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00:00 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the shags, the shags, the shags? Is this like what they called like the carpet, the shag carpet? I mean they did call the carpet that but it's not that take off. It was sweet. Okay, I remember in high school. uh What are my friends? Steven was his name. uh He for his sixteenth birthday, his parents got him one of those cube cars. 00:27 but it was like when they were brand new. Remember when the oh yeah, oh my gosh, these cars are square like the what are they the sions is that we're talking about yeah. It was actually cube was the name like it wasn't the new like what are they called that look like they're squares and then they get broken into a lot. The key is not the key is not the key of soul. I'm talking about the is it is the scion is that the brand it might be. It was called cube for sure. I know for a cube the Nissan cube. Oh yeah, Nissan 00:53 Yeah and they had like the I'm thinking of some that wrapped around the corner on the right. That's right. That's freaking sweet, because I almost bought is the side is sign a brand. Is that what I'm thinking of sign is a brand yeah yeah. I almost bought one of those in high school yeah. They're very spacious inside sign also had a cube car yeah yeah. It looks very similar yeah, but this one's older okay for sure. Anyways, the so they put shag carpet inside they had on the dash a little circle of shag carpet and the purpose for it was your for your phone. You just set your phone on there and because it's shag carpet it want to slide around 01:23 Oh, which was really clever and it looked honestly very cool. Just that little circle of shag carpet on there and I remember so clearly. I remember he came over to my house. I will never forget these are stories where me and Alex make eye contact and we're like what is wrong? I'll never forget this because a little circle of shag carpet. I I was saying I received my life. I remember this moment so clearly because he's born and he was born. He's going there. Do you see his eyes flutter? He's a born like April. I think it was like 01:50 Oh no, was March, was the end of the March. He was born at the end of March and his parents got uh in the car and he came over to my house. But it was a couple of days before that he was going to actually be able to go get his license. he's like, my parents got me a car for my birthday. And so we went over there like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. But he couldn't drive it. So I remember we sat in the car in the driveway for days waiting for him to get his license. And we just listened to music and we just hung out in the car because we couldn't drive it. And I remember 02:18 I remember they went to his grandma's house so his grandma could see the car and everything. uh And then he came back, because that was a few days later, like they went to grandma's house a few days later. uh He came back and he came over to my house and he was like, he was like, you're never going to believe what happened. ah And he was like, he's like, we went to grandma's house and obviously I don't have my license yet. So my dad drove and then we're on our way. And my dad takes a turn that wasn't towards grandma's house. And I was like, 02:46 that's isn't how you get a grandma's house and he's like, he's like, yeah, I just got to run an errand real quick. We're going to the shag carpet store and then we pulled into enterprise and we dropped off the rental because the car was a rental car and that day was April 1st and it was April fools joke all along. They rented a car on his birthday, said it was his birthday, 16th birthday gift and then on April fools, they returned it. 03:12 Isn't that brutal? 03:17 so and they ended up getting a car but it was nowhere near as cool. It was like a normal high schoolers. They ended up giving her a car. They did get him a car but it was like a normal high schooler car like like an old like Honda. 03:29 It was so brutal. We I'm not even exaggerating. Wow! I we easily clocked like probably thirty hours sitting in that in the driveway for like that week until April Fools came around just sitting in that car. That's terrible. It's brutal. What's he doing now? uh He lives in Temecula actually. Oh yeah. So I don't know what he's doing out there. She's man talking to his parents, probably not 04:00 all right. Well, what a great way to start the episode that's so sad. That's not let's talk about someone else. That's one of those ideas that you would have as a parent and be like wouldn't that be really funny if we did that and then you kind of laughed about it and you're like yeah, we way too cruel. We can't do that to this child that we love. You know that we've nurtured and cared for for sixteen years. Now we couldn't possibly see them be devastated when we return that car. Yeah, we can't do that because that would be cruel and then 04:28 some parents go. That's funny. 