn on all fifteen TVs. This is him, you turn all fifteen TVs. I'm with you. And he turned on all the fifteen TVs to different game shows, and he would watch all fifteen and he would study them for strategies that he could easily exploit. And you just sit there and watch, and then one day he found his victim. Press your luck. There's a game show in the eighties, and the concept of the game show, like many other game shows, that started with trivia, and there would be there would be a series of trivia questions and each trivia question you got right, you would earn three spins on the press your luck board that would come and face be of the game. Okay, and so you and the contestants, so you got to know the trivia, Yeah, you and the contestant would answer trivia questions and then all of you would earn your spins for your right answers at least three if you won, or I guess at least zero. But if you got at least one question right, you'd have to spins. To be clear, though, before we get to this, he's spending his evenings. He's an ice cream truck driver. Yeah, who's then going home? It's dark, Yeah, you know the TV glow scene. He's just sitting there, probably a pint of ice cream and just you're not exaggerating it up. He's watching fifteen tube TVs. So his head is on a swivel. He's doing have you seen the the what's that lifeguarding technique called have you seen that where people think of people think they're robots, dude, where they're doing the whole like it's the craziest thing in the world. The way they're moving their head. They look like birds. Birds are lifeguards. So and then so you'd answer all your questions, every one you got right. You get three spins on the board and the board looks like this, and what would happen is the board would spin and they would light up, but you don't see like it doesn't show you what each of those categories are before you hit them. They just have the icon on it. So this is a flipped board. It shows you everything on the board. Oh okay, cooky. But so then it lights up and you have a button and when you push the button, it stops. It's a spinner and whatever you land on is your prize. And so there's a lot of cash prizes fifteen hundred, five hundred dollars, and then there are like go back two spaces, so you get whatever was two spaces before. There's trips. There is often like cars or appliances. Yeah, I was like Australia, there, Jamaica. And then there's these little demons. Yeah, and they call that the whammy and this is the whammy. And what Whammy did is Whammy took all of your money. And so some of the whammies looked different, they all had different animations. But whenever you got the Whammy, he would show up on screen like this and whammy all your cash. Well, however much you won, he took all of your prizes away. Okay, little mister whammy. They're like little bowling animations kind of Yeah. Everyone looks so sad. Yeah, because you because you you lost it all. At any point you could hit a wammy and lose everything you've got before. Sure. And so he's watching this this game, and he's pretty good at trivia. He watches a lot of game shows fifteen a night to be precise. Uh, and so he's pretty good at trivia. He knows a lot of trivia. It's like, I feel pretty confident I can get fifteen different channels happening. I don't know if there are different channels. I think he had VCRs and he was recording programs and thank you for counting in your head to make sure you do all fifteen. It's pretty annoying. Stop stop stop. I didn't rewind him. I didn't rewind that one. You got fast forward to the commercials. So he he want he studies this game and he's like, he's like, I'm pretty good at trivia. I think I can get every question right and get a lot of spins. He's that the question is how good can I spin? So he's watching these this thing go around, and everybody believed that where these prices ended up was random, and but he realizes there was five patterns of where they would place different prizes, and they would alternate throughout the game. And so if then when the game starts, he could pick up what pattern he was on and know exactly what square does stop on to get the highest price. And so he basically figured out that in any given pattern, square four and square eight were always large cash prizes. Okay, so he said, if I can land on square four or land on square eight, then I win. He also identified where the whammis always land and so he knows exactly where the wammies always are. He knows what to avoid, and he says the only the hardest thing is getting used to the rate to hit that button, to figure out the timing of that button. But he really believes, He's like, he's like, I know where this is going to be. I think I can do good at this. And so he spends his entire savings to get a bus ticket from Lebanon, Ohio. His whole savings was worth a bus let's just start there. First of all, it's not any bus tickets. A bus ticket from Ohio to Burbank. So, I don't know, this is the eighties. Fifty bucks, I don't know. I don't know how much it costs to ride a bus and how much it costs a fly. Yeah in the eighties though. Anyway, So he rides this bus from Lebanon, Ohio thirty eight thousand dollars. I said, because their price, GOUG is get back to Kansas