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00:00 So there's a scientist who's studying Parkinson's and then a girl shows up at the conference and says why do Parkinson's people smell like that and then that sets off a whole chain of events where apparently apparently Parkinson's people have a smell apparently Parkinson's smells like that yeah. This is things are on us night. It's a comedy podcast where we're learning today about a woman who couldn't smell Parkinson's apparently, allegedly allegedly so 00:30 if you like this show, you can subscribe and comment and all that stuff. Hey, my stand up tour is happening in June. Well, I mean I'm doing a lot of other shows. I'll be in. When's this episode come out? It is May. It's May thirteen hated that oh happy birthday. Hey, thanks man. Appreciate it. I hated the that was the worst. That was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. 00:58 okay. So anyway, May, thirty his birthday. Other than that, not a whole lot going on. I will be on tour will be in Jacksonville, Charlotte, North Carolina, Cincinnati, Bowling Green, Kentucky and then a bunch of Tates in Texas, a bunch of a but take those in Coleman, Alabama, wherever that is, I'll find out and the bus will take me there, so I would love to see you. All my shows are jeremeyers dot com slash shows. Please come to those that'll make them a lot more fun. 01:26 because when people don't show up to them, they're not very good. All right, let's get to the episode. 01:34 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of joy, Meln said joy, Meln, Joy, Meln, Joy, Mel, Joy, Joy, Mel, 01:47 joy mill. Okay, that's what I'm saying joy mill. All right. I hate that this is how all of our episodes freaking start is just you saying a name seventeen times roll the intro dude, play the theme song. We do that. We do that now. People liked it. People like that the episode yeah and people like oh man. I really missed the intro just freaking at least is better than you going joy mill. You sound like the freaking my dual ingo app in like joy mill. 02:15 you sound like those cassette days people used to use to learn language joy mill and then I go joy mill and then you go joy mill and then I go m in my car. I'm driving you know to the job. I hate I'm sitting here. I a fight with my wife in the morning and I spilled orange juice all over my shirt that I had to go to work and so you can kind of you know how when your shirt's just wet and you're driving like then my cassette tapes in my freaking 02:43 like beat up a little car. I'm like right and my cassette tape is you going joy mill and I go joy mill joy mill join mil 02:59 theme song. Who cares? 03:25 Things I learned last night. 03:34 So what's up? Who's JoyMill? 03:43 okay, I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about. I'm not going to lie. I stopped listening to you because you brought to lingo and all I could think about is duolingo social media. Oh yeah, because it's the craziest thing. How the streak do you have right now? Oh, it's bad. I've been having a hard time keeping up with it because here's my duolingo usage has always been get out of the gym. 04:04 go into the sauna and do do a lingo in the sauna into my phone overheats and that's how I know I hit my time. I guess that's time all right, but I've been having a hard time making it to the gym lately. I don't know if you can tell by how fat my face is. Can you see it that about my gosh don't give me that you every day we end our phone calls and Jaron says by the way your face is looking really fat every single phone call. I never say that 04:34 I say Pudgee. I Dueling has got a crazy social media. Whoever runs a social media, we don't have time Alex as a meeting. Oh, I don't care. I joy that you switch to two X shirts though. Yeah, really certain yeah the hide the budge yeah, so enjoy mail and I think the best place to start with joy, Milan is a gut by a guy would you with Millen, Milton, Milani, Milen, 05:02 Okay, dream meal. 05:09 I nailed it to a mill. That's do a lingo for you guys. don't know for all you who aren't called language speakers. No, okay, so no le literally the second word you like crap. I don't know that one. know language. What's your do a lingo streak? 05:37 one hundred and four. That's what I was just talking about. It is frustrated, because I'm not going to lie every time I try to continue my streak. I open it up and it gives me a notification to congratulate you on hitting a new milestone and it makes me so mad every time because you started it because I had a streak. I had a I started. You were a wife had a streak. She had a four day streak and then she gave up and I have a hundred and forty eight days to great up 05:59 but also we were at Disney the other day and there was a Mariachi band as the race. know there was a Mariachi band playing. You got a friend in me yeah and she goes we're walking away and she goes. So did you understand that and I went? I am enraged that I have a hundred and forty eight day streak on Duolingo 06:21 I don't understand a word they said all you know how to do is buy jeans. I'm really I'm kind of like I don't think this thing works. I will say well, because I was like two fifty something when I crashed out, but I was on Chinese and I watched a documentary and it was in China and in that documentary there was moments where I was like I was like I think I understood that sentence, but I didn't know for sure. I just thought I understood it, but it took you a full almost a year. 06:49 yeah understand a couple words. That's what I'm saying, but that would remember high school Spanish. It was the same thing high school Spanish. You spent a year in high school Spanish and you were like this still doesn't make any sense. I know I'm working on it. You're working on high school yeah. I never passed okay yeah just like college and how they call you alumni, a distinguished alumni, so if we're doing bits, let me do what I mine 07:14 who's join mill. Oh yeah joy. The best place to start with joy is to talk about another guy instead this guy by the name of T lo, coon, ath, oh, T lo, do you now have her you're supposed to? I'm not doing the we've we're now eight minutes into an episode that we don't know what they were talking about. No, we already wrote five and theme song twice because we just you just freaking keep talking dude. 07:44 I was thinking about this the other day. was no no stop. I'm setting boundaries. We're doing the episode. We're not sponsored Telo Kunath. He's a Parkinson's research. Yeah, she's in that seventy show. No 08:06 she's married to Ashen Kutcher, Yikes, No, I mean not I yes. Okay, so T, low even get the joke I'm doing yeah. You're doing Milo, Kuna, Kuna's, Kumas, T, T, Mila, Mila, Kumas, Mila, Coo. I don't know famous people rough to listen to so so T, low, T, low, 08:31 Tilo. He's a parkinsons researcher at the University of Edinburgh, okay, and he had a speech about parkinson's. He was given this speech. This is like I think it was twenty ten ish somewhere around there like big Ted talk era, and so he's given a speech on parkinson's does his whole thing. He's like he's like this is everything we know about parkinson's yeah, and then he does at the end of the speech like a lot of people do. He does the open Q and A, so does the open Q and A answered a bunch of questions and so it was like how do we do we have any 09:01 progress on curing Parkinson's. He said yeah, we're making progress. We need to fund it though, so you guys could all go dump ice on yourselves and then say you'll give fifteen dollars, but never actually give any money. Yeah, I would love that to go viral and help a lot. Yeah, don't some ice on yourself, so he's doing the Q and A. Everyone answered all these questions about Parkinson's. All these people have and then the people in the aisle, the line comes up to this woman and she says 09:28 I hate a low great speech, really appreciate everything your research, everything you're doing. I just have a quick question and she says why did people with Parkinson's smell like that and he said excuse me and she said why she was why do you with back in the so why do people 09:52 with Parkinson's. 09:57 smell like that. 10:07 head. He said I really honest with you. I have no idea what you're talking about. He's like he's like I don't think that there's a distinctive smell of people. The park is he have Parkinson's no he's a resercher yeah and she says she says now you're wrong. says okay there is, but thanks and then walks away. All right, I mean yeah there is yeah there is all right. See yeah and so all right buddy. I'll talk to you later all right. By the way you smell real bad 10:37 your face is getting pudgy. I hope I never forget you, so he says like in an interview later he's like. I just dismissed it and what I said to her was his, but I'll be honest second. I got back to the lab, started to be like 11:00 his test patients are sitting there and he's he's just like he's like okay, so I need you to do this this. I want to hook this up to you and they're like. Did you just said you just sniffing like no, I got a no. just guys sometimes I just have a deviated symptom. Yeah, was just breathing sorry sorry yeah yeah yeah. That probably seemed unprofessional. Have you always smelled like that so like 11:28 so like why yeah, and so he says his response to her at the thing. said, why should people with Parkinson's have an odor? He said you want to normally think that neurodegenerative conditions such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's would have an odor and she's like okay, and so then afterwards they mean the lobby and he's like you want to tell me more about that weird question you asked and she was like I can smell him and he was like what she's like. I can smell people with Parkinson's. I they have a very distinctive smell 11:56 she's like a friggin drug dog, so she tells him to pull the canine unit. I feel like we got some some Parkinson's over here, so she tells of her husband walks there. Oh 12:14 Yeah. So she goes on. No. 12:21 she goes on to tell him that she has this condition called hyper osmia, which effectively is it's just a heighten. Is joy? that who that is yeah? Joy her name is joy okay, and so joy is like while I suffer from hyper osmia and so it's just a heightened sense of smell. She can smell stuff really, really well like really, really well. I apply for the police department. 12:44 and they were like what position he wants. She's like want to be with the dog. I want to be one of the dogs. I want to be one of the cow. want to be in the canine unit. Oh okay, yeah, we'll give you a duck. No, I want to be let me canine, let me run the fields and smell for bones. I can find the field and smell for all right. She's just so matter fact, which is like. I mean they do, but okay, she walks in so it's out. She's like 13:13 there's a dead guy here. There's you have a dead guy underneath your house. Yeah sure that's what mediums are. People thought they were talking to the ghost. They just they just smell the dead around here. I smell your dad, smell your dead 13:31 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 13:58 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 14:16 or that the smells just super strong and so all of her life. Yeah, it's a real condition that's where it's genetic and so it's interesting hearing her talk about it because she's like there's like obviously things that smell really good. It's fantastic. It's the best thing in the world because I love it yeah, but then things that smell really bad. It's pretty torture awful yeah and so she can catch smells that most of the rain catch. I don't think so. 14:40 I don't believe you. Why is it that I can grow my muscles and my legs and my arms, but I can't train my Nazis? I mean, I think it's the same reason why you can't train your eyes like your eyes can't get better. You can train your eyes get contacts. Maybe we could make context for your nose, speaking of eyes so the other night. Okay, all right, 14:58 So you know how you think that if someone breaks in your house, you're just to spread down the hallway. I found out what I would do. Oh, did someone break in your house? Well, I wake up in middle of night and I hear there's a specific tile in our hallway that when you step on it right and I heard that tile yeah and and so I look up the first thing I do if I wake up in the middle of night and I'm kind like what's going on as I look at our pets yeah because like if they're just chilling that's a normal moe. I'm let our cat is looking straight at the door yeah and I'm like oh 15:27 crap something's out there, so I jumped out of bed and I literally like load up because my plan just so know someone comes into our bedroom. My door, our door opens in right. My plan is to full bum rush that door yeah to like body weight into the dock, him into the not a lock him just like I'm trying to. I want them to come halfway into the room so I can pin them 15:48 yeah in the door frame in the door right. That's what I mean. Lock up with your body, go yeah, yeah, or at least like let's say they're open. I'm going to break their forearm yeah that way like I can stun them and then run on the hallway right and I'm literally my door. The door moves and I like gosh and I felt my eyes. This is what I thought about. I literally felt my eyes do like what focus yes literally I thought my eyes zoom and it's now it's like it's for four thirty in the morning and I'm like oh my gosh, this is happening. Someone's out there and I sit there and I literally just wait 16:16 and the door doesn't move and so now I but I reach for it. I grab it and I lunge into the hallway and I learned in that moment that the first thing I did was look at my cat. The first thing I should have done 16:30 was look to see if my wife was still because I scared the heck out of both of us broke her eye. Well, okay, and then I was like this is how spouses get shot. That's what happens. Yeah times as people grab their gun and they think of in the house and they shoot their spouse. They shoot their kid or you know, so I did what I had to do to defend my home and 17:00 so she's got a heightened smell, so she can sell stuff. Does it work for? I mean obviously I would assume it works for other stuff, but she just wandering on a hospital now like walking in a room like here's what happened. Oh yeah, they have a Pentecitis. Here's what happened. She's sixteen runs away your pettis is about to pass. 17:19 hey, I'm not a medical professional, but you should go to a doctor and get that checked out because you have a really distinct smell about you and I feel like maybe you have an underlying condition that's maybe revealing itself to your orifices and the smells that you're emanating to the rubber out. You go beat up with her for coffee, you're a Panera bread. 17:34 and it's like oh hey, good time. He's like no, I'm doing a different bit. I'm doing a different, but you can't go. You're a panera bread like it's one word. You're a panera bread. She's just call it Panera, come in, go for the hug. It's like a dog time to see she's like oh you're you're clinically depressed, aren't you? She's like I smell the sadness. Oh, I smell the sad 18:01 okay. Oh no, that's just the urine. I haven't been able to get out of bed and use the bathroom for a week, so yeah, I've just been too sad. I've been going to the bathroom on yourself. Yeah, it's the only warmth I've got 18:18 okay, okay, okay, counseling's in session next door. By the way he came over here today. He was. was like you got sessions saying he's like yeah, he said it just like that. He did he came or anyway yeah, oh no, so he's over there. So actually we had a bit because he's he's on the other side of the wall. He's doing counseling over here. He said that he listened to. He heard us talking about the boss and marathon, the road, the episode we did and he goes something about waffle house and the boss and marathon and I said wait. This is a new bit 18:46 yeah. Now we're to record these episodes and then right after we're done, we're going to have you come over here and we're going to call it tillin overheard and I just and you're going to try to figure out what we talked about based on what you heard through the walls. While your count someone's P, right he's on the right track to be honest, right track. No, so she was sixteen, so she 19:12 sixteen years, sixteen years old, no, no, this was a way later in life. This was the way that in life, but back when she was sixteen yeah, she met her husband less and she said the thing that attracted her to him first was his smell, because she's a smell person right and so it used to be non non yeah. He changed it to less, because he's not after kill that guy. So so she was attracted to his he's attracted to a smell 19:42 the way she says it hate this sentence. You're going to love it. He had a lovely male musk smell. That was how she described him. Love that. That was the name of the cologne I bought when I was an eighth grade lovely male. Was that bod? Yes, I had the same one by 20:05 Oh, that was a bit. That was a joke. You were serious. Okay, so would you buy it? J C Penny? No, it's actually a gift. Someone gave it to me. That's always how it goes, and here's the thing. If you're buying an eighth grade boy, bottle of cologne, maybe just say hey buddy shower more. Don't be passive aggressive with your Christmas gifts. Just tell him hey man, you got to start wearing deodorant. You smell yeah, that's pretty good. I think that's what I want to get you next to cologne, because I think I think a cologne like a cologne gift box is like one those things where it's like 20:35 it's like I don't know what to get you yeah yeah. I did I did and this is not a joke. This is not a bit okay. Yeah, I used that sleep mask last night in my hotel. Was it good took it off fifteen minutes in it's so bulky. It's so hard to lay on the pillow with you know all these people who were doing as they're lying man, it's not comfortable at all. I will say this is that you know what blocked out just as much light as the zero light 21:03 a mass you bought your I the God gave me it's like I didn't do it. Thank you God for this mask. Thank you God for my I mass. Thank you God for this yeah. We just are doing anti ads on tick tock. We're like hey guys, you want better sleep close your eyes close those eyes. That's probably what your problem is. You're one of the morning going close them close the I sleep so much. Your eyes are closed. You'd sleep better so so she's 21:32 use promo code close them to close your eyes. 21:39 if you type close up in your phone, your eyes are closer. You'll never be able to open up again. Yeah, I'll tell you what the guy I sat next to on the flight last night had an unpleasant male musk and and I was like I wish joy was here to smell this man, so about ten years into their marriage. Yeah less is now third thirty one. She's thirty years old. She's a nurse. She works at okay. She's a yeah. I don't know what she was doing at the time, 22:09 and she says he comes home from work and all of sudden one day she's like. Why do you smell like that and she was like he was like what do mean he's like you smell different and she he's like I'll shower I guess and then she's like from that point forward he just smelled different and she's like I didn't understand why and all of a sudden his just sent changed and she was like it was kind of sad for me because that was the only reason I like. She said that was the first thing that attracted her to it. They started to go distant 22:39 and suddenly they were eating dinner out a lot like at Red Lobster silently. 22:47 and he's like babe joy. What do I? What do need me to do? Like what can I change? Yeah and she goes, I don't even know if you can just gonna smell different, just something in the air between us 23:05 so a little over ten years later he's in his early forties okay, and she starts noticing her or his disposition is changing yeah by forty five he ends up getting diagnosed with Parkinson's and so she still hasn't connected the dots. They're doing all the treatments. Eventually they start going to a treatment like group like a treatment small group for people with Parkinson. She starts to smell they go to the treatment group 23:33 she sits down in that room and she's like what is going on here and so she goes home and they're on the drive home and she's like time she's sitting in this group and like everyone else like is there being a supportive spouse or whatever and she's just in there. 23:50 she's got that looker face and like they do smell like a dude. Everyone's like okay. Did you see less his wife? She was so disgusted by all of us dude. I just have Parkinson's. I'm not leprosy like it's not contagious. Yeah freaking yeah is it contagious? I don't 24:15 think it is pretty sure it's not. pretty sure it's not. I hate that you were like I don't think that one like ninety nine, but I mean there's a way to be like like who knows you pay that you can smell it yeah. It was kind of like that was really rude of her yeah, and so they get in the car and she's driving home and she's like less. This is going to sound a little crazy, but I got to tell you whoever smelt it dealt it all those people smell like you 24:45 and so he starts to think oh that's curious and so they long story short end up connecting the dots that the smell that he that changed in him was Parkinson's because Parkinson's is usually the condition you don't catch for decades after you so I need over. need to get her to smell us really early like the Harry Potter sorting hat. So I just walk up and she can go you're clear, you're clear, 25:13 and so over tests, but but she would just sniff yeah and so she tells this researcher all this. Oh man, what if she got cove it and lost her sense of smell? What a wild ride to go from smell my so much selling so little like nothing. You know 25:35 so I don't know why, but yeah, so we're trying to smell. She tells this research all this okay, and he's like he's like this is really interesting. I'd love to check this out and so he goes to try to get funding for this and everybody in academia is like stupid. Yeah, this is the dumbest thing I ever heard, so he manages to put together like kind of like a ad hoc like small sure experiment to like almost like a proof of concept. So he gets a group of ten people 26:04 five people with Parkinson's, five people without and brings them and does sets up like an actual like real experiment. It's double blind. So he has someone else go grab shirts from all of them. They walk in the room. The guy's like, me your shirt and then they take all the shirts, bag them up separately so they don't contaminate each other. They take joy into a room, hand the shirts to a different researcher. So this person doesn't know what shirts are the contaminated shirts, the Parkinson's shirts, and then they 26:33 to have her on bag them sniff them and sort them Parkinson's and not Parkinson's and so just based on smelling their shirt just from selling, smelling their shirt. What a weird experiment 26:53 what she's on the pit. No, she was actually some on the neckline. 27:01 Do you have it? 27:12 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. We have a mailing list. that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes. We've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of Till and Topics. So if you want to keep learning stuff, even beyond the content of the episodes, that's a great place to do it. Also, we give updates on things that's happening in the Till and Verse. 27:38 I like that. I've never said Tilenverse before, but I'm sticking with it. If you want to know what's happening in the Tilenverse, that's the best place to do it. You can go to Tilen.com. There's a link in the description or you can text Tilen to 66866. There's a lot of ways to sign up for the mailing list to make sure you keep up to date with everything that we've talked about and everything that's going on in the Tilenverse. But anyways, now back to this episode. 28:04 yeah, so she's all these shirts okay and she put all five people with Parkinson's correctly in the Parkinson's group. She did make one mistake though, because there was five control people. She put one of them in the Parkinson's group, but that was still good enough where they're like that's a pretty impressive like rate to only get one wrong two years later turns out she only got one wrong control group and so 28:32 at Parkinson's, so Tilo takes this writes up a little paper okay and then goes back and he's like he's like look what I found he's like someone fund a bigger experiment like I think there's something going on here that we don't know about yeah. I think Parkinson's people smell like that and in this paper I will cover Parkinson's people do indeed sell like that Parkinson's people. 29:01 do need so like that or put another way. 29:08 Parkinson's personas. The thing or Roma see it's working dueling go. I don't know the words I use code do use code close. So the researcher goes out trying to get funding academia still like this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 29:35 so it kind of goes underground for a while. He's just like he's he's got it in his brain. He's like he's like I think something's here. I really want to do a large scale study. I can't get funding for it. He continued and they can't find anybody else who can smell that yeah yeah. No, it's just her. She's the only person well they he hasn't done a wide scale research like he's just had that meeting with her sure and so so he's like kind of has to go back into just the regular like life and so he's still going around doing his conferences talking about Parkinson's telling people about it. 30:05 and one of these conferences he comes across that guy in the control route that she miss identified and he was like he's like oh he's like it's funny seeing you here. He's like did that just interest you in that? Did you find some interest? He's like well actually two months later I was diagnosed with Parkinson's. I that's crazy right wait a minute and so he was like hold on say that again. He's like let me record that again say you say it in Spanish this time. How many languages could you say that 30:33 So after that he publishes a follow up and he publishes the follow up all of a sudden. All the research institutions were like oh hey, you want some money she does she had she found it before it was even diagonal before it was diagnosed and so then a lot of people started lining up to fund it and so then they started doing now she sits on a golden throne at a hospital. She's like this is my smell seat University of Kansas medical and she just sits there and just 31:03 and they walk in like hello almighty joy. We have person he's sick. Tell us Alex is looking at me like is that an accent like what's he doing? Alex is like is that offensive? What is he doing because you're like 31:25 you did a weird bailed maybe three words. I'm still very much trying it. I was still trying really hard to accent. I don't know what the accent was. I don't know from the start. 31:40 There was never a bail. That was earnest the whole time. 31:50 that's crazy. What accident was that? It was supposed to be like like maybe I was just leaving it because if you define it, then it's absolutely right. It was never. It was never offensive. It was like mid a medieval. It was supposed to be mid like so like that's what we all got that crazy dude. 32:22 okay. You were going peasant like hello yeah like she's like to you from a far yeah. Here's a sick person came out this person sounds like he did not come out like well. It's all about intent right. 32:45 I cry. Oh my gosh! Okay, so anyway yeah, so now they got funding yeah, get funding crazy and then they go for a larger round of research and long story short through this research. They end up discovering okay. She can actually smell Parkinson's and smell park and what they discover is that people with Parkinson's yeah they 33:15 there's hold on and see if I can get this right. There's some basis gland. I think I said that right so basis gland okay, which is essentially a gland that's in any of your like hair fall, fall, a coals yeah and so like if you get a set that's pretty much the juice that comes out of it. I hate that it's called sebum and so sebum is that just like oils, the oils that you're sebum yeah, see them like the body builder. What sebum? How do you spell it? Look up see 33:44 buim just google see buim a guarantee. Oh, whoa, see bum chris bumstead yep. He goes by sebum does by sebum yeah. I bet he smells he's got energy drinks called sebum interesting. Yeah, I've never heard of a bum juice. Apparently it's just a sweat gland. It's just well, it's not sweat. That's the important thing. It's not actually sweat, but it's it's a an oily secretion that every human has and so that's what the you your sweat is your smell 34:13 your sebum is also your smell and they kind of mix together to make your smell okay, but people with Parkinson's the chemical makeup of their sebum is different and so the chemicals in there obviously affect the smell. Most of us don't have strong enough nostrils to catch that okay smell, but she does and so she was able to start figuring that out so 34:36 Are you? Are they then able to test the glands for early detection of Parkinson's? Is that where this goes? So what they've done is they created a swab where they can just swab in really anywhere on your skin to get some of your sea bum and then they can check that chemical makeup of that and see if you're see them to see if you have Parkinson's yeah and through this research they've just the early signs of Parkinson's 34:59 I don't know if there are really any really early signs like that. The thing is like you have it for like a decade where it like just slowly deteriorates you and then all of a sudden you start shaking yeah and that's like usually the shakes is when people start to realize that that's usually the first identifier, but you've had it for usually like a decade before that and just had no idea and by then it's like well. I mean at any point there's really no cure, but there's treatments there sure sure sure to so 35:27 they created this this swap yeah and that's still kind of being rolled out. It's not universally accepted yet, but they're still rolling out this swab that was like mid twenty twenties that that came out so really recent that they came out with the swap and now they're doing some more research with her because she's a nurse and she's like she's like here's the deal she's like she's like I knew for a fact when I went into that Parkinson's meeting that oh that's Parkinson's smell yeah and she's like but I'm to be honest with you I'm a nurse she's like 35:56 I'm pretty confident. I've always kind of in the back of my mind and like oh you smell like cancer. You smell like Alzheimer's you smell like this like when people come in because she's like I've just been around all that yeah and I've started to identify a pattern of smells. You smell like cancer. It's a crazy thing to say. 36:18 you smell like cancer. Okay, okay, you should get checked all right. All right, that's rude. I think I'm not sure what to so so he she they start researching this and realizing oh most of these things that she's talking about. They do actually have a different chemical makeup in the sea of people who have this and so they're starting to 36:48 to create these swabs and tests where swap it put it in. If it comes up kind of like really any other test where you just put it put the chemical in it. What if it identifies those chemicals yeah you have this condition, what they do on cops where they put a little bit of meth in the thing. If it turns pink that's mess pretty much yeah and so yeah they go they got all the fun colors. You have Parkinson's I know it's what a sucky way to fire like a pool chlorine test just for again 37:19 So anyway, now it takes a couple of like takes a couple of minutes. Yeah, we'll have to have to see what happens here. This is rather offensive now that I'm thinking through it, but you're clear Alzheimer's your wife did cheat on you and see that and that's in there. I get you smell like someone who's been cheated on. You smell like some you smell divorced, so they've they've proved that 37:49 when she sat in front of the audience with everybody else there and said why do people with Parkinson's smell like that she wasn't making it up. She wasn't making it up. She really can smell Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and cancer and pretty much any condition she can smell. The real question is can she smell what the rock is cooking 38:09 Okay, forget that. We can fiddle it off. Forget that. hate that joke. The floor's wet. 38:24 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of things on last night. If you liked that and you want more kind of sciencey experimental stuff, we did a whole episode about Dede Palmer, a scientist slash doctor who had some crazy theories on what could fix someone's hearing. 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00:00 all right. Here's another episode. You all gave us the feedback. You don't like the intros. We don't know what to do anymore. You guys go. I don't spoil the episode, the intro. All right, we won't. Here's the we still got to do an intro. I got to say welcome to the comedy podcast. is an episode that is about a scam. Someone sure it's a true story. It's not a scam. It's 00:27 okay, a bit a business for this way. Okay, so if someone gave you the opportunity of a lifetime, how much are you willing? How far are you willing to go to make sure you get that that dream that you don't let it slip? Yeah, I would don't don't don't don't don't don't don't go all the way to Jakarta. You let it slip, you know yeah. This is an episode. It's where we're again. It's a comedy podcast. Please, you know we have to say 00:53 we have to do an intro because people will comment and they'll be like I hate having jokes aren't funny. You guys are funny, but this is serious. It's a serious alien episode or whatever, but then we can't do an intro because the people who listen to our show are like you're spoiling the episode. You put us in a tough spot. You're in a corner now, so it's may six. You put us in a corner speaking of being in a corner. I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida and 01:16 some other places. I'll be at the corner of the country, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Texas, Ohio, Kentucky, even or anywhere near those places. You're going to want to check out the church comedy tour. We're going back out Shama and Mike and myself and that's jerry miners dot com slash shows. We'd love to see you there. That'd be awesome. And if you're sitting here and you like, didn't you just do Florida and Texas 01:43 I asked him the same thing. said, why are we doing that again? But if you miss it. 01:46 and they were like not chance. We talking about it because the tour company forgot that about us. They were doing their fry bigger fish like Elmo and and would be on ice or whatever do they've got so many weird and the gathers and stuff. You know we can't compete with that. We're just the dumb little comedy church tour so church comedy tour, church comedy, whatever either way. I'm laugh was actually do the venue in Cincinnati. Ohio is sick like it's a really cool. You live in Cincinnati, Ohio or near there for Indianapolis Indiana. It's one of those like 02:16 really like it's an old church. If I showed it to you now, you have it's an old church that's now a venue yeah and oh it's so cool. So anyway excited about that. Here's the episode I think. 02:31 Hey man, what's up? Wait, we can't start yet. I got to tell you about this guy I said next to my flight, so I won't say his name, but he is a grant cardone adjacent person okay, and he sat in the middle seat in delta comfort plus, so they're not making it okay, but he's I mean you know he is he's posting stuff the whole time. He's written a couple books. Okay, I you look him up on social. I just happen to see his name on the thing and I because I saw him like 02:58 posting a grant card own thing and I was like I'm weird and so yeah and he's got an established presence. He's not just like a low person, but like I don't know buddy yeah, but he's out speaking. He's written a couple books for whatever, but this man had a pack of gum and he offered me one being as like. no, that's all right and then he had to be swallowing all of them, because he was just because I'm not. I'm not joking. The entire pack of gum was gone by the end of the flight, 03:27 so he was just he was doing it as soon as his flavor. He's like and then he's popping another he offered to me twice on the flight and I was like no, that's a no. What you do like an hour later, I'm like looking in the pocket in front of him. I'm like. Did you take all the no you've been swallowing that gum she's so was it nicotine gum? I don't know. You have a problem. He's offering strangers next to him nicotine gum 03:54 you look to me like hey man, you like big tobacco. I've been trying to get into it. I've been trying to work my way in the nicotine. We did a whole okay, so there was an editing issue. I'm not an issue, but some some notes got made Robert okay in our is it a regaler episode recently yeah they you we did this whole pro smoking bit 04:18 and then I remember us being like guys. We're not pro smoking, but evergreen network is and like we did that joke, but then it got cut out. So honestly, listening to that bit sounds like you and I are pro smoking yeah, yeah, which I am. I'm saying we I feel like we have to be like no. I think smoking is bad for your health, but it is cool. Oh, we're anti should not do there are 04:44 there are kids, if you do it's cool kids who listen to this and I don't want them to think that I smoke. I don't yeah yeah he doesn't smoke cigarettes, smoke. don't smoke, but I think smoking school. 04:57 all right. Sorry I brought. I tried this is this is this is for when my manager was later. You should you can see in earnest. I tried so anyway, what's the and don't think this week either, but if you do anyways, if you did that be cool. I cool. If you did, have you ever heard of the Hollywood Con Queen? 05:19 the what the Hollywood con Queen, I wrote you when you started that word. I heard the first part of that and my heart was like stop Hollywood con Queen, okay, Hollywood con Queen right it yeah. That's they serve a soft serve. It's like a dairy Queen, but it's the con Queen 05:49 Okay, yeah, you're close yeah right on your honestly Hollywood Con Queen, okay, why are you saying at the same time as me is that that's going to click something to my brain? I just like to say it's a fun. It's a fun phrase right all right, so the Hollywood Hollywood Con Queen yeah. Where should we start this story? Let's start it from I'll tell you about. Have you ever heard of freelance photography? Okay, yeah, is that who this person is? 06:14 Close. don't trust a lot of you know who I don't trust the most and I don't even know if these guys are still around because we're not in the age group anymore. Remember when we were twenty two and there was a bunch of these photographer dudes with long hair and they would exclusively take pictures of the hot girls. Yeah, you know and they'd be like oh yeah, I got modeling pictures with it's so sketchy to me. It's kind of like it's honestly it is the twenty tens equivalent of the two thousands like modeling contracts at the mall. 06:44 where the guys are like oh yeah, you should be a model. You want to do a model photo shoot? You know I'm talking about. Remember that did somebody offer you that at the mall when you were a kid? Is that what you're trying to say right now? Have you not? Have you not heard of that? That was like super common in two thousands big in like Missouri. No yeah, it was like you would go in the mall and it was always high school girls. These dudes would approach high school girls and be like be like hey, you should be a model, but it was weird because they would exclusively approach high school girls that were with their moms. I think I don't know if this is true. 07:12 but then they would like they would be like you should be a model and then they would ask their mom. They be like yeah. You think they could be a model and then they would get them to sign up, exploit that mother daughter relationship of like. Do you think your kids ugly and the mother has to be like no yeah, but my kid could absolutely she's beautiful. She could be a model right and so like then you back the mom into a corner where she can't say no yeah yeah. It's a whole tactic, not the same. I'm talking about these news who were like we were like twenty two twenty three 07:40 No, no, no, no, no, because they did the same thing. They did the same thing. They were for people weren't talking to their mom when then they could and then they could. I am they would take them to their little mall studio and then they would have a bunch of promo material and these dudes would take them out to a field and they would take a picture of it. That was two thousand. I also met them in the that was the south. No, no, no, no. They met him through Instagram. I'm talking about a serious that you're doing stupid little bit. This is a serious thing to shut up. Okay, I'm so mad. All right, 08:06 I really review about how I'm being mean to Tim, but at least acknowledge how annoying he is. You know saying I people like Jaren's really kind of a jerk to Tim lately. Do you even realize that what it is to deal with this person can't get a sentence out with him being like? Oh, you don't like the malls like with the moms, the moms, the malls like freaking let me talk brother. So anyway, I'm talking about I'm talking about dudes who are twenty three moms in the mom, mom, the the boss, the ball, you know the ball, 08:37 I tell the last fifteen seconds the dudes were there. They all looked the same yeah, yeah, and they would. I think their tactic was to get high school seniors who were just turned eighteen yeah take their senior pictures and then they would groom those girls through college yeah yeah. That was a weird thing that we all let happen yeah yeah, but yeah, because I remember that being like 09:01 I specifically remember it and I feel like you know exactly who I'm talking about in the Springfield area. Yeah, when we were twenty five and I was like you got to I remember us being like at a you weren't there. I was at a friend's house and that that specific guy was there yeah and I remember thinking in the corner. I was like you got to give up this game because now it's like now you're seven years older than them. Yeah, 09:26 Yeah, it's it's it's different. We were a different one same age yeah, but it's like dude, you're come on man yeah, because what are they paying him? That's what I'm saying. I don't think they were and I actually have it on good authority from a person that I'm married to from all mom for one of my mom. No, that it was like so that guy specifically, but also like this is what they would do is they would 09:55 to get him to do like a modeling shoot or whatever. So they take the cool pictures or whatever and they would like push them into doing like a like a a boudoir. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's like why would you suggest that that's very strange or like a summer bikini shoot yeah and you're like hey we should make like yeah that should be punishable by the law. You know yeah being sketchy like a freaking weirdo and really weird yeah it's that's so weird. It's strange anyway yeah 10:25 it's just something I think about a lot at the mom. Mom's guys never did that yeah. They were never they were in the ball yeah. It did kiss their mom, which was which was weird. That was weird. I'm not for her. I'm for with you. What you got going on, Darlene, you know, I'm about no 10:55 they went up and the mom was like don't flirt with my daughter and he was like I'm not flirting with her. I'm for you pretty lady and the mom was like this is a super weird. She's like what do you got you guys? Are you I she could be a I'm tracking you good. I know what you okay and let me tell you a story. So this guy this thought the freelance photographer, freelance for those that understand is where there's no employer. You're just your own boss and 11:24 Hey, can I finish? Yeah, finish the sentence. 11:30 that's where your own your own boss and you're your own marketing team and you go so you finish you go out there and you get the clients and that's the whole thing yeah and you pay a lot more taxes. Oh sorry, you pay a lot more taxes yeah. I was about to say that yeah you were. I sorry I sorry 12:00 So in Hollywood, lot of the entertainment, a lot of the like state hands, photographers, videographers, audio engineers, writers, they're all gig workers. So gig workers, what normally happens, especially in the entertainment industry, is they get hired on a contract and then they have to get themselves to the contract. 12:28 typically not always, but typically the terms of the agreement will be your reimburse for all travel expenses after the fact, but they still have to get themselves there in the first place. So they have a gig worker. So like when I get booked for a gig, I got to figure out my travel and stuff to get there and then I submit receipts and then that person pays my flights back to me exactly and so it's the same thing and so there was a story in twenty seventeen, a specific specific photographer. We don't have his name. He's anonymous, 12:57 okay. He works for anonymous. He got contracted for gig work, okay, specifically called by. Let me see if I can get a picture of of her real quick for you, so you can you can see who this was. This is you know who this is. No, this is Leslie Glader, Clatter Glader. She's a producer on homeland. 13:26 the walking dead, true blood, madman, NYPD, blue, you know, like a lot of a lot of tv. Like she's a big time tv producer. Sure. And so this guy he's living in Colorado Springs. He's a freelance photographer. He's he's done like some decent sized projects, but he's never like broken into like Hollywood, you know. Okay. So he gets a call from her and she says, hey, I'm working on a storyboard for a new project that I want to pitch to Netflix. Okay. And he, says, I need somebody 13:55 to go get some photos on site for the storyboard. I'd love to contract you for this work. And so she says, the locations that I need you to scout and take photos of are in Jakarta, Indonesia. And so she says, I need you to fly out there, take a bunch of photos. have a list, a shot list of everything I need you to go capture photo of. And so he has a phone conversation with her. She ends up sending a contract. 14:25 to him, emails a contract, gets this very official contract, fills out the contract, has probably six or seven phone calls with him prior to the date of travel. And so he books the flight, flies out to Jakarta, lands, gets the car to the hotel, gets to the hotel. Next day, goes out, starts capturing all the photos. She calls like six or seven times that day and then gives him all this new stuff to take. 14:53 changes starts changing in in Indonesia. So he's there in Jakarta starts changing the schedule on him saying okay. Hey, you need to actually go here, go to this different place and so she shifts the schedule around. He ends up being there for three or four days, capturing photos going all over the city and my plans are changing. He's getting picked up by different drivers and drivers are showing up and he is scheduling the drivers. Yeah, drivers are showing up yeah to pick him up and take him different places. 