1561 Sky Battle – The Best of History’s UFO Sightings

05-17-22

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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the sixty one sky battle? Is this? Is this one fifteen sixty one? Yeah, is that the year? Yes, so this is an alien thing. I mean could be all right, rolled up. I think everyone just stared at the sun too. We were at waffle house. Dude, you were struggling that day. Where you like? This is really taken a toll on to see. This is written back in and flut flat. His name is what? No, I know someone named hands. No, you don't. His name is Hod. We know the same Hans things. I learned last night. What is on the five hund sixty one sky battle? Sky Battle, or or what are we have like pirate and know what? There's also the one thousand, five hundred and sixty one celestial for phenomenon over Nuremberg. There's another name. Oh yes, sky battles way more catchy. Yeah, I agree, it sounds way cooler. It's like if the show was either going to be called battle bots or robots built by nerds that fight each other in the cool little right to the death in a cage. No, it's not even the rope. And they were like this is a little misleading, because this we can't tell if the show is called robots built by nerds that fight each other to death. It sounds like the nerds fight each other to the death, not the rope of the robots, not the rods. Yeah, like it's just misleading. MMM MM. So this is a similar thousand five hundred sixty one. Pirates had to have recorded this, or vikings or something. No, humans, pirates are people to, just like act proven pirates are people to. Okay, well, all right, so Nuremberg, one thousand five hundred and sixty one, okay, average day in the then free yeah, in the then free sires, average day in the then. It's what I thought you were just about to say to me. Nurro Park, one thousand five hundred and sixty one, an average day in the then. Looks that I I saying that time in the then. What, yeah, is in the then free imperial city. Okay, the Holy Roman Empire. Durnberg, sure was a free city. At the time. There was a mass sighting of unexplained aerial phenomena, which is the modern, like welcome term for it, but the proper term is ufos. Use painted that as a woke thing. What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, well, culture got a little little. Do you stop Tom You AP column by Whoa Phenomena? Huh? But the the truth. People know. So in April one thousand five hundred and sixty one, there's this broadsheet that was printed by a guy named hands class. Or okay, why did you? Why are you lasts for Funny Hands Glass? Or all right, it's Hans first of all. But all right, no, I know someone named hands. No, you don't. His name is Hans. We know the same Hans. We'll get my call find out you really answering like Ah, this is hands, hi, hands. Well, he's a lawyer now, so he'd go go for hands, go for an. That's Alaw your sis to look over hands. Where are you saying? You go for a hand. It's just too confusing. Have you? I saw this like selfdefense video the other day. How is this gonna make sense? And the GUY said, if you're getting mugged, he said you need to defer their attention away. So what you want to do is you want to say something. Oh, just off the wall. That doesn't make any sense. So be like. I saw a pig the other day and it's going to confuse him and be like what? And when they say what, you punch up the throat. Does the Selfdefense. Yeah, yeah, so that's that's go for hands. It's disarming and then you can confuse them. Go for hair stuff. Oh, I was calling to ask about your law practice. I was called to find out about some laws, some law. Hey, do you guys so law? Do you guys do law? Yeah, so, hands, glass her. He printed a broad chee. He was a local wood cutter and illustrator and he printed a broad sheet recounting the events that everybody in the town supposedly witnessed. Yeah, which the broadsheet, the way, was set up as he had it was a piece of wood that he had painted the picture of what happened on and then he had put his interpretation below a picture of it. Yes, here is a picture of the broadsheet of what happened in the sky over Nurremberg that day. So basically, the spun, the Sun was playing chest at the moon and flipped at the table over raw and see that is went flying everywhere. Some tittley wings involved. So to explain this picture you, I hope he had an artistic approach to this. He said, we literally what was in the sky exactly what they saw. That'd be terrifying. So here's what let me explain this far the audio listeners that you got. This the the town of Nurremberg, the sleepy town of Nurremberg. Picture a town in one thousand five hundred and sixty one. That's what it looks like. One of the churches. Picture what town looked like in the then one of the churches on the far end of town is on fire and there's smoke emanating from it on a bunch of little orbs around the outside of that church. And then in the sky there is the sun, very large, with an angry expression on its face, as you know the sun does. Sometimes it looks like the sun from if you're played Super Mario Brothers three. Yeah, there's a sun level, it's got a face, yes, that it's that. Behind the sun there's these two like crescent moon type things. It's almost like the sun has like a backpack with wings on it that it's wearing that day. And then there's a bunch of orbs all over the place, lots of different colors, a bunch of crosses. Some of the ORBS are connected with crosses. What language is is this language? Is this, I don't know, Latin? Maybe that's an assumption. I have no idea. And then there is a bunch of like, honestly, they look like chess pieces. They look like broken ponds all over the place, and then cannons that like shoot the little orbs out of them. Yeah, this is not can't we're at all. Yeah. Well, and then there's a giant black spear type thing at the bottom that looks like if you could picture the ships from Star Wars. That's what it looks like, a gigantic spear shaped. It's worth the Google. where they got to Google to find this thing? The one thousand five hundred and sixty one sky battle or the one five and sixty one celestial phenomena over Nuremberg? Either want to get you there. So whatever happened over the guys? That supposed to that as opposed to the one thousand five hundred and eighty four sky that looks it whatever it is, over Nuremberg. Yeah, and there was another year. Another wasn't and so the interpretation that hands Glasser gave to this was that the Lord was very angry with the people. Yeah, here's, here's here's the translation of for less whole setting down here. Yeah, I'm going to read that and put up a translated in real time. Ready. Yeah, this is, I believe, Latin. I'm not sure, but I know how to read it. Go ahead. So it says in the morning of April Fourteen fifteen sixty one, at daybreak, between four and five am, a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun. And then this was seen in Nuremberg, in the city before the gates, and in the country by many men and women. People talk to weird back then. Just, you know, forget about it. At first there appeared to in the middle of the sun, to blood red semi circle ARCS. So those are the little, yeah, pack thing. I think everyone just stared at the sun too long. Who it's like, so hey look, and everyone went, oh, look at all that stuff. We see. Oh, you see all those dots. I can't get him to go away. If I look at the church, throughout the church. Now, could you guys see that wind in the city? Certainly this is God's judgment. And in the sun above. I'm reading again, I don't know if you could tell. And The Sun above and below and on both sides. The color was blood, not red. It was blood. There stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black. First color on what that means. Likewise, there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun, such blood red ones and other balls in large number, basically saying there was a bunch of stuff flying around, and rods and balls and crosses and strips, and they said these all started to fight among themselves, so that the Globes, which were the first in the sun, flew out to the one standing on both sides. Thereafter the globe standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods flew into the sun. Besides the Globes. They flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And then it says and when the conflict I'm fast forwarding lung story short. Eventually it got to put that in there. Put A tl be all in there. I just the really hero. It was tough to understand. And then he got to a point where he says the the orbs and the rods got so tired from fighting each other for so long that many of them blew up in a bright shining light and then fell to the earth with smoke. So it's what caused the that's what causes smoke over there, smoke over there, is those those different orbs falling and burning. And so he said that he's that God was very angry with the people and if they didn't fix their lives and behave better, that he was going to bring his rast comes out on them. Yes, yeah, so, as many of those those people. Today, when we see stuff happened in this guy, we say, Oh, that's probably aliens. Back then, when, yeah, sure, back then, when you saw stuff in this guy, you say, Oh, God's probably mad at us. Oh, man, so God knows I was a jerk yesterday. God saw me be a jerk yesterday's so he made a bunch of stuff fly from the sun and blow up. God knows I stole three hundred and fifty million dollars from every bank in the Metro area and for that reason he is out. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or if you're watching on Youtube leave a commet. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets who were separated at birth, unbeknowns to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in that episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one. This is a peculiar event because here we have this guy witnessed it, recorded it and drew a picture about it, just like the police do with things happen and and a lot of other people in the town reportedly saw this and corroborated his story. They were like, Yep, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, they were like signed off. I agree. I don't know. I don't know how this got corroberated, but apparently a bunch of people say, yeah, this is legit. Okay, I don't know. So there's a lot of theories to how this happened. The first and biggest and probably most realistic, is the alien it's obvious it was aliens, this right outlue, aliens fighting in the sky. Yeah, yeah, they they had a war and they said, if we do a war on our planet then we might mess it up. Let's go to the stupid humans. Where there any other accounts from any neighboring cities or anything like that, because if this is a big event like this, you would have seen it. Do we know? I don't know. I don't know how close this was to other towns. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about any other towns that when I'm saying there is another something interesting that we'll talk okay, but as far as I know, no other nearby town saw this event. I'm saying, like the solar eclipse, right, it's not just like in North Kansas City. Yeah, that was everywhere. Yeah, but think about how towns weren't really that far away back then. Yeah, I'm true, like if we, if we live the same distance away that we live right now, I would never know you existed. Yeah, that's true. Actually, that's pretty crazy, you know, and it's less than thirty miles. To be fair, though, like I don't know how far, and he depends how high up this happened because like it the horizon line. That's true. You and I might not be able to witness the same thing in the sky. You know, you're the same moon at night, though. No, this is there's a different moon for every town the US. The NASSA they put. They put a new moon for everything. NASA. UNT even call it NASA. You called the AASA the NASA. That's a that's a red flag right there. I someone won't say it. Also, are there other ones? That what's another agency that we say it the NASA. Say NASA, the Fabi? We don't say yeah, we don't kind the we don't say the other ones. It's got to be a reason. I don't know. I gotta be a reason. The Er's what are you are hiding at any essay? What if you stood outside of NASA's building and you're like tell me about the fifteen, sixteen, one, five hundred and sixty one lead. Yeah, are fight sky battle, Sky Battle. They would be like probably a natural. So are there sky battle truthers out there who were going to find our show? Maybe we'll see. We'll find out when, when the comments have come in. So okay. So what are the theories then? So the Aliens Right, aliens said, let's go have a war on earth real quick and last like an hour. And I mean if you look at it from that Lens, you can see it like if you were if you didn't know a Y, if you look different the Lids, you couldn't imagine that right, if you were to imagine that that's what happened, you could have better close, pretty close. But if you look at the picture, look at the picture. Hold on, look at the picture. That looks like that, especially that Black Arrow. If you're listening, I'm sorry, but like go look this up. That Black Arrow looks like if you were alive in the fifteen hundreds and you haven't seen star wars yet, like it, but you saw an imperial destroyer. This is probably what you draw and you'd be like, yeah, there was an Arrow in the sky because you didn't know what an imperial destroyer was yet. Okay. And and he said that they were fighting him and they got tired. They blew up with a great light and then they fell to the ground with a lot of smoke, which sounds like spaceships blowing up. So I don't know. Okay, if you want to look at it, that way. It's believable. That's what I choose to believe. Okay, the other theories, there's there's a couple other theories. One of them it was that it was a meteor shower early morning, probably pretty light our with a bunch of you know, just space rocks falling in hitting stuff. And if you've ever seen meteor shower, if you were to look atter, that that's what happened. Imagine a meteor shower. If you would imagine, you can imaginally close. Yeah, yeah, that one does kind of check out. Also, like it if it wasn't mean your shower. Maybe the problem is we're able to go back and like find record of a lot of like like Oh hey, we found meteorites in that area or whatever. None of that's there. So, like, if it wasn't me your shower, there's no record of anything ever being recovered. Okay, and there's nothing that we can look back through looking at the stars and stuff. How well were be stars keeping rightless? I mean, if this guy's keeping a record for this, I mean I would just I don't know, I don't know this this was a pretty life changing event for this guy, it seems. Yeah, because if you don't know. I mean even if it was just an eclipse and you had never seen that before. So I'm saying, yeah, shake your brain, whoa. Yeah, yeah, and so I knew it was going to happen in this solar close was a pretty crazy event. Yeah, it's hard to see that. Yeah, what it got dark. It's hard to see that. It's hard to be like, Whoa, it is hard to live through this. We were at Waffle House, Dude, you were struggling that day where you like, this is really taken a toll on my middle health to see. I still saw that and I said, you know what, I think this is God trying to tell us that there is a disease coming and we all need to be careful or turn from our ways. You know, made the joke. That's fine, better than one I was going to make. Make It. No, okay, so, could have been aliens, could have been a medeor shower. Okay. Another idea is that it was a comment and they just saw the comment flying to the sky. The problem is described an hour long experience. Yeah, and they described a lot of other things, like not just one object with the tail, and they described like things fallen down with smoke and explosions. It could have been a comment and he could have just really embellished it, because at the end of the day, like, this is just one guy's painting. Yeah, and something he wrote down, like he could have just embellished what he saw. There was a lot of stuff. It was so much you're not going to leave. And I was here enuff. Yeah, yeah, I said one of them. I to the ORB and I said orb fly again. It did. He's like, my name is hands was like, my name is orb. The nerbs like, I think you mean hots in the guy, and then the hands was like is this is a life change? That has sound better. Okay, so there's that idea. So there's that stupid idea. There's what? Another idea is that this guy literally just made it up, like I know what saging at this point. Yeah, literally just made it all up. Nothing music. Yeah, and several other people will corwate my story. Yeah, yeah, several other people said they saw that happen. So who the other people in the town? Here's here's a thing. Yes, he could have just made this up. At the end of the day, all we have is a painting and some stuff he wrote on a piece of wood. Could he have made that up? Absolutely, people draw stuff that's not real all the time. Yeah, but no, but here's what we will say. But we have a lot of us other broadsheets that he puts. Oh, and they do child tell events that we do know our historically accurate. Okay. And so is it possible that one time he just made something up? Sure, but it does kind of likely. Probably not. Yeah, especially in this format. Most likely he is recounting a triteil. Could he have him bellish it? Maybe. Could he have drawn this a little different than it actually looked? Most likely. He clearly put this the logical spin on his interpretation of it. So maybe his art had that same span as well. Sure, I mean the sun has a face in the picture, so most likely, most like her. No, worn't just look. Okay, let's go look. Yeah, let's look. Let's go see the sun has a look at the sun's they ever seen? Yeah, anybody ever see the face? Ask the end say, ask the ANASA. This is sun of a face. Another theory, which seems to be the most widely accepted, why they accepted, is that this was an issue of Sun Dogs, which a lot of people don't know what this is, but rare occasion. You were like why they accepted is sun dogs. Oh Yeah, a lot of people don't know this, but sometimes early in the morning and the guy over northern European towns, sometimes the docks for the sun just get out the roll over the sky. Yeah, Barki Harrible there. Yeah, T sun is the worst neighbor rightings. Dogs are always running around. It doesn't do anything. Try to catch them and we'll control as to calm or they just blow up. The stugs just kind of blow up. Sometimes, yeah, it's tired, explode. It's a mess. It's a mess. Not these are sun dogs. So this is a an actual effect that can happen. Oh, and it's pretty rare. But basically what happens, and this I don't know how, I don't know all the technical terms for this, but basically it's an atmospheric distortion of the image of the Sun. And so when the sun rises in the morning, if it gets that that there's like this perfect moment in the sunrise wherefore, about an hour this Sun will have these two other suns that you can see from the sky and it's a distortion in the atmosphere. There's not two sets of suns, but they're out on where is this picture? Left and right, signs northern Europe. And what what happens is it's kind of like if you're looking through like an eyeglass in a weird way at a light and you kind of sure can see that light in another spot on the eyeglasses. The same thing. The atmosphere is distorting the image of the sun and you're seeing the sun three times, one in the middle, two on both sides. They Cause Sun dogs because they say, Oh, y'all, look, those are the dogs of the Sun. Over on the side it's is those rus dogs. You know, the sun has pets, just like even the sun has died. Relate to the sun. We're not too different the sun. So here's what's crazy. Is What's crazy. The Sun has the it's two dogs, yeah, but most the time when you look there's only one sun, because that's when the sun carried the dogs. He takes a again for listening to this episode. 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Well, and I'm sure, I really do think if you're looking at this, like this appears right and you're looking straight at it, like you're going to have this on the sun dots when you're looking around. Yeah, yeah, that effect where you stare at the sun, you start seeing bash. But it's true, like I'm sure the people saw this and they were staring at it and they're like, what the heck is that? And then they yeah, they started seeing all that stuff from okay son. So this is the wildly ecs e their one. This is the why they accepted theory. Skeptics disagree, but I think, I think this is probably most likely what they saw. And who knows, maybe they this happened and then there was a meteor shower at the same time and a comet and India and the war. I mean one of the odds. I mean the odds are slip, but they're not zero. That's true. There's slip, but not zero. So I think this is the most likely possibility. Here's the deal, though. This isn't the only time that's happened. We have another broadsheet from one thousand five hundred and sixty six and the town of Basil with a very similar picture. This is in which year, one thousand five hundred and sixty six, five years later, I few later, years later, and another year very in town similar. Yeah, and so this picture to paint the picture of picture a town in one thousand five hundred and sixty six, five years further along then, yeah, were whatever things looked like. So the Ford Taurus is a little bit nicer than it was back then, but a town square, there's multiple people out. Yeah, they're all pointing up at it, freaking out. And then the sun is back there, still has a face, still faced, same face. Yeah, he's Sun faced, totally sun face, and there are white orbs, look like, you know, little snowballs or something around it, but then also just black ones, and the whole sky is full of it. Either a white or a black dot. Yep, Yep. And in this one it's a similar story. They interpreted again as God was mad at them and there was a judgment coming. Here is here's the text of this event during the Orr one thousand five hundred and sixty six, on the twenty seventh of July, after the sun had shone warm on the clear, bright skies at around nine pm, so in the evening this time, it's suddenly took a different shape and color. First the sun lost all its radiance and luster and it was no bigger than the full moon, and it finally seemed to weep tears of blood and the air behind it went dark. And then he was they thought the sun was a boy at the time, and then he was seen by all the people of the city in the countryside in much the same way also as the moon, which had already been almost full and had shown through the night, assuming an almost blood red color in the sky the next day. So now this is a multiday event. The next day the Sun rose at about six o'clock and slept with some with the same appearance it had as it was lying before. He let the houses, the streets around as if everything was blood red and fiery. And then at dawn of August the seventh, so many days later. Yeah, we saw a large black spheres coming and going with great speed and precipitation before the Sun and chattered as if they left, as as if they led a fight. So they were loud, many of them were fiery red and soon crumbled and then extinguished. So this one does actually seem like this is a combination of everything. The first one sounds like an eclipse, the first thing to happen. Sure it was probably an eclipse, and then the next one sounds like a blood moon, and then and then it does sound like a meteor shower. Yeah, because this was a multiday affair. Yeah, so I think what's going on here is they piece it all together and say this was like the judgment of the God that came in three different visions. MMM, and God is mad at us again because that guy over. Now. How far away did this take place from? This took place in the town of Bassel. The other one took place in Nuremberg. So if you just Nurmberg, yeah, how else would you spot Nuremberg? Yeah, and you Arembe Nuremberg, U said nerm yeah, new, new room. Now Wimberg, Nuremberg, new, new. It's four and a half hour drive. Four hundred and forty one. Okay, so it's a lotzers good distance. How many kilometer miles? That like the face you made, the American face of kilometers, where you're like idiots. We're the only ones that don't use it. So it's a good distance away, though. I'm yeah, like it's not like two hundred and seventy four miles. Yeah, this was written by game named Flood Blat. What his name is? What? Just A flug blood? Well, maybe flu block, I think. Well that I'm gonna Google that. I think the town is called saved. His name is. Why are you the one in charge of this? We either research assisted just so tim knows how to pronounce things. So floog Blat is now in German, both the spelling of the word and the article presuing the right to the Bab Bah. Yeah, okay, here we go. Oh, that's German. I can't read that. What are we doing here? Thing got flog black means it's not the name because it was written. Oh, a flog Blat is a leaflet or a little book or a piece of paper. Okay, so that this is the next time someone gives you a flyer say all hate thanks for this flug black. Well, I'm saying that this is a flog but it's not written by Bog Blat. This is a flug bat of Basil. This is what the caption says. It's a flag Blat of Basil by Samuel a Pireus and Samuel Cosi us. So yeah, so next time, next time someone gives you a flyer called a Flogblat, that's thank you for this flood Plat. Yeah, you guys have a Flogblat or something. You know what one of the most effective voice of Ministry is. I hand out these little flood blots right and it says heaven or hell and it says one thousand five hundred and sixty one in the skies of our Norremberg. There I was God judge in a Bucky's bathroom and the top of your am was a flood black change my life. Froen, who wrote this? Oh, hands evile, Hannes he so, yeah, turns out its Hans, who knew? Who Knew? Who Canoe? You know. So this this scenario is a little bit easier for me to stomach. It's a little easier for me to say all those events happened within like three days of each other. Well, no, because it started the first one was July twenty seven. Yeah, that's and then to last was August seven. So, yeah, it's all this is a long period of different celestial events. Yeah, they were. The other one is just can saying that it all happened one night. Yeah, here's what I think happened. You know, I'm going to tell you what I think. Please tell me Your theory. I think what happened is Hans saw something he couldn't explain and he tried to explain it and he embellish upon it pretty hard. Or we talked to other people and everyone had different things. So the story just kind of develop like it's like telephone, Yep, or for them, Flood Blat, the plague, flood black. It's just so funny to be so that's because you're saying it wrong, probably. You know, it's really nice. What's that? Months ago, super cold in here and we turn the air off, and now it's feels like when we first started this podcast in here, like I feel like I need to take my shoes off. I'm not wanting to belt, but I feel like I should wear it's a little warm. Now, let me kick my shoes off. Oh, we're almost done. I'm kicking my shoes off here. The what more do you have to say? He's the the I used to only do this shoeless. Yeah, and then I started wearing shoes for some reason. I should go back. I should go back to being barefoot on the PODCAST. Okay, is there anything more about the topic? Yeah, so, yeah, so here's the thing. So I think, like I said, I think he probably embellished. Why do you work? Closes time. Mused to be fully nude. Just we're you're a blockbuster and I had, I literally had a story with my eyes closed the whole time. Oh you're gonna do that again? Oh, cool, all right, yeah, I don't see me. It's audio. Yeah, they do. is every professional radio station. Every professional radio station is just naked. All right, it really has. Every country steps with the nerve. They love. If your love, if you're afraid, take a close off. Kay, love hosts. Hey, thanks for listening, a kid. Hey, it's over the pledge drive. Oh my gosh. Okay, more of the story. Probably Aliens. Oh sure, sure, that's your most likely aliens. Your Real theory? Is that my real theors? Guy went around. I think it was part of the sun dogs. I think that makes sense. It is. Then you probably stared at it and saw some stuff in his eyes and then everybody and then he embellished it a little bit. But could be. But but if you look at this and you don't see this and say that's probably an imperial star destroyer, then you're wrong. It is. It is. That's that, to me, is the one part that's like kind of phenomenal about this. Is like that looks like. That looks like what we say what that looks like to be starships. Look like that looks like a blind spot to me, like you've now you've damaged your eye in the shape, in the shape of an imperial star destroyer. Sure, no, you've never seen you've never seen star war. So she saw this in the sky. Yeah, you probably would think, oh, it's like an Arrow or something. Yea's what you that's your brain with. Associate with it, because your brain isn't bro You hungry. What is happening to you? What it is? At the end, you're like mentally breaking down to the point where you're like as a real start, are you? You're seen star wars, like you're starting to like you look belligerent. You're sober beligerent right now. Maybe it's because I took off my shoes and yours over here, like we're you were seen star wars worth. Well, what if you're dumb rain saw this in the sky? What would you think it was? You Bet that's what you treat me like. Chill, I'm just better that you haven't seen Star Wars. That's fine. I'm surprised. I'm I think it's weird. They both at the both suns have a face in the tiddly wings up there. Yeah, so I don't know. It's a weird thing. I mean, the other one had sound. This one doesn't seem to have sound. He never mentions hearing anything. Oh, that's interesting. That's right. The one did mention that they were allowed. Yeah, which this is weird. If it was a sky battle with aliens and there was explosions and crashes, you would hear it. You'd probably hear it. Yeah, you don't hear a meteor shower. Yeah, meteors are quiet typically. Yeah. Yeah, they turn the volume down before they go. Okay, thing I was you like to talk about? Not? We probably should go at things are getting weird. Yeah, well, I mean, but if you maybe it's because he was talking the whole time. This guy was like I looks like maybe an imperial thing, or it was like shut up, we're trying to listen to this battle. What have you. Listen real close to fit the wall. It is things are then. 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John Ruffo – How This Man Successfully Stole $350 Million

05-10-22

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A man. What's going on? Have you ever heard of John Rufo? John Rufo? Yeah, nope, I don't have anything. I think we need to get it out of the way right at the beginning, because every time I've heard his name since I've found him, I think of John Ralphao Deka. Different Guy. Not, not saying we're not doing that guy. Yeah, he is still the worst, but he's yeah, I know he's. Don't don't get too far in yourself. He sucks, for sure. Different Guy, also, different person. He's not Johnny Rufo. Same Name. John wouldn't, but you had the n why the NY? Johnny Ruffo? WHO's Johnny Roof? It's not him. He was a finalist on the third season of the x factor Australia. Is that who we're doing the episode about her? Is that Johnny Rufo? That's Johnny. Okay, so johnny not. This is different guy. I we're pretty sure at least. I mean could be. Jury's out. It's possible they got the same name. It's just an extra two letters at the end. Johnny's in the third season x factor, of the Australian X factor. Oh he was a fine I didn't realize that. Every country had their own. You know that? They they got like Ireland's got talent. We all got our own. Yeah, I mean every country's got some talented people. Right. Well, I mean I know they have talented people, but I didn't know they had their own. I didn't know they had TV's. Yeah, yeah, in other countries had things. You didn't know other countries had things. No, I was waiting for you to react that. You were just like yours, like, yeah, looking at whatever your are you looking at x factor winners over here? What are you? I got an episode, listen. Yeah, and I'm pictured picture. I had a relater your commute this morning. But are you rate to learn about every winner of x factor in the last ten years? I have a family who put their houses in the line for me and for that reason I'm out. Is that figure on your ankle where I kick my twizzlers? Guilty person, says. What? What? Don't act like. What you ate was salsa, okay, what? No, shut up, early saw shut your minds. It on the CAN. Things I learned last night. It is so Johnny Ruffo. Johnny Ruffo was on x factor. Yeah, John Ruffo, different guy. So John Rufo. He is the perpetrator of the one of, if not the largest, bank fraud in American history. He had stolen. I want you to listen back the sentence you said just when I'm imagining the moment whenever this comes out and you just say yeah, but also the word structure that you went with, where he said he's the perpetrator, or one of the of the biggest bank fraud in the United States. Like if you cut out all the odds this and still didn't make sense. So let's make it make more sense. He decided the bank. Yeah, so he. Oh, not just the bank, all the banks, just about everything. Oh, capital, be bank. I seeriou say, not the big, the big, big bank, big, big, the big be bank. That's a church joke for ex angelicals. He listen. Yeah, he had stolen from just about everything you can think of. If they were one in thanking in the mid S, then he the frauded them to the tune of a little over three hundred and fifty million dollars. What is that tune sound? That's what three you're telling me that three hundred and fifty million dollars is the family few theme song. It's family fraud. I was fast I'm really proud of you. Sorry, it's family off fraud. So he robbed every bank. How? What? Yeah, what does he just type it in coke rewards points and we'redeeving him for cash in the S. I don't know. We'll get to that. But the more interesting part of the story is the fact that when he was convicted, the whole caught. Spoiler. Yeah, he got caught. He's in court, he gets convicted guilty and the guards take him away into the back room. When they do well, guilty whatever they made court room. Yeah, yeah, as he and Steve Harvey's court. You see Steve Harvey's show? I was on there. Go family a few. That's like I was gonna say. Is it his show? Family Feud? No, it's Steve Harvey's got a court show where he goes defense. Does he really? He does have a he does have a court show. I was trying to combine family feud and his court show. I had no idea how to court and he was gonna go Defense Prosecution. Give me one player resign and then it's down to play fast guilty. It's yeah, you know, he does have a court show. It's pretty we should get on it. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, Ray, and I've been trying to get on divorce court. Well, if you don't know how the shows work, they're all made up. A yeah, but we really want to go on divorce court. Yeah, that'd be God, what a great time. Can you imagine the church people on come up to your shove and be like, I saw that boy on an episode of Divorce Court? Yeah, well, it's better than cops. You know, that sums real. They're not cast for cops. That's what you think. So he got taken away into the back room. Yeah, of court, when, whatever they do, they're like, I don't know, put you in the orange suit and cuffew and, oh, like he's been all the fought, the chargers have been, everything's happened. They tell them you're going to prison seventeen years. He goes in the back room and now is the point where all of the the judge and the jury and executioner, they all party. I don't know what. They don't know what happened. I've never been to a court like. They all pass around cheesecake that's been sitting out for a little while, celebratory as kind of saggy rat's done. All right, yeah, COO, and the defense is not celebrating. Yeah, yeah, they're all angry, they're all set. Yeah, they're all eating Bologny, almost old bull. So you're saying in the American justice system, Steve Harvey says, all rights, my fast. What's my fast? Guilty, all right, guilty person says what? What? That's good to eat? This longcus cheesecake. Defense old blowney. That's what his must day. It gives they just do they pass it out by the slice. Yeah, they've got the little little I don't know what you call it, that little plastic gid. Know that the package. We all knew. We were all there with the round Bologny package. You just gotta nothing else is package like Bologny. Hmmmmm. anyways, so they take up in the back room and then everyone knows his defense attorney. Yeah, says, excuse me, judge, we had a self surrender agreement. And the judge was like excuse me, and he turns to the prosecution and he says, is this true? Do you guys have a self surrender agreement? And they were like, Oh, yeah, we did do that, and so let me explain. So in certain cases it's relatively common for the judge to grant a self surrender to the guilty party. Basically, what that means is they get to wear an ankle monitor for the next month or so to take care of their affairs and then report to prison for their sentencing. If you have a lengthy sentence or like a crime like, I don't know, you still three hundred fifty million dollars from from every banks, then they usually don't let you do that because they say they the defense negotiated this. So the defense. So the prosecution came to the defense early in the trial and asked for some documents and the defense said that they would comply if they the negotiot it. Yes, how they gave us self surrender agreement. A self surrender is essential really in certain cases. If you have like a lighter sentence but you're going to have some prison time, they might grant you a self surrender to allow you to go handle your affairs before you're gone for a couple years. Sure, because you know probably have some stuff to take care of right. But if you have a lengthy sentence and you've done a serious crime like the robbing three hundred and fifty million dollars worth sipicly doesn't happen. Yeah, they're typically like, yeah, you probably like if we let you go, you're going to be there's a risk. Yeah, and so they don't normally don't do that. But the prosecution had to range a deal with the defense early in this trial. Yeah, to get some documents and in exchange that, it's documents they would grant. And the way in court it works, it's a lot like pokemon car yes, where it's like, I'll give you these documents and exchange for, I don't know, letting my guy off Scott free. And they're like but it's like it's like a it's like when you buy a used car on facebook, right, yeah, because you got to negotiate. Yeah, you get going hot, like Oh, I wanted to I have a jail time at all. Yeah, you know, and then see you're like, okay, well, hold on, we obviously can't just let him out. It's got free. What if? What if we did twenty four years with no possibility of a death penalty? And they're like yeah, but we kind of want the the risk. If there's no, no chance of the death penalty, why even try to kill? Yeah, I what about her foot? Where are you the are you the defense? He's a yeah, but I want to know that my work matters. I want to know what I say saving a life. Yeah, okay. Well, what if he's got like a month, yeah, after the sentence, to just do whatever? Do what to handle his affairs? How many affairs did this guy have going on at once? Are you a defense attorney? You seem dumb. You know, you seem dumb, if I'm going to be honest. So they granted it. They how long signed? I want to stay science assigned documentation. About a month. So he's had a seventeen year since. He's going to have about a month where he's gonna wear three hundred and fifty million and we're back to the age old debate if you had a month. So he so he has to wear an ankle monitor. At the end of the month he has to report back to prison to just live there for seventeen years. So it's like a rum springing right did which is the amish have where they get to live? Oh, we decided if we're go back or not. Yeah, actually, kind of, except for monitored and you have to, and you have to. Some have to because he didn't. So he gets his ankle Mo under. He goes and spends thirty days cuts his lefe off sidebar. Never tells his wife about the whole self surrender thing. Oh, I thought about tells her thing net like tell you said, Hey, I'm going to work and then he's going to his trial. Like he never tells her that he stole the money. Never tells her that he's gotten arrested and there's all trial and he might spend a lot of time in jail. What he's been telling her this whole time is that he's being like wrong. I'm a manager, a Duncan Baby. I gotta get up early. You know, those donuts all make themselves. I gotta get there for AM. He says he's been wrongly convicted and finding it, and so when he was at a sentence, they got the wrong guy. I'm the One servant time all the guy really did. It's on x factors season three, like, how can this even be, babe? And he said out of his sensing, child was like an early child, like he just lied to her. Went to this child where. I mean, if it didn't go his way, he was going to prison for seventeen years. Right after it for all right you, and he was like yeah, I'm just gonna go to child be back this afternoon. Well, then he comes back and she thinks it's still an open trial, like who knows what's going to happen. And with an ankle bracelet on, though. Yeah, she wasn't like yeah, there's that about. They're just like they want to keep a little better check of me, you know, like yeah, they want to know where he was. Like, I saw this at the mall. There's one of those kiosk. The Guy said, my ankle looks weird. If I wear this it would look less weird. Yeah, it's a balanced thing. It's like a hmmm, I'm gonna go for I'M gonna go on, I'm gonna go on the run. I'm for a run. Remember time I pulled my hamstring and football in high school. This is like it's supposed to help that. Yeah, that's sad. Yeah, it balances. Yeah, you know, you know, you get it. Yeah, so the month goes by and it's time, it's time to report, and so he's it beep on the day. If you're the morning goes dud, dude, dude, good morning. It's April. Twenty eight. Come back to prison. It's your prison day. Happy Prison Day, John Ruffo, says his name everything. It's the series voice, though. But what years? This is the s ninety eight, airy, primitive, very hello, John rofo. It is prison day, prison, PA PA, Pata, Papa, place them fuse. So, yeah, it's ninety eight. He rents. He rents a car and he asked. He tells his wife, Hey, I want to keep your chiropractor appointment only should take the subway they love in New York, and she's like, I'll just take this upays Goma wuts our car to drive his chiropractor. Like, though, I like to drive you the car. I just went into. This car to drive me to the chiropractor. Yeah, really passionate about your spinal alignment. Well, he told her that his car was in the shop and he's like. He's like, I just really want to spend secial times. You like, let me take you to your car. pract so he does that and dropped it off with the chiropractor. Pulls by the right US Marshall's office. It's a Saturday morning. There's like an attendant at the door and he's okay, I'm supposed to get my inkle monitor off today and the guy just does it, just takes his inkle monitor off and lets him go. Doesn't ask me questions or what they get ID or anything. Just gets his ankle monitor off and then no idea or anything. The last do you think? Let me ask where you think the process should look like? Do you think he needs to give his ID? Yeah, you're let me make sure this is your ankle monitor. I'm sure what happens is you come in and they have to check, like look you up and be like, Oh, are you supposed to get this off? What was this plane like if they did do that, like if he just went to the use of Marcial Office and he was a guy, gotta take this off today, and they were like Bro, you gotta go to jail, you gotta prison. Man. I don't know what his plan was. I don't know, but I've got a feeling. I do know actually, and we'll get to that. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I do know. And then I've always known. And then he goes to the bank, one of the banks he defrauded, and we get our last video that anybody's ever captured of John Rufo. Oh, first of all, saw the creepy faces in the back. Okay, this is eight and ATM FEDA HE PULLS OUT Six hundred from the ATM and at the end of this video he actually looks up at the Cameron smiles at it and it's the last time anyone's ever seen John Rufe. No, and hours later he was supposed to report to jail. Obviously didn't. His wife's just at the chiropractor. Yeah, she's getting aligned and she has no idea he's supposed to be at prison that day. And so she actually gets a phone call from the FBI and they're like screaming at them, at her, trying to figure out, hey, where's your husband, and he's like she's like, I don't know. He went to work after he dropped off of the chiropractors. You check the Duncan on fifty three. It's where he told me it goes every day. And so they ended up at investigating and a couple days later they found that rental car in one of the extended lots at JFK and to this. So with this money, yeah, he boarded a flight, presumably somewhere, to anywhere. He had six hundred and you buy a plane to go with cash. Yeah, I think so. I especially that. Then you could go back. Then you go. I'm saying I think so now, you now. I think so. Now. I don't know why you couldn't. It's money. Yeah, F I'm thinking this is why you wouldn't be able to. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, I'm sure you can. I don't I don't see why they could. I mean, I see why they might want to not, but I don't see how they could legally say no, you can't buy this with cash like that. That doesn't make sense to me. I mean it makes sense, but doesn't make sense, you know. But anyways, they found that car at that lot and it that was one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight. To this day no one has any idea where John Rufo went. The FB he's on the FBI's fifteen most wine list and they still and found him. But like, how is he making it? There's a lot of questions there. There's theories. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use, or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose, can sayco it's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff, and there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. Let's look at the backstory. I think we need to start with the backstory. Okay, so John Ruffo, where's his wife now? And, I don't know, New York or something, probably still she's a she's right the chiropractor. She's missed at the chiropractor for well, any time, thinking that day. All right. So he just leaves his wife with the chiropractor. Yeah, goes to the US martial office, they take off his ankle monitor. Yeah. GOES TO JFK, yeah, long term parking, yeah, which they never checked, by the way. Yeah, and then your car is not safe at long term parking. Up. And then dips out, yeah, with the six hard dollars cash. Yep, and probably use most that on his fight. That's why I'm saying yeah. So I'm I'm wondering he didn't have access to the three hundred fifty million the theories there's theories. Okay. So so let's look. Let's look at the back story, right. He was born in Brooklyn in one thousand nine hundred and fifty four. Wait, how do I say that? Before Brooklyn? No, it was the bronx box. That brook is the same. Brooklyn's born in Brooklyn in one thousand eight hundred and fifty four. And you saw that picture of him. He's the best way to describe them as George to Stayanza. He's got look at his eyes, Dude. Yeah, he's got male pownern book. He had pink guy when he came to this thing. You know what he looks like? He looks like got copy in my hometown, you know, just like I imagine a police officer in the town of three thousand people with zero crime. A former CO worker of his described him as he's kind of like a computer nerd, and the thing with most computer nerds is once you get to know him, like at first they're kind of awkward and uncomfortable, but let's get to know him, they're actually kind of Nice guys. But Not John Rifo. He was really rude and awkward the whole time. Okay, but yeah, he's got male, Poun bodness, little mustache and he's just the picture they use for the most wanted list. Yes, okay. anyways, so he was a computer nerd his whole life. Love computers from an early age and when, after he got married, married his high school sweetheart. After got married, he started a Computer Services Company called CCS, which stood for cemetery computer services, because they were deal so good you'll die. That's not true, though, because they's first his first client was a cemetery. They digitized all of their paperwork, which was really early to do. Yeah, like they right, yeah, yesssies doing that and over the course of the next few years they kind of blew up doing this for a lot of clients and he got to the point where he made a relationship with IBM and became an IBM reseller of IBM computers. Okay, and kind of his big break that really exploded his company was he made a deal with Philip Morris, which you may know from popular brands like Marlborough or just about every brand of cigarette actually, and Jewell they do it all. So a very, very large company, especially in that time. That was before we realize cigarettes were really that was one we were allowed to have cartoon camels be like Hey, kids, why don't you try spoken? Yep, exactly. Actually, so massive company made a deal with him to supply all of their computers for the whole company. Will. So it's a huge deal, and he was just reselling IBM to them for yeah, while doing that deal he made a relationship with the guy named at Rhiners, who was a executive at Philip Morris, who they hit it off, became really close friends and everybody described it as a very odd relationship. They couldn't figure out why ED and John became friends, because Ed, he is your stereotypical like college Frat Bro Turn Wolf of Wall Street C Guy. Yeah, yeah, not just like the not cool, but like the thinks's cool, like womanizer, Douche. Yeah, drives the Consule, like yes, yeah, himself, works out eight times a day, right, right, all right, but for some reason him and John became like best friend. John was like the opposite of that. Okay, yeah, he's that's like us. One of us is like rich, hot, works out every day and it's just rich, and the other one is married. I guess. I don't know. What do you have? Goorks on computers every day. Some computers every day. For now. EAT SALSA for lunch. No, don't act like what you ate was salsa. Okay, what? No, shut upterally saw shut your month. Is it on the CAN? What Tim made for lunch? Where's my camera? What timmate for lunch today? And this is what he's eating, since, I don't know we were. This is a college person thing to eat. Tim Buys Twenty five cent cans. They still twenty. His inflation gotten to other like seventy two now. Yeah, so cans of tomato sauce. And I say tomato sauce, I mean it's like it's just tomato sauce with a little bit of spice in it. What's it called? Alpato. Il Poto stands for the duck. Yeah, I'll PATO tomato sauce, Mexican hot style. Right, it's kosher. Look at you, it's and then he takes all the bottoms of every canter rusty like that too, brandon n strata us. They really are, though. And and then he he just pours that into a bowl and then takes nacho cheese dourritos and then dip those others cheese Doritos and eats that food. I'm time in. He comes in here and he goes. I don't know why I feel crappy. Seven, I don't know why. Sorry, let me say it is good. I don't know why go crabby. Two, seven. Okay, first of all, I don't know why. I don't know why I feel erribols on. Go to go to your local Walmart. They will have it in stock. It's in where all of your international foods are, and that I'll it'll be. You'll find it. They've got three different flavors. Yellows the best yellows. Not a flavor you can't think. Yellows the best. Those the best. You get like four cans for less than four dollars and then go bag. Usually get four cans for a dollar. Used to when we were in college, you would go buy those. You had a your closet and Advanngel was full of these. It was it was like kind of our patron when we live together had I usually had about twenty on hand. Yeah, I have about ten progress, but and then we'll get yourself a family sized bag of dirto's and sit down and eat that. You know what you can dress, so listen to what you just said. That's A. that's a that's a bit that I used to have or like. Yeah, I knew I was overweight because I always ate things and everything I ate said family size on it. That's A. That's A. I was four pounds. Dude, once you get and then for dessert to seat a dozen cupcakes, you're not gonna live forever. I'm just nobody's gonna live forever. You're not either. You gotta die something, I'm telling you, guys. Go, go, buy some, eat it. It'll change your life. It's not bad, but it's not worthy doing extra work. If you're going out of your way to do this, don't. It's great, it's so good. Give it a try. It's part of timps. Don't get well quick track. Yeah, there you go. And if you go to Alpatocoma tilling, you can use Promo Code, the Yellow One. What are you doing right now? I'm email on them. You're emailing Alpato. Yeah, they don't check their email. With a rusted cane that I don't think. I they have email. They have an email. Cinda a hard letter. It's not alpatacom. I'll Pados the brand name their company. I don't know. If you can see it on here. I can't remember the name of the company I follow on Instagram. Why? Because I love it. It's really, really good. Okay, the brain. I follow, my screaming only account I follow. anyways. So this Guy Ed runners in him become really good friends and everybody thought it was some reason was odd. Yeah, well, come to find out, ed got fired from Philip Morris and so he was hanging out at the office with John and they were working on a new business idea to oh so I did not work there. Well, he did work at he used to, but he got fired. You got five. He was just hanging out as if he worked there. Yeah, and I like this. Him and John Rufo started working on a new duce idea. Yeah, I work here. Yeah, no, you don't. I mean I I'm here every day working what you termor you were seen me. Yeah, you see me here every day. So the you do that at McDonald's? Do you think you could? Do you think you could do that? Like McDonald's real harder. They have uniforms. Find a place that doesn't have uniforms. It has to be like relatively large, like I feel like the smallest place could be like a Walmart type play. That's true. Like it would have to be a place where it's like you might not know for the employee. You know, like you probably see them around, but like you might not. You might just assume, oh, hey, that's just a new guy, you know. Okay, but I gotta like McDonald's. I don't think there's there's enough people on a shift as too tight, tight quarters, I think. Okay, probably give it a shot. Let us know how it goes. Okay, so they start looking working on this new business idea that was going to be this computer sophtmore platform. They like had all these ideas for it, but they didn't start like actually working on it right. It just were like brainstorming this idea and they thought it was kind of crazy. They're like this idea kind of crazy. That's what they said. They but they were known around the office, says. They called it project star, and so what they were doing, what they started doing, is they would go to all these different banks to pitch the idea, okay, to try to get a loan to get project star off the ground. Right. What was the project star? Let me double check. Hold on, give me one second. Project starcom telling prode star was this idea for. Okay, imagine a yearbook, but it's online, right, and what did? You could look up old classmates and you could see if they were married, single. Yeah, it. We want to make high school reunions obsolete. That's our this shit. So I was wrong. It wasn't. had nothing to do with software. Barbecue place close. They were trying to produce smokeless cigarettes. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, and so they were going to go back to Philip Morris and like a vape Pin Kinda yeah, or they were just trying to figure out how to make cigarettes less cancers to people around them. I think maybe more like that. I think maybe that was more the idea. I think because because I think around then, like you started having this like there was this new trend of hey, smoking is really bad for everybody. Yeah, yeah, and so they were trying to get ahead of that. And so they are cigarettes that working to have any smoke. Crazy idea. I don't know how that whatever. Were the corner of the bank, right, and that time they're still smoking the bank this you can't see my face right now. All this spent. Your eyes burned. Yeah, that's why his eyes are read that picture so they went to this bank, they pitched the idea and they got a thirteen million dollar alone off of it. Like the bank was like this a great idea, and I walked out of that that meeting saying that went way better than we thought it was going to go. Well, yeah, we expected three thousand dollars. We expected them to say this is a stupid idea, this is never going to work, and they got worner with thirteen million. Walked out with a thirteen million dollar long to start this business. And so instead of starting the business, they just started spending all the money not on business stuff, on Limos and partying and all this stuff during the work day. So He's supposed to be working. John and Ed go to a club and drink and party and all that stuff, and then club during the daytime. Yeah, and then that is rough. Five o'clock hits and they go home. He goes in there like all right, pass America House. How to go back to my wife watches the new episode of Seinfeld. Time go back to my high school. Sweetheart. Hey, we're Bab long day, Duncan tell you, duck, it was great. And he's just drunk and he's like I can't even stand. I was such an exhausting I gotta sit down. I'm so dight. Hey, you sit down. I did say you could use you should. You should sit down. You are sitting down. You are literally sitting down right now. I sit down, you're sitting down already. Hmm Hmmm. MMM. So the there's they're blowing all this money. Oh yeah, and then fourteen million dollars and the banks like, Hey, you gotta pay that back. Yeah, the then they get a bill for a thirteen million dollar long like their first payment. Well, that's a lot of money. So they go and they say, let's go a no loan, let's go pitch this to another bank. And they did it and they started just pan every other bank with another loan and they just started going down the line, Yours, floating thirteen million around. Eventually it totals over thirt three hundred fifty million dollars worth of loans that they got from dozens of banks all across Manhattan because apparently everybody like apparently they were really good at pitching this, like apparently they had created a great but I mean, if you pay off one of them, you're only owing thirteen million. Dollars. Well, it wasn't the concert. What was happening when you were paying off? That makes sense. That makes yeah, they were going and spinning and then they were just paying the email, the minimums, as they were coming through a minimum payment on a thirteen million dollar loan, and then they were just living crazy life like you know what, don't we worry about the government's going to forgive all this day? Eventually they have to. They have to. Yeah, what are they gonna do? It's three hundred and fifty million dollars. See, million dollars. What are they gonna do? WHAT THEY gonna do it? Okay, stop us. I work at Duncan. What are they gonna say? You gotta pay US three to fifty million dollars. Yeah, I'm never gonna have that much. What are they gonna say? Was Skill alone? What's just get another load? Hey, smokes cigarettes. You know exactly where, a little, lot, a lot, exactly where I'm going. You Ready? Yeah, attle hold on, we're thinking the same thing. That's gonna Beautiful. If not, as would be really weird. Let's take it. Got You ready? HMM, sharks. You got it from it wasn't it until it was a good tell it was. It was so good as good setup. Hello Sharks, we're looking for three hundred fifty million dollars. It's a small donation. So here's the thing about when you take out three hundred fifty million dollars from dozens of banks across Manhattan, the FBI don't talk. Well, the FBI says, Huh, I wonder what they're doing. Let's take a look. So they got audited and FBIBOB I do that is the irs, the CIA or the Dia or the DEA or the or the FDA or or the NCAA or the WNBA, one of the WWF or the Ky three, because we care. O my God. Okay, so off track. So this is what they try to do. The frodive. The FBI is FBI, you mean FDAFDM is trying to like a really, the FBI, we're here to ask with a three hundred fifty million dollars. Oh, hello, FBIBI. Okay, so the FBI is like, well, hold on a minute, yeah, your cigarettes are still smoking. Yeah, those are some pretty smoky cigarettes you're smoking right there. So they get added in and they both get convicted, arrested. I should say they will get arrested, but there are mean, they're they're both putting their names on this. Yeah, yeah, and so they both get put up on a ten million dollar bail, which is like which is there, like pull it from the account, like, Hey, could I get like two days? I just need to go to the bank. Yeah. So they get put up on on ten million dollar bales and Ed doesn't have anybody who can pay it. So nobody pays that ten million. Does John Get stuck in there? John? John. No. John's family goes and they said, we can't get ten million. But they came to the Judgehn said what goes to the bank and they're looking, we've got an idea for smokeless cigarettes. They get thirteen million dollars. All right, they go pay his bail. Yeah, yeah, and then with the other three they start a business like real life. You wanted you watch uncut Jim's no, I think a Jim. The whole movie is He's just paying off one debt with borrow money from another person. You know, it's just like a fast bit, like it's all in that little it's anxiety the whole time. So stressful. But that's what this that's what this is it's they're doing. They were just borrowing more to borrow more. Well, his family, they they have no idea that John's doing this. His family and so his wife, who he's been married for seventeen years, he's like goes tos arrested me for no reason. Yeah, I went to work at Duncan today. Yeah, you pull out money from my k. So John's wife goes to their family and they come to the judge and they said, hey, we can't give you ten million dollars, but what if we offer up our house? All of our homes is clateral. So they put up his and his wife's home, they put up his parents home, they put up his parents, like his wife's parents home, and his aunt and uncle and two sets of hurt aunt uncle's homes. So it was nowhere near ten million, but it was enough homes where the judge was like, okay, if he was going to skip bail on this, there's enough people who are going to be their homes that they're going to find him. Yeah, and also it's like that's his mom and his mother in law and anybody who would help him. Yeah, skip bail. Yeah, these are all like the closest people to him, and so it's pretty unlikely that he's willing to screw this many people. And even if he is, like they're the most likely people like that would help or be able to find him. So they they allowed him to come out on bail, which was pretty unusual. Well, it was like meet me too and know it. They're like, you don't have a family. Everybody who loves you left you because you suck. Yeah, I have a family. I have a family who put their houses in the line for me and for that reason I'm out. I was pretty proud of that. That's good. That's good. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify youtube. You'll get it alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. Helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six, six eight hundred and sixty six. Thank you, so much for being here. So John gets out on bail. Yeah, and while he's out on bail is when they make this deal for the self surrender. So fast forward. The story goes to prison or get out. Long between arrest and that trial was this whole process, we know, because what eds and in jail the whole time, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he actually, I think it's still in jail. We could get him out. They got run through the woods and Tennessee, you can make it at the Barklay Marathon? Did you could have your feet. What if that's what the Broccoley beer thought was? It's all the prisoners from that prison. Yeah, it's like anybody who makes it to the and get them. Hey, you're treading on some real dystopian nightmare stuff. So maybe let's see. It was a long time. I think he got arrested in ninety six and ninety eight was win that? Yeah, conviction happened. I was worn along like a long period. And so he leaves and that FIS trying to figure out where he is. The Marshal trying to figure out where he is. No one knows. On Bai only doesn't know. Now. This is after is after after the conviction and he fly, flies somewhere, allegedly. Yeah, well, they're trying to figure out where he went and they have like nothing to go off. The leads has I and even the family has no idea. But the families not not helping, and so they had to do the the FBI did the only thing they could think of, which was the only clatter they had, and they seized all those homes. So his wife, both of his sets, his parents, his inlaws, his aunt and uncle, and then her two sets of her own uncle's all had their homes seized because they said, well, maybe if we do this, he'll come back and be like, I can't put okay, so imagine I'm seeing. Imagine aunt and uncle, right, yeah, imagine that. You've worked your whole life, all right, because all these people are elderly at this point, I'm saying tired. We were to our whole lives. And then my brother's kid wife, my brother's my kids, brother's daughter's husband is an idiot. Yeah, and you're like, I barely know him. I see him at Thanksgiving every once in a while. Sure, and I don't like. I don't like he's weird, I don't like right he's weird. Yeah, I don't dude. How I would describe him is he's a computer nerd, you know, and sometimes you meet him and you're like these guys very nice, but he's just not, you know, and he kind of sucks. But it like we really love her. She's our nice you know. And so I mean, I guess there's no way he would really mess u up this much and take our home. And then the government shows up at your house and it's like hey, yeah, yeah, turns out, you know how you thought he sucked. Yeah, he does stands out. He really does say yeah, and they the police just showed up and was like hey, you guys are moving. Yeah, and they're just like, Yep, give us this house. Yeah, they literally they like shut up and they said, hey, you guys have an hour, you're moving, and then they change the locks and like that's stresses me so sad and to me, like I don't know, that part as a story frustrates the heck out of me because it's like I don't know, like I know that that was the case in technically agreement. You knew what you were signed up for. Yeah, but at the same time it's like there comes a point where, like, you just kind of have to be a human and say as when you're the judge, like you got Ba yeah, like these people didn't do anything wrong. John did well, but you don't know if any of these people are helping him be gone. I think at this point they knew that they didn't, because because that they've taken them all on for questioning. They've done all this, like they've they heard other leads. I think at this point they know if he started access to all this money. Yeah, well, okay, so they did. They were able to collect at the point of his arrest, about three hundred and like thirty eight million dollars. Yeah, so there was about seventeen million that was unaccounted for. So they probably spent a lot. Yeah, but there's probably still some other money that they don't have a paper trill for, which we can get to that. I guess maybe not. Was a good time for some theories. There's five theories about what happened. Oh my Josh. Okay, first, he left a suicide note on his dining room table when he left. The problem with the suicide wrote note, though, is that his wife doesn't believe it. She said it was it was super cold and like and even like some like psychologists have read it and said that this doesn't check out as a suicide. Yeah, someone who is this is a like you're covering up for. Yeah, you're trying to make everyone think you killed yourself because, like he it's very cold. He says he reached his breaking point, but then, other than that, he says he like he had no choices. Just understand, like this is me beating them and he's decided to give himself to God. But didn't say anything about like the relationship, like didn't a lot of a lot of did mentioned Ed, didn't mention had a lot of them. A lot of times in suicide knows, people apologize for the making it. He didn't apologize, like it was just he's doing this to beat just like yeah, I'm gone now. Yeah, yeah, pretty much like I'm out of here, so don't bother looking for me. Yeah, you're never gonna him into dead. Yeah, so nobody leaves that, not even his wife. The next big theory is that he's just hiding out in plain sight, that he's living somewhere in the country and probably had changed his appearance a little bit. You're and I'm connect for this and it just kind of live in his life. They say now he'd be sixty seven and he's just trying to blend into the crowd these days. I mean, that would exactly took a few million dollars as living off of that cash money, and is just I mean, if you needed to disappear and you shaved and then just gained fifty pounds, you would not be ye, as recognizable. Shave your head, like shave a shave whatever facial or you have, go to the PLACETA surgeon, or just hit yourself in the face of the brick a few times. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, just break your nose as years, because they break themselves in the face. But here's here's the interesting part about this. This will sound familiar to you because a few years ago, in two thousand and sixteen, the US marshals received a tip that someone thought they spotted him Adam La dodgers game. What no, way, is a video from the game. He was in the second row behind home plate, a man who looks similar, yeah, to yeah, you do what he would look like if he was you know tell the looks like a hit in the face of the brick. In this picture. I love they blurred this guy's face, like it makes a difference if it wasn't a pretty supero like here's a super blory photo. Let's really make sure that no one identifies this guy. That actually the other guy was holding up like a little bit. Looks like they took a picture of their TV on the Nokia phone. Well, here's the thing, here's the thing. He was there was no shot where someone's looks like a picture you look at and you be like, yeah, there's a face. They're like what you would show somebody back. There's a ghost. You see, it's a fake. You see the face, but that's what this looks like the guy. Well, they ended up contacting the dodgers, figuring out what seat that was and who purchased that seat, and they found that guy and the FBI went and they got him to agree to get fingerprinted, and so you got fingerprinted. The issue was it wasn't a match. So the guy, while he looks a lot like him, he doesn't. You can't, I don't know if he doesn't mean. Look at this, he kind of looks like them. And look at that. He got a yeah, like he looks like if someone went to party city and got a John Ruffoam mask like you know, like you know those really baggy like JFK masks like, or Nixon masks like. That's what this looks like. Like you, if you want to this, if you're watching the LA daughters game, there's someone wearing a Nixon mask behind home plate, though. You know, I thought I'd be like that's John Rufolk. Mass mandate still in effect. I gotta, I have to wear this. Yeah, so that that lead came up to EMP team. But there's been a long running theory that he's just out here somewhere in the country, just living off cash, yeah, and laying low, obviously far away from his family and friends and everyone whoever new one so la would check out because he always lived. What if he's one of the police officers in Mount Vernon where? I was like, he looks like a COP Mon Vernon. You know, I'm Brad. I'm Brad, I'm glad. I'm Brad. I'm Brad. I'm glad you brought that up because there's a picture of him that has sparked a lot of controversy of him with the FBI and to his left, right there, he's holding the gun very inappropriately to well, to the left of him, right there is the assistant director of the FBI. I. That's the the blurry face next to him. Yeah, who was also saying they so what the dodgers say? Blurry face, everyone's face, the BLURD. He's holding that gun. Is that a gun he's holding? That's a gun. Yeah, he's not holding that. Well, yeah, he's got that up there like he's got his singer on the sugar. Yeah, he's never held a gun before. Best, that's not him. That's him. That's him. Was He in the FBI? No, what is this? So this is a very interesting thread. John will tell you, and he was rather open with selling computers, but was rather open with his co workers, that he had a government contract that he worked on and it was highly secretive and he would tell his employees. Is the conspiracy of the FBI helped him get away. So he would tell of his employees. He would say, Hey, I'm going to be working on this government contract. Please do not project Duncan and he would close closes office door and he'd be in there for hours working on this. That's the that's the bet. Like of course that's what you would do. Is You guys. Hey, guys, I'm we're gonna when it come over here. I'm working on very secret things. I've working on super secret government documents. When ed shows up with two women, they are with the FBI, don't say anything. Just let them in. Don't say anything, don't say a word. Yeah, but he he talked. He was pretty opened with the fact that he worked on a very secretive government contract and he would let things slip a lot to say that like the work he did was like saving us from nuclear oblivion in the Cold War. Yeah, if it's true, we don't know, but what we do know is that that we do know have documents. That these that is tie is the same pattern as a hotel conference room. The carpet you're entire about. Yeah, that is that is the Oh, that's pretty bad. Well, the FBI was recred of working with him. Oh, okay, what they what the records say, though, is that it was minor computer work. That he's obviously then. What is unusual, though, is if he was working on some minor computer projects, why does he have a picture with the assistant director of the FBI and why did they let him hold a gun in the picture? Yeah, but he clearly doesn't know how to hold it. Doesn't know how to hold a gun with playing it straight up with his finger in the trigger. Yeah, and he's got the TAG team like they've got like this isn't a serious FBI team. Is there a full picture of this? Yeah, there, I mean there's more people in the I don't see the context. If it's possible. Yeah, let me this is obviously this is zoomed in. Yeah, let me see if I can get that. Is that how tall the assistant director is? He's obviously sitting down. For the listeners, it is just because it dim damp. He doesn't look like a freaking we got big as eye sockets. Look on that picture, because he's worse sunglasses, I hope. If not, he's got two big dark circles for eyes. Holy Cow Man, was he a little Goblin? So, yes, so the theory here what? They helped him. He did something for the FBI. Yeah, he was like, I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine. Yeah, and so they helped him. They helped him get wet Ed, take the fall for it, take my aunt and uncle's house. Yeah, yeah, who cares? But he knows the assistant director well a picture with somebody doesn't mean they know them. But yes, I mean, yeah, that's true, but anyways. So I have to keep making that distinction because you see how many politicians get destroyed from people who are like, Oh, look, he's got pictures with this person, and it's like yeah, but if someone comes to my show and takes a picture with me and then does something insane, yeah, it doesn't mean that doesn't mean like yeah, yeah, you just took a picture with them, but I mean like, I don't know, like how often are how often does the like here? They have an SBI hat, yeah, and take a picture with us, hold my gun, like like it's unusual. It doesn't seem like something you would do for just some guy who did some computer work for your agency. It is a little odd that he have a computers with new is a new thing. Maybe, I don't know. I I think it's I think it's odd that he got this picture, given the work that they have to sure he did. If he did something closer, I bet. I'm sure he embellished, but if he did something closer to what he said, it would make more sense that he got this picture. But if all he did was sell them some computers and set them up for him. To me, that makes no sense. Like my he would have this picture. But anyway. So the theory is that the FBI helped him get off with it, because there is that missing money. Yeah, and if he does know, the director of the FBI just paid it off. Yeah, Hey, I'll cut you. Yeah, I'll see you seven million dollars if you make me disappear. And the FBI would know how to do that. I'm sure they do it all the time, help people disappear. I don't know if they help people disappear with that. Make him disappear. You know, they some say you don't exist anymore. Have Fun in New Mexico, John Rufo, or should I say John Ralphuel, fun in Indiana. Theories. We are two more. Yeah. So the next theory is that the Russians are hiding him. So some MOMS comes back. So this was Cold War era. This this was end of Cold War era, right. But there was a this what he was working with the FBI. There is a storyline that he had worked with the Russians, like what he was supposed to be doing for the FBI was he was doing it for Russia to take Russia down he was. He was a double agent for Russia and there was an interesting segment in the story because his employees retell that there was a moment when he was working on that government contract when there was a set of two people who had desks from the government that we're working with them, but they said that he did. Both those people had very thick Russian accents and they both wore holsters on their ankles with guns in them. And they want to talk to anyone. I'm glad you clarified. Guns, holsers angles for slaves. One guy is really was a big snacker to which down is their gob stoppers down there, you know. So. And they wouldn't talk to anyone. They just come in, do their work all day and leave and they had their little little guns. But that the Russian accents and so okay. The theory is that he was a double agent and he had ties to Russian. Russia saved him. Yeah, and they chipped them off to Russia and they said you're one of us. Now say goodbye to John Ruffo. You're now John Russia. U Yourd okay, and the evidence for this is a picture of if you're audio listener, you can't see it on the screen right now, but it's John Rufo and Putin next to each other. So in front of a boarding building. It's it's they yeah, it's pretty it goes hard man, so bull shirtless for some reason. Yeah, clearly not their torso, yeah, yeah, for shot. I. The other theory is that he moved to Italy with help from the Mafia. I was going onder of the Mafia was going to be involved. Yeah, yeah, he is Italian. Yes, he's pay them off pretty easy. He comes from Italian descent. But it's more than that. His Barber was Italian and actually a few years after John disappeared, his barber move back home to Italy. Also, his office, John Ruffo's office, was in the same building of this restaurant where a famous mob boss by the name of Paul Castello was gunned down in this office are in that restaurant. Yeah, like very famously, while John Rufe was still worked there. And so some people think that he might have been connected to that, because employees said that all day, even prior to the event, he was acting very erratic that day, as if he knew what was going to happen that day. He's walk around the office going down. Yeah, yeah, and then like like they hear these tire screens. He's like, turn on the news, and then they hear all the shots and it's like, would you know? Something hold on happening here, it seems like. So there's theories that he was connected to the mob. They're all theories and the ideas the mob helped ship them off to Italy. Yeah, there, we already cover this one. The auto, the FBI, my bad. The addition thing, the addition to this one that makes it a little bit more credible, is his wife said that during that month where he was supposed to sell surrender, before he sells surrendered, he said that. She said there was one time that made me think maybe he was planning on doing something weird, and it was for dinner. He said, can we have LASAGNA, and I was like you never ask for this. He said, I just want to try it. I just want to, I want I've always wondered, I just do want to lasagna. I wondered what life would be like if all I was looking before I go to prison. Maybe I don't know. The trial hasn't happened. Jill, still pending. Yeah, so what is that fig on your ankle. It's where I keep my twizzlers. So his wife, his wife said that what he one time he just randomly was like, Hey, what if we moved to Italy? And she was like, she's like, he's probably in Italy, because one time he was like, what if we move to Italy? Well, no, I was during this period before he left. Oh yeah, if I disappear, he just raised going to be like, you know where he's always wanted to go? A cruise ship. Was this pizza place in North Kansas City. Re meet and Tim drive past this piece of place all the time on our way to lunch and every time we oh, we need to try that. So I'm saying, if I disappear, you're gonna one of the police and be like he's always wanted to go to that Pizza Nice. Yeah, he y plays this video game called the watcher. So to this day no one's found. He could be an Italy, could be in Russia, he could have paid off the FBI. He could be dead, honestly, sixty seven, like he could have died in naturally positive and now healthy. Yeah, or he's just living in plain sight out there in the world. He could be he could be in one of the cars that drives. But I was little, damn it, I hate the you did that. I was little about to be like. I mean, he could be look out your window right now. Yeah, he I could be one of them. He could be across the street in a window with the BNOCULARS watching you open up your briefcase. He could be in the Appalachian Mountains. You know. Do you know how many marathons you be a lot to run if you had seventeen million dollars? The interviews are dollar sixty and a pack of smokeless cigarettes. Wait a minute. Anyway, I really think what happened is he paid off the director of the FBI. Yeah, I think I've put in its. Devil helped him do it. Satan. He was like, please, Satan Dears, see, here's Satan. If you give me having this, I'll give my life to you. I'll give you thirteen million dollars. Fiddle off, joenre. Things of the last night is a production of space tim media produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by conner best, social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. 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What are the names that come to mind when you think of bank robbers? For many, names like Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger, and maybe even certain GTA V characters fill the mind. However, these robbers don’t even scratch the surface. While, technically, not a bank robber, John Ruffo conned a few dozen banks out of more than $350 million. … Read More

