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00:00 the Smithsonian absolutely covered up aliens and giants in the Grand Canyon. Yeah, there was a guy named G E Kincade. He in 1909 went down in the Grand Canyon, found a man made cave with evidence of the Egyptians, the Tibetans, Giants and probably aliens all down inside that cave. It's every aliens. It's always aliens. Okay, 00:20 this is things I learned last night. Every week we learn about an interesting topic and this week's episode is no different. We're going to learn about some stuff. It's going to be fun this weekend this weekend. I am in Houston, Texas. I would love to see you there next weekend. I don't know sometime October fourth in Barosville, Oklahoma, October eleventh and Tempe, Arizona, close to the Grand Canyon. Oh, not anywhere. Maybe you could go and then all the rest of October is the smoking hot life tour with Shamar, Marima, so 00:50 yeah. I'm going. I got all those on my on my website. You go to jaron Myers, dot com slash shows. Would love to see you there, whatever dude. Let's get to the episode 01:08 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of ge can kade? 01:17 say it slower G, E, can Cade. No, no idea who this is okay, so this is G, E, can Cade was a mouthful goodness G, E, can Cade. Yeah, here's a picture of him. Let's see if you can guess what he was by this picture. That's a military person. Okay, he's a he's a pilot. He's a pilot. 01:46 interesting to pass where hats like that. I don't it's such a grainy picture. Dude, you're showing me the driver's license photo from nineteen forty two. Yeah, it is an old picture. What does this guy do? I don't know. Is a clown 02:01 a sailor that's a good guess in like consideration. I don't know what he did before this. Honestly, I know I know what he did during this episode. Okay, he I think he was like an amateur archaeologist is probably a good thing to call him. Okay, did it as a hobby? You know is kin, Kade, the last name or is it kin, Kade, Kin, Kade is the last name, Kin, Kade, Kin, Kade, first name, G, 02:30 general electric, g g e can kade. He he was like an amateur archaeologist. Thank you and amateur archaeologist and he was very interested in the Grand Canyon and he was like he's like. I wonder what we got in the Grand Canyon. You know, have you ever thought that we ever thought what's down there and he was always pretty. I thought it is always pretty known what it beginning. I what was down there was down there 02:59 wouldn't you like to know? Oh my gosh, so in 1903, there was a president of the United States. Who was it? It was 03:19 James Buchanan close Theodore Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt went to the Grand Canyon in 1903 and he was like. This is a cool place yeah, which he's right. It is a cool place and he said we should make sure we've been yes we have yeah. He said we should make sure it was like he was like this should be a national park and the McDonald's here should be cheaper. He said he said we should make sure no one messes it up yeah, and so he was like let's make 03:48 part of it open to the public and let's ban the public from the rest of it. Let's make it to where it stays not bad and so he's going through the process of putting together this bill and ge can Kate hears about this and he says my archaeology. I got to make it bad before before I'm not allowed to anymore. He says he says I got to do. I got to go be bad in the national park at the national park. 04:15 I'm being bad in the great a national park. I'm trying to be bad at the great Canyon. Yeah, so he we have all national parks merch that you can buy on our store that is being bad at you, Simiti, being bad the great can for you to wear on your fame with trip. Oh, just being bad, 04:44 That's great. Can we do like just like the not good national parks? Oh sure, like the national parks that no one tries to go to. I don't I can't think of those yeah. I mean surely those so yeah, so is so cool. Yes, cool people go to so quite well. It's surely there's a park where it's like oh no, the national park, worst national parks, bottom five national parks. Yeah, here we go. Yeah, there we go. Okay, the worst national parks, so our city 05:12 here's here's good. This is kind of like you know what you did. This is honestly this list is list is kind of like like those remember those posters used to get at Christian bookstores. That was like here's a secular band and here's your Christian band to replace it with. That's this list. Oh really yeah, so what are the bad national parks? So this one is 05:42 in northeast Ohio. The picture for it is just a train. That sounds awesome. The three pros are the train, the bike path and there's, I guess waterfalls, so that's interesting. They don't seem to be listing cons, but they say instead of going here, you should go to the bad lands very different. Yeah, 06:10 apparently the arch the st. Louis arches, the national park and it's not it says gateway arch national park. So I mean that's the worst one. That is, I mean, I mean the gateway going up in it is a cool thing to do once, but looking at it from anywhere in St. Louis is just as good. That's also true. 06:39 it's also not. It's not you know it's not you guys know that st. Louis arch isn't natural right. You guys know God didn't make that. You know there's like a it's not like it's not real. People don't believe it, but it's like a legend like a wives tale in in st. Louis that the arch is like a weather machine and it prevents storms from hitting st. Louis. 