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00:00 Hey man, what's up? Happy to be here by the way. I don't believe you. Okay, 00:09 must have an inje creamy. The rest of the second make is forty grams of protein for only three hundred and eighty calories, but you know what has a really bad protein to calorie ratio crack cocaine. 00:30 Things I learned last night. 00:39 Hey, have you ever heard of actually? You know what I was gonna say? What I was gonna ask you if you ever heard of this, but I'm just gonna show you a picture and you tell me if you have ever heard of this sure and you have to describe it also to the listen. All right, okay. Have you ever heard of this? Okay, so for the audio listener, m it's a what is a ninety six convertible sports car and it's a you know painted like a police car. 01:07 can't tell which town of police it is, but it says to resist drugs and violence and then the word Dore the D A R E do do. How do you say it, Tim Dare Dare? Yeah, we're talking about the dare program. Yeah, we're talking about dare. Okay, so did day are we going to find out in this episode? Did dare 01:37 make things worse. Yeah, we're going to find out at this episode. Okay, okay, okay, okay, but also was there an excuse for police departments to buy cool cars and wrap them in this so they could have a giant person, not a giant person, a normal person dresses a giant lion sitting in the back. Was that the whole premise that was the bag? you go. Yeah, the mascot is a is a lion, four fingers because they I did it and then 02:05 What do you say? What's the back seat? Was he those are sideways seats? Oh okay, those are sideways. each other. Sorry for me being stupid. Those are obviously sideways seats. Why would I not know that? Is this a Mercedes? I can't tell what a Pontiac Trans Am. That's what I'm wondering. Is this like like like this is the kind of car that you make a convertible and everyone season to like you made that a convertible. No, I'm pretty sure that comes as a convertible. Yeah, that's what I'm saying and I think I feel you see it and you're like why is that car a convertible? 02:36 Oh, Pontiac made it a convertible. that's what I'm saying. It's got it. It comes that way. But everyone's like, should that be a this is the day or vehicle? Yeah, this is a dare. A dare police car. Cool rims. I will say that for sure. Sure. Right off the front. I spent a lot of time on the rims. That's for sure. We don't have a lot of other content to get to, I guess. He was mad at me 40 minutes later. Clock it right now. 02:58 clock it 40 minutes, 40 minutes from now, Tim's gonna go a lot to cover. He's gonna be like, hey, man, we got a lot to get to and then remember that at minute. I don't know one, two and a half two minutes and thirty seconds. He was like, oh, it's got some pretty cool rims and pretty crazy. Pontiac made this a convertible. Just remember that because I think about it every day. He told me I was even like, I I got to sneak some bits into this. I'm gonna try to some funny stuff. 03:27 and he said save it for the second episode we record today because this one's got a lot of content. That's the dad. I did not say I did not say save all your bits. You could do some. Oh, you know what he said? He said the next one doesn't have a lot of content. So just so you know, next week's episode probably sucks. Check it out on page right now. 03:46 all right. I didn't say don't do any bits though. I want you to do some bits in this episode. I want all your bits of this episode, but I want some of your bid safe for the next episode. Nothing's funny about drugs. 04:00 cigarettes are cool though. We love those if you're if you're gonna, you want to do your a bit. I want you to do a story. Okay, Jaron Jaron's energy today is weird. Jared's been doing tell him about your little thank you bit that you started before this my thank you bit manners. Whenever I hand you something, I do expect you to go. Thanks 04:27 is that we turn on face is exactly what I face a human reaction. Oh yeah, such a good bit dude. It's so funny that you expect me to thank you for stuff dude. Yeah, your Jaren's been doing this funny bit where he sees me in public and he waves oh a moron. Put your arm down, put that arm down you psycho. All right, so now it's minute four 04:52 fifteen and like in in thirty eight minutes, Tim's going to be like wow man, we lost a lot of time. We got to freaking go. Just remember that Tim was like waving's bad. I didn't say that you just put your hand down unless it's lifting a cigarette to my house. That's what Tim said. Put that on a put that on a dare program sign. Huh? 05:14 Okay, so tell me about the their program. Yeah, we grew up in the nineties. Did they have it at your Lutheran school? They did not have it. I was gonna say it, but when I was in grade school we had it. If you don't know the dare program is the program is it is when the is when a police officer from your brand. I feel like teenagers right now it's a brand. They wear their shirts like oh do they really like it's a brand so 05:37 then they don't know the trauma we went through when you're sitting in third grade and a police officer from your town in full uniform comes in and tells you that any day you're going to get kidnapped on the way home as I remember that talk where he was like don't talk to anybody but your teacher look at her face memorize it because someone's going to try to dress like her and convince you that it's her, it's not mrs. Campbell. All right, that is a predator trying to take you home in Mount Vernon, Missouri, because they really thought that someone who 06:06 was a man could wear a wig and be like hey, I'm your teacher, Miss Campbell, and then we'd be like and then kids are dumb enough to be like yeah, you are. You do look like the person I just get in your ban nine hours a day with 06:21 I didn't know you drove a rusty and speaking of rusty weird vans on the way here. I took that. So what also would happen is they would bring drugs to the school and they would go. Here's what meth looks like. They actually did that and you would go oh and they said don't ever look at one again. Yeah, don't make eye contact with this man. If you look at it, you get addicted and then they would go to the kid 06:48 probably most likely to get addicted and they were just dangling in front of his face. You want this mess, don't you? And he's in second grade and he's like, I guess and they're like, that's the wrong answer. They beat the heck out of that kid in front of everybody in the class. He just a lesson. Yeah, they're like, see, look what he looks and the whole time he did it. He's like, hurts me more than it hurts him. 07:10 and there was crazy and then all the way out he planted that kids with drugs and arrested him. It was crazy. I remember do there's so many things about the day or program that