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00:00 Hey man, what's up? Happy to be here. Good. Have you ever heard of Raphael Pacheco Perez? Yes, really. I don't know. Why do you Pacheco Pacheco a fighter? Is that what I know that from? Oh, you're gonna you're gonna actually you're probably gonna want us to take this out. Actually, the fact that you don't know Isaiah Pacheco, that's why I'm thinking that from that's where you know 00:29 Rafael Pacheco Perez? 00:35 interesting. So anyway, so he as a professional pilot. Okay, first of all, you're not a professional pilot. You're an amateur pilot. That is too sad to fly, too sad to fly. My wings got clipped by my uh 00:56 Things I learned last night. oh 01:05 What am I thinking of then I this okay? Keep going okay? Sorry, yeah, why would I want to take that out? I'm not ashamed that you don't know the chiefs running back. Oh, that's why I'm thinking of that. Yes, is that, but that's not who we're talking about. No, yeah, so I has the same last name right, but you were just like why I know Pacheco right, but I was thinking wasn't there a UFC or not a UFC a boxing match between a Pacheco. That's what I was going for. 01:34 Let's see Pacheco Boxer. Let's find out. I thought you were like oh you're embarrassing. You don't know boxers and I was like what are you talking about? Diego Pacheco yeah, that's what I okay. I just I really was pretty confident that you were thinking of Isaiah Pacheco and you didn't remember him. Nope, let's think of the boxer. I don't think you were. You don't think I was thinking of the boxer when I said is this guy a fighter and you were like actually Pacheco was a fighter 02:04 we fought hard for every down like don't try to shame me dude. Anyway, this episode is about Diego Pacheco. uh Okay, who is this episode about for real though? Rafael Pacheco Perez, Rafael Pacheco Perez. Go for it. Yeah, so he okay. Hold on. First of all, I started doing this thing 02:30 I started like, I've got this new icebreaker that I've been trying out. 02:37 that's here. I just like ask people this in line sure like just like when there's a law in conversation places and ice breaker. I've got this new ice breaker. This can't go anywhere good. 02:52 Go ahead. I've been saying so 03:08 I kill a killer, pretty fine, so was the last time you've been in a fight. People love this question, especially strangers. I just say people. If someone turned to me, I'm in line of the grocery store. Someone turns to me and goes so when's last time you've been in a fight, I would go. Is it about to be right now right now? Are you about to fight me? 03:38 What are you talking about? Why are you small talking people, but the fights? Well, I first did this. That's pretty funny. I did to my dad the other day. We working on my wife's car and we were just like he was working on your wife's car. You were standing there flashlight in their wrench and stuff. I was like so dad was 04:03 It's been a while. Is that what I last? Yeah, when's the last time you've been in a fight? I don't know. High school maybe I think my last fight was probably fresh in your high school. What was it about? Mine was a backyard soccer game that got a little too serious. What was your is a backyard soccer game? I got a little too serious. That's crazy. Was it the were we each other's last? 04:33 we will be come by the time this comes out by the time it was or comes out. Me and Tim will have been each other's last fight. Okay, what a crazy thing to say. I'm one of my ice breakers. I've been asking people in the grocery store 04:52 I've been grabbing milk, freezer. eh It doesn't suction, but it does get little gravity to it. oh I go, so. m 05:02 Did your school do a kill Jennifer day? 05:08 I don't know what's worse. Do school do is a front school day Jennifer's dead out front day. I need I've got to be somewhere else right now. Actually, thanks for asking. I got to get the heck out of here. What? Okay, so you can tell that Tim has nothing to talk about when he's doing bits up front. You can tell that he knows this story to me four minutes long. Tell it 05:34 Rafael Pacheco Perez. uh He was. Let me see if I got a birth date for him. Doesn't matter. He he was a student pilot in the seventies, uh so he was probably like born like nineteen fifty eight, something like that is my guess. uh Sure, we're reporting on it. That's the truth uh made up speculated facts. Okay, 06:02 uh student pilot going through uh the pilots Academy and pilots account, the end of the program on June twenty first, nineteen seventy six was his first solo okay, uh and so uh he was flying. I want to acknowledge something real quick. Yeah, I was laughing before this episode and I couldn't tell you why, but I was reading an article about this and the article 06:31 said he was flying an XBZOX. And I was like, I've never heard of that plane. I look idiot. And it's the tail number. It's the tail number of the plane. I was like, what is this? What's a Cessna XBZOX? It didn't even say Cessna. It just said they were flying an XBZOX plane. they were wrong. They were dumb. They be dumb also. Right. 