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00:00 Hey, the government figured out mind control and they use this one weird trick to do it. Yuri Geller was an illusionist who claimed to the very end that he was not an illusionist that he really did have special gifts and he was CIA certified like they were studying him and the CIA was even convinced that this guy is legitimately doing these things yeah yeah hey it's a March twenty fifth. What do you got going on nothing? 00:25 Sweet all right. Well, thanks for checking out. Okay, so this is things on those nights comedy podcast. It's an evergreen network podcast. You can check us out there, but all of my shows are in jerryminers.com slash shows. We're getting into Easter. It's the time of the year where like I maybe stuff will pop up. I usually don't have a whole lot till after Easter, but after Easter I do have pretty busy schedule, so come hang out. 00:48 Hey man. What's up? Hey man. 00:52 Have you ever heard of Yuri Geller, Yuri, Yuri Geller, Yuri Geller? Yeah, yeah, hurry. It might be early, Yuri, early. I think it's Yuri, Jerry, Yuri, Yuri Geller. Have ever heard of him? No, we've actually talked about it on this podcast before we have. Yeah, we have, but we haven't done an episode about it. He's Ross's brother. 01:16 Yeah, close. Here's a picture of him. Maybe this will help you. If you see him, maybe you'll know who he is. Ready? 01:32 blocking out the haters. Here's another picture of here's another this point out. I don't know if you can tell he's a big guy. I hold on to that. Let me say that again. I don't mean it's a big spoon guy. I mean like he's he loves spoon. He's a big spoon man. Why I'm trying to put together why we would have talked about Yuri Geller before 01:57 Cause he loves... He loves spoons. This guy must love spoons. 02:08 Okay, it's picture guys. We have so much. Let me show you another one. This one might make you help you get it ready. Yeah, 02:25 Oh, are you faking it? Do you know what this is? I know I what if I show you this one been the is he an illusionist yeah yeah yeah there you go, there you go, yeah you're catching on you're catching on he is 02:38 okay, here's the thing he's not and he doesn't brand himself and as a losing an illusionist, he's a psychic. He is a psychic sure, so here's the story of that guy drives around in a car covered with spoons. 02:56 My favorite thing about it is it's not even like a great car and I think it's a hearse dude. You think that you see this skull on the front? I think that's a hearse. could be a hearse. That's kind of that's kind of freaking actually covered her soon. Her's that's kind of cool. Here's the thing though. I'm not sure like if the spoons on the sides. I don't know if those are real spoons like that might be like a like a rap. I mean obviously the top. Those are definitely spoons. 03:23 but like I'm saying, I definitely sticking off the side yeah sure yes. I don't know because if you look at the front by like the by the headlight that looks like a rap. I don't think so. I don't know anyways. This guy he's the spoon guy. He's the guy who made the spoon bending thing a thing okay. So if you don't know Christian illusionists do this thing where they all hold you hold hands like four people 03:46 and then they do something weird to the for the first person's hand. They go and the spoon bends in a bag for hands away kind of thing and they open it they go. The only illusion is the illusion. The devil sold you when he told you that life was going to make you happy, but what's going to make you happy is following Christ. The true illusion is following for the sins of the world. All right, 04:13 that's what they do. I don't know they they spin it at the end all right. Oh my God, speaking of spinning at the end. Another thing is artists love to paint and they spin it upside down. It was Jesus the whole time, so maybe that's if you turn the car picture upside down, it's Jesus. Don't do it. Get out this. Move on to the next bit. Okay, why are we talking about this guy pretty interesting stuff? You know he's an illusionist. He does the spoon stuff and 04:41 He married this girl and then he died and that girl died in his house and that's kind of it. Oh, remind me to talk to you about that at the end of the fill. Of course. Yeah, of course. So Yuri started his 04:57 life as a child and he was a grade school. He had a he had an experience and so here's what happened. He was he punctured his tongue with a fork and said never again ever again. Well, I touch one of these and so instead he just damaged spoons for the rest of his life. No he he had a moment. He was at school and he was on the play playground and you know plan and then he looked and then something got his eye 05:26 and he looked up at the sky and it was a silver flying disc and he said in that moment he felt this connection to this dead serious. He felt the connection to this disc. No, it is he felt the connection to this disc and he has since talked about this experience as an adult. Okay, and says I don't know what exactly happened there. He said I think it could have been a few things said. I think it could have been my mom and dad were fighting the night before and I just needed a reason to carry on 05:58 okay, that I got made fun of in the class right before that and I just really needed a reason to feel special. Okay, I could have been 06:08 that I was getting shipped off to a church camp I didn't want to go to that summer and I was really afraid that I was not going to make any new friends. But then when I got there, I met this counselor and he was like, you're going to fit in great. And then that counselor was actually really mean to me on Thursday night and kind of forced me to go forward and raise my hand and say that I accepted Jesus even though I didn't really feel anything. And he stood there and made sure that I spoke in tongues. And I was like, I don't even know what this means. Then he was like, you just got to do it. And I was like, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he was like, that's ASMR. I'm not falling for that. 06:32 and I was like stupid a by and he was like that's the Lord. He wasn't and I'm the thing played with that guilt and so I just needed a reason to get out of this world and so I imagine that a spaceship is going to come and take me away to playground and then so that's probably what that was though. That was one of the things he said and he said or it could have been or it could have been or a alien. Exactly yeah. He said it could have been aliens and they could have been trying to communicate to me and that's what I felt and he said or 06:59 it could have been or one of my classmates was trying to steal all the snack cakes from the cafeteria and I was just creating a diversion. So I said look at that big thing in the sky and all the speakers came out and everyone looked and I was like whoa, but I then me and my buddy were actually sneaking into the cafeteria to sneak all the food and then years later there's a documentary being made because this whole class saw something in the sky, but really it was just me and my friend who made it up the whole time. We're like yeah sorry we made that up. Sorry you flew your documentary crew to Africa to cover this and then we looked at these two identical 07:29 hand drawn dry and we had to watch this podcast or be like look how different they are even though they're the same drawing. You don't talk about yeah, so it could have been that it could have been a he said or it was was that that was the psychologist. What was his name? He was a psychologist who 07:52 believed the kit. Oh, that was about the psychologist because he was it was one those ones where I bait and switch to you. had a toral totally normal. That's right, psychologist career and then all of a sudden he got into aliens. Okay, so anyway, this one's not a bait. This is where we're starting. This one's reversed. Well, I'm going to start with aliens and we're going to we're going to switch later pivot to we're to pivot to I don't know. the normal he said or is it or or it was like God he's like God was speaking to me through this light and like sure blessed me 08:21 or some sort of interdimensional being and he said, but he said whatever it was, or I know for sure is it's not made up in my head. Yeah, well, he actually did say that he said, or maybe it was a projection from in my okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, so maybe it was a projection. He was like it's either aliens or the god of the universe. I know it's not for sure is that it was just made up in my kid brain that I have my kid brain just came up with it, but he said he said whatever it was. It defies explanation because he said at that moment is when he felt the power well up within him sure, and so he then 08:50 had the psychic power and he realized oh, I can read everyone's minds like I know what everyone around is thinking now. I saw that thing and now I know what you're thinking and they're like well, what am I thinking and he's like you didn't actually he's like thing did you I could do it right? I can read your thoughts right now. I do it. 09:18 and you're thinking no, you can't you idiot, how close close that's actually pretty close. You want know what I was thinking? I knew we were thinking you said it. I know you. Do you want to know what I was? Yeah, yeah, I was actually thinking that you were going to say there's no way that he actually liked that gift he's just oh he's all an act. It's just an I let me try. I've been thinking about it ever since I try 09:48 You think Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent? 09:56 that's what he's thinking about middle of this episode. I try to have a that the whole thing is going around in his head is aren't they frame that guy like I definitely didn't do it. There's no way he that. He's not that good. I know for a fact I have it a good confidence that they're lying about that. I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah, it's all I think about 10:19 so yeah he's like he's like i can read everyone's subtle messages in those asmr videos you watch it's all just conspiracies yeah they're 10:35 we're talking about the rats on the moon. What rats on the moon dibs on the band name? Okay deal, so he's like he's like I can read everyone's mind now right right right. He's like that's crazy and so he holds you this point. He's a child. He's like he's in grade school. He's in grade school, so he's realizing your fourth year special home yeah and your fourth grader goes now. I know you're thinking 11:04 and you're like okay, what are you talking about? You can read people's thoughts. We know when you read people's not see how I said at the same time as you, it's like you actually said it like suddenly just all really arrogant and cocky yeah, kind of and all of sudden he realizes that he definitely because he had this in in elementary school. Yeah, he definitely used this to like pick up girls in high school. He was just like 11:40 I just yes, I just know what what a girl wants. You know what girl wants and isn't that a movie? Isn't there a movie? This is like yeah, is Mel Gibson able to read women's minds? What is Mel Gibson? If what a girl wants? No, isn't I don't know what the movie is. It was a man of binds. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not how about what a girl wants. I'm talking about a movie where Mel Gibson can read women's minds. 12:11 that'll give sin mine reading. Oh interesting. It's called what women want. Ah hey, hey, I was close. That's kind of interesting, huh? Strange. Okay yeah, so same. I guess that's use that. We're just like I know what you're thinking girl. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking 12:38 guy's kind of cute. And she's like, no, I wasn't. He's like, hey, hey. 12:48 Yes, you were yes, you were yeah yeah and she's like get away from me like what are you doing? You say that now yeah twenty years from now I'm going to drive a spoon mobile and you're going to regret this. We just see my through this Candice. I don't know what years it was of the eighty. He was born in forty six in Tel Aviv and so he he gets he gets home and he's 13:16 just kind of like wow. I got these powers. What else can I do yeah and so he's practicing around with just many moves stuff yeah he's like he's like think I can move some stuff with my mind and so he starts doing his telekinesis moving stuff around with his mind and this is the this is forty s fifties he's born in forty six so yeah yeah he was like early at this point stuff up yeah. This is when people made stuff up so he allegedly I will say to this is a good 13:45 a little bit of backstory. His grandma sure, I think grandmother is named Margaret Freud and they claim that he's a distant relative of signal Freud on his mother side, but there's never been like connected. It's like yeah, they got the same last name and so he's like. I think he's using that as like a claim to thing. I don't know. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. If it is 14:15 yeah. So he starts like learning. Oh, I can I can move stuff with my mind and he starts taking keys and just different metal objects and bending them with his brain. He's like sitting there bending them. The parents are losing their mind. Everything is bent in their house because he's sitting there going and he's like look what I can and his his dad even said in an interview later in his life. This was an interesting interview. His dad said I don't know what it was about him. 14:45 but his watches always seem to break and I don't break like I don't know what the claim is there. No, like I think it's that they just stopped working like his watch. This watches would just stop working and then I I think the claim the claim is my kid just wanted to spend more time with me, so he broke all my watches, so wouldn't be able to know what time was. I think that I think the claim there is that he had so much magic energy coming off of them that all the gears in the watch stopped working 15:13 like the gears would would bend and break sure, but that does happen. He allegedly was able at times, not all the time, but at times to take the watch and shake it and fix it. I don't know what that you got a cheap watch. Yeah, have you tried shaking it kid? No, this has got to be because my kid is magic because my kids magic okay, so he starts doing like local shows when he gets to high school, sure doing the spoon bending thing 15:42 and then he would do a thing where people would come up and he would have a blackboard up stage from him and they would draw a picture on the blackboard and he would have like a canvas and he would draw the same picture okay, and this is like late fifties at this point yeah, and so this is blowing people's minds. This is like this is early in like magicians doing magician stuff right. It's not I'm pretty sure it was like who do you for literally 16:09 thousands of yeah, yeah, but they but everyone believed it back that like this was the first era like Houdini was the first era where it was like I'm magic, but it's like I'm not actually worshiping the devil. Okay, and what year was Houdini? I don't know ten years before this. We did an episode on them, but I don't I'm not gonna. I'm not going to remember okay. He died like thirty years before this, so yeah, it's still new. It's still fresh, okay, but he's doing not 16:37 he's doing his magic. People are coming in there and they're like oh wow, we've never seen this before. 16:45 They're going. I say this is brand new to us people in the fifties who are who have never seen stuff before they all that trans and as the trans Atlantic yeah, the transit that we can't do yeah yeah. No one talks like that anymore. They should yeah we should. I think they we should try. I think they did it for a very specific reason. They got rid of it or they did the act. No, I think they did it for a specific reason, which was radio waves. 17:15 I think the radio waves like interrupted their voice since they had to talk weird so that way their voice when I get distorted by the radio. I don't think right Alex. No, I think yeah, it's a thing just had transit. Did he say yes? No, I didn't think so, but you just confident way right yeah. Is that the yeah? 17:35 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 18:02 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're to have to start doing mobile game ads. 18:19 so he started doing this. He started doing like theater shows and like little things, but in spinning spins is new thing. No one's ever heard of before called match exactly called shows called theaters. No one had thought of it before. No one had thought about it like man. No, I've never seen this many people in one room yeah, and so he was doing the show yeah and he started to garner a little bit of attention around Israel and he 18:44 got some television like local television appearances sure I ended up having a show called the Geller effect that kind of made him a celebrity in the country where he would do the bending spoons in there was my that's got the whatever effect the car the carbonara effect yeah. Actually, I wondered if that is an homage to that yeah. Carb carbonara effect carbonara, which is interesting because that's what my favorite dish at Olive Garden is called 19:13 this yeah, that's really hard. I wonder if that was a I'll tell you the effect that's got 19:22 I mean he does kind of do the mentalist thing too, so I guess that makes sense that he was anyways, so he started getting recognized on tv started getting flown out to Europe to do appearances on European TV shows and this eventually gets to the states and in the seventy's Johnny Carson finds out about him and then seventy three he has him come on to the tonight show, but Johnny Carson. I don't know if you knew this because I didn't 19:51 Johnny Carson was like a hobby magician. Yeah, he does the little thing that was his whole bit. What little thing the with the envelope and the hat that was like one of his bits where I don't know what you're talking about where he would like. It was like you know you could tell I think that yes Johnny Carson was a hobby magician, but he also liked the showmanship of magic yeah yeah yeah which had been around for centuries. 20:16 and but one of the bits that they would do on the show is that whole like the punch line would be written in the in the envelope and he would say this the set up and then he would just read whatever was in the envelope. It wasn't a magic trick. was but it was the showmanship of a magic trick, a mad trip interesting interesting. So I figured what they called that but johnny carson was what's the right word, irked by geller because geller repeatedly we'd be asked like oh that's a trick and he like no i'm a psychic. 20:46 Like, I have special powers. Like, he would not. Oh, and Johnny Carson was like, come on. Yeah, he would not be like, I'm a performer. He would be like, I have powers. And Carson's like, no, don't. And so Carson, so they had him come out and his Ernie Geller's team came out and they set up the set. So they had a bunch of spoons that they set out. There was another bit that he did where they had a bunch of like metal canisters that weren't see-through or anything like that. And they were all empty except for one of them was full of some sort of powder. 21:16 without touching them or feeling them or anything like that. He'd be like, yeah, it's that one. And so Carson came out and he saw that and he's like, he's like, yeah, right. And so he's like, he's like, take it all away and replace it with our stuff. And so he had his production team replace everything with their spoons and their canisters and one of them was full and so they just, he's like, I'm going to humiliate this guy on live TV pretty much. And he was like, he's like, yeah, replace it all. And so he comes out for his segment. Johnny Carson's doing a show. 21:45 does his whole thing and then it's like, okay, Ernie Geller, this magician from Tel Aviv is here. You might have heard of him. He's starting to make waves internationally. He's here to show us what he can do. And we've got this stuff. And so he comes out and he immediately sees the table with all of his stuff and he is like perturbed. And so he sits down and he can immediately tell, oh, something's wrong. the first, I think maybe the most obvious thing was 22:14 he would always have all of these goods on like a metal tray yeah and one of the bits and one of what some magicians since have said the way he did the what's in the jar thing as he would reach out and he would spin that that tray and he can kind of tell from what by the weightedness of it where which one was full and so when there wasn't a tray he immediately knew oh someone mess with my stuff and he started looking around at his spoons he's like these are not my spoons and so he realized 22:43 I'm not going to be able to do any of my tricks because it's not my stuff. So he's on the show and he's sitting there and he's like, oh, something's wrong. Yeah. And so what ends up happening is 20 minutes of like the worst television in history because he's just sitting there kind of mumbling to himself, like very clearly upset and then like occasionally going like this over things and like looking at him and Johnny Carson is just being like, what's wrong? Can't can't do it like just 23:13 very clearly being like all a bully yeah, kind of and Johnny Carson, this is a really mean thing to do to your guess that you've flown from Israel. Yeah, yeah, and he's just sitting there smoking a cigarette, which honestly I'm going to be honest. Here's the deal smoking in public pretty cool, pretty cool smoking in general. 23:38 smoking in general very cool. It's unhealthy and yeah dare program, whatever, but honestly dare program forget you guys, your program for nerds, their programs for nerds. have. I do think that cigarettes are cool. Cigar is hard. It's hard. That was the whole thing was that it was. It was it was on tv and it was so normal. You know, I saw this is going to sound really crazy for a second. There's there's things in life where it's like it's hard 24:07 not to look cool while doing sure there's things in life where it's hard to look cool while doing and stick with me for a second smoking. It's hard to look not cool smoking like smoking looks inherently just yeah, but you got to think about why though and it's because the characters that they made smoke in film and tv yeah through they were always cool before before like the late eighties, nineties anti smoking stuff yeah, but even even after all of that right when I was high school we knew 24:37 that like he was cool. That's what we knew we knew so no one to tell us we were like that's a cool guy. We knew smoking was bad, but when I walked out of the venue between sets at shows and all those kids were out front smoking, I was like gosh you guys are so cool yeah, but here's even the kids that didn't weren't cool kids, but seeing people who have smoked for fifty years yeah and you see what they look like look cool when they light up though they still look cool. 25:05 not hard not to look cool, just not in the you have not with the se. You have not walked out the back of a comedy club with the in freaking Minneapolis in the winter and seen people who are so addicted to smoking that they'll stand outside of the freezing cold just like they're freezing for a reason and the reason is Nick. Maybe, maybe I don't know. It's pretty cool so but 25:33 the other things were. It's hard to other thing cool while I was driving. I was driving home the other day, drive past or yeah, driving home the other morning. Yeah, just so you know, I know that there's families who listen. We're not. I don't think you should start smoking, but you shouldn't stop if you know we're not trying to smoke, but I do think if you do, it's pretty cool. 25:59 Alex is trying to figure out how we PR this. I don't I don't think you we're not trying to be. I'm not endorsing smoking. I'm just saying it's not not cool. 26:14 Okay, what's hard to look cool? Why you do it and so I was driving. I was driving all the other morning, pass a school bus stop hard to look cool playing badminton. I passed the school bus stop and there's one kid standing out at the bus stop, probably fifth, sixth grade, just itching his butt like hardcore itching his butt and I'm like man, we're seeing somebody cool. It's their butt. No, I'm just like it's hard. It's hard not to look cool, itching your butt. 26:42 and here's the thing. I think you said it's to look at you. Oh dude, I think about all the cool kids itch in their but you're seeing somebody has reached out and grab a handful and each their but that's so cool. Now you have context for Tim's definitions. 27:04 here's the thing. Here's the text was that just to get another mission. What is that you kind of like? You pull that up in front of your eyes, dude, like like like somebody who's taking their neck health super serious. I got to come up here. Yeah, I got to take care of my health. I got to do this, so my neck doesn't hurt, but 27:26 after this, I'm going to go smoke up. I'll tell you what it's really hard to look cool while checking your apple watch for notifications. That's just so hard to look cool. Why you go? Let me tell you, let me tell you where my goblin brain was at the other day, so I saw that I saw this kid. just and you thought I'm going to turn and hit my car. saw this kid. It just but and my brain didn't just go 27:53 I saw this kid itches butt. So I saw this kid just butt, right? I'm driving home. So I saw this kid, itches butt. That's crazy. And my common brain said, because I was coming home. a cigarette right I was like, the simple, kid was smoking a cigarette. 28:16 that's conflicting. What do you do if you see someone who's a resounding is there, but what did you think? I don't know Goblin brain. I was I went home from the gym and I was I was at the gym. I was listening to like I hope my kids never that lane. No, I was listening to like I don't know what it was like some like in podcast about like I don't know some hustle grind thing probably Anthony. I don't know, but my brain I was like I was like a success winning blah and so I passed this kid and he's itching his butt like 28:44 And that's exactly what I think immediately. I'm just like, oh man, it's hard to look cool while you're itching your butt. And I'm like, and my brain says, yeah, you can put on a leather jacket, you get the sunglasses, the designer jeans, the cool shoes, but you hit your butt, you're not cool. And my brain goes, and it's just like your business. If you got a bad business, you're trying to sell a product that isn't cool. You can dress it up all you want. You can do the marketing campaign. You could try to make it look really good, but it doesn't matter what you do. If you're 29:12 if your product is itching your butt, it doesn't look cool. So anyways, Johnny Garstin sitting there smoking and it's like 20 minutes of this guy getting really upset about the fact that he can't do these tricks and he's like mumbling on his breath and there's been some like lip readers who've been like, oh, he's saying like, why would you do this to me? Like, why would you bring me on here to like embarrass me like this? Like he's like very mad. Would you do? And so then he says, 29:37 So then he says, he's like, I just, don't have positive energy today. Like my energy is really negative. I can't, I'm not sensing this the way like sometimes that happens. Like I just don't have the right energy. And Carson's like, uh huh. Okay. Yeah, sounds good. And so like just pretty much publicly shames him for being a fraud. And that show ends, he never does any of his tricks. They just watched him for 20 minutes essentially. And so he goes back to his room that night, his hotel. 30:06 just outraged, very upset, thinking his career is going to be over because of this. But something happened. He looked at the window. He saw a disc in the sky. A An alien in that disc going, hey, it's okay. 30:30 A lot of people don't know that the reason that aliens are like that is because they photoshopped the cigarette. 30:48 I used to be cigarettes in there. That's what I saw like that. I am a million and I don't this. I smoked a done a bunch of people saw this yeah and for some reason what you would expect is people would see this and they would say oh yeah. This guy's a fraud he's been exposed, but what people saw instead was oh this guy must be legit. 31:18 if it doesn't work all the time. 31:24 and so this blew him up like this is what stuff that makes me feel the is the reinforcements that people will go through in their brains to go see that actually validates it. That actually makes a lot of sense because it since it didn't work like it's it not where for me that's like when the cancer chiefs lost a server was like he's not scripted see not scripted. See how could it be scripted? They want to have them lose if it was scripted. There's too good of a story, so then he goes on a circuit. 31:53 and he does like every morning talk show, every late night talk show in the States and the UK, like he's all over the place and it kind of culminates in a moment to here where you might remember this part of the story where he gets a call from a guy by the name of Harold putt Hoff putt Puth, Puth Hoff. Why am I saying that wrong? That doesn't sound right. Harold putt off, Puth, Puth Hoff, Harold Puth Hoff. That's right. I think and Russell Targ 32:23 which you might remember those names, maybe. you? No. They are researchers at the SRI, which was the Stanford Research Institute. They were tasked by the CIA to try to figure out if mind control was possible. MKUltra. This wasn't MKUltra, but this was another like... Oh, speaking of that, Montauk. Yeah. 32:52 Right? Yeah. Is referenced in Severance. Oh, really? You're gonna freaking love this show when you finally watch it. Yeah. Hashtag ad, but you're gonna love this show when you freaking watch it. Okay. I think this is all I think it all plays in. Interesting. mean, that would make a lot of sense actually, knowing this, the subject matter. No, this was the remote viewing. Oh, he was actually have never relisted that episode because I was just like, this feels like a dark. 33:21 I mean like, you told that story about how you remote viewed once, have you? 33:27 shut up. Have you ever repented at that and ask for forgiveness for doing that so from God? So he goes and I just smoked instead. Okay, so he goes yeah. He gets called by the Stanford Research Institute, yeah and they said hey, we are looking for a psychic to study to see if there's any legitimate thing there yeah sure, and so they had him do a 33:55 pretty common trick he would do on tv shows and stuff was the drawing thing where people would draw a picture right. They put it in an envelope. He would he would draw it another common point like that's crazy that you're just like oh yeah you're looking for a psychic like I know know I'm making this up yeah. 34:15 Yeah, yeah. And so they call him and they do the drawing thing. I'm on your way into psych, like being a psychic. Well, here's the thing. Yeah, you would think that when the CIA is investigating you for your psychic ability, you would probably say, guys, look, circle of confidence here, right? I made a fraud. Don't tell anyone though, please. 34:43 Can we just act like this is really legit? I mean, maybe it's all made up. Maybe honestly, maybe he did like maybe he did say hey, it's it's fake, but just writing it is baby. That's what we do. Maybe that's our thing. Well, honestly, I'm not going to lie. I kind of think I kind of could see a possible world because so many magicians at this point already had come forward to be like. I know exactly how he's doing all this. It's a trick. He's not a psychic like they could explain it all. 35:13 and he would just like double down every time that he's an actual psychic. Yeah, and what he would say is he said he said magicians they can they can imitate through tricks, but it's not the real thing like they're imitating. He's like he's like I'm the real deal. Yeah, he's like we're doing this. He's like yeah, the results the same, but the method is different as what he would say and people be like oh yeah, he must be yeah, that sounds right. He's the jet yeah, yeah, that sounds right and so these guys and how how that's right. 35:41 Harold goes by Hal, that's why that sounded so weird to me. Hal Puthoff, he's like a pretty famous guy in like the UFO sphere today because he did this remote viewing thing and he's always been into the extraterrestrial paranormal world. And so he kind of has that brain worm too. And so he might have... 36:07 been more susceptible to believing this stuff. Okay, when he did his research, but I also can see a possible world where when the SRI got hired by the CIA to investigate this stuff and try to figure out if remote viewing was legitimate, Russia was. I mean this is the middle of the Cold War and Russia, the Soviet Union was saying yeah, we we have psychics and they can do stuff yeah and so it's not a far fetched to me. 36:36 to think that the CIA was like, just put together some reports that say we can do it too. And that seems like that might be what was going on here. Like they took him in when Russia was our adversary. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Yeah, like a long time for like, you know, most of it. Yeah. 37:01 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. have a mailing list in that mailing list. give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes, we've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of tilling topics. So if you want to keep learning stuff even beyond the content of the episodes, that's a great place to do it. Also, we give updates on things that's happening in the tilling verse. 37:28 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, but I'm sticking with it. If you want to know what's happening in the Till and Verse, that's the best place to do it. You can go to tilland.com. There's a link in the description or you can text tilland to 66866. There's a lot of ways to sign up for the mailing list to make sure you keep up to date with everything that we've talked about and everything that's going on in the Till and Verse. But anyways, now back to this episode. 37:53 so they they come forward and they say yeah. We have no reason to that he's faking this yeah and he wears that like a badge of honor yeah. I a confer yeah approved and I can see him paying for that too actually because he was already rich at this point. Here's his house by the way he's he made it doing this grift. 38:11 And I'm going to be honest with you, there was a point in my life where I would see that floor and I'd be like, oh yeah, he's part of the Illuminati. That's why, because that's Illuminati floor. So there's a guy, there's a guy on, honestly, he does the best on Facebook, guess, on YouTube, TikTok, all that stuff. Have you seen him? He used to be an illusionist. He used to like the big corporate events stuff. His name is Justin Flom. Okay. And I don't know if I should give away his secrets, I guess, but he, 38:38 does all this stuff, he loves stencil art, he does stencil art on his walls, or he'll show this secret room in his house, or this trap door that he built into the floor, like all this stuff. Do you know what talking about? Have you seen his videos? No. Like different stuff, it's like literally he pulls a lever and the floor opens and it goes to this ball pit that's downstairs, right? Or like a little hidden bookshelf door that goes into this secret room that has a slide and all this stuff in this house, right? Yeah. The guy owns a house across the street. 39:06 that he and his family live in. That's their house and then he got his this house that he goes over and makes YouTube videos in tears out a whole wall and then does his little YouTube video tears it down. Three puts the wall up interesting and his he just puts like different stuff in this house. They don't actually live in. He doesn't live in, but that's where he's making his content out of interest. That's crazy kind of like being the big blue house yeah or no. 39:30 out of the out of the box. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does have a bear in that house. No, what I'm saying is he made enough money from doing I mean, mean he's CIA approved like, you know, illusion stuff for like Walmart and cost illusions. He was do yeah, he was an illusionist and he was doing it for Walmart. Yeah, he's in the big corporate gigs. Oh, the corporate I was like, I was like what 39:51 what for? Why was he doing magic? He was out front of Walmart was just like Ding Ding Ding Salvation Army and he's like and he said what's that behind your ear your donation? So no, he like made enough money for doing the corporate stuff yeah you know now and now he makes the money's money from doing the social content, but it's just like he built he bought a whole house just for that's crazy stuff. Man, we do the one that was telling me about the 40:17 kids YouTube thing where it's like you can't have the... this new law passed in California where if, have you seen this Alex? This law that passed in California, there's a lot of family vloggers who are moving from California to like Tennessee or Idaho because there was a law that passed that said if your content features children over a certain percentage, then you have to put a certain percentage of your proceeds in a trust fund for them. 40:41 and so some of these parents in California are just like I'm not going to pay my kid and they literally move their whole family rather than honor the life and sanctity of their child and the relationship that they have together because they would rather capitalize on their existence in this hellscape that we live in them into a character. So hey yeah well, kids should get paid right yeah. That's why we had to wait till you grew up to do this podcast. 41:11 that's why we had to wait until Tim grew up to go to video. If you guys want to see the audio, I was a little kid, just a little kid, little kid. That's why in the video is when he finally looked old enough that we were like all right, you at least pass for look like an adult. So anyways, so he started he kept doing yeah he kept doing his magic thing. Sure did a full career of this and he got 41:38 all sorts of hate and claims that he's a fraud. People would try to expose him all the time. I think about getting hate. I think about this all the time too. If you're successful enough, who cares? Yeah, you know, yeah, like the number of people who comment on bird, Christ or stuff, he's got a new special coming on Netflix. Yeah, actually, I think it drops. This is March eighteenth. No, yeah, this one will be okay. So this is March twenty fifth twenty fifth, but so it came out last week. 42:04 but you know Netflix drops the trailer and all the comment ever. I couldn't find one single supporting comment that was like yes can't wait for person special, but it really yeah, but there's so many people, but he's yeah that I'm going to watch it. I think he's a phenomenal stand up yeah yeah yeah he's, but it's one of those things where it's just like who cares yeah yeah like the you saw his house yeah yeah you know where it's just making it oh no he lives that he lives that life like 42:32 I mean he obviously you seen his house, but he lives like he has all the celebrity friends and he in two thousand one he renewed his wedding vows and his best man for his renewals Michael Jackson, which is hilarious to me. When did he renew his wedding vows in two thousand one? I don't know. 42:54 I just say there's he's already said there's certain dates that have a lot of meaning to him. I just want to know when in thousand one he renewed his wedding vows. I do not know I know yeah, and so he kind of lived that life some fun trivia Pokemon made a Pokemon dedicated to him as Kadabra really all of them Abra Kadabra and Alakazam they're all and dedication to him because they got the spoon and it looks like I'm 43:23 Yeah, I can see it. I mean, it looks at this picture looks more like that. So yeah, so I mean, he from this point on, he was like just a career magician. Yeah, had a lot of scandal around him because he'd never backed down from trying to claim that real legit. And so now you can find him a lot on the Gaia network, which do know what that is? The Gaia network? Yeah. Have you not seen anything from the Gaia network? No, gosh. 43:52 Our algorithms are so different. Gaia is one of those things where whenever I see a Gaia video come up, I'm immediately like this is garbage. Don't watch this. Don't pay attention to this and I comment on it. I'm like this is God. That's why it keeps popping up on your stuff is because you keep commenting on it. I just want people to know that is what is Gaia Gaia is like a I mean I think it started as a YouTube channel, but now they have their own website and all their videos on their own website and stuff and they're like 44:23 very fringe conspiracy theories. It's like all alien and astral projection and stuff like that and he's on there all the time talking about this his psych psych is a lot of and and yeah he's still alive. He's like seventy eight he's like eighties seventy eight. Nope. It literally says right here age seventy eight was born in forty six. Let's see if the math is right on that seventy nine depending on when his birthday is. Oh yeah, it's December so yeah he's seventy eight now okay, whatever do 44:55 No, what was the what was the magician? I think he went by the masked magician yeah that did the like exposing yeah you're on time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I it's ironic you brought him up because I watched a video like the bio of Uri Geller and they said that Uri Geller, the only magician hated more than him by Magistrate, which who is the mass position? I don't know if we know. I think we know 45:22 Google it. 45:25 Howie Mandel. 45:31 No, we know who it is over right. Yeah, we do. guess yeah he unmasked yeah Val Valentino yeah, which is crazy and so because he was just he did a whole video series. Was that the early two thousand that he was a TV show he did a full TV show of how magicians do their tricks yeah, which was honestly great idea. Oh, it was a phenomenal show. Yeah, it's called breaking the magicians code yeah and he just revealed how every trick was done. 46:00 which was pretty. I mean honestly, it had me in a stranglehold. I'll tell you what as a kid like does kind of suck what to reveal it all yeah. I mean I'm going to be honest like in retrospect this guy. I mean he the timing was perfect. Oh yeah. I'll be for him. Sure he capitalized on money, but I'm saying like he really did like it does take away the fun of the magic. 46:28 know what I'm saying is the time is perfect because like just the way like like in the height of like slip, not he comes out with this mask, oh yeah, he's telling you all the secrets in the middle of when we're like oh yeah, the government's hiding everything from you and he's like yeah, they are also he was like oh, I see a rise in conspiracy theories. Now is the perfect time to expose the secrets of long held magic traditions. 46:53 now is the time to give the people what they want exactly yeah. You're keeping your track in all right here. Well, anyway, what the magic community would like to say to Val Valentino is that are an evergreen pot 47:17 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of Things I Learned Last Night. If you liked that and you want more of it, guess what? Behind this hand right here is another episode. That is our remote viewing episode. You can go check that out. That's like this thing where people thought that they could kind of astral project. They could see things around the world even from their own home. Just kind of going to this transcendent place within themselves. And they could see the nukes in Russia. And they could go to Antarctica. And they could see different things and maybe even different times. 47:43 It's a really wacky thing. I don't believe in any of that. Tim loves that stuff though. Or if you want to watch next week's episode right now, it's available to our Patreon supporters. can join us there. Tilland.com slash join. You get access to our Discord. You get monthly hangouts with us and you get that episode's ad free with early access. So it's just a way to support the show and help keep us going and we really enjoy that you're here. So we'll see you next week on Things I Learned Last Night.