are so like there's this like little you know how your memory just has little moments. Yeah, I remember one time in this had to be middle school, so six or seventh grade. There was a trouble kid in our in our grade um 07:36 which is probably different than the Lutheran school trouble kid. Your Lutheran school trouble kid just said cuss words every once while true. Ours was like a hardened criminal dude. He had like he had like the mohawk and eyeliner in sixth grade. You're like yeah, you know and what the dare officer put handcuffs on him. Oh, and then this kid has been arrested. I think before at this point and did the thing where he pulled it underneath his butt and then pulled the handcuffs underneath his legs and then had the handcuffs in front of him. Yeah, 08:05 and then was trying to get out of the handcuffs the whole time and like got pretty close and I don't think it made that day officer very happy that a sixth grader was usurping his authority in this class interesting, but I always remember the officer handcuffing that six that sixth grader interesting and it wasn't like he was doing it to be like ah you know shut up. Don't talk while I'm talking. He was just he picked a random kid to splay the handcuffs on 08:36 and it just happened to be the kid who yeah, I was like, it's like it's probably this kid. This kid's probably he profiled that kid. He actually probably has arrested that kid. He's like, I think that let me it again. Yeah, you know, interesting. Okay, the whole thing was a ploy to get that kid. They started the dare program as a sting operation to get. I think his name is Harley. Interesting. Well, anyways, 09:00 On June 5th, 1968, Robert F. Kennedy was shot at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California, and this is how the story needs to begin. 09:14 I don't know if there's anything funny about an assassination. Why are you laughing? I don't anyways, so right now, right now, so why don't you dare to take it seriously? Okay, I'll take that there. So on June 5th, wait, Robert F Kennedy was shot at the Ambassador Hotel right in Los Angeles, California by John Wilkes booth. Nailed it. No, by a guy named Sir Hans or hon 09:44 I'm crazy. I actually don't think hear that. Here's the deal. There's a big conspiracy about it. Maybe there was a second shooter. We don't know. I know who did it. 09:57 What we do know for sure is there were two thousand three hundred photos taken at the event. There were wait. Are we not talking about the dear program? We are. Why are you setting up an R K? we do now is that two thousand six hundred and eighty three photos now from this angle? There are a hundred and seventy one 10:22 Why do we not have any from this angle? There was a photographer we can see in this shot. We can see the photographer standing over here. Here's the thing. There's no way someone could have made a shot from over here. There has to be a second shooter. What are you talking about? What I'm saying is there are over two thousand photos taken at the event. The LAPD at the event seized the cameras of every photographer that was there. 10:50 Okay, they took all the film because they're like, this is evidence sure of this assassination at the time attempt, but he later passed away. So the actual assassination after reviewing all of these photographs at some point in the investigation, LAPD decides the best thing to do is to burn all the photographs from the event, uh which is sketchy. And so 11:20 In the wake of this, the Los Angeles chief of police loses his job and a new chief of police is named a guy by the name of Daryl Gates. And Daryl Gates is, mean, on one hand, product of his environment. Obviously there's some corruption. Obviously. If they burned all those photographs, there was clearly what we know for sure is there was clearly a narrative that LAPD was trying to spin of the event. 11:50 We don't really know why, but we do know that they got in trouble for it and the chief of police was removed because of it. Okay. And so Darrell Gates was named the new chief of police and he did some uh significant things uh in his tenure as chief of police. He, he became, or he invented the SWAT team, a strong start to his, his career. He was the chief of police. 12:20 uh during the uh LA riots after the murder of Rodney King. Yeah, the did they kill him or did they just arrest him? Yeah. And maybe I don't remember that story really well. They killed a running king story. Did they kill him? But well, the fact that you called me LA riots instead of the Rodney King riots is interesting. uh But so he's he's not doing good things then. No, yes, no, yes, absolutely not corrupt. 12:47 in the middle of his career, right smack in the middle of his career in the late seventies early eighties. He ran a group called the P did, which is the public, what's his role? He is the chief police chief of police yeah, the LAPD. He puts together the P did the public disorder intelligence division, public disorder, intelligence, okay, and the idea was pretty simple. He said you look drug abuse is an issue in our schools. It would be sweet if I had 13:17 a spy network in the schools and so he I'm telling you, I knew the second officer Lacey came into our classroom. I said this guy's a narc. I tried to tell you their kids. I was in kindergarten and I was like he's a narc. Don't trust him. He literally did 21 jump street. He had undercover cops that went and were high schoolers and went to high school and were looking for the drug dealers in the high school was the concept. Literally 13:47 were there drug dealers in the high schools? I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen like reports that said that most likely probably some and we're talking about drug dealers. Are we talking like it's marijuana? It was that sort of saying like let's be real like it's not like yeah. This thing happens yeah, the a cl you finds out and they're like hey, I don't think you're allowed to do that and so this ends up becoming this massive court case and the 14:15 US government, the federal government shuts down the PD ID. They're like, yeah, you can't just spy on kids in schools and you can't send undercover officers in there without a reason in advance. Like you have to have evidence that there's yeah, there's got to be to send an undercover officer into the sure. And he was so mad about this. He was like, I had one of the best spy networks in the public school system. Anyone's ever had in the school system and the federal government shut it down. And he was very, very frustrated about 14:43 okay, so he spent some time trying to figure out how can he replace his spy now and he found out about the L. school board had like a program called the smart program. They've been running for how long he's been chief of police at this point. I mean at this point this is I believe it was the early