07:00 so yeah, was a sest in one fifty yeah and he lives in Mexico City and so he was getting ready for a solo flight. The solo the flight path. Here's what it would have been. If he was walking it, it was a five hour walk, but about an hour flight taking off from Mexico City International Air, really super zoomed out. Then there's no way that's five. What well you're also walking through Mexico City and so there is it twenty three kilometers going to take a full hour. Sure, 07:30 a full hour. I don't know, but what I can say for sure, what I can say for sure is taking off from the airport, then there's this little lake there and there's this just kind of open space in Mexico City. Yeah. And I don't know if this is something that happens in the States, but for his solo flight today, the flight plan was take off from Mexico City airport, fly around the lake, do a little test landing in the field by the lake, that open field that where I've got the dot marked. Okay. 07:56 and then take back off, fly back to Mexico City. So maybe the whole flight was an hour. Is there an air strip in this field or is he doing a soft landing? So it's a soft landing. Yeah. Okay, and so and that this is his first solo. So this is like an exciting day for him. The weather wasn't great for a first solo is a little little overcast, but it wasn't like bad by any means. It just wasn't perfect weather, like not what you hope to fly in. Yeah, and so he takes off for this trip 08:25 uh gets up to about nine hundred feet uh and then all of a sudden he disappears from the radar and the uh tower is obviously trying to contact him, try to figure out where he went. He is meanwhile he's in the cockpit of the plane having a difficult time. A lot of his uh instruments stop working effectively. The only thing that's working right is the altimeter, but everything else 08:54 giving him strange readings. It's very what's the word visibility is very low because he's now up in like overcast like the clouds are really low. So visibility is really bad. Okay, next thing he knows he comes out of this cloud and he looks down and he sees water. So he thinks I must be over the lake, but then he continues looking around and he realizes there's more water than there is the lake. So his first reaction is the lake, like grew the lake up bigger. 09:23 sure, but no, he realizes I must be over the ocean uh and this is very strange because obviously the ocean isn't anywhere near a further away yeah and uh and he looks at his altimeter and he's at seven thousand feet and okay, so he's very confused. He starts trying to uh figure out all of his other instruments and quickly he turns to an emergency line and starts trying to contact 09:49 whatever tower he's closest to. doesn't, he doesn't have any idea where he's at or how he got here. Um, and so he ends up, um, coming up over, uh, over the, over tower to this emergency line. And he, he says, help, I'm Rafael Pacheco Perez student 82 from the aviation school of Mexico city. Uh, whoever's out there, please reply. Right. So this comes over a couple of times and tower responds to him. Um, and tower says, uh, 10:18 Hey, we've got you. um there anybody else in the aircraft with you? And he says no. And so then they direct him to take an emergency landing. OK, um he takes this emergency landing and where he ended up was in Acapulco. OK, at the International Airport there. And so he was over the ocean outside Acapulco. Now, I need to note something real quick. We have this map on screen. This map is Google Maps. 10:48 telling you the flight time from Mexico City to Acapulco. Right, right, As a jet. Yeah, that's jet airliner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so this is... would be a couple hours. Yeah, this is a few hour flight, not a one hour flight. It's also over a mountain range, a very high mountain range. Okay. And so him being a student pilot that was just about to take his first solo... 11:11 he was not equipped to fly at the altitude. He was going to have to fly out to get over those maps. You know shouldn't be in the clouds. Yeah, because especially this is first solo. He wouldn't have been in the clouds anyway. Yeah, so there's a lot of things that are going. This isn't an instrument's flight. Yes, exactly uh and so not to mention the other thing that's a little strange about this. He's flying this one fifty and this trip was a short hour long flight with that quick essentially touch and go in a field. 11:40 and so there wasn't fuel to get him to where he ended up. And so what was strange is when he landed, they checked his fuel gauge and he was basically bone dry and so it was kind of strange that he even got where he ended up. Yeah, so he lands and they were like we needed to arrest that guy, so they did. They arrested him okay, because I think I think the reason being is like you can't just fly around for no reason. Yeah, you can't just steal a plane 12:12 he's like, I'm a student pilot. They're like, no, you're not. And he's like, I'm from this school. They're like, that school doesn't exist. And he's like, what I thought you're to be like, he landed and it was 1998 for twenty years. He was in this cloud. 