In the early 1900s, a respected doctor made a discovery that would lead to a 2,000-page religious text—and eventually, a popular tea brand found in grocery stores across America. The story of Urantia and Celestial Seasonings blends religion, science, sleep talking, and spiritual mystery into one of the strangest faith movements of the 20th century. This is the story behind … Read More
Sleep-Talking Cult Leader: The Urantia Book & Celestial Seasonings Tea
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00:00 Hey, thanks for listening to the things I learned last night. It's my favorite thing to do. My second favorite to do is stand up comedy. And so we love for you to cover those shows this month. I am in Houston, Plano. That's in Texas, Kingsport, Tennessee, Fredericksburg, Virginia, Charlotte, North Carolina, Milton, West Virginia. Where's that at? Huh? Raleigh, North Carolina. It's in West Virginia, Indianapolis, Omaha, St. Louis and Springfield, Missouri. So 00:28 March twenty second, I am in Nashville, Tennessee, filming my comedy special. It got rescheduled and there's two shows on that Sunday. If you're within driving distance, put on a couple episodes, make the drive, come to the special taping. I'd love to see you there. So thanks for coming to shows. Let's get into the episode. I mean, what's going on? Have you ever heard of your rancia? 00:50 I don't know if that's how it's pronounced your Antia. I'm pretty sure it's your Ancia. Okay, you're right. Okay, so for audio listener, he's showing me a logo that looks like the target logo, but it's blue and it's your Antia. Yeah, you know you are a in Tia. So what is the and it's all like this. They tried. They did this logo thing where the you blends in with the R and it's very. This gives me two thousand ah 01:19 two thousand six. Oh interesting. What judging by this, I'm curious what you think. What do you think this is? I would guess this is some kind of ah my not a tech company, but something that does like, you know, it has something to do with the table of elements. You know, I'm talking about like they, they, were yeah, but like 01:46 science tech like a futuristic chemical kind of that. What I'm thinking yeah interesting, interesting gas. Do you use your mind change at all when you see this graphic from them? Oh no, is this just a cult because now it's that same blue logo that looks like the target logo and it says live in peace and love in the middle and it's got all the logos of different religions. So it's got a cross. It's got 02:13 you know, the yin yang, it's got the manor on there. Cool. All right. And then in the larger circle, it says goodness, truth and beauty. This is a cult. Let's hear it. Okay. Okay. This has every religion's little. mean, not every religion, I guess, but yeah, all the major ones. What about this? 02:39 several books you and I we're illiterate and that's normal cannot over emphasize how normal that show us I can't take off your pants and show us your tattoo I can't I can't are you in this cult things I learned last night 03:09 Okay, so this is the sleepy time herbal tea. You know what thought? You know, the sleepy time tea worth a little bear that's sitting in his little chair, a celestial, celestial season. You get it every time you feel sick. Yeah, you drink. No, we have this our house all the time. I love them and tea is great. We love a tea. No, but you drink the sleepy time when you feel sick. They have other things for normal time that might for normal. 03:33 Oh, this is sleepy time. Yeah, one of the sleepy times and me a little sweepy time. Oh no, I can't drink sleepy time right now. I need normal time. That's what it's called. Is there stuff in it that helps you fall asleep or is it just caffeine free? I don't know if I know about. I'm honestly not sure actually what. How does the tea relate to what we're talking about? We'll see. uh So to tell the story, we need to go back. Okay, eleven 04:02 I feel like this is going to end with the people drinking sleep with time to like a like a Jonestown Kool-Aid type situation. Is that where we're going? Interesting theory. We're like, ever heard of this? It'd be like, if you were like, you ever heard of this guy? I'm not like, okay. And then we were like, no, I haven't Tom Jones. And then you were like, hold on. Is that not his name? Is it Tom Jones? What's new pussy cat? What's new? That might be. Yeah. 04:30 what I would join is called. What's the jose town called jose town called founder. It's the blanket. Jim Jones Jim Barry. was like I was like I said it. I was like I know that's not right. I was like gosh I can't remember his name though. I really like the ultimate universe where Tom Jones did his whole music career and then did Jim Jones and then you were like okay but also do you know this picture of the cool a man 04:59 I go, that's crazy. Did he voice him or something and you would go, ah, let's get into the story, you know, like that or something I worry about. Yeah, it's not that it's not that severe. Okay, okay. Okay. I'll say that for sure. It's not that severe. Okay, so 1911 there's this physician in Chicago by the name of William S Sadler. Okay, so a normal guy. He is a normal doctor. Here's his wife, Lena, Lena Sadler and normal. That's him. 05:27 and that's their kid as their your joke was that is not. Why does she look photoshopped into the background? I think they cut the background of this photo for some reason. I don't know why they did because like you can kind of see the railing behind them. I guess I think they cut it out. I'm not really sure why they did for some reason. They did. They lived in Chicago and he was a physician and he it's it's important to state that they were normal. 05:56 like normal doctors. Okay. It's important just to get ahead for the beginning of this that there and listen normal. 06:07 regular doctors just regular normal doctor people not a chiropractor. Yeah, yeah, normal. Yes, exactly. Okay. And Sadler was interesting because he, he, he was a surgeon. He was, and this is something you can't do anymore. A self trained physician. Yeah, that's true. 06:34 and then he also became an author writing. He looks your hey being a self trained physician is not something you can do. Yeah, no, you can't keep legal. uh I have thought about this a lot though, like prep preparing for this because like in my line of work writing code, a lot of people you meet like it really is fifty fifty like people who went and got a computer science degree and people who are self taught like there are a lot of people in this career that are self taught. 