Katko v. Briney: The Famous Booby Trap Case

07-23-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to Things Earth Last Night. This is a comedy podcast where we joke around and we learn useless information every single week. This week we talk about cat co versus Brindley. This couple owned an old house filled with their antiques. They didn't live there, and so people were breaking into their house and you know, teens were going there and treating it like a little like, oh, we can get in this ponded house or whatever. So they started booby trapping. And now the problem is, if you don't live there and one of your booby traps hurts somebody, is that still self defense or are they Is that reasonable that they would be able to go to a vacant property and not get you know, seriously injured or killed. And that's what the lawsuit was about. We talk about the merits of this, They talk about the trial, We talk about the incident that led to the trial. Really interesting episode. We like it a lot. Thank you for checking out our show. Let's get into it. Hey man, what's up. Have you ever heard of Edward and Bertha Brinnie? Edward and Bertha Brinnie. Yeah, or maybe Briani could be that's possible that Briani is the pronunciation there. I think it's Brnnie, Brinnie, Britannie. Edward and Bertha Brene. It's definitely not Brenne. I know that. It's not that fancy. They're from Iowa. It's definitely not Brine. Okay, No, I guess I probably haven't heard of this couple from Iowa. Yeah, that's literally, they're just some dif from Iowa, which is an hour from here, maybe two hours. I don't know, it's potential. I don't know where Iowa is. So here's the deal. Edward and Bertha. Bertha's so Bertha in like nineteen, I don't know, sixty one, sixty two somewhere around there. She no, she has a mother, her mother passes away, and she inherits inherents, inherits the family farmhouse. Here's the deal. They don't want to live in the family farmhouse, Okay, but they want they want the family farmhouse, you know, yes, And so they're like, what if we made this an airbnb? But the technology isn't here yet, So we got a hold. Yeah, we got hold for a while for the technology to come around and then we can make this an airbnb. Really, it was just kind of like sentimental value, like they wanted the farmhouse in. Yeah, it's in Iowa, small town, Iowa. Let's see if I know the town name. I don't cool is it Okay, Mahaska County, Iowa. Couldn't tell you where that is? Somewhere in Iowa. Yeah, really tell me, no, I said I could not that I will good. It looks like it's like south eastern Iowa, southeastern Iowa. And it's not in a town. It's like unincorporated county. Land is where this farmhouse is. They inherit this farmhouse and they want to keep it. They want it to be in the family. They and they use it to like store all all the family heirlooms. And so they left everything that was in there, like they didn't do in the state sale or anything like that. They left it how it was. They also moved some of their family rooms that wasn't like her mother's family heirlooms there. And so they just kind of had this other house. They lived miles away, probably thirty forty minutes away, Okay, And so they just they would visit occasionally muld a lawn see the stuff or what. No, they visit occasionally like oh, yeah, here's our heirlooms. If you look around, there's a there's some plates. Yeah, that's I think that's I think that's the thermostat. I can't tell. I don't know houses. So no, they would show up to like check on the house and make sure it was okay, okay, how are you how are you doing the house? No, they would like the house was like, ah, you know, speak English, never language, Okay, got it, but it spoke for sure. They just didn't know what there is, like, whoa, what do you say? This house speaks to me. You don't get it really speaks to me. I just tell that to your realtor, and you don't hear that. You don't hear that. We should go to some open houses too, You should spend You don't hear that idea? Right now? Are you doing this weekend? You want to go to some open houses? We're doing Sunday from eleven to two time, if I can pick any time where there might be some open houses. Uh. So they go to like Mulan and do like general upkeep and clean and just make sure it's like not falling apart. Basically occasionally, I'm not even saying once a month, maybe every other month maybe every third month, you know, like it's pretty rare, but they show up occasionally. And so they're just sitting on this house. And over the years, the house just because nobody's really living in it, they're just kind of showing up and checking on it. It starts to kind of fall apart and get a little dilapidated, and it becomes a little what dilapidated? Okay, what do you? Is that a word that you really went for? That's a big word? Did I say it wrong? No, You're great, keep going. It was just sometimes your vocabulary. I go, oh, but I think I know words, like who don't know word? A person who historically doesn't know words? No, historically I know words. You just think I