Most people know Tom DeLonge as the guitarist and singer from Blink-182. He helped define pop-punk in the late 1990s and early 2000s. But over time, his name became connected to something very different: Aliens. What started as a personal interest in UFO books turned into a public mission. Tom DeLonge claimed that Aliens are real, that the government knows … Read More
Was Tom DeLonge Right About Aliens?
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00:00 Hey, thanks for listening to things. I learned last night. It's my favorite thing to do. My second favorite to do is stand up comedy and so we love for you to cover those shows this month. I am in Houston Plano. That's in Texas, Kingsport, Tennessee, Fredericksburg, Virginia, Charlotte, North Carolina, Milton, West Virginia. Where's that at? Huh? Raleigh, North Carolina. It's in West Virginia, Indianapolis, 00:24 Omaha, Saint Louis and Springfield, Missouri. So March twenty second, I am in Nashville, Tennessee, filming my comedy special. I got rescheduled and there's two shows on that Sunday. If you're within driving distance, put on a couple episodes, make the drive, come to the special taping. I'd love to see you there, so thanks for coming to shows. That's getting the episode. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of hold on? Have you ever heard of Tom DeLong? 00:53 what do you make that face? know who Tom DeLong is and I know what you're going to do. No, no time to long of blink one eighty two and it's like oh wow the band and also he believes in aliens and now the episode is about aliens and that's what we're freaking talking about dog. First of all, I know exactly where you're going. Just how about this? Let's not roll a theme song yet. Give me a second Tom DeLong. Give us some. I'm sorry. Let me who who is that? 01:23 we got to say his name six times. I that was your favorite way to start an episode. I'm along the long. Okay, so here's young Tom De Long. Can you guess where he does? Oh, he looks like a two thousand three youth pastor wearing a choker 01:41 persecuted Tim in the Panda Express Parking the other day. Nobody abuses me. I'm big strong man. I'm ruining this from the melon. I am intentionally ruining this episode and I'm going to get Tim to explode by the end of this episode. Things I learned last night. 02:11 here's another one of them. This will throw you off. I don't know if you know what he does now that you see this, but I Tony Hawk skateboard. Oh wait, he's fly. He can fly. He's an alien. Here's another. the thing. Go back. We go back to this because this is this is nineties right. Yeah, look at that just underneath him that freaking Chevy suburban. I'm not going to lie. All those I'm something about yeah 02:40 I don't know what it is. I straight up like people are like oh just delete social media for phone. Okay, then how would I scroll Facebook marketplace for nineteen nineties pick up trucks? You know saying that's how I spend my evenings right now as I just go have a nice and it's a two thousand three Ford Ranger do yeah, but I'm like uh I do. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I'm glad you brought this up. uh I need this to a mess. This is a message to makers of automobiles, though you the 03:09 those of you who just draw pictures of cars and then hand it to the people and they're like we'll make this those those people. I don't care if my cars aerodynamic stop trying to make their time. Here's the thing they could blocky like I know like the eighties and nineties naked hard corners where if I trip I'm my skull is going to crack up and I'm going to die when I hit it because I want to be such a sharp edge. So our neighbors were in car design school. was going to say that sounds dumb, but that's what it is they're in 03:37 they're in design school for that ah and you got to know that everybody in the nine school day. 03:46 they're all trying to do something unique and different and new yeah, and so they were used. They refused to do stuff that was good and cool like and I was watching the Sopranos and like he was driving that maroon chevy suburban and like I was like, but you know how much those things cost in the nineties yeah. Those were like a luxury S. Yeah, you know 04:09 I don't care about the aerodynamics. I'm not trying to drive that fast right. I don't care about my gas. just give me eight miles to the gallon. I like my like a when my wind. I don't care how cars go. My window broke. We were driving. I heard a pop noise. That's weird and then my driver started slowly going down and Alex was like that's broken. Yeah, thanks buddy. Yeah really astute 04:36 so then I had it and it's in here. they are like I live in California today. The weather there is seventy two sunny dude. It's negative one degree here right now. I said negative one degree singular degree. right, I had to be in the high V parking lot with packing tape holding my window up and freaking and I you know uh 05:01 So the next time any of you are like oh, jerns one of those coastal is oh jern makes a budget money, especially these people who pay my checks that people from these gigs who are like whoa jern makes a lot of money. I got uh one show this whole month. That's my you saw my entire page. That's everything I made and I'm taping my grandma's window up on the Buick in Kansas City and it's twelve degrees outside. That car doesn't even you told me 05:30 What was it? I'm so rich. It doesn't even have a tachometer. Is that what it doesn't have? Yeah, yeah, it doesn't. You know, you can't see the RPMs on this car. Hull air because the Buick is not designed to be like oh, am I getting close to shifting gears? The Buick is and that's what I'm saying. I don't care about gas. I don't care about our dynamics. Make a blocky, make it cool dude. I will say the the Buick that I'm driving has the bench seat on the front. Yeah, 05:57 Yeah, it's cool dude and like the come back. You've seen the the scouts, the Volkswagen Scout, no, because Volkswagen bought a huge chunk of Rivian and so now to look up these scouts man. If the podcast takes off, this is what I want. Yeah, this is say it looks so cool. Yeah, I'm a big fan of it's like because I don't like the Rivian headlights and they they fix it on the scout and it's got a bench seats and they also have a pickup version. Yeah, I see the oh it's so tough, but even this even this 06:27 A little too aerodynamic. It's a little too f- Harden out those edges. I don't want this round crap. Get that out of here. Give me a corner. 06:40 I don't. I don't think it is, but the way that you're smashed this together, I feel like is a hate symbol for something you're doing in feels like feels wrong. You know I'm saying like I don't love the Google that I'm pretty sure that's not a never, but it looks like it when you do it like that speaking of eight symbols. Do you want to tell the class what you did to me when we were leaving and express the other day? 07:09 get when when I was trying to get in my car, I flipped you off. I do all the time. Is that what you mean? What do you mean? No, when I was trying to get in my car and you followed me to my car as I hate some bullying, you was a is it all right? Speaking of pores, so Tim's car. All right, hey, you're fighting all right. Yeah dude, I've got a taped up window and Tim's car. He can't unlock his car from the driver side. He has to go to the passenger side 07:39 unlock the passenger door and then lean over and unlock the door and then shut the passenger door. I mean, I don't know why he does this just climb over, but he shows the best because I have some dignity and then he walks around the whole car and gets in his driver's side. So yeah in between him walking around, I dove into his car and re locked the door and then he had to do it and like and and I did it because of 08:09 what do you mean? It's a hate. I hate crime. Do you by doing that we talking about yeah? I know that was it was more just the hate that I felt when you oh yeah. Anyways, I did that because he grew up crazy. I persecuted Tim and the pan express parking lot the other day. 08:35 I walked out of Panda Express with my teriyaki chicken and I said hey you little Lutheran boy. What are you doing? 