The Barkley Marathons – The Race That Might Actually Kill You

05-03-22

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Hey, man, what's going on? Oh, not much. I hate when you start episodes like that. You do that long Oh, oh, go oh. Have you ever heard of the Berkeley Marathons? The Berkeley Marathon? Yes, is this what Charles Barklay does that Easter every year his house. They're just like it's the Berkeley Marathons. Everyone in line up, welcome to the Barkley Marathon. And Yeah, makes everyone run until they puke. Yeah, try. Last person to Puke wins. He's got the property for it. Them just runs around his backyard until I can you imagine if you didn't have the property for he's got like backyard Acre back dude, three hundred laps. It's like what you said when you when it rains and you have to go for a run. I do. I run in my living room. Just walk the why do you laugh at that? I do. I've that's what that's how I started when I when I originally lost weight, well, because I was four hundred pounds, I didn't want to run outside, I mean, as I thought that people were going to see me. I think you know I'm that's embarrass you see a fat person run, because in your mind you're like you don't do that every day. You know. That's what I knew people are going to think about it. I mean shout out to you for finding something that works for you. And I ran back and forth in my hotel rooms, and I even care if i's on the first floor. I hope. I hope I was shaking a chandelier underneath me. You don't talking about I hope someone was in the lobby. The idea see the lights going, just the idea of you running twelve foot gasser's living rooms outers and what I do kills. I did it this morning. It was a little too chili outside. Don't you have a Palate Peloton? Now, Palat on Peloton. Hey, don't tell it about that. Oh sorry, we're trying to get money from right supporters. All right, we're trying been hey, support us on Patrio. They don't need to know that I'm rich Patriot pelotize. They don't need it. Know it's on Peloton. Support US on pelotime. You can follow me. You've got at that. You can't. You don't have it. He's got one of those exercise bikes from that Garrig. Knowing that I have an excid an exercize bike. I have an exercise bike that's worth more than your car. How do you feel about that? I have a home Jim. Do you have a Home Jim? Have you seen? Yeah, you just buy some weights on facebook market tace. I mean it's not bad, it's not great, it's not bad. I don't use it. I have a home Jim to yeah, yeah, he just hangs out the other room. It's one of my neighbors. Like he got him to leave. Jim. How's it going? I'm your home as my home Jim. Anyway, you're gonna love this house. There's a home gym in the basement. Oh my gosh, we should do that. WHO's that? Oh, that's your home je that's your home Jim. Yeah, and it's just a guy that like it's like a really creepy unfinished basement. He's just sitting there on like like I'll count how many times you run wall the walls a kid. He's got with you. Fut Pig cheer. Dude. is every creepy guy in the s haveing a camping chair the Dave had since they were twenty two. You know, he's just he's just wall the way. Saying that it goes in years ago, lost that a long time ago, running across the basement and halfway through there's that little puddle where the water is going on the drain and it's like watch that puddle. Like blows the whistle every time a minute. Yeah, every time he's stepping he's like we was the whistle. Yeah, that's my whole gym. How many laps in my living? The Dutt Mile? And he says this is a person that he knows for a fact we're not going to make it. That's all. I'm go go sound like prison name. I guess they kind of do. Actually, I don't know what he sounds like. I'm going to make a guess and you can tell me if I'm right around he said duct tape and vastling. All right, that's everything. Things last night anyways, similar concept. So the Barkley Marathon. It was started by two guys. They're friends in Wartburg, Tennessee, okay, which is a little it's in froze like just outside frozen head state park, which is near probably the biggest town you would know as Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Yeah, which is really crazy that you brought that up earlier. I was like where did that come from? Because we've taught we got an episode about Oak Ridge. Well, I know, but it was just surprising because I literally I didn't even bring up Tennessee. I just said where does that and you said, Oh, Christ Tennessee, and I was like, oh, that is weird. But yeah, this is right by after Steve. I was just there this past week. Yeah, doing some nuclear bomb stuff with my away from Home Jim. He gets to see the world about traveled Jim. Home Jim is begging me to move into a bigger place, but not right now. No, no, anyways. So it was. So it's in that area of Tennessee, like that northeast rocky top, the mountain. Yeah, the mountainous tennis Appalachian Mountains, the APPALACHIANS. So their names are Gary can trail and Carl Hen but they're more affectionately known as Lazarus Lake. That's Gary can trail and Carl Henna is known as raw dog. No, they're not. Yeah, that's legitimate. to WHO. WHO calls everybody? Everybody? Everybody. Yeah, everybody. Why what are they just called with his names? Call Me Rod, I don't want it. Lazarus, late Lazarus, like people usually call him lass though. Hey, man, my name is LAS is first name for short Gary. Gary. Yeah, I guess you could make up a bed one the other ones, Carl. Yeah, Hey, I'm gary. You can call me Lazarus Lake. Yeah, we should dinner reservations. What was it? Him? One, geary. I don't have anything. Okay, try Cantrell. No, no, not, try man. What needed it? Lazarus Lake. How we got yes, sorry, Mr Lair, right this way. Why? Who? Okay, I don't know. Will it make more sense? No, okay, I mean it might. There might be a point where you're like, Oh, I understand, but it's not. We're never going to explain it. There's never an explanation. But there might be a point where you say this makes this checks out. Okay. So they in the s early s they heard of the escape of James Earl Ray from brushy mountain state penitentiary. Now, rushy mountain state not a college prison. Be Cool if college had a prison, though. They they after you. They do. It's just more of a metaphorical prison called debt rushy mountain state penitentiary. When on, like when you're released, they give you hoodies that say brushy mountain state on Themni Association showed up. I was with you whatever. No. So the the prison is a for the longest time had been kind of a prison where they shipped off some of the hardest criminals because it's placed right in the center of the Appalachians and if you escape, you you ain't getting anywhere. Yeah, was the the theory is, yeah, even if that's a squatches, people are like that's a Sasquatch, is it? Well, I's just an escape convict, you know, and that's why they started all these man hunts. Yeah, they were like, yeah, let's find the police were like Tass squat's like yeah, let let's find him, you know. But the theory generally was like, if anybody does escape, they're just going to get lost in the woods and I'm going to find him. And James Earl Ray was one of those situations. He escaped. If you don't know who James Ouray is, he's the assassin who killed Martin Luther King Jr. And so in seventy seven he escaped from prison. A legend. He escaped from prison and he went into the woods with I think there's four other convicts at all. Got It like they stage this big escape. How they get out? I don't know. Actually, maybe we can do another episode on that. I'll look into it and see if it's interesting. We should look up some prison escapes. Yeah, that does sound interesting actually. Yeah, and then we should try it. We gotta Try Robin a bank. We gotta try and well's what we'll do. Yeah, tell it, escape from prison. Well, till one's got to go to prison first. Right, so let's try and goes to college. Let's dress out college. Right, prison, let's try to rob a bank, all right, and see if we get arrested. And if we do, then we do all the episode. Yeah, I mean we it's a matter of what can you get away with? Can't we get it? If we can't get away with robbing a bank, will be like we failed, which sets US send us up for this, and that's isn't that how God works? You know, if one plan doesn't work out and the other ones right around, we can do it. Yeah, and then we could try to get out of prison. Great. So they escape and none of them made it. So the other three died in the olderness. He was found fifty four hours later after traveling eleven miles, and actually found him face down in a pile of leaves and he just like his body gut gave out an exhaustion. He only made eleven miles and so they took it back to prison. Oh, he wasn't dead. No, yeah, he was alive. He's just faced down in a pile of leaves, which is a metal core album. FACEDOWN IF I was trying to face down in the least. was that face down in the day? Yeah, apparatus Christian band. Did you know that? Are They not? A lot of people knew that they were Christian band. anyways, probably were a band. Had some Christians. No, that was before anybody said that they were a Christian band, but they weren't anyways. They weren't a winter jam band. It's different. That's a that's a whole. Not anyways. So after hearing about this raw dog and LAS, we're like, Huh, interesting, I don't like this. Okay, they were like that's interesting. We're day in prison. No, no, they were just they lived in the nearby town. But if they go to prison? M As far as I know, no, they might have at some point, but I don't know. That's are I go sound like prison name. I guess they kind of do actually, but rodog and las were like that's interesting. I wonder how far we could get. Like he made eleven miles. Like how far could we go? And so they so they literally did what I just did like three minutes ago, where I was like we should try that. But they did it break out a prison. They just said if we just let's start from the hole in the wall. Yeah, just want to know the prison and walked away. That's where people got out. So they go to getting character. They go drop in if you will. You're like, okay, we just got in a prison, right, what we were you in for? They come with all these back stories. Yeah, so they went out and they managed to go fifty miles. They backpacked through the Appelatians. They managed to go fifty miles and find their way out of the Wilderness and they were like that was kind of interesting. It was really hard, but it was kind of fun. And they're like, what if we made a marathon out of that? And so they said they were trying to bear grill style. At first was like, let's see if we get they were just like mountains. They just saw this guy get caught and they're like I could do that. We could. They like, I could do that. So then they created a marathon where they like if we can do it. So while they were on this, they were like this would make a pretty good marathon. And I don't know if they were marathon guys before, it sounds like by the fact that their names are las and raw dog, the they want, I don't think they were not the type that's doing organized anything. So they put together this Maryor. They did fifty miles, which is a deble marathon. Yeah, yeah, it's huge, and so they were like we could, we could make a marathon out of this. Do you know how long I term to do it? If took him a few days like they were. They out, yeah, camping. They took their time, but they so they started. They call it the Berkley Marathons, and the first one was in eighty six, hundred and eighty six, and this marathon has since become one of the more famous marathons in the world. In Europe it is probably hands down the most famous American marathon. People travel from all over the world to participate in this marathon. Okay, the cash is you have to get arrested first. Yeah, and that goes on your permanent record. There's a lot of catches, probably the biggest catch being it's the most difficult marathon that exists. Since it was started in one thousand nine hundred and eighty six, fourteen people have finished it. Fourteen people, including the Philo, Lazarus and raw dog that I don't think they've done it. I don't think they've done I mean, they wentn't backpacked, but I don't think they've done the marathon. Okay, I could be wrong about that, but I don't. I don't, I don't think. How. Why is it twenty six point two miles? Well, so there's kind of two phases of it. They're adequately named, the short one in the long one. Yeah, yeah, do you want to do the short one of the long one? So is this official? I flew from Europe for this. So the short one ran from eighty six to eighty nine and that ran until eighty nine when Ed Furta, his nickname is frozen, changed it after what do you want your nickname to be? Apparently we can be a beinning. You know, I don't think I stink of what's all right, cars, which pigs are by cars. This guy's frozen. I'm cars tip car, stop here, you Pixar. Can it be animated movies? I would like to be Monster House. Don't ever call me anything that's not monster house again. All right, he chose cars. The reason I chose cars is because, over a lege today, I've watched an interview with Hasbella. You know that came. That's my favorite. There are two accounts. I honestly all would follow everybody else on instagram and only followed two people, and the two people are has Bellah and your boy Josh. Those are the only two people that I want to follow on social media. Well, in the interview, if you don't know, first of all, if you don't know who has Bulah is. Yeah, what's he's a nineteen year old. Says he had some European country right where. He's in Russia. He's a Russian, so Russia. But he's got some kind of not a disease, but a it's a condition. It's like a like, not disorder. Yeah, a form of tooism where he literally looks like a four year old child. Google has blood. Yeah, it's my favorite. Nineteen years old, but he he looks like a top, he looks like a toddler, and so the first video I saw was they were driving real fast in the car and he's in the passengercy holding on. It looks like someone's endangering a child's life. Yeah, but he's an adult and he's dangering his own life. Dude. It is in all of the did you see his bar stool interview? It's probably the same interview I watched then. Yeah, with the long hair, dude. Yeah, and he's just eating chocolate ice cream the whole times. Yeah, and I love all the comments that are like this is a nineteen year old man. He's got ice cream all over his face, like because he's just leaning into the fact that, like, I'm a kid, I look like a kid. Yeah, the guy as them. He said, like what's your passion, like, what do you want to do with your life? And he said I love cars. And he said what do you love about cars? He's like tuned them up, like the sound they make, like how fast they are, like with the experience of driving them, like I just love cars. And the guy asks, he's like, he's like, I've you ever seen the movie? And the guy was like, I'm an adult, like as I was like, I'm an adult, I don't want cartoons and he's like, I'm an adult, I love cars. Yeah, it's yeah, that's my favorite. So cars is social night of Post Day. Sure it's what you've been thinking about cars so much. Yeah, that's why my mind has just been cars all day. All right, well, your cars, I'm Monster House, and you and I would set out on the original one. So in eighty nine, frozen, frozen, frozen was the first person to finish. Okay, three what is that? Three years in the base, like we need to make it longer. Yeah, someone finished it. At this point the race was fifty five miles. Oh my gosh. And so that's the shorter one. Yeah, so that's the short one. And so after he finished it, las and raw dog, we're like, well, this is too easy. He was a first person to finish. Three years down the LEA years in. They're like Dang, and so they extended it to a hundred mile race along when they extended it, you're allowed to sleep and stuff. I mean yeah, but you probably not going to finish because it's a hundred mile race and the way it works is they're twenty mile loops. So you're doing twenty mile loops around the Appalachian Mountains. And during the loop five times. Yeah, you do that twenty mile loop five times. The catches. You have sixty hours to do it. Here's the thing, though, it's in the Appalachian Mountains. So throughout the course of this race, from all the different climbs that you're doing, you end up climbing twenty sevenzero feet in elevation across the whole race. So because you're going up hill, down hill, up hill, down hill, right, and so it's incredibly physically trying. Well, one, if you're going to go a hundred miles in what is that? A little over two days, like two and a half days. Yeah, even doing that like flat. Yeah, but kill you. But how far do people make it? Most people finish eight, one, two, two, loops, somewhere in that range. Most people don't make it two, three, four five, but you only have sixty hours to do it. There was I watched a video. It was somebody who was like so close. Yeah, I watched the video of a guy from Europe who the cutoff is sixteen, sixty hours. You have to finish it in sixty hours. He was thirteen seconds past sixty hours. That's all say. No, no, no, no, no, no. He didn't. He didn't finish. No, no, that's all I'm saying. I would lose my mind. Yeah, he was. He had a full buy. Would protest, you know, I would burn down the APPALACHIANS and I would say time it. See how long it takes. You've ruined. You've ruined, bruised. This nature tied around rage. Yep, you did this, this is your fault. Last yeah, you don't know if it was last decision. It could have been raw dogs. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or, if you're watching on youtube, leave a comment. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets who were separated at birth, unbeknowns to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So there's a lot of really fun stuff. We talked about in an episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one, and that's what I'm saying, is that imagine that last curve where people are like come on, you know, everyone's cheering, you know, and then like the person the clock is like, no, he's literally the thirteen seconds would be like from here to that wall. Yeah, well, I don't think that's, after all, hundred mine. Yeah, I guess you're like hundred miles yellowing. Yeah, that's true. That is true. I would say he lost. He lost, but he's the closest. But how many people have like like finish the hundred miles, though? I don't know how many people, because because, I mean, there is a point where it's like if you've ran ninety five miles and you look at your clock like Oh, it's been sixty one hours, you're kind of like, I'm not going to, I'm done running. Hey, do it fine, yeah, forget that, and I think your body kind of gives out. And so that's the whole, the whole point of it. Like laughs, body wouldn't MMM LAS and how many laps in my living room? Do you think? A hundred miles? If I go through troop, you know, make that a website. How many? How many laps in Charon's living room is this files because like here, here, here and here is like a tenth of a mile. So if I go so, how many laps is that? I'm running diagonal in my living room, right. It made my dining rooms involved. Yeah, and sometimes my front entry way right there. Yeah, so I'm running corner to corner, to corner to corner. That's the right of a mile. That's a tenth of a mile. So that's two laps. Back and forth. We call back and forth lap. Are just whack and forth. That's one and a half laps. So if you go from corner to corner to original corner, that's a full lap. Right then. No, looks corner, corner, corner there. That's a Tenh of a mile. Yeah, one two, three, okay, one two, okay, see what you're saying. Yeah, so, okay, so for four, but I would say one two. That's a lap. So see, one lap is a twenty of a mile. No corner to to let hold on. So if it's corner relaps, is is is it twenty of a mile? Okay, cool, that's that's all I need to know. Is Point two miles. Three laps is point two miles. So you have to go. So I have to go fifteen laps per one mile. So it's fifteen hundred laps. Yeah, they do a hundred miles. So that's three thousand times. Across my living room. That's bro One, two, three hundred four, three thousand times, you know. And sometimes my coffee table, I don't put it in all the way. You know, I'd push my hot table all the ways. It's a straight line and so and I'm just doing I'm doing sprint some my liver. You know what's. Say what you want, but like I guarantee we should foot race. I could run faster than you and fathering you, I'm sure you can. I hate the people. I know why. That's what bothers me. I know that I'm a larger person, all right. I hate when people comment the fat one on Youtube, because I go. But I am in just a different league of health than did you see? Because would the things that you've eaten and the thing you get out of breath so easy? I do. Yeah, I get literally one of us in this whole show has to go every five seconds because your one capacity is nothing. All right, it's acture. That's accre it anyways. So they it. Maybe not. They extended into the long one for not defending yourself. A hundred and so that was an eighty nine. Right. Since then, since then it took it took six years for anyone else to finish again, and that was a guy by the name of Mark Williams from the UK. But he goes by he finished it in fifty nine hours and twenty eight minute. What does he go by? He doesn't have a nickname. Oh, so that's an Appalachian trail thing. Is that? I'm figuring out? No, I'M gonna see. I'm serious. Yeah, everyone gets like trail nicknames. So and then after that, really what happens is every time someone finishes, they make it a little harder. So so they're like, well, I guess it's too easy. They so it's supposed to be too possible. It's not supposed to be impossible. It's that he said we want to get to the point where about one percent of people finish this that race. Ever, because he said so his his lass, I don't think Rod Ogg's involved anymore. Yeah, Rod dog was like. Rod Dog was like listen, he only it was thirteen seconds. Give it to him. You know, the last us was like it's the principle, Rodag win and started the one Thousan nine hundred and four Olympic marathon. There we go. Yeah, no, so, yeah, I don't know. It's like they had a falling out or if he lost inches or if he died, like I really don't know, like I can't. I don't know what happened to there's no, there's no records. If you google raw doll, I mean if you there's no. If you look on the wikipedia page for the marathon lads, Rust Lake has his on page. Okay, raw dog does not. So I would your allows. Rus lakecom a little nervous about this. He hasn't changed the word press theme logo on the top left corner. So he's got his alsting. He's using the divvy theme. Yeah, that's interesting, and it's and advertising a different race, which is interesting anyway. So then we're finding out that he does multiple races. Well, I knew he did Multiori says, I didn't know about this. This is a race that goes from Oh gosh, this race goes from let me see, what town is this right here? What's that town called? I know, I know what this is. It's a little outside of a town and it's pretty far from that actually. It's near Sikeston Missouri. Okay, probably about fifty miles out of Sikeston or Cape Girardo. Not Cape Girardo, it's further sout. It's south, okay, from there, to catch these guys, a psycho back. I just realized that the math wrong on my living room. Okay, to Coal City, Georgia. Oh my gosh. So, yeah, this guy's the psychopath, but this one, but he doesn't do them. No, yes, this is three hundred and fourteen miles. Is the race he's anyways. Yeah, so, yeah, he doesn't do the races. He just crazs these crazy races. And so if you watch the interview with him, it's really interesting watching him because every interview I found, I watched like a dozen, and every interview I can find, literally every single person says, Lazarus, are you a sadist? And he like laughs about. He's like no, he says, I just think. I think our culture has gotten too comfortable with comfort and we don't know how to deal with being uncomfortable and doing something that's difficult. And so he says. I wanted to create something that is really hard but possible, to help people see, hey, like, I'm stronger than I think I am and I can go further than I think I can, and so I said. So this race, the Berkeley Marathon, is really designed to push you to the edge of your mental and physical limits and really the majority of people who do it realize, I'm not going to finish this race, but they want to push themselves as far as they can and see how far they can make it. Do you get like a certificate that you made it like eighty seven miles or whatever? Know when you finish? When you finish, you no joke, no joke. Let me tell you. Let me tell you the prize. You're gonna love this. The prize is you finish the race and then, if you finish, you get there's a special thing called clear right, and guy takes you. The guy takes you. Do it another room, a briefcase you can reach Otate win this race and your win enlightenment. Now literally he w the race and there's a special green lawn chair by the finish line that you get to sit in and watch everybody else. And that's it. That's all it is you get to you get to cosplay. My Home Jim get a lawn chair out and he's gonna sit there be like this is what I've trained for. Watch out for that puddle. Good Jub you one. You get a job down spoken. I guess you can sit on the ground. I have a chair. Okay, this is perfect. Let me detail this whole the whole scenario for you. So if you were to want to run in this race, there's no what I'll do. There's no public information of how you register. So even getting involved in it is very difficult. It's basically invit. Only somebody who's ran the race just got you. Oh, I was going to say Lazarus just has to see you running one day and be like he's got four, it's got it. Yeah, that's also one of the reasons I ever ran outside. I was, you know, I don't want to get picked up by any marathons. He just travels the world watching other marathons and he sits on the sides and he's like hey, you got good hips son you I thought he was betting on marathon runners like people do horse beets. You know, I put twenty on frozen for sure. Twenty one prison. So it's invite only. So basically you have to be in that network of marathon runners, okay, and someone has to invite you. And it's become like this really tight knit culture of people who run it. Okay, and so they all are. It's all kind of like, Hey, you're only inviting people that you know are going to like take it serious. Yeah, and go for it, because it's in the State Park. In the State Park has some pretty strict regulations on stuff like this, right. So the limit for a race every time they're on the race. They do it a few times of the year. They've done a thousand races so started. So do it a few times a year, while the limit is thirty five people it per race. So I guess because you got a main you gotta because they don't want people to like get lost and die. I think they don't want a thousand people running through these woods and trashing them. That's probably fair to yeah, so I think I don't know that, but that's my guess because, yeah, I guess it's you're concerned with people getting lost. I think they would want more people in there. And when you as you hear a little more about this for im thinking like search and rescue, though. Well, when you hear a little bit more about this race, you're going to realize, oh, they don't care if anyone dies. Okay, so it's invite, because part of the races that that gun they shoot in the air, they shoot. It's right forward. You know, run boys, take someone else immediately. All right, I gonna Finish Bolt in his leg. Try Harder. Yeah, so, sorry about that photo frame. Whatever his name is. So, so the registration already, like, you can't register, someone has to invite you. Yeah, and the way the invite goes is basically they go tell las, hey, this is a person that should do it. And then last unmarked letter in your mailbox. No, las emails you and basically says like registration even invited to register for the barking marathons. Email me at a very in here's here's what happens. Like, I kid you not. So like he'll email, and it's different every time that he'll email and he'll say email me at twelve five am on Christmas Eve. And if your well, is that Christmas Eve or is that Christmas morning? Twelve five am is just a very difficult time to keep straight, you know. And if you email him at twelve four, he's deleting your email, if you email at twelve six, he's deleting your email. And so bad internet that you can't do that's Rus. I live in the Appalachian Mountains and so and you had it has to be his times. It was thirteen seconds last rous. Why is everything a race? Say That has to be his time zone two. So if you're a pacific time you have to figure it out. If you're in the UK, you have to figure out what time is five Christmas morning where Las Lives in Tennessee. And so you email him and then what he does is he takes all those people who have something emails and then he essentially puts them in this big list and creates a pool and he says, okay, what we're going to do is there's thirty five racers. Thirty four of them will be veterans who have done this before. One of them is their sacrificial land. That's what he calls it. And he says this is a person that he knows for a fact. We're not going to make it so he just got so because they have to. They have to set in a letter. They have to set in a letter. So who they want to do? Saying if there's thirty four people who have done it before, yeah, there's one person who's new. Yeah, that means that the next year or whenever that happens again, you're only introducing one person to the race and every single time. Yeah, but they've done in a thousand times. There's a lot of people who are trying to come back. Well, obviously there's got to be. Yeah, it's the same thirty four people running a race every two months, and they're just like yeah, and that's a little culty where they're like, yeah, the thirty five person is our new hey, hey, new sacrificial leout. I'm photo frame R is Bobati, and we're going to murder you in the woods. So we're murder you. Yeah, no, no, that was just the guy's name. Yeah, Hi, I'm we're going to murder you, and the more I'm sorry what you say. I said I'm we're going to murder you or the woods. I get that's your nickname or that's really coming rights. Okay, so so you have to because you have to send him, you have to send them your record of all the marathons you've ran. You have to send him a basically an essay on why you think you should be selected to do the race. Okay, and your daughter selection rate. What did you say? And you have to send your dollar and sixty cent application city daughter. Oh, my dad's. I was like, your daughter has to do what? No, you have to send your application fee, which is a dollar and sixty cents. So that's the whole feet. Yeah, that's the application fee for this race. And and if he deems you worthy, he will select you to be in the race. But every time he picks one person that he knows can't finish it, he's like you're gonna lose as a sacrificial lamb. And they asked him. I saw a couple mies. They said why do you do this, like why do you pick someone that you know is it going to make it? He says, well, that's really just for my entertainment. So you're telling me I could make it in as the person that he knows is not going to win. Yeah, and prove him wrong. Are Real Underdog Story. So so you get selected, you're one of the thirty five. There is also how we got picked up by a lot of our advertisers to though, like this podcast is never gonna make it. We're just doing this for an entertainment. Yeah, and so you're one of the thirty five. And then what happens is you're not told when this race is going to happen. A couple weeks before he's like, Hey, raises happening in a couples got to be out. You just you just get the email and las is like, I guess what raises in two weeks. You's got to be in shape. Then the whole time, you get raised, ready to go, and then you get word that your race is coming up and you got to get to Tennessee. And then craziness doesn't stop. You get there and you know that the day of the race, dollars six is the entry fee. Yeah, so, I mean what they're making? Thirty, forty, forty bucks, Forty Bucks. Yeah, yeah, this guy's literally doing it just because he loves it, honestly. Okay, and so multiple times a year to yeah, and so you get you get to this, you get to the park and you're hanging out at the park. Your camp in there. The day of the day of the race, the race will begin at either eleven pm on the beginning day of the race or eleven pm the next day, any between, any time between that. When know, within twenty four hours of the Ox's any time between. Yeah, is when it's going to start. So it's so it start like too in the morning. Yeah, and so the idea for that is he wants you to be so stressed that you don't sleep, that you're going to miss the race. And so he wants you to start exhausted and lasers. Why you do this? It's pure entertainment. It's so fun. It's other race beginner seeing people. You were seeing thirty five people come out of the mountains with something to prove, and then you just make it really difficult for them to prove that they're good enough for their dad's love. Oh Man, he's like so callous about he's literally just like did he's sitting here like he's like it is people are just too comfortable, man. So I do this for the forty. Forty is a lot back here in the APPALACHIA and the APPLEATIA. So he and the way the will, the way you know the race is about to begin is an hour before the race starts, he blows a conch Shell and he's like in like if feeling see show. What does he wear? What does he look like? We were a picture of them. Yeah, I'm glad you asked freaking Appalachian Santa Claus out here. Yeah, he's got a big white beard that's also kind of brown, but it's kind of probably just smoke stains. And then use huge grandpa glasses, a red cap that says Geezer, Yep, and and flannel jacket like that's and a huge Santa. Knows a huge Santa. I mean, yeah, he's got the facial structure of a Santa Claus. Looks like Sannah. Yeah, got some big cheeks. Yep, Yep, there's a good picture of them too. Yeah, yeah, it's a good shot. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at till in podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sort to parks, like ad free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts. And producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you got to do is text till into six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. That's till in two, six, six, eight hundred sixty six. But thanks again for checking us out. So he blows his Cot Shell and then you have to go to the starting line and when he blows conch out, the race is going to begin within an hour. So it could be an hour, it could be thirty two minutes, thirteen seconds. You know, the race begins. A lot of marathon's. Most marathons begin with the firing of the gun. This marathon begins with him being like just looking around, like leading in real quick. Oh Gotcha, yeah, get out of here. Get Out of here, my little he would sacrifices my sacrificial laymbs. No, literally, how it begins is and if you jump, early shoots you. He has the gun. You think that's the starting but that's the I wanna shoot you if you all right. He's got a big MARKART board. Everyone's weird names on it and he's just we're gonna murder you, like looks like I beard it in. No, so I forgot. I forgot another detail. With the registration, you have to bring a pack of a specific camel cigarette. I can't remember. That's why he does it. That's why he does it. It's thirty five passes cigarettes. I was like, there's got to be something in it for this guy, and you know, that's how he does it too. Worries ago water runnelow on camels, tyler, send some emails. You have been selected to join the Brocoli pret your kimmel cigarette que race. Please mail a dollar and sixty sigs. Ridiculous. So, so you hear the conch Shell, do Wi? You? Wh can you give him the camels and the starting law when you when you get there, when you get in there and you get your bib, oh, he gives you. You give him the camels. So he's just over here camel cigarettes, but you camel cigarette shell. Everyone's lined up. Is like, I don't know what he sounds like. I'm going to make a guess and you can tell me if I'm right or wrong. All right, Erebo. So is that accurate? It's pretty close. It's close enough. Now, well, is it goes it Growley? I mean it's a little less growy. Honestly, kind of impressive. Okay. Anyway, it's kind of surprising. I should say surprising. I'm surprising. I would expect him to be much more grolly. Okay, he's got a little. How does it start? More high pitch. So the way it starts, the way you know the race begins, is he lights a camel cigarette. Yeah, and when you see that ember, it's time to rats it, it's time to run. And so he just threw he hand it over near the starting line. And when you see the ember of the cigarette, you gotta go. And there's a tradition where where no one, for some reason, I don't know how this started. All right, that's a good camel. As a good camel, you said. It was surprising as a good came. It's so there's a tradition that nobody lets last see them running, and so everybody just walks into the woods. Like he lights a cigarette. Everybody just walks in the woods and once they get out, overbody lets him see. Don't last Latte, you run. Listen, Hey, listen, here sacrificial lamb. All right, there's a few rules you need to know about this. All right, at Mile Thirteen it's a great soda spot. Okay, it's really good. Yeah, the main thing, though, and this is really important, don't let him see you run. What don't let him see you run? If his eyes are open, walk. It's what is it? It's like the it's like squid games were a gift. If that thing sees you move, it kills you, kills you. You don't let me see you run. Don't let him see you run. So, yeah, so you light a cigarette. Everybody just watch it. Everyone's like looking and looking over the CAN. We're out of sick. And this race, it's opes wrong one. It's huge. So you're running through and every every year it's different. So he gives you, of course it's different, every years different. And so he gives you general coordinates of the checkpoints and what you get to bring with you is a map that you figure out on your own where the checkpoints are. You get to get your own map and then be like, okay, based on these coordinates, here's where the check points are. So you make your rallies, Mile Markers. Is the way to maybe. I think their checkpoints. I think those are just the checkpoint. Okay, and each each route you so you go a full loop, a full loop, and then you have to do the next two loose backwards and then you do the next loop back the other way. Is the way it's design and so. But each checkpoint, so well, all you get is a compass and your map where you figured out all where all the checkpoints are. Right, okay, you don't know if you're right on your map about where the checkpoints are. You're just kind of guessing when you get there, when you get to the checkpoint, every check point, somewhere nearby the checkpoint there's a little bag, like a plastic bag, with a book in it. And but you need to do is you need to rip the page of your BIB number out of the book and that's how he knows you made it to every checkpoint. That's I'm not gonna lie. That's not a bad system. That's better one I thought was going to be. Yeah, is when you get there you have to read a certain page and on that page trivia question right, and if to come back and tell him to memorize the fourth word of every page and it's say that, then say that. Yeah, no, no, yeah, you just rip the page. I don't like that. The plastic bag you're showing says prison, because it's the prison checkpoint is the one by the prison, and so that's how he knew. Knows when he takes its up. It's ZIP UCK bag. Yeah, and it's duct tapes, says prison. It's duct taped to a pole. Yeah, Yepp. And so you get there and you have to get the book out, rip your page out and then keep running to the next checkpoint. And so then when you get back you're dropping all your pages to say hey, I did it, I went to all of them. Prison. But once you've done a lap, yeah, I want to be honest, I'm not sure how they keep tracking. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like you know, I've always been you've done one lap and it's like okay, you liked your PA, trust you from the next one's I'm curious if maybe they have a numbers for every lap. Maybe is my thought, because there's only thirty five of them. So like they give enough numbers where everybody in every book has enough pages. I'm surprised they have numbers. It well side like print it out. It's just spray painted on their shifts. You luck up. It's a literally your shirt, like pull your shirt up. It's what number to juice bray pay sixty five. Not even a person that I put thirty one was there's only thirty five racers, you idiot. No, because here's the thing. They have to be. They have to be doubles because books are from back. So they have to double it because if you're thirty one and I'm thirty two in that book, page is front and back. You got me on that one, the same one. Really, don't ever, don't ever do that to me. So and then you're running this race. A couple details about the race are do they have equipment or they camp? So an interesting thing about this race compared to a lot of other races is a lot of other races you'll have one of two things. You'll have a lot of checkpoints where there's water and snacks and things like that, or you'll have a everyone will be assigned like almost like a caddy that carries your gear for you. Yeah, there's neither of those. So you have to carry everything that you need for the race. So if you want to bring waters or snacks or anything, you have to have that ready for you. For you and because you're doing all these massive clins, climbs and declines, there are moments in the race where you're going to be it's going to be snowing. There's going to be a moment where it's going to be hot, like. The temperature is gonna drastically change. It could be raining, be fight like. You don't know what you're getting into, and so these people have to be prepared for all this different weather. They have to be prepared. Can you do you have a picture of what a typical runner looks like? I have a a picture of what a typical runners legs look like the end of the race. Okay, I don't want to see that. I want to see it. There's a picture of the starting line? No, so, oh my gosh. Here's the thing. The it's not a clear trail, it's a yeah, your g this is the you're just running through woods. They're running through like Briar Patches. I love the guys got all these beaver socks and the beavers wearing a boat on and his calves are just torn to shreds. Yeah, because looks like you solid. Yeah, like it's IT looks real bad. I mean the people who run this, these they look they all look like hardcore marathon runners, like they look like they run tenurets a year. But yeah, so I'm saying, like, do people bring backpacks? Then, yeah, they bring backpacks, they bring they've got all the it's. They look like they're going backpacking because they look like they've got camping gear with hey him. But I don't think the majority of them are sleeping, because I don't know what your average mile time is after running eighty miles, but my guess is it's slow and and you have a sixty mile or sixty hour time limit to do this. So I would bet that people maybe lay down for an hour or two for a nap here there, but I doubt people are sleeping through the night. I doubt it. Yeah, yeah, I really was taking an eight hour yeah, but I'm sure your body needs you to take a rest at some point. And there's no checkpoints where there's like food and stuff at a lot of places. That's another thing. He says. Even our marathons are comfortable, like they they're they calm comfort stations. But and so he says this. He is clearly not a person who runs marathons. Now, yeah, he's sitting at the starting line and his green camping chair, smoking all those camels. The whole race. That's what I'm saying. He looks like Santa Claus and he's like yeah, everything's too easy for these kids these days. I mean this is straight up like a crazy uncle who, yea, you know better. My Day we do either wear helmets. We literally did. We head buttered each other until our heads were hard. Yeah, evolution. So, yeah, so there's no there's none of those checkpoints, there's no food or drink, nothing. There's two water stations on the route and what happens is he just takes a bunch of gallon jugs of water, about fifty gallon jugs of water, and just goes to that a checkpoints and just drop some behind a tree somewhere along the root. And it's not evenly distributed. You just yeah, he's just tossing a bunch of water. And here's the thing. I saw an interview they said they said so these races, they happen year round, and they said sometimes people. I hear that sometimes people get to these water stations and they're frozen gallon jugs. And he said, yeah, live's tough sometimes. Yeah, you know, life's gonna throw a frozen Galla water at you. You know well, you you want to cushy race. Why don't you? Do you know, once you do one of these big city Roas, wife's hard sometimes. So they're frozen from previous races. Now they're frozen because they he stuck them out there and they've been out there for two days and the freezing by though. I got check and they just freeze. Yeah, so people go to this whole race and the the other catch where a lot of marathons, if you quit or if you get injured, there are crews that are like kind of patrolling the marathon to pick you up and take you back to the medical tersure starting line. They don't have that. And so if you break your ankle, and this has happened, people have broken bones on the race and they've had to hobble their way back to the starting line because everybody miles. Yeah, because there's no one there to help them. They're on their own and so they have to get themselves back and figure it out. Nobody has died on the race somehow, but someone, somebody knows someone. In one of the interviews I washed did ask they said you have no medical crew or anything that's patrolling, like you have nobody there to take care of someone like this seems like a really dangerous race and you don't have anybody there to help anyone out. And he said, yeah, well, death's hard sometimes, he said. Well, he said no, he said we do have things to help. We have a medical kid for if something goes wrong. And they said, well, what's in the medical kid? And he said he said duct tape and vasseling. All right, that's everything. Duct tape, vacillated, a frozen gown water. They rub one of those water guns on it. You'll be fine. I broke my leg, there's bone sticking out. Just Rub that F ice on it. Just put some minds. All you need advice and you'll be back at it. And I start was saying, like somebody's gonna die. I mean you got to think so. But he's been doing it for thirty years, doing it for cities. I'm surprised no one's got eaten by a bear something like this is backwoods Tennessee like I can't believe no one's gotten like. Genuinely, I can't believe anyone's gotten eaten, but I guess not. And then if you if something happens, if you quit, which most people do, or if you you get injured and you go back to the starting line. When you go you you tell him you're done. You tell the guy you're done and he's got his friend there with him. and WHO's his friend? I don't know, some guy, and he plays taps on a trumpet and it just echoes through the Appelachians and yours were as glades. Yeah, and he said, they say we're all the trail stops in memorium and he said, he said they're he's at the reason. Why put it? Not Cheese tray. What do you talk about? And so the reason for that, last said, he said. Well, he said, I mean two reasons. One, that's what they play when soldier is killed, an action, he said, to it because they tapped out. So we play taps. Okay, and so they play taps and then everyone hears that throughout the woods. And then run, the run, the rest of the race. Almost no one ever finishes and it is the most famous race in the US. If you're in Europe and the US. I think there's other races that are more famous, but yeah, name one. I don't know. More the more famous, really amazing one, the amazing race. That's pretty pretty famous. He's got another race called bigs backyard ultra. What is that one? This is another gungle Gibbert is backyard lapse. Did you do of his sakes? It down the slide. Let's go, boys. Is Half Acre backyard. It was just running back and forth. This one, I think, is open to the public and started in two thousand and eleven, and the concept of this one is you're running, I don't know, you're running a hundred miles in twenty four hours, and so you're running loose where. Every loop is whatever a hundred divided by twenty four is in your goal is to hit that in a one hour, and so every loop you're doing a full hour. So at the end of twenty four hours you're in a hundred miles, whatever that division is. So you're trying to do it's a four and a half, a four and a quarter mile loop every hour. Because if you do that and you keep that every hour, you got to run. Look Up, I'm at least like a fourteen minute pace. Yeah, for twenty four hours straight. A bunch of people do it. Is Start in two thousand and eleven and this one's had a lot of people finish. I think someone's finished every year, but they got one just but the concept of this is not it's not. It's not do you do the full hundred miles, it's if you don't do the foreign a quarter of miles in an hour. So if every hour you don't do and you're eliminated, last person standing wins. Wow, so that's some one went every year. Oh wait, no, actually, two thousand fourteen. They didn't two fourteen. Someone didn't know anyone I could do it. Chose Fourteen and my heaviest. Both runners dropped out at forty nine loops, and so you have to be the last one standing. This one was too, at the same time as a tie. So I won one. Oh, because you know any did that together too. Yeah, they were like Oh quick, you quick. The interesting thing we could never do the Barkeley. These races are just two cushy the interesting thing is in this one, and nobody's got an interesting nickname of their winners. Where the BARKELEYS? I mean you read s o of the retort the winners names. I cave dog. Yep, that's the only one that's interesting. Actually know that. I'm looking through this list. Oh, everywhere else is just like Michael's mold. The names, yeah, those are all the UK people. Tyler masterson. Yeah, cave dog was the only local to do it to flash. But yeah, so, a long story short, this guy is insane. Yeah, leas pretty incredible. Can we find a fiddle playing? tast things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by conner best. Social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.