15:23 and every time a driver shows up, he's got to pay the driver because he's footing the bill. Remember and so he's putting the bill for all this stuff. He goes takes all these photos flies back to the states, gets back to color springs that night. He lands in color springs, lands back there, uploads all the footage, immediately gets a call from her and she says hey, we're going to have to reshoot a couple of these any chance you can hop back on a flight. You could go back tomorrow 15:53 and he's paying the fight. Yeah, he's he's putting the bill and he says and so when this happens, he says oh, I don't I don't know like I'm honestly I'm a little shy for cash like this was I spent a lot of what I had to get out there on this trip and she's like oh don't worry reimbursements coming like we will reimburse you and he's like he's like okay he's like he's like but like I mean I'm really just for cash. He's like don't worry reimbursements coming. We will cover it. I just need you to get back out there to reshoot these couple things and so 16:21 a little begrudgingly. He's a little annoyed, but he's like this is a huge opportunity. He's like this is a massive hollywood yeah. This is a massive hollywood this producer and she's using me to pitch something to netflix like she's got to pitch this new show to netflix and so she's like this is could be his big break and so he's like I need to I need to just go for it like it's so here's where it goes. It's not actually her. I get it right. I'm saying this is what should happen to those creepy dudes 16:50 is we should run up their credit card to have them do this. We should call him be like hey 16:59 jones having ideas. We're watching him have ideas in real time. Forget. said any of that 17:10 Just forget. I didn't say anything. You know, you didn't see that. What's that? Are you an investigator watching this three years of the future? No, you're not. Just gaslight them to the video. 17:26 So anyways, he flies back to Jakarta, captures these other photos. He gets a call while she's there while he's there and she says, hey, I want to make an adjustment. She's like, I actually want to get some shots in Bali and I would love to send you out to Bali to take the photos. You went to Indonesia, shoot man. 17:49 they ask for Indiana. I video, but the photo my God, wait, this is what Indianapolis looks like. don't know. I need Apple is look like this. Wow, I got a this stuff like this is really gonna be an apple right now. Wow, 18:13 I swear to the Indianapolis have all this water in the jungle. This is crazy. I love this place and so then she's like she's like you got to go to Bali a little bit of back and forth. Really, really difficult. He finally agrees, goes to airport and while he's waiting for his flight and has happened recently, I don't know if you remember this, the volcano in Bali erupts and so then his flight gets canceled. She's very upset. She calls him freaking out. You can't get any pictures of it. Yeah. 18:42 and so she's really upset. She's like she's like you got to figure out a way. She's a wait. Keep your not there yet. She had she had planned and she planned the volcano eruption to kill him, blow him up right. A local freelance photographer and that's what all canoed. That's what I'm saying man. The volcano was an inside job. She played the volcano. I was really a volcano. 19:10 this is sick. live in it, so he goes he she's trying to get him to Bali. She can't get him to Bali. He comes back to the states lands in Colorado Springs, yeah and then she calls almost immediately and it's like hey. I know that this is pretty inconvenient with the way the travels been the last couple days. You go right back, but she says, but I just got a meeting with Netflix tomorrow. I need you in Los Angeles tonight, so we can play in our pitch and she's like she's like. I didn't expect this to happen. She's like I need you in Los Angeles tonight. 19:39 and then tomorrow. Okay, to be real though, this does happen and it's really freaking annoying. I don't the rich people don't understand how anything works, so they're just like straight up. They just don't. They have no idea. They have no comprehension of what it means to book a flight and leave your house and get out like they're just like you be in l. Tonight yeah, because they're well, no jets and yeah exactly and they will just make it happen and you're like. What do you mean make it happen like we're going to book you on the spirit airlines? We're going to pay for the uber x to get you to the update and what will just begin you're like 20:09 this can't. We can't do this tomorrow. No, no, got to do it now right now, right right now, now, right, right, right. Yeah, so to be fair though, the other side of it is that so many of these producers and stuff have learned that if you don't do it now chance yeah is done and this is a multi million opportunity where it's just like oh if we can't lock it down tomorrow, then it's like you guys have time next week. Oh next week is yeah we're we're forgetting all about you next week. We're actually going up is yeah that's honestly what it feels like is that they're just like now it's got to happen tomorrow or we're going to 20:39 die like. yeah, yeah, we're all right. We put next week is a volcano actually a company wide retreat this weekend and we don't plan on coming back. We ain't going to be back. So what do you mean? You don't plan on coming back? Yeah, it's like a team building thing, team building thing. We hunt each other for sport. You can't you do what I mean. Look, if you think about it like what's a better way to pod the doll die together. You want you won't 21:10 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 21:37 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 21:54 So he goes at to L. A lands in Los Angeles yeah that night and in Los Angeles that night, he doesn't know why for kids or he does not nothing to live for in Colorado. He calls it he's like he's like hey, I'm in Los Angeles where we meet my wife would not let this happen and and she says oh I actually went to Los Angeles. 22:16 right Smith, Louisiana, La yeah, La yeah, that's what we call it down. We call it in Louisiana and the net like head for you to get Louisiana right off the Mississippi, right out the northern Louisiana, not even one of the cities Netflix HQ. Yeah, it's like Walmart. Why us Ruskin, Louisiana, Ruston, Ruston, Ruston, Rusty, rusted 22:43 so Franklin, Louisiana, there's a place there called the dirty donkey and incredible yeah. You remember that place right? I remember yeah yeah yeah it's one those places that they have a giant the giant burrito you and if you finish it you get a free t shirt. So I got two shirts that night and well you know it wasn't enough yeah yeah it wasn't enough yeah. They got a waffle house. have to work yeah 23:12 No, so he lands in Los Angeles, cause her and is like hey, where are we meeting? She says she goes you flew in to Lax. I'm not going to pick you up. He's like oh okay, you should have flown into Burbank. What are you doing? So he she he's like where are we meeting? Humor where we were we meeting for us and she says she says hey, I was just talking to my publicist and this is right around when the Harvey Weinstein thing is happening. 23:40 and I and she says I've been inappropriate with some people before he says it's probably best for me to lay low for a little while. Well, no, my pal Har she's like freaking. 23:54 close in the me to movement. What the heck? Well, she says she says I was talking about publicist and he thinks we should follow the Billy Graham rules. I can't pick you up from the airport because that would mean you know, a girl alone in the car. What doesn't look good could happen. We could kiss while I'm driving and that's good. I mean we probably wouldn't, but we could, but we could and you know what if we what if we kissed what if we kissed in the H V, you know 24:33 Sorry I get to work earlier, but I'm respecting the Billy Graham rule. Oh my I work early. I can't take the H. O. V. late because I respect my wife. I was taking the bus to work, but then it was me and the driver was a girl, so I had to get off punch her and throughout the bus. That is the Billy Graham rule. The Billy Graham rule is if it's me and a female driver, I'm allowed to grant theft auto that bus. 25:00 that's the rule them the rules, so he calls her and she says my public. I got to make a I got to make a valentine that says what if we kissed in the h o v lane that's really funny, so she says my publicist thinks that the optics of us in the hotel together. 25:24 oh she's like okay, okay, okay, she's like. I think my publicist thinks that the optics of us meeting in the hotel to I mean the number of meetings that just legitimately took place in a hotel room is one on one like what like I stay in hotels all the time. Yeah, I feel we like if you came to my home to not tonight with me, I would feel we were best friends. I would feel weird if you came to my hotel room yeah yeah right. I would 25:52 Well, I don't respect your boundaries. That's what I'm saying. I thought my counts and that's why you'd be outside is because you can't be trusted to respect the boundaries that I said. What you would your counselor say? I don't know. I said I told my counselor that you have really good boundaries. Yeah, don't talk to me. Don't talk about me to her. All right, that's about Tracy. See, said good bad. Yeah, she's going through a divorce right now. 26:22 okay, hold on, hold on, no one's next door, no one's next door right now. last time we were here, I don't know. You didn't know this. It's in the episode. Yeah, we made a lot of jokes about the counselor next door getting a divorce yeah, and then I ran into them in the hallway the other day and he was like yeah. 26:44 I told him what we do told me we have a comedy podcast. He's like he's like oh, is that why I heard all that stuff about the Boston Marathon, so he one hundred percent heard everything and I'm glad he was like yeah, but the Boston Marathon right not about my in you know marriage falling apart yeah. He's also getting divorce yeah. It was pretty sad, but I don't think he's getting a divorce. I don't know if that's true anyways. We could probably find out though we'll update you next week on the counselor next door. 27:13 do it like we do like one of those like those you know soap opera little thing next week on the counselor next door. Are they going to stay together? Who's to know I hope Robert does that we you know Roberts also freelance. That's the thing about having freelance is that they don't care as much as we do. 27:38 Well, yeah, if their salary it's like oh I and I I really my livelihood. If I don't do this perfect, that's what I'm saying, but if there so we need enough patreon supporters to get our employ our employees, our team to become employees yeah, so that we can lord over and that way we can end every email with comply comply. Hey Robert, I need this turned around by Tuesday. 28:06 please comply not even not even and then I don't if they don't do it. If you're gonna reach back out on Tuesday and be like hey Robert, just touching in about that thing that I said, please stop resisting please Jared and I final warning stop resisting. 28:30 You're going to get tased if you don't turn this in. 28:35 P S sorry about your divorce, because we still care about our team. Yeah, Robert's not married anymore. 28:49 so she cancels the meeting. like I don't want to do it and he's like as Netflix is still tomorrow. I'll see tomorrow. Let's just wing it. He's going to go to the Netflix headquarters yeah down on sunshine yeah and so morning comes around on sunshine. don't know if you guys know that I live in. I live in the city of angels city yeah we know so he goes up to the head quarter. He's waiting the parking lot for her 29:14 or I don't know parked. don't know. Is there a parking lot? Is there a garage parking lots? Yeah, that's why I said parking lot. My all of our cars hover. He's waiting in the hover ground and so he and then he parking lots. Tim, what do you think I live? Well, no, but I don't know if like because isn't Netflix headquarters like oh yeah in an area where there's not there's a parking garage under yeah. So I'm saying he's at the meter. He's a thing on the street, so he calls her and she's not answered and he's looking so 29:44 I'm gonna call her again. There's a homeless lady in the sidewalk. Her phone starts working and then he stops and it stops. He's like wait a minute and then he's like Leslie in she goes. We got the meats. You got the what? Hello, are you ready for this meeting? You're my last shot. 30:16 I've been eating nothing but come six weeks worried about the optics, but the optics of us being alone in a hotel room together. I'm worried about the optics of you sitting there that parking lot spot and me laying down on the sidewalk talking to you through the window drive away, roll your window all the way down. When you talk to me, I'm a person don't leave a crack. If you don't roll that with all the way down, I will break it comply. 30:44 stop resisting these dude, so he finally gets a hold of her yeah and she says bad news. Netflix bumped our meeting. It's not going to happen today next week. If you could just find a place to rent, I get you go apartment hunting today. 31:05 okay, so finally he breaks yeah and he's like he's like he's like you're not Leslie. Are you and she was yes, I yeah and so she gets really defensive. He's how a lot of people ended up in LA by the way yeah, they're just a leave a broke as they went oh and then now they're yeah now they're they can't leave so he cracks he accuses her. She doesn't break character or anything she continues like 31:31 yelling at him and being like, you're throwing away such an awesome opportunity. Like I believed in you and I gave so much of an opportunity. You're going to miss this. And so like he finally goes home when all is said and done. much did he spend on all this? He spent over $50,000 trying to pursue this opportunity. The weird thing about it though. Here's the thing. The reason he stayed anonymous is because that's kind of dumb. here's the thing that's a lot. Here's the thing that's weird though. 32:01 is throughout the whole process, the only money he gave to someone that wasn't an airline or a hotel or like Ubers was to those drivers in Jakarta and the total like between the all the trips, the total was only a couple thousand dollars and so he's like yeah, I spent like fifty thousand but throughout it is like the money is not going to this person with the exception of a very little bit to those drivers. That's what I'm saying. What do mean? Like that's what was in it for Leslie 32:29 yeah, that's then that's what I was saying the whole time. Like I don't understand what was in it for Leslie is that a couple years before that that man had approached her eighteen year old daughter and said I'd like to take your senior pictures and actually I've been thinking about the summer shoe. Could you send me a couple pictures of you in a bikini so I can see what that would look like and then Leslie was like I'm going to bankrupt this guy. Have you heard of the me to movement? Just a quick question. Have you heard of the me to movement? Oh you have. That's why we can't say no hotel room together, but also you should probably look into the me to move it all, so you get because it's coming for you brother. 32:59 because it's going to get you a freaking sketchy guy get you the me too. Move it's going to get yeah and this is a comedy podcast. I make a lot of jokes and none of this would play for a jury. I'll tell you that so this whole thing happens right. He goes home so that's what I was thinking is like she doesn't benefit from this yeah. He goes home, he's frustrated, he's very annoyed yeah unless she just likes the power yeah. 33:29 potentially, but he's still confused because it still does feel real like he looks back at it all and he's like well, like you said, a lot of this stuff is stuff that happens right. We're like they do reimburse you and they do start to kind of gaslight himself into being yeah and like the emails was from an email address that would make sense. Like it was her last name like productions dot com yeah and then like last name productions at gmail dot com gmail dot 33:58 No, it was actually like name productions dot com available, because I you know, I know we just rebranded as solar flare media, but last name productions is kind of neat. Let's find out the email was glader productions dot com sure and then the contract was like a super official contract and all the stuff that they were doing like he actually said that she had referenced other people he's worked with in the past. 34:28 and it was strange because she talked about them with details of like personality quirks like oh like they do this that you don't know from is so funny. They get ice in their drink and you're like yeah, that is weird. I guess pretty weird. They do that's a pretty not normal thing. I guess no, but like he was like he's like yeah personal personal course. You would only catch if you worked with this person and so he's like it was very strange that and so he's like he's like 34:58 she must have been actually her, but why was she sending me on this like goose chase and so he just kind of sits on this. He's really embarrassed about it doesn't really talk to anyone about it and then he sees a video on Instagram. Another freelance videographer tells her story about how what is this woman's name? Let me look another Hollywood producer center on this crazy Amy Pascal, which was the 35:27 co-chair of Sony Pictures, sent her to Jakarta and had her go on site and take a bunch of videos on site. And very similar story, like kept saying, we'll reimburse you, we'll cover this, like talk to her on the phone, had the contract, had actual email conversations, phone conversations. But this has got to be just a power thing. Yeah, but it never, never actually like came through. And so she puts this out, it goes viral on Instagram. And then he starts reading and realizing because this is like a 35:57 Hollywood videographer, a lot of our contacts were like, Hey, this happened to me too. And like all these people came forward and were like, yeah, this happened to me, but it wasn't Amy Pascal. It was, it was Kathleen Kennedy. It wasn't Kathleen Kennedy. was Sherry Lansing. And it was like all these different, like high power Hollywood women were sending them on these goose chases always in Jakarta. Um, and so it ended up coming about 40 people came forward. 36:26 Oh, it's a scammer group in jacar. Yeah, about forty people came forward and it was this woman was impersonating all these women from it's horribly. I'm setting that someone is behaving badly in your name. 36:48 So these are all like CEOs, chairs, presidents, producers, directors on major Hollywood productions, major Hollywood companies that would find these people Sherry Lansing, the former CEO of Paramount. What are you going to? I don't feel bad because she's probably responsible for the Paramount Plus app and whoever design that deserves their life. So 37:18 I have never in my life experienced something as bad as the Paramount Plus app. So all these people that came forward, they were all in the same same boat. They were freelance videographers, screen writers, actors. There was actors in there and they were all people who have been working in the industry. They have a port for a show spend on these, but they haven't got their quote unquote big break yet. It's all these people who are like right on the edge, on these on these on these cabs and in 37:47 Where is it Jakarta Jakarta? I mean the drivers they were we were paying the drivers and typically it was. 37:52 a few hundred bucks each time was like the pain. That's what I'm saying is those are those drivers running this scam ring just to get people over there and get a couple hundred bucks at a time. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that's why everyone's so confused is because the amount of effort that's getting put into this because for each of these, these are all half phone calls. There's dozens of phone calls a day that they're getting from these and there's these contracts they're writing. There's these fake emails. There's these fake websites that they're setting up to like look like these people. 38:20 and so yeah, that was the question. I was like this is so much effort for so little payoff. Why is this like what is happening here? Hello Thomas, my name is Jaron last name from last name productions and I'd like you to fly to Australia to meet with me. You got to pay for it. You got to pay for it. It will be worth it. 38:47 parentheses. Wait, that sounds weird. That's not how I made that. Please read this in a friendly way and not in a weird way way, dollar side, emoji, dollar set, mochi, dollars and emoji, smiley face with dollar sign on the tongue emoji, Colin P. 39:11 close parentheses, those parentheses, why this bump emoji yeah, that's a fist bump, not a punch, come up, resist, sign this pup emoji and that's a punch, not a fist, Jaron, last name, last name, production, I come yeah. These are the emails that these people are getting and 39:36 they're believing them and they're going to get a scan emails though. Like do you okay? So you know how when you get a scam email and it's riddled with spelling errors and all this stuff and we talked about this before on the problem, but you can talk about it again yeah just about how the reason that and people like oh how do people fall for that and I read it and I know obviously as a scam it's a yeah you didn't fall for it. Yeah, that's them weeding you out. Yeah, when you read that you go. Oh, that's dumb, so they know you won't fall for the next step. 40:04 if you read that and you go, this is legitimate, then they know you're at least a little dumb and will probably fall for the second step yeah. So that's that's that's what I'm saying is that like these people who do scams. This is a pretty elaborate thing for a very small payoff. That doesn't make any sense because people who do scams are actually kind of smart. They've got they are got a system figured out. They are. They know what they're doing yeah, so they Linda Glader. She goes and she contacts a New York like 40:33 private investigator firm called K two, which is so freaking cool. Should we? I wish we could be. How do you become a private investor? I would love to do that. I don't know. I don't want to well K two. Okay, how do you do that? I don't know. So K two all right bro K two. Let me, let me see. I want to show you who reaches out to K to Leslie Glater. So she she 41:01 so she's like she's like someone's impersonating me. It came back to her. She saw the story. It came back to her that she's being she is saying I'm the true victim here. Yes, me a person who's made a lot of money from the Hollywood industry and because remember it's horribly upset. I actually love that we're highlighting the women here and not the victims of the scam. You know I'm talking about like that's other victims to barely this. She's the president of Lucas. You think 41:30 you think she's like you know in her pool one day be like I can't believe someone's pretending to be me on the internet. It's destroying my mental health, whereas this guy in Colorado's what about the fifty thousand dollars in debt. He's got a wife and well used to have a wife and she paid fifty thousand dollars for the guys, the private investigators. She's out fifty thousand she probably paid a lot more than 41:55 that's and it matters. We got us to her freaking P. So yeah, I want to show you that this is the founder of K to this is the founder of K to like this is the founder. Oh, that's weird and then this is the guy who runs it. Now this is his son looking at these two people. I'm not going to tell you the names. Who do think they are David? This one 42:21 Armand. Oh okay, no, let me actually. So this is Jeremy. This is Jeremy. This is Jeremy Oh and that is the other one was his dad, Jules, okay, Jules, Jules is his name. Does that give you any better context of who I'm wondering because his dad is Jules very white. His dad looks like Dan Cathy from chick. You know saying like I Dan Cathy Truett Cathy, yeah, 42:50 I can see that and then Jeremy looks not like that guy. Well, here's Jeremy and his brother. 43:03 it's Nick Curl. These are the curl. This is the curl family to K to to roll yeah yeah. So this is Nick Curl's brother runs this private investigation firm in New York City now, so Nick Curl does his brother and goes as I need a favor because I need a favor because my Taman agent, you know, I keep sending people overseas. 43:31 and it's fake and it's not or how he sounds. Can you can you believe that this is Nick Kroll's dad? That is a make every time I look at the look up Nick Kroll's mom. Yeah, that's a good I saw say like there is look up Nick. This is another weird search Nick Corole. I'm hot question mark. 44:02 Oh, here we go. Okay, I'm going to be honest with you makes less sense really. Yeah, I see it and now I understand less. Did he have a spray tan? Is that what's happening? Did honestly must be Jeremy and Nick yeah. I mean Nick Nick looks very facial does facial features is Nick and his mom. I'm going to be honest. I don't know. That's not his mom freaking pull up. That's what it says. 44:32 here. I'll show you. I'll show you this is looks like this is from the same exact event that the picture with her brother was. I think that was his mom from when they were younger, like that was him and his mom in high school and this is him and his mom now yeah yeah she's like she looks like Armenian or something you know like yeah like yeah she's got very strong and Nick roll does to like the cheek and the nose. I'm pretty sure it is Jewish. I'm pretty sure is he I'm like ninety nine percent sure sure 45:02 but I'm saying like they have very pronounced features and it didn't look like the picture we saw of his dad looked like that. You know I'm saying yeah yeah yeah. I don't know yeah that's I agree. I agree anyways, so K to start this investigation to try to track down a person is at the same time the Hollywood reporter and investigative reporter at the Hollywood reporter. I'm still looking by the name of Scott Johnson here. 45:32 I've had a lot of pictures of his mom. Hey Nick Crow. If you see this, I found pictures of your mom. I just put those on the internet. Can you believe that here's a tick tock and I have no context for what this is, but the caption on this says Nick Crow mean to my mom? Oh interesting. 46:00 put that out there. So Scott Johnson, it's it's so hard when someone's misrepresenting your character. I would never be mean to someone's mom. That's Nick Kroll. Who's this guy? This is Scott Johnson. He's an investigative reporter for the Hollywood reporter. All right, go Joe. He puts out a cover article on this story called hunting the con Queen of Hollywood K, and so this woman who's ever whoever's impersonating all these women 46:29 gets dubbed the con queen of hollywood. This comes out and a ton more gig workers come forward in the ballpark of around four hundred people come forward to say this is happening to you yeah, and so now k two and scott johnson at the hollywood reporter both are now talking to a lot of people and compiling stories and learning more. I'd love to be a p I yeah and we look. Can we look about how to do that after this sure how to be I yeah okay? 46:58 do you have a license? That's a good question, because like if you're following someone around, what are they going to do? I'm a P I, I'm a lot of P and the I'm allowed to follow you on a P I I'm allowed to follow you of a P. 47:17 sir. What are you doing that long range photo lids? Nothing you you would make a good model. You know, hey, you're not a need senior pictures. Freaking so long. She's six hundred yards away. Let's do that thing. We're taking like ninety pictures with you. 47:47 sir, we shot taking photos of me with that really long range. What sir we are far away feet apart. We are right next to each other. I don't know. So it's in the face with it. It's such a long lens lens. How much did this lens cost you anyway? $50,000. 48:12 It's expensive to be a P. I. Amy Pascal told me to buy it. She called me. I listened to that woman from Lucasfilm. She said, here's the best P. I. Camera money can buy. 48:31 March 14th. This person is private investigator day. Did you know that happy pie day? 48:43 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. have a mailing list. that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes. We've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of Till and Topics. So if you want to keep learning stuff, even beyond the content of the episodes, that's a great place to do it. Also, we give updates on things that's happening in the Till and Verse. 49:10 I like that. I've never said till inverse before, but I'm sticking with it. If you want to know what's happening in the till inverse, that's the best place to do it. You can go to till and dot com. There's a link in the description or you can text till into six, six, eight, six, six. There's a lot of ways to sign up for the mailing list to make sure you keep up to date with everything that we've talked about and everything that's going on in the till inverse. But anyways, now back to this episode. 49:35 So Scott Johnson and K to go Joe start in a Joe, all these people that came forward thanks and they're slowly go by the way more and more people are coming forward and telling their story. Yeah, this is still happening. People are still getting calls from the ham in the middle of this right now. Yeah, well people don't realize it because it's so convincing and so people don't realize it until after it's all said and done and for years. 50:03 this happens in twenty eighteen. This article comes out and it wasn't until twenty twenty two when they found this person who was running. my gosh, so for years they're looking for. What do we know when like with all these stories are coming out like four or some people? Do we know what when the earliest one was yeah? So in twenty twenty two, that's what happens. The first person that happened to came forward and this guy, he actually worked in the film industry in Jakarta in Indonesia and he came forward and he was like hey, I know who this is because 50:32 this was I was the first one and the person who did it wasn't like all of them are happening on the phone now, but yeah, me was in person. It was in person and so I know who this person is. It was ninety eight. Well, it was like twenty fourteen and after this it all blew up because they met in person and so from that point forward they never met in person again and so the Hollywood con Queen is this person. 51:02 it's a man. This is a picture of him getting some tea. Okay, here's a picture of him getting tea a little differently. 51:12 Here's a picture of him getting D very differently. Go back to the last one. 51:22 because I didn't realize at first that he's floating in the room. Yeah, he's floating. He's not on something. Well, he is, but it's a yeah, it's photoshopped out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the next one. He's getting tea. Why is very differently? Were these his senior pictures and then here he is doing whatever this is 51:46 listening he's surrounded by a bunch of bakers that are like needing dough and then some of them are like dump and has all over his bread in his hands and they're dumping the ingredients for bread on him. So one person has flour that they're putting all over him. They're all wearing white. He's wearing a light pink shirt. What is why so what stock photo is this for? What would you use this for? So he is a man who lives at the time 52:15 in the United Kingdom and he sound like a lady. Well, he's a food influencer and so he's and they fell for that no, so he's a food influencer and he's traveling around the UK at this time. Okay, posting a food influencer, posting food videos, foodie on Instagram. He's got about fifty thousand followers and at that time with fifty thousand followers, you can make a decent living yeah and he's 52:39 he's going to all these restaurants all over the UK and it's very clear that he's like staying in hostels or something because he's in a different city for a couple weeks, trying all these different food, posting all this places and then in a new city and so he's all over the UK doing this. And so these are like food influencer photo shoots that he's doing here. And so he had like photo shoots for this. But okay, before he got into being a food influencer, before he moved to the United Kingdom, he lived in Jakarta, Indonesia, grew up there. 53:09 And he always had a passion for filmmaking. He loved movies and he wanted to be an actor, but he was never had an opportunity to get into the industry. In fact, he tried and he was not blacklisted, but he didn't get a shot. didn't go his way. And so he being a not bad actor, 53:38 lashed out and so the first thing he did was the first director that he tried to get an opportunity with in Indonesia. He did essentially this scheme to them and tried to drain him of a bunch of cash as almost pays was a reving passing him yeah, and I think he liked it just really liked it yeah and that's what I saying. It's a power thing, so then he went on to just continue doing it. 54:06 with a bunch of local people in Indonesia and then he moved to the United Kingdom and he was like well now that I'm here, maybe I could I'm running out of people there and he's like maybe I could find people in the states and get them over there running out of people in Indonesia. I've done this to enough people in the industry that now I'm running out, but listen to he's so good at impersonations. Okay, we are yeah listen to what he sounds like ready 54:35 don't understand what you're talking about another makeup artist in Southeast Asia and call the authorities because she's not safe. I don't understand. email. What we'd like to know is where's our money and why haven't you been in touch with us since she was out in Jakarta? When she called us and you'd have to give us a chance to speak as well. 54:54 pulled up. We contacted we had an appointment. She ran away from the hotel and she went to the airport without informing and we'd already gone halfway. Okay, it already sent an e and so here he's impersonating a way to play too much of a YouTube video that he use. This isn't a YouTube video and so this is a man. I don't know who he who he was impersonating here. They didn't put a note on this Robin Williams, the stuffer 55:24 the point I'm making. Hello is just Mrs. Daphia. He was very good at voicing women specifically, and he was really good at impersonating them to our people who knew of these people. Yeah, believe that they were talking to this person sure, and what he would do is he would set up these these websites and he would go on go daddy and get the domains, but he didn't want these to be traced to him and so 55:49 the FBI actually had like a list of accomplices that got roped into this because he met friends and acquaintances and he got them to purchase domains for hey. Would you buy it? Hey, it's good to meet you know it's been a really great time hanging out yeah. No, Is this the part I is this the party? I was just walking by or you guys laughing quick question. What if you buy pascal films dot com for me? 56:18 last name productions dot com yeah. You could get that for me and then just set up. I've got some here's some a record, but the benefit from this really is that he just feels power over people. So he had a group on the ground of drivers and it appears like they were making some money off of this in Jakarta yeah, but he it doesn't seem like he was making much. If he was they were sending it to him, but he really wasn't making much off this, especially living in the UK and the amount of work that it is yeah for the amount of work because he was 56:46 genuinely calling each of these people dozens of times a day and said making these contracts, setting up these websites, these fake emails, sending all these emails. He just loved doing it and so he would send all these people on these goose chases out of just kind of the joy of doing it for the love of the game, for the love of the game and so they discovered who he was, but it was they discover who he was. 57:13 it was that first guy. So that first guy came forward and was like I he did it to oh okay, and so I know who it is because he ended up meeting me in person and I was like he was yeah. I was like I know you and he's like hello. He's like just you don't sound like that. Yes, I do. Yes, I do who you're thinking of is not me sorry, sorry and so okay Scott Scott you your mom is very pretty. 57:42 You think she could be a model? 57:47 Are you familiar with Nick Crowell? Have you heard of him? His mom is so hot. 58:04 did you connect us this don't so now he goes okay, it's two thousand fourteen. He's trying to get into the industry because he's trying to meet Nick Kroll's mom right and then he thinks okay, how do I get Nick Kroll's mom as a engine? Well, I got a scam like four hundred some people and then K two would be investigated me and then by K two being investigating me, then I'll have a connection yeah to Nick Kroll's mom. Yeah, you're right and so 58:31 That's the whole game, the whole gig close. So the FBI does not have enough to actually, you know, Mrs. Crow, I would like to know her more. I would love to drive in the H O V. So the FBI doesn't have enough to The FBI doesn't have enough to indict him on this. All right. 59:01 so they're like refusing to pursue this. The FBI K two is like what are you kidding me? Like he's clearly committed a ton of crimes and they're like we don't really care enough about this. You guys are private investigators, we're public investigators. 59:17 And so Scott Johnson, the Hollywood reporter author, he kind of gets obsessed with the story. He starts writing a book about him, tries to get a hold of him, calls him multiple times, emails him multiple times. He's ignoring it. And one day he's a food influencer. And at this point it's kind of like the cats out of the bag. Everyone knows who he is and that he's doing this thing, but he's still putting in the food influence. And so he does an Instagram live interview. 59:44 it's taken down. It was, think, called pure eats. I think is what was called, but it's taken down sure and so he's does an instagram live interview and on that interview he's talking about his life and it seems like he's kind of full of it the whole time, but in the interview he says he says and life's great. Like I'm it is the middle of twenty twenty the height of the pandemic. I love it. This is my favorite thing in the whole world. Nothing, nothing could stop me. Sorry you guys are suffering, so he's he's on on camera with and standing in front of the windows 01:00:13 in his loft apartment. says, I'm on the 20th floor in London. I'm living my dream life and you can see the city behind him. And so Scott sees this and he's like, hold on, I bet I can find that. Yeah. And so he starts, he had a friend who grew up in the UK calls him and it's like, Hey, this is in London and his friends like this. Yeah. And his friend watches the video and he's like, Hey, not London. That's actually Manchester. 01:00:41 And he's like, I know exactly where it is. And so he was staying in. This is a thing in the UK. They're called a part hotels. Yeah. So what they are, they're like apartment hotel mix. They're like extended stay motels that we have here, but they're like upscale. And so it's like, can kind of a couple hundred bucks a night, stay there. And it's for people who like him travel around and don't have like a spot to land. Right. And so Scott says, I'm going to get a room. 01:01:10 And so he goes and he rents a room and he just sits in the lobby in the morning and waits for him to leave. And so finally follows him. Yeah, follows him, follows him into the city, loses him the first day, the second day actually approaches him. This guy's name is actually Harvey. Well, he goes by Harvey. His name is like Hargo Bing or something like that. It goes by Harvey. Yeah, after his hero. 01:01:36 Who? Is here a two-face? 01:01:46 Yeah, yeah, we'll go with that. So he goes, he follows him and he approaches him and then harvey's very taken aback, not excited about him and approaching him in public, but then pretty quickly lets his guard down and talks to him, just kind of chit chats with him on the side of the road for like thirty minutes and he's like, I don't want to talk here and he's like, he's like here, let's exchange information. We can talk later long story short, the next four years they talk on the phone like eight times a day. 01:02:15 and scott writes a whole book. don't want to be a P. I that what that is. You just become friends with a perp for four years pen pals. What do you mean he talks on the phone eight times a day? He just keeps calling him and he's like he's like hey, can you talk hey what's up yeah and he's like he said I'll tell you everything and so he tells him the whole story and the story he gets from him and also a story he corroborates because he ends up tracking down his family is that he was born into a relatively wealthy family 01:02:44 came Indonesia, but growing up, him and his dad, they loved movies and they watched movies together. He used to watch movies all the time. Oh, that was another thing he used to do. He used to make people watch movies and take notes and write essays on them. And so he would call as Amy Pascal. I got a great role on you role for you, but I need you to do a character analysis on saving private Ryan for me. And can you do that today? I want to read what you have to say about it. And then they would send it to him. Same day. He'd write back. He'd be like, OK, can you do the Matrix two now? 01:03:15 like people were watching like legit like three movies a day doing these character analysis. He would make people do like take taekwondo classes and he's like you got to learn taekwondo. was saying you know that would be that would be justice if someone did that to some of these sketchy photographers. So what happened was him? He loved movies. He wanted to make it into the film industry, had the dream of making it there, but 01:03:45 when he was in his or late adolescence, his parents passed away and his sisters sent him to or I haven't mentioned this yet. He was gay and his sister sent him to one of those pray the gay away camps and obviously didn't work because those aren't real and don't work and they're really bad yeah and so that was obviously like a very traumatic serious experience for him when it didn't work. They refused to share the inheritance with 01:04:15 And so obviously like a very traumatic experience. He tries to break into the Indonesia film world, doesn't make it traumatic experience for him. And so it's this combination of this lashing out for what happened to him with his family, what happened to him with his, his dream and crushing other people's dreams as a result, like making people think they've got their big break. 01:04:42 and then taking it away from them and also draining them of a lot of cash in the process. There is he's now since been indicted. And so there's there in the middle of the extradition process, the UK hasn't sent him back to the United States. He's been arrested in the UK. They haven't sent him back to the United States for his trial yet. He's facing three counts of wire fraud and five counts of 01:05:10 identity theft and two counts of conspiracy to commit wired fraud and the his his attorneys, their defense that they have for him that they've been public about yeah. The defense was he has history on a personality disorder, HPD, HPD, HPD, history on a personality disorder, which is I mean like any of these like this level of personality disorders. Sure it's it's kind of like a form of 01:05:40 psychopathy where it's like he is using the trauma he experienced a fee and he's and he's kind of taking it out on a lot of other people and so even though he has it though the prosecutions like yeah. I mean yeah, many people have mental disorders can't let them or mental conditions yeah and but if they punch someone they get charged with so it's still you still can't do that yeah. You still got to do that you still can't oh 01:06:09 Oh, when all is that, what do you say? Oh, would you put it that way? Sorry guys, but tell am X that you still owe the payments on that fifty thousand dollars all told dream all told there's there's somewhere over five hundred freelancers that he's done this to over the course of like eight years and they estimate that he's cost these people upwards of four million dollars, the majority of which he never saw. 01:06:34 because it was all flights and and cabs and taekwondo classes and just things that he never made them money on you to take some taekwondo you need to take taekwondo classes and then I'll put you in the big pictures. That's exactly what happened, so that's all it would conqueen could have. was never a gram rule didn't apply. They could have been together. I was just this milky. He was just a liar yeah. 01:07:04 Wow! What's he doing now then he's in jail waiting his trial. Oh, wait, you K or US yeah he's in the UK waiting for the UK, UK jails easy UK UK jail is like like a like a bus station compared to you know saying like a what kind of bus station I got a good bus station like a UK bus yeah yeah because United States bus stations are not we take the train for a birthday. You weren't there 01:07:32 but we took the train from a birthday. You weren't there, but we took the train from the where and where were you at? I don't so at the train. I was on the other train. There was a guy who was laying in train station and everyone was like that's a dead guy. was in Santa Barbara and we were all like crap. That guy's dead. Yeah, so we called the ambulance 01:08:00 because or the hearse. I don't know who you call. You call the ambulance to make sure he's dead. So truck yeah, it is a kid called dog, the bounty hunter. No ambulance shows up and this was sad is the santa barbara, but ambulance they show up and they know him because he's like a homeless guy. He was like you know, but he wasn't dead. They checked it a little thing in his leg and he went. I'm telling you that scared the heck out of me because he's the party. He looked super dead. 01:08:30 yikes yeah, that's crazy anyway. So anyway, he's in UK prison, which is not US prison. It's different US person is a different worse, but hey, if the United States has anything to do with it, he'll be, he'll be in one, be there yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah and then he'll use his phone calls to be like hey. What I need to do is I need you to take some tag on to classes and then also do you play the fiddle 01:09:02 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of things are one last night. If you liked it and you want more of it, we did an episode about Frank Abagnale. You remember that name from catch me if you can the movie with Leonardo DiCaprio and woody from Toy Story. So here's the thing though Frank Abagnale was like oh I you know I I became a pilot and I was a doctor and I did all this stuff and he scammed his way through all that stuff and that was 01:09:28 The whole movie is how he is a lifelong scammer, but it turns out there's one more scam that we uncovered with the episode and you're going to want to check that out. So if you haven't watched it or listen to it, it's linked somewhere around here. If you want next week's episode right now, you good for you, you can get it. If you just join us on Patreon, 01:09:45 that's a way to help support the show. If you go to till and dot com slash join, you can join our membership program and and it's really fun. We love that and then you get next week's episode and you get all of the stuff ad free, so you don't have to listen to dominoes for one. I know you don't got to listen to that stuff anymore, anyway, we'll see you next week. I people don't listen to this, but someone skipped out of the video. You know that's right. That's right. So hey, wait, none of this is real. We're scamming 01:10:14 Hey, but this is an evergreen podcast. Oh yeah, legally we had to put that in here somewhere. It's an evergreen podcast. You don't know. Let's check out evergreen podcast dot com for more information on all their shows. It's great. Wait bye. 01:10:31 Can you do like the 80s? Like... Freeze frame us? Yeah. 01:10:41 And then I can zoom in like... You know what I'm saying?

