How to Win the Boston Marathon: Cheat | Rosie Ruiz Ep 270

04-22-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 this episode is a little bit more for our fans, so it really is like there's so much tangents and all that stuff. This one was a mess, this, but we also learned about Rosie O, Rosie, Rosie, Rosie, she's marathon runner. She is a marathon runner. I mean she did she did. She was the female winner of the Boston Marathon in 1980, so record holder yeah and she held on to that medal till the end of her life. So we did about we talk about how she won the race 00:29 and then the controversy that surrounded it. So this episode comes out when who knows man, April 22nd, yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so this again, I'm on tour in June. I've got some dates sometime 00:49 Come to one for real. Come to the shows. That'd be great. All my shows as always, jerrymire.com slash shows. Some of the cities I know for sure I'll be in. Then I can lose. I can't tell you the dates, but I can loosely be like Coleman, Alabama, Houston, Texas, Jacksonville, Florida, Charlotte, North Carolina. And you're like, didn't you just go to Florida and Texas? I also said the same thing to the tour people. I said, didn't we just do this? And so those, that's, that's where we'll be at. 01:17 Austin, Texas is one of the places, so. Love it. Going to get weird. Yeah, Austin's not as crazy as it used to be, right? Austin, like there used to be a stereotype around Austin, Texas and that's not, I think. I think now it's like a comedy hub. That's great. Yeah. See this tangent right now? This is what you're in store for. All right, let's get to the episode. 01:43 Hey man, what's up? We ever heard of Rosie Ruiz, Rosie Ruiz, Rosie Ruiz. Oh man, so is there her stage name? O'Donnell, man, is that what's happening? No, but but I know Rosie Ruiz. Here's a picture of her. We'll see if you can guess what she does based on her photo. I love doing this Rosie Ruiz. What do think she does? It's a shockingly good photo considering the era like you can tell what era considering 02:13 Is she a lawyer? That's a good guess. I think that's a pretty good guess. Well, here I'll give you another one for showing up for court. She did something. She's a murderer. I'll show you another one yeah. Okay, so she's she is she's the center of the trial of whatever is happening. Okay, so what is looks very guilty. She looks like super guilty. She just looks like this is the photo that they run on the news. You know yeah yeah so rosy Ruiz. Well, actually you know what I what are you talking about? 02:43 So really, really, clearly she's on trial, you know, are you all right? What is that? Work out in this morning? No, I didn't. I can tell. Oh my God. Okay, here, let's just Rosy Ruiz. You got chubby cheeks. Oh my gosh. Should we run? we run around? Should we pick up the chairs and run a couple laps around the table? Real quick face. Should we run around the table? A couple of voice. 03:10 and ultimately, ultimately the only remedy is for you to follow Christ. No, I what this is right, whatever this is right now, always for Christ. Oh, it's a call back. Oh, I don't even know what that we don't know what that call back in that episode like a week ago. We recorded that and this is not a joke yesterday. 03:33 so like you listen to it. You're like oh, that's a call back from a couple weeks ago. That episode a long time ago. Wow! What a deep call back. This is a mere. This is less than a twenty four hour call back for Tim. You understand what I'm saying? I don't remember. You don't remember boys for Christ. You remember the whole way like he let her drown and then they open the o car and started reading because it was the BFC. That's right. This is literally yesterday, dude, 04:03 she's yes. If I was a kid now, I'm wondering if I not it was a genuine concern that I was like you're talking like so Rosie is okay. We need some jumping jacks or something yikes. Okay anyways, I guess we'll talk about Rosie Ruiz. There you go. There's a Rosie Ruiz. She let's we'll start it here. We'll start it here and those in what year is this 04:32 nineteen seventy nine she ran question okay color photos yeah when what do mean when when did they happen when because why are we seeing so many pictures that the seventy's they had colored pictures yeah that's a good point that's a good point because I don't say if this is nineteen seventy nine 04:54 Yeah, like why are we black and white pictures? These are, think these are newspaper photos. I think that's why they look so good and then they're black and white because they're printed in black and white. Okay, but we do have color photos. I'll show you some color photos when we get into it. Actually, I'll show you a color photo right now. Maybe this will tell you what she who she is. She's covered in blood. Maybe this will tell you who she is. This is actually one with the police in this photo. Hey, 05:23 Oh, she's a marathon runner. Yeah, why are you talking like this? Dude, this is what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be mean to you right now. I'm like oh, she's a marathoner yeah. Okay, I don't know man, so in nineteen seventy nine, she ran the New York City Marathon and she placed eleventh overall with a time of 05:52 two fifty six twenty nine okay, which is fast, very fast. There's enough for her to qualify for the Boston Marathon nine minute pace, right? I don't know how many miles is a marathon. Do you know off the six point two? Yeah, so yeah, I don't know what the math is on that. I didn't do the math, but it's quick. So she she finished with that time two fifty six twenty nine, which placed the eleventh overall almost three hours to run twenty six miles. So 06:22 that's that seven minutes, that's eight minutes, eight and two third minutes, which I remember it's run a nine minute pace. I guess I mean, I remember in high school, if you could run an eight minute mile, people were like this good job. That's what everyone said. Oh, that's a good job. All the peers was the sign at our good job. If you were in good job, oh, you were that the kids, the kids, 06:49 you finish the mile. The kids go like you did it all in unison to just a bunch of high scores going crazy. Honestly, if you imagine imagine being a it's you're not even a a one you're like an a is that a do they say a gosh has been so long since I've been in high school. Is that what they do a a five five a I got it backwards you're you're a 07:16 3A high school. You're not even the top of the list, right? You're a 3A high school, play basketball. You're, you know, at an away game at some other high school. Student section is all there, but for some reason they aren't rowdy, but every time something happens in their favor, the whole student section, 200 kids, the full bleacher in unison, just the terrifying. Yeah, 07:47 I love that. I love that when you started doing this bit, I was like I'm going to do it. Yeah, no, I'm saying like they're all just standing there watching the game like this. Yeah, just completely like that's yeah. At least it's better than 08:11 and then they go back. Have you watched the did you watch the documentary, the North Korea documentary, the something sun rising sun, something like that. You know, I'm talking about where like the camera crew got access and then in the editing they showed the parts that that was supposed to get edited out. Oh, you see that? No, I didn't see it, but I love that idea. Yeah, it's phenomenal because it's literally like they got access to North Korea to make a propaganda documentary. Yeah, but then they just showed all the other parts 08:40 of like them waiting for the bus and literally the people being like okay go and like people started walking and pretending to be part of the normal. Yes, it's interesting eerie, but like the fact that the whole crowd claps. That was what that was. That's a normal. do. Yeah, they literally go and they all stop in unison. They don't do that. I don't think they're not freaking storm troopers, but they like 09:07 Yeah 09:12 I just forever. Do you think that because of the like melting pot nature of our nation? That wasn't what has inspired. That's what starts to sound like because we're not all the same. You know, it's a sound a little well. What I'm saying is like our culture is where a bunch of cultures that are like supposed to in theory co together in unison. Yeah, yeah, but I think what 09:41 has actually happened is that it's like island off yeah and then and it and almost like, but then we end up like so like then we end up with a bunch of people who belong to no island really. That's what I'm saying yeah and then they and then there's like and then that fuels this. I don't know what to this I guess racism and nationalism sure because it's like 10:05 I think there is, think there's, I think there's a desire that people have to want to be part of a unified culture. Yeah. And the problem is, is that the people who are a little loudest about wanting to unify the culture are like, yeah, and that culture has to hate gay people and like has, and you're like, hold on. Yeah, I'm all like, yeah, let's unify the culture. Let's say the political, I'm proud to live in this country. Sure. But also does that mean I have to be like, and if you're 10:31 proud of your heritage in any way that takes away from this, then you're anti this. And it's just like, Oh, I don't think I'm on board for that. And so, but I do agree with what you're saying. Yes, it ends up being a bunch of different islands. And then I, I mean, I think, I think it's the 23 and me stuff is like, you know, talking to my wife about like, we don't, we can't easily track our grandparents, great grandparents. We can't track that back to like, we're 11:01 Irish or weird German or where this like we're just a hot as sure so much so much of like so many people who live here and like their families always lived here. They don't have a bigger story like they don't have like the connection to their ancestors because they don't know who they are like we are all our generation of people who've whose family has always lived here like I don't know. 11:29 what my great gram, I don't even know my great grandparents names. So I, but I think that's what I'm saying is that I think that that's the symptom of the culture that we have built is that we've so prioritized us. Like we don't even, we don't think about our great grandkids anymore either. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't, yeah, we don't think about it as far as like the part of the whole, or that we're part of a larger story. We think of it as I'm living right now. Yeah. And that's, and I think that's because of the, um, 11:59 I don't want to blame one generation, but there's a couple generations that came before us who were the most selfish in American history and and boom all the things are bad. It does, but no, these are things were already bad. It doesn't read like it does breed this. This I don't know. It breeds this. I don't want to pay taxes because it's just for me. You know what I'm saying? Like any program that other people to a task conversation, 12:29 No, what I'm saying is like it's it's pushed the community so so so so so so so so so small sure that it's like everyone on the outsides the outside and almost an enemy and dangerous. mean yeah you saw that I think you saw that during coven when people were like me and mine taking care of me and mine and like this whole like what's the what's the movement call where people are buying homesteading yeah you know 12:52 They're just like, I'm just going live out here and take care of me and mine. You're like, you're a freaking isolated prepper is what you are. so, but yeah, I think the longing that people have is one, to be part of a bigger story than themselves and two, to be part of a community that's also living in that story. And as the American church has been deteriorating over the past several decades, that used to be one of the unifying factors. Another unifying factor was that 13:16 Same thing with like people used be part of a job or a career and they would work at that company for fifty years. Being a part of that company and its growth was part of their story. Now people are job hopping every couple of years because it's so individualistic and island life right and also because you can't have it also because it doesn't pay off the same way because where doesn't view you as part of the bigger story. Yeah, exactly. Your employer views you as a as a call ability to get to that thing. Yes. Yeah. And so 13:46 Yeah, there's I think to try to be like oh, it's because of the melting pot thing or because it's it's there are so many other factors and so much stuff that came together to create this awful spot that we're in yeah where it's hard to make friends now because friendship requires that I care about your well being, whether it's 14:13 whether it involves me or not. My love for you is that I want the best for you, whether that's not at the expense of myself even, just like I want what's best for you. And so that's hard to do in a society where we're all just kind of thinking about what I need to do. Also, I would love to have the extra money or time to invest in friendships and community. Don't have it. 14:43 You you want to go out to lunch with your friends, that's a hundred dollars. Yeah, for real, for real. And you're like, oh, okay, I can do that once a month or once every other month. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like, oh, well, why don't you just go to each other's houses? Well, we live freaking 40 minutes apart because the rent sucks and it's hard to find a place to live. Yep. Okay. Well, you know, still you could probably make the drive and go hang out at each other's houses. Yeah. But then I also got to clean up my apartment. 15:12 which takes time, is the energy that I do not have when I come home from my job. That's what I'm saying. There's so many other, and those aren't just excuses. Those are just things that are like, man, we don't have friends over. I got to go clean my house. Because like right now I'm just getting by most nights. And then we get, you you open social media and it's like, hey, you lazy sack of crap. Oh, you're going to sit. You are kind of lazy though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 15:41 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 15:53 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:25 so she had a time of two hours, fifty six minutes and twenty nine seconds like an eight and half. Are you get into this man? Oh really quick? Okay, she plays the eleventh overall yeah in New York and the New York City Marathon. Good time, good sure right and it was good enough to qualify her for the Boston Marathon and here's the thing about the Boston Marathon. The New York City Marathon was founded, I think in nineteen seventy so in seventy nine 16:53 It was a very new thing running those things forever. It does well. The Boston Marathon is the oldest marathon in the country. It's been running since the eighteen nineties and so yeah that marathon. Why did it take New York like a hundred years to be like hey, we should do one of those? I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't tell you, but Boston was like the prestigious one. It still is like it's the big one and so you to qualify for that stuff. Yeah, you don't just get to run into the race and so she qualifies for the Boston Marathon. 17:20 but not a New York marathon. Well, no, she she qualified for the New York marathon. Oh, okay, okay, okay, and we'll get into kind of the story about how she qualified in a minute, but she does the Boston Marathon is the where she she hit someone in the kneecap. What is Tanya Harding? It was a it was an ice skating. Oh, do know about Tanya Harding? Maybe maybe I'll do an episode about Tanya. Okay, okay, sure. That sounds like vaguely familiar. The name sounds familiar. 17:47 anyways yeah in April, nineteen eighty. So just a few months later, she runs the Boston Marathon and she finishes this marathon with a time of two hours and fifty six minutes. No two hours and fifty six minutes was New York. Great. Have you been paying attention? I told you this already. I snuck it in while you were ranting taxes, so I was straight to camp. Here's what's public education all of them and then you went two hours, thirty seven minutes. 18:17 No, it was she finished with a time of two hours, thirty one minutes, fifty six seconds and so her time said you said thirty seven and so she placed first and it was the she won the boss of marathon. Yeah, it was the fastest female time in Boston Marathon history and it's also the third fastest female time ever recorded in any marathon ever. So this was a stunning performance, especially because of the fact that 18:47 she did just a couple months earlier on Marathon time of two hours and fifty six minutes to sort of cut twenty five minutes yeah in four months. That's is very awesome. It's very impressive. Yeah. So she finishes that race and she comes into the finish line and we see this. We see this picture. I'm no marathon runner, but I know that's not possible. Yeah. So she finishes this Marathon. She's very clearly huffing and puffing also police to carry her what never mind. We're gonna let it go. She needs the police to carry her into into the 19:16 the finish line yeah and and this these two are the most nineteen eighty cops. You could even imagine like look at the guy on the right. Is he going to chew it? They both have chew it and for yeah, I was doing that the other day. I thought I saw someone on my flight that had chew. Are you allowed to do chew on a plane? I wanted you. I can eat on a plane. I don't know where you have to swallow it though. 19:47 Sir, saw some way you can do that here, but you got a there was somewhere else that I saw someone have chew in and I was like one to have chew here yeah for sure. Okay, yeah you can do you can chew wherever you want. Is that it? I think so. What's those in pouches people are all about? Yeah, it's a chew in a pouch. Is that what it is? Yeah, it's just two in a pouch. That's crazy. It's a little clean like it's cleaner to deal with. I think so many people who are 20:16 All the young and are into it. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. You get that little nicotine hit. Yeah, that's crazy. I say as I answer from my second Celsius of the morning. Are you serious? That's your second. Yeah, shut up. No, it's not. When'd you eat their first drink the first? Well, I ate the first one. 20:36 on my drive down. That's crazy. Should I not be drinking? I feel a little bit like let's go perfect. I'm going to fight someone over our tax system, so she so she gets her least stand up with a little sign her little all I go branch. No, no, no, 20:54 lie, false, so stupid dude. Oh, so she gets her little crown and her little crown and they take her to the podium. They give her one of those space blankets and they take her to the podium. So she's sitting at the she she gets the podium. She gets her metal. This was the secret. Oh, it was my nose. Yeah, smell the finish. That's not what she that's not the joke I was making. 21:20 is the dude and so every runner was on co nexter is the the first place male yeah and so third it's sitting there doing the press conference right yeah and I have to legally get married. I think is what the boss are. It's like they're like the queen of Boston. Now whoever wins this race has to kiss. Congratulations, you graduate, you know, kiss that guy. It was the eighty. 21:50 you know that's what a lot of people think that that war hero in the in the nurse. Oh like that's what that picture was. Yes, one a mare. They just won the marathon. They the kiss. So that's Bill Rogers, Bill Rogers. He is like a legend in the marathon world. I think oh he won four straight New York City marathons, three straight Boston marathons and he was an Olympian and so he's like a big time. Yeah, he's marathon runner and he was consistently like we was his time for the New York Marathon. 