Ruth E. Norman was an American spiritual leader who, in March 1976, placed a wager of 4,000 dollars at a Ladbrokes betting office in Britain. The bet was that aliens would land on Earth within one year. By then she went by the name Archangel Uriel, and she led a group in southern California that taught that a fleet of … Read More
This Cult Promised Aliens Would Build Us a College | Ruth E. Norman Ep 351
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Hey, man, what's up? I'm happy to be here. It's seven a.m. You're wearing these. It's bright. What you want for me, dude? You see the lights bright. I see the light. I thought maybe I would just, you know, I mean, I thought I would, I thought I would give myself a break from how bright these lights are. Okay. Alright. It's tough being in the spotlight, man. Oh, my God. Hello! It's me. I'll be your new wife. There's a soft peace and such a dead husband. I'm not in trouble. I am. Which trouble? Maybe our broken brains fit together. Things I learned last night. Keep them on. Keep them on. From the whole episode. Yeah. Why not? Why not? I was a freaking, um, I'm a CPR dummy. I'm not putting him in. Alright. Who is this episode about? Have you heard of Ruth E. Norman? Ruth? Not Ruthie. Ruth E. Norman. Ruth. Wanna see a picture of her? Sure. For the audio listener, I think she's dressed as Galinda, the good witch, right? I mean, that's look like that. That's not what she's wearing. That's not what she's wearing. She just happens to have the same style taste as Galinda. This is her everyday look. Yeah, just in line at the bank. You know what I mean? This has got to be the 80s, maybe, with the hairdo. Well, this is probably 2004. But she's had that hairdo since that kind of thing. Yeah. But yeah, this looks like a costume. But your time is not. Yeah, this is just who she is. Okay. What about Ernest Norman? Ernest Lee Lynn Norman? No, I have not heard of Ernest Norman. He looks like he killed her. Is that what this story is? He looks. This is like the photo they were using that's regretted documentary about. Like go back to her photo. Like a person so full of joy and whimsy. And then she married Ernest. You know what I'm saying? That's what this looks like. His eyes are crazy big. Like he's just like. Yeah. Yeah, this picture is not doing a lot of justice for what the crazy twist is. Is it the other way around is what happened? Yeah, she's the psychopath. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also takes out. Okay. So Ruth and Ernest, are they a couple? Yeah, they're married. They're married. Wow, man. I mean, I guess yeah, they can give me a lot of info. Yeah, that's fair. No, so Ruth, she is, we'll start the story in March of 1976. She's a grandmother. Yeah. Yeah. She's a grandmother in El Cajon, California. And she walks into this place called Ladbrooks. Have you ever heard of Ladbrooks? Ladbrooks? Ladbrooks? Yeah. Is it California? This is not in California. I was going to say this image. This is a British. Yeah, I was going to say this was European. Yeah. Ladbrooks. Yeah. And they had one in California. No, she is. She lives in El Cajon, California. She went to Great Britain to go to a Ladbrooks. Okay. So there was some information that you guys, okay. No, no, no, no, no. You guys hear that I didn't do that, right? No, no, no, no. Alex, you heard that, right? Yeah. He was like, she's from California and she walks into Ladbrooks. I mean, it's fair. I did miss, I did skip the part where she got on a play to win to London. Yeah. I think that's what you meant to say. I think it is what I meant to say. Okay. And I know that this is what Europe looks like because I've been like a lot of finishes all the time. And I was like, wow, this looks like European. You can tell because it's a little dirty. No, oh my gosh. They don't clean stuff. And like, look. I mean, it is a little dirty. It is. I'm a little dirty. It's a little dirty. I'm not saying like Europe is a little dirty. But this picture is a little dirty. I didn't say that. I didn't say that Europeans are dirty people. Yeah. You didn't say any of that. You did not say that. Right. Good. Okay. We're on the same page. So Ladbrooks, is this a tire shop? What is this? I could see that. No. It's like a team America money back. Is this like, oh, is this like a, like a, like a payday loans type situation? Close, sir. Okay. No, this is a bookie. Like a, like a, like a sports bed. Like a bookie. Like a bookie. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. How she used to be a storefront. You know, staffed a lot into the store. It was either a storefront or two guys and leather jackets behind the pub. You know, and you would go out there and they would be like, oh, what about for? We wouldn't put the money. Okay. Yeah. Not other jacket. Yeah. And now they pull out an iPad and they go, place your bets on Polymarket. And you go, huh? Okay. Like, I won so much on Polymarket and they're like, how much did they pay to say that? Dog. I watched the Mamdani interview with Theo Von. Okay. Interesting. It was, yeah, because I saw a clip and I was just like, this is a, you know, interesting pairing. Yeah. And I think Theo Von's sneaky smart. He pretends to play as a character. For sure. But it was very weird to be watching the episode. And Theo was getting worked up about how all these companies are taking advantage of. And Mamdani was actually making a case for this is why, like the, the wealth disparity gap is why people are doing gambling apps more. Yeah. And trying to play the lottery more is that it feels like you have to like get lucky and hit big to make it in our current society. And then the episode took a break. And it cuts to Theo being like, it was just so weird. Then it was like, it was like, Amen. Uh, you're, you know, you ever think you got inside info or you know, you know something but you can place a bet on it. And it was just like, he did an ad read for one of the bad apps in the middle of a conversation about how those are destroying our society. And that's where I was like crazy. It was, it was just like, I don't know who approved this. It was probably hit me probably thought it was