04:34 and like I don't need a relationship with them in couple of years. Oh, I would ah and then those parents have the audacity to get on the internet and be like oh my kid went no contact for no reason. Like I think it was a bunch of the car sick that might be one of them. I think it's the underlie okay, okay, but for real though the underlying part of your brain that's like that's really funny to do to my kid. 04:59 that level of cruelty is why they would go now contact for sure and you'd be like oh just because we played an April Fool's joke. My kid doesn't talk to me anymore. Anyway, that's yeah right, it's crazy, so that's not what this episode is about though. I mean, but it is a similar level of parenting. Oh oh 05:32 They're not throwing stuff 05:40 Things I learned last night. 05:49 tags yeah kind of uh so we got to start the story by talking about a guy by the name of Austin Wiggin here. He is and his wife, him and his wife happy family. Okay, you say that yeah. There are like a this, but a sixties photo yeah yeah. Here's somebody holding this picture 06:16 I have a who that is. I need to describe this because he shows a picture of a couple in the sixty's probably and then here is and I'm not trying to be mean. I'm saying like this is Jeffrey Dommer in a very dark room lit up holding this printed out version of this picture. That's terrifying. It's not like and like the guy's not smiling along with it. He's like looking over the top of it just like 06:45 Look at these people like look at these victims of mine. 06:51 crazy. I don't know why this picture exists. I'm not gonna lie. That's not relevant. That guy's not relevant at the story at all. No, no, no. I don't know who he is or why he did this. All right, but okay, sure. You just found this and thought it'd be funny to include. Yeah, because it is. It is funny to include. Okay, so Austin, the the husband in this photo, his mom had a hobby growing up and her hobby was palm reading. 07:20 And so she read his poems one day and she told him, okay, yes, I can tell from your palms that you are going to marry a woman with blonde hair. You're going to have two sons after I die and you're going to have daughters and your daughters are going to be famous musicians. And Austin said, okay, mom, I'm going to go play. Uh, and then kind of like forgot about it. But then he married his wife who has blonde hair. Yeah. Hard to see in this photo. 07:49 And then his mom died shortly after he had two sons. Okay. And then years later he had three daughters and so okay, became convinced that his daughters were going to be famous musicians. And so one day, what about his sons? What are they doing? Just dumb. I don't know. Now that I think about it, this might be his son. 08:12 My parents, my parents favored my sisters. Okay, ah so he pulls his daughters out of school and he buys them instruments. He is not a musician. He does not know how to play. Okay, he does not even think to get them lessons. He just gives them instruments and says here you're going to be famous musicians and he is like this is what you should spend your time doing is learning how to play and they're like we don't know how and he's like 08:41 learn. He's like yeah, I don't. I know you don't know how, but that's why I'm telling you this is what you should do is figure it out. So start to learn like it. Just do it. Okay, it's not hard. It's not her hard to learn stuff and so these girls uh there's actually a fourth one that you don't hear about a lot and she's never in any of the photos, which is very strange to me, but there's Dorothy who he has six kids. Yes, four daughters, two sons, two sons. Yes. Okay, um there's Dorothy. She goes by dot 09:11 kind of cool dot Wigan Helen Betty and I know my wife can't listen to this. You don't want her to hear the name dot any time you give a cute little nickname like that. Now she wants to name our kid Dorothy. I know it. I know the second she heard that she's like that's really cute dotty dot dot dot Myers yeah honestly pretty sick because you've got jerry Myers dot com. You could have dot dot com dot dot dot dot 09:41 Can you have a dot dot domain name dot dot. 09:47 You can have anything at the end. I don't know if you got anything at the end. Hold on works. don't think that's how that works. Yes, uh dot dot dot dot dot is a sick domain name. It says is unavailable domains. Yeah, it doesn't okay come up anyway, and it's not even like it's like a hey. We can get it for you. It's just not available. I don't think you can have a dot dot, but that's sick. If you could yeah, I'm going to campaign for that. I don't know where I campaign for that, but I want a dot dot dot 10:16 Okay anyways, so they get together. They start learning and practice for the four of them and over time they get to the point where they can do something that resembles me. Were they born? What time era is this? Could we joke that they like that photo looks like the sixties, but I feel like you should know the time frame of the years that their band was active. They started in nineteen sixty five okay, and they named their band the shacks and so they got to the point where they started being able to do something that resembled music. 10:57 that's such an incredibly hurtful thing to say about somebody's art. Okay, they're doing something that resembles music, I guess. 