Would You Believe You Went to Space? These People Did | Space Cadets Ep 260

02-11-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 like hey, how gold were you? Would you be able to be convinced that you've been in space for five days when I'm really you've been on a TV set and a wooden box the whole time? That's exactly what this reality show did in two thousand and five in the UK. They put nine contestants in a fake Russian space simulator sent three of them to space, but all on they were just in a studio in a box faking it. Are you smarter than a space cadet 00:26 This is things I learned last night each week. We learned about an interesting topic, an interesting story and we're laugh a lot along the way. So if you're here for this topic and you're like I don't want anybody, I don't want no jokes, no laughter. I hate joy. You're going to love this. We're so serious. This is the best, so when does this come out? 00:44 February, eleven, February, eleventh. Hey, at the end of this month, I'm in Chicago for three days, February, twenty eight, March, first and March, second. I am in the Chicago area, different different little spots, Cagalan, Chicago land, so I would love to see it one of those shows. All my tour dates are on my website, jenny Myers, dot com slash shows. Please come to those. Please come to those. I need you to come to them because if you don't, it's a bummer. 01:14 We'll see you there. All right. 01:19 Oh hey man, what's going on? Oh you know we're just here at a space Tim's corporate conference. You know I thought this when we did this. You don't have to make it like a weird thing. You're gonna be like oh we're here in this. I just freaking is no one care. I care and I think they I think they to two. I think people look at the two to just what's the episode about to two. Okay, whatever I have you heard of the space cadets, the space cadets, space cadets. Are we talking about like actual space force? 01:49 No, well kind sort of space cadets are those little green guys in Toy Story, right? No, no, those are just aliens. They're not called they're not. I was I listen. Here's the here. We were talking about which sides of the internet we're on and you're like on the side of the internet. That's like I don't know, tunnel girl and what's the other thing you brought up. I don't know something weird. That's I watched a whole. I don't know probably six minute video 02:14 on how they chose the alien voice in fairly odd parents what okay, so there's an alien character in fairly odd parents who and they had the audition for it and everyone came in and did that and one guy when it came in it was like ah puny humans. What's up guys and they were like yeah we freaking like that because he just did something different did something that wasn't alien so 02:44 interesting, speaking of things that are different. We are in a different studio. I don't know if you guys know the room looks a little different because we had to mix up with the schedule and stuff, so we're in this now anyway, a business cast yeah yeah yeah yeah we're going to tell you how to get rich, so we're actually talking about stocks and investing today, not the space cadets cadets is our new coin and the logo from the the logo from it looks like looks like a coin 03:14 okay, okay, so I'm just going to I'm not going to bury the lead on this because I don't know if there's a way I could tell you this story without without the reveal sure. So here's the thing and speaking of reveals what what what we mean what what are you trying to do? What are you trying to we have some hard to share? Yeah, I think now's an appropriate time to do it. That's a good call that we're now that we've spent a lot of time covered a bunch of other stuff. 03:41 Yeah, I mean I finally finished Hello Neighbor, the video game and I'm really proud of my and also Tim's got yeah switch to is coming out so you can maybe they'll make in a Hello Neighbor to Hello Other Neighbor, tell your little fun. I'm going to be a dad. Yeah, we're having a little kid sure it's hers. Not actually there's no really solid proof so far there hasn't been anything to be obvious. Yeah, so episode come out 04:11 I don't know before your kid yeah for sure, for sure, definitely before that okay. No yeah in May, we'll have a little type of our own. That's awesome yeah. So now I have a dad sweatshirt. I mean I still don't know the gender of this child yeah, and I'm going to keep it that way. You're never going to find that I feel like I know just intuitively yeah, but I say it at the same time. We say the same time. I'd say it at the same time ready one 04:41 two three boy. You didn't do it. I wasn't going to say it because I don't want you to ever know I'm never going to ever know. I'll know in May. Let's see. Let's see what you will see. We'll see, but here's. This is why we brought it up. Okay, first of all, big news for Tim great cry. I told him I wanted to be Uncle Jaron and he took real problem with that. I didn't take a problem with that. I just said he does that's weird. His uncle, your is 05:09 we got it baby wait. Is it a boy? Are you having a boy for real? Are you having a boy for real? 05:22 I was genuinely planning on telling you fray. I would for real. Yes, we are God. I hate that you just that's awesome in yeah yeah that's great yeah. We're calling them Tim now pre. I threw that out and Bray was like absolutely not yeah. Why would you breathe straight up was like I hate that yeah yeah no yeah even name picked out all right. You don't have to say your name are here, but we have options. We haven't like yeah yeah 05:50 we kind of feel like start dogs name where we kind of feel like because we're worried. We kind of feel like we're going to let him choose. What do you want to be? No, we just got to feel like if we pick something, what if we look at him for the first time we're like? Oh, that name doesn't fit yeah, so we're not like committing to anything. Well, it also it's so much harder because your wife's a teacher. 06:15 Yeah that she knows there's a lot of association. You ruin so many names just because you go. I mean I love the name, you know all of her and then you go freaking kids. So you know I love the name Levi, I really leave. You know like my favorite name. You are ever have to do something off the wall and crazy just so that there's no annoying kid attached to it. Yeah, I always love Ted Kazinski as like a first thing, but then I found out about Ted Kazinski 06:49 yeah okay. First name is Ted Kaczynski, yeah, I go by Ted for short. It was so and I like and that's why I've waited to have kids yeah. You know yeah yeah, so I mean it's tough to name a name a boy. That's so exciting yeah wow yeah. I thought you I thought you would know because I think I've told you 07:15 the nursery is going to be Star Wars. Did I tell you that yeah? I kind of figured it out during that call. I think when you because we were facetiming when you were repainted and you painted it like green and I was like I when you painted a green that kind of threw me a little bit. I was like that could still we could go either way yeah yeah either way, but then the Star Wars wrapping paper care or the wallpaper came out and I was like oh man that's pretty wild. It is wild so now now 07:39 I've got to have a daughter in the next couple of years and then we just force them to be together so that you and I will never grow apart. Yeah, well, here's the deal. I think I don't know or honestly, who are we? You know if I got a son, who are we to judge? Yeah, you know, right. Either way, we got to force our kids to be together forever. Yeah, I mean here's the thing there. Here's a thing 08:05 by your logic, their brothers already by your logic. I have no no relationship with this kid at all where you're just like hey, I can't we can't wait to be an uncle and you're like why you're not related and I was like what are you talking about now? You made me feel like Tim acted like this is some uncommon weird thing that only people in the Midwest do and then I reminded him of a little show called how I met your mother where every character in that show is referenced as Uncle Marshall, Uncle Barney, Aunt Robin, 08:35 Do you think his kids are like oh dad? Why wait you love aunt Robin? That's your sister and then he's like guys she's not actually my sister and they're like what 08:46 My whole concept of the English language has broken down! 08:53 Yeah, I get that I get that after you called and we talked. You told Brie that I had to I had to go to your wife and we like Brie was like to be at all this right and I was like I was like really what I hated most is trying to push it off on her dude. I did not try to push it off her in that conversation. You were like you were like. I don't think Brie's going to go for it. I did not do that oh 09:22 You can't gas like me dude. I did not that's. I don't think she I didn't think she was going to go for that. What are you? See what happened in those two seconds right? Let's replay that right. I didn't do that. I didn't do to be fair. I didn't think she would go for it. That's why I said it. I didn't say it, but I didn't think she would do it. 09:45 because you said to me she's not going to go for that and then I go. You just said Brie wouldn't go for that and you're like I didn't say that I didn't say that to be fair. I did think that I did say it, but I didn't say that that's a stupid you sound right now. 10:00 you want to talk about the space could be a really good dad. I'm really proud of you and I'm so excited for you. I know this is right now after everything you just I do like and I wait. Even if you don't let me call myself uncle Jaron, I really cannot wait to invest in this kid's life and watch this kid grow and hopefully be a better influence in their life than you are. I hate a nice you because I do know the importance of having male role models and I also know that statistically your kid is more likely to listen to 10:30 an adult male friend than they are their own dad, and that's what I'm most excited for an uncle about you having a boy in an uncle is that I'll have more influence than you 10:43 all right. Let's talk about this. I don't think your wife's going to like that very much okay, so the space cadets yeah the space cadets December space. I'm just holding space for you and your new baby. 11:06 hate this December two thousand and five. Okay, the UK Edmonton UK Channel for producers, Zepetra came up with this show called Space Cadets. This was a group of producers. I gosh we don't have a TV in here today, but I really wanted to show you this picture. A matter of fact, I might just pull this up and turn this around so you can see this. Okay, they 11:36 they had a like incredible line of shows that they produced. Okay, they were on Big Brother, they or they produce Big Brother, they produced wife swap love what now those are two shows. I'd love to be on and 11:56 you let me say that. Why are you not really? Those are two shows I'd love to be on. I'd love to be on because well, and that was the whole thing. That's the whole reason I got married was I was like it's not called girlfriend swap the the that's the whole reason you got married. They say stuff bro. Come on, I'm trying to set up this reveal okay, so they had another show which you're familiar with undercover boss, right of 12:24 that's another show that I've tried. That's why we started our own company. Yeah, everything that every decision I make is based on what reality show will this kid I do yeah yeah yeah, so if you're not familiar with her cover, trying to get on cops next is a show where the boss goes undercover and goes to work. You really got it. You really show that's the show you got to guess. Yeah, so I want you to guess what the show okay hold on 12:52 undercover boss though real quick before we get to whatever your bid is undercover boss subway went on undercover boss right yeah and the founder of subway was and you know not to speak ill of it. So be he was he was he was always very full of himself. He was very you know. I'm the reason this company is successful joke about him. He's not around any sure he's not going to listen to this. They played in prison, not hell 13:24 so anyway that's going on one of the out of context. No, so he thought I, because I worked at subway when the undercover boss thing happened yeah, and he thought that oh also my employees know what I look like. So I can't be the undercover boss, so they sent like a little lower level thing. Oh yeah, 13:46 none of us knew what you look like. No, no, it's not like you know. I got I work at subway. I don't go home and Google. What is the owner of this company look like? I don't have your poster on my wall, dude, yeah, yeah, I do now. I can't think of a single job I had where I knew what my boss looked like. You can't go a single job, a single job, a single job. I had where I'm like. I know what my boss looked like 14:12 like okay, yeah, could it tell you okay, so the show. I want you to just take a guess what the show undercover dads was 14:30 okay. My mind immediately went to like twenty one jump street type thing. Okay is this dad's infiltrating their like kids friend group somehow undercover dads. So you're on the right track except for this is oh they were like let's miss his doubt fire some families. Is that what this is a hundred percent their dad way dad's dressed up like the nanny 14:54 and then I don't know what the cut what they did, but they dressed up like the nanny and try to see how they did. I've got on the show. So far is this image oh like they straight up mrs. Doubtfire, this down fired their kids and I love it so so you're gonna mrs. Doubtfire, a hundred percent undercover, their life yeah and then when they find the graduate high school, if they graduate, let's be real. It's time you meet your dad 15:22 They're gonna think that I stepped out when they were an infant. And turns out I was the nanny all along! 15:36 breeze got to go on breeze got to like she's got to let them catch her crying. Sometimes you know where she's just alone in the room and like and they're like mom was wrong. Mom your kids British these kids in the mid it doesn't that suck. You're going to have a midwest kid. You think about that sometimes that sucks a lot about that living in California. I don't want to raise a California kid yeah yeah. 16:03 I don't know where to go yeah. I can't figure out all people so all of them are a bad stereo anyway yeah, but your kids are mom. What's wrong and then he's got to be like he left you know and then and then I come in and go don't cry Briana. He was a pig and he was useless and what he had that stupid podcast. 16:32 that's so dumb like your mrs. Doub firing your kid and then when they turn a when they finally go to school, reveal take his face off. You go, I don't know how long she was no, no, no, this she was he's six years old now we're committed. You can't quit now back now yeah yeah. What's the point though? What finally do rise with you and bring here? 16:56 all because of this bit anyway, that accounts like I'm still dressed like the nanny has their own count. I like method acting because like I miss is down firing your counselor. 17:12 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 17:39 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 17:56 You're Mrs. Doubtfiring your wife's counselor to get information on what your wife is telling you. 18:06 going you could you could dress as a stuff. I go to your wife's counselor, tell that wife's counselor all the problems that you think your wife is bringing up to see what solutions your counselor offer yeah and then you and then you hang with your counselor is like honestly. I would say just sit him down at dinner and say the following sentence and then they say the thing that Bria just said to you the night before you're like. I knew that wasn't her. I knew that was new and I knew it so your voice just got really deep. 18:35 didn't get deep. It's been deep okay, so space cadets. I watched there was a there was an ad that came up the other day on my on my feed yeah. That was clear like this person was walking through Walmart showing the price of something at Walmart versus what it's available on the shop or whatever yeah, and I'm not joking when you like this. 18:58 I can't believe that this you know clearly somebody who's like I'm gonna make my voice deeper for this. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Wow! I can't believe govi lighting is this expensive at Walmart. It's this much at the and people in the comments were like. What are you doing? Your voice, what do you what do you do? What do you do? I'm out. What do you talk? This is my voice is what I sound like. Oh my gosh crazy. Are you doing that with your jaw? You think it looks hot 19:27 so December seven two thousand and five. This production company puts out in a show and releases on the seventh called undercover dad, no called space cadets undercover dad was one of their shows. I just wanted to bring that up, so they had a list of reality shows that were successful big reality shows and then undercover dads, which I wish gosh. I wish it came to the U. Honestly, would probably do well now. Oh, I think it would crush anyways. This show was a 19:55 the bold show is a ten episode show that started on December seventh ended on December sixteenth, so it was literally night night yeah, which is crazy. I don't know if you could do that nowadays like tried it with the reindeer games, big brother reindeer yeah having a nightly. I just don't think anyone has time for that. Well, they did in December. Hopefully people on crit, they because they're going for the college market to be honest. I guess that makes sense yeah, which I mean with I remember Christmas break in college. I would just stay home and watch 20:24 I mean episode after episode of after episode of Park, which is what I did during the semester to but that's why I filled out, but I'm saying like the December was really that's really yeah. I used to watch like four episodes a day on a December. I'd get like six or seven episodes and interesting interest. So they went on a basically this. The concept of this show yeah was they did a casting call and they cast in three actors. There are going to be three actors in the mix with all the contestants for the show. 20:53 and then there was going to be. Let me see what is this nine actual like participants in the show, so twelve people yeah, three of them are three of them more actors are in on it yeah, are in on it and what they told them is they let they were like okay. It's an adventure show and when they showed up on set for the adventure, they were told what the concept of the show was and it was that they were going to go through space, train space training and three of them are going to get to go to space and that was the concept. So obviously the actors win 21:22 well, the plan, no, the plan is there was never a good. No one was going to space. There was a simulator. They were going to put him in a simu, but if you do that with the actors at the end, no, they're on the real people. They wanted to see if they could trick him into believing they took him to space and there was going to be a five day trip in space and so is five days, a five day training and then they were going to pick the three top of the class. 21:48 and then the three top of the class. They were going to send a space with two pilots and the two pilots were also actors and it was a simulator. They built. They spent five million dollars building the simulator okay to try to make it really convincing like they were going to space, and so here's how they pulled this off. So they did the casting call. They put out this big casting call and they said hey, 22:08 you want to be on TV and so they bought these people in that's that is what happened. I live in Los Angeles and I'll be pumping gas. I'll be the gas station and someone's just over here. They open their jacket and they're like you have me on TV. I'm like what you know those people who have watches and stuff and like this one's just got like different pamphlet. They're like you're a top of the gas station on the way to Branson. They got all those pamphlets and stuff. Yeah, yeah, I would be on TV. Yeah, I put your clothes on like here's real. 22:38 hey you want to be our tv. You're about to be on the news. Yeah, you're going to be. I love watching tourists come to Los Angeles and fall for that by the way. It's my favorite thing. It's like you're talking to a homeless person right now. I hope my parents came out to L. A. We went to the Santa Monica Pier. You know what happened at the peer what street performer looked at another street performer and went that guy's a cop again. It happens to me believe a lot. Why does street performers exclusively though? 23:07 no, not just not just three performers. I mean it's most often street perform. Oh yeah, but well there because they're looking they're like they're like they're on edge. Yeah, you know, but like I mean that girl that lady I gave an uber ride to one time. She was like you think I don't know an undercover cop when I see one you do look like an undercover cop that's what I'm saying. What like first of all, if I look like it make me one, how do I become one? I would love that yeah. I thought that there's you know you know are you missed out firing me? Are you have you been an undercover cop this whole time 23:36 that's what my face is so saggy. It's a missus downfire. No, I did think that we went to Disney on this past week and while La was on fire, just fires were more contained. Yeah, we evacuated. We went back home and then we were like let's get let's go to Disney. Forget about all this. That's not what we did. We had I feel really bad that we went to Disney on Sunday. 24:05 the fires had died down whatever. Okay, our friends passes expiring into her last operation. We went yeah, you know yeah, but the whole time we're walking around. This is my brain the whole time we're walking around. I was like you sacks of crap. I can't believe you guys are just enjoying a Disney day while L. A is burning 24:31 ice cream. I was judging people the whole time. I was like we're here because our passes expiring yeah. That's why we're here. Good reason to be here. That's why our rest of you, her pass was expiring. We would have been volunteering today. 24:54 Yikes, this is some Tom Segura level disconnection right now. Yeah 25:02 I want your eyes look like that. I thought it was, but we could save it for the out of the fiddle. That's great. So anyway, what I was saying was the whole time I was at Disney, yeah, I was kind of like. I know there's plain clothes security here and I want to be one of them so bad. Yeah, I don't know how to get that job, but I want it. I there's two jobs. I want a Disney. Here's two jobs. I want a Disney. I want to be a plain clothes security officer. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, right. Yeah, second job 25:31 I want to voice crush the turtle. That does seem like a real job crush. The turtle's really funny world. They have the monsters ink thing yeah yep yep. Both of them great at it crushes fun job crushes funnier consistently consistently. I don't know how they do it. They get consistently really good improv actors to do that voice. Well, I mean I know how they do it there. They cast them 25:56 in Los Angeles yeah, but I mean it's it's yeah. What's impressive to me is there's that many people who can do that that well. It's impressive to me. I you just anyways anyway, so the audition process yeah they had this. They had a pretty rigorous audition process. They made them try to be truss the turtle and then they're like your voice isn't good enough for that. You're not very good. You'd be great for the space show. We got like give us an alien. Can you give us an alien 26:22 that's pretty to stay at the puny. I already is that the alien from fairly. I parents sounds like crush the it was just I got to work on my impression. I wouldn't yeah anyway. I'm not confident of the do it on here, but I would love to yeah keep practicing so they started out. That's not the right by just finding out. Do they ever serve in the arm services? 26:51 or how do they have it? Have you been to space before? Yeah, you ever been the space? They have harder trick somebody who's been yeah. You've been there. It's it's yeah. Yeah, they also asked if they had interest in space travel or science fiction or nasa or anything like that, and if they had any of those sorts of interests, they kicked them out and so it's like you know too much and we're not going to be able to trick you. You're going to be able to tell sure and then they gave them psychological test to see 27:19 if they were like susceptible to group think yeah and like can we get you into the group and get you to be like well, everyone else thinks this is the same kind of thing as that that special we watched the Darren Brown guy the place yes yes yeah yeah same concept, so they did that type of stuff. They also do a whole other episode on that yeah. We should actually we should just do an episode on agent Darren Brown special because all of them were very good for that one. I like that one yeah. We can't do it though it's fair 27:48 they also tested to see if they were claustrophobic, because they were going to be in like the capsules and stuff, which is fair. That's a try. I see who were like yeah. We need to find that most costal re make a break bro. Then they also asked them. They also did some stuff like they publicly humiliated them, so I publicly humiliated them to see how they would react, so they like blindfolded them and made them dance without any music with the whole group of 28:14 people auditioning watching over like these with a spray bottle and they sprayed the front of our pants. They're like you yourself with warm water to with warm water, so you're not actually sure you're like I, I don't I think I did honestly I didn't feel it, but now that I'm, but now that you mentioned it it does seem like it smells like is this is this hack who they got from the hard work you spray me with 28:44 he did this is you're a little too offended by this yeah. You got to go. I think you're dismiss way. I went to Rondish and I like I met a guy on the street who wait you want to be on TV and I said yeah and then I followed he's like let me hear your alien voice and I was like cowabunga and he was like perfect. That's really good sprain you with raccoon and that's right to the line and he was like it's weird how offended you are about this and I was like 29:13 really weird. You think everyone else has been super chill about it. Everyone else is like they love this. This is everyone else is a favorite part is their favorite part. 29:27 basis. What was your fair part of the whole process? Probably the part where I got spritzed he came up and just give it a yeah. It's like wrinkle release, but it's called raccoon release. 29:46 I got chased by raccoons for days. 29:52 Yeah, you leave the audition 29:58 you're walking you're like the raccoon all right. It's following your little ducks. They really hit a row. That's what they look like. These are little hands and they're like back 30:15 that man's being followed by twenty six raccoon yeah yeah yeah yeah. How do you pull numbers on him for some reason they're all wearing numbers and then you notice another is a separate camera crew that's following you, filming the reality show raccoon race, which one's going to win. Is it the human or the hey you get to keep 30:40 congratulations, that's yours. Now, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, stop everything right now we're i Alex. Who cares what time it is? Okay, who cares keep rolling listen that Christmas party we did. Did we talk about the other option? I don't know if we can what 30:58 Did we talk about the backup option? If I wasn't available to do this Christmas party, no we haven't talked about okay, so I did a Christmas party for some rich people okay, and he's a good friend. The house is crazy. It's whatever right. We with the literal show was in the guest house. We didn't get to see the main house yeah, where he keeps the the guest house was great. The treasures, I guess I don't yeah, so the shows in the living room of this guest house. It's like a forty person show. He tells me I don't know five minutes before I go on stage. 31:25 stage before I stand up in the living room. He goes a he is what we booked something else just in case we couldn't get you for this. That's like a back up plan yeah, and I was like oh, what was your back up plan and he said it was mouse racing and I said what he said mouse racing. It's literally have you heard of this all right? It's the most backwards Missouri thing I've ever heard. It's a little giant board think of like a plinko board. 31:51 from yeah. Just think like yeah, a plexiglass and then there's like ten rows solid rows and there's openings on this side where they put in ten mice live mice live real mice and they put cheese on the other end and then you're just they just release the mice and then you're betting on which rose one with my number mouse number seven is going to make it to this end first and I was like hey buddy, you should have just done that instead of me. There's no way I can compete with that. What are you talking about? 32:20 So Jeren and I we climbed into some place to class to my shows when mouse racing exists. Are you joking? Yeah, that's insane. We could do that. We could we could do a telling name the mice yeah. They do let you name them. I was going to name one grave digger free show not the backup plan showed up that is true. That was why we found out about it is that he forgot to cancel the backup plan. 32:43 and the backup plan showed up and he was like oh sorry, I canceled this weird and I was like hey, hey, hey, if they're still here, I'm in let a man run those mice anyway. That's crazy. So basically space cadets is mice racing, but humans yeah and then and then they asked them just straight up. They said who's the person you trust most in the world that could vouch for you to do this this show 33:11 and then and they would yeah, they gave them the person them in front of them and they were like they're like. Do you still want to do the show? So you're standing there covered in raccoon. You just watched the person you trust the most like man. I should have listened that they could do that so to live in it and you're like how bad do I want to be on TV? 33:46 this is crazy. No, so that they called them. They called the person you trust most yeah, and they said hey, Jaren gave us your number. He said you're the person he loves the most. Yeah, we're going to trick him into thinking he's going into space. Do you think he'd fall for it? Like honestly, do you think he'd fall for that and if they said yes, they like okay sweet, we're going to do it. Don't tell him and then and I love that. I love that they were like. Who do you trust most? Okay, we're going to get him in on the bit 34:17 that's crazy yeah, and so they picked out their their victims right. It would be by the way she called me. She's like I'm going to tell my 34:31 whole thing. She made you get rid of your office and make it a whole thing just so that way I could get out of that room. I would be honest with you and you need to hear this now. She's mrs. Doubfine, so they got a group of mostly students. Well, I guess not mostly student. There's a I'm not going to go through all the people. I was going to show you pictures of all of them, but it's just a bunch of like 34:56 nineteen and twenty something people yeah reality tv cast yeah and they're obviously like they're susceptible, but the audience watching the show knows that we're not actually going to space. Yes, we're fully aware we're aware of the bit the whole time yeah we're fully aware you meet the cast and the cast is very susceptible people and they're like I'm here and I'm single and if a show man's forms or show man's form and so 35:25 they take them out on the runway. They're in Edmonton, I believe yeah, they take them out on the runway. There's the plane. It's all dramatic and they're like you're here for an adventure and the host is there and he's like and the adventure is three of you five days from now are going to space and everyone's like what no way oh my gosh and like freaking out yeah they board the flight and they take what normally would be a seven minute flight. 35:52 and they make it last six hours. They just fly around the North Sea, flying around the UK and they're just flying in these circles. They tell them they took them to a decommissioned Russian space base where they space base where they were going to be trained by some retired cosmonauts on how to go to space and so these are obviously actors yeah and these actors they the what they did on this set. It was the set was actually retired to US 36:22 in Air Force Base and they the producers they flew to Russia and they spent a few weeks in Russia and they just took note of everything and then they went back to this US base and right in it yeah, and so they changed the outlets to be Russian outlets. They everyone in the cast and crew that smoked. They swapped out their cigarettes for Russian cigarettes, so that way if someone found the butts, they'd be like all these are Russian. Here's the thing. Here's the thing that gets me as rush. Those are Russian but 36:51 I know a Russian, but what I see I know a Russian, but when I see one 36:58 no, I don't war heads. They went really, really hard on setting up this. This don't write that down. I saw you type in those can stay all right. Just let us have a little bit of freedom over here. This is America, don't Vladimir Putin, my jokes censoring me so they he's typing 37:27 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tillon topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 37:54 I like 38:19 okay, so it's interesting to me because they got highly susceptible people. Yeah, but they spent a lot of time making sure that none of these people would yeah figure it out like we're going to make this look really fair. It's kind of like the the jury duty show yeah that there's a lot at stake and if you get to day five and blow it, then you've just wasted that is true lot that is no and so they get in there 38:46 And the whole first half of this show, the concept was you're in space training, so there's like classes they're doing, there's physical challenges they're doing to see if they could fare in space. What is interesting is the way they set this up, and I don't know if I love the way that they set this up, because the way they set this up was like 80% of what they were learning was true, and 80% of the challenges they did were like accurate challenges you would do if you were going to space, like training. 39:13 but then they threw twenty percent of the stuff in there to see like he stuff yeah. They're like let's see if we can just make him seem built dumb. I guess we're believing this and so they would just teach him stuff that was like clearly wrong yeah, but they were like we're just going to mix them in there and see what happens yeah and then they base you could only shotgun diet coke like and you can't do regular coke. You can't it'll blow up your intestines. Speaking of blowing up your test is actually the 39:43 this week sponsor speaking of blowing up your intestines. This episode is brought to you by chipotle and if you use code tilling, they're going to charge you twice for that guac the there was some issues with the actors, so one of the actor cadets charlie skelton was his name. He had to drop out on day three because he got gastroenteritis and then another 40:12 another one of the actors he you're going to hate this. He during one of the physical challenges kicked something and kicked his toenail off and then he had to he had to leave because he like it like got infected or something. I know that I'm listening to this episode in the future and I just reacted the same way then to you know so yeah. So they had to drop out of the whole event, so it got to the point where there's one more actor in like the group of yeah of cadets and so 40:41 they're doing these physical challenges and then they're also doing these things that are like. Why did you have them do this and so, for example, one of the things that they were taught was that Russia brought a dog to space and that dog went up to space and then came back and they named with town in Russia after him and it was like a hero in Russia and it recently died. This dog recently died and so like we need to hold a funeral for the dog and so they made the whole cast. I'll tell you why they did that. We tell you why they did a dog, because that's 41:08 really funny and that's the only reason they did that is so they made them in this for all they know like an actual Russian cosmonaut facility do this funeral and they're carrying the ashes of this dog and one of them he trips a drips and he spills the ashes all over in this funeral and they're like sweeping it back in devastating. They're doing goofy, goofy stuff like this the whole time. Why do they do? 41:36 I mean, I have to take exactly why they did that and was it the act of the fell or was that or that just happened that just happened? Now you know the production truck they were they threw their headphones off like they're watching they're like friggin champagne. So that's a whole layer, so they do the whole thing. They do the training, they do all this all this different stuff. There's 42:05 there's all the like challenges and everything like that and then on day five morning of day five, they're training captain or whatever they the name they gave him came in and was like okay, it is we have made our decision on who's going to go and so they selected three of the contestants and they said you guys are going to go to space and so they started getting them all suited up. They took the other ones out into a different room and they revealed it to the other ones and so they showed them this montage of all the training and every time they lied to them, they like 42:35 put a little like there. There was like lie lie and it's like this like hokey like yeah, being your so everyone's in this room just like realizing it was all right yeah yeah and they're like and now they're going to go to space and so they let them watch outside the simulator and watch them load what they think is a real plane or real spaceship, and so they load them into this. What they think is a real spaceship and this is the thing that they spent the majority of their money on is building a fake spaceship and so 43:02 they had this massive sound stage with all this state of the art sound equipment to make explosion noises. They got a real jet engine in there that they attached to it to be like obviously just extremely loud and convincing. They had air bags mounted underneath. It was just a wooden simulator that air bags that were just going to go off twenty four seven to like give turbulence almost while they were in space, all this different stuff to really just sell the illusion that you're on a space shuttle and then they loaded them up and they started 43:32 going out to do this this trip. They all get get suited and they have two actors. They're the pilots and they start doing it and the sound systems malfunctioning and so they're supposed to be launching right now. It's like well, it's completely silent. They're just sitting there and like there's like some movement, but like there's no noise and so the actors luckily thought quick on their feet and they're like they're taxing us out and so like that's what we're doing right now and so then they like 44:00 pivoted while gave the audio engineers enough time to fix it and then they fix it and then I okay now it's time to launch and then they did the countdown again, so they thought that they counted down for the taxi and then counted down for the whole on 44:20 Yeah, so we just got we just got to go out to run. We ever been at the airport and they do that like back out. They okay. How many people think that airplanes are backing up? I saw you see this online. We were like oh if airplanes can back up, then I could probably figure out how to parallel park airplanes on backing up. Yeah. What do you think that little that little they don't stop? Don't you just said say it again? What do you think they're not doing that? Use your brain for twelve seconds. All right, 44:49 Oh, they do the blow. They blow the other way. 44:53 No, it's a tow truck. Yeah, it's a taxi. It's not a tow truck. It's a it's a it's a it's like a airport tug boat and they're freaking just that's why every time I fly, there's a bunch of tug boats on the right. That's what I call. That's what I call tow trucks. I go. Oh, that's a tug. That's a land truck. That's a land tugger. 45:13 that's a really tugs, so they get in this they get in this shuttle, so they space they they can down this bed yeah. They have all the vibrations. They have all the sound the engines blow in and then they get into space low worth orbit. What they told him is the whole time they're like we're going to low earth orbit. Originally, the plan was the moon, but they're like that's going to be a little hard to sell sure, so like let's just go to lower over it. So they take the lower earth orbit. How are they doing the anti gravity? Well, that was the thing during training. They told them they're like hey 45:42 anti gravity or you're not going to feel that they're like you're not going to feel the low gravity effect because we've actually anything you can understand you can solve and so they told them they had an anti gravity machine that they built and they bought it and they're like yeah. We figured out I like gravity and so you're going to be it's going to feel like earth gravity when you're in there and everyone's like okay yeah. Oh, that makes sense yeah. Oh, I'm dumb. Oh yeah, you're right. I don't know a thing yeah. 46:09 but I mean to be fair, that's why they picked the people they picked yeah, yeah, and they were like they're like. Do you know that anti gravity doesn't exist and they're like no like perfect and then a week later they were like we created it to gravity and they're like sure, so then they get up to nearer orbit and then they had the big reveal. They had one of those giant like I max screens outside the the shuttle and then they turned it on and that was the view of the curvature of the earth 46:38 and they let them all come and look out the and the one I was like 46:49 I'm not buying it. Earth is flat, though, actually flat. I may not know a lot, but I know that I know that's flat. These are dumb people. Yeah, you're right. No, they this was a moment. People have been watching this for a flat or a third. Have you thought about all the stuff that would make you not love your kid? No, not yet. Actually, you should start making a list because there's a lot of stuff that, like if my kid came to me, it was like a dad, the earth flat. I'd be like hey, 47:19 hey, you don't pack your ever tell anybody forget that you think that no this is like is pretty conditional. There's like the sixth day of the show and this moment everyone ahead. The public was like oh shoot. What have we done because all three of them? They look out the window and they have this visceral reaction of like seeing the earth from space and they're all like in tears. They're like 47:47 like oh my like I can't believe what I'm seeing right now and like they it's like a very emotional. I was really like the producers are like yes, this is exactly what we want and then there's one producer over there like I can't believe we killed their best friend in front of them and then made them look at space like this and so they had their talking heads and they I should go back to the show that has moral standards where I used to work. 48:15 who is biggest loser. So they they had they did these talking heads and they all like we're talking about how this moment changed their life and changed their view on everything. They're like I can't believe like they were they were all talking like ash. I was like talk they're like again. You see it from up there and you just realize how small and insignificant you really are and like you see the whole thing and everything you know is in that little view. It's amazing and is there's an IMAX screen 48:45 and so they have them up there and they had them do these random tasks throughout the next couple of days while they're in space. Then they have their re entry, so they do the re entry. They told them where they were targeting for the re entry and they're like yeah, we're going to open you up. You're going to be in like a field somewhere in Russia and so the pod comes back at crash lands in Russia and then they have all this like steam in there and everything and they open up the pod and they're in the studio with the live studio audience 49:14 and these people climb out and they're like what and then they show them the same video and then the reaction of these three people to be like wait a second and they're like yeah you never left like you've been in this exact spot this whole time like you have not. This has been a studio the entire time you've never even lifted up off the ground and they like explain to the whole thing and just watching them like they're like they're literal their heads were in their hands. They were like what is going on like losing their minds? 49:44 but the host of the show said something in this interview that was really interesting. He was like and I want to talk about this in the after the fiddle a little more sure, but he's like he's like he's like you have an experience of the fiddles what me and Tim call our phone calls. It's this is everything we do outside of the show is the after the ever released anywhere. We just talk and so the host tells them yeah hey you 50:12 he's like whether it was real or not, the experience you had is an experience that so few humans have ever had to see earth from space and to feel that feeling of insignificance. She's like so few people have ever felt that feeling in their life and they were just kind of staring at of like. They're like. Thank you Julie Chin, 50:34 so then that's like a kind of consolation. That's like if you find out that you've been married to a spy for like two decades and they leave and someone goes in a very few people have had the feeling of being in love and you're like yeah. I don't think I have count. I just found out that my spouse was lying the whole time. It was all a trick and that our house was a studio yeah, but you were in love. You know now you say like that and some good times 51:04 Yeah, yeah. Do you smell raccoon P? No. 51:13 No, that's real. 51:18 so they so that wasn't right. Coopi. No, that was actually that was real. Everything else was made up. Was real looking back. I don't know why we did that. That was unnecessary. A little rude, bullying on a kind of me. Now that I look back, we bullied you a little. Yeah, the whole show really is just a multi million dollar bullying is what this was well. We 51:48 we spend. You guys are going to love this. We spent months combing through a hundreds of people to find out who's dumb enough to fall, right, and we decided to use you three three people were so so so dumb. Everybody everybody's been watching, but hey hey hey listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. Yeah, you're dumb okay, and that's why it's great for you because you're hot 52:16 you're hot and down made for reality. Here's what's incredible. The perfect makes of stupid and sexy and that's what we need on tv and guess what we called your mom. She said oh yeah, he is totally stupid enough for this. He doesn't know that I'm really his dad doubt firing him his whole life. He called the nanny and the nanny answer hello. We were like is this are you the nanny you're now I'm that they trust the most. Oh 52:46 yeah, I've been gaslighting them for twenty two years. He's dumb enough he's dumb, so as a consolation, they gave each of the they gave each of the three twenty five thousand dollars. They gave everyone else five thousand they gave and then they gave all of them a trip to Russia and they left them there. 53:12 then see if you can get back again. A trip to Russia and they had amazing race was born. They did do a one of those zero gravity experiences where they fly the plane and flip it and drop it or whatever and you get to experience that for sure. What do they do? Do they flip it or do they just drop it? Yeah, it's just dropping out to but it's also like I think they get high enough that I think they yeah anyways, so they did get to experience zero G and then they also did get to experience having a twenty five thousand dollar check 53:40 and they got to believe they went to space, so the real winners here, and so it was a one season show, because obviously once you do that, yeah, like kind of hard to pull it off. You can't do it again. Yeah, I really really want them to do it here. It's been long enough and I have never heard of it. I think in the US we never heard of it, so I would love for them to try it here yeah, but anyways that space cadets. Do you think you would fall for it? Let us do it in the 54:11 does it really are you who are you let us know the cutty down 54:17 tell us in the comments if you can find them. If you know how to leave a you know what that's how we'll know if you leave a comment. We know you're not dumb enough yeah. Anyone who doesn't leave a comment. If you don't leave a comment, then we know you're dumb yeah. You don't come in. You're a dumb person at some for you. You can't come on. We can't figure out how to comment on our videos. How embarrassing wow such a little brain 54:54 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you like this one, you might like Boys Alone. Boys Alone was another British reality TV show where they just watched a bunch of boys that they left alone in a house in the middle of the UK and it was it was rough. It was pretty rough, the things that happened in that show. And hey, if you want to watch next week's episode, it is available right now to our patrons. 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How Kony 2012 Took Over the World – And Fell Apart | Ep 259

