Tycho Brahe – The Bizarre Life and Death of an Astronomer

01-16-24

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Hey man, hello, we're starting. Oh is that why you wouldn't come to the door. Yeah, we're shooting. I know I'm running. You can hurry up, man, we've been waiting for you. How was your flight? I set my drink down outside the back door, and I left it my big old water I had. Oh, don't get it. No, is it just sitting on the street downstairs? Oh? I was gonna say. I thought you meant like it was like a water bottle. What was she looking at? I knew you were playing in that sense. Yeah, last week we actually recording right now. Yeah, we're we set up a shotgun and everything to catch you, and like there's a camera back there, back behind the screen. We got you right when you walked in. Okay, I was doing a bit man, Yeah, me too. That was now is about that? But yeah, we're back to our small table. Okay, all right, run the episode. Then wats have you ever heard of it? No? I haven't. Let's go all right song. Sorry, I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't have time to settle in. Hey have you ever heard of a tycho brah? Let's say it again, Brahi, Tycho Brahi, Tycho Brahi tycho Brahi it Well, I guess it's a person, so it is. It is a he not it's you're right, all right, that's on you, dude. Oh things I learned last night. I hate the door too? Or was it black? No, that was the color of the door when we got it. Oh, I don't remember anything about this room. I don't. I don't know. Man, we've got we've got some decord coming along. It's I'm pretty excited. I don't even time to like, I just came from the airport. Yeah, I was it. I was your flight. I don't have time to do anything, all right, No, yeah, we're shooting right now. We're going. I like I like this. I don't know if we've commented on this yet in an episode, but I do like this space because, uh, because we can't even see Alexas Like, yeah, we comment on it. We commented on it. Yeah, we did a whole bit about how he's in this closet. Shut the door. I'm happy. Can you skip from your little app? You unlocked the door? Did you hear me knocking? Yeah? I did, Okay I did, And then you were like you were like pressure cord, he's stuck out there did. No, I don't know what That's what I'm saying downstairs and figure out how you from your app? Can you set the thermist down a little colder in here? This hot? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know why you wore that because I was on a flight. Is super comfy? Is the flight? Was the fight? Cold? You planes usually are. They're either freezing cold or boiling hot zero in between. What do you want the temperature up? I don't know. It set to three degrees fair night. I don't think it's working. All right, thank you. This is what we need a PA for. Alex. Would you go set the thermist? I'm joking, all right, we got new lights and new stuff. Can't go on with the episode Taekwondo. Tie Co Brahi Brahi, Tycho Brahi. Tayco Brahi, Tycho Brahi. Yeah. So Tackle Brahi. He was a scientist in the late fifteen hundreds known for astronomy. Okay, and I should note astronomy, not astrology, but maybe a little astrologists astrologic astrologic. Here's I'll just show you. Here's uh, here's our guy, Tackle Brahi. That's what he looks like. Here's another depiction of him. Okay, pretty similar, and then, uh, really defined mustache? Is that? Here's him with his nose. Is it his actual nose, like mummified nose. No, it's like a bust. It's like a bust. It's a bust of his nose. It's a nose bust. It's a nose bust. Yeah, that's an option. Yeah, you can't if you're just if you're poor, you can't do the whole head. You can do any part of you if you're whatever you want. Really, let me just get a cheek. You can do that. I can get one cheek made as a bust. That's what you're saying. Yeah, you want one cheek, you put that. I do want, But if I want, no, that's too expense. Let's talk about Tycho. Okay, so Tycho. Hey, uh, I ran my my speakers through my back and I here we go. That'll work. Tycho. He was born in fifteen forty six December fourteen, fifteen forty six, to parents who were royal airs. Kind of we been keeping the calendar that long, you know, December fourteenth, fifteen. Whatever. Yeah, just time keeps going, you know, It's just we've been keeping the calendar for so long. It is kind of peculiar if you think about it, that it's like someone wrote all this down, yeah, or or at least like described it enough where we could guess. You know, what do you mean, like if they didn't write down particularly no what happened? Oh that's what I'm saying. Yeah, Like like his birth certificate, Like I guess they'd had CAD birth certificates back then, did they have? See, I don't know how we know this, Like how do we know when his birthday was? Are there archaeological records of That's what I'm saying. The calendar's important. It's so long ago. He is an important guy, so it makes sense that we would know from him he's important. He's very important. Actually, I can tell by the character the second character, like the the drawing you drew, you drew show him, this looks like an important person. This is this is yeah, because he's he's got to be a person in power because the they're making fun of him. Oh you know, unless that's like unless he's like I really like this, this is exactly what I look like style, you know what I'm saying, Like it's a character. Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean I've got caricatures of me. Yeah, oh what a theme park? Do they get empower when you sit down on a theme park and you pay that person to draw a character of you. Yes, you have so much power over that person's privilege. You know that is something that you have the time to go to a theme park. Here's here. This is true. If you go to a theme park and you sit down and you get the character drawing twenty, you're willing to spend forty five minutes getting drawn by a dude. Yeah all right. Uh, and I'm saying it's a great drug. And in my theme park experience, because we were not like well off like you, I guess yeah, was, we don't have time to do that. We have to maximize our experience of this theme par because we've paid a lot of money to be here, okay, And so we brought our own peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that we're gonna eat in line. No one eats any of the park food because it's way too expensive. And then if you go to the bathroom, we also have a separate backpack for that. We don't waste any time. So so what you're saying is when people say check your privilege. Yes, you check your sack of caricatures and see how many you gotten where you got up? Yes, Wow, dang, I'm pretty privileged. Then. Yeah, I know I've got a lot of caricatures of me? What about? What do you talk about? Why do you have a lot of characters of you? That's something my parents liked, all right, whenever we would go to fairs, Think did I put a couple of things? But yeah, I ran out of time. This is giving very Uh hey, we're under construction. Twenty year old kid in his first apartment. We're under construction here, We're still this was just kind of stuff. It's got a girlfriend, so he starts to decorate a little bit. But you don't have a lot of money or stuff, so it just kind of looks like it's just, oh, look I got this Obomba action figure. I'll put that up. Yeah. My great aunt gave me this vacuum lamp. By the way, did you see I learned how to turn on the light bro Oh, I didn't know we did that, neither did I. Where are our extenders? They're somewhere that would solve this problem. I think they're actually in that drawer back. I thought that when I sat down. Yeah, well I thought when we put this up, when you're set it all up, you got here and you were like, oh, shoot, he's outside, he's outside, he's outside. I got to do a bit right now. Well, honestly, we're closer to it now, And so I was like, I don't know if we need him. Turns out that was wrong. We can add it anyways. So tackle bra Brahi is bra He it feels like bra kind of get rid of your picture. Oh yeah, you're right, he's kind of. He's kind of a person of power. He was born into a noble line, and so his parents were Addie and Beattie brought Brah Brahi. Beatty's a good fifteen hundred names, and he needs to make a comeback. Beatie. You want to bring that back? Yeah, yeah, name your kid. I don't honestly, I'm not sure if beat is how you pronounce that. They but they were they were a part of the like noble royal court and what country is this? Uh? I can't wait to see how this goes. And so like they were they were noble people, right, not like noble, but like nobles. Sure you know what I'm trying to say, and so they were relatively well off, but not like not like insane, like you know, like it was like it was like, you guys are doing well, but you're not doing like I think it was like lower upper class if that makes sense. Okay, I don't know if I know, in middle class you make those decisions, but I don't know if an upper class it's lower. Oh, they make those distinctions for sure. I was actually just talking to uh to uh our neighbor drove into the airport this morning. Yeah, and she was talking about how sometimes her boss will say stuff that she goes, oh, you have money, and you don't realize you have more money than all of us do. And so because I we just got back from our vacation, and the whole time of that vacation, I was like, this is pretty nice, but I'm also seeing a lot of you know a lot of uh, what's this part of your body right like between your shoulders, like right here where your next spine. So yeah, just like top of the spine, a lot of spine tats for a resort, And I go, oh, this isn't where rich people hang out, you know. I was like, we're in our twenties. And we can afford to be here. Yeah, and there's like a lot of you know, people in their forties and fifties who are there. And I go, see, you're not rich, you're but they're they're at the resort. Yeah, but we can afford to be there. Okay, you know it's like a cruise. Yeah, you kind of better than a cruise. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, we're this resort was better than the cruise. Uh. And the cruse is all fine, I performed whatever, that's all right. No, I'm saying there's but there's also like she was, like my neighbor was saying, She's like, there's I've heard of these clubs and I said, oh have you. Uh, these clubs are like the billionaires hang out, and they only want to hang out with each other. So yeah, they don't want to be around the poores. But when they said the poors they made millionaires, you know, saying when billionaires are more people, they mean millionaires people, dude, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's and I don't think of you pups. This guy was born into Was he born into a resort family? Guy? I think he was born into a resort fan cruise ship. It's not cruci is definitely above road trip families. Yes, yes, yes, that's down there. Yes he's he's above cruise ship. He's in he's in resort family, right, he's in. He's not all inclusive resort fan. Sure, that's where he is. Wow, he's so he's doing well stuff, he's doing well, right, I mean he's an infant, he's not doing anything, but his family is doing well. And but here's the thing. He's not contributed at all. Here's the thing. His uncle, his father's brother, goes by the name Jorgan. That's his birth name. Does the name he was given the way he goes by it, Jorgan? Uh? He was. He was upper upper class. He was the one percent. In fact, he actually owned one percent of Denmark, like actually Festing own thirty percent, So pretty wild up. It was a little Yeah, it's different, but he was. He was. Did you see that this is a total But we did an episode about black Rock. Yeah, but did you see the legislation that's proposed. What that would outlaw companies from owning single, single family homes? Interesting? Or it being part of investment portfolios? Interesting? Interesting? Investment portfolios is interesting? We could talk. We can talk about this. I have thoughts that is interesting. No, okay, so Jorgan, his uncle Jorgan was one percent it will past, but incredibly wealthy, sure, an ancient billionaire. And then I don't even know if we can call own. He doesn't even the cruise ship. The cruise ship is too poor from he's got a cruise ship in the sky. They had that figured out back then too, and then we lost it, and then we lost it in the stupid No Jorgan. So Jorgan, for whatever reason, one day was like, man, this kid, I wish he was mine, and so he kidnapped him. So he kidnapped Kidnappeddicho. Oh man, I love my nephew. I love my nephew. Gosh, my nephew's awesome. I love my nephew. You're my son, now, my son. I love my son. And he's contruded to my wealth. What a psycho, dude. This is his brother's kid. Yeah, and so I'm so jealous of your brother here steel his kids, which is crazy because you're the one my high school girlfriend and my firstborn. So Audi, Audi and Beattie are like, hey, you kidnapped our son, and then they're like you kidnapped our kid. But then but then they think about it, they're like, what is it? He's for a second, he's one percent, We're we're lower upper class. What are we gonna do about it? We're is that? No, it was more of like, hey, like, honestly, kids can have a better life. I don't know if it was even that. I think it was more, hey, right now we're on inclusive resort, honest without a kid. Got that kid out. No, like we're a different level. No, because they jumped into it pretty quick and they were like, I don't know if this is for us, and Jurgen was like, I think it's for me, and then they were likely does sound like actually, like now that you say that, like that does sound kind of great. I don't know if it was. I don't know. I don't know, but that's what it seems like. Yeah, that's what a lot of kids are doing these days, letting their uncles kiddennapp them. Oh no, I was saying that, what's the kid gonna do? No, yeah, so he gets a lot of people are letting family members raise their kids so they can go buy tattoos and stuff. Oh yeah, hey it's me again. Thanks for being here for this episode. If you like what we're doing, it does cost us money to do this, and so just think about that. You know, that's it. I'm kidding. No, we have Patreon supporters and it really helps us to make this show possible. Honestly, we're so grateful for everyone who listens to the show. But there's people who want to make more of it happen, and so they financial support the show, and then you get a lot back for it. You get our private discord where we chat every day. We're hanging out and just getting to bond and hang out. We also do live zoom hangouts for a Patreon supporters, you get exclusive merch. 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He's going to law school and all the stuff in Denmark. Yeah, but why is in law school? One day he looks up at the stars and he's like, those are really cool. I love him. I love those stars. And kidnapped the sun. We're going to steal the sun, and space was like, I mean, honestly, like we kind of like that. Without it, I think we could be we could be cruise ship people. Wow, life would be so much better without this stupid son up here in space. Would you let me take your kid? Would I let you take my kid? Yeah? It depends on the kid, all right, let's be honest, like you can't really control what they end up? How long do you have a child before you go? This is not for me, like, you know, like because I remember when I first got my cat. There was a couple of weeks there I was like, I don't like this cat. I think I got to get him out of here. But now statistically it's around six or seven right now. I die for that cat. But that's what I'm saying is how long? How long until? How long until a kid grows on you? You know? Yeah, I've heard it's supposed to be immediately with like evolution and like a like a parent parent respond, But I don't believe that sometimes it might not be. Yeah, not not in the last not in god, six thousand years. Have I ever heard a story? So he he attended law school. Tim doesn't like that joke. He did in law school, all right, and he saw the stars and he was memorized by them. I'll never forget those stars, know me, dude. So he these stars have memorized my heart. So he he he starts kind of like secretively studying the stars. Uncle. He's so mad, dude, He's like, you're studying law? Uh, huh uh huh uh huh. The law is down here, dude, put your back down. What do you do? Tell me a law? Give me, give me any law. Say one law gives them. I was gonna say law of gravity. And so he starts kind of secretively study and Newton laws. Yet I don't think so when did laws? When did Newton do his lass? Sixteen eighty seven, So now like a whole hundred something years before, dude, that's what he He casually just ripped it off too. He's like the law of gravity was like his gravity. They shut up and start start talking about shut up and arrest somebody what you used to do before the cops. That's also what the beginning of every Cops episode in the nineties was, arrest somebody. You ever watched Cops where he runs it's aggressive, like I can't believe they did that stuff, you know. Yeah, So he's so he's studying sure law, but also studying astronomy in his free time as like a hobby. Right, that's fine. Well, Urgan one day was walking down uh a the road another road next to the river, and he sees, you're not gonna believe this. Rolling down the river a body, and as it gets closer, he realizes it is the Danish King Frederick the Second, and Jurgen says, my king, and he jumps in the river and rescues King Frederick from this river. And so what had happened was Frederick had a good night last night, was out and fell down the river in the morning, and you're gonna happened upon him. You're in the morning, finds him in the river and says he is one of us. Now raise him as an Egyptian, right And years later, years later, him and Tycho they used to do chariot racist yea, yeah, yea, yeah, anyway, go ahead. So yeah, he rescued King Frederick from the river, and it was like this huge deal, right because obviously this guy's already a big deal, but then he saves the king. Huge deal. I don't know, pretty convenient. The conspiracy theorists in me goes hate push him in that river, says King Frederick was drunk enough, and then he remember what was happening. He didn't even fall in the river. History is written by the victory. Just dumped a bucket of water on him and was like I said, and he's like, oh my god, there's not even a river in the whole country. I filled the river and everyone's like what river? They got really drunk, got really what and then left him outside and they were like, he's gonna freeze to death. We know what we're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then they made him eat some nails. He's really rude. So he uh, he rescued the king, That's what I was saying that you get what I'm saying. He definitely push him in the river. Well, I don't know, because the way the story ends this is just the king goes, hey, I didn't want to be rescue uses the river. So the way the story ends is he uh gets a fever and he dies because the king no organ uncle daddy, uncle father. Oh, he gets a fever from jumping in the river. From jumping in the river, he gets a fever and he dies, and so that ends up killing it Blackfir. I don't know if I don't know if it was intentional. I think he was genuinely same. He meant to catch a fever. Well, I mean I guess, yeah, I guess he could have done it and been like oh yeah and then been like, shoot, I got sick. That's cad. That's what I'm saying. That's karma. So uncle father dies and uh tycho is the heir, and so he inherits And how old is he now? He's like sixteen, so he inherits everything. Geez, he is just stupid rich. I think about that. How Patrick Mahomes has an insane amount of money. Yeah, and now other professional athletes have had contracts that size, yeah, bigger, but like he's like he's younger than you and me. Yeah, yeah, that's a little insane. Could you imagine? Yeah? I could I do all the time. I think about it. That awakened night, the fact that I am not in the billionaire weird club that they've got, but I am, in fact a road trip person. Yeah I am. I'm someone that they don't recognize as human. Wow. But I think about it every day. Yeah, when I'm looking at the stars. So what's he doing? So he says, he says, I'm going to buy this star? Well, he says money, it's only fifty bucks. Alike, could you believe crazy bought it for my cat? See? He says, forget this lot of stuff. He says, I'm not going to study law anymore. Yeah, Now what I'm going to do instead, because I'm gonna do space stuff. But they don't. I don't think they realize it's space yet. I'm gonna do sky stuff, nighttime sky stuff. Okay, When do they know the Earth's round? I mean, I think they knew the Earth was round already. When did they know the Earth is not the center of the universe. I think they knew already. When do they know? I mean, I don't know. I don't I guess I don't know how the past works. I don't know they knew what they didn't know? Yeah, I mean they knew a lot of stuff at this point. I'll tell you. They knew there was a lot of stars out there, and they had tracked the stars. There wasn't like great telescopes to envision all this stuff yet, so like they could only see so much. Okay, you really could only see stuff with the naked eye. But they had tracked a bunch of paths of stars and figured out where they were moving, and that they do move, and that it's not us that's moving, it's the stars that are moving. Like they knew that for sure. I know they knew that for sure. Because of some of his discoveries everything else. I don't know what they knew. Sure, But so he starts studying that, and he starts studying a couple other things that were like kind of interesting to him. So he went to this university and so he started studying medicine and alchemy and you know, just some random other side interests. Sure, and he's at a party one night. He's now college agent alchemy essentially just like what we would do is like pharmacy. Yeah it's pharmacy. Yeah, alchemy is pharmacy, right, but it's a little more mystical. Yeah, you it's it's pharmacy with black robes instead of white robes. Sure, similar, it's a little witchcraft. It's a little witchcrafty. It's not. It's not not anymore than now itways, So he's in university and he's he's studying. Him and a bunch of friends to a party one night and he starts arguing with this guy about who's the better mathematician, because at the time that was like who's that was like who's the highest, who can bench more. He's like, he's like I can know a lot of math, and he's like, I know more math, And so they are arguing about it, going back and forth for a while, and they can you impress a girl or what? I don't know. I'm I'm who knows. Probably maybe I don't know. And this fight escalates. They both end up in the river. Well it escually, it's the point where they say, let's have a duel. I love it with swords, that's what they have. Yes, no guns yet. When when do people find out about guns? I think they discovered up in like seventeen something, I don't know, sixteen something. They're close, they're soon, they're they're coming, probably after this duel. He goes, man, that would have been greater if if I had a shooting sword, If I had a sword that I could He's like, he's like, think about shooting stars, But if I could do that from a hand, So he invented it. No, So they had this sword duel and he lost, and part of losing meant that in the sword duel, his opponent, the other mathematician, who probably not as good as a mathematician but a better sword fighter, sliced him across the face and give him a nice little scar and his and his brow, and also cut off his nose. Oh, that's why his nose bus. That's that's the nose bus. That's that was his nose. But it wasn't a nose, you know, as a prosthetic. So he had a bronze nose he made and he glued it on his face every couple of weeks. Well that's not in the painting. Yeah, yeah, so it is in this painting. He looks like the burger king king. So he had he had a variety of noses. He cut off his nose. Yeah, so he had a variety of noses. He had a bronze nose. Into the interesting stuff about these people, because for so long he just rambled about Uncle Daddy's and then all of a sudden, you go, bronze. No, I'm sorry, what was that. Yeah, so he didn't have a nose. He had this bronze nose. Okay, he he had an assortment. Actually he regularly wore the bronze was He's got different different noses for different outfits. That makes sense. He had a silver, he had a gold for the special occasions. Sure, he had a wooden one. He had all these different stupid little wooden nose noses for different You need different noses for different things. You know, you go to like a cobbler who makes the noses. I don't know, he's the one percent. He's got a nose guy. He's got a nose guy. I got my nose done. I've got a nose guy who does all my nose stuff. And then I've got a nose guy who just knows a lot of stuff. I just he's very good mathematician. This is like a northern yeah accent for some reason, I get what you're saying. He just knows a lot of stuff. He just knows things. I so in that painting, then, yeah, is this before the duel or did they just paint him with a human nose? I don't know if this was before the duel or if they did him justice. I could not tell you. I don't I don't want to answer that question. Sure, but yeah, so he he uh, he lived his life noseless. Oh cool. It sounds like you're at the end of the episode right now. So no, this is just the beginning. He's living noseless. He now knows a lot about space and stars and science and things like that. Who cares he Actually he does discover a lot of important stuff. I wonder do you think the sun shines off his gold nose, like into his eyes? You know, it's kind of be if it's bright enough. Yeah, probably like a bright day outside. Yeah yeah maybe he maybe he like has a Matt finish on it. Oh yeah, I mean I think I would figure he would figure did he did he create a trend? Did other people do this? Would it become like grills because you got to cut the nose off to do it? I mean I guess other people could have. I mean we probably would know, Like we probably would around this time see a lot of people with little nose things if that was a thing. I think that if I was rich and I had some kind of face deformity, I would pay people to a trend. Yeah. So that way you don't feel weird about it. That way, it just looks like I'm trendy and not and not messed up. Yeah, yeah, that's anyway, that's a that's you know, you can feel comfortable in your skin. But so he he's he's a big figure in science. He discovers a bunch of stuff about space and recalculated a lot of positioning stars and the routes, and it was hugely influential right, Yeah, he actually trained Uh Johannes Kepler. Who you know? Oh yeah, if you know the name Kepler. Yeah, Johanna's fabrics Kepler, Joe Ann's, Joeann's. Hello is this fabric? Excuse me, jos Oh no, I'm looking for Johanna fabric. Bad. Sorry, so dumb. That's a bad joke. They don't call me dumb. Okay, sorry, so stupid. So he he called me four times today. He's a big deal in science, right, who cares. He goes into the woods one day. He leaves the house and he's like, he's like, bye, everybody, I'm going to the woods. Okay. He comes back from the woods after hours out there with I kid you not a full grown elk that he has somehow like domesticated. And he brings this elk. He's like, he's killing elk. You're saying, he's like a leash. Yeah, what's the pet handed in elk? And so he walks back into his house and this elk just lives at home with him and like a dog like will lay in the living room, lives so annoying. Whenever I'm like in bed, right, I get in bed, and my elk runs in and just jumps my chest. It's really frustrating. When I'm sleeping in the my elk is sleeping on the other end of like on the floor, but on the other end of the bed. And then it gets up and his horn gets caught in the sheets and it rips all the sheets up. How big of a house do you have to have for an elk to comfortably live there. I'm glad you asked this. So he had built goods, so that's pretty elky. Remember King Frederick the second Yeah, he said, he said, your uncle father saved my life. And also have I've always really liked you're you're my son. Now No, but he did say, he did say, he said, whatever you want, you can have. He said, I know you already that's kind of already your life because you know you're one percent. But he's like, but now you're point one percent. Now you look down on the one percent, saying, if I knew it was going to bring me those riches, I would push a king in the river. I'll push King Charles in the river. I'll do it. I want to our record right now, most people that I would push King Charles into the river and I might save him if a better I could get this house I try to sell, I'll push it a king in the river. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this and you want more of our show, We've got plenty of other episode It's one of my favorites. Is Action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers and they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey. It was a wild story. But we did a whole episode about it, and I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. So he gave him this house and he said, he said, he said, I'll build whatever you want. So he actually got an island. He built him this island, and here's a skypew of it. So this is an artificial island with walls around it. And then in the middle of his house he's got all these gardens. But then on the corners, you see those two towers. Those are his science facilities. And then the other corners got too in the world was this Do we have this on a map? This doesn't exist still? I don't think so. I don't think it still exists. I don't know if we have an island. I know it exists, right, I know it's in Denmark. I mean maybe would in the island. Still, well, that's palace. This is crazy. Castle of Urania is what it's called castle. Did he discover uranium? He did, know he did it? Uh, okay, here's this. Uh, let's see all of the pictures. Oh, here we go. Hey what it's a subway. Now, didn't work. That's a little island. Oh there, you gotta get to it by boat, and it's just a gigantic subway. All right. I'm gonna be honest with you. I swear everything I've looked at said that this was an island. But I think it's just a land island. Oh yeah, Oh and this looks way smaller, so now I'm very confused. Oh but that's definitely it though. That's the same layout for sure. Go back to your other picture. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, which is interesting though, because this looks very small. Well, I mean, I mean it's it's next to the church. That's well, no, those houses right there, those houses are pretty small, pretty like normal size houses. So I mean, like probably, you know, go back to their picture that that was in the center. I mean, when you really look at it, it's only a three story building though, yeah, you know, and I guess if you look across like it's like, I mean you got one, two, three windows across the main section and then those I mean, it's very very decadent and fancy. But this is massive for the time. That's true, for the time. This is this is Yeah, it's like a like you know, the two thousand and four Ford f one fifty huge two one fifty compared to a good point. You know, that's a good point. It is kind of like if if mister Beast was then this would be the top of the tap ten video. Yeah, I stayed in this hotel, stay in here for and this was how much time is he putting into these videos? How long is he doing those? Is that person to survive in a grocery store for like he's got them happening all at once. There's like he's got like twelve kids trapped in grocery store on the right now, and like three of them don't survive. You can't put that video, you can't put that one out. And he just pays the family. Yeah, yeah, he just pushes the family in the river, one by one. It's for a video. I'll pay you. I love the stars. I'm a big fan of stars. Here's another view of this, but it's a little bit more stylized. But he's got all his science instruments. You can see he's got stuff to look at space around there, and I don't know he does. That's a real thing. It still exists, Yeah, it's it is much less impressive. Honestly, definitely not it was. I swear it was not. Maybe maybe honestly, maybe it dried up. Maybe it wasn't a very deep island, like maybe this was. Maybe they like you think so, because I say, you can see how it's like raised there, like yeah, maybe there's a damn nearby. Maybe they just had a different definition of island. That's also isle of land. Yeah, honestly, that could be water. Yeah, I mean, if your eyes don't work, yeah, I mean, if you're dumb. So anyways, so he builds his big, big palace, and him and him and his elk. He builds a moderately sized palace. Honestly, as far as palace standards go, I would say that's an all exclusive resort. You're right, you're honestly that might be a cruise because even for the time, like like you've seen some of those castles, those ancient castles, I haven't. Oh well here's one for you. What is this? This is I know with his golden nose, but also if he was also merged with his pet elk, yeah weird. So anyways, so him and elk became a big deal in the town. Everybody loved Tycho and his elk, and he would go into town and the elk would trot along his carriage. Next time and then his elk murdered three people close one day. They go to a party and this elk, this elk went to every party with him, and the elk developed a taste for beer, and so at the party, the elk would out drink everybody shut because it's an elk and it can drink a lot more So, at one of these parties, this elk, I kid you not, got blitzed and tripped and fell down a staircase and died and it and it broke Tycho like this was like his favorite thing in the world, like he loved you're saying this elk. I'm sorry, this elk, this elk, I'm not even the elk is not an allegory for something. It's not like, no, this is a literal elk that he got there with. So this elk is drinking at the parties, getting drunk with all the patrons, yes, and then falls down the stairs. It falls down the stairs and dies. So this elk is drinking beer, yes, all right, top top shelf. I mean probably probably the locker behind the shelf. So top shelf. Yeah, alcohol, yeah, okay. Yeah. So you say elk on top shelf and then hate this. Yeah, yeah, elk on the top shelf. Everybody else was bottom shelf. Yeah. And if you touch them, if you touch them, you die. If you touch it, that's a different thing. We should write a book for next year for parents. Yeah, because Elf on the Shelf is a fun idea. Yeah, it's a great idea on like December third, but like by December eighteenth, parents are stressed, dude, huh because they've run out of ideas. Yes, yes, yeah, So we write a book with ideas. Yeah, yeah, and just every year we put out our new Elf on the shelf ideas. Interesting. I think I like where you're going with this. Yeah, I've also discovered something while you were while I was not the into what you were saying. Just now, Okay, look, this is an island. It just is further away from the island. So here's what I think. Here's what I think actually happened. I think he got the whole island, and I think they this is just hills of the island that was his house. I think that's what is going on here. Yeah, you just could not handle being wrong. I couldn't. I had to figure out a way I was still right. Wow, So there we go. I think who knows, or maybe the water level recededse I mean, look at the foundation of his house. I mean, can you zoom in at all or not on this screen? No, I don't think so at least because that's clearly the foundation of the house. Yeah. Yeah, that's really fascinating. Interesting. So he is the elk dies and it was a tragic thing for him because he was close to this elk. Oh. Yeah, And so he started looking to fill the void. And so he's going into the woods every night looking for another elk. Can't find one, but lo and behold in town, there was a local jester that kind of looked like an elf or an elk, kind of like an elk, and he was like, you'll do you? I want you, I want to pet you close. So it was this, It was a It was a guy named Jep and Jep. Jep, Yeah, j e p p jeppiece, Yes, stoo piece Jepe. He was a local. He was a local jester. He was also a dwarf. And he took him in uh and he said, you're now my jester, and so he paid him. Sure, he's not a barbarian, but he ah. Jeff became the elk in his life, and Jep followed him everywhere. Jep told him jokes and he'd be like, he'd be like, oh, we're having a good time, make an elk noise, and Jeff to be like, He's like, that's not that's not even close. He made him wear antlers. All right, good morning, it's time to ride around our island. He's just right handlers. You could carry me around his island. Yeah, okay, third of his size. And so Jep genuinely, I don't know if we don't have any account of what Jeff thinks, but Tycho Tycho and multiple writings of his said that Jep was his best friend. Okay, but we do know Jeff is like, I'm just paid to be here. We do know that he didn't treat Jep great. Okay. For example, he pulled pranks on him all the time, just great practical jokes. Which is best friend stuff, right and the jokes. I mean, it depends on the practical joke. I guess I don't have any record of his prance. I just know he pulled pranks on him all the time. I also know that he he he made him eat under the table. I'm sorry, he said, the table is for me. The elk used to eat under the tables, so you need to to the elks eat under the table. How big is the table? You understand what I'm saying, Like, I don't know if they ALKI under the table. I made that part of all, but he did. He did make Jeff eat under the table, so okay, like a great friend. But he was he said he was his best friend. But you know, sure there's one of those friends where it's like we're really good friends, but honestly, like, hey, will we go to Hawaiian Bros. Later? Yeah, I want you to eat under the table and don't acknowledge it. Once we having a normal conversation. Yeah, and he's sitting under the table. Just yeah, there's a lot of cops there. They'll arrest me for that. I bet they'll think of high We'll see. Yeah, it'll be rough. We'll find out, maybe you'll get taste. You might be onto something here. So Tyco's life continues to be really weird, and he discovers a few more things, has a couple more successes, you know whatever. It's once he discovered sigence stuff like he figures out where the stars move and how they move, he charts them, and sure, he discovers a bunch of stuff. It's really not who cares, he doesn't. He does discover a lot of really important in just in all the weird stuff in his in his life. No, he discovered a lot of stuff about stars in motion and the moon and the way that all that stuff worked together, right, And he trained Kepler, and Kepler was hugely influential. He was also really influential. But Kepler was hugely influential, you know. But Kepler and him had a problem because Tycho wouldn't share his notes, Like he was very secretive about his stuff, and Kepler was like, it's really good as science, like, we got to be able to work on this stuff together, right, And he was like, no, it's my stuff. And he was like, he's like, but we need it. We got to work together. He's like, but noah, it's my stuff. Mind. Well, one day Tycho just ups and up and dies and everybody was like, how old? Let me check how long had rich people live back then? So he was he was fifty four, not seven hundred years. He was fifty four, which I think that I think we were about normal life spans at this point, right, this was a little young. No, we weren't. We were not you were rich, Oh sure, I mean yeah, the pores not even close. But he fifty four was pretty young for a kind of his status. Uh. And it was it was like a surprise, right, it came out of nowhere, and so everybody, I mean, he got drunk stairs. Everybody immediately looked to Kepler and was like, hey, we know you guys have been arguing about some stuff lately, and you want to see his notes, like he did you kill him? And so they were like, Kepler, did you slip him some mercury in his drink? And everyone and he was like no, no, I didn't do that, so they started investigating him, and it turns out he didn't. They didn't figure that out, but okay, they they suspected foul play for decades until everyone was dead and no one cared about it anymore. Yeah, until twenty ten. Twenty ten, they exoomed his body because some people were like, we want to know, we want to see that nose, We want to know what happened. Yes, that that was his nose that they dug up. Oh that was his fake nose. It wasn't a bus yeah, no, that was that was his actual nose that he wore. This is they dug it out. So okay, imagine you don't know. You're just a grave robber. Yeah right, you're just a great rubber. Yeah, you don't know any history. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, you're digging up graves, just out here doing you're a robber. Yeah, that's what you do, you rob graves. Yes, you're a grave robber. Yes, yeah, thanks, You go to graves, you dig them up, take all the valuables. Problem. So you okay, so he's a great rubber. You dig up this guy's grave. You see a skeleton, yes, and just a full like just what is that made out of This is bronze. It's five hundred years old, so it just looks like stone at this point, honestly, but it's bronze. It's rooky stuff. Yeah that uh you think, Man, this guy's nose survived. That's a magic nose keeping this nose? Should I eat it? What do I do with the What do you do with the magic binding? That's right? So what you do? Okay? So so so they say they exsume his body. Everybody, everybody thought up until twenty ten, they're like, somebody killed him, somebody oft them. So for four hundred something years, we can just we can still tell. Well, and I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't know how they figured this out. Is made up? I don't know. I don't know how they figured this out. But they were able to determine after assuming his body, that he had died from the ghost of his elk, he had died from a bladder infection. And the way I said, okay, I don't rather what they did and what they figured was he was at a party with the king, and tradition said that when you're at anything with the king, you don't stand up before the king, and they're at the party, and the King want to stand up, but he had been drinking a lot and he really had to pee, and so he sat there and he held it and he held it and he held it until he gave himself an infection, and then a couple of weeks later he died, not realizing he was dying from the inside, probably uncomfortable, but not realizing he was. Yeah, and he was dying from the inside. That's pretty creamy. What are you going to do. I'm doing what you're doing. I'm not whispering. You're like, I'm not even close to whispering, and realized this is the true crime segment. Okay, we'll put some music behind it. Okay, cool, but there's no crime. It was just him trying not to pete and embarrass himself. King. That kind of sucks. And so that's a pretty fifteen hundred ways to die fifteen hundred, sixteen o three. At this time, it was pretty sixteen hundred's way to die. Yeah. Yeah, So like fifty years before Newton's third law, yeah or second or first any of them? Eighty law? How long before his new his fig Newtons is I think that was pretty early, so it's probably only like twenty years that that came quick. His figs, he's like, I need to come up with a way to put these in some sort of creative bar. He's like six stupid. So anyways, so yeah, this is that's that's type of bra he had. Uh, Brahi. I think it's Brahi. I really do think it's Brahi. He had a weird nose, a weird elk, a weird best friend that he wasn't very nice to you, and then he died because he had to pee. Well. I also contributed to the science we don't want to tell. Yeah, but there's all that stuff. He figured out some space stuff. You know, we know about some space stuff. He did discover the first nebula, and he was the first person to discover that there were stars that were like further away. Okay, he's like, he's like, to see those stars are stars that are further He was the first one to figure that out. Okay. Yeah, so that's a big deal. He did that with no nos. So if you're listening to this and you're missing a couple of fingers, just look to the stars. If you're listening to this and you're alone inside your bed and it's dark at night and there's a man in your doorway. Enough, it's just my fata obri looking for Have you seen my notes? You gotta go fiddle them off. Hey, thanks for making it to the end of this video. If you like this and you want more episodes, there's more somewhere around here, and also clips from the show. But make sure you subscribe. Please do that. That really helps us. It makes us feel good. We look at the number and we go, oh my gosh, there's more people who like us. 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The sixteenth century Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe lived an eccentric life filled with drama, intrigue, and tragedy. Born into a noble family in 1546, Brahe was kidnapped as a child by his wealthy uncle Jørgen Brahe, who wanted him as his heir. Jørgen made Tycho study law, but the young man’s true passion was astronomy. He began secretly studying the … Read More