07:06 because it happens fairly regularly where a big storms coming through St Louis and it like literally like wraps around downtown. The storm will break up and wrap around. So everyone says it's the arch is the people say that the arch like the shape of it. The wind hits it and gets curved out and doesn't understand how we oh yeah, he hits the we just got to make a giant croquet things and then we'll be good to go. Yeah, everyone's like I don't know. I live in St. Louis, the same people who think windmills cause cancer dude 07:36 Yeah, most of these honestly like yeah, so the I heard the worst one yeah easily. The worst one you can go be bad at the gateway. I haven't heard of any of these. That's pretty normal though be bad at the gateway arch pretty sick. Yeah, a lot of these are pretty normal, so the worst parks ranked gateway arts is actually number one, then Congaree, Cuyahoga, Indiana Dunes, Isle Royal, 08:02 hot springs, mammoth cave, Shenadona springs aren't bad wind cave, man, yeah, so those are those are the worst. According to them, they're best that you should replace these with our Yosemite, Akadia, Zion, Olympic, Rocky Mountain, Lassen, just the best one channel island, Sequoia. Oh yeah, don't like a way arch go to Yosemite. Yeah dude, I live in Missouri, yeah, duh. Oh yeah, sorry, I'll just go to Yosemite. The worst thing about this, so they have like a graphic. 08:32 and so they've got it's. It says the thing it's got a picture of it, the park and then it says the problems with it listed underneath the bullet points everybody packed. No, it's it's the worst. So gateway arch number one worst park. The three bad things are urban scenery, no wildlife, limited activities. Here's the thing. There is wildlife at gateway national park and it is straight cats. Oh wait yeah yeah lots of straight cats. Oh shoot 08:57 I'll tell you what's in Yosemite. What wildlife is out there yeah, none zil yeah. I expected to see way more wildlife yeah yeah. That's fair, that's fair. Where were they? Were the animals yeah away from where the people are. I want to be away from where the people are. That's the song okay realistic. 09:21 so can I have been her fish side singing the whole movie she's got the she's conflicted with her human on her shoulder and her fish side and her fish side. We got to get away from these people blub blub blub blub blub right. I mean that is what the movie is though. She's got flounder who's like a fish and I guess I guess it is she got Sebastian is like you should kiss that boy and crab really the crab is like. I want to watch you all 09:48 You should kiss that cop. Kiss the cop! 09:55 yeah. That's a weird movie. Now that you, if you think about it, if you really, really start to really, you start to make it weird in your head. You make it weird. Okay, anyway, so GK says okay. Hey look, Roosevelt, I'm gonna there's gonna start being rules. Yeah, Roosevelt's trying to take away the great Canyon from me, so I need to get there before he can do it sure, and so he he finds a an act 10:24 an archaeologist like a real archaeologist that goes by the name of mole hat, and because that's his last name. This is mohatt and he doesn't have any real pictures taken of him. Just this dry one that looks like a dollar yeah yeah he's he's he's got a beard that's very big beard, but it's not like it's a go t yeah it's a go t yeah is david crowder in two thousand eight yeah that's actually pretty accurate yeah well out the hair without the hair yeah. I was going to say the same thing 10:49 and he's wearing a we know christian is wearing a suit. You know we should be this is a christian podcast, so they they get a boat Celsius energy thinking about and they say let's go down the colorado river and let's go through the grand canyon and let's be bad. See if we can find some archaeology and so they do just that they're running through their rowing, their their boating 11:19 and then floating. They're on a float trip. They've got little floaties. They're cooler of beers. Yeah, yeah, course like because it's curse. I don't know if curse was around then she occurs. Yeah, that's how you say it. Um curse. Okay, can I have my curves? I'm hers so so they're riding. They're riding in the boat and they get about forty two miles down the river, middle of the canyon and they notice a rock formation that has stains on it about two thousand feet up 11:49 the riverbed. We're out. And so they parked their boats, they hike up the rock face and they get to this opening. there's stairs underneath the brush. 12:16 and there they look old. They're like stone stairs going up the at the Grand Canyon to this opening okay, and so they get to this opening and it's. They describe it as being like big enough for like a handful of people to walk side by side in this opening. It's like a it's a decent size like a atrium. If you will cave atrium entry way and they they walk in a lobby yeah lobby yeah no receptionist 12:45 mother was one, but she's dead. She died long time ago, or he could have could have yeah. We don't know when yeah that was that's on me. Well, we knew it was the nineteen hundreds. Well, we don't know. This is the nineteen hundreds when they found this spot, but they don't true yeah. So so they walk in the cave. They're exploring the cave yeah and based on their account, they end up going down this long main passageway and they're moving down the passageway and then there starts being rooms breaking off the passageway small 13:15 rooms, probably about as big as this room and there's a window and like a little kitchenette and like a table in the middle in a cushion. Now they're walking down the passageway and there's just these little rooms like little, a little carved out rooms carved out of the rock yeah and they figured they're probably about fourteen hundred feet below the surface and the canyons. So they're like right like smack in the middle of the canyon and as they're going through, they start to find like 13:45 artifacts in the rooms in the rims. Yes, there's like bowls and in little figurines and things like that, and what's interesting is these artifacts are like Egyptian, so they look like little Egyptian pharaohs and things like that and as they move in further, they start to find inscriptions on the wall on walls in the hallways and in the rooms of like a gypsy, how many rooms are we talking about? 