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00:00 Hey this week we're talking about Harold von Braun Hunt, who is an advertiser in the fifties and sixties who sold sea monkeys. You might have heard of these. They were just basically tiny little shrimp that they that they sold through magazine articles and then kids were like what you mean they can't dance. What do mean they can't play baseball because it was easy to take advantage of children back then? That's how want to say that. That's how I want to intro the episode. Okay, it's Marge teeth. What do you got going on? 00:27 It's what's which day is it March eighteen yeah this weekend? I'll be in Ashland, Kentucky on March twenty second I would love to see you there, and if you're like where's Ashland, Kentucky that's I asked as well, so Google it you'll find it. It's out there and then my this June we're running the church comedy tour back those dates will be available soon check all my dates out on my website jaren Myers comm slash shows 19:04 So this obviously isn't much. mean, even if you look at like some of their more extravagant versions of this, like where they've got, he's got a pirate ship and all this stuff. it's just kind of glorified fish, not even fish. Like they're just tiny little itsy bitsy creatures. But what he did really well was advertising. And so he came up with this brand of Sea Monkeys and sold them as if they were 19:34 You could do tricks and you could teach them stuff and he sold like different sets for it. So he sold a set where it was like the dancing set. And so it was like it was supposed to resemble a stage and you're supposed to be able to teach them how to dance. Right. And then there was the baseball diamond and it looked like a baseball field and they're supposed to be able to play baseball because it's all just like gimmicky things like that. Obviously they're little shrimps. They can't do anything. And but he he was like I'm selling to kids. They don't know that. 20:02 he referenced when he was a kid and he was at the fair and he saw the the the flee thing. Remember these to do that like the yeah. I remember trapeze fleas the trap. Yeah, please we remember that you remember that from our childhood. Yeah, you don't remember trap fleas 20:23 I said yeah keep going. What are you wanting from me right now? Okay, I don't know. Do you understand the Alex? You see I'm crazy like do I feel I feel insane today where Tim's just like he's telling different sets and stuff and you remember trap trappies fleas trappies please remember trappies you remember that 20:52 you're that yeah, but I know what you're talking about. Okay, all right. Where is this episode going bro? So his whole thing was he's essentially selling fish food is what it is. It's a Brian shepherd. It's fish food yeah and he said okay. If I if I give them tell them put tap water in one of these little jars, you pour that you dump the solution in that's supposed to make the water clean and then you dump the eggs in. Here's the deal. It was a lie. 21:20 What you were doing is you were dumping the eggs in first and then the next day you were just putting salt in because he was like, well, it's going to take like 24 hours from where I'll start hatching. so he was like, you're going to purify the water, but it was you're putting the eggs in and letting them sit overnight so they can hatch and then you're going to put some salt in. And so he sold these for a dollar 25. And he called a bunch of comic book manufacturers, 21:50 printers, sure, publishers, thank you, and he started putting those, putting these ads in comic books. Yeah, and this was something that no one was doing. No one was putting ads in comic books because it was kind of like, I don't want to say like taboo, but everyone's like, why would you advertise to children? What's the point of that? And so he's like, he's like, oh, I'm selling to kids. I should advertise to kids. And so it was a buck twenty five. And what you would do is you would cut out this little thing, put it in an envelope, 22:19 with your buck 25. because people back then didn't understand the power of like how you could get a kid to annoy their parent into buying your product. Yeah, no one knew how easy it was to get kids to get their parents to do stuff. Yeah. They hadn't figured that out yet. As a former kids pastor, it's easy. That was the number one thing we did was teach kids to annoy their parents. Yeah. We actually would. Here's some inside baseball. 22:49 we would for like big events where we wanted like increase attendance to have people at. We would plan special things for the kids to get the kids really excited about it because we knew if the kids convinced their parents, the parents would get like drug along and so we would like like tricking the parents through their kids. It's the same thing these guys are doing. You tricking the parents. You were just telling the kids like guys were gonna have 23:15 pizza next week and then the kids are like we got to go because we're going to have pizza next week instead of presenting them the gospel of Jesus Christ yeah, because the kids don't care about the gospel. They want pizza. The kids don't care about the gospel that's going on a t shirt. The kids don't care about the gospel. The kids will never care about the gospel until it tastes like pizza. So he started advertising in these books, 23:45 And it was a he at the height of his operation. Yeah, he was printing ads and three point two million comic books a year. And so it became a thing where everybody knew about the sea monkeys. Not everybody got them, but at least everyone knew about him because it was inescapable. was in every comic book you would ever get. And so through that, throughout like into the eighties, was just sea monkeys are everywhere. And so he became a millionaire. How many 24:13 asmr creators. Do you follow? don't follow a single one that you got numerous ads for this I'm okay. First of all, I don't follow when you're saying this. I was like yeah, but I wonder how many people have seen ads about this. I'm asked and then go. I've never seen ads because I don't watch asmr speaking of ads. We'll come back to this, but speaking you're trying to get away from the fact to away, watch asmr videos. First of all, I don't watch. listen to obviously 24:42 and I because it helps me focus, so I listen to him while I work and here's the here's the thing I am ashamed of it, so I always believe my history every time I watch him because I don't want it to be in my algorithm. I don't pay for you to premium. I don't pay for you to premium. That's crazy that you're watching ASMR videos and listening to ads. It's just get the new Domino's five nine nine breadsticks suck a lot. That does it does suck a lot. Here's the deal. A lot of them 25:13 The kids don't care about the a lot of them won't run mid rolls. They only run pre rolls because of that very reason, but some of them do run mid rolls and when they do, oh my gosh, it's the worst because so loud. Yeah, it's you like a freaking sure, but yeah, it's it honestly, it really helps with focus. You watch on the tilling account because sometimes I've seen those pop up. 25:34 No, I've never yeah you actually are still logged into the and you watch a little as that would be me because I delete the history because I don't want to messing up my algorithm and I'm ashamed. If they're just so weird, I don't know why they have to be so weird like why can't you just make the sounds and shut up like 26:03 anyways about average, I just make the sounds and shut up. 26:11 Uh, so... 26:15 So Tim, just to be clear yeah, your covenant eyes report each week is just just yeah. Is there a specific creator? Do you know what do you search when you're looking at our videos? What do you search? I literally just search ASMR and then I just scroll through until there's one that's like oh that's probably fine and then I want you to know and I think this is important and I think less of you now. 26:43 I think it's important for you to know that I do think less of you right now. Hey, that's fine. Honestly, I'm proud of who I am embarrassed. I am and I'm telling you, you should be it. It's just it helps me focus. It helps me focus there and makes the top of my head feel nice who watches this podcast and then removes it from their watch. They go, I can't have this in my algorithm know that I watch this. It's less about people knowing it's more about. I don't want to 27:12 I'm cluttering my algorithm yeah, because it's a yeah. I don't want those recommendations. I just want while I'm working for it to be in the background yeah, but it's. I think if you watch it, even if you're moving from your watch history, it still affects your not doesn't. If it's not in your watch history, it doesn't affect your algorithm. I only is true because if that was true, then I would be getting recommendations for it. Okay, because I like at least once a day I have it on the background while I'm working. It's just in the is in the background. Wow, 27:40 it's like music is the same thing as music. Don't be so weird about this. I was smoking crack. Okay, would you have such a problem about it with it? No, I'd actually prefer that there's there's treatment system and communities for support. They haven't made ASMR illegal yet, so I can't. I can't throw the book at you right now. Okay, whatever. When I was in New York, 28:09 speaking about advertisements sure when I was in New York. 39:42 So that that's a crazy thing to advertise those like you can see your bones. We're looking at me you pig. I'm looking at your bones. 39:57 that's that is nuts. That is nuts. How do you sell that though? It obviously doesn't work. Oh yeah, that's the thing is none of the things he sold really did anything. They were all just gimmicks. It was all just gimmicks that obviously didn't work. He also had like hip glasses looking at your bone. All right, all right, stop saying that keep doing it, sir. Who cares? I don't get what you're doing. Just don't talk to me more and then and then in a weird and a weird like 40:26 shift from character. He's like I'm going to make I'm going to make something for adults and so he makes this, which is called the Cuyoga, which is a baton and at the tip of the baton there's a taser and so you hit people and it'll like them essentially yeah, but it's a baton so it's like telescopic and so you can this is since been outlawed. He also he also he got arrested in Ligurian says you don't need a gun. 40:55 What year is this? I don't know judging by this ad. I would say like early seventies. I'd say early sixties. It could be could be and it's marketed towards. don't know if you can read this from here, but it's marketed towards people who can't get a gun like if you legally can't acquire a gun. He said, why don't you get this electric tan? So for some reason you're not allowed to buy firearms anymore. I'll sell you get without a license yeah. 41:23 Yeah, but that's just a gun now and so yeah he got he got arrested in LaGuardia for trying or do you a guardia for trying to take it on a flight, LaGuardia, LaGuardia, LaGuardia. Yeah, why do they make that so hard to say? So you got arrested for trying to take that on the flight in the nineties and so they arrested him. They I don't know what they processed him and they ended up releasing him because they're like well, we don't know technically speaking like our 41:52 technically banned yeah. They were like this. We don't have a category for this. It's technically not illegal, but like we don't want you to bring this so you can't, but there's not a law, so we can't like charge you with anything. That's how I feel about it's not illegal for you to watch as tomorrow. I don't want you to, but I can't legally yet. Yeah, I would kick you off a flight if you did it, but like I can throw you in jail for it, so that's exactly what happened to him. He got kicked off his fight and then in the nineties in ninety two 42:22 This is my favorite part of the story and I do to I feel like we're going to take an alien turn right here. Aren't we? Oh, I wish no in ninety two. He was approached by I don't know some TV producer and they produced the show the amazing live sea monkeys and the concept of the show was a mad scientist had a grow ray 42:49 and accidentally grew sea monkeys to life size and they like escaped from their little pen because obviously they were too big. And then it was the life of these sea monkeys as human size sea monkeys. My favorite part about this is see if you can guess who the professor is at the top of this picture. These are the sea monkeys. So obviously I think you can guess which ones are the monkeys. This is 1992. I think you can guess who the sea monkeys are. They're the ones that look like crazy things. 43:17 but then the guy in the middle, the per you know him like you don't know him personally, yeah, but you know who he is right. Hold on 43:30 Eddie Murphy. 43:36 Is it Alec Baldwin? No, no wait. You're going to say it. I'm going to go yeah, honestly looking at this picture. I cannot see it like it doesn't like him. It's how he Mandel 43:51 and so he played this professor. can't see that or I can't see that one bit, but he plays this professor who turned these sea monkeys into life size. Okay, this show ran for eleven episodes and got cancelled. Apparently it wasn't very good and it's really obviously it's also apparently really hard to find any evidence that had ever existed like there's images. That's how he's doing 44:15 yeah. He got that got that e t money and he was a we get rid of that to get rid of that yeah, but it's like not online. It's like lost. It's considered lost media, so if you can find it and you can see it, I want to see it send a VHS well, it's because people had the VHS and they poured water on it because I thought that was like student monkeys out it. They were like I were dumb yeah and so it's probably no surprise to you judging by the x-ray specs that he ended up marrying an adult film star and then 44:42 after he passed away, he left his home to her and so she had to drive home every day to this gate. Okay, where is this? I don't know where they ended up settling at this stage of their life. I do know that they lived in Manhattan for a very long time. This clearly is not man. Yeah, so I wife would love this gate by the way. If we had that, yeah, she'd like oh my gosh, it this place so much character. 45:11 you know, where is this like not a normal anyway, but she she ended up selling like the a license to another toy company to continue selling sea monkeys after his death. Sure and smart business woman and wasn't clear on the terms of the agreement, bad business woman and long story short, ended up coming back to bite her and towards the end of the two thousands. She ended up in a situation where the house that they lived in was as 45:39 big massive house. She couldn't afford to pay for the heat in the home, and so she had like wad herself into like two of the bedrooms because I guess they were the warmest rooms or something and she like lived in her for court. She wore these fur coats around the house and like basically lived in like kind of poverty like she saw the giant house, but she couldn't heat it and she can really afford her life anymore. Yeah, and I don't know exactly what that means. 46:06 I don't know if that means like she couldn't afford to eat or she just couldn't afford the lifestyle she used to have. It's not totally clear, but she didn't have a great end of her life because of that sure that licensing deal. So one last small thing we probably need to 46:27 this episode really was going nowhere then, huh? No, I just about the sea monkeys. Okay, all right, Harold, here all winners. Where's the other episode? I said that there's another episode. I've said that before where I go. This was kind of weird. Huh Tim just sat over here and was like I got a gift and I like ASMR. It was about the sea monkeys. Oh okay, 46:54 I thought we were building up to like something and you were like, ah, his wife died alone. 47:02 this seem like it's interesting yeah yeah. Okay, so anyways the New York Times wrote about him. Hold on or no, the Washington Post wrote about him quote. He was born as Harold Nathan Bronhut, a Jew. That's the that's what they wrote because he in the fifties added Vaughn to his name because he was ashamed of his heritage. 47:30 and so he was shared. Yeah, so he wanted to try to be. wanted to sound more German and he took his problematic. He took his earnings from all of the sea monkey fame. He took those millions and he poured them into white supremacy groups. Oh and the whole episodes about the guy who invented the sea monkeys was kind of a grifter. 48:00 yeah at the very end, you're just like by the way, a piece of crap, the surprise he actually he was a surprise. He actually not see the whole surprise. The guy who made this actually suck yeah yeah, so yeah he was and it. I think it just goes to show yeah, that the rich they always end up sucking 48:28 Yeah, it's the alt right. It's the alt the alt right pipeline. guess I was going to try to come up with some sea monkey name for it, but no no yeah. He did end up somehow becoming a white supremacist and funding a monkey thing, which is very strange and his parents. His parents were like yeah. We he got disowned by his family for that obviously because in the fifties he was like actually I sigh with the guys who did this to us and they're like yeah okay, they're like yeah, that's weird. 48:58 actually yeah and then the rest of his life he's like my parents won't talk to me you idiot yeah. They shouldn't they shouldn't yeah to you. Oh our son yeah he takes advantage of children. He sells them hopes and dreams and he just capitalizes on that yeah and then he married his wife and electric baton actually, which is kind of cool. It doesn't say the date on here. It just says her name 49:27 so yeah, I don't know when they got when they got married, but yeah, so you know, I mean some some rough ideas, lot of griffs, a lot of griffs in his day, but that's Martin Van Bure hut. That's not Martin Harold, Harold Van Bure. 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00:00 in twenty thirteen, someone tried to poison President Barack Obama. This story is about a doctor who's selling body parts, a karate sensei who's running for local government and an Elvis impersonator who's going to crack the code. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast. You're going to learn about the story, but you're going to laugh a lot along the way. It's going to be a lot of fun and this episode why did you weird laugh dude? It's like a fag and yeah, this feels like a morning news show. It is a morning. That's right Tim. 00:29 this episode comes out. I don't have a lot of shows coming up, but oh, I also did realize in previous episodes that I said that I was going to be in Egan Illinois. That's because I've been watching Severance Egan's from Severance. It was South Elgin Illinois is where I was going to be and I just feel kind of dumb about it and I feel like I got to say it out loud. You know I got to come clean and be like hey, I'm sorry, but you can find all the shows by this point. There's some dates that are coming up in June that I don't know if they're announced by this point or not, so 00:57 if they are there on my website, which is we sell dead people yeah, and you can, and if right now you're like man, I want next week's episode. You can also go to we sell dead people dot com and join us on our membership platform where you can get next week's episode right now. So 01:19 I think we nailed this intro. I think we nailed it. Let's get to the episode. 01:26 Okay, man, they man, have you ever heard of a Paul Kevin Curtis, Paul Kevin Curtis, yeah, three different guys, one body. 01:43 Is this one of those people with three heads like Paul Kevin Curtis, be Paul Kevin? No, I do know this story and I'm very excited about this Paul Kevin Curtis. What I feel like there's like nine stories we have to tell here. Yeah, so let's start with the easy one. Paul Kevin Curtis lives in a town called Tupelo, Tupelo, Tupelo, Tupelo, Tupelo. I watched a video about this story. 02:12 Oh, I thought you were like I watched a whole video on how to pronounce to put no. I watched a video about this story and I'm not exaggerating and I know I'm going to say this and most of our like regular listeners are going to be like I know, but the guy this video pronounced literally 02:29 every single name wrong. Every person's name, every place, yeah, I'm not exaggerating every single one he put ice. How do you say any of these names wrong to the point where I was like this is a bit he's doing this on purpose. He is he's what he said stuff wrong. He called it to P. Low. He called it to P. Low. There's a I don't want to reveal all the characters. I mean I guess I could tell I don't worry about every character. He said the name wrong every place. He said the name wrong. 02:56 even some of the things that are in this like some of the items that take place in this story. He said wrongs yeah, I'm like I'm like how how are you with its intentional at that point? There's probably thirty things he said wrong episode and look. I know I say things wrong. I get it. I understand. I understand. I say things wrong, but I don't say every single. I really we got a lot to get to okay. You done with me talking about yeah, I'm sorry to you 03:24 acknowledging that you say stuff like I don't want you to be mad at other people for that. You're not mad at other people for that. I'm just saying it was we 03:33 just say that you went to New York really weird. Yeah, but New Yorker now that's why I talk so we New Yorker now I spent three days there. I know all about life in New York. If you go to New York and you do the bit where like a walk in here, someone like literally just jumps out of the gutters and they hate that. I didn't see that happen to three tourists. So I was there yeah. They come out. They literally come out of the sewers. I didn't see a single I didn't see a die the whole time I was there except for 04:02 when the cops are beating the crap. Yeah, and it was like one of those one of those Tom and Jerry Cartoon, where they're like really yeah, that I think hard to with the really wide ones. Oh yeah, really weird cartoon bats and they're like yeah yeah yeah it's like why are you nice thing so big? That seems hard to carry and transfer that you put that would you get 04:26 you know every time it hits it as one of the comic books, pow like how does this happen? Everything really is bigger in New York, Big Apple, baby, Big Apple, you're a big city guy though. I feel like I feel like you try to pretend that you're like a that you're not. I don't feel you are and I'm not. I like and it's very odd because I've never lived like in a city center like I've lived in 04:51 I've lived in cities, but I've been a guy yeah, but yeah, I just like my heart longs for the nice speaking of cities. Let's talk about Tupelo. Okay, yeah, so not big cities to below. If you don't know as a famous city because Elvis Presley was born there and they ham that up. They are very proud. They are. I wonder how long I've said this before. I think I said this in the podcast. Yeah, how 05:18 like will there be like Harry Styles impersonators when we're old yeah? I'm curious to see what that person is because like that phase is like. I feel like the Elvis impersonator genre is enduring because of the whole Vegas thing and it being like a cultural yeah element now. Does that make sense? Like it's an like it's it is it's kind of like it's it's an American thing. 05:40 it's like bald eagles and bacon like an el. Okay, but that's what I'm saying. It's like in Branson, there's a Beatles tribute band yeah who's going to that, but people who were alive when the Beatles were the Beatles, right? How when do you decide to shut that show down when people stop showing up? Yeah, but Elvis impersonators. Is it still going? I mean, I think we're getting to the end. That's what I want to close to the end. Yeah, I think yeah. I mean, I think it's 06:10 it's interesting with that though, because you think back to that time okay, and at that time there was just less of like like there wasn't as many giant stars like that, the because it was so institutionalized. Maybe you had just the people who were the industry decided was the big star. What's the demand for an impersonator like our people? 06:37 Because I know there's Michael Jackson impersonators No, I think it's... There's got to be some kind of psychology and stuff behind, Well, it's very odd. there are impersonators, 07:06 these elderly women, like 10 years retired elderly women going to these concerts for the Elvis impersonators, not the real Elvis, but the Elvis impersonators. And they are like throwing themselves at this impersonator. They love the impersonator. Yeah, like it's actually Elvis. Yeah. And it's like, oh, you know that's a fake, right? And also- But that's what I'm saying, they know that though. I know you're like 84. That's what I'm saying. They like the impersonator. 07:36 as like they don't they're not confused. They're not like that's Elvis. You know I'm saying like that's that's what I'm saying. Some like I would never strange to me yeah. That's what I'm saying is like it's they're not yeah there's not a disconnect right. They recognize that's not the real guy, but that's what here's the thing. What I realized watching it is I want to do something so significant that sixty years after I'm gone, there are impersonal early people are as excited about a person who's pretending to me me 08:04 as they would have been. If it was actually me like what a stranglehold you have to have on a society for you to die and people to pretend to be you and people to be just as excited about the fakes as they were about you. That's that's a stranglehold that's power baby, power baby. Okay, that's insane to me. 08:29 and it's what I'm saying. So like but the whole town like there's murals or statues of Elvis, there's like two below Mississippi is an Elvis shrine essentially yeah and there's dozens and dozens and dozens of impersonators who do the shows and people show up to the shows at the VA or whatever that's what they don't do shows freaking anywhere. They're doing them in the middle school auditorium and there's enough there. It's like I can make money. Yeah, they're making doing living doing it yeah 08:57 which is wild. It's why I'm saying I am saying how much longer will and this is a long tangent on Elvis impersonators, but how much longer will an Elvis impersonator because I think this is now a thing getting married at a chapel in Vegas by an Elvis impersonator is its own thing. Yeah, I think there's plenty of people who do that that's almost completely separate from Elvis Presley a hundred percent yes, and that's I'm saying 09:23 is that so many of the things that you and I associate with Elvis are not even things that he did. They're just hammed up acts that impersonators did yes yeah that eventually I feel like you know the all right, all right for Matthew, I hey is so far separated from who he what he actually does now we're just we're impersonating the impersonations is what I'm saying exactly yeah. 09:49 but how much longer do you think you'll be able to get married in Vegas by an Elvis impersonator? I don't think that'll ever go away. That's where I wonder. I think that has become like, but that's the thing a culture yeah and I think most of the people who do that have they couldn't name an Elvis song. Yeah, yeah, I think most of the people who see Elvis and take pictures with him on the strip. They couldn't name a song, but they like feel compelled to do it because it's so have you seen the video of this of this trip with the Michael Jackson impersonator watching a Michael Jackson impersonator? Have you seen that 10:17 no and the Michael Jackson person who looks just like him. Honestly, he's got I don't know if he got plastic surgery or if he just you know if he just looks like that yeah, he just looks like that is watching the impersonator and looking proud as if he's the real minor. You know saying like it's a video you have to watch it because he's looking at he's like 10:37 like he's like he's like wow. This is flattering to me another fake. That's what I'm saying. It's so what like there's there's two levels of broken people in this scenario. There's the people who go and watch impersonator and then there's a level of broken that you have to be to be to be that person. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, but I can I can understand being the impersonator a little more because because honestly at the end of the day, I should say this 11:05 I shouldn't make the generalization. I see I'd say probably half of them are like. Oh, I love Elvis and I'm doing this out of passion, but half of them. It's obviously a grip like yeah yeah yeah and so like I think half of them are like I can get old ladies to love me just for the old women. What's up Grandma's? Oh dude, I kill a jello night. I'll tell you what 11:30 Dude, these old women love jello shots, dude. They friggin'- They LOVE jello shots, man. It's crazy. It gets- 11:38 crazy down at the Haywood, the Haywood Senior Center, you know, talking about yeah and we go down there on Tuesday nights and I do bingo as Elvis, but instead of BINGO, it's ELV, I S E twenty two, you know, Sam yeah and so and someone was Elvis and then I kiss him on the mouth. Show starts at three PM. That's incredible yeah. I got your home by seven yeah 12:08 It's a great gig. It's over now. Yeah, it's a good gig. I mean yeah, I just I find it hard to believe that that'll ever happen again because I just don't think that there's any stars that have like because there's a fake Taylor Swift that well yeah, I think we're spending a lot of time on this, but yeah, I think the nineteenth century was an interesting time because nineteenth century media hundreds. Sorry, the twentieth century. Sorry, the twentieth century was an interesting time because the media was so centralized. Yeah, 12:37 that I think the stars were much bigger stars and fair now it's more de centralized yeah like you have like a rogan there's a you and I aren't fans of Joe Rogan yeah yeah yeah where I think and obviously I wasn't alive, but I would I would say during Elvis's era like he was inescapable yeah and that's what you really want to be. I want to be in a that's power baby. 13:07 that's crazy. You're dead for sixty years and people so to below Mississippi. People love Elvis down there. Yeah, they love them. They love them a lot. Speaking of Elvis impersonators, yeah, there was a guy by the name of Paul Kevin Curtis. He goes by Casey for Kevin Curtis, yeah, because Casey is better than PC. I think I had a guess. I think that's why he does it, but yeah, so he was an Elvis impersonator, yeah grew up being an Elvis impersonator. 13:37 kind of interesting story. He has a brother. This is a toll sidebar, but he has a brother who was the all star kid like he was like the captain, the football team, like he really talented. Everybody looked up to him like and he was he Paul Kevin Curtis grew up in his shadow. I totally grew up in his shadow, but then he became an Elvis impersonator one day. One day he was getting ready for school, brushing his hair and he's like anywhere he went and then he was like 14:08 I said, uh-huh. 14:15 oho and so he started at like in middle school doing the thing and he started getting a ton of attention for it for the first time in his life. No he didn't that his older brother, no, no, no, no, Casey Casey started when he started doing it yeah, yeah, and then his brother saw that and his brother was like I can do that too. I could do that too, which socks man, so me came in all this in person yeah and his brother in him 14:41 so that be like if you become a counselor right now right, I could do that to actually I can actually I it's so easy. I don't know what is of that yeah. I could do that yeah. I just like anyway. 14:58 is you realize that you're good empathy. You go run to the other room. I get a dad, your dad, so tell me about your dad. Tell me about your dad. 15:15 I got that Freud in me. Ha ha ha ha ha. 15:23 I like my mom. 15:27 Hahaha 15:35 I got that right. It's crazy. 15:44 I got that fruit in me! 15:50 I got that Pavlov dog in me, dude. Ha! 15:57 it sucks. Wow, I don't know what time is it. We should wrap it up. Okay, come back for a okay. I guess so yeah. So his older brother, his older brother is like oh me too. I can do that like Casey is winning competitions when he's in high school, which so he's like good at it. That's what I'm saying. It's so it's only cool if you're in Tupelo, Mississippi. You know say like if you're if you're competing as Elvis is a high schooler, you're getting bullied for sure, but in Tupelo 16:26 and Tupelo, your star, you're like getting less bullied. Yeah, yeah, you're getting, you're getting bullied by all your peers, but you're getting praised by all right, right, right, all your peers, grandparents, by all your peers, moms, and that was really the own dude. That was like that was like dude. A bully would be like, oh, you're an Elvis impersonator. That's so lame. Yeah, yeah, your mom didn't think so. Your mom loves it you do weird. Okay, creeping on my mom, 16:54 So yeah, so his brother starts doing it. His brother says getting attention for two and then they decided to team up and do something Elvis never did, which was have a second. What's better than one hell to Elvai? Let's do it baby and this blew people's minds. They were oh my gosh, whoa, there's two Elvis to El. I don't remember this ever happening because it didn't and so they started like actually like touring, which was crazy. I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know if they toward you know like they toward they toward tour. What do they tour? 17:22 they traveled the country. They went to places like Branson. They went to places like Vegas and they would do these shows and competitions. I think they win. Okay, they did national tours and competitions all over the place together and so they were like this duo. They are like a power do. I mean I say that I go yeah. I can't believe people toward the people will tour with anything yeah, you know yeah and the question is like what is they 17:45 I mean yeah, we know that we know they said tour they're touring blippy on ice right now. You know, like anything can be a tour. I'm saying like freaking yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I don't know how many people were coming to these shows yeah, but they win around the country doing their shows. Yeah, we did it. We had a tour. We were on really good. It was a great tour. A lot of people came out. A lot of people showed up for that. Yeah, people paid for it. Okay, maybe that parts alive, but like people win 18:14 people came. Some people showed up. Some people didn't know they were showing up for it. Some people thought they were just getting coffee that night, but I go. Oh, there's a weird comedy show out there. That overweight fella singing songs about we should go bell. Yeah, I was trying to have a nice romantic date night and this guy's ruining it. I'm on a first date right now. I do think about how we were and I think about this tour a lot. We were in 18:44 college of angel in two thousand and fourteen. I don't know our young listeners will never understand this anymore. We didn't all consume the happenings of the world at all times everywhere we went yeah. That's kind of crazy. It's never really not that long ago. Do you were you in like two thousand fourteen? Were you up on the happenings? That's what I'm saying to trick. We didn't know we didn't care. We we care, but not like we got stopped on the street interview. Do you remember that in Chicago 19:13 Oh gosh, we did on the street interview. This is questions and we literally were just like I had no idea yeah and like I worry sometimes that we're in like a freaking Kimmel compilation looking so stupid being like. I don't know. I don't know what he's talking about. I don't remember what they asked. I don't know what they asked. I remember it being about the issues of that time, but it would be like if someone stopped on the street now and asked you where you were like Israel, Palestine and you're like oh yeah. I mean I lot of complex issues that I said I for some reason know so much about yeah 19:41 We didn't freaking live like that in 2014 yeah interesting. We were doing freaking the Harlem Shake, dude. Why does he say it like that? 19:55 no, no, that's making a comeback. I here yeah. I like that one anyway. That's what we're going to tour sixty years from now is the harlem shake tribute pay holy to an hour of the is we know we go up and we do the harlem shake and then we go and then at the end of it's a surprise. It's like a little encore yeah. It's like it ends and we're all like that was super fun and then someone goes. What does the fox say you know and we do all the hits yeah 20:23 Oopa Gundam style and like and we sit here and we're like wow music. This day sucks. It's like free in a bad. Come on, but to be fair, we all knew that sucked. Yeah, well, and we were like the thrift shop song or whatever, like I'm imagine tags. We were all well aware of how much we were. That was the joke. We were. We were in on it. Yeah, that we like yeah. We thought it was funny. We were in on her joking around about a kidding. 20:50 we that was just a anyway. I'm saying we got stopped on that tour, so they were touring doing double trouble. Yes, yes, doing their doing their duo Elvis thing. Yeah, but anyways, all this is kind of backstory of just how damaged this kid is. Well, I mean yeah, they're they're not making a living doing it. That was what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so he starts a business. He well, he gets married, he grows up, gets married, starts a business because his wife is like you got to get a real job. 21:19 Yeah, you got to and sees a case like I do have a real job. I'm tell your wife says about the podcast where your wife is like a wrap this up to do something real. They transporters, you know, she's just not enough. 21:31 Yeah, support us on page. You're listening to my wife. Stop. I come out when this episode come out. I don't know. I got to look at the data on the pulled up arch eleven March, eleven good guess. Let's see. It is going to be who very close March, fourth, okay, Tim's babies getting closer yeah, and if you don't support on Patreon, they have to give it away. 22:01 so Tim's wife said that if we don't have two hundred supporters by May, Tim's wife told us that if we don't have two hundred supporters by the end of this month, serious this is serious to get rid of that kid and just like it's going to become the neighbors kid. It's the hospitals, baby and and no they're going to give her the neighbors and then she's going to have to watch it grow up next door. 22:23 every day and show us be sitting there in the morning and try that could have been ours, but like, but if you know the till and fans didn't care enough, you know, they care enough so I'll tell you what those neighbors. They are a loving caring family who are going to do a better job. It sucks man. It sucks to watch this kid grow up. He's going to be able to compete in whatever Elvis comment. Yeah he wants to he's going to be such a good Elvis. 22:49 without us. Can you imagine the other seed be with us? So support us so that Tim's kid can grow up in Tim's home yeah and be a mediocre and I don't. I feel comfortable making these jokes again. Breed never listens to this Tim's parents do. They don't like that joke. They're like we didn't like that bit at all and you know what? Maybe you should support us on 23:15 Terry maybe you should maybe you should sign up then 23:22 okay, so you see how it doesn't like when I talk to his mom. Talking to my Terry, don't listen to him. Okay, so we're supported if we had the pillow pet money. 23:43 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 23:55 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 24:28 so we so he gets he gets a real job and by gets a job. He starts a cleaning business sure and honestly good business. Yeah, that's a quality business to be in every management. Everybody needs everybody needs stuff to be gives a speech to his team. He's he's managing facilities. He's got to get this place clean, okay, and so he starts cleaning up and while he's clean it up, he gets a good offer. 24:53 to be the cleaner upper at the local hospital. Yeah, he's the big cleaner guy at the hospital, which actually is a pretty big contract, a huge deal, big, big hospital, huge deal, honestly, arguably potentially life changing opportunity right, and so he gets it starts cleaning. He's cleaning there for a while and he does something that's like which that's kind of crazy to me that they third party contract that you know 25:17 I guess he just wax some floors and stuff. You know yeah. I mean there's probably like yeah, it's probably there's a different crew that office cleans utensils and beds and stuff. You know, but yeah, I guess the hallways and stuff. That's a big it's a big contract. If they can get a better deal, yeah outsourcing it yeah and yeah. This is a fairly large hospital in the area, so he's cleaning and he does what we probably in the business would call a career limiting move and so one day he is you know cleaning and he says 25:45 I'm going to explore around some areas. I've seen every ask him to clean a certain area. They ask him to clean something. It was like a party. They asked him to clean, but he he did a little like he. I don't think that's what it was. I thought he was supposed to clean this. Okay, go ahead and tell what happened and then I'll give my argument for why I think it was viable that he was in this area. Yeah, so they're at a party. He was asked to clean a specific area of the hospital and while he's cleaning, he stumbles into the morgue and he started digging around the morgue and he finds 26:14 surprise surprise human body parts right and that's where they keep them at a hospital in the morgue and and so he gets really excited about the fact that he found right a human head. He found a human head, a human head arms. Yeah, human head was the big thing. The human head was the exciting yeah to him and he couldn't shut up about it. Well, okay, so here's what I think happened yeah right is he did 26:42 get asked to clean this area of the room and this is a pretty. This is a restricted area, obviously because there's body parts in the fridge. Yes, yes, yes, which is not crazy. You're sitting here listening. You're like, why does the hospital have a head? If someone is needs those eyes that are donated, they're not just in a jar. That's in a cartoon. Yeah, right. Also, if somebody dies, you kind of put it all on the fridge. You got a 27:07 I that's not true to them. They don't chop you up. If you die, well, I mean if you don't fit the fridge, it's not a size is you Tim. They have odd job fridges at the hospital. They open up the cabinet like all man. That's what do that. That's where where's dirty. Yeah, they open it up. They said all the big jars dirty. Here's right. I got to cut him into so here's what happens. He starts 27:37 taking people to that room and showing them the head yeah, because he's he's height of he's like he's like I found a head right. I found a head and then he's like telling everybody in the hospital. He's a hey man. I saw the craziest thing you want to see this head, so he takes them to that area. People see it and they're scarred for life. They throw up and they're like. I wish you didn't show me well. You don't know. Here's what I think happen. I think he was he was rightfully supposed to clean this area of the hospital. Yes, yeah, he saw the body parts right. 28:07 what he wasn't supposed to do is then bring everyone in the hospital into that room. Well, the body parts, I think he was supposed to clean that area. I don't think he was supposed to open the fridge. Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. I think I think he did something he wasn't supposed to do there and then I think he definitely does something. It wasn't supposed to talk about it. No one would have known he wouldn't have gotten in trouble for peeking in the fridge and the well, there's a head in there. Yeah, yeah, you know what yeah, no, but he would get in trouble for being like hey, you guys want to like making a field trip out of it for everyone on the second floor. You know saying 28:37 and that's that's where I think yeah, he was all the way he gets when he gets rightfully terminated yeah he's like oh you're you're terminating me because you're trying to cover this up. That's what the conspiracy brain does is the conspiracy brain is they're firing me because I saw ahead. 28:51 and you're like hey you moron they're firing you because you came to work and every single person you saw the first thing you said wasn't hey happy Tuesday or hey happy birthday. I see you're wearing that birthday sashes your birthday right or hey I'm really sorry for your loss. I can see you're a family who's crying right now and holding a bouquet of flowers for a family member who clearly just passed. It was hey y'all want to see this and I found you want to see human head. You want to see a human head. You want to 29:21 area that you only had access to to clean this without one minute and then now all of a sudden your your people are tossing the head back and forth playing catch in a room and head ball in the more you quit. What even is head ball or even his head ball made up a game that you throw someone's head around. So yeah, you got fired. You guys want to play head ball. Hey, you guys will play some head ball. No 29:47 not really. It's really fun. It's kind of like basketball, but with head you guys like football in it. Yeah, you know that commercial with Patrick Mahal and the state farm guy and it's like it's like oh it's soccer, it's football. What is it? It's kind of a farm guys head is back there all that guy that's dig from state. You have things for see. Okay, honestly, honestly, if you find Jake from state farms head at Hospital Warg, 30:16 you should bring everyone to see that that anyway, so he loses this contract because yeah, long story short, take everyone to see the head yeah long story short, the hospital is not happy about this. He gets cut and and you letter of termination. You alluded to that his he has conspiracy brain, so he goes oh my gosh, they're trying to cover this up. Yeah, they're covering up the head, not oh you did something you weren't supposed to. It's you cut. You're covering up the head and so he begins to create this elaborate story. 30:46 of the hospital is selling human body parts on the black market and not just this hospital, but again I already said the reason they keep the body parts is for donation right or like that's the reason they would have a whole head is for if you were an organ donor right organ donor an organ donor yeah. They're not just keeping the head to be like that's kind of cool. I never see one that looks like this before and so like yeah 31:14 yeah, I don't say it in the more, but he's running around telling not only over the hospital, but everyone in this town that the hospital has body parts. Therefore they must be selling them yeah, which is a crazy thing to you. You're connecting dots yeah yeah right, so now he's creating this big story about how the hospital selling body parts yeah, and they're a part of this large connected black market. What year is this around? This was ninety nine. This is also 31:44 perfect time for the internet. Yes, yeah, the internet's just now starting to pop off and this is again. We've said this on the show before conspiracies used to be limited to your weird uncle who would say some weird crap and then you'd be like that's a shut up uncle Dan. You know, I need to be like you'll see one day or whatever and that would be the end of it yeah yeah, but then uncle Dan found all the other uncle Dan's on the internet and they were like yeah, that's right actually yeah, and so now they're not alone and they're dumb think yeah and they're 32:14 Something. 32:17 No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. It's yeah. All those people, they got forums and they started talking on forums and then they got Facebook groups and they started talking ice base, the whole thing, another podcast. Yeah. And now they decide elections. So now they have their conspiracies about yes, all the stuff yeah about how we're all this like 32:46 these these body parts are being right put or sold in the black market. Yes, so he thinks that it's this big conspiracy. All the all these underground sales of human right parts and he's connecting all these crazy lines and he's telling anybody literally every single person he talks on a huge town. How most of the population of Tupelo population in ninety nine so we can get a better picture of what it was back then because it's not it's a city, but it's not like 33:12 you know, this is a huge city is to blow Mississippi by the way. I don't know if I said Mississippi yet so yeah ninety nine. The population was between thirty four and thirty five thousand people. Yeah, that's not a big. It's a small town. It's the right size where it's like everybody knows your business yeah and so everybody knows this guy's going around and talking about the head yeah and the body parts and they also know he lost. Who was the weird guy in town? Did you have a weird guy? No, I have a suburb of a metropolis. That's right. Yeah, 33:39 we had some weird people in Mount Vernon. We had the lawn mower couple. What I've heard a lawn more. I've told you about the lawn mower couple. There are a couple that drives lawn mowers instead of cars pretty self explanatory dude. They didn't have cars. They had lawn mowers and could you guess what they did for work? Did they mo lot a mo and I was really hoping no they were no. They were doctors. I don't think I ever actually saw them mowing a lawn. Now that I think about it 34:08 I maybe I just associated that anyway yeah. They drove lawnmowers instead of instead of that. We also had Mikey who was a special needs adult who the town basically gave Mikey a job. Yeah, so Mikey had a gate town as in like city hall or the town as in like the people of town said no the city. He had like an official like he had a gator like a like a gator yeah like an alligator nope 34:36 like you know the little little like a gate that you can know like what do I even call this thing like a good suit up golf cart. Yeah, I knew the whole time, but yeah, it was close. He had the yellow light on it and everything and his job was to go clean up trash essentially yeah and then he lived in this little honestly a shack. I don't know why the town didn't buy him a better house. I could give him shoes for real though like the thing that he the little shack that he lived in. I was anyway 35:05 so the town gave him a job and he wasn't a weird guy. He was just a special needs adult who had he was like Hollywood on a yeah yeah yeah, but you know how kids are with that yes the kids are like that guy scary. You know, even though he wasn't at all yeah, slinging slasher, he's the yeah and then we had we had a lot of weird people. Now I'm thinking about yeah I've met. I met a couple of them when I that like one month I lived there through you did meet some of the weirds yeah Vernon 35:34 Yeah, I cannot tell you a single one from my home. Oh, there's the witch lady that I told you about. We rode her bike around and hung newspaper things. I met her. I met her. Yes, you did. I called. I called you. I was like I was like, I was that. Where was it? Casey's at the truck stop. Yeah, there's a weird lady. Well, now I said there's a man. I can't. Why is there this weird manicure? She moved and I was like, no, that's a person, but that's a human. Yeah, you ran into. I forget what we called her. She wrote her bike around. She literally was just standing outside the door like this. Dude, here's a thing 36:02 I am from a small. I'm proud of where I came from. I love Mount Vernon and it's really fun to okay. He's gonna keep going. Are you gonna tell us to keep? I like that I'm from Mount Vernon. I'm not. I'm not ashamed to where I grew up. There's just some stuff that there's there's elements of a small town culture. There's yes and there's so many things about that small town culture that I'm sad that my kids won't experience yeah, but then there's so many other things and I'm pretty glad my kids won't have to experience yeah yeah. 36:32 so anyway, and so what what KC experienced was everyone knew his everyone knows everything yeah everyone you got fired of a wave. People are like and then people will talk to each other. They'll be like hey, because you because here's the thing about conspiracy people. They will trap you in that conversation yeah yeah you will. You can't escape it there's you didn't bring it up yeah you didn't say anything yeah yeah 36:56 you be like where you're working at well. Here's why I got fired. I got fired and I saw ahead because they're selling body parts down to the hospital and you're like and you're like I actually have somewhere. I'm you know. Actually, I was just being nice yeah actually honestly couldn't care less. I was whatever you're saying being nice yeah just say just say yeah. I work at McDonald's and move on yeah. You know like let's not do all this, but yeah everyone knows everything, so people will warn other people essentially being like hey 37:26 careful what you bring up around Casey yeah around Paul, Kevin Curtis. They got a they had a group chat for the whole town like okay. See at the subway right now, everybody paper. They were like hey, don't worry. I talk to Casey oh he's in the morning paper is like hey, they're trying to cover it up. I everybody knows it gets papers in on town. He's telling everybody in the world. 37:48 and they all know he lost his job yeah and it's becoming a big issue because he's like well, I now I can't get any income, but he's like super passionate about it. Long, short short leads to a lot of problem in his marriage. These a lot of problems to all of his relationships and well yeah, because everyone in town knows that you're married to the hospital in a tick yeah yeah and he starts he starts to I don't know what the right word is go off the wall a little bit like he see he seems very obsessed with this and he's very much like that 38:16 that always there's a delphi. I've watched the documentary. The saddest footage in the whole documentary is his wife like he's filming his wife. You know I'm talking about that scene yeah and we'll get to that later, but you can literally like he because he's got a lot of footage of him filming his wife. He becomes the dad who's sitting at the computer all day yeah all day yeah and just consuming conspiracy stuff. Now I thought about this 38:41 is that it used to be your dad would sit in the corner on the computer all day, not our dad, but you know I'm talking about that that dad would sit on his on his computer all day and just scrolling forms on stuff and now they just moved it to their phones and now that dad will just sit on the couch, just trolling conspiracy, scrolling Facebook. Yeah, that's now those forums. Yeah, that's the same, but you footage that he's he took of his wife. You can literally just see her disso disassociate and she's just 39:08 spaced out and he's like. Can you believe all this stuff and she's just you can see the weight of it on her yeah her face? It's really sad he's losing it yeah and because because he gets he gets like it becomes kind of a pipeline for him because that's what the starting moment, but he gets sucked into like all conspiracies. Yes, like it's not just that, but that's like the top one and that's the one he's the most passionate about. It's also ninety nine two years before yeah nine eleven yeah, which then is 39:36 opens up the floodgates of like the conspiracy right world really, so he actually goes and he gets a bill like he puts a bill through to be like yeah. We're no more selling body parts. We can't do that anymore. No more black market also represent yeah. How does how do the person get a bill draft? I think I think anyone does anyone could do it. You just write it up. You get some local reps to sponsor it and then you're like okay. Let's do this. 39:59 did any local rest. I don't think he got any local reps to sponsor. He wrote his draft it up. He wrote his bill sent it and yeah and he was trying to get a sponsored. I think he did have one guy, but it's one of those like to we should or he, but that happened. He named it like US US, no more body parts. No, no, no, he like he like called it house bill two six one or something, but it's not a it wasn't an actual yeah. I wasn't that actually have a broken brain. Yeah, too, is that he just 40:26 you know, because he doesn't understand how bills get passed or how any of that works. Yeah, he just called it house bill two six one. I think I think what happened to is like he went to he went to some party or gathering or maybe he maybe his double trouble thing was playing an event and there was a representative there. That's right. He started talking to that representative and the representative told him how to do it and he was like yeah. I mean that sounds like probably a good thing to stop people from illegally selling human body parts. He was like cool. This guy signs off on it and he was like he's like I got his support and that guy's like I didn't say 40:53 I was talking about the same the guy that they know. Okay, so here's what because he hired they hired him as an Elvis impersonator yeah and then he here's the thing is that when you bully somebody and you're not clear that you're bullying them, you know I'm saying is that he went so I heard you. I heard you got fired from the hospital for some kind of body part thing. That's that representative being a jerk 41:21 that's what that was yeah. He's just like I heard you got fired for it. You know he's because he's just like now you're kind of dumb right. That's essentially what that was and then he was like and then I was you don't think so. You don't think the representative being like hey, I heard you if I because you're you've heard about the body part selling huh or you got some crazy views about them selling body parts out of the hospital and he was like yeah. I do he said be careful with that. Be careful with that and that yeah so that if you know 41:48 and he doesn't read that as hey, you're an idiot. He reads that as I'm on the right, but this guy knows about yeah, I'm not talking about that guy. I'm talking about the other rep that was like oh yeah, this sounds like a good thing. We probably should stop that, but he doesn't know the whole story sure and he's just like yeah, that sounds good. He's like he's like, but the here's how you do it and so he thinks he's signing off on that, but yeah, that guy he was like oh he's in on it. He's he's he's funneling body parts through and he's at the top level of the government. He's making this happen sure. Tell your story then and so 42:16 He he he drafts this bill, he sends it, and so he sends it off to that guy because that's his local representative who's got to sign off on it. And that guy rips it up and is like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And then he starts to believe, OK, this guy's in on it and he is a part of the conspiracy and he doesn't want me to be a part of now. Why is that guy in on it? Are we talking about that guy now? Yeah, yeah. Let me look at let me let me look up his name real quick. So Steve Holland was the representative. He sent this to to to get this bill passed. Yeah. 42:45 and he was not having it and he then KC starts to think, Oh, Steve Hollins in on it. He's part of selling the selling the these body parts and the reason for it, the reason for his connection. Well, is obviously he seems like pretty dismissive of the whole thing because he thinks it's ridiculous because it sure is pretty ridiculous, but there's a little side story hidden him and his mom, Steve Holland and his mom, Steve Holland and his mom. They run a funeral home together. 