Elmer McCurdy – The Dead Train Theif Who Saw The World

09-27-22

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In 1910, a train car thief popped out of nowhere and became a noteworthy robber in the history of the wild west. Using his training in explosives from the US military Elmer McCurdy robbed a series of trains and a bank in the central and southwest United States. However, his career as a thief is the least exciting thing about … Read More

Gardner Museum Heist – The High Value Theft Left Unsolved

09-20-22

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Hey Man, oh, nothing much. Oh, let the much. I don't know how to respond when you do it, unless I say okay, well, Hey man, all right about have you ever heard of, uh, the Isabel Stewart Gardner museums theft? The Isabel Stewart Gardener Museum theft. Yeah, we could refer to it as a shortened name, the Gardener Museum theft. Okay, because that is a mouthful. I thought you were gonna be like the bell start, just take off the s. We canna go by the shorter version, named the Bello Stewey, just short every the Bella Stewey Guardi Muse Um. Okay. So is it a museum about gardeners? It's lows. It's lows, it's still, it's lows. Yeah, imagine walking into a lous and the employees are like, welcome to our exhibit. But they don't talk that loud, though. No one of museums talks about enough for you to understand word they're saying. I don't understand welcome, like. What do you think the paintings are gonna be like in here? I can't be beautiful EXEC that's how I feel around my neighbors, though, when I'm son tanning outside. I saw you know, when I'm out there, like, I can't be beautiful with as much noise around. You know, everyone shut up so I can be pretty. Why do you gonna be quiet? Museums and libraries, people are at least reading. Libraries make sense. People are reading museums. Museums and people are just looking at stuff, like. Yeah, it would make more sense if you had to try to not be seen by anybody. Like I just creep around museums and if you got spotted, he shot on the spot due to the museum. Remember. So season you die. No Tim I was way too loud. Welcome to the museum. Remember. If somebody sees you, you die and you're like I just heard like ten people say that. Where are they quit looking around. They're doing it right. Can you play the theme song, but play it real quiet. The Uber drives like so you can't duct tape your head in my car. Dude, if I was uber driving and somebody trying to get in my car looking like that, as long as I'm here, it's mine. I want my cut of the crime. gave all these todd they have a lot of it hitting everybody. Yeah, things last night. So the Bella Stewie Gardner Museum theft? Uh So, this is where is the is the Gardner Museum? Yeah, okay, Isabella Stewart, Isabella Gartner Museum. That's the that's the Isabel Stewart Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum as a museum in Boston Massachusetts. Sure. Uh. So this was a heist on. I thought you were gonna say Boston market. It's a museum inside the Boston market. Would you guys like a new corn bread? Goodbye, that figure shot. That's a weird museum. This is good. So far, so, except for my brother got shot. If he could leave a review, he'd probably give it, but he can't leave a review. So this is the largest art heist in modern history. This is an art museum. If, yeah, you're the heist happen? Um, it is, thirty years on, still unsolved. Okay, so the arts stolen in this heist? Um, the pieces. Yeah, I mean, I know that you're uneducated, but that's fine. Yeah, so the arts stolen in this heist at the time, our value that two million dollars in the nineties. Yeah, today, Um, detectives. Detectives and art enthusiasts, uh, say that they think they would estimate it to be worth around seven million today. Hey, you're really close. Yeah, I know are. I own like several pieces in art. Name in art, Name and art, Name and art. Okay, I don't actually treat art that way, you know. I let it tell me what its name is, and that's how I've accrued over one point three billion dollars in art, people, three billion dollars in in an pieces. You know, asked me if I can name an art. Can you name an art? Finger painting, Arthur Reid. Yes, I hate you. Keep whatever. What do you think? So what do you think? Do you okay, I'm not wearing a watch. I keep feeling how naked my wrist is, but yeah, man, put some clothes on. Yeah, I know, it's just what those things where my arm feels super light? From the listeners. He says he feels naked because he's not wearing to watch. He's also also complete leave naked. It is really hot the office. Yeah, we can't post the video of this episode. You know, youtube bone allow it. Okay, so this heist up and that's art. That's what I'm saying. You know, it's doing this. Our podcast is okay. So here's he's a little bit of background. We gotta lay a foundation. Isabelle Stewart Gardner. She was a woman alive in the eight hundreds. She was art enthusiast. I don't know why this is so hard for me to not laugh while saying this, because she was dead. People make you giggle that people are funny, man. Okay, that's not all right. Is the Stewart? She she she was a famous art collector in the eighteen hundreds and she opened up an art museum in nineteen o three to show off her art. Right. No, it was her collections, her collection of art. She doesn't do art. Yeah, she's not an artist. She would never go somewhere and say let's do art, she would say. She would go somewhere and say thanks for doing art, for me to see art. That's all, and that's a good one. Uh So, uh. She opened up this museum in nineteen o three, this curated collection. She had spent her whole life curating Um, and then she died a little while after that and she left three point nine million dollars, or three point six million dollars, and that that day to curate and continue to operate her, her museum, which ran out of what was her home, and so this is like a historic building in Boston. Um. But again, I wish that I was rich enough in my part would be. What if I had one point three billion dollars of art in my apartment in my Kansas City two bedroom, not the best apartment, you know. Yeah, that's pretty hilarious. Um, okay. So, so how much is like the Mona Lisa? Worth a lot. Oh yeah, but I'm wondering what's the dollar amount on it right now? Let's see, Lisa Vallewo. Could somebody buy it? In theory, I mean I don't think that. You know who owns it. Who owns? So current estimate is fifty three million at the three point seven million dollars. I would imagine it's worth more than that. But I mean, like, let's say that in in nineteen two it was assessed at one hundred million. So this is conflicting. The current assessments conflicts the painting. Who Owns Leonardo de Vin diesel's? Who Owns Mona Lisa? He didn't laugh, but that was a good one. Yeah, I don't recognize this guy. I'M gonna put this picture on the street. I don't know, I don't want to see. Okay, we could move one. So okay, but stop. He actually owns the N F T version. That's what I was trying to I was gonna make a joke about Da Vinci's n F T. I think Bluuve owns it. Okay, yeah, I was acquired by King Francis, who he died and you know, like three years ago. Um, and now the French Republic owns which is kind of dumb. Like. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like there are certain pieces that are like that's got to be owned by a government. You know, French Republic debt. I'm just curious if they could get out of debt by selling. Hi, Dave, how are you better than I deserve? What can I help you with that? We're trying to get out of a little bit of debt situation currently, where three million dollars in debt. Um, oh, but there was something like that. We're trying to get that out of a little bit of debt situation and currently million dollars in debt. But we have the Mona Lisa. Well, I think you should sell that Mona Lisa. UH, that's part of Abe's deep number one. It's actually with three. I did not notice till the very end what that bit was. I just thought you didn't get it at better than I deserve. Yeah, I just assumed they were calling some dude from the US, somebody from the US, to be like we are wondering about some financial advice, and you were like, all right, he's just gonna do some dude from the US. I got a call from the French last week and they asked me how to do text. Would you like to buy? They're trying to sell it through cold calls right now. They're like, Hey, we had this half sling shot. Would you like to purchase it? All Right, okay. So this museum. Yeah, she set it up and she she left it to run it, but there was some strict stipulations. It was one of no renovations of the building. Keep it the same. It's my house. Don't change it to too, don't buy art, don't sell art, don't move art, leave everything exactly how it is. If any if you don't follow an you my rules. Yeah, what do you do? Like what? She can't stop me. Yeah, she's like, I'll take the money away and I'll take your soul. Yeah. So, yeah, so it's pretty strict stipulations on. So she's definitely haunting whoever stole this stuff. We'll get there. So in the eighties, this museum had been operating for eight years. is running out of money. Um. Well, yeah, so they've got three point six million dollars that they've just kind of had on operating expenses. I don't know where their finances right at the time, but they upgraded their security system and so what they said was they installed a bunch of cameras to the outside of of the facility and some motion sensors on the inside and then created like a police switch where they could call the police when at the touch of a button, you know, Um, kind of like McDonald's. Um. But eight after they had installed all this stuff, um, that they had like an independent security revere. You or show up. It's like a consultant. Okay, yeah, it okay, uh. And so he came and he said your security is really bad. It was. It was. It was that discovery. It's the staples easy button. It's like, whoever sold this? Do you scammed you? And like yeah, it was this company called staple. You get scammed. So, uh, it was that discoverych other show. It takes a thief, remember that show? Oh, and they try to break in its people's they do break in, they steal all your stuff and then they give it back and then they set up your house security, but they don't fix your broken doors. Um. And so, uh, it was basically that, but without the show part. So it's just kind of like this is uncomfortable. Um. So this guy broke into the museum and told them all the stuff that they did wrong. Um, and he had a couple of big notes, he said. One he said, you've got all these cameras outside. You got all these cameras outside, no cameras on the inside. He's like, so, if I can get inside, I'm pretty much home free until I gotta leave, until I have to walk out all this art, I mean inside, inside, I could do whatever, whatever I want. Yeah, but you just need to get cameras inside. That's what he said. I'm gonna tell you what, though, if that guy hadn't carried it all out the front door, we wouldn't even he wouldn't have got caught, you know, if he would have held onto it and he would have lived the rest of his game inside, if he would have the rest of his life. You just walk around museum every night. So do you work here kind of like that? Yeah, you can't see me on the camera, so I guess what you could call what I do work. It is a labor of love. You see all this, it's mine. I'm the captain. Now you're like, okay, I stole all the art in here. Know you did. It's still here. Yeah, but I stole it. Yeah, but I'm still here. It's like it's slave here. It's fine, okay, quiet down or you're gonna get shot because I'm here. It's fine, keep your voice down. This is so stupid. So and then he said. He said, okay, you've got no cameras in the inside, only on the outside. Get some cameras on the inside. Then he said here's another big problem. Um, there's only one place in the whole facility where you've got a police button. You need to have these police buttons all over the place, because what happens if your security guard isn't in the security booth to push the police button and he needs to push the police button button and near it gets some more police buttons. Uh. And then and then he said okay. Also, a lot of other art museums at the day, or just museums in general at the day, they had this policy which one hour every night they turn all the cameras off and all the police buttons off and they just let it be. Let's see what happens if you do that. They do this. Every museum does this. I'm a so this guy tells him what all these the museums do is every hour overnight, the security at museums will call the police and say, Hey, we're okay, and then every hour, every hour. Dude, I would hate to be the nine one one operator near a museum. You're like hey, now, moment, wants your emergency. Oh, this is just the museum. There's no no one. What is your emergency? Hey, this is just the museum, just calling to say everything's good. How are you okay? Can you please keep your voice down? Sorry, this is the museum. Just call it us. Everything is good. I'm fine. Thanks. Sorry. Listen, I told you, we can only I just need a update on how the museum is going. We can't keep doing this. Okay, but I just I broke things off two weeks ago. You have to quit calling. Yeah, but I have to. I know it's part of your job, but we can call, you can tell me how things are and then we have to hang on. I don't understand why we can't be friends. I just want to see you again. You know the rules. We're not allowed to see anybody. Click. I don't know. I like the idea of them, because they got to talk every hour. There's how to be romance. Oh sorry, Um, are you not operator? Um, UM, nine one one. Uh. Why? Why do you've got a relationship, you're broken up and you refer to them as nine one one. You gotta keep it appropriate. Um, okay, nine one one. I would just I would really appreciate it if next time I whispered you wis back. I wasn't worth it. Okay, so he said, he said, unless her name is Alexa, unless the nine on one operator's name is Alexa. Al Right, so he's saying call cops every hour on the hour. Yeah, he said you should do that, because then if they didn't call in the hour, then the police something's up. Let's go check it out. Is that a real thing? Museums do? I don't know if they do that anymore. I'm sure by now there's some technology that just does it for them. Um, there's a there's a room that calls every hour. I'm curious about that. That's interesting. So he recommended that they do that as well. Um, and then he said he's also another thing that a lot of uh museums do is they've installed turrets all in every room. She didn't. They didn't say that. But he gave all this advice, told them all the stuff that they should do and they just said yeah, they said that sounds like a lot of work. Yeah, they said, that's that's a lot of money. We've got the cameras outside. He's what they said. They said. They said one, that's a lot of money and we only have three points six million dollars too. They said, uh, uh, uh, Isabelle, she told us not to do any renovations and she's pretty scary. So No. So they just didn't. So they said no to everything. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this podcast you wanted more of it, please leave a review. That's super helpful to let others know who are searching for a podcast. And if you're new around here, we've been doing this for several years and there's plenty of episodes to check out. 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We can be like, you know, we always we knew why she didn't know. You know, we understood, we went to counseling, we did our our due diligence and so we know. Um, anyways, uh, two years later, uh, March Eighteenth, security guard Rick Abbeth, aged twenty three. Um, was also they shouldn't let young people be security guards, you know. Yeah, that was actually another thing that this reviewer said. He said, well here, because has let babies secure the villain, that there's no way they don't do anything right. gave all these todd they have a lot of it, everybody. Yeah, burglar or not. You know, that's why they thought they'd be go at the job. And it's like, well, you know, you need to descritch. Child Labor. Laws were different when Izzy stew was alive, you know, but she left the stipulation in her will that babies have to secure the building. Babies. Only she had some weird thing where she always pronounced a baby lawn and she thought that a powerful nation in the biblical times was baby lawn. You know, incredible. She wasn't Sparta. Yeah, anyways, so the Rick Abbath was on security and yeah, and he after the fact, he told the news that he was not excited to work that day because Um, he was hungover from, uh, the night before, which was Patty's St Patrick say, I was going to say that. Yeah. So, UM, he was really upset that he had to work that day, um, the overnight shift. Uh. So he had the whole day to rest, but I don't know. anyways, and so he came and worked the overnight shift, like he came in the night of the eighteenth. Yeah, so he drank all slept, had all day. It was like so hungover. And you know what, that's what I get mad at when people are like kids these days. You know, it's like no, no, no, no, kids all days, kids, kids at any time. I have never wanted to do with job. So he he clocks in for his security being. Um, yeah, and he is. He's a the nighttime security guard with a new ninetime security guard. He had this guard had security there before, but just not at night. This is his first night shift. His name was Randy Hesstand. His age M Oh, I was I was saying this the second gup, but that the reviewer are. One of the things he said was, hey, we need you need to pay your security guards more, so that way you could attract better security guards because they were paying just a touch over minimum wage. They said if you pay your security guards a little better, you get security guards that are good better. Um, and these guys don't know how to use a taser like that's bad advice. Don't bring up that up to me right now. Did you know? We hit a hundred patrons on Patreon? And Uh, that means I'M gonna pay a minimum wage twenty three year old to taste him. It's not gonna be now, it's not gonna be good, but you're gonna get tasted. Jared's been hanging around them all and been like, Hey, want to make seven fifties, seven just at the Independence Mall too dude. So hand around, lurking around, just behind forever, twenty one, and just like hey, you want to make seven dollars and fifty seven cents. No, it'll only be an hour. Yeah, yeah, you to commute to our office. You also have to provide a Taser and then just taste the guy. Yeah, what I've been doing at him all we could have been sending him Amazon tasers. They're pretty good. Yeah, if you don't know, if you just started listening recently about I don't know, what like three seasons ago before my brain was fully developed. Yeah, we made this plan, made this joke, this joke that I would get tasted if we had a hundred patients, at which time we would at the time, there was never a possibility of hitting a hundred. Yeah, we just didn't think we were ever going to get there. Yeah, and I don't know if you can hear in the background of this episode, we're currently building a vault Um to store my art and also to taste him. We're gonna taste me that they're gonna lock me then. Yeah, so I'm really sad about that, getting taste. So, and we're going to hire these people who do it. So the reviewer said pay more, pay, pay your security guards more, because your security guards are bad. And then he said they were bad like they just didn't catch him or what. Well, he didn't go rob the place. That was a joke, but he thought he said that your security guards are minimum wage security guards. You pay more, YOU'RE gonna get hired more qualified security guards, maybe someone who was like a Navy sealer or something, and they're like no, I'm gonna do security, someone who's just passionate about protecting art. Yeah, you never know. Uh. So, anyways. But instead they got a guy who shows up the day after St Patty's, almost twenty four hours after partying on St Patty's, and is complaining about plenty of a hangover. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, Um, he's like, I can't believe they've made me work during the month of St Patrick. It's my birthday, but that's a big brother reference every Um. So, uh, rick out of his his behavior this night. It was a little hot. Um. So, which one of us is? Which one of us is the suspect here? Richard or Randy? Are we saying, Richard, there's no suspects. Yet, this rick. Yet, this is the this is the so rick is is. He's hung over. He's Hungover, he doesn't want to be here, but he's doing a security thing. And so the policy was one guard stayed in the cards room, Um, while the other guard did the rounds. Okay, so that way, because of the way the security system set up, someone always was able to push the button if he had to, and then they had walking, played video games. I want to walk route. Yeah, so he's walking his route with his with his flashlight, and something strange happens while he's on his round. Um, a bunch of their fire alarms start going off in different rooms. Um and so, me, me, me, he's like, is that it's still a fire alarm? Is it a fire alarm? Perfect, I can call that one one. It's been on. Oh, exactly, he pulls it. He pulls the Fire Alarg I missed you. Okay. So he's doing his rounds and he's going in these rooms with the alarms are going off and he's like. He's like, I can't find any fire, and he's like, I can't smell any smoke, and so he keeps going on all these rooms. He's like, must be a malfunction. So he goes back to the guard's booth and he turns off the alarms and says there's nothing to it. Continues his rounds and Richards still in the guard booth. Yes, yeah, so he goes back and he's still in the guard so rick goes back and Randy is still there and Randy's like what's going on, and Rick is like it's fine. He's like, the firearms are going off but it's there's no fire. So it's okay, and so he turns it off. He's probably smoking in the rooms. Is probably what happened? Honestly, most likely the nineties. So, Um, so he could continues his round. He's, you know, doing his rounds. Um. Most sensors are catching him going in just about every room as sensors. Yeah, okay. And so they're catching him going just about every room, as you would expect, because he's on his rounds. Uh. And then at one point during his rounds, without notifying his partner, Um, he just goes to one of the back doors and opens and shuts it a couple of times, uh, and then just continues his rounds, which is something that he didn't do another rounds. Well, it's something that he claims he did, but it doesn't seem like you normally did it. So anyways, that's an important thing. Just in that remember that he did that might be suspicious. Might be might be suspicious calling Um, I mean while there was a hatchback out front for about an hour that a bunch of other people noticed as they were leaving a party that night, like a super U. Yeah, yeah, back, just part parked out front and sitting in the front seats were two police officers really, yes, and a bunch of people just as soon like those police just got off their shift or something and they're in their super just just chilling outside the Isabel Stewart Gardener Museum. And so these police officers hung out in the super. Rot Back for me back there and they're like, everything's fine, I don't know what you're doing. They eventually they got out of there. Hatchback. Okay, we got this on camera right because it's outside. Yeah, they walked up to the front door, they buzzed in and they said, hey, we got calls of a disturbance in the area. Can we come in and check it out? And at this point we had calls to the servants in the area and it's lucky that we've been sitting outside for three hours. We just happened to be here in the area. Could you let us in? Yeah, and so Randall Randy at at this point. Randy's now on his rounds Rick is in the Guard booth and Rick says okay, which was not their policy. Normally, if police officers would show up, they would call the police look a little different to their their pants are really short, like those wearing short, short police outfits, really tight down. We gotta call of, you know, some activity over here, and we got sit here by and ricks. She said You, yeah, she did. All right. Well, I guess we'll let you in. Just like clearly not not police officers. I'm just picture like the wrong com where the dude falls in love with the nine and one operator. Oh I love this. Yeah, we did a bit about the phone Gal. Oh, yeah, that's that's a good okay. So Rick let him in, which was not their policy. Normally the policy was called the police and be like hey, there's some police here. Are they police or are they police? And then they would make a decision. But he was just like come on in, and so then they come in and they're talking to him through the Little Guard booth window. Right, and Rick, in his report I was talking about it said one of them was a shorter man, one of them was a taller man. The Taller man had a mustache that seemed pretty fake. Um, did you say that? Yeah, and the that's what I'm saying, like there's weird fake mustaches and like the chip here, two of the microphone. This is chaos today. So that's what I'm saying. It's like they're just wearing party city police uniforms. Yeah, uh so, and I'm like hey, we're the cops. Yeah, they're like like is it cool if we look around at the disturbance? And he's like yeah, I'm sure, whatever, I'm coming over and so and then they're sitting there and one of the cops he says one of the cops just kind of looked at me reard for a second and then it was like hey, can you come out here? And he was like okay, and so he walks out. He's like you look a lot like a guy that we've got a worn out for and he's like turn around, and he makes him turn around and he handcuffs him and then earlier used. What I'm worried about if we hire a minimum wage security guard to taste you, is that you would just be able to talk your way out of it. What's the idiot who is the security guard would be like yeah, and then like yeah, I guess you have. You look like you don't have any cuffs. I've got something. I guess I like this guy. Look, it might have been me last I was crazy. I'm still hungover. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what uh? When the police first showed up, he'd called Randy was like hey, the police are here, you should come back and so as rick is getting handcuffed, randy comes up and they're like hey, turn around, like turn around, we got a few too, and he's like, he's like Oh, okay, and he like starts putting his hand in the back there and he says, he says to them, he says, he says, am I under arrest too? And the police officer was like no, you're being robbed, which is the most the freaking coolest thing in the world. And so, uh, the other I was like no, you're just stupid. So what? So they then shoot. Dude, you're short and I'm tall. Do we match the description? We were born four years after this, but who knows, I could just be an alibi. We could be able to my alibi. Thought I was born officer. It couldn't be mean I was born too late. No, you weren't reborn. Check my baptism certificate. Everything behind that is covered by the blood. Dude. I'm telling you, there was a kid in my youth group who, at a church camp, was like cussing up a storm and like he was. He was kind of like a I don't know. He wasn't the bully, he was definitely a kid who was getting bullied Um and I was one of the leaders. I tried to do my best or whatever, but like to bully Um Um, like I was trying my best to really, I get on, you know, really build up some confidence in the holies and yeah, uh, you know, build up some resilience in him. No, no, no, but he strained up. was like, you know, custom a lots, saying just horribly inappropriate things. And then later that night, after the evening service, got onto somebody and was like they don't talk like that and I was like, Hey, earlier today you said something way worried for that, and he literally went yeah, but I got safe tonight and I was like all right. It was like all right, yeah, am, I am, I saved. No, you're being robbed. So they duct taped their heads together. Why are you doing this? handcome tests. That's what I'm thinking that. What do you mean? They duct tape their heads to take their whole eyes and their mouths and stuff so they couldn't talk. And then what's interesting is they escorted them to the basement. Do this. We're not allowed to talk in the museum anyway. We have to be the basement, in the basement. What's interesting an interesting tidbit is they didn't ask for directions. They went directly to the basement. Um. So these people took them to the basement, handcuffed them to some pipes. Um when they were found. This is how they found them. So they actually like, oh, that's the way they taped their face is awful and totally unnecessary. Like they've got like a strip over their eyes and their mouth, but then they've just like wrapped it around his head like a few times, like, what are you doing? This is what he was just wearing as a security guard, though, I don't be honest, like, first of all, this is a terrifying picture. I also love that the matches are right Roy Pants. I'm saying, if I showed to a museum and the security guard is wearing red corduroy pants, I would be like, we don't even need to handcuff them. Yeah, just let him continue guarding that. I'm continue guarding, you know, and just tell him we're you know, my e might as well tell him where the gray and sons of easy stew and she wants us to come and take smart. Oh Yeah, she just called and said I need to come to they don't even know who she is. They don't know she's gone. Of course this guy, I don't this is victim blaming, but of course he got rocked, you know, because they're in the dark, like they're sitting in the dark. Yeah, they said they were stuck down there, which sucks. Um. So, yeah, bummer for them. And they couldn't talk to each other. Yeah, they were just tied up, Um and so, uh, what's very interesting is for thirteen minutes the security system, like the motion sensors, didn't pick up any motion in the building. Uh. And so what the police think is they were waiting to see if the police got called, Um, to see if they like still for thirteen minutes. Yeah, that'll just sat there in the basement completely still. A right. I think we're I think we're clear. You guys didn't call the police. Do Too. How are you going to answer? Their heads? Their head there's dictape together. They're trying to signal. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of perks like add three episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking us out. So then, after thirteen minutes, the first room picked up motion Um and then they went room to room and what they did is they took the the frame off the wall, which set off an alarm. But that alarm, all the alarm did, was set off an alarm that the security guard would then say, Oh hey, it sounds like something's happened. They were in the basement like something's going on, because the idea for all it did was make a sound. So then the security guard but pushed the button to call the police, but they knew that. They knew the button was only in that room. So when that alarm went off, the robbers did yeah, so when that alarm went off, they knew no one was gonna call the cops. They just smashed the alarm and then just kept working. And so for eighty one minutes. They went room to room, took frames off the motion detector. Doing that, we had no camera footage. Correct, no camera footage, but they went room to room taking frames off the wall, smashing the alarms and then cutting the painting out of the frame and rolling it up. Uh, and then, uh, after eighty one minutes, they left and you see them on camera and their little police uniforms walking out with all of these rolled up paintings and the what? This is a really weird thing that they took hold on. Let me get that name of this right. Is there like an image of them walking out? Um, I don't know. Actually, UM, they took a French Imperial Eagle, finial. Um. Let me actually throw this up so you know what this is. Um, which is weird because this is like literally zero value. Um. But it was in the museum because it was on a flag that Napoleon dynamite owned, sorry, Bonaparte, uh, owned, uh, and they sold this, but it had zero value. It's just one of those things that sticks at the top of the flag. So it was like, hold on, let me see. It was one to three, four, six, seventy nine h eleven paintings that thing and then, like a candles, a Chinese candlestick, Um, one minutes to take eleven paintings. Yeah, uh. And then, uh, yeah, they walked outside, got in their hatchback, their super rout back. What kind of vehicle was it is a red hatchback. That's got. We don't have any images of that, though. Let me see. So this is a picture of, uh, the security footage painting of the robbers in the middle. There they convincetioned a really good painting. Shoot, Dude, look at that top corner. Tell me that's not my dad. Oh No, oh no, I mean I gotta find a picture of my dad in the nineties and you're gonna be like, Oh, crap, um. So, yeah, so, I mean you see him walking out there, but you can't tell anything. Yeah, it might as well be the ghost of of Isabella. Yeah, uh. And so, uh, what paintings did they take? They took hold on, let me pull it back up. They took what I mean like so, you you steal a painting, you can't sell it. Yeah, so they took a bunch of paintings that you've probably never heard of. Um, there are one, two, three, uh four rembrandts. The most important one in there, though, is the storm on the Sea of Galilee, which is the only ocean scape he had ever done and it was a one of one. So that was really the most valuable steel on there. There's also a manet, a couple of Degas, money, m a n et not money, Um, and Vernier, um. So there's a lot of a lot of just random arts. Um. So, yeah, this value was valued at two at what's strange is they left a lot of much more valuable pieces in the museum. Okay, so I was wondering. So they didn't know what they were taking? Yeah, they didn't. They didn't have a concept of how much all this stuff was worth. They were just nabbing what they could and they left. UH, they put the frames back on the walls and because of the stipulations from Isabella, they've just got them sitting there because they can't remodel. So they just got these empty friends of them mop that is to this day. And so anything that was stolen is still the frames up on the wall and it's got his little placard on it telling you what it is, but it ain't there. Um. So yeah, so the police Um the next morning, the next shift of security guards show up to do security, Um, and they buzz in and nobody answers, and so they're like well what? And so they one of them had a key, so he keys him, goes to the security booth and nobody's there. So then he calls the cops and he's like it's the button. He's like hey, nine, one, one, and she'said. Not Again. He's like no, it's serious, I think something's happening. And so then they hang out outside because you know their children and they don't. So police show up, they find all these these empty frames on the wall and then they find those the security guards in the basement. They have been there all night. Um. I think it was eight fifty one in the morning when they found him. Um, and they're like, oh my gosh, did you get arrested? And we got robbed. Did you guys get arrested? MM HMMM. They got a tape over their mouth. They get um. So there was a couple of immediate persons of interest. Number One, Rick Abbeth. His behavior was very odd that night. Opening the door, clearly drunk, tape yourself, let the let the police in. Um. Very odd behavior and very vocally hated his job was was the experienced security guard on the shift. The other guy was not, and so he was immediately like target number one of person who probably did this or at least was connected to it in some way. The police took him in to interview him, Um and uh, and he was like it might be the real like he's never gonna Trust the police again. First of all, this question for am I being robbed? You're being arrested? No, yeah, sorry, I just I have trauma. You're being robbed. Uh. And so the police bring him in for questioning and they interview him and they do the interrogation, they ask him all the questions, they go through all this stuff and they end up, uh ruling that he could not be a part of it and rolling out of the case for the express reason of him and and Randy, the other guy as well, where too incompetent to pull us. Not Smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, and like no, there's no way. Yeah. So they got ruled out of this Um and so they said, well, that's what sucks about being smart. You know, people thinking crimes. That's exactly what you know. You're smart enough to commit a major crime. Don't ever put that on me. The next big, big target for who this might be was a guy named Whitey bulger. Um, okay, who was? He went by Whitey. Uh. Yeah, I don't know if that was his name or a nickname. A nickname. Actually, I can find out pretty quickly. Let's find out. Um, it honestly, could be witty. No, it's Whitey. His name is James. Went by Whitey. That's a criminal. Yeah, yeah, so he was the, uh, the leader of a crime syndicate in Boston known as the Winter Hill Gang. Um, and they were like, it's most likely, he's most likely connected to this, because he does, he doesn't, he does tons, tons of crimes. I hear criming. And so they took him in and they asked him for quite all these questions and he said no, but you tell me when you know who did this, because they owe me money. They did this in my turf, like they owe me money, they owe me, and they're like yes, Mr White telling the police, like no, I didn't do it, but tell me, when they mind, who did, because I want my cut, and you're like what? I want my cut of the crime? Why? You know who we are? Yeah, I know who you think I care? I got a million robbers who look like you. Well, that was one of the that was one of the reasons why they was bold to tell the police. I want to know because they owe me money. And then the police are like yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, yes, you can go down. Actually, thank you for coming in today. And they pay him, like what are you doing, like here's said of fifty seven. This is all, like I said, seven dollars. Thank you for UH. So one of the reasons. Obviously, he was like the leader of the big syndicate in the area. But there's a couple of things that were interesting because, one, he had a lot of dirty cops, and so they said that one makes sense if he was able to get some cops to come do crime. Um. Also, uh, he had a wasn't that be weird to be on a police force that you're like, I know some of these comps are dirty. Yeah, yeah, that would be like sketchy. That's difficult. Um, and he was also connected. It's I mean it's hard enough to be a co host of a podcast knowing that my co host is compromised. You know. Anyways, Um, he was also connected to the IRA UM and the I R S, but mostly the IRA, the independent regulators of agriculture. It was like a called back. I know, it's Food and Drug Administration, guys. Okay, you didn't. I didn't whatever. Uh, the Irish Republican Army, which apparently is like a sketchy organization. Um, and so he was connected the IRA and the calling card of the IRA was setting off fire alarms, Um, when there wasn't a fire, and so they would do that when they times. But it's odd that the fire alarms went off before anyone else was in the building, and so that would make you think that rick has to be connected to the to the IRA and to the event. If that. If that. Yeah, but they did the interview. Why? He refused to take a lot of detective test he said, I'm not involved and I'm not going to take a lot of tective tests. Give me my money when you find it, and they said yes, sir, and so they ruled him out of the case. Another, another suspect was Brian McDevitt. Um, uh, he was a suspect because, um, he was a Boston man who in Glen Falls, New York, Auston man's kind of Boston. If you know how they are. This happened in Boston round all the men. I don't know about the Boston man. We're not gonna leave here until one of you tells us who did it. Who did it? I'm covering the Harvard molasses. So, uh, this guy, Brian McDevitt. UH, nine years before this had attempted an art heist in Glenn Falls, New York, and the heist has some similarities. So what he did is he dressed up as a fedex driver, he carried handcuffs and duct tape and he planned to steal a rembrand painting. That was his goal. His target was a ram brand. Um. He also loved flags, and so it makes sense that he would take the little pull at the top of the fire. Loves flag. Don't know. Everybody loves imagine that on your dating profile you're swiping tender and someone's like, I love flags. What, Dude, flag day. He gets so high about flag day. Why don't we have any songs Friday? Like what? No, we didn't, you because you made plants on flag day. I'm not going to work on flag day. You guys. Yeah, it should be. It's I can't believe I'm even schedule to work the day after flag day, I would be so hungover. It's like the beginning of June. He's out there just hand all these flags from his gutter. We mean he's into flags, and they were like yeah, well, he likes flags, so he's probably a he just really like flags. Um. And he fit the description of the larger robber, like he looked similar to the larger robber and he's actual in the case. Um, the only problem was with the hide collection. Was the collect he tried to Robbin. Uh. Well, he dressed up as a fedex driver, did all the stuff, Um, and he stole a Fedex truck, went to go do it, got caught up making deliveries, you know, pretty close, got stuck in traffic and by the time he showed up the museum was closed and he couldn't get in. Rats. I thought you would saying he took the Fedex truck. He was like he don't need their packages first and then just started living out and he's been a fax driver ever since, driver, ever since. It's like there's a guy. Did you see the news story of the Guy who just drives a city bus who like just goes and steals busses and then just drives the route? No, or maybe it's trains. Does he do the train? Does he do with the train? I think it's the train. I saw an art of Cole and it was the busses too. Have to look it up, and something like that. There's a guy who took the took the train and then just, you know, took it to the stations. That's so funny. Um. So they interviewed this guy and they deemed that, no, he didn't do this, Um, because he was stuck in traffic, in trouble, I think, thirty months, Um, just for stealing the Fedex car though. Yeah, yeah, for stealing, for it was like stealing a FEDX car and and conspiracy to commit oh interest. So they didn't know that. When he just he was like yeah, he's always trying to do yeah, they don't give him that. The security guards were hanging out in their corduroys out front, like what are you doing, man, and he's like I'm here to rob you, and they're like you mean arrest us? Like, Dude, we're we closed four hours ago, blumber. Yeah, they weren't closed. That was just what they tell people. Yeah, that are trying to rob them. Yeah, they're consultant. We're closed. Funny. So uh, yeah, they ruled him out. The other UH big turning event was in a letter shows up to the museum. It's like your suspects have been born. Happy Birthday. Rely suspect Jeremyer's and timstone. They don't know each other yet, but they did this crime. One day a time machine and there. Cut that out out, take that out, sleep it. One day they're gonna one day they're gonna get a time macheet and at least give a little bit of context. So so this letter comes and basically this person was saying hey, museum. It was a letter of the museum and it was like hey, museum. UH, they're like, Hey, we know who who did the crime. We don't know them, but we've been talking to them more pen pals and they're ready to send the art back for a small feet. But yeah, what they want is they want the reward that you're offering at this point. They're offering a ten million dollar reward for anybody who can find the art, because they're like, we miss our our owls, and so they're like they'll, they'll send that to you if you wire the money. To this offshore account. Don't worry, they've got them in a climate control space in a country that doesn't have any laws. This is a noncommon law lunch country, lunchry, non uncommon law country. Uh, it is what they said. They're like they got a climate control safe. It's safe, okay, but sending the money to an offer account and then write something? uh, write a note, a coded note, in the Boston Globe, on the May first edition of the Boston Globe, so we know it's you, and say hey, we were doing it, and then we'll send this to your door via Fedex. There's a great deliver and you can have your art back. And the FBI was like sending back a letter, tell me we're doing it, and the fbis they did, and then they never heard from him again. Um, so they sent the money? Yeah, well, I think the rehearsal got a little too real for him and so then he just didn't show up anymore after that. They send the money, though? They didn't send the money. So they sent the letter back to say okay, we'll do it, and they actually printed the thing in the Boston Globe, I think. But then they never heard from the letter writer again. So Um. After that the police were basically just like, we're pretty sure it was someone from the Boston Mafia, but we don't know who. All right, in nineteen the FBI was like we know who did it, but they said we're not gonna tell you. We know who did it, Dude. They're like the caddy little mom at church WHO's like, Oh, I you know, I saidn't unspoken prayer request. The FBI was like, we haven't spoken suspect, I don't ask me who. They came forward and said they knew, knew who did it, but they said, but the suspects are dead. Both of the suspects are dead, and they said we don't want to reveal their names because we don't want to reveal our informant because we have ongoing investigations that they're still informing us about. Um, and we're still trying to find the art. The prevailing theory is that it was a Boston mob member, Um, who had uh stolen these things, attempted to sell it multiple occasions but they couldn't get it off their hands. Um. And there is a member of a BOPs, a son of a member of the Boston mob, who said that they had a false bottom in their shed and under that false bottom he said he never got to see what was in there. But he said what? One day there was this flood and it ruined whatever my dad had in the bottom of that and he lost it. Um, and he says, UH, his dad died in the men two thousands. He went in there to see what was in don't know it was. There was nothing in there. And so the prevailing theory is that that guy was flooded it and those are gone. Yeah, and they're gone forever. And Isabella, that Ghost killed that Guy's dad. You ruined my paintings. Well, and flood of the base. She's like, if I can't have it, no one can. Flip. Um, that's spooky. There's just empty frames at the yeah, and so, yeah, they've just left the empty frames up there. Um, I am, at this point, honestly very confident that uh rick had something to do with us. Yeah, I think he. I think he got lucky because he's done and the police were just like, oh, yeah, he didn't do anything, he's too dumb. But I don't think he masterminded any of it. But I do think that the mob approached him and was like hey, we'll give you, like if you just get arrested tonight, you want to make seven dollars and video seven sins. Yeah, yeah, sure, I opened this door when the coast is clear a couple of times and then we'll come in and when the ghost is clear. Yeah, in the coat. You know what? Sure know when the ghost is clear. What do I do when the ghost is cleared? Because there's a ghost in there? You're perfect for this, exactly who we're looking for. Yeah, sweet calls, mom. I got a new job. I don't even have to quit my current job. I need to go to ripe man. Do you any like hangover tips? Yeah, very hungover. Sorry, mom, didn't mean to tell you that. He did find out, though, if you duct tape your whole face shut, that cures your hangover pretty quick. It's like he's like every time he drink everything, HEC Gosh, I'm not feeling great today, Grena Gard still at the club. Back to your u. The Uber drive is like, so you can't duct tape your head in my car. If I was Uber Driving and somebody trying to get in my car looking like that signy cancel trip. Can you imagine doing at Uber X and one of the other passengers. Soul ends just it's like, Bro, why did you do that? Help my hangover and hungover. Okay, all right, the other guy's just drinking anti freeze, like I've heard. I heard it freeze, so I thought maybe backwards. Yeah, you know, give me toothpicks for the sandwich. Uh. Wow. So that's the that's the I think he's got it. He's he's still alive, though. He's still alive. Yeah, I mean he's got to be. I don't know. We got to interview, but yeah, he would be. What if he was twenty three? Then it's been three years, mid fifties. We gotta try to interview. Yeah, that's find him lovel with us. Rick, one part of this. Do you think he knows how to log in the Internet? He's dumb. I don't know how, Tom you know. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he thinks every female and now when one operators his girlfriend. It's been a long time. I have no idea. Who is this? Who is this? Don't play that. Don't play games. You know who it is. Okay, where's your emergency emergencies? In my heart, I miss you. There's no fire, but there's a passion that's burning. Okay, all right, passion cat am I being ARRESTA right now? No, you're being fiddled off. Things on them last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connor beat social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg, our host, or Jarren Meyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. THAT'S T I L O in podcast. Leave a review, comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.


The Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum is home to a precious art collection once owned by the infamous art collector after whom the museum was named. That collection has likely sparked nefarious thoughts in many visitors dreaming of the potential wealth hanging on those walls. Two robbers, dressed as policemen, realized those dreams on March 18th, 1990. Today the FBI estimates … Read More

The Panama Canal – How the Gold Rush Led to the World’s Greatest Project

09-13-22

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Hey, man, what's going on? Oh, not much. How was California? Oh, I'm a blue haired hippie liberal. Now you know. I went. Yeah, the audio listeners. I have a lot of piercings on my face now you know. Um, no, it was great. I had a good time. I feel like trash because I did. It was nine days of vacation. We did two days in Vegas, two days of a family wedding. Oh Gosh. Have you ever had a Disney corn dog? Oh Gosh, I'm not joking. I'm not joking to Disney. Have you ever had you've had a fair grown court dog, court dog, corn dog, like a fairground, but that's like gross. I mean it's it tastes amazing. Taste amazing. No, no, no, here's what I'm saying. Taste amazing, but you know that the hygiene of the corn dog trailer at a county fair is probably a bar. Yeah, I ordered something that drive through the other day and it was early, like probably ten am, and the guy handed me and my food and his fingers looked like he had been changing oil all day and I was like you can keep it, you can keep my kee, keep my money, keep that belongs to you now oil hands. All right, that guy's name is court dog. So Um, no, you don't talk about like the deliciousness of a good county fair corn dog's tasty. Add Disney money behind that so that you trust the hygiene of it. So there's like that layer of like am I gonna die when I eat this is gone. So now you're just enjoying a corner and now it's just good and I ate quite a few. I'm jealous of that. That sounds great. Oh, what a good time. I feel. I feel disgusting. I've had milkshakes and Burgers and pizza and now that was my nine days of vacation and this morning I just breathed real heavy for unch for the week and I was like wow, I was thinking about health advice because I've been getting a lot of like tiktoks of like, you know, here's, here's how to eat healthy, whatever, and it is all over the place. Yeah, we we, we need to call this out, because we're not. We can leave it in, I guess. Uh, we're just doing tangents and I feel like you're gonna be like so, anyway, have you heard of aliens? Anyway, Oh, I saw it in your eyes. Godly, let's just get to it. Alright, roll the theme. Tim Texts me no context and just said I'm about to fight ever one of our Patriot supporters, and it was the Eiffel Towers. There's two of them. There's a sing shot, which is fitting because that was exactly a hundred years after France. Real, happy, okay, happy, okay. Things I learned last night. Okay, health stuff, okay. There's these dudes out here who are just like, every morning I eat eight Burger patties with the alvida cheese poured all over it, Bacon. The only thing is just don't eat the Bun. You know, you can like and like. That's their health advice. But the next video was a girl who was like yeah, I had four raspberries and for dinner I'm gonna eat a tic TAC and like that's what and he's just like this is so polar opposite. It's because nobody knows what they're doing. That's what I'm saying. It's all made up, like nothing real, but it is insane to me that like those, you know, big macro kind of guys that are just like yeah, it's all about getting the macro's Hi fat, like the Keto stuff, is just disgusting food, and they're just like, yeah, this is healthier than's like yogurt and for you. Yeah, yeah, but there. So my diet, you know, I have lost a hundred pounds. I don't know if I've talked about it before. Um, but if you eat, don't eat county fair corn dogs, but Disney corn dogs dogs. My Diet is whatever you want. Whatever you want. Makes some NACHOS, put some Mac and cheese on your nachos with a little bit of Cholula hot sauce. But the key, here's the here's the key. If you want to lose weight, listen to till, the podcast while you eat. Helps you digest differently, moves it through your system, cleans it out. The cleanest way to eat. Yeah, and we're just allowed to say it because all of it's made up. Anyway, what we're talking about? Have you ever heard of the Panama Canal? What have you heard the Panama Canal? Yeah, I guess. Is that what we're doing? Yeah, okay, yeah, don't worry, I can work aliens into there. They the idea. Okay, they said, you know what, this stretch of land needs river, river. The other English isn't great. Yeah, they're still learning. Uh. No, okay. So the Panama Canal, uh, you've probably heard of it. It's a canal that runs through Panama right here. Yeah, I love, love how we're saying Panama. How would you say Panama, Panama? How would you say Panama? Panama, Panama, Panama. We're saying that. Whatever. It's fifty miles long. Basically, there's a stretch of Panama where, uh, right there in the middle, the continents really really short earthan and Um, somewhere along the line of history, someone was like hey, this would be a great way to get through the country if the country wasn't there, UM, like for sailing. And that person was Charles, the fifth in four. He had this dream of turning part of this literal continent into a river so he could take his boats through it. So they were like, all right, let's dig it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had this dream, and so he actually like contracted some of his like engineers and architects to figure out if it was possible, and they said there's not a prince in the world who has the resources to pull this off, and he was like yeah, but what about a kick a thing? I'm not a prince. Prince, you losers. And for uh, really like two hundred years there had been dreams. One guy out there with a shovel. Two Hundred Years. Really, for about two hundred and fourteen years, there was Daniel Mayan, Daniel out there in the Panama Canal. Charles was like, you don't we'll pay you a lot if you did it, and he did it. The six will follow up with it. Don't worry, because they'll all be there will always be a Charles Um to pay you out there wasn't um so. And then there's just this long line of people who had this dream. Thomas Jefferson was one of them. In seventeen sixty eight he said it would be really nice if this country wasn't um and we could just take our boats through there, and that was a direct quote. It would be really nice if this country wasn't I want to take our boats directly through it. Signed Thomas Jefferson. He signed everything he said. Signed. Yeah, what if we did that too? Yeah, that's a great idea. Signed Jared Myers. Yeah, WE'RE gonna sign the end of a campaign video. So so what? What was with Charles the eighth or whatever, Charles the Um, Charles the fifth, in what year, was like let's cut this thing in half. Four, and then two years later, Tamis Jeffersone's like that. It was a good idea. Yeah, continually people just kept saying, Hey, like remember what Charles said, we should do that. But then everyone was like yeah, but remember all the people who paid to figure that out, and they said we can't do that, so we can't do it. And so they kept like sending surveyors and people to try to figure this out. But in Um eighteen, just off the whim of one guy who was like yeah, I bet we could cut that place in half pretty much nice. Uh. In the forties there was this thing called the gold rush and everybody was going across the continent to California to get some gold. Here's the problem. If you looking for last week, you know in some in some neighborhood in L A, just digging. I'm looking for gold, for gold. Um. Here's the thing. If you successfully, I don't know if you know this, if you successfully made it across the organ trail, Um, you're probably the last one you know that made it. If you succeed everybody died if you got gold. Here's the here's this rough part about this scenario, that you have to get there. You gotta take it back to sell it, and getting across, back, across, that's a tall order. I know. I played the game. And so there was this issue with the gold rush where everybody who was finding gold was struggling to sell their goal because they only had each other. Yeah, and there I got all those gold and I was like yeah, yeah, I don't want to. We're the only two people who made it. We both have yeah, well, you want to buy some. What do you wanna do with this gold? Well, one day I'd like to cut a country in half. To be honest, it's actually pretty close. UH, they said. They said, you know, traveling all the way across America is tough. Um, even today it's still tough. It's the worst bad drive. Um, but imagine doing that in in the freaking forties. And so someone was like, you know what, it would be easier to sail to the east coast through through the Panama Canal. But but there was the isthmus of Panama. But you ever named that? I hate them. Isthmus, Isthmus Isthmus Isthmus I need to bring something up. Um, please do I don't know. You've been distant because of your vacation, which is great. Enjoy your vacation. Disconnect, it's fine. Remember the last nine days. Yeah, were you talking about distant? You've been distant, or you really discord crap, Oh man, there has been a full war in the discord since you've been gone. Um, you just don't we got to book that out, uh, by the time this episode comes out. A few weeks ago there was an episode where I used the phrase white rabbit. Um, what you meant was red herring. No, I met white rabbit. Um. Our patrons seems to think that a white rabbit and a red herring are different concepts, but they are the same. Um, there's a there's a ven diagram, there's a there's a red herring. I want you to know, listen, that Tim texts me no context and just said I'm about to fight every one of our patron supporters and I thought, Tim, this is it, this is Tim's Day of reckoning. They found an old tweet. You know he's going down and uh, nope, Sir enough, it's just Tim's pride getting in the way here's the there's a thing, there's a D it's just a red herring. There's a diagram for red herrings, right, and you got the red herring and that is here, and then you've got the they overlap. There's a moment where, if they're different, if something's a red herring, it's throwing you off the scent, but if you don't follow it, it stays a red herring. It's just a red herring. A white rabbit is when you've chased the rabbit, and so a red herring becomes a white rabbit when you begin to follow that trail, even though it's false. Um, a white rabbit and be true, though a white rabbit can be just a waste of time. That's true, but not like doesn't get you where you need to go. I'm pretty sure the white rabbits. The thing that would make a difference is that the red herring is a true thing, but it has no relevance to the topic at hand. The white rabbit is a false trail that you followed. Yeah, may be right. Even still, all this, everything we've gone through, you pausing an episode to discuss the red herring white rabbit debate and me calmly explaining. Here's the small difference, and you win. I guess we should cut it out. But here's the thing. So now we have a new threead and we have a new thing. I started this morning. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. You're so into this. Yeah, I've changed my user name in the discord to the Lord of the rabbits. Yeah, and I declared up. You don't at Gmail Dot Com, Lord of the rabbits at Gmail Dot Com. Do you know what I have that? That's pretty crazy. It's only I wanted to meet the Lord of the rabbits. Oh well, here I am. Science seal delivered. So so, basically, you need to decide which party are you and are you a herring or are you a rabbit? I'm part of the hair and herd. H You, and you have to throw. You have to throw your Emoji in your user name so we can identify you in the discord Um anyway. So there's a full war. I don't know how it's gonna Resolve, but I'm losing a lot of money. I'M gonna I'm drunk for power right now. All right, if you're interested in the Panama Panama Canal. I'm really sorry that you've listened to all this. Sorry, sorry, we followed that White Rabbit speaking of the drug for power. Um, these people wanted to sell their gold and be really rich. Uh. So what they started doing is they took their boats for in California and they rode them across the ocean to Panama, to the Isthmus of Panama. And what they said is there's a port on both sides of this isthmus. If we it's easier for us to travel across. Yeah, it's a it's a fifty mile trip across. So they'll port, get everything out, take the fifty mile trip, hit the other part, take another boat up to new with all their stuff, make a bunch of money. That sounds like a bottleneck for gold thieves. Oh yeah, that's a good place to hang out if you want to rob people. Oh Yeah, if you want to get some t VP. Where is it now? Just curious. I don't know. When I was we were driving, I used to tell people that, well, that's a great place to hanging out if you're trying to rob people. We were driving around. Oh yeah, there's the West Toronto building, there's the World War One real that alleyway, great place to hide out. Yeah, that's my that's my rob stop right there. So pretty good. Oh my God. Okay, Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this podcast you wanted more of it, please leave a review. That's super helpful to let others know who are searching for a podcast. And if you're new around here, we've been doing this for several years and there's plenty of episodes to check out. One of my personal favorites is agent Garbo. Is a guy who went to the government during World War Two and was like hey, let me be a double agent and they were like no, and then he was like well, I'm gonna and so he kind of went off on his own did the thing. It's also got some crazy details about world war two, about how the US use inflatable tanks to trick Germany, all kinds of fun stuff, but if you want to go check that out, you can. Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. But here's the thing. Uh, it was still I think. Here's the thing that here's what happens when you get a lot called. Here's what happens when you become really rich overnight, but you can't spend your money, yet you begin to taste or your mouth salivates with the dreams of what the life you're about to have it. Oh, dude, yeah, me, as soon as I stepped on the Delta Sky Club, like I'm not, like, I'm not like rich, but like I get up there and I go, Oh, yeah, you're said, this is an unlimited buffet. Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure you texted me a picture of your food and you said this is why the rich are so disconnected from all of us Poors. Yes, because they get tacos. And I showered at the airport. They get tacos in the shower at the dude, I was in the airport taking a shower and for a moment I thought, oh, man, like I can, I can never go back, you know, and that's that's that's how it must have felt have a boat full of gold rolling up to Panama. Yeah, so they roll in their boat and then I can get it. And I'm making fun of the hold the Panama. You say Panama the way George W Bush says nuclear. Say Panama, Normal Panama, Panama, Panama. We're saying it the same way. There's a venn diagram a Panama, Panama. So you got your gold, you poured it one side of Panama. Yeah, and then they said it would be really nice this fifty mile walk, we have to do gold, if we could just not have to walk that, because they are already getting used to not walking. Um. And so what they did is they paid locals to carry them. Is they got the United States to build a railroad. You just went on without it. I was like really, I was like, okay, how many golds would you need? Come here across the isthmus? And it's still Daniel who was sent back in time from quick books. He's now he's a carrier. You know he's freaking did you say it from quick books? Remember that. It's a call back, but that's fine. Yeah, your brains dumb. So, anyway, there's our listeners got it because they're intelligent. Well, joined the rabbit. Um. So they build a railroad. Do you guys built the railroad. Um, and things went great, because now the US did it, because they were like, we can get all that gold money. Yeah, great, they wanted the gold money and they said we're powerful than you, so we can just put a railroad in your country and you can't stop us. Um, what it really what really happened, was more of a hey, this is good for your nation, because now a bunch of stuff is happening here. Um, yeah. So they were like, we'll build the railroad if you let us do it, and you got they're like, no more gold robbery. Um. So they built the railroad, but here's the problem. They built that railroad and then they realized, man, this is still pretty inefficient, because we're docking, we're unloading, loading the train, riding the train just to load another ship. And then they're like, man, Charles was right, this should be cut in half. We should just cut this country in half. And so a lot of people were floating the ideas back and forth, Um, and someone called this dude in France. He was like, Hey, cut it in half, and then someone was like no, no, they can have it. That's that's the Rema, that's the Panama. That's another Bible joke. Sorry, guys. So somebody called Ferdinand de lesseps. He's a French dude, Um, most known for building the Suez Canal, and he succeeded at that and got a little too confident. Um, he was like, he's like pick some land, I'll turn it into a yeah, yes, we canal. Did you say? I can? Now? I can, I can. Uh. And so he was really confident that he could turn this into a canal. Um, here's the issue about Um, the difference between the Suez and the Panama Canal, though, are the isthmus of Suremou at this point. Um, Panama. Uh, it was a very mountainous region with thousands of feet in elevation. Raised between this fifty Mile Span, Suez is just an empty desert, and so they just dig. It was flat. You do straight through desert. There's no elements, no climate, is just kind of hot. Um, Panama, rainforest, uh, mountains, bugs, snakes, bugs and snakes and stuff. Yeah, it's it's different. It's a different scenario. But he was confident. He was like, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna come here and we're just gonna dig straight to sea level through all these mountains and then we're gonna have ourselves a canal. And Uh, what year was this? Eighteen eighty one was when he started. So they I mean so in the eighteen forties of the gold rush. This whole time, how soon did the gold rush. Did they start running things around down through Panama? I don't know how soon they started running them. I know they they built the railroad in eighteen fifty. Okay, so it's been by thirty years of the railroad doing its job. And they're like, guys, this is like this is fine, but you know, it could be fine. You know, it could be there. Guys, this is big, but it can be bigger. Yeah, I have more, we could have more. And so uh lisps is like taking tiggle through the mountains all the way to the bottom, just a lot. Just take a dig and really get his hands in the dirt, just dig, digging all the way down there, getting all the way down to the sea level. And Stop. Eiffel. You might know him from his tower, the Statue of Liberty. Oh, no, yeah, you're right, Eiffel Tower. No, yeah, he built the Eiffel Tower. He built it. Yeah, well, he designed it. He was like, what if we, the people who get named after they don't do the work? They what if we built the tower? And they were like, he said, what would that do for tourist attraction? It was two sides of where the canal would be and it was the Eiffel Towers. There's two of them. There's a sling shot. He's like, we sling shut the boat across the the guy who made the eiff what about giant sling shot? No bad idea, and he said, I still built one and I guess we'll put it in France. I'm already halfway down with those projects. I'm already halfway done. You can't build the rest. And so that's it's just one side of a sling shot. The Eiffel Tower is half a slingshot. Is What your theory is. That was his idea. It was a little bit better. It was. It was the fifties, though. You know, you can't fault him, and you can't fault him. It was a little mouse in his hair. It was building. No, Eiffel was like. was like, bro He told Lips. He said, lesps, you're gonna try to dig through the mountains to sea level, like that's it's like literally ten thou feet of digging Um for fifty miles. And he's like this is gonna take forever and probably work. Well, Um, he's like. He's like he said what you need to do is you need to bring the ocean up the mountains and liceps was like, you idiot, do you hear what you're saying? You can't take the ocean up. He's like, we need to bring the land to the ocean. You can't take the ocean up. So you didn't listen to him. Um. So they started digging and uh, it took a while. They spent, uh, let's see here, um, eighteen years spent digging. Um, they didn't finish. They spent two and eighty seven million dollars in that day's money and equivalent of ten point two billion dollars today, just digging to not finish. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. It failed because, um, they were digging through these mountains and so they were regularly um having these mud slides that were literally filling it back in. Um. They're also because what happened is it's in the middle of a room. I told you, so I can start second tower. We can do we can begin step shot fools pride. I guess we we so the other issue was because they were in the rainforest. What was happening was they would have these big mud floods and then the bottom of these ravines would get very moist and then a bunch of mosquitoes would come and bite the workers and give them Hillaria, and so it became this rampant issue among the workers. They're dying. Yeah, by the end of the project, due to one malaria, two heat exhaustion and three getting buried in these mud floods, two workers died. Holy Cow. So a massive like over how long we're eighteen years, eighteen years, and it feels like a thousand people a year. It feels like somewhere along those lines somebody should have said hey, this isn't going well, this isn't going great, guys, Um. Well, that's what I'm saying. It is like the pride gets in the way of this. It has to work, and there is there is too, like once, once something like that happens, like once you cross a certain thresholds, like we got to do it for them, we have to make it worth then they died in vain if we don't do this. Yeah, and so really they did. That's so annoying. Well, not really. I mean there's so the French ended up pulling the plug and actually took liceps and a bunch of his organization. They made them declare bankruptcy and actually put him on trial. For it because they said that they weren't truth. Yeah, they didn't think this through, Um, but there was one guy in their organization, organization by the name of Philippe, but now of Aria, who didn't get in trouble, I don't know why, Um, and he stayed there and he said, you know what, I believe in this canal and I think this canal can now, uh canal, and the can in canal. So he was like, he was like, I cannot give up on this canal. I'm sticking, sticking back here and making sure it happens. So he started like digging by himself, day in, day out, nonstop. Still out there. He's predicting to this day. Uh No. So he started devising a plan of how he was going to make this happen. Meanwhile, the whole time that's going on, the US is like the friends are gonna pull this off. That's not good. We need to pull this off. Eighties still right. Yeah, who's WHO's in charge? I mean right now it is still kind of a hodgepodge. Like the U S has their independence, but they haven't rose to the prominence that are about to rise to Um. So, like they're still like climbing. There is a hodgepodge of European nations that have a lot of power. The U S has a lot of power. Um. That's kind of where all the power lies. Um. And so the US is like, we need that canal because if we control that, we control a lot of shipping across the planet and we'll get really rich. And so they defies the plan to build Nicaragua Canal. And so there's a stretch of land and their thought was through Nicaragua it's a much larger stretch of land, but it's not as mountainous, so there's a much more flat land through it. There are mountains that they have to do through, but much less mountains. There was also a giant lake in the middle of this stretch. So if they could just make it to the lake and then get on the other side of day can make it across to the ocean, then it would be theoretically smooth ceiling. Um. Okay. So they said we need to build the Nicaragua Canal. So they have been doing all their surveying, doing all the research, doing all our studies, sing out their plan right. They're making it pretty far in the process and then Nicaragua. was like, Philip, you a US Nicaragus, like we're right here, like we would say no to this. So long ago, you would have just asked what. We would have told you know, hey, I was just planning on digging a river in your backyard. Already, got all the things priced out, got a contractor they're actually here to get started. Um. And you're like you're excited about that or not? No, uh. And so Philippe, he says, so Philippe. Philippe says the US is our last chance of pulling off the Panama Canal. And he says we gotta get them off this Nicaragua idea. And so he goes. He calls it the president and he says, Hey, I see you thinking about the president of the time. I don't know, I don't know. I don't remember anybody before Georgia. I'm pretty sure it was Roosevelt all that. Uh. I'm like, Oh, mckinney, okay, McKinley, McKinley, I was gonna say it's not. He's from Ohio. Um, so so he so, Philip. Yes, so phelipe calls up, the president is like Hey, you think about this Nicaragua Canal? Thing. Cool idea, great idea, but he's like, but have you guys noticed all the volcanoes? Who just thought about the it's really bad there, you know. Have you thought about the real estate there? Have you talking about who long term investment? Like, yeah, you're not gonna get a lot in your won't get a big return. About you are? Oh, I thought. Have you seen him? Nicaraguan rivers in Zillo Lake? Think about it. You've seen a lot in Panama. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of perks like add free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six six. That's till into six six eight six six. But thanks again for checking us out. So phelipe was like, Hey, McKinley, you're trying to build this canal through Nicaragua. What if he said, have you guys thought about the volcanoes? And they said no, and he said, yeah, there's a lot of volcanoes over there. I didn't need to blow up a bunch like you need to watch out for them. Sure, and so like this is like whenever one of our female friends will start dating some dude heart volcanoes, though, like somebody yould go to his living room. He's just got a bunch of paper mache volcanoes, like hundreds of people like you as volcanoes, though. That's a red flag, you know. You go to you go to somebody's house and they's got paper mache volcanoes over lots of but have you considered the volcano? He's got a room full of volcanoes. And so this guy, you would like, this guy. Um, he starts because he wasn't sure if, like, they were convinced yet. So he starts sending a bunch of letters to just different officials in the government that were like involved in the volcanoes, photoshops pictures of their volcanoes and their families and just trying to make it a letter from the volcano. Don't build them. Don't come into Karagua. You know what to do. That's what it says. It's really threatening letters from volcano. It is volcano in Nicaragua has been threatening me, like me and my family. Yeah, I can't fly. The volcano knows my kid's names. I'm a volcano. My Dad was a volcano, his dad was a volcano. All hailed a volcano. Okay, so you know he's much more subtle. So he would send these letters like of like honest communication type letters. Right, sure, but he I don't know where he found these, but he found Nicaragua had a set of stamps that had volcanoes on them, and so he would send these letters to like with these its just like hey, happy birthday, oh my God, volcanoes in Nicarag wouldn't you see the stamp? Have you seen the stamps? Nicarag was stamps volcanoes on them. So eventually, man, Hey, McKinley, what even thinking about lately? This is just thinking about volcanoes. He's dreaming about him. He's wake up a mill of night and so he started having the conversations. He's guys. You know, they're famous for him. It's almost already built. The volcanoes they're almost already erupt um the earth. Already built the volcane. You haven't even started building your river. We've got a river almost done. Half, yeah, we just see the other half ship. Or we also we have half a river and half a sling shot. Whichever was so many ideas. whichever. What do you want? You can have and build that. And so eventually he convinced the US, and the US was like, okay, how do we pull this off? And he said, don't worry, let me go talk to the Pandemonians. I hate how smooth you said it. That's what got me. I need to go talk to the Pandemonians. Okay, ahead. So he calls him up and shows up there and he starts setting them stamps book he does on them, and they're like, I don't understand the context of this job. Okay, he said, I'm just trying to get rid of stamps now, I go too many of them. At the time, Panama was in his own country. There was the WHO who ruled it. There was the Panamanian people, Um, and they what are they called? I'm really I'm pretty sure Panamanian. Okay, Panamese. Panamanian. I'm like Panamanian Um. Pandemonium. Dude, this is just one of his educated guesses. This is like really, it's just a Greek God statue. He's pretty confident. It's Panamanian Um. They were a people that were there and then Colombia was like hey, you're us now, and they're like no, we're not, and they're like yes, you are, and so then they're so this at the time was like my mom asks, you're one of us. How much do I have to pay you for you to be my girlfriend for this wedding? You know, I mean we have another island. I mean, yeah, we have a whole other people group. They're on another island. You would theresa. It's going really well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're happy. Uh, Huh, great, this is awful. So the someone says they're happy, late, really happy. Okay, happy, okay. It was like like what do you guys been up to lately? Just being happy, just love. It's very happy. Yeah, we're never going to see her again, are we? It's a Panama's bitter about the whole work Columbian now things, uh, and columbmonium. I'm I'm pretty positive. And so felippe shows up to the Panamanians. What if we could get you to where you were Panamanian and not Columbimonian, and they were like that would be great, like that would bring Pantamonia. This just did. Bantamon is seceded from club parmonium. This okay. So they said that would be awesome, but we don't know how we're gonna do that because Colombia has a military we do not. And he said, Hey, guess what, you know the United States. And they were like, like that really big country. They're like yeah, they want to help you, and they're like no way, and he was like way. He said Hang Out, wait for my signal, and they were like deal, and so then he went to the US and he said okay. The panamins said their mom said that. If your mom says yes, then you can say the night were there, they said he said, Hey, look the Pantom Pana Panamanians. They said, you can build the canal, the catches. They want to be their own country and so they're gonna revolt from Colombia. They need you to stop them from getting reinforcements to Panama. And they're like, we can hang, we can handle them in our country. We just can't handle their reinforcements, and so the US was like, yeah, that'll be easy, and so they take their gun ships and just park it outside of Panama. And then Philippe caused the Panamanians. He sends them one stamp with a volcano and then they revolt. They do the thing to get back to Colombia. Columbia is like, Oh, we need to go to reinforcements. They take their boats, they see the American gun ships and they said, hey, we don't care that much, it's fine. Yeah, no, yeah, I was. I was driving over here anyway. We were just looking at in the neighborhood. That's wild. Yeah, yeah, no, I was just I was door dashing. Yeah, sorry, sorry, we're I'm heading home. Yeah, I gotta get out here here. Yeah, that's UH. So. Yeah, Panama became a country. The United States with the first country to recognize them as a country. Um, and then the United States was like cool, build the canal now, and they're like cool, yeah, I do that, and then they built the canal. UH, they finished it in nineteen fourteen, Um, and it was very disappointing for the canal people because the canal people. Yeah, well, right before the war, right before World War One, all these people just started coming out of the canal. They called the Canal People's. No one knows where they came from. The yeah, well, wear one was canal people's Um. Now the canal people uh, like, who built it? They planned this big ceremony where they're gonna in fine. Also, at this point it's who has built it? This is the American government's paying for it. Yeah. Yeah, so they the United States and they hired Felipe Felippe, and Phelippe actually called his old friend lecepsceps this time was like yeah, maybe we should do that thing where you was like, Oh, yeah, I'm actually in prison for killing two people. So I don't think my ideas are the best. Yeah, and the the US was like we got gunships, we can get you out of in Um, and I don't know how that happened, but anyways. Yeah, so he came in. Well, he didn't actually come, he just kind of from France told everyone what to do. Um, but anyways, they he said Look, sea level rivers dumb, uh, mountain level rivers cool, and so he built these locks, which, do you know how the Panmic now works? It's you're saying that like you do know, I'm serious. It's pretty smart. So what they do is they bring the boats in and there is the calm locks and it's almost like an air lock, and so it locks in and then what happens is there is another lock that is a higher level water and it drains in and then matches the level of the water and then the gate opens and it goes through and closes and it just repeats this over and over as it raises the sea level of the canal until they understand. Okay, let me explain it again. Do you have a visual I'm kind of serious. Do you have a visual? Um, let me grab one. Essentially, what they're doing is, have you ever had like two cups and you like poured from one cup and made them the same height? Yes, that's what they're doing over and over again until they get up to the highest height in the mountain and then they've got a canal all the way across that highest height. Then they get to the other side and they reverse the process. Okay, but how do they get the water up there? So here, let me get you get your graphic, because it didn't fill with the rain. Now there's a lake at the top. Is that real? I'm having trouble picturing this. Let me get you. Let me get your graphic. I need to get one that's a little bit more this show was hosted by two idiots. Okay, so boats come in, this thing shuts off the water. Yeah, so there's there's a gate on both sides something. Yeah, it was finished. They started in one. So there's two gates. The gate that they came in from closes behind them. The Gate in front of them is already closed, and then they get in there. And then what happens is, if you're well, start at the left. You're coming from the Atlantic Ocean. You go through the Gaton locks, and so that first one is the same level as sea level. You get in there, the gate closes behind you and it goes up really high, and then the next level, the water lower. Water level lowers to where the water levels even, but it's higher than what it was before, and so it lifts the boat up and once it's even, then they open up that gate and then the boat goes through, the gate closes and then they repeat this process over and over again. So you're raising an altitude just a little bit every time you're going through until you're at the altitude of this Gattoon Lake and then it goes all the way through and then reverses the process where now it's descending the water level. So that's empowered by how are you doing with gates? It's just pumps, so they're just pumping the water through. So there's like underground pumps that are pumping water through the next gate and there's a guy, there's a there's they got a troll that was probably steam powered. Steam was the thing at the time. That's very interesting. Okay, it's pretty crazy, and this is still functions today. There's a lot more like like electricity and computers and stuff now, but it's the same concept in the water. Yeah, they get shocked. This one was super electric. Okay, yeah, it's pretty smart Um. And so that was the idea to go up the mountain instead of dig to sea level, because you can see in this graphic, if they dug to sea level there's still a lot more dirt to dig out. That would take some time. It's really, really clever, and so the people who built it were super proud of it. This is honestly one of the most impressive engineering marvels in recent hits. That's what I'm saying, that it's pretty crazy, really, really, very, very impressive. I think why? There's a lot. I thought on this day hotel the other day if, like, if civilization fell apart. I mean I know how wheels work, you know, but I don't know how like axles. I couldn't like yeah, yeah, it's like there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff like, oh my gosh, yeah, that's how the bronzes claps happened. I was thinking about you know what I thought about it. I was looking at as in the hotel and I was like, how is this elevator working? I was like, because it's it's doing different weights. But like, anyway, that's impressive. People are smarter than us. People are smarter than us. Man, so stupid. But so they play in this big event, right, and they were. They invited every nation in the world to come look at the cool thing that they built and they had a really fancy boat that they were going to take the whole trip on and everyone was gonna be like a parade. Everyone's gonna be on the side with their flags and their cigarettes and their fireworks. Uh, just like celebrating the whole thing right the day that they planned. It was literally, gives you not like two weeks after World War One started. And so people were like, I don't want to go. If they're going, you tell me they're gonna be there. No, yeah, so they canceled it. And so, because this happened, it wasn't the first ship that traveled through. Wasn't this like pretty boat. It was like a United States warship. Um, Nice. So, which is pretty fitting given how they got the United States. Yea. Um. And so they built that. Uh. And then the Panama Canal since then has had a pretty rocky history. Uh. The US, after they built that, was like this is now the canal zone and that's a part of our country, and Panama was like that wasn't the deal. They're like this is Panama, and they like no, this is the canal zone, and they set up all these like I love canal zones. Whoever decided to just fold it over on itself, whoever decided to a four and a half canal? You know what I love is that? Okay, so, like let's say you got the Pepperino, the cheese right, the canal thing pops up and then like the cheese melts into the other canal area and all of a sudden you got a raised up. Honestly, the science behind its incredible. Pretty it's a modern engine canal zones. So they said this is the canal zone, and what they did is they built this city just kind of all along the canal zone. Um, that was in America. Yeah, it was. They did this in the ninet twenties and it was what you'd see in the US. They built these schoolhouses, everybody there spoke English, they put up American flags and like it was the US right. And then just along this river, and Panama was like, Hey, this is a raw deal. We got here because they built this giant canal. Yeah, they're operating it, they're getting all the money from it, and the people who are traveling through it sometimes they'll stop, but they never go into Panama City or any outside of the canal zones. They're spending all our money and stuff where in the U s area, not where we benefit from it. So we're not benefiting from this at all. We literally cut US IN HALF and we're getting we've got nothing to show for it. Um, and they actually became like this big division of people who live in the canal zones with people who are out and it became like this big Um, just a big cultural in the canal zone. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, Kansas City, Missouri and Johnson County. Yeah, the Canal Zone. Uh. And so it all kind of erupted in uh when the US sent common nineteen, yeah, eighty nine, common nine team, which is fitting because that was exactly a hundred years after France was born. Okay, so are wrong. I mean I guess. I think Taylor Swift is responsible for the paramount canal conflict. So the US sent ten thousand troops to just kind of occupy, uh, and it turned into this pretty long war. Um, that resulted in two thousand uh in January, first two thousand. The US was like fine, it's yours, Panama. Um. And so now they own the canal and they've done a bunch of stuff, like improvements and stuff to it. They've widened it, wid didn't it? Now you can fit fatter boats, you can turn your boat around, it won't get stuck. Um. That Suez. Uh. So Um. Yeah, it all began literally five years ago with a dream from a guy who had honestly no right dreaming about that. He was just like, oh my gosh, that'd be cool. It would be so cool. No need for it, just kind of like literally on the other side of the planet, like he never would go over there pull up a map. I want to. I kind of want to dream for a little bit. You know, two white guys of the PODCAST. Let's pull up and figure where we're going to conquer. Yeah, where can we? where? We can now plant my flag? You know what I'm talking about. Where can I? Yeah, can it now? The new TIKTOK series can now now? I don't know. I'm not interested down here. I'm interested in like the other part of the world. What if we I wonder if there's a spot in Missouri can we put a canal in Kansas City? Can we build a Kansas City Canal? Surely Is there a spot right here? That can't be too long. That's a lot. No, I ride that on my bike. That's not too long from Lake Wakamas to the river. Maybe right here and you gonna cut it all the way where to downtown. No, I'm saying like just right here in this a spot where we could buy a small plot of land and just dig a canal for the joke. Yeah, support of my patreon. So we can make canal to here. Mm Hmm, Yep, right here, wanted't it be so much faster if we could sail at thistle, because right now it's too sharp of a turn. We want to build it like what is it like? A yeah, Oh, yeah, that's the river. Yeah, that's just so stupid. What a dumb bit. Let's get out of this I'm looking at now. Yeah, there we go, keep going, keep going, keeps me. Okay, that's all right. Yeah, that's a good spot for a canal. That's interesting. So anyways. Yeah, that's uh, that's the Panama Panama Canal, crazy history. Um, my favorite part of the stamps. Yeah, I love the that's super passive aggressive. I enjoy that. Yeah, it's great. It worked. It worked. To think the Panama can now would never exist if it wasn't for some guy's stamp choice. Yeah, that's good, butterfly. Do you think if we put the Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty next to each other, because they're both from France, right? Yeah, yeah, I think I think you could loop something around the torch and build a sling shot. Sling shot. Yeah, Oh, what would you sling? Well, what I sling then this Jick eatic sling shot. This feels like a weird, like street interview question. What would you sling if the Eiffel Tower and statue liberty would next to each other? But it's like a riddle for some reason and it's like I don't know anyway fiddle off. Things on the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. 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536 AD – The Worst Year in History