nineties when they shut down his PDI, so he's been the chief of police for the chief police for a while. He ran the PDI for a long time, so I see how it's relevant that we started at RF case 15:13 No, that's how he became chief of police. Okay, that's how he got here. Okay, and it's important because it paints the background that he was already a high ranking official in the polo. Okay, okay, okay, so he was burning the photos, a part of burning all these fun yeah yeah he's doing some sketchy stuff as one trying to illustrate and then he started the SWAT team sketchy started uh the PID sketchy. The PID gets shut down and he says what we do. 15:40 and so he finds out about the smart program, which is an L. school district program to combat drug abuse in their schools yeah, and they have been running for years and this was run by the actual school board and they had brought in and partnered with local universities to pilot programs that could actually make a difference sure and they had attempted uh many years earlier a program where they would go into the schools 16:09 and they would equip teachers to educate the kids about drug abuse yeah and the dangers of it. Why you shouldn't do it and what they found is that this program was not effective at all. It actually led to an increase in drug abuse in their schools and they think the reason for that is because it made it seem kind of cool. Look at this picture of these teens on drugs just like a house party and they're like 16:36 and it's like look at these these idiots throwing away their future and kids are like those kids are pretty hot. So by the early nineties they had come up with a peer to peer program that they were running that they were seeing much more success with and it was actually having really good results like there was they were saying drug abuse in the schools drop while they when they were using this peer to peer program and the concept was essentially you would pick a handful of kids. 17:04 to be your ambassadors of drugs or mad. 17:11 I remember this happening at my school to you can tell me if I made this up in my head. I don't think I did did your school do a fake drunk driving accident. What do you mean? What do mean? Can you describe this to because I don't your school do a fake drug? Okay, so I'm not crazy this welcome to public school. Here's why we there was a day and I don't know if this is what you're describing. There was a day where they pulled a drunk crash car into our parking lot and we're like this could be you and it was 17:40 it was broken. They, I think that might have been how this idea started and they were like the kids aren't getting it. We need to act it out okay, and so they had someone sit in the car and be dead and then they had other teens freak out and be like oh my gosh and like do this whole crisis play and the fire department would roll up and they would try to save that person and like you would see people on the phone sobbing to their mom. 18:10 being like oh my gosh, you know, Jennifer just died crying on their phone and we're all just standing out front of the school and they so they got just they got Jennifer. She was a theater student. They were like yeah, they're all ready for the role of your. I think it's real. None of us are out there being like are we watching Jennifer die right now? I thought no. I they were like we're going to crash on the way into class today. No, no one's going to know that might be where it is now. That's what I'm saying is that when we got in it just it just 18:38 seemed like uh anyway. We were all out front of the school and we just had to stand there and watch their little play, so it was. It was more like a there was the ding. Well, the student body please report to the parking lot. Well, it was like and then jennifer was like well, our bell was like and then they should go there. All students please report to the front of the school and we would go out there. 19:01 Oh, this is please dead in the car. Everyone's got like, what's Jennifer doing in the car? Jennifer, the principal come out and go, okay, guys, we have a presentation of the local police department before we do, please turn around to the flag and we're all going to say the word allegiance together. So the whole school is out there going and then like some kids like first in the world, like I with all this makeup and she's got a hand. 19:25 I pledge allegiance. And then we're standing there cars behind us at this point. We're like, I pledge allegiance to the Republic for which it stands. Indivisible with liberty. 19:42 and then the guy who was supposed to start the car on fire actually did it a little too early. The pledge just got to the they forgot there's a case of fireworks in the trunk. It really went off the rails pretty quick. No, I mean like but your school did like there was a presentation. Yeah, it was a whole thing. It was a whole. I forget they call it something. They call it the first dead in the parking lot presentation. The Jennifer's dead in the put hey guys, it's time for well this week we've got 20:11 just this is the staff. This is explaining to the teachers what the week is going to be like all right, it's like all right, my everybody gets home coming. We guys Monday's just making sure you guys know that we're going to do an all staff lunch. We're catering really grateful for you. It is homecomings on Friday that you know Tuesday is still a day. Other chaperones for that yeah. If you could volunteer, we also do a dog tears next month is we're doing a bake sale on the step 20:39 ah Thursday is the Jennifer's dead in the parking lot day. Does anybody have any questions on how that's going to run? 20:50 No, it is the same as last year. Different Jennifer. Good question. Good question. Yeah, actually, this is this is unfortunate. Last year's Jennifer em 21:01 the the drug driving accident, so it's turns out well. She needed to be the one what this is bad. I'm not proud of her family donated her car. I wasn't trying to go. She got a drunk driving as I was just going. She passed away and you were like yeah and actually she didn't learn a lesson. I wasn't going that round, but you can leave it in. We can leave in because we have remorse. uh 21:31 as long as we feel bad, feel bad about the joke. can stay, but was I don't was that part of the dare program Alex or was that just I feel like that had to have been related, but I yeah, I don't remember that being like directly within the sure assemblies. I feel like it was its own thing for some reason. I feel like it was just, I don't know me so weird. So that's what we did in our town and it definitely had the 21:59 the car that was mangled would get brought and I think and it be in the parking lot for like a week. You know what helped us growing up in a small town with drunk drivers was the tractors can only go fifteen miles. So it didn't really matter. You couldn't ruin your life on fifteen miles an hour. 