07:04 and it's just not so you can see in a lot of and certain careers like you. If you meet a doctor and they say I'm self taught like you run away, stand up comedy. We've all gone through stand up comedy school every single one of us. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Thanks for see that's a career that you have to be trained barely. It's not really a career, but you do have to be true. 07:33 podcasting. They just sold this stuff to us to Amazon. We're like, let's buy some podcasts, mics and you know what? They shipped them. Yeah, they didn't ask us anything. They asked us, they weren't like, are you going to spread misinformation? That's detrimental to the society and then to ultimately create a vision that maybe can't be repaired. Uh, no, I didn't even have to check a box. I literally just went by now, but on the Costco credit card, I'm never going to pay that off. 08:05 you 08:09 Okay, so William Sadler, but these guys are normal. This is a normal doctor train himself. Yeah doctor. This was a time where that was relatively normal that you learn by yourself and how you learn on your own. How you self teach medicine? I don't know, but he also was an accomplished author. That's why you haven't done it. How you teach yourself? I don't know. Oh really? Yeah, but if you knew you do it, you know what's crazy is my neighbor's a dentist. 08:39 Yeah, I told you this before. Yeah, my neighbor manages a dental office and but she's like a full dentist in the Philippines. Yeah, like everything. Yeah, right. But then to come here, there's no like, you know, abbreviated program or test or anything that can prove that you know what you're doing. Yeah, she has to do the full eight years of dental school all over again. If she wants to practice here in the States, it's wild. Yeah, you know, 09:05 so now she just manages a dental office, even though she knows everything you know, because teeth don't change. That's not a field that changes. I don't know if you know yeah they don't, but they don't really their teeth have been the same for a long time. Have you thought about how crazy it is that like dentists have? I'm very I don't know how to say this out loud. Yeah, let's hear it. Dentists have. I don't know how to say this out loud without sounding crazy. 09:35 Oh, we can't. We're all tuned in. Tim, I think it's just very peculiar to me that somewhere along the line and I don't know when or where I don't know the history. So this is literally just my brain being crazy. So this might be something I shouldn't put out in public, but I'm uh man dentists managed to carve out this one tiny little part of the human body and say, this is ours. Doctors, you can't do this. This is us. We're the specialists of this and you can't touch this, but like 10:05 like if you go to any other hospital, like you go to hospital. Yeah, there are specialists who specialize like podiatrists specialize in the fact that dentists aren't at the hospital. That is crazy. Yeah, they're like thinking about it. Yeah, they're like this is ours and it's not including your health insurance. Yeah, if you go to the hospital, it's in my body. Yeah, if you go to the hospital, the doctor's like well, it's your teeth. We can't. is interesting. You're have to go to the dentist. That's really weird to me. 10:29 like that's really weird. Yeah, there's an orthopedic surgeon who's there. They can do everything your nose and throat doctor at the hospital, the foot doctor at the hospital, even like your eyes, like you go to the eye doctor for your glasses, but like if something happens to eyes, you still go to the hospital. The optometrist is like that's our you can't go to hospital for that. That's very weird to me. I don't know why or how that happened. Well, I think it's because I think you know it's what's the guy that we talked to was the dentist that we just story on here. Then 10:56 necklace of teeth. I don't remember his name, but yeah, the crazy teeth guy. Yeah, yeah, he was Tom Jones. Maybe Thomas midger doctor. Doctor, what's that? Was it Thomas midgley? Is that his name? No, I don't think it was Thomas midgley. I don't remember, but you know, I think that it was a service that like, you know, you would end up with these traveling guys who tooth pain was pretty common. Yep, yep, yep. And these guys could pull your teeth, but they've 11:25 couldn't fix your broken bones. Yeah, and so they figured out like if I get you drunk enough, I can pull this tooth out. Yeah, yeah, like that's you know, that's that's what dentistry was for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, here drink this. Yep, because it's the one thing that you saw. It's not like you can be like all right, bite down on this while I snap your bone back in place. It's like now I gotta get you drunk. I gotta get you drunk. 11:54 then I can take care of that tooth. You know that is interesting that they're not a hospitals. It's free. Is that weird? I think you're probably right. I think it's probably something about. I it has to do with just yeah, how everything kind of came together through all the stuff. Yeah, it's there's so many things in our society that are just like yeah, we did this this way in the eighteen hundreds and that's why now we just do it that way. Yeah, yeah, you know, which is strange. So we can change it at any point. 12:24 yeah yeah. You could I is crazy that they can. I really did think this when I left the dentist. I was like man, that's that's insane that you guys are just able to drill out part of my tooth, replace it with ah worth the what's the white stuff that they're not porcelain. Is it no? What are they replacing with that enamel? Yeah, where it's like they have that little blue light that's like yeah and then they can shape it and then in my mouth on my I feels exactly the same. How do you do the same thing? 12:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. It's pretty crazy that they figure this stuff out. That is crazy because they usually just have to pull all your teeth out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is insane. Actually, I don't know. It seems a little schemey, so he was at a time and this was, know, he's a self trained doctor and he lived in a time where you could be right out of town. Don't I miss it? ah Okay, and he was normally normal guy. Yeah, normal guy. 13:24 Absolutely. I cannot over emphasize enough how normal this guy or I hope that this isn't my legacy. I hope that fifty years now people are like can't over his eyes. Just a normal guy boring, regular, nothing really. So I had a wife and a kid. We don't even know her name. Yeah. So his wife, Lena, you think of Lena, Lena, Lena, 13:52 uh grew up with another woman by the name of Ella Osborne Davis went to church with her seven day Adventists and because of that uh they became close family friends of the man that Ella married who was a guy by the name of William Kellogg who you might know from our episode about William Kellogg. Well we did the episode John Harvey Kellogg. Oh because John Harvey was crazy. 