funny. I guess drop it. I guess. What do the, I don't know. Do we need like a little sound or something that makes it seem like we have an outbreak sound. Yeah. We don't need to do the whole outbreak. People skip it. You know, cool, cool. Cool. Amen. It's me, Jared and my buddy Tim. And we just want you to know you can place bets on Cal sheet. Um, do you think that don't, do you think that we're going to make a joke about? Uh, I, I, I don't know. I really don't know. You're freezing right now. You're freezing. I'm frozen. I'm frozen. God. If you had placed yesterday, if you had placed a bet that Tim would freeze and not know what to say, you would have just won a billion dollars. You'd be rich right now. But you didn't place that bet. Wait. It's not too late. You're right about you. You're pathetic. Oh, okay. Uh, you know, anyway, back to our episode. And the ad scripts they give us were kind of mean. Now she was like tell him that their moms think they're losers. It's their most effective. Cal sheet. Si. Yeah. So, yeah. So she goes into a bookie place. Yeah, she goes into a bookie and lad broke. There's a reason the word broke is in it. She puts in a bet for $4,000. And the bet is that. In 76. 1976. Tim, what did you say? I cut you off. $4,000 bet. I missed the back. I missed the back. Aliens will land on earth within one year. Okay. I mean, here's the thing. She was confident of this because she is an alien. Well, or bring some back up. That makes a lot more sense. Because this looks like is this uh, this looks like. Oh, wait, are they cult leaders? Is that what this becomes? Because this looks like, uh, what's the, what's the guy? The, with that 90s website that exists. All the people, all the people who drank the Kool-Aid. I know. What are they called? Is it Heaven's Gate? Heaven's Gate. That's right. Yeah. That looked very Heaven's Gate sound. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So she pays, she goes in. She goes, I like to put $4,000. Yeah. Which in 1976 is a billion dollars. And that's, don't even look it up in the calculator. I know it. I've memorized the charts. And, uh, as you said, aliens returning within the next year. Kind of a long window, but sure. Yeah. Could you place bets like that at Ladbrokes? Yeah. Is this one of those things? This is Kelsey. They really were like, hey, you can bet on anything here. Yeah. Yeah. And they were making a big deal out of it. They were like bet on anything. You can bet on politics. We don't even care if you're a politician. We don't even care if you know you're going to do the thing. Bet's on if we clean the storefront though, and we're not going to. We're not going to do it. Yeah. Unless the aliens come back, then we'll clean up for them. Okay. So, so she's pretty confident because why? Well, she's really confident. I don't know if I would say because, but it's evidence by the fact that she just bought 67 acres in Jamal, California. Okay. Because she's convinced that's where they're going to land. And they're going to build their college there. They're going to build a college for humans to learn everything that they know. So they're going to come back and build a college. Okay. Sure. There's what things these humans need. It's to learn. Can you imagine? Can you imagine going to that school where all the professors and everything? You imagine going to a different planet. What's going on? Yeah, honey. Honey, I took a new job as a producer. This is a professor. I took a new job. We do have to relocate to planet six, seven, four, nine, six, seven, four, nine. There's no intelligent life there. It's seven. He's like, oh, well, there's no intelligent life here either. We can leave that. I understand. But we do need to make a college. We're going to make intelligent life. Yeah. We're going to go. This lady built this lady's going to donate her land. You should see the way she dresses. No. Very fancy looking for roots. She's going to build a college. Okay. Yeah. And she also got a hole in it. And it's not even a college. It's just they call it a college. But it's, you know, it's just like. Well, they call it a college. But you're a janitor. And you're a volunteer who sings in the worship team until four in the morning at practice. And they make you do a lot of stuff. And then like, you know, once you turn 22, they realize, you're not really that useful anymore. So they just kind of cut you loose. Yeah. And then college is going to start River Leadership College. They call it Aliens Leadership College. Oh, we'll call it James River Leadership College. Well, name it after the river in Southeast Missouri. Yeah. But is it this California? Yeah. And the whole strategy. Why is she in Europe placing this bet? Because that was where the bookies were. I mean, I guess she killed that. Did she like go to Europe to place this bet? Yes. Yes. Okay. That's a level of confidence. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She also got a full wardrobe. And she only had $4,000 left at the end of all this. That's what I'm saying. 4,000, like you fly to Europe. Make it 10. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're shocked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what the odds are. But even then like really good odds. You're walking away like the best case scenario. Like for sure. Like best case scenario. It's true. That's fair. And then she also bought a whole new wardrobe because she was convinced that aliens were going to take her on a world tour and to meet all the world leaders. She's like, she's like, they're going to want to meet everyone on it. I will be the liaison. And so I need a nice new wardrobe for this. They're going to want to meet everyone. Here's the thing, man. Imagine. I know I'm interrupting a lot. But aliens come to your house because you bought them land or whatever. And they're like, yeah, you can build a school back here. Yeah. And they go, all right, we'd like to meet the king. And you go. Yeah. Set it up, Tim. Hey, yeah, what do you do? That's what I was saying. Hello, the king. Like, they don't need you. If that's what they're going to do. Yeah. Like you can't make that happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's like when people are like, I did the cruise. And these people mean well, but we're at lunch and someone's like, you were very funny last time. I was like, thanks. And like, have you ever thought about going on Jimmy Fallon? And I'm like, I'm sitting there like, oh, damn, I wish I thought of that. I didn't occur to me to try to get on the night show. I thought of that. Oh, my gosh. They're like, yeah, and maybe you can get a Netflix special. What? I never even thought that that was an option. Why didn't I think of that? What is this Netflix special? Like, that's the thing, man. Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah. So like, they don't need you. Yeah. But, okay. So she bought all this wardrobe. That's what that picture was. Yeah. That was one of her outfits that she was going to say. She was going to walk into the prime minister's mansion and be like, I have brought you in. Hello. It's me. Ruth. And I have brought good news. Well, the good news. The good news. The important thing at this point, she wasn't going by Ruth. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously, I was gonna go by Stardnarch or whatever alien method. What is it? She, at this point, was going by Archangel Eurial, Queen of the Archangels. Oh, yeah. So obviously she's the Queen. I would like to place a $4,000 bet that the aliens are gonna return within a year. Great. Okay. Money. What's the sail. That's the first day's date is what? March 1976. March. Any day. 1976. I don't have an Apple Watch because it's 1976. And I also don't have a calendar. So we're just going to play March. Well. And what name should we put on this bet? Archangel. You're real. You're real. You're real. You're real. You know, you're real. You're real. You're so you're trying to say me your name is you're real. Suspicious. Suspicious. So. But we will take this bet for sure. Yeah, we're deciding to do this. Who decides what the like at Ladbrokes? There's obviously an algorithm on Kowshi but who at Ladbrokes is like deciding what the odds that they're going to accept are you know saying? I mean, I think someone comes in and makes a bet and they say, yeah, we'll take that bet. Okay. I think that's how it works. But that's what I mean though is that like you trust the person on the front counter to be like, yeah, we'll take that bet. I think so. Okay. All right. That's my I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think so. I've never been to a store fun bookie before a strip mall bookie. Yeah. It's just next to the Apple store in the Glendale Galleria. Sure. So I think next to build a bear. Yeah, between the two. So I think the best place to go from here is to kind of rewind a little bit to how we got to this point, because I feel like we kind of like pedal to the metal into this story. Okay. Talk about Ernest Norman first. We haven't we haven't talked about Ernest Norman. Yeah, Ernest Norman is her husband. He was born in Logan, Utah in 1904. Okay. He's the fifth of eight kids. Yeah, Mormon. Yeah, probably I'm in the Logan. Yeah. And he was like a pretty intelligent kid. He was like when he was a kid, he was making microscopes for fun. And he was using like weird, mathematic principles to solve problems throughout his house. Sure. All that type of like typical things you hear of like a really smart kid growing up, like looking back at their child and how they did crazy things that most kids aren't doing. You know, he moved to California age 17. And when he got to California, he kind of took a weird turn a little bit. He had been very like pretty grounded, pretty scientific kind of guy. And then he got into clairvoyance and palm reading and fortune telling. And he win. I was just looking at my hands. I was just taking a gander. And then he went during World War II. He was like, oh, this is a perfect opportunity for me to help with my skills. And so he would go find the women of people whose husbands I thought this literally just yesterday. I was like, is there a documentary or a book or something about all the men who didn't get drafted? What they did like because you just look up and it's like you're one of 10 in your town now. There's just not a lot of guys around anymore. Yeah. And what life was like for those guys? Yeah, that's interesting. That is interesting. I have never thought about that. Because like there's just no man around. Yeah. There's old dudes. There's old guys. Yeah. And you for some reason. All the guys draft Dodgers and people that the military was like, nah. Yeah. That's what I mean. And like, and also just like a lot of lonely women. And you're just, oh, and it's the 40s. Yeah, that's crazy. So you're just, you're just like, hey, duts. That's crazy. And she's like, ew. She's like, I'm trying to wait a little more. She's like, ew. And then three months into this war. She's like, yeah, you know, he's the only guy around. There's only one guy in this town. Yeah. It's like it old people homes. Yeah. You know, whenever someone's wife dies and then all the women line up with cast roles to be like, I'll be your new wife. And then they're like, oh, okay. Yeah. Interesting. I mean, yeah. Just think about it. I just thought about it yesterday. That's an interesting thought. And I've never thought about it. I don't remember why I was saying about that. I don't remember how that came up with my brain. But well, honestly, that's probably what this guy was doing now that I think about it. Because he would go and he would find women. And he would tell them where their loved ones were. And that's what I mean. Because he would go and he would find women. And he would tell them where their loved ones were. And usually they'd be dead. And so he was like, he was just, he was just, he'd be like, oh, they died. Yeah. Let me see your hand. It was such a soft hand. And such a dead husband. What the heck? We should kiss. I don't make it better. Let me see your hands. He's a goner. Yes, I know. Take time to process. Yes, I know. Try my shoulder. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Hey, we just produced the price of our Patreon to $6.99 a month. That's one price for everybody. You get all the perks. You get the live hangouts. You get to join the Discord. You get early access. Whichever reason you're joining for, we wanted to make it one price. Because I hate that everything in the world is going up in price. And so we wanted to make this a little bit more affordable for everyone to do. And so, but also, you know, the other goal is that more of you join it so that we can keep funding the show. I mean, like, what, you know, how do I say that? That sounds like we're poor. And we are. We are. And, uh, no. But if you can't join us on Patreon, no worries at all. Another way to support the show is by sharing it. Please tell somebody you like the show. And thanks for being here for this episode. No, it's just like the dear John letters, like the amount of women who, so, uh, you know what? That's where I was listening to it. I was, I was, uh, there's a book called something myth, the myth of the greatest generation, you know? And there's this idea that they went off and won the wars and then came back and had two and a half kids each and were first in the whole time. And they all got saved. And like, uh, but honestly, they had the highest of horse rates of any generation ever. Yep. You know, up to that point and still. Yeah. And also like the dear John letters and just the awful PTSD that we didn't know they had. 100%. And, uh, and so anyway, but yeah, that's why I was thinking about it. I was like, what do we, what about the guys that didn't go? Just chilling, starting cults. You know? So he was telling all these women that their husbands died. And then he realized, oh, that was hurting morale more than it was helping. And so he stopped doing that. He's like, I'm not helping anybody. Yeah. Uh, and so he continues doing kind of his esoteric things. Well, but then their husbands come back. Yeah. And then, yeah, and then he's a hero for telling you. And he's like, he's like, he's like, your husband's a goner. But I know why you can bring him back to life. Oh, no. Oh, you got to kiss me. Where's my hug, though? Like I was like the worst guy. Where my hug, though? So he gets back. He's still doing his esotericism. But he doesn't really do any of this war stuff anymore. Sure. Let's look at Ruth for a second. Ruth was born in. Oh, we got a lot to do. He's pushing 100 and Indianapolis. And her family moved to Pasadena. 1900. Yeah. Thank you. Her family moved to Pasadena. And her dad was an upholster. Didn't make a good living. So she received very little education. And as soon as she was old enough to work, she went and started working as a fruit packer, as a milk maid. There's all these different things that kind of help the family out. Yeah. She later recounted that her dad was like abusive growing up as well. So like not a great upbringing. Like not the best, uh, uh, childhood. And so she, or she, when she turns 18, she moves out. She works in restaurants. She does a little bit of modeling. She does real estate. She works at a resort. She's a nanny. So she's kind of bouncing around jobs, trying to find what she can do and how she can, uh, make a living. And then in the 40s, she discovers spiritualism. Um, specifically channeling and past life regression. You know what these are? Yeah. Okay. Um, if you're listening. You don't know a past life regression is where you think back and you close your eyes and you remember your past lives and ideally, I think the goal is that you work through the problems from your past lives, your failures and your mistakes. And that's supposed to like fix your karma and like help you have a better life today. Um, and set you up for better future lives is the idea. Channeling is what Sharon's doing over here. Oh, sorry. I was a wasp in my last life. Oh, that's past life regression. Channeling. Channeling is what we changed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Channeling is where you have close my eyes. I was imagining my previous life. I thought you were trying to channel. Yeah. I was. Channeling looks as if I was a blogger. But best. I got swatted with a fly swatter because I stung someone. No, I would never do that. I would never be a sticker. I'm a blog. I would never stick it. I'm a lover out of stingers. You know? No, he, uh, and if I was a worm, I would still love my wife though. If we were worms, yep. Yep. I was going to ask you if you kill me. I should probably let you finish. You finish what you're saying. Yeah, you're right. That's on me. If I was a worm, I would let you finish what you were saying. I can't talk because I'm just a man. The first thing he has a man, I'm a big dumb guy. Let me see your head. I think you're husband's dead. You're husband's dead. You're husband's dead. All right. I'm sorry. That was really funny. Channeling is where you channel the spirit of something speaks through you. Something speaks through you. Some alien or something. You're a vessel. Yeah. And you let them speak through you. And channeling was really popping off at this time. It was like a big, big pop. Really? It's a channeling. Yeah. Um, and she got really into this stuff. Sure. And that's how she was this guy. In 1954, she goes to this conference for experiences in conference. Ernest also goes. Ernest sees her from across the conference hall. And he goes and he says, hey, I just had like a psychic event. And like I. Eyes of the vision. You and I. Together forever. Are you married? Well, your husband's dead. And I think I could replace him. Well, your husband's dead. No, he says he says I just had like a psychic event. And I believe that you're actually the Pharaoh's daughter who protected Moses. That was who you were in a past life. And this is like she goes. You're right. And so they get married literally that day. They shut off. They get married right then. And they're like, oh, yeah, this makes sense. And so they're like, we must be soul-connected. I don't know why I am saying that to her is like such an approach. Because they're both broken brained people at a conference for channel. Like, what do you mean like, I don't know why? That's what that's what happens at those conferences. You meet other broken brains. Yeah. And you go, hey, maybe