12:26 So he lands, they interview him, uh and they realize like, like his story checks out, everything he's telling checks out. So he ends up getting to walk away. This becomes like a widely publicized news story. This is okay. uh And obviously like this is a paper from Mexico City telling his story. uh It very quickly gets buried. The Mexican government steps in and buries his story. Okay. 12:54 And what ends up happening is decades later, um audio logs from the tower get released. OK, what happened because and this is I'll tell you why that the story ended up getting buried uh when he ah he was over Mexico City and he flew through this cloud. m And then from his experience, he essentially just appeared in 13:24 a cup of co from his experience. Okay, but what happened from tower in a cup of co is this unknown flight that they did not have on schedule just flew into their airspace right and when it flew into their space, they pinged this flight to identify themselves. uh At first the flight did not identify themselves. They didn't say anything right knowledge, but then pretty quickly um the pilot of the flight asked to move to a separate frequency. 13:53 to have a conversation on a different frequency with Tower. at the beginning, Tower was a little resistant, but I like, just tell us what you're doing. It just tells who you are and why you're somewhere you're not supposed to be. And so eventually they did switch to a different frequency. Okay. From this frequency, what they heard from Rafael was here's a quote. He is speaking because he is ordered to do so. This is this is his voice. 14:23 He speaking out of his own free will, but we are using him as if he were. Yes, we're using him as if he were a microphone. Who's the we, Tim? Who's the we? They then said, who's they? They said, don't matter. They said we don't matter. um 14:47 Did you go with me into an alien episode by making me think this is about pilots and planes? 14:58 It might be an alien episode. 15:09 Hey, join us on Patreon if you want this to be ad free and also there's tons of other perks you get to all episodes are ad free. You get next week's episode right now and you get to do monthly hangouts with me and Tim like we really look. It's like a virtual just hang out room and we play games together. We talk. We have show and tell sometimes we've made a lot of good friends through this and so it's a really good time to do that. So either way, please share the episode. Tell somebody about it. These are all those ways to help us grow the show because we love doing it. We want to keep doing it. So thanks for being here. 15:47 we are speaking through him. Well, I okay. What else did they say? They said we don't matter much. What are you looking for compliments? You're an alien fishing for compliments being like we're speaking through him. We don't matter much and towers like no, you do matter. I was like no, no, you are important. Everybody, everybody, everyone likes you. No, we don't matter. 16:14 sure we sell so many shirts with your face on it down here. Here's what I think actually happened. We'll get to the theory at the end, I guess, but here's what I think actually happened. I think he flew too high and then there was probably carbon oxide or something in the cabin and he's now hallucinating or having some kind of medical emergency. That's actually a really interesting theory that I have not seen anyone say because it because that's what I thought first was that if he went to it into a cloud because like here's the thing about planes. 16:44 planes will you know the fly yeah like they're engineered to float yeah you know like it's not unless you push down that yolk and guide it down like it's it's going to keep flying. So you're saying he in the confusion when the overcast guys were too low. He went up because he wasn't instrument trained right too high got carbon monoxide poisoning passed out well and the altitude signal I did 17:11 the altitude sickness and the carbon oxide poison aren't the same exact thing like. if there's a leak from your engine into your cabin, yeah, like it's basically like you're putting your face up against the exhaust pipe of your car. Yeah, yeah, and so you're getting into it. There's a little indicator in there. That's like a little piece of cork or whatever that can turn colors to be like hey, your car won't open a window. Yeah, you know, that's one thing I would think, or maybe he just got too high and and and didn't know, but either way he shouldn't have flown into a cloud. So that's where I'm saying like the problem 17:41 existed before he flew into a cloud. Yeah, because if he if he's a student pilot on his first solo, then that's he there's no way he's instrument trained. Yeah, you know. Yeah. So it's like he's not. Do you think it's possible for him in a 150 if that's what happened? I'm curious about this. This is an interesting theory for him to glide if he got high enough altitude to glide. like you've got power on the plane. Yeah, you know, I think that if he let's say he passed out, let's just say he passed out. 18:11 okay right. He's going up passes out powers full throttle. Yeah, power is going to keep you going up yeah and at a certain level that engine like with the the Cessna, especially like they just can't reach past a certain height. Yeah, you know and so he's kind of capped out up here where the engines full throttle and