09-06-22

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Man, why did you breathe? Welcome to welcome to tilling. What's what's up? Oh, not much. I was just wondering. Have you uh, have you ever heard of five thirty six a d? Five Thirties six a d? Yeah, like the restaurant, yes, really does, selling a restaurant where they just serve food and they're it's like a caveman themed yeah, because they don't understand when Caveman's existing. I was thinking five BC still still wouldn't be caveman. How many restaurants, how many restaurant tours do you know that are just like, you know, historically accurate people. I mean, have you been to a dinosaur themed restaurant? No, those things are not historically accurate. It's pretty accurate to me. Did get to you, I guess the form to the right, like I could do your job if it was fast and air conditioning. Okay, that's my mentality for anything. Do you think we would still do our podcast the world isn't Ingham and son didn't come out anymore? Is that your nose at the plague? Throw up with the river. You're not gonna see the sub ten years, Bro Years. Things I learned last night anybody works at rainforest cafe knows what a rainforest looks like. They could have a point one on a map because they've seen the rainforest cafe. Five thirty six a d what happened in that specific year? Oh, Um, a bunch of scientists think it was the worst year to be alive. Oh, I don't know. You know, we've, we've, we've been alive the last couple on. Let's the last couple of ones. Let's well, I mean, if you want to, let's take a deep dive. Let's take a look here, could we? I wonder if we could put a chart up on the screen here. Yeah, what do they call it back then? What they call it in like year twelve? They're like it's twelve. I actually don't know that. It's happy year. You know, it's it's you. Yeah, how are they doing it? Yeah, it's just a two and a zero. Yeah, yeah, that'd be rough. No, so the year five, D uh, it was. There's a few things going on. Okay, we'll start. We'll start from the top. It was an interesting era for Rome because about a hundred years before that, uh, the capital of Rome, Rome was sacked. The Rome capital was Rome, Rome, Rome Rome, Rom. Welcome to Rome Room. It's like New York, New York. That's where New York got the idea from. From Rome Rome did it? Like we're New York, New York, like Rome, Rome, Rome, Rome. Actually, I'm not certain that the capital was Rome, but I'm we're going with it. Rome Rome. Neither is the restaurant tour who owns five. Welcome to roam Rome. That's what they call the little robot surfer they've got that goes around. That's Rome Rome. Yeah, you don't notice he's got Rome built on his back. It's a Roomba, ro Ro, rolling around the room. And this is my son, Roman Rome. Okay, I died of this, so don't good. Um, somebody stacked Rome. Uh. And then, uh, Constantine happened. You know, Jesus into Noble, all that story. If you don't know it, it's in the Bible. She's not in the Bible. Don't try to look it up. Um. And they slowly bounced back and it became the Byzantine Empire. They were like it's not room anymore. Name is something very different, um, but it's still wrong. And then so the realm's like, we're still alive. We're crawling back for life, but it's really fractured. There's shirts to say Rome will rise again. You know, they can't take us out, they can't. They can't take us down. They can sack room Rome, but they'll never sat constantinoa. Somebody pronounces roam. Yeah, this is that Um, but it was fractured. So the businestine empire was a bunch of like little almost city states that were like, we're Rome and everyone's like, but that guy's not room Um. You know, this is starting to feel really familiar. I was track. And so they're in a rough political climate. Um, and then the year five thirty six happens and some interesting things happened. Uh, and it's been a long road to get here, for us to understand what's going on. Um. Yeah, I mean years there was a lot of uh, there was a lot of writings and archaeological finds, but up until the nineties nobody paid much attention to how they connected the story. Like nineties, yes, sorry, the five nineties. No one. No one paid attention to how they connected the story. Yeah, because so there's a bunch of fractured archaeological evidence that pointed to the story of five and why it was the way it was up until the nineteen nineties. It was so disjointed that no one connected those dots of all this evidence year. Yeah, this is all one year. And so in the nineties, uh, things started to come together because there was a group doing core samples of the ice in the Arctic and they pulled out this core sample and it looked like this and they're like that's weird. Um. Why? Why is it so pixelated? It is very pixelated. Weird. Um. No, if you're listening, basically they took this giant core sample of ice that goes down like a hundred feet and it's just a bunch of normal ice and then all of a sudden, Um, it's just this really dark dirty ice and then like some dim, dim, dark dirty ice, very dark dirty ice, and then some dim dirty ice and then like a little ring, yeah, of of just black, yeah, of ice. It was bad ice. It was the Ice Goth era, Um, and uh, the scientists were like, well, that's peculiar that that would happen. So then they started digging more of these cores all around the Arctic and they kept seeing the same results. So it wasn't like a localized the ice just got really dirty there for a little bit. Um, there was something pretty widespread. So it wasn't happened in the art and artic. Yeah, but they didn't have an explanation for this, and so all these theories started to abound, like comets and volcanoes and tidal waves and Um, vacuum cleaner that. Yeah, you know, the normal scientific theories when they find something weird. Um. Meanwhile, at the same time there was this dude at Harvard who really likes trees. Why? That was so funny to be and I gotta hold on. Am I am I right? Oh, I did realize in the Oregon episode that I said the F D A was the federal department agriculture. It's not. It's the Food and Drug Administration. Yeah, I'll let you have it. Yeah, I was dumb. I realized that later, like almost immediately after he recorded. I was like, Oh, stupid. Anyway, Um, uh, he's really into trees. Is that? Oh Gosh, is that harbor? Are Wrists? Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. Okay, Arbor is Arbor, and Arbor at Harvard trying to say Harvard Arbor, Harvard Arbor. The Harvard Arbor was telling his barb the Harvard ar the Harvard Arbor was telling his barber. Yeah, there you go, we just meane. Okay. So, uh, he was looking at a bunch of tree rings. Um. I literally was about to make a tree ring joke when I saw that ring of the dirt and I was like yeah, well, he was looking at tree rings and he found Um, there was this period uh, dating back to the same time as those ice rings, where the trees, uh, we're really upset. That's how he said it, that's the words he used. The trees were really upset, Um, and so he studied all of this conversation so far sounds like something I would see on twitter in someone was just like the trees are sad. If everyone could just like get it together, the trees are like depressed, so sad. There were no happy little trees. Only. Why did you desert your dog? First of all, I didn't desert my dog. Okay, I tied it around that tree because that tree needed it as a support, because the tree was sad. Support the trees. Yeah, same thing where I did with my firstborn kid, labradoodles for trees. Wait, what? The tree was sad and I was like you know, what you need is a child's son. Yeah, I've read the book. Are you the giving tree? Are you the giving tree? Here's a child, here's this child, here's this okay. So he noticed that the trees were sad and so he started taking a hole batch of trees and looking to see if all the trees were sad. And what he realized was it wasn't just in Europe, it wasn't just in Greenland, it was worldwide. Wherever he found a tree, um, whenever he stumbled across, just planted limb. He just walked around with his axe. I'm sure that contribute to their sadness at all. He said, this tree I cut down was sad like years ago and also now. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, would really help us out if you leave a review or a comment on Youtube, if that's what you're watching on, and if you want to check out another episode, I recommend Julianne Kopki. That was an episode all about a woman who survived a ten thousand footfall from a plane without a parachute, landed in the Amazon. Absolutely bonkers story, uh, and it was pretty fun. We had a lot of fun jared and I in that episode. Uh. So you should check it out. It's one of my favorites right now. But thanks so much for being here. Well, what he was doing was he was looking at Um, because here was one thing I thought, Um was, where is he finding all these trees that lived years ago, like still, that are still alive, because trees, you don't know how old trees are. Yeah, trees aren't years old. Some are, some are. Yeah. So I looked at that. So, UH, most trees don't live past a hundred but there are. Most species of trees can have the potential to live a thousand plus years. YEA, most of them. Most of them don't. Most of them don't, but they can't. But there's some people, some freaking freaks out there. I mean I'm really old, I'm very old, um, but some this. So he was cutting down pretty big trees. Then to figure that out, he had to be cutting redwoods and stuff. Yeah, this is Bristle colmb pines. They can exceed three thousand years. Yeah, that I was saying. Like I went to the like, we went out to uh, General Sherman, like the largest living tree on earth in California, and you think it's like when you're driving up there, you're like this thing is not gonna be worth it because you're wined and round around. It's pretty stinken worth it really, oh dude, to stand in front of this ridiculous creature that is I mean the base of it is wider than our whole back wall. Really, Oh gosh dude, it's bonkers. This is saying that. Well, I don't know how old that thing is. How old was that thing? Like over two thousand years old? Thing to look at it and go this thing, it was like this tall when Jesus was here. How does it feel to be so little? What Jesus was rare? Um, this thing is saying that, you know. Oh, yeah, like, what's this one called? Uh, that's in California too. Yeah, this one is the oldest confirmed age. Yeah, and it says it's years old. Yeah, it's old, Dude. That's like older than Egypt. Yeah, and it looks like it. It looks older. This looks like an art installation. Yea, if that tree could talk, it would go so healing. I don't want to please, please, just chop me down. I was five. I'm a SAGURY. Please take me out. Chop me down. This harvard armor is going around cutting up trees and realizing they're all really sad california anymore. They sticking limps, limps thee. What if the tree keeps up with politics? Years Old freaking boomer the trees? I don't know. So I think a year old person would sound like. Would sound great. Probably Fair. Fair. What do you think that year old? Hundred, forty eight year old hundred trees. That's different. Do you think you could kill that? One Tree or trees? Okay, this anyway. He's chopping down trees. He's finding out a different thing too. He's bringing his own hatchet everywhere. He's just chopping down trees. Yeah, like, what do you do? But he he got a lot of data together, got thousands of little trees and say they're all sad and all the trees. was like, we gotta Trust You, I guess. And so, uh, this group of Harvard Arborists and Uh Ivy League ice diggers. I was trying to find a way to do that. When it was tougher, Ivy, the Ivy sers Um, they got together, they joined leagues and they figured out, Hey, I think this is connected, because it's you know the same time. You got dirty ice. Yeah, you got dirty ice, we got dirty trees, trees, trees, dirty ice. What else can be? Fine, so they started. They called the archaeologists and they're like, Hey, what happened in five thirty six? You got any evidence? They guess you would have to look in the caves. Why? Because that's the next oldest thing I could think is, like that would be there would be evidence in caves, right, because caves are obviously been around forever. Yeah, but five six, it's not like people were living in caves then. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying for evidence of people, I'm saying like for other confirmation of nature of damage. Yeah, yeah, Um, so they yeah, they said. They said, how are we going to figure out what happened here? Um, and then so they called the archaeologists. They said you see anything, uh, in find six a D and they're like yeah, not only was the ice dirty and the trees sad, but the people were dead. Um what they were like, yeah, that so here's what happened. So they found some letters. There was a historian who was even D and uh, a few years after the fact he was writing about that. His experience at D and here's a direct quote. He said the sun gave, gave forth its light without brightness. It was like the moon during the whole year. Um. And then there was another quote that said that the sun was like a light blue shade in the sky. Um. And then there was another one, another letter somewhere where, that said that it was it was noonday and we we couldn't see our shadows and we marveled at the fact that we couldn't see our shadows. And it was like this for over a year. It was just dark. Yeah, it was. It was remember that eclipse that we had. It did that, but it stopped. It just froze. It was like a disc. That was so are they are they suggesting that the something blocked out the sun for a year, essentially, and so this, this really stumped scientists because they were like what, what happened? Yeah, what's going on? And so a lot of theories started to come up, everything from volcanoes to comic strikes to tidal waves. I think I mentioned all these earlier. To See people, to see people's Um. What they ended up landing on was there was a volcanic eruption in Iceland and it was so severe that it spewed so much action to the sky that it literally blacked out the sun for eighteen months, um. And worldwide, worldwide, there was a fog around the whole planet because this, this was so severe and it's evidenced by Um. Worldwide, the rings on the trees and the ice sheets on both Poles were covered in like this layer, layer of what. Okay, it's just dirty Um. And then then everybody in these like the archaeologists, they had these writings, but they never thought much of it because they didn't connect the dots. Like they it was, oh hey, this person studying round found this letter about it was really dark months, someone running in China who was like yeah, this guy talked about it being really dark months. And then they connected them all together and like Oh, this was all the same time, um. And so what they think happened was obviously like that eruption happened and it created this fog that made it dim. But as a result the temperature in the summers dipped by thirty six degrees. Fair Knight. So Uh wow. Needless to say, crops struggled, everything struggled because they didn't have so the trees weren't the only thing that was sad. Yeah, the corn was sad. Gets Sad, little corns. Um. Yeah, that's when baby corn was invented. It was invented. Yeah, they were like, Hey, we could just make it small. So I just want to confirmed that. You think that people were like we should just make small corn. Yeah, well, they were growing cords, normal corns, corns that year they couldn't grow all the way because it was too cold. So they just grew little baby corns and they're like, you could still eat them, and they're like, Hey, that's not half bad. Let's make those again next year when it's a warm again. Only it wasn't warm again for another like fifteen years, but years. Yeah, so there was so here was it was exasperated because it wasn't because of all their cars. There's so much of missions. Uh. Yes, this, this guy, has exasperated because there was that eruption right overnight. Overnight it stopped. It never ended, the nights didn't there's no more day. Uh. And then the fog was worldwide. Dipped the temperatures and then it took a long time for things to spipe back. Even as the fog began to clear, well, what they discovered is that years later, umve forty four years later, there was another volcanic eruption in Europe. Kids break, and then a bunch of fog close to as severe as the other one, and then seven there was another volcanic eruption in Europe, I believed, and because of that it just kind of left the climate in this what do you think I would do to us today? It would be pretty cold. Well, I mean like yeah, but I mean like, do you think we've got the equipment technology to like purify air or like, because people not clear away. But I'm saying that people had couldn't live in that. People just live with it being yeah, they did. They just let they just lived in volcanic ash and they's breathed it in. Yeah, I know what I'm saying, but I was surely that killed them. I mean, yeah, surely a lot of them? Yeah, for sure. Um, some people who are just tough like just make it through. But yeah, I mean it, we did out the week ones, for sure. What are you talking about? Like, I don't know. Do we have any writing about the people living there? I mean a lot of people have survived it. I guess maybe they wear masks. I don't know, like I don't know. I haven't thought about that. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future. Go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify youtube. You'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight, six six. Thank you so much for being here. I mean, we've probably all wear masks. Do you think we would still do our podcast if the world was ending in the sun didn't come out anymore? I mean we would have to China light in the darkness. What is this? Is My flashlight. I thought you were going to give me nuxt and so I know what happened to me the other day and I was really mad about where was I? Oh, I did a show. Afterward, went to go shape the guy's hand as he's coming up to the stage and he just didn't do it. So, in front of everybody, I got snubbed. Did He? Did he see it? I think so. I think he saw it and went. I just kept going, you know, and I was like all right, man slashes tires from the parking on that. Before I left. I was like, I'm not gonna let you treat me like that in front, in front of everybody, in front of over, in front of everybody. Come, I filled his car with volcano ash. You're not gonna see the sun from ten years. Broy is this volcanic ash? Where did you get this? Oh, there's an Amazon seller who sells it at the five gallon bucket. Yeah, I mean I think it'd be pretty severe today still. Yeah, I would think so. So there was obviously the crop failure problem. So people were hungry, people were starving and I'm sure you're probably right, there's probably a lot of people who were dying of like respiratory stuff, respiratory stuff. Yeah, there was also a war that was going on in the middle of this. That continued. Um, so that was pretty bad. Um, so this this whole season, was a war happening. Yeah, there was a war. was just one of the sides of the war being like we're gonna make this really inconvenient. The other side it was like the United States Army. Yeah, like we figured out how to make volcanoes erupped. Yeah, we didn't figure out how to make it just affect you, though. So it's gonna be all of us, sorry to the fog of warry trees. That's why they were sad. They felt betrayed. They're like this was our own, our own army. Um, and so the volcano has made it a pretty bad situation. Um. There was obviously yes, Um, and then yeah, so then it was the first bubonic plague. happened. Um, it was a plague, volcano, war going on, a war going on, and I don't know if you remember learning about the bubonic plague. It was serious. I'm so serious. They named it after the emperor Um Justinian. Um, so that's a good thing to be remembered for. Um, they're called the justinian plague, uh, and the estimate is that a third to half of the population died in this plague. Um, and it was pretty peculiar because the way it always earth. Yeah, and it's peculiar because the way it started is you would get like this lesion on your palm in your hand, and then within a few days you'd be covered in them and then you die. Um, and so it's like very severe, highly contagious, and they didn't understand germs yet, and so everyone was just carrying around all these plagued bodies after they died and like throwing them into like the rivers and stuff. It was like get rid of them, and then they go drink that water and then go hang out shake hands with people after their sets. I bet that's why he didn't do it. Which one of us do you think has the plague? Do you think he thought I had it, or do you think he knows he's got it? He saw your palm and he's like that Palm Looks Pretty Babonic. That guy's got a bubonic palm. Got A plaguey palm. If you're plague palm away for me. Um, and it spread super fast. And so it was. It was as if the situation wasn't bad enough already. Well, I mean like you couldn't tell if someone had sores on the dark outside. That's why we got that's why it spread so fast. Is that a bump on your palm? Oh shoot, is that your nose at the plague? Throw him in the river. Okay, uh. And so then, I mean, when you have a situation where a third to half the population dies in a short period of time, um, that's not good for the economy. Won't somebody think of the economy? It's hard to do business in the dark. It's already hard enough. Yeah, I can't hold it, can't sign a contract from my hand hurts from all these sores. I can't get the trees to do anything the time. You know how hard it is to be around with his passive, aggressive trees, like there's creating oxygen and they're just like you're like, oh my gosh, dude, it's like having a teenager in the backseat who's like the trees are just begging you to ask what's wrong. They just want you to listen. Yeah, they just want you to listen, and they're like that's the lesson for today. If you're a walk maybe just go why don't you go listen to a tree today? What are you doing, man? Yeah, just listening to how are you feeling? You know, it's really m are you being a tree right now? Both people. I tried. I'm I'm a passer. You chopped down the tree to put it out of its misery? Yeah, do you? What do you do? You Chop it down, or do you water it? I don't know, like, how do you help a treat I don't know. We're not arborists inside this bit. So much so the trees are said. There's a war going on, the sky is dark and the people are dying from the plague and the economy and shample and the economy, because you got you got bad crops, you gotta go, you got a war, you got the plague, a death rate. Yeah, what's your UN employment? Of just of just the people who definite play, but you've got people who, I'm sure you're right, I'm sure there's people who were having respiratory problems. I'm sure there was people who are dying in the war. Um, and so it was. And then I'm sure there's people are dying in starvation. And so then you have all these people dying, which meant there was less people to crop stuffs. People. Look, there's people to farm, less people to build, less people to do everything. There's people to food, we're talking about, and so so so the economy completely installed. Um and a lot of historians say that this was the shift from, UH, the era of antiquity to the medieval era and maybe the dark ages, because all of a sudden pretty much every major dark ages. Ah, this sounds so. They the historians, say this was the end of the world for a little bit, at the end of the known world there. Yeah, at that time, because every major society had historians who talked about how the cops failed, the economy has failed, the government's failed and uh, then it almost went into this kind of tribalistic mentality, just like you would expect. Um. Honestly, I feel like this is probably a very similar to the situation to what we talked about a few weeks ago in the Bronze Age collapse, where there was this kind of series of factors that in a relatively short amount of time, kind of destroyed everything. Yeah, because what happens is you build a system and you're like this system works, but you don't design the system to work when, like, it relies too heavily on itself and then with minor disruptions, all of a sudden the whole thing falls apart. You know, like the same thing with the supply chain issue. We've had the past couple of years which all of a sudden these supply chain issues are crippling certain sectors of our economy. Yeah, exactly. And you had, um, they started finding, especially in Europe, there would be in these like River deltas, on the little island portion in the river in the Delta, there would be these forts that people built and they would build these wood spikes sticking out of the sides of the forts and they'd have like a camp that they put in that fort because all these people, um, we're so used to relying on farming, when farming didn't exist, they couldn't figure out how to get through the winter, and so what they found was there was a lot of bodies that they suspect were buried during winter seasons because people were starving in the winters. Um, because they were able to grow a little bit during the spring, in the summer, but once they went to the winter, they were relied almost completely on hunting and they didn't know what they were doing and they couldn't keep up with it, and so they would build these little fortresses, Um, and it seems like the reason why that happened is because people were out there see people in Um, and and and and. Uh, it seems like that gave birth to that medieval era. Um, was that society worldwide? Um also. I mean, yeah, people build strongholds and then they, you know, because you gotta, you find a place to crop. Then you build walls around that croppage. We were really stretching the word crop today. Yeah, well, you know, and then, uh, you know, and then you build a little bridge over your you know, you build your little crop top, right, and so it goes over that and then, uh, speaking of crops, remember. Yeah, what, what could possibly bring up for you? Yesterday, where at the office and the Youtube that we use for tilling. Oh Yeah, did you play that farming game? I haven't yet. Okay, UH, yeah, for it recommended some farming game and so Jaran pulls it up to kind of make fun of it, and I was like look how stupid this is. Tim was like, well, let's watch it, though. It's just a it's just a farming simulator. It looks pretty fun. You're literally driving combine back and forth. Yeah, it looks pretty good. Uh, don't you have a yard when that's so not fun, like doing in real life. Yeah, it's hot and slow okay, farming citulator. It's pretty fast and it's in the air conditioning. So like, I could do your job if it was fast and air conditioned. Okay, that's my mentality for anything. So people were just dying because they couldn't figure out how to store crops from the spring and summer in Laska. Winter. Yeah, more than that, it was just they couldn't even grow enough because it was thirty five degrees colder in the summer. I mean your average summer is like eighty something throughout the majority of the world and now it's fifties like that's that's a supery. That's a severe dip. And so the crops and the trees and plants and the animals all sad and it made everybody else starve Um. So you can't hunt when the animals are sad. It just feels that feels, you know. You just see a deer out there, just just mop it through the ones and you're like empathizing with the deer, like I can't. I can't kill a sad deer. Can't. Does even taste as good. Yeah, everybody knows sad deer tastes bade. That's why you've got to kill the ones with families. You know, the happier than happier deer, the meat. That's I mean, that's why, you know, that's why you always ask like did this cow have a good life? That's why at bass pro shops they sell dear lottery tickets, so you can go give the deer a lottery ticket, an extra large check. You can hand the deal. My favorite dear decoy is the one where the deers on one knee proposing right and so like this female deer is having it's like what killed it? Yeah, that's gonna be a good yeah, they call it the dear dear. You know it's good. You can buy the bass pro. That's a dark joke. I hate that a lot. So Um, yeah, so, anyways, uh, most historians say probably the worst time in history to be alive, and then definitely opened up one of the worst, one of the most prolonged seasons of just because too many factors made it almost impossible to like you can't form a society in there. And it was still in a spot too, where, for the most part, Rome was the only real superpower of the day and they had just gone through upheaval and been put into a pretty rough situation, and so this really sped up the actual complete collapse of Rome. But because of this, there wasn't really Um, any nation on earth that was very strong and stable Um, and so because of that, without the any stability, they couldn't weather. And we got all that from a ring in the ice. Yeah, these guys found just some dirt in the ice and then they were like, what happened? We know how terrible the world was back then. He's some dirt in the ice. You're like, Whoa, what happened that year? Yeah, so basically, here's where we're at. We have to decide what look like five what's worse? What's where? If we get a volcano in the next couple of years, might beat it. Yeah, we're on a we're on a hot street right now. We're coming in. If you're listening in the middle of Your River bunker right somehow you're still getting podcasts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you know, uh, sorry that we predicted that. I'm sorry we spoke that in the world. Apologize to the trees for me. Yeah, tell the trees we're sorry. Yeah, why don't you lean into a tree? Would you lean right up there? And they just whispered to it off. Please just love me remember things on them last night. is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. 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Orgone – The Rocks Inspired by Freudian Theories… It’s Insane