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, you know how all the McDonald's and Burger Kings and Pizza Hut's all look the same now and everything is just modified so it never is identifying as what it used to be. That might be this guy's fault. It's definitely this guy's fault. He made everything just do similar. How do you say his name? Oh, like a busier like a bus like this guy's architect who basically you know, design some stuff that made it to where we ended up in this very 00:28 I don't know. We just recorded. I couldn't explain it to you at all. He designed some stuff that made it so that we could mass that were sad stuff so that everything essentially when you look at like the buildings from like the you know Chernobyl or soviet union or you know that kind of like just gray brick buildings and stuff that makes you go. There's no personality in this building. This is the architect that kind of pioneered that style. It's his personality in that building. 00:56 yeah, so we learn all about Charles. Whatever is he like a bestia a cobercie is what he goes by. I call him Charles because building sucked today's April twenty ninth. Hey, this weekend I am in Lincoln, Illinois. If you know where that is, please tell me so I can figure out how to get there, but it's a show and we're doing it. So you should go to that 01:21 and then and then next month, not next month, next month, April, but the month after no is table. next month is May next month. June I am on the church comedy tour. Would love to see you there. Go to my website, jaron Myers dot com slash shows. Please come to these shows. 01:40 Hey man. What's up? Have you ever heard of Le Corbecier? Le Corbecier? Le Corbeier? He's just pronounced Colbert. Colbert? Like the report? Colbertier report? The Colbertier report? Stephen Colbert. Yeah, he's got the Colbert report. Yeah. No, it's Le Corbeier. Here, I'll show you a picture of him. This picture was taken last week. 02:10 Okay, he's got a long pipe. Guess where he's from France. That's a good guess. Yeah, he's definitely got the glasses. He looks like he made nukes in forty five true. That's what he looks like. Yeah, and here's the thing too. He's wearing a bow tie, but this is like bow tie era. You know, this is when it's like Orville Red and Bacher time. Yeah, this is when you could wear a bow tie and it wasn't like 02:39 You know, yeah, when you see someone on a bow tie now you go, oh yeah, kind of okay, don't you? Yeah, I think you know what I think ruin bow ties ventriloquist dummies. I think that's what really took him out of style. You know what I'm Like because you see like there's just something about bow ties where like the people who wear them, they all act the same. Yeah, it's also a young Sheldon thing too. Like it's like a yeah, it's a little, it's a little 03:09 like a bear, a cober, C, a lay cober, C, Carlson, where's both eyes that live? Yeah, yeah. His birth name is actually Charles Edward Jenner at he's a Swiss guy, but he goes by like a Bessie, because he needed it. It's cooler. It is cooler. It is cooler. And for a guy who looks like this, you can't just be known as Charles, which honestly Charles fits to yeah. 03:36 like a Bessier, it fits a little bit better right. It hits a little harder. He's known for doing stuff like this. Is he an architect? Yeah, he will become an architect one day. What? He did become an architect. Did he did he design this building? No, yes, he did. He did design this. This is why you doing weird stuff man. 04:03 okay. even think I just pulled up some random building. It was like yeah. Look at this. No, you're I just like do this. I was always an architect and you're like yeah. He did that sometimes okay, now so commercial a lake, a mercy a he was born in. You don't gotta try to be funny. You know that right. I'll do. I'll handle it. If you want to like 04:25 I'll do the tell the story. We'll get to some funny parts, but you know, try to force. I'm not trying to force anything. I'm just I'm telling Joe just like you're like you're yeah, but your jokes are no like it's like we're doing bits, but your bits are was an architect. Maybe and you're you're going listen back later and be like 04:49 got him. He was an architect the whole time. Yeah, it wasn't a maybe it was a yes. What do want me to do? You want me to do crowd work and set for living? So what's your deal? What do you do? How has been together? Her man? Wow, what's the biggest fight you guys have had? 05:09 Wow! Have you ever tried a clip for social? Have ever tried that one with the biggest? No, I'm going to that's good try. That's a good good. The fight you all ever had over some don't honestly, it'd be a pretty good clip. If you can get a cut, break guys have been having for twenty years. You know saying yeah, what's the fight you're in right now fight you and your wife have been in for a couple of years. Oh, I've been dying to tell someone about this. I'm ask me, ask me what I do. What do you do? What may do 05:39 See that's a that's a joke. you a dark? Yeah, it was the same joke. I I said was no, I said no as a joke and you said no as a joke and now because you got this yellow shirt. It's funny. Keep going with the stuff. I was going with this stuff. You interrupted me to talk about me being funny or so. They cruciate a bob eyes or whatever you say his name. 06:04 Le Corbertsier. Le Corbertsier. Le Corbertsier. All right, what's he doing? He's designing stuff. Yes, yes. So he was born in Switzerland. 06:20 I was I was going to say he's so he's Swiss. I yeah he was born in Switzerland in eighteen eighty seven and he you're eighteen eighty seven and he his family is was. Let's be honest a little pretentious. Sure his mother was a piano teacher, which here's one thing you got to know about piano teachers. Have you had? Have you had any experiences with piano teachers? Mom is one 06:46 Yeah. What was your experience like? What's your experience was like with? What do you got? What do you got to say about piano teachers? just I've probably told this story on the podcast before, but this is this is the archetype of piano teachers in my brain at Evangel. I minored in music for a semester sure and then I switched. I switched to psychology after this experience because it was so negative. I was like I was like this was so bad. I need to learn about what's wrong with my brain and so it's just a psychology. Sure 07:16 So I had a piano teacher, I was learning piano and there was one day where I was pretty sick and so I emailed her before the class. It's a one on one lesson was the class. It was that old lady. know who you're talking about. well, I guess she's no, sir. But yeah, and so I emailed her and I was like, I was like, hey, I'm really sick. I was like, I'm really sick. Here's the deal. I'm really sick. I was like, I will come if you want me to come, but I just want you to know. 07:46 I'm very sick today and she responded. You live in Scott Hall. You can't walk twenty steps over here. You wank punk, little close. She one on each state attitude, have a loser, Missouri state attitude, and so I gave and I'm and you got her sick. I am dying. I'm she died. 08:08 I am literally pouring. killed that lady. nose is like literally dripping, like actually dripping. That's how sick I was. And so I come in there, I'm playing the piece that I had been practicing and my nose. It was ode to joy. It was hot cross. And she's sitting there on the bench next to me while I'm doing my thing and my nose is pouring and she gets up and. 08:37 Wipe your nose for you. She just holds it in her hand. It's so gracious. No, she gets up, she walks over to her desk and I'm still playing and she doesn't say anything. She doesn't say a whole lot. Like I'm still playing. I'm like looking over my shoulder and what is she doing? She grabs a box of tissues. She slams it down on the keys. It's gong and she says to me, fix yourself. And I was like, I told you, I tried to prevent this. I tried to stop this from happening. And so then I said, actually, 09:07 I kind of want to do psychology instead. I said I kind of want to talk about this for the next ten years in counseling. Let's look at her perspective right. Let's just let's just run it out from what she saw because she has to work with college students every day. College students are pretty bad. They email like on sick and she's like shut up. Just come to the lesson. Yeah right. So she says just come to the lesson. This scrawny pasty freshman first walks it. 09:36 maybe a little scrawny, but not pasty sure when you're sick. I mean yeah, if you're sick, you're pasty. guess yeah, that's fair. You're walking in and so she gets to work. I walk in in my topic, kitty, she's driven down nose and stone. She's so mad, but she's driven like devil, Springfield traffic. She got to the school. It's like a cold day outside, you know, 10:03 she gets in there. She like warms up on the piano. She's done on a na na na na na na na na na na song plays on this and that's right. It does it this this be. know how to play this. Yeah, does it? That's great and then she responds your emotions that come to class. You come in snot covered male pattern baldness shaved and clearly shaved like you had here the day before and now you yeah. was there yesterday 10:46 like you get her you messed up, you messed up hot and then so she just goes 10:54 grabs the tissues hits the note you were supposed to 11:04 and says fix yourself. You had the opportunity to take the wise words of council and go. I should fix my and instead you said you hurt my feelings. They are trying to change me. I'm perfect as I am 11:27 and you switch to psychology and do we become friends in the second semester? I guess then or did you have to take psych? No, I had to take a yeah. There was a like a that first gen ed course that I met yeah now and then and then yeah and then I villainized piano teachers from that point forward. They're all that my mom was also that my mom would have done the same thing. So I'll be honest with you. Yes, so here's the thing about piano dude is that every kid doesn't want to learn it 11:57 Yeah, it's one of those it's one. definitely is one of those instruments where it's like like a lot of instruments you can kind of pick up and like after a little bit you can pick up and you can start to dill around and play something pretty decent, but piano it's like you're playing really dumb songs for a long time, a long time before you scales for a long, time. Yeah, but then that's the thing is that once you're good at it pretty good at it. Yeah, you can do some cool stuff. It's really cool. Yeah, but it takes a while. It takes a long time and I'm still in that long time. 12:27 because I've never fixed myself. And that's the message, you know? Fix yourself. Otherwise you end up co-hosting a dying podcast. 12:40 check out our paint job. Look how good it is. Tim did the paint job. I did the paint. Look, it's good. Isn't it? He thought it'd be fun to leave a texture. I thought it'd be fun if we didn't finish anyway, so like a bear, a lake, a bear, a so his mom was a piano teacher. Okay, very rude. We don't know that for sure, but she was a piano teacher. His father was I don't I don't even an artist, an artisan. He enameled boxes and watches. He didn't make them. He enameled them. 13:09 Okay, which yeah. So he just made boxes and watches worse. I guess I don't know or covered. You know, I don't know made him shiny yeah and then his brother was an amateur violinist, which it's interesting that the Wikipedia page has amateur violinist, but they treated his brother Albert like he was a star. He Albert yeah because you got to remember to this is eighty seven violin. 13:38 pretty hot was the electric guitar. Yeah, it was sick yeah kids out there in the streets going and all the kids with their no shoes or dancing around throwing the vipers kids of the violin sitting outside a target playing along to a track. You know, if you ever see one of these people outside a target, Ross, that's where they hang out. Have them ask them to play something without the track. Yeah, just ask them big one. I'm I something without that. Yeah, they're in your what 14:07 they're at my Sam's Club. Yeah, yeah, you know what they do. You know what they do at my Sam's Club. I'm not even exaggerating. They play by they're in the planters and they play by a bush and I'm not even kidding. They put the speaker in the bush so you can't see the speaker, but like I saw them in the winter, but like the bush isn't bushy right now, but they have the speakers in the bush, but they have the backing tracks with it though. They're not just it's not just violent. I mean, I think they're trying to make it look like it's all them yeah. 14:34 because they're hiding this. I'm saying they're playing with a like it, not like they're playing with music in the background. Usually yeah yeah yeah they're like they're like playing a popular song with the karaoke version yeah right yeah yeah yeah yeah but they're not actually playing either yeah because it's yeah because it's a scam it's called lip sinking yes but if it's a violin it's called string sinking yes there you go 15:01 Yeah, it's a it's an art. You know, it still takes skill. You still have to be talented to do it right. Remember? Never mind. So like a bestie, he is kind of flowing through life trying to figure out what he's interested in. Brothers got his violin stuff figured out. Yeah, his brother, his brother is so cool, just so and his brother, his brother got into like what's the word for this? His brother got into 15:31 Elvis impersonations. Okay, his brother was cool as the boy, the brother was really, really cool and figure out what to do this life yeah and so at the age of fifteen he goes to like an art school okay and he starts learning a little bit about the arts and while he's there he learns about architecture and he thinks it's so dumb he and like genuinely building buildings yeah yeah he does not get like the art side of 16:00 Like they're acting like it's art, but he's like, this is not art. This is, this is building stuff. And he's like, and he doesn't get the art side of it, but he tries, he tries to now it is now architecture is dumb. Why do say that? Some of it's cool. Why, why do you say that? Cause I mean, look at what we're building now. America was supposed to be beautiful. Yeah. And instead we have flash cube. 16:30 You know I'm saying I mean yeah, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I will I yeah, I don't know. I have mixed feelings about that. What like a flash cube? Okay, like I think that they have their place sure. I don't think everything should look like that obviously yeah, but I'm saying like the way that Wendy's and McDonald's are built now. Yeah, they look terrible. So he he then had an architecture teacher 16:58 okay or no. He had an art teacher and his art teacher. He described him later in life as a man from the woods yeah, and so he taught him about like that one youth volunteer. You've got you know talking about every youth group has one volunteer who's just like a man from the a couple of years. He's just like that guy was like he's got a crazy testimony yeah yeah crazy test for real and so he like that when I was growing up and right my church she always had a story. Did she be like yeah? That was when I was 17:28 I was living on a ship. We were saving whales and you're like what they were true stories. Yeah, are you serious? Yeah, are you sure? Yeah, I don't know verified. She had like a because it was about her jacket. It was her jacket for that team that was saving whales. Yeah, I mean I had stuff I lied about too. Okay, I talked about that on this podcast by my dog tags, my stolen 17:57 that stuff I lied about to you know, like my dog tags what I don't think so. I should I had a you have an office. It's It's It's fine. It's probably better at this point to tell the whole story that deleted at my stolen. Okay, now I would. I went to one of those like wild at heart things yeah and they gave it wasn't wild at heart. It was at evangel. It was the cave time 18:27 Yeah, it was a guy that kids dad, yeah, freaking Voss. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, they gave out dog tags and the dog tags. They had like prayers on them and so it's like you're supposed to take your dog tags and say the prayers every day and so I was in that world and so I wore them after going to that and I wore them around for a while and I was at at North Point and I volunteered at North Point. I I served with students 18:56 and a guy saw my dog tags that I didn't know on a Sunday morning and was like hey, you surf. I was like yeah and he was like oh and he said which branch and I was like as a weird way to ask that and I was like students and then he just looked at me like with these weird squinty eyes and then just walked away just like that. It's just like I see what happened. Okay, here's the thing about like the mids conference stuff like that. 19:25 I as a as a Christian man, I don't need to tame the lion within you know. I don't need to save my wife, the damsel or protect my kids, the legacy. You know, I don't I you know what I need. I more curriculum on how to be a normal freaking person. That's right. I see some curriculum on how to how to actually like we're not all alcoholics. 19:47 honestly dude yeah honestly yeah so much of the men's conference stuff is like team the line within and freaking you have these animalistic desires and you're like yeah yeah you guys are freaking weird dude. I don't need to play cornhole with raw steaks to feel like 20:10 you put these gloves on secret, throw this staker a little black was like that's so weird like for you. Oh yeah, we're gonna we're gonna. We have monster trucks, dude, shut up yeah yeah. You know you don't have a healthy relationship with your spouse. You don't have respect for your wife. Come on me 20:29 Yep, Tim gets really uncomfortable at this. These men's events man's we only Dante Hall to show up and sign pictures from when he was in the chiefs in two thousand three. I need a pastor to look at me and go. You know what? It's okay like yeah, the world's crazy and like it's not your job as the man to figure everything out before everything bad happens. Your job as a man is to show up and be present for your family. 20:52 and learning how to do that and have healthy relationships and vulnerable connections with people around you. It's okay to be vulnerable and it's okay to have feelings and it's also important to cook a really good steak blow stuff up also in so strong rush your enemies and force them to comply yeah comply comply comply comply. So he said he that's what every morning I look at my demons in the mirror and I say comply comply 21:24 in the name of Jesus comply. Okay, so yes, my dog tags, I'm glad I serve. I do serve. 21:40 Which branch the Lord's army? 21:50 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 22:17 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 22:34 So he's doing the art stuff. He's painting paintings and he said that he lived on the mountaintop. He was so accustomed to standing on top of the mountains and painting the scenes. Yeah, you're talking about his mentor who or his one of the teachers. Yeah, so you're talking about yeah, he had a teacher who was the mayor of the woods and they would stand on mountaintops and they would paint paint pictures and for some reason I don't gonna be honest. I don't know how this happened, but here's a here's a direct quote from him looking back to his childhood and he says I had a horror 23:03 for architecture and architects architects. He says I was sixteen or a horror. He was terrified of him and he said I was sixteen. Some of you were afraid of clowns 23:16 Oh no, it's just a haunted house where someone pops out and they go. What if the stairs came down on the south side of the building? We should put a trust here. What if we knocked out this wall and created an open floor plan and then he continues his torture is him strapped to a chair being forced to watch HGTV eyes, tape, as torture for most of us. 23:45 so no torture for me is having to watch andy Elliott videos. You know what actually you know what the is not that bad. You know who's worse is the people like that are below him in this pyramid scam that because it's a pyramid scheme yeah, but people below him who are just like oh yeah, I'm gonna sell. I'm selling people on coaching with the andy Elliott yeah and they all use those little red and white captions on their videos yeah and then there's like you're a punk. If you don't do this, you gotta wake up at two thirty in the morning. You know 24:13 That would be torture for me if I have to watch that stuff. Did you see that reel this week that went viral of him, of him saying, if you don't make at least $100,000 a week, what's wrong with you? I think it's a month, $100,000 a month. If you're not making at least $100,000 a month, what's wrong with you? And then it cuts, hard cuts to him flying coach. And he's like sitting down, coach, like taking his seat. And it's like, 24:38 What's wrong with you? What's wrong with it? So the quote I had a horror of architecture and architects continues. I was sixteen and so scared of them. I accepted the verdict and I obeyed and I moved into architecture. I don't know why yeah, I afraid of them and then all of a sudden he's like I have to be one well. I'll tell you what happened. He went to an architecture like camp right yeah. Thursday night they were like hey, if you feel called to become an architect, come forward. 25:08 and actually we're not going to leave until someone does yeah and actually you know last night we all spoke in tongue and groove today. We're going to get our call tonight. We're going to speak in brick and mortar and someone's got to come forward. So it's going to have to come for. Are you going to build yeah yeah this next generation? Are you going to sit idly by a bill on the mount taker 25:37 so he at the age of sixteen he says I'm going to go on tour and so he goes on tour any track. Yeah, he goes on tour, travels around Europe and I'm not exaggerating. He goes on tour to look at all the buildings everywhere and he says this is how this is how on tour. Why did you call it tour? That's what he calls it. 26:00 yeah, but it's the same thing where like they're like all right. I'm going to go to holiday and he goes on holiday, which means he made this whole thing a holiday. You're like they called it. They called it the voyage of initiation, 1907 to 1911. This is a four year voyage of initiation. How did he was not traditionally in America? We just call that community college. We just call it your weird backpacking face. We just call it double a baseball. 26:29 So he goes and he travels this whole tour around. What is this southeastern? just call it James River Leadership and I'm not exaggerating what I say. He did not have a mentor. He did not have a teacher. He had no one with him. He went around by himself and just looked at all the buildings he saw and he's like that's one of them and then he would step to the next one kind of like you would at an art studio and an art gallery. He would just look at it 26:53 But that's what I'm saying is that the art he's looking at he's looking at good architecture. I mean it's true yeah he's looking at great. What's the style that America was supposed to be art deco kind of thing like our deco was like the forties and like they're really like yeah. What were we supposed to be before that? No, no, no, you know like all those drawings of a tartarian stop. No, I'm saying like when when trains were supposed to look like you know like the 27:18 one from wicked, you know, like that like and that whatever what those was our style called. You know I'm saying yeah, it was like American Gothic or something like that, like something futurism retrofuturism is what we call it now. I don't know what they call it. Yeah, but like there was like a term that it was like this is what America was supposed to be. Yeah. And then we realized how expensive it was to build those buildings and they would last too long. So then we just started building crappier buildings that are easier to knock down when the vacancies come point in. Yeah, yeah, that's accurate. Yeah. 27:48 I don't know what that style was, that, yeah. So he's going through and he's seeing all these historic buildings. This is 1911, right? So these are all these historic, like beautiful ornate design ornate architecture from all throughout history, all these different eras of architecture, different styles of architecture, especially this region he's traveling through. Like, sure, this is like 28:11 Italy, like southern Europe and then even like Greece and then where is this peeking into Turkey like he's seeing a whole lot of this really yeah. I know this. What are you talking about? I just listed like half the countries in the map that he went through. What are you talking about? And so you see in all these very significant locations throughout history was very significant architecture. Then it comes home that's back to us. What's that was the Great Lakes? 28:40 how freaking funny, how funny would it's like of the o's and I'm like yeah, he's going to Italy, all these places and it's funny now he comes home and he says all right now I can finally earn the respect of my piano teacher mother and so he says I'm going to build her a home. This is a big Freudian thing, so yeah, look at the guy, look at the guy, look at the guy, he built to that house, so he built her a house, he built her a house and this that wasn't it. This is a house 29:10 He builds her this house. Yeah, beautiful. mean it's nice. It looks fine. It's nice. This is the first thing he does. He builds his house. It's nice. Here's the thing you need to remember though about this. This is 1912 and so this is a giant house in 1912. He builds his house, his mom sees it and she is immediately like this is a monstrosity. What she's like this is way too big. 29:39 and she's like we don't need this much space. This is absurd. This is too much and so he's a little sad. She's knock it down, tear it down, fix yourself. Where did he get the money to do that? I don't know. It's 1912. Everyone had money. You know, here's the thing. Here's the thing. How did he have the money to do this like his family? His dad puts enamel on watches. His mom teaches piano. Where did he get in money to do any of this? It was cheap to be alive back then. You know, you could do whatever you want. Okay, sure. 30:08 and so he builds her this house and I mean I guess I'm going to contradict myself here real quick because they move in. They live there for a few years but they can't afford it and they end up having to move out and so this actually does financially ruin his family. The decision to live in this if Tim would just read the next sentence in his notes before he chastises me he was yeah. You idiot is just fine to live in a so we have to money to any of it. Okay, so turns out they have any of the money 30:37 It's literally the next thing in your notes. Well, okay, first of they did have money. Go ahead. So anyways, he builds this house, his family's not super grateful. Right. And so then he was like, you know what? Fine. I look around this town and it's too small for me. This little Swiss town, these people are not ready for what I have for them. I see the homes that they're building and they're lame. They don't have an architect. They don't have room for an architect like myself. 31:06 He's built one building and he's like, he's like visionary, such as myself. Yeah. He's like, I need to be where the architects are. And so he moves to Paris. I want to be where the architects are. I want to be where they're putting things together. 31:28 I wanna be with that. What do you call it? 31:33 Drafting tables. So I dated a girl who was an architecture major. Architect major. Yeah. Whatever. Architecture major. And their desk, we to go get a door from Home Depot. This is not a joke. Don't laugh at this. We didn't get a door from Home Depot. The first thing they have you do in architecture school is build your desk. This is so serious. Yeah. Yeah. They make you build your desk out of a door. 32:03 And that's what you work on. And then you just spend 14 hours a day with the same five people in that room. Architecture is really interesting because it does feel like when you're studying, they make you build a lot of stuff, but like small. But like small? Sure. But like when you actually do the job, like you're just drawing pictures. Yeah. Like why did I do all that building if I'm just going to draw? I mean, I they do bottles and stuff too. to draw this. What is this, a facility for hands? Yeah. 32:32 So he moves to Paris and he's like, he's going to be around all the architects. I'm going to, I need to be where the professionals are, but like he's, he's built one building, so he doesn't get any opportunities doing any building, but he does somehow get a job at like a school. And so he does like theoretical stuff. And so he's thinking about architecture a lot and he's like writing papers about architecture and how to do different designs, but he's not actually getting to actually build anything, do any actual designs. 33:02 And around the same time, something very interesting happens. And that interesting thing, there's an interesting innovation. There's actually a lot of things happen. This is like the tail end of the industrial revolution. The world's vastly changing very quickly. And one of the big things is reinforced concrete. And so with reinforced concrete, always, I shouldn't say we always had concrete. Concrete dates back to like the Roman Empire. had concrete. But reinforced concrete where they put steel rebar through. 33:29 you now can do more interesting things with concrete. You kind of shape it a little bit. You couldn't do that before. It was really just like a block and you had to or arches and stuff like that. Right now you kind of had opportunity to do some more interesting things and so he started kind of theorizing what can we do with concrete now that we couldn't do before sure and so he puts out like an article for a theoretical home called the Domino House and the Domino House puts him on the map. 33:56 and he becomes like a famous architect yeah, but remember he still only built that one house like he hasn't he's just a theoretical architect, a retic or he hasn't actually built these things. So this is the Domino House. This is the house that all the architects in the world were like holy crap. They saw this at that third word for word what they said. Ready? You ready to see this the Domino House? Oh my gosh, this guy invented 34:26 Parking garages. 34:30 it's a listening. If you're listening, it looks like a parking garage. It's a slap and then six little twigs holding up another slot and then six little twigs holding up another slot and there's no walls. There's no windows. There's no doors. There's a couple staircases and that's it is just a big old opening with some ceilings and floors, okay, the pillars and they were like oh my good golly. He took buildings and he took the building away 35:00 and it here's what it looks like with the breaks underneath it. It looks like it had tires at one point, but then they got robbed like it's just sitting on cinder blocks. It's so okay. The reason why this was revolutionary right is up until this point, like the support beams weren't a thing. Your walls were all load bearing and so to build a structure, you had to strategically plan your rooms and your walls to hold up the structure, but now all of a sudden, because they now can do support beams, 35:29 you can hold up multiple floors with just six pillars and you don't need any walls at all. And so this blew everyone's mind that they're like, holy crap, we don't need walls anymore. Obviously a little facetious because like we still would probably put walls on this building. Yeah, but this is like the skeleton. Yeah, but the idea is we don't need them anymore. Yeah. And so he paves the way for prefab homes and he starts becoming this evangelist of, we don't need 35:56 or he becomes his evangelist of that. You could basically build a skeleton and then let people make their own floor plan inside kind of, but more than that he is looking to like forward in the model T. He's a huge fan of Ford and he's like the they can build guy invented mobile home. They know they can build cars really. I'm an revolutionary architect who invented trailer parks. He's like he's like the modern world is 36:23 is industrialized. Everyone can build with such efficiency and they can turn out all these vehicles so quickly at Ford, but homes, you still have your local brick maker, your local artisan who's who does what his family taught him. need it to be industrialized so we can capitalize on it and make the most money possible. Yeah. His point is like this needs to be more efficient and he's like, he's like, we have to make architecture. 36:47 efficient. We have to make construction more efficient. That's what I'm talking about. When I say like the McDonald's and the like even the Panda Express, we're go to Panda after this right. Yeah, it's designed. The building is designed so that went like because you can always tell when you drive past an old backyard burgers, yeah, or you drive past an old Burger King with the play place. Yeah, all that or the pizza huts, the most famous one right like you can see like oh that used to be a pizza hut. Yeah, the way there's the building was shaped. It's like literally their logo is the roof. Yep, yep, but now 37:16 They build things so that when they leave that building it had early any fast food restaurant can move in and that which should kill your soul that which that's one of those things was like oh that's smart business. I see why they do that but it should in your body trigger some kind of oh no one plans on investing in my community long term. Yeah one plans on nothing matters and nothing is real and nothing's going to be here longer than me. Yeah that should hurt you. Yeah. 37:44 Well, that's the thing we know. When you walk into this building, you look out from the front and you're like, oh, this used to be a Best Buy. Because like that, and that's what I think everyone's trying to get away from is because inevitably in the world we live in, Best Buy is not going to be here forever. Circuit City is going to go under. so will Best Buy. And so building to suit that specific brand is not a good model. 38:14 I agree with your point. I agree with your point sure, but what I'm saying culture we live in, it doesn't make sense right because not as further you're on second eight right now we're going to second twelve of thought. Okay, is that it is easier, more profitable and makes more sense to just give way to a national brand. 38:34 than it does to have a local business. So a national brand is going to expand and put as many stores as they can do all this stuff. They have no interest in being a part of your community or supporting the people who live there. They view the worker as someone who can just run the machine and the system for them. And they put all the local businesses out of business. No one plans on being in your community long term because everyone plans on either starting the new national brand. 39:02 everyone wants to be a national brand. Yep, no one wants to be a mom and pop, and that and should the fall out of that you the fall out of that to continue that that should hurt the father. You're not, you're not the fall out of that to continue that is is downtown San Francisco with target and Walgreens and all those companies that moved out and the messaging you receive is there was too much shoplifting is too dangerous, too much homelessness, but what is the reality 39:30 is those brands have pushed real estate prices up so much that all the local businesses are not feasible there. All the local businesses live there. Yeah. And so now those businesses, create a problem, but then they go, Oh, we don't want to live with that problem. They leave. And then that problem is just there. And then all those people are stuck with that problem. People who made investment real estate, they bought all these buildings and they built these apartment complexes. They're unwilling to drop their like the rates dude at the downtown Kansas city things. It is insane. It is in 40:00 saying that a two bedroom in one of the light buildings downtown, one light, two light, three light, any of them two bedroom is more expensive than my apartment in Los Angeles. That's insane. That's stupid. It's dumb. so it's a cobusier cobusier. 40:22 He put out this. We got into another conversation about all the things that are wrong with the world. Trying to make it a musical. Oh, I really down all the things that are wrong. We did it again, so he puts out this thing, the domino house and then all these like architecture, fruit, the people who are like really big in architectures like this happen. Here's like to put a button on it. When inventions like this happen, 40:50 this can go one of two ways. This is either revolutionary idea that could be like oh, we can build on this or what ends up happening is oh, we can make things way more efficient. We can make way more money for doing less work and less like we can just because you can buy. It's what my dad complains about all the time is that you can buy thirty of something for cheaper per item than you can one of something. Yeah, if I'm building, if I'm doing a construction project and I only need two of those things, yeah, it is 41:19 easier for a bigger company to come in and do that project because they got it at a cheaper rate because they bought 30 of those things. Which makes sense. Like that's the whole thing. It's one of those things where it's like, yeah, that makes sense. That makes financial sense, but it also makes it so that my dad can't break into that industry that a bigger company is already doing. And it's stuff like that where it's just like, what are you going to regulate that bigger company out of doing better business? Are you going to regulate like... There's fallout to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what saying. When he makes this for the architecture kind of stuff, like this could either... 41:47 be something that we can really expand on this and we can make beautiful, wonderful, lasting things or we can make cheap garbage and I don't know where you live, but it's probably in some cheap garbage. 42:04 and you're like certainly not the house that I had built. My parents had their house built by the Amish. Their house is solid. It is insanely in. I have tried to blow that house down and it won't. It won't go. stand up, but you want to see how stupid your house is where you live. If you probably live in an apartment maybe or if you own a home that you bought, like just take a little level, put it anywhere in your house. Yeah, yeah, you're going to lose your mind. My house was built in seventy one 42:31 And that was like back when your house saw say I mostly like yeah, they don't like they used to. We just put those. We just put those panels on the wall. Oh yeah and gosh, it's insane how we've got like one side level, the whole thing's level all the way across. We get to the other wall and I'm not exaggerating when I say we are almost an inch and a half from that other wall because the other was just so crooked. It's insane. It's in anyways, I'm little fast and cheap. So 43:00 He building matters. No one cares about the community they're building. No one cares about the money they're putting into the place that you're going to live and mess your life and raise your kids and put your kids in hopefully public education. He puts the domino house out was domino house out and all these radicalize you thinking about stuff. He puts the domino house looking around my house and like this. These walls are right dude. 43:26 you know, you know, right story where someone's got like a good life and then they look at the lamp like that lambs weird. What it really was is the lamp was just cheap. They look at it like that kind of sucks. That lamb's pretty bad and it broke their whole then it turns out everything's bad. 43:42 No, so he puts out the dominoes of our podcast is everything's bad. It puts the domino house out and then a bunch of rich dudes with their pipes are reading their magazine that they subscribe to about. They're having their grandkids read them. Yeah, yeah, because they didn't learn now. No, no, they know how to read. That's how they're teaching. It's heavy. I back to an episode that we recorded yesterday architecture bug son, so it's so they're reading it. He's right and then so the grand at the Domino House. Well, the new design is the great is the is don't 44:12 Sound it out, you dumb mingo house go house. Oh, I love the sound of that Domingo house. It sounds so cultured got a new design. It's real cool. It's designed by Domingo or whatever. I don't know dude. It's a pop culture reference. 44:31 so he puts this thing out. He puts this thing out a bunch of people read it in the magazine trying to appeal to a audience. It's serious. It's the magazine, a bunch of rich people read the magazine. They call them up. They say let me get that guy on the phone. They call him up and they say hey dude told me something and so he started building a bunch of houses for rich people, but again this is a second. I mean that doesn't and they all look like this. These are the kind of homes that they all look like ikea furniture. They look like they look like 45:00 on and you don't see it from the outside. You barely see it from the outside. I should say, but they look like what you would expect the outside of the house of the neighbor at the national lampoon Christmas vacation. Yeah, this is what you would expect the outside of that. all this looks like severance to be honest. Yeah, they're very like. What does the inside look like? We got shots of what the inside because I is it beautiful. I shots of the inside of something else. I'll show you later, but not of this like this looks pretty 45:25 cool yeah they're building like it honestly not my cup of tea. I want to buy it, but I can respect people who like this. You couldn't afford this dude. I mean if I lived back then everything was so cheap. I could have art. If I live back that everything was so cheap. I could have easily done that sure and so he's building homes right. He starts building homes for people design homes, but he has a bigger dream. He says I don't want to build just homes. I want to build the White House. He wants to build Paris. 45:52 and so in his dream he wants to build Paris. So in his dream he says he says in a perfect world I could tear Paris down and I could restart because we're not an efficient city and he says I don't in a perfect world. I could destroy all of this in a perfect world. I would be able to demolish and level the entire historical city of Paris, France, 46:23 and starting from the ashes, I would place beam after beam like Johnny Apple beam just through the city. The whole thing's on a platform. Yeah, yeah, 46:40 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. have a mailing list in that mailing list. give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes, we've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of tilling topics. So if you want to keep learning stuff even beyond the content of the episodes, that's a great place to do it. 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So his vision he wanted to I mean the efficiency was the thing and so he wanted to make a more efficient city, so a city where everything was everything was like the prefab design using the domino house like mentality where it was all built prefabricated, built more efficiently and then most importantly like 47:55 I don't know what the right word is for this kind of like what you hear like from like the people who are building the line where it's like everything that you need is close to you and so everything's like conveniently located, but there's room for everything and everybody. You know what I'm saying sure and so he starts theorizing about this and writing articles and stuff about what he wants Paris to look like and he releases these. This image, this is a model of what he thinks Paris should be like 48:25 And it's it's honestly, if you're listening, it's the projects in New York like that's what he wants it to be. It's just so less these like two or three dozen cross shaped skyscrapers that are insanely tall and then a bunch of other like weird geometrically shaped buildings around it. And this is a model he built this yeah and like a pretty lifeless grid. 48:53 but the idea is these are buildings you work and play and live in and they've got everything you need in these buildings and the idea is that every room of the building has a view every single room and oh yeah, that's the dream. That's the idea and that's why it's shaped the way it is, but realistically we know because we've been in buildings like this that the view on some of those is the other window yeah, so it's not a great view, but in theory, I guess it's a view 49:23 and these are obviously all just cement facades like there's nothing no ornamentation, nothing inspiring or interesting about this. It's very utilitarian yes and so needless to say looks bad yeah needless to say. Do you think he got halfway through this model and was like? Oh no, you know, saying like he built in he was like wait, this is this kind of so kind of suck, but I'm so far in 49:51 too deep. I mean to I've been talking to every everybody about this and talking every everybody I'm telling people about this idea. I can't like double back on it now like I'm so I'm into deep. I got to run this race. I have to win this race because I've said too much and so he he starts campaigning for this idea and he's going around. He goes to New York. He lands in New York. The reporters are so excited to see him and there's this 50:21 strange. He's like going and doing lectures and he's like writing on pieces of paper and women are fighting over the paper like he's kind like a weird architecture celebrity. Yeah, he's a weird architecture celebrity, which this is to be fair pre beetles and so people weren't didn't understand what cool was yet. They were like didn't know what it meant to be cool. The Beatles had it happen so like people hadn't seen someone do something really. Is this right now again? I mean this is the thirty's at this point and so people haven't seen someone do something really cool yet. 50:49 And so like, oh my gosh, he's got cool ideas about buildings. I need papers. He's not seen flight. 50:59 What do mean? haven't seen things that are cool. Yeah, but the planes exist yeah, but they haven't seen a rock star yet. Okay, I haven't seen a movie star yet. Movie stars just started. We started just started. They're tossing their clothes at him. They're like we love your building. Oh, your beams 51:20 Tell us again about that trust. Yeah, it's weird. So he goes to New York and he's the reporters are swarming him and they ask him, they said, what do think in New York? You're seeing New York City. What do you think of it? It's the world to New York. We've been waiting for you. Welcome to New York. he looks around, he gets off, the boat or whatever, however he got there and he looks around and he looks at it the reporters like, what do think of New York? Then he says, this place sucks. He says, your buildings are too short. 51:50 and they're like gas, so he goes to New York and yeah and he does this tour in New York. He's buildings are big enough. Your buildings look too cool and there was the tallest building in New York at the time at the time. Empire State might have been under construction at the time. Did he make? Did he make the Chrysler building then no Chrysler building was before Empire State? I thought yeah. Did he make one was Empire Empire State was probably under construction when he got there yeah okay? 52:20 So then yeah at the time, I think Chrysler would have been the tallest at that time because Chrysler well actually you know what Chrysler was because Chrysler got completed only like a year before Empire State. Yeah, as a controversy, a controversy, so he he comes to New York. He says that I you're building too short. 52:43 he goes back like we're trying. They're like like literally we're building one. Look at how big they are that you could tell me something bigger in Paris right. You got a bigger one in Paris and he's like no, but yours are too short. are too short. He said if the Paris government would let me level the city and build my city, it'd be way taller than your buildings. They're like okay, my dad beat up your dad. Paris government would just let me level everything. 53:11 And so okay, all right, city of Paris. We've decided to let this guy do it. So we need everyone to leave for a while. Leave for a little bit. This guy's got tear the city. We don't know where you should go. 53:30 they start playing closing time. You can't you can't stay here. Okay, where you go, I go home, but you can't stay here. Well, actually you definitely can't go home actually because your homes here, so we're going to destroy where else to go. I so this is as we've discussed. We've only been thinking about it for maybe four seconds, but it turns out this is the idea we're going to do and it's the it's yeah, you know, so then he finds out about fascism. 54:00 and he gets really excited about it. He's like yeah, the thing that's stopping me is the is the the bureaucratic control of Paris. No, his big thing about fascism is he says this makes a lot of sense because it under fascism. I could give a better, a better environment for the working class. That's what he's saying sure, sure, sure, sure, so I could fix it. I alone could fix it. Same thing of like you know, like the Disney idea for Epcot, yes or so. I mean honestly, Disney was a fascist. Yeah, 54:28 kind of time marked out. That's my out of context quote for this week. Disney was a fascist, so he he he becomes friends of fascists is probably something you can call friends of fascist friends of fascists in a time where it was part of our tears on page. 54:49 in a time where it probably wasn't a good thing to be friends with fascists, but it was yeah and so goes to Germany. He actually moves to Italy, who's lady yeah and he most of the fascist friend of he becomes close friends with their director of eugenics and he works for a while. He starts building a bunch of buildings, but then realizes I don't really like working for this guy. He's like. I don't know if I love fascism that much now that I'm like this close to it and so then we this kind of sucks like this guy's kind of a jerk. 55:19 and so he quits his job is here to build building yeah master race. Sorry he quits his job goes back to build his abilities. The war kicks off. The second one kicks off and then him and he's got this society of architects that are like cuffed the same cloth at all. He's like watching him. He's like oh yeah, they're bombing Paris yes, I yeah so him and his group of architect friends. He's like all right, they're going to need to rebuild. We'll do it exactly 55:47 they see this as the best opportunity of a lifetime. They're like we can rebuild the society now and the way that we want and so they go start seeking up contracts to be the rebuilders and lo and behold, the people who actually like the designs he have is has is the Soviet Union and so he ends up building a bunch of new Soviet blocks like the same the kind of things that yeah now we associate that with with Soviet Russia. Yes, yes and so he builds 56:17 a bunch of a bunch of these like housing. What's the what's the word I'm looking for like blocks? I mean, I guess eventually housing blocks yeah. Eventually it becomes housing blocks, but it starts out with this one very significant building he builds and I'm trying to find the name of this the unit day habitation unit unit, the habitation and this one specifically 56:48 This is this one, this specific ones in France actually, so also the fascists and this one is fascist at the time. Yeah, fran cited with germany. Oh and so this one actually got added to a unesco heritage site. The list. This is the building yeah exactly what you picture a giant lego yeah just a giant cement block. 57:16 with weird colors in random spots here and there. Here's the interesting thing though. Interior's not bad, like not great. But the one of the interesting things is all the hallways, every floor, these are businesses. And so these you've got businesses and then you've got your like actual apartment units. And so again, the live and work and play concept, but inside these spaces, they're not bad. He was a furniture designer to a lot of this is his furniture. Okay. 57:45 Yeah, they look pretty and so like it's from the outside looks terrible from the inside that's sick. That's a cool yeah from the inside. It's not bad at all. Yeah, some of them are actually like nice and here again. This is the evangel cone pillar thing that you say all over a angel in our in our old studio. Yeah, actually very common thing and then the rooftop was pretty sick. 58:08 It was like it had actual roof access with a swimming pool and there's a stage up there. This was a huge deal when he released this and then he built in furniture. Those are those are built in the couch things. Yeah, yeah. And so a lot of like I don't know these get a lot of hate because they look like this. But once you're like in them the spaces are actually not bad. Like they're kind of nice. Yeah, they he was a big proponent though of minimalism. So like most of his spaces like his idea was 58:38 he had this phrase doing too much the well. The phrase was it translates to existence, minimal, minimal, and so you would live in the least amount of space you could possibly take up was the idea. So that way there was room for everybody and that way you could have a lot of space and fit a lot of people in there and then he built this church that looks like a freaking cartoon villains layer. Oh yeah, this is despicable. Yeah, this is a church in France, 59:05 and then they started building all these housing blocks became super popular in the post war period. Yeah, these massive concrete conjections. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're right. This looks like the despicable me later and then India had this very interesting thing happen where they had like the two state solution or the two states merged together. They had this this capital city that there was planned capital city 59:33 called Shandagra, I believe is how you pronounce it, and they were like build the whole thing and he was like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, 01:00:01 They painted some of the pillars. It's kind of cool. It's a mix. Some of it's interesting, some of it's not, but he built this whole city and it's very interesting to see because the ideas he had was building this way would not eliminate, but lessen the class differences was the arguments he would make because everyone's on more of a similar playing field. Sure. But what happened is 01:00:26 the working class ended up living in the smaller units, the existence, minimalism rich, you get out and the rich people built homes like this on the outside outskirts of the city, and so it further exasperated the problem. Yes, but the concepts went on to where these things did actually get built. Housing blocks like this got built all across soviet Russia, even in the states in some areas, people followed in his footsteps building constructions like this and in a weird way it did their 01:00:55 kind of sold his places to live and they're not they're not places that like in what's the Marie Kondo spark joy, but but they did create a lot of surplus housing in a time when it was necessary and it very much needed in that post war era. And so it had a very I shouldn't say very, but it had a positive impact because it gave people a place to live that otherwise probably wouldn't have had a place to live. And so it served a purpose, but they're they're not. 01:01:25 a fun to live in. And so there's kind of this like ebb and not an ebb and flow, but the two sides of that coin right. And so then because of the impact he made in all of this post war era, the U.N. said build our headquarters. And so he did. He designed the U.N. HQ, which is probably his. I probably. Yeah. I mean, a lot of his 01:01:50 his construction in the architecture community is like pretty not worthy, but this is probably the one that at least in the states we all I don't know if we all know this. I do yeah, but you know that what's the room without the green wall? So he make that room. What you in what are you talking about in like the chamber that they all are in and I'm with that green marble wall behind him. I mean, I'm sure he does. I'm sure you don't talk about this one. 01:02:16 is what you're talking about yeah, because look on the look when you see it on a video it looks is it gold? I mean the law is the gold. think yeah, this is the room I'm talking about. Maybe it's the marble front of this thing. You know yeah, it's the green carpet. Maybe yeah, that's the carpet that my church had in elementary school modeled after the you in yeah. Did he make this room? That's what I'm saying. I mean yeah like he made all he designed the whole place. He designed the whole place. He didn't just design the outside okay crazy 01:02:45 So very influential. The point I'm trying to make, he's a very influential architect who had it not been for him, the prefab industry wouldn't have existed and the concrete architecture thing wouldn't have an interest existed and these housing blocks that we see all over the place, like he had a pretty massive impact on the built world that we live in today. you can say really two things about that. One, he made it possible for us to build 01:03:14 at a much faster rate than we've ever been able to build and create much more space and be much more efficient and that allowed more housing to be built and made it possible for a lot of people to be lifted out of poverty. Sure, but they also kind of suck to look at yeah a little bit like he really, he really fought against Victorian architecture and the ornamentation and like and now we live in a world that's like starting to try to fight back towards ornamentation and being a little bit more interesting and like 01:03:43 doing things that don't suck. But we still live in a world that's really, really steeped in efficiency. And that's not just him, but he's the one who brought that into architecture. And so his impact is still felt to this day. And anytime you drive through a cookie cutter neighborhood, you know exactly who to thank. That's La Cogbercie. 01:04:03 And so when you drive Charles, you drive through it, you feel dead inside. Yeah, you know, those like a barium type neighborhoods or it's like all these houses look the same. That's my wife's nightmare is to live in a neighborhood where all the houses I know you I don't get. I grew up in one. It feels like home to me. Yeah. When you're driving through, it's just like nostalgic. You can't really tell them apart that much. Yeah, I love that. I love that we're all living the same existence. All right, fiddle off. 01:04:37 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of things alone last night. If you liked it and you wanted to learn more about architectural history, facts, things that happen, we did a whole episode about tartaria, which is the truth, absolutely about how the mudslides hid all of our buildings like they, guess, you know, there's a theory that humans built all this really fancy architecture and all this stuff and the mudslides covered it all up and then humans don't actually know how to do that stuff anymore. It's a very government is covering it up and they're lying. There's a lot of 01:05:06 we cut Tim's crap. I'm doing the answer right now. Good night, keep going comply, but there's like part of the theory is like they didn't know how to actually make that stuff anymore. So that's how we ended up with the bad architecture that we have as we just learned. It's actually like who Barbara's fault. I say his name, but 01:05:33 but the theory was we just didn't know how to do it anymore, so that's it's an interesting episode. A lot of people found that episode that did not like us, so it really really helpful if you went and commented and liked it because there's a lot of people who didn't and if you want next week's episode right now, you can follow us on patreon. It's a great way to help us grow the show, help us keep making the show go to till and dot com slash join. That's T I L L in dot com slash join. You can get that next week's episode ad free discord, all the fun perks that come with that 01:06:02 Thanks for being a part of our show. Thanks for listening, for watching, for sharing. We really do enjoy this a lot, so we'll see you next week and hey, this is an evergreen pod out, cut it out, leave that part in. 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00:00 this episode is a little bit more for our fans, so it really is like there's so much tangents and all that stuff. This one was a mess, this, but we also learned about Rosie O, Rosie, Rosie, Rosie, she's marathon runner. She is a marathon runner. I mean she did she did. She was the female winner of the Boston Marathon in 1980, so record holder yeah and she held on to that medal till the end of her life. So we did about we talk about how she won the race 00:29 and then the controversy that surrounded it. So this episode comes out when who knows man, April 22nd, yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so this again, I'm on tour in June. I've got some dates sometime 00:49 Come to one for real. Come to the shows. That'd be great. All my shows as always, jerrymire.com slash shows. Some of the cities I know for sure I'll be in. Then I can lose. I can't tell you the dates, but I can loosely be like Coleman, Alabama, Houston, Texas, Jacksonville, Florida, Charlotte, North Carolina. And you're like, didn't you just go to Florida and Texas? I also said the same thing to the tour people. I said, didn't we just do this? And so those, that's, that's where we'll be at. 01:17 Austin, Texas is one of the places, so. Love it. Going to get weird. Yeah, Austin's not as crazy as it used to be, right? Austin, like there used to be a stereotype around Austin, Texas and that's not, I think. I think now it's like a comedy hub. That's great. Yeah. See this tangent right now? This is what you're in store for. All right, let's get to the episode. 01:43 Hey man, what's up? We ever heard of Rosie Ruiz, Rosie Ruiz, Rosie Ruiz. Oh man, so is there her stage name? O'Donnell, man, is that what's happening? No, but but I know Rosie Ruiz. Here's a picture of her. We'll see if you can guess what she does based on her photo. I love doing this Rosie Ruiz. What do think she does? It's a shockingly good photo considering the era like you can tell what era considering 02:13 Is she a lawyer? That's a good guess. I think that's a pretty good guess. Well, here I'll give you another one for showing up for court. She did something. She's a murderer. I'll show you another one yeah. Okay, so she's she is she's the center of the trial of whatever is happening. Okay, so what is looks very guilty. She looks like super guilty. She just looks like this is the photo that they run on the news. You know yeah yeah so rosy Ruiz. Well, actually you know what I what are you talking about? 02:43 So really, really, clearly she's on trial, you know, are you all right? What is that? Work out in this morning? No, I didn't. I can tell. Oh my God. Okay, here, let's just Rosy Ruiz. You got chubby cheeks. Oh my gosh. Should we run? we run around? Should we pick up the chairs and run a couple laps around the table? Real quick face. Should we run around the table? A couple of voice. 03:10 and ultimately, ultimately the only remedy is for you to follow Christ. No, I what this is right, whatever this is right now, always for Christ. Oh, it's a call back. Oh, I don't even know what that we don't know what that call back in that episode like a week ago. We recorded that and this is not a joke yesterday. 03:33 so like you listen to it. You're like oh, that's a call back from a couple weeks ago. That episode a long time ago. Wow! What a deep call back. This is a mere. This is less than a twenty four hour call back for Tim. You understand what I'm saying? I don't remember. You don't remember boys for Christ. You remember the whole way like he let her drown and then they open the o car and started reading because it was the BFC. That's right. This is literally yesterday, dude, 04:03 she's yes. If I was a kid now, I'm wondering if I not it was a genuine concern that I was like you're talking like so Rosie is okay. We need some jumping jacks or something yikes. Okay anyways, I guess we'll talk about Rosie Ruiz. There you go. There's a Rosie Ruiz. She let's we'll start it here. We'll start it here and those in what year is this 04:32 nineteen seventy nine she ran question okay color photos yeah when what do mean when when did they happen when because why are we seeing so many pictures that the seventy's they had colored pictures yeah that's a good point that's a good point because I don't say if this is nineteen seventy nine 04:54 Yeah, like why are we black and white pictures? These are, think these are newspaper photos. I think that's why they look so good and then they're black and white because they're printed in black and white. Okay, but we do have color photos. I'll show you some color photos when we get into it. Actually, I'll show you a color photo right now. Maybe this will tell you what she who she is. She's covered in blood. Maybe this will tell you who she is. This is actually one with the police in this photo. Hey, 05:23 Oh, she's a marathon runner. Yeah, why are you talking like this? Dude, this is what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be mean to you right now. I'm like oh, she's a marathoner yeah. Okay, I don't know man, so in nineteen seventy nine, she ran the New York City Marathon and she placed eleventh overall with a time of 05:52 two fifty six twenty nine okay, which is fast, very fast. There's enough for her to qualify for the Boston Marathon nine minute pace, right? I don't know how many miles is a marathon. Do you know off the six point two? Yeah, so yeah, I don't know what the math is on that. I didn't do the math, but it's quick. So she she finished with that time two fifty six twenty nine, which placed the eleventh overall almost three hours to run twenty six miles. So 06:22 that's that seven minutes, that's eight minutes, eight and two third minutes, which I remember it's run a nine minute pace. I guess I mean, I remember in high school, if you could run an eight minute mile, people were like this good job. That's what everyone said. Oh, that's a good job. All the peers was the sign at our good job. If you were in good job, oh, you were that the kids, the kids, 06:49 you finish the mile. The kids go like you did it all in unison to just a bunch of high scores going crazy. Honestly, if you imagine imagine being a it's you're not even a a one you're like an a is that a do they say a gosh has been so long since I've been in high school. Is that what they do a a five five a I got it backwards you're you're a 07:16 3A high school. You're not even the top of the list, right? You're a 3A high school, play basketball. You're, you know, at an away game at some other high school. Student section is all there, but for some reason they aren't rowdy, but every time something happens in their favor, the whole student section, 200 kids, the full bleacher in unison, just the terrifying. Yeah, 07:47 I love that. I love that when you started doing this bit, I was like I'm going to do it. Yeah, no, I'm saying like they're all just standing there watching the game like this. Yeah, just completely like that's yeah. At least it's better than 08:11 and then they go back. Have you watched the did you watch the documentary, the North Korea documentary, the something sun rising sun, something like that. You know, I'm talking about where like the camera crew got access and then in the editing they showed the parts that that was supposed to get edited out. Oh, you see that? No, I didn't see it, but I love that idea. Yeah, it's phenomenal because it's literally like they got access to North Korea to make a propaganda documentary. Yeah, but then they just showed all the other parts 08:40 of like them waiting for the bus and literally the people being like okay go and like people started walking and pretending to be part of the normal. Yes, it's interesting eerie, but like the fact that the whole crowd claps. That was what that was. That's a normal. do. Yeah, they literally go and they all stop in unison. They don't do that. I don't think they're not freaking storm troopers, but they like 09:07 Yeah 09:12 I just forever. Do you think that because of the like melting pot nature of our nation? That wasn't what has inspired. That's what starts to sound like because we're not all the same. You know, it's a sound a little well. What I'm saying is like our culture is where a bunch of cultures that are like supposed to in theory co together in unison. Yeah, yeah, but I think what 09:41 has actually happened is that it's like island off yeah and then and it and almost like, but then we end up like so like then we end up with a bunch of people who belong to no island really. That's what I'm saying yeah and then they and then there's like and then that fuels this. I don't know what to this I guess racism and nationalism sure because it's like 10:05 I think there is, think there's, I think there's a desire that people have to want to be part of a unified culture. Yeah. And the problem is, is that the people who are a little loudest about wanting to unify the culture are like, yeah, and that culture has to hate gay people and like has, and you're like, hold on. Yeah, I'm all like, yeah, let's unify the culture. Let's say the political, I'm proud to live in this country. Sure. But also does that mean I have to be like, and if you're 10:31 proud of your heritage in any way that takes away from this, then you're anti this. And it's just like, Oh, I don't think I'm on board for that. And so, but I do agree with what you're saying. Yes, it ends up being a bunch of different islands. And then I, I mean, I think, I think it's the 23 and me stuff is like, you know, talking to my wife about like, we don't, we can't easily track our grandparents, great grandparents. We can't track that back to like, we're 11:01 Irish or weird German or where this like we're just a hot as sure so much so much of like so many people who live here and like their families always lived here. They don't have a bigger story like they don't have like the connection to their ancestors because they don't know who they are like we are all our generation of people who've whose family has always lived here like I don't know. 11:29 what my great gram, I don't even know my great grandparents names. So I, but I think that's what I'm saying is that I think that that's the symptom of the culture that we have built is that we've so prioritized us. Like we don't even, we don't think about our great grandkids anymore either. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't, yeah, we don't think about it as far as like the part of the whole, or that we're part of a larger story. We think of it as I'm living right now. Yeah. And that's, and I think that's because of the, um, 11:59 I don't want to blame one generation, but there's a couple generations that came before us who were the most selfish in American history and and boom all the things are bad. It does, but no, these are things were already bad. It doesn't read like it does breed this. This I don't know. It breeds this. I don't want to pay taxes because it's just for me. You know what I'm saying? Like any program that other people to a task conversation, 12:29 No, what I'm saying is like it's it's pushed the community so so so so so so so so so small sure that it's like everyone on the outsides the outside and almost an enemy and dangerous. mean yeah you saw that I think you saw that during coven when people were like me and mine taking care of me and mine and like this whole like what's the what's the movement call where people are buying homesteading yeah you know 12:52 They're just like, I'm just going live out here and take care of me and mine. You're like, you're a freaking isolated prepper is what you are. so, but yeah, I think the longing that people have is one, to be part of a bigger story than themselves and two, to be part of a community that's also living in that story. And as the American church has been deteriorating over the past several decades, that used to be one of the unifying factors. Another unifying factor was that 13:16 Same thing with like people used be part of a job or a career and they would work at that company for fifty years. Being a part of that company and its growth was part of their story. Now people are job hopping every couple of years because it's so individualistic and island life right and also because you can't have it also because it doesn't pay off the same way because where doesn't view you as part of the bigger story. Yeah, exactly. Your employer views you as a as a call ability to get to that thing. Yes. Yeah. And so 13:46 Yeah, there's I think to try to be like oh, it's because of the melting pot thing or because it's it's there are so many other factors and so much stuff that came together to create this awful spot that we're in yeah where it's hard to make friends now because friendship requires that I care about your well being, whether it's 14:13 whether it involves me or not. My love for you is that I want the best for you, whether that's not at the expense of myself even, just like I want what's best for you. And so that's hard to do in a society where we're all just kind of thinking about what I need to do. Also, I would love to have the extra money or time to invest in friendships and community. Don't have it. 14:43 You you want to go out to lunch with your friends, that's a hundred dollars. Yeah, for real, for real. And you're like, oh, okay, I can do that once a month or once every other month. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like, oh, well, why don't you just go to each other's houses? Well, we live freaking 40 minutes apart because the rent sucks and it's hard to find a place to live. Yep. Okay. Well, you know, still you could probably make the drive and go hang out at each other's houses. Yeah. But then I also got to clean up my apartment. 15:12 which takes time, is the energy that I do not have when I come home from my job. That's what I'm saying. There's so many other, and those aren't just excuses. Those are just things that are like, man, we don't have friends over. I got to go clean my house. Because like right now I'm just getting by most nights. And then we get, you you open social media and it's like, hey, you lazy sack of crap. Oh, you're going to sit. You are kind of lazy though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 15:41 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 15:53 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:25 so she had a time of two hours, fifty six minutes and twenty nine seconds like an eight and half. Are you get into this man? Oh really quick? Okay, she plays the eleventh overall yeah in New York and the New York City Marathon. Good time, good sure right and it was good enough to qualify her for the Boston Marathon and here's the thing about the Boston Marathon. The New York City Marathon was founded, I think in nineteen seventy so in seventy nine 16:53 It was a very new thing running those things forever. It does well. The Boston Marathon is the oldest marathon in the country. It's been running since the eighteen nineties and so yeah that marathon. Why did it take New York like a hundred years to be like hey, we should do one of those? I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't tell you, but Boston was like the prestigious one. It still is like it's the big one and so you to qualify for that stuff. Yeah, you don't just get to run into the race and so she qualifies for the Boston Marathon. 17:20 but not a New York marathon. Well, no, she she qualified for the New York marathon. Oh, okay, okay, okay, and we'll get into kind of the story about how she qualified in a minute, but she does the Boston Marathon is the where she she hit someone in the kneecap. What is Tanya Harding? It was a it was an ice skating. Oh, do know about Tanya Harding? Maybe maybe I'll do an episode about Tanya. Okay, okay, sure. That sounds like vaguely familiar. The name sounds familiar. 17:47 anyways yeah in April, nineteen eighty. So just a few months later, she runs the Boston Marathon and she finishes this marathon with a time of two hours and fifty six minutes. No two hours and fifty six minutes was New York. Great. Have you been paying attention? I told you this already. I snuck it in while you were ranting taxes, so I was straight to camp. Here's what's public education all of them and then you went two hours, thirty seven minutes. 18:17 No, it was she finished with a time of two hours, thirty one minutes, fifty six seconds and so her time said you said thirty seven and so she placed first and it was the she won the boss of marathon. Yeah, it was the fastest female time in Boston Marathon history and it's also the third fastest female time ever recorded in any marathon ever. So this was a stunning performance, especially because of the fact that 18:47 she did just a couple months earlier on Marathon time of two hours and fifty six minutes to sort of cut twenty five minutes yeah in four months. That's is very awesome. It's very impressive. Yeah. So she finishes that race and she comes into the finish line and we see this. We see this picture. I'm no marathon runner, but I know that's not possible. Yeah. So she finishes this Marathon. She's very clearly huffing and puffing also police to carry her what never mind. We're gonna let it go. She needs the police to carry her into into the 19:16 the finish line yeah and and this these two are the most nineteen eighty cops. You could even imagine like look at the guy on the right. Is he going to chew it? They both have chew it and for yeah, I was doing that the other day. I thought I saw someone on my flight that had chew. Are you allowed to do chew on a plane? I wanted you. I can eat on a plane. I don't know where you have to swallow it though. 19:47 Sir, saw some way you can do that here, but you got a there was somewhere else that I saw someone have chew in and I was like one to have chew here yeah for sure. Okay, yeah you can do you can chew wherever you want. Is that it? I think so. What's those in pouches people are all about? Yeah, it's a chew in a pouch. Is that what it is? Yeah, it's just two in a pouch. That's crazy. It's a little clean like it's cleaner to deal with. I think so many people who are 20:16 All the young and are into it. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. You get that little nicotine hit. Yeah, that's crazy. I say as I answer from my second Celsius of the morning. Are you serious? That's your second. Yeah, shut up. No, it's not. When'd you eat their first drink the first? Well, I ate the first one. 20:36 on my drive down. That's crazy. Should I not be drinking? I feel a little bit like let's go perfect. I'm going to fight someone over our tax system, so she so she gets her least stand up with a little sign her little all I go branch. No, no, no, 20:54 lie, false, so stupid dude. Oh, so she gets her little crown and her little crown and they take her to the podium. They give her one of those space blankets and they take her to the podium. So she's sitting at the she she gets the podium. She gets her metal. This was the secret. Oh, it was my nose. Yeah, smell the finish. That's not what she that's not the joke I was making. 21:20 is the dude and so every runner was on co nexter is the the first place male yeah and so third it's sitting there doing the press conference right yeah and I have to legally get married. I think is what the boss are. It's like they're like the queen of Boston. Now whoever wins this race has to kiss. Congratulations, you graduate, you know, kiss that guy. It was the eighty. 21:50 you know that's what a lot of people think that that war hero in the in the nurse. Oh like that's what that picture was. Yes, one a mare. They just won the marathon. They the kiss. So that's Bill Rogers, Bill Rogers. He is like a legend in the marathon world. I think oh he won four straight New York City marathons, three straight Boston marathons and he was an Olympian and so he's like a big time. Yeah, he's marathon runner and he was consistently like we was his time for the New York Marathon. 22:20 for the New York for that one that they won together. He did it in two hours and twelve minutes. Oh okay, he beat. So he beat a lot, but she was the fastest woman in that race, so he so just to work clear of how the Boston Marathon worked. He crosses the finish line. Yeah, there's not a single other person for twenty minutes. 22:41 Oh no, no, I'm sure there's other men who finished, I guess, probably yeah, yeah, there's probably yeah, it wasn't. She didn't get second place overall. Yeah, she got okay. She was the first woman to finish yeah and the Boston Marathon is interesting to actually and that's how they time to is that every minute that a man runs is actually you know every minute that a woman runs is point seven a half long. Yeah, so the time is a little skew. a little yeah, it's a little different no, but the Boston Marathon is interesting. I don't know if you knew this and let see if I can find this picture. The Boston Marathon 23:11 it's it's. I don't know what the right way to say this is, but it's like it's coed. So you have at the same time you have men and women running and they're all getting their different times and they're getting medals for their. think everyone knows what coed means. Well, I guess not everyone you guys went to a crappy little public school, didn't you? So I'm just in it now angry. So they have all their like 23:38 their different times and their different podium, but it's also a different ability level at the same race too. So it's like you're in the marathon with with the people, disabilities and wheelchairs, which is very interesting. I never knew that. I don't know how long they've been doing that, but this is that this is the same marathon that she ran in, which honestly that's way more impressive to me. You know how mad I would be. It is. It is pretty crazy for you to be running a marathon and be at pace with someone in a wheelchair. 24:04 Like that's what I'm saying. That's pretty. That's like whenever I ran at the YMCA track in in Springfield, that outdoor track they got and there was this guy who had to be a hundred and twelve who was out there and he passed me and I literally stopped and went to my car. I was like I can't do this. I can't, I can't let this ancient Jerry act trick bag of bones run past me and keep my confidence. I can't do it. 24:34 I had to go home. I was like, know what I'm good at lifting all live. I bet he can't lift more than me and then he could and I had to I had to drive to my car and I had drive to my car. I guess I had to go to my car and I cried and I was like wow, I got out lifted and you had to be like I it can't eat more Mcdoubles than me. Yeah, that's what I had to do. I had to start doing eating competitions. I saw this on some way to win. I this on a podcast the other day. I'm going to ask you this because I'm curious what your opinion is. Do you think 25:03 what would you rather do? You know who John Jones is? Nope. I'll show you a picture of them. Okay, if you're listening and you don't know, John Jones is like a world champion UFC fighter, a freak, freak of a specimen like heavyweight or like heavyweight yeah and just massive. This is this if it has some force perspective. 25:32 What was that guy? What was the big UFC fighter when we were kids? What was his name? Not like Kimba or something like that Kimbo slice Kimbo slice. Was he UFC? Was or was he W? I thought he was like a real fighter. Yeah, I think was he a boxer? Did he do USC? He was big right? He might have done USC. Yeah, he did do USC. You're right. You're right. Yeah, he was huge. He was huge. So here's here's the the question. 26:01 Here's here's John Jones. Okay, I love the not like huge though. Yeah, he might cut weight for this honestly, because he does look a little small. He's very, he's very yeah. I mean he's he's jacked. Don't get us wrong, but he's not like, you know, so the question is, would you rather get in the ring and fight John Jones? Okay, okay. Or would you rather get in the ring and hold on? Let me show you the other guy and see if he you 26:30 or would you rather compete against your this guy? Would you rather compete in? Would you rather compete against this guy? Oh and in competition at Joey chestnut, I think I could beat Joey chest or John chestnut or John John Jones. You're not going to fight Joey chestnut. I'm going to fight Joey chestnut. That's easy. 26:55 I could beat the crap out of Joey chestnut. No, no, no, that's not the question is would you rather I rather UFC fight John Jones, John Jones, yeah or would you rather hot dog eating contest? Joey chestnut, I think I'd rather hot dog eat contest golly. Hey, first of all, yeah, you need to recognize he's a world record holder. 27:16 I don't know if you know this, but he listen out listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, 27:35 if you're in a hot dog getting contest against Joey chestnut and you realize pretty quick. I don't know a couple hot dogs in that you're not going to win this thing. You can just stop. You know saying like you can just leave. I dogs don't have to hurt you. I don't have to hurt you. Is easy to say that's what I'm saying like, but if you're in a ring with John Jones, you're only your only way out is submission. 28:03 Yeah, yeah, you either get knocked out or you tap out. Yeah, you could you could to grapple to still a floor go quick. You just sit down immediately. Isn't you look really bad? You look so bad for that, but in a hot dog kind of you can try to fake it and be like I'm really trying and like really slowly eat these hot. I'm like yeah, yeah, you know, and then you only down seven to his seventy three. That's not the thing though. It's like it's like you have to put in max effort. 28:30 whatever it is you're putting max. I'm saying you're going max effort. You're going with the hot dog. You're like okay, I'm doing I'm doing it, but when you realize there's a point where it's like it's kind of like you know kind of like the third quarter of the super bowl when you realize this isn't turning around. Yeah, okay, let's not ship the pressure a little bit here. It's not just you're getting a lot to get here. Not just hold on. I thought you're not just trying to see who like what get in the ring and right. You're not just it's you have to win in one of these 28:59 or you die and so you're fighting for your oh it's Joey just under John Jones. Who do you feel like you have better odds against fighting John Jones or eating more hot dogs than Joey chestnut, which reminder Joey chestnut has eight eighty three hot dogs and less than ten minutes before sure I'm saying either way. 29:22 you win, but at what cost you know it's like it's like dude, it's like the end of in order to game. John Jones, you got to bite his ear off. You don't say like you got to play super dirty. What did it beat him? But then you're also like a couple of broken bones. You're pretty roughed up your beat. Yeah, yeah, you beat Joey chestnut, but you've had to eighty four hot dogs in ten minutes. You're pretty 29:52 roughed up yeah. You're you might never hear of the brink of death either way yeah yeah for sure for sure and really what it comes down to is you should in this scenario start to question what kind of system set me up that either way I could really win that to win. I would really have to I would have to and you should start questioning the system and that's what happens when you think about these scenarios for more than twelve seconds. Okay, but honestly I think 30:22 I think this is going to sound crazy. You think you could be John Jones because you're stupid. You're a now. think somehow the odds are a little bit better with John Jones than they are Joey chestnut. I don't think I have a physical possibility yeah, I I think I more window of luck with John Jones. think so too, because like I think it's very well placed hit or a misplaced hit on his part. I've you yeah yeah, when it break their leg, you I thought we yeah 30:49 there's more room for error in that fight, but also you could die. Yeah, very. I mean, yeah, your odds are not good, but somehow they're a little better. There's somehow a little better anyways. That was really worth that. Thanks. So Rosie, she finishes this race and that's okay. I don't, I don't imagine anyone's really looking up Rosie. You know what saying? Like some of our topics, like if we did all this in like the freaking Montauk project episode or something, 31:18 that'd be a little different. This is one of those stories where it's like no one's here for rosy. I'm here for rosy okay. Bill Rogers is on the podium mixer who would want rosy bill bills. Jesus would want. No, it was the Matt Chandler, sir, you know talking about. I thought you were doing the grab us. I know yeah I was doing anyways, so bill 31:45 Give us Rosie. is getting his medal and he's on the podium and he's looking over at the women's podium at Rosie and he's like, you look weird. He's looking at her and he's like, she's wearing sleeves and he's like, sleeves. Yeah. He's like, he's like elite runners. We don't wear sleeves if you're running at this level. Yeah, they'll go sleeveless because you chafe. Okay. And so she's like, she's like, that's not he's like, that's curious. And he looks at her legs and she's like, and he's like, those aren't 32:14 the runners legs. I wasn't going to say that you pulled this picture. I was like well look and then I stopped myself because I was like I'm I'm not trying to body shame Rosie, but yeah she does not have the appearance of here to be a person of an elite runner lives in the cardio space. Yeah, she doesn't look like an elite marathon runner because like here these are runners and their legs are just like in their arms. Everything about them is scrawny here. 32:42 because they're running more. Their legs are more muscular and their their limbs are are scronny because they run so much. Yeah, it goes over to her and he asks her and he goes, hey, why your legs so bad? do you look like that? You know, he also notices she's like, he's like, you're you look like you've been running right, but you don't look like you've been running a marathon. Like you're not that sweaty. You're not he in and he goes, he goes 33:11 How far did you actually run? 33:15 he's like he's like hey, what kind of shoes do you wear? You smell like beef and she will know that's a reference. People don't know that people don't know, so he confronts her essentially yeah. He comes over and he says he says hey, a twenty five minutes to shave off your time in four months is kind of crazy crazy. What'd you do? And so he says have you been doing intervals and she's like she's like yeah, she's like I don't know what that is and she and he's like what are your splits and she's like I don't know what that is and so a bunch of the other runners start 33:44 talking to her and being like. I don't understand how she did this. Who's your trainer and she's like I'm so just run and she's like I don't have a trainer. I'm just doing it. I'm training on my own and then so there's a reporter after the ceremony. All this stuff is happening. The reporter comes to talk to her and is like is like hey, a performance yeah incredible. You shaved twenty five minutes off your time at the New York City Marathon just a few months ago. How do you do it? Who's your trainer and she's like I don't have a trainer. I'm doing it on my own self trained yeah, self taught 34:14 And then she's like, that's crazy. She's like, you been doing speed intervals? there's a video of her and she says, everybody's been asking me that. I don't know what those are. And she's like, oh, she's like, well, typically you would think that someone who increased their time so much. at this caliber. would be doing some sort of speed training. It's pretty impressive that you were able to shave that much time without having any training. then on that video, she asked us, what are your splits? And she's like, I'm going be honest, I don't know what those are. I can't do the splits. 34:45 What she's like? I would say I would say my favorite are banana enough. like but and so like banana splits are pretty overrated to be honest very as a fat guy. Let me tell you the best ice cream desserts is just like a normal like scoop ice cream with some chocolate syrup on it. When you over complicate it with others like you put maybe some more o crumbles on that thing 35:11 you put gummy worms in there straight, mea worms mess that you like. That's terrible. Like it's just like yeah, because gummy worms and ice cream. It's like oh, it's like the what do they call that? Like they're like oh, it's like mud right because the mud and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All it happens is the gummy worms get hard. They do get and then you put them in your mouth and then yeah, I like four hundred pounds. If you need other tips on how to be a fat person, this is tips from a fapper. 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It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 36:43 So another curious thing about this race, some of the other female can contenders asked her what they thought what she thought of the neighborhood of well is Lee well this Lee okay, because two things one well is Lee beautiful neighborhood running through sure yeah beautiful neighborhood, obviously like a very cool side of Boston, but there's a college there that is known for whenever the women runners come through. They lose their minds for all the female runners and she did not 37:11 didn't mention that at all yeah. They're like. What do you think of well? They lose their minds for all the female runners like an a for them way it's positive yeah. Okay, totally supportive. They're not like we calling it's not cat calling. They're like you think of that very support. were throwing beads at you. No, it's very supportive, very supportive, okay, okay, okay, yeah, and she did not mention it at all. She was like it was a very pretty neighborhood. She's like this beautiful neighborhood yeah and they're like 37:41 not weird. And then there was an interesting thing because at the 17 mile mark, Patti Lyons said that she was told that she was second among the women. And at the 18 mile mark, Jacqueline Garreau was told that she was first among the women. And so to be that close to the end of the race, to be told that you're leading the pack and then to end up having someone else beat you and not just beat you but like crush you, is very surprising. And so there was a lot of questions starting to come out. 38:11 over the subsequent days an investigation was started because they were like there's no way that she actually did this and pulled this off and long story short what they started doing is they interviewed a bunch of people that were there they asked some questions to a lot of other runners and this ends up going to a court case and in the case there is it like a prize for winning. I don't think there's like a cash prize but I think that like they do get medals. I don't know if there is a cash prize actually I feel like there would be 38:41 Let's see it's a lot of work to not get paid. There is, but they didn't start doing it until eighty six. Okay, yeah and so that was just for the men yeah so and that's now it's a hundred thousand but oh my gosh, but to go from nothing to build it up towards like that's a full time because that's what I'm saying. There's people who like their full time job is to win marathons yeah yeah and I mean if you run enough marathons like yeah, especially if they're pricing mass yeah yeah and you can get sponsored. I bet 39:11 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you got to sponsorships, but anyways, so this ends up going to a court case. So we saw that picture. This is the like one supporter she ever got and this started to clearly bother her. She was very upset that people did not believe that she ran this marathon and so this was making national news. I love watching scammers cry. This made national news and a lot of people were digging into her and her story and trying to figure out what's going on. How do yeah and so 39:39 to find out how this happened. We have to go back to the beginning. She was born in Havana, Cuba. How long are we in this episode worth? We're thirty eight minutes in world fifty nine. Oh my we've got a little bit out though. 39:53 and she was born in nine to fifty three in Havana, Cuba, shortly after she moved to Memphis, Florida, which I've got a picture of Memphis, Florida, not Memphis, Memphis, Florida. Looks like this 40:08 We had so much to get to. Now Memphis, Florida, she moves to Memphis, Florida, is there for only a couple years and then she moves to Hollywood, Florida because she was separated from her mother and ends up living with her aunts and uncles and grows up there ends up going to Wayne State College in Nebraska and she graduates with a music degree useless degree. 40:37 Okay, she got just a music degree, but maybe most noteworthy thing in her whole story is while she's in college, she's in a car accident as a pretty severe car accident. She gets a traumatic hand injury and shortly after, I don't know if it's a result of the head injury. Maybe I don't know, but she ends up being diagnosed with a brain tumor, but it's benign, but it is a fairly large tumor brain tumor. And so 41:05 they leave it because they think it's more dangerous because benign it was more dangerous to try to get it out than it was to just leave it. So she's living her life with this brain tumor now benign but a brain tumor. And so in the 70s after she graduates she moves to New York City where she gets a job with metal traders a commodities firm and she's just kind of doing like admin work for them. And she really out of the blue was like I want to run in the New York City Marathon. 41:33 And so she tried to qualify for it, but she didn't qualify for the marathon. So she calls the marathon operators, and this is months before the marathon starts, the organization that runs it. She calls them and she says, Hey, I have brain cancer. This is my make a wish. I would love to run the marathon. And they said, okay. 41:57 Okay, and so they let her run the marathon and so she shows up, they have marathon. All our coworkers are like super supportive. They're like very excited to see her run in this marathon because I don't know if she's told them she has brain cancer too. She doesn't. I mean she has a tumor but she's not like so she has brain cancer. mean I guess yeah but it's not like it's benign, you know. Oh and so she goes and she runs in this race. 42:25 she starts the race yeah and she starts this race earnestly. She just I think she believes she could do it. She gets that she's not a run gets a couple hot dogs in realizes she's not going to win this battle, so she sits down and taps out on the floor. She goes like what are you doing people that bring answer? Let me do it all right. They let you do it when you're breaking and so she runs a few miles and she starts to realize this is harder than I thought it was going to be. 42:52 Yeah, so she's in the middle of this running one miles pretty it's pretty hard and so she runs and she she's running and she notices the subway station and so she just kind of slows down and sneaks her way into the subway gets on the train and takes the train to central park, which is near the finish line, takes the train all the way to central park and she feels like oh there's 43:19 enough people here, like this is a crowded city. There's a lot going on. she just was going to sneak back in and to the finish line. She didn't mean to win. Yeah. So a matter of fact, she's talking to another girl on the subway who's a freelance photographer. Yeah. And the freelance photographer is like, are you here for the marathon? She's like, yeah. And she's like, I am. I'm going to go photograph the finish. And she's like, that's awesome. She's like, I actually injured my ankle. And she's like, I was running it, but I injured my ankle. So I'm just, I'm just taking the subway to the end. She's like, I'm done. 43:49 fully intending to just sneak back into the race. Yeah, took the subway. She gets there and she waits for like more runners to pass by and then she just sneaks out of the crowd and just starts running again and then finishes. And so in the New York Marathon, she finished 11th overall the time of two 59 right and 29 seconds, which was still a very good time. Like she, I think what happened here was she was embarrassed that she went out for this and realized she couldn't finish. 44:18 And so she just snuck into the finish and then she gets what is a pretty good time. And so the marathon runners say, hey, you qualified for the Boston Marathon. You should run in it. And then she's like, oh no, I don't. So she goes, yeah, she goes in. Oh no, I don't think I should do that. But her boss, super supportive, is like, oh no, you should do that. Like that's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Like you should have you had an incredible time. You should do it. 44:48 and she's like, oh no, I couldn't even afford it. I couldn't even get out there. I'll pay for it and yeah, her boss is like, I'll pay for it. I'll cover room board, everything go out there, go run in the race, go do it. And so she's what I'm saying too though. Why do you have to win it? You know, saying like, why wouldn't you, if you're like, okay, I know that I'm lying. Yeah, just get 27th place. So she goes and she runs in this race and the same thing. She runs a couple miles and then sneaks into the Boston subway system and then 45:16 takes the subway and what she does here can do that in the Midwest. We don't have public transportation can't cheat the kids in city marathon. Yeah, we're going to take the street car. What are you going to take an uber actually and so she takes the takes the subway near the end near the finish line and she kind of miscalculates the time she thinks she doesn't plan on winning. 45:41 She's like, I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to come in at the middle of the pack. It's going to be whatever. then so she's sitting there waiting. She sees a few of them and run by and she thinks, okay, it's been long enough. And so she, I guess just jumps the barrier and starts running again and runs into the finish line a couple of miles. And then you, see the pictures, the police come out to help her in. Uh, and she is shocked that she wins first place. 46:08 and it's very clear you can see her reactions when she starts getting the crown at it and the metal she's like blown away, but she's like it's kind of that. Oh, I'm into deep sort of situation. You got to like lead in where so she just like starts living and continuing the lie and there's also kind of the like weird gray area where it's like oh my boss paid for this because he thinks I can do this and I'm really good and then I accidentally won this race and so she gray area. I think it's just pretty clear 46:39 So she gets the medal and then they do this eight day investigation and in that investigation they interview a lot of people, they talk to a lot of people, they ask her a lot of questions. And then they actually do some tests on her and as a part of the test they actually do like actual like physical tests on her and so they find out that her resting heart rate is 76 beats per minute. so I mean for a world-class runner you'd 47:06 but expect like should be yeah, and so everyone's like there's no way way you're you went from two fifty takes to two thirty one and you're resting already seventy six as there's not a chance, and so they they're doing all these investigations for brink and then a and then a couple hard harvard students come forward and they say hey. We actually saw her jump out of the out of the crowd about a half mile from the finish. 47:31 and continue running. And that was kind of the testimony that was like, she faked it. So they end up rescinding her, her win. And they gave it to the girl who was next in line, which was Jacqueline Garreau. And so she became the first place winner, but Rosie still like was so doubled down. She refused to acknowledge it. And she said, they're taking my win away from me. And she refused to return her medal. And so she held onto that medal until the day she died. 47:59 and she continued to hold on to the fact that whatever who cares what are they going to rip it out of your hands as she continued to tell everyone she won that marathon shortly after New York City did their own investigation as well because they're like oh you probably aren't and they found that freelance photographer and the freelance photographers like yeah she rode the subway half the race like more than half the race with me and she told me she was injured and so then they took away her win there when all of this 48:28 blows up. This is like a week long thing. It's in the news. Everyone's talking about it. Everyone's taken side. Is it rosy? Is it whatever? Is it rosier versus Boston Marathon? Who won? Who's the, who's the guy when this all breaks her boss is like, Hey, you're fired. Yeah, like you lied to me and you spent a bunch of my money. We're a family here and families are built on trust. And so the system, the background, 48:58 Mm yeah, he's got a hype man assistant. You know, I'm like the boss is like is the eighties and the boss is like you're firing the boss and the assistance back to like you know back then assistance had a pathway to a higher role in the organization. You could start in his assistant. You could work your way up within the organization. You might one day become the CEO of that company. When they become that pathway is gone. Now you have to now you had to have been born the son of the CEO 49:28 so so anyways, so so he's she gets fired yeah and she goes and she gets a job. Here's a little. This is shocking and honestly, if you ever are applying for a job, she and you're like on like the board of the race, that would be gold. No, if you're ever look, if you're ever applying for a job and you're like man, they're asking for a lot of information for me. Here's why she went and immediately after this 49:58 she got a job for a real estate company as their bookkeeper because they were like, yeah, you seem trustworthy. You can handle our books. so she, it used to be so easy. She gets a job as a bookkeeper and two years later she is arrested for embezzling $60,000 now worth $195,000 today from this real estate company. And so she spends a week in jail for that and then five years probation, which seems 50:25 worth it honestly, not worth it and then she moves to South Florida again. We've talked about this on the show all the time. How long would you spend in jail? You know saying like if you could, if you could pull off yeah yeah a lifestyle for a couple years yeah, the trade off yeah you got to pay it back eventually, but you know yeah and then immediately after she gives she her probation and she moves to South Florida 50:55 where she starts a cocaine ring and she starts peddling cocaine over real yeah for sure yeah and so in eighty three she gets a rest joking earlier. It's so crazy how many of my jokes turned out to be storylines. You know saying yeah yeah yeah yeah and so she she 51:15 became she got caught for her involvement in this cocaine ring and she again just three years. They know there if there's stuff that we know she's not good at it's getting away with stuff you know like she's not good at thinking through crime yeah and and then she ends up actually dying of cancer at age 66. I don't know if it was the same brain tumor if it was something else but it's very interesting in 2000 she still and to in the year 2000 said that I 51:45 I ran that race. I run that won that race. Steve Merrick, who is actually this guy right here, which America is kind of a cool name. I'm not going to lie. The guy behind her, guy behind her that you can barely see. You just see like this guy right here. Okay, he's the only person who was like supporting her through all this and I don't really know his relationship to her. Like it was, guess, a just fan close friend and then he said we know the relation with his friend and friend zone. He said that 52:11 in the year 2000, he came out, came forward and said that, yeah, you know, a few months after the race, she admitted to me that she jumped out of the crowd, not knowing that the first woman hadn't already gone by. She was just as shocked as everyone else when she came in first. And she just hasn't been able to like come clean about that. But she did come clean to me, is what he said. And he was he was pretty upset about it he was like the like strongest, like starkest defender of her. He's like, no, she really did it. 52:41 Yeah, so that's the story of how rosy Ruiz, I guess, like accidentally won the Boston Marathon and then got it taken away from her along with all of her prison time for breaking the law. Yeah, so that's rosy Ruiz. Wow! Okay, remember kids, the streets she ran on were paved by American tax dollars. 53:09 And the government is not against you. The government is you. We are the government. We are a society of people who pay into the collective. That's what we do. And any attempt to convince you otherwise is an attempt to exert power and control over you. Power and control over you. 53:31 but you could win the Boston Marathon. If you just do you just lie, anything's possible. Anything's possible. If you lie, anything's possible. If you just lie about take that with you fiddle off 53:52 Hey, if you liked this episode and you're like, I wish this was more about men running a race than women, then we got one for you. The 1904 Men's Olympic Marathon. It's a good one. And hey, if you want next week's episode right now, you can get that by becoming our Patreon supporter. Patreon supporters get a ton of perks. get ad free episodes a week early. They get access to a discord with our hosts and producers, merch discounts, all sorts of great things, birthday messages. It's totally worth it. You can sign up at tilland.com slash support. 54:19 And hey, we are an Evergreen podcast. find out more about them, go to evergreenpodcast.com. And we'll see you next week for another episode of Things I Learned Last Night.