02-04-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 have a message from the profit stop Coney, twenty, twenty twelve, that's not hits twenty, twenty five your way off whatever. If you're a millennial, this is a core memory for you in your high school college age years where this mega viral event happened in two thousand and twelve. Yes, this thirty minute video goes crazy viral and we're all going to try to stop this guy in Uganda, yeah, who is assembling a children's army yeah, but as it turns out 00:27 there was some problems with the film and there was problems with the film maker that derail the entire movement in a matter of weeks, yeah and it it derailed in a pretty big way spectacular way. So we cover what actually happened with Coney 2012 and where it stands today. Yeah, it involves the Lorax 00:48 Yeah, so you get it. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast, so we're going to cover the topic and then also we joke around a laugh a lot along the way. This whole show we learn useless information and we joke around and so if you like this episode, you want more of it. We got two hundred something other episodes you can check out. We appreciate you for being here. Let's jump into the episode. 01:09 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Coney? Twenty twelve? Yes, yes for our young listeners, you're in for a treat. Do you know this story? I only remember small parts of what we lived through. I like like I remember Coney, Twenty Twelve being a meme. Like I remember people being like Coney Twenty Twelve and like saying it everywhere and like wearing the shirts and stuff like that. 01:38 but I'm going to be honest as a joke, not as a joke, but just like I just remember it being everywhere, yeah, everywhere. It didn't start as a meme. I know yeah yeah yeah, but I didn't know what I had. Yeah, I don't remember ever finding out what it was. Oh, I remember watching the original video. Oh really? Yes, I remember. I never saw the video real clearly a friend. It was in my it was when my parents are building their house and so we were in that crappy rental and so we didn't have a computer room. It was like just in the side of our living room. 02:07 and I remember sitting there for the full like how how long was it? Twenty seven minutes yeah yeah thirty minute video yeah that we watched at the computer yeah. I knew I remember knowing who Coney was yeah and I remember people were like yeah. We got to take him down right and I remember the Coney twenty twelve thing being everywhere, but I never saw the video. I didn't know you never want. I didn't know what Coney you watch this or why yeah 02:34 or why so I had to go down half an hour to watch that video, but yet you don't have any time to research the topics that I gave you. This is a this is a topic you gave me this literally is a topic you gave me. It's not a topic I gave you literally. You said Coty twenty twelve, but that prove that you gonna prove that yes. I'll pull my phone out of it, but prove that I text that to you. I'm doing it right now. I don't think that this is real. I didn't suggest this you did 03:00 right. I said tell me the origin of the sonic coney hot dog and somehow you ended up here at cony twenty twelve 03:11 Gosh, we have way too many texts in this thread. Yeah, hold on, hold on. I'm I'm I'll see if I can find 03:21 I don't know. I'm trying to find trying to I can't I can't find out of I swear you not know this was something that you said we should do. I swear oh my gosh tick tock or did you already check Instagram? No, I didn't check Instagram. Why don't you look at 03:55 you turned on vanish mode you freaking monster. How do I turn that off? Can I not turn that off? Can I do? Am I not able? I don't know if you turn on vanish one. Can I not turn vanish? What I do anything? Oh my gosh, hold on. I'll fix this. I'm trying to there we go. That's right. I un send a message real quick. 04:18 all right, go back to it. So I really don't think I said I'm trying to un the message real quick. What dog 04:32 is it like that? I don't know. It's pretty funny. I would have Mariah oh no. I added that it said and said. Hey, do you want to get festive? That's what it said. Okay, you deleted it, you deleted it. 04:52 you a hundred percent deleted it. I know for a fact you recommended this. All right, this is to this is a stupid thing or too much time on this. We have too much to cover. Oh man, you said coding twenty twelve. I know for a fact you said coding twenty twelve. I'm not going to have you gas like me like this. This was one of your recommendations. The only reason I did this okay. I can't find it to be honest like I this started as me gas lighting. I can't find it. It went to maybe you delete. Maybe I didn't send this. I know you did 05:22 I know you did. Maybe you said it on a phone, convert, maybe you said it in person in a conversation like on the phone or something. Maybe it wasn't in a message. Huh? We do talk to each other a lot, so it's probably it might have been in a conversation. Some might say we're codependent. Some might say that yeah, so Coney yeah, Coney Coney is the last name of a man named Joseph Coney. He was the leader or I guess is the leader of the Lord's Resistance Army that 05:50 LRA. This is his official logo that he made with colored pencil. Yeah honestly for a colored pencil logo, not bad sure, but the this is him. This is this is Joseph Coney. Yes, we've all seen him. He we haven't because I brought this up to a couple younger people and they had no idea what this is. Are you serious? Yes, I mean I guess I guess I didn't know the story either like I right. 06:18 of no, but I'm saying like we were we were seniors in high school the year this happened yes and so people younger than us were a lot of our fans who are early twenties. Yes, we're literally eight years old. Yes, yes and so they have no idea what this is. So this organization, the Lord's Resistance Army was founded in nineteen eighty seven right and just a coney founded it as like a rebellion against then you gone and pro president 06:46 Yowary Musavini. Musavini. We'll just call him Musavini, because that's his last name. And so, Musavini wasn't, was like kind of a dictator, and Kony was rebelling against him. There was a lot of different rebel groups that were rebelling against him. Kony came from, Joseph came from a separate religious, I guess you could say rebel group. He was brought up in that, and that was led by 07:15 they had a single woman who was the head, the figurehead of that organization and she claimed to be possessed by God and so she and she had some very strange war tactics. So he grew up in a cult, essentially yeah yeah and and so he was brought up in all that and so when he started his he brought over some of that stuff into his lra. What year was he born? Do you know he would have been born? Hold on, let me look 07:45 Okay, so he's twenty six when this is happening, yes, and so he starts his organization and in his organization he takes some of that same stuff over to his organization. His goal is to create a new Uganda that is ruled by the ten commandments. That is his plan and he says he's he is inhabited by three spirits and those three spirits had three distinct personalities and they would speak through him all the time and he when he would when they would speak through them, he would change his voice to sound like the spirit that was speaking through him. 08:14 so there's one where one of them was a female and so he would raise his voice really high and be like I have a message from the prophet or something. I don't know what I don't know what all the spirits names were, but you just clip that can you just clip him in the I have a message from the profit and just put that at the beginning of the episode with zero context before the intro, maybe right after the intro as the transition so 08:42 Yeah, so coney's doing weird like it's a call. It's definitely a cop and the people who follow him. He's got another one that's just like a big old southern car salesman kind of guy. I have a message from the profit yeah, and I'm down here to sell you this Ugandan government's trying to take. You know, I could put you in a new today on this night. This we got to get in that rav for 09:10 and so there's an interview for me. I'm a son. You join in the Lord's Resistance Army. Are you built for tough? Are you built Lord? Are you built Lord? Oh, that's built Lord tough. That's incredible. We could sell that in any Christian bookstore, Caruso official built Lord tough. 09:38 so there's a interview from I believe the nineties or early two thousands with one of his soldiers and they're asking them about coney and they say so it so is he God and he's like no he's not God, but he's got three spirits living within him and they're like oh so so can he die and he was they were like no he can't die only one of those spirits can and then the other two agree with all show 10:07 Oh shoot, he killed him. 10:17 I love that one of his inner voices sounds like the puppet from Mr Rogers, the King. I haven't seen the game. You haven't seen the King, not seen the King. Did you watch as a Rogers Gornal? That's why you can't have an intimate vulnerable relationship with people around you. Yeah, that's my parents said you can't watch it. They're like that'll make you soft. 10:41 I was only allowed to watch Fear Factor. 10:46 and a thousand ways to die. Gotta make sure this kid scared. It's only allowed to watch spike tv. 10:55 and so they asked them. They asked them if he could die and they said no he can't die and the guy the guy interviewing him says. So if I walked over and I shot him right now, the guy was like he wouldn't die. No, he wouldn't die. Okay, okay, and so they believed he was like this immortal prophet that was coming to save them and deliver them from the tyrannical is in the nineties. Yeah, this started in eighty seven and so they they are an actual rebel like rebel group through this this era. 11:24 and there's no ways to mince words around it. He was a terrible, terrible. Sure leader. Leader of this, this, this group. There's a long list of crimes that he committed. Lots of violence, lots of murders, lots of death. Probably the most brutal thing that he was known for is he would kidnap kids in the middle of the night. And then he would make them kill their parents. So that way they had, they, he was their only source of life. 11:53 and so he would take them, conscript them into his army. If they were male, if they were women, then make them go back and kill their parents, yeah, and make them kill their parents. So that way they would rely on them. And then if there was ever any issues, he would always have these are kids. He would turn them against each other. And so if one of the kids was became a problem, he'd make the kids kill the other kids. And so very violent, very, very evil, very bad person. Yeah, and was a female. What happened? Oh, I mean he took them into 12:23 slavery got you and so the his regime was a terrible regime and caused a lot of damage to a lot of people. How big is it? His army yeah, I don't know how big it was in its height. Let's see this as as of two thousand and six. There was forty two children in his army. I don't know 12:44 That's what I'm saying. It was okay over the course of the years, sixty six thousand children became soldiers. Okay, that's what I was saying. That was from six hours from forty two. That was from eighty seven to two thousand nine okay yeah. So in two thousand six it clearly was not at probably the height of its operation. You know what was like the yeah yeah, so yeah it's it's gone up and down over over the years. Sure, then we need to enter in another important person to into the story. A guy by the name of Jason Russell, 13:14 Here he is Jason Russell. Yes, Jason Russell is a guy who has been through every version of celebrity pastor that first picture is what I recognize. Oh, did he go to homesteader here at the end? It's incredible. It genuinely is incredible. Every celebrity pastor style like sense of style. He's had all of them. I don't know how he pulled 13:44 I mean, he's clearly got his inspiration from one place to be this group. But he was an aspiring filmmaker. He lived in San Diego, went to film school, graduated film school in the early 2000s and was looking, him and his friends were looking for an opportunity to shoot a documentary. Here they are, here's their little crew of filmmakers. And so they said, okay, we want to make a documentary. 14:13 what are we gonna make a documentary about? We gotta make a story. And so they start traveling, they start doing like missions work globally in an attempt to find a story to make a documentary about. So they end up in Uganda and they hear about this story. They meet a kid who was taken into the Lord's Resistance Army and the kid tells Jason his story. Him and his brother were taken into the army, they were forced to kill their parents. 14:38 His brother was actually killed in front of him by the army because his brother tried to escape and told him this whole story, terrible story. And that like changed Jason's life. Jason, there's a video of Jason saying, if this happened in America, it'd be on the cover of Newsweek. Like this could never happen in the United States, but because it's happening here, no one knows about it. And so he commits his life to like solving this problem. And so, 15:08 he starts an organization called Invisible Children because that and it's named that because he felt like all these kids were invisible to the west like they had no idea the struggle that they were going through and so they start making documentaries. So they released a documentary kind of chronicling everything that they've seen that they saw on that trip. There's some questionable moments in that documentary yeah, but he's holding a bazooka right yeah well the what's 15:36 what's rough about this, this moment is this is the LRA. They visited an LRA camp and they're like you guys want to hold the guns, you're like yeah, that be sick. It should be like if you were doing a expose on the police and then they were like you know we go. You want to turn the sirens on honestly. I always wanted to do that. You're like oh as a man. You know I love this. Let's pull some Tasm 16:05 that stays up and you get lost in the yeah yeah and so this organization really what they did is they started a non profit and the non profit was for awareness. They weren't going to go do humanitarian aid. They weren't going to do anything because they felt like like we can't stop coney like the United States and military has to stop yeah and so they immediately they went back and they went and they put we can't stop them. I mean now we're friends 16:30 you know it'd be awkward. It'd be weird to be like I think also also you stop doing that chill. If you quit be pretty cool. If you stop doing that and so chisel is two thousand yeah. They actually went to Washington and we're you're doing all this. This is really two thousand like two thousand five to that six they're meeting with fo shizzle for real. They're meeting with congressman 16:55 and women in Washington and talking progressive of you, but with the congresswoman did not exist. They're meeting with them and they're telling them this story and they're meeting with condolence, a right and they're they're all shooting them down. They're like look yeah, they're like in we're not the military is not going to get involved in something that does not have anything to do with any of our political or financial interests as a nation like it's just not going to happen. Yeah, we're not 17:22 and that is like a tough thing about it's like we're not the world's hall monitors, you know, and so they they I don't know if they got this from someone in the government or a lawyer or counselor. If they just thought this, so was that the idea that they had people to call pretty much they're like. If you make this a big enough deal for the American people, then maybe we'll respond and do something about it. So they started an awareness campaign and so they they kept going back and kept filming these documentaries. 17:52 to bring awareness. so they could keep going back and making more documentaries. then the government takes action. the first spike for them was 2008. And in this documentary, 18:21 it opens there in a gym, a high school gym and they had just finished by the set was they just finished one of their assemblies telling the story and the kids a kid raises his hand. He's like he's like this is all good Jason, but like what are you going to do about this? How are you going to stop a war and the three of them turn around and they this is all good Jason, but how do you think a person like yourself? 18:49 strong, independent, entrepreneurial man who's handsome and stylish up with the current trends. Is this necessary? Do I have to say all this? How are you going to stop this? 19:05 And he's like, there's keep re. Oh, sorry. And your mom. 19:14 it was two thousand six. It's the kid real, I know the kid looks at him like what the are you serious? Did this to me, your mom joke in the middle of this, you cut that out heck, man, so the three of them him and his filmmaker friends in this video. I hope this one turn around choice. 19:54 the kids do. I look like Mr. Rachel today. My you for this hoodie for a lot of up. I know here's the thing. I'm still on the road. That's so yeah, that's true. I remember last time we shot an episode yeah, you went home that night. Yeah, imagine me not doing that. I haven't been home in a week, not doing that. Yeah, that's why you're so 20:18 so edgy. That's why I'm so mad dude. I'm literally in my own bed eight times this month. Well, this is a good episode for that. Then there's a there's a warning at the end of this episode here, the ravelin about my own bed. There's a warning at the end of this not about your own bed, but about your schedule. I do 20:35 okay, so the documentary opens on a school. So are we talking about the thirty minute thing that came out? No, no, no, no, no, okay, we're talking about this in two thousand and eight. It is in two thousand eight. There's a video it opens with their doing a school assembly. A kid goes, that's all great, but how do you plan on stopping this and they all three turn around over the camera? Yeah, and I'll go great question. Yeah, the one of the guys says to them he's like he's like that's actually a really good point. Like how are we going to stop the war and Jason the guy we saw turns around and goes 21:03 only you can prevent child war. No better. He says he's the same thing. We always do dance and it's basically high school musical. They do a dance number with a song that they wrote 21:21 wait and it's it's I actually school musical. I didn't know about and like like this lyric. We're on a mission to put you gonda deep inside your mind and so the idea was this good is such a it's very high school musicals. It's like on a mission not that high school musical, but like we're on a mission to put 21:49 Uganda deep inside your most to that it's close to they do the overhead claps. They have a full dance number like this is like highly produced. In fact, this is very first in a viral video. This wasn't their first attempt. This was like their fifth. This is one of their attempts at a viral video and it didn't go viral. It went semi route nothing to what is going to happen later, but it right. It did pop off 22:16 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 22:27 We do monthly hangouts. We do. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 23:00 I guess I should probably go study the two thousand twelve video and be like. Why did this hit so hard? Oh, it's clear it's okay clear, but the director of this video. This is my favorite part of this whole story is a college friends is a college friend of his. They went to school with this guy. I don't know if you know the name. I don't know if you know the name John M Chu. I don't know if you know that name. He's direct on the wicked director. Yes, 23:30 and also step up to step up three into the high, the rich Asians like same guy, same guy directed that and so those screenshots are pretty rough, but like it's actually like a really well produced. The song is incredibly catchy. Yeah, same thing. We always do dance and then it's them on a treadmills like five different treadmills 23:54 but yeah Jason, Jason is like close friends with John Chu. He actually officiated his wedding, which is wild, but well that makes me look different on people, but yeah he directed that film and so that film. Here's the thing. Here's the thing we got to recognize a little weird when you figure what they're trying to bring awareness to, but also this is two thousand and eight. This is the height of high school musical musicals were kind of 24:19 in a moment for a second there, especially high school style musicals. Yeah, this is also flash mob era. Yes, so like this was it was a good strategy, yeah and and it worked pretty well. Like it brought a lot of awareness. It brought some we make one of that stuff now, but that is what like worked online at that time. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like that conversation we had where I was making fun of alien in patron hang out 24:47 and who said it was it chunk light? Yeah said oh it you think it's cheesy, but at the time it wasn't cheesy like that's how everything that's cheesy works like yeah. You think it's cheesy looking back by the time it was cheesy. I'll tell you what's always been cheesy. It was what be referring to people by their discord user name. I watched part of the video of freaking 25:09 the years, youtuber goes by coffee, zilla yeah and he did the whole take down of the hawk to a coin and they're in the twitter space yeah and they're talking to each other about like you know hey, you might have just scammed millions of dollars from these investors. I would have to say for yourself and they're referring to each other by their freaking user names. When they're talking about millions of dollars on a scam, well cox each other, well doc neighbor, well and I'm like what is 25:40 how do we branding its branding? It's also it's also you don't want to dox them, especially for like twit streamers like what I mean docks them twist streamers. The people are calling the SWAT team on them like they've got to be careful with their real identities and stuff like that. That's why I haven't gone by my real name for years. 26:04 it's a thing. It's a thing that they they're really careful about it. They're really careful. Have you seen that video of kai where the guy? Who was it? It was the guy that does the does that game where you get the picture and you have to try to guess where it is geoguesser, geoguesser guy. They had him on stream, but he was like on the phone yeah and they were like see if you can guess where we are and all he had was the studio they were in and he figured it out. He started saying the coordinates to him and kai took the phone and just threw a card like smash it against the wall. I don't know who kai is 26:33 kai sannat or senates not. You don't know who that is. He's like one of the biggest streamers right now yeah, but that's also fake. You think so? Yes, because I've actually been talking about to my wife about how we can make her that probably is a bit. Yes, yeah, the stuff we could do to make my wife go viral as a twitch streamer is yeah. I mean, I guess that that would make more sense that that was a bit. I never even thought about that because yeah, the head, you don't even think about that. Well, no, I have thought about it. Who's a little 27:02 who's a little miss. He had Mr. Beast on your little Goblin aren't you Mr. Be a little Goblin on his studio on fire. Our streams from on fire, but they just build. They just don't build a set and catch a set and cut on fire. Yeah and I knew that I immediately knew that the phone smash thing. I was like for some reason I was just like oh that's real because it was smaller. It was smaller. Come interesting. That's a good point. You got got yeah. I got got so 27:31 anyways, so here's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to put your ganda in your mind yeah and so this this this was a decent success like yeah, a handful of celebrities found out about it sure. They started like promoting it. They got a decent influx of donors yeah and and there was more awareness, but it wasn't like donating to do what though to spread the word yeah. That's the idea. The idea is 28:01 enough people are going to find out about this. The government's going to take action for you to yeah be louder about this. Well in two thousand eight barack obama finds out about this and obama grants it and so he says we're going to send a hundred military advisors. They're going to train the ugandan military and give them tactics and plans and tell them what to do. They're not going to fight themselves, but they're going to basically be life coaches. 28:28 for the you can we're going to send some war coaches over so yeah. So they set the military over and spoiler alert. It was kind of a disaster yeah. They the military coached them. The Ugandan military went out to try to track them down, never managed to track them down, but a lot of civilians got caught in the car, but a lot of those you gone in military people came back and they were just like. I think we got caught in a time slip 28:57 We saw a small town that smelled like rotten pigs. 29:05 we heard the bell tower, there's a bell and just stop tolling. It was so weird yeah thinking of speaking of weird things that you see now it's two thousand and twelve. So you know weird things that you seen. What do you think about this? These new jersey drones, the one have you heard of this? No, I can't believe you haven't heard of this. Alex. Have you heard of this? Would you guys just live in a rocks or no? I heard of Jersey Mike's 29:37 This is New Jersey drones right now in New Jersey, in one of the suburbs of Philadelphia. So that end of New Jersey. There has been for about two weeks now, every single night, about a thousand sightings of these drones that they say are like car-sized drones. And what they're doing is they are like strafing. So they're going over and they're stopping, and then they're going back, and then they're going over, and then they're, and it's almost like they're like scanning or mapping something. 30:07 They're about the size of a small car, is what everyone says. Thousands of these reports are coming in every single night for the last two weeks. Any videos? We do have videos of them. They look, they have the flashing indicator lights. They're not like the four roto-copter drones. They look almost more like little airplanes. And they're going, they're strafing back and forth. The governor has been kind of raging about it because the government, like the federal government, hasn't been taking... 30:36 much like attention to this. What? So the White House addressed it yesterday. And the White House is like, hey, we don't know what these are. They're not ours. And they're not any of our adversaries. We don't know where they're coming from. But we don't think that they pose a threat to the public. 30:56 I can't believe you haven't heard of this. 31:00 Yeah, have you not? A congressman yesterday, I'm excited to tell you this, I'm really excited. 31:18 know a congressman yesterday said that it's Iran. Iran built a mothership and they have it what over the Atlantic Ocean and they're leaking these out every night. They're coming out of the mothership and and he's like it's Iran. The White House was asked in their press briefing and they're like yeah. He has no idea what he's talking about. That's what they said. They're like it's not Iran. They literally were like Iran is not even close to being able to do something like that. Yeah, I think it's definitely not I ran after what we did to him. 31:47 but yeah, they we have no idea what they are. A lot of people are saying they're aliens. There's a lot of there's a lot of the videos that you see that are kind of bogus. A lot of the videos you see of people who say they seeing them are like seeing planes that are like flying really high, but they're legitimate. They're legitimately are at least some of these that are genuine and being spotted and they're just like hovering over and they're hovering pretty low and no one knows what they are. It's very strange. This feels a lot like the balloon a couple years right now in the midwest. 32:15 well, that's kind of that's one of the things that people have been saying like like they're doing over New Jersey down some I tried in Montana. See what happens yeah. They shoot at him. Well, there are a legend and I don't know if these are legit, but I have seen videos of like f six teens like chasing them and there is one video where it's in the distance. It's hard to say whether or not it's legitimate or not. It's in the distance. There's the two f sixteen there's the drone and there is an explosion in the air and so 32:42 I don't know if they've actually shot one of these down. If that was legitimate or not, the government hasn't announced that they've done that, but that's crazy. It's a time this comes out. You'll know we know what it was. We know it attic the whole time. We know that it was the aliens. This was their first step in the well. I mean by the time it when does this come out January? This is coming out in February. It's so really yeah. This comes out February fourth and we're shooting this December twelve 33:07 so wow, time way behind yeah. We're way behind the times yeah, so you're going to you're probably listening to us talk about this and you're like those idiots and hey, the chiefs are in the Super Bowl, huh? 33:22 crazy again, most likely crazy and that last play, huh? You know, that crazy oh and that call of the end. I know I can't believe it either crazy. What do you think is going to be chief lines, chiefs, eagles, 33:40 I think it's chiefs all the way baby. Well, who's the other one chiefs? I think that's what's going to happen. I think they get so bored that there's like why don't you guys play yourselves all right? Don't you play yourself and the chiefs are like okay, just play second. He arson wins wins. What thoughts? What's crazy good? I don't know man, game and wins anyway. You win some, you lose some, you know so 34:09 the White House is like oh yeah, this pro program didn't work right. We try to train them. They didn't do it yeah and a lot of civilians got caught in the crossfire and so the White House quietly pulls their troops away quietly files away that they ever did that and they were like we weren't involved in that and invisible children keeps calling and it's like hey you guys were really close. You got to keep you can't stop like you got to keep going and like no we tried it. It didn't work. We're not going to do it again. Yeah, we never did that yeah. 34:36 they're like they're like we don't know what you're talking about yeah and they're like honestly, if you keep talking about that, you're not going to know what you're talking about either. Did you turn on vanish mode on our phone call all right, because I know I know that you did that and also why is my contact Mariah carry in your phone? That's how his tie is tied. He's like he's like listen here. I know you did that. I know that was you so for 35:06 three years after the thing, they are still trying to do this because they're like, okay, we were close, we gotta get them back. We gotta get the US government back over there because they need to finish Kony. And so they put together their documentary, Kony 2012. And so the plan here was, hey, 2012, an election year, a year where everyone's arguing, where there's a lot of division, we need something we can unite over, and that's taking down Joseph Kony. And so they put together a documentary. 35:35 It was a 30 minute documentary. And it was a tearjerker. They're trying to pull out your heartstrings, Questionably though, Jason and his son are definitely More so his son, which is a little odd, 36:02 which is a strange way to start a video that has never been. You're living in Uganda, this kid might kill me. Basically, that's like basically the whole point. There's a scene where his son, who's no older than six, probably younger than six, he shows him a picture of Kony and he's like, you know who this is? And then he tells him, he's like, this man kidnaps kids and he makes them kill their parents. And his kid, a six-year-old, is looking at him like, oh, so he's a bad guy? And like... 36:31 why don't the good guys stop on the right? Give us a six or hey look this guy makes this kids kill his parents and he goes 36:40 you can do that. Oh he wants me to kill my mom, your mom yeah, and so he and then he slides him a picture of as he doing this like a detective yeah, I'm a picture. I think the kids name was Jacob. If I remember it, I could be wrong. I don't remember for sure, but this is the first kid that he talked to 37:06 Jason did when he was out there. And the kid who's like, yeah, I watched my brother die in front of me. And they became like family friends. Like he was the kid they would always visit when they came out there. They flew him out to the States a couple of times. Like, so his son knew him and he's like, oh yeah, so this is our friend. And then this guy is hurting our friend and like showing him on the pictures on screen. And so it's this 30 minute documentary film and the film ends. 37:33 with this call to action basically of okay, you can go to this website and you can order your coney 2012 kit and in april this came out march eighth 2012 and in april i think it was four twenty overnight we're gonna everyone's gonna go to bed and we're gonna stay out all night and we're gonna use our kids which are the town yeah are full of these posters and we're gonna make coney famous because there's a scene in that documentary where one of the locals says if coney was famous in the west 38:03 then he would not have the power he has. The West doesn't know about him, and so Kony doesn't, is, is, is able to do everything he does. And so he's like, we're going to make Kony famous, is the whole point of the documentary. And so you get your kit, you put on your shirts, and then they're going to go paper the town with these things. You're going to wear your bracelets, you're going to put on the, you're going to put the stuff on the, on all the buildings and stuff like that. And everyone's going to know who Kony is. 38:31 right. So they put this out on YouTube and it's important to remember. This is 2012. This is YouTube before the algorithm. This is YouTube in a very early state of YouTube. A lot of the videos were like word of mouth. You're manually sharing them. Facebook was still like the main platform and so over the first night it does pretty well, but not like huge. I think it was like six hundred thousand right somehow 38:58 that next day, it was March fifth when it came out and it was on the graphic. You just showed yeah okay, March fifth, so on the neck the next day somehow Oprah sees it and so Oprah tweets it and tweets the link to it. By that evening, it has nine million views. Yeah, by the end of the week, it has a hundred million views right. It is at that time the most viral video of all time right. There was there was never anything that had done anything anywhere remotely similar to that level right viral. So is Oprah 39:29 yeah Oprah, Oprah tweeted it big. Oh, if you see this 39:35 we need you to help us get the podcast and that's interesting. I think there's a there's a good point and so they said in the video that their plan, their strategy and this and this was twenty twelve so this was right twenty twelve pretty ground breaking to have this strategy. Nowadays everyone and their mom would have this strategy but the strategy was they were going to put together twelve. They called them twelve culture makers and twelve 40:03 policymakers and they were going to use the influence of those of those culture makers to influence the policy makers to take action. So the culture makers, here's a handful of them just to kind of give you a list of who they were targeting. They actually showed these people in the video. Like here's the people we're targeting. And so if you follow them or have any connection to them, share this with them so that way they get the word of them. So Oprah was like number one on the list. And so... 40:30 I believe the way it happened is all of Oprah's fans. Some of our fans saw this and they kept retweeting and tagging her and they're like Oprah. Watch this, watch this, watch this, just like fine and so which wouldn't work on me by the way. I need you to know that right now. If anybody try if you like a hundred people suddenly just sent me some video yeah. There's no way I'm going to repost it just so you know. 40:51 so the list of people that they I don't care if it's a literal video of how to cure cancer. It's like somehow I got put out on the stem feed on tick tock. All right, I'm not retweeting that listen to this list of taste makers, Oprah, Justin Bieber, obviously two thousand twelve, we guess. Oh, I was going to say that's who I was going to get. That's going to guess Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, the answer is not on the list actually, which is kind of surprising. It's twelve people, so Oprah 41:20 Justin is actually a lot more than twelve people. They said twelve, but this is way more than twelve. I'm looking at this list. This is like twenty oh twenty taste makers, twelve policy makers got it. Okay, I'm going twenty twelve. Yeah, that's the plan and so the other taste makers on the list, Angelina, Jolie, Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, Rihanna and then here's where as Bono's on it. Yeah, here's where the list gets all really, really fun. I'm excited about the rest of this list, Tim Tebow, 41:48 Oh man, two thousand and twelve was a fever dream. Oh my gosh, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, I love this group, so they were like this. This group of people, oh Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, 42:12 yikes. So they're like this group rush limbaugh gets on the radio with a cigar right and he's like honestly. I don't even think that what you got is doing that bad. We should do it here, so I take out the kill in the parents party's raising young men to do good to have a purpose. Like if we get this group of people to put pressure on this group of people, they put them right in boss say about this. I want to know that's a good question. I need to look up 42:38 my grandma used to leave rush limba on the radio yeah, when she would leave her house, you're not listening to me right now. I'm listening to you because she would leave the radio on so that if someone broke in, they would hear the voice and think someone was home and it was rush limba and it was like is what does rush limba, rush limba's house, 43:00 but yeah, the policy makers that they were targeting were this guy's grandma dating rush. I think my friend's grand was dating rush limba. I don't know she's she's always talking to him in the bedroom, so the list of policy makers that they had yeah George Bush, Bill Clinton, Connolly, so rice, George W. W. W. John Carey, Mitt Romney and so like this group of people 43:28 John McCain, they were like like Rush Limbaugh is going to pressure George W Bush into taking action, which honestly yes could work would have worked Angelina, Jolie and Justin Bieber are going to make Bill Clinton take action in Uganda was the plan and honestly what they plan to do is what happened. Oprah found out about it retweeted it all these celebrities in this list. 43:55 found out about it and they all started retweeting. Well, yeah, because after one of them doesn't, it's kind of like how we can't be the guy who doesn't. Yeah, I can't be the one who's like I'm not going to say something about this only is like whoa he was you got an army of forty two kids. I have fifty three and so this goes mega viral. Everyone's talking about it. A lot of people by the kits and a lot of people are like why do I get him a kid? Yeah, a lot of people are sharing it online. One of the most 44:21 It's ironic you said this earlier, but one of the things you see people say all the time on Facebook when they're tagging this, they're like, it's pretty long, but if you've got the time to watch this video, you should. And honestly, after watching this video yesterday, like it's so clear why this worked so well in 2012. Like this is everything 2012 was. The songs are Mumford and Sungs, Mumford and Sungs, and then like the... 44:47 the bokeh effects and the transitions, everything is just so 2012 coded the whole time. This clearly crushed them. They knew exactly what they were doing and how to do it really well and it obviously worked very, very well. So this blows up, blows up and he all of a sudden is getting every major network is like, we want to interview you, we want to talk to you. And so he's getting pressed toward all over the place. He's flying between New York and LA three times a day. 45:16 like just boom boom boom boom boom taking the red eye going back. I'm not exaggerating. I know you're. I know you got that wink, but he genuinely is. He'll do an interview in L. A. Morning. He'll do an interview in L. A. In the morning, go do one in New York, flies back over the red eye, does another one. So I mean, I guess I guess in that second trip he's ending up overnight. I was like, oh, I think you know how much time it takes to get to L. A. Dude, so but he's not sleeping. The point is he's never sleeping. He's just 45:43 shimmying back and forth between places and doing these interviews and hi. At first, I am happy to be here on Nick at night, Rush Limbaugh, yeah, you know the video that is radio. He'd be like hi rush. I'm planning on keep my eyes closed for this. Is that okay? If I just close my eyes, is it cool if I sleep for this interview? How do we make this a conspiracy theory? 46:13 and so Alex Jones actually does talk about it on his podcast, how because he wanted in on it. Yeah, he was so mad. He wasn't mentioned as one of the exactly why not a case maker. You were twenty one on the list Alex. Yeah, you were so close, so close, so close, and so he's doing this press tour for four or five days and then all of a sudden the press pendulums back against him and so yeah 46:41 it changes from like oh my gosh, we got to stop coney to wait a second. Why are you capitalizing well? Well, what happens is they show this documentary in uganda and at the showing of it, there's press there filming them. They're like they're like look what we're doing like the press flew out. They showed the document like look what we're doing in you got it and all these people came to watch it and the people watching it like turned into a mob and they started throwing rocks at the screen. 47:09 and they were like, this is not accurate at all. And so then like the press started interviewing them and they're like, Coney's been gone for six years. Like he's not even in Uganda anymore. He's in the next country over. We pushed him out. And they were like, this is acting like stuff is happening here that's not happening here. It was a long time ago and it's probably happening in this other country he's at now, but it's not happening here. And they're acting like stuff is happening that's not true. And also, 47:37 who are you to get involved? Like this is our country. Like what do you think is going on here? Yeah and so people see this and then this is and I don't know for sure, but I have seen some commentators talk about this and they think that this is the moment when the white savior complex got defined. Yes, because when you look at those earlier pictures, there's like the one where he's standing in the you know exactly what I'm talking about, right? 48:03 yeah. It was we suji pulled that up yep. I was like that is the white savior photo and I mean if you watch the video, the whole video like and like honestly, if you go far enough back on some of our social media, you could you probably find it. I mean this you could see we were super involved in evangelical culture. This is like we went on missions trips and used kids as props yeah and that 48:28 That was that wasn't the intention in our brain for sure, but that's what that's what people would do. Yeah, and if you watch the if you watch the documentary to the documentary is definitely I mean they tell the story and I think that they were earnest. I think that they genuinely cared. I think they genuinely wanted to stop Coney and they genuinely cared about the kids, but if you watched the documentary, it very much felt like we're going to do it. Like there's moments where you act. They actually say like, oh, what if we die on this trip? 48:57 And they're like, well, at least this is what I'm remembered for. It's like, this is my memory. I don't think that's their intention, but that's what happened. and it kind of blows up in their face. 49:20 And so now he's still in this press tour. doing all these interviews. tell us how we can get involved, How much is going to your travel? 49:49 making a joke. This is a joke and he came out saying it was a joke and honestly if you watch the video it's very clear it's a joke but it's on camera of him. They won an award for one of their early documentaries and that award came with a million dollar donation to their charity. He's like thank you for a million dollars and in that video he's got his glasses on and they're tilted really awkward and he's got a bottle of vodka and he's like he's like he's like he's like I don't know if you know this he's like but we just won a million dollars and he's like he's like ninety thousand of that 50:17 we'll cover everything that we need to do the rest of it. I think you know what I'm going to do with it and it's like should it up with that video bro, like why did you just sound like the kid from wild thorn berries should have been a video bro. 50:40 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 51:08 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 51:40 poor taste and so they dug out that video. They're showing obvious everywhere. They're like hey, you're on no sleep. He's like hey, thanks for having me on the news and they're like great. Here's a video. Well, what do you think about that? Oh, I didn't know he did. I would love for that to be invisible. That this simple. Can we please tell George Bush to take that video away? 52:07 that is a doctored video and if you look at it closer, the shadows don't line up yeah and the there are rats yeah yeah in the video yeah so rats in the and further proof tim just doesn't listen when I talk and I was like there's RASMUSSY. Yep, there's a rastra process slowly and and here's the thing. This is today. I'm going to be honest with you. 52:37 this looking back on these interviews. This was bad, but how every interview is point. He's got to be mid thirties yeah, because I'm much older than we. This is this is him at the time. This is this is when Coney, twelve, not much older than we are, but here's the deal. He was from San Diego. He's got a San Diego accent. You know what that sounds like yeah he 53:02 You go back through his profile, he dresses like this. He was a theater kid, so he's very animated, the way he talks. where point blank, the people interviewing, there's rumors that you're gay. 53:32 that became in 2012 kind of a scandal about it, which is pretty crazy when you think about it because that's not that long ago, but it was like enough to like start to discredit. And he's like, no, he's like, I've heard the rumors. That's not true. He's like, my parents owned a children's theater troupe. I was a theater kid. I'm a little animated. I like to dye my hair blonde. I'm from San Diego. Yeah. 53:57 but it became a scandal. It became and so there was all these different things that were becoming like fairly big issues for invisible children. This is why you never try to make a change in the world kind of and so it all culminates in a moment where he's been doing this for about three weeks, taking red eye flights back and forth between L. A. And New York, they about halfway through that they turned and they started 54:23 turning on him and the public started turning on him. Facebook is turning on him and he's having to like defend himself in a public forum that he's never really been in. Like he has a hundred million views at that time. The whole world knows. Yeah, everyone's seen this. This is not like a hundred million views now. This is a different time. And so he can't go out in public. People are harassing him in public. And so they decide, the organization decides, hey, 54:50 You're going to take a staycation. You're going to stay home. You're not going to go anywhere. You're going to be in your house for a week. You're going to rest. You're going to spend time with your family so you can come back healthy and ready to continue working on this. Because right now, you can't keep doing what you're doing right now. So he goes on the staycation. And a couple days into the staycation, him and his son and his wife and, I think, his parents were there. They were watching the Lorax. And he recounts that while they're watching the Lorax, 55:20 In the middle of the movie, if you don't know what the Lorax is about, the Lorax, there's a corporation that's tearing down all the trees, and he's fighting back against this evil corporation. And in the middle of that movie, he recounts a moment where Danny DeVito turns from the screen and addresses him directly and says, hey, you need to stop, Joseph Kony. You can't, you're sitting around, you're waiting here, you need to go finish what you started. And so he has a psychotic break, is what this is. 55:50 and he stands up in the middle of this movie with his family at home, takes all of his clothes off, runs outside, and is running around outside his house, screaming profanities, slapping the pavement, butt naked, and someone captures a video of this, and they sell it to TMZ for $30,000, and TMZ puts it out. 56:13 and now it's a giant oh wow and so he the police come. They don't arrest him or anything. They take him to a hospital did not know this. Yeah isn't that crazy, so they check him in and a in a day, the veto to be clear in the middle of the lorax movie day, the veto goes Jason. You need to stop Joseph Coney. Yeah, yeah, 56:40 I mean he doesn't actually do that. It was just in Jason's brain, but that's what Jason remembers and then Jason was like you're right. Let me take off all my clothes and go outside and that's what happens. The police pick them up, they check them into a hospital and it's it's a bad experience in the hospital. He thinks that he thinks his clothes and a killing me from stop in Coney yeah and so it's a bad experience in the hospital. He thinks the nurses are trying to kill him. He's like wrestling everyone in the hospital. It's a very like he's there for weeks 57:10 and it's a very intense thing. Yeah, a full, full breakdown. Wow. This hits the press. It gets really nasty. They start making up a bunch of stuff about what he was doing outside. You could probably start to assume the fact that he's naked, and with the scandals that they already had about him, why he was doing that, and the motivations, and stuff like that. So it became a giant thing. And so this is all before that date where they were supposed to paint the towns. And so then, 57:38 He is in the mental hospital when the date rolls around and all these places all over the world had had forms and sign ups where you could sign up to be part of your local group that was going to do it and they all had like sixty thousand, a hundred thousand, fifty thousand people who were supposed to show up and put up these signs and stuff like this. Tons of people bought them, but the majority of them had fractions of what yeah signed up because now it's become kind of a. I remember that so I remember and this is funny because we were on 58:08 a it was state finals for our theater stuff that we were doing that weekend yeah, and so we were in Columbia, Missouri, which is a college town yeah, and there was a couple of people in our theater group who were very passionate about this yeah, but I I don't remember us even talking about hey, this guy's having a breakdown yeah yeah, you know yeah not. I don't think a lot of people knew about I mean and that's like the effects of social media in the internet yeah. 58:37 is like even if we assume his motivations are pure yeah. Let's just assume for a second. Let's put like let's just go for a second that his motivations were one hundred percent clean and pure. Yeah, the internet does what the internet does yep and that's crazy. Yeah, there's a I think it was a Ted talk as a speech online. I think it was a Ted talk, but where he kind of recounts the whole story and then he talks about it and he says he says I'm not exaggerating when I say I was getting ten texts a minute of yeah like 59:06 and that was when Twitter would text you and so of just people just like berating him yeah and my con his family in a question calling his motivations in the question. I remember so like earlier this year. The beginning of this year is when we put up that that cat ramp on our back porch yeah yeah and so we posted a video that video got a hundred and fifty million views, which is just different from a hundred million views back then right, but it's still a lot of you still a lot yeah and the the amount of comments that we got about how 59:35 we're torturing our cat and we're you know, we're terrible people for for. You know, if why are you torturing this animal by keeping it locked in your house? All this stuff? I remember a moment, you know, probably two weeks after the video had had been circulating where, you know, I was in the kitchen with ray and we were just kind of like a little like in each other's way or whatever and I said hey, you've been reading the comment section on that video yeah and she was like yeah, because I would hear her. I would hear it playing in the other room. Yeah, I would hear the beginning of that video 01:00:04 and it was just like a hey, just us reading those comments has made it really tense in this house and like we're just getting edgy with each other, yeah, and so I think we just need to not stop reading us. You know because obviously we care about our pets. We care about our we're not bad. Why you did it? We're not yeah yeah, but like we're reading thousands of comments and that was just over like literally 01:00:27 something pretty done really nothing. It's literally nothing yeah yeah yeah we're not trying to stop a warmonger guy in Uganda yeah yeah yeah yeah so I can't you know I can't imagine the hate yeah from Missouri that that guy for real though yeah obviously it got really bad. The internet has this full on breakdown and it's just bombarding. 01:00:50 Oh yeah, and they were questions like somebody for sure questions of like the financial motivations, questions of his sexuality, questions of like the white save a bit of it. You couldn't it picked apart yeah every single part of him was getting thrown away and like that's what's crazy is like at this point they had been doing this for like ten years yeah, and so it's like he's committed a great portion of his life to trying to solve this problem and yeah and it's totally blowing up in his and then to have it 01:01:19 three weeks. This is all unravelling yes, yeah and so he's he's in the hospital when this overnight thing happens and a fraction of everyone who said they were going to show up shows up, but a bunch people do show up and they start putting these signs up. On the other hand, a bunch of people show up and they saw it as an opportunity to just vandalize and so a bunch of people went out with spray paint and actual paint and started writing Coney 2012 on stuff and breaking things and it turned into like this 01:01:49 mass vandalism event more than it was like a put the poster up. It was a I'm going to spray paint something because I can. And so that that event was even more of a scandal. And all of that kind of culminated in a moment where everyone was almost ashamed to have been involved in it. Because it it it brought a lot of awareness. It did make Coney famous but at the end of the day the government was like I'm still not sending any troops out there. 01:02:18 and it kind of crippled, there's an irony to it. Invisible Children got like kind of crippled in scandal, but they did bring in $27 million in donations. So they were able to make a lot more documentaries because it's really all they were doing. They pivoted after this, they had Jason step down, and so Jason stepped down, Invisible Children pivoted to doing some more grassroots stuff, and so they started, they built a radio network 01:02:48 at the front lines of the war. The radio network was basically a first alert system, where it's like, hey, he's on the move over here, hide your children and get away from what's happening here. They set up a training system for some of their soldiers and all this different stuff. So they started doing some more actual on the ground grassroots things. But at the end of the day, Coney is still out there today. He's still alive today and he's still operating. 01:03:18 How many did they have in his arm right now? I don't know where right now. I don't know where estimates are right now. They think he's in Sedan right now, but they don't know for sure he's been kind of on the run ever since twenty twelve right, because now he's famous and now a bunch of people. I shouldn't say a bunch of people. There have been some events where like mercenary types have gone out and try to track him down like lone wolf style, but there hasn't been a government that has latched onto this to respond 01:03:50 the interest two more really interesting things that have happened out of this one. The International Criminal Court was established. I believe in the nineties Joseph Coney was the first person on their list that they wanted to get for crimes against humanity. The lead prosecutor in over the whole criminal court thing, the International Criminal Court, he he put together a plan on how he was going to get him and his plan 01:04:19 and this is a plan that wasn't just like a I have this. I put a kid with a rope around his waist and then he's going to have two adults saying so and that kids is going to be like. I love you mom and dad. As soon as coney pops his little head out of the woods, he's going to yank the kid back and they're going to get him kind of close honestly in terms of like strategy. 01:04:40 this and I should be clear. This wasn't like an idea he had. This was something he fleshed out. This was something he planned. He had conversations with all of the individuals in these children. Yeah, that when they got took, they were in kill Coney close. It's not close at all. So what he was going to do is he was going to work with Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie was going to slide into Joseph Coney's DMS and say hey Brad and I would love to get your dinner with you and I'm dead serious. 01:05:08 Brad and I would love to get dinner with you were flying out tomorrow and so they would fly out and they would be bait for Coney and so Coney would get dinner with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie and then the International Criminal Court would come in through the back door and arrest him. So they have to have dinner with the guy. Yeah 01:05:30 and this was a thing that Angelina, Jolie and Brad Pitt flew, flew across the ocean agreed to and met with this guy and how were a part of this plan and after this all came out, they met with him, they met with him and Angelina Jolie in an interview on the red carpet when this came out. She was like was kind of cool. She was like she's like I would love to be used as bait to get Coney. She said that she said that on a red carpet interview when it came out that that was the plan and when 01:05:57 when that fell apart and they realized that wasn't going to work. The second plan that he came up with was using George Clooney, but we say we wait. They went through with it though they did have dinner with Coney. They didn't have dinner. They flew over to the and they had dinner with the International Criminal Court. I was like what do you yeah, so they didn't actually have the dinner yet. I have the but they I thought you were like yeah. They had dinner with Coney and then like something fell apart like the back door was like back to a slap. 01:06:19 and like and then they kept song to they were at dinner. I was like I guess we'll get dessert again at dinner and Brad texted him and he said a board a board a board. This guy's really cool. We want to be like a lot. We actually like we love. They really like this. That's why they divorce bro is because Brad Pitt fell in love with Joseph Coney. Did you know that I bet you didn't know that left Angelina Jolie for Joseph Coney. Put that on the news 01:06:48 not enough people talk about that. I don't know people talk about. I don't have people know that, but yeah when when that fell apart that he was like this guy's kind of hot this guy's kind of hot dude. When that didn't work, the international criminal well, it's not. I'm not in love with Joseph Coney. I don't want to make see my not a fan. I'm in love with one of the personalities that resides inside Joseph Coney. She's pretty cool 01:07:16 it's the profit, the profit lives forever. The profit will never die. No, but when that didn't work out, the international criminal court came up with a second plan. The second plan was george cluny. I guess george cluny built a satellite in the early twenty tens and was you was like letting other governments use it to spy on nations and this is a real thing. 01:07:41 and so I was Matt Damon. They were just going to go through the Oceans Eleven cast. They were like which one will do it, but George Clooney said his satellite wasn't powerful enough for that, which is interesting. The lie yeah. That's what you say when you don't want to go. Yeah, that's why when someone was like hey, what you were coming to my Christmas party, I'm like yeah, what's your address and like? Oh, it's this and I go all I'll look it up on maps yeah and I go oh sorry maps can't find it. My satellite's not strong 01:08:12 I didn't pay for premium satellite. I don't have satellite premium. We still recording right now. Yeah, we are more time we got. I would. I'm trying to get through everything. Why do you keep asking sorry ring ring ring ring? Hello yeah. Oh my God, I hate this guy. This guy stinks come back 01:08:40 I know you're on the phone. It doesn't, come back. He's over here going, come on, just in case you do the thing. He doesn't, there's no phone. I want to be clear that when I do this, I'm not saying, oh, he's holding, he's got his hand like this. I don't know what he's doing and he's going like this. He's pretending, oh my gosh. Come back over here. Yeah. 01:09:10 Yeah. 01:09:16 cool. You're the worst. Well, I know I hope I never forget you. 01:09:22 I hope I never forget you to the Allstate Salesman. It's a crazy way to go. 01:09:29 No, so a guy by the name, a guy whose name rhymes with Harley Mean Steam reached out Kanye West and he was like he's like hey, I'd like to change the rules. Harvey Weinstein reached out to him yeah, reached out to a Coney, no to Jason, oh when this was like first came out and he was I was like hey, what's the what's the award show for movies? 01:09:56 Oscars, the Tonys, no Tonys, Oscar's Oscars, Golden, yes Oscar. I always mix them up Oscars. He's like he's like he's like hey, I want to change. I'm going to change the rules for Oscars. That way you guys qualify this year because he was so moved by Oscars or the movies Golden Globes or TV. Tony is Broadway, music, holes and then an emi is TV news, Emmys or news right Golden Globes. Oh shoot 01:10:26 I'm all mixed up right now. Yeah, I can't tell you me calling love anyway, but so they're basically whatever he had control over. He's like we're changing the rules so that way you can get one of them this year for your play for your video for your YouTube video and then once you turn into a Broadway musical, you can get the Tony and eventually a pride. Promise you Jason. I know you had a mental breakdown. You got naked in your front yard and also pull that picture back up with him naked in his front yard again. Yeah, hold on 01:10:54 this is a pretty nice house, so we know that you already are financially set for life because of this man, but we're going to make sure you get an e got it. He got a way. I was one of each of them golden globe yeah Oscar and a Tony Oscar. Did we say Oscar? Yep, what's the music one? I that's why I was trying to figure. I think that might be golden globe. No, it's no 01:11:19 Grammy, that's what I'm thinking. We keep saying Golden Globes were stupid. Yeah Golden Globes, the old Grammy. That's what I was thinking of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I was like when we got to Amy, I was like no, the music one is a Grammy. Yeah, interesting but yeah, so doesn't make sense because the Grammy should be for the old. That's what I call my grandma. They should yeah. They should think about in using that should be music. That's what I call him and him 01:11:49 Yeah, so the ring ring today. Oh no, sorry, no, I'm busy. Hey, I'm not done yet. This is this is another important thing that we need to cover. We've been doing this for a long time and we need to hurry up and read this Germany invade France in what year 01:12:16 all right. That's wrong. Did you just get a call from you in the past in our episode where is doing the ring ring? Hello oh they hung up probably a phone sales salesman yeah. Tried to sell me a phone. I didn't realize I had a phone when he called on someone's calling me ring ring 01:12:35 I hate this bit so much. This is the way it's so hard to do the code. I can't move around and my pinkies in the way on this phone. Also, I hate you finish the episode. Okay, I'm trying you just keep doing whatever this phone bit when I do bits you got to push through. I try I'm trying okay, so ring ring keep go go go. You do you know though 01:13:03 wrap up the show. I'm tired of being here I'm against. I'm held here against my will. Okay, does the does the name per go. Here's the good thing about Evgeny, Victor Avich, Pergo, Per Pergo, Gojan. Yeah. Does that name mean anything to you? Yes, but I don't remember why 01:13:29 So that you might remember him. He was the military leader of the Wagner group, which was like a or I guess Wagner group is what they say. Yes, because then they just did the the whole. Yes, yeah, they just to do a coup to overthrow the Russian government and that got put down and he was put to death because of it. Well, died in a plane crash, but yeah the they were this is like a contract military group. Yes, that the Russian yeah, the Russian Millet 01:13:58 I guess I should just say the Kremlin was like hey, we're going to let you kind of come kind of like Apple where Apple was like hey, we're going to put the two teams against each other and whichever one does better is going to get to release their product. Then when everyone loses, we're going to kill in a plane crash. Yeah, that's that's what the Wagner group got to be with the Russian military in Ukraine. They didn't like the decisions that the Kremlin was making, so they tried to overthrow Putin last year and it ended in him dying in a plane crash. 01:14:26 And then obviously that group was expelled from the war. And so they're like, what are we going to do now? And they decided they're going to go get Kony. So now that group is in South Sudan trying to find Kony. And so they're running through the jungle, chasing him down. So they might, so far out of anyone who's tried, they're the most organized group who's gone in there with like actual military force to try to stop him. 01:14:55 so there's a chance that they might actually succeed at catching coney all these years later, twelve years after coney twenty twelve, so pretty soon we might be saying coney twenty twenty four and because that's the year he died. If it happens in the next couple days, yeah, I was going to say this. It was or comes out in twenty twenty five, so I be saying cut in twenty twenty five as your death, unless we might be saying twenty twenty twenty five. That's what you just said play it back. I be saying cut in twenty twenty five twenty, twenty five. That's what I said 01:15:25 No, you said twenty, twenty, twenty five, twenty, twenty, twenty five, go to twenty, twenty five. Here's the good thing about all this. Yeah, is that time the internet like we'll always have a main character. Yeah, there's always a main character of the day on the internet yeah and some people really stretch that fifteen minutes out. You know, really kind of make their whole thing or whatever, but we you will always be forgotten. 01:15:48 always always always be forgotten. So if you're ever the target of some cyber bullying or you have a weird interaction online and you're like oh, I feel really weird about that and this person probably thinks about it. They don't we literally like Jason. What was his last name exactly? We don't remember it. He ran naked in his front yard and was on TMZ and so that's what I'm saying is that like there, the time will weather that out yeah yeah. 01:16:16 Yeah, I'm just saying that before my video gets leaked. I'm letting you know that just give me ten years. I'll be back doing a podcast. All right, yeah, yeah, that's you're. You're absolutely right. I mean he's turned. I shouldn't say turned his life around like he had his his incident, but since then, like he obviously left his role in an invisible children, but he's just kind of moved on. I think he works in like marketing now, which 01:16:45 I think is probably going pretty well. Like he clearly knows a lot about marketing right and and I and I think I worked with the Coney, 2020, twelve team and they're like really? That was a whole disaster. The founder of that company. He's a yeah, it was crazy. It was wild. It was a lot of that guy's back porch. I had to put him down. Yeah, I mean of course he's working in marketing and he's like yeah. I just I did. I worked on the Coney, twenty twelve team and I got rid of the guy. I'm like yeah, yeah, look like him. No 01:17:13 No, no, that's rude that you say that yeah, because that guy's pretty ugly. I hated him. That guy didn't have a beard. Look at look at my beard. Yeah, I look like the boyfriend, the existing boyfriend, a hallmark, a hallmark movie that's like this is the face he made to when he realizes that his girlfriend just left him for that business guy that comes from a telling anyway. I thought we were in love and then you know 01:17:39 because it's a Hallmark movie. There's the Carol the Bells, there's people singing songs and there's the fiddle off and all that there you go. 01:17:53 Hey, if you like this episode, you might like this man. It's an episode we did honestly a couple years ago at this point about a guy that was known as this man who showed up in everybody's dreams, a really big viral moment, very interesting story. 01:18:07 pretty wild. But if you really loved this episode and you want next week's episode right now, you can become a member. Our members get access to every episode ad free a week before the release and a lot of other perks. And those are available at tilland.com slash support. This podcast is a podcast of the Evergreen Podcast Network. You can find out more about their shows at ever But again, thanks for watching this episode.


In 2012, a short film took over the internet. It was called Kony 2012, and its goal was clear: make the world aware of Joseph Kony, the leader of the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA). The campaign was created by Invisible Children, a nonprofit that wanted to stop Kony and his army from kidnapping children in Uganda. The video quickly became … Read More

The FBI Seized 40 Tons of Drugs in Largest Ever Sting | Operation Trojan Shield Ep 258