22:20 for the New York for that one that they won together. He did it in two hours and twelve minutes. Oh okay, he beat. So he beat a lot, but she was the fastest woman in that race, so he so just to work clear of how the Boston Marathon worked. He crosses the finish line. Yeah, there's not a single other person for twenty minutes. 22:41 Oh no, no, I'm sure there's other men who finished, I guess, probably yeah, yeah, there's probably yeah, it wasn't. She didn't get second place overall. Yeah, she got okay. She was the first woman to finish yeah and the Boston Marathon is interesting to actually and that's how they time to is that every minute that a man runs is actually you know every minute that a woman runs is point seven a half long. Yeah, so the time is a little skew. a little yeah, it's a little different no, but the Boston Marathon is interesting. I don't know if you knew this and let see if I can find this picture. The Boston Marathon 23:11 it's it's. I don't know what the right way to say this is, but it's like it's coed. So you have at the same time you have men and women running and they're all getting their different times and they're getting medals for their. think everyone knows what coed means. Well, I guess not everyone you guys went to a crappy little public school, didn't you? So I'm just in it now angry. So they have all their like 23:38 their different times and their different podium, but it's also a different ability level at the same race too. So it's like you're in the marathon with with the people, disabilities and wheelchairs, which is very interesting. I never knew that. I don't know how long they've been doing that, but this is that this is the same marathon that she ran in, which honestly that's way more impressive to me. You know how mad I would be. It is. It is pretty crazy for you to be running a marathon and be at pace with someone in a wheelchair. 24:04 Like that's what I'm saying. That's pretty. That's like whenever I ran at the YMCA track in in Springfield, that outdoor track they got and there was this guy who had to be a hundred and twelve who was out there and he passed me and I literally stopped and went to my car. I was like I can't do this. I can't, I can't let this ancient Jerry act trick bag of bones run past me and keep my confidence. I can't do it. 24:34 I had to go home. I was like, know what I'm good at lifting all live. I bet he can't lift more than me and then he could and I had to I had to drive to my car and I had drive to my car. I guess I had to go to my car and I cried and I was like wow, I got out lifted and you had to be like I it can't eat more Mcdoubles than me. Yeah, that's what I had to do. I had to start doing eating competitions. I saw this on some way to win. I this on a podcast the other day. I'm going to ask you this because I'm curious what your opinion is. Do you think 25:03 what would you rather do? You know who John Jones is? Nope. I'll show you a picture of them. Okay, if you're listening and you don't know, John Jones is like a world champion UFC fighter, a freak, freak of a specimen like heavyweight or like heavyweight yeah and just massive. This is this if it has some force perspective. 25:32 What was that guy? What was the big UFC fighter when we were kids? What was his name? Not like Kimba or something like that Kimbo slice Kimbo slice. Was he UFC? Was or was he W? I thought he was like a real fighter. Yeah, I think was he a boxer? Did he do USC? He was big right? He might have done USC. Yeah, he did do USC. You're right. You're right. Yeah, he was huge. He was huge. So here's here's the the question. 26:01 Here's here's John Jones. Okay, I love the not like huge though. Yeah, he might cut weight for this honestly, because he does look a little small. He's very, he's very yeah. I mean he's he's jacked. Don't get us wrong, but he's not like, you know, so the question is, would you rather get in the ring and fight John Jones? Okay, okay. Or would you rather get in the ring and hold on? Let me show you the other guy and see if he you 26:30 or would you rather compete against your this guy? Would you rather compete in? Would you rather compete against this guy? Oh and in competition at Joey chestnut, I think I could beat Joey chest or John chestnut or John John Jones. You're not going to fight Joey chestnut. I'm going to fight Joey chestnut. That's easy. 26:55 I could beat the crap out of Joey chestnut. No, no, no, that's not the question is would you rather I rather UFC fight John Jones, John Jones, yeah or would you rather hot dog eating contest? Joey chestnut, I think I'd rather hot dog eat contest golly. Hey, first of all, yeah, you need to recognize he's a world record holder. 27:16 I don't know if you know this, but he listen out listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, 27:35 if you're in a hot dog getting contest against Joey chestnut and you realize pretty quick. I don't know a couple hot dogs in that you're not going to win this thing. You can just stop. You know saying like you can just leave. I dogs don't have to hurt you. I don't have to hurt you. Is easy to say that's what I'm saying like, but if you're in a ring with John Jones, you're only your only way out is submission. 28:03 Yeah, yeah, you either get knocked out or you tap out. Yeah, you could you could to grapple to still a floor go quick. You just sit down immediately. Isn't you look really bad? You look so bad for that, but in a hot dog kind of you can try to fake it and be like I'm really trying and like really slowly eat these hot. I'm like yeah, yeah, you know, and then you only down seven to his seventy three. That's not the thing though. It's like it's like you have to put in max effort. 28:30 whatever it is you're putting max. I'm saying you're going max effort. You're going with the hot dog. You're like okay, I'm doing I'm doing it, but when you realize there's a point where it's like it's kind of like you know kind of like the third quarter of the super bowl when you realize this isn't turning around. Yeah, okay, let's not ship the pressure a little bit here. It's not just you're getting a lot to get here. Not just hold on. I thought you're not just trying to see who like what get in the ring and right. You're not just it's you have to win in one of these 28:59 or you die and so you're fighting for your oh it's Joey just under John Jones. Who do you feel like you have better odds against fighting John Jones or eating more hot dogs than Joey chestnut, which reminder Joey chestnut has eight eighty three hot dogs and less than ten minutes before sure I'm saying either way. 29:22 you win, but at what cost you know it's like it's like dude, it's like the end of in order to game. John Jones, you got to bite his ear off. You don't say like you got to play super dirty. What did it beat him? But then you're also like a couple of broken bones. You're pretty roughed up your beat. Yeah, yeah, you beat Joey chestnut, but you've had to eighty four hot dogs in ten minutes. You're pretty 29:52 roughed up yeah. You're you might never hear of the brink of death either way yeah yeah for sure for sure and really what it comes down to is you should in this scenario start to question what kind of system set me up that either way I could really win that to win. I would really have to I would have to and you should start questioning the system and that's what happens when you think about these scenarios for more than twelve seconds. Okay, but honestly I think 30:22 I think this is going to sound crazy. You think you could be John Jones because you're stupid. You're a now. think somehow the odds are a little bit better with John Jones than they are Joey chestnut. I don't think I have a physical possibility yeah, I I think I more window of luck with John Jones. think so too, because like I think it's very well placed hit or a misplaced hit on his part. I've you yeah yeah, when it break their leg, you I thought we yeah 30:49 there's more room for error in that fight, but also you could die. Yeah, very. I mean, yeah, your odds are not good, but somehow they're a little better. There's somehow a little better anyways. That was really worth that. Thanks. So Rosie, she finishes this race and that's okay. I don't, I don't imagine anyone's really looking up Rosie. You know what saying? Like some of our topics, like if we did all this in like the freaking Montauk project episode or something, 31:18 that'd be a little different. This is one of those stories where it's like no one's here for rosy. I'm here for rosy okay. Bill Rogers is on the podium mixer who would want rosy bill bills. Jesus would want. No, it was the Matt Chandler, sir, you know talking about. I thought you were doing the grab us. I know yeah I was doing anyways, so bill 31:45 Give us Rosie. is getting his medal and he's on the podium and he's looking over at the women's podium at Rosie and he's like, you look weird. He's looking at her and he's like, she's wearing sleeves and he's like, sleeves. Yeah. He's like, he's like elite runners. We don't wear sleeves if you're running at this level. Yeah, they'll go sleeveless because you chafe. Okay. And so she's like, she's like, that's not he's like, that's curious. And he looks at her legs and she's like, and he's like, those aren't 32:14 the runners legs. I wasn't going to say that you pulled this picture. I was like well look and then I stopped myself because I was like I'm I'm not trying to body shame Rosie, but yeah she does not have the appearance of here to be a person of an elite runner lives in the cardio space. Yeah, she doesn't look like an elite marathon runner because like here these are runners and their legs are just like in their arms. Everything about them is scrawny here. 32:42 because they're running more. Their legs are more muscular and their their limbs are are scronny because they run so much. Yeah, it goes over to her and he asks her and he goes, hey, why your legs so bad? do you look like that? You know, he also notices she's like, he's like, you're you look like you've been running right, but you don't look like you've been running