City. They know that this podcast exists, and they're like, oh man, they're filming the next big thing. So support is on page. They're ten years into filming the next bab. So he gets out there, and he had two issues once he got to town. Okay, one, he didn't have any clothes that were television ready appropriate. I don't know, the chest cut out you worry about. You had to buy a suit. Yeah, so he had to buy a suit, but he didn't have a lot of money. Everyone in the eighties wore suits on game shows. Yeah, you had to look nice. And so he went to thrist store in Los Angeles and he managed to get a dress shirt for sixty five cents, which is equivalent to a dollar ninety one and twenty twenty three, So inflation didn't hit the thrust store's shirt market very hard. Sure, and so he gets out dress shirt and now he has to get on the show, Like that's the thing. You don't just show up and they're like, yeah, welcome, you be on the show. You have to ear in it. And so so he shows up. You gonna sing for three judges and get a gold ticket? What are you talking about, mayor? I'm going to press your luck. Let's see what you got. Let's see what you're made of. Oh, put some pants on that horse, and I will not taller rate the newded iceo here in all the USA. Oh pants, And they're like, all right, go ahead, Like I didn't know you were part of the society. You should have said something else. You could be on my Oh no, they're saluted. Oh oh, so he uh he shows up to the like auditions, and the auditions were basically are you a personality? Yeah? Yeah, I mean they're kind of aren't are you personally? But it was more of like what's your story? Can we craft your story? And so he tells them I'm an ice cream truck driver from all I I spent the last of my money getting to LA and buying this shirt. And they were like, it's a great story, back of the SOB story we need, And so they put him on the show. People needn't know how poor you are? Is that okay for us as hell? So they put him on the show and they tell his story. Here he is in his sixty five cent shirt. Yeah, how old is he in this the time he's doing this? I you know, that's an interesting question. I think he would have been in his early thirties. That's what I was. That's what Google What year he's born? He was born in forty ninety nine. What year is this? This is eighty three November, thirty four years old. Just so people can know we're prety, we're thirty. This man is thirty thirty four years old. Dang, the next forty years are going to be rough, bro, If anything like your last Yeah, this is what you look like at thirty four, if you spend every night watching fifteen TVs and eating a PI device like a thirty four. If I didn't, I didn't look like he mentally abused in a relationship ten years ago. So see, bullying is good I got emotionally abused into losing a hundred pounds. I'm very happy on my marriage now. Oh my gosh, that's incredible. So the way this game worked, it was kind of like Jeopardy. There was always two new contestants in the returning Champion, and so he's in the middle. He's standing in the middle, and to his left is the returning Champion. Ed Long, who lives in California, got an advantage to have to drive very long. He's a Baptist minister. On his left is Janny Lee tres This is her first appearance. She's a dental assistant. This is her first time and the first question and has been on before. Ed's been on. Yeah, he's the reigning champion. And to put it in perspective, like Jeopardy, where you can get you if you win, you go on to the next game over there kind of perpetually until you lose. And to put it in perspective before we get too far into this, the average winner on this show walked away with about fourteen thousand dollars in prizes between cash and like, appliances and travel, about fourteen thousand dollars value, which adjusted for inflation today is about forty grand today, so like a pretty big like sizable winning on average on this show. And so in this first question round he gets a question correct, so he gets three spins. And so this is his first time out. He's trying to learn the rate, and he knows right off the bat. He says, I need to avoid square seventeen, and I think it was square two because he knows that in this round with the pattern, those are going to be the the whammys. Well, he nails square seventeen, gets the whammy first round, and this this is his actual genuine reaction to that they're pulling a fast one up. But I know this route better than I know my ice cream truck route, and I know that they're playing a little game. They're playing a little gamy with me. I bought this shirt sixty five cents. Uh, so we're not going to get anything past this thirty four years of experience. So luckily his first spin was a whammy, and so he didn't lose anything. He just lost the spin. But he's frustrated about it, but he knew now he's like, he's like, okay, I think I got an idea of like the touch and so he hits his second two spins. His second spin he lands on square four and then his or no, he lands on the square for the next two spins, which get him a total twenty five hundred dollars equivalent to seventy three hundred and today today. Sure, and so a pretty decent first round. Out second round he does a lot better than the