08:47 it was pretty brutal. I literally thought like you were walking over. was like what are you doing? Are you going to ride back with me and you like got in my I like yeah, I'm gonna ride back with you like okay and I and we left and we left and I was driving away and I was like why would he you drove out? Why would you let Alex drive my car back? Yeah, I just took advantage. I don't know. It's funny. It was funny. It was funny. That's why I'm letting you brag about it publicly anyway, so this time to long okay. 09:17 We've done some bits yeah, Tom DeLong he so here's the deal. I was just saying all those cars are cool. I think I had a hot wheel version of all of those cars yeah me too and I had this tech deck. That's a real skateboard. I don't know if you know this yeah and then yeah here he is here. He is in in Blink way to he is in Blink one eighty two yeah this. How old were they when this when this band took off? Do you I mean the band started in ninety three 09:45 uh they were, I think, seventeen or eighteen. Scott was sixteen in that crazy. Yeah, everyone that's famous. Just so you know, if you've got dreams and you're like, I can make everyone who is famous has already been famous for their entire lives. Yeah, right. If you didn't, if you weren't a child actor, it's too late for you. Speaking of child actors, you want cross out for a second. uh We're looking at 10:14 Setting up a little fund for Archer for oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you did tell me this like a college fun, not really a college fund though, because like I don't Archer my son so would love to meet. 10:32 uh so we're looking to set up like a college fund, but I don't want it to be like strictly colors. There are funds that exist and that can only be used for college for and so like we I'm not interested in that because I'm like I want it to be something he could kick start his life is and if that's college great. If that is he wants to start a business great. If it's like I want to put it towards a home great whatever it is, what business would you like let Archer start like if Archer comes to you at ninety 11:01 he says that I need all that business money. I met a guy, this guy care to me and he gave me this energy drink and what I love about the energy drink is that it's Christian. You see the Christian energy drinks yeah. We I brought it to a show. I brought it to a recording of this podcast. I thought that's what you were calling back. 11:28 you did not bring in the yeah. We did a whole bit of our last to you. Do you remember this the guy I was at no no no no. That's what I'm referencing, but then this is a separate job with about Bryce cross yeah yeah yeah being like by the way I got it every drinks now yeah at passion conference. He's like I'm I'm launching a line of drip yeah you know what do you think we can get sponsored and just make fun of him in all our ads? Do think I 11:57 Do you think that would think they write the terms of our I think that they have time to listen to it? You know I'm like yeah, because I don't think they're going to get a lot of bites on that well, but anyway, so we'll talk. I'm saying like you pay you know what what businesses would you not let him are you told me this first of those got a lot of content? We can't do all this yeah. We'll get through it. Here's the thing. So we're that's kind of what I'm looking at for the right. 12:27 But what I'm finding out is if you're not doing that fund, a lot of the other funds are difficult to get the money to him. Yeah, because there's a limit that there's a limit that you can gift without it being something he pays taxes on. Right. And so obviously, if you're going to tax evade, you got to come up with a different way to do that. Yes. So it's got to be his own money. He's going to make his own money doing it. But as a kid, there's not a lot of lines of work you can do. 12:55 to make your own money and build your own fund. And so that's why a lot of people have their kids get into acting and modeling and dancing because those are careers a child can do to build these funds. And if they have, if they are making money, their parents then can just dump a bunch of money into a trusted and write them rich. And so it's a scheme. It's a scheme. Child actors are a skeet. Yeah. And what do you think should happen instead? 13:24 I think we should let the kids work. I like I literally in my head. I was like I bet I can get him to end up accidentally, accidentally pro child labor. No, I think I think I think people will disagree with this, but I think I should be just allowed to give my kid as much money as I want to give him yeah and and I think I should be able to rob your kid, so we are in an impasse. 13:54 What is Brooke think about it? I don't know. That's Blair. That's what your wife's name. I haven't seen them in so long, not even a month ago, not even literally earlier this month. Weeks ago, weeks ago, I saw Brooke and Alex. Did you name your kid Alex? I never Alex. Yeah, after all, 14:21 isn't that crazy? Speaking of taxes, I got a ten ninety nine for the insurance pay out a lot of content. yeah, come on okay, so this is do that crash out in the next episode. This is this is Tom DeLong. Okay, I tried really hard to let my mom or get my mom. Let me get my mom to let me do this haircut yeah and she never did. 14:45 and I've never forgiven you mom. I know you're watching the bleach blonde hair. I wanted it so bad. I wanted it so bad anyways, so ah is he was he the lead singer blink one eighty two there's two singers Mark and Tom are the least. He's lead guitar only guitar. It's a three piece yeah, but yeah they they switch off singing and the way the band started in nineteen ninety three uh Mark and Tom met the day they met uh Mark. You don't got to do all this 15:15 you don't have to pretend the episodes about blink one eighty. It is about blink one eighty two. It really is about blink. The toy, the stories are intertwined. It's like a strain of DNA. You don't got to do the Well, the band started and they were lifelong friends. They weren't well. They were high school enemies and then they were like well for a talent show like let's you know they were the vice principles at the school and they both thought that they were going to be the ones in charge and 15:45 then the whole principle left and this new lady came in and the enemy of my enemies. My first have you even watched vice principal of the it's it's worth it. It's really you know. I'm saying like get to the alien bar. I know one you don't know this is important okay, but don't the store. I won't spend too much time on it. I guess okay fine. Oh wow! We've only done this for six and a half minutes. No, I started it. I realized oh shoot. Oh shoot. What are we actually at Alex twenty 16:14 About 15. Yeah, okay, so I'm only 10 minutes late on the time over here. So They met they met he went mark went to Tom's house They realized they like the same kind of music and it was kind of one of those things like have you ever have you ever been in one of those situations where you're like Oh, I got a friend crush on this person. You know, talking about You definitely have you definitely have where you're just like I want to be this person's friend friend crush makes that sound weird But that's what it is. You're like, I really want to be this person's friend 16:43 and I can't think of a single person that's ever happened with shut up. 16:50 Alex? 16:52 No, I don't care for our approval. Well, Mark had a friend on normal crushes. That's usually what that ended up being. I was like I want to be that girls friend. Do you want to be friends? 