01-28-25

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00:00 So eight governments come together and on one day in twenty twenty one arrest hundreds of people and most of them are going to get away free. Yeah, was the largest sting operation ever commenced involving eight different governments, eight hundred arrests and over forty tons of drugs were seized on that day, but because of legal loopholes might not count. So the way that they found the information is going to make it so that they might not be admissible in court. 00:27 and so we're going to talk about how they, how they found that information, the strategies they use, the loopholes that the FBI went through to try to get that information and then what ended up happening, so where they may not even be able to follow through on these cases. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast, so if you googled this and you're not want to learn about the Trojan shield, we're gonna you're gonna learn about it, but we also make a lot of jokes. 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Hey, have you ever heard of Operation Trojan Shield, Trojan Shield, Operation Trojan Shield? No, let me let me show you this picture and we'll see if this helps you at all. If you see this, does this help you? 02:05 Let me see what countries are in this. Okay, so operation trojan seal looks like a video game. Are we talking about a video game right now? No, no, not not a video game. I mean, I you know, here's the thing. It could eventually get app adapted, but it's not like not. This isn't from a video game. Okay, let's let's try this. Okay, 02:33 What about if I show you this? This is a logo for something, another logo, an arm. Yeah. Do you know what that is like an anomaly? No. 02:44 I why do you wait? Do this? I see the oh I can see that it's the same. Oh yeah, I get that they're related yeah. Okay, okay. What about if we do here? Let me show you one more. Oh, holy wait a minute. I recognize this one. Try this one. Do you recognize this one special operation Ron side? No, it's iron, but the eye is like exploding doing the doing the I don't feel so good Mr Stark. 03:12 I is that what it's doing oh no yeah Ron side ran for local commissioner after killing his family. Whoa well, he had to get out of it, so he had to run for a commissioner and and he yeah. I don't know what you take so long dude in the beginning you go. We use logo I go now. I don't recognize that you go huh. What about about this logo? 03:40 and I go no, I don't recognize that one at all. Like we're doing the freaking ink test and I like. What do you see when you see this? I don't know my dad, I guess I don't know like what does that say about me? Well, shut up, I'm doing something. Hey, stop talking, I'm doing something. I'm doing something then later in the episode when I'm doing bits, you're like we have a lot to get to, but you spend the first five minutes freaking being like here's my powerpoint present loosely planned for minutes before this started 04:07 get to it do okay, okay, okay, okay, ready, ready? I've been on june eighth twenty twenty one morning of june eight twenty twenty okay. Do you know where you were that day? Not here. It was a what's the thursday? It was a Tuesday afternoon 04:30 well. No, I literally said the morning of June 8, 2021, so sorry it was a wall in my time zone. It was an afternoon. Why yeah? I guess I guess it does depend the day. Hold on. Let's see day of the week was oh shoot. It was a Tuesday. Well, I don't always say oh shoot. I knew that I hate that you got that right. That was just a guess. Okay, no, no, no, okay, so I'll say what I was doing on June 8, 2021 Tuesday morning 05:02 it was twenty twenty one, so I was door dashing praying to God that I would meet the amount that required for my rent yeah because the world had returned, but gigs had not actually. That's not true. June eight twenty one. I was probably at the airfield. That's when I was learning so actually yeah yeah. Yeah, gosh, remember that yeah. Remember when you almost became a pilot? I mean, I got some images to show you 05:33 let me show you why they won't let me be a pilot. You're tell me what this makes you think of it. I'll tell you why you can't so on June, eight twenty twenty one. What are we talking about? June, eight twenty twenty one morning, one of which episode of ours came out on June, eighth. Oh yeah, that's a good question. I don't know whatever it is. Go listen to it. Tuesday, June, eight twenty twenty one. Alice, could you look that up while we're doing this while we're doing whatever we're doing here? Yeah, he's not going to he's not here today. That's why he's not going to do a twenty twenty one 06:03 morning, yes, Australia, there's a no the night of June, seven for us. Yes, they live in the future. They do. You're right. Correct. So Australia, yeah, man sleeping in his house, a knock at the door, the knock, the knock turns into the doors erupted open, banged open in flows. The Australian Federal Police, a whole barrage of them. Yeah, they arrest him and hang a ruse. 06:31 if you didn't know the federal police in Australia, just kangaroos. Oh no, no, they're called king. I didn't mean they're kangaroos to an idiot. I've always known they were actual king. There are people and they're called the kangaroos, kangaroos and three piece suits, double breasted kangaroo suits. I a little cut out for their inside their pouch, a K forty sevens, two of them 06:54 two, two, we'll dumb and their goofy little arms. Yeah, their stupid little choir and they're like all right, man, you go to prison, joman, a zoo or whatever so please come in arrest him yeah on charges that he's we don't have an aim okay on charges that he is shocked that they are aware of for crimes that he doesn't understand. 07:24 simultaneously and the United Kingdom, a similar scene unfolds okay knock at the door bursting in yeah the British police. I don't know what they are like our bad potato soup. I can't think of anything other than the British food sucks. Oh, I only stereotype. I can come up. Yeah, 07:49 same thing. They're the queens, their all in wings, the Queen Bat, yeah Lithuania, okay, similar scene on unfolds. This happens. I don't know what left way yeah. I could not tell you a single thing about Lithuania. Pull up a map, ask where it is. I can guess I bet I'd be relatively close. I've been in New Orleans. Yeah, that's the same. Lithuania yeah, you're close, so 08:16 This happens all over the world. 800 different arrests conducted at the exact same time, globally. Okay. And they all come back to this Operation Trojan Shield. Okay. And so, to tell this story, we need to go backwards a little bit. Back to 2018. In 2018, there was a guy who went by the name of Afo, Afo, Afo, Afo, Afa, Afa. Okay. 08:46 off. That sounds better off. So off. We don't know who he is. We his identity hasn't been officially revealed and I don't know if it ever will be officially revealed, but he worked with a number of criminal syndicates around the world. Specifically, he worked with the Facebook Mark Zuckerberg. I think is what his name is crime syndicate. No, there's ring leader Mark Zuckerberg, the Facebook criminal 09:16 Hakan Ayik, that's his name, Hakan Ayik. He was known as the Facebook criminal because in the 2010s, he was a pretty prolific European crime lord, but he did it all on Facebook. He was like an influencer. He's posting all of his crimes on online like, oh my God, and like bragging about it. And so this is the guy just 09:43 just duck face. 09:51 yeah and so he so Afu, I believe Afus his name, okay, was working with Ayuk, I Ick, Ick, maybe is how you pronounce that. I don't know sure, but they were working together. However, yeah, they were working together. I love someone telling our story being like Ja rune and 10:14 his hub. It's Tom. I is how they spell Tom at the time at the time, I run and Tom think they use a spell Tom with I I think the M makes a B sound for what we're in doing research, but you pronounce it backwards. So so Jeroen and bit were hi. I'm bit 10:44 they they worked on a couple of different projects together. Are you tired today? Not particularly. Why is wondering? Are you tired today? I feel great. Why would you ask that's why I ask what you just did where you went here a little your your energy is weird for me today. All right anyways, they worked with a right. I feel like I feel like this is where Tim tries to gas like me and I go hey man. We can talk about it. You good 11:13 you good. I never got. Would you have an argument with before we got here? Literally nobody didn't get stuck in traffic. You didn't get you know on edge. No, there's no edges here zero edges okay. All right. 11:26 I did you know now that you know now that okay, I'll come on. Oh, you want me to be vulnerable, I'll be vulnerable. I hear coming here. I was driving away here. I got off the freeway and I went wrong way in the roundabout. I went the wrong way in the roundabout and everyone acted like I was the bad guy, but I wasn't the bad guy. It was an obvious 11:43 mistake is easy mistake to go hard. You turn around the concrete. Sometimes you go the wrong. I just thought like I don't want to go right. I don't want to go left. I drove straight through the middle and I don't understand why people are mad about that. I don't get what my Honda fit. It's not my hatchback Honda, Lime, Yellow to go the wrong way. Can I not go the wrong way? Yes, I'm sick of his conformists who want me to just let me to run with the flow of 12:13 Insane. I'm not the crazy one here, so they worked with a platform called Phantom secure okay, Phantom secure was a part of a cohort of brands in the criminal underworld. Yeah, underworld, so Phantom secure was probably the biggest one was the umbrella crime company. No Phantom secure was the biggest one. Ancro chat was another one and it and it com was another one sky global was another one and these were essentially jailbroken phones that 12:43 you could use for encrypted two-way chats. So you could talk about your drug shipments and your gun runs and stuff like that without worry that the feds were on to the conversations that you were having. And so these were jailbroken phones or phones specially manufactured to do crime on. This is 2018. This is through the 2010s. And so I'm. 13:08 a fue will come a fue. I don't I don't remember what his name he goes by is nothing matters. We don't know who give him a new name. We don't know who as all we know is it's an alias give him. You'll both be Tim so he took Tim and I are working together. They are. I love that it that off. You're like I can't figure that one out. I yick nailed it. Well, how would you say that a yik? 13:37 ayak ayak and off who ayak and off who okay, so I fume and a they are they are distributors for the phones and so these phones because they are crime phones. They can't set up a t mobile store and sell in the store. They can't have marketing campaigns or anything like that. It's all word of mouth and so what these guys were is they would go around and do phone marketing is trying to sell who don't have phones. Yeah, you can't cold the 14:04 Hello! Ahhhh! 14:11 it's so all people. Are you called? It's not connected. Oh, we got one. I was going to figure out how to get in touch with I got to find that guy who all I know is his number doesn't work. 14:33 I love the idea of a guy just got the Bluetooth headset in he's cooking his eggs. He's just work from home. Yeah, it's just like dial hello. Never mind, never mind bummer. That's really funny. So can't catch a freaking break, so they would go talking to all their other crime friends. Sure they'd be like hey, what kind of phone are you guys using? I need to get some crime and they try 15:02 I need to find my crime tribe, you know, crime tribe yeah, and so they would sell them. They'd be like like hey, we've got a good a good new phone for you, two way encryption, all that stuff and so these phones they were. They would look like normal phones, but they would obvious typically have like some weird guys in in ones are doing this is a I'll say your phone yeah well he 15:24 just put that on a story. Maybe there's no stories that there was just photo albums use code here's here. Here's thirty pictures uploaded at once. All the sales I've made this every criminals buying encrypted funds for me take your mask down for. Could you yeah yeah perfect smile yeah. I think he was flirting with me. You haven't happened to kill anybody lately right 15:52 those blood, so what and they would they would typically have like a hidden area in the phone where you would go have your chats and then you could like lock that area up okay kind of like remember. Remember, I'm sure this is still the way, but they've updated them, so I don't know if it's how it works. Remember the Coca Cola like freestyle machines. You know I'm talking about over. You could like do a little. They've got the they've got the three specific bubbles that you tap and and that's how you like get into the 16:21 machine and to work stuff. Yeah, they fix that yeah. I don't know how you do it now, but is the same concept. There was like specific hidden stuff you click on and then it gets you into the chat feature right and then you can have your hidden secret chats and then you can close it out and you don't have it. What was first Coca Cola freestyle machine you saw? Oh my boggling that's the closest. I think I've felt to how people in nineteen sixty nine must have felt watching us land on the moon. 16:56 you know I'm saying I was like I can put cherry and vanilla in this. The crazy thing about a coke freestyle machine is it's not that impressive. Like if you like step away from it, it's not that impressive, the but like easy thing about airplanes is that it's really not that impressive. If you look back, it's like no, it's pretty wild that we do that. Yeah, airplanes are airplanes. If you step back and you think about it, 17:23 pretty crazy that that works. Go, go a freestyle machines. If you step back, you're like how did human ingenuity do this? It's the same thing we had before with a screen. It's not before the screen, not the same thing we had before. If you genuinely genuinely hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on a normal coke thing where you just the ones with the levers. If you took some hoses and just spouted the hoses on those and then we're able to just 17:51 hit multiple levers at once. That's what a coke freestyle machine is with a screen that just makes sure all that levers gets levered. Yeah, it's the same concept, add an abacus and you were able to do all this and had up different numbers. It's the same thing. A calculator is they were talking about. Yeah, it's not impressive. I'm not impressed, but I will say I agree with you though. Seeing it for the first time was a revolutionary moment in my life. Yeah, 18:17 I there. There is the moment I say we can't say what it's called, but the drink that you can make yeah having to do that manually, do you still do that? 18:36 I don't think they call that. I don't know what they call it now. I call it a mental crisis. I don't know my mental health crisis. Oh yeah, it's my sunshine or whatever. We called it something else. Would you call it Alex? 18:52 he has no idea what we're talking about right. He has no idea what we're talking about. You know what we put all the soda, but all this together in one so that's not called. You don't know what was called. Ah Alex is have a mic today. 19:10 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code tilling and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time, so 19:37 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still. I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 19:54 anyways so and then these phones, what they had is they were connected to the service and so at any oh yeah, we went from the freestyle coke machine to the phone or to the things and then to gasoline. I don't know how we got where we were, but so so I also do the freestyle gas where I put. I put all of them in my car, oh free 20:24 I put them all yeah that's a good idea. 20:30 And then the green one really messes with what's really good. Yeah, I love the green one. It's great. Smells the best. Nothing ends the day like a good swig of diesel. So these phones, it was two thousand dollars for a six month subscription. Okay. And the reason why is your subscription service. Obviously they did the encryption and everything like that. But the biggest part of it is if you got got by the feds or something like right, right, right, then one of your crime allies could. 20:59 message support. Well, they could message support and support will remotely clear everything in the phone and so support would wipe it and so you would know like okay, your evidence is safe. They also had like features where it's like if it was an inactive for long enough, it would just wipe everything. I don't know. You seem pretty guilty in here. No, it's not even I literally didn't even do anything wrong. I'm just really mad because there was pictures of my kids on that phone 21:28 now there's not now there's not because you got got yeah I got got. We saw that you wiped that phone. That means you're pretty guilty. I really wasn't even do anything wrong yeah, but you can't prove it. I can't prove it, but I also can't prove my kids love me. Can I yeah? That's why I have pictures. That's why the court, that's why the court gave him to her mom on the week days. I know week days and I only get him on the weekends and now I don't have any proof. Yeah, I can't prove that they love me 21:55 that won't say it honestly. I'm already in a prison of my own. What does it matter if you put your cares yeah? Put me in your prison, put me in your prison, my prisons worse. I bet so dramatic 22:12 So they're running this thing, right? The government finds out about it and the government's like, and now all of a sudden there's a vacuum. Afu, I'm pretty confident I'm saying that different. 22:37 every time I say doesn't matter. Go ahead, Afu. It's only weird that you keep pointing it out to. I just don't remember what because it's not his real name. It's a code name that he yeah. That's why I don't think he's offended. I don't think he's listening and being like it's off. You know, like he's like it's a code name. It's like I made it up yeah. Okay, so it's AFU dude like just say the letters Afu he he has an idea. He's like oh 23:06 white space. He's an entrepreneur. for the criminals. That's what Anom is. And when you turned it on, 23:34 would scramble the numbers every time. So no one looking over your shoulder could look at the pattern or anything like that. So every time you were... But also you got to be like... Ha ha ha ha. 23:47 it's so much slower for you to open his phone. You're like yeah, like yeah, and I got sorry got text okay, shoot, okay, like I couldn't tell you we have a we have a key pad on my on my door, my front door, my house yeah. I legitimately was thinking this here. I don't think I can tell you what the code is. I just know the muscle memory of where to you know where the numbers are, where to go on it. Well, that was the interesting thing about like the early androids because remember the very early androids didn't have a number pad 24:16 It was literally that it was a pattern. You try that's right. Yeah, you would do the swiggle thing. Yeah, that was weird. Why did they do that? I just think they thought they were trying to be cool. Yeah, no one liked them. I liked it okay, but so there was these modified phones. You would open the phone and when you got on the phone, it would be full of all the apps, face, Twitter, locked were they like our like this slider phone, I phones, no 24:40 a sire phone we have. Oh yeah, those phones they didn't lock none of them locked. That's there was no reason for that back in all the time. Yeah, actually a hundred percent, but that yeah, you can accidentally go live on Instagram. There's so many more dangerous things could happen. Yeah, yeah from your pocket. So once you figure out your passcode, you get it on. It's got all the apps. It's got Facebook, Twitter, Google, all the stuff is on there, but if you tap them, nothing happens. They were fake 25:10 But you could, when you opened up the phone, there was a secret passcode. And once you entered the secret passcode, that did nothing. 25:38 yeah at the movie for me. It was all just felons just just yeah dudes. He recently got out of prison yeah. Everyone thought it was going to be a kids movie one family shows up people, the face tats and the theater were crazy. They were so high. They were saying actually where they so a this is a fun fact. Actually you can you can you can get on this was that the angry birds movie premiere was a Trojan horse to catch 26:06 to catch a ring criminal, yep, yep, yep, because they somehow knew because well, what people didn't know is that angry birds through the terms and conditions were allowed to look to your for a lot of the camera phone. So you were playing and then crime was happening. I was having by you yeah. You just finished doing some torture and you're like oh, did we kill that guy? Yeah, no, I just sold this amount to a guy in Montana. That's right. I 26:36 I sold dead kilograms of drugs to the yeah also look at my birds pretty angry, darn so once you got into this other side of the phone, the layers to this are crazy. You could then go open that calculator app and in the calculator app function like a normal calculator. 27:00 unless you entered the right code, then you enter the right code and then it opens up the a nom operating system and in there you have all the chat features and all the encrypted stuff and the secret stuff for you cry every time you get a text message. You got to go then you got to open this third party app and be like all right, then you got to open a calculator and do a math equation and then just to just to see a text that says got it. You're like all that forgot it 27:27 just to see a tax. That's a screenshot of angry birds needs like what I just see my new high score just to see a says hey and I can't make it today. My wife says I can't hang out. 27:40 And that was what they're encrypting. They're like, no one can know this. 27:46 Anyways, so stop looking at me like that. Stop it. Stop looking at me like that. I'm going to take all the gas out of your bags. So anyways, and so this, he was like, he's like, oh, this is a good idea. Yeah. 28:16 you know what I've done a lot of crime and he's like he's like and honestly if I get caught I bet I'm looking at a lot of prison yeah and so he calls up his lawyer and he's like hey let's meet with the FBI and his lawyers like love the way you're thinking and so the lawyer calls the FBI and is like hey I need to meet with you tomorrow. 28:42 and if they does that they're like you yeah, we can the coffee shop on seven or you are wrong. So they show up at the FBI office, Afu and his lawyer, yeah and they come in and they have a conference room meeting. He goes and he's like sharks for fourteen years. I've been operating a secret phone company behind the backs of the of the United States government and you, the Federal Board of Investigative Bureau, Bureau or Board Bureau, 29:13 Is it birds? Are you guys angry birds fans to today? I'm seeking full immunity in exchange for this small idol I found in the woods. 29:29 it's a fiber. He thinks that they'll honor the there's a hidden immunity. I he's like oh sweet. They can't take me to jail. He's like show the jury this and everyone's like ah. How do you pull it? How do you do it? He's like so 29:56 he's so like Sir, you're under rest. What the guys, how's work? I got the I don't. It wasn't. It wasn't a real immunity. That sucks sharks. No, he does. He does a full presentation of the poem. He goes. Have you guys ever heard of Trojan Shield? Maybe 30:23 Maybe this logo would. 30:29 no. You know about that one. 30:53 EEEE 30:56 are you talking about this one? I was like how long you're gonna let us sit here because you knew I was going to wait to talk. I love doing this show, so he's basically like yeah. He's I'm gonna let you in on this. If you install the back door yeah and then I don't get to go to prison sure and they're like well, why do you would you go to prison for he's like he's like 31:24 is a I don't know. I don't know. What do you know? That's a power move to show to the FBI office right. You roll in you go hello FBI, quick question for you. 31:44 What do you know? What do you know? They go, what do I know? What do you know about me? They go nothing. I commit to go. That's right. So if you want to be on an FBI's wanted list, ask him what they know about you and they're like we don't know much, but I can tell you we're going to find something. What you know about me nothing good 32:11 keep it that way cool. That's a that's like a hard thing. That's something that your uncle would say to you when he comes home for Thanksgiving and he's like your six and hey, what do you know about me? Nothing. Keep it that way. Yeah, what do you know about me? I know that mom was really stressed out that you're going to be here today. Keep it that way. Yeah, all right, if you want to keepers, I've got a phone company and I've got a competing off. You could have it or I've got a competing offer from 32:40 waiting star Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds, the reason he started his phone company, Mitt Mobile, is that he was because he was out on the crime mobile. That's what I'm saying. He was like he's like that was the opportunity of a lifetime shoot. I beat me to the punch yeah, so I'm going to make the cheapest phone. So he tells them hey, you can make a back door to these conversations. I don't I won't go to jail for anything ever. 33:09 and they're like okay, that's a pretty good deal and so the FBI is like super stoked about this, but then they realized pretty quickly like oh shoot the fourth amendment, which says you can't spy on your own people without having like a good reason to do it and like frick. We can't do this and I hate the fourth amendment and so the FBI was like that is the no context clip this so the FBI actually hate all the amendments. Actually, you know what's great about amendments? 33:39 you can dissamend them. That's right, get rid of them. I don't think we need any of them unamend all the amendments, so he so the FBI, the FBI says clip that the FBI says okay. You know what we can't we can't spy on our own people right, but you know who can China Australia Australia doesn't have a fourth amendment right. Okay, so they cop Australia and they're like yo Australia guess I'll show you 34:06 I know mate, sorry you won't believe out of habit, out of habit. He didn't even mean to he's like he's like and I mate sorry. I actually sorry about that. Do you think I who just hung up on me? Yeah, no 34:27 that was someone else. I have a recovery criminal. I just lie sorry. I just lied everybody all the time. That's my be. I'm trying to be more vulnerable about it. My name is off and also that's also a lie. I'm lying about that. I'm here's the bill. The US government says you guys can't arrest me either, so what do you guys think about spying on some American citizens and they're like 34:50 Like, Oh yeah, we've never been doing that. No, they say, they say, Hey, we've got some cool phones You guys want to try them out. We've got some laws, like we can spy on our own people, And so America's like, Frick! 35:18 and so America goes back to the drawing board and America's like why, like what? What are you talking about? Like at this point you're just trying to get info on Australians well like what do you mean shoot darn? Well, here's the deal. They the idea. The idea is we can get into infiltrate the international crime ring from Australia, okay, because it's a web like and so it's like a so they're like if this distributes outside Australia, then eventually we get into the international crime world, not just 35:46 sure Australian crime, but it starts in Australia because Australia is the one that doesn't have any protections for their citizens to be spied on at the time at the time yeah yeah, but Australia is like well, we can't pass that data to another foreign power. That's a law that we do have right and so America's like gosh dang it. So the FBI they were yeah they were they were really frustrated fifteen year old they were Rick very emotionally regulated when it comes to sleep on the map. 36:16 They pulled up the map and the FBI, and they've got colors of how many rights And they said Lithuania, hey, guess what, we've got these really sick phones. We'll set up the servers and we'll just share 36:46 was where they distributed the phones, all we're doing is passing out phones. And Lithuania's like, we don't care, to all these different nations. 37:14 process because they're like there's so many of us that are doing this. This is pretty sick. This was obvious is pretty sick. This is obviously someone of the FBI who was really hyped about this yeah and so this is clearly like two thousand this logo looks very two thousand fifteen to fourteen. This logo I honestly I would go earlier than now. I would say this looks two thousand three 37:38 no. This is like this is like for this is two thousand, that's what this is two thousand and eight, because it's got that you see that that that shine line that shine line yeah. That's a two thousand seven two thousand eight yeah. Well, I think that yeah, but this was two thousand and eighteen when the glossy everything was everything was very, you know, and so they put together just needs to make a comeback by the way. Let's change our logo. Let's make a glossy version of text that to Caleb 38:06 And so all these nations get involved is you would send your encrypted message, a copy of it would get sent to that Lithuanian server. And with that copy would be the unique IDs where they were located 38:36 just which is also something they have on you and your messages. No, because the Fourth Amendment 38:48 Yeah, they what about the Patriot Act made that possible with the NSA? I mean spying on people possible yeah, because it doesn't that doesn't that break the fourth amendment? Yeah, why would why did the Patriot Act make that work? Alice, do you know? Did they have to declare you a terrorist first? Do they have to be like that person's probably a terrorist? They have to have like reasonable cause 39:13 you know at the fourth amendment already says that right, but in the in like that time in that era two thousand six like reasonable cause was you look suspicious to us interesting. Maybe that's what the patriot act was as we just think that there's a chance that you might if you look some fish is the yeah yeah and which we know what that means yeah yeah we know what they meant they meant by that interesting well anyways so the FBI is watching all like reading all these and for a couple of years the started in twenty eighteen 39:41 And it started just in Australia. that had these phones and were communicating There were gangs, there were drug runners, like every single cloth of criminal you could think of was on these phones, using these phones 40:10 what like compiling data. They got to the point where over the course of four years they compiled twenty seven million messages of conversations on these phones related to crimes, various times back when texts weren't free, so that's crazy. No, this is twenty eighteen. Yeah, texts were free by then text for free in two thousand and eighteen. Yeah yeah. I still had to pay for minutes. No, you were I pay for minutes to last year. Shut up. No, yeah, I had those roll over. They gave them to me those orange ones 40:41 I had a handful of orange minutes. 40:45 you're talking about tick tacks. What are you saying mints? No, you're saying mints. I'm saying minutes. You're saying mints tick that you're talking about tick tacks. You saw you a orange minutes. You throw them in your mouth. Mints, yes, mints orange mints. Yeah, there's a free in a tick tack. I said to that video where that guy just called tick tack and was like hey, yeah. Are you interested in buying tick talk? 41:11 like do you work for them? No, I just think I just thought I just trying to broker a deal which honestly I love the idea where it's tick tack brought to you by tick or tick tock brought to you by tick tack is hilarious and he literally on the phone he's like he's like if you guys say no, I'm calling Kit Kat I was calling Dick sporting goods 41:38 you guys. You guys interested in Dicton 41:45 you guys could really crush on there. You could really crush it. Okay, cat tick tack. Who else could you do? Yeah, he called tick tack, kick cat. He called 42:04 yeah, I'd have to go watch it again. He called like six or seven companies on that and in that tick talk Kit Kat thought it was really funny. The lady in Kit Kat, she was well at first she was very annoyed and then she realized he's joking around. Yeah, but she was like honestly she's like. I think this makes sense. That's right. I mean that's my thing man. Is that every interaction you have could possibly end up being a viral video? So maybe just got to have better. Yeah, just to have you got to like in 42:33 be happy, don't be really so annoyed by these dudes who are like he can fill me via it with a fit check. What you got going on? If an influence or stops you on the street, I didn't know if it influences on the street to I don't know make one of their tick tocks with you just bark at them like until they run away. It'll go viral. People will love it. It'll be funny. They'll be like that barking guy. People will love it. Let's play it out to how would you bark? Let's hear how let's hear your board 43:02 I don't know how many I don't know how many barks it would that is so gen ex coated that it's not even what that's so yeah pretty that's a fifty year old man thing to do to be like I was a bar get some how is that man can I can I ask you you would be a video for for tick tock real quick? 43:32 and you're like. Both of you are insane in that scenario. There's neither one of you leaves that scenario being like I'm a person. No, you leave that scenario being like I've been destroyed by the internet. My life has been up ended. Any attachment I had to reality is gone because of what the internet has brought into my life. 43:54 he brought so much pain and suffering into my life that I'm now divorce for reality. The point where I am barking at a child on the side of the road in the Glendale Galleria 44:15 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tilen topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 44:41 I like 45:07 Okay, but for real, for real in the comments, tell us what's weirder, barking at someone or doing those TikTok videos. Oh. 45:17 I think it's more normal than and then you end up watching a thing called like bark coin or whatever and then you sell all of it insider trade turns out that's a legal. Nobody told me that you're in jail. You're barking at all the prisoners, but they bark back so it's a little oh yeah they bark back. All I've been looking for all my life is some of the bark back and I found them in prison. Who would have thought no so 45:45 The FBI is watching all these chats, right? And they're not getting involved with any of them. They're just compiling data. Yeah. Until Lithuania sees one and they realize, or no, I think it was Sweden. Sweden sees one and they realize, oh, this is an assassin that has actual intent and it looks like it's actually going to go off. Okay. So it was a guy who owned a coffee shop. He had a feud with another guy, didn't realize that guy was a criminal and that criminal was like, I'm going to hire an assassin to kill him. 46:14 Oh, that's another fear dude yeah is that like there's two possible scenarios that could happen to you yeah okay. One you could end up in a viral video on accident. You know person you have an interaction with a huge fire or two. You could accidentally fight someone who is a criminal yeah. You know you could flip someone off in traffic and then that person's a mob boss and suddenly you have no idea and he's got a grenade in his center console. 46:38 well he's a great across the street that he goes across the street and gets and then throws it into your car. Sorry, no a car hit the grenade. It wasn't yeah into you had nothing to do with the into the closed window of your car. That was purely coincidentally had nothing to do with the good. I just happened to be in the area as lawyer. 47:02 as lawyer will take it from here. Yeah, and the lawyer is like see. Look at this. No, yeah, look, you can't see anything. I'm a claymation 47:12 So the Swedish government sees this and the Swedes are like oh no, we need to get involved. Oh no, and so they call the guy yeah and they say hey, are you this coffee shop guy and he's like well, I have a name but that's okay yeah and they're like a column and he's like Starbucks and they're like hey, did you take someone off this week? I take someone off every day. It's kind of a thing. 47:36 have you ever heard of customers? I'm actually insufferable, so there's a lot of the work really it's kind of on brand for us. We're a coffee shop. We were supposed to be pompous and make everyone feel inferior yeah yeah. Oh, one of them wants to kill me. Oh okay, and how do you know that? How do you know yeah? Oh by breaking my fourth amendment rights. I've never heard of the fourth amendment yeah, so they tell him hey by the way someone's going to try to kill you tomorrow. You should call in sick and so he doesn't go and 48:05 the guy shows the assassin shows up can't find them. He survives, but they obviously don't say how they got that information, so they protect this guy and this happens a handful of times. He goes in the next day, though, and if you don't say like is someone if somebody calls you and says hey don't go into work tomorrow, pretend to be sick. How many sick days do you take? Yeah, how many say hey someone calls you and says hey 48:31 How many sick days you got? You know what you should take them all hey. You should take a sick day tomorrow because someone's plan are coming to your place of work and killing you. You know what I'll do you on better. I quit. I quit. I'm really never going back moving yeah. Can I go into witness protection or something like that? We should do more. You guys had that we had a sweetish and then hung up one day of work and you go home to your wife and you go. Hey, I can't go to work tomorrow. The Swedes called me and she's like 49:00 uh excuse me and she's like you're saying this because you want to go to the lake with Tim and go fish. That's what you're doing. You just want to spend time with your codependent mess for friendship. It's very weird how close you guys are yeah. It is weird to be close with someone who was trying to record a podcast. You know that scene in modern where Phil what's what's his name? 49:29 No, the grandma cam, J J Pritchett is his last name. I kept wanting to say Pritchett. I was like, that's not a first name where he wanted to go to fishing or he was wanting to go out on the boat and I like for his birthday and no one would go with him. Yeah. And then Manny put the boat in the pool. That was the best thing I've ever seen that show. Here's the thing. It shows don't do like heartwarming stuff like that anymore. Yeah. My heart was so warm. 49:57 I've never I don't know. Oh really it was a dad. I just watch it. I was just like a man. He's favorite episode of modern family is when Manny takes like a four hour nap and then J Gloria and little Joe have a picnic in the backyard man. He wakes up. It was the backyard. He's like you guys had a picnic without me. 50:26 What's crazy is that you can see that. That makes sense, that's totally a scene. 50:34 yeah. What am I talking about? Okay, so I don't know for years about modern family. How you suddenly have feelings for the first time in your entire life. Do you know whenever all I wanted to do the internet has broken my brain so much. I'm talking strangers that are trying to have a gallery and all I ever wanted to do is have my heart feel warm. That's it. I wanted to feel something, so I watched 50:58 television that was created ten years ago, and I watch episodes that came out a long time ago, and now I watch them on Hulu because it's commercial free and I use my best friend's account to do that. Sometimes I go I go hey, why am I paying for Hulu? You're just mooching off of me, even though it's his account and I forgot because I have dementia and I'm not even on your and the only reason I'm this sentimental 51:24 Anyways, so here's the deal. All this crime, they're watching the crime happen. Yeah, they're not getting involved except for a select cases where they think people are like gonna like die sure and when those situations happen, they get involved, but they're very careful not to like blow, yeah, but it's this thing's ballooning up and there's so many criminals involved in it now that is starting to become a little bit difficult to manage. All this comes to a head on June, 51:54 okay, twenty, twenty one because Lithuania's court order that allowed them to run those servers came to an edge, and so Lithuania called up all these countries. Now there's all those countries in that picture and it's like hey guys conference call real quick, and so they jump on a Google meet and the Thwani is like hey, can you jump on a call real quick great hey, can you go great one at a time yeah, so Lithuania is like okay, 52:21 Australia, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, America. Now that you're all here, I got to let you know we've got to turn the servers off. So sorry, I should have told you this earlier and so and everyone's like 52:39 okay yeah, what is the rest of exactly so like okay tomorrow is the mass arrest and so they all put together their operations for everyone that they've got data on and that next day, June, eight eight hundred search and seizures were conducted. Eight hundred arrests happened and as a result, ready for this list sure forty tons of drugs were seized, which was 53:08 over eight tons of cocaine, twenty two tons of cannabis, six tons of synthetic drug precursor, half of it being cannabis is kind of like all right, yeah, it kind of takes away. You know, two times, watch like shows like Brooklyn nine nine in the early episodes like they arrest a guy for smoking weed in his apartment. Yeah, you know, and now when you see that kind of stuff, you're just like it aged it so like oh, you know what the worst is 53:38 is the Bates Motel series. Did you watch that now the base motel series? One of the story plots in that is that he stumbles across this hidden operation that's running this weed farm? Oh yeah yeah, and it's like this huge field where they're secretly growing all this marijuana yeah, and it's like now you watch it and you're like yeah, yeah, so anyway half of this list being cannabis is kind of like okay yeah well and then also two hundred and fifty guns. 54:07 fifty five luxury cars, forty eight million dollars in various currencies and then of course the eight hundred arrests. It was the biggest sting operation in history in general and obviously involved the most right nations out of any sting operation. This was just Spain, just the country of Spain. This was their seizure man. Police departments love these loop. They love them. They love them and then 54:33 Here's a map of all the countries that their phones got into. got involved in this at some point. immediately after all these arrests on June 8th, police, like federal police agencies from all the different 55:01 agencies to be in one room together being like, And they just went public with it. and we've got them all. Here's the problem. 55:21 All of these court cases have been going on for years. Many of them have been delayed. And what has come up time and time again in these cases is two things. One, they are having a hard time linking these conversations back to the individuals that were arrested. And so they know that the ID was their ID, but they have no reason that they can say that that was that person that they arrested's ID. 55:51 And so the evidence while they've got all this evidence from the conversation, they're like is it's not a miss a part in court because we can't connect it to this person. Second, that's like whenever I got hit and run and then I went back to the place where it happened and I saw that car in the parking lot and I called the Kansas City police and I was like, hey, I got the car that hit me right here and then the car, the police shows up and I haven't talked to the person whose card is yet, but I'm sure I've got our cars next to each other and I go, look, here's the scratch all across my 56:21 back in his mind, look at the scratch on their car, this added up and he goes, it's not enough. We can't do anything. That's crazy. And I was like, you, what do you mean? You can't do anything. He's like, yeah, we can't do anything. And then with your report, yeah, like as a witness, I was like, what are you talking about? Like this is clearly the car that hit me. He goes, he goes, that won't stand. It's not enough. It won't. It won't. That's crazy. We would have to have footage of them hitting you. Yeah. And I was like, what? So really, if you're getting a hit run, I had to go inside 56:50 to the guy and be like hey, you hit me last night. He's like no, I never left the bar and I said ha ha ha be careful. What else you say? Ha ha because you clearly don't remember when you left the bar and drove away in a not straight line yeah yeah, but you did hit me and then he was like oh, I mean I'm sorry it gave me his insurance, but had he not yeah, so now I'm just gonna start hitting people yeah it's wild. It's one of those it's a it's a double edged sword because obviously like you want to have like those sorts of things are protections. 57:19 for people we got to hurry up, but okay, cheese just wasted so much time with the intro. I sat on a joke for like forty minutes. Fun payoff, so what were you saying about hitting? I don't know whatever man, so the second thing is this is like one of my steps son put the boat in the pool. It's really good. It's really good gesture, but the chlorine started to eat the paint 57:49 it's also a big boat. It's a pontoon. It's was bigger than the pool. I don't know why scratch the heck out of the side of my boat dude and we don't even have a pull. It's just a hot tub. It's a lateable hot 58:05 well, it was inflatable pop my inflatable hot thanks happy birthday to me. Am I right? Thanks dude, this made everything so much. You only does no one of this. I want to hang out with me, but I'm also surrounded by idiots. Tell your steps. You owe me a hot. You actually owe me. I'm going to bill you for that 58:28 No, so the second problem I was in your mom because of you. I met her great met you. She and I'll tell you what I'll be honest with you. She hit the fact that she was a mom for the first two years to years dude. 58:50 and then I met you. You couldn't. You were three years old and I knew you were a piece of crap. This kid I love her so much, but that kid sucks. This guy stings. Okay, so second guy second thing was a lot of these nations that were collecting this data like 59:16 technically this weird web. It was legal for the data to pass yeah, but it wasn't legal in like a court system, and so it's like they're yeah like you can technically gather this effort, but it's not admissible in a court of law right, so all these cases are getting thrown out yeah, so yeah, you got this this evidence is not legal yeah, so one yes, the biggest sting operation any country or has ever commenced. 59:40 the only sting operation that has involved this many nations in cooperation with each other. The biggest single day arrest spree the world has ever seen and the largest Caesar by far, but the majority of the people that they arrested their cases or their charges are getting dropped right. So can you call it successful? Probably not, but was it kind of pretty cool? You can call the crime successful, the crime, the crime was successful. The most successful part of it is Afu doesn't have to go to jail. 01:00:10 like he he is the he's the genius in this whole thing. He got out of guy all of his possible. You wanted to do four years of work that will amount to absolutely nothing and let me off the hook for all of my crimes, including murder, any crimes committed or that I will commit that I will commit like maybe in the future. I commit some more cause honestly I don't know what else I'm going to do in my life. Once saved always say 01:00:38 so yeah, that's a accepted forgiveness one time. I'm good. No, you can't do this. I prayed in six grade. You can't arrest me. Oh come to the bureau. All my crimes are wiped away. I feel like this is blast for me. It's not it's a it's okay song anyways. All right, I've had enough of this. That's operation, Georgia shield. 01:01:07 you can fiddle that guy off. Oh, I had more to say say it. 01:01:20 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of things. I learned last night. 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Ken Allen’s Incredible Escapes from the San Diego Zoo | Ep 257

01-21-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 there's an reggae tan in the San Diego Zoo, who for years tortured the zoo keepers by being unmanageable would not a cage got out ran around the zoo high five and kids kiss and mom stay in the cage. His name proper name, Ken Allen, can if 00:21 can is Alan. Ken Allen was an orangutan in the San Diego Zoo and this week we're talking about all the efforts the zoo had to do to try to keep this very smart primate in close yeah. He was actually a human a cost the whole time from birth. 00:42 all right. This is a site. It's a comedy podcast where we learn something new every single week and this week is no different. Thanks for checking out the show. We'll see at the end of it. 00:56 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Ken Allen, Ken Allen, Ken Allen? No take a guess. I'll tell you he was born in nineteen seventy one. See if that helps you at all. Ken Allen yeah, you have a brother. I maybe I don't know if we know about him. I mean he could okay, so he's not maybe a Malin's brother. No definitely not definitely not. I mean 01:22 honestly looking at him like I could see him being like a long lost brother. Okay, I didn't think about that until you said it, but now that I'm looking at us so can Alan yeah. Okay, you want to see a picture of him. I don't think it'll help, but sure yeah. Let me know if you can tell who this guy is 01:47 it's an orangutan. Is this orangutans name yeah? This a reggae tank is named Ken Allen what okay, so I love this. I'm so excited for this story. Okay, so so Ken Allen, 02:13 is an reggaetang. He was yeah. He lives in the San Diego Zoo currently well, no, not currently. He's born in nineteen seventy one. He was born February thirteen nine to seventy one. A reggaetang live in the San Diego Zoo. I don't know what's an orangutan life span or rang tang lifespan. So it's just you know when I say the word a reggaetang, I like I like say the first half pretty confident and that I is letting 02:40 drift off at the end, because I don't know if it's ringing a tongue ring a thing. Yeah, you know, honestly, this is the first time I have studied for this episode and when I searched for ring and tain lifespan, I realized there's no G at the end. I've always say he's a ring a thing because of the Tang commercials. Yeah, interesting, yeah, interesting how that just kind of breaks your brain a little bit doesn't. It's kind of like how I feel completely like I knew that I saw someone recently talking about the santa claus movie. Yeah, how does that mean? Yeah, it's a pun. 03:09 Yeah, but like they always, but after that movie, the line, we all spell Santa Claus has an E at the end yeah yeah and auto correct doesn't out correct you because claus is a wuss is a word yeah that's tricky. Meringue tains live on average thirty five to forty years in the wild, but in captivity they can live up to fifty years wow or or sixty or more is what it says. It says, but they can in captivity live up to fifty years. 03:34 or live up to sixty years or more. Why do you say that just say can live over sixty years? Why do you say? Why did they say that because there's currently one orangutan that is like sixty two yeah? It actually does say the next sentence. It says the record for longest lived orangutan. Now I'm like so self conscious about my pronunciation of that, which is weird, because I'm never self conscious about pronouncing stuff wrong in captivity is held by an orangutan named gypsy. 04:04 who died at the age of sixty two in Tokyo called it yeah, so you were dead on anyways. Ken, he was born in the San Diego Zoo in February, thirteen, nineteen seventy one. He was named for the two zookeepers, Ken and Al and they were like what if we gave him after us, which is kind of adorable. Like that's those are some good work friends yeah, but let's be fair. There's not a lot of jobs where you get to name an like 04:32 like if you're a software developer and you're like, let's name this new software, Ken Allen, which is, I mean, I guess it's a cool Ken Allen does kind of flow anyways. It was yeah, it would be like Alan Kim. Yeah, yeah, so Ken was born and pretty quickly they realized that Ken's mother in the zoo was not fit to be a mother. She wasn't a very good mother because she was also smoking 05:00 she was she was getting tattoos instead of paying rent to the zoo yeah yeah and she always bought these weird boyfriends home yeah really bad men. She's bringing boyfriends from the gorilla pit home yeah yeah you can't have gorillas or orangutans that's what I'm saying yeah they always pronounce a ring a tan with a G yeah. What are you a rang a tang a reggae bag a rang a tang and you're like what so so they realized because can so ken's mother 05:30 she had a problem where I don't know one really knows why, but she had a problem where she just kept sitting on ken when he was an infant, and they're like do you not see your child and she's like I've been hanging out with it. Well, that was her chicken boyfriend, a chicken boyfriend like you're supposed to she's certain geese and stuff and they were like sit on him right dump and I'm doing something 05:58 and excuse me, I'm a podcasting that was the whole bit. You can keep okay got it and so I just like I'm podcast normally. Normally what they would do is a new orangutan is born. They take that a ring and they say you live with your mom for a little bit and then we're going to figure out what pen we put you in as you mature. Yeah with 06:26 Ken, they said we got to separate you. She's going to kill you. She keeps sitting on top of you. She's going to crush you, so they take him to an indoor enclosure. That's like a private enclosure, okay, and they raise him. Ken and Alan raise him on their own sure, and here's the thing about this enclosure. They put in a bunch of toys. They put a bunch of ropes and stuff he can swing on, but because this he's in there by himself overnight, they're like we can't leave him in there overnight alone, and so what they would did is they 06:56 they had a cage like a picture like a kennel that they would take him in at night. They'd walk him into the cage at night, walk him in there, leave and then in the morning they get there and let him back out so that way he couldn't hurt himself overnight and so he's got a post more fun. Yeah, so yeah, so Ken learned gets out of the cage can learn. He can unscrew the bolts on the cage and so he started taking apart his cage and going out and playing on night. So the 07:23 workers, the zookeepers going out, hanging out with the chicks like it's an indoor enclosure can't get out, but he's still jumping around and playing all night playing with his toys swinging from from the ropes that they hung from and they get there in the morning and there's the disassembled cage and then him just out in the open and they would then put the cage back together and take him back to the cage and so he this happened a couple of times. 07:51 that he realized he had to put it back together and can realized. Oh, these zookeepers, they don't want me out of this cage. They want me to be in this cage when they get back. So they the zookeepers realized one morning they show up and this cage is the cake or they show up. He's in the cage, but all the toys are not where they left them. They usually clean up, put them in the bins, but they're all out in the open. They're like, how is this happening? And so they stay back 08:21 one night and they wait. So they leave, they make him think that he's gone and they catch him. What he did is he took the screws out, disassembled the whole thing and then he would go play for a while. And when the sun started to come up, he went back and he reassembled the cage with him inside it. And so that way they would find him back in the cage. And they were like, we think he's been doing this for weeks, reassembling the cage when the sun came up and then waiting in there for us to show up. So that way. 08:47 he want to get in trouble. I don't know what they did. What he showed up? Well, they would taste me. He's like I quit getting taste guys like it's like I don't want to be tased. Yeah, yeah, so they effective. So they rebuilt the cage. They built a cage that couldn't be disassembled. I don't know how they did it. They well did it yeah, something like that. I don't know what they did, but once they did that, he stopped escaping in the middle of the night and that's the end of the story. Just kidding and so 09:16 he also he grew violent, so vengeful, so he grows up. He started writing letters to the family members, not to can and out to get it out to their for to kin's wife Marie. Yeah, he was sitting right in that postcard postcards and he would write dear Marie. When I leave my cage at night, I watch you said 09:45 Well, this looks like it was written by an orangutan, so I that narrows it down. I'm pretty sure it's the right. Did your hand writing looks like an orangutan wrote that so they're very they're huge by the way. If you are big, they're not small, they're not small, they're massive, they're way bigger than you think. They're like gorillas yeah, but I think they're bigger than gorillas. Are they? I don't know. They're pretty big are a ring times bigger 10:14 than gorillas. No, oh they're not bigger than the gorillas. Gorilla is typically weighs between three hundred and five hundred pounds male adult male gorillas while adult orangutans typically weigh between a hundred and two hundred stand up to four and a half feet tall. We do a side by side image. Is there a side by side? Let's see if I can find it orangutan versus gorilla. Don't look that up. There might be some weird YouTube channel 10:42 actually this is perfect. This is a perfect comparison. That means it's going to be stupid. What are you talking about? This is a perfect. This is this is exactly what you're looking for. Well, I mean this is AI, but it's probably pretty close to what they look like. Maybe their heads are way yeah. They got these they got big heads. I mean well, here's one. I don't know if that measurement is right. 11:10 okay, because hold on here. I'm going to show you some unless in less. The grill over here looks like King Kong. That doesn't look like real. That's why I picked that one. Unless this woman is a very small person, then Arangans are bigger than that than what I just said. That's what I was that's pretty big. That's what I was saying. Look how huge that thing is and you know that's I mean that's came from the Bible. 11:37 guys with a mormon's. I mean here's the thing though. Here's a thing I guess for the sake of argument, it's hair is long and flowy, so maybe that's right. What all you that I'm thinking is yeah for sure that's crazy though. Also, why is she that close to it? I think they found it in the wild in the public and it's just a she look out. It's chilling yeah. Look out the 11:59 this. I mean, a reggaetans are pretty peaceful creatures. This a reggaetan is about to ask you if you watch the finale of the good place. It's gonna be like. Did you see that you see that? Did you think is you happy to see that I started off super strong? I thought it was. I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, here's here's one. I can see where they're. This one looks like it got a recent cut. I think this is a female because it's headed as it 12:28 its head is a different shape. Okay, so I think this might be a female, so maybe that's why it's size looks so different, but without all that flowy hair, it doesn't look as big. Yeah, yeah, okay. 12:46 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 12:58 We do monthly hangouts. We do. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 13:30 Back to Ken. Ken is, Ken lives the rest of his childhood in this cage that he can't escape. Well, I mean, he lives the evenings in the cage and wakes up in the morning and then they let him out, he plays and then they put him back, right? Well, grows up to the age where it's like, okay, now it's time to assimilate him back into our culture in the zoo. And so they take him to an orangutan enclosure and they put him in an enclosure with, where he could have a community. And so, because they were a little worried. 14:00 They're like he's pretty smart. He's smarter than other orangutans to be able to both unscrew that but then also put it back together. That's a pretty intelligent primate and so he says so they so they say okay we got to put him put him somewhere where we think he might be safer. So they put him in one where he can have a community. They said okay I think if he's got community 14:18 then maybe he will be less. So you join a small group and so every week they show up and they sit down or they just ask like normal small group questions. You know like what's your browser history? That's a good starting good for someone you've never met before they go comfortable starter. What do you been searching? You're like looking up like hey, why don't you start with what's my wife's name? 14:42 Huh? Where we start with how we start with like where I got a high school. What do you do? What do you what do I do for the? Why are you jumping straight to this weird this crazy question? Yeah, I don't know what's your brown. What do you think my Rob Bell? What do you think? I mean it depends what you think. I mean yeah, depending on your answer to this Mark Drisco. Freaking so 15:08 he got involved, started volunteering. You know they had him there every weekend for church for kids church. They put him in an enclosure that would have for church. I mean I don't know if you've been to church lately, but the first time guests get freaking TVs. Do they get coffee mugs, TVs, they get a 15:29 a bundle of cash, just a bag of cash, you know, and then you do a volunteer night. Each volunteer gets a ten percent off coupon to the coffee shop in the church. Yeah, yeah pretty wild stuff. So he they put him just waits for me to get done with my bits and then he's like yeah. Okay, now I can teach you again, so the regattent. There's the thing I'm doing a thing 15:57 Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'll listen to this back later. I'll be driving and you'll go that's so funny. You I'll take you so oh my gosh, like wait. I didn't remember you doing that bit yeah yeah yeah. It's okay. If I was listening, I want to start most broad day sister speaking of speaking of can't remember. Did you see that there is a lab that is run? I think it's forty three successful tests. 16:26 curing Alzheimer's. Did you see this what so they've done? I just don't like how you pivoted to that to be honest speaking of can't remember that was so what here's a re successful. This is my biggest fear. I think yeah curing it curing it yes, yes, like reversing yes, yes, so what they've what the test is is long story short and I'm going off memory here, so we'll see if I get this right. 16:56 But long story short, what, And they said that the reason why you have that deficiency gets blocked up. and then you can still remember. and they said within two weeks, or they said, 17:24 I think it was within a few hours their memories started to return and within two weeks their disposition returned to what their disposition was like before their the diagnosis and it's still very early. It's still only like 40 tests. So it's not enough to like be conclusive yet, right? But so far, like very early stage, like really, really positive signs that they can reverse Alzheimer's, which is bonkers. And honestly, 17:51 that's been my biggest fear my whole life. I feel like I'm been early onset Alzheimer's since I'm like eleven really and so I'm glad they're figuring that out because I'm tear. That's your biggest fear you've never told my biggest fear is going to prison for something I didn't commit. That's right. My second biggest fear never told me your ars before yeah I'm I'm to ever said that I'm pretty confident. I'm I'm pretty confident. I'm already on the road to it really you think so that is the first I don't know if dementia and also you've never told me this pretty sure they are, but why do you think that because I can't remember anything 18:20 Yeah, because like I was your wife will be like you don't ever say this yeah that's what happens that happens to you and our podcast yeah constantly you'll bring up bits and call backs and I'll be like I can't remember that yeah and and I do you're gas lighting me it would be something you would do, but it's not even it's not just this it's 18:41 I was such a just throw it out there. I mean we gaslight each other for fun. We don't gaslight each other. 18:51 master manipulators cannot be manipulated. What did I gas like you for yesterday? I guess that you for something or what I that was this morning right yeah about being cold in here. Yeah, you tried anyway. Yeah, you got really bad. I got to you. I got you yeah. I just never you've never brought up. Oh, I'm scared of it so I'm very scared of it so 19:17 you're doing it right now. You bring it up. You say it like I mean like not even on the podcast like in our normal conversations. You say it all the time. It's like probably the number one thing every day every day we're on the phone. You don't even say goodbye to him for you. Just go man. I hope I don't forget you. 19:36 I like you hope you don't forget me. I hope I always remember who you are. You hang up weird way to say you've done that since two thousand and nine teen dude, and I was like wow, it's a weird way to end the phone calls at first. I was like oh, it's like a bit you're doing that little mate thing. You're like all right, they yeah, but you started being like. I hope I always remember who you are and then you hang up 20:02 every day. You did it this morning. We talked on the phone this morning about how cold it isn't here. I was like made it so cold 20:13 hey buddy, not to be like super sentimental or whatever rise. I hope I never forget you. You're like honestly, I'm pretty annoying. I don't know to eat some bro. Freaking you have pepperoni and yeah dude, you've got a sack of pepperoni. She's trying to like what are you doing? I'm just making sure I don't forget all right. Okay, 20:43 yeah. My just needs a ton of protein and he says it's got. He doesn't want to forget this bag of pepperoni every holiday, every birthday, sir, you can't bring that in here. This is my birthday gift. 20:59 Oh my gosh yeah. So anyways, I guess I have told you that simulating it to yeah. I get the simulating into this other enclosure and they're trying to get. They put him in a small group. He's volunteer yours. That's how we got here. Yeah, yeah, that's how he got to join the worship. We got to eating pepperoni, so you don't forget yeah. It's just a logical path. No, so they put Ken in an enclosure 21:24 with a community. So there's three female orangutan and one male orangutan, which I think anybody was him yeah and him okay, and so I think anybody could see this and say that probably was an oversight okay, because pretty the I don't know what immediately they start competing for who's going to be yes. Yes, none of the reports and he's like a story. He's like dude. I can't beat you up, but I can lock your cage. I 21:54 I read a lot about this and none of the reports tell me the names of the female orangutans okay, but they all tell us the male's name is Otis, which which you've got can Alan, which sounds like the most whole schooled orangutan that exists and then you put them in a community with Otis. It's the kind of yeah yeah, so this has a face scar. He's got 22:21 you know a shin tattoo, yep a motorcycle yeah yeah, so Otis Otis and Ken are mortal enemies. That's my biggest fear. Dude is to get locked in a reggae tan cage with Otis with the with an array tag named Otis. What's your biggest fear? I think the Alzheimer's 22:49 So, Ken and Otis become enemies, but here's the thing. Yeah. So you know in the zoo, like when you go to the big enclosures and they've got the, you walk up to the railing and then it's like a big pit and they're all down there. Well, Ken one day realized, oh. 23:14 the this wall is like a brick wall. I can climb this yeah and so he does he climbs up that brick wall and he jumps over the railing oh no and then he just strolls through the zoo and he goes and he's looking at the animals. He's like oh my God. What are we doing? You're meant to run free free willy. Let's the whales out 23:43 that's the way I happen. It doesn't get a great water, rains, the water from the whale enclosure. He's like be free yeah. He's and why aren't you swimming? They're like they're flopping there. They can breathe though yeah. They don't flop. Do they do? Whales will flop. I would assume anything you put anything that swims on land at flops yeah, so he's walking around. He hits the the snack bar for sure yeah. 24:09 you know he's like blending in with a family they like she's like that's my husband. Hi, so funny, you know well, that's the thing he's he's super peaceful. He genuinely during the art like it's open. It's a bunch of zoos. There's a bunch of gas field trip there. Yes, yes, that's the only time we were rich. The zoo was on field trips really yeah. We weren't like a zoo family. Yeah, that's fair. We were a to be fair. You didn't have a great zoo. The because the park is it was fine. It's pretty. I guess I haven't been 24:37 it's okay. I just assumed it so I guess I guess I just assumed I just that's on yeah, that's on me. I just assume we had everything you could feed the giraffes out of your hand. They can lick all the way around and up your arm. 24:53 Okay, one of them they let you tongue kiss. 25:00 young kiss the dress. I know so much yeah, so we weren't allowed to because we were Christian, but they asked you before well, that was a zoo did not allow us. That's why we were the zoo. My mom said like we were not going to the zoo because I don't want to cause you to stumble by making out with a giraffe. 25:24 I hate the direction this is going right now. So so can you should keep the episode, so I don't keep doing tongue. Can I keep over here being like giraffe tongue down your throat? You know and you're like to tell me the stories. Let me keep going to get. You got to push through gets trying to get through the zoo. How we got here, get got out, can't got out 25:50 the zoo is open is the zoo's open. Everybody's seeing all the animals. Ken's walking around. He's looking at the drafts. He's the elephants and he's just strolling around like he's a park guest and people are stopping and they're taking pictures with him on their little disposable cameras like yeah, they're just taking photos with Ken like he's like 26:11 he's that's the thing he's just totally peaceful and finally some zookeepers notice and they're like wait is that ken allen or otis and so they go and they approach him and they expected him to put up a fight or it to be an issue. They were really nervous about this and now and he goes 26:32 so they do. They clear this little area in the zoo where he was at and they expected they were going to have to like tranquilize him or something and they approached him and he just he literally did that. They saw them and he just let them lead him back to his enclosure and they took him in his closure. They put him back and and that was like get back in there. He's like he's down the wall and they're like all right, so a couple days later 27:00 he does it again. He clives out of the enclosure and here's the thing they weren't sure how he did it this first time in spank him or anything, so he he was like. I guess I could do it again. Yeah, they were gentle. They were like a no no gentle Paris. I'll use that word. We're going to do something else right now. No sorry, we're going to do something else right now. 27:28 I understand how you feel. I hear you, please put the knife away. That's gentle parent, a yeah, so he he escapes again and this time he same thing walking around the zoo, getting pictures taken with people and I should clarify 27:49 the zoo was terrified when this first happened. The first is yeah. They were like oh we're done for yeah. We're gonna be a media fires gonna rip a kid apart. Well they were they were worried about the press. They weren't worried about the kids in the zoo. They were worried that the press was regattas attack. Is that a thing? I mean any wild any wild animal can attack, but Ken was a pretty peaceful animal. They knew that, but any animal that's a risk right, but they were more worried about the negative press that one of our right, one of our giant apes got out 28:19 one of our four foot five hundred and sixty pound apes got out, and so they were afraid for it to hit the press. Well, the next day it hits the press and it was super positive. Boomed. Yeah, it was super positive. The reception people were excited about it because the way that this was portrayed in the in the press was like it was like a bit like it was like a joke, and so they started calling him Harry Houdini, which is H A I R Y 28:49 Houdini, because they heard the story about him escaping when he was a child and getting out and it wait years. This he was born. This is like mid eighties when this is happening. Yeah, this seems like a pretty eighties thing to happen. Yes, yeah, so yeah. I was like Travis the chimpanzee hasn't had eighty eighty five when this happened. Yeah summer of summer of eighty five, which is honestly a very summer of eighty five of then right. I wasn't alive in summer eighty five, but honestly this fits yeah reggae tan summer and so 29:19 the so yeah San Diego gets pumped about yeah can and attendance spikes the rest of summer, because people are hoping to see Ken to see Ken Allen escape the hair. They go come here yeah and he's like hey, I'm not a freaking cat. What do you think I am that kid Alan's like hey, I'll hang out with you 29:45 I'm not a cat, but I'm not a cat. None of this. Yeah. Oh, you got a little, you got a little toy. 29:58 stop, stop it with that, stop it with that you're distracting me. You can't forget. I've seen the world. I've been out everyone's everyone, so especially it was so cool. It was so still is to be honest still so sick. 30:20 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. 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It's actually really hard to not join it so 31:21 June 13th, 1985 was his first escape. It hits the news, it becomes a big deal in San Diego. He gets dubbed the Harry Houdini, and it hits the streets. And so people started selling T-shirts that said Free Ken Allen. They started making bumper stickers that said Free Ken Allen. There was a fan club that was started, which, super sick, called the Orang Gang. Oh heck yeah. Love that. Yeah. 31:47 And so they were big fans of this guy. This guy. And so people started coming to the zoo with hopes that Ken was going to get out while they were there. But here's the thing, Ken realized that he was being watched. And so Ken, they, Ken was, Ken had like pretty regular like erratic behavior, I shouldn't say erratic behavior, but behaviors that the zookeepers didn't want him to have within the cage. 32:16 primarily with him like fighting Otis and but he wouldn't fight out us when the zookeepers were around yeah he he wait till they're on that he would just smack on us in the back of the head yeah pretty much and so he started to recognize who the zookeepers were because of their uniforms yeah it's a zookeepers actually started dressing like in street clothes so that way he wouldn't recognize them so that way they could catch him misbehaving the 32:46 redirect your energy yeah, and he was and he would say are you a cop? He told me a what the heck is this? You gave your under cover. Yeah, if you're got you got to tell me your license plate has to have caught on the license plate. I'm a sovereign citizen. You should have heard what I would have said 33:16 That wasn't part of the bit, but it fits so well. I hate that. 33:27 Oh, that's great so so for like the better part of a couple months, people are showing up, hoping to see Ken escape sure Ken doesn't do it for anyone. Can Ken's here, Ken's on his own. He's his own man until July, then the and then the zoo keepers like shoot. Do people are coming less and less. We got to get them their skin, so July twenty nine throws around okay, and he does it again. He climbs the wall gets out same thing, strolling the park, seeing the animals, taking pictures with guests. Everyone's excited. 33:56 And then he goes back to his enclosure there's something that they don't give me So he starts literally stoning Otis, And that's when the zookeepers were like, 34:22 I am a zoo keeper and he's like what he's like you said I told you I tell me you can't. I need your day in patch number. 34:32 and you got me doing that and and that's exactly what happened. The zoo keeper show up. He immediately turns himself in and they walk him back into the thing. I was so to notice you should everybody said though that guy yeah. Have you talked to Otis? He kind of dude is not even that the other the girls you put me with are hot. It's not even that it's just that they're the only ones it's just that Otis and it's like I didn't think I was going to like him at first, but they've grown on me. 35:01 you know, and now you know they're my angels and Otis is just there yeah. I don't like him and I don't like this yeah. I'm not a fan of any of this. I could honestly look at me in the eyes right now. I could leave yeah any time yeah. I choose yeah this life yeah and so 35:28 This event was one where they were like, okay, we need to figure this out. Okay, we need to figure out how to stop him because he is he is he's too good at this. He's escaping too much. Yeah. And so what they did is they separated him and Otis. Otis was going to go to a new enclosure. Otis is a Otis is a problem for him. And so trigger a trigger. Yeah, there you go. And then they said, okay, we're all going to put them into a different enclosure for a moment, though. 35:56 and we're going to renovate this enclosure. So they put him in solitary confinement actually and they gave him a tv, a black and white tv to watch black and white movies for like a week while they had an operation underway with his in yeah. They did give him a black and white tv. They let him watch movies for a week because well because they didn't want to torture him. Could you give like the the primates at a zoo like a smartphone and they would just get addicted to social media? I probably probably yeah, probably huh? 36:26 that's an interesting thing. Should we try no? I is torture. Let's just try it on teenagers and stay good idea. So they they put them in solitary. They take all the other girls out and then they go to renovate this. What they did is they hired a group of professional rock climbers to find and identify all the handholds on that wall and they rent a rock climber 36:53 and they identified all the handholds and they patched them with concrete and so they made the wall just essentially this big smooth wall and then yeah. That would have been the easiest thing to do and then they installed a moat and so he'd have to swim across the most enclosures have motes and then rambe had a moat and then to take it one step further. They put in an electric fence at the top of the wall and so they're like there's he doesn't have a chance now like he's got a swim. He's got a climb and he's got a 37:21 get shocked to make it through while he'll be wet at that point or I could just dress like one of you. 37:29 because you guys are dumber than I am yeah, because you all you're all stupid yeah, and so they let him back in an enclosure. They bring in two of the girls that he had before he's there. I like the other and this isn't as fun without Otis here to be honest. One of the I only liked them because I could get them to like me more than Otis now that it's just us. There's no competition. There's just the spark is gone. I realize now that I actually kind of liked Otis 37:58 and I just like beating Otis. So he escaped the enclosure, went to Otis' enclosure and he said, hey Otis, please don't forget me. No, he, one of the construction workers by mistake, left a bar, just some sort of bar and it like got covered up with some dirt or something like that. Sure. And he found it. And so Ken took that bar and he hid it under a rock and he waited for a time when none of the zookeepers were around. 38:27 and he took one of the female ring of things and he taught her how to use it and so he taught her hey. If you go to the window over here and you get underneath it, you can probably break the window and so I don't know how this session went. I don't know. I he probably wasn't like he's like hey, if you do this, you can break it over like, but he there were on record. The zookeepers are on record saying yeah. He taught the females how to break this window with this bar and so a couple days go by 38:57 she goes and she busts that window with that thing and he gets out again and he goes explores the zoo and same thing super peace girls stated the girls got out to the girls got out to the one of them. So here's what happened. All three of them cut out. He goes and he explores same thing, super peaceful. People are taking pictures with them. They're excited to see him. Yeah, they get him. They girls are balling there. I mean just throw and kids 39:27 kids pretty cool though. Kids pretty cool kids gets a cool one yeah. So they get them all back to it. So can peaceful just turns himself in one of the ladies peaceful turns herself in the other one. She runs and so they had to actually what's the word I'm looking tranquilize tranquilize. Thank you. They had a tranquilizer and then drag her back and then they sealed it. They took a metal detector and looked for other other items that were left behind, identified that there was nothing there 39:56 called it good, said, okay, we've got him. There was one more event where someone who was cleaning extended wooden squeegee. And so they climbed to the wall. 40:25 And so he climbed once, felt it, and he was like, oh yeah, forget that, and climbed back down. But he still climbs all the time, he just doesn't climb that fence. The ladies, when they found this squeegee stick, it's like a five foot extended squeegee stick. They're like, I bet we could push that fence up. They climbed, and they got to the top, and they hooked it over the top, and they climbed up the pole of the stick, and then hopped over the fence, and got out that way. And so the two of them got out. 40:48 without Ken and Ken was so mad. It was like you left me. Why I could leave a bar. We used to write Sid for this. 41:08 So same thing, they catch them, one of them trying to run, the same duo, same duo, so one of them tried to run, they have to, yeah, and they drag them back. And then it stops. For like two years, there's no event, nothing happens. People still love Ken, they still have the shirts, he's still kind of like a local icon, but there's nothing major has happened. Until one day, there was a perfect storm. 41:37 and Ken's hanging out in his enclosure, and there is an issue with the pump in the moat. And so they had to drain the moat out. And when they drained the moat out, Ken realized it was his time. Oh yeah. So Ken climbs the fence. No moat no more. And I don't know how he figured this out, but Ken climbs the fence. 41:58 and he climbs over to the edge where the wires connect to the fence to electrify the fence. And he takes a twig and he breaks that wire connection. So now it's not electrified anymore. And he climbs up the fence and out and over the fence and now he's free again. And he roams around, explores the whole thing. Same thing as always, taking pictures with people, super peaceful, having a good time, but then he sees them. He sees the shorts, he sees the vests. 42:26 and the little hats, the zookeepers, Ken and Alan, his namesake, and he sees them and things are a little different this time. It's been two years since he's got out and he says, I ain't going back. And so he sees them and he turns and he runs. And so he just starts sprinting across. And so now he is running through the San Diego Zoo, this orangutan, full speed. The zookeepers are chasing after him full speed. And the crowds are on Ken Allen's side. The... 42:53 there they're throwing up at the zoo keepers and they're tripping them. Yeah, they're like can can can can exactly and so it's like a mad house in there. Everyone that there's a huge mob like coming to see this. It's almost like a parade and everyone's cheering for him. He's running. They're chasing him. He's he's like dodging them, climbing up trees, jumping over them and stuff like that, like escaping these zoo keepers yeah and then it all comes to this kind of culminating moment right when 43:22 the zookeepers corner him near the lion pit and they're nervous that he's going to jump the fence and then obviously that doesn't end well for Ken. And so that's when they decided, okay, we need to take our chance real quick and they did tranquilize him and they got him back. And so after that they learned, okay, we can never have multiple things malfunction at once and have him in there or really have anything malfunctioning and have him in there because he'll find the vulnerability. So then from that moment on, whenever there was repairs, 43:50 or anything happening. He's got to go solitary confinement. He's got to go watch gone with the wind for a couple hours and then he can come back when everything's patched up. Yes, we're watching. I don't know. Just I don't know that old something I don't remember and so that was his last escape. That was his last time he got out, so he had what is that for escapes where he escaped the actual enclosures, but also when he was a child, he was possibly escaping, just unscrewing these bolts 44:20 And he became a folk hero for years. He was remembered and there was, they would run like commercials about him for the San Diego Zoo. And this San Diego Zoo jail and it's got his little number on it. But he was a hero in the zoo until 2001. Unfortunately, he passed away a little early because he had lymphoma. 44:46 and so they put him down, but they have a plaque dedicated to his honor to this day in a zoo. Oh, two thousand December first two thousand, but he's remembered as Harry Houdini with an eye and he is the probably the most intelligent a ring at hand that they've ever had in that zoo and wow yeah, he's a hero. That's crazy. They ran gang. That's pretty cool. Well, 45:15 Thank you for listening to this episode. 45:19 I hope I don't forget you. I hope that years from now I remember that you were here. 45:34 Bit of a laugh. 45:42 Hey, thanks for being here for this episode of things. I learned last night. I promise I will never forget you. If you liked this show, do you want more of it? We actually mentioned it in this episode. There is a episode about Travis, the chimpanzee who was a movie chimpanzee. 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Zoos are places where animals are carefully contained, but sometimes, a star breaks all the rules. In the 1980s, the San Diego Zoo was home to an orangutan like no other. His name was Ken Allen, and he wasn’t just any orangutan—he was an escape artist, a folk hero, and a lovable mischief-maker. Through his antics, Ken Allen captured hearts … Read More