you're just flying yeah yeah, you know and as long as you know, as long as you don't know he didn't accidentally 18:36 to the you know it did leveled out. I'm sure yeah, especially if he even if he had cruised and trimmed or whatever it was like he yeah, it's still going to fly forward interesting and so then he wakes up and he's and he doesn't know where he's at and the plane has just been going yeah. That's that's the most lots of interesting theory. The luck that it would take I guess a seven of the mountains. You know, but I'm saying like if that full throttle was up, then he would have just kept going up, but also the luck of like if you're flying and you're 19:04 passed out, then there's no other air traffic that you run into true. You know yeah, I mean this is seventy six right in Mexico, so like I don't know how much traffic they had in that area. That's what I'm wondering. It's like that would that would make the most sense to me that he wakes up and he's over the water and he's like wait a minute. How did I get to him? He's like why close my eyes and open my eyes and there I was yeah, you know, because you don't know how long you were passed out. Yeah, but how do you explain what tower experienced ah 19:35 This guy talks in his sleep. 19:39 that's what I'm saying. He may have been delusional yeah, if it's carbon oxide poisoning, maybe yeah yeah interesting. That's a theory. That's an interesting theory. I haven't heard anyone say that, but I was I wasn't saying he passed out. saying if he passed out the plane will fly the plane will just go yeah yeah yeah. I'm saying it's possible then that the plane's flying yeah and he's able to just talk yeah, but they're talking through me. I'm Raphael Pacheco 20:07 I'm not at the fire. I'm also not the NFL running back. I'm the student pilot from Mexico City, Mexico. I am fire and ice simultaneously within me heat and cold. They co-exist within my soul. What are you saying? It's not what I'm saying. It's what he said. They're saying they're saying this through, you know, saying like he could have been 20:35 that carbon oxide poisoning to me sounds like this is what this is interesting. So anyway, so he as a professional pilot. Okay, first of all, you're not a professional pilot. You're an amateur pilot. That is too sad to fly too sad to fly. My wings got clipped by my they said. They said we theory though. That's my working theory right now. Let me hear what the aliens said and I can I could tell you they said we don't matter much. 21:04 nor where we came from nor where we're going. Just know that we are beings from this universe to which you belong. Our planet is many light years away, but I'll repeat that before it becomes confusing. We're physically the same as you. I repeat that in all races in the universe are physically the same. So we really wanted to know that like we're not any different. You and is a transcript. We have we have audio files of yeah. We have the audio files. This is in Spanish. I was going to play it to you, but it's on Spanish. We don't know uh 21:34 I mean, I'm a professional translator. You've been doing duolingo. I'm on a try. Sure, right. I even do a duolingo. Let's hear what they say. Yeah. Okay, let's try. Hold on. We are going to play it. Alex, you good for the audio. All right, here's here's it's going to end up. It's going to sound rough, but here let me see. Ready? Yeah, 21:54 What do they say? He said no one likes us. We're so lonely. We're so we're such losers. He said, what if I told you I have a crush on someone I know him? That's what he said. 22:25 Ha ha ha ha! 22:29 honestly, honestly English or Spanish. I couldn't understand a word that audio was saying the audios. That's crazy. So is he yelling then so it sounds well yeah he's talking through a weird voice. He's honestly what it's described as is it's honestly what's that guy that you always talk about where the are but char yeah he's doing the bashar voice. Can you do the bashar voice? 22:54 Hello, I am Bush. We are much like you physically. We're all kind of hot. You know, what if the aliens were like, we're physically just like you, we have healthy PMIs like you, but by you, mean just the hot ones. 23:20 not the agos were not like your agos and we are not like your ugly people. We're like your hot people think of the hot that's us. So okay, so yeah. Okay. And how long is the communication go on? There's a forty two minute transcript of him and this tower guy that sounds like a carbon oxide poisoning to me. Then I mean maybe I do yeah, maybe 23:50 They tell the guy from the tower, they say, hey, they're watching. We've been watching humanity from the skies and we need to tell you that you need to change or you're going to cause an irreversible global catastrophe. And he said that it's that your race is so strange because of all the races in the universe. Remember, we're all physically the same. Sure. But he said of all the races in the universe, they're the only ones who kill each other. And he says that you are 24:18 you are creating weapons to the scale of anything, not like anything else in the universe, because we're not out here killing each other. And he's like, you're going to destroy yourselves if you continue down the