17:18 yeah. guess I could understand you. Yeah, you got friend crushes sure people. You just really want to be that most most of my friend crushes though, and this is you know, this is the nature of the business that I do is like I have trouble differentiating between. I don't want to be that friend or do I think that being that person's friend will give me a strategic advantage of my career. Yeah, that sucks. You know it does. I agree and I but I don't think I don't I'm not you. I think that's today. Yeah, of course, I think I'm not about a lot of people. I'm not intentionally yeah 17:47 but like that's thing that I just go like. Do I enjoy hanging out with this person or is this advantageous for me yeah and like that's which is why you hang out with me yeah, you eight and a half. Well, you got to add a ten to that plus eight. No, so they kind of he had kind of a crack mark had a friend crush on Tom because I mean let's look at it so cool and so 18:16 he that day, the day they met, he climbs the light pole outside his house and falls and breaks both his legs. What we mean outside Tom Delon's house yeah there. He's just like a neighborhood and basically right out since outside San Diego's like I, I, hey, you're my friend, yeah, well, you my friend if I like I'm now I pull yeah and so he does it. He falls, he breaks both his legs uh crazy and then there are friends for life. Okay, uh 18:43 and they wrote the first song that they ever wrote that day. Okay, before he broke his legs, he broke his legs at the end of the day, but they wrote a song called carousel. See what I'm talking about. He you don't have to get to the alien stuff. Dude, there's alien stuff coming and in thirty minutes from now you're going to be like okay, we got a lot and you're saying he broke it like there are songs, they were a song and they broke it like 19:07 this is and they but not him. They wrote this before the song came before they broke the leg. First of all, this was the thing. If you to whatever this I broke my legs, my legs are broken. The song was like to break my legs like I'm this even it's all break. No, I'm legitimately getting frustrated. Just freaking do the thing. Okay, whatever fine. So then they started the band like one a two yeah and they're like a skate punk band 19:36 It's normal storyline of a band. Local bands started doing well, started touring, started touring with the big skate punk bands, eventually got signed, became the bigger band in the scene. And then they created pop punk, essentially. Yeah. Like there was a bunch of punk bands before them, but they were the first ones to be really poppy. And then they rose to a kind of ridiculous level and they were always uh super childish. And like their their shows were weird because 20:05 They honestly joked around more than they played music, and so the two of them honestly, it probably feels a lot like what listening to our podcast feels like, where you would go to their show and people would be like, can you play a song? Can you do what we're here for? I broke my legs. My legs are broken. And then Tom's like, dude, we got to play the songs. And he's over there like, we're going to play the songs, but I got to do this thing. And like, no one's laughing. And Tom's like, we got to remember that. And he's like, I broke my legs. 20:35 and then times like do I'm only friends of this guy because I feel so bad that he broke his legs in front of my house and it's like do I I am only in this because I knew you had a friend crush on me and I felt bad for you. This is a make a wish, but you don't have a make a wish. Yeah, you I felt you regret that joke halfway through the thing. He went. This is a man. Oh, like you were like I shouldn't have said that 21:05 And you shouldn't have. 21:10 I broke my legs. The kid he broke his legs and then I walked out there. He's like hey, what do you wish for? He's like I want to be in the biggest pop punk bed in the war and he's like what's pop punk you'll and I are to find it. What is pop and then they rose to such heights as playing the Shrine Mosque? feel Missouri a weird that was too small for them. I didn't make sense. It was a good show. You went to incredible show 21:41 Anyways, if you can't tell blinks, one of my favorite bands of all time and I'm not and whatever we don't have to anyway, so they they were very childish was like a thing, a big thing about their goofing around. They goofed around all show their music videos. Every single one of them was a joke. They were like super immature, toilet humor about everything. Sure, they put songs on every album, three or four of them that were just jokes, just 22:09 dirty and appropriate jokes. uh And then in 2005, something happens with the band. uh Since then, their original drummer became an alcoholic. They kicked them out and they brought in Travis Barker and third gigantic to an arena tours around the country. And Tom has all this free time because he's just in a bus. It's interesting to me how they all created individual like celebrity personas. 22:38 pretty, pretty interesting. They each have like extreme star power. That's right. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. And I would say Tom, Tom and Travis have like ultra star power. Mark has star power. Yeah. Yeah. Tom and Travis are superstar power. Right. But anyways, which Travis being the biggest of them though, I think I would say so he built, he built a pretty big name for himself after their first, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before then 23:07 I whose first break up hit the band or him in the bad. No, but nothing does better for PR if I was like a professional uh public relations person, which I would love to pivot to do to be on yeah. Nothing is more exciting than than a celebrity being like yeah. I think we're going end this relationship and I'm like oh, okay, give me like a six week run up and then you can end 23:35 because like we can we can really milk this yeah, but yeah so in the we should what she do you got it. You're trying to leave what she do 23:48 she she pulled your back back. So tell me about her skin routine. You according to a lot of the comments on this video, you're being abused and it's not funny. According to the comments on this video, you should get out. 24:11 that's so crazy. Some people have messaged me and been like hey, if you're not joking and I'm like I'm not joking, I'm not loser. Nobody abuses me. I don't have trauma that's dramatic. That's crazy. uh 24:38 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of things. I learned last night. If you like this show, we would love to see in our Patreon. It's a great way to financially support the show. We don't make money from this. It just helps us to pay the people who do make money from this like Alex and Robert, her editor and maybe one day, one day me and Tim, maybe one day, know, but only if you join only if you join, can't wait. We can't get paid until you pay. Can't feed Tim's kid until you join. He's so 25:20 So, backtrack just a little bit, guess. Throughout the 90s, they're touring a ton. They get signed, they put out a couple records, and then they put out their album Dude Ranch, and in the scene, it's a smash hit. ah It's not the same huge commercial success that they'll have one day, but in the scene, it's a smash hit. They start playing bigger venues, they start headlining tours, and it becomes a thing where it's like a grind, where they don't, and I think this is true of a lot of people who attain success, like, 25:49 You don't know if this is going to last forever. And so they're like, oh, like we need to take advantage of this while we can. So they're touring like 200 days out of the year. They're like constantly on the road. So we have to keep hammering this or this goes away. in those early days, they're van tours. And so they're driving a van everywhere, trading off driving responsibilities. And the band started in 93. They're 17, 18 years old. 26:16 And throughout the 90s, they have all this free time. And so he starts reading on the road. And this is the 90s. You don't have a phone. don't have game. Well, you have a Gameboy, but that's it. And so he reads uh alien, like extraterrestrial conspiracy theory books on the road is what he starts to get into. He spends all this time reading this stuff and it becomes this thing where him and Mark, uh Mark does not buy any of it. 26:45 and they're best friends. They talk all the time. he gets Mark starts to get very annoyed with Tom's obsession with aliens. And to the point where like he genuinely will just quit listening to him talk like he will leave the room if he starts bringing stuff up because like he's just like this is the stuff so stupid. uh 27:06 but Tom just keeps keeps hammering it keeps hammering it go hammering it yeah simultaneously. They are cannot really they put out this new album in ninety nine smash smash is to the smash hits. Sure, sure this is the record that has all the small things on it, which is probably the one. If you know any bling songs, that's the one you know yeah, it's the one that goes all the small things after all that's their 27:36 biggest hit and so so from that point they're they're catapulted from like top of the like punk scene they're in to top of the entertainment uh and they are playing arena. What year is that they put out? I'm gonna say in the ninety nine and so it becomes just they're everywhere. They're all over the place. They're doing music videos. They're doing appearances. They're doing shows, uh but they've kind of and I think Tom started to feel as Mark not so much, but Tom at this point they're coming 28:05 to their late 20s. They've been doing this for a minute. And he is uh honestly kind of growing up a little bit. And he's looking at the way they act on stage, the kind of childish songs that they're writing, and even just the style of music. And he's not totally into it the same as he used to be. And so he's wanting to venture out a little bit artistically to write some more serious stuff and to write like darker music uh and to not be so childish. 