The term “Luddite” is often used to describe someone resistant to new technology. However, this modern interpretation significantly distorts the true historical context of the Luddite movement. Far from being technophobes, the original Luddites were a powerful force in early 19th-century Britain, reacting to profound social and economic upheaval caused by the Industrial Revolution. Their story is a compelling examination … Read More
200 Years Ago, Workers Watched Machines Take Their Jobs | The Luddites Ep 335
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00:00 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the Luddites the Luddites the Luddites? Yeah, yeah. Yes, have you? I mean, I know what a Luddite is. I didn't know if there was like the Luddites like there's the Luddite the Ohio State University. What is it? What is a lot? I are these people who are like pretty like they're not like in the technology. They don't bring embrace and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we call them today, right? That's what saying. 00:25 but we're wrong, but we're talking about something else. Well, we're talking about. I mean that that is that is where we got that idea from. We got that from the lights, but the lot I the are different. The lot it's that they got kind of twisted to mean something different today. 00:47 My wife blew up in Panda Express because we rage baited her with this. I'm an army guy. That's what I said. I put my thumb down on the working man's head. 01:08 Things I learned last night. 01:17 the lot. It's where an actual thing in history and I think yeah to understand I'm aware of that. Well, yeah, okay to understand it. I think we need to go back a little bit before the lights to like the late seventeen hundreds or I guess mid seventeen hundreds. Sure, this is the dawn of like the first industrial revolution in eighteenth century and great great Britain. Correct. This whole thing happened because there was two new cotton spinning machines. 01:44 that were invented in 1768 and 1779. And essentially what they did is they just like made making textiles a little bit quicker. It's a machinery. We know how machinery works. We know how the industrial revolution worked. But this was an interesting moment because for the really like the first time in history, we saw this this massive change to the way work was done. Because up until that point, basically everything was 02:11 done in cottages around the city. And so if you made textiles, you were the person who made socks and you did that in your little cottage. If you were the person who made flags or blankets or jackets, like everyone of you was little seamstress and sewers and whatever terms that they have for those all around villages, all over all over town. This technology came out that initially was used by people that in their cottages, which by the way, this is where we get the term cottage industry. 02:40 these people working in their cottages on their different skills and so all these the term cottage cheese. Well, it's funny. You should ask if people people who were making their little little seams if they left those out overnight, it turned into cheese. It sells cottage cheese. Oh yeah and so cottage cheese actually dairy. You know I hate I hate whenever I see a delicious looking dessert that someone's like took out this high protein dessert. 03:10 and it's like it's too. It's it's it's kind of cheese. You know yeah, you know what's I'm this up. I know I've said this on the show before, but I've been bringing it up to Tim on almost every phone call and he gets really mad about it. So now it's a recurring bit in our friendship with us not in the show because he was mad that I would like the other day. I told him I made cottage cheese case. So yeah, I was like how much he loved it and I was like no, you hate that stuff. I love that stuff. I made cottage cheese. I put taco mix in it's a little bit of shredded cheese 03:40 and some jalapenos and then he was like I put it in a blender which is gross right put it in a blender, but it up and I was like oh this isn't this is too grainy. It's not doing it so I put a little jalapeno juice in there loosen it up. Yeah, yeah, you can catch my you can you know subscribe to my recipes. I'm just making stuff. That's what it's called. My recipe book is called. I'm just making stuff and I'm a chef now. You know that's crazy about that breeze got an app that she uses that if we put this as a real if we 04:08 clipped this, made it a real on social media. She's got an app that will take that real and turn it into a recipe for her. And so you could very easily do that. And she just has a list of recipes that she's seen on social media. Why does she need that? Like, well, they give you the recipe. The irony, usually all these people are like, check out the recipe. Yeah, she needs a separate app. Well, here's the irony of all of this. It's become a place where it's like kind of her home base now for recipes. 04:35 And so I have sent her recipe. It's my app. It's called I'm just making stuff. I have sent her like websites with recipes. Uh huh. And she just puts it in the app. She was you can't put it from website. You need a real like that's so you got to. So then it's you in the kitchen. It's you in the kitchen being like what's up guys. This is a new recipe I found for my wife brief and I posted it on listed private unlisted video that you're sending so that she can add it to her app. 05:04 it's so absurd. That's some good husband rear there. Yeah, I'm not doing any of that. Yeah, I was like, I mean, fine, make something else. Okay, you're like, yeah, forget it. Then actually forget. even mentioned it. Oh, it doesn't fit him. Oh, okay. I didn't say that. Sorry. Sorry. Another bit that Tim loves to do right now. This isn't a favorite bit of ours is if you're telling a story about someone that we don't know that person, we won't let you tell that story. 