11:16 okay, they live in this small town in New Hampshire called Fremont um and they his dad or their dad started going around and being like you got to put my daughters on your shows uh and so they would get put on events and it started out like talent shows and like yeah, it would play at like roller rinks and things like that same stuff. I did at beginning of my career. Yeah, you just real wherever people would take you anybody that someone let you do it. I'll do it. So this is a photo from one of the early shows again. 11:44 Where's the for the fourth one is just never pictured, but she's always listed. Also the head stocks on these guitars are so sick like so sick. Yeah, I don't know and what's the age differences between these girls? I don't know. They're pretty close. I was gonna say they're very similar. Yeah, they look like the same person. Honestly, yes, I was wondering if any of them were twins because they look like clones. Okay, it was like he's like only I have any daughters, so he cloned his sons and 12:14 made them daughters. so yeah, so they started doing these events and here's the thing I said that they they started being able to do something that resembled music. They weren't good and so they would do these events and this is the sixties and people. Here's the thing about the sixties is audiences. If you were bad, they let you know and so they would go do they still do just so you know, just so you know as a performer, you know, well, they would go to these shows and people would just throw trash at them. 12:44 they like from their concessions. They're just throw it on stage and so they were driving around New Hampshire and their dad putting them on these events yeah and word started to spread about them and people would show up. Some people would show up because they were like oh, it's a dance. I can go and I could dance at this event because a dance is used to always have live bands. They have we have record player or whatever DJs. That's the word I'm looking for sure they always had live bands. They were the live band. People would show up to dance the back. All these guys suck, but then there was a large amount of people, mostly like high school kids. 13:14 who found out oh this band that's really bad. It's going to be there. We should go and boo them. Oh, we should go to be mean to them because it'll be fun yeah and so they kind of got this reputation. Bullying was cool in the six. They got this reputation of like being a bad band that people would go see to be mean to because they were so bad and at a certain point. Okay, and the girls are like dad. We don't want to keep doing it. Shut up 13:41 and so they get back out there. They started getting booked more and more because they drew such a big, I drew a big crowd, even though the crowd was not like hostile. Yeah, they were a bad crowd, but people were still showing up, so they were getting their buying tickets. Yeah, they're getting. Yeah exactly. Now that's a strategy. 14:02 So their dad is like, hey, they're catching fire, right? And so they had a weekly standing event in Fremont at like one of the concert halls and they had events all around the state. They're like getting, I don't want to say big because they weren't good. Nobody was there because they liked them, but they were getting big for being bad. But I don't think their dad recognized this for being bad. 14:29 And so their dad is like, it's like a lot of the things that we share on tick tock with each other. Yeah, there's so many accounts that exist on tick tock. That's clearly like this person is famous because of how bad they are at this talent. They're trying to show off. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, it's in people and like most people on internet, tock is different on tick tock because it's like nobody has to see you making fun of them. 14:55 that this is true. Making fun of the I don't know man. If you look to the comment section because it's pretty visible. 15:03 I guess that's fair, yeah, I guess that is fair. 15:08 Hey, join us on Patreon if you want this to be ad free and also there's a bunch of other perks. You get to all episodes are ad free. You get next week's episode right now and you get to do monthly hangouts with me and Tim. Like it's like a virtual just hangout room and we play games together. We talk, we have show and tell sometimes. We've made a lot of good friends through this and so it's a really good time to do that. So either way, please share the episode, tell somebody about it. These are all those ways to help us grow the show because we love doing it and we want to keep doing it. So thanks for being here. 15:42 So their dad is like, they're catching fire. This is the moment. This is their moment. This is where they're going to make it. like, they range from like late middle school to mid high school at this point in age, but they're not going to school. And so he's like, he's like, I'm going to drive them down to revere Massachusetts, probably named after Paul. 16:08 they drive down to Paul Revere and they go to a recording studio and review Massachusetts and he pays for them to record an album, a full length album. What did he do for a job? We know he was a mill hand at Exeter, so this is not like he's not like a rich in person. I mean no, no yeah, so he saved up deal yeah. That's what I'm saying. This was a major investment. Yeah, this isn't like he's like a rich guy was just pushing his kids into success. Yeah, this is like he believes his mom's palm reading yeah. 16:37 Way too much. How do you explain that to your wife and children? Hey, your grandma told my told me because she read my hand. Your grandma felt my hand a little bit and said that you were going to be famous. Read the lines. Read. Can't you read? No, Dad, we didn't go to school. 