14:15 you know? I don't know if we know how many rooms there are he's I think you keep saying like they're walking further and further into this hallway yeah yeah well. I mean I can't be that many. I don't know because because once they get a hundred feet in they get into a room that they call the cross hall and so it's like across the hallway in inside of it at the end like the head of the cross 14:45 hallway. There's a big statue of like an idol and they said it actually resembles buddha, but it's not buddha, but they said it resembles buddha and it's interesting that throughout they're saying this. We don't have pictures of this. Yeah, this is before our cell phone cameras or and the cameras you had to are the cameras that you got under you like, you know, the blankets, the camera blankets you put you stick your head under yeah, yeah, and so you put your head on and you take the they didn't have that and so they go through 15:15 And what's interesting about this end of this is the almost like the beginning was like a lot of Egyptian stuff. And now they're saying it's like Tibetan in this back half. And so, but it's not, it's not, I think it's important to say too, they were saying it resembles. So this resembled Tibetan stuff, this resembled Buddha, this resembled Egyptian stuff, but it wasn't like clearly Egyptian stuff. You know what I'm saying? 15:44 And so they go through, they find a crypt and there they find like actual like tombs and there was bodies in there. There was mummies in there. And then let's see, they found no bones of animals, but they have found like skins from animals, no actual clothing, but like skins and stuff like that. And so they theorize from walking around in there that there was a 16:12 multiple, multiple rooms of different varying sizes and through that they think that there was a possibility. They don't know for sure, but they think there was a possibility that this cave system could have housed upwards of fifty thousand people on the high end. This is a fairly large system of caves with rooms and common areas, spaces. I don't know. I don't think they gave us this point of okay, like how many rooms there were, but so fifty thousand people yeah, so it had to be 16:41 pretty huge. I think right. 16:49 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, a great way to help out is by becoming a patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 17:01 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 17:33 And so they go home and they put it. They reach out to a local paper in Arizona that picks it up called the Arizona Gazette and they publish this. This is in 1909. They publish this paper. I want to also highlight in the middle here, his headline Jordan is enthused. Who's Jordan? I don't know, but he's enthused about this and it's this article that outlines their experience that as largely just quotes from these two 18:03 about what they saw in okay here. So this becomes fairly large news in the area right and allegedly pretty quickly after this, the Smithsonian steps in and says no find any of that. Yeah, they're like you didn't see anything you actually what you saw is you were never born so 18:31 The Smithsonian comes in and is like, oh, that's not true. There's no cave and none of that stuff is real. It doesn't exist. And they like hush it. Allegedly, after this, pretty, pretty quickly after this, they do shut down this side of the canyon, you can't go, you can't visit this side of the Grand Canyon anymore. And as the story goes, the Smithsonian did go out there and they did start a dig out there, but no one's allowed there unless you're like actually a Smithsonian person. Yeah. 19:00 and I am not so near by the way to my blood Smithsonian heritage yeah okay good, and so what the story it's in the last name. Is that why why is it Smithsonian? What's the Smithsonian named after? What is the Smithsonian named after James Smithson? Actually great. I'm going to change my last name. Yeah, it was a British scientist who left his estate to the US 19:30 and they were like cool. We're going to call it Smithsonian. Was did he live in Washington DC? I don't think so. I don't know. Let's do an episode about Smithsonian. Yeah, if it's interesting, so we stopped you before though, so the smith we're halfway into this, so the story line is that the Smithsonian picked it up and say oh, we can't let people know that 19:57 maybe the Egyptians or the Tibetans were in the Grand Canyon with a civilization there at some point in history when right they didn't cross the ocean, and so that's the story line here. Sure. What's interesting is a couple things. One, there's a legend from the Hopi tribe. This is actually this. This legend is mirrored in a handful of native tribes, but the hope he has like a pie, the most concrete in relation to the Grand Canyon. 