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So if that sounds great to you, you can go to support.tilling.com or tilling.com slash support, uh or just tilling.com and search around until you find the links and become a Patreon supporter. really appreciate you doing that. But if not, right back to the episode, right? 23:08 so yeah, Jennifer's dead interesting and the police didn't do anything about it. 23:16 they actually there's like twenty of them there and no one else are out of the car, but they really work crisis actors essentially like that's what it was yeah yeah and I'm very weird. You learned it's like that that viral video right now of the school shooting. Have you seen that Alex God where the police are teaching about a school shooting like it could happen at any moment and a cop comes around the corner and just fires the teachers like one guy tackles him like so 23:45 Alarming. 23:49 I think like the response from all those teachers. It's one of those things. You can't tell if it's a sketch or not because they respond because they responded quick, the correct. they either knew it was going to happen or it's a sketch right or they the teacher did a really good job teaching them what to do yeah ten minutes before this was the end of their day yeah, and they knew how to respond. That's crazy interesting. So the smart program okay switch to the peer to peer program, which the peer to peer program is just high schoolers teach it because I think that also happened in our school. 24:19 was the high schoolers came down and taught us middle schoolers like, hey, it's not cool to party. Yeah. Did your town and I know we're doing tangents. I just want to know if our town was crazy. Did this happen to your school too? No. Okay. We had high schoolers in our town who would go to gas stations and try to buy cigarettes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then if, and my cousin actually got, Caitlin got a ticket for this. um 24:45 was because she sold cigarettes and was just in a rush. It was a busy morning. I think they do that everywhere. Kid looked old enough and sold them cigarettes, but he was 19 and not 21. So she got it. And then literally the police come in right there, like they freaking Chris Hansen them. They come in and they go, why did you sell cigarettes to that kid? it's like, why didn't you? Cigarettes are cool. Oh, because he's got a beard and a mullet and he sounds like this. So mean, I'm not the first to do it. Because you gave him a state issued fake ID. 25:13 How am I supposed to be able to tell that that was fake? Also dude, it's cool. Also cigarettes are cool. Shut up. You're freaking narc, but like that's an R at our high school. They had a high schoolers who volunteered for it and I never did because I didn't want to get beat up. Yeah, I mean it essentially it was a volunteer program and those kids would go through like the education and then they would be a representative. 25:41 what they told everybody. They're so annoying to they're like I'm an undercover person. Well, you blew it. It wasn't undercover that it was. It literally it was. It was evangelism like they it was like we're going to teach a couple of these kids. They're going to teach all their friends and they're going to teach their friends and then the whole school is good. That's what the peer to peer kind of was the idea and it actually worked because it's like influencers like you the kids who have the most influence in the school and you get them to teach the rest of the school that hey, we don't think this is cool here and then everyone's like hey guys it in 26:10 today we're talking about my must haves and my must nots must have must have is this labooboo or what was it called the boo boo boo must have because everyone's got it. I don't actually like it that much, but everyone else has one, so I had to buy one had to get must not this bag of method. 26:31 must have an inja creamy. The rest of these I could make is forty grams of protein for only three hundred and eighty calories, but you know what has a really bad protein to calorie ratio crack cocaine. 26:51 here's my Amazon finds five must haves and also don't do don't do don't do dope would have been a way better. know what is dope not dope. 27:11 it's a it's a little cup with a handle on it. I can put my mind to ice cream in so that my hand doesn't get cold. Is it useless? Of course, of course, but do I get a high commission on the tick tock shop? You know it, you know it, you what I don't get a high commission on hair, what fit and all 27:29 Don't do drugs. 27:34 Follow for more. 27:38 and then you got the other guy who was like follow for my meth recipes. You know what and what sucks is that he doesn't even include it in the in the post he has it. He hasn't a link in his bio. You gotta go link to the bio mail capture yeah, and then I to him an email. Yeah, yeah, it's a nightmare, so that format having the influencers, the peer to peer program worked the best and they actually saw a decrease in drug abuse in their schools from doing this peer to peer program, and so the smart group 28:08 The smart program was like, hey, we're going to do more of this. We're going to roll it out to more sure. Meanwhile, Darrell Gates is like, I lost all my spies and he's like, I hear about the smart program. I'm going to go talk to them. And so one day after a smart program board meeting, he shows up and he's outside and he runs into some of them in the hall and he's like, hey, you guys still doing that smart program thing? And they were like, yeah, and it's a little different now. We're not doing the thing, the education program. He's like, oh, oh, well, you should do the education program thing again. 28:38 and what if like police officers did it and they're like I don't think that would work very well actually and he was like I think it worked really really good if it was cops doing it. I think it's great because like just imagine you're in third period right it's math and then one of my one of my new teams we actually just named them SWAT. I do what I stand for my geography class got swatted today. That's a new thing people should do so the 29:08 people in the summer. It's like yeah. I think we can pull it off. I think we can just you know send in the SWAT team to the class. This one just regular cops, just regular beat cops will scare these kids scared straight. Yeah, it's the concept and so the but the smart board is like we hate the idea it did not work with teachers and they show him the data and he's like he's like I think it was a gap in it work with cops. Yeah, it would work better with cops. Now know we kids hate teachers, but if there's anything the teens love, it's cop, the police kids really like the police. 