Tonda Dickerson – A Life Destroyed by Winning the Lottery

01-09-24

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Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Tappy new Year? Oh gosh, I can't believe it. It's the we're into January, which means we're just that much closer to my show in February. Uh and also my show in April in uh Chicken Cordon Blue, Idaho. However, you say that town? What did I say? Chore? Look at I'm probably you soon, hopefully. Have you ever heard of Tonda Dickerson. Tonda, Tonda's a real name, Tonda Dickerson, Tonda, Tondadadada, And then I want to watch it quit And then they see it on TV collecting lottery winning and they're like, he's just coming in tomorrow. This does not seem like a jury of your peers, the joy of your enemies. Oh raise a in a jury Miami. Things I learned last night Sondada. Yes, her parents were like, we like to name Ronda and Tnka Trucks. Let's just Donda Tonda. Yep, Tonda a woman. It's a woman. That's a woman. Okay, you know Dickerson Dickerson, Hey, buckle up, because this is your favorite kind of episode? Is it? Is it a heist? No? All right? What do you think it is. I know what it is. It's aliens. No, it's a waffle house episode. Oh for real, Wait for real, for real, this is a waffle episode. Tonda. She sounds like she works at the waffle house. I love it, dude. She sounds like she's back there, bare hand on the grill, just chilling, you know what I'm saying. Like she does it for heat, like my hands are cold, my hands. Have you seen I saw this video yesterday about them explaining their uh there's them, okay, was explaining the way they set their plates for their cooks. Have you ever seen this? It's the most insane thing I've ever seen. You need to look up a video of this. When they so they call out the order, right, yell the order. And I've always been curious, and I'm sure you are too. How do these chefs remember all of this because they get just yelled at NonStop what to make? Yeah, but that's a lot of stuff that's just yelled at them. Well, what they do They yell the order at them. And while they're yelling it, I don't know if you've ever noticed, they're putting a plate down and they're setting stuff on the plate and the position and the items that they set on the plate is the order. And so if they put a packet of face down on the bottom of the plate, it's a standard wafaffle. If they flip it over, then it's like a vanilla waffle. If they put a chocolate chip on it, it's a chocolate chip. And so it's like but if they put the butter at the top, it's scrambled eggs. And so it's like everywhere they place things on the plate is a different symbol for what it is. It's like it's kind of like if they wrote it down code, it's insane. Look it up, look up the by don't they just write it down? I don't know, right, It is very cool and also also it ensures that just no one can just get back there and run the grill. It's true, no one gets Yeah, you can't just put anybody back there. Kyle Kanane is a comedian who's a really funny bit about being Freaky Friday. Uh, because he's like, you know, someone gets you, like if he gets Freaky Friday, and like with with one of those you know, Benny Hannah chefs, He's like, I'm stuck into Benny Hannah trying to figure out a grill. But that guy is on a stage somewhere with just a list of words because like my my my set list, just as podcast Biff young ghosts like that, I know what those mean, but they don't. He doesn't know. But if you got Freaky Friday with a waffle house chef, they're like, don't look like, did you not see that? The butter had a chocolate ship on it? And you're like, there's a tomato and next to the tomato is half a slice of cheese. You don't know. I'm dumb. Sorry, it's the craziest thing I've ever seen. Sorry, I didn't know that your secret language. I told him what to cook on the grill and no one knew. So tada. She was a waffle house waitress. Bro, Should we get should we work at waffle house? Should we go get hired at waffle house? That's a pretty funny bit. It's a really funny bit to have a normal job. Yeah, we sound really out of touch right now. Roll that theme song. Support us on Patreon. Yeah, man, what do you do? You know? I'm just myself here myself. I'm really kind of doing my own thing. Any waits. My shift starts in five minutes. I love it here. My hands feel so much better now. So there's the B twelve's got my skin looking green. I think your skin looks green because you're sticking your hands all over that stove. You wouldn't get it. Yeah, waffle house employees are the only ones to get this. So it's ninety nine, nineteen ninety nine, okay, not eighteen ninety nine. Sure, nineteen ninety nine. She's working at a waffle house in Mobile, Alabama. Oh yeah, I remember Mobile, And there is a they have a regular by the name of Edward Seward. Edward had this little quirk about him where he didn't tip in cash. Instead, he didn't tip in cash. Yeah, instead he tipped with lottery tickets. And this was a big deal because one it's weird obviously. Two the lottery is illegal in Mobile, Alabama, well in all of Alabama, at least in ninety nine. And so he and it was also he's coming over from like Louisiana side then well he was going he was driving to Florida, and so he was driving an hour to Pensacola picking up a literal like booklet of lottery tickets and he would just hold onto those from Oh he lives in Mobile though, yeah, he lives in Mobile, Okay. And then he would he would order and then he would have a lottery ticket, would have a level up. He'd leave an envelope and lady is on your side. Yeah, you get of this, and that's generous of me. Generous of me. Yeah, So he would write their name on it. It'd be even more psychotic if you were like, at the end of the meal, you were like, thank you, here's exact change from a meal, and uh, would you just stand right there for a second. It's a scratch you getting. You didn't want anything today? Sorry? Nothing today? Yeah, your coworker got a Yeah. You never know what's gonna happen. So do you Begela Panga or whatever? Ton Congo. Yeah, he calls her Tanka because he's a jerk. Hey, Tako, name's Tanda. Uh say something to me. So he writes their name on an envelope and has the uh, the lottery ticket in there, and every time he orders, he does it for the whole the whole stepstrum. Everybody gets a lottery ticket, not just one of them. It's so risky because when someone does, everyone at the restaurant wants to cut. Yeah. Yeah, so I know where the story is going. So one Dayanda wins. One day, Tanda is his regular waitress. Normally he goes in, he requests Tanda, someone else gone, and so yeah, one day Tanda's not there, and so he he tips and he's like, he's like, where's Honda. And they're like, oh, she's not in today, and he's like, well, I'll hold on to one for her and I'll give it to her tomorrow. It's the next day. She's in and he gives her the ticket. She serves them, does a whole shift whatever. The end of the shift, she goes some checks because now the lottery was last night, so the winner is already drawn for this. It's a winner ten million dollar jackpot. She won it, and she calls her dad and it's like, hey, I need you. What was the lottery win yesterday? He confirms it and she's like, oh my gosh, I want ten million dollars. And so she and her dad talked it through and they call a financial planner and they set up an LLC called nine mil just kind of sick nine mil LLC, yeah, which is pretty sick. Did you take the LLC out of our Spotify name? I don't know. I did. I did good. I was messing with you and I said when I was why did you put it on to begin with? Well, that was in like cause when you sign up for an account and ask you for all your business information, I just did it like it just added that. I didn't think I was going to add that. It was like, what's the business name? And I put the business name in and then LLC at the end. Yeah. I want to to know we'll be in business. I want to know we meean LLC. We I ain't ll joking Galorean Media company LLC LLC. But Laurie isn't a media company's is it no corporate idio? Yeah? Anyways, none of this is important will cool. And the reason she set up this LLC is she would own forty nine and a half percent of the LC and her family. She split up the other forty nine and a half, so her husband, her parents, her siblings all got cuts of what the company owned, and she collected the lottery innings through the LC. So nine mil got the lottery winnings. Okay, the idea here is everybody can get it and it's not a gift. It's their owners of a company that got it, which is clever. Uh. So she wins this, she goes and collects and everyone else is like, man, tonic quick, can you believe to quit? And then like, I wonder watch she quit and then they see her on TV collecting the lottery winnings and they're like, oh, They're like, oh, she won the She's just coming in tomorrow. They're like, They're like, that's do you give a two weeks notice if you win the lottery? Do you know if you win the lottery, do you still go, Hey, I'm out in two weeks or do you just go you know what, No, I'm gonna It depends who you are, It depends who your boss is, and it depends how much you like your job. I think if if you're like just a super noble person, you probably do it no matter what. If your boss sucks, you're not doing it. But if you love your boss, you're doing it sure. And then if you hate your job, you're not doing it. If you love your job, you might stick around for a couple of weeks. Who knows. It just depends on the situation. Would you do I would stick around for a while. You're just saying that because you know they listen like I, I appreciate my team. I appreciate I want to put them on a spot like that, and I would. I would stick around as long as they need to be on there. You go, there's your LinkedIn. I'll stick around as long as you need me put that on a LinkedIn. Oh I love my team, really grateful for I think that I I can't be in another meeting with you not you could call out I h man, Jared doesn't like it that I'm professional. No, no one likes it that you're professional. Dude. You hang up sometimes I stay back in some of these calls. You hang up, like, guys, that was stupid, wasn't it? And they're all like, yeah, what a freak was that about? Talk like that? And then finally everyone pulls out there freaking they're taking shots and they're like, whoa, Okay, this is a video call. Guys is They're like, they're like, are over, Let's get going, you know, and and then some other guys like you, guys, you want to break free from the rat race? You ever think about what it all? Just rats racing around this little tunken for some cheese. Man, you guys could play the lottery shirt. But the password way to wealth is to use these energy drinks excess, baby jeez. This broadcast is sponsored by Amway. Would you like your life ruined and none of your dreams to actually come true? Would you like to be bait and switched for the next ten years? Would you like to be constantly chasing a carrot? Yeah? And if you're successful, good news, you get to do the bait and switching. Would you like to abuse people? It's all the fun of the toxic church without the spiritual harm. Oh God, be in a youth group without all that god stuff. Amway is a toxic church system without all the gods. So you can follow Jesus and feel good about manipulating others. Yeah, anyway, that's great winds. And then the coworkers are like, hey, like we deserve some of that. Well, they're like, what the heck? Allegedly there's some disagreement, but they're like, allegedly, we had a deal. If any of us won, we would split it across all of us. Because they've been doing this for a while, Like he's been he's a regular. He does this all the time. So they've talked about it and they've all been like, yeah, we went we'll split it. We'll split it with everybody, which sounds like a likely scenario. But Tana was like, I was never part of that deal. Is like, no, I wasn't gonna be a picture of WHOA looks like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can show you. Oh I forgot to put it in my in my presenter, although I've got them all downloaded. But yeah, Tanda was like, I'm I was never gonna do that's She's like, you guys, Tanda is like the you know, week twelve of Big Brother, and she's like, yeah, I mean like that was an alliance, but like it wasn't my final too. That wasn't my for real for real. So this is Tanda. This is a I love it is that Tanda's mom. Is that mam da mom. I'm real listening. Go look it up even to see it. I don't know why this is the picture that they used, but yeah, Tanda is sitting in her dining room, I'm assuming, and that's her son in the background. This is the house she bought after her winnings. I think this is the how she had before. Well, I'm gonna be honest, I don't think she ever got around of buying a house, which we can cover in a second. We'll get into So they the rest of the coworkers are like, we were, we want our piece. So they take her to court. They say, we had a verbal agreement that part of this was our So four of them took her to court and like we all need our share. I mean, they split it five ways. She can have her fifth, we all get our fifth. And this goes to court and they do this whole hearing. It's a long preceding. Her attorney in on record calls them rats, which they cut are these are some waffle house rats? These are just rats. Yeah, so he calls them. He calls them rats, uh, and they go doesn't that doesn't go well with a judge? Well, he said, he said, he said, all of her coworkers are. His direct quote is the rats coming out of the woodwork. And so they do the whole hearing. Whatever it takes the jury forty five minutes to the side that she does need to give them each of their fifths. Oh, I'd be so mad because they had a verbal agreement's so stupid, and so she calls up a different lawyer and she's like, hey, do you think we can get this overturn? We appeal this. Yeah, and he was like, he's like, oh, absolutely, I got you covered. And so he's like, a take is four fifths of what you've learned, and so he he he puts together an appeal and uh, and their appeal what he says is he says, no verbal agreement between any parties is valid when it comes to lottery because the lottery is illegal in Alabama, so that is not valid. And so they don't just discounts her winnings. Well, they said that they don't have any stick to the claim off of her, and she doesn't either though. Defense they ruled okay, yeah, you're right, and so she got to keep the full thing after this. Okay, because of this hearing, I should say too, this is a very important detail. She did not elect to receive the lump sum. She chose the thirty year annuity, which was three hundred seventy five thousand dollars a year, which is not the way to do it. I know some people might say that's the more finance like financial planners will say, Okay, it's stupid. Take the lump sum. It's less money up front, but you do not count you can multiply. Yeah, do not count on the government to pay you at any point. The United States is fall and you're okay, out of your cash. So you're saying, put the lump sum in a high yield savings account. Yeah, yeah, you would get more. Let yourself decide, and yeah, you invest that. You you turn it into more and with a lump sum, if you do the right things with it, you'll end up with way more money in the long run. Anyways, if you take the if you take just that three seventy five a year, you're not you're not taking as that much. Sure, don't, don't do the annuity. It's tempting. That's why they do it, because they can, because they can just stop. Yeah one day. Yeah. Uh so. Anyways, so she's still getting paid on this though she's supposed to still getting paid on this. So this whole thing goes through, they overturn it, and then the original guy who bought the ticket, Edwards Seward comes forward and it's like, well, hey, wait, hold on, hold on a second, I bought that ticket. He's like he's like, he's like, we had a deal that if if you won the lottery, you'd buy me a new gray pickup truck with a strike down the middle of it. And and I wrote that down. Actually I didn't write it down. I had a plate with a little butter upside down and that meant gray truck, one strike. Everyone else, everybody, everybody, he knows that what that means, what that means. Ask any waffle house chef and they will tell you that's what that means. And so she goes to this, she goes, what a jury full of waffle house chefs gotta take a lot of smoke breaks in the middle of every fifteen minutes, every fifteen minutes of court. We're gonna take the judges like again again, really, yeah, yeah I didn't. Last time I was a part of the last smoke was why didn't you well wa in a verbal agreement. Sorry, we're all we're all sharing this pack of marble reds. Yeah, she wouldn't split with us, and now we're all This does not seem like a jury of your peers, the journey of your enemies. That sounds like I think, hold on, hold on, patent pending oh, ray is a high in a Jersey Miami. No, here's patent pending. Great show, game show, cool where I'm on board already. The entire jurny is your biggest enemies you have to win in court against. I like this idea. We can call it a court of thorn and roses. This is we're onto something near pat pat pending tranmark. No, we can call it. Uh, you know, Reagan and I want to go on divorce Court. We'll get divorced, but it's all actors. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty fun, and we will go on divorce court. Now that we're living out in LA We're going to be that physics home in Mount Vernon and everyone's like, I'm sorry, so sorry about the divorce. Yeah, because they all watch Divorce Court. They keep up with it. Dude, everyone a mount and it is just like the TV are it every day? They DVR it now they're they're taking VHS tapes of it. They recorded it on VHS and they watch reruns of Divorcer. They are actually a couple of seasons behind too. Right now they haven't caught up on Deforced. Did you record Divorce Court? Now I'm trying to think of what you'd call that show. I don't know. I don't have any ideas yet. Well I have the brainstorm it, but I like the concept. Hey, thanks for checking out our show. If you like it and you want to support be a part of what we're doing here, you can do that by becoming a patron. What happens there is you get to be in the community. We have a discord with our hosted producers. We have a lot of fun. We're super active in there. Every day. You get access to add free content a week before everybody else, and we have a zoom every month with our patrons. We hang out, we eat pizza, we get to know you a little bit better. It's a blast, and there's a ton of other different bete f It's like merch discounts, birthday messages, things like that that are super cool. If you want to be in that, you can just text Tillan to six six eight sixty six uh and that'll get you right in there. If not, we're just super glad that you're here and thanks for watching our show. Okay, anyways, so Tanda is she goes to court with Edward and then or was that his name? Edward Seward. Edward Seward. That's right. Edward just wants his truck. And so they go to court. They go to court over this, and again she wins. They're like, he does, I don't know you, and you gifted you gifted it to her. There's no like written agreement. It was in Alabama. It's illegal anyways there so this is invalid. So now she's got a lot of enemies and perfect candidate for our show. Hey, remember all the courts you were in. You know who also a perfect candidate for our show. The manager at my apartment cop. I love to put him on the stand. I like I like the idea. I like the idea that people the contestants do not know that is going to be their enemy. Like the contestants come on and then they're like, all right, no lawyers, your verbal argument, yeah, but you're against a real lawyer and the lawyer's good lawyers. Okay. By the end of it, you think you're the Yeah, you're like, shoot, man, I suck. But then then the judge is like, all rise, and then everybody rises in the back like please welcome the jury. And the jury walks in from backstage with the fireworks and everything is that what I've never been to court? And they walk out and then there's the big reveal be called court fronted, court fronted, I like that, or confront court or but anyways, and that's the moment you realize who is the jury? Like, they don't know that they're facing their enemies until that moment. Oh my gosh. I like a spin off of The Bachelor where it's it's all the girls you sent home. You know, that's a good way to spin this show. Yeah, I like that. I like that, and are you looking for love? For you? It's it's still court, but it's all there, the jury, the divorce that you're having from the girl that you chose, and you get to take home. Yeah, it changes the game because now when you're the Bachelor, you got to think about jury management and hold on, what if at the end of The Bachelor, all the girls you send home get to vote on which girl you choose from the final they decide decide they think is the best. Oh my gosh, dude, we should be scummy better. Anyways, patent pending on all of that. Yeah, you can't steal any of that or verbal agreement and that we'll sue your brains out in front of a jury of your enemies. And it's legal in the state of Missouri. So you can't you can't find it, you know, you know it's legal in the state of Missouri. Murder le Basically they went for They were like, you know what, why are actually why are we pretended? We all love it? We forget love it. I'll show you. Come over here, let me show you. You know, my favorite crime is okay, all right, So she's making enemies wherever she goes. Yeah, so, uh, well, it's a bunch of people who want her money, for sure. Yeah. So now as if the money more problems. This is like a two year long thing. She's racked up a lot of uh, lawyer bills, legal bills, and here's the thing. She took to a newity. So she's making three hundred fifty thousand, fifty seven thousand a year. Now she owns and now she owes a lot of money. And that got tied up for a second. So she's still working because she's not at Yeah, she's well, she's working. Interviewed and they're putting plates out with the butter on the left side, and she goes, that's the middle finger. Yeah, you can't. I can't say that out loud. You gotta blurr if you took a picture of it. We got one, We got one. Now they it's like a two year long thing. And there they thought they won the lottery and they're still living like they have n't, yeah, because they're paying so much legal debt. And so the stress of the whole ordeal leads to her and her husband splitting up. Here they are after their divorce court shoot, and uh, what's he doing in this photo? He's okay. It's like, hey, guys, hello, I'm the husband that's leaving. And this is the year ninety. This is two thousand and one. Yeah, so they split up and he in the divorce. He's already had such a rough year. Yeah, in two thousand and one. Look at his hat Chevrolet racing. What happened to two and one in Chevrolet racing. That's a rough year for that guy, because not only is his money tied up, you know, from one lottery d'l Earnhardt died. Did he died in two thousand and one? Bro? One of my buddies here in Kansas City, Dustin Slint's a very funny comedian has a really good joke. Okay, so I mean like they're having a rough time. Yeah. So they get this divorce and he ends up taking half of the winnings. Remember it's an annuity, so that's like one hundred and fifty one thousand a year. Okay, now what he's like one hundred but he's not in the Dutch to the lawyers, No, yeah, no, she is shooting. So now she's making she's bringing in half of what she was bringing in, which is still a very good salary. But it's the salary. It's not this is not a million millions of dollars, right, And uh, it got worse because then the I R S said, oh, hey, remember when you won the lottery and you gifted your family a bunch of money. You didn't pay gift tax on that, so you als two million dollars. So the LLC did not work. Yeah, the IRS figured it out and they're like, you os gift tax on that. And so they're like, that's two million dollars at you os. She has not made two million dollars. And so she goes to court with the I R S and now was paying legal fees for that is trying to figure out, Okay, I can't pay gift tax and we set this up like their owners. They're not it wasn't a gift whatever. That's not a financial advisor though, right, because that's bad advising. That's interesting. I don't know that's the defense I would have taken. It's like you just took the advice of a financial advisor. Yeah, that's an interesting point. I don't know. I don't know what I should contact her and be like, hey, hey, you want to do another lawsuit. We you know, remember the courts that you were what if the jury? What if what if the jury was your ex husband and the judge was that and the judge was Steve Harvey unqualified? But he has a judge. He has a judge show. Is he a judge? He's got a judge show? Is he a judge on the show. He's a judge. But is he allowed to like is he a real judge? So when you go on those shows, you're oh, go ahead, I was talking about staying there. Actors, you like you understand that. I'm saying, like, so judge judy right, Yah, those are real cases sometimes most of the time. Yeah, what they typically do they do is for Doctor Phil as well is like, so we went to the taping of Doctor Phil. Yeah, they filmed two episodes much like what we're doing today. Uh, and one of them is serious and one of us Uh. Okay, anyway, I was honestly I expected you not to notice that. I thought it'd be funny if I just progressively got smaller you didn't notice. I was trying to see that. So anyway, were you at the top earlier? Yeah? Yeah, I thought I was gonna get away with that, all right, So anyway from up here top of Mount Vernon over here. No, So they'll do one episode that's like a serious episode, yeah, and they'll do one that's like this is clickbait you know. Oh yeah yeah yeah. So uh, when you go on Judge Judy with a serious case, you're signing a waiver that is basically like whatever she determines is like, you're giving her whatever that that right is to to make the call on your on your case. Yeah, you're you're settling it even though she's not a judge. She's not a judge. Yeah, so you're you're settling. You're settling right, legally, what's happening is you're settling on a court with a third party. Mediate, Okay, it's you're naming her? Yes, yeah, interesting and so so Steve Harvey can do that because it's the same thing because you're signing a waiver and being like whatever, just honor whatever she decides. So, now, Judge Judy did used to be a real judge. But on the show she's so well, yeah, but she was a real judge, so she she knows some of those judge shows that are courtis actors. You know, we should have Bellie Jane be our judge. We you know, the we cauld actually make that happen, right, Bubby Jane, you know that we could get those people on our show if we want. I think so ya, I don't think so. I know so why because I know how to do that now? Okay, anyways, I live in Hollywood. Let me let me mention this before I forget, before we move on too far. I forgot to show you I know the guy Steve Harvey's mustache every morning. Hey, thanks for checking out with this episode. If you're enjoying this, let me recommend Timothy Dexter. It's one of my favorite episodes, not just because the content's great, but because it was our live episode. We shot that in front of a live audience, just like Doctor Phil. It was awesome. You won't believe anyways, thanks for me here. It's actually there's actually two of them, two of them for each side. Yeah, well I am an understudy too. He just didn't have an understudy, you know. And he's just buyings. He gets a text at lunch. She's like, hold on, sorry, it's just my mom. I was really hoping it was Steve Harvey's assistant. He's at the birth of his child and he gets the text and he's like, honey, I gotta go. Steve needs fulls to come. He's got it in like a concealed carry holster. I'm always backing. Geez. No, I wanted to show you. I forgot to show you this, but I wanted to show you Edward Seward during the court battle. Okay, oh sorry, wrong one? What was that was? That was a picture I took earlier? Yeah, this is us? Look at that how tall I was? Anyways? Yeah, this is Edward Seward walking into his court battle, trying to get his trunk with singles. This is two thousand, the year two thousand. This is like two thousand three. Or two thousand and three. He's severely sunburn. Yeah, he goes a Florida. He's severely sonburn on his chest. And he doesn't he looks like what Alex could look like when he's old. There. He looks like he looks like the kind of guy who would dip in lottery tickets. Yeah, he's got what I would describe as the Beatles haircut. Yeah, it's definitely a Beatles haircut. And these two women next to him look like they're in one of those cult documentaries. Boy, they're like they're both married to him. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Anyways, that was the style in early two thousands, was just dressing like you're in a cult. Yeah, that was the thing I saw. I I was listening to a podcast fashion style is called cult Classic. I was listening to a podcast this morning where they talked about the nineties. It was a British podcast, and so they're talking about the nineties and they talked about the two thousands. But in Britain, I guess they we call it the two thousands, right, they called the yachts. He called it the knots. The Knots called the knots he said. It was a very clear end because I scrolled back because I was like, he just called it two thousands, the knots. Oh, well he's not wrong. Then the Naughties? Is that what you just did? You add that? No, because he said he did, he called it? Did he did? Because he said the nineties and then the Naughties. That's what he said. He must not admit to you said the Naughties. Anyways, say from now on it's the Naties. So the r S they she gets them the suit with the r S and the r S says you s gift gift taxi. That's two million dollars. Uh. Well, because did her family get the payouts? Yeah, they did. They're getting their newdies too. She's the one who's not getting the payout, right. Well, she did it for a minute and then well I guess nobody did. For a minute, nobody was getting it, and then she started getting it. So actually I was saying she was getting three hundred seventy five, but that was the full so she was getting forty nine percent of that, and then she split the forty nine percent with her husband after the loss. So he kept his part. Yeah, and he kept his great truck with a stripe, bought it. He bought that right after the court date and drank like Edward was like that much. I wanted that truck. That was the truck I wanted. That was my And he bought a bull guy I had, like a gray bulldozer with a white stripe. Was the words were coming out of my mouth. You stole them from me. You ripped him out from under me. And I'll never forget that. Is that why he moved to California? Are you shopping anyways? The I R S. So they go to She goes to court with the R S, and the r S uh wins. Obviously the IRS never loses in court. That's not possible. Yeah, guys on the inside. Yeah, and so they have a jury of their peers. Judge Judy also owes them money. So yeah, she she starts to do it, and then in the earpiece that they haven't planted in her brain, they said in her brain said remember what U O us right before she read her verdict. Okay, and so she changed her mind and she said, yeah, that was a gift to you, O gift tax but fortunately good news. Well let's take it off every year. Well, no, they said depreciation the economy is down, so it's not worth two million now, it's actually worth seven hundred and fifty thousand. So that's the only gift tax, you know. But still but still, at this point, she's earning half of half of what that was, so it would have been I mean, she's probably taken home like ninety thousand a year right now. So and she owe seven hundred fifty thousand dollars in back taxes now, yeah, for that gift tax. So she doesn't have a pretty bad spot. Uh, gets a job working in wah full house. No, we're going to say it together at the same time on three in yeah, working. Uh, it's a new city near Mobile, Alabama. We'll say it at the same time and see if we can get it sure, three two one Okay, Birmingham Now Biloxi, Mississippi a great place that we've visited. Yeah, and we've also visited Mobile. I visited Mobile too, Yeah, but we visited Biloxi together and we had crawfish and Biloxi that's right, And it was honestly, I didn't really like seafood at the time, and I liked it. The situation is rough, Yeah, bringing in about ninety thousand in this annuity, probably having to give most of that back to the irs in payments for back taxes. So she she gets a job in BOXI, Mississippi as a poker dealer at a casino out there, and one day she's She's like, well, gambling hasn't ruined my life or no, she says. She says, I'm gonna go to work today. So she walks out to her driveway, gets in her car. And she gets in her car and hiding in the back seat is not her ex husband, but her other ex husband, the ex husband before this ex husband, who is like, you never gave me any of that lottery, and she's like, I never got any lottery, and he kidnaps her and he takes her to a secluded swamp and gets into a boat and starts boating out into the swamp with her and is like, you never gave me any lottery, and I'm gonna kill you for it. What And she is trying to figure out what she's gonna do. Her phone starts ringing in her purse and she says, hey, if if I don't answer that, they're gonna know I'm missing. And they're gonna catch you, and he said, and so she's like no. He's like, no, you can't. And she's like, she's like, they're gonna they're gonna find out if I don't know, it's not like so she answered, she goes upside down butter with a chocolate chip on top, and he's like, what did you say to them? I just told them, I just told them what kind of butter plate. I just told him I would like to set my plate. No, so she reaches in her bag and doesn't grab her phone, grabs her gun. Heck, yeah, dude shoots him in the chest. O, my god, and he survives, falls into the swamp though he still lives out there. You could hear him if he's out there. He just says, lottery numbers four eight, none of them have flood You're sinking. But it's like he was. No. He falls up in the swamp. She drives back to shore and she takes him to the hospital and he ends up surviving his wounds. She us charging she takes her to the hospital. She takes him to the hospital. Okay, great, great, Tor axes she would not be in the jury because I mean attempted murder it's a big thing. Is there anybody here who has a reason for not being into this jury. I tried to kill her once jur number six. You can be dismissed. I'm in the public eye. I don't know who you are. So she but she ends up not getting in trouble herself. They wrote the self defense. They said, you're clear, you're not in trouble. I know, that's what I said, what I felt. She didn't catch any charges for that, okay, because they're like that self defense, you're clear. But yeah, the lottery absolutely ruined her life, everything that happened. So what's happened to her today? It's hard to find any information about her now. She's kind of started to live under the radar after, you know, someone try to kill her over the lottery. Sure, but uh she started getting paid out. Yeah, probably, but I mean it's a thirty year payment, so she would be receiving that still. I mean, she's coming close to the end of it, jeez man. But uh, it's not making what she could have should have took the lum sum, should have invested in. Just saying just saying does not financial advice. If you are you need to go invest that in your downstream of people, because the only way to get to the top is to have people underneath. You got to have them below you. Yeah, that's you got to pay people to be below you. Yeah. Yeah, that's how it works. Anyways, the legend says, though to this day, at that waffle house. Oh, if if you go on lottery night, lottery which nice that Wednesdays and Sundays, I think, okay, I think, I don't. I'm pretty sure, but you go on lottery nights and you go out to that specific waffle house on the jukebox while the numbers are being read on the TV. Yeah, the jukebox. It looks you can unplug it. You want unplug the jukebox. There's no stop in it and it plays a little fiddle off. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, you can subscribe or watch some more episodes or some clips. But then I need to make this like twenty seconds. My producer said it has to be longer, So I'm just gonna keep talking for a little bit. And is this long enough? Connor, Okay, cool? Yeah, thanks for being here.


In 1999, Tanda Dickerson was working as a waitress at a Waffle House in Mobile, Alabama. She had a regular customer named Edward Seward who would tip her and the other waitresses lottery tickets instead of cash. This was a big deal since the lottery was illegal in Alabama at the time. One day, Edward gave Tanda a ticket and … Read More

Killdozer- How a Crazy Man, Marvin Heemeyer, Destroyed a Town

01-02-24

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Made by robots for robots. Only read if you’re werid.

All right, all right, put the clown down, man? What's up? Leave that? Put the clown down? In all right? Okay, hey man, have you ever heard of oh wait, happy to Okay? Is that when this episode comes out January third? Great? Yeah, well no January second. Oh that means it's getting closer to my show in Berlin mayor February or in of course. Hold on, hold on, I don't know how to say this. I don't know how to say this place in Idaho. Oh no, I got I got you, I got you, I got Okay, I'm gonna show it up your show. No, I'm looking up your schedule. You don't need to tell me. What's the date? April thirteenth. April thirteenth, Holy Count's way out there. Uh right now, it's getting closer. Cord to Allen, Yeah, Court Cord cor Day, Allen cord Day, Allen Cord Allen. I don't know how to say that cordline. It's probably a Chortlaine chortal. You think it's Chortaline, Yeah, that oe you are chorta laine c o e U r e. Oh No, it's not any c o E you are. That's chored. I think it's chore, cow chore, Dalen Idaho. I think April thirteenth. Yeah, Merlin's Cordoline tord Yeah. Anyways, hey man, have you ever heard of Marvin he Meyer? Marvin he Meyer? Yeah. I don't know if we're saying that one right either, but that's all right, we'll run it. It's Marvin h. C O. E you are e e y e are okay, Marvin he Meyer. You might know him by his uh more infamous title. Uh okay, killdozer. This is not like a typical front loader. This is a beef Boy bulldozer. Beef boy. This is a beef Boy bulldozer. So they were like reinforced so that way they could run trees over, oh gees. Not like big trees, but like trees. I understand there's a reinforced concrete bulldozer hitting your building. I don't know how that could be more clear things I learned last night. I'm sorry. Have you ever heard of him? Murder? No? Okay, kill dozer? Yeah technically no, what does he technically know? Killo sounds like a monster truck. It's more about attempted murderer. Okay, that's actual more attempt all right, So we're We're not like a true crime podcast. We're true almost crime. Yeah, we're dipping our heat. We're in our toes in true crime, the way he dipped his toes and murder fully commit make it okay? But he tried? All right, So this is an attempted murder story. Yes, well, who's the killing allegedly? Allegedly we don't know for sure. If he try to kill somebody with a bulldozer, we don't know. It's allegedly he didn't, though, but it depends who you ask if he tried or not. We don't know for sure. Okay, let's just with a bulldozer. Yeah, let's just tell the story. Oh wait, but before we do, I got these energy drinks today from a guy. There's no way I'm putting that in my body now. He told me from a guy. He said, what do you do? Man? I told him what I do and he's like, that's cool. And I was like, what do you do man? And he's like he's like oh. He's like he's like, I'm just trying not to work too much. And I was like, oh yeah, and I was like and he's like, can you set the scene of where you met this guy? Is this on the street car? I can't. This guy goes, hey, man, now this was at uh Tropical Smoothie Cafe. I was eating lunch and he this is not better. He came up to me. Dropical Smoothie Cafe is the street car of cafe. He came up to me and he asked me about my tattoos. And so we talked about my tattoos. Dude, that's how that's a that's a cult. That's how people are are roping you into MLMs. This is an mL Yeah, so tattoos they do that. He invites you to his house. Yeah, look at look at the logo on the bottom corner. Yeah. Second, he said it. He told me, He told me, Yeah, he told me. A guy offered him a couple of these and he said, oh my gosh, these are the best thing I've ever tasted my life. So, if you're unfamiliar, Amway targets people with tattoos for some reason. This needs a way to start a conversation. But they they will invite you over. You'll think you made a new friend. They're very personable. And then you'll go to their house and they'll have like a whiteboard in their freaking living room and everyone's in business casual attire, and they'll just run you through the pitch. This happen and to me, but it wasn't like at a house. It was that I had known in high school. Was there a topic close? This was okay. It was a guy I knew in high school who we were living in Springfield, and he was like driving from Saint Louis to Oklahoma or whatever. He said, hey, man, I'm passing through Springfield. Let's grab coffee and catch up. And I was like, oh, sure, man, I said, well you start you stopping in Springfield long? I mean it's like it's like a Tuesday night. Yeah. And he's like, no, man, I was passing through tonight and it's already like eight pm. And I was like okay, I said, well sure, he goes yeah, man, that isn't mudhouse downtown open late. Let's just stop there. Let's meet there at like eleven Oh no. And I was like eleven okay, And you know we're we're living at that house. We were staying up till one in the morning anywhere. That's college. So I was like sure, man. So I met him there at eleven pm. Eleven makes me PM. That makes me literally want to make myself throw up. Like if someone invites me to that, I walk in and I go, how even going long? Okay, that's what I do with don't invite me to something, especially at eleven at eleven pm? Yeah. Yeah, So I go to Mudhouse and he starts talking about how his new job is great, and I was like, that's really cool man. He's like, yeah, man, I'm just really hustling out here. And it's an amway pitch at eleven PM on a Tuesday for me I have not talked to in several years. Did you buy in? Now? I threw up all over him. I did exactly what you wanted me to. You learned well. But anyways, Yeah, so this guy, this guy comes up because I love your tattoos, which immediately is like, okay, we talked for a minute. He had tattoos too. I don't want to want I was going to ask which one you wanted to talk for a minute about tattoos. He had a couple of twos. Tell me about what this meant or whatever, and he asked me what mine meant and I said, no, yeah, are you looking at the B twelve? Why is there that much B twelve in here? There's that's the B twelve on twelve bro. I mean like Celsius has a lot of B twelve. I thought this has almost seven times the amount of BE twelve, which is a nutrient that your body can't. Like really, yeah, it's not necessarily for Celsius to have it in there. Yeah it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, after this will go work out. This is like freaking. This is like opening the Vitamin Sea gummies and eating all of the whole thing. We might see the hat man if we drink this how much caffeine? No, But then then so we talk a little bit about work or whatever, and he and anyways he is, And then the conversation ends with the person from Trouble Smooth Cafe. Oh, it's only one hundred and fourteen milli creams of caffeine, So I mean it's not terrible. Yeah, not terrible. I mean the conversation ends with the person who works there, Tony, walking up and handing him the food because he's a door dasher. Uh. And then so he's like he's like, I'm gonna take this delivery. There is around your pyramid scheme while you're door dashing. That's at the time I met Brian Reaganash. Yeah, no, So I met Brian Reagan at fifty fourth Street. I walk in. He's at a table and I was like, Brian Reagan and we're sitting there chatting. He's very nice and because he had just he's with his manager and they had just done the comedy Club and I was like, I'm a comedian, you know, I was a big fan. You know. We're chitting there chatting or whatever, and he goes, you know, how's comedy going. And I was like, well, I'm I'm doors right now, so pretty good. So, Brian, if you see this, I don't door dasher anymore. I used to be a door dasher who did stand up, you know, and now I'm a stand up who does door dash. Also sell and I have so good also sell things on nanty he said, he said, he's but anyway, so he goes out, jumps his car. I thought he's gone. I go back to watch my video and eating my chicken pesto and he comes back in and he comes back in with these cans and he's like he's like, he's like, hey man, my dasher could wait the person whose food I have, it's gonna they're gonna get it cold because you are going to get these cold all right, They're gonna get some cold ones and you're gonna get yeah, he said, he said, these ones are on me. I hope to see you around. I don't know why it's called excess uh yeah, and he well, it's because of the excess beat. Well there, but yeah, he said, if you're listening and you're like doing the amway thing, I want you to know, I mean full offense, you're he might be the dumbest person they've ever met. He told me. He said, he said, you want to know the best part about these And I was like what He's like, can get them on Amazon, can't get my Walmart. You can only get them from me. And I was like, Oh, that is the best part because I don't know your name and I have no way of contacting you, and I just got to order a lot of door dash and hopes that you're my Dash the desert. Oh thank god. I have spending seven thousand dollars on Hawaiian bros. And bro I got hooked on that hit me with that beat twelve. Let's try them. I hope it's awful. I can taste the be twelve that tastes I taste it. I literally taste the Bee twelve. I mean it does taste like cherry cola, Like, just like cherry cola. How many of these I gotta sell to get a helicopter? I think it says in the claimer on the side he told me he said he went straight to the top. He didn't. He didn't talk to the guy who first gave it to him. He said, I went straight to the board. Six people up there. I'll talk about the guys on the board. I mean, I guess that's the way you gotta do it. If you're in a pyramid scheme, you realize it's a pyramid scheme. You gotta jump, you gotta jump, jump up, and then all of a sudden, like the person who's trying to put you in their downstream, they're in your downstream, and you're like, yeah, thank you so much for doing that. Yeah, thanks appreciate it. Hey, you gotta respect the hustle. Yeah I don't, but you're you gotta. I guess you're supposed to respect them. We're supposed to respect the hustle. I don't so here's to you. What was his name? That's right. I know that your marketing skills were awful. You're really bad at this, hey, and you're gonna fail. But this is pretty tasty, I will admit I do. I'm not against it. I hope I hope this hits. In the middle of this episode, Jane and I are going to go and to I've already had too Celsius today. I don't know how much more B twelve I can take. All right, anyway, so let's talk about barbone. Let's I mean, let's put the Amway logo, can we put here? Let's do a you know we win as well. This podcast is brought to you by Amway. If you want these energy drinks, you're gonna have to find that random door dasher and leave some of Missouri in Blue Springs, Missouri. Maybe just order as much as you can until he shows up. He's out there whenever, whenever they ring the doorbell, just be like, hey, you do Amway and uh And if you would like to flush the money down the toilet, you can go to Amway dot com, sign up, buy a lot of products, give him away for free while you're door dashing and I'm sorry. I'm really trashing this thing. There's there's got to be somebody who listens listened to our podcast who does amway. Yeah, that's fine. I mean it's not a bad drink. I'm kind of enjoying it. Zero sugar, lots of b vitamins, Uncommon Goods dot com. You can't get this. I can't get this there. Okay. So Marvin he Meyer, I'm trying to find a picture of this that I can show you. And you'll understand what I mean by that in a minute. I know what you're trying to do. You're trying to give me a spin on this carpet. It's just so good. I going to sacrifice that beat. Well, I've got to get all this beat twelve. So Marvin his Fred they they had had their eyes. You should show me a picture. Yeah you want to see Marv. Yeah this is Marv he Meyer. I understand what you show me that. Yeah, you know what, he's got a really hot hairline. That's some alpha male, alpha male. So him and him and his him and his friend. They've been eyeing this property in Granby, Colorado this year. This is a good parcel of land. They want that shop on the land, right, Okay, they want to open up, and they weren't sure. They just wanted to invest in that maybe a muffler shop, maybe a welding shop, maybe a car shop, maybe rented out. They don't know sure, So they've been eyeing it. They go the approach the owner, and the owner is like, yeah, you can buy it for one hundred and ten thousand dollars. And this is in nineteen ninety one, and we think that's overpriced. Yeah. They're like nah, and so they wait and then they find out it goes into foreclosure auction. So ninety one, they go up to this foreclosure auction and they said, top line, we want to spend on this sixty five thousand, so if it if it passes that, we won't take it. If it's under that, we'll take it. So they go in. There's one hundred and fifty properties in the Granby area that are in a part of this auction, and so it's going through property after property. Him and his friend are sitting there watching it all happen. This property comes up and they're like, okay, this is our one, this is our bid. They bid forty one dollar. Sure, no, yeah, it goes up. First bid is thirty five k, and so they say one hundred and ten dollars. Looks around the room and like, that guy can't do that. That guy's the owner. He's not allowed to be he's not allowed. Why I want it, please, give it to please? He said, you didn't pay last time. Yeah, but if I'm going to do it now, if I buy now, I can reset reset. They're like, you should pay that one hundred and ten thousand dollars on fixing your voice, you muppet. They really bullied the guy. It's a loophole. The bank still want you to know this secret. The banks don't want you to know these three secrets. One, all right, go ahead. One buy your property back at the auction, and then they can't do anything about it. It's twos. Two you can't give this property from anybody else. You can only get it for me. And three if you talk like this, they have to listen to what you say. They can't tell you to shut up, and if they do, they're breaking I couldn't do it. I was trying to tell you shut up. I Could's against the law. You can't do it. No, So the guy up front beds thirty five thousand, and he's like, he's like, oh, we're gonna Marv. He's like, Oh, we're gonna get this for under what we want, Okay, So he raises it to forty and then the other guy down front stands up on his chair, really escalates the situation. Sure looks back at Marv and then says forty five, and so Marv Marv is like, all right, forty six. No, he goes he goes fifty, which he should have said forty six. He's jumping. They're jumping too high, they're jumping too much. Yeah, So they jump to fifty and then the guy looks at him and he's like, sits down, and Marv gets the property for fifty thousand dollars. The whole auction ends, and the guy up front walks up to him and just choose him out. In front of everyone in this auction house is a guy by the name of Cody do Chef, and Cody he is. He owns a concrete plant in town, and I guess he just wanted to expand his operation to the first place, but he didn't want to spend more than forty five thousand apparently. Yeah, and so he choose out Marv and they kind of get into it and he's like, He's like, dare you take that property out from under me? Like I've been wanting that. I was talking to the owner about picking that up when it came to auction. I've told everyone I wanted there. I wanted it. I wanted it. I want the land, you say her, Yeah, I want the land. The land is sounds like it might be about something else, you know. I think I think you're what else is Tommy Matt about is Cody? I know? But it was a that's a callback to our show. What we have a show? What is this? All right? I remember anything? I was cut off from the beat twelve. I don't remember that bit? Cody? Cody? Can we leave? In the part of this episode where Alex wanted to bail, yeah, I didn't want to bail. I was here the whole time. Seemed like you wanted to bail. Now I've been here for all twenty seven minutes. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. 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They the whole thing happens, and Marve blocks away being like, man, that guy sucks, but whatever, Like we got the property, so go to the property and they start kind of scheming plan on what they're going to do with it. Yeah, they really, let's let's paint the building. That just says Cody sucks. Cody sucks, but like a really good page job, like the PA job good. This isn't just like Cody sucks. Sucks. This is this is like freaking this NFL stadium. Yeah, it's beautiful. I wanted to light up at night. It lights up when you drive by. It's got motion sensors. And Cody sucks. You put a little you put a little n f C tag on Cody's car, right, so it only lights up drives no one else and it's so bright and due. He thinks he's crazy because he tells other people go drive by, it'll turn nothing, nothing. When he drives by, it turns off every time. Now you're in his head. You're really going to ruin his life because you're taking his land and potentially someone's taking his wife. You know what I'm saying. We think it seems like he's got some kind of issue going on. Else is happening here, So what do they want to with it? So he uh, pretty much immediately the city contacts him and was like, hey, thanks for buying that property, Glad you got it. Huh, by the way, I can't have it, they said, by the way. So the last owner, the previous owner was in a lot of trouble with us. I know, you get to be a trouble because this is your property. Now, it's your problem now. And so what had happened was, uh, the previous owner, instead of hooking up to the sewer main, uh from that building, he decided to put in a septic tank. But instead of installing a septic tank, he took a concrete mixer truck and took the mixer part and buried it underground and just ran a hose to it. And that was his septic tank. And they were like, that's not allowed, and now it's yours. And since it's on your property, so they're like, yeah, not only can you not use that anymore, but we need you to run a sewer line out to the sewer. The problem with that is the sewermain. How much does it cost to do that? Well, typically the sewer remain's in the street, and so it costs a few thousand dollars to just dig it out and then run it to the street and hook it up to the The problem is with the way this property is laid out. The sewermain is not on the street in front of his It's on the next block over, So they have to go underneath the street. They have to go from this property underneath the street and then underneath the other set of properties and into the sewer. So he got it quoted and it was going to be eighteen thousand dollars to run this new sewer main And they said, also, by the way, you need to talk your neighbors into letting you put an easement in a maintenance'sment in, because that's also required required and you're the one who would be using it, so you have to no one, And they don't say that before you buy the property. No, And they were like, they were like, so, yeah, you need to. This feels like my apartment complex, not the one I live in now. Yeah, it's pretty great, the old one. When I say my apartment complex, you know who I'm free talking about. So Marv is like, well, this is jacked up and I don't want to do that. And he's like, he's like, can you just sell the property? He's like, he calls Cody. He's like, hey, Cody, Cody, I got an idea. Hey for so he says, he says, no, that's ridiculous. I got a septic tank. I've got a solution. I'm going to do that instead. You guys are just stupid, which is a really good course of action to take with the government. It works out really well for them, so he goes He actually gets into a legal battle with the city over this, but he plans to continue using the septic tank, and so in the meantime he's like, he's like, I can't operate a normal business out of it. But he's like, I can't go get the zoned as a boat rental property. And so he splits the unit into three units, puts a big garage door and a normal cycle core, and then he rents it out and pretty immediately gets three people to rent it out, put their boat in, and keep it over there through the winters and stuff like that. And he's like, that cover my mortgage payment on it, or loan payment whatever. He got probably a mortgage, and I was good and while I argued with the city about what was going to happen with my sectic line, okay. And so this became a big issue, and he started to feel like the government was like a good, good old boys club, you know, like the local government, the local government. This town is not like a this is not a big town. Yeah, this is a town of like I don't know, hold on, I'm pulling up the population. Uh, it doesn't even say here. Oh wait two thousand. Okay, So it's like like Mount Vernon size yeah, and uh and it's like a little mountain Mount Vernon. But yeah, it's a little mountain town. US a mountain town where of the mountaineers. Don't name name a mountain near Mount Vernon, you idiot. Yeah, it's not a mountain town. I would to be honest with you. Man, you're wrong. It's a suburb. And told you we started on the summer thing. Uh so uh, he starts getting did you finish this holy count? Not even halfway through mine? Uh? Probert? Can you can you make me blow? Thank you? Crobert? Thanks? Crab crab all right, crab daddy crab dust. Anyway, did we did we call him Crobert in an episode? I was thinking that this morning. I don't know he knows about that. That's his name. You're right, sorryse he knows his name, all right. So, uh, Marv is now in this longgoing dispute with the city council and he feels he feels as though I'm crying right now, all right, Okay, So he feels as though the city council is a group of people who are. Uh, they have a stranglehold on the town because they are because they've lived there the whole life. Like there's there's this one family that owns a construction company. The sons are now running the construction. Yeah. The only reason they're still there is because their grandfather bought like half the land and in the town. And you know, it was there before anybody else. And there's still not a lot of people there. You know. It's that kind of a small town politics, you know. Uh. And he's getting very frustrated dealing with all of it. Finally ends up just saying, forget it, I'm not putting up a muffler shop. Turns that property into a muffler shop, and as I'm using the septic tank, it's fine, it's not a big deal. You can you can deal with it. And so he does this from ninety two until two thousand and three, running eleven years. Yeah, running the muffler business out of there. He's a welder, develops a great reputation as a welder in town. Everyone's like, if you need something welded, he's your guy. This is the guy. He's the only guy in town. But he's also the best guy in town. The guy mysteriously died. It's kind of crazy in a welding accident. Yeah, in a welding They say his body's never been found. I will say a serial killer with a welding mask. Though. It's very scary. So he's he opens up his welding company. He starts doing welds. He is an avid snowmobiler and he develops he builds like this crew snowmobilers that goes out all the time and snowmobiles around town. Not around town, but around like the around around the mountain, around the actual mountain that was there, because it's a real mountain town. Yea, the snowmobiling around. But it's like this is like a snowmobile crew. Like sometimes it's like five or six people that go out, but it was Larkboards of seventy would go out and snowmobile together. And he made these bumpers for everyone snowmobiles. And so he would hook these bumpers on them, which they called it bumpers, but he hooked an extra bumper on them so they were like reinforced so that way they could run trees over. Oh, not like big trees, but like trees. I understand, and just I wasn't thinking they were taken out. You know, I'm not dumb. You know, at least two of them died because they are dumb. You know. They're like, I can hear trees with this, get trees with this thing. Yeah, I bet we can hit each other. Second, when I got my wife or jeep, and she was like, now I can run over parking curbs. And I said, why is it the first thing you said? Thank you? Yet you said, oh my god, I can't wait to hit a lot of curve run stuff over. And so he's he's getting more and more frustrated with the city. I'm getting frustrated with this continually, uh, continually taking him into city council meetings and disagree arguing with him over to the septic thing. And finally two thousand and three, they slap him with a fine, okay for not setting up the tank. And the fine was one hundred dollars a week for the entire period he's been there. So it's a few dollars, yeah, of a fine. And so he had a he actually he wrote this, he wrote the fine and uh, he like did this thing on the check where he put like to the establishment or something like that, like something like this guy really and gave it to them and then they shipped it back and they were like, this check's invalid, and they're like, you have to do it right, and he was like, I forget you guys. So he had to rewrite the check. So him and the town have a bad relationship. That's point number one. Point number two. He opens up this muffler shop, is running the muffler shop, and in ninety nine Cody do Chef it's like, it's time to expand my my concrete batch department or whatever, and so he buys a parcel of land right next door to his muffler shop and is trying to get it zoned to be a concrete batch sure center. Marv thought that this was not okay for a couple of reasons. One, he hates Cody hate him. Two, he thought that the zoning didn't make sense because there's on the other side of the street there's a bunch of hotels, and then on the other side behind him is a neighborhood. And so he said that if they're mixing and making concrete right there, there's going to be a bunch of pollution and noise right there, and he said that's not right for zoning. You can't put it there. And so he started arguing with the city council put him and the city council already have a terribor relationship like this guy again. Yeah, and so he starts going to all the public hearings about it, trying to shoot it down and ends up delaying the I think am I getting into public hearings? Yeah? Yeah, just going, just going, I mean, like what else am I doing? I mean, do you think that's a good usage your time though? Yeah, I mean, like just to go observe and be involved in my local government. Yeah, you know, it sounds like it sounds like when people do that. It does sound like it actually, like, you know, it's beneficial and things happen as a result. I've heard a lot of people in the new neighborhood I live in. Uh, it's pretty great. I think it's going to be pretty good. Uh because it's Montrose up near. And so the Mantros Christmas Parade ends with Santa and a helicopter I'm not joking. Why it's over and there's a car running the parade route with a spotlight. Yeah, that is just shining up on Santa hanging out of a helicopter. That's pretty sick, you know. I mean it's a real person hanging out of a helicopter. That's pretty cool. And so that's the kind of neighborhood I don't. I don't live in that neighborhood. Yes, I mean we do this for you live next to this. Is you're watching my job, you tell me what you think I live. Uh and uh yeah, but interesting, pretty cool. So I'm gonna go to there. You're going to try to be Sanda next year, is what you're saying. Yeah, I'm gonna try to get out to get some inroads and so much. Right now, I'm like, hey, that guy's getting old. So he starts arguing against them in the city council. Yeah, and he actually does delay, Like he brings up some pretty valid points about the knowing about the pollution and so like it does delay things and it forces them to figure some stuff out with the new concrete plant before they can open it. But they do figure it all out, and then the city was like, yeah, now you can do this, and so he opens it up. He builds it, and while they were in construction, he calls Cody, calls Marv and then an opportunity to kind of like let it all through the bridge. Yeah, he calls him and he said, Hey, we're in the middle of construction right now. And he's like, now is the best time. He's like, you guys want to run a Superman through here, Like we can add that on you just cover the cost of labor. And he's like, and all actually is I knew you were on the side of the city, he says. He says, I'll actually go ahead and just throw the easement in and I'll cover that. And so like a really generous offer. Okay, Marv just hangs up on him, doesn't even respond, just hangs up on him. And so that was a that was a really generous offer. Honestly, Yeah, just hangs up on it. All you do is take that Cody sucks thing down. Yeah. All you gotta do is like I I'm not gonna lie. It's blinding me. Every time I drive by. It kind of sucks. Yeah. I gave I actually my son, I he he has my car now. I gave it to him. He just turned sixteen. Yeah, and now every time he drives by, Honestly, it's on his route to school, just sees Cody sucks and you actually changed it and it says your dad sucks. That's so it's pretty Rude's very rude. And the D doesn't light up anymore? Is it your dad or your ad? Your ad sucks? Your ad sucks? And he's just like weird marketing over here. By that, I was thinking of Cody the D and the Cody didn't light up anymore. Just a coy sucksy sucks your dad. You're a sucks. Uh You're like what what You're a sucks sucks? So Cody. So this whole thing, his relationship with Cody's getting more and more strained. His relation the city council is getting more and more strained. Item two atom three. There is a local paper. And when he opened up his muffler shop, the local paper the photographer swung by the the muffler shop and was like, hey, uh, what do you say about like doing a free ad in the paper, like just to be like, hey, we got a new a new business in town. If you guys need any muffler repairs, this is your guy. And he's like that sounds great, like let's do ran it. And then he was like, he's like, all right, I'll come back next week, we can take some photos, we can do an interview, and we'll get you in there. Was like cool. So the guy comes back, nobody's at the muffler shop. So then he's like, I come buy tomorrow, because by tomorrow no one's there. Tries again next week, ches again the next week, and then eventually just gives up Marv from his perfective The guy said hey, I'll put you in this thing, and then never came back. But really, Marv just was never working because there wasn't a lot of work to do at this muffler shop. Of the town of two thousand people, there wasn't a lot of people who needed muffler repairs, so he wasn't around all the time. Yeah, so allegedly he worked two to three days a week. The rest of his time he was snowmobiling, or he's a man after your own heart. He was in his hot tub. So Marv is really mad at the city council, at the city paper, and at Cody do Chef and a bunch of other people in town now too. He just feels like everybody's out to get him, and it's it's boiling, and it's boiling, and it's boiling, and you can probably try to convince yourself that they all conspired together. Yes, and it seems like it because they are all friends. Like it's it's a small town. Everybody knows each other, everybody has grown up together. He's the outsider. He came in from Bolder and bought this property, and so nobody, like nobody there knows him. He knows he knows everybody, and that's sure. Yeah, he just feels he feels on the outs and he spends a lot of time alone in a hot tub thinking, but you know what that does any good? Places. So he he has this idea and he says, I'm gonna intimidate Cody. Cody's got his Cody's got his little concrete plant plant right next door. So he says, I'm gonna intimidate Uh, sure, Cody next door neighbors. And so he goes to California. He goes to California and at an auction he buys this uh and he ships it home and parks it in the driveway. It's a yeah, it's a bulldozer, and it's not like this is not like a typical like front loader. This is a beef boy bulldozer. Beef boy, this is a beef boy bulldozer. Okay, parks it out on the driveway. It's going to be this guy means business is not the bulldozer. Yeah, So he sets it out there a couple of days later, puts a sign on it that says for sale, and it's it's like that for a year, and everyone's like, why did he buy that? Everyone in town's driving buy and they're like why does he have that? Like he's it's a muffler shop. What does he need a bulldozer that big for? And so everyone's very confused about what's going on here. But it's for a year. Yeah, it's sat there for a year, says for sale, right okay. And so a year later, uh, well, I should say after this sits there for a year, he moves it into the building and it's like it is literally like inches of clearance fitting through the garage doors. So he gets up through the garage doors and everyone's like, well, that bulldozer's gone and that bulder and now a whole nother year passes of it being parked inside. This is to intimidate Cody's really getting them. Well, it started out. It started out with it out there intimidating him, and then he moves they're intimidating him. Yeah, he's like intimidating him, shivering in his snowmobile boots. And so he decides, he says, he says, I need to cut my losses, and so he sells the property, sells it for four hundred thousand dollars, which is a huge profit. Yeah, you really cut his losses there. Sells it for four hundred thousand dollars. The next day. The new owner puts in a sewer line and an easement and he but he requests He says, hey, can I for the next year lease out just that unit that I have a bulldozer that I'm using that delivery you get in there something. He's like, I'm working on a project. He's like, could I just keep that least that from you? And they're like this, that's fine. It's like fully, I mean so, so to get into his bulldozer, he's got to like, you've been a really tight parking spot and try to open your car door. You got to be like, it's the unit. The unit isn't that small? The door is that small? The unit is not that small? Cody, better watch out you better? Is he intimidated? Hey? Tell me? Look at him? Is he intimidated? Can you see him? Does he look intimidated? Right now? Does he look? Does he look? I'll scare you right now, Cody, Cody, you gonna knock the bookshelf over. I'm coming for you. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this one, We've got a lot of great past episodes that you can check out. One of my recent favorites is Frank Abagneil Junior. It's the dude from the movie Cast Me if you can, and it's the story about how he scammed everybody into a really big scam. There's one scam that's like the scammiest of scams I've ever heard someone scam. So check that one. Uh, it's it's a fun one. I like it a lot. But thanks for being here. No, the unit is not the unit is not small. The unit the door. The unit is small, but the unit has got a lot of space. Okay. And he actually so he started working on this project in there with the bulldozer, but he didn't want anyone to know about it. And so when they got it inspected after they first moved in, was putting like blades and stuff on your well. He put a big old, a big old tarp over the bulldozer to cover it up, and the inspector came in and like what he got there. It's just a project project and they didn't asked to look under it or anything like that building a giant battle bot. So he uh, for the next year, spends a year, and he's a welder, and so he's is he making a giant battle bot. He's reinforcing this bulldozer into this. And what he did is he made it bulletproof. Yeah, so he put he just made a homemade tank. Yeah yeah. So what he did is he he reinforced the entire thing, welded on steel around the entire like body cab of this of this bulldozer, and then he actually took concrete and there's three inches of concrete between that and another layer of steel, and he welded it all together. And he also, uh, there are on every direction there are these little portholes, and the portholes have two inch bulletproof glass on it, and behind their cameras and all those cameras feed into a control room he's got inside with screens. How do you get inside? There is a hatch, but I'll tell you the hatch is difficult to find. And inside he's got a control panel with a bunch of screens. I'll show you these screens. Actually, this is a better view. I'm gonna download these real quick. So he can see everything outside through those cameras. But the cameras have the bulletproof glass. He also installed air compressors with hoses that go out to the portholes, so if they get dirty, he can shoot air over him and clean them off with those air compressors. And so this is inside, so he's got this is two thousand and four. So those were cutting edge TV screens, a bunch of TVs in there, so you can control it from inside. Who's this guy? I don't know who that is. I want to say it's a local police officer or something like that. I'm not sure. He also has on all four directions openings where he's got guns mounted and the gun goes through, but there's no like air or anything like that, so it's not possible to be shot through. But he can have the gun sticking out and move it around outside, so it's completely sealed. But the guy sticks out there's air that can get in though, well he's got he's got it. Like so the gun goes through, yeah, but he can steal well. Yeah, so he installed in an air conditioning unit and it's got, it goes through. He's got this whole piping system so that way, like you can't shoot through the air conditioning unit or anything like that because it's not it's not a one way route, so it like moves through, moves around, so it's not possible. For So he spent the year making a thing that he, in his mind, can just level the town. Is that his plan? So on June fourth, two thousand and four, at two o'clock in the afternoon, broad daylight, THEPM, the tank busts through the walls of the shop because now it's not fitting through the door. Oh yeah, not too big, because I'm gonna get it out there though. So it just busts through the wall of the shop, goes across the street to Cody's concrete batch plant and just starts ramming the whole building and like nailing it, like lifting the bulldozer up and down and like destroying A video of this or anything. Oh, there's lots of video of it. Oh, I'd love to see some. I've got photos. I can show you video maybe in the after the fiddle. Okay, that we've already great, but they he's he's ramming in hurt lifting. Excuse me, I have pain in my cheeks for the beat twelve all that excess. My chick's gotta hurt too, now that you mentioned it opened my mouth kind of sore. It's all the laughter, I'm sure so. And he's he's wrecking this this building. Meanwhile, everybody who works there is like, what is happening right now? And so Cody, it's pretty clear what's happening right now. There's a there's a reinforced concrete bulldozer hitting your building. I don't know how that could be more clear. Cody has a handgun, and Cody just starts shooting at this thing with no effect. Nothing's happening, obviously, this is very re enforced. And so uh, he goes and he gets his bulldozer, which is a significantly smaller bulldozer. It is. It's a normal size word battle this thing right now. Uh, and the song comes down one of those little caterpillar things, and so he goes and he rams uh uh the tank with the bulldozer, and it is so much heavier, Like he tries to lift it with his bulldozer, it actually lifts him his tank, and so he the lift gets caught and starts lifting him backwards, and so he backs up and tries to ram it again and no effect. He's just freaking wrecking his concrete shop right in front of him while he's trying to stop him with the bulldozer. And then uh, his employees they start trying to take metal rods and shove it in the treads to like stop it, break it, and it's just bending and snapping these metal rods. Like this is like a this is a beefcake bulldozer, you know, like it is not There is no backyard bulldozer. This is a serious bulldozer. And uh, the police show up and the police are like, I don't know what I don't know what we should do with this. So the police start shooting at it, but it's not having any effect, and he is just like ignoring all the cops and he's just nailing this building over and over again, backing up and lifting his bulldozer armed and crushing the head leiding. Yeah, after forty five minutes of him just repeatedly ramming this building, he turns around and now there's a lot of cops here just unloading on Well, he turns around and he just runs like full speed towards this barrier. A bunch of cops are hiding behind and they all have to like dive out of the way, and he just destroys this barrier right theft Auto five stars and so he then leaves, uh, leaves the concrete shop, and he goes on this long rampage around town, going to all the people wrong him. The newspaper guy's house. Yeah, so he goes to from here, he goes to the newspaper like the actual office levels the office, goes to town hall levels town hall, going to all the different people's homes of the people who were like in the town council. Goes to the town grocery store, which is owned by the people like one of the guys in the town council, and is literally just going from place to place to place, leveling different spots all around town. And so these are there's a map of everywhere he went. So there's the news station, there is Gambles, which is the local grocery store, the town hall, and the library was one of them. Uh. And then the concrete batch plant was just copycas graphics and printing. Yeah. So anyone who leveled the bank, yeah, anyone who's wronged him in any way. He's going and he's leveling their uh, their building. So pretty quickly the police start getting getting wind of what's going on here. They're like, oh, this is that guy, and they're like, we know everyone he hates, and so they start calling all these places and they're like, you guys need to leave, like you needed like anybody. So he's not hurting anybody. There's debate on whether he wants to hurt anyone or not because when he like shot at Cody, he shot in the bucket of uh of of his bulldozer, and so they're like, did he miss or was he trying to like warn him and be like back off, I'm doing this, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, And so it's are you intimidated now, ad Now He's like, yeah, I am intimidated. Could you please stop? Please stop? Uh? And so he goes from uh uh from building the building, the building, and it's just he everywhere he's going. He's getting debris covered in this thing, and that's why he put those air compressors so it could blow all the bricks in the dust away from his camera views so he can go on his rampage. At one point in the rampage at cop was like, I'm gonna get up there, and ran up and climbed up on top of it and started trying to find the access door, because if I the access door and ends up starting just shooting inside his air conditioning unit. But he had designed the air conditioning unit so that they wouldn't do anything. So then they toss him flash banks. They starts dropping flash bangs down in the air conditioning unit, no effect, and so nothing is working. They are literally at by one point, it is literally a convoy of swat team and cops that are just walking along with this thing, shooting at it, jumping on it, throwing stuff in it, trying to say it's huge, Yeah, it's gigantic. This is not like a little bulldozer. This is this is fifteen feet tall. This is a massive, massive bulldozer and it's just wrecking the town, creating absolute havoc. At one point they go and they get. They call them scrapers. There's a really long for like when they're putting down roads and they're the really long tractors that have that kind of like diagonal scraper in the middle, and they're like, oh, we can stop it with that, and he just pushes it right out of the way and just keeps going, no problem whatsoever. He goes down to this Excel Energy plan and that is a power station that also has a bunch of pro paine tanks, and he parks there and for ten minutes he's trying to shoot the propane tanks, but his design of his tank, he couldn't get the right anglessing. What's significant is that was the one part of this whole event that could have actually been really tragic because the blast ratings. These aren't like home propane tanks. Yeah, these are massive propaine tanks, and they think that that would have leveled like entire blocks of the town if he actually got a shot off, because he was firing in Cyndi area rounds into him, so it would have been a major disaster. But he never got the shot off. Eventually he ditched that, gave up on that and went to Gambles which is where he ended the whole ordeal. At this point, allegedly, and there's some debate whether this is true or not, Allegedly, the National Guard was scrambling and they were sending Apache helicopters to shoot him, shoot him, like with rockets, because they're like, this is a tank. We need to deal with it. Like it's a tank. The police aren't going to be able to stop this thing, right, and so h somehow he started linking coolant and so it is leaking coolant, smoking really bad. He's going to Gambles. He nails Gambles, which is a grocery store, and I guess what he didn't know, what most of the locals didn't know is Gambles had a basement, and so he nails Gambles and it slips into the basement and he obviously gets stuck. He can't get out, and so he's stuck in there, and so the police now create like this perimeter and there. Now he's got to he has to come out. Yeah. Yeah, Well they're like, like, what's he going to do next? Like did he rig it with explosives for a situation like this, Like, what's what's the next step? And he ends up taking his own life, and they hear the shot, and then they spend two days trying to get into it. They finally get into it early in the morning two days later. Where was the hatch? Well there what? Once they got inside, they found that there was a hatch, but it was not like noticeable from the outside. They'd never found it from the outside. What they ended up actually doing is they burnt a hole in the side of it with a yeah, and that's how they got in, and that's how he got the pictures of the inside. And after the whole ordeal, they went through and they like obviously searched his home and they found two hours worth of tapes of him chronicling this whole year long thing of him building this tank and why he was doing it, and who he was targeting and why he was targeting them. So he was doing to get ready with me as I build a war machine. Pretty much get ready with me is I build a war machine to take on my neighbors, and so he to intimidate my name. Well, it's it's pretty sad because if you listen to it, it's very clearly someone who had too much time on his hands and didn't have a lot of friends to talk through this with or did just chose not to talk through it with his friends and like drove himself insane. Yeah, because they forget I'm sure they get progressively crazier. Yeah. Yeah, And by the end he's literally saying, I've been trying to get caught, but I'm not getting caught, and so that must mean that this is a sign from God that this is what I'm supposed to do. Yeah, I'm supposed he just gets progressively. Yeah, He's like, I'm supposed to teach these people less and that they can't behave like this, that they can't treat people like this. They've backed me into a corner. What am I supposed to do now? And he's like, I'm confident that the reason why God never allowed me to be married and never allowed me to start a family was so that way I could fulfill my purpose. And this is my purpose. And yeah, and so he did this. Nobody was injured in the whole event except for him, but a lot of property damage, A lot of property damage. Yeah, it was the total damage. I don't know what the let's see if I can check on that. But he Uh, when I was single and couldn't find anybody to date me. I also thought, I was like, maybe God's got another purpose for me, and I'm supposed to bull doze this time? Does this whole it's Mountain Town God Reagan came home, you know. Uh so uh he the town. They obviously seized the thing, and they said, we don't want anyone to like take souvenirs or anything of it, so they disassembled it and dispersed it to a bunch of different scrap yards, which was interesting to me. I don't know, I mean, I I kind of I guess I see the motivation, but at the same time, like it's a cool bulldozer. You're the reason save the bulldozer. Exactly why they did cool bulldozer. So the damage of the whole thing was estimated to be around seven million, Yeah, two million of which was that concrete plant which was under insured, so they only got a payout of seven hundred thousand. Oh so they just kind of stomached one point three million and loss off that. So it was a major, major event. It was televised all over at least uh the state of Colorado and definitely the nation. Uh. And he got his just I guess kind of. That's the kill dozer. They nicknamed it the kill dozer even though nobody was killed by it, but it it does. It was pretty killer. I mean, this is it. I mean it's a big dozer. I mean, and you never know when someone's just going to do that, you know, Yeah, I mean he was. He was for a year. They're just working on it, like that is a determination, Like it's one thing they'll be like, oh man, I want to punch. Is there anything you spent a year on, like in general, or like anything crazy, I know, just anything you've like you're like, I've worked on this for like a year. I mean yeah, like my career, this podcast stupid I'm talking about like you know, I mean, I've put so many years into Rundscape and like some model train sets. Oh, I guess I have done that with city skylines. I've built radio. Yeah yeah, I don't know what else. Oh there is that bulldozer that wow. Yeah, it's like armored, reinforced, got some gun holes in it. Its excess something, excess energy, the best energy, drink killer and taste, the good thing, the best thing about it. You can only get it from that one door dasher you know what Jesus says, I am way. I didn't know a way it was a Christian company, it is. Yeah, amway, give them ten percent of your income. Oh yikes. Anyways, so yeah, that's the story of u pe Meyer the kill Dozer. Sorry, we talked for seventeen minutes before we got to the good story. That's it was pretty good. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, you can subscribe or watch some more episodes or some clips. But then I need to make this like twenty seconds. My producer said it has to be longer, so I'm just gonna keep talking for a little bit and is this long enough? Connor Okay? Cool? Yeah, thanks for being here.)