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00:00 Okay, so two friends make a bet that they can make one house. The talk of the town in the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, I was eighteen ten and do told his friend. He said hey, I bet you a hundred dollars. I get everyone in the city of London talked about this one house the way that he did. It makes us talk about it literally two hundred years later, so it worked. I think he won the best and I said he invested that hundred dollars. It would have been worth 00:23 Oh, I for now yeah and a bonus story of the time that a cartoon network promo shut down the city of Boston. Yeah, it was a three booms. Hate that more than anything in the world. If you're just finding our show, it doesn't get better. It's a comedy show where we learn different stuff each week. This is things I learned last night. Thanks for joining us. 00:52 Hey man, what's up? Hey, have you ever heard of the burner street hoax, the burner street? Yeah, but it's not that kind of burner as B E R N burner burners, burner street hoaxer. Have you ever heard of that yes, okay, because does it have anything to do with the burner street bears? No, I think you're thinking of the berenstein bears. Sorry, I think you're thinking of the burner street bears 01:19 don't gaslight me right now. That's absolutely. They were called the burners, three bears gas. Like they've always been called a burners. Rebears. There's that. I mean like, okay, I mean what you know, what is the man go you effect? I hate that you're 01:40 Hey, I just want you guys to know you pro here a little bit for the next three weeks. I got a little bit of a cold so yeah for the last three weeks we had a nat problem yeah, but for the next three weeks, no the last three weeks we didn't we were in here. Oh yeah, yeah there's no problem. The next three weeks I've got this. I woke up every day for the next three weeks. Just 02:03 cold, congested, so I'm doing my best yeah, but I'm gonna be mouth laughing today. I don't know if you guys have heard people mouth laugh before do it. It's a little Jari. I've been doing it. I laughed. I laughed when I said Mongolia. Give us a give us another you know. It's a weird thing. What's the different? What's the other? What's it different? I'm not going to do the other one. Show me the other one. I will. Why? Why can't you do it? I because your nose is fine. Just it. Yeah. Do you laugh out your nose? I laugh out my orifices 02:31 that's a little weird. I don't like the way you said that anyways. You didn't call a face because you can't spell orifice without face, right? Yeah, you actually like totally can orifice, O R P H E U S. I'm pretty sure that's Morpheus. I think I'm missing. I'm missing a more of his hold on. Let's see. How is this 02:59 I dang it. There's a mythical creature, a Dorotheus or a face. Maybe you can spell it with maybe I'm wrong. Oh no, we're both wrong. Oh, how do you spell orifice? O R I F I C E. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I spell face. 03:21 sorry. I'm just trying to save face right now. Okay, I hate you for that. Okay. No, have you heard of the ador hook burn or street? Okay, theater hook who teddy hook the yeah teddy hook yeah like that teddy hook. He was a boat captain. No, he actually had nothing to do with captains or hooks except for his last name theater hook. He was born in September twenty second at seventeen eighty eight. Okay, so you know early 03:48 Yeah, his English man of letters don't know. I mean that just means I guess an intellectual person who engages in a letter, a letter jacket. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's a that's a man of letters. That's a man of letters are there then later they shorted it to letter man. No, I don't want to go on a date with you. My boyfriend's a man of letters. He's known for a couple things crazy how I'm the sick one, but you're the one that every week goes 04:17 it's my do you get it set to your devian septum okay. No, so he pay to get that fixed. Okay, I would actually really appreciate that. That would be a great welcome. I would do that for you. I'll never go to the appointment birthday. I have a habit. Here's here's what I want to do for you. Actually, this is my new thing. I'm going to do for you is I'm going to graciously accept any gifts you give me, but I'm never going to cash it in. You know, 04:47 Oh yeah, because I did give you a flight flight. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right. I actually thought about that. Actually, what you're going to do is you're just going to accumulate all of them cash them in all at once. All right, let's get the deviated system. I'm like that's like $15,000 dude. And you're like, yeah, I'll get the septum fixed and then we'll go for the flight. Yeah, I'll come to the fight. My face is like swollen. I can barely open my eyes and I'll be like, but he said I can it's my 05:13 birthday give it's my birthday. This is my twenty seven birthday to take a to take a exploratory flight and then to look at the CFI and go. This is my birthday. He's got my context. This is my birth. They got no context for what you're talking about. You just walk out there and you go. This is my birthday gift. That's crazy. So Teddy Teddy Hook right. He was known for a few things. One he was a composer, 05:40 He spent a year at the Herald School and then he went to the University of Oxford Oxford and he made symphonies and stuff. That was something like and it wasn't like he wasn't no Mozart. No one does that anymore. You know, people are making garage, but people some freaking symphony people make symphonies, but you just never hear about them. Nobody cares about some. I hear more. I mean, hey, honestly, honestly, honestly. 06:09 What should you make a symphony and make it like a what's that guy's name pluth video where he's like what if it was like a what if it was like a and you do the whole symphony, but make it in cross that sounds good and then we'll have the timpani come in 06:34 that's a fun and the trombones this is the part where we're telling the story of the yes, mom, and then what if there's a light switch? It's a it's a great. I mean they didn't have yeah so anyways, tady, we have garage band yeah 07:03 Yeah, Teddy, Teddy was doing symphonies. His dad was so proud of him. His dad was into symphonies too. I don't know if his dad was as successful as he was in symphony a but his dad was his dad was so proud of him for me. Yeah, yeah, coincidentally, he this is. This is a weird thing. He he is the person 07:30 who received the world's first postcard and we don't know this for sure, but people are pretty confident he's also the person who sent the world's first okay, but we don't know for sure why what I don't have to be honest. I don't really know meme, so he was the first person to receive a post. I didn't say it again. He went to the mail box 08:00 and he dropped the postcard in it okay, allegedly and then a couple days later he came to the mailbox and the mail already existed yeah mail already existed, but no one thought let's just send a picture and write something on the back yeah. Everyone was like you got to put in an envelope. You got to seal it with the ink or the wax sorry then he was like what if I didn't like forget all this stuff too many steps he sending a postcard is just 08:26 keto mail. You know, say it's just the meat. It's just we don't need anything else. We don't need all the breading, all the all the dressings on it, but not really though, because it's like it's just the meat, but that's also check out this cool picture of San Francisco. You know you can. This is true. Do you know you can mail a coconut like a full coconut? This is real. You can just mail a coconut. You can paint it. You can just put the address on it. You can stick that in the mail and they can't freaking stop 08:55 and they'll ship it. I feel like we need to set up a P. O. Box for that now. You know why I know that is that my mom's best friend lived in Hawaii when they were now. I'm looking back. That was looking when they were our age yeah yeah and like my mom's best friend is live in Hawaii because she was my mom's cool friend. Here's my fear right now. I'm your cool friend you and was that you yep. 09:21 so right now I'm your cool friend. I don't know if I've seen the rest of them and my fear is that I'll end up like still being your cool friend in like our fifties, but like I kind of start. It's like not the cool. I need to start being your investing friend and I need to start being your saving money for oh yeah. Why do you think I'm doing dumb stuff? What you're doing them? I'm saying that like 09:48 by the time we're fifty, it won't be cool. It won't be cool to be cool anymore. So there comes a point where being cool is childish. Well, yeah, yeah, I'm not saying my mom's best friends like that. I'm just saying she lived in Hawaii. She was when she was our age and I'm like, oh, that's really cool, but living in Hawaii when you're fifty is not cool. 10:14 Yes. 10:17 Okay, I think I'm tracking with you now. Okay, I think I'm tracking. I do think that there are, so we live in Los Angeles. Yes, there are a lot of people and where we live and who are in their thirties who spend money and behave and plan their life as if they are. 10:38 22 years old and it's like when they talk about having kids, they talk about that being like 15, 20 years in the future and you're like, Hey, that's 50 for you. Yeah, yeah, that would be pretty old. That would be, that's a long time to wait at that, you know, and with your diet, you're not going to make it at the same time. They're like, Oh, I don't want to be old and 50 at my kid's graduation. And yeah, you're past. Yeah, yeah, let's be honest. You're going to ask. You're going to be, you're going to be, you're going to be 80 at this point. Yeah, I got to like 11:07 and but all of our friends in the midwest at nineteen were like i'm forty. So there's there's a balance is true. Yeah, you want to be in the middle. Yes, you want to be in the middle. Yeah, I feel like we're we're that's where we're at. I feel yeah, I feel like I feel like we are in a good spot for our lives. I don't think we are behind. I don't think we're ahead. Thanks for saying that to me who is dressed like a six year old. 11:37 all that's missing is a little yeah, you're just you're just like you brought those you're just like you're on a trip to the zoo and you've got those sunglasses that go up yeah, that's pretty accurate. I love that I have a time with the tank engine lunch box. If you brought your lunch to the my my peanut butter jelly sandwich is in is this was fancy, not in a ziplock bag. We're in those little cases. Those yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a crustables, but you're it's an uncrustables, but your mom cut off the 12:07 just still. She didn't get it. She ate it. That's the secret. That's what you get to do when you're a parent. You make the crust. You just cut the crust off at home and then you get a little snack and then you get to eat a little bit. Okay, so Teddy you get to eat a little bit. She had food outside anyway. You can mail a coconut is how we started how we got here and my my mom's best friend when I was growing up, mailed us a coconut for why did she also mail the potato to your mom? 12:33 don't talk about that. Don't bring that up. Let's not research that okay, coconut that she had just painted our address on and they and the mail got that they're like. I guess they're like I don't we didn't. We never said no, so I realize we're this far to the episode. We haven't looked at this guy yet, so let's yeah. Let's see what he looks like. Here's teddy. This guy looks like he postcards himself. Yeah, this is him. This is him at that point. His wife where he's painting yeah, 12:59 because it's look at his rosy cheeks. Yeah, this is like call early a hundred rosy cheeks. What's the condition Alex alopecia alopecia? Is that what that is? Is where they have like rosy cheeks? No alopecia is the hair yeah. I don't I don't know right. They might be right. I don't brother. I don't know it where they just they just get their cheeks get real red embarrassed. 13:23 so this is this is him when he you think the paint the artist painting this painting got him just right at the right. He was like the artist was like so anyway, it's been such a good time painting you and we're almost finished also that time in sixth grade when you walked up to brook Mara and you said hey and she was like you've even following me around all day and you're like ha ha ha ha 13:53 Yeah, and then yeah, he got all flushed and he was like, oh, let me get my rose out. She starts mixing it up. I'm painting. Yes, yes, 14:12 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 14:39 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 14:56 so that was him when he was like making symphonies and post carding himself, but this story happens earlier in his life when he was in his late teens. I believe and he looks at the Gerber baby, Gerber baby all grown up. I'm saying it looks like the Gerber baby. If you put him on a milk carton in the seventeen hundreds of like this is what he might look like now. That's crazy, so Alex can't see that though. Can he? 15:26 No, I love that. That's funny. That's a pretty good bit. I bet I bet that's true. Jared's never been wrong. So in eighteen ten, so that would put him what I say he was born in seventeen eighty eight. Yes, that would make him twenty two twenty two. So yeah, so early twenties he he was a little bit of a 15:56 I hesitate to use the word degenerate, but kind of a degenerate gambler and a little bit and he like playing little practical jokes and bits on people speaking of gambling. Yeah, sorry to do so many tangents in this yeah, but have you looked into the stats on sports gambling like what stats? What do you mean? I mean the number of twenty somethings who are bankrupting their parents. Oh, oh it's a problem. That's why literally I remember talking to you when that was on the ballot and I was like I don't 16:27 I know how I feel about it. I didn't think of is that big of a deal when it was when we were voting on it. I was like I to me it was like yeah, it's going to get legalized everywhere. It doesn't make sense for it. Like there's people who are already traveling cross state lines to go bet other places like there are, but I didn't realize how much of it. Did you know that they can just ban you if you're too good at it? That makes sense. It's just like a casino. Yeah, a hundred like if you get on the sports apps and you win too much money, they'll just ban you. That's like that. Never mind 16:56 That's been my biggest concern because we've seen how addictive and dangerous social media is for people. And I'm like having a casino in your pocket scares me. Well, they'll use that same algorithm to figure out if you're bad at gambling. Yeah. And then they'll give you suggestions for, well, that you should play this parlay that's clearly not going to pay it out. And so it's a good algorithm that's betting against you. Yeah. That's playing your worst impulses and draining you financially. 17:25 Yes. Yeah. It makes me nervous. It's like to be a part, to be a Gen Z, like to be a kid in Gen Z right now, It's the same group of people who were in the Game Stonk stuff And they... 17:54 they are strategic with it where they let some people win really big things. who win big things? I think that half of those aren't real. Obviously. Yeah, yeah. And so it feeds the idea that you're just one bed away from a huge jackpot 18:23 and then some and so then people are just like, well, why would I invest? Why would I save what I can just shoot for that one shot? I mean, I remember that because I tried draft kings. I think it was one of them Fandel or DraftKings or whatever a couple of years ago when it first got legalized, I crossed the border and tried it. I was like, this is kind of fun. I'll look at the shot. Yeah, and the Kansas gave it a shot and I do remember 18:50 I think I was what, 26, 27? But I do remember that feeling because I had a couple decent wins. Like it wasn't crazy, but decent wins. And I remember being like, oh, I threw out a couple dozen bets and I had a couple of them hit big and it made it work. And I remember in my brain being like, like rationalizing it and being like, oh, if I just, this is just a numbers game. If I just do enough of this, then this is worth it. And that's the trick is like, I mean, it's like a casino, like the house always wins. It doesn't. 19:19 You can't win in this game. called Social Studies. is that they took like 20 teenagers and had them screen record their phones they were just giving the crew 19:49 the social media addiction and just integration into their everyday interactions was bonkers to watch. Is it a series or a single document? because the first episode was talking about which then pushed the girls to post more provocative images. 20:18 because those are the images that got more likes and got more comments and got more shares yeah, and so then it just slowly push girls who who even on camera are saying like I just I never dress like that. I would never wear that on public. I would never do this stuff, but I posted online. I get more likes yeah and like so they're saying like and the it's pretty well because like every single team that we're following. There's one of them who's like the one of these tick tock guys who's like oh tell me how much your outfit costs 20:47 you know, one of those street people or whatever, street interviewers, and I mean he's making a ton of money from doing this on tick tock and snapchat as a sixteen year old kid, and so he's throwing this rager party that the cameras are at. The cameras are at this raging party watching these kids, watching these kids do drugs and drink alcohol. It's like it's really like euphoria and a kid ods and like they literally there's 21:11 the other teenagers, the camera people are all just watching this happen. Yeah, they're the other teenagers are dragging this kid a couple blocks away from the party so they can call nine one one to the other end down there and not the party, which is and the 21:27 It's like the kids, the boys alone or whatever you're watching this series. I'm like where are any of these kids parents and then they'll interview the parents and I go oh I get it. This makes sense. Sense that you guys like this is every single set of parents that I see on this thing. I go oh none of these kids have parents yeah it's crazy like the one of the the kid who does the tick tock snapchat stuff his mom worked for Lindsey Lohan or whatever 21:52 and she hates that, by the way, they'll go, they'll go. He goes, Yeah, she worked for Lindsay Lohan. She was. Why was I was a business partner with Lindsay Lohan and you're like, she shot the heck up shot up Lisa. All right, you were her personal assistant. You didn't you weren't her business partner. Shut up, Lisa Lohan. You were but like dude, it's it's like legitimately insane what they're like. They're following these kids and they follow one girl who 22:21 who made a friend through Discord, who lives in DC. And so she convinces her mom that she wants to go visit one of those schools in DC and go on a trip to DC and sightsee the city. And then meets up with this boy at the mall. They go to the mall and she's like, I'm going to try something on. The boy is in the dressing room. 22:43 you, that's the first time I've ever met in real life. That's wild. She's fifteen. That's wild. I feel in the camera people. I straight up feel insane when I'm watching this and I go. I thought that high schoolers like this only existed in movies because in my small town, yeah, no way would do that crab. Yeah, we weren't stupid. Well, I think the world is change. We were stupid, but we weren't like 23:09 It's just the stuff that they're posting. who all of them say they're going to be rich one day. that you're just one hit away. And that feeds that, the idea that exists. 23:39 you get shot in broad daylight. So I mean it's an interesting. It's an interesting era. We live in, huh, where eat the rich, but also I want to be the rich. That's crazy. Yeah, for real. Yeah, yeah, it's it's insane, but at the same time, same time, same time, same time, right. I don't even want to be a billionaire. 24:06 I just want to be able to have a medical emergency and bankrupt myself yeah the next ten years. That's yeah that's yeah it's not like I'm like I'm not shooting for the stars yeah. I don't want. I don't want to own how I am shooting for eating out once a week. I'm shooting for getting the bill of Applebees and not being surprised and not even looking at it yeah just slided by card. I mean you know what I know that the chocolate milk and boneless wings is going to clear 24:38 I'm a simple man. All your friends are like, And you're like, 24:57 Oh, she used to go to red lobster when they had endless shrimp, but the new ceo knows math. Apparently you see that he's like that you was again. We're not doing in the shrimp anymore because I understand how math works yeah. We're like ah yeah. You got to do that with a food that's harder to eat endlessly like that's why 25:18 it's too easy to just gorge yourself. I remember the crawfish. It takes some time. It takes too long yeah and people get tired. Their thumbs get tired before their stomach does dude. You got to do foods like that or do foods like like all of garden does the salad do. People don't want endlessly do foods where people take a couple of bikes like pretty that's enough done with this, but I appreciate the offer. So what we're saying is is that 25:47 and Teddy Hook would have been hooked on yeah. Teddy Hook would have had a problem sports, gambling, yes and social media. He would have been that kid with like the dollar bills jacket and like being like what's up guys exactly exactly except for its eighteen ten. So things are a little different and so instead of hello fellow pulls how are you like that yeah you're right. You're that's exactly right. 26:18 he he was a he would bet on weird stuff. Oh, he really what it was, but it was like because he was betting on weird stuff, but it was because you couldn't bet on not weird stuff like it wasn't sporting events every day. Yeah, we're just fighting a bookie and getting the mob so him and his friend. He had a friend by the name of Samuel Beasley okay, and he actually grew up to be an architect, Sam, the list Samuel Beasley, yeah Sam Beasley, 26:45 I don't know if he ever went by Sam, but yeah he he went am Beasley. Why do you keep saying it like that? He pay him Beasley. Oh, I mean he could be he was an architect to play right. You think he's really a volus, a fictional character pay Beasley and he architected a couple of famous. You know, so all these guys went on to have like fairly illustrative 27:14 careers sure, but but in their youth, Sam and him Sam and Teddy, they would do bets with each other. Yeah, so easy example, Teddy bet Sam one day. He said hey, I bet I could get anybody in this town to serve me dinner in their home, and so he would. He just went and showed up at a door and pretended he knew them and he was like I'm here for dinner and then just got them to go along with it and just was really confident about it and then made a 27:43 a few bucks off of it. You know those have a do that today. I don't know, because here's the thing yeah. You could maybe do that. You could maybe do that in public. You couldn't get somebody to show up at someone's doorstep. That's that's a capital punishment. These days you can't just show up to live in Los Angeles. You can't ring someone's doorbell 28:05 anymore. If you ring someone's door about unannounced, you are the devil. I think about all the time. I think about kids can't think don't bitch anymore because they'll literally get shot. Yeah, you can't do that. It used to be a thing where you could just show up to someone's door. You do that nowadays and people can't ignore. They ignore you or they fight you. It's offensive to just show up to someone's door unannounced nowadays. It's almost offensive to call someone. I was going to say it's offensive to show up at the door even when it's 28:32 planned. It's announced we're like oh you. We did make these plans didn't I oh you showed up speaking of I was hoping I are in our neighbor. If we don't answer his phone calls, we'll come knock on our door and he goes to bed at like eleven thirty p.m. So I'd like and he doesn't understand we don't end my wife takes me this morning and said that he knocked on our door in nine forty five p.m. Last night, yikes. What did he need shit chat? 29:01 just wanted to be like hey, I'm home for my trip. Thanks for feeding my cats. Thanks, thanks for letting us know we knew you were coming home. We knew that was the plan. Yeah, that's what you said. That's how flights work. You could have sent me a text yeah. If that flight had crashed, we probably would have heard about it. Yeah, I bet that would have been on the news. Yeah, that's pretty rare. Yeah, buddy anyway, yikes so also his door. I'm almost going to tell me if I'm wrong on this. Should I get my landlord? 29:29 about my neighbor's door being super loud because like his door will shut. I mean like it's an old door. Is it like it creeks or is it slams? It slams and so he goes he goes and then he can't get the lock in the lock is super loud right yeah and he you know leaves it like I don't know he's got stuff to do at six a.m. I guess he gets up at five thirty six a.m. and I mean yeah should I call my landlord and be like hey fix that door it's right next to our bedroom wall. I mean you probably could tell him to 29:59 I mean is it the door is that he says he's slamming the door. No, it's the door for sure, because we feed his cat. I mean you can tell you tell the landlord then I can't talk to our neighbor about it. This guy when his fridge went out, he wanted my dad to fix the refrigerator and it was like just tell the landlord to get you a new fridge man. This was old. I think it's the land. He said he literally said well, I don't want to put 30:20 put her out money and I went she lives in a Malibu home. I think she can afford a new refrigerator buddy. Yeah she owns this building. I think I don't know. Yeah. Do you understand how economics work? Do you understand how much real estate costs in this city? You know that's okay. Okay. So Teddy Teddy and Sam made a bet. Great. And the bet was one guinea, which is equivalent to about a hundred US dollars today. Okay. So about a hundred bucks. It was like I'll bet you a hundred dollars that I can make any house here in London. 30:50 just give me dinner the talk of the town within one week. It's a talk of the town. Yeah, he said to everybody in town. I'll be talking about this house in one week. Give me one week. I'll make it happen okay, and so Sam's like that you can't there's not going to do blow it up. He bombed his house. Everybody's talking about it. Everyone's talking about everyone's talking about it house pay up loser. So so what they did is they rented a room across the street for a week. I don't know. What do you spray paint on it? You go talk about this house. 31:18 everybody, everybody talk about this like a realtor side, ask me about this house. So they rented a room across the street from this house. They picked a house fifty four burner street. Yeah, it was the fairly well to do home that was like a woman lived there. She had a maid and so that's the kind of wealth she had in eighteen ten and so they picked this house. They 31:43 rented a room across the street from it on a Saturday. And they were like, we're going to watch. And so at 5 a.m. November 27th, and a chimney sweep walks up to the house hey, you ordered a chimney sweep, 32:12 We don't have a chip. We didn't order a chimney so and he's like oh that's strange but okay and so he leaves. She sends him away a couple of minutes later, a different chimney sweep shows up at the house knocks on the door and says hey, I'm the chimney sweep you ordered. I'm here to sweep the chimney and she's like no, no, we just sent one away. Actually, we don't need you guys and he's like oh I yeah. I don't have anything to do with that other guy. We're actually competing chimney sweeps 32:40 I've been trying to beat him for years. That's try sweep. I'm chimney swooped. I could you please actually be really great for me. If you let me sweep your chair, my name is Jim, Jim Turi and so she says no, no, we don't need a chimney sweep. She sends him away. A third chimney sweep shows up and by this point she's like you know, I wish for 33:05 This sounds like a set up for a joke. The third chimney she sweep shows up, so it ends up being a dozen chimney sweep show up to this house, okay, knock on the door saying that they were contracted to sweep the chimney right and every time she turns away and then after the twelfth chimney sweep shows up like clockwork. Another person shows up at this time is not a chimney sweep. It's a delivery cart full of coal and they're like hey, we're here with your cold delivery and she's like 33:34 No, didn't order any coal and she started to be like, am I at the right house? Did I did I move? What's going on? Okay, a dozen different cards show up one after another trying to deliver coal to this house and then a dozen different cake man makers showed up delivering wedding cakes, large like double decker wedding cakes. We're here for the wedding cake and then 34:01 a dozen different doctors show up looking for the sick, the sick patient. They were here, we're here to deliver the baby and they're like, she's like, there's no baby this and they're like, there's no baby. Oh no, like there never was a baby. There never was a baby. There was never a like a what? Oh, what? Okay. And this goes on all day long with it was. It was groups of dozen of all these different trades people. 34:29 so there was the heat is twelve days of Christmas. This house on the first day of this bet teddy hooks into me a dozen people to sweep the chimney yeah on the second day of this bet, Ted he hooks into me twelve 34:55 bakers with the cake from the Baker. They have that in the song twelve bakers baking on the 35:10 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tillon topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 35:37 I like 36:02 So yeah, so it's twelve chimney snooze, twelve coal deliveries, twelve cake makers, one third wedding cakes, thirteen cake. It's a baker's dozen and gosh, I wish that he was that smart twelve doctors, twelve lawyers, twelve priests, well doctors leaping twelve priests. They were they were called because they were told someone's dying and so they showed up to pray for the dying person. 36:31 like no one's dying here. Thank you. We'll see you later. Twelve shoemakers. What did he just go around being like hey, they need you twelve fish mongers, which I think are just fish salesman. I don't like that go a fish, monger, a fish monger, and so they brought they brought all the fish with them. They had all these fish, twelve pianos were delivered to this house like twelve grand pianos 36:58 And then there was one organ, like a full pipe organ to the house and deliver the organ. there was more, what's the word I'm looking for? So the governor of the Bank of England showed up 37:26 to talk about an opportunity or business opportunity or something like that. The Duke of York shows up the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Lord Mayor of London to these people and you go hey and there was so many of these people at one point that were showing up at this house trying to get to this house all at the same time that actually congested the streets of London and created like 37:52 This is obviously before cars or anything, but a major traffic jam on Burner Street and no one could get through because there were so many people trying to drop deliveries or do visits or whatever. Like it was basically every type of trade in the city got summoned to this house to do whatever they do. Yeah. And then so Teddy turns to salmon, he's like, look, everyone's talking about it. And then he got his hundred dollars and that's the Burner Street hoax. 38:23 no, I'm not done. What are we talking about here? Here's the it seems like you were done and then when I started me a joke, you were like I got a vamp, so the thing I'm not done. So he here's the thing. I don't think you could do this today. 38:53 because because I think this is unique to this era where you could just send off a little. I mean it wouldn't be a postcard, would be a letter. So a letter that's sealed. You say hey yeah, you're we need your services are requested. I'm ordering this thing and that's what he did all week. 39:09 that week. He just sent letters to stuff like this is why businesses over time has started to require payment up front yeah or yeah they didn't require deposits. They were just like oh yeah you want to organ will bring you an organ organ and then you pay when you pay there. You want you want a giant wedding cake will bake you a giant wedding cake right. You want half the fish we have in our store. We'll bring them and so I don't know if there was any repercussions for this. I it doesn't seem like it and it doesn't seem also like 39:39 What are they going to do? How they going to? How are they going to find out who did it? It's probably the two kids sitting across the street laughing all day drinking course. Oh, the lawyers just showed up. You're not going to believe who's next. You're not going to believe who's next. One chimney sweep. You were four hours ago. You're so late, so late. Is that the Archbishop of York in bakers? I say to me to be two more somewhere. 40:07 So he got doxed after this. They this is a local paper. They put out a picture of his house, which is very interesting to me that the paper just published just a picture of his house like that's how you doc someone in that day. It's like everybody look for this house. I don't know if anything happened. I don't know if anyone delivered stuff to his house or anything like that. I mean on camera blow my nose yeah, but yeah and here's a here's a dramatization of the events that 40:36 appeared in the paper. I guess a painting or drawing, whatever you call it. Oh, there's people delivering coffins, so they posted a picture of his house and they're like this guy did it. Yeah, they doxed them. It's not a bad house, but there's got me thinking about another thing. Okay, have you ever seen that show aqua teen hunger force 41:08 I know you haven't seen this show. Are you serious? Yeah, I'm a grown adult. What is this? You haven't seen Aqua teen hunger force. Where were you? I know okay? Yeah, I don't. I've not seen any clips of it. If you don't know I could teen hunger force was a show on adult swim. Okay, if you don't know what adult swim was, or a good Christian adult swim was when Cartoon Network realized. Oh hey, we have a TV channel for kids and they all go to sleep at eight o'clock. Let's just switch it over to adult stuff after 41:35 that kids are supposed to be asleep, but then all the kids stayed up late and learn stuff to young, learn too much stuff. Aqua teen hunger force was one of their cartoons because that was a thing they all they still did cartoons. They just were not for kids anymore. All of a sudden it would turned over I would see hunger force was one of them and the concept of the show was it was this three roommates and they were an epamorafized fast food items. So the thing of french fries, a meatball, 42:04 a drink and a yeah and the beverage and they just had their adventures. It was like workaholics, but it was honestly, honestly pretty much exactly workaholics well. They had these characters in it called the moon a nights, which were these like 42:23 weird little pixelated and just because he's just a floating yeah. He's a friend and you're looking at me being like you've never seen this. I've never seen this incredible work of art. You've never like been interested in looking this up and watching this incredible creation. We used to make symphonies. We used to make symphonies. We used to paint paintings of twelve bakers bringing cakes and people would 42:50 immortalize history through art and now we have floating french fries on at eight thirty okay, so art has fallen. So the moon and nights the moon and nights these guys they were like these pixelated figures and the story is their aliens from the you got to learn how to say that word by the way moon and I've said nope moon and what figure figure 43:19 that's how it said that's I've always said it. I know I know that's how you always said it. I've been trying to change you since the day we met, so the moon and nights were aliens from the moon. They live within the moon. There these little pixelated and they mermaid out of moon tonight was like fictional material and they it's figure. It's not like Tommy Hill figure. That's exactly how I say that. Actually, I know that's how you say. That's why I'm telling you tell me he'll figure he'll fig. You say figure 43:47 Hill figure, that's not what that is. I know it's a hill figure yeah exactly. The word is figure. I know it's figure okay, so the moon and nights who were characters in the show sure and in two thousand seven they put together a movie, a feature length film. The moon and nights were central characters in the film and they their promotion for this movie was pretty funny. They did a couple things 44:14 One of the things that they did that I actually love as a promo is they for the announcement for the movie, instead of rolling a bunch of previews and stuff like that, they rolled the whole movie on adult swim, but they rolled it in the bottom left corner of the screen while other stuff was playing. And it was just a tiny frame of the movie with no sound. bottom corner? And it was the it was the movie. 44:42 the whole move the whole movie. Okay, another thing they did is they made these little light brights of the moon a nights okay, and they took these light brights of the moon nights. These are the right. I can't see the she okay, because it looked like that and then it looked like Jared from subway from where actually he does like way and so these moon and nights. What they did is they distributed these to cities across America and they hid them like 45:11 little public art sure sure sure sure. So here's an example in Boston of the moon a night just on a support beam up there, just a little little moon a night sitting there on the support aim up above the streets of Boston. Sure sure sure here's a thing. This is this is two thousand and seven and this is in the middle of I shouldn't say the middle, but like near the 45:40 near the end of like the if you see something say something era. You know I'm talking about like post nine eleven. There was this this if you see something say something so you're supposed to report what anything you think looks suspicious okay in case it's terrorists sure and so someone was like to your terrorists to be totally fair. This pixel art thing. If you're not, if you don't see it from club close, you see it 46:04 on a support beam on a bridge looks like terrorism and you don't watch aqua teen hunger force enough to recognize the weird pixelated characters that don't show up at every episode and you see this you're like. What's that especially in like the heightened terrorism era we were in where everyone was afraid of it. Were they afraid of terrorism? 46:26 yes or were they afraid of yeah? I mean you know who's to say racism was at a pretty high point in the two thousands, so on January for thirty first two thousand seven someone reported this to the police January first January thirty first thirty first January thirty first two thousand seven some more reported this to the police and 46:55 immediately the Boston police took this very seriously and they called in the bomb squad and they shut down half the city and because these were all over the city. They started finding out and so this you the new you oh geez let's hit the news and bomb squads and state police are going around removing these little moon a night light, bright are flipping you off by the way. The yeah, they are is a middle thing they are and so because of that in these 47:24 in the news reports because this thing is flipping you off. All of the new stations that reporting this were learning out the whole thing, so nobody was actually seeing this. One of the things everyone said is if had they not blurted this out, this would have been amazing. Someone would have a me. This would have been incredible, average somewhat else. That's just been incredible advertising, but someone would have wrote in or or called in and said hey, that's a character from a show like chill out 47:50 but nobody show out. Nobody knew what it was because they were blurring it out, so it became this mass panic. Everybody in Boston thought there were in the middle of a terror attack and bombs had been plant and planted, which I don't know if you've seen how Oliver in the Boston please, but if you watch the documentary about them trying to find the Boston Marathon bombers, did you watch that piece? Yeah, it's pretty crazy and did you watch that? So one of the bombers hides in someone's boat, 48:19 and the police walk past that boat. I don't know a thousand times and like they're like Heather dogs out there like we can't find it. We can't find this guy and he's just hiding in this boat that they've walked past ten thousand times and so finally the end of the night they're like. Maybe we should check that boat. We've walked past twenty five thousand times and sure enough there. Well, they had him on like the heat camera. Well, they also shot the boat about a thousand times 48:44 that's true. They did yeah. They I think they heard something or saw something and then someone jumped and yeah, it was literally like a thousand rounds loaded that out insane, so but it really was not the documentary does not make them look good at coppin and yeah solving crimes. So so they end up. They actually detonate two of these in the control detonations. 49:14 and you mean they did he blew it up yeah. The bomb squad came out and they they set explosives on it and and then and you know let's say that let's say you're in the marketing department for this and suddenly you've set off a citywide panic in Boston yeah when in this process do you go and go hey well that's a thing they weren't. They were blurring these out so not even the adult swim people knew that that was their stuff because it was blurred 49:44 Oh wow! These led fixtures popped up this terrorist led fixtures pop up the same day that our led campaign rolls out. What bad luck on luck. The heck do you mean? So this obviously becomes a huge scandal. It's all over the news all day long and gosh, I forgot his name again Shepherd Smith on Fox News. 50:14 is raging about it all day long. It's like his favorite thing to rage about all day long yeah. This makes sense and this would really get Fox News and those people would see this and they go they actually Shepherd Smith was reporting that it was sponge Bob. They said that this guy was sponge Bob and they said someone put you believe Bob signs up is which severs he shepherd has a very distinct like sharp way of speaking 50:42 it's because his face couldn't move from the botox, but he'd be like he'd be like and tonight in no, that's not good. It's well, I'll find it later. Yeah, well he they end up someone writes in and explains it to Fox News and so later that night they issue a correction saying that it was from the show Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and so he had to explain what the character was live on air. 51:07 and be like this. There's this was never a bomb like this was all just a big misunderstanding. Sure, it was a marketing campaign and you can actually hear in the sorry for the last eight hours of our coverage of this being a bomb. Sorry to get you all worked up turns out is just marketing for the adult swim channel, something I've never heard of the adult swims. Well, you could actually hear when he makes that correction live on air in the background. 51:36 people laughing at on set at Fox, which I love so much, but yeah they it and it became a big thing. They have they put out adult swim, put out shirts years later. They didn't shiver. No, I wish the years later they put out shirts that said one thirty one oh seven never forget and it had the moon a night on it and they were selling those 52:06 As a response though, Turner Broadcasting owns Cartoon Network. Yeah. And they actually responded and they've like fired the head of Cartoon Network because they were like, yeah, you need to step down like that this happened. Okay, I should say he stepped down, but he got fired. We all know how that stuff works. And he issued a public statement and he says, he says, I'm sorry that this happened on my watch. Like I should have been more prepared and I claim responsibility for the panic that this campaign caused and actually pulled them. 52:35 the movie. They didn't release it because a central part of the movie was Boston, so it never released, which is crazy. So he steps down and a lot of people say that that was when cartoon network yeah the end of the golden era of Cartoon Network because it really was like those that early two thousands. They were pumping out some great stuff yeah and then all of a sudden it changed and they're like it was because that head step down so the bombs didn't kill any killed everybody 53:05 Honestly, if I had my way, no one in Boston would have survived that 53:11 Honestly, here's the thing. Here's the thing. This was the height of Tom Brady and had they been successful with these are you saying the Cartoon Network was conspiring against the New England Patriot? Yeah, they were targeting them. They can't keep getting away with this. It was all in route to their commute. Yeah instead they just deflated a couple of the walls and frames Tom Brady for that 53:39 Yeah, I was the second that was the CEO. This is on record. The CEO of Cartoon Network Framed Tom Brady. Put that on the internet. I call that's crazy. Well, twelve fiddlers off, huh? 54:00 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, you should check out another one, the Richmond TV vigilante, similar to how Teddy liked to show up at doors where he wasn't invited. There was a guy in Richmond, Virginia, who showed up and dropped a bunch of TVs at people's doors in the middle of the night. It was a crazy story. Definitely go check that episode out. Um, and hey, if you want next week's episode right now, you can sign up to be a member. All you got to do is go to till and.com slash support, um, and you can start supporting our show. 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UNSOLVED: Only One Person Survived This Tragic Hike | The Khamar-Daban Mystery