16:57 You don't even know where reading is. Every night. 17:10 I see your name in lights again shags the share. People are chanting shags shags shags shags. What is the thing? Is the thing he he was working and so he never saw these shows. He just knew that they were booking a lot of shows. It's like you guys sold a thousand to the class and I like yeah like dad. He's like nonsense. He like wouldn't listen to them. 17:38 but he's like you're, you're, were they perceiving that it was bad? I think yeah, I think they totally knew and I they weren't passionate about it either. Like they did not want to do this, but their head was like so heavily pushing it toward, but they weren't like they were good at this. No, I don't think yeah, they I don't think they thought that so they put together this record and they recorded a full length album. Do we have any audio with the sounds like yeah? Do want to hear some? I would love to hear what the band sounds like ah so 18:02 Here's here's a can we play this is this owned by we can play a couple seconds. Okay, here's a track. It's a single that they put out before they put out the record called my pal foot foot. Here's the Al my pal foot foot. Yeah, it's named after will dot had a cat that she called foot foot because it only had the two back feet and so is foot foot. So for the audio listener, it's a hand drawn. It looks like a tiger, but attached to a fish face. 18:32 Which honestly, here's the crazy thing. This looks like any Midwest Emo's DIY album art. Oh yeah, it's cool. Like it's it's it very much would fly today. Let's hear it. But yeah, here's the track. Hopefully this plays. 18:54 You know, we fast forward to like an actual main part. We can skip to this. uh 19:13 it sounds like the music you hear in a nightmare. It's like you were spot on with something that sounds like music. It's my pals name is here's the problem do the way my brain works. 19:33 and the dad can't hear them practicing well. The dad's not a musician either, so like he just hears it resembles music and he's like and they're so good. Ting ting so my pals name is foot foot. 19:53 So the audio engineer records this whole album and we do. This is this is the producers yeah where you can make something so bad. You didn't know that reference the producers. I know what the producers is yeah. What is it? It's a musical go ahead where you can make something so that it was successful. You only know it and I only and I know you only know it from curb your enthusiasm. Is that why you know it? I actually my mom liked that. I think I yeah think so 20:23 It's got me thinking there's a way to do this podcast, the shags and first of all, no, because I'm legitimately good at this row, your trash in our comments. Just leave a comment that just is trash. Put your comments in the comment. Leave your thoughts, ding dead prayers to 20:53 Cut the cut. It's fun because her rhythm, the drummer's rhythm specifically, just keeps changing. Every measure is a new rhythm. Okay. I love it so much. So they record this. engineer sits down, records a track, turns to their dad and says, Austin, they are not ready yet. And he says, they are selling out night after night. We have to get this record out now. This is their chance. And so the audio engineer... 21:23 basically gets held at gunpoint doesn't actually get held at gunpoint, but the dad like heavily pressures them and it's like just I'm paying you put this record together and he's like this is bad and so and he's like okay, if you really want to do this, but they're selling out shows like this yeah. I mean they're selling out shows, but like these aren't they're like hundred cap rooms. They're not like, but still they're selling out. They yeah they are. They are people are there to make fun of them or they don't know what they're getting into. It's probably more on the promoter than any and anything. 21:52 but it's working okay. They put together this album called the philosophy of the world again. The four sister is in here and I don't know why okay and and she's in the drum. She plays from the inside like she's not even holding the sticks like she even wants to pretend to know how to play the drums. You know and like 22:22 Are they both playing guitar? No base yeah yeah well, honestly, that might be the third the fourth sister that's just missing. She might be the bassist philosophy of the world sick cover art and so honestly here's the thing. Here's another like promotional photo that they got to which girls. These girls are still looks like a Midwest. These girls are still alive. That's all I can say right now. These girls are still alive. 