20:24 Okay, and so their legend basically says that like their creation myth is that humanity lived in the earth and they came up out of the earth and that's where we came from. And the story line is they came up out of the grand king and that was where we came from. And so we were like kind of like mole people and then we came to the earth and then we grew normal eyes. I just 20:49 Yeah, I mean I most have weird eyes right yep. They're blind right. Are they blind or moles blind our moles blind? I think moles are blind Alex. I know they're blind folded moles are not blind, but there is a blind mole. You're thinking of bats, but it's not blind okay 21:19 you know that's why they were just putting holes in your yard because they like I can't see dig for enough and they go oh air, maybe interesting. So yeah, so the the the hopi legend is that we rose up out of the Grand Canyon. We were the mole people living inside caves and then we came up out of the Grand Canyon at some point for some reason. They also think that we were lizards and then we were lizard people and then we transformed into human people. Yeah, yeah, 21:49 and that and then we learned how corn worked and so then we can horn yeah, yeah and then we came to earth to make corn. I mean we came to the top side to make core because you can't make corn in caves. I guess so cave corn cave corn so obviously some people have gotten very excited about this because it's like alternative history. You know and that gets people pumped all kinds of pumped up 22:17 and so they fused, if you will, Jordan is enthused. So this this became like a conspiracy theorist thing and there's a group of people that are trying to find this spot. They think that this was a cover up. Yeah, they think that the Smithsonian covered up the fact that Egypt was here first that Egypt, that the Nile River was never actually the Nile River. The Mississippi was the Nile and the Bass Pro pair shop was there before 22:47 stop. Okay, what do they actually believe that this is the Nile they're talking about? I think that why I don't you were just joking. I was joking. I was joking about the pair of I was talking about the pyramid, but I have heard people say that the Mississippi was the Nile and then they moved. That's the most American centric rereading of history 23:08 Oh no, that happened here. Yeah, we shipped was the Nile. I'll tell you what that sounds. You know they're talking about a river. I've seen one and I bet it was that one. I bet it was the only one I've seen yeah and then they moved to the denial and then they named it the Nile because they because just same thing we did when we are. I guess we should say they same thing the British did when they came to US and they were like. This is just New York 23:37 they didn't call it that it was okay, a new Amsterdam yeah and then someone was like Amsterdam's weird. That's too long, too many syllables, many words like now make it shorter. Can I sure say I love it? It's supposed to be anonymous, so narcotics anonymous yeah. Oh, I didn't. I've never you don't know because you're in you're in gambling. I mean 24:08 How do you think couples who met in a? How do you think that they like tell people there? They say we met in a bar. They go we met on Tinder. I actually can't tell you where we met. I'm not allowed to tell you that okay. That's what I'm saying for now. I can't tell you where we met. It's not it's not appropriate. Yeah, you can send an NDA and I can tell you just keep them on me. 24:37 pull it out my pocket, unfold it. It's like a folded up and it's big. It's like thirty pages. It's right unfold that cheese ban 24:48 So there's this group of people who've been looking for it. 24:55 I hate you so good. So this group of people that have been looking for this cave, trying to find King Kade's cave and there's a one specific couple who says that they've located it and what they claim is that they found it with a drone. They flew over it with a drone. They found the opening. They said it matches the location like the general area they were talking about, but what's interesting is they said when they flew the drone over there, it was like hit with an EMP. Yeah, 25:25 yeah and it crashed and they lost. They lost it. Oh yeah, we don't have picture proof of it. You got to trust my eyes and they so then they said that they went to go. How much of the rain can is closed like? Where is the public allowed to go versus where we tried to go that one time and we were driving in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, it's an it's an interesting thing. I think that here's the thing about the grand Canyon being closed. I think technically speaking like you could get anywhere in the Grand Canyon, okay, but like there's areas where it's like there's trails, you know, and like that's where they want you to go. 25:54 but like if you went off the beaten path, like theoretically, you could go anywhere. I don't think there's fence. It can't stop you. Yeah, but they won't save you. I think that's, I think that's the bigger thing is like I cause I cause I while watching this, I saw a lot of people talking about like, like they closed it off because what they claim is that it's dangerous and the guys, the video I watched it 26:16 this, he was saying he's like, well, we they let us do dangerous stuff all the time. They let us eat food with microplastics in it. They let us drive cars. They don't care about if it's dangerous. They're clearly hiding something, but I think what he's missing is it's not the fact that is dangerous for you. They don't care if you get hurt. What they care about is that they have to go help you if you get hurt. And so we can't put our people at risk trying to save your stupid butt because they know