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00:00 So seven people in Russia go on a hike and only one of them returns alive. Yeah, which is crazy because they were led by a very experienced hiker. She actually had the title of Master of Sports in hiking and so she should have known how to prevent a disaster like this one, and so there's a lot of theories on what happened to the other six that perished on the hiking trail, but we don't know to this day, thirty years later, what happened and the sole survivor has only talked about it once thirty years later. Yeah, yeah, even her husband didn't know about it. 00:27 That's crazy. Why this is things I learned last night. This is a comedy podcast where we learn a lot each week, but we also laugh a lot along the way. I think you'll enjoy it. This week's episode is no different. It's great. This was this was recommended by one of our members. Yes, his name is Keith why in the discord? I'm going to call him Keith for this case. He thanks for the recommendation. Yeah, so if you want to, if you want to recommend episodes to us, please join us. You can go to till and dot com slash support to figure out how to do that. 00:55 And then also you get next week's episode right now. So thanks for watching the show. We hope you like this episode 01:03 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Isaac Hershkoff? Oh, I live to see another day. I'm just kidding. We're not covered that. Have you ever heard of the 01:31 Hahahaha 01:35 roll the intro. I know we don't do it anymore. I know we haven't put the drum is again forever. Just roll it. Why not? 02:07 Things I learned last night. 02:16 Happy New Year, Buddy. What did you actually say? Kamar, David, Kamar, David, Kamar, David Daba and Daba, David, Bon, Dabin, Gali, you're so in the bond. Happy New Year. I thought you'd leave these shenanigans in the past twenty twenty five. It's the year lies baby. Go ahead. I was so rude, 02:44 Oh, I got you good there. Yeah, come our David, come our Daban, come our camera, the bond, the Abban. I have no idea how to pronounce it and honestly this is going to be the rest of the episode. This involves a group of characters. I think it's seven characters. Yeah, seven characters. You ready to hear their name? I know what happens here. What so come our yeah? 03:06 Okay, he stumbles into the woods and he meets a witch and she says you're so pretty come on. I love you so much. You're so beautiful. You're the ferris in all the land right and he goes back to his little hut and he meets seven dwarfs and they are like hi ho hi ho hi ho and I 03:23 I don't remember the rest of the story to be honest, so I'm glad you're telling me yeah, I'm glad I've that's I'm just setting it up and you say what happened next. You talk now you go, so it's yeah. I had to do that to my home school fans when they come to shows me well, I'll be at all do a show and that these kids are come up and they'll be like I've been following since the chick play rap and I'm like that's really cool and they're like yeah. I'm homeschooled. I'm like oh cool. Thanks for coming to the show. 03:51 I go, it's your turn. Yeah, you say something. 03:59 Speaking of of schoolers, we found out a really cool secret talent of one of our team members on a patron hang out this week or to oh yeah, yeah, how day one of our an orty manager yeah Daniels, our community manager yeah. We call him Dan Lee man he 04:17 okay as an ability to like when you show all himself a super recognizer, that's right, the talent super recognizer you can he said it like we all would know what it is. He can you can show him any picture of someone in like prosthetics and makeup and all this stuff and he could tell you which actually that is and he's actually really weird. I got at it really. We showed him a bunch of pictures and he would have me like I'm not immediately but pretty pretty quickly be like oh that's this guy and he was get it right ninety percent of time pretty wild so yeah, but that's a super recognizer. So if you're a super recognizer 04:46 let's know in the comments. Anyways, here's your super recognizer and you didn't know this whole time that I've been frankie muniz. He's just been wearing prosthetics. We gear him up every time it comes in. Yeah, that's also why he got ripped. So the here's our here's our seven cast of characters. Let's see how this goes. It is sleepy, dopey, angry. So the main one is a woman by the name of the uta, Mila Corvina. 05:16 okay. This is her. Where does this story take place? Oh Russia Russia, yeah, yeah, you nailed that this takes place in Russia. She's got the forehead yeah leo de mila leuda mila. I don't care to make fun of the Russians. I'll make fun of the Russians all day. You got dumb foreheads right. What nuke me? I'm trying to provoke Putin in the nuclear war by making fun of his forehead. Your name is not funny for heads. What you do, but I shouldn't say that we had a whole episode about Putin and then he 05:45 and then he attacked Ukraine, and so we had to pull the episode. We couldn't pull that episode. We couldn't put the episode out to the world, but if you want to hear it, if you want to hear it's available to our members and it also goes out on the nothing bun cake. Yeah, you can set up for that at tillin dot com, so so is she yeah the Russian name, so she is so Corvina. She is a 06:11 a hiker and a hiking instructor, okay, and she actually has a title that the Soviet Union would a warm people award people called the Master of Sports, so she is an honorary master of sports, which I don't know what you have to do to get that. I do she's a master of sports and hiking. What do you what do you was that for a hiking? You got to do the Berkeley Marathons, but this is Russia. 06:39 and so they ship them. They shipped them off to the US in Russia. The Berkeley Marathon does you okay, and so she she was a hiking instructor. She would take groups on tourism. We're talking so this is this specific story is nineteen ninety three. Okay, oh okay, you showed me a black and white picture, so I was I was thinking earlier yeah, but you know like year books you take black and white pictures right sure, and so this is a group that she took hiking with her. She's the second in the second one from left 07:09 I don't think she is in this picture. I think she took our left looks like it looks like one of those kids who's twenty three, but plays a fourteen year old my busy channel. No, I'll show you the next picture that we have of them. It was these two pictures. Look at they look at that's the that's the witch in snow white up front. You see her hunched up like 07:30 Yeah, so this is this is the crew that she took okay on this day. This is a august. They did they depart on august second nineteen ninety three. Okay, here's another picture of the group and in this one, one of them is just like yoked freaking ripped yeah, which they look that's her though, isn't it? No, that's that's. These are all the people. Maybe it is her yeah. That is her because it's because she group she brought a group of six, so there's the six 07:59 that's her yeah. She looks like a master hiker right there and so so this group is is leota mille corvina. She's the master hiker okay and then tatiana she's got a panko for those listening like you like like like the kind of abs that the shadow cast is upon you know saying yeah yeah that's crazy. Most people have to air flexing right there. Do you think that's 08:22 that's what I'm saying. That doesn't happen just as still she's flexing for this picture. That is true. Yeah, you you're not. You don't naturally have abs like that and then Alexander, christen, Dennis, shevak, kin, Valentina, Udo, tenko, Victoria, Sela, sova, Timur, bup and off okay, nailed them, nailed them, feel pretty good about that. I'm not going to lie, Duolingo turn to learn Russian. Yeah, I have 08:50 what have you been learning just in case that's where I'm learning Chinese will be prepared. Yeah, you and me yeah, we'll have to link up depending on one of us will take honestly depending on what he was like. We're going to team up together. I don't have for a fair. Neither people are jar so 09:17 on on August second, nineteen ninety three or vena, our master, our master of sports corvina. She she regularly did these hiking trips. She would get a bunch of her tourists together. They would go on hiking trips. She'd take them on these. Why don't we have color photos of them? This is nineteen eighty three yeah, but is nineteen ninety three in soviet russia. Oh, that's actually fair. That's true. That's true. It's true. Okay, the very end of soviet russia 09:43 so they they were still doing white people activities like hiking, you know, so they went hiking in this area called the Kmar Dabin Mountain Rage, which if we look in Russia, it's this part of Russia next to a lake called Lake, the call the Kyle map from the back of my Bible. Yeah, yeah, it is yeah, and so here's a kind of a Google Maps view. So you see that lake there, 10:13 and then this mountain range there is where this is actually where they're hiking, and so there's a camp near the lake. They're going to hike into the mountain range up to the top of the mountains and back to the lake is there is the hike that they're going on. Yeah, and Corvina very experienced. This trip was going to be a group. There's going to be a group of three in the area. She was going to be leading one of them, her daughter, actually by the name of Natalia Barnett, 10:42 no just by the name of Natalia is leading another one of the and then another group that that is just led by some other hiker, not a master of sports by any yeah or related to a master of sports, and there was multiple moments along this hike where, like obviously they're in separate groups, but they had planned their routes so they would continually intersect with each other and have these meet ups and then they would keep going and then they'd eventually they'd like check in with each other. Yeah, eventually they'd converge together, so yeah there was natural moments to be like okay the other groups not dead. We can keep going 11:12 and then maybe they okay trade pictures or something like look at the rocks I found here and so the the trip departs on the second of August, 1993. They leave from the village of Marino and they hike along the river and day one goes by relatively normal day to goes by relatively normal day. These and I should say this is a long hike. This is like a multi day, maybe even a week long hike. 11:41 and through this they are they're eating a lot, and so they okay. They were eating four meals a day and the reports that I've seen said that they were consuming around twenty four hundred calories a day, which yeah that that's the face I made to because they made a big deal about them eating a lot, but okay, that doesn't seem like a lot they, but also I don't know. I don't know how it's relevant yet. 12:10 that's yeah. You're like yeah. I made the same face because I was like that doesn't seem like a lot and I'm like why do we know how many calories they were eating a day? They come back super fat. 12:22 they just came back like a straight. Her abs were gone and they were like you had you. You had you made a big deal of it when you left the whole time. You were flex and you were like okay guys, right? You're not a so straight. You were like all right. She's got abs. We get it and you come back and you look tear not to be me like that. I'm trying to body shame you, but like you don't look good. You're pretty fat right now. 12:47 like you had to gain like fifty pounds on that bow. Try to be mean, try to be made. How many how did you make? How many calories did you eat today? How did you get fifty pounds on a high? How did you do that? What happened on that mountain? Science needs to know they're like we've been gone for six years, and we had a lot of that was the only donuts. That was the only thing we can eat there. They went away. I got stuck in a time loop 13:13 I think I would just eat a lot of food every day, you know, because I think about that movie groundhog day, no, Palms Springs on who know same concept yeah, but they're at a wedding yeah, so like I would go so hard on cake, because yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's true. They're gonna feel the next day. I mean every day you still can like you're still you can still try to get through it, but it's like in the process, like why not just eat a lot as I'm saying yeah, that's a good one. I just because it doesn't matter. That's a good point. Yeah, you know yeah, that's how drug addicts start, huh? 13:44 I think that sometimes sometimes I have thoughts that I go. Oh, I think I've got like a I've got an unhealthy relationship with food that's something to bring up to my counselor. I'm going to bring that up to your counselor. This week, I have a point with my counselor and I have a point with your counselor just to cross check notes. You know yeah I go hey so Tim said this this week. He says over that and they go the whole thing they go. I can't tell you and I go 14:12 I just read them. I read them. I go, I'm pretty sure I asked yes or no questions and I go your body. That sounds like a yes. That deflection sounds like a yes deflection. Yeah. 14:31 I've got your dogs at the appointment. I remember that call back yeah. I remember that one good good. It's a treat good. 14:47 do you imagine if you actually why'd you let it die like that? Why is just I just I just was thinking about us. I was like. Did you imagine you 15:06 Happy New Year, Folks, another year of the show being garbage. Another year of this. Let's run it one more year of this just one. 15:19 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time, so 15:46 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I think we might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 16:03 Okay, so so they are eating twenty four hundred calories a day, twenty four hundred calories a day, which does not seem like enough because they're going up a mountain. Well, hold on in Soviet Russia, twenty four hundred calories a day. I mean, I don't know what they were getting before. I guess yeah, it's all relative, but still like if you're going up a mountain, yeah, you're burning. Yeah, I don't feel like this is enough calories for what they're doing. 16:31 it personally, but every article I've read acts like this is a lot. Every article I've read acts like they're eating a lot. They were eating twenty four hundred calories. Yeah, I mean to be fair, eating twenty four hundred calories while you're walking kind of a lot. Maybe I mean yeah, I don't know. It just it does not seem enough to me anyways and also I guess how many calories are you eating a day? Have you done the math? I I'm not tracking calories right now, but like when I was track when I was tracking what I said we can tell 17:00 when I was tracking, I would try to you would have them out to I would try to say under two thousand a day. You went up to him out and I was trying to say under two thousand a day when I started doing that. That was really hard to stay under, but now I'm like I bet I'm probably honestly I'm probably coming close to twenty four hundred a day right now. I think I'm what I would that six right now. Yeah, I'm not counting right now, but that if I had to guess, I'd say probably in that ballpark anyways, so they go on this walk. 17:30 a hike. If you will, the heck along the river, they go, start making it to the mountains and they're crossing the cross paths or they were meant to cross paths with the other group with her daughter's group on August fifth, but they did not show and so this obviously sparked some alarm and then three days later Valentina 18:00 Udechenko is spotted near the river, so she's back. She spotted. I don't know if we can see that river. You can cut up to the hill. Yeah, yeah, no, not that river. Oh, she would be like. So if you look at Bay Kysick or something like that or go south, yeah, there's a river that runs along there. Okay, so she was that trail is so she was spotted by that river, okay, and which is way away from where she was supposed to be 18:29 there was a group of kayakers that were kayaking and they saw her on the shore line and she was yelling for help. So I pulled over and she told him a story. This is the story that she told them and so she said that on August fourth they were making really good time up. 18:48 rich retranslator peak nailed it. That's the town and cars. What is the down at guards rate? Translator Translator peak, we're chance later peak. They were make a really, really good time and they were beginning their descent, but they got hit with an unexpected rain storm. So when this rain storm hit Corvina said that it would be best for them to make camp 19:17 and wait until morning to continue their descent. So that way they don't get hypothermia. But what is peculiar is she said that the location they were where they decided to make camp was in a clearing. They weren't they didn't go anywhere where it was. They had cover like the forest was ten miles down the path. They could have continued and got into the forest where they could have had a little bit of cover against the rainfall, but it said they camped in a clearing. So the camp in the clearing. 19:46 right that wait until morning and they woke up. They ate breakfast together and they continued along the path and so now the storms wake up. They ate about six hundred forty six hundred fifty calories together, yeah something like that and then they continued along the path and then they were roughly at an altitude of twenty three hundred meters to seven thousand feet, give or take and 20:12 christen, which i'm going to use his first name alexander christen, was at the back of the group and all of a sudden he started screaming and so everyone of course turns around and they're like what are you yelling about? And they turn around, they found that he was bleeding from his eyes and his ears and he was frothing at the mouth and so he fell to the ground convulsing and then went still and so corvino 20:40 our master sports person. She important back story. She saw alexander as like a son. Like they were really close. Their families were really close, like how old is she at this point? She's forty one okay, and so she rushes to his side and she starts like trying to do CPR, trying to save him, you know, and then all of a sudden she starts screaming as well. 21:09 and then she started also bleeding from her eyes and her ears and then she fell over, convulsing and she passed out and yeah, died and so a moment later the group starts to kind of go into almost like a panic because another important thing that I haven't mentioned yet. These are all like fifteen, sixteen year olds. They're their kids. Oh yeah, I didn't mention that 21:33 but yeah, so she's the only adult in the grip. This is a youth group outing. Now your adult has died. Yeah, now your adults dead over one of the other kids that's dead in a very graphic way. Yeah and so everyone starts freaking out and then Philip Panko who was Tatiana Tatiana, Philip Panko. I'm having to like cross reference their names. She all of a sudden collapsed, grabbing under throat, saying she couldn't breathe. 22:03 and she falls over and then another one of them against the rock until she went limp. grasping at their throats, clawing at their own throats, and throwing up blood, tearing out their clothes, 22:33 uta chanko. She ended up running and ran down the mountain where she set up a tent for the night and camped under a tree for cover, and so she's on her own now. She pretty much left everyone out on the side of that clearing after they all freaked out so that they all died anyway. Well, yeah, the next day she returns back to the site of where this thing happened and then all their bodies are there. No, they're also there 23:00 And for four days she followed power lines down the mountains and followed these power lines down the mountains, hoping someone would find her. And it was when she found the river on August 9th, where she found a group of Ukrainian kayakers and they rescued her. And so she tells them what happened and they're like, oh my God, like come with us. They're like, you killed all these people. They're like, come with us, we're going to save you. And so they take her back to camp and 23:30 When she gets back to camp though, her demeanors different and I don't know demeanor is the right word. She gets back to camp and then people at camp are asking her what's happened and she won't talk to anyone. The kayakers are telling them everything that she told them. And so the kayakers are like, yeah, here's what she told us. And she's like, she's pretty shaken up. She doesn't want to talk about it. And so they can't get a story out of her. And so because no one in the investigators can't get stories out of her, it actually takes them 23:59 a couple weeks to get a group out to go like a go where the bodies are yeah a search a search party. So on twenty fourth of August is when they finally go out, so she was found on the ninth yeah and it wasn't till fifty weeks later, fifteen days later, yeah that they finally go out and search for the body and it took two full days of them searching before they actually found the bodies of everyone and they did discover the bodies. They did manage to track them down and where when they found them 24:26 They found them using helicopters like helicopters and they found that all of them were partially undressed. All of them had bruised lungs is what they said that they found, they had bruised lungs. Many of them had like scrapes and cuts all over their necks. So as she described. Yeah, scrapes and cuts. And many of them, not all of them, but many of them had their eyes like eaten out. And so they think like predators got to them later, but it's strange that they only ate their eyes. So took the bodies, sent them for autopsies. 24:56 they got the autopsies and what was determined was that they all died of hypothermia except for corvina. She died of a heart attack and the okay. The official report said that it was due to a protein deficiency due to malnutrition. That was the leading factor in them getting hypothermia and so the official story of thermia. Yes, hypothermia is what kill them yeah, but is that will happen to you 25:26 If you have a protein deficiency, you get hypothermia. Yeah. So that's strange. Uh, so the official story that is put out is that they had not been getting enough food for this trip. Um, and so they became protein deficient. And then when they were on their way back down the mountain, they got caught in that rain and they all got wet and cold. They slept in the open where they got more wet and cold. They woke up the next day and they continued hiking and 25:56 in their protein deficiency, not realizing how bad they off they really were and then they got hit with hypothermia and it it's described as like a sudden onset hypothermia, but really they just weren't aware of the effects until it became very serious right and similar to we talked about this in the dial of pass episode where there's that 26:20 paradoxical undressing where all of a sudden they started feeling the effects and they started freaking out and thinking they were hot and trying to get their clothes off and that's when things started going awry for them. The blood from the eyes and ears and the frothing of the mouth is a little strange. The compulsive in that scenario, I guess I could kind of see if you're really freaking out 26:44 the girl banging her head against the rock though. Yeah, that's a little crazy and what that yeah, that's pretty hypothermic. You're right and then corvina. What they say is that that was kind of like a broken heart situation. Like she was scared and freaking out and panic right and led to the heart attack. And so obviously a lot of people are like yeah, that's bogus. That story doesn't make sense like you like you're saying and so there's a lot of theories about what actually happened here. 27:11 okay, so I do have a map now that we know that they're dead. I didn't want to show you this map until they died because it says six acres okay, so yeah. So they started along the lake went on the hike. They took that campsite shortly away from that. They all die and then they were supposed to meet with the other group over there. Right. They did not make that meeting instead Valentina. She went down the mountain and was discovered at the river is where this all happened. So the theories of what happened 27:41 the most likely theory aliens. Obviously Aliens have been proposed that I don't know they showed up and they did it. I guess that's a real you're really going for it. That is a real theory. That is a real theory that they only showed up and they did it and like I don't yeah. I don't know the idea there. Another one is the almost have you heard of that the one the almost no. Let me see if I can actually get a picture of all this. This is an interesting. This is going to scare me 28:11 I don't think so all right, so this is the almost as big foot. It's Russian big foot, okay, which that reminds me. Have you heard of what the more mists think big foot is you want? Have you heard of what the Mormons think big foot is? Do you know the Mormons 28:35 have an explanation for Bigfoot. Do you know what their I know the Mormons think Satan and Jesus are siblings right? Other brothers brothers, their homies, but like not the good kind of brothers. They're like brothers who had a falling out and our bros yeah yeah and that's why that's why they're competing for everyone. When you say Mormons, you mean like like a Mormon, I don't. Yes, yeah yeah. They think Bigfoot is who they think Bigfoot. They think Bigfoot is Cain like Cain and Abel Cain 29:05 and that was because he did the murder. He doesn't get to die. He's stuck or roaming the earth roaming the hills of Pennsylvania as big foot. Why so this is Cain, so Cain could have done it honestly. Let's ask in ham. What is can ham? What does he think is this? Is this cane real? Where does it say that 29:32 I don't know if it says it anywhere. It's just like a it's like a wives tale on the Mormon church. Oh yeah, that's cane, that's cane, that's cane and really honestly it was said by someone who was talking about wdbe ease cane. Yeah, yeah, you might be right. Isn't look what he's doing now. Wwe cane, because I think I remember if I remember this correctly, when you when you google this, you're going to be like wait what this just says cane hasn't been on tv in a few years parentheses because he's doing corporate stuff in real life. 30:03 What is he wick a pedia? No, it's on some other site. Wikipedia was what's his actual name, his actual name, Glenn Thomas Jacobs, Glenn Thomas, Jacobs, Glenn, Glenn, Jacobs, Jacobs, Mayor of Knox County, Tennessee. He's the mayor yikes 30:31 he's a politician now in that awful. That's great good for him. I guess I don't know. Well, I depending on what he says. I don't know enough about him to say good for him. Hey, I'm going to tell you right now bad for him bad for us. Bad for us. Okay, so it's nice county, Tennessee bro. You think he's out here being like we need public transportation 31:00 let's fight to decriminalize these parking tickets. Nah bro, nah he's yikes. Okay, so yeah, it could be aliens. The aliens could have been like you're in our stuff, and it could have been can be came. It could have been either from the Bible or the W. It could have been the mayor honestly. That's big foot country. Yeah, obviously hypothermia, the leading theory, obviously I shouldn't say 31:30 a theory. Another theory is a military experiment, and so this is kind of a dark one. The theory here is that corvina was a russian agent and she would take hikers how many you can kill while she would take hikers and she would experiment on them with different jackson yeah, what yeah yeah secretive weapons and see how they respond. She had one little sound bomb thing that did a high pitch noise and she called in she was is it supposed to have a green light 31:59 And and they were like, no, she's okay. I will not detonate. 32:07 What did she talk like a bear? She sounds like this. She's a russian agent. Okay, and so she lose. So she was she, which this was the first one where they actually like actually killed somebody, and so she had been doing this and like people were coming back with rashes and they were like sick, but they were never died and then now all of a sudden this is the one where a bunch of people died and then it got out and she accidentally killed herself to so that one's 32:36 a little a little strange. Another one that's a little a little similar is that they came across a military installation or experiment and they were all killed because of what they saw and for some reason they let the girl go. The girl got away and yeah and then this all went public and everyone knew exactly who she was later became super rich and she made a superhero suit and she started doing vigilante justice and the person that killed 33:06 all of this their campers was also a psychopath yeah villain yeah yeah. Is this the story of the Incredibles? Yes, credibility to where they famously all die. It's on the ride. It's on 33:32 Oh, this is the part where they die. This is the part where they all die. I say now it's like a universal right. It's like great job. Everyone's dead. You killed everyone. Oh my God, you killed them. They're on the I like a choose adventure where you choose the wrong like whoa, whoa there, whoa there partner seems like you're killing your whole group. It's like you killed everybody you psych 34:00 Bang! Bang, bang! 34:05 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tilen topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 34:31 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, but I'm sticking with it. You can go to tilland.com. and everything that's going on in the Till and Verse. 34:57 Another series that was contaminated water. was known to be a toxic waste dumping ground Obviously they weren't at the lake, and that poisoned them. Why wouldn't she be affected by this? 35:26 Yeah, you know, like know that this lake right here is toxic right, so maybe we should have bring our own water, bring some cases of water. We got enough room for all this food, twenty four hundred calories a day. Another theory is mushroom poisoning that they gathered some mushrooms, which here's the thing. Corvina was known to be a forager. She would forage on her eyes and so they said maybe she made a mistake, didn't realize she was grabbing some poisonous mushrooms, mixed it with the food of 35:56 all of the hikers except for it. A chanko she got lucky. She's like I know things. I don't want any mushrooms. Yeah, she said honestly, it's pretty gross to me that you're eating stuff from the ground. She's like everything comes for the ground. No, that's not true. She's like no, not the stuff we not this bird. I killed this thing coming from the sky. I only I only food from up there. Okay, 36:24 where did you get that? Oh, I killed it, but I don't eat ground chicken. She has got the word ground. I never eat anything ground on the ground. Yeah, that means that means it's on the crap. She's just in there. Everyone, everyone's at breakfast, eating their porridge on the fire and she's out on the edge of camp, just throwing rocks at birds and honestly 36:53 nailing like nail it to birds one stone. She freaking it's like ping pong. I brought bird anybody what bird are you talking like that bird? 37:10 I get bird looking up. I bring bird camp. I brought bird and they're like, you're going to, they're going to kill us. We can't eat that raw. It's over Russia food from up there. Good. Not the food from down there. 37:37 that cancel for this who night dare to nuke me. 37:48 put that on you to another theory. Yeah, is that the symptoms described by the to chenko right there actually very familiar or similar to the kind of death. There are the symptoms that you hear from nerve agents. Yeah, yeah, the theory is that this is a toxic nerve agent that they were exposed to most likely novachak, which was a soviet developed nerve agent in the eighties. 38:15 that was used until 1993 when it was suddenly removed from regular use and was actually considered to be one of the deadliest nerve agents to ever exist. How would they come in contact with it? Well, it was actually used in this area. It was tested in this mountain range. And what they said is for years that- Who did they test it on? The trees? I don't know. I don't know what they would test it on. 38:43 I don't know. But what they did say is that they said that in this area, I don't remember the verbiage that they used here. It was a, they called it an ancient curse because they had tested it in this area and they said that when you walked through the area, you could disturb the soil and it would release that chemical back into the air. And so the phrase is you could step on it and it would liquefy trespassers. 39:13 is the phrase that they used in this article. So yeah, I don't know what that means, but again, probably that then, but again, what's strange is the ten ko was not affected by she's a protein of the birds. She's not protein deficient. Yeah, she is eating all this. You guys have tree nuts and porridge. I've meet. I've been eating birds all week. Have you ever done this in your life? No, 39:39 the nature called me just came out here. I just follow I saw a burden. I saw a bird. I said I should throw a rock at that and then I tried it. I tasted it never going back when I got a real food ever again. Remember in college when you bark in a squirrel, you bark in a bird 40:05 you just being like a has reminded me of a time in got you ever in college. You're when you're in sixth grade. 40:19 what the heck dude, but you remember you remember that in we would all go to chopstick when when Reagan and Stevie sat next to us psychology and they walked in and they were holding parts like I brought birds. I brought bird like why don't these girls like one for me one for you bring bird 40:50 just give that to my dad, not me and we're like always traditional. The next the next the next class she came in and she said I bring police bring security. It's fair. I'll move. That's fine. I'll sit somewhere. I'll go to Missouri State. No yeah. They let you bring birds to class there. Oh, that was definitely that was like some. What was the hard work you 41:17 college. That is called the Ozarks for that college. The Ozarks behavior. I killed bird good keep doing that so no in college. We would go to chopsticks long live and Josh didn't like chopsticks, so Josh would go next door to subway and he bring his subway to chopsticks and he'd have the table of chopsticks of either subway there. 41:43 it's the same thing. It's you're like everyone's eating this stuff. Everyone else is eating. I'll bring my bird most glorious and perfect Chinese food that's ever been created and give to us for a short period of time. We were in college only to be taken from us, ripped from our hands and then the spring of two thousand and fourteen, but due to the government, yeah, it was the g. It deported well. They couldn't renew their work visas, so I guess I guess technically yeah. I don't think they got to part. I think they just preemptively left. You know 42:12 was that last year? Do we call him on the podcast? Yeah, we did. I don't think it was last year we were here. That's right. Which episode do we call chopsticks? You remember and we called chopsticks sister? Yeah, that's right and we found out there in Australia. Yeah, yeah long live. We got to go Tony and Michelle anyway. So Tony and Michelle, if you ever hear this, we miss you. 42:36 orange, chicken, medium, spicy, don't gosh, I missed that place. Anyways, so it could have been the nerve agents. I could win the nerve agents. Here's the thing now. It a chanko she gets discovered. She tells the hikers what happened or the kayakers. What happened? She goes home. She doesn't. She's not talking about it. She leaves. She doesn't talk about it for decades. Oh, she murdered. She marries someone else and 43:05 there's a reporter. She was married. She married somebody else. She wasn't married to someone. She wasn't married. Somebody else. Can you believe that she got moved on? What are you talking about? She gets married, gets married and then years later, a reporter tracks her down because the report is trying to get to the bottom of this story. The reporter tracks her down, finds her. She very famously doesn't talk to anybody about this. Yeah, the reporter tracks her down the reporter somehow gets her to 43:30 agree to let her come inside and tell her I don't want to talk about that. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about something else and so she what we want to talk about you one you want to spelling bee in the third grade right grade right. She said she's like I think so maybe we're interviewing the winners of that spelling 43:59 So a couple of questions. Could you spell your name is by your name killing it great go to spell nerve agent for me? I weird question. I can spell that what happened to the other six in your group? Do you want me to spell that or can W I K I L L E D T H 44:29 e m h e m a d e d o i t i lost that's what you're spelling. What'd you spell? I said he made me do it. Oh he made. I was like he what you do it cane, can see in 44:58 Cain came to my tent in the middle of the night and told me to kill them. He said it'd be funny. He said it was it wasn't funny. Hey, 45:17 I'm a figure. I'm not a shut up, shut up, shut up, listen, listen, wouldn't it be funny? You'll be really funny. You made me laugh a lot. If you if you're killed this entire people, you know, be funny. 45:46 and she's like if we put all their hands in warm water and made them be there, there's a that's also pretty funny, but what you should do is you should ruthlessly kill all this. That's so funny. If you did that, I will do it for the bit I gotta be honest. I didn't get the night when I told those when I told those kayakers and they didn't laugh. I was like oh no my like here's what we're going to tell them. You say you don't don't tie don't ever tile anybody. 46:13 don't tell ever tell us something else. The way you're telling the story, you're filing a laughing and you're like so I kill her. It was funny and the way you should never ever tell anyone that ever again here hop hop in her kayak. Here's the thing. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm actually I'm going to tie you to the side of my kayak. You just float by kind of like a gator. I just kill this water isn't very don't 46:41 drink the water yeah. I yeah you shouldn't drink the water, so she gets the interview yeah. She gets the interview and in the interview while doing the interview yeah. The reporter recounts that her husband doesn't know this story yet. This is the first time her husband finds out about this. He didn't even know that she was on a hike like this like he had never heard any of this. You know the case at all yeah. He had no idea that this that anything even remotely similar 47:09 to this ever happen to her. Okay, imagine a reporter comes to home yeah and he's like hey, is your wife here and you're like she's married dude like at least bring birds yeah and you're gonna do a bird. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, and then the reporter is like there. You know, this is pretty significant event yes in your wife's background and he's like 47:36 Oh really yeah like the day she met me doing an art. You're doing an article about that's fun. That's really no. It was it was a real. It was a real blind date. It's crazy never before and I'm gonna stop you right there. We don't care about you. There's something else going on here. I'm pretty sure your wife met Kane, like the mayor, no of Knox County, Tennessee. No, he is no also a turn. Yeah, no, not that one. Okay, like 48:06 cane of Cain and Abel fame. Have you read the Bible, Sir? Oh sorry, I thought Cain and Abel was that the apothecary story downtown 48:20 Anyways, so it's our candles and stuff. She tells a story for the first time. Yeah, it's interesting when she tells this story back, it's different. Okay, and when she tells the story back, the the first kid bleeds from the eyes and everything and dies. Corvino comes back, tries to save him, has a heart attack and dies, but then the group gets together and says we need to try to make it down the mountain, so they leave them and they all move together and then later 48:49 it happens to another one of them and then that's when they start freaking out and one of them runs and bangs their head on the on a rock. Another one hides under a tree and dies in our tree and then she's left alone. And so a very similar story, but different, but different. And so another theory is that she did it either by mistake or on purpose and has hidden it all this time. Okay, but that's never been discovered. The official report was hypothermia. 49:19 And that's kind of where it lies. And the last theory is like the sound burst, which is the same thing that we hear from dialogue past the catabatic wind. And basically what happens is this wind that can come over the mountain and it creates almost this sonic boom, but it's like too low. The frequency is too low for us to hear. Yeah, and then the pressure basically blows you up from the inside, I guess. Okay, but why wouldn't that affect her? 49:46 Again, yeah, the question in all of these is why is she fine? Like, why does she survive out of everyone in this? And so the two or three that I think you probably could explain away or maybe the nerve agent, if somehow she ended up not getting exposed. Mushrooms, if she didn't eat the mushrooms, hypothermia, if maybe she didn't get wet, but I don't know how she does it in the storm, maybe if she had an umbrella or she was wearing different clothes or something, she ended up being OK. 50:16 I don't know how she could do that or she did it. I don't know what else like everything else. I feel like she should have been affected by yet and it should have also at least hurt her, but zero effects yeah, so I'm not really sure what happened there. Also, I feel like now we have the technology to you know test her blood in her system and see 50:46 you know if she's any long term effects from those kind of from a nerve agent or something yeah that's interesting because she's only forty five forty she's for the fifty yeah she's not old she's still around yeah she's still floating around out there. We could interview her maybe I mean we're what are we just a couple of dirty Americans on the phone. We're not on the phone. We can be anybody we want to be high. We can ship her a couple birds 51:16 Hey, she she opens up her mail one day to find three birds. What's your name again? What's hey? Hey, Ocho Cinco Oona, Jango, Hey, the guy who sent you the bird Joe Biden President, it's even worse. I was just calling to say hey 51:38 What really happened? My dying wish is to know what happened. I promise I won't tell. I'm not going to tell. This is a secret between you and me, Udachenko. Hey, listen. Listen, listen. I'm telling you the truth. 52:08 So yeah, that's the Camar, Dave, an incident, Camar, David, incident, Camar, David, incident. I can't stand that wrong. It might be Camar, Dabin, Daban, Camer, I don't know, but we have no idea what happened. I mean it was probably she probably did it. It was probably the big foot. Oh, something happened, something tragic happened to you when you were a teenager and no one else in your group be your sounds like you did it. We could be you wow 52:34 she did just put out a book called if I did it. I will say though she we don't know if she did the this incident in the woods, but we do know that she killed Andy Goose. We don't bird a go bird. That's not as point of the sky. That's yeah, that a group like a rest in peace and as the fiddle off 53:04 just do like a rest in peace. Andy Goose, where the years he lived gone, but not forgotten. I love that 53:16 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of things. I learned last night. 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The Khamar Daban Incident is one of Russia’s strangest hiking mysteries. It happened in 1993 in the Khamar Daban mountain range. This tragic event has puzzled experts and left many questions unanswered. What exactly happened to the group of young hikers? A Group’s Adventure Gone Wrong Six experienced hikers set out to explore the Khamar Daban mountains. 23-year-old Lyudmila Korovina, … Read More

This Circus Dentist Defied the Law and Pulled Teeth for Fame

12-17-24

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00:00 So what would you do if you went to the dentist and your dentist had a necklace of teeth around their neck? Huh? Also a hippo in the dentist office like a live real life it both. That's right. This week we're learning about painless Parker, a traveling dentist in the eighteen hundreds, who was basically like a circus. They were on the town and he would do dentists work is like a 00:17 Hey, come one, come all, I'll pull all your teeth out. This episode was recommended to us by our member, Michael, the grandpa of Tillen. We appreciate this. The best way to get recommendations to us is by becoming a member. You can do that at tillen.com slash support. This comes out, what day is it? December 17th? Yeah, Merry Christmas. I think I'm done for the year. There's no more public, like most of the stuff I do in December is like Christmas parties and stuff. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. So I mean, I'm not home a lot in December, but, and I, you know. 00:44 we can't hang out, but I'm sure by this point I've got shows booked for the next year, so you can always find my shows at jaronmyers.com slash shows or at paulredtheactor.com. Speaking of private shows, this isn't one of them. Tell your friends about them. We want everyone to know that this show exists, so thanks. Thanks for watching. If this is your first time, if you were googling this dentist and you've just found this episode, this is a comedy podcast, so you are going to learn the info, but we're going to joke around a lot on the way, so please don't get mad at that. 01:13 Yeah. And if you hate it, we've got 200 other episodes you can check out. So thanks for being here. 01:21 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of painless Parker painless Parker painless Parker like painless painless yeah okay like pay less, but if pay was pain pain pain less Parker, this is him to give you an idea of the era. Okay, this photo was taken three years ago. It's a it's a filter filter. It's an issue. This is back when Instagram started yeah, a painless Parker 01:49 take a guess. What do you think pain this parker does? I'm curious if you can get to this. I think he is a businessman. I think that he that's one way to put it. I guess sure. O was in the mob no oh, but I could see it. Honestly, I didn't think about that before. Parker, but there's a chance that that's is he a hit man? No, no, we're not. We're not back to back hit head episodes. Okay, and this no painless parker born eighteen seventy two in 02:19 Pianamuth Creek, New Brunswick, Canada, okay, so he's a Canadian. If that gives you any idea about him was he was an interesting guy because he as a kid was not like the most astute person in the most astute kid. I had a hard time in school kind of I wouldn't say dumb, but you know just didn't do great. He's teacher would have especially in that. I wouldn't say dumb. A lot of other people would though. Yeah, I want to say dumb 02:48 but as a teacher I would so he went to a KDA University in Nova Scotia okay where Nova Scotia okay? You got a problem with this? Why I'm saying that you do you think man he was expelled from Nova from a KDA University? Huh? You called I feel great. He's crossing your arms over there. Yeah, it's just how I talk some. Just put your sweater back on. Why don't you just shut up? Are you cold? I feel great. I've never felt better. He I just I can't 03:17 I'm distracted because I cross my arms because you're over here. I cross my arms sometimes whatever I piece it now sometimes. Why did you say that? What so what so I cross my arms I PC that was that to do with anything you could have said anything else 03:44 we don't see that video. Some I said it. That's how I said it, just like the guy in the videos that I referenced the video. I don't spend. I don't have internet. I've seen that video. What video you talk about? It's a video where a guy the exact way I said I cross my arm. Sometimes it's a video. The guy's just on like selfie cam and he's like he's like I P sitting down sometimes. So what if I P sitting down sometimes? Sometimes I like to peace sitting down and we're on different sides of tick tock 04:12 I only go on the stem channel. Why did they do that? 04:19 I only follow and it's like not even update good. It's so yeah. You just have to tag your video stuff. It's like here's how soil works and you're like oh God, give it out in weird people. I need to get back. I got to get back to the weirds. It's because it's because they're trying to block it in the US and they're trying to tell the US away. We're so no, no, no, no, there's smart stuff on. We're there. So I there's some on here. Yeah, let your kids watch 04:49 your pee when you're standing up versus when you're sitting down and how the velocity of the way that the water hits water it's better for the environment better for the environment and I'm trying to save baby seals. Yeah, that's a thing. It's a thing. So what if I cross my arm sometimes? See you're doing it? Yeah, I'm freezing and you're in a t shirt over. I was just worried about you. I've never felt better. Okay, so painless Peyton Manning 05:17 so painless by my patent, his I'm painless man, so I should say his name isn't painless. It's Edgar Edgar R. R. Parker. He so he got expelled from Acadia University and after that he's like well, maybe I can go to the Baptist Seminary in New Brunswick, so he goes there. He also gets expelled from the Baptist Seminary, and so he says well, these this isn't working for me. 05:44 and so he becomes a door to door salesman selling pots and pans and stuff. Yeah, and this is the 18 nineties. Yeah, it would be eighteen nineties about and so the silver dollar city era, if you will. Yeah, but he's in Canada, so I don't know what they're at. What do you think they were ahead of us? Well, yeah, but but some of our city was super American 18, so whatever the Canadian version of solar city would be. What do you think the eighteen nineties were like across the world? 06:11 I mean it was similar, but what I'm saying is it's not as patriotic like the like some of our city's super patriotic is he weird if you were in Canada in the eighteen nineties and they were like the American flag. Isn't it? They say hey, we hate this country and you're like what and you're like we're in Branson, Missouri. We freaking hate this place. I'll tell you what we love Nova Scotia. We love it up there and I give us Scott. No urinals in this park. We peace it down. 06:40 like true Canadians. You're like well, this part's way different than I thought. I was no one expected. Where's all the roller coasters? It's just just there's no year at all. No roller coasters, none of the roller coasters have seats though. That's interesting. Yeah, you have to stand up and all those 07:00 it's like those it's like it's it's stand while you we sit while you P. That's what they are saying. That's what we call it stand while you we like I know what you do, but then sit while you but they have bathroom attendance, so they make sure they're like like hey that's not the bathroom police. Hey, you got to sit while you do that. I see you hovering 07:28 I see you hovering over it. I was in I want to see skin to see contact. I was like I have a season pass holder and they're like we don't care. It's like it's like when I was in sixth grade and dude every time we're doing an insanely wild out there bit every time dude you're like this reminds me so much of the time when I was in 08:05 time it is for bill is just like my software. You're a high school. What are you talking about? Never go ahead, so great, so you know it reminds me a park like this. It was when when I was in sixth grade, we went to water world in Denver. Oh, you can go anywhere there. Rims and they had a ride. I think it was called the land before time, but it wasn't based on the movie, but the idea was it was like dinosaurs is land before time. 08:34 and they had a that was the sign and then they had a nail like a new sign right next to very poorly not affiliated with the movie though. It's what I had to do with the chick-fil-a rap or I had to go edit the captioning yeah not affiliated yeah exactly and they it was like you went through to do it. They knew the whole time and they were like hey put this out there. We're going to do a co-optive you know yeah, but then they were waiting for the reception and yeah yeah you know that's how politics work yeah and so 09:02 the ride, you go through the cave and that's all stormy and then the dinosaurs and then the comet hits and you come outside. That's the ride. And then the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs are dead. You come out. But you're in the cave and so you kind of, especially if you're a kid, you have this illusion that like no one's watching. And so one of my friends, we'll call him Jeff because that's his name, Jeff gets out of the raft and is like trying to swim through the ride. And the second he steps out of the raft, there's a whistle from somewhere. 09:31 and they're like back in the raft and you got here from standing up peon. Why is the same thing you're out of theme park, European sit European, standing up and you hear a whistle in the bathroom. The guy's like a you got to sit down. You got to sit down while you do that is the same thing got to make contact. It got up my I'm going to check when you're 10:00 I have a little thermometer and I go around. I check the temperature of the seeds too cold. I would rather throw up my guts in a public bathroom than sit on a warm toilet seat. I'll tell you what I sit down. I go what has touched that's not cold enough 10:20 that's why that's why we invented hello sharks. You ever sat on a one toilet seat sucks right? That's why we have a little fan like you know those ones you point yourself. You're like you know theme park. We have a fan to cool down down the toilet seat. The toilet yeah also works on the other side of your pillow and make it cool and make your pillow cold, so it's just a fan. So what you're telling me is you just make up a I nailed fan is all a cool. Thanks sharks, stay cool. 10:50 trick your brain into thinking someone else has never touched that toilet seat in public. That's our slogan. We're working on it. That's also in the slogan. That's our slogan. We're working another business. I do moving trucks. If you know, okay, so painless Parker, so he's door to door selling, selling pots and pay on pots and pans yeah, but he's having a hard time making a living. I guess yet. What did they sell back then the 11:20 these pots and pans yeah, but he's having a hard time making the living off that he doesn't really enjoy the work. Hey, sir, good morning. Are you happy with the pots and pans you got in your home? No, of course not. He's like doing the pre the door presentation. Yeah, yeah, you would go viral on the ring doorbell thing. That's what you got to hope if you're one of the story guys. You got to be really good at it and so he he's not making a livable wage, so he goes and he's like well, maybe I can be a ship hand and so he sure 11:47 gets a job working as a ship and traveling the oceans, the oceans, realizes he hates, he hates the ocean. And so then he comes back, hates the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. So he's like, he's like, well, the experience just wasn't good. Do oceans have borders? Yeah. There's, I mean, what? Yeah. There's every, every, every nation has their 12:14 What's the word for that their zone? There's a zone there's a wind is the Pacific Ocean become? Oh yeah, we do have a line. There is a line and it's actually really interesting. The Pacific and the what sea is that? Is it the red sea? No, there's a when the Pacific meets a specific ocean that you can see it and the water looks a different color. No, are you serious? That's not true. You don't know about this. You made that up 12:41 Okay, it is the Atlantic. It's at the point where the Atlantic and the Pacific meet. Look at this. This is going to blow your mind. I can't believe you haven't heard of this. It's wild. Okay, show me. This is this is I cannot believe you didn't know about this. They don't mix. That's what's crazy is the water won't mix between the Atlantic and the Pacific, so there's a very clear border. No, that's the same color. Oh my God, you know about this. You're gaslighting me right now. You knew about this from the start. Never seen this. 13:10 Look, this is AI, dude. Oh, it's real from the boats. That's crazy. Yeah, that's real. Which one's the Pacific? I think it's the brighter one. I think the Atlantic is the dirty. I've been on some cruises. I know which one it is. I think the Atlantic is the dirty big old blue one is the Atlantic looks like the Gulf where I spend my days slinging jokes. You know I'm saying all right anyways, so paying this worked on the ship. Yeah, 13:38 didn't love that came back, got a job working in a warehouse and got hired for a job. The guy told him that he was going to pay him. I think it was 10 cents a week, which obviously it's a different time, right? But to put that in reference, if adjusted for inflation, that'd be $55 a week. So my great at all terrible. And so the story goes that he was carrying, I think it was the I think it was a warehouse. 14:06 and the warehouse like had like light bulbs or something or something glass. I don't remember exactly was something glass and he the guy told him he said yeah we're going to pay you ten cents a week and edgar when upon hearing this dropped the glass whatever it was and it shattered and he walked out and that was the last day he saw those guys he's like yeah i'm not yeah get out of ten oh ten cents wow don't do favors and so plus benefits 14:35 and so after that he was like well. He said all these jobs I'm trying to do are you can't make good money doing any of them, and so he said you know what I'll do what I heard you can make a lot of money doing. You know what I'll do medicine, and so he goes to New York College of Dentistry thinking. I don't know. I haven't been able to get through any school before. Let me do that. So he applies for the school and he's working there at the school or he's doing school, but obviously still needs to 15:04 How is he pay survive? Yeah, so needs to survive, so he's while he's doing school. He's like about six weeks in he's like. I think I know enough. I get this point yeah, stop it, so he starts going door to door in New York and he's like he's like hey, I'm a dentist. Did you t there let me look at them teeth? Yeah, he's like your teeth are I can pull them and so he's going door to door yanking people's and people are like yeah. Actually, my tooth does hurt 15:34 he's just like hey, you open the door already. Why are we just tying a string around that when you shut it? No, it would come in with a little forceps and stuff and because we will be like yeah lean lean your chair up against the counter as on dude and all your to think of that. That's like that's in the relative time. That's not a long time ago. No yeah, not at all, not at all. This is where we were as a people 16:02 Well, I think I open this up for that. We all think that was crazy. What are you talking about? That was 16:15 That was so normal what I did. I did not do anything weird. No, I did not do anything weird. Ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! 16:29 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 16:56 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still. I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 17:13 so okay. I'm saying like that wasn't that long ago. That was like relatively. You know it was a hundred and thirty years ago, but yeah, but I mean here's a thing. It wasn't like this was accepted behavior because the college found out about the college found out about this. What the heck man yeah, the college found out and they were like you're expelled so that he got kicked out of school immediately because they were like yeah. You can't do that. He's again but I pulled a couple teeth before now I got the now. I understand it. 17:43 Yeah, he's like I get it. I now I understand it and so he's like fine. He's like if you guys won't take me, I'll go to the Philadelphia Dento College. Yeah, work doesn't travel. Yeah, he goes to Philadelphia and they're like and they're in the screening and they're like. Have you ever been expelled from a school for trying to pull teeth going door to door and he's like he's like that's an oddly specific question. I did not do anything weird. Did not do anything. We're as a terasy. That's a perfectly normal thing to do. I did not do anything. We're like okay, you're accepted. 18:11 And so he goes, he plays by the rules, And so then he goes back to New Brunswick, And he sits there, he rents a space and he sits there for six weeks considered unethical to advertise dental services 18:41 and so nobody ever did it and so why unethical yeah. I mean I think I I don't know, but I'm going to be honest. It sounds probably fair. I mean you like I think like you should be able to put your name out there, but to like advertise for it. Oh, sure, sure, sure, and they did used to be in the barber shops. Yeah, they were just the back of the barber shop, the back room in the barber shop, but he had six weeks with no with no 19:10 You got a bad tooth, we got a guy in the back crazy hundred and thirty years ago. That's not that long ago. That's crazy. That's true and so he didn't get a single patient. Now you're the dentist and they go hey, by the way, you have eight cavities. You don't. You need to get a second opinion on the number of cavities that a dentist tells you you have because that's how they're ran. They know you don't know how to prove that. Yeah, that's true. They're scamming you. Yeah, yeah. If you go to the dentist and every time you go, you have cavities 19:39 you don't have cavities. You have a bad dentist yeah or either that or you're eating way too much candy. That's also possible. I guess, but you can verify that by going to another dentist. Yeah, that's a new teeth. You're like whoa yeah yeah. 19:59 I'll pull them for. Can I please pull your teeth meeting someone and say can I please? I was going to meet you, got you handcuffed, I'm going to pull your teeth, got you under contract under arrest and now under anesthesia. Huh? Hey, I mean you I'm gonna pull your teeth and that's an insane thing. What 20:29 you know, there's a room back there. You don't want those your mouth anymore than I want them in your mouth. Do you yeah it's got what you think about is kind of annoying that they're there right? Like you feel it, I'm you hate them to right right now. You hate them to hit him too right. I can tell you ate him so he's been rid of those for you. He's been six weeks with no patience sure one one evening he's talking to his landlord. I don't know. I guess people were friends with them back then and so he's like he's like yeah man. I just I can't get any patience to come back to my 20:58 my dental office. I don't know what to do and he's like. I know it's not ethical, but he's like I'm considering considering getting into advertising. He's like. I think that putting a sign out yeah, maybe things might go better if I advertise and his landlord is like well, as luck would have it, one of my friends by the name of William B, he used to work for P T Barnum and he knows a lot about advertises names was super stupid back. 21:28 You know, really a BB, shut up, dude. Oh, you know, as luck would have it, William BB, Bill BB, yeah, Bill BB, Bill BB, or you know, Bill BB, Bill BB, your little bill BB, BB. So what if I BB sitting down sometimes 21:54 I'm a cow. That reminds me of when I was in the sixth grade. 22:02 so he so his landlord connects him with William B, B sure who just recently retired from working with P T Barnum the circus guy. We have an episode about P T. We do yeah. You can go back and check that out. He's standing up 22:20 he he meets him and they get to talking and he says hey, like check this out. I know a lot about circuses, you know, and so he says what if we take this on the road and so they put together a dentist circus and they they rent a wagon. They get a band together and what they do is they started going from town to town across Canada. They roll in with the ran a wagon. They'd hit the city center 22:49 and the band would come out. The band would start playing attract a crowd and then Edgar would walk out and he would say it's me painless Parker and he would talk like a like a circus like folks. It's me painless Parker gather one gather all and then he would do his like a speech on you got bad teeth. I can see him from here. Well, what he would do is he do a speech on dental health 23:14 he'd be like he'd be like make sure you brush your teeth every day and you floss yeah stay away from sticky foods and treats and then he says he says this is how you're going to protect yourself going forward and he says also if there's anyone in the crowd today that has a sore tooth, I can pull it for you right here right now and if my name isn't painless, it's not going to hurt and so he would like pull their teeth in the back of the wagon. Would it hurt 23:37 oh it would hurt really bad, but what they did is they had the band plays. You couldn't hear him screaming and so yeah also 23:52 Oh yeah, we're going on tour next month. We just secured it. We just secured a huge tour man. It's gonna be a while we're hitting all fifty states. It's gonna be crazy to you know really a hours an opening act, you know, and then we play kind of during the middle of the show. So really who you open him for a band called painless Parker, dude. I think you know 24:12 Lincoln Parker Lincoln Park, Painless Parker, I don't know. They do the songs from the Transformers movies. You know the movies with the wagons turn into road like the wagons turn into robot. I don't really know what that is. I don't know what a movie I don't get. It's not for me dude. I don't watch movies man. I only I just make you know my my art. I just make my moonshine 24:43 I just make my moonshine and I P standing up and that's the that's the gig life for me man. It was you think we're ever going to stop smoking or like in a band bro. This is what we do. Rats might be the next cigarettes. I got my cigarettes might be the next big thing getting into you. You right. You tried this yeah. You heard about cocaine, so he is traveling town to town doing this thing. It's just so crazy to be on tour with a dentist. That's insane. It is pretty insane. 25:12 thirty three minutes by the way, close, but no cigar okay, and so he okay and so like already told me we're not going. You already said that you had to bring it up in the episode close to the cigar, and so people are screaming and the band can't play loud enough and so so they start giving so start giving people whiskey, so they're like okay, hey before you sit down, take a shot. 25:42 and the next week. This is the best dentist ever. I love this place. This is a great. That's why the barber serves beer dude. You know that Barbara's so anyway, we got to get your drug real quick. I don't even know me. I feel great right now and the whiskey wasn't working very good and so he ends up in one of the off seasons partnering with a local pharmacist to develop 26:11 his like a painkiller. Yeah, his pain powder, I think is what he called it. Okay, and so he would sprinkle that in. Oh, did he make ibuprofen? Yeah, he was sprinkled out in their mouth whenever to, you know, pull. I got like a cold sore on it on the inside of my lip and I got some of that stuff to put on it and then I the first time I did, I took too much and so my it got all over my tongue and so my tongue was just tingly for thirty minutes. I hated it. Yeah, that sucks. 26:39 yeah, so it's very similar concept. It would numb the it was like a way you just responded to me is the same way I respond when you go on your UAP rants where you're just freaking like oh my gosh man, do you think there's a lans the bottom of the ocean? The sharks are all in on it and the sharks all know each other and they're like oh look at those aliens down there and then I go man. My tongue was numb last night and you're like okay, I think 27:09 so what he was given them, he was giving them cocaine. He was giving everybody cocaine now. I was making a joke. I was making a joke about that. Yeah, that was the times, but yeah, he was giving everyone cocaine yeah, and that was how he was making them. He figure that out. Did someone just give him the pharmacist? Okay, the cocaine wasn't everything. Everybody was like cocaine's this magic thing you can put in anything and it makes everything better. If you use a little bit of cocaine and so that's what they were doing 27:37 Oh, a spoon full of cocaine, go down exactly. That was the original song. They had to change it for the end. They did. That's true and they photoshopped out his cigarettes, so they would. So they would jump in the town. The band would start playing. They would give his speech and then pull people aside and then he'd give him a little bit sneak him some cocaine, pull the teeth and then they become addicts for the rest of their life and this was his show. 28:05 He would tour around doing the show. I love that. And I love that guy. That dentist was crazy. The best dentist I've ever seen. I love that guy. And so he started to become almost like a household name, traveled this traveling dentist circus thing. And people would wait for him to come to town to see, went for their dental needs. They're like, oh, Painless Parker's going to be here soon. And he continually upped the ante on his circus 28:35 And so like he would have tightrope walkers. He had people that did the ring things. He got an elephant and he would ride in his town on the elephant. I was literally about to make a joke. He had a hippopotamus and he would start, he started opening the hippo's mouth and putting it around his mouth while he did the extractions from people. And so he'd be pulling people's teeth with his head inside a hippo mouth. 29:06 I'm just trying to think like why I mean it's a circus from this era. It's a circus okay, and so and he would when he showed up. It was kind of like this marathon of he's like he's like you need your teeth pulled you need your teeth pulled and he just pulled people's teeth and they were they were paying for this. Yeah, so it was fifty srein can hand or a fist. It was fifty cents per extraction and if they said it hurt he would 29:30 give them five dollars if he said it hurt. It never hurt because they were high. They were high on cocaine. Yeah. And so even if they said it, he would just gaslight them. How many would he do a day, do you know? Well, he did a lot. He would do a lot. His record, he said, was 357. And he, you're going to love this, he hung onto those and he made a little necklace that he started wearing to all of his shows. Ah! Shit, they were fine. 30:01 off. Here's a here's a close up of that necklace allegedly from that one day. I don't know. I don't maybe, maybe, maybe, but yeah, there he is. He would wear the top hat and the necklace sanders with a with a tooth necklace. It looks like those smarty necklaces you used to get as a kid. Human teeth 30:23 Oh, I hate that and so they tore for a while him and his friend William. Yeah, there's out there rip the road dog and oh my gosh, I hate sorry that maybe feel 30:38 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. So if you want to keep learning stuff, in the Tillon verse. 31:04 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, but I'm Till and Verse, that's the best place to do it. You can go to text tilland to 66866. There's a lot of ways to sign up for going on in the Till and Verse. 31:30 And after a few years of this, William is like, Nope. And so they start opening up stores. and they would put all this advertising on it. 31:59 and painless dentistry, yes me painless Parker, and so his thing was he was he was the painless dentist. New York's wonderful wizard of painless dentistry. Yeah and so he would he was the only dentist that would give you cocaine and so he was known for it and so they got they got an actual brick and mortar location with quite a bit of coke. Then yeah, 32:26 actually yeah a lot. A lot of you know he was using it recreationally, maybe probably yeah brick and mortar. They got a brick and mortar and they covered it with all these pay Parker signs in New York City and they actually started branching out and within just a few years they had seventeen locations across the states. Here's his San Francisco location and they all had this become cbs, doesn't it it might actually yeah. That might be a cbs now 32:55 and so he seventeen offices and now he's got all these other dentists underneath them that are working in there giving people coke, pulling their teeth, putting their heads in hippos. They're like, why is there a hippo in this dentist office? He's like, oh, you want to see some cool here? Love this. You're going to love this and he's still touring and so by the I ran out of masks to keep me you know, spit from off and I got to use this hippo. Yeah, yeah and so oh sorry I misspoke. He had 33:24 twenty eight offices and was employing over seventy five dentists and he was grossing three million dollars a year in nineteen. This is like nineteen thirteen and so adjusted for inflation. That's ninety six million dollars a year doing this weird dentistry and so crazy. Obviously, some other dentists start to have some problem with this because he's 33:52 taking a lot of business from them. And also like it's unethical in the industry to advertise for yourself. And he's very, very advertising. And they're also sketched out about the painless thing. And so this- They start going undercover. Well, this commission comes together and they put together this commission to basically pass a law. It starts in California, ends up passing nationwide later. But in California, where if you're a dentist, your office has to be named after your legal name. 34:22 he can't have his office called painless parker anymore because his name is ed Edgar Parker, so he legally changed his first name to painless on dude. That's what I'm talking about. He's like he's like I'm married to the game 34:44 but oh yeah, Edgar is my maiden name. Now it's painless because I'm married to the game. That's crazy, so yeah, so I respect that so much. I mean here's the thing he's making ninety eight million a year. Of course you're changing your name to painless in that scenario like of course yeah, of course you are Chad Ocho Cinco right there dude, so painless 35:15 is having a great career, he's doing the road dog thing, right, and William Beebe and him are like buds. And then one day on the road. Yeah, Beebe's getting rich off of them. And then one day. One day on the road. Beebe mysteriously dies. Beebe suffers a stroke and dies. That's what I'm saying, too much cocaine. Honestly, probably. And this was really, really hard for Painless. Painless, he actually, 35:44 I hate now that I'm just calling him painless. Yeah, but he was painless. Now he on Parker. I like painless. Okay, and so painless painless is very affected by this and he actually gets institutionalized for a little bit because it was such a major flaw on him. And after that he comes out and he kind of he's kind of changed like he's still into the dentistry thing, but he's not 36:14 as passionate about it. He stops doing the road shows. He sells off a lot of his locations to the dentists that were operating it and after a few years he all but retires from dentistry and I mean at this point he's made enough to survive off for years, but eventually the call you can't you can't deny the call and so he gets back in neither call, so he gets back into the game continues every time I think about quit and stand up. 36:44 Yeah, you know, I'm not going to rob the world of this gift that God gave them. Yeah, you're right that God gave them so I have no choice. I am but a vessel. That's why my legal name is Jaren Myers comedy. Okay, my legal name is at Jaren Meyers. 37:10 You add the at to your first name. That's insane. 37:18 so he gets into it. He gets back into it, opens up it or it still has one of his remaining shots continues to work out of there. The San Francisco Lo take location moves into the apartment upstairs gets married, has a son, names his son painless jr. That's true and then a couple other kids that he didn't name and then he was just like Maria. Yeah, he cares 37:43 who cares you're at the first no sorry that was it was painless. It was Maria and then who cares that was okay. I see it yeah because his wife was kind of dumb. She said what I want to name this one. Who cares she's like I don't hate that I like that works. All right, you 38:08 It's kind of dumb and so then he he put together all these dental care products. He started selling the powders, the toothpaste, all this different stuff, right mouthwash and made good money off of all that and ended up working until he died as a dentist and hold on. Let's see nineteen fifty two at the age of eighty 38:34 And his products were still all over all sorts of stuff. But the second he died, a commission came together and outlaw a lot of the products he sold. And I mean, a lot of it kind of was, but he didn't. 39:00 He wasn't like a professional. Everybody kind of acted. They called him a showman, not a dentist. Okay. And I don't know. I think it's an interesting thing. And if you read like dental journals, they have this weird love hate relationship with them because they do a credit him as being someone who really made dental health mainstream because he was such a good advertiser. I'm a dental health advocate. How's your dental health right now? 39:28 exactly and so they were like they're like they think that because of what he did like that's dental teeth brushing and stuff like that wouldn't have become such a big deal like he was a person teeth brushing yeah stuff like that teeth brushing mouth washing teeth brushing all this stuff that we do to care for our teeth yeah probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for him. He was the pioneer of that. I mean eventually would have I mean dentures existed, but maybe I don't know 39:56 He was a pioneer in making all that something that the general public wanted to do. Well, you know what the myth about George Washington's dentures was. Oh, that they were wooden teeth. Yeah, but they were really... Yeah, they were something worse, something way worse. We'll let you Google it later. You can Google that. And so the dental journals nowadays are like, yeah, we can appreciate him for what he did for the industry. Yeah. But they... 40:26 are they don't like him because he wasn't very professional about it. I guess sure, you know, sure, sure, and so there's a weird relationship with them. His college, though, has a has a like, I don't know what you call it named after him. It's it's not a hall, but they have like a display in like their historical dental museum that they have there. Okay, and Philadelphia dentistry school. Yeah, they've changed their name to the dental university school of dentistry. The ten cents, sorry temple 40:54 temple University School of Dentistry, okay, temple University School of Dentistry. They have a history of dental museum and in that museum he has a display dedicated to him and that display has his teeth, necklace and it also has a wooden bucket full of teeth that he pulled himself because he kept them all. I guess and I guess when that's psychotic when he was traveling, he would keep those those teeth at the 41:20 in the bucket and so there'd be a bucking like we got all in here. Look at all the teeth I got yeah. Look, I've done this hundreds of times yeah yeah you can. You can count how many teeth I've pulled none of these. That's actually one of the carnival games. I guess how many guess how many teeth are in every teeth right here and so they're like they're like yeah he promoted it. He made it a big deal, but like we don't like the way he did it. It was kind of weird the way he did it and we don't really support that, but like yeah good on him for making it a big deal and so they out a lot of stuff coincidentally. 41:48 The person who led that charge in like banning all this stuff and taking the name off of all those office was a guy by the name of painless Parker Jr. Because he hated his dad. He was so mad. He was also a dentist. He grew up. He became a dentist, but he was a serious dentist. Like he took it seriously and he was like my dad kind of suck. He resented him for naming him painless. And so the second he died, he like 42:18 got back at him and took his name all and he changed his name and he changed his crest. He changed his name to Edgar. That's true. He did really change his name to Edgar. He changed his name to Edgar, but waited for his dad to die, so that tells me his dad beat him with that tooth. Nicholas. Oh yeah, I can't like I can't change my name until he's dead. Well, think about that though. Your dad has a bucket of human bro, 42:44 You're not going to be like maybe I should stand up to this guy and I guarantee at home this coked out crazy eighty year old with a bucket of teeth. I guarantee that when when painless junior was thirteen painless senior sat him down one day and said hey my name might be painless, but it's not painless to you. I guarantee that happened. This hurts you more than it hurts me. You know why, because I'm on cocaine 43:10 I don't feel a thing. I haven't felt anything since 1893. 43:17 so I want to see contact 43:22 Yeah, so that's that's painless Parker, the crazy crazy that's Colonel Sanders of teeth. Yeah, he also looks like Kellogg. He looks like Kellogg. Yeah, yeah, which it might have been kind of the thing at that in that era like doc look like that like that. Yeah, yeah, I just can't believe the tooth necklace. That's crazy. Yeah, so next time you go to the dentist, I mean bring it up, maybe just go to the circus, ask him be like hey 43:51 you guys got to be hippos got any cocaine here. I heard that was a thing. I heard that was like something that I hear that. Oh, I listen to this podcast hosted by Tim Stone and fiddle off Myers 44:13 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you like it, we've got another one called John R. Brinkley. He's another guy that worked in medicine, but was a little weird and had a bunch of medical boards trying to take him down. So if you like this one, make sure you check that one out. It's linked below or in some of the buttons, you can click all over the screen. If you like this show and you want to support, the best way to do it is by becoming a member. You can do that at tilland.com slash support. Our members make this show possible. They also get tons of great perks, like this episode, ad free early access. They get access to a Discord with our hosts and our producers and a lot of other, 44:43 awesome perks. So that helps to support the show. And also you get some stuff out of it. So it's a great deal. This show is a proud member of the Evergreen Podcast Network. You can check out all of their shows and more about the network at ever Thanks for watching our show. We really love that you're here enjoying this with us. We'll see you next week on Things I Learned Last Night.