29:38 And so smart board pretty much just shuts them down and they're like, we're not going to do it. We're not going to bring you in and we're going to continue doing the program that is actually working. Okay. And so he leaves dejected and he says, I'll start my own program. Where's the next place I could go. So he sits in his car and he opens up Google maps and he says, uh, take me to a place that will let me bring cops to school. And the rotary club comes up and he's like, perfect. So he drives to the rotary club and 30:06 basically tells them his idea and they loved it and so the rotary club is like a lot of business owners and things uh that you don't live there. They are a part of the club yeah yeah. You're not part of it, so he tells them as I sorry he doesn't know our ways. 30:30 So he goes to road club and a bunch of do that bunch of business owners are like oh yeah, we love this idea and so they said yeah, we'll help fund this and so he gets a group of officers. What funding is okay? Yeah, I don't know what funding there is in the beginning. I mean they had to get the graphic design for that that lion true and the cool dare. He means it after himself dare, dare, old dare and that's not why he did it. Here's the thing. 30:58 in interviews with people who worked closely with him at LAPD. They said he's one of the biggest narcissists they've ever met in his life. I'm fairly confident there's no way that dare and Darrell are that close together and that wasn't part of his motivation for coming up with that name and he named it Darrell the lion. Is it isn't not? I don't know. Actually, what I don't remember what the lion's name, what's the hound? You know, talking about the investigative how does that part of dare? I don't think that's part of the dare. Is that just a cartoon? 31:27 Oh, it's Darren, Darren, yeah, which I just don't know that I think about it in eighth grade. I don't think I graduated the dare program. I think you had to write like a paper at the end and I literally was like what are you going to do a way me wait, hold on, hold on, hold yeah. The dog is part of it, isn't it? I don't think it's part of it. Hold, hold your horses though, hold on other horses. 31:56 a a uh 32:26 yeah, a cartoon character play it through. It's a cartoon character from what from the dare program. No, it's it's from an ad. It was the National Crime Prevention Council did this and there was an ad that take a bite up of crime. What year did that launch? Nineteen eighty, so it was around before okay yeah, so this is just like they're like hey, it's a cool thing. We got our lion that 32:55 it'd be like if they were like if they were like hey, you're lighten up and then we have smokey the bear here as well. Different cartoon yeah okay, okay, okay, okay, sure the gruff the time dog, the crime doc, he knows yeah yeah yeah. So yeah, they had to put together these. They obviously had to buy all the drugs to bring to the the schools, so I don't what the funding was. I'm going to be honest. I don't know what the only wasn't this earlier era. 33:24 But they put together a board of directors, a of business owners, and then a handful of cops, the chief of police, obviously, Darryl. And they found a school that was like, yeah, you can try it. And so they went into schools, and we've already described it. They would do assemblies, and they would tell kids how drugs kill you, and you shouldn't touch them. ah it was a scared straight program for drugs. uh I've got a couple pictures of these things happening in schools. Here's one that was highly televised. 33:51 with also the actor from this is us as the cop in this one. This is your joking, but go back why not see who else is in the photo that you just showed? Oh, are you dumb? Maybe that's why it's being filmed. That's probably why there's all that press there is because Nancy Reagan is also in this photo. Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty fair. 34:18 and he's like it's the actor from this is us more on. It's the first lady. Yeah, the reggans loved this idea. Yeah, I bet here's another one a little bit further down the time. He's wearing a bulletproof vest. This is military police in a classroom full of children. You know I'm talking about. Yeah, you know I'm talking about they have the dare lion, the stuffed lion up on the on the that was in our classroom. Yeah, nothing tells kids not to do this more than 34:47 judged our police aren't people coming in their classroom, um so they did this. What happened in our town too is that uh they send the officer to our school right um and I my sophomore year high school is when we started having a dedicated police officer in the school all the time. Yeah, we didn't have that all through my childhood yeah, but what 35:15 that my small town didn't account for is that there are eight police officers. And so there's a thin thin to choose from. And all eight of these guys you have posted on a public YouTube channel of them getting tased. 35:37 and you guys didn't understand. We understood because we're young. We know how to use computers, how to download those videos, how to remix them, how to put songs behind them. Someone made someone made a of the dare officer. This then the whole thing in my school, it got passed around when I was a sophomore in high school was we didn't like the cop that was hanging out of the school every day and there was he got tased and when he got tased, he sounded like a moose that was dying. You know, talking about music. Yeah, yeah. 36:03 and so someone had taken it and then like a like it was. I need to try to find that video that's incredible. Like it was the way you got that same rhythm reckon remember dude. It was you didn't have to do that. don't I don't don't talk about and then they would just walk away. They would walk by him in the hallway playing a video of him getting taste. That's how 36:33 much they disrespected the police officer that was at our school. That's crazy, so interesting. So what is very interesting about this is they started doing it in the school yeah, and they did the education program. They came up with this curriculum where they went through every drug and you learned how bad it was and then you learned that you go to prison and you scare the kids, but they also 37:02 put together. They had like what was the word for it, a confidential box and so every dear program gave the classroom a confidential dare box and it was kind of like you could drop off your drugs. No, it was kind of like remember a Valentine's Day grow. Oh, drop the Valentine's Day. Everyone's box you could like report yeah, and so if you were like hey, I think someone's doing drugs. You could slide your report in that bucket 37:30 and the cop would come by occasionally and check what was in the bucket and so and it was a big event. They he'd walk in the room and everybody would be like buck it buck it and he'd