43:15 Yeah, which is it's weird. It's pretty weird. Me and my mom, we run this funeral together like a bonding thing. Yeah, and so so he's he's like a the representative, but he's also right now he's got this gig as the funeral guy, and so it you can kind of see how you get there. You're like oh this representative shoot down, shoots down my bill to not harvest body parts and sell them on the black market and he's 43:42 you know he owns a few got a lot of dead bodies around him hangs out with the dead. He's a mortician yeah he's not yeah he is like the guy who does it all. Is he the is he the guy or does he just do it sometimes because I kind of got the vibe from the documentary that like he wasn't supposed to be the guy that it did it well he's been around it enough for is like I can cut the guy I got the vibe that he you know that's what they did and now he's representative so he's hired. 44:10 Yeah, he's got a staff now, but he and his mom ran these funeral homes. Interesting. I met someone recently who owns a funeral home. Yeah, are they weird property? No, pretty normal, pretty normal, but it was interesting hearing about it because it was like him and a friend. They went in together to get this funeral. I mean, it was the whole graveyard. Obviously you have the funeral home in the graveyard and he was like yeah, we kind of split responsibilities. He's like, so I handle the funerals. He handles the maintenance and so he's like my friend goes up there 44:38 and he does like all the like lawn care yeah and then your friend got the better end of that deal, dude, and then I just get a call whenever someone dies and then he's like he's like it. So does he do the embalming and all that he doesn't do all that they like outsource all that stuff, but he has to like cordon and a party contractor, an omer yeah. He has to coordinate all that's who the weird person is. You know saying yeah the entrepreneur he's got the hustle grime shoot dude. That's a great bit 45:07 a guy who's just like yeah. I run six businesses, one of my embalm people for funeral homes because they don't want to do that. Yeah, the other have a social media market. So here, so I actually own. I own a crib and baby store and then I own a 45:25 teen apothecary right for for teen clothes, then I own a wedding shop, right, and then I own and I'm a divorce lawyer. I'm a financial advisor, obviously, lawyer, and then I also I sell it works homes and then I own the funeral. So I'm a full life care kind of guy. Yeah, I'm a life coach. If you will, coach, I prefer guide. I prefer the word. I'll take you through the whole thing yeah and I'll bury you. 45:55 crazy dude shark, dude, psychos, do this. Can you imagine going on shark take a trying to pitch him charging business? Dead people are gross. We make a black. That's why there's none of them in this room right now. That's why we keep them away from you know who's never in the decision room. 46:23 dead guy. He's like that's why today I brought a few. You guys see a dead guy look. How gross they are that on platter. You hate that yeah. That sucks doesn't it. What if I told you that that shark has been dead the whole time you didn't even know that's how good I am. Kevin hasn't made a deal in six seeds 46:50 guy involved him six seasons ago for this moment. Heck yeah, dude. Anyway. 47:00 that's crazy. So so reasonable to be a little suspicious sure that this guy might maybe somewhat be involved in selling body parts on the black market. You know somewhat reasonable connection. Sure yes, so I sell dead people sue me pretty good website. So I don't know if you should look that one up. You think it's available 47:28 let's find out I so when when Casey when Paul Kevin Curtis, when Casey says that he's on the dark web yeah. What does that mean? When people say that dang it, it's 47:49 we get done at pops up, it's taken. Oh, it's probably parked right. 47:57 I probably shouldn't go to this, but here we are committed. Yeah, I'd say it's just parked. Someone bought that being like oh yeah, someone's gonna want this. I can flip that to me. That's crazy. Sell that people so Casey starts going around talking about how yeah this guy's connected to this. That's why he shot down my house bill and then something happens one day 48:28 relatively normal day and what did I say this guy's now Steve Holland, Steve on Steve Holland, opens up his meal and it's there's he's got suspicious, suspicious mail that day. Another another is in his house. I think it was at his office. Yeah, I don't know which office but is that his office. He gets suspicious mail, another house or another like a congressman gets some suspicious mail and then most noteworthy 48:57 President Barack Obama gets some suspicious mail. What year is this? This is two thousand and thirteen. Thank you 49:09 I was trying to set the stage that now we're thirteen years ahead of where the story start. So this has been going yeah he's obviously been in this deep into the conspiracy hole and in two thousand and thirteen yeah rock Obama. What was the other representative's name starts with the W or was he the senator? Was he the representative? I think he was a congressman. I think it was the congressman of the state, the state rep Ben Thompson, the congressman and then Steve Holland, the local right 49:38 all got suspicious. That's right, yeah, Steve Hollins mom is a judge. Yes, yes, she's also a judge, which is also suspicious. Yes for body parts, yeah, and they all get a suspicious letter. Yeah, 49:53 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. 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Steve or Steve Hall's mom is the one who kind of sounds the alarm and then they inspect it and they're like, oh, this is interesting. They do the inspection and then they're like, we should inspect those other weird ones. So it goes up the chain because she open it. I believe she opens it and I do think she gets sick. Yeah and so they they investigate. They find it with obviously the president, the congressman, the senator and her the judge. 51:19 they realize they're all connected and these are all laced with rice and their letters race laced with rice and which is a poison yeah, I said is the is the white powder substance that if you open the envelope, you get any contact with it. It's deadly. Yeah, you're done. It's very dangerous. Yeah, it's the reason that everything that's sent through the White House or anything like that is screened. Yeah, 51:41 Yeah, this I was opened by somebody other than the people who would send to and they have to which sucks because there's somebody who's just like ah well, you're alive, I'm dead today, blommer that killed me. So they they find this rice in and in this rice and letter there's there's a letter on it and the letter. Here's what's interesting. He has for years been posting on these forums, all these conspiracies ramblings like you see people do when they 52:12 he's also written a book at this point. Oh, I forgot call as the screen play. Yeah, he's he's writing a screenplay yeah he's written this book yeah yeah about his life and how he's taking down this ring. I'm the I should tell the story because you missed some very crucial things that happened here, right. Look up that doctor in New York who got caught right while I'm telling this part. Okay, so Casey has written a book called missing pieces yeah. 52:39 and he is he's written this self published book about all the conspiracy. These got the things that he's putting together. He's uncovered this big ring. He is actually he's running like fate like what would be called Facebook groups. I they were I for where they were like Facebook, my space like groups and he's doing these big video calls with people and 52:59 having them share their stories about them and their area about body parts getting sold. So he's got people from Connecticut and Arizona and New Mexico and he's in Mississippi and he's got people all over the country, reinforcing this idea that there's this big ring of body parts getting sold right, and so they're actually they're narrowing in on one specific doctor and I believe it was New York. Yeah, he was a specific doctor in New York, after Michael Mastrom Marino 53:26 master marino, yep, and they have for years been like we think this guy is selling body parts right and everyone's like I mean you're crazy all the stuff. Well, what year did this happen in two thousand five that is covered that he was pulling bones, tissue and other organs from deceased in two thousand five master marion, where we went on nailed it, whatever that doctor in new york is actually caught doing the thing that at that point kc is only six years into believing right. So this 53:54 This is almost like we did an episode about Alex Jones, not a couple years ago, and in that episode we talked about how Alex Jones uncovered an actual conspiracy when he was in high school, and this is what I think happened is that that reinforced that part of his brain and for Casey he was like. Oh, this is real. I'm not crazy, and it's one of those things where one element of this massive story you've told yourself is true. 54:18 Therefore, you believe the entire story is true because you've reinforced with this one element, but that's not enough to build that big of a story arm. Yeah, so he's been doing this. Also, every time he tells these stories, it grows grander and grander and grander. It grows from I saw one head in the refrigerator to I saw refrigerators full of heads. I saw, you know, by birth with labels on them, all this stuff. It grows to like where he's changing his memory to instead of Oh, I just saw one head in the hospital. Now it's I saw 54:46 twenty heads in the hospital. He is holding. He's doing like street evangelism. He's having small groups at his house and he's having people share their stories of their conspiracies and it really is like we grew up in Christian environments. It when he was showing the footage when they were showing the footage of their like small group of their house, yeah, that felt so churchy, yep, yep, so this has been ten years of now thirteen years of this 55:15 this is real. This is happening and all these people are covering it up. Yeah, yeah, also in that timeline he gets divorced right and then his wife is working for his brother at his brother's insurance company, which also you have to look up as brother. 55:32 because his brother advertises his insurance salesman stuff as the Elvis impersonator, so it's like he's like he's like he's like hey come on, which is the thing he stole from his little brother right, so his wife starts working for his brother. They are a little too close little weird little little too close. They probably touch faces sometimes and and that really bothers Casey a lot so 55:57 there's so many external things at this point. He's isolated himself from his kids who are now growing up and he's divorced. Yeah, there's a footage that he takes. He's got the camera pointed at his wife where he says. Do you think you're my brother's more handsome than me? Yeah, you know, and you can see her face just so she's somewhere else and she's just no and it's so sad that he's 56:25 Yeah, yeah, he's better looking. He's got more money. He's taken her all these business trips. Yeah, it is nice. He's not insane. He's not a crazy person thing. So what I'm saying is that in ninety nine he sees this thing in the hospital. He gets fired for it. He's conspiracy brain kind of triggers a little bit. He does all this stuff two thousand five. It's reinforced because one element of this massive story turns out to be true. Yeah, so then he 56:53 doubles down on it, triples down on a quadruples down on it so much that he's exiled himself from anybody in his real actual life. Yeah, two thousand thirteen. These suspicious letters show up and they say this and they say to to see a wrong and not expose it is to become a silent partner in this continuance and then it's signed off as as I am Casey and I approve this message and it's lace with rice and yeah 57:21 and so there's also a mention of missing pieces in it in the right. Yeah, I mean I might just be saying just a a letter. Read the one that was sent to Obama. So I what I've while you're looking that up when I am like so I've been reading a lot about cults or you know just conspiracy minded people and how they end up here and a lot of people write this stuff off like it's just harmless. 57:49 it's like oh, I mean yeah, he's got some crazy ideas, whatever like we still it's the same thing of like oh, I would never cut someone out because they believe this weird stuff, but they there is such an I the isolation is part of it. Yes, like you yeah, it's unavoidable. It's not one of those things where it's like oh man, like you have to confront this yeah. If this is happening with your family member, you have to confront it. Otherwise it will. It will always lead to the isolation of that. They will always 58:18 it's like a cancer like it just grows and it gets worse and worse and worse. The more you let it grow yeah. I was. I've been thinking about this recently while we can say this conversation. We can say that the after the available to our patreon supporters, which are now part of to save Tim's family. So the earlier I terry, the first part of this letter to your mom, the first part of this letter says no one wanted to listen to me before 58:41 there are still missing pieces. Yeah, maybe I have your attention now, even if that means someone must die. This must stop to see a wrong and not expose it is to become a silent partner in its continuance. I am Casey and I approve this. You read the least dramatic part of the of the letter dude to even it to expose the truth, even if someone must die and then you were like, I don't know what I don't want to say. Yeah, he says I'm willing to sacrifice somebody. They're still missing pieces. I am Casey and I approve this message yeah yeah and so 59:11 obviously the FBI is not excited about this right and they're like we need to figure out who does this. They do some digging and they find that Casey is on all these forums on Facebook in his Facebook groups constantly signing off from everything saying I'm Casey and I approve this message and then also having like you said the the screenplay book thing called missing pieces and so they think this is enough circumstantial evidence to bring him in and question him and so they bring him in they question him obviously they don't get a lot out of these questions, but they 59:40 book him and they hold them and they begin a trial as if he is the guy who did this because he has this grand story. It's the people who he has beef with that got targeted with this. He's got this big conspiracy. He's very outspoken with it and then obviously a lot he mentions each of these people who are targeted with the rice and like he sent these letters, yes and the letters are postmarked from an area close to where he lives and so there's just a lot of things that say okay, they 01:00:06 point towards. He's probably the book. He says I am Casey and I approve this message. Yes, yes and so they're doing this whole trial. He's he's booked. He's held for a couple weeks. They're investigating him the whole time and the judge of his trial. Oh, who was the judge? The judge of the trial ended up being Steve Howe's mom. Yeah, the the person selling the body parts right. I forgot about that. I you might be right. I don't know 01:00:36 I don't know. Was she not the judge of that trial? It may have been a different trial that he go to. Did he go to trial for something else because she was his judge at one point? 01:00:46 yeah. I don't remember he chose to read was on that self because he's because yeah he's done dumb dumb. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, so yeah, so he's arrested for sending the rice and letters yeah he's arrested for sending the rice and letters and this is all over the news. This was this was the this is huge. I mean I remember the news happy yeah being like oh yeah. Guys, try my got a lot of letter yeah 01:01:11 yeah and that's where it is what the representative said in the documentary too, was had he just sent it to his local representative. It would not have been the massive story that it is yeah yeah you know, but he said it went to the press. Now it's the biggest story in the country yeah yeah and so which that's news for you. Just so you guys know, remember you can poison your locals, but you can't poison the feds. So the f has got him 01:01:40 in their interviews. They're asking them the questions there at the light on them. The whole thing you know how that goes. They search his home. Yeah, they they're doing the whole night because they really j when they came and got him. They kicked down his door. Yeah, they it was a raid like it was an FBI raid and obviously small town big news FBI rolls into town. Everybody's talking about that for years. Yeah, so he gets booked. He's in questioning and in the questioning he doesn't have like a lot of answers for what's going on, but at 01:02:09 at one point in the questioning process, he starts bringing up a name of another character that we haven't met yet and guy by the name of Everett Dutch, never Dutch key a little bit about him, former military guy owns like a local karate studio and is like the the karate teacher. Yeah, the karate teacher, the karate teacher, yeah, I know karate. He's the karate teacher and they had an interesting relationship because at one point they want you to call him sensei 01:02:38 Yeah, he's the karate sensei yeah, and so at one point they had like a little. I said what they want you to call. I'm not that's what they want you to call. Actually, I was sensei. No, you're not. They had they had like a little bit of a budding friendship for a second because it Dutch key heard him talk about the body parts was like yeah. I buy that yeah, and so like he like supported the theory and they kind of like I don't want to say spiral together because I don't know if I would 01:03:07 go that far, but they kind of like you know and each other's flames. Yeah, they did the conspiracy thing together and he was like yeah, I believe that and then he's like he's like I know some other conspiracy theories. He's like oh, you tell me you're and so they were their conspiracy buddies right well well and and dusky had run like a newsletter or something that for years case. He had been sending his stuff to dusky trying to get him to because that dusky had long term goals of becoming a politician. 01:03:35 yes, yes, so dusky's been you know around all these politicians and trying to work his way into was it the Republican Party at that point like he's trying to you know through the two thousands just at all the different events trying to you know work his way into that circle so he could eventually run for office and that was his big thing about trying to start a karate studio was that dusky starts a karate studio in this town to kind of 01:04:01 make roots in this town, so that he can become the representative, which is a crazy thing to do to move to a new town and be like. I can't just run for representative here. I just moved here yeah, so I got to get to know everybody. The best way to do that is to teach them all karate. It's like a missionary, yes, that's what I'm trying to get power here power conspiracy theorists really are operating at a discipleship model that works better than the church models. Yeah, it's crazy, alarming yeah. 01:04:31 because they're insidious ideas and they just yeah, that's on to people. So he he he moves into town. He was you guys want to see a human head. You know it's crazy. Yeah, you can't start with that. It was an Italian. Like you guys want to learn how to kick better. You're pretty bad at it. I'm a sense. I'm going to teach you how to kick. It's like cool. I'd like to know how to kick better. So he has aspirations to do something bigger. So he started his karate and he and he is allegedly in a very, very intelligent guy. He's a member of Mensa. He's got a background 01:05:00 in some sort of like you and I need to take the IQ. We do need to do the IQ test, but he's got some sort of like background in like paramilitary like secret ops sort of stuff. It's like a little foggy, but allegedly he's done some crazy things and by all accounts, very intelligent guy, very intelligent guy. Well, him and him and Casey kind of have this friendship, but then they start to get a falling out falling out and it kind of revolves 01:05:27 around this thing where Casey starts to or yeah Casey starts to annoy Everett Dutch key and then it starts to turn into oh he doesn't just annoy him like he's he drives him nuts specifically because Casey starts saying he's also in Mensa and well he's like no you're not well. Okay, let's broad scope here. This is really quick telling of it. Casey's now ex wife who already has maybe kissed his brother 01:05:56 that has a soft spot for guys who are balding yeah and ever dusky doesn't got a lot of hair yeah and so casey's ex wife has a big old crush on ever a dusky that drives casey crazy yeah. So casey starts this is a weird broken brain thing to do yeah. He starts like starts like no. He starts in person like he starts like all of duskies hobbies. He starts making his hobbies 01:06:24 so dusky does karate. So all of a sudden KC is posting videos of him on Facebook in his living room doing karate, then it's like you don't do karate and he's like yeah. I do. I do karate now and it's him doing. It's the same thing like his older brother did to him where his older brother saw that Casey really enjoyed doing Elvis. So his older brother did Elvis and then did it better. I think Casey thought he could do that to ever dusky where he was like. Oh this guy does karate. I do karate. This guy does 01:06:53 this, this and this. I do this, this and this yeah right, but the thing that drove ever it nuts was when ever because ever it's big thing. He tells everybody that he's a member of Mensa, which is if you don't know it's a high I Q group, you have to qualify to go take a test in person and qualify to be in it yeah, and if you're in Mense, you have to tell everyone about it. That is the rules like it's a it's cross fit for people who aren't. It's the other side across the other I Q range is Mensa on this side cross on this side. 01:07:20 you got cross, you got cross, people dumb. You guys get it right. So you got cross think cross think cross, you know, and then you know anyway, then normally all the cross fitters dumb, but anyway, so 01:07:36 the thing that drives him up the wall is when is when case he's finally like you know what I'm going to win this battle. I'm going to win this war that we're having yeah, so he photoshopped a mince certificate. This is how petty and weird they are is that him posting on this all on face. Just on face, but yeah, is that him posting this mince certificate is what flips dusky to send him messages and emails are like I'm giving you two days notice to delete that because you are not a member of MENSA and I take this 01:08:04 very seriously yeah. They're having it flipped into this feud yeah that they're very public few yeah yeah and the whole town is kind of like yeah. These two guys hate each other for some reason yeah and dusky dusky is like. I don't know what you call it, but like a narcissist like a troop leader for Mensa and so he's I don't even think he's actually in Mensa. Yeah, he claims he's a true. This guy is a this guy's a narcissist, but he sues him for 01:08:33 like faking the fact that he was in Mensa, which is an insane thing to do sure, and so yeah, so they've got a lot of beef and so when Casey starts saying oh it was a guy yeah, it was dusky yeah, and so they start looking into Dutch key and they're like oh, this is this is a guy that this guy's got a problem with yeah and they're like oh he's framing him, but in the FBI they like well we got to chase down this lead and figure out what's going on there. So they start chasing because as they're talking to Casey, the FBI 01:09:03 asks Casey. Well, did you make the rice and case he goes? I don't like Chinese. He's like he's a Gatton. So we're a response. I don't eat rice. Yeah, they were like the FBI starts to one. What is this guy smart enough to do this and that's a level that you've like you know saying you got a hope 01:09:23 that if you get you get a red for a crime that you're dumb enough that the FBI goes, there's no way this person could have pulled guys too dumb to do this. There's so there's already like those are the holes where it's like there's a lot of things here, but now this guy's kind of dumb and there's no evidence in Casey's house that he made rice and yeah and so if he did he's either has another location or he's very, very, very good at what he's doing at keeping it clean. The thing the FBI knows about rice and is that to make 01:09:53 Yeah, so now they're looking through Casey's trash and they're looking through purchase history and they're trying to find. Did he buy it? Because you got to grind all this stuff up and typically they use a coffee grinder like a like a store bought co grinder and so they're looking for this coffee grinder. Yes, and they can't and they can't find it. They can't find it, but at the same time they're tailing dusky. Yeah, they're like well, but the dumb guy. It doesn't seem like he did it. Maybe we should see if I'm guys other dumb guy. 01:10:19 the dumb guy is still feuding with this other dumb guy very publicly during dumb guys trial for sending rice into the present yeah. That's a your reporters are calling him in prison and he's he's like hey, can you post on my face? You post and say you just put duskies an idiot. You say Dutch LOL boo anyway, yeah, so so they're like well, that's let's chase this lead down. So they start 01:10:48 exploring. So they go to Dutch keys house. They check around Dutch keys house. They're like, hey, we're here to look at your house time that they do that. Dusky's talking to reporters. Dutch key is so the FI decides to search Dusky's house. Yeah. Dutch key. Dutch key is like calling reporters and saying I want to talk about this guy and he's show up to public. Yeah, yeah, very, very public because he's such an image control kind of guy. Yes, yes, yes. So they come to his house. They search his house. They don't find anything at his house. Yeah. 01:11:18 they, but then someone during the search is like, Oh, but he's the sensei and they're like what now he teaches the karate. Why didn't you say that? Why did you say? What did you say? Sensei Mensa? He's the Mensa sensei. He's a sensei. So they searched the dumpster at the karate at the karate studio and what do they find? They find the grinder. They find materials that look like they were or that were contaminated. Don't find a grinder. They find the box of the grind. 01:11:45 okay. They find the box of the grinder and they find that the materials that the rest was sorry. I'm trying to tell the story. They find materials that are like contaminated with rice in and then the materials that you use to make rice in and so they book him and they do a full scale investigation. We end up realizing it was ever at dusky and what he was doing is he wrote this letter to frame Casey yeah because he had such a also the whole reason that Casey signs his 01:12:14 posts. We forgot that part Casey signs all of his posts. I am Casey and I approve this message. The whole reason he started doing that was because Dusky's been trying to set himself up as a politician, so Dusky posts videos all the time on Facebook and ends all of his video. I'm ever dusky and I approve this message, so he's making fun of that. So Casey has been doing that to make fun of ever dusky. So now ever dusky to get back at him for posting a mince a photo has made rice and has put it in an envelope. 01:12:44 has said it to the resident rock Obama and then tried to frame Casey yeah for sending rice into the president. He's like this guy annoys me enough that I'm going to kill the president of any feud in my life that is aggressive enough that I'm like you know what I'm going to get you sent to prison for life for trying to assassinate a president yeah yeah. 01:13:07 and I'm not not only am I going to tell you right now I'm going to attempt to do it. If this podcast ever ends, I will frame you. I will make that happen, but it's a level of insane bleep that word. It's a level of insane that is off the charts like absolutely off the charts, so they get them. They've got evidence. They book them. They release a release. They go hey sorry 01:13:33 they were like sorry you were too dumb to do this and he's like thank you so much for saying that yeah and so he leaves and honestly this whole thing like wrecked his life and I mean to be fair, he wrecked his life earlier a long time before this by getting so involved in all this stuff, but obviously this was a big deal as well and he he had a hard time after this book in his office things and like and so there's an impact in his life now he obviously went to prison again. 01:14:02 give up the conspiracy theories. Yeah, he said he went. You know what? I realized that being close to my wife and kids or my ex wife, my kids was most important thing to me and I put out a fair series and I let it all go and I'm just living my life yeah and nine months later he goes. You know what? What if Dutch key was 01:14:26 also framed, so he sends a letter to ever dusky in prison. This is Casey Casey sends a letter to dusky in prison and says hey ever it. I know that you were framed by somebody else and you were framed for trying to frame me. So let's team up and find out who put who did this, so they're interviewing dutch key via phone call the document area. 01:14:49 yeah and they're like hey, what do you think about this? Casey says that you got set up because I did get set up, but it's very clear that Paul Kevin Curtis had nothing to do with and Paul Kevin Curtis is like hey ever a dusky. I know that you were framed trying to frame me and it cuts back to duskies being like I cannot overstate that Paul Kevin Curtis has nothing like even they're feuding and they're conso like so ever dusky is now claiming that he was framed yeah yeah. 01:15:18 but that Casey has nothing to do with it. Yeah, okay, that's how and broken your brain gets when you follow down the four Chan hole. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So this is all to say like we've got an episode about MK ultra. We got an episode about the mod project. 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00:00 Today we're talking about the richest woman that maybe ever existed. Yeah, she propped up the financial industry in 1907 during the panic of 1907 without her multiple banks and financial institutions that still exist today might have failed yeah and she amassed in astonishing amount of wealth that's crazy. Even to this day and a pretty interesting reputation. So today we're learning about heady green. This is things I learned last night. It's an educational comedy podcast. We're going to learn a lot about the life and the story of who this person is. 00:29 but we're also going to joke around a lot and laugh along the way. Today's date is February twenty fifth, yep nailed it nice. So this weekend I'm in the Chicago area that I got a lot of dates in March and April and May and June and none in July, I don't know, but all my tour dates are on jerry meyers dot com slash shows. I would love to see you at a live show. Let's laugh and hang out together, but if I don't see you there, I will see you every Tuesday on this podcast. 00:55 I don't know how to land. I love that. All right, let's get to the episode. 01:02 You know there's a place called Sandwich in London? 01:07 Are we going to do Earl of Sandwich? Is that what we're doing right now? No, I think it's in London. I think it's in the UK or something like that. I don't know. Is this unrelated? I don't know where Sandwich is yeah. It's unknown. Okay, but you man, but do you know okay? So Sandwich, do you know that's why I know it's in Massachusetts? What no Sandwich is a place in the UK. Okay, but do you know why it's called a Sandwich like a? Oh, is it because of the UK of the Sandwich? Huh? 01:37 man shout out to that guy. Well, at least the folklore is that he was a poker player and enjoyed and he wanted to eat his dinner while he was playing a card game, so he had his person put the roast be was between that between two pieces of bread. He was that bad of a degenerate gambler yeah that he couldn't stop to eat that he literally that's why this that's why it's so he was the Earl of Sandwich. A lot of sense actually looking at you looking it up right now. No, I'm not that doesn't make a lot of sense though. 02:07 Yeah. 02:12 all right. That is really interesting. I made it up. Did you really? No, come on. What's your episode about Earl? Hey man, and there's a whole restaurant named after they're literally called the Earl of Sandwich, but after the Earl of Sandwich, the guy who created sandwiches, is that real? Though is that the story that they tell for market that's a hundred and real because I actually googled it separately. I was like no way that's no way there's a real story. They made this up for the brand and then I googled it 02:35 but how do you know for sure that I is not from communist China, dude, China didn't tell me that story. China was like you know for China was like a come over to have the same which was you got really worried in your eyes for a second. You thought I was a great ready to do a Chinese accent. Did you you thousand? I does not like 02:55 all right man. Have you ever heard of head? No start over, leave it all in that's a place to start the episode. Have you ever heard of any green, eddie green, hattie green? Have you ever heard of hattie green? Yes, hold on. It's another way to say this. That's the color we just painted our room. It's henrietta henrietta hattie howland robinson green 03:22 Henrietta, how the Robinson Green, I can't remember why okay, tell me about heady. She was born in eighteen ninety seven in New Bedford, Massachusetts, every person memorized who was born in eighteen ninety seven. I and that's where I was like I've heard this. I heard this David. I'm proud that's what I do like you know in my free time. I just I sit on my couch and I just go through the list yeah in Rieta, Hedy 03:49 it's just a list of obituaries from eighteen ninety seven. Yeah, Eddie Green later in her career. She would earn her earn the title and I don't know if I would call this a title. She would earn the nickname yeah. The public began to call her the nickname, the witch of Wall Street, because she just hung around Wall Street cursing people sell me this broom, sell me this broom 04:18 you can't do your pathetic, but that okay, so she will just start at the beginning of the story eighteen ninety seven. I don't know she was born in eighteen thirty four, eighty, wow, I was way off that did not look like eighteen thirty four. First time I read it, she's born in eighteen thirty four in New Bedford, Massachusetts. She was the daughter of a man named Edward Robinson, who was a whaling tycoon. So this back when you used to just take miles out of the ocean. 04:48 Wailing Tycoon. 04:54 Yikes. Oh, I'm going to get you. 05:06 you build your boat, harpoon, harpoon that way, i'm going to put a boot. It's my white whale harpoon. 05:20 ding dong out of harpoons, but it's like a nineties. Okay, by more by more harpoon credit card so well, so well, so well, so yeah well, oil was a big deal. If you don't know that was like all the oil, all the oil was whale oil because we hadn't figured out how to take it from dinosaurs yet, so we took all our oil from wheels. Is that what vehicles ran on? 05:50 I don't know. I mean this was before cars yeah was eighteen thirties. You don't know that tartar Chinese proper, so the whale, whale, I did the whale oil was where they like lit all their stuff and I don't know whatever else you needed oil for yeah. You don't know it for you. I don't know whatever else you just leave it. I don't know man. Don't make guesses. Yeah, I'll take a guess. Great guess. That's what it's for. Yeah podcast is for misinformation. 06:18 so her family member were Quakers, Quakers and Whalers Quakers as in the religious, not the cereal, which is named after the religious Quakers, the same Quakers. You can't just be like us different Quakers, the same Quakers okay. I don't think that's true speaking of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. There's a there's a there's a Quaker plant 06:47 like where that's where they make quaker people. No, that's where they make the oatmeal, but they make the strawberry oatmeal and in Cedar Rapids. So some days it just smells like sweet strawberries to the town, smells like strawberries and cream. Is that wonderful? I think I said that is actually pretty nice. I grew up next to a dog food factory, so that's not as a true story. I never forget where I came from. I came from next to the dog food factory, think that I think that they their their mascot is a quaker. Yeah, but I don't think that 07:16 that the Sira Company is the Quakers. I don't know their Quakers, but I'm down saying like oh you're trying to differentiate your being like oh we're talking about bees not like the B movie yeah, but those are still bees. It's the movie about bees like that's a B. It's I mean I guess I don't think bees made the movie. I don't think so either do I say we can be I made the only the bees made the movie either, but it's a but they could movies could though. These are smart 07:46 the bees could have made the right. I guess I wanted to make the movie that could have been saying the Quaker that you see on the cereal box is the Quaker being referenced here. Yeah, you could be right at Quaker is her dad. Yeah okay, so that Quaker burst the witch 08:06 wait her dad yeah, because she's the witch keep up yeah, but you said her dad birth to which yep. Okay, all right, Quakers are like seahorse switched. Okay, that's because of all the whales. I don't know to a sub their biology. Keep up there are too many whales. My biology is all my this. I'm trying folks so so 08:34 at two years old. Their parents were like this is too much work, and so they sent her to live with yeah. 08:45 this is too much work. Gosh, you're so annoying. Where you were this enter to they said her to live with her grandfather and her aunt who also live with her grandfather. I don't want to deal with this anymore. You got to get out of here and what sucks is they had six other kids already, so it's not even like yeah. Yeah, it was just like this wasn't our first thing. The one was too much. They're like so they said her to live with her grandfather and her aunt in sandwich. Was it actually ran Maryland like yes, it was actually her. Yes, yes, 09:14 and and sandwich in sandwich, not the origin of the word sandwich. No, it's based off the Earl of Sandwich. 09:25 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 09:52 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 10:08 so Gideon her grandpa, grandpa's name is Gideon. He really liked financial like stock markets and the news and stuff like that, and he didn't like working for himself, and so at a young age he taught heady how to read so that way she could read the paper to him. 10:29 so he could sit on your books didn't exist yet, so you know it on the other side of the room with a scotch and a cigar and be like read me the paper. Wow, it's brutal and so I love it. She read stock market news to him every day and so she started to learn the stock market because every day she's reading it as a child. She's growing up reading her grandfather, all the happenings of Wall Street sure and then Gideon had a lot of influence on her father. 10:59 and so he was constantly like kind of leading him and may helping him make decisions, and so Gideon was like hey. I think that your whaling business. I think you'd be a lot more successful if your thirteen year old daughter was your bookkeeper and so had he took over as the bookkeeper for his whaling company, and so she learned how to run the ledger and now to trade commodities. Here's a thing we used to let like let 11:28 the kids take charge and now we got these kids who are twenty six living at home yeah, could we never let them be in charge of the whale company yeah. You never let them do things yeah. We never let them make decisions for what the teams, what players the team should trade for because oh, I know what they're mad and re whatever dude like freaking here's the thing. Here's the here's my input to a twenty six year old living in your mom's basement. Go join the whaling industry, yeah learn how the learn how much whales are worse grow up. 11:54 pull yourself up on the boot straps and you don't know what a whale's worth. Oh quit helping your mom turn the butter and go join the whales. 12:04 I'm not on a touch. You should be with the way you should be with the who that boy should be with the whales. I don't want the whales and you believe he's a home turn butter when he could be out there with the whales and she would accompany her dad to all the business stuff he would do. She would go to the counting houses into the store right to all the places to learn about how the whaling industry worked and how to sell commodities, and so she was 12:36 She learned about the economy, items, invoices, inventory, the point of it's the economy. Guess what? It boosts the economy. Listen, Jack, listen, Jack, 13:02 we can't make those jokes anymore. He's been gone for like a month. I don't mean from probably cheese won the Super Bowl, though, right, most likely if they didn't then it's right. So if they did, I don't know man. I don't know what to say. They lose the Texans tomorrow. We're recording this. I don't know what before that game yeah. If they lose the Texans tomorrow, I'm not going to put this episode out 13:31 So she graduates high school yeah. She attends like a multiple different porting throughout school. She graduates high school with her high school diploma, impressive and impressive in that day and age yeah and then also fifteen years experience at the whaling industry and so like she and which also also she's a woman in the eighteen seventies and so it's peculiar enough for her to know this much. She can read yeah like it's kind of strange that she's like 14:00 knows this much about money in this day and age like everyone's like. Why are you bringing your daughter to this? Don't you have a son and he's like shut up? My daughter's here forget about it. She knows more about Matt than I do. My daughter's like my daughter knows stuff. I don't yeah. I just kill way as all I know. All I know is all I know is death to Wales. My daughter's here to negotiate the terms of this deal. I'm here to kill some Wales for you. Okay, 14:29 I like a guy who's like a broken assassin. You know what I just like all I know is death and he's just like he shows in the meetings and she's like, so here's the services we offer and they're like why isn't he talking? He doesn't really have a money like to say he's. Why you say something? 14:50 he's like sounding it out. That's all he's saying. He just does a whale calls the whole time. That's so ominous dude, like someone saying that's where ghosts are. Our move ghosts are just go to whale hunters. All right, yeah, they were all whale. They were all whale arms. It was a big industry. 15:17 a few years from now there's just going to be why that you know all the all the iron age guys that were working in in to try years from now goes. There's going to be in the corner being like a masculinity is dying. It's also going to be sad dude. We were man, masculine energy, we need more men. What we need is more men. 15:43 okay, so she turns twenty and her aunt Sylvia Giddens gone by now. Giddens yeah, but her aunt Sylvia is like hey, I think you should move to New York. You should find yourself a spouse. It's time you're twenty years old. Your woman is what your life's about. You need to go find us out there in your years yeah, and so she convinced I at thirty five now on Sylvia rings up or probably writes a letter. Actually, this is the eighteen eighties, writes a letter. 16:13 or now this is the eighteen fifties eighteen fifties, writes a letter off to Hedy's dad and is like hey, your daughter got to get married, send her to New York. Why don't you send her twelve hundred dollars so she can get really nice outfits so she can find he goes since the twelve hundred so he sends twelve hundred dollars to a lot, though a ton of money back then a ton of money and she's like he's like buy yourself some gowns, some great outfits go out on the town like 16:43 do the socialite thing yeah, so you can meet a good wealthy man as the idea, and so she spends twelve two hundred dollars on a couple of nice outfits. Then she invests. She invests the other thousand. That's my kind of gal right there. Somebody who sees through the temporary and says I'm going to play the long term game here. The only thing she was able as a woman to invest in was bonds, so she invests in bonds like we won't let a lady invest in our companies. 17:10 You can't put any more money in the Coca-Cola from a woman. 17:16 What are the one female dollars? Can't give me no female dollars. That's that dollar is worth seventy five cents coming from you. 17:34 yeah and so she goes, she invests and she has a yeah. She doesn't have huge success, but she's got these bonds that are sure and she doesn't find a man and so she kind of runs out of money to live in New York. She goes back home and so she's back in New Bedford. She sort of his bonds. Yeah, she still got the bonds. The bonds are still growing or father exits the whaling business. He moves to New York City, 18:00 and he timed his exit. He's like I'll go find you. He times is exit perfectly. Hey, you got a wife all right, I got one and so her father exits the whaling business and he times it perfectly because petroleum was discovered and it 18:27 basically killed the whaling industry overnight. It killed the whaling industry, the way that the whaling industry killed the way and her dad, her dad, all he knew was killing whales and so she he started sit in his chair all day, been like he's got like the beer bottle and he's doing the over the that's how that started because they missed the sound of the way 18:56 I missed the sound of the whales I killed. 19:01 it sounds like them and so she was she was moving between she's bouncing between Bedford and New Bedford and New York City, and so she was how assisting her father with his new businesses. I don't really know what his new business adventure or venture was Donald, but but she was assisting him and then something interesting happens on Sylvia dies and when she dies on Sylvia had 19:30 children of her own and allegedly she left all of her children out of the will and left everything to I know how that happened to Hedy Green and all of her. I do is find an old person who is a little bit out of it and then get them to write everyone else out of their will. That's I mean that's you know yeah and so and that's a that's the most his like that is the most common scam pulled yeah and so all of her siblings are like you tricked her. 20:00 dollars, then so they took her to court because she left her eight thousand dollars, which is the equivalent to two hundred seventy thousand dollars today. So pretty decent good chunk of change yeah inheritance and so her siblings are like that's ours and she's like it's mine and so she wins and she gets two hundred seventy thousand dollars and she remember knows money and so she starts investing and pretty quickly after that her father also dies and her father's estate is a little bit bigger. 20:29 and so her father leaves her a million dollars in a trust and she's really mad that it's in a trust because she doesn't have control over it, and so she spends years in a legal battle trying to figure out how she million dollars in what year this would have been eighteen sixty five, so a lot of money. I mean let's see eighteen sixty five one million dollars, nineteen point three million today. Okay, it sounds better 20:57 I mean, that's still a lot of money. You could buy Venmo and flip it for that much money by Venmo. You're pretty close seven million more dollars. Pretty close to being able to buy Venmo. Yeah, it was in mo. You know what's on your phone and they go was a phone and you go like well, it's a device that you're holding your hand. You talk to someone else who's across the world and they go you're from space and you're like I'm not from space. I can hear you're from space and you're like cowabunga brother and they're like we're going to kill you and they kill you yeah yeah exactly. So 21:27 she gets in this long legal battle trying to figure out this trust simultaneously taking the other money that she had and investing it in all the stuff. Nobody else would touch and now here's the thing. Her philosophy is quote. I buy when things are low and nobody wants them. I keep them until they go up and people go crazy about them. That is, I believe the secret of all successful business. This is eighteen sixty and so this is when 21:54 now that's kind of like you hear people say stuff like that by low so high like that's the story of the stock market. It's a story of crypto, but in this day and age, people weren't thinking by low so high. They were like by like stuff that looks like it's going to be a good base, like by good business and then it goes up yeah. This wasn't a concept and so she almost gaming it yet. Yes, yes, and so she was investing the interest from her father's trust fund because she couldn't get 22:22 all that million dollars. She genuinely believed she's like if you give me the whole million, I'll make so much money off this yeah and they're like now you can just get the interest out of it. You just get the little this little piece and now it's more like the industry yeah. That's the interest. Yes, you speak it used to be off. It used to be all four figures and I was just one of the figures. Thank you for my high yield savings account high yield more like 22:47 a little little bit of yield like a little bit of little bit of some yields. Thank you so little bit. So it's a really good joke. It's a panic at okay great. Oh my gosh worry about how you're going to provide for your child all the time. It's like all I think about 23:14 okay, so civil. She invested in civil war, but I've been worried for you since you told me about this kid yeah. Me too. I've been worried since before I told you about this kid. I've been worried since before you were worried about me telling you about what you were worried so she is investing this trust fund interest in civil war bonds, okay, which paid high yield and gold. 23:39 high yield does when high yield meant this not this all right. We've established this. If you're listening doesn't make sense, we got our toes out and then put your toes away. 23:59 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tillon topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 24:25 I like 24:51 so her profits. She moved to London. She's running this civil war bond game after one year in London. Her profit was one point two million dollars in that day's money, so twenty million dollars yeah, and so she had a single day that year or she made two hundred thousand dollars in what is this eighteen sixty something yeah bonkers returns that she's she's making and so she's day trading. 25:23 kind of day trading wasn't really possible. I guess in that day, because like there wasn't like that like online like you couldn't yeah, she's probably doing what's the eighteen sixty equivalent of day trading week trading. Yeah, I guess we trading and so she's it's blowing up and then the the she bought green back dollars during the civil war, which were the 25:50 they were these dollars that they printed during the Civil War. There was a paper currency that was just for the emergency of the Civil War to have more cash flowing around because we weren't printing dollars. All the dollars were gold backed during that day and so they they needed more money. They didn't have more money. They're like we're going to make up some money for the war, so that we have some money to use and so they were less valuable than US dollars right and so she bought she's like oh perfect and she bought a ton of these green back dollars and then 26:18 In eighteen seventy five, Congress passed legislation backing the green back dollars with gold, and this was basically an idea to pay back civil war veterans because they had a bunch of these green back dollars and so they could trade for gold. She happened to have tons of the green back dollars, and so this ballooned her wealth okay, and overnight it became a sort of thing where now all of a sudden she was someone in Wall Street who was the number one lender in Wall Street because she had the most cash like liquid cash. 26:48 because she was incredibly cheap. She would not buy anything right. She lived in hotels. She had one outfit and she would wear it until it fell apart and then she would go by that out that same outfit again, which might be why she learned the nickname, which of Wall Street, because it was a witty outfit like a crazy person. It's a witchy outfit. Yeah, it was like this 27:11 big black gown and like she had the hat, a hat, the hat, a broom walking around being like making money. 