a marathon. Like you're not that sweaty. You're not he in and he goes, he goes 33:11 How far did you actually run? 33:15 he's like he's like hey, what kind of shoes do you wear? You smell like beef and she will know that's a reference. People don't know that people don't know, so he confronts her essentially yeah. He comes over and he says he says hey, a twenty five minutes to shave off your time in four months is kind of crazy crazy. What'd you do? And so he says have you been doing intervals and she's like she's like yeah, she's like I don't know what that is and she and he's like what are your splits and she's like I don't know what that is and so a bunch of the other runners start 33:44 talking to her and being like. I don't understand how she did this. Who's your trainer and she's like I'm so just run and she's like I don't have a trainer. I'm just doing it. I'm training on my own and then so there's a reporter after the ceremony. All this stuff is happening. The reporter comes to talk to her and is like is like hey, a performance yeah incredible. You shaved twenty five minutes off your time at the New York City Marathon just a few months ago. How do you do it? Who's your trainer and she's like I don't have a trainer. I'm doing it on my own self trained yeah, self taught 34:14 And then she's like, that's crazy. She's like, you been doing speed intervals? there's a video of her and she says, everybody's been asking me that. I don't know what those are. And she's like, oh, she's like, well, typically you would think that someone who increased their time so much. at this caliber. would be doing some sort of speed training. It's pretty impressive that you were able to shave that much time without having any training. then on that video, she asked us, what are your splits? And she's like, I'm going be honest, I don't know what those are. I can't do the splits. 34:45 What she's like? I would say I would say my favorite are banana enough. like but and so like banana splits are pretty overrated to be honest very as a fat guy. Let me tell you the best ice cream desserts is just like a normal like scoop ice cream with some chocolate syrup on it. When you over complicate it with others like you put maybe some more o crumbles on that thing 35:11 you put gummy worms in there straight, mea worms mess that you like. That's terrible. Like it's just like yeah, because gummy worms and ice cream. It's like oh, it's like the what do they call that? Like they're like oh, it's like mud right because the mud and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All it happens is the gummy worms get hard. They do get and then you put them in your mouth and then yeah, I like four hundred pounds. If you need other tips on how to be a fat person, this is tips from a fapper. That's what we're doing. 35:42 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 36:11 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 36:43 So another curious thing about this race, some of the other female can contenders asked her what they thought what she thought of the neighborhood of well is Lee well this Lee okay, because two things one well is Lee beautiful neighborhood running through sure yeah beautiful neighborhood, obviously like a very cool side of Boston, but there's a college there that is known for whenever the women runners come through. They lose their minds for all the female runners and she did not 37:11 didn't mention that at all yeah. They're like. What do you think of well? They lose their minds for all the female runners like an a for them way it's positive yeah. Okay, totally supportive. They're not like we calling it's not cat calling. They're like you think of that very support. were throwing beads at you. No, it's very supportive, very supportive, okay, okay, okay, yeah, and she did not mention it at all. She was like it was a very pretty neighborhood. She's like this beautiful neighborhood yeah and they're like 37:41 not weird. And then there was an interesting thing because at the 17 mile mark, Patti Lyons said that she was told that she was second among the women. And at the 18 mile mark, Jacqueline Garreau was told that she was first among the women. And so to be that close to the end of the race, to be told that you're leading the pack and then to end up having someone else beat you and not just beat you but like crush you, is very surprising. And so there was a lot of questions starting to come out. 38:11 over the subsequent days an investigation was started because they were like there's no way that she actually did this and pulled this off and long story short what they started doing is they interviewed a bunch of people that were there they asked some questions to a lot of other runners and this ends up going to a court case and in the case there is it like a prize for winning. I don't think there's like a cash prize but I think that like they do get medals. I don't know if there is a cash prize actually I feel like there would be 38:41 Let's see it's a lot of work to not get paid. There is, but they didn't start doing it until eighty six. Okay, yeah and so that was just for the men yeah so and that's now it's a hundred thousand but oh my gosh, but to go from nothing to build it up towards like that's a full time because that's what I'm saying. There's people who like their full time job is to win marathons yeah yeah and I mean if you run enough marathons like yeah, especially if they're pricing mass yeah yeah and you can get sponsored. I bet 39:11 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you got to sponsorships, but anyways, so this ends up going to a court case. So we saw that picture. This is the like one supporter she ever got and this started to clearly bother her. She was very upset that people did not believe that she ran this marathon and so this was making national news. I love watching scammers cry. This made national news and a lot of people were digging into her and her story and trying to figure out what's going on. How do yeah and so 39:39 to find out how this happened. We have to go back to the beginning. She was born in Havana, Cuba. How long are we in this episode worth? We're thirty eight minutes in world fifty nine. Oh my we've got a little bit out though. 39:53 and she was born in nine to fifty three in Havana, Cuba, shortly after she moved to Memphis, Florida, which I've got a picture of Memphis, Florida, not Memphis, Memphis, Florida. Looks like this 40:08 We had so much to get to. Now Memphis, Florida, she moves to Memphis, Florida, is there for only a couple years and then she moves to Hollywood, Florida because she was separated from her mother and ends up living with her aunts and uncles and grows up there ends up going to Wayne State College in Nebraska and she graduates with a music degree useless degree. 40:37 Okay, she got just a music degree, but maybe most noteworthy thing in her whole story is while she's in college, she's in a car accident as a pretty severe car accident. She gets a traumatic hand injury and shortly after, I don't know if it's a result of the head injury. Maybe I don't know, but she ends up being diagnosed with a brain tumor, but it's benign, but it is a fairly large tumor brain tumor. And so 41:05 they leave it because they think it's more dangerous because benign it was more dangerous to try to get it out than it was to just leave it. So she's living her life with this brain tumor now benign but a brain tumor. And so in the 70s after she graduates she moves to New York City where she gets a job with metal traders a commodities firm and she's just kind of doing like admin work for them. And she really out of the blue was like I want to run in the New York City Marathon. 41:33 And so she tried to qualify for it, but she didn't qualify for the marathon. So she calls the marathon operators, and this is months before the marathon starts, the organization that runs it. She calls them and she says, Hey, I have brain cancer. This is my make a wish. I would love to run the marathon. And they said, okay. 41:57 Okay, and so they let her run the marathon and so she shows up, they have marathon. All our coworkers are like super supportive. They're like very excited to see her run in this marathon because I don't know if she's told them she has brain cancer too. She doesn't. I mean she has a tumor but she's not like so she has brain cancer. mean I guess yeah but it's not like it's benign, you know. Oh and so she goes and she runs in this race. 42:25 she starts the race yeah and she starts this race earnestly. She just I think she believes she could do it. She gets that she's not a run gets a couple hot dogs in realizes she's not going to win this battle, so she sits down and taps out on the floor. She goes like what are you doing people that bring answer? Let me do it all right. They let you do it when you're breaking and so she runs a few miles and she starts to realize this is harder than I thought it was going to be. 42:52 Yeah, so she's in the middle of this running one miles pretty it's pretty hard and so she runs and she she's running and she notices the subway station and so she just kind of slows down and sneaks her way into the subway gets on the train and takes the train to central park, which is near the finish line, takes the train all the way to central park and she feels like oh there's 43:19 enough people here, like this is a crowded city. There's a lot going on. she just was going to sneak back in and to the finish line. She didn't mean to win. Yeah. So a matter of fact, she's talking to another girl on the subway who's a freelance photographer. Yeah. And the freelance photographer is like, are you here for the marathon? She's like, yeah. And she's like, I am. I'm going to go photograph the finish. And she's like, that's awesome. She's like, I actually injured my ankle. And she's like, I was running it, but I injured my ankle. So I'm just, I'm just taking the subway to the end. She's like, I'm done. 43:49 fully intending to just sneak back into the race. Yeah, took the subway. She gets there and she waits for like more runners to pass by and then she just sneaks out of the crowd and just starts running again and then finishes. And so in the New York Marathon, she finished 11th overall the time of two 59 right and 29 seconds, which was still a very good time. Like she, I think what happened here was she was embarrassed that she went out for this and realized she couldn't finish. 