08-30-22

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of? I thought you were about to do the Oh oh, yeah, oh, not much. Have ever heard of what? Oh, have you ever heard of Oregon? Oregon or gone? Are you just saying Oregon? Stupid? No, Oregon, O, R G O N E. Orgone organ or gone. Well, here, either here or gone. You know. Also a great joke. All write down, Alex. is that writing? That one? To this day, if you go to the FDA and you say or gone, they shoot you with the spot. We just built microwaves for people. Step into my human wave. You know, one of my biggest fears is one of these cults. Is Right. It's like one of my biggest fears. Things I learned last night. Organ. Man, uh, stop right now. Stop, it's not okay, don't worry. I mean it could be. Or is it like a fantasy thing, like like the sound organ sounds like he trains dragons. You know I'm talking about like that's that's gone, or dragon train. Am I just thinking of? What was the Big Dragon series? Aragon? Aragon, yeah, I think they're making that new a movie. Great, I'll watch it. I guess I'll subscribe to whatever services doing it and I'll watch it because I just so I couldn't remember the title of the book. But you know, what I can't wait for is the movie. You know, I couldn't remember a thing about it. All I know is was a blue dragon on the front. But I was like yeah, I can't wait to watch that film. I can't wait to sit down with a big old bucket of Popcorn Watch that movie. Okay, you know, there's a lot of trails we need to follow here. Let's start from the beginning. Have you ever heard of Wilhelm Reich? Wilhelm Reich, yeah, German, yeah, yeah, okay, Um, I feel like a slight disclaimer is necessary here. Um, Wilhelm Reich was a contemporary of Freud, okay, and so he has some very Freudian theories. So if you're one of those people who listen with your family and you haven't had some conversations, maybe skipped the first few minutes of this Fred. Yeah, yeah, that's the moment in every child's life where their dad sits them down and it's time to learn about saying. What do you talk about? The Freud and the bees and Um, we talked about okay, so, Wilhelm, he's got some Freudian logic. Yeah, and and this this Oregon comes from around like like the oedipus complex kind of stuff. No, but similar and weirdness. Um. So, basically, wilhelm, Wilhelm and Freud never met each other. Um, I picked up his work of looking at eels, but they were psychoanalyzing at the same time. And UH, Freud was a fan of rech Reich was influenced by Freud. So right, came like at the very end of Freud's life, Um, and career, and then started his career early enough to wear Freud. Reich was a fan of Freud. Reich was a fan of Freud, and he was. He was influenced greatly by him. And then Freud. Their careers overlapped just a little bit. So Freud got his books and became a fan of him as well, but they never met a mutual fan, mutual combat. So and actually, if you go to the signal Fred Museum, which is his house, Um, his personal there I be that level of famous where they have to turn my apartment unit into a museum. You know, this is where jared Myers lived, and everyone's like this is it, this is that's at the time one of my friends got in my car, it was like this your car. When I said Yeah, because I love how humble you are. No, that's not a good thing to say, but I'm gonna Start saying that when I go. I love how humble you guys are. It's really good. That's just like. That's like the worst rich person dig pleased walk to someone's home, their home, they have a mortgage payment. I love how humble you guys are. This is great. This is like the perfect size. It's not too big. You know, not too big. It's not too big. You need to start doing that, like start meeting really rich people, and I should have done that to that really rich house I did a couple of weeks ago. I went and did a backyard show, like the kind of family that has a painting of their family. Yeah, you know any he who has that? If you've got a painting of your painting of Yourself, family portraits painted? No, Dude, you should pay more in taxes. So I'm like, you know what I'm talking about. So, like that house, I should have walked in and been like, Oh, so humble. Um, so my apartment is bigger. So Freud was a fan, but they never met. Reik was greatly influenced by him and it shows in the sigma before a museum. What, Oh, Sigmund Freud has all the books that he had released before Sigmund Friday. Look at the back, the last page torn off like academic books. They don't even end in the end. It doesn't even make sense that he left it with all the bodies. It's like it's like a conclusion the psychoanalysis of our tests this and then we're just like what is so uh? Well, Um Right. Had this theory that, Um, there's an energy in the world, Um, that is kind of circuling our atmosphere and it builds up in each of us and that causes all of our uh, stress and anxiety. Any mental issue is caused by this energy getting built up within us. The only way to release that energy is through and so you let that out and then it goes back in the atmosphere and just keeps it circling. Um. And so what year were they doing this? The Nineteen Thirties, Um, and so uh. Because of that belief he started trying to Um, he called it or Goon Orgon, he called it organ Um, and he started trying to find ways to conduct that organ energy. And he said, is there a way we can capture this energy from the atmosphere to where, Um, just in your regular day you could pick up an or going accumulator. You're like, I'm a little stress, I'M gonna pick up a conductor and let that conduct that energy and let that stress out of me. But it's not like. You know what I'm saying. Do you know what he's saying now? He's trying to take that sexual component out of it to where you could grab these little little accumulators and it lets your stress out. So there's an energy, yeah, in everything, every in the world. Yeah, and it's also in us. Yeah, but the only way to get it out of us, because it has to get out of us for some reason, because if you have too much of it it makes you stressed and or depressed in any condition. You need you need a release of some kind. And he's saying he's trying to make conductors so that way you can just grab onto that conductor and it would release it, instead of what he thinks is the normal way, instead of dancing. So he built this, uh, he built these, a couple devices the Oregon. What was his theory that would would release that energy. Well, he did a lot of research and he came up with these devices. So what he came up with was he said he believed that metal could conduct it, but it would it would only travel through organic material. So metal would attract it, um, but I couldn't harness it. Organic material could harness it. Attached it to an orange. Just put a nail in some oranges during a lightning storm. Oregon come here, you know. So he built, uh, a couple of things, uh one uh, and I don't know why, Um, but I guess. There he had this theory that clouds trapped it above the clouds. And so if you had I mean, why do you think any of this we're trying to justify where like yeah, for some reason he thought it was above the clouds, like okay, and you're like that was the weird part that he thought. Yeah, everything else, everything else completely normal, but this is like the one weird thing where it's like trapped above the clouds or whatever. And so he made these, uh he called them cloud busters, which picture picture the like anti aircraft cannons, but it was it was a box and that box was a bunch of metal and organic material and then like copper pipes, like big copper pipes that he would just point up at the sky and he claimed you point that up at the sky and it breaks up the clouds, and so that way the energy can come through. Does he does the does the does he shoot the little things inside into the sky, or he just sits there and points it and it sends the energy up and breaks up the clouds? Cloud busters, we should first of all figure out time travel right, and then if we can do that, then we can go back and pretend to be scientists. So let's be scientists, figure out of time travel right, and then go back in time and take because you can just say stuff. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah, I made this thing. It's literally just a box with some crumbled up paper inside. It's like it's like like a like a cardboard box crumbled up paper and then a toilet paper roll star, like yeah, see, so the crumble up paper, the way it works is that it creates a lot of energy in there and then it shoots out this toilet paper roll pipe into you see how the clouds are moving. I did that. Yeah, it's because of this. Yeah, did you see the sun rose this morning. Yeah, this, because this box, because this box here, like you just say stuff. So it's some idiot would be like yes, yes, yes, how much money do you need me to let me fund your research. So the other thing he made was orgone accumulators, and what these were were picture those like Saunas that you can buy at Costco. Um, yeah, the personal one where you get into it and it's like a little tent. Yeah, Oh, it's not a tent, it's like a wooden a wooden sauna, but you can buy it at Costco's like a little like it looks like an outhouse. Um, what I'm always thinking of the personal sunas. Have you seen? I'm not seeing tent based. Look up personal sauna real quick. You've got to see the pictures for this, because it looks like, you know, it just it looks like a Halloween costume, to be honest with you. Have you seen it where it's like a little easy? I'm talking about that's a real thing someone pays money for. That's a that's a purchase. That's like I got a family portrait. You know I'm talking about. That's a stupid purchase. There's a hundred dollars yeah, to just put her out and then your head is out of it and your body is just in a sauna. I got one at home. But yes, Bro, it's just it's like we took the snuggies right and we're like this is the next level snuggie. This is a introducing the sauna snugy. Right. This is terrified. Can you imagine walking into a room and not knowing? Why? Where do you put that glass when you're done drinking out of it? There's no table next to her. That's the sweat. You put it at the Sun's disgusting, doesn't it looks like the worst? Doesn't it look like she's like, yeah, it's Halloween, I'm being that girl from Willie Walker. It doesn't look like absolutely absurd? Yeah, I've never heard of this. This is not what I was thinking. I was thinking of like the actual like Saunas that you put one of the pieces from the board game. Sorry, you know, just she's hopping around. It looks so stupid. It looks you're thinking of like an actual wooden full Sana thing. Yes, yes, like one of these, the like like an actual wooden sna. Where did the picture go? Oh, it's like an actual wooden sauna that you put in like a closet in your basement, but it's only really big enough for you. Yeah, maybe you could squeeze another person in there. In my apartment I put on my personal sauna and then I'd go sit in my wood sauna, double sauna, sauna squared, is what I called it. So, so like one of those is like a little little wooden like an outhouse. That was a good that was a good description. Um. But inside of it, what he did is the walls are lined with metal and then organic insulation. Metal, organic, over and over and over again, it's insulation from Your House, but made of, I don't know, organs. Yeah, rats, I don't know. It's some kind of organic inslation. Yeah, honestly, it was probably for like, honestly, most likely for Um. But yeah, so it was alternating all and organic stuff and he believed that he could capture yeah, then he lined the inside of the walls with metal this energy. Yeah, and his idea was now it's going to conduct the energy and you could sit in that little room, close the door. It's gonna shoot that energy into you, release the energy, Um, and that will distress you and release your anxiety and he started practicing this and he was just built microwaves for people. Step into my human wave. Um, no, it was a megawave. So, uh, he started practicing and like he was. He was in Vienna, Austria, Um, and he had people who came with symptoms and his treatment would be, why don't you step in that room for like an hour? Um, you're anxious, you have a closet for that. I got a closet for that. Stress. I got another closet for stress. Um. Uh. So here's the weird thing about this, and I don't know, we've already said some weird things. I don't know if it's the weird thing about this. That's a weird thing about this part of it. Part of me is like wow, that's very odd that they did this, but then part of me, knowing all of this, it's like yeah, that makes sense that they should have done this. The F D a read his books and they were like no, we don't like that, and so so they like banned that treatment in the US and they collected up sixty his books that were in circulation and they burned up, which is the only time I've heard of the FDA ever burning books. I don't know the FDA would be the one that did it. Who would have thought? We've been keeping an eye out of like the politicians and the you know, the fascists or whatever. Secretly the Federal Department of Agriculture only got to get this off the streets. Dude, this book's caused me a lot of stress and it's giving me ideas of how to fix it. But I don't want to do those. There's there's a guy there trying to all books and he's lighting the fireworks like firewar, turning the book. But this also comes from like the same time of people who did those little belt workout machines, right. They just thought if you jiggled the fat enough it would go before that. But yeah, same concepts that. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, people were dumb for a long time. Well, wait to hear about people are still stupid. But yeah, well, wait till you find out about twitter. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this podcast you wanted more of it, please leave a review. That's super helpful to let others know who are searching for a podcast. And if you're new around here, we've been doing this for several years and there's plenty of episodes to check out. One of my personal favorites is agent Garbo, is a guy who went to the government during World War Two and was like hey, let me be a double agent and they were like no, and then he was like well, I'm gonna and so he kind of went off on his own did the thing. It's also got some crazy details about world war two, about how the US use inflatable tanks to trick Germany, all kinds of fun stuff, but if you want to go check that out, you can. Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. So in the nineties, so he he practiced for a little while and then he died. And when Freudian psychology fell out of favor, he went with it and everybody else was like, Oh yeah, that's weird. Um, we're gonna stop doing that. Um. And in the US that never really happened because the FDA burned all the books, but everywhere else kind of followed suit shortly after Um when everything changed, and till the nineties. And in the nineties the US government released a report. Um I was like, Hey, we burned all those books, Hey, you guys are that a huge fire. But when we burned a those book. There wasn't those books. We burned the graphic novel Aragon. Not a graphic novel. It's graphic in m dude, somebody in the FDA office they heard the announcement they were making that a movie and they went what what? We burned the Aragon. I thought you said something else. I thought you said the forbidden word. To this day, if you go to the FDA and you say Orgon, they shoot you with a spot. What did you say? You're dead. Jump and they're FDA desks. They're stupid little cubicles and they're just typing agriculture whatever they and someone says Orgon and then pull a pitch a mini pitchfork, a retractable pitchfork, out of their desk right and they go kill that guy. My Selfie, stick kill that guy. I do like the idea of a retractable can we make this? If people are selling personal sawness, we can absolutely make retractable pitchforks. Dude, oh my gosh, that's incredible. Yeah, who we call for that? We need to work on that. Take a note to take it out of the episodes and steals our idea. Jerry, look at the TV. They stole my idea. That is such a deep it's such a deep car also for my other idea. Get in here, but also a stuffed animal. It faults. Oh my gosh. Okay, that was a deep cut. I like that. So, uh, in the nineties, the military releases this report and it was this. It was a hypothetical study where they basically were like, what if it was possible for us, UH, in battle, to control the weather and so we could say, Hey, we're fighting these guys over that, or what if we struck him with lightning like and just added another weapon to our Arsenal? And it was incredibly hypothetical. Um, and it talked about like already doing that kind of, you know, not on purpose, but they're doing it. Is the same thing. What was that episode we talked about where when you're in the government, you just kind of make stuff up, like or your your science hypothesizer, hypothesizer. Yeah, it just makes stuff up. You can just say stuff, and this is exactly what it was. He was just theorizing. But we could, I thought, we can control clouds. Yeah, we if we could, because imagine the damage you could do if you could form a tornado yeah, yeah, or even even just like the edge you could give yourself if, in combat, you could just make it rain over where your enemy is like, and then you can see clearly and it's not raining, but for them, they're in like this trreential downport. You have an edge, and so I think that was why wouldn't you just tornado him? Why are you trying to make war more difficult, like you're gonna wear your new hand to hand combat, but some of them are wet. We're talking about well, no, you're enemy slippery now. Hello, they're stuck in the mud down there. Why don't you just Hurricane Um? You know I'm talking about like strike up a lightning, dude, like tsunami your enemy? Why did you go with what if it what if they were just you're going to be slippery now that's what I'm sorry. I'm sorry, cap he's so slipper. Sorry, it's it's sprinkling out here. Sorry, Captain, I just don't perform my best on rainy days. That's what the paper was saying. The paper wasn't saying we'RE gonna hurricane people out and more. They were saying we're gonna make it a little more cloudy, we're gonna make it rain, we're gonna control some stuff to make their, the enemy's, experience a little bit more difficult, to give us a tactical edge. That's what, yeah, they were like. They weren't like, yeah, we're gonna make a tornado. Happens. Scientists just making stupid ideas. Make them good, you know, like they're just come with a stupid idea, with a stupid idea. You know there's a so they released this paper and that's exactly what everyone said. That's stupid. Uh, it's not gonna work, except for some people. Uh, some people read that and they said this explains everything good and so, uh, this is where Kim trails came from. Uh, the conspiracy of Kem trails came from this paper. A bunch of people read that and they're like, Oh, did you know my pilot? Because I want, because I want to be a Kim trail guy. I got an email from a guy at Kem trails dot com and I was like that seems like a good career path because, like, for that theory to exist, there's pilots out there. Yeah, that's their job. Um, yeah, if you don't know, I'm surprised. But basically the idea is there's a conspiracy theory that every time you look up in the sky and there's a plane flying over and it's leading that exhaust plume behind it, that there's chemicals in that that are making you dumb. Um, that's and the government's paying for it. And if you didn't notice, it's doing it's Um. Yeah, and so this theory was like, oh, that's that's like the slow leak of them saying they're doing this. Um. And so as that theory erupted, the people who believed in it were looking for solutions and they found Bill Holm, Reich great and his cloudbusters. And so these people started building their cloudbusters like the same specs that he talked about, which was hard to do because all the books were on fire in the US. Yeah, yeah, Material Um. And so people started building these cloudbusters around their homes and they were like the chem trails they fly over, but then like over our house, it's just clear skies. There's no chem trails over our house, very clear circle. It's just circling their house. Yeah, they don't come here, they don't. Yeah, they tryum circling, but the Kim field so it had been a long time. They had dug up Wilhelm Reich's works and they started building these cloud busters again. Um, and a lot of people started using them. I say a lot of people, but like a lot of conspiracy theorists started using them. Well, they would build them and they would just leave them on their deck or something and pointed at the sky and can you find a picture of a cloudbuster? Yeah, give me a minute. It looks a lot like a David Busters. They actually are David Busters. There a front. I'm Dave. Here are my busters, here are my busters. Um, yeah, they look pretty. I mean like if it's on your WHO's cloud buster you're looking at? Okay, because I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure there's some D I y ones. Well, the majority of them are d I y cloud busters. Um, so this is like your typical cloudbuster. That a D I Y or. I think someone sending out instructions. Here's how to make one. Yeah, this is the tip pickle cloudbuster. It's a copper pipe sticking out of this box that has all your metal and stuff inside of it. is so dumb and it's just open at the top and it's busting your clouds and you can look. Look how the person takes the picture to look at the shadow right. This is a person who does the whole like thing. But apparently some people also have built some pretty insane cloudbusters like this one. This is the same picture, Jim. Sorry, no way, that's not a cloudbuster. For the audio listener, it looks like a it looks. Did you ever see the show? Oh Man, what was that show called? Where they're junkyard wars? Is a show? Ye, Yep, it looks like a junkyard wars, like military cannon. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, it looks rough. It's huge, though. This thing's gotta be like ten feet tall. And then the it's like at an angle, like it looks like a Turret Y. Yeah, it looks like it's designed to be pointed. Like you see a cloud in this guy and you turned the wheel. Let me turn my codbuster up at that. Come trip, you know, like uh so, anyways, so this has been going on for a minute then. Yeah, that was in the nineties, Um, and so for about a decade, a couple, a little over a decade, decade and maybe two decades, this has been going on where people have been building their cloudbusters until something pretty significant came out recently actually, Um, and that was five Um. Hate that. Yeah, I don't know if you remember when five g came out, but conspiracy theorists are freaked out about it. Um. They thought that it was covid yeah, they thought that it was killing all of us and making a dumber, just like the chump trails, and making a sick and all this stuff. Um. And around this time was when it's always interesting to me that the dumbest people are worried about how dumb people are, you know, like you're making you dumber, and you're like, do you hear the words you're saying? You're an idiot, like you're the government did this. I'm worried that you standing too close to your cloud buster has made you dumber. Um. So they this led to the adaptation of Oregon pucks, Um Pucks, pucks, and so what these people figured out was they could take some like metal shavings and a bunch of organic resin and layer them and squished them down in like a press and then keep doing that over and over again, get like a hundred layers and then put that into like a cupcake Pan, Um, and bake them and then it would bake into this, literally like a hockey pucks, ape of these Oregon and then just leave it on your dashboard in your car, put in your shoe this. Uh, these people are known as Oregon Gifters, and so what they do is they cover their own home with them. They've got them all over their home, they got them in their cars, they carry we have the Amazon one back there, just the echo is a or gone puck. It actually looks kind of like one. Um, that's a conspiracy theory. and Oh, shoot, are all those people gonna find this episode? Yeah, and then they're gonna be like all the because they think they're so smart, and they'll comment like three am idiots. Yeah, it'll be great. I'm very looking forward to it, um, but anyways, I can't. I'm gonna Kim Trail Your House. Dude. I want to license, dude, I want to be that's gonna be how we reply to all of those Kim till your house. You know, there's only six people in the world left that do the plane writing stuff in the world time, full time, anyway, time. That's crazy. I don't know if there's part time people, but people in the world I was looking it up. I was like, well, how much you know? Could I become one of those pilots? You gotta be really good. Yeah, that sounds hard, but I do want to write Kim trail about someone's house. You've been Kim trail. That's so many letters, but you write out Kim trail like there's no someone will be like there's no denying it. Yeah, I saw Kim trail about my house. I know because they wrote Kim trail with the Kim trail. So what these organ gifters do is they, and I kid you not, they just go around their town and they just throw the puck's places, and so they're like drive in the big or they're just around town talking about town is safe behind a bench. Yeah, that's the idea, and they're creating their organ field around their town. Um, and people will throw them in the ocean. Like the restaurants, right, and they're sitting there with a secret knowledge that they've saved the town, right, and they get some bad service and there's like these ungrateful yeah, they don't know how many pucks I have put in this restaurant. They don't know the links that I've or gone to protect this down. So now they figured out how to do them in pucks. That's yes, they started making them in pucks. What do they think about five g? How do they think that's involved? That's a little irrational. UH, because Wilhelm his point was that the these Oregon things, they're conductors, and so it's pulling the energy in and then it pulls it into your body, which you can then release. And so the logic here is if there is some sort of negative electro magnetic field, that's what least by these five g towers, then your pucks are attracting it. Um, it's not repulsive, it's attracting Um. But in their heads it's like a force field and it's protecting them from and so they'll throw them specifically at the tower, like cell phone towers. Like they'll throw them like, honestly, after after this, like let's go out to that cell tower, Um, what is that thirty nine big one, and let's just go look. I bet we might find it some pucks just around the fence. I bet we will. Let's try it. Let's just try it. If if you got a cell tower in your house, go check for pucks and post them. Tag Us if you find any, because I bet there are some. I think. I think the better place you can find it. You might find it in your hometown. I think those are the places where you're pretty much guaranteed to find let's play into this prejudice. Why do you think that? Oh, because those are the people who believe this. There was that was fun. That was fun to see you come after my small a town like that. Yeah, yeah, do you disagree? No, I don't say it out loud. I don't go around and be like I got any organ books. Sul Listen to the podcast where I call you an idiot. Uh, so, um. And they've there's people who have like started making them look different, like pyramids and like putting like, uh, the top of it. The pyramids just like clear resident and they'll put like a dragon in there, crystal and like. So it looks pretty and you put it on your desk and you know it's like an item. Um, but it's it's at all the organ. Yeah, it's keeping all the it's. Well, it's it's getting the organ gone. That's what they think. That's the idea. You gotta get the Organ Out, and that's what these do. Um, anyways. So here's what's interesting about this. Um, they're a hard person, right. The US still thinks that this stuff is garbage. Um, and they've they burn every book that comes out. The government, the FDA, gets a book off the shelf. I'm in it. Every time a new Oregon book comes out. They see the book, they go they throw it in. They got a pizza oven in the office that they throw it by fire pizza oven. Part of the way. Didn't even look just someone's like, AH, my Supreme Dude, just look next time free throw. I had a pizza in there. At the third pizza this week, you threw a bad book on. Yeah, now you gotta, you gotta Literature Pizza. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of parks like add free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking US out anyways. So the U S still has a policy against this right, Um, and there are some Um, like universities in the US that have looked at it, um, but very few outside the US. On the other hand, there are a lot of pretty notable institutions that have done some research into this Oregon stuff. Um. And Uh, let's take a look at it. So first first, prager university. It's a good joke, Alex. why are you write that down and leave that in? That's a good Um, okay. So Uh, also a great joke. Don't write it down, Alexeieve that one. Okay. So Um. Uh. They've done experiments with the three forms, the cloudbusters, the accumulator box and the PUCKX. Um. We'll start from WHO has again, prayer you. Some institutions all over the world, major institutions. Yeah, all over the world have done uh these can name any of them? Respectable institutions where that Wendy's has done some Wendy's has done some research um on these things. So we'll start with the cloudbusters. Um. Uh. The research on these has come back very inconclusive because, uh, sometimes when you point these cloudbusters at the sky, clouds will dissipate, sometimes they won't. Sometimes when you point nothing at the sky, clouds will dissipate, sometimes they won't. And so yeah, so the scientists are like, we can't say for sure that these have any effect on the clouds, but the pretty that is the scientific answer. They're pretty confident, though, that they have no effect. Uh Yeah, so the clibusters. I appreciate science for being like. I mean, we can't say for sure. No, yeah, but it's pretty clear that doesn't. The pucks. This is an interesting one. Um. Uh, and I actually watched Um. This isn't a common experiment that they'll do. Um, and a lot of the gifters will do this experiment to like prove that they work. Um. Uh. So what happens is, apparently if you have these pucks in your home, then you get stillag tights in your freezer of ICICLES, but they're not icicles going down, they're going up. Those are slag Mites. Oh, I got backwards. Okay, stlag Mites, Um, but, as I just did the fantastic caverns tour. So that's why? I know it was a time. I really like that whole family. Fantastic caverns really is fantastic. It's like legitimately, it's prettimately. I thought I bought a Hoodie. Did you really? Yeah, I thought it'd be really funny to have a fantastic caverns already. I'll wear it next time. I love that. So in a cave staag my forms with a stag tight drips on it because above it, and then it forms a column eventually, Um. And so with ICICLES, the same sort of concept can happen. When nicicle trips enough, it forms US still like my icycle. Eventually they form on iced column. But what's strange is in these freezers it's there's no icicle above, they're just it's just ice climbing upwards Um, which is very hot. And so some experiments have been done to try to understand what's causing this. Okay, it only happens in people's pombs, puck puck palaces for the welcome to her. So what they did is they got some of these pucks and they got some regular old hockey pucks. Um, I think. What do they think? That the water was psychologic like we're gonna do a placebo effect on the on the ice. I think. I think vice news actually did this as well. Um, and so, uh, oh. So, like, yeah, you were talking about like reals. So they got sometl they were like Act Institute. No, uh. So the they got a cup of water and, uh, they put a puck on top of the water and they put it in the freezer. They got a cup of water and they put a hockey puck on it and put it in the freezer, and then they different freezer just wat normal water. Sure, Um. And so all these were in separate freezers, right. Uh. What's interesting is the water that was stuck a loan in the freezer. Uh, just blocks of ice, the water with the hockey puck on it, Um, block of ice, the water with the the Puck puck on it, the Oregon puck block of ice at the top, but like a pillar of ice in the middle, and the rest of it was normal water, which is very odd. And so they continue this experiment and it would repeat. So then they started to try different positionings of the pucks. And if you put a if you put the puck above it, what's strange that would happen is you would get a spiral Um icicle in the cup of water up to that little puck of water at the top Um. But you could repeat a similar effect with the hockey puck. I messed this at the hockey puck. When it was stamped on top did get the block of ice with the pillar, but when it was on top of you didn't get the spiral. You couldn't get the spiral with the hockey puck. So it was very strange. Okay, the conclusion that the scientists came to is there is some sort of electromagnetic field manipulation happening from these, but the idea that there's a physiological effect because of that is at best circumstantial. Um. But there is some sort of field manipulation happening in some small range from these organ pucks which they're pumped full of metal Um. So most likely there's some kind of magnetism in there that would affect the world around it. So that's the idea there. The third one, and this is arguably the most interesting, is the accumulator, the Sauna Um. What they did was pretty simple. They built a sauna, a normal one, and then they built an accumulator sauna and they shoved, shoved people in there, no volunteers, and then they took about. They said WHO's strikes? Seven volunteers and one in volunteer, and they put him in there. They said, we'll let you out in two years. You guys gotta Make Your Own Oxygen. So that was always sided. And what happened? So the people, the people who are in the regular one, like just almost Sanna one, spirals, they turned into tornadoes. What happened to? Uh? What happened to Keith? Yeah, Keith Got Tornado Erica. Yeah, some scientists turned him into Tornado. I Hate Tornado. So here's what's strange. So the people in the normal SUNA, um, they had a negative experience. Um for all of them. They covered them in like heart rate monitors, brain scan monitors, like blood pressure sleeves. They were reading that. They didn't like it. Yeah, and all these people, and they gave testimonies too, but they it was a negative experience. Their blood pressure rose, they their heart rate rose, uh, their brain right rose, and so they all got stressed. Uh, most of them uh had feelings of Claustrophobia. Most of them felt very lonely. Reported feeling lonely. A lot of them. Uh, it was just an uncomfortable experience. Right. The people in the other ones, uh, they had an experience where, uh, they had a decline in stress levels, their heart rate lowered, their breathing slowed Um, and they reported that they had a sense of calm. And then they felt a tingling sensation. Um, and a lot of them. Some of them said takling sensations, others said they felt something that they couldn't describe, Um, but it was some kind of sensation. And so again it seems like there is some sort of that whole description. Yeah, what is it? Thursday night at youth camp. I just I was breathing really slowly and I felt my heart beating very when I opened my eyes, there she was and I felt like God was telling me that's the one. That's Summerton man's granddaughter. Go to her, go to her, and so I went to it and I asked for her DNA. So what were you saying? We need to line the walls of our office in metal and organic between. Here's the thing, uh, there's some evidence that these are manipulating electronic fields around them. How widely is unclear, and if that's having any real physiological effect on people is most likely circumstantial. Um. But everybody who was in that accumulator did physiologically distress. Their breathing slow, their heart rate slowed and they all reported feeling calm, where the people in the same size room that was not packed with that stuff in the wall got's more stressed, very hot. Um. Okay. But all the at this point, all the research is still technically inconclusive. Um, which brings me to a good pivot point to talk about the Oregon Warriors. Um. Okay, uh man, I don't like whatever. So there's this Uh. It's been described as a cult. Um. There's a group of people who believe that God has chosen them to bring Oregon into the world to save us all, Um, from the apocalypse. Um, and it's the Oregon that will help us survive the apocalypse, Um, which is, you know, one of my biggest years is one of these cults. Is Right. It's like one of my biggest fears, and that will all have to be begging them for help. Give me your other God, you made fun of me that podcast. YOU LISTEN TO OUR PODCAST? Never Mind, I think die happy knowing that people in the real world listen to our podcast, just so you know. Listener. No, what are you trying to say when you're stop me out, because Tim said you're taking this. No one in real life listens to our what I said? You asked me. You said, are you surprised how many people asked killing questions in your instagram post? And I said no, because my real friends don't care about me. You heard it there, folks, you're not as real friends. Keep digging, Dude said. No, keep digging the people I really go. They don't care about me. You didn't ask me a question in my instagram story. My wife didn't ask me a question in my instagram story, my dad didn't ask me. No one asked me, because you know the questions I've got. Yeah, those hit my inbox. Are you okay? Yeah, I'm digging back. Grazy, it seems like you're doing mentally fine right now. We didn't cut that out. Don't cut it. You cut it out. We can't have them. He didn't touch the pen, Dag Alex, cut it out. CUT It out. I'M gonna go back to post. I'M gonna no one's gonna hear it. I'M gonna cut it out. It's fine. Okay, you remember too. You're right. So you're Goden warriors. Um, they're like a cult where they it started by this woman named Sherry shriner. First of all, anybody who had introduced himself, I'm Sherry Shriner, I'd be like yeah, no, I'm not really interested in learning anything from my circus clown, so I'm gonna go um and as far as I can tell, this is like an Internet, only called like everyone. They organized on facebook and then she started like a radio show. She started like a radio show. It was a podcast, but she called her radio show. Um, we're a radio show. Yeah, we're a radio show. And she was on Patriot and I don't know, I checked today. She hasn't posted her she hasn't posted anything since Um and so I don't think it's active. But right now they only have five patrons. She only has five patrons. I've got a feeling that at one point it was because she has thirty thousand youtube subscribers. Um and, uh, yeah, her video views were like in the hundreds of thousands, but she hasn't posted anything since seventeen. Well, uh, so she ascended pretty crazy, just sorr spiraling up into the sky. So a little while before that, she came forward claiming that she had a vision from God that she was the granddaughter of King David. Yes, wait, she's been looking for her. Did you see me? An email? Emails the actor. So she came forward and doesn't twelve. What do you mean she came forward? Do you mean she just posted this on she came forward to she said God gave me. Well, she here's the thing. If you go to a website, she says that the meat. She's been blacklisted from the media. They don't want anyone to know about dude, I called K interview. Um, no, but she says that her whole life she's had these visions and stuff like that, and then eventually God revealed to her that she is the granddaughter of David and she was chosen to bring the Oregon pucks into the world to save us all from, uh, the apocalypse, to save the survivors, the chosen survivors, from the apocalypse. Here's the issue with Sherry Schreiner. Um, as with many cults, Um, when you question them, things go south. Um. And there are a handful of people connected to Sherry Schreiner who are dead now, Um, because they disagreed Um. And Sherry has not get ben convicted in any of this. Um, but people in her circle, like who are in her cult, have and yeah, Um, and it's uh, it's not. It seems a lot like Sherry has driven people to do the killing, but the people who do them seemed to be as. It seems like they don't even recall what happened. Hue Crime podcast. What are we talking about? Well, so she directed these people to kill the people, allegedly. Maybe maybe nothing's been tied back. Scientists say it's not. Just said. It seems like so, but we don't know. So the people who did the killing, they don't recall doing the killing, or they don't recall they either don't recall Tom the killing or they think it was an accident or they're so loyal that they won't say anything. Maybe Um, people within the call who disagreed or just people, people who I think they were all in the cult. I think they were all in the cull Um. Here's what I'll say. It's a wild story and it's very large. Maybe we should just make it apart two because we're, I'm realized, a lot of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe we should just make it a part two, separate part two on that. Yeah, do that. We'll come back to this. I don't like how cool you just got. How you yeah, yeah, let's uh, let's talk about all this murder next time. Next time I'm tilling murder. 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There are people across the entire world who are dropping little pucks of metal and organic material around cities and wilderness. What exactly are these pucks? They call them Orgone, and their history is quite strange. It began in the 1930s with psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich who admired Sigmund Freud. We know exactly where this is going, to a weird place. … Read More