a lot of people will do it. We'll try it if yeah, if they can 26:45 Todd. You remember Todd just jumping across the Grand Canyon? Oh yeah, he jumped from rim to rim. That was really stupid. Didn't make it. He will be remembered as an idiot as a dumb dumb. Now we put up a sign for him, put up his picture. Yeah, it's a this guy was dumb, this guy dumb, this guy dumb. So I think that's why areas are closed off. It's not as not like oh 27:15 this is dangerous for you. This is dangerous for us. We don't. We can't go get you if you're over in this area, but so I don't know how much of it is like that, but I do know there's kind of I think I think what it more is is that here's the area we're okay with you going. We don't really want you going. It's not like it's like oh we're blacklisting you from this area, but what these people claim is this husband and wife. They went to go track down their crashed drone and while they were searching for it, there was 27:45 apache helicopter that flew over and was like watching them through the their hike and like flying below the rim, which is interesting that it be an apache attack helicopter. No, I mean I suppose if they got close enough it could like rocket them. I guess if you don't know what an Apache helicopter looks like, you would just assume that every helicopter is probably an attack helicopter. You'd be like that's a military. That's an apache helicopter 28:12 I was like it does make sense that the the rescue team would be like all right. Let's follow him, but yeah, let's keep an eye on him. We'll be ready for when they fall. I told you Derek, you know, join Derek. Yeah, I told you Derek just casually dropped at a we're at my birthday party that you didn't go to that he got helicopter rescued and yeah, I know and he just said and he was like he's a gas at that time. I got flight rescued and we were like hold on 28:41 say that again, tell me more yeah. He was climbing on a thing, jumped down the other side and then it was one of the things like a playground. No yeah, like a public park. No, they were in a national park. He had climbed up this rock on the other side. There was a drop and he dropped down, not realizing that there wasn't a way up on this side. So he dropped down and it's easy to drop down. You can't get back up. Oh yeah, so now he's on this edge of this rock. There's nowhere for him to go and so and he was like he's like so my friends called for help 29:09 and then like fifteen minutes later, they just hear like no way that's for us, but then someone comes down from the helicopter like a basket yeah like the strap yeah and he's just like he's like okay, I'm coming to you and they have to like swing back and forth. Oh my gosh comes over and he goes he grabbed under my butt and scoop me up. Geez, so that's hilarious. That's what I'm saying and how much did that cost them free? No, that's what I'm saying. That's what my question was 29:35 No, that's why I'm no way in the national park dude. That's insane to me because an ambulance is like ten grand. That's what I thought. I thought it would be like okay. They hit you with a bill now yeah. We saved you from the side of this mountain. Good luck. That's bonkers that they just do that for free is free free helicopter ride, but also he got picked up in the helicopter and then they just flew away. So all of his friends on the ground like what the heck no way. Oh, like they got him 30:05 where's he going going? They didn't like with a bullhorn be like me to sad mile marker and say anything they just left and you're like. I guess we'll go find that helicopter. Bye don't go down that side of the mountain. We'll come and get the rest of you. It is freaking, but I would imagine that like you know they if this story is true, which is not, but if it were 30:30 yeah, they were like oh, we're looking for our drone. You know it's like all right. These helicopters like okay, let's follow them because they're going to die. Interesting, interesting, okay, yeah, so that's what these people claim similar, similar event except for it was an Apache helicopter and they wanted to kill them for being too close to their cave. They're cool, shoot missile. I mean, that's a thing in the Grand Canyon. I mean that probably would echo across the whole thing. People will probably hear that yeah. How far? How far did echoes go? 31:01 not further than the initial sound. 31:05 the initial sound would be louder than the echo right. I mean I guess well how far Alex? What do you think you're a sound person? 31:21 That's what I'm saying. That's fair. Because if you go, 31:28 interesting. It said oh, I think I misunderstood what this abbreviation was probably yeah that that makes sense. So no, don't tell us okay. All right, it's so yeah, it does kind of depend on how loud it is, how far it's going to travel, but because the velocity of sound and dry air is three hundred forty one meters a second, then 31:57 it'll reflect off something that's three hundred forty one meters away within a second or within two seconds, because it's got to travel that both times. So like I guess it it does depend how loud it is and how dry the air is to grand cane is pretty dry anyways. So they claim that they were looking for this thing and the Apache helicopter sure scared them out of it right now. Like out of it, that's why I don't have their drone footage. Yes, yeah, so the Apache helicopter scared them away and so 32:25 It's easy to come up with stuff when you're lying. Yeah, so the whole mythology of this is is that there was deep within the Grand Canyon, a civilization that existed. This is for years ago. I think this is a I. This is a I yeah probably okay. I mean yeah, this one isn't. I don't think this is real Grand Canyon. I was like a I to be so the myth is that there was a group of people that lived inside the Grand Canyon and then 32:54 something happened that forced them out of the grand canyon, so they said let's go to half of them said let's go to Egypt. Half of them said let's go to Tibet and then oh that's the theory yeah and then they built their stuff and then that's where they're all their culture kind of morphed slightly into what we know across the sea yeah of what we know of is Egypt and and Tibet and some of them though did go become hopi and hope the native tribe. 