What would you do if your dentist wore a necklace made of human teeth? Sounds wild, right? This was the reality for Painless Parker, a dentist unlike any other in history. Parker’s story blends dental work, circus acts, and a love for showmanship that made him famous (and infamous) during the late 1800s and early 1900s. Let’s explore how this … Read More

Rent a HITMAN? How a Parody Website Catches REAL Criminals

12-10-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of things to learn last night. Exciting news. We are officially part of the evergreen podcast network to find out more about them or their other shows. Go to evergreen podcasts dot com. We're so excited to be working with them. 00:13 and continue to grow our dumb little show. You know, there's a website where you can rent a hit man. Yeah, it's rent a hit man dot com very hard to find. Yeah, turns out it was someone who made a website was trying to do a different service, but people really thought it was a hit man website. So they started submitting requests like legitimately to get a hit man for a hit man. Yeah great episode. This one's recommended by one of our patrons. Her name's happy Shira. 00:37 in our discord. If you want to recommend an episode, that's the best place that you can do it. Become a patron and send us your recommendations for shows. Yeah, of course, and this comes out in december. I'm busy, but you can't come to them because of private shows. I'm busy, but you know they're private shows. They're actually no, just kidding. Tomorrow in Tulsa, Oklahoma, december eleventh, I'll be there's a show you can come to. Yeah, so if you're a tall site, it's coming to that a tall sin, unless you're a hit man, 01:05 don't do that then stay at home. So this is a great episode. Thanks for joining us. This is a comedy podcast where you're going to learn about the topic, but also we joke around and laugh a lot, and so hopefully you enjoy it, and if you hate this episode, there's two hundred other ones to hate go watch all the other ones and tell us about it in the comments, comments, comments, we want it yeah. We love thanks for being here. 01:30 Hey man, what's up man? Are we rolling? Yeah, we've got the whole thing sweet cool. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of rent a hit man dot com? Huh? Have you ever heard of rent a hit man? No, I heard rent a hit man, a hit man dot com. Yes rent a hit man dot com. 01:56 No, I think we should acknowledge that we look like we're in a hit man place. Yeah, we look like we're like waiting for the drop. You know, saying like this looks like we're yeah. We hit the little rewind. We thought it'd be fun to rewind for a second. Yeah, but all the way back to when we first got in this studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're, if you're listening on audio, we're back where we did our episodes like way before, like not the very first duty. We switched studios several times now. We do it a lot. 02:24 on our first every year. We're like, let's switch it up a little bit. Yeah, you know we were here for two years. We were in this one probably the longest on yeah yeah yeah we're not back, but we're just here for the we thought I thought it'd be fun. We thought it'd be fun to be in here sure for a few episodes. So we're here and right now it looks like we're in a warehouse. It looks like we're waiting for. We look like we're at the beginning of a saw movie where you're just sitting in an open room and it's like ah yeah ah you know what's what's going to happen. So anyway, he's going to get sod. 02:54 rent a hit man, a hit man dot com rent a hit. I don't think did you go to it? Yeah, I don't think you should that's on a list. It's fine. No, it's fine. It's I think it's fine. It's probably all right. Is it run by you hall? You're looking for a moving truck, yeah, or you're looking for a moving truck. If you know what we mean yeah, and that's what it is moving truck. If you know what I mean dot com 03:26 like the just subtly like if you know what I mean, what are you pointing at? Go to go daddy dot com and see if we can find moving truck. If you know what I mean dot com gosh are our bill on go daddies get we're paying like six hundred dollars a year for the we really are. It's getting too much. It's not too much. So wait hold on rent. No, no, no, moving truck, moving. You know what I mean. If you know what I mean that is that this 03:55 I don't know if I don't know if you're gonna believe this. It's a veil. How much I mean the same price any dumb domain is we're doing dot biz or dot com. I don't know. I feel like we should 04:16 wish probably dot com. This yeah, let's see. Let's see moving if dot com is available. If you know what moving truck, if you know what I mean dot com, I'm oh that's cheaper than dot biz actually a wow yeah. We're going to do that for sure. We're going to redirect it to you hall moving truck. If you know what I mean dot com okay cheese, so no rent to hit man similar, but different was founded by a guy named Bob and as this is him, Bob and as 04:46 which I don't like that way. He's standing like this. This is this is how business he's standing like he thinks this is what landlords look like. You know, that's not a landlord. That's what I guess that's clearly not a landlord, but that's what he thinks a landlord looks like. I guess it is like when the landlord walks in and they're like hey, we're not going to refund your deposit. Your hot water's been out for two weeks. Bob started this site okay, 05:15 in two thousand five Bob Inez, cool hands guy. Sure. He started the site in two thousand five and it was actually so he he's an interesting guy because he got into the I T space and he had a hard time. So he moved to Napa Valley in two thousand five and he graduated from the police academy and he after 05:43 I guess they were out of you say they had too many cops, a cop job, a cop job. That's what that's what it is. It's a cop job. Okay, he's like I can't find any kind of he set up a sting. He was like you know what will get me a cop job. I catch people, build up, but I got to build a resume, yeah, build a resume as a freelance crime fire before they'll let me do sanctioned crime fighting. He's like in his interview. 06:09 and they're like they're like what's your experience is like I've been glad you were seen the topic catch a predator. 06:16 I have rent a predator, what 06:27 you can do that. No, it's really close. What he did is really close to what you're saying right now. I guess is it a sting? I no not even close, so he couldn't get it. He couldn't get the cop job all right, and so he said well, what else what else can I do sure and he was like training that I've got he's like. Oh, I bet I can learn I T sure, so he starts trying to learn I T stuff makes 06:57 decent bit of progress and then sets up a website. I know some stuff about computers and I wanted to be a cop Is there a reason? There was a funding issue in that side of California. 07:21 sure and so there wasn't like that. He was like interviewing and they were like now we don't want you no yeah. It was like it was like all we can't afford you sure and he was like he's like hi okay, I'll do it for free and you're gonna get the taste people right actually honestly. If you want to do it for free, we can't hire you. That's like the rule. That's actually like you want to do it. You're not allowed. You want to do it too much to get to do it 07:48 you want this too bad. We can't let you let me be a cop. I want to be a cop. I heard they get kissed 08:02 so so I heard they kiss that cop dot biz fresh. Don't do it, don't do it. You go go on okay, okay, okay, so he it is available though he goes and he takes his I T skills and his hopping skills and he says well, what if there's a world I can put them together? Okay, and so he 08:32 starts a website called rent to hit man dot com. Okay, but that it's not what it sounds like because the idea have you ever heard of ethical hacking? Yes, like anonymous kind of stuff where they're like, oh yeah, we had to expose the truth and that's how we got him kind of thing. Not necessarily. So there is that and that's that's a gray area. I mean, some people would call it ethical. Some people could still call that unethical. What ethical hacking is, is there's this whole community of 09:01 hackers who instead of hacking and like leaking data and stealing information, what they do is they hack and then they take the information about how they got into that environment and give it to the owners of the sites. Yeah, it's like that there's a there's a there's a is it a YouTube show or like an actual like this seems like a discovery channel type show where it was like a guy who was like a security expert that would would test your 09:30 business is security. Oh, he would just go in and just him. He would break in. He would destroy stuff. Yes, it was kind of like remember. Remember they did that for homes. The it takes a thief on this. Yeah, that's where I think it's what I'm talking about. That show is sick, but yeah, it was just your home. It takes and then you would just watch them rip your house to shreds and it would be traumatic. People would be crying right right right and then they like your parents were there with you 10:00 and then if you didn't like that thief, you could be like next and then there we have to go, you know, and there was also big was there 10:23 Jesus, no okay, so companies and it's sign up for it. It's such a big thing that companies have like actual programs for this. They're called bounty programs yeah and so Microsoft has bounty programs and depending on what bounty you're going after, like for example, in the Microsoft has an identity bounty, which is any vulnerability related to identity services in their accounts right. If you find that vulnerability, you report it to Microsoft, they pay you a hundred fifty thousand dollars 10:52 and so there's all sorts of these. There's people who are just like making a living on finding. Yeah, this is all they do. They just go find these vulnerabilities. They report it. They take the bounty and the bounties depending on the site in the program anywhere from five and you know to these guys are scrawny little nerds, all right, little nerds and they're out here on the town and people like what do you do for livings? I'm a bounty hunter shut up, dude, shut up, okay, like that 11:18 Greg go back to your they've got that they've got that that gaming chair that like leans back like that. You know I'm talking about all the way back six screens, the chairs come and they're just like 11:30 Yeah, they've got the keyboard that split in half, so they have their hands like this. It's me more than someone who works for freaking Angie's list and has a slick keyboard dude. You're going to call center, put your hands together, put your hands together. 11:46 Ha ha ha! 11:49 why your hands like that? They have an L desk and they put it on both sides of the L and the screens right here. I don't think that's what the mouse is limit that's the one on the right, not plug. They've also got a track pad like little. 12:11 yeah and an iPad like dude, it's just setups that people have made in 2020 was way over the top because they were like what else do I do and I'm getting six hundred dollars stimulus. I'm going to upgrade my desk and every single week. Yes, yeah yeah and it was worth it so insane. Do we pop podcast equipment instead? Yeah, yeah, that's why it looks so good all of a sudden, so he starts this company during these bounties and this was relatively 12:37 for businesses and so they would hire their hit what kind of okay, and then their hit man would go find those vulnerable god. That was the company and he was supposed to be a fun little play on words or whatever sure ran the company for a little bit. Eventually shut it down in two thousand five later in two thousand five, so didn't run it very long like it only a few months. Him and his friends that started it parted ways. It wasn't like a huge thing, but like he left the site up like he never managed went to go take the site down 13:07 and so then he came back and he was like well, I'm going to sell it. He's like that's probably a pretty good domain. I could buy sell that so he listed it for sale. It's like a domain sure he put his email address, so the site was just a white screen that said if you're interested in purchasing this domain, email this email address. So it's his email address and he had like a separate. It wasn't his daily driver email and so daily driver 13:33 I hate everything about you. It wasn't his daily driver email. It wasn't the one he signed up for nothing bundt cakes email. You know, if you sign up for nothing, but cakes email list on your daily driver email, yeah, then that's a problem. That's that's problem number one in what the heck why that is that is a red flag. I get their daily newsletter. That's a giant red flag. Do they have a it's a cultural 14:02 zeitgeist man, it's such crazy because they send out information every morning. That's where I get my news. That's how I found out Donald Trump one was the nothing bun kicks email newsletter dude. I opened it. I was like oh 14:24 I deleted Twitter. I get enough information from the nothing fun. Thanks, nothing later. I was like I don't need to be on social media anymore. I think I get it. I think I get it. Yeah, that's the crazy every morning. I get my news digest from and you know what though they're very center. 14:44 people were talking about how the political slant nothing is like is fair. Just the facts, just the fact they let you interpret it, just the cakes, nothing bun facts man, everyone ends with a coupon. It's like I learn everything about what's happening. I know all my current events yeah and I get a bun cake at the I get a bun cake. 15:10 Should I redesign our email list? To be a nothing bundt cake. 15:17 can we how would you redesign it? What are you? What do you mean? Should we design it? I would assume this colors color scheme would be like pink and like moth okay and then yeah and then yeah everywhere we have pictures of bun cakes. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. They don't relate. We're not going to have all of our have to listen to this episode to give it. You know saying like 15:41 yeah, you just like why does every e-mail from three years from now you won't remember that joke. You can't remember that you open your cells. I'll be like why do we put buckings and all you'll be like. Is this a reference to our podcast? I'm like yeah 15:55 Yeah, it's actually your idea. Didn't you read the newsletter yesterday about Dementia? You didn't subscribe to nothing fun cakes and how the new information that on dementia patients I've not subscribed on my daily driver. How what are you expect right? My bad, my bad, check the Tim at Tilland dot com. So anyways, so he said my daily driver is roast beef at Gio dot com. 16:21 just so everyone knows it's two three yeah it's roast be three three f. I know that I come here yeah, so I do have the other one set up though to like just at that rost towards to the forward to my roast be thirty three f yeah. You've been trying to sell it to Arby's. They won't buy it. What it is it's a reference to how many years Jesus lived 16:49 My two favorite things, Jesus Christ and roast beef. 16:58 is my savior and my savor. Did you say my savior and my savor say it's my savor, I savor, savor the flavor I'm crying. Why the two I was trying so hard to keep straight on that 17:21 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 17:48 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I think we might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 18:05 So it's just the white screen. It's got his email address on it. He's not checking that email every day. He doesn't check it until two thousand and eight two thousand and eight. He hits it and he's got seven hundred emails and it's all people looking for a hit man nice, but he's he's like he's like most of these. I love that there's people who are stupid enough to be like hit man. Oh, there's a go website for and everything cool. Hey, I don't like my husband. 18:34 and I'm trusting this gmail thing hope you're not a cop, hope you're not a cop send and they sent it from their daily driver yeah and he's like he's like he's like don't worry the cops want to hire me. I tried trust me. I tried now I'm against them. Yeah, let's do this together. You create seven hundred emails. No one's like wanting to buy the domain. He's like they're all yeah. They're all people that are looking for a hit man for a hit man yeah, so he got 19:02 he got all these emails. Okay, most of them were a joke like the vast majority is a joke, but a couple of them he's like this might yeah. I think I would email a hit man as a joke. You know, and I just kind of test the water and they were like they were like hey, if you're serious like let's meet up and I go okay, so turns out turns out this is an option. You say it as you're like ha ha yeah. Oh, I'm just making a ha ha yeah. We've all been there 19:28 we clear. I'm making a ha ha to be clear. This is just a ha ha so a couple of them were serious, but a couple of them were serious, and so he was like he's like ha. That's interesting, and there was one that was from like a couple days ago, and so he looked at that and he was like he's like um. Maybe I should so he emails back. There was a woman named Helen from the UK. She's currently in Canada and she's wrote in saying that she wants 19:57 to hire a hit man for her three siblings who are out in the UK. She's trapped in Canada right now whole family because her three siblings are keeping her from her inheritance and so she's like she's like they're keeping me from the money that's rightfully. Yeah, I'd like to hire a hit man in the UK. Do you have coverage there? Their names are William Harry 20:21 this is the so royal family. That's a royal. I thought you and Prince Harry. I thought that was one direction. That's also one direction though, isn't it? Is it don't they have a William and 20:38 this is like whenever you try to name in sync members and you're like Justin Timberlake, a Dipper Lake. She was like yeah, we I want you to off them and so he looked at that he was like 20:52 do you still require our services and she responds back and says yes, and so he's like a great connecting you with a representative and so he you're the representative like you used. So he continues the conversation with her basically gets like this yeah she's she's actually serious about this. I really does want to go through with this. He passes this along to the authorities and the authorities track her down and get a conviction. 21:22 they okay. They take it from there and they're like okay yeah we're going to be the hit man sure and we're going to line set up a meeting watch on Netflix show hit man no no not show movie. No it that's. This is the concept of it. It was that he was he was a pretend hit man who would and dress up as different. Was he a cop? No, but he worked for the police department okay, but they contract him to do it. Oh it was like his side hustle 21:48 So what he was a freelance crime is a freelance crime, but they were like they were like hey, here's a job, you know whatever and he would go and do the the hit man stuff interesting, interesting and then he falls in love with one of the girls. It's a girl hires a hit man to take out her boy. Oh, so it's Barry yet kind of kind of no because she never hired Barry. She never hired a hit man. Yeah, that's right. Barry's trying to become an actor 22:15 Barry's such a good show. Okay, no, so I hear part about Barry is the songs at the I love you, you love me. I don't think you know what Barry I love Barry. I don't think you know a bit. You know Selena Gomez got her start on that show 22:37 and so he passes this along to the authorities. Sure they email her. They're like hey, we're the hit man from rent a hit man and she's like right where the hit man rent a hit man and she's like perfect. This is insane. This is so dumb, so she sets up a meeting with them. They meet up with her. They arrest her yeah, and so he anes is like okay, so that's kind of crazy, and so he get a bounty or any money for that 23:07 I don't think so okay, but he sat on that for a little bit and then he was like huh like that. Well, no, he was like he's like he. I mean, I guess there's probably a part of him because he tried to be a cop and now he works in it yeah and he's like there were a lot of people who emailed in and he was like I might have just saved three people's lives and he's like these people who were writing in like if I don't respond to them 23:35 then maybe they go somewhere else or maybe they try to do it themselves. Yeah and I want them to come to hire a hit man dot com, not hit men are us. Yeah, we got to be better than our competitors, so he sets up like an actual started on hit man for less, so he puts together like a real instead. He takes away the landing pages like if you want to buy this, who the original jersey mic was 24:00 he's a hit man. It was a hit man. Yeah, you don't get a day like Jersey Mike for making fresh slice. 24:09 so he takes away that little landing page thing is going to sell. He's like I'm going to keep the site up and he puts together like a real site rent a hit man dot com and he puts it together like this one hundred percent hip a compliant. Well, read what the hip is a human information, privacy and protection act of nineteen sixty four. No, it's the hit man hit man. I can't see from here. Tim got issues. Click here. Oh my gosh, 24:38 and so it's this whole site and it breaks news. The whole thing is it's pretty like it's obviously a joke sure like anybody who sees this at the at the footer. They have this little disclaimer that says they're no longer working with P Diddy Johnson and Johnson. Oh my 24:57 like this is obviously a parody site like he put a lot of keep reading the name. I know what else is in the name. I know what else is in the keep going. You stop you're like oh yeah, P Diddy Johnson Johnson and you're like anyway, there's a lot. Oh, keep reading the name. You can look it up. There's there's some pretty timely ones in there. I'll say so they it's pretty clearly a joke. There's all sorts of banners across the site that reference at this is like a joke. 25:27 but there's still a contact page. They have group discounts if you want to hit more than one. that's the whole thing too. that he thinks are legitimate. And so here's how he does this. 25:56 and he doesn't respond right away. He gives him a twenty four hour cool down period because he's like these people could have just got in a fight with their brother. They're just angry, let him cool off. We'll see where they're at tomorrow. Then later, twenty four hours later, he sends in a response to say thanks for reaching out to rent a crime until you exchange money right. Yeah, so so the here's the process. Should we what should we fill out a form 26:24 get through all the stuff and then be like hey, by the way we do a podcast. We'd love to interview you. We'd love to yeah, by the way, I mean, I don't even think you have to pretend like we could just be like hey, we're a podcast. We'd like to see that picture he took. You don't take a picture with your hands like this without liking it like you really like yeah. Okay, okay, okay, go ahead. So he gives him twenty four hours to cool off gives him. He reaches out. He's like hey, you sure yeah he's like he's like hey, are you still interested? 26:52 We love it's like a formal email. It's like thank you for reaching out. Here's our services we provide. Are you still interested? Here's our Google reviews. Yeah, he actually does have Google reviews on the site from people and their faces are blurred like Alex's on our site. Same blur like it's like this spiral blur on their heads and they're like yeah, we we hired a hit man. They were clean, discreet, covered everything. It was great and the prices were fantastic. Yeah. 27:15 but they still link their Google account so that it's like they may they leave that review and it's like loved using the service great hit man, but it's like yeah yeah you look at their other reviews three stars for Domino's cheese sticks were burnt loved your services, he sticks were burnt and so whenever he gets that whenever he gets a serious inquiry, I should say 27:40 he sits on it and then and then sends that and then if they respond and they say yes, he's like okay, I'm going to connect you to one of our qualified hitman hit man, which on the site, it says that they have seventeen thousand nine hundred and eighty five failed operatives working for rent a hitman dot com, which is the number of the approximate number of American law enforcement agencies. So and so whatever he does, he finds out their approximate area 28:08 gets all their information and then he reaches out to that local law enforcement agency and says hey, here's here's all of our conversations. I told him you'd be reaching out as a local hit man and then what typically happens from there is that law enforcement agency there's a sting. Yeah, they set up a sing. They reach out. They're like hey, we're the hit man from rent to hit man dot com and they're like the guys like sweet. They meet up. This is so crazy. I would love it for it for it to be like 28:33 Hey, this is Rebecca. I work in the offices of rent a hit man. We're just going to click over a couple policy things and just get a couple information from you. Do you have a credit card number I can put on file? No, no, no, it's only in case of incidentals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we only charge it in the incident. The person survives and we have to re hit them. We call it a second 28:59 that would be an additional charge. Unfortunately, just count as another full hit, you know, yeah, because that's I mean it's not cheap, but we would do a voucher for your next hit. Yes, yes, we would give you a we would give you a credit yeah, yeah, towards your next hit, and so this has been an operation since twenty ten. He set up this site okay, and it's still operating to this day and he still gets in crazy. How many is these caught along to law enforcement agencies? 29:28 I don't know how many convictions there are, but what we do know is that the estimate is that he says that there's been a hundred and fifty victims that have been saved from this service, so not a like those that's including groups, group, a tan, but I mean, so I hit man dot com. That's crazy. Yes, yes, so there's all you say the three people the first time, so that's three and then another person wanted to kill a hundred and twelve people. 29:56 No, one hundred and fifty, not one hundred and fifteen, one hundred and fifty. All right, sorry, sorry, so you I mean you got to figure that's at least over a hundred people who have been caught trying to hit someone in ten years. I mean that's one a month. You know, I mean that's over ten years. It's fourteen years, fourteen years. That's what I'm saying. It's like one month. Yeah, that's true, the ten a year. Yeah, so I mean pretty incredible. It's obviously it's still up. Most people recognize it's a joke, right. Here's the thing, though, man. 30:25 there's so many dumb people out there you're right, and if you're a person who is already dumb enough to Google how to find a hit man, yeah, then you're dumb enough to fall for this. It's the same way like you know the emails that they they send out. They have all the grammar issues and you read it and you go. This is clearly a scam. Do you know why they do that? Oh yeah, because you're trying to like weed out the people who will fall for it. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's not because like oh they look at they're so bad at english and they didn't know how to translate correctly. Yeah, it's you read it. 30:53 you know it's a scam, therefore you're not worth their time. Yeah, they don't want to waste their time on do a follow up email. Yes, but if you read that and you and you're like this seems this is it you already a little dumb yeah. They're like oh, we can get this guy yeah yeah yeah. It's like it's a qualifier. Speaking of dumb, did you see this congressional hearing last week about the UAP? What is the UAP UFOs? Oh come on man, 31:17 don't sneak in a conversation by aliens by calling them UAPs don't do that. Everybody knows that's what that is now. They don't know that I have mentioned that on this. I didn't see anything about that. I don't remember anything that happens in this podcast, but I know for a fact that I've said it. I've called it you. I ain't see anything about that on NBC. Yeah, well, I think there's nothing but cakes 31:42 the only reliable news source for me is NBC News. Oh, I bet you get all your news from a B C. You bet I do like yeah, but they're all their anchors suck as I anchors anchors. What are you talking about? I just read the article newsletter. It's an email newsletter. I read it. I read it for the articles. I promise I read it for the time I read. I read another butt cakes newsletter for the article. 32:12 for the articles. If you know what I mean every once in a while, I get a cake out of it. Okay, criminal no, no, no, no, no. Okay, so so this no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but the UAPs, aliens, you're talking about dumb people, everyone wanting to bring it up, so so there's this other. It's another congressional hearing. Sure, sure, sure. We talked about the last one with David crush 32:37 This one's got a another guy in it. Michael Schellenberger, I think is his name. He's a reporter who's been digging into this thing. He leaked a government program called Immaculate Constellation okay long story short. So what can I do a constellation makes me so mad? So it was him the reporter get it's a reference right? Huh? You get that it's a reference to what the Immaculate 33:07 Conception, conception, yeah, yeah, constellation. That's annoying, but so it's it's Michael, the reporter, what's the theory and it's lulz on dough, who is the big obviously whistleblower and then a couple other whistleblowers that we haven't seen right. Anyways, a couple other whistleblowers that we haven't seen yet that are supposedly like within the D O D coming out as sure lowers is the story and in this hearing testifying before Congress, the actual Congress, yeah, 33:37 The story that they outlined for Congress in this hearing was that, yes, the government has a crash retrieval program for UFOs. And they are reverse engineering these UFOs. And we're not the only government to do it. We know that at least every nuclear-powered government in the world is attempting to retrieve these and reverse engineer these. 34:04 and they said that's the reason for the secrecy because it's an arms race. It's like the Manhattan Project. It's not because we don't think people can handle it. It's a military thing. Here's where things get really interesting. Okay, the story line is that these these have been here for a long time, at least a hundred years, and they're coming from our oceans. They're not coming from space. Oh, I've seen this theory. These are their unmanned drones. 34:32 and there are essentially underwater factories that are building these to suit for each of their missions. And then they're rising up out of the ocean. That's why there's so many variants between each of these. And then they're coming and they're particularly interested in our nuclear power plants and our nuclear warheads, wherever those are stored globally. And so that's where all the sightings are happening. And so the storyline is one of two things that they're saying is one, 35:01 they are aliens. They came here, they built these factories and these factories are autonomously creating these drones and these drones are good factories are operating this on themselves. Yeah, just like we have autonomous factories sure with robots and stuff like that, so they're building underwater. Yeah, I mean they're okay. They're underground underwater probably, so they're underwater built into the mountain underwater and then they are building these ships. The ships are coming out. They're doing the recon and then 35:28 what yeah yeah, but they're unmanned and so that's why they're able to sustain such a high g's because the these are these are getting one thousand two thousand three thousand g's which will obliterate any living being right. So that kind of g forces sure that's theory number one sure theory number two is that these creatures live down there and that's why they care so much about the nuclear stuff we do because this is their planet to right and so they're very concerned. 35:57 because they're like you guys, you surface dwellers are risking stuff service all of us, you land losers yeah exactly and they either could be. They either could live in the water or they could live under ground in the water. It's right right right right here's here's my thing sure here's where I'm very interested yeah yeah go ahead. What if yeah you're going to love this in on with you? What if what if these crafts they're on man right? What if these are being built? 36:27 octopus yeah and they are setting the and the thing that that's why they're so smart. How we draw aliens man, they look kind of like octopi, octopi are so smart. We always talk about how or maybe dolphins. We always talk about yeah really smart and yeah whenever they come up to shore, whenever they come to land, that's their vacation. They're on vacation and like we can't let the humans know that we're smarter than them and so they're like we swim around and be goofy. 36:50 it's kind of like a pastime for them. I'm so glad that our podcast is a safe place for to get all this out so that you don't have to subject your family to this at Thanksgiving. Thank you for allowing us to be your place to say stupid stuff so that you don't take this out into real life. I really watches this podcast yeah, but we get to edit that part out. You know saying what do you think about that though? What do you think about that? That's a good theory though, isn't it? Yeah, maybe it's not 37:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the Dolphins, maybe it could be Dolphins, right? Right? No, I don't know. It could be Dolphins. Yeah, no, like if I right, it could be Dolphins, right? No, here's the thing. Why do you think the stingray took out Steve Irwin? Yeah, that's the only logical explanation. That was an act of war. That was a warning shot. 37:42 I knew too much yeah. Why do you think we nuked the water so much? Why do we think we test on where you think water castle bravo the open seas? Yeah, it's not. It's not a test. It's not a test, but yeah, there's a you should try this outside of San Diego. There's an island. It's not Catalina. It's a little further south 38:08 I don't think you guys understand the mental exercises I have to do to keep my sanity during these. I just literally I look at them and I just space out in my head. I go to a happy place. I go somewhere where there's waterfalls and green pastures. That's exactly where I want you to go because that's where they are. They're underwater. Yeah. Really? 38:35 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. So if you want to keep learning stuff, that's happening in the Tillon verse. 39:02 I like 39:27 I ran a women's sweatshirt right now. It's not a it's not a woman that kind of makes me angry. It's not a women's sweatshirt, Missouri State, women, US bowling league, yeah, it's support. I mean I not allowed to support in ship in turn. I can I not support women two thousand and fourteen. Am I not allowed to support women's bowling? Okay, can I not? It's a good. You really are the only conservative who's cared about women's sports for ten years now, huh? 39:56 I just like women's bowling. Is that such a dirty republisher rising you dirty gross mind? No, I can't find this island. Yeah. Oh yeah, maybe do you think it that it doesn't exist? Do you think that it was out there, but now they scrubbed it from Google Maps? Damn, I think I found it. Oh good. Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, I guess it's a little bit closer to Mexico than it is to San Diego. Yeah, but it's Ila Guadalupe and 40:26 that's supposedly where one of these factories are, and so that it was a famous. It was a famous diving island. People used to dive there all the time, but now you're not allowed to because it's quote unquote because of all the danger risks, but it might not be dangerous. It might just be, you know, the alien factories there, but I there is one of the highest concentration of sharks in the world. So you see sharks. 40:58 Anyways, what do you think about all that? What do you think? 41:08 I is plausible. That's great anyway. So what do you think about that? Yeah, I think that's the probably double thing I heard today. Here's the thing is we got a lot of episodes to get to. You got time to wrap this up. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think that there it's possible, but I also think these people are testifying before Congress and so I'm like. I think that these people are gen. I think that these people are sincere. I do think that people. I mean, I think that what they're finding is other 41:38 nations, military equipment or just freaking homegrown terrorists. Dude, we've got plenty of people who are making stuff all the time and just like making stuff out of like these drones and stuff that are just maybe crashing and landing and you know, maybe I think I think what's more likely in my opinion is one of two things either either it's these remember Bob Lazar when we did that episode way back in the day yeah and that it talked about when 42:07 they signed on their contract during training, they had all these documents they read and the documents were full of lies. So that way they know if your stuff got out. Which yeah, they know that because it's a different lie for every person. And if that gets out, then they know you're the leak. I think that there's potential that some of this stuff. Which would be my strategy if I got into the big brother house, by the way. Yeah, yeah, you tell a lie. Yeah, it's a great strategy. Tell a small lie to each different person and then you go, hmm, okay. Interesting. 42:35 Yeah and then you come back and you say you lie. That's what I did to my family in Thanksgiving one year. Yeah, so I sold all of that. Why is that why you didn't go to Thanksgiving for a few years? I saw you in a hot tub yesterday talking about how you don't go to the hot tub. Yeah, of course. Oh, I said about these cameras around your parents house or my parents house. They're just way worse when I was there in two thousand and fourteen. I keep track. No, so it could be that 43:04 I think it also, I think it could be genuine. is that I cannot get over now how likely it is that someone in the government And now there's a lot of other people in the government 43:30 physically witnessed any of this because that's the thing all these whistleblowers. They have reports, they have documentation of this. They're not the ones who've seen this stuff. I don't know if this stuff exists. I think that they've just seen the documents that's probably coming from people who's circular, Osama's computer. Yeah, it could be. It could be. It could be Osama's computer or it could just be circular reporting where someone said something right and then it kind of telephoned yeah and then it got in to you, the people reporting to Congress have not physically seen these things with their own eyes. They're just reporting 44:00 paperwork from their own yeah. Well, that's what they all say is like all of them. None of them have none of them are saying I've seen this. Yes, they all say I've talked to people in intelligence. I've read documentation. They none of them have been people who've had hands on this stuff, and so I think what's more likely is that there's just. I think we forget a lot that the people in government and in government intelligence are also are also people yeah, and they're also think about this. I was also thinking about this of like the 44:29 social media landscape and the way that like the all these senators and in congress people live in DC and they're in their own bubble and it's a lot like when we worked at churches and we just you know you forget there's an entire way of life outside of what you're doing yeah and and it can be very easy to be like ah you know 44:51 they're so out of touch with the with the common man and it's like yeah news pundits you live in DC and you are also out of touch with the common man. What are you talking about? Yes, yes, yes, that's why I only rely on one new source nothing yeah. So anyways, that's all I got to say about the alien thing. I think it's interesting, but I just I ever since that I have a hard and that end and the remote viewing thing 45:21 I'm like yeah, create the that was that was such garbage and they've got documents from them trying to figure that out, but it's clearly all made up and they didn't get anywhere with it, but they tried and like I have a because they try now it's got now everyone's like everyone's. Oh, they did it though. I did try it. It worked actually 45:42 anyways, I repented for that, so anyway, if you need a hit man, yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, so someone there's a very important thing. Someone found this page is an rent to hit man careers. Yeah, so there's in two thousand. Hold on, let me get this date right. God, I got too many tabs open in 46:11 two thousand twenty three recently twenty one year old Josiah Ernesto Garcia got out of the military. This is him got out of the military. Okay, was expecting a child. No, I don't like we will take selfies and they make eye contact themselves in the mirror. You know I'm saying yeah you got to look at the camera, look at the camera, look at the camera, either look at the lens or look at your screen or look at the solo cup cups behind you. Never look at the camera. 46:40 yeah, but so he he got out of the military was expecting a child and was looking for work and he's like well, what am I experienced in and he's like I'm experienced in firearms and shooting people and I've seen Barry yeah and so he goes online looking for a job. He finds rent to hit man dot com sees that careers link sends an email with a CV 47:07 and with a cover letter, my resume yeah, let me kill includes a cover letter saying what he's capable of and the cover letter was like certainly 47:22 Certainly here's a cover letter to apply for a for a hand-written job. 47:30 in a thousand words at a fifth grade reading level. 47:37 you got to know your apply. I don't know yeah and so and s gets this bob and he's like he's like oh, this is interesting and so he takes that application and he sends it to the fbi. The fbi is like this is a joke. We're not responding to this and bobs like no this is not a joke. Pretty s, this guy, very legitimate to be wants to kill people, so Bob has to go back and forth with them for a little bit. Finally they're like okay fine. We'll give him a call and they realize he's 48:06 serious, so they the FBI calls them. They act like they're with rent to hit man yeah and they say hey hi. This is Rachel with hit with rent to hit man dad go over your resume here, a phone screening sure our initial interview. Yeah, so interview he does a phone interview with the FBI thinking they're from rent to hit man dot com and then they invite them to an in person interview comes to the in person interview and then that in person interview. They say hey, I think I think we'd like to work with you. Yeah, here's an actual contract 48:36 can you go ahead and move forward that contract and so yeah he signs a contract and the contract when I when I say contract it's a hit and so like yeah, here's the hit. Here's the folder. Here's there. Here's their location. Here's their name. Here's a picture. It's all obviously fictional. They make him go kill a guy yeah they're like he just picked out for murder. He just picked someone yeah. He's like I get his cute yeah. Let's see you do it walk outside kill someone show us what a lot of nothing bun cakes anymore and so 49:06 Our next live show is at nothing bundt cakes by the way, so he takes he takes the he takes the folder yeah and he turns around and he's like he's like hey wait he's like do i need to take a picture or something and send that to you to verify or and they're like and they're like yeah like yeah that would be great and then the guy reached it the FBI is like good doing business with you reaches for a handshake when he reaches for a handshake he cuffs him and rest them. 49:31 very movie so so and you know that he practiced it. Yeah, he was like, he's like babe, now the honey come in here. Is this natural? Does this feel? Does this feel like if you were in the room and you watched this happen? Would you be like 49:47 would you like that was cool? I would you be pretty hyped about now? If you were one of the people that he's going to shoot the starbucks employee and so there's a lot of people are going to be looking at that, but if there might be two people who see this, I be a couple of people watching lots of people are going to be more focused. I got shot, you know, like why is that guy who's clearly working for the FBI not doing any about this? Everybody in the building knows that this is an FBI state like that guy, he's like 50:13 he's wearing an FBI windbreaker, but he won't let the guy see his shot. He shot looks over another person is goes. 50:23 all according to plan. Don't worry, I'm with the FBI. The guys like FBI is like I don't were a roll hit. He never fit her anyway. We've added him. We I said kill that guy. We knew exactly what you're going to believe this for. He put out a hit on three of his siblings last week. All right, so we got a lot called two birds with one stone. 50:46 we're prepared. Here's the thing everybody's complaining. We got too many people incarcerated. We're spending too much money on people. What is one or not? So we're just making people who want to be hit bands do it and then we rest for it. Okay, what's so wrong with that? Yeah, that's pretty friggin smooth. Yeah, that is got a rest. Some obviously take a present. You're under contract and also 51:12 under a rest, so so yeah, so not only has this site got people trying to get hits done off saved one hundred and fifty people and it's also changed the life of one potential hit man. 51:33 Yeah, it's great. So this thing's still out there. If you know anybody who's looking to do a hit on someone, send them to this site. This is probably the best place for him to go because ask me hey, you know where I'm gonna get it. I've been thinking about killing my boss. You know where I can do that? Oh gosh, you know honestly no 51:55 you could go with a local guide, but this national service yeah, they're one of the biggest. They got great reviews on Angie's Lohop offered it when I moved yeah, just make sure you use duck duck go yeah. We move cross country. They're like hey, by the way, so we got your furniture. We got the truck all set up. We know your arrival days over. Is it anybody you want to kill? 52:18 Hey, just quick question. I do you know, is a call and turn your internet on for you. Great. We can do that for sure and then we'll actually hire a cleaning service and well then we'll hire another cleaning service. If you know what I mean, you know what I mean. I know I don't know what you mean. Can you be a little bit more explicit? 52:37 Oh that had not made it pretty clear when you tell that your head like that. I realized oh this guy's talking about killing somebody or cop. Are you please cop? Are you police? What's your email? Not a cop at bellhop.com. I believe it. I believe it. I buy it anyways. So that's read to hit man.com. I'm going to be honest. You before we shot this, you saw that my 53:01 internet browser had rent a hit man dot com open did see that I was like. No, I just saw the Google for rent a hit man near me. That's what you Google. You Google did not. I said read the hit man, Tennessee, I try to remember the name of this kid. Got a see that's what I was like. Is our manager okay? Our manager lives in Nashville, yeah, 53:29 We know other people in Nashville, so honestly, that's the whole thing. That's why I have a manager is I don't have to Google that stuff. Yeah, she does. Hey, I need you to get yourself on a list for me, please. She's already on the list. That's what I bet it or I was like. Are you already on the list? You are less. I'm on the way. Yeah, I'm going to get you on some. I was like perfect. Yeah, that's perfect. I don't want to put anybody's life in jeopardy. I want their life to already be in jeopardy. Yeah, so I don't know. Honestly, I don't know if going to this site will put you on a list 53:56 because it is on it's a parody. It's a parody site and it's very clearly. They make it clear that this is a joke throughout the site by saying this is a joke on the site, but people don't read anything. They fall for it and then they end up getting arrested because of it, so they end up FA F O fiddle around fiddle enough. There you go. I like that. I like that 54:25 If you like this episode and you want another topic, a similar Lake City Quiet Pills is an episode we did a couple of years ago and it is about actual assassins potentially allegedly. What they did was they hid the requests in the code of the website and so we did a whole breakdown and the story of how they all came together through reddit and different websites and how they were potentially handing out assignments. So that's Lake City Quiet Pills. 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Is It a Stock or Cult? | BBBY Ep 252