Tamam Shud Case – They Dug Up the Somerton Man

08-23-22

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Hey, man, what's going on? Oh, what are you wanna talking about? Have you ever heard of the to mom shoot? CASE TO MOM shoot? Yeah, case, what about this? Have you ever heard of the Summerton man, the Summerton Man? Yeah, to mom shoot, that's a name. No, Oh, it's the name of the case, the to mom shoot, case to mom shoot. Is it one word? No, it's two words. To Mom, to mom, to mom from shoot. And it was a case. Yeah, post postage from Summerton, the Summerton Mayn the Summerton man. That sounds like it's gonna be an alien thing, but let's do it. Gosh, I wish it's not. Man, this has nothing to do with actually, you know what, there could be summarians. If I wanted there to be, I could make it happen. That's exactly how all the stories worked. If you want it, you can make you want it, you get that place. Yes, so let's get into it. Yeah, let's start from the beginning of the story. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out who this guy is so I can marry his actual grange. I think this guy did it. Okay, this guy didn't. I think this guy did it. A pretty mobster thing. To leave with a dead body, and so he started digging and do some research, literally figuratively. Okay, well, to mom, should I look further into this things I learned last night. Let's start in the middle. Let's start in the middle and see where we end up. Okay. So the manager of one of the railroad stations in Adelaide called the police that they found a briefcase. Thank you for going with that bit. That was really good, but you gave away a little bit too much there. There's a briefcase. There is a briefcase. We'll get to that. We'll make it okay. Correct. On December first nineteen, at Summerton Park Beach, which is a beach in Adelaide, Australia. Um, someone, I don't know why I'm laughing at this, someone found a dead guy. Wow, it was yeah, I mean, he's dead either way, but that doesn't make it fine. We mean, I don't why are you giggling? Well, because I was gonna in my head, in my God, he died, like what are you freaking? Well, in my head what I was gonna do was what I was gonna do was ill be like on the beach. They found this and I was going to throw the picture of him like clearly, like in it, like on like a bed, like a dead table. A second, hold on a second. This is a well dressed man, he is. I think I saw an article about this. Really, I didn't read the article. Interesting, I never knew. I just get the picture. This is get that our first screen. There guys dead. Yeah. Well, the reason I laughed at because I was gonna throw this on stage or on screen and like clearly, like on the table. He's clearly on the table at the police station. Okay, and so that's why I was laughing because I was like they didn't find out on the beach. Dude, people who listen to this already think you're a bad person, like you don't going to try to work your way out of it. Okay, great, okay, so that guy was dead. So there's a couple of horseback und suit, like not a suit, yeah, yeah, yeah, but a button up shirt in a tie. Yeah. So's on the beach. There's a lot of peculiarities about this. The people that found finally figured it out horseback riding and then they're they're just trotting along the beach and they see this guy laying up against some rocks on the beach, and so they went over and they're like, Oh, this guy fell asleep on the beach and he's wearing a suit. That's a little strange. And so they went over, they started shaking his legs a little bit to try to wake him up and they're like, oh, he's not gonna wake up. So then they called the police and they were like, we just found down here where just riding our horses. So, are you laughing? No, that was the horse, the horse neighing. Are you laughing? So they called the police and they're like, Hey, there's a guy down here who's very well dressed. Yes, the police come. I think we found Joseph a bank and I don't like the way he looks. Is that which is why you don't like the way? If it was, you'd like the way it was. True anyways. Um, so the police got there at the beginning their investigation, uh, and what they found was interesting. This is in Australia, this is December. One. Yeah, what do they find when they show up? Well, one, Um, he had very little on him for clothes. Well, yeah, so he had the very little items, personal items. He didn't have a wallet, he didn't have any. I D he had a lit cigarette. That I mean it wasn't let anymore. It burnt out, burnt out cigarettes. Did they estimate how long they thought he had been there? Yeah, they think he died overnight at this point. Um and so, uh, and then a week old. No, it wasn't like he'd been to can um so. Burnt out cigarette. Uh, I can't reme if it was a lighter, our matches, something to light the cigarette with. Firework. Gotta light it quick, click before did she? You're using a very. You gotta light the firework. He's got a lighter to light that dad GUMMIC. Was it so hard? They should really make a way to do the straight to the cigarette. Okay, you're trying to light it with a punk, with a Punk, uh. So. Uh. What's strange is, other than that, he has no personal effects except for I folded up piece of paper and that piece of paper has printed on it, not written, printed, the phrase to mom shoot, and no one knows what that means. T A N A N S H U D shoot. Okay, to mom shoot. Um. The police have no idea what that means. Um. Another peculiar thing is, uh, he's wearing this full suit, but nothing has a tag on it. All the tags have been cut out and so like there's evidence that there was tax. Okay, somebody got rid of them, whether it was this manner somebody else. Okay, and there's no clear and that's suspicious. Yeah, somebody. Dude, I don't like having tags in my shirts. That's fair, but do you have tags cut out of literally all the clothes that you're wearing? I don't have tags on my car. That's how much I don't like them. I hate tags. ITCHY, I won't put it. Yeah, get those tags off my license plate. So, uh, no tags any of US goes. Not even his tie, all the tags cut off. So we'll put that in the might be suspicious. If you're trying to make a suspicious column, that's fair. I mean him being dead on the beach suspicious. Right, typed just two words on the paper, paper, yeah, might be suspicious. This was before the home printers computer suspicious. Getting something printed wasn't easy. Um Uh. So then they started going around and asking locals that lived along this area if they saw anything weird last night. Okay, and so they brought a lot of the locals to bye bye to the police. Just don't your brain. Got A lot of locals to the police station to see if they could get an I d look at the body. Yeah, they're like a line of people who were like, I want to see that body. Police. You know this guy, angry dude in his bathrobe with a cup of coffees, like can't you read? The signy points no bodies allowed. So they call up a bunch of the locals and they come in to look at the body and no one knows who he is. But some people are like, Oh, I did see that guy last night. He was walking along the road next to the beach Um and he just seemed odd, Um and so like like he was doing. I was looking at his clothes. I was like he didn't have any tags clothes, and they're like how do you know that? For AB outside? Oh that my power. I can sense tag. Yeah, Hey, how did you make that shirt if you didn't craft like get a tag to craft it out? I started with the TAG. So Um they they're like yeah, we saw him walking down the street in that suit and whatever, and we're like, oh, that's peculiar that this dude's like walking along this beach road in a suit, like most people down here are going to the beach or coming back from the beach. Um, and he's wearing a full suit. So it's a weird place for him to be walking around, unless he was going to the beach, which not dressed for it. Was He wearing shoes? I've never heard a question asked. I don't know. I assume I've never heard that question asked. Nobody in any any of it. If he's wearing a full suit, I didn't know if he was down there bare foot at the beach. Yeah, there was no description of what wards on his feet, so I assume he's wearing shoes his feet. But one of the witnesses was like, yeah, we saw him just walking along the beach and we're like, oh, that's kind of odd. Um. And then they were like at one point he could kind of like lifted his arm up like it was bothering him and he's like trying to like stretch it and like pop it into place or something like that. And then they were like and then he put his arm down and he just kind of froze and they're like and he just sat there like blank stare for a long time, like longer than normal amount of time to just stop. And so, like they said, he like stretched a little bit and then he just froze, completely emotionless, completely emotional less, and then he kept walking, like he just he's like his player logged out for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then he just kept going. You had to keep on with the episode. Great, are you logging out? Cool, sweet, excited about that. UH So. Uh. Some other UH locals who witnessed him. They said that they had seen him walking along the beach smoking that cigarette and they thought it was odd because, again, he's wearing a full suit and they're like, what are you doing? I was bretting a bit to me. And so it's fine. So the police, like, I guess, they invited a bunch of people to look at him. Uh, no one knew who he was. They asked for reports. I hate the police in and look at this guy. Hey, will you come look at this guy? What was odd? There's there was no clear signs of how he died, like there wasn't all there was he wounds, bruising, like, no signs of a struggle. Um. And so the police send this guy off to get autop seed and they were just like, well, let's just wait until a missing person's report comes in, because someone nearby probably is going to be like hey, this guy's gone. Um. And that never happened. Uh. And so then they started checking missing person's report around Australia and none that matched this guy's description ever came up. And then they spread it out to every English speech and speaking country. Uh, and no matching missing person's report came up ah for this guy. So then this this started to get a little peculiar. There was no evidence that anybody noticed that this guy was gone. Um. Meanwhile they get this autopsied and the report comes back Um. And what was interesting was there was signs. There's this guy had eaten a really gross sandwich at one point, so there are signs of poisoning. He had a bunch of organs that were that had shut down, Um, and so it was clear signs of poisoning, but there was no poison in its system. And so what had to happened is there are non traceable poisons out there that nefarious people will use because it can't be traced and they like when they interact the body, they have the effect on all your Organsas shut you down. But then there's a chemical reaction that transitions it into just natural chemicals that are in the body. And so when an autopsy is when an autopsy's done. Yeah, it's just not traceable. Yeah, you can't tell what's in there. And so, Um, so this was not this was not the Mike Molloy crew. Um, this was a group. This was someone who had the means and the know how of how to poison someone. It look have no one know what happened. And so now the police are like, okay, well, this is strange. Um, there's no connection to this guy anywhere and he was poisoned, but we have no way of tracing it. And so they they're like this is a big mystery and it's it hit the news, it started cycling throughout Australia and it was kind of like the big story of the day. Uh. And so they enlisted the public's health and what they said is they said, hey, we're looking for a couple of things. We need to know. Does anyone recognize the guy? They put that that picture of him in the paper. Um, does anybody recognize this? It's crazy. We just just put pictures of dead people in newspapers. Yeah, I mean we don't do that anymore. Yeah, I guess that's true. There's I mean it's not. This is a graphic dead guy, though, like he's not dead, but it's like this, like for all intents and purposes he's just I don't know. He's like when your uncle pretends to be dead. That's what he looks like. What he's like. I mean that's what he looks like. Often does your uncle pretend to be dead? Just I don't like looking at this, you know, like when when it all comes out and you're messing with each other and then he's just like you killed me. You know, that's what he looks like. Okay, this is a weird example. You could have said just anybody pretend to be dead, but you went that is like uncle. That's uncle level, you know, not anybody dead. This is uncle. That's uncle dead. Yeah, I like to you to be my uncle, dad, uncle dead, is my wrestler name. So so they enlist the publics help. They said, we need a few things. Do you recognize this guy? Here's a picture this dead guy. Do you recognize them? And then they said we need a few other things. We're pretty sure he's from out of town. Um. So has anybody noticed any misplaced baggage or unaccounted for baggage anywhere? Just anywhere? Um. So there's that, because it's probably his. Yeah. And then third they were like there was a torn scrap of paper that said to mom shoot in his pocket. Does anybody know what that means or what the other half says? Yeah, what it's from? We think it's from a book. Does anybody recognize that phrase from sub buck? Um? So, uh, luckily they got bites on two out of three of those things. Nobody knew who he was by looking at him. So that one, that car got taken off the table. But uh, the one of the UH directors of the railroad station in town called the police and said, hey, we gotta misplaced luggage over here. Yes, I kept waiting to and so the police came and they was that briefcase. It shows that that luggage and they opened it up, but it was the typical thing you expect in the luggage from someone who's taping iphone and toylet trees and stuff like that. What was strange was all the clothes missing tax so put it in the only suspicious if you think a suspicious column. Here's what's here's what else is interesting. Um, so they that they're going on that that they go, yes, this guy's suitcase. Well, here's a couple of here's a couple of pictures of him dead in the suitcase. How did they do it? You know, it's the pictures of him from the paper they cut. They cut him out, snuck him into the briefcase in the travel right now. I like it? No. So, uh, the suitcase or the clothes in the suitcase? What else was interesting about it was, uh, they were made. There was multiple clothing items in here that were made from a specific kind of threading that wasn't available in Australia. It was only available in the United States at the time. So they went and they checked and that was the same kind of thread that the man at the beach was wearing. And so they're like, this is a pretty decent connection. The tigs are cut out the same kind of thread. A missing bag from a guy. We're pretty sure it's from out of town. This guy's American. Yeah, he's case clothes. We don't care anymore. That's how it works. That's how it works. American goes missing in the other countries. They go, yeah, stupid Americans, bubb he got lost in another kind oh yeah, let Um. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh. It's this guy in the MLB who really steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff. And there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. So, but other than that, there wasn't a lot of uh good leads, except for Um, there was a couple uh items in there. The his, one of the ties and like a little canvas bag that had a label on it that said t keen Um and so like. That is a name, probably okay, uh so again. Yeah, I was a detective school and uh that gives me the knowledge to know that he is probably an abbreviated first name. keene might be a last name. You know. Yeah, no, don't worry, I'm here now. We can solve this crime. So they started calling around for a t keen. Um, couldn't find one. Not In Australia, not in Great Britain, not in the United States, not freaking there's no tkeing anywhere. Uh. And so the police kind of concluded that they think t keen was white rabbit. Whoever did this, they left that name in there without yeah, it was a poison somebody, you know make it look like. Well, it's harder to do that now, but yeah, you try to trick the police and get him off your trail a little bit. And that was what they thought the t keen thing was. Um, which t keen? When you see that t keen it's it feels like, did you ever play crash bandicoot? We were talking about this in the discord the other day. What where'd that come from? Have you ever played crash bandicoot? Really, I think so, but not enough to be like I played craft bandicoot. T keen sounds like one of like would be the name of one of the characters. And crash bandicoot we're talking about in the disccord made me think of a speaking the discord, this was recommended by daily man, who's recommended a lot of stuff for us. He's yeah, he's hitting a true hero supporter. So Um, but anyways, uh, the other thing that came up from them reaching out to the public was that note and some guy came forward and was like, you're not gonna believe this. I think this guy did it. Okay, this guy did I think this guy did it. You're not gonna believe this. I touched a spaceship and there was where I could describe as a download and I just typed out and just said to mom, shoot over and over and over again. Uh So, so, yeah, so, are you gonna log back in or am I just gonna have to keep powering through right now? Great, just back. Okay, what happened? What happened? I was downloaded. Happened? No, what happened was this guy called the police and he was like, he was like, I met this guy named t keen last night and I killed him. Yeah, I believe this. I killed the guy on the beach. Guy On the beach. He looked familiar and I woke up and I was like a little hungover, right, and then I was just remembering my drunken night and I went, oh no, I think I killed that the guy. Uh No, so he said, in the night of the murder, or whatever happened on the night of the death. Um, he said he he lives right by the beach and so he parked on the street and he left his back window down by mistake. He said he woke up in the morning and somebody had tossed a book in the backseat of his car and he opened up that book and the last page of the book was torn, torn in half, and they took it down to the police station and then lined up with that torn piece to mom shoot what the book was. And that's why I think he did it, because I was like, how did this? I just end up in a random to it in my car and you know, yeah, Um, what was the book? The book want to get away with it. The book was a book called H Ruby Yacht by Omar. Yeah, it does actually, Um, and so yeah, it's a he was a purchase. Honestly, a pretty mobster thing to leave with a dead body. It's just the the riddler the end, it's just that you're you're super villain. Call sign is just what do you call yourself? A bookworm? He's level the ends. He just carries that book he's got like no, he's got differs. Yeah, Dude, and you go home in his bookshelf and that's how that's that's his momentum from killing people. Is like yeah, he pulls it out and he goes AH, yeah, the Hobbit. Yeah, he's like, yeah, I killed t keen and like the end is ripped up. Honestly, we're writing a movie right now. Yeah, that could be pretty that's a pretty good kill. Pretty Cool at movie C I S Um. And so this. When the police saw this, yeah, their conclusion was this guy tell the truth. Their conclusion was the guy committed suicide and that was his suicide note. That was the way of him saying this is the end to mom shoot. Um. Uh. But that that leaves some questions, because he shot up in town with a suitcase full of stuff that he just left at the railroad station. The rail station, the train station. There we go, the train station. Uh, and then he poisoned himself with an untraceable poison. Um. Yeah, well, but that's also the assumption that it was poison. I mean, there's other things that could cause all those organs to fail, like just the autopsy report that I hated. The autopsy. He said, I'm confident this was a poison, but I cannot you know, the guy who did the autops rust him. That's another movie. And autopsy and autopsis corner like autopsis better in autopsis autopsis. HMM. In autopsys, who kills people to get to do the autopsy? What about a guy who doesn't understand the difference between autopsy and optometry? And so he goes to optometry school thinking and he's like, dude, we're spending so much time on the eyeballs. I thought he's closed him like when, what do you Wad to learn about the rest of the body? It spends four years in autometry school, it doesn't figure it out. I was like that idea, oh gosh. So Um, they label it uh a suicide and they kind of closed the book, right. They literally they closed be out, which, by the way, was from uh first or no eleventh century Persia, so it's an old book. Um. So another detective, though, was like, I think we should look a little closer into this, and so he choose. He checked the book to mom, shoot to mom. Should I look further into this? Yes, and so he grabbed the book and he notices that on the back cover. There are indentations. So he traces the indentations on the back cover and there's it's a bunch of letters. It's a string of letters all the way down, like someone had a paper written and labor adding on the back Um. But those letters do the thing where you put the paper over and then you just like do that. That's true detective work, though. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool, and it just says be sure to drink like that, dude. Okay, get away from these advertisements. A book for the first century. Okay, so he traces it, but it doesn't spell out anything. There's they tracted to every known language and they're like this doesn't spell anything. So like this must be letter. Who is this? He's been killing, he's been doing this, uh. It's so like this must be a cipher. And so they started trying to decode they think that the book was used to some kind of code, and so there's something where you're clippingto the pages and okay, and so that's why they had on the back cover. He was going through and then writing down those codes. Sure, and then once they solved it, he tore that page to go do the kill or the hit or whatever it was. What was what else was very peculiar is they flipped the book over. The front cover also had indentations to ask the front cover. The front cover was a phone number, and so they look up this phone number and it belonged to a local woman. Hold on the me. That's what it says in the phone book. They didn't have names in the forties, just woman. You know, writes weren't the same back then. You know, oh my Gosh, oh, Hey, I wanna, I want to show you this. Actually, Hey, I want unrelated, not even like. This is the code that they traced on the on the back cover. Um, and they're like, he crossed stuff out too. Um, so it looks like he was working on it. Like interesting. So, uh, yeah, very strange. Okay, okay, anyways, Um, uh. But yeah, so then that phone number was traced back to a Jessica Thompson who lived in New South Wales, Um, which was where this happened. She lived like five minutes from where this happened. Um, and uh, she was a nurse in the military. Uh, that served in the war. Um, and so this is the World War Two or the emo one. Yeah, I starved in the war. People are just like thank you for your certain wait, were we gonna make the great em war veteran hats? I think we were forgot about that. We got that all right, okay. And so they called her and they said, hey, you know anythink about this? And then she's like no, like your number was in the book, and she was like what book? The phone book? No, I know they do that. Uh Not. So they asked her come down. They're like you want to look at this? You want? Well, she comes on your white gloves. So she comes down to the police station to look at the dead body and what was interesting is the corner gave a report saying that her response was very odd because, remember, she was a nurse military Um World War Two. Yeah, and she's seeing probably much more gruesome dead bodies in this and he said that when she walked in the room, Um, she was fine, like totally like pretty friendly, normal, whatever, and then they pulled back the blanket or whatever to reveal the main's face and she said that her countenance totally changed and it was like she had seen a ghost, Um, and she looked down refused to look at them, and they're like do you know this man and he and she was like no, I do not know this man. And then they're like are you sure that you don't know who this is? She's like no, I I have no idea who that is. I've never seen that. And she's like can can I leave now? And she and they were like insisting, trying to be like do you know? And she's like no, no idea who that is. Um, okay, and they're like all right, they'll see you later. Goodbye. And she goes to mom. Shoot, what did you just say? I said I hope tomorrow is good. Um. So she goes home. She is she connected to the guy with that called in for the book? No, no, well, not. Yeah, I should say. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe she is. Maybe she threw in the back seat. Oh No. So at this point the police are out of ideas. They followed everything that they have, um, and they just said, you know what, we're pretty sure this guy committed suicide. Um, and they buried him in a grave that said the unknown man. Um. But what they did was because they were like, who knows if some more evidence were to come up, and so they embalmed the body, they took a cast of his whole body and kept that at the police station. Filled it. And you want to see something, they filled it, made a statue of him, right, and it put it in the town square. Now it's called the Summerton man and the statues terrified. It looks way scarier. You walk by the uncle dead. You know it's it's it's not great. They did this big cast and I've kept at the police station, and then they about like the cast of that guy. Yeah, just in case some more evidence came forward and they had to. It's huge. That's a big cast to just have the police station where I'm saying, I guess they had the back closet somewhere where they kept all the other dead casts. That's a big thing, okay. Uh. And then, uh, they embombed the body and they buried him in a shallow grave under dry dirt, so that way if they needed to dig him up he was involved, they could dig him up and they couldn't continue the investigation. The police were just like, I'm pretty sure he killed himself, but we don't know for sure. Um, end of story. Can you earn my tumbstone? Put the one man, the unknown man. It's kind of a cool thing to have col pretty cool, Um, and so it became this thing to put the end in some it's Um. So, uh, this became kind of like a folk legend around Australia and then eventually it started to spread outside of Australia and everybody had their theories, from the general's generally accepted theory of suicide to a drunken night that went too far, and he had alcohol poisoning too. We're all living in a second life. His owner locked out, you know, he feed him like a neo pet and then died. The most common theory, though, is that he was a spy, Um, which he checks out. He cut out all of his tags. Um. Why would that? You keep going to that. Why would spies and to do that? So no one could identify them? The tags of whatever, the brand of the shirt you're wearing. Yeah, they tell you what size shirt you wear and they also say Canada, US, whatever like, wherever it was sold, so people could track you at least a little bit. What information do you have on your shirt tag? Don't wash this this way. I don't have a tag. Played The twilight zone over the I don't have a tag. Might be suspicious. That might be suspicious, but then he's got this the book and the code and the coming into town. No one knows who he is. The suspicious death. Um, that lady who was like no, no, I don't know who he is. Yeah, Um, and so the theory is that she was another spy. Oh, she did the killing because they were like enemies, because she did have a military background, Um, in the war. Yeah, and she lived nearby. Uh. So she threw the book in the car, Killed The guy, left the note while she deciphered the code, found her mark, left her phone number on the book. That's what I'm saying. Like, what was the why is she writing out her own phone number? It's a brandy number. She just left the verizon store. Had to remember it. I can't forget that. Now I got to solve this code. And she lived five minutes. Wait, so you think they tapped her because she's a local spy? Yeah, that's that's why it works like Uber where they're just like we gotta Hit, let's find the closest spy. The algorithm identifies WHO's closest. He's a spy. Didn't needed to kill someone or listen to someone kill this guy for six dollars, thirty nine cents, except searge pricing, searche pricing. Um. So another theory, though, was that they were lovers and that's where I was going. Um, and he had traveled to come see her. They had gotten to some sort of disagreements. He's like, I kind of I don't like the way they feel. I made those shirts for you. I started with the tag and I made a shirt and you just ripped the tag right out. You ripped my heart out, Thomas Keene. So let's go get some drinks. Okay, okay, weird. Sorry, suspicious only if you're trying to be suspicious. Shirt. So, uh, it gave to town and he on that book. I don't know if he was trying to write out a love note, but that's what's post poisonous. Right there, Leah Ba Q, See to Tim Sam s God, uh, sign here, sign, signed wed. Hey, are you Thomas? Are you here? Thomas Thomas? Give me that book. Throwing this in someone's car. This isn't ours, that was theirs. We just took that book. I'M gonna lay down on the beach here. Take the cigarette and fire words. So it's potential. I'm two poisoned for this. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, head and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcasts, spotify youtube. You'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight, six six. Thank you so much for being here. So he came to see this girl and she was not interested, so not interested that she killed him, or so not interested that he killed himself. Or the fake phone number? That fake number happens to belong to a spy who then killed him. Yeah, you know, yeah, what an unlucky uh so, anyways, so, uh, those are kind of the leading theories. Uh today, though. UH, actually, two days ago, something interesting happened. Um, okay, on July there's a guided by the name of Derek Abbott Um, who is a professor at the University of the Adelaide Um, who has been obsessed with this for decades. Um, healthy. Uh, let's tell Derek Abbott story for a second. Um. So, Derek Abbott, Um, he's dead. Here's a picture of me. Uh. So He's a professor and he was like, I think we could solve this, um. And so he started digging and doing some research, literally figuratively. Well, we'll get there figuratively. Literally. Uh so he started doing some research and his thought was if we could identify the family tree, then maybe we could identify who did um and figure out what happened to him, if we know who made the body. Well, Um, he went and he asked the police. He said, Hey, remember when you took a cast of that dead guy like sixty years ago? Could I have it? And they were like okay. Uh so he took it and on the third floor red tape on it. That's so he took it and the cast inside the cast. Lo and behold, some hairs had stuck to the cast. And so he took it inside. Some DNA research on it. Um, that was mostly threw it into ancestry dot com. Yeah, it was mostly inconclusive. But in doing that, uh, he had a couple of ideas, because we had the identity of that woman who had the phone number, and so he was able to have find out that that woman with the phone number, Um, was pregnant at the time. Oh and and she was dating a guy that she later married. Um. But it was not his child, that child that was born. His name was Robin, and a significant detail about Robin is robin grew up to become a professional ballet dancer. Something that was very strange about the body on the beach was that he had extremely muscular calves. People often remarked. This is something that's very interesting about it, was that he died in his ankles just I mean it looked like he'd spent his whole wife on his toes. You know. Witness, a witness said I saw him just bounding down the street. Should hold on, I think move it to suspicious mostly, but also we were involved right the way you just that is a ballet move right. I don't know. I think that's a ballet thing. Um. So what they said was, uh, they often remarked the size of his calves, how muscular. People were just talking about his calves. Yeah, a lot of people saw this on my tombstone. Be Unknown Man. Remarkable calves. I know that we filmed this show there was a table and you can't see my calves, but I'm gonna be real with you. They're great. I was a baseball catcher growing up. My legs are awesome. He also was described as having petite feet. That you're telling me you didn't bring that up earlier. When I said Hey, well, I wanted the big reveal, was like hey, it's pretty his feet were petite, petite. So, uh UH. Everybody, especially the police, everybody was talking about everybody especially. Did you see the calves on that cast? And we got back there look at her calf cast. So the police, we're like, we're pretty sure this guy was a ballet. I've been working on my calves lately and every once in a while I sneak back to that room, opened up that cast and put my calf in there to see if it's like sized up or not. You know, that's calf goals. So the police are like, this guy's a ballet. Answer. That was the conclusion that they made. But all the way back then, all the way back then, the police were like, this guy's a ballet. Answer. And so when Abbott traced that girl who was pregnant and my son became grew up to become a professional ballet dancer. Abbott was like, well, that's pretty significant. So he went to track down that woman, but she had since died. So she went to track down Robin, but he had also since died. But Luckily, Um, he was a professional ballet answer so a lot of people knew about him. So he followed around his paper train. Sure, uh, and he found a woman that the guy had danced with a lot Um, that he ended up in a relationship with and it danced a little bit together. Danced with a lot, you know. You you dance enough with a with a Gal, and then all of a sudden you've got two kids in a house payment, you know, and it started with a little dance, started with just a little ballet. That's why those eighth grade dances, they're very like the chaperones, like yeah, I think, yeah, exactly. You want to have a car pay with them. So he said that to me, made three dance. You WANTA have a car pay with her. Really made me think through some things. You know, how much is a car payment? Well, I don't know how much, and at that time sounds like whoa every month. No Way. Yeah, yeah, definitely not. Um. So, uh. They had been dancing together for a while, but they were young and they were just coming up, so they did not have a lot money yet and they had a child who they gave up for adopting. It dancing the children. So they had this this child and they gave her up for adoption. Um and UH. That girl ended up going and tracking down her mom and, when she was an adult, tracked down her mom, connected with her mom and they began doing ballet together. Um Abbott tracked down that that woman, the mom of the woman who had the relationship with Robin before Robin died. Um Abbot tracks her down and also started doing ballet with her. You gotta get you gotta established report like H and she was like you have great calfs, thank you, thank you. Would you with them? Would you like to dance? Uh So, uh. But the MOM wanted nothing to do with him. Um, she was like very aggressive trying to get him to leave. But the daughter, I think her name was Rachel, if I remember right. Um, she was like, I think we should hear him out, and so she went behind her mom's back and was like hey, let's meet up let's go grab dinner and we can talk through this, because she had never heard of any of this. So Derek tells her about the whole case and basically it's like yeah, basically, Derek is like, I think this guy might be your grandfather. If we can put you in the cast and see if your calves match up, we need to match your cat. You are the missing link. And so they have this dinner and then he kind of doesn't reveal where. He's like, I think it's you, um or I think it's your Grandpa, uh. And she's like okay, well, what do you need for? I mean he's like I need your DNA. Uh. And so she agrees and he takes some of her hair um in the middle of the restaurant. Thank you. So you can't cut her hair here. I'm plucking you only these. Dude, need to plug m you can pull. Okay, sorry, I logged out there. So, uh, here's the here's the best part of the Abbot Story. They were not related to DNA. showed if they weren't even quotes. The best part of the Abbot story is the next day he proposed her and think I'm married and they had kids. Is that Real, shut up, that's real. You can't dance with anybody. No Way. One dinner together, she says Yes to a DNA test and he's like. He's like, well, you said Yes to one question. I have another. No, yeah, yeah, they got married. So basically, now let's look at this for a different perspectives, though. All right, let's look at this from her mom's perspective. He shows up and he's like, Hey, I'm trying to track down who I think might be Robbin's Dad, and she goes no, I want nothing to do with you, and he's like, I want to marry your daughter. I just picture her coming home after that dinner. She's like, Hey, I got dinner with that Derek Guy. He asked for my d N A and she's like and also, my hand is marriage. He asked her a hair from my head and my hand in marriage. That's something. I'm married and they kind of they bonded over the trying to track down her dead GRANDPA every morning, every night before his kids go to bed, he goes, let me tell you about your great grandfather, allegedly. Well, they actually I watched the documentary for all three of them. Ballet Dancers, calves were huge. Dude. Your kid has adult calves. A scrawny little kid with massive calves, dude, I mean huge calves. Right now, they wobble. It's weird. Feet are so petite, right. Can't even hold him up right to that guy. That's bonkers. That's that's also a breach of boundaries with his with his whole life, right. You can't marry into the story you're trying to figure out. So, uh, yeah, I watched the documentary. They have this playroom with the kids. The kids are coloring in the playroom, right, and they point over to this wall and there's this painting and they're like that's our grandma and they talk about it a little bit and then they turned up point the other wall and they're like that's the man on the beach. He might be our GRANDPA, and it's a painting of like what they think he looked like a live Oh, I thought it was the picture. It's the dead uncle picture. That might be our grand that might be our GRANDPA. They put a stocking out from a Christmas you know. They photoshopp him in at all the fan pictures because she's adopted. She's really not even like yeah, yeah, yeah, so did they? Are they genetically connected or no? Uh So, as of two days ago he came forward to say I'm married her and I'm convinced. We need to back this story up a little bit. You think? Do you think I would leave my wife and two kids to marry this girl if I wasn't sure? Hold on this. So he here's here's an important part of the story. Um, this happened like a decade ago. Okay, okay, and he got her hair and they've been testing it, but it's been inconclusive and they've been testing it. Take that and she's like, honey, I'm running out of hair. She looks like the doll from rugrats. Why does your head look like that? My husband's doing research, husband's trying to find my dead GRANDPA and all the kids go. I'll let you so. Uh So, he for about a decade has been trying to get the Australian government to dig up the body because he wanted because these have been inconclusive, the DNA tests. We could get a tooth. If we could get a tooth or something, we could get really good DNA for sure. So you've been trying and trying, but the Australian government is like, Bro you're a weird man. We're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. And then a new attorney general steps in. My first action was, attorney general, do you have that man dig up all the Ted there's still alive guys, like he's just crazy. He's like dig them all up, get him out of the ground right, put them all out. And this guy is like, this guy is crazy, but this is a good opportunity for me. Let me get my hands on that dead guy. That specific uh. So this attorney general was like yeah, that sounds like a great call, and so they took up the body, but they were like the police have to handle this, and so they sent it to the corner to do some DNA testing. This was in twenty nineteen. At the end of Twenty nineteen, which, as you remember, happened, sidelined everything for a little while. UH, they can't do DNA to you? I don't know. They sidelined the project for a little bit, but they just went back to it. Um, and the police are still working on it. But Um, I guess two days ago, I guess Derek Abbott has not stopped working on it. He doesn't have the body, so I don't know what he's getting. I guess. Um. And so he's come forward to the Australian CNN, Um, and he's said that he's identified the Summerton man as a Carl Charles Webb Um, who was an electrical engineer and an instrument maker born in Melbourne in nineteen o five, Um. And he says he's still researching his connection to everything and what happened to him, but he's confident that that's who that is. And so CNN went to the police and we're like can you know? Yeah, they were like, well, we can't comment on this at this point in our investigation. So Abbott is pretty confident of who it is, which sure would be no relation to his wife. Well, maybe, maybe, I guess maybe, Um, it's not. I think it's not. Maybe I shouldn't say he want to be. He's like, yeah, I'm trying to figure out who this guy is so I can marry his actual grade. I'm looking for his granddaugh I've been he's got really tiny caps and he's like he's like, I don't want to carry that gene though. Um. So he's confident that is this Carl Charles Webb, Um, but there's not uh the police haven't uh confirmed to that and he hasn't identified like the storyline yet. He's just come forward to say I've got I've got an I d okay. So, and that was two days ago. So this is a developing story. Um, so keep your TVs tuned to tilling dot TV. Uh, don't do that, because we're going to report it to you first, all of your capitlated news. So, yeah, that's uh, that's a summer to man. It's a it's an unsolved mystery. We still don't know. Um, the documentaries are weird to go. I'm going to dedicate my life to this. I mean, if you're derek the you're looking for your wife. I just know that that man's granddaughter is my soul mate. There's a scene in the documentary where they will walking along the beach together and they like sat down on a rock together and like right there, that's where he died. And then that's real. Yeah, and then he was like, he was like it's like, you know, if it weren't for that, we never would have if they were grand possible murder. Yeah, that's what I used to say whatever. I used to meet girls at funerals. Do you know that? I used to pick them up at funerals, you know, just go hang out. Be Like Sad, isn't it? Yeah, but it wasn't for that, we wouldn't be meeting right now. You know, it was a great pickup line. No, no, do you know who that guy's granddaughter? You know that guy's granddaughter? The idea of BIOS have any words? Yeah, which you use grand so, anyway, that's the summer to man crazy story. Um, no real conclusion. uh, but maybe soon. Maybe soon we'll know. I personally so you. You would say that this is the to mom shoot of the episode. Yeah, I want to say my theory, though. I personally I think that he probably off things. 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The Dutch East India Company – The World’s First Evil Corporation

08-16-22

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Hey, man, have you ever heard of spices? Like? Yeah, like spices. What? What is? What is that? You should bring that from a whole some nundagg. I'm allergic to that. Why did you? Why do you have what is? Because that's what we're talking about today, is spices rounding nut meg. We're talking about NUTMEG. If you're listening, I just blue nutmeg all over chair and poured a bunch in my hand and I just blew like this dust. I think there's my eye. Jeez. Do you know what's gross is every pastor's House I've gone to they got a whole shelf of spices. Who Do we kill for this? What if? And hear me out? Instead of more, we tried more, but they got to start this military basebook's got a military group in my backyard, though I love them. Things I learned last night. Spices as a whole. No, are we going to talk about the girls? No, have you ever heard of u? Um, is there a nutmeg candle? Because that doesn't smell bad. Yeah, maybe we should just blow it in the office every time we walk in. Yeah, it's a good luck thing. If we don't do it, we die. Every day. It becomes a thing where we sprinkle nutmeg over the door, over the art of our door. Someone comes in and we go, oh no, you didn't not make the door. To make the door, dude, okay, get just coming to you without making that door. You know. Hey, that's how are we going? The spices? Okay, have you ever heard of? Um? Have you ever heard of? That's what we're talking about. We said, Hey, Alex, it's gonna if Tim's Tim's been under a lot of stress lately and sometimes when we got on the podcast, it seems like his brain is a little all over the place. And Alex, we told Alex, Hey, if you noticed tim being weird, you know, and I think you're going, okay, let me try to read this, because you're trying to pronounce this. I'm trying to pronounce this. Uh, very night. Oosten dish Campagni. They called the VSC. It's way easier to say that a person or a place or a spice. It's none of that. Uh, it's we call it, we Americans. We call it the Dutch east India Company. Okay, that yes, okay, cool, Um, long story short, Um, a little intro on the Dutch east India Company, or we'll call it voc I think vsc sounds way cooler than that Um, and that's easier to pronounce than the other one. Um It is. Most people would agree, Um, that it's the biggest company that's ever existed in the history of the world. They kindly exist. No, they don't, they they're gone. Um. Uh. They shipped spices so that they have nutmeg over the door. They sold the MEG but they didn't make the door, so they the estimates. Estimates are a little sketch and we can get to that in a little bit. But the estimate, the most well like agreed upon estimate of the value at its peak was seven point nine trillion dollars, like in today's value, adjusted for inflation, which would make it more which would make it more valuable than apple, Amazon, Um and Tesla combined. Uh. And the only two nations that would have a GDP higher than the value of this company would be the U S and China. Every other nation of the world would be worth less than Huh, this company, than this company. They were an Incredi is the Dutch east India. East India, that's what we call it. That's not their name. Their name was that very knees thing that I couldn't say. Did you search this because you listen to the rebuilders podcast? No, did they talk about that in there? Yeah, Mark Uh touches on this, maybe because it honestly came up as a recordation, a video about it came up as a recommendation on Youtube. So maybe they heard it and I don't know if they heard it, but it was it in the podcast or was it in one of his I think it may have been in his reappearing church book that he wrote about how he goes to a spice shop? Oh, yes, I do remember that actually, and I think he mentioned I do remember that this. Yeah, but I don't know about it. Their influence is massive because, honestly, when did they exist? They don't exist anymore. Six three, okay, Um, a Vampi time, a pretty Vampi time to be a lie. I just imagine. Yeah, I imagine like you know, vampire season, and that's whenever vampire things or since vampire season. That's what it sounds like. So they were established in sixty're established in sixteen. So the Dutch east India Company, company equals is the same as V O C v Oct way of saying if you abbreviate Dutch East company, you get us. Sure, sure, sure, I understand now. Um, and they were pretty revolutionary because they uh in sixteen three. A lot of what they did laid the foundation for modern business, but also a lot of what they did laid the fund foundation for literally everything that happened in the planet for the next four years. Um, did they do? Two Days Shipping, was that? Was that? Two Years Shipping, which was pretty crazy. At they're like, you mean I can order, I can go something, get this before I die, like Amazon. Preaching radical. What a radical thing, right, because people only live to be I don't know. So, yeah, I mean people would. It's you know, what I think about a lot is the number of people who have existed and how many of those people lived knowing that whatever they were working on was not going to be completed in their lifetime. Yeah, I wonder if. I wonder if that makes you ten here. Well, I was gonna say, and I can't think of anybody now who would be willing to put their life towards something that wasn't going to come to fruition in a lifetime. Yeah, I think maybe, yeah, maybe. Yeah, I think there could be some people. I mean we're doing it because we know that no one's gonna listen to this podcast until long time. Yeah, what if? What if that happens? What if we die and then, like twenty years from now in South America, South Africa, South Africa, people are like it just blow up here are this podcast? Yeah, yeah, anyway, it could happen. I so they laid the foundation for businesses. Yeah, yeah, Yah, yeah, so a lot of what they did was what they took money for goods. Like, how do they what do you mean? They laid the foundation for business. Okay, so this is an interesting point in world history because up until, uh, up until the east India company was established a little bit before the U, until the Dutch happened, Thee. Yeah, I was like say that different. What are you talking about? UH, up until the Dutch happened, the world relied on mercantile is Um Um, and so what that was was sickly hoarding Um. And so it was your nation or kingdom or group or whatever was like hey, we're gonna do all this stuff to get a lot of resources and hold it for ourselves so that way all of us don't die. Um Our nation exists and so, yeah, the whole thing was about growing your piece of the Pie. Was the mentality with the Dutch, they which it sounds like a decent mentality, because what they what they would say, is they would always be like, we can, we have to make sure that we don't export more than we have, and we don't. We don't ship out more than is a to the point where people in our nation couldn't eat or people in our nation didn't have their nutmeg or whatever. Um, but, which sounds smart. That sounds like something you would hear from Um. But what the Dutch said, as they said, hey, instead of trying to make our piece of the pie bigger, what if we just made the pie bigger? Um, okay, so we had, we still had the same percentage size of a pie, but the pie was just significantly larger. And so what was happening in that era was trying to get more. What if it is trying to get more? You know what if, and hear me out, instead of more, we tried more, and someone in that meeting was like, okay, I mean, I don't care what we do. I'm dying tomorrow. I'm not gonna see literally don't care. I canna care less. During this time, the spice trade was a big deal, which is hard for us to imagine because spices this was like a dollar nine Um. But at a point in time this big of a container of Nutmeg. Yes, so that's what they were talking about, or mark was writing about in his book. was cinnamon used to be a like a delicacy from Sri Lanka and you could only get it there exactly, and so it was traded around the world and treated with a Oh, this is only available in one place, so it has value, and now you can get it from the store right and growing and it's growing year round. I think of it like Nashville hot chicken. Hear me out, hear me out. Yeah, bring this, because everywhere has Nashville hot chicken. Now you can get a Nashville hot chicken Sandwich in Dallas, you get a Nashville hot chicken sandwich in L A. It's true, you know, it's no longer I have to go to Nashville to get that thing. Back in when we discovered zaxbies and they had the Nashville hot recipe, that was amazing. Blew our minds. But Missouri didn't have zaxbies so for us we had to go to the south to get it. It was a special thing. Yeah, it's like when it's like back in the day when Um uh, chick fil a was just spreading and then they would hit a new like state and they would have lines around the building like ten times for days. Um. Yeah, that's an interesting point. Yeah, it's why. It's why it's kind of wet. Spread too far. You think that's why they're not doing it. Well, I've read an article that there's a part of that where it's like they're trying to become like the vacation spots, like the first place you go after you get off. But they also on the other side of it is farms. They don't have enough distribution and so they can't get the fresh food to the locations on the east. The broms has a mega farm. No, you should look at under setting you that actually, I was just gonna let you you tell me about it. This is it's the shell. Okay, so it's Broms and they have a farm and it's mega farm. It's the farmer went out, the broms farmer went out and said, Hey, guys, we've got a lot, but what if we did more. Here's here's I think. Okay, got it. anyways, that people know what Broms is. Oh, I had no idea what bronze was until I came to Springfield and and it was very odd. It was a very strange experience to me walking into a bronx because I was under the impression that was an ice cream shop. Is a cream shop? Yeah, and then I got in there and it was yeah, it was a grocery store first of all, and then also there was, yeah, a giant line in all this food. It felt like a like the food court at Um at a NICKEA. Yeah, so they have an updated there in the interior since so it's it's really old. But like so, you you you've been to a bronze. Yeah, we got so, if you don't know what bronze is, if you're you know, uh, you know, foreign from, you know, form, not a midwesterner like us, bronzes is a you know, Burger, crinkle cut, French fry is ice cream thing. But they've also got the small little grocery store inside like they've got. When I say small, I mean like a gas station sized, you know, a couple of it's like a gas station in like a rural gas station where they it's like the only store, right. But the reason they do that is because they make all their own produce and they make their own uh ice cream and they make their own dairy. So they've got you know, because they have their own mega farm where they grow their own vegetables and they raise their own beef and do all that stuff. Mega farm is my new user name, Brams megafarm. On what I didn't think I need to make a user Um. Did you know that I have Paul Redd the actor at Gmail Dot Com? Okay, track. That's really funny. When I wanted, I wanted to be able to help people, you know. Yeah, I know, send me an email. My emails Paul Rudd, the actor at Gmail Dot Com. I need, I need you to meet Paul Rudd and for some reason I wish you were together. The actor at Gmail Dot Com. I think, I think, I think I set that up. We're very off track, but I think I set that up because one time I saw a twitter threat about a person figuring out that most famous people's emails is just a variation of first last name, last name, first name at Gmail, and it was like I got in touch with too many famous people doing this and I was like, I want to make sure you never get in touch with Paul Rudd, and so I went trying to get Paul Rudd at Gmail, but say can but he can't get Paul read the actor. That's fine, so let's change our usual names in the discord today, which this episode won't come out the discord for four weeks. So our patrons will have no idea. They'll be like, okay, but you're you're broms and I'm Paul the actor. Oh Man, man, that's gonna hit really hard. Whenever they get it, it's gonna be good. Okay. So, anyway, spices were a big deal. So at that time spices were being traded from far distances away. So they did have value because in our current world, natural hut chicken. Yeah, it's a great analogy. It's a great analogy. Was a really great analogy because it was spices were super rare because most of them were grown in their own geographic location. So nutmeg, the reason why I brought nutmeg is because it was the most valuable spice in the era. Um this size little jar of Nutmeg, which I think is like hold on, let me see, it's got this. This is one ounce of Nutmeg. Um. This would have been worth a bar of gold, like the same as a bar of gold today, and so you should shoot me if I walked in with Um. There's a lot of reasons. Um. One, it was super rare, and so an intense things. Rare the marker of your richness. Um. And so someone comes in your house, it's like having that APP on your phone that says I'm rich and you bought it for would you like to see my nutmeg? Then on the shelf of there it's my spice rack. Oh, McCormick, they just they just did a new nutmeg drop. I'm going to try to get some tonight. You know what's gross is every pastor's House I've gone to they got a whole shelf of spices, you know, and I go, did you buy that? A retail price or resale price? Huh, because right now it's reselling for a bar of gold. Preachers peppers, preachers peppers. I was gonna preachers and spices, but okay, speaker spice. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot, and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or if you're watching on youtube, leave a comment. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets, who were separated at birth, unbeknownst to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So, uh, there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in an episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one. Okay, so there's a few. Obviously the rarity was a thing, but there was also, uh, in that era, food was relatively bland and spices spiced it up a bit. Yeah, and so it made things taste better. Also, they were used in embalming. Yeah, I was I was thinking more like medical yeah, there was a lot of people who thought they had a lot of medicinal value. And then, on top of the embalming stuff and the medicinal stuff, there was also this uh, big phenomena of Uh uh. They used it for a romance, like to make the rooms smell better. So the same thing we joked about. They would literally just like wrap sticks in it and light I'm on fire, that it's incense sticks. And so there's a lot of different uses for the spy and people would like put them on their face so they'd smell better, like so they did a lot of things with the spice. Subject is wearing nutmeg, subjects smells like Paprika, smells like Italian seasoning, lemon pepper, special occation. So there's a lot of a lot of uses, I guess. Sure. And so the Silk Road opened up. Um, okay, there's a road made in times. sest road, terrible traction. Yeah, but here's the thing, because the traction was so bad, it took forever, especially for yours, because it was going from Southeast Asia into Africa and to where you're you're showing with your body here. Yeah, from Southeast Asia into Africa and then up into Europe. Um, and it took a long time because at that time there was no railroad, there's no ice road truckers, there was just walkers. You walked or you got on a camel or a donkey or a horse or something. Um. And so shipping spice on land was very inefficient. Uh. And somewhere along the line someone was like, Hey, what if we just sailed around Africa? And so they started doing that and that was a revolution in the spice trade because now so much more spices could get loaded onto a ship. Then could get loaded onto the back of your donkey. Uh, and so they were able to to ship that around. Uh, and this became kind of a a transformative era in the spice trade because now it was a booming season for business, because now all these people they could go get the spices easy, getting quicker and moving. It would go from, m HM, Southeast Asia. Well, they would take about from Europe, most often from Europe around the Horn of Africa and then into Southeast Asia, wherever they were getting the spice, from whatever nation that was, and then they would load it up, take the trip around and, coincidentally, what's interesting was the discovered there was this curtain, not curtain current current that was like just a big circular current and Pacific. And so they struggled a lot at the beginning because they were going against that current. But when they realized they could loop around and take that. They were able to kind of be more efficient and get through that trip a lot faster after they discovered that. And what's coincidental about that is that because they took that loop, they came very close to South America often and nobody discovered it from Europe for a while. But I mean, like, what do you mean? No one discovered it? Like they were just like they were rolling by it and they're like what do you guys think that is? And I don't know, maybe easia or something, I don't know, and they're like we gotta keep going North to Europe. Oh, no, one, no one on the boat discovered South America. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I thought you were saying no one in South America discovered the boat and I was like South America, like yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, who do you think? He's out there just like coffee in the morning. What is that? They've never seen the ship like that before. They Debbie, get out here, there's a boat. You're not gonna believe this. It's like a buildings again. That was their ufos. They had like this unidentified floating objects. What is that? It's like at their little pyramids in the Maya and and then this guy's like I swear I saw him float by again a boat. It was floating big. I don't even know what white dudes over there. What's name? I mean the only name I could think of our white six names. Okay, that I don't know any Mayan names, because these would have been mayans and I don't I don't know a modern Mayan name. No, ID, think of it. I feel zero by a names. Go move on. So they were. They could have discovered South America, but they didn't. Um, they were busy. They're a busy ship in Spice Uh. And this was an interesting moment because it was very, very risky to take this trip. It was a long trip, halfway around the world on a boat. That was how long did it take? You know, I don't know, probably half of everyone's life, a whole three and a half years. I don't know what to how long did the trip around the Horn of Africa taken? Yeah, put Google, see what Google puts out for that. Um, was it just giving you Google flight options? It's like a three year round trip. Oh Wow, yeah, so, yeah, a long time. And they were very risky because obviously they didn't have the weather act, because you leave when you're you know, your wife is raising children and then you you know she's raising your baby toddler, and then you leave and you come back and that baby is graduating high school, you know, moving out to a family of its own, baby like six years old. Yeah, people died, Dude. They had to get it all, they had to get yeah, they were living on too short yeah, this is when people were living a two x speed. Uh, and so it was a long trip and because there was just so many unknuns like you, didn't know how much food to pack, like you, sure gets sick on the ship. You could encounter a storm and it could sink. You could hit something and sink, you could hit pirates and sink. It was just you get sad and metaphorically, there's just a lot of risk on these trips. And so the Dutch, this is when the Dutch they duged everything up. Okay, so that trip wasn't what changed the thing. Well, I mean it was a big impact the trip around the Horn of after but when you say that the Dutch east India company changed how we do the finantion for that trip wasn't the thing. That trip wasn't the thing. Okay, what the change was was the Dutch. They said, Hey, what if, instead of having the people who own these ships have to swallow all this risk and go and try to do pull this thing off, what if, instead of it being all about them, what if we make it all about us, or at least a little about us? And so what they did is they they assembled really the first UH stock market. And so what you could do for the first seven history, Um, you could come together and a bunch of people could buy a share in this voyage. They didn't have to actually go on the voyage, they just financed the voyage. And so then, instead of one person swallowing the whole financial risk, where if your boat sinks you're screwed and you're never you're never financially recovering from this Um, instead a bunch of people could buy pieces of the Pie and then get a piece of that return and be able to then do it again. Hey're gonna be behind the scene. Access on our boat. Hey, what's up, guys the ship? We don't know what that land over there is, but there's a guy over there. Every time we drive by he freaks out we call him Daniel. I don't think that's the name that they've never responded. Yeah, we don't know any Mayan names, so we went with Daniel. Uh. So they sold the shares. It was the first stock market. And, okay, historians to two phrases came from this. Historians belief. We don't know for sure. There's no record of this, but two historians, two phrases. One did by the DIP shares, shares, because that you're taking, you're taking a share of the voyage. And then they believe stock market came from this. This one's a little harder to pinpoint, but because the phrase used at the time for the frame of the ships was the stock, and so they think that that's where the phrase stock market came from, because you're buying stock anyways. Um. And so this is the first time that's ever happened and it became a massive boom for the Dutch. Um. All of a sudden, so many boats were going into the ocean and come back full of Nutmeg and cinnamon and all the other spices and sugar and spice and everything, Um, except for it was a lot of not nice uh, and we'll get to that. Um In sixteen three UH, The v O C was formed, and this is where really, honestly, capitalism began. Um, because a group of these people who had for years, like their family has, been investing in these voyages said, hey, what if, instead of US investing in the voyages and then those people investing in the voyages and those people, what if we just what if we just got together and we were just the voyages? And so they came together there and it was a group of a bunch of the people who were buying shares in these trips. So they were just monopolizing while they established a corporation for the first time. And so this was a bunch of financial moguls who were very successful from all these voyages, from financing these small voyages, and they went on a shopping spree. They bought every ship that went on these voyages. Not only did they buy every ship, there's pricing other people out, basically, Um, so other people couldn't buy shares. Yes, but it was kind of it wasn't necessarily they were pricing everyone out because, yeah, nobody else was. They going to be able to buy shares after this. But this was kind of like the vast majority of the people who were doing this in general. Corporate became a corporation. So they all came together and did this together because they were just like, we could do a lot more, and if, instead of just buying shares in single voyages, what if we bought shares in the entire nutmeg industry or the entire spice industry? And so they went on the shopping spree and what they did is they bought every ship that did these trips. Um, they bought every port that these ships went into. So, as a corporation, they bought the port. Yeah, they bought all, not just they bought all the ports, like, if you think think of ports, they had them all. And then they bought all the land where the farms were, where this stuff grew. And they bought the Dutch military. And it's not anymore. Is your military for sale' Hi, that your military was for sale. Six trillion O bo. So I brought my here's my oboe. I'll take your military. Uh So what? What they set up with the Dutch government was basically, we'll do this, hey, we'll make everybody in the Netherlands very rich. We'll make everyone in Dutch Ya very rich. Um, and they said, you can tax us a lot. We'll we'll need some protection to do this. And so they sent ten warships with the east India County, Um, and these warships just traveled with them. And the terms of the agreement was, Um, you're gonna have a board of directors in the Netherlands and they're gonna make all your decisions for you. Well, what they found out really quickly was when you're in India and it's sixteen o seven, it's kind of hard for the board of directors to make a decision. And so the people in the UH, east India company were just like, we're just gonna make the call and see what and then we'll just ask for forgiveness if we need to. And Uh, they needed to. Yeah, they needed a lot of forgiveness. Things got very messy. Um, the dusk got really rich, the people in the VOC got really rich, and this is what led to them being the biggest company ever. And they create a lot of systems and processes that are mimicked to this day. Like businesses will look to what the VC did and mimic them, because they really they did a great chance. I Open books, it says, do you have a quick video of the VOC do you want to kick video? And then it's a guy on a ship and he's like kicking through. Hello, hello, he's like speaking into a shell. Hello, hello, hello. Is Ever in there? I saw it's pretty wild. Um, yeah, who knew? Quick books sent Daniel back in time, but they sent in the wrong land and so he's out there just watching the bus, like so I'm supposed to find you guys. He's got a three piece suit. I'm just a camera. I want to see this camera. What's a camera? Well, you got sent back in time. So he's got the camera. He's going to film them. He's like, do you guys have the charger? Okay, so what troubles this lead to? If everyone's rich, why are they mad? H So you know that thing people say about capitalism and how it's like like it, it leads to people sketchy stuff. Yeah, yeah, unfettered capitalism leads to just greed run rampant. Yeah, so that's what we got here. Um, someone so to where? There is a page on wikipedia called massacres committed by the Dutch east India Company, and it's a whole page. They got. It's their own page. It's not even a subsection in their wikipedia page. Is a new page. Um. Well, so here's what they did. Um. So they went to Um, this place called U Banda, UH and. It was this chain of islands in uh like where modern day like Jakarta is, so Indonesia, Malaysia area. Um, and this was where nutmeg grew. It was the only place in the world where nutmeg grew. And they really, really wanted to nut make and they wanted to sell a lot of it. And so they came there and they made a deal with the locals. There's as a tribe of about fifteen thousand people that lived on this island. Um, and tribe is probably a misleading word there, because it makes you think that they're like yeah, but what? They were very, very rich because they were exporting this nutmeg world. Yeah, Um. And so this was a very vague health the cards there and they were incredibly wealthy. H and so when the Syndia company showed up, they wanted to buy everything and they were like no, no, we don't like that deal that much, you know, because you know, we're rich now. If you bought it from us, we wouldn't be rich, would be less rich. And so they negotiated for a while. Eventually they came to a term um where east India company was just cure them. So the terms, there was an agreement that was set in place where the east Indian company got to set up a military base on their island, which is strange because they're a company, not a military, military group, but they got to set this military baseboks got a military group in my backyard, though I love them. I was like, yeah, I like you guys. Could you imagine? A lot of people don't like you, but I like you guys. Yeah, you guys. Can you guys can set in my backyard. Can you imagine like a dystopian world where all the big corporations are setting up military bases all over? They have to imagine that they're literally doing it, literally already happening. That's terrifying. Um. Soh Uh. And the idea was, hey, we're gonna be here and we're gonna set up a military base, protect you a little bit, and then we'll buy all of the spices you make. We'll buy all of them every time you make them at the s and then we'll ship them out. Cool, good deal, great Um. And then they they started building the stuff and they built a little bigger than was agreed upon. And then the locals came and they were like hey, you guys are this is not what we agreed upon, like, you're doing way more than we said you're gonna do, and they're like Oh, sorry, this is what we're doing now. Yes, sorry. So the locals killed a hundred of them, um, and they were like this isn't cool to kill a hundred people just because they didn't like the building. Well, because they were like, Hey, this is what we agreed and then the other people were like, yeah, it's that what we're going on, but it's what we're doing. And then they're like, okay, we're gonna kill you. Um, like that giant diamond store that's downtown. You know I'm talking about North Kansas City, the big old giant diamond store that just doesn't it's so out of place I have no idea what it made me so angry. I marched down there to the construction guys and I said, Hey, this is what we agreed upon. Who You are? And I said put that hard hat down and I'll show you. You know, that was a good line. First of all, I was a good line just on the spot. That was a good one. I hope your teams were in your hard hats. They're gonna need them. See what this building is made of. What are you? You know, like, what are you doing? I'm getting ready to fight. All right. So, so, so, they the first attacked them first, and the guy who was kind of directing the operation there was like to the board, and so he, uh, he called in one of the warships and uh, they killed four thou people and they took the other thousands of slaves, and then they were like this is our island now, and that was the first time that they've done something like that. Yeah, and they were just like yeah, we're just going and then the guy who did that was like this worked pretty well for us, and so then they just kind of kept and they were like yeah, that was that was an easier solution than negotiate. It was way easier than trying to deal with the muddy waters at that. And they're like, we have these warships, so let's just do that. And so they just started going to places and just killing people, like killing all the locals, taking all the farms and then just repurposing them for theirs. and growing the stuff themselves and then shipping it and so then, instead of having to buy the spice, they got themselves and they got it and they sold it in. So then they made even more money than they were making before. They was operating as a tiny country. Yeah, it really was like they blurred the line between a government and a company, just like the companies today, Um, the government today. But so they blew up. They became incredibly successful, Um, by doing all of the killing. So what year was that? That first one? Hold on, let me check and check, because they start this stuff in six three. They started buying all the ports, buying all the boats, doing all this stuff. Did you say in sixteen? O Seven? No, no, no, no, that was just a random number from a random example. I think it was sixteen. Okay. So, I mean they made it almost twenty years without mass murder. So that's a good run. Good run, good, good, clean run for about seventeen years and then it got pretty musy really fast. Um. Yeah, and there was I mean these and they're significant. I mean there's a couple in here that are like a few dozen people, which is really bad, um, but there's a lot that are like pushing ten thousand or over ten thousand, and it's just absurd. Um. And the people that they didn't kill they took as slaves to work on their farms and stuff. And so here's where their influence kind of carried it forward, Um, in history, because they laid the foundation for business. But and they set up a lot of systems and processes that are followed today. But the thing that they set up is that it's the profit over everything, because we have to get that profit out to everyone who holds a share. And so it doesn't matter the morals that get you there. And so and we still see that today. And so it's it's a it's a our entire modern business system is built upon a group of the foundation of a group that would just kill thousands of people to make more money, Um, and so it makes a lot of sense how we got where we are today. Yeah, Um, speaking like I'm speaking in bad business. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of perks like add free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking us out. So it wasn't it wasn't just the capitalism thing, like the foundation of capitalism. It was also obviously the foundation of corporations and the stock market and the shares and all the systems and the processes that they have, but it was also kind of there was a a hint of this. This really brought in a globalized world in a whole new way because before this, because they're doing dealings based in one nation and doing dealings across the whole world and the rest of the end, colonialism existed before this. It always existed, but in this era everybody else saw the V oc gets super rich and they were like can we do that? Uh, and so all the rich nations started just taking over other nations and being like you're us now, enterprise, yeah, and whatever you've got is us and we're gonna make a lot of money off of you now, Um, and so it kind of it blew up weddings. You're one of us now, but you're like, you're one of us now and I'm gonna make a lot of money of you. In First Corinthians, third time. That is so that funny. It's the drop of the first Corinthian. Yeah, I'm good at this. So, Jez, we lost him. Okay. So, uh, capitalism. We've got capitalism, we've got globalization, we've got corporations, we got colonialism, imperialism. Also slavery. Slavery always existed, but this is where like, oh, this isn't just like a you take them slaves because you beat them in war, or you take them because they owe you something. This is just like, oh, like, we could get really rich off other people if we didn't pay them. Yeah. So it opened up this this new age of slavery, if you will, where people, where these powerful people, learned that they could become significantly more powerful by subjuctating people, Um, and so the impact of the VSC was felt there. Another very interesting and significant thing that, Um, I could have significantly altered history was this, uh, this area of of U Banda, where they got the not made from. They were obsessed with this chain of islands that belonged to these people. Um. There was one other island in this chain that they did not have and that was owned by the English. Um. Oh, they wanted it so bad, like so the the VLC, wanted that island so bad. Um. And so in UH sixteen sixty eight, sixteen sixty eight, Um, they came to the English and they said, Hey, give us your island and will give you one of our islands. It wasn't really their island, but you know the like give us your island, will give you one of our islands. And they're like what island are we talking about? And they're like, we got this island where we've got our town of New Amsterdam. You can have that island if we can have this island and this chain, so we can have all the nutmegs. Um, okay, uh. And it took a long time, but finally they got through the deal and the English sold that island of Bretta, is what it's called to the Dutch. The Dutch got their full set of the blues to the start building hotels, and then the English got the island of New Amsterdam and they renamed it New York. Okay, I think that this potentially was a drastic change in history because now all of a sudden you've got the colonies are are under this British control, where they could have been under Dutch control. And what could have happened? WHO's to say how that could that story could have played out. The the that chain of islands that the Dutch had, uh was under Dutch leadership until, I want to say it was about fifty sixty years ago, Um, and so theoretically the United States could have been under Dutch control until way more recently. And who knows. Who knows how history could have played out if that happened. But a lot of a lot of people do think that the check out, my new balances. A lot of people think that the stock mark, the swimming Click Clack, click clack, the stock exchange and stuff was a thing that was established in new Amsterdam by the Dutch, and so New York being this major financial hub interesting because of the Dutch influence while they were there. And then they sold the island to get more nutmeg, which didn't work out because eventually everyone's ever let me see you. Um, who do we kill for this? So they so what happened was hunt Vali, Maryland. Okay, so, not too far from the island that they sold. Do you think we could take them? Depends how old they are. In Hunt, Maryland, two podcasters arrested for attempting to take over the town, claiming that the source of Nutmeg was essential to the growth of their empire. More at six. We need more nutmeg. Um, so I got to get covered in the NUTMEG. I need it. So what ended up happening to the VOC is? It was in control of the about to blow. That smells very good. It is. Yeah, I don't know a single recipe that calls for Nutmeg. And why do you have it? Did you buy it for this? No, we had it, but it wasn't open. Like I had to take the seal off at home so I could blow it on you here. Okay, we've had it and we've never used it. I don't know why we have it anyways. So what happened to the VSC was quite a few things that are very similar to a lot of businesses today. Um, one every other nation in the world was like, Hey, we have an east India company now too. Um, we can do that. Uh. And so they copied them and they had more competition. Um. Also, uh, there was this uh dip in prices. That happened because they were able to increase the supply and so then being able to ye, then being able to make more money made them so they made less money. Sure, they increased the supply so much it hurt them. There was some changes in the government. The Dutch were like, Hey, we don't really like you taking our warships around and just killing a bunch of people anymore. What if we just stopped? And so they called back the warships and they lost a lot of power, Um, and that also lost a lot of security. And they showed up and they were like, we're gonna take your land. Yeah, you in one army. That's where that phrase came from. Very influential. Uh. And then there was also uh, this dividend drains. So they had set up this this share system where people got these dividends, but they didn't set them up to where they scaled properly with the economy, and so when the east India company started making less money, they these dividends were draining a significant amount of their funds because they didn't set it up to scale properly. Um, if things dipped and they and and it hurt them. But their Achilles hell what ended up destroying the company, Um was, uh, they had a massive amount of employees that they paid very poorly and treated very poorly. Um, and eventually they rose up and they just started breaking stuff. Um. And eventually and they couldn't, they couldn't recover. And so the same as yeah, they broke enough of their ships and their boats and their farms and their reports and Um, it was too much for them to financially recover from. Just like Tiger King Year. was that, Um, they fall apart. It was. It sounds like they had a great run. Seeah, yeah, four years. Yeah, about two hundred years of Um, about two hundred years, and twenty of those were a very successful, great company. About eighty of them, well, probably about a hundred of them, were a terrifying company and then the governments were like Whoa, and then they were a company that was clawing for his life for a hunt eighty years, you know. So just like Pepsi Da. I was gonna say it's the story of subway and into it. So yeah, man, that's the Dutch east India Company. Here's something that most people don't know about. It to another impact that they had Um, when they were struggling, uh, things, things shifted down for them and they had learned Um from to Lipmania, because this is the same place the Dutch did to it mania, and so they learned from twomania. They okay, Hey, we need to diversify. We can't just um put all our money into webs. We can't just put all our money in spices. Oh, also, that was another thing. Spices became more available a bunch of other places were like, we can grow spices here, we have the same climate, and so they started growing up there too, and so exactly more popular. Nashville hot chicken. Yeah, and then they got less cool, like they went out of style. People were like, I'm not in Press Barry. Spices like breakout rooms. It's fair analogy. See the VSC like bowling alleys. This studio is a breakout room. We've been trying to break out. That's what the whole show we can't we think that this until you support our patrear. You listening? Yeah, and you might be thinking that's got to be for someone else. It's not. It's for you. It's for you. We're draft here and we need you to get the key to get only listener. Speaking of companies that are doing crazy things for profits, we got a new way that people can support us. Actually meeting of companies that do terrible things for profits. We have a new way that people can say what terrible there we do O for profit. 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The Bronze Age Collapse – The Apocalypse That Actually Happened