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The Watcher of 657 Blvd – This Will Creep You Out

04-26-22

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Hey, man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the watcher of five seven boulevard? Oh, yeah, I know that guy. I'm gonna tell you, man, the watcher of six, five seven. Yeah, this happens. That's going to make your skin crawl, bro Great. What's it? Perfect is that that's the first half of the ZIP code of the town I grew up in. So I was really nervous about how you were about to in that, because Mount Vernon is six, five seven one too. Oh Man, yeah, yeah, it's close. This. This was actually recommended to us by one of our patrons, Bow Dolla, bottle, I'm not BOTTLEA, I. Yeah, people who listen to this think that we have like bots for patron supporters. They're just like, okay, Danley, May and Odella. Yeah, so he actually recommended this last night while I was planning, and I changed my plans for this one, for this is like, Oh, this is spooky. So this is a real learned it last night that this is a legitimate like I was planning out my content for today. I An't already made my decision and then he recommended this last night and I was like, Oh, yeah, we're doing that. Okay, so this is spooky. The watcher of six, five, seven, boulevard art. Yeah, before we get go the man, you look really good. You some weight. Thanks. Yeah, I had food poisons, like the worst that's ever happened. Sometimes I do that, you know, like I was reached, I was getting the end of my march and I was like, I haven't reach my goals. Why don't US consume some tainted beasts. You know, anybody got any Robbie? Anybody got any? Yeah, every morning I you know, and that's my fitness advice. If you're stro going to reach your goals. Sometimes I just pull out to raw chicken breasts. It just and I just go to town down. Oh yeah, maybe, you know, maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's Salmonilla, you know. Is it a small town? No, IT'S NEW JERSEY. It's Westfield, New Jersey. It's like a suburb of New Jersey City. This is why I don't want to buy a used home. You know, I'm about I gotta build a house just like it might be him. He's a little weird. So what a Derek do this week? If we're going at man who wasn't willing to stand for his family, were putting it outside. Things I learned last night. It was a rough man. I was I was sick, I was bad. So, yeah, thanks for saying that, though. That's going to really that's what sucks about food poisoning, isn't it? It's terrible. The people think you're healthy but you're day after you're like that he gum. Yeah, that's actually something that people in Hollywood do, like, not food poisoning, but they'll drink like me, relax. Oh Yeah, I'm like clear out. They're bout to like to dehydrate themselves and to because you, I mean you really will lose like seven pounds in a day. Interesting. I probably shouldn't say that to anybody WHO's like don't, that's not don't. Like, I know, like like you sea fighters will do stuff like that to well, Wa wait, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, if you're like you know, but people in Hollywood who have really unhealthy views of themselves. Yeah, you'll do that before big auditions or rolls, like it's it's not that good stuff, you know, and I'm one of them. We were filming and I was like, I'm just chowing down on you know right. I'm not going to say who gave me food poisoning? All right, but I'm saying goodbye fresh you know I'm talking about. I'm no more. They don't sponsors. I hope one day they do and they don't know that you said that. And so I hope that this episode, I hope that this is like a year from now, they picked us up. This episode starts with you talking about how much you love them and then you've coming and say one thing. It's really convenient. Do you hate the grocery store as much as I do? Other people? You know, that's the real motive for behind getting those growsy little flat, you know, seeing other people with their dumb little eyes and their mouths out in public and you're like once you close the holes in your face and get away from me, you know. You know I'm talking about hello friends, good to be good. Be said for doors as well. Yeah, all the knows. It's just because you don't all the delivery services. It's it's masked behind you know, safety or like convenience, but really it's just a dpat ride for anybody else. Oh my gosh. Okay, so we need to get into this six seven boulevard. The watcher of Seven Boulevard. I want to first this is a neighborhood watch guy who just took it real serious. No, I want to first mention somebody. I watched a I've watched a lot of videos since last night about this. It just hooked me. You look like you haven't slept. I haven't. I've spent all night. I pulled in all my thanks. Man, thanks. You had fun. He pulled an all nighter on the watcher, on the watcher. Yeah, I pulled it on on that or watching the watcher. And One guy brought this up that I didn't notice. It was like the ten video I've watched. I was like, how did I not notice this? But seven boulevard, like the street is called Boulevard, but it's not like something boulevard. It's just boulevard, not Boulevard Boulevard, not Boulevard Street. It's literally the street is just boulevard. Well, yeah, the street is five seven. Know the address of the street? The address of the House is seven. There's a house. Yeah, there's a house. So the House is seven and it's on the street boulevard, but it's not Boulevard Street, it's not boulevard road, it's just boulevard. Yeah, it's not. Southwest Bolivard is a small town. No, IT'S NEW JERSEY. It's Westfield, New Jersey. It's like a suburb of New Jersey City. I love when you get painted in your eyes, you look to me to save you and I just go now. No, let that onely hits you. I'm pretty sure it's a suburb sun, a suburb of it's a suburb of New York, new work, new work, New Work, New Jersey. It's a part of the New York Metro area. Okay, so, like I'm saying, like a small town, you know. Yeah, the small town. They're like that's the boulevard, that's the Strato, that the word. Yeah, in Mount Vernon we have a parkway drive. That's kind of cool. They know that's a band. That's why I brought it up to you. HM, cool. Do you think they're from the Vernon? Yeah, yeah, they're the watchers of parkway drive. All right. So is this a person who lives in this House then? So, in June two thousand and fourteen, the broadest family kind of recent moved into six, five seven boulevard home in Westfield, New Jersey. Yeah, Derek and Maria were the names of the couple. Maria, she actually grew up in Westfield and so this was like a big, like corn home. Yeah, sure, Derek was a VP of a large insurance company in Manhattan and so this is a one point three million dollar home that they purchased. Oh and Westfield at the time was the ninety nine twealthiest town in the nation, which, hey, top one hundred important, yeah, but was the thirty safest town in the nation around the same time, which also thirty. Like, here's the thing. If you say like your like top one hundred of something, you like, oh, that's a great king, but if you say you're the thirty, I don't think that's special. Like if you said you're one of the most in the top one hundred, yeah, but if you taky to me and you said my town is one of the one hundred, top one hundred safest towns in America, that, well, that's really special. But if you say my town is a thirty safest in the nation, something about that to me just sounds say, and that's really hard to say. I would say your town is the thirty famous. That's I would say. I would say I don't care I would say you come to me. What it's ten like how thirty is not important. You know. I mean probably only I on the list. How many towns in the US? As of two thousand and eighteen, there are nineteen thou, four hundred and ninety five and corporated cities, towns and villages in the US. So fourteen thou of them have a population below a hundred. No, Oh, five thou. Oh, Hey, govern hey, here's to me. If you say you're the thirty, just just say your top one hundred, top, one hundred pounds, sad on thirty. Yeah, that sounds better than top and top are dirty. Yeah, throw the top in there and then I think it's significant. If you just say you're thirty, I'm like that's not important, like that's not special to me. Yeah, so top, Hey, year in the top five. Friends here, my top thirty. Yeah, under thirty. You're in my thirty hundred thirty. Out of everyone I know that's under thirty years old, and I know a lot, you're in the top thirty. You get it. So Derek and Maria, yeah, they move into this house. They sound like rich New Jersey couple. Yeah, so the moving their house, their kids and they're they knew they were going to have to do a little bit of work on it. It's like a hundred and two year old house, right, a hundred and nine. A hundred and nine is a hundred nine year old house, and so they neither have a little more. So that like it's going to be important. I mean it'll come out, but it's not, okay, super important. But they started moving all the stuff in. A ghost thing? No, I mean maybe, I mean it could be it could be aliens. All right, you seem like you have something to say. No, I was okay, so go ahead. So they're moving all their stuff in and Derek checks the mail first day they're there, or moving day or moving day, and it flipping through the mail. It's all the typical stuff. You got bills. He's like, how do I already got bills? Day One, flipping through you know, ads like coupons, welcoming into the neighborhood, whatever. Varied Express. Yeah, Pan Express is like hey, come, come, express yourself. You're about to say express yourself a Panta Express. Yeah, everybody. They're just dress like pandas. Now, okay, I see the difference between Panda Express and then express, you know, right, like the closed store. Yeah, Oh, I thought this is Panda Express. I'm saying, you want can't you go? Hold on, where do I get the chicken limb? So they're moving in and he checks the mail and on. But one of the parcels, if you will, stood out to him because it didn't have written and just it didn't have an address on it, didn't have return address. Love this. It just on the front, just in like bold letters, like hand bold, handwrinten letters. It said the new owner. which. So he opens it? Wait, which he opens it? Right, I'm and I'm this is how this is why I don't want to buy a used home. You know, I'm sorry about I gotta build a house. I don't want. I don't want to buy a used house. All right, this is why I like my parents house. My parents built their house. You know I'm talking about there's so goes the time about it used that. Well, my bad parents built their house. There's no ghosts there. Yet home fails. Know the layout, all right. So, like, if there is a ghost, then I own few. Yeah, they're like, wait, dope, wait a minute. No, that's why I'm saying I got to build a house. There's no freaking no one's watching a new one. All right. So the letter says, how long is the letter? It's long. It says, dearest new neighbor at six, five seven boulevard, allow me to welcome to you to the neighborhood. So it sounds like, oh, hey, we got a friendly new neighbor that's welcoming me. What do? appreciated some cookies, but I'll settle for this letter. Hey. And then it goes on and it says six, five seven boulevard has been the subject of my family for decades now and as it approaches it's one hundred and ten birthday, I have been put in charge of watching and waiting for its second coming. My Grandfather Watch the house in the S. it's my second coming. Yeah, okay, he said. My grandfather watched the house in the S and my father watched it in the s. It is now my time. Do you know the history of the house? Do you know what lies within the walls of five seven boulevard? Why are you here? I will find out. And then he says, but he says I will find out. Is it since I don't like he says, do you need to fill the house with young blood. I requested. What better for me? Was your old house too small for the growing family, or was it greed to bring me your children? Once I know their names, I will call to them and draw them to me. There are hundreds and hundreds of cars that drive by six five seven Bolevard each day. Maybe I am in one. Look at all the windows you can see from six five seven boulevard. Maybe I am in one. Look at all of the mini windows on six five seven boulevard, at all the people who stroll by each day. Maybe I am one of them. Welcome, my friends, welcome, let the party begin. You know what I do? What? And I wouldn't even try to claim insurance on it, but I burn that house down. Yeah, I did. I would burn it down and I would stay on the sidewalk and I would look. I would have us like a one of those sandwich boards that said watch the flames. Maybe I am one. I would dude, I would get this guy. Maybe I've in what? Maybe I ad no, maybe I'm one of the flames. No, like this is, this is and and and my girlfriend will tell you this. Okay, if we got that letter at a house, I would burn it to the ground, lose my entire investment just to spite whoever this is, even if this is like some stupid like sophomore in high school or whatever. All right, yeah, can you imagine, like some kid runs, I'm it was. It was. He's gotta Becaus camera because he's doing it for Tick Tock. Go in there, then, go, go in the house, going and take, go, take your video. Yeah, take, do it for tick. Time for the cloud. Yeah, you'll get a lot of cloud. Dude, I will ow crazy, crazy any day. You wanna say what I'm saying? I get that letter, I burn the house down easy, episode over. So what a Derek do this week? If a minute man who wasn't world stand for his family by burning its outsid, it's total Beta male who wasn't willing to take charge and burn his house. That's the Alpha move. Turn Turn Your House to ashes in the name of masculinity. Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, that's right, that's when new episodes drop on Patreon. Patreons a way to get early access to episodes and their content and exclusive merchandise. And we're not going to stop there, because we had a private discord with our host and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a day. That's right, that's five dollars a month. You two can be a patreon supporter and not here advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore text till in the six, six eighty sixty six. Otherwise I'll come to your house, I will find you, I will destroy everything that's good in your life until we're the only thing left. Anyway, here's another advertisement. So they were conflicted after this first one. Right, this is day one. This is day one. They're conflicted after they got this letter, because they said, what if your movement stuff in? Do you just say close to you all, nothing else whatever's in there. It belongs to the House. Now, with that girl houses, the House is child. So they they, they did, they went, they went home. I gotta go to the police. The well, they went home, home and they were like, they like, what do we want to do? Is Is this legit is this a prank? Is this whatever? So they emailed the previous owners and they asked them, John and Andrea Woods, and they asked them, did you ever see anything like this, like in your time here? And they're like no, but they did say, well, there was one letter we received right before we moved, but we just threw it away because we thought it was a joke. Like, we didn't think anything of it. Let me just trashed it. They were there for twenty three years. Let me see. Nothing happened to them, though. Now they're I mean, as far as we can tell, they're fine. Yeah, but I mean I'm saying like they were like, we just threw the letter way as a dumb thing. Yeah, and so so then Marie and Derek were like, oh, it must be like some kid like trying to be funny or whatever. And so they went back to the house a couple weeks later and continued moving in and found another letter, again addressed to the to the owner, said welcome again to your new home at five seven boulevard. The workers have been busy and I've been watching you unload car fuls of your personal belongings. The dumpster is a nice touch. They're renovating that big dumpster. And what the homes? Yeah, I would leave it there forever. Oh, yeah, you like it? Yeah, I'm going to scoop the ashes of this house into it. And then he says, have they found what's in the walls yet? In time they will. And then he says six, five, seven light, they'll find it. Have they found what's in the walls yet? WHO's they? Yeah, I mean it's a constructor workers. They got workers doing runt no stuff. And so then he said six by seven boulevard is anxious for you to move in. It has been years and years since the young blood ruled the hallways of the House. Have you found all the secrets that holds yet? Will the young bud blood play in the basement? If you haven't figured this out? The young blood? He's talking about their kids. Yeah, like that's what he's is. So I think you was talking about young blood KIA in sweet field Missouri. Any think I you think? I'm like, Oh, yeah, the duelus. Now, yeah, he's talking about their kids. Said, well, the young blood play in the basement? Or they too afraid to go down there alone? I would be afraid if I were. Then it is far away from the rest of the house. If you were upstairs, you would never hear them scream. He says. Well, they sleep in the attic, or will they? Will you all sleep on the second floor? Who has the bedroom facing the street? I will know as soon as you move in. It will help me to know who is in each room. That way I can plan better. Nah, no, no, no, that's I'm burning it down now. That's as all the windows and doors and six five seven boulevard. Allow me to watch you and track you as you move throughout the house. Who Am I? I'm the watcher, and I've been in control of six five seven boulevard for the better part of two decades now. The Woods family turned it over to you. It was their time to move on and kindly sold it when I asked them too. I passed by many times a day, when I asked them to, MMM, I I passed by many times a day. Six five seven boloves part as my job, it's my life, it's my obsession, and now you two are brought us family. So now he knows their name. We yeah, it's going through their mail. I saw. I mean that's not like. Oh, how do you figure that out? He's put this on really. Yeah, welcome to Bro I would have I would have cameras and I would I would literally buy the House across the street. So he says. He says, welcome to the product of your greed. Greed is what brought you brought the past three families to six, five, seven, Bolvar, and now it has brought you to me. Have a happy moving day. You know I will be watching. Okay, this is what just makes my skid call. So this feels like the type of person. And there was a guy who went to my high school who I you know, you keep up with people on facebook. This guy slowly became he was, he was odd in high school, but he slowly became weirder. I tell you about this guy. He's the kind of dude that is like, you know, I prayed that God would supply this for me and he did. One day he posted that and this is this is real. This isn't mean like I'm not saying this to make fun of them or I'm saying like, this is the type of person that I think this could be. Yeah, is. He posted one day of him walking in the sidewalk and he posts a picture of a package of Bologny that's on the sidewalk and he said he was just praying to God for nourishment and food and then found his found alone and then was eating that boloney term out, and so it's that kind of what you know, we're like. That was one of the days where I was I oh, he's like he's lost it, you know. Yeah, and that's what this this this is either a prank that, if it's happens to me, is going to go terribly wrong for the prinkster. Yeah, because I will. I will not attack the person. I will outwin them. I unse in wout crazy. I will. I saw saying I'll out crazy you. Yeah, but or it's like a person who is legitimately like my grandfather did this, my dad. Yes, and you're like did they though? Yeah, that's creepy. You know. Is that the final letter? Know, there's a there's a few more, and it's interesting because it's like the the letters that we have, like they get sponsor like the details we have from them, because the broadest family just stopped kind of sharing what was going on. But like they're there's just continues to be creepy. So they go to the police. Yeah, so they eventually did go to the pee pulp, the police. What letter did they go to the police after this one? When I tell yeah, it was at their kids, like he's like, he's like once I know where they move and who's in one right and I can plan better yeah, they went to the police and so this is something. Yeah, I can plan better. No, that's yeah, that's a threat. Yeah, that's that's the straight up threat. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, so they they stopped bringing their kids around, they stopped moving in. They continue the renovations, but they were staying with their parents and they're gone for a long time. And so, like the letters after this like open with like where are you gone to? Six, seven of art is missing you, and he like talks about this house. I gets a person, yeah, which to give you a perspective, I do have a picture of the house, so you can see it. It's an old style, like look, that's what would be in a scary movie. It does, and and I mean he's right there, like it's got the lot willow, that's where the old lady is at night time. Yeah, right, and it's got this long driveway where the the killer just emerges from these bushes. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's I mean it's got a brick it's got a fireplace. That's obviously because you're going to need the little sticker thing right to kill the person who breaks in. Yeah, it's got all the elements for a good horror movie. Yep, yeah, but good little killer film. I would. I would have cameras through the whole thing. Yeah, and also on the outside. He didn't. Also, I would be befriend the neighbor across the street and get cameras if they're at their house. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, that's the problem. That's a little stressful for you can actresses. Yeah, you. It's got to be somebody somewhere around here. So it's like, who can I trust? Who Can I talk to? I would stake out the house at night. Yeah, I'm saying I would out crazy this person. I kind of want to do it. It's just some fourteen. We know who lives there? Now, I don't think we know, but somebody does. Oh yeah, so, Hey, tilling on location, tilling all, tell it all, dude. Let's go out crazy, a crazy okay. So here's I get excited. I get excited about it. So here'sn't have it at the police went investigating, yeah, you know, doing their police thing. We show up. Yeah, so they had a couple leads. Lead number one. They call him the Gamer, and so this was a guy who was spotted driving by once and it's girlfriend said that he played a video game called the watcher and they so she's like it might be him. He's a little weird. He's girlfriends terms of friend out of them. His girlfriend calls the police. Yeahs, like, yeah, but it's it wasn't the watcher, it was the witcher, right, actually, yeah, literally, not. Yeah, exactly. Was it? Actually, that was the way witcher. Yeah, so, like they call him for questioning and he doesn't get it. Really the witcher. It doesn't come out. Why? So it was, I guess, the Witcher, Witcher, and I just drove. I was doing that as a joke. No, yeah, that's a witch. That's hilarious. I only know that because, I mean, Ray plays it all stop. Yeah, she's all about it. Big Witcher Fan, which I need to catch up with her. She's ahead of me. anyways. Are Y'all doing it together? Y'All play in witcher together? No, but I just I want to be better at it than her. You won't, because she's watching the series, she's reading the books and she's playing the video game and she's writing letters to a family and writers letters to a family of the House in New Jersey and she's flying there to deliver them and she was to make sure it gets there. You know, I need to be sure, and I called the police. I don't know who Toco. I didn't know if I should call a can't city Police Department or a New Jersey Police Department. MMM, and be like Hey, New Jersey City, she's playing this game called the watcher. I can't believe I got that's that's hilarious. Yeah, so, so the police, but like it's not like it's not the Gamer, but then then they turn their he's like she said I was weird. That, though, you got like imagine the fight that happens out of you, like you call the police and said I was weird and I told you so much about the witcher and you I have tested about it. Watch yourn stop. All right, I gotta eat something. I found this bow. That's got to be a fight after that, though. You know, Jeez, that Bellona got that, and I legitimately thought that you were literally just like, Oh man, I need to eat something. I'm feeling a little weak right now. Like I literally thought we were going to pause it for you to eat a snack. ME. Yeah, I thought you were just like dehydrated from your food poisoning or something like. I need to get a snack. Robbie. I'm just eating it with my bar hands. I'm just like yeah, needed a snack, just the plastic. I haven't. It's not even see. One of the two Isun ages. It's half because I ate half it last night. I'm just eating Browning raw. He eats got a yet? Yeah, I did. I don't know what. I was sick. Okay, so hmm. So it's not the Gamer. It's not the Gamer, the boys. One of the police going off of all this person drove by once. Yeah, I don't know that. I'm assuming they're staking it out and looking for sups suspicious individuals. Sure that's what's tough, is like all they have is these letters and like very, very few descriptions from the letters, because we do know I would have a camera in the mailbox. We do know. That's pretty smart. We do know that his grandfather and then he's watched it. His father in the s watched it and know he's watching it. There's another weather, another letter where he talks about himself running through the halls and he was the young blood and the house. So there's the possibility that maybe he was a his parents were a previous owner somewhere on the line. But that also is a little conflicting, because it's like if his father was the watcher and he lived there. That's a little strange, right, his grandfather, so maybe it was like a family member. So called something watcher of your house. Are you the homeowner? Yeah, I want a situation where his dad just didn't want to play with him, you know, and he's like Dack, we go outside. He's I'm busy. We doing watching the house? Is that what Dad do? Yeah, my dad did it before, my dad did it before me, and you'll do it one day too. And the kid was like will yeah, it really is. Dad is drunk in the front yard facing the house because the police told him we could have throws bottles at the street anymore. Yeah, hell, the neighbor's got a restrainting orders. I'll look at through their windows too much. So now I got a I'm told that I have to face the house. It's a sad arc but it's like cheers to the house. Yeah, he's like Hey, since five seven, good to see you again. Yeah, canceled trash service. started putting it in the walls. Son, I needed to help me dig a hole in the wall. I got some more blottles. Well, we don't have any insulation, but we got a lot of course, course, bottles. So the police are in their sides to Michael Lankford. Who was did it? A guy's a crossy name. That's a guilty name. Remember. I talked about that. We've talked about this before. Yeah, there're certain names that they just in the DBM per episode. Yeah, yeah, they call. I'll say it again. I'm a I'll be a great detective. You give me a name, I'll tell you who did it. Michael Langford, guilty. He's the one. So the LANKFORD's of the cross the street. Michael lived with his mom, who is ninety three years old. Yeah, you those are his mom yeah, his mom is ninety three. He's in his s and his siblings also live there. They all still live at home with their ninety three year old mom. Yes, adults who live with their I'm just getting was trying to take a shot at our video guy. See still those parents. Hey, have you heard of tilling podcast merch? That's right, we've got a full merch store of tilling branded teas, mugs, stickers, hoodies a lot more, and we put out new designs with every episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so you got to get those while they're hot. Text tilling to six, six, eight, hundred and sixty six to get access to our exclusive merchandise. Yes, it his his mom's ninety three, and so the timeline does kind of check out, like with the age of his mom and his age. Yeah, then it's like, okay, if you play the time, I'm back. His Dad probably would be watching the house in the S and his grandfather probably would be watching the house in the twenty, with their ages, just because they've lived in this house for that long. Well, no, because you look, Michael was in his s and so you played that they lived across a street that whole time. Actually, don't know. I do know, because that's a different thing. Is If you're drunk, DAD's in the living room watching the house across the street. Dad, you're a play. I'm busy watching six, five, seven, little hard. Yeah, they could enough for a TV because they spend on their house, their money on this. Naw, that thou trying to watch the TV. And in the S it's like about little small, any gray. He's just binoculars getting there. A guy in your neighborhood that does this, though. No, that was we passed that house where the guide is long. I mean it was pecularly are my neighborhood. It was the next neighborhood over. But there was a guy literally just in his window like looking out. And here's the thing about like where he lives, like across the street is nuts, just an open field. It's nothing. He's just sitting there. He's like Bensler's in his front room, just with binoculars looking out fully lit to not an adult, to look like he's not. He's clearly a shadow of a person in the window and he's just, YEP, super self. You know, honey, what do you see? Nothing, nothing. It's just the glare of the light behind him on the window. They wouldn't be honey, it'd be son. What do you see? You know, not then, mom. That's have you tried to take it the caps off? Oh Wow, look at the world. I've never set Lee summon. That's what I'm saying, Dude. So Watch your least something. So here's the thing about the LANKFORD's right. They did DNA testing on on the letters. Okay, nobody matched in the Langford House sure. The thing, though, well, one of the things that's eerie. What the duation? They have DNA from the letters. Yeah, yeah, so there's like someone like her fingerprint was there, left a little bit of their skin on a letter, something I was I don't know. Yeah, yeah, there was something on the letter that they were able to get some DNA from. I don't know if it was like drool or what, but like someone he's writing a letter. He's just like just a salivating all he's like yeah, young blood. Did they know what's in the halls yet? Jeez. But here's the thing. The reason why Michael, the two reasons, well, three reasons why Michael was a target for them was one, lived across the street to the ages lined up. Three, he was a diagnosed schizophrenic, and so it would make a lot of sense that he would be had this fantastic story that he's coming up with and writing it in letters and dropping it in the mail across the street. Sure, and strongly believed he was the watcher of this house. Well, what's odd is they brought them in for questioning, they questioned him and then they dismissed the entiling for a family as a suspect with no explanation. They never gave a public explanation to why, but they dismissed them. He convinced the police. He said, look, I've been doing your job for this house, and they're like, Huh, for us, can't agree with that. Yeah, he's like, you know, I've been watching that house. I actually watched. Is Your patrol car rolled up with a woman who's not your wife, like cases Fiss. Yeah, none involved, is not this guy. Let's talk to that with your kid again. The which kid get? Tell everyone it's the watcher. It's a different day. Say, yeah, different game, different kid. And so the the broadnesses were like, we want to get out of here, we want to get out of this house. They listed it for sale, but no one would buy it because by now it's all over the news and right it's even making national news. I was on the today show, like people are like this is a day. Yeah, the historically peppy. Good, good morning everybody. We've got a story at a new jerseys I watched the watch exactly video and it was literally she was so excructatial videos of Docsin's, the weird dogs. Yeah, good today show. Hope you have a good day. But before you go, here's the evil that exists in the world. You're literally was. It literally was. She was so excited and then she was like check out the story from New Jersey. And then it was like Oregon. It's like in it, like the cart to organ you know, and like there's like this is big vignette around the house that like came in like it was like a holy crap, like you guys are totally make a good wife. Why? Like you neighborhood on a boulevard that doesn't have a name, you know, and it's like what is going on here? So they just just missed it for no reason, though. Yeah, so the police dismissed it and they were kind of like we can't, we can't do it, we can't figure out who this is. We don't have enough evidence. We don't have enough evidence on anyone to book them for it. And so derek hires a private investigator. That guy doesn't come up with anything he puts. He doesn't consider hiring a podcast. I mean they weren't as big back then due the guys rich. I'm kind of serious, though. I mean not anymore. Oh, so the he they put a bunch of cameras on in the House. Obviously good goods that he was trying to point it done that day one. But go, yeah, Derek's catching up and so the police thing runs dry. The the private and that would think I would have had, like, I mean like little garden gnomes with cameras, four eyes, you know, like I would have like really, I there's a part of me that wants to do that, like I one that wants the house. We need enough patron supporters to pay a mortgage on five seven, but we're going to start a six, five seven boulevard tier and it's one point three million. Well, it's just the mortgage cost, the cost of what the mortgage would be. What is that on a firs? Probably less. It's honestly, probably about the same as the Monster Chuck Tier. Yeah, so if they had a thirty year fixed mortgage, they're probably paying around seven thousand dollars a month. Okay, I mean, Hey, we're close. We're not close to that, but we love to be. If you listen to this, make sure you leave us a review and maybe check us out on Patreon, because you do get a lot more stuff, you know. Yeah, and then maybe we could buy six five seven Bolivard in the future. Yeah, and all the dopeates. Ter, five seven bolevardcom. Yeah, six, five seven boulevard and Gunballscom. So finally the bow diet broader. Yep, the broadest family was like, we're just going to list it. So they listed it for sale. Nobody in town wanted it, nobody outside of town wanted everybody. It was been in the news. Everybody know. Yeah, you can google the address and yeah, and the House isn't the first thing that pops up anymore. Yeah, and everyone's like, yeah, I don't want to move into this stoker house. Yeah. And so they had it listed for two years. No one but which. Maybe that's the now here's the trick to the housing market, right, all these prices insane? Yeah, right, but you do this to somebody's house, drive the price down and then you come in and be like I'm not afraid of a stalker. All Right, oh, so move you to watch me. I'll get him with my weloard garden home cameras. You know, you moving so confident. Suddenly you got a house for half the price. That's pretty probably shouldn't have said that. I'llowb for should he said that part out loud. That's some pretty good fraud, right. There's a good scheme, that's a good front. No even me a realtor for it. So nobody about the house. They had it for like two years. They're living with their parents because they can't afford another mortgage. So just stuff, paying the mortgage on this House that they're not living in. Oh Yeah, for sure. And so they say they're trying to figure out how can we get out of this? Like, what are we going to do? No one wants to buy it. So they come up with this plan. They said, Hey, well, demolish the house, Yep, and I would plut it into two lots and build two new houses on it. And so those two houses. Because now people are like, well, it's there's no six five seven. The guys are I can't watch two one US six five six or six five eight. GUYS ARE SPLIT WAY. They demolish the house while they went to the city and they asked historical well, they asked for a permission to tear the house down and to build new houses. It's not a historical building. So they could have done it on that. The problem is the minimum lot size in town is seventy square feed. I think it's something like that. They were it was sixty seven. They were three short on both the lots and so they asked for an exemption and they said no, it's the couldn't split it. Here's the kicker, though. Around the same time another house just down the road asked for the same thing and they got approved. So the city knows. The cities like well, we're keeping an eye on the person keeping an eye it seems pretty clear. What the fact that the police just kind of dropped it. The local private investigator couldn't find anything the city want and allow them to tear the house down. That somebody pretty up there is why is watching that house. Yeah, no way. I mean that's true theory to me. It's got to be because because you think there's be an elected official, there's too much. Like the police literally just gave up. They're like yeah, sorry, guys, like we can't figure it out, bummer. And the city was like the city made an exception for someone else with and at the other house, like they were like twenty feet off, like it wasn't like they were close. It's what I'm saying, man, with version the ground. And then these people liked try to do it with this house and I would say the seven Tho dollars rest of my life. I really would. I really would. I would have a sign out for other just says watch this and so, oh, I want to get this person. So I don't know what this is in my body right now. And but it's not fear, you don't talry about. There's this rage that's like this is someone I could take back. I could take out everything on this person. You know tell you know I'm saying. If I knew that something I owned was that precious someone else, I would destroy it. You know, saying, and I know that I saw it a crazy person right now. Well, holy cow, like so they the the broadness is a lot of the locals like we're split, like there's something that were were than support of them to there's some that were like you guys are stop, like they were like against them. They like you're making this up or something like that, like that was a hoax, which there has been a theory that it is a hoax, which I think doesn't hold a lot of weight because the theory goes because the previous owners got a letter to though they can write before they moved in. Yeah, right before the route for they moved in. They have it. When they first moved in, nobody before I had reported ever getting letters from watchers. Here's here's the the how that? Here he goes the broadnesses. They a few years before that were they were living in a three hundredzeroll home. A couple of years after they move there they moved to a seven hundredzeroll home and then they moved to this they bought for one point three and so, which they bought over asking price. So the theory is that they moved they were moving up, they're bouncing up and they were probably like he was a VP of a company, so he's probably moving up in his career as doing this. But they probably got into this house and realized it was a little more than they bargain for, right, because they not only about that house, what they had to do a bunch of renovation work. So the theory is that they came up with this watcher storyline to get a media buzz and sell the story for a movie and then that way the movie place would buy the House and they could wash their hands of it, make some profit on selling the script and walk with it. To me, this seems like a very far fetched thing for someone to say that that's a little over ourhead. And the somebody who's a v what if? Who's WHO's doing all right, and they go, man, I that sounds I would believe that if it was like honey booboo's mom, you know, yeah, yeah, that's and that's why I mean that in the seriousness, like yeah, exactly, like that type of person who had a TLC show. Yeah, made a lot of money then has then since declined and then it is like, all right, we need to figure out a different way to make more money now. But a person who's like in a successful growing career, MMM, I don't say about be like Lee like the option, here's our way out. Let's get it bought by, yeah, Netflix, which Netflix did by the story, did they? Yeah, and they're making a drama about from that family, from about that Theah, they bought it from that family, and so that add a lot of feel to that five. Yeah, but that was at that point, game just done. Who Cares? Yeah, and you got away with it. Good on you. You know, at that point it's like hey, it worked, you know work. It's one that if you're trying a scam. If you successfully pull off a scam, I'm way more impressed. I don't think it was them. The other the other one reason that this theory exists, though, is because after the after the renovation plans, what they built, the two houses, the two house plan, if you will, got shot down. A bunch of neighbors all got letters and it was addressed from the friends of the broadest family and basically telling them that they sucked for being against the broadest family. And then later Derek was like, yeah, that was me, I'm the friends of the broadest family. He said I was just really frustrated at this point, like I didn't know what to do, like I got I saw all my options and says like if I just send a letter to everybody, one of them is probably the watcher and they can hear how I feel right now and maybe back off. I don't know. It was like a last stch effort for him. And so then the theory is like, well, he's a guy writing anominous anonymous letters already. Yeah, why wouldn't? He needs to be doing that to himself. Yeah, but well, they signs up front of their house. Did they like? Do they reach the point where have you seen that house? In North Kansas City? The guy's got like the no trespassing signs on his house. It is camera which street ons on exactly, but there's a house where you pull up he's got a big like Sandwich Board on his front door that says he's got the no trespassing signs on both of his trees and one posting in his yard, like a lot of no trespassing signs, and it says no one should approach this door unless it's the male Mayn or woman. Weird. I sent him a letter last week. I'm watching you. That's all I said to watching you. So the family in two thousand and sixteen, they finally were like, well, rent it out. So they rented it out at a huge loss. They weren't able to rent it at the same value that their mortgage was. They're still paying a bunch of money on top of their rent value. Right and in their contract they had at a stipulation that was like if another letter comes, you can move out. Basically, while another letter showed up after these people moved in and I've been was an addressed to the rent he's no, it was addressed too. You're ready no, I guess. Are you ready? It was addressed to the vile and spiteful Derek and his wench of a rife Maria. Listen to what this says. It says six, five seven boulevard survived your attempted as salt and stood strong, with its army of supporters barricading its gates. My soldiers of the boulevard followed my orders to a t. They carried out their mission and save the soul of five seven boulevard with my orders. All hail the watcher. And then, and then this. This probs hand written. I know they're typed. Oh Dang. And then it says it's the only better if it was like scribbled handwriting, you know, like just insall like a little weird duddles all over it. And then it says this is just randomly he just started saying. Maybe a car accident, maybe a fire, maybe something as simple as a mild illness that never seems to go away but makes you feel sick day after day after day after day after day. Maybe the mysterious death of a pet. Loved one suddenly die. Planes and cars and bicycles crash, bones break, you are despised by the House and the watcher one burn this place to the ground the tenants. The tenants read this letter, they're like I will stay. No, they did not leave. They had the option. They were like no, yeah, we're fine. Well then that's the other thing too. Is it a bit of a confirmation that it wouldn't be? Derek then is like, why would you have that in a contract, that the renter could leave? MMM, if you're at least you know less and lessening your losses a little bit. Yep. So in two thousand and Nineteen, lifetime release a movie about it called the watcher. They later sold it also to Netflix and Netflix is producing a drama series about it. In July of two thousand and nineteen they also sold the house, doing a drama series, not a documentary. Yeah, drama series, okay. And then in two thousand and nineteen they sold it for nine hundred fifty thousand dollars. So pretty significant loss, almost a half million loss, and the whole investigation. There's no trail and no one knows who did it, where it came from. And after they moved out there's been the new family hasn't reported anything about a watcher or anything like that. But the thing that you have to keep in mind is that the woods said they saw nothing, and the watcher said that the woods told them to leave and then they moved, and so none of the watcher told the woods to leave. Yeah, that what I said. Dagon them sort the woods though, the watcher. Yeah, the Washer told the woods to leave and then they left. And so the watcher apparently had been directing the woods and the broadnesses didn't take the same direction that the woods take. took. In theory, if his story line is true, the watcher storylines true, the woods are lying and they were being directed by the watch of the whole time. The broad uses didn't derict, it didn't give into the watchers leadership, and then they moved out. And now this new couple is new couples like we submit to the watcher. Where are be? All on the watcher? That's where I'm saying, dude, I just Lillian, I purchase land and you want to commit me like that, I will win. All hail the watcher. You know what I would do? I burn the house down and I'd run from mayor. Run from me. Oh Yeah, I'm the new mayor. I want to run this city. I'm watching the whole team. You know what I would do in minute? Domain the whole street, one of you. Well, what if it's like a backyard neighbor? It's not even on Boulevard. Like, what if it's like the whole place? Yeah, it's about to be a strip mall putting in a Walmart. Yeah, watch that. Yeah, how let you watch. And then the Walmart is like, I'm the watcher, a woman. Now you're a crazy person. Have Fun with that. I would call it man, but that is not of my house and for whatever reason I've got this desire to ruin this person's life, you know, saying like I know that I'm I'm crazy, but holy cow. Yeah, so this guy is our girl as a psychopath. That who's writing these letters. I'm fairly convinced that is someone that has some sort of legal cloud in the town. Sure, but the new tenants haven't received any letters, or earlier least they have, haven't they haven't expressed that they've received me. They haven't told anybody so either. They are under the control of the watcher. Hail the watcher from now on. If we ever say the watcher, I don't know why we would ever again but from now on I just want to of both all hal the watcher. Yeah, Hey, and thank you for watching. Oh, here, I'm gonna respond to every mean youtube comment that way. Give you have that every single one of these times too. The tartaria people, with these people, were like Youtube Fools, laugh like little girls, all hail the watcher, whatever, Dude, Oh man, can we get in touch with the current owners? We should try to in try, we could try. I mean, here's the thing. As far as I could find, I couldn't find anybody who got an interview with them. Calm, they're private investigator. Well, interbody. Haven't been reached out to by the things that I learned last night. PODCAST. That's what they've been waiting on. They've been waiting on a midtier podcast to reach out to him. Like who? They don't called today show that tell me when. Now they're too giddy. This is serious. We need a serious podcast. Yeah, to talk about the watcher. All, a little watcher man. So that's why I'm saying is, if that's my property. Yeah, I would. I would have cameras up. Hmm, I would, and this would. I would try to first I would spend a couple months trying to figure out who it was. If I kept getting letters, I would just burn into the ground. Yeah, and I would. I would be in the front yard watching it burned and I would admit to arson. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you just say, yeah, I did it, I'm just demolish it's not historic. I would demolish it, and I would and I will be outside with the back, with the back. Oh, it's like, you know, tearing it down. Oh, yeah, yeah, you might as well, because it's like, I mean, if you can't sell it, and I'd be out front just like a float on a parade. Hey, a neighbors tearing down. Say, you know, what's annoying is that? That makes you look insane. All Right, yes, I'm saying out front of this house, waven and all the neighbors are like heat. Tore down that. He tore out his own house toward his house. A little stupid break my high school son did. That's crazy. Anybody Seem Michael? Yeah, Oh, he's playing the watcher. Yeah, all Hail Wat sure. Anyway, I'm saying. I that makes me so angry. I think camera set up. 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L Ron Hubbard – The Story of The Church of Scientology