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DD Palmer – The Con Man That Founded Chiropractic

12-26-23

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey man, what's up? Oh what happened? We got wrong? Oh gosh, they took the walls. They took the walls. They replaced him with worldly gray. It's called worldly gray. Yeah, these walls are so great. It's worldly it is. You're stuck on that walls. No, it's just the colors are currently using. We walked in this room and Jared was like, this, this is worldly gray, and I hated him. I hated them for being able to see this gray. No, no, it's just because we just moved out of my apartment. No, you did it. Okay, we're moving out of my apartment tomorrow. Sure. No, No, it's it's December twenty sixth Oh. We moved out our apartment long time ago. Sorry my bad. But we had to repaint the walls because we had our old studio in there with the blue walls and all that stuff. And so we repainted. And it's worldly gray. And this is the color that all the apartments are currently using. Yeah. I don't know why, because it's worldly. They're secular apartments, that's right, because landlords are full of sin. Anyway, the only lord in my life, the only lord that I lord of my heart, my heart lord. As for me in my house, we will serve our landlord. I pay rent to God. Oh, I tied every month. I like, I like nine to my landlord. What did you say? Nine? Okay, it's my income, is it? Yeah? I mean that's what it is. That's what No give it. Like a couple more months, I'll be homeless. Won't take long at all. I grew up next to a dog food I'm not joking. My town smelled like dog food. There was no factory. I know. I didn't know why. I mean, Pepsy's never gonna sponsor us. But if they thought about it, and he made a lot of fun on the ship. Things I learned last night. All right, anyways, have you heard of D. D. Palmer? D D. Palmer? Yeah? Oh, do you know what I'm thinking? Actually, no, here's what's interesting. Here's what's interesting about Okay about that? What? Okay? D D. Palmer is our topic for today. But D D had a son BJ, and then it's not far off to say b J I might have had a daughter Kiki. Okay, so this could be the same lineage. Alright, I don't know, most likely not I would be surprised. But all I'm saying, is the abbreviations. I do not know this man. Yeah, DeeDee Palmer, I apologize to this man, and I do not know Daniel David Is his name, Daniel David Palmer went by DDE. He was born in eighteen, which is what you call the grandma who doesn't want to be called grandma? You know what I'm saying. Where she's like, you know, because a lot because he's what happens. A lot of these teen moms don't realize that they're going to be a grandmother when they're forty seven years old, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And then they're like, I'll stop crying like that. Oh, shut I say that in public. Were in the apple Bee's right now, you can't say that out loud. And they're like, grandma, and they go, how about they're still flirting with the waiters? Yeah, I guess is that something your grandma did when you were growing up? She took you to apple Bees and that she still flirts with the okay to be there. My grandma is single. Why are you saying grandma? Is that what you're called grandma? Grandma? Grandma? What do you say? I say, Grandma, grandma, grandma grandma. Yeah, I don't say that. In the ND you say grandma grandma, like Shama Maryma, grandma grandma. Yeah, I'm gonna call grandma grandma. Speaking of Shama, we have a show on February second, Berlin and Maryland. Just trying to I just gotta plug toward dates. As what my managers said. The manager said, every time you record a podcast, you have to plug these dates. Yeah, but your short your shows aren't public, are they? That one is? I'm talking a show on February twenty third, allegedly. Have I got anything to do with it? Uh? So? D D. Paud is straight up like what, Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah? Have you have you in brediscussed what you want your grandkids to call you? No, we're so far from that. Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you guys. You guys are not even close to youchildren yet. Yeah. No, yeah, yeah, I'm saying, but like I've thought about it, what do you want your grandchildren to you? Have I told you this? What do you want your children to call you? You're skipping a generation. No, I want to be dad for sure. Mom. Yeah, okay, that's normal. But when my grandkids are around Papa. No, I'm going to go by grandma, and Reagan's gonna go by Grandpa. I think that's freaking funny if I'm grandma. But you started young enough to where it's that's what I'm saying. They don't know. You know what I'm saying. I want to go my grandma and Sugar my grandpa. They're at their friend's house. Yeah, Grandma, gran baby. Yes, you see what I'm saying. It's setting my kids up to get bullied. I'm setting my grandkids up to get bullied, and then their grandma is so offended, offended because at that time, it's like twenty fifty, the walk mob has infiltrated the olds, you know, and so I'm going to get my grandkids handsel for mis gendering their friends grandparents. That is insane. That is crazy person behavior. Yeah. No, this guy is Axley Pod called me grandpa. That's gonna be their names in the future of something. Paxley Pod, I don't know, something stupid, so like called me grandpa. Oh my gosh, h No, we're did we even acknowledge that we're in a new studio? Yeah, you went, oh, we got it robbed or whatever. But did we say what's happening. We're still working on it it Yeah, well yeah, it's a we talked about world of Gray. It is a it's a new room that we're in. Yeah, and uh, eventually it'll look better, which is what I've told everyone about my body for ten years. Better. Yeah, that's what I tell my financial planner to. My business managers were like, hey, you lied to us when we started this relationship. And I was like, yeah, but you said a contract, So like we're yeah, but we're in No. Eventually this will we'll decorate this and make it look We'll put like a you know, poster up or something. Yeah. Yeah, but we could only do that if you support us a Patreon that Actually I was gonna say, like this is this whole thing that this whole move and the last move you know, we've we started in my apartment dining room, We moved to a bedroom, apart, started in a space. Oh I mean like as far as like video. Sorry, we started in a recording studio. Then we moved to my apartment dining room, got video, got Alex moved into the bedroom of one of my That was a big move. Yeah, and then we got an actual part, like an actual studio, and then now we are in a different studio and all those jumps have only been like possible because of our Patreon supporters. So thank you, Flick sincerely. What's wild is we've had some feedback about Jared's move. Jarren lives in Los Angeles and a lot of people were concerned about this show. Yeah, what's going to happen with his liberal slant? Now? Okay, like because now because Tim's gonna be talking about his gas stoves and Jared's gonna come out here talking about electric vehicles the whole time, and it's like, oh, shoot, is this going to devolve? And it's got guys, don't worry, all right. All I'm saying is trying to take my stuff. Give it like a couple more months, I'll be homeless. Won't take long at all, long at all in California. No, But it's pretty wild, and it really is thanks to our patrons that were able to continue doing the show. Yeah while you live in a whole different state. I mean, we need more patrons because I don't want to fly spirit anymore, like I want to fly like a good airline. Yeah. But make Frontier at least, you know, every every Spirit flight increases the likelihood of Jared not making it back for a shoot, So support us on Patriots could live. Yeah, anyways, this episode is brought to you by Spirit, and then when you see Jared in first class on Delta, you'll be like, I did that with my Patreon dollars tie, you know, and I'm like, I hate the freaking That's It's like when rich people do the whole like donate to this cause, and it's like, hey, man, we see your house, why don't you donate to the cause. Yeah. It's the good thing though, is you don't own a home yet, so we've got some time. I do worry about this sometimes. Is that because I have I don't have like a massive online following, I have a I have a decent sized one, right, Yeah, And people think that that means I may right, and I need to be very clear that that is not the case. It's not. Yeah, if you look at the which I feel like, you know, I feel like you know when you're look at me, No, buddy, you don't. We know you're not rich, I know, but I feel like sometimes some of you are assuming I'm you know, I'm still in my twenty seventeen Honda Civic, you know, and I'm in my two thousand and three Honda Civic. Yeah. No, no, no, I'm better than I'm doing better than Tim. I'll be clear about that. Well, let's be clear. I own a home as a home owner. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, Uh so DeeDee Palmer, DeeDee Palmer was a guy who was born in Canada in eighteen forty five, lived there with his parents, Thomas and Catherine for a little bit, and then they moved to what years he born eighteen forty five? And you think he could possibly be Kiki Palmer's grandfather. Yeah, at the timeline. Here's the thing, you don't know who Palmer is. If if d D Palmer we did to have children until he was like eighty Okay, I see what saying. And then then BJ waiting BJ waited. Yeah. So then they moved. They moved to uh, Davenport, Iowa. Okay, is that on the border. That's a place that exists, Davenport, Iowa. Is that on the border in the middle? Is in the middle, which one is on the border. There's a town on the border, Sioux Falls. Maybe that one it's on the border with Illinois, Illinois side. No, you're talking about I don't know Iowa very well, Davenport, Davenport, it's ill I don't know, dude. If only we had a way to find out. I've got his uh whatever you call this, his Wikipedia page up in front of me, but I don't see it. Yeah, Davenport is on the other side over there. Yeah, it's on the Okay, I was right, you mean, okay, so he moved. I don't know stuff, dude. He moved to Davenport, Iowa, and finished out his childhood there. I was confusing. I went Davenport and Cedar rapids, Cedar rapid rapids in the middle. Here's a fun fact about Cedar Rapids Iowa is that they have uh, the Captain Crunch factory there. It's like a Quaker factory. And so the whole town smells like strawberries. It's like legitimately strawberry like legitimately, it's magical, interesting, like it smells like the wild berries from Captain Crunch over That's nice. I grew up next to a dog food I'm not joking. My town smelled like dog food. That was there was no factory I didn't know. I didn't know why. Yeah, I mean because I was out there dumping dog food in the river all day. It was very expensive, hobby. Why are you doing that? I don't know, man, I'm just throwing bikes in the river. Dude. Okay, it's not whitest kids, you know, Dude, No whitest kids I know is me right now. I didn't know we were going to film. I didn't know you'd be able to see my legs. Look at those in this new studios. Look, it's November. Sorry, it's December. So he grows up, and then he works at a grocery store, does a couple of their odd jobs here and there, and then he gets into magnetic healing. Have you hover? Cool? Here's another great thing about this new studio. In the closet, we can't even see him anymore. He shut the door. He's in a completely different room. This is awful. Oh man. People have been comedy better episodes ever, a little more off the rails lately. And I don't care. I don't get it or better that way ever since I'm rich now, I don't care. I don't care about your poor time. Okay, Okay, is a Dede Bomber. He gets in a magnetic healing. Have you seen this? It's a toy. Okay, So anyway he grows up Damnport, Iowa, And okay, this studio is pretty good. He gets in a magnetic healing. Okay, have you seen this? No, you know you haven't seen this. It was a big thing in the eighteen hundreds, like mid eighteen magnets, wohild just heal you of all. Just kind of rub some magnets over your joints and stuff. And I've seen the thing where you hold to like, yeah, that comes from it communicate with ghosts or whatever. I don't think it's ghosts. I think it is. Yeah, you're supposed to ab to communicate with the people in the afterlife. Well, it's like it is. There are some remnants of this. There are those those risk things that you wear that's supposed to be arthritis, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, and they get magnets on both sides. So we actually have one of those for Reagan's carcingness. Yeah. There, it works great. There are I mean interesting thing works great. It's an interesting thing because there are certain things in it that tim It works great. It works great. Go to tillan dot com slash magnetic bracelet thing is, here's the thing that here's the thing that works about that. That company is there bracelets and their depositing money into my account. Both those things work perfect. So great. Uh No, so there's some there's some conflict if it's real science or not. Like chiropractors. Yeah, so they do h they do. There's the magnets that go under risk what we still have. And then there's kind of like honestly kind of similar to what Supplement Superstore has, like things that you can hold that like senden magnetic waves through you. They don't do that. What do you think is doing? Dude? Blue springs as too, they have magnetic waves through you. Yeah, he said, here, put this, put this piece of metal on your back. You're joking, right, and then I'm gonna hold this other magnet up to your chest and that's how much. That's how I'll know how much you weigh. You're joking. No, I'm serious? Are you serious? They do not do that at yours. They put something on your shoulder back, you take your feet off, you stand on the thing, and then yeah, you hold the field. Yeah, yeah, is that the new magnets through your body. I don't know. I asked him one time. I was like, what does this do? And he's like, I don't know. They have no idea. Yeah. I don't ask him too any questions. They just sell your supplements. Yeah, I mean huge. Now though it worked, They're like, it will be seventy dollars. I trust them. No. So so that like is the magnetic thing. But early it was literally just magnets that you would hold and then they would just kind of like wave magnets around you. And they were supposed to help with blood circulation, which in theory, like there's iron in your blood, so like, in theory you can magnetize the iron and circulate a little bit better, but it's been proven that that's not how that works. And then a bunch of other random stuff, like you it was kind of a panacea type thing. I was like, oh, you feel you've got headaches, let me rub some magnets on your forehead and you'll feel better. And so he did that type of stuff, and it pretty quickly became something where even back then people were like, this seems bogus, and also, this doesn't work. I think it was more of this doesn't work, Like it wasn't like that looks weird and seems bogus. It was like, this isn't working. And yeah, the people who were doing it were kind of like scammy people, and so people pretty quickly were like, oh, this is snake oil, because snake oil was also happening at the time, and so they picked up on it pretty quickly. Yeah, till a Dot cops snake I mean, honestly, do you think we just try to sell it. We could sell some essential oils and call it snake oil. We just make them. It's just vegetable oil that we might be on something, and it's kind of like, you know what you're buying, you know, you know it's a joke. Yeah, and if we charged seventy five dollars for it. That's the thing with gag gifts. It's like people buy that stuff knowing it's fake, but people buy it. I mean, if you would buy it, leave us a con and then we'll put it on the store. That way, Jared can stop finding Spirit Airlines. How did you get here in first class? Mister Myers Diamond Medallion member. Uh, I'm going to tell you something. I'm joking but I'm a snake oil salesman, real snake. I'm a mean like, but we moved. You're taking a bunch of people know they know well, they know it's snake. They know it's a joke. They think it's they do it for the bit. They're people have made me rich for the joke is that my life is a long cons They know it's not fraudulent because i'm They're like, you have to account for your billions of dollars and I'm like, it's it's a joke. Everybody knows it's a joke. People can't take a freaking joke these days. Joe, he committed tax fraud. It was a Joe. If I tell you, it's a bit from the beginning law. I sent the I R S some jumbled up headphones and I said, you untangle them, you fraudulent corpse of a person, and uh. And then they said this is this is illegal. You have to pay your taxes on your snake oil stuff. Anyway, So d D sets up a whole practice doing this, the whole medical practice and taving ports magnetic killing people and it's going decently well. Did he create chiropractic care, No, he didn't create anything. He created magnetism. Okay, Well he didn't even create magism. He practiced magnetism. Okay, so he's doing magnetism on people and he's got his little practice. His janitor had a janitor who was deaf from birth or not from birth, from an accident. He was in an accident and deafened him. Is that the way you say that? Okay, he's in an accident and he lost his hearing as a result of the accident. Deafened. I think that's what you say if you're if you're listening to this and you're deaf, could you let us know you did? Not like that? Joe I immediately winced. Yeah, I think it's deafened. Yeah, definite. Anyway, it's definitely definite. All right. Uh So his his, uh, his janitor was deaf. I believe his name is Leland. I believe, And don't call me on that, but I believe we'll call him Leland for now. Leland uh was deaf and uh. They had developed a pretty good relationship, like he worked for for years, and one day they were just kind of talking about it and he's like, well, do you mind if I just kind of take a look at you, and he was like, what do you mean talk? You might take a look at you now. He's like, he's like, sure, you're the doctor, like you whatever? Fine and so, but he couldn't say to me, had to write it on a board. Do you mind if I take a look at you? He probably relives. He goes, you are right now? Do you mind look at you? He hasn't opened you have to respond, I can't I can't see respond dumb, So he says yes. The doctor opens his eyes for the first time in the relationship. Oh, I pictured he was blonde. I thought you were way different. And when you said grandpa, I thought, that's on me though, just sorry, do you really a greem? I assumed. I'm sorry, that's on me. I know it's only eighteen sixty seven, but I would like to be more progressive than that. That's on me. Sorry, that's on me. Sorry me rite that that's on me. Yeah you do. I need to close my eyes again. So he kind of looks he's doing his magnetic thing on him. Whatever, Okay, you realize he's got his big bump in his neck, and so he just gives him. He's like, he's like he's like, could I try to like pop that out? He did create chiropractic, Yeah, I just did like the cheaper field did some Sorry, I knew that chiropractors was wasn't invented in Iowa. So he he pops his neck and he could hear the okay, go ahead. Yeah, So he pops his neck and they just kind of go on their way, and then over the course of a couple days is the guy's like, oh I heard something today and he's like he's like, did you really And he's like yeah, He's like, let's try it again. He pops his neck again, and then over time, eventually he begins to be able to hear again. Ohly, the guy had in his accident, like there was some swelling in his neck or something that pinched the nerve and that was something that signal in his brain, and so whenever they popped his neck he was able to hear again. I can't believe I made fun of chiropractors earlier. We're doing this. That's funny, okay, And so when this worked, Dede was like, Oh, I'm gonna be so freaking rich. So the way that my chiropractor tells this story, yeah, I'm interested to hear this because I should say, actually, I have seen six different accounts of this story. This is the one that I've seen repeated the most, so I think this is the real one. But I have seen this story very very different. Well, the way my chiropractor tells it is it was a deaf guy who he popped his neck. It was his He even tells you which one it was. And then and he said he could hear so well he could he he told he told Dede Palmer, I guess which I didn't recognize the name of the beginning, but he says that I could hear the rickets on the carriage outside. And so every time we go to the chiropractor, we'd leave and my chiropractory, he's a nice guy and he just knows a lot, yeah, like about chiropractic. Yes, and he just like he's very I wouldn't say socially acre, he's just he's the kind of guy that he doesn't want to talk about anything, and he's not passionate about yeah. Yeah, And so you know you're like, hey, you know, what are you doing this week? Just seeing some family in New Jersey? Yeah, Okay, So I was just wondering, like, how does this work? I'm glad you asked, uh so? And then you talked to him and he's like going, and he's got all these he has like drawings and stuff, and he shows pulls out his craft. So every time we leave, he really does though. And every time we leave, I always just look at Ray and I go. I can hear the rickits on that carriage over there. Over there, there's no carriage. Yeah, I can hear it miles away. It's a far away. It's a really far away. Carriage is so far? Is there a community somewhere? That carriage is seventy miles and seventy years in the past, and I can hear it. I hear the Amish. I know they're around here. I hear some Amish. Hey, do you guys hear Abish around That's a great thing to say at next party around here? Oh, do you guys know where the Amish are? Do you guys know what I've been looking for? The Amish. I've been here for Let's get this nice started. Let's find some Hoish your next La gathering. You guess the obviously, I've been here for a couple of months now, where are your amish? Where are your abish? Like, surely you guys have some just ultraconservative people who have no technology somewhere around here, right right. You're enjoying it, and you're enjoying Tillan. You've been around for a little bit. 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Thanks Jar, all right anyway, Yeah, so he he discovers this thing and he starts practicing it to specifically restore hearing. So deaf people start traveling from around the world to see this guy's office in Davenport, Iowa. He gives him a tour and then he cracks their necks. Yeah, closed, and he's like, can I look at you? Can I look at you? He's like, oh, I just I'm sorry. I thought you were a grandpa. You're so pretty, You're so pretty. So he starts doing this and the deaf community from around the world start showing up in his office to get fixed, and it's not working. Uh and uh. So he realizes, oh, this doesn't cure hearing, but it does, like it is like good still for stuff, okay, because I mean, let's be honest, like a lot of people are short up, like we're hearing. But I like you, but I gotta be honest with you. It cures me. It's satisfied. I haven't had meaning in three decades. One day this is going to be called asm on TikTok. Yeah, one day we'll have these things called microphones and people will come from everywhere to listen to the sounds, and kids on TikTok will make fun of it. Is so he he starts doing the kids on TikTok to make fun of our podcast. That's the only way this thing's going to grow. I think you're onto something. Yeah, you should hire a bunch of them to make fun of us whatever. All right, Hey, if you're looking for a job, here's how I get to make fun of us. Ready, Okay. Everything that gen Z makes fun about millennials on TikTok is like stuff that they're like, they make fun of us for like the sleigh all day and it's coffee time. I think, isn't that gen X and millennials? Every millennial I know that does that stuff, doesn't making fun of Ironically, we're making fun of someone else, but we just do it so well that gen Z is like, oh, we're making fun of millennials and you're like, no, we no, we're better than you. We were making fun we were making fun of them. We just were funny and you're not. Yeah, you are much more make funable. This sounds like the segment that we recorded after we were like, let's get them to make fun of us, you idiots, dummies. Let's find something you can make you got played. Yeah, that'll be fifty dollars because you know they're not going to listen that back half of this. No they're not. Oh man, they'll take that. Oh yeah. Anyways, this is our podcast. So d d uh he doctor Palmer please? Uh not yet? So d D starts practicing. Yeah, you can just make up a science and then it just be like, nah, this is chiropractic and now I'm a doctor. This was an interesting time in history, yeah, because medicine was starting to really come into its own as a science. Germ theory happens during his lifetime, okay, okay, and so all of this is this is kind of magnetism, and a lot of other pseudo scientific medical treatments were all popping up this time, like the goat glands guy. This is all the same timeframe where people are figuring out all this different stuff. Snake oil was happening, and then the nation as a whole came together and eventually the American Medical Association was formed to be like, we need to come up with a standard for this because this is crazy right now. And so this is all happening at the same time, and so medicine was medicine as we know it today was in its infancy, Like there was always doctors and stuff, but medicine as we know it was was different. So at this time, it was kind of like, yeah, you could go become a doctor and like get a doctorate degree, but like you didn't people would still see you if you weren't a legal doctor. Okay, it makes sense. I'm saying you just you'd go by doc That's also true, like there was no no one was going to be able to verify that he was moving to town and be like, yeah, I'm a doctor. Yeah, it was much easier to fake those documents. Those documents makes a lot of sense now there you go. Yeah, is that why they call it doctored? I don't know if you doctored the document. No, it's because you physically altered them. You did something to that so that way you can tell her when you're a doctor. Sure, I don't know. So he so he got into uh, he started doing this, starts popping people's backs and stuff, and he starts to have it. He's like he's like, I got to come up with a reason why this matters. Basically. I don't know if he never said this, but it very much appears like he was like, he's like, I gotta get come up with a medical reason for this. Okay, So I got to come up with a reason for this. Well that's what it looks like. So when he realizes it's not going to make deaf people be able to hear, he's like, he's like, well, we'll do just about anything else. So he identifies, or, as chiropractors will say, he discovers what's known as subluxation. So subluxation is something with your spine not working right. Subluxation is you could probably discribe. Yeah, is the idea is that it is earned and not. So, like, your spinal cord has a passageway and when it's sublexated, it's when one of them is turned. And so it's almost like you have a water hose. You've pinched a little bit, and so now that passageway is thinner. Interesting, and so the theory has explained to me is that your your spinal cord is still sending signals, right, it's just dampened signals. Essentially, it's weakened. We can Yeah, that's what word we can signals interesting because my chiropractor will often pop something in my back. He goes, you're gonna poop better this week because your brain's sitting sending better signals to tests. And I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know. Here's what's interesting. Every time I go, I wear a relief Babe. This is not how they want me to promote them. My chiropractor won't let me open my eyes until every brand deal I get, I come on this podcast and I just make funo. I mean, Jack, there are some that I've looked at where I'm like, I mean, Pepsi is never gonna sponsor us, but if they thought about it and we made a lot of fun of Peensy on the show, I mean, Pepsy sucks, but Pepsi sucks more than gen Z does. I love they did try to cancel us for gen Z trying to cancel us because we don't you ever because were real, don't come at us over medieval time. Oh yeah, we almost got canceled from medieval time. Did you think we got canceled? Fort was making sure that you knew always got canceled times. Yeah, medieval time is freaking sick man. Yeah, I mean I didn't know they were on strike. It makes sense because they broke That makes way more sense that they were on strike. After the production we saw it, it was the actor like the nights were great, but like the production team clearly had never done that before, didn't even know the lights on. Yeah, all the production stuff quit. They turned the fluorescent lights on. Yeah, and then like so there's a they turned the there's part of the show at a medical times where they fill the room with fog and like cool lights and like almost like laser stuff, and there's this gray horse that does this beautiful dance and through the fog looks probably amazing. All right, Yeah, why arena silent fluorescent lights? And you can hear this arena full of people eating chicken with their hands, you didn't their hands. There's no music, and the horse is just doing its thing to no music. Way less impressive. It does make you wonder, like, how did that take off in medieval times? Like in medieval time that was as cool as that guy? Well they had live music, right, oh yeah, they would have someone with like a harp and liar. Yeah, yeah, interesting, And then the guy over here was just so yeah, last week, I thought a bear, I kid, I got this shock tune things when I jumped off the boat and fought a shock. I'm a ninja. I'm an entrepreneur. I met last week. It's like, I just don't understand the super Bowl. In the band, what's the Biggest lot? You were told the biggest Live We're told, yeah, you got caught in you know my super Bowl story? Right? No. When I was in third grade, this is I don't care the podcast. I don't care about the topic. When I was in third grade, we were talking on the Super bowling class and it came across the room went did you say you just went? Did you say he went to the super Bowl? And everyone in the room turned and looked at me, And as a third grader, I knew how the star power worked, so I went yeah, And I rode that way for like two weeks until my mom talked to the teacher and the teacher was like, hey, he told us about your trip to the super Bowl. I don't think you went to the super Bowl. That mom was like, we did not, And so my teacher made me get up in front of the class, stand in front of the class and say I lied Wow. Yeah, that's brutal. It sucked. Yeah, but it was really because of Randall saying that across the room and then like I like to just say yeah, and then he hyped it up more and then it became like I wasn't like actively lying to people a bunch, you weren't. Yeah, but then once it's snowball, it was kind of like, yeah, you know, if someone asked, I'm gonna say yes because I'm a third grader and I'm not stupid, I know how, you know. And she wasn't talking to me before she thought I didn't go to zoom. You know. Yeah, I don't know if I can tell any of my lies on this show. They're still active. Okay, Oh my gosh, all right, Oh my gosh. Okay, sure, So I don't remember how we got here. Uh yeah, we were talking about uh, we're talking about DDE Palmer. D D. Palmer essentially was just like this, this is a suble station. That's right, which should be noted. I've done. Here's what I'll say for this episode, because it's something that so many people actively do. I was like, I want to, I want to. I did a decent bit of research on both sides of this argument. I wanted to I didn't want to just look at one. I have been to the chiropractor. I do feel better after I go to the chiropractor. I don't think it's the permanent solution. I think ultimately the stretching and workouts that I've done for my muscles have made me feel a lot better than chiropractor carriers. Yeah, that's that's what medicine, most modern medicine would agree with. Okay, that statement, Uh, station a pretty anti chiropractor. Some sublixation as the concept is not real. It has not been it has not been scientifically proven. Yeah, there has not been any scientific evidence to show there's not been any scientific evidence to show that anything even resembling sublication exists at all. Okay, and there's been multiple double blind studies and multiple like double blind, Yeah, multiple multiples. And he tried to heal them with the cracks, but they couldn't see single blind and that's not you can't even tell, you know. But here's the thing. After he cracked their backs, they could see the rickets on the carriage outside. And he's like, it's twenty twenty three. I think we did something real best up. Where are your eyes at? Oh? My eyes are in the past. That's a movie ideas. Someone goes to the chiropractor. They get their neck pop and then they walk around and their eyes it's like alternate reality. They see the world years ago where they are, you know what I'm saying. So they're talking to a lamp post, but it's George Washington, you know. Interesting. Yeah, Hey, maybe we should Robert and touch my Bayard knee even stop, Maybe we should. That's what they're gonna make perfect. I'm looking for something. Everybody is looking for something. I'm like starting to reach that point in myself. No, we should ask Robert and Robert and Chase to write that screenplay for us. All right, let's see where you go with it. They're watching this. Hopefully they're doing their jobs. Robert and Chase our new editors. I don't know if we've talked about them at all show yet. Okay, we definitely haven't. The time this episode comes out, they may not be they got fired. They We haven't changed our outro, so it probably still says Connor. I think it's still okay, so outro Anyways, Robert needs a c name, Crobert okay. Chase and Crobert are our new video editors. Robert's kind of a cool name, though, I'm like, why, I kind of want to stick with that. Christian, I don't know if we've talked about this show colleagues. Christian, I've stopped calling him Christian. I start I've called Christ. It is Christ in my phone? You call him Christ? Yeah? I told him, I said, I said, does anybody ever call you Christ? For sure? And he was like, no, nobody, And I was like, I'm changing it my phone, and so I did it now Siri when he texted me, it'll say Christ said, And I'm like, he never said that. Christ said you can do all things? Yeah, but he usually just says, hey, I sent to an invoice, can you pay me already? That's pretty much all we talked about. So DEEDI no suplexation. They they've attended and X rays and MRIs. We cannot find evidence that it exists, sure, and so a lot of doctors are pretty passionate that it doesn't a lot of some some chiropractors are. The Chiropractic Association will tell you or recently has started to try to distance itself from supplexation because it doesn't exist anyways. That's interesting. So imagine being a chiropractor for like thirty years though, and then have to be like to walk that back. Yeah, a lot aren't. So I'm gonna to walk that back. Like half my patients can't after I paralyze them from bad practices. So he says, Okay, the subli station thing kind of like you said, it's got that signals, you're you're weakening the signals. So anything in your body that's wrong with your body, if we fix this, like, we can fix that. And so that's what he brands it out. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Some chiropractors definitely fall into that, like you don't need chemo, you need chiropractic, and you're like, ah, it becomes a panacea. Yes, And that's where it becomes really questionable. And that's kind of where he started as was any like because my hip, like I felt like I wasn't able to like I couldn't drive long distance about my hip being weird, which I will say that is one of the one of the few things that I've seen where uh, medical doctors will say that's a that's a decent reason if your lower extremities have issues, then you probably do have some spinal issues and so going to get adjusted, and that could would be one of the first things that they would recommend because they don't want you to do surgery if you don't need it, right's say, go for physical therapy, try chiropractor, try all these other other things. If you have issues in your lower extremities, then that could be an actual spinal issue, then an adjustment could help there. Okay, anyways, but what d D branded it as was whatever's wrong with you because it's that spinal core, right, if we adjust it, we can fix anything. And so yeah, that's that's what I'm saying, is like, Oh, I'm gonna poop better now, or I'm gonna yeah, Oh, you're gonna breathe more clear this week, you're gonna yeah, you're gonna be able to you're gonna sleep better this week. You come in and he's like, hey, so how is those poops this week? Does the effort that he made me keep it a journal? So he starts practicing with the sublaxation thing, okay, and he says, whatever's wrong with you, come, I'll pop your back and you won't have whatever problem you have now right, And a lot of people like are like, oh, yeah, it does help me, and some people are like that doesn't help at all. And this guy has pictures of this guy all over the office. Yeah he's cool, I'm saying, like, now that I've remembered his name, Yeah, he has pictures all over his office, like Fire in the Hole has pictures of bald knobbers all over there. Ride you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, yeah, hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this and you want more of our show, We've got plenty of other episode. It's one of my favorites. Is Action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers and they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey. It was a wild story, but we did a whole episode about it, and I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. Okay. Anyway, So he starts having people come and and there's like mixed reviews, but a lot of people really like it and are showing up, and some other people are like wanting to learn to do and at this time is he's doing their next and stuff. Yeah, he's doing everything. He's popping them. Okay, sure, okay, I don't have my charapractor will Sometimes I say I learned a new move, and I go, no, thank you, I'm not joking. I learned him move. You tried and true. Man. There is now mixed reviews, but there's a growing population of people who are wanting to practice it. And they're the they're wanting to be ki wanted to be chiropractical, like this guy's making too much money. Yeah, they're like, hey, it's working. And the American Medical Association is getting wind of what's going on, and they seem to be asking questions. Okay, And so he realizes and this is I should say, we fast forwarded years, like I was going to say, in decades like he is now he's established a college in Davenport, his son is growing up, and his son has actually began to practice, and like a lot of time has passed, like he's been practicing for years. More and more chiropractors are being trained, and now the American Medical Association is knocking on the door. This is early nineteen hundreds now, and they're asking a lot of questions that he is concerned about because it very much seems like they are trying to shut them down because they don't think it's legit. And so he says, he says, Okay, if we try to operate as an actual medical establishment, we have to go through the American Medical Association and get certified for all this stuff and do everything that they want us to do. He said, But because we're in America and we have certain freedoms, we can I can do whatever I want. Well, he says, He says, if we're a religion, then they can't infringe upon our religious chiropractic, our religious practices. And so he writes a bunch of books on the philosophy of chiropractic and he establish establishes it as a religion. And this is a quote from his So there's a book, I believe it's called The Chiropractors Adjuster, which is his religious guide on chiropractic. And here's what he says about chiropractic in that book. He says, we must have a religious head, one who is the founder, as did Christ, Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and many others who have founded religions. I am the fountainhead. I am the founder of chiropractor in it as its science and as art, in it as philosophy, and in its religious phase. He went on to say, I am the only one who can do that. And he goes on later to say that the text that he writes about chiropractic, he was inspired by God to write, and he says that he claims that, he claims that there was another doctor who had been gone for like dead for years, who comes to him in visions and tells him what to say. That's what I'm saying. He talks to the dead. He's got a Ouiji board and he's like, we should help our new studio wall that says I am the one. D. D. Palmer thirty eight to two or something. I am the only one. And so he establishes that as a religion to protect it from the American Medical Association. Okay, and it really does become a cult, which is interesting because it's very similar to how people in counterpactic behave now little cult tea and so he sets it up as a church to protect it. But his son Bja did not like this decision. He wanted it to be a business. He didn't want it to be medical he didn't want it to be religious. He wanted it to be a business. And so they started to kind of have this feud that went on for years. Okay, well the American Medical Association, if it's a religion, they don't pay taxes either. Okay, sorry to jump ahead your story. Yeah, So they start feuding and they end up getting to a spot where BJ's running the college, his dad's running a like their practice, their family practice, and his dad's kind of running chiropractic as an institution as ya as an idea as an idea. Yeah, and his son is running the college training all the chiropractors. Well, the American Medical Association ends up coming through with a ruling basically like hey, you guys are all frauds in your line to everybody and anybody who's practicing this needs to go to jail or pay a fine and stop practicing. Okay, what year was that. I believe it was the early nineteen hundred nineteenth. I don't know the exact date. I want to say, like nineteen oh five ish, someone in that ballpark, early nineteen hundreds. Yeah, and so did being the man that he was, he was like he was like he's like I will not pay a fine for this. I will not recognize that. You won't recognize this. And he's like, so you'll have to put me in prison. Oh, I can't hear you. What'd you say? What? Correct? So he goes to prison for his son, pays the fine. Sounds like whatever, I'll pay the fine. Oh my gosh, and he goes to prison for it, well for his beliefs. Yeah. Well, he stays for a month and realizes I've made a mistake, and so he sells the school works. He sells the school to his son, and he's so, what you're saying is he was in a jut. He was a chiropractor and he would take people's spines and make them straight. Yeah, and then he got scared straight out of that. Yeah yeah, yeah, pretty accurate. And so, uh he sold the college to his son so that way he could pay his fine and get out of prison. And so he did that. And I'm a little foggy on the details of what happened here because there was this big judgment that came down right, clear it up, because there's a big judgment that happened, and everybody had to pay their fines or go to jail. But then after that all kind of happened, like a bunch of chiropractors were able to just keep practicing, and so I don't know if like, okay, it wasn't. I don't know exactly how they were weaseled their way around that, but they did and they were able to continue practicing. So BJ continues running the college, and my chiropractor at the beginning of twenty twenty gave me a letter yeah that he said, if you get pulled over and they're like, why are you out of your house, you tell them you're on your way to the chiropractor, and you give them this letter to prove it. What the very very beginning during during the lockdown the twenty twenty and I was like, I was like, do you think the SWAT teams are going to pull me over? Where are you going? I'm like, hi, Ve, yeah, I forgot when you said twenty twenty what happened in twenty twenty? And I thought he was just a general, Like he was just like, here's a letter called over, dude, I'm like going ninety. Sorry, it's urgent. I need to get adjusted. Haven't pooped in days? Yeah, my subluxed I'm SUBLUXD. I'm SUBLUXD and the cop legally to let you okay, I'll lead the way. You gotta say two things. One, I'm a cop. I tell you that watch out against a cop. And then they have to go okay, I'll escort or you can call nine one one and ask for that. That's why chiropractors has cop in the name. They're all cops. Comes okay. Uh So BJA now has the school and starts running the school. Yeah, uh d D. And there are there's a fierce rivalry between the two of them. They're both uh uh d D is building this philosophy of chiropractic and running it as religion. BJ is like, now we're a business. Forget all that religion stuff. We're a business. And I'm making all these devices, medical devices for all the doctors I'm training. Devices. Yeah. So, and a lot of them are actually still in use today. Yeah, the things that do the measurements and the the find the sublixations. He was creating all these devices. Yeah. Ironically, uh he built a device what's it called? Remember in Scientology our Scientology episode, the device that they use with the converts where they have to hold those things in beginning to decide like how saved they are or whatever, he built the device that would become that, like because they became friends at some point, l Ron Hubbard, the chiropractic is linked to scientology. Yeah, el Ron Hubbard became friends with BJ and that makes so much sense. And Alron Hubbard was like, what's that? And he was like, oh, he does this thing for chiropractic. And he's like, He's like, can I have like fifty thousand of those? And then they use those as their devices for Scientology to see if you were saved? What? Yeah, whatever, they those are called. There's those media. No one who's subluxed scientology that was subluxed anyway. That's a total sidebar. But yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense. They're connected. So Bja was trying to build this business where he was training this these doctors. Okay he wasn't a doctor himself, but he's training these doctors and supplying them with their certifications and then he would sell them the devices. And so that was his business model. Coach, it was a good plan. So he was actually doing the chiropractic stuff anymore. He was just he was building a business right, got it that served the people who did it, which was pretty smart because he knew, oh, hey, there's a lot of people like practicing in this is sketchy right now. And he's like, I don't want to do the really this thing because that's weird. But he's like, but if I supply them, then maybe I can get around the legality of it, which he did for a while. And so meanwhile DDI goes out to California and tries to start a college in California. It fails. He then goes to uh it failed the college. Yeah, the California, Yeah, it didn't work. Really rethinking my move, and then he goes to Seattle, dries in Seattle, it fails, and then I want to say, he went to Phoenix somewhere in the southwest fails. So then he goes back to Davenport, Iowa and opens up a college two blocks from BJ and it's like, come to my college. I'm the only one who's capable of teaching you this stuff. And so the feud is starting to get really bitter at this point, and allegedly in uhh December, in December of nineteen thirteen, there is a homecoming parade in town. Okay, d D is marching in the parade and BJ runs with the car and kills him. Uh, I'm sorry, hit the parade in the parade. Wait, so d D doesn't immediately dive his injuries, but his son literally runs him over with a car in the parade, in the parade, in the parade, in the parade runs him over. Okay, I think was he going the parade route? No, b DDE was marching in the parade. Yeah, yeah, and b just by himself. I'm so sorry about that. For example, though, he's just he is doing his own parade. He's the only person in the Yeah, and that's what that's just. That's just jaywalking. That's not a parade. That's just jaywalking. Yeah, here's he's marching, marching the parade doing Next time, you're jaywalking. If the cops give you trouble, hand him. And this is a parade, I'm allowed to be here legally. You have to tell me if you're a cop, and then you have to start this. You have to you have to get all the cops, so they have to leave every horse in town, and they got to be at the end and also get fire drug. So sand has to be at the end too. I don't know where he is. Call him, he's got to be here. I'm doing a parade. He'll find us. So he's in the parade, just marching parade, and so is his son driving the parade rough I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. Or his son just drives into the parade. I'm pretty sure his son just drives in and gets them. Uh, and so, but he doesn't die. Two weeks later, he's back in California. But do people at the parade have seen BJ hit every putting those PJ read him over with the car. It's not a question, and they're like, I don't know if this makes me want to go there more or less? Well, he ran him over, and he showed him a note since sorry, I'm on my way to the religion, said I could do this my religion. Run my dad over. You can't. It's in the religion. And so, uh, he goes to California and he ends up dying in California two weeks later of typhoid fever. Okay, and BJ is exonerated of all his crimes. Seems very fishy to me. I don't know, so legally speaking speaking, I think it's typhoid. He was giving everybody certe typhoid. That's so dumb. So he gives a cert of sort of voice, sort avoid freak. He dies of typhoid fever allegedly, and then also two broken bones in his body. But I think we're pretty shows just that it's my shot somewhere and they were like, yeah, I did the flu though, so yeah, yeah, he just stopped breathing. We don't know why. That's like every person on the internet, that's just like, oh, were they vaccinated. That's probably why they died. Yeah, you don't think it was the five story fall that did him in. I don't because the other was everything else. It was like it was probably it was a plane crashing them might have taken his life. You think it's because he's vaccinated. So anyway, so he dies and it turns into a business. BJ is like, we're burying all this religion stuff, not my dad. Though, we're not burying him. I'm I'm backing him up with a bunch of stuff. Put I'm in the college and he's the training w you can pop my dad what Yeah, for fifty bucks, you can call my dead dad back. He's pretty subluxed. He's so sublus that he's dead. It's like it's like the Sorcerer's stone or no, no, the SORCER's stone, the sword in the stone. It's like it's like what a chiropriter can pop best can bring him back to life? You have not passed, freaking I'm trying to raise d D from the dead, trying to raise dead dead over here, that's what stands for dead dead Palmer. It's stupid. I can't believe I hit by his own So the kills him. Typhoid kills him, son kills him, and then he starts a business and becomes an empire and uh, for years, my biggest fear the American medical Your son kills you. Yeah, your biggest fear is like going to prison for the primate. Mine is straight up there. When my kids will kill me? Yeah, I mean that's likely, Like I will slip with my door locked at night. I think you're that afraid of it. I'm pretty afraid of my kid killing me. What about right, She's shacking over power so easily. I mean, just have we kids then, oh yeah, I'm going to Yeah, you can decide. Why are your kids like so malnourished. I want to I just want to make striking over power power. All Right, I think these rugs, this rug is definitely getting my allergies going. Yeah, I'm feeling it. I didn't think it would shoot, but I'm feeling we should vacuum. Uh. So they start the business, they start doing chiropractic for you, and they establed a college. The Palmer College still is like the college for chiropractors in Davenport, Iowa. Okay, it's a big deal. I'm pretty sure it is Davenport. We keep saying Davenport. I'm not positive. I'm pretty sure, but I'm sorry, I'm texting. They continue this battle with the American Medical Association to this day. In the seventies, as recently as the seventies, chiropractors were going to jail for practicing chiropractic because the American Medical Association was like, you're doing stuff that's not real. Recently there has been I don't know how to describe it. Recently they've softened their approach because in the nineties there was a chiropractor who sued the American Medical Association saying that like for libel, Okay, and lost that lawsuit big time. The jury was like, yeah, we all know you're making this up. And so lost that lawsuit and it was this whole, big, big deal. Well, in two thousand and three, I believe he reopened the case and used some weird niche law to basically say that that whole jury was like unfit to roll on that case. And in this reopened case, they were able to then win that case against the American Medical Association. Okay, And the whole case basically that he brought forward was that there was this kind of sleeper cell within the American Medical Association that was trying to take down chiropractic from the inside. It was a big conspiracy theory to the point where there was a chiropractor who allegedly went undercover within the American Medical Association, got a job with the American Medical Association and leaked a bunch of documents. We still don't know who his name is, who his actual name is. He goes by sore throat, leaks a bunch of these documents allegedly from the well the American Medical Association saying that like, yeah, we need to crush character. We don't know who he is. He goes by roast be But yeah, so Sore Throat brought this out in the sky suit and one and and ever since then, the American Medical Association has pumped or breaks because they they lost that big lawsuitent Yes, it was a big deal for them, but the American Medical Association still stands pretty firm on the fact that chiropractic is something that can bring some relief, and it's something that can is like a a pain relieving treatment, but it is not a medical treatment because there stands there is there is Most of the doctors that I see talking about this say there is a place for chiropractic as if like, if you have pain, it can alleviate that pain, and there are certain things that it does actually help, but it is not something that is actually fixing the problem. You're you're dealing with the symptoms when you're dealing with chiropractic. You're not dealing with the problem itself. Okay, And there's a place for that, like if you need pain relief, like it can be a place where you can get pain relief. But there's also a lot of people who practice chiropractic that act like it can cure everything, right, right, and that's sketchy and that's not true. The actually if you just keep coming back, yeah, there's no evidence for that. In fact, there's evidence to the contrary of that. And so but if you go too much, you're actually making it worse. Yeah, because it's like it's just like what people say with your when you pop your knuckles, Like the more you pop your knuckles, the more you need to pop your knuckles. And if you continue to do that and then you stop, you you cause poslems. But if you continue to do it too much, you can actually open yourself up to situations where you can cause damage. It's the same thing with your back. You're pop things in your back too much, You're weakening all those connection points and so eventually it could cause bigger problems. And especially with chiropractors, like there are certain moves that are totally safe to do, but there are some new moves they could learn. Learn this new move and I don't know, man, Yeah, there's some moves that they could do that are pretty dangerous and if they make a mistake, like there are people who die from chiropractic adjustments that shouldn't yeah, yeah, yeah, And so it is something I'm not saying like chiropractic is something that you should never do, but it's something that you should think of as like a massage. Becau's not medicine. Sure, it's something that could relieve and could be helpful and could be good, but it's not medicine. And it was founded by a guy who thought it should be a religion, which is crazy. Speaking of religions, we do have a patriot and the only ones who could lead it are us, myself and Tim Stone. And here's the thing. The government can't take this from They could try. They could try. Come and take it with my car. I'm gonna hit your dad with my car. Yeah, and then we're gonna let people. I'm gonna hit my dad with a car. We're all in our dad's with cars. That's our religious beliefs, and you can't infridge on them. I have a letter right here says three things. One are you a cop God? You have to tell me legally. Two, I'm gonna hit my dad with a car because of the religious beliefs that I hold dear to my heart, and you can't infridge on those. And three if you disagree with me, fill a while. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, you can subscribe or watch some more episodes or some clips. But then I need to make this like twenty seconds. My producer said it has to be longer, so I'm just gonna keep talking for a little bit. And is this long enough? Connor okay? Cool? Yeah, thanks for being here.