14:20 William was his brother who took the company to the car. Yes, that's right. Okay, we did do an episode about John Harvey Kellogg, which is a great episode. It's a crazy story. Yeah, which I'm gonna be honest. I wanted to go back and listen to that before. I can't remember why. Do you remember why John Harvey Kellogg was so weird? What was weird about him? Yeah, wasn't he really weird for his whole thing was that he thought corn flakes were gonna make it so that you weren't? That's right. 14:46 he was like yeah. The kids just want to kiss all the time and this old. This will really damn. He figured out he figured that every problem came from your gut is what he that's right. That's right. So he thought if we could make the blandest diet possible, you wouldn't sin any that you wouldn't sin, but also you wouldn't have health problems and so that was the it was a complete jump and his brother was like this is crazy, but the cereal is pretty good. We're going to sell this. Yeah, we're going to sell this boy into cereal everywhere. Yeah, so they became family friends. Will 15:16 And Will, here's what I should say actually real quick. Allegedly Will called the Saddlers. Yeah. And I shouldn't say Will. Ella called the Saddlers. What year is this again? 1911. So I don't think they called them, huh? Oh I guess they telegrammed. Ella telegrammed. Called them? He FaceTimed him. 15:38 and was like text to the a what a boo. I'm just over here hanging out. My brother's cray cray, you know, like he's just saying a bunch of stuff. It's not 11. Ella telegrammed the saddlers ah and said, Hey, will has been talking in his sleep and it's really weird since you're a self taught doctor. I would love it if you would come self teach him to stop doing that because I can't sleep. And so the saddlers were like that in Morse code. I'm doing it in Morse code. oh 16:08 So if you listen to Morse code, if you know Morse code, hype. 16:18 Was that SOS? 16:22 easier against as well. We haven't done that in a while. I was definitely so as because I know SOS and Mars code, so you just did something that I know you're gonna pay for. Alex knows that he's an eagle scout. He has to teach more scouting. They have to know they have the Morse code and Braille legally. You have to know more so so she telegrams them says hey, he's talking in to sleep. Will you come watch it and see if it's weird? 16:51 is weird to me. Yeah. And so the sounders show up, they watch it and it's really interesting because he's describing the fifth season of modern fame to a T. It's great. He's just like J and Gloria and they're like, who are these people? Who is he talking about? He's just, mean, if you go back and listen to the audio because they had audio back then and you go back and let's do it. It's just, it's just every episode word for word. It's 17:20 fifth season of modern family. It's really interesting because in 1929 he puts out a book called the mind and mischief. William Sadler. Okay. What you just mixed them up. William S Sadler. Okay. Writes a book in 1929. Now William, sorry, I'm yeah and he writes a book talking about how in 19 well, I should say the whole book is about the supernatural and so his whole book is about how the mind can create 17:49 crazy visions of things and make you believe things that are not true. And so the whole book is how the psychology of the supernatural. Right. It's really grounded. The whole book is super grounded and he's basically like discrediting every side of supernatural anything. um And then at the very end of the book, he says, but there was this one time in 1911. Why is a really good book? Oh my gosh, I haven't been able to put it down. 18:22 And the last two pages are just one time in 1911, my wife woke up in the middle of the night to me talking about Cam and Mitchell and what they were doing on their adventures. you're like, what is this? This is really weird. Um, and basically he says in 1911, there was a subject that I observed who was speaking in his sleep and he would have these moments where he'd be completely unconscious, completely asleep. Um, he was not able to recall anything he said in those moments. 18:47 um even if we told him about it like we could not jog his memory, could not get him to have any recollection of what he was saying and he would reveal things about physics and astrology and astronomy, um the history and this is Kellogg who's having these night things allegedly okay. Okay, Okay. It's Kellogg. There's nothing that ever says it's Kellogg, but there has been some people who've done some research put the pieces together. This has got to be William Kellogg yeah because what 19:17 The things make them have sharp edges. uh The uh documents about this, they say that that it was a prominent businessman that was in close relationship with the Sadlers. So it kind of is like the one guy that they know that was a prominent businessman. uh But he and he says that he would talk about these things that they would then go verify and they were true. 19:47 but he did not know about these subjects. And like, it's very odd that he was able to recount these things in this. Okay. And so he basically in this 1929 books says this is a very strange thing he did that he witnessed that he doesn't have a category for and he can't explain. And so it's like all the supernatural things in this book, I can explain and show how the human brain can put these things, create this stuff and create this sort of mythology that comes from the supernatural. But this one experience in 1911, I can't explain. I don't understand. 20:17 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of things. I learned last night. If you like this show, we would love to see in our Patriot. It's a great way to financially support the show. We don't make money from this. It just helps us to pay the people who do make money from this. Like Alex and Robert, her editor, and maybe one day, one day me and Tim, maybe one day, but only if you join, only if you join, can't wait. We can't get paid until you pay. Can't feed Tim's kid until you join. He's so 20:58 and he didn't say his whole book was like debunking yes, supernatural yes, yes and then at the end goes talking, but explaining how the human mind creates those things and believes those things. Okay, like it sounds interesting. I haven't read it, but it sounds interesting because it's the I have read it. I'm listening yeah. I like to read books from nineteen fourteen pretty often. I 1929 1929 and 21:28 Cut that out, I guess. No, that's funny. I that. You're just going... 