27:29 and so she she marries a guy. Oh, this guy's name is Edward, Edward, Snowden 27:42 What's his actual name? That's a bit funny. If you said scissor hands, you idiot, Edward Robinson, and so Edward Robinson was another businessman. He was fairly wealthy, not as wealthy as her, but he was a fairly wealthy guy. He made some, but I thought wasn't her dad's last name Robinson. No her dad's last name is green. You messed that up at the beginning then, because you did. I say Robinson, I said Robeson. I think 28:10 I'm yeah. I'm confused here. I don't know. We'll call him Edward. It's fine. Who cares Eddie and Hedy Eddie, so he makes a bad investment and he she leaves him over it. She's like you lost us a lot of money, and so she leaves him over it. He he stays in London. She goes back to New York and she lives in New York full time and they they have children at this point yeah and that her. I believe they named their child after him. I think this is why this is so complicated, because her dad's names that word 28:40 her husband's names Edward and I think she named her son Edward. I think there's three Edward. Did I not say Edward? What did I say her dad's name was her grandpa's name is Gideon? Yeah, wasn't her dad's name Edward. I am so lot. I am getting lost in my own web right now. I have no idea what you're talking about. Her dad's name was Talisman. Our dad was that when your gas lighting me. I hate that I fell for the 29:12 So it was eighteen eighty five. Edward was a partner at a bank called John J. Cisco and son this bank. Heady had five hundred thousand and invested in it, which was a quarter of the bank's assets. Edward her husband, who was the partner, he had seven hundred thousand and debt tied up in the bank, and so when that debt defaulted, they couldn't pay for that and 29:37 heady was enraged because she had twenty six million in stocks, bonds and mortgages that she could have liquidated and saved the company, but the bank million yes, but the bank refused to allow her to transfer it, and so when this happened, the company fell apart and so that's when her and her relationship with Edward fell apart because he didn't disclose her that he had seven hundred thousand dollars in debt and seven hundred thousand dollars in debt is nothing to her 30:03 well, it's nothing to her, but in eighteen sixties is also millions of dollars today yeah, but it's also like that. We could have just handled that debt. Oh, it's true yeah. If he was if he was open with it like she would been like yeah, I could have we saw this over night yeah yes, because she also doesn't spend money right, and so she's famous for that. Actually, I'm a mess of this. She's famous for not spending money consistently. She in so many situations where it would have been so easy. 30:31 for her to solve a problem by spending money. She's just like your stereotypical super cheap rich person. Yeah, her son got gangrene and almost lost his foot because she refused to take him to a good doctor. She was she like she was shopping around the cheapest doctor and so he was getting bad medical care and he got gangrene almost lost his foot. It was a you're how much you charge eight chickens. I'm going to go find a doctor that charges me seven well he's actively losing a lake 31:00 she's like don't worry. I'm going to give you some of my blood and then there was a there's another situation where she was in a negotiation and it was a negotiation where it was like she would have been out a few grand like it wasn't like like she had so much money. This was not worth the the problem and the hassle of this negotiation, but she was so serious about it that she pulled a gun on the guy and the negotiation and she's like this is the rate that we're going with and the guys like okay. 31:26 we're going to go at that rate. Sorry, sorry, I was I questioned you over just a few grand when she has millions, literally millions in the bank, and so she's I mean the which of Wall Street maybe makes sense. She's kind of a psychopath sure she also smelled bad. A lot of people said she spelled. Here's the thing. Here's the thing about her though we need. We do need to also recognize it's the late eighteen hundreds. Yeah, people are very misogynistic. There's a woman on Wall Street who's running the show like 31:55 she is where all the money smells yeah, and so it's like it's like we're not totally sure how many of these stories are true yeah about her. She had warts on her face yeah, and he was ugly. I wouldn't kiss her I yeah. It sounds like even crusher. I hate her and so the panic of nine hundred and seven came along. 32:17 Yeah, and so this is years down. There's nothing new in the market. The panic in 1907 was just people woke up and they were like we're gonna have a kid in May, right and they freaking freaked out. You know saying that does that to people, some people, not everyone, but some people really get really freaked out when their kids do soon yeah, and so she's she she paid for some markets out a lot yeah, just some people, just some people. I love that we brought up that you're going to be a dad, so that way we can just really I can make no yeah you're is 32:46 It's I've been I love the way it's going. This this thing you're doing is awesome, so Jaron in 1904 she's watching the trends. Hey, what about the full house you watch full house? Yeah, what about it? What they call Jesse? Is Jesse Uncle Jesse? What they call Joey Uncle Joy? They're all there, but they were related. Joey was not related. Is Uncle Joey actually Uncle 33:16 there's a Mandela effect about him. Oh, the Mandela effect is that everyone thought that he was actually the uncle and was actually related, but this the screen rent article is like they just call them Uncle Joey. He was just their friend, so they weren't actually related. It's not a Mandela effect that was just in this situation. See, so it's a Mandela effect. You can't be mad at me in a Mandela effect. It's a Mongolia effect 33:44 Oh my gosh, okay, so here we go in nine to four. She's watching the and nine to four. She's watching the trends in the market and she sees something's coming and so she liquidates a foot. She liquidates all her positions into cash and she waits for the panic. The panic comes around and she swoops in and she buys everything when it's low and she saves J Pierpont Morgan of like JP Morgan Chase like that. 34:13 that JP Morgan she saves his butt and if it wasn't for him, he would have gone under during her yeah, I got under yeah. He would have gone under because she had the cash to float him yeah. The amount of money she made during the panic of 1907 is staggering because she had so much cash. She was able to one save a lot of people's butts and load a lot of money and make a ton of money off the interest, but also buy stuff when it was insanely low, but I do now seven 34:43 and so she bought super low during that and over the next. I don't know what this comes out to nine years. It she grew her wealth, so in 1916 she died at the age of eighty one and at the time of her death, then most people think because of her actions and the panning of an I to seven her net worth was somewhere around the ballpark of two hundred million dollars in 1916, so adjusted for inflation. 35:13 it's somewhere in the ballpark of five point four billion dollars was the net worth that she had accumulated as a woman in 1916, which is bonkers and there's a lot of very, very influential businessmen yeah who she funded like she started a lot of empires and it's all because of the money she had. She was also very what's the word philanthropic? She gave to a ton different 35:43 churches and non profits and sure that she set up all these trusts upon her death. She gave her two kids a lot of money and they blew it all that her daughter tried to be an investor. She wasn't good at it. She blew it all investing her son blew it all gambling so I did not last, which is a sandwich. He did come up with the sandwich and so heady green. She has a pretty rough reputation, but I don't think it's real 36:13 Okay, it's that's actually a good point yeah yeah yeah yeah she has so she was like the richest woman of the nineteen early nineteen hundreds probably right might have been the richest woman of the entire twentieth and maybe nineteenth century. I don't know if that's true happy women's month yeah it's this episode is for you ladies yeah. If you succeed, we everyone's just going to call you a way love propping up women. We love cheering you on. You know some of the other podcast they want to tear you down. 36:41 they want to come on here. They want to talk about how men need to step up and take over and all this stuff. We were highlighting women's stories this month, but don't forget she never would have been anything of her dad and her grandpa didn't in a and we're going to point out that we're doing it and we want to make sure you know anyways. We're two white dudes with a podcast to white guys with a podcast. That should be like the little jingle at the end. You know yeah 37:11 yeah, but that's actually that's pretty crazy. That is a good thing to point out like that. Maybe that's our reputation wasn't yeah. There's a lot of stories we have from a life that are like is that true? We don't know for sure it's what's written down, but most likely a lot of it's fine made up to make her look bad. You know, did she smell? I don't know. Did she only wear one outfit? I don't know. Did she shoot that guy? I don't know their dad only speak whale 37:37 I don't know. If you can like caption his but fiddle off on that, that would be great. 37:49 Hey, if you like this episode, you might like Ida Wood. She was another wealthy woman who said, you know what? I'm going to spend none of this. So if you're frugal, you might like her too. That's either would go check that episode out. 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00:00 you've probably seen this guy trying to live forever by the craziest thing he's doing is he's trading blood with his son to make him younger. This week we're talking about Brian Johnson and all the tactics he's doing to use himself as a lab rat to figure out what human health could look like at its peak. I like him. I think he looks weird. This is a comedy podcast, so if you're interested in the topic and you're just finding us because of that, just so you know we're going to learn about the stuff we're going to talk about the stuff we joke around the whole time. So if that makes you angry 00:27 I like and subscribe and comment because we love that stuff it's February eighteenth. Yes, it is my birthday is this weekend, so I'm so excited to be thirty one to be established in my thirties. 00:40 and because thirty feels like all you just turned it. You just got here. Thirty one is like I really it's all down here. I'm not going to die though according to Brian Johnson. Next week in February twenty eighth, March first and March second, I am in the Chicago area. I'm in like Egan, Aurora, Colorado, are there another place that I'm sure you can find a not a rock Colorado, Aurora, sorry yeah, Egan, Aurora, somewhere else in the Chicago area. 01:09 and and I it's on my website somewhere jaron meyers dot com slash shows. Please come to shows. I'd love to see you there. Let the laugh in person. That's the whole reason we do this. I swear. I swear if I if you send me a message and you're like I don't even know you were in my area, that's fully your fault at this point. Okay, I got. I've told you six times. Yep, don't die. 01:32 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Brian Johnson? 01:40 I don't want to talk about that freaky gecko 01:50 I call it a freaky guy. That guy looks like a cave salamander. You know I'm talking about those ones that never see the sun, those caves and he's always wet. Why is he always wet dude? Why is he always just is that the secret to live into a hundred and twenty is just never dry freaky get 02:11 Yeah, that's his phrase dude, never dry, never die. This guy's going to live forever dude. He's always freaking wet and slimy and weird every single time. I see this guy on social media. He takes a year from my life and he adds it to his. I hate this guy. He got go is the craziest thing I've ever 02:33 I don't want to talk about him so I don't want to talk about how accurate it is, unless you're pivoting and talking about Bethel's I would also accept. Now it's actually honestly oddly familiar story. Okay, are we talking about the guy? Yes, yeah, he here's the thing. Have you watched his documentary yet? I refuse to look at him. He does look like a freaky 03:03 I know, I care. 03:09 oh okay, so and Brian Johnson, if you don't know, you probably have seen him somewhere. Yeah, maybe we can throw a I don't know. He's still alive, but the time is recording. That's the whole thing. This guy's trying to live to two hundred right. That's his goal. Well, he's trying not to die. He don't want to die at all. He doesn't want to die at all, but like which honestly super cool thing like don't die. Just being on all your merge is pretty sick. It's hard, but 03:39 I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I was like you. I saw Brian Johnson and I was like this white gecko is so weird and after research, after researching him, I might be a Brian Johnson fan. 03:54 but let me wait to see how this I was like. I mean, we released an episode about Elon Musk and the episode opens with hey guys, we're talking about really cool guy, Elon Musk. That's what Tim Stone, Timothy Stone, father of this child that doesn't exist yet. That's what Tim Stone said about Elon Musk. I was going to say I got to be cautious here. The cool guy, I got a cool guy, love him, 04:18 I got to be conscious here because so many of us, a pale white guy who looks wet all the time that is true. He does look wet, but he's not like a gecko. He's like because he's got that weird stomach thing yeah. He's like a koala or some no no he looks like a like a naked mole rat for actually accurate. No, here's a thing, but I like a real one. He looks like the animated naked mole rat from Kim possible. 04:41 like most people in twenty eighteen that is accurate. That is really a put that next to an image as robert to put that next to him. That's get is accurate. All right, let's talk about your new your new guy. Okay, first of all, he's not my new for this guy to destroy democracy in six years. He could there's honestly there's a lot honestly he's more invested in democracy lasting because he's going to live forever. That is true. 05:06 it behooves him for this not to here at what age though? Let's say this guy pulls this off right. Let's say Brian Johnson pulls it off and he starts living forever yeah. At what age do we just make him king? You know there does come a point where you just like you still here three hundred yeah. If you're still alive like well, you saw you saw civil war war to civil world war to like that you just put them all together civil world war to yeah. 05:34 civil world, gold war to so right john war to vietnum. It's just not so a world war. Civil World War, knob to what's the dom honestly it just makes any war so cooler when you skull it now so bry Johnson. He was born in seventy seven and can you guess 06:01 Born in Connecticut, no Provo, Utah, see a born and raised Mormon graduated Brigham University. That's interesting yeah grew up, grew up more. We have so much money. Do you much money the Mormons have lots real though? I that it's like for yeah yeah and we love the Mormons by the way listen. There's okay, so we did this bit, not this bit. We made fun of the Bigfoot thing and it's not like Mormons teach that in the church. 06:31 that's just a call. That's like the same way the Christians are like Ken hams a real scientist. You know it's all it's all fun and made fun of yeah yeah yeah yeah but like genuinely the tour I did in Utah was really, really fun and I learned a lot about them as a people, but the things I learned the most was that they just have all the money in the world. They do because they own like Marriott hotels they own. What's all the stuff that the LDS Church owns? 06:57 a lot of stuff. I mean they they have a giant stock. They on the they own to the only NFL. I don't know what you can say. Whatever you want right now, your good podcast. You can say whatever you want. Here's the thing about a lot of people don't know about pretty sure. I was actually brisk young from Roger Goodell is able. They reincarnated them to run the NFL anyway. Yeah, no, yeah, I'm Provo 07:26 He grew up in Provo, grew up Mormon, went to Brigham Young University, and he was your stereotypical entrepreneur. He's in college and he starts a little cell phone company. He hires a couple other students to sell service plans and cell phones. He's making three hundred dollars a phone that they sell. I don't know if he was like subcontracted with someone, and he's got like this little group that's going out and selling all this stuff. He later founded a couple other businesses, one that kind of was like a proto Skype sort of situation. 07:55 it's like a little software company that shut down in two thousand one. So it was like early like early video call situation and then he had a real estate project in two thousand one. It's crazy. I mean I know we've with people have joked about it and stuff already, but the way that Skype fumbled twenty twenty unreal unreal, why I remember I remember being in college twenty fourteen twenty thirteen yeah and like doing video calls and that 08:23 like that's a known you already had it was huge. You already had the hook. Yeah shout out to zoom though, because honestly, genuinely look, we love zoom, but honestly we hate zoom because it was objectively worse than skype and facetime and google meet and we all were like yeah. We should all be using zoom. I don't know how they pulled that off. I genuinely this day. We do you google meet for all of our stuff yeah. 08:49 but they they just because came out of no way able to attach the Google Calendar. You're able to send out the emails, same links. You can use all the emojis and if you use code tillin you can it's just wild to me that they came out at no one knew what zoom was yeah before March twenty and then all of a sudden it was like the biggest dog in the game and I know I don't know how they pulled it off. It's crazy. I should figure it out anyways, so and then he started a real estate venture that didn't work out. So he had a few businesses that 09:19 I shouldn't say didn't work out. We're moderately successful, but didn't last and then in what's his money from though, because he's like rich yeah. We'll get to that. Well, actually we'll get to it right now. So in two thousand and seventy started a company called Brain Tree and the company well just before this. I should back up a little bit. There's a story before this. He's he's in between ventures. He's kind of starting up random little startups here and there, 09:46 but they're not making money. He's trying to get the startup off the ground. It's not making any money, so then he goes and he's like almost in panic mode where he's like I can't survive off what's happening right now. I'm losing money in my startup, so he's like I need to get a part time job. Yeah, so instead of going and looking for a normal part time job, he goes and he looks up the fifty wealthiest people in his area and he emails their assistants and he's like he's like hey, I'm looking for a part time job. Does do you guys need anything? Everyone ignored him. No one responded to any of his emails. 10:16 so then he started going around trying to find, because that's not how you reach out to rich people. You know what gets pretty attention writing it in blood on our drive. You know what gets rich people's attention kidnapping the closest person to them in their life honestly though, and then they'll talk. This is actual advice. All right, you're looking for a job. You're like how do I get ahead hustle grind, kidnap the CEO's child, yeah yeah right and and make them have a video where they're like 10:44 he give you a job. That's the rope in their mouth. The real yeah. You've got to get to a job. You got to give this guy a job. Alex is typing it as if we're going to cut this out and I want to make sure that you know we're not. I asked this guy about his work experience and it checks out. I also called all his references and he's really solid. We should hire him. It says that he's proficient in Microsoft office. He can write. He can use Excel 11:10 And he has a he has a VA for Rickham Young University. He has a 74 day streak on Duolingo. 11:23 which shows his consistency and commitment to becoming bilingual. In his previous role he managed to T-O-20 to achieve all their KPIs. 11:42 Hehehehehe 11:46 He has a leadership degree from James River Leadership College. 11:55 and those are just allegations. No pay attention to. I don't think we should have any attention to the raceless allegations from all to whole women. 12:19 yikes. You know what sure he stole all the money from everyone in his town, but when Jesus came to his house for lunch, he gave it all back. 12:38 hires a key is today. He gave it all back, gave it all back after Jesus came to his house and showed it. Jesus is the ghost of Christmas future. Jesus came to his house and showed what the future was like, and he was like I got to be there for that, and that's why he's trying to live forever yeah, so he couldn't find a 13:01 like any like jobs working for wealthy people. So then he started he widened his scope and started looking for other like for poor people. He's like he resound and the fifty as well is for his people. Hey, you guys need any work done. What could you pay? Yeah, do you need any work done? That's to the wealthiest person and then he sent an email to the assistant was like. What about you? Yeah, do you need anywhere? Sorry, this isn't for the boss guy. This is for you for you personally hold close all 13:31 like I'll take out your trash yeah yeah, so he found he finds a company that was a payment processing company like a credit card processor for stores and he got his door to door sales job and essentially and the commission was really good. It was a hundred percent of sales for the first month and so it's a really good commission and it was just month yeah you go on then yeah. So you got a hustle and so he was like he's like I just went door to door to different stores, try to get a minute of the owner's time to convince them to switch to our credit card processor. 14:00 and he said it was tough because I realized really quickly that every single person that had worked with one of these credit card processors had a bad negative association with them because they were all kind of grifters. They were they were taking it wasn't a fair arrangement. They were taking a percentage off the top and it was bad customer support, bad engagement, and it was always a negative experience. And so the second they found out who I was, they didn't want to hear anything from me like they were kind of over it and it was a pain to switch and all that stuff. And so he created a pitch where 14:29 he came in, he dropped a hundred dollars on the table and he's like he's like hey, I'll give you this hundred dollars. If you don't want to work with me, just listen to my pitch and then if you say you don't want to work with me, then I'll give you a hundred dollars and people like okay, I'll hear what you have to say and then they always were like no, we don't want to work with you. Give me that hundred dollars. Yeah, no, basically he just laid it all out and was like here's what the problems everyone has. Here's why we're better and he said and nobody ever took a hundred dollars for me 14:58 and he said I started closing all these deals and in that process he started realizing imagine some. I'll tell you what right now I would take the hundred dollars just to spite this kid, because it's some arrogant twenty two year old coming to me like I you a hundred dollars. We got listen my pitch and if you decide not to work with me, you can keep the hundred dollars and then when he's talking, I would just in my head be like la la la la la la. Do you think I can zone out for a hundred dollars 15:27 Come on man. 15:31 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, They get ad free episodes a week early. 15:43 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough Patreon supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:15 doesn't matter what you're selling me. You could be selling me the secret to a turn of life. You could straight up take the hundred on a hundred dollars. I want you to lose a hundred dollars and then you know what if I did like the product, I would have my wife call you the next day yeah and then make an order yeah. I'll take an order of your eternal life. Please a hundred dollars make that to what need turn off. I'd like to life sentences please 16:41 and so he's going door to door and he's doing this part time. He's still building a start to start up on the side. After three months, he becomes the best best selling employee in the company and he does the math and he realizes for this company he's making sixty two thousand five hundred dollars a month is what they're pulling in yeah, and so he's like why am I not just doing this and so he shuts down his other job and he starts brain tree in two thousand and seven, which is a payment processing company, 17:10 and it was going to be an online payment processing company. Sure. And so this was already, PayPal already existed. PayPal actually already was acquired by eBay. And so like this is like pretty late in the game. Authorize.net is out there. Like there's a bunch of payment processors out there that are doing it. But at this point, there hadn't really been any innovation since like the late 90s. Like they're still doing exactly what they had always been doing. Sure. And the models weren't great. They weren't great for businesses. And there wasn't a lot of... 17:37 like most developers did not like working with any of these payment processes, so he wanted to make a processor. That was something that developers would like to work with. Yeah, he did just that and grew this company to where it was a pretty successful payment processing company and then they started going out and what he focused on is he focused on all the Silicon Valley companies. He's like we want to be your payment processor and so all the startups he they got uber they got 18:07 Door dash, they were getting all these like companies that were early in their life, start up apps that were going to grow and be really big. He was going and getting him while they were still start up, so he's like they're going to blow up some of these, and so he would just get all of the start ups to use his product. Okay, was a strategy and so because some of them blew up, they ended up being highly valuable. Well, then in twenty twelve, so really quickly five years into the business, they've grown to the point where they're a multi million dollar business. Yeah, 18:35 and then he spots this startup in Silicon Valley that is kind of taking payment processing and giving it to the user, which was Venmo, and so he buys it for twenty six million dollars. A year later, he puts he does a sale Venmo and Braintree together to PayPal for eight hundred million. One year later flipped pretty much flip Venmo. It wasn't Braintree, it was Venmo. He flipped Venmo from twenty six million to eight hundred million dollars in one year. 19:06 Um 19:10 just got to get twenty six million dollars. All we need. All I need is twenty six million dollars and the next Venmo and then the next PayPal to sell the next Venmo to that PayPal for eight hundred million dollars and then I'd be set if I could just do that. 19:31 Or you can join us on patreon 19:38 where we would make a grand total of $5 a month. 19:43 please help support the show. Tim has a kid on the way 19:54 and so he's running this business yeah and it is it's taking its toll on him. Sure he is your stereotypical silicon valley like business startup guy who's working fast yeah eighteen hours a day, getting no sleep, showing up at the office feeling dead, but feeling like there's so much work to do depressed very he's very outspoken about how depressed he was during this time. I'll say right now I have zero sympathy for people who have a her million dollars in the press. Well, first of all he doesn't have this was while he was 20:24 building brain tree, so the five years while he was building it, he was tanking and he was in a very dark place actively thinking about ending his own life and everything was kind of falling down around him. He walked away from his faith during this period and because of him choosing to walk away from his faith, my way from his community yeah. He walked away from his entire community, his wife and kids left because 20:52 they couldn't be together anymore because of that decision and he that's why he's trying to live forever. He doesn't want to face God feels guilty. He's like I never want to see that guy the change. Hold on. I need to show you a picture of him from this era. Have you ever seen his before? No, it is kind of unreal to see what he used to look like. Okay, so here he is when he was running 21:22 brain tree. Isn't that crazy? And so he was very unhealthy. He talked about how he never slept, he never exercised. All he did every day was work. He was depressed. He was in a very bad mental state and he just ate whatever was quickest and easiest to eat, and so he was eaten poorly. He was very unhealthy. He felt terrible and so he finished. He sells PayPal and now he's got enough money to do whatever he wants with his time, and so he says, okay, I want to do something like a lot of these 21:52 billionaire types do changes the war. Yes, yeah exactly, and so he spent some time trying to think about what that's going to be and then he everyone wants to change the world. All right, maybe just shut up maybe take that wealth you've accumulated, try to spread that around a little bit. Maybe you could change the world by changing some people's world. You know, I say I could change the world for one 22:21 yeah you could give me you can support us on patreon twenty six million dollars, and I bet you could then sell me in a couple years, but you could let me for eight hundred million dollars. 22:35 so he spends a couple years getting healthy. He's like he's like I don't have to work this many hours anymore, and so he gets a personal trainer. He starts eating better. I still have a wife and kids yeah, so I got plenty of time to do nothing. He starts another company. He starts another company that does all right. It's like one of those what do you call it like brain, computer interfaces companies. Oh, it starts that that goes all right. 23:05 and then I think he sold it in twenty twenty, not for anywhere near. I mean still a ton of money like fifty million, I think, but not anywhere near what the last one was, and so in twenty now he's healthy at this point and in twenty twenty one. He was like I am getting healthy and there's all this science coming out about anti aging stuff and it's happening for rats and stuff and he's like. I wonder if it could happen for me and stuff 23:35 and so all this stuff yeah man, there's a lot of stuff about mice and stuff. I'm wondering maybe it could happen for me and stuff yeah, so I hired a documentary crew and stuff. Yeah, so what he did well, he didn't even hire the documentary crew. What he did so his eldest son decided is that he wanted to come live with him instead he's like he's like you know. I'm not so sure about the Mormon Church either 24:02 and I kind of miss my dad. I'm going to go live with him. I kind of miss living with a billionaire mom's pretty poor, pretty poor only all miss is 24:13 The nanny. 24:18 Boo! 24:20 to be real has gotten pretty ripped with the past couple years. She's a little overweight and now she's like she's like so direct yeah. She used to talk about how sad she was, but now she's like I never want to die. So imagine that your Mrs Dow firing your kids and the only thing you talk about is how sad you are. I'm so sad all the time 24:48 that's really sucks. Mrs Doubtfire is it so it's very hard to be me and then like a couple of years later friggin miss down. I was like just getting the reps in early every day. What's up? I'm better. I'm never going to die. I'm never going to use to wish I die. No, I never could have died. Look yourself in the everything. Don't die, don't die, don't 25:16 die. These are my positive affirmations death lose and so so what he does is he starts working on what he calls project blueprint, and so it's the blueprint to a healthy life yeah. Okay, so it's like three phases or I think he calls on protocols. Here's the three elements of my live forever blueprint. Yeah, what are they map it out for me? 25:43 I thought what you think three elements of a lift for a blue abundance, mindset, there you go good start. No, so it starts with the first protocol is what we would typically think of. It's like stop eating such garbage, don't die, don't eat a bunch of garbage or first first step is to don't do anything dangerous. Yeah, don't do something that might kill you. No first step was was get rid of all like the trans fats in your diet and like just have a haven what we would call a normal healthy diet and then also start 26:10 exercising and working on your fitness. That's step one super normal. All of us can get behind that step to is like vitamins and supplements, and so there's a bunch of vitamins and supplements of vitamin and supplement routine to get into again a little intense, but also not crazy. You know pretty not easy. He says he looked me in the eye and step three is where things get insane. Yeah, set three is where 26:40 he has like the wake up at four a.m. and turn on a sun lamp in your face and get like five minutes of sun right in your face. I think he said eight thirty if I remember right every night, so he's like eight thirty every night up at four. He tracks his sleep and it's really interesting in the documentary. He's like this my first week where I hit a hundred percent of my sleep goals is like he's like I slept is the first we grab it a hundred percent of my sleep goals. If someone says to you they have sleep goals, 27:15 No one here's what I was saying. People who have sleep goals don't have a counselor. Yeah, that's true. Well, he does actually and that's part of it. Mental health is part of living forever. Have sleep goals, don't have a counselor who's telling them the truth. So he that's pretty fair and then and then in there you so you have some hokey stuff like like the get the sun in your eyes for like five minutes when you first wake up. So hokey I do it every day 27:43 and then and then you've got some some pretty extreme things like blood transfer. I don't wake up till seven when the sun's up. 27:52 yeah, but that Brian yeah. If you wake up a Brian, you idiot yeah, wake up and why are you actual son sleep until the little one is up sleep a little more and get some actual son, but yeah and then this step three is where it's like he has specific times of the day where he's supposed to eat and then like the meals are prepped and plan for him to eat those meals. He's got like ninety supplements he's taken in the morning, and he's also got like a chef that makes all the stuff for you know. He's got the ability to pay for all of this yeah 28:21 but everything in his life at step three, everything, everything and anyone who's doing this at step three. Everything in your life is an algorithm your when you're going to bed when you're waking up when you're working out what workouts you're doing, what you're eating, every single thing comes down to an algorithm where you're putting in all the data of your BMI and the diet you're eating and the workouts you're doing and it's spitting out what you think is a result. That's 28:47 interesting. I do know, so I do know he has an assist with two trainers. I do know he has an assistant who's kind of like running his life. Yeah, what I what else I know is he does have a longevity expert, and so this is a PhD scientist who appears to live somewhere else, like in the UK or something sure, and he does video consultants with consultations with him, and he's like helping coach him through longevity, and this is a real scientist, and it's very interesting watching him talk because he's like brian is the best guinea pig. 29:16 and so he's looking he's like I'm just running science experiments on him because he's open to it and there's no other human you can run this sort of experiments on great, so he's just like all the stuff that we've been doing typically like mice like I get to do on translucent and then I think in another couple months he'll start glowing in the dark is what I'm hoping. Well, here's where here's where the scandal of him came out and why he got famous because there was an experiment that was conducted where there was an old mouse and 29:44 the mice, the mouse's child blood transfusion. Yeah they what they did. This is crazy what they did to the mice. I don't know where they did this, but they couldn't have done it here. I don't think this would have been legal in the states. They literally just connected their their veins together, their arteries together, so they would be like one organism and the blood would circulate between the two of them and having that blood circulate into the elder reverse a lot of the effects on aging of the or internal organs of the elder mouse. 30:14 and so he heard about that and he was like oh, that's interesting. That's great. I've got a child. Well, actually it wasn't as that it this is not that you can go live with your dad, but if you do, you have to give him your blood. That makes us have to say because what actually happened was so his dad. 30:39 that makes it sound insane, unlike reality. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what happened. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 31:05 and so he called his dad and was like hey. I want to do this for you. He's saying I want to give you my this Christmas. You're getting a pint of blood, you open the it's a rat, a stop. Let's get out of that yeah. 31:26 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 31:54 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 32:26 that sucks, so he calls his dad. He's like he's like I want to do this for you and so he's him and Brian and Brian's son, Brian's son, who first of all, Brian's son's name is Talmage. Yeah, that's his son's name sounds like a town and runes. So Bride son Talmage comes to him down like hey, I know you're doing that for grandpa. He's like I want to do it for you to it's. It's more ridiculous that your name is 32:54 brian like it's different. If your name is freaking also it's a yeah, but the fact that you're an or heart and you and tal mids, but it's like oh yeah, my mom, jennifer and my dad brian they named me down tal midge, so tab it comes to brian when he finds out that this is my brother draenor is doing this for my sister varoc 33:26 Verac is the same so bright ones. Now so Tomage, Tomage, what is very look at Alex like he was one of us. He was it is that Rinscape is that all Rinscape stuff yeah nice. Okay, so the only Rinscape thing I remember never mind our dog talisman, so Talmage comes to Brian and Brian's like he's like he's like he's like Brian Dad. I love what you're doing for grandpa and then he's like I want to do the same thing for you, so what they do is they plan this trip. I think was to Miami 33:54 they do this whole trip to Miami and they do the love we're doing for your dad, please take my blood. 34:05 they hold on. I nearly find this picture. They do a photo shoot when they go and the photo shoot that they do is the one with our shirtless and they're like yeah look yeah yeah yeah well they're they're wearing. I mean I guess they also took shirtless photos. They went to a golf course and they took the photos together yeah and it's weird saying it's also like here's the thing look at the dad and this right. 34:33 okay. The dad didn't want to do this. No he did because he's knows he's getting healthy. He didn't want to do a photo shoot. What I'm saying the dad is like, but if your kid who's worth eight her million dollars, it's like I'm going to give you a pint of my blood, but you're like these like you're like. I don't know. I want that and your kid is like well. Do you want to keep living in the nursing home? We're living in or do you want to move into this crappy one? Yeah, well, I guess I'll keep doing this. I guess I'll do the weird photo shoot 35:02 So yeah, they do the photo shoot and then they do the blood transfusion and they've been doing this for years. I believe just transferring their blood to each other and I know it sounds insane, but it's an interesting thing because it's not hard to donate some of your blood to one of your family members who's sick and it is something that it does actually help them and so I don't know. This sounds insane. It sounds crazy. 35:28 and for for Talmage to Brian is weird because Brian doesn't need it for Brian to his dad. It's like that's really like it's like giving a kidney to someone you know it's like that. Maybe not like giving a kidney, because that's like a bigger thing, but it's like you're you're sacrificing something of yours to help someone else. What you're about to you're about to shoot me down. What are you going to say? I'm listening to you. I think it's a kind thing to do to because essentially it's like it's a plasma donation. You're donating plasma sure to your father, so that way he can be healthier. 35:57 and I don't think there's. I don't think that's a weird thing. Everyone acts like it's such a weird thing. I don't think that's that weird of a thing. It's just weird because blood sure and people are weirded out by blood yeah and it's weird because I took the pictures. I don't think my dad a kidney. I'm not going to be like all right, but before we do that, let's do that lady who took my senior pictures. 36:20 where's Molly? Can Molly go take a picture? Once we get them out, let's get both our kidneys out and let's take up the stick. Let's take a photo shoot of a motion of a me handing you a kidney and let's get one where you're like throwing your kid. Don't worry is a real kidney. It's just a piece of raw chicken with some ketchup on it and we're like I give me I've given up my kidney, then we put the raw chicken in by mistake. 36:49 they hooked it up and then we find out. Then we find out that really that's what it was all along that actually work in is just wait. You can replace all of your organs with chicken, brith, the rock, they need all take the half chicken, please I'm going to run to Costco real quick. I'm going to buy frozen chicken breast, get myself some lungs and then when I'm in live, I'll be like I'm going to live forever. He's got having a party 37:18 something like that, putting all these inside me, but all that's why people typically they eat them right. That's our side surgically surgically placing these inside myself. Take everything out and put in some chicken. Make sure you take the bones out though. Okay, got a deep on that chicken before you all right in my chest. I hate this. No, I think it's kind of a beautiful thing. 37:48 that's fine. You get it. Go ahead and move on with the story that they're doing blood transfusions or that's right. Okay, what was this? What was the findings of it though? Did it work? I actually don't know. I have no idea okay. I mean yeah, I have no idea. They're still doing it, so I'm assuming there's been some sort of often they do it. I don't know how often they do it. I don't I you're saying that's weird. It's not every morning. No, it's not every morning. It's like maybe once a year okay, but 38:14 he does have he does have a group of people of doctors and different people who are coming in and they are doing sure different sorts of procedures on him almost daily. The majority of what they're doing, though, is test to see where he's at on a bunch of different metrics right or he's at zero percent body fat. He is genuinely yoked like absolutely yoked, but he does also look sick at the same time. He looks like he doesn't look good, but he's also ripped and he's like 38:44 very, very fit. He's doing incredible workouts like difficult workouts and he seems to be in a good spot. There's a video of him now with like a fitness influencer and he's showing him what he usually does for like dinner and like here's here's my typical dinner and the fitness and influencer is like. Are you hungry when he sees it and he's like always starving on so hungry, don't ask if I go to point five body percent, then my son shoots me 39:14 you said shoots like it's happened. Yeah, he's done it. He's done it. What's interesting is he's now building a community of people. It's the don't die community and great and so the community are people who are similar to him, like trying to make a lot of these changes to their life to be healthier people and and it's interesting because when you're on that first level great love this community, even the second level 39:41 little extreme. Some of that stuff's not really a proven some of that stuff's not really FDA approved little sketchy. I don't know, set the reason sane, but at the end of the day, I do think that there's something here of like traditional medicine is treatments. You're treating an existing condition. You're not doing like preventive maintenance. What he's trying to do is he's trying to help people just take better care of their bodies. 40:09 so that way they don't need to do the treatments right, and so it's like stop doing the stuff that's actively hurting you stop doing the stuff that's actively harming you do some stuff that's going to yeah you healthy like these energy drinks that we drink called X energy or these supplements that we sell called. What is really interesting is he does so he's got a YouTube channel now I should okay back the story up. He blew up after this 40:38 was did the press circuit was on every morning talk show. Everyone thought it was the craziest thing in the world. People were calling him a vampire. People were like calling him. He looks like a robot vampire yeah, or he does look like a lot of empire. Yes, I'm going to live forever yeah. I mean he's your stereotypical Silicon Valley guy too, so like he talks like that he's very like rigid. It's all everything he does. He is a system, an algorithm, anybody can do this with a well with a team of twelve doctors, four personal trainers, 41:07 private chef. He has spent millions on this and if you just get divorced and lose custody of your kids, yeah, anything's possible. Here's what he's not saying that's the message of our pod. If you get divorced and lose custody of your kids, you can do any wide open. He's not saying anyone can do it. What he's saying is he's saying I'm going to go out and try all this stuff that all the researchers are studying, but they can't get approval to do human studies. I'm going to be the human study and I'm we're going to find out what actually works. 41:36 and he's like and so he's like I'm trying everything and he's like I'm going to tell you what's working and so he's got videos on his YouTube channel now. Now his YouTube sounds got like a million and a half years and it's actually really interesting because he reviews a lot of these supplements and he actually will tell you he says okay. I take the supplement. Here's the effect it has. I recommend or I don't recommend and so a specific second supplement that may or may not have sponsors this podcast in the past. He straight up was like this is a scam. Don't use this one interesting and so like he's got like 42:04 stuff that he recommends stuff that he doesn't recommend, so it's very interesting to see like he's not just as a person who's done greens though now yeah yeah the ones that sponsored us were terrible yeah exactly and that's the thing like he will come out and he will say whether or not things legit or not and so it's, but he does like most influencers have his own links to everything and he does have sponsored content, but it does seem and I guess there's no way to know for sure, but does seem like he's only 42:33 doing these sponsorships with things that he actually uses and actually does recommend right, and now he's got this whole community and they're doing meetups now and so they're doing meetups. They're going on walks in Los Angeles. You should do one. Actually, that would be pretty great. That would be pretty funny. That'd be pretty funny if you like you like join the don't die community. Here's the thing they are actively calling themselves a cult in the documentary his dad, but it's like a life cold. Is that what they call it? They call it a life cold. Don't they no de just call it a call 43:01 his his son was like dad. You know you're kind of starting to call right and he went like that was the plan. He really liked that, so now they're like welcome to the cult yeah and so, but yeah now they've got a community of people. It started out with like the first time they did it like fifteen people showed up and now when they do it in Los Angeles like four hundred people show up for them to just like walk in the hills and then and now it's happening in Chicago and New York and 43:26 and it's happening to be around a bunch of weird people. You know, it is the reason I go on walks is to not be the weirds to not be weird. Yeah, let's not be near the weird yeah yeah, but here's the thing. What he's doing is getting a lot of people who very much seem like they probably want to be healthy. If it wasn't for him, like they wouldn't be doing these health things. They want to be conscious of what they're eating. They probably want to be like active and fit. If they didn't find this guy, 43:53 and so I do think he's doing something that's good for a lot of people, and I do think it's interesting. The idea of saying hey, most of modern medicine is how do we treat the symptoms of the condition you have and then says saying okay, how do we prevent the condition right and so he's and he's looking at a lot of honestly unhealthy behaviors we have as a culture and saying let's get rid of those unhealthy behaviors and replace them with healthy behaviors and find ways to make it like a reasonable lifestyle for him. 44:22 unreasonable lifestyle for the vast majority of us, and I think he recognizes that, but he's trying to figure out ways to make that possible. I like his mission. I do. I do like his mission is extreme one hundred percent. Is he really weird? Yes, does he look like a wet gecko? Yes, has he taken it too far? Probably did he name is Kim Talmage. Is that really weird? Yes, here's what I love. If you clip the last like twenty seconds 44:50 we could be talking about anybody in Silicon Valley, so yeah, I guess anyways also also a pastor of one of those weird churches. Also, it's this it's a very similar thing to Bert Kreischer where it's like gosh this this dude loves his kids so much. It's like hard not to like him yeah yeah. It's like it because like he's a lot of this has been 45:20 he's like I miss so much time with my kids and he's like he's like now as much I am literally connected by the veins to my child. Well, his dad too, isn't that right? Yes, yes dad. 45:41 doesn't have a body anymore. Thanks I want something else. Looks like the friggin we're, but it's the same thing with his dad, because his dad, his dad was a drunk. His dad walked out on them. His dad went to jail and so his dad wasn't present and so he's like this whole project is just really really when you think about it actually now that we're at the end of this documentary. 46:07 I apologize because I just now realize that all these efforts were just an effort to get close to my dad and my son and and it cost like I guess I could have just I could have just done that because I could have just had a conversation about how I so sorry I will do it. I just had that epiphany, but it was been five million dollars and trade blood with other people to not talk about their feelings. 46:36 now, but he was talking about your feelings. 46:41 you can do that. Our big tree on is that what you're we have a thoughts of prayer channel on our discord available for our members. If no one listens to you, you can pay for us to listen to you. That's where counselor is. If you don't have anybody to talk to, you can pay someone to listen to you. That's what counseling is. Oh my gosh yeah, so that's Brian Johnson. I guess we've said enough about him. I am cautiously a fan. I am. I'm cautiously a fan. I don't know very much about him yet, so 47:11 who knows something could change. I have been musked before and I'm willing to say I could be wrong about this all right, but so far I think it gets a lot of flag because he's he does seem weird. He is weird. We're going to start selling most of the decision don't fiddle off. I like that 47:36 Hey, if you like that episode, thanks so much for joining us for things. I learned last night. We have a bunch of other episodes you can check out, including this one about count Saint Germain, a real life vampire in the New Orleans who did live forever and he didn't have to look freaky doing it. At least we don't know that or not. You know, if you want next week's episode right now, you can join us on our membership. 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00:00 like hey, how gold were you? Would you be able to be convinced that you've been in space for five days when I'm really you've been on a TV set and a wooden box the whole time? That's exactly what this reality show did in two thousand and five in the UK. They put nine contestants in a fake Russian space simulator sent three of them to space, but all on they were just in a studio in a box faking it. Are you smarter than a space cadet 00:26 This is things I learned last night each week. We learned about an interesting topic, an interesting story and we're laugh a lot along the way. So if you're here for this topic and you're like I don't want anybody, I don't want no jokes, no laughter. I hate joy. You're going to love this. We're so serious. This is the best, so when does this come out? 00:44 February, eleven, February, eleventh. Hey, at the end of this month, I'm in Chicago for three days, February, twenty eight, March, first and March, second. I am in the Chicago area, different different little spots, Cagalan, Chicago land, so I would love to see it one of those shows. All my tour dates are on my website, jenny Myers, dot com slash shows. Please come to those. Please come to those. I need you to come to them because if you don't, it's a bummer. 01:14 We'll see you there. All right. 01:19 Oh hey man, what's going on? Oh you know we're just here at a space Tim's corporate conference. You know I thought this when we did this. You don't have to make it like a weird thing. You're gonna be like oh we're here in this. I just freaking is no one care. I care and I think they I think they to two. I think people look at the two to just what's the episode about to two. Okay, whatever I have you heard of the space cadets, the space cadets, space cadets. Are we talking about like actual space force? 01:49 No, well kind sort of space cadets are those little green guys in Toy Story, right? No, no, those are just aliens. They're not called they're not. I was I listen. Here's the here. We were talking about which sides of the internet we're on and you're like on the side of the internet. That's like I don't know, tunnel girl and what's the other thing you brought up. I don't know something weird. That's I watched a whole. I don't know probably six minute video 02:14 on how they chose the alien voice in fairly odd parents what okay, so there's an alien character in fairly odd parents who and they had the audition for it and everyone came in and did that and one guy when it came in it was like ah puny humans. What's up guys and they were like yeah we freaking like that because he just did something different did something that wasn't alien so 02:44 interesting, speaking of things that are different. We are in a different studio. I don't know if you guys know the room looks a little different because we had to mix up with the schedule and stuff, so we're in this now anyway, a business cast yeah yeah yeah yeah we're going to tell you how to get rich, so we're actually talking about stocks and investing today, not the space cadets cadets is our new coin and the logo from the the logo from it looks like looks like a coin 03:14 okay, okay, so I'm just going to I'm not going to bury the lead on this because I don't know if there's a way I could tell you this story without without the reveal sure. So here's the thing and speaking of reveals what what what we mean what what are you trying to do? What are you trying to we have some hard to share? Yeah, I think now's an appropriate time to do it. That's a good call that we're now that we've spent a lot of time covered a bunch of other stuff. 03:41 Yeah, I mean I finally finished Hello Neighbor, the video game and I'm really proud of my and also Tim's got yeah switch to is coming out so you can maybe they'll make in a Hello Neighbor to Hello Other Neighbor, tell your little fun. I'm going to be a dad. Yeah, we're having a little kid sure it's hers. Not actually there's no really solid proof so far there hasn't been anything to be obvious. Yeah, so episode come out 04:11 I don't know before your kid yeah for sure, for sure, definitely before that okay. No yeah in May, we'll have a little type of our own. That's awesome yeah. So now I have a dad sweatshirt. I mean I still don't know the gender of this child yeah, and I'm going to keep it that way. You're never going to find that I feel like I know just intuitively yeah, but I say it at the same time. We say the same time. I'd say it at the same time ready one 04:41 two three boy. You didn't do it. I wasn't going to say it because I don't want you to ever know I'm never going to ever know. I'll know in May. Let's see. Let's see what you will see. We'll see, but here's. This is why we brought it up. Okay, first of all, big news for Tim great cry. I told him I wanted to be Uncle Jaron and he took real problem with that. I didn't take a problem with that. I just said he does that's weird. His uncle, your is 05:09 we got it baby wait. Is it a boy? Are you having a boy for real? Are you having a boy for real? 05:22 I was genuinely planning on telling you fray. I would for real. Yes, we are God. I hate that you just that's awesome in yeah yeah that's great yeah. We're calling them Tim now pre. I threw that out and Bray was like absolutely not yeah. Why would you breathe straight up was like I hate that yeah yeah no yeah even name picked out all right. You don't have to say your name are here, but we have options. We haven't like yeah yeah 05:50 we kind of feel like start dogs name where we kind of feel like because we're worried. We kind of feel like we're going to let him choose. What do you want to be? No, we just got to feel like if we pick something, what if we look at him for the first time we're like? Oh, that name doesn't fit yeah, so we're not like committing to anything. Well, it also it's so much harder because your wife's a teacher. 