44:18 And so she just snuck into the finish and then she gets what is a pretty good time. And so the marathon runners say, hey, you qualified for the Boston Marathon. You should run in it. And then she's like, oh no, I don't. So she goes, yeah, she goes in. Oh no, I don't think I should do that. But her boss, super supportive, is like, oh no, you should do that. Like that's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Like you should have you had an incredible time. You should do it. 44:48 and she's like, oh no, I couldn't even afford it. I couldn't even get out there. I'll pay for it and yeah, her boss is like, I'll pay for it. I'll cover room board, everything go out there, go run in the race, go do it. And so she's what I'm saying too though. Why do you have to win it? You know, saying like, why wouldn't you, if you're like, okay, I know that I'm lying. Yeah, just get 27th place. So she goes and she runs in this race and the same thing. She runs a couple miles and then sneaks into the Boston subway system and then 45:16 takes the subway and what she does here can do that in the Midwest. We don't have public transportation can't cheat the kids in city marathon. Yeah, we're going to take the street car. What are you going to take an uber actually and so she takes the takes the subway near the end near the finish line and she kind of miscalculates the time she thinks she doesn't plan on winning. 45:41 She's like, I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to come in at the middle of the pack. It's going to be whatever. then so she's sitting there waiting. She sees a few of them and run by and she thinks, okay, it's been long enough. And so she, I guess just jumps the barrier and starts running again and runs into the finish line a couple of miles. And then you, see the pictures, the police come out to help her in. Uh, and she is shocked that she wins first place. 46:08 and it's very clear you can see her reactions when she starts getting the crown at it and the metal she's like blown away, but she's like it's kind of that. Oh, I'm into deep sort of situation. You got to like lead in where so she just like starts living and continuing the lie and there's also kind of the like weird gray area where it's like oh my boss paid for this because he thinks I can do this and I'm really good and then I accidentally won this race and so she gray area. I think it's just pretty clear 46:39 So she gets the medal and then they do this eight day investigation and in that investigation they interview a lot of people, they talk to a lot of people, they ask her a lot of questions. And then they actually do some tests on her and as a part of the test they actually do like actual like physical tests on her and so they find out that her resting heart rate is 76 beats per minute. so I mean for a world-class runner you'd 47:06 but expect like should be yeah, and so everyone's like there's no way way you're you went from two fifty takes to two thirty one and you're resting already seventy six as there's not a chance, and so they they're doing all these investigations for brink and then a and then a couple hard harvard students come forward and they say hey. We actually saw her jump out of the out of the crowd about a half mile from the finish. 47:31 and continue running. And that was kind of the testimony that was like, she faked it. So they end up rescinding her, her win. And they gave it to the girl who was next in line, which was Jacqueline Garreau. And so she became the first place winner, but Rosie still like was so doubled down. She refused to acknowledge it. And she said, they're taking my win away from me. And she refused to return her medal. And so she held onto that medal until the day she died. 47:59 and she continued to hold on to the fact that whatever who cares what are they going to rip it out of your hands as she continued to tell everyone she won that marathon shortly after New York City did their own investigation as well because they're like oh you probably aren't and they found that freelance photographer and the freelance photographers like yeah she rode the subway half the race like more than half the race with me and she told me she was injured and so then they took away her win there when all of this 48:28 blows up. This is like a week long thing. It's in the news. Everyone's talking about it. Everyone's taken side. Is it rosy? Is it whatever? Is it rosier versus Boston Marathon? Who won? Who's the, who's the guy when this all breaks her boss is like, Hey, you're fired. Yeah, like you lied to me and you spent a bunch of my money. We're a family here and families are built on trust. And so the system, the background, 48:58 Mm yeah, he's got a hype man assistant. You know, I'm like the boss is like is the eighties and the boss is like you're firing the boss and the assistance back to like you know back then assistance had a pathway to a higher role in the organization. You could start in his assistant. You could work your way up within the organization. You might one day become the CEO of that company. When they become that pathway is gone. Now you have to now you had to have been born the son of the CEO 49:28 so so anyways, so so he's she gets fired yeah and she goes and she gets a job. Here's a little. This is shocking and honestly, if you ever are applying for a job, she and you're like on like the board of the race, that would be gold. No, if you're ever look, if you're ever applying for a job and you're like man, they're asking for a lot of information for me. Here's why she went and immediately after this 49:58 she got a job for a real estate company as their bookkeeper because they were like, yeah, you seem trustworthy. You can handle our books. so she, it used to be so easy. She gets a job as a bookkeeper and two years later she is arrested for embezzling $60,000 now worth $195,000 today from this real estate company. And so she spends a week in jail for that and then five years probation, which seems 50:25 worth it honestly, not worth it and then she moves to South Florida again. We've talked about this on the show all the time. How long would you spend in jail? You know saying like if you could, if you could pull off yeah yeah a lifestyle for a couple years yeah, the trade off yeah you got to pay it back eventually, but you know yeah and then immediately after she gives she her probation and she moves to South Florida 50:55 where she starts a cocaine ring and she starts peddling cocaine over real yeah for sure yeah and so in eighty three she gets a rest joking earlier. It's so crazy how many of my jokes turned out to be storylines. You know saying yeah yeah yeah yeah and so she she 51:15 became she got caught for her involvement in this cocaine ring and she again just three years. They know there if there's stuff that we know she's not good at it's getting away with stuff you know like she's not good at thinking through crime yeah and and then she ends up actually dying of cancer at age 66. I don't know if it was the same brain tumor if it was something else but it's very interesting in 2000 she still and to in the year 2000 said that I 51:45 I ran that race. I run that won that race. Steve Merrick, who is actually this guy right here, which America is kind of a cool name. I'm not going to lie. The guy behind her, guy behind her that you can barely see. You just see like this guy right here. Okay, he's the only person who was like supporting her through all this and I don't really know his relationship to her. Like it was, guess, a just fan close friend and then he said we know the relation with his friend and friend zone. He said that 52:11 in the year 2000, he came out, came forward and said that, yeah, you know, a few months after the race, she admitted to me that she jumped out of the crowd, not knowing that the first woman hadn't already gone by. She was just as shocked as everyone else when she came in first. And she just hasn't been able to like come clean about that. But she did come clean to me, is what he said. And he was he was pretty upset about it he was like the like strongest, like starkest defender of her. He's like, no, she really did it. 52:41 Yeah, so that's the story of how rosy Ruiz, I guess, like accidentally won the Boston Marathon and then got it taken away from her along with all of her prison time for breaking the law. Yeah, so that's rosy Ruiz. Wow! Okay, remember kids, the streets she ran on were paved by American tax dollars. 53:09 And the government is not against you. The government is you. We are the government. We are a society of people who pay into the collective. That's what we do. And any attempt to convince you otherwise is an attempt to exert power and control over you. Power and control over you. 53:31 but you could win the Boston Marathon. If you just do you just lie, anything's possible. Anything's possible. If you lie, anything's possible. If you just lie about take that with you fiddle off 53:52 Hey, if you liked this episode and you're like, I wish this was more about men running a race than women, then we got one for you. The 1904 Men's Olympic Marathon. It's a good one. And hey, if you want next week's episode right now, you can get that by becoming our Patreon supporter. Patreon supporters get a ton of perks. get ad free episodes a week early. They get access to a discord with our hosts and producers, merch discounts, all sorts of great things, birthday messages. It's totally worth it. You can sign up at tilland.com slash support. 54:19 And hey, we are an Evergreen podcast. find out more about them, go to evergreenpodcast.com. And we'll see you next week for another episode of Things I Learned Last Night.