04-19-22

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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Lord Zen? You this sounds like an alien thing. I mean it's well, I guess. Be Honest, I didn't think about this. It was happened last time. I didn't think about this. I was like, Oh, yeah, this is another alien for you episode. I guess technically there are some alien okay. So, but here's the thing. Lord Z do ze, new Ze, new okay. I was like, I thought would see do that's where I thought. I thought it was someone at like theos Arg's. Just out here. Been like, I'm Lord seed. Yeah, watch me rip this rail and they do the whole like the water shoot straight up in the back of it. What it's called? Yeah, what about the space opera and the wall of fire? Space Opera, and yeah, wall of fire. Yeah, have you ever heard of that? Well, try this, theatan. What Thetan? Okay, okay, well, or maybe Theaytan, theayton. It might be Phaeton. What about dianetics? Phaeton. Yeah, Phaeton, fytan. Really, what? Phaeton? Is that a thing? No, it just sounds like someone the lisp. You Better Watch them without for the faith dark Lord Theyton. Please let me go to faith. Do Opera it's straights. It is Lord C do. We can't say C to is. We do. Yeah, my name is Lord Thee Doo. I love Theayton. What about dynetics, your herd dynamics, dianetics? What is this? What are we doing? So you or you heard to see you work. What are we do? Is the scientology? It's all, Ron Hubbard. We're doing alron huff really, yes, we are. Oh my God, I just wished a bunch of weird stuff from scientology and it sounded parting a scientology of a scientology. It looks like one of us is gonna have to get divorce and a gon be me. None of his books are the kind of books where, like, you look back and say that was a hit. He moves to city Kansas. Feels like whenever the pilots give you those wigs on so offthwest flight. Everyone at this college was aliens, also because it's weird and if you if it was public and everyone would be like this is stupid. Things I learned last night. Dianetics sounded familiar to me. Speaking of Scietology, though, I opened for polly shore this weekend from the Jersey Shore. Guys. That's what every idiot says. Now, know all the MOMS who listened to our podcast knew who polly shore is. You know who Poli Short is? No, you do, I know. Well, he's really big the s. He was a he made MTV. W int you. Anyway, these whatever. So open, probably short, and one of the funny bits that he had in the show was that he tried to join scientology but they were like no thanks. He's like, come on, it's pretty fun it's pretty funny. Yeah, let's go. When did you open for him? This weekend at the Improv? Ever? Know that was this weekend. Yeah, thanks for the invite, man, you wouldn't have come up. Was Forty minutes from your house. You're right, I want to have yeah, and I would like to be invited. Invited. Yeah, okay, that's the plastic. So I'm very curious about scientology people because they have put up this stupid, gigantic sign in downtown Kansas City and ruined our skyline. I thought, I think it's kind of Nice. No, it's not, like I don't like that it's a scientology, but I think it's a nice looking sign. Yeah, the FOS. Fine, what do you try about? You Mad squad that they chose a good thing. I'm like, man, I wish they would have done comic sayings. I wish they would have put comic fans, but I don't like that it's downtown monster. I don't like that it's in the skyline. Now, I mean it's first of all, it's not in the skyline. It's in midtown. That's outside the skyline. Second of all, it looks good, like it's a good looking sign. Are you a fan? I'm not a fan. I just think that's a good sign. Okay, like, that's a goodlooking sign. All right, look of all, but anyways, yeah, good goods like a good sign, like not a like like a cook. A good sign. Yeah, we'll tell our discord members what that comedy special is. Eventually will. So this episode we're going to focus a little more on l Ron Hubbard. Okay, it's gonna cover a lot of scientology. You'll understand a lot about it by the end of this. Okay, but l Ron, his name is l let her, L for Lafayette, Ron for Ronald Hubbard. Oh, I thought Oh ron was one name. So I'm already learning stuff. Yeah, so it's Laffie at Ronald Hubbard. Everyone made fun of him for being named Lafayet. So we started going by L Ron, which makes sense. And also lron sounds kind of like ron stable. It sounds mystic, it sounds like you're inventing every I'm not saying l Ron Hubbard is cool. I'm saying l the name. L Ron. Yeah, Bird. That's why I go by J RON now. So he he was born in one thousand nine hundred and eleven in Nebraska and then some life happened. Went to college. Didn't go well in college. Where do you go to college? Because its scientology based in Los Angeles. Well, sword, okay. He went to the George Washington University's School of Engineering, because it's dad really wanted them together, and one thousand nine hundred and thirty, but he was a pretty crappy student and so he dropped out in one thousand nine hundred and thirty two, okay, and decided to take a trip to the Caribbean. Okay, he would have Caribbean because he wanted to do Red Cross work. On the way there, though, he was like hey, I hear there's a lot of gold down here. So he just found another island or something. Started looking for gold. Didn't find anything. Do you look for gold these keep your eyes peeled? Yeah, like, what's the tactic? You don't mind that stuff right here. Gold to go to gold, to gold, to gold. The goalie like the pig suey it is. Dear Satan, please help me find some work. What do you got to do? I don't know. He just looked for gold for a little bit, didn't find any, got to got to Puerto Rico, did some red cost work, found out charity wasn't for him. And then we get you a dave rames he headset. You know, you're seen Dave rameses radio show now and he wears big ears and I'm like it's a Britney spears. Mike's yeah, yeah, but it's not a thing. It's not thin like Brittany spears. That's like, Oh yeah, no, it's like a full like macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Yeah, thing, like can you think I moved my crane arm too much? Yeah, but yours, or at least some debut forty over here. You're hearing that one a lot, right, I don't. I never hear it in the episode. Alex always cuts it out. I don't think you cuts it out. I don't think I've ever heard you cut it out. I don't think I've ever heard listening to the episode, like actually listen to me back, I hear, but not these are out yet. Usually he is live so far away from the microphone and thing matter. But then here we are. Okay, whatever, I'm sorry. So he moves to DC Kay, Washington, because he was like there's gold there. Yeah, DC Washington. Yeah, just wanted to clarify. Yeah, yeah, he moves to city Kansas. and Are you talking about? It was the DC Washington. Yeah, found out there's a lot of gold in Fort Knox. Is Fort Knox in Washington? Where's Fort Knox? Don't ask me questions. This is not my job. I didn't come prepare with answers and I also don't have a computer in front of me. Where is Fort Knox? Oh, it's Kentucky. Fort Knox, Kentucky. Okay, let un down obvious. So he went to DC and he started a writing career where he wrote science fiction and he actually the majority of this early phase of his career. We Yours is one thousand nine thirty three. Okay. He started writing short twenty two years old. Yeah, started writing short stories that were landing in like little pulp fiction magazines, right sure, and eventually got a deal to write his first like novel and started just writing an insane amount of science fiction novels. Okay, to the point where he became the most published author of all time. He's got like six hundred and seventy so odd novels to his name, like it's bonkers really. Yeah, he would wrote so much science fiction and then plagiarize any of it? I don't think so. I mean to put out that many books. How how big are these books? The page or two? I don't know. I mean I'm assuming like at least the hundred ish page is like to be a novel like that is a crazy amount of stuff. Yeah, how long of a span was this he's putting I mean over the course of his life, he put out like six hundred and seventy, but still, let's say that he did it till he was in his wanity. I don't know who I want to get too far at head us. He died at seventy four, I think so. It's what I'm saying. He starts writing a point two. He that's fifty something years right. That is ten books a year. Yeah, yeah, it's a bonkers amount of writing. He did like an absolutely. It's like here's my book for this month. Yeah, a lot of people have a book of a month club they can't even keep up with and that's just them reading somebody else's yeah, and he wrote, he wrote them and he was like I'm going to start a book of the month club where I just write, write, write a book each month, every month. At a certain point you got to start recycling, though. Maybe I don't know. I mean here's the thing. None of his books are classics, like, none of his books on the Book What Are you? Books are good, I mean know the like. None of his books are the kind of books where like you look back and say that was a hit, like they're all books. I think he did the math. I think he said he was making a penny a word. Oh Wow. So, I mean I don't know how many words are in a typical novel, but I know like the average like college world page is like three hundred words. So he would get what, three dollars a page, which I don't know, about an hour of work to do three to four pages. So he's making like ten bucks an hour, which back then is probably pretty good. I don't know. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, so he starts getting him published like he's got it. He's not just putting he's just not like here's my book. Yeah, he's got a decent running career, but he he's not making a ton of money off of it. Sure, and so he gets married. He meets this woman by the name of Margaret Pauline. Were Free Time. That's what I'm saying. Go ahead. How do you have time for anything else? So he marries this woman. He's writing for a few years. There they've got their young marriage or whatever I'm going on, you know, like right love. Well, then he has his dental procedure in one thousand nine hundred and thirty eight and he has like an allergic reaction to like a drug that they used in the procedure. Okay, and it's like a near death experience for him. And supposedly in this neardeath experience, he composes this manuscript that never got published, but he has a title for it. He calls it the one command or. It's a separate title, Ice Caliber. So it's to got it one command or axe calbert never publish this but he said that this manuscript, he talks about it to say that this manuscript has more influential power, and then the Bible. He says it could change the world as we know it. Yeah, and he was high on dental meds. Yeah, he got he got his wisdom teeth out and most people, as my own tiewriter, some ginger rail. He's just yeah. So He pens this manuscript that he's like this is gonna change the world as we know it, like it's life changing. Okay, deal. And so he starts kind of shopping around, exploring this idea, but he's not publishing it's kind of explain this idea. Still writing his books. It's kind of like this thing that's on us. It's a side project, right. Yeah, like he's he's my side project is but one rule of life that I want everyone to live by. My side project is the new Bible. Yeah, my side project is revolutionary change to the world. MMMMM. But yeah, it's just a hobby you do in your free time. Yeah, so dating his wife. so He's writing books. He takes a trip to Alaska, Explores Alaska and it's like formative for him or whatever. He sees the world in a new light after it. Okay, he's got his little side project with his ex caliber manuscript, and then the war starts because it is late s so he enlists while he tries to join the navy and they say we don't want you know. Thank you. And then he tries again when the war gets a little further in and they're like a we need he's like hey, yeah, things gotten pretty out of hand. Yeah, and then they're like okay, fine, and so he somehow works his way up. So he works his way to a lieutenant junior grade, which I don't understand. That feels a lot liked white street, being the assistant. Yeah, and Assistant to the lieutenant junior lieutenant. This ship feels like whenever the pilots give you those wigs on this ofuthless flight. Yeah, you're a lieutenant, your great good, thank you for all you've done. It's like sitting in the emergency exit row, or it's like you have a responsibility, but like only if things get really bad. That's a good example. That's not working your way up, that's just sit in the right scene. All right. So how bard was sent on what they called submarine chaser training. Okay, and so he was commanding a ship that was supposed to be chasing submarines, right, yeah, off the coast of San Diego, and they're, you know, constantly all day swomen, right, they're just trying, like you guy, up your speed if you're gonna be able to chase the submarines. When Faster Hubboard? Yeah, yeah, that was before they genetically modified them and got people of Michael Phelps, you know, crazy as submarines saying. Also, this guy wrote that many books and is also taking this much time in the military. Yeah, he did take a break to do the military thing because the war, I mean, everybody took a break. Well, I know, but that's what I'm saying. Like that makes the number even crazier. Yeah, it really is. I can get past that. So he he's doing this training and off the coast of San Diego he encounters what they believe is an axis submarine off the coast of San Diego. So he engages this submarine and he leads his ship and they engage a submarine. For Sixty eight hours they're firing on this submarine. So a long conflict, only to realize that it was just a magnetic deposit on the sea floor, not a submarine, just another shooting back. Yeah, I keep flating, it's still yeah, it's a real Kelly Hopkinsville encounter. Sir. We've hit this thing about a hundred times in the last four daybuting no mercy. So that that kind of put a check on the Navy's heart. They were like, I don't know if this guy's fit for the navy. We didn't think he was. Originally, originally with the reason they cut him out. They said this is their official statement. They said this officer is not satisfactory for independent duty assignment. He is Garu Lewis much what that means and tries to give impressions of his importance. He also seems to think he is has unusual ability and most lines these characteristics indicate he will require close supervision for satisfactory rep performance and of any intelligence duty. So basically interesting, he's really full of himself and he's not very good at anything. Well, yeah, I mean he's writing a book called the one come in then, so I wouldn't call him humble, Humble Hubbard. So later on another training exercise, he's in the Gulf and he shoots Mexican ship down, which was an ally of the US, pretty sure still is, shoot some Mexican ship down and then they were like yeah, you gotta go, man, you can't be a part of this. Yeah, and so we draw the line. Yeah, so he gets he gets at home. They actually hospital, hospitalize them for some minor injuries, and then he moves back to la where he tries to pick up another his writing career from where he left off. What was his wife doing this whole time? He still married to that lad? Yeah, I assume. Yeah, I assume. And so now they're in loss. Yeah, he's still married to her. They move to La and while he's in La he's writing again, still kind of in the back of his head being like remember that thing I wrote that like is going to change the world, but not like pursuing is just like, man, that was a cool thing I wrote. Right, yeah, it's a good one sentence. Really Sense. Was this wild teams the world. That was this. That's a good idea. Back Down, I a. So he moves to La and while he's in La he makes friends with a muster Crowley and Jack Parsons. Right, two episodes we've done in the past. Go back in the stove. If you haven't and they do some weird stuff together, most notably of which all Ron Hubbard steals are gets twentyzero dollars. Was a twenty or forty? It's Twentyzero from Jack Parsons and takes his wife. Yeah, and takes his wife. The interests saying was he divorced from the other girl? Yeah, the interesting thing that I didn't know when we did Jack Parson's was Lron was not divorced. WHO's still married to his wife. So took this woman and legally marries her, because apparently they didn't check back then. They were just like all, you want to get married, cool, you're not married to anybody else, are you? I don't think they check now. They just want to verify. Do they are not married to anybody? Nobody asked me. I was just a you guys are both married and nobody anybody ask I have a feeling like the county would probably look at the records because polygamy is illegal. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they would check the county records and say you did isn't look at your hand ring already. They the what they trade in them on. Is that? I check their fingers. He can I see your left hand and you just have to go like a shark ate it. How insensitive of you to ask where are you gonna put your ring then? I don't know. I'm will wear a bracelet on my left arm. You know when you go to a water park and they give it a little spanning bracelet on the locker key. You know, here's also were there. Yeah, we're gonna do that. A little heart on it. Yeah, with a little diamond at the top. Yeah, surprised you don't recognize me from the SACER for a movie. I'm surprised you don't recognize before by other three marriages. I was here earlier this week. I'm the person with one hand and I'm getting married again. Remember what I buried the other person. Really sorry about your first marriage. Why? Why? It's going great, questioning lesually, she looks like a two thousand and sevens email. Look like forty bracelets on her for or a two thousand and ten evangelist. We know just these Bible verses. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, so we were like this, your hand drend getting eat by Sharker is it was the circulation cut off by all those brakes. It just fell off. Oh Wow, love a good Bethany Hamilton joke. That's great. The answer question. I don't know if anybody checks. I assume that when they file they check. Yeah, you do, but back then, but back then they didn't have any conveyor said, no one was. Look, do you have a wife already? Okay, so he's just this box to confirm not married. He married to he how many women did he to marry? Well, he married her and then his wife found out and she's like, wait a second, you married another person. Like he's like, I'm right here, I not tell you. I texted you. I texted you after lunch. Read it now, look at you. Said you sit back a gift. Oh, I was responded to her other text. I must have missed the part where you got married to somebody else. L Ron, you told me to go to Jack Parson's House and Terry Sarah Part Mary and Mary says don't know, it is out of correct I said, Carrie, oh, that doesn't make sense either, though. Yeah, carry her back home. It was an old way of saying give her a ride. I want to get tea with her this afternoon. Okay, okay, carry her over to the tea place. Harry her over, carry her, got it, but you married her. Well, I was just trying to do what you asked. Looks like one of us is gonna have to get divorce. It Ain't gonna be me, it's gonna be you, either way. Urn. So she leaves him because he married somebody else, paull. He's like, I'm not, it's a good reason. Yeah, poll he's like, I'm leaving. So she does. Oh, polly, I. Finally, we're tire by paully shore for a second because we mentioned him earlier. I was like, polly was leaving. No, Paully's his first wife. Have you are a loved one and been diagnosed with too many advertisements during the till and podcast? Have we got good news for you? Our patrons enjoy ad free experience and they get early access to content, behind the scenes stuff, exclusive merchandise and access to a private discord channel. Will. We all are in it, our producers and the hosts. So if you'd like to be a patron today and solve that problem, why don't you text tilling to six, six, eight and sixty six. Yeah, so she was like I'm out. Sarah's a second wife. polly leaves and then he goes to Florida to start this boating company. Yeah, all right, with Jack. First Bunches start made, starts making a bunch of boats. Him and Sarah Pretty big friends because you know the whole culty thing. They're both really into culty stuff. Yeah, are they still in touch with Alis for crowd during this time? I believe so. They already had like colty roots to them. Yeah. Yeah. And so he hasn't done anything scientology related yet? No, no, no, yes, this is the late S. there's no, no, no hint of scientology and him. But how did that? How will? How was he rich before? was He rich? No, not. So the money that he got from Jack Parsons was his first like investment stuff of yeah, that was his first like my serious sum of money, right, I mean he was. He was a struggling he thought it was for those because Twentyzero dollars when that exchange happened, was about four hundredzero man. Yeah. Yeah, so its a very significant some of money that he came across, especially considered compared to what he had been making his whole life writing little books. But he's still doing that. He's still write a little books. He in making boats yeah, he makes this little yacht thing and just drives it around and does stuff with it. I don't know whatever you do when you have a voting company and then two things too interesting things happen. In this era the L S, she won for things to too interesting, things to thetans. So here's this is. So he starts working with this guy who's got a yacht, right, okay, and the guy reaches out to the VA and as like hey, we need to get this guy out. Ron Hubbard like psychiatric treatment. He rests the VA and I guess he had been trying for a couple years to get this guy like psychiatric help and the Va is just kind of ignoring all of his please and he's like no, for Real, this guy's weird. Yeah, he's like. He's like this guy's insane. He needs he needs help, and the VA's kind of ignoring all of his attempts. Meanwhile, our on Hubbard puts together his theory he calls dianetics, and so dynetics is a psychology book that he writes. It's his first published work of nonfiction. Okay, and the idea is that every physical ailment in your body is related to a psychological state, like an emotion. And so if you have a toothache, yeah, then it's because you have some sort of negative emotion, and if you can do away with that negative emotion, you'll do away with that physical ailment as well. Does the physical is a manifestation of your emotional state exactly. And so he started creating the system. He called them audits, and so you audit your memories, you audit your feelings, you audit your emotions and wipe away all the bad. And so if you have bad memories, you're wiping away the bad memories. You have bad emotions, you're wiping away the bad emotions. And that, I'll make you physically healthy. And in doing it, it as you as you practice this and you get better at it, you're supposed to be able to get yourself to a level that he calls clear. And so that's where all the bad is gone and you're clearly clear. And okay, what significant about it is, one, you're physically super healthy, but to your mind is in a much stronger state. So you're supposed to be able, sure, to have like a photographic memory at this state and have all these like almost like I want to say supernaturalilities? Is He writing like from the perspective that he has reached? Clear, yes, yes, interesting, and and he he he. It's not like supernatural abilities, but it's like you have a really high IQ. Is Like your brain is bigger than everybody else's. Is He literally says your brain is two sizes too big for your skull and you're gonna to get a new skull and I can sell it to you. He doesn't say that. Yeah, but space. That's he actually talk about brain growth, though. Now he doesn't, but he's saying. He's actually saying you're unlocking more parts of your brain that you're not using. Okay. And so he goes and he buys a fake doctorate from some doctor farm. Yeah, yeah, you a doctorate farm. Is that what you just said? Yeah, this is a real thing. They're like scam organizations that pretend to be universities and they make this fake name. They go out and they get a legal like, they get legally certified as an education place, and then you just go you pay x amount of dollars to get a degree, but you don't have to do any course work. They print it for you and but it's it's all. I they get caught all the time. Start to keep opertivation. Yeah, exactly. And so he went. He bought a fake PhD. Is In this is a serious question. This isn't like a dig or anything like that. Is that what trump university was? I don't we know. Maybe, probably, okay, I don't want to say probably, maybe. Okay, I that was really no question. It's not a dig up. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. But so he goes and he starts traveling around the world, yeah, doing these speaking engagements, presenting this idea, sure, as if he is a psychiatrist with a PhD and all this experience and all this clinical experience and trying to get Sol forged, yeah, and trying to get other psychiatrists to buy into it and buy his book dynamics. Okay, and so it's says scam. It's a fullblown giant scam. Yeah, to play well at all. Crumbled in California one year, I think it was like forty nine, when he was doing one of these speeches. He called a woman up and she was supposed to have gone through all the clear and whatever and she reached a level clear and then she was supposed to have a photographic members she was going to show or some flash cards and then she was going to go through the stack and say exactly, like in order, what everything in the stack was. She couldn't do it. And then he turned around. He's like, well, she'll be able to remember the color of my tie. And he turned around and he's like what colors my tie and she's like blue, and it's red. And everybody just walked out on them, like they were just like, okay, this guy's full of it, like it's yeah, this is bogus. And so we're starts to spread that this Hubbard Guy, this dieis book, is bogus, like there's nothing to it, because it was. For a second. The psychiatric commedia was like, is this legit? Like this guy's got a degree, like he's sure got the book, he's got all this experience and like they were resclaiming results. Yeah, and so they were like maybe there's something to that. And then news came out about this meeting where he tried to show and everyone's like, oh no, yeah, this guy, yeah, full of it. Yeah, it's like. So he becomes convinced to that and okay, so he becomes convinced that Psyche Psychiatrists are aliens who've been sent to Earth to tear down the dionetics system and because dionetics was here to save humanity. And so he says psychiatrists are aliens and they're trying to destroy our health as a race, and they're doing this by taking away dinex form us, because they know it'll it'll save our entire race. I mean, that's a logical step, you know, that means the most sensible next step for this scenario. So he is. How about that? When people walk out of my comedy shows, I'm like, which happens a lot every comedy show, I walk a whole crowd. I started showing these they they all stand up in unison, they walk out and I'm screaming out, like what colors my tie? You know, aliens. Yeah, and I go and then I spread the word. I go. Listen, I in freaking beaver Dam Wisconsin. Okay, everyone at this college is aliens. Okay, and they are any time anyone fun follows me on social media. Aliens. Yeah, let's be must be an alien. Must Be. So he starts the Dionetics Foundation, obviously, and where he's like, he's like Dud's, which he's too parting to one, trying to spread dinetics because it's like hey, this is for the health and mental and physical health of everyone in the world and to to stop the Lizard people take over. Yeah, he's that's pretty accurate. It sounds like he could use some dianetics. So he he, this is classic. Like he did an audit of himself or whatever he calls it. Yeah, this goes the problem can't be me. Yeah, it's not me, it's got to be someone else. So Hubbard kind of he was always kind of crazy, obviously, but this is where he goes just absolutely off the Roos, insane. Yeah, absolutely insane. And so so things with him and Sarah Start going and this is pretty really good at these. Let me double check. Yeah, this is early s and so the him and his relationship with Sarah starts kind of getting pretty pretty negative sham eventually the point where she walks out on him and then he like you're an alien. Well, he chases her down and kidnaps her and ties her up and lockster in his basement. Is that real? Yes, but what he's like? He's like the aliens are trying to take you, and so she recommends him what? She recommends him to get like psychological like testing after this whole event. From who? She's in a basement. He looks her out. Yeah, he lets her out. Obviously, like like they don't know. I don't know what happened after. You can't break up with me. That's the aliens trying to get to you. Yeah, pretty, pretty rough. And so what a psychiatrist said, that this man is dangerous and should not be allowed to be base. I don't even know the rest of the story at but just based solely where we're at now and then, knowing that there's scientology places all over the country, I'm scared and fascinated for how this goes. Yeah, so, anyways, I'm see Sarah Leaves Him, says that he's insane. He gets like the she gets away, that she gets away and she leaves him. They get a divorce, she gets abducted. I'm start to it and I was trying to think of like a levitated word or whatever. She just gets, you know, she just takes ends. Yeah, it becomes clear. Yeah, so he marries a new girl. It's the big side where you're like, so he marries somebody else. There is a new girl and he founds the Church of Scientology and he what year is this that he founds and made? Fifty three, four hundred and fifty four, Kay. And so five years after he's walked out on, yeah, by all these psychologists. Yes, like this is a new thing. Yeah, and so he realizes what it. What's he openly says. He says you can't become a millionaire. This is an exact quote. So you can't become a millionaire by writing books for a dollar a word. He says you can, but you can become a millionaire by starting a religion. That's a quote. That's an that's a like exact quote. He's straight up said that. And so like, well, the aliens said he said that. What? I'm just so curious how this ends up with people in Kands to the hating me a pamphlet outside a yard house the other night. What seems likely is that he he tried to become a world renowned psychologist for this new idea, dinet right, and nobody believed him. His Foundation came under some pretty serious legal problems because it was fraud. But if you disguise it as a religion, it becomes I can believe what I want. Yeah, it's untouchable because now you don't have to be a license therapist. Your religious therapy can be whatever you want it to be because you're a religion. And and then in your tax system is totally different, like he wasn't he was in some serious tax trouble. So you just declared it a religion to dodge a bunch of legal problems. And he realized, coincidentally, that making it a belief system instead of an like intellectual academic thing, more people were willing to accept it than the academics were got it, and so he was able to find a lot of people, especially like his culty friends, to buy into this. Yeah, in those early days. And so he bought this little house in Washington DC and it's now called the Lroun how bird museum. so He's got his own museum in DC, which is interesting. But it was the Academy of Scientology. That's where it all started. Okay. So he targeted influential and important people to kind of believe this system and he promised them this clear situation where you saying, I follow this system, you go through this, you can become clear and you'll be more physically healthy, you'll be more mentally and emotionally healthy than you've ever been in your life. All that'll cost you as a hundred thousand dollars to go through the program. Okay, and so you pay to go through the program. Will Walk you through all the steps. And so we found these ultra rich people who were depressed and took advantage of them at a low point in their life and promise them clarity and health and and happiness. But I think if you find someone in that kind of state, right and a depressive state, any kind of structure will provide more clarity. Yeah, but people in those and those states are are vulnerable. That's where I'm saying. Is that is it doesn't have to be the right structure. Yeah, yeah, but it's the same kind of thing of like this person changed our life because they told me to make my bed every morning. Yeah, yeah, you know, and never since I've done it, I've just had so much more clarity and peace. And you're like, well, yeah, but I mean you just use had a discipline and you stuck with it. That's that's that's general wisdom. Yeah, yeah, so, the the the process was get a bunch of really influential people in okay, and he was clever about it because it wasn't a most world religions. If you're going to believe in that world religion, you're denying all other world religions right here. This is the one. Scientology is non exclusive. You can be a Christian and still be a scientologist. You can be a Hindu and still be a scientologist, because you're not for the scientologist. Your definition of the spiritual world and of God. It can come from anywhere. Okay, it is. It's more of the way of life and the commands of how to be a human come from scientology. The spiritual can come from somewhere else, okay. And so he made it to where it's like you can continue be any Graham guy. My wrong. Oh, I mean, yeah, yeah, that's kind of you kind of got all right, well, the road back to you, so go ahead. Yeah. So, anyways, a lot of people bought into it and then l Ron Hubbard got super rich off of this. Obviously people are pen spending hundreds of thousand does of dollars to ascend to this claire at this level of clarity. So I guess, I guess we can dive into scientology itself real quick. So in Scientology is obviously a very guarded religion. They don't want you to know everything. Yeah, because you got to pay. Yeah, you gotta spend the money to know everything. Also, because it's weird and if you if it was public, then everyone would be like this is stupid. But if they get your claus in you, then they can trick and they I mean they are, they're pretty aggressive. Yeah, so, especially, that's why they're in midtown, is that they wrote people in from power and light. Yeah, they know exactly, like they know exactly the type of people to target. Like they have this system the rich who are in vulnerable places and they know exactly how to twist them and gas l item and push them the direction they want to push them. It's I mean it's a very well oiled system. Yeah, very bad system, but it's well oiled and built to get them the soul, the conclusion that they want out of people. And the whole concept is everybody has like a level. So you enter in and you got to do all these audits and reach your clarity and as you go through, they have all these levels and I think they're like Otwe two, three, four, five, six, and of them whatever, eight. I think eight is the top. Okay, and I've clarity. No. So so you have you reach your clarity and then after you reach your clarity, you become an operating thetan. I'm an operating. They did? Yeah, I think they did operate them. Fayton operates the saint. You've good operating Satan. You said it. That's time. So theaeton is just the word that Hubbard made up to mean the soul and say's basically you're sould and so, but this is after you reach clear. So, yeah, you've reached clear and now you've got to ascend the ranks. She's okay, and so clear used to be the top. Yeah, but these are like can make more? Yeah, and then he's like. He's like, well, he's been a hundred thousand dollars to get clear. Yeah, thank you. Spend two Hundrezero, which is also a team. And just so we're all on the same page, when you go to an airport and there's the TSA alternative called clear, that also cost a hundred thousand dollars, and that's what we're talking about, is where you can just go up and use your little pupil to get it in front of the TSA, and there's people spend a hundred thousand dollars to do. Yeah, I did it one year. So incredible amount of debt for one year of clear. So and each level you go up they reveal more to you, obviously, and you go through all this auditing process. They have this most Ota. So that's that. That's the time. Are you being taught by people in higher tears? Yeah, yeah, so the people in those tears are meeting with you. It's really interesting. I'll touch on that real quick in a second. I do want to grab a picture of this thing quick. So as you go through, as you go through the the Ot ratings, you have to do this, the audits pretty regularly. Right, so stupid. So you have to get do these audits really regularly to make sure, like your energy and your clarity is there. And so how bird invented this thing called the e meter and the e meters metering your emotions. And here's a picture of what this thing looks like. The best way I could describe this for if you're listening, it's like remember in like the S, when malls had those spaceships. You could explore. Yeah, and like it was like man out of plastic and there's all this stuff. But anyways, it's like this really, really crappy looking like electronic device with all these knobs and screens and stuff, and then there's these little tin cans they just hold on to. And it's kind of like the idea were to make up a lot detector, like if you were just to start from scratch and be like what do you think a lot of detector should look like? This is it, but probab only thing you have to go off of as an old CD player, then that's what this would look like. Yeah, that's pretty, pretty fair. So it's like you had to take that and just like turn that into a a lie detector. Yeah, so you got to hold those little rolls gold things. Yeah, you hold the little rolls gold, and then they ask you a bunch of questions about your memories and stuff, and then we're go, here's the problem. Like yeah, I really it's expensive to go. I mean you can go, I'm sure, but like they kidnap you, like that's part of the experience. Yeah, they tell you, put you in their basement. They call you Sarah, like what do you think about that? Sarah Ar Oh, yeah, Sarah, call me polly. Yeah, they call Sarah. So, Hey, you ever heard of tilling merchandise? That's right, we've got a full store of branded teas, mugs, hoodies, stickers, a lot more. All of its available online. If you just text tilling to six six, eight hundred and six six, we will send you a link for all of that. And we put out new designs with every episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them while they're hot. So you got the you got the KNOBS, and then the person asks you all these questions about your memories. Okay, if you addited properly, but we could go to the Siontology, the church scientology building. I'm sure we can. Just saying, would you like to try to get roped in? You and I, let's go to these. They shoal they want to be. They would look at our they would look at us and they'd be like, you guys aren't rich enough for this, like they would rether you. No, go on, my are we? They want to be roping a hundreds of thousand dollars out of people. We don't have any more, Dude. They're handing I'm saying they're handing out pamphlets downtown Kansas City. I'm saying, let's go to the entry let, and the people who were handing it to me are not rich people. Yeah, I don't so they're they're roping in people who aren't going to beat you and dad. I guess. I don't know. But anyways, you grabbed the thing. I think they would want me, not even for my money, but for my social media influence. Yeah, that is true. They do like that's what I'm saying. Famous is that could, and I'm gonna try to lower my voice because I heard myself. Goes saying, would would you like to try to infiltrate scientology? I'm I feel like I'm having a real conversation with you right now and you're acting like I'm not. Think this crazy. Yeah, but I'm saying we could do it. Yeah, okay, it's kind of like there's that Tick Tock Colt out in Los Angeles that I want to join. Yeah, you do really want to join that call. I want to be I don't want to be in a cult. I don't want to be. We need a safe word. You don't want to be in a call, but you want to be in a car, want to be in a could, but I don't want to be brainwashed by a cloud. Don't want it. You. Yeah, you want to be in a carpet. You want to be in but I think they know that. I think they're good at finding people who has a good at figure, yeah, who's real and like and they're serious, like especially, like, like maybe those lower levels the let anybody in, but as you start to ascend to clarity in the OT levels, was it that they spy on you and like they monitor every part of your life? And that guy who's special, you liked where he does the whole suggestive stuff? What's Darren Damn Brown? Yeah, okay. Did he also do the thing where they get someone to push something off a building? Was that also? Yes, yes, okay, so with the way they did that. If you don't know if it's on Netflix, it used to be. I don't know, okay, still it's called. Yeah, it's well, yeah, it was called push. They'd a whole thing where they get somebody in a made up scenario where everyone in the thing is actors, and then it escalates through the night of just like little suggestive things of like they drop sandwiches on the floor and put them back on the tray and like hey, you know, still go serve those. Yeah, and so just like saying yes to those things. Yeah, and then eventually it ends with them having to push someone off a building. Yeah, literally push someone off a building, and it's a stunt person who is just like falling it. Yeah, for me. And so I'm saying that, is that similar kind of tactic, or is there's similar things like that that they're employing, that they can figure out your suggestibility? Probably, I mean, if it is a bad public we don't. That's why I think I wouldn't be in a cult is because I would, you know, I wouldn't get chosen for push yeah, yeah, because you're ready to suggestive. We wash it together and she was like, Oh yeah, I would get child. I would put someone off. You would. You would push someone out, but you wouldn't do the same, which thing. That's where I'm saying you would. You're like evil. I get up out the roping like, Oh, you want me to push them out the yeah, I don't. Showed me, like can I can? I be the one who does it? Promise you want to tell I was you promise but here's what you would do them. You would do it thinking you were in a thinking it was a bit. That's what you're saying. It was a bit. How this is your doing, and be like Oh, okay, and then you push someone to their death. Yeah, and then I'd like, this wasn't a joke. Where the camp? I thought you guys aren't joking, Ashton. Why would you do this to me without it being a joke? Yeah, I'm sorry, officer, I thought this was all a joke. I thought I thought I was on reality. I thought the knife was fake and I didn't realize I'm just, after the twentieth time, sapping the person. What I'm saying is that I think they would know our suggestibility was not there. Yeah, probably, probably, we could probably fake it. And also, their tests are dumb and made up. Yeah, I'm just holding these little things, accessing memories. Here's the thing, I think. I think the tests are a white rabbit. I think. Okay, I think what they're trying to do is trying to make you believe that you're going through these audits and try to make you believe that you're doing all this clarity stuff to ascend your levels, when really they're just draining money from you until they realize it's the same concept as micro transactions, with the bit the whales. They're trying to move you up the levels and when they feel like they're losing you, they push you up and give you that reward. Same thing the counselors were doing. Psychologists are all they're all aliens, just sucking a little bit of money from you. So I think it's yeah, but the act, when you almost have a breakthrough, they go or time is up. I tell me about your father. So they will discuss this next week. So so the idea is you're clearing your mind, you're getting rid of all your bad memories and all your good emotion, all your bad emotions right, and when you do that you ascend the OT levels. You're operating faith. Theytan one operating theting to to get to eight AIDS, the highest level. Okay, well, I'm saying someone who's gone through all this, the one a ministering the test. HMM. Yeah, so the person a minute and ministering to the test is at least one level above you. Okay, at least one above you. And so as you're going up the levels, you start to get more power in the organization, used to write, more perks and you learned and you're trenched in more and you feel no weirdness about giving your money away. You and you learn more stuff, and I think that's I think that's what more most people are so interested about is like, because the the the lie that they paint is that scientology has all the answers, like you know, any answer, any question about why we're here, what we're supposed to do. Scientology has the answers and we'll give it to you you spent enough money, or if you get cleared clarity. Is What they say. But it's if you spend enough money. Leah Remini in her show, she talks about when she reached out three she got access to voice. Maybe just do it all the quick books. She got access to learn about Lord Zu. This is what I'm saying, though. You and I couldn't make it past click, because they would go. Imagine sitting across from an Oh for right or whatever they're called, T for ot, for ot fur. Yeah, and they're like it's time to learn about Lord's and you are just like yes, that's exactly how I'd react, like facetoface, get you say Lord Zenu to my face and I guess this is a devil wors prod the song. Yeah, yeah, it's, I mean it is. So here's the thing. Okay, so Leah Remedy talks about it. She gets Otthree and she said here's, here's exactly what happened to her. She said they gave her an office to go to in their headquarters and she got to the office and head quarters. Is that? We're at this point and the La One? Okay, yeah, on whatever that is. No, I know, we're on way whatever. It's PROB ugly blue building. Yep. So you go up. She's like. She's like, I went up to this office and there was like a clerk and the clerk asked me a couple questions and then they gave me a briefcase and I went to a separate office. When I got to that office are they gave me a code that only I need the code to and so I could open the briefcase. I open the briefcase, go to that second office and hand them the open briefcase and they put the file and that briefcase, they close it and they clip it to your clothes. So it's like stuck to your body, right, and so it has to be like connected to you at all times, as the idea. Okay, and only you know the password, right. So then you go to a different office and there's someone waiting for you there. That's like that next level of Otthree or whatever. You're sending to that level, and you get taken to this room and then they say, okay, you can open the documentary. So they're sitting across the street, across the the table from me, streets different building, with binoculars and they're like gotta Bu Walky Talk. What do you think of that? So, just to secure tail three launch, you open the briefcase now, okay, and if we're going to give you a few moments to read that paper. So she and it just says I have a bomb. Like what? Sorry, we gave you the wrong paper. It's a deep cooper reference. You get it all. DB Cooper's on the plane. Wait, he's created. F's like okay, and he's like we must have switched Su briefcases. Somebody get we need Liam remedy. So she gets to the office, she can say open the breeze us. We see across the table, sitting across the table and she said that. She said because I'm a celebrity, like I get like special parks that most people don't. So her mom got to be there to watch a reaction her mom's otiate. Oh Gosh, why is her mom in before her? Because her like she was raised in Scientology. Her family a big scientology family, okay, and so her mom's Otie. And so her mom's like super excited for her to finds like the mysteries of the universe. Right, see you. And so she reads the whole thing and Leah says in her the documentary, she said this was a moment where she liked turned like Leah did, because she read it and she was like this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. And she's like trying to eyeball her mom and they like this is real show, like is this and night? And so I just dropped half a million dollars on this. She's like you did this, not for a show them. This isn't punked, this isn't this is real. And so the guy across from you then asked, like quizzes you on it and iff, you get it wrong, you have to read it again. He quizzes you again until you get it right. That's yeah, that's straight up brainwashing, I know. And so here's here's the concept, here's the concepts. The concept is everybody's a theating and the theetan's are every square inch of your body is millions of other beings and Theetan's are so like. Your fingers are millions of Theatons, your elbows are millions of theetings. Your nose or millions of theatings, and they're all the theatings. That did not say. There's knees and head shoulders, theton's toes, theaton's toes, shoulders, the Oh. I used to always sing head shoulders, Satan's toes, and sounds like I don't have things, I don't have Satan's toes. Wow, Satan's toes sounds like what our patron supporters told us to say. We did secret code words with some of our patren supporters. And Satan's toes, is it? That sounds like something that tell us this. Yeah, but yeah, so it's the Big Bang of a bunch of Thetan's were released into existence and they came together to create, to create you, to create humans. Pay. So the millions of Thetan's are you and they are all following this. I guess I'm confused. How we get from dianetics. Yeah, you're going to tie us all together, because that's confusing to me. Of like how this guy starts to sing as a psychological practice. Yeah, turns it into a belief and suddenly it's Lord Zeena. Yeah, so the dionetics was his failed psychiatry, but it's involved areness, and so that was a springboard. Okay, so that's his his first opening door. So she saying that this is the point where she realized this is all dumb. Yeah, because it's. Because what do you do with then? Do you just leave the office? Well, they don't let you leave. Yeah, I mean if you watch like she's got her whole series about it, and it's very interesting to watch like her. What's talk about her? What platforms on? On? It's on Netflix. It's a really yeah. Yeah, and so we're sponsored by heard scientology show and so, and we're also sponsored, to not say the name of it, psychologies Pagas, to not say the day. Yeah, LEA remedies, telling us that it's business right there. That's what you got to do, you know, you got to promote it, but like you can't say what it is. Yeah, so Lord Ze new comes into it. He's some alien who came and brought the theatons to Earth, okay, and he's like their God and there was like so heating, the God of all the millions of things that are you, I guess. I guess. He says, okay, great, there was this there was this volcano that erupted in the universe that broke everything. Like it's just ridiculous. Yeah, the only reason we know about this is one because lea remedy talked about it. But before that, somehow, I don't know how this happened, but somehow someone leaked this information to South Park, like the run of the South Park, and they made an episode about it. So South Park is the only reason why this is public information. They don't want it to be public and they're really mad that South Park leaked it. But you know, but what? The South Park has an episode about Scientology and it's certainly point scientology. You got to be like, no, they're all aliens. It's making I mean they I'm sure they're vilifying, oh, a hundred percent. And so, I mean that's that's the thing is like it's so propagandized. So they had this belief, like the people who follow Scientology, like they believe Alan Hubbard had this glorious military career and the governments covering it up because they don't want you to know, because they're aliens. They say the same thing with psychiatry, like the psychology, psychology, psychology stuff. Their aliens trying to cover it up and like everybody outside who's always belittling and trying to tear it down, like they're the aliens trying to keep us away from dynetics, because that's going to save humanity and as send us to this higher level of consciousness and being that scientology affords the human race or whatever. Sure they even believe, they actually believe that Outroun Hubbard still alive, and so they believe. What happened was he was making all this ground we think he's a hundred eleven years old. Well, here's the he was making all this groundwork in his studies and he realized a certain point, he's in my body's holding me back, so he left his body and ascended to Ze News plane where he can continue doing research at Zen's planning. He's going to return and take all the scientologists with him to see news plane, because they spend enough money on it and they genuinely believe this, like because they're I mean, it's propaganda, like their brainwashed. I believe that he ascended to a Margarita Ville in the sky and from there has returned in the body of Pete Davidson and I will follow him for all of my days. So here's the thing. There's been a lot of legal controversies. They did have taxes and status for a long time. They ended up getting it revoked because they're making too much profit to be a tax event organization. There's a certain point, there's a certain threshold where your profits are too high and you can't be a nonprofit anymore. What level was that, though, because I don't know. They exceeded it because, like what's the yeah, I mean, like there's a lot of very fair. I was like, there's a lot of very lucrative, like big Ronnie things moving. Yeah, so they exceeded that somehow and they started getting a lot of sorts. I don't think they can be solely relying on the hundred thousand, like you know, like the are the celebrity man people they've got it. Some people that are going into debt. Yeah, like to do this as well. But there's a Saudi prince who spending fifty fivezero a month micro transactions. They started getting all these legal trouble. He actually got arrested in France. Well, he didn't get arrested, he got convicted and sentenced to prison in France, but he never went to France. To France, he's just like, I'm not going there anymore, and they were like yeah, well, if you do, yeah, if you come over here, we're gonna put you in jail. He's like, well, I just won't go there. Were you? You better to come out over we gotta do restaurant. We opened up last week. Yeah, you're a lot of dialectics. We got we serve Sandra Buscheta brand, just trink Jeez, new plates called Imperio. In theory. You love it, but swear you. Yeah, I got, you gotta come over here. Yeah, we, we. I don't know how French people sound. Oh my gosh, so so, because they were facing so much legal trouble. He started the Sea Org, and the sea org is all those boats he had, right, he just moved the headquarters of scientology to the ocean. Je and so it's just floating on the ocean. Is the headquarters. Now they are exempt from every all lock because their maritime and they're not a real thing anymore. I guess. If you're on the ocean long enough you don't exist. Are you telling me SCIENTOLOGIES RUN BY PIRATES? I mean yes, in very simple terms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so he's spent the rest of his life floating. And then he did come back to land at one point in I think Florida, and they started the land base. I could be wrong on where that's located, but I think it's. It likes you. Hey, you can't do that here, that's a guest lot. He's like, no, I'm at the sea. This sea world's sea world, like, I mean, he's got us there. That's I mean, that's not he's maritime. Live does and so l Ron and say Amo, they moves. The whale. She moved. Get it? I didn't. You know. FRAPP soups funny bro So. So he died with he died according to us, according to reality, he would have died when he was seventy four, which puts his death not eighty five. Huh. Hold on, there is way too much credentials on his wikipedia page. Eighty six, January, twenty four, one thousand nine hundred and eighty six. Okay, and so see, no, he died in California, but yeah, and so scientology. I mean he's the thing. They've taken advantage of a lot of people and there's a lot of legal like tax evasion stuff, like fraud stuff, and even a lot of like harassment and a lot of abuse, all kinds of abuse. Pick pick a prefixed to abuse. They've done it and they've been convicted. Around Hubbard, actually, a lot of his ot eight members, when he was alive, had been convicted of federal crimes and went to prison because he would literally convince people to go to government offices and like set them on fire and like do crazy stuff, because he had such a like a choke hold on these people, like convincing them that those are the aliens who are trying to keep us from what's good. And so they were like all, this is like a rebellion, but how is it still going? While some some guy took his place, was it wasn't just like his like next in command or his next of kin. I guess it wasn't his son, but just some guy that was like the number his number two person, I guess while he was alive, took over it. Try to remember his name. What he's googling. President and Scientology, scientology, president of Scientology, bicephs. David Ms Gavage, okay, is the leader now and he was like his his number two man during during his his era, and so is he's in? He is he out at sea? They have a land base that they operate out of and then they put the call work land, or I'm pretty sure they call it land base. I'm like, AH, pretty sure. How big is the sea work us? Are a picture of it? Yeah, let me see, it's what I picture is like, you know, battleship and the aircraft carrier. I imagine them on an aircraft carrier. Yeah, it's not that. So it's like a big old yacht. Okay, almost more like a cruise ship, like a crusis probably better way to describe it. And what they do is like a lot of teenagers will work the ship and that's a way for them to ascend to like an ot level early without spending all the money, and so they can get a lot of kids in here like a youth group and get them to jump levels quickly and brainwash them young on the board the ship. Do you want to pretend to be high schoolers and join the sportunity high schoolers? What? I say, we're too poor. Well, no, they do it. It's like a youth program. You have to be young. Okay. Do you want to ascend to the sixth dimension and jump timelines when we're younger and then go? Would you send your kid? What if your kid came home one day? It was like great opportunity, I have this really lucrative opportunity about to go sail the eight. CE'S HOLD ON. What was that class for you to say, what's the eighth? Tell you more about the eighth. Well, I can't because they haven't let me open that brief case yet. I got to get to time sethree what is this deal or no deal? You open the brief case. Yeah, what are you talking about? Oh my God. So so a lot of celebrities have bought into it, because that's their strategy, most notably Tom Cruise. Laws going to say John Travolta, Tom Cruise and John Travolta. Just to think it's okay, Cook. But speaking of those things, then what's the whole thing about no medication and no, Oh yeah, you're not supposed to take any of that stuff because that is ours for aliens to right. Yep, YEP, and they're trying to keep you from clear. So and so you won't make getting they got vaccinated. Were probably not. I'm just gonna say, pass a good gold of sea water every morning. So they wrote a book called he wrote a book called rounded. Did excaliber ever get released? Is that what they're basing all the stuff off of? Nope, and so that's that's like kind of what they say is like, you send it high enough, you get to read ex caliber. That's why I'm saying do we gotta get in this? And so he read a book just out of curiosity. I'll give my life way to a cult just for the curiosity of it. He wrote a book called Battlefield Earth late in his life out on Hubby run John. It's his only book that has ever been published into a movie and starring John Travolta and l Ron Hubbard. Oh wait, no, it's not. He was dead. Okay, it's gonna say I was interested. Now I've seen this one it's Jon Droolta movie where that baby talks. No, it's him and said actress. His name? Do you know? Talk about the movies literally called? Look who's talking? It's Bruce Willis as a baby. Oh, he's not, he's not. It's not his face. It's a baby. But Bruce. Well, his voice the Moose voiceover, and they didn't. She didn't do animation then. So the mouth isn't moving and it's just the baby's thoughts. Right, let's where's the baby talking? Maybe he's not talking. It's the baby's thoughts. Yeah, this is worse. Okay, so this is actually like lots of critics has said this is the worst film ever made. It's got a three percent. Watch it. Yeah, I feel like we should. When was it? It came out in two thousand. So this is still like. You know, John Travolta has got a career. I'm sure you've probably seen this cover. It's John Travolta on the cover. He's the main the main guy, and it's famously bad here. It is what she might have seen. I mean I remember this coming out. Nobody liked it pretty bad. Take back the planet. Yeah, and there's Johnny. This is still during his like career, though. Yeah, it was. Yeah, like, it's not like it's coming out now. No, yeah, that was when that was peaked John Travolta and he was like I'm going to use this. Wow, that's rough. Yeah, yeah, pretty bad. So we walk wall. We have to watch it. Yeah, it too. I mean like, no, I watched that. Really, did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's they're making another one this year. Really, yeah, it's the whole Disney has the whole area of it and the guys like it. D Right. Yeah, yeah, James Cameron spent a lot of time on it. This was the Prequel, Prequel to Avatar. Yeah, then Avatar came out, this pretty cool worst movie ever made. Avatar best movie ever made. You think avatars the best movie we were made? Well, I made the most money for a little while. It was the most profitable for a little while. That's until it wasn't again. You know, they're making four more of them. Yeah, I know, it's ridiculous, crazy. Anyway. Same thing with battlefield earth. Yeah, give for Basil Earth Five, that'll field there take actually three. Keep Earth back. I think we need to we need to fiddle off the said things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Bet. Social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.