33:22 because that's where the myth came from, after they turned from lizard people to humans. 33:30 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 33:58 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 34:30 this is and I think that's that's like a smaller version of this. A bigger version of this is that this was the Egypt was a massive globe spanning civilization and this was one of their cities was in the Grand Canyon and or there was a calamity and then they built like this was like a bunker that they built to survive the calamity deep within the Grand Canyon sure and the Smithsonian obviously doesn't want us to do that because it doesn't work with their storyline. The problem is 34:59 we don't have any record of any of this. None of like I mean, I guess we have the eyewitness account and then but we don't have any pictures. The Smithsonian's flat out said no, that's not real. No one else has ever made it there and then a pretty important thing about the Arizona Gazette is it's a tabloid. None of the stories that ran in the Arizona Gazette were true stories. They were all just lies. Oh, and so there's all these people who believe this 35:28 as if this was like reality and this was like a history that's being covered up, but it's just not. It comes from a source that's not true. Sure, we're not even sure G E Kincaid was ever a real person. We know this Mulholland guy is, but the Smithsonian's come out to just be like no, this isn't true and what's interesting about this and I think this is this is an important thing to talk about. I think two things here that one one thing 35:56 And I said this recently on like a TikTok and I got some hate from it and from people in real life who... 36:07 okay. I was like I saw your tick talk like what I didn't like it and then like it. No, I just come up and they go they come and they go not interested. I don't like what you said in that video. Don't say that. Don't say that thing out loud again. You can say that was your video. Why I was talking about source criticism. I think oh sure sure sure sure sure sure sure especially nowadays. There's too many people 36:37 who will hear stuff and believe it or read stuff and believe it, because here's the thing here's. I was actually so I haven't thought of this. I saw a thing. It was a good graphic that it was talking about like a lot of the debates in our culture or like medical society or like you know debates that have made it out of the education stream into like the mainstream and like we're debating about things that we have no right to debate about. You know vaccine safety, those kind of things 37:05 is that the way the media's role has played in this is it would be like ninety nine scientists say this yes, but one scientist says the opposite and then when you have someone who says the opposite and then someone who says what the ninety nine say on air together, it makes it seem yes like the like the opinion is 50 yeah, but it's not it's ninety nine to one yes, yes and that's 37:30 The problem is that it's so much of our media stuff is in trying to be fair and balanced has created a gross imbalance. Yes, yes, it comes to important information, historical facts, medical information, those kind of things. Yeah, that is that's interesting. I've never heard that before. That's a really interesting perspective, yeah, because it does. It does. Like if you hear when you hear somebody say something, you go, that's just not true and you go well, some people think it is and you go some people are dumb. 37:59 Yeah, yeah, but you know, like you said, if you have two people arguing the point and I mean, I'm sure in that situation they're both like I'm married and then someone goes. I don't think you're married and you're like what do you talk? Yeah, I'm married and they go well. I mean it is a contested topic. It's people say though I have a wife. She's at home like some people 38:22 don't believe that yeah, you just have to respect that yeah. You have to be okay with the fact that some people don't go. That's true. What are you reading about? Well, I think I think that scenario, what it does, because if you bring a scientist in and they're the one scientist that exists that disagrees like they're probably well spoken and they can argue their point well, and so it makes it seem like that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's that's not just someone being like. I don't know yeah. It's someone been like it's the Terence Howard thing on a hundred program where he's like. I don't know man talking to it. 38:50 he's talking to a person who's dedicated his life to math yeah yeah and is like actually you and I are on equal playing fields and you're not you're not not not not even close yeah, but so that's an interesting point. What I think one of the tick I made was about was we see stuff like this article and if you read this article by itself and you look at it and you realize it's from a newspaper