12-03-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 with hands baby. This week we learn about the cult of the stonks community stonks baby. There was a if you were unfamiliar with, there was a pump and dump scheme that happened with several different stocks, including game stop AMC in twenty twenty one, but what I didn't know about was the bed bath and beyond cult. Yeah, this one's all about the beyond section and it's beyond believable. I said no jokes in the intro. Oh, that's why this is a comedy podcast. I do the joke, so they're funnier during the episode. 00:30 but we learn about a lot of whatever no, but this is a about a group on reddit that has so fully fallen into delusion about the bed bath and beyond stock that literally no longer exists, but they're still they still think they're going to get rich still in it. So it's december december third is simmer third is what today is and that means i've got a couple shows that you can't come to. I do a lot of cry private christmas parties so you know, but enjoy the time of your family. 00:59 Yeah, this this holiday, your own little private Christmas party, that's right, watch the blind day all the way or just friends or yeah, you can watch the blind date. That's free. Thanks for being here for our show. We really like this episode. Let's get into it. 01:15 Hey man. What's up? Have you ever heard of BBBY? 01:21 B B B Y. Let's see if you can guess what that stands for. B B B Y you want a hand. I can give you a hand. It's a really good hand. It started out as a super normal thing, but it turned into a cult kind of oh big brothers. 01:40 bullying you big brothers, big you sisters. What are we? What is it? B B B? Why is the ticker signal for bed bath and be on? Okay, this is this is an interesting story and it's, but we need a story of bed bath and beyond 02:10 I promise you this is an interesting story. I know it sounds like how could bed bath and beyond be interesting. Okay, but it's an interesting story to start. How many Adam Sandler click jokes are we going to make in this honestly? I wasn't planning any, but if you want me to, I can start to think about it. Okay, maybe one will come out later and think about it. So Bed Bath and Beyond started fifty years ago. You think they paid? Do you think bad? I think we're on paid 02:39 to be in the movie or do you think that Adam Sandler paid bad bath and beyond I should add to pay because it's a plot point. I was gonna say it's it's central to the plot yeah yeah it wouldn't. If it wasn't a plot point, I would think that maybe it was product placement, but because it's a plot point, I think they went and got rights to it. Okay, that's interesting. Go ahead to use the name at least sure I that or they just paid the fee, the fine right, which is what a license is. I guess 03:06 so bad bath and beyond to talk about bed bath and beyond. We need to go before this story to the invention of the bed. I'm kidding. Okay, we're going to talk about a very specific time in bed, bath and beyonds history, specific. We're very barely going to talk about bed bath and beyond, but it's what this is called before we can talk about bed bath and beyond. Now we have to talk about something that I know you're very well aware of, and that is game stop. 03:36 Oh, we're doing the pump and dump. Okay, got you, got you, got game stonks, game stonks. So everybody knows this story by now. Beam stocks. Yeah, everybody knows the story by now. If you don't in 2020 GameStop became a thing. Yeah, GameStop always was a thing. It was a failing business is falling apart because of the internet era was making the GameStop model of physical copy video games less viable. That's all they sold. They sold video games 04:03 and the reputation was going downhill. They were not. Yeah, because now you I don't remember the last time I physically bought a video game. Yeah, yeah, you don't need to. Yeah, I a lot of video game fans prefer having physical copies of the games and especially lately because a lot of those game marketplaces. Two things have been happening subscription. Yeah, well, I guess you had three things haven't happening. So one, some of them have actually been going out, so you could have bought all of these games on a specific marketplace that doesn't exist anymore, and now you don't have the game anymore. 04:33 two. There have been games where they've been taking games off marketplaces. So like a you have the game, but then the games gone and now you don't have the game anymore. Even though you paid for it, even though you bought it, yeah, you hit it's a digital copy third. Yeah, you're right. Subscription models are starting to make it to where you can't buy a game on that marketplace anymore. Well, you'll buy the game, but then you still have to keep up your monthly subscription to use the game. Yeah, so the 04:59 it's like when photoshop switch you used to buy the software of photoshop used to have her six hundred dollars and then you just had it yeah yeah and then they went to they actually made it so that those old versions don't work anymore, which is insane crazy. 05:15 I mean, to be fair, if you had the old version, like all you really could do is shop cigarettes out of Disney's hands. It wasn't very powerful. Okay, so in 2020, GameStop wasn't a very viable business. Sure. And they were struggling like just about every business in 2020 because of 2020 and being a brick and mortar store, they weren't getting a lot of business. Geez. 05:43 the amount of episodes we've got this nap flying in our faces is why I can't get it. We can't spill this mass. We cannot get this Nat to die. So there's only one of them. It's not like a lot. There's only one. We don't really one that I know you can't spell us, but I promise you we smell good. I don't promise that 06:10 That's going to be on that new tilling out of context. I know you don't smell this, but I promise we smell good. Okay, so there was this community on reddit in twenty twenty for investing. Yeah, it was the stocks community community and they all everybody would post videos about what they believed was a good stock on the reddit and they put video YouTube videos out and stuff like that and talk about the stocks that they thought were good stocks to invest in. And it was like a 06:39 just a small investing community. There's a guy by the name of roaring kitty. We've all seen him by now. He post a video had one person. We've all seen him by now. It's just he posted a video. He had one one person tuned into his stream where he made his case on why he thought GameStop was a legitimate company should be invested in. Sure he invested 07:08 a lot of money in it and he got incredibly rich off that. A lot of people followed suit also got incredibly rich off that and then more people followed suit and they were left holding the bag and got their lives ruined because of that diamond hands, diamond hands, baby diamond hands. But this created this tidal wave of retail investors, retail investors existed before this, but all of a sudden in 2020 it became a thing like everybody was trying to retail invest. 07:35 and I think there's a lot of things to blame for that. Obviously, the pandemics part of that. I think David Portnoy is a little bit to blame because he started treating those gambling well yeah, because his whole business was what's the right parlay for the sporting event? Sporting events went away and so he pivoted to investing because he's like oh, it's pretty much the same thing and so he started doing streams on investments instead of losing like tons of money yeah, but it didn't matter because he was making more money from the stream on the stream yeah and a lot of other 08:05 creators came out talking about investing. Robin Hood was positioned at the perfect point to be able to bring in the sin flex of retail investors Robin Hood referral code. By the way, some it's a lot of people who got into this investing game right and as a part of this whole thing, there's a guy by the name of Ryan Cohen. This is Ryan Cohen. He was CEO of the dog food company, Chewy 08:33 He had a very large exit of that very, very wealthy guy got into investing after that, like so many people do after they exit their successful business. Yeah, investing is when you just do, you don't want to do anything real investing is when you have a bunch of money and you're just like, I be fun to just do. Yeah, fun to have more. 08:55 What investing really is is you get a lot of money and you realize that if you put your money to work, you don't have to put your money to taxes. That's what it really is. So I don't like the system that we live in, so he that's not actually the part of the system. I don't like I'm fine with investing. I'm fine with the capitalists moving your money that way. I think that works. That makes sense. Okay, 09:25 it's people taking advantage of the tax code that I don't like yeah, so he Ryan Cohen invests in Game Stop, just based on this video, not just based on the video. Well, I don't know. Maybe it was based on this video. He was interested in it. He was a picture of him standing outside a game stop. I expected you to look at that and laugh at it. I guess I don't know, but yeah. He took this picture and he was like he's like I'm all in and so he tweets that he gets he invests in it. I don't like that that guy's rich 09:57 that is kind of one of the things that, like I, I don't like what rich people look like that. Like I have thought I was I actually it's interesting you say this because I was thinking this the other day. There are just like rich people among us sometimes and like you see them out in public and they look normal. They they like dress like a poor, but they're not and it's like you never know who they are. It's kind of like the lizard people thing like 10:25 I never know what's under that skin they're just they're just among us. So Cohen invests in Game Stop very outspokenly gets in on it. He does get in on it pretty early. I think he doubles or triples his money on Game Stop talks about it publicly and a lot of people. He has a ton of Twitter followers. So all these people fall suit start getting in on Game Stop Game Stop because of him. 10:55 As we know, as the GameStop story went, a lot of people lost everything trying to invest in GameStop because they were too late. The whole reason this worked is if you were early and you were part of the hype wave and you get out at the tip of the hype wave, hype wave then you win a lot of money. But if you're not, it sucks. You spent way too much money on something that doesn't matter. Cohen believed in it so much that he actually came in as the CEO of GameStop to try to turn it right this ship. 11:22 and so he invests it. He invests in comes in as the CEO sure, but his decision making wasn't great. His experience wasn't the same. He was working in dog food, dog food, like shipping dog food from like a tech startup for dog food, and now he's working in a brick and mortar traditional retail right, and so gamestop gets this is a what of cash. What if when they come in to the stores? 11:51 we have little jars of treats. What if what if when they come in they buy a game and we give them a little pup cup of like game boy games for what if puppies? This is something that Chewie does. What if when they cancel their subscription and the reason they give is that my pet died, we send them a coupon 12:17 for fifty percent off and next no, they send you, they send you a little letter. They send you a it's a handwritten note. That's actually nice yeah, says and it's got your pet's name on there and it's a we're sorry about your cat and then they give a coupon for when you get a new cat. Yeah for the next round of cat. Yeah 12:43 I kind of like it, but they don't update their email marketing. There was more to it is that we send a handwritten letter that apologizes for the death of your animal and then we continue to send you emails about it's time to get Lenny vaccinated. We know your furry friend loves our ladies Lenny's expiration date is passed and you're like 13:13 Yeah, his vaccines are expired anyway. Yeah, yeah, that's that's an oversight. Yeah, they should remove us in the email. Yeah, yeah, that is an oversight. Actually, they called us to they called us and they were like, hey, ready to place another order for that medication. They called you. Yeah, they do like a phone call. They go. 13:32 that's like a sweet water. I can't do sweet water whole crap. My Alex feels this pain. Do you buy one thing from sweet water? The sweet water is a place where you can buy like music equipment, you know, audio gear, all that kind of stuff. You buy one thing from them and they will send you 13:50 pictures of their kids graduating from prom dude. Yeah, they will never lose cut fully send you those send you a catalog every now and they'll say and there's emails almost every day. They'll send you stickers all the time. Yeah, what's crazy means they literally call you like I hate it when e commerce sites call my god. Yeah, you can literally burn every bridge between you and the there are the theranos. So we water headquarters 14:15 and they will still get to their like they're like that person that you get coffee with that one time because you feel bad. You ever really hung out with them all that much. You get coffee one time and then they send you memes every day. 14:27 because I hey buddy, we're not best friend. They keep inviting you to hang out and it's like this is actually why we only hung out once every quarter because you're kind of freaking weird. They call you to tell you about this thing that they saw the store today. Like hey, I saw this XLR cable just thought about you because you bought two of them like three months ago. Just wondering how those are doing. Are those still yeah? Actually I got fire one of them died 14:57 sorry we'll take you up the email sorry about your xlr cable. 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If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 16:00 So Cohen, invest, not a good CEO, they've got this influx of cash and so he can use this influx of cash to help turn the business around and help modernize its model sure, and this is what everyone expects him to do, but he doesn't. He doesn't do any of that. What about what if we did hot dog and free to make it worse and does just this horrible job managing this company? Here's what I last very long. 16:25 they would get better at as like at Christmas time when people are buying up all the consoles. You know there's got to be a way to stop that it. That's the most when people like as soon as the Xbox, you know, oh that they like buy a whole bunch of a new series yeah and they got to listen on face a place for you for three times the price on Amazon puts a limit on how many you can buy yeah and I'm thinking like I got really mad when I had to buy eight for Christmas at Summit Park. Yeah 16:55 but walmart, long as the church was on. It's okay. I've been gone. It was a summit part. My NDA is expired. Oh yeah man, they have twenty thousand people now so gonna so the stuff that I never had an NDA with them. I knew that I I was before they tried to book me for an event. We sent back the rates and they offered literally 17:23 three percent of the rate. Okay, so so here's what I usually make yeah, but we're friends. We got coffee one time memes. 17:39 So Cohen gets ousted by the board. So here's the thing, what everybody expected him to do and start catching up with the times. to try to get them to bring more people in, And I think he also just didn't understand 18:05 traditional retail, so he was trying to do things that you would do for like an online retail store and it just didn't translate. Well, game stop could be is really getting into the e sports kind of stuff. Yeah, facilitating those things and basically should be your local gaming club. Yeah, I think that would be and yeah and like you could you could set up like subscription based things where people are like members of this club and you know 18:34 they did just get into retro gaming because they for a long time they would only do like the current console and the console before right generation before, but now they got into retro and so now that's a little bit more viable because you can't really find retro games. Most places are more. I mean like I mean like arcades really do work yeah. They're sweet yeah and so yeah having a place you can go play, but yeah he started trying to do nfts with them so 19:01 brick and you could buy NFTs out of brick and mortar. Yeah, I think, but he had like a reddit rotten brain. Yeah, yeah, a hundred sent it he a hundred for sure and so because he gets in there and his brain is so rotten from reddit threads that he people really. I mean how much money was lost on NFTs? I've never I haven't heard people mention it. I have tea since twenty one millions yeah millions, but he was the whatever. Oh, it was a grift. It was a hundred percent of grift yeah for sure. 19:28 there's a bunch of people who knew they could make a million dollars off of it and they paid influencers and celebrities to act like they were a part like a fan of it, yeah, because they knew a bunch of other people would be done, but Cohen is known for his Twitter account and so he's constantly this game stop do like trading cards. They might now they didn't back in the day. They might now I don't know when they started to try to think of where you would do. Where do you do like you go trading cards, Pokemon cards was like board game shops or 19:57 card shops, but see game stop should be in that yeah. They should. They sell like collectibles. They've always sold collectible stuff anyways, so he's big on he's big on Twitter. This is what I'm saying to why are we letting dumb people? Why are we letting? Why can't there's no reason we you know? Here's the deal. Here's the deal you get. I've said get into a CEO role 20:18 and by the end of day one you're like oh, this is what a job is like bro. I really feels like a job yesterday. We did a trade show where we were there from like eight thirty to four thirty five o'clock like a regular nine to five as the worst day of my life. I was in there. I was like wait people do this every day. You just five times a week to be fair. That was a trade show, so it's a little different yeah beat all day. I'm talking to a lot of people like small talking a lot, but 20:48 Yeah, but I'm saying like I used to. I remember like it was a it wasn't against the rules. I it was kind of it was against the rules. We couldn't sit down at subway like we were on our feet the whole shift yeah. I used to work like seven hour shifts and be fine yeah and I just leave yeah and I did that yesterday and I was like this is the worst day of my life. I just want to go have lunch and then and then what are you shaking your head? I'm not saying anything 21:19 all I'm saying is that I just don't think I could do a normal job. I work harder what I do, but I like that I get to work really intensely for like three hours and then take a quick break and then work really intensely for another couple hours, but I also this is another thing. I don't ever get to like go home like and just quit working because I'm working at a P M. You know I'll do another two hours of work at night. Yeah, your job isn't your job doesn't really have a set schedule right now. 21:48 I was going to be on a plane for a long time and that was a different kind of suck. Yeah anyway, I'm not. I'm just trying to be like. I'm very grateful for my life. I know that I have a privilege, but there's elements of it that are fun. Okay, so he's got he's got a big Twitter following and this Twitter fall, his Twitter followers like follow what he says on Twitter. So here's an example of one of his tweets. He decided between two options for my G M E shares hold or hold hot. 22:18 hodl, which h o d l, which is diamond hand yeah that's reddit brain speak. Yes and hodl hodl is an acronym. I don't think it is. Yes, it is. It's an acronym. It says hold on for dear life, okay, which I didn't know that when I found this tweet. I was like hold or a hold spelled wrong. I thought it was hold held spelled wrong just because they're like we're dumb. We're dumb. This is so dumb to do this yeah, which is also valid. 22:48 So this is the kind of stuff he tweets. He also though, so he'll tweet like investing tweets and people will care a lot about that, but he also tweets stuff like this. You e lambs. If I have a small we yeah, so it says, oh lambs, I ever I if backwards, it's yeah 23:12 this is the kind of stuff he tweets, so he's just a nine year old Twitter, yeah, and they were like when we were backwards. What if like you look at this tweet to the rear view mirror? What have you like right in it into a calculator and hold it upside down and put it on? Oh yeah, my wife's a fifth grade teacher and she says that like the across the room. She'll see the kids putting their there. She made a mistake. This is a rookie mistake on her part. She says is that she saw one of the kids flip us calculator upside down yeah 23:39 and she was. Do you want to share that with the class and he's like yeah a hundred percent? Look what it says no, no, no, no, never mind. Stop you don't have to share that the class. Yeah, so just childish dumb stuff yeah, so this whole thing happens. Yeah, it explodes. Some people got super rich off of it. Some people didn't a lot of hate that. I fully read it. I didn't even like I read that thing backwards earnestly and I know when I have a small we 24:09 so this whole thing happens. He's also the CEO and he's rich. I hate that. Yeah, you know what? Most of it is should people be always just jealous. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 24:35 extremely annoyed that people like that are in people are in positions of power where it's just like dude, whatever, whatever it gets me. It gives me worked up yeah, so this whole thing. A lot of people got caught, held holding the bag and but there was a lot of people too who didn't invest in game stop. They got they didn't get caught, but they were just they were like oh, I missed the wave yeah, and so then after that there was kind of this like 25:02 these follow-up waves of different businesses AMC was one that was really quick. I didn't know that happened. was in financial trouble a few years ago, 25:27 starting in twenty, twenty good reason though, get so many of these stores. When you went inside, you're like this is sad. Well, well in bed, but Beth and beyond was an interesting case because in they were expanding bed. I think the gun was kind of like the story of a lot of big box retail stores where they kind of they drink their own kool aid like bed, Beth and beyond. I think believed they were the biggest in the space and so they took on a lot of debt to 25:56 open up more stores, stock the shelves on those stores, but they overextended themselves and then all of a sudden they did not recognize that. Oh, we're going into all these new markets where we're not the leader in that market. We're stop. We're opening a new store, stocking the shelves and we're getting beaten out by competitors in that market. It's the same thing that happened to Circuit City. Circuit City thought they were the biggest one in every market. They expanded. They overexpanded stock the shelves, went to the markets where best buy was the best 26:24 and then they couldn't smooth their stock and it ended up putting them in financial ruin. So I think Bed, Bath and Be-Alm was in a similar situation, but they also were in the issue of they were in the internet era and they didn't become an internet era company. Right. So I think there was a handful of things. And then the pandemic, I think they had- It's very interesting to me how Target and Walmart have navigated that. Well, they have the online source. They diversified into online. But I think they also like- 26:53 I think I think Target and Walmart had. I think Target and Wal-Mart have different strategies, but I'm saying like the fact that I know what Targets threshold brand is yeah, you know for their home products is like it's interesting to me. Yeah, that is interesting. I was they branded it off the experience target is like it's a good experience. You get your starbucks, you go around the sort, you find the nice stuffed Walmart, you get in fights with children yeah. 27:22 Walmart was like Wal was really focused on trying to get the deal, but you can get everything there yeah. You know I think though I think more than anything. I think Target and Wal-Mart just they had a strong strong foundation for sure, and I think that they had a much, much longer runway yeah than any of these and they don't carry as much inventory yeah as bad. I think beyond was trying to better the arm literally extended to the ceilings with their stuff. That was like their whole thing. It's true yeah 27:52 and the casualty in all of this is the wedding registry business, the fun, the fun of going to all the different stores and doing the we literally went to target and then we did and they gave us a little basically a phone that we just scan stuff with. It was fun. We had a great time yeah, but it's like I didn't think about I be a run around bed bath and beyond and doing the whole that you know it was kind of a man. Yeah, we did it at target. We did a bath and beyond if you are engaged and you're doing the red the wedding registry thing. 28:21 go to the physical store and like go pick out the stuff and then go home and pick out some other things on the internet. Don't just sit on your couch and do the whole registry online. That's not your that's not fun. Yeah, it is more fun than that beyond that. You just let people do what they want to do. Shut up, shut up, shut up, go, go, experience part of a cultural understanding of what it means to be engaged in preparing for a wedding. 28:46 here's the thing you should want to do the things I want to do you joy being outside. Now I the bed bath and beyond did it better. They made it an experience. They had a special room you went into and they threw a big old deal. That was a thing when you were yeah. Mary, you did the drinks like I'm saying they gave you like champagne and then they gave you the gun and you went around like it was. It was an ordeal. It was pretty. We showed the targets do ours and they were like oh you weren't yeah yeah. 29:14 I had this thing they pulled open and they were like this one's not charged. Oh here you go. There's only one of them charged out okay, so I actually take a legal pad yeah. Why don't you just write down this stuff? Congrats though yeah we're happy for you. I guess we're like okay yeah it was fun yeah. Do you do you like each other? Is this like a like a marriage or like a marriage? You know yeah so yeah bed, Beth and beyond. I think 29:43 they, but also I realized that target doesn't ask for proof that the wedding exists or anything. So like you could sign up for the registry and then once the wedding date passes, then you get like fifty percent off on most of that stuff. Yeah, I don't think that bath did either. Yeah, I think you could just yeah, it is a one time code though. Just so you know, it is not you can't use it multiple times. You get a one time 30:13 pretty big discount on all that stuff. Yeah, just so you know, yeah, so the clutch thing to do is if you get cash from a bunch of people, schedule a time to go and just buy the left over the stuff. Yeah right anyways, but what we did with the cash from our wedding was invested in G. So that method beyond was 30:41 yes, the problem was a lot of different things that put them in a tough position and then Ryan Cohen started tweeting about them. It was like what if I became the CEO of Bed Bath and Beyond? Yeah, he was basically like I'm really interested in this and so he invests in it. He invests millions in it. Okay, starts tweeting about how much he thinks they're a great company. He calls them. He realizes this is going to just come to a point where he's legally held accountable for this because 31:10 he's realizing that he has influence and can get people to he's influencing pumping dobs will get there. He calls them okay, and he's like a bath and beyond yeah. He calls him. He records his call. He's like he's like hey, I've got a lot of ideas of how you guys could turn this company around and they were like this is the one on Prairie V road in Kansas City. I can connect you to my district manager. I guess they were like honestly, sir, I scan the orders at the checkout. I don't think I can do like this. They're like, but I got time to chat. No one's here yeah, 31:39 I have been wanting to talk to somebody for a while. Oh, the sound of a human voice. Are you the guy who right wrote me that card with my pet died? He talking and so he starts posting all this stuff about it. He invests millions of dollars into into bed bath and beyond okay, and so then this community sees it and they're like oh, this is his next thing. This is our next is big break. That's a bad and okay. 32:07 Yeah, so they all start to invest in it right and then this community starts on reddit call the way the shares work. If there's ten shares there's not, but if there's ten and you buy three of them and then you get other people to buy, you know, for like one to then you get six other people to buy one share each yeah now. You know you're getting more and more people interested. You can sell your three shares for way more than you bought them for 32:32 Yes, and then when the share value plummets, you've already sold out. You've made your money. Someone else bought your you bought your three shares for a dollar each. Someone else bought them for ten dollars each, so you made twenty seven dollars on that sale. Yes, you had to keep it twenty seven dollars. They're now thirty dollars in and then because each shares were ten dollars, but then when it goes down to being worth two dollars, yes, then they are stuck with a hefty loss. Yes, yeah and 33:01 you don't feel bad about that somehow you're rolling in your twenty seven dollars. You feel fine. I mean I think I think it's. I think you don't understand you. You either don't understand this is all thing you don't understand. He understands he knows what he's doing by the time he gets to bed bath and beyond 33:22 he understands yeah. I can see him fully going in on Game Stop and just being like Game Stonk gonna go gonna raise Game Stop. There's actually a good business. I'm fully bought into the fact that this could survive. You know, obviously it won't. You're like I can you know whatever I can see that, but then you see the AMC thing happen and you're like huh and then you go to bed, bath and beyond. Yeah, you know what you're doing at this point. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, most likely and so a community is formed around this on reddit called BBB Y, which 33:51 is the ticker symbol for bit bath and beyond and this whole group of people starts congregating on this reddit forum. There's a red it for every ticker by the way yeah yeah and on this sub reddit everybody is congregating here talking about bed bath and beyond and they're doing what in the stonks community and I need to be clear that this is there's a strong difference between the investing community and the stonks community. They are doing what they call due diligence, which due diligence is an actual term in 34:21 You go look at a company's balance sheet. and you do your research on the people in charge and do due diligence. In the Stonks community, due diligence is conspiracy theories. I mean, this is why I think it's going to go to the moon. 34:51 and then a few interesting figures start to pop up in this world. What of my favorite is a guy that goes by the name of P P seeds and he runs a show called the P P show, and so this is him doing a live stream debating with another guy by the name of Moran's and so Moran's disagrees. Which one is which guess top guy is P P seeds. 35:21 bottom guy is Moran's now you got that I got the backwards yeah bottom guys, PPC top guys, Marance, okay, Moran's doesn't buy into the here's the thing about PPC. Is that one out of context to yeah, here's the thing about PPC. Is my wife teachers at a private school yeah, there's a lot of rich parents at the school, and so she gets on parent teacher conferences. Go back to this graphic if you can yeah. You see 35:49 the blinds that people. Those are the same blinds we have in our house. My wife will set the laptop up facing the blinds and she's on a call and I'll go down. I'll recognize the voice. I'm like oh, that's a famous person. Move the computer, don't let them don't let them see our blinds. Rich people don't have those rich people have blinds. I haven't seen a blind in decades 36:15 Yeah, because Moran's has a whole set up. I guess I thought that the top one was that because PPC has a channel. I'd assume yeah, they both have channels. They both have gaming chairs. That's how you know that none of their opinions should be taken seriously. If you're seeing a video, someone's sitting at a gaming chair, they're trying to give you political ideas or financial advice. You should skip past that. That's a gaming chair. Skip past the video. Your life will be ruined by someone in a gaming chair. 36:46 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. So if you want to keep learning stuff, that's happening in the Tillon verse. 37:13 I like 37:38 that's actually that's a pretty big red flag. So my wife's a twitch streamer and she refuses to get a gaming chair. I said do you want us by and she goes? No, I do not want to be one of those people, whatever that means. So Moran's the guy at the top gaming chair at the top. He does not buy into any of the BBY stuff. He actually thinks it's really dumb, and so he does a whole channel. He does a game stop stuff. He did. He was a game stop guy and he did 38:08 He did cash out, he did cash out, he did well on GameStop, but he thinks BBB Y is stupid, and so he's constantly does content saying how does PP seeds think he sees PPCS analysis on the financial situation of the bed bath and beyond stock market position loves bed bath and of course PPC and so this this this thumbnail is actually from a debate that they did on a live stream between the two of them. PPC does the PP show 38:37 and here's a here's a screen grab from an episode of the P P show. He brings these guests on. Oh my God, white or marker board that it says the P P show. Is that him? No, that's not him. That's another guest. Those are two other random guests that he had on the P P show will talk about bed bath and beyond, but primarily what they will do is they will 38:58 dissect Ryan Cohen's tweets to try to figure out his hidden message that he has for them about what's going on. What is that you went on for Ryan Cohen? Yeah exactly, and so he's like here's what he means and here's what this has to do with bed beyond and why we should take the position we're taking and why we should invest more in bed bath and beyond or whatever bed bath and beyond is real money. Yes, and so bad bath and beyond is falling apart. PPC is blowing up 39:25 Every day there's worse and worse news about Bed Bath & Beyond. And Cohen pulls his money from Bed Bath & Beyond. The PPC's community loses their mind. They're like, oh, he's pulled all his money. What should we do? And they look at all of his tweets. They look at the action of him pulling his money. He wants us to buy more. That's pretty much exactly what they conclude. They say he's trying to tell us to hold. He's doing this to tell us, hey, I'm doing something really big. 39:55 this is the message I'm trying to show you, but if no one will buy your shares, you know at a certain point there's no that's what the whole thing is. Is you can't sell them because no one will buy them yeah, yeah, so what I should say if you're able to sell that share, that means somebody bought it for that price yeah in at the height of bed bath and beyond and like the early twenty two thousands or something like that twenty tens. I don't know what the height was for them, but I do know that they peaked at seventy seven dollars a share 40:23 in twenty twenty when this community started to form, they were at three dollars a share, so a lot of people started buying into this and a lot of people were investing large sums of money, their life savings. A lot of people were taking out loans to invest in this because they were like. Oh, it'll be worth it. I'll be able to pay it off so dumb because they believed that Cohen was sending them messages to invest in through his Twitter is there is cryptic Twitter posts, which again 40:52 was immature sentences backwards. Yes, yes and then he Cohen they somebody discovers that Cohen had registered for a trademark after selling all of his shares in bed bath and beyond and he trademarked the word Teddy and so then the theory became. Oh, he is taking that money out to then go by 41:18 bed, bath and beyond and take him over and rebrand it as Teddy and then it's going to be the new bed bath and beyond is going to be Teddy. What Teddy ended up being a few months later was he was working on a children's book and he published this children's book called Teddy. Words can never hurt you and he starts putting out a series of these children's books. Imagine dumping your life savings 41:44 Okay, okay, okay worse, so they start reading his children's book on stream for messages, he shows and they start yeah, dice, de, dissecting it and they're looking at it and there's literally a and at a certain point. Does Ryan knows is happening 42:00 he's never acknowledged if I found out that there was some weird group on reddit dissecting our podcast in this way. That was like here's the secret messages. Here's what they actually mean. Here's what they want us to do. I would put a stop to that yeah yeah you'd be like hey guys, I really guys. I really don't mean anything and they're like and that's what he see. I told you he would say this. I told you he was going to say this 42:27 He's two steps ahead of him. And so on stream they're looking at this and there's literally a three hour stream where they're analyzing the colors of the viewers. So I don't know where it was at the height, but I can say now PPC has 19,000 subscribers and so it's a fairly large community of people that are involved in this and the reddit for this community. 42:56 gosh, I wish I knew how to use, has 70,000 members. So it's a large group. That's what I'm saying. I mean, he's doing a three hour live stream. I want to know how many people are tuned in. Yeah. And so they're going through and they're looking at the color of the socks on every page of his children's book and saying, okay, because of, and then they're listing them all out and they're doing an analysis of the colors and they're saying, okay, based on these colors, we can draw conclusions about what's going to happen next with Bed Bath and Beyond. 43:31 So the situation at bed, free on is happening to me. So lots of these Teddy books start coming out. More and more Teddy books are coming out and they're reading every single one. They're analyzing every single tweet he puts out. There's a handful of other people in the community that are saying stuff about Bed, Beth and Beyond that have a little bit of influence, but not really anyone like Cohen. Cohen has become honestly God to these people. Everything he says has a hidden meaning. Right. Everything he says is law and they're going to follow him to the ends of the earth. 44:01 And so in a weird way, they are like worshiping Cohen. And meanwhile, the situation at Bed Bath & Beyond is getting worse and worse. The financial situation, they're closing stores left and right. Every month it's, we're closing 50 more stores. We're closing 70 more stores. And then it culminates in a moment where their CFO, they announce the company announces that they're in a really bad situation. Their CFO, 44:31 they basically say hey, we're, we're coming out with an intent to declare bankruptcy. We haven't declared it yet, but we're beginning the process to file for it and then later that night the CFO jumps from his window and takes his own life and so the situation for bad bath and beyond yeah yeah and so the situation is spiraling for bed bath and beyond right like completely falling apart. This community, there's a member in this community 45:00 I think his name was his name is Kinsta. He was known for being really sucky. To find the right way to say that he would dox people constantly that disagree with them. This guy Marantz, he found his address and he posted a picture online of his wife and said I'm home alone. Come visit me with the address. This is the kind of stuff that this can stack. I was doing this kids. The guy shows up at the apartment. 45:30 of the CFO of Bed, Bath and Beyond try and he's like, he's like, hey, I'm trying to visit him. I know he didn't actually die. And the doorman, this is New York, the doorman is like, he doesn't live here anymore. And the guy's like, I know, I know he didn't, I know he didn't kill himself. I know he's still here. I know they're hiding him. And the guy's like, bro, you need to get off the internet. That's how the doorman responds to him. He's like, the guy doesn't live here anymore. He doesn't live anywhere anymore. He's like, you need to go. And so this guy, this community is like, 46:00 The picture I'm trying to pay is a very toxic community that's starting to form, that's not believing anything anyone's saying. And the situation at Bed, About, The Beyond is getting worse and worse and worse. They're declaring bankruptcy. It looks like it's going to fall apart. So what the PPCs stream is now starting to advertise is that, okay, hey, what's going to happen is it's going to go bankrupt. We're going to get your assets. We're going to all have the shares and our shares are going to turn into Teddy shares and we're going to find out, oh, hey, we do own this company that Cohen. 46:29 we're in at the ground level at Cohen's company. That's what's going to happen. And so they all believe because they don't understand what happens when a company goes out of business that, oh, hey, the shares are still going to be in my account. And so in April of 2023, Bed Bath & Beyond officially declares bankruptcy and they go through all the paperwork throughout the summer. In September, it finally goes through on all the stock market exchanges. 46:57 And those shares just disappear from everyone's account because that's what happens when you own a company that doesn't exist anymore. And everybody freaks out. They're like, Oh, my shares are gone. I didn't know my shares were going to go away. What happened to all my shares? These people had their life savings, loan money invested in it and it just disappeared. And PPC seeds continues on a stream and the Reddit, the whole Reddit community continues. 47:25 to look at tweets from Cohen to look at this Teddy book and try to rationalize how this is going to turn around and they end up doing it. They end up putting together this whole theory that oh what's going to happen is Teddy's going to launch and we're just going to have these shares and our account when it launches and like they still to this day believe. I don't know if you can see I'm physically stressed right now that this somehow is all going to come together for them. What is perhaps the wildest part of this story? 47:54 Well, I don't know if I would say the wildest start, the dirtiest part of this story, the grossest part of this story. Obviously it does seem like Cohen pump and dumped this stock, right? So he made these tweets, he went in and he got in and out and he doubled his money on Beth Bed Bath and Beyond. Right. He, I think he invested thirty five million. He came out with sixty and so he made a lot of money off of it, but PPC, and a handful of other 48:23 creators in this space that are doing are not going to be held accountable for that. Well, they all operate twist streams and they do the donations and they all have patreons and so they're all having people support them. So not only are these people investing their money in a stock that's worthless, but they're also investing their money to be on a patreon and to gift twitch streamers in their time yeah to get to give information about stuff that's useless and so I did see a reddit still to this day he's going 48:53 still to this day. There's a reddit community called GME meltdown and it's just a bunch of people, especially making fun of everyone who got into all this stuff. Yeah, and there's a post that I found that is pretty accurate. And so this guy says, okay, some quick math here. PPC show has 40. This was seven months ago. He said PPC seed show has 41 episodes and then there's a comment that says, hey, 41 episodes is just as public. He constantly deletes episodes when there's information that contradicts what's in them. 49:23 And so 41 is just what's currently public. And so he says there's hundreds more that are have since been deleted. There are an average three hours per episode. There's one hundred twenty three total hours. Typically there's four adults on the episode. So that's four hundred ninety two human hours. He says the average cost to mobile on in the U.S. is 30. The average time on long is 30 minutes. 49:47 and he says it nine hundred and eighty four lawns could have been mowed at an average of a hundred dollars each. He said they could have made ninety eight thousand dollars just mowing lawns. He said double it for show prep. That's a hundred ninety six thousand dollars. He said they have a hundred ninety six thousand dollar opportunity on their hands. If they were just mow lawns instead of doing this garbage, which is a whole areas to be, but I want that person to do the math on our show. 50:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah, how much somebody honestly Daniel Daniel will do it Daniel. We just mode yards instead of doing this for seven years, so but here's the thing P P probably is making a lot more money. 50:29 people is probably making a lot more money off of patreon and off of stream gifts and off of they do like these telethons where this is. You think that he's actually got money in this though and he's lost it to or you think he's just I kind of think he doesn't have a dollar where I joke about like if I became a grifter who like did this stuff, but then I just have a conscience. Yeah, I honestly I don't know if he has a dollar. It's either he's just as delusional ever as everyone else or he doesn't have a dollar in and he's just 50:58 But he does this. This is this screenshot is actually from like one of these telephon telephon type events where they're saying like, hey, one more hour that guy on the right in this. His name is actually Bill Pulte. He's another name in this community. This is Bill Pulte. Both of these guys are Bill Pulte. That's Bill Pulte Jr. and senior senior started a real estate company. 51:27 That's incredibly successful. They are the legacy that Bill Poulty Jr. is coming into is a eight or nine figure legacy. It's a very, very wealthy situation. Bill has gotten into philanthropy now that he's an adult, has gotten into some politics stuff, and into grifting on the internet. And he came on this stream, and the stream was a donation stream. You're donating to PPC, it's to keep the show running. 51:54 and the donation, the price of the donation was getting to meet Bill Poulty. Oh wow. So, oh shoot. So what he was saying was nothing. I want more and so it was a very I get to meet Bill Poulty. It was a very oh junior. I hate that guy. 52:14 It was a very cringey stream because he was like, he's like, just $50. He's like, if you do it in the next 10 minutes, you get to meet me. All you got to do is $50 the next 10 minutes, like that type of thing over and over again. And he said, you know what, you know what, you know what, the 15 minutes is up. He's like, I'm going to give you 20 more minutes, but you got to do $500. $500 the next 20 minutes, you can meet me. And like they raised, I think it was like seven or $8,000 on that stream alone, just from doing this thing. And then after that, Bill became a mainstay on the show and became one of the people that was like in this conspiracy circle. 52:44 And this all culminated for an event shortly after all their stocks went away. When the stock disappeared, they had a special live stream where they're making a special announcement. PPC was going to make a special announcement. They said, Hey, new information has come to light. We're making a special announcement, special stream tune in live. Don't miss this. Advertise it. Big event. The stream starts and it's like outdoors. It's a different setting than normal and it's just a shot outdoors. There's like a live audience. 53:14 But the live audience isn't mic'd. That is important. But there's like a live audience there. And the stream's like from the live audience. And then all of a sudden, this helicopter flies in and lands in the field. And Bill and PP, and one of the other guys that comes on the show a lot, get out of this helicopter and greets this crowd. And they do the live stream from the side of this helicopter on like this airfield. And. 53:44 they do like almost like this political vibe type press conference being like here's what's happened. We I know we all just lost all of our stocks. The next hill in live episode show open a just land the helicopter there. That is crazy. They land the hell that is insane to bring people who have lost their entire life savings yeah and then to well that's a good evening. Welcome 54:14 welcome. I think that's that's. This is the thing that kind of like cements in my mind that this is a grift for them because here's the thing what they're selling. They're selling hope that they're going to be rich one day that everyone's going to be rich one day. It's a say it's a prosperity. They're capitalizing on yeah and so what they need to do is they need to look rich. It's like you'll be like me and so like this is just part of the grift. You can't do a whole thing where we're all going to be rich one day. You got to do a thing where you could be rich like me yeah 54:39 Yeah, exactly. And so they land and they say, hey, look, we know what happened. This is a terrible, this seems terrible. But trust in Teddy. Yeah, here's how we know, here's what's going to happen. And then at the end of this whole event, they did this big old thing about how Teddy's still going to happen. Cohen's on our side. Here's how we know it. Everything's okay. Don't freak out. Donate more to PPseeds. Also, Bill Pulte has something he wants to say. Bill takes the podium and Bill says, guys, 55:06 I'm very excited to announce this. His dad passed away years ago. He said, I'm very excited to announce this. He said, my dad's company has been a privately owned company for decades. And he said, but I want to open this up to investors one night only to investors to come invest in my father's company. He says, so tonight only I'm selling shares for Pulte Realty. You can get in on the ground floor, get in today, make your investment. I think he priced it at like $500 a share. 55:33 You can come in, buy your shares in Pulte Realty. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Only the people who are here tonight and are watching with the stream live have this opportunity to get in and invest today and be a part of what's happening here. And just got a bunch of people to invest in this real estate company that he inherited that since he's inherited is not doing well because he doesn't really know what he's doing in the real estate world. 55:58 very, very, very sketchy and a bunch of people do it. A bunch of people are like oh yeah. I just lost everything listening to these people. Let me give you five. Let me give you a bunch of money so that way I can be invested in on the ground floor on your real estate company okay ground floor of your already established and decade old yeah falling apart, actually falling apart real estate company since you took it over. So 56:24 This community is still active and this community still is dissecting Cohen's tweets stresses me out so much. Yeah, these people are so dumb. Yeah. Still reading the news and trying to figure out how it's good for them and how things are going to work out for them. A lot of these people I watched like a mini YouTube documentary about it and the people that were interviewed. Most of them asked for their face to be blurred out because they didn't want to be on the internet, but a lot of them were like, yeah, like I took out loans. I quit my job. 56:53 there are people. There was a one guy who said yeah, I actually got laid off, but he's like I'm so confident that this is going to come around like I'm just not going. I'm not looking for a new job and he's like so I'm just just been pretending to go to work every day. Like I'm just my wife thinks I'm going to work. I'm not and he's like I just I know this is going to work out that I'm expecting at a minimum already living in your unrealized games like yeah, just like yeah. I mean I mean he said he said he said I'm confident that I think I stand to make at least three million off of this and he said so I don't need to work another day in my life. 57:22 And it's just like these people are so like the cognitive they're not. in April of 2023 and August of 2023, someone bought the trademark to Bed Bath and Beyond. Overstock.com. 57:53 right, so bad, bad, the bad dot com still exists and still runs. It's just overstock and overstock said yeah, bed bath and beyond has a stronger brand than we do, and so they just rebranded the bed bath and beyond when they realized they could and now that still exists, but about thing I mean on technically which is crazy and that's got me wondering. Can we do that? Are there any businesses that we can just go 58:21 get. Thank you for listening to the Circuit City Pod, like honestly, I don't think we should be the C C P. 58:36 Yeah, I don't know how many blockbuster. 58:42 toys are us, toys are us is back. 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The stock market is often seen as a place of strategy, risk, and opportunity. But sometimes, it becomes a playground for wild speculation and emotional investments. One such example is the rollercoaster journey of Bed Bath & Beyond. What started as a struggling retail chain became a battleground for online communities betting on its survival. This is the story of … Read More