open it up and then he'd look and he didn't read it and what are talking about in of the whole class? He'd be like Tommy is doing drugs and then he would arrest him in front of all the kids and then time like no no, I'm not. It really was like it was trying to teach kids like this is what a jury of your peers is right and so like then 37:59 You pull the kid up in front of the class and then we walk him through a whole thing and we take a vote at the end of like, you think that he's innocent or guilty? Yeah, I did get an F on our test once. So I wrote my teacher's name, put it in the box as Mrs. Neely is doing drugs. Please bring the cops to school. And she's actually served a $25 for right now. Yeah. Who's learned their lesson now? Yeah. Who do you think got an F? I think she gets out next year. 38:28 hopefully she's a man. I for wrongfully sorry I ruined your life because I was a 38:43 Yeah, I mean it really was. It was a suggestion box that they put in every classroom. The suggestion was, think somebody's using drugs. Well, no, I think there it was a tip line essentially. Yeah, and they even told us to like because it was more than drugs that they walked or like I said, they did the whole like kidnapping thing. Yeah, they taught us about, know, if what abuse looks like, if they, if you're experiencing this at home, you can put this in the car, you know, it was which 39:09 in this is another area, those things where if you think about it for a second, it's like oh, that's a good idea. She give it if you think about it for another second. Yeah, you realize that what's actually what happens is first. These are children. They don't really know what they're talking about, and so like you end up with tips that maybe aren't very right true or inaccurate right, but also sometimes you do get tips that are accurate and what was more common than anything out of these tipot these confidential boxes was kids reporting their parents for drug abuse. 39:38 and what inevitably happens is these kids report their parents, their parents get arrested. They go into foster care because now they don't have someone to care for them and eventually the kid learns that it was their fault. Like technically there's their parents, the fault, the parent did it, but they learned they're the person who made this happen. Well, but also like I remember one time getting really mad at my mom while she was driving because she took a sip of her diet coke and I said you can't drink and drive, you know, so it's like if I told on the 40:07 I was like my mom drinks and drives yeah yeah because you're a kid and you don't understand right yeah exactly, and so these are things where yeah it sounds like a good idea, but in practice what ended up happening is it caused a lot more trauma than was necessary and a lot of these situations. Well, yeah, a majority of them their parents smoked weed sometimes sure. Let's be honest. So it ended up being a traumatic thing for a lot of a lot of children kind of unnecessarily. 40:36 and it started to get a lot of blow back. A lot of parents started comparing it to the late Weimar Republic uh because of that the encouraging children. I to say the nine hundred four like yeah, that's oh wow, huh? Yeah, so it was a it was a weird program, uh but it it spread like wildfire and by nineteen ninety it was in like seventy five percent of school districts across America yeah and the could ways opt out of it. 41:05 Yeah, it was it. Here's what's really strange about dare and I still don't understand this. Dare was started as a nonprofit organization, okay, but eventually it went public on the stock exchange and I don't understand how that happened or what or why there was public on the stock exchange. Yes, how it wasn't making. I don't understand. um I do know that there are for profit businesses that sell these 41:35 experiences to schools where they come in and they sell like $20,000 a year. They come in and they'll do this thing for your school and it's like the big event and yeah, we'll kill a kid on the front yard. Yeah. And these are legitimate businesses that do this. Dare obviously had crushed the merchandise game and so they had a lot of great merch after every assembly. They set up a merch table and you could buy the t-shirts and stuff, but they didn't actually sell them. I think they just gave them away. 42:03 but you could buy them at like they sold them at my Walmart. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. But they did go public stock. was very straight. So it has a non-profit, but their business model was very interesting because they had their board of directors at the top. Okay. And it was Daryl Gates and then a handful of LAPD police officers and then very influential businessmen billionaires were at the top of this list. A handful of people on the up scene list. 42:33 and they then would, I guess, sell franchises out to local municipalities and they'd be like, Hey, I, you're a cop. the police department would have to license the name. Well, it wasn't even the department. It was police officers, off duty police officers could get a side gig as a dare officer. And so they could then get the dare car and like all the dare merge. 43:03 and they buy all the boxes of the dare stuff and the stuffed animals and then they could go do it in their school and then they could recruit other police officers in their area and in the school district to grow. Okay. And then those police officers could recruit other police officers to do it. And that's why it spreads so fast because it was kind of an MLM and the way they got that model, one of the board members, the founder of Herbalife. 43:33 got it. Okay, like I know how to make he's a hey. I know how to make this work. You get one cop to get another cop to get their cop. I mean within seven cops, you got the whole police force and every cop that exists at all the cops seven seven rounds. It's six degrees of separate, but when you when that cop gets another cop to do it and that cop gets part of their commission is that it did it work the appearance scheme. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The more people you recruited, the more kickbacks you got as the police officer. So you were incentivized to recruit more. was a police officer 44:02 pyramid scheme the whole time. 44:10 Hey, thanks for listening to Things I Learned Last Night. It would do us a huge favor if you could just share this episode with somebody or just share the show. Tell someone you like it. That helps us grow the show. 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We've done the research that doesn't work 45:15 we have another program rolling out that works. guys didn't try and he's like, you don't know what you're talking about. And then in 1990, 1992 Indiana University did a study and from that study they, uh, they basically concluded that the dare program subsequently had significantly higher rates of hallucinatic drug use than those not exposed to the program. 