our broken brains fit together. Maybe our broken brains. And they go, yeah. So they get married and they become like the esotericists. Esotericists. Esotericists. Esotericists. Esotericists. Okay. Where they're writing books and all this stuff. And so Ernest writes all these books about Venus and Mars and how. How are these people making money? Is what I mean? Like, you know, like, how do you have time to write all these books? You're not making money? No. You write books. You go to the conferences. You do appearances. Like, it's the same way anybody does in any of these industries. It's like, they're speakers. People, they're griffed. Yeah. And they take donations. Yeah. But I mean, like, okay, okay. I mean, like, how did you have the time to write the first couple of them? You know? Like, you just wrote this fat book. And you just sit down and you just let it flow. I mean, how did Jeff Bezos have at the time to start Amazon? He made it. He saw a goal. He said it and he made it. And so did Ernest. Ernest had a goal. He saw it and he made it. I don't like. Where was it? He is. How did Jeff Bezos do it? He's fine. He's set out with a goal and a dream. And he achieved it. Rich Dad. And you're a weak little loser. Rich Dad. We're not. Find the time. Loving him. Okay. Relax. So he talks about. Have you talked to your echo about Jeff Bezos? No. Let's try it. Have we done this in the podcast before? I don't think we've done this in the podcast. Oh, Alexa. What do you think about how rich Jeff Bezos is? I think he should give us all of his money. She's trying to like logic us out of it. Yeah. Yeah. If you keep talking to her and then you say things like. I think. No, I'm not going to. I'm not going to put this on a pot. You're not going to catch me. Alexa stop. But there was there was one night where I was talking to the one of my house. I said that. I said, I think it's gross that he has that much money and she started going on about how the business model works and how he started. It was. It was very defensive. That's actually what I did that before. That was the most balanced. I've ever. I didn't expect that to happen. When I've done that before, it didn't ask follow up questions or anything like that. So they must have. They must have been listening to me. Well, they put AI in it. Now they don't. Maybe that's for it. I was like, I think we should round him up. We should surround him in public at a giant mob. And then she was like, take all his money. She really was. And I was like, tell him. Tell him what I do that. Tell him that I take all his money. I have no way to contact her. I said, his email is Jeff and Amazon. I have a way to contact me. And so I know you do. Now, we're. Have we talked about that time you and I were on the phone and I was at my house and I. I made some joke about having a bomb on the phone with you. Do you remember that? Yeah, right. You're saying it on our podcast. Sometimes that's a joke. I'll say I have a bomb. That's a funny joke. The YouTube algorithm is going to kill us for this. Sorry, not kill us. I just don't believe it. It's far enough. It's far enough for the episode. Okay. And then, but then my echo, I didn't even say like. Sorry, calling number one. My echo was like it sounds like you're in danger. That's what it said. It was like it sounds like you're in trouble. Would you like me to call emergency services that I was like, no. I'm not in trouble. This guy is making a threat. I'm not in trouble. I am the trouble. All right, Tim. I am the one who knocks. All right, relax. So he puts out this book called The Voice of Venus and a lot of other books. And so the books are like, hey, Venus is actually like a lush planet with cities and populated. Mars is the same. Everything about space, like there's all these other civilizations. And it's like there's this hierarchy of aliens and we're the lowest and all the stuff. We're the lowest. We're the worst. Yeah, we're always the lowest in every form of improvement stuff. So he turns her into a channeler. Like he like fosters channeling in her. So she starts channeling. And like, it's interesting because they do this. And who is she channeling? Cause like the pushar guy, he claims to be channeling pushar. One guy. Yeah. Is that how all channeling works? Um, no, some of them sometimes is just like, hey, if anyone wants to talk. I think it's like an open mic. You know, all the aliens are just like, you know, flash the light in your eyes when you're done. You're at time, buddy. They go, all right. I guess I'll just. Hey, everybody. I, uh, and they just go up there. They tell Mitch Hedberg jokes. I think most of them have like a single person that they channel. Okay. But some of them like Ruth is like, they've got this whole army of channeling people. Sure. Um, and so, uh, they, they start making some pretty crazy claims, um, where like in a past life, he was Jesus and she was Mary. Um, which is an interesting dynamic to choose. And now we're married. And we kids. So. Wait. Run it back. You're, you're Jesus and Mary and Mary is Jesus's mom. Best Quebec. She is my mommy. It's just like if you look at the reports, like it seemed like they contracted themselves. Cause sometimes she's Mary Magdalene. Sometimes she's Mary, Jesus's mother. So they do. And I think it's because they don't know their lie. I think it's because they don't know there's two. Okay. They don't realize that. Yeah. I think it's because they're lying. So. That's my guess. I think it's because they're just making stuff up. So they do kind of start to form a little bit of a cult following. Uh, and they're followers. You say a little bit of like a, how big does this group? I don't have any numbers at this point. Um, but there are things where it's like they had 12 followers. Yeah. I don't know at this point how many followers they had. Okay. But, uh, but what they did is they would have these students, these followers. And what they were told was that, um, they either, the members of their, their congregation, if you will, they had all these past lives. And they had accrued sub karma that they needed to heal. Okay. And that karma was based upon the things that they