28:35 But Mark is like, we can't do that because that's not who we are. Our brand is this. Yeah. People want this. We can't do this. So there starts to be some tension creatively. So uh Tom goes and he starts a side project called Boxcar Racer, which is really dark, much more like emo. Yeah. And then explores a lot of like complex things uh like philosophical topics that Blink would never explore. uh And that creates just a huge amount of tension in the band because 29:05 He went and started this band without Mark. ah He took Travis with him. And so the two of them did this other band without Mark and Mark's like, what are we doing? Didn't tell them that they were going to do it. And so just created this internal strife for four years until finally in 2005, they broke up. ah Tom goes and starts Angels and Airwaves, which is another really big band. And they are broken up. He's continuing his little I read alien books all the time fascination. Sure. Throughout this period. 29:34 And then in 2008, Travis gets in this plane crash, very bad plane crash. A lot of people on board. Well, his best friend on my, I don't know if it was his best friend, his close friend on board dies in that, in that plane crash. Definitely a tragic event. And it brought the band back together because they were like, Oh, Travis almost died. He's physically very, 30:03 went through this physical trauma. And so they kind of settled their differences, reunited the band, got back together, put out a couple more albums, started touring again. Meanwhile, in the background, Tom is like starting to make inroads with all the people who wrote these books he's been reading for decades because he's like, Oh, I've got this fame and fortune. Let me use it. And so 30:28 I'm just sitting here dude like this is so much back story for yeah. Do Tom got rich? This is part of the story. You're like this is playing crash. He broke his legs. I freaking do it story. These are our creative differences. I'm ticked off dog. Yeah, so the podcast ended because Jaren decided that Tim doesn't know how to tell a story. This is part of the story. This is a poor bar. Okay, 30:55 I swear dude, if I don't, if I don't need the detail that in two thousand and eight they got back together and then oh, is that another been? It was crazy because angels and airwaves is a relevant detail. I'm getting so mad over here. 31:13 okay to top on alien, so this stretch of this stretch of blink one to uh they uh he is what's. I guess you could say ditching his responsibilities as a member of the band to go meet these authors of the books and people who have quote unquote experienced as he's doing a site. He's doing a side quest where he's like talking to the people who wrote these alien books yeah 31:42 and he's realizing that a lot of these people know him and because of his star, so yeah, like a wall, mail and people know your name, and so they go yeah, okay, yeah, I'll talk to you about this stuff right, and so for the next few years he continues doing that continues doing that and it creates this massive tension in the band, because now the band is not able to fulfill some of their obligations because tom is not around. He's like not showing up. He's not answering emails. He's not talking to them because he's like. Oh, I was 32:09 I was talking to some government personnel and I didn't have my phone on me because I was in a secure location and his band, me just doing drugs. He was just doing drugs. Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, are wrong. I mean you are wrong. No, you are wrong that he wasn't doing drugs. Well, he probably was doing drugs, but I'm saying yeah government officials like did you're blacked out on your couch for all like that's what that was. 32:39 So long story short and sorry I can see the Tim's upset that I am. I am talking bad about one of his heroes. He is one of my ears, but I do think I do think that this this obsess this pet obsession of his ah really frustrates me. I'm not going to lie because I do think like if he would have just been focused on one thing being the band I love. I think like I think he killed a great thing. Okay, pursue this other thing that I don't think was worth his time. 33:09 sure, but from two thousand eight to twenty fifteen is this trend of the Bay and missing the obligations because Tom's not around because he's talking to government officials sure and if uh eventually this kind of crescendos in a moment in twenty fifteen where Tom's agent emails Mark and Travis and says Tom is out indefinitely. He's changed his number. Do not try to contact him, which goes no contact yeah, which sucks to do to somebody 33:37 that like you've been friends with since ninety three. This is right ninety three to twenty fifteen and they were like best friends. It wasn't just like they were kind of friends yeah and to not even give them like a conversation is crazy and so he makes a public statement and in this public statement I want to actually pull this up because this is a crazy thing to say. He leaves the band and he says hold on. Let me find this. uh He says that his plan um from here on out is he is working with another author 34:07 and he plans to co co write fifteen novels ah and write accompanying eps for each of the uh books and then he wants to release four albums to with angels and airwaves to by himself as solo albums and then three of those are going to include a companion tom de long yeah. This is tom so this is what he's saying he's leaving the band. Oh, I thought you said the time the long was boxcar racer. He did boxcar racer yeah and then I thought you said that mark hoppins was angels and airwaves. No tom was also angels and airwaves 34:36 Tom when Tom left Blink the first time he started angels now is also like that's another band. He started okay and blink ways. He first broke out in two thousand five Mark and Travis went and they started plus forty four without him um go back and re listen to it. Tom goes and he starts a side project called box car race. Tom goes and starts angels and air waves is angels and air. I'm his angels now is yeah and see yeah. This is 35:03 but I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it so so his whole what he says outspokenly here yeah. I'm basically going to do all these creative endeavors by myself. I don't need these guys. I don't need Mark and Travis Mark and Travis. Then they go get Matt Sceba to replace Tom as the vocalist and they continue doing blink without him. 35:29 Mark or Tom is very quiet for the next couple of years. And then in 2017, he comes out and says he's launching this company called To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences. And OK, this concept of this company is it's going to be a few things at once. He's saying, OK, we're going to be a entertainment company first. And the entertainment stuff is going to bring funding into the company. 35:58 but we're going to have a wing of the company that is a science and aerospace research organization. And so all of the stuff he knows, which is entertainment, is going to fund his aerospace and science research. Sure. And so he puts together this group of people. ah You might recognize some of these names because we've talked about them on this podcast before. Yeah. Harold putt Hoff, putt off, putt off. I always say his name wrong. 36:26 you might remember him from a remote viewing episode. He's the guy who came up with remote viewing okay and did did the story that ended up being what stranger things was based off of this is herald puff and then lew elizando ah he we talked about what story was story. The strange things based off of I thought it was based on Montoc yeah, which is puttuff. 