say them wrong. You just have this idea and I start, I'll keep going. I was just surprised. So that house is delpidated. Sure, and uh, it becomes kind of like a thing where like local high schoolers and stuff like breaking and just kind of mess around, you know, like they're like, I look at this ghosts and stuff. Oh okay, okay, okay, And so this is the house from the notebook. Kind of it's like everyone's like, we're gonna go in there and like throw a party or like here's the ghosts, or maybe you take some stuff, but not like it's just whatever for fun, you know, and also for taking stuff. You know. Some people are like, I'm actually gonna steal some stuff out of the house because there's stuff here still even though it's falling apart. No one's really squatting. I don't know if people do that in Iowa. They can't. People in Iowa don't have knees. You're looking at me like there's something I should know, you should and I don't Iowa. And so it becomes a spot, like it's a it's a spot. So they start doing all this stuff to try to keep people out. They put up do not enter signs, people keep entering. They put up do not trespass signs, people keep trust. They start like putting up new locks. People in Iowa geary, this science is. It looks like the scientists a sign that would say and That's what I'm going with. It's like the mid sixties, and so it's like, what was it. Bob and Uh and Dwayne are going out are Yeah, they're going out to the house, and they're like, we need to we need to talk to that one kid from school, the nerdy kid pulling Dexter to see if you can come out and read the signs for us. We don't know what they say, Hey, hey, yeah, hey, what's his sign? Say? It says do not enter? Shut up nerd bunch him in the face. However, he tell us not to enter, and then they actually say and so the signs are working. They start putting on more locks on the doors and on the windows. They start trying to like barricade it, and people are still getting in their breaking windows, breaking and entering, classic classic breaking the law, and then one day finding the way in. And so this becomes a trend for like years. Finally in the nineteen seventy Edwards had enough. Edwards, I've had the house for like ten years now. Yeah, they've had the house for ten years. People a breaking it, enter in and they're getting frustrated. They've tried everything except for selling the house. And he's He's like, we got to find a way to stop these people. And so the moat didn't work. They dug a moat. They put an alligator in the living group. Well, I'm saying, you said they tried everything. Have they tried everything. There's no boat, there's no right. Yeah, call the tunnel lady, right, TikTok, I ever put a moat in. And so he's like, he's like, I've had enough of this. I'm gonna solve this problem. The tunnel lady. Yeah, what are you talking about? You don't know what to call the tunnel lady on that. That's where we're at with technology is it started. Social media started as a way to connect us. And now you say stuff like, you know, the mold lady, you don't know, you don't know what I'm talking about. The tunnel lady, lady with birds on TikTok, The tunnel lady, I swear we've talked about this before. It's the She lives in like Indiana, I think, like the suburbs in Indiana. She is a mechanical engineer, I think. And her hobby, well, here's the thing. She wanted her hobby. So she wanted so she wanted to take her suburban home, like a regular suburban, like a new reds from like the mid two thousands, cookie cutter home like you see anywhere. She wanted to turn it into a castle, but she needed the stone to build the castles. Around it, like the castle facade around it, okay, And she didn't want to buy all of that stone, so instead she blew a hole out of the side of her basement and dug a mine and had this mineshaft that went down like sixty meters underneath her home. This is not something I've ever seen, and started pulling out all and like it's like this functional mind. And so on the weekends, this is her hobby. She bought a mine cart and it's got a track. What's up, guys, I'm here on TikTok Live. It's actually it's actually more like those stories. So she films, she films the whole thing, and then she voiceovers it of what she did, and so she like, hey, guys, here we are going into the bad And it was pretty rough day today. Actually the track is a little bit you can see how that's like, Okay, sorry, well I probably shouldn't include this part of the video. The mine rail derailed and killed one of my workers. But uh, anyway, and than that pretty productive day. We got a lot of stuff done on the house, Like I yeah, yeah, just like that, you know. And I was telling my wife the other day, I said, because she's you know, she's just looking up stuff. I saw this thing on I want to buy this. I want to buy this. I said, you were addicted to advertisements? Yeah what do you? Yeah? How are we? How is this where we're at? So she's just showing you ads like it's just everything that's on her feed is something to buy. Two out of three things