trivia and he lands himself seven initial spins. It's a good a good round. And so he started in last place on this round because he had that whammy. So the other two people are ahead of him coming into this this next round, and at twenty five hundred, he's in last place. They're ahead of him. He comes into this second round with seven spins. And here's the way the game works. There's also certain on the second places. One spin, Yeah, where you get cash, you also get another spin, right, And so he knows those are like like we talked about before, hit those four and eight you can get not only cash, but you also get spins. Sure, And so he goes and he gets seven spins, and throughout the course of those seven spins, he gets fifteen additional spins. Okay, so he's now at a point where he's got twenty five spins so far on the game, and uh, he's landing. The video of him doing this, by the way, I've seen the video is pretty fun to watch because he collaps like a psychopath. He hits it and he goes, yeah he does. He does thirty four and has nothing else to live for. Yeah, this is this is it. Remember, this is this is what thirty looks like years old. Okay, So he's going and he's nailing these spins. If you're listening to this, by the way, and you're thirty four, he looks like you up until uh uh spins sixteen sixteenth spin. He's a little all over the place. He hasn't quite dialed it, and so he's hitting four and eight a lot. But he also manages to hit six once, which got him twenty two hundred dollars, So that was a decent one. He hit seven twice, and through those two seven number seven boards he got twenty six hundred. He hit seventeen that first time was a whammy, but in the second round, seventeen is no longer a whammy, and so's two. He hit two more times and ends up getting thirty three hundred. Dollars from the whammys and so by six spin six seventeen from seventeen yeah, and then at spin sixteen he then goes on a run of twenty nine additional spins, and on those twenty nine additional spins, the only two numbers he hits his four and eight, which are the two highest number. Like prizes, you can think the producers are watching, they are losing their mind. They are in the they are in the truck and they are yelling at their like, hey, hey, kill him, pull the gun. This is why we have the gun on set, going out and shoot him right now. That is for this shoot dis man. There's an assassin on set. Oh no, people are fainting. Everyone's getting out here. Great television. And so he goes on this run and he essentially gets the point where he spends forty five times, and at this point they're not letting him on the next That's what I'm saying. They're not like, you know what you won? Yeah, you get to come back tomorrow. Hey, if you're enjoying this episode, a great way you can help us out as by sharing it. Send it to your friends. Click that share link, send them the link and say Hey, this is a little show that I watched sometimes, and I think you might like to watch sometimes and your friends will say this is weird, but it's okay. There'll eventually start laughing at it. I think maybe it depends what kind of friends you have. If you have someone, I hope you do, this is a great way to help. He's at this point obliterating his opponents, like literating his opponents. So at this point, here's where he's at. This is right before his sin, this is right after spin forty five he hits it. And this is the totals of the game. One hundred and two thousand. Yeah, and so which is how much today, adjusted for inflation today, that one hundred and two thousand is equivalent to three hundred and one thousand, six hundred and thirty five dollars in today's cash. And so to his left Ed has four thousand and eighty and to his right, Janas has forty six hundred, and he has one hundred and two thousand. And if you're listening, this picture, this picture is perfetible. Ed is Ed thinks hilarious. Ed is like laughing in his face. He's a little annoyed. Janice is is fury is so angry, so mad, because I want you to think, for a second, we're in this game show. We did a round of questions. We did a round where everyone got five or six spins, and now we did a round a question standing there and then you just stood there and watched this guy spind forty five times and he just keeps getting more spins. Uh. And so after this round he wins, he wins it. He's celebrating the hands out like this, and how does it end? I mean, if you're hitting over and over, the idea is that you don't. That's the idea is eventually you run out of spins, is the rules of the game. But it's like, you keep going until you run out of spins. And so I'm saying, how did he run out of spins? Well, here's what happened. So he gets to this forty he spins forty five spins, and he in an interview afterwards, he says, I remember that moment. I was just so drained and I realized I forgot where the whammys were. And he's like, I'm looking at the board and he's like, I don't know where the whammys are and so there was an option in the game where you could pass your spins along if you didn't want to risk anymore because because because for a normal player who doesn't know where the wammis are, you at any time are risking that you're going to hit a raammy, and so you could pass