in 1909, that's right. You know about it, you read it and you 39:18 you're tempted to trust it. I think this happens a lot with Russian propaganda, a role that but what I was going to say is the CIA's website. They have the their foyo page where you can search stuff on foya and they have all these documents on there just because something's in there doesn't mean it's true like it and the CIA is not even claiming the stuff in there is true. They're just documents a 39:48 the vast majority of what's in that actually is from Ben Laden's computer and we just took all the files from his computer and so a lot of them are crazy things that been lot and believed right and we didn't go like they didn't go annotate and be like by the way, this is kind of crazy. They just put it in there and then it got foyad and now people are finding that stuff and thinking that it because it's on the CIA's FOIA reports that the CIA is like this stuff's real right and I think 40:16 people need to do, especially these people on the internet need to do a better job of just check the source a little bit. Well, be you seen. I said rush Russian propaganda. Have you seen what's actually happening where they will create websites? That's like with the Los Angeles Times, but they'll create like the Los Angeles Tribune. Yes, and they'll make a full website that looks like a real very safer. Yeah. When you start clicking links and going into back pages, it just it's like lorem ipsum. It's just it's just nothing actually makes sense, but they'll 40:45 post a story that's just slightly different from the truth or like war or whatever, but yeah, we'll share this stuff because they didn't go to the rest of the website to actually look at the source. Yes, but they go yeah. It's the L. A. Tribune. Yeah, we don't have that. We don't have a l a tribune. Yeah, yeah, bro, but it but you yeah. People are easily fooled by that stuff right, because it looks believable and it's the same thing with the article. This article looks believable. It makes you think oh yeah that 41:12 this actually happen. This is true. We've been doing this podcast for years. We haven't ever recorded in the same room. None of this is real yeah, and that's what I'm saying is that people need to for sure right yeah the well and yeah, no go ahead. Yeah 41:31 that's problem number one. I think we need to do a better job of criticizing the source and being like oh yeah, because we do this. The whole point of this is we read Wikipedia and we don't know what we're talking about and and and yeah podcasts. If you're not podcast probably should be like I don't. I should double check. I don't think this is the stand you should take. I don't think you should take that spot to be honest, because part of you know part of the way that we get away with 41:53 some information being incorrect as we go. It's a podcast, it's a podcast right, but then you can't be like podcasters should step up to the responsibility they have the that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. I what I'm saying is if you hear a podcaster say it, you shouldn't just believe it. Oh, that's what I'm saying. That's true and that that's a whole point of our show is like every podcaster does that and we are doing that too. It's a joke anyways. The other thing is this. The idea here is hyper diffusion. Have you heard of this? 42:23 Yeah. where cultures fuse together and they diffuse into a handful of other cultures. and see these points where cultures were, and then into a handful of cultures 42:50 were interspersed with each other. They were trading or they were in the same area. You could see their culture overlap and they start to like buy things from each other or adopt things from each other's cultures. That's a normal thing that actually happened. But then there's this like thing in pseudoscience right now of hyperdiffusion where we all came from one giant culture that was like this globe spanning society. You hear it be like the Atlanteans or whatever, like before the before the flood. 43:18 or before the ice age or whatever. We were this big globe span with a culture hyper advanced society and then there was some sort of event that broke this apart and it's problematic for a lot of reasons, but a couple of the big things I didn't realize this until recently while I was researching for this. We know that that's not true, not just because of our logic, a lot of evidence because of DNA, because we can follow the DNA line for all of us. 43:48 and you can trace it back and it doesn't go back to a single source. If if there was one, that's if you believe in DNA, you know, so actually 43:57 that's pretty contested. There are there are scientists who believe that that's yeah there's there's some side to that's not true. You see how dumb it gets so fast. Oh my gosh, our brains are applesauce dude, but yeah like if you look at the United States like you can see oh our DNA since all the US back to Adam and Eve, there's like a melting pot situation where you did it overlaps a lot of is born of Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ. Some scientists believe in ham taught me 44:26 But yeah, if you look at the US, you look at people who are born in the US and you follow their DNA, you can see that it does actually span the globe because there's such a melting pot in the US. But if you go back further in history, that doesn't happen. It's localized. People's DNA was not mixing. And so we know for a fact that there wasn't a globe spanning thing because the DNA would be mixed if you go back to the DNA record. And then we also have no archaeological evidence that