in your feed is stuff that's like you should buy this. Yeah, even if it's not linked to the TikTok shop. It's interesting. It's like here's a cool product, here's something that you know, everything a prophecy today. Uh, yes, what about it. They referenced that they talked about the tribe that they brought phones to. It was like one, oh yes, yeeah yeah, and then all the girls are ready to social media within like two months, the guys are addicted to yeah. Yeah, and within two months this destroyed this tribe. Yeah, it's crazy. They thought they were like, we're connecting you to the world. Yeah, and they gave them like starlink and phones and all this stuff like here's how you use it, here's the internet, and then they destroyed the tribe. All the young kids are lazy, now, yeah, that's crazy. You know what's crazy about technology is that we grew up with technology rapidly changing all the time. Yeah, right, because like we're used to, like new things come out. Millennials, we go like, okay, yeah, I new stuff comes out, and now they have these big press releases. Here's the updates that are coming to your phone. They didn't use to press release it. Yeah, they should just update your phone. Yeah. And then you open in and you go, oh, I guess I can do this now. Yeah, and then your parents and your grandparents would be like, how do I do anything? You're shut up. I got to figure it out first, and then I'll tell you I gotta figure it out. Hey. 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Oh God, remember on text message what you used to be able to do. You used to be able to send a text you say hey to three different phone numbers, and then it would just send us three separate texts. Yeah, I think you need to be a little bit more clear to our younger listeners about what's happened a text message is when we had our little phones. It's kind of like no. Here, here's a good example. If you're sending a DM on Instagram. You can send dms separately. You can check all the different people and send separately, or you can send them in a group. Yeah, but in an early texting there was no send us there was. It was only separately. So you write one message three numbers, right, hey, send it, and it would start three sepparate threads. I understand that I don't got to talk to them like their children. It would start three separate threads and then uh, one day, out of nowhere, group chat right uh. And no one found that out harder than the kid in the grade above me, who was a tool. No one liked him all right, but he found himself in a group chat with forty two girls that he had sent good night beautiful and sent it to all forty two, and then one night, just one chat all forty two. And there were screenshots of that group chat. Yeah, he had to change his phone number because all forty two of those girls would say good night beautiful. At the end of every day he would get a text message from every single person it was, and so every night he'd get forty two. So hold on, he had been doing this, he had been sending and then one night they all found out and weren't the only group chat. I'm one of forty two beautiful. I love justice. That is. Oh, sometimes our justice system really crushes. It was the that was the justice system. It was back to tubble Ladies. So she so she's digging this hole and it really is like she's got a mine cart that goes down, she's got power running through it, lighting it, she's got a some pump pumping water out of it, different signs she has built this. It's a fully functional mine. And she's dug really deep, and she's got a quarry that she's literally like, I'm not even getting tons of rock that she's pulling out. Well, the thing I do about it. She did this for a year, posting TikTok and doing updates, and the whole point of it is to get the stone so she can build turn her house into castle. That's the whole point of it. And she's like, I got a lot of rock under my house. Uh. The city finds out, the city shut her down. They give her a didn't yeah dig right? Well they really were. They were like, you don't have a permit. And in the state of Indiana, this was an interesting thing that came up because and I think we covered an episode that loosely related to this and the state of Indiana. You don't own the ground below your house, like you only own the foundation. Really, in some states you own everything below everything above is your property. But in some states you only own the height of your building, so you only own down to the bottom of your foundation and up above. So now she's digging into state property and napping state property. So she had to get a special permit to be able to do that, got to stop work, and so she hasn't done anything for like a year. And so now her TikTok, I mean, her TikTok's huge millions of fun. Now her TikTok is her dancing. She became like a thirst trap TikTok. Ah. Yeah, And honestly, I need to show it to you. I need to show it to you. But it's like, it's crazy, it's it's insane. I think I actually sent this to you the other night, and I was like, she's thirst