Chiropractic care is a standard back and neck pain treatment, but where did it come from? The origins of chiropractic are pretty strange and unexpected. It all started with a Canadian man named Daniel David (D.D.) Palmer in the late 1800s. Palmer worked as a “magnetic healer,” claiming he could cure diseases by waving magnets over people’s bodies. This practice … Read More

Kevin McCallister – The Boy Who Fought Back

12-19-23

Episode Transcript

Made by robots for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey man, what's up. Hey, Merry Christmas? Oh yeah, Christmas, Merry Christmas. What a beautiful time of the year. Yeah, it's almost over, so I hope you enjoyed it. Well, you can't times donnut Rouge Donna forsake the time of your family because you might not. I wish you were never bore. It was like their colleague cards. They would peede themselves Christmas gift for anyone in your family with a massive head. So he puts together this war plan to defend his home, and he's sort of a shorter episode if he called the police. We're going over some Yeah, this is things I learned last night. We just went and saw uh, my wife's one hundred year old uh great grandma, Yeah, yesterday. Yeah, and she got up and showed me that she's doing squats like she just I was like, how are you still walking around and stuff? And she gets up is freaking two plates, dude, I feel like twenty five. Yeah, she's freaking crazy. She threw that down and started doing some lunches in between. Yeah. No, she really was like squatting and then she like bent her knee up and like she was showing all of her mobility things that she does every day. That's pretty crazy. I was like, what about one hundred, one hundred years old? That's nuts. But anyway, the reason I said the family would take is that, you know, because we we moved and the last thing that she said before we left was don't forget that your family are your first friends. It was just one of those things that we were like, Okay, one hundred year old person think yeah, yeah, yeah, Like once you have three digits in your year, like you start to I told her, I said, I said, oh man, keeping limber for the next one hundred she goes. I hope not. She's at that age where every time we go over there, she just goes. I prayed that guy would take me last night and he didn't. You're like, okay, that's so sad. Good to see you too. Anyways, I have you never heard of Kevin McAllister. Yeah, he runs the restaurant that are like clothes. It's his restaurant. They got a good club sandwich. Yeah, no, it's not that. Not the same okay, not the same. No, Kevin McAllister was he was the center of a pretty wild event, okay, like Christmas nineteen ninety okay, him and his family. Well here, let's let's start from beginning of the story. His family. His dad, Peter worked in like corporate Chicago and had made like a pretty good name for himself, okay, and got pretty successful. Like here, here's an example, here's a good name of yeah. Okay, yeah, here's here's their home. They had a beautiful Chicago home in like suburb these days, though, I mean it's still it was mentioned in those days, in those days, not that long ago. Well, I mean it is, though it's like thirty years yeah, I guess, I guess. I yeah, thirty three thirty three years ago. Jeez, remember it, like okay, no, uh, but yeah, they were pretty successful and they they were I feel like this is like a like a rich person thing to do, where they on Christmas Day were like, We're going to go to France on the day of Christmas, like Christmas morning. I think it's a it's a it's an upper middle class thing to do because the flying on Christmas is cheaper than the other days. To be fair, this trip was a big trip, like they brought all their family and like who paid for it, Peter. I'm pretty sure Peter paid for the whole thing. I don't know. I don't know, Like the reports are are slim on who was paying for everyone's flights, but I do know it was like, yeah, it was it was the mcallisters, Peter and his wife Kate and their kids. But then also like they brought extended family, so it was like all the cousins and like the aunts and uncles and grandparents went on this trip too. Okay, so it was a big crew. There's actually a photo from another trip. This wasn't the same Christmas trip. I don't believe this is a Christmas trip. I think this is a different Christmas trip. I believe this is I'm not positive, but this I think this might have been next year. So two four six eight, Yeah, a lot of cousins. I think there's aunt and uncle photo too, but the rest of them are all cousins. They're all the cousins. Kevin is the little boy in the middle, like dead center that blue robot. So big family. So even if like like even if there's better rates on Christmas, like they they're buying a big family, like they're probably almost the whole plane. At what point is it more economical to fly private and that's like, that's really how I justify it. So I go, yeah, private economically, just economically, like that just makes more just makes more sense. And the Lord wants me to do it because I can reach more people this way, God told God said my plane the other wise. And I'm not trying to show off. I got watches more valuable than your cars. But but every time I land in the airport, people clap. They're like, yeah, we should do that at the airport, and we should clappers. People's getting we should have plants, hire people, should people who are not so higher people were in it, yeah, to do the little thing when they walk out, I didn't go to jail. If we did that, I think they would arrest you. What you do a tunnel. At the end of the tunnel, you get arrested. They think you about you knew that regular airlines activity. Okay, that is just regular. You know someone common on my thing. I made a video about tsa thing and they were like about, how like they owe you money if they yeah, someone common And it goes, well, that's not the same one Frontier and I comed like, why would I be flying Frontier? Sorry, this is a different this is a conversation for the people. You know, there should be separate security lines for those people. I remember there was a moment in time where I thought Frontier was the coolest airline and it was just because of their was because I was a child and they had commercials that appealed to well, I guess, yeah, you grew up in their market, didn't Yeah, yeah, I was. I was someone that because I think their whole marketing plan was we get the kids to think we're the coolest. That way, the parents buy tickets when they take their kids to Disney World. That's oh, I think that was why they did. They were flying Frontier. I don't know what they were flying. I don't know what's Frontier doing that in nineteen ninety Yes, it's probably like I don't know, American. I'd think American Airlines was the one, and I don't know sure, I don't have an answer to that question. But they bought like sixteen tigres. They bought a lot of tickets, and so everybody comes out, they come to Chicago first and they stay and do Christmas. They yeah, they do Christmas the night before, they do their family thing. And the reports of what happened on Christmas Eve before the trip are a little shody because it was only the family that was there, so we don't know. There's questions on like how legitimate the storyline really is. But allegedly there was a disagreement during dinner over some of the pizza or meals or something like that, and it got pretty heated between a couple of the cousins and it kind of hit a fever pitch with Kevin that the sun and I showed you in the front, and that led to like disciplinary action. His mom, Kate, walked him out of the room. They went upstairs and they kind of had an argument, and then the argument allegedly okay, Kevin screamed uh at at Kate and said that I think you're say he stabbed her. I was like, what are you building to right now? It's allegedly, yeah, this is where she tripped and fell down those stairs. What do you Allegedly Kevin yelled something. We don't know exactly what he yelled, but something to the effect of I wish I didn't I lived alone, I wish I didn't have any of my family, I wish you were all dead something like that. We don't know exactly what he said. But he yelled something along those lines to that effect, and she uh said, tonight, you're gonna have to sleep in the attic. Jeez, it seems like a disproportional you know, a child throws a fit. Here's the thing about Christmas time, Christmas family fights, right, yeah, is that none of you had vegetables in three weeks. That's the whole problem, dude. People come to Christmas and they're just stocked up on candy. No one's eating anything healthy. It's just freaking cornbread, ham and Mars bars. It's a ridiculous amount of can Yeah. And then and then you're just like, why do we always find it holidays? You're like, because none of you have had your green your diet is a mess. Yeah, and you're also all sleeping on couch. It like there's thirty two people sleeping in your house right now. That's a nightmare. Uncle Tom's chugged two gallons of milk. Like, that's not a good milk of milk. He keeps saying it's milk. But we know that's not milk. We can smell it. We know it's not milk. So he sleeps up in the attic. That night, all right, that we know for sure, Okay, and then what happens here is kind of crazy. It's like a finished addict does it have like he got air conditioners. It's a partially finished attic. I think it's kind of like I think this might be like a Chicago thing, or like maybe not even a Chicago thing, but like this is something that I think, like, I think certain regions treat addicts like we treat basements, where it's like like they'll put that up there, They'll put it like a living room type space up there. I think, I don't know, actually's pretty good, yeah, because the basements are never finishing those houses. Though the bases were never finishing those houses. They always treat the interest. It's interesting. Interesting. I think that's a thing that they do. Huh. All right, Anyways, overnight there was a slight storm that knocked the power out. And this is nineteen ninety, so nobody has cell phones, okay, and so because the power went out, the power came back on. No one noticed, no one realized the power went out. Sure power came back on, and all the alarm clocks in the house. I hate when this happens in a hotel Yeah, so they missed their wake up alarm. They wake up to the airport shuttle. Another thing we don't really do much anymore, but the airport shuttle came to pick them up. You do if you're upper middle class slash maybe rich. The airport shuttle comes to pick them up, knocks on the door. Yeah, my Uber black shut up personal driver. That's a pretty similar I guess that's the It's not Uber black though, an airport shuttle is is the Uber? Yeah? What's the uber where people ride with you? Uberpool? Yeah. I don't even don't speak the language, geez, it's an uberpool. Yeah. So the uber pool shows how they knock on the door. They wake up to the knock on the door and they're like, oh my gosh, our flight. Yeah, and so they just start panicking. Everybody started like throwing stuff, grabbing, grabbing each other. They're jumping in and as they're getting in the car, Kate recounts it as saying it was cass We had two shuttles. We had to count everybody, like, we had eight nine kids that are coming on this flight, and we had to figure it out. And so she said she enlisted one of the older daughters to go count all the kids, and one like, count, make sure we've got enough, and went through, counted all the heads. Well, what had happened was there was a neighbor boy who saw the commotion, had already celebrated Christas morning, got a new game boy, was out there playing with his game boy. Walks over and it's kind of talking to all of them. Sits in the shuttles, talking to the other neighbor kids, playing his game boy. Take this kid on a flight. Well, they count the kids. Child, you're not a kidnapper, you look like a kidnapper. I am. And so that she comes in and she's I was when I was twenty two, I got involved with the Russian mafia. Got a kidnapped on Christmas morning. So they count, They count all these kids, and she sees what she thinks is Kevin sitting there, but it's really the neighbor kid. She counts him as if he's Kevin, and then they she's like, yeah, we've got everyone. Meanwhile, that kid leaves the shuttle, like upstairs, I don't see. Nobody remembered Kevin's sleeping in the attic that night. They remember to this day he remembers that he slept in the attic that night. So Kevin's asleep up in the attict, no clue that anyone that any of this is happening. He's like just completely knocked out asleep. The shuttle leaves, they go to the airport, they have to like sprint to their gate. They get on the plane, the plane takes off their airborne before anyone realizes that Kevin's still asleep in the attic. And so meanwhile, col h, He's got to be like seven or eight at this time. I don't know, like he's a kid, he's a child. Allegedly he could be a thirty two year old person pretending to be a child. We don't know the facts. We don't know, we don't know. We just we're going off the reports from the family. Yeah, and so Kevin wakes up, and Kevin walks down from the attic. Luckily, like this is also an attict, This isn't an attict with like the yeah he'd stuck up there, Hey goy, Hey, hey, I get it. I'm sorry. Yeah. Now they're like there's stairs to this attic. So he walks downstairs and no one's there, and so he thinks in his little kid brain, He's like, I made my family disappear. He's like, when I like, I said my family, he said what I wish all of you go were gone? Like it worked. And so he he celebrates like he's having the time of his life this Christmas. He's excited, like yeah, he's like, he's like, I can watch our raid of movies. I can eat ice cream for breakfast. Like he's he's living the life. You know, well we all do at nineteen when we first move out. Yeah, You're like, oh my god, she can do whatever I want. And then and then you taste consequences for the first time. Then you gain seventy pounds and you're like wow. And then you take your credit card statement and you're like, oh that, and you find out where your credit score is in a pretty unpleasant way, and you realize that matters, and you're like, people care about that, old people care about that. Oh, and then you start drinking milk and Jack, you're like, hedge off, man, I'm so stressed. So okay. So he's living there, Beth, your best our son has been working hard and finally has an acceptable seven to twenty credits core. I keep telling him it can be higher, and he says that I'm working on it. I'm trying my best. The economy is what it used to be, you guys. You guys got it easy with the houses that you bought so cheap in your head, if you really look at the inflation, the minimum wage versus what a house costs these days, not that you do. Uh. So they're on the flight and Kate just his mom, Kevin's mom. Kate can't shake the feeling that she's forgetting something. Yeah. So they're sitting there and they're talking about. They're like, I feel like I forgot something, and her husband's like, maybe I left the garage rope. I might. I think that's it. I think I left the garage door open. Yeah, And she's like, no, that's not it. We're talking about. They're talking about. They're talking about it, and then she realizes nobody woke Kevin up. They're in the air on the way to free She pulls a gun. She's like, there's what's gonna get this plane down. She pulls the gun the cockpit and says, take me back to my child. That's the only way to get the plane down. Otherwise they're we're not right. Yeah, they didn't even care that she had a good Yeah. It turns out that the pilots were from Chicago and they were like, hey, that's how we're doing it. What we're doing it. Yeah, So she guys is playing all the way to Chicago or now all the way to France, she guess. They fly to France in the middle of flight. Nothing they can do about it, Yeah, and she's freaking out. She's having a hard time. The family is like trying to console her on the on the flight and she's like the second we land, I'm getting on another flight back to Chicago to go because Kevin. The dad's like, I mean it's fine. It's like, yeah, the food is gonna be great. We got tickets for a show tonight, like they're non refundable. Yeah, it's like, I I mean, let's be really, this was the highlight of their honeymoon. We have to go see. We made such a big deal. Friends just told this is the highlight, the highlight of their honeymoon. We bought the tickets. We got to do it. So Kevin, Kevin is home, Yeah, and a couple of interesting things start to happen while he's there one, he learns really quickly how to be an adult. He starts like pay bills and literally he's like, he's like taking care of the home. He's like trimming hedges. He's going to the grocery store and he's like buying himself like actual girl, not just like day one trim the hedges. His family leaves there. In the plan, he walk this house looks so such a freaking mess, the whole thing. It was a crazy shade. Agree, but it was not good time for him to be like so much. Should keep taking care of this. It was almost immediate. He just goes, I got to get well, I guess, takes the trash cans up. He's he's not. He's just gotta shipping this trash can on the driveway. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you want to help us grow our show, one of the easiest and best ways to do that is to join our Patreon. It's a way for your financial to support this show, and you get a lot in return. You get access to our discord channel, you get bonus content that was out, you get exclusive merchandise, and like live Zoom hangouts where we're both just hanging out, eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't supports financially, we're not pressed about it. We're not like mad, but I'll find you. So text till in the six six eight sixty six to keep yourself from being found, all right, because if you don't, I will want you down dad. So we started taking care of the home. Meanwhile, there had been this string of burglaries in their neighborhood. Okay, from a group that was known as the Wet Bandits. That sounds a good joke. That sounds a good joke, but it was like their colleague cars. They would feed themselves that way. If they get caught. The first question is it, what are you doing in my house? It's down your house, right, it's your house. You hear some sprint down the hall running and then stop and then you stop. You go, hey did you pee your pants? And that's like a bison enough time to get out of there. Where the bandits suck up They say that yeah, no, what they were doing they had this calling card, so they would what they would do, they would break into homes of people who were out on vacation for like like Christmas. Yeah, yeah, and so they would break into these homes, but they wanted, I don't know why, they like wanted to put their signature on it. And so what they would do is they would leave the kitchen sink on when they left, and they would like stuff up the drain so it flood the whole house. And so they would steal all your stuff. But then also, yeah, it sucks, like it's pretty brutal. Yeah, and so h for water damage press for for stolen property press five, And you're like, Babe, which one do I should I do the water damage claim first or the stolen properly? There was a for the Wet Bandits, the Wet Bands Press six, but it's like, but it's like clearly so they had to record that because of the new string of stuff. So it's like for the for water damage, press five, for stolen property press six, for the Wet Bandits, Press seven, it's like clearly recorded the same for the Wet Bandits. For the Wet band You're not supposed to say, beef, I said that the press seven there, okay, and then you push the button and it goes, don't what hold on, I'm doing that song. I'm doing that. What you're doing, I'm doing sounds do it. I was doing what I would do on hold. You've done that. You've been on hold and the music is pretty good. So you're kind of like and then they go hello and you're like, Hi, you know what I'm saying. They heard you. They definitely heard you. Yeah, And you're like, so, like, would you turn your chair on me? If this is the voice? They're like, what would you turn anyway? Sorry, it's a it's a it's stolen property and it's a wet claim, Like, okay, my house is so wet drenched alright, just calling a flexol. My house is so property value in front of us. I know you're sappy. White House Tour February second in Berlin, Maryland. We'll see you there. So so the Wet band, it's yeah. They ended up getting caught eventually. Their names are are Harry and Marva and uh Harry. The game that they would do is Harry would go around the neighborhood and he would case the neighborhood dressed as a cop and he would go door to door and he would say he would ring the doorbell and talk to the homeowners and say, hey, there's a string of burglaries in the area. We want to make sure that all of our neighbors are taking the proper precautions. Let me know what you're doing. Yeah, what what's your security program? Are you traveling anytime? Do you? What's your pets names, what's your Yeah, what kind of car did you drive? Yeah, So he'd get all that information about them, find out if they were traveling anytime soon. And he would also because they he was an officer, like dressed like an officer, they would find there, he'd get an inventory of what they have in the house and what they he was targeting and when they would break in. Like it was kind of smart, like a smart way to case the neighborhood. Sure, and people fell for it. And so he actually, uh did this with the mcallisters a couple of days before their trip. He showed up, did the same thing and they're like, Yeah, we're going to France on Christmas morning and we're gonna do the whole thing. And yeah, we've got the timers on the lights like everything you can do to be secure and safe, and he got to see everything that they had. So they made plans the day after Christmas to come back and and hit the McAllister home because they knew they were going to be out of town. Well, Kevin's there. Uh yeah, so Kevin hedge clippers hedges. He gave me inside, he gave he gave the family Volkswagen an oil change, grease allovers figure. He couldn't even YouTube it. He's making a steak on the grail of the car. Like the car is hard enough that he just knows how to cook it right. He's just out there and the engine's running. He's just, eh, I'm cooking. I'm an army guy. You know a r M. Why you're not gonna know how I So Harry and Marvs show up to hit the house and he's he's inside. He's in the kitchen and he's watching an R rated movie, one of the like a family favorite classic Christmas movie. And there's been debate on what movie this is, like people can't track down, Like he says, it's a Christmas He's like, he's I don't know what the movie was. It was the one that my family was watching that year. It's an R rated movie. And in that movie, there's kind of like an argument between a couple of criminals that ends in like one of the criminals gunning down the guy with like a Tommy gun geez. And it's a violent, like R rated movie. I Wish You were never born, you know. It's like really guns him down, you know. And so he hears he hears the wet bandits trying to get in in his kitchen, and so he takes the VHS and runs to the kitchen TV the out of VHS in there, and he puts the VHS in fast forwards it to that moment in the movie, and he has some firecrackers. He puts them in a pot and he times it. He like lights the firecrackers, so the firecrackers go off the same time that the guns fire and like cranks the movie. So the guys are trying to get in that back door and then they hear this argument through the door and then they hear the firecracker line up with the gunshot sounds in the movie, and they think that someone well they think someone beat them to it, and they were having a disagreement over the take, and then they someone killed someone and so they freak out. They run. They're like someone beat us to the score, like we missed our chance, and they're like frick. So they leave. They run away, and Kevin is like, Okay, we survived, but I don't know what that was about. Like I'm a little nervous, like I gotta yeah, I gotta find a way to protect myself. Uh. They continue casing the house. Thinking from his kid though, that is pretty sharp. Let's be real, we've learned some things about him already, like he was very quickly ready to just be these and he didn't take like it didn't take a second for him to figure it out. He started shaving. That was another thing he said. He said he started shaving. He didn't need to. Yeah, he's just made himself. It's just literally just cutting his face to I don't think like I'm just my dad does this? Why do they do this? I guess you after a while now, you know, was trying to break in. Freddy Krueger opens the door a kid voice, and they're like, I'm more afraid of this guy. He's got the hedge clipper clip has one man, chest covered in grease, face covered in blood, I'm scared too merry Christmas. So they started chasing the house for a little bit sure, and they start to they start to realize something's awry because they have this experience where they think someone got gun down in the house. Kevin quick thinking goes and he finds like throughout his house. He's like, okay, I got to make sure that it seems like people are living here still, like there's still stuff going on. Okay, So he goes and he his mom has like a like one of those like wig head dolls, you know what I'm talking about, like the mannequin heads that you can still on. So he sets up a couple of those, like okay, I store my odd job hats on little mannequins, and just they're very large, you know. He sets those up at like the dining room table, puts one on the end of the Christmas for anyone in your family with a massive head. And like his prop code. His older brother has like a like a Michael Jordan like cardboard cutout, and so like het, he starts setting these up around the house. Like he puts one of them on like a train, so like moves around the house and then turns all the lights on, so through the windows saying like yeah they would. They would then try to break in and see a mannequin head and someone lives here. No, so through the window shades it would look like people. Like interesting, So they come back to kiss the house. They see this, and they're like, what's going on? Like some last night someone died in there, but now they're having a party, like a Christmas party, and so they start to think something shady is going on. Eventually they put two and two together and realize that this kid's this kid's like playing trying to play us and the kid. The kid somehow gets win as what's going on as well, Like he realizes these people are kising the house. I don't know if he sees them outside a bunch or whatever, but he's figuring it out. And and here's where things get strange. I don't know if Kevin's parents just never like this is the this is the height of stranger danger. This is the height of like the Dare program. Like you would think he would know call nine one one, like you would think they would have taught him this, but he he never does the police, never calls the police. Instead, he puts together a war plan, and in sort of a shorter episode, if he called the police of yeah, this event would have been as interesting. So he puts together this war plan to defend his home from the Wet Bandits. He doesn't realize they are the Wet Bandits yet. Meanwhile, his mom is traveling across the world to try to get to him. So she lands in France, and in France, they're like, hey, like, the next flight back to Chicago with the quickest we could get you there is two days, and she's like that's not good enough, and so she starts trying to like trade plane tickets with people manages, which I guess you could do in the nineties. Yeah, that is interesting, Like I don't know if like, could you just do that? Yeah? Could you just be like, hey, I'll give you give your ticket off home alone? Right now? I gotta get back to it. I don't believe you put the gun away. You could have just asked me, I'm not going to give it to you. Is that you are you trying to tell me I have a gun right now? So they so she she manages to get a flight back to the States, but doesn't get to Chicago, and so she starts having to like try to find connecting flights. Long story short, she ends up like going through like she gets back to the States, and then she has to like, there is a you're not gonna believe this. There's a polka band that's on tour. They flew in. I believe in a polka band. I just don't believe in a polka band on tour. I don't know if that's the part that I buy. There's a poke band on tour and they're trying to fly back to Chicago. They like their tours over they're trying to fly back, but they're all the flights were canceled out of whatever airport they ran at the time, and so they decided they were going to rent a U haul and they were all going to sit in the back of the U haul truck and ride back to Chicago. And you can hitch a ride with us with our Poke band, with our Poke band of his you haul. And so she's she agrees to this, but I mean, I mean it's it's a long drive and a in the winter storm. Yeah, so she could get the two days later anyway, it's kind of like just taken the She didn't realize that when she left. I guess yeah. Meanwhile, the rest of the families see in Paris, they're like the good thing Kevin's not here. He would have really ruined. It's actually way should do this? Should we put them up for adoption? Should we get rid of Kevin? Maybe this is bad. Maybe when we go to New York next year we should just hide him. So just leave them there. That's a pretty good idea. So Kevin puts together this battle plan. Okay, and he I mean not gonna lie kind of look up to the plan he put together, Like, he put together this plan where he be trapped the heck out of his house. And so for example, he got like a I don't even know what these are called. Thanks man for I don't know what this? What is this? And someone tell you what this is? I've been triggering too much, jacket milk. I can't figure it out. It opens. That's crazy. You see this epen. It's like a whole new thing. Well, I want to see something crazy. This is the church. Here's the steeple you're opening up. Here's all the people. This, this is the church. Here's a steeple. My gun. People choose a different letters. You can yell it. Why this just came up to me, that's gonna be and asked, why did you be your pants? Okay, stupid, No, they're there are these things. They're like like a it's like a little heating element. Like you plug it in and there's there's just a coil that you use. I don't know what you use it for. You use it to heat stuff. I don't know, I'm not sure what it's. Okay, it's just a heating element. So you put this heating element on the door, so the door knob got super hot. Yeah, burn you. And then like in his comes home, Let's say say the Polka pan arrives and now it's like she comes inside, she open, she gets the door opens inside the door, he had put all of his matchbox cars around the floor, so like you slip on the cars, f on the floor. She falls and yeah, he breaks her arm. Yeah, And so he does stuff like that, like at every doorway there's cars or the glass Christmas orb ornaments by every windows. Like you climb in, you're you're stepping on ornaments and breaking those. He also like the stairs, the stairs up to the front porch and the stairs down to the back, like they had one of those back basement cellar doors. He sprayed down with water so froze and got all icy. Oh, he's like, here's your calling card. Yeah, wet bandit's more like slip bandits slippy boys. Slippy boys. And then like he uh, the basement stairs. This is like particularly diabolical. He up the basement stairs. He like tarred them so they were super sticky. So if you stepped on him and like pulled your shoes and your socks off of them all the way up until eventually like he like counted, I guess it was smart. One shoe, one shoe, one sock on sock, one shoe, one sock, and then it was just a nail. So you just step right. That's the quiet place is in that movie. No, did the monsters do it in that movie. No, the monsters didn't do it. But she steps on the nail and he supposed to be quiet, you know, she steps on the nail and she's that's rough. Yeah, that's really rough. Yeah, they didn't have to be quiet, though, I mean would be smarter too. Luckily they were yelling quiet letters. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this one. We've got a lot of great past episodes that you can check out. One of my recent favorites is Frank Abagneil Junior. It's the dude from the movie Cast Me if you can, and it's the story about how he scammed everybody into a really big scam. There's one scam that's like the scammingest of scams I've ever heard someone scam. So check that one out. It's it's a fun one. I like it a lot. But thanks for being here. They've broken the house. Then they did get in. They kind of split up and so they found different ways in because because they quickly realized, like this house is booby chapped, and so they split up to try to find different ways in. And it was just like, one at what point do you give up? Though? You know, like, at what point you're trying to rob us? You've already got so many other houses in the neighborhood because it's a issue for these guys. I think it is I have let me see. Oh, I do have a picture of them. This is I think this photo was taken the night of the arrest. But it's strange because they're not like it's not like a mug shot. And it's also they're not in the squad car, so I don't know if the police were like, hey, say cheese, but this is the two guys. Oh my gosh, wait, this guy looks at that dude from my cousin Vinnie, is kind of looksrettys a lot like him. This guy looks like, uh, oh gosh, what's on his face? So there was a hot iron that got dropped on his face at one point while they were in the house. The other guy, he actually that he had a blowtorch burned the top of his bean. That's why his bean looks like that. And he actually fed like tartan feather like those jokes, Like he gave it a room and I think it was like a like a floor fan that he's set up with, like like he rigged with a bunch of feathers and so like it was like honey, I think. So he got covered in the honey and then the feather the feathers got blown all over them. And how does it end? Though? I mean like like so, I mean, how many different traps should go through? This is what I'm saying about these burglars. Why you could just quit any time you could just go this is not worth it. So he created this double a match box. It's kind of over it's kind of like, yeah, we got to get this kid. It's kind of like getting maced, Like if you make me, I'm just going to attack you harder. Okay, let's put that on the internet. That was my line. That's why you maced me. That's what I said that led to you macing me was attack me harder. Yeah, that's what I said. I said, I don't think that's a real form of self defense. I think if you make me, I'm just going to attack you. And let's see. Yeah, then we learned, and we learned. It's a very good Now see what happens after? So he leads them through this house of terrors essentially sure, and he's very clearly like orchestrating their movements. It's like a haunted house. It's like it's like you're going to do this booby trap and it's going to lead you here. It's going to lead you here, all leading them up to the attic like he chases. He has them chase him up up the stairs and he hangs paint cans from like some ropes that swung down and like hit him in the face while they were coming up the stair. Like crapy stuff gets them to chase them all the way up to the attic. Who cleans all this up? The fire department? Right when stuff like this happens, the fire departments, right right, I come home, I go. I would have rather than just flooded the house. Kevin, like, all this stuff is protected by insurance. You do him? Do this? Just call nine one. Oh, I couldn't remind Kevin, you're just lexing. I called one nine nine and the guy said, stop calling me. He's like, hey, leave me along, leave me alone. This is a common mistake people make. Nor Rad the literal Air Force shows up. Yeah, they air strigged his house. Yeah, we him target acquired, We got target, destroy target a little bit. Yeah, k comes home. It's literally a crator. Yeah. What did he do? Kevin's thought him. I tried to take care of the house really good. I did some broken ornaments. I did some matchbox cars. I have one of them. He got hit in the face of the iron and then I called it an air strike from the United States Air Force. We bumped that out of Oh. But you know what, though, maybe he didn't call the police because he thought because the because the guy guy was a cop, yeah, and he thought they were dirty. Maybe he thought that if he called the police, they'd be like, yeah, we freaking know, what did you call my house getting broken into it? They're like, oh, we know, we know you should just we know, we're aware. Our best guys out there, all right, So what happened? So he gets them to chase him up to the attic where he had set up a zipline from the attic to his treehouse. Okay, and uh, they chase him up there. He's like, he's like, I'm gonna go to the treehouse and call nine one one. I'm calling the cops. You better stop me. And he ziplines to the treehouse. And when you're in a zip line, not like this like I'm doing. I went to a main event the other night. They have a small zip line it's like forty feet the ropes course stuff yeah yeah, And I've done like a rubs course at youth camps and I was like, I'm not going to do that. I can't do that. And then the guy who's like a little bigger than I am, Uh, he goes, I do it, and then he ran up there and this guy, the guy, he acted like he lived on the ropes course because like me and Ray are the only ones up. There's a Monday night, it's a slow night at main event, and we're like going, you know, we're doing our shoot, you know, and this guy is just like like a freaking you see nach leb Yeah, right, you know the girl crossed through the tunnels, that's what he looks like, just freaking. Then you'd be like he's just and he's over on the other side, and you're like, what the heck and he just what the heck. So then I'm like kind of looking at it and he just like appears he's like I'll do it, Okay, okay, and he's like I'm like, I'm bigger than you are. He said, you can do it. I was like, ok right, and then he went and then so that forty feet was terrifying for me. Yeah, this is a similar situation, except for it's it's a zipline and he built himself that afternoon. Yeah, and this is like if I fall, I'm going to get a really good I kind of wanted to. Yeah, I got to pay some debt main events gonna I'm gonna assume him. He built it using the handlebars from his bike, and so he oh, he hooked that up on this rope and just ziplined across to uh his his treehouse. And he talked about it in like a news report and he said that was the one part that he wasn't very confident in, Like he was like, he's like, I didn't know if that was going to work. I was very scared. And it did. He made it, and like it was like I'm calling the cops, like coercing them to crawl across the zip line. And so he waited for them to get up on the zip line and they're like shimming. They don't have a zipper on the line. They're just climbing the zip line from the attic to the treehouse. He waits for them to get about to the middle of the line and then reveals that he had set the hedge clippers up there that he's clipping the hedges with. And so he gets out there and he clips the lines. They swing back. You've got a sophisticated system for burger rising homes. And then a nine year old child is looking you in the eye holding your destiny, and just that hurts more than any physical pain that could have taken place. I mean, the even beat beat hard at this point, like they are in bad in a bad situation, and so they swing back into the house. He climbs out of the out of the the treehouse and he runs across the street to a neighbor's house who he knew was also out of town, and he breaks into this house. It's also here's the thing, here's the thing. He runs into this other house, breaks into this house. Uh, the bandits had already hit this house. It's flooded, and so they had already broken into the He didn't know that. So he breaks in there and he goes to try to get to a phone because here's that was the problem. It is like he set up this whole play like he was going to call the cops from that treehouse. But it's a treehouse. There's no phone there, so he has to go get to a phone. And finally, after this whole like event of him leading them on and like having them chase he has the upper hand, they finally like are like they at smart them, and so they go through the back door while he's going through the front door and they can catch up. He can't sneak up on them, you know what I'm saying, Like they're just like what the o trying to swim? It's not deep enough they trying to swim. It's like an inch. He's just like, I'm swim what are you doing? Can get off the floor? So uh, they catch him and they Kevin says that they picked him up and they hung him like buy his coat on a coat rack, and they're like threatening to like bite his fingers off or something crazy like it was like what kind of crazy? Like you know, a lady did that to my brother at Subway once. This is a real story. There was a lady at my hometoad. There's a lady at my hometown who we all we all knew she was insane, all right, but she would just go around town. She would ride along with the newspapers in her yard. Oh I have told you about her. She had like they're hanging from her trees and stuff. Yes, yeah, okay, okay, but I only I've said that on the podcast before. Ye like you did to go by her house. All her windows are covered in newspaper. She got newspaper clips hanging from the tree like freaking ornaments or whatever, like outside of her house. Just yeah, oh yeah. But she'd ride around town on her bike and then if you were just anywhere near, she'd scream at you and she'd be like right, but she's the most lookable that person you ever seen. She want to look. You told me about her because I saw her at You did see her, yes, and you were like, there's this crazy lady. And I was like, see, that's crazy, I said, I said, why is there a mannequin out front? Right? And I was like, no, that's a real person and she's crazy. She did not move. I'm not even kidding when I say she didn't even flinch. Like she was out there. I pulled up, I saw her standing there. Yeah, and like I walked past her, walked in, she didn't even move, walked out, walk past he again, she didn't move, and I backed up and I remember staring at her and being like, why did they put this out here? She hates me? Look because she was at Subway and my brother was four at the time, and he's clearly a four year old who looks at someone who looks insane and goes and she turns and goes, you don't quit, look at me, I'm gonna break your fingers off, like straight up said that. So pretty similar scenario. Similar anyway, So they hang them up, threatening to bite his fingers off. Luckily, and this was like just a pure stroke of luck. The neighbor of that house had heard the commotion when Kevin cut that wire, cut the zip line and looked at the window to see two guys swinging from this cut zipline across the house looking like they got beat to death. And then they sees Kevin run out and run into that house looking all afraid. So he grabs a snowshovel and follows him in and sees them catch Kevin, and he just bogs him on the back of the head with the snowshovel. Had already caught the cops and so like knocks them out, grabs Kevin. The police show up, they arrest the wet bandits, and Kevin survives the whole encounter. Ironically, Kevin was afraid. This was the neighborhood. Neighbor in the neighborhood that Kevin was afraid, Like everyone was like, oh, he's a murderer, Like oh, it was like the guy that was the scary guy in the neighborhood. Yeah, it'd be like if the bike lady saved me, she comes up on her bike and doesn't they have you ever seen police training with her bike and they did that they go back up, you know, like if the lady came I'm dying. You heard those videos from twenty twenty two or there's sorry protests and all of a sudden, these breaking bike squads were like, we're intimidating, and you're like, you're not intimidating. When you wear a bike out, you're gonna put away. Kevin spends the next day cleaning the house up, decorating for Christmas, and like gets it turned around just in time for his mom to show up. Wait, do the police not? Are the police not? Like? Where are your parents? Police are just like feel free to go home? Parents? Got the police, get the West the web bandits and they go, all right, thanks for your statement. Do you got somebody you can go or you can't say here? I mean you get you gonna go home tonight? Or all right in Chicago Fish to fry kid, Yeah, goes home and so his mom comes home, His mom comes home. The next day, his mom comes home the next day, he's sleeping upstairs. She gets home early in the morning. She goes, he's been a sleeping the whole time. Well, she gets in the house and the house is clean. The house, the Christmas decorations are up. They didn't even decorate for Christmas. They were so excited for this trip. He decorates her Christmas first Grinch to the house, and so he decorated. Like she wakes him up and he goes, it was a dream the whole time, and that Yeah, she gets there, she finds him. He tells her everything that happened, and like she goes, okay, She's like, all right, let's the we'll schedule doctor's appointment for this week and see what's going on in that man showed up. She's like, we're throwing away all the bend trill. And then just as like he's they're coming downstairs. He's telling her all about this. The front door opens and the rest of the family got home, Like they got on that two day flight. The flight that was two days later, and they got home like pretty much the same time as her. Yeah, and I mean for them, it was kind of just like a mistake, Like the family didn't like, there was no charges or anything against anyone in the family, but it is kind of like a man, you guys put your kid in a rough spot. Yeah, so like there was kind of a public like backpack of like yeah, like what you idiots? Yeah, because they, I mean, they really did put their kids in a rough spot. But he did catch the wet bandits, who was a pretty hairy problem for the town for a while. So wow. Yeah, this is the story of how Kevin McCallister saved Christmas. I guess I don't know how he did it. Well, he fiddled off those bandits. How he did it? Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, you can subscribe or watch some more episodes or some clips. But then I need to make this like twenty seconds. My producer said it has to be longer, so I'm just gonna keep talking for a little bit and is this long enough? Connor? Okay, cool? Yeah, thanks for being here.


The podcast tells the story of Kevin McCallister, a young boy who gets accidentally left behind when his family goes on a Christmas trip to France. While home alone, Kevin has to fend off two burglars called the “Wet Bandits,” who are trying to rob his house. Kevin sets up creative booby traps like heating doorknobs, putting ornaments by windows, … Read More