In 1980, Rosie Ruiz crossed the Boston Marathon finish line with a smile and a medal. She had just posted one of the fastest female marathon times ever. Cameras flashed. Reporters asked questions. But within days, the truth came out—Rosie Ruiz had cheated. This is the strange and unforgettable story of how Rosie Ruiz became a marathon “winner” without running … Read More

Teacher Accidentally Starts a Fascist Cult | Third Wave Ep 269

04-15-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 It's very easy to look at history and say oh, I would never go along with that, but 00:06 you probably would weak, spineless little coward. You're such a coward today. We're talking about the story of Mr. Ron Jones, who's a history teacher in the sixties, but didn't experiment to demonstrate to his students how people fell for the German government in the forties. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast where I teach this guy thinks and he makes fun of me, and so if you don't like that, you might not like this show. 00:34 we joke around. get to the we get to the story. You learn a lot, but we're gonna laugh a lot away, so it's gonna be a good time. Great time. This episode comes out in April and so I don't have a lot of shows in April because Easter's happening, but there's some shows in May and then I am on tour in June. The church comedy tour is making a run back the first two weeks of June. Yeah, praise God and it's so yeah, come to those. All my dates are on my website, jaron Myers dot com slash shows. 01:03 we record these so far in advance that I don't know which dates I can tell you about. That's why I'm being like a there's dates, you know, but there I promise you they're happening. So June, the church comedy tour, me, Shama, Marama, my good one. It's going to be a really fun time in the summer, so we'll hope to see you there. 01:19 All right. Hey man, hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the third wave? That's I don't even want to do the third wave. What about Ron Jones? Have you ever heard of Ron Jones? Both of these things sound pretty alien to me. Oh, not at all. Here's a big sounds like the guy who like mows yards in your neighborhood for a living. Somehow that's like his job close. This is a picture of him. I'll show you a picture of him. Here's he here he is. 01:48 Ron Jones for everyone listening. This is a black and white photo and a black and white photo. I'm describing it. He, this is clearly like the 1953, you know, just a normal dude who he'd looks like he's mid thirties or forties. Yeah. Probably he's a Mormon missionary. Oh, 02:13 I can see it. I can see he does have the short sleeve button up on the button up. Yeah, you're right. Their uniform. Yeah, you're right. I here he is today. Why do the Mormons get their own emoji? You know, I'm talking about little sources, but I don't think that that was intentional. I don't think that they were like, oh, this is a Mormon. That's a Mormon. No, they didn't say that. They weren't. They didn't say that. You know what they said? This is a, this is a latter day saint. Is Mormon derogatory? They don't like the term they're trying to. They're trying to get really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah. Cause I think it's like 02:42 Yeah, they don't go by Mormon anymore. They go by the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints, because of all the, you know, weird stuff that have like, I don't know if that's, I don't actually know why. I just know they're trying to get away from the world. I have never heard of that. Well, anyways, here's Ron. We have a lot of Mormon listeners and they don't like how many times we've made fun of I'm trying to communicate. I've never made fun of I haven't either, but I'm telling, I'm trying to communicate like, I get your culture. 03:09 I get it. You know we just think you're freaking weird. I get your culture, but I'm gonna be like yeah, so Ron Jones, so right, yeah, so Ron Jones, not a Mormon, not a Mormon, not a one knows out of Mormon, but is a latter day Saint, anyways, yeah, this is you're correct. This is an older photo. Yeah, here's a modern photo of him. 03:36 I love his shirt and here is a of whatever here's a here's a modern phone. Don't kind of that's a two. That's a two tone shirt. That is a good shirt. I will show you that's one shirt on the front. That's a shirt on the back. That's an expensive shirt right there. That shirt that is what's looking at that's a crazy pattern, a crazy back and then here he is doing a Joe Biden impression. 04:05 you can see it. don't know if he's just old and talking guys. It's just a big point that he does. Old people do that. I wasn't here, but all fingers down. They do this. This is how they all old people point. It's all and you can see they're excited. You see that the hand is blurry because it's shaking. Yeah, you know they do it. They go, but Jack listen to your Jack 04:34 I guess we could tell the story. This guy, Rod Jones, he's a teacher was a history teacher and in nineteen sixty seven, April of nineteen sixty seven, they're in the middle of history, third wave. Yeah. And so they're in the first in the first week of April, nineteen sixty seven. He's teaching classes, and a little bit about Ron Jones, Ron Mr. Jones. We should call him because he's the teacher, Mr. Jones. He was he was the teacher that every kid loved to get like he was kind of like the fun teacher who would 05:04 always when he taught, he didn't just sit in lecture and give a homework. Like he did those things where it was like they're like big activities, you know, and it's like you're getting in the class involved. It's kind of like the my captain, my captain kind of teacher, you know, like you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like everyone's just engaged. So what is that from class? Oh, it's the always stands up on the desk. What's that movie called? Oh no, flubber 05:37 What is it? What's a dead poses, head, poet society? Thank you, thank you, flubber, the yours, you're like, I know you're going to able to recall the movie. I just don't know stuff. 05:57 I just said, don't know, okay, whatever. So Mr. was the fun teacher. Everybody loved to have Mr. Jones in class, but it wasn't just that he was just a fun, like, wax teacher. It wasn't like he's like the, I'm the cool dad. It was like he was actually a teacher who taught his kids, his kids learned stuff, but he had fun along the way. He engaged his class. was a good teacher, is my point, the point I'm trying to make. And so in April 1967, they are going through the unit on the Holocaust. 06:26 one student asks him a question that I think happens pretty much in every history class when they go through this unit, which is just like, Hey, Mr. Jones, why did the German people go along with this? Like, why did so many people like fall for this and like fall for what the Nazi regime was trying to do? Right. And so he can erect his brain. Is everyone looking back just goes, no, I wouldn't. Yeah, I would never fall for that. Yeah. And so he wanted to illustrate to his class how it was so easy to fall into. 06:55 like an authoritarian fascist regime. Yeah. And he kind of racked his brain trying to come up with a way to teach us. got to become a fascist. And so he decides he's going to do an experiment with his class. And so what he does is like the whole blue eye, green eye thing in the class. Is that what he did? It's very similar. It's not, it's not, that's not him, but it's actually very similar. Yeah. And so he tells his class, Hey, today we're going to 07:23 we're going to do an experiment sure and it says here's I need you guys to play along and here's how this works. He said if you join in on the experiment with me and you fall online and you follow all my orders and you participate, you'll get an a and he says if you don't participate, if you're not a part of what I do and if you try to rebel, you'll get enough unless you start a rebellion that wins. If you start a rebellion that wins that all good days and you then know you as the rebellion get an a 07:52 and everyone else who doesn't rebel. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. If you, if you start rebelling the winds, then all the people who rebelled, yeah, yeah. And so he says, here are the rules. He said, he said, when the bell rings, you're going to come to class and you're, you're going to sit down at your seats and you're going to listen closely. It's just the normal rules of school. No, says, he says, you're going to come in, you're going to get in before the second bell rings. You're going to sit down at your seats and you're going to sit attentive and wait for me to walk in the room. When I walk in the room, you're going to say good morning, Mr Jones. And then 08:22 Whenever you have a question, you're going to stand up, you're going to preface any question with Mr. Jones, and then you're going to ask your question in three words or less, which is pretty insane. so you get your... Jones, me go pee. 08:41 Mr. Jones, why follow Nazi? 08:49 Mr. Jones. 08:55 This is really hard, actually. I know you really got to think through your questions. 09:01 Is God real Mr. Jones, God's not dead. That's I was going for. Yeah, so everything has to be in three words or less. Okay, and so they came into class that day, came in, sat down, did their seat, took their seats. He walks in and they all say hello Mr. Jones Jones and then they they're doing the thing. He walks up to the white board and I guess it was a chop one at the time. 09:27 he writes on the walls. Yeah, we should do an episode of white boards. When those get invented, I can't think of a better episode of more riveting top. It's gonna be better than whatever we just did a couple of weeks ago. What was the one we just did that was bad? We said an episode that wasn't good, but I don't remember which one it was. don't know. What do you, what do you, uh, oh, Harold Von Braunhut. You didn't like that one. You like that guy. I remember. Yeah, there you go. You got it. So right. 