it along. And so he says, I figured I would pass my spins over to the other boarder players, and so they both got his remaining spins, and so each of them get the remaining Edlong's first spin hits a whammy, back to zero. Janie gets a couple spins, and so it bounces to Janis. Now Janis has a couple spins, up hits a couple, and then on the last spin that she inherited from him, she hits a whimmy. Both of them walked away with a zero, and he walked away with one hundred and two thousand dollars adjusted for three hundred and one thousand dollars in today's cash. So you know, the producers are like, he's done, He's done. You're exactly right. The producers are losing their mind. They like, the network heard about this, and the network's now on the phone. They heard about it. Yeah, the networks on the phone with the producers and they're like trying to figure out. They're like looking through the rules, they're like, how can we make it to where we don't have to give this guy with killing and so they makeus we don't have to pay him, Yeah, because they don't want to give him that much money because that's a lot of money for the show. That's a lot. That's the way of a higher budget for the season. Yeah, that's it. I mean that is basically eight shows worth of eight episodes worth of prizes that they did in one day. And so they spent a long time looking over the footage, looking over the rules to try to figure out, well, there's nothing he did technically wrong. What they started to figure out is they saw that he hit four and eight over and over again, and they were like, there's no way someone knew. Yeah, but that's on them for not making it actually random in court. I don't think that holds up. So they knew they said something's up because he could just keeps hitting four and eight. He knows to hit sequence. But that's still on you, like something's up. So they watched, they watched this religiously. They went to his house. They put the tape on his fifteen TVs and they stood there watching all fifty They said, thanks for having all these fifty TVs, thanks for having us over. We've got fifteen tapes we want to show you, and it's just uh. So they watched the tape over and over, and what they realize is that he squence. Well, what they realize is that there he was reacting a split second early, so before he would know he was reacting, and so that he knows what's coming up because he's reacting before we reveal what's happening, figured out the sequence. Yeah, And so they tried to use that to not pay him, but they went to the legal department, and the legal department was like, that doesn't that's not cheating, that's not he's not there's nothing in the rules that says you can't learn the order that the thing goes. And so you still are like, you still have to pay him, right, And so he ends up getting paid. He owes thirty thousand in taxes on this on these winnings, but still walks away with seventy grand in the nineteen eighties, and so he goes on from there, moves back to Ohio. He invests half of it in a real estate venture that turns out to be a Ponzi scheme, loses all of that and then Bitcoin, and then he learns on the radio that there was a the Sweet Stakes that the radio station was doing where every day they were going to read out a dollar bill the serial number on a dollar bill. If your dollar bill matched, then they were going to give away half a million dollars thirty. He took all of his cash out of the bank. Yeah, he took all the cash out of his bank and left it in his house and would check those every morning on a serial number. And someone found out about it and robbed him and took all the cash. Uh. The theory because you can't have your tangible money. That's wild that we say, yeah, I know, I can't have your tangible money in your in your house thirty thousand cash and the leading theory it's never been like actually connected, but the leading theory. He was dating a girl at the time, they were actually living together, and they went out for a date. The money went missing. A week later, she breaks up and never see sure. So everyone's like, yeah, she's still have fifteen TVs and thirty thousand dollars in your bathtub every day he's in the bathtub, like looking at all the serial numbers. This is That's the stupidest thing I've ever like, that's so dumb. Yeah, like just you have thirty thirds, Like this is what I'm saying. Okay, here's what I'm saying. If I had thirty thousand dollars, Yes, we could turn that into more money. Yes, okay, yes could We're not dumb. Yes. The fact that you would pull it out in cash and try to win a sweepstakes, yeah, it's just like yeah, okay, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Uh So from there stresses me out. What are you doing? Just buy don't don't get a robin Hood account, don't try to buy a hot stock. Just put some of it in a high yield savings accounts so you have access to it and then put the rest in some index funds and grow it. And like, could you look up if you invested thirty thousand dollars in nineteen eighty five, how much that would be worth now you were in type A little harder? Thank you. Let's see if this is actually gonna calculate. Okay, cool? Are you on how many seven thirty sevens dot com. So thirty thousand invested in