Episode Transcription

00:00 It's very easy to look at history and say oh, I would never go along with that, but 00:06 you probably would weak, spineless little coward. You're such a coward today. We're talking about the story of Mr. Ron Jones, who's a history teacher in the sixties, but didn't experiment to demonstrate to his students how people fell for the German government in the forties. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast where I teach this guy thinks and he makes fun of me, and so if you don't like that, you might not like this show. 00:34 we joke around. get to the we get to the story. You learn a lot, but we're gonna laugh a lot away, so it's gonna be a good time. Great time. This episode comes out in April and so I don't have a lot of shows in April because Easter's happening, but there's some shows in May and then I am on tour in June. The church comedy tour is making a run back the first two weeks of June. Yeah, praise God and it's so yeah, come to those. All my dates are on my website, jaron Myers dot com slash shows. 01:03 we record these so far in advance that I don't know which dates I can tell you about. That's why I'm being like a there's dates, you know, but there I promise you they're happening. So June, the church comedy tour, me, Shama, Marama, my good one. It's going to be a really fun time in the summer, so we'll hope to see you there. 01:19 All right. Hey man, hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the third wave? That's I don't even want to do the third wave. What about Ron Jones? Have you ever heard of Ron Jones? Both of these things sound pretty alien to me. Oh, not at all. Here's a big sounds like the guy who like mows yards in your neighborhood for a living. Somehow that's like his job close. This is a picture of him. I'll show you a picture of him. Here's he here he is. 01:48 Ron Jones for everyone listening. This is a black and white photo and a black and white photo. I'm describing it. He, this is clearly like the 1953, you know, just a normal dude who he'd looks like he's mid thirties or forties. Yeah. Probably he's a Mormon missionary. Oh, 02:13 I can see it. I can see he does have the short sleeve button up on the button up. Yeah, you're right. Their uniform. Yeah, you're right. I here he is today. Why do the Mormons get their own emoji? You know, I'm talking about little sources, but I don't think that that was intentional. I don't think that they were like, oh, this is a Mormon. That's a Mormon. No, they didn't say that. They weren't. They didn't say that. You know what they said? This is a, this is a latter day saint. Is Mormon derogatory? They don't like the term they're trying to. They're trying to get really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah. Cause I think it's like 02:42 Yeah, they don't go by Mormon anymore. They go by the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints, because of all the, you know, weird stuff that have like, I don't know if that's, I don't actually know why. I just know they're trying to get away from the world. I have never heard of that. Well, anyways, here's Ron. We have a lot of Mormon listeners and they don't like how many times we've made fun of I'm trying to communicate. I've never made fun of I haven't either, but I'm telling, I'm trying to communicate like, I get your culture. 03:09 I get it. You know we just think you're freaking weird. I get your culture, but I'm gonna be like yeah, so Ron Jones, so right, yeah, so Ron Jones, not a Mormon, not a Mormon, not a one knows out of Mormon, but is a latter day Saint, anyways, yeah, this is you're correct. This is an older photo. Yeah, here's a modern photo of him. 03:36 I love his shirt and here is a of whatever here's a here's a modern phone. Don't kind of that's a two. That's a two tone shirt. That is a good shirt. I will show you that's one shirt on the front. That's a shirt on the back. That's an expensive shirt right there. That shirt that is what's looking at that's a crazy pattern, a crazy back and then here he is doing a Joe Biden impression. 04:05 you can see it. don't know if he's just old and talking guys. It's just a big point that he does. Old people do that. I wasn't here, but all fingers down. They do this. This is how they all old people point. It's all and you can see they're excited. You see that the hand is blurry because it's shaking. Yeah, you know they do it. They go, but Jack listen to your Jack 04:34 I guess we could tell the story. This guy, Rod Jones, he's a teacher was a history teacher and in nineteen sixty seven, April of nineteen sixty seven, they're in the middle of history, third wave. Yeah. And so they're in the first in the first week of April, nineteen sixty seven. He's teaching classes, and a little bit about Ron Jones, Ron Mr. Jones. We should call him because he's the teacher, Mr. Jones. He was he was the teacher that every kid loved to get like he was kind of like the fun teacher who would 05:04 always when he taught, he didn't just sit in lecture and give a homework. Like he did those things where it was like they're like big activities, you know, and it's like you're getting in the class involved. It's kind of like the my captain, my captain kind of teacher, you know, like you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like everyone's just engaged. So what is that from class? Oh, it's the always stands up on the desk. What's that movie called? Oh no, flubber 05:37 What is it? What's a dead poses, head, poet society? Thank you, thank you, flubber, the yours, you're like, I know you're going to able to recall the movie. I just don't know stuff. 05:57 I just said, don't know, okay, whatever. So Mr. was the fun teacher. Everybody loved to have Mr. Jones in class, but it wasn't just that he was just a fun, like, wax teacher. It wasn't like he's like the, I'm the cool dad. It was like he was actually a teacher who taught his kids, his kids learned stuff, but he had fun along the way. He engaged his class. was a good teacher, is my point, the point I'm trying to make. And so in April 1967, they are going through the unit on the Holocaust. 06:26 one student asks him a question that I think happens pretty much in every history class when they go through this unit, which is just like, Hey, Mr. Jones, why did the German people go along with this? Like, why did so many people like fall for this and like fall for what the Nazi regime was trying to do? Right. And so he can erect his brain. Is everyone looking back just goes, no, I wouldn't. Yeah, I would never fall for that. Yeah. And so he wanted to illustrate to his class how it was so easy to fall into. 06:55 like an authoritarian fascist regime. Yeah. And he kind of racked his brain trying to come up with a way to teach us. got to become a fascist. And so he decides he's going to do an experiment with his class. And so what he does is like the whole blue eye, green eye thing in the class. Is that what he did? It's very similar. It's not, it's not, that's not him, but it's actually very similar. Yeah. And so he tells his class, Hey, today we're going to 07:23 we're going to do an experiment sure and it says here's I need you guys to play along and here's how this works. He said if you join in on the experiment with me and you fall online and you follow all my orders and you participate, you'll get an a and he says if you don't participate, if you're not a part of what I do and if you try to rebel, you'll get enough unless you start a rebellion that wins. If you start a rebellion that wins that all good days and you then know you as the rebellion get an a 07:52 and everyone else who doesn't rebel. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. If you, if you start rebelling the winds, then all the people who rebelled, yeah, yeah. And so he says, here are the rules. He said, he said, when the bell rings, you're going to come to class and you're, you're going to sit down at your seats and you're going to listen closely. It's just the normal rules of school. No, says, he says, you're going to come in, you're going to get in before the second bell rings. You're going to sit down at your seats and you're going to sit attentive and wait for me to walk in the room. When I walk in the room, you're going to say good morning, Mr Jones. And then 08:22 Whenever you have a question, you're going to stand up, you're going to preface any question with Mr. Jones, and then you're going to ask your question in three words or less, which is pretty insane. so you get your... Jones, me go pee. 08:41 Mr. Jones, why follow Nazi? 08:49 Mr. Jones. 08:55 This is really hard, actually. I know you really got to think through your questions. 09:01 Is God real Mr. Jones, God's not dead. That's I was going for. Yeah, so everything has to be in three words or less. Okay, and so they came into class that day, came in, sat down, did their seat, took their seats. He walks in and they all say hello Mr. Jones Jones and then they they're doing the thing. He walks up to the white board and I guess it was a chop one at the time. 09:27 he writes on the walls. Yeah, we should do an episode of white boards. When those get invented, I can't think of a better episode of more riveting top. It's gonna be better than whatever we just did a couple of weeks ago. What was the one we just did that was bad? We said an episode that wasn't good, but I don't remember which one it was. don't know. What do you, what do you, uh, oh, Harold Von Braunhut. You didn't like that one. You like that guy. I remember. Yeah, there you go. You got it. So right. 09:56 strength through discipline on the blackboard. And says, we are the most disciplined people in the school and we are going to project that discipline to everybody else in the school. How disciplined we are. Passes out arm sleeves for them all the way. We're going to project our strength to the whole school. And so then he drills them on getting in and sitting down quicker and he times them. And so he's like, we're going to try this again. And he keeps timing them to try to get the fastest time that they can to get to their seat and sit down really, really quick. And this is really all he intended. 10:26 was he said, okay, I'm going to come in, I'm going to do this, I'm going to show them how quickly they fall in line and want to like obey orders when someone like who's very authoritative leads them to follow orders. So he kind of does this whole class, drills them on it, tells them about the strength of discipline and how to get an A and all this stuff. Expects this to be the end of it. Class is dismissed, everyone goes home, he goes home, he sits down and he gets home, he sits down at his recliner, pops a cold one. 10:56 his wife's yelling at him. His kids are crying. He lies up a cigarette. This is an intensive husband or father sixties. He falls asleep seven drinks deep wakes up the next morning. I don't know if any of this happened, but it's the sixties. It's pretty like he dropped his cigarette on the floor. Yeah, his grabbed his wife and got adiously combusted his wife spontaneously, combusted, spontaneously, combusted 11:24 Have you heard you know that you know remember how people used to think speaking of authoritative? Hey, 11:35 I'm going to time you see how long it takes you to sign up for Patreon. Ooh yeah. Time starts. Hey, I'm trying. I'm trying to start the time out. Talking when I'm talking about that. You don't talk to and stop. don't talk when a man talks really hard to stop. All right. I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be joined us on Patreon. I'm trying to be disciplined here or I'll bully you. You better join us on Patreon. I'm going to punch you all in line. 12:05 fall in line this summer at Toyota dealership for the Toyota thought marketing was just being very authoritative. Someone on camera smoking a pipe just buy this Jeep, buy this jam for $28. He asked me to, he's the leader and ask this little question I need to 12:33 I have a few too many words, three honestly dude freaking pretty clutch. Too many words. I have a question and no too many words narrow it down to start with my name. Start with my name. Start with my name. Okay, so he goes home that night before you went off and was hurt. Tangent. Yeah, it goes home that night. I don't know. Does whatever he does at night and then comes back to 13:00 walks in the classroom and the class is all seated at their seat, hands crossed. And then he walks in and they say, good morning, Mr. Jones. And he sees them and he thinks, Oh, they're still doing this. he's like, but this way this is one, this was day two. This is day two. Yeah. So he comes back, he expected it to be a one class session and he expected the message to hit home that class to be like, Oh, we all fell in line. Yeah. Everyone gets in a, but they didn't get it. And like, so he came back and they're all still doing it. And he's like, Oh, 13:31 okay, I see what I have to do. This is how to go, which wife is a teacher. What if now years later this is heralded as this big social experiment that he pulled off in this big lesson that he taught these kids right? Here's what I think actually happened. I think it's the sixties. I think you're a history teacher. I think this group of kids sucks, and so you go hey guys, we're gonna do this experiment. 14:00 where everyone comes in and they shot off and you can't say more like you walk to the next day and they're like hello Mr Jones and he's like this worked. He's like oh so well my gosh he literally is like hold on. I'll be back in a second and he goes to the teachers. Guys guys guys guys guys. You just got to frame it as an experience. You just got to be a dictator. just got to be a dictator. The rule by strength, strength, you're squash descent you have 14:29 Don't let him say more than three words, three words. That's it. Yeah, I found the secret. He wrote a book called the secret and so yeah, he walks in and he sees this and he like stops in his tracks and he's like, oh, I see what I must do. So then he turns and he walks, see what I must do. That's how every life project starts is where one day you wake up and you go, I see what I must see what I must do. 14:57 And so he walks to the whiteboard and quick thinking, like thinking on his toes here, he walks to the whiteboard and on the whiteboard he writes, strength through community. And he says, we have to form a community. And he says, what we're going to call ourselves is the third wave because the third wave in a series of waves is always the strongest. And then he teaches them a salute. And so he teaches them this salute to form a wave with their hand. And he says, when you see each other in the hallway, 15:27 give each other this salute. This is how you know that they're in the group. It's just me giving my heart yeah, I'm just I'm just my heart goes out to you and so yeah. So this is there's been a lot of dramatizations of this cobra. So he teaches them the salute and he says he says when you go around the school 15:51 Give the salute to everyone you see. If they give the salute back, they're in the group. If they don't, they're outside the group. Okay? 16:00 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammar land, use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 16:27 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 16:44 and he says what we need to do is we need to grow in number. We need to help bring other people into our community and he says so go around your school and give the salute people who do not give them the salute, teach them about our strength through discipline right and our strength through community and how that will help them in their life. And so then so now you've got them evangelizing essentially yeah and he says what I want you to do is I want you to now go out into the school and when you 17:13 evangelize to non-members. And then we also want you guys to start designing banners, design third wave banners. He like draws the logo of just like a wave crashing and then puts the word as the third wave around it and says, make these banners, put them up all over the school. They start evangelizing. And so that was the mission he gave him for the second day. at class ends, they go out, they start making these banners. They start putting these banners all over the school telling, 17:41 other kids about them and like setting up tables. And so he comes back, there's 30 kids that are in this history class, right? He comes back the next day and when he comes in, there's 43 kids in the room. And so they've done their job and they've brought some other kids. They've been fruitful and multiplied. Exactly. So he walks in the room and they say, good morning, Mr. Jones. And they're all sitting there at the desk. Well, they're now overflowing, but they're all in there. And he's like, good morning, Mr. Jones. 18:10 And so he walks up to the chalkboard and he read strength through action on the white board or the chalkboard. Now you're to kill everyone who does and so he gives them all member cards and he says he says here's your ID. This is your identification as part of the membership and he says he says continue to spread the the message you're taking actually spreading the message and then he says what I want you to do is if you if there are any students that 18:39 are not abiding by the rules, that are not showing discipline, that are not showing community, that are not taking action. He says, I want you to then report them to me. And by the end of the day, 23 students had been reported as people who were not a part of, or were not following the instructions, not following the rules. And this is now starting to spread outside the classroom and become a thing. By the end of the day, they estimate there was somewhere around 200 kids that had joined the wave, or the third wave. And a kid, 19:08 came to Mr John, which the wave cool name for you and so this is going to be called the vault. Yeah, I was going to be the vault, but we were just talking about how we used to dream of having youth groups. 19:23 Well, my dream was my dream was I wanted to like buy an old bank with tithe money and then put it in the vault. Yeah, so the service was it was in the vault. The youth group was in the vault and it was the whole service, the whole the church. I mean, I guess grown up service would have to happen upstairs, grown up service, the grown ups that would have to have an upstairs to put our youth group. 19:48 would be in the vault because I as the youth master would make decisions on what location we would purchase and I would say I don't care where you guys meet. You couldn't meet in the old bone officer's office will be in the fall. Yeah. 20:04 Yeah, it was logical. Yeah, dude. That's why my youth group, the wave was at the white water. That's where our youth group met, dude. We met at the wave pool at white water and it was no lifeguards because Jesus is my life guard. He walks on water and so my life guard walks on water and every service ended with an alter call. 20:31 and you played let it rain and then we singed it with the way the bully and we put him a little raft and we pushed them into the wave pushed about to see and all of us pre wrote. Look at her chubby little cheeks. You know, look at her chubby little cheeks. You know your eyebrows are bad and then at the end of it, we were like. Do you feel closer to Christ? 20:57 now that we've broken you down to your purest form, you can't be David if we're not your Goliath. That's how we read it. I love the wheat pre-rode. Everybody wrote up flashcards. Yeah, because we chose the next week's like next week's going to be 21:22 thanks. We're going to be Cassie and we're to make fun of her, make fun of her and then every kid came. They read it and then they nailed it to the cross. You got weird eyebrows, got weird eyebrows and what you say you, you have weird eyebrows. Meanwhile, this kid is drowning in the way. No lifeguards. That's the whole Jesus is our lifeguard. Yeah. 21:50 needless to say we're not youth pastures anymore. Did you do a nail the cross night or you nailed your sins at the cross? Not when I was a youth pastor, but I did the tongues of fire when we were when we were in that was like that was proper when we were students. Yeah, I mean it was probably when we were students, but I did it with tongues of fire too, because remember we set the back cross up out back. That's right. Yeah, and we did it for that. You're yeah since the cross yeah yeah. We did it. What's then did you write? I'm probably one that wasn't that big of a deal. I was afraid someone was going to read it yeah. 22:20 lied lying about this lying on this cross 22:34 yeah, that's my biggest. Good thing. Okay, this reminds I know I've said this in the fine, but like the kid at my youth group who and this is one of those moments where I was just stunned as a leader was the kid who was like I cussing up a storm yeah and like all this stuff like he was causing a lot of trouble. I just custom was sorry he's causing a lot of trouble. He's annoying a lot of kids. He's being 23:00 a general menace. Yeah. And then so later that night I was like, man, the way he behaved today is not right. And he goes, I got saved during service. That's all behind me. And I was just like, I mean, yeah man, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. You can't hold me accountable for how I behaved at 4 p.m. because I saved that six. That was afternoon me. Yeah. Christ has entered my life. 23:29 there's two versions of me. There's afternoon and after Christ. So anyway, now we've got like two hundred kids now he's got to third wave, which is my youth group name the way and so a student washes over me. There's now like like a title way 23:53 There are now multiple groups in the school. There's obviously like all the kids who aren't a part of this class that are seeing this and be like, what is happening in Mr. Jones's class? But then there's the kids in Mr. Jones's class that are a part of it. And then there's the kids that have been banished. We haven't talked about these yet. But starting on the first day, kids who had issues with this, Mr. Jones would say to the library, come back. And they had to go be in the library. And if they tried to come the next day, said, no, you're in the library. And he wouldn't let them come to class. 24:22 These were the quote-unquote rebellion and so these are kids who are not part aren't a part of it And he tells the kids in the class if you see some of these kids in the library There's one that wore a leather jacket 24:36 There's one little nerdy kid. There's one real popular girl. I think it was a freak. There's one goth girl. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was a freak, a geek, a jock, a nerd. No, it the geek was the nerd. It was definitely freak geek jock jock. I can't remember where the other two were. 25:00 really pretty girl yeah. What would she be called? I can't remember a prep be I don't know. You know, you know this movie. We're referencing know what we're 25:15 Anyways, so these kids are getting banished to the library and he tells the class, if you see them try to get in, don't let them come in. You to keep these at all costs. Yeah. And they also know, and the kids kind of put this together on their own. The kids say, oh, well, the rebels, they, they get an a if they have a successful rebellion. Oh, that's true. And so we can't let them successfully rebel, which means we need to protect mr. Jones. So one of the students, 25:44 volunteers to be Mr Jones bodyguard and he says I'll follow you around school all day and I'll protect you. They think that the rebellion is going to kill him. I don't know what they thought was going to happen today. If you kill that guy, that's what you know. Someone in the library was like, how do we rebel? I think we have to kill. think we have to kill Mr. Joe, we kill Mr Jones. All right. The other idea is what kill Mr Joe 26:24 I'll do it. I'll do the geek is like no, no, we don't have to kill him. I'll do it yeah, because he's trying to impress that girl and my dad saw my bird house. 26:45 that's exactly what the library was like. I think yeah, I very was exactly like who's going to go is your tents in there. The librarian was like excuse me. That's what you have to that's that's actually why you have to whisper in the library. Now is that the librarian didn't want to become an accomplished to your crimes. I was like please library. hear what you please whisper. Is this the police question me? I can I can say I didn't hear him. I need plausible. I counselor next door who has no alibi 27:15 and is a mandated reporter and is going through something right now. Sorry about your divorce to me. You'll always be divorce. 27:34 What is happening? Our show sucks. 27:41 okay anyway, so you've got your rebellion in the library, the ribon's in the library, but you've also got kids, so I kids who are worried about this kid is like. I want to be your body guard. Well, it's starting to get a little tense in the squash and say the the kids who are rebelling are there starting to be like shouting matches going on that look like they could turn into actual violence, okay, and there are kids who are ministers like hey man. What are you doing and Mr Jones? Like I'm proving a point. He's like don't worry. I'm teaching them. They're learning 28:11 It's this. I worry. Let the wave waves of mercy, waves of grace. The mission everywhere I look, I see your face and the minister is like, what did you just say to me? You came from heaven to earth. 28:42 to show the way from the earth to the cross. My debt. What's debt? To pay. I know, but what was the time for my debt? Was it this? No, that's Jesus. I understand that. But what was the debt sign? My debt. I don't. Yeah, I don't remember. From the cross to the grave, from the grave to the sky. 29:11 Lord, I lift your name on high. That was wonderful worship. 29:20 Rebecca, you stink. You smell like a hog. 29:31 we're gonna. We're also going to pass the plate for offering. 29:47 you were that bit was going the whole time you did the whole thing. I had no idea what you're setting up. Oh, I mean, it's getting pretty tense. 30:00 there's some tension rising in the school sure between both sides of the bike, both factions, but it's also between the kids that are part of the third wave evangelizing because there's kids who do not want to be a part of it. Yeah, like they're setting up booths in the school and trying to recruit kids to it sure and when kids do not want to join, they get aggressive and they block their way in the hallway and they're like surrounding you will join yeah and like basically forcing them in 30:28 and that you need to be disciplined and we're going to show our strength or discipline to you. Yeah. So you join the group. And so it's getting a little aggressive and a little stressful. And so this kid comes forward. He says, I'm going to be your bodyguard. And then a handful of other kids see this and say, oh, we're going to join. We're going to be your bodyguards together. Okay. They on their own, on their own, they escort mr. Jones out to his Volkswagen beetle on their own. They make, he didn't get that. What was the Volkswagen beetle? 30:55 I don't know about did they successfully PR their way out of that? Are beeffully loaded? 31:07 That was a pretty bad movie, yeah? 31:12 Oh, are you talking about the Nazis? 31:24 Oh my gosh, yeah, the first one they go for the Nazis. That's right. was like they PR the way out of it and you go yeah, the her be fully loaded movie. What a disaster for the brand that hurt them better than do when Lindsay Lohan went off the deep end. We were like no her be fully lones fog and she's 32:16 Oh, they should have made her be an honorary transformer. You know I'm that's good. Oh, the movie references are off the charts. Okay, so yeah, so a group of them unprompted did what a group of them that said they were going to be the bodyguards came together and unprompted on their own. These high school students in the nineteen sixty seven. They made themselves arm bands that they would wear with the logo on it. 32:44 black arm bands. They were black okay, and they had the third wave logo on their arm band and they were his security that they called themselves great and they marched around school protecting Mr Jones. This is the third day of the experiment. This is day three. This is day three over two hundred days. They've made arm bands. Yes, yeah and so on the fourth day, which you can also buy killing arm bands on our store. 33:12 He's like, no, what if we did though, you know, that's crazy. 33:24 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. have a mailing list in that mailing list. give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes, we've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of tilling topics. 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This classroom. Yeah. They have school. We they're packing in because they're all like, we're a part of the movement now. And so he comes in and he says to them, 34:44 in his brain. He says I have to end this and so he comes to the and then he gets in front of him and his brain goes you're in charge. Is that what happened? So he walks up to them and he says he says boys and girls today you need to know that this is more than just our school. What was their school called? It was it was because I need to end this guys. 35:14 This is bigger than you could ever imagine. 35:19 because of the work you've done these last three days, the president of the United States wants to take me out. 35:29 that's crazy. He's like walking. This is this is the equivalent of you being like I got to break up with this girl. I got a problem and then you walk in and you go. Let's move in together. Your brain's like no, you're right. I will move into your place. I think your apartment is better than my apartment. Yeah, it's pretty similar. So he comes in, he walks in the room yeah, this is bigger than our school. is bigger than cover Lee high. That's their name of their school cover Lee high okay. 35:58 He says, is bigger, this is actually a nationwide movement. I haven't told you this yet, but the third wave is a nationwide movement. This is happening in schools across the country. There are comparable size, organized groups coming together. And our goal is to create a third party of the American government. That's why we're the third wave. And he says, we have a presidential candidate. I have to end it. have to end it. Exactly. And he says, we have a presidential candidate. 36:28 who is going to step forward and be our representative in this coming election this year. 36:36 I can't remember if there was an election this year. But anyways, he said, next election, our president in the next election. he says, so he says, we're going to hear from him tomorrow. He says, tomorrow we're going to have an assembly. We're going to meet in the auditorium. We're going to have an assembly and we're going to watch a video that he has sent us. And he's going to tell us all about his vision for our country. And he says, continue. 37:05 your work, remember, strength through discipline, strength through community, strength through action. And then he dismisses them. Oh, and he also says, do not let the rebels into the meeting tomorrow. And so the next day rolls around and at 1150 AM, all the students arrive in the auditorium, a group of them block the doors so no one else who doesn't do the hand signal can enter. So everyone's doing the little wave hand signal to enter in the room. 37:32 And they all come in. This is day five. This is the fifth day of the experiment. Yeah. There's well over 200 kids in this room. They come in the room and then he has them kind of do their exercises. So he has this whole group of like 200 kids. He's standing up in the front of this auditorium and they're shouting, strength through discipline, strength through action, all their things. And he's having them all do their salutes and show all the things that they learned and do their like, hello, Mr. Jones, like all this stuff, drilling them to sit down. 38:01 And then he says, okay, it's time. We're going to hear from our new leader. So he rolls the TV, the little TV car on stage like, and this is a 1967 TV. He rolls on the stage. He rolls it on. That's the cart. Yeah. And he turns it on and it's static for an uncomfortably long time minutes of just static. And the whole room's just sitting there watching the static and they're starting to get a little antsy and they're looking around at each other and they're confused. 38:29 And then it's a Hitler speech comes up on screen. And they watch this entire Hitler speech is translated. They watch this entire speech and then he turns it off and he says, this is how the Germans fell for Hitler. He said the same way you all fell for this movement so quickly, so easily is the way the German people fell for what he did. The kids were traumatized. They had to hire therapists for all of them. 38:55 It was 1967. They didn't do that. But the kids, the kids were all traumatized. They all, I watched an interview with some kids who are now all adults. And I just remember looking around and like, except for one of them. 39:13 when you say that we're now adults, except for one didn't grow. We've been studying him for a long time. He's been alive in Chicago ever since yep. No, they they interviewed them and they're like yeah. You look around the room and just just every kid is just sobbing yeah like some kids got up and like ran out of the room crying like it was just like a devastating moment for all of them when they just realized like oh I could have 39:42 done that like yeah, because especially kids like, but most people like oh, I would never do that yeah and then for them to just like in a such a visceral way, realize they would and they kind of did and they were all boomers yeah, and so they so he had like just pointing out the generation that it was so he gave he gave him a them a lecture sounds like it was like bad, but he taught them about 40:11 Hitler yeah from the auditorium that day and then all those rebels in the library got an F because they didn't succeed. 40:20 the and they I've I've seen people talk about this. Those kids had to be insufferable for like a week or two. Oh, I got to share. were just like, remember when you guys were all Nazis, there either Nazis for a week. Wow, here's here's the rub though. Yeah, I always got to you the rub. This had gotten pretty out of hand. 40:45 and it teetered on file. They were like, what about the other schools? It's like guys, they're not. It was no other schools. There's no other schools and they the other teachers in the school were very uncomfortable with what was happening that week. And so it took a while, but a couple of months later the teachers managed to get together and stage their own rebellion. They killed Mr Joe 41:10 took a while because the body guards were gone. The body guard stopped guarding arm band. are gone, our babies are gone. Now's our chance. Get them all the arpids cry. What's crazy is the CIA did it CIA killed Mr Jones, a humble history teacher, no bunch of the other teachers. They had got together with the administration and they got him fired. 41:35 because they were like, look what he did. Like he like manipulated all these kids sure, and so he lost his job and it was he was pretty bitter about it because at the end of the day, like it's one of the interest. It's an interesting thing because this is the sixties and so it's a time where you can kind of get away with traumatizing kids. Kind of yeah, but I don't know. It's just so interesting because like you, you definitely couldn't get away with doing this now. Like you would get in a lot of trouble for doing something like this now sure, but then I would have thought you could have 42:06 but I guess not. I guess a lot of teachers had a problem with that, but all those kids remember this lesson to this day. Probably will never forget that lesson like that was what the teachers were like. They're forgetting our freaking science lessons, but they're remembering this very impactful history. This teacher did too good of a job yeah yeah, and so they got him fired and he was very bitter about it for a long time, but after a few years he was able in the seven needs to kind of get past that move past it and then write a book about that. Yeah, he kind of wrote essentially a memoir and it 42:36 became a pretty well or I should I don't know if it was a bestseller, but it sold well enough to then get adapted into a TV movie special called the wave. Okay. And then ever since then that special was called purpose driven life. Yes, look was just the third wave. Yeah. And then since then it's been adapted into tons and tons and tons of films and movies and plays and all those things to kind of illustrate that thing. So that's what he's made a lot of money on that stuff. Then I don't know. I'm probably I mean he sold the rest of the story. 43:04 Yeah, look at that painting. He's doing well. Look at that phone. He's doing really well. That's a painting. His that sounds like that's either that painting in the background is either ten thousand dollars yeah or his great kid and he yeah one of the two. It's hard. You could never know, but yeah, that's oh, but this is courted phone of the wall. Go back to that courted for my wife. One of those real bad. She wants a courted phone 43:29 that's so hipster that she wants a quarter phone, so that is so honestly though kind of cool, but also well there's there's ones you can you can bluetooth to your phone. That's pretty cool and she wants it in our living room. She wants it's cool, but it's also so lame because she wants to be able to send the couch man. Oh my gosh and twirl they entwirl the cable, you know and like honestly 43:52 Who is she calling that? She wants to twirl the case though. That's so that's you and I talk on my phone enough that I'll probably sit on my couch and be like, yeah, that's crazy man. huh. Gosh. So anyways, they you're in how much day buddy? I already told you, I can't give you any more money this month. Listen, hey, I love you. 44:20 but I have to set boundaries here. No, no more, no more. All right, I'm gonna read you the note cards. 44:32 Your hairline is receding. 44:38 Your tattoos look stupid. 44:43 my parents support us on patreon. I'm drowning on the other line with my air pods in 44:56 you wear Casio watches. 45:01 it's been adapted a thousand times, but by the end of it, their school was covered in and I'm pretty sure these are from dramatizations, but covered in these banners that students had hung up around and made themselves and to try to get people to join the movement and my favorite adaptation though is the German adaptation and two thousand and eight. They did an application of this. I was gonna say I think they did it in nine thousand and forty four bro. No, no, no, no, 45:30 but the the German attitude adaptation is the wave. It's just called the wave. Yeah, but in German that translates to die well, which I love. I well, I think that's just such a hard like die well die. Well, that's cool. That's really cool. So live fast die well. Yeah. So this is the story of Ron Jones and his third wave movement. Pretty 46:00 Good lesson, I think. I wish teachers could traumatize our kids today. think it which is listen, we've tried to we need to come up with a hand signal for telling followers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but we've been trying like you should. You should be saying fiddle off to people in public. Yeah, if you see them and if they don't say fiddle off, beat them up, beat the heck out. Tell them to comply. Comply, say fiddle off and if they act confused, yell comply. 46:32 The next episode you're going to watch of this show is mouse utopia comply, comply, comply, mouse utopia is an experiment where a guy had a bunch of mice and he was like, you know, with the fat ones bully the little ones. It was a kind of weird thing where it was essentially was like with. Do remember it? It was essentially like would if we fed these ones more than than these other mice, what would happen? It was a whole 47:02 social experiment among these mice very, very is a really good so so that's available to you in next week's episode is available right now to our patreon supporters, patrons away to help us grow the show to keep making episodes and you get early access ad free discord with us and a lot of our other fans get to make some friends centered around the show. So we hope to see you there. If not, thank you so much for being a part of our show. Things are last night is an evergreen podcast. 47:30 and that means we're on the evergreen podcast network and also that we're never gonna die evergreen. We're here forever. So when in doubt comply comply comply comply comply comply comply