trapping. I probably shouldn't. I probably didn't look at it. I'm sure you probably said it to me, and I went, tim, I have a wife. Whatever you think of when you think thirst trap, it's not that's not what she's doing. She's doing a whole different kind of thirst trap. And you need to see to believe it, Like it is not what you expect. It's not what you're exciting. It's probably not a thirst trap. You probably not meant to be a draft. But you're looking at it and you're like, I can see how some people about it's not. No, it's not. But she broke She broke it the other day because the city she was driving by a construction site and she noticed there was a bunch of just stones sitting out there, and she's like, can I have that? And so now she's she's mining their stone. Now imagine you're a construction worker. And then some girl walked up in here with her phone and she has that Yeah, I guess yes, and it's they're big hunks of stones. So she's literally out there with a jack camera. She's filming herself. For every stone she takes from the state, she owes another one, you know. So she's in she's in rock debt. Yeah. Yeah, how is this related to the house at all? Oh? Because you said in moat and she builds her castle. She is. Actually she's also building a moat. So she does have a moat started an her backyard. She hasn't done the front yet, but she does literally have a moat. She putzy river around my house. Yeah, and she's been when I create a content creator facility creator house. Yeah. Yeah, So she she dug a moat and it's like five or six foot deep, and she poured concrete on the sides and she filled it in. So she has a moat around her backyard of her house Rawbridge. Not yet. She needs more stone. That's a problem she has to get stone from. She's got to get more stone, and the city won't let her get her stone. And I know where she could find anyways, I'll show it to you after this. She's my hero. Oh my gosh, Tim Stone. Okay, so this house, they start like fortifying it with just like extra locks and stuff like that. Okay, they start like freaking well, nothing's working. People are still breaking in. And so there was a guy by the name of let me get this name right real quick. There's a guy by the name of Marvin at Co who he was a little behind financially, and he had heard about this house and he said he told one of his friends, he said, hey, here, there's a lot of antiques there. I'm sure we could go and get some antique bottles or something something like that and make up the deficit that we're in and be good and so they break in. One night, they go to kick all right, Marvin, we're gonna go to We're gonna get all sales out of his bank day. All right, Marvin, let's do it. So steal a few antiques, leave and he goes success and so, yeah, that was pretty easy. So they say, weeks go by, the house is first trapping me and that word right, No, I feeled that house is speaking to me. I feel the house. I've interpreted this. Come on in, Yeah, steal whatever you want. The house told me. The house told me to steal. So he tells his friend, I was told me too. Is something you hope your kid never says to you. The house told me? Do the house told me? No, No, it did not. What is the house saying? Now? What does the house say about my outfits? Is the house say anything about me? Think of me? What does the house like me? Is the house a fan of me? I feel like I've been I made some good updates. I clean anyways, so I dug a mote, so he says. So he says, hey, two weeks have gone by. I made a little bit of money off those antiques. He tells his friend. He's like, hey, hey, what else might they have in that house? We checked just the kitchen. Surely there's some more goodies there, and so they were like, let's give it another surely there, so they said let's give it another shot. They show back up another night. They're going through the house nabbing some goods, go up to the mass bedroom. Marvin opens up the master bedroom door. First of all, he gets the master measure door and he know this is something peculiar. There is a chair propped up against the doorknob, but it's like a door that opens the other way, so it's like not actually stopping anything, you know, how you do that. He's like, this is weird. So he takes the door, throws it down the stairs. The chair throws it down the stairs, like this is stupid. Whoever did this? He just doesn't think much of it. He's like, that was weird, opens the door and bang, bang baby what. His friend comes running up the stairs after hearing this loud bag to find Marvin on the ground leg just obliterated, and there's like a shotgun up by the door with like some twine run brand to the door, and so he is like, holy crap, he just got booby trapped. So he grabs him and drags him out of the house and he takes him uh to a hospital, uh like the next town over, and they're like, what happened here? And he's like, you're not gonna believe this. We were playing hide and seek and no, they're adults. Tell him exactly what happened, and so they they do all the surgery. They managed to save his leg. They're