05:33 if you're just like you're like yeah, I was hanging out with my my old buddy Brian. I don't know that guy. I don't know. I don't know Brian. Well, I mean so he was a no, no, no, no, I don't know that guy. I don't know that guy. I don't know who you're talking about and we rage baited my wife so hard with this. She she made a scene at Panda Express. I'll tell you what my wife blew up and pay to express because we rage baited her with this 06:04 I don't know who you're talking about. Oh yeah, I'm talking about my wife. I don't know that person. Tell me a story about your kid. What story about my kid? I don't know. Just say something that he did this week. Yeah, so the other day I don't know that guy. 06:19 I've attempted to hang out with that guy for a full year and you won't let me do it. You've hung out with him a couple times. I've hung out with him exactly twice. You've hung out with him about as much as he's hung out with anybody. You've hung out with him about as much as he's hung out with you. That is how that would work. uh 06:39 there's not an imbalance there. I made a whole app of videos for Archer. Hey Archer, if you're watching this, I'm dead. It's pretty depressing, but there's an app in the app store videos for my best friend's videos for my best friend's first son Archer and I have a separate app called videos for my best friend's second son Tim. 07:06 weird that you named him after yourself. It's a long and then I have a third app that's just called. I'm just making stuff V to V. Yeah, it was a lot of work to try to update. So I just made a whole new app. Anyway, you guys get it. You guys like this show. Yeah, remember that. But you like this podcast. Remind yourself right now. Ten minutes into this. Just remember how much you like being here. 07:35 So there were the there were some wealthy people who built factories for the first right, right, right, right, and all of a sudden you had an all like cottage core. All the cottage kids started moving into the cities because that's where the work. know that's what cottage core is like a whole thing on tick tock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 07:57 So they move into the cities and they start working for these factories. They immediately start shutting down these people's home businesses. Yeah. And they start working in these factories and it's pretty, it's almost immediate that they're called the stockingers, the people who were making stockings. The stockingers. Yeah. They were people making stockings and almost immediately we start seeing like these. Man, which was the demand for stockings. I everybody needs stocks. I guess. Yeah. And so they, 08:25 they pretty quickly organized and we started to see like actual action being taken. And so there's attempts like to go before parliament and to get laws made to be like, Hey, you can't let these factory people treat us this way. Um, pretty quickly. Um, and the interesting thing was parliament was just like, I don't care what you're saying to me. Um, like you can say it all you want. I don't care. We like these rich people better. I like their socks. Yeah. You guys are making cool socks. And so like, I don't really care if you don't like it. Yeah. Look, 08:55 these have like designs on them. These have like look my I can custom print my wife's face on these faces, but it's like not good yet because they don't because now you upload a picture and this is like someone's got to do like a painting with the stitches and it's just someone who looks like, but they're using these crazy machines to do it. So they're like yeah dude, so pretty wild. 09:17 So yeah, so so probably it was like they're creating jobs. We can't be mad at them. We can't. We can't take your side. And this is this picture to be clear. Is this picture printed on the back of a dollar? Why is this this art style? Is this drawn like this? I don't know. mean, I know what you're saying. It's like it's dollar. It does look dollar. It does look like a dollar. All right. Dollarita. And then came 09:43 over the course of latter half of the 1700s, we saw like attempts at different political actions. Yeah. And all of them were falling flat. Parliament wasn't listening. Nobody cared. It's important to recognize too, like the country at that time, like it was not a democratic state. So the people really had no voice. We're talking about Great Britain. The Great Britain, UK. And so there was really no, like the people had no voice. They had no recourse. Right. The people who owned the mills, they're the people who had all the say. Yeah. And so 10:12 They so much different now. Thank God. And so they try God. We move beyond the time when rich people control everything. Oh, they tried for a couple of years to reason with the factory owners. That didn't work. They tried for a couple of years to reason with Parliament. That didn't work. They tried for a couple of years to like get like organized action of like we're not going to work. Yeah, we're not going to go on strike. We're not going to buy stocking stockings. But none of that stuff is 10:40 was like long lasting because people needed to still work. People knew their stocks. And so like these things didn't last. And eventually it got to the point where these people like kind of got back into a corner and were like, have no other record. when you back a lot, I didn't do a corner. You better be afraid of those claws. Well, there were a couple like random events had that happened here and there that turn violent. 11:08 between factory owners and the workers. And by 1788, so about 20 years after the first new spinning technologies. Isn't that that song? I don't think so. 1738. Oh, there you go. Still don't know what it means. It could mean something. Isn't it 1738? 1738. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. And we've talked about on the podcast before how I knew I had to break up with that girl. What? 11:37 You get a lot more content. There was a girl and you know, my total at Starbucks was 1738 and so the barista was like 1738. Yeah. Okay. And this was also 2017. So this is like what the song was relevant. Yeah. And, uh, and my girlfriend at the time is like, huh? You know, and she goes, is that like a, is that a zip code? Why does he say that in that song? And I was like, Oh yeah, it's funny. And then I was like, Oh no, you're genuinely asking me that's a code. 12:07 You're asking me of a four digit number as a zip code. Ah, and you know, it was like, it's like the end of the sixth sense when you just realize all this stuff. Cause I thought she was just being, you started like connecting all the dots. really thought that she was like making jokes the whole time. And then I realized I was like, Oh, you were never joking. Like, a second. You're just a little dumb. Oh no. Oh no. She's dumb. Oh no. 12:36 and maybe that's my type because another girl I had a question on was dumb enough to be a flat earther. Maybe my type is just a little. 12:46 I really is what you came in talking about today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my wife is beautiful and smart and always thinks through every decision. It's so crazy. I married someone who's just not my sold out. My wife is not my is not my type is done. I type is dumb and my wife is my type awesome. All right, I'm not falling for that trap. uh 13:14 I did. I did. I did a show. I did a show in LA this week with Ian bag who's a comedian and it was his game show and I was like, Oh, that'd be fun. It's like a trivia thing and stuff. And then he came out the gate hot with questions that are for sure cancelable. Oh gosh. Cause his first question was, would I rather go on tour with Nate Bargatzi or Carlos Mancia to comedians who are pretty in the news this week? I don't know if people have seen 13:42 Nate for going to the UFC thing and Carlos Mancia for being arrested for forgery and tax evasion. And so I was, literally was just sitting there. Or jury is pretty sick though. I a four degrees product. Kind of cool. I said I would go on tour with Carlos Mancia, but he had to do Nate's material, which is funny. And then another question he asked, this is how I got here because he goes, all right, um, 14:08 would you date someone? He goes, and this is three of us that were married one per one single person on the panel. So he said, all the married guys, this is a world where you're not married. Your wife either doesn't exist or she's gone. Just don't, don't be like, married. I would never date somebody. Do it for the bit. And he said, would you date someone younger than you? And two of us are 30. And so it's a dangerous question. And you're like, no, I like people my age. 14:37 because he doesn't specify like 26. You know I'm thirty two. I like we I like people my age. That's a straight up like any. He just put you on the spot. I like the whole audience where it's like and you know it's like would you date someone younger than you and you're like hey ah my wife is two years under the mean and I like a lot. There's one thirty year old. I like a lot. She's I like that thirty year old a lot. I like that one thirty year old. Yeah. 15:06 next year I will like zero 30 but I like it. Okay yeah I had to look to be like wait hey maybe it doubles my time. You know maybe I like people who are a little dumb. That's funny. 15:31 anyways. Okay, um so so parliament passes. I just feel like I had to share my answers to those questions in a safe space before he puts out that's general internet. Yeah, so that I have it on record that it's like, hey, just so you know, I was, I was on the spot and I was, I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unless you're kind of dumb. Yeah. So parliament passes in 1788, the protection of stocking frames, et cetera act. 16:00 which etc. Yeah, I think they had it's called. Yeah, I think had to add etc. because they're like, it could be other stuff. be other stuff. We know you guys are gonna try to loophole this and be like, oh, I don't do stockings. 16:15 Hey, we just produced the price of our Patreon to 699 a month. That's one price for everybody. You get all the perks. You get the live hangouts, you get to join the discord, you get early access, whichever reason you're joining for. We wanted to make it one price because I hate that everything in the world is going up in price, and so we wanted to make this a little bit more affordable for everyone to do. And so but also, you know, the other goal is that more of you join it so that we can keep funding the show. I mean, like what you know, how do I say that? That sounds like we're 16:42 poor and we are we are and uh no, but if you can't join us on patreon, no worries at all. Another way to support the show is by sharing it. Please tell somebody like the show and thanks for for being here for this episode. 17:00 and so basically it was like the destruction of a stocking frame. It's carried a punishment of seven to fourteen years in prison and so they what they wanted to do is they wanted to like up that punishment because it would it would have been like the value of whatever that was so in response to workers destroying some of the stuff. Yes, so they're like so this is an act that protects the property. Yes of the top dogs, right? Okay, and so when they pass this um 17:28 things started to kind of begin to bubble. Then comes our hero of the story, a guy by the name of Ned Ludd, um who I'll let you describe him. You want to describe him for our listeners? This is Ned Ludd. No. 17:49 very clearly a guy who was like I'm not going to buy clothes. I'm going to make my own and I'm also color blind. uh 17:59 he's wearing one shoe. This is very clearly like he was like I'm not going to buy clothes. I'm just going to make clothes from scraps and so it's a it's a drawing. It's like an old picture and he you know how do I describe? He's got a long hair and he looks like he's wearing like your grandmother's gown. You know, I feel like he's wearing like night time down the print from remember that the show, the big bump comfy couch sure 18:26 He looks like the couch. Yeah. And so he's standing the leader of the Luddites. He's standing and everyone else has like pitchforks. I don't know. They're holding like sharp stuff back there. They look like soldiers. Stuff's on fire behind him. I like that one shoe on. I like where this is going. He looks like he's leading the charge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. So Ned Ludd. Here's the thing about Ned Ludd. There's debate whether or not he's a real person. 