path that you're on. Right. So very stereotypical, like alien warning that you hear from these things. Sure. Sure. Sure. And the tower agent is very skeptical. And he's so he comes back and said, yeah, if you are so advanced, then how are you? Oh, yeah. 24:48 okay. It's like if you're so advanced, then why are you speaking Spanish right now? Like how and racist? What are you talking about? That's what he said. He said he said if you're so advanced, why are you speaking Spanish? He said, shouldn't you be speaking some like alien language? Oh yeah, I thought you were like learn English you Dom. Oh, that's not what he was saying at all, and so they said that they're able to speak any human language and he said he said prove it. I'm trilingual 25:16 and so he's but he says that in German, tri-lingual always in German. Yeah. So he says that in German and then they responded German and then he started. He asked him a question in English. They respond in English and so then he's like, oh, that's kind of cool. Actually, I'm pretty impressed. You're at least tri-lingual and so he's starting and this is all on the testimony of one air traffic controller. Well, we have the transcript from the like the like log from tower. Okay, so 25:46 ah They then continue on and they tell them you're not alone in this universe. There are many other races um and there are some that we're actually keeping away from you. And so it sounds like these guys are like in charge. The things that they're and it says, we're watching you. And so he says, like, why don't you come and like show us your spacecraft? Like to like give us something to where we can believe you and not just think like this is just some weird, like hallucinating pilot. um And they say we would. 26:14 but you would just kill us. He's like, you're an aggressive. 26:21 true. He says was the last alien showed up in a fight bang, bang, bang, bang, Yeah, they're like, they're like, you would shoot us down. What's the last time you've been in a fight? Okay, and so he they, they say, yeah, you would just shoot us down and he's like, yeah, you're probably right. That is actually probably what we would do and so then the the conversation kind of goes flat. Like they'd stop responding to his questions and answer anything else to say 26:52 And so he continues like kind of poking them trying to get them to say something 27:00 tower to aliens, so 27:09 When was the last time you guys had a fight? 27:13 it's like it's like I think I find it made them mad with that one shoot, shoot, tower to aliens. Y'all do drugs. That was the day or program in Tennessee. Y'all do drugs, please. How's our comes in the classroom? I was doing drug. 27:38 they were housing Tennessee last this hotel. So I'm at this hotel. There's a barbecue place next door right and I can see the smoke coming up from the thing. That's how you was like a real barbecue place or like a well. That's what I'm saying. That's how you know it's a good rest. Yeah is if you see because like I drove past an Arby's today and it's like we smoke the meat. There's no smoke coming out of the top of the Arby's yeah, but like this is a barbecue place next to this hotel. It's got a smoke stack coming out the whole thing right and so I was like dang. I'm gonna get some barbecue 28:08 this. So I did my workout, got a shower, got dressed. I got, uh, it's, it's right next to the hotel. So I walked to it and it's not a barbecue place. It is a funeral home. 28:24 Yeah, that was a crematorium that I was looking at and 28:33 What makes it worse is the front desk. They have a shuttle. They take you around town. The girl, the friend does like, do you need to ride somewhere? I said, no, I'm to walk next door and get some food. 28:50 she was like, excuse me, like what I said, I'm going to walk the place next door and grab a bite. I'm going to get me some barbecue. 29:00 I present truth. 29:12 yikes yeah well anyway, it's a memory I'll have forever. Yeah, I think I was stupid. I felt walking. I was like there's no cars here or none cars here. Oh, there's one car is long. There's a long car. There's a horse man here. It's cool branding. We sick 29:35 were you able to get in? No, I wasn't sure. I wasn't stupid enough to walk all the way to the front door. I rounded the corner, saw the hearse thought hold on and then I saw the sign and said something something funeral home and I went oh and I walked back and I told the person the front desk. I said that's not a restaurant. I didn't know I was a funeral home. You told 30:04 because I needed her. No, I'm not crazy. I go bad and I said I will take that shuttle ride. What did she say? Yeah, I was like, I prefer like, do you guys got like a graveyard? I like my food, a real barbecue. I like a little too well done there. That's crazy. Yeah, I felt really dumb. Oh my God. No, I joked with the girl at the front. I said, I said, Hey, I thought 30:30 I said I saw the smoke. I said I feel really stupid. She was like, yep, she said you need a shuttle and I was like yes, she did. She did a joke with you though. She didn't joke back. That sucks too. There's no way out of that too. If you, if you, if you try to joke with somebody and they don't joke back, you just got to sit in that, know, and you're just like, 30:51 like you try to go with somebody and then they go and this is really mean man. This is a really traumatic time of my life and I can't believe you would make a video about this and a whole song and like that was something that I really struggled with and then you got to be like no corey asbury. It's fine don't you feel it's funny. It's a little joke. It's like a little funny thing we're doing okay, so it's like radio silent. This guy thinks he made the aliens mad. I have their feelings somehow. 