they're like, we may end up having to amputate this, but like, at least for now, you're gonna be all right. He ends up getting tried for the burglary, yeah, and he goes to prison. They do end up being able to save his leg, but it's like it's in rough shape and he's he's deformed for the rest of his life. It's a very serious injury. Serves a year in prison, gets out of prison, and it's like, my leg is toasted, my legs, legs, he's just got his yoked leg. What had happened was Edward said, hey, we're gonna stop this once and for all, and so he's like, I'm gonna booby trot the house and him and his wife go back and forth like, well, him and his wife go back and forth about this and his wife. He does the gun, and his wife was like, he's like, honey, what are you doing. She's like, I don't help it. He goes thanks. So so he sets this up in the master bedroom because she says, well, there's a lot of kids who explore like, we can't put it by the front door, because what if a kid just comes in, like we don't want to get away. Yeah, yeah, someone who's not like actually trying to rob the place. And so they choose the master bedroom because're like, oh, if they get the master bedroom, they're actually like trying to steal some stuff, you know. And so they winded up in the master bedroom and he calls her up to see it to check it out, and he's like, look, we got it. And so she actually says, oh, you're aiming at like their chest, that'll kill them. And she's like, I don't want you to kill them, like aiming a little lower, so you hit their legs and so you just take them out, but like you don't actually kill them. And he's like, fine, it's a real standard ground kind of got I mean, here's that, this is this is Southeast Iowa. Here's the thing if his friend wasn't there, he would have died, like he would have led right there, like there's no way he's surviving that either way, and it would have just been a much more painful death. But he and he I know that teens break in and find legs blown away, yikes, And so he does. You break in and he's still alive, and he's just out there going yeahs as high school kids, they don't help. They run, They run so fast they tell no one. They're crying, they're losing it. They're just traumatized. Isn't that funny? So, m hey, if you need a boost of confidence, let me give you a quick ha. Just wear a shirt size bigger than you usually do. You know what I'm saying. Right now you're wearing large, and just buy an excel you know, uh, And we have plenty of sizes available in our merch store if you go to tilling dot com. And so that'll help you boost your confidence overnight. Is that good? Can I say that you can say whatever you want dot com slash merch. That sounds awful. So they tilt, they tilt it down. He tilts it down and then he puts he nails a piece of tin over the window so no one can see it through the window. Okay, could have just close the blinds, nails a piece of the window. Thanks, nailed the pieces in o the window, cox the shotgun, ties the string to it, closes the door carefully, and then his wife and one last effort to like maybe stop someone from going through, puts the puts the chair up. Yeah. She's like, maybe this will stop them. Maybe they'll see this and think I shouldn't go in there. And so that's what I'm saying. And so, uh, he gets out of prison and he's like, he's like this, like I have to go back. He's like, he's like this doesn't seem fair. He's like he's like I don't think this is fair. He's like he's like I stole some antiques whatever. Yeah, I served my time. And he's like, but the whole thing that you did in my leg not cool. And so he calls up some lawyers and he's like I want to sue him, and so he takes them to court for battery. Uh, and it's like, you guys, it's not self defense. Yeah, And so he takes this to court. And what is interesting is this became like this lengthy thing that actually went to the Iowa Supreme Court for them to try to rule what what do we do with this case? Because a booby trap your house? Yeah, because at the end of the day, like in Iowa, you're allowed to use force, uh, standard ground state. Y. Yeah, well it's a standard ground state. But that only applies for life, right, But you can use force for property, but you can't take a life for property unless your life's threatened, you know, if that makes sense. Okay, So there's a level to your violence depending on what is being threatened. And so because there wasn't anyone living there and there was no one present at the time, there became the question of like, okay, is this a valid use of force property? Because yeah, because there's no one actually living in the house who was actually being threatened by Kaco. And so this became this really lengthy battle back and forth where they were saying, okay, if is the because it was a shotgun, is that where do we draw this line? Was the debate? Uh, And it ended up going back and forth all the way to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court justice ended up in Iowa ended up ruling in favor of Kaco, and Katko then got the