36:51 Okay, so that's another is the research. Yeah, that's actually true. Yeah, we also did an episode on the Montag. That's true. Yeah, yeah, Louel is on dough, which I'm trying to think of where we talked about him. We I know we talked about him in the skin, walker, and part is this why you were so into aliens for a little bit because you were like oh my gosh, one of my childhood and that's how dangerous like this. What I talk about like what I like the right wing pipeline right is that 37:18 it's any pipeline exists because Tim looked up the Tom DeLong mistake and then was on hold on look how cool he is. So Tim was like this is my hero right and then when this guy goes I Lander I quit. I'm I'm willing to throw away my multi million dollar career 37:43 for aliens, then Tim goes well. I mean he wouldn't do that for nothing, so Tim starts getting into it and then that's why in twenty twenty one we have a ton. We like ton ton of alien episodes on the show because and like I need you to know that in twenty one that that wasn't like Tim covering these stories. That was like Tim believe it is Tim Tim believe these stories and so is this why is this like honestly I've never thought about it, but there's probably something to that 38:13 there's probably there's probably a lot to that actually yeah, there's probably that's probably the main yeah, because you were like man. If we can grow this podcast to a certain level of fame, then maybe Tom DeLong will know me and then I may get his approval, which I have yearned for because I have a friend crush on him and then I can quit the ban or I quit the podcast to join Blink. So that's the play. That's the play. The play is both this podcast, the point where I get Tom DeLong success and then I can join 38:42 Okay, I want to make sure I outline the plan. I don't know if you knew that was your I don't know if I do that. So so Harold but off yeah Jim Simavan, who's just a science fiction or Luella Zonda. We I know we've talked about him in a couple episodes. He's a big UFO guy. um He used to work for a tip sure, which was the aerial threat identification program at the Pentagon. um 39:11 which we talked about in the skin walker ranch episode as a program that didn't actually exist, which who knows if it did or not. Steve justice he was. I'm drawing the blink on what he his what he did. He oh he was oh he worked at. know what he worked at what Steve justice ah wears a skin tight suit and so it there was like this whole like 39:40 all these separate colorful characters that were trying to pop up like yeah yeah superman classic right yeah yeah yeah and you got steve justice a normal you know suburban guy from from wisconsin yeah yeah yeah i know don't you know you know yeah and um yeah sometimes i like to go out and i fight crime on the weekend and drink drink a lot of beer and you know we have a good time yeah. 40:07 and so Steve Justice was a person who didn't didn't take down huge criminals. He didn't have an arch near his arch nemesis was the person who's not picking up the dog poop in his neighborhood. You know I got to say this my my neighbor. We have a weird neighbor and I don't care calling him weird because he's weird yeah and I was walking out and he goes well wish me luck. 40:35 going to the trash. I go yeah. What he goes, someone's someone let their dog poop in our little green area out here a couple days ago and it's been there for three days and no one's picked it up, so I'm going to go pick it up. What a good neighbor and I was like okay, good law. It goes out, but I looked at it and I said I said Larry. I think that's I think that might be coyote 41:05 he literally goes. While I hadn't considered that he's like going door to door. Is this your poop? He literally goes. He goes, you know that that would ease a lot of the the anger. I have felt the past couple of days. This is not. This is a word for word. A lot of the anger I felt the past couple of days because that would mean that someone was not inconsiderate and I was like yeah. 41:33 Yeah, man, it looks like it is just the coyote was inconsiderate. Next time you see it, you should kill it. He goes, and he goes, okay, well, I'm going to pick it up anyway. And I said, good luck, buddy. And I went inside 41:49 so like he's so I love him in a weird guy. Okay, do I tell you on the podcast about the Halloween incident? No, I can you tell people? Oh yeah, I can tell people after how we he's weird like yeah and he doesn't understand social cues. I don't think that yeah. I don't think it was an e malicious intent yeah, but after Halloween he 42:18 like he first of all he came over and was like you guys have any leftovers. This is a weird thing to do, but then he was like he told my wife. He said he said you looked so good in your costume. I was jealous that you were married to Jaron. It's a weird thing to say 42:33 and I in front of me and I was like yeah. That's so crazy to say that and she was like oh and I was like. I looked at you. I literally out loud to me. I said that was a weird thing. He goes now come on, and I said no, that was a weird thing to say and that's what I mean. Like you got to gently correct it because he I don't think he you know he didn't mean for that. He does not know he doesn't. He did not know that that was a weird thing to say yeah, so 43:03 but you know you you tell him you go down. Hey, that's a we can say that he is like okay, okay, sorry you're like all right, but he was really mad for three, but I was jealous. He was really mad for three days that somebody didn't pick up the top. So maybe he's Steve Justice. I don't know no Steve Justice. He uh he was an engineer uh for the advanced systems development team at Lockheed Martin, some skunk works division, which if you don't know who skunk works is 43:30 They're the ones who do all the secret projects. Skunk Works is the band that Mark and Travis started on the side. No Skunk Works Skunk Works did like the stealth bombers. That's our seventy one Blackbird like that Skunk Works. They do the cool secret jets that the Air Force flies yeah, and so he used to work for them. Steve Justice Chris Miser is a big banker and venture capitalist and then Christopher Mellon is heir to the Mellon family. 43:57 which, if you don't know who they are, they're a suelty fan crazy. They got water, can't whole. They got the whole enterprise dude on lock, the grapefruit even they're breaking into citrus. Yeah, they're dabbling and citrus there the whole melon fortune yeah. Okay, so 44:23 Thomas Melon. Okay, dude, you can go through every name on a stupid list. That doesn't matter, but I can't make the big Melon joke over here, dude. No, so the Melons, do you a big Melon I job hats the Melon family founded Melon Bank, which was a big bank through the eighteen hundreds. Okay, oh now you're trying to push the story along. They're kind of like the like 44:47 No, Tim, don't let me get in your way here like a second tier. I love this right now. Tim's really mad like a so much. I'm not like we have so it's gonna be a two hour episode because Tim couldn't shut up at the beginning. I need to call it a cool. I broke my legs. 45:09 I'm ruining this from the melon. I am intentionally ruining this episode. The melon family is like a second tier like Roth child or like Carnegie like which I don't know if you know this Carnegie Melon, the second level level. That's why they weren't first, but they are a very wealthy family Carnegie Melon. What you talking about? You don't know what Carnegie Melon is no that's like a big organization. 45:37 Okay. 45:40 big or university in Pittsburgh. Oh okay, it's a yeah. It's a big private university. That's why they're second. No, that's why Melon is second in that list. Carnegie's the big one, but Melon is yeah. That's why people calls Jaron and Tim. Anyways, I'm going to get him to explode by the end of this episode and then Andrew Melon yeah he was the longest running US second 46:10 secretary of the treasury. Yes, Christopher Mellon. He worked in government intelligence for the D. and then under the Bush and Clinton administrations. He was a uh congressional staffer for congressional intelligence. Okay, so working in this is what I do think sucks is that somebody could work for an office in a congressional office right now and then they can write a book about just insane stuff. 