09:56 strength through discipline on the blackboard. And says, we are the most disciplined people in the school and we are going to project that discipline to everybody else in the school. How disciplined we are. Passes out arm sleeves for them all the way. We're going to project our strength to the whole school. And so then he drills them on getting in and sitting down quicker and he times them. And so he's like, we're going to try this again. And he keeps timing them to try to get the fastest time that they can to get to their seat and sit down really, really quick. And this is really all he intended. 10:26 was he said, okay, I'm going to come in, I'm going to do this, I'm going to show them how quickly they fall in line and want to like obey orders when someone like who's very authoritative leads them to follow orders. So he kind of does this whole class, drills them on it, tells them about the strength of discipline and how to get an A and all this stuff. Expects this to be the end of it. Class is dismissed, everyone goes home, he goes home, he sits down and he gets home, he sits down at his recliner, pops a cold one. 10:56 his wife's yelling at him. His kids are crying. He lies up a cigarette. This is an intensive husband or father sixties. He falls asleep seven drinks deep wakes up the next morning. I don't know if any of this happened, but it's the sixties. It's pretty like he dropped his cigarette on the floor. Yeah, his grabbed his wife and got adiously combusted his wife spontaneously, combusted, spontaneously, combusted 11:24 Have you heard you know that you know remember how people used to think speaking of authoritative? Hey, 11:35 I'm going to time you see how long it takes you to sign up for Patreon. Ooh yeah. Time starts. Hey, I'm trying. I'm trying to start the time out. Talking when I'm talking about that. You don't talk to and stop. don't talk when a man talks really hard to stop. All right. I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be joined us on Patreon. I'm trying to be disciplined here or I'll bully you. You better join us on Patreon. I'm going to punch you all in line. 12:05 fall in line this summer at Toyota dealership for the Toyota thought marketing was just being very authoritative. Someone on camera smoking a pipe just buy this Jeep, buy this jam for $28. He asked me to, he's the leader and ask this little question I need to 12:33 I have a few too many words, three honestly dude freaking pretty clutch. Too many words. I have a question and no too many words narrow it down to start with my name. Start with my name. Start with my name. Okay, so he goes home that night before you went off and was hurt. Tangent. Yeah, it goes home that night. I don't know. Does whatever he does at night and then comes back to 13:00 walks in the classroom and the class is all seated at their seat, hands crossed. And then he walks in and they say, good morning, Mr. Jones. And he sees them and he thinks, Oh, they're still doing this. he's like, but this way this is one, this was day two. This is day two. Yeah. So he comes back, he expected it to be a one class session and he expected the message to hit home that class to be like, Oh, we all fell in line. Yeah. Everyone gets in a, but they didn't get it. And like, so he came back and they're all still doing it. And he's like, Oh, 13:31 okay, I see what I have to do. This is how to go, which wife is a teacher. What if now years later this is heralded as this big social experiment that he pulled off in this big lesson that he taught these kids right? Here's what I think actually happened. I think it's the sixties. I think you're a history teacher. I think this group of kids sucks, and so you go hey guys, we're gonna do this experiment. 14:00 where everyone comes in and they shot off and you can't say more like you walk to the next day and they're like hello Mr Jones and he's like this worked. He's like oh so well my gosh he literally is like hold on. I'll be back in a second and he goes to the teachers. Guys guys guys guys guys. You just got to frame it as an experience. You just got to be a dictator. just got to be a dictator. The rule by strength, strength, you're squash descent you have 14:29 Don't let him say more than three words, three words. That's it. Yeah, I found the secret. He wrote a book called the secret and so yeah, he walks in and he sees this and he like stops in his tracks and he's like, oh, I see what I must do. So then he turns and he walks, see what I must do. That's how every life project starts is where one day you wake up and you go, I see what I must see what I must do. 14:57 And so he walks to the whiteboard and quick thinking, like thinking on his toes here, he walks to the whiteboard and on the whiteboard he writes, strength through community. And he says, we have to form a community. And he says, what we're going to call ourselves is the third wave because the third wave in a series of waves is always the strongest. And then he teaches them a salute. And so he teaches them this salute to form a wave with their hand. And he says, when you see each other in the hallway, 15:27 give each other this salute. This is how you know that they're in the group. It's just me giving my heart yeah, I'm just I'm just my heart goes out to you and so yeah. So this is there's been a lot of dramatizations of this cobra. So he teaches them the salute and he says he says when you go around the school 15:51 Give the salute to everyone you see. If they give the salute back, they're in the group. If they don't, they're outside the group. Okay? 16:00 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammar land, use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 16:27 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 16:44 and he says what we need to do is we need to grow in number. We need to help bring other people into our community and he says so go around your school and give the salute people who do not give them the salute, teach them about our strength through discipline right and our strength through community and how that will help them in their life. And so then so now you've got them evangelizing essentially yeah and he says what I want you to do is I want you to now go out into the school and when you 17:13 evangelize to non-members. And then we also want you guys to start designing banners, design third wave banners. He like draws the logo of just like a wave crashing and then puts the word as the third wave around it and says, make these banners, put them up all over the school. They start evangelizing. And so that was the mission he gave him for the second day. at class ends, they go out, they start making these banners. They start putting these banners all over the school telling, 17:41 other kids about them and like setting up tables. And so he comes back, there's 30 kids that are in this history class, right? He comes back the next day and when he comes in, there's 43 kids in the room. And so they've done their job and they've brought some other kids. They've been fruitful and multiplied. Exactly. So he walks in the room and they say, good morning, Mr. Jones. And they're all sitting there at the desk. Well, they're now overflowing, but they're all in there. And he's like, good morning, Mr. Jones. 18:10 And so he walks up to the chalkboard and he read strength through action on the white board or the chalkboard. Now you're to kill everyone who does and so he gives them all member cards and he says he says here's your ID. This is your identification as part of the membership and he says he says continue to spread the the message you're taking actually spreading the message and then he says what I want you to do is if you if there are any students that 18:39 are not abiding by the rules, that are not showing discipline, that are not showing community, that are not taking action. He says, I want you to then report them to me. And by the end of the day, 23 students had been reported as people who were not a part of, or were not following the instructions, not following the rules. And this is now starting to spread outside the classroom and become a thing. By the end of the day, they estimate there was somewhere around 200 kids that had joined the wave, or the third wave. And a kid, 19:08 came to Mr John, which the wave cool name for you and so this is going to be called the vault. Yeah, I was going to be the vault, but we were just talking about how we used to dream of having youth groups. 19:23 Well, my dream was my dream was I wanted to like buy an old bank with tithe money and then put it in the vault. Yeah, so the service was it was in the vault. The youth group was in the vault and it was the whole service, the whole the church. I mean, I guess grown up service would have to happen upstairs, grown up service, the grown ups that would have to have an upstairs to put our youth group. 19:48 would be in the vault because I as the youth master would make decisions on what location we would purchase and I would say I don't care where you guys meet. You couldn't meet in the old bone officer's office will be in the fall. Yeah. 20:04 Yeah, it was logical. Yeah, dude. That's why my youth group, the wave was at the white water. That's where our youth group met, dude. We met at the wave pool at white water and it was no lifeguards because Jesus is my life guard. He walks on water and so my life guard walks on water and every service ended with an alter call. 20:31 and you played let it rain and then we singed it with the way the bully and we put him a little raft and we pushed them into the wave pushed about to see and all of us pre wrote. Look at her chubby little cheeks. You know, look at her chubby little cheeks. You know your eyebrows are bad and then at the end of it, we were like. Do you feel closer to Christ? 