08-09-22

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Hey Man, hey man, have you ever heard of the late Bronze Age collapse? The what? The late Bronze Age collapse? Yeah, Bronze Age collapse. Yeah, yeah, when he was alive, it's a really great time. But the late Bronze Age collapse. Um, what a good fellow. You're just saying. There's a dude named Bronze Age class and he's died. He's late. Yeah, the late Bronze Age collapse. I mean, okay, I see where you're going with that. Sure, no, that's wrong. Um, all right, I don't know. Some of these jokes are good and some of them are just real, real bad. Should we do a smart so you're saying there are people who living on the ocean and the water just slowly went down and all of a sudden their heads was out of the water. I'll give you a hundred hollars cash right now if you can tell you what it's staying for. You and I could single handedly win the civil war if we went back in time with current weapons. Things I learned last night. It's the late Bronze Age collapse. Here's the thing about this. Let's speaking of here's the thing. Here's the thing. Hold on I need to pull up a review. Oh, extermine, that podcast review. That was like, I'll support on patreon. Tim Limits, here's the thing to three times. So you already said it twice, so I swear, don't say it again. Don't don't even read it. That'll count. Here's the thing. I'm not gonna stop saying. Here's the thing. Now that person to support US patreon. I gotta be honest, the fact that you bought it up has made me want to say in very more so. Anyways, UM, Kelsey, here's the start over. I don't care about this person. Here's the thing goes. I personally became a patron in your place, so that way I can continue to say here's the thing, and now I'm saying paying the five dollars, paying the five dollars, you have the freedom as that want. anyways. Uh So, yeah, the late Bronze Age collapse. Uh, all right, so this is uh a long time ago. There was a thing called the bronze age. H and so it was period in history that was pretty strange because it was pretty successful. UMP with bronze. Everything was bronze. Not really really okay. I mean they made a lot of like weapons, and stuff out of bronze. I think I don't know a lot about the bronze age. I just know about it falling apart. But, like, what I do know is there was this region in the Mediterranean Sea, like around the not in the Medran, around the Mediterranean, where there was a bunch of these nations that were, Um, just ridiculously successful nations, Um, who were very advanced, especially compared to, uh, the world following the collapse Um. So, for example, uh, there was Egypt. Egypt was a part of there. They had airplanes. Then, no, but Egypt, they these all these nations they had. Are you? Are you? Do you subscribe to the theory that Egypt was more technologically advanced than we are? I don't know if I would say I subscribe. I say I see a possible world, but I don't think I see enough to believe it. But I could see it. What I what I would say I could see? What I think is more likely is that it was something before Egypt that was more technologically advanced and they just they're kind of the remnant that like their quote unquote, stages, had like passed down knowledge to be able to do some stuff that everyone else in the world couldn't do because the people before them were smarter than them. But they all died in the ice age or the flood or something, I don't know. Okay, so we're talking about that. What? What time period were talking about? So this is a twelve hundred, between twelve hundred and eleven. It's a pretty narrow window there. Yeah, they know exactly when this happened. Um, so the Bronze Age was from three thousand BC E T B C E. UH, and I'll give you a hundred hours cash right now if you can tell you what it stands for before common era. Yes, what do you think it means? Before Christ, incarnate? Not even how you spelling cards. They didn't know back then. They hadn't come up with the letter I yet. What was? What was? Isn't it? Before Christ and after death? Is What people kept saying it was. That's what they said it was. That was that wasn't right then. You know. I mean before Christ, yes, but after death is not correct either. What is afterd what is what is after death? Do you know? Where are you going? Are you worried about what's after death? Better help DOC. So, so there there was the Egyptians. Yeah, the Assyrians, the hittights, the Macedonians, which were increased. I should probably say whether these people are they the Egypts were in Egypt, the tights were in hit tight. The Syrians were in serious no, okay, so the hit tights were in an area called Anatolia, which is just Turkey. Um, the Assyrians were next to that, like to the right of that, and the Macedonians were in Greece. There Cyprus, which was on the island of Cyprus. Uh. Then there was the Levant, which is like a collection of smaller states. Yeah, that's so cool. That sounds like a really hit bar. Sounds it does. Welcome to the Levant. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a cocktail bar. Yeah, it does. Um. And that was like a collection of a bunch of smaller, uh, like cities and states in the Mesopotamian era. Um. And then there was Egypt, Um, and then a couple of smaller other players, but those are, you know, Egypt famous for their big bass pros. Okay, uh so they each of these nations was honestly pretty this this whole civilization here was very advanced, especially for the air of time that they ran. They all had writing they all had arts and crafts. They all had um, decent like infrastructure, so like rhads, Um, some rudimentary, like water works, Um, and then they had decent architecture, Um, and they had some they were technological advanced in terms of like warfare. Well, the arbitrator was left over from a previous yeah, society. It was the Tartarians. Short, they had they were technolog that they were pretty technologically advanced compared to everything else. Honestly, up until the classical era, historians would say this was the best era of humanistry to live in, the classic because it was so advanced and there was so much Um, quote unquote, luxury and a decent level of people. What do you think they would say that the current best time to live in is what? The Future? Here and now? The Future Future? Yeah, right now it's kind of bad. We're pretty far away. We don't go back to you know, it's like it's like when you break up with a girl for a little while but you still want to get together in the future, but like right now is on the right time, you know, and it's like I'm immature and she's dumb, you know, and so you're like you're like ships in the night. Yeah, it's like the timing wasn't right. UH So. But then she starts dating some other dude right, like going on like now, like like not like like a real relationship, not like like a good like you know it's not gonna work out, but it's just like they're you know, and they go out and they go get ice cream together and you're just at home play an Xbox in your garage, you know, and you're like, AH, man, I really wish that that I didn't mess that up. You know, you just yearn for what you had, you know. And UH, like living in a limbo, is what I'm saying. They're kind of like a well, historians would say we're living in limbo. We're living in limbo where. They're like, we don't want, like we're too far past where that would be a good life. Yeah, but we're not yet to the good life. Yeah, yeah, we're in the in between. And they were not. They were in a great time to be alive. For what? For when they were uh, and one of the most significant things about the society is it was a globalized society. Um, and I put that in quotes because they didn't understand how the world was yet, but they were connected with the other countries around them. Yeah, and they they had trade networks and they relied upon each other. Um. So, for example, UH, the La Vant, all the nations in there. They had a lot of food, with really fertile land, and so they could eat a lot, but they didn't have access to a lot of bronze or really many other materials in general. And so they trade. They traded all their food for UM materials. Uh. Trades been around forever, but in this era what was significant is it was a very early era of time where people literally relied on every other nation to supply the needs. And it was. It was a trade network just like we have today, where, Um, all your stuff comes from somewhere else. Uh. And so that that was the world that they lived in in that era. What's peculiar is in d between twelve hundred and eleven, fifty BC, Fifty Years Um, a single generation, uh, the entire thing collapsed. It just fell apart. Um. And Uh the only nations to make it out of it were Egypt and Assyria, Um, and a couple of smaller cities, but they it was different. Um, we didn't make it out of them what does that mean? Like they all fell up, like they literally just aren't nations and they got wiped from the face of the earth. Um and so, eachy Syria. Uh, we'll find out. EACHYPT in Assyria. Uh. What do you look at me like that for? WHO WIPED HIM OUT? Tim Okay, so, so Egypt at the SERIO. They survived, but they were like fractured, you know, like they barely made it out of their live everybody else. We lost our Israel lines. Where did they go? Uh? Here's what's crazy. Nobody knows exactly what happened. Uh. There's a lot of theories. Window. How long had they been living in good like good trade systems and all this stuff? About eight years. So this was a very long periods um of relative peace. There were wars and stuff like that, but it wasn't there was nothing crazy, and then within fifty years it all just falls apart at all collapses. The pavailing theory for the longest time was the sea people's. Have you heard of him? What the Sea People's? So this is an interesting thing where a lot of texts from these different nations talk about these sea people's and that's what they call them because they didn't know. They didn't know that the world was bigger. Well, they didn't know where they were coming from. They just these people literally just rose up out of the sea. Well, they probably, I mean they voted in the probably voted in. Probably. It doesn't explicitly say that, though. It's as I came from the sea. Okay. Now, so these sea people came in, uh, and they were just destroying all these cities from these massive empires, which was very peculiar and has kind of stumped uh historians for a long time, because these societies, they were superpowers. They were these superpowers of the day and they were more technologically advanced than anything else in the world. Um, they were masters of the chariot. What existed outside of the Mediterranean, see at that point? Well, Africa, Asia. I mean, what do we have established societies in that era? There are, there, there are, but there's not like, uh, here's the deal. UH, nobody cared to research them, because this is western history and they don't care about stuff that leads to America. Um. Now, so there was there was China. China had their dynasties coming together. There was some northern European stuff in like Russia, um. And then there was all stuff throughout Europe, but they were probably just just as taking largely advanced. No, not nothing compared to the Medachranean, the medal tranean was the superpower of the world. There was all these other civilizations, Um, and they had a society that was forming. But it's nothing like this because they were so interconnected and they had these trade routes and so they were able to develop further than any of those they're gonna blame to see peoples for their falling apart. Well, yeah, so that was the idea, is that these see people's they don't know who they are or where they came from. But yeah, but something about them. They had a technological edge over all of the superpowers of the day and they managed to come in and just wipe them out. Um. And the evidence we have of this is we have a drawing shocking amount just blue people who are dripping away. We have there's a shocking amount of cities from that time period that we're destroyed in that time period and were never rebuilt. And they have sciences. They be where the see people, to see people know. There's letters, there's letters. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment. Uh, if you want to listen to another episode, my favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh. It's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff. And there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. So the first, the first and like the biggest one we get is from a town called Uger Itt, uh, creative name. Uh. And it was a letter to another king somewhere. I gotta find the note. Um, it was letter to another king, basically saying okay, here he says. Uh, he said the enemy. Oh, if they did say ships, the enemy ships came here. So yeah, most likely from the boats. Uh. They did evil things in my country, Um, doesn't they? So here's another interesting weird thing before we go on. Um, these kings in these nations called the kings and other nations their father. I don't know why, it was a weird cultural thing. So he's talking to this other king and he's calling him his father, and so then he says it does not my father know that the troops and chariots are in the are, in the land of Hattie, and all my ships are in the land of Luca? That's the country is abandoned to itself. And then my father know it the seven ships of my enemy. They came here to inflict much damage upon us. Basically just asking this other king to be like, Hey, come help us, because all my arms, my armies, on the other side of my nation and you're closer. I need you to come save this city. And by the time the letter gets to him, well, the letter never left. They found the letter in that city. So there's all these destroy cities, and so the something happened with these peoples. Some people believe they discovered iron and they started making iron weapons and the bronze couldn't hold up. Bronze wasn't good enough. It goes bronze, iron, steel, steel, yeah, adamant, adamant, saying Admiral Um, silver, gold, platinum, computers, Rune. Oh, are you looking? Skip Myth? There's what was it? What was it Attie? What is it? Uh? Anyway, yeah, I know, I know, weapons no, so I know, medieval times. Here's the thing, here, here's what doesn't make sense about this. Uh. These people, they had chariots which were like the tanks of the day. Um, and even if the sea people's managed to get iron swords, they still shouldn't have been a match for a nation that had thousands of chariots. Uh. And what we don't know. They had thousands of chariots. They could have written that even like we have thousands found like wheels and stuff, like all their chariots, stuff, their faith, their models. Well, I mean that answers it, doesn't it? And so the UH, what's phenomenal is whoever they see? People's arm they went through. They wiped out all these cities, Um, and two things didn't happen. One, the sea people didn't take over the city like most empires. That left it. They just left it. They just came and kill everybody and laughed. Very strange. And then, too, uh, there must have been no survivors, or their survivors got taken prisoners or ran or whatever, because no one rebuilt. And so these they were literally wiped out. And they were it was hundreds of cities all over the Mediterranean and all these different superpower nations just disappeared all at once, to the point that these nations literally fell and disappeared off the face of the earth. Um, and these quote unquote, see people's disappeared after this. They destroyed how many hundreds? I don't know how many cities, but there was, I think, seven or eight nations that would be considered like superpowers that all wiped got wiped out from this event, whatever this event was, um. And so the prevailing three for a long time was that they see peoples that came in, they killed everybody and they just left. Um took care of that. They got rid of you, guys, Um and so recently. But they didn't steal all the riches and stuff. Well, I mean stuff probably got stolen, UM, sure, but nobody knows, like nobody knows where I went. Like, where did they go? You would think that, if you would think, they would either take those cities or take stuff back to their cities, but we have no idea where they came from, Um, what their purpose was or where they went after all this happened. They just disappeared. So historians are looking at the sea people's and they're like, where did you come from. Where did you go? Knda, cut you off. Are you gonna try to finish this joke or there's no joke? I was I was trying to make sure I knew where we were on the episode here. Cool. Uh. So recent historians have been like, maybe this is not maybe the sea people's were not the reason for the collapse, maybe they were more of symptom of a greater problem. Um. And so they started looking at the rest of the situation in the world at the at the time. Um. And there are now about a I don't know how many. There are a handful of possibilities, of possible conclusions. It looks like there's six, uh, theories of what started this collapse, Um, and then led to almost like a domino effect of one of these pins fell and then it led to all these other things beginning to to fall apart. I understand how Domino's works. You need me, I can get so I can set them up if you want me to. We can watch them fall. It's not really great for the audio listener, but I see you got him set up, so go ahead and knock them more. That was what you did. That was a domino one. What would be your starts closer to the MIC, right. I think it would be a little bit more of like a role, like a that might have been a pretty good one. Should we do a smart so this is okay. So the sea people sometimes Tim in our office will listen to a SMR. So the people and they murdered. Everybody have you're a whisper to your echo devices. It's terrible. She whispers back, doesn't she? Yeah, the first time, but you don't realize that. I have never done that where you're like, you're you're tired, you're and you're like, you're like Echo Sena alarm. Yeah, and sugar, it sounds like you've whispered to me. Next time you whisper, whisper back and it's terrifying. It is because the lights are off. It is terrifying. It's the host back and I can never prove it to anybody because I've already done it. You. I've already set up the ECHO. Yeahs do it. If you've got an echo gleating lights on those Alexa, it's over for you. Okay. So here's some of the theories. The first one is volcanoes. Most likely, uh there was a volcano in uh somewhere Scotland called hecla uh, and it it erupted, uh, in February, twenties twenty. Just kidding, that's wrong. Um. It erupted at the beginning of wow, it erupted in February and then it off and then it's set in motion. Just the worst year actually know, February two. Uh. Still UH. It erupted in. What year is this about? Twenty years before the Bronze Age collapse. And this eruption was classified as a five and F five eruption. Um. I don't know what the scale is, but it's a five on the eruption scale and it was significant enough where it spewed enough ash and I don't know, stuff into the sky, smoke, if you into the sky, uh, worldwide, that it changed the climate for eighteen years. The temperature dropped for eighteen years. Um. It sounds like that's what we need to happen again. Guys, I did a lot of research. If we just take all the salmon and we shove it in this volcano, it's got to create enough pressure. Two D and fifty million salmon shoved down a volcano. He'll create enough pressure and also plus side when it erupts, it will click the same, but right have same for everybody. It's the fish Cano, fish canoe. That's a movie we gotta Make Right now. We you've you've seen shark Nado this fall, Fish Cano and a theater near you. Uh. So, the this eruption changes the climate worldwide, and I try to figure it out exactly what that net that eighteen years and there's a scale of it. Either changed the temperature of about by about two degrees Celsius, like dipped it by about two degrees Celsius for those eighteen years, or the average temperature was below zero for eighteen years. It's quite arranged. That seems pretty dramatic, quite arranged. So I checked Krakatoa, which Krakatoa was a similar eruption. It was just it was a six on the scale. I thought Krakatoa was a website that verified things. I thought you like. I checked Krakatoa, right, and Krakatoa says and I was like, I don't remember Krakatoa before. Krakatoa was another big eruption. Uh, just by, Ne near, just by, close to it, near Australia, and I want to say the early eight hundreds Um, and so we had better records of that. And that was peculiar because there was a period for I want to say it was seven or eight years where the sky was a different color. After that it was such a severe and I shouldn't say it was a different color, but the sunsets were uh oranger. Uh. Okay, I don't know. It is darker or something. I don't know. It had a severe effect on the world. Uh. And so the theory goes that this eruption uh caused a famine in Europe, and so the Europeans, they all UH traveled down into the Mediterranean to get food from the superpowers. Uh, this influx of refugees and all these nations. Yeah, they did not have enough food for everybody, UH, which led to a new crisis of nations like the nations in the Levant, where their primary export was the food. They now couldn't export, so they couldn't get all the other materials they needed for this enough yeah, because they they didn't have enough to to maintain all the refugees. Um, and so it started to to kind of cripple each of these nations because they couldn't keep up with the amount of food that they had because they were. What was very interesting was these the societies had, uh, these storehouses, Um, and they had like really sophisticated ledgers keeping track of how much food that they needed throughout to get through all the winters and even extended famines. U started to withstand those sorts of things. Well, when there was this inflo some people, it messed up that calculation and so then they ran out of food really quickly, and so they as this theory goes, is it put the whole area into the state of Um, very like a very thin line close to a collapse. And then everybody who didn't travel in to become a refugee started getting desperate. And those are the sea people's. They got boats and they came in and we're basically like, hey, give us food or we kill you. Um, they're like, we don't have any food, and then they killed them. Uh, there's one thing, we're true to our word the end their Ph that was good. That was a good joke. And these, uh, these people groups were all it was a disjointed and fractured groups. They right. Yeah, and because this was a disjointed and fractured group, that's why they weren't capturing the cities. They were just trying to get food and survived, and then we're going out of the next city to get the food and survived. And the reason why these nations uh couldn't defend themselves against these people, Um, is there's that, but there's also this idea that the lack of trade uh for the economy and especially inflation. Gas prices were high. especially the military was very expensive in these nations to train and maintain all their different UH chariots and armors and whatever they have, um, and so they weren't in a state where they were ready to defend themselves like they normally would have been. Um, they're a little bit weaker and more open to attack. Is the is the theory, and so it was. It was the series of of Um effects that began from this volcano. Um. That's the theory. That's the theory. The other the other ones are relative similar to this. The next one is a drought, and so it's a similar concept that there was some sort of drought. Someone see people. So if there was no ocean, then where are they coming from? The ocean sank and then the people that lived under there were like, well, there's a world up here. So you're saying there are people who living on the ocean and the water just slowly went down and all of a sudden their heads were just out of the water and they were like, y'all, see this, Ya see, like they got cheeriots and stuff. We know how to say that. We're cheeriot. We knew what that is, though. We're very familiar with the world. Wow, the waters down to our shoulders, right, and they kind of get a little word because they're like trying to breathe right, like did a volcano caus this? They're like it's so much easier breathe outside the water. It's probably for that month where the water is still going down. It's just in their eyes. Like what's happening, guys? Can you imagine if that happened with the air? What are you talking about? If the atmosphere just sink works in space? Yeah, it's just our eyes are outside the atmosphere. That would be sketchy. Every time you drop something, get like it burns up. Yeah, you're eating, you drop something off your fork and you're creating comets. Dog Traits are a thing in the past. We can't toss those no more. Yeah, you can't jump either. Talking yet taking away your parents wouldrow their babies in the air. Oh No, yeah, that baby belongs to space. Now that's the spaces baby stars, baby, Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify Youtube, you'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators. Uh, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight, six six. Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, the drop is a similar theory. There was some somewhere far away and then everybody got hungry and then it just kind of causes chain reaction. Another one is iron um the so there's this cycle, uh, where the plankton eat the iron? Stop that? No, so the idea is that there was some other nations somewhere that discovered iron and they started making iron weapons and it gave them an edge and then they were able to become to see people's and go kill everybody these. You're you're hung up on the numbers of that battle. I am, and I'm hung up on the fact that, if this is true, there should be an empire. And skip to the weird theories. There's not any weird theories. Well, there are some people who think to see people's are aliens. I was going time travel. Oh, that's a cool theory about it. Let's play about it, all right. So, all right, here we go. Fifty Years Before that, a dad throws his baby in the air, right, I mean floats away. Fifty years later, it's very angry about the changes they've been made to earth and it's you know, and it's like, I'm an atmosphere. Yeah, well, it's not longer a baby, it's a grown main it was grown into fear villain, right. So he returns. Yeah, I got superpowers from growing, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I was just thinking like, you know, to to defeat the high number of people, you know, I got to have like cannons and guns and stuff. Yeah, so, yeah, you probably are from the future if you were able to do that. Dude, you know how we, you and I, could single handedly win the civil war if we went back in time with current weapons, like you and me, that would be a pretty fun movie. Which would you try? Which would you fight for? Tim I'd fight for the right one. Yeah, which one is the right one? I was hoping that I was trying to trap you in that. So that's pretty funny. So, yeah, so the idea is that there was some technological edge that some nation got and they went and conquered everybody. But I think that's pretty unlikely because there was no empire that rose up after this. It was just a vacant you. Okay, Um, so I think it's unlikely. The next one is kind of similar. UH, they call it changes in warfare. Yeah, why would they just yeah, I guess why. Why would they just fight them and leave? Yeah, that's very peculiar. Um, it's like mugging somebody but not taking their wallet. Yeah, yeah, and and there's stuff that's missing. Well, I mean, I guess. But if they're if they're greater, if they're more advanced, right, and they come and attack this land and they realize, oh, we already have this stuff, is not that great. Yeah, maybe that's like that's like when someone broke into my van, right and they throw my merchandise and didn't steal a single thing, you know, like they broke my window out, looked at my shirts, my CDs and they were like no, I don't need this, unless there is that guy who broke into my van and he's now just a fan. He just saw your Vano was like oh sweet, I love that. My van used to say tour dates on it, you know. And so I think they broke in opening to find things of value, value and instead they found my merchandise, which is of no value. Yeah, that's fair. You can probably just on JARREN MEYERS DOT COM, slash van merge, Fan Merge. So yeah, so I think maybe they maybe they went and they were like, Oh, this isn't worth it, though, maybe, but you would still think they would take the land. That's true, I guess. I mean it's just strange. Uh and and what's even more stranges nobody really built. I mean they had to all die or they ran. There are new villages that popped up on the top of mountains. So these people were very scared. Okay, the Sea People's Um. They're like they can't climb hills. Uh. Another theory is changes in warfare, and so there's an idea that Um kind of similar to the civil war. Where was it? The civil war? Was it there? I knew you're gonna say it, but it's still got me just as good. Was it the civil war? was that, Muh, where we changed? It wasn't the lines of people just shooting at each other and then it was actually like condat Um, when you were no, they still did that inter that's where it changed. We had the drummers in the front line that. So do you remember, like do you remember? Do you realize, like that was someone's somebody died playing the flute in the civil war. You know that's not a hero. You're not a hero. You know you're not a hero. The Piccolo. Come on, Dude, you know you're not a hero. There's there's somebody who's like my great great grandfather, my great grandfather, he was the fluter, you know, he played the Piccolo. He was you know, you imagine that. They'll imagine you. You were looking up your family history and you're a great grandfather played the Piccolo in the civil war. Yeah, I like to picture that the Piccolo Guy and the Piccolo guy got shot and then someone on the other side of the line was like the piolow's down and he ran across really valiantly to pick it up and then keep playing because someone had to do it, and then he got shot. Yeah, if someone stops playing the Piccolo, the sea people show up. It's the only way to keep him under water like that PC dude. Piccolo guy didn't even mean to be in the civil war. He's just an ice cream man, right, he's just out there, he's got a little Satchel of melted ice cream. They couldn't carry it. They didn't have they didn't have the technology back then, right, and he's just out there like ice scream, you know. And UH, anyway, no, but you know, it's definitely gonna be one of those lifted truck guys who's got the punisher logo in the back of his truck. He said my grandfather had fought for this wart this and his, his grandfather, fought in the civil war. It's like your grandmother played the Piccolo. Yeah, Um, he's like yeah, what about it? He just puts his together. He's like he's on the highway, he's getting in run range and he gets out of the car. He's like, he's like, you're gonna requet this. You say you're sorry, writing say it. I'm not afraid to use it. Don't make me. He's ripped like he's buff, Dude. He's like a really buff, bald, scary looking guy. Gotta punish your TAT on his face. Wow. So, I don't know. Some of these jokes are good and some of them are just real, real bad. So we got highs and Piccolos, you know what I'm saying? Okay, this episode sucks. So so there was there was also an earthquake storm. Earthquake Storm. What? There was also an earthquake storm. Apparently a real thing. Apparently the earth shakes. Yeah, what happens is, I guess, and it makes sense if you think about it. UH, sometimes there's an earthquake and then there's a lot of them for a while. Um, because I guess, like the plates are moving and then they never figure it out. Well, I mean, if a plate's moving, one quake isn't enough to solve whatever they're trying to figure out. I do know a lot about plates. Yeah, this is a good place, this is really good, good plate. Can I take a bite? Out of that plate. That's a good plate, you got right there. Uh. If then with shifting, most likely one earthquake isn't enough for it to figure out what it's where it's trying to go um, and so it needs some more earthquakes to get where it's going. And so there's occasionally these earthquake storms were in a specific region. There'll be just a lot of earthquakes for a while until the earth gets sorted out a little bit. And so is all the theories involved. These are things that led to them being destroyed by an enemy, basically. So it's very clear they were destroyed by an enemy. I don't know if it was they were destroyed by the enemy. I think. I think, what I think. What we see is we know there was a lot of nations that got attacked by somebody. Um, we don't know who or where they came from, but we know they all talked about the sea people these uh, the the thing is, it doesn't seem like that's the only part of the story. So we're saying that an unknown cause. You just you just take a long way to say. What I just said, though, is that we are confirmed that they were attacked by somebody. Yeah, but it's not. It's not that the attack was what was collapsing it. Yeah, we're saying that these are all the theories of other factors. Yeah, plus the attack. Yeah, that would have led to this collapse of an eight hundred year old civilization that was pretty advanced in stable into and it happened in fifty years. I mean, you know, you are one generation away from total collapse. Is something that I don't know. This is what a lot of Republicans say. You're one generation away from probably getting from this. Yeah, my grandfather played the Piccolo, but uh, and so the earthquake storm started it. So basically what we're getting is there's a lot of different little little things that could have been the root cause sent things down a road that caused a greater class up. Uh, and that's kind of where historians sitting now is. They think it was kind of this greater systems collapses, the phrase that they use, where the society was built on the systems of trade and agriculture. Something happened. They were overwhelmed. Yeah, the system did not run properly. Yeah, supply chain was broken, exactly, exactly. And so, because, because trade was hampered because there was the famine. Um. They were opened up, they got opened up to disease and things like that that they weren't before and they got opened up to the possibility of being rated by these whatever the sea people's were. Um. And it in fifty years. It brought the known world for those people to its knees. Um. And what's very crazy is it didn't bounce back for five years. This whole region was just kind of left in ruin for five hundred years. Um. And then the Greek civilization came up out of it and they were like, let's invest in this property. The Greeks saw it as a wonderful investment opportunity. Um. Uh. It took them years to get to the point where they were even comparable to what was there before. Um. And so a lot of historians, they looked to the mythology um and even a lot of religious texts from that era after the collapse. Um, and they like even the story of Atlantis. A lot of a lot of historians will say Atlantis is talking about the world before the Bronze Age collapse. Um. And maybe there was an actual city called Atlantis, or maybe it was just this distant memory that was passed down through generations of people saying like the world was a much better place before Um. Everything just kind of fell apart. They never finished a sentence. There's a much better place before before what, Grandpa, but for what? It sounds like you just whispered to me. The next time you do that, I whispered back, dude, GRANDPA's lost his mind, Dude. And so so it's it's it's strange because, uh, it's weird. It's strange because this was a time where, uh, we don't we had this society that had written word, that had a good history, that kept tract of everything, and then all of a sudden it just disappeared and there's this this window in history where there's basically nothing Um and we don't have a lot of record of what happened in there. And then all of a sudden grace rises up. And what's Uh, what's interesting is even in the collapse, for those nations that survived, Egypt, it seems like just made a bunch of crap up Um, like they've got all this stuff about how Ramsey's defeated to see people's and pushed them back and all this stuff, and it doesn't seem like that's necessarily true. It just seems like they just kind of got lucky and we're on the tail end of this Um by the time to see people showed up Um, or if they I don't know. It just doesn't seem like they're telling the truth about the scenario. Do you think ancient Egypt? Deep State Ancient Egypt? He's lying about what happened. Yeah, okay, Um. And so these these nations, uh, they went on in Egypt. Obviously stuck around and became a big deal, a serious duck around and became a big deal. But this window was where Israel popped up and out of out of the Levant, they ended up over there and they made their nation. And you know, the rest is in the Bible. If you're curious about that one, you can pick it up. You can pick it up in the hotel room. So, yeah, this is I mean, I don't know. Is the bronzes clapse? It just kind of fell apart. Yeah, a lot like the end of this episode. Apparently, Jesus, apparently it wasn't. There's no real clear reason. Or most of the aliens most likely probably. Well, you know what they say. Anyway, that is at the end. Yeah, well, I'm going to tell you I saw I almost a fight at a red light the other day, one of those big trucks right he gets out, he's like get the person, oh gosh, pull out a fiddle. Things that the last night is a production of space tim medium produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Kleb but Goldberg, and our social media is run by Kaylee Walker. Our host are Jarren Meyers and Tim Stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at tilling. PODCAST IS T I L L and podcast. 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Mike Malloy – The Iron Man Who Just Won’t Die