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M Theory – A Look At String Theory and Other Dimensions

04-12-22

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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of in theory? In theory, yeah, or like the Eleventh Dimension? Oh well, you change it up there. I was going to say m theory. Is that rapper, right, he's the white rapper and the name is in theory. If fits, I knew it did. It is. I'm not an idiot. And then I'm glad that you throwed it in and then you look surprised that it fit. I am surprised that it fits, I know, but I was just three steps ahead of you on that. That felt pretty good for me. Actually, you were three dimensions ahead of me. I was the eleventh dimension. The eleventh that's that Christian punk band, right, I'm thinking. I let him make sense. Oh, the Eleventh Dimension, Eleven dimension. Yeah, this sounds like an alien thing. It's actually not. There's literally nothing. Well, actually, I guess there is. Yep, all right, roll it the TRASHIESTI TV's. Here's my thought on the whole. Pete Davidson, that's what this is why your wife doesn't listen to this podcast. CORNEY's favorite color, no jokes, was paige. As like, are you getting me? Your favorite color is base about Baige? Dude, okay, I've got opinion. Can't wait to the comments one day, say the fat one in the ball. One things I learned last night. I really thought that there was nothing to do with the aliens, but I guess they're I guess technically will get there. I guess technically that's a little alien E. Yeah, unintentionally, I'm going to be honest, I literally came into this being like, Oh, there's no alien content this week. In theory. In theory. Yeah, theory sounds like it's like a fancy restaurant in downtown. You know, hey, welcome to in theory, they whisper to you. Yeah, freaking why you come into like it's the as of our restaurant. Oh my gosh, dude, reservation. What? Welcome to him theory. I noticed you booked our experience. Can You? It's like a special like a special experience that they do. Okay, but speak. Okay. Have you watch the movie about time? No, because there's a restaurant they go to, not to go on to metange. If you haven't seen about time, will play the whole movie. Here's the whole movie. No, they go to a restaurant that's completely dark. Oh yeah, and like you just get guided in and all the lights are off and I kind of really want to. Bree really wants to go to one of these. Yeah, it does. One of us just wanted to see. I think there's one in case, because we almost went once, I think, or maybe it was when we were in vegas that we almost went. What's it called? The blind side? Every waitress is like hi, I'm Sandra, I'll be here serf. What you guys like to get? An I'll be your stepmom today. Oh, what's the guy's last name? Alex. do you think we need to cut that out? You're taking a note, like you think we did. It's a funny that's a funny bit. What's The guy's name? My Michael. Michael's gonna Bother me. It's like it's got an Oh, it's Michael, Oh, Michael, or yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm cool. Or anyways. Yeah, that seems cool. What you guys like to see? Our Beer Menu? I feature drink is the Michael Ure, old true and our feature to advertiser is the SOD roppertsheadow. That's where I was trying to do. I was trying to do food things. Anyway, we can look at up later. Great. So in theory sounds like a fancy restaurant. What is it actually? So it's a like it's a subset of string theory, which do you know what string theory is? Yeah, it's a string cheese restaurant. Yes, sound yeah, and Spaghetti noodles. It's you got Spaghetti at that? They just covered and strange cheeseus like some they're what if that's what all our gardens carry around them? A little crank thing? It's the brand with that dude. He's got the head. That's like feeling apart. It's stupid. It's a stupid we have to do an episode. Yeah, that's right. Okay. So in theory it's like a subset of string theory, specifically looking at the geometry of the universe. Go and so string theory, really quick gloss basically the idea is that the universe is made up of really, really tiny, microscopic strings and the strings are connected and everything is a vibration of the string. So we're basically just like a giant cosmic guitar and everything that happens it is just a little vibration of those little tiny strings and there's super small. They're like a millionth of a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of US centimeter. So like like if if the entire observable universe was an atom. Yeah, then at these strings, according to string theory, are like the size of a tree. So they're incredibly tiny. That just connect everything in the universe. It's a theory. I don't know. Did you mean that reversed? If the universe was the size of a tree? Nothing, sighs. Of Know, if the if an atom was our entire universe, the size of the entire observable universe, not like not our galaxy, but the entire everything we know that exists. Yeah, then these strings are the size of like a tree. So there's super small. They're way smaller than Adams. Okay, yes, you recent. Yeah, so they're dinky, puny, little baby tiny strings, like little baby sad, stinky winky string. This is exactly how tim talks about me when I don't want to come to the office when it snows. He literally is goes all you're like a little baby. That's like straight up what he says in our group text. It's yeah, a little baby boy. I look a little baby boy. I'M gonna call you a little string string tree. Go ahead, yeah, very tiny, microscopic. Yeah, little strings connect everything, and part of string theory explains like the dimensions of the known universe. BASIC HE IM theory takes that idea and takes it a little deeper. And so I guess technically part of this we will go over the dimensions listed out by string theory, but we're also going to go a little further into m theory dimension as well. Okay, so we starts like what are we going to spart speaking English? This is like bad bath and beyond. We're and we're going to be on. We're going to beyond. Got It. I don't think we're going to speak much English today. Actually, the beginning we might. So. So let's start with dimension zero. That's what they call it. Zero, thh dimensions zero. Yeah, so by the beginning, did you mean the word dimension? That was worth about English. And then in the beginning and then you're like dimension. Well, yeah, yeserotion zero. All right, go ahead, it's the zero dimension. Okay, how else would you say that? Zero? Zero, or zero ord zero wind, zero roast, Zeroth. It's that's the most why your wife doesn't listen to this podcast. Okay, so it's a we know dimensions. Right, here's we're going to go through the first three really quick. We're just going to GE hit the first three real quick, actually the first four. Oh, zero, first, second and third dimension all right here on the screen. If you're listening, look at the screen. So here's the idea. I see you were saying so literally, we're doing like D, D, D, that we're talking about dimensions. Yeah, and so, so D is a cube. Yes, to D is a square. Yes, one D is just two lines next to each other. Yeah, and zero is just a point. Yep. And so the concept, I'm with. You know. The concept is with every dimension you're just doubling the amount of points that you have. So Zeros, the one point, one D, You have two points too. These four D is eight points, and then you're connecting on the lines. Right. Okay, which sidebar? Have you ever heard of the Book Flatland? I like just thought of this. I didn't research this. No, is that where Flat Stanley lives? No, it's not. It's called back to an episode where we described to flast Stanley to you. Did you yep? Well, I'd clearly didn't remember. You must not have done a great job pick I pick up on. Man, are you we're gonna do something screen not? I was looking like you're about to. No, I just wanted to look at Oh, flatlands. Yeah, so flatland. It's a book from one thousand eight hundred and eighty four, okay, and it's a book where it's this group of I don't know what to describe them, shapes. What? It's a good start, I guess. Okay, so this world, it's a D world, okay, right, and all the shapes are let me see, the VC is written storm Chok Zone, the NICKELODEON class. That might be based off of it, but it was like an it's so in flatland there was a series of shapes. The shapes were the gentleman, I'm looking at this right. Have you read fly land? It's been a long time. I read it in high school. I read in geometry class in high school. My High School geometry teachers thought it was super cool, and it kind of is. But the shapes are the gentleman, and the women were just lines, because the women were actually three dimensional objects, but the shapes couldn't perceive all three dimensions and so the men were only two dimensional objects. They couldn't perceive the third dimensions of the thought the women were all just lines, but really they were spheares and cubes and things like that, and so because they couldn't see everything, they just saw them as just a single line. And so it was like it was. It was like a narrative on the cast system. Yeah, like the Victorian Society and how certain people only see certain pieces of everything, but really there's more. It's like how on Tick Tock, I posted about me and Ray and one of the comments was said, how did he pull that? And I responded probably by not referring to women as that. If I had that sile. Yes, if you want that, then that's step one. That's step one, I think. So okay, so flat lands was that was a tangent that you went on. It's interesting, though. Okay, so where do we go from d? Okay, so the concept is with with every dimension, okay, you have full range within your dimension and forward momentum within the following dimension. So if you are in zero, you're a point. You can't go anywhere because you have only place you could go is one d because you would need another point. Yeah, but within that you're literally just being propelled forward, and so you're following. Your whole dimension is moving forward down one d down a one day line. Okay, One d you can move forward and backward down the one D line, but you can't move left or right or up or down, whichever I mean. I guess in Video Games it's always up or down. You can't move left or right and video games, but it's arbitrary. What into D Video Games? Oh, you're two dimensional because you can move forward and backwards, up and down, yes, but you can't move left or right. Oh, you're talking. I like Ni like Super Mario Brothers. Yeah, yeah, so you have two dimensions that you can move in. Pac Man is a d game. Okay, to d back. Man's a good example because you're looking from top down. So in pact man you can go forward backward, left and right, but you can't go up and down. And Pact Man, where Maria, you can go forward, backward, up and down, but you can't go left or right because you're in different sets of the twodimensional world sures that makes sense. Yeah, so, except for impact man, you're literally whatever. I'M gonna I'm gonna let that one go. You think you're looking down on PAC man. Yeah, you're looking down to PAC man's face opens like this. Yes, as I reolutely, and you think the ghosts are just like this. We tire all. You are a hundred percent. What do you think? What do you think? PAC man's in an ant hill. Yeah, and you're looking at this. Ain't he'll pack men? Yeah, see, that kind of makes like Dick taking, chasing these ants around, these ghosts, ants. Okay, got a IT'S DANCE NAS. That's what that's. What nats are. Is Ghost, a inst real tree. Will quick look up gain on urban dictionary. Oh yeah, sometimes we say words we make up and then you gotta be like, are we say anything inappropriate? An accident? That's a real fear of mine as we get old, because now we're old right, and one of us is balding, it's you. If one of if it's gonna be one of us, it's going to be you, is it? Yeah, well, I can't wait to the comments one day. Say The fat one in the ball one. Are we good? Yeah, so ganting is looking up words on urban dictionary and comparing them over the computer late at night with a friend because you're bored. So we're kind of DIK ganting. We're ganting right now. Thing, right now, look at us. You got a good gant to you. Oh God, Um, is our whole podcast just a ganter? anyways, the things other than last night. What you take a Ganter with us? Hey, do you like our show? Want to help us keep doing it? One of the easiest ways to do that is to sport our merchandise. We're out in the wild. Tell all your friends. They'll be like, what is total loan, and you'll have to explain what this dumb show is. To get access to our exclusive merchandise. Please text tellent to six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. Thank you so much for your help. Started to mention you add that third right direction. What's interesting is what is forty? Okay, so forty. That's when you like go to Disneyland and they shoot stuff in your eyes while you're watching the movie. We can't do anything because you refuse to talk about the topic. So the fourth dimensions time. Well, this is a great picture. Oh Boy, so you're doubling it. So you not have sixteen points, and I've actually seen this illustrated a couple ways. So you have it illustrated like this, where it's two boxes next to each other and you're kind of like diagonal from each other and the lines are connecting diagonally and that's time. That's time. or I've seen it also illustraight like this, and this is called the tesseract. And so it's basically a cube within a cube and then the diagonals are connecting of the two cubes. Okay, this, yeah, but the idea is that, just like in the other dimensions, like you can if you're in zero, you can only go forward in one d. If you're in one D, You can only go forward in to D D only four thirty. So for US D we can only go forward in time. We can't go we don't have Omni Directional movement within forty. We're stuck because our whole dimension is moving forward in time. I want to know if you're listening. The face that you're making right now is also the face that I'm making right now where we're like I'm just like, okay, so the idea, whatever dimension you're in, you have full range of movement within that dimension, whatever that range of movement allow. Sure. So for us, for the three dimensional, we have X, Y Z planes which means we can go forward, backward, left, right, up down in that whole dimension. But the entire dimension you're in is always moving forward in the following dimension. So we're always moving forward in time. I'm really drying here, man. So, but we're but we can't. We don't have control. We don't know, we don't have control over time. We don't have multidirection. We can. I see what you're saying. Yeah, so we're stuck just moving forward in time. But we were in for we have some level of autonomy within the third dimension, but in the fourth dimension we are at the mercy of its constraints on us. Yes, we're at the mercy of the fact that the entire third dimension is just going forward in time. Fourth Dimension. Got It, okay. And so if we were fourth dimension, we could go forward in time or we could go backward in time or we could just kind of sit still in time. Yeah, well, we can't, we can't. Yeah, unfortunately, none of this is real. So, okay, is made up. I mean it is a theory. But and so in the fourth dimension you kind of you view time as a plane, uh Huh, and there's the forward, the backward, the right here and instead of only moving forward, you have the ability to kind of go whatever direction in time. So time becomes a little bit more like space, like you can conspect conceptualize it like you might conceptualize space. For sure. Way You're able to move around space here. Yeah, maybe this will help. I'm going to pull up a picture of an apple. It won't. You pull a picture of an apple. I hope that it's not. I hope that you changed it to I felt it in your in your laugh is that you had a graph pulled up for an apple and then you just looked up a different apple. Like I felt that happened. I felt you like had a chart that would actually explain it, and then you said, I'm going to pull a picture for an apple and you went to Google images and you just googled apple and you're going to put it up there and it's not going to explain it. I felt that happened. So if we can go ahead and skip that part, like carry will laugh. But another Ah, there's an apple on the screen. Now for where the chart that's going to make sense? I'M gonna pull it up. I know you did. I wasn't gonna do this, but I feel like it would help make sense of all of this. Okay, I don't think well, frank I can't find a Graf of I'm gonna look, I'm gonna keep looking. I'm going to explain this to you while I look. Then okay, okay, so f be like you explain it while yeah, why don't you explain? So you can't? Okay, I'll just pull it up. We'll cut to it. Okay, that's fine. We leave all this part in. So we're about to cut to it right now. So we've got the scale here ready. So this is not an apple, it's just a sphere, because they find it with an apple. But here's a sphere. Okay. So the idea here is you have a d object of the sphere at the top right. If you're listening, I'M gonna do my best to explain to see, but you might want to just go back and watch because it's going to be hard. So you have that gray or that beige line. Yes, by the way, yesterday Brie was watching the Kardat keeping up with the Kardashians. I just have to get this off my chest. And there are playing. Your wife Watches that stuff. She hasn't in years. Literally like yesterday. I was like I've literally as long as I've known her, like even before marriage, she hasn't watched it. She watched it in high school, I guess way she started that before you guys got married. She was like no video games in the house, but she was like, you know, what's fine is for me to watch just the trashiest of TV's. Here's my thought on the whole Pete Davidson thing. Orright, I've got some hot takes. I've got hot takes. I do okay, I hate that you looked at me like, Oh, you're gonna do a tenor right now. You're on. I still like Oh. This guy was like thank you, gonna be so quick. I was like this is a good thing. You took it on the side. Let me drink. I don't think him, Kardashian, is like actually dating Pete Davidson. I think the isn't it weird that keep me up with the Kardashians is doing brain new episodes on Hulu right in the middle of them being constantly in the headlines over Kanye and Kim's beef and all this stuff with Pete Davidson? Kim's very smart. She's so it's Kanye. Yeah, I think days were. Like you think that they're twenty million dollar move? Yeah, let's just get in on TV and break up and get back together after the seasons over. Why wouldn't they? I mean, I guess that's if your entire life is a showing. This is sending Pete to space. So like it. We're showing him to yeah, he's gonna go on the next version orbit trip. Did you not see that? He's going to space. Yeah, he's going to space. Wow, that sucks. So worked out for both of them, I guess. Is that when you wow? anyways, here's the he was the beef I had. They're playing some family game night thing and courtney it was like its like, what's your favorite color, and then like everyone had to likes light on the board. What they think it was courtney's favorite color. No joke. Was Beige, as like, are you kidding me? Your favorite colors, Babe, about Baige? Dude, okay, I've got opinions. Serious, you're gonna let having your lights. You're gonna like it. I got invited to a wedding. I'm a family member of mine and I love this family member, but also that her favorite colors bages just so people watch the show. This season, the twenty milliondollar favorite color. Well, it got her to space, didn't it? Anyway, shut up for a second. So I gottam this wedding and it's a monochromatic wedding. They sent a color scheme that you're supposed to wear on the color stand. that the color. It was a bag. It's Beige Timothy's. Can you believe this? Horse Crap? I gotta go to all age. What I don't look I'm I don't. I'm gonna look like it just a big blob of skin. I'm gonna wear sin color shop pull shirtless. You told me that I'm in the color scheme. All right. They sent like a literal like color scheme. It's like white to like the like Light Tan, and I'm like, well, I fiss. That's so annoying. Yeah, anyways, UN those are a little darker and they one to get. Just clean over him. I don't know why you're doing it. Don't make a color scheme for your wedding. All right, I don't know what home whatever. Go ahead. So you'll notice in this image more word Greens. This is what their wedding pictures look like. I know we're done too many tangents, but honestly, anybody who's actually interested in in the theory did not make it this far. Yeah, so these guys don't know what they talk about. People who are interested in our podcast, many of them have not made it as far. All right, some people were like this is just not our episode much. So there's there's a beige plane, right, and so if you exist in d you see this plane and you see this sphere. I'm actually hear the example of what flat lands look like. So yeah, so if you exist in the second dimension, this is what you're seeing. You see this beige plane and then you just see this gray or this Green Line just appear out of nowhere as there starts to move through the plane and as it moves through you notice it's wider. Yeah, it's changing space because it's the sphere to slowly moving through and then you see it eventually disappear out of the plane. So if a sphere moves through two dimensional space, right, what three? What people into dimensional space it sees is mindboggling. They see this thing just a pew out of nowhere, shape shift a whole bunch and disappear when in reality, all it was as a sphere just moving through their plane. Sure, and a totally normal, natural d movement in two dimensional space is mind boggling. Sphere moving through a plane is also what I call people in the sea boarding group from southwest, you know, down to like it's down the middle seats and it's just people get on the plane and you're like, I don't, I don't want that person to sit in this middle seat because there's not room. You know, I'm sorry about I can say that I've been that person. Did you know? I used to have to have the seatbelt connector on flights? Really and yeah, that and yeah, you forget I was large. I don't forget now. Yeah, I keep all your fat pictures framed in my office. What I got a few pictures of my wall. You want to see him? I keep them just in case. You ever it's a good grass. Ever time I see you like on my hey man, see you get a little pudgy lately. Yeah, let me show this to you. It we remembered. That works. That works for me, just so you know. Well, maybe I'll get some printed. Hey kinks, who are you printing? anyways? At kink goes that. You're old dude and I cant goes. It's called Fedex office now. Yeah, been called Fedex Office for like fifteen years. Shut up, okay, whatever. Well, were we talking about? Oh yeah, so if this were to happen in our world, if something that was ahead of d dimensions, four, five, six, whatever, passed throughout a mention, it would be a mind bogging thing to experience as it moved through, because it would appear as if this thing, it would be an anomaly, it would be something that didn't make sense. YEA, or it would be as if it appeared, I don't know, also only see part of it shape shifted and then, yeah, we would only see a small piece of it at a time and it would appear as if it's shape shifting, changing, and then I would just disappear. And so we would we would be shook, to say the least. Yeah, you would see that and you'd say probably you would go a skin walker. Yeah, I mean that. That's yeah, so let's move on to the fifth mission. Okay, I listened to that, that cut that one of our patrons did, of of the tilling, but only the like educational spot. Yeah, part on the way here and it made me sound like an insane person. Yeah, because I literally was like I would go. Honestly, it's probably very similar to what it is now. Yes, because it's just like me just interrupting my own trust train of thought to try not to save my jokes right and then cutting back and saying the SAK. If you don't know one of our patron supporters, who which one did the hoot? Damn daily man. I think let me have as much are what is? What? What's that person's remain? I think it's Daniel King. I'm not positive. I know everybody from us. The that is a downside of the of the discord is is everyone's got. There is. I just go, which supporter is this? We weren't you anyway. It was Danily Man. Dan, I'm sure in the discord channel made a cut of our podcast. Which episode did he do? He did. Let me scroll up real quick and I'll find it. You just listen to it this morning. It's six to rodders. Your brain can't comprehend six times up to is two hours ago. So he did an episode of six over. I we guess where he cut out all these tangents and all these parts where we're like Beige. He cut all that out. So it's just the information of the episode, which is a really cool thing and something that we hope to do for our entire catalog. For whenever you show this to somebody and they're like these two are idiots. Yeah, then you can just show them the part where word he called it. He called it tilling, but only the things I actually learned last night, or tilling by tilly. Aileen got it. If you want joy a discord, you can supports on. Patrear. Thanks for doing that. Telling text till into six, six three, six six, sixty eight, six six, six, six, six, six, save three is just eight in the second dimension, so the fifth dimension. So this is this is where it goes from being like Oh, this makes a little bit of sense to absolute nonsense. And we got six more to go. Yeah, we do. So here's here's the idea. So everything past this point is sub atomic. The idea is that before the Big Bang there were all look, the four forces of our universe. When you're I so much, would just do the episode of please, electromagnetism, gravity and the weak and the strong nuclear forces. It's gonna leave it at the weekend, the strong universe, l remainosing gravity in the week and the strong sad little baby boys, and then the strong guys, also known as the Alphas, in the bays. I'm sorry when you said it those, it really the weak and the strong. What? And so the weekend strong nuclear forces. Okay. And so before the Big Bang there was this extreme temperatures that held all these together really close. Yes, and then they had the great divorce, love of God in the Sun and Spirit. Yeah, and then the fourth one that we don't hear about, the dimensions. When the Big Bang happened, they broke apart. The first four remained perceptible to us, but the remaining six, seven, if you subscribe to m theory, do not, because they're hyperdimensions in their curling in on themselves, basically like collapsing. Okay. And so this is the world we're journeying, journeying into now. Right are these other dimensions that are similar but difficult to kind of. So how will we get to a dimension? I don't know. Portal, I don't know. I don't think there's any idea that it's possible. Okay, okay, at least for us at least for us as D beings. If you were, if you existed in a higher dimension, there is a way you could move. But you this is very similar to the scale, kardoship scale, relatively yeah, relatively for as movements go. So I got one more picture to show you, because after this point it gets stokers. Yeah, so here is the fifth dimension. Wow, I was really surprised. That's an actual chart. I thought you were about to pull a prank. I thought you were about to pull a funny and do so we got in a strong guy. Yeah, no, so now there's that picture of me Christ thing. You could have put it. I've already done that. That's funny. That's what I thought was about to pop up. Honestly, wasn't a picture. So you see here on the left, that's another rendering of the four dimension. The fourth dimension. Okay, so it's the same concept. Is What we saw before. Sure, sixteen points connected by the red signifies time. Yeah, the red is the the fourth dimension is yet those red yeah, but I'm saying like they're that's not okay. Yeah, so so does that is what you needed. Actual loder point. Moving to that corner point, here's what you need to do to look at this, get rid of the reds, okay, and what you're going to see is you're going to see two square, two cubes up to each other. Yeah, and then the reds are connecting the two cubes in the five dimensions. What you now have is you have four cubes that are like interlocked with each other and the reds are connecting those four keeps. So those now, instead of what would be sixteen points, there's thirty two points in the fifth dimension. Okay, and so anything pass this point becomes incredibly difficult to visualize, because, honestly, this point is difficult to visualize. I'm glad you said that. Yeah, I agree. I mean, there's people listening that can't see this, but if you're if you're here, if you're listening, people watch, you can't see. Yeah, if you're listening, just picture a square, turn that into a cube, add another cube, connect the dots at another cue, connect the dots at another cube, connect the dots and if you're confused, then that's what it looks like. So there you go. We got it. Okay, so I'm not going to show you any more because they can start to get really complicated. But basically, the ideas. Every time you're doubling. So the next time I said of thirty, two hundred sixty four, and then and then after that, one hundred and twenty eight, and so on and so forth. Sure, so these get much more complicated and right confluted. But within the fifth dimension, this is where you start to see the parallel universe thing play out. So there is because you have extra cubes, I guess. If you roll your dice and you have two dice, you have two dice. If you roll the dice for dice. Yeah, yeah, if you roll the die is dice, is plural dice. So you have to dice. If you take some dice, you roll the dice right, two dice equals one world. For dice equals two worlds. That's everyone knows that. With grass, everyone knows. Everyone knows that. Okay, these two DIS yeah. So sure, the idea here, and I'm going to be honest, everything at this point. Like I can understand the geometry, like doubling the points. That makes sense. Like Im for a part where you understand any of this. I understand the doubling the points. I'm like, okay, if hey, every dimension, your doubling points that makes sense. I'm going to be honest, though, everything past time, like the attributes that they assign this, seem absolutely arbitrary to me. Hey, maybe I don't understand it. Yeah, I did just learn this last night and I'm unqualified to know anything about this, but it does seem very arbitrary. But basically, the idea is that in the fifth dimension there's another world identical to our world, right and but there are noticeable differences between the world's because they have the same beginning point. But these world different our comes. Yeah, they any there's circumstances that change the way that they unfall. So you and I might be in that world, but instead of things other than that's night, there's things I learn this morning because I was a bit more of a procrastinator in that world. Maybe there's another world where it's things I learned while getting my doctor degree, because I'm actually intelligent in that world. But I don't know. I mean sure there's all these places that don't exist. Yeah, there's all these possibilities. Six dimension. It's this, it's you. You're doubling to the sixty four balanced, you're dialing to the sixty four points. But now there's just a bunch of worlds, and so you can see all the different possible futures, all the different possible pasts, and they're stemming. Like you haven't watched the new marvel stuff, you don't know this. This is kind of his brother, but not really. They have a timeline and they show these risks coming off the timeline of like different possible scenarios. Right, that can happen, and so the ideas, that's the same thing. You have the timeline and there's all these branches coming off the timeline of all the possible things. And so if you're six dimensional being, you could perceive not only all of time within your own timeline, but all the time within other worlds and all the possible possibilities for those. Yeah, Spider Web, that's what I would like to do. My anxiety tries to do that all the time. These still how can I? My anxiety tries to be like, okay, if we do this, it could you know, and then you spiral out of yeah, Yep, that's probably was really similar to like and for people in the six dimension. Yeah, seventh dimension is a hundred and twenty eight points. Yes, I only know this because it two thousand and forty eight. Oh, yeah, and so, but in this one, hold on, I'm I gonna double check the sixth dimension. Okay, yeah, so in the seventh dimension, this one, it gets it's even more variable, because the beginning point can change, and so instead of everything coming from the Big Bang everything, they could have came from other starting points, and so then you can start to see things change a lot more, like forces of nature could be different, gravity could be different, the speed of light could be different, all this stuff could be different because they had different starting points at different events that made up the beginning. Okay, feels very arbortuary to me. Dimension Eate, this one is where you are now, almost outside of everything, and so all pasts and futures and presidents and spaces are showcased in front of your eyes simultaneously and they stretched infinitely, and so you you're you're experiencing everything at once, because there's a lot of it. I don't know, I'm gonna be outest okay, it doesn't make sense. The the what? What? What people say? Why are people fearizing? Because it's their jobs. I don't like to just think. I wish people would just stop. And so the other this point again. This is where all his careers. It's like is it a career? How do you get a job? And being like just making stuff up, like well, I mean, like, you know, this seems like what we would do in fourth grade. Yeah, we're like, well, and then that to mean that person could even see, like, you know, in that place, instead of Pepperoni, we we use chairs on our BEAZZA. We we're justs are we don't have teeth, we have DSL canons. He's full in our mouths. Yeah, can we just keep chairs? And it's like, I guess that's a theory. It s you can think about that. You could. You could think about it. I guess to think about that. No, it's gonna tell you get the you're shot to work. Man. Let's say, like literally, you just show up the work. If you're a theorist and you're space out at work, your boss is like what have you been thinking about? I don't know, Oh, I'm just doing like you space out, like at work. You're just like you know, I hey, no, theorizing on the clock. We'll only do yeah, wait, you need a vacation. You need to were working over time. We're not paying for that. I'm saying like, what do you do? You sit down at your job, at your desk, and then you just go, hmm, what I like to think about today? You gotta take notes, though. That's the thing is is everybody theorizes, but the people who take detailed notes those are theorists. Okay, yeah, anyways, so the intimational nerds that it's a mention. Here's what's here's what's interesting about the eighth dimension. Yeah, for some reason, don't really know why, but for some reason the physical world just kind of disappears at this point and you become kind of ethereal, phase through things and you yeah, you don't have any constraints, or yeah, nothing matters. I guess at this point the ninth dimension, it's sends to mension. They're more exaggerating forms of this. You just kind of get past all the laws of physics. You have infinite forms of self, everything that exists. You're part of that thing that exists. And so basically what the theorist says, the ten dimension is God's dimension. He's in there because he's the president. He sees all timelines, he sees all possibilities, he's not contrained, constrained by sure constrained by any of space or physical are any. So they're there, theorizing. And yet had you married somebody different and had you know, because the children that you and bree have will be named stupid things like what are you guys in ny? Stupid kids like April and whatever, all right, and June, June and Julie, December, December, your name a kid, December. Yeah, stupid, he just named with over the month Yor born in you just prayed or twains either. Remember. Yeah, anyway, remember, remember, that Kid's name is December. Yeah, if you do that for your one child anyway, you're one kid anyway. So you know you got December right, but God, in this ten dimension, could also see had you married somebody else and had a different kid. Yeah, well, see, they're entirely it's funny you brought this up because when I watch the video of this guy explaining this this morning, actually while was eating breakfast, because I why, I read about this last night I fell asleep in my bed, that thing where your phone falls on your face because you're bored and probably tired, but bored. So I was watching. I warn my phone. My face went board. Sometimes I'm just like I get up and go across the room to get my phone. So poor, and then I just the tooth. So I was watching this eterials on the couch this morning and the guy is explaining as kid milk, yeah, Skim Milk, the fifth dimension, and he was explaining it by saying, okay, imagine if you're in the fifth dimension. Well, if you're in the fourth dimension, you have control over time. You can go board and backwards in time, and so say you're at point one, he called a t one, that's right now, and you're looking back at potto where you made the decision to get married. He said you could make the decision to go backwards in time in the fourth dimension and tell yourself not to make that decision and then go go back forward with your time, make the decision to marry someone else and move through that time, because you can go whatever direction you want in time. But if you're telling yourself, that means the of those timelines exist. And that's what he bought up, because then in the fifth dimension what really happened is you told yourself not to get married and then you went back to time, but that other version of you created a branch and so you have a branch where you you married that, that same person, but and then one you still have to suffer and die with the decision you made. Yes, yeah, I mean and then he went he went to six he went to the sixth dimension. In the sixth dimension, though, there's a short cuts. In the sixth dimension you're able to jump from branch to branch. So you can't just go forward and back on. What do you use? Explained like this from the beginning to this makes way more sense. Yeah, so in the sixth dimension, I love when we talked about being unhappy in marriage, because you're not you, but I love that this is the example that we're you know, this gets funny and as I get this, wait, so you go forward a backwards through time and and all the thing you could experience, all the timeline, so you can be married to all of them. Yeah, that's where you're going. Well, we'll see. So, so in fot the mission, you can only go for it and backward. So you go backward whatever, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and then fifth dimension. If you were in fifth dimension, you want to go backwards to yourself where you made the decision to get married. But then one another dimension you had teeth. You stuck here. You want to go back to t one. So if you're in tthree, you made a decision get married. You created a branch and that goes down with the other girl tthree. Right. If you're in tthree and you wanted to go back to t one, you would have to go backwards in time to point when you made the decision to go forwards in time along the timeline where you didn't make the decision to get to t one. So you gotta do this crazy forward, time back. And fourth thing, yeah, which is I mean it's a long trip. There's like three layovers in forty. The four, I guess, Sure D space. Well, sixty space. You don't need to go backward and forward because you can jump time minds. So you can go straight from tthree to t one. You don't have to go backwards to t too. Write to t one and she's talking about all this. And then seventy. You then can perceive all the possible wives you could ever have and then, I guess picked to experience one. There's wrong sayings. That what people do anyway, when they're sitting on instagram and they open some raindo girls picture and they said here and they go, oh, they use imagine it. Yeah, but in venty you can experience it. That's so weird. But Brie, she was getting ready in the other room and she's like, are you watching videos on how to time travel so you don't have to marry me? She say that. I was like, yeah, that's exactly what I'm going. Yeah, I can't wait to watch spy kids seventy. You know, you're so stressful. That would be to watch spike kids, all the possible scenarios at once. Oh, that would be so stressful. God. Yeah, I would love to watch the one would they die at the y? I picked that one. You know, I just really want a good movie that the main character is just lose. So yeah, so basically I just love that. His example was about like, I don't know, you regret your marriage? Well, go to forty. Yeah, anyways, tind is just work. is where God is. Yeah, and so it's completely outside of the plane. Sure, so there's I mean it's exactly what you hear about in the Bible. There's no beginning, no end, there's no confines of any laws of nature. Like it's completely outside of everything we know as reality and has complete control and presence and everything. Okay, so now we're to the M theory. Yeah, and M Theory is the eleven dimension, and that's aleister Crowley's dimension. He now I'm gonna be honest with you. The Eleventh Dimension is just the ten dimension. Yeah, I don't understand the difference. It's just like it's all this, but more like it gets it's like a fourth grade of being like yeah, but what it's like? What if the eleventh dimension you would have all been so in any time, you could just change your fingers to those garlic bread sticks, curb all of the guards and then you just eat them and they grow back because your loveth dimension. Nothing real love it dimension. Guling figures. My finger will too hard during that bit. I gotta hurt little bit, Yep, but down a little too hard. But yeah, so everything for a second I was kind of I was getting hungry. I was due to garlic bread stick from yeah. So basically the eleventh dimension, everything just kind of collapses them on itself and it's all there and also all not there. It doesn't make a lot of sense. Somebody honest with you. All right, fittle off things of the last night is a production of space tim media produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by connerbet social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.


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Freedomland USA – You’re Not Going to Believe This Theme Park