How Elizabeth Holmes Fooled the World | Theranos Ep 251

11-26-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 how far was Elizabeth Holmes willing to carry an idea that could become a reality and she has people investing in it before she's willing to admit to herself and her investors that is just not possible. Allegedly pretty stink and far yeah. This week we learned about Theranos, which is a company that I believe earnestly like wanted to accomplish what they set out to do. They brought at least at one point yeah. They brought a lot of investors, but then they started faking some results. 00:26 and the the fraud spiraled and we learned about the downfall of Elizabeth homes and Theranos is a company. So it's wonderful, great thanksgiving top, so to jump into yeah a good thing for the family table. What do you think for for I'm thankful for the downfall of there? I know this is things are the last night comedy podcast where every week we learn about something new. So we're going to laugh a lot along the way and also give you the information about what you came here to learn about. So you know it's gonna be a good time 00:55 this week is thanks kidding. I don't have any shows. So December's off December's pretty full, but they're all Christmas parties, so don't come to those you're not allowed well for real like they're all there's like two to public shows. One of them is like in Florida and the other ones somewhere else. Speaking of private shows, you can join our Pachy. I hate that segue, but they do get private content that's not publicly accessible. 01:23 you can join our patreon. You can get next week's episode right now, yeah, and then you can also join our discord and you can get a bunch of bonus content and we do a monthly live hang out where we just jump on a video call and get to talk and hang out. It's really good time, so it's fun without further ado. Welcome to the episode. 01:45 Hey man, hey, I love Disney. I would never in my life cross them. Nice card, 02:00 their programming was far and superior to anything the Nickelodeon did. They certainly did not orchestrate Dan Schneider's fall. There are no documentaries about Disney producers now coincidence question mark and they're all dead. Anyway, I just want to make sure they know I like them that you're committed. Yeah, I need them to know that I'm not going to 02:29 you know, I've signed the terms and conditions. Yes, so anyway, I haven't. Have you ever heard of Theranos? Oh yes, thank you. Thank you, Timothy Stone for finally after a year and a half, choosing a topic that I said this might be a great episode. Please take us through the journey. 02:57 so they're in. I do know about Elizabeth Holmes. Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm excited for this. Okay, so Elizabeth Holmes, she here's a picture of a bright young mind. Yeah, here's a revolutionary. Here's Elizabeth Holmes. Yes, she was a well. Let's just take it back to the beginning. Let's take it back to the beginning. She was born in 03:25 I'm not saying she's Taylor Swift, but she's born in eighty four. She's blonde and you're a massage. It's who can't tell the difference between any any woman, any blonde girls. Oh yeah, I've seen you before we've met breeze school. We've are you married to do the number of people? We did a gig at a place that I won't make fun of and the number of people who walked up to so I have an all female team 03:50 yes, which I'm very proud of. I love the people who I work with and they work really hard and they're great now, but the number of people who walked up to my manager and asked if she was married to my manager is infuriating. Yeah Yeah, that's rough like. Are you married to their manager? She's like something like that. Yeah, I am the manager. She she responded. I'm married to the game, which is like why I was like heck yeah dude. That's the energy I like 04:19 I said you that tick tock of the high school football coach, who I school football coach. He was like, he was like, he's like, I one of my players on my team, I noticed that every game he ties a ring into his cleat, like into the shoelaces on his cleat, and he's like, he's like, that's kind of weird. And so one day after a few games, he asked about it and he's like, I just assumed, oh, it's just a ring that he normally wears, and then he ties it on there. So it's not. 04:45 in the way like during the game, but then he noticed he's like he never wears the ring outside of the game. He was like I'm married to the yeah. So he asked him one day he's like he's like he's like hey, why do you have that ring in your shoes? Like because I'm married to the game coach and he was like he's like I couldn't decide if I thought that was really cooler. If I wanted him to run gassers after that, you were sat through someone describing a video to you 05:10 fine. I'll stop doing that. Okay, maybe you watch the video because he's like singing in it's it's they've had to fill us on a Sunday. He's in a chick fil a rap and there's the cow is doing the flosser right and then there's a car that's on fire and it's pretty it's. I mean honestly, it's a really great video. You should check it out. It's a really cool video because they're like college students and they're like in their dorm room and they're like drinking orange juice. That's what they tell their parents. 05:36 and then first of all it's apple juice and second of all it's what's worse is whenever someone describes a full video to you and then they make you watch the video. They just described all video and you're like. I literally have a shot. I know this video you described the whole thing to me anyway. 06:07 Can we leave it? I didn't say anything Alex. Do you know the video he's referencing yeah? 06:23 it took me so long. Oh my god, so Elizabeth Lom's born 1984. Oh, I was gonna say so is doing a yeah theme for Halloween this year and it was eras. Oh sure and my brain was just like oh like Taylor Swift. I was going to dress like Taylor Swift and that she's they're dressing disco her team and I was like what era is that and she's like the seventy's and I was like she was born in eighty four. You guys are you guys are doing a different 06:53 yeah they're doing actual eras, not eras tour yeah threw me off anyways. So Elizabeth Holmes born at my wife school. This is real. This isn't a bit stop. My wife school had pajama day yeah and so my wife and I had a disagreement yeah one night and then you know when you wake up the next morning after you've gone to you had an disagreement. You said you're sorry, whatever you talk you go to bed the next morning you're like you're not talking 07:20 you're like you're still you're still not you're like all right, whatever. I'm making my breakfast, whatever my wife is getting ready for work and then she grabs her car keys in her backpack and starts to walk out the door and she's fully in her pajamas and I don't know that there's a day at school for and so I'm sitting there and in my head. I'm like letter I'm like I'm like arguing myself in my head. I'm like she doesn't know she doesn't realize that she's in her pajamas. She's going to go to work. Yeah, it's going to be embarrassing letter 07:48 just let her go and I know you have to tell her you have to you have to say something, but like what if you didn't just I'm like going back and forth and so finally before she left, I said hey, are you aware that you're in your pajamas right now and she went yeah yeah of course I she didn't say anything. She just went yeah and then left and I was like I never say it again 08:14 it was that and then when I got home, I was like what was that about and she's like it was pajama, the jam a day dumb, dumb, yeah like like I was stupid for asking like she was like she said it like she was like leave like she's still mad. Obviously yeah and she's like the whole time she's like. I hope he doesn't say anything to me this morning. You know yeah, we have a really healthy relationship yeah, so Elizabeth was born in 1984. Alex, do you have fights like that with your wife? No, not really 08:44 it's because he does the show, so he gets home too late, so they never have the like you know they fight in it. They're going to have one really big fight in twenty years and that'll just be like a huge fight and they'll be like all right, got it over with you know they got a that's one fight. Some couples are like that okay, so she was born in eighty four to the homes family obviously 09:12 but they have a lineage and I'm confused. I mean, I guess I'm not really confused about it. She related to priest homes pretty sold. Is that what you're saying? No, no no, it's not at all. 09:34 a all of a running back. So she comes for the homes was our one asset in the two thousands like he was all we had. We had train green yeah yeah. 09:54 we had some good. We did. We never synced up the way that we're synced up right now. Yeah, you didn't have. We've got overlap. Yeah, there was got phenomenal defensive coordinator. Finally, we've got eighty read who's insane. Yeah, and then we've got, you know, and right now it's insane that as of recording, I know that we're like we're releasing this right Thanksgiving. This may not be true. I hope it is, but it may not be true by them that right now we're undefeated. Yeah and you see the video of half the team at that high school football game. 10:24 supporting Nagy's son, Oh Agi, son. No, I saw the video where they got to where half the football team got to play a full high school team and they weren't taking it easy either dude like it was like dude, you wash up Chris Jones legs, break a sophomore's collarbone. I didn't know I need is a great video. I watched it and I was so here's so so the ball is high right Chris Jones, just straight out of tackles and you hear this kid go 10:53 right. It was like a like one of those things you give turn it to yeah and then and you know and his rain goes flying yeah, yeah, because he's married to the game. You want to watch it Chris Chris Chris attacks him and go and and then put him on the ground and he goes you've been served divorce papers. You should watch the video. Let's watch the video. So no, I what the story was was it was my homes, Chris Jones, 11:21 I think Kelsey, Andy Reed showed up to spag Harrison Bucker. Yeah, there's so much of the team just showed up to the game and they were just sitting in the stands. Kid was it was Matt Nagy's not nag kid yeah was playing and they just showed at the game. They were just sitting in the stands and it was crazy. One of the craziest things I've ever seen because they were just in the stands. I was like those people or anything. Yeah, those people aren't allowed to just go be in the stands like you when you're at that level like you've not. That is great. We've talked about that on the podcast before like how my homes and Kelsey can't go in public. Yeah, 11:51 but like any lineman came yeah yeah a bunch of them. You know yeah I would recognize Chris Jones. I would recognize I would recognize most of the players. I would. I think I yeah like you know anyway yeah because right now they're really good, but also you recognize have we talked about this before about how you recognize NFL players in real life just based on their sheer mass. 12:15 Yeah, you would see them and you'd be like. I think you might be a professional. I was showing Reagan that me and my homes are the same height and I was like. Look how tiny he looks on the field like when you look at him in the huddle yeah. I was like he's a small one. He's this yeah yeah he's a so when you see a professional athlete in person, it's jar. Remember we were at the we were the Ritz Carlton just a weekend get away and remember when the Cleveland Cavs walked in yeah yeah yeah and it's it is tiring. It's straight up where you're like 12:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they really are. Yeah, otherworldly. Yeah, so anyway, so she came from a family line. Her great, great, great grandfather is doing fine. It was Charles Lewis Fleishman. Sorry, I couldn't help it. Charles Lewis Fleishman. He is very wealthy. He was a Hungarian immigrant who came to the states to found a yeast company. And so he was a yeast baron. 13:14 one of the first people who made yeast commercially viable. If it weren't for him, this is what historians say. If it weren't for him, we would not have bread like we do today. We went at least not as much bread as we have to her, which we were talking about bread yesterday. Yeah, which are my mother dough. We're talking about money. No, we were talking about bread and we're talking about mother dough. No, we're talking about bread and how 13:43 Subway's bread is fake. Oh, hey. Hey. 13:50 hey, I accept the terms and conditions. I have nothing bad to say about subways fine restaurants, yeah or Disney, yeah, Disney and subway have real bread dude, the amount of people I'm really finding out a lot about my friends because the people who are worried about McDonald's e coli break yeah. I go really 14:20 Your wor- 14:22 Huh. 14:25 it is pretty. It's a role and be able to judge the past versions of yourself. You know yeah yeah, because I love to judge now you like the things I always did. I have nothing to fear. Yeah, I've literally I've not been any like not even air particles. Yeah, I haven't sniffed a McDonald's and and that was when I knew I needed to lose weight as I used to. Yeah, you drive by head out the window and just 14:53 and that was with Burger King in the car. You had a bag of Burger King. You job. I know you don't. I did when I was fat fat person thing. I did what was Fasoli's breadsticks were a dozen for your money nine and man. I would crush all twelve yeah, which to be fair, great meal, valid great meal. Those are so and without Elizabeth Holmes, great great great grandfather, Fasoli's breadsticks wouldn't exist. It would not exist. They do yeah, so he got very, very rich. 15:20 off this he was a yeast bearer. What do you think, the breadsticks fell out of a coconut tree? They exist in the context of all that we are. They exist in the context of Charles Louis Fleishman. Fleishman? Fleishman. Great. So somewhere along the line they changed their last name to Holmes. That or her father is a daughter in the line or her father is the son of a daughter in the line. Her father is the son of her grandmother in the line. Sure. You know, I don't know. You know how. 15:49 Family lines work. Yeah. So. I do. 15:54 I am one of them. I have family to I do know how you're not robot. What is this? What better you try to do right now? I'm just making sure that my kids and their kids and their kids know that I'm watching so I always remember. We just realized how this stuff lives forever on the internet. You know, like my 16:17 my great is going to see this video yeah yeah yeah and I want them to know that I still expect them to what in the words of my grandmother. Remember whose last name you have. That's what she would say when I wasn't behaving correctly. I would go. Remember we share last name yeah yeah and be like well we don't share first name, so no one's going to think I'm you okay. We did for a while 16:45 that I asked if I could change it. Can I please? I'd like to give up the name Della. I don't want to be Della anymore anymore. It was a really hard conversation when I had my family. Yeah, we just got a new first grader. His name is Joan Judy. All right, so so Fleishman spins a lot of money. 17:07 but does pass on a lot of it to his son. His son says I bet I could spend more, and so he does just that by becoming the youngest ever mayor of Cincinnati. Oh and the early nineteen hundreds passes on a little bit of money to his son and his son, who is Elizabeth Holmes grandfather is like. I bet I could spend the rest of this and he does he does it by opening up like an art institute thing and does philanthropy wonders it yeah, and so she 17:37 doesn't inherit a lot of wealth, but but this is very important. She does inherit a family that's well connected and so even though they're not very wealthy, they swim in the wealthy ponds and so her which does create a dynamic for her, which is like we're not wealthy, but I want to be yes and her. Their family was very, very proud of their history that the direct quote is the family is very proud of their yeast empire. 18:07 and they very much like it's like they they they longed for the days when they were you had those hobby lobby paintings on their wall like those little frames that just said from the west to the east from the east to the west. As for me and my family, we will praise the 18:31 sure praise the mother all the yeast. They they shatter act me shack and a bend to go. They bow a knee to the yeast, so they got thrown in the yeast furnace. I come from mother dough, but they really were like Fleishman was one of the richest people in America when he was a yeast baron. I can't stop saying he's and Elizabeth because 18:59 she was just kind of steeped in this as a child. Like they were, they're like our family was former yeast parents. We are important and special like she kind of grew up in this world where it's like I want to bring back our families yeast glory okay, and so she every year they had a yeast feast try to start a YouTube channel called Mr Yeast. 19:28 didn't go well. She made a snack company called Yeastables. It was just a bunch of stacks without the like. Oh, it seems pretty important to have it doesn't see you want yeast. Don't that is able to be yeasted she became a rapper for a little bit. Her name was yeast, yeast, Kanye, Yeast. This sucks 19:57 this is actually really interesting topic. I'm really excited. I'm really excited for the story. Please get to it, so I know this one, so she she's a vampire. She's in this in this culture with her family. Another important thing about her background before we get into the rest of story was her dad. Her dad was a guy by the name of Christian are homes. The second okay or wait now Christian are homes. The fourth 20:25 That was her grandf great grandfather was the second okay. He's the one who spent the rest of the money her. Her father, Christian Holmes, the fourth was a V P at Enron, which makes a lot of sense. She learned a lot of probably fraud from her dad. He though you gave away the ending. We don't know that yeah. Oh yes, she learned a lot about good moral business practice from in run from her dad and in Ron, which is a company that 20:55 we all know is a good moral business with very sound business practices. Yeah, and I don't know actually if her dad got any fallout from the Enron scandal and she he was a VP, but I don't know if like he he lost his job for well yeah he definitely lost his job and we do know that after the Enron scandal that he did bounce around from job to job and so she started she her like later youth was moving schools often because they were moving for his work. Yeah, because he couldn't 21:23 get a good job, so he must not have gotten like a prison sentence or anything. If he was able to move and find new jobs, he was just a VP. Vice Presidents do nothing. That's true, that's true. Yeah. At what level do you have to be to like and then in a scandal like that to have like probably someone in the C suite, you know yeah. What do you have like an ownership stake? You probably have to have a majority stake yeah. 21:48 interesting. Well, also it depends on how involved you were in the scheme because there's sometimes that is that scheme happened, but the CEO was our paper trail works wasn't involved. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. If you're going to fraud, you got to make sure you're not part of it. Yeah, but also what happens sometimes is that the people at top of the frauds get away with it because they've created a paper trail that that paints the target on someone, some else. Yeah, that's when you know you're really good at it. Yeah, so that's how I've gotten away with it. 22:17 So in high school she her parents like she went to private high schools. She got into computer programming and she actually started her first business in high school selling and I don't know how she pulls this off. She is something we're going to find out is she's really, really good at selling herself yeah and like talking the talk. Oh for sure, and so in high school she manages gift of gab, some my gift of gab yeah. She manages to sell c plus plus compilers, which 22:47 C plus plus is a computer programming language. A compiler Dums down computer programming languages into like dumber versions of languages. That's not the technical term, but essentially like more primitive languages and then allows other devices to be able to read it. So she was selling compliers to Chinese universities in high school. I don't know how she managed to pull that off, but she was selling these compilers because her parents had early in high school. 23:17 arranged for her to learn Mandarin. That was like a extra curricular activity that she had and so she then went to Stanford. Are you trying to learn Mandarin on Duolingo? Technically, I'm not learning Mandarin. I don't think. What are you learning actually just Chinese? Yeah, actually I'm learning that's actually a good question. I don't know what 23:42 I'm obviously not learning a lot. We learn in I was not learning a lot. Yeah, I just called it Chinese. I don't know if I'm actually learning Mandarin or just Chinese. I don't know what the difference is okay. Yeah anyways, so she goes to Stanford. I've got to do a lingo streak. I set mine to learn English, UK and doing really great so far. It's 24:15 I hate you so much. Everyone's like really are and I'm like I've been number one in English UK for months. My street my points yeah yeah yeah my comprehension. There's a couple words that I can't get though pretty difficult, but it's no pronunciation though yeah there's this one word. It's like C O L O U R and I just can't figure out what that is. I don't know what it means. I haven't asked 24:46 so they go to stay. If she goes to Stanford and while at Stanford she's studying chemical engineering and she what is she hoping to do at this point? You know, be rich. I don't know if there's like I don't know if there's a career goal, but she so your goals yeah sure and she's fine. She joined a sorority and she's just doing like the college thing right yeah. While she's there, she develops this theory or this 25:14 plan for business yeah and the plan is she wants to do blood tests with a lot less blood because she doesn't like blood and she doesn't like needles true and so she's like it'd be sweet. If you could do it, we have a lot in common. Her and I yeah you do yeah. You both come from yeast empires different, he's in fire to competing east empires. 25:41 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 26:08 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 26:25 Yeah, you were the best in the west. She was the best in the east. I hated her growing up. I have the best yeast in the west. She has the best yeast in the east. This is the best east on this side of the Mississippi 26:41 I keep bumping into the book shop. I know every time that you do a topic. I actually want to talk about. You just also do this. This is what I do in every episode. Okay, so she tells one of our professors about it right and she's like okay. So I got this idea and I do this yeah. She's like she's like what if with because I don't like needles and so she tells her professional her professor and her professor is like it's never going to work. She's like that's not enough blood. You need way more blood to be able to do those tests. 27:11 and she's like, well, what if we did less blood and she's like, no, it's not going to work. So then she walked out of that professor's office and walked into another professor's office and said, hey, I have this idea for a business, told him and he was like, that's a cool idea. I like it. The thing is he was he, he wasn't in a subject matter expert and that right. He was a subject matter expert in like engineering while the other one was in like bio engineering. Yes. So this guy didn't know that the idea when it worked was impossible. Yeah 27:36 And so she found someone who was like, that's a good idea. And so she starts pursuing this. Goes to Palo Alto, so she's in Stanford, And I think that this is, So right now... 28:05 Everything is AI. AI is the buzzword. If you can power your technology with AI, you win. In the 2010s, it was data. Everything's data-driven. Data-driven was the word. Democratize X was the early 2000s. We're bringing everybody's power, everybody's hands, and you all have control over your own thing. And so her idea was just that. You could use a take-home finger prick, finger prick your finger, and then you'd have a small little vial of blood. 28:33 which she's actually holding in this picture, small, tiny, tiny little viral, but it looks like maybe a big Tylenol capsule. Is she cross side in that picture? I feel like they probably should have said hey, let's take this again. You look cross side in this picture. She's just looking at the thing, but it is interesting knowing how the story ends like what do you think's going on in her head when she's taking this picture like you, you know? Oh, I have very strong thoughts. All right, let's get to it so 28:58 And then so you finger prick and then you send it off. what I think they were saying was 60 different blood tests. much quicker. make this possible and she's going out and she's getting funding. 29:28 Later in 2010, they raised more than 92 million in venture capital. And she puts together this group, this board of very influential, like big name people. And I think it really does. It just comes down to what I said earlier, where she was just a really good salesperson and selling. So obviously she's in the board. And so she pulled in Riley Bechtel, which was former 29:56 Bechtel Group CEO, major US company, David Boyes, another founder of a major company. And then now is where we start to get to some interesting people. William Foege, which was a former director of the CDC. Richard Kovach, which was the former CEO and chairman of Wells Fargo. And then Jim Mattis, who you might know as General Jim Mattis, who was the US Secretary of Defense. 30:25 and then another former executive of Amgen and then investors included like Larry Fink, members of the PayPal Mafia, yeah and then even George Schultz, which is former Secretary of State, yeah and so she was put together this group of like high ranking government, a snow ball effect things where if you get because you know she went to the professor that you know 30:55 she's got the backing of a professor there. You know one professor told her this isn't going to work yeah and then you get a couple other influential people and once you've got like this is and this is kind of why I'm like hesitant to let people open on my shows and stuff. Yeah is that like it's not not that I'm kind of any kind of big name, but then once you've done that you can say oh I know and I've worked with yes. 31:25 jaren and you can use my credibility with someone else yes and leverage that in your conversation, yes and so you can say well, you know I had this conversation with them. They seem pretty excited about it. Oh well, if they seem excited about it, yes, you know and so it's a snowball. It's not like you know all the sudden she's got this entire list. It's like she gets one at a time, but then it snowballs to where it's like once you've got four of those people, yeah, you can get the rest of them. 31:52 yeah, because they yeah, because they start to see all you've got that person signing off. Yes, this must be legit if they did and what do we just talk about the almost like a confirmation bias type thing of the circular report, circular report, yeah, where it's just like oh they're in. I don't even need to dig any further. Yes, they've probably done their own due diligence, so now I can trust them a hundred percent, you know, and I think this is also a symptom of silicon valley even to this day, but for sure, especially then is just gambling. 32:22 Yeah, because so many of these investors are just like if I invest in six of these companies and two of them pay off, it covers my entire investment. Yes, exactly. And at the at this stage, investing in any business in this stage, like there's not fundamentals you can look at. There's not a you're just looking at a business plan. There's not a product. Yeah, yeah. It's like so many of the ideas in Silicon Valley are just ideas of like this is this is a crazy idea. Now the idea pitched here 32:51 being able to do blood tests on a smaller amount of blood is a crazy idea. Yes, like where it's like if that pays off, if this works, it's huge. If you like even and even of like your, let's say that she starts this and I think she does. I think she's genuinely like. I think I can figure this out. Yeah, you know we know where it leads, but I don't think it. I don't think the whole time was like I'm going to do this like it was like she can figure this out is what she thinks yeah and so 33:20 the amount of upside that could happen if you do crack it huge yeah is insane yeah, because if you were to put a million in in two thousand three, you're a billionaire and the company goes to ten billion like yeah, you've got a major stake in this case, and I think that's what most silicon valley investors and venture capital, especially in that era we're doing, where they said like exactly like you said, I'm going to invest in seven, eight companies. I've got 33:49 ten million to spend my thrum at all. One of them is going to pop and it's going to be worth it for all of that spend all the loss on everyone else, and so it doesn't matter if if it's sound. It doesn't matter if I think you can actually do it. It just matters a number scheme and only in yeah. I mean here we are twenty years later. That's still happening yeah, but it's definitely like after the we work and uber there and there, and I was like 34:17 after a couple big unicorns yeah, you know, turn out or the ogres, stab you in the butt or whatever there's there's a little more. It's harder to get funding than he is yeah yeah. People are a little bit more cautious and I think yeah anyway, so she gets a lot of funding. 34:35 and they start building this company and it's very much like you were saying. I all I was countering was was like it's not just her gift of it's not like she's just a smooth talker one. I think she genuinely believes this is possible yeah and two. She has an idea of how to make it happen. She is talking with reputable scientists and people who are actively working on a way to make this happen yeah and then she's leaning on the credibility of the people she's already got on board. 34:58 Yeah, so it's it's not just like she's smooth talking her way through and getting money is what I was trying to say. Yeah, and she does have like a she does have a good background like she built a business in high school that was very fairly successful. She went to stanford even though she didn't finish stanford, but she went to stanford and she's very well connected as it's like if you're an investor, you see this person and she's good at communicating like you can't really fault an investor for investing at this stage because of all those things like it makes sense that an investor, especially a silicon valley investor would invest in right. 35:28 a business like this. they're building the plane while it's flying. is they're building this business while it's flying Because they don't go public, What I mean is like they are, no one knows about them 35:58 So they're building this whole thing in the dark, seemingly trying to get it right and years for ten years. Yeah, but in this company, they originally launched as real time cures. They changed the name later the same year as they launched to Theranos, which was a combination of the word therapy and diagnosis because they thought that the word cures like people have a bad association with that and so they don't want to keep or also an expectation of like this is going to cure you 36:25 Also true yeah, because it was just supposed to diagnose you. It wasn't supposed to yeah, you don't do that fingerprint and then all of a sudden be healthy and so they in twenty thirteen for the first time ever launch a website and kind of go public with what they're working on and at that time they had already signed a deal with Walgreens and so the deal was they were going to put their device in in Walgreens and so here's here's kind of a quick look at what they're doing so in historically 36:54 if you need to get blood work done, they had to draw, they have to draw like a decent amount of blood and then they put it through this massive device, which is like a full kitchen in most houses and their big, big, huge cabinets, big, huge machines. They're like the size of commercial printers and the blood goes through the centrifuge and gets shaken up and then they run all these tests and diagnostics through this whole process and it's huge. It takes hours upon hours. Your blood that has to get sent off to these third party labs. 37:23 and it and you don't get your results back for weeks to find out what's going on. What Theranos built was this device, which looks like an counter top ice maker, yeah, ice maker or like an early PC, a little bit. Yes, but yeah, early PC is very small fits on a counter and and we saw that picture of her holding the vial. All you need is this tiny finger prick of blood. You shove it in there and it can give you 37:50 I think they said yeah up to sixty different test results with that in minutes, which originally the plan wasn't for it to be sixty right. The plan was for it to be just a certain number of. I don't know when they launched honestly how much they wanted to. She always talked about the story. She would tell the story about her uncle who got sick and died yes and a lot has been said about that story since, but so that was the example she always told. So maybe when 38:18 she started. It was specific to that case and over time it grew. I don't I don't know. Actually, I think if I remember correctly, there was like it started as a smaller panel and then it just eventually out grew, you know, where it's just like listen. If the smaller panel is not possible to do, let's just say that we can do it all. You know yeah, I was like what's the point about lying about four things? If we can lie about six about a bunch of you know interesting so 38:46 and then what Walgreens is good doing is Walgreens was retrofitting their stores and putting in these little Theranos places like they're not like what it was the word I'm looking for like Theranos centers and you were going to have these machines. Yeah, they were going to have those machines on site. You could walk in, they'd finger prick you, they'd plug it in and then they'd be like all right. Here's what your blood says about you and it would say like doesn't look good. It was like it. It's like a magic eight ball. Those kind of responses. Please try again. 39:16 looks bad, that diagnosis is unclear. So yeah, you go in, you get your finger prick and then they give you the results. Walgreens invested $350 million into adding this into all their stores. And it was pretty phenomenal because no one had really heard of it yet. Like she, the company didn't exist, I mean it existed, but as far as the public eye was concerned. 39:41 there was no public trust bill. There was no anything we was walk, but again it's one of those things where Walgreens puts its name behind them. Yes, and now you're now you're both, you know, lean on me. We're both lean together in this. Yes, yes, and so then later that year safeway is like we want it to and so safe way jumps on to and they invest. I think a hundred fifty million into it and they're retrofitting their stores, yeah, putting this in all their stores and so by this. This was twenty thirteen they go public. 40:11 by mid twenty fourteen homes is now like a figure in Wall Street, yes, business world. She's on the cover of Fortune, Fours, New York Times, how many machines are they promising to roll out? Oh, I mean I don't know what the number is, but at this point it's got to be thousands because they're putting in an every Walgreens store, every Safeway store, those machines are going into Walgreens. Yeah, they're going in there yeah okay and so 40:35 she makes on the Forbes four hundred list at number one. Now every Walgreens has one of these machines and every safe ways got wall most yeah. What I should say is every Walgreens every safe ways getting these machines. I was saying I was saying I don't think I don't think everyone has them yet. Everyone's getting them and so she lands on the Forbes four hundred list at position one ten because now the company is catapulted in the matter of a few months to a well yeah. Everyone wants to be early yeah 41:03 Yeah. And so now they're now they're a public company, they're public on the stock market. They hit a nine billion dollar evaluation. And so she becomes the youngest female billionaire in history. And obviously, given her background, what we know about her, this is like a huge thing for her. She's pumped. And she also one thing I don't know if you could guess by 41:24 this picture who her idol is love Steve job. Yeah, she only wears the Steve jobs turtleneck. That's the only outfit she wears okay, and she's a huge Steve jobs fan. She does Steve job in things all the time. So she do so she like builds her life around the things that Steve jobs does yeah, and so she sets up her office and like her company culture in the same way that I see listic very yeah, very simple 41:52 She does the same thing every day. She does the same kind of like cut throat stuff where so Steve Jobs was famous for on I think was the Mac two or three. He put two engineering teams. He pitted them against each other to build it and it was like whoever builds a better product. We launch. She does the same thing but 42:12 on them. She says whoever builds a better product doesn't get fired, keeps her job yeah, and so she does she she takes a lot of the ideas that stop jobs had that were like. Oh, that was kind of a fun good idea to like have this competitive thing in your company and she makes like she goes. Let's raise the stakes. Let's raise the stakes. Whoever does this better. I'm out for blood. Yeah. If you guys don't do this better than we're putting you in the yeast oven. Oh, I'm out for blood. I didn't catch that. That's pretty stuff in. I went. I'm out for blood and you were like I make my another yeast joke. 42:43 I like the he's I'm going to do the use bits of a big fan of the yeast. What else does she do? What other jobs things? No, she does a weird thing. I don't know. I feel like you're looking for something specific. You don't know about oh she has a yeah. She talks with a very she talks with a deep voice and she never acknowledges it. She's like this is just my voice, but there's a lot of analysis that's been done about this. Have you looked in her? Have you looked into the voice at all? 43:12 No, I just assumed her voice was deep. You didn't know this now yeah, so she's taking that and the you can watch the progression of that happening where she starts to talk slower and deeper because she thought that that's how that commanding the room was. Oh, was that she's just you know there's a lot of analysis of early videos of her versus later videos and how you can see it slowly progress to where she talks like she talks like this and 43:40 doesn't open her mouth all the way and does this you know very low voice and this is just how she talks now. Oh no, I did not didn't know she was faking the voice, just faking the voice. That's one of the main things about her. I was going to bring it up because it felt like I was making fun of her for having a really deep voice. She's like faking the voice. It's bad. It's it sounds really weird now that I know that it's fake. It's really it makes way more sense that it's fake. Yeah, that makes way more sense because it sounds labored like it sounds like like 44:08 Obviously I'm a dude, so my voice is naturally deeper, but it sounds like she does. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I mean, obviously, obviously I'm a dude, so my voice is naturally deeper. 44:23 You know. 44:27 but this is what this is what it sounds like. If you ever heard her voice, this is what it sounds like. It sounds like she's doing. She sounds like she's like down low like yes, like like yeah, like so here's what we do with the blood and we're going talking from the back of her throat. Yeah, doing it's very very weird. Yeah, there's a whole there's a whole like video essays on this interesting. I just thought she just had a weirdly deep voice. Yeah, wow, like internal. If you watch the documentary, the team talks about how her voice change over the years. 44:56 interest and all of them make fun of it. They're like yeah the voice that's pretty funny. Yeah, I just read about this. I thought that be a really you've never. Oh, I just read the stories like I didn't watch anything. There's an there's a before we get too much further into it. There's a really good. Was it on Netflix? Look up the the drama pick of this. What do they call that when someone does a bio pic? Is that what it is? Yeah, a bio pic is like when you dramatize the story or whatever drop out 45:25 the drop out is on Netflix yeah. Okay, well, no, it's on who now okay. It's on who it was on who to begin with. Was it yes, it's on who's called the drop out a very, very good telling of this story and the actress was phenomenal in that, but they nailed it. It really did. Hold on. I just need it. This is crazy. How accurate this is. Oh, how accurate they got the picture. Yeah. Oh yeah, they really did a really good job with the series. Yeah, look at so we're not sponsor anything yeah. 45:55 that's that crazy wild. How much that looks like her yeah they really they really did a great job and like and they and they do the voice change in that as well. That's pretty funny. I did not know that it's like the whole series. She talks she talks like this yeah yeah interesting wow wild okay, so so yeah she got a weird voice. Well she thought that was like you know the cutthroat business leading charge thing yeah yeah which 46:20 to be fair. If we're talking from a psychologically doing a topic where I know it, we're kind of like co teaching it. That's kind of fun. You know, I think from like a psychological sand standpoint, yeah being a woman in business in the early twenty ten for sure like that does make a little bit of sense. Yeah, especially yeah interesting interesting, which is what makes the end of this story that much worse. I think yeah yeah like you know yeah, and so she was running this business like a lot of Silicon Valley 46:49 tech startups. The problem was this wasn't just any tech startup. This was a medical tech, biotech. Yeah, that's the word I'm looking for, a biotech startup. So the standards are a little different and the way you need to confirm some things is a little different because like, you probably heard this, the kind of mantra of Silicon Valley is go fast and break things. And so the idea is you're, 47:18 move as quickly as you can. You want to beat everybody else to market. It's not going to be great, but you're going to figure it out once you're out there and with something like this, that doesn't work great because it's the same thing that uber did though. If we're talking about uber lately, who's that talking about? I was talking about uber with chama and how uber went full circle just straight back to taxis where like uber did all this stuff like we're going to bring. We're going to revolutionize this. We're going to make it so you can put it on your phone and you're going to see that you have all the stuff and then they went back and they were like shoot. 47:48 actually the taxis had this system figured out already. They did better than this royally messed it up. Yeah, yeah and so now they're just re they're trying to slowly walk us back to now. It's just uber. I mean that's what Netflix is doing. Yeah, that's like is like on TV was Netflix like shoot like we love live TV. They were able to make it so cheap because they had ads. Yeah, you know I saw an ad make sense. I saw an ad for Hulu the other day that 48:16 made me so mad because the ad in the ad they said, what did they say? They said for, I think they said for seventy nine ninety nine a month, you get access to ninety nine channels and I was like shut up ninety nine channels. I had ten thousand, I had ten thousand yeah, albeit nine thousand nine hundred and fifty of those were trash, but I 48:43 had ten thousand yeah, and I saw commercial channels. I saw a commercial that royally messed up my day. What the Zillow commercial? Have you seen this now Zillow commercial over? We're back to explaining videos shot by shot. I mean I know I don't know. You tell me the Zillow commercial where it opens on the girl. She's breaking something in the living room, something falls and she's like oh shoot and then up pops her her yearly salary hundred and fourteen thousand right and a voice in the other room goes. What was that 49:12 she was nothing. I broke the thing right and then it cuts to that girl. It shows her salary hundred and ten thousand right and then it's another girl in the other room. They're all roommates obviously yeah, then it pops up with her yearly salary and it's like a hundred and twenty thousand and it pops up and says where she's talking and she's like. I knew I couldn't buy a home of my own, but like going in together with my friends made home ownership possible and it's showing three people with six figure salaries not able to purchase a home. 49:40 buying a home together and Zillow help them do that and that made it through so many levels of marketing admins. No, I don't think that made through. I think they were like we need to get people to buy more homes. Somebody wrote that somebody film that those actors accepted that role 50:01 read those lines, they edited those videos and then they put some ad dollars behind it for it to pop up in my social media feed and they were like oh, you can't afford a home by one with your friends. Yeah, what's crazy is like that's a thing that we're actually hearing about happening now like people like people are actually buying homes with their friends, yeah, which is in insane thing to do 50:29 that stresses me out. I hate that and it's crazy because it's like the salaries they were showing our salaries are great should be able to live. That's the stuff that's made me radicalize and made me really hate the system that we live in. Those are the things that have changed my algorithm and now I'm a coral barks. I'm not I'm not chill. I love ducks. Should I just love ducks? 51:00 Later tonight, when you're sleeping in your bunk, I'm gonna sneak into the... What did you say? 51:10 let me finish. Let me finish or go ahead. I want to sneak into this apartment because I have the key and I'm going to change your algorithm. I really your browsing history. I'm going to delete all your subscriptions. I want to be sus. Is you saying when you're sleeping in your bunk? 51:24 I didn't like that. That's what it is. It's a bunk. My bet here is that we talking about yeah bad bunk. It's the same things not sleeping in your bunk. That's not it. You're all inside your bow, how eventually twelve people are going to buy a three bedroom house. I just called beds bunks. All right, that's one bunky bed, so anyway, we had a story. So we're talking yes, 51:53 So she's got this crazy evaluation from the stock market and she's growing and the thing about the medical industry is that there are more checks and balances than in other industries. So move fast and break stuff is the is the phrase that's in so valley. They're trying to do this company but they have to do what so what's interesting is there are more checks and balances but she's getting around all these checks and balances by 52:24 being a 52:54 take the prim pricks, ship the blood to us, yes, take the samples, they're email you the results yes, and so they start doing that. We're doing off site blood tests for our machines for our machines until when we're doing it on our machines, but we're doing our machines. We're doing it on our machines. Don't worry machines can do the blood test. She's are doing the blood tests and so off site. So what they do while they're still building it, they are having this blood ship to them and they hired a third party that uses these traditional machines to run the blood tests. 53:22 and then said running the blood tests on normal, regular, boring old blood machines, but they're telling everyone about their saying our machine gave these results. Yes, yes, which I mean there's a word for that. I think it's for all. 53:42 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tillon topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 54:08 I like that. I've never said till inverse before, but I'm sticking with it. If you want to know what's happening in the till inverse, that's the best place to do it. You can go to till and dot com. There's a link in the description or you can text till into six, six, eight, six, six. There's a lot of ways to sign up for the mailing list to make sure you keep up to date with everything that we've talked about and everything that's going on in the till inverse. But anyways, now back to this episode. 54:33 So they're they're setting off them the stuff that right right. Meanwhile, everyone believes they're actually getting there in us test sure, and this is like actually real people greens believes they're getting there. Those tests, the patients believe they're real patients are getting tests that are not authentic tests and then Theranos takes it a step further because they say okay. I think we can actually start to use our machines. They haven't shipped them yet, but they're like. I think we can start to use our machines, but they only are about sixty percent accurate at this point, right, and so they start shipping off tests. 55:03 to real patients with 60% accuracy ratings. And blood tests are important. That tells doctors what kind of treatment you should have. And so there are people who are getting false positive for real diseases, and there are people who are not getting positive for diseases that they actually have. And it's actually genuinely affecting people's health. And so this is all happening behind the scenes. And the culture within Theranos as a company, 55:31 has always been pretty toxic. There's always been this this secrecy at all costs sort of things. The way it was taught was we can't let our trade secrets get out right, and so everyone's like you. You can't talk about it. You can't say what's going on. You can't ask questions about the top brass. They were very like if you're questioning us, you you're against us. Basically was the culture and so people who ask questions got fired. You're going to bring up her number two yeah, and so 56:00 If you brought up questions, you got fired. And at this event, they were running this test on the machine the night before, and they realized it's not working. We're going to do the test, we're going to put it in. 56:29 it was no test ran, nothing happened. It just displayed results after they put something in. And so they did it. They ran the test, display the results. She sends out this company wide email. She's like, great job, everyone. You guys did such a good job on your feet, responding to adversity. And she's like, we're really changing the world here. We're doing something great here. Her CFO comes to her after that. And her CFO is like, hey, we can't be doing that. You're deceiving your investors. 56:58 like we can't be lying to people. She fires him on the spot right and when that happens, there becomes this. I should say like larger fear culture looming shadow of I can't speak out against what's happening, even if I know like because there was a suspicion among some people who were 57:21 building the machines, doing the lab, or obviously there are people who are running the actual tests on different machines yeah and they're sitting here going like, but there's also that like there's so many people who are bought into the we're figuring it out. We're doing this and if we stop doing this, the money stops and then obviously we can't figure it at all yeah we're making the address. The ends justify the means in that we're making progress on these things. So we're going to do this unethical thing, but there's also some people in the in the Theranos system who are saying like no, this is wrong. This we can't keep doing this yes and so 57:51 Yeah, when her CFO does that, but a large part of this too is sunny. Are you going to talk about sunny? Yeah, so sunny Balwani, who is like is it the C O O of the company? He has an interesting past. He was a programmer. He works. He essentially groomed her. Are we going to talk about that? Do you know about this? I don't know. I don't know about him grooming her. I don't know about the romantic relationship. I don't know about him grooming. He's significantly older than her 58:19 I didn't know. I didn't know he groomed her, but he I mean he you know was around really early in Theranos interesting. I he was around before the two thousand thirteen stuff yeah like he was around like early two thousands yeah, because he was he was she was a full adult. It wasn't yeah. It wasn't like he groomed her as a teenager yeah, but he did. He was in a power position as far as like someone who had money and status. 58:47 yes, and then he basically you know was I don't say secluded her, but like was her only support and confident during some of the earlier years of the company yeah yeah. He worked for in some scenarios would be categorized as yeah. I guess I guess that's true. He became her protector against some of the other things yeah. He had he he worked for a company called commercial 59:17 bid, he was the president. And so he made a lot of money And so he was a fairly wealthy person. And one of the things that you see a lot at Microsoft, which 59:43 doesn't make any sense because obviously that's a lot sounds great though. Most most developers somewhere in the ballpark of one to maybe two thousand a year and so it's like how do you do in that and so it was a above happy pace baby above likely figure. Also when he was at Microsoft he worked in sales. He didn't work in programming so very clearly right off the bat looks like some sketchy 01:00:12 he's kind of a sleazy guy yeah yeah and so yeah he was he was thirty seven when he met homes. She was eighteen yeah i'm saying yeah so yeah i guess he didn't meet her his senior year her senior year of high school i yeah interesting so yeah so he joined and held with the day to day operations of there in us and it was very interesting because homes would communicate with a lot of people in the company and she when she communicate with people in the company she would often like 01:00:41 restate the vision, bring people back to the mission and to the goal and like try to like paint this picture that they're were making the world a better place. We're changing the world. What would happen after those meetings though she people would bring concerns to her. She would paint the vision. It be. I wouldn't say a positive meeting because she would just kind of deflect all their concerns and say we're doing something well, but like it wasn't like a bad experience until later people would then get an email from sunny 01:01:10 and sunny would just a blue lay into them like paragraph after paragraph, shouty caps, all bold red text, all the negative things you can write in an email and just like degrade people's character. Well, it also was the kind of person that, like when you make an argument and you're like well, you you said this 01:01:32 yeah and they would go. You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say I did not say that and they repeat the same sentence back to you. Yeah again. You didn't say that exact sentence. You said something to the effect of this well. That's what you need to say. You need to be more clear with your words and if you can't even more clear, you know they just the crazy crazy gas lighting. Yeah, I try not to use that word as much because as soon as you say that the people who do it are like 01:01:55 you're using therapy speak and all that and they gas light you into thinking they never gas you before, so I try to use that work because it immediately turned some people off yeah, that's what he was doing. You explain the concept of gas lighting to anybody in the world. They go that does happen yeah. That's as crazy a lot of people do and then you go you do it and he does it. I'm talking about you right now. 01:02:19 and they go first of all, I've never guess. Tell me when give me one example. Give me one example. Give me one. Oh okay. Give me two examples. Actually, that's not gas like what you're saying is not gas. That's not gas. That's not gas. That's not what you just described. Yeah. Now that you're saying that that should do a podcast where we just try to gaslight each other the whole time as any of our phone calls. So we already did that 01:02:48 that's this whole show. We did that gas like we did a whole episode by gaslighting almost believed. I almost no. We did a whole episode. He took the babe for a second and I'm so mad about it. Okay, so that's you 01:03:11 here a Billy mouth bass. Oh, speaking of bass, have you seen this? Have you seen Green Day's new dukey D mastered? No, you know Green Day's record do key right. They they're doing a remastered version of that record for whatever this is master twenty fifth twenty thirtieth anniversary, something that is bad as possible. Yeah. So what they're doing is instead of buying the full record, you buy a single track. Okay, each track comes on 01:03:39 what they said is like you should have never heard before. And so what they're doing is they're putting it on bad formats. And so, for example, one of them is that Billy Bass and it's just one of the songs and that's pretty fun. So like one of them's a floppy disk, one of them's a Gameboy color game and you put in it just plays the song. That's one of them is a doorbell. You ring the doorbell and the doorbell plays the song. And so it's obviously like bad, like all of them are bad because they're bad audio formats. 01:04:07 but it's the whole area really brilliant, hilarious and so they're all collectors items. They're like limited to five hundred each one and they're pretty pretty pricey, but I love the concept that's pretty great. I love the concept. You can get our tilling episodes as Billy man. Well, yeah, we do have to my neighbor have one of those and now that I'm an adult thinking about what it would take to be a person who hangs out in your living room. It was a different time that's two thousand three. We were in Iraq 01:04:37 and now I was we have till in D mastered. It was episode one through like fourteen before whatever, whatever Alex join. You go to the audio only for the entire first season. If you go to the audio only and listen to what we first did, I edited those in garage bay. That's true. Yeah, that's till in D mastered right. It's bad anyways, so to make a long sunny would sunny with sunny was the enforcer to her 01:05:06 and that's what every good cult needs. Yeah is you need a charismatic leader and then you need someone who makes sure that your followers follow the rules and that's what Sonny wants to her yeah. So the way this all kind of started to crack in twenty thirteen. They go public. All the fanfare comes out a reporter with. Let me make sure I say the right organization. The Wall Street Journal Z a reporter with the Wall Street Journal 01:05:36 cut contacts in the medical world, the lance is the lance at Evangel University. Here's from one of his contacts in the medical space, sure sure and they're like. I don't think that this sounds possible, and so he starts looking into it sure. Meanwhile, at the same time there's a I shouldn't say low level like mid level staffer by the name of Tyler Schultz. Tyler Schultz got connected with the company as his grandfather, his George Schultz, one of those early 01:06:05 investors and also I s what did I say? It was secretary of state state wasn't state or souls to he was a he was very he was a government very influential George and was Charles George Schultz was 01:06:26 can secretary of the treasury point a little bit faster on his wikipedia page, jeez secretary of the treasury yeah yeah and so shalt actually introduced him to yeah so george sholt got him a job at there knows yes yes and so it was like hey i invested pretty pretty big fan on the board yeah hire my grandson exactly he needs a job and then okay and then his grandson starts working there and is like this is 01:06:55 lying. We're just lying. Yeah, yeah, we're lying. Yeah, so he raises some questions. Yes, he starts talking to some people and eventually actually talks to Elizabeth Holmes herself about it, and I think he sends an email to her. She doesn't respond to the email. Right instead, sunny's response to the email is basically like you're out of here, and if it weren't for your name, you would have been out of here a long time ago. You have no qualifications, you're a piece of garbage, all this stuff 01:07:25 and so he reaches out to the government and is like hey, is this okay? Here's what word first went to his grandpa though. Yeah, do you yeah he did talk to his grandpa and his grandpa was like no. I was like shut up. You're stupid. No his grandpa really was like no. I do we trust the vision like you're not going to you know yeah be grateful that I got you this job yeah yeah and then yeah and then when his grandpa realizes the truth, his grandpa was actually really instrumental in the whole flip interesting so 01:07:55 he goes to the government and he's like, hey, I killed was with homes. He's like, he's like, is this legit? They're like, that's definitely not legit. We should look into this. And so he becomes a whistleblower kind of not really. I don't think he like set out from the start to be a whistleblower. I think he was like, Hey, I've got some questions. No one in the company is taking them seriously. So he went outside the company to ask these questions. And when he asked those questions, 01:08:19 with the government agencies he is speaking to, they then were like, okay, hey, you're a whistleblower. Now we need to do this right and he's like, oh, that's not really what I was trying to do, but I guess we're here and so it got it got really nasty really quick because you said like his grandpa ended up joining sides with him, but before that Theranos and their lawyers were getting really intense. Oh yeah and they're like his whole family was trying to be like hey, you need to drop this. The lawyers they're going to financially destroy you and come after us yeah and they also 01:08:49 for a long time like they were kind of family friends with Elizabeth Holmes right and like they at the early phases like sided with her yeah. He put a lot of the line to and so after he left the company they found out that he was quote unquote whistle blowing. They started trying to get him to sign an NDA so they started trying to get him to retroactively, which is yeah to joint to come have a meeting with their lawyers and sign an idiot. They're like it'll just be a one page NDA just very basic stuff. 01:09:17 we just want to want you to sign it and he kept refusing and then finally like his grandpa calls him for a meeting at the house to talk about the issue and tries to get him to sign the India and tries to talk him into going to the meeting to sign the NDA come to find out the lawyers were in the back room at the house like it was like an ambush that's like sign then yeah yeah because they came in the room and so and he was like he's like no and so finally that Wall Street Journal 01:09:47 the person writing that article found out about him. This guy named John Carey, you found out about him and reached out to him, put together the article, released the article, and it was like bombshell. Once everyone found out, oh, they're just faking all these results. A lot of investors started pulling their cash or selling their shares. I mean, and we're going to cover the, one of their main scientists. 01:10:15 Were you going to mention this? Did you do you know about this? One of their main sign is what you're talking about was pushing back on this from the beginning was just like we can't keep doing this. There was a lot of people within the company. I don't know if I don't know who specifically you're talking about, but I do know there was a lot of people in the company who were saying hey, this isn't this isn't realistic like we're trying to do right, possibly achieve and they kept having the the Silicon Valley mindset where it's like oh any problem is solvable. We just need more time. We just need to work harder on it. 01:10:45 and we just need better minds on it and anybody who disagrees just kind of gets ousted right. Ian Gibbons, I don't know him. You don't know about this yeah in Gibbons was one of the biochemists who before they ever went 01:11:04 in two thousand and thirteen before they even went public on stuff. He was pushing, but he didn't want them to do that. Oh yes, they were faking it way back then. Yeah, he knew they weren't ready and he kept saying it was not even ready. He was saying this is not possible and we're lying. We're do you guys are yeah doing this Walgreens deal and all this stuff and it's not a thing and he couldn't. He couldn't take the lie and so interesting yeah. So so all this stuff comes out Walgreens 01:11:32 pulls from the deal safely pulls from the deal right bunch of investors started. So I'm saying one of their main guys from the beginning took his own life in two thousand and thirteen because he couldn't handle like he was like no, this is wrong. Whatever I remember that actually now yes and then they went public with all that stuff. Yeah, I forgot about that. I forgot about that, so they had pushed back the entire time. Oh yeah, I mean 01:11:56 before she even started the company. She went to someone who right they were talking about and they had a they had a culture of silence and not yeah speaking up about it. You know and it very much seems like they they were hiring the wrong kind of engineers to solve this problem. They were hiring engineers who knew how to build machinery, who knew how to write co, but they were not hiring biomedical biochemists right like people who could actually solve the problem. So anyway, yes, the news breaks that hey 01:12:22 we've been taking the tests. We've been testing on different machines. We've been lying about all of our progress. All of your investments are just this is a Ponzi scheme, essentially yeah, so Walgreens pulls Safeway pulls and then Kramer from Seinfeld, Jim Kramer from CNBC's mad money. You know the show where the guy just yells about money for an hour. Yeah, he's a stocks are crazy that guy. Yeah, he brings her on the show and he's a gather articles pretty brutal and she responds to it. 01:12:51 and now that I know I can make fun of her voice, she says now I know that's fair game. She says this is just what happens when you work to change things. First, they think you're crazy and then they fight you and then all of a sudden you change the world. That's what I don't think we gave you the liberty to make fun of her voice that bad 01:13:17 you're like now that I could make fun of it. Like that's not I don't think that was we didn't give you creative license to do that. I took it. That's great. I didn't sign an NDA so she's like oh I'm. This is what happens to everybody who's changing the world. Everyone is making a difference. At some point they face. She really thought that he are away through it yeah and that's the thing. I think is so delusional 01:13:44 That's the thing. I genuinely think you mentioned this earlier. I think even through honestly, probably to today, I think she thought we're going to figure this out. Yeah, we're not there yet. We just once it clicks yeah like this will all be over. Yeah, it's like that. I mean it's the sunken cost fallacy as well, though, where it's like we're this far in. If you if we get arrested, it's like what's the risk? I mean the risk is that we get caught and I get arrested sure, but also tomorrow we could figure this out. Yes, yeah and then it's we're good. Yeah, you know 01:14:12 And I think that's the thing too, And so it's like, at some point they were having results like we're getting there, and this is going to change the world, And so I do think they were, And so the FDA comes down pretty hard on the company 01:14:41 anyone from owning, operating or directing blood tests using their machines and from Theranos doing any testing for two years. So like you're going to add to do any of this stuff for two years. Yeah, and so here's a legal time out. Yeah, here's a legal time out and basically it was like well, twenty seventeen. Then we're going to actually put a suit against you. So like we're giving ourselves some time to figure this all out and so fortune updates their 01:15:07 ranking for her where her ranking was a valuation of four billion dollars. She was worth four billion dollars and they updated it. Just change it to zero. They put her on the website. They said so they don't remove her for the website. They were like zero, which is brutal wolf and so long story short her that's only sixty percent accurate 01:15:31 So Holmes and Sunny both end up in pretty long court And Holmes is found guilty of four counts of defrauding patients, three counts of wire fraud, and one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. But what's interesting is they returned him no verdict on three counts of fraud against investors, which is interesting. 01:16:00 Okay, but the government dismissed them, which is interesting. And it's very interesting on that note about Silicon Valley culture because Silicon Valley culture again, these investors are playing a numbers game. They know they're going to lose money on a lot of these investments. They also know that getting the big bucks in this is being the first offer, being the earliest to it. And so 01:16:29 there is a culture not being the last because there were some people that at its height sold yes, yes and they did make money. They made a ton of a ton of money on it yeah and so in the silicon world like you need to. If you're one of those investors, you can't burn bridges, you need all those connections and so there are situations where these investors lose millions on these because and they know it's fraud. They know they were trick. They know they were scammed, but they will not pursue anything on it. 01:16:59 because it's riskier for them and all their other investments to pursue anything on it. They need to save face. And there's questions, especially in this legal proceeding about that, where it's like, oh, these investors, they were OK with losing. I should say they were OK with losing money. They had calculated to lose that money. Yes, they expected it. And they were not going to pursue anything with that. And so the. So it's like there's no complaint and there's no. Yeah. So the charge against investors and all that. 01:17:28 ended up failing, but all the medical stuff and the fraud against the American people went through. So she is convicted to 11 and a quarter years. So that puts her getting out in 2023 and sunny. 01:17:44 she was convicted for eleven and a quarter years, and so that puts her getting out. Oh sorry, she was ordered to surrender in twenty twenty three. Yeah, she will get out in twenty thirty four. So is she in prison then she's in prison. She's in federal prison camp, Brian in Texas, which is like a minimum security prison. Yeah, it's not a bad one. Yeah, I've seen no yeah. I mean pictures of her in prison, 01:18:14 I have picture. I can only find pictures of her reporting for prison. Okay. And so it's yeah, not great. And so she's there now. Sunny was also a part of the trial. He was found guilty on all counts and faced up to 20 years in prison and a million millions of dollars in restitutions, but he received only a sentence of 12 years and 11 months in prison and then three years of probation. 01:18:43 and so he surrendered in March of twenty twenty three. So I don't know exactly why his was. I would guess they're already out. I thought Elizabeth Holmes got out. Maybe she's still in she's still in. I don't know about son. I think that it won't be much longer before they're on twenty thirty four is her expiration. Yeah, and so I mean get probation. Yeah, you can be up for pro pro probably in a few years and I don't expect her to be the person who's getting in a bunch of fights in prison. 01:19:12 unless she's doing that deep voice thing stop doing that with your voice. Why are you now doing what my voice? You doing that with your jaw? You think it makes you look hot? Don't you that's from our favorite movie. That is from our favorite movie. 01:19:31 anyway, Madison picture Madison, so that's Theranos, huh? That's Theranos. That's the story of Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos and their blood thing. Okay, 01:19:45 here's was wild. She had a kid in twenty twenty didn't she? I don't know. Actually, I know she has a child. I have seen pictures of her holding a baby, so I'm she does have someone else does have a kid yeah and you know it's one of those things where like I mean I remember through cove it. She was just out living. She like a beach house. You know that's wild. That's wild that her 01:20:07 net worth can be zero and she could have a beach. That's what I'm saying is stuff like that. We're all like what the heck and like so she was out there living. I mean she she really did just try to soak up the last couple of years that she's had and then she's going to spend eleven years and then she'll be out after that. I mean that's the thing with the situation she was in because she had a net worth of four billion dollars and so when you have a net worth of four billion dollars, you're able to use that that equity. Yes as collateral to get giant loans right to essentially 01:20:37 bankroll your life yeah, and so she probably has even though this company fell apart because of that she probably has a really good assets. Yeah, she's going to be fine for the rest of her life. After that, like you can't and that's also part of the calculation. It's really hard to scrape your life when you're worth four billion dollars. Yep, it's really she did really screw her life. She got a prison sentence for it. Yeah 01:21:01 but she's probably once she's out yeah. She's probably going to live a better life than I saw us. You know I saw some today. This is a different thought, but it's about that same kind of what like the rich people think someone was talking about New York on online and they said that they really love the diversity of New York. Like you can be walking down the street and you'll walk past someone who's a millionaire and someone who's 01:21:17 and I said oh no, no, no diversity is not the word you're looking for. The wealth inequality is the word diversity. I just love how diverse this city is. I love how I love the wealth inequality here. That's great. You see how much worse that sounds that sounds inequality here anyway, but yeah, I is it's really hard. That's why you just got to get rich once yeah rich really hard to doesn't matter how 01:21:46 as long as I thought about this year. We'll talk about this in the after the fiddle. I've thought about some scams. I want to do all right man well. You know I'm going to have to fiddle off the IRS. Oh that's her laugh. That's really dumb. 01:22:09 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, we've got another one you might like called Stanley Meyer. He's the guy who invented a steam powered car and somebody wasn't a fan of it. A little spoiler alert. It does involve olive garden, so maybe go get you some more breadsticks, crack them crack them in half because that's how you breadsticks and watch that episode. It's a really good hot bread stick. I told me before this crack open a hot bread. 01:22:37 Jared said don't try to be funny because you're not good at it, and so here we are like crack over the press and it's like buddy, nobody do the out thing. Anyways, if you like this show and you want to see next week's episode early, you can do that right now over on Patreon. 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In recent years, few stories have captivated the public’s attention like the meteoric rise and catastrophic fall of Theranos and its founder, Elizabeth Holmes. The ambitious young entrepreneur once claimed to revolutionize medical testing, but her dream turned into a cautionary tale of deception and hubris. A Bold Idea That Captured Silicon Valley Elizabeth Holmes founded Theranos with a vision … Read More