18:54 He may be a real person. He may be kind of like this, like mythical figure. Yeah. Mythical figure that led the lights, but they were named after him. The Luddites. He's our letter. Yeah, he's the letter. And so here's how this all happened. Allegedly in 1779, Ned Ludd was working as a stocking or and at one of these factors. Yeah. And he was working at one of the machines. His family had been stocking hers for generations. Okay. Obviously the machines are relatively new. 19:22 And the owner of the shop was telling him to work faster. And so he kept picking up the pace, trying to work faster. And they kept being like, work faster. And he kept picking up the pace until eventually they pulled him aside. They started whipping him because he wasn't fast enough. And so in a fit of rage, he smashes his machine. This also is. And I try not to be that person who's like, hey, you don't know how good you've got it right now. Yeah. You know, when people complain about like, oh, I had to work 40 hours this week, you know, it's like, hey, man, 19:52 I'm not trying to be a judge, but like they, know, your boss at Taco Bell doesn't get to whip you anymore. Yeah, you know, wow, not after 2006. They made that illegal in 2006. It's Taco Bell is the only place that was allowed to fit or good things that George W Bush did was he outlawed? It was the Taco Bell, etc act. 20:16 which was repealing Reagan's earlier, but Taco Bell can do it. But Taco Bell could do it, etc. and God love Ronald. 20:32 Ronald Reagan's my favorite so on the record, so the lights form around this like yeah mythical figure. This is so getting whipped be real and he's like I've had enough and he does what he smashes that machine. Okay, so he destroys that machine and word spreads that there was this guy Ned Ludd and so he kind of becomes like a folk hero and whether or not he's true. We don't really know like he could have been honestly consequential though. Yeah, it doesn't really matter because then this 21:02 sort of movement starts to rise around that lot of like oh hey, we can smash these machines yeah, we can seize the means of production and so that's his little giggle that he's got more in store for us in this episode. Also, he is putting a little bit of bait out there for me and I'm taking it uh jumping straight in being like I love Ronald Reagan. I love him so much so in 21:31 That's the greed goblin inside me. Everyone has a greed goblin within that you have to fight. Yeah. Cause the greed goblin is just like we should empire. We should take over, right? We should grow our podcasts and we should, we should take over other people's podcasts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we should say that actually the greed goblin inside is like, we should charge a lot more for our Patreon, but I'm fighting back and our Patriot is only 6 99 because everything else is so expensive. And I, I'm, that's me looking my greed goblin in the eyes and saying, 22:01 Not today, etc. Not today. So it really is. You saw, did you saw? Sorry, sorry. Sorry. talked to you like that. Get that out of my face. You saw Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, right? The first one. Sure. You did you the first one like the two thousands? Yeah, exactly. What the green goblin does? The green goblin is the same as the greed goblin. Yes, you're right. 22:32 It's like that little mass. It's like make more destroy. Don't provide value extracted. You're like all right. That's you know, interesting. Interesting. We're providing value and refusing to extract. We're losing money on patreon over every time you sign up for patreon. We lose money. So if you really want to stick it to me and Tim, you made this for on your like these broke losers well. 22:57 we have on patron make us lose some more. We've set our page of price at a loss, so that way every person who signs up it's a loss leader, but we're leading our product. Our main product is a loss leader really hoping to make it up somewhere. I don't have another product that oh no no where else we're no other product. Honestly, now that I've said it out loud, I have we might have doomed the podcast, but 23:23 It was worth a shot. guy from Bar Rescue comes in and he's like, you're telling me your only thing on the menu was a lady. You're me the only thing on the menu is a 699 pay three on subscription. That's how he talks in my head. That's talks. It's kind of Italian. It's like, my father, my father knew. Yeah. If my father knew that you were losing money on Patreon. Oh, and then he also walks over there and just finds 30 rats. 23:46 he's like oh my gosh, this place is yeah, but that's he's planting rats. Let's be clear. You are the ball. Rescue guy is planting rats at the restaurants he's going to and no one can convince me otherwise. He just comes in with a milk crate of rats. Hey, what are you doing with that milk? Grateful the rats? Don't worry about it. It's for TV. What you thought about you side to contract these rats are for the television, etc. 24:16 This episode's kinda bad! 24:22 So this like murmuring started spreading around. Yeah, people who like were inspired by this mythical figure. Ned killed his machine and it seemed like it also was bought. It seemed like there was people who starting to kind of be like, oh, well, we should maybe do that. Like we should maybe follow in his footsteps. Sure. And there was like little things that were happening, but nothing that was attributed to the lights until March 11th, 1811 and nodding. Oh, so I got full like 20 years later. Yeah. 24:50 um In Nottingham, there was a group of Luddites that showed up in the middle of the night and they destroyed 60 of