04-05-22

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of freedom land? US? A Freedom Land USA? Yeah, grew up there, baby southwest Missouri. That's just that's just what we call it. And if you're listening from outside the US, all we call it it's just freedom land. For you don't and US A baby, Aka Branson Missouri. Oh Yeah, we've got the ball stoppers. We've got the ball couldn't think of another act. Oh, the Clay Cooper Country Express. We've got a we've got a group of old guys who pretend they're the Beatles every Thursday afternoon. Yeah, we've got the think about some of the shows that exist in Branson. I think about this a lot. Why? Why? You know, and that's really the only question I have. there. They're straight up is a Beatles tribute band and they sell tickets. Yeah, it's pretty phenomenal and, like they know, they're audience. In other you know, you got good hip son. You want to be mixtendrilla or a quarter. You get to see from Cornsoda's like with the lights off from the air to get from James Cake. That's the joke you want to make. That disgusting. Legally, who can't tell you know, I said the Great Chicago fire was devastating for the city of Chicago but really, really helpful for our people. Things I learned last night. So freedom lay and USA. Yeah, can you guess what it is? Oh Man, I want to guess that it's a cult. Oh Gosh, I kind of wish it was. No, it's not a call a roadside attraction sort of. That's closer. It's it was a theme park that opened in June nineteen, one thousand nine hundred and sixty. Okay, and it was a hugege success. Sounds like it. Yeah, we're at New York in the Bronx. So say like that in the Bronx. I just said BOOT hawk in the Bronx. What is your deal? It just said Brock. Yeah, but you said it weird. In the Bronx, in the Bronx. Yeah, you can't. They that's the letters ox. Senetically, Bronx is pronounced prons. You can't say you can't say. Can't say frons. Yeah, you have prons. It's a possible stupid. so He's was it really in New York? Yeah, it's in the Bronx, hundred percent. That's yeah, you're being dumb now. It's in the Bro Freedom Lay and USA. Yeah, so frequently at USA. To paint the picture for this, we need to look at the guy who started it a little bit to paint like faceboo. Man, it was early s. He was very young, just a child. So we lad in like someone give me thirteen million dollars, I want to open freedom land. Wow, this little walk, even the coper that's a toddler. And know it was start about this guy named C v Wood. And there's a little bit of gray area, I should say this guy. He's kind of a mystic figure because even his name no one's really sure if that's his real name, if it's legit. So allegedly, Steve Wood stands for Cornelius Vanderbilt Wood, which is such a cool cornelius. Yeah, I wish it would make a comeback. Yeah, this is my son, Cornelius. Just use it, make the use it. Do you think it's what Neil is short for? Maybe people named Neil Neil, if your name's Neil, that is a message. Relieve a comment and tell us what it's short for. Ne alrt. No, another another theory is that his name is Comrad vanderbilt or Commodore Vanderbilt, wood, Commodore, Commodore Vanderbilt would but he when he was asked like by recorders, no, he would say. They would say, what does CV stand for, and he would say see for nothing, V for nothing. So I don't know. Your name is coughing bothing. All right, MR cutting bobbing. Where do we go from here? See for nothing being for that EXA for nothing basis. I know. Yeah, it's like whenever I was working at Chick Fil A. Yeah, and I'd be like Hey, Karn, name for the order, and so I will go. Why? I was it? Cause I'M gonna hunt you down. I'M gonna come to your house after this and I'm gonna take all your Knick knacks while you're sleeping. What do you think? I'M gonna call your name out for your order, you absolute psycho. Look, I kind of name for your order. Why? I don't know, Dude. I'm gonna Steal Your identity. Have you ever been real like this will restaurant? You're a yeah, you're a been to the public. What do you yeah put my name is Mary Christmas, so you have to say it. We already say that here. Okay, so it Christmas. Go ahead. He but he preferred from a young age see woody. He just wanted to know, buy woody, see these cool seems pretty cool. Honestly. Cornelius would is pretty cornelius. Vanderbilt School, the Corny Comin Vanderbilt, soul commodore, comedy Boblodore Bablo was cocky, bottles over, twist, not a name, and so he preferred wood see. What's he human by Woodsy, wood see wood see. But anyway, so he was born in Oklahoma but then his family moved to Ammerala, Texas. So just the boring parts. Yeah, yeah, and then went through middle school, high school whatever, went to college at Hardened Simmons University in Abilene, where he actually became a champion Trick Roper for the school's cowboy marching band. So all of that. Yeah, the whole sentence there. Huh, if you're a trick roper for your local cowboys marching band. Yeah, what feels like? Your auditioned to be in the Banyand and the band director was like can you do it on a horse? Musical talent? Nothing, you know, no, no, they don't do it on a horse. The trick roping stuff that's not done on a horse, you know? Yeah, I don't know rob a mountain about that. So they freaking it's like they it's you know what it is. It is the cowboy equivalent of those girls downtown the Hula Hoop. You understand I'm talking about, and they do like the weird stuff with their hands and they got a Hulo and they just do it's that with a cowboy hat on and some masculinity. Yeah, no, hit movements that makes they pick up a rope and they make it to where undy they they getty up through it or whatever. Yeah, you know, I've seen that. Yeah, yeah, saying that. So he was a champion at that. Yeah, pretty best, pretty good at that. Well, he stayed there for a couple year, studied engineering and then dropped out and just went straight to a pretty major aircraft manufacturing company called confair and just lied and said he had his degree and they believe him, and so he just started engineering his parent lanes. Yeah, he was just like yeah, I got my degree, and they're like cool, you're hired build an airplane for us, and so it was like I know how to do that, like, I don't understand. That makes me very secure in the amount of flights that I take, and so he worked there for a few years. After that he was able to kind of take the next step into his career and work for SRI, which you might remember from a remote viewing episode. Yeah, they make that hot sauce. Yeah, sorry, Racha, oh my gosh, Racha. Yeah, they they spent years studying if it was possible to travel to different planets, high in your mind, and then also made this hot sauce. That's what they traveled to. Rodina's hot sauce these days. Traveled so many hot sauces. Every year there's a new hot sauce. Here's my family recipe. Thanks for turning the Empire State Building. Here's the Empire's here's a picture of an old lady I found on the Internet, but I'm going to tell you it's my grandma who makes this salsa and you should buy it and I'll go viral on tick tock, even though that lady does not exist. Oh, she existed. Picture of well, I don't know, you could be a fake person, yea. Yeah, so he worked at SRI. Create a deep fake person to sell some salsa. Yeah, let's gonna move some Saracha. Let's do it let's make a deep fake person to sponsor, to be our watch their commercial right now. Some people are going to hear it, some people are going to hear silence. Yeah, you know, it just depends if you believe it. Did you have enough faith to hear? Well, sorry about that, I guess so. So he's just faking this way through. If you did here the remote viewing episode Sri Students for Standford Research Institute, it's a word to play that episode now. Yes, here it is. Don't do the theme song. So it's a company that just research and stuff and they got contracted by the government to research a lot of really fringe stuff. Yeah, but they also did like some legitimate like engineering and research projects, including one for Walt Disney, and so Disney hired Sri to do the viability study for the original Disneyland. And so interesting this guy CB wood sees all this while he was the guy heat that was assigned to that project. He's like Knowin of it. This is sunny. I would call this viable. Yeah, he said this could work and he just has this charm to him, which is why I think he was able to build a career in engineering without any like you know, charisma. Yeah, at like well, I was going to say without any know. He has charisma, has for Asma. He has no creditation. Yeah, so he kind of did this thing for this viability study for Walt and Walt loved him. What was like, this is a great guy, I really like him. Yeah, and so he hired him as the first employee of Walt Disneyland. Oh, he was the VP of operations for while. You can see you're in the gift shop, but I like it. Hey, I like hey, I like you guys, spunk kid. You know the way you do those weird rope things. That's pretty neat. How would you like? Have you heard a cinderella? Plush Toys? Hey, you got good hip, son. You want to be like sit in the rilla. Super Weird Direction. That I wasn't ready for. I don't like the I don't like the accent. I don't like that. You got good hips, son. I like the Comma Sun and that Senence. You know I'm saying. That's what they get really uncomfortable about. That was the Kama Sun. What can we say? You got good hips. That's what he was looking for when he was looking for a Cinderella, you know, a dude with great ms for her hips. What are you talking about? anyways, he got hired his baby of operations for Disneyland. Okay, and that's in the S. Yeah, right before Disneyland launched, well before they even start a construction or anything. So he called up balls, old high school buds, no credentials, and hired them all as like VP's and CEO's and everything for the park and was like we're going to build this world famous theme, Theme Park, theme park, world do they did he call it a world famous then? Yeah, build this. It's like Nathan's hot dogs. It's like if we just call it world famous, they'll be for it's like eighty restaurant that has sweet team. It's our famous sweet team famous. I think we're over using the word. You know, once he starts working for him while it's like, oh, I don't like this guy. Like he realized it's pretty quick. He's like this guy is a liar. He's like this guy is like his whole game is just to kind of swoon you and get too excited about him and then go as far up the ladder as he possibly can and then get out and go to his first different yeah, and so wall didn't like him, but he didn't have like a good reason to can them yet, like he couldn't legally just be like, I don't like you, so you're fired, and so he's like looking for a reason to get rid of him. Well, he builds the park, does the whole thing, and the launch was kind of a disaster for dizzey land, for Disneylands. So disneylands launched like, I mean everyone was hyped because was Disneyland and it got good, like reviews from the public, but from critics it was pretty bad because a lot of the rides weren't done yet, so a lot of the park wasn't open. Even the concrete at certain points was not fully dry. So women's heels, we're getting stuck in the concrete. Kids were just stuck, still stuck to this day. And welcome to Disney. If you got a Disneyland, there's just like a like a bunch of empty shoes stuck in the concrete because they had a slip their feet out. But you had what you had to do is you can't slip your feet out and step into more wet concrete. Yeah, you have to wait till it dries and then take your feet out of the shoes and the shoester is there forever. Yep, you never, you can never see him. And then what happens is there's like hundreds of all of these shoes and this gets section of the park and you see him and then all of a sudden it just has one set of shoes and it's like, well, that's where Jesus can, she is, carried all those kids through. Yeah, did you see, though, the one set of shoes and the Disneyland side Wot. Yeah, it's where Jesus carried them. So it didn't go well. And so while it's like here's my appart, I got that poem in my bathroom at home, sketches on the paper. So don't go well. And so well, did that opening to launching a Disneyland not go well because of what CEEB did? Or Yeah, like a he just kind of just wants it, just drop the ball. Yeah, he dropped the ball on a lot of areas and so likes cool day. Yeah, and so a lot of stuff wasn't done. He didn't he he had it understaffed and it was just like it wasn't to the quality that Disney usually puts things to. Know that. The boomers always say that everyone worked hard back then. Not See, you're telling me you but it's the same. Okay, so back in my day. So he got fired, but then he was like, I got Disneyland on my resume and so, yeah, that's went to Denver. That's stupid, and he found some rich investor and he's like, I mean Disneyland, Disneyland, yeah, he's like. He's like, I made Disneyland. You want to another door, an airport? The Guy was like sure. So he goes at Denver and he pitches Magic Mountain, which was a mountain in Golden Colorado, that he was going to just turn the mountain into a theme park. was supposed to be this like big Colorado history tour and with all bunch of rides and stuff, you're going to learn about the dinosaurs and the gold and all the stuff that's like Colorado. Right. Well, they did it and but they ran on of funding halfway through. The investor and so kind of got canned. So then he went and he started a new one called pleasure island in Wakefield Massachusetts. Yeah, let's did open. Wasn't nearly as successful, and that's interesting me. How many theme parks. There are, I know, you know, like Cilvi, door city just exists and a lot of people don't know. Yeah, you know, there's lots of theme parks. I mean a lot of like and you know, I bet every state has a few. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Like, I've never been to the six flags of St Louis. Yeah, either. I you'd grow up here. You gotta God. You go to Magic Mountain. Magic Mount wasn't a thing. I went to six bags over Denver. MM, but it's not that anymore out seilers gardens. But anyways, so the that was like a moderate. So he started doing theme parking parts. He was just finding that was like his life. Oh, this is money. Yeah, and then he'd call up his old friends. We be like hey, we're doing another one, and then they come with him. Well, then he goes to New York and he finds an investor in New York by the name of William Zeckendorff who just had like eighty four anchors in the bronx and the where the Bronx, and he talked of me into giving him thirteen million dollars to start a theme park which would become Freedom Land USA. Okay, and freedom land. Honestly, I think to get the picture, all you need to know about it is the map. If you see the map of this park is eighty four acres. Okay, in the middle of the Bronx. 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It's ten million gallons of water that they poured into that. This is still exist? No, no, it does. It does not now it' is there something else there? Yeah, it's a bunch of condos, but is the six foot deep lake still there? They don't think so. Let's like I'm saying, it's take a quick a. You Google satellite this or whatever. So the idea was that, you know, all the Texas stuff, would have like the texts world fare down here. Yeah, and then California they would put the Hollywood sign and it would be like California out there, m and so you could, you could travel the entire they made. What's his deal with Michigan? He loves Michigan. Like he was like, I wanted to make the actual shape of Michigan. Well, he wanted to make the Great Lakes Great Lakes. Yeah, how odd, what a weird decision. Yeah, so and then they make mountains. Yeah, yeah, they put those little mountains in there. So, like there's actually a pictures is a train that goes around. Is that what it is? As yeah, so there's there's a couple modes of transportation throughout the park. I can't get mass any for acres. The eighty four acres. Yeah, how big is that? Thirty four hectacres? How? How helped me understand how we visualize. Okay, how many acres are between where I live and where you live? Hold on, I'm just going to convert acres to miles. Like how wide is this? I don't know what you think. At the San Francisco Bay, like he really built it. Okay, so this isn't that big. That's why I'm thinking. So a square mile? Uh Huh. It's six hundred and forty acres. So this is significantly less than a mile. But that doesn't check out to me, because there is like how I said that the chain. They said the train route is a mile in the and one of the things I read. So well, sure, but if you stretch that out, obviously, look, if you take that train route, yeah, it's actually can't testal and you stretch it out across the planet. I'll go across the Planet Sixteen Times. Oh, yeah, it's true. It's not true. It could be any less true. Yeah, so it's Oh way, hold on, hold on. So it's all within a square mile, within an eighth of a mile. There's no way. Okay, hold on, hold on, okay, okay. So they had two hundred and five acres for the site. Okay. The park itself within the bounds, was eighty five acres. Okay. Are the rest of it was parking in the hotel. Yes, I'm just trying to I'm just trying to try get it better. Yeah, so about a mile, roughly a mile, worth of stuff. And Hey, so I'm it's not jaking. It's also kind of packed. Then it's all kind of it's done it together, squeeze together pretty tight, yeah, to get all this stuff in here. But yeah, so there's a couple modes of transportation. There was a there's that train that looped around the whole thing. Yeah, there also was a gondola system that went across the across the whole park. Okay. And then there was literal like a horse drawn like like what do you call like from the old West, like the carriages from the Old West? They called those something, but they didn't clumb carriage wagons. Yeah, they got a wagon you could ride across the whole park, which sounds like. And they even had mules. You can ride mules through the rocky mountains. That was one of the rides. Is like, let's just ride some also had is their all buddies from high school that you could just jump on their back and make care of you across the country. You know, you can jump by that guy's back. He's got good hips, he can take care of it, got wide hips. Just why don't you go jump on Cinderella over there? All the mascots are ridable. He's jump on see. Okay. So wait, what years is opening? How? Well, what's the what's The Times be between like getting the land and opening it open? So they got the land in one thousand nine hundred and fifty eight, O Kay, and they started construction. They opened it in one thousand nine hundred and sixty. So it did open. Yeah, I did. Here. It ran for four years, okay, and they were some interesting years. So, first of all, when they opened, it a very similar launch to the Disney land launch. Not Great, because a lot of stuff was just not done. And so at this point a lot of people, a lot of critics, started saying, well, maybe CV wood is the problem. This is your fourth part that's launched, that's got a great like a failure, but not like a not a failure, but like, you know, a failure. That's what my dad says about me. A failure, but like not a lot of success. He's like a failure, but like not a failure. You know, I'm say like a failure. My Dad doesn't say that about me. My Dad says I'm a huge success. Your wife says that. It's so, that's okay. She won't hear that. She doesn't listen. So when they when they launched, a lot of rides were not done. A lot of construction was still like in progress in the park when they watched it. But the the cool thing about it is they had the problem with the snow. Your right about this, but you can go ahead and you want to try it, you can try out. Yeah, less of a hill, more of a ramp, you know. So it's will let you do it, okays, shot. It's it's redly freedom of where you want. We can't tell you know. Legally, who can't tell you know? Can you carry me across this park? You can do whatever you want. We got my friend punch you in the face. You Bet you my pleasure. I could. I have a name for this order. Why? Just want to know who's punching me? I guess. So. The cool thing about this one is that he had the cement problem again. He laid the cement too late, so it wasn't try. But the what's great about it is this land used to be a landfill, and so there are reports, multiple reports, not one report moll multiple reports of springs from box springs, mattresses just shooting up from under the concrete and tripping people. Dude, and you got him run around. Is like stopping on them. It's like a lack of mole. Yeah, if you stop too hard, it'll shoot you up. You know, I just, yeah, I just I can't believe. I like, I can't think of a more ridiculous scenario. Reo, then mattress springs, matches springs shooting up through the floor of your through the cement of your theme park. So so, needless to say, this one didn't launch it very well either. Right, and it got a pretty mixed reviews because it all like we're aware of the mattress springs, right. I need to let you all know that there are springs in the concretate. They are a ride. Jump on them. That's one of our transs. What you'll take you there side of the park. So, yeah, the critics hated it. They thought it was historically inaccurate, because that was that was a big part. They wanted it to be a lot of history. So every region you came to was that region during a specific point in history. People more wait, I already know what history they're botching. All right, it's the crazy, like this is a story of the inaccurate. There's springs everywhere. Yeah, hath the rides aren't open and they're still letting people ride them. And so the critics hated it, but the public loved it. The public was like real as Oh, I guess. Yeah, patriotism was high then. Yeah, they were. They were amped about it. And so the public there was like one person like they like a reporter asked them. Yeah, that's I mean right outside my house there are mattress springs coming out of my yard. It. So it was crazy. They got that detail about that, you know, down to the detail. No, he they asked them. They said he said, you know, I've been to Disneyland and I've been here. He's it. I think they out did Disneyland. So high praise. Wow, high praise from the general public. Sure they loved it, but some of the some of the park was a bit problematic. Like there was historical and accuracies left and right. Yeah, obviously, I'm sure you probably can assume a lot of it was from the Old West era that painted the native population as just like these real bad guys. Oh, everybody was out here. They were the wow, wow west. The cowboys were taming the thing, because they also could have gone the route that my elementary school did, in that we were all pals, you know. Yeah, yeah, so they didn't really do anything like that. They did they did have this like Tartaria exhibit where it was like yeah, this was all here when we got here, I'm setting, I'm miss only I was like so, don't you believe him? I did wait long as I don't be of the hope I'm an. How did they treat the south? So the south was interesting because they just had a giant New Orleans exhibit. So the South was pretty much all New Orleans. There was a civil war thing, but it's just a shooting range like you just Fota just got tcause. If you see the old commercials for the stampede in Branson. No, the old one where it's like the friendly rivalry between the south and the north, and it's like, yeah, I don't think it was friendly, friendly rivalry indeed. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like just stuff like that. Really they didn't really touch on that. They only like civil war thing, was that shooting range. But they did actually they had a pirate like a pirate ship ride in in the New Orleans that was actually purchase by nots very farm and they still run it, and that that ride was actually the inspiration for the pirates ride in Disneyland and they like originally Disney wanted to make that like a much more fun and like upbeat ride like most of Disney, but then he saw the freedom land and how dark it was and he was like kind of like that. And so then they say walked Disney, went to freedom land. Yeah, yeah, because he was he was like, I hates like guy. He's like, I hate this guy. Let's see him fail. Yeah, he's like, I want to see him Fil oh, Dang it, this is really good man. Shouldn't have fired him. Instead, let's just feel it. Yeah, he's walking around. He's like. He's like I can't believe he got the details down to the spring sound of floor in the wrong look at those shoes. You know he's got a newer shoes than we got. Ridiculous. So so let's just let's just go on a tour. So the whole idea you came in through New York, okay, and it was was s you New York. You drop in there and it's like similar to when you get to Disneyland and you walk in and it's like all the shops in the restaurants and stare been to Vegas there their whole New York thing. Yeah, yeah, similar concept. And so the whole idea was you walk in and you do your shopping and stuff and then you have to carry your stuff around the whole park the rest of the day. And so in there, you know, random shops, random like ice cream parlor, like a couple mall rides, nothing crazy. In this part there was like a tug boats ride and like a little horse draw like you in New York. So you don't got to go to New York. Yeah, yeah, EI, they're like the like we saw this, but like they're like real like me, and look at that. That looks just like wow, the empire state. It's just like that, but way smaller and cheaper. Yeah, this in the Bronx. So the most part part of this is they had a Welch's grape juice bar. Well, so you just getting. The first thing I think every time I get to it in Musement Park is, man, I wish I has a great Joe, but what's the bar? Why is there? Because there's one option, you know, it's not like they're like you can have great what do you have? More grape juice? You know, like what are they? You sit down, Hey, what do you have it and like well, hold on, you got like the dark lit thing's got his hat down and he's like yeah, let's do hit me with a grape please, which is also what I'm going to do from now odd forever if I go to a restaurant and out of the roads, I'm gonna sit over my head, like hat down, and you're just like yeah, but a long day. You guys got any great grape soda? What do you ask for a grape soda? I'd like an apple piece. They give it to you. Do they have grape soda? I'm should they do? You're sure they do? Sure, let's go after this. Let's go up there. You not scripts there's a really nice apple on the road. I will bet you. I'll bet you a hundred dollars. They don't have it. Let's go. Let's just call him. We don't have to go. We can go. I don't. I don't want to test you and your problem. Okay, anyways. So, Hey, we're lunch after this. So so if you get yeah, so after you get your Kawaiian Brosas Great. Bro. Yeah, yeah, Broy should we should? We invit Alexbly? Okay, cool. I tried to last time. Here's the thing. Alex lives across the street from the place the Tim and I go to lunch by every day. So most days, a lot of days, every day. So I text Alex last week and was yeah, Hey, but my service is really bad in that part of town. Did Not send until we were leaving. Yeah, and that point I hope it was don't win. It was great because he texted them after we left and said, all, my service is really bad. After Leo was a day we should have invited Alex and I text was like Hey, man, we're going to lunch right now. You want to go? Yeah, and then later I was like, oh, it's just because my name is services. You know, I was over in the Bronx and didn't have any service. So they to Wels, just grape juice bother up bunch of grape juice bar and then so that's that's all in New York. And so you you hop on the little train. Can you go to old Chicago? Old Chicago was one thousand eight hundred and seventy one. Chicago's old. Yeah, the actual old Scha Cogo. And so you went to one thousand eight hundred and seventy one Chicago, which the significant thing about is Coles. The city of Chicago is the pizza place, the pizza place. The significant thing about choosing this date was it's the year of the Great Chicago Fire. And so, in really good taste, they had burnt up buildings and stuff. Yeah, it really good tastes. They had a ride where it was the fire and they literally set the built Chicago on fire and they had like like stage hands that ran around and put the fire out, and there's one part where they had the pumps and the kids got to go run the pumps to put this Chicago fire out. And the best part of the whole thing that you're making this up. This is dums. That true. This is this is a Rye, this is a right, like you know what, remember that huge disaster that killed tons of people in Chicago and bike the city almost didn't bounce back. Yeah, let's just make it fun. He actually said in an interview. He said he said the Great Chicago fire was devastating for the city of Chicago but really, really helpful for our the impartments. I think he actually said. That's why he said. He said very amusing for our theme Party. So the best part of using the best part, the best part was that area of old Chicago. One of the characters that they had running around. We're gonna say I don't like it. So there was there was the prevailing theory after the fire was that there was this Irish American immigrant in Chicago who had a barn and Chicago and she was milking her cow one night and she knocked over oral lamp that started the Fire and burnt the city down and she survived and she faced a ton of ridicule like this was an actual, like named individual. They named in the paper. After her death. The reporter came out and said he made the story up and so her ruined her life. Her and the whole Irish community like faced a ton of like like really serious like ridicule for decades because of this reporter just made this up. Yeah, and this was like confirmed false for decades by the time this park opened up. But CEV would was like, yeah, let's have her run around the park and like literally the engagement that they encourage with the kids as to like ridicule the lady who started the fire culture, the it's freedom of lad you can do whatever you want, free, whatever you want, or if you want to wait, wonder what to say, Cev, take her out, like what the heck man? So, so someone's job at this theme park, yeah, was to get dressed as a milkmaiden, show up and just get made fun of by children all day. Yeah, wow, does that have children come up and be like you started the fire? Is that? Is that as far as they would go? I don't know. I mean it was the S. I don't know how good insults were back then. Huh, I don't know if they got there yet. Like insults have evolved. If they're like how you look like fire starter, you know. Yeah, yeah, Singa or whatever I said. I don't know. So there's a bunch of shops, about a few other rides. That was like a Great Lakes cruise. That's not a go the Great Lakes. There they had a boss that pull up and dump it's Poop, you know. Yeah. So just a bunch of random Chicago theme rides. There's a hallmark card shop. They're really yeah, which is kind of random. And then you went to the great planes. You S say the city company. Yeah, I know, but it is. This is Chicago, Nukan city. Okay. So then then you ride the train to the Great Plains and the great planes are themed through the Nineteen Centuryan eighteen and three to one thousand nineteen hundred. Yeah, and I mean the great expansion the yeah. Yeah. So there's all these fords, all these like cowboy themed stuff, all this really poor native American history stuff just not really well done. My most favorite part of this side of the park was borden's milk bar, because nothing says you know what, my grape juice is all gone. I could go for a glass of the people who drink a glass of milk. I think they should be on the FBI's most wanted list. It's scary. A hundred aspecially, like you consider like it's like a hot summer day, like ninety do right, there are like yeah, some milk, but here's what's worse. Not only people who would drink a glass of milk, but people who would make that skim milk. You know I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about, all right, skim milk, half water, half milk. Okay, half water, half skin. Half. Oh, you said skin is the skid milk. I thought you said skidding. You went skin milk. That's the joke you want to make. That's disgusting. All right, areas drinking it, you're like, I mean, I made front of that lady in Chicago, but she's got a good product, you know. Anyway, it's milk bar. Yeah, so the great planes that they're okay, but which is weird or what? been a long day? Can I get a glass of milk? I'm gonna do it. You know, Applebas as milk. They do for sure. I've done it. I would love some bottle boneless wings and a glass of milk. Play all glass of milk. Yeah, no, I'll pint, but I got a picture of like cond I get a picture of milk. Yeah, and a dollar Rita for the lady. Oh my gosh, I sort of why is it milk and margarite tonight? Let's go. I'm crying. So the planes had just like I was like a bunch of shooting ranges. Like what would you do? You'RE A if you're at a restaurant, someone in the other person with you order a glass of milk. I probably judge them internally, but you wouldn't say anything. No, but you, yeah, probably to the server. What are you gonna say to the service? I don't know. Whatever their code is, you know, like they got it, like you talking about where you like they got a code. It's like a hey, can I get like this kind of cocktail? And it's like a please call the police. Yeah, fire, stay, never shout fire. Fire. Your friend is like, but that order. This guy order milk now. True psychopaths during this is I know there's were two more. We're spending too much time on milk right now, but true psychopaths due ice in their milk. Yeah, way worse. Yeah, yeah, that's a whole different enyway, go ahead, hold the level. Hey, have you're heard of tilling podcast? Merch that's right. We've got a full merch store of tilling branded teas, mugs, stickers, hoodies, a lot more, and we put out new designs with every episode. But those are only available for a limited time, so you got to get those while they're hot. Text tilling to six, six, eight hundred and sixty six to get access to our lusive merchandise. So there wasn't much else in the planes. Like there was like a bunch of like milk bar and yeah, history. Yeah, it was just a bunch of fields at a milk bar in the middle of it, like we came all the way out here for this. Well, I mean that's that's super accurate, though. That's pretty much like our drives through Kansas. No, yeah, so they they had a few rides, but they were all like, I mean, they were just old, westeamed. Right. Yeah, it's roller coasters were boring. Yeah, it's no wheels, this is a roller core and people are like that's good, right, please exit to your left. Good, right, good ride. Yeah, but we're here. Yeah. So then next with San Francisco, it was we had to go through the mountains first. Well, yeah, and so that was part of the the planes that the plane districted. That's where you rode the donkeys to the mountains if you wanted to, and then that was fall. Go, don't know, a few feet, I don't know. They are here. I'll pull up a picture of him La. I start talking real, real picture of the map, real picture. Yeah, show some real pictures in this place. There's not a lot because, I mean, it was the early s. So like to get a picture taken, like you had to have like someone with a big ball camera show up and or a canvas it. Can you pay the picture of this theme park for me? I saw one of these mountains earlier. Let see if I can find it. But So San Francisco, while I'm looking for this, San Francisco was set in nineteen odred and six, okay, and in San Francisco there was like they had some of the like iconic points in San Francisco, like Chinatown. They had a root beer bar. So interesting. A little bit more. When you're done with your milk, when you're done with your milk, if you save your milk, you can put it your root beer in it. You got a root your float. That's not how we're your put warm milk in there. Yeah, I just spent I've I got this milk to out of, like you gotta hold that milk way riding on a donkey too. So it's like spilled milk all over yourself. So the but here's the most the most significant part of it. I'm pulling up. So San Franco set in thousand nine hundred and three. Yeah, not nineteen O six. Okay, here's your brow. Norton's there, Emperor Norton is there. Here's your here's your mountains, and this is one of your wagons traveling through the mountains. Or do you say it like it's mine, like you're like, here you go, here's what you've asked for. It is what you've asked for. Yeah, okay, see, the train people are trying to vary in is full. And Yeah, I mean it was relative. So this is this is the mount I see there's rocks and yeah, they just piled the bunch of rocks. This was the landfill that they just covered in rocks. Yeah, make it so no one can see the mattresses. Yeah, it's pray pay the mattress is silver. Make him look a little more rocky. But I mean they put effort into it at least like it looks. Looks, it looks coolish. Sure, but yeah, so thous nine hundred and six San Francisco, and this was significant because because that was the year of the Great San Francisco Earthquake. What is this deal? And so again they made this big Old San Francisco earthquake ride and that was the main attraction. He was like, listen's pretty bad. Yeah, Francisco Super Amusing for us, though. Yeah, yeah, same thing. And so you went through and it was a ride. What are you like? It's like a little car ride. And then you went in the building and you drove through and then like the power went out and everything started shaking and like you saw stuff falling over in a fire started and you've got to put up the fire and make fun of the lady who started there, everybody. Yeah, she started the earthquake. I was just milky. My cow set off a whole size of the activity of must have built too hard. I was shaking the plectonic plates. I just whoops. So again just picking out a try to tragedy and make a theme park ride out of it. Yeah, and then you went through the old southwest. Nothing super interesting there, except for it. They did have a just a herd of bulls that were just rumming around and they're like look, this is what it's like in Texas. I don't get too close. Yeah, watch out. Then he went through New Orleans, where there was already talked about a bit about New Orleans. I surprised herey more for Texas because he's from there. Well, there was. There was rides, but there's nothing interesting there. Rowdy, Ryes Sotal were there. I think there was eighty nine. Oh my good, that's very big park. Yeah, and then New Orleans had a tornado adventure. So you just got to experience what it's like to die in a tiny door lose. New Orleans have tornadoes now, but it was the closest region to Tornado Alley in the park. I mean I guess Texas probably would have made more sense, but yeah, and then Florida. Instead of, you know, doing something for Florida, he was like this is satellite city and he was like this is what the world's gonna be like in the future. Oh, and so they did walt is. Me Like that one too. Ye had inspired epcot. Did it really? I don't know. It could have, or tomorrow land. I don't know, I don't I don't think it did, but who knows? But on paper it didn't. Sure in reality probably maybe. I mean it's in Florida. Yeah, it's in pronx's Florida. But so, yeah, they had like a Cape Carnaval thing where you guy got to see what it was like to launch the rockets, and then all this educational stuff about space. And then just like some random like, they had the moon bowl, where it was like a big theater that they would simulate traveling to space inside a theater. This would be like if we went to space in a theater. I know, it doesn't feel like much. And then they had they called it the satellite turnpike. So it was a freeway of the future. You just drove Tesla's around. So anyways, that's all. That's an overview of the park. A lot of problem at rides, a lot of weird stuff. It lasted for four years. Yeah, what happened? So because it was popular? Yeah, but they opened it severely in debt. It cost them an insane amount of money to build this. It was a little too ambitious and so they realized right away. They said, okay, first season we launched. We have to have two million visitors to break even. Geez. And the thing about building a park in New York versus what Disneyland did, was it had to be seasonal, like there was going to be a part of the year where you can't run the park. Yep, and so they had to cram those two million people into just a few months in the the warm months in New York. Well, they didn't do it. They got one point five, which put them in a pretty bad financial situation that for the next three years they just struggled to get out of. And so of the next two years they built a lot of attractions, Rehab some areas. There was a section of future land where they put one of the moving walkways from the airport in there and they were like, look at that from the here. Took it from JFK. Yeah, he's go JFK. There's just an empty part of the hallway. What the heck? And there's just a lady with her cow walking arouncord. I didn't know it. DSA is like what fire, come with us, that lady. You know, I went on a ghost tour and there was just like like a lady in the corner who's like, I didn't start the fire. Like, what are you talking about, Old Lady? You know. So, but then the fourth year is my favorite because then the fourth year they realized they didn't have enough money to open this season at all, and so but they did. They were like, well, we could maybe do it if we opened just on the weekends. And so that's what they did because they was they said, hey, we won't will just run the power on the weekend, have the watt on the weekend, the staff on the weekend refine world so fun exists. Yeah, I'm just thinking of all the theme parks that exist. Who was last time with the worlds of fun? If I never been into world's fun? No, yeah, anyway. But so they just ran it on the week we should go. But when they opened in season, guests came during the weekdays and so they were like, well, people are here, and so they hired like a skeleton for showed up on the weekdays. Yeah, they didn't know. I mean it's there's no Internet. So people are just like, let's go down to freedom land, and they drove down in their automobiles, found a free freedom land. Oh yes, let's head on down to freedom. That and they got there and there's a bunch of cars in the parking lots. They walk up to the turnstiles and no one was there. But the owners of the park were like, well, Hey, if we just hired a skileton crew to man the turnstiles, we can charge everyone a quarter to come in and see the park when it's closed. And so they just let everybody into a park that was off and just let him just walk around for a quarter. It just do whatever you want, I guess. Like just goes. Just look at it. I I'm here to punch people. They're off today, Tim once you come back on Saturday, will let you punch a lady who's pretending to milk or cow. Where is the milk? Will let you punch the cow to will let you do it. We won't tell for a quarter for the quarter that'll cost your quarter. I just I just love the the little people are here. Let's just let him in, but not let him do anything. Yeah, yeah, like that's like if best buy was like yeah, come on it, but don't buy. It's like a circuit city was just like, we're only open on the weekends. You can still get in the builds, you can get a tour self guided, Tour Self guided tour through circuit city. Cool. The have one of those headsets that tells me about stuff. No, no, yeah, if I come on Saturday, would you? No, no, no, you can buy a Walkman. Are Welcome to Radio Shack. So eventually the theme park got shut down because they ran out of money. They went bankrupt. Yeah, can't pay the bills with quarters. Yeah, and the guy who owned it built a bunch of condos. And what's really of the satellite pulled up of sorry, do you have the satellite pulled up of what this is now? I don't have a satellite, but I do have a picture of it. I'm pulling it up right now of what exists now. Yeah, and so they just put a bunch of I mean I I struggled to call these tenements, or I want to call them tenements. I struggled the callings condos. Okay, it's called Co op city. And so it's like it's a bunch of Oh my gosh, this is take forever to download. It's it's a lot, a lot of is it? Because you're still streaming prices right? Timms is watching prices right at the office. This morning time myself taking up all the Wi fi, like nothing was working. I was trying to do work. I was here, you weren't hitting stuff done. I really, I literally thought. I was like how funny would be if everyone walked in to shoot today and I was just in here watching prices right while I worked? Yeah, as I did. Here's my question. Brew carry or Bob Barker episodes? It was a new episode. was like live TV. I was streaming my TV. So it's true. So anyway, so here's coop city. So just a bunch of like high rise apartment buildings. Hey, and here's what's interesting. Is Clear plant. What's interesting about it is it seems like this isn't modern. No, yeah, he built. I mean it was one thousand nine hundred and sixty four when they were under stret aftericture, this picture looks two thousand and eight, two thousand and ten. Yeah, do you want anywhere picture? I want a sky view, you know. Ok, let's see if this is sky you. I want to go google maps. I want to see the Great Lakes, is what I mean. Okay, you know saying that I want to see what the layout looks like. Now you might be able to see him in this one. If you listen close at night and some of these buildings you can still hear that lady. Oh so. Yeah, and here's the thing. It seems like this was the guy's plan from the beginning because to do condos there, to do condos there. It seemed like the Guy who invested in it just needed something, some way for it to make a little bit of money for a few years until he was ready to build a condos, and so there's like this conspiracy that he was really just just waiting to be those buildings look terrible, though they all the same. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's your stereotypical like old, but the landscaping was great, most very green. I mean I think that's just natural landscaping. Of I've got the the satellite up. I'll pull it up. This is co op city. Yeah, so a lot of the area around it has since been developed to other stuff. Okay, if maybe this was the lakes, I don't know. That's that's definitely zoom out for the river. That's a normal river. Yeah, I don't see anything that way. Weight so bayst that there was a lake anywhere hot that whole little area right there. Cops City. That's how big it was. Yeah, there's not even a shape there anymore. You can't even tell. Yeah, so here's an Aldi. It was probably like four or five hundred all these ways. Zoom in a little bit, because I think we might be looking at the second upside down as well. I think that that little loop at the bottom is Florida. This, no, up that this. Nope, here you go. That is fluss Florida. Yeah, so that means that that will above the CO op city. To the left would be the Great Lakes. Can I rotate this? I don't think so. That's the Great Lakes. would be over here, somewhere right above Harry as Truman High School in the freeway. Yeah, yeah, maybe I don't see anything that looks great Lakey. Maybe this, I don't know, for them with sub chriss. So that's I mean that that's smaller than what I was even picturing to yeah, it's not. I doubt that interstate was there then, was it? Probably not? Yeah, probably not. So they it's probably like some of they've developed it. We you know, they took the mountains out. I think there's a decent chance like some of this might have been a part of it as well. Okay, maybe, Huh on this river has been here. Pretty Weird. Yeah, I mean there's a little. There's almost no, no like evidence that this was ever here. Yeah, so that's well, it's been a long time too, though. So, yeah, and it's also New York. So New York, you know, I mean it does. So. So the second dwarf is the guys the owner's name is. It's like a dwarf second door. This is first thing. His last name was Smith Second Doors, or wit by Zeeke. Yeah, so he I mean he was a guy who, I mean he owned the Chrysler building also, lightly he was building all these huge skyscrapers all over the city. And then he so it makes sense that he was just trying to get something that would maybe help him break even on a plot of land. Yeah, he held this huge plot of land for knowing that he was going to it was going to, yeah, get so he hired the guy who had a couple failed them parks on his resume, and there's no way he can get that new park ing about right. Yeah. And then just a couple of years after it closed down, the COP city was open to the public and so it was CV during all their meetings was like this, parks is not gonna work managing. We might were bankruptcy. HMM, and Zecondorf over there, like they'd be a really big bummer. Yeah, that would be. I'm really sad about this. I'd be too bad. But if we only open on the weekends this year? What if we charged a quarter? Yeah, maybe lower the prices or the price? Ah, yeah, what if the people in for free? Yeah, it's freedom and right. Yeah, name. How many more employees can we kill? Yeah, I don't know, man, these Old New York developers that they were monster and ruthless. They were crazy. Yeah, crazy. So, yeah, so he did the eat of the the the Co op city, and that was kind of the into freeloman and USA. So what happened? Is CV, though? What does he move on to? He do you really? I mean eventually, well, year he died in was on the death the next rug of my career is death. Ninety one, I think. Oh, so I just I'm saying, what did you do the last thirty years? Was Life? Wait, hold on, sixteen, I don't know. Hold on, let me go out. So I'm saying ninety two. He died at ninety. Was One of his rides. He's like listen and for the next ride you're going to come to my funeral. Right, gosh, your quarter to get in. What are you like did? Is this the last thing he did? Is One? I'm asking? No, I mean it's the last, like prominent thing that he did. Okay, after that he did he taught a class about transcendental meditation for like a couple decades. Interesting. Yeah, he did. He worked for the McCallum More Motors Company, Huh I, which was a sponsor freedomland. Oh it is this significant? I forgot about this. He told the mccullock motors company that London, like this city of London, agreed to allow them to move the London Bridge to America for an ad for mccaulloch motors. He's like yeah, they said it was cool. Yeah, I just called them. I called London. Turns out if you just type in one, eight hundred and then just type the you know, because the numbers are on the Keypad, and yes, type the five, six. MMM MMM, dude, kids don't know how to text like that and then won't. Anyway, it's called London. I think they actually pulled it off, though, now that I'm reading this. What was it? The London Bridge, after a hundred thirty years of service, was being replaced, and so he got he possessed called the Queen. They after a hundred thirty years of service. So they purchased it and they dismantled it stone by stone, before built the new one in its place, and they transported US and reassembled it in Arizona. No, it doesn't sound to reason. He was like for a car commercial. Are we learning something on the podcast right now? There's no way this is real. Are you kidding? But why would you want that in a commert like? What was what would be the point? All Right, here we go, tissue channel. How look how the London Bridge ended up in Arizona. 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Imagine a theme park that surveyed the history of the United States while being shaped like the continental United States. How could that not excite you? In the ’60s, the US of A was all the rage in the US, and C.V. Wood saw the hype as an opportunity to capitalize on patriotism. The disgraced Disney Park manager somehow landed … Read More