that ever happened. And so those two things together we know is not true. 44:56 more problematic about it is this idea is literally literally came from Nazi Germany. They believed there was a super race and they're like we got to get back to the super race and then they did very bad things because of that and this like what holocaust literal holocaust and that was that was what I was saying to him. There's some people who are like it's contest. Oh my that's I see you're still there are people who 45:26 Yeah, who try to act like that's not, yeah. That's crazy. And what's concerning is over the last few years, I feel like the pseudoscience community has been gaining ground, if you will, and this hyperdiffusion thing is becoming something that a lot of people are interested in. And it is an interesting idea. It's interesting to think, oh, maybe there was Atlantis and it got crushed and, you know, like that is an interesting story. 45:53 we don't have evidence for that. We don't have evidence for that and it leads to problematic ideas. We know that that happened in Nazi Germany. We actually know what happened in a couple other cultures and it led to people doing awful things to people and you can see in these pseudo science communities, similar ideas starting to pop up with them thinking that they are descendants of this yes, quote unquote master race and it's dangerous right and so all of that to say 46:24 hyper diffusion is a dangerous idea. We have evidence that that didn't happen and we have evidence that this specific Grand Canyon thing. It was just a lie. It was an end a tabloid to sell papers and people were enthused. Jordan was enthused and yeah and then there's people in the pseudoscience and conspiracy can community that didn't do the same work to just check this source and see if it was legit before starting to peddle it yeah and it's dangerous. That's my soap box and that's that's 46:54 G, he can Kade whether he was real or not, whether D can Kade was real or not. I don't know, but what I do know is that the story that he found something in the Grand Canyon is most likely false. I saw that image with the stuff. This is a believable picture. If you look at it, tell the difference between that and reality. It does seem believable. That's the thing that's kind of frustrating to me, though, like 47:19 have you been to what's that called? Oh, that's going to bother a canyon. No, it's been together. No, it's it's in Cortez outside of Cortez, Colorado near the four corners. It's it's the their cave dwellings Mesa Verde, Mesa Verde. It's really cool. The it's a thing that looks similar to that, but it's like up the canyon yeah and they built a well yeah. It's really cool. 47:48 and it's like why can't we just be happy with how cool that is? Why do we have to come up with some fake story? Well, because they go like well, we have evidence of this, this so this is possible. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think that what's sad is what's sad is there's storylines that are real that are really cool that are worth being excited about, but there's like I don't know there's this want to be like. I know something that they're hiding from us and that okay, so I was going to say that's the draw is that 48:17 often conspiracy theorists are isolated lonely people from their families and having special info or you know, have like seeing behind the curtain, getting like you know, they don't have the wool pulled over their eyes, whatever it is, they believe that makes them that gives them something to feel special about is a is a real source of why some people fall into conspiracy theories. Same thing of like you know, 48:44 certain political groups or something that in that promises a involvement in something bigger than yourself. Yeah, as many of these people are not involved in their family, which would typically be the thing that is bigger than yourself. Yeah, and so because it's your weird uncle who's who's distant from your family is not part of the thing that's bigger than himself, so he has to look for other things, which then often leads to being a part of weird fringe conspiracies or that's also where weird 49:13 little side groups come from yeah. You know people who are furries or what do they call adult people who love little pony bronies bronies? You know just like you know yeah people who get and they on it pickle ball. You know people who get really to find far into yeah hobbies or their those things yeah. You know just some of them are way more dangerous than others. Yes, that's true. Do you think that there's a level of like 49:40 being in like weird fringe podcast that's like. Oh, I just watch these two friends who I don't even think are real friends and they might not even be in the same room and apparently it's not real and actually one of them hates the other one, but they'll never actually say that out loud because then it ruins the last ten years of investment they've made into this relationship and that's like well. I mean one of what we also are going to talk to 50:03 but anyway, is that bit over? Is that all there is? I support my patreon. I give him. I give him money each month and I'm in this discord and that's why you know who needs real life friends. I've got this yeah. You forget weirdos yeah yeah, so you want to join our discord, go off still in that comm slash paid to support that till it not com, I don't that com slash support. I don't know something like that. 50:32 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you like it, you should check out Project Looking Glass. 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