46:37 and people be like yeah. They work in production office, so yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like okay. Yeah, we'll get to that okay, so when so he comes forward and when we get to that and he holds this press conference and he looks like a different person now yeah. He looks he goes from this to this yeah is wearing a suit thin tie. I remember you so punk rock like do this is crazy and I was just like I didn't first of all I didn't watch it 47:06 but I was crazy. Yeah, he looks like a normal guy. He looks like a guy who believes this stuff. It was crazy because at this press conference he's got that staff behind him. We've seen this picture before yeah. So who did we we talked about Skeletor in the middle and the guy the beginning never we talked about Slender man in the in the middle and we talked about the vampire on the end who's just yeah. So that's 47:27 who was muing Christopher Melon, Melon, me with that jawline that's Christopher Mallon, Lou, Elizondo and then that's Steve Justice, Steve Justice and Slenderman. That's right. Okay, and then there's Harold put off. I do remember those photo. I don't know which episode with and it because I remember your big reveal being like you know that is. You know who that is. That's Tom DeLong. That's Tom DeLong. Why you got me do it? That's what you did cam from Tom. 47:59 Do you who that is? Tom DeLong. I thought you did. 48:07 yeah, but it's believable. I think I probably did and then you dab. It was too late for that. was twenty two. You were four years late. It was really late on the dab. 48:28 I don't know. We got to find. I'm sure our patreon supporters will know what this one is. I love having our patrons in the discord because like we can just we can reference the most obscure line and within minutes one of them will be like oh yeah. It's for my favorite episode yeah and you're like oh okay yeah. So whichever one we showed this picture in before yeah, so this was the big moment where he came for it in the disk and if you're not in the discord join pay there's a QR code 48:57 Right there. Tom DeLong. 49:09 Oh boy, am I sick? I sure do need Tim stones. Get well quick trick. And what is it? It's simply chug an entire gallon of orange juice. Wow. I forgot. And then this shirt reminded me, I'm so glad that I have this shirt as a public service announcement, a public health service to other people around me. Do your part. Get this shirt. 49:38 shop.tillam.com 49:47 this is the moment he came forward unveiled to the to the stars. What it was going to do, what the plan was to then star introduced, then introduced his board and like and it's this board that is supposed to invoke a lot of trust because they're experts in aerospace, engineering in the D. D. Like look these guys are real people yeah like who actual like I have a send bold the avengers of alien conspiracy. I mean kind of though actually like yeah um 50:16 and what's crazy is before this moment, a bunch of people were making fun of him because he would post these really cryptic Instagram stories of how he's like he's like I'm meeting with a general a four star general today and I know you're not Tom, but he will any repose a selfie with said general and the general in the picture is like very clearly been like a we can meet, but like you know this is a skiff that how do you have the ad listen? We can take a picture, but don't get Vlad in it. You got a crop flat 50:46 Is that the guy's name Vlad? Yes, Nixon. What do you do? Oh, who's the alien? Oh, what was that aliens name? What's that guy's name? The alien? remember the Nixon was like flat. That was the whole joke. Yeah, there's a subway inside the Pentagon. Yeah, yeah. Oh no, I remember this. It's it starts the it's one of our most hated episodes. ah 51:12 Oh gosh, the fans love it, but it's I mean it's the YouTube, Com YouTube, comments, a for that episode, hate us for it. ah It's it's on the tip of my tongue. It's like Vladimir Putin, no, because it's put that alien music, but you know that uh maybe don't we got flagged for the John Cena music. Just look up Vlad Alien. I guarantee you'll find it all right. We're in a race. You had a head start 51:41 you had a head start valiant for yeah. Shut up Alex. So good. I was looking it up. 51:52 cut. Hey, cut his Mike out, he telling Alex Valiant for this is his big coming out party to be like here's my company. Here's what we're playing. Here's what we're going to do. Here's my really smart board. They all get a chance to introduce themselves and talk and then he comes back out and he says so I've got a couple things to announce first. Check this out Val. That's what we're doing. He's like this is my rock first and check this out. This has been outside my apartment for three days. 52:22 somebody's inconsiderate dog pooped on my front yard and left this year for three days. Hey Tom, I think that might be like an alien rock. Well, what that would mean that I do have considerate neighbors that would make me much less angry and more intrigued. So this is this is an extra terrestrial system. uh 52:50 okay allegedly. So what he says is this is this is an alloy created by extraterrestrial life and he says what they know is that this consists of eighty distinct layers that are alternating layers. can see the layers yeah and he says there there are three alternating elements and he says this is part of an advanced engineering system from an extraterrestrial craft spacecraft and he said they're doing uh testing on how big is this thing we're looking at a rock. It's like this big. I was going to say yeah, it's just a little rock 53:19 I it's hard to tell on the surface that we're looking at. I didn't know if we're talking like this is a little pebble or you know it's about this big and so he says we're doing testing on it to understand what this is, how it was used and more importantly how it was manufactured and he says we're gonna we're seeking funding to continue that research to work on this when we begin to build a better understanding of what this is and how it's made. We plan to build this 53:50 and this is a real slide that he showed at this press conference about this is so stupid, and so if you're listening you want, you want to describe this sure it's got the log on the side. I know I'm trying to think of how to even start. Okay, so the center part looks like you know what probably like if you're a throwing dart without the feather at the end. Oh yeah, that's a good description. You had a big throw a gigantic throwing dart 54:18 and then right through the middle of that throwing dart was like a CD case. You know those cases that you hold like six CDs in yeah right in the middle of that and it's glowing blue like this is clearly like they're like oh we're going to make a flying saucer out of this, but we're going to put our logo on the side. Look on the side cracks me up like this is so dumb that it's like it's again then we're going to make this and then I feel like this makes everyone on stage just look so dumb. 54:49 because in order for this to work, it's not aerodynamic at all like it is now, but though that like the circle thing kind of messes off the air. That's not, but I mean as far as like if you're going, if you put wheels on the bottom of it sure, I guess it's not going to fly. Well, that's the idea is it's anti gravity, so they're building an anti gravity, and this is really important for you to hear as a listener so dumb. 55:16 show. Well, what they claim is that this guy, Slender Man, remember yeah, he worked for skunk works and he claims he had been working on anti gravity propulsion systems and so I defied the arts of gravity. That's like freaking he sounds like freaking he who shall not be named. Yeah, he sounds like Baltimore. 55:43 but also like his favorite song. He just like I joy the wicked movie. I'm defi he can't breathe. You look at him. He's freaking his body's struggling to exist in that chair. 56:06 his arms are too long, short, arms are too long, too long. Okay, so I am defying gravity and then with so that's what that's what the guys on the end of this group are going to do. They're researching that they're researching that rock 56:28 the guy, the guy in the far right is really funding this whole venture. He's a venture capitalist. Sure, second guy's research in the rock. The next guy, venture, get lists are typically on the far right, aren't they? 56:41 and then the guy in the middle Slender Man is going to build the spaceship once they figure out how he doesn't like us called in Slender Man and then the two guys on the left. They're like hey, the guy on the left over here like this is a bad picture. He does look dead like that's he looks like he's propped up in that jager. Dude, look at his eyes. He looks dead and then the guy standing up 57:10 did you know this that's Tom to long? I'm not letting you finish this episode. We're going be over three hours. I'm so mad at you for this, so the two guys on the left, their contribution to the company is we're going to leak government secrets, so they say check out these videos of ufos at the government. Oh, they put these out yeah. I remember that. What year is this? This is twenty seventeen okay, because I remember these videos yeah, so this is the Nimitz encounter. 