Harry Houdini – The Mysterious Life and Death

12-12-23

Episode Transcription

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Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Oh? Really have you? Oh? Sorry? No? Yeah, you could have been a bake bobber and a really good one. This next number is dedicated to a lot of children with cancer. It's a angel joke, which was the contortionistness, contortion, contortioning, contocity, contortionortionality, miscontortions, contortional things I learned last night. Yeah, yeah, Oh, we're gonna I here's what I want. I want this to be a story where you buried the lead on something and you lead me on Harry Houdini. But it's really about like some obscure guy who made the safe and like killed him. You know, well, I mean I guess there that kind of will happen technically, all right, what happened? What are we tiring? Here? Are we talking? Houdini? We're talking? Wi? Oh nice Harry. Oh anyway, I was gonna say, we could make a movie where it's like all these different people were conspiring to kill him. Yeah, it's a Whodini? Who done it? Who Done it? Yeah? That's good? Isn't that all right? Who done? Who? Who DEI done it? What if you put it together? It was just who who do need? Okay, so you were like, what did you put it together? It's just who done it? And then you had a panic. You were like, I mean I have a panic. That was the joke and you didn't acknowledge it. So I was like, well, yeah, it's the joke. Due, we'll just keep going. That's what I text. Who are you texting? You're supposed to leave your phones off the set. This is a no phone set. I don't have my phone on the set. We don't want anyone to know we used Apple products. Okay, go ahead. Have you seen Facebook's news glasses the ray Bands? No? What is it for scrolling when you're on the go. Yeah, they're they're like augmented reality glasses. They're ray Band brand. They're actually kind of cool. They have like they play your music, so they're like air bot, air PUDs, air air buds, airblods. Okay, they're like air buds. Sure, So they play music and you can answer your calls and talk through whatever right there. Okay, but then there is a little screen that like so you can it's augmented reality, so it doesn't like take over your whole display like you're supposed to like feed you weather and like feed you maps, Like while you're on Maps is supposed to show you the route and stuff on the street and then and it's free because the other lens is a Domino's pizza. I would do it. It's free, you know it? Yeah, I mean my whole my left eye, but let's be honest, have to do I use my left eye anyways. And I'm like, this is what this is what the pirates were, like, that's what the pirates had behind those patches. It was just freaking a buye to get four. And you're like, this is a very complicated way buy two gift for pain to express. And you're like, okay, have you seen that promotion, the gas station promotion in Chicago. This is a no phone zone anyway. As I was saying, tell you about this promotional, hold on, no, this is really good. Okay, hold on, I'm gonna find this. What are you doing? Are you texting me right now? No? I'm scrolling social media. No, this is gonna be where that I probably an open TikTok and see what the first video I got is. Let's see Okay, listen to this. You are a kidnapper. That's a good one. You're not a kidnapper. Did you see that? My boy? She just walked up to she walked up to a van and was like, you're not a kidnapper. My mom said people and vans were kidnappers. And he's like, no, not me. And he's like, I walked all the way over here to not kids. Take it. He's like, shot, shut up, get out of here, scram No, this is this I would have been if you hadn't said that you spiled My cover is obvious. Oh I like the idea that he's having the exoc crisis too. You're a kidnapper. Yes, yes, I'll prove to you. Don't tell a good kidnapping bit to start an episode. I love it. No, Okay, there's a Milwaukee, not Chicago. Okay, so the Milwaukee Bucks. They announced a promotion where if the Bucks scored ninety five points before the end of the third quarter, you can go to a Quick Trip and use your Quick Trip Rewards card to buy an eighteen, twenty four or thirty pack of michelob Ultra, and by doing so, you'll receive thirty cents off each gallon of gas. The kicker. The kicker is that there's not a quick trip within the city limits of Milwaukee. Oh yeah, it's like two hours outside the city. So if the Bucks do well, you can go buy a lot of beer and then get thirty cents off your gas essentially. Yeah, but I mean like they're basically paying your gas to get out to them, right, I mean, it's not very far out from Milwaukee. It's not like it's like I mean, it's in the suburbs. You got to go out into the sub but it's not like it's like they're in a different state. It'd be like, I mean, that's true. If the Chiefs win today, you get a free burger in and Out and you're like their closest one is Denver, Colorado. That's a different promotion. You see what I'm saying. It's not like a free burger. It's like it's like if the Chiefs win today. It's not even if they win and we'll pay for your gas. If the Chiefs get thirty five at least thirty five points, sure, then at in and Out, if you buy animal style fries, then we'll give you thirty cents off of merch at in and Out. Like, it isn't a ridiculous promotion. Like there's too many steps. There's too many steps. But I'm not gonna lie. I want to redeem them. You booked a Southwest flight to Milwa I'm on my right, I'm good. Okay. Last time I went to Milwaukee, I flew in the same night that the honor flight did, right, and so I where they take Yeah, yes, where they it's a it's a lot. Like it's a lot like you know when you're when you're a kid, if you sell enough in the in the fundraiser and they get you a limo to the pizza place. It's like that. But it's for World War Two veterans. And they fly them to the memorial. Oh no, do you not know about? Then it's a free flight where they take them to the memorial and then they all go that was my friend and then they and so they look at all the names and stuff. That's crazy they still do that. How many World War Two vets are there? Still? Not as many as there used to be. That's why it's a bigger deal when they do it. Yeah, but they do honor flights. Yeah, and well they do it for other wars too, now, like they do it like you know Vietnam. Yeah, there's I mean, there's always going to be and they can take them. They take the Vietnam vets now and they take them to the memorial and take them around d C and be like, this is what you fought for and whatever for. Well, anyway, I flew home at the same time, and so I get off the plane and like freaking. The high school band is they're going judg you know. So it's like freaking, but like there's people, but there's also a group of protesters. For some reason, they let them in the airport. Don't they go through security? No? No, no, no, Like they're waiting right outside. Yeah, and I hear it. I get off the planet ice here echoing down the halls. What is going on out and they're like cheering but not for me. Yeah, you know, I'm working around like which normally happens for you when you get off plane, that does. And that's what I was resenting about it. I was like, just like, I hate you're giving this to those olds back then, none of these guys Amazon Prime Comedy special. Yeah yeah, anyway, No, I was that today. Actually, I was thinking about that day, the forward marching of time and how it just doesn't stop, and how stressful it is because on time off, on time off, there came a picture from your promo shoot at the Galoys five years ago today. Yeah, who years? Holy cow? Yeah, that's I know. I was thinking that tool. That's what COVID did. COVID was a blob of time that didn't exist. Yeah, but still like two months and seven years. Yeah, it's stole our twenties, it did. It did want for the twenties you fuck got a freaking again. No, but did I mean like we were we were twenty four when COVID started. Jeez, No, we were twenty twenty. We were twenty five, No, twenty six. I had just turned twenty six. You hadn't even turned twenty six at your birthday was in COVID, you're right, yeah, and then when it was over, we were twenty eight around we were twenty eight, and then freaking you didn't work at a church anymore, you barely believe in God, and we made it through. You know what I'm saying, Like it was so it's like seven years of time passed in also what felt like two months. So I mean, like it doesn't That's what I'm saying, you know, I filmed the special five years ago. I was like, shoot, I haven't filmed the new special in five years. I need to put a new one out. Yeah, so crazy because I did my first one twenty fourteen, did my second one twenty fifteen, and I did my third one twenty eighteen, and yeah, I was like, shoot, I need to get a new special. I mean I did a dry bar but then kind of counts. Okay. So Harry Hudini he was born in eighteen seventy four as Eric Weiss, but Eric is changed that name. Yeah, it's pronounced eric, he didn't change it, So we'll get to that. He was born in Hungary and him and his family when he was a youth, arrived to the United States in eighteen seventy eight. So he was you do you you know, like four years old, okay, and when he was on Ellis Island, the I guess this was something that they did back then. The Americans at the immigration office were like, yeah, your names, you're not going to work here. Oh yeah they did, yeah, and so call you Wece no yeah, yeah, so they actually anybody got any crazy ideas for this name? Writ in that damn here's somebody. I'm gonna start with H and D. I'm gonna go dog for a last name. We can't call him hot boy. What's the next closest thing, Beanie. No, you gotta change the turn the turn the be around, turn the be around. Dean. Wow, that that's a that's a strong name. Kid. Welcome to America, you know. And he didn't speak a lick of English, had no idea what just happened? Yeah, yah, yeah, And everybody just came hungry and they were like, here's food. No, no, no, hungry and uh so they stamped his hand. They told him, don't wash your hands. If that ever washes off, we have to kick you out of there. An m in permanent marker on his hand for minor that'll wash off when you turn eighteen. There you go. It's magic Marter speaking of magic. Uh he didn't have a lot of that in his early life. It was four. He came out of the roomb like that was my first trick. I was in there the whole time. That was my first escape. We're doing a lot more of these, just you for my next trick. This next number is dedicated to a lot of children with cancer. It's a Chris Angel joke. It's a Chris Angel joke. Don't write that Angel does that. Chris Angel does that if you don't know. Yeah, gives kids cancer for the next trick anyway. Yeah, so then he uh so, his family came to the country expecting a better life and then didn't really find it. Yeah. His dad as a minister, so that didn't pay well, and his mom didn't work, and so him and his brothers, as soon as they were able, all started working. Okay, and his brothers found normal jobs like working in factories and grocery stores. He he became a contortionist. Yeah. And so he's like six years old and he is on stage somewhere a six year old like what Yeah, so they called him, uh Eric the Prince, okay, and so he would just roll up on stage and be like, look at that kid, a weird kid. I'll get you ten dollars, like that's just what it was. But he got pretty like good in New York. Yeah, he's in New York contortioning, and he got into acrobatics and started doing like actual like sharpees and things like that, and that's when things kind of blew up for him. Nine to what's the situation. It's six year old ends up just being like, you know, how do you you fall into that kind of line of work? Yeah, I don't know how you fall into that. Like or it's like his his siblings come home from the grocery store and they're like a long day at the shop, mom and dad. He'd be quiet, he's resting up before he goes. He's stretching contortions, he's getting ready to he's gonna go contort over on the south side. Well, they were all going to work one morning and he kind of separated from the group, walked up with his van and he's like, you're not a kidnapper, was like, hey, roll up at a ball real quick. Hey you other than that kid that disappeared in a swamp, get over here. Took him. Uh so yeah, so he uh uh. He got into acrobatics, started doing like trapeze work and stuff like that, and they added on his name. He became Eric the Prince of the Air, and started becoming like, uh had a not famous but had a successful New York show and so like he was pretty much the bread winner for the family. All the other siblings. Quick they started motion off of him. Time he's up there contorting, one of them was doing TikTok dances on the other side and being like freaking or like, we freaking hate this guy. Everybody hated his wife until she became friends with that one singer. Yeah. Everyone, well, I mean hate on her because she cheers on her husband. Oh my gosh, yeah I get it. Yeah, so the same exact scenario. He also was like a cross country runner, but not like across the country, just cross countries. I understand how those it works, just making sure. Yeah, and so you know whatever. In high school he started getting pretty interested into magic, and he found a guy named after the name of Robert Houdin, who was a magician in the eighteen hundreds. Uh read his autobiography and was just captivated by the idea of magic. And so he starts getting really into uh slider hand and stuff. Yeah, slide of hand, close up magic card tricks like that and really yeah, a little bit worth while. Well here's the deal, what did you really was your shoe right now? Hold on? I don't know. Took me way too long. I was like, hold on, we can cut that, we can just cut it together to make it smooth. Yea, we could do that foot back in here. Nice, let's face in the road way. It feels weird. Nice. There you go. So he got into uh, close up magic, and then he got into picking locks, which I don't know if it was related to the magic thing. It kind of seems like he was just like, I wonder if I could do that, and he started picking locks. And there's one biographer was like, there was a moment where his career could have gone either way. Say he's got he's got like he's got one in the red. Yeah, he's like, I'm Harry Houdini, the the lifelong magician and illusionist, or Harry Houdini criminal, Harry criminal. Yeah, he could have been a bank robber, and a really good one. Like, because here's the deal. I mean, I don't know. If you know a lot about Harry you're listening to this episodes, you're about to learn. But one of the things spoiler alert, he gets really good at escape magic, and like one of his things is breaking out of straight jackets and handcuffs and things like that. I think if he was arrested in jail, he would have made it out. Oh yeah, So he had a moment where it was like he could he could pursue a life of crime. He could become a bank robber picking locks of safes and then yeah, but he wanted a taste of the glory, which I mean there's glory, fame. Yeah. How many bank robbers do you know? Uh, Bunny and Clyde, great team. Oh yeah, so that's two right there. There you go, that's a double let's see uh dB twober Okay? Successful? Uh successful for a time, Like I mean that's the thing, Like everybody loses games every once in a while, you know, like you gotta have losses on your record. What's unfortunate is that the police don't let him go out for another like they like they catch them and then they put them away for life, you know, like give another shot to see if they could do it without getting cam Like, let's see if they can get away. Not a lot of trial and the trial and error is what you're saying, yeah, or wrong kind of trial? I guess yeah you so, Okay, So he decides to not be a criminal. Yeah, he decides to not be a criminal, and so he becomes a magician and he starts starts out doing out of like a deep sense of like I want to do the right thing, or just like I think he was just more interested in I think I think it was kind of an opportunity for him to kind of put together some of his skills, which was the contortionistness, condortion contortioning, contortionity, contortion etortionality, contortionality, miscontortionalitcontortionality. Thank you. He can put that skill to work, He could put his lockpicking to work, and he could do the close up magic, and he kind of like he was obsessed with this Robert Houdin guy, like, Yeah, it was like an idol to him. And so he's like he's like, I want to do him proud. I want to I want to be able to rise to the level he was at. And I think he did too because from a young age he was doing like he was performing, and so I think he loved that like rush of like being in front of the crowd and feeding off their energy and all that that the glory, you know. Yeah, Yeah, he loved coming off of an airplane and having everybody in the airport. Yeah, It's it's something you can't you can't, you know, you can't. You have to experience it. For yourself. There's no way to prepare yourself for that. Yeah, there's nothing else that compares, not even bank robbery. So him and his brother sidebar. His older brother's dead now, so that's a fast forward in the story. His oldest brother died tuberculosis Christmas Eve. It was really sad his younger brother dashed though, But that Dash wasn't his birth name. That was his United States. That's the country game. There's like, you got a kid running around. Yeah, the kid's too quick dash. Yeah, well you've got Donner and that works that. This episode comes out in December, right, it does, it does? Yeah, all right, that's a good time a little bit. Yeah. So no, his name was Theodore. The state gave him the name Theodore. But uh, they decided when they became magicians, they were like Eric and Theodore Weiss, not magical names, and so they decided they needed to come up with magic names. So Eric said, I'll go by Harry because a couple. I'll go by Harry because uh, well you know, well you went by Harry because mustache. His family called him Airy, which was sure for Eric no short for Eric, Okay, And so his family called him airy yeah, because too too long. It's too long of a name. Every time I say Eric, I go, god, shoot, how am I supposed to get to the end of that? If you did air, that's one thing you did airy, You're like, you're good there, you're done. You're so just do the that's it, and that's the name. I don't get that. My dad used to do that to my brother. My brother's name is Josh, and he would go Jah, because he was like, he's like, you can't hear this. It's it's it's like it's too quiet, you can't even hear it. So why am I saying it? And wait? Your dad was just like I don't want to say it. Just say it. He goes, no, I don't want to He only did it, all right, jo. He never did it like in a face to face conversation. It was like if he was calling him from across the house, You're like, hey, Jah, like because he was like, he's like, he's not going to hear this. Like you can't yelsh, Yes, yes you can. Librarians famously yell it. It's like they're a whole thing. Yeah. There was debates in our household about that for years. All right, anyway, let's go to Okay, whatever you can't yell him? M is not a yellow said? You didn't hear it from this far apart? Why would I say it across the road? See it's not yellow. It's not a yellow M. It's not a yellole. Librarians yell that one a lot too. What does that mean? Are you waterboarding a librarian? What is that? What's the bit? I don't get it. I don't either. I think that's kind of the glory of it, Like you don't know, like you couldn't do it. You're enjoying it, and you're enjoying tillan you've been around for a little bit. I want to invite you to be a part of our patreon. We have a Patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our host and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out, we get to know each other, we eat pizza. It's a blast. Along with a bunch of other benefits like merch discounts, message on your birthday, like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, they get that heck out of here. Just kidding, No, we love you. Thanks for checking out podcasts. How do they how do they get it? Though? I realized I forgot to put a C T A in mind. Oh yeah, they can text Tillan to six six eight sixty six. Thanks jaring. So Harry and his brother Harry, Harry and his brother, or I should say Eric and THEO. They're like, we need we need our magic Theodore. Yeah, yeah, THEO. That makes sense. THEO following his brother's footsteps and got into magic. By the way, they've been doing it together for years, and they decided to put together Harry and well it's Eric and THEO. But they're like, we need better names. And so Harry or Eric says, hey, I'm a big fan of this Robert Houdan guy. And he thought that Houdan, uh like if in what I think Houdan was French, Yes, And so he thought Houdine in French, if you put an eye at the end of a letter, it meant like respect. It doesn't. He was wrong, but he thought and so he was like, he's like, I want to be Hoodini because it's me showing respect to Houdine. But I think it actually, I think it actually means like serves or like you're they're your master. So it's kind of similar, I guess a similar idea. And then he took his abbreviation airy and just made it in the literation Harry Harry and Harry Houdini. Well, I mean, I don't know, I don't hear a difference. You can't hear the stupid You can't yell that letter. I very yell at all the time. They're like three most favorites yells sh I don't know why THEO chose Dash. He just did, Okay, And so they started calling themselves Harry and Dash the brothers Hudini was what they went by. And they went to the Chicago's World Fair and eighteen ninety three and bowed down to the Great Tartaria for a little while. Yeah, and then they started working magic shows together. Uh, and Dash was kind of like Harry's assistant like everything that, Like I don't think this was a thing in this era, like assistant, like magic assistance. But everything you think of a magic assistant today, like that was who Dash was for Harry. Yeah, he even wore he even wore like a really revealing outfit, so provoked, so tight. And so they did this show for a year and they actually found like decent best answer. But he did it, you know, for his brother, for his brother. Yeah, he just believed. So they for about a year they had this show, The Chicargos the World for then went back to New York. They had the show in New York and it was a successful New York show. Again, not world famous, nothing super special, but a successful New York show and they were making decent money doing it. They met another performer in New York by the name of Okay, will Helmina Beatrice best Runner. Oh, she went by Best for short. Yeah. Dash and her started dating. Oh they and that's how Houdini or Harry met bess Is through her his brother Dash. Upon meeting each other, they immediately decided to date each other instead. So Best left Dash and and just a few months later, uh, they decided that the show would be better if Best was his assistant instead of Dash as well. So it's dude, Okay, So imagine that scenario, right, So your girlfriend chooses your brother over over you, and then your brother chooses her over you. You just got rejected by two people who chose each other over you. You and in two totally different ways. Yeah, that doesn't feel brutal. That's pretty brutal. Yeah, And so they I get why he made that safe now. So they they started performing together for the next like five years, and then they had their big break in eighteen ninety nine, okay, and they got put on a show in Saint Paul, Minnesota, and a guy by the name of Minnesota. They were traveling like internationally doing this. I mean, that's not okay, it's so far away. That's your joke. I get it. That's I mean, it's a cross country almost. I hear he ran the whole trip. But I mean, like, you know why they went out there too. They went out to the Saint Paul, Minnesota because they had just used to score thirty five points that weekend and they were like, we gotta go on to Minnesota. They met a theatrical performing manager by the name of Martin Beck who saw him do a one of his handcuff acts handcuff escape tricks. And was like, well, boy, I think that'll sail. It's so crazy how how magicians went from very respected and like we got to get these guys, all of us, to you know what they do now, or it's just like they come to school assemblies and they're like, oh, I'm all tied up, I can't get out. Wait you know, yeah, you fix that. You know. It's just like a little pulling this thing for me real quick. Yeah. Well, because we figured it out, you know, we figured out back then we were like here's a witch. Yeah, because well here's the thing with even Hoi Houdini's early escape tricks. He would do behind a curtain because it was like, hey, I'll put myself with these cuffs up, come out without him and you'll be amazed. And people were they were like, oh my gosh, how do you do that? And so he had a key. But then uh Dash when they were performing together, was like, hey, I think this will do better if you do it in front of them, like let him watch you struggle. And he was like really you think so, and he's like yeah, they struggle. They tried it and it was like a hit. People were like, holy god, what was that we saw? The whole thing. We've never seen the whole thing before. That's interesting, okay, yeah, and then uh and then I guess and all the guys that were actually using keys were like, what the heck dude, now they like put up the curtain in the crowds, like, let us watch you know, I don't want to see it. I want to see it in my own eyes. These people keep yelling unyellable letters at me. You're not supposed to yell those letters, crowd. It's just like a weird like, hum, oh, that's pretty weird. It's the weirdest thing ever, you know, if you're going to do them all for you at the same time, that's like a terrannosaurs reck sounded like, try it, try it, try it. There are four people in their cars right now listening to this podcast who just went and you're stupid. That's so funny that you did that, you idiot. So they went on tour and and it blew up. Yeah, crushed. And around this time something interesting happened. Him and Dash developed this public feud, Yes, public feud. Yeah, and Dash started going by Dash Houdin spelled h o U d e e N and he would go wherever Harry went, he would play another theater in town, so like usually a slightly smaller theater, but he would play another theater in town and just away from it. Well, some historians have asked some questions about this, and they said, knowing Harry and knowing because one of the biggest things he's famous for now is his work as a publicist, which we'll get into in a second about some of the things he did. But he knew how to draw a crowd, and he knew how to stir up excitement for his show. Sure, And so I think there's there's a whole camp of historians who believe that there was never a real feud between him and Dash, that it was all made up to create this polarization and in one end, create two separate fan groups that were like devoted to the two sides. But in the other end, like they recognized that Harry was going to go do a show at the theater and sell it out, and there'd be people who couldn't make it, or there'd be people who would see Houdine and think, oh, that's Houdini and just buy tickets to the other show. And so it opened them up to a whole other audience and allowed them to kind of double dip a show every night. Okay, so I freaking hate you for what you know, what you did. But yeah, yeah, it's all it's all the Yeah, it's the way I yell. Yeah, I'm going to start. I'm gonna start following you. I'm going to follow the Smoking Hot Life Tour and I'm gonna do another show. I'm gonna follow to Berlin, Maryland on February second. You can go to the Smoking Hot Life Tour. You can come to My Smoking Hot Wife and it's just you and Bree. Now it's just me and I do both of your sets. I do your sets for Batim, both of you. Well, even Shama set is going to be pretty awkward for you to do. It's a lot about race, and so it's it's quite a bit about having a white wife, you know. So I mean, like I do have a white wife, those jokes will work for you. I mean, I guess if you go out there and you're like my white wife, you know, like freaking' I don't think the set's gonna work the same. I love this idea, but I'll wear I'll wear his suit and then I'll change into some weird hype beast thing that I got from hype beast? Is that what you think I'm wearing. No, it's like it's like it's like if it's like if uh here, here's uh It's like if a youth pastor mm hmm liked the hype piece style that all of his students dressed in but shopped at J C. Penny. That's what I wear. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean this is a little different because this is merch that you got from a church. If you're wearing church merch, you lean a little bit more. What do you think my style has been lately? It's church merch or old Maybe this is what it always is. No, it's gotten so much better. Okay, okay, I'm glad. I live in La Now, I'm glad. I'm glad. It's been so long as I've seen you. I'm so glad. Oh gosh, these past few weeks have been a dream. Don't don't at the same time as me. Sorry, do it again? Practicing the show m Leave Me Alone, The Smoking Life Tour, so Houdini and Best they got married, married, Stitch fixed, Thank you very much. I was trying to remember what that was called. Yeah, I knew you were one of those those package people comes in a box. Yeah, I keep it prepackaged clothes. Yeah. Okay, do you ever see you make your own? Yeah, make all my own clothes. This was my own design. Cool. So him and his wife they got married. They got married really fast. I think it was like a month into dating. They were like, we're just gonna get married in best Yeah, him in best. And they had a weird relationship. They had a relationship. It was more like a you know, brother and sister in law kind of relationship. No, it was how longer Best and Dash date? Like a week? It was very different, you know, But how would you feel It's still like it's still like Thanksgiving is weird? Yeah, because you're like you're like, hey, I want to introduce this new girl I've been talking to. And then they get married a month later, Like that's pretty rough, Like, oh man, yeah, still probably the best man though, I guess. Uh so. So they had a weird relationship. He he was obsessed with her and he would write her letters, all love letters all the time. And he actually would write her love letters. Well, they're sitting in the same room. Like he would stop and write her a lot and text each other at dinner all the time, and it's like talk to each other. Hey, you guys, use your mouth. You can do this in real life, right, You guys can just look up and go just say stuff. Yeah, we can make words. I saw this TikTok yesterday. This guy. Okay, this guy was talking about how every animal communicates the same like they all speak the same language. And he showed this. He showed he had this Adobe audition file open with all the animals in a project next to each other, and then he had an it would slow down, so it was like he would play the sound from a pack of birds and then he would slow it down and be like, that's a group of puppies. And then he'd play a group of puppies and he'd like slow it down, and he'd be like, that's a humpback whale. And it did sound pretty similar. It was kind of convincing. But his whole point was like all every animal communicates in the same language. It's all just vibrations, it's all just frequency, and it's like, do you that's what sounds is like we speak that language. It's just yeah, we keep going vibrar. Yeah, dude, I mean like we all speak the same l language. Man, it's just vibes. Where vibe from the vibrations that vibes, Yes, from what you stupid? Sorry? Are you stupid? From you can't yell the word letter? You can't yell that? Stupid idiots stupid? Do you start to commence such a mess? All right? Keep going? Uh? So the whales speak the same language. So they had a relationship. They write letters to each They write letters to each other, and he wrote letters for like thirty years to her of the updates on what their son was doing. They never had a son. He eventually became the president. I always you're saying, my letter, Thomas is hungry, and then she just goes feed Thomas right back. We don't have letters. He wrote her letters, and he'd be like, he'd be like, my dearest best our son today is gone off to college Harvard's. And he just thinks she's gonna list. He's like, she said, I'm Beth, and he goes, hi, Bess. Now she's got a list, and she never has the heart to correct him. Beth. That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to be trying to sensitive. You're sorry to your fift away, then I'm trying to this sucks. That's going apartment. Oh did he and Beth go on tour? Okay? And they go off to Europe. Yeah, they've been pretty successful in the US at this point. They're torn around, they're doing shows, they're selling out. Who Dean is following them everywhere they go, and he's doing some pretty major escape art stuff. And what he does is he'll have a show and he'll do like some street performance before the show, but he always does it in like a grand fashion, his street performance, So he'll go to the theater and then right before the show, he'll walk out and set a brick on the street and then walk back in and everyone's like, I wonder what that's about. And then they try to go in and see the show. That's a callback. I was here. I was just trying to get on. I was trying to get over this episode. I don't want to do this anymore. I wish I could disappear right now. So they went to Europe. They went to Europe, and they they they knew that they were pretty big in the States and they could have a chance of success in Europe. But yeah, well they are now they go to Europe, and so they were like, we got to do something big to kind of get the eyes of the country. So he decides he's going to jump off a bridge with handcuffs on and underwater, pull himself out the handcuffs and swim up and then be like, Hey, come to my show tonight. Oh, this is the PM. This is the show. Yeah, this is the show. Yeah. So he's got to show out at the wow okay, And so he walks out to a bridge and he says, hey, everybody, I'm gonna jump off this bridge. And he puts handcuffs on, and everyone's like, don't do this, and he jumps and everybody watches and he's underwater and he uncuffed himself underwater and something he did. He was but the current has carried him so far from the bridge that he then comes up under a different bridge, has no idea. The people on that bridge are like, oh my god, on the river on the on the first bridge, or like he just died. The people at the first bridge are looking way out into distance, like, hey, guys, I think I see a dolphin over there peeking up out of the water. Is that a turtle? The man overboard. I don't think they have magnifying glasses yet. Oh those are binoculous their hands. This is what people did to focus in. Yeah, it kind of works. It does work a little bit, so they So he does this, this publicity stunt, and back to his preparation. He would prepare, he would put his handcuffs on, he would get in the bath, he would set up a cold bath. This part of his morning would here, you know, part of his hustle, culture, grindset morning. I get in a cold bath and I can't get out till you take these handcuffs off. And so he would lay in the cold bath and he would hold his breath and try to stay under the cold water as long as he could. And he got really good at this, and so a lot of a lot of times in the morning he would lay under this cold bath, like for three and a half minutes, just not holding his breath. Yeah, and so he got really good at holding his breath. And so, but he was better at escaping from handcuffs. And so with this handcuff trick, he could escape from the handcuffs in a matter of seconds, like ten fifteen seconds, he could get out of it. Yeah, And so he fell into this water from the bridge and he got out. I'm almost down there. Yeah for three minutes, just chilling to attract people. Yeah, and then soon yeah. And then eventually when he just yeah, he swam up and everyone's like, oh my gosh, how was he st alive? And they're like, they're like, give me to sell me your tickets right now, I want to come see you. Well, they're all soaking wet, and he's like selling just soggy tickets, the wet, sopping, wet tickets, sop and wet life to did you say tickets are kiss? I can't tell. Oh, sloppy wet got it? Okay. I was like, what are you talking about now? Okay? So this tour goes really well. Sure, oh that's our next tour name, by the way, sloppy white Kiss, sloppy wet Kiss tour. That's pretty funny. So they they the merch is weird. We hose it down before the show. Why is this wet? Why does the writers say you guys need to eight foot tables, four volunteers and a hose. You'll find out. See on February second in Berlin, Maryland. Tickets are still on sale. I'm also selling tickets. Jim's selling his tickets to his tour down the road. We're double dipping, folks, double dip baby, but we're so mad about it. I hate it. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this and you want more of our show, We've got plenty of other episodes. One of my favorites is Action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers and they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey. It was a wild story. But we did a whole episode about it, and I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. So, the this tour goes super well. The country realizes it, and by the country, I mean the whole continent of Europe realizes and they're excited. This is so much so that a conspiracy theory was born that he was a spy for the United Kingdom. That I went over there, the Crown realized, Hey, this guy he can escape anything, so if he gets caught, he can escape. He's also very sneaky. He's also small, He's like five foot tall. He's like five foot two. Okay, that's was four seven, which is why they fell in love. I think, Oh they're close, No, because he was tall around her. How tall was his brother? His brother was normal size. Here's him and his brother. Actually, so his brother dwarfed him. Which one's him? Well, whodined's the one in the front? I know, I was joking. Yeah, Dash is literally twice his size. I mean, this is probably a little bit deceiving of a photo based on the way they're sitting. But huh. Here's here's who DENI with best and his mother. Which one's best? The one on the well, I mean it's his left, his left. Yeah, he was actually the caregiver for George Washington. That's pretty crazy. So yeah, big big fan of his mom, big fan of his wife, very publicly publicly, big fan of them both. I don't know what that means, all right too? Yeah, weird updated or updated her on his son? You have a grandchild. Why haven't I met him? He's busy, He's thet busy. He's so busy. Travel ball you have bet monthating Jigger Tree was a big deal. So they they go on this tour and the conspiracy is born that they are he's a spy because he was. He was sneaky, he was little, He could escape from traps, and he had the public persona large enough that no one would ever expect it. He could go perform for presidents and kings and things like that in the royal court. And then while he's there, snoop around in their drawers, see if they got anything sneaky hidden in there, and then get out. No one's ever gonna catch you. Okay, he's so that is allegedly not true. Allegedly, we don't know it. Sure could have been a spy, could have been a spy. There's one historian who says he could have never kept that secret because he was kind of a braggadocious dude. That's not the word. He is super. But I do say my friend Harry Houdini, than he is in fact quite quite bragged do braggado. So they go on, they go on this European tour. They come back, their their world stars. They're traveling all over the world. Yeah, they are at a point now where they're making In the nineteen tens and nineteen twenties, they're making five thousand dollars a week in that day's money seventy thousand dollars a day a week today. So they're rolling in the dough kind of close to what I make. So they do this tour, they do these tours. They're getting make way more after I do this thing in the river this weekend. If you think that was funny, gone to my stand up set because it was funny. You called a fake nine to one. It's like it's like DJ Miller calling in a bomb threat to a train. It's just you guys talk about now you can all press is good breast press is good press. So they he he is continually doing this thing where he wants to be the top. He wants to be someone that no one could ever imitate there by Now there's tons of imitators that are going by names eerily similar, creepily similar to Haidini. The biggest one was Boudini, and that's not a joke. Was his biggest competitor, and he just did the same trick, like, tried to fake Houdini's tricks. So Houdini was consistently trying to one up himself so that way he could stay all all these all the copycats, and there are repetitive journal entries in his journal through the twenties where he took notes saying things along the lines of body can't handle this, need to find something else. Great because he was himself very hard to the limit. Yeah, and he getting older. Speaking of getting older, he was really big on anti aging. I'm trying to find anti aging solutions, okay. And that guy on TikTok. You like that guy on TikTok that looks like a fifty year old yes, and claims that he's not. Yes, Yeah, spending a lot of money to not be fifty, but he looks straight up just like a rich fifty year old guy. He was doing the same thing, except except as the nineteen twenties, and so we haven't figured stuff out as well yet. And this might sound familiar to you, but he became close friends with someone who was working on an experimental monkey gland surgery that was a little bit more pronounced than our friend who did the goat gland surgeries. Okay. This guy was actually sewing them together like sewing, like attaching things, okay. And it was supposed to make you young again. And he was very close to going through with it with this surgery. He did it for another reason we'll get into for a second in a second. But yeah, so he got really into anti aging stuff. Also he got into Hollywood. He said, I'm famous now, so let me make movies, and so he started making some movies, and so he produced his first film. In his first film he produced on night trite film, and this I think it was called Houdini The Master of Mystery. His first film was filmed on nitrite film and it was actually a big hit. But night write is super flammable, and so all of the film that we had burnt up or something disappeared. Oh so we lost track of it somehow until the twenty fifteen when someone tracked down an old night Trite film reel of it and converted the film and played it on Turner Classic Movies for like the special event. And it wasn't good. It sucked. I actually don't know that, but it sucked. Didn't have a good story plot. Yeah, they just didn't really go anywhere. Yeah, it's just it's just Houdini standing in front of the camera going It's all about family for like forty minutes. I don't get it. No, it was lost for almost one hundred years they thought that this was just completely lost media, we would never get our hands on it again. But somehow turn Classic Movies tracked it down and converted it, which was a little sketchy to me. I'm not gonna lie, but whatever, he produced another movie that was basically they they might have faked it. They might have very well matter feked it, but it was it was. It was interesting because in that in that movie, there was a plane scene. It was like a dogfight, okay, and Houdini allegedly was hanging from the plane. In this dogfight. They the two planes crashed together and production it was like a tragic event, but they got it all on camera and they put it in the movie. They were like, that's interredible shot. It wasn't actually Hoodini hanging from the plane. It was a stunt double, but they sole that like it was him and he survived the crash. I don't know what happened to the sun Dove. We don't know. Probably probably didn't it, honestly, Yeah, but that scene was in the movie, which in twenty fifteen, they could have faked that. It would have been pretty easy. In twenty fifteen, if they faked this whole movie to fake a plane crash and with CGI they might have segi the whole thing because then they just black and whited it. Yeah. Anyways, so he produced another movie, and then him and his brother they put together an actual likenduction. Yeah, him and Dashed they put together together. Yeah, and they created an actual production company and called Dolorean Media Company. We still going. Yeah, they put together an actual media company and they started. They produced two movies and they both horrendously flopped at the box office. Oh and they sold the media company off to a new company called ba Rolf Productions and wash their hands of that experiment. Okay, So he then moves on to becoming a magician. No. He he went on to add to his show a spiritualist debunker segment where he would and he got very passionate about this, like what very spiritualists. So his whole thing was he hated mediums and sciences, Yeah, because he felt like they were taking advantage of people, because a lot of them were like, Hey, come talk to your dead dad and then come get in my mini van and drive around Kansas City and I'll take you to see some ghosts. Yep, exactly, I'm not gonna lie I wish we did that this year, but uh, he had four hours. He had a big problem with it, and so he he had a whole segment is show where he kind of kind of like Darren Brown's pretty much any of Darren Brown's stuff, Like he made it like this is a seance and like we're going to communicate with the dead, and then he at the end like pulled the curtain back and was like, I'm lying to you about all this, and here's how I did it, Like was his whole show. Sure, And so he actually had a whole team of people that were like detectives that he would send around the country that would go to these events with these seances so they could learn how they were doing it. And then he would add those segments to show if anybody ever did something different. What are you doing for work? I'm an independent contractor for Harry Houdini. Well I just went to a Boudini show. No no, and actually, if you tell me where he was, I'm supposed to kill him. I'm going to go fight him. Speaking of fighting, So he's doing this throughout the twenties, he's becoming very very successful with his show. He's now got kind of like a three segment show where it's magic Escape Act and then this spiritualist debunker Yeah, and then so it's like a magic Escape Act and then sponsor a child and then do Yeah, and then Newsboys closes it out. Okay, so it was the first ones though, the original cast, the Newsboys original the movie. No. I'm saying, like, because you know that none of the people in Newsboys are the original people from Newsboys. Oh wait, you're talking about the band. We talking about the band. We talked about the theater production. That's the news E's you cultured swine? So are you freaking? They're not the same thing, the Newsboys. It was a good joke about Winter Jam the Newsz's Yeah stage production Broadway classic. I know that I was thinking the same name. The movie version, Christian Bale plays it shut up? Does he really? Yeah? I did not realize that he hits it, and he hits the note at the end. He's very good. Don't come after my Broadway musicals. Okay, I'm not coming after your Broadway musicals. It's fine. You like those things. It's okay. You're allowed to like something. And The Newsboys was the competing musical down the Road from the news E's it was all the actually really counting on people thinking that they're going to see the newsies. They come with their little opera glasses and everything, and they show up and the drum kids like freaking sideways, and I was like, this is not what I They're going to serve breakfast in hell? Whoa Anyway, So he's they're doing this show, uh and into fighting. Well it's it's very successful. He's obviously training his body to the limits. He's fifty two years old. It's nineteen twenty six. He's fifty two years old, and a couple of college kids came to one of the show. They're at the Meet and Great afterwards, and the college kid asked him. He was like, He's like hey, He's like, is it true that you can withstand a punch stomach? And he was like yeah, And the kid took it as an invite to punch him in the stomach. So he punches him four times just a He's like, He's like, that sucked. That's not what I expected you to do at all. No, So later that evening he realizes he's got some pretty sharp pain in his stomach, and the next day he still feels it. He's got a show in a couple of days. They're on tour. He's going to the next show. So he stops at a hospital in Detroit and they say, hey, yeah, you have appendicitis. He ruptured his appendix. Yeah, the kid kid punched his appendix and raptured his appendix, and so they told him, we need to take this out, and he said, I got a show tonight, I'll come back after. And so he goes and he does his show with appendicitis, with appendicitis, and in the middle of his show, he's doing one of his escape backs. He's trying to escape from some hancuffs. He just collapses and dies because he has a ruptured appendix. Ah, and uh, they I thought he died in a river. He didn't die in a river. I believe it was one of his underwater escape acts. Oh, so he was like in the water trying to escape and then as appendix killed him. That's what I'm saying. I thought he died in water. I don't think it was in the river either way. Died in the middle of a performance and they pull him out. They took him. They put him in this coffin that he had built for his show, and this coffin kind of disappointing because this coffin was disappointed because a fake bottom of it. So like they started carrying him out and they're like, this was not the real deal. It's not part of the show. Went after death, he's still escaping. He'd been working on this buried alive skit, and so there was one where he actually legitimately got buried six feet underground, like under real soil and dirt, and he dug his way out almost didn't make it, like he said, he was very close to dying in that in that event. So then they created a new one where he would be buried alive in a coffin instead and just see how long he could survive under under the dirt. I guess. I don't how would he communicate that he once out at a bell or something. I don't know. I don't want to do too much dirt on me right now. And that was what the the coffin was for, was for that segment in the show. But they said, luckily we've got his coffin here for this dead guy. Ladies and gentlemen, I know a lot of you have questions, but for now Kevin Hart what he died, but they got they got so much show, someone else has to come out and finish it. He's the opener of this show. Killed to die in the open. This guy dies, right, is taller than him. That's why I took him out on tour. Short guy. It's smoking, smoking, not tall tour. So anyway, it's so he dies. So he dies. Here's the thing though, it's not over yet. So he told his wife, he said, he said, Beth, if I ever die, I have this secret code for you, and it is He whispered it to her, so she would only know the code. And so he said, when I die, whisper that too many No, he said, when I die, he said, do a seance, and if seances are real, I'll communicate with you from the dead that secret code. And so then to this day, October thirty first, every year there's a seance held in New York to try to communicate to Houdini. This is so stupid. He's never done it. He's never communicated. The code was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not that's not they did that. They did it for forty years. She would call him, and then finally she's like elderly and is not real and so she she said, the code was macaroni cheese. The code is macaroni Jesus. No, the code was macaroni grill. The code was macaroni grill. Be sure to drink your own shoot. He gotta collect the bank on the way out. Dude, can't leave your family starving. No, they did it for forty years. They were at New York. They were on the rooftop of some hotel in New York doing the seance on Halloween, and it was televised. They televised it for every year. And she that's why people don't trigger tree anymore. For Christmas. I just want to hear the crude and I just wanna hear you say it one more time. It's after an hour long, say odds Best stands up and she says, he's dead. He's not talking to us, like it's not gonna work out. When this happened. When this happens, allegedly, the storm rolls over Manhattan and there was a massive lightning storm, but it was only there over that specific area of the hotel, like a couple of blocks was a storm, and everyone said that was who Dini's code was the storm. But did she reveal She didn't. She never revealed it. What's what I'm saying, here's what it could be. Right, So let's say because she's not dumb, all right, She's like, shoot, now I have no way of making a living. My husband just died on stage. Yeah, the guy. All I did was sneak him the keys. So she goes the press and she goes, hold on, he's not dead. He's alive. He's alive, and he and every one of us. But he told me a secret code word. Well, I mean for real though, she could go every October thirty. This could be her play though. Where she goes, he's got a sco code word. He wants me to see if stances are real. So let's every year, let's do this. I'll sell tickets. Yeah, she makes enough money to make it. So then two years in, right, she hears the code word, and she now, two years in making money from this event has gone. I didn't hear it. I try next year. And then when she's like ninety, yeah, she's just like, ah, I guess we'll give up. She's getting emails on her family computer about their son and it's asking her if she prays, do you pray for our child? And she's like, there was never a kid. We never had a kid. He's president of the United States. He's like, I no, but it's fun to pretend I lost all my inheritance in his name. Why did you do that? Why you say he's not real? Okay, Yeah, so that's the life of Harry Houdini. He was a great magician. You don't know what escape artist. We don't know. Yeah, she never revealed it, but the sands has still happened every year in October thirty first in New York and probably in more places now. Honestly, it's probably like a thing. Yeah, all the parents are busy doing that instead of chuck or treating. That's what it is. I'm trying to see the hat man, all right, that's crazy. Ye have fun, Okay, see you later. I'm trying to get candy for the neighbors. Off. Hey, thanks for watching. If you liked this episode, makes you subscribe, leave a comment to outweigh all the grifters. And then we've got playlists on the screen. You can watch new videos if you haven't seen them. 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Harry Houdini, born Ehrich Weisz, was a famous magician and escape artist in the early 20th century. He gained worldwide fame for his incredible and death-defying stunts and his skills as an illusionist and performer. Harry Houdini’s Early Life Houdini was born in Hungary in 1874, but his family immigrated to the United States when he was just a child. … Read More

Jimmy Zhong- The Unbelievable Bitcoin Heist That Made Billions

12-05-23

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Made by robots for robots. Only read if you’re werid.