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00:00 Hey, this is things I learned last night, a comedy podcast where I teach this guy about stuff today. We're learning about Dr. Bronner. So Dr. Bronner soap is a soap bottle with 3000 words, a manifesto, if you will. Dr. Bronner, not a real doctor escaped Nazi Germany, came to the United States, sold his soap and this crazy life message. So the soap and a dream. Yeah. Don't worry about coming to my shows this month because Easter is super late. Easter is April 20th and like I don't do any shows the month of Easter because churches don't do anything. So 00:29 We're just hanging out all they do is Easter. If you want to support what I'm doing, you can listen to this podcast more and support us on Patreon by myself. 00:39 Can we put soap on our store? Do we need to check? I think we can. I can we sell. So anyway, here's the episode. 00:49 Hey man, hey, what's up, dude, geez, hey man, I yeah, what's oh yeah, you're right. Okay, hey man, have you ever heard of dr Bronner dr Bronner dr Bronner? Okay, not to be confused with dr Bronzer. I was just gonna make that joke thing. It yeah, it's great hand kind of sewer. I'm not gonna lie that thing where like you know how 01:12 it was this the tanning beds thing. Yep, yep, Where people would put like a little shape or something. Yes, I did that in high school or in middle school. Well, maybe it was high school. I did the Batman log on my chest. 01:34 I hate that, but it was like it was. had that WD J D necklace and so it got seared into my skin. It's still there, actually there yeah okay. Anyways, here's the deal. If you look at look at this guy and tell me he doesn't look like he might be a spray tan guy. Oh yeah, yeah, he looks like he's manually doing this spray tan bed. This is a real picture. 02:03 This is not like someone made this out of a bag. All right, so the background is space. This has nothing to do with space. I mean potentially I'm going to be honest with you. There's something I'm going to read later, but this guy's got the big goggles for audio listeners. He's got the big black goggles like it'd be like if you drew a mad scientist. It is very like holding hydrogen peroxide for some reason. What's he gotten? Yeah, here he is. Here he is again. Yeah, did. Wait, did he create and then we've got another one. 02:32 okay, he looks like a bond veal and dude. Honestly, those sunglasses are pretty freaking sick. Wait, what was the last picture? What's he holding soap? All right, he's got a lot of it yeah. I'll you what he doesn't have a lot of body. doesn't have a lot of body. That was so he's so skinny and scrawny doesn't have a lot of body on him. Yeah, it's a nice nice soap little body okay. 02:59 So this guy, Dr. Bronner, I'm not even going to bury the lead on it. He came up with, I shouldn't say came up with like invented or I guess, yeah, invented Dr. Bronner soap, which you probably guessed given his name. These are their soaps. You might have seen these around. They're kind of like, it's like hippie soap. Okay. And so here I'll show you what the here's what the bottle looks like. Just an insane wall of text. He'll soul and the 03:29 the the soap bottle is covered with these messages okay of like it's like a sermon almost, but it's not like oh like his soap cures depression. I saw yeah that on serious. Go back to that image. The look depression, the silent killer. I see him saying that from back. Okay, you get your eyes fixed dude. Okay, so you get you see this this column over here far left. There's post traumatic stress. 03:59 What substance use end of life anxiety? So this here I can read it to you. I can read it to you. I have the whole transcription pulled up over here. This guy, what he has like this, like I don't know even what to call it. It's called 18 and one hemp peppermint pure cast style soap. So it's like it's like very stereotypical, like hippy soap is like what when you say hippy, do you mean like 04:29 What do mean? 04:32 like super natural L M kind of crap. No, it's all no, it's super natural. You can only get it at like natural grocers, that kind of vibe and like everything. There's like no parabens, like only like seed oils and hemp and like all the like natural ingredients now. Oh, whatever. Okay, they know seed oils then so it's just got oregano in it. Yeah, just a hundred percent pure oregano wash my hands and liquid oregano liquefied. 05:00 Yeah, that works, but this bottle my contact solution this bottle. I don't think we'll read the whole thing in this just read the headlines, but I'll read some of the headlines, so it starts out real subtle at the top real. So it says the second coming of God's law and then it goes through and it kind of talks about his teachings. 05:22 and the ABCs of mankind Christ or Doctor Bron Dr Bronner okay, and so he's got these moral ABCs and they're supposed. It says these are the moral ABCs. They're supposed to unite okay, all of us. It says six billion strong be kind. I don't think you know 05:44 and so here's there's a list of the what is this? Eighteen ABCs, and it's so here it says. Let's see what I was a good. What's a good one to start with? A shark can only love its friends lacking frontal lobes. It must avoid avoid fear, smear, hate, slander, 06:13 dominate, dictate, distort, destroy anything that it does not know, understand or disagrees with. That's a shark. But a human being possessing the kingdom of God's law, the ASEAN moral ABCs of the free within his frontal lobes and worked hard to teach his friends and enemies the moral ABCs. Otherwise that being is not yet human. Do you remember I told a story on this podcast one time 06:39 of the guy at my Starbucks who told me he can summon the lightning with his feelings. This sounds like the book that he was writing. You know saying like this is the kind of stuff that he would be like, I'm re you know, he would always have these gigantic books on the table. Yeah, that he's like writing. He's doing this writing and this is what I imagine he's writing where he says sharks can only be friends with loners. Sharks are actually like 07:07 I'm a shark typing and then he puts it all in a chat. He we T he goes, hey, remove the weird stuff about me being a shark and then like that's how it gets to the good nuggets. You know, a lot of people don't know that, but the sort of amount actually is that 07:31 Here's another one. Here's another good one. It says he who risks his life teaching friend and enemy. The moral ABCs uniting all mankind free wins eternal life. He who does less than that perishes by half truth strife like that. That one rhymes yeah. This soap brand what dr Bronner says out loud a lot is that he does a minute shush. Hold on 08:00 It says it. It says help heal PTSD, depression, end of life, anxiety and addiction. Yeah. Who knew you don't need a 12 step program? You need to use this soap. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Okay, so he constantly said that the point of his soap is not to sell soap. 08:30 It's not like he's selling soap and then he's like, I got this room on the label to get my message out there. His point of selling soap is to get his message out there. says, oh, I can, everybody needs soap. And so he's like, I could sell soap to anyone. And then while they're in the shower. 08:49 they can look down and see this label and I can look assisted therapy was recently granted breakthrough designation by the FDA for use in treating PTSD and major depressive disorder. 09:03 this guy's promoting shrooms. I can't believe you can read that from here. Is this about shrooms? I mean shrooms are adjacent. This is a shrooms adjacent topic. This is a lot of there's a lot of adjacencies to this topic actually sure. So Dr Bronner, he was born a manual Bronner and 19 oh date 19 oh eight in hell, the brawn hellebron 09:33 how he'll hail brahn, hail brahn. I'm sure it matters a lot in Germany. He is of Jewish descent and his families or his family owned a soap shop in their hometown. They made Castile soap, which is like a special kind of soap that's made special, special kind of soap that's made from olive oil and it's supernatural and it dates back to like 10:02 The time fifties yeah, no, it dates back like genuinely like to the beginning of time. Yeah, like in and the Levant. You know where that is pop quiz. Where is it? France close now like the Middle East and so everything's Middle East. His family like it's like a family recipe that's been passed down for generations making this soap and they sold this open their store. He 10:30 Obviously grew up around it, grew up learning how to make this soap, but he wasn't like, I want to be a soap man. Like that wasn't his thing. He didn't want to be a soap boy. Soap boy. And he had, uh, what's the word I use? I want to, I want to make a musical. I want to make a soap opera. 10:53 someone just so know, in our new studio, the other side of this wall is somebody in a counseling session. There's a perfect like a licensed professional counselor has the next room over win. Choose that that's not our fault, but somebody somebody's going through a divorce on the other side of this wall and 11:19 And we're making silver operating. We're ruining their place of musical. You know, did because the counselor is going through divorces and so it's like someone's going to divorce here and we're ruining their business. 11:33 I see what I did there. I see what you did there. Yeah, it really sucks that if like if you're a counselor and then the person that you're counseling, they're telling you about their problems and you're like, I wish I wish this was my wish. was my freaking problem. You're like your life is so much worse and you're like, that sounds really bad. I wish you had that sounds oh gosh. Yeah, but anyway, there's a counselor on the other side of that wall. He had differing 12:02 political opinions from his family and he had one nine to eight at this point. He's going to be what I mean he's going to be a kid when World War one is happening, but World War two runs around. He's in his thirties. He's an adult and he had pretty strong opinions about what was going on in the world because he's from Germany. Which where did he? He was very anti Nazi, but his parents were. I don't want to say sympathetic because they weren't, but they were, they were saying like they were 12:31 behaving as though it was all going to be okay. They were like it's they were they were just saying hey, this is all going to blow over. It's not going to be a big deal and at the end of the day we have to a lot of people did yeah. They said we have to put the sign on our door because if not, we have to shut our business down. Yeah. Yeah. And so like and the manual, I mean we just got to, we're just doing what we to do to get by and then it'll all be over one day and exactly. And so a manual argued with his parents all the time about this for years. 12:59 they didn't get the message eventually he moves to the States. He sees what's coming. He moves to the States and their relationship kind of deteriorated in the process. They had so many arguments about it. Like they kind of stopped talking to each other when he left or shortly before he left. And this experience was a formative experience for a manual obviously. And as that story, well, the last thing, 13:28 he ever heard from his dad was a letter he received that said, you were right. Cause they ended up getting picked up and they died in gas chambers, both of his parents. And this experience- Incredibly sad. Yeah, incredibly difficult experience and a painful experience for him and created this, I think he had this like worldview before, but this- 13:52 catapulted it and made it like a really strong thing for him. Sure. And so when he gets to the States, he's looking for something to do. He knows how to make that would break anybody. Oh, I think so too. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And so he's living in the States. He needs to find something to do to make a living. He knows how to make soap. So he starts making soap and just selling. So yes, but he's still like, in. Imagine 2025 being like soap for sale. So 14:20 You know, I mean, I guess there's people who do. There's one lady at the farmers market by our house who sells some kind of thing in a jar. I forget. Oh, you know what it was? It was a jam. It was a jam. It's something in a jar. It's a jar. It's jam. You know how much each jar of jam is? What? $28. It's our game. Yeah. Well, that jam better pay my rent because you ain't 14:51 Hehehe! 14:54 when you think my landlord listens to this. Your landlord doesn't listen to this to know you don't pay your Actually, I don't think they would notice, to be honest. There was one month where I only paid half of it. No, because, okay, because the way that the... It was an accident. No, was with Zelle, you have a daily limit and my rent is more than the daily limit. So I had to two. It's so annoying. But anyway, so I forgot to pay the other half on time. But then half of the month I texted, was like, sorry, if I to do that. And I sent it and they were like, all right, cool. 15:25 Why are you? I was like thing. I shouldn't have done. I should have just not left it just yeah, because got sixty something properties. You're not keeping track. I have no idea what's going on here. Interest. So that's why I quit paying. That's why I stopped and they haven't noticed yet yet. You're going to fly over one day and you're going to be honestly though. What's the worst is going to happen? Yeah. The worst thing is you get evicted. Yeah, and I'll start selling my jams. Yeah, you start selling jams outside the farmers market. 15:56 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 16:08 We do monthly hangouts. do. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:40 Connor, he started selling soaps for a living and kind of the same thing you were saying. Like he was just going outside stores and just like you guys want to buy some soap farmers, Mark, just had a box, a soap, a soap box and he would just hand out the so jacket and then some soap or and then but he was still passionate about his worldviews and so he would take a soap around and he'd sell soap and then he would stand on the street corner and stand up on his soap box and yell out his and preach. is this what 17:08 I'm pretty sure this is where I like tried to figure out if this is where it comes from, but I'm, think so. I can't find any verification for sure, but he in like the mid and this would be the forties was standing on a soap box, soap box corner and preaching his, his message, his beliefs to the streets and it started to catch on and it became something that was spreading like wildfire around the country. His beliefs about the ABCs and morality and essentially and it's kind of wild. 17:37 for him to believe what he believes because he had seen really the worst of humanity, like first hand. But he still believes that all people are fundamentally good. And that's his message. And his message is we're all fundamentally good and we should people are not fundamentally good. 18:00 Yeah, yeah, they're not jam session is a bad name for things. I agree. There are so many more people who suck than people who don't and that's what you need to learn about the world. That was his point was all people are fundamentally good. They just need to be taught how to be good. No, sometimes the all people are fundamentally bad and so he was teaching you agree with that. you believe that? I don't know. All people are fundamentally bad fundamentally bad. Yeah, I don't know. I believe I think I think 18:29 I think everybody's fundamentally good, but I think everybody's also fundamentally, or I think it's more likely for people to behave selfishly, and then they do things that harm other people because they're being selfish. And so it leads to those places, but I don't think their nature, I don't know if I would say their nature is fundamentally bad. Interesting. Jesus would disagree. 18:59 anyways, so he would go, I just say he would go and he would start at a baseline that we all suck that we're all bad. Then that is the baseline of the gospel not to be preachy hour here. Well, call on into eight three three four truth and we'll put you on air. I mean, if we're getting if we're going to get technical, we were all fundamentally good, but then there was the fall 19:27 because evil entered into our hearts. we're not, no, we're fundamentally good, but we're broken. And because of that brokenness, and so God restores us to our foundation, which is fundamentally good. We're going to be really technical. Well, that's what I'm wondering. That's what I was asking. I don't know. One of us has a theology degree and the other one still follows Jesus. So what do you want from me? know? Anyways, I pray for you every day. 19:56 is okay. Do you want to repent on this podcast? Get out of here. We get a whole episode about remote viewing and I don't know if you guys know this, that Tim hasn't repented for doing that, so that's why his finances are bad. 20:13 Yeah, God cursed me for it. Dr. Broder would stay on the street preaching and his message started to spread like wildfire across the country and a bunch of people started to really believe this stuff. And he kind of had this really loyal following people who were pretty committed to his soaps, but also more committed to his message. And so much so that I believe it was in New York, let me see, Chicago. 20:43 In Chicago, in 1946, there was a man who, I guess, believed in the message so much, he wanted to like, I guess as a form of protest maybe for the way things were functioning in our country and to like show like, this is the way we should live our lives. He decided I, stay with me for second, I'm going to crucify myself. 21:11 And so he set up a cross on the street corner and he had someone legitimately crucify him, like nail him to a cross. And he had like a sign that he was he had a sign that he put up basically like in support of the moral ABCs. And he was like, and I, I don't understand the way his brain got there, but he did it. And the police, got him down. ended up surviving. They showed up and they said, get that guy out of here. And they 21:41 you know, pulled it, pull him down and he said no, I'm gonna, I don't know how that happened, but he survives and aside by crucifixion is in that same nuts. I don't know if he was trying to die. I don't, I, I don't know if he was trying to die, but he wanted to be crucified to send a message and I don't know what the message, what elements of this message are that 22:11 like what are the key? There's not an obvious connection. There's not an obvious connection. Okay, this message to crucify yourself. It was someone who was following it. That was like I really believe in this. Okay, I'm going to take a stand. I think I'll crucify. So what do they believe in? What are the ABCs then the more ABCs? It's it's what I was reading from the thing earlier. It's it's that all people are fundamentally good. Sharks are fundamentally bad. Don't be a shark. You know stuff like that. Yeah, 22:37 and this guy was like sharks are bad ting ting ting. is this is this is the soap opera. Sharks are bad ting ting ting, because now it's now as other hand. you're right. It's like what am I going to got to choreograph this thing? I definitely mess that up in his mouth out wow, so he 23:05 he survives, but now all of a sudden a lot of like people associate this with fanatics. Well yeah and they and they think Bronner is teaching people to do this stuff. So Bronner gets on like a government like a hot seat kind of yeah it's like it's like oh you're causing trouble and so they end up actually yeah that's true admitting him into a mental hospital, dr Bronner dr Bronner and so he ends up in the Elgin mental health center, which is an Elgin Illinois outside Chicago just there Illinois. 23:34 outside. Well, yeah, what you call it Egan, why'd you bring that up and he spent great show by the way? Thanks for asking. I did. I'm sure I asked you. We talk all the time and one of the things I ask most commonly was how was the show? We don't talk all the time. First of all, our wives would disagree with that. I do feel like sometimes you're just at your house and you're like ha ha ha and I you're not even on the phone. You just think we're talking 24:04 and like because Breeze called me and she's like are you in the phone with Tim right now and I'm like no, I'm kayaking and she's like what he ever I acted your life when we're not talking on the phone me and that's what I'm saying. I think you're either talking to somebody else or you're talking to yourself. Am I do you exist? Can you edit me out just like fade away? We'll just take a solid shot at the end of this and I just just talking 24:33 I'm just sitting here being like, do you, do you see him? Do you see this guy? Cause I do. There's somebody here. So he's at this mental health center here and this is 46. And so this is when mental health was not good. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you sneezed wrong, they were just like, you're good. We're going to kill you. We're to put you on so many meds. Yeah. Is that what they did? They put them on meds. They put them on all kinds of meds and then they put them on shock therapy. 25:00 And when he got on shock therapy, he actually, this is also the stuff that like people are, that wasn't that long ago. I know it's crazy. It's crazy. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bonkers. Cause yeah, like our grandparents were alive when this stuff was happening. Yeah. That's hard to, it's sometimes when you think about it, cause the history books put them all in black and white. 25:26 so that way like distances us from it. Yeah, I saw some other day. You know the Rosa Parks died in two thousand five yeah yeah, but it seems they they make it seem like it's so oh yeah. That was a long time ago, but it was pretty recent. That's because they're really they're embarrassed. They're ashamed of how right was they really did it yeah, but anyway, so the shock treatment had a pretty bad effect on him. It actually made him blind, so that's why he's wearing the really cool sunglasses. Oh, he's because he's blind. 25:54 so you let me make fun of a blind guy for the first five minutes of the episode. I didn't let you make fun of him. You thought he looked. I said he looks like he's inside the standing bed booth. I said he looks like an evil scientist and then you reveal later by the way that guy's blind just a blind. All right, 26:24 so I sock dude, he's just one make fun of a blind guy. I almost said that about those glasses. How do you see through those? Those are pretty, you know, he does it. He doesn't need to 26:43 ha, holy the bad friend dude so funny well and he got shot because he took his eyes for granted. did take his eyes for granted. 26:56 and so after the shock therapy started, it's crazy. He actually escaped from the health center and so he got out and he hitchhiked to Los Angeles. Okay, he restarted his soap company in Los Angeles, in Los Angeles from Chicago, from Chicago. Yeah, and this was the what is this the fifties the fifty sure, so that was like prime time for hitchhiking. Oh, hitchhiking was what I was thinking. Well, I mean you because people were road trip 27:25 That's true. Yeah, people were road tripping and people were just too trusting back then. You know yeah, we didn't know about serial killers yet. Yeah, true crime hadn't started yet. Yeah, that's I mean I would have had happened. Yeah, true crime had happened, but it wasn't like sure a form of media that people can see. Yeah, yeah, I wonder at what point people started with like realizing it's like the seventies later, seventies people started to be like. yeah, that's when all the planes started crashing. Huh? When all planes started crashing, what do you talk? What? Well, in the seventies, all the planes started crashing 27:54 and so people started realizing oh it's a dangerous world out there. Oh and the tv was like oh people really like watching tragedy and then they were like let's find more tragedy. I don't know dude you're one that's hurting a bunch of tragedy on tv and then everybody freaked out and then the lead was in the air and then everyone's brain was in the air. He's man okay so he hicks to Los Angeles and restarts his soap company sure and so he still wants to get his message out to the world. 28:24 but he realized oh, I mean that was dangerous apparently yeah, and so he starts just printing it on the soap bottle sure and obviously and for him the way he spoke to his employees was we are not selling the soap. The soap is a vehicle yeah for the message yeah we're using this to get the message out to the world and they end up growing selling tracks essentially essentially to his beliefs yeah and so they had 28:54 grown this company to a multi-million dollar company. It was like a very successful company. He lives out the rest of his life being a quirky dude. Like obviously he's taking pictures like this intentionally. the soap, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so like he's just kind of a quirky business owner, does business very differently. Yeah, he does business a lot different than most business owners, has a lot of success throughout his life, ends up passing the company onto his son, 29:23 his son passes it on to his sons who go by the names David and Michael. Those are their birth names. They go by David and Michael Michael's the president and his brother David when Michael became the president, he became the president in twenty fifteen. Okay, he when he became the president, he promoted his brother to the title of CEO, which is not the CEO you're thinking of. 29:52 It's actually Cosmic Engagement Officer. 30:06 and they there two rolls. You see the life leave from my body. If we could just like I don't know in slow mo that just like the cosmic engagement officer, you can literally see me go okay. There are two roles are very like they could not be more 30:25 different. I yeah it's kind like what we do for the business. You do all the business and then I do all the energy stuff, the energy stuff. Actually, that's really a bring in the vibe. I'm just here for the vibes man. Oh yeah, that's our cosmic engagement officer. You put that on your taxes 30:44 you know, say I mean he probably has to. I think that is that a thing you can choose on linked in. think he, I think he has when you're signing up for Google Workspace and it says which position are you in the company? Do you choose cosmic engagement officer? Yeah, that's what he does. They the brothers, they run this company together and they are they are like they are actually running the company right right, but they there are two roles are very different and I'm going to I'm going to show you 31:13 there are photos you're going to know who they are. This one is Michael Michael obvious president. Yes this one is David. 31:28 This is what my grandma means when she says those people. 31:38 you know, I'm talking about yeah, yeah, my grandma has with my grandma's rush limbaugh filled nightmares are full of this guy, that's it. So he's the cosmic. If you're an audio listener, imagine the biggest stereotype you can think of for a Portland barista. You know I'm saying like literally like think. No, I'm not even joking. Yeah, you're listening. You're like oh, he'd be wearing 32:07 cat ears. You're right, you're right and you're wearing peacock pants. You're right. I fingernails painted, which there's nothing wrong with being this person yeah yeah exactly exactly, but he yeah he's living all the shirt. is wrong is being this person and making more money than me. That is wrong. You know that's what's wrong and so that's what I get mad. So they split it up here. Here they are with their mom who 32:36 is the daughter of yeah and his mom made him wear that normal shirt for their pictures yeah yeah and so their roles they're split. They Michael obviously is running the business and then and then and then David is just sprinkling oregano over a little board, a picture of the business and going. David's job is to help make sure they 33:03 maintain the identity of the business that their grandfather started and so like it's the activism is that's another thing. You could have a really good vision for your life and then you could have a weird grand kid. You know I'm saying like you pass down your life's work and then he's like hello and you're like that's not what I talking like that. 33:27 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. 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It's actually really hard to not join it so 34:27 So David continues the legacy when they when their grandfather passed on the company, it got to a point where the label now has three thousand words on it and they had they've had to change it to five point five font to fit everything on that label. Did you find a bottle of this somewhere? I have not now here's a picture of one. You couldn't go out of your way to try to find this. Okay, what do you think I've got nothing to do? Yeah, you don't have a kid yet, but 34:58 he can he's continuing the the energy and trying to keep this like the activism front and center for sure. And so for example in during the war on drugs, I should say this is late war on drugs. This is mid two thousands. Okay, okay. Marijuana was obviously legacy. Marijuana was obviously illegal and that's by proxy. Hemp was also illegal. 35:26 and they used hemp in a lot of their product products. Okay. And so in protest, David went to the D.A. the like national D.A. headquarters and planted hemp seeds in their front lawn. You got arrested for this. Hold on. This picture. Why does he look just like the QAnon shaman? 35:52 you know who I'm talking about. I don't know who that is. You know exactly who that is. January six, the guy that wore the buffalo head thing. Oh no, I mean they do look. They do like vaguely similar, but they don't pull that picture back up. He looks like no, no, does not here. I'll show you him. Okay, I don't know if we could. I we might get demonetized for putting this guy's picture up here. So here's him yeah and then here is that guy. It's a different guy. 36:22 Very clearly a different guy. Well, yeah, because you got the face paint and the but you see what I'm saying, though, right? You see what I'm saying. don't see it at all. You don't see it at all. I don't see that at all. All right. Yeah, do not. But yeah, so he plants the hemp seeds in that. I'm just saying those are like literally like the stereotypical of each side. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they are the person to me. I mean, I guess that's fair. Yeah. So you got he got arrested for this. 36:51 he also rest of her planting him yeah, because it was possession possession of illegal substance and then also planting still legal substances on the de. Oh, I was just being Johnny Hemp Seed got arrested. He also got arrested for showing up on also shout out to the dea for only being open Tuesday through Friday from ten a.m. to four p.m. 37:18 yeah, that's pretty funny. He also went to capitol time. They wake up in the morning, get to work on time, capital l and he caged himself with a bun with four twenty a. That's what time they wake up at four twenty a. You're right. He caged himself. I think it was on Capitol Hill with just a bunch of marijuana way over the limit and so I'm already in jail, so they're in a prison of my own making, so they had to cut him out with the jaws of life and then arrested him. 37:47 And so Michael has this joke he says a lot. says, you know, he said, travel a lot for work. go around the company. The company is now a hundred million dollar company. And it's like, we're all over the country all the time, like doing business deals and things like that. And he says, when I travel, I like to stay at like a nice hotel. When my brother travels, he likes to stay at jail. 38:07 but it's kind of true. He does a lot of these protests and he gets he gets booked a lot and that's kind of like you know that's the vibe that they got. That's the business that they like to run is a business where one of them gets arrested and I'm just taking care of business and he is a felon. So what are you in for? I'm here for business. You're on a business trip. Oh, do you know the Wi-Fi password? Yeah, 38:37 getting arrested and asking the guard, what's the Wi-Fi password? So not only are they like kind of radical with their activism, but they're radical with the way they treat their employees. 38:53 they have a me. They're spiking the coffee shrooms every morning. Yeah. What if we just end right there the radical, how they treat their employees? No, they they were really early to providing like health care and dental and all that stuff to their place. They were early to that game, but their health care package. I don't know exactly what it is, but I did see a like a documentary about their company and in the documentary, their their H R rep 39:22 for them said, we actually, every year when we renew our health package, the healthcare providers that we use say, hey, no one else does anything like this. Are you sure you want to do this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, we just provide so much in terms of healthcare for our people. Sure. They also cover all 100 % of childcare, but then probably one of the most significant things that they do 39:52 is they cap salaries for leadership five to one. And so their leadership team can only make five times the lowest earning person on the team. And see, that doesn't make any sense to me because as the CEO, chief executive, chief, Oh, I thought you meant not cosmic astronaut or whatever, engage as the CEO. It's not that I'm managing the company. 40:18 Yeah, it's God's company. Oh my God, I'm just mad. I'm just yeah. So you're going to take all that money from God. So what are you calling God greedy? You haven't seen that Dave Ramsey clip. Yeah, so if so, if for sake of now you're calling God greedy, I freaking hate that guy. All right, so for sake of easy math, if the lowest 40:43 paid employee on your team is making fifty thousand a year. You can their executives can only make two fifty. That's the cap and so if they want to make more they have to raise their lowest employee salary. It's like a fundamental thing in their company and so the people by default get paid very well because they want to get paid very well and so do that. They got to increase that lowest salary. Am I going to work here and so they based in Los Angeles yeah and so 41:11 What if I just pulled out my phone and it was like, so yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, Just keep doing it. You just call it. You're like, Hey, I'd like to interview right now. Career, our family. Oh, interesting. Red flag. is a pretty big red flag. Go to our job portal. Yeah. Their turnaround is historically very low. They have double digit years that most people will stay with the company for 41:40 10 years plus because it's just such a good work environment. People, they make good money. what was said by multiple people in that documentary about the company was the employees say it's not just that they like the benefits are good and the pay is good. It's that those things show that they actually value us as people. Like we're not just here to make them rich. Like we're here because they actually like we're doing something together. Like we're all part of this. 42:10 it's it's interesting. They they're they're very big on all their philanthropy stuff. They're very big on treating their people people well and they've got some kind of crazy foundations from the crucifixion of some random stranger started at all. Who would have thought that faith? I don't think that started it. Do you think that started it? Well, I mean really he was if it wasn't for that guy, 42:40 getting crucified or crucifying himself, he would have never got admitted into the mental hospital and he would have just continued selling soap to survive and then going and preaching his message. Okay, but getting admitted in the present in the mental hospital changed him to where now he just sold soap to get his message out there. So change his messages that he had a fan who crucified who tried to crucify himself. Yeah, and then that's what jump started his stuff. You think that's the message? I don't think that that's the message. I'm just thinking that that's 43:10 part of the story and that's a fundamental part of the story. Yes, yeah. Imagine being that influential though. 43:21 Imagine having that kind of influence. 43:28 to help our show grow. We just need one of you. We just need one. Just need one brave soul. God, can you imagine if it happens and then they play that clip on the news? 43:47 Please don't. I feel like we have to say the official position of this podcast is that you should not crucify yourself. Wow, that's crazy nuts nuts. So yeah, that's dr. Bronner. I feel like we should try to find the bottle so we can read this soap label somewhere. I mean I've got it on the internet. We've got it literally right here. I know, but I'm saying like look, it cuts off at the bottom. Like I want to be able to read it on like. I feel like we can find this soap somewhere. I mean we can read it right in here. If you can keep your head 44:16 If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting to if you can wait and not be tired by waiting or being lied about, don't deal in lies or being hated. Don't give a give way to hating. See, I'm not that that's where the sentence ended. That whole thing was one sentence and I'm going to be honest. I don't know the point of that sentence. 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Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, welcome to things on the last night. Quick listener note for this episode. This is one that we recorded three years ago and it was supposed to release on March first of twenty twenty two and then a couple days before release, Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine and so we thought that was in poor taste to release an episode about Putin in the middle of this and yeah, especially like in the height of the 00:25 of that yes and especially considering this is a comedy podcast and we joke around. There's a lot of bits and jokes in the episode yeah and we didn't feel like it was appropriate appropriate at that yeah yeah, but now it's been a while and it does seem like a lot of people maybe don't know the history or how he came to become the dictator of Russia and so we think that might be an important thing because you actually do learn all the stuff in this show. 00:48 And so even though this is three years old, so obviously the past three years is an included part of the end of the episode. We do talk about what his vision was because he hadn't invaded Ukraine at that point when we recorded and we talked about, you know what he look like was happening. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we hope this episode gives you a little more understanding of what's going on in the world. And you know, it's a, it's a good episode. And so we're releasing it three years later. 01:15 And I think that it's going to be informative. We hope it's informative anyway. So, but also it's a comedy podcast. So have fun. Enjoy this. Also, I feel like it should be said that the official position of this podcast is that Russia's the bad guy. And then if you find yourself being like, maybe Russia's not the bad guy, you're wrong. 01:41 Like this isn't one of the things where I'm willing to be like, it's nuanced. It's not. It's not. So, at all. It's not, you know. So anyway, you're wrong. And if that angers you that this show is explicitly anti-Russian, I just want to say to you and your little bot friends... So, this is the episode. 02:13 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Vladimir Putin? Oh, oh my goodness. I have wanted an episode about anything else. I have been asking for just I specifically said don't do an episode about Putin and here we are. You've been asking for an episode about blue. I am super curious yeah. You know I don't know how 02:43 good. The main thing I'm curious about is the pictures and you know what I'm talking about where he said no exactly. We'll about it. We'll talk about okay. It's just like what's that him trolling was that serious like that's the main thing that's what's got that. You know I just you know is Vladimir Poon and AI he might be he could be honestly. I think you're going to be surprised how much we're going to talk about aliens in this episode. Shut up. Are you serious? No, not at all. 03:12 my heart dropped. I was like gosh, of course it would be all right. Well, I tell you what we do. We do be putting on the theme song, so go ahead and roll that real quick. 03:28 back. We like how corrupt you were. Would you like to corrupt with us? I'm just doing that so we don't get killed. I'm saying it's possible. They're like we're Russians were better than them. Just fight them. If a man is standing in front of flames saying that I'm going to shoot all of you, I don't even need to see a gun either. I'm out. Yeah, I did. Yeah, things I learned last night. 03:58 so so our pal Vlad, not our pal, we're not friends of them. I we should edit that part yeah Vladimir Putin. Can you guess his middle name? Oh gosh, Igor, nope, hold on power, no good guess, control, good guess, also a good guess, money, good, great guess. These are great guesses. What is it? His name is his full name is Vladimir Vladimir, O Vich, Putin, 04:31 You picked the wrong time to take a sip of water. 04:40 honey. That is a great name. We should do it again. name is Vlad Vlad. Are you kidding me right now? Vlad Vlad Putin, Vladimir Vladimir, a bitch, Putin, 04:53 Okay, you can pick. You can pick his first name. If I get to pick his mail, I get to pick both both my name. This is Jaron Junior. His full name is Jaron Jaron. We legally change our last day to Jared, so could be Jeren Jeren Jeren 05:18 My hope is that when I'm a ghost every time someone says his name all up here, yes, he said my name three times you summoned me, you summoned. I don't want to answer phone calls from now on you summoned so Vlad Vlad Vlad Vlad was born in nineteen fifty two. This is okay. Here's the reason I was really interested just before we get into the whole episode. 05:43 is that I when you think of like dictators or people who are like in chart be insane people in roles of power, like I guess my brain is just like they just been there forever. Yeah, you know yeah, but our old Vlad didn't rise to power until like the two thousand something. Yeah, I mean he has been there for basically forever yeah, but not forever. You know right, but I'm saying like yeah, I'm interested in how he became 06:10 go ahead yeah. So we'll look at look at his story Vladimir, but a lot of time on how he got the where he is now his dad, vladam, vladam dad, a mere dad, a mere and his wife. It gave they his dad's name was also vladimir yeah obviously, so yeah. So vlad was born in Russia, 06:39 and during the Soviet Union era, it was born fifty two Soviet was pretty big at that time. They were yeah, they're pretty popular, yeah, really popular. Everybody was talking about them yeah, and he as a young child was weirdly interested in being in the KGB. If you don't know the KGB is basically their they sell cars. 07:10 he was like that website can look at a car, tell you how much it's worth. I want to be one of those. I want to be that website. No the KGB was basically the Soviet Union CIA, but if the CIA was really corrupt, no so yeah exactly the same, but the KGB was like the CIA. If they were 07:31 bad at covering up what they're doing yeah. The KG is at least good enough that the only people who realize are like people who can't spell in the YouTube comments. That's that's when people who know what the CIA is actually doing right. The KGB is the CIA. They just got caught, so yeah, they're pretty accurate. He really, really wanted to be in the KGB and so at the age of young age from a young age at the age of sixteen, he actually went to the local KGB office and was like. What do I got to do? 08:00 to be in the KJB off it or KGB or like be one of you can. I want to be like you. How do I do that and the guy I want to be like you? No, no, no, no, want to walk like you talk like you too yeah and the guy said murder people, but the guy away with it. But now the guy said go to law school, never come here again. I said yeah really yeah, so 08:29 so Vladimir said okay, so he started planning his journey towards law school. Meanwhile, his parents thought he should get involved in extracurriculars for a few reasons. One, both of his siblings died and he was pretty distraught of what different things. Okay, there's not really they just died, so both of his siblings died obviously very traumatic. He was left as the only child left in the family. 08:58 his family was very not well off. They shared. They shared an apartment with six other families really yeah, and he talks about killing the rats in his hallway as a child, so where where does he talk about these things in the phone interview with him? He's her mom yeah. I mean, he's book. He is he's the president, one of the largest countries in the world, like obviously he talks about things sometimes okay, so we've got record of it. 09:26 so yeah he yeah he used to kill the rats and it's always well in his teen years his parents want him to get involved in boxing and during his first match he broke his nose and was like I don't want to do this anymore and so he's actually more like I don't want to do it, but yeah yeah I get it, but ironically somehow he discovered MMA, which is very similar and was like I want to do that yeah he's like boxing too many letters. I like KGB and MMA 09:57 you can't abbreviate boxing. What am I going to call it be box? I just want a box to work, so 10:12 I didn't say it out loud because I realized it still work. You went for it. You for jumped into it. Yep. How do you think it's spelled B O X? Yeah, thanks for asking so he got into M M A and this explains a lot because he dove in hard and loved it and so Putin is just an M. bro, those weird ears 10:37 is he got his cough or he doesn't he does it look at a picture of him right now. Is he your top background looking down? I changed my background for this episode, so he got it really in a ma. He got really in an mma, so he he became a full and they bro was all about it got sponsored by monster energy in sixty eight, but it is in sixty eight, so he's still sixteen yeah he's young and he did this for years went to law school 11:07 and then somehow I don't know how this happened because his advice was go to law school, never come here again, but he made it to the KGB and so he gets hired and that's what they told him to do. He's like how do I get here and they said never come here again and go to law school and he did it and they were like hey. He did what we said, call him, didn't even have to graduate, just went to law school and they were like yep, yep. This is what we wanted you to do. 11:37 so anyways, so he goes to law school and then joins the KGB and in nineteen seventy five he joins the KGB and so he was KGB and and like the height of the KGB stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and he wasn't he wasn't like a like he wanted to be like an operative like overseas, like doing yeah real espionage stuff. He was like I would like to MMA my enemies 12:06 I joined the KGB so I could him and may my enemies. I don't want to box them, so he he never got to do exactly what he wanted like any real serious espionage like he did like so low level spy stuff like like they were like hey your neighbors a little weird. Can you watch him for a few days and let us know what this is back before ring doorbells? So like they just had to pay people you know like I pay the guy outside my apartment. I couldn't afford a ring doorbell, but I can pay that guy 12:36 he's out there with his iPhone and every time some weird walks by, he sends you a text of the motion at your front door. 12:50 the door dash guy drops off the food. He's a right. Thanks. I'll let him know and then he knocks on the door and goes do do do's 13:03 you open the door like thanks Reggie Reggie Reggie the Reggie my ring door. What 13:20 so he KJB for a while yeah. I keep saying KJ KG KJV he KJ Ved for a while and it the majority of his time he spent posted in Dresden, East Germany, okay, and so while he was there he was he had an undercover identity as a translator, so he's translating in German for people, so recover them didn't actually know how to do it. It's like 13:46 as long as I'm confident about German speaking German in Germany, no one will notice nine yeah. 14:00 so he he was posted there and it was kind of just like I don't know. He did a lot of paperwork, some low level spying yeah crazy. He did have one big moment though at the fall of the Berlin Wall. When when the wall came down, he was posted in Dresden Germany and there was a lot of people suspected that their office was a KGB office and so the locals came with a disguised as a translation office. Yeah, they were translators 14:28 welcome to the local train. What do they just go like we need this translated? 14:35 Oh, that was before Gula translate like you had the be a local mom and pot translator yeah as I'm serious. Is that a thing? I don't know. I wasn't alive. You're store for a translator. Maybe I want you to go down to the five and dime. Give me some give me some English and a sort of pop and then also but you get this translated while you're down there. I'm looking to sit get some German yeah and then like 15:05 if they translate German to Russian, do you to go to a different store for this translated to a different language? This is serious. This is a complex scenario. I don't know the answer to this, so if you do leave it in the comments below or leave a review about it, I don't know how much demand was there. You had a storm front 15:31 here's my guess. Evidently not much because everybody knew it was a KGB office. Oh for sure, so when the best one I'm saying that's what I'm saying like these guys are obviously rations. Someone came in with a pop up translation desk. It's like it's like walking downtown and seeing an information desk on the sidewalk. You're like that's suspicious. This is not good yeah, so a bunch of like a riot formed outside of 15:56 their office when the Berlin Wall went down. They're like we know who you are yeah, and so they called Moscow and they were like hey. We need some help. These people are freaking out. There's like four of them there like they expected nothing to happen in this town right, but the wall went down and so they but Moscow was like now we think you guys can handle it. Moscow was like speak Russian. Moscow was like. Can you go to the local translator and translate this message? 