06:15 Yeah that she knows there's a lot of association. You ruin so many names just because you go. I mean I love the name, you know all of her and then you go freaking kids. So you know I love the name Levi, I really leave. You know like my favorite name. You are ever have to do something off the wall and crazy just so that there's no annoying kid attached to it. Yeah, I always love Ted Kazinski as like a first thing, but then I found out about Ted Kazinski 06:49 yeah okay. First name is Ted Kaczynski, yeah, I go by Ted for short. It was so and I like and that's why I've waited to have kids yeah. You know yeah yeah, so I mean it's tough to name a name a boy. That's so exciting yeah wow yeah. I thought you I thought you would know because I think I've told you 07:15 the nursery is going to be Star Wars. Did I tell you that yeah? I kind of figured it out during that call. I think when you because we were facetiming when you were repainted and you painted it like green and I was like I when you painted a green that kind of threw me a little bit. I was like that could still we could go either way yeah yeah either way, but then the Star Wars wrapping paper care or the wallpaper came out and I was like oh man that's pretty wild. It is wild so now now 07:39 I've got to have a daughter in the next couple of years and then we just force them to be together so that you and I will never grow apart. Yeah, well, here's the deal. I think I don't know or honestly, who are we? You know if I got a son, who are we to judge? Yeah, you know, right. Either way, we got to force our kids to be together forever. Yeah, I mean here's the thing there. Here's a thing 08:05 by your logic, their brothers already by your logic. I have no no relationship with this kid at all where you're just like hey, I can't we can't wait to be an uncle and you're like why you're not related and I was like what are you talking about now? You made me feel like Tim acted like this is some uncommon weird thing that only people in the Midwest do and then I reminded him of a little show called how I met your mother where every character in that show is referenced as Uncle Marshall, Uncle Barney, Aunt Robin, 08:35 Do you think his kids are like oh dad? Why wait you love aunt Robin? That's your sister and then he's like guys she's not actually my sister and they're like what 08:46 My whole concept of the English language has broken down! 08:53 Yeah, I get that I get that after you called and we talked. You told Brie that I had to I had to go to your wife and we like Brie was like to be at all this right and I was like I was like really what I hated most is trying to push it off on her dude. I did not try to push it off her in that conversation. You were like you were like. I don't think Brie's going to go for it. I did not do that oh 09:22 You can't gas like me dude. I did not that's. I don't think she I didn't think she was going to go for that. What are you? See what happened in those two seconds right? Let's replay that right. I didn't do that. I didn't do to be fair. I didn't think she would go for it. That's why I said it. I didn't say it, but I didn't think she would do it. 09:45 because you said to me she's not going to go for that and then I go. You just said Brie wouldn't go for that and you're like I didn't say that I didn't say that to be fair. I did think that I did say it, but I didn't say that that's a stupid you sound right now. 10:00 you want to talk about the space could be a really good dad. I'm really proud of you and I'm so excited for you. I know this is right now after everything you just I do like and I wait. Even if you don't let me call myself uncle Jaron, I really cannot wait to invest in this kid's life and watch this kid grow and hopefully be a better influence in their life than you are. I hate a nice you because I do know the importance of having male role models and I also know that statistically your kid is more likely to listen to 10:30 an adult male friend than they are their own dad, and that's what I'm most excited for an uncle about you having a boy in an uncle is that I'll have more influence than you 10:43 all right. Let's talk about this. I don't think your wife's going to like that very much okay, so the space cadets yeah the space cadets December space. I'm just holding space for you and your new baby. 11:06 hate this December two thousand and five. Okay, the UK Edmonton UK Channel for producers, Zepetra came up with this show called Space Cadets. This was a group of producers. I gosh we don't have a TV in here today, but I really wanted to show you this picture. A matter of fact, I might just pull this up and turn this around so you can see this. Okay, they 11:36 they had a like incredible line of shows that they produced. Okay, they were on Big Brother, they or they produce Big Brother, they produced wife swap love what now those are two shows. I'd love to be on and 11:56 you let me say that. Why are you not really? Those are two shows I'd love to be on. I'd love to be on because well, and that was the whole thing. That's the whole reason I got married was I was like it's not called girlfriend swap the the that's the whole reason you got married. They say stuff bro. Come on, I'm trying to set up this reveal okay, so they had another show which you're familiar with undercover boss, right of 12:24 that's another show that I've tried. That's why we started our own company. Yeah, everything that every decision I make is based on what reality show will this kid I do yeah yeah yeah, so if you're not familiar with her cover, trying to get on cops next is a show where the boss goes undercover and goes to work. You really got it. You really show that's the show you got to guess. Yeah, so I want you to guess what the show okay hold on 12:52 undercover boss though real quick before we get to whatever your bid is undercover boss subway went on undercover boss right yeah and the founder of subway was and you know not to speak ill of it. So be he was he was he was always very full of himself. He was very you know. I'm the reason this company is successful joke about him. He's not around any sure he's not going to listen to this. They played in prison, not hell 13:24 so anyway that's going on one of the out of context. No, so he thought I, because I worked at subway when the undercover boss thing happened yeah, and he thought that oh also my employees know what I look like. So I can't be the undercover boss, so they sent like a little lower level thing. Oh yeah, 13:46 none of us knew what you look like. No, no, it's not like you know. I got I work at subway. I don't go home and Google. What is the owner of this company look like? I don't have your poster on my wall, dude, yeah, yeah, I do now. I can't think of a single job I had where I knew what my boss looked like. You can't go a single job, a single job, a single job. I had where I'm like. I know what my boss looked like 14:12 like okay, yeah, could it tell you okay, so the show. I want you to just take a guess what the show undercover dads was 14:30 okay. My mind immediately went to like twenty one jump street type thing. Okay is this dad's infiltrating their like kids friend group somehow undercover dads. So you're on the right track except for this is oh they were like let's miss his doubt fire some families. Is that what this is a hundred percent their dad way dad's dressed up like the nanny 14:54 and then I don't know what the cut what they did, but they dressed up like the nanny and try to see how they did. I've got on the show. So far is this image oh like they straight up mrs. Doubtfire, this down fired their kids and I love it so so you're gonna mrs. Doubtfire, a hundred percent undercover, their life yeah and then when they find the graduate high school, if they graduate, let's be real. It's time you meet your dad 15:22 They're gonna think that I stepped out when they were an infant. And turns out I was the nanny all along! 15:36 breeze got to go on breeze got to like she's got to let them catch her crying. Sometimes you know where she's just alone in the room and like and they're like mom was wrong. Mom your kids British these kids in the mid it doesn't that suck. You're going to have a midwest kid. You think about that sometimes that sucks a lot about that living in California. I don't want to raise a California kid yeah yeah. 16:03 I don't know where to go yeah. I can't figure out all people so all of them are a bad stereo anyway yeah, but your kids are mom. What's wrong and then he's got to be like he left you know and then and then I come in and go don't cry Briana. He was a pig and he was useless and what he had that stupid podcast. 16:32 that's so dumb like your mrs. Doub firing your kid and then when they turn a when they finally go to school, reveal take his face off. You go, I don't know how long she was no, no, no, this she was he's six years old now we're committed. You can't quit now back now yeah yeah. What's the point though? What finally do rise with you and bring here? 16:56 all because of this bit anyway, that accounts like I'm still dressed like the nanny has their own count. I like method acting because like I miss is down firing your counselor. 17:12 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 17:39 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 17:56 You're Mrs. Doubtfiring your wife's counselor to get information on what your wife is telling you. 18:06 going you could you could dress as a stuff. I go to your wife's counselor, tell that wife's counselor all the problems that you think your wife is bringing up to see what solutions your counselor offer yeah and then you and then you hang with your counselor is like honestly. I would say just sit him down at dinner and say the following sentence and then they say the thing that Bria just said to you the night before you're like. I knew that wasn't her. I knew that was new and I knew it so your voice just got really deep. 18:35 didn't get deep. It's been deep okay, so space cadets. I watched there was a there was an ad that came up the other day on my on my feed yeah. That was clear like this person was walking through Walmart showing the price of something at Walmart versus what it's available on the shop or whatever yeah, and I'm not joking when you like this. 18:58 I can't believe that this you know clearly somebody who's like I'm gonna make my voice deeper for this. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Wow! I can't believe govi lighting is this expensive at Walmart. It's this much at the and people in the comments were like. What are you doing? Your voice, what do you what do you do? What do you do? I'm out. What do you talk? This is my voice is what I sound like. Oh my gosh crazy. Are you doing that with your jaw? You think it looks hot 19:27 so December seven two thousand and five. This production company puts out in a show and releases on the seventh called undercover dad, no called space cadets undercover dad was one of their shows. I just wanted to bring that up, so they had a list of reality shows that were successful big reality shows and then undercover dads, which I wish gosh. I wish it came to the U. Honestly, would probably do well now. Oh, I think it would crush anyways. This show was a 19:55 the bold show is a ten episode show that started on December seventh ended on December sixteenth, so it was literally night night yeah, which is crazy. I don't know if you could do that nowadays like tried it with the reindeer games, big brother reindeer yeah having a nightly. I just don't think anyone has time for that. Well, they did in December. Hopefully people on crit, they because they're going for the college market to be honest. I guess that makes sense yeah, which I mean with I remember Christmas break in college. I would just stay home and watch 20:24 I mean episode after episode of after episode of Park, which is what I did during the semester to but that's why I filled out, but I'm saying like the December was really that's really yeah. I used to watch like four episodes a day on a December. I'd get like six or seven episodes and interesting interest. So they went on a basically this. The concept of this show yeah was they did a casting call and they cast in three actors. There are going to be three actors in the mix with all the contestants for the show. 20:53 and then there was going to be. Let me see what is this nine actual like participants in the show, so twelve people yeah, three of them are three of them more actors are in on it yeah, are in on it and what they told them is they let they were like okay. It's an adventure show and when they showed up on set for the adventure, they were told what the concept of the show was and it was that they were going to go through space, train space training and three of them are going to get to go to space and that was the concept. So obviously the actors win 21:22 well, the plan, no, the plan is there was never a good. No one was going to space. There was a simulator. They were going to put him in a simu, but if you do that with the actors at the end, no, they're on the real people. They wanted to see if they could trick him into believing they took him to space and there was going to be a five day trip in space and so is five days, a five day training and then they were going to pick the three top of the class. 21:48 and then the three top of the class. They were going to send a space with two pilots and the two pilots were also actors and it was a simulator. They built. They spent five million dollars building the simulator okay to try to make it really convincing like they were going to space, and so here's how they pulled this off. So they did the casting call. They put out this big casting call and they said hey, 22:08 you want to be on TV and so they bought these people in that's that is what happened. I live in Los Angeles and I'll be pumping gas. I'll be the gas station and someone's just over here. They open their jacket and they're like you have me on TV. I'm like what you know those people who have watches and stuff and like this one's just got like different pamphlet. They're like you're a top of the gas station on the way to Branson. They got all those pamphlets and stuff. Yeah, yeah, I would be on TV. Yeah, I put your clothes on like here's real. 22:38 hey you want to be our tv. You're about to be on the news. Yeah, you're going to be. I love watching tourists come to Los Angeles and fall for that by the way. It's my favorite thing. It's like you're talking to a homeless person right now. I hope my parents came out to L. A. We went to the Santa Monica Pier. You know what happened at the peer what street performer looked at another street performer and went that guy's a cop again. It happens to me believe a lot. Why does street performers exclusively though? 23:07 no, not just not just three performers. I mean it's most often street perform. Oh yeah, but well there because they're looking they're like they're like they're on edge. Yeah, you know, but like I mean that girl that lady I gave an uber ride to one time. She was like you think I don't know an undercover cop when I see one you do look like an undercover cop that's what I'm saying. What like first of all, if I look like it make me one, how do I become one? I would love that yeah. I thought that there's you know you know are you missed out firing me? Are you have you been an undercover cop this whole time 23:36 that's what my face is so saggy. It's a missus downfire. No, I did think that we went to Disney on this past week and while La was on fire, just fires were more contained. Yeah, we evacuated. We went back home and then we were like let's get let's go to Disney. Forget about all this. That's not what we did. We had I feel really bad that we went to Disney on Sunday. 24:05 the fires had died down whatever. Okay, our friends passes expiring into her last operation. We went yeah, you know yeah, but the whole time we're walking around. This is my brain the whole time we're walking around. I was like you sacks of crap. I can't believe you guys are just enjoying a Disney day while L. A is burning 24:31 ice cream. I was judging people the whole time. I was like we're here because our passes expiring yeah. That's why we're here. Good reason to be here. That's why our rest of you, her pass was expiring. We would have been volunteering today. 24:54 Yikes, this is some Tom Segura level disconnection right now. Yeah 25:02 I want your eyes look like that. I thought it was, but we could save it for the out of the fiddle. That's great. So anyway, what I was saying was the whole time I was at Disney, yeah, I was kind of like. I know there's plain clothes security here and I want to be one of them so bad. Yeah, I don't know how to get that job, but I want it. I there's two jobs. I want a Disney. Here's two jobs. I want a Disney. I want to be a plain clothes security officer. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, right. Yeah, second job 25:31 I want to voice crush the turtle. That does seem like a real job crush. The turtle's really funny world. They have the monsters ink thing yeah yep yep. Both of them great at it crushes fun job crushes funnier consistently consistently. I don't know how they do it. They get consistently really good improv actors to do that voice. Well, I mean I know how they do it there. They cast them 25:56 in Los Angeles yeah, but I mean it's it's yeah. What's impressive to me is there's that many people who can do that that well. It's impressive to me. I you just anyways anyway, so the audition process yeah they had this. They had a pretty rigorous audition process. They made them try to be truss the turtle and then they're like your voice isn't good enough for that. You're not very good. You'd be great for the space show. We got like give us an alien. Can you give us an alien 26:22 that's pretty to stay at the puny. I already is that the alien from fairly. I parents sounds like crush the it was just I got to work on my impression. I wouldn't yeah anyway. I'm not confident of the do it on here, but I would love to yeah keep practicing so they started out. That's not the right by just finding out. Do they ever serve in the arm services? 26:51 or how do they have it? Have you been to space before? Yeah, you ever been the space? They have harder trick somebody who's been yeah. You've been there. It's it's yeah. Yeah, they also asked if they had interest in space travel or science fiction or nasa or anything like that, and if they had any of those sorts of interests, they kicked them out and so it's like you know too much and we're not going to be able to trick you. You're going to be able to tell sure and then they gave them psychological test to see 27:19 if they were like susceptible to group think yeah and like can we get you into the group and get you to be like well, everyone else thinks this is the same kind of thing as that that special we watched the Darren Brown guy the place yes yes yeah yeah same concept, so they did that type of stuff. They also do a whole other episode on that yeah. We should actually we should just do an episode on agent Darren Brown special because all of them were very good for that one. I like that one yeah. We can't do it though it's fair 27:48 they also tested to see if they were claustrophobic, because they were going to be in like the capsules and stuff, which is fair. That's a try. I see who were like yeah. We need to find that most costal re make a break bro. Then they also asked them. They also did some stuff like they publicly humiliated them, so I publicly humiliated them to see how they would react, so they like blindfolded them and made them dance without any music with the whole group of 28:14 people auditioning watching over like these with a spray bottle and they sprayed the front of our pants. They're like you yourself with warm water to with warm water, so you're not actually sure you're like I, I don't I think I did honestly I didn't feel it, but now that I'm, but now that you mentioned it it does seem like it smells like is this is this hack who they got from the hard work you spray me with 28:44 he did this is you're a little too offended by this yeah. You got to go. I think you're dismiss way. I went to Rondish and I like I met a guy on the street who wait you want to be on TV and I said yeah and then I followed he's like let me hear your alien voice and I was like cowabunga and he was like perfect. That's really good sprain you with raccoon and that's right to the line and he was like it's weird how offended you are about this and I was like 29:13 really weird. You think everyone else has been super chill about it. Everyone else is like they love this. This is everyone else is a favorite part is their favorite part. 29:27 basis. What was your fair part of the whole process? Probably the part where I got spritzed he came up and just give it a yeah. It's like wrinkle release, but it's called raccoon release. 29:46 I got chased by raccoons for days. 29:52 Yeah, you leave the audition 29:58 you're walking you're like the raccoon all right. It's following your little ducks. They really hit a row. That's what they look like. These are little hands and they're like back 30:15 that man's being followed by twenty six raccoon yeah yeah yeah yeah. How do you pull numbers on him for some reason they're all wearing numbers and then you notice another is a separate camera crew that's following you, filming the reality show raccoon race, which one's going to win. Is it the human or the hey you get to keep 30:40 congratulations, that's yours. Now, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, stop everything right now we're i Alex. Who cares what time it is? Okay, who cares keep rolling listen that Christmas party we did. Did we talk about the other option? I don't know if we can what 30:58 Did we talk about the backup option? If I wasn't available to do this Christmas party, no we haven't talked about okay, so I did a Christmas party for some rich people okay, and he's a good friend. The house is crazy. It's whatever right. We with the literal show was in the guest house. We didn't get to see the main house yeah, where he keeps the the guest house was great. The treasures, I guess I don't yeah, so the shows in the living room of this guest house. It's like a forty person show. He tells me I don't know five minutes before I go on stage. 31:25 stage before I stand up in the living room. He goes a he is what we booked something else just in case we couldn't get you for this. That's like a back up plan yeah, and I was like oh, what was your back up plan and he said it was mouse racing and I said what he said mouse racing. It's literally have you heard of this all right? It's the most backwards Missouri thing I've ever heard. It's a little giant board think of like a plinko board. 31:51 from yeah. Just think like yeah, a plexiglass and then there's like ten rows solid rows and there's openings on this side where they put in ten mice live mice live real mice and they put cheese on the other end and then you're just they just release the mice and then you're betting on which rose one with my number mouse number seven is going to make it to this end first and I was like hey buddy, you should have just done that instead of me. There's no way I can compete with that. What are you talking about? 32:20 So Jeren and I we climbed into some place to class to my shows when mouse racing exists. Are you joking? Yeah, that's insane. We could do that. We could we could do a telling name the mice yeah. They do let you name them. I was going to name one grave digger free show not the backup plan showed up that is true. That was why we found out about it is that he forgot to cancel the backup plan. 32:43 and the backup plan showed up and he was like oh sorry, I canceled this weird and I was like hey, hey, hey, if they're still here, I'm in let a man run those mice anyway. That's crazy. So basically space cadets is mice racing, but humans yeah and then and then they asked them just straight up. They said who's the person you trust most in the world that could vouch for you to do this this show 33:11 and then and they would yeah, they gave them the person them in front of them and they were like they're like. Do you still want to do the show? So you're standing there covered in raccoon. You just watched the person you trust the most like man. I should have listened that they could do that so to live in it and you're like how bad do I want to be on TV? 33:46 this is crazy. No, so that they called them. They called the person you trust most yeah, and they said hey, Jaren gave us your number. He said you're the person he loves the most. Yeah, we're going to trick him into thinking he's going into space. Do you think he'd fall for it? Like honestly, do you think he'd fall for that and if they said yes, they like okay sweet, we're going to do it. Don't tell him and then and I love that. I love that they were like. Who do you trust most? Okay, we're going to get him in on the bit 34:17 that's crazy yeah, and so they picked out their their victims right. It would be by the way she called me. She's like I'm going to tell my 34:31 whole thing. She made you get rid of your office and make it a whole thing just so that way I could get out of that room. I would be honest with you and you need to hear this now. She's mrs. Doubfine, so they got a group of mostly students. Well, I guess not mostly student. There's a I'm not going to go through all the people. I was going to show you pictures of all of them, but it's just a bunch of like 34:56 nineteen and twenty something people yeah reality tv cast yeah and they're obviously like they're susceptible, but the audience watching the show knows that we're not actually going to space. Yes, we're fully aware we're aware of the bit the whole time yeah we're fully aware you meet the cast and the cast is very susceptible people and they're like I'm here and I'm single and if a show man's forms or show man's form and so 35:25 they take them out on the runway. They're in Edmonton, I believe yeah, they take them out on the runway. There's the plane. It's all dramatic and they're like you're here for an adventure and the host is there and he's like and the adventure is three of you five days from now are going to space and everyone's like what no way oh my gosh and like freaking out yeah they board the flight and they take what normally would be a seven minute flight. 35:52 and they make it last six hours. They just fly around the North Sea, flying around the UK and they're just flying in these circles. They tell them they took them to a decommissioned Russian space base where they space base where they were going to be trained by some retired cosmonauts on how to go to space and so these are obviously actors yeah and these actors they the what they did on this set. It was the set was actually retired to US 36:22 in Air Force Base and they the producers they flew to Russia and they spent a few weeks in Russia and they just took note of everything and then they went back to this US base and right in it yeah, and so they changed the outlets to be Russian outlets. They everyone in the cast and crew that smoked. They swapped out their cigarettes for Russian cigarettes, so that way if someone found the butts, they'd be like all these are Russian. Here's the thing. Here's the thing that gets me as rush. Those are Russian but 36:51 I know a Russian, but what I see I know a Russian, but when I see one 36:58 no, I don't war heads. They went really, really hard on setting up this. This don't write that down. I saw you type in those can stay all right. Just let us have a little bit of freedom over here. This is America, don't Vladimir Putin, my jokes censoring me so they he's typing 37:27 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tillon topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 37:54 I like 38:19 okay, so it's interesting to me because they got highly susceptible people. Yeah, but they spent a lot of time making sure that none of these people would yeah figure it out like we're going to make this look really fair. It's kind of like the the jury duty show yeah that there's a lot at stake and if you get to day five and blow it, then you've just wasted that is true lot that is no and so they get in there 38:46 And the whole first half of this show, the concept was you're in space training, so there's like classes they're doing, there's physical challenges they're doing to see if they could fare in space. What is interesting is the way they set this up, and I don't know if I love the way that they set this up, because the way they set this up was like 80% of what they were learning was true, and 80% of the challenges they did were like accurate challenges you would do if you were going to space, like training. 39:13 but then they threw twenty percent of the stuff in there to see like he stuff yeah. They're like let's see if we can just make him seem built dumb. I guess we're believing this and so they would just teach him stuff that was like clearly wrong yeah, but they were like we're just going to mix them in there and see what happens yeah and then they base you could only shotgun diet coke like and you can't do regular coke. You can't it'll blow up your intestines. Speaking of blowing up your test is actually the 39:43 this week sponsor speaking of blowing up your intestines. This episode is brought to you by chipotle and if you use code tilling, they're going to charge you twice for that guac the there was some issues with the actors, so one of the actor cadets charlie skelton was his name. He had to drop out on day three because he got gastroenteritis and then another 40:12 another one of the actors he you're going to hate this. He during one of the physical challenges kicked something and kicked his toenail off and then he had to he had to leave because he like it like got infected or something. I know that I'm listening to this episode in the future and I just reacted the same way then to you know so yeah. So they had to drop out of the whole event, so it got to the point where there's one more actor in like the group of yeah of cadets and so 40:41 they're doing these physical challenges and then they're also doing these things that are like. Why did you have them do this and so, for example, one of the things that they were taught was that Russia brought a dog to space and that dog went up to space and then came back and they named with town in Russia after him and it was like a hero in Russia and it recently died. This dog recently died and so like we need to hold a funeral for the dog and so they made the whole cast. I'll tell you why they did that. We tell you why they did a dog, because that's 41:08 really funny and that's the only reason they did that is so they made them in this for all they know like an actual Russian cosmonaut facility do this funeral and they're carrying the ashes of this dog and one of them he trips a drips and he spills the ashes all over in this funeral and they're like sweeping it back in devastating. They're doing goofy, goofy stuff like this the whole time. Why do they do? 41:36 I mean, I have to take exactly why they did that and was it the act of the fell or was that or that just happened that just happened? Now you know the production truck they were they threw their headphones off like they're watching they're like friggin champagne. So that's a whole layer, so they do the whole thing. They do the training, they do all this all this different stuff. There's 42:05 there's all the like challenges and everything like that and then on day five morning of day five, they're training captain or whatever they the name they gave him came in and was like okay, it is we have made our decision on who's going to go and so they selected three of the contestants and they said you guys are going to go to space and so they started getting them all suited up. They took the other ones out into a different room and they revealed it to the other ones and so they showed them this montage of all the training and every time they lied to them, they like 42:35 put a little like there. There was like lie lie and it's like this like hokey like yeah, being your so everyone's in this room just like realizing it was all right yeah yeah and they're like and now they're going to go to space and so they let them watch outside the simulator and watch them load what they think is a real plane or real spaceship, and so they load them into this. What they think is a real spaceship and this is the thing that they spent the majority of their money on is building a fake spaceship and so 43:02 they had this massive sound stage with all this state of the art sound equipment to make explosion noises. They got a real jet engine in there that they attached to it to be like obviously just extremely loud and convincing. They had air bags mounted underneath. It was just a wooden simulator that air bags that were just going to go off twenty four seven to like give turbulence almost while they were in space, all this different stuff to really just sell the illusion that you're on a space shuttle and then they loaded them up and they started 43:32 going out to do this this trip. They all get get suited and they have two actors. They're the pilots and they start doing it and the sound systems malfunctioning and so they're supposed to be launching right now. It's like well, it's completely silent. They're just sitting there and like there's like some movement, but like there's no noise and so the actors luckily thought quick on their feet and they're like they're taxing us out and so like that's what we're doing right now and so then they like 44:00 pivoted while gave the audio engineers enough time to fix it and then they fix it and then I okay now it's time to launch and then they did the countdown again, so they thought that they counted down for the taxi and then counted down for the whole on 44:20 Yeah, so we just got we just got to go out to run. We ever been at the airport and they do that like back out. They okay. How many people think that airplanes are backing up? I saw you see this online. We were like oh if airplanes can back up, then I could probably figure out how to parallel park airplanes on backing up. Yeah. What do you think that little that little they don't stop? Don't you just said say it again? What do you think they're not doing that? Use your brain for twelve seconds. All right, 44:49 Oh, they do the blow. They blow the other way. 44:53 No, it's a tow truck. Yeah, it's a taxi. It's not a tow truck. It's a it's a it's a it's like a airport tug boat and they're freaking just that's why every time I fly, there's a bunch of tug boats on the right. That's what I call. That's what I call tow trucks. I go. Oh, that's a tug. That's a land truck. That's a land tugger. 45:13 that's a really tugs, so they get in this they get in this shuttle, so they space they they can down this bed yeah. They have all the vibrations. They have all the sound the engines blow in and then they get into space low worth orbit. What they told him is the whole time they're like we're going to low earth orbit. Originally, the plan was the moon, but they're like that's going to be a little hard to sell sure, so like let's just go to lower over it. So they take the lower earth orbit. How are they doing the anti gravity? Well, that was the thing during training. They told them they're like hey 45:42 anti gravity or you're not going to feel that they're like you're not going to feel the low gravity effect because we've actually anything you can understand you can solve and so they told them they had an anti gravity machine that they built and they bought it and they're like yeah. We figured out I like gravity and so you're going to be it's going to feel like earth gravity when you're in there and everyone's like okay yeah. Oh, that makes sense yeah. Oh, I'm dumb. Oh yeah, you're right. I don't know a thing yeah. 46:09 but I mean to be fair, that's why they picked the people they picked yeah, yeah, and they were like they're like. Do you know that anti gravity doesn't exist and they're like no like perfect and then a week later they were like we created it to gravity and they're like sure, so then they get up to nearer orbit and then they had the big reveal. They had one of those giant like I max screens outside the the shuttle and then they turned it on and that was the view of the curvature of the earth 46:38 and they let them all come and look out the and the one I was like 46:49 I'm not buying it. Earth is flat, though, actually flat. I may not know a lot, but I know that I know that's flat. These are dumb people. Yeah, you're right. No, they this was a moment. People have been watching this for a flat or a third. Have you thought about all the stuff that would make you not love your kid? No, not yet. Actually, you should start making a list because there's a lot of stuff that, like if my kid came to me, it was like a dad, the earth flat. I'd be like hey, 47:19 hey, you don't pack your ever tell anybody forget that you think that no this is like is pretty conditional. There's like the sixth day of the show and this moment everyone ahead. The public was like oh shoot. What have we done because all three of them? They look out the window and they have this visceral reaction of like seeing the earth from space and they're all like in tears. They're like 47:47 like oh my like I can't believe what I'm seeing right now and like they it's like a very emotional. I was really like the producers are like yes, this is exactly what we want and then there's one producer over there like I can't believe we killed their best friend in front of them and then made them look at space like this and so they had their talking heads and they I should go back to the show that has moral standards where I used to work. 48:15 who is biggest loser. So they they had they did these talking heads and they all like we're talking about how this moment changed their life and changed their view on everything. They're like I can't believe like they were they were all talking like ash. I was like talk they're like again. You see it from up there and you just realize how small and insignificant you really are and like you see the whole thing and everything you know is in that little view. It's amazing and is there's an IMAX screen 48:45 and so they have them up there and they had them do these random tasks throughout the next couple of days while they're in space. Then they have their re entry, so they do the re entry. They told them where they were targeting for the re entry and they're like yeah, we're going to open you up. You're going to be in like a field somewhere in Russia and so the pod comes back at crash lands in Russia and then they have all this like steam in there and everything and they open up the pod and they're in the studio with the live studio audience 49:14 and these people climb out and they're like what and then they show them the same video and then the reaction of these three people to be like wait a second and they're like yeah you never left like you've been in this exact spot this whole time like you have not. This has been a studio the entire time you've never even lifted up off the ground and they like explain to the whole thing and just watching them like they're like they're literal their heads were in their hands. They were like what is going on like losing their minds? 49:44 but the host of the show said something in this interview that was really interesting. He was like and I want to talk about this in the after the fiddle a little more sure, but he's like he's like he's like you have an experience of the fiddles what me and Tim call our phone calls. It's this is everything we do outside of the show is the after the ever released anywhere. We just talk and so the host tells them yeah hey you 50:12 he's like whether it was real or not, the experience you had is an experience that so few humans have ever had to see earth from space and to feel that feeling of insignificance. She's like so few people have ever felt that feeling in their life and they were just kind of staring at of like. They're like. Thank you Julie Chin, 50:34 so then that's like a kind of consolation. That's like if you find out that you've been married to a spy for like two decades and they leave and someone goes in a very few people have had the feeling of being in love and you're like yeah. I don't think I have count. I just found out that my spouse was lying the whole time. It was all a trick and that our house was a studio yeah, but you were in love. You know now you say like that and some good times 51:04 Yeah, yeah. Do you smell raccoon P? No. 51:13 No, that's real. 51:18 so they so that wasn't right. Coopi. No, that was actually that was real. Everything else was made up. Was real looking back. I don't know why we did that. That was unnecessary. A little rude, bullying on a kind of me. Now that I look back, we bullied you a little. Yeah, the whole show really is just a multi million dollar bullying is what this was well. We 51:48 we spend. You guys are going to love this. We spent months combing through a hundreds of people to find out who's dumb enough to fall, right, and we decided to use you three three people were so so so dumb. Everybody everybody's been watching, but hey hey hey listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. Yeah, you're dumb okay, and that's why it's great for you because you're hot 52:16 you're hot and down made for reality. Here's what's incredible. The perfect makes of stupid and sexy and that's what we need on tv and guess what we called your mom. She said oh yeah, he is totally stupid enough for this. He doesn't know that I'm really his dad doubt firing him his whole life. He called the nanny and the nanny answer hello. We were like is this are you the nanny you're now I'm that they trust the most. Oh 52:46 yeah, I've been gaslighting them for twenty two years. He's dumb enough he's dumb, so as a consolation, they gave each of the they gave each of the three twenty five thousand dollars. They gave everyone else five thousand they gave and then they gave all of them a trip to Russia and they left them there. 53:12 then see if you can get back again. A trip to Russia and they had amazing race was born. They did do a one of those zero gravity experiences where they fly the plane and flip it and drop it or whatever and you get to experience that for sure. What do they do? Do they flip it or do they just drop it? Yeah, it's just dropping out to but it's also like I think they get high enough that I think they yeah anyways, so they did get to experience zero G and then they also did get to experience having a twenty five thousand dollar check 53:40 and they got to believe they went to space, so the real winners here, and so it was a one season show, because obviously once you do that, yeah, like kind of hard to pull it off. You can't do it again. Yeah, I really really want them to do it here. It's been long enough and I have never heard of it. I think in the US we never heard of it, so I would love for them to try it here yeah, but anyways that space cadets. Do you think you would fall for it? Let us do it in the 54:11 does it really are you who are you let us know the cutty down 54:17 tell us in the comments if you can find them. If you know how to leave a you know what that's how we'll know if you leave a comment. We know you're not dumb enough yeah. Anyone who doesn't leave a comment. If you don't leave a comment, then we know you're dumb yeah. You don't come in. You're a dumb person at some for you. You can't come on. We can't figure out how to comment on our videos. How embarrassing wow such a little brain 54:54 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you like this one, you might like Boys Alone. Boys Alone was another British reality TV show where they just watched a bunch of boys that they left alone in a house in the middle of the UK and it was it was rough. It was pretty rough, the things that happened in that show. And hey, if you want to watch next week's episode, it is available right now to our patrons. 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Episode Transcription

00:00 have a message from the profit stop Coney, twenty, twenty twelve, that's not hits twenty, twenty five your way off whatever. If you're a millennial, this is a core memory for you in your high school college age years where this mega viral event happened in two thousand and twelve. Yes, this thirty minute video goes crazy viral and we're all going to try to stop this guy in Uganda, yeah, who is assembling a children's army yeah, but as it turns out 00:27 there was some problems with the film and there was problems with the film maker that derail the entire movement in a matter of weeks, yeah and it it derailed in a pretty big way spectacular way. So we cover what actually happened with Coney 2012 and where it stands today. Yeah, it involves the Lorax 00:48 Yeah, so you get it. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast, so we're going to cover the topic and then also we joke around a laugh a lot along the way. This whole show we learn useless information and we joke around and so if you like this episode, you want more of it. We got two hundred something other episodes you can check out. We appreciate you for being here. Let's jump into the episode. 01:09 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Coney? Twenty twelve? Yes, yes for our young listeners, you're in for a treat. Do you know this story? I only remember small parts of what we lived through. I like like I remember Coney, Twenty Twelve being a meme. Like I remember people being like Coney Twenty Twelve and like saying it everywhere and like wearing the shirts and stuff like that. 01:38 but I'm going to be honest as a joke, not as a joke, but just like I just remember it being everywhere, yeah, everywhere. It didn't start as a meme. I know yeah yeah yeah, but I didn't know what I had. Yeah, I don't remember ever finding out what it was. Oh, I remember watching the original video. Oh really? Yes, I remember. I never saw the video real clearly a friend. It was in my it was when my parents are building their house and so we were in that crappy rental and so we didn't have a computer room. It was like just in the side of our living room. 02:07 and I remember sitting there for the full like how how long was it? Twenty seven minutes yeah yeah thirty minute video yeah that we watched at the computer yeah. I knew I remember knowing who Coney was yeah and I remember people were like yeah. We got to take him down right and I remember the Coney twenty twelve thing being everywhere, but I never saw the video. I didn't know you never want. I didn't know what Coney you watch this or why yeah 02:34 or why so I had to go down half an hour to watch that video, but yet you don't have any time to research the topics that I gave you. This is a this is a topic you gave me this literally is a topic you gave me. It's not a topic I gave you literally. You said Coty twenty twelve, but that prove that you gonna prove that yes. I'll pull my phone out of it, but prove that I text that to you. I'm doing it right now. I don't think that this is real. I didn't suggest this you did 03:00 right. I said tell me the origin of the sonic coney hot dog and somehow you ended up here at cony twenty twelve 03:11 Gosh, we have way too many texts in this thread. Yeah, hold on, hold on. I'm I'm I'll see if I can find 03:21 I don't know. I'm trying to find trying to I can't I can't find out of I swear you not know this was something that you said we should do. I swear oh my gosh tick tock or did you already check Instagram? No, I didn't check Instagram. Why don't you look at 03:55 you turned on vanish mode you freaking monster. How do I turn that off? Can I not turn that off? Can I do? Am I not able? I don't know if you turn on vanish one. Can I not turn vanish? What I do anything? Oh my gosh, hold on. I'll fix this. I'm trying to there we go. That's right. I un send a message real quick. 04:18 all right, go back to it. So I really don't think I said I'm trying to un the message real quick. What dog 04:32 is it like that? I don't know. It's pretty funny. I would have Mariah oh no. I added that it said and said. Hey, do you want to get festive? That's what it said. Okay, you deleted it, you deleted it. 04:52 you a hundred percent deleted it. I know for a fact you recommended this. All right, this is to this is a stupid thing or too much time on this. We have too much to cover. Oh man, you said coding twenty twelve. I know for a fact you said coding twenty twelve. I'm not going to have you gas like me like this. This was one of your recommendations. The only reason I did this okay. I can't find it to be honest like I this started as me gas lighting. I can't find it. It went to maybe you delete. Maybe I didn't send this. I know you did 05:22 I know you did. Maybe you said it on a phone, convert, maybe you said it in person in a conversation like on the phone or something. Maybe it wasn't in a message. Huh? We do talk to each other a lot, so it's probably it might have been in a conversation. Some might say we're codependent. Some might say that yeah, so Coney yeah, Coney Coney is the last name of a man named Joseph Coney. He was the leader or I guess is the leader of the Lord's Resistance Army that 05:50 LRA. This is his official logo that he made with colored pencil. Yeah honestly for a colored pencil logo, not bad sure, but the this is him. This is this is Joseph Coney. Yes, we've all seen him. He we haven't because I brought this up to a couple younger people and they had no idea what this is. Are you serious? Yes, I mean I guess I guess I didn't know the story either like I right. 06:18 of no, but I'm saying like we were we were seniors in high school the year this happened yes and so people younger than us were a lot of our fans who are early twenties. Yes, we're literally eight years old. Yes, yes and so they have no idea what this is. So this organization, the Lord's Resistance Army was founded in nineteen eighty seven right and just a coney founded it as like a rebellion against then you gone and pro president 06:46 Yowary Musavini. Musavini. We'll just call him Musavini, because that's his last name. And so, Musavini wasn't, was like kind of a dictator, and Kony was rebelling against him. There was a lot of different rebel groups that were rebelling against him. Kony came from, Joseph came from a separate religious, I guess you could say rebel group. He was brought up in that, and that was led by 07:15 they had a single woman who was the head, the figurehead of that organization and she claimed to be possessed by God and so she and she had some very strange war tactics. So he grew up in a cult, essentially yeah yeah and and so he was brought up in all that and so when he started his he brought over some of that stuff into his lra. What year was he born? Do you know he would have been born? Hold on, let me look 07:45 Okay, so he's twenty six when this is happening, yes, and so he starts his organization and in his organization he takes some of that same stuff over to his organization. His goal is to create a new Uganda that is ruled by the ten commandments. That is his plan and he says he's he is inhabited by three spirits and those three spirits had three distinct personalities and they would speak through him all the time and he when he would when they would speak through them, he would change his voice to sound like the spirit that was speaking through him. 08:14 so there's one where one of them was a female and so he would raise his voice really high and be like I have a message from the prophet or something. I don't know what I don't know what all the spirits names were, but you just clip that can you just clip him in the I have a message from the profit and just put that at the beginning of the episode with zero context before the intro, maybe right after the intro as the transition so 08:42 Yeah, so coney's doing weird like it's a call. It's definitely a cop and the people who follow him. He's got another one that's just like a big old southern car salesman kind of guy. I have a message from the profit yeah, and I'm down here to sell you this Ugandan government's trying to take. You know, I could put you in a new today on this night. This we got to get in that rav for 09:10 and so there's an interview for me. I'm a son. You join in the Lord's Resistance Army. Are you built for tough? Are you built Lord? Are you built Lord? Oh, that's built Lord tough. That's incredible. We could sell that in any Christian bookstore, Caruso official built Lord tough. 09:38 so there's a interview from I believe the nineties or early two thousands with one of his soldiers and they're asking them about coney and they say so it so is he God and he's like no he's not God, but he's got three spirits living within him and they're like oh so so can he die and he was they were like no he can't die only one of those spirits can and then the other two agree with all show 10:07 Oh shoot, he killed him. 10:17 I love that one of his inner voices sounds like the puppet from Mr Rogers, the King. I haven't seen the game. You haven't seen the King, not seen the King. Did you watch as a Rogers Gornal? That's why you can't have an intimate vulnerable relationship with people around you. Yeah, that's my parents said you can't watch it. They're like that'll make you soft. 10:41 I was only allowed to watch Fear Factor. 10:46 and a thousand ways to die. Gotta make sure this kid scared. It's only allowed to watch spike tv. 10:55 and so they asked them. They asked them if he could die and they said no he can't die and the guy the guy interviewing him says. So if I walked over and I shot him right now, the guy was like he wouldn't die. No, he wouldn't die. Okay, okay, and so they believed he was like this immortal prophet that was coming to save them and deliver them from the tyrannical is in the nineties. Yeah, this started in eighty seven and so they they are an actual rebel like rebel group through this this era. 11:24 and there's no ways to mince words around it. He was a terrible, terrible. Sure leader. Leader of this, this, this group. There's a long list of crimes that he committed. Lots of violence, lots of murders, lots of death. Probably the most brutal thing that he was known for is he would kidnap kids in the middle of the night. And then he would make them kill their parents. So that way they had, they, he was their only source of life. 11:53 and so he would take them, conscript them into his army. If they were male, if they were women, then make them go back and kill their parents, yeah, and make them kill their parents. So that way they would rely on them. And then if there was ever any issues, he would always have these are kids. He would turn them against each other. And so if one of the kids was became a problem, he'd make the kids kill the other kids. And so very violent, very, very evil, very bad person. Yeah, and was a female. What happened? Oh, I mean he took them into 12:23 slavery got you and so the his regime was a terrible regime and caused a lot of damage to a lot of people. How big is it? His army yeah, I don't know how big it was in its height. Let's see this as as of two thousand and six. There was forty two children in his army. I don't know 12:44 That's what I'm saying. It was okay over the course of the years, sixty six thousand children became soldiers. Okay, that's what I was saying. That was from six hours from forty two. That was from eighty seven to two thousand nine okay yeah. So in two thousand six it clearly was not at probably the height of its operation. You know what was like the yeah yeah, so yeah it's it's gone up and down over over the years. Sure, then we need to enter in another important person to into the story. A guy by the name of Jason Russell, 13:14 Here he is Jason Russell. Yes, Jason Russell is a guy who has been through every version of celebrity pastor that first picture is what I recognize. Oh, did he go to homesteader here at the end? It's incredible. It genuinely is incredible. Every celebrity pastor style like sense of style. He's had all of them. I don't know how he pulled 13:44 I mean, he's clearly got his inspiration from one place to be this group. But he was an aspiring filmmaker. He lived in San Diego, went to film school, graduated film school in the early 2000s and was looking, him and his friends were looking for an opportunity to shoot a documentary. Here they are, here's their little crew of filmmakers. And so they said, okay, we want to make a documentary. 14:13 what are we gonna make a documentary about? We gotta make a story. And so they start traveling, they start doing like missions work globally in an attempt to find a story to make a documentary about. So they end up in Uganda and they hear about this story. They meet a kid who was taken into the Lord's Resistance Army and the kid tells Jason his story. Him and his brother were taken into the army, they were forced to kill their parents. 