You can start it. Hey, man, shoot dude, how'd you get there? Hey? This is a special episode of This is Last Night. It's the two hundredth episode, two episode. That's a power move. I planned this as soon as I saw the episode air. I was like, immediately, that is such a power move. So much. We do have a guest today. Yeah, there's another voice in your ears today. It's not just that that was your cue to say something, Hi, Hello, there's another voice of your ears today. I mean, I'm supposed to introduce myself. It's the one person. The one person here remembers if we confirmed that this is the sandwich guy, this is not the sandwich guy. If you thought this in the Sandwich Guy the whole time, we need your question. No, definitely did not. He stole three billion dollars a bitcoin. Things I learned last night was one of our investors. Ye. She was a long round, longtime listener, longtime investor. Yeah yeah, yeah, she blackmailed us into bringing her. I knew the most about you of everyone in the Patreon discord. That's actually I won the March Madness because I earned my way here. What she says, it's almost November. Yeah, we're just looking good. We're glad to making good and a promise we made four years ago. I'm saying, h yeah, you won the trivia thing, because you know you didn't. And I was very proud of myself because the only ones I got wrong were like YouTube the algorithm questions and I was like, I don't know which video did better. What questions you put in there? Yeah, they were pretty ones about your guys friendship, the ones about like how long you've known each other and all of that. I got all of those right. You put in which video? I wanted to make it hard. I think there were like two or three of those, and the only ones I got wrong, Wow, trying to make it challenging because we so for anybody who's knew what we did was we did Tilling Madness, which was March Madness. We did you know, best episodes, We did brackets and then you and who who did you have to face off for Lydia. That's why I made it, because somebody's killing. Lydia is married to a dude I grew up with, and so I was like, I was like, that's an unfair advantage. She got some of the questions wrong about you guys. Just guess some of those she knew the YouTube friend. I don't know, but I will say it was a good thing that, like the March Madness thing reset because we were another round in and I think some of the guesses if we had gone with the original bracket, I may not have won, that's true. Yeah, I don't remember who won, but I think because Timothy Dexter is still like my favorite episode. It was the live show and so yeah, because we mentioned you in it, No, I want you to know that was my roommate. She was the one snort laughing. I mean I ended up snort laughing after if we got you after No, I just know because I tell people that all the time. I'm like, the guy had just picked randomly. He was like, oh, let's put cats on a ship and they ended up having a giant rat problem, like just and then he made a statue of himself and I love that guy. That was a good episode. Yeah, that was And speaking of good episodes, we've got a good one here today. This is a two hundredth episode celebration. It's a it's a bonanza. Our phones are live. Feel free to call in at any time. Yeah, we're giving money to the Children's Medical Hospital. If you want to dial in and give us a donation, Wor'll be up all night. It's a telethonon event. So this episode doesn't come out for so we got to keep going until it comes out. I don't know if you knew that was the plan. And we're not catering. So me and Tim have the table. There's three of us. At least there's three of us. We can sleep in shifts. Yeah, it's true. That's actually a really good idea. First anyways, have you either of you ever heard of Jimmy Jeong? Yeah? No, please say that again though, Jimmy Sean, Okay, Jimmy Jimmy Jean, Jimmy Jean, Jimmy Jean. He's pronouncing it friends. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean it's the sandwich place. It's yeah, they do after free smells smells. Well, that's it's a side effect of it being so fast, like because they're on the move. Jimmy stupid, I like it. Who's Jimmy. Jimmy Jong is a significant person. He recently was arrested for one of the highest value bitcoin heists ever heististed. Yeah, how do you how do you heist. It's like a digital wallet and you steal out of the digital wallet. How did you do? Like? How is that a heist? Though? Well, you go into still stealing even though bitcoin doesn't exist. Now you go into a bank and you wear a clown mask and you say everybody get on the ground, and then you say, who here has bitcoins? I'm thinking, like you got to like find somebody who's got a bitcoin wallet, hole my gun points and give me your password, Like that's gotta be They can't be hacked. I mean, I mean they can. Is that a heist or is that a hack? No? No, I feel like if you're threatening somebody to give you all your money, isn't that uh hm No, it's a theft either way. Theft is the term the actual, but I mean in hest sounds like a cool bar, I think. I think what makes a theft a heist is a plan, Like it's a well thought out plan, which in retrospect, I don't know if this guy had that, so this might have just been a theft. He's in jail, So maybe it's the value that makes it a heist, because three billion dollars that's pretty hard. That's like state I hate you for that. Okay, let's tell the story. Jimmy Joan Jimmy Jong grew up in Massachusetts. I believe that's not confirmed. Part of the story where he's from isn't super important. Let's checkipedia. QUI don't worry about Okay whatever. Yeah, so grew up in Massachusetts was kind of a have you ever thought about never mind? Yeah, he was just kind of a I want to know if I've thought about that thing? Oh, yeah, I have, no, I mean, you just never thought about Like I saw this online the other day and I was I've been thinking about it a lot lately. The Roman Empire close how well, Like if you were a time traveler, you time traveled back to say the eighties, you got the neighborhood bully and sent them to high school today. Do you think they'd be a successful bully today? Like could they bully today? You're saying, they're asking if the insults would translate to get the bully? Yeah, you travel time with them, Okay, in school and what do you tell you? Go, Hey, you're going to bully here, Let's see you bully And they go around leather jacket and they're just like freaking shoving people in the lockers. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, and you want to know if that was still no, No, no, because the bullies are more submersive now. They don't call you a nerd, they call you a fascist. They don't you know what I'm saying, Like, they're not like that's what I'm saying. Is that fair? I mean, I don't think I think gen Z is borderlining previous to bullies, cyber bullies. No, because someone's like someone will go, uh, you need to check your insecurities than the bully is that they go, wow, that's really well, then turn into a gen Z. They would just adapt that. How adaptable do we think bullies are? Though, because I feel like eighties bullies are the same person today. Yeah. I just started watching A Stranger Things for the first time and uh wow, yeah that that was like a wake up call to how bad the eighties were. And then I was like, oh that that generation of kids because they were just allowed to ride on bikes and fight monsters and their parents do another like you know, of course talking about I've only seen one episode, so spoil anything, but I'm talking about like, don't spoil for almost a decade. What do you mean, don't spoil I is a surprise. You're in for a twist, okay, because like I was watching a cute story and then the happens unthinkable. Oh god, have you seen the gen Z video of Titanic where everybody gets upset that the old lady from the movie isn't a wasn't a real person on the Titanic? Yeah? What is this? I thought this was real? And this is what I'm saying. Maybe that bully would do well because like he has a lot of there's a lot of stuff to bully the kids for. But are you saying would people react this? Yeah? I think I think what you said is be like, like, we'll take your security. Like I feel like they would respond. Was something too intellectual for them? Yeah, I don't know. I think kids are just different. It turned to violence after that. Yeah, he's probably beat him up, right, Yeah, he probably Yeah, he's probably still tough for them. Anyway, Why were you thinking about this? I just think about bullies when I'm burying these bees in my backyard by uh No, Okay, so Jimmy. The reason I brought that up is Jimmy was bullied as a kid didn't have a lot of friends. It was kind of a bit of a loner and also had like kind of a negative family life, Like wasn't well. I guess like if that that bully shows up the school and says something like you're a nerd and someone will go, hey man, the eighties called going your insults back? He's like, did they call back? Do you know how to get back? That would suck to be time traveled? And then because you didn't, you didn't saying to be time traveled and then throw them back into a high school. I'd be he's still in high school at the time that you Yeah, he is, it's just a different high school. Yeah, in a different time. I think bullies still exist. Yeah we should. We should do that. Isn't that Back to the Future, doesn't Biff at some point go to a different time and he is still a bully? That's true. Yeah, he's just old maybe like a mortal combat some bullies, you know what I'm saying, who had the tougher bullies and eighties of the twenties growing up by a time traveled bully. Yeah, he's getting bullied by the time traveler and it was so bad that his parents got a divorce. Dude, can you believe with that what he did to that kid last week? He put him in a trash can, he stuffs him in a locker, and then he made his parents when he sit down with his mom, he know, Sandra, are you really sure that you made the right decision? You're planting seeds of doubt. What do you mean his parents got divorced because of how bad he was bullied? Or were the parents like, dude, our kids such a did you just cry every day? I can take I can't see you anymore. I can't. He's such a for it. I feel bad for this kid already. Yeah, so the parents got divorced for different reasons. Okay, it might have been the bully. I don't know. We don't have any documentation on that. So it's not not the bully. We don't know. He wasn't a time traveler. We can't prove that. We can't. We can't prove any of this. Okay, So, uh, he had a negative upbringing and he but he was a kid who, like a lot of kids who were bullied. This is the nineties. I keep saying eighties because I feel like eighties bullies are like prolific. But that was the high era of bo Yeah, nineties bullies took you to a whole new level. You know, yeah, I know. Uh And do you know where I was going with that? You were going? I think so nineties bullies were the worst. So he was bullied in the nineties, and like a lot of kids who got bullied, he threw himself into his computer and started learning a lot about coding and sure all this type of stuff. Tat himself a bunch of different languages. Are bully now ended up listening to weird podcasts. That's true. Welcome as a kid of the nineties. We have we confirmed that this is the Sandwich guy. This is not the guy. If you thought this is the Savori guy the whole time, we were not the sand your question. He definitely did not know. He stole three billion dollars a bitcoin, and I forgot about the Big Italian is actually named after his high school pull. Oh yeah, that's big a town. I forgot we talked about the bitcoin eyes. I haven't. I've had d calf coffee today. I have had zero call. Oh no, we come to this caffeine A Jimmy John was bullied though he was, Yeah, you don't. You don't do that without getting bullied. Sandwich. Yeah, let me tell you about fred de Luca from Subway Man bullied. We're never gonna have a good at least he was when I worked there, bullying the CEO. I call him every day and I go, hey, listen, I just made up this new sandwich. Good morning, say with boy, Hey bred boy, all I just got them breath all these meats. You're such a loser. I called your mom last night. She said, she's now. I love the idea of believe he's going. That's cool. Family. Oh dude, just shove me the walk, leave my parents out of this. Just give me a swirly please, please give me instead. All Right, you see what Tim start, You see why we're here, right, It's all right? So yeah, so Jimmy, do you want to finish that? You can have the rest of it. No, I don't. I would never come between Tim and his all right, thank you. He started coding. Yeah, so he started coding, and he got a scholarship. Uh, and he thought that that was going to change his life to Georgia. Okay, he thought that that was going to change his Massachusetts down of Georgia. Yeah, and he thought that he thought that that was going to change his relationship with his parents. He thought they were going to finally be proud of him for once, or they weren't in what year is this now, he's like two thousand and eight, Oh, pretty later. Yeah, And so he he goes to college Athens, Georgia. What university is there, Georgia State, University of Gegi. Yeah, it's the Bulldogs. But are they Georgia State or University of Georgia. University the Georgia, University of Georgia, the Dogs, it's the Dogs University of Georgia. Yeah. So he goes there and he studies computer science. Okay, and while he's there, this thing is happening in the Internet call bitcoin, but it's very early bitcoin. It's like two thousand and eight, right, and so he gets into it. He starts mining, and he's like, oh, this is neat. And so he contributed some of the code to really early bitcoin because it's open source at the time, and so he can contributed a little bit of code to that. Technically, technically speaking, was one of the founders a bitcoin because of that, not really, I mean founders a bitcoint are there. If that's technic, if that's like how the level of entry, Well, I don't think it was. Maybe founders too strong of a term, but technically helped create that founding, contributing member, founding contributing donor fan. That's what you were to this show if you started listening so early? Yeah, yeah, when did you start your seventeen or eighteen eighteen? Did we start twenty seventeen? What's the first episode you listened to? I started in order you started it all. It was the first. We used to tell people to do that. We don't do that anymore. Yeah, we don't tell who to do that. Listen to the episode. Yeah, we say listen to what we got good at audio, get a bunch of it, which is still also after we hired Alex to it took him some time to get there's a there's a review. You realize if he leaves, then you know nothing to start over. I know that's true. You don't bully him, No, we bully him watch your family. No, but we have a review. There's a review out there where someone recently and like last year or so said something about our Springfield miss every episode and they were like, can you guys like stop laughing directly into the mics, and it's like, I mean we do eventually in like two years, so like we get, Yeah, we get that's what I'm saying. Yeah, you should just go reply to that now and be like okay, cool, we did it. By the way, we're gonna would reply to reviews. Yeah, well maybe we could create your own. Are you trying to tea up a thing right now? You got Abigail brought some reviews. Why do you say your name like that? Like what Abby? Gail? He does? Say it? Weird? Yeah? I knew it? How do you say it? A girl? Got it? How do you say it? I go by Abby mostly? But really we've always called you Abagai? Why do we do that? That's my name in the discord? So should we call you Abby? It doesn't matter? All right, Abby Abby? Okay? She brought us. She brought us some reviews. Uh yeah, reviews about show? Yeah, I brought them. So you know what, here's what I hate about comments and reviews and this we talked about it in an earlier episode. Tim's just like, yeah, dude, let's have brush off me and like, yeah, because the mean stuff is about me, dude. They don't say mean stuff about you. No, not a single review is like that. The discord is for Yeah, that's what they say, some mean things about me and make them pay to do it. That's why we tim Yeah, all you want, it's worth it, all right. His parents are rock solid, though there's nothing that's going to tear them apart. All right, read these reviews, all right? Five stars. Hello. Name is Caleb. I'm thirteen years old, and I love this show so much, so funny all the time. I have heard every single episode and they're also good used the wrong there. I heard about this podcast from my friend Kale and said we would love a shout out. Oh hey from Caleb the ax a lottle Caleb and your friend Kale. I don't know that's spelled weird Kale. L is Kille your friend or is that just you without the B? That's exactly what Kale, Caleb the before the L, not after the L. Kale, shout out to both of you or one of you. I don't know, I don't know. I review Yeah, come on, Kale. I mean, if he's thirteen, maybe he doesn't have maybe his computer access. He's got a computer he's got a computer. He can access to a computer. Five stars annoying. They are kind of annoying, but I like them. Sleep again. At least we got five stars annoying. I mean, okay, as a as a long time listener, I know what I'm getting into. A long time listener, first time sitter, I'm on the high ground. Okay, No, you guys, get off to That's why we spent the first like five minutes of the episode. I forgot that he told us that it was a it was a commuter, Jimmy Johnson. I forgot how we got from sandwiches. All right, give us another one. Five stars impressing future in laws. Best part of my Tuesday is listening to these guys. It's the perfect blend of laughing and stupid jokes and feeling a little bit smarter after an episode. My future brother in law loves niche, and thanks to this podcast, I knew exactly what the Great Emu War was when it came up in conversation. I'm not saying this podcast is the reason my in laws accept me, but I'm saying there's a chance Tim and Jaron, you guys want beef or chicken at my wedding chicken. Heck, yeah, neither. Actually, I'm on the kind of a specific diet. I would love salmon and wild rice to the wedding. This is not gonna work for me. Yeah. Actually, a time traveler, I'm a huge bully of your future, kid, and I'm here to stop this right now. Come back into the future to be like, hey, guess what your parents never buried loser? Yeah, and the kids like because it doesn't exists. Fading grades. Yeah, yeah, that's a new SWIRLI all right, what do we got? Three stars? Stop you right there? All right? Three stars? Three stars. Here's the thing. I don't like the three star reviews because they usually have a genuine critique. This is the longest one yet. Well, here's the thing. Five star is like, we like them one stars. Wait till you hear the critique. Wish they would decrease the amount of laughing. Stop why'd you do that? Right away? I can't do it. He's incapable. This is when you take his drink away from him. Alright, let's just clinch your jaw like this like that. Great hosts and concept. I really enjoyed the info they had and think the hosts are some of the funniest When trying to listen, the laughing literally overwhelms and is so close to the microphones. I ended. I ended the episode I listened to with a headache. Unfortunately, they didn't stay close to the topic and just annoyed me. I only listen to the Springfield, Missouri episode to be honest, and I'm not sure when I will attempt another listening session. I hope it's not this one. I am keeping my fingers crossed at the hosts are slightly further from Mike's and not laughing more than talking. In my next listen, Honestly, I might time laughter versus talking. I think I think timing. If someone wants to time, no, the length of our laughs versus the length of actual conversation. I would love to see the statistics. Daniel did make a yeah, tilling, but but only the information off topic. Yeah, so he takes out all the banter and all the stuff and just as the series's so so short, Yeah that's all right. Yeah, we got more reviews, a few more stars, laugh track or bust really wanted to like it? So what is it? I was last I would love this show with the last track. I don't know, but how do I still give you three stars? Well? They were like I wanted to like it. Yeah, it's fine, one star, terrible. The commentary is silly and the research is superficial. If you are an academic and like to research, I doubt you would enjoy this useless. No you, I would. I doubt you would enjoy this unless you like frat boy reflections. Frat boy, Yeah, you and me the two frattiest guys I know. If you're an academic, that means conspiracy theorists. The person who wrote that listen the one Alien episode was like, this is clearly not for us. Their name is kimber Dancer. Yeah, for sure. They're from One More Star, it says us. And there is it down a little bit fine? One another one star. Yep, hey, dummies, do some research. You're sounded like idiots on the Frank ab Gale felt that you didn't spell it right. Soho. Basically everything he's done has been proven false. A simple Google search would show that isn't that the did he not finished the episode? A simple couple more minutes would have got you there. See. I wish they would explain that on the movie, though, there's no retrospect. At the end, they would say, you know, these things are alleged, and the only person who said he's done these is him because I didn't know that until I listened to the I was a great twist. Yeah, I think I think I did a good job storytelling that episode. Sure it was that. And then I wish they would have said, Hey, that lady is not real. By the way, Hey the boat didn't seek. Yeah, we made the whole thing up, made it up. But still go to the museum. Yeah. So he graduates college and he starts a sandwich restaurant. Uh no, so he uh he got into bitcoin in the early years of bitcoin, right uh and did some mining, did some coding for it. But it was kind of like a at that time, bitcoin was useless, like it was actually it was point zero zero zero zero one CeNSE or what what's the It was as valuable as like money and RuneScape or Club Penguin like it was not It was like a like a like a sight though. Yeah, sixty dollars to one million coins in RuneScape right now, I looked it up literally two days ago. Uh, it's well whatever, and so like yeah, I mean, I hope my high school bully here, you watch my parents are funds. You didn't pull it off. So yeah, there's got to be like a real what is that, you know, sixty cents to a million, that's like, yeah, I mean it was it was. I guess technically you could trade it in for some money, but it was pretty it's made up. Pretty not valuable. Yeah, it's still made up. It's just worth more to people. I mean, the same is true with real money. Yeah, it's just there's you know, a physical Well that's what I think about. Like I thought about like in uh in I don't want to even give a specific country, but in in like third world countries where like they're literally like two hundred thousand dollars, yeah, is nothing. Yeah right, just reset it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like just zero, right, it's our dollars. Yeah, because we made ourselves. We made ourselves the global exchange currency. So now it's everything has to be able to exchange. Really, we're not even and we say we'll only give you one dollar. We're not even on the gold standard anymore. Right, so even the dollars are just it's all imaginary. It's all because we're at the top of far down there, you'll have a panic. I mean you'll back out. I work in the in the finance world. Where do you work? I do accounting? Yeah, what's the address I work from I work from home. You already have what are your what are your account names? Passwords? No, it's B three three F time dollar time zero. You know all that. That's that's my passwords, your passwords. So you know, oh, gosh, I'm not gonna change like, oh I just bought that domain name. No. But like if you look at a stock though, like you know, Apple Stock, there's a real company that exists that you you know, Oh, the company is doing well, this is worth a bunch, whereas bitcoin is just like, oh, this group of people have decided to believe in it. So it's yeah, it's particularly they decided its value arbitrarily, I mean arbitrarily trarely the Barbetralia. I mean that does not surprised me. How much do you have? Do you own bitcoin? Technically? Yes, I don't know where it is though, it's under my mattress. You need to hop on the mog coin train right now. It's worth point zero, say mom coin, mog you know, like half man, half dog, I'm a mog. Oh interesting for the educator. Oh okay, yes I've heard of this, not the coin, the coin, but spaceballs. His name is Barf Manhattan. I'm my own best friend, So Jimmy John's he bought a lot of bitcoin, or didn't buy he mined a lot of bitcoin, kind of forgot about it for a little bit, went on with college and had a better experience in college than he had in high school because like, college is a little different than high school. You don't have bullies, and you're mostly adults now, and so like everyone's you know, I mean, you might not get along with everybody, but you're not getting shoved in lockers or people are forcing your parents to I was going to say, they're already divorced. You're already divorced. You can't. Yeah. So he uh, he's having a better experience in college, but marginally better, so kind of lonely, but he's not being bullied, so it's better. Still, no friends, not being bullied. Yeah, Okay. Towards the end of his college career, though, bitcoin starts to go on the rise, and he's like, oh, where is my bitcoin? So he starts trying to track that down. He can't track it down, so he says, instead of trying to find mine, trying to find going to take somebody else. Well, he starts mining again. He's still early enough where a year later it kind of popped off, and then next thing he knows, like he had mined a significant chunk of bitcoin that was now worth like seventy thousand dollars okay, and he was like, oh, this will make me popular and so okay, oh god having money or having bitcoin because others money. So this is legitimately earned bitcoin that he's mining, and so like he he sets up a rig that's capable of mining a lot of bitcoin. This is early bitcoin. There's not a lot of competition for this, and so he's able to get a lot of bitcoin from his mining efforts. And so he's starting to actually develop a pretty serious income from mining bitcoin. And so he starts throwing big parties and paying for everything, and people are coming and hanging out with him because he's the money guy, like you know, like you know those people who are just like, yes, you like me because I'm rich, know, yeah, I have a hot t You're inflatable. I was like, I was like rock my friends because Yeah, I got a hot momby waiting at home because I because the buddy, uh momby She's gonna think you're calling her some some combination of like mom and her rombie yikes uh and so okay. And so he's just kind of living the cycle where he's earning a lot of bitcoin and then blowing it all on these huge parties. And he's living the life like like when I say parties, like he is like renting limos and paying for everybody's drinks and going to the bar and buying drinks for everybody local high school theater productions. Yeah. Friends, And so he turns into a bit of a party amenal a ammal uh. And he develops a bit of an alcohol problem. Here's a photo from this series from these years of him uh clubs with alcohol, and his life quickly turns from him being a lonely guy to the kind of guy who has a lot of friends that he's paying to have. And eventually his group just gets larger and larger and larger. Of all these people who hanging out with him to do all the fun stuff to keep a fund. Yeah, and by the time he graduates college, he's literally chartering private jets and flying all of his friends out to La how much big ten thousand dollars budgets to go on rodeo drive and buy whatever they want, and so like he is like living a high life, party lifestyle, paying for a bunch of friendships basically. And during this season of his life, he gets into a lot of party paraphernalia or drugs. Drugs is probably a better term for that, drugs. And so one of his favorites was was cocaine. And so he starts doing a lot of like a lot of cocaine, and one night he was out of Jimmy John's. I think he literally was out of Jimmy John's. Everything is connected. I feel better about myself. Now. He's talking to this group of girls telling them, Hey, I have thirty thousand dollars worth of cocaine at my place if you guys want to come over. The table behind him is an off duty police officer. Nice, So he texts his buddy who's on duty, Hey, hey, hang out, try to hang out with this guy real quick. Yeah, And so they show up and lo and behold, he did have someone in his possessions. So he catches a felony for that doesn't go to jail, but he does catch a felony. So he graduates college and he continues living this lifestyle. Sure, he buys a pretty modest home, like what's described as a bungalow. It's like a two bedroom to bath like one story house. Does buy himself a nice BMW and he lives there for a couple of years and throwing huge parties, live in the line bath, huge parties. Yeah, all right, they don't have to party. He's not. He's flying to you know, private jets, going to Vegas, going to New York. Came for everybody at the bar, going to New kid it. You go to Vegas and then you fly in two times you can. Yeah, And he does this for years and it works out really okay. Trying to slip it, I was trying to he was a bitcoin just straight him up a little bit. We know what he spended it on. So, uh So he does this for years. He actually gets into kind of brokerage almost so people who want to invest in bitcoin, he goes and buys the bitcoin for that on behalf of them and then moves it for them. So he becomes like a bitcoin investor and he makes millions doing this legitimately? Is he paying his taxes? Yes, he's doing everything by the book. He's doing this legitimately, except we yeah, there is some of the some of that stuff that's illegal. But other than the other than the legal stuff, everything by the book, except for the things he's not doing by the Sure, you got that right, And so like you haven't broken a few laws. Every time people are like, let's do a let's do a get to know you, you know, has anybody ever done anything illegal? Immediately raise my hand. They look at me and I go jaywalking, and they're like that, But it's true, walk all the time? Did you get arrested for it? I had a roommate in college who went to school in like New Jersey, and the campus like police officers would hide in bushes and give kids tickets. Shut up for that's not a cop, it's the campus police. Whoever it was that New Jersey college campuses. I have parking tickets, like, I'm not gonna pay that. Arrest me, Oh great, okay. One of my favorite things when I was working at a church was the icebreakers, where you would do these ice you know, do like that. You're all in the circle and you do like the the never have I ever things, but you get like, you know what I'm talking about that game where you there's like one less chair, so the person in the middle has to be like, I've never eaten at Chipotle, and anybody who hasn't eaten Chapole has to stand up and go find their chair, and there's one person left. My favorite was one guy in the middle of this I've been arrested, and we look around and then one girl stands up. Switch now she's in the middle, and we were like, it's like you would not have expected. Do you want to explain or do you want to just keep playing the game. That's why when they ask have you ever done anything illegal? I always raise my hand because then people are like, no, you know, she killed somebody was kidding allegedly though allegedly she's not in jail anymore. So, yeah, she's in that video of that girl who's driving drunk and like killed two people, yes, but is like yeah, She's like, I gotta be at school in the morning. Where's my car? And they're like, you're not going to school tomorrow, and she's like, I gotta go to school tomorrow. Oh my god, I have an unpaid jaywalking ticket on campus. I gotta take care of ticket. Wasn't she in like high school? In college school? Geez? Real weird video. Anyway, so he's he's legitimately for years, he's doing things legitimately. He meets a guy in Memphis, Tennessee who wants to get into real estate development, have an idea for like a multi uh story apartment building in downtown, like a big, a big apartment complex, and so he agrees to fund that that venture for the student in Memphis. And they're both young guys. They're like playing for the popular city of Memphis. Yeah, they're both like twenty four. And Jimmy is like, yeah, thirty two million. I'll give you thirty two million for this. And so they start working on this project and it takes years for to kind of get off the ground, and finally when he's when he's twenty eight, like, they're making the moves and actually pulling it off. And so he's going and working on starting to actually pull some of the funds from the bitcoin to do this because he has a lot of money and bitcoin at this point from his mining and trading and stuff like that. But he's living off of a lot less than what he has sure, which is still a lot. As THEE must say, he probably had earned somewhere in like seventy million worth of bitcoin legitimately during these years, but he only was pulling out a couple hundred thousand at a time to go party and be a crazy kid. And he's twenty eight and twenty nineteen. I believe he was out on one of these venders, gone for like a week doing the party thing. Comes home to realize this house was broken into, and so he calls nine one one and he's like, hey, my house was robbed. I've been gone for like a week. And they're like, okay, what was stolen? He said, they didn't steal anything except for a briefcase in my house and they're like, okay, where was the briefcase And he said it was in the vents nice and here I had my briefcases. And they're like, that's interesting. What was in the briefcase? And he was like a USB drive with some personal information and four hundred thousand dollars cash and they were like, interesting, we should call the FBI. That's why you buy a two bedroom, two bath bungalows, so people don't know you're rich. Yeah, exactly into your vents and so well. But I mean if if someone steals a briefcase from the vents, like yeah, that's like that's like opening a storage unit and taking a bunch of snack cakes. Like you know, that's that's premeditating. You knew what was happening. Yeah, yeah, So he uh, he kind of freaks out after this and he's like, well, I can't stay here anymore. So he pulls out some extra cash from his big quin wallet and buys like a multimillion dollar house on Lake Lanier and he dies there. He's out on a boat and it sinks. Oh he half and yeah, broken half and then he floated on the side like there was a piece of wood for two people. But yeah, and it was freezing cold. He froze to death. Oh yeah, he could have swammed ashore. It was like thirteen actually happened to Yeah. He did move into a really big house on like Linear, got this crazy security system built, and actually, over the next couple of years was like a resource for the police. Whenever there was crimes, they would call him and he'd be like yeah, and he'd be like, let me think really hard. I think this person did it checked event he became a resource for Yeah, I got a feeling. Yeah I'll pay for that. Yeah that's well close. No, he just had a really good security system on his property, so they would use his cameras, uh to catch criminals in the area. I guess I don't know how many crew cameras they're like in the whole city people. How close are crimes being committed to his mansion? These are legitimate questions that I don't have a legitimate answer to, Okay, but all I know is him and the police developed a pretty close relationship. Meanwhile, the I R S is investigating him and he doesn't know this. They're because whenever he called the police was like, I'm missing four hundred thusand dollars. The I R S is like, why do you have four hundred thousand dollars cash? Because this guy doesn't is technically speaking unemployed, but he's making a lot of money, and so they're like, this is interesting. What's going on here? Is getting unemployment collecting that four hundred dollars a month? I mean, he's probably he's probably filed as an investor. Is probably how he's filed his taxes. Yeah, but he's They're like, they're like, this is an interesting thing to just have four hundred thousand dollars in a briefcase and you're sure. So they're investigating him and he has no idea. The local police hits a dead end on his case, and so he hires a private investigator to try to track down the person who stole the money from him. So he's working with this private investigator in the local sheriff a little bit, and eventually the private investigator is like, we should talk to the FBI, and so then the FBI gets involved in he continues talking with the FBI and they're kind of in this back and forth working together for months and months trying to track down who stole his four hundred thousand dollars and USB with personal information on it, personal information His codes is bitcoin while uh and it's interesting seeing I watched an interview with this private investigator and she was like, she's like, well, they never caught the guy who stole the briefcase. They assume it's someone that he knew, and they are fairly confident that everybody he knew was just using him for them all right, sure, and the parties and all this stuff. He was buying them stuff all the time, yea. And so they're like it could have been literally anybody he knew. Sure, nobody he had was a real friend. And so they never tracked that down. But then the I r S calls the FBI and it's like, hey, can we come see what's going on there? And then we meet this guy, yeah pretty much, and so hey, if we get down there, well he signed something for me. I'm just really impressed with him. And so the I R S shows up this investigator, Uh, the FBI investigator takes the two I r S agents and shows up at his door one day and is like, hey, we're we're looking into your case. Still, we're trying to track them down. I got too investigators from Washington out here with me, and we want to take a closer look. I didn't tell him it was the RS. It's like he's like, can we take a look around? Like can uh, we just want to come and ask you a few more questions and see some stuff to help us with our investigation. And so they sit down in the living room and they kind of just you know, chop it up with him. For like a half an hour or so, and so they asked him how he made all as much all his money. They're complimenting his house and all this stuff. And then finally like they gained some good uh with him, and uh, they're like, hey, can you give us a tour of the house. And so they give him a full tour of his house, told them all about He's like, okay, and you don't need to move. You just literally just see it all from just turning around, Like the vedroom's over here, the second one is right here, there's the bath. He's in a mansion. We talked about some of the stuff. Well, you still have to move though. He's got those little like things just stand on and it moves around the house. Got one of those like big closet pantries that he converted into his camera room. Butler ladies, who's a hello, everything is above board? Hello, Jimmy calls me rombis rombies. Gosh, it was right there right there. That's funny. I was going to make that joke in a few seconds. Yeah, you just beat me to it. It sucks, doesn't it. And so because they're vacuum it wasn't that funny. It wasn't funny, Roby, it was right there. Just keep going. You're enjoying it, and you're enjoying Tilling. You've been around for a little bit. I want to invite you to be a part of our patreon. We have a patreon that has early access to all of our episodes, add free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our host and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out, we get to know each other, we eat pizza. It's a blast, along with a bunch of other benefits like a merch discounts message on your birthday, like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, they get the heck out of here. Just kidding, No, we love you. Thanks for checking out Tilling podcasts. How do they how do they get it? Though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh Dad, you're doing Yeah, they can text Till in the six six, eight sixty six. Thanks Jared. I just want you to rest on that, Okay, I want you to. TAM's enjoying Jaron being humbled. So he he gives them a full two Okay, I don't know if that's what I would say is going on here. I don't think we would go that. Okay, Okay, my apology. So he gives them a full tour of the house, and he shows them his security room, shows them all the information about all his security system. They want to go to the because the vent was the old place. So that was at the old place, and heah, well, now there's bigger and better vents, right, which probably should have teed them off that they're not looking into this case, but it didn't, okay, and so they uh there. He's guiding them around the house and then finally they get into like a server room and like what's this. He's like, Oh, this is my mining rig. And then they're like, oh, can we see it? And he's like sure. So he opens up a laptop and he's actually like he's like hold on, He's like, I gotta you can't look at my pass code. So he's got are going are zero A S T B three three? He says it out wud he can't die the one finger type, and so he types in his password and then he turns to the computer around to show that he's got like a million a bitcoin and they're like, hm, hm, that's interesting. And so they wearing body cans now have enough information to say he's got a secret server room in his house that has a lot of bitcoin on it. There is a he has taxes. I mean, are you no? I wasn't lying, but I have buried the lead. It's like, so there's a flamethrower on the wall in his house. Uh wait, wait, why did you say it like that? I buried the lead. So there's a flame thrower the wall of his house? Did he was? He personal friends with Elon musk I maybe how else do you get a flame? They saw? They saw on the screen on the wall of your house. I don't have it displayed showing it in your I got a wife. She won't let me put that up on the wall. I hid mine in my dryer. Do you not use your dryer? No? Yeah, for my clothes. Where do you hide money in your house? It's a real question. He doesn't have any money. Where do you hide the cash in your house? I don't you use cash, You use cash. We use cash when we save for like we're going to we're going to canconce have separate accounts for that with with this, really, I mean we're not paying for it as one of our friends who's like super rich, but uh no, we use cash. We just pull cash out because we won't want to spend it. We want to put it somewhere and write it somewhere. Yeah, you just have a separate account for stuff like that. We only actually have three cats. One of them is just where we put all our money. Yeah, it's the fourth one. He's just a fake if he's open smiles and yeah, it was the best system. But it works for us. Yeah, it looks out pretty good. Yeah, it's kind of messy when we have to collect, is it. That's what Dave says, your money? Yeah, fake cat. Well he says, you want to put your money, if you're saving, you want to put it somewhere where it's difficult to get it there. Yeah, well I meant to make real cat. That's some cats more difficult. That's some cat flow right there anyway. So yeah, so they they have evidence on their body cams that he's got millions of dollars in a Bitcoin account on the body camps. They also have evidence that he has a flame throw on the wall, a really pretty intense security system and uh uh a couple of the rifles worried. They like if they did if they did a raise in the house, be id not. They have all that information already. They had a hunch about him, but they've had enough. They now have enough information with they invited the f b I guy into his home and showed him the flame flower on his flame flower? Flame flower? Wow, how's it feel? Humbled? So I would no the idea saying like they're going to raid his house? What are they like, he's got a flamethrower? Like we have tanks? Who gets they You're welcome, just bob. It just Boba's house. They they they have enough, They have a hunch about him, but they don't have enough evidence for them to be able to get a war. But like, I don't understand why he if he knew that the FBI hadn't arrested him yet, why he would invite him into his house and be like, here's my flame because he thinks to find that for her. I guess that that doesn't happening. Does he not know how the law works? No, clearly, I think he does. But I think he thinks he's about clear. We're buddies. I don't know if I would say above, but I just he thinks he's fine. I think he doesn't realize that the have you ever invite the FBI into your home behind your flamethrower? I think he doesn't think there's anything he's done wrong. Yeah, I think he doesn't. At one point did the SEC regulate all of the stuff about holding you know, bitcoin and having a bunch of money that you know you were It was I think it was after this, yeah, but still the FBI. The FBI had had a hunch on him. He stole he stole the wallet, no, his own, his own briefcase of four hundred thousand dollars. He stole his own. The reason they were doing this is to get a warrant. So they got the warrant, they were able to then come and what they did this is really interesting. They came back a couple of weeks later with a warrant. A bunch of cops hit around the corner, like around the block, around the corner, but around the block, and that FBI agent came and was like, hey, I just need to grab a little bit more data from you for our investigations. Like sure, and so he's like, he lets him in. They signed into the computer and we got you. We got you loser, No, a little bit more finesse than that. What he did instead was he said he got him the long in. Once he logged in the computer, he was like, was like hey, He's like, he's like, view, looks great out your balcony right now. Can we go take a look at that le And so he tells him, He tells him it's a fake agent. Oh, and they go in and feel all of it because he's not the real FBI. It's not the I R S. It's just something. It is his eyes. They got to steal the briefcase. Look at you, he tells you. Yeah. He tells him, hey, let's go look outside. And so he's like, he's like, look out. He turns and starts walking out towards the balcony, and as he turns, the guy reaches in his pocket and slides a USB into the computer. And what it was is it's what's called a wiggler. Remember, yeah, keep your mouth moving, Yeah, no, so the compute by the time all the guys in around the around the corner, around the block got there, the computer wouldn't have turned off the screen saver, and so they still had access to all of his stuff because otherwise, Yeah, this sounds like Okay, let me tell you, I'm not one of those people that listens to True Prime true prime podcasts. Listen to one true Prime one that's true. Yeah, Jared's like my podcast to hold up the merch. Yeah, you can buy this at time or shot dot tailing dot com or tailling dot com, slash shop or slash merch or read the Actor dot com. I forgot about that. I read a lot. And so it makes sense that you know, if it's out in the open with a search warrant, they have access to it. So yeah, I don't know, the wiggling open so they're not having to touch the computer. But he put they're not real No, I know that, and so the computer won't lost either way. They need access to the computer. Fruit Salad like the game or the song So plus died and Jimmy's like, do you care Fruit Salad by the Wiggles. He's like, no, no, I know you're it's a weird side effect that they put it the program that really like hurts the salut ability of it, but you know whatever, it's a side effect. So they go out on the balcony. They sit down on the balcony and they're looking out at the view and he's like, man, that's a great view. Jimmy's like, yeah, it is, isn't it. And he's like He's like, Jimmy, I got to tell you something, and uh, Jimmy's and he says, he says, Jimmy, he says, you're under arrest. And he says, he says, we've we've been not looking into the robbery that was committed against you. We've actually been looking into the Robbie that robbery you committed. And Jimmy turns around and looks inside and there's like fifty cops in his living room going into well okay, and so are they real cops? So they take him, they take him to jail, and uh, they take him to jail. They're real cops. That's an interesting idea, but it's not the truth. So they took him. I mean, people are shouldn't do that with somebody. You try, don't look like I think, well, I absolutely look at a cop. Okay, okay, multiple times, like people have said, like that guy's an undercover cop except for the fact that you're, you know, a comedian. Is that your cover, that you're a comedian? The truth? What I'm saying, Like no, like I'm saying like uber passengers have thought I was an undercover cop. Interesting, when we were on Hollywood Boulevard, one of the street performers like grabbing the other stup performers and pointed straight at me and went, do you have great guys a cop? Do you have great pasture? Do you have great cost a good posture? That's a copsture? This all the time. Yeah, that's a police it's the belt. They got the thumbs in the in the vest. The FBI showed up and they were like, phil Off, dude, R has been investigating this case. Thirteen, they arrested a guy named Ross Olbricht. Oh wow, they were falling for a minute. Yeah, so well not him. So in twenty thirteen. October one, twenty thirteen, they arrested a guy named Ross Olbricht who went by the user name dread Pirate Roberts. He founded a little dark website a website on the dark web. The Silk Road and the Silk Road was a ubiquitous dark website for years, where that's like setting yourself up to fail. The silk Rug silk Rug. As soon as somebody arrested him, they're like, oh, the rug pulled out from beneath you, isn't it. That's just why you will silk Road, So okay, that's different. But as soon as he got arrested, they were like, you chose that road, you know it works. You still got to have a good like detective lineah when you get somebody. But that's what was true. That's part of the process. And you create like you know you're creating a dark website. You're not. You don't. I only use light mode. You don't have to. You can take the time to think about it before you name it something like the silk Road. I mean, the silk World is kind of a cool name for it. I mean, that's just stealing those it was the actual Silk Road. Silk Road was eBay for illegal stuff, and so it was drugs and hacker wear and these guns and just anything stolen and illegal was on the site. And it was all done with bitcoin and what you would do what the lady posted my hats on there, probably the one that stole your box, that'd be I seized the site after they arrested, and now they operate it and got some stolen stuff. They also missed the opportunity to call it steel bad. Check out our check out our pop up shop, and so they the way they did it was kind of clever because bitcoin, every time a transaction happens to Bitcoin, it goes into the blockchain and you can track everything that happened. Well, what they did is they did a thing called mixing, So every time money went through this site, it mixed everybody's money together, and so it was like here's a whole bunch of tras transactions and it was still technically traceable, but it was such a jumbled mess that it would be nearly impossible to track where each of those individual coins came from. So he mixed it all up. It was money laundering, but digitally digital laundry. Yeah, just like neo pets. They had clothes right tell the story, to tell the story. And so our friend Jimmy, when he was in college and developed that cocaine habit, he was like, hey, this would be a great place to get cocaine. Yeah, And so he started purchasing cocaine on steel, bear on on silk, rude steel on soid and so he's buying this cocaine. He doesn't do it for long because he realizes that his local dealer had better stuff. Order online, but that was his downfall. Well, one day, the way it worked is you would deposit all your funds in, you'd make your purchase, and then you'd withdraw whatever leftover funds that you had, and so you kind of left him on your account just to make the purchase. Then you pulled him out. Well, they'd get mixed in and then you pull him out, and then it was theoretically untraceable. One day, he's on that site and he goes withdraw and he just kind of like flinches or something and double clicks and realizes that it double withdraw, So he got twice as much money money, and he was like, that's interesting, and so he tries it. He makes a deposit and he double clicks again and it works, and so he's like, wow, I know how that goes. And so he sits down and he starts doing some investigation. Double click and so highs this is active day. This is a wiggle two point zero. Wow. If only were that easy. Oh, I figure those out with coke rewards too. Type in the thing and if you double click, redeem double the coke awards. We bought an RV that way. Nice. Uh. So he invests, or I shouldn't say invests. He invests some time to figure out how much money, how much bitcoin is actually in the silk road, because it can only pull much they like it has. The money has to exist for him to be able to pull it. It figures out there's about fifty thousand dollars in bitcoin in that site, and so he makes a deposit and then he just clicks clicks a whole bunch up to where he withdraws the entire site's worth of bitcoin. Okay, and then he's like, sweet, I got a bunch of bitcoin. Well. Ross All finds out about this, and he's like, hey, let me steal a briefcase. Let me check out your fence. Here's the thing. It mixed everything up, and so it still got mixed. It was still hard to trace. But Ross was able because obviously he's like, all the money's wrong on my site. He was able to follow all of those chains and realize they all went back to a common place and was like, because it's the same wallet address, when he should have been smarter about that. So he tracked this guy down and he reached out to him and was like, hey, let's be friends. He's like, hey, thanks for finding that vulnerability on my site. Could you tell me how you did that? And he told him I actually clicked. He told him how he did it, and he actually sent Jimmy an extra five thousand bitcoin for exposing this vulnerable. Wow, thanks for stealing from me. Man, here's five thousand dollars. And so we need better criminals today. So he takes that what he takes that money that bitcoin? Did he did he like give him? Well, no, he says, he says, I mean it got patched, so that wasn't airn actual vulnerbilityymore. But he's got a lot of bitcoin, fifty bitcoin, and so he says, well, this is worth a lot, and it looks like this is going to keep going up, and so he does the one thing he never did, and he says, I'm going to save this, I'm gonna hold onto this, I'm not going to party with this because he's got a lot of legitimate bitcoin he can party with. And so he takes the whole motherboard out of that computer, wraps it in a towel, and puts it in one of those Christmas popcorn containers. Yeah, okay, this one. I just want to say, where do you hide your money? Yeah? And he hit it. I'll tell you where we hide our money. Yeah, where is it? He hesitated. It's in his cat. It's in the fourth cat, the fourth cat. And so he hides that away. Why do you think Lenny's so fat? It makes sense. It's all coming together now. He's a pillow pet. Open up the stuff. That's where he's been hiding it ever since. His dad. Didn't patten it right away. He just hid his money in there and then and so he left that. He let that sit there. And when he did this heist, this double click heist, it was worth about thirteen million dollars that he was able to pull out of out of the silk road. When he was arrested the value of the bitcoin on that motherboard had rose to three point eight billion dollars. Oh wow, cow, because it went up because it wasn't like eighty thousand dollars a bitcoin. Yeah, it went up a lot, and the FBI was like, we got to figure out how to make that ours. Here's the thing. This guy honestly like the majority of the money that he was spending in his everyday life, he had earned legitimately. Majority of the stuff he did, except for the drug stuff was legal. It was kind of sad, but legal. This this thing was in a weird way. It's hard to say whether or not this action was legal or not. Like he was using a dark website that was where a lot of illegal money went through, but he didn't purchase anything illegal with this thing. He stole money from someone to put money in and just pulled more money out than he put in. Yeah, he was breaking a lot of laws. Yeah, and so he the the courts were having a hard time figuring out what they could charge him with because it was not none of it was real. There was no real laws against all them. And then then the guy that he ended up stealing from gave him more money. So I mean he was like he was going to press chargers or anything. Yeah, that guy was, and that guy's in prison. He's not getting any of that money back, So it's not like they're going to charge him against him. So what they ended up figuring out was part of the Ross, part of the Ross, the Ross all brikes case. Whenever he got arrested. Part of the terms of that was Ross had to turn over all the funds that he earned through Silk Roade, which was about nine billion dollars. But holy cow dude, he could only account for one billion that he turned over, and so there was still eight billion out there that the FBI was trying to track down that they said is technically theirs to seize whenever they could track it down. The issue is they were pretty confident that the majority of that bitcoin was likely already in circulation, which is an interesting point. If you have purchased bitcoin, there's a pretty good chance that, technically speaking, under this case belongs to the FBI, even if you obtained it legitimately, because it passed through the silk Road, it's technically a part of this. And they say about a lot of like, you know, because art, dealing in art had to do with a lot of people, you know, you could value it whatever you wanted and so it was clandestine, and people do the same thing with cryptocurrency because it's not real. Yeah, and so I'm not surprised by that. Yeah. So that at any point, if the FBI could figure out that your bitcoin was connected to the Silk Road, they could just say, hey, that's ours crazy, which is nuts. And that's what they did with this case. So they seized three billion dollars from a good thing. We've got that blockchain, and what they they sentence them to a year and a day in prison. Sees that three billion dollars a year and a day. Yeah, it's a weird sentence. Sixty six great and real strong sense. So he doesn't miss his one year party. Guys, you get a party in jail, Happy jail Birthday, Happy jail Day two, and they beat the crap out of you, one hit for every year you've been in there. So thankfully, thankfully it's from every prisoner. You know, people usually die like seven years in yeah, because that's a lot. Where are all you know that, Because then if all the prisoners are dead and there's less prisoners beating you each year, you survived long enough, that is true, But then the next year you have to punch yourself because like it's your duty, it's your duty as a prisoner. Okay, so like guards. The guards will watch like no, no, no, you your so if you if you had to go to jail, you know, and they take care of all your food and all of me. You know, because you guys have talked about this, Yes, would it still be worth it if you had to endure it? Just just one self inflicted torture, whether by yourself or somebody else, but like one good punch one year. Oh yeah, guaranteed, there's one guarantee normal like every one normal days. Okay, honest, you you look like a so that would be real bad for you. Every thinks you're if you look like a cop, everybody hard time. Yeah, they're gonna think you're either either you're undercover or turned dirty. And that's word tell that's so strange. A year and a day of prison. Yeah, so he does prison for a year and a day. And it's interesting the investigator I watched a like CNN interview and he said, he said, you know, it's interesting. What Jimmy did was he kind of accidentally stole from ross Olbricht. But if he hadn't done that, and we seized that bitcoin when we arrested ross Olbricht, we would have seized thirteen million dollars, but because of what Jimmy did, we seized three point eight billion dollars. So he kind of helped us out a lot. That so annoying, but it's like super helpful that he did that. But so we're still thankful for his crimes. So now he's any way, I gotta get on my boat. He's he's served his Yeah, this sentence, he's he got out, and now he's a lift driver in Georgia. No way, Yeah, because I mean he can't get to bitcoin anymore. All that's gone. His real estate investments dried up because it's obviously what about the about Memphis. Yeah, so that guy got screwed in the deal because he had already like started making the moves because they come. But yeah and then yeah, so he got caught in my back. So that was a pretty big bummer. Yeah, So this is an interesting story because it's hard for me to say that this guy was a criminal. I think, like that's what I said. I said, he didn't realize he did anything wrong because he stole from an illegal place. What about the cocaine, Now he got a felony for the cocaine and like, yeah, being on the silk road probably was bad, but at this point it's been like seven years. Actually that all happened. Dealing of the money, I really can't fault him for because he just double clicked and then the guy I gave him five thousand dollars for it, So the guy thanked him for it, like he can't get in trouble. He's like, I don't think he thought he could get in trouble for that anymore. I think he was just like, I'm gonna let that grow as big as i can let that grow, and at some point I'm going to pull that out, but I'm just gonna let that grow. Yeah, that's interesting. Anything else he did his limitations on, like theft, Yeah, you know that's a good because if you steal let's say one hundred thousand dollars and you just dump it into the stock market, right, yeah, and then the statute notations run out on your theft se that's like eighty years later. I think it depends on the value. Can you still pull that out? Because I think that's the thing is like the FBI really went through a lot of hoops to figure out how they could seize that money because they were like, that's a lot of money. We need that. Sure. I think if it's enough money, they're gonna be like They're like, we're going to figure out. We got to figure out how to figure out how this we thought about who thought I was killing about? Just you know, he lives at Lake Lanear. He lives at Lake Lanear. 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In 2013, a young man named Jimmy discovered a vulnerability on the notorious dark web marketplace Silk Road that allowed him to steal $13 million worth of bitcoin. At the time, this was an unfathomable sum of money. Little did Jimmy know, this impulsive theft would make him the accidental mastermind behind one of the biggest bitcoin heists in history. … Read More

Gua Kellogg – A Pioneering Tale of Human-Chimpanzee Interaction in Psychology

11-28-23

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Made by robots for robots. Only read if you’re weird.