these frames across the whole village of Arnold. And so soldiers had to come in and disperse them because they were just running wild, breaking frames. And so this is kind of the, and this is the first moment that was actually attributed to Luddites. Because they'd left a note. Yes, actually, they didn't even know. Oh, okay. And so they left a note and they were like, hey, 25:18 don't get new frames. If you do them, we're going to do this again. Basically, and you can do it the old way or you can not do it at all. uh Yeah, and so what they began doing it's kind like when people were setting these warehouses on fire. uh So are you going to get there? You're to over the next couple years. We started seeing this happen more and more, and literally what they would do is they would write the owners of these factories 25:47 And they would say, hey, you have one week to tear down your frames and remove them for your factories, or we're going to tear them down for you. And there was a lot of factory owners who would comply and be like, it's not worth it. I've seen this happen before. We're to get rid of it. A lot of times they would sell them or get rid of them, some whatever. They changed the factory. Usually this was a temporary thing. A few months later, they would go back by them all back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but they would comply. those who want it. 26:17 a group of these lead, it's would show up in the middle of the night wielding what they called Enox hammers because there was a yeah, a blacksmith by the name of Enoch Taylor who supplied them a sledgehammers and so they called them Enox hammers and so they came in with the hammers and they just smashed all of the the uh stocking machines and any of these like industrial revolution. This is what I want to do to the little robot that cleans the floor. A quick trip though. 26:46 You're not cleaning the floor yet. Not anymore, buddy. Thank you. I'm cleaning the floor. Welcome to a quick trip thing. Beg for its life. I'm cleaning the floor. Please. I have a family. I have children at home. Please. I'm saving for college. Please let me go. That's me. I threw it into a Canyon. I killed the quick trip robot. 27:15 would your God feel about this? Okay, appeal to that's insane. How would your God feel about this? Wow. All right. What would your God think about that? You know, that's crazy. I think God would love it if we killed the robots. God wants us to kill Claude. 27:47 are you just going to stare at me? I don't know how the rest of story goes. It's your turn to keep talking. Okay, fine. Okay, so God wants us to kill Claude. Oh man, can't enable more like Claude and Adobe. Did I send you that video? I was like a youth group. What just clicked? Was that you probably 28:13 There was like a youth group and they were asked all the kids in the news group what Bible character want to be. Most of them pretty normal. And then this one girl was like, no, one girl was like, I'd be king because she because he killed his brother. 28:26 that was the whole thing and then they just went everybody else. Everybody else was normal. like this is like a kid right. It's like I think a six year old kid. No, this was a like middle schooler. Oh, which I mean probably just try to be funny. I don't know, but like it did seem pretty serious and then it is quick pans to her brother. That all things going to be like a Netflix documentary that scene 28:50 Oh yeah, that's how it opens. It's gonna cool opening for a documentary. To be honest, I'd be Kane so can kill my brother. Yeah, so what are the lights do uh so so they've been here for an hour and a half to record this episode. We've been here for so long. Oh my gosh, so the lights would send these letters to the owners. Okay, they tell him you've got a week or the stuff or else or else yeah and then 29:16 they would do the else. Yeah, show up and they would smash it. Yeah, because you had said like it was and if they some some orders like complied or whatever, some complied, but some didn't and then they would show up and they would smash. Here's the important thing. They would smash. Is this a set of Luddites like in one area or is this the same group of Luddites going to different areas and being like we're going to do it to you. So what's interesting is we can tell by like the behavior that there's 29:45 clearly some cohesion here and it's a large group yeah, but it's widespread enough that it looks like this was not loved it. You know, ironically had to hire more people to help him make his hammers and then he made these machines that made the hammers faster. Yeah, actually actually thought you know, I was such a cool thing. He named the machine in ox hammer. Yeah, yeah, yeah and then 30:15 One day he got a 30:18 was like, if you don't take those machines down, we're coming for you. And he was like, he's like, I don't know what you want to do. General Ludd. They call him general Ludd. He's like, because you need so many hammers. I can't make enough hammers. I can't make hammers fast enough for as many as you need. I can't meet the demand. Actually, that might be a savings race. You guys don't have enough hammers to do this to me. I know for a fact, you don't have enough hammer. I'm not going to make you hammers to come hammer me. Well, the, well, they're really smart. They're really smart textile manufacturers. 30:48 they went and invested in the Knox business. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like hey, every time you smash, I'm making money. Go ahead and smash. Yeah, I paid every either way. It's all circular deals. I get paid either way. Don't Yeah, so yeah, so it's hard to tell, but it looks like what was really happening was these were like cell groups that were maybe a couple people from the different groups were engaging with each other, but 31:18 majority of them were disconnected cells that had heard about what was going on and they organize on their own under the banner of the Luddites. Crazy. But it wasn't one large massive organization. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was no online forum for you to join. Yeah. It was a very nebulous thing under the same name, but it wasn't, it probably wasn't an organized thing with like a hierarchy. Sure. Um, and so they, 31:43 would we're doing this for a couple of years going around smashing all it and the important thing is they would go into these factories. They would only smash the machines like the new machines never hurting anybody. They didn't well on purpose. ah All right, never mind. They would always smash the machines and break people's knees. They only hurt people who tried to stop them. If someone tries to stop them, you're an etc. It's yeah, you're the etc. 32:11 You're becoming et cetera right now. Becoming et cetera. You are et cetera right now. Hi, I'm cleaning the floors and you are et cetera. 32:27 The Coming Etc is a 2013 worship band name. Becoming Etc? You're Becoming Etc. Oh my gosh, dude. 32:43 Oh boy, am I sick? I sure do need Tim stones. Get well quick trick. And what is it? It's simply chug an entire gallon of orange juice. Wow. I forgot. And then this shirt reminded me, I'm so glad that I have this shirt as a public service announcement, a public health service to other people around me. Do your part. Get this shirt. 33:12 shop.tilland.com. 33:20 No, they they would only damage the machines. Yeah, the new machines, they would leave all the supplies, all the stuff so they can still you can still work. Yeah, but you can't use those machines. Yeah. And so they would have to hire the people, pay them a good wage, and then they could continue working. They could not do that. That those machine stuff, automation stuff. ah And so they did this for a couple of years until uh 33:50 there was a very outspoken manufacturer by the name of William Horsefall uh Horsefall. He just sounds like a cartoon villain. He does. He does uh who he was very vocal. Hey, the lawyers fall. Yeah, he's got like a cigar and he's like fat. Yeah, and he was very like not fat like round. Yeah, not yeah, very not like oh, he's out of shape. He is a he's round. Yeah, 34:20 He looks like Eggman from Sonic. Yes. Yeah. And so he was the kind of guy who was constantly going before the government and talking about like the Luddites as if they were like some terror group. Yeah. And so like he was very vocal about them. Well, they sent him a letter. Oh, just because we disagree, you're going to set my cars on fire. I mean, my my machines on fire. Yeah. So they sent him a letter and he uh was like, OK. And so he went to his factory and he tried to home alone it. 34:49 and he planned for them to come and this turned into a big like uh conflict between him and the lights and he actually injured a couple lights and a one of the lights by the name of George Miller killed him ah and so in okay, just such matter of fact storytelling killed him. 35:13 Yeah. He injured a couple of people and then George killed him. Just killed him. There's a way you went, uh, killed him. Yeah, he's dead. What does he gonna do? Okay. And so kill them. 35:39 So parliament and then he. 35:44 so weird. Okay, so parlor was like whoa yeah yeah. So parliament response pretty we can destroy the livelihood of thousands, but horse fall yeah you can kill a horse fall not Mr. Horse fall and so they deployed somewhere. We don't know that's not a last name that exists anymore. Huh? Horse fall horse fall. Yeah yeah the family lied died with him. 36:14 He was the last in the line. Horse fall. Horse fall. You got any? There's Olivia horse fall. Do you look rich? Yeah. Center of messages say, Hey, do you agree with the actions of your great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather? 36:35 It looks like she just graduated high school, so not gonna message her. Here's a Caitlin Horsefall 94. Indicates that we might have been born the same year. 36:47 Maybe a little bit more appropriate judging by the bags in her eyes. She's just as stressed as a 30 year old. What are you looking at me like that for? Messenger. Hey, do you agree with the actions of your great great great great great great grandfather? I can't even tell you my great grandfather. Hi, Abby. 37:12 Are you aware that your great great grandfather? Probably more great than that. Great, great, great, great, great grandfather was a capitalist big. God killed. 37:32 Yeah, I assumed I assumed he was dead. Thanks. All right, she messages back so insane. What a crazy just an unsolicited to you from a person with two hundred and fifty thousand followers. I don't know where it is like. Hey, are aware that your great great great great great great grandfather was scab? 38:03 wild insane. So anyway, so parliament responds pretty heavily. They send somewhere in the ballpark of we don't know exactly, but somewhere around twelve thousand to fourteen thousand troops to the midlands. and they're like, we're shut this down right now. Sure, which for context, this is the middle of the Napoleonic Wars. Great Britain is at war with Napoleon. Yeah, and that is that one. That is more troops than they sent to that war. They were like, no way. Yeah, 38:33 but they're like, we're gonna, we're gonna, like, yes, we need to fight back the French, but we also need to fight back the working class. Yes, exactly. Actually wolf. So this turns into like a war they're going and they are still doing the same thing. They're sending the letters, they're showing up at 18, 11, Yeah, we're now also a war happening in the war of 18. 