57:38 you might remember a few weeks ago. I was like you remember the name. It's going to you're like no and I was like what ah and so this is the name mix encounter. There was a couple of different ships that encountered these, but there's three videos that they released to them went to the New York Times. One of them went to Washington Post. It was uh the go fast video, the Fleer video and the gimbal video yeah and essentially what they the store didn't hang green do a video on these or did I video on one of them? Yeah, I was going to say yeah. 58:07 ah and so especially I was a good breakdown. The story line here is that there was an exercise off the coast of San Diego in two thousand two or two thousand three somewhere around that range sure ah and aircraft carrier doing exercises fighter jets up in the air and it was literally just training exercises. Yeah, they're up there doing training. They get a radio signal that says hey, we got real world ah activation. There's something that we need to go pursue 58:34 and radar had been tracking these objects off the coast of San Diego for weeks and they said we're going to go and have you investigate them. So they follow they go out to the location where these objects allegedly are uh off the coast of Catalina actually and they get out there and what the pilots say to Barbara. Catalina yeah Catalina yeah. Oh wow it's pretty far up from San Diego yeah they're flying. 59:04 Tim, I don't think you know what you just did to me. 59:10 I think that you opening that story by saying off the coast of San Diego and then tell they were so lina they were doing. They were doing. was just trying to I was just trying to get some clarity. They were doing like earlier. You told me that Mark was went and started angels and airwaves and then later you reference it as Tom's band. I'm just trying to get clarity. They were doing exercises off the coast of San Diego. The crash was spotted here, Catalina. Yeah, of course they can get to Catalina because they were defying gravity. 59:40 It's only funny when I do it. 59:48 you got real sibling energy. It's only twenty one. I they fly out there. Yeah, they see these craft and they describe it as a tick tack. Okay, they engage one of them and essentially it looks like a big tick tack. Think of we did an episode a while ago about that cop in New Mexico. can't remember his name who sees that lot is a more a lot is a more. I thank you. You're you know more about anything that I do. I know more about our episodes that you do for sure. 01:00:18 it's almost like I care about the show. want to grow it. It's almost like you can remember things. It's almost like I have the that they had in the early two thousands of link with it like oh man, we really got to keep after this. Otherwise, it's going to die and you're just like it's coasting and I'm like no, no, no, no, this thing's going to die. If we don't take care of it and you're like is like I'm like I want to go talk to some generals. Yeah, I'm like okay, now it's over there like he's doing his other. He's trying to he's on his other. He's like he's like I got to get out of this 01:00:48 podcast producer, producer, he types of two fingers. He's one of those. Oh dude, my wife has her nails. Watching her type enrages me. It makes me so man. I'm always like just give me the computer because she got it. She has to be like this yeah, so her nails don't get. Here's what I realize you just don't like others people doing stuff because you get mad when I type to 01:01:14 I looked at Alex and I was like no you were right on that one dude. The way you type is crazy. Yeah, I type with some force like I've got something to say you type like the keyboard is at your toes. You're like yeah got freaking I got to get this thing. Oh yeah, I got things to say this in this email right now just freaking. 01:01:34 that's how you type people in the lobby can hear it. Yeah, that's the way I like it. That's the way I like it. My wife is like she's like a 01:01:46 and I'm like just give it lap dog is free and she's like you just don't trust me to do anything and I'm like well, well, you're palming the keyboard. The same I hate the noise like it's the same thing like sandpaper. can't do that. I hate the noise of uh of like nails on a phone really yeah. I can't do like you know like the or like the same thing like if people have the sound on and they've got the clicking for the 01:02:15 I hate. I don't know what it is, but it's like a sensory thing where I go yeah. Yeah, I hate the sound interest. I don't know anyway. Interesting well, you know, so the jets they they follow the tick tack through the sky yeah and speaking of tic tacs, I I'm just trying to do as many stupid things I can because I want this episode to be two hours long so that later I can be like hey look at all the stuff you did. So they engage this tick tack and the tick tack starts to mirror their movements and is like almost like toying with them. 01:02:44 And then long story short, they follow it down to the coastline and then they follow it up. Sorry, not the coastline, basically sea level. And then it shoots back up and then it rockets off to like Baja California is there in just a few seconds. Yeah. And so they go back, they get back to the ship. The men in black are there and they're confiscating all the radar equipment and taking interviews with them and telling them you can't talk to anybody about that. If you do, we're going to kill you and everybody you ever loved. They didn't say that part, but they was heavily implied. 01:03:14 and that was the encounter and that was the encounter with all three of these situations. And so they put out these videos being like, look, we got video proof of it. ah And this broke was massive news. Right. And the and it was kind of lauded as the government basically being like, yeah, there's UFOs and we don't know what they are. And it and this moment also changed the conversation. UFOs stop being called UFOs. They started being called UAP. Yeah. And there's all these congressional hearings that started happening. All this like 01:03:43 movement. Yeah, it's like public acknowledgement that there are things happening in our skies that we don't know what they are and we need to figure out what they were. The people at To The Stars Academy, with the exception of Tom DeLong, with the exception of Tom DeLong, we're very careful to be like, we don't know what these are. We will not say aliens. They could be one of our adversaries. They could be uh some private company. 01:04:09 It could be extraterrestrial. It could be some sort of phenomena like actual natural phenomena. We don't understand. We just want to learn what they are was his team. Tom was very much like these are aliens. These are aliens that are interdimensional beings and we need to learn gauge with them. Yeah, learn from them. Yeah. And so here's what's really interesting about all of this, though. When you look at the storyline, when you look at this from two angles, one our skin walker ranch, part two episode, 01:04:39 In that episode, we talked about how uh this whole storyline was created around Skinwalker Ranch from really one guy who was a psychopath and managed to convince a bunch of uh people in government positions to believe the psychotic things he believed and put government funding towards the research he was doing at Skinwalker Ranch. And then there was this series of what appeared to be cover-ups 01:05:07 of, shoot, we spent millions of taxpayer dollars looking for ghosts on this guy's branch. We probably shouldn't have done that. And so we got to bury this was kind of the skin marker ranch story. There's a lot of overlap with skin marker ranch with everything that was happening here. Right. There's also a storyline shortly after uh the original Roswell incident, where there was a guy in radio, I don't recall his name, but there was a guy in radio, which we have not done an episode on the Roswell incident. We have not. 01:05:35 because Roswell is very, very well known, but I don't know why you don't know why. Yeah, I mean know there's an alien thing. Oh, but like I don't yeah. I don't know that story. Maybe we should, but shortly after the Roswell incident, we should go back in time to when you believed this. There was a radio personality, very famous uh rush limbaugh that was brought into this world. 