had done to earnest and Ruth and past lives. Sure. And so the, each of these people had done something to them either positively or negatively. And if it was negative, they had to heal from it. If it was positive, they obviously like, sure, were strengthened in the community. And then in, uh, December, 1971, uh, earnest dies at the age of 67. Wow. I could see neck on when I feel like. Um, and so Ruth takes over as the leader of this group. And this is when things kind of get weirder. Interesting. Yeah. Usually when a cult leader dies, things typically either dissipate or get 20 times weirder. Yes. Yes. I can't wait to see what happens when one of us dies. It is interesting. Actually, well, uh, make a prediction of the comments for what happens when one of us dies. Oh, I thought you were going to be like, make a prediction of which one dies first. Make a bet on calcium of which one of us dies first. I think you know, my heart's too big. No, so she, she enlists one of the followers in the group to kind of ascend to become her partner as like the leader of this cult. Okay. And it's guy by the name of Charles Spiegel. Charles Spiegel is an interesting guy. Spiegel. Charles Spiegel is an interesting guy because he had, uh, he had played a few, or he had lived a few lives throughout his life. Uh-huh. Uh, most notably, he had lived as Napoleon, uh, obviously Pontius Pilate. Okay. And Satan himself. And so he had a lot of karma to a tone for is the point that that I think comes out of this. He's done some terrible things. Yeah. Um, to Ruth, particularly as so he was Satan. And then that's why God made him Napoleon. Yeah. He's like, you will suffer as a five seven million. You're going to be sure he's like actually not even that short. It's actually not even that short. Not even that short. Kind of tall or got a pretty tall tall guy. So, okay. So they moved to San Diego. Uh, and they rename Ruth. This is where she becomes arc angle, arc angel Uriel, which is actually an acronym. It stands for Universal Radiant Infinite Eternal Light. Uh, which is cool. Okay. Uh, and then Uriel. She is continuing her channeling. She's constantly getting channeled by Plato, JFK, Freud, JFK and Oppenheimer. Like, oh, it's significant figures. Oppenheimer. Yeah. What? Okay. Uh, and so. JFK. Jesus. All right. Uh, so she can channel. This isn't like just channeling aliens. This is channeling. Anybody? Okay. Yeah. Uh, even the Apollo one astronauts. Uh, like she's channeling. But we're still alive. Yeah. So. It's like that. It's like that. But imagine, imagine that you see a video online, right? Let's just take this present break. And someone's like, I'm channeling Tim Stone from Things I Learn That's Night Podcast. He says that he has a bomb. He thinks it's very funny that he has a bomb. He says, no, it's a good bit. No, it's a good joke. It's like a funny bit to have a bomb and throw it somewhere with it. It's like, no, the joke's really funny. It's like he's channeling and you're watching it. And you're like, yeah, I guess I would say that. Yeah, I guess that. The Apollo astronauts are alive. And then they said to me that this is what happened. Yeah. And then that gets back to them. And they're like, that didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's so much riskier to do. Like, you know, I don't think that the Apollo astronauts swim in the type of circles where that would ever get back to them. Swim in the type of thing. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I guess yeah, it wouldn't, it would be way harder for it to reach back to them in the 70s. Yeah. Now it would just show up on your feet and you're like, okay. Yeah, scroll and take talking to someone's channeling you. Yeah. No. And so, uh, and then I'm Jared Myers and I have some thoughts about recent events in the news. Oh boy, am I sick. I sure do need Tim's don't get well, quick trick. And what is it? It's simply chug an entire gallon of orange juice. Wow. I forgot. And then this shirt reminded me. I'm so glad that I have this shirt as a public service announcement, a public health service to other people around me. Do your part. Get this shirt shop.tillin.com. So she, she then gets a call from or a channel from a channel Nikolai Tesla. Okay. A call from. Is that how it work? That's what I'm saying. Is like, is she kind of like, oh, someone's trying to pass through right like, is it? Is channeling a thing where they sit down and like. Yeah. Space for it and happens or is it just like you're walking through the day and then you're like, hold on, I'm getting a message. Yes. It's like, it's like, it's, it's like you plan for it. Okay. You're like meditating to channel. And so this is in 1972. And this starts to kind of take it to where like she establishes this thing. And so she creates this community. The unaryous academy of science is what she calls it. Okay. So she gets a strip mall location. She buys a 19. A strip mall location. And actually, yeah, too. It's next to a little Caesars. It's like, yeah, the dry cleaners there and little seizures there. And then there's such a cult on the end. It's just a cult on the end. She buys a 1969 Cadillac Coupe de Ville. Okay. A blue one just like this. Beautiful car. And then she takes it to the shop and she gets some aftermarket modifications done. Okay. And she begins teaching this idea that the aliens are coming. Which theater is this? Are you sure this is the car welcome space brothers? Yes. What's the space brothers? The L.A. Three C. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's more that's that's okay. Go back because this is a this is a modern image though because there's a metro by T mobile up there. Yeah. So this is a car that's still around. Yes, it is. Yes. Okay. And so she she after she starts Chameleon Tesla is where she starts then getting this connection to the aliens. Uh huh. And she basically starts to teach that the aliens are coming. Uh huh. And they're going to return in March of 1974. The fleet will land. Well, what they're going to do first is going to be one flying saucer first. That's going to be the scout. Flying saucers is the thing. Yes. Flying saucer is going to land first. That's going to be a scout. And that scout is going to persuade the humans that they need the college. Um. So this is this is an admissions counselor kind of. And then there's going to be a thousand alien Armada 33 ships worth of the aliens top scientists bringing crystal computers and lost teachings from Atlantis. Uh and their goal is to start this college that is going to incriminate disease on earth. And so she is tasked with building or like I guess essentially creating the parking lot for them to land in. And so she buys the 67 acres outside San Diego. Okay. And these 67 acres were you guessed it purchased by donor funds for the right Academy of Sciences. She had spent the last couple of years like raising this money to be able to do this. How much money was that? Do you know? I don't know exactly how much money we don't have record of how much cost. And so she also that's where the money came from for her outfits. Yeah. Okay. Of course. Of course for her back. And she's like, I also would like to. Guys, please give money. We need to create space for them to land. I need outfits because I'm going to have to talk to every world leader and you guys don't want to be embarrassed. Yeah. I want to be embarrassed. I have a new outfit for every leader. Yes. Yes. I want to give to the buckets around also. Should we put some money on it? You guys want to go in together on a bench? Should we put some money on this thing or what? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the value of things like polymarket and cow she is that, you know, you know, really. The opinion is easier to read because people are putting their money behind it. Yeah. Right. Right. And yeah, of course, someone could put a lot more money on the outcome. But they want to achieve to kind of sway public opinion and make it seem like that's more important than that actually happening. But what do I know? Someone could also could bet on, anyway, insider trading. So, yeah. Let's do an ad read real quick. Okay. For cow she art sponsor this weekend. Remember, a year ago when my agent was like, Hey, man, how do you feel about Fandall? And I was like, I feel like you know how I feel about Fandall? And he was like, yeah, but it's like $10,000. And I was like, I like Fandall a lot. You didn't actually do it though. I still turn it down because I have principles. And I'm broke because of it. I hate. Do you have a nasty principles? Cow. Wait, dude. I wish I didn't have a conscience. So March 1976, she puts the bet says that within a year they're going to come in. Here's the thing. This was the bet was like, it was fanfare. And so she went and she did this and this became like a televised thing. Like they got the attention for doing this because Yeah, because she's putting her money where mouth is she's not saying. So it really was the same like legitimate. Yes. I was joking. That's what people say about power market. That's what people say about the betting markets. Yes. It's like, Hey, if she's putting money behind it, this is she she's pretty serious. Yeah. And so the press loves this. The press is like, of course, she put a $4,000 bet. She flew all the way to Europe. She bought 67 acres of land. She really believes that this is going to happen. And you should do. What was the media saying about actually though? I mean, they were just kind of reporting. They were like, yeah, one place of bet. This is the 70s news was different. They kind of. Sure. Today's top story is a woman placed a 4,000 bet that aliens would return. And also four people were murdered in front of the police. They did nothing about it. They did nothing about it. We'll see you again in 9 p.m. And now, Johnny Carson. And now, tonight's show, which if you're not becoming comedian, you should really try to get on this thing. I don't know if anyone's told you that. It's the news in 1976. They're like, they're like, yeah, this lady put a $4,000 bet on aliens returning the cops didn't do anything about that. And now Kevin Hart. And now Kevin Hart. So, okay. So a year goes by. Yeah, obviously nothing happens. Nothing happens. Then we know about our dumb human brains probably blocked it out. No, she says that, oh, actually, I messed it up. I messed it up. I messed it up. Here's why. The math's always wrong. So here's the thing about Ruth that I guess we need to address that we haven't said. She says she's lived about 50 lives over millions of years, which timeline doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe there's gap time in there. I don't know exactly how that works. And the list of people that she's lived in or that she was lived as was the founder of Atlantis, Queen Elizabeth, the first, Peter the Great, Charlemagne, Kepler, Charlemagne the God. Yes. Host of the breakfast. Breakfast club. King Arthur. King Arthur. Who? King Arthur. Buddha. Snoop dog clip from the breakfast. Mona Lisa. And. And. Isis, the Egyptian goddess. Oh. Thank God. You're very smart. So she. And she claims that what had happened here and why she got the date wrong dates back to her past life as Isis, the Egyptian goddess. Because that there was going to be another return at that time. But just before she could usher in the return, she was assassinated. And the trauma from that assassination clouded her vision. Oh, of course. So she. She couldn't. She couldn't get the she correct. And so she said it's actually going to happen in 2001. It's going to be the real return. So. Finds her a lot of time to die. Yeah. I mean, is that in my run because she dies in like the what the 90s probably. So throughout the seven eyes in 1993, which she was like, oh, dang it. Now she doesn't know that you know, she's like, oh, that's going to happen in 2001, guys. Yeah. So in the late 70s, she builds a TV studio throughout the 80s. They're airing a broadcast on public access television all about their stuff and their theology. Right. And in 1988. Okay. Ruth breaks her hip. And so she goes to hospital. 