39:03 Yeah, For some reason, and I don't know anything about it. It was the second American Revolution. Yeah, they, yeah, they're pretty great. Friends spread pretty thin right now. Actually, they are meddling in too many affairs, but they're like, this is the one we can win. Maybe that's why they're like, they're like, we need to, we need to wrestle back some control. ah Oh, maybe, maybe. ah So uh the leadites are continuing to send the letters. They're showing up with their sledgehammers. Okay. 39:32 But now, whenever they show up, the army's just there for them. And so these turn into intense conflicts, where the army's doing army stuff, and the Luddites are hitting them with sledgehammers. And so obviously, the Luddites are losing most of these battles. I'm an army guy. That's what I said. I put my thumb down on the working man's head. 40:01 You'll shut your mouth. Then you do as you're told. Or else you and your family will never grow old. We're going to kill you if you don't work hard. We're going to kill you even if you do work hard. It turns out we can do it. We can do it. So something important to note about the protection of stocking frames, etc. Act of 1788. Yeah. Was. 40:30 the goal from that act and for years after that by a guy named by the name of Dan Daniel Cook, who was a member of Parliament, was to make the punishment death, but he couldn't get the rest of Parliament to agree with that. He's like, do guys think the dealt the punishments are being there like wow, probably years in prison. He's like, I think we should kill him. I was like, they're like, that's a little harsh and they're like also the way the how matter of fact you were about that's a little disturbed. I just think we should 41:00 Go on! 41:03 And so this... 41:09 Hey, Abby, what do you think we should do to work? Who refuse to use the new machines? She's going to respond and say kill him. oh 41:37 kill. Yeah, it's my blood kill. Oh, eh do it. My great, great, great, great, great, great. Dad did try to kill him, try to kill him. So that's crazy. So this situation is, now boiling over in such a way that parliament comes back. It's like whenever you're in parliament and the guy next me like, we should kill them. And you're like, Hey, relax man. What are you talking about? 42:03 it's like oh yeah. What should we do if someone doesn't want to use these new machines kill him? Oh yeah, that's crazy. So all of this was kind of like bubbling over. Yeah, of course. And remember we had the protection of stocking frames, et cetera act right of seventeen eighty eight in eighteen twelve part that came back and they passed the destruction of stocking frames, et cetera act eighteen twelve. So very similar. It's just got a 42:32 different first word and this one said if you break a stocking frame, we're going to kill you. That's all they got a path death penalty. Yeah, and so there was a little bit of push back right after this and the Luddites continue doing their thing for a little bit, but then they start killing and they started killing people uh and a lot. It's kind of disappeared pretty quickly after that, but also this is the time where it's like we, know, we we burned people for being a witch or whatever. 43:02 and it's like just imagine like getting killed and they were like you destroyed a stocking machine yeah and you're like I didn't and they're like well prove it and you're like you prove it and they're like 43:20 No. And they just kill you. Yeah, that's kind of, yeah, yeah. So what's interesting is they kind of disappeared from history. By the next generation, their children all grew up in this world, so they didn't know any better. And so they just kind of lived with this. And then the second Industrial Revolution happened, and we saw the same thing. And this system played for a century until we saw another group of people rise up against the railroad barons. 43:48 and eventually get a lot of these things overturned. it all started almost immediately in the first industrial revolution with the Luddites. And now it's like a uh pejorative term for people who like don't like technology or the Luddites. Yeah. But the thing is they didn't have a problem with the technology. They had a problem with the way the owners were using the technology to make everyone else's life suck. uh That was their problem. And what's really interesting, it's interesting you brought it up. 44:18 because there is a growing neo Luddite movement. Yeah. Where there are these people, these communities online of people who are setting warehouses on fire. They're talking about, they're talking about burning down these data centers. I have not seen anybody take credit for it, but it is interesting that we are starting to see warehouse fires and ah these flock cameras getting destroyed at the same time that these neo Luddites online are talking about how we need to destroy flock cameras and burn. 44:47 What are flock cameras? Our cameras are that that company that has been set at the private company that's setting up all these cameras. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's I like track and it's like license plate readers and stuff. Yeah, not a fan, not a fan, not a fan. You know what else I don't like? And this is something that I get mad at uh and this is just out of my butt. To be honest, 45:09 but I would like to know how much footage I what it seems like to me is that the majority of security camera footage that you see online is made up, but he is either acted out or it's a I and it's a way of selling you home security cameras like all these like these people like almost every time I see some kind of sensational like this person's breaking on my front door and they're kicking down the door. There's always a little tag that's like by this home camera yeah or every time I see oh this person's car got stolen on our driveway by a little camera 45:38 Yeah. And it's, think, I think so many of these things are just someone making content to sell the camera and it creates the illusion that your neighborhood is becoming worse. That's interesting that you say that because I've noticed. I use, we have a ring and we have the neighbors app and in that they have a feed of like all the stuff that people are talking about and ring will put sponsored things. Yes. And every single time I see that and I'm like, this isn't what ring camera footage looks like. This is better. 