01:06:00 in honestly a very similar way. A bunch of high ranking government officials started talking to this guy and telling him a bunch of secrets. And he started taking those secrets public and parading these secrets. And since then, ah the general understanding of what happened there is he was a convenient fool. And so he was someone that they could say a bunch of stuff to that were not true, that he could then parade around as if they were true. 01:06:29 and the public would begin to say, oh, the government has alien bodies at the bottom of Area 51. Right. While meanwhile, at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, they were building the SR-71 Blackbird. Right. And so it was kind of like a three car Monte where you were tricking the public to be like, look at all the alien stuff while you did something real back here. Yeah. And it's beginning to appear like Tom DeLong was the useful idiot where you could say, 01:06:58 Hey, let's let him show these weird videos of stuff that we know that these aren't really actual aliens. We understand what they are, but we can act like we don't and we can bring them to the public and a bunch of people will talk about them. Probably work on all this stuff back here and no one else will be, will have any idea of what we're actually doing. What was the stuff back here they're working on? We don't know, cause they kept it secret while they leaked all this stuff to Tom DeLong and to Congress and to the news. And it became this big thing that was on podcasts. 01:07:25 and Tom's touring all the big podcasts, all the podcasts are talking about it, talking about how aliens are real. While what I think is actually going on is they're working on some special project that they don't want anyone's eyes on. Yeah. And Tom was just the very useful mouthpiece that they could take forward to do that. Does he know that now? No, um he is very outspoken about how he was right. He actually sells shirt shirts on his website that say Tom was right. um 01:07:53 about aliens and how like he proved it. He got this conversation out in the public eye and got people comfortable with acknowledging that something else is out there. And who knows? I guess like you could say there's a possibility that that is that all of this was genuine and these people were genuine. I don't think that's the case. think. Right. Best case scenario. These are a bunch of this. This group is a bunch of people who believe in some crazy stuff and. 01:08:20 they have a lot of money and time to pursue it um and a lot of influence to bring those things public and get a lot of other people to believe it. That's best case scenario. Worst case scenario is this everyone behind him is using him to uh miss lead the yeah, which I think, but I think that that's another thing that keeps happening to is that people keep assigning like motive yeah to incompetence. 01:08:48 yeah where it's like oh there's some dark shadow figure cabal group that's pulling the strings and they're they're doing it. It's just like no, I think it might be true that all those people are just straight up drinking their own Kool Aid. I couldn't be more confident that that's the storyline was skinwalker ranch yes Tom DeLong. I but think I could see that being the storyline. I think I should say I think there's potential that that's the storyline, but I do think that he got a lot of access that 01:09:18 doesn't make a lot of sense course, and I think that that's possible that that's incompetence, but I do think that I mean we have record that this happened after Roswell with that other guy. saying I think it think about the bubble that these people live in on those worlds. I mean think about the way that we used to look at the world and think about the world when we did a Vangel yeah and then when we worked at churches yeah and like the things that we would say or do it then now if either of us said that to us yeah. 01:09:47 Yeah, yeah, I go shut up relax, shut up, you know, relax little brain. Okay, I was you know you're dumb, ah stupid boy. mean like that's what I mean is that I think that they're so engrossed in their own like and it's also the thing that a lot of scientists end up struggling with is the searching for answers to what you want it to be. Yeah, 01:10:18 of like this confirms this yeah and it's like no, no, no, no, this is I. I agree with you. I would say that like I would probably say I'm like fifty one forty nine forty nine being that's the scenario where they're all just done. uh I think I have a very slight edge and likelihood that they were using him 01:10:37 they might have done that my lies that might be true, but I don't think that that means that they knew everything the whole time and that they also kind of ulterior motive possible, but I do think that it could also be true that they genuinely believe that the aliens exist and they think that him being the mouthpiece would get more funding for it for sure for sure. I that could be as you know there could be motives behind them using that that aren't distraction. You know because I asked the thing that I think the past 01:11:07 couple years. I've just realized is that none of these people are smart enough to like none of these people work well together. Yeah, everyone wants to be the star of everything. Everyone wants to be the person and so they can't. They can't work together to pull off a heist on us. I'm saying yeah. I mean 01:11:31 it depends how big of a group we're talking about. I think I do think if we're talking a small group within the Cia, they can do it for sure for sure, but if we're talking about the government as a whole now, but I think that in that scenario, that's what I'm talking about in that scenario was a small group. All those people on the stage are useful idiots. I think yeah, I could I could I'm that being possible as well. you know yeah, but anyway, so you like this episode. I'm not done yet. This is going to make you so bad. 01:11:58 So I, so Mark has got cancer and then they became friends again because it was like oh none of this stuff matters and then they re they got the band back together and they put out an album that actually sounds a lot like their old stuff. I think Tom in which win twenty twenty two twenty two. I mean the album didn't come out for a couple years, but I to you did I not say two thousand two did I not go back and re listen to it in twenty twenty two uh but anyways, so they got the band back together after this big splash in the water moment. 01:12:27 To the stars got really big for a minute. They put out a couple books They welcomed private investment a bunch people could invest in it They said they needed about 38 million dollars to build that craft. They raised somewhere around six or seven So as far as we can tell they're not really doing any of this stuff anymore. They haven't really released anything He's working on most of the entertainment stuff. The books are still coming out The movies are still coming out some of the music stuff is still happening uh But by and large the big thing that they did here with this first press conference They haven't done anything like that since it doesn't appear that they're working on anything like that 01:12:58 he's touring the world with Blink 182 again and yeah doing stuff just like classic Blink 182 again, which lends me to believe honestly that he burned all the money he had on this experiment and that he has to do this. Yeah, he has to go back to what he knows because I don't. I genuinely think that since the early two thousands, he grew out of what Blink 182 was creatively and like philosophically and like just maturity level right. don't think he wants to create that kind of stuff anymore. 01:13:26 even though like it helped build a career for him. I just think like he out grew it say what you will about that. I think he out grew it, ah but I think he he's backing it not because he loves it or wants to do it, but because he asked to yeah, so that's why I do stand up. ah So anyways, I hate it. uh I podcast. I hate doing stand up. I just have to do it because rent is due all that to say I I burned all my money on aliens. 01:13:55 all that to say. I love this guy, Tim, wants to say his piece at the end. All that to say you can go. love this guy episode. I hate this guy. I hate this guy so much. He killed something that I loved. Oh my gosh to all right. Well, if you're still here, you started this episode on Monday. It's now Thursday afternoon and take a break. You deserve it. You 01:14:24 I go join us on Patreon all that stuff, though we'll see you next week. I got we got to get out of here.