22:49 they're still like I can't wait to find out what they're doing now. uh This this looks like a Midwest Emo band. Yeah, they're all standing there with their hands straight down to their side like a bunch of homeschoolers like genuinely any any kid, any hipster that liked folk in twenty fifteen. This would have been their favorite band. Wow, send this to Aaron Malone and so like they have shout out to our friend Aaron Mola and her bands are good. I don't know how many bands she's in uh and so 23:18 there's a little, you know, whatever and you're telling me that that's straight up. The one on the left is like an Aaron Malone outfit. It really I think I've seen Aaron wear that outfit before. Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's so sick. It is. Yeah, it looks great. The whole thing is are very sixties outfits. It's very fat. This is fashionable now. Yeah, I actually it's ironic. You said that I saw a tweet 23:43 I always call just anything on threads or a blue sky or anything tweets. I don't use Twitter, but I thought tweet the other day. Someone said Hank Green did a great video on that. How is it we how the word tweet is means something in our culture? Yeah, you can't just buy Twitter and be like change it. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, so I saw tweet and this communication form is a tweet. Yes, yeah, not this. This is a podcast. 24:11 But I'm saying like he was, that's he saying is like this form of communication, short text form. This is a tweet that's not that's in our lexicon that way the same way it's a google. It is just search online. Yeah, why don't you google it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but this guy tweeted he said he said turns out life is just watching it go from skinny jeans to baggy jeans to skinny jeans to baggy jeans. Yeah, that's so accurate and here's the more because you keep gaining weight and losing weight and then gaining weight. No, I think it's he's talking about the style 24:41 Oh, it's like watching it because that was back then it makes sense. I thought it was like yeah. Life is just me gaining ten pounds, losing ten pounds, gaining ten pounds, losing ten pounds and that's what thirties are. You know, you gain some weight, you lose some weight, so their dad continued toting them around. Yeah, they went and they how long are they doing this printed all these records? Well, don't give you the end time yet, but how long into this is like what year the album come out. 25:10 This album is sixty nine, so they're four years and they've been they've been bad. Yeah, and no point for a while in public. They've been bad in public. They've been bad in public. 25:24 And so they put this record together and they actually they go to a like record printer a dryers record company and they put together a thousand copies of the album with liner notes and everything like it was a full record that they put together. Yeah, they got that put together and they uh for some reason were only a hundred copies of this record got delivered. The rest of the nine hundred were just gone. 25:52 Okay, so I don't know what happened with that, but their dad took him around the local record stores to get him to sell in record stores and started. They started bringing them to the events to start selling these okay, and they continued doing shows and their shows continued doing badly. I should say doing badly. Their show still did well. I was just say the show was bad, but they were selling tickets. They were selling more and more. No, they just continued selling like these hundred cap rooms okay until eventually uh Austin 26:22 had a massive heart attack and died ah and this was seventy five and the girls said ten years in yeah and the girls were like we don't want to do this anymore ah and so they just stopped and that was the end of the shags until yeah in until ah somewhere. What was this in the eighties in the mid eighties someone was digging around that record printing company and managed to find nine hundred copies of philosophy of the world. m 26:51 and he listening to it and he was like holy cow. This is rough. He's like everybody has to see this and so he started just giving out copies of this to everybody and he was like you got to check out this record. This is so right. One of the his contacts was a Boston radio station host at WPC and WBCN, which was a big yeah radio. Nothing radio guys love more than being like 27:14 hey guys, it's your Tuesday drive. Check out this terrible song we found from the shags. I know it's morning. I know you're stuck in traffic, but you know what would make that worse? Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba and then you're stuck in traffic. You're like oh my gosh dude. So they started playing on the radio and it started getting to the point where in the eighties they started playing on the radio yeah and this started getting 27:40 passed around to radio stations in the Northeast, because they were like, oh, we to our hands on that. Yeah, we got to our hands on that and start playing that. This is a meme band. Yeah. And so it became this thing where everyone's like, look how this is the worst band in the world. Meanwhile, these girls are listening to the radio and they're like, hey, that's my song. And so my cat's name is Footfoot. He is a deformed cat and he's pretty sad that he has only two foot. 28:11 So in the 80s, the Rolling Stone writes an article about them because they find out about it. And so they put this together, the worst album ever recorded. And they publicized this big article about how bad this record was. And then it became like this cult classic. Everyone wanted to get their hands on one of these copies because there's 900 in the world. Yeah. It was like, need and I need to own a philosophy of the war. And they're not making any money from this, though. No. Yeah. Because the record company owns it. 28:37 Got it. OK. And so the record company is putting out there are there's the 900 that are just like floating out in the world and they're getting royalties from all the radio stations that are playing it. And this is like such a big deal throughout the 80s that by the 90s Kurt Cobain on an interview says that one of his top influences is the Shaxx and whether he was trying to be funny or not. 29:05 I don't know, but it was enough to wear enough of his fans were like we need to find the shags and so this like just started becoming this thing that was just rolling over from the eighties into the nineties of everybody being like oh, we love the shacks somehow. This got back to the shacks and they were like oh, should we do a reunion and so in ninety nine dot was a what I mean what's the what's the harm? What's the risk? It's not like you're like oh, are we still you think we still got it? 29:35 What if we go out there and we're not as good anymore? So dot dot and I just don't remember how to play that song. I never knew. I guess what's crazy guys I got to I got to admit thirty years later. I never knew how to play that. Yeah, I was thinking too. I didn't know either. You were faking the whole time. I didn't know either. I would have said that for dad guys 30:04 Can I be in it this time? You were in it the whole time. No, I wasn't. I was just around. I was just around. He would be on you guys would play. I would go around the corner and get an ice cream cone, but then she'd be on stage halfway through just on the edge of stage, basically side stage, but not quite enough to be off stage still technically on stage just like VIP lanyard on the edge of the spotlight. 30:33 half in half out of the spot. You can hear her in the album yeah, the audio engineer was kind of like he's sitting right next to her and the audio engineer just went 30:52 you guys got to hear out loud. No, you guys don't get it. That's the best part of the record. It's not going to hurt the leaflet says dot lead guitar and vocals, Helen, a rhythm guitar, Betty drums, racial ice cream, 31:16 If you the show, a great way to serve support is by getting some merch. 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Yeah, you too premium leave all this in that hand. 33:15 does the leaflet actually list Rachel though it does yeah and as what I don't know what it lists her as it lists all in it. I don't know if it lists like but it lists four people and there's three on the cover in the pad yeah. Rachel is never seen okay, so in the nineties and I do and Rachel's like can I be in I be no like yeah Rachel so in ninety nine no they go. She goes she goes hey guys and like 33:43 wait. Oh, we have a fourth sister. Sorry Rachel. I didn't realize you were there scared me. What do you want? Can I be? What do you want? Rachel? I guess so guys ban meeting huddle up. Let me in. Let me in her forty at this point. Let me in. I please be in the how old in the sixty. I mean the band with sixty in sixty five. They were middle school to high school 34:12 Okay, so they're in their fifties and nineties right yeah, I think so yeah, uh so ninety nine, maybe, maybe later forties early fifties ninety nine rolls around and there was this like new found like excitement over it and so dot at the time she was working as a cleaner betty was a school janitor janitor. Rachel was aware, Rachel Rachel was a warehouse employee and let me just read 34:42 the Wikipedia line for Helen. Helen was living on disability benefits with severe depression. Wonder why um probably probably her dad um taking them out of school and for sure play music that she didn't like. So they got back to that. They're like, let's get the band back together. People like us now. And so they start playing these like festivals that were put together from like sure they're like independent DIY type festivals, the kind of stuff that 35:12 Nirvana Nirvana fans would go to Nirvana. You know the type of thing that Nirvana fans would like and so they were go and they would play like side stages at these festivals right, but they had like a cult falling. So now for the first time ever people would go see them and people seem like they liked them and they're like what is happening? I'm like we're not getting booed like they can't were no one's like the riot police. ah 35:41 And they're like, guys, they're not throwing stuff at us. 35:48 Guys. 35:58 That's Rachel on the side of the stage. 