14:38 His brother was actually killed in front of him by the army because his brother tried to escape and told him this whole story, terrible story. And that like changed Jason's life. Jason, there's a video of Jason saying, if this happened in America, it'd be on the cover of Newsweek. Like this could never happen in the United States, but because it's happening here, no one knows about it. And so he commits his life to like solving this problem. And so, 15:08 he starts an organization called Invisible Children because that and it's named that because he felt like all these kids were invisible to the west like they had no idea the struggle that they were going through and so they start making documentaries. So they released a documentary kind of chronicling everything that they've seen that they saw on that trip. There's some questionable moments in that documentary yeah, but he's holding a bazooka right yeah well the what's 15:36 what's rough about this, this moment is this is the LRA. They visited an LRA camp and they're like you guys want to hold the guns, you're like yeah, that be sick. It should be like if you were doing a expose on the police and then they were like you know we go. You want to turn the sirens on honestly. I always wanted to do that. You're like oh as a man. You know I love this. Let's pull some Tasm 16:05 that stays up and you get lost in the yeah yeah and so this organization really what they did is they started a non profit and the non profit was for awareness. They weren't going to go do humanitarian aid. They weren't going to do anything because they felt like like we can't stop coney like the United States and military has to stop yeah and so they immediately they went back and they went and they put we can't stop them. I mean now we're friends 16:30 you know it'd be awkward. It'd be weird to be like I think also also you stop doing that chill. If you quit be pretty cool. If you stop doing that and so chisel is two thousand yeah. They actually went to Washington and we're you're doing all this. This is really two thousand like two thousand five to that six they're meeting with fo shizzle for real. They're meeting with congressman 16:55 and women in Washington and talking progressive of you, but with the congresswoman did not exist. They're meeting with them and they're telling them this story and they're meeting with condolence, a right and they're they're all shooting them down. They're like look yeah, they're like in we're not the military is not going to get involved in something that does not have anything to do with any of our political or financial interests as a nation like it's just not going to happen. Yeah, we're not 17:22 and that is like a tough thing about it's like we're not the world's hall monitors, you know, and so they they I don't know if they got this from someone in the government or a lawyer or counselor. If they just thought this, so was that the idea that they had people to call pretty much they're like. If you make this a big enough deal for the American people, then maybe we'll respond and do something about it. So they started an awareness campaign and so they they kept going back and kept filming these documentaries. 17:52 to bring awareness. so they could keep going back and making more documentaries. then the government takes action. the first spike for them was 2008. And in this documentary, 18:21 it opens there in a gym, a high school gym and they had just finished by the set was they just finished one of their assemblies telling the story and the kids a kid raises his hand. He's like he's like this is all good Jason, but like what are you going to do about this? How are you going to stop a war and the three of them turn around and they this is all good Jason, but how do you think a person like yourself? 18:49 strong, independent, entrepreneurial man who's handsome and stylish up with the current trends. Is this necessary? Do I have to say all this? How are you going to stop this? 19:05 And he's like, there's keep re. Oh, sorry. And your mom. 19:14 it was two thousand six. It's the kid real, I know the kid looks at him like what the are you serious? Did this to me, your mom joke in the middle of this, you cut that out heck, man, so the three of them him and his filmmaker friends in this video. I hope this one turn around choice. 19:54 the kids do. I look like Mr. Rachel today. My you for this hoodie for a lot of up. I know here's the thing. I'm still on the road. That's so yeah, that's true. I remember last time we shot an episode yeah, you went home that night. Yeah, imagine me not doing that. I haven't been home in a week, not doing that. Yeah, that's why you're so 20:18 so edgy. That's why I'm so mad dude. I'm literally in my own bed eight times this month. Well, this is a good episode for that. Then there's a there's a warning at the end of this episode here, the ravelin about my own bed. There's a warning at the end of this not about your own bed, but about your schedule. I do 20:35 okay, so the documentary opens on a school. So are we talking about the thirty minute thing that came out? No, no, no, no, no, okay, we're talking about this in two thousand and eight. It is in two thousand eight. There's a video it opens with their doing a school assembly. A kid goes, that's all great, but how do you plan on stopping this and they all three turn around over the camera? Yeah, and I'll go great question. Yeah, the one of the guys says to them he's like he's like that's actually a really good point. Like how are we going to stop the war and Jason the guy we saw turns around and goes 21:03 only you can prevent child war. No better. He says he's the same thing. We always do dance and it's basically high school musical. They do a dance number with a song that they wrote 21:21 wait and it's it's I actually school musical. I didn't know about and like like this lyric. We're on a mission to put you gonda deep inside your mind and so the idea was this good is such a it's very high school musicals. It's like on a mission not that high school musical, but like we're on a mission to put 21:49 Uganda deep inside your most to that it's close to they do the overhead claps. They have a full dance number like this is like highly produced. In fact, this is very first in a viral video. This wasn't their first attempt. This was like their fifth. This is one of their attempts at a viral video and it didn't go viral. It went semi route nothing to what is going to happen later, but it right. It did pop off 22:16 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 22:27 We do monthly hangouts. We do. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 23:00 I guess I should probably go study the two thousand twelve video and be like. Why did this hit so hard? Oh, it's clear it's okay clear, but the director of this video. This is my favorite part of this whole story is a college friends is a college friend of his. They went to school with this guy. I don't know if you know the name. I don't know if you know the name John M Chu. I don't know if you know that name. He's direct on the wicked director. Yes, 23:30 and also step up to step up three into the high, the rich Asians like same guy, same guy directed that and so those screenshots are pretty rough, but like it's actually like a really well produced. The song is incredibly catchy. Yeah, same thing. We always do dance and then it's them on a treadmills like five different treadmills 23:54 but yeah Jason, Jason is like close friends with John Chu. He actually officiated his wedding, which is wild, but well that makes me look different on people, but yeah he directed that film and so that film. Here's the thing. Here's the thing we got to recognize a little weird when you figure what they're trying to bring awareness to, but also this is two thousand and eight. This is the height of high school musical musicals were kind of 24:19 in a moment for a second there, especially high school style musicals. Yeah, this is also flash mob era. Yes, so like this was it was a good strategy, yeah and and it worked pretty well. Like it brought a lot of awareness. It brought some we make one of that stuff now, but that is what like worked online at that time. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like that conversation we had where I was making fun of alien in patron hang out 24:47 and who said it was it chunk light? Yeah said oh it you think it's cheesy, but at the time it wasn't cheesy like that's how everything that's cheesy works like yeah. You think it's cheesy looking back by the time it was cheesy. I'll tell you what's always been cheesy. It was what be referring to people by their discord user name. I watched part of the video of freaking 25:09 the years, youtuber goes by coffee, zilla yeah and he did the whole take down of the hawk to a coin and they're in the twitter space yeah and they're talking to each other about like you know hey, you might have just scammed millions of dollars from these investors. I would have to say for yourself and they're referring to each other by their freaking user names. When they're talking about millions of dollars on a scam, well cox each other, well doc neighbor, well and I'm like what is 25:40 how do we branding its branding? It's also it's also you don't want to dox them, especially for like twit streamers like what I mean docks them twist streamers. The people are calling the SWAT team on them like they've got to be careful with their real identities and stuff like that. That's why I haven't gone by my real name for years. 26:04 it's a thing. It's a thing that they they're really careful about it. They're really careful. Have you seen that video of kai where the guy? Who was it? It was the guy that does the does that game where you get the picture and you have to try to guess where it is geoguesser, geoguesser guy. They had him on stream, but he was like on the phone yeah and they were like see if you can guess where we are and all he had was the studio they were in and he figured it out. He started saying the coordinates to him and kai took the phone and just threw a card like smash it against the wall. I don't know who kai is 26:33 kai sannat or senates not. You don't know who that is. He's like one of the biggest streamers right now yeah, but that's also fake. You think so? Yes, because I've actually been talking about to my wife about how we can make her that probably is a bit. Yes, yeah, the stuff we could do to make my wife go viral as a twitch streamer is yeah. I mean, I guess that that would make more sense that that was a bit. I never even thought about that because yeah, the head, you don't even think about that. Well, no, I have thought about it. Who's a little 27:02 who's a little miss. He had Mr. Beast on your little Goblin aren't you Mr. Be a little Goblin on his studio on fire. Our streams from on fire, but they just build. They just don't build a set and catch a set and cut on fire. Yeah and I knew that I immediately knew that the phone smash thing. I was like for some reason I was just like oh that's real because it was smaller. It was smaller. Come interesting. That's a good point. You got got yeah. I got got so 27:31 anyways, so here's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to put your ganda in your mind yeah and so this this this was a decent success like yeah, a handful of celebrities found out about it sure. They started like promoting it. They got a decent influx of donors yeah and and there was more awareness, but it wasn't like donating to do what though to spread the word yeah. That's the idea. The idea is 28:01 enough people are going to find out about this. The government's going to take action for you to yeah be louder about this. Well in two thousand eight barack obama finds out about this and obama grants it and so he says we're going to send a hundred military advisors. They're going to train the ugandan military and give them tactics and plans and tell them what to do. They're not going to fight themselves, but they're going to basically be life coaches. 28:28 for the you can we're going to send some war coaches over so yeah. So they set the military over and spoiler alert. It was kind of a disaster yeah. They the military coached them. The Ugandan military went out to try to track them down, never managed to track them down, but a lot of civilians got caught in the car, but a lot of those you gone in military people came back and they were just like. I think we got caught in a time slip 28:57 We saw a small town that smelled like rotten pigs. 29:05 we heard the bell tower, there's a bell and just stop tolling. It was so weird yeah thinking of speaking of weird things that you see now it's two thousand and twelve. So you know weird things that you seen. What do you think about this? These new jersey drones, the one have you heard of this? No, I can't believe you haven't heard of this. Alex. Have you heard of this? Would you guys just live in a rocks or no? I heard of Jersey Mike's 29:37 This is New Jersey drones right now in New Jersey, in one of the suburbs of Philadelphia. So that end of New Jersey. There has been for about two weeks now, every single night, about a thousand sightings of these drones that they say are like car-sized drones. And what they're doing is they are like strafing. So they're going over and they're stopping, and then they're going back, and then they're going over, and then they're, and it's almost like they're like scanning or mapping something. 30:07 They're about the size of a small car, is what everyone says. Thousands of these reports are coming in every single night for the last two weeks. Any videos? We do have videos of them. They look, they have the flashing indicator lights. They're not like the four roto-copter drones. They look almost more like little airplanes. And they're going, they're strafing back and forth. The governor has been kind of raging about it because the government, like the federal government, hasn't been taking... 30:36 much like attention to this. What? So the White House addressed it yesterday. And the White House is like, hey, we don't know what these are. They're not ours. And they're not any of our adversaries. We don't know where they're coming from. But we don't think that they pose a threat to the public. 30:56 I can't believe you haven't heard of this. 31:00 Yeah, have you not? A congressman yesterday, I'm excited to tell you this, I'm really excited. 31:18 know a congressman yesterday said that it's Iran. Iran built a mothership and they have it what over the Atlantic Ocean and they're leaking these out every night. They're coming out of the mothership and and he's like it's Iran. The White House was asked in their press briefing and they're like yeah. He has no idea what he's talking about. That's what they said. They're like it's not Iran. They literally were like Iran is not even close to being able to do something like that. Yeah, I think it's definitely not I ran after what we did to him. 31:47 but yeah, they we have no idea what they are. A lot of people are saying they're aliens. There's a lot of there's a lot of the videos that you see that are kind of bogus. A lot of the videos you see of people who say they seeing them are like seeing planes that are like flying really high, but they're legitimate. They're legitimately are at least some of these that are genuine and being spotted and they're just like hovering over and they're hovering pretty low and no one knows what they are. It's very strange. This feels a lot like the balloon a couple years right now in the midwest. 32:15 well, that's kind of that's one of the things that people have been saying like like they're doing over New Jersey down some I tried in Montana. See what happens yeah. They shoot at him. Well, there are a legend and I don't know if these are legit, but I have seen videos of like f six teens like chasing them and there is one video where it's in the distance. It's hard to say whether or not it's legitimate or not. It's in the distance. There's the two f sixteen there's the drone and there is an explosion in the air and so 32:42 I don't know if they've actually shot one of these down. If that was legitimate or not, the government hasn't announced that they've done that, but that's crazy. It's a time this comes out. You'll know we know what it was. We know it attic the whole time. We know that it was the aliens. This was their first step in the well. I mean by the time it when does this come out January? This is coming out in February. It's so really yeah. This comes out February fourth and we're shooting this December twelve 33:07 so wow, time way behind yeah. We're way behind the times yeah, so you're going to you're probably listening to us talk about this and you're like those idiots and hey, the chiefs are in the Super Bowl, huh? 33:22 crazy again, most likely crazy and that last play, huh? You know, that crazy oh and that call of the end. I know I can't believe it either crazy. What do you think is going to be chief lines, chiefs, eagles, 33:40 I think it's chiefs all the way baby. Well, who's the other one chiefs? I think that's what's going to happen. I think they get so bored that there's like why don't you guys play yourselves all right? Don't you play yourself and the chiefs are like okay, just play second. He arson wins wins. What thoughts? What's crazy good? I don't know man, game and wins anyway. You win some, you lose some, you know so 34:09 the White House is like oh yeah, this pro program didn't work right. We try to train them. They didn't do it yeah and a lot of civilians got caught in the crossfire and so the White House quietly pulls their troops away quietly files away that they ever did that and they were like we weren't involved in that and invisible children keeps calling and it's like hey you guys were really close. You got to keep you can't stop like you got to keep going and like no we tried it. It didn't work. We're not going to do it again. Yeah, we never did that yeah. 34:36 they're like they're like we don't know what you're talking about yeah and they're like honestly, if you keep talking about that, you're not going to know what you're talking about either. Did you turn on vanish mode on our phone call all right, because I know I know that you did that and also why is my contact Mariah carry in your phone? That's how his tie is tied. He's like he's like listen here. I know you did that. I know that was you so for 35:06 three years after the thing, they are still trying to do this because they're like, okay, we were close, we gotta get them back. We gotta get the US government back over there because they need to finish Kony. And so they put together their documentary, Kony 2012. And so the plan here was, hey, 2012, an election year, a year where everyone's arguing, where there's a lot of division, we need something we can unite over, and that's taking down Joseph Kony. And so they put together a documentary. 35:35 It was a 30 minute documentary. And it was a tearjerker. They're trying to pull out your heartstrings, Questionably though, Jason and his son are definitely More so his son, which is a little odd, 36:02 which is a strange way to start a video that has never been. You're living in Uganda, this kid might kill me. Basically, that's like basically the whole point. There's a scene where his son, who's no older than six, probably younger than six, he shows him a picture of Kony and he's like, you know who this is? And then he tells him, he's like, this man kidnaps kids and he makes them kill their parents. And his kid, a six-year-old, is looking at him like, oh, so he's a bad guy? And like... 36:31 why don't the good guys stop on the right? Give us a six or hey look this guy makes this kids kill his parents and he goes 36:40 you can do that. Oh he wants me to kill my mom, your mom yeah, and so he and then he slides him a picture of as he doing this like a detective yeah, I'm a picture. I think the kids name was Jacob. If I remember it, I could be wrong. I don't remember for sure, but this is the first kid that he talked to 37:06 Jason did when he was out there. And the kid who's like, yeah, I watched my brother die in front of me. And they became like family friends. Like he was the kid they would always visit when they came out there. They flew him out to the States a couple of times. Like, so his son knew him and he's like, oh yeah, so this is our friend. And then this guy is hurting our friend and like showing him on the pictures on screen. And so it's this 30 minute documentary film and the film ends. 37:33 with this call to action basically of okay, you can go to this website and you can order your coney 2012 kit and in april this came out march eighth 2012 and in april i think it was four twenty overnight we're gonna everyone's gonna go to bed and we're gonna stay out all night and we're gonna use our kids which are the town yeah are full of these posters and we're gonna make coney famous because there's a scene in that documentary where one of the locals says if coney was famous in the west 38:03 then he would not have the power he has. The West doesn't know about him, and so Kony doesn't, is, is, is able to do everything he does. And so he's like, we're going to make Kony famous, is the whole point of the documentary. And so you get your kit, you put on your shirts, and then they're going to go paper the town with these things. You're going to wear your bracelets, you're going to put on the, you're going to put the stuff on the, on all the buildings and stuff like that. And everyone's going to know who Kony is. 38:31 right. So they put this out on YouTube and it's important to remember. This is 2012. This is YouTube before the algorithm. This is YouTube in a very early state of YouTube. A lot of the videos were like word of mouth. You're manually sharing them. Facebook was still like the main platform and so over the first night it does pretty well, but not like huge. I think it was like six hundred thousand right somehow 38:58 that next day, it was March fifth when it came out and it was on the graphic. You just showed yeah okay, March fifth, so on the neck the next day somehow Oprah sees it and so Oprah tweets it and tweets the link to it. By that evening, it has nine million views. Yeah, by the end of the week, it has a hundred million views right. It is at that time the most viral video of all time right. There was there was never anything that had done anything anywhere remotely similar to that level right viral. So is Oprah 39:29 yeah Oprah, Oprah tweeted it big. Oh, if you see this 39:35 we need you to help us get the podcast and that's interesting. I think there's a there's a good point and so they said in the video that their plan, their strategy and this and this was twenty twelve so this was right twenty twelve pretty ground breaking to have this strategy. Nowadays everyone and their mom would have this strategy but the strategy was they were going to put together twelve. They called them twelve culture makers and twelve 40:03 policymakers and they were going to use the influence of those of those culture makers to influence the policy makers to take action. So the culture makers, here's a handful of them just to kind of give you a list of who they were targeting. They actually showed these people in the video. Like here's the people we're targeting. And so if you follow them or have any connection to them, share this with them so that way they get the word of them. So Oprah was like number one on the list. And so... 40:30 I believe the way it happened is all of Oprah's fans. Some of our fans saw this and they kept retweeting and tagging her and they're like Oprah. Watch this, watch this, watch this, just like fine and so which wouldn't work on me by the way. I need you to know that right now. If anybody try if you like a hundred people suddenly just sent me some video yeah. There's no way I'm going to repost it just so you know. 40:51 so the list of people that they I don't care if it's a literal video of how to cure cancer. It's like somehow I got put out on the stem feed on tick tock. All right, I'm not retweeting that listen to this list of taste makers, Oprah, Justin Bieber, obviously two thousand twelve, we guess. Oh, I was going to say that's who I was going to get. That's going to guess Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, the answer is not on the list actually, which is kind of surprising. It's twelve people, so Oprah 41:20 Justin is actually a lot more than twelve people. They said twelve, but this is way more than twelve. I'm looking at this list. This is like twenty oh twenty taste makers, twelve policy makers got it. Okay, I'm going twenty twelve. Yeah, that's the plan and so the other taste makers on the list, Angelina, Jolie, Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, Rihanna and then here's where as Bono's on it. Yeah, here's where the list gets all really, really fun. I'm excited about the rest of this list, Tim Tebow, 41:48 Oh man, two thousand and twelve was a fever dream. Oh my gosh, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, I love this group, so they were like this. This group of people, oh Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, 42:12 yikes. So they're like this group rush limbaugh gets on the radio with a cigar right and he's like honestly. I don't even think that what you got is doing that bad. We should do it here, so I take out the kill in the parents party's raising young men to do good to have a purpose. Like if we get this group of people to put pressure on this group of people, they put them right in boss say about this. I want to know that's a good question. I need to look up 42:38 my grandma used to leave rush limba on the radio yeah, when she would leave her house, you're not listening to me right now. I'm listening to you because she would leave the radio on so that if someone broke in, they would hear the voice and think someone was home and it was rush limba and it was like is what does rush limba, rush limba's house, 43:00 but yeah, the policy makers that they were targeting were this guy's grandma dating rush. I think my friend's grand was dating rush limba. I don't know she's she's always talking to him in the bedroom, so the list of policy makers that they had yeah George Bush, Bill Clinton, Connolly, so rice, George W. W. W. John Carey, Mitt Romney and so like this group of people 43:28 John McCain, they were like like Rush Limbaugh is going to pressure George W Bush into taking action, which honestly yes could work would have worked Angelina, Jolie and Justin Bieber are going to make Bill Clinton take action in Uganda was the plan and honestly what they plan to do is what happened. Oprah found out about it retweeted it all these celebrities in this list. 43:55 found out about it and they all started retweeting. Well, yeah, because after one of them doesn't, it's kind of like how we can't be the guy who doesn't. Yeah, I can't be the one who's like I'm not going to say something about this only is like whoa he was you got an army of forty two kids. I have fifty three and so this goes mega viral. Everyone's talking about it. A lot of people by the kits and a lot of people are like why do I get him a kid? Yeah, a lot of people are sharing it online. One of the most 44:21 It's ironic you said this earlier, but one of the things you see people say all the time on Facebook when they're tagging this, they're like, it's pretty long, but if you've got the time to watch this video, you should. And honestly, after watching this video yesterday, like it's so clear why this worked so well in 2012. Like this is everything 2012 was. The songs are Mumford and Sungs, Mumford and Sungs, and then like the... 44:47 the bokeh effects and the transitions, everything is just so 2012 coded the whole time. This clearly crushed them. They knew exactly what they were doing and how to do it really well and it obviously worked very, very well. So this blows up, blows up and he all of a sudden is getting every major network is like, we want to interview you, we want to talk to you. And so he's getting pressed toward all over the place. He's flying between New York and LA three times a day. 45:16 like just boom boom boom boom boom taking the red eye going back. I'm not exaggerating. I know you're. I know you got that wink, but he genuinely is. He'll do an interview in L. A. Morning. He'll do an interview in L. A. In the morning, go do one in New York, flies back over the red eye, does another one. So I mean, I guess I guess in that second trip he's ending up overnight. I was like, oh, I think you know how much time it takes to get to L. A. Dude, so but he's not sleeping. The point is he's never sleeping. He's just 45:43 shimmying back and forth between places and doing these interviews and hi. At first, I am happy to be here on Nick at night, Rush Limbaugh, yeah, you know the video that is radio. He'd be like hi rush. I'm planning on keep my eyes closed for this. Is that okay? If I just close my eyes, is it cool if I sleep for this interview? How do we make this a conspiracy theory? 46:13 and so Alex Jones actually does talk about it on his podcast, how because he wanted in on it. Yeah, he was so mad. He wasn't mentioned as one of the exactly why not a case maker. You were twenty one on the list Alex. Yeah, you were so close, so close, so close, and so he's doing this press tour for four or five days and then all of a sudden the press pendulums back against him and so yeah 46:41 it changes from like oh my gosh, we got to stop coney to wait a second. Why are you capitalizing well? Well, what happens is they show this documentary in uganda and at the showing of it, there's press there filming them. They're like they're like look what we're doing like the press flew out. They showed the document like look what we're doing in you got it and all these people came to watch it and the people watching it like turned into a mob and they started throwing rocks at the screen. 47:09 and they were like, this is not accurate at all. And so then like the press started interviewing them and they're like, Coney's been gone for six years. Like he's not even in Uganda anymore. He's in the next country over. We pushed him out. And they were like, this is acting like stuff is happening here that's not happening here. It was a long time ago and it's probably happening in this other country he's at now, but it's not happening here. And they're acting like stuff is happening that's not true. And also, 47:37 who are you to get involved? Like this is our country. Like what do you think is going on here? Yeah and so people see this and then this is and I don't know for sure, but I have seen some commentators talk about this and they think that this is the moment when the white savior complex got defined. Yes, because when you look at those earlier pictures, there's like the one where he's standing in the you know exactly what I'm talking about, right? 48:03 yeah. It was we suji pulled that up yep. I was like that is the white savior photo and I mean if you watch the video, the whole video like and like honestly, if you go far enough back on some of our social media, you could you probably find it. I mean this you could see we were super involved in evangelical culture. This is like we went on missions trips and used kids as props yeah and that 48:28 That was that wasn't the intention in our brain for sure, but that's what that's what people would do. Yeah, and if you watch the if you watch the documentary to the documentary is definitely I mean they tell the story and I think that they were earnest. I think that they genuinely cared. I think they genuinely wanted to stop Coney and they genuinely cared about the kids, but if you watched the documentary, it very much felt like we're going to do it. Like there's moments where you act. They actually say like, oh, what if we die on this trip? 48:57 And they're like, well, at least this is what I'm remembered for. It's like, this is my memory. I don't think that's their intention, but that's what happened. and it kind of blows up in their face. 49:20 And so now he's still in this press tour. doing all these interviews. tell us how we can get involved, How much is going to your travel? 49:49 making a joke. This is a joke and he came out saying it was a joke and honestly if you watch the video it's very clear it's a joke but it's on camera of him. They won an award for one of their early documentaries and that award came with a million dollar donation to their charity. He's like thank you for a million dollars and in that video he's got his glasses on and they're tilted really awkward and he's got a bottle of vodka and he's like he's like he's like he's like I don't know if you know this he's like but we just won a million dollars and he's like he's like ninety thousand of that 50:17 we'll cover everything that we need to do the rest of it. I think you know what I'm going to do with it and it's like should it up with that video bro, like why did you just sound like the kid from wild thorn berries should have been a video bro. 50:40 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 51:08 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 51:40 poor taste and so they dug out that video. They're showing obvious everywhere. They're like hey, you're on no sleep. He's like hey, thanks for having me on the news and they're like great. Here's a video. Well, what do you think about that? Oh, I didn't know he did. I would love for that to be invisible. That this simple. Can we please tell George Bush to take that video away? 52:07 that is a doctored video and if you look at it closer, the shadows don't line up yeah and the there are rats yeah yeah in the video yeah so rats in the and further proof tim just doesn't listen when I talk and I was like there's RASMUSSY. Yep, there's a rastra process slowly and and here's the thing. This is today. I'm going to be honest with you. 52:37 this looking back on these interviews. This was bad, but how every interview is point. He's got to be mid thirties yeah, because I'm much older than we. This is this is him at the time. This is this is when Coney, twelve, not much older than we are, but here's the deal. He was from San Diego. He's got a San Diego accent. You know what that sounds like yeah he 53:02 You go back through his profile, he dresses like this. He was a theater kid, so he's very animated, the way he talks. where point blank, the people interviewing, there's rumors that you're gay. 53:32 that became in 2012 kind of a scandal about it, which is pretty crazy when you think about it because that's not that long ago, but it was like enough to like start to discredit. And he's like, no, he's like, I've heard the rumors. That's not true. He's like, my parents owned a children's theater troupe. I was a theater kid. I'm a little animated. I like to dye my hair blonde. I'm from San Diego. Yeah. 53:57 but it became a scandal. It became and so there was all these different things that were becoming like fairly big issues for invisible children. This is why you never try to make a change in the world kind of and so it all culminates in a moment where he's been doing this for about three weeks, taking red eye flights back and forth between L. A. And New York, they about halfway through that they turned and they started 54:23 turning on him and the public started turning on him. Facebook is turning on him and he's having to like defend himself in a public forum that he's never really been in. Like he has a hundred million views at that time. The whole world knows. Yeah, everyone's seen this. This is not like a hundred million views now. This is a different time. And so he can't go out in public. People are harassing him in public. And so they decide, the organization decides, hey, 54:50 You're going to take a staycation. You're going to stay home. You're not going to go anywhere. You're going to be in your house for a week. You're going to rest. You're going to spend time with your family so you can come back healthy and ready to continue working on this. Because right now, you can't keep doing what you're doing right now. So he goes on the staycation. And a couple days into the staycation, him and his son and his wife and, I think, his parents were there. They were watching the Lorax. And he recounts that while they're watching the Lorax, 55:20 In the middle of the movie, if you don't know what the Lorax is about, the Lorax, there's a corporation that's tearing down all the trees, and he's fighting back against this evil corporation. And in the middle of that movie, he recounts a moment where Danny DeVito turns from the screen and addresses him directly and says, hey, you need to stop, Joseph Kony. You can't, you're sitting around, you're waiting here, you need to go finish what you started. And so he has a psychotic break, is what this is. 55:50 and he stands up in the middle of this movie with his family at home, takes all of his clothes off, runs outside, and is running around outside his house, screaming profanities, slapping the pavement, butt naked, and someone captures a video of this, and they sell it to TMZ for $30,000, and TMZ puts it out. 56:13 and now it's a giant oh wow and so he the police come. They don't arrest him or anything. They take him to a hospital did not know this. Yeah isn't that crazy, so they check him in and a in a day, the veto to be clear in the middle of the lorax movie day, the veto goes Jason. You need to stop Joseph Coney. Yeah, yeah, 56:40 I mean he doesn't actually do that. It was just in Jason's brain, but that's what Jason remembers and then Jason was like you're right. Let me take off all my clothes and go outside and that's what happens. The police pick them up, they check them into a hospital and it's it's a bad experience in the hospital. He thinks that he thinks his clothes and a killing me from stop in Coney yeah and so it's a bad experience in the hospital. He thinks the nurses are trying to kill him. He's like wrestling everyone in the hospital. It's a very like he's there for weeks 57:10 and it's a very intense thing. Yeah, a full, full breakdown. Wow. This hits the press. It gets really nasty. They start making up a bunch of stuff about what he was doing outside. You could probably start to assume the fact that he's naked, and with the scandals that they already had about him, why he was doing that, and the motivations, and stuff like that. So it became a giant thing. And so this is all before that date where they were supposed to paint the towns. And so then, 57:38 He is in the mental hospital when the date rolls around and all these places all over the world had had forms and sign ups where you could sign up to be part of your local group that was going to do it and they all had like sixty thousand, a hundred thousand, fifty thousand people who were supposed to show up and put up these signs and stuff like this. Tons of people bought them, but the majority of them had fractions of what yeah signed up because now it's become kind of a. I remember that so I remember and this is funny because we were on 58:08 a it was state finals for our theater stuff that we were doing that weekend yeah, and so we were in Columbia, Missouri, which is a college town yeah, and there was a couple of people in our theater group who were very passionate about this yeah, but I I don't remember us even talking about hey, this guy's having a breakdown yeah yeah, you know yeah not. I don't think a lot of people knew about I mean and that's like the effects of social media in the internet yeah. 58:37 is like even if we assume his motivations are pure yeah. Let's just assume for a second. Let's put like let's just go for a second that his motivations were one hundred percent clean and pure. Yeah, the internet does what the internet does yep and that's crazy. Yeah, there's a I think it was a Ted talk as a speech online. I think it was a Ted talk, but where he kind of recounts the whole story and then he talks about it and he says he says I'm not exaggerating when I say I was getting ten texts a minute of yeah like 59:06 and that was when Twitter would text you and so of just people just like berating him yeah and my con his family in a question calling his motivations in the question. I remember so like earlier this year. The beginning of this year is when we put up that that cat ramp on our back porch yeah yeah and so we posted a video that video got a hundred and fifty million views, which is just different from a hundred million views back then right, but it's still a lot of you still a lot yeah and the the amount of comments that we got about how 59:35 we're torturing our cat and we're you know, we're terrible people for for. You know, if why are you torturing this animal by keeping it locked in your house? All this stuff? I remember a moment, you know, probably two weeks after the video had had been circulating where, you know, I was in the kitchen with ray and we were just kind of like a little like in each other's way or whatever and I said hey, you've been reading the comment section on that video yeah and she was like yeah, because I would hear her. I would hear it playing in the other room. Yeah, I would hear the beginning of that video 01:00:04 and it was just like a hey, just us reading those comments has made it really tense in this house and like we're just getting edgy with each other, yeah, and so I think we just need to not stop reading us. You know because obviously we care about our pets. We care about our we're not bad. Why you did it? We're not yeah yeah, but like we're reading thousands of comments and that was just over like literally 01:00:27 something pretty done really nothing. It's literally nothing yeah yeah yeah we're not trying to stop a warmonger guy in Uganda yeah yeah yeah yeah so I can't you know I can't imagine the hate yeah from Missouri that that guy for real though yeah obviously it got really bad. The internet has this full on breakdown and it's just bombarding. 01:00:50 Oh yeah, and they were questions like somebody for sure questions of like the financial motivations, questions of his sexuality, questions of like the white save a bit of it. You couldn't it picked apart yeah every single part of him was getting thrown away and like that's what's crazy is like at this point they had been doing this for like ten years yeah, and so it's like he's committed a great portion of his life to trying to solve this problem and yeah and it's totally blowing up in his and then to have it 01:01:19 three weeks. This is all unravelling yes, yeah and so he's he's in the hospital when this overnight thing happens and a fraction of everyone who said they were going to show up shows up, but a bunch people do show up and they start putting these signs up. On the other hand, a bunch of people show up and they saw it as an opportunity to just vandalize and so a bunch of people went out with spray paint and actual paint and started writing Coney 2012 on stuff and breaking things and it turned into like this 01:01:49 mass vandalism event more than it was like a put the poster up. It was a I'm going to spray paint something because I can. And so that that event was even more of a scandal. And all of that kind of culminated in a moment where everyone was almost ashamed to have been involved in it. Because it it it brought a lot of awareness. It did make Coney famous but at the end of the day the government was like I'm still not sending any troops out there. 01:02:18 and it kind of crippled, there's an irony to it. Invisible Children got like kind of crippled in scandal, but they did bring in $27 million in donations. So they were able to make a lot more documentaries because it's really all they were doing. They pivoted after this, they had Jason step down, and so Jason stepped down, Invisible Children pivoted to doing some more grassroots stuff, and so they started, they built a radio network 01:02:48 at the front lines of the war. The radio network was basically a first alert system, where it's like, hey, he's on the move over here, hide your children and get away from what's happening here. They set up a training system for some of their soldiers and all this different stuff. So they started doing some more actual on the ground grassroots things. But at the end of the day, Coney is still out there today. He's still alive today and he's still operating. 01:03:18 How many did they have in his arm right now? I don't know where right now. I don't know where estimates are right now. They think he's in Sedan right now, but they don't know for sure he's been kind of on the run ever since twenty twelve right, because now he's famous and now a bunch of people. I shouldn't say a bunch of people. There have been some events where like mercenary types have gone out and try to track him down like lone wolf style, but there hasn't been a government that has latched onto this to respond 01:03:50 the interest two more really interesting things that have happened out of this one. The International Criminal Court was established. I believe in the nineties Joseph Coney was the first person on their list that they wanted to get for crimes against humanity. The lead prosecutor in over the whole criminal court thing, the International Criminal Court, he he put together a plan on how he was going to get him and his plan 01:04:19 and this is a plan that wasn't just like a I have this. I put a kid with a rope around his waist and then he's going to have two adults saying so and that kids is going to be like. I love you mom and dad. As soon as coney pops his little head out of the woods, he's going to yank the kid back and they're going to get him kind of close honestly in terms of like strategy. 01:04:40 this and I should be clear. This wasn't like an idea he had. This was something he fleshed out. This was something he planned. He had conversations with all of the individuals in these children. Yeah, that when they got took, they were in kill Coney close. It's not close at all. So what he was going to do is he was going to work with Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie was going to slide into Joseph Coney's DMS and say hey Brad and I would love to get your dinner with you and I'm dead serious. 01:05:08 Brad and I would love to get dinner with you were flying out tomorrow and so they would fly out and they would be bait for Coney and so Coney would get dinner with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie and then the International Criminal Court would come in through the back door and arrest him. So they have to have dinner with the guy. Yeah 01:05:30 and this was a thing that Angelina, Jolie and Brad Pitt flew, flew across the ocean agreed to and met with this guy and how were a part of this plan and after this all came out, they met with him, they met with him and Angelina Jolie in an interview on the red carpet when this came out. She was like was kind of cool. She was like she's like I would love to be used as bait to get Coney. She said that she said that on a red carpet interview when it came out that that was the plan and when 01:05:57 when that fell apart and they realized that wasn't going to work. The second plan that he came up with was using George Clooney, but we say we wait. They went through with it though they did have dinner with Coney. They didn't have dinner. They flew over to the and they had dinner with the International Criminal Court. I was like what do you yeah, so they didn't actually have the dinner yet. I have the but they I thought you were like yeah. They had dinner with Coney and then like something fell apart like the back door was like back to a slap. 01:06:19 and like and then they kept song to they were at dinner. I was like I guess we'll get dessert again at dinner and Brad texted him and he said a board a board a board. This guy's really cool. We want to be like a lot. We actually like we love. They really like this. That's why they divorce bro is because Brad Pitt fell in love with Joseph Coney. Did you know that I bet you didn't know that left Angelina Jolie for Joseph Coney. Put that on the news 01:06:48 not enough people talk about that. I don't know people talk about. I don't have people know that, but yeah when when that fell apart that he was like this guy's kind of hot this guy's kind of hot dude. When that didn't work, the international criminal well, it's not. I'm not in love with Joseph Coney. I don't want to make see my not a fan. I'm in love with one of the personalities that resides inside Joseph Coney. She's pretty cool 01:07:16 it's the profit, the profit lives forever. The profit will never die. No, but when that didn't work out, the international criminal court came up with a second plan. The second plan was george cluny. I guess george cluny built a satellite in the early twenty tens and was you was like letting other governments use it to spy on nations and this is a real thing. 01:07:41 and so I was Matt Damon. They were just going to go through the Oceans Eleven cast. They were like which one will do it, but George Clooney said his satellite wasn't powerful enough for that, which is interesting. The lie yeah. That's what you say when you don't want to go. Yeah, that's why when someone was like hey, what you were coming to my Christmas party, I'm like yeah, what's your address and like? Oh, it's this and I go all I'll look it up on maps yeah and I go oh sorry maps can't find it. My satellite's not strong 01:08:12 I didn't pay for premium satellite. I don't have satellite premium. We still recording right now. Yeah, we are more time we got. I would. I'm trying to get through everything. Why do you keep asking sorry ring ring ring ring? Hello yeah. Oh my God, I hate this guy. This guy stinks come back 01:08:40 I know you're on the phone. It doesn't, come back. He's over here going, come on, just in case you do the thing. He doesn't, there's no phone. I want to be clear that when I do this, I'm not saying, oh, he's holding, he's got his hand like this. I don't know what he's doing and he's going like this. He's pretending, oh my gosh. Come back over here. Yeah. 01:09:10 Yeah. 01:09:16 cool. You're the worst. Well, I know I hope I never forget you. 01:09:22 I hope I never forget you to the Allstate Salesman. It's a crazy way to go. 01:09:29 No, so a guy by the name, a guy whose name rhymes with Harley Mean Steam reached out Kanye West and he was like he's like hey, I'd like to change the rules. Harvey Weinstein reached out to him yeah, reached out to a Coney, no to Jason, oh when this was like first came out and he was I was like hey, what's the what's the award show for movies? 01:09:56 Oscars, the Tonys, no Tonys, Oscar's Oscars, Golden, yes Oscar. I always mix them up Oscars. He's like he's like he's like hey, I want to change. I'm going to change the rules for Oscars. That way you guys qualify this year because he was so moved by Oscars or the movies Golden Globes or TV. Tony is Broadway, music, holes and then an emi is TV news, Emmys or news right Golden Globes. Oh shoot 01:10:26 I'm all mixed up right now. Yeah, I can't tell you me calling love anyway, but so they're basically whatever he had control over. He's like we're changing the rules so that way you can get one of them this year for your play for your video for your YouTube video and then once you turn into a Broadway musical, you can get the Tony and eventually a pride. Promise you Jason. I know you had a mental breakdown. You got naked in your front yard and also pull that picture back up with him naked in his front yard again. Yeah, hold on 01:10:54 this is a pretty nice house, so we know that you already are financially set for life because of this man, but we're going to make sure you get an e got it. He got a way. I was one of each of them golden globe yeah Oscar and a Tony Oscar. Did we say Oscar? Yep, what's the music one? I that's why I was trying to figure. I think that might be golden globe. No, it's no 01:11:19 Grammy, that's what I'm thinking. We keep saying Golden Globes were stupid. Yeah Golden Globes, the old Grammy. That's what I was thinking of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I was like when we got to Amy, I was like no, the music one is a Grammy. Yeah, interesting but yeah, so doesn't make sense because the Grammy should be for the old. That's what I call my grandma. They should yeah. They should think about in using that should be music. That's what I call him and him 01:11:49 Yeah, so the ring ring today. Oh no, sorry, no, I'm busy. Hey, I'm not done yet. This is this is another important thing that we need to cover. We've been doing this for a long time and we need to hurry up and read this Germany invade France in what year 01:12:16 all right. That's wrong. Did you just get a call from you in the past in our episode where is doing the ring ring? Hello oh they hung up probably a phone sales salesman yeah. Tried to sell me a phone. I didn't realize I had a phone when he called on someone's calling me ring ring 01:12:35 I hate this bit so much. This is the way it's so hard to do the code. I can't move around and my pinkies in the way on this phone. Also, I hate you finish the episode. Okay, I'm trying you just keep doing whatever this phone bit when I do bits you got to push through. I try I'm trying okay, so ring ring keep go go go. You do you know though 01:13:03 wrap up the show. I'm tired of being here I'm against. I'm held here against my will. Okay, does the does the name per go. Here's the good thing about Evgeny, Victor Avich, Pergo, Per Pergo, Gojan. Yeah. Does that name mean anything to you? Yes, but I don't remember why 01:13:29 So that you might remember him. He was the military leader of the Wagner group, which was like a or I guess Wagner group is what they say. Yes, because then they just did the the whole. Yes, yeah, they just to do a coup to overthrow the Russian government and that got put down and he was put to death because of it. Well, died in a plane crash, but yeah the they were this is like a contract military group. Yes, that the Russian yeah, the Russian Millet 01:13:58 I guess I should just say the Kremlin was like hey, we're going to let you kind of come kind of like Apple where Apple was like hey, we're going to put the two teams against each other and whichever one does better is going to get to release their product. Then when everyone loses, we're going to kill in a plane crash. Yeah, that's that's what the Wagner group got to be with the Russian military in Ukraine. They didn't like the decisions that the Kremlin was making, so they tried to overthrow Putin last year and it ended in him dying in a plane crash. 01:14:26 And then obviously that group was expelled from the war. And so they're like, what are we going to do now? And they decided they're going to go get Kony. So now that group is in South Sudan trying to find Kony. And so they're running through the jungle, chasing him down. So they might, so far out of anyone who's tried, they're the most organized group who's gone in there with like actual military force to try to stop him. 01:14:55 so there's a chance that they might actually succeed at catching coney all these years later, twelve years after coney twenty twelve, so pretty soon we might be saying coney twenty twenty four and because that's the year he died. If it happens in the next couple days, yeah, I was going to say this. It was or comes out in twenty twenty five, so I be saying cut in twenty twenty five as your death, unless we might be saying twenty twenty twenty five. That's what you just said play it back. I be saying cut in twenty twenty five twenty, twenty five. That's what I said 01:15:25 No, you said twenty, twenty, twenty five, twenty, twenty, twenty five, go to twenty, twenty five. Here's the good thing about all this. Yeah, is that time the internet like we'll always have a main character. Yeah, there's always a main character of the day on the internet yeah and some people really stretch that fifteen minutes out. You know, really kind of make their whole thing or whatever, but we you will always be forgotten. 01:15:48 always always always be forgotten. So if you're ever the target of some cyber bullying or you have a weird interaction online and you're like oh, I feel really weird about that and this person probably thinks about it. They don't we literally like Jason. What was his last name exactly? We don't remember it. He ran naked in his front yard and was on TMZ and so that's what I'm saying is that like there, the time will weather that out yeah yeah. 01:16:16 Yeah, I'm just saying that before my video gets leaked. I'm letting you know that just give me ten years. I'll be back doing a podcast. All right, yeah, yeah, that's you're. You're absolutely right. I mean he's turned. I shouldn't say turned his life around like he had his his incident, but since then, like he obviously left his role in an invisible children, but he's just kind of moved on. I think he works in like marketing now, which 01:16:45 I think is probably going pretty well. Like he clearly knows a lot about marketing right and and I and I think I worked with the Coney, 2020, twelve team and they're like really? That was a whole disaster. The founder of that company. He's a yeah, it was crazy. It was wild. It was a lot of that guy's back porch. I had to put him down. Yeah, I mean of course he's working in marketing and he's like yeah. I just I did. I worked on the Coney, twenty twelve team and I got rid of the guy. I'm like yeah, yeah, look like him. No 01:17:13 No, no, that's rude that you say that yeah, because that guy's pretty ugly. I hated him. That guy didn't have a beard. Look at look at my beard. Yeah, I look like the boyfriend, the existing boyfriend, a hallmark, a hallmark movie that's like this is the face he made to when he realizes that his girlfriend just left him for that business guy that comes from a telling anyway. I thought we were in love and then you know 01:17:39 because it's a Hallmark movie. There's the Carol the Bells, there's people singing songs and there's the fiddle off and all that there you go. 01:17:53 Hey, if you like this episode, you might like this man. It's an episode we did honestly a couple years ago at this point about a guy that was known as this man who showed up in everybody's dreams, a really big viral moment, very interesting story. 01:18:07 pretty wild. But if you really loved this episode and you want next week's episode right now, you can become a member. Our members get access to every episode ad free a week before the release and a lot of other perks. And those are available at tilland.com slash support. This podcast is a podcast of the Evergreen Podcast Network. You can find out more about their shows at ever But again, thanks for watching this episode.