31:16 So he's freaking out for a different reason. He doesn't go, oh, we got a pile of those lost their mind. They're flying in the clouds above the mountains. He goes, I've made the aliens mad. 31:29 Hey, if you love the show, a great way to serve support is by getting some merch. We got lots of great stuff. I'm going to showcase some of it right now. 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I think he is tracking the flight and being like I've lost contact with fly. I still got a murder. I need to make contact there. Obviously I'm sure maybe I'm wrong. I haven't seen this ATC agent. Is that what they go by? They go by agent ATC operative. What do you what do they call operator? What's that? What's the like term for a person and that runs in tower that talk of it? So the ATC hobbit is like a uh 33:58 I was called 34:04 at of it is feeling like I need to track this flight. You thank you. Okay, thank you. uh The track in the fight, I think what's probably happening. I haven't seen any like interviews with them, so I don't know what they were sure sure sure sure, but I'm sure they were like someone's crazy in this fight and it showed up out of nowhere and we got to keep contact with them as they're trying to make contact, but they're not hearing anything back for two minutes. Yeah well for four to two minutes, they're on the conversation and then it just ceases. 34:34 And this was at, I do have a timestamp of when the conversation ended at 1129 AM. So they were on call with them for since like, what would that be like? 1040 something. Sure. 1030 something. uh And now all of a sudden they just stopped in 47. Yeah. They just stopped getting contact with the aliens. And so they're still trying to make contact, but they're not getting anything. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, they're here. 35:02 different voice come from that same frequency. Oh, and it's and then now it's Raphael is him saying help. I'm Raphael, but check out Perez student 82 from wherever he was from. Sure. And so then they say, hey, is there anyone else on the plane with you? Because they immediately are that's a different voice. You got you got you. Yeah. And he was like, no, I'm alone and I don't know how I got here. And so then they guide him to where the he landed the plane successfully. He did the whole thing. He lands. Yeah. 35:32 and uh obviously while this whole thing was underway, tower contacted the authorities. They were standing by at the that's why they arrested immediately. They arrested him because they're like, yeah, this is a crazy person and this is the seventies. This is when everyone was crashing planes into stuff and just crashing planes into the ground and so they arrest him. They question him. He has nothing to say and reporters then ask. Well, they actually they ship him back on a bus and they send a different flight. 36:00 pilot to fly the plane back to the fight school because it's obviously not his plane right. So some other pilot flies the plane back. He gets sent back on a bus, speaking of buses on the way here. I tried to say this in the last episode. You cut me off. You wouldn't let me say it, so somebody waited a week for me to finish this thought, uh but speaking of weird, someone else had to play back and so did that person also get abducted by aliens. Speaking of weird, so no, Tim, 36:29 No, no, them wait another week. I won't remember. I won't remember. I I won't care then either. I don't know if you're going to care now honestly. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 36:58 I want the back way here today because Jared and I were not sure which way was faster. Oh, that's not true. That's not true. Jaron was sure which way was faster. Tim was just over confident that the other way would be even close to the same for some reason. It's clearly double the length of time. I pulled into the parking lot and I was so confident. I beat him and then I saw his car and I was so mad, but he was on the back way. 37:28 a like you drive through these neighborhood roads on the back way yeah, which honestly surprisingly nice homes down that road, a really nice neighborhood back to his riding their bikes had to run them over. They were in the road. were in the way and jared said we have bring any laws. We did say anything about the he did water. When we were leaving, I was like I because he's like okay, we're leaving Panda Express. We're going come to where we record 37:51 and then and I said to him I said okay, but it can't be a situation where we're like speeding like I'm not going to hit the main road and go sixty in the forty like I'm going to do and I actually hit all four track. I hit every single this could not have taken me longer on this route and I still won by almost double the time. Yeah, I pulled up and he wasn't even in his car anymore. You know what happened though? I actually started a timer and I forgot to stop it. 38:20 So it's taken you a really long time actually now that I think about it. Wow. 38:27 two hours. Jared's been driving for two hours. No, the only reason I brought this up. I didn't even mean to tell that whole story. The reason I brought this up is on that road is a normal neighborhood road, normal houses with normal size driveways and one of the people in their driveway pulled literally all the way up to their house is like a nineteen eighty five like city bus that clearly hasn't moved in years and it takes up the entire driveway. 