21:36 And, uh, what? Anyways, so this, this comes out and he's basically like, don't have an explanation for it. Everything else I can explain, but I can't explain this. Yeah. What comes out later is around this same time, he got this group of people he trusts, not just physicians, but people like academics together. And they basically formed 22:05 what I could best describe as a Bible study, but without the Bible where they all were trying to figure out this guy who would have these like these talking asleep, but it was a, it was a William Kellogg study. Yeah. Kellogg study. Yeah. I like that. But what's interesting is the saddlers. I should say the Kellogg's did not want anyone to know that it was William Kellogg because he had a career to defend. Yeah, of course. And they were very wealthy. 22:35 And so he was not a part of this. think I'm crazy. Yeah, he was not a part of this group, but he was willing to participate. And so the saddlers were given access to go watch Kellogg sleep and see what he would say to sleep. Yeah. And then they would go to the little Bible study group and they'd like, here's what Kellogg said last night. And then they would talk about it. Here's what our subject said last night. Yes. And so no one there knew who this guy was, but they were all fascinated by him. Sure. And 23:04 as the years went on of them listening to the things that this guy said, they started to wonder, can we prompt him? Can we ask him questions and will he respond? The answer that question was yes, and so they were like, why is asleep? Well, you can ask him something and he will answer what you're saying and okay, bush are it sounds very similar to this bush are thing where they are. You're gonna bring up a char later. No, I'm not, but you want to talk about him. I know not yet. Explain what this is and then we'll talk about. We've talked about Bush are before right. I think so. Yeah, Alex just went 23:34 Alex is like we got here. Okay, buddy. Alex said that player. Would you handcuff him? We need to detain that guy. Do your job. No, no, no. Don't give me that attitude. Thank you. Sadler put out a second edition of mine of mischief and he said there's this one thing in 1911 I can't explain and then there's also this podcast 23:59 that has this woman who just floats in the room. You're obsessed with her. She's real. She floats in the room. Sorry player and she makes this crazy sound when she floats. can't explain it. I don't understand what's the sound she has this tail that looks tiny like a little electrical cord. It's 1911, but I know where the electrical boards are and so throughout the thirties and forties they're going over to the Kellogg's house 24:29 and they're watching him sleep and they're asking him questions in his sleep and they bring a stenographer and the stenographers writing down everything that he says and the little typewriters and now they do with their mouths. You those people. I love these sonographers. 24:49 just ASMR spoken. It's pretty crazy. It is insane and yeah, so for a couple decades, they're writing down everything he says and asking him questions to prompt him and see what his opinions are about it. And then in nineteen fifty five, they organized the Uransia Foundation and they release the Uransia book and this okay. 25:19 the these this book. Oh no part one, the central and super universes part two, the local universe. Yeah part three, the history of your Ancia and part four, obviously where we got to go the life and teachings of Jesus. Okay, and this is a two thousand nine. Your Ancia is the name of our planet. 25:45 That's what it says on there. Your Ancia is the name of our planet, um so this is a two thousand ninety seven page book um that why least that are really are I why should say literally allegedly transcripts of the things that William Kellogg said in his sleep to we have anything. I'm going to get this. We rent this in the library. You think I don't know if this would be in the library, but it's for sale online. They still sell it. How much is it? Let's see 26:15 put it on my card. They don't they're like. Are you gonna use this information responsibly? I don't there's no question. There's no question. It's like thirty. I mean depends where you buy it anywhere from anywhere from ten to forty bucks. Here's one on eBay for three hundred and fifty. I think this is like an old copy, like one of the original copies. I'm guessing yeah, this is an original nineteen fifty five edition for that's crazy. um So who has released this the your ranch and who is behind your range is Dr Sadler 26:44 Yeah, Sadler was the founder and the organization that he formed again. Yeah. Okay. And so as two thousand ninety seven page book and okay. How many pages are in the Bible depends on which translation? I was trans. I read it in the translation, but just do like do the CSB or the do the do the in IV. Do the do a translation. Pick one. I mean it does. It depends on like how many like like how big the text is in the print. 27:13 Here's what it says depending on the size of the print and the size of the pages somewhere between seven hundred and twenty five hundred pages. Okay, so it's a Bible. Yeah, yeah, it's a it is a Bible. Yeah, for me see a picture of this book. You got a picture of the book like like a physical version of the book. Now, what else would I mean? 27:35 Well, this is what else would I a page of the book is not a picture. This is a, this is a document of the book. You have a picture with the book. I'm talking about how big a book is. Use the context clues. Okay. Here is, this is a more recent edition of the book. They're the most, what I'm saying, if you show me the Harry Potter book, I'm going to punch you in the mouth. 