Episode Transcription

00:00 So eight governments come together and on one day in twenty twenty one arrest hundreds of people and most of them are going to get away free. Yeah, was the largest sting operation ever commenced involving eight different governments, eight hundred arrests and over forty tons of drugs were seized on that day, but because of legal loopholes might not count. So the way that they found the information is going to make it so that they might not be admissible in court. 00:27 and so we're going to talk about how they, how they found that information, the strategies they use, the loopholes that the FBI went through to try to get that information and then what ended up happening, so where they may not even be able to follow through on these cases. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast, so if you googled this and you're not want to learn about the Trojan shield, we're gonna you're gonna learn about it, but we also make a lot of jokes. So if you hate this 00:50 please let us know in the comments and then watch all of our other episodes and tell us how much you hate this show. It really is no one is going to make us change. I promise if you want one more hate comment, we'll finally change all we mat of our two hundred episode show yeah. Thank you appreciate your feedback and if you are looking for a I don't appreciate it at all. I want you to know I don't appreciate your feedback in the slightest. Well, if you're looking for a place to 01:13 secretly share messages with people. You can join our membership platform. Go to till it dot com slash support. We've got all sorts of great perks. Our patrons make this possible, so I appreciate you. That's right. You can join our discord and get an episode a week early, but for now you got to listen to this week's episode, which starts right 01:32 Now. I'll allow it. 01:39 Hey man, what's up? Hey, have you ever heard of Operation Trojan Shield, Trojan Shield, Operation Trojan Shield? No, let me let me show you this picture and we'll see if this helps you at all. If you see this, does this help you? 02:05 Let me see what countries are in this. Okay, so operation trojan seal looks like a video game. Are we talking about a video game right now? No, no, not not a video game. I mean, I you know, here's the thing. It could eventually get app adapted, but it's not like not. This isn't from a video game. Okay, let's let's try this. Okay, 02:33 What about if I show you this? This is a logo for something, another logo, an arm. Yeah. Do you know what that is like an anomaly? No. 02:44 I why do you wait? Do this? I see the oh I can see that it's the same. Oh yeah, I get that they're related yeah. Okay, okay. What about if we do here? Let me show you one more. Oh, holy wait a minute. I recognize this one. Try this one. Do you recognize this one special operation Ron side? No, it's iron, but the eye is like exploding doing the doing the I don't feel so good Mr Stark. 03:12 I is that what it's doing oh no yeah Ron side ran for local commissioner after killing his family. Whoa well, he had to get out of it, so he had to run for a commissioner and and he yeah. I don't know what you take so long dude in the beginning you go. We use logo I go now. I don't recognize that you go huh. What about about this logo? 03:40 and I go no, I don't recognize that one at all. Like we're doing the freaking ink test and I like. What do you see when you see this? I don't know my dad, I guess I don't know like what does that say about me? Well, shut up, I'm doing something. Hey, stop talking, I'm doing something. I'm doing something then later in the episode when I'm doing bits, you're like we have a lot to get to, but you spend the first five minutes freaking being like here's my powerpoint present loosely planned for minutes before this started 04:07 get to it do okay, okay, okay, okay, ready, ready? I've been on june eighth twenty twenty one morning of june eight twenty twenty okay. Do you know where you were that day? Not here. It was a what's the thursday? It was a Tuesday afternoon 04:30 well. No, I literally said the morning of June 8, 2021, so sorry it was a wall in my time zone. It was an afternoon. Why yeah? I guess I guess it does depend the day. Hold on. Let's see day of the week was oh shoot. It was a Tuesday. Well, I don't always say oh shoot. I knew that I hate that you got that right. That was just a guess. Okay, no, no, no, okay, so I'll say what I was doing on June 8, 2021 Tuesday morning 05:02 it was twenty twenty one, so I was door dashing praying to God that I would meet the amount that required for my rent yeah because the world had returned, but gigs had not actually. That's not true. June eight twenty one. I was probably at the airfield. That's when I was learning so actually yeah yeah. Yeah, gosh, remember that yeah. Remember when you almost became a pilot? I mean, I got some images to show you 05:33 let me show you why they won't let me be a pilot. You're tell me what this makes you think of it. I'll tell you why you can't so on June, eight twenty twenty one. What are we talking about? June, eight twenty twenty one morning, one of which episode of ours came out on June, eighth. Oh yeah, that's a good question. I don't know whatever it is. Go listen to it. Tuesday, June, eight twenty twenty one. Alice, could you look that up while we're doing this while we're doing whatever we're doing here? Yeah, he's not going to he's not here today. That's why he's not going to do a twenty twenty one 06:03 morning, yes, Australia, there's a no the night of June, seven for us. Yes, they live in the future. They do. You're right. Correct. So Australia, yeah, man sleeping in his house, a knock at the door, the knock, the knock turns into the doors erupted open, banged open in flows. The Australian Federal Police, a whole barrage of them. Yeah, they arrest him and hang a ruse. 06:31 if you didn't know the federal police in Australia, just kangaroos. Oh no, no, they're called king. I didn't mean they're kangaroos to an idiot. I've always known they were actual king. There are people and they're called the kangaroos, kangaroos and three piece suits, double breasted kangaroo suits. I a little cut out for their inside their pouch, a K forty sevens, two of them 06:54 two, two, we'll dumb and their goofy little arms. Yeah, their stupid little choir and they're like all right, man, you go to prison, joman, a zoo or whatever so please come in arrest him yeah on charges that he's we don't have an aim okay on charges that he is shocked that they are aware of for crimes that he doesn't understand. 07:24 simultaneously and the United Kingdom, a similar scene unfolds okay knock at the door bursting in yeah the British police. I don't know what they are like our bad potato soup. I can't think of anything other than the British food sucks. Oh, I only stereotype. I can come up. Yeah, 07:49 same thing. They're the queens, their all in wings, the Queen Bat, yeah Lithuania, okay, similar scene on unfolds. This happens. I don't know what left way yeah. I could not tell you a single thing about Lithuania. Pull up a map, ask where it is. I can guess I bet I'd be relatively close. I've been in New Orleans. Yeah, that's the same. Lithuania yeah, you're close, so 08:16 This happens all over the world. 800 different arrests conducted at the exact same time, globally. Okay. And they all come back to this Operation Trojan Shield. Okay. And so, to tell this story, we need to go backwards a little bit. Back to 2018. In 2018, there was a guy who went by the name of Afo, Afo, Afo, Afo, Afa, Afa. Okay. 08:46 off. That sounds better off. So off. We don't know who he is. We his identity hasn't been officially revealed and I don't know if it ever will be officially revealed, but he worked with a number of criminal syndicates around the world. Specifically, he worked with the Facebook Mark Zuckerberg. I think is what his name is crime syndicate. No, there's ring leader Mark Zuckerberg, the Facebook criminal 09:16 Hakan Ayik, that's his name, Hakan Ayik. He was known as the Facebook criminal because in the 2010s, he was a pretty prolific European crime lord, but he did it all on Facebook. He was like an influencer. He's posting all of his crimes on online like, oh my God, and like bragging about it. And so this is the guy just 09:43 just duck face. 09:51 yeah and so he so Afu, I believe Afus his name, okay, was working with Ayuk, I Ick, Ick, maybe is how you pronounce that. I don't know sure, but they were working together. However, yeah, they were working together. I love someone telling our story being like Ja rune and 10:14 his hub. It's Tom. I is how they spell Tom at the time at the time, I run and Tom think they use a spell Tom with I I think the M makes a B sound for what we're in doing research, but you pronounce it backwards. So so Jeroen and bit were hi. I'm bit 10:44 they they worked on a couple of different projects together. Are you tired today? Not particularly. Why is wondering? Are you tired today? I feel great. Why would you ask that's why I ask what you just did where you went here a little your your energy is weird for me today. All right anyways, they worked with a right. I feel like I feel like this is where Tim tries to gas like me and I go hey man. We can talk about it. You good 11:13 you good. I never got. Would you have an argument with before we got here? Literally nobody didn't get stuck in traffic. You didn't get you know on edge. No, there's no edges here zero edges okay. All right. 11:26 I did you know now that you know now that okay, I'll come on. Oh, you want me to be vulnerable, I'll be vulnerable. I hear coming here. I was driving away here. I got off the freeway and I went wrong way in the roundabout. I went the wrong way in the roundabout and everyone acted like I was the bad guy, but I wasn't the bad guy. It was an obvious 11:43 mistake is easy mistake to go hard. You turn around the concrete. Sometimes you go the wrong. I just thought like I don't want to go right. I don't want to go left. I drove straight through the middle and I don't understand why people are mad about that. I don't get what my Honda fit. It's not my hatchback Honda, Lime, Yellow to go the wrong way. Can I not go the wrong way? Yes, I'm sick of his conformists who want me to just let me to run with the flow of 12:13 Insane. I'm not the crazy one here, so they worked with a platform called Phantom secure okay, Phantom secure was a part of a cohort of brands in the criminal underworld. Yeah, underworld, so Phantom secure was probably the biggest one was the umbrella crime company. No Phantom secure was the biggest one. Ancro chat was another one and it and it com was another one sky global was another one and these were essentially jailbroken phones that 12:43 you could use for encrypted two-way chats. So you could talk about your drug shipments and your gun runs and stuff like that without worry that the feds were on to the conversations that you were having. And so these were jailbroken phones or phones specially manufactured to do crime on. This is 2018. This is through the 2010s. And so I'm. 13:08 a fue will come a fue. I don't I don't remember what his name he goes by is nothing matters. We don't know who give him a new name. We don't know who as all we know is it's an alias give him. You'll both be Tim so he took Tim and I are working together. They are. I love that it that off. You're like I can't figure that one out. I yick nailed it. Well, how would you say that a yik? 13:37 ayak ayak and off who ayak and off who okay, so I fume and a they are they are distributors for the phones and so these phones because they are crime phones. They can't set up a t mobile store and sell in the store. They can't have marketing campaigns or anything like that. It's all word of mouth and so what these guys were is they would go around and do phone marketing is trying to sell who don't have phones. Yeah, you can't cold the 14:04 Hello! Ahhhh! 14:11 it's so all people. Are you called? It's not connected. Oh, we got one. I was going to figure out how to get in touch with I got to find that guy who all I know is his number doesn't work. 14:33 I love the idea of a guy just got the Bluetooth headset in he's cooking his eggs. He's just work from home. Yeah, it's just like dial hello. Never mind, never mind bummer. That's really funny. So can't catch a freaking break, so they would go talking to all their other crime friends. Sure they'd be like hey, what kind of phone are you guys using? I need to get some crime and they try 15:02 I need to find my crime tribe, you know, crime tribe yeah, and so they would sell them. They'd be like like hey, we've got a good a good new phone for you, two way encryption, all that stuff and so these phones they were. They would look like normal phones, but they would obvious typically have like some weird guys in in ones are doing this is a I'll say your phone yeah well he 15:24 just put that on a story. Maybe there's no stories that there was just photo albums use code here's here. Here's thirty pictures uploaded at once. All the sales I've made this every criminals buying encrypted funds for me take your mask down for. Could you yeah yeah perfect smile yeah. I think he was flirting with me. You haven't happened to kill anybody lately right 15:52 those blood, so what and they would they would typically have like a hidden area in the phone where you would go have your chats and then you could like lock that area up okay kind of like remember. Remember, I'm sure this is still the way, but they've updated them, so I don't know if it's how it works. Remember the Coca Cola like freestyle machines. You know I'm talking about over. You could like do a little. They've got the they've got the three specific bubbles that you tap and and that's how you like get into the 16:21 machine and to work stuff. Yeah, they fix that yeah. I don't know how you do it now, but is the same concept. There was like specific hidden stuff you click on and then it gets you into the chat feature right and then you can have your hidden secret chats and then you can close it out and you don't have it. What was first Coca Cola freestyle machine you saw? Oh my boggling that's the closest. I think I've felt to how people in nineteen sixty nine must have felt watching us land on the moon. 16:56 you know I'm saying I was like I can put cherry and vanilla in this. The crazy thing about a coke freestyle machine is it's not that impressive. Like if you like step away from it, it's not that impressive, the but like easy thing about airplanes is that it's really not that impressive. If you look back, it's like no, it's pretty wild that we do that. Yeah, airplanes are airplanes. If you step back and you think about it, 17:23 pretty crazy that that works. Go, go a freestyle machines. If you step back, you're like how did human ingenuity do this? It's the same thing we had before with a screen. It's not before the screen, not the same thing we had before. If you genuinely genuinely hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on a normal coke thing where you just the ones with the levers. If you took some hoses and just spouted the hoses on those and then we're able to just 17:51 hit multiple levers at once. That's what a coke freestyle machine is with a screen that just makes sure all that levers gets levered. Yeah, it's the same concept, add an abacus and you were able to do all this and had up different numbers. It's the same thing. A calculator is they were talking about. Yeah, it's not impressive. I'm not impressed, but I will say I agree with you though. Seeing it for the first time was a revolutionary moment in my life. Yeah, 18:17 I there. There is the moment I say we can't say what it's called, but the drink that you can make yeah having to do that manually, do you still do that? 18:36 I don't think they call that. I don't know what they call it now. I call it a mental crisis. I don't know my mental health crisis. Oh yeah, it's my sunshine or whatever. We called it something else. Would you call it Alex? 18:52 he has no idea what we're talking about right. He has no idea what we're talking about. You know what we put all the soda, but all this together in one so that's not called. You don't know what was called. Ah Alex is have a mic today. 19:10 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code tilling and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time, so 19:37 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still. I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 19:54 anyways so and then these phones, what they had is they were connected to the service and so at any oh yeah, we went from the freestyle coke machine to the phone or to the things and then to gasoline. I don't know how we got where we were, but so so I also do the freestyle gas where I put. I put all of them in my car, oh free 20:24 I put them all yeah that's a good idea. 20:30 And then the green one really messes with what's really good. Yeah, I love the green one. It's great. Smells the best. Nothing ends the day like a good swig of diesel. So these phones, it was two thousand dollars for a six month subscription. Okay. And the reason why is your subscription service. Obviously they did the encryption and everything like that. But the biggest part of it is if you got got by the feds or something like right, right, right, then one of your crime allies could. 20:59 message support. Well, they could message support and support will remotely clear everything in the phone and so support would wipe it and so you would know like okay, your evidence is safe. They also had like features where it's like if it was an inactive for long enough, it would just wipe everything. I don't know. You seem pretty guilty in here. No, it's not even I literally didn't even do anything wrong. I'm just really mad because there was pictures of my kids on that phone 21:28 now there's not now there's not because you got got yeah I got got. We saw that you wiped that phone. That means you're pretty guilty. I really wasn't even do anything wrong yeah, but you can't prove it. I can't prove it, but I also can't prove my kids love me. Can I yeah? That's why I have pictures. That's why the court, that's why the court gave him to her mom on the week days. I know week days and I only get him on the weekends and now I don't have any proof. Yeah, I can't prove that they love me 21:55 that won't say it honestly. I'm already in a prison of my own. What does it matter if you put your cares yeah? Put me in your prison, put me in your prison, my prisons worse. I bet so dramatic 22:12 So they're running this thing, right? The government finds out about it and the government's like, and now all of a sudden there's a vacuum. Afu, I'm pretty confident I'm saying that different. 22:37 every time I say doesn't matter. Go ahead, Afu. It's only weird that you keep pointing it out to. I just don't remember what because it's not his real name. It's a code name that he yeah. That's why I don't think he's offended. I don't think he's listening and being like it's off. You know, like he's like it's a code name. It's like I made it up yeah. Okay, so it's AFU dude like just say the letters Afu he he has an idea. He's like oh 23:06 white space. He's an entrepreneur. for the criminals. That's what Anom is. And when you turned it on, 23:34 would scramble the numbers every time. So no one looking over your shoulder could look at the pattern or anything like that. So every time you were... But also you got to be like... Ha ha ha ha. 23:47 it's so much slower for you to open his phone. You're like yeah, like yeah, and I got sorry got text okay, shoot, okay, like I couldn't tell you we have a we have a key pad on my on my door, my front door, my house yeah. I legitimately was thinking this here. I don't think I can tell you what the code is. I just know the muscle memory of where to you know where the numbers are, where to go on it. Well, that was the interesting thing about like the early androids because remember the very early androids didn't have a number pad 24:16 It was literally that it was a pattern. You try that's right. Yeah, you would do the swiggle thing. Yeah, that was weird. Why did they do that? I just think they thought they were trying to be cool. Yeah, no one liked them. I liked it okay, but so there was these modified phones. You would open the phone and when you got on the phone, it would be full of all the apps, face, Twitter, locked were they like our like this slider phone, I phones, no 24:40 a sire phone we have. Oh yeah, those phones they didn't lock none of them locked. That's there was no reason for that back in all the time. Yeah, actually a hundred percent, but that yeah, you can accidentally go live on Instagram. There's so many more dangerous things could happen. Yeah, yeah from your pocket. So once you figure out your passcode, you get it on. It's got all the apps. It's got Facebook, Twitter, Google, all the stuff is on there, but if you tap them, nothing happens. They were fake 25:10 But you could, when you opened up the phone, there was a secret passcode. And once you entered the secret passcode, that did nothing. 25:38 yeah at the movie for me. It was all just felons just just yeah dudes. He recently got out of prison yeah. Everyone thought it was going to be a kids movie one family shows up people, the face tats and the theater were crazy. They were so high. They were saying actually where they so a this is a fun fact. Actually you can you can you can get on this was that the angry birds movie premiere was a Trojan horse to catch 26:06 to catch a ring criminal, yep, yep, yep, because they somehow knew because well, what people didn't know is that angry birds through the terms and conditions were allowed to look to your for a lot of the camera phone. So you were playing and then crime was happening. I was having by you yeah. You just finished doing some torture and you're like oh, did we kill that guy? Yeah, no, I just sold this amount to a guy in Montana. That's right. I 26:36 I sold dead kilograms of drugs to the yeah also look at my birds pretty angry, darn so once you got into this other side of the phone, the layers to this are crazy. You could then go open that calculator app and in the calculator app function like a normal calculator. 27:00 unless you entered the right code, then you enter the right code and then it opens up the a nom operating system and in there you have all the chat features and all the encrypted stuff and the secret stuff for you cry every time you get a text message. You got to go then you got to open this third party app and be like all right, then you got to open a calculator and do a math equation and then just to just to see a text that says got it. You're like all that forgot it 27:27 just to see a tax. That's a screenshot of angry birds needs like what I just see my new high score just to see a says hey and I can't make it today. My wife says I can't hang out. 27:40 And that was what they're encrypting. They're like, no one can know this. 27:46 Anyways, so stop looking at me like that. Stop it. Stop looking at me like that. I'm going to take all the gas out of your bags. So anyways, and so this, he was like, he's like, oh, this is a good idea. Yeah. 28:16 you know what I've done a lot of crime and he's like he's like and honestly if I get caught I bet I'm looking at a lot of prison yeah and so he calls up his lawyer and he's like hey let's meet with the FBI and his lawyers like love the way you're thinking and so the lawyer calls the FBI and is like hey I need to meet with you tomorrow. 28:42 and if they does that they're like you yeah, we can the coffee shop on seven or you are wrong. So they show up at the FBI office, Afu and his lawyer, yeah and they come in and they have a conference room meeting. He goes and he's like sharks for fourteen years. I've been operating a secret phone company behind the backs of the of the United States government and you, the Federal Board of Investigative Bureau, Bureau or Board Bureau, 29:13 Is it birds? Are you guys angry birds fans to today? I'm seeking full immunity in exchange for this small idol I found in the woods. 29:29 it's a fiber. He thinks that they'll honor the there's a hidden immunity. I he's like oh sweet. They can't take me to jail. He's like show the jury this and everyone's like ah. How do you pull it? How do you do it? He's like so 29:56 he's so like Sir, you're under rest. What the guys, how's work? I got the I don't. It wasn't. It wasn't a real immunity. That sucks sharks. No, he does. He does a full presentation of the poem. He goes. Have you guys ever heard of Trojan Shield? Maybe 30:23 Maybe this logo would. 30:29 no. You know about that one. 30:53 EEEE 30:56 are you talking about this one? I was like how long you're gonna let us sit here because you knew I was going to wait to talk. I love doing this show, so he's basically like yeah. He's I'm gonna let you in on this. If you install the back door yeah and then I don't get to go to prison sure and they're like well, why do you would you go to prison for he's like he's like 31:24 is a I don't know. I don't know. What do you know? That's a power move to show to the FBI office right. You roll in you go hello FBI, quick question for you. 31:44 What do you know? What do you know? They go, what do I know? What do you know about me? They go nothing. I commit to go. That's right. So if you want to be on an FBI's wanted list, ask him what they know about you and they're like we don't know much, but I can tell you we're going to find something. What you know about me nothing good 32:11 keep it that way cool. That's a that's like a hard thing. That's something that your uncle would say to you when he comes home for Thanksgiving and he's like your six and hey, what do you know about me? Nothing. Keep it that way. Yeah, what do you know about me? I know that mom was really stressed out that you're going to be here today. Keep it that way. Yeah, all right, if you want to keepers, I've got a phone company and I've got a competing off. You could have it or I've got a competing offer from 32:40 waiting star Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds, the reason he started his phone company, Mitt Mobile, is that he was because he was out on the crime mobile. That's what I'm saying. He was like he's like that was the opportunity of a lifetime shoot. I beat me to the punch yeah, so I'm going to make the cheapest phone. So he tells them hey, you can make a back door to these conversations. I don't I won't go to jail for anything ever. 33:09 and they're like okay, that's a pretty good deal and so the FBI is like super stoked about this, but then they realized pretty quickly like oh shoot the fourth amendment, which says you can't spy on your own people without having like a good reason to do it and like frick. We can't do this and I hate the fourth amendment and so the FBI was like that is the no context clip this so the FBI actually hate all the amendments. Actually, you know what's great about amendments? 33:39 you can dissamend them. That's right, get rid of them. I don't think we need any of them unamend all the amendments, so he so the FBI, the FBI says clip that the FBI says okay. You know what we can't we can't spy on our own people right, but you know who can China Australia Australia doesn't have a fourth amendment right. Okay, so they cop Australia and they're like yo Australia guess I'll show you 34:06 I know mate, sorry you won't believe out of habit, out of habit. He didn't even mean to he's like he's like and I mate sorry. I actually sorry about that. Do you think I who just hung up on me? Yeah, no 34:27 that was someone else. I have a recovery criminal. I just lie sorry. I just lied everybody all the time. That's my be. I'm trying to be more vulnerable about it. My name is off and also that's also a lie. I'm lying about that. I'm here's the bill. The US government says you guys can't arrest me either, so what do you guys think about spying on some American citizens and they're like 34:50 Like, Oh yeah, we've never been doing that. No, they say, they say, Hey, we've got some cool phones You guys want to try them out. We've got some laws, like we can spy on our own people, And so America's like, Frick! 35:18 and so America goes back to the drawing board and America's like why, like what? What are you talking about? Like at this point you're just trying to get info on Australians well like what do you mean shoot darn? Well, here's the deal. They the idea. The idea is we can get into infiltrate the international crime ring from Australia, okay, because it's a web like and so it's like a so they're like if this distributes outside Australia, then eventually we get into the international crime world, not just 35:46 sure Australian crime, but it starts in Australia because Australia is the one that doesn't have any protections for their citizens to be spied on at the time at the time yeah yeah, but Australia is like well, we can't pass that data to another foreign power. That's a law that we do have right and so America's like gosh dang it. So the FBI they were yeah they were they were really frustrated fifteen year old they were Rick very emotionally regulated when it comes to sleep on the map. 36:16 They pulled up the map and the FBI, and they've got colors of how many rights And they said Lithuania, hey, guess what, we've got these really sick phones. We'll set up the servers and we'll just share 36:46 was where they distributed the phones, all we're doing is passing out phones. And Lithuania's like, we don't care, to all these different nations. 37:14 process because they're like there's so many of us that are doing this. This is pretty sick. This was obvious is pretty sick. This is obviously someone of the FBI who was really hyped about this yeah and so this is clearly like two thousand this logo looks very two thousand fifteen to fourteen. This logo I honestly I would go earlier than now. I would say this looks two thousand three 37:38 no. This is like this is like for this is two thousand, that's what this is two thousand and eight, because it's got that you see that that that shine line that shine line yeah. That's a two thousand seven two thousand eight yeah. Well, I think that yeah, but this was two thousand and eighteen when the glossy everything was everything was very, you know, and so they put together just needs to make a comeback by the way. Let's change our logo. Let's make a glossy version of text that to Caleb 38:06 And so all these nations get involved is you would send your encrypted message, a copy of it would get sent to that Lithuanian server. And with that copy would be the unique IDs where they were located 38:36 just which is also something they have on you and your messages. No, because the Fourth Amendment 38:48 Yeah, they what about the Patriot Act made that possible with the NSA? I mean spying on people possible yeah, because it doesn't that doesn't that break the fourth amendment? Yeah, why would why did the Patriot Act make that work? Alice, do you know? Did they have to declare you a terrorist first? Do they have to be like that person's probably a terrorist? They have to have like reasonable cause 39:13 you know at the fourth amendment already says that right, but in the in like that time in that era two thousand six like reasonable cause was you look suspicious to us interesting. Maybe that's what the patriot act was as we just think that there's a chance that you might if you look some fish is the yeah yeah and which we know what that means yeah yeah we know what they meant they meant by that interesting well anyways so the FBI is watching all like reading all these and for a couple of years the started in twenty eighteen 39:41 And it started just in Australia. that had these phones and were communicating There were gangs, there were drug runners, like every single cloth of criminal you could think of was on these phones, using these phones 40:10 what like compiling data. They got to the point where over the course of four years they compiled twenty seven million messages of conversations on these phones related to crimes, various times back when texts weren't free, so that's crazy. No, this is twenty eighteen. Yeah, texts were free by then text for free in two thousand and eighteen. Yeah yeah. I still had to pay for minutes. No, you were I pay for minutes to last year. Shut up. No, yeah, I had those roll over. They gave them to me those orange ones 40:41 I had a handful of orange minutes. 40:45 you're talking about tick tacks. What are you saying mints? No, you're saying mints. I'm saying minutes. You're saying mints tick that you're talking about tick tacks. You saw you a orange minutes. You throw them in your mouth. Mints, yes, mints orange mints. Yeah, there's a free in a tick tack. I said to that video where that guy just called tick tack and was like hey, yeah. Are you interested in buying tick talk? 41:11 like do you work for them? No, I just think I just thought I just trying to broker a deal which honestly I love the idea where it's tick tack brought to you by tick or tick tock brought to you by tick tack is hilarious and he literally on the phone he's like he's like if you guys say no, I'm calling Kit Kat I was calling Dick sporting goods 41:38 you guys. You guys interested in Dicton 41:45 you guys could really crush on there. You could really crush it. Okay, cat tick tack. Who else could you do? Yeah, he called tick tack, kick cat. He called 42:04 yeah, I'd have to go watch it again. He called like six or seven companies on that and in that tick talk Kit Kat thought it was really funny. The lady in Kit Kat, she was well at first she was very annoyed and then she realized he's joking around. Yeah, but she was like honestly she's like. I think this makes sense. That's right. I mean that's my thing man. Is that every interaction you have could possibly end up being a viral video? So maybe just got to have better. Yeah, just to have you got to like in 42:33 be happy, don't be really so annoyed by these dudes who are like he can fill me via it with a fit check. What you got going on? If an influence or stops you on the street, I didn't know if it influences on the street to I don't know make one of their tick tocks with you just bark at them like until they run away. It'll go viral. People will love it. It'll be funny. They'll be like that barking guy. People will love it. Let's play it out to how would you bark? Let's hear how let's hear your board 43:02 I don't know how many I don't know how many barks it would that is so gen ex coated that it's not even what that's so yeah pretty that's a fifty year old man thing to do to be like I was a bar get some how is that man can I can I ask you you would be a video for for tick tock real quick? 43:32 and you're like. Both of you are insane in that scenario. There's neither one of you leaves that scenario being like I'm a person. No, you leave that scenario being like I've been destroyed by the internet. My life has been up ended. Any attachment I had to reality is gone because of what the internet has brought into my life. 43:54 he brought so much pain and suffering into my life that I'm now divorce for reality. The point where I am barking at a child on the side of the road in the Glendale Galleria 44:15 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tilen topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 44:41 I like 45:07 Okay, but for real, for real in the comments, tell us what's weirder, barking at someone or doing those TikTok videos. Oh. 45:17 I think it's more normal than and then you end up watching a thing called like bark coin or whatever and then you sell all of it insider trade turns out that's a legal. Nobody told me that you're in jail. You're barking at all the prisoners, but they bark back so it's a little oh yeah they bark back. All I've been looking for all my life is some of the bark back and I found them in prison. Who would have thought no so 45:45 The FBI is watching all these chats, right? And they're not getting involved with any of them. They're just compiling data. Yeah. Until Lithuania sees one and they realize, or no, I think it was Sweden. Sweden sees one and they realize, oh, this is an assassin that has actual intent and it looks like it's actually going to go off. Okay. So it was a guy who owned a coffee shop. He had a feud with another guy, didn't realize that guy was a criminal and that criminal was like, I'm going to hire an assassin to kill him. 46:14 Oh, that's another fear dude yeah is that like there's two possible scenarios that could happen to you yeah okay. One you could end up in a viral video on accident. You know person you have an interaction with a huge fire or two. You could accidentally fight someone who is a criminal yeah. You know you could flip someone off in traffic and then that person's a mob boss and suddenly you have no idea and he's got a grenade in his center console. 46:38 well he's a great across the street that he goes across the street and gets and then throws it into your car. Sorry, no a car hit the grenade. It wasn't yeah into you had nothing to do with the into the closed window of your car. That was purely coincidentally had nothing to do with the good. I just happened to be in the area as lawyer. 47:02 as lawyer will take it from here. Yeah, and the lawyer is like see. Look at this. No, yeah, look, you can't see anything. I'm a claymation 47:12 So the Swedish government sees this and the Swedes are like oh no, we need to get involved. Oh no, and so they call the guy yeah and they say hey, are you this coffee shop guy and he's like well, I have a name but that's okay yeah and they're like a column and he's like Starbucks and they're like hey, did you take someone off this week? I take someone off every day. It's kind of a thing. 47:36 have you ever heard of customers? I'm actually insufferable, so there's a lot of the work really it's kind of on brand for us. We're a coffee shop. We were supposed to be pompous and make everyone feel inferior yeah yeah. Oh, one of them wants to kill me. Oh okay, and how do you know that? How do you know yeah? Oh by breaking my fourth amendment rights. I've never heard of the fourth amendment yeah, so they tell him hey by the way someone's going to try to kill you tomorrow. You should call in sick and so he doesn't go and 48:05 the guy shows the assassin shows up can't find them. He survives, but they obviously don't say how they got that information, so they protect this guy and this happens a handful of times. He goes in the next day, though, and if you don't say like is someone if somebody calls you and says hey don't go into work tomorrow, pretend to be sick. How many sick days do you take? Yeah, how many say hey someone calls you and says hey 48:31 How many sick days you got? You know what you should take them all hey. You should take a sick day tomorrow because someone's plan are coming to your place of work and killing you. You know what I'll do you on better. I quit. I quit. I'm really never going back moving yeah. Can I go into witness protection or something like that? We should do more. You guys had that we had a sweetish and then hung up one day of work and you go home to your wife and you go. Hey, I can't go to work tomorrow. The Swedes called me and she's like 49:00 uh excuse me and she's like you're saying this because you want to go to the lake with Tim and go fish. That's what you're doing. You just want to spend time with your codependent mess for friendship. It's very weird how close you guys are yeah. It is weird to be close with someone who was trying to record a podcast. You know that scene in modern where Phil what's what's his name? 49:29 No, the grandma cam, J J Pritchett is his last name. I kept wanting to say Pritchett. I was like, that's not a first name where he wanted to go to fishing or he was wanting to go out on the boat and I like for his birthday and no one would go with him. Yeah. And then Manny put the boat in the pool. That was the best thing I've ever seen that show. Here's the thing. It shows don't do like heartwarming stuff like that anymore. Yeah. My heart was so warm. 49:57 I've never I don't know. Oh really it was a dad. I just watch it. I was just like a man. He's favorite episode of modern family is when Manny takes like a four hour nap and then J Gloria and little Joe have a picnic in the backyard man. He wakes up. It was the backyard. He's like you guys had a picnic without me. 50:26 What's crazy is that you can see that. That makes sense, that's totally a scene. 50:34 yeah. What am I talking about? Okay, so I don't know for years about modern family. How you suddenly have feelings for the first time in your entire life. Do you know whenever all I wanted to do the internet has broken my brain so much. I'm talking strangers that are trying to have a gallery and all I ever wanted to do is have my heart feel warm. That's it. I wanted to feel something, so I watched 50:58 television that was created ten years ago, and I watch episodes that came out a long time ago, and now I watch them on Hulu because it's commercial free and I use my best friend's account to do that. Sometimes I go I go hey, why am I paying for Hulu? You're just mooching off of me, even though it's his account and I forgot because I have dementia and I'm not even on your and the only reason I'm this sentimental 51:24 Anyways, so here's the deal. All this crime, they're watching the crime happen. Yeah, they're not getting involved except for a select cases where they think people are like gonna like die sure and when those situations happen, they get involved, but they're very careful not to like blow, yeah, but it's this thing's ballooning up and there's so many criminals involved in it now that is starting to become a little bit difficult to manage. All this comes to a head on June, 51:54 okay, twenty, twenty one because Lithuania's court order that allowed them to run those servers came to an edge, and so Lithuania called up all these countries. Now there's all those countries in that picture and it's like hey guys conference call real quick, and so they jump on a Google meet and the Thwani is like hey, can you jump on a call real quick great hey, can you go great one at a time yeah, so Lithuania is like okay, 52:21 Australia, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, America. Now that you're all here, I got to let you know we've got to turn the servers off. So sorry, I should have told you this earlier and so and everyone's like 52:39 okay yeah, what is the rest of exactly so like okay tomorrow is the mass arrest and so they all put together their operations for everyone that they've got data on and that next day, June, eight eight hundred search and seizures were conducted. Eight hundred arrests happened and as a result, ready for this list sure forty tons of drugs were seized, which was 53:08 over eight tons of cocaine, twenty two tons of cannabis, six tons of synthetic drug precursor, half of it being cannabis is kind of like all right, yeah, it kind of takes away. You know, two times, watch like shows like Brooklyn nine nine in the early episodes like they arrest a guy for smoking weed in his apartment. Yeah, you know, and now when you see that kind of stuff, you're just like it aged it so like oh, you know what the worst is 53:38 is the Bates Motel series. Did you watch that now the base motel series? One of the story plots in that is that he stumbles across this hidden operation that's running this weed farm? Oh yeah yeah, and it's like this huge field where they're secretly growing all this marijuana yeah, and it's like now you watch it and you're like yeah, yeah, so anyway half of this list being cannabis is kind of like okay yeah well and then also two hundred and fifty guns. 54:07 fifty five luxury cars, forty eight million dollars in various currencies and then of course the eight hundred arrests. It was the biggest sting operation in history in general and obviously involved the most right nations out of any sting operation. This was just Spain, just the country of Spain. This was their seizure man. Police departments love these loop. They love them. They love them and then 54:33 Here's a map of all the countries that their phones got into. got involved in this at some point. immediately after all these arrests on June 8th, police, like federal police agencies from all the different 55:01 agencies to be in one room together being like, And they just went public with it. and we've got them all. Here's the problem. 