38:56 and I just don't know like I don't know if this like the idea is like oh, I'm going to turn this into an RV or if they bought it a long time ago and they have it a city bus like a city bus and they just have this bus and I honestly it just it took me back to high school because in high school I wanted so bad to be a bus driver. Oh, I want it so bad for my first car to be a school bus. You said so bad or and that's dumb 39:26 and I didn't know about CDL at the time and so I got very how would it be to drive to school in a school bus and I priced them out and I found one that was like this price them out. I found a you did not know about CDL enough that you were shopping for used school buses. I've had a used school bus that would have cost the same amount as the car that I was looking at before and so was like. Oh, this is totally achievable did not realize that 39:53 fuel was going to cost way more and maintenance was going to cost way more. And then also I needed a special license to drive it. But yeah, I wanted that so bad. And honestly, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this out loud, but maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I shouldn't. 40:13 that's personal growth. You saw mom. What you just witnessed was a white man in front of a podcast microphone go well. That makes it sound like I was going to say something worse, but we'll never know, but we'll never know. No, now I have to say it now. Now that you made it so bad, you don't have to say what I was gonna say. That's what's beautiful about it. We live in a free country. 40:41 So when I worked at the church, there was when I worked at the church, we did this like back to school event where we donated backpacks and we were a mega church. So we got a school bus that you would drop the backpacks off in. We could have just like, you know, got a bunch more backpacks, but it's cooler to have the school bus out and drop all the backpacks at the school bus when you donated them. And so I everyone knew I wanted a school, but I got to drive the bus. 41:09 Yeah, I and I would drive the bus around the building and I was illegal because I don't have a CDL, but I don't know if I can put into words how much I loved driving that school bus. Do you guys see that? Tim closed his eyes and was like 41:25 opening up the steering wheel is big. Did it have one of those little you know and I actually look down on drivers who have the little knob yeah. You know on we we had different ones every year. uh One year we did have the knob. I like a guy who just goes yeah yeah yeah they're big and then yeah you got the door that the door opener thing. Sometimes they're up here is great. 41:51 I loved it side. It's weird how much I'd love to try a school bus, so so Rafael's on a bus. Yeah, so Rafael takes a bus back to Mexico City and all these reporters are interviewing. Was any of that worth it? These reporters are interviewing. Sometimes you watch this podcast, you listen to it, you're on your drive right now and like was any of this worth your time? No, 42:18 not at all. So the Rafael gets back to Mexico City and all these kind of buses were you looking at blue bird school buses. I didn't I don't remember. I was bringing the brain sixteen, so Rafael gets back to Mexico City and everybody's interviewing him. Tell me what that says. You've done to a lingo 42:42 Yeah. 42:47 All these newspapers are interviewing ah Raphael. I was alone in the plane and they came to me. They embodied me through my ears. said, hello. Through my mouth, they said, they are listening. 43:06 through my eyes. If you're an audio listener, this is like there's like nine. This is not even and I only know here's the problem about doing duolingo. I know like every other word in this thing, but it's not enough to put it together. You know, you're like oh well, just tell me the words you know. Just read the words. You know, no, I'm joking. I'm joking. uh Well anyway, 43:38 I see duolingoes hiring a new social media manager. You see the salary for it. No, it's the salary. I think the salary range is one seventy to two ninety for the mix. Social media manager. Yeah, impressive. You think you could do it as well as duolingoes social media? I think it's low honestly for them for what they for the for what they've Yeah, sure. The value it's added to the company. I think it's low anyways. Yeah, so he gets all these inner newspaper interviews and every newspaper interview is the same. It's like they ask him