08-02-22

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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Mike Malloy? Mike Malloy? Yeah, maybe Michael Malloy, Mike Malloyd? No, I know his son, draco. You might have draco Malloy. What about Mike the Durable or iron mike or Irish drest SPUTIN? Maybe the Juggernaut or, uh this is uh my favorite, the murder trust. Yeah, what is is this a is this a local wrestler? Is this one of those guys, like does backyard wrestle? Sounds like it. It sounds like it. No, it's not, it's ah Um. You know, I think this is better if I don't tell you. Sprinkle on a little bit of rat poison as if it was like a vinaigrette. Did you say innocent and then describe a murder? You know that guy that crawled in the fire yesterday? We've been trying to kill him from MONC won't die. What's that episode of Spongebob where he makes that really nasty looking crabby patty? You know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, it's gotta look worse than that, right. Things I learned last night. That was the whole episode. What if it's like it's like, actually, this one's better. If you don't know, your life was. My life was better before I knew. It's great. Let me just say, okay, I won't tell you. Sure, let's go and blind. Yeah, let's let's go and blind. Okay, so it's the year is nineteen three. Um, it's it's just February, a couple of years after the Great Depression, the height of the Great Depression. We're still in it. We're still win we spoke. First of all. We're still know when? When does when did the depression officially end? What was the do we know? I'm sure like someone knows. I don't know. When did someone over from to thirty nine? It was the war. The war gave everyone a lot of money because, you know, a bunch of companies profited off of war, as always. Um, wow, that's the thing. So this is the middle of the depression, I guess, the early middle of the Great Depression. Um, New York, the depressions teenage years. What is that? How old is the Depression in human years? That human years. Every year the depression is like eight years. So okay, so at that point the depression would have been four years old. Uh, and so it's about a seven to one ratio. But all age. Yeah, so depression is as old as us at this point. So pretty wise its brain is fully developed at so it's New York City, February. The Bronx. Okay, uh, there's this group of guys right, yeah, you ready? Tony Marino, Joseph Murphy, Francis Pasqual and Daniel Christberg, who were talking about Mike. We're talking about Michael Malloy, Malloy. Yeah, yeah, he's a gangster. He's a mobster in this group. Obviously there are a group of dudes and the Bronx in the Great Depression, uh, and their friends. Um. Also, what's going on in the middle of this era is the only people who had friends in the depression was the mob. Everyone else is on their own. Everyone else is trying to figure out how to meet through the depression. The mob was like they were fine doing okay, yeah, those are a lot of mob names. It was the first one. The Tony Marina's some mob mobby name. Uh, so, Tony Marino, he owned a speakeasy. This is the middle of the prohibition. Oh yeah, and so I wonder how correlated the prohibition and the Great Depression were. Well, I'll tell you what. It was horrible depression and people couldn't drink during it. So it's like, well, I just hit a cave tour the other day. Prohibition was the nineteen so wow, they got like a couple of years into it and they were like, you know what I always said about that? We should drink again, not until the depression is drinking age and it's it is finally Tony One in depression. Now. I went on a cave tour the other day and the caves were used as the does it speakeasy? Yeah, did they do it in a cave or do they have like a like the cool ones, like under a barbershop or something? Yeah, it was something like that. Um, it's in the it's in the Bronx. Um. So these guys there are a group of friends. Um, and the depression obviously was a difficult time financially for a lot of people. Um, we should make alcohol illegal again just because I want to see where the speakeasy pop up in current world. Just because, just like inside a mattress firm underneath the windy's, you know, uh, can I get the four for four? Um, you know, can I get a vanilla frosty and then like the drift just opens up. Anyway, it's like anyways, uh, okay. So, uh, Tony Marino, he's running this. He's gotta speak easy, he's got to speake easy. Um. And the depression was a tough time for a lot of people, uh, and a lot of people turned to some nefarious options of making money, because a lot of people were struggling making its meat. So some people got into some petty theft, UM, some people got into some robbery. Um. A lot array of crimes were being committed by people who are in desperate situations. And this group, Um, they said, you know what, world of that, robbery, theft, things like that. That's the you're not gonna make much money after that. A couple hundred bucks, chirps, Um. We need we need to go after some like enterprise. Yeah, and so they got together and they started Um doing a little uh fraud, um fraud, a little bit of light fraud, some insurance fraud. I do love a little bit of light fraud. Was It was insurance fraud. Ironically, the thirties were is the fraudyest insurance period UH in history. Um, for a couple of reasons. Historians thicket was one. The depression was happening and so a lot of people were desperate and insurance fraud was one of the easier frauds to commit, especially because at that time, well also in Um, more fraudulent checks had been cashed in than in the entire two decades before that. When things get tough, I mean people fraud. Uh, people, fraud, afraid people, fraud people. I had that motivational poster up there, you know, afraid people, fraud people. Okay, so um the but they also think that the insurance agents, the salespeople, we're getting commissions and they were like I'll turn a blind eye to what I'm pretty sure fraud, so I could get commission off that Um. But there was also really lax regulations with insurance in that era, Um, and so a lot of new regulations respond out of this era, one of the bigger ones being Um, the person who was having an insurance policy taken out on them did not have to be present at the time of sale. So I could just take out an insurance policy on you and you didn't have to know and then I could go kill you and be like hey, he's dead and then I would get the money back, because they were just like, yeah, I'm sure this guy is I'm sure this guy's okay with this, I'm sure he knows you. And could you kill me and then take out the insurance? You'd have to be pretty fast. You'd have to get that work done pretty could you run me over with your car and then take out an insurance policy, but way too much for the insurance to kick in, and then and then claim the insurance on that? You'd have to do some serious embalming and make sure like you never decayed a little bit. Um. But if you could pass it off a fresh dis start scamming dude here. Yeah, we should start taking a shared note on our phones. Anytime you think of a good scam, let's just put it in there. That's a good scam. That's a good scam, like a good scam. So, uh, these guys were like hey, yeah, who were they taking? Were they killing people? It started off started off pretty normal. Um, it started off innocently enough. Um, with UH, one of the guys was dating this girl. It wasn't going great and so they said, Hey, what if she just got pneumonia? And so what they did is uh took out an insurance policy on her. Uh opened up the window. It's December and UH, New York dumped a bunch of water on her. got a really drunk first, so she would to notice. Got A really drunk, dump a bunch of water on her and just let her die overnight. Called up one of her hospitals. Yeah, yeah, called it one of their doctor friends and was like hey, we'll give you a piece of the Pie if you say it was like just pneumonia and America. And so he signed it off. And the people people was just get them drunk, get them cold and make it just dousement water. Well, they said they wanted it to look if anyone was going to look into this, they wanted it to look natural, and so they didn't want there to be any like evidence of strigulation or a struggle or anything like that. And it was a pretty natural looking desk. She got drunk, left the window open, got a little wet, froze Um and so, uh, and they got away with it. So the first one they did was murder. Yeah, I said, could they merge her murdering people? And you went, well, it started pretty pretty innocent. Is that the word? You used. I don't remember exactly what he said. Did you say innocent and then describe a murder? Because that's what it seems like I might. It started pretty innocent. You know, the first guy was just his girlfriend, you know, just some poor girl who had no idea and uh, you know, got her drunk, thumbed some water on her and it was left her for dead. It just left the window open. Okay, yeah, yeah, I guess it wasn't that innocent. Yeah, it started. So it started at murder. I thought you were gonna be like yeah, I mean it started pretty simple, like they just, you know, put a cast on an arm that wasn't broken. You know that the doctor be like and then, AH, you know, they collected some insurance money. They went straight to murder. Didn't didn't even pass go and collect twos, they just went straight to murder. I will say I don't think that was where it started. I think there was some other light frauds that committed before this. I think this was where, uh, there's a pivot point when they realized hey, we could kill someone and people wouldn't notice. Um, Yeah's also in the thirties. You could just do that anyway. It's true. Yeah, Um. So then they started thinking, well, Hey, um, what if we could take out a few more insurance policies on somebody? If they didn't know, we could get a bunch like different from different financial organizations, get that to add up to a bunch of money and then, yeah, and then make off with a bunch more money because they made I think they made two thousand dollars off of, Um, that girlfriend's policy, which was, I don't know, uh during the depression. Yeah, let me let me check. Still, it was a good chunk of change. In the thirties. That's probably forty. Yeah, but even still, like that's not you're you're splitting this between uh, five guys, six guys. Um, so it comes up to thirty three grand. But then you're splitting that five ways. So everyone walked away with like a month's rent. Okay. Uh. So it really wasn't that significant of UH murder. And so they were like, how can we make some more money off of this? And so they started devising this plan. And but also, you've got like five other guys you gotta Trust. Yeah, yeah, that's that's why it's called the murder trust. Yeah, trust, that's what we're gonna get. That makes sense. Okay. Uh So then the plan was, hey, let's let's take this out. A bunch of different financial institutions on the same person. Will create a fake identity for them and then we'll we'll kill them, plant the identity, like the I D cards and stuff on them after they die. Let them get discovered. There's the ID cards, and then whoever is the fake sibling or whoever took up the policy will have fake I d stuff. They'll go colo act and then we split the cash. Um. Okay, flawless plan. And then they thought, oh wait, who are we gonna kill? Well, I mean, if you're gonna do fake I D S, couldn't you just, you know, you could really ride the same body a couple different cover different times. You know, just keep dropping, keep dropping different ideas in and put them in different place. This word, so you think. You just roll up into predential and like I got a dead person. Here's this idea to get an insurance playing one. I'm like a week ago in the thirties they were like it, we're so busy with the depression. You know, you gotta take you gotta Way too much. Get that body out of here. You know, they were so prisy they didn't care. They was like yeah, sure, take the money, get back to depressing. You know. They're like there, like hey, nobody's allowed in here, the sciences employees. That was a stress joked. Give me some time, I'll figure that out by the end of the episode. All right, no, okay. So, uh, they were like, Hey, well, who are we gonna kill? Right, we gotta FIGURE OUT WHO WE'RE gonna kill. Um. 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Now back to this one. I said, perfect, let's just find a local drunk and that's stage and alcohol poisoning. Um. And so, coincidentally enough for them, there was a guy by the name of Mike Malloy who frequented Tony Marinos speakeasy. They actually banned him from it because he had an unpaid tab that was very, very large. Um. He a little bit about you want to make even on your tab? A little bit about Mike Malloy. He's Uh an Irish born immigrant, Um, from the county of Donegal, Ireland, Um, and he was a firefighter who got fired for drinking on the job in in New York, in New York. Yeah, so this guy is not going to go down with alcohol poisoning. I know where the story is going. I know they tried to kill him, but he's Irish and he's a firefighter, right. And so he woke up and was like so they called up they called up Mike, they said Hey, Mike, longtime no see, we miss having you around the speakeasy. He's like, I didn't pay, though, and they're like, you know what, your Tab's cleared and honestly, we just miss having you here, so let's wrack up a bigger tab, buddy. They just said, hey, drinks all drinks around the house for you. You can have whatever you want, drink as much as you want. You're clear. And so he's like, well, that sounds like a deal. And so he shows up at like noon and they just party with him to the night. They're like, let's just keep it going, keep it going, and they just keep feeding this guy more drinks Um, hoping that, uh, he'd give himself. But with every drink he takes he grows stronger, grows another head. Uh. So you were right. Uh, he doesn't. He doesn't, doesn't get um, he drinks a whole bunch, gets super drunk, passes out. They were like, and they're like perfect, he's gonna die. Perfect, he's gonna die. Yeah, he didn't. He came back the next day at like nude and drunk all day again, and this happened like three or four times and we can't get this guy to drink himself into the grave. So they said, what are we gonna do? Um, banned him again. Well, one of the friends in the group Um before the Great Depression and he got laid off. He was a chemist, and so he said, Hey, I've got an idea. Um, let's get a little light poisoning and fault with this light fraud, and so dabble in poisoning someone. So he gets some wood alcohol, UM, which is basically pure methanol. Um. Honestly, the thing that we could describe it closest to today is and I freeze Um. And they're like, let's just give him a bunch of that and tell us this new drink that we're testing, and like you can test out this new drink. Um. We think, like, we're not sure if everyone else is going to have the stomach for it, but you got like an Irom. So so they get him a drunk. They give him, they start giving this wood alcohol and he just slammed. Someone dumps water on him. He's like, Hey, what's that? Are you cold blowing on the what's going on? Viti was the other one. That was the other one. That was the other play. This is why we don't about you this anymore. I'm not about of the murder trust anymore. Shut your mouth talking about the murder dress. Shut your mouth. He's next we have. Do we have a do we have a life insurance policy on Viti if maybe you can drink as much as he wants. No, no tab. Why don't you start drinking? Uh? So he's just pounding these wood alcohol glasses like no effect, like just slamming them, uh, and they're like this is gonna catch up with them eventually, at the end of the night, late and early in the morning, like yes, they're perfect. So he leaves, he goes home, shows up the next day around dude, and that was great, guys. Uh. So skin is clearer, looking healthier. You know, it's some more of that new drink. It's well what uh? Some chemists have evaluated this situation, uh since, and what they said that they can happen is, uh, they got him drunk before they gave him the wood alcohol. Um, and traditional alcohol is ethanol. Ethanol, uh, breaks down methanol, and so it doesn't have any effect on your body. And so if you pro Tipu pro tip, pro tip, if you ever drink any freeze drink a bunch of alcohol, because that is literally the cure. Um, it breaks down the ANI, freezing your stomach, and that's how you get out of there without dying. And that's what the guy told me when I was super driving him once. I was like, man, you look, are you okay? Like you look like you've had too much. No, I drink some anti freeze earlier, and so, honestly, I'm just doing the responsible thing, you know, and I'm just trying to get just drinking them to way more. I'm just trying to survive. Ye, Hey, dude, look at you. Keep proud of you, man, taking care of your body. I mean that's great awareness, man. Uh. So they said they filled his body with ethanol, so that way, when he drank the methanol freeze, there's the cure. Natty, like right where those their commercials? It's terrible. Uh. And so it didn't work and they were like dumbfounded that this didn't work. Uh. And so one of the guys in the group was like, Hey, I heard about this guy who was this thing called bullets. There's no way he'll survive, right. I heard about this guy who ate some oysters while drinking whiskey. Uh, and apparently there was like a chemical reaction, and so they found some of the sounds of the people who were like, dude, if you eat pop rocks and drink soda, your stomach will explode. Did you know that? Have you ever heard that before? So they said. So what they did? Do you know if you sleep with your contacts and your eyes will fall out? Let's put some contexts in his eyes. Don't tell him. Do you know that? If you put someone's hand in water while they're sleeping, they'll beat themselves? You won't kill him, but it'll be pretty funny. So what he said is they took these uh rotten oysters, okay, and they said, Hey, I forget the whiskey. Let's pickle them in wood alcohol. And so they took a that of that would alcohol through a bunch of rotten oysters in there and let them get pickled. Um. I love, I love. They're so confident that they're like this smells terrible, it looks awful and Mike's gonna eat it. He's gonna, you know, it's kind of a given that he's gonna eat it, like it doesn't no matter how it smells or what color it is or what it looks like like Mike's probably gotta eat this. You know, I love that they took that for granted. They were like, obviously he'll eat it, you know, no question about it. And then they're all joking around, laughing later and there and Mike's like Ah, you're killing it, but they were like we're trying, Mikey, we're trying to kill you so hard, man. I mean it's true. They totally were just like yeah, he'll eat it. Um He did. A couple of days later, after they pickled it, they served on this plate of these oysters and he asked second sounds like the kind of dude who, a couple of years ago, when I first proved to Kan city, one of the major news stories was that guy who wrote around in a four wheler naked. Did you see that, chased around on four thirty five and all that stuff? That is this guy. Yeah, I think I think you're right on it. Might it might be him. What if he ate enough rotten oysters that, you know, that's why the Queen's so old. You know, it's because she ate a lot. Her secret is up. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's great. Yet so people I mean the royal families kept that pretty, pretty secret, pretty secret. So, UH, a couple of days later, after they pickled these oysters, uh, they fed it to him and he sure enough, just ate him and they fed and they were like there's like, Hey, here's the news thing we got. Yeah, they're like, Hey, man, we got a new yeah. Well, they made him a plate of him and he loved him so much he asked for seconds and they were like okay, Um. So they got him drunk again. He went home, came back the next day totally fine, UM, which, I'm gonna be honest with you, like I don't know what they expected with that. Like I feel like that's like a Oh, he's gonna get food poisoning, he's probably gonna throw up, but it's like is he gonna die? It's a ridiculous plan to me. I know what they expected. They expected him to not. You're right, but also, these guys are not starting to sound very smart. So so. So the next day they said we gotta up to Annie Um next, day after day after day, sing seven weeks, seven assassination tips and not even knowing and you're just like, dude, I'm having them the best week, like he just keep giving me freeze stuff. Yeah, so he comes into the speakeasy and uh, there's what's the password there? Do we know? UH, time for Malloy to die. Malloy die, Malloy murder, party of five. Yep, you didn't. Here you go. He's not hungover every day. I mean I'm sure he's Hungover, but he's the cure for hangover is just more, is more. So he comes in and the speakeasy and uh, he gets in there and UH, they had made a new meal for him and they said, hey, we got a new dish we want you to try, and he's like absolutely, you've been making great food lately. Brought it out, he ate the plate. They were like not Mike. Yeah, he's like, dude, I I know my dishes, you know, and that's a good dish. It's a good dish, this chewing the porcelain thing. They made a sandwich for him and the Sandwich consisted of an old shoe, an old literally an old can of Sardine's that had just been under the counter. Biting that can. Well, wait, uh, there's the sardines. Uh. And then they sprinkled on a little bit of rat poison as if it was like a vinaigrette. Uh. And then they put in some broken glass, some carpet tax uh, like just this thing's gotta look like what's that episode of Spongebob where he makes that really nasty looking crabby patty? You know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, it's gotta look worse than that, right, I don't know, but sure enough, good old Mike Malloy eats the whole thing and it's like hey, this is pretty good, pretty good, he's leading. MUST HAVE BIT my tongue. No Way. They just can't kill this guy. And honestly, I've eaten that. I have not eaten the sandwich, but I made a kid eat that when I was a youth pastor. So like youth camp there, and that's a wild yeah, that is a pretty youth pastory sandwich. Yeah, Sardines and broken glass. Next time you gotta be like you guys got any if you eat this whole thing, I'll dye my hair blonde. It's like every every pastor. If you eat that whole thing, I'll do something very trindy. Like what are you talking about, dude? That's not even I'll buy a Gucci sweater. Yeah, I did. I bet my friend a pair of sneakers. You wouldn't need that. So, oh my gosh, that's so funny. UH, yeah, so, uh, this guy's just that time and the murder trust gets together and they're like like hey, none of this is working. We need we can't call ourselves the murder trust anymore unless we can murder some we can't murder anybody, but we can't be the murder trust if our murders aren't trustworthy. Uh. And so they said, what are we gonna do? We gotta, we gotta. This isn't working. He said, Hey, hey, hey, hey, are you're doing all of them? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, they said. We got off the rails, guys, we didn't do what we know how to do. We're over here trying to poison the guy who were freezers, freezers, we should have trying to poison the guy. That's not what we have experienced in yeah, Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. 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Right, he uses toothpicks to make it a club sandwich. He's the toothpick with it, right, I'm talking about it. He's the kind of guy that asks for extra toothpicks in his club sandwich because he likes the way it feels in his mouth. You know, this guy's bonkers. Hey, Tony, you're a poison. Yeah, Oh man, okay, yeah, that's UH. He's got his feet in the fryers right, because it feels good, right, foliating his feet with the air with them with the French fry fryers. Totdale is stuck in the fire. Uh. Yeah. So, Um, they get him really drunk again, yea. And they they convinced him to what. They convince him that there's like some events are gonna get he tried to do this earlier to him. I don't know. I don't know if they wanted to go bowling or like. I don't know what they said, but they were like. They're like, they're like hey, Mike, want to go bowling? And it's again. And so they walk him out in the park, uh, and they wait till he passes out and lay him out on Um a park bench. This is February in New York, very cold. They take his shirt, they dump five gallons of water on him and they just peece out. And so they expected, here we go, we got him. We froze them. That's what we know how to do. Um, the next day they're hanging out in the speakeasy and vinny's like, Hey, guys, kill that guy. Yet we dumped some water on him last night and he's like that's what I tried to do a week ago. Yeah, and you guys have been giving me rat poison ever since. Uh. And then, uh, right on cue, Mike Walks into the speech, arms frozen up with a brand new shirt. Hey, guys, can't put his arms down. It's frozen. I don't know what happened, but I've frozen. Something froze me last night. Came the air fire side of a thaw. Slowly goes in like you like you do to a hot tub, you know where you try to like slowly. Uh. Well, what happened? He's laying in the fire. There's a fireplace. He's laying in it. He's like sorry, guys, I was gonna he's just he's like Oh yeah, that was pretty crazy. Right. Guys, you were like what is going went on? Dude picking little carpet tax out of his teeth. Uh. So what happened was the crew went home, he sat there frozen and drunk for a little bit and then the police found him and they were like, oh, we'll go take this guy to a homeless shelter. They drop him off there. The homeless shelter, gives them new clothes, thaws them out and then sends him on his Merry Way. And he wakes up the next morning no memory of any of it and it's just like, yeah, I woke open this homeless shelter and they gave me a new shirt, and then he's like, you guys want to drink. So at this point the murder trust is frustrated. They can't do what they're good at, they can't do what they're not to that they're just failing left and right. This is not worth their investment in time now, because now they're looking. I mean, you really like break this down right. This is how freelancers work. You know, you get a good chunk of that insurance fraud money, right, but when you break it down to the amount of hours that you're putting into these, well, you also got to they're doing minimum wage. You also got to think all the alcohol that they've spent on from saying like there's the cost of this is starting to push. It's hard to write that off. You know you can't write off murder expenses on your taxes. Can I get on a call with the Triple Tax Guy? Hey? Yeah, so we were murdering this guy earlier this year. And what do I label this in quick books if I use this to take somebody out? Um. So they said, you know what we needed? We need to hire an expert. They got to bring somebody else in. So they hire mob Hitman, and the mob Hitman is like, Oh, this is easy. He's like, you're a taxi driver. He's like, you guys tried freezing him? What? Alcohol? Sardines? He's like. He's like, this is easy, you're you're a taxi cab driver. And he's like, let's who's the tash scared or one of the one of the trusters? Um, and so, uh, he's like, let's uh, let'shit him with the event together. You guys are gonna meet up somewhere, parked the cab around the corner. When he walked in the corner, hit him. You know, Oh, I was. And so they set this up. They stayed this thing for him to meet them at some place on the other side of town and take the cab out there. And as he walked by, they just they hit him at forty five, run him over, uh, and they freaked out. They're like, oh, he is super dead. And so they ran because they had never done anything this violent before. They killed somebody and they tried to kill this guy a lot. But everything that they've done to this point, this is like nine attempts. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot of attempts. Um. And so they ran. They freaked out because this was the most violent like murder that they had ever committed. I mean these are all like. This is a guy, it was a chemist, a taxi cab driver. These aren't cold blood of killers, these are just they had to hire a consultant. You know, we gotta bringing the big guns. And when they said that, they should have thought guns. We gotta bring in the big guns. Oh, really, really, that would be wait easier. The mob guy, mob. Okay, Um, well, I guess they still needed to look like an accident for the insurance. Yeah, so they were cautiously optimistic at this point. They they yeah, we're getting with the cab last night and they went back to the speakeasy and waited through the day. He didn't show up. Next Day didn't show up. Next Day didn't show up. So they said, okay, surely he he actually died, and so they started trying to go find him because he was three days. They had to get the paper. M I was just trying the timeline. Right Friday they hit him with a cab. Saturday. They were feeling pretty confident. Sunday was just around the corner. Hang on on this. In the speakeasy Sunday morning and the door literally rolls off the hinges. They're like, who opens doors like that? They went out searching for him and somebody said, why do you look here? There was some gardener in the city. There's no garden anywhere nearby, and he's like, guys, it's me, it's me, Michael Halloy. It's me Michael Malloy. A will the cabs ever picks him up, drove seven miles, didn't even realize him. Are that? Someone's like, all right, I don't believe that's him until I see I see their cards and his teeth. All Right, okay, Thomas, this is what that guy meant. We had a guy who's really annoyed who said to so many emails about how many Bible related jokes we make, and this is what he means. Yeah, it's like it's like you're blasphemous man. Honestly, I would hope that people who listen to it. Are encouraged by how well we know the scriptions. We understand all right. So here's the deal. This put them in the position where, speaking of Bible Jokes, uh, we talked about this in Biblicool a lot. Where is the body? You have to know. Where is the body to prove? Well, yeah, they can't claim the insurance if they don't know. Yeah, you have to bring the body to predential. Say Look, you got I'd like to claim a life insurance. You got the body. So that the other place that says nobody is allowed employees only. You're saying that this life insurance place is employees and you have like you got to bring you have to bring a government I d you gotta have a check, right, and you have to have the body with you. The documents they require are it's pretty insane. It's like, can I have a photo copy of the dead body? Yeah, to have the original. You have to. I don't have the original. Can I all overnight? It all overnight. The body got to work for us. Can I submitted electronically? Yeah, yeah, can I just take a picture on my phone and send it to you? That's worse. That's worse. I think, Oh my God, why do you have a picture of your dead uncle on your phone? It's an insurance thing. Yeah, I forgot to take it off. I forgot to Leet that picture. Okay, so where's the body? They gotta find the body. Where is it? Who's got this thing? They go to the mall and it's a mannequin. Someone's propped it up to him. They start going to all the uh local hospitals, being like hey, did this guy check in? It's my brother. I haven't been able to find them. And they're checking all these places. They can't find them. They've been to every hospital and no one has a record of them. They're looking around trying to track this guy down. They call insurance and they try to open the claim it. Insurance is like, well, you got to see the body. They were just Sherwin Williams, the paint store, and they found him just scoop and paint and drinking it. Michael, he's double, double hand is lapping up some paint. Why not? I mean the guy's crazy. If he laughs like a dog, send him home. Uh So, uh, it's another Bible joke. So they they try to open up these shirts with a cant uh and UH, they're they're looking everywhere, right, right. One day they're back and speak easy and they're like, I don't I think we just do another I think we have to pick out another drunk. And as they're coming up with their plan, trying to pick out pick up, the door opens, Mike Willoly wags in a couple of casts. Clearly he injured. You guys are never gonna I got hit by a cab. I saw you. Ever heard from me in a few weeks? Hey, by the way, years outside, did you hear a deer or something? Yeah, you got a big old dead actually matches my back and I was like, well, that's my but I know. I know my butt when I see it, you know. So uh, he's just like yeah, you guys are Never gonna believe this. They got hit by a car. was in the hospital for a few weeks. Like what hospital were that? We were at that hospital. They called the hospital. They're like hey, we came looking for our friend and he was there and like Ah, we forgot to put it in the records. That's a people are like Oh, yeah, we forgot. Sorry, might be Ibot to write it down. So the problem persists. Michael is still alive, Um, injured. It was still alive and so frustrated, Um, and coming close to not profiting on this whole in Denver, the crew decides they're gonna get him drunk again, and I hope that works. Just kidding. They're gonna get him drunk again, take him into one of the back rooms to speakeasy and connect a hose to one of the coal events, because they had the coal heaters, and just hold it on his mouth until he dies of carbon monoxide poisoning. Okay, took about an hour, Um, and then he went unconscious and they were like, all right, he's dead. took him to the same uh doctor from before and they said, Hey, we'll give you a cut if you say it was car from say it was pneumonia, which to me I'm like, that was was made is in casts. He got a pneumonia. He got pneumonia, so doctor was like sure, so you wat a death certificate. Got Pneumonia. They sent it off to all these all these insurance agencies, and the insurance agencies are like, all right, here's money. They got hold on dollars which today would be seventy three Um, but they had spent about two thousand dollars on an alcohol and Ron Startin's and stuff like that. UH, so profit about less than the first UH murder. But they got away with this one. And then two months later, yeah, a couple months later, uh, Mike or not Mike? Uh, I believe it was. So he died, though. He actually did die this time. He did die. Joseph, Joseph. I was really hoping he's gonna be like yeah, he pulled through. Na, no, Joseph Murphy Um got arrested on unrelated charges, totally unrelated, and the insurance company was looking at this case and they're like something's little fishy about this, and so they tried to contact Joseph, but nobody like this guy. They couldn't get ahold of the homeless shelter. Nights before that, hit by a cab and then carbon and then got pneumonia, like there's some strange stuff going on here, um. And so they started trying to contact Joseph for further questioning. But he's in jail because he got Um arrestaurants some other unrelated charge. Um, probably alcohol or whatever. In the prohibition. So he's he's in jail. They can't contact him. So they contact the local authorities and say hey, we want to look further into this. So we start the body. You want to examine it? So they call it another corner for a second opinion, and the body is clearly carbon monoxide poisoned, and they're like yeah, that wasn't pneumonia, this was carbon monoxide poisoning, and they're like oh well, that's strange. So then they did some further investigating the doctor. They started asking everybody who knew Mike Malloy, and the Nice thing about having five people and then a separate doctor and a separate mob person involved in your murder is they all talked about Mike Malloy and how hard he was to kill. Just openly. Oh Yeah, we killed this guy, we tried to take this guy out, and then the door opens they're like, Oh yeah, you and that guy that crawled in the fire yesterday. We've been trying to kill for months. He won't die invincible. Uh and UH. Someone heard and was like, Oh yeah, that was those guys. Uh. And then I heard down at the but then you're in a real conundrum, right because down at the windy's barber, no, I haven't heard about him, never met never mind. Sorry. Is that the yeah, draco right from Harry Potter? Right, DRACO Malloy. That's what I was thinking of. That's what I was thinking of. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, detective. Yeah, yeah, no, I never knew him. Are you sure? I swear I never knew him. No, I'm pretty sure I saw it. No, I never knew him. You know, as another Bible Joke, the detectives daughter walks in. It's like you hell, that guy, that guy. Okay, they're just getting really ridiculous. So, uh, they connect them to it, they arrest them, they try them and it was it was actually uh, two of the doctor and one of the other guys in the group uh got lengthy prison sentences. Um, I don't know exactly how long, but the other four got sentenced to death in the electric chair. So, like they weren't messing around with this. Um, it's pretty crazy. Uh, all four what today would be seventy three grand that they split six ways. Yeah, so they did not. It was not worth it for them. I'm not that killing anybody's ever crazy. Survived the electric chair. They're the fantastic four. was like hit him with a cap, like hey, we got a consultant. He said we aired this because, he said, in them with the CAP. That's crazy. Yeah, so Mike Malloyd just didn't die. These people got labeled the Murder Trust, Um, and then pretty quickly the government was like we should get rid of prohibition. Uh, this was stressful, I do. I feel so bad from Mike Delloyd, though, because this whole time this poor guy thinks he's just got this great group of friends and he's all like super lucky, giving him that hung out with the cool kids. But you knew the cool kids were all making fun of it. They're just messing with them. They were just trying to kill him and cash on policy. Yeah, rich kids, uh so. Yeah, poor Mike Malloy. anyways, Hey, I mean to be honest, though. I didn't he die thinking he had friends? That is a good point. Yeah, he thought, he thought everyone loved him. Well, probably not. When they were just shoving out host down his throat. The very he was like, he's like this is I don't like this drake. This isn't as good as the saying what you give, give me the sandwich instead. Um. But yeah, rumor has it, uh that, uh, there's a barbershop in the Bronx Uh and if you go to the back of that barbershop and you pull Harry Potter and the sorcerer's stone off the shelf Um at five o'clock in the afternoon, then you can still hear the sound. Well, fiddle off. Things on them last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Betts. Social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg, our host, or Jarren Meyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. THAT'S T I L O in podcast. Leave a review, comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on them last night