55:21 All of these court cases have been going on for years. Many of them have been delayed. And what has come up time and time again in these cases is two things. One, they are having a hard time linking these conversations back to the individuals that were arrested. And so they know that the ID was their ID, but they have no reason that they can say that that was that person that they arrested's ID. 55:51 And so the evidence while they've got all this evidence from the conversation, they're like is it's not a miss a part in court because we can't connect it to this person. Second, that's like whenever I got hit and run and then I went back to the place where it happened and I saw that car in the parking lot and I called the Kansas City police and I was like, hey, I got the car that hit me right here and then the car, the police shows up and I haven't talked to the person whose card is yet, but I'm sure I've got our cars next to each other and I go, look, here's the scratch all across my 56:21 back in his mind, look at the scratch on their car, this added up and he goes, it's not enough. We can't do anything. That's crazy. And I was like, you, what do you mean? You can't do anything. He's like, yeah, we can't do anything. And then with your report, yeah, like as a witness, I was like, what are you talking about? Like this is clearly the car that hit me. He goes, he goes, that won't stand. It's not enough. It won't. It won't. That's crazy. We would have to have footage of them hitting you. Yeah. And I was like, what? So really, if you're getting a hit run, I had to go inside 56:50 to the guy and be like hey, you hit me last night. He's like no, I never left the bar and I said ha ha ha be careful. What else you say? Ha ha because you clearly don't remember when you left the bar and drove away in a not straight line yeah yeah, but you did hit me and then he was like oh, I mean I'm sorry it gave me his insurance, but had he not yeah, so now I'm just gonna start hitting people yeah it's wild. It's one of those it's a it's a double edged sword because obviously like you want to have like those sorts of things are protections. 57:19 for people we got to hurry up, but okay, cheese just wasted so much time with the intro. I sat on a joke for like forty minutes. Fun payoff, so what were you saying about hitting? I don't know whatever man, so the second thing is this is like one of my steps son put the boat in the pool. It's really good. It's really good gesture, but the chlorine started to eat the paint 57:49 it's also a big boat. It's a pontoon. It's was bigger than the pool. I don't know why scratch the heck out of the side of my boat dude and we don't even have a pull. It's just a hot tub. It's a lateable hot 58:05 well, it was inflatable pop my inflatable hot thanks happy birthday to me. Am I right? Thanks dude, this made everything so much. You only does no one of this. I want to hang out with me, but I'm also surrounded by idiots. Tell your steps. You owe me a hot. You actually owe me. I'm going to bill you for that 58:28 No, so the second problem I was in your mom because of you. I met her great met you. She and I'll tell you what I'll be honest with you. She hit the fact that she was a mom for the first two years to years dude. 58:50 and then I met you. You couldn't. You were three years old and I knew you were a piece of crap. This kid I love her so much, but that kid sucks. This guy stings. Okay, so second guy second thing was a lot of these nations that were collecting this data like 59:16 technically this weird web. It was legal for the data to pass yeah, but it wasn't legal in like a court system, and so it's like they're yeah like you can technically gather this effort, but it's not admissible in a court of law right, so all these cases are getting thrown out yeah, so yeah, you got this this evidence is not legal yeah, so one yes, the biggest sting operation any country or has ever commenced. 59:40 the only sting operation that has involved this many nations in cooperation with each other. The biggest single day arrest spree the world has ever seen and the largest Caesar by far, but the majority of the people that they arrested their cases or their charges are getting dropped right. So can you call it successful? Probably not, but was it kind of pretty cool? You can call the crime successful, the crime, the crime was successful. The most successful part of it is Afu doesn't have to go to jail. 01:00:10 like he he is the he's the genius in this whole thing. He got out of guy all of his possible. You wanted to do four years of work that will amount to absolutely nothing and let me off the hook for all of my crimes, including murder, any crimes committed or that I will commit that I will commit like maybe in the future. I commit some more cause honestly I don't know what else I'm going to do in my life. Once saved always say 01:00:38 so yeah, that's a accepted forgiveness one time. I'm good. No, you can't do this. I prayed in six grade. You can't arrest me. Oh come to the bureau. All my crimes are wiped away. I feel like this is blast for me. It's not it's a it's okay song anyways. All right, I've had enough of this. That's operation, Georgia shield. 01:01:07 you can fiddle that guy off. Oh, I had more to say say it. 01:01:20 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of things. I learned last night. 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00:00 there's an reggae tan in the San Diego Zoo, who for years tortured the zoo keepers by being unmanageable would not a cage got out ran around the zoo high five and kids kiss and mom stay in the cage. His name proper name, Ken Allen, can if 00:21 can is Alan. Ken Allen was an orangutan in the San Diego Zoo and this week we're talking about all the efforts the zoo had to do to try to keep this very smart primate in close yeah. He was actually a human a cost the whole time from birth. 00:42 all right. This is a site. It's a comedy podcast where we learn something new every single week and this week is no different. Thanks for checking out the show. We'll see at the end of it. 00:56 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Ken Allen, Ken Allen, Ken Allen? No take a guess. I'll tell you he was born in nineteen seventy one. See if that helps you at all. Ken Allen yeah, you have a brother. I maybe I don't know if we know about him. I mean he could okay, so he's not maybe a Malin's brother. No definitely not definitely not. I mean 01:22 honestly looking at him like I could see him being like a long lost brother. Okay, I didn't think about that until you said it, but now that I'm looking at us so can Alan yeah. Okay, you want to see a picture of him. I don't think it'll help, but sure yeah. Let me know if you can tell who this guy is 01:47 it's an orangutan. Is this orangutans name yeah? This a reggae tank is named Ken Allen what okay, so I love this. I'm so excited for this story. Okay, so so Ken Allen, 02:13 is an reggaetang. He was yeah. He lives in the San Diego Zoo currently well, no, not currently. He's born in nineteen seventy one. He was born February thirteen nine to seventy one. A reggaetang live in the San Diego Zoo. I don't know what's an orangutan life span or rang tang lifespan. So it's just you know when I say the word a reggaetang, I like I like say the first half pretty confident and that I is letting 02:40 drift off at the end, because I don't know if it's ringing a tongue ring a thing. Yeah, you know, honestly, this is the first time I have studied for this episode and when I searched for ring and tain lifespan, I realized there's no G at the end. I've always say he's a ring a thing because of the Tang commercials. Yeah, interesting, yeah, interesting how that just kind of breaks your brain a little bit doesn't. It's kind of like how I feel completely like I knew that I saw someone recently talking about the santa claus movie. Yeah, how does that mean? Yeah, it's a pun. 03:09 Yeah, but like they always, but after that movie, the line, we all spell Santa Claus has an E at the end yeah yeah and auto correct doesn't out correct you because claus is a wuss is a word yeah that's tricky. Meringue tains live on average thirty five to forty years in the wild, but in captivity they can live up to fifty years wow or or sixty or more is what it says. It says, but they can in captivity live up to fifty years. 03:34 or live up to sixty years or more. Why do you say that just say can live over sixty years? Why do you say? Why did they say that because there's currently one orangutan that is like sixty two yeah? It actually does say the next sentence. It says the record for longest lived orangutan. Now I'm like so self conscious about my pronunciation of that, which is weird, because I'm never self conscious about pronouncing stuff wrong in captivity is held by an orangutan named gypsy. 04:04 who died at the age of sixty two in Tokyo called it yeah, so you were dead on anyways. Ken, he was born in the San Diego Zoo in February, thirteen, nineteen seventy one. He was named for the two zookeepers, Ken and Al and they were like what if we gave him after us, which is kind of adorable. Like that's those are some good work friends yeah, but let's be fair. There's not a lot of jobs where you get to name an like 04:32 like if you're a software developer and you're like, let's name this new software, Ken Allen, which is, I mean, I guess it's a cool Ken Allen does kind of flow anyways. It was yeah, it would be like Alan Kim. Yeah, yeah, so Ken was born and pretty quickly they realized that Ken's mother in the zoo was not fit to be a mother. She wasn't a very good mother because she was also smoking 05:00 she was she was getting tattoos instead of paying rent to the zoo yeah yeah and she always bought these weird boyfriends home yeah really bad men. She's bringing boyfriends from the gorilla pit home yeah yeah you can't have gorillas or orangutans that's what I'm saying yeah they always pronounce a ring a tan with a G yeah. What are you a rang a tang a reggae bag a rang a tang and you're like what so so they realized because can so ken's mother 05:30 she had a problem where I don't know one really knows why, but she had a problem where she just kept sitting on ken when he was an infant, and they're like do you not see your child and she's like I've been hanging out with it. Well, that was her chicken boyfriend, a chicken boyfriend like you're supposed to she's certain geese and stuff and they were like sit on him right dump and I'm doing something 05:58 and excuse me, I'm a podcasting that was the whole bit. You can keep okay got it and so I just like I'm podcast normally. Normally what they would do is a new orangutan is born. They take that a ring and they say you live with your mom for a little bit and then we're going to figure out what pen we put you in as you mature. Yeah with 06:26 Ken, they said we got to separate you. She's going to kill you. She keeps sitting on top of you. She's going to crush you, so they take him to an indoor enclosure. That's like a private enclosure, okay, and they raise him. Ken and Alan raise him on their own sure, and here's the thing about this enclosure. They put in a bunch of toys. They put a bunch of ropes and stuff he can swing on, but because this he's in there by himself overnight, they're like we can't leave him in there overnight alone, and so what they would did is they 06:56 they had a cage like a picture like a kennel that they would take him in at night. They'd walk him into the cage at night, walk him in there, leave and then in the morning they get there and let him back out so that way he couldn't hurt himself overnight and so he's got a post more fun. Yeah, so yeah, so Ken learned gets out of the cage can learn. He can unscrew the bolts on the cage and so he started taking apart his cage and going out and playing on night. So the 07:23 workers, the zookeepers going out, hanging out with the chicks like it's an indoor enclosure can't get out, but he's still jumping around and playing all night playing with his toys swinging from from the ropes that they hung from and they get there in the morning and there's the disassembled cage and then him just out in the open and they would then put the cage back together and take him back to the cage and so he this happened a couple of times. 07:51 that he realized he had to put it back together and can realized. Oh, these zookeepers, they don't want me out of this cage. They want me to be in this cage when they get back. So they the zookeepers realized one morning they show up and this cage is the cake or they show up. He's in the cage, but all the toys are not where they left them. They usually clean up, put them in the bins, but they're all out in the open. They're like, how is this happening? And so they stay back 08:21 one night and they wait. So they leave, they make him think that he's gone and they catch him. What he did is he took the screws out, disassembled the whole thing and then he would go play for a while. And when the sun started to come up, he went back and he reassembled the cage with him inside it. And so that way they would find him back in the cage. And they were like, we think he's been doing this for weeks, reassembling the cage when the sun came up and then waiting in there for us to show up. So that way. 08:47 he want to get in trouble. I don't know what they did. What he showed up? Well, they would taste me. He's like I quit getting taste guys like it's like I don't want to be tased. Yeah, yeah, so they effective. So they rebuilt the cage. They built a cage that couldn't be disassembled. I don't know how they did it. They well did it yeah, something like that. I don't know what they did, but once they did that, he stopped escaping in the middle of the night and that's the end of the story. Just kidding and so 09:16 he also he grew violent, so vengeful, so he grows up. He started writing letters to the family members, not to can and out to get it out to their for to kin's wife Marie. Yeah, he was sitting right in that postcard postcards and he would write dear Marie. When I leave my cage at night, I watch you said 09:45 Well, this looks like it was written by an orangutan, so I that narrows it down. I'm pretty sure it's the right. Did your hand writing looks like an orangutan wrote that so they're very they're huge by the way. If you are big, they're not small, they're not small, they're massive, they're way bigger than you think. They're like gorillas yeah, but I think they're bigger than gorillas. Are they? I don't know. They're pretty big are a ring times bigger 10:14 than gorillas. No, oh they're not bigger than the gorillas. Gorilla is typically weighs between three hundred and five hundred pounds male adult male gorillas while adult orangutans typically weigh between a hundred and two hundred stand up to four and a half feet tall. We do a side by side image. Is there a side by side? Let's see if I can find it orangutan versus gorilla. Don't look that up. There might be some weird YouTube channel 10:42 actually this is perfect. This is a perfect comparison. That means it's going to be stupid. What are you talking about? This is a perfect. This is this is exactly what you're looking for. Well, I mean this is AI, but it's probably pretty close to what they look like. Maybe their heads are way yeah. They got these they got big heads. I mean well, here's one. I don't know if that measurement is right. 11:10 okay, because hold on here. I'm going to show you some unless in less. The grill over here looks like King Kong. That doesn't look like real. That's why I picked that one. Unless this woman is a very small person, then Arangans are bigger than that than what I just said. That's what I was that's pretty big. That's what I was saying. Look how huge that thing is and you know that's I mean that's came from the Bible. 11:37 guys with a mormon's. I mean here's the thing though. Here's a thing I guess for the sake of argument, it's hair is long and flowy, so maybe that's right. What all you that I'm thinking is yeah for sure that's crazy though. Also, why is she that close to it? I think they found it in the wild in the public and it's just a she look out. It's chilling yeah. Look out the 11:59 this. I mean, a reggaetans are pretty peaceful creatures. This a reggaetan is about to ask you if you watch the finale of the good place. It's gonna be like. Did you see that you see that? Did you think is you happy to see that I started off super strong? I thought it was. I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, here's here's one. I can see where they're. This one looks like it got a recent cut. I think this is a female because it's headed as it 12:28 its head is a different shape. Okay, so I think this might be a female, so maybe that's why it's size looks so different, but without all that flowy hair, it doesn't look as big. Yeah, yeah, okay. 12:46 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 12:58 We do monthly hangouts. We do. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 13:30 Back to Ken. Ken is, Ken lives the rest of his childhood in this cage that he can't escape. Well, I mean, he lives the evenings in the cage and wakes up in the morning and then they let him out, he plays and then they put him back, right? Well, grows up to the age where it's like, okay, now it's time to assimilate him back into our culture in the zoo. And so they take him to an orangutan enclosure and they put him in an enclosure with, where he could have a community. And so, because they were a little worried. 14:00 They're like he's pretty smart. He's smarter than other orangutans to be able to both unscrew that but then also put it back together. That's a pretty intelligent primate and so he says so they so they say okay we got to put him put him somewhere where we think he might be safer. So they put him in one where he can have a community. They said okay I think if he's got community 14:18 then maybe he will be less. So you join a small group and so every week they show up and they sit down or they just ask like normal small group questions. You know like what's your browser history? That's a good starting good for someone you've never met before they go comfortable starter. What do you been searching? You're like looking up like hey, why don't you start with what's my wife's name? 14:42 Huh? Where we start with how we start with like where I got a high school. What do you do? What do you what do I do for the? Why are you jumping straight to this weird this crazy question? Yeah, I don't know what's your brown. What do you think my Rob Bell? What do you think? I mean it depends what you think. I mean yeah, depending on your answer to this Mark Drisco. Freaking so 15:08 he got involved, started volunteering. You know they had him there every weekend for church for kids church. They put him in an enclosure that would have for church. I mean I don't know if you've been to church lately, but the first time guests get freaking TVs. Do they get coffee mugs, TVs, they get a 15:29 a bundle of cash, just a bag of cash, you know, and then you do a volunteer night. Each volunteer gets a ten percent off coupon to the coffee shop in the church. Yeah, yeah pretty wild stuff. So he they put him just waits for me to get done with my bits and then he's like yeah. Okay, now I can teach you again, so the regattent. There's the thing I'm doing a thing 15:57 Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'll listen to this back later. I'll be driving and you'll go that's so funny. You I'll take you so oh my gosh, like wait. I didn't remember you doing that bit yeah yeah yeah. It's okay. If I was listening, I want to start most broad day sister speaking of speaking of can't remember. Did you see that there is a lab that is run? I think it's forty three successful tests. 16:26 curing Alzheimer's. Did you see this what so they've done? I just don't like how you pivoted to that to be honest speaking of can't remember that was so what here's a re successful. This is my biggest fear. I think yeah curing it curing it yes, yes, like reversing yes, yes, so what they've what the test is is long story short and I'm going off memory here, so we'll see if I get this right. 16:56 But long story short, what, And they said that the reason why you have that deficiency gets blocked up. and then you can still remember. and they said within two weeks, or they said, 17:24 I think it was within a few hours their memories started to return and within two weeks their disposition returned to what their disposition was like before their the diagnosis and it's still very early. It's still only like 40 tests. So it's not enough to like be conclusive yet, right? But so far, like very early stage, like really, really positive signs that they can reverse Alzheimer's, which is bonkers. And honestly, 17:51 that's been my biggest fear my whole life. I feel like I'm been early onset Alzheimer's since I'm like eleven really and so I'm glad they're figuring that out because I'm tear. That's your biggest fear you've never told my biggest fear is going to prison for something I didn't commit. That's right. My second biggest fear never told me your ars before yeah I'm I'm to ever said that I'm pretty confident. I'm I'm pretty confident. I'm already on the road to it really you think so that is the first I don't know if dementia and also you've never told me this pretty sure they are, but why do you think that because I can't remember anything 18:20 Yeah, because like I was your wife will be like you don't ever say this yeah that's what happens that happens to you and our podcast yeah constantly you'll bring up bits and call backs and I'll be like I can't remember that yeah and and I do you're gas lighting me it would be something you would do, but it's not even it's not just this it's 18:41 I was such a just throw it out there. I mean we gaslight each other for fun. We don't gaslight each other. 18:51 master manipulators cannot be manipulated. What did I gas like you for yesterday? I guess that you for something or what I that was this morning right yeah about being cold in here. Yeah, you tried anyway. Yeah, you got really bad. I got to you. I got you yeah. I just never you've never brought up. Oh, I'm scared of it so I'm very scared of it so 19:17 you're doing it right now. You bring it up. You say it like I mean like not even on the podcast like in our normal conversations. You say it all the time. It's like probably the number one thing every day every day we're on the phone. You don't even say goodbye to him for you. Just go man. I hope I don't forget you. 19:36 I like you hope you don't forget me. I hope I always remember who you are. You hang up weird way to say you've done that since two thousand and nine teen dude, and I was like wow, it's a weird way to end the phone calls at first. I was like oh, it's like a bit you're doing that little mate thing. You're like all right, they yeah, but you started being like. I hope I always remember who you are and then you hang up 20:02 every day. You did it this morning. We talked on the phone this morning about how cold it isn't here. I was like made it so cold 20:13 hey buddy, not to be like super sentimental or whatever rise. I hope I never forget you. You're like honestly, I'm pretty annoying. I don't know to eat some bro. Freaking you have pepperoni and yeah dude, you've got a sack of pepperoni. She's trying to like what are you doing? I'm just making sure I don't forget all right. Okay, 20:43 yeah. My just needs a ton of protein and he says it's got. He doesn't want to forget this bag of pepperoni every holiday, every birthday, sir, you can't bring that in here. This is my birthday gift. 20:59 Oh my gosh yeah. So anyways, I guess I have told you that simulating it to yeah. I get the simulating into this other enclosure and they're trying to get. They put him in a small group. He's volunteer yours. That's how we got here. Yeah, yeah, that's how he got to join the worship. We got to eating pepperoni, so you don't forget yeah. It's just a logical path. No, so they put Ken in an enclosure 21:24 with a community. So there's three female orangutan and one male orangutan, which I think anybody was him yeah and him okay, and so I think anybody could see this and say that probably was an oversight okay, because pretty the I don't know what immediately they start competing for who's going to be yes. Yes, none of the reports and he's like a story. He's like dude. I can't beat you up, but I can lock your cage. I 21:54 I read a lot about this and none of the reports tell me the names of the female orangutans okay, but they all tell us the male's name is Otis, which which you've got can Alan, which sounds like the most whole schooled orangutan that exists and then you put them in a community with Otis. It's the kind of yeah yeah, so this has a face scar. He's got 22:21 you know a shin tattoo, yep a motorcycle yeah yeah, so Otis Otis and Ken are mortal enemies. That's my biggest fear. Dude is to get locked in a reggae tan cage with Otis with the with an array tag named Otis. What's your biggest fear? I think the Alzheimer's 22:49 So, Ken and Otis become enemies, but here's the thing. Yeah. So you know in the zoo, like when you go to the big enclosures and they've got the, you walk up to the railing and then it's like a big pit and they're all down there. Well, Ken one day realized, oh. 23:14 the this wall is like a brick wall. I can climb this yeah and so he does he climbs up that brick wall and he jumps over the railing oh no and then he just strolls through the zoo and he goes and he's looking at the animals. He's like oh my God. What are we doing? You're meant to run free free willy. Let's the whales out 23:43 that's the way I happen. It doesn't get a great water, rains, the water from the whale enclosure. He's like be free yeah. He's and why aren't you swimming? They're like they're flopping there. They can breathe though yeah. They don't flop. Do they do? Whales will flop. I would assume anything you put anything that swims on land at flops yeah, so he's walking around. He hits the the snack bar for sure yeah. 24:09 you know he's like blending in with a family they like she's like that's my husband. Hi, so funny, you know well, that's the thing he's he's super peaceful. He genuinely during the art like it's open. It's a bunch of zoos. There's a bunch of gas field trip there. Yes, yes, that's the only time we were rich. The zoo was on field trips really yeah. We weren't like a zoo family. Yeah, that's fair. We were a to be fair. You didn't have a great zoo. The because the park is it was fine. It's pretty. I guess I haven't been 24:37 it's okay. I just assumed it so I guess I guess I just assumed I just that's on yeah, that's on me. I just assume we had everything you could feed the giraffes out of your hand. They can lick all the way around and up your arm. 24:53 Okay, one of them they let you tongue kiss. 25:00 young kiss the dress. I know so much yeah, so we weren't allowed to because we were Christian, but they asked you before well, that was a zoo did not allow us. That's why we were the zoo. My mom said like we were not going to the zoo because I don't want to cause you to stumble by making out with a giraffe. 25:24 I hate the direction this is going right now. So so can you should keep the episode, so I don't keep doing tongue. Can I keep over here being like giraffe tongue down your throat? You know and you're like to tell me the stories. Let me keep going to get. You got to push through gets trying to get through the zoo. How we got here, get got out, can't got out 25:50 the zoo is open is the zoo's open. Everybody's seeing all the animals. Ken's walking around. He's looking at the drafts. He's the elephants and he's just strolling around like he's a park guest and people are stopping and they're taking pictures with him on their little disposable cameras like yeah, they're just taking photos with Ken like he's like 26:11 he's that's the thing he's just totally peaceful and finally some zookeepers notice and they're like wait is that ken allen or otis and so they go and they approach him and they expected him to put up a fight or it to be an issue. They were really nervous about this and now and he goes 26:32 so they do. They clear this little area in the zoo where he was at and they expected they were going to have to like tranquilize him or something and they approached him and he just he literally did that. They saw them and he just let them lead him back to his enclosure and they took him in his closure. They put him back and and that was like get back in there. He's like he's down the wall and they're like all right, so a couple days later 27:00 he does it again. He clives out of the enclosure and here's the thing they weren't sure how he did it this first time in spank him or anything, so he he was like. I guess I could do it again. Yeah, they were gentle. They were like a no no gentle Paris. I'll use that word. We're going to do something else right now. No sorry, we're going to do something else right now. 27:28 I understand how you feel. I hear you, please put the knife away. That's gentle parent, a yeah, so he he escapes again and this time he same thing walking around the zoo, getting pictures taken with people and I should clarify 27:49 the zoo was terrified when this first happened. The first is yeah. They were like oh we're done for yeah. We're gonna be a media fires gonna rip a kid apart. Well they were they were worried about the press. They weren't worried about the kids in the zoo. They were worried that the press was regattas attack. Is that a thing? I mean any wild any wild animal can attack, but Ken was a pretty peaceful animal. They knew that, but any animal that's a risk right, but they were more worried about the negative press that one of our right, one of our giant apes got out 28:19 one of our four foot five hundred and sixty pound apes got out, and so they were afraid for it to hit the press. Well, the next day it hits the press and it was super positive. Boomed. Yeah, it was super positive. The reception people were excited about it because the way that this was portrayed in the in the press was like it was like a bit like it was like a joke, and so they started calling him Harry Houdini, which is H A I R Y 28:49 Houdini, because they heard the story about him escaping when he was a child and getting out and it wait years. This he was born. This is like mid eighties when this is happening. Yeah, this seems like a pretty eighties thing to happen. Yes, yeah, so yeah. I was like Travis the chimpanzee hasn't had eighty eighty five when this happened. Yeah summer of summer of eighty five, which is honestly a very summer of eighty five of then right. I wasn't alive in summer eighty five, but honestly this fits yeah reggae tan summer and so 29:19 the so yeah San Diego gets pumped about yeah can and attendance spikes the rest of summer, because people are hoping to see Ken to see Ken Allen escape the hair. They go come here yeah and he's like hey, I'm not a freaking cat. What do you think I am that kid Alan's like hey, I'll hang out with you 29:45 I'm not a cat, but I'm not a cat. None of this. Yeah. Oh, you got a little, you got a little toy. 29:58 stop, stop it with that, stop it with that you're distracting me. You can't forget. I've seen the world. I've been out everyone's everyone, so especially it was so cool. It was so still is to be honest still so sick. 30:20 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. 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It's actually really hard to not join it so 31:21 June 13th, 1985 was his first escape. It hits the news, it becomes a big deal in San Diego. He gets dubbed the Harry Houdini, and it hits the streets. And so people started selling T-shirts that said Free Ken Allen. They started making bumper stickers that said Free Ken Allen. There was a fan club that was started, which, super sick, called the Orang Gang. Oh heck yeah. Love that. Yeah. 31:47 And so they were big fans of this guy. This guy. And so people started coming to the zoo with hopes that Ken was going to get out while they were there. But here's the thing, Ken realized that he was being watched. And so Ken, they, Ken was, Ken had like pretty regular like erratic behavior, I shouldn't say erratic behavior, but behaviors that the zookeepers didn't want him to have within the cage. 32:16 primarily with him like fighting Otis and but he wouldn't fight out us when the zookeepers were around yeah he he wait till they're on that he would just smack on us in the back of the head yeah pretty much and so he started to recognize who the zookeepers were because of their uniforms yeah it's a zookeepers actually started dressing like in street clothes so that way he wouldn't recognize them so that way they could catch him misbehaving the 32:46 redirect your energy yeah, and he was and he would say are you a cop? He told me a what the heck is this? You gave your under cover. Yeah, if you're got you got to tell me your license plate has to have caught on the license plate. I'm a sovereign citizen. You should have heard what I would have said 33:16 That wasn't part of the bit, but it fits so well. I hate that. 33:27 Oh, that's great so so for like the better part of a couple months, people are showing up, hoping to see Ken escape sure Ken doesn't do it for anyone. Can Ken's here, Ken's on his own. He's his own man until July, then the and then the zoo keepers like shoot. Do people are coming less and less. We got to get them their skin, so July twenty nine throws around okay, and he does it again. He climbs the wall gets out same thing, strolling the park, seeing the animals, taking pictures with guests. Everyone's excited. 33:56 And then he goes back to his enclosure there's something that they don't give me So he starts literally stoning Otis, And that's when the zookeepers were like, 34:22 I am a zoo keeper and he's like what he's like you said I told you I tell me you can't. I need your day in patch number. 34:32 and you got me doing that and and that's exactly what happened. The zoo keeper show up. He immediately turns himself in and they walk him back into the thing. I was so to notice you should everybody said though that guy yeah. Have you talked to Otis? He kind of dude is not even that the other the girls you put me with are hot. It's not even that it's just that they're the only ones it's just that Otis and it's like I didn't think I was going to like him at first, but they've grown on me. 35:01 you know, and now you know they're my angels and Otis is just there yeah. I don't like him and I don't like this yeah. I'm not a fan of any of this. I could honestly look at me in the eyes right now. I could leave yeah any time yeah. I choose yeah this life yeah and so 35:28 This event was one where they were like, okay, we need to figure this out. Okay, we need to figure out how to stop him because he is he is he's too good at this. He's escaping too much. Yeah. And so what they did is they separated him and Otis. Otis was going to go to a new enclosure. Otis is a Otis is a problem for him. And so trigger a trigger. Yeah, there you go. And then they said, okay, we're all going to put them into a different enclosure for a moment, though. 35:56 and we're going to renovate this enclosure. So they put him in solitary confinement actually and they gave him a tv, a black and white tv to watch black and white movies for like a week while they had an operation underway with his in yeah. They did give him a black and white tv. They let him watch movies for a week because well because they didn't want to torture him. Could you give like the the primates at a zoo like a smartphone and they would just get addicted to social media? I probably probably yeah, probably huh? 36:26 that's an interesting thing. Should we try no? I is torture. Let's just try it on teenagers and stay good idea. So they they put them in solitary. They take all the other girls out and then they go to renovate this. What they did is they hired a group of professional rock climbers to find and identify all the handholds on that wall and they rent a rock climber 36:53 and they identified all the handholds and they patched them with concrete and so they made the wall just essentially this big smooth wall and then yeah. That would have been the easiest thing to do and then they installed a moat and so he'd have to swim across the most enclosures have motes and then rambe had a moat and then to take it one step further. They put in an electric fence at the top of the wall and so they're like there's he doesn't have a chance now like he's got a swim. He's got a climb and he's got a 37:21 get shocked to make it through while he'll be wet at that point or I could just dress like one of you. 37:29 because you guys are dumber than I am yeah, because you all you're all stupid yeah, and so they let him back in an enclosure. They bring in two of the girls that he had before he's there. I like the other and this isn't as fun without Otis here to be honest. One of the I only liked them because I could get them to like me more than Otis now that it's just us. There's no competition. There's just the spark is gone. I realize now that I actually kind of liked Otis 37:58 and I just like beating Otis. So he escaped the enclosure, went to Otis' enclosure and he said, hey Otis, please don't forget me. No, he, one of the construction workers by mistake, left a bar, just some sort of bar and it like got covered up with some dirt or something like that. Sure. And he found it. And so Ken took that bar and he hid it under a rock and he waited for a time when none of the zookeepers were around. 38:27 and he took one of the female ring of things and he taught her how to use it and so he taught her hey. If you go to the window over here and you get underneath it, you can probably break the window and so I don't know how this session went. I don't know. I he probably wasn't like he's like hey, if you do this, you can break it over like, but he there were on record. The zookeepers are on record saying yeah. He taught the females how to break this window with this bar and so a couple days go by 38:57 she goes and she busts that window with that thing and he gets out again and he goes explores the zoo and same thing super peace girls stated the girls got out to the girls got out to the one of them. So here's what happened. All three of them cut out. He goes and he explores same thing, super peaceful. People are taking pictures with them. They're excited to see him. Yeah, they get him. They girls are balling there. I mean just throw and kids 39:27 kids pretty cool though. Kids pretty cool kids gets a cool one yeah. So they get them all back to it. So can peaceful just turns himself in one of the ladies peaceful turns herself in the other one. She runs and so they had to actually what's the word I'm looking tranquilize tranquilize. Thank you. They had a tranquilizer and then drag her back and then they sealed it. They took a metal detector and looked for other other items that were left behind, identified that there was nothing there 39:56 called it good, said, okay, we've got him. There was one more event where someone who was cleaning extended wooden squeegee. And so they climbed to the wall. 40:25 And so he climbed once, felt it, and he was like, oh yeah, forget that, and climbed back down. But he still climbs all the time, he just doesn't climb that fence. The ladies, when they found this squeegee stick, it's like a five foot extended squeegee stick. They're like, I bet we could push that fence up. They climbed, and they got to the top, and they hooked it over the top, and they climbed up the pole of the stick, and then hopped over the fence, and got out that way. And so the two of them got out. 40:48 without Ken and Ken was so mad. It was like you left me. Why I could leave a bar. We used to write Sid for this. 41:08 So same thing, they catch them, one of them trying to run, the same duo, same duo, so one of them tried to run, they have to, yeah, and they drag them back. And then it stops. For like two years, there's no event, nothing happens. People still love Ken, they still have the shirts, he's still kind of like a local icon, but there's nothing major has happened. Until one day, there was a perfect storm. 41:37 and Ken's hanging out in his enclosure, and there is an issue with the pump in the moat. And so they had to drain the moat out. And when they drained the moat out, Ken realized it was his time. Oh yeah. So Ken climbs the fence. No moat no more. And I don't know how he figured this out, but Ken climbs the fence. 41:58 and he climbs over to the edge where the wires connect to the fence to electrify the fence. And he takes a twig and he breaks that wire connection. So now it's not electrified anymore. And he climbs up the fence and out and over the fence and now he's free again. And he roams around, explores the whole thing. Same thing as always, taking pictures with people, super peaceful, having a good time, but then he sees them. He sees the shorts, he sees the vests. 42:26 and the little hats, the zookeepers, Ken and Alan, his namesake, and he sees them and things are a little different this time. It's been two years since he's got out and he says, I ain't going back. And so he sees them and he turns and he runs. And so he just starts sprinting across. And so now he is running through the San Diego Zoo, this orangutan, full speed. The zookeepers are chasing after him full speed. And the crowds are on Ken Allen's side. The... 42:53 there they're throwing up at the zoo keepers and they're tripping them. Yeah, they're like can can can can exactly and so it's like a mad house in there. Everyone that there's a huge mob like coming to see this. It's almost like a parade and everyone's cheering for him. He's running. They're chasing him. He's he's like dodging them, climbing up trees, jumping over them and stuff like that, like escaping these zoo keepers yeah and then it all comes to this kind of culminating moment right when 43:22 the zookeepers corner him near the lion pit and they're nervous that he's going to jump the fence and then obviously that doesn't end well for Ken. And so that's when they decided, okay, we need to take our chance real quick and they did tranquilize him and they got him back. And so after that they learned, okay, we can never have multiple things malfunction at once and have him in there or really have anything malfunctioning and have him in there because he'll find the vulnerability. So then from that moment on, whenever there was repairs, 43:50 or anything happening. He's got to go solitary confinement. He's got to go watch gone with the wind for a couple hours and then he can come back when everything's patched up. Yes, we're watching. I don't know. Just I don't know that old something I don't remember and so that was his last escape. That was his last time he got out, so he had what is that for escapes where he escaped the actual enclosures, but also when he was a child, he was possibly escaping, just unscrewing these bolts 44:20 And he became a folk hero for years. He was remembered and there was, they would run like commercials about him for the San Diego Zoo. And this San Diego Zoo jail and it's got his little number on it. But he was a hero in the zoo until 2001. Unfortunately, he passed away a little early because he had lymphoma. 44:46 and so they put him down, but they have a plaque dedicated to his honor to this day in a zoo. Oh, two thousand December first two thousand, but he's remembered as Harry Houdini with an eye and he is the probably the most intelligent a ring at hand that they've ever had in that zoo and wow yeah, he's a hero. That's crazy. They ran gang. That's pretty cool. Well, 45:15 Thank you for listening to this episode. 45:19 I hope I don't forget you. I hope that years from now I remember that you were here. 45:34 Bit of a laugh. 45:42 Hey, thanks for being here for this episode of things. I learned last night. I promise I will never forget you. If you liked this show, do you want more of it? We actually mentioned it in this episode. There is a episode about Travis, the chimpanzee who was a movie chimpanzee. 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