what happened and he's like I don't know 44:08 He's like, I really do think that he had like a medical emergency and like passed out or something and was just talking in his half sleep for a bit. And I do they inspect the plane. Nothing was wrong with the plane, I guess. I haven't seen any reports about anything, any inspections done. So I don't know. I would assume that they would. We didn't, I don't know. This is an interesting story because it was highly publicized and it was kind of like shut down. 44:37 sure it didn't happen and then it got re released in like their equivalent of a FOIA report. Well, the whole thing is like you don't want for forty two minutes. Like let's say let's say there, you know, obviously there's no aliens right, but let's say I don't know if obviously is the word obviously there's no aliens. So here we go. Potentially for sure there's no aliens and so we see here we go. Okay, well this crazy guy just had a plane for an hour like what's worse. There's no there's releasing that information at the top. There's no benefit 45:07 You know yeah, I mean kinda yeah, but yeah, it would almost be better to be like he had a medical emergency. We followed the flight. We got him down safe. This is a miracle of flight aviation safety. You know yeah, I suppose yeah, maybe and I do think there is merit to what you're saying because this is nineteen seventy six. This is the height of the cold war. Everyone's talking about how we're going to nuke each other and I mean Roswell has already happened and so like the alien 45:36 storylines out there right, so it very well could be like in the back of his psyche sure that these things are possible, um but and I mean honestly he's probably a lonely guy, so he's saying you are you saying there might be a world where he just he just broke and maybe in the other side too is maybe he just broke under the pressure of his first solo flight. Yeah, maybe maybe what I just had a psychotic break. Well, what I was saying was if if what you're saying is 46:06 correct that there was some sort of carbon monoxide issue going on and he did like pass out or fall asleep or something. I do think that there's enough going on in the world at the time where this could be explainable. It's like his subconscious was sure saying these type of things. It's not so obscure. also what I'm saying is like he didn't pass out, but if he's if he's loopy enough that it's like he's high altered state, you know, yeah, and he's like, well, that's what they're telling me. They say this and 46:35 you know, and maybe it's one of those things where it starts as like a miss, like a sentence messes up where he's like, well, that's what I, that's what they said and they're they yeah, they yeah, you know, and he's in too deep. He's got to double down. No, but I'm saying like way out of it. You know, this person's on drugs, essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's something there that then your brains filling gaps being like, yeah, they yeah, they interest, you know, 47:04 that's that makes the most sense to me. Honestly, yeah, I think that's a really interesting theory. I think I haven't seen anyone say anything anywhere near just got to put me in the red. It's I'll handle all this. I'll handle all of them. I think that's a theory, but I also think it's more likely that it's aliens, of course, and I do think that it's more likely that we're all the same and we're the only ones who kill each other. Do you think the aliens look like us? Yeah, we're the hots 47:33 Not you. You felt that though right. You saw us high five and then for a moment we were the hots and then he went ha ha and you saw it away. I wish we had the budget for uh for just decay of your body in your face and ha ha Robert could do that. You know, spend a couple hundred bucks on it. Who cares Robert? 48:07 we're going to get the invoice for that and you're going to gosh does worse as said it. That's the whole story that like there was no cons did he ever become pilot. Oh he kicked out of school. He could have become pilot anymore, and so he said this event ruined his career because he was trying to be like an actual course like it wasn't. This wasn't this wasn't like you or it was just a hobby. I this was a career path for him. What are you going to do? We know 48:30 I don't know what he went on to actually do, but it wasn't fly sure, so he never got to do that again. That was those last flight first solo last flight all together, so he was deemed probably medically unfit to fly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so I'm pretty confident aliens. um He could have fought it it was if they did that whole carbon ox. I think what's also interesting is like when your brain is like at that like 48:57 whoo, you know, kind of thing. You're over the mountains and you hit that eight thousand, you know, ah and then ah the devil shows up and he says they've been looking for you and he goes, well, we've been looking for they and then pulls out of fiddle and goes and because like he didn't have the skill. He wasn't able to do it when he was like normal, but like we was looking for they 49:26 When's last time you got in a fight? 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