16:25 we can't understand you, so they they moscow was like. We think you could handle it, so there's an angry mom outside for a view. I don't know what are you didn't one of you be a mma fighter or something like that, fight him or something. They're like we're russians were better than them. Just fight them. You'll win. That's honestly probably what it was. That is word for word the phone call. So here's what happened. Putin was in charge of this branch 16:53 right, and so he ordered his team to burn all their files. So in the back room they just caught all their files files on fire, just in case whoops. He went outside by himself and went to the crowd and said if you don't leave, we will shoot all of you. They didn't have a gun. He just went outside and confidently said if you don't leave, we'll shoot all of you and everybody left 17:18 What were they even say? Where do they they come? Where do they come from? We know who you are, translate this gun. You will be to the wall is gone. You get out here and then he's come that goes. Hey guys, if you don't stop, I'm going to shoot every single one of you. It's like all right. I think I got somewhere else to be convincing, saying German. Can you translate that translate that to German? 17:48 We don't understand you. 17:54 Yeah Yeah Yeah, so that's a he just confidently yelled that to a crowd of people. Yes, if you don't leave, I'll shoot all of you and while fire is happening by in the translating, so it's like you know what I think I don't even need a translator for this message. I get it so so if a man is standing in front of flames saying that I'm going to shoot all of you, I don't even need to see a gun either. I'm out yeah. get it yeah cool. 18:26 so so the brother wall goes down the Soviet Union falls his fingers in the jacket like a gas station robber. I'll shoot every one of you 18:47 I'll do it! 18:52 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 19:04 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 19:37 okay, so sorry, the visual yeah yeah. That's pretty funny, so yes, I left and then they had to leave the translation, so they can't go back the next day. No, no, no, yeah. They went home. They went back to Russia shortly after land lord, though you show up to your building the next day here. Okay, what happened here? So the brother wall falls shortly after the Soviet Union falls yeah and the KGB gets shut down because what happens is Russia gets reorganized and they adopt democracy 20:06 really because the west made them yeah. They say like they say you're a democracy now, okay and the KGB gets shut down. So now right that is looking for a job fly, fly, fly, fly, fly, that's looking for a job very, very angry because when the Soviet Union fell a bunch of Russia became new countries that are not Russia anymore and so they're like all this our land mother Russia. It's not you know that stuff they say 20:36 you know russian stuff. Yeah, I look at my nesting dolls. You know Russian stuff. 20:48 So they so he goes back to St. Petersburg, which is this hometown Florida St. Petersburg, Florida 21:10 go ahead. Gosh, that got me really good, so he goes back to St. Petersburg, and something interesting happens here. He goes he this is his hometown. Yeah, it wasn't. It was Leningrad when he was born, but now it's things Petersburg because you know, so it you didn't sure it's gone, so he he like he became an advisor of the mayor of the town. 21:38 how that lined up. I'm not really sure the mayor spoke German, so he needed a translator. Oh you're from that change leader office, dressed yeah. I remember that you shot all those people. I said I would leave, but I didn't didn't they left, so he he became their advisor and in a strange set of circumstances. He went from what year is this 22:07 this is nineteen ninety okay. He spent some time as the advisor went through this really, really weird political legal scenario that kind of led to his the mayor getting in some serious hot water for some like fraud type stuff okay, and he helped him and his family escape the country blad did yeah. 22:35 glad glad help the may yeah escape the can get out of the country okay. Well, the mayor was tied really close to the president of the country and the president was like things like doing that yeah. That's pretty cool of you. You want to come work at the would you like to advise me as well? He was like you want to come work at the Kremlin, which is the White House. They call it the Kremlin right and so he did so he came in in ninety six as like a low level advisor in 23:04 the Kremlin and worked his way up, which sounds I've always thought this to sounds evil. You know, like it just let's analyze the word. Let's be criminalin yeah. That sounds very that sounds criminal like well. I was even that I was saying. I was thinking maybe it's just I think Grimlin and they did that on purpose to they hated the Russians for sure right, but it does sound that sounds like Kremlin 23:33 sounds like there's like a sketchy lamp on the street and a spooky looking goblin thing yeah is called a crimlin yeah yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, it sounds evil, sounds very evil, so anyway, that's what they call the administration. He works his way up the political ladder there okay ends up becoming Boris Yeltsin, who's the president in the late nineties yeah like his right hand man, but 24:00 only in like how not in title, but in like just so he's helping the mayor escape the country. That's an illegal thing. He was already doing something sketchy yes, so then if you're working your way up through already corrupt yeah, everyone's like hey, you were pretty corrupted. We like how corrupt you were. Would you like to corrupt with us? 24:28 Yeah, that's pretty accurate. You corrupted 24:34 high corrupta, so so that's what I'm saying is that if corruption brought him into the circle, then more corruption is what advances him in the circle. Yes, so assume we can assume yes. Meanwhile, he so he becomes Boris Elton's like right hand man only in like action, not in title like he's still kind of a low lever level advisor in title. Boris Yeltsin was an incredibly corrupt politician and he set up a scenario where 25:03 he honestly kind of farmed out political leadership of the country to the seven wealthiest people in the country. They called them the oligarchs and they were the billionaires in the country that basically made all the political decisions for the country, which is the same as ours. We call ours the olive garden. 25:20 once a year, one year, the CEO of Olive Garden, Tim Cook, Bezos comes out of his or cave, and if he sees his shadow taxes go. 25:39 well, the olive garden gremlin saw a shadow looks like I'm paying more for my house this year. I guess yeah yeah, that's pretty accurate so so so very corrupt president right yeah and things were starting to catch up to him and it looked like so corruption. Was it being hidden well enough? Yeah, they weren't. They weren't hiding it yeah. I mean they weren't to begin with, but it wasn't being hidden enough to yeah like you guys aren't even trying anymore. 26:07 and some of the things that he had done were starting to come to light and it looked like he was going to face the music per se okay, and this very strange set of circumstances unfolded starting in about November of nineteen ninety nine that unraveled really quickly okay, so Boris fired his Prime Minister and replaced him with Vladimir Putin. What role would he is a Prime Minister in Russia, basically Vice President? Oh okay, so he fires his 26:38 prime minister and puts his literal number two yeah and then puts Vladimir Putin in that role from so Vlad Vlad Vlad jumps from like whatever low position advisor role nobody knows who he is to now he's the prime minister yeah of the country and everyone's like who is this guy? Nobody knows who he is. He's my server at all garden once don't worry about it at the end of December abruptly. Nobody saw this coming for us. He all yelson just steps down 27:07 he yells and I hear as a he yelled something Boris yells. No one saw this coming. No, Boris, he said just resigned, making Vladimir Putin the president in December of ninety nine in December of ninety nine. That's what I'm saying, and so he just became president overnight. Well, the elections were coming up a few months down the line about four or five months down the line. Okay, in two two thousand 27:38 flad becomes president two months later, a series of bombings happens around Russia that get traced back to a group of terrorists and Chesnia, which is one of the countries that used to be part of used to be part of Russia. Yes, so Vlad as acting president takes and this was this wasn't like a like small, but like three hundred people died like it was a huge 28:07 yeah geopolitical event and so Vlad swiftly like the next day sends a massive military force to Chesnia and just declares war on them annexes it and takes it back for Russia and she comes Russia's hero and so two months later when open elections come, everybody votes for like it's a landslide like ninety percent of the nation votes for flat. There was a thing that was a little. There was about nine people 28:36 who ran in this election and ninety percent voted for him yeah, because we think that was legit. was the hero, so there has been a lot of talk about what happened here. The theory is that Boris knew he was in a lot of trouble and he knew that Vlad was corrupt and was a good friend and would protect him yeah, and so he fired his Prime Minister, who he didn't trust put Vlad in that spot step down so Vlad could become President and then 29:05 then they and then a bombed and blame so that way Vlad could go invade and become the hero and become president and the first thing that did was grant him amnesty and so oh yeah it's it seems very likely that that's the scenario well, especially now with even more hindsight of like the past you know twenty something years of who Vladimir has shown himself to be yeah we go. 29:31 Oh yeah, I bet you now, but that was just totally legitimate in the year two thousand okay, so that was a lot of independent sure studies have happened to say that that was not the case, but that didn't happen, but anybody the accident anybody anybody who has tried to study into this within Russia has been imprisoned, so there's a lot of things that point to that being 30:00 pretty pretty planned out you know or to if we did a benefit of the doubt scenario right, Boris steps down lads in power now and there's hoping that he wins the election. Yeah, you know, but then the bombing do happen. It is let's say it is yeah, you know and it's just kind of like a oh that was just you know, but it's super convenient that they capitalized off of the disaster right. Yes, yeah, also possible 30:30 all he said now with enough time to do a campaign. If there was going to be one yeah yeah, so he becomes legitimate. I'm just doing that, so we don't get killed. I'm saying it's possible it's possible. If this is our last episode, you know which one you know what happened yeah yeah. Go on down to the translation office, so you can understand that we're on your side yeah. Just Google Translator 30:58 I'll find you the nearest translator. 31:08 so Putin does his first presidency and it's totally legitimate for your term like right and for the most part he does a really good job like being a politician. Everybody loves him and he does a really good job swaying opinion to where everybody continues to love him. Okay, he did do a couple relatively sketchy things. For example, one of the oligarchs in a meeting was 31:38 he was a little bit more western mindset than the rest of oligarchs. The rest of them were much more eastern and he in a meeting with the president basically voiced his opinion that they should try to steer away from the old Russian ways. Vlad is a very much Soviet Union, KGB kind of mindset right and so that guy went to prison for fourteen months and his companies got broken up and now he lives not in Russia has come out of prison and lives somewhere else, so 32:07 somewhere else. So yeah, he did some so some things, some sketchy things, but by and large like did a pretty decent job being just like a normal relatively under the radar president. That's just being political right sure, so his second term comes up for renewal and he wins that presidency again, and so he's president until two thousand and eight during this presidency. What he does is he started this political process to extend the term limit 32:37 from four years to six years, which passes. However, it passes so close to the next election that they say okay. The current president can't do it neither can the following. So the press after that keep will then have a six year term on sure, so that would go into effect in the twenty twelve election is the idea, but they had they also had a term limit of two terms, so lab in two thousand and eight 33:05 he at the end of his second term at the end of his second term. He hires a plastic surgeon to change his face completely and he starts going by his middle name. 33:25 Vladimir, you can call me Vladimir. You know for short. 33:38 but I am running for president. I have a totally different guy who's never been president in this country before, and if you have any questions you shouldn't. If you have any questions, I will shoot you. 34:09 I have 34:14 my gosh, so so who does he hire? So he hires a prime minister, Dimitri Medvedev, a comedian, 34:28 he has a prime minister, Demetri Medvedev and starts gruelling him to be his replacement, and so in two thousand and eight he was successful. Demetri won the presidential campaign, became the president of Russia. Okay, Demetri names as his prime minister Vladimir Putin sure and Vlad continues running the country. Yeah, you know. I mean every it's kind of conical to watch the speeches 34:58 the presidential speeches during these four year term because they literally walk out together and then Vlad waves to everybody like he's the president. It's pretty wild to watch these things because he just puts his hand up there and you just see Vlad's mouth kind of moving just and Demetri is just like I am a man, you know 35:25 I'm a one hundred percent real human, a real boy and so it's pretty wild, a realistic literally walk out together and then like the wave and it's. mean Vlad is the person that everyone's everyone's taking pictures of flat and then and then just points to the mic and Demetri walks up in front of him and he just stands right next to him the whole speech and then they walk out together. It's like really weird and if he says something glad leans in and just 36:04 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 36:32 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 37:04 and so he's effectively president still yeah in two thousand eight yeah in two thousand eight and here's the thing about Russia. There is no limit to how many terms you can run as president. You can only do two consecutive though and their democracy. So in two thousand twelve Medvedev doesn't run yeah so Putin runs and then Putin wins by a landslide again because he still had like decent political 37:30 influence over the country and also he just stood there for four years. People are like I feel like if I don't vote for this, I like this guy. Oh, he's told me a lot. He's told me a lot that if I don't for him, they'll shoot me and I don't want to everyone. I want to. I've never seen him with a but I have to stand in front of a fire, so so this unlocks he is six year term. Yes, so now he gets to be president until 37:56 2018 where there'll be another election and he can run for a second six year term in or something different than so this is this is really interesting. So does this term this term is where things start to get really interesting for Putin and you start to see his KGB history really blossom yeah. It was 38:20 it exist his first two terms. think he was playing the long game back then his first two terms. There was propaganda. There was the state controlled all the media sure, but it wasn't like it wasn't obvious this term Russia starts, you know, do she in yeah Russia starts. I don't know influencing overseas elections online and doing all this espionage proof. They did that huh? 38:50 there's no proof. They did that they they start doing all this stuff that everyone's chasing back to them yeah that are like oh this makes sense when your president is a former spy yeah like a really corrupt organization like that. Of course he's going to do spy stuff and that's what their rationale was like he's just spying yeah. What do you expect? You expect a spy not to spy spies will be spies. I know it yeah. 39:17 think of him as a rain doorbell in front of our nation right, and now he starts getting really aggressive towards the post Soviet states, all those okay, the land that they lost in right so we Russia and so the biggest one being Ukraine, which is actually becoming a thing again right, and so he's annexed through this term. He goes to war with a lot of these nations and starts annexing land back into Russia successfully and so 39:48 he's pretty clearly on a campaign to get Soviet Russia back. Because I mean, he is one of those people who was a part of it before and he's trying to get his land back, you know, and anybody who stands in his way as an enemy now. So a lot of the Western world is an enemy of that cause and he is doing this almost psychological warfare as his spy background trains him. 40:12 and is in a background. They're really into cyclone or f really in the you got it where the head goes, the body goes yes, yes, yep, you know and so this a whole new side of Putin comes out and he starts to seem a lot more irrational, but his early terms. He actually had a lot of western countries that were willing to ally with his playing politics before he was he was and now he's like I'm in charge. He's like he's like I I'm good. I game the system. I gave myself a six year limit yeah 40:42 I was not president for four years. He was now I've I've established myself and I can get away with a lot yeah. 40:50 and and then things start getting crazy like he starts like well. I shouldn't say he starts all signs point to them starting to kill like anybody even within their own country who go against what they say. So like news reporter is people in their staff like so now there's no opponents seriously dying yeah. While twenty eighteen rolls around, I should say during this first term he passed 41:20 or no is the second time so twenty eighteen rolls around. He runs and wins because it's crazy like he has a really high approval rating in Russia yeah, which is probably real as a pro, an authentic metric yeah and their elections are probably totally authentic as well. Yes, so he wins this election right after by what margin a significant. I don't know what margin but significant wins this election 41:50 and after the twenty eighteen election, he passes into law an amendment to the constitution, which changes your consecutive term lent from term limit from two terms to four terms. So now the rest of his life he could now it went from his second term was going to end in twenty twenty four and he was going to have to do some weird prime minister thing again. If you wanted to stay in office, but now he can stay thirty six till twenty thirty six 42:19 with his moments as long as he can win the elections, which I mean he will, which I mean 42:30 He will. All right. Vote for me or I'll shoot you. With my very real gun. 42:40 but so yeah, so some very I'm saying like what is so why you know like why? Why does everyone fall in line with dictators? I guess you know the murder yeah suave. I don't know like they're convincing. They convince people of these things. Here's the thing here's. Here's what's becoming pretty clear. I watched it. I list a podcast about this and they talked about how they said Russia is failing at democracy. 43:10 but maybe that's their goal right right. They were like because then the other side of propaganda is democracy doesn't work look yep. You know they said they said they're very much succeeding as an autocracy and what it really seems they're to show russians that democracy doesn't work yeah yeah and that's why they're trying to do. They're doing smear campaigns on the United States yeah to make it look like our democracy doesn't work. You know trying to convince their people so that way 43:40 then and that's what's super hilarious to not hilarious. It's actually terrifying and it's you ruining my life, but it gives me a lot of anxiety, but when people share very clear propaganda yeah and it's the people who are saying that all the rest of us are falling for propaganda yeah. This is where I go. Oh boy yeah and that's what scary is like view of propaganda is if you're going to do it like be. I mean at least be good at it. I said this before thing yeah. I know 44:08 Yeah, at least I am falling for some crazy scheme. At least they've done it well enough that I don't know yeah that I can't pick up what's annoying is whenever you're falling for a scheme that is very obvious to the rest of us. If you're going to if you're going to fake something at least be like I don't know little Michaela and do it well yeah don't be like essential oils where it's like the rest of us can tell oh my gosh, you know. 44:36 it looks very clear like the situation we're in is Vlad wants to restore soviet Russia and so he wants to restore it away from democracy back to what it was before and then get all the land back and the invasions that he keeps mounting are pretty clear evidence to that sure and the just political control over the world that he has is 45:03 is scary. Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty staggering yeah, so yeah, but a little bit about the guy. He does have two daughters. He was married, got divorced in twenty twelve 45:18 you cannot. You cannot do a whole episode about his political triumphs and then give me his plenty of fish profile at the end. All right, he's got two daughters. He just really loves you know mountain bike. Here's what's interesting. Here's what's interesting, though. There's this is interesting. Nobody knew about one of his daughters until the divorce. They knew he had one. No one knew he had the second to the divorce and then the divorce paperwork came out and it had like the the visitation rights and everyone's like what you have a second daughter. 45:48 and he he was like he's like my personal life is no one else's business and he's done a really good job hiding his life from the world. That's crazy, but he also has this whole side of him of his personal life that is very public curated and it's very interesting because he he'll go do these mma tournaments where he's beaten some dude down and there's a really great photograph of him that comes out of that. Do you think 46:15 hey, so I mean at that point and this is this analogy tracks all right. He's Harlem globe trotting at the MMA fights. You know I'm talking about. He is paying somebody to be the Washington generals to just take a beating and he's like spitting basketballs, just knocking him out at the same time. You know the refs are in on it. The whole thing's rigged yeah. Actually, Harlem, yeah and he's doing this too. He's going hunting 46:44 and he's posing shirtless like flexing with a tiger like and it's just one of his aids and a tiger cost or he'll have like a giant his coat pointed toward the tiger. I'll have this big fish or there'll be pictures of him on his Harley and it's like he's always got these like photos coming out over the weekend of like what did Putin do this weekend and it's like oh super manly stuff. It's like oh he read he is he is constantly a men's conference advertisement. 47:15 Yeah, actually, because it is like he's always straight list. He's always like doing something like camping or fighting something or riding his motor cycle. He straight up does have a thirsty boy tender profile life. Yes, yes, he's got the pit. He's got the fish. He's got the picture smiling with his family minus one daughter. You know yeah he's got that. What's that? What's that? What's that book? 47:45 it's got wild in the title and while the heart yeah, while that heart he's wild at heart. If a dictator did it, you know yeah, dictator art, he's wild at heart. If the people who read it had as much influence as he does, so yeah very much trying to portray this public persona of a man's man, mainly strong, powerful yeah, because he wants the world to think that that's who he is. 48:12 right and his people to think that's who he is. So he continues to get voted president, so that way he can turn Russia back into the Soviet Union. I think that's his goal. I think that's his whole. Do you think he's setting up stuff for when he's done or when he's gone? No, because actually he's been asked about that, so he's not he's not training a successor or anything like that yeah. So they asked him. They said they said. Don't you think you should start a succession playing because he's like seventy five and he said no 48:40 No, he's literally said if he said if we're working to find a successor, then we're not working and so and so he is actively working. Here's what I think is the reality. There's somebody he has for when he dies is God and he he hasn't told anybody the bear. He's just going to put a bear in charge. 49:07 that or he's got like some crazy scientist like figuring out how to make him live forever. That's also probably true like and I mean he's he's super rich. He's got or he died fifteen years ago. It's just an AI running the whole thing. We don't know if I it's a bot, not a he's a bot Vladimir button. That's what it is so yeah he man, the more the more I read about him and learn about him yeah. I realize 49:37 he's really kind of just honestly, and this is going to be weird, but stay with me here. Okay, taken to as a person like a movie sequel, the movie take a sequel. Yeah, the sequel that's a form because in taken one out of let me summarize the plot. If you don't remember, it's been taken one Liam Neeson started gets kidnapped. She needs well she gets taken she gets taken. Sorry I got to use the right way. Thank you is branding 50:06 so his daughter gets taken. He goes and he kills everybody was somewhat closely involved in yeah the interaction and gets her back and taken to the family of the people who lost loved ones to that was like we need to go kill this guy okay, and so then they try and he's he's gets away. He gets away. Putin is the family of the people who Liam Neeson killed 50:36 okay and Liam Neeson is the West. The West came in and destroyed the Soviet Union and okay and is like I'm he just out for revenge. I'm going to get out for political yeah and he's like I'm going to restore soviet Soviet Union to its original glory. We're going to get all our nations back on our land back. It's going to be all soviet Russia and then everybody who made this happen is so he's a scary man. Hopefully he doesn't make it through all of his four terms coming up because 51:05 he has pretty much on brittle control over the nation of Russia right now yeah and is starting to gain pretty much unbredled control over the populace of a lot of other nations because of his usage of the internet and bots dead internet, Russian internet, Russian internet theory wow so scary man kind of crazy the way he rose power. I don't think he ever intended it. I think it was an accident 51:34 you think he accidentally just got into power yeah, because because because after after the Soviet Union fell, he got that job that was kind of just like well. need a job now and one thing led to another and he got to save that guy and that led him into the White House of Russia and he got close with Boris and Boris used him. You know, I think there's a part of this whole story that you're missing. What is when with the mayor 52:02 the reason he was connected with the mayor is that he gave the mayor's children fiddle lessons and now he goes back and they have a fiddle. 52:19 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. you liked it, you can watch next week's episode right now over on Patreon. Our Patreon supporters get all sorts of great perks like the every episode a week early ad free. They get access to a discord with our hosts and our producers and a whole bunch of other great perks and different things that make it worth your while. 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00:00 Hey, the government figured out mind control and they use this one weird trick to do it. Yuri Geller was an illusionist who claimed to the very end that he was not an illusionist that he really did have special gifts and he was CIA certified like they were studying him and the CIA was even convinced that this guy is legitimately doing these things yeah yeah hey it's a March twenty fifth. What do you got going on nothing? 00:25 Sweet all right. Well, thanks for checking out. Okay, so this is things on those nights comedy podcast. It's an evergreen network podcast. You can check us out there, but all of my shows are in jerryminers.com slash shows. We're getting into Easter. It's the time of the year where like I maybe stuff will pop up. I usually don't have a whole lot till after Easter, but after Easter I do have pretty busy schedule, so come hang out. 00:48 Hey man. What's up? Hey man. 00:52 Have you ever heard of Yuri Geller, Yuri, Yuri Geller, Yuri Geller? Yeah, yeah, hurry. It might be early, Yuri, early. I think it's Yuri, Jerry, Yuri, Yuri Geller. Have ever heard of him? No, we've actually talked about it on this podcast before we have. Yeah, we have, but we haven't done an episode about it. He's Ross's brother. 01:16 Yeah, close. Here's a picture of him. Maybe this will help you. If you see him, maybe you'll know who he is. Ready? 01:32 blocking out the haters. Here's another picture of here's another this point out. I don't know if you can tell he's a big guy. I hold on to that. Let me say that again. I don't mean it's a big spoon guy. I mean like he's he loves spoon. He's a big spoon man. Why I'm trying to put together why we would have talked about Yuri Geller before 01:57 Cause he loves... He loves spoons. This guy must love spoons. 02:08 Okay, it's picture guys. We have so much. Let me show you another one. This one might make you help you get it ready. Yeah, 02:25 Oh, are you faking it? Do you know what this is? I know I what if I show you this one been the is he an illusionist yeah yeah yeah there you go, there you go, yeah you're catching on you're catching on he is 02:38 okay, here's the thing he's not and he doesn't brand himself and as a losing an illusionist, he's a psychic. He is a psychic sure, so here's the story of that guy drives around in a car covered with spoons. 02:56 My favorite thing about it is it's not even like a great car and I think it's a hearse dude. You think that you see this skull on the front? I think that's a hearse. could be a hearse. That's kind of that's kind of freaking actually covered her soon. Her's that's kind of cool. Here's the thing though. I'm not sure like if the spoons on the sides. I don't know if those are real spoons like that might be like a like a rap. I mean obviously the top. Those are definitely spoons. 03:23 but like I'm saying, I definitely sticking off the side yeah sure yes. I don't know because if you look at the front by like the by the headlight that looks like a rap. I don't think so. I don't know anyways. This guy he's the spoon guy. He's the guy who made the spoon bending thing a thing okay. So if you don't know Christian illusionists do this thing where they all hold you hold hands like four people 03:46 and then they do something weird to the for the first person's hand. They go and the spoon bends in a bag for hands away kind of thing and they open it they go. The only illusion is the illusion. The devil sold you when he told you that life was going to make you happy, but what's going to make you happy is following Christ. The true illusion is following for the sins of the world. All right, 04:13 that's what they do. I don't know they they spin it at the end all right. Oh my God, speaking of spinning at the end. Another thing is artists love to paint and they spin it upside down. It was Jesus the whole time, so maybe that's if you turn the car picture upside down, it's Jesus. Don't do it. Get out this. Move on to the next bit. Okay, why are we talking about this guy pretty interesting stuff? You know he's an illusionist. He does the spoon stuff and 04:41 He married this girl and then he died and that girl died in his house and that's kind of it. Oh, remind me to talk to you about that at the end of the fill. Of course. Yeah, of course. So Yuri started his 04:57 life as a child and he was a grade school. He had a he had an experience and so here's what happened. He was he punctured his tongue with a fork and said never again ever again. Well, I touch one of these and so instead he just damaged spoons for the rest of his life. No he he had a moment. He was at school and he was on the play playground and you know plan and then he looked and then something got his eye 05:26 and he looked up at the sky and it was a silver flying disc and he said in that moment he felt this connection to this dead serious. He felt the connection to this disc. No, it is he felt the connection to this disc and he has since talked about this experience as an adult. Okay, and says I don't know what exactly happened there. He said I think it could have been a few things said. I think it could have been my mom and dad were fighting the night before and I just needed a reason to carry on 05:58 okay, that I got made fun of in the class right before that and I just really needed a reason to feel special. Okay, I could have been 06:08 that I was getting shipped off to a church camp I didn't want to go to that summer and I was really afraid that I was not going to make any new friends. But then when I got there, I met this counselor and he was like, you're going to fit in great. And then that counselor was actually really mean to me on Thursday night and kind of forced me to go forward and raise my hand and say that I accepted Jesus even though I didn't really feel anything. And he stood there and made sure that I spoke in tongues. And I was like, I don't even know what this means. Then he was like, you just got to do it. And I was like, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he was like, that's ASMR. I'm not falling for that. 06:32 and I was like stupid a by and he was like that's the Lord. He wasn't and I'm the thing played with that guilt and so I just needed a reason to get out of this world and so I imagine that a spaceship is going to come and take me away to playground and then so that's probably what that was though. That was one of the things he said and he said or it could have been or it could have been or a alien. Exactly yeah. He said it could have been aliens and they could have been trying to communicate to me and that's what I felt and he said or 06:59 it could have been or one of my classmates was trying to steal all the snack cakes from the cafeteria and I was just creating a diversion. So I said look at that big thing in the sky and all the speakers came out and everyone looked and I was like whoa, but I then me and my buddy were actually sneaking into the cafeteria to sneak all the food and then years later there's a documentary being made because this whole class saw something in the sky, but really it was just me and my friend who made it up the whole time. We're like yeah sorry we made that up. Sorry you flew your documentary crew to Africa to cover this and then we looked at these two identical 07:29 hand drawn dry and we had to watch this podcast or be like look how different they are even though they're the same drawing. You don't talk about yeah, so it could have been that it could have been a he said or it was was that that was the psychologist. What was his name? He was a psychologist who 07:52 believed the kit. Oh, that was about the psychologist because he was it was one those ones where I bait and switch to you. had a toral totally normal. That's right, psychologist career and then all of a sudden he got into aliens. Okay, so anyway, this one's not a bait. This is where we're starting. This one's reversed. Well, I'm going to start with aliens and we're going to we're going to switch later pivot to we're to pivot to I don't know. the normal he said or is it or or it was like God he's like God was speaking to me through this light and like sure blessed me 08:21 or some sort of interdimensional being and he said, but he said whatever it was, or I know for sure is it's not made up in my head. Yeah, well, he actually did say that he said, or maybe it was a projection from in my okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, so maybe it was a projection. He was like it's either aliens or the god of the universe. I know it's not for sure is that it was just made up in my kid brain that I have my kid brain just came up with it, but he said he said whatever it was. It defies explanation because he said at that moment is when he felt the power well up within him sure, and so he then 08:50 had the psychic power and he realized oh, I can read everyone's minds like I know what everyone around is thinking now. I saw that thing and now I know what you're thinking and they're like well, what am I thinking and he's like you didn't actually he's like thing did you I could do it right? I can read your thoughts right now. I do it. 09:18 and you're thinking no, you can't you idiot, how close close that's actually pretty close. You want know what I was thinking? I knew we were thinking you said it. I know you. Do you want to know what I was? Yeah, yeah, I was actually thinking that you were going to say there's no way that he actually liked that gift he's just oh he's all an act. It's just an I let me try. I've been thinking about it ever since I try 09:48 You think Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent? 09:56 that's what he's thinking about middle of this episode. I try to have a that the whole thing is going around in his head is aren't they frame that guy like I definitely didn't do it. There's no way he that. He's not that good. I know for a fact I have it a good confidence that they're lying about that. I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah, it's all I think about 10:19 so yeah he's like he's like i can read everyone's subtle messages in those asmr videos you watch it's all just conspiracies yeah they're 10:35 we're talking about the rats on the moon. What rats on the moon dibs on the band name? Okay deal, so he's like he's like I can read everyone's mind now right right right. He's like that's crazy and so he holds you this point. He's a child. He's like he's in grade school. He's in grade school, so he's realizing your fourth year special home yeah and your fourth grader goes now. I know you're thinking 11:04 and you're like okay, what are you talking about? You can read people's thoughts. We know when you read people's not see how I said at the same time as you, it's like you actually said it like suddenly just all really arrogant and cocky yeah, kind of and all of sudden he realizes that he definitely because he had this in in elementary school. Yeah, he definitely used this to like pick up girls in high school. He was just like 11:40 I just yes, I just know what what a girl wants. You know what girl wants and isn't that a movie? Isn't there a movie? This is like yeah, is Mel Gibson able to read women's minds? What is Mel Gibson? If what a girl wants? No, isn't I don't know what the movie is. It was a man of binds. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not how about what a girl wants. I'm talking about a movie where Mel Gibson can read women's minds. 12:11 that'll give sin mine reading. Oh interesting. It's called what women want. Ah hey, hey, I was close. That's kind of interesting, huh? Strange. Okay yeah, so same. I guess that's use that. We're just like I know what you're thinking girl. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking 12:38 guy's kind of cute. And she's like, no, I wasn't. He's like, hey, hey. 12:48 Yes, you were yes, you were yeah yeah and she's like get away from me like what are you doing? You say that now yeah twenty years from now I'm going to drive a spoon mobile and you're going to regret this. We just see my through this Candice. I don't know what years it was of the eighty. He was born in forty six in Tel Aviv and so he he gets he gets home and he's 13:16 just kind of like wow. I got these powers. What else can I do yeah and so he's practicing around with just many moves stuff yeah he's like he's like think I can move some stuff with my mind and so he starts doing his telekinesis moving stuff around with his mind and this is the this is forty s fifties he's born in forty six so yeah yeah he was like early at this point stuff up yeah. This is when people made stuff up so he allegedly I will say to this is a good 13:45 a little bit of backstory. His grandma sure, I think grandmother is named Margaret Freud and they claim that he's a distant relative of signal Freud on his mother side, but there's never been like connected. It's like yeah, they got the same last name and so he's like. I think he's using that as like a claim to thing. I don't know. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. If it is 14:15 yeah. So he starts like learning. Oh, I can I can move stuff with my mind and he starts taking keys and just different metal objects and bending them with his brain. He's like sitting there bending them. The parents are losing their mind. Everything is bent in their house because he's sitting there going and he's like look what I can and his his dad even said in an interview later in his life. This was an interesting interview. His dad said I don't know what it was about him. 14:45 but his watches always seem to break and I don't break like I don't know what the claim is there. No, like I think it's that they just stopped working like his watch. This watches would just stop working and then I I think the claim the claim is my kid just wanted to spend more time with me, so he broke all my watches, so wouldn't be able to know what time was. I think that I think the claim there is that he had so much magic energy coming off of them that all the gears in the watch stopped working 15:13 like the gears would would bend and break sure, but that does happen. He allegedly was able at times, not all the time, but at times to take the watch and shake it and fix it. I don't know what that you got a cheap watch. Yeah, have you tried shaking it kid? No, this has got to be because my kid is magic because my kids magic okay, so he starts doing like local shows when he gets to high school, sure doing the spoon bending thing 15:42 and then he would do a thing where people would come up and he would have a blackboard up stage from him and they would draw a picture on the blackboard and he would have like a canvas and he would draw the same picture okay, and this is like late fifties at this point yeah, and so this is blowing people's minds. This is like this is early in like magicians doing magician stuff right. It's not I'm pretty sure it was like who do you for literally 16:09 thousands of yeah, yeah, but they but everyone believed it back that like this was the first era like Houdini was the first era where it was like I'm magic, but it's like I'm not actually worshiping the devil. Okay, and what year was Houdini? I don't know ten years before this. We did an episode on them, but I don't I'm not gonna. I'm not going to remember okay. He died like thirty years before this, so yeah, it's still new. It's still fresh, okay, but he's doing not 16:37 he's doing his magic. People are coming in there and they're like oh wow, we've never seen this before. 16:45 They're going. I say this is brand new to us people in the fifties who are who have never seen stuff before they all that trans and as the trans Atlantic yeah, the transit that we can't do yeah yeah. No one talks like that anymore. They should yeah we should. I think they we should try. I think they did it for a very specific reason. They got rid of it or they did the act. No, I think they did it for a specific reason, which was radio waves. 