28:01 This is more recent rendition of the book. You're going to show me Narnia. I know it. You're going to show me Narnia because you range. You looks like Narnia. You're going to show me Narnia. Here you go. Let's do your joke. Do your joke. Okay. Here you go. 28:18 He didn't do it. He just showed me the book. Comedy is subverting expectations. You were getting ready to, weren't you? wasn't. No, I was. See, I would buy this. 28:33 This is a coffee table book for sure. Can you imagine going to someone's house and this is sitting on the pretty cool and on the cover, the covers is the parts of the book. That's what I love the most. I'm saying you have to open this book to see the table content. So the parts of the book. Yeah. So okay. So here's the storyline of the book. The book is go with the tea. 28:59 The book. What's tea? What's interesting about the book is it's separated into those four parts and essentially it's the history of the universe. And the concept here is that we are a part of a grand universe made up of a bunch of super universes that are circling what they call the Isle of Paradise. And in there is the perfect universe called Havona. And in there there are the uh enlightened beings. 29:27 who have created all the universes that exist out in the so this really is like Bashar. They're asking questions. If you don't know who Bashar is, we've talked about a picture of the guy. Yeah, it's this guy who claims to have and like we should probably do like a quick aside episode on him. Sometime work it into another story. Maybe gosh dang it. What what what is 29:54 What is Bashar Bashar alien? There's another guy named Bashar. Oh, look up Bashar alien guy. Here we go. Do I gotta teach you how to Google? I found his real name. No, it's just there's another guy named Bashar. I'm sure also very fit. There's plenty of people named Bashar and so that was the only one that was coming up when I searched to Bashar. Yeah, look up Bashar alien guy. So there's a guy who goes to these conferences and all this stuff and like he 30:23 and he's done like mri's while he's in a very trance state or whatever, where he like enters in it's like he's channeling the communication of a of a different entity through him and you can talk to and say and so they've done like eyes will roll back in his head. His voice changes he claims or they claim that he's done these tests to show that his brain activity really is turned off during this 30:51 and he always wears these. mean he's looking tropical all the time. You know this is not even like this is a picture that's not even like oh we caught him off guard. This is what he wears to these confidence and people will be like. Do you think the humans will make contact with us and he'll go? I don't know if it's offensive for me to copy him. Maybe I don't care where he'll go. Yes, yes, we you know and have these like spasms when he does it yeah and it's 31:21 I, know, good on this guy for finding his grift, but for finding his grip, uh if it's real, mean like, also like if it, if I've, if you're telling me that he's accessing a different part of his brain, even, know, yeah, he always does that with his hands when he does, he always does that and he makes these weird noise. 31:42 and then starts and then his voice gets so much deeper. Yeah, it's very where it is really weird. It's really weird to watch, but that's essentially what they're saying is happening here is they're that's what I'm saying is that if it could be like the same and that's what I mean is that this guy might genuinely believe that this is a different entity, but it's just a different consciousness in his brain. There's some kind of split or some ability to do that yeah and he has the ability to turn it on, but like you know it could be potentially that this that Kellogg was 32:12 just falling into that and sleep and so they were talking to a different awake version of him. Yep, yep, yep, yep and maybe that's just something we don't know how the brain works. You know, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, probably um and so or their descriptors or their grifter or their grifter. That's a huge possible. That's also possible, but anyways, so the story line goes we're a part of these super universes. Our local universe is a universe called Nebadon. 32:40 And in there, there are 10 million inhabited worlds. They're all at different parts of their journey. And the whole journey, the intention of the journey is every living being is uh connected to what they call a thought adjuster or a divine spark. And that thought adjuster is trying to help you gain enlightenment to understand what helps you get to that main core universe of Havona. That's the paradise. Havona, heaven. 33:10 Yeah. And so we're all, everyone's searching Ascension. When you die, you're going to go through what they call mansion worlds and there you're going to be educated and evolved to that point of Ascension where you can then finally go to Havana. And our planet, our actual planet is your Ancia and Arantia is a relatively young planet in the scale of this super, of course things. And the human race specifically is about a million years old and the human race has 33:40 uh had been progressing really well through their timeline of the way all the thought adjusters were trying to educate us and help us grow. But something happened. Each planet is assigned a prince from these like super intelligent beings and these princes princes are supposed to oversee them. Our prince is Jesus. Well our prince is a man named Lucifer. Oh OK. Or I should say being named Lucifer. And two hundred thousand years ago he 34:10 rebelled and he thought through his own pride that he should be greater than all the other princes. And so he really is a merger of biblical mythology and yeah, yeah, a lot of this. Well, what's interesting when you look at the whole story is there is a ton of Christian themes themes that are bended just a little bit. 34:36 right to fit this idea of the universe. Yeah. But there is kind of like this kind of like what a lot of the, Christian influencers and podcasters do now where it's like there's Christian themes, but that's not what this is. I mean, yeah, a little more though, cause that is very pantheistic. it's pulling in every world religion, which is a very common thing from the fifties. Yeah. And so they're pulling in influences from all these different religions, but also these influences from science and these influences from like science fiction. 35:05 And so as the story goes 200,000 years ago, Lucifer rebelled and then our planet was quarantined because it was a danger to the rest of the planets in the system. And so we were okay. You're not allowed to ascend to this higher level because of that rebellion kind of broke us. And so we're now trying to atone for that rebellion is where we're at. And that's why things are so bad um is because we're in this kind of like intellectual prison almost. 