Mothman – The West Virginian Monster That Tells The Future

03-29-22

Episode Transcription

Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey Man, what's up? Oh, not much. Have you ever heard of Mothman? Like the Mothman? Moth man? Yeah, like mothmt like I thought. I don't know what moth mean is. We've talked about the Mafia. We have talked about them that we actually talked about the moth man. I saw some Offman coming in a man they broke it in my house. That was what I was like. Is this a reference to something else? Well, Yeah, the Mothman. Mothman is a real thing. No, I mean it's not, but that's the moth man is not a real thing. The Mothman. The moth man is a real thing. What is it? A guy who's just got a house of Moths? My moth man took a look at all these moths. Might he has to say it like that too. Moth's not MOKIG moths. You gotta make moths. My Moth's yeah, yeah, yeah, who's the WHO's the mom? Well, this was the statue that they put on Main Street. Oh Job, I should ask a less stupid person. Your Bout? Well, the pots. He can't communicate, so he just kind of flies around. Is it? Guys, look what's happening. It looks like I hung a sign at the coffee shop that says aliard troopers and I'm just here to get your story. Things I learned last night. Well, it's not that. It's not that. Okay, it's something I want to do. Isn't it weird when people do that whole like they put a needle through a bug. Oh yeah, and then they make it up on their wall? I kind of like it, I think. WHO WANT IT in my office? I'm going to put a above my desk over there. Actually which buggery? A couple on the wall over there. I don't know. What bugs do you like the least? What's your these favorite, but probably one that I pay for and you put on your desk. That's probably the one that I would hate the most. If I had. I'll send you a list of bugs I need for tilling stuff. Take out until on a gives a list of bugs I need. YEA, by running down to the bug mart ball by me some of these bugs. Yeah, there's not. There's got to be like a guy who sells them online. You know, Oh, I'm sure they're yeah, or you just get the street dealer, the bug thug bugs for salecom. How Bug Shippers, bug shippers. Anyway, this is so now it's kind of like, you know, has moths on display. No, it's an oftens, like a slender man kind of thing. Yeah, actually, yeah, it's a man who's a moth, which is a bit of an this number, but we'll get to that. anyways, it's the moths and am man, he is a crypted or. My Fan was born and in West Mathia. So it he's acrypted in West Virginian folklore. And what did your say? He's acrypted in West Virginian forklory. Yeah, I know, Ye, go ahead, forklore. I didn't realize it to the second tie. Where did you actually say this? A gudar accidentally said pulled. No, I know you actually the first time. The second time I thought was like Fre Foklore. There's a lot of story about these forks and Buzz Virginia. Yeah, for you know that unbrittled is pronounced unbridled? Ah Man, that made me so bad. What did you just say? Did you know that unbrittled is pronounced unbridled? Oh Man, that made me so mad. I don't know why. You didn't mean to read. Why did you say that, though? It's almost like you went. Did you know the Guar ry? He is pronounced garage. What? Yeah, I know, I know. The second part. Is it the discord? Yesterday Danley man called me out and he was like you pronounced unbrittled wrong, and I was like I need you to Brittill your tongue. And bridled. Yeah, I've looked it up on youtube the pronunciation key, and it's she said I'm bridled and I was like that's the dumbest that it out of Gosh. That makes me so like it's on. It's unbrittled. unbrittled sounds so much better that I'm bridled. You see a lot of that sounds like you're getting a divorce. unbridled. That's a divorce. Or so unbridled. Yeah, Oh, yeah, I know. We were like we were really in love and then the last moment she just decided to unbridle herself. I'm talking about dude anyway. So the math man, unless Virginia, I hate everything about you. Yeah, okay, just what he'll is actually pronounced wheel. I. This is crazy to me. Whole life is a lie. Ritcholie Broccoli, who know? Okay, the moth man. So in the S and West Virginia and point age man. Yeah, and point pleasant, West Virginia. Okay, the mad age man. I just let us do that in waste Virginia. I don't understand. I'm still suck on this. Is the fact that you're just like, did you know that the word is pronounced this way? Is actually pronounced this way. I cannot believe you. So in something point West Virginia. Yeah, point pleasant, West Virginia. In the mid s this some called NASASTERIA kicked in, okay, around the Mothman, and it lasted until one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven December. There's an extrade seven years. December fifteen nineteen sixty seven is the last sighting of it. Cut It cut off, and there's a reason for that. We'll get to it. They shot a guy, kill the guy in the street and they're like, we got a bunch of moths flew out of his chest. No, he wasn't the moth man. They just decided that this was the sacrifice to them off. He's the scapegoat. Yeah, escape moth so on November feteen, nineteen and sixty six. So it was a really short massest area. Okay, so where begins as a year. Yeah, there was two young couples, Roger and Linda scarberry and Steven Mary Millette. We're driving in the backwoods outside of point pleasant. Point Pleasant Small Town West Virginia, right on the Ohio border. About four thousand people lived there, right, cool, so small town. They're driving through the backwoods, through what they call the TNT area, because this area blows up all the time. You're just drive around it, it just explodes. Yeah, they were lie. Hey, guys, you would be a point double date. Let's test our fate. Yeah, let's see if we blow up over there. No, it's called the temt area because it is the location of the Old West Virginia Ordinance Works, Ordnance Works. Did you know Ordinance or Dinnance is Pronounced Ordinance? You know, ordinance doesn't have an eye in it. Like, I'm literally just out of everything. This is well, like I feel like it Ordinance, Ordinance. Yeah, there should be an eye after that D yeah, because if you say ordinance, yeah, How do you say ordinance? I think there is an eye in it. There should be, but there's not. I'm looking at the wikipedia article right now. Yeah, well, with Ordinance Media Dude, that's a fun game. Just go on wikipedia and misspell some words. Ordinance. Okay, anyways, and so it was. Why is okay, here's our fun tangent. All right, at engined. Why is it pronounced? Boundary? Yeah, ordinary. I forgot. I was going, wait, is it not? You gonna say boundary? Boundaries? No, I'm saying boundaries, boundaries. Boundary is the one that's wrong. Okay, so wait, ordinary ordinance. No, ordinary, but we say boundary, boundary and not or don'tary bounds stuff. Yeah, bound why is it pronounced like ordinary? Or what are other words that end at that? It's because, literally, I know exactly why. I know exactly why. Because ordinary. If you're going to say ordinary, it's IT'S A it's a real conversation. will say ordinary. But if you're going to say boundary, you're angry. You're like, you know, you and Freish on a bound tree. So I'm asking your Legiti I should ask a less stupid person. You're right, this is my fault. This is my fault. I shouldn't bring complex when you're trying to talk about, you know, West Virginian mythical creatures. All Right, I'm this is my this is on me. This is my fault. All right, sorry about this. In drink. Let's talk about this ord dance. So West Virginia Ordinance Works was a United States immunition facility during World War II that actually definitely helps develop the nuclear bombs and what's well, the atom bombs. Yes, so they were. They were they cooking out some in the tea area because, yeah, they were like, they're like, yeah, there's a lot of like big booms over there. It was the bombs were going off of it. I also thought it would be going to be the mines, but no, no, yeah, so they were just me. Okay, they are manufacturing bobs for the war and in the forty pieces for the atom bombs. And by the by the S it was shut down. It wasn't active, but everyone still called the temt area because you know, it names. Take nickname stick. And so while they were driving through, they spotted overhead Um what they described as a six foot man, like ficker with a six. Okay, you know that it's pronounced figure right. I mean I don't know how many more episode could do with you saying it this wrong. How was supposed to say it? Figure, figure, Yep, that's gross. It's figger. Okay. So they I don't like how casual you were telling the story either. Or you're like well, and then they spotted above them a six foot like you were like you get it, and are they saying that? This is this? And they said it's looks like a man. Yeah, man and shaped, man like creature, floating, flying, lying, flying. It has a ten foot wings band, as what they assumed as soon as a ten foot wingspan, six foot size man with glowing red eyes flying, I've heard of above their above their the car, and it spooked them and so Steve was like, Roger, drive faster, and so he did, Roger, drive faster. It's ked. So you know, they're driving to the West Virginia Mountains. They see a six foot, you know, man looking thing flying ten feet above them and their response was Roger, drive faster. So anyway, they're running through the Canyon hills back. You know, I don't like how casually you're telling stories and Throordan stupid details. So they're trying to get out of their faces, trying to get another especial as we can rogers says he was driving a hundred miles an hour down this backwoods road in the S. that's fast. Kind of car. Let's go with assass it's babs Oars Rocket Car, and the Mothman was keeping up with them, flying like along the back round with them in the TNT area of beater. See, they escape narrowly and they get to the police station at too am and the local police station to am tell what they saw, the five police report, and the police like weren't just like, Oh, have you guys been drinking tonight? Like they filed the report and they sent the car out there trying to find we'll check it out. Yeah, well, like we're going to find them. And then they had him sketch. I should have got this Guy's sketch of the Mothman. Yeah, so they were like they're like, can you sketch the Mothman for us, which I'll pull it up real quick. This is if you were like one of those local news reports where it's like they it's just a stick figure with wings. It's like, Oh yeah, we got a lot to go off of here. So they had rogers sketch it, like can you sketch it to the best of your recollition? Recollection? Okay, good, can I do research? Should we give up like, I can't. Would you drink a bang recollition? I don't know what's going on. Man. anyways, here's the moth man as Rogers. Yeah, I know for sure. Understand. So you're saying that he's got like volucherous hips, real wide. Yeah, no feet. No feet. Well, he was flying so fast it could it tell if you had any feet. And he just has this huge body like it almost kind of looks like an elephant, like just ahead of an elephant. Is what the picture looks like. Yeah, with two trunks and no arms, no face, just these big dots where ahead might be sure, and then these weird wings color in the background. He's like he wants you to know it's night, and I love that he signed it. I love these. Is there. You gonna frame this or put this in the put the he put the date down with the top poss sketch of moth man. Moth man me by witness, Roger. Roger, let me de'll check what his name is. Roger, hurry it scarberry. Yeah, and he signed it. So, yeah, this is a picture on a little like. I mean it's got three whole punched on the side there off. Yeah, okay, yeah, interesting picture. The police were like will keep an eye. Like yeah, we're gonna go find him. So they went out to the TV find him. But I'm saying like will watch, will post this all around town, yeah, just in case anyone else sees this six foot moth man. And then also has to be like, I don't know, is that the one from the sketch? And so this hit the local news and one of the Editors called it the Mothman. That wasn't the initial ciriginal name of it. They everyone called it a the large bird man at first. The large bird man. Yeah, the large to the normal size. That's what I'm saying. They have a regular bird man that's already ben he's not even a threat. Birds are small. Nobody likes birds. He's a bird size of man. All he's doing is chirping on the street corner and trying to get coins that you throw into his little bird hat. You know, he just out there like here you go, bird man, you know, and they're like holy yew, like there's a large bird man. You're telling me there's a large bird man out here. Did you know it's perhaps large doesn't even make sense. There's no J so a Larg yeah, and so because Batman the TV series was super popular, he's like we need to make it something like. Is the branding issue? Yeah, it's a mock man. Yes, he bringed the moth man and that's stuck. Yeah, but a lot of the locals were like this doesn't make any sense because they described him as having feathered wings. Like they they're like his wings are feathery. They're not locals and I looked out of seen him. Yeah, and so so this actually looks spread like it wasn't just the scarberries and whatever the knowledge. The scarboros were the first one to make her first ones. Yeah, well, just say that they saw it was the first like sighting recorded siding. Yeah, and then after that a ton of people around town reported seeing the Mothman, and so people who knew what they were talking about were like, yeah, this is matts hysteria, this is some of the scarberries and the MAW. It's Mida saw something in the woods. But everybody else after that like this just a suggestion that it exists. But for about a year all these reports were coming in where people like I'm seeing the moth man, there's the moth man out there. They're freaking out. Yeah, because, I mean he's kind of scary, like he's a big the big man, large bird. He's a large man flying around with his bright red eyes and no mouth or arms or anything like that. There's no evidence outside of it's just the sayings. 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One thousand nine hundred and sixty seven, and then everyone was just like yeah, let's Stop Worried about this Mothman thing, because and way they were just like, Hey, guys, it's over. We term about the guys. But a year one brought up there. Here, see the open hey, we're done with that. Yeah, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MOTHMAN. Yeah, anymore. December fifteen, de Sember fifteen, one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven. It's a most Christmas time. We need a new shuttling to sell this off. It's no. The Silver Bridge, which is the bridge that Crossdale Ohio River, connecting point pleasant, West Virginia, with glapa glap Polis, Ohio, J Jolly Polis. Okay, it collapsed and so this bridge and it was it was, it was really bad. Forty six people died. Oh my gosh. So it was like full of people. Yeah, yeah, so this is a two thousand foot bridge crossing the river, and so there's a bunch of people like driving across the river and it just collapsed. The whole thing went down the water. I think it was like sixty eight people went in into the river, plunge into the river, and for forty five of them died. So obviously this giant tragedy, especially like locally, like the it's right in town, so everybody that lived there was pretty, pretty heavily impacted. It's a small town too. But what kind of ended it was? A bunch of locals reported that That Day they saw the Mothman flying around the the bridge and so and then after the bridge collapse nobody saw him anymore. So the theory is that he lived under the bridge. It was that the Mothman did it, not that the Mothman did it. But here's here's I think there's two sides of why it quit. One I think everyone was like this is a tragedy and like this is a bigger deal than some Mothman flying around town. Like they're just like, we're not concerned about that, that, yeah, we have real things to worry about now. Yeah, but I think what what a lot of other people kind of believed was that he was almost like like a symbol or like trying to warm people of the disaster that was coming, and so this Mothman was flying around trying to be like some warms a hero. Yeah, he's like a prophet. He's prophesying that whole year he's like he can't say he's a flying by the pope and in his mind he's like just no, the bridge is gonna fall. You know's like if I just chanse people away from the bridge, maybe they'll stop using I don't see. Yeah, okay, yeah, so, so that's one side of it. The A lot of other people though he did it. They think he is like he's like this evil force that like perpetuated it, because what happened with the bridge is there was a so they didn't they didn't build it like most modern bridges. They have like a lot of layers of redundancy where if like parts of it break, it's still going to be fine, right. This was an older bridge where they didn't think of that yet, right. Well, the reason they think about now is because of things like that. Yeah, yeah, and so one of the one of the bolts, had cracked in it and it was like a I don't know how long. The Bolt was, a couple meters. I don't know what a meter is. This big cracked and then it collapsed, obviously, and so what some people say is that he tampered with that bolt. I don't know. Okay, so, just to be clear, this thing is a large bird man. Oh and with it's not hands, it goes and tampers of the bridge. Well, I mean, here's the deal that picture has. I'm not having hands, but a lot of people think he has hands. Here's a depiction. Well, is a good time. Here's a depiction of what it was really other sightings outside of point pleasant. No, it's just point pleasant. Point pleasant is Momn, we're moth man, shut up, and this is this is what they a lot of people describe him as looking like worse. Yeah, so it's honestly like, if you imagine what I let's top there's a person for referees. Yeah, and he's pretty happy to be here. Is Waving. Who Hello. Well, you know what that is? Is that this is one of those mascots at Disney, and that's the person has to walk with it to make sure kids aren't pulling on the costume stuff. Yeah, the best way to think of it is like sasquatch with wings and like a that eye mask. But it's sasquatch with wings, and the picture was taking on like a two thousand two digital camera, those eyes came up red. Yeah, that's that's the way I would describe it. So a lot of people describe them as having arms. It was just that first guy. Okay, it's like it was like yeah, he's just drew my which you can see the he drove home and he's like, he's like, Nancy, I forgot to draw their arms on moth man. Well, why would he draw like this if he's in the sky? Is that how he's flying? Is just just like a torpedo? Yeah, I don't know, know. I fly these arms back, wings, straight back and just you know. Yeah, maybe, I mean that's how I maybe, I don't know. So they decided that he did. He may he had something to do with the bridge thing. Yeah, yeah, everyone had their opinion either, but everyone's opinion involved him being involved. Yeah, pretty much, or her, we don't know. Yeah, that's true. We're assuming that was on us. Yeah, that's our be yeah. So, so the the bridish claps and everybody in input puss. It was like, yeah, it's we're over it. He mop and probably did it or probably warning US, who knows? And then it just kind of disappeared for about five years until I got by the name of Gray Barker, which is a fake name. That's it. That's his real name. It just sounds fake, doesn't it? Gray Barker. He's a ufologist and paranormal phenomena enthusiast, phenomena, phenomena, but he wrote a book called Mothman, called the truth about the moth man. No, it, no, he wrote. Oh No, he just introduced it to a wider audience. He to write a book about him. He introduced the Mothman to a wider audience. Talked about it on his podcast. Okay, be serious, please, just he just talked about comments on this one are going to be stupid. He just leaves beast. Just tell the story. Well, he just talked about it in like the press or whatever they do for you apologists, you know, like he talked about the Mothman and everyone's like, What's This Mothman? Hey, newspapers, I've got a story for you. You guys. Ever heard of the moth maybe? Yeah, that's pretty close to probably happen. And so five years later he's going around different newspapers. is or a magic there's no different. But out a press release. Okay, all the WIKIPEDIA says. He brought it to a water audience and then John Keel, five years later, he puts out a book and the Books Called The Mothman Prophecies. Okay. And so his theory is that the Mothman is a prophe Sire, a prophet, if you will. He's a prophet and he shows up wherever a disaster happens. He's present to warn every one of the disaster. Oh really, the problem is he can't. Can you want other disasters that he wasn't there for? Well, the problem is he can't communicate. So he just kind of flies around. He's just he's a guys, look what's happening. That's right. Okay, yeah, because, I mean one of the other evidences there, though, was he had other disasters. Well, I don't know what he he references in his book. But since then, believers in in the the Mothman Prophet idea, the John Keeley and view, if you will, is say that he was at the Chernobyl meltdown. Some people said that they sided him there, which I don't know if there was. Some people from so he was a poor an atal point pleasant. Yeah, yeah, some other believers that that they so we saw him. But in order to believe in this theory, then right, let's just play it out for a full year he's warning this small town in West Virginia about a bridge. Yeah, and then he's like there's a nuclear melt down about to happen and just trek in his way over. Well, he doesn't fight, he doesn't move his arms like that one. He flies still for the Atlantic Ocean. And then Chernobyl. Yeah, and he was apparently there at the Chernoel Meltown Rushia and then and then I also was apparently at nine hundred and eleven. was funding on there. So you know, I don't know about all that, but you don't know about you're going to leave that as a possibility your I don't know about all that. It's possible, it's not. But okay, I don't know about all that. Were you talking about? So the idea is that he's he prophesized disasters and sure shows up, hangs out for a little bit, tries to warn everyone and then it happens that he just kind of I don't like all Ries my I tried and then leaves and goes the next one. I don't know. So whether some people say he's done the other side, what if just bad luck follows him everywhere? Yeah, he goes somewhere. He's like I kind of like livings, like he's great and fresh. Style laps. He's like gotta move again. I hear Russia's Nice saying, yeah, it could be he's just very misunderstood by the universe. But yeah, so some people call him like the harbinger of death, because like some people call them, some people as will you drop that nickname? You know, a lot of people call him moth man. Some people are like a large bird guy, other people call him charcoal Gary, and then also some people call the Harper of death. Okay, yeah, yeah, there's that. Anyways, there's a lot of theories about what moth man actually is. Here's what we know. Okay, he's described as being the the description ranges between six feet tall and about six feet tall. The Wingspan is where the ranges. I got that backwards. The range for the wingspans between six feet and ten feet. Some people think it's much larger, and there's there's a few theories. There was a guy, a local, who was convinced, yeah, that it was a let me double check and make sure I get this species correct. If he's six feet tall, then it's six foot. Why? Like a wingspan is not? It doesn't make sense. Not Huge. Yeah, do you know how long? Did you know that all the dashes in the middle of the highway are a minimum of six feet long? M Do you know that? Yes, because your eyes can't process fast. It's because your eyes aren't prophetic, prophet, so yours process pro no, like there. Yeah, ever, all the yellow and white ashes are. So that's why I'm saying is that it's not that big. Right, we're right, because when you're driving those look really small. Yeah, and then if you add distance up, you know, I just looks like a normal how how wide is a Bald Eagles Wingspan? Let's get up. I think it's probably about six feete. That's where I was. That's where I'm thinking. I'm like, that's got to be a good it's there a big old place that sells bald eagles bagels. You just said that, seems like, because you said you all Google pronounced Babel wrong twice in that sentence. You said biggles and Bagels, Bagel. That's how you pronounce it, Bagel, Bagel. Yeah, I'm saying the same thing. Yeah, I know, but you were walking through all the vowels. You like Bagel and Boggle, Bugle, okay. So, Oh, a bugles, a Bald Eagle is between five and seven feet right span. So that's why I was a standard wingspan for large how wide are their bodies? Very thin. Yeah, like a foot or so. Use Guessing. Yeah, I'm just Boll parkting. Very thing. It's very thing that before it is that six foot wingspan is the size of a Bald Eagle. That's not a few it's not gigantic for a large part. So it's believable that this is a large part, and that's why a Robert L Smith, a biologist at West Virginia University, was convinced that it was a sandhill crane, which does have a wingspan of about six feet and red eyes. Actually. So the Sandhill Crane, what they have is they have this like red spot around their eyes and they're about four feet tall and they are known to fly as far inland as West Virginia. So this biologist was convinced that this was what they saw. The pool of the other picture of the similarities are a kidney to the yeah, no, one more time. Yeah, I want you see it. You can't UN see it. You know I'm saying. I mean it looks exactly the same. It looks exactly the same, and so he literally went around like reporting, like he was like, Hey, it's a sandhill crane, it's the same sandhill crane, and they were like who are you? You know, and he was like, I'm just a biologist, and they were like but a nighttime at yeah, yeah, you're about six feet tall. Turns into are yeah, does it call? Well, I mean, that's guess. It's a moth. What's that? The moths make are moths made of dust? Like, when's the last time you killed a moths? What did you just say? Why are moth dusty? I guess, if you really think about it, aren't? We all made it because but the powder is actually tiny scales made from modified hairs, because they're powdery. Yeah, I mean you know, like when you when you crush them off, they literally turned to dust. I don't crush him, though, okay, I trap them a little thing with the paper and I let him loose in my neighbor's house. M Okay, it's like you just didn't react to that. That's pretty fun. You just you were just like, okay, it's actually this is interesting. That says that it's actually like a protective camouflage and air quotes, because scent and everything. Well, no, because it like cheets predators. So if a Predator ties to eat it, it just turns the dust and the predators like I don't want to eat that, like I'm not gonna eat something like imagine going to wait, Paul, like abding in your Brito. It just turns the dust when you bite it, but it doesn't protect you. It just protects other moths. Well, yeah, I mean it's like it's like it so like it's somethin that Lizard as he slow moth and for tasted tear, like yeah, that's not even the thing. Like it's just won't eat. Basically dusty. It doesn't help you. Yeah, it's a communal their communal species. All rights right about to protect the whole. So we're convinced that this is do you, but I want to say we're convinced. I'd say Robert L Smith is convinced. What are you believe? Love telling podcast? Want to support the show? Well, you can support us by buying till and podcast march and wearing it out in the wild. We have tea's, hoodies, shirts and so much more, and our merch store we also have exclusive march for every single episode, but those are limited, so make sure you get a while you can't take tilling to six, six, eight hundred and sixty six to support the show. Thank you so much. Here's what by and this is another prevailing theory that a lot of people have, and he his. I mean owls. It's always owls. It's always owls. I don't know why we did think of and I mean look at the picture, like that's the picture of an owl. To An owl, it was just a large owl. And here's the thing. Here's the thing about owls. When you shine a light in an OWL's eyes, they turn red. They turned that bright red. They all do. Yeah, and there's actually this SPECIEC's just google image owls with red eyes and then just put the whole search window up there. Okay, although I want to see as many pictures as possible. Owls is red eyes, oh my gosh. Well, oh, that's spooky, Dude. Look at that first one. Yeah, that's rough. And so there's a thing with the bag. Is that? Because I mean, yeah, that's huge, man. This how you pronounce that? The STIGIAN Stegen in whats in West Virginia I don't know. Well, yeah, it is horn owls, aard owl like there. Yeah, it's more an owls. The Horn owls can get a six foot wingspan and they can be UPTI I think it's three foot and length. And so if you see this thing Flye at you in the TNT area, you've been out with your friends driving in your fifty seven Chevrolet, little tipsy like, but that's take out the bridge. It just pecked at the thing into that cracked it. Owls are terrifying. Yeah, there, Shit, look at that one. That was quite one with the product. I I'm saying, like the top one. That's like that. Look all there. That is going to be in my nightmares. Sin. Yeah, owls are scary. That's spooky me. So owls, owls are aliens. Owls are the moth man, like like okay, like, yeah, that's it, like that's that's what he saw. That's a hundred percent. That's it. Yeah, so it's I think it's most likely owls, but I will say it's probably a prophetic all, it can see, it can see the future. Well then get it out of here. Yeah, but that's I mean, that's what that is. That's an now, that's that's a hundred percent now. Yeah, so a lot of people. Yeah, it's an awl. Well, it kind of vanished from point pleasant. What are model and troopers? Troopers truther's true, there's old the mafia, okay, but it kind of disappeared from point pleasant culture and then even from point from popular culture in general a little while after John Kills Book in the S, until two thousand and two when a film was released that was inspired by John Kills Book starring Richard Gear, you say, like starring John Travolta, and I think it was by the same name. It was. I think it was the Mothman Prophecies. Yeah, Mothman Prophecies, which, let me see what I got on rutten tomatoes. So in two thousand and two kind but I'm order, like, does this town like do a are they bright? Got Branding on it? You don't saying like they like souvenirs and stuff? We can get to that. I went to point pleasant, West Virginia, to see the Mothman and all I got was this shirt. You know, it got a fifty two percent on rotten tomatoes. Hey, it's better than other films. Yeah, so it's actually I got is actually and we're love for rotten tomatoes to review one of my things, but they won't. So principle it's been canceled by rotten tomatoes. So the story Christian beliefs. I'm being persecuted by rotten tomatoes. So the story is gear. Richard Gear plays John John Kline Oh who is a reporter who is researching the moth fan after his wife's mysterious death. And it was decently popular in two thousand and two, so much so that the city of the town point pleasant was like, let's get some tours in cash. Yeah, so her Y. Yeah, everybody there. They're like, well, you know, once a month we just pay someone to go out in this giant mock man costume and chase kids around and just it's getty. Doesn't imagine that you just like, you're just like outside, this is the guy that's your out in the bar spoken. Well, I guess in the you could just be inside the bar smoking, but imagine you're out, the bar kicks open and there's a guy. There's a guy. Just why? They're just like yeah, he lives here. Yep. Well, I found a my house, but then I caught him and I let him loose in my maid's now he just looks there. I crushed me, turned to dust and came back. I know you're superp follow them with a broom everywhere. He's so dusty. We called it dusty. Oh, yeah, old dusty. Yeah, it's round here somewhere. You know him, Musty, Dusty, Mothman. So what tourism stuff that they do? Yeah, I watch an interview. I watch an interview with one of the like like county clerks there. It is how far off, like a main highway? Are they? Let me look at like a highway that people are traveling on. I watched an interview with like a like a county clerk, and he said before two thousand and two he said, if you came to town and you wanted someone to talk to, someone who didn't believe in the Mothman, he would say yeah, talk to it. Literally anybody in town. Cool, nobody believes in him. And then he said too of them too. The movie came out and if you want to talk to someone who doesn't believe in the Mothman, like you can't talk to anybody here. We all believe in him now, but like they all believe in it it's like a yeah, we all yeah, it's real. I made that joke when I did the I did a college and Beaver Dam, Wisconsin and it was a technical college. So it was all like, you know, plumbers, electricians, all that kind of stuff. They're all they all look the same. They are all wearing ball caps, yep, jeans and then whatever that Tan work jacket is, right, are all like classes that they and I thought it was funny. They didn't laugh at it, but I because I am dressed like I live in a city right. Yeah, and I said it looks like I hung a sign at the coffee shop that says Alien Truth Ors and I'm just here to get your stories. And then is laugh at that. Still think is pretty funny. That is it looks like we're finding big foot right now. That's really funny. They laughed at other stuff. We got them, but we got them. We ended up getting them. We were friends. Yeah, they were cool. So the the town is it's right off highway thirty five. Okay, but that's not an interstate highway. So the next I'm thinking like travel and yeah, so, so probably a lot of people driving down that. The next biggest highways, interst sixty four, which is about an hour outside of sus, was a so you go out of your way to yeah, to be where moth man that come to mof land. So I do they have owls there? They do. They do have owls there. They have a lot of owls. So they have a lot of owls and not one time was anyone like you know what you know this is. So what are they? So we're they're trying to get people off the highway then to come to their small town. Hum. But I mean like just because the people like what you want. It's not tourism experience to go to a town where everyone believes in something dumb. You know, I saw a twoso experience. So here's what he's like, Hey, come off the highway, we're dumb. What are you? So they started, they started that year two thousand and two. They started the Mathman Festival, and so basically they do all this like they do a paray. They have like the you can buy a bunch of moths and stuff. I don't know, like there's a bunch of moth man like themed things all that week. And they actually said that during the Mathman festival they assume that main street which is where the festival takes place, and they're look like historical lown and stuff, but will collapse. They've build a fake main street that at the end of the festival. Just that's horrible. No, they estimate that during Mathman festival every year main street brings in about two million dollars, which they said it's way more than it'll bring in the rest of the year. Yeah, and so a lot of people come from out of town for this. It's still going event. Yeah, still goes to this year. I mean, I guess it hasn't happened for the last couple of years, but when doesn't happen? Um, sure, hold on the way you said like that. H Sure, if only you had a device in front of you to Google. will stun September, seventeen and eighteen. Hey, what are you doing my plans that far? I'm in Texas. That that's a Saturday Sunday. I'm it sexus the sixteen. I can fly over meet me. Hey, what don't you meet me in point pleasant? So, yeah, they have like a bunch of life bands, like food, get a near TNT. I forgot all about the DNT thing. Oh, this is a fun thread. What was that. I forgot all about the ttving. Oh, why are you do? What is wrong with you today? I don't know, man, what's the teething? So before everyone was that it's play. Now they thought it was like a reaction to Thea. They thought was a mutant they got. Yeah, for sure, that's what I thought whenever you said that. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. They ammute. They have like there is an area and they Ohio River which had like this Red Mucas in it from they were just dumping their nuclear waste in the Ohio River. Oh, because they didn't realize at that time that you probably shouldn't do that yet. Yeah, that was before that was before Orsian do that yet. Yeah, mob, that was like, wait until the bridge happens. Got Wait a few years for the dump your nuclear waste. Doctor. And so there was Kart of like whatever, you get left overs. I'm got release way right now support of the fridge. When I'm looking away. In three days on open up a most of him, I'm just say, Oh, I throw them out. I was a bad yeah, so, same story. So Reagan has so many leftovers in my fridge. I make or eat them. Sometimes I was all of guard leftovers. We've been all guarded months. We she's out of the tables and I bring her five to go. Buy Goes, what would you like for dinner? She was one of all this. I said, eat it, all this is I'm not hitting it as eating with a red lobster three years ago. That's in my fridge. Eat that, eat that. She opens it. It's it's all. It's all plasticed over like the plastic. Yeah, yeah, uh, girls, yeah, I hate this. So the there was a there was a lot of theories that it may be it was one of these owls, but it mutated and got larger, or the Sandhill craneitm you take, got larger, or a local buy local boy swimming of the river. Mutated, got larger. Mom, MOM Jays, sorry, out of the the TT zone. Now they just dropped them off on the side of the highway in a box nearly here. Belongs to the woods of West Virginia. Oh yeah, his moth powers made him see the future. He just wait. He's at breakfast and he's like, mom, don't drive the bridge to work today. Put your wings down on side breakfast, knocking stuff off the walls. He's like well, I just want some more Bacon, sh I'll get it. You stay sad down, I'll get it. Could he not put the wings down? Just always as mom, it's like opening the feathers, like long, these twos, like he's run too fast. Actually takes off playing, playing the Little League football, and his coaches like you gotta tie those down when we play. Gonna fly away. It's a penalty. Every time they have a new they have a new rule of little league. No flying. What false, false human defense number, the costume fit of Jersey number. No, mom, you guys know number one dust. So so they thought it was a mutant. Possibly, yeah, maybe, which could be. But the festival, the festival got really big and so a couple years later they commissioned a statue to be built of the Mothman in town center. Oh No, and we're stretched. They go with the main one, the main one. Well, they built the statue and I watched the interview with this kind of Clark talking about it. Picture of yeah, the county clerk was like, yeah, we hated the statue. We thought it was so tom and the mayor, of course, had the dedicat it and so he at this speech that he was just like whatever, and so he was like thank you for coming to the festival. In other new we have a few announcements. The there's that. It's over here. We started crash away. Yeah, we'll see you guys tomorrow, I guess you guys. And now unveiling dusty. It's made out of iron and it rained yesterday. Rusty, dusty. Well, he said that they before the speech, they were in the courthouses whenever to do this. Well, the county clerk will like walked outside and there was like tons of local area news people, like not even just like local, but like from Charleston and from Huntsville and like they drove in to see the dedication and he came back and he's like, Hey, I think you need to work on your speech a little longer. And so he's like they made kind of an event out of it, like and made it, the speech better last minute, because he's like he was going to go out and do the whole thing. He's all right, that's all right. He's in the room just doing like that and then just goes out and turns it on. He's a showman. Yep, you know, because I like welcome, it's your point pleasant, West Virginia. The year was nineteen's sixty six. My father, Roberts scarberry, and his best friend Steve Driving down a dark, bendy road. Lasts in the sky, a local boy. Okay, he's doing a whole. Yeah, yeah, pretty accurate. Well, this was the statue that they put on on Main Street. Oh God, it's terrifying. It is this ten foot ripped, eight past yoked man with like this really odd chest hair pattern and like gigantic, like three gigantic clod fingers. He's got like a little burden mouth. This looks like he would be the villain in as movie. Yeah, he does in a s Batman. Yeah, yeah, exact, but to hold his wings or he looks like he's about to be like it's turbo tie or whatever, the Jankle all the way. Yeah, actually, that's actually it looks like he's yeah, it looks like the bad guy in there. So, yeah, that's tear terrifying. What are they named him? Terry, Terry the terrifying moth man. Yeah, and he's got the and he's just on Main Street. Yeah, just in the center, like in the median like welcome to welcome to point pleasant. Imagine, is this pleasant? Right, you're just driving on I sixty four whatever. It's over there. Right, you take a wrong turn, like this is weird. Where are? where? Where setimes like point pleasant. Turn the court. You're like, well, okay, let's find the town center from there. Maybe maybe a business will be open. Yeah, you turn the corner. This thing is that's legitimately terrified. That's scary. So and this look anything like that? Yeah, it's also kind of got dreadlocks, which is an interesting touch. Oh, that is that? Yeah, why did they do just notice that? I don't know. Probably because, like, I think they did this around the time of the alien movies. Yeah, it does look it looks. It looks very yeah, but is that what it Look Like in the Mothman Movie? I don't know. Actually get this. So they opens. They opened up a Mothman Museum in downtown too, for the festival. Really, here's The statue, so this is the statue you just get to see. Used to happen upon in public for free. Here's The statue that you have to pay for. Those that listening, it looks like you would go to, you know, those Halloween spirit stores, right, yeah, that pop up and it's like this. The the face on this looks like like a costume mask, like it looks rubbery. It looks yeah, it definitely looks like rubber. This baldy eyes and then the teeth. It's a costume. It's a costume. So, yes, it's meant to me worn. Yeah, it does not like designed and built by something fodder, scarberry, something, something, students got some weird fur around the waistline. I love it. It's so bad. It reminds me of it's also next to one of those stuffed Animal Vinda clow games. Yeah, the clock game thing's like literally right next to it. Yeah, it's like and it's chained up, like they chained it to these little pylons, but Jackson Mo homes was still doing tick it. You know. Here this reminds me so much of the alien from people of Earth. You put this in here. Why did you put this in here? What is it's just like it's just like it anyways. So they've capitalized off of it. They make a lot of money off of the moth man every year or anythink that's going to last? I don't know. As Long As the Mothman's prophesizing disasters I mean, I guess he's still doing. A certain point you guys start making disasters happen. You know, certain point you gotta be like well, yeah, so he's a scary guy. I guess I've been depending on which, which depiction of him you're using. But yes, the British collaps. Oh, he was also at the swine flu outbreak in Mexico. When that hit Mexico, he was there. He actually originated coronavirus. And then the most recent was in two thousand and seventeen, apparently, like twenty sightings came from Chicago. They saw him, which the very next day the Dave Matthews River bringing for incident happened. He was like he'sa nobody be on the boat, but he can't say it. You know, he's they're like the next day, man, Yep, so lost dusted. So that's that's the moth man. They got moth dusted and bust dusted. You know, Wow, that's the Mothman. That's the Mothman. Jeez, he's here's the craziest part of the legend. They say that if you drive down into the TNT area at night and you bring pieces of the old bridge there where are you going with this? I don't know if I like this one. Bring piece of the old bridge and you you hit them together and come together like rhythmically. If you hit them rhythmically, you'll hear a final off. Did you know it's pronounced fiddle? Things on the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. 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Skinwalker Ranch – The Hub Of Paranormal Activity In America

03-22-22

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Hey Man, trying to like look hot when we start or something. What are you doing that with your jaw? You do whatever you think. You Look Hot, don't you? What's up? Have you ever heard of skinwalker ranch? Skin Walker ranch and Walker and, yeah, that sounds like what they put on my salad at Texas roadhouse. What skinwalker? Right, he's like some skinwalker. Yeah, yeah, a southwest dressing. Its gross. It's gross. Yeah, yeah, someone offers you a ranch dressing called skinwalker. Do what seems like a Zombie theemed restaurant. That's what they give you with the with the human wings. Hmm, where they called that? What do you think they would call him? Fully and JI's? Maybe fully and jefully and he's skin Walker ranch. Okay, am I gonna regret all these jokes? I don't know what Skin Walker ranches. No, you're going to regret this episode. Is that an alien thing? Okay, so this has been recommended to US bottle people, a lot of people, patrons and non patrons, like an alien thing. I mean aliens. There's there's a van Diagram and aliens. Aren't it? Great things I learned last night. All right, well, sorry, if you're watching this, I know first of all, we should also say to all the people who find these stupid episodes, let me just dress the camera. All right, don't comment and be like couldn't make a seven minutes it. Just leave, just go. You can do your free let me release you from there. Let me spiritually you can go here, all right. So just to me. I want to say something. I want your switching me. I want to know what you think about it. It helps me understand. Are we hitting the mark? No, hating? No, because people think that their feedbacks important. So we got all these comes. I couldn't tell if it's a comedy show. It's it's a comedy show. Should this is a podcast and we're we're not as acknowledgeable as you want us to be. It's also so it's Nice and look at me in the face right now. move out of your mom's house. She works hard. You're a grown person. Get a job, all right. So, Skin Walker ranch. Go ahead, this skin worker ranch. So this is a skin walker definitely means aliens and human form A. That's a hundred percent. What that means depends who you ask. I like my skin Walker ranch idea, though. That's fun. We should open a Zombie theme restaurant. Yeah, that actually does sound kind of fun. So there's a place in Utah called skin wallker ranch. It's AKA Western or eastern Utah, a little ways outside of Salt Lake City, probably about an hour or so. I haven't looked that up. I'm just as a Mormon thing. Yeah, the Mormans we call God's Gods and human skin walkers. Yeah, that's pretty close. Actually IT'S IN UTAH. So it's in Utah. It's just this ranch. It's pretty long. It's long large, five hundred and twelve acres, so a very large ranch. Okay, and it's had for owners since inception, since the movie. Nobody owners as this house had since in such a came of thousand and eleven. Is that one? Inception came out with to do not very many unders reception. So you're telling me this lands cycled through some people. Yeah. So, so here's the deal. So we'll go backwards through time real quick. In two thousand and sixteen, branded food go all bought it through his Shell company add mantium holdings, basically like a real estate investment firm. Sure, and so he's had it since two thousand and sixteen before that, was Robert Bigelow. He bought it in one thousand nine hundred and ninety six had it for about twenty years. He is the he's a multimillionaire esm and net worth like seven hundred million dollars. Your last name of like she's seven her million. Yeah, seven hundred million. It's seven billion. And I was like, Whoa hold on, I don't know who our bigelow. Robert Bigelow. That sounds like he wears a track suit ever where he goes. You know, Mr Biggelow, would you like us to get to bring your car around here? Right, it's so. He owns the hotel chain, budget sweets. It sounds right. Yeah, so he owns the hotel chain. That's how he got his money. And then he also found a bigelow aerospace. He does a lot of government contracts building or engineering, designing new jets and stuff for they do the military, I mean the government, spend so much money on that. Yeah, and should make jets. You and I too, former podcasters, left the dream behind. Two film prodcast is spotted in the desert next to a day just blowing stuff up, and turns out that they are prodigies. So and then Robert Bigelow has his. Like you think they would refer to us as podcasters? Do you think that they would know who we are? Tick Tock Star and his friends, spotty desert and his friend. I love that. Okay, and so, and Robert Bigelow also has like a research institute that he runs just personally. Before that the Shermans own it, Terry and Gwen Sherman, but they bought it in nine ninety four, sold in nineteen ninety six, five years. They were like come out, two years, two years, Oh, ninety four to ninety six. Yeah, bad. So they weren't there very long. And then before that was Kenneth and Edith Myers and they had owned it since nineteen thirty four. Oh, she's so, about sixty years. They built the ranch. They were first people there. Yeah, well, they went to first people there, but they were first people to show up and be like this is our land now and we're building stuff. Right, you're so? The Mormon's had been there since the sixteen hundreds. Yeah, and so I don't know where the more wins didn't it didn't mormonism just get created like, I don't know, five years ago? So like that, I created in the fiel, thinks eighteen hundreds. I think it was eighteen hundreds, I think so. All right, yeah, because he found that like golden eyeglass out in the woods. Yeah, anyways, dipped it in some skin walker range dipping an eye watch. Anyway, whatever I watch, I class whatever go on, go on and so so. Not Very many owners, he was what's interesting. So what way? I mean, I'm most interested in the people who owned it for two years. Yeah, they bought the light. Should be so so here. Well, we'll roll the clock back. Before any of these people owned it, though, this was cute tribal land. Yeah, for I mean a long time, but for us right. And they there is a legend in you tribal history that at one point they got into a bit of a conflict with the Navajo people and Navajos cursed their land in the UNITA based, or Uinta Uinta, I think that's how you pronounce it, the Uinta Basin. Okay, they curse that land. Where are the ranches? Where the ranches with hold on, let me, let me. I MMM, what are you doing when you get where you when you're Google is other to you. Just run through the vowels you just go a I hmm, you do what, you Humme it, though, MMM, MMMMMMMMMM MMMMMM. It was it sometimes. Why? So, the there's a word for it. I'm not even going to try to pronounce it. Sure, but it's like it's essentially what it is is the Navajo believed that they had some Shamans who would suchily curse themselves to become what we call a skinwalker. They had a name for it that roughly translates to with it, he goes on all fours, is what that. So with it, he goes on all fours is the translation. So, and the NAVAJOS and and the youths now to and a lot of you just you just graze past the sentence where you said we call it a sky or skinwalker. Yeah, what? What? What do we call a skin walker? The we're going to get here, this this shaman thing, the with it, he goes on all fours. We call skinwalker. I don't know where we well, I do know exactly where he got it, but we'll get to that in a second. It's okay. And this is this is something that even to this day, people who live in tribal groups or like come from this tradition, won't even say the name, which I can't pronounce. It's like, I don't know, he hate you so much I'm not even going to try. And so anyway, you know, and even to this day, they won't purn it. They won't pronounce the word. MMM MMM, MMM MM. They won't say it. I'll try it. Won't say it because they're afraid of to like invoke the spirit and then the skin walk like Bel Juice. Yeah, like beel juice, but it's like serious, like they will, we're not going to say it, and so they're glad that you're not able to say. They're listening to the PODCAST. Really, don't say. I don't know, like they're like, don't say, he's he's fine, he can't say. He won't be able to say it. So the reason why they call it with it, he goes on all fours, because what these shamans would do is they curss themselves and essentially what happened is they would morph into this eternal creature. This is as a legend goes and Mur from this like eternal creature, and what they did is they would crawl around the woods, but on all four wars, but not on like on all fours, like we think, like like backwards, with their back facing down and their head like tilted backwards. So they're like like yeah, like you're in bridge position. Yeah, and like on all fuls, like got all fours, but jack belly buttons the sky and then your head's just dangling down. Yeah, no, I get. Every scary movie has that. Yeah, exactly. So super terrifying, just crawling around like that. But like weirdly fool woods. Yeah, weirdly fast. Yeah, obviously. And then the g every scary movie they eat the flesh of everything, animals, humans, whatever one, you name it. And what they do here's where they get really creepy. In the legend. What they do is where they get creepy. You're saying that if, let's say you're here at the office alone and night right, and you come out this door and outside is a person, presumably on all fours, belly button right navel to the sky, and they're just like and you're like this isn't creepy yet. That's that's a little creepy. But if you did this, what other thing? I see what you're doing. You're Oh, I know what this is. You'RE A M MMM. So what made them creepy Toim so what they would do is they would kill people and they would take their face and stick it on their face. Oh, I hate white shrew yeah, I don't like that. And doing that gave them this ability to mimic that person's voice. So what they would do is they go kill someone from the tribe, stick their face on them and then they would go out in the woods and they cry for help and they sounded like that person and so people would run to go help them. It's problem, and they would them getting killed. They were actually crying fla. It would be the person crying for help, and then the like, you've got their face on, you know, and it's like you must have sounded like them. You know I'm saying, like or you play that logic out. I mean that's a decent idea, but and then there's then there's kind of fringe things on it. I don't know if every you know. This is the thing. Did you know? Now, apparently every girl knows this, is that you don't yell for help. Really why? Because no one shows that. But what do you yell instead? Bomb, sure fire. Yeah, every girl, if you ask any girl, you say you say hey, if you're in danger, what do you yell? They'll say fire, because what people are more likely to respond to someone shouting fire than they are help. That's pretty jacked up, isn't that crazy? We suck man. Yeah, well, I don't know. If I hear someone saying help, I'm like, Oh, are you the person? Are you scar Walker? You know. So there's also a like sub belief of this that they can shape shift into just about amazing. Yeah, but the basic idea is that these are these creature in the woods, that that will lure people in by making people think there's someone in trouble, and then when they get there they'll eat them. Really glad that we live in the Midwest, because there is not a single person, possessed or not, in the Midwest, that has the flexibility physical capabilities, even if they do get possessed. Could you imagine it? Let's imagine you're the possessor, right, and you're like a little spirit. You're just like like jump into him, try to take a LAS castle. You take over somebody's body in the Midwest. You Know Dan, who's just eating four roles at Texas Roadhouse, and then you're just like, Oh, you can't even do it, you know, and I say that as a person who probably can't do it. I say probably cause I have a little bit of competence that I bet I could. Let's get a shot in the after the fiddle. That's thank you. Yes, I like the plea. Maybe do it during the episode. So yeah, so the Schem Walker's pretty scary concept. There's actually a lot of people who believe in them to this day, both within tribal people but not like throughout the West, like there are like stories kind of like big foot, where it's like people go in the Woodsk and Walker got them. Sure, have you are a loved one been diagnosed with too many advertisements during the tilling podcast? Have we got good news for you? Our patrons enjoy ad free experience and they get early access to content, behind the scenes stuff, exclusive merchandise and access to a private discord channel. Will. We all are in it, are producers and the hosts. So if you'd like to be a patron today and solve that problem, why don't you text tilling to six, six, eight sixty six. So does that bring us to the ranch? So that brings us to the ranch. So the ranch is in the you end up basin. I don't know if I'm saying that right, but sure. anyways, it's in that basin that was supposedly cursed with the skip walkers. Sidebar skin walkers. They they are almost invincible. The one way you can kill them is if you say their birth name. So it was a human at one point, a shaman. So there when they shamans are cursing themselves, they're permanently a skin walker. Yeah, they're becoming a skim walker forever, and the sort says their name and they're immortal. Yeah, unless someone says his name. If someone says their name, which sacks us at it again. In this world, how many people's names you remember? What if fifteen? Someone you knew rolls up backwards and you go, Oh hey, hold on, let me open up facebook. We get facebook out when you give me a human name, stay human, Abumanday, that's good. Yeah, so that's the only way they can die. So's if you say their name, you say their birth name, they walk up and there, Oh hey Jonathan, yeah, and then they'll like, oh, sorry, did I say something? I'm sorry. Yeah, so it's the only way I'll die too, jared, I can't believe you try to openly murder me like that. I can't believe we have evidence. We've evidence that you just tried to kill me. That was science. I was used right heal. This science, purely scientific, you're saying, just trying to sound well, yeah, I just wanted to see gun work. Really Science, really science. I was just tested it. I cannot believe you will say my name, Dj Oh. Don't go that. So this can way me. I wanted to name my son after you, but I can't remember if your middle name is James or John, and I know we've had this conversation on the podcast before, so I could probably go look it up. Yeah, but it's James, it's John. I always think it's James. What is it? Jabbowaukee? What are you talking? Don't we'll go with that. All right. So the skinwalkers are supposedly have been there the whole time, right, the same ones? Yeah, yeah, the the old Shamans, and they the old couple that owned it. Well, they weren't old when they when they first built the range. I get, I hope any wild built in the S and they were. They're just hitting care about skinwalkers. Yeah, they well, they built it in the S and three skin walkers short of the door. We're good people, cay see nothing. We just want to welcome you to then we're backwards. They got cookies o their belly. Get a little platters of cookies. We're gonna wrapper our times. We've rethought the whole cursed thing. We've had time to reconsider. Our names are shatter rack me checking a bed to go. Don't say those. Never say Yep, you just call me m please. Don't say when it why wouldn't you just go fake name? Why would you tell someone your realm b? Never say it. Don't say it. Okay, was there reything else? I could call you anything, anything else, literally, but big roll else. Say Yeah. And then, and then Kenneth Myers was like, I don't know how, Skin Walker, can I call you that? And they like that's weird. He called my name. No, he did it. Okay. So, yeah, so the way, the skin walker idea comes from us, because they walk like that. Weird. Yeah, people skin on their face. Okay, like anyways. So the Myers, the Myers family, moves in. They lived there for sixty years. Nothing happens. It is putting on my life and you and skimmaker ran okay, but for some reason when the Sherman's move in life is pretty weird, pretty pretty weird, pretty pretty weird. So here's what happens. They starts with a little bit of catal mutilation. How are you familiar with this? See, cow mutilation, attle cattle, cattle Mune, cattle mutilation. I've I've dabbled. Yeah, I know that I've mutilated any at all. That's consent. Yeah, you wake up one morning and your cows me. What's interesting? I don't know here. What's it? Just think about cattle mutilation. Is there's kind of two tiers to it, right. Yeah, there's your basic cattle mutilation, where you wake up in your cattle's just like exploded. Right, most likely. What happens there is like, I mean you you got your two forms of cattle mutilation, and so you wake up a boom. One one cattle mutilated, all right, and then you look at another one. You got to cattle, right, your rather cattle mutilated, but different. I like that. You just had like this like mad and mutilation breakdown before really did man. So, but I say, what did you basic like it just it just explodess how you're describing as why I did problem. You're just like how it was a coyote got in and just eight your cow. Right, okay. And so people are oh my gosh, something happened with cow, like well, what, just what's going on? But the other scenario actual, you know, probably just a coyote, probably just kyle. But there is another scenario of catal mutlation that's much more rare but documented, and there's a couple cases of this on skimmaker ranch and these are a little bit harder to explain because their scenarios where it's body parts are scattered. No, it's more surgical. So the cows are dead but they're not exploded. There are incisions somewhere and organs missing. Or, in the case of skinwalker ranch, Terry found three different cattle at three different times dead. Couldn't find anything wrong with them except for there was what looked like a drill hole in their eye. Very odd. A lot of people will be like, Oh, yeah, you just got a weird neighbor, but what did you just say? You are go on what, you got a weird neighbor. Well, yeah, but then problem with that is like think about, just like I think about how difficult would that would be? Till I come up to a cal and do that hole still? Oh No, and they would that wouldn't even kill the cow. Yeah, so that's the problem. Is like it's these weird surgical precision type procedures that the cow underwent and then just died afterwards. So a lot of people think it's alien. So he saying he had three different cattle. All that was wrong. was they a whole in their eyes. Yeah, they'd like a trill hole in nothing else. Nothing else, and that was weird to him. He was like, this is strange, but it was like probably a kyoh known guyouts to do this. He thought that was odd. Yeah, he thought it was. Boy. What do you do, though? Look, what do you do when you find your cow dead in a weird situation? I don't know. You called Kock Outline. Yeah, he called the cow corner. Yeah, the CO owner the calendar. He's say, can you explain it, and they usually will say no, easiest jab in the world. Dude. Can you explain this? MMM No, can't you going lunch next Tuesday? Yeah, I'm thinking steak. You guys get hungry. So the so that was really well. Thanks for stopping up by Dr Dvin, don't you say it, don't see. Turns around and his eyes are like it will see you later, gets in his car, art gets in his car and has to use the petals and then turn allwere stir it. Yeah, guys, he is it off kind of character. Yeah, you wee's strange doctor. Yeah, so a lot of people, a lot of these plan say the cattle munlation is aliens like they're being abducted in doing experiments is on the cows because they don't have anythink they're the dominant species. Aliens come to Earth and they're just like take us to your leader, and the cows like me. I think. I think what the theory is is the aliens come to Earth, they don't have cows on their planet and they see that we just make millions of cows and then kill them and they're like why? But I'm saying that I don't think they see us do that. I think they just land in a big field and they can't see anything for a while and they see a cow and they assume, take that this is the intelligent life being. That's what I'm saying. I think they know more than that. I think they fly over Texas and they're like, look at how they put all of those things in that little bin and then they shove them in there. Isn't it weird? The most ailing stories are just so America centric. Is that not alarming to anybody else? I mean there's cow farms everywhere, you think, cattle fans everywhere. That the aliens are orbiting and they're looking down at Texas. Yeah, they're like, look at the weird things that doing over there. We should draw some of those eyes. So so, yeah, that's the theory. anyways, Skim Walker ranch. So they're there for two years. So there for two three cows die. Supposedly they have a few runins with some skinwalkers. No, very terrified people. Yeah, supposed no, they say that. No, they did not. They say they that, but they didn't know they were skim walkers. They didn't know much about any of the thing. I saw some weird just rangers. These are just ranchers. So they saw, I mean they described, a person, person crawling backwards through the woods and calling for help, and so weird things. There's also there's also this like myth of this weird wolf in skinwalker ranch, and this one's dumb to me, but I mean it's all kind of done to me. Yeah, as opposed to the skin walker, as opposed to the person calling help with someone else's voice, this one. What's the idea? So the idea it's a wolf that's like three times the size of normal wolves. Wolf Wolves three times the size of normal wolves, but apparently it's like invincible. Terry says he shot this thing three times with a rifle and I like, Damn, flinch, it's just a bear. You just saw a bear. Terry, saw bear Terry. Terry is the thing it was called for. Hell, he's the thing. Terry is like. He's not one of these guys like he is, like he had been for a long straightforward cattle rest, straight, like stiff neck cattle guy. Right then all of a sudden, all of a sudden he buys this ranch and he's seeing weird stuff in the woods all the time. But the moment that kind of I mean they had seen lights in the sky, see weird stuff all time, right, but the moment that kind of did them in was he was out on his ranch and he had three dogs and they started barking at the woods and then just started running in the woods and he was trying to catch him, try to stop them, but their dogs are fast, right. So they go into the woods and he hears like this commotion, This Barking, and then this bright flash in the woods and then he comes in and there's like this big area of charred ground with like ash piles and and he's like those are my dogs and he's like selling the property, getting out of here. Here's here's what's interesting about this. All those dogs got struck ber lightning. I mean he didn't say it was raining. He could have been, but he didn't. He didn't disgray right. So they sell the property like immediately after this. And what a lot of people will say is that because the Myers didn't experience anything and then the Sherman's all of a sudden did. And the fact that they sold it to this bigelow guy. biggelow was a pretty outspoken, like paranormal guy, like he'd really liked the paranormal stuffkay. So what a lot of do they say? A little buy it because of the stuff. It seems like it it very much so the word got out. Yeah, I mean, if you're trying to sell a house, don't say it's haunted, so the Sherman guys. So the theory is that the Shermans made made this up so they could sell it. UN like, you sell it really quick, because is what way to do it, though, if you say you got a haunted building, some paranorial people will buy it. I mean, here's the thing. If you buy like a five hundred Acre ranch, though, like you don't buy something like that and expect only to be there for a couple of years. Like yeah, you expect to be there for a long time, especially a ranch, like you're expecting to work that ranch right on top of that. Yeah, still the move ranches. You got to move all your cows to that's a lot of huls. You know how many you alls is going to take to do this? I don't care. You don't know what I've seen. You don't know what there's the thing, like the they sold it, and when they sold it, they only sold it for two hundred thousand dollars, which was a major loss. I mean really need to get rid of it. Yeah, so this isn't someone who's like, I mean, if they were trying to get this upseale make a profit off of it, they there's no way they would have sold it for that low of an amount. Right, they would have. They would have tried to make a bigger profit on it than sure, and so that kind of that does kind of like, uh, I don't know if they were making it up right, if they're willing to part with it for that cheap. Hey, you ever heard of tilling merchandise? 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And so they're constantly studying air and studying like what's happening with the seismic activity and all this different stuff, and they get a lot of data, obviously because they've constantly recorded her. In theory, there's a lot of video and photo and audio of paranormal things happening on the ranch and they had been studying those four years. Another interesting thing is there's a lot of its like a seismic hotbed. There's a ton of ufo sightings are. This is actually falls right and what's called the UFL alley, which is kind of the Nevada New Mexico Utah area. Yeah, it's where they orbit. Yeah, yeah, they say they hang out over there. So there's a lot of ufo sightings there as well. And then, of course the skin walker stuff and the wolf thing. So a lot of paranormal activity happen. If there were ufos, they one would have collided with a plane by now. No, they're too fast. Don't don't. Don't you think they would air traffic control be like Hey, Ufo we've got a plane southwest is coming out. I'm saying, though, is like, if you have us, can you know they can get around our system? Yeah, right, yeah, we're not seeing them all the time. Yeah, I think that with how much air traffic there is, I don't think so. I think I don't think they would. Okay, I mean there's a lot of air traffic, but I mean if you look up, like, there's a lot of room in this guy, sure, there's still a lot of room. And I mean those things are they're quick and they're better technology. The fly higher. So I don't know. I mean, yeah, he's serious. It's annoyable, but no, no, I mean like, yeah, but they're also invisible and they can move through objects, and object from Burson's isn't they were nothing for them, and also they're from the future in the past the same time. So clearly your idea is stupid. Yeah, so in two thousand and four his his institute was kind of disbanded without note us. And Yeah, because they saw a skinmugger. Yeah, they saw skind luck. Are they like James? And then a send it and then they were like, oh, we gotta get out of here. So in two thousand and four I got disbanded without notice and he had been relatively outspoken with what was going on there. He had have been releasing a lot of stuff, but he had been talking about like Oh yeah, we saw this thing was all that thing. Blah Bla, blah, blah, blah. Put them for he disbands it and he's not talking about anymore. Very odd. Well, in the skin walkers are blackmailing him. I listen, you're not gonna like what we saw. All right, we've been out here a long time and we notice that you have a couple of girlfriends and if you don't meet our domains, will blow your life up. Yeah, I think that actually might be pretty close to what happened. So he in two thousand and eighteen. At the end of two thousand and eighteen he comes out in a report with New York Times. This is, you know, in two thousand and twenty, when that Ufo Bigu AF report came out. Well, it got elaked years before. From to the Stars Academy. To the Stars Academy is comprised of a lot of to the Stars Academy. Yes, it's comprised of a lot a of like prominent former military and government. It's calls and senators stars. Goody, it's not called Stars Academy now it's to the Stars Academy, okay. Yeah, and and they're comprised of a lot of former military and science people, teenagers with weird powers. HMM. I mean it's funny you say that because it was started by Tom Delong from blank way to so Kinda, but he actually did go get a lot of these people and he was the one that their organization was. They leaked that originally and then a couple years later the government was like, Hey, asked about his real girl ahead to do a couple yeah, dash control kind of stuff. Yeah, and so anyways. So, so they leaked that and whenever they leaved that, bigelow did a report with the New York Times and he was like yeah, so the Oh good, everyone's talking about it. Great, great, great, I can talk about this now. Sweet are awesome. So, I mean if it's already out there, yeah, so that wife left me a decade ago, we could talk about it. So during the time that he had skinwalker ranch, the US senator of Nevada, Harry Reid, had approached him, yeah, and was like Hey, this institute thing that you've got. It's over. We're gonna it's the government's now. Yeah, yeah, and they were like they're are real. Yeah, and so so. So they started. The government showed up, was like hey, and like what? What? And he's like he's like senator. He's like, don't say my name, let me stopf you'reright there. Please have us on my desper morning. So so they take his institute. They let it continue running, but they say never talk about it, this doesn't exist and it's now it eventually becomes a tip, which is the Aeronautical Threat Identification Program which was the government's UFL research program in the early s. That got disbanded in two thousand and thirteen because it's not real. It is real. The government in their two thousand and twenty report declassified that a tip was a thing and they were well, I mean a tips of thing. Yeah, but they're like yeah, so so their lab our cattle or mutilated. So their lab was a portion of a tip and was studying the parent normal. So what did they will say in his report of The New York Times he basically was just like yeah, so we didn't leave. We kept we kept doing research and we found some things and they were very interesting. And he said that he was absolutely convinced that extra touch real life exists and they have visited earth basically like that in the S. Yeah, that's true. That is true. It's fairly true. It turns out I am one hundred percent percent convinced of the thing that I thought. So. So what are you going to do with that? In what you do with that information? Yeah, so government came by and I said, yeah, I've been thinking these things and still think of so. I still think so. Now I think so. Now what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do about that now? Yeah, relase a senator twenty, senator ar sure don't ever see her name again. So don't make me mad sense. That's we're saying, though it is it feels like there's a lot of room for confirmation bias here. There is. And and he did say, and it is true, that a lot of the files from a tip are still classified. And so he said, I you can't talk about a lot of it, which is convenient, but yeah, it's true. We do know. It's true that a tip was the classified. I can't about that. She goes through differently. Do try about she's real, though. Yeah, he's real. Promise she's real. You want to know her, but she wasn't real. Yeah, she's real. No, yeah, I don't pressures with her. Every time I take a picture of her, I can't see it. Yeah, see, I'll try to, I'll let me describe it. She's got she's got a jacket, she's blonde with Bangs, and don't try to Google her. Don't no ear and you're not gonna like. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna find her. You're not gonna find you're not going to you're not gonna find I you know how I did. Sounds like you murder. You're not gonna find her anyway. Yeah, it's touch classified. Can't talk about it. Talk about it. Yeah, I'm gonna do forever. Now. By the way, it's class of now, kid. That rise classified. Yeah, Ray is like, what did you and Tim do last weekend? That's classified. Yeah, Hey, we got jared Myers on the podcast today. I heard you got a new toilet. You say find up. Can you tell us a bit about why did you say my name? I have one rule for this radioator. You don't see more. Hey, we've got a you know, we good comic. We got a comedian. If you've seen Tim Hawkins, you've seen this one and you know. Okay, so bigelow does his a tip stuff for yeah, he doesn't a tips. that. That's all. I lose. Spooky stuff happen the range, like that's happened to tell you? Yeah, exactly. And then a unless you come on Sunday morning at today am, you know you're find out. Why did you join us on Sunday? Best is yet to come. So so that was that was sorry, that was a jab at everybody. So I haint ti gets disbanded and alleged that. A couple years later bigelow puts it up for sale and then this guy brandon food all buys it in two thousand and see, two thousand and sixteen. Yeah, do the Ad Mantium Holdings, which is a shell company. It's a shell company. See, also an alien guy, Um, I mean yes, like he's interested. He's not sold. He's more he's a Mormon guy and he's more interested. He says, if I can prove in the paranormal then that proves mormonism, which is a leap, but sure, he's like. It's like yeah, if I can get a picture of a ghost, then you're like, yeah, the spiritual world exists. So that's kind of his motive. It's a little different. And so he immediately after I shouldn't say he, because there's a group involved. He's the guy who's kind of spearheading it, but it's a full group of investors with the Shell Company. But immediately after they buy it, they close all roads leading into the ranch, they put up surveillance, like twenty four hour surveillance, outside of it, and actually hire security company to patrol the ranch. And they're like trying to keep people out. Yeah, but what if you like get hired for the security of this place? Right, you're like, all right, are we supposed to keep people out or keep weird things in? Little both, but imagine it back here, because, listen, security guards are just cops that didn't graduate, right, and so am I wrong? Yeah, right, a step above mall cop, yeah, step below real one. Yeah, right, yeah, or their cops who blew up the toilet. That's also true. That's also true. Yeah, never mind. So, but I mean what I'm saying is, like they don't they got training, but not really. Yeah, and like anybody could be a security officer. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, proven by the people who are security officers my apartment, because the people, my neighbors, were outside grilling hot dogs, playing music till thirty in the morning. Yeah, and ice. I would watch security come in the parking lot with their little yellow lights and they were supposed to shut that down and instead just took a hot dog. It's gonna say. It was like they're like, I canna get one of those nickel that's exactly what they did and they drove off. So, yeah, yeah, that's what I imagine when you say they hired a security company, but also what they could be hiring is like, like security company is like a code word for militia. Yeah, yeah, like the security companies that the United States government hires to go overseas and do stuff. Oh, is that okay? That's the thing. Yeah, the security company that the guy from taking work for. This is going to be a stretch my stick with. It's like taking to all right, that's a reference nobody gets. Oh, no, bomber, if you're a painting one day, maybe. anyways. So, so this real estate, this Shell Company. They here's what's interesting, right. Yeah, they buy the property, shut it down, they shut it down and then they went and they trademarked skin Walker ranch and then they also with the mark that was applicable to in quotes providing recreation facilities, entertainment surfaces, mainly creation, development, production and distribution of multimedia content, Internet content, motion pictures and television shows, and an additional trademark expanded to the use of Cups, mugs, shirts, short sleeve shirts, sports caps and hats. Where you have a theme park out here, yes, can walker land. So and then they made a reality TV show that's now on the history channel called the secrets of skinwalker ranch, and so it seems pretty clear that they bought it because they were like, Oh yeah, we can make for sure profit off this and it and it was usually successed. Worked for sure. Is a successful made a ton of money off it's like, dude, I think about you know, what I think about a lot is that the people from the finding big foot show have to know that big foot's not real and they're it is out there raking in the money. MMM, MMM, yeah, probably, probably, and it seems like this is what's going on here. What a lot of people say is that the Shermans made it up to sell it to bigelow. bigeloaded is thing for a little bit and then now these people are trying to profit off of it again. But there is the theory that because this guy does seem relatively interested, that he started this reality TV showed to fund the research because he's not as rich as biggelow, and so he said, I'm ready to income. Yeah, if we can make this a spectacle also, if you you happen to catch what you're looking for on camera for your TV show. Yep, huge six. I think that's the that's the idea. So whether or not it's genuine, it's hard to tell for sure. Yeah, but the fact that they trademarked it is a little suspect. But I mean, I guess if you're going to start the show name it's kid longer, right. Yeah. So I don't know the whole thing. Like, is there some weird things that happened there? Sure is. Aliens most likely involved. Absolutely, but it's a lot of it probably made up. Yeah, absolutely. I want to go the theme park, you know, like just ride a roller coaster. They got a ride called the mutilater right, another one called face off. They've got all of their cast members are crawling around back. Yeah, I mean you got a passive flexibility test. All this up and then they're big ride. Yeah, you know, the big roller coaster is called the fiddle off. Yeah, things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by connerbet social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg, our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at Tilling podcast, that's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review, comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.