17:15 I think the radio waves like interrupted their voice since they had to talk weird so that way their voice when I get distorted by the radio. I don't think right Alex. No, I think yeah, it's a thing just had transit. Did he say yes? No, I didn't think so, but you just confident way right yeah. Is that the yeah? 17:35 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 18:02 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're to have to start doing mobile game ads. 18:19 so he started doing this. He started doing like theater shows and like little things, but in spinning spins is new thing. No one's ever heard of before called match exactly called shows called theaters. No one had thought of it before. No one had thought about it like man. No, I've never seen this many people in one room yeah, and so he was doing the show yeah and he started to garner a little bit of attention around Israel and he 18:44 got some television like local television appearances sure I ended up having a show called the Geller effect that kind of made him a celebrity in the country where he would do the bending spoons in there was my that's got the whatever effect the car the carbonara effect yeah. Actually, I wondered if that is an homage to that yeah. Carb carbonara effect carbonara, which is interesting because that's what my favorite dish at Olive Garden is called 19:13 this yeah, that's really hard. I wonder if that was a I'll tell you the effect that's got 19:22 I mean he does kind of do the mentalist thing too, so I guess that makes sense that he was anyways, so he started getting recognized on tv started getting flown out to Europe to do appearances on European TV shows and this eventually gets to the states and in the seventy's Johnny Carson finds out about him and then seventy three he has him come on to the tonight show, but Johnny Carson. I don't know if you knew this because I didn't 19:51 Johnny Carson was like a hobby magician. Yeah, he does the little thing that was his whole bit. What little thing the with the envelope and the hat that was like one of his bits where I don't know what you're talking about where he would like. It was like you know you could tell I think that yes Johnny Carson was a hobby magician, but he also liked the showmanship of magic yeah yeah yeah which had been around for centuries. 20:16 and but one of the bits that they would do on the show is that whole like the punch line would be written in the in the envelope and he would say this the set up and then he would just read whatever was in the envelope. It wasn't a magic trick. was but it was the showmanship of a magic trick, a mad trip interesting interesting. So I figured what they called that but johnny carson was what's the right word, irked by geller because geller repeatedly we'd be asked like oh that's a trick and he like no i'm a psychic. 20:46 Like, I have special powers. Like, he would not. Oh, and Johnny Carson was like, come on. Yeah, he would not be like, I'm a performer. He would be like, I have powers. And Carson's like, no, don't. And so Carson, so they had him come out and his Ernie Geller's team came out and they set up the set. So they had a bunch of spoons that they set out. There was another bit that he did where they had a bunch of like metal canisters that weren't see-through or anything like that. And they were all empty except for one of them was full of some sort of powder. 21:16 without touching them or feeling them or anything like that. He'd be like, yeah, it's that one. And so Carson came out and he saw that and he's like, he's like, yeah, right. And so he's like, he's like, take it all away and replace it with our stuff. And so he had his production team replace everything with their spoons and their canisters and one of them was full and so they just, he's like, I'm going to humiliate this guy on live TV pretty much. And he was like, he's like, yeah, replace it all. And so he comes out for his segment. Johnny Carson's doing a show. 21:45 does his whole thing and then it's like, okay, Ernie Geller, this magician from Tel Aviv is here. You might have heard of him. He's starting to make waves internationally. He's here to show us what he can do. And we've got this stuff. And so he comes out and he immediately sees the table with all of his stuff and he is like perturbed. And so he sits down and he can immediately tell, oh, something's wrong. the first, I think maybe the most obvious thing was 22:14 he would always have all of these goods on like a metal tray yeah and one of the bits and one of what some magicians since have said the way he did the what's in the jar thing as he would reach out and he would spin that that tray and he can kind of tell from what by the weightedness of it where which one was full and so when there wasn't a tray he immediately knew oh someone mess with my stuff and he started looking around at his spoons he's like these are not my spoons and so he realized 22:43 I'm not going to be able to do any of my tricks because it's not my stuff. So he's on the show and he's sitting there and he's like, oh, something's wrong. Yeah. And so what ends up happening is 20 minutes of like the worst television in history because he's just sitting there kind of mumbling to himself, like very clearly upset and then like occasionally going like this over things and like looking at him and Johnny Carson is just being like, what's wrong? Can't can't do it like just 23:13 very clearly being like all a bully yeah, kind of and Johnny Carson, this is a really mean thing to do to your guess that you've flown from Israel. Yeah, yeah, and he's just sitting there smoking a cigarette, which honestly I'm going to be honest. Here's the deal smoking in public pretty cool, pretty cool smoking in general. 23:38 smoking in general very cool. It's unhealthy and yeah dare program, whatever, but honestly dare program forget you guys, your program for nerds, their programs for nerds. have. I do think that cigarettes are cool. Cigar is hard. It's hard. That was the whole thing was that it was. It was it was on tv and it was so normal. You know, I saw this is going to sound really crazy for a second. There's there's things in life where it's like it's hard 24:07 not to look cool while doing sure there's things in life where it's hard to look cool while doing and stick with me for a second smoking. It's hard to look not cool smoking like smoking looks inherently just yeah, but you got to think about why though and it's because the characters that they made smoke in film and tv yeah through they were always cool before before like the late eighties, nineties anti smoking stuff yeah, but even even after all of that right when I was high school we knew 24:37 that like he was cool. That's what we knew we knew so no one to tell us we were like that's a cool guy. We knew smoking was bad, but when I walked out of the venue between sets at shows and all those kids were out front smoking, I was like gosh you guys are so cool yeah, but here's even the kids that didn't weren't cool kids, but seeing people who have smoked for fifty years yeah and you see what they look like look cool when they light up though they still look cool. 25:05 not hard not to look cool, just not in the you have not with the se. You have not walked out the back of a comedy club with the in freaking Minneapolis in the winter and seen people who are so addicted to smoking that they'll stand outside of the freezing cold just like they're freezing for a reason and the reason is Nick. Maybe, maybe I don't know. It's pretty cool so but 25:33 the other things were. It's hard to other thing cool while I was driving. I was driving home the other day, drive past or yeah, driving home the other morning. Yeah, just so you know, I know that there's families who listen. We're not. I don't think you should start smoking, but you shouldn't stop if you know we're not trying to smoke, but I do think if you do, it's pretty cool. 25:59 Alex is trying to figure out how we PR this. I don't I don't think you we're not trying to be. I'm not endorsing smoking. I'm just saying it's not not cool. 26:14 Okay, what's hard to look cool? Why you do it and so I was driving. I was driving all the other morning, pass a school bus stop hard to look cool playing badminton. I passed the school bus stop and there's one kid standing out at the bus stop, probably fifth, sixth grade, just itching his butt like hardcore itching his butt and I'm like man, we're seeing somebody cool. It's their butt. No, I'm just like it's hard. It's hard not to look cool, itching your butt. 26:42 and here's the thing. I think you said it's to look at you. Oh dude, I think about all the cool kids itch in their but you're seeing somebody has reached out and grab a handful and each their but that's so cool. Now you have context for Tim's definitions. 27:04 here's the thing. Here's the text was that just to get another mission. What is that you kind of like? You pull that up in front of your eyes, dude, like like like somebody who's taking their neck health super serious. I got to come up here. Yeah, I got to take care of my health. I got to do this, so my neck doesn't hurt, but 27:26 after this, I'm going to go smoke up. I'll tell you what it's really hard to look cool while checking your apple watch for notifications. That's just so hard to look cool. Why you go? Let me tell you, let me tell you where my goblin brain was at the other day, so I saw that I saw this kid. just and you thought I'm going to turn and hit my car. saw this kid. It just but and my brain didn't just go 27:53 I saw this kid itches butt. So I saw this kid just butt, right? I'm driving home. So I saw this kid, itches butt. That's crazy. And my common brain said, because I was coming home. a cigarette right I was like, the simple, kid was smoking a cigarette. 28:16 that's conflicting. What do you do if you see someone who's a resounding is there, but what did you think? I don't know Goblin brain. I was I went home from the gym and I was I was at the gym. I was listening to like I hope my kids never that lane. No, I was listening to like I don't know what it was like some like in podcast about like I don't know some hustle grind thing probably Anthony. I don't know, but my brain I was like I was like a success winning blah and so I passed this kid and he's itching his butt like 28:44 And that's exactly what I think immediately. I'm just like, oh man, it's hard to look cool while you're itching your butt. And I'm like, and my brain says, yeah, you can put on a leather jacket, you get the sunglasses, the designer jeans, the cool shoes, but you hit your butt, you're not cool. And my brain goes, and it's just like your business. If you got a bad business, you're trying to sell a product that isn't cool. You can dress it up all you want. You can do the marketing campaign. You could try to make it look really good, but it doesn't matter what you do. If you're 29:12 if your product is itching your butt, it doesn't look cool. So anyways, Johnny Garstin sitting there smoking and it's like 20 minutes of this guy getting really upset about the fact that he can't do these tricks and he's like mumbling on his breath and there's been some like lip readers who've been like, oh, he's saying like, why would you do this to me? Like, why would you bring me on here to like embarrass me like this? Like he's like very mad. Would you do? And so then he says, 29:37 So then he says, he's like, I just, don't have positive energy today. Like my energy is really negative. I can't, I'm not sensing this the way like sometimes that happens. Like I just don't have the right energy. And Carson's like, uh huh. Okay. Yeah, sounds good. And so like just pretty much publicly shames him for being a fraud. And that show ends, he never does any of his tricks. They just watched him for 20 minutes essentially. And so he goes back to his room that night, his hotel. 30:06 just outraged, very upset, thinking his career is going to be over because of this. But something happened. He looked at the window. He saw a disc in the sky. A An alien in that disc going, hey, it's okay. 30:30 A lot of people don't know that the reason that aliens are like that is because they photoshopped the cigarette. 30:48 I used to be cigarettes in there. That's what I saw like that. I am a million and I don't this. I smoked a done a bunch of people saw this yeah and for some reason what you would expect is people would see this and they would say oh yeah. This guy's a fraud he's been exposed, but what people saw instead was oh this guy must be legit. 31:18 if it doesn't work all the time. 31:24 and so this blew him up like this is what stuff that makes me feel the is the reinforcements that people will go through in their brains to go see that actually validates it. That actually makes a lot of sense because it since it didn't work like it's it not where for me that's like when the cancer chiefs lost a server was like he's not scripted see not scripted. See how could it be scripted? They want to have them lose if it was scripted. There's too good of a story, so then he goes on a circuit. 31:53 and he does like every morning talk show, every late night talk show in the States and the UK, like he's all over the place and it kind of culminates in a moment to here where you might remember this part of the story where he gets a call from a guy by the name of Harold putt Hoff putt Puth, Puth Hoff. Why am I saying that wrong? That doesn't sound right. Harold putt off, Puth, Puth Hoff, Harold Puth Hoff. That's right. I think and Russell Targ 32:23 which you might remember those names, maybe. you? No. They are researchers at the SRI, which was the Stanford Research Institute. They were tasked by the CIA to try to figure out if mind control was possible. MKUltra. This wasn't MKUltra, but this was another like... Oh, speaking of that, Montauk. Yeah. 32:52 Right? Yeah. Is referenced in Severance. Oh, really? You're gonna freaking love this show when you finally watch it. Yeah. Hashtag ad, but you're gonna love this show when you freaking watch it. Okay. I think this is all I think it all plays in. Interesting. mean, that would make a lot of sense actually, knowing this, the subject matter. No, this was the remote viewing. Oh, he was actually have never relisted that episode because I was just like, this feels like a dark. 33:21 I mean like, you told that story about how you remote viewed once, have you? 33:27 shut up. Have you ever repented at that and ask for forgiveness for doing that so from God? So he goes and I just smoked instead. Okay, so he goes yeah. He gets called by the Stanford Research Institute, yeah and they said hey, we are looking for a psychic to study to see if there's any legitimate thing there yeah sure, and so they had him do a 33:55 pretty common trick he would do on tv shows and stuff was the drawing thing where people would draw a picture right. They put it in an envelope. He would he would draw it another common point like that's crazy that you're just like oh yeah you're looking for a psychic like I know know I'm making this up yeah. 34:15 Yeah, yeah. And so they call him and they do the drawing thing. I'm on your way into psych, like being a psychic. Well, here's the thing. Yeah, you would think that when the CIA is investigating you for your psychic ability, you would probably say, guys, look, circle of confidence here, right? I made a fraud. Don't tell anyone though, please. 34:43 Can we just act like this is really legit? I mean, maybe it's all made up. Maybe honestly, maybe he did like maybe he did say hey, it's it's fake, but just writing it is baby. That's what we do. Maybe that's our thing. Well, honestly, I'm not going to lie. I kind of think I kind of could see a possible world because so many magicians at this point already had come forward to be like. I know exactly how he's doing all this. It's a trick. He's not a psychic like they could explain it all. 35:13 and he would just like double down every time that he's an actual psychic. Yeah, and what he would say is he said he said magicians they can they can imitate through tricks, but it's not the real thing like they're imitating. He's like he's like I'm the real deal. Yeah, he's like we're doing this. He's like yeah, the results the same, but the method is different as what he would say and people be like oh yeah, he must be yeah, that sounds right. He's the jet yeah, yeah, that sounds right and so these guys and how how that's right. 35:41 Harold goes by Hal, that's why that sounded so weird to me. Hal Puthoff, he's like a pretty famous guy in like the UFO sphere today because he did this remote viewing thing and he's always been into the extraterrestrial paranormal world. And so he kind of has that brain worm too. And so he might have... 36:07 been more susceptible to believing this stuff. Okay, when he did his research, but I also can see a possible world where when the SRI got hired by the CIA to investigate this stuff and try to figure out if remote viewing was legitimate, Russia was. I mean this is the middle of the Cold War and Russia, the Soviet Union was saying yeah, we we have psychics and they can do stuff yeah and so it's not a far fetched to me. 36:36 to think that the CIA was like, just put together some reports that say we can do it too. And that seems like that might be what was going on here. Like they took him in when Russia was our adversary. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Yeah, like a long time for like, you know, most of it. Yeah. 37:01 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. have a mailing list in that mailing list. give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes, we've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of tilling topics. So if you want to keep learning stuff even beyond the content of the episodes, that's a great place to do it. 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Here's his house by the way he's he made it doing this grift. 38:11 And I'm going to be honest with you, there was a point in my life where I would see that floor and I'd be like, oh yeah, he's part of the Illuminati. That's why, because that's Illuminati floor. So there's a guy, there's a guy on, honestly, he does the best on Facebook, guess, on YouTube, TikTok, all that stuff. Have you seen him? He used to be an illusionist. He used to like the big corporate events stuff. His name is Justin Flom. Okay. And I don't know if I should give away his secrets, I guess, but he, 38:38 does all this stuff, he loves stencil art, he does stencil art on his walls, or he'll show this secret room in his house, or this trap door that he built into the floor, like all this stuff. Do you know what talking about? Have you seen his videos? No. Like different stuff, it's like literally he pulls a lever and the floor opens and it goes to this ball pit that's downstairs, right? Or like a little hidden bookshelf door that goes into this secret room that has a slide and all this stuff in this house, right? Yeah. The guy owns a house across the street. 39:06 that he and his family live in. That's their house and then he got his this house that he goes over and makes YouTube videos in tears out a whole wall and then does his little YouTube video tears it down. Three puts the wall up interesting and his he just puts like different stuff in this house. They don't actually live in. He doesn't live in, but that's where he's making his content out of interest. That's crazy kind of like being the big blue house yeah or no. 39:30 out of the out of the box. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does have a bear in that house. No, what I'm saying is he made enough money from doing I mean, mean he's CIA approved like, you know, illusion stuff for like Walmart and cost illusions. He was do yeah, he was an illusionist and he was doing it for Walmart. Yeah, he's in the big corporate gigs. Oh, the corporate I was like, I was like what 39:51 what for? Why was he doing magic? He was out front of Walmart was just like Ding Ding Ding Salvation Army and he's like and he said what's that behind your ear your donation? So no, he like made enough money for doing the corporate stuff yeah you know now and now he makes the money's money from doing the social content, but it's just like he built he bought a whole house just for that's crazy stuff. Man, we do the one that was telling me about the 40:17 kids YouTube thing where it's like you can't have the... this new law passed in California where if, have you seen this Alex? This law that passed in California, there's a lot of family vloggers who are moving from California to like Tennessee or Idaho because there was a law that passed that said if your content features children over a certain percentage, then you have to put a certain percentage of your proceeds in a trust fund for them. 40:41 and so some of these parents in California are just like I'm not going to pay my kid and they literally move their whole family rather than honor the life and sanctity of their child and the relationship that they have together because they would rather capitalize on their existence in this hellscape that we live in them into a character. So hey yeah well, kids should get paid right yeah. That's why we had to wait till you grew up to do this podcast. 41:11 that's why we had to wait until Tim grew up to go to video. If you guys want to see the audio, I was a little kid, just a little kid, little kid. That's why in the video is when he finally looked old enough that we were like all right, you at least pass for look like an adult. So anyways, so he started he kept doing yeah he kept doing his magic thing. Sure did a full career of this and he got 41:38 all sorts of hate and claims that he's a fraud. People would try to expose him all the time. I think about getting hate. I think about this all the time too. If you're successful enough, who cares? Yeah, you know, yeah, like the number of people who comment on bird, Christ or stuff, he's got a new special coming on Netflix. Yeah, actually, I think it drops. This is March eighteenth. No, yeah, this one will be okay. So this is March twenty fifth twenty fifth, but so it came out last week. 42:04 but you know Netflix drops the trailer and all the comment ever. I couldn't find one single supporting comment that was like yes can't wait for person special, but it really yeah, but there's so many people, but he's yeah that I'm going to watch it. I think he's a phenomenal stand up yeah yeah yeah he's, but it's one of those things where it's just like who cares yeah yeah like the you saw his house yeah yeah you know where it's just making it oh no he lives that he lives that life like 42:32 I mean he obviously you seen his house, but he lives like he has all the celebrity friends and he in two thousand one he renewed his wedding vows and his best man for his renewals Michael Jackson, which is hilarious to me. When did he renew his wedding vows in two thousand one? I don't know. 42:54 I just say there's he's already said there's certain dates that have a lot of meaning to him. I just want to know when in thousand one he renewed his wedding vows. I do not know I know yeah, and so he kind of lived that life some fun trivia Pokemon made a Pokemon dedicated to him as Kadabra really all of them Abra Kadabra and Alakazam they're all and dedication to him because they got the spoon and it looks like I'm 43:23 Yeah, I can see it. I mean, it looks at this picture looks more like that. So yeah, so I mean, he from this point on, he was like just a career magician. Yeah, had a lot of scandal around him because he'd never backed down from trying to claim that real legit. And so now you can find him a lot on the Gaia network, which do know what that is? The Gaia network? Yeah. Have you not seen anything from the Gaia network? No, gosh. 43:52 Our algorithms are so different. Gaia is one of those things where whenever I see a Gaia video come up, I'm immediately like this is garbage. Don't watch this. Don't pay attention to this and I comment on it. I'm like this is God. That's why it keeps popping up on your stuff is because you keep commenting on it. I just want people to know that is what is Gaia Gaia is like a I mean I think it started as a YouTube channel, but now they have their own website and all their videos on their own website and stuff and they're like 44:23 very fringe conspiracy theories. It's like all alien and astral projection and stuff like that and he's on there all the time talking about this his psych psych is a lot of and and yeah he's still alive. He's like seventy eight he's like eighties seventy eight. Nope. It literally says right here age seventy eight was born in forty six. Let's see if the math is right on that seventy nine depending on when his birthday is. Oh yeah, it's December so yeah he's seventy eight now okay, whatever do 44:55 No, what was the what was the magician? I think he went by the masked magician yeah that did the like exposing yeah you're on time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I it's ironic you brought him up because I watched a video like the bio of Uri Geller and they said that Uri Geller, the only magician hated more than him by Magistrate, which who is the mass position? I don't know if we know. I think we know 45:22 Google it. 45:25 Howie Mandel. 45:31 No, we know who it is over right. Yeah, we do. guess yeah he unmasked yeah Val Valentino yeah, which is crazy and so because he was just he did a whole video series. Was that the early two thousand that he was a TV show he did a full TV show of how magicians do their tricks yeah, which was honestly great idea. Oh, it was a phenomenal show. Yeah, it's called breaking the magicians code yeah and he just revealed how every trick was done. 46:00 which was pretty. I mean honestly, it had me in a stranglehold. I'll tell you what as a kid like does kind of suck what to reveal it all yeah. I mean I'm going to be honest like in retrospect this guy. I mean he the timing was perfect. Oh yeah. I'll be for him. Sure he capitalized on money, but I'm saying like he really did like it does take away the fun of the magic. 46:28 know what I'm saying is the time is perfect because like just the way like like in the height of like slip, not he comes out with this mask, oh yeah, he's telling you all the secrets in the middle of when we're like oh yeah, the government's hiding everything from you and he's like yeah, they are also he was like oh, I see a rise in conspiracy theories. Now is the perfect time to expose the secrets of long held magic traditions. 46:53 now is the time to give the people what they want exactly yeah. You're keeping your track in all right here. Well, anyway, what the magic community would like to say to Val Valentino is that are an evergreen pot 47:17 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of Things I Learned Last Night. If you liked that and you want more of it, guess what? Behind this hand right here is another episode. That is our remote viewing episode. You can go check that out. That's like this thing where people thought that they could kind of astral project. They could see things around the world even from their own home. Just kind of going to this transcendent place within themselves. And they could see the nukes in Russia. And they could go to Antarctica. And they could see different things and maybe even different times. 47:43 It's a really wacky thing. I don't believe in any of that. Tim loves that stuff though. Or if you want to watch next week's episode right now, it's available to our Patreon supporters. can join us there. Tilland.com slash join. You get access to our Discord. You get monthly hangouts with us and you get that episode's ad free with early access. So it's just a way to support the show and help keep us going and we really enjoy that you're here. So we'll see you next week on Things I Learned Last Night.

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00:00 Hey this week we're talking about Harold von Braun Hunt, who is an advertiser in the fifties and sixties who sold sea monkeys. You might have heard of these. They were just basically tiny little shrimp that they that they sold through magazine articles and then kids were like what you mean they can't dance. What do mean they can't play baseball because it was easy to take advantage of children back then? That's how want to say that. That's how I want to intro the episode. Okay, it's Marge teeth. What do you got going on? 00:27 It's what's which day is it March eighteen yeah this weekend? I'll be in Ashland, Kentucky on March twenty second I would love to see you there, and if you're like where's Ashland, Kentucky that's I asked as well, so Google it you'll find it. It's out there and then my this June we're running the church comedy tour back those dates will be available soon check all my dates out on my website jaren Myers comm slash shows 19:04 So this obviously isn't much. mean, even if you look at like some of their more extravagant versions of this, like where they've got, he's got a pirate ship and all this stuff. it's just kind of glorified fish, not even fish. Like they're just tiny little itsy bitsy creatures. But what he did really well was advertising. And so he came up with this brand of Sea Monkeys and sold them as if they were 19:34 You could do tricks and you could teach them stuff and he sold like different sets for it. So he sold a set where it was like the dancing set. And so it was like it was supposed to resemble a stage and you're supposed to be able to teach them how to dance. Right. And then there was the baseball diamond and it looked like a baseball field and they're supposed to be able to play baseball because it's all just like gimmicky things like that. Obviously they're little shrimps. They can't do anything. And but he he was like I'm selling to kids. They don't know that. 20:02 he referenced when he was a kid and he was at the fair and he saw the the the flee thing. Remember these to do that like the yeah. I remember trapeze fleas the trap. Yeah, please we remember that you remember that from our childhood. Yeah, you don't remember trap fleas 20:23 I said yeah keep going. What are you wanting from me right now? Okay, I don't know. Do you understand the Alex? You see I'm crazy like do I feel I feel insane today where Tim's just like he's telling different sets and stuff and you remember trap trappies fleas trappies please remember trappies you remember that 20:52 you're that yeah, but I know what you're talking about. Okay, all right. Where is this episode going bro? So his whole thing was he's essentially selling fish food is what it is. It's a Brian shepherd. It's fish food yeah and he said okay. If I if I give them tell them put tap water in one of these little jars, you pour that you dump the solution in that's supposed to make the water clean and then you dump the eggs in. Here's the deal. It was a lie. 21:20 What you were doing is you were dumping the eggs in first and then the next day you were just putting salt in because he was like, well, it's going to take like 24 hours from where I'll start hatching. so he was like, you're going to purify the water, but it was you're putting the eggs in and letting them sit overnight so they can hatch and then you're going to put some salt in. And so he sold these for a dollar 25. And he called a bunch of comic book manufacturers, 21:50 printers, sure, publishers, thank you, and he started putting those, putting these ads in comic books. Yeah, and this was something that no one was doing. No one was putting ads in comic books because it was kind of like, I don't want to say like taboo, but everyone's like, why would you advertise to children? What's the point of that? And so he's like, he's like, oh, I'm selling to kids. I should advertise to kids. And so it was a buck twenty five. And what you would do is you would cut out this little thing, put it in an envelope, 22:19 with your buck 25. because people back then didn't understand the power of like how you could get a kid to annoy their parent into buying your product. Yeah, no one knew how easy it was to get kids to get their parents to do stuff. Yeah. They hadn't figured that out yet. As a former kids pastor, it's easy. That was the number one thing we did was teach kids to annoy their parents. Yeah. We actually would. Here's some inside baseball. 22:49 we would for like big events where we wanted like increase attendance to have people at. We would plan special things for the kids to get the kids really excited about it because we knew if the kids convinced their parents, the parents would get like drug along and so we would like like tricking the parents through their kids. It's the same thing these guys are doing. You tricking the parents. You were just telling the kids like guys were gonna have 23:15 pizza next week and then the kids are like we got to go because we're going to have pizza next week instead of presenting them the gospel of Jesus Christ yeah, because the kids don't care about the gospel. They want pizza. The kids don't care about the gospel that's going on a t shirt. The kids don't care about the gospel. The kids will never care about the gospel until it tastes like pizza. So he started advertising in these books, 23:45 And it was a he at the height of his operation. Yeah, he was printing ads and three point two million comic books a year. And so it became a thing where everybody knew about the sea monkeys. Not everybody got them, but at least everyone knew about him because it was inescapable. was in every comic book you would ever get. And so through that, throughout like into the eighties, was just sea monkeys are everywhere. And so he became a millionaire. How many 24:13 asmr creators. Do you follow? don't follow a single one that you got numerous ads for this I'm okay. First of all, I don't follow when you're saying this. I was like yeah, but I wonder how many people have seen ads about this. I'm asked and then go. I've never seen ads because I don't watch asmr speaking of ads. We'll come back to this, but speaking you're trying to get away from the fact to away, watch asmr videos. First of all, I don't watch. listen to obviously 24:42 and I because it helps me focus, so I listen to him while I work and here's the here's the thing I am ashamed of it, so I always believe my history every time I watch him because I don't want it to be in my algorithm. I don't pay for you to premium. I don't pay for you to premium. That's crazy that you're watching ASMR videos and listening to ads. It's just get the new Domino's five nine nine breadsticks suck a lot. That does it does suck a lot. Here's the deal. A lot of them 25:13 The kids don't care about the a lot of them won't run mid rolls. They only run pre rolls because of that very reason, but some of them do run mid rolls and when they do, oh my gosh, it's the worst because so loud. Yeah, it's you like a freaking sure, but yeah, it's it honestly, it really helps with focus. You watch on the tilling account because sometimes I've seen those pop up. 25:34 No, I've never yeah you actually are still logged into the and you watch a little as that would be me because I delete the history because I don't want to messing up my algorithm and I'm ashamed. If they're just so weird, I don't know why they have to be so weird like why can't you just make the sounds and shut up like 26:03 anyways about average, I just make the sounds and shut up. 26:11 Uh, so... 26:15 So Tim, just to be clear yeah, your covenant eyes report each week is just just yeah. Is there a specific creator? Do you know what do you search when you're looking at our videos? What do you search? I literally just search ASMR and then I just scroll through until there's one that's like oh that's probably fine and then I want you to know and I think this is important and I think less of you now. 26:43 I think it's important for you to know that I do think less of you right now. Hey, that's fine. Honestly, I'm proud of who I am embarrassed. I am and I'm telling you, you should be it. It's just it helps me focus. It helps me focus there and makes the top of my head feel nice who watches this podcast and then removes it from their watch. They go, I can't have this in my algorithm know that I watch this. It's less about people knowing it's more about. I don't want to 27:12 I'm cluttering my algorithm yeah, because it's a yeah. I don't want those recommendations. I just want while I'm working for it to be in the background yeah, but it's. I think if you watch it, even if you're moving from your watch history, it still affects your not doesn't. If it's not in your watch history, it doesn't affect your algorithm. I only is true because if that was true, then I would be getting recommendations for it. Okay, because I like at least once a day I have it on the background while I'm working. It's just in the is in the background. Wow, 27:40 it's like music is the same thing as music. Don't be so weird about this. I was smoking crack. Okay, would you have such a problem about it with it? No, I'd actually prefer that there's there's treatment system and communities for support. They haven't made ASMR illegal yet, so I can't. I can't throw the book at you right now. Okay, whatever. When I was in New York, 28:09 speaking about advertisements sure when I was in New York. 39:42 So that that's a crazy thing to advertise those like you can see your bones. We're looking at me you pig. I'm looking at your bones. 39:57 that's that is nuts. That is nuts. How do you sell that though? It obviously doesn't work. Oh yeah, that's the thing is none of the things he sold really did anything. They were all just gimmicks. It was all just gimmicks that obviously didn't work. He also had like hip glasses looking at your bone. All right, all right, stop saying that keep doing it, sir. Who cares? I don't get what you're doing. Just don't talk to me more and then and then in a weird and a weird like 40:26 shift from character. He's like I'm going to make I'm going to make something for adults and so he makes this, which is called the Cuyoga, which is a baton and at the tip of the baton there's a taser and so you hit people and it'll like them essentially yeah, but it's a baton so it's like telescopic and so you can this is since been outlawed. He also he also he got arrested in Ligurian says you don't need a gun. 40:55 What year is this? I don't know judging by this ad. I would say like early seventies. I'd say early sixties. It could be could be and it's marketed towards. don't know if you can read this from here, but it's marketed towards people who can't get a gun like if you legally can't acquire a gun. He said, why don't you get this electric tan? So for some reason you're not allowed to buy firearms anymore. I'll sell you get without a license yeah. 41:23 Yeah, but that's just a gun now and so yeah he got he got arrested in LaGuardia for trying or do you a guardia for trying to take it on a flight, LaGuardia, LaGuardia, LaGuardia. Yeah, why do they make that so hard to say? So you got arrested for trying to take that on the flight in the nineties and so they arrested him. They I don't know what they processed him and they ended up releasing him because they're like well, we don't know technically speaking like our 41:52 technically banned yeah. They were like this. We don't have a category for this. It's technically not illegal, but like we don't want you to bring this so you can't, but there's not a law, so we can't like charge you with anything. That's how I feel about it's not illegal for you to watch as tomorrow. I don't want you to, but I can't legally yet. Yeah, I would kick you off a flight if you did it, but like I can throw you in jail for it, so that's exactly what happened to him. He got kicked off his fight and then in the nineties in ninety two 42:22 This is my favorite part of the story and I do to I feel like we're going to take an alien turn right here. Aren't we? Oh, I wish no in ninety two. He was approached by I don't know some TV producer and they produced the show the amazing live sea monkeys and the concept of the show was a mad scientist had a grow ray 42:49 and accidentally grew sea monkeys to life size and they like escaped from their little pen because obviously they were too big. And then it was the life of these sea monkeys as human size sea monkeys. My favorite part about this is see if you can guess who the professor is at the top of this picture. These are the sea monkeys. So obviously I think you can guess which ones are the monkeys. This is 1992. I think you can guess who the sea monkeys are. They're the ones that look like crazy things. 43:17 but then the guy in the middle, the per you know him like you don't know him personally, yeah, but you know who he is right. Hold on 43:30 Eddie Murphy. 43:36 Is it Alec Baldwin? No, no wait. You're going to say it. I'm going to go yeah, honestly looking at this picture. I cannot see it like it doesn't like him. It's how he Mandel 43:51 and so he played this professor. can't see that or I can't see that one bit, but he plays this professor who turned these sea monkeys into life size. Okay, this show ran for eleven episodes and got cancelled. Apparently it wasn't very good and it's really obviously it's also apparently really hard to find any evidence that had ever existed like there's images. That's how he's doing 44:15 yeah. He got that got that e t money and he was a we get rid of that to get rid of that yeah, but it's like not online. It's like lost. It's considered lost media, so if you can find it and you can see it, I want to see it send a VHS well, it's because people had the VHS and they poured water on it because I thought that was like student monkeys out it. They were like I were dumb yeah and so it's probably no surprise to you judging by the x-ray specs that he ended up marrying an adult film star and then 44:42 after he passed away, he left his home to her and so she had to drive home every day to this gate. Okay, where is this? I don't know where they ended up settling at this stage of their life. I do know that they lived in Manhattan for a very long time. This clearly is not man. Yeah, so I wife would love this gate by the way. If we had that, yeah, she'd like oh my gosh, it this place so much character. 45:11 you know, where is this like not a normal anyway, but she she ended up selling like the a license to another toy company to continue selling sea monkeys after his death. Sure and smart business woman and wasn't clear on the terms of the agreement, bad business woman and long story short, ended up coming back to bite her and towards the end of the two thousands. She ended up in a situation where the house that they lived in was as 45:39 big massive house. She couldn't afford to pay for the heat in the home, and so she had like wad herself into like two of the bedrooms because I guess they were the warmest rooms or something and she like lived in her for court. She wore these fur coats around the house and like basically lived in like kind of poverty like she saw the giant house, but she couldn't heat it and she can really afford her life anymore. Yeah, and I don't know exactly what that means. 46:06 I don't know if that means like she couldn't afford to eat or she just couldn't afford the lifestyle she used to have. It's not totally clear, but she didn't have a great end of her life because of that sure that licensing deal. So one last small thing we probably need to 46:27 this episode really was going nowhere then, huh? No, I just about the sea monkeys. Okay, all right, Harold, here all winners. Where's the other episode? I said that there's another episode. I've said that before where I go. This was kind of weird. Huh Tim just sat over here and was like I got a gift and I like ASMR. It was about the sea monkeys. Oh okay, 46:54 I thought we were building up to like something and you were like, ah, his wife died alone. 47:02 this seem like it's interesting yeah yeah. Okay, so anyways the New York Times wrote about him. Hold on or no, the Washington Post wrote about him quote. He was born as Harold Nathan Bronhut, a Jew. That's the that's what they wrote because he in the fifties added Vaughn to his name because he was ashamed of his heritage. 47:30 and so he was shared. Yeah, so he wanted to try to be. wanted to sound more German and he took his problematic. He took his earnings from all of the sea monkey fame. He took those millions and he poured them into white supremacy groups. Oh and the whole episodes about the guy who invented the sea monkeys was kind of a grifter. 48:00 yeah at the very end, you're just like by the way, a piece of crap, the surprise he actually he was a surprise. He actually not see the whole surprise. The guy who made this actually suck yeah yeah, so yeah he was and it. I think it just goes to show yeah, that the rich they always end up sucking 48:28 Yeah, it's the alt right. It's the alt the alt right pipeline. guess I was going to try to come up with some sea monkey name for it, but no no yeah. He did end up somehow becoming a white supremacist and funding a monkey thing, which is very strange and his parents. His parents were like yeah. We he got disowned by his family for that obviously because in the fifties he was like actually I sigh with the guys who did this to us and they're like yeah okay, they're like yeah, that's weird. 48:58 actually yeah and then the rest of his life he's like my parents won't talk to me you idiot yeah. They shouldn't they shouldn't yeah to you. Oh our son yeah he takes advantage of children. He sells them hopes and dreams and he just capitalizes on that yeah and then he married his wife and electric baton actually, which is kind of cool. It doesn't say the date on here. It just says her name 49:27 so yeah, I don't know when they got when they got married, but yeah, so you know, I mean some some rough ideas, lot of griffs, a lot of griffs in his day, but that's Martin Van Bure hut. That's not Martin Harold, Harold Van Bure. 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