35:29 and we can't. So has everyone that's ever been alive felt like they're living in the worst time that's ever existed? Well, is that what we're saying? What's really interesting is if you think about it, 1911 when this supposedly began World War One and then through that they go through the Great Depression and the World War Two and then this finally comes out. I do think about a lot. How you know we've we've read several books you and I so we only 35:56 we're literate. No, I was talking about, was talking about slashing towards utopia and how the back half of the 19th century is an anomaly that this world that we're nostalgic for of the 50s and 60s of this, know, or even post 80s of like the fall of the Berlin Wall and Russia being pushed back on the all of those things are so ah 36:25 rare in human history that like we weren't in feudalism or wars or yeah, you know, or people dying of diseases and mass scale uh that we think that that was just normal. Yeah, but like what we're living through is actually more close to normal than the past. Yeah, well, decades have been. Yeah, normal is instability. Yeah, stability is very rare in the history of that's where I Yeah, 36:54 and I mean that in the broad spectrum of everything. I mean that is like the way that our our country is, but also the way that our our the whole plan is the whole planet relationally. Like that's what I'm saying is like there's a lot of elements, a lot of moving pieces that like this is not, you know, we're at some weird places right now. 100 % yeah and that's normal. 37:18 cannot over emphasize how normal that it's so well, like that's what I mean is I has everyone who's ever lived just felt like oh my gosh, it can't get worse. I mean yeah yeah yeah because I mean you look at I guess I mean even you look at the gospels everybody was like oh the Messiah is going to come and fix all of us true. That's true. It really is like we've always felt like this can't be the way it's supposed to be yeah and so 37:42 the whole first half of this book, the whole first part I should say is explaining the history of the universe and why it was created. And really the creation was that we are supposed to gain ascension and it all culminates in this moment. 200,000 years ago, Lucifer rebels and then about 6000 years ago they are, they attempted to restart. And so they, that's where Adam and Eve came into the story. And this was the re-creation of humanity. Right. They're only 6000 years ago. Try to create humanity. 38:12 and give us a new birth and then Jesus comes in as one of the great prophets, uh part of this to become our new prince and to lead us towards ascension. So Jesus is supposed to replace Lucifer because Lucifer is the concept. And then the second part and the third part are just a collection of history and science and other concepts. A hodgepodge of stuff. Yeah, to just be like, here's how the world works. Here's how everything works. uh 38:42 we'll come back to that. We'll come out and leave that for a second and then the fourth part is the life of Jesus, but specifically that part from age twelve to age thirty that the Bible doesn't talk about and it's like here's everything. The bottle doesn't tell you about Jesus. Yeah, it's long. It's like a thousand pages of like here's everything. This did that the Christians don't want you to know about yeah and they don't and no one knew like he was in a bay and and then but he wanted to be taken serious Peter broke off 39:10 and started angels and airwaves and later I'm going to tell you that it wasn't Peter. Sorry. James broke off and started angels and airwaves. Yeah. And then Jesus was the five lows to fish is a long name, but too long of a name, too long of a name, but whatever. uh 39:34 that's just how they did it, but his concerts were the most well attended five thousand five thousand people. Can you imagine five thousand people on a hillside? Can you picture it? Can you picture it and imagine singing a big, big house? I jee. I hate how easy it is for us to slip into our youth pastor voices. It's truly wild. How easy we can just it's almost like I can just go uh 40:04 Hey guys, thank you so much for joining us at North Point this week. We're so excited that you're here. Hey, if you're a first time guest, we want to extend a special welcome to you and just say thank you for making North Point your home for the weekend. If you are just checking this out, please take a second to fill out that card on the back of the seat in front of you. 40:22 or scan this QR code. We'd love to get you connected. So a couple things going on around church this weekend, like, my gosh, it's so easy to get back. I was going to go. Oh, so hey guys, we're getting ready to, this is our giving portion of the service. And again, if you're a first time guest, there is no pressure to do that. Could do this. That's how the guy's doing it. Eyes closed, hands like this. 40:51 there. We are about to the giving portion of our service. If you are a first time guest, there is no pressure for you to give. We just want you to feel welcome. 41:07 Oh boy. Am I sick? I sure do need Tim stones. Get well quick trick. And what is it? It's simply chug an entire gallon of orange juice. Wow. I forgot. And then this shirt reminded me, I'm so glad that I have this shirt as a public service announcement of public health service to other people around me. Do your part. Get this shirt shop.tilling.com. 41:43 Here's what's interesting. Those second, those two sections in the middle. Yeah, they're the majority of that section are plagiarized books and documents like word for word plagiarized documents. Okay. And what's really interesting when you look into these, these are books and scholarly studies that uh Sadler uses as references in his other books. 