88 year old woman happens. And so she breaks her hip. She goes to hospital and she's in the hospital. And all of her followers are like, we have to help. And the only way we can heal her is if we heal from our negative karma towards her. And so these followers, they dress up. Yeah. Simply having my dad's car accident. I was in the room with them and I was doing this in the corner. He's like, what are you doing? Healing you by healing me. Oh. I am healing both of us. She's here. Get the heck out of here. You're saying that because because of all the karma that I've put toward you. And so her followers showed up to the hospital dressed as their past lives. And they walked into her room. And they said, and they basically like confessed of the terrible things they did to her in a past life. Apologized for it and like asked for forgiveness. And they like were convinced that this was going to heal her hip. But to me, it's just so interesting. Like the scene to be that nurse you come in for like the next dose. And there's like eight people dressed in like a Victorian wear, ancient Egypt. And they're sobbing. They're like, yeah, they're sobbing. I'm so sad. That is so scary actually. He was. I'm so sorry for what I did. I'm so sorry. It's like a ring fair. I think if we get a ring fair nurse just standing around sobbing. Like apologizing. Yeah. And you're like, it's okay. You're like, okay. I stabbed her 700 years ago. And that's why she broke her hip. Yes, you're right. And actually, let's get in the elevator and go down to the 18th. Because I want you to meet a doctor down there. I want to meet you. I want you to meet the guy who does justice to the stabbers. And it's the elevator's open dark floor. No AC. Not like everything else in the hospital is pristine and clean. This floor just clearly not supposed to be there. It's just speagled. And it's just there. Pain in red. Hey, no clothes. I'm safe. What? The heat has turned all the way up on this floor. I'm sitting. Like, is this... It doesn't seem like a normal hospital thing to do. Oh, I rented this floor. Well, I'm not a person who expects normal things. So I believe it. Oh, hello, Satan. They're doing a weird voice. I'm sorry for what I did. Who do you have been in the past? Who would I have been in the past? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, interesting. I mean, my life's been mediocre. So like... Sure. My karma wouldn't have been great. So like, I probably would have been someone who's just like fine. So probably no one you've heard of, because it wasn't... Okay. It wasn't bad enough for my life to be horrible. It was also good enough that my life is just kind of whatever. Cool. What about you? It's a great question. Um... Golly, I think I would have been... Just a soldier who died in every battle that's ever existed. Just a front lines guy who was like, let's go first person that died in there. And everyone died. Yeah. That actually, like way back, you probably were really bad. If you were... I'm not good at war. That's why I should die in them. But I am eager. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So... That's what this said. Okay. So... She then... She heals, of course, but that wasn't had nothing to do with their little powwow. It was the doctors. She gets out of the hospital. And they continue their grief. Well, you don't know that. It couldn't be, because those people apologize. No. No thing so. And then... But then that does validate them, for sure. They're like, we... They're like, we heal there, of course. Yeah. Of course. And so... And then in July 12, 1993, Ruth finally dies. Wow! I should have put some money on that. I should have placed it back, because... Or run it back earlier when I said... Yeah. And it was interesting, because after her death... I'm... She died in 93? Yeah. And then I was born like nine months later. Interesting. I am Ruth. Well, and you should give me all your money. She dies in 93. And she kind of becomes like... Like a full-keyer outside of their group. Of course. Yeah. And so she gets the point where like... MTV runs like a... The Music Awards uses her as like a character in the 1996 Music Awards. She's a cover of books. She had a film series in Los Angeles. Like, there was a whole like... This... She became big, like way bigger than her little community. Okay. After her death. But it lasted only a couple of years. There's 2001 came along. Kind of close. In 1997, Heaven's Gate happened. Oh. And this changed the public perception of these groups specifically of the alien angled cults. Got it. Because that was what the Heaven's Gate was, the aliens are coming. We have to kill ourselves. They can take us. Right. And so she... Her like... Like a... And the excitement around her suddenly changed. And it was like... Oh, these were griftuous. You were like taking advantage of legitimately mentally ill people. These are like dangerous all of a sudden. And it wasn't like that. And so that... Like, there are still some of her followers out there that still exist. And they... Like you said, like... Yeah, that was a modern picture of it. Yeah. And so there's... And that is her car. That's her car. Yeah. Wow. And so it still exists. They still have her little storefront. And like, they're still putting out books and things. But it's... And she was around. Nothing like it was for those few years after she had passed. Oh, the aliens didn't come in 2001. I guess she clarified that. Yeah. She didn't put money on that one, though. So we knew she wasn't serious. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, the aliens didn't show up in 2001. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not in my previous life. You're Satan. I'm Satan. I see. I see a battle happening. You're Satan, obviously. Obviously. But you're so short. Just a short little guy. So I'm Satan. You're so mad. And I have a fiddle. And I hate you with him. I don't defeat you with the power of music. I'd defeat you with brute strength. Hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Things on the Last Night. If you liked it and you want to watch another one, if you're listening at 2.2 speed, that's crazy. I was talking like an auctioneer for a second. Hey, thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. This sucks me. Go listen to remote viewing. 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