Jaron Myers 0:00 Hey man, what's the rub? Dude? Tim Stone 0:04 You for that? I don't know. I still don't know why I said that. I don't either. I've been saying it a lot lately. So here's the rub. Have you ever heard of Louella and with rope Kellogg? Jaron Myers 0:18 What are we doing his brothers? Tim Stone 0:19 They're actually on Kellogg not related at all. Okay, which I really wish they were and honestly, when you hear this story, you checks out. Jaron Myers 0:28 Leaders. How do they nail that dude? No way. Are you lying? I guess in a sense, somewhat, Hey, call on it's like, because when he goes, it's not a call. That's different than when he goes Yes. As you're 100% you're so close. Because that's when he goes. Tim Stone 0:52 Yeah, it's not a call it it's a podcast. Jaron Myers 0:57 That's our merch. Tim Stone 1:02 Yeah, sorry. Can you put Google on the phone for a second? Jaron Myers 1:23 Things I Learned last night? Tim Stone 1:33 No, okay. So Jaron Myers 1:33 these, this was a couple Tim Stone 1:35 Louella and with rope, Kellogg, they were married. They met in college, and they were science. Jaron Myers 1:45 Science School. Okay, what they do at Science School. So they've. Tim Stone 1:54 And Winthrop was really interested in the nature versus nurture discussion. And so during his master's, he kind of put together his whole master's thesis on how you would test whether it was nature or nurture. 19 The 1920s Jaron Myers 2:11 You got to separate twins. Well, Tim Stone 2:14 close. He said, You got to start a cult. That's not what he said. But he put together this whole thesis of how he would do it. And what he wanted to do was he said, if we could raise a child, and monitor that child from infancy, and see how they grow up, and then raise another child, from infancy and see how that child grows up and monitor that child from infancy. But the twist is that second child is a chimpanzee. Jaron Myers 2:46 All right, I mean, the results will work out, huh, he said we'll see is that we say if it really is nurture over nature, we should be able to raise that chimpanzee to be a pretty human, a chimpanzee. That's what year was this? is late, like the late 1920s. Gosh, I wish I was I wish I lived back then. Because it's so much easier to get into science school. They let that guy in. They were like, That's a good thought. It's Tim Stone 3:12 such a good idea. So he puts together this thesis. He doesn't get to actually do the experiment, though, is just a theoretical thing. Okay. And they were like, Yeah, sure. This passes, whatever. Okay, yeah, you get a degree for this. All right. Jaron Myers 3:30 Can you get a job science boy, Tim Stone 3:33 happy science school, I Jaron Myers 3:34 guess. Happy Science School. Tim Stone 3:37 He went on to be Bill Nye. Now he so him and his wife got married. And then they moved to any one of their names Thelma and Louise Louella. And Winthrop, Walla Walla, and went went thrown through. And then they had a child, they named him Donald. And then they Jaron Myers 3:57 had another child. And he's like, here's my chance. Tim Stone 4:03 So then, when their child was about seven months old, they said, Hey, we could we could do the experiment. And so they go to Florida. And they find a zoo. And they ask if they could take home one of the chimps is Jaron Myers 4:18 a Travis story. Kind of, they raise a monkey Tim Stone 4:22 kinda kinda. It's not quite a Travis story, because this is, yeah, it's not Jaron Myers 4:26 quite the Travis story, because in this story, that kid ripped off a neighbor's face. That is crazy. That is nurture. They nurture that into them. So Tim Stone 4:37 they go to the zoo. Yeah. And lo and behold, the zoo in Florida has a 10 month old chimpanzee so right? And Jaron Myers 4:43 they're like, Can I have it and the zoo was like, ah, we don't like it. Tim Stone 4:47 She was like, why? And they were like, don't worry. We went to science school. And they said, Okay. Jaron Myers 4:54 Okay. So they took this chimpanzee Tim Stone 4:56 home with them, and they put together a plan For a big experiment, and I don't understand exactly what happened here, there's not a lot I was trying to figure this out. Not a lot of documentation on this part of the story. Yeah. I difficult Jaron Myers 5:11 poor to understand. That's hard board. Tim Stone 5:15 I don't know, if they were backed by any institution or an investor who funded this project. I think they just quit their jobs. And we're like, Let's study this for a while. I can't tell but it's 1930. They got this chimp and moved back to Indiana. And they every day would wake up in the morning. And they would arrays Donald and the chimp who's the chimps name was gua. Which sounds like they let the chimp name the chimp. Yeah, the mom chimp. Jaron Myers 5:46 Where do you want your name to be? Goo? Gah. Gua gua. Tim Stone 5:50 Okay, nice. I like that. Jaron Myers 5:53 Imagine growing up with a chimpanzee sibling. And like, it's probably one of the situations in Indiana where they just gotta like, the neighbors meet this family. Because like they're trying to nurture it, right? They're trying to raise it as a normal kid. Yeah. And the neighbors are like, and they're like, how many kids you guys have? Like, oh, we have two beautiful children, Donald and gua. And they're like, Oh, cool. Tim Stone 6:15 That's okay. Yeah, she's adopted. Yeah, we got her in Florida a couple years ago. Jaron Myers 6:19 That's awesome. That's you from Florida. So International, Florida. That's crazy. Yeah. And Tim Stone 6:25 she's not like the other kids. Yeah, she's a little different. Oh, Jaron Myers 6:30 what years is like the 30s? Okay, and then they meet this family that has Yeah, they Tim Stone 6:41 invite them over for dinner. The whole family? Yeah, bring the kids. They sit down at the table. All the kids are playing and they don't want Jaron Myers 6:51 flies into the living room. hits the wall super hard. Like sorry, girl likes to play rough. Yeah, no, Tim Stone 7:00 man. Good shot. Yeah, yeah, she punches like 220. Pretty quick. Jaron Myers 7:03 Ever play for the football team? Oh, this she asked for? She hasn't told us. We keep asking. She's not sure either. Oh. Tim Stone 7:19 Okay, so the reason they decided to raise Donald and gua like their siblings, okay. Donald is obviously a little boy who was a little girl chimpanzee. Jaron Myers 7:29 And they creators and stuff. She complains and she's older. She's like, none of the Barbies looked like me. All right, career, unrealistic expectations. Tim Stone 7:41 And so she, they raised them together. And every day they had like a regimented schedule. they'd eat breakfast with them together. And then they would go to experiment time. They would do a handful of experiments with the two of them, and then they would eat lunch, and then they would do some more experiments and they would eat dinner. They would take a bath, and then it was bedtime. That was pretty much their life for like a year. While they did all Jaron Myers 8:02 this. I mean, yeah, they're gonna be they're gonna be affording to pay for stuff. Tim Stone 8:05 Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how this that part of the story work because they had a very regimented schedule. It wasn't like they had a day job, but they were going to and coming back and testing this stuff at night. Like it was. Jaron Myers 8:18 Yeah, kids say late at night, I get home and run some tests on my kids. Tim Stone 8:24 Excuse me? Yeah. Oh, already. One of them's a champ. Jaron Myers 8:26 It's the 1930s. So I'm not going to ask any questions. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not really I don't care. I got other stuff to worry about, like I'm depressed. Tim Stone 8:37 I literally just lost all my money. So I couldn't care less about what you do with your chip. So they every day are doing these tests. And it's interesting, like a lot of them are kind of the behavioral tests like you would expect, where they're asking questions or trying to get certain behaviors out of them like trying to potty train like, human potty train the chimp, which actually works out pretty well for them. After about a year, the chimp. After about a year, the chimp learns a handful of human II things. Okay, so the champ will learn how to communicate that it needs to go to the bathroom by kind of a Jaron Myers 9:18 lifespan of a chimpanzee though. Tim Stone 9:19 I'm not sure let's see. But like, you know, have you played the Sims? Jaron Myers 9:25 Yes. Your bear is doing with that aren't you? Know you're gonna say so Tim Stone 9:32 females in captivity live to be 39 and men live to be 32 I'll say Jaron Myers 9:40 men. Males. Yeah, men is man. So So 39 I mean, like their lifespan is half so I mean, are they developing twice as fast as one? Yes. Okay. So one year for them is two years for Tim Stone 9:58 Yeah. So they started noticing Yeah, it was picking up certain things quicker than Donald was. It could walk. Jaron Myers 10:03 Yeah, it could walk. It could say it's ABC. Tim Stone 10:08 It could walk it could eat with a spoon that was eaten with silverware. Jaron Myers 10:11 I guess we can call it we can cut we can say she was eating Tim Stone 10:14 with silverware. So this is them training. Jaron Myers 10:16 That's a real that's a real monkey. Tim Stone 10:18 This is this is the two of them actually is children. Donald and the chimpanzees gorillas, okay. Jaron Myers 10:31 Donald looks like he knows. He's like, he's like, Donald looks like my sister's not easy. We can cut the crap, right? But I know that this is an abnormal situation. Okay, what's the next picture? They're both where their diapers and they're both when their diapers. Tim Stone 10:45 Little younger their Donald's feet are very dirty. Jaron Myers 10:49 He's got shoes on. He's wearing shoes. Sure. Yeah. Well, either way. He's got someone. Yeah. He's also wearing shoes. No. Tim Stone 10:59 Playing with a phone. You're masking painted fingernails. Jaron Myers 11:05 I don't think this is such a high quality photo. Also. No, it's the 30s That's not the phone they were using. Get this out of here when you put this in here for it's funny. Tim Stone 11:18 But yeah, so they're raising them. And yes, the chimp is developing a little bit faster than Donald is okay. He's able to eat with silverware. She she's able to eat with somewhere she is able to say like, communicate that she has to go the restroom Jaron Myers 11:30 is gender my champion. She, she will Tim Stone 11:33 like The Sims. And so like, you know, when the students have to go to the bathroom, and they like throw up their arms, like, ah, you know what I'm talking about? Like, if you take the door away from the bathroom. You don't? Yeah, that's what the chip does. And shows. She'll like start screaming. And like, then they're like, oh, it's it's bathroom time. And so then they'll take her to the bathroom. And she knows how to use the bathroom. And it's a young few month old chip. Okay, and so they train the chimp to use the restroom. They also were able to train the chimp to understand a lot of language, not speak a lot of language. Yeah, understand a lot of language and they learned they were able to identify that because at first it was just kind of tones like dogs like Yeah, right? Yeah, they understand. Oh, hey, that's uh, you're mad at me for something. But gua was able to learn the actual words. Because they would say amen. Monotones and she was able to respond in an appropriate response. bathroom. Jaron Myers 12:31 Bathroom. She would just pee on through through Yeah, it's through the Tim Stone 13:10 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked this one, we got a lot of great past episodes that you can check out. One of my recent favorites is Frank Abagnale, Jr. It's the dude from the movie cast me if you can. And it's the story about how he scammed everybody into really big scam. There's one scam that's like the scariest of scams I've ever heard someone's scam. So check that one out. It's a fun one. I like it a lot. But thanks for being here. But they would say things like, they would identify body parts. Like they'd say nose and she would touch her nose. And they would say she would touch your ears. And so like she understood. I think they said that she understood 90 words, she could understand 90 words and correctly respond to those those actions that would be appropriate when? Okay, that's words. Jaron Myers 14:03 I mean, they get really when you think about it, we're all just trained to respond to words. Tim Stone 14:07 I mean, yeah, it's kind of the same thing. You know, we know if you think about it, all the stuff that we're saying right now is made up. If Jaron Myers 14:15 you think about everything that comes over my friend that was just completely conglomerate of things we've been taught. It's just a bunch of sound graded into our brains. Tim Stone 14:24 If we want if we decided to, if we decided decided, if we decided these words meant something different, they would they would just mean a memory. That was a professor at college used to say that. Okay, like he would be he'd Jaron Myers 14:35 be like, Oh, my middle school band teacher said that. So I mean, like that same intellect. No, it was. Tim Stone 14:39 Who was it? Honestly, Smedley? He would say he'd say, yeah, like words are just, they're just made up. He's like, so there's nothing as because people would be like, that's not a real word. He's like, yes, it is. And Jaron Myers 14:53 what you're saying is, he would say something incorrectly, someone would go that's not how you say that word. He goes, Yeah, it is. Me You know, he's like he's like, tell me what Toyota quickly is. Tim Stone 15:03 Well, his point, his point was his point was a word. It's just a set of sounds that that's what I'm saying. And he's like, he's like, Do you know what I mean? Now you Jaron Myers 15:10 go, Oh, that's a chair. But if we decide that that's now, you know, falafels we go, oh, that's where philosophy is over Tim Stone 15:18 there that's worth $200,000. If we just say it's worth one, then it's worth one. Yeah, Jaron Myers 15:22 that's exactly how the housing market works. Thank you for explaining that to us. So they're the cheapest. I don't like the words in this book. I really like the pictures. That's a cool one. Tim Stone 15:39 The chip is developing faster than Donald at this rate. And Unknown Speaker 15:44 the chip is starting to show a handful of behaviors Tim Stone 15:47 that Jaron Myers 15:49 actually can you pull it back up? Do you see Oh, goody follows come me. Terrain. You put that's on positive reinforcement. Tim Stone 16:00 That's nurture right there. Jaron Myers 16:01 That's all nurture that once you guys get in, tell us I'm a chimpanzee. We just shave every day. Yeah. Okay. Do chimps have to wear this podcast? Before we record? Jared comes in with one of those razors. Just shaved my whole body. I have to do it for you. He does it. Yeah, you haven't learned yet. That's what Patreon Tim Stone 16:23 is for. Hopefully we can hire someone soon to do that. Yeah. It's really in Jaron Myers 16:27 search of. It's on indeed. It's like monkey shaver. Search of tube shaver. Chimp. Chimpanzees have tails. Tim Stone 16:38 I think they have nubs. Okay. Yeah. I don't know that for sure. But I think so. Okay. I know they don't have tails. Yeah, evidently they haven't done anything. Jaron Myers 16:46 Chimpanzees and monkeys Tim Stone 16:48 are different. Yeah, they're different. Yes, they're different animals. Jaron Myers 16:51 I agree. But at the end of the day, it's all made up. It's all made up anyways. So if we decide they're called chairs the Tim Stone 17:00 chimp gua she starts she starts displaying a lot of characteristics similar to a young child. For example. She when she's rebel Jaron Myers 17:13 she comes home wearing leather leather bikes. I'm talking to my friend. She's on the phone, on the phone talking to her friends. Friends dead. Do know what it's like to be a chimp in the 30s. slams her door it shatters so strong. So she she like for example, she's tired. She starts to like doze off and like startles her awake. I don't know if chimps do that for a while. But that was something that they took note of. We nurtured that into her fear, anxiety. They're like, I don't have anxiety. We do though. Humans do. Tim Stone 18:01 She watched the stock market very closely. Now, she, they gave her a crib to sleep in. And she like really enjoyed sleeping in the crib. And then if they took the crib away and made her sleep on the floor, like normal chimps, she threw a giant fit. So she really came to enjoy the crib, which I think most living creatures would enjoy having a place to sleep. One thing that they noted is that she did create a nest in their crib. So she took a bunch of blankets and built a nest like a champ in the wilds there. Jaron Myers 18:33 So we didn't ask nature. Yeah, we teach. What's crazy is that the chimpanzee taught Donald that though. Donald also built in the kid share a room. I don't know if they shared a room. I know they were raised again. I don't know if they shared a room that does seem like a liability. Yeah. The principal calls home is like Yeah, Mr. Kellogg gua today bit one of the other classmates Yeah, we didn't we didn't nurture her to do that. Nurture that that's nature. Yeah, that's yeah, that's a natural sign. You could thank God for that one. You're gonna have to take it up with him. Let me give me a second. I mean, talk to my wife real quick. Hey, did you teach Gu what a bipedal was that it? No, no. Yeah, that's not our fault. Yeah, sorry. Can you put go on the phone for a second? You're in when you Are they homeschooling Donald? Well, Tim Stone 20:05 infants, their toddlers Oh, there's no school yet. So she is learning how to live like a human kid. Donald and and GEWA ended up forming a really close bond. Gua is seems to be a little closer to Donald the Donald is to go up. But Donald still is close with Cuba. They play together all the time. Every time Donald walks in room go, it gets really excited and runs over and hugs him. But it's like they're real siblings. Like there's a there's a bot a clear and obvious bond between the two. Yeah. And so they're doing all these experiments to see how they're developing and how they're growing up. And whether or not gua is in fact learning how to be a human. There are some early signs of it. But there's also some signs that she's still a chimpanzee. Jaron Myers 20:54 Like, like a wolf. Boy, what gives it away? Tim Stone 20:59 Well, like the nesting, Jaron Myers 21:01 and the chimpanzee appearance. Tim Stone 21:04 Well, it's interesting, you bring that up, because there's kind of two sides of this experiment. There's a side where they're watching their behavior. And that is something that probably makes sense to do in this experiment. That seems like that's the purpose of this whole experiment. But then there's there's the developmental side where they're looking at appearance. And there's literal notes we have of them. Jaron Myers 21:24 Were starting to look more human. Where they're Tim Stone 21:27 literally being like, yeah, go it looks a lot more like a champ than Donald does, like stuff like that. Jaron Myers 21:39 You were just science school. And you're in your Indiana home writing Gulas Tim Stone 21:43 face looks pretty monkey today. Jaron Myers 21:50 Somebody says, yeah, and then Donald looks like a boring old human. Tim Stone 21:57 Despite all efforts, gua is not turning into human Jaron Myers 22:02 yet, yet evolving, Tim Stone 22:05 evolving. Thank you. And so he's he's testing the actual development. So he puts together some questionable tests for this, okay. One of them. This is really bad. One of them. He decides, hey, I'm going to see how their bone structure is coming together. And so what he decides is the best way to test this recording or bones is he takes a spoon and he Thomsen both on the head and analyzes the sound that it makes and determines that gua has had it skull is developing faster than Donald scarless because it sounds firmer than Donald's skull sounds when he Thomsen with a spoon. And to also like, what year is this? 1930? Yeah, so there's not like, yeah, audio tools? No. Yeah, this is literally saying, Yeah, that sounds. Yeah. Jaron Myers 23:03 And also, yeah, what could go wrong? Where you thump a chimpanzee on the head? Or a child cares about? He's fine. Tim Stone 23:14 Yeah, so that's questionable. Another thing that is so Jaron Myers 23:16 durable, you know, like, you can drop those things. Yeah, Tim Stone 23:19 it's true. Actually, Jaron Myers 23:21 I ended up going about it, they're gonna forget about I don't remember anything I won't remember, especially after you drop them. Another thing that they Tim Stone 23:26 would do is they would sit at a table. Another very questionable thing, they would sit up at a table and then behind them, like right behind them, they would fire a gun and see how they reacted. Like gua was more startled than Donald or whatever. Donald seem to be scared or have the gun. Jaron Myers 23:52 Today, this is one of their daily exercise daily Tim Stone 23:57 goes daily, but doesn't regularly enough because you got to repeat the just see if the data is accurate. And so there, okay, so Jaron Myers 24:03 you're a chimpanzee, right? You're living with a human family. Let's reverse it. Let's say our chimpanzee family has adopted you as a human. And every few days, they're hitting you on the head with spoons, and firing guns behind you. At a certain point, you're gonna lose it at certain point, you're like, why are you doing bro? Stop it. Stop doing that. Tim Stone 24:28 I keep trying to tell you but you're you're speaking a different language. Jaron Myers 24:30 So this sounds like they were trying to nurture some really bad kids. Unknown Speaker 24:33 Well, what they're trying to Tim Stone 24:35 they're just trying to see how they react to stuff kinda it's there's a side of it, where they're just seeing what's the reaction to stuff there's other Jaron Myers 24:41 side of it where they give affection and and yeah, they're trying to raise them as they would their child while also doing some weird experiments. Yeah, yeah. But it's the 1930s. So who knows? Maybe this is how they would raise their child to begin with assurance like they could this could be like he could have been brought up. He's like, Well, my dad fired a gun right behind me every breakfast every morning. Yeah. And it made me unafraid. Every morning my dad would fire to bullets and that's when we knew it was time to leave for school. Tim Stone 25:15 Yeah, every night he'd hit it on the head with the spoon. He said it was the skull fairy. Jaron Myers 25:22 Do you think the tooth fairy? This is a random fraud? I had the Tooth Fairy haggles on the price for some of these people's teeth. You know saying haggling with Tim Stone 25:33 got bad teeth like it? Does he wake them up and Jaron Myers 25:35 be like, Hey, your skulls pretty developed. But you have bad teeth. This one's only worth 50 cents. I was gonna leave you $1 But this tooth sucks. And the next morning I kid says the the tooth fairy came last night told me fairy woke me up and was going back and forth. We negotiated for like an hour. And like Tim Stone 25:58 I slipped price across the table. And he's led a counteroffer. And then he's Jaron Myers 26:02 like, let me go talk to my manager. And I was like, This is a classic. And I could tell he wasn't a good sales because he didn't have six pack abs. I was like this fat to me. Fat please grab this fat. Sell me, dude. So anyways, Mom, Tim Stone 26:23 what I'm trying to say is you need to take me to the orthodontist, I need to get some more valuable teeth before I lose them all. I Jaron Myers 26:29 gotta raise my own value before I can expect someone else to see it. You know, how can I expect someone else to care about my value? Hey, it's me again. Thanks for being here for this episode. If you like what we're doing, it does cost us money to do this. And so just think about that. You know, that's it. We have Patreon supporters. And it really helps us to make this show possible. Honestly, we're so grateful for everyone who listens to the show. But there's, there's people who want to make more of it happen and so they financially support the show. And you get a lot back for it. You get our private discord where we chat every day we're hanging out and just getting to bond and hang out. We also do live zoom Hangouts for our Patreon supporters. 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One thing I think about is you know you're gonna finish that thought came up was like you know, Santa comes for all gives different gifts if you're good or bad, but the Tooth Fairy doesn't care. Yeah, the tooth is the yard school. Yeah. I want you to Tim Stone 28:40 use failure in his millions because he's got to have a lot of money to be buying all these Jaron Myers 28:43 cells but he takes him with the caps on him. So oh, Tim Stone 28:46 he's upselling these there's a there's a dark website where he's selling these tees. upselling silk Jaron Myers 28:53 road.com Sell tooth? Yeah. Anyway, you want to buy some teeth. Anybody wants some ice? Tim Stone 29:08 So these kids are grown up together and gua is another interesting thing about gua is she she starts to learn some like mannerisms and behaviors too. For example, by the time she was a year old, she could open doors so she could walk through around the house and open doors and walk through. She also understood that light switches turned on the lights. And so she both would operate light switches. But also if she saw someone reaching for a light switch, she would turn and look at the light bulb. So she understood what was happening there. She also loved animals when she was really young. So if she saw like a dog or a cat, she would go and pet it until I think she's about 13 months old. She found a dog and the dog was running from her and she thought the dog was playing. And so she kept chasing it thinking they were playing together. But the dog was not happy and The dog turned and barked at her like really aggressive, and that traumatized her for the rest of her life. She was deathly afraid of any animal dogs cats over really birds and trees. She would like cower in fear and run away from any other animal. Wow. Which was an interesting behavior. nurtured that is a nurturer behavior. She, she would if there was another Jaron Myers 30:26 dad lend out the dog. Go get them. Yeah, that's scare this kid. Scared the chip. Yeah, they did it with the kid too. But the kid doesn't didn't remember. He's your dog. The kid actually came back and say with all the dogs teeth. care how bad that dog was? I just wanted to stay on this data you can talk I mean, I mean wait a minute. Are you a Ukrainian 28 year old? Baby was an adult. They hired a baby. It's an experiment we're doing. It pays 30,000 a year, which is the 30s That's pretty good. I'm a baby. They jumped out for bed and they pull them in the other room for its performance review. Go home. You're good. Like Tim Stone 31:38 I gotta be honest with you, man. That wasn't very baby of you today. Jaron Myers 31:40 I know. Dude. My real child kept me up all night. He's got a family at home you know. Story I hate I hate this bit. David Buss Are you think there's gonna be any chimps there? Oh. No, there any chimps there? What are the chimps like at that place? Huh? The What if there was nurture versus nature? Tim Stone 32:14 Gua whenever they would bring other other kids would come over gua would gravitate towards the kids and play with the kids like, okay, child. What? If an adult came over though? She behaved similar to a child and was like really shy and was awkward around them? Because she didn't have anything in common. She didn't understand the stock market yet. Yeah. So like the conversation is just bored her. So there's some things where it's like, Ah, she's kind of behaving like a kid. But then there was a plot twist. About 15 months into the experiment. They started to notice that they felt like Donald's development was falling behind. He was able to say a couple words, but he they noticed that he was starting to make chimp noises to communicate. Jaron Myers 33:03 No, yeah. So no way, Riley Tim Stone 33:07 and saying things in the same way that Google would because Google was developing a little bit faster than him. Well, I mean, there. And so yeah, so Donald was starting to have mannerisms and act similar to the chimp. But the chimp. And the chip did kind of act like a child as well, but they kind of influenced each other. And they were like, Oh, this is we don't want our kid to grow up to be your guy. So they abruptly overnight, cut the experiment short when they realize this, because they kind of freaked out. They're like, Oh, no, we're messing up our kid. And they drove back to Florida. Jaron Myers 33:46 Let her lose the chip. And they said, Hey, remember last year when we took this chip from you guys? You want her back? No, she can't go live in the zoo. So they let her Tim Stone 33:56 back. And they took her sadly, the other chimps killed her. No, not that not that. But sadly, she did get sick a year later passed away. And Donald gave her the sickness which is got life in prison for it. Now Donald grew up and I actually became a scientist as well was relatively relatively successful ish in science. I don't know how Jaron Myers 34:26 but he always had that weird tick you always get angry. You doing got that chimp in me? Tim Stone 34:38 So yes, they kind of prove their theory that there was some nurture but there was obviously nature to so they published this paper and they published it in like plain English. It's now they published it in plain English because they wanted it to be like Unlike Time Magazine, not in like scientific journals, they tried to make it like normal. So it wasn't what's happening, Jaron Myers 35:06 y'all. We raised two kids plot twist. One of them was a chimpanzee Tim Stone 35:13 hashtag mom. Jaron Myers 35:16 Dag mambi. Ma, che Shem mom's? Tim Stone 35:23 Hey, Jim mom here. Yeah. And so they did get picked up and got a lot of media attention. But not a lot of science attention. And the scientists were like, this was a weird idea. And also pretty unethical. So there's a lot of conversation that came out of that, where they're like, We don't like this experiment. This was a weird thing that you chose to do. And also very questionable that you just chose to use your actual kid. Yeah, in this experiment. And also, you didn't even need him. Like, you could have done the nurture side with the chimp without a child. Yeah. And then, but instead, you were hitting your kid on the back of the head with a spoon to see what his thought was developing like, so. They kind of got blacklisted from the science world. But they got pretty popular in the media. They were like, Oh my gosh, this chip was human. And you can see it at the zoo in Florida. For now for a little bit, so but yeah, that's that's the whole story. Their kid kind of kind of turned into chimp a little bit. Jaron Myers 36:22 Still, they nurture that into him, though, Tim Stone 36:23 nurtured it into him. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. They had to have some awkward conversations with their teacher. Yeah. And his boss and his wife Jaron Myers 36:31 he's never been out of and his kids. Yeah. Tim Stone 36:35 Hey, so listen, your dad is kind of a monkey. Jaron Myers 36:43 Yeah, but I mean, like, he turned out okay. Yeah, Tim Stone 36:47 he ended up being alright. Yeah, I Jaron Myers 36:50 mean, so like, you know, Donald grows up and gets married and moves out of the house and stuff. And the chimpanzee, you know, died a lonely death in the zoo. Yeah. Which is like, do you think they felt bad about that? Tim Stone 37:09 I don't think they felt bad about it. I think Donald did. They seem to not care? Like, like, just judging by this experiment? Yeah, they're pretty cold people. Jaron Myers 37:20 Jeez, man. Yeah. Well, when I was growing up, my parents had sent me and my brother right next to each other. And they thumped us in the back of the head. You know, and my dad would like do a couple times he go see if he can hear how hollow my brother's skull is. Yeah, there's not a lot in the nine a lot in there. And then mine sounds very like it's very full. Yeah, like it's his medical condition where it's much yeah, anyway. They sneak up on us and we've received some breakfast needs to sneak up and they go you know, it was like a high pitched screaming Tim Stone 38:08 thanks for watching. If you liked this episode, make sure you subscribe, leave a comment to outweigh all the Grifters. Oh, and then we've got playlists on the screen. You can watch the new videos if you haven't seen them. We have a massive back catalogue. So you should go check them out. And if you want to become a patron you can go to till n.com to do that or buy our merch, whatever you want about it. Thanks for being here. We appreciate you Transcribed by https://otter.ai


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John Edwards Mack – Almost Lost His Job For Alien Abductees

11-21-23

Episode Transcription

Made by robots for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Tim Stone 0:00 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of John Edward Mack? Jaron Myers 0:04 John Edward Mack John ever Mack J Mack? No Tim Stone 0:13 Have you ever heard of like when people say like okay, it's a WWE SmackDown they get it from what they it's comes from his last name. Like that's where they got the idea for that from was yeah a WWE SmackDown Jaron Myers 0:29 was that your attempt at a joke? What is that? It's the truth. Tim Stone 0:32 That's what they got it WWE Mack down he was yeah, he was before the WWE. Jaron Myers 0:41 You do the story part. I'll do like the funny part Tim Stone 0:43 that somebody laughed. If you laughed, leave a review and tell us he laughed. And Jaron Myers 0:48 he didn't laugh. Please don't leave us a review. Let us get to some funnier parts first, Tim Stone 0:53 and then leave a review and say Jaron Myers 0:57 it really does help if you leave a podcast review. Tim Stone 1:01 The man with the big bean eyes told me to kill him Unknown Speaker 1:05 to take you out. No, you are shameless. Jaron Myers 1:08 They all see that you're gaslighting me right now. You're dazzling. You're just slowly pushed up here for the man slowly Tim Stone 1:15 like being I think you're bald. I'm Jaron Myers 1:17 trying to shape. Once here what the shooter has things I learned last night. Tim Stone 1:33 John emack, Edward Mack John Edward Mack. We can call him John. He was a boy born in 1904. Okay, in 1929, to a father who supported father was born in 1904. He was born in 1929 in New York City, to a pretty like, what's the word academic family and he had a father that was like, You got to do your studies and you got to learn your stuff. You know, I want to know that you can play piano and tell me about maths. And he said maths, not math. Yeah, like one of those kinds of dads, you know? Yeah. And so he, he grew up. Jaron Myers 2:19 Have you done your homeworks on how they didn't give us any in school? I'm talking about the school homework. Yeah, I'm talking about your home homework. Yeah. Tim Stone 2:25 And he's like, Oh, I didn't do that homework. And he's like, What did you do your other homework? And he's like, What homework daddy's the homework that you gave yourself. And, and it was like this weird. And then this Jaron Myers 2:36 was watched like weird versions of movies that existed like homework bound. And you're like, What the heck? We review Jaron Myers 2:51 stupid, dumb stuff. Tim Stone 2:55 And his dad is that like, this is an interesting thing that his dad did. They weren't a religious family. But he read his Bible to him and his siblings to like, learn culture. As a Catholic, won't you be cultured? And he's like, so listen to this story. This is a story about a kid with a dad because it's Jaron Myers 3:12 kind of like math and the Bible, Tim Stone 3:16 but not like the Bible, like normal. Like a lot of dads are about the Bible. But it's more like the Bible. Like, hey, you Jaron Myers 3:22 should know this stuff. Listen to this story is the most relevant story to humanity. Tim Stone 3:26 Yeah, but not to him. Okay. So he, he went on to go to medical school, obviously, got his degree in medical school in 1947. Went on to get a graduate degree in 1951. Okay, finally graduated from Harvard in 55. After that, he worked at the Massachusetts General Hospital doing psychology, he was a therapist. Okay. And then, you know, like a lot of people, war happens. And so in 1959, he joined the Air Force and served as a medic in Japan. And rose to the rank of captain was very distinguished in his medical army journey. And then he came back, returned from his military service, and he has a great career in psychotherapy, and studying specifically, people's experiences and how they relate to like, their worldview and how it relates to how they interact with other people in the world. You know, okay, and so like how your, your worldview shapes your behavior, Jaron Myers 4:35 and how your worldview shapes your behavior. I'm here I'm listening. And then he gets his reading like a young adult graphic novel, sorry. And then he went off to war and was a medic, and you're like, what is the shirtless medic? Where are you talking about this? Tim Stone 4:55 So one day while he is at the Washington or back at the Massachusetts General Hospital, Okay, and he's doing psychotherapy is doing psychotherapy. Okay, a client leaves his office and he peered out the window. It's a full moon and watch them walk straight. Backwards, backwards. Jaron Myers 5:12 It's like I gotta be Tim Stone 5:15 words backwards. Now he's looking at his period out the window full moon, his shots were Jaron Myers 5:21 glistening in the full moon as the moon beams shine it Tim Stone 5:28 wipes his hair away from his eyes. Jaron Myers 5:30 He's got a receding hairline but it's still hot. It's so hot Dr. Mac you're seeking Jaron Myers 5:49 male pattern baldness Jaron Myers 6:02 alpha male no male pattern, this is alpha, alpha male pattern baldness. Tim Stone 6:19 So he, he starts studying it's specifically people's worldview and how it shapes their behavior. And then also teams. Just that just teens because we're Yeah, they're weird. And then heroin addicts, those are three kind of areas of expertise that he's studying. And he becomes pretty prominent, gets published 152 scientific journals, actually publishes a number of books as well, sure. And this lands him a job as a professor at Harvard. And within five years, he becomes the director of the psychology program at Harvard, gets tenured, and is like kind of like a, a global name in the psychology field. By the time that eight is rolled around, sure, he's very highly respected. And 9990. He's serving in kind of two capacities. He's a professor, a full time professor. He's directing the Harvard psychology department, and he's doing that. But he's also still has a private practice. And so he's still doing therapy with people, specifically, younger people, but anyone, but specifically, he leaned towards youths, youth. And one day someone comes into his office. And it was an interesting experience for him. Because they tell them a story that typically he his gut response and the rest of the scientific community, probably their response would be, you're a crazy person. But he hears the story. Jaron Myers 7:55 Tim saw my face. I Tim Stone 7:56 love that notice you the moment you notice, it's the best. Jaron Myers 8:01 I hate that you bury the lead on this one, too. All right, what do you tell him? Tim Stone 8:08 So the guy comes in, he tells him a story. I hate that you told Jaron Myers 8:11 me this guy is not relevant to the story at all. Dude, Tim Stone 8:15 no, you actually use here's the point of the story. Okay. So this, this patient, tells him a story. The other night, he was sleeping in his bed, and he was abducted by aliens. And he tells him the whole story. And Dr. Mack notices, he said the response that this individual is having is not a psychotic response. This is a drama. Yeah, he has experienced Yeah, he's like, this is an authentic experience. And he said, I don't know if I would go as far as to say this guy was actually abducted by aliens, but there's some trauma that he experienced sure that he's reliving. Yeah, and this is not a psycho. issue. Yeah. And so he found this very interesting. And so he continued seeing this patient going through the thing with him and did a number of psychoanalysis to see if he actually did have any sort of condition that would explain the man having this experience. Okay. And they couldn't he couldn't find anything that would explain away, right thing. So he put out an ad on Craigslist, and he said, anybody who has been abducted by aliens, I want to talk to you. That's not real. He didn't this was pre Craigslist. But as you say, but he did put out a thing as to Hey, he did go and start, he left out. Jaron Myers 9:32 He left a thing at Starbucks. Does it have you call this number? Let's make fun of you on YouTube. Yeah. So he the number of comments on our voicemail videos, where people are like, these are just innocent people who called in and like they, and you're making fun of them. It's insane. And you're like, all right. Tim Stone 9:55 It's also crazy how quickly that changed because that out and people Jaron Myers 9:59 were like Haha, this is hilarious. Yeah. And then like two years later people like those people have mental issues and you're like, hey, like you're a boy, you have mental issues. You should have one because they want to be a cat. And it's like, no one calling into serious Tim Stone 10:13 no one. Yeah, no one calling in was like, oh, yeah, I Jaron Myers 10:15 want that. Like, yeah, Cat Daddy, you know, like nobody. Yeah, you're the one who you're miserable. And it's your fault. Yeah, that's kind of the message to everybody right now. Is Honestly, you're scrolling social media, you're getting ticked off by everything. And you're making yourself miserable. Tim Stone 10:32 Yep. Yep, exactly. So quit that. Quit doing that. So he, he found 200 individuals who claimed to have been abducted by aliens, over the course of a couple of years, interviews them, does a few sessions with them to understand their experience. Jaron Myers 10:48 See if they've all got that same kind of trauma response kind of stuff to Tim Stone 10:52 see is a common response from some of the other aliens. And what he finds is after interviewing these 200 people, not a single one of them showed any signs of any sort of psychotic break or anything like that. Okay. All of them showed signs of a trauma response. Okay. And so he started kind of raising some red flags and saying, Hey, we always write these people off. But there's something interesting happening here. He also noticed that the experiences were strikingly similar across these people. Here's the most common storyline that he noticed. People were typically at home asleep in their bed. And they woke up to some sort of noise like either a vibrating sound or like a like a I don't know how to describe it, like a shock. Wave type sound. Like, uh, yeah, so that's pretty good. Yeah, that was pretty good again. Yeah. Yeah. Or like a key. Yeah, I'm really good at this. Something like that. Yeah. Jaron Myers 12:04 I can't we we got that on camera. But I'm like, I'm like really good at alien noises Yeah. Tim Stone 12:16 Yeah, if Wow. Jaron Myers 12:20 All right. Tick tock video. No. Oh, you haven't seen that. Oh, there's a girl who's a girl a lady. She I don't know. She's older than us. And she has stepped back from that ledge my friend. She stepped back from that. And it's like the caption is POV. I actually caught myself finding out that I can actually sing like, so now people just do that. As a bit. Yeah. That's a bit. No, she was serious. She was like, she was like, she like she looks at the camera. She goes, oh my gosh, like and she's not good. I was gonna say I was because I saw I saw what last night. We're a girls in the bathroom and she's listening to the eyes. She goes whoa, whoa. Jaron Myers 13:27 I can do with my cotton on camera. I can't believe you're here. That's Jaron Myers 13:37 pretty good. Ready, lady? Seems like I've heard it before. And that's my trauma response. I'm gifted. Don't honk at me while I'm walking. Jaron Myers 13:52 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of things last night. If you like our show, and you want more of it, we have plenty of other episodes. One that I enjoyed was Jose Canseco, you know the baseball player from like the 90s and stuff. But also it's kind of an alien episode. Spoiler alert. So go check that out. Thanks for being here. Thanks for listening. And thanks for watching. And now back to this episode Tim Stone 14:21 so they would hear the sound, it wouldn't wake them up. Yeah. And then they would see a bright light, and then they would lose time. Next thing they would know. They were back in their bed and hours had passed. Sure. And they would have died. They would have pain in their sides. And so many of them also had scars scarring, like actual legitimate scarring that Dr. John Mack said does not seem self inflicted, just because of the location of it. Typically self inflicted wounds are Yeah, Jaron Myers 14:52 where's the scars that are in their side? Right here? Yeah. What kind of scars are we talking? Tim Stone 14:57 Like incision type scars. Oh, yeah. And so kind of strange like, Jaron Myers 15:03 I got a scar here from my appendectomy. Oh, yeah, I Unknown Speaker 15:07 forgot you did that. Yep. Jaron Myers 15:11 I did do that. Thanks for asking. Do we could just we could corporate podcast this? Well, I know. So that's a great question. You know, when I got out of college, I was just kind of floating around. And I was like, fun to do. Yeah. I don't need it. Tim Stone 15:26 I didn't know. Yeah, I felt like hearing this. Wait. Jaron Myers 15:30 There's a lot of stuff in my life where I don't need this. Why do I do that? Why am I holding on to this stuff still? So I just got an appendectomy. Tim Stone 15:38 And, you know, two years later, Jaron Myers 15:40 much lighter. Yeah. Yeah. Also, my parents paid for college. So made it a lot. You know, I didn't have any debt. And I was like, Well, I want to experience what that's like. I Tim Stone 15:48 had a I had a similar experience. I just felt like a lot of what I was trying to do in business. I was getting held back from just like, I had these like, self limiting beliefs, right. And I could feel in my heart that like, I wasn't it. So I called up my doctor. I was like, Doc, I need you to take my heart out. They said we can't do that work. Yeah, but luckily, I found the Lebanon. Jaron Myers 16:14 Got you, Missouri. Tim Stone 16:17 Lebanon, out there, and it took my heart out. And now I don't feel a thing. Basically, or emotionally Jaron Myers 16:25 been better ever said. Yeah. Tim Stone 16:26 It's crazy how much I can get done with no heart, but I have to sleep 16 hours a day. But, but it's okay, because I get more done. I get more done in eight hours that you get in all 24 of yours. Anyways, hey, can you pour some blood? I can't live my arms. I need you to do it for me Jaron Myers 16:49 a little bit. That balloon. Did you call it a balloon? Yeah, it's how it's spelled. Yeah, I Tim Stone 16:59 just yeah. All right. I hate this. So Dr. Beck. Jaron Myers 17:04 He's like their scars that aren't. Tim Stone 17:07 Yeah. And some of them would say that. In that gap where there was last time they would say they remember. They have like, Jaron Myers 17:16 you're touching good memories. today. Yeah, exactly of like Tim Stone 17:18 being in some metallic room where people were operating on them. peoples are stronger beings. We're operating on them. People Jaron Myers 17:26 is a strong word. What is Tim Stone 17:28 what is what's interesting is they came back. And almost all of them. I don't have like a percentage. But I do know, the majority of them said that they felt as though they needed to become like an environmentalist. They're like, we feel like we need to protect the Earth was like they they would wake up and they they would have this Jaron Myers 17:54 urge. I gotta go talk to a tree right now. That tree, that tree would just belittle me, me, me. Oh, we shave you. I'm gonna endanger freedom. I can handle myself. Okay, sorry. All right. They woke up and they were like, We got to save the planet. Yeah. Tim Stone 18:15 So he writes a couple papers about this. And scientific journals are like, we're not publishing this. And then, so he just writes a book. And Jaron Myers 18:25 we're having a Elon. That's why he made electric cars. He got arrested. No, no, I think he's an alien. Tim Stone 18:34 Maybe. So John writes his book. And he kind of becomes like, the most academically distinguished person that is saying there might be something to this. And he's actually saying he never says this as aliens. He never says, These people got abducted. He says there's something to their experience. He's like, there's too much similarities. It's definitely a trauma response. I can't explain the scarring. And he said, I think we should look into this more. It's kind of is all he's really saying. Jaron Myers 19:04 You think aliens are real idiot done? Yeah. And he's saying he's saying I think we should validate Tim Stone 19:07 these people's experience, basically. And so he starts catching some flack from Harvard. And a independent confidential review gets launched from Harvard, into Dr. John Mack for malpractice, they feel that because he was not saying, Hey, you have a psychotic, psychotic condition. Yeah. He because he was just saying, hey, there'll be something that's irresponsible that you are. And so they're saying that's malpractice. And they were trying to remove his tenure at Harvard, which is something that has never happened before and never happened since. And so they launched this investigation, and it stayed underground for a couple of years while they were investigating them. And the only reason it became public, is because they started how vindico do personal interviews. And someone was like, Hey, I had this call with your boss. Yeah, Jaron Myers 20:06 someone called me the other day. And they were like, chopsticks was on Glenstone is owned by Tony and Michelle. Tim Stone 20:15 So call me the other day and they were asking me about your hairline. And is this him? Yeah. Jaron Myers 20:24 I called that. So good dude. He's not he's a handsome fellow. Yeah, Tim Stone 20:30 yeah, he doesn't have a good hairline. It's very strong. So they this, this review is going on and he realizes it, it gets when to it. And he is reputation was already kind of not taking like a big hit. But there was questions. And this was like, Oh, this is a big deal. So he goes and he finds an attorney. And one of the things the attorney says is like, we need to send you on a PR circuit. So they sent them on Oprah. They started sending them on these talk shows to be like, hey, like Alien people who've been abducted by aliens, like there's something to their story. And so like, he starts going on all these shows, we do a PR thing and make this worse. And yeah, Harvard was real mad about it was like, You got to stop doing that. And he's like, I'm tenure. What are you going to do? Wait until the full moon. Jaron Myers 21:23 They did one night. He's in his house. And a sniper shoots just four inches from his head. Sounds weird. Tim Stone 21:33 And there's a note on the bullet on the board. Jaron Myers 21:37 It's like a little. Yeah, it's like a little scroll inside. Very large. Yes. This will do Tim Stone 21:45 this. This message is for Dr. John E. Mac. If you are not Dr. Johnny Mac, please roll this. Jaron Myers 21:53 Confidential. Johnny Mac, please. Tim Stone 21:58 at your earliest convenience. Okay. So Eagles have this press tour. And he becomes kind of like the face of alien abductions in the 90s. For sure. Oprah is very interested in it. She had them on a couple of times. She had like, come on and eat this weird stuff was like, I don't know what this has to do with aliens. They're real now. Jaron Myers 22:24 You'll enjoy it. You'll enjoy it. Tim Stone 22:29 But he's doing like a daytime talk show circuit talking about this while this investigation is going on in the background. And then something interesting happens. Jaron Myers 22:37 I don't like this. Tim Stone 22:40 I think we need to go a little deeper. Have you heard of the Ariel school encounter? No, let's take it a step deeper. cultural themes are Jaron Myers 22:50 things I learned last night Tim Stone 23:01 so this is a side story, I need to leave a review. So in the same time, there was this thing called the aerial scoring counter, okay, there was a school in Zimbabwe in the air. There was a school in Zimbabwe called the areal. School. It was a like private Christian school in September on September 16 1994. There was during recess, a group of children and by group of children I mean, pretty much the whole school, because they were all out at recess. Saw what they described as three orbs floating above the school. And then they merged into one main orb, and then it landed on the soccer field. And they all like crowded around to see what was going on. And then a small what they described as like a three foot figure, like rose out of the center of this orb, and was wearing like black tights. Like just a really great receding hairline. No, but had big black eyes. And the kids described a like sense of dread or typical ale. Yeah. But they describe feeling a sense of dread but also villains Jaron Myers 24:20 they all come and tracksuits. That's pretty fun. It's a long journey. You got to be comfortable. You Tim Stone 24:26 got to be comfy. They used to wear suits, like three piece suits everywhere they went. But that was all caught on that they Jaron Myers 24:32 were officiating a wedding and they're like, Oh, you Tim Stone 24:34 gotta cover it up a little bit. Yeah, the the men and black got too popular. And they were like we can't Sure. They're copying our style. Now. That's where we got suits from. So the kids described a handful the kids described visions of like the world burning, and all the kids walked away, feeling like they wanted to become environmentalists. And so the headmaster, the headmaster of the school, after this whole event that There was no adults out there, which is a little suspect, but it's the 90s All right. Jaron Myers 25:06 One of the teachers perspectives, yeah. Kids are all released for class. They come back and suddenly they're like, We got to save the planet. And you're like, Okay. And they're like, you drive an SUV and you're like, Okay, I don't like this attitude from you and they go you hate this planet you know like all sudden your kids the kids in your class or as I'm saying like, Tim Stone 25:29 the man with the big bean eyes told me to kill you. Jaron Myers 25:33 Or to take you out what he told me Tim Stone 25:35 you're gonna kill Earth. They didn't call it earth he called it the soy again. That's pretty good. Old odd Jaron Myers 25:58 show you that video. We're done Tim Stone 25:59 with this. What was happening during this recess is the teachers were in a meeting with the headmaster, okay. And the lunch lady was actually supposed to be out there was the headmaster Jaron Myers 26:05 was sitting at the table for Tim Stone 26:09 the lunch lady was supposed to be out there helping watching the kids. Okay, but there was some murmurs that the kids were trying to steal some of the like snack cakes during recess. So she went into the school to cover the snack Jaron Myers 26:23 makes no round coverage. Tim Stone 26:28 During this, the suppose that snap case heist, the kids witnessed this UFO and it was like the whole school. The headmaster then pulls kids aside, immediately after this event, and as I draw me a picture of what you saw, and we have all these pictures, and they are, they are strikingly similar. Jaron Myers 26:48 separated, all of them was like, okay, draw. Tim Stone 26:51 Yeah, let me let me grab these, I should have probably grabbed these before. Yeah, I Jaron Myers 26:55 think that would have been probably you run into this, you're gonna mention some child's drawings, I'm gonna want to see him speaking your child's drawings in our Discord. People. People have been submitting drawings for thumbnails and different memes and stuff. And I liked that a lot. So please keep doing that. If you want to join our Discord. You can be a Patreon supporter. That's how you get to be in there and send us jokes and stuff. Tim Stone 27:24 Thanks for checking out our show. If you like it, and you want to support it be a part of what we're doing here. You can do that by becoming a patron. What happens there is you get to be in the community. We have a discord with our hosted producers, we have a lot of fun. We're super active in there every day, you get access to add free content a week before everybody else. And we have a zoom every month with our patrons. We hang out we eat pizza, we get to know you a little bit better. It's a blast. And there's a ton of other different benefits like merch discounts, birthday messages, things like that, that are super cool. If you want to be in that you can just text Dylan 266866. And that'll get you right in there. If not, we're just super glad that you're here. And thanks for watching our show. Tim Stone 28:09 Yeah, that's exactly right. And Jaron Myers 28:11 as of recently, Tim has been doing some research sessions sessions. Yeah, with our Patreon supporters, so he just goes live and then you can help him do the research for this. So thank you to our Patreon supporters for not steering him away from this topic. Tim Stone 28:28 I didn't talk to them about this one. I wanted this one to be a surprise. I don't know. I talked to them about the last episode. Jaron Myers 28:33 Doesn't matter how much money you pay him. He's still gotta keep secrets. That's what his wife has learned too. Tim Stone 28:41 Alright, so check this out. Okay, great. So here's one of them. Geez. Here is another it's a different one. Yeah, that's a different one. So yeah, you want to see that one again? Okay, this is a different one. Okay, and this one's a little different or Jaron Myers 28:58 different or, but still similar. That's the same one. That's the other one. Tim Stone 29:09 So yeah, these are these two specifically are very similar. This one is somewhat like go back. Jaron Myers 29:17 Nobody's the first one. Okay, so this just want to be clear. Both pictures. Yeah. See this guy? Yeah, go to the next picture. He didn't have a foot in that one either. This one footed, maybe. I think he's the same image dude. Scrolling. This is the same picture. Tim Stone 29:36 I don't know. Man. It might be. It is. Jaron Myers 29:39 Yes. Okay. Tim Stone 29:44 I don't know. He seems closer to it in this one than he doesn't this one. No. And there's more Jaron Myers 29:48 this black and white version of the picture you just showed me first. It's got a dot right here. Look at the little scrapes. Okay, dot right there. These are the screws Ah, Tim Stone 30:00 yeah, the scrapes are up though the scrapes don't go as far up though. Jaron Myers 30:03 These the scrapes he's got this little little hatch right here. Yeah, they window come back out the other one. Well dot here's the scrapes hatch right there window is the same page Tim Stone 30:15 very very simple pretty simple very very similar it's pretty similar scratches go further up, Jaron Myers 30:22 please save me closer pretty simple Tim Stone 30:28 and look at this Jaron Myers 30:32 picture are you joking right now Tim Stone 30:34 look at the look at the dashes at the bottom those are longer than the dashes on this one. Oh man, Jaron Myers 30:41 this is squiggly. This is a low res black and white version of this image. Tim Stone 30:47 I mean, I see where you're coming from. I could see it. Unknown Speaker 30:50 I mean, I'm also with Jared on that I could Tim Stone 30:52 see it a foot. I could see it also look at Speaker 1 30:56 the like the bottom lines on the structure, how it like it's the same number of lines, same orientation, and that little dip halfway to that door is the same. Tim Stone 31:09 Yeah, but if you look if you look, look these kids, this one's kind of concave back all the way across. There's a concave at the bottom, this one straight across. It's I could see a possible world. Where do you You're right. I'll give you that I can see a possible world. Yeah, I don't know. Jaron Myers 31:31 All of the other evidence for this one, it looks like there's a curve. Tim Stone 31:38 No, but the if you look at the scratches on this one, the scratches go way above his head and the color one, and the scratches go to his head and the dark. Black and white. I don't see anything past his head of that image. I'm not saying it's not. But I'm also not saying it. Unknown Speaker 31:56 I mean, no, You are shameless. So Tim Stone 32:03 here's what I was gonna say though. If you compare these images, these are kind of just classic alien pictures. You know, like if you saw an alien, and like you didn't actually see the Alien and you were like, hey, draw a picture of the alien you saw it probably would look something like this anyways. Like these are pretty cool. Jaron Myers 32:19 Right now just so you guys know I'm not embarrassed. I stand by when I'm humiliated. Hey, leave a review if you agree with me by the fact that Tim Stone 32:31 I could see I could see your I see your point. I see that I think there's the same I think there's a possible world but Jaron Myers 32:37 I think your reluctance to admit that you showed me to have the same picture. discredit the entire rest of the story if you were willing to just go yeah, those are the same. I might believe the rest of your story. Tim Stone 32:49 No, I think there's it's possible. It's possible. I'm not convinced for sure. All right. Anyways, Jaron Myers 32:58 so they all see this. They take the whole story. Everyone's got eyes. They all see that you're gaslighting me right now. You're gaslighting me. I said Zuckerberg. Tim Stone 33:15 So the headmaster takes down all their stories. Like these jobs are kind of similar. The stories are kind of similar. These two Jaron Myers 33:21 are identical. But that's crazy. These two images are identical. He's Tim Stone 33:26 looking at the one picture like guys, look, this looks exactly like this one. And he just moves into this. Jaron Myers 33:33 He's got he's, oh, he's just like friggin Tim Stone 33:37 crossed cross. Last your eyes. It looks like these two are the same, like so you're holding one, man. Jaron Myers 33:42 It's pretty crazy. Tim Stone 33:44 And so the headmaster is like, this is bogus. He's like, he's like, there's nothing to this. And so he he goes on and he's just like, You guys didn't see anything and then like we saw the aliens and they want you to take better care of the planet. And so they kind of they felt invalidated. Sure. word gets out about this and UFO ologists you ufologists mull over the world are like traveling ologists and like hey, can we interview the students at the school? And they're like, Absolutely not. You can't cannot talk to Yeah, absolutely not. And then they were like, they're holding Geiger counters up to the headmaster. And they're like you're pretty nucular bro. You're Jaron Myers 34:19 kind of alien. This is Tim Stone 34:22 you smell like aluminum. Jaron Myers 34:23 You wouldn't Oprah smelled the same but Tim Stone 34:26 that's just my deodorant. I have aluminum deodorant, bro. And then word gets back to Dr. John Mack about this. Okay. And he says, may pop them off an email. It wasn't emails letters too early for email. Well, maybe not. I don't know when did email start? Jaron Myers 34:43 Anyway, he writes a little scroll right Tim Stone 34:56 before we go into lockdown, I think he might be trying to tell me something. If Jaron Myers 35:01 Well, let's hear what the shooter has to say. Tim Stone 35:06 Might be a scroll in that. That's Jaron Myers 35:07 an intro quote. I see him typing it right now. But zero the shooter, Jesus, so he, no he Tim Stone 35:16 doesn't. He writes him a letter. He said, Hey, I'm from Harvard. Can I come interview all your kids? And they were like, oh, Harvard. Yeah. And so they let him come in, he interviews all the kids. And he leaves that experience saying, Hey, I think they really did experience something. And so he writes another book about this. telling their stories, guys crazy, okay, they heard something, I think they did see something. I think this is a trauma response. I don't think any of them are crazy. And then he goes back home to the US, has his trial, where he wins. The his lawyer was able to be like, You can't do this, and they're what we want to and then he was like, you can't and so then he got to keep his job. He's tenured. He got to keep his job, worked there for the rest of his life until he was killed by a drunk driver in London in 2004, which is really sad. And the Driver. Driver only had six years and principles Jaron Myers 36:05 go. I worked there. And then he was killed by a drunk driver. And I guess the main takeaway, what the heck. Tim Stone 36:15 But here's the thing. Recently, a new documentary came out about the Ariel school encounter guy. It's on Netflix. Called encounters. Yes. And then I think episode three, Jaron Myers 36:26 I watched the first one. Yeah, I watched half the first one. I was like, this is bogus. It's not great. It's not great. The fighter jets. Tim Stone 36:32 Yeah, we're good. We can talk about that later. There's, in this documentary, it's the first documentary where they got any of the students to tell their story since they were kids. Okay. A lot of the class is dead. Because they, yeah, yeah. So in this interview, what's interesting is, the majority of the kids that they got is about probably seven or eight of adults as adults, how many of these things saw pretty much the whole school? It's like, 200. Kids, oh, smaller, private school, boom, decent size, you know, all of them maintain the story. And as adults are saying, Yeah, I know what, what what I saw, and it changed my life, like, and a lot of them actually went on to become environmentalists as adults. Okay. It's just very interesting. One guy in this interview, was like, Yeah, everybody's lying. I made the whole thing up. He was like, he's like, I made it up. And they're like, what? And he's like, yeah, he said, I was trying to get snack cakes from the lunch lady. And I needed a diversion. And so I said, Hey, everybody, there's over there. And while everybody was in commotion, looking, I snuck into the lunchroom. And I took some snack cakes from lunch. It's like, I made the whole thing up. Everybody's like, he's like, I don't know, if a lot of people just convinced themselves what they saw. I mean, I think they did. Yeah. And he's like, he's like, he's like, either they're lying. Or they're convinced that they actually saw that he's but But I made the whole thing up. Jaron Myers 38:05 And I do it again. Jaron Myers 38:14 Why did you do this whole? Tim Stone 38:15 No, but I do want to talk about John Mack more than Jaron Myers 38:18 okay. Yeah. So I'm saying though, is that so that discredits all of his work, though? Kinda? Well, I mean, his work was more focused on the like, the the response that they have. Yeah. Tim Stone 38:32 What's interesting is he never said it was Aliens. What he said his he said, I think there was something something has some sort of response within them something he has something happened and this is how they verbalized it. Jaron Myers 38:42 But isn't that crazy, though? Like, let's let's follow the trailer. No, you know, aliens obviously don't exist, and those drawings were different. So, isn't it interesting, though, like, these kids, this kid made up a story to get a snack cakes. Yeah. And those kids in their mind, then just believed it and now, their psyche and their physical bodies. Remember, something that did not happen wasn't Tim Stone 39:09 real. Yeah, not crazy, that your brain can just do that. Yeah. Like trick yourself into believing something. I mean, you tell yourself the story long enough, like you start to believe it. My barber actually, the other day, she told me a story. Jaron Myers 39:20 He was like, I just one day was like, I went to Barber College Tim Stone 39:31 my barber was like, you know, I actually I am like a legal like medical doctor. And she's like, I've been practicing for a little bit. But she's like, I cut your heart out if you want me to. I think it'll make you perform better. Now, she told me she said one of the other barbers in the room left for a minute. She was like, hey, while they're gone is gone. Yeah, Jaron Myers 39:52 I saw something. She said. She said. Tim Stone 39:57 She said she stole my story. And she started telling it like It was hers. And she's like, and I heard her tell it. And like, I heard the details and the names and stuff. And I was like, that's my story. And she like in the shop, like, and she's telling another client, that they're telling my story. And so she's like, like wild. And it happened again. And I was like, that's weird. And then it happened again. And now I'm like, does she think that is her story? Or does she think that happened to her and I was like, You should call her out on it. I was like, I was like, you don't know. I was like, I was like, You should tell that story. And Jaron Myers 40:32 you will happen to me one time and see what she says I was an elementary students in Zimbabwe. Tim Stone 40:41 What's crazy to me is I can see a possible scenario where she got that story from that Barber, and it's not actually her story either. But she thinks she thinks that barbers told her story, but she told her story, all the Jaron Myers 40:53 stories together, one Tim Stone 40:54 of her stole my story, and Jaron Myers 40:57 both stole it from another barber, who's deliverable movie. Like, tell me the story. Okay. So I was trying to figure out how to fly across the country for free, right, I get to the airport, there's some hot dogs. And I just got on a plane. Yeah. Tim Stone 41:15 And I said, I said, Can I can I deadhead on this. I don't even know what that meant. I Jaron Myers 41:21 just said, yeah, yeah, deadhead led led me eventually to barber school where I definitely went. And now I'm here. I'm classically trained live in the woods for 27 years, Tim Stone 41:33 classically trained, Hey, your receding hairline is so good. I said that before. Jaron Myers 41:39 strictly professional, your professional should be professional. I love your hairline. Tim Stone 41:45 They have they have the clippers are clipping. Jaron Myers 41:49 Your you're like, hey, I don't want that far back. As you do, I just really like that's a funny thing. If you hate your clients as a barber, you could just slowly Tim Stone 41:59 slowly be like being I think you're bald. Jaron Myers 42:01 I'm trying to shape. I think you're bald. Tim Stone 42:09 Okay, so John bag. He, he is saying that he thinks that there's this trauma response here. But what a lot of his colleagues think, cuz in the 90s, this gets, I don't want to say discovered, but like, there starts to become scientific proof around sleep paralysis. And so she's like, I think this is a subset of the population who knows about aliens, and that's them trying to explain their sleep paralysis. Sure. And that Jaron Myers 42:37 doesn't explain the environmentalist part, though. But well, Tim Stone 42:42 John Mack before he worked at Harvard, or before, he was the head headmaster, before he was the director of performance when he was just a professor at Harvard, where Jaron Myers 42:50 he was Professor Dumbledore, Tim Stone 42:51 him, along with Carl Sagan marched into a nuclear test facility was I shouldn't say just Carl Sagan, like there was like 100 professors, okay, just different sciences. They marched in to a nuclear test facility as like a sign of civil disobedience. To be like, You guys need to stop doing this you're gonna destroy the planet. So Jaron Myers 43:16 he added that Tim Stone 43:19 there's, there's a possible reason to believe he was trying to come up with a, an supernatural, Extra Terrestrial reason why we need to stop damaging our planet. That could be a potential motive for that. Like, we don't know if that's true or not. So there's some questions there. Jaron Myers 43:40 One other detail about him was he was trying to save the planet by combining he was like, I want two burgers, but I want it in one bottle or one wrapper. So just put it on top of the other one. Yeah. And they were like, that's a big sandwich, man. So really, that's a big sales. Big. That's a big that's a I keep record this on camera, but that's a Big Mac. Tim Stone 44:10 Big Hold on. Oh, Jaron Myers 44:18 sorry. That's just my arteries. And he Tim Stone 44:20 was like, he's like, I want some royalties for that. And McDonald's is like you're gonna die when you go to London next week. Jaron Myers 44:28 He's like, I'm not going to London next week. We buy your flight already. Yeah. Tim Stone 44:31 That will see you there. I mean, we won't see their hamburger Oh, man, so yeah, that was the end of a Big Mac. Wow. Big John Mac. Jaron Myers 44:45 I can't believe now. All right. Well, Tim Stone 44:49 we can fiddle him off Jaron Myers 44:57 things last night is a production of space Tim me Yeah produced by Kristian Taylor audio is edited by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic design by Caleb Goldberg. Our hosts are Jaron Meyers and Tim stone please follow us on social media at tellen podcast that's ti LL IN podcast, leave a review, comment, subscribe, wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on my site. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