42:13 Okay. So he's just like, this is going to be in the year. Antioch book too. Really interesting. So he's piecing this together too. Like, so it's not just transcripts of 42:24 I don't know. Well, I mean, what are the inside pages look like? Have we got you got it? You got any pictures or screenshots rather maybe some PDF downloads of any of the just a single of the two thousand ninety seven pages that's in this book. Just one of them. Here we go. I want to make sure I'm as clear as possible. I'm asking for things from you because you go. What do you mean a picture of the book? What do you mean? Okay, I haven't I 42:51 I want to be honest with you. Not only have I not read this, I can't read this on my screen. It's too small. Let's see what it too small. So we're going to find out together what this actually says when I put this on screen in the second. Here it is. Okay. Ready opening shot, fill in clear dry riding bikes down their neighborhood and they run into a new woman who has moved in, but as a soccer mom on the team of Luke's team. 43:20 Well, very good English. Okay, what doesn't say though? This is the preface. Let me get you an actual. This is an act. Give me a page from the book. Oh my God. I told you I couldn't read that and that I to describe everything in great detail for this guy because he just can't even understand in the sense the reference makes an interesting but distinct point. Oh, that's okay. So we're getting some some indexes, some you know, okay. 43:50 The universal father is the God of all creation. The first source and center of all things and beings. First thinking first think of God as a creator, then as a controller and lastly as an infinite upholder. Okay, so this is like written. This is this is two thousand pages of that dense. That's crazy. Yeah. So okay. And so they're claiming that this is all the stuff that he had said. 44:19 in his sleep in his sleep and they wrote it down. Yeah, hold on. Here's a quote at the end from the universal father who inhabits eternity. There has gone forth the supreme mandate. Be you perfect even as I am perfect. 44:39 show us. I can't take off your pants and show us your tattoo. I can't. I can't pull him has the words be perfect on his thigh. Do have the words be perfect on my thigh? Are you in this cult? No, I just take what Jesus says. Okay, so this is the book. Yeah, so it's it's it's pretty. I would say incoherent ramblings and plagiarism, clear plagiarism. Okay, what's interesting is a 45:08 like a newer uh adherent to the faith, I guess you could call it, um has by the name of William Block, he outlines or he talks about all of the plagiarism and he on their website has actually listed, here's all the plagiarized documents and he doesn't call it a bad thing. he's, and it's, it's, it's an interesting argument, but it's also kind of crazy. And then his argument is that we must understand that these messages are not 45:38 coming from humans and in our culture and in the way we see the world, there is something wrong with plagiarism to us, but to these higher level beings, all of these thoughts come from them in the first place, and so we're not they're not taking I yeah yeah, we're just we're taking the I down my money is God's money. Yeah, it's that kind of con. I'm just managing it for it, and so he calls it. He calls the the all the play to the reference on Megan 46:04 have you seen that Dave ranzi clip? Yes, like people, people can't be mad at me because I, because I own a bunch of homes. It's not my money. It's God's money, right? It's same. I want you to know that God is in a lot of credit card debt over here. It's not my dad. It's not my dad. That's his fault for putting me in charge of every time collections calls. I tell him God's credit score is in the five hundreds over here and he better get that on lock. You know I'm saying 46:31 ring ring collections. You better pray. I go to credit karma.com. log in with Jesus at heaven dot net. He has a dot net. Yeah, someone sniped the dot com Lucifer, but he calls it. He calls it a masterpiece of restatement. Okay, so he spins it like this is an incredible thing. They play when is this a guy? Yeah, this is a new guy. Okay, a new researcher talking about it. Sure. 47:01 So this becomes, I shouldn't say hugely popular, but relatively popular in this pseudo-science, alternative religion space. A bunch of people start buying it and start adhering to the concepts of Urantia. um And this becomes a non-profit foundation. You can donate to it or you can purchase the books and that's where they bring in their income. uh And last estimate I saw recently is they're worth about three million dollars. So not hugely successful, but successful. 47:30 Okay, I'm still going. Yeah, it's still going. They're still printing. Where's the headquarters at? I think you know, cago interesting. I'm pretty sure. Okay, let me. What is it with the tea? Oh, so as sadler sadler they in the fifties, he started researching herbal teas and how they could like help the body for a lot of different things. Okay, specifically ancient people and then he started celestial seasonings and that's where he got the name is because we're part of the celestial body. 47:59 And so the seasonings, the, the, the tea company is loosely affiliated. Like he, there's nothing in it where he like tries to teach things with it, but it was like a company. He started to sell the tea, sold the company to private equity. And now they, they continue to run the company. private equity. the celestial seasonings tea started by a cult. Yes. Yeah. It was started by the call. Yeah. 100%. And then they sold to 48:27 Yeah, private equity. It became, it became very successful. The cult of capitalism. Okay. Is these overlords who sell you a lie and they just think they make you think that, you're just going to sell your business to me and then we're going to help you grow. We're going to help you keep going. Like you cashed out. You're good. And we're, and you know, no, they're just going to squeeze every little, know what they are every little, they're like squeezing literally the tea is a great analogy for it they're just squeezing all the flavor and nutrients out of that little tea bag and they just leave you with the tea bag. Yeah. Yeah. And they say, I hope you are 48:56 They throw it away when they're done. I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy now. m 49:06 defying gravity so so celestial seasonings tea is started by a cult yeah. Allegedly, I should say here's the I'm not allegedly we know sadler started the tea company and we know some are starting your ancia so it wasn't started by the call, but it's by the cult founder. What do we think this is a cult yeah call is a tough word. It's more like there's not a lot of culty activities at this 49:33 uh organization does because that's one thing from the book that they are very careful to outline that the Christian Church strayed from Jesus's teachings and they began to become an organization that was focused on outreach and growing its own wealth and power and influence instead of being focused on the teachings of Jesus. And so they greatly expanded what the teachings of Jesus were, but their idea is like, want to actually teach what those teachings were instead of like be 50:02 evangelist, evangelist, so they're not a cult in the sense that's like we have this rigid uh set of beliefs that you have to follow and be a part of. There's no like there's no like compound or structure with it. It's pretty broad. It's there's not like a more like it's this book that is the real special knowledge. Okay. And the idea is you learn this stuff and then you try to live this life and achieve ascension. 