nineteen eighty five. If you put it in MA S and P and just let it sit in the SMP, it's worth two point one today two point one dollars. That's pretty crazy. No, but that's what I'm saying. It is just like, oh, it's hey. I don't know if it's the unnamed energy drink that refuses to sponsor me or the stress of the situation, but it's given me heart palpitations, that's for sure. So after that, after he lost his money, yeah, he became a job, or he became a job. He started working at Walmart and climbed the ranks to assistant manager. I worked there for a few years and then imagine losing Oh my gosh. Anyway, and then he got into a really exciting new business and he actually got to the point where he had fourteen thousands. I like portfolios with the dollar bill. How are you reading the serial numbers? You got him like a Pokemon card. He's got like a freaking finder just want to say, a freeing binder. He's like, okay, let's see. Uh came imagine reading thirty thousand serial numbers every day. That's crazy. I don't think he did. They had to be like because he got them all one time. They're like, you know, sequence like so he has like duct tape on it that's written like, well, I didn't even know what a serial and I'm around a dollar bill is? Do you have a dollar bill? I haven't looked at a dollar bill since I was twelve. I haven't. I haven't had many cash and years. I got them all my offshore accounts an Apple page. So he gets into uh, he gets into a new business and so this is like uh ninety the early nineties, early nineties. He gets into a new business while he's the assistant manager at Walmart, and he ends up selling all of his shares in this business, which was an mlmuh and he sold out one point eight million dollars of his shares in this MLM and he pulled it all out cash. He has heard as she heard about this seemstakes. Now he joined an MLM. He joined an MLM, and he actually had shares. Yeah, he made one point eight out of this one point eight million dollars out of the MLM was adjusted for inflation, it's three point six million today, I don't know what MLM it was actually, but it was enough for the FBI, the IRS, the Security and Exchange Commission all to say, excuse me, what CA And so they charged him with fraud uh and UH stealing. Okay, because because he scammed fourteen thousand investors to get into this MLM. I don't know if he came up with it or if it was a big name MLM. There's fourteen thousand people who got in on it, and he cashed out one point eight million dollars from it something. How do you cash out shares of an MLM. That's where I'm saying. I don't know what his involvement was in the CMLM. I just know that the FBI was like, you may one point eight million dollars doing something illegal, and so they came after him and he ran to a Popka, Florida, where he hit out for forty years and they did not find him. He ended up dying there in ninety years. Yeah, he spent four years in Apopka, Florida, with basically two million dollars. He died in ninety nine. He died in ninety nineties. Yeah, he died of throat cancer in ninety nine and there was an interview where there was an article that was put out about him in twenty eleven kind of telling his story, and they said his impressive performance on Press Your Luck may be one of the only honest days of work that Michael RS had ever did. So, yeah, he had I read my eulogy this morning. I did you know the thing that Yeah, yeah, the journal and I didn't I didn't put it in there about the MLM you're gonna do. Yeah, I hope that I live a life that at my funeral people aren't like, yeah, I mean the podcast was the only real thing he did real on his day of work he ever did. Yeah, but who knows, we got so much time to figure out who has so much time left to fraud artists to get scammy? So yeah, so he he had this this really high moment in the eighties, winning Pressure Luck. Yeah, they ended up having to release that episode in two parts. Was too long for a single episode, and they actually they after they aired that episode, they went to the network and they said, never rerun that, never rerun that. That's the only time that will ever air, And they actually negotiated when that went on to streaming services and stuff like that years later, and when that went to like TV Land, any other network, it was part of the contract, you cannot play this episode. This episode is not included in this package. Didn't want anyone to know that it was possible, and so they actually reworked the board after that. They made it signal sgnificantly harder, like there was now instead of five patterns, there's like forty, and so it's much significantly harder to pick up on the pattern and the patterns were a little bit more randomized, but not more randomized. And he actually called the game show and I'm he called the Game show years later and he said, hey, he's like, I figured it out. Yeah, that's what he said. He said, he said, bring your champion. He said, let's do a tournament of champions. It's me Michael Larson. And like you hear like coffee cups drop in TV Land and they go, they've got it on speaker, they got his picture on the every phone's on TV and they're like, Michael Zychael. I haven't heard that name. They're all they're all thirty eight, So they sound like