45:38 and then I want you to know that's a quote. It was a longer quote that I expected, so I got stuck because I was like I'm still this quote still going and then stupid and then in nine hundred and ninety four say it again without laughing. What's the quote the dare program subsequently had significantly higher rates of hallucinogenic drug use 46:08 than those not exposed the dare program. So kids who went through dare used more hallucinogenic drugs than kids who did not do dare. That's all I need. What Indiana University? I to make some clips out of this. I can't have Tim looking like 46:23 Why is that guy doing the thing that's fingers late? The people on Facebook reels are going to be real mad and then in nineteen ninety four. Oh sorry, if you're an audio listener and you couldn't hear, he was doing the finger quotes, but then he got stuck and he did it like a hundred times, so then it's still doing it. Look like you got a little clause, finger quotes. They he meant it is go more just a 46:52 He got stuck doing it a lot. 46:56 So then in 1994, the research triangle institute did a study and they found essentially the same thing. They said that they um that the program, the kids who were in the program did more drugs than the kids who were not in the program. It was interesting is the dare. They knew that back in ninety four in ninety four. I was still doing there in like two thousand three though. Yes, and so ninety four the dare program uh spent forty one thousand dollars trying to prevent that 47:25 study from RTI getting out. And so they were basically paying off other news organizations and being like, hey, don't run that story. They spent $41,000 getting them to not run that story. Then in 1995, the California Department of Education did a study and they found the same stat. And they said that what they found that while only 10 % of elementary students responded, while only 10 % now they found that while only 10 % of elementary students responded to drug education negatively or indefinitely, 47:55 the figure grew to 33 % of middle school students and topped 90 % at the high school level. Basically the majority of kids thought that the messaging did not change their opinion of drugs at all. And then in 1998, the National Institute of Justice said the same thing in 99 and researchers took a line amps found the same thing in 2001. The office of the surgeon general found the same thing in 2007. 48:20 The perspectives of psychological science found the same thing in 2009 the Texas A &M and then the US Department of Education did a study found the same thing and then the US Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration found the same thing and DARE every time paid to silence these articles and in the mid in the early 2000s DARE started a program where the the cops would tell the kids about all these people who were DARE bashers 48:47 and I said these people are bashing there and they got the kids to write a letter to the dare bashers and they would say dear dare bashers and basically manipulate the kids to be like you want us to use drugs. That's what I was supposed to write an eighth grade. I didn't write that. Did you write that? I don't remember this part. That is what I was supposed to. It wasn't like dear bashers. It was. I was writing a letter to drugs. I think it was supposed to be dear drugs. 49:18 I think I was supposed to write a Dear John letter to cocaine. 49:24 dear drugs. I know how bad you want me, but you can't have me. I belong to God. This is two thousand eight yeah. 49:40 if I get sucked into drugs that will take too much attention away from my school, my sports and my pursuit of Osama, leave me alone sign. I didn't write it. I remember actually got in trouble. I they had a great they had a dear graduation ceremony that I wasn't. I wasn't allowed to be part of because they didn't. They literally sent me on a little raft and they were like go do drugs. They were like their own. can't 50:07 You didn't graduate there and then you were on the dare non graduate list for the rest of your life and then the cops they watched you more in public because you didn't graduate. That might be true. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was true because what became very clear so they would have the right letters to dare bashers sing like circuiting the part of the brain that is like the us versus them. 50:32 like the triggering that tribal mentality in your brain as young child yeah. That's crazy actually um and so they it's in the way that they campaign against it is crazy. I want to redo to I was actually in an official dare bashers group. Yeah, you know what I think we're dare bashers were there bashing and if you're a punk little fifth grader watching this 51:00 write me a letter, write me a letter, call me a dare and then and I'll I'll take you on further. Come say to my face, you'll twerp. How about that? Okay, so that's truly wild. That's crazy. So I want to I wanted to read these posts to you. There's a couple people within dare that responded all this negative criticism because it was constant. So in two thousand one one of it's crazy. I know this is nineteen ninety nine 51:29 and this was the spokesman for dare New York, a guy by the name of Ronald Brogan. He responded to the criticism and he said if you take German for 17 weeks, you're not going to speak German German dare officials know that the solution to the problem is not less dare, but more of it. And he said that he urges dare to beat longer and have more access to the they should do there every day. Yeah, and then we should also put bars on the doors of the classroom. 51:58 and and maybe we should be standing over them at lunch. Maybe we should just arrest them when they're born. Get ahead of it. That's kind of what I was building and maybe and maybe we should arrest the kids that we think are going to do it. How about that and then in ninety eight so a year before that another dare spokesperson said I don't. This is crazy. He said I don't have any statistics for you, but our strongest numbers are the numbers that don't show up 52:35 all right. Seems like you're coming at me with multiple studies done over several years from reputable institutions. Here's what I got to say. No 52:45 Oh, you've got studies over two decades now. No, what do think about that? What do think about that? That's what it's like. Argument people now, dude, it really I go like well, here's some facts and they just go no and you go. Oh, I didn't know that. I wish I knew that was an option this whole time, so that's crazy. It became pretty evident. 