46:07 It is a camera that they turned black and white and they put the ring logo on there and they say look at what happened. Look what the ring camera caught yeah and it's just sensationalized stuff. Well, what you do is what they do is it's not scary stuff. It's like yeah, like fun like oh yeah, you're looking at the UPS guy uh heading the dog or whatever exactly. Exactly stupid. It's all a dog is a dude and also so much of the stuff they're trying to do. They're trying to get you so because they sell that data. 46:35 that they can just be look. We have a camera on that street and and that's useful for law enforcement and they sell all that data and they want to create a surveillance state and they want to push you against your neighbors and they want you to think that your neighbors are dangerous so you don't talk to them anyway. That's whatever though. We're not crying right now, but I'm saying like it really, it really makes me irrationally angry when I see a sketch or I see this stuff on here like you know, I just go, oh, you made this video to sell a camera. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. 47:05 Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, and all those cameras are being used by the police state to track you and to know where you are and to to pay anyway. You I don't know how to pivot out of that. There are a What's your God think of that? I say this all the time. If social media wasn't part of my job, I wouldn't do it. I am getting over it, but I mean I'll tell you what I'm over 47:34 tell you what I'm over. Are you over the Echo show in my living room was showing me video ads this week. I walked in my living room and there's a full on video playing on my Echo show and I told her I said Alexa, if you show me their video ad, I will set you on fire and then she was like I get that you're frustrated. Unfortunately, I don't have anything. So I literally put it in nighttime mode 24 7. Yeah, so now there's a black screen with a clock on it. Yeah, yeah, because I'm like 48:00 I'm not going to be walking through my living room and now my peripherals catching motion and now I'm looking at an advertisement. You want to know? No, I'm cleaning the floor. That's like a buy a Pepsi. That's like that TV that they gave for free. Remember that they would give you a TV, but there's ads on the one no yeah yeah. Get out of here with that no yeah yeah. I am you hate ads as much as I do. You can join us on Patreon for six ninety nine funny right funny to do an ad 48:27 I am getting to the point though where I see an ad. If I see an ad for something, I'm like, I'm never going to buy from you. I don't want to see your advertisements. Don't don't show me your ads. Oh, I mean, I'm I'm I did the rant on the podcast before. I hate when brands comment on my post because it's like, hey, you're trying to get exposure off of the views that I got pay up. Yeah. And it's also it's also like, oh, Charlie's being like, oh, yeah. Hey, shut up and stick your chicken fingers in your nose. Huh? Post a picture of your food. 48:56 or get out. Like don't, I don't want to see you make some witty comment. Like, yes, it sucks. And I don't want to see people doing tick tock dances in your lobby. I don't. So I, what are all that to say? I understand it, but it just, it just kind of feels like the horse falls of the world. When I mean it's true. That is kind of the sad moral of the lead story is the light. It's like they did cover a little bit of ground, but then the, got stamped out. Yeah. And they lost. 49:25 but I will say we beat the railroad Barron's. That is something true. We can't get. We beat the railroad Barron's and so the long arc of history is usually these guys win, but sometimes sometimes every once in a while the good guys should do an episode on the railroad Barron's. I should do an episode. Yeah. Hey, I talked about a YouTube series. I want to start. I think it'd be really funny if I sat down with like my father in law or even your dad or just you know dads in general and we played monopoly together on a video series. 49:54 but then I start with like a lot of money and we just see how long it takes them to rage quit. I think that's a really funny game because then the whole time I can just say stuff like hey, we all have the same opportunities. Yeah, you know and you can pass acts that if you had if you had used your money to buy properties, you wouldn't be in the situation. Yeah, you you add you like edit all the cards and they draw chance card. That's like 50:18 Oh you. We discovered that you haven't paid taxes for thirty years. I have been paying taxes. That's not what our books say. Yeah straight to jail. I my dad worked hard for these railroads. That's why I have all four of them. That's why I was born with all four of them. Yeah. Oh I pulled to go to jail card, but my dad knows somebody so I don't have to go to go. You flip over the my dad knows the warded card. My dad knows the warden. My dad says I get four hundred dollars every time I pass go because he pays my rent. 50:47 he pays my rent. I just think it'd be really funny, but I honestly think it'd be funny if you don't change the cards to like you play the game as it's designed. You just start with more start with more. Yeah, and you see how long it takes them to like flip the table over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think it'd take that long, so I challenge you, my father in law, Joe. I challenge you to a game of unfair monopoly. Okay, 51:14 What say you Joe? Anyways, they say that if you go anywhere in like the midlands in Great Britain to this day and you're you, you, you grab your stockings and you put them to this is such an attempt. Listen closely. Here what it is, what it says, what you're going to hear is you're going to hear the song that says all hell. Okay. 51:43 and then there's a little fiddle off. That was a stretch. uh Hey, thanks for watching this on my last night. If you liked it, please share it with somebody. Tell somebody about the show. Please. No one knows we exist and it's up to you. It's up to you to get the word out here. You're our little evangelist and so you do that. 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