that. I haven't heard that name years because because they're angent yeah. Yeah. That's another thing about being rich though in nineteen oh two is that if you get sick, you got your dead. Mean, I think medicine is also pretty new, a pretty big factory in what Yeah, that's your point anyway, maybe we should figure out what years the best to be the richest. Anyway, But yes, so he called back and he was like, He's like, let's do a tournament of champions. You get your best best ever to play this game, and I'll play them. I'll beat them. I can learn your I learned your your your patterns. I can still win. And they're like, no, thank you, we don't we don't want to see it. We don't trust that. We don't believe you. And so they, I mean, they do believe you. That's why in two thousand and five the show wasn't running anymore. But in two thousand and five CBS did a special broadcast where they recreated the set and they brought on two of the best people that ever played the game. And two thousand and five, he had been dead for six years. They brought his brother showed up. They were like, what he's like the over exaggerated. They walk up, they walk up the two champions are like two of the best people that ever played. And then lastly our final guest, and then it was the undertaker of the he'd been buried in the cell and that's because the Sorry but no, they got his brother. They had his brother come and be him, but he wasn't as good. He wasn't anywhere near. Yeah, his brother lost contact with him decades ago because he got in all the scam stuff and his brother's family. I came into thirty thousand dollars and I turned that into two point eight million dollars. Oh I did was invest in SMP. Turns out that's all you needed to do. That all you need to do is put your money somewhere and forget about it. But not in your house. Don't don't forget it in your house unless you tell me about it. So that's a story of Michael Larson and how he he He had that was the biggest single winning on a game show in game show history and was a record until the late nineties when it was broken by someone on prices right, and then a few years later someone broke down on the prices right again, but adjusted for inflation, it's still far more because in the late nineties. I think the winning was like one hundred and forty thousand, and then then one after that was like one hundred and seventy thousand. But both of those, because there's so much more recent you adjusted for inflation, is not even close. Sure, he by far in terms of like actual buying power of his winnings is still It's pretty wild to me that Big Brother in the past couple of years was like, now it's seven hundred and fifty thousands, Just jump to a million, just take it all away twenty twenty four to go there, Yeah, jump to a million. Yeah. So, but also, let me be clearer for casting. I would do it if there was no money involved. Yeah, just so you guys, I would do it if you took seven hundred thousand dollars from me. Hey, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to play Big Brother. Do you understand? Do you understand? I just I love the idea. I learned your patterns. I know that I love the idea of you getting on Big Brother and winning, and I paid the plan finale night, I go to I gotta put this in the ATM right now before the recess. On finale night, the producers are sign that clip and they roll that clip and finale I'm coming after and they're like, this is legally said. You said, you said you'd pay. That's something those producers would do. They're vicious. They they're so and that's why I want to do It's so bad. I love them. So I I watch Big Brother for the producers. Yeah, starts in next. It's got to be starting soon. It's the seventeenth. Really, I haven't heard anything about it. It starts in like that's exciting, I mean not from now. It is probably middle You can join our discoord. We have a we have a channel where we talking about Big Brother. But anyway, Yeah, I love toilers and real stuff. So I love real life. I'm such a fair it's so high on real I love real life anyway. Yeah, so that's Michael Larson Paul. Michael Larson was the biggest winner and maybe the biggest so shout out to him. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, you might like Stephan Mendel. It's an episode we did a couple of years ago about a guy who figured out the math to lotteries and just one over and over again. It is a wild story. You got to check that out. And if you want to see next week's episode right now, you can do that by becoming a Patreon supporter, and you can do that at tillin dot com slash support, or just become a subscriber and then you can see every episode as soon as they come out. We have so many past episodes. You can dive down the deep dive. I make sure you leave a comment like subscribe all the stuff that user say YouTubers say, and we'll see you next week on Things I Learn last night


In the 1980s, Michael Larson became an overnight celebrity when he appeared on the game show Press Your Luck and set the record for the biggest single-day winnings in game show history. Larson, an ice cream truck driver from Ohio, didn’t become the king of Press Your Luck by chance. He had carefully studied the patterns of the game board … Read More