36:05 What if she doesn't talk? does. I think I or make her super. She did not talk to heads, Paul, Rachel, where's your shoes? The show, give her shoes, shoes, playing these festivals, festivals. 36:32 And it was like a couple uh of festivals they played in 99. Yeah, the shags on war towards this summer. And so then this record label in 2001 put together uh Animal World is what they're called. They released a Better Than The Beatles tribute album with covers of the shags that big name artists covered covers, covered shags songs. 36:57 you know how much talent it would take to learn that drum part for real. That's what I was like how how much talent it would take to go well, someone in this era sat down and like I know it's it's tough. It's tough to not to be that bad for me. It looks pretty easy for you. Someone sat down. Oh, they did it out. Wow crazy 37:26 it's a little tough to tough to follow, um so you could if you wanted to yeah and honestly would be a pretty good bit for you to learn this ah my pal foot foot cover. ah So that record came out and prompted them to get together for another reunion in the early two thousands um and riser records came back together and they re released this record and so they actually printed it for mass release a new release of this record. 37:56 okay, and they put together this cool new album art for it still right. So guys, it's so this is a drawing of the three sisters. I think those two are twins. They've got to be right. Yeah, they look very similar and so Rachel's not in it. I mean is it could be. I mean they they all look very, very similar. Yeah, they're siblings. That's how that works. 38:24 I think Rachel's in this one, but she's cropped out. We did cut Rachel out of this photo, um so they they got to the point where all these artists were starting to list them as um influences and stuff yeah yeah and then in to their there now all the bands, greatest bands of the nineties are like making this joke that the shags is their greatest influence yeah and that's that here's the interesting thing about it. I will say this is weird and I don't know what to take of it. 38:54 we watch the interviews. They say it and it's one of those things was like they could be joking, but they're like not acting like they're joking. So it's like it could be one of those things where it's like you're joking and you don't want to whatever you know, but it could be one those things where they could be serious because all of them, their bands like Nirvana, where their sound was so different from everything else that like that could have. Do you think they're like they're just like their home? I love that these girls clearly didn't kid. I love those girls just put that stuff out there. They didn't care if people liked it and the other girls like actually 39:24 we actually really wanted people to love this. I thought people would like it. Everyone's a put your ice cream cone down and talk for second. She's been eating that ice cream cup for twenty three years. The same one code. It's so moldy Tim. 39:50 Jared and I have this thing gets to a different place. I have this thing where I always take away further than turn like you know, is I even further. It's just you take a hard left and I'm like yes and I have to yes and you take not only a left but like a full will you turn around the block and you go, it's moldy. Yeah, think she's chopping on mold and she just won't finish. I did this thing last night. 40:21 I was we were on our fancy football draft and I had a slice of pizza and I just kept taking the first bite, but I would like I would just like light it up so it my all I did was just eating the same. So it looks like you're eating a new slice of pizza every time yeah, but it's just one. It's just the first bite of it and I did it for two and a half hours just and it really it took probably two hours before Zach noticed and he was like. Are you eating the same slice of pizza? There's a whole time 40:49 and you're like I got yeah, I'm actually starving because I haven't taken a bite of this in two hours. I'm favoring hungry so cold. This bit was very worth it. I'm glad that you noticed. Had you not, I would have had to text you and be like hey guys, I mean this is that you know it's a hard time right now because the work was tough yesterday, man, so 41:14 that's why did you do that? That's what I'm saying. That's a Winston bit where it's like. Oh, I can't. Did they laugh? No, they didn't get it. It's like they didn't get it. They would laugh if they got it. This is super funny dude. 41:37 it's cold man. You've wasted your pizza. It's funny. Cold beats is still pretty good thing. I want pizza so bad right now. So in two thousand four K a producer came forward and was like hey, I want to tell your story yeah, and so he made their story into a musical and it actually