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Jack Parsons – How This Man Accidentally Funded Scientology

03-15-22

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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Jack Parson's Jack Jack Parsons Parsons? I think said Pars Arson's, Jack Parsons, Jack Parsons. Also, I know him as John Whiteside Parsons. What? or You could also know him as Marvel Whiteside Parsons? Okay, hold on. Jack Parsons, yes, John White side Parsons, yes, Marvel, marvel whiteside Parsons, yes, I guess not. Is He from that Christmas Song? What the and pretend that he is Jack Parsons, sorry, and pretend that he is melv Miller for Marvel Martin, and pretend that he is marvel white side Parsons. Is Fit, Jack Parsons did though? Yeah, Parson Brown, Parson Brown, yeah, well, no, he's not, he's not. That's not him. Okay, who is Jack Parsons? Jack Parsons was born marvel white side Parsons, named after his dad, Marve Marvel Parson. Is His middle name whiteside? Or was that a nickname? This is middle name. I believe his men names white size is that's his mother's last name. His mother's US White said. His Dad's last name is Parsons. They were married but they split up or that line was on from so he went his parents split up. He was like, well, I'm both. Yeah, so iphinated it. Yeah, he's like. He's like, I'll that all iphenate and he's like, I don't think. What's your opinion on that? On that? Look, when couple of the US? Is there a reason? No, I have. I have we had that conversation before? Yeah, yeah, have we talked about on the podcast? I don't know, I don't know. I just I can't explain why I don't like it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I just I just know that I don't why. You why someone would want to? I don't I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I understand it about. Yeah, I would never do anyware. I've been thinking about change my last name to whiteside, whiteside Myers, jared white admires. Yeah, my last name Marvel, like I was said I was gonna Change my last name to whiteside and you're like white side Myers. Yeah, their websites probably availablecom marvel whiteside myerscom. That's like that church last week that put on the they put on the screen Jarre and Myers, but they spelled it m Ey Erscom and which is fine because I own that one. YEP, so marvel whiteside Myers is not a live site. Is Available. Oh, I thought you were going to say not available. I was like, what are you talking about? Who Ten bucks here, just dreaming about your death? Oh, it's an active terrorism son here there. Third is death. They gotta be because of the Liberal legend. All Rise for the Lord of the universe. Not Allowed to do anything with blood anymore. Things I learned last brain Satan. Okay, so all marvel was born win one thousand nine hundred and fourteen. Was An old guy. Yeah, and the the marriage didn't really end great, and so the his mom didn't want him to continue to be marvel because he was named after his dad. Yeah, and so she changed it to John and he started going by Jack. Oh, I thought she started dating a new guy named John and she's like now your name is John. A few years later she started dating the guy. She's like, yeah, now it's Jack. Your name is whoever I'm dating. Yeah, what that would be traumatic if your mom kept doing that to you. You know, you know my I don't know if we talked about this before on the podcast. You know the story that my dad's my dad is the one who change his last name. Yeah, yeah, because he used to be Horsey. Don't ughinated, though. Didn't know he did. Not. I swear. I've seen like somewhere where I'll say horsie Myers. No, I swear made that. You dreamed it. Maybe you haven't dreams about my dad. Do Dream Without Your Dad? Pretty up. Yeah, just Dreaming About Your Dad that. Oh Yeah, Huh sor I was having a having a dream a boy your dad. What? Don't do that. So he's a patreon supporter. We dream about all our patrons. Supports. The Patriot of meet us in hard dreams. Virtual events are a thing of the past. The futures is dream dances, all right. And so, anyway, that was weird. My Dad's last date, but he changed his last name when he when he got me married my mom, he took her last name. They didn't make one up together. Yeah, but they thought about changing my last name to his. There was that was a conversation. I could have been Charon Horsey. Was the point of that story? Better for comedy? You would have been a puppeteer. That's another that's a puppeteer, puppeteer, you would have been a you mean of Ventriloquist? Now I mean a puppeteer. I wouldn't have been good at the mouth. I would have had to hide behind the curtain. Yeah, that's what dead difference from a puppeteer and a ventriloquist is. Talent is the curtain and because he is that blue felt curtain, that's the way off track. All right, all, yes, Jack Parsons. I hope this is an alien thing. Jack Parsons, he is kind of like the father the unknown. Will call him the unknown father of rocket tree. Of what? Rocket Tree? Yeah, I mean, saying the word again is not going to help me. Rocket Tree is when you build trees out of rock. Just get to the story, please. You gonna be like our Youtube comments rocket. Just tell a story like rocket designers. Oh, rocketeer, he's but he's unknown because he kind of got design rockets got blacklisted, and so we'll get to that. Okay. But in in one thousand nine hundred and fourteen was born and to a pretty wealthy family. His grandfather was very, very, very wealthy, and so they enrolled the white side school. Yeah, yeah, Mr Whiteside Mr Brightside. So they enrolled him in this really like affluent school where he didn't love his education, but he loves SCI FI. So he read all these sci fi books all the time and he started to dream of going to space, and so as a child he became like obsessed with is this possible? And a common trope in sci fi was figuring out ways to make rockets go to space, because there was like, I mean, fireworks have been a thing for a long time. So there was like really rudimentary, like tiny little like home rockets, basically worth. Okay, they didn't do anything. Say Home Rockets, yeah, you got a home rocket. Yeah, it's like everybody's got everything. He's a home mortgage in a home rocket. Yeah, so and a rocket mortgage. Today's sponsor. I was just smoothing, not we need to bleep it out unless we can get them. Yeah, I'll call them. BLEEP it out unless we get a don't bleep it. Here's the problem is that you keep saying bleep stuff and I watch it back and I don't remember that we bleeped it. And so the bleep stuff to stuff. I said, that's true, but I'm saying, like we should have a warning in the beginning. That's like, Hey, when we believe stuff, we're not actually cussing. Yeah, that's fair. We haven't have a disclaimer that we're not explicit. You know. See, just so you know, I just so you guys notice a family friendly thing. Yeah, if we bleep, something gets a joke. anyways. So he became obsessed with trying to wanting to gas rockets and make rocket. So he started just make trying to ride Bob Rockets in the air. Ye, he's just making exploss at home and and there was a description of him, of his neighborhood, like his family home as a child. The backyard was described as having craters like the moon because he was just blowing stuff up in his back out all the time. So rich people do though. You know, you can tell when they're when they're rich, because either the yard looks impeccable immaculate. Yeah, absolutely, more like total garbage. I mean they are no care. Yeah, because they have so much money that it's like, Oh, land, you know, they don't respect to lay it. I don't need to respect land. I'm too rich for land. It's only on this part that we own, not on the other parts. So he it. He was getting bullied in middle school because he liked sci fi too much and I don't know, the stuff that kids pulled each other for. Yeah, I think anime kids. Now you know that, but Twenti s version. It's so in eighth grade he's just got one day. We're going to go to the moon and everyone's like shut up, nerd. Yeah, I mean that's I mean, I was ACTU I wasn't going to joke. You're not that far off. So anyway, so he got made fun of a lot three middle school. Made good friends with an eighth graator who also was into blowing stuff up, and so they just started blowing stuff up together, right as kid. Yeah, just a little bombros right. And but then the Great Depression hits and his grandparents lose their fortune, and so then he kind of just write lost or whole fortune the Great Depression. Yeah, and so they had to move across town to a hey marvel John Jack powers was a sell this house. We always holes in the backyard. Whyn't you go fill those in? Yeah, he's like sorry, I was trying to dig a whole so I could scare some third graders. I hear they're third is definitely take deeper enough, you go far that you'll find him and so. But even even though he moves schools and move neighborhoods, he stayed Edward Foreman. So now they're name of that eighth grader. Yeah, so like definition poor or like just everyone's poor sort doesn't matter. I mean, yes, okay, like, I mean everyone was poor then, but yeah, like, I don't know what you're true. Were they still doing better than other people's? What I mean, I don't know the answer to that. Okay, I don't know. But anyways, he's remain friends with Edward Foreman, which was that eighth radery stuck up from. Okay, they just blue stuff up all the time, right, that was like the number one hobby. But they they switch schools. He goes to high school and he's just not like applying himself in school. Yeah, his parents think he's pretty intelligent, but he's just not trying, and SOS MOM and an effort to try to try to get him to like put the work in right, she enrolls him in military school and so ships them off the military school. Always the answer, always the answer. Just get him out of the House. Yeah, let him live with some yeah, well, you'll like it here. How about those service? Yeah, about that. So he goes. He got kicked out because because he blew up a toilet, like literally put a bomb on the toilet. Blue, I know, I figured that part. I didn't think that you meant that he just really was stinking at the bathroom. I think I thought you met. You Ned to clarify that. Yeah, I as soon as you said it, I was like, Oh, yeah, he physically blew up a toilet. Not Zack. We have been here. What do you get? Discharge from the military because you're making too much of a mess in the bathroom it. Yeah, Jack, you're not reacting well to the military food. There's not a place for you. Yeah, you're not acting you know, your body is not taking the military very well. And so you say military mucletary what. So, anyway, he blew up a toilet day one. How long did he was there for a little bit, but, okay, he gets kicked out. That's where they draw the line. Yeah, the toilet drew out. You got it's an active terrorism son. Yeah, yeah, so there's there's that. So after after now, what year we in a nineteen twenty something. Okay, nine thirty, I don't know, twenty nine ish ish, fifteen years old. He was in the military. Is a military school? Military School. Yeah, and so he really wanted to go to Caltech because that's where everyone was learning, like sure, really cool rockets, aerospace engineerings. Yeah, him and his friend, as was named for Ment Edward Foreman. They both really wanted to go, but they weren't getting accepted. They were because they didn't try and school. All that. It is just pluw stuff up for fun. Yeah, and they like we can do all the maybe it's to go to the school and we blow up all the toilets. They'll know that we're good at this. We like, look at all the toilets they blew but maybe it's for those things without like that's really annoying, but also, but also, you're pretty good at this. Do that. It's like good rule hunting. But they're just, you know, they take the janitor job or they're just blowing up toilets. So so what they did is they just befriended some kids who went to Caltech and they got really close to them and then they were like hey, we're going to live in your dorm room. They were like hey, you guys want to blow stuff up with us? And so they just blown stuff up with these caltech kids and these these kids had a close relationship with one of the professors there and they were able to get this, I don't know what the word is for it, basically get permission to use an old academic building that had laboratory in it but had been kind of inactive since the depression. Okay, and so they're like, yeah, no one's using that, you guys can just use that whenever you want. And so the students got permission to. The students were like Hey, like your are blow stuff up buddies, like you want to come with the stuff, blow stuff up in this unmused lab. It's you're blow stuff up buddies. Actually did have a name on campus, which I really tried to figure out if this is where this name came from. I believe it is, but I don't have any way to prove it. But the kids on camp is called this group of kids who blue stuff up. They called them the suicide squad, and I am convinced that's why they got that really for the comic books, because this was before DC. I heard they were called something different what Xmen? Yeah, well, lit are those the avengers? Is that marvel? Mar That's what I'm saying. Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, that's right. That's when new episodes drop on Patreon. Patreons a way to get early access to episodes and a their content and exclusive merchandise. And we're not going to stop there, because we got a private discord with our host and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a day. That's right, that's five dollars a month. You two can be a patreon supporter and not here advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore. Text till in the six, six eighty sixty six. Otherwise I'll come to your house, I will find you, I will destroy everything that's good in your life until we're the only thing left. Anyway, here's another advertisement. So, yeah, they call him the suiside squad because, I mean, they repetitively came really close to killing themselves doing this, for sure, and eventually they outgrew this little lab. How, what do you mean they have? They were making too big of explosions and the patio was like you. If I did, the professors like guys, I said, you could use this I didn't say you could burn the building down. It is that I expect you to do this. And so so they go out to there was this damn out in Pasadena, and so they they call it devil's Den, I believe is what they called. Me Double check that, make sure I got so they're trying to blow up at damn. Like they're like what is city? What if? Yeah, they wouldn't let us tear down a building, a cow tech, let's flood it. How about that? We'll show them. So Devil's Gate, Devil's Gate. So it's the Damn Devil's Gate and there was just this big open space by it, because there used to be a big body of water there and it like wasn't anymore because, you know, kind of change is the damn? Because the I'm pretty sure it was Clem to change. Oh you think so? It wasn't because of the because they walled off the water. So they went over whatever was. I mean there was it's mixing that Damn and there was are this big empty area that I don't know how the water is not there anymore. I literally can't put it together. I don't know where this thing I don't agesn't make sense. So they got to be because of the liberal legend. So so there's a big open area that used to have water. Now it's dried up, whatever, for whatever reason. Aliens, probably, but most likely aliens. So they go over there and and me like squad. Yeah, they go over there and they said, let's just blow up stuff bigger, and so they started making bigger and bigger bombs and eventually this developed to they were they're making rockets that were like small time, like just like little, shoot up a little bit and come back down, kind of like what spacex does all the time, like look to go up, it goes down. They're doing that type of stuff and they actually started a group that they called the Gougenheim Aeronautical Laboratory. Don't know where they got that name, Gal I think it was named after the lab that they got to use. I think the lab was the GOUGENHEID lab. Okay, at Caltech. So they don't have any official training in this, though. They're still just befriending these college jude well, the Caltech guys kind of do, because they're glad there, but I'm talking like Jack Parsonson and Edward Foreman. Yeah, they just know some guys and they well, they've been doing it their whole life. Yeah, that's what the question I lost stuff. They don't have any formal training on this stuff, though. We've defied formal, I mean a oversight committee has approved the curriculum that they are learning. Yeah, and then they are guided by a professional through what they're doing. Technically, answer is no, technically no, not even technically no, straight up, not technically. Know Somehow, and I'm not this is very gray. I don't understand how this happened. But somehow during this time, when whenever they were still in the lab, Somehow Parsons got in touch with Werner von Braun. I don't know. You know who that is? That sounds familiar. He is the guy who is who is the father of rocketry. And so he, Jack Parsons, is the secret one. He's kind of, yeah, the behind, okay, behind the scenes. So what murder of my Bron did? He was so, he was a Nazi. After the war. He was one of the ones that we were like, Hey, we're flipped. Yeah, let's yeah, pretend you didn't do any of that, and then he came over get everything you did before. Yeah, and he built the rockets that took us the moon. And so he is the guy that, like everyone's like yeah, he did it, yeah, he did that and nothing else. Yeah, there's nothing else. He did. That was pretty bad. Yeah, why, there's a pretty big like paper clip and print on his file. Ya knows. You're just seeing things, man. Yeah, that's because you stared at the rocket too long. Were you dreaming about my dad? Ask Me. That's the thing. My Dad Would Your Dad Dream? Your Dad Dream Last night? Got Cut it out. And so he became like I wanted to say like friends, but almost a colleagues, like they would call each other. It's around like like like longdistance calls, like this is this is pre war, and so he's like longdistance call. Yeah, this is before all the stuff. Von Braun to just talk about rockets, and so they're kind of like a changing ideas. Yash, yeah, and they will jack. I don't really. Can they say Jay's? I don't know. I don't know. I think. I don't. Think Germans came. I don't know. They say Ja, yeah, Russian. So yeah, they would just calling about blowing stuff up. Maybe, like Hey, if you thought to think about blowing something up like this, like do you what I work and then he likes just just sort of run by something, something real quick. If I were too, and is all hypothetical, if I were to, you know, put these two things together with that go for or would that go? Who? If I were to, I don't know, Rick a bunch of explosives on the Pacadena Damn what, it flood the entire city. I just want to take our cow tech, I mean, and that one military school. Believe, one toilet as right as my calls, as my life, the real placement toilet. What do you call that? Your your your call sign, your call sign, think you had it right now. Call sign is like card, like trucker, trucker. That's your call sign. It's calling card, calling card. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, if you show it to an arson and there's one untouched toilet, this was this guy. It was this guy. So so here's the thing about if you're blowing a bunch of stuff up in the desert. Yeah, the government notices. No, they don't. Yeahs they noticed. Wow, and they said, Hey, we noticed your this is high. This is the government. We're listening in on your phone call with I mean we were just we're just pruising the desert. They found out. Yeah, so they were like, Hey, we couldn't help, but notice the rockets you guys are building in the desert. What if you just did that for us? And no joke. They took the suicide squad and they started the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which was the group that became a NASA, and they said, Hey, what have you guys just made rockets for us. And so this is where, this is really where NASA came from as a group of kids blowing crap up. No, I refuse. It is really where where it all began. And so these guys got stupid rich, like they were making giant rockets for the government, and the government was like hey, government, if you're listening to this, and you're like the government could use a podcast, we've been making this podcasting Mans, I guess, in the desert, and I don't know if I'm kind of like last year. It seems like you could help, but notice. I was just wondering if you would notice us more. Yeah, what do we have to make it? I couldn't help. Yeah, what do we got to do to move this anyway? They say, just like basically, we're like, Hey, that feels on brand for the government, though. That feels like they're just like, yeah, we like what you're doing, and like they haven't have a meeting where they like, do we shut this down, or do we like pay for it? Those are the only two options. Do we shut it down, or do we give them money? Yeah, yeah, or do we like perpetuate it, like yeah, what do we want to do here? We're not we don't like it. Yeah, but if it was ours we would kind of like it. Can you guys do that? You can't know. Okay, Great, higher is he? Fourteen? Is Fourteen years old? Higher High. So they go bathroom access? Yeah, keep away from all the toilets. Heard that was a problem for it. No, no bathrooms in the office. So so they hied them going the field and they make a ton of money. All of that. GETS super rich. So Jack goes and buys himself a Matt Mansion and he nicknames it the Parsonage. You hate that, whatever you like it? You're like yeah, I love yeah, why is your house? I call a stone hinge. Oh, it is now his neck. There you go. So he starts making a bunch of rockets and stuff. was kind of leading the forefront of making rockets for the US, like him, and real competition. There's no one to compare it to. Yeah, and so, I mean he was definitely in the group that was involved in getting rockets off the ground. Yeah, literally, they also they also made rocket propelled aircraft, which was a huge impact for aircraft carriers because then it was safe to take off from an aircraft career. Yeah, so they did a lot of stuff that got them very, very rich. And then and then, because they used sling shot him. Yeah, they did actually. Yeah, and and then Jack Got Weird. He was always kind of weird. Don't go where I think you're going. What do you think I'm going? All right, think you know where I think you're going. What do you think about? I think you know where I think. You think you know where your do you think? Do you think that? I think you started a story about a kid who was really into Scifi. Are Right. And then he's like blowing stuff up and making rockets, and then he gets hired by the government and he's working with a Nazi who isn't an see yet but will be in the future, and then he'll beat an American and then I think you're going to pivot at the end and be like, by the way, Jack Really believes in aliens? No, not even close. So when Jack was in middle school he wanted so bad to get to space that he so so backpedal a little bit. Okay, Jack's family's Baptist, very, very baptist, very heavily baptist. Okay, it's so baptist. I keep waiting for to drop aliens and you drop Baptist, very baptist. And honestly, Jack was not having it. He was not. He did not want to be baptist, he didn't want to be Christian, he don't want to be involved in any of it. Okay, but he was like kind of still religious and which is weird because he liked the reason he didn't want to do any of the like church stuff was because he didn't buy he didn't believe it. Okay. Same time, he still had a religious like Twang to him, a Twang like he had a religious accent. Hey, what's that accent? Oh, it's a it's a little Lutheran, picking up notes of religion. Were talking about it. So it is in middle school he's like he's a man, I want to go to space so bad and he's like trying, God, would you please beat me up? No, he says Seatan, which you please take me to space. So he like holds like a like a seance and basically sells his sold the devil so he could go to space. That's a middle school and is just not the direction I thought we were going. He's like, okay, he's like, he's like, if you get me to space, then I'm yours for all eternity. Devil. Are you joking? No, and the road. So Jack Parsons is just like he's a middle schooler, a little seventh grade towr right, and he's just in there doing Algebra, just, you know, ex equals seven. Why he goes and he's goes, HMM, devil, we tired of I'm sure you let some kind I want to go first face. So do you think he tried? God? First definite question. Do you think he tried God? It was like covering his bass. It was like God, God, please give me the space space. Devil. What if you, God, can't do it, I want you to do it. Yeah, so he I'm processing this. I'm sorry, I okay, and then he hold to this his whole life, like he's out he gets sign in that with NASA. Signed with NASA. What is the NBA player signs? He's like, I can't sign that. I'm already I'm on. Sorry. Yeah, we're my world. Oh, this was just an ink. Okay, good. Yeah, no, not allowed to do anything with blood anymore. Yeah, did that once when I was eleven. Yeah, sorry, a blood. Oh did he write out the full marvel white side parses and then passes out as so much what he's looks. You Want my birth name or do you want to step jappy? It's like doing. Do you need my birth dad or my Stepdad or my second step Dad's name? Like, which one do I need to use? I'm stressed. See, yeah, didn't go to space. Wait till you hear where this goes. So he's like I want to go so far up that I go down for eternity. I'm so stressed. So he gets rich. Right, obviously he gets rich. Everyone, every Satan worshiper does. That's he made a literal deal with the devil. I can't get past it. I'm sorry. Okay, so he gets rich in you. You'll never guess. We've at friends the devil. I guess who alter Crowley, and so he joined. Nont know who alster Crawley is. We didn't have sort about him, and he's a cult leader, basically. Yea. Also, we've mentioned Operation Paper Clip. We've also, don't ever said about that. You can go back and listen to it. So they're alive at the same time. Yep, their live at the same time. And our story is really is running his cauld yeah, tell them. And yet, yeah, out in the desert. Yeah, and he calls himself the be an Alicer dosy, hey, I couldn't help but notice. You, soldier soul to me, to me ten years ago when you were a child, still a child. Hold up the deed, deed to your like just a piece of paper. I got your soul, more like your note. He's like, I'm the devil. It's like, I don't know if I believe that. If I wasn't the devil, what I have this. Do you remember? Do you remember Marvel Jack, John Perful? Do you remember when you sign this to me? Because I remember, I'll never forget. But you remember who you tried to go to first, because I also remember. You're like, Oh man, yeah, so him and him, analysier, become pretty good friends and he joins tell them and he actually becomes one of their priests, and so he gets his own order started. And a little bit disclaimer that this is graphic if you're watching these your children's a little recap on thelluma. One of the big like tenants in Theelluma was they called it sex magic, and so what they believed was on if you manifest your dreams during sex, then they will come true, and so these people just they did it a lot and thought about what they wanted whenever they did. And so he did that and his wife was not a fan, so his wife left them. He was married before this, by the way. Oh, yeah, good, good note. Yeah, sure. So his wife was like hey, not a fan of this thing that you're doing right now, and he's like yeah, by the way, what you do if your spouse joined a cult? Yeah, what would you do if you married someone and then, years into it they're like buy the wake when I was eleven? What? Oh, no, Hey, I know that I should have brought this up earlier. I do love you with my whole heart. Yeah, and I can't love you with my whole soul because part of it belongs to Satan. The Devil. And you, you know how like you're always like man, we're going to spend eternity together, and I'm like yeah, I don't know, and like we could. I've got my spot secured. Yeah, you could just do some bad stuff. Well, I'm saying like okay, but imagine that you get married right and a couple years in your marriage your spouse joins a cult. Yeah, what do you do? I mean I feel like you would try to get them out of it for a while. I feel like you would exhaust all I think bree joined a Colt, you would join it, but if you join a cold she would fight to get you out. I mean it depends how convincing the cult is. That's that's I guess that's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he gets he dives into this and his wife is not a fan. Yeah, she's like, I don't like that, and so she leaves him. But Luckily for Jack and pretty unlucky for his sister or his wife. For his wife. Okay, I was like for his wife. Yeah, his wife sister is like, Oh, I like that, and so his wife Sister, Marie's no, Oh, no, I see where you were going now. So his wife's sister marries Jack because she's like yeah, I want to be in on that, and I mean like he's already sold us some of the devil who cares? Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean like I know, I know everything now, like I can't find anything else. Wait, that's way. Were she into Jack or was she into the Colt? Well, so she marries Jack, whoa dives dies right into the cult life, the the occult stuff. You know. Yeah, they start living that life. This is bonker. Some this took a hard left. It's about Edward Foreman doing this whole time, Edward and him or after the whole cult, the whole NASTA thing. Okay, COO, there's the whole cult thing. Pretty much everybody was like that's what. Other question. Was He still working for, you know, NASA Junior? Yeah, so he does for a while. He does for wis you in the colts quite a while? Yeah, I love this little crossover wor. If you don't remember the O't that was for probably episode. We're going to play it right now. Things Bra and safe. So so. So he's doing the cult thing right, he's Colton. He's calling it up, but there's this thing that he really wants to do, and it was the Babylon working spell, which is something that Alister Caley had always jumped of. Basically, the concept is that there was this goddess of Babylon that when she returned, she gives birth to the antichrist and then everybody can have sex with whoever they want and then we're going to go to space, is the idea. Yeah, so those were the two things, and I mean, what more this Jack Love? Then the Anti Christ in spaces of spaces. They checkered all my boxes, your favorite asses, and actually my wife board absolutely for her sister. So he's trying to get as your Crowley to do the spell with him. Carley's like, I don't know about that. I don't know for there, I don't know if you're ready. Yeah, basically, and so he's like no, come on, like do that, do that, but that's spell where we go to space, though, Bro. So Jack Calls up one of his other good friends and it's like, Hey, I'm supposed fell that. I was a king. Say go WHO's the others agree in the desert, and so he dries out to the desert and he waits for his friend to roll up to the desert with him to do the Babylon working spell and out of whatever this would have been like a forty two chevel or something. I don't know. I made that part up, but I'm just painting the picture. Sure comes l Ron Hubbard from scientology. Look, the founder of sideology. This is Prett Scientology, though. Well, this guy's spiritual life. He is connected to as, to Crowley, alrona, Hubbard and Werner, von Braun Satan. This guy knows everybody. So welcomenected his linked in account. Six hundred and sixty six connections. What? So, okay. So what does our Ron say? So they do it. They do the Babylon working spell. What is the spell? It's it's weird. So there's some weird steps. Basically, they they do some chance, they do some drawing on the desert. Is some weird sexual stuff, and then the Babylon mistress is supposed to come right show up. Yeah, she's supposed to show up. Well, after all this happens, iron is like, Hey, I've got this business venture. How high are they all the time? I mean he's definitely addicted to drug staying right, that's what I'm saying, and alcohol, like he's very addicted to both. Ron tells them you have got this new business, exciting new business adventure on Florida. It's called somedology. It was a boating company, like but bass pro yes, yeah, no, no, no, like a r tracker, work, a tracker, BOACR. Yeah, like he's gonna sell boats, make boat, make boat, sell boats, all that stuff, it says. He says, I'm looking for an investor, I'm looking for Twentyzero to get this off the ground. And Jack's like yeah, buddy, like we just had a bond here with his whole Babylon working spell. Just Twentyzero, me more, Do you twenty thousand? Let me make your grant. Let me. Okay, hold on, inflation calculatorcom I can't believe that's not like a like a favorite, like a bookmark. I know it needs to be. What is it? One thousand nine hundred and forty two today dollar mount is Twentyzero. Twentyzero four hundred thousand, oh my goodness. So just over a small investment of a lot, a lot of money. And so he's like, he's like, you want to get in on this? And he's like yeah, that sounds interesting. So he invested Twentyzero and all around Hubbard's idea. And then he's like, all right, I'M gonna go to Florida, get the started and then I'll pay back your investment soon. Basically. Well, on his way out on Hubboard, picks up Jack Parson's wife and takes some to Florida, wife or sister, while sister, the sister who's now his wife. Okay, so the next to wife to okay, yeah, picks up wife to wife to is like hey, want to go to Florida with me? No, she's like yeah, sure, and they get married. No, she leaves him. So you're saying that. Okay. He's like, Bluh, bro You got a great business idea boats. Love It, love it, here's all my money and you know, and this is can be great. And then he's like great, thank you for writing me a massive check on the way out. By the way, what was your wife's name? What? HMM, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they got married and they were married for years. I'll Ron. And what's her face? That was her name. You go back to the sister at that point thoughout listen things and were sister left me? Yeah, for a cultists, for for a guy who's about to start a really red old. No, I know you're mad. I different, Coldist, look a different guy. It's a whole thing. Have you heard of tilling podcast March? That's right, we have a merge store full of tilling bread and teas, hoodies, mugs and so much more. We also make new designs for every single episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them while they're hot. Text till into six, six, eight hundred sixty six to get your tilling March today. So new started to kind of disseminate through the government of all the stuff that Jack was into, and the FBI was like, Hey, man, we don't like you doing this stuff anymore. Like you're two. Yeah, we all worshiped Satan, but you're too. Probably was. I was. We all sold our souls. We get that part. Yeah, for sure. One. Two things. One, you're fired too. What was your wife's name? Like the FBI is going to marry your original wife, wife one man. So luckily that they were triplets, right, so, separated at birth, it's so written. fround their other sister. What you know? What's he doing now? Not Now, but what did you after that? So after that he he gets fired and the government from the government. He has a lot of money left over. Yeah, blows through it pretty quick and then meets Marjorie Cameron, who was a movie star, and they he believes that she is the Babylon Goddess, like he sees here. He's like, I summoned to you. She's like, excusing me, it was me and L Ron. Yeah, and she's like, Oh, you know what I do kind of. I think I had a dream about that. No, stop. So, so they get married. Way does she go with it? I don't know. I mean she ended up participating in all the Thumba stuff with him after. So she was like she was a yes, I am the Babylonian Princess. She was like, how much money do you have? That's right. Yeah, so I was just thinking of a rich person is yeah, I'm definitely the like bablone. Yeah, yeah, Hey, I prayed for you. You pray for me? Yeah, Oh, okay, are you have? How much money? Yeah, I'd works in mysterious ways. Sounds like a plan. Or sorry, Satan Works and mysterious ways. What are we like? So he's into the clue. He still so he's still like an Aliser, still in his life. Yeah, yeah, so, sorry, he's still pretty set elma and so he still knows aliston whatever. And so, but then he meets this this actress and they hit it off. They get married and wife number three, yes, his wife number three, and she connects them with Hollywood and they're like hey, we like to blow stuff up in our movies sometimes and we also love Satan. Yeah, yeah, also a big Fan. And so they started contracting him to be like the demolitions expert for a bunch of Hollywood movies. He didn't do a ton. There wasn't at that time, that big of a need for it. Yeah, so you actually ended up blowing through most of his cash and ended up having to become an overnight gas station attendant, and so he was doing that, but he was also like overnight. Is what I aught at. Like, yeah, yeah, he has rough. Here's what's interesting to me. Like, I mean he definitely blew a lot of his money on drugs and alcohol taking this point in his life, but also like he had that he still had the mansion, the Max was paid off, and so he was running out rooms and his mansion and then he was occasionally blowing stuff up on Hollywood sets. But he still had to work overnight at this gas station. I mean I think the thing is he just spent too much money on the dumps and alcohol. Yeah, and he's sending a lot of money to Florida for boats. Yeah, he never got that money back from around. I hope. You know, can't wait till the guy gives me my investment and my wife back. Yeah, I invest. I expect that thirteen percent return on my wife. Yes, please, thank you. One of thirteen percent better wife. Yeah. So, yeah, he never got that money back. He actually sued Al Ron Hubbard and he lost anything writing. Well, I was wrote it was just in the sand of the desert. So I mean, like you know, it was still out there. So you go check, you know. Yeah. So, yeah, he lost that, lost that money and then, at the age of thirty seven, he was preparing an explosive for a movie set. I mean, at this point in his life he's blown stuff up. He's only thirty seven at this point. Yeah, yeah, so this a lot of life has hat packed into these thirty seven years. Where he died. So he study seving, he's in his garage, he's preparing this bomb for a movie set, mixing all these chemicals something very routine. He's done this thousands of time. Sure, and drops it and it explodes. He didn't die immediately. He did up dying hospitals. Ended up dying in the hospital. The police officer who first arrived on seen totally obliterated his house, found him in the Rubbel and Jack said these weren't these ended up being his last words. He said I'm not done. So I don't know what that was supposed to mean, but it's sparked a conspiracy theory that I wasn't an accident. So the bomb blowing up his house wasn't an accident. Yeah, so there's there's two. There's a theory that he do it. He blew up his house to hide something. There's also a theory that someone else blew him up well, the hide something. That's not a theory. Okay, it is now. I just thought here we got a new theory, new theory to theory. So he here's the deal, if I can just blow up this house, he's I'll get a new one. Insurance fraud. So He's blows. So here's the deal. He's an expert. What's your explosion covering? Sure, yeah, what's your coverage? I mean I think of my house blows up, I'm fully covered. I think I'll check with my insience only call your insurance. Random question. My House carded just because we're seeing lolow up commercials are we're seeing that, so we cover it. So the theory goes. He was an expert with this stuff. Yeah, and so and especially how it something so routine. And he's only thirty seven. So it's not like he's like to the point where he's like, but I mean, let's look at his life. It's not like he had not all. Know, I want to say, like you had a lot to live for. Yeah, well, like a'son wife number three. Yeah, you know, it's involved than a series called drug addicted, alcohol addicted stasn't been to space. Here's a question. was so I have number two for a second. He's married to the as you did. He just not care about Christmas or like Thanksgiving. Did they go still? You know, I was just thinking about what I think. When you marry your ex wife sister, you pretty much put to the rest having in laws, like you're just like yeah, all of that side of but what would be worse? What if the the inlaws? We're all for it, what if the parents were like, Oh yeah, that was that's a great match. When we met, men were like he's better. She is way more into cults than her. Oh Yeah, she's always been a you know what? What I was tent when she was ten. I found her in a room. She's calling on the devil, signing with blood that if she could join a colt she would just serve him forever. She used to just eat with her own blood right on our walls space, over and over again, like it. She probably wrote it on you space. What are you doing if you walk in your kids room and they are writing in their own blood on the walls? What do you do? What's your first response? It's probably like one of those like and then what if the words are I'm not done, then what do you do? You move and you leave that kids. You leave the you lock the door, do the thing where you move away and you leave the kid the front porch for whatever family moves in. All right, this is the else's child now. Yeah, this is a beautiful bi centennial home. It was built in one thousand nine hundred and thirty three comes this hot a child's three bedroom, two bathroom. One Thousand Nineteen Hundred Square feet. Seven year old girl in the kitchen is newly updated. Quick recommendation. The walls are all painted red and you should just leave them about. Yeah, you just want to see it, you know, I don't want to helps everything blend in a little better. That's the house is child. Yeah, you don't want to see I don't want better at all. Oh my gosh, what do you do? Yeah, anyway, yeah, that's rough man. Yeah, I mean, so, thirty seven, he blows up doing routine the tooth theories are that it was a suicide. Was a lot of people don't buy that, because he said I'm not done. Yeah, and plus, like, I mean you're also kind of find a motive, like he's okay. He said he's on his third wife, he lost his dream job, he hasn't been a space yet. He sold us, sold the devil. He never got a space. That's right. I guess I just assumed he was going to space with all the stuff. HMM. The other theory is that somebody needed him gold on. Yeah, and there's a lot of different theories on who that could be. There's the CIA, there's people at NASA, there's people within Thalama, there's people like l Ron Hubbard, there's a theory. There was actually a this is weird. There's a seven year old girl in the house. Lots of people wanted him dead. There was a cop who was convicted of murdering someone by blowing them up, and they brought him in to testify, to say, Hey, we think this is how he did it. Is that possible? They're like he was the bomb expert and he was like Oh yeah, yea, he definitely did that. And then he went to prison. And so then, if you're saying they brought in, they brought in Parse Parsons to testify against the police officer. Yeah, and then he got released from prison. Yeah, when I never was like off, show you possible? Yeah, yeah, and so so he tampered with his bomb as he was making it, so it blew him up. Interesting. So there's lots of theories on who has the mode. Honestly, a lot of people had motive to kill him, and so there's all these theories about it, but I guess whenever know what we do know. That's very strange. Shortly after his death, he died in one thousand nine hundred and fifty two following that was the space race and the S, which were two very interesting times because one we got to space in the moon, okay, if you believe that, allegedly, allegedly, and then too, there was like this, the hippie movement. It was very sexually liberating. And so if he's made eight more years, some people say like they're like his Babylon thing actually worked, like it's little Babylon call magic check thing. So he had to sacrifice himself to get there. Maybe that was the last part of the spell. Maybe that's what he meant by I'm not done. Oh, Jack Parsons reincarnated as the s were you talking about? As literally HAS THO s. You guys are going to love it when I'm gone. That's not not what I was gonna say. No, I was gonna say he reincarnated his Neil Armstrong. Oh, but I like your idea. That timeline wouldn't have worked out, I don't think. Yeah, I mean he probably just possessed them. I've got to space world where another because like he's like seeing. You can work that out right. Yeah, some things like that's one small step for me. For me, Steve Satan you always calls himself that too, because, yeah, I guess I Satan could figure that out. You're like, dude, I'm how much times you say every time. What do you mean? I Satan and not doing anything. He's always referring to him. So I comma say the same. I just want to be clear who I'm talking about. Yeah, why Satan am talking about? If you say I'm assuming you're talking about yourself. Satan, yourself. Comma Satan, right, and that's I Satan. Am talking about myself, Satan. And so anyways, Jack Parson, he really did contribute a ton to the world of rocket science. I mean NASA probably would have eventually happened, but it was founded because he was blown stuff up in the desert. Yeah, really, which is kind of crazy when you think about it. And and a lot of the stuff he did, like it ended up like it propelled the whole thing forward. Sure he was not foundationous. Who You did? Yeah, Vernavon Brown stole his glory, right, but uh, I mean he also did kind of give his glory away from the whole cult. Well, but hold, one thousand nine hundred and fifty two is around the same time. That not around the same time, but vern Bonbrom Verber, bomber Brom for verb M Brown, Verner Rom Brown, whatever. I can't say he had. When did he come over to worm with like Operation Paper Clip? They took him in the in the s right. Yeah, I would have been like mid fort so then he he's there for a few years. He arrived in one thousand nine hundred and forty five, right. So there he's working with him and then, just cut some augic, he was fired before Vernavon Braun got their hold on the dull check. I'm pretty sure he did, and I mean wasn't working on the side. They were meeting in the desert. Dude. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, they were calling, they were on each other before. I mean a short life, but he's in a worse place now. Well, I don't know. I don't know if because Satan didn't hold up his end of the deal. You know, yeah, yeah, he did it, he did it. He's like well, I mean, yeah, yeah, at the end, that's that's where he was. He was telling God he's a God. I meane like yeah, I made a deal with the devil. He didn't keep his sight. Didn't a point. Can you believe this guy? Is it? Then believe the devil wasn't trustworthy. Is I got to here's the deal. Here's the deal. If either my deal with the devil is null and void and so I need my eternal life in heaven back right, or I want my Twentyzero from l Ron Hubbard, you choose which deal you want to uphold, but I don't one of them upheld. Yeah, he's a he's in court. Yeah, he's in God's Court. He's up there just it's like the force court, but it is God's Court, all right, for the Lord of the universe. What is the song? Oh Man, I can't do it better. Is One day in your court, you know? Yeah, so, yeah, it's crazy. The Guy, I mean the people's are masses started. That's pretty awesome and connected that. AUSTER Crowley was like doing cult stuff with our on Hubb before scientology really, honestly, his investment started. I don't Hubb's boating company, which is the company that became the see. What do they call that? See? You familiar with scientology? Scientology? Know, they did hand me a pamphlet downtown can city last night the sea org. So the sea org, that's where they train all their like high level operatives and it's on a yacht that like travels on the oceans. That way, it's not in control. It's international waters. They can do whatever they want. We should do. WHAT EPISODE ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY? So I don't know anything about it. Yeah, it's interesting, but other than the fact that if you fill out the form, if you take their little personality test and the and you give them a your information, they will not leave you alone. Yeah, yeah, I ever. So then. So then you have he basically found in scientology because the CEEWORK happened through that boating company. So he funded Scientology essentially. So the things that this guy was a part of, his kind of Anas not done and he's not done pretty crazy. So the God was like listen, the deals done and void. All right, there's only one thing left. You can do up, put a bandaid on those bloody hands and get over here and fiddle off with the devil things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by connerbet social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.


The life story of the man who helped found the Jet Propulsion Laboratory is one that anyone would assume is full of intrigue. That is precisely the case with Jack Parsons, one of the lead members of the Guggenheim Aeronautical Laboratory which led to the founding of JPL. However, for Jack, his scientific exploits are some of the least exciting … Read More