The great depression was one of the most challenging times in history. The financial uncertainty of the time led many to nefarious forms of income. Unfortunately for Mike Malloy, others looked to more extreme measures. Over a few months in early 1933, a group of five directed by Tony Marino repeatedly attempted to kill Malloy to claim a significant life … Read More

Rendlesham Forest Incident – The Best Documented UFO Sighting In History

07-26-22

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anyways a man. Have you ever heard of the randel sham forest, the Randall Sham, Randall Rendel Sham forest, rindle Sham, rendel sham forest, Randall Shack, Rindell Sham forest, different words, right? Randell Sham, Randall Sham is one word, one single word. Randall Sham forest forests ever word, another word. Okay, Um, yeah, so I thought you were saying a sham forest, like a fake one. This forest is so the Rendall Sham is. What is this? It's a forest in Suffolk. Uh UK, England. Um, it is, uh, I don't know. I don't know a lot about this. Great I appreciate your honesty. Yeah, but I wasn't hot enough to use dating APPS like this. If I got swiped on, I had to allies on it. Yeah, I would immediately get cut open on a table. And are for sure? I mean I would cut them open on a table at the golden corral. One of my fears is that I'll be the one of us that encounters an alien. Oh, I'm sorry, you're not a homeowner. Things I learned last night. What I'm interested in talking to you about is in the Ryndelstam forest there are these two military bases, Um, and they they're they're owned by the UK. Um. But after World War Two, during the UH, what do you call it? The Cold War? Okay, during the Cold War, everybody was like really worried about, you know, nukes and the Russians and stuff. Uh. And so the UK, and I'm already interested in the history of all of this, Um, because I don't know, I'm I'm interested in how this played out because the UK invited America to come and use the two military basis they had here, um called, uh, Woodbridge, Um and bent water. I think Woodbridge and bent water. Um. And they said, hey, why don't you guys hang out here and UH and some hang out here, you hang out here and if Russia seems like they're getting a little Nuki, what if you knew them first? That's I think that was the idea, because at the time England did not have they weren't there, and so they were like we got our friends who are a little bit bigger than us. Well, let him hang out in our military base and get those big necks from the US. I heard they put chains on their head. Uh. And so they were hanging out there. Um. And I'm this is a total sidebar, but I'm curious if this is where, Um, the whole the United States having bass is everywhere started, because no other country does that. Yeah, that's the imperialism. Well, I'm curious if this is how that began, though, because, like, because, because that's a really strange thing to just go to another country and be like hey, what if we put an Air Force space? Like if you're the ones, yeah, but like if the people with nukes show up at your door and they're like this is what if we had a room in this house, you'd be like, yeah, Yep, you can have two rooms and you want and big water. If my neighbors came over and the threatening thing about them was they have nukes, then I want to be very threatened because if they use it, they're dead too. We're next door neighbors, but that's well, no, I'm in like, okay, so what if I came to your house forty minutes away? All right, that's what outside the nuke zone? Yeah, actually, yeah, I'd be worried. I'd be worried two bedrooms in your house. I need two bedrooms in your house, and I said no, not that one. There's a creepy girl all down there. All Right, I've been trying to convince him his house is haunted. Yeah, every time he leaves he will turn down to my stairs, my basement stairs, and say bye because she's there. Like I've got to believe him, like I'm here more than you are. I've never seen the girl. Okay, Oh, yeah, we did try to do this thing today. Okay, so there's a new girl that works downstairs and yesterday I walked in, she's in the break room and I was like, we had a full conversation and then I came up here and I said, Hey, who's that girl downstairs? I don't know who that is. Uh. And then Tim walked in today and he was like Hey, I don't know who that girl is either, and I was like perfect, I got a plan. Yeah, so I went back downstairs because she was still in the break room. Still she doesn't and she was in the break room again. I was getting water. Struck up a conversation and I told Tim to come in and then I was like all right, Tim, you come in and be like who are you talking to? Let's pretend that only one of us can see her. This is gonna be so funny. And then I was gonna be like, can you talk to you? Is gonna be like, Oh, this is, I don't know, whatever her name was, la, and then and then introduced me to her. I don't like. There's there's no one there, which is hilarious. It's so funny that you couldn't do it. It's so funny. I broke. I broke. I literally turned to him and I said, and then started laughing, which to her, let's just down there and you go. You Go, bitched over, right, and then I got to look back and be like I spilled the water. I was filling up all over myself. Walked out of the room. Yeah, and I said, you see him too, right. I said, do you see that guy? You see that guy? Is he a real or is that just me? I could have savaged it, dad, come and I should have thought about no, we decided anybody knew in our building, we're going to pretend that only one of us can see her or him or whoever they are, which is apparently what Tim is doing to me with that girl on his basement. I knew you can see her. So anyways, uh, so the US start. They they started just hanging out at Woodbridge and bent waters Um, which to me feels backwards. I feel like it should be like, uh, I don't know, Wood Bridt bent would water bridge makes more than Wood Bridge bent waters. Anyways, a sidebar. This whole episode has been a Sidebar so far. Great, uh so. anyways, renders from forest uh is a significant place because on December um there was a group of servicemen that were on Um Guard, as you do at military bases Um, and they witnessed what they thought was a plane crash, and so they asked permission to go inspect. And here's the thing, Gosh, I hate that you like my face did not even hide that either, dad Um. You saw it your head. You saw my face go go all right, about jared, I know, I know he is the best part about this is, as happens with all of our earlien episodes, for whatever reason, people are gonna find this and we have spent fourteen minutes every time. was just thinking that. I just my brain immediately went to the youtube comments. Holy Cal there's gonna be so many comments that are like, I gave up with too much giggling. Oh my gosh, I gave up in the story about not being able to see that girl. UH, okay, well, I mean, Dang it, man. All right, so here's what happened. Uh, they saw what they thought was a plane crash, right, and so they asked for permission to go investigate because obviously, like, you see a plane crash, like you gotta go help some people, right. Um, that plane just got struck by lightning and I just saw someone falling feet from the sky. Um, and so they asked for permission to go check it out. Here's the problem. They are, uh, to use the same example that we just painted. If you, with your nukes, were living in two bedrooms of my house, you do not have jurisdiction elsewhere, just in those two bedrooms. So even if you witnessed a plane crash in the living room, it's not your job. Yeah, all you can do is be like, Hey, someone clean that up. Hey, by the way, I don't know if you guys heard, that's a plane crash in the living room. I can't do anything about it, though. I don't, can't get past this baby gate. Um. And so they had to go up. Like, is that what you tell your wife whenever she's like, would you please pick up after yourself or over here and you're like, that's not my jurisdiction, I don't have jurisdiction over that area. You want something done in the backyard or the garage or my office, that's my jurisdiction, but downstairs that belongs to her. This is your jurisdiction. No, the girl, that's the ghosts. That's the ghost jurisdiction. Um, next time a B may is out trying to fix something in my basement. A B May, Oh, I'm sorry, you're not a homeowner. That was the girl's name. I thought you went from pretending that ghosts didn't exist to referencing or I didn't know. Yeah, the next time out is a company that like. They do home warranties and they fixed like your water heater. You know about that. Yeah, whatever, anyways. Uh, so the they needed, they needed to go out there, but they weren't supposed to write. It's yet there. It's not to understand the analogy. Um. And so, uh, luckily the commanding officer at the time was just like yeah, go ahead, and so they went. And so they went out there, drove out into the forest, uh, to check it out. Let's see what happened, and they saw this kind of light illuminating from within the forest and as they got closer they were expecting to find a fire, a fire, it's a down crash that they expected. Well, that's not what they found. Uh. Tell me what they found, Tim Uh. They found a craft. Um. It was a kind of craft, back and cheese necklace. Triangular craft was stilts at each of the points that it had landed on on these stilts, Um, and it had almost like a UH. It was described as looking as if it was like black glass. The whole thing was black glass. Um, and it was. It wasn't huge, but it wasn't smaller. I mean it was probably smaller than an F eighteen, but bigger than a Prius, you know, you know the typical things people used, the size objects. It's probably smaller than a ten, bigger than a Prius, somewhere around uh, for an expedition. Sure now you're checking. Um, this is decently large. Um. What was interesting is as they got closer to this thing, Um, uh, there was some interesting Um things that they were noting the trees around them. Did they say it was? I don't know, I don't I don't remember ever seeing a record of how hall it was. Um, yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't know that. Um, but they noted that the trees around it seemed to have been affected by its landing, like they were like scuffed or something, you know. And Uh, what's phenomenal about this is there was a group of three soldiers, sergeant and two lower ranking officers, that went out to investigate this. And the sergeant said, I'm going to try to get closer, get closer. Look, you guys, hang back here. I'M gonna try to get closer and he described us. As he tried to get closer, he described that Um, uh, he started feeling really wonky. He said he almost had like it almost felt kind of like Vertigo E or or like walking, felt like he was walking underwater. Um, and so it's really strange feelings, almost some sort of field, if you will. Um. Yeah, or like he was after Christmas. Yeah, December, twenty six day after Um, and so it's just as likely, but go ahead. So, as he uh, gets closer, he said there came a point where he got pretty much right up on this object and all of a sudden that effect just dissipated and and then he said things got really eerily quiet. Once he got closer to it and he was able to actually reach out and touch it and he felt this thing and he walked around the back of it Um and was just kind of examining it and he said it was really strange because, he said it it did. It look like black glass, but it was like, when you felt it, it felt like metal, but there was no rivets, there was no like weld points or anything that showed that it was like construct together. It was almost like it was three D printed. He didn't have the words for that. I just thought of that. Good example. Great job, Tim Uh, the counseling's working man. Look at you affirming yourself. He went around the back and on the back there was this uh, there was a what do you call it? A inscription, if you will. He's telling me these aliens got bomber stickers. There was an inscription and it said follow Jesus this close. You were going, yeah, my son's an eagle scout or whatever. So the inscription. Yeah, so there's an inscription on the back of it and he described it as being almost like, uh, it was like a pictographed like like like hieroglyphics, and so there's like shapes and triangles, like this is a spaceship that has n't has hard and he said it was etched and he said was really interesting because, like you, you felt the whole craft and it was smooth, super smooth metal, like glass. But then when you got over that part, he said, it felt like sandpaper. Um, and it was like etched in, like they actually scratched out these symbols. Um. And so he felt used to those symbols. Um. And then, uh, he kind of took a step back and turned back to talk to his team and this thing takes off and zooms out between the trees, uh, and then just kind of takes off into the sky. Um, and then left him there. Yeah, I just ditched. Uh. And they went back to base and told everyone the story of what they witnessed and everybody made fun of him. They said, Y'all are stupid as that. There's there. Remember, they're in their own room. Nobody else is there. So one of the other Americans on this was like stupid Americans, stupid Americans, like you're one of us, not tonight, I'm not, not when you say stuff like that, um. And so have you told anyone else about this? Yeah, let's keep this between us. Yes, the secret. So they didn't file a report on this. After this event, the rumors were getting around. Everybody was kind of joking about this UFO. That was seen right. Um. Well, a couple of days later, on December twenty, they're having their Christmas party and they invited the UK's over, is that? They invited the UK's? Yeah, they said, Hey, big Christmas party, U K is welcome. Hey, I don't know about everybody else, but as far as I go, U K is okay. You know, that is so dumb. Uh. They were like you can come to our party. So that yeah, they invited them. Where they threw their party? They were giving out there, there, handing out there year in England, in the UK, I think. So when is their New Year? I think it's the same January one. I hope you can hear me typing the you can't, okay. So it was a summer twenty eight thing. Through this big party, everybody was welcome, all the UK's, all the Americans, none of the Irish. And what they did, uh, and it was like it was like the there's the big year in Party and they were giving out awards to everybody. It was like why did you give me Alex both? I don't know what we're laughing at. I'm glad you're going to trying to say year in. He said there's the big year in Party. You're in, and I looked like did I? Alex's face was like yeah, he said you're in the believe it in. That's funny. That's really funny. All right. Well, so there's the big year in and what they're doing? They're doing their little superlatives, like their local general is like best improved. Yeah, Best Army, biggest idiot, that guy who said they're UFO. What? Yeah, and so he's given out all these superlatives, right, and the second command, the Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt, was in there, you know, basically first command, because the other guy was occupied giving out the awards. That's how it works. Yeah, Oh, the president's giving out awards right now. So I am president. Yeah, anytime like a president is like reading the children or something. Vice President sitting in the corner, like this is my time. He just over there, like if you knew anything to talk to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, president, thank you. Yeah, this is yeah, this is me. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show. Make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment. Uh, if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh. It's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff. And there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites, but thanks for being here. So, uh, the UH Lieutenant Colonel Charles Hall is uh, it's the acting commander right. Uh. And UH, one of the people, because obviously how many people had seen the aircraft? Three people. Well, there's three people who saw it, and then there was their commanding officer. That was like their basic aison. He didn't see it, but he was on radio with them. There's one guy who touched it. One Guy who touched it, she was standing looking at it. That actually saw it as well. Yeah, and then one that was talking to the monsh though I don't know if he saw the plane crash, Um, but he directed them as they yeah, Um, and so, uh, the way this party worked is obviously everybody there's the group that was partying, and then there was the group, the have nots, that lost the away competition, and they to keep watch over the base. Thank you for a big brother reference. I like that. And so they had to watch over the base while everybody else got the party. Uh. And one of them comes in and he's like Hey, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt Um, talked to each other. He's a Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt Uh. That thing is back, the UFO thing. Uh. And he was like, okay, I'm gonna put this to rest. He's like, he's like this this is the guy who had not seen it. Yeah, he hadn't seen it. He's the second in command over the whole base. Um. And he is a like he was pretty yeah, sick of this. I'm tired of you kids and your Ufos and your punk rock and your hair. Uh. He said, we're shaving your head and I'm proving the aliens don't exist. And so he gets a little group together and they grab a camera, a tape recorder, a Geiger counter Um and a star scope Um, because he was like, I'm going out there and I'm getting in a logical explanation for what we're seeing right now. It was his his plan, Um, and he bought the tape recorder too, because he was one of those guys who just tape recorded everything he did. Um, and so he was the guy where you go like out to dinner and he pulled his tape recorder and be like like whisper something in his tape recorder during the meal and then slide that back in his coat pocket. That was, you know, Golly, I wish I was hotter because I would have what. I wish I was hotter because I would have used tinder to do weird stuff like that, like that, like on a first date, just pull out to and just be like, Um, we're at a Sushi restaurant and she asked for water but didn't get a little bit. Uh. Date is going well. We're at hours, but first initial flags are she she eats weird her lips quiver in a strange fashion while she choose, and I don't really like that. So note that for date two subjects has gone to the band. Subject has gone to the bathroom three times, just calling her subject the whole it was so funny I couldn't get it out, just like our joke earlier subject it. Just call her subject the whole time. That's what I'm saying. I would have done weird stuff like that, like like get her to talk about something deeply, but I wasn't hot enough to use dating apps like this. If I got swiped on, I had to capitalize on it. You know, you couldn't bring a tape recorder. You did, but you had to hold it. Yeah, that was under the table tape record. I'm you know. And what level of hot do you gotta be to bring that above the you know, just be like all right here above the table hot? I'm yeah, I don't think anyway. So I'm gonna, I'M gonna catch these aliens red handed. Improved that. It was just lightning. Um. Uh. And so they go out there and, UH, they're on patrol, walking around. He's got a camera, like an eye can, like the eyeball camera, visual camera. This is the brand new eyeball. Came right and it's literally just stop. My brain couldn't do. But he does have a camera. Yeah, it's a camera, not a CAM quarter camera. He's gonna Take Yeah. So, uh, there wasn't like those home cam quarters. I mean there was, but they were cumbersome. And the military wasn't about them? I don't know, I'm not sure. anyways, so he goes, they're out on patrol. He's got a little little group with him, a handful of people, of other officers, and none of these people in this group saw the first incident. No, this isn't a totally different group of I mean none of nobody in any groups saw anything, but we'll go ahead. So they they go out and they're searching. They're not finding anything. So they decided to go back to the site of the original landing, the landing site, and so in the in the tape recording, this has been the tape recording has since been, uh, declassified freedom of Information Act, so you can listen to the whole thing, uh, and in you hear him as they go to a landing site. He kind of makes fun of it. He's like, okay, we're going to head over to the landing site. Um. And so they go and they get this is my fear, though. One of my fears is that I'll be the one of us that encounters an alien, one like you and me, and then I'll come and try to tell you about it and then you'll be skeptical you know. So they go to the landing site, Um, and when they get there, uh, they were surprised to find that there were in fact some markings on the trees and so they tested them and there was uh like a heat signature on the trees on like the thermal camera that they that they brought to test it, as if it had been warm recently. But only in that spot where there were the abrasions of Um. In that landing site there was the three Uh indentations on the ground from where those, uh, the landing spikes or whatever you would call them, were supposedly landed. And this was significant because, um one it was very clearly in the shape of a triangle, just as they described. So they were right where you would expect them to be based on the description. They were about the size of a Ford Explorer, Um. And so its it matched what they described. But even more significant than at uh, this is December in England, and so the ground was hard and so this isn't the sort of thing where, like, tree brands could fall and indent Um. This was something where it had a deliberately like with a decent bit of weight, indent to push that down. And so they took photos of that. They turned on some flashlights to photos and they got photos of each of those indentations, the damages on the trees, and they were there, um, using all of the tools that they brought to gather readings of this landing site, on the trees, the indentations, the quote unquote, actual landing site. Another significant thing is they gathered Um, they got the Geiger counter, uh, and they noted above level, above normal levels of radiation at the landing site, but not anywhere outside the landing site. Um, it wasn't dangerous levels. It was just above normal background radiation levels and a significant piece on this sidebar Um, even though it wasn't technically a Um dangerous level of radiation. A couple of the people who had witnessed this event Um had developed cancers later in life and one of them specifically Um Approach The v a looking for Um medical assistance for injuries sustained while in service due to this event. Um for that and I went to the V a. It was like Hey, aliens radio. The V A was like over those benefits and the V A was like, we have a form for this. You'RE gonna want to film that. Fill out form three, a guarantee. They have that. The A is for alien. Would we all put that together? No, and what happened was he went through the process and he actually ended up getting medical assistance for that. And the documentation, Um says. The documentation says, uh, medical benefits for h exposure to ufo levels of radiation. Just saying so, at least the government, at least they're acknowledged. You got radiated by a UFO. Whether that's an alien ufo, I don't know, but you got radiated by that UFO. So here's some money. Radiated as a verb. Oh yeah, Bro, you got radiated. So anyways, so that's an interesting little subject. Subjects. So signs of being radiated by aliens. Okay, I think we're done here. Okay. So, UM, so they're examining this site right, yes, as they have been for the past five minutes of your story. Yes, and they're looking at the Indians, they're looking at the trees. Yeah, they're gathering data, real data. Said this four times. And so then, as they're doing this, uh, one of them says hey, do you guys see that? And there's a light in the sky and it's flickering. It's flashes. Do you guys see that? Do you guys? No, we don't see that. It's just you. Who are you talking to? Bro? It's just you here. You're here alone in the forest. There's no base. Subject is alone in the woods. So, uh, they don't start describing this flickering light in the distance, Um. And they're recording this all on their audio recording and you can see, you can hear the tone uh start to shift a little as they are watching this, uh, this flashing light in the distance and uh, they start saying like, oh, the animals in one of the neighboring farms are losing it. They said, they're all going crazy, they're making a lot of noise. And then you hear him say, like there's there's something splitting off from it. There are like objects or metal or something splitting off from, Um, uh, the light. And he says it's it's orange, it's green. It's like flickering between a couple of colors. And they said, Oh, it's definitely heading towards us. And so he says, let's get the star scope out, let's measure the distance a star scope. It's like a little it's like binoculars, but it's just one. It's telescope. Uh Uh. Star scope is that thing you have with a kid where you put it up to your eye and you twist it and it's just like the glitter inside and it just goes back and forth. It's like, let's check that thing. I swear there's one person in the woods with a tape recorder and a kaleidoscope and they're just like you're not gonna believe what I saw. You're right. So far nothing's compelling. It's binoculars, but without the first they're JUSTN ocular. So they're they're looking at then ocular and the thing about a star scope is star scopes they are designed to Um for sniper us, to judge the distance of something. Right. So it tells them how far something is from them. And so they used the star scope to identify, Oh hey, this thing is coming towards us, because they saw that that number too, can down as it was traveling towards them, and they noted that there was almost like there was this bright outer light and then there was an inner light that was dimmer than the outer light of this whatever this object was Um and as the signing goes on, they watch it come closer to them and get a lot closer to them. And then they said there was like a beam of light that came down from it. Um, and all this other stuff of it moving around whatever. Blah, blah, blah. It's just moving. They saw it for a while and they were amazed and Um, and then uh, and then it jets off really quickly and in his behold this night in Bethlen born, in the city of David. Have you done the have you done the play? Do you remember it? Okay, and yeah, we've all done that, right, the church play, when you have to someone says the whole speech. anyways. No, I was baby Jesus for that. Yeah, and they cast me his baby Jesus Thet Wow, yeah, you beat Jesus. Don't say anything. The more it picture, the worst it. Kids just wrapped in her cloth. The girl has to like wrap you. Thank you. Just live. I was the youngest kid in the church. There was no other options. What sucked, is it? There was a kid who was like four ft tall and he should have done it, but I was six three and I was like all right, all right, so Jesus. Actually, I'M gonna make that shirt Jesus. Yeah, okay. So he writes his report and he puts that report onto his superiors and in that report, Um, at that moment of this part of the siding where it left, he wrote speed impossible, because he said that that Um, there's nothing that he knows, that knows of that can go that fast. Um. And something significant about this is, uh, obviously these are military personnel and this lieutenant colonel is a high ranking military dude who's defenct and he went out there to prove this wrong. Um. And within this whole thing they got real data of radiation levels, heat signatures, distance, is photographs, the tape recording of the whole yeah, so it's one of the better documented events in the UFO phenomena world. UH, from some people who h or what you would call qualified observers. The first the first guy who saw it. He was actually the guy on base who would identify enemy crafts, craft crafts, enemy crafts. He'd say, yeah, that's uh, that uh, I got Min ocular. Some Getting Min ocular. I need to understand what that craft is. Oh, that's some clay. Hear Rings. Now. He was the guy wh would look up at this guy and see a plane from a distance and figure out what it was. Uh. And so he he knew what all kinds of planes look like just by looking at him. Go, keep going. Okay, so anyways, uh, what significant? Uh is what? I don't I keep waiting for you to finish sentences. I don't know, man, right. Is this significant that these are military people who would have known if it was something military related? Yes, yes, Um, ooka that we finished each other sentences. Are we soul mates? Yeah, if souls existed. So here's the deal. There's a couple of possibilities of what was going on here. Obviously, aliens is the most likely. Obus some skeptics have come forward with their interpretations of the possibility. Obviously you have the more famous, like ball lightnings or some sort of atmospheric phenomena that we don't understand yet. or like group, Um Hysteria, Um, they were in the woods, or just a general hoax. Um. But this group is less likely to make a get together and be like hey, let's make something up. That was one of the that was the game. That was the Christmas there like party game. They didn't invite us to the party. Let's make something up and make them feel like they missed something. Cool. Uh. And then Uh. But one of the more uh, Bona fide theories is that what they saw was there's a lighthouse at the other end of the forest. That you know how lighthouses work, like, Dude, this thing keeps shows up like every couple of seconds. Yeah, and it was. What they were seeing was that lighthouse in the distance. The issue with this is it doesn't explain the landing site stuff. Um. And also you would expect that these people are here every day. They wouldn't know that that lighthouse is there, UM, right. So you would expect that they would. Maybe it hadn't been run before. Oh, this was the first night that they turned it on. We built this whole lighthouse been standing here for a couple hundred years. Maybe we should turn that on, that lighthouse. Uh. The other thing is they captured it on that uh, the star Scipe, and they were capturing the distances of it. It was getting closer, Um, and so that's I don't know, that's the more accepted conclusion of what this is. Uh. You talked to any of the witnesses and all of them say, uh, no way, we knew that. Yeah, they're not super old. No, yeah, they're all still alive. Okay, they're AL still alive. Um, all of them. This was kind of a shaking event. Most of them didn't talk about it until after they retired. Um, with the question of the reports that they had to give of the incident. Um, they kind of didn't talk about it. And the reason why they talked, they say that, is because, I mean, this is the sort of thing that, yeah, people will think you're crazy and then you it's a career limiting move to and forward with something like this. And so, but now that they're all retired, they're coming forward and actually recounting their stories. Uh, Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcasts, spotify, Youtube. You'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators. Uh, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight. Six six thank you so much for being here. That's where things get weird is when you hear them talk about it now. Okay, because now it's almost like you compare what they say now with their reports and the reports are like they were sugarcoating it a little bit Um because they were like, we don't want to mess up our career and so I'm not going to tell the whole story here. And that's where it starts to it starts to hurt, I don't know if I would say the credibility. It hurts the credibility of what they're saying now because what they're saying now doesn't quite match that report. Um, the lieutenant colonel, for one. Um, he says there's not a possible world where that was a human built craft. It was very clearly intelligently piloted, because the way it was moving through the trees and the way it was interacting with us as if it knew we were there. It was very clearly clearly piloted by some sort of intelligence and it was significantly faster and quieter than anything we could build even today. And so he says there's not a doubt in my mind that it was of extraterrestrial origin. But he also thinks that someone broke into his house last year. A dresses grimace from McDonald's. What you know, the Purple Guy From McDonald's, grimace? Yeah, but why? What is it I'm thinking. I'm saying, like we can't tell what he said, because he also believes that Grimm is broke into his house. No, he doesn't. Just trying to be like yeah, you're like. Well, I mean now his story is a little different. It says there's no way that it couldn't be an alien, but he also believes some other crazy things. Well, his his side of it is he's just, he's and most of them are like yeah, there's no way it was human. The Guy who touched the craft, his story is the one where it's like, all right, what's can we believe you? is the thought. So here's here's what he says. Now. He says he went and he touched that craft and he says when he touched he went around, he touched the letters. He describes it, and I'M gonna be honest with you, this is the part where I'm like, uh, he touched the letters and he describes it as a download. He says I touched those letters and uh, from that point forward he was like, I saw binary, like binary code, and he went home and he at that night he drew in his notebook what he saw, like the craft and the etchings you were saying. He went home and he just wrote out the binary code that he was seeing and that's crazy. Well, then he did, he did, he did, yeah, yeah, and you're like look how, look, look how the Gossane I am, look how I'm completely. Well, here's the thing. He's never this is the only house, this is the only instance of anything like this he's ever done. And the government in their report they took the leaflets of his pictures and of the drawings he made, the symbols Um, and of all of the binary and that's included in that declassified report is the little leaflets that he drew Um and for whatever reason, I don't know if he forgot about it or he didn't know what he was writing or whatever, um, but he said that with the binary he said that he saw it until he finished writing it and then it just went away. He said, I had a piercing headache. I saw it until I finished writing it out and then once I finished writing it out, the headache went away. I stopped seeing it and he said I closed the book and I wanted to forget about it because I didn't want to lose my career. Uh. And so he never touched it. Thirty years later, after he retires, he's doing an interview and in the interview they asked to see that notebook because he still has it um. And so he's like yeah, sure, and so he shows them the drawings and the guy doing the interview was like, what the heck is that? Like Binary Code, like, what is that? Because he was just going to not acknowledge it. And he's like, Oh, yeah, that's the download. That's the download. So just just going to the bathroom three times. Commencing Download. I'm sorry, did you say commencing download? Uh, subject to hurt me, speaking too long, attempting to be more quiet. Yeah, attempting to delete memory. I can see the tape recorder having supported on the table. So subject doesn't see me. Subject has left. Uh. And so the guy doing the interview was like this is a significant part of the story. Yeah, well, I don't know why you weren't interested in this. Yeah, okay, and so well, he goes yeah, but if I told the government the aliens downloaded something, I would immediately lose my job. Yeah, I would immediately get cut open on a table, and for sure, I mean I would cut him open on a table at Golden Corral. Get up here, come here, a little binary guy. And so uh. So that interviewer in that whatever program that was on, like CBS or whatever. Um, it was like, yeah, we're gonna get this figured out. Can I like take a copy, some copies of that? And it's like sure, whatever. They sent it off to some computer programmer who translated it out, uh, and basically it was like thirty years for an advertisement. That's a good check. So the translation uh came through and it was uh like the one face you made. Go ahead, is earth exploration or exploration of humane of the UM UH starting date eighties, six ten uh, and then coordinates all over the world, um of a lot of places that didn't make a lot of sense, but of some places of either religious or like historic significance. So things like Um uh temples in Rome or the Pyramids at Giza or Um some of the pyramid at Memphis, Tennessee. Uh. So just historical and religiously significant locations throughout the world and then some other stuff that we didn't understand. Uh, and then like a mythical island that, uh, this the site of a mythical island that doesn't exist but according to like norse mythology, was like a very significant place. They call it the Nordic Atlantis, which we did an episode. Um, that could be related to that with the what was that? Remember? No, remember that. Uh, next to England and between Norwegia and England. There's that. What was that called? It had a really weird name. That continent that is underwater now. Um, what was that called? It was like a little and it had a really weird name and it was like super shallow water because there was another continent there like a long time ago, in the Ice Age. What are you talking about? Oh, man, no, no, it was older than that. Um, I don't think. Yeah, we did an episode of Dogger Land, Dogger Land, dog earland. Did we mention that in the Atlantis episode there? No, we had an episode about maybe maybe we mentioned it. Yeah, we made we made a joke about it being uh, dog to bounty hunters theme park. That's right, welcome to dog okay, anyways, that's not important. So there's alien code has GPS locations of a bunch of spots all over us. Theme Park. Yeah, yeah, where to find bounty, dog, bounty together everywhere. We've seen Dr so here's my problem with this. UH, binary is a human thing. Uh and sure, maybe, and sure, sure, aliens could come and learn it. They could watch US and learn binary. Sure, UM, why would they speak that? Yeah, and then this download thing. I don't know. Well, he is the only one with a different opinion than everybody else in that group. Everybody's like that was an alien space ship, and he's like, he was house, yeah, the lighthouse, and I got binary from stay away from him. The houses are weird, man. He he is convinced that it was humans that time traveled, and so he says. He says that must be the date when they started time traveling, and all these significant spots are the significant he's like, maybe that was their travel manifest in their time travel thing where they were going to Nordic Atlantis. It will be there when they go to that if it existed. And so he's convinced that it was us and that's why they used binary to download it. Interesting. I don't know. Is. He's the only one with the different shake. That whole storyline of the binary thing, though, was not originally part of the story. That's the part I don't believe. The rest of it, Um, I think it's it's it's documented Um by both the United States military and the UK military. Okay, uh. They have both since declassified their documents and they line up, they match uh, and they were witnessed by, Um, the high level military brass who understand what they're looking at and they could not explain it by any conventional understanding of any means. And what's what's also significant is when you look at both the reports from the United States and from the UK, they both in the reports talked about contacting the other nation to be like hey, were you testing something here? And they're like Oh no, you. Are you testing something here? Uh, and both of them were like no, this wasn't us. Uh. And as far as we know there's nothing that matches it, um in terms of like a technological advancement, since Um that puts off a similar radiation level or anything like that, Um, and moves at those kind of speeds. UH, since this has happened. So it's one of the more UM incredible ufhone encounters that we have on record. That's the Rendalston forest in the incident. It is now, uh, the what do you call it? The rendell Shim Forest is owned by the Ye, the UK, uh, I don't know what they call it, the Department of Forests, I guess. I don't know. Department forests, the Forestry Commission. The Forestry Commission. They they had a lottery, like they had like a normal lottery, and with the proceeds from the pro seeds for that lottery, they established the UFO trail. Um, and now there's a trail that goes through it, Um, honoring the ufos that existed there, and they built like a little uh uh. Yeah, and it's supposed to look like it's supposedly it looks like what the Ufo that they witnessed looks like. Uh. And this is uh, this is it. This is supposedly, allegedly, what the UFO looks like. Gosh, I cannot rack and drop this. Thank you. Ah. And the the UFO trail and there's a little glyphs on the back of it that he touched download and if you go um, I think. I think this is smaller than it actually was. But if you go and you touch those glyphs, you'll get the download too. I got the download. All right. We gotta go on a trip then. Yeah, we gotta go to the UFO trail see if we see this. Um, it looks to me like an orange peeler or like an orange juicer. Yeah, you juice it. Um, we're a weird hat. Yeah, I can see that too. Um, but yeah, the renaissent forest, forest incident. Oh, you want to listen to the tape we got to take? Yeah, I was wondered the whole time. The whole time. You can't mention these tapes, and you did this whole plug in your computer thing and they were getting to the end and I was like, are you just about to fill of this off with you know? Yeah, when you did, you see me look at that whenever you mentioned the tapes. Yeah, you said we've got it on tape, and I went, I saw that plug. Sure, okay, here we go to making a lot of noise. Yeah, when St Right at this position here, wait, wait, wait, time, wait, slow down, clow down, where right in this position here, like that guy. I really started talking slower, dude, Betty. Yeah, there it is again. Watch throw the head off my flash. There it is. I see it too. What is it? We don't know. Strange small red light look maybe a quarter to a half maybe before they're at I think it's gone now. It was approximate eastress. Is it back again? Yes, slash light said. I'M gonna jump ahead a little bit. In this Um this guy talks like he's telling a Christmas story and I really I could listen to him all night. So I saw yellow tanging it too. Weird, a little bit this way. Weird. I see a little bit of yellow in it and there's a there's a red light, there's a little bit of yellow in it. Weird. Now it's gone, now it's back, now it's gone's back, now it's gone. This is the White House, is no doubt about it. This is weird. There is no doubt about it. This is weird. There's no do about it. What's interesting is like, if you contrast this too early, when they're like collecting their dad, like the way they're engaging with each other is totally different. Now, okay, like you, I can just they're freaking out like little middle schoolers, out like sasquats hunting at night. Yeah, now, like, oh my gosh, yeah, let me see if I can find a you can hype yourself into that kind of same thing with paranormal stuff. You can hype yourself into believing them. Any just seven tests there. Right. We find a smat what looks like a blasted are struct ferry. Here we're getting very positive craze to see. Is that you're the center. Yes, go along, and who is that? Don't even swamp person have happage shift badge. So there's a whole crowd of that's really weird. I'll tell you what. This is just soap bonkers and weird. And there's something that I never thought my whole military career. I see chap paper Pert. That's that's sounds like there's just some dude over. They're like talking in binary. Somebody translate that. That's another that's another thing. There's no doubt about it. Hold up to take this out. Here we go. Harry comes from the sick. He's coming towards now, coming down to the ground. I don't know, thirty and the objects. You're still in the sky. They're the one in the side. Looks like there's a little bit of altitude we'll turning around, hitting back toward the base, still being down lights to the ground. It's really weird. Be well, now I got his voice down. You know, my next date with my girlfriend's gonna be pretty weird. Subject has it put too much soy sauce on her poke bowl. This is really weird subject. Maybe buy her a large bowl, but she's only gonna eat half of it. I could have saved three dollars if I bought the cheaper one. There's no doubt about it. This is weird. There is no doubt about it. Here's the thing. They're very clearly a little surprised about what they're seeing. Um, I don't know. And then they see a beam and then they're like, oh, it's coming at us in the we're going on, Whoa, I see a beam right now. It's crazy, there seems. And you know what happens? In twenty years, someone's gonna do a whole show on the yeah, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you were the Space Tim Studio encounter, yeah, no, nobody would believe you, and I if we, if we were military, Lieutenant girl, well, maybe that's what we need to do. then. Yeah, let's go let's going to require some military, military for the purpose of creating elaborate hoax. That'll actually be a pretty good bit. And then we write all the ones and Zeros Ryan a notebook, eyes doing the whole weird like translate this subody translates it for the law. There you go. Things that the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Kleb but Goldberg, and our social media is run by Kayla Barker. 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