landed on broadway for a short run on broadway, but the best part about it 42:03 is Rachel is uh still not in it. Oh, poor girl. Yeah. And so this is them playing at a birthday party in the show. Yeah, they got the hats and everything. Yeah. And so it tells their story and they have mixed feelings about it because it kind of made their story a little hokey uh as opposed to reality. It turned their lives into a loopy joke is the quote uh and then in 2006, dies. 42:32 and then do you have any pictures of them in the nineties playing though? Do you have any pictures of what they looked like as adults playing? I don't have any pictures in the nineties, but I can tell you that in twenty fifteen they got invited by neutral milk hotel, which one of our patrons said, would you say neutral milk hotel neutral milk hotel milk? Yeah, neutral neutral like park new verse. Yes, 43:02 Yes. Yes. Okay. So milk hotel, which one of our patrons says is their favorite band. Oh, it's a band. Yeah, that's a band neutral milk hotel took them on tour to be their opener. And so they toured in 2015 and this is them opening for that, for that band and onto Helen's Helen's dead though. 43:26 so I don't know if notice this. There's only two of them brought two other dudes to play and Rachel still not in the band, but is it and here's what I also love. They have a music stand with their lyrics on there, you know, because they're going to forget the lyrics thousand and the musicians are in the back and it's like hey, you guys are paid musicians. Could you guys learn these songs and if you're a paid musician, here's my thought 43:55 they can't tell if you did or not. Why waste your time? Learn the song, just play whatever you think they're going to know. They're literally just playing smoke on the water. Rachel is still not in this by the way. 44:10 where I don't even think Rachel's real at this point. I don't understand. She never shows up at any of the pictures, any of the pictures. I hate the way you're like Helen's dead. Okay, and how I mean like how old are they in that? Like guys that they're they're this sixties. Yeah, they're all they're older. Yeah, you know, early seventies. What's crazy is at this point in time when they were touring with neutral milk hotel uh 44:37 their original the original nine hundred copies were selling for ten thousand dollars at auction like they're like important things that people are trying to get their hands on ah and so that's truly wild yeah. So they ended up. uh This is this story is so interesting to me because it kind of feels like that guy. What's what am I thinking of who got famous in Australia? Oh six to Rodriguez yeah kind of feels like six to Rodriguez is so Rodriguez was bad like they got famous years later without realizing it and then they did and then they went on tour. 45:06 but they are famous for not being good, which is just so fascinating to me. You can fail your way into and that's maybe that's the lesson. Well, that's the thing. They weren't really successful though like they. mean they kind of where they made a living from that, though. No, I don't think so. I think the record companies made a lot of money and that's why I could only play a couple seconds because the record companies still on the rights to all these songs. Yeah, songs on YouTube and everywhere. Well, we'll play it. We'll play more of one in the after the fiddle where our patreon supporters received it. um 45:34 and so if you're, if you're a patron supporter, you can get that's that's included to you because we don't monetize those videos um yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, they've they've they're it's a band. It's so bad. Yeah, wow yeah, very odd and I'm trying to think of like if there's like a magician could do that be so bad that they were good. Yes, like you 46:04 I don't know like I'm just thinking like there's like there's a way to do that where it like that to me feels like Zach Zucker, who I send you his videos all the time where it encroaches into the territory of clowning where you're intentionally doing something so poorly and so there's no structure to this that it's like it's you know, but he's doing in a way that's like he's brilliant. Well, what's really interesting is if you go online like on YouTube like they have the actual record and so you could hear the songs from the actual record 46:33 but there actually is a lot of bands that covered their songs because I do think you're right. Like I think there's this weird challenge of like yeah learning to play it because it's so not normal. You know what's crazy though. Rachel ice cream girl is the only one to beat the devil in a fiddle. If you like that episode, you might like six to Rodriguez, another guy who got famous long after he was trying to get famous and then he went on tour after the fact. 46:57 and if you want to see next week's episode, you can do that right now over on patreon. We'll see you next week on things. I learned last night. Share this with somebody while you're at it. Yeah, tell a friend. Don't wait thirty years. Don't wait thirty years to tell someone about this podcast.