53:11 Sure, I don't have any stats. The strongest stats I've got. I mean, you can't measure in numbers. mean, every time I walk into a classroom and 28 kids run up to me smiling and then give me a big hug, that's what I know. The day your program is effective. Yeah, it became pretty obvious that they knew from the start that this didn't work to educate kids not to do drugs. Yes, and it was pretty clear that if they knew that either they 53:38 rejected all the evidence and continue to reject all the evidence or that wasn't their motivation. Right. And I think it's a little both. I think they rejected the evidence. I think they wanted to believe that what they were doing was having making a difference. And I think there was a lot of them that were just kind of like dumb and they thought, oh, it's because they're doing it wrong. And if the police do it, we do it more sure. And 54:04 actually like our number like we think like we do it and we have like circumstantial evidence that shows that it's working like I think they genuinely believed it was working even though all the studies proved them wrong. think it was I think it's the same kind of brain that just fights against academia and lives with like this like uh circumstantial evidence of like this one situation I saw at work and so it's got to work across the board um and I think that's what a lot it but I think more than that. 54:34 I think for Darryl Gates, especially this program was started and grown because of the shutdown of PDI because he said, I lost my internal spy program and I want to have a connection to the school. need cops in schools. Yeah. And so he built this program. And in fact, there's an offer by the name of Max Felker Cantor who wrote a book called dare to say no. And that's what he goes on and through the whole book where he outlines how this was Darryl's program to have 21 jump street. 55:03 perpetually because the federal government said no, you can't uh and okay, they the evidence of it shows that this was a way that they built cases against that. I'm saying was it so like was it effective in keeping kids off drugs? No. Was it effective on getting kids to rat out their parents and close more cases? Yep. Was it effective in getting more arrests of people doing minor drug dealing in the schools? Yep. Was it effective in getting police officers? 55:32 And that's like shining a specific kind of light on it for sure. We made fun of the police officer that was in our school, right? But at the same time, I do think it is helpful and good that we had a police officer and a connection to our police department at our school that we knew. What is very strange, and I think it's true of lot of organizations like this, when you look at the people at the bottom that are doing all of the work and all the effort, a lot of those people... 56:00 have the right motivations and they're doing things for the right reasons. I think most dare officers in schools were not in schools looking because they were like I want to arrest all these kids. They were trying to make a difference and trying to keep these kids off drugs. I don't think most of them understood that what they were doing was having the inverse effect of what they thought they were doing. I think they were being educated that what they were doing was actually making a right difference, but I also think there's a feeling of like okay. Well, at least we're doing something yeah, and I do think that especially 56:29 And even for, I feel like I got to be careful about how I say this. I think the mindset of these officers going in there is that, some of these kids are going to learn and we're going to help keep them away from drugs. The kids who are not going to learn, we're going to get them sooner. And I think that, I think that's a bad attitude to have, but I think that that is an attitude that they had. they, think those be these, this group of people thought it was a good thing. And so. 56:59 A very strange situation. uh It ended up not until the late 2000s admitting that, we learned that this program doesn't work. Yeah. And they put it on their website and they're like, yeah, we've learned that the way we were doing this doesn't work. And now they have a different peer to peer type program that they run. It's significantly smaller, ah but it still does run these programs in certain schools throughout the country. uh 57:28 Sick merch very popular right now pretty trendy actually it's gone through some iterations in the 90s is also very trendy and I think the reason why in both eras it was very trendy because in the 90s it was trendy because it was ironic people were like it's funny to wear their merch and then now it's again kind of funny to wear their merch. I think a lot of kids also think it's a brand but I feel weird about it. I feel like 57:58 It wasn't this huge like sketchy mastermind organization, but I feel like a lot of the motivations underneath it were wrong and bad. Sure, but I think that can happen to any nonprofit organization that starts or then even becomes a profit organization is that once the amount of money is involved and once it's at that scale, it's one of those things where it has to work. I mean, I think it was, I think it was before, I think it was sketchy before though. I think the foundation of this was not what it was broadcasted and I think that's sketchy. Yeah. 58:27 and and the list of people. There was some interesting people who were board members of this. uh You had a what was her name? Hold on. Let me see uh Diane Disney Miller, Walt's daughter. uh You had obviously all the different cops, Michael Jackson, Arsenio Hall. There's some interesting people that ended up being uh board members in this organization, a lot of millionaires, but a lot of billionaires. That's part of something of like 58:57 Okay, there's a big problem. We've got a lot of people who are like, and also like, you know, it was a little overblown in the media at the time of like how many people were on drugs, you know? And all, so many social problems are getting blamed on drugs at the point where that wasn't the reason, right? ah Why face poverty when you can just blame drugs for people being in poverty? ah That kind of thing. And this is, again, it's... 59:25 doing, it may not be doing the right thing, but it's doing something yeah, and that makes people feel good. So maybe that's maybe that's part of it. I don't know so yeah, it seems like you want to get the last word, so go ahead and finish it up. Yeah, go ahead. No, you can you get the no you've just done. You've done well. Here's the thing I want you to relisten because you've done the landing four times now. I want to hear it again. You go. Yeah, it seems like the people involved kind of sketchy and I go. Yeah, it could be this and you go. Yep, it seems like the founding of it was it was weird from the beginning. I go. Okay, yeah, 59:55 and you go, I don't know. It seems like it's like all right, buddy. 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