whole uh damages plus like the emotional damage, and the Supreme Court justice said he like at tacked on an extra like twelve grand. So it ended up being like a fifty sixty grand case that they owed him after he broke in and robbed them because okay, because they wanted to make an example, because they're like, yeah, you can't booby drop your house, okay. And so they appeal and they try to take this back and they lose their appeal. They actually appeal I think three times, trying to appeal this case to no self defense. It's defensive property and you can't yeah yeah, booby trap it. Yeah. And so they end up basically saying the punishment doesn't fit the crime. What you did, like what you did, you took justice in your own manners, and you seriously at him and you deformed him for life over just some stuff that's true, some antique stuff that's true. And so this became a rule of line in Iowa and many other states across the country. Now, yes, I'll take my bear traps down. Well, that was the thing that they talked about, is Kako or the Brandy's defense talked about. CaCO kept calling it traps and the Brandy's were like, well, it's not traps because no one can just happen upon them. A trap is you you can just fall, like be walking in the woods and just happen upon this trap where this is like you have to be you have to have intent at that point, because you broke into the house. You're deep enough into the house you've got intent to cause harm. But it's not body harm, it's harmed to property. And so it ended up being this huge thing now to this day, it is this huge law school case where it's like a famous case in law school where they study it and they argue it and you have to argue both sides in law school even though you know the results. Well maybe they don't until they finished the assignment. I don't know. I don't know how that works. I've never been to law school. Yeah, I don't know if you can tell house is dilapidated. Uh but uh so the Britanny's end up having to pay this fine and they lose it. So he goes back to his house and he just litters it with shotguns. Just every door has a shot word on it. Yeah, Edward's just putting shotgun after shotgun. He's He's like, but I forget that didn't happen. I liked the idea of him like losing it and going on this he just paid it. Yeah, well, I don't know how, Like I'm sure they went on a payment plan and didn't actually pay it like most cases, they just paid the minimum payment every month. But yeah, so they lost that case and Kaka walked away with the cash in that. Yeah, that's the story. Oh all right, Well I was fifteen minutes, I was thirty. I was thirty. Yeah, it's thirty. You can vamp at. Yeah, so that is no wild. It's wild that he got out of jail and said I'm gonna sue him. Yeah, but I mean, honestly, once you've served jail and like you've done that, especially in like the sixties seventies, se do you want to do? You know, like, you what do you have to lose by not suing them? I guess, But I feel like the seventies was pre like sue mania. Yeah, so that was kind of like a big step to sue someone back then. I think I don't know, unless he had like a friend or somebody that was like a lawyer who was like, really they did. No one was home. I doubt, you know, unless someone presented that idea to him. Yeah maybe, I mean, who knows. He thought about going back to school and then getting a law degree and then just being a slazy lawyer. Yeah. I thought about going and like reading a bunch of law books to see who's wrong me and be like, oh, turns out that was a law I've thought about, like in my apartment in California. Yeah, I just thought about just tunneling into the mountain side and creating a TikTok where I can make some money. But then when the state finds out that I'm doing it, I have to stop and resort to thirst traps. I thought about it. I thought about doing that that our podcast, our podcast has been shadow band. Yeah trap, Oh my gosh, that's it. I'm telling you, when you think thirst trap, you're thinking the wrong thing. Whatever you're thinking of a thirst trap. It's not that I'm telling you. I'm telling you you have no idea what I'm talking about. Okay, it's just the best. It's the only word that exists to describe what it is. But it's not what it is you know, well, I'll tell you what I think. I actually think about people breaking into my house quite a bit. Why, Well, it's fear. Yeah, Now did you watch that. You watched that documentary of the couple right that the yeah with the swimmer you swimsuits, swim goggles. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, and the whole first episode. Did you know how it ended? Though? Yeah, I didn't know. So the whole first episode. We we finished the first episode of me and Ray were both just like, she's making this up. This is fake. This is so fake. It does seem fake. And then even the second episode you're like, this is fakey and the third episode they're like it's real, gotcha, And you're like oh yeah. And so there's a little bit of that that fear sometimes at any time someone could break in. Sure, But what do you think about this? People are I think that we live in an apartment, and I think that we are safer than people who like live in a house. Yeah. I think I think there's a sense that you can get away with more out of house because like in an apartment, it's like, oh, there's upstairs, meambers, there's downstairs. Yeah, there's like walls that Yeah, people can hear what's also you've been my apartment, Like we're kind of not off the main road, but we're like up off the main road. Yours is a little bit more like hidden up, kind of secret your way in there. Yeah. Yeah, there's some some nooks and cram brown or cloth spiders. We got them out there. Did you know that I killed one yesterday? Yeah, that's rough I heard. Yeah, so I'm setting some traps, right because I don't want the problem is like a cat's right. But I also so I've got a shotgun it every day. Well, my wife has a d D and she forgets that they're there. And so my wife has been shot four times. Yeah I know it wasn't for her. Spiders all right, Anyway, what would you do so one brace in your house? Now, Yeah, we've talked about this. I'd run down the hallway full speed. That's assuming they're down where they break in in this scenario, your back door, any door, any door door with the way my house is set up where they break up. Yeah, where no matter where they break in, I'm running down that hall shirtless. Oh okay, and hopefully the sight of me in the pitch darkness, sprinting down that all shirtless, barefoot is enough to make them say, Oh, I gotta get out of here. Oh I gotta get out of here. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm gonna be honest with you. Once I get there, I don't know what I'm doing. Hey, if you liked that episode, here's what these people should have done. Okay, we have an episode about the Watcher of six five seven Boulevard. Now, these people moved into a house and they started receiving letters from a mysterious figure who called themselves the Watcher of that house. And it served it was ominous, it was threatening letters, and this is where I would have personally just burned the house down. But they should have started booby trapping it because this person was writing letters and kind of claiming that they were getting inside the house. So it's a very weird, creepy story. 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Edward and Bertha Briney were a couple who inherited an old family farmhouse in rural Iowa back in the 1960s. They didn’t live there themselves but wanted to keep it for sentimental reasons and to store family heirlooms. Over the years, as the house fell into disrepair, it became a spot for local teens to break into – some just to explore and hang out, others to vandalize and steal. Despite the Brineys’ efforts to secure the property with locks and signs, the unwanted visitors kept finding their way inside.

Setting the Trap

Having had enough after a decade of break-ins, Edward Briney hatched a plan. He set up a shotgun trap in the master bedroom, aimed low, and tied it to the doorknob. His rationale was that anyone getting that deep into the house had criminal intent. Soon after, a man named Marvin Katko broke in with a friend. When Katko opened the rigged bedroom door, the shotgun went off, severely injuring his leg.

The Case

After serving a year in prison for burglary, Katko decided to sue the Brineys for damages – not just medical bills, but emotional suffering too. What followed was a lengthy legal battle that made its way to the Iowa Supreme Court. The central question was whether Briney’s actions constituted self-defense of property. Since no one was living in the home and directly threatened by the break-in, setting up a potentially lethal booby trap crossed the line into vigilantism.

The Ruling

The court ultimately ruled in Katko’s favor, ordering the Brineys to pay tens of thousands in damages. The case established an important precedent – while property owners have a right to defend their homes from intruders, they cannot take justice into their own hands by setting traps intended to maim or kill, especially when no one is home to be directly endangered.

This fascinating case reveals the nuances around using force and highlights the risks of escalating security measures. It serves as a cautionary tale that zealous self-defense can backfire badly. While the Brineys’ property was repeatedly violated, Katko did not deserve to be crippled over some stolen antiques. His greed in exploiting the situation for financial gain was also questionable, but the court determined that his injury outweighed the initial crime.

Conclusion

The story provokes debate about where to draw the line in defending one’s home. Property certainly warrants protection, but not at the cost of human life or limb. This incident shows how quickly an obsessive desire for security can lead to harmful overreach. It reminds us that justice should be left to the proper authorities whenever possible, not pursued through vigilante booby traps.

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