50:30 but there's not like there's no power dynamics. There's no no there's nothing like that interest. So there's a lot of teachings that feel like cold yeah, but there's not a lot of the like activities that are called. It's very strange huh yeah. It really is kind of just like a new way. Do you like me? Do you like as far as I can tell it doesn't seem like it at least not official your ancient meetings. They sell the book yeah they sell the book. They teach the things from the book. They don't like that's what saying. There's no who's teaching 50:58 I don't I'm not. guess are there courses, are there videos, are there are there teachers, are there are there evangelists are there? Well, I think I don't think that there are evangelists because that was one thing that they're they're pretty anti the way Christianity became so right so like I don't think they're out there like campaigning for these beliefs, but it looks like they have 51:23 now day and I don't know if this is like something that's new or not, but like just looking to have a conference that they do. Okay, they do a retreat in Florida and then there are some steady groups that exist throughout the country, but it doesn't is not clear whether these are like sanctioned from your auntie foundation or these are people who like believe in it that are putting the other groups to meet interesting. Yeah, it's very nebulous. Yeah, 51:49 but every time you drink one of those teas, you're drinking in the the core of Havana. So think about that Havana. Yeah, okay, so so will in the junk Kelly, John Kelly, John Harvey, Kellogg Harvey Kellogg episode in the John Harvey Kellogg episode. We describe William Kellogg as the level headed one. Yeah, as like the normal guy. Yeah, 52:18 What's interesting is he might, he might be, it might be like he's having night terrors of being crazy like his brother. What's interesting is they John Harvey's over there like, I knew it the whole time. They grew up as Seventh Day Adventists. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of elements of it where it's like, this is so baked into your vocabulary. And so did, so did this group like Bible study group that was studying here. We're all former Seventh Day Adventists that left the Seventh Day Adventist Church. 52:45 because they disagreed with a lot of the foundations of it. And so this was like, I've thought a lot about what I think is going on here. I think it's one of like a couple things. It could genuinely just be a big grift. um But I think what could be happening is I think that the sleep talking might've been real and he has ever since then not been able to explain it. And he went a little crazy trying to figure it out. And then he got this group of people together that like, 53:14 fed into the crazy. Right. And then it became this big thing. And so even though he was a normal guy, like there's this part of him that was a little insane because he couldn't figure out this one thing with his friend, Kellogg. Yeah. And that could develop into this big attempt to explain. It's the brain's desire to have an answer and to close the loop. And if you spend decades with an open loop, then yeah, that could lead to some pretty weird places. And there is a, there is like, I think they were all primed for this, like the gnosis hidden knowledge thing because 53:43 because that's the Seventh-day Adventist Church was like really big on that and really big on like diverging from you guys are getting it wrong, you're missing a lot of this. And so I think that there was like, oh, you guys are missing it. And like the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the people who were like, oh, you're missing it. They're like, you're actually missing it too. And so ah maybe there's part of that there. Have we ever talked about 54:08 Have we ever talked about in high school that project I did about the seven day Venice church? No. Did you do a video where you were the lead of the seven day Venice church and you're like my fellow seventh day eventists? Did you do that? Honestly, pretty much. I did a video. It was a video project. It was a video project. The assignment was, was like to outline the history of the seventh day of different. Everybody got assigned a denomination. We got seven day Venice and 54:38 it's like a 12 minute action adventure movie with one minute of content in the middle and in that content moment discuss you being like this, by the way, it's the movie has nothing to do with it. You're recreating Bill and Ted's excellent adventure, right? And then it just cuts you to death being like, yeah. The other thing about this that we were supposed to do was having the event is sort of, happened back to the movie. 55:03 The plot line is I got kidnapped and they were trying to keep me from getting the message of the Seventh-day Adventist Church out. And so I'm in prison and I meet another prisoner who helps me break out. And in that moment he's like, why are you doing this? And there's a dramatic moment where I slam my arm on wall. And I'm like, believe, I can't remember exactly what I said, but I remember in the middle of my speech, there's a thing where I say, and people forgot. I believe. 55:28 the I believe in Christ the son. I need to track down the video because, there's a, I remember saying like God or God gave Moses the 10 commandments and people followed all of them. But then there was one of them that everybody forgot to follow. And it was, remember the Sabbath day, keep it holy. And he said, and I was like, and that is why we need to break out of here. And then it was like this really was tomorrow. 55:57 because today is the sabbath. That's why we need to break out of this prison tomorrow. We did a track it down and maybe we can put it on patreon or maybe we can do an episode where I pull it out. That's crazy. It is twelve minutes long though and put it out on patreon. It's in our discord now for sure. teacher gave us a B because he said he said you did not do the assignment, but the video is entertaining. So I'll give you a B then. Okay, that's how you pass school. 56:26 Well, if you like this episode, share with somebody and go watch the John Harvey Kellogg episode and then yeah, join us on Patreon where you can apparently watch this epic film. The wait is over here and you can also, I'm sure, watch some of my high school show choir performances as well. Those are definitely in the discord as well. So thanks for thanks for being here for the show. We'll see you next Tuesday.