John Edwards Mack, born on October 4, 1929, was an American psychiatrist and professor at Harvard Medical School. His career unfolded as an intriguing journey through psychology, marked by a distinctive interest in the uncharted territories of alien abductions. Achievements in the Field of Psychology Mack’s groundbreaking work earned him recognition, particularly for his research on the psychological and spiritual … Read More

Christopher Thomas Knight – Revealing the Hidden North Pond Hermit

11-14-23

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Tim Stone 0:00 Hey man, what's up? Have you heard of Christopher Thomas Knight? Jaron Myers 0:05 Christopher Thomas Knight? Is this Chris angels legal name? Which would be very funny if you did that. Tim Stone 0:14 I could see that and now I'm inspired. Jaron Myers 0:17 Christopher Thomas night. No, Tim Stone 0:21 this is a fun one. Jaron Myers 0:22 CTK C T Tim Stone 0:24 K Yes, this is a fun one. This was recommended by one of our patrons Mickey. And I think you're gonna like this one a lot. Let's uh, but I don't want to a lot of times like I'll start the story like at the beginning of the story. I don't want to do that this Jaron Myers 0:38 time. Let's start at the start right at the end there was a murder Unknown Speaker 0:46 I'm just putting on my wiener me. Jaron Myers 0:49 The worst thing I've ever heard you say, wait till you see that on a trail cam. Tim Stone 0:53 And he said, Well, he said I have a radio. So he's like, I know who the Kardashians are. Here's Jaron Myers 0:57 salted soy beans are one of the rich people eat crap, dude. I beat the crap out of that eight things I learned last night Tim Stone 1:17 so here's how here's Okay, so there's a woman, an unnamed woman. We don't know her name. Let's call her. Let's call her Sue. Okay. It was it like a winter, early 2000s. She has a vacation home in Central Maine. Like a cabin in the woods. And she's having family out from out of state they're going to stay in the cabin and they're going to have a great weekend together. And so earlier that week, she decides to drive up to the cabin to go into the house and kind of get things prepped. Jaron Myers 1:50 I've seen this horror movie Tim Stone 1:52 it's not a horror movie. How does it end? Let's see your prediction. See what actually goes on the cat madlib Jaron Myers 1:57 goes over the cabin? Yeah, right during the week. Yeah it's a named scary movies always start with like the best house you've ever seen. They literally ruin your dreams of like living in like a good remote location. Yeah, just like oh my gosh, man. All this nature around and then nightfalls and you don't see anything? Like four feet past your house. Tim Stone 2:19 Yep. I hate that's like the stalker episode. Dave. Jaron Myers 2:21 Yes. Yeah, so Anyway, she's out there. This cabin goes up in that cabin. And in the middle of the night you just hear Unknown Speaker 2:31 or is Jaron Myers 2:33 that a door? It's like, do you think it is? Like what's scary? Is he goes out a door. And then you and your Oh, the raccoons are pretty crazy out there. You know, but that's that's another scary movie trope is that it's always like some some noise outside. Yeah, and and it's like freakin just, it's something else. It's like a raccoon. Yeah, yeah. Tim Stone 3:01 Put the killer put a raccoon in the trash to throw Jaron Myers 3:04 the brilliance of this serial killer. Speaker 2 3:07 They call him the raccoon killer. Do they? But it's weird because he doesn't kill the raccoons. Yeah, it's pretty Jaron Myers 3:17 confusing. He really wants to clarify that. But he only clarifies it to his victims Unknown Speaker 3:22 who he didn't kill. He's like, he's like, I don't kill raccoons. Jaron Myers 3:24 I don't kill raccoons. I kill people. Frickin. Tim Stone 3:28 But what's crazy about it is he's also a raccoon. Jaron Myers 3:30 But he kills him with a raccoon. And that's like, what is also a little the world's sharpest. It's a taxidermy rack. Unknown Speaker 3:41 Like a fan. Jaron Myers 3:44 Yeah, it's a lot of fears. A little strange. But anyway, so she's got this cabin in the woods. Tim Stone 3:50 Yeah. And so she's having family out and she Jaron Myers 3:53 survives the week. Tim Stone 3:57 She's having family out. So she says I'm gonna drive up on like Thursday night. I'm gonna get everything ready. So she goes to the store, she picks up a bunch of groceries, stalks up the fridge, and is getting ready for this thing leaves that evening goes home. And then Saturday, they come back out Saturday afternoon, they get there. And she opens up the fridge. The fridge is empty. And she opens it and closes it and still empty closes it opens it still empty closes it three times. And her husband. Her husband notices she's doing this and she's like, he's like, That's peculiar. That's weird. I'm doing that quickly goes to the junk drawer and starts checking the flashlights. Jaron Myers 4:38 He pulls it open, close. Close there. It turns out they've all just got weird OCD. Tim Stone 4:48 He opens up the junk drawer and started checking the flashlights. All of them have no batteries. So they got to the shed. The propane tanks are gone. And why did Jaron Myers 4:56 you say like that? Little pain isn't how you say You know it's propane. Unknown Speaker 5:01 That's exactly what I say. No. Tim Stone 5:06 Say it. Don't not you Alex, you say it. Jaron Myers 5:08 You said propane. That's exactly like it's a French desert. Propane. The propane? Yeah, it's a wine of the propane. Unknown Speaker 5:22 Propane paired with some dark chuck a lot. Jaron Myers 5:24 You've lived in the Midwest long enough. You gotta you gotta do propane, Speaker 2 5:27 propane propane just watch the king of the hill. Tim Stone 5:32 Anyways, so then they Jaron Myers 5:34 they're empty. Tim Stone 5:35 Yeah so this Jaron Myers 5:36 is just like our Airbnb experience paid a lot of money for that Airbnb showed up and nothing freaking work were their fingernails in the hot tub because that's mine. There Tim Stone 5:45 was a raccoon in the vents too. Jaron Myers 5:47 There was a dead animal event and we talked about our Airbnb. Oh my gosh, for our wedding. We got there and there's a bad smell. Yeah. And we called them and they were like, yeah, sometimes animals die. Like, yeah, we said what she said, I can't control where they die like she's on the phone with this with this, Airbnb. I'd be like, I don't think you put it there. Yeah, not letting me know that it's there. I'm just asking if you could get rid of this is where I think Oh, dude, when the past can drag, the pest control guy showed up. And the smell wasn't there. I was gonna burn the house. And he had his full face in the vent and was just like, Tim Stone 6:29 I don't smell anything. Jaron Myers 6:29 And then I got I was like, Come on, man. Yeah. I got down there. And I was like the vent was empty. Well, much like the flash, I opened the vent. I open the vent, close the vent, open the vent, I closed the fan. So, okay. Tim Stone 6:50 They go around, they notice all this stuff is missing. And then they come back to the house and they're standing there kind of in bewilderment. And then they lock eyes, and they look at each other. And in unison and unison. They say Christopher Thomas night. They say the North pond hermit was here. And as they say that they turned around and they noticed written on the wall and blood. It says that exact phrase. That part didn't happen. The Jaron Myers 7:15 North pond hermit Tim Stone 7:17 taunt hermit was here. So here's the here's the deal. from about 1986 to 2013, there was a community in Central Maine North pond around the north pond is what it's called. Here's a picture of it for your reference. It's a pretty, Jaron Myers 7:38 there's a little north pond right next to it. Tim Stone 7:40 I do respect that. There's a little just punt. And here's the here's a here's a satellite image that I took from Google Maps. It's Jaron Myers 7:50 a little warm with the red around it Yeah, so it's like Central lawn Southwestern Tim Stone 7:54 ish main. Not like this isn't North Main, like abandoned North Main Jaron Myers 8:02 soon abandoned domains. Yeah, North Main where you talk about fate is like a band and domain. This is the part where people are still there. Unknown Speaker 8:11 You know what I mean? Jaron Myers 8:15 Okay, but Tim Stone 8:16 in that community for 27 years, people would find they would come in their house and they would find that their groceries, their groceries were missing, but nothing of like, nothing of particular value is mostly groceries, things like batteries, propane tanks, sometimes tarps just like what you call supplies. supplies were missing. But there was no sign of force injury. Do Jaron Myers 8:42 you think they had those tubs for gasoline? Unknown Speaker 8:47 Say it again. Because only Yeah, yeah, I Tim Stone 8:50 think you're i That's exactly right Jaron Myers 8:52 tubs in the garage. Yeah, because only your sole legal. And it's like it's empty to Yeah, yeah, Tim Stone 8:58 they would. Yes. It was like someone to drank it straight out of the console. Daisy knows how much you can't drink Jaron Myers 9:08 go solely in that you can consume Speaker 2 9:09 gasoline sounds like like a weird, Jaron Myers 9:13 like a like a marinara dish. Tim Stone 9:16 It sounds like it sounds like a group of Americans who went to Italy and opened up at the Italian restaurant. They're like hello Unknown Speaker 9:27 and everyone's like SEC gasoline. Jaron Myers 9:32 Every day we joke about ideas that are actually pretty good. This spaghetti Unknown Speaker 9:35 tastes kind of Fumi Tim Stone 9:50 Oh my gosh. Jaron Myers 9:52 Oh, good. Tim Stone 9:53 Okay, so for 27 years, supplies would go missing please. Yeah, stuff will just disappear. What is interesting is there's no sign of forced entry, no broken windows, no footprint, nothing like that you can identify that someone was ever actually there and even the doors were locked, like they would come in and the doors would be locked. And they, they would go outside and like they couldn't find any footprints. Footprints. We can talk about that eventually. And so it was a very peculiar thing. They what? Go through the garage door now and go Jaron Myers 10:25 to my friend's house got broken into really they opened by my friend I mean Shama Murena, a man who apparently left his cars unlocked all the time, and someone just reached in the car, open the garage door, and stole a lot of stuff from the garage. Tim Stone 10:42 Oh my gosh, Shama. Jaron Myers 10:44 I had like a home security Tim Stone 10:46 101. Yeah, yeah, I had a lot of friends growing up who would just leave their garage doors open? Yeah, like people would just come in there. And just now, we used Jaron Myers 10:54 to do that until that one kid for the neighborhood was like kind of your ex box. Tim Stone 10:59 And I all the time. Oh, man. I made me so mad. Don't even get me started. Jaron Myers 11:02 Can I have your export? No. Yeah. That was bold, though. I mean, I almost want to give it to him just because he asked. We Tim Stone 11:09 had like, if you're listening we had like a man cave set up in our garage. We've said Jaron Myers 11:13 it before. But yeah, it was we have have we told this story. I thought so. That's held again, who cares? Tim Stone 11:18 And I was I was in there playing Xbox One day and a kid just boldly probably what eight nine? Yeah, a neighborhood child. Yeah. rode his bike into our garage like full speed road into our garage and like skin into the garage Jaron Myers 11:31 of the driveway with little black mark and everything. We did get a tennis ball and scrub it up. Tim Stone 11:35 Yeah. And I'm sitting there playing playing Xbox. And he doesn't like exchange pleasantries. doesn't ask my name doesn't do anything. For his Yeah, just says, Hey, can I have your Xbox? And I was a full blown adult at this time. Like I was what? 23? Yeah. 22. Like the boldness and it's like, Jaron Myers 11:55 I mean, he had a gun Jaron Myers 12:01 was like, guy that. Jaron Myers 12:04 I appreciate you're still asking. Unknown Speaker 12:07 know Jaron Myers 12:13 His voice was super deep. It's so good. I have that. You're like, Ah, I guess Unknown Speaker 12:19 it was actually just Jaron Myers 12:22 2017 and that was an Xbox 360 It wasn't? Tim Stone 12:27 God. Yeah, yeah. But I took a bullet for that Xbox. I got to keep it. Jaron Myers 12:32 I beat the crap out of that eight year old. I beat the crap out of that eight year old in the interim. So he so Tim Stone 12:46 people, it became this local legend that there was a North pond hermit crab that was sneaking in people's houses. Okay. No one knew who this guy was. I don't know why they labeled him as a hermit. I think it was because he was stealing supplies or like, there's gotta be someone just living in somewhere, stealing all of our stuff. And this started in the 80s. And so people for a while. Yeah, people couldn't pinpoint who he was. And then in the early 2000s, when like home security cameras started becoming more popular. A lot of the people in the town started up these whoa, Jaron Myers 13:23 guys, someone's breaking into our home. With a full television on, they're taking all our groceries. Tim Stone 13:38 And he doesn't seem concerned about the Jaron Myers 13:40 TV. He's a hermit at the Tim Stone 13:42 hermit. I mean, that is hermit crab behavior to put TVs on your head, and to find a better one, the HP hermit and so this mystery just kind of grew and grew. They started setting up these these security cameras in their homes. What was interesting, though, is in the early 2000s, when security cameras were like I call them security cameras were new. There wasn't any like, Well, I mean, there was but the majority of it wasn't much since it was just constantly recording. And so their file storage would fill up really quickly. Well, you Jaron Myers 14:18 know how? You know, my family's story was security cameras. No. So my mom worked at Subway. Yeah. And that's what the subway security system was recorded on a VHS right. And so, you know, it's just as black and white video and she has to take the VHS if something happens she's got to rewind to do all that stuff. Right? Well, she started state and my dad and I'm three years old at the time my dad is watching me one night at the house and is looking for a fun little movie to watch. And he's looking through these VHS is and and one of the VHS is it's written Charles subway. What the heck and he puts it in and it is security camera footage of my dad walking into subway. That My mom had taken to show her friends who this mystery guy was. And so she has taken it's labeled Charles subway and she's showing all of her friends. This guy that comes in and is like, I'm gonna marry this guy. And then he finds out months into a relationship with her that she's been stalking him through VHS. That's Tim Stone 15:20 through VHS. That's incredible. Honestly, we laugh at it. It's no different than Facebook stalking. But it feels way worse. Because if there's a fear, yeah, Jaron Myers 15:30 I guess it's really not different than like showing someone's Instagram and like scrolling back, here's their ex, you know, like, Tim Stone 15:35 it's that Speaker 2 15:36 guy. Yeah. Also social media is something that they've volunteered voluntarily Jaron Myers 15:41 put out. Yeah, but why wouldn't a public true Tim Stone 15:47 smile, you're on camera. So like he did no. Well, so Jaron Myers 15:51 he was a regular A and for a long time, she just because he never knew his name. So he's irregular. And she never knew his name. And she just called him my future husband. Yeah. And so he'd come in every day get Tim Stone 16:02 some waking. Unknown Speaker 16:06 It's my subway cake. Jaron Myers 16:08 This is true, too, though, is that so her coworkers were all Joe can be the Hey, your future husband came in, and then none of them ever knew his name. Yeah. And then there's a ticket giveaway, some kind of competition or something to a country concert. And she's the manager. She gives two free tickets anyway. So she sees them entering for it. And she's like, Hey, you know, I've got those tickets if you want to go, you know, that's how she got her in. Well, in the meantime, her one of her older co workers had had like a heart attack or something was in the hospital. Tim Stone 16:38 So she let me give her a VHS if you're gonna look at Jaron Myers 16:45 the IMDb Rating is crazy. Rotten Tomatoes says Certified Fresh. It says no, so she shows up to the hospital with us. Yeah. And the buyer had a second heart attack to be like, Oh, my God, you know, so that's hilarious. Yeah, now they're getting they're not. They're not my brother got married this weekend. Tim Stone 17:16 i Yeah, that's right. I was there. Yeah, Jaron Myers 17:19 I was I brought it up. He gave no indication. This whole month that he's going to be there. Do you know what happened? No, no. So my brother tells me this. We're on so many side tangents right now. Well, whatever. I don't care. My brother. We're it's his wedding week. Right? We're at this big Airbnb. He did the same thing that we did. Got the Airbnb leading up to the wedding and we got to get pizza the first night and he just I don't know where it's just like, man, our officiant backed out. And I was like, Oh, really? He's like, Yeah, so I had to hire some guy in Branson to do it. Sounds like random Branson, some Branson officiant and I was talking about I was like, I can, I'm ordained and he's like, Yeah, but only even my best man. So I was like, Tim could have done it. And he goes, it's probably too late to ask him. I was like, okay, whatever. So we get to the wedding. And then I see Tim's name on the table stuff. And so I was like, Tim Berry were invited to this. Not like, I guess, you know, like, Okay, sure. Keynes's says inviting my friend's wedding. I like that. It's so so I look up Tim's location. He's there. And I was like, You didn't tell me we're coming to this wedding. And he's like, oh, yeah, I just wasted no, we're gonna make it or whatever. And I'm even telling Bri I'm telling Bree that the officiant has backed out. I was like the officiant Panko. They just hired some random and she's like, Oh, really? That's pretty crazy. Well, so then we're lining up, and I go to walk down the aisle in my dress. But Tim's freaking officiating their wedding? And has known about this for months. Yeah, Tim Stone 18:56 we planted the night of your wedding. It's so immediately after you Jaron Myers 19:00 said the kingdom has it wouldn't be pretty funny if Tim married both of us. Tim Stone 19:04 I did it was pretty fun, did it? It was it was so stressful because I don't think I don't think we did a good job with planning our, our side story for you. Jaron Myers 19:15 You know, I don't know why. He said I never questioned it. I never even I just assumed Tim Stone 19:20 you would have been like who's officiating rehearsal. Jaron Myers 19:23 The person who was officiating was not there. Yeah. And I was like, I would have thought you would have sniffed it out. I was like, Is your officiant not here? Like usually they're here for the rehearsal part. Yeah. Yeah. And he's acknowledged they couldn't make it tonight. And I was like, Okay, I don't know. Interesting, Tim Stone 19:38 but I pulled it I pulled in the parking lot. And you guys were taking pictures. I wondered Jaron Myers 19:42 why you were in a minute black suit and bray was you're putting on a whole tie. I was like, do for my brother's wedding like Tim Stone 19:48 and I was. I was struggling with that tie. Because I was surfing barbecue, bro. You made a joke about it. You're like, Have you ever tied a tie before? But I was so stressed because I was like, I was like, he knows he knows what's happening right now and I'm trying to tie this tie and act cool, but I'm like he knows he knows. I'm like I'm giving it away right now. Jaron Myers 20:04 I did not know. And I couldn't get that. Her best Easter outfit Jaron Myers 20:13 Oh, now you're back on topic Jaron Myers 20:21 good. Yeah. Tim Stone 20:23 I saw, I saw you and I drove right past to try to like pull into the parking lot to where you couldn't see us. Jaron Myers 20:29 And you would stand there look, and I went, No, I look at your car. And I was like, What are they doing? And then I honestly figured you were changing. So I was like, I'm gonna give him some space. I walked back inside. Yeah. And then I was like, This is too much time. Tim Stone 20:44 Yeah, I was like, we just need to camp out here. Jaron Myers 20:49 You're like, Oh, hey. Oh, hey, what's up, man? Oh, I had no idea. The whole time was crazy. You guys pull it off as great and impressive. And you married him speaking? Tim Stone 21:01 I did. We're married now. Congrats. Hey, thanks for watching this episode of things I learned last night. If you're enjoying this, let me recommend one of my favorites. Emperor Norton. It's this dude who just decided he was the emperor of the United States. No one agreed. But some people did agree. It was weird. You should check it out as a lot of fun. But other than that, thanks for being here. Tim Stone 21:33 Speaking of pulling it off, so they got these cameras. And because they were early cameras with us, people would have to go and they would have to pull out the VHS and erase it. If it like check to see if they got any footage of him in there and erase it and then put it back in. So not a lot of footage was captured in these early years. Right. A Jaron Myers 21:55 time where people were VHS recording their shows. That's like how you Tim Stone 21:59 Yeah, TiVo? Tivo came out. Jaron Myers 22:01 That's how you DVR stuff. Tim Stone 22:03 Yeah. DVR. Interesting. That's an interesting time. That was I still DVR stuff sometimes just for like, I don't ever watch it. It's just no I don't I don't ever plan on going back and watching it. It's just for like, a habit. Yeah, it's the experience of like, let me go set that recording. Yeah. It there's something about it's quaint. Yeah. In 2007 they caught the first footage of the North pond hermit going through. It was like a local community center. Okay. Jaron Myers 22:35 Oh, no. 2012 the black and white footage just makes it spooky. As it is. Yeah. So 2012 Tim Stone 22:41 This was actually 2012 I was off on the date. Yeah, by like a lot. Jaron Myers 22:45 That's all right. Going through the community center. So just a normal dude. Tim Stone 22:50 Yeah, it looks like it just super normal dude. And then after this, they start capturing him on footage a lot. Because around this is when people started getting security cameras that could save to the cloud. Sure you and they had motion sensor, so you could record 24/7 They started to figure it out. There was some patterns. Okay, he would show up primarily on overcast evenings. And he would show up primarily at homes at vacation homes, where people weren't at their vacation home. Such as the overcast matter. It does. And we can get to that in a second. logic Jaron Myers 23:23 to the moon. Unknown Speaker 23:24 He was he was AWARE. AWARE. Tim Stone 23:27 Well, yeah. If the moon's out and he comes in your house, you'll notice he's very hairy. Unknown Speaker 23:34 There is signs of Whoa. Unknown Speaker 23:38 Am I ever X Box? Unknown Speaker 23:41 I guess. Yeah. If you ask. You're Jaron Myers 23:43 a seven foot monster. You can ask anything you want. Tim Stone 23:47 What do you want? You want the Xbox deal? He plays a lot of Call of Duty that Jaron Myers 23:53 the black ops not even like a new one. He's still trying to play online. No one plays, plays it was just him. Yeah. And one other guy Unknown Speaker 24:01 gets real mad. Tim Stone 24:09 So they start catching them on on more and more footage. Okay. And they they pick up these patterns. And eventually, because by this time, this has been going on for 20 plus years. Yeah. And so the local police department Jaron Myers 24:22 he's like, it looks like he's like in his probably 50s 60s And Tim Stone 24:25 he's an older man. Yeah. And so the local police department and that's Jaron Myers 24:29 great because like we're not even 30 Yet, you know, I guess it's good to remember that you didn't start that until he was like in his 30s Yeah, maybe early 40s You know Yeah, yeah. So there's a whole second life we can live. Speaker 2 24:43 We can go be hermits if we want. We can dominate Jaron Myers 24:48 the frickin whole community abandoned part of Maine Speaker 2 24:54 Hello, abandoned domain. It's me. Your new hermit Hello. Jaron Myers 24:58 We have Have I am the emperor of this place. Tim Stone 25:05 I mean, you probably could. And I am Jaron Myers 25:07 the main guy. main Speaker 2 25:09 man of Maine. I'm the main main man. Yeah. Jaron Myers 25:18 So he grow my hair out my main. You know, I was gonna Tim Stone 25:23 make that joke, but I was like, Okay, we could leave it. And then so the local police department they call the Department of Homeland Security and they're like, Hey, we're getting burglarized like crazy up here. Jaron Myers 25:36 They call the Homeland Security and Department of they call a pentagon. Hey, guys, we don't really know what to do with this. We're gonna go call the local police. Okay, we're the pusher. Okay. Sure. Tim Stone 25:52 Yeah, we talked to them and they said they don't care. Speaker 3 25:55 They said they don't like they were. They were alright. Is it? Tim Stone 25:59 Oh, find somewhere else to go but eat him up. Jaron Myers 26:03 We don't care. We don't Tim Stone 26:05 care. So the department Homeland Security was like, Okay, we'll send you a care package. And Jaron Myers 26:11 they sent you post about us. Use the hashtag gifted. Make sure Unknown Speaker 26:17 you open up with hashtag add, Jaron Myers 26:18 you know, there you go. Tim Stone 26:19 Hashtag add things to the Department of Homeland Security for sponsoring this post. Jaron Myers 26:28 unbox this package from Homeland Security with me. We've been having some recent strings of burglaries. Get Ready With Me Get Ready With Me to capture the local Jaron Myers 26:44 I like this. Unknown Speaker 26:47 So they can Jaron Myers 26:50 do that video for that lady. Yeah. Tim Stone 26:54 That's a good that's a good bit. I like it. You need to write a note for that real quick. Save it in your phone. Do a voicemail. Jaron Myers 27:00 That's exactly what I was doing. Dang it, Tim. Tim Stone 27:02 I do voice memos. Whenever I have book ideas. We can listen to one of the after the fiddle. Jaron Myers 27:07 Get Ready With Me to capture that lady. It's a video that I'm you know, the Homeland Security sent me a box and unboxing video. All right. Let's see. I recorded one this morning. What do I got here? People have thought I was 30 Since I was in the seventh grade. When I was a youth pastor. I got in trouble for flirting with the college girls and a camp but I was they were older than I was. Took that in the shower. Tim Stone 27:46 So they get this package. They open it up. And they're surprised to find that it's a bunch of smoke detectors. Like what are we going to do with all these smoke detectors to call up the Homeland Security and Jaron Myers 27:55 set them on fire? Oh, you're gonna torch the for sure. We watched the footage. Tim Stone 28:03 And they're like they're like idiots. Those are the smoke detectors with cameras. They're hidden cameras set them up in everybody's house who's getting burglarized their motion sensors they will start capturing say the footage the camera will alert you and they're like you thought you wanted us to help Jaron Myers 28:19 sorry, hold your hand and explain this to you. So they set up this is smoke detectors and pins What am I gonna write notes their cameras their camera wear them in the meeting? Tim Stone 28:32 What am I supposed to do with this bomb? Jaron Myers 28:35 This very sophisticated Speaker 2 28:37 it's such a sophisticated like it's so good. I don't know what to do with Bombay I have the Bombay petroleum consoling please Tim Stone 28:57 so they started setting up all these these choke detectors in people's houses. Yeah. And one of them trips. This is in 2013 And so the police they rushed this house and they find Jaron Myers 29:10 this guy oh my gosh. creepier than he was in the first one Christopher Thomas night also he could out read those cops Yeah, Unknown Speaker 29:21 well this is this is this is made between Tim Stone 29:23 court. So this isn't like the actual day he got caught there. Oh, we have no pictures of when he got caught. All right. So this is him going to court. I don't think those I'm gonna Jaron Myers 29:32 send a link to those that police department say I'm going to send them our job headstock guys had is way too small for his head. And he needs to know but he isn't gonna live like that. You know? Yeah, he looks like a Unabomber guy. You know? He Tim Stone 29:46 does. He does. So they obviously they take them back to the police station. They start interviewing him. And he's like, Jaron Myers 29:54 Yeah, I've been stealing. He confesses Tim Stone 29:56 to well over 1000 burglaries Holy Cow over the course of 27 years. And he leads them to his camp. So he has a camp in the middle of the woods. We have pictures of it. Yes, we do. He has a camp deep in the middle of the woods. And it's interesting listening to the description of this camp from the police officers that he escorted up there. Because they said that this camp is in a part of the woods that they called the GRC. GRC up there. It's pretty darn good. Careful. They said the deer don't even go there. They said because it's too thick it like it's too dense to get through. Okay, so he's in a clearing is where he set up his camp. But they said to get through it. There's not game trails, there's not actual trails, like you're literally like crawling through bushes the whole way through to get in there. And then he found a clearing deep within these bushes and set up a camp. This is actually on private property. And he had been living here for 27 years. And no one knew. Jaron Myers 31:03 You you thought of that joke way earlier. He's got like, he's got trash cans. Yeah, in this picture. You see spray paints weird stuff on like, why does he spray paint this stuff? Like who's that? Well, wait till you see my art. Tim Stone 31:20 Okay, these clotheslines had been set up for so long that the tree has been around around them. Yeah, yeah. And I still have grown into the tree. Yeah, they're grown into the tree. And they're actually higher than here initially set them up. Like you notice those are pretty high clotheslines, because the trees grown. That's why not crazy. And so here's here's the story of what happened. They were like, they're like, What? How did you get here? Is this show? I think so. Jaron Myers 31:45 So he's up there and like, yeah, yeah. Tim Stone 31:50 I mean, it's like Central Maine. So here's, here's what happened. Hey, in January 1986. He had he, he was in his early 20s. And he grew up in an interesting home. He grew up in Massachusetts, and a lower middle class family. And their family was strange to say the least, they would for fun study thermodynamics. As a family, they'd be like a tonight's activity is thermodynamics. And they were just get some library books and learn about thermodynamics. And they built to a greenhouse in their backyard. And they discovered that if you buried gallons of water, then it stayed a good temperature longer. And so they buried 1000 gallons of water in their backyard to get it away. So they could keep their greenhouse watered without having to use tap water. So they could save money in the winter. Which seems like a very nominal savings. Yeah. Jaron Myers 32:49 I spent. I spent 30 days in a row, burying 1002 gallons of water. And not even big tubs like Speaker 2 32:59 individual gallons. They're actually quarts, so I could save Jaron Myers 33:03 $13. And there's like no one else. Like no one else. Tim Stone 33:12 There's a picture of him in high school. He was he was a kid that didn't really get along with anybody that have any kids friends. And after high school, he moved to Florida for a little bit where he worked at a mechanic shop, and then saved up to buy himself a Subaru. And he drove that Subaru hatchback from Florida to Maine until he just got tired of driving. And then he got out of his car. And he set his keys in his center console. And he walked into the woods until he found that spot. January 1986. This is a crazy person and he stayed there for 27 years worth of the cargo. I I'm assuming at some point someone found it and was like, well tow that I guess. I don't know. He has no idea what happened in the car. What's really interesting about this, okay, none of his friends. None of his family ever filed the missing persons report. They were just like, yeah, he's gone now. Yeah, he it's been 20 years. We haven't Jaron Myers 34:09 moved to Maine. Well, I mean, by that time, like you don't know that someone's not doing something. You know, if someone says Am I'm leaving town, I'm gonna go make a new life. You just go. Alright, I'll never see you again. Tim Stone 34:19 Well, no, this is the 86 like you would probably expect your son would call you at least once. Jaron Myers 34:26 I don't like to if someone goes like, hey, you know, I'm moving to like, I mean, why? If you're a person who's like, I'm just gonna drive it that feels like there's some conflict or something happened that made you want to flee that life. You know, that's Tim Stone 34:39 what it seems like. And so that's what's interesting is they interviewed him. And he's like, No, I was just bored one day. Yeah, they're like, there's three reasons typically that people do this. You're on the run. It's religious reasons. They go out to like meditate and pursue religion. And it was like panic attack Jaron Myers 34:52 about the development of the world and they're very afraid of new technology and they just want to become a recluse. Yeah, or you got warrants? Tim Stone 35:01 Yeah, yeah. Or you're like running from something like hiding from something or someone or like, yeah, yeah. And they asked him about that he was not a religious person, he was an atheist. And so they're like, well, that's not why he was there. They asked him like, if how he felt about society. He said, he doesn't really have a problem with it. He just wanted to be I Jaron Myers 35:17 don't know how to turn out. Tim Stone 35:20 And then they asked him if he was he wasn't. So all those three main reasons you wouldn't typically, like find someone to do this. It wasn't him. Okay, ask them. They're like, so why did you do that? And he's like, I just don't know. I just did. And Jaron Myers 35:33 oh, okay. Tim Stone 35:36 So he didn't have a good motive for doing it. And the police never got a good motive out of him for why he did it. Sure. So they started asking him about his experience, like how it was, and he was like, well, he said, the first few months I was up there, like I started out by like, foraging and like getting food from plants and like, trying to kill him. He didn't kill him. Kill. Yeah. And he said, but that sucked. And so he had no way. He had a moral dilemma, because he didn't believe in stealing, like he didn't want to steal. But he also was like, This is great. And so he decided, I'll start some light burglary, I'll just take food. And I'll just take supplies when I need to survive. And I'll only take it from vacation homes. So those people are rich, you know, whatever, who cares? They have a second home. So he would sneak in and take only what he needed. Jaron Myers 36:29 Get it, brother. I'm with you. Tim Stone 36:33 And then take it back to his camp and survive in the camp. What's interesting if you watch him, it's Jaron Myers 36:40 I don't think I could be a homeless person. Okay, I thought about this. Yeah. Like it, you know, because people give. We've never made it home for a restaurant without giving our leftovers to somebody. Yeah. But I was like, Man, I don't like beans. You know, like if someone gave me a Chipotle burrito, and they're like, Hey, I caught you this I'd be like thanks. And they would leave Tim Stone 37:07 Yeah. Star it'll follow them to their car and throw it on Jaron Myers 37:19 there this has happened before. Where it happened to Reagan. She tried to give like a like a granola bar. Yeah. To a guy in Los Angeles. He literally took it and he went oats and honey Unknown Speaker 37:38 you don't get to be picky. Yeah, how much cholesterol Jaron Myers 37:44 doing dude? I couldn't do that. Tim Stone 37:46 Trying to get my macros bro. Jaron Myers 37:49 McDonald's, come on. You're like okay, sorry. Just trying to give you calories man. Tim Stone 37:56 So, he Jaron Myers 37:58 I couldn't eat roadkill. I couldn't do that. But honestly, it's if I break it rich ever been to a rich person's home? Yeah. Tim Stone 38:06 almondmilk college we stayed at that rich person's home when we were on tour. And I Jaron Myers 38:10 gotta say that we can say my ex girlfriends. We don't gotta be like, we don't gotta be like, ooh, caller was there that rich person's Yeah, my ex. Unknown Speaker 38:18 And literally I couldn't find anything to eat so I thought Jaron Myers 38:24 we just ate cookies dude because all their food sucked all their food was like freakin like here's here's salted soy beans are one of the rich people eat crap dude. Some crackers with 15 calories. I don't want that. Unknown Speaker 38:43 I need more calories. Speaker 2 38:44 Me Ritz crackers. Give me the real stuff. Give me the goods margarita mix the hard stuff. Tim Stone 38:58 He what was interesting is he exhibited some things that seemed like he was trained for this. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. Jaron Myers 39:08 Here his siblings? Tim Stone 39:10 I actually don't know. I haven't. Yeah, think about that. Jaron Myers 39:13 They're in the woods, or in some other ones. So I'm saying do you think is do you think his parents were like his parents? Hey, Tim Stone 39:19 in January 1986, they got all the four siblings together and they said it's your time. Now we see who can make the time Jaron Myers 39:26 when the four siblings live together a piece. And then the Fire Nation attacked. Tim Stone 39:32 This was this was the way they said whoever survives the longest gets the inheritance. How will we know? We'll see. That's how good your instincts are. Yeah, you'll know. Jaron Myers 39:45 And he's like, freak, I know he's out there. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. 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Tim Stone 40:50 We had a favorite Chinese restaurant in Springfield, and the owners, they got deported. So they just shut the store down. Is that what happened? Well, they didn't technically, they know that they couldn't renew their green card. They wouldn't let them renew their green card. So they essentially, the building owner Jaron Myers 41:05 wouldn't make the updates to the building that needed to happen. And they didn't have the money to do it. Interesting. And so because that new players came in, and they remodeled the whole thing. Yeah. Because there was a lot of updates that had to Tim Stone 41:18 had needed to happen. I didn't know that. I thought it was I heard that they had to leave. Yeah, it was Jaron Myers 41:24 also someone racist. Who told you that? It could have been probably Tim Stone 41:29 part of this. I do. Remember they said they were going back to Australia. Jaron Myers 41:32 I won't say we're going to Australia, but yeah. What? Why did they go to Australia? That's Tim Stone 41:38 where they're from? That's not where they're Jaron Myers 41:39 from? Yeah, Tim Stone 41:40 that's what Tony said. Tony said they were from Australia. They're not from Australia. Yes, they are. 100% 100% they were. They might not be originally from Australia. That's where they were before here. Jaron Myers 41:52 Don't they have a daughter? Yes. And she lives in Australia. Yes. So they're going to with their daughter in Australia. Tim Stone 41:58 They've lived in Australia before that, though. Sure. Anyways, well, they're Jaron Myers 42:02 not clear. They're definitely not from Australia. Speaker 2 42:07 I they could be. They could be No, put them in a box. Speaker 3 42:13 It was very cryptic. We, we talked. We were like, Tim Stone 42:17 we'd like He's like, he's like, we'll be back. He's like, we'll be back. And we're like, Tony, we asked him for his number. We said, Can I have your number so you can let us know when you're back or something like that. He literally Jaron Myers 42:26 was like, you'll know. Unknown Speaker 42:27 It was the last thing he ever said Jaron Myers 42:30 is, you know, his sister owns we could ask his sister. She owns the cashew station on Camp. Battlefield. Tim Stone 42:36 That's what I thought happened. I thought we went and talked to her. And she told us Oh, yeah, they they couldn't get their green cards for needed and they had to Jaron Myers 42:44 be there. We did ask, we need to go. So our favorite restaurant was chopsticks. And me and my best friend. Were sitting here talking about chopsticks. And they told us they were going to open something new eventually. And I was just like, Do you know anything about that? Speaker 3 43:02 No, I can ask for you really quick though. That would be awesome. No, they are not as far as I know. Okay. Jaron Myers 43:12 Dang. Okay. Did they did they move to like Australia? That's what we're trying to figure out the rumors that we heard trust earlier. All right, well, we're big fans. So in some capacity lessons that we miss. Speaker 4 43:26 Karaoke chicken and beef. We do make that here. Okay. Are you forever No, we did not. Unknown Speaker 43:37 Okay. All right. Jaron Myers 43:41 Well, thank you so much that that helped us a lot. Yeah Unknown Speaker 43:49 that's incredible. They did Tim Stone 43:54 I vindicated Tim Stone 44:02 okay. So he exhibited like someone who was trained Unknown Speaker 44:20 bro, this episode is off though. Jaron Myers 44:26 It's very in the weeds, if you will. Geez, man. Tim Stone 44:32 So yeah, he exhibited traits, like someone who was trained. Okay. So one of the things that they found out right away is that he picked the locks to the houses that he broke into. And he when he left, he picked them back locked. So he would go back out and he would pick them into being locked. Like reverse pick, you know, I'm saying, Oh, okay. Yeah. So he would lock up with his lock bits. That's nice. And so early on in the early 80s. You could tell like, there was like scratches stuff all over the locks because he was rusty grayed out it Yeah. And then he got pretty good and so no one could even tell like there was tampering, and he would pick his way into the locks. There was one sighting of him that they brought up. Someone cited him in the 90s. Jaron Myers 45:15 And he's like, Yeah, I'm pretty blurry in that picture, though. Unknown Speaker 45:20 Nobody better pictures of me. Jaron Myers 45:22 I mean, like, they put that out there. They're like, we found them. And I was like, did they? And then there was like a whole team that came out from Discovery Channel, and they were like, they were like, I don't think they're looking for me. Speaker 3 45:35 I grabbed back a couple of times. But yeah, that really spoke to me. Jaron Myers 45:41 There was town meetings. Speaker 2 45:43 Yeah, I think they, nevermind. Unknown Speaker 45:48 They, so that was the sign of Jaron Myers 45:50 never going out when the moon's out again. Tim Stone 45:56 There's a sighting of the 90s. They said, Hey, so in the 90s, some Hunter said that they saw someone walking across the street. But that kind of fits your profile. And they said, but they were walking backwards. Full speed. And they're like, was that you? And he's like, oh, yeah, that's me. He's like, I walk backwards everywhere I go. Unknown Speaker 46:19 They were like, well, why? Unknown Speaker 46:25 Because it's funny. Jaron Myers 46:30 Oh, why did they work backwards? Oh yeah, they just do that in Australia. They work backwards. Unknown Speaker 46:39 Yeah, it's kind of like driving on the left side of the road. I walk backwards. Jaron Myers 46:43 That's the same thing to say. So the reason the the more you the more questions you get answered us go. Speaker 3 46:50 Oh, I understand now. Now I get it. Oh, man. Jaron Myers 46:55 We should just release him. Wait. This guy buddy. Slowly backs away from the jail. That's the thing. He's like I'm so he's like, Can I walk backwards? Can I please like, can Tim Stone 47:11 you please turn around? Jaron Myers 47:16 Well, that's freaking weird. Now. He's not walking. Paradise song. Tim Stone 47:20 The important thing is they clarified he's not walking slowly. He's not like moonwalking. He is full speed walking backwards. Like, let's do Jaron Myers 47:30 that in this footage too. Because imagine, oh my gosh. Imagine you rewind your VHS, right. You're like, something's happened. Something's Afoot. And you rewind it. And you just see some of you just see your front door open and you go the other way stuck and rewind. Like what is happening? And he's just across your house. What did he say? Why? Tim Stone 47:58 Yeah, so the reason for that is he said in case I left footprints, people would think I was going the other way. Would they? Well, if your your toes are facing that direction, and you're going that direction, Jaron Myers 48:15 I know this guy's got a weird gait, I guess. Okay. Tim Stone 48:22 So yeah, he walked backwards everywhere I went, but then he started learning to do overcast the reason why he would do overcast is because it would rain and it wash away its footprints and so the evidence would be gone that he was there. Oh, man. Yeah. So Jaron Myers 48:35 you know what else got washed away Tim Stone 48:42 your Jesus walked backwards in every town. He went to Jaron Myers 48:48 those footprints in the sand. That's where I was walking now. Tim Stone 48:54 Don't go that way. Nothing happened to that direction. Nothing happened over there. Do you don't need to worry about it. I walk Jaron Myers 48:59 as far as the east is from the west. Go east. This is too many Bible jokes. I'm sorry YouTube commenter who's upset about the number of Bible jokes we make. So, Tim Stone 49:13 um, and then he never lit a campfire, because he didn't want the smoke to attract sure he came. But here's the thing he is in Maine, is that through winters? The propane was for cooking. He did not use any source like a fire for heat. Instead what he would do is in the winters when it will get down to sub zero temperatures, he would wake up in the middle of night and he would walk to keep his body heat up. And he would just walk around his camp Jaron Myers 49:46 backwards so that way he'd be able to Tim Stone 49:49 take taken lapse. Yeah, I found out that the thermodynamics Jaron Myers 49:53 worked better. Wait till you see that on the trail cam. I don't know what's worse the Skinwalker or if it's just freaking Tim Stone 50:05 you think that supernatural if you see it, like you don't see that and think that that's a normal human, you think that's a ghost or a demon or something in subzero temperatures walking backwards in the, in the woods. Okay, but he did it, he survived, he would fatten himself up every fall so he can make it to the winter. And so it's interesting, especially towards the end when they started capturing more footage of him. In the fall, he was really really chunky in the in the spring, he was very skinny. Because he would fatten himself up to make it through the winter. Jaron Myers 50:37 Like a bear, bear. So Tim Stone 50:40 pretty good survival instincts. Seems like he was trained. Jaron Myers 50:44 That's what I'm doing to. Tim Stone 50:47 Oh, I'm just prepping for the winter. I'm just putting on my winter meat. Jaron Myers 50:53 It's the worst thing I've ever heard you say? Putting on my winter meat. That's gross. Tim Stone 51:01 So yeah, so they, they arrested him. They, they interviewed him and they he took them, they took them to trial. And it was a six month on trial. So he's in jail through that whole trial cheese. And we heard a lot of cases 1000 cases of burglary and a ton of cases of trespassing, especially on the property that yeah, lived on. They said that there was several 100 Perhaps even 1000 propane tanks around his camp that he's never been exposed video. Yeah, he just threw him who it would be empty. Just throw up. And so like, it's really interesting. I can't find an actual picture this I saw on a documentary, a quick shot panning out there be free and it is insane. It looks insane. It's literally 1000s of propane tanks just like peeking out of the dirt. Like because the ground has just grown around. And like it's just tanks as far as the eye can see. It's bonkers. Wow, I'm really Jaron Myers 51:57 turned into promain Unknown Speaker 52:01 Welcome to pro may Jaron Myers 52:03 not I'll say like that. Sorry. promain. Tim Stone 52:06 You know, I heard that there was a big outbreak with romaine lettuce. Jaron Myers 52:11 I want to end this. So Tim Stone 52:13 they went to this log trial. And the public was divided on him. Some people will Jaron Myers 52:20 remember like he's just fiver was just let them any like entirely got something wrong with because there were some people Tim Stone 52:23 who were started putting signs on their front door that said, Please don't break in. Just tell us what you need them. We'll leave it on the doorstep. Yeah. And so like, there are some people that he was kind of like a folk hero, honestly, in the community, but then some people hate it. Like some people felt very violated. Because I mean, it is he's stealing from you so and he's walking backwards. And so during his testimony, he was asked, he said, he said how much contact have you had with the outside world? And he said, Well, I have a radio. So he's like, I know who the Kardashians are. And they have pity on him Jaron Myers 52:59 with the Kardashians or even famous on the radio, Tim Stone 53:03 it's crazy that this man did not have contact with another human for 27 years and still knew who they are. But no, he didn't say there was one he's like, Jaron Myers 53:13 they're actually the main reason I didn't come down. I thought about coming down in like 2012. But then I heard about who Kanye and Kim were, I was like, I'm gonna stay Tim Stone 53:22 I'm gonna stay out here. He said there was there was two instances in the course of the 27 years where he spoke to someone. One of them he was on a trail and he passed another hiker, and they just said, Hi. And he was like, Hi. Unknown Speaker 53:38 And they're like, Hi. Tim Stone 53:48 And then there was a fisherman who was fishing at the pond and so on. And he said, please leave me alone. And the guy said, no problem. The Hermit said that. No. He said to the fishermen, he said, please leave me alone. And fishermen said no problem. Jaron Myers 54:04 If you didn't say anything, I wasn't going to Speaker 3 54:06 Yeah, honestly, the fact that you asked me to leave you alone makes me want to not leave you alone. Curious. It seems like you're doing something wrong Jaron Myers 54:12 there. I was in the bathroom the other day. The next day, the urinal. Hey, can we not talk? Unknown Speaker 54:19 I wasn't planning on it. I Jaron Myers 54:20 didn't know. I wasn't gonna say Unknown Speaker 54:21 was it? Yeah, Jaron Myers 54:22 we're here. Yeah. Tim Stone 54:24 You started the conversation, even though it was an opener Jaron Myers 54:27 Christopher Thomas night. Tim Stone 54:30 What if I just walked backwards out of this bathroom? How far away? Do Jaron Myers 54:34 you think I could stand for this thing? Please leave me alone. No problem. Tim Stone 54:42 So 27 years. That was the only contact he had with other humans. That's like eight words. Please leave me alone. Not five words. Five words. One hand with the words alright. In and 27 years. bonkers, Jaron Myers 54:57 you know he's talking to the trees out there. Oh, 100% Tim Stone 55:00 Yeah, he was bargaining with them. He's like, he's like you guys need this quick wrong. I can almost not reach my clotheslines anymore, guys. Jaron Myers 55:05 This isn't a fun game. Unknown Speaker 55:11 I keep telling the trees to stop taking Jaron Myers 55:12 like the trees away and monkey in the middle with me. I'm sorry, what? Trees, way monkey in the middle with me. And I never get to be Unknown Speaker 55:22 in the trees. The trees think we're still monkeys. Jaron Myers 55:25 The trees are mean to me. Okay. Tim Stone 55:31 The other day I was walking out of my cap, the tree came up behind me and it's pulled my backpack straps real tight. It's in Jaron Myers 55:40 the woods, little turtle. And I was like, artists do that backwards. Tim Stone 55:51 So the jury, the jury, I don't know if it was because they felt bad for him or if they just didn't think his crimes were that bad. But they sent him sentenced him to seven months. And he had already served six. So he served one more month after the court and then he got rehabilitated into society. He had court mandated mandated therapy he had a day for I think was three Jaron Myers 56:14 years that got him an apartment. He slept in the carport. Tim Stone 56:18 Yeah, he moved into a small town in Maine. And he works as a mechanic there and he's still there mechanic thing. And he's still walks backwards. Jaron Myers 56:31 I don't want people to know where I'm going. Unknown Speaker 56:32 I don't want anyone to know where I go. Here's Tim Stone 56:38 I think I want to read a quote to you from the police officer who arrested him, okay, because it will just listen to this. Listen to this quote. It says it says as the officer couldn't help but be amazed at the way he moved through the forest. He described him as moving like a cat silently with agility, grace and dexterity. I am pretty sure there's a scene in a documentary where one of the officers who arrested him, they he captivated all the officers that arrested them. One of the officers, female cop, that's an important note. She She went as far as to choose describing how impressed she was with him and his survival capabilities. Okay. And then she talked about how after he got arrested, there's a few times where she visited him in jail. And she was like, I don't know. She paused her story in the middle of her story, and said and I need to say like we had a professional relationship. Like I only spoke to him if I had a reason to be speaking to them. And I was like, that Unknown Speaker 57:40 is very sad. Unknown Speaker 57:43 The facts Yeah, that you Jaron Myers 57:44 were just I do need to say it's true professional. Tim Stone 57:48 You're talking about how impressive he was. I Jaron Myers 57:51 mean, his legs just shoot, too and the eye contact the whole time as he ran away. Speaker 2 58:02 Just strictly professional, strictly professional relationships. Tim Stone 58:09 But he was amazing. He was Jaron Myers 58:11 he stole more than just some food. He's stolen my heart it was Tim Stone 58:21 very suspect very suspect, huh. And I think that that might have something to do with his short sentence. I don't know. I'm just conjecture here. Oh, okay. Anyways, so that's that's the North pond Herman Christopher Thomas Knight. Most impressive people who lived in the woods for 27 years. Jaron Myers 58:37 That's crazy. Fall deaf. What that's a fiddle off backwards. Tim Stone 58:48 Things either last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by Alex Garnett video by Connor bets, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. 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