20:57 now that we've broken you down to your purest form, you can't be David if we're not your Goliath. That's how we read it. I love the wheat pre-rode. Everybody wrote up flashcards. Yeah, because we chose the next week's like next week's going to be 21:22 thanks. We're going to be Cassie and we're to make fun of her, make fun of her and then every kid came. They read it and then they nailed it to the cross. You got weird eyebrows, got weird eyebrows and what you say you, you have weird eyebrows. Meanwhile, this kid is drowning in the way. No lifeguards. That's the whole Jesus is our lifeguard. Yeah. 21:50 needless to say we're not youth pastures anymore. Did you do a nail the cross night or you nailed your sins at the cross? Not when I was a youth pastor, but I did the tongues of fire when we were when we were in that was like that was proper when we were students. Yeah, I mean it was probably when we were students, but I did it with tongues of fire too, because remember we set the back cross up out back. That's right. Yeah, and we did it for that. You're yeah since the cross yeah yeah. We did it. What's then did you write? I'm probably one that wasn't that big of a deal. I was afraid someone was going to read it yeah. 22:20 lied lying about this lying on this cross 22:34 yeah, that's my biggest. Good thing. Okay, this reminds I know I've said this in the fine, but like the kid at my youth group who and this is one of those moments where I was just stunned as a leader was the kid who was like I cussing up a storm yeah and like all this stuff like he was causing a lot of trouble. I just custom was sorry he's causing a lot of trouble. He's annoying a lot of kids. He's being 23:00 a general menace. Yeah. And then so later that night I was like, man, the way he behaved today is not right. And he goes, I got saved during service. That's all behind me. And I was just like, I mean, yeah man, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. You can't hold me accountable for how I behaved at 4 p.m. because I saved that six. That was afternoon me. Yeah. Christ has entered my life. 23:29 there's two versions of me. There's afternoon and after Christ. So anyway, now we've got like two hundred kids now he's got to third wave, which is my youth group name the way and so a student washes over me. There's now like like a title way 23:53 There are now multiple groups in the school. There's obviously like all the kids who aren't a part of this class that are seeing this and be like, what is happening in Mr. Jones's class? But then there's the kids in Mr. Jones's class that are a part of it. And then there's the kids that have been banished. We haven't talked about these yet. But starting on the first day, kids who had issues with this, Mr. Jones would say to the library, come back. And they had to go be in the library. And if they tried to come the next day, said, no, you're in the library. And he wouldn't let them come to class. 24:22 These were the quote-unquote rebellion and so these are kids who are not part aren't a part of it And he tells the kids in the class if you see some of these kids in the library There's one that wore a leather jacket 24:36 There's one little nerdy kid. There's one real popular girl. I think it was a freak. There's one goth girl. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was a freak, a geek, a jock, a nerd. No, it the geek was the nerd. It was definitely freak geek jock jock. I can't remember where the other two were. 25:00 really pretty girl yeah. What would she be called? I can't remember a prep be I don't know. You know, you know this movie. We're referencing know what we're 25:15 Anyways, so these kids are getting banished to the library and he tells the class, if you see them try to get in, don't let them come in. You to keep these at all costs. Yeah. And they also know, and the kids kind of put this together on their own. The kids say, oh, well, the rebels, they, they get an a if they have a successful rebellion. Oh, that's true. And so we can't let them successfully rebel, which means we need to protect mr. Jones. So one of the students, 25:44 volunteers to be Mr Jones bodyguard and he says I'll follow you around school all day and I'll protect you. They think that the rebellion is going to kill him. I don't know what they thought was going to happen today. If you kill that guy, that's what you know. Someone in the library was like, how do we rebel? I think we have to kill. think we have to kill Mr. Joe, we kill Mr Jones. All right. The other idea is what kill Mr Joe 26:24 I'll do it. I'll do the geek is like no, no, we don't have to kill him. I'll do it yeah, because he's trying to impress that girl and my dad saw my bird house. 26:45 that's exactly what the library was like. I think yeah, I very was exactly like who's going to go is your tents in there. The librarian was like excuse me. That's what you have to that's that's actually why you have to whisper in the library. Now is that the librarian didn't want to become an accomplished to your crimes. I was like please library. hear what you please whisper. Is this the police question me? I can I can say I didn't hear him. I need plausible. I counselor next door who has no alibi 27:15 and is a mandated reporter and is going through something right now. Sorry about your divorce to me. You'll always be divorce. 27:34 What is happening? Our show sucks. 27:41 okay anyway, so you've got your rebellion in the library, the ribon's in the library, but you've also got kids, so I kids who are worried about this kid is like. I want to be your body guard. Well, it's starting to get a little tense in the squash and say the the kids who are rebelling are there starting to be like shouting matches going on that look like they could turn into actual violence, okay, and there are kids who are ministers like hey man. What are you doing and Mr Jones? Like I'm proving a point. He's like don't worry. I'm teaching them. They're learning 28:11 It's this. I worry. Let the wave waves of mercy, waves of grace. The mission everywhere I look, I see your face and the minister is like, what did you just say to me? You came from heaven to earth. 28:42 to show the way from the earth to the cross. My debt. What's debt? To pay. I know, but what was the time for my debt? Was it this? No, that's Jesus. I understand that. But what was the debt sign? My debt. I don't. Yeah, I don't remember. From the cross to the grave, from the grave to the sky. 29:11 Lord, I lift your name on high. That was wonderful worship. 29:20 Rebecca, you stink. You smell like a hog. 29:31 we're gonna. We're also going to pass the plate for offering. 29:47 you were that bit was going the whole time you did the whole thing. I had no idea what you're setting up. Oh, I mean, it's getting pretty tense. 30:00 there's some tension rising in the school sure between both sides of the bike, both factions, but it's also between the kids that are part of the third wave evangelizing because there's kids who do not want to be a part of it. Yeah, like they're setting up booths in the school and trying to recruit kids to it sure and when kids do not want to join, they get aggressive and they block their way in the hallway and they're like surrounding you will join yeah and like basically forcing them in 30:28 and that you need to be disciplined and we're going to show our strength or discipline to you. Yeah. So you join the group. And so it's getting a little aggressive and a little stressful. And so this kid comes forward. He says, I'm going to be your bodyguard. And then a handful of other kids see this and say, oh, we're going to join. We're going to be your bodyguards together. Okay. They on their own, on their own, they escort mr. Jones out to his Volkswagen beetle on their own. They make, he didn't get that. What was the Volkswagen beetle? 30:55 I don't know about did they successfully PR their way out of that? Are beeffully loaded? 31:07 That was a pretty bad movie, yeah? 31:12 Oh, are you talking about the Nazis? 31:24 Oh my gosh, yeah, the first one they go for the Nazis. That's right. was like they PR the way out of it and you go yeah, the her be fully loaded movie. What a disaster for the brand that hurt them better than do when Lindsay Lohan went off the deep end. We were like no her be fully lones fog and she's 32:16 Oh, they should have made her be an honorary transformer. You know I'm that's good. Oh, the movie references are off the charts. Okay, so yeah, so a group of them unprompted did what a group of them that said they were going to be the bodyguards came together and unprompted on their own. These high school students in the nineteen sixty seven. They made themselves arm bands that they would wear with the logo on it. 32:44 black arm bands. They were black okay, and they had the third wave logo on their arm band and they were his security that they called themselves great and they marched around school protecting Mr Jones. This is the third day of the experiment. This is day three. This is day three over two hundred days. They've made arm bands. Yes, yeah and so on the fourth day, which you can also buy killing arm bands on our store. 33:12 He's like, no, what if we did though, you know, that's crazy. 33:24 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. have a mailing list in that mailing list. give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes, we've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of tilling topics. So if you want to keep learning stuff even beyond the content of the episodes, that's a great place to do it. Also, we give updates on things that's happening in the tilling verse. 33:50 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, but I'm sticking with it. If you want to know what's happening in the Till and Verse, that's the best place to do it. You can go to tilland.com. There's a link in the description or you can text tilland to 66866. There's a lot of ways to sign up for the mailing list to make sure you keep up to date with everything that we've talked about and everything that's going on in the Till and Verse. But anyways, now back to this episode. 34:16 I'm gonna introduce that up this Brandon our fans. So on the fourth day Jones comes in and he's like, this is getting a little out of my control. And so he's like, I have to end this. And so what he does is he steps into class that day, walks in. Good morning, Mr. Jones. 200 kids in there. They say good morning. This classroom. Yeah. They have school. We they're packing in because they're all like, we're a part of the movement now. And so he comes in and he says to them, 34:44 in his brain. He says I have to end this and so he comes to the and then he gets in front of him and his brain goes you're in charge. Is that what happened? So he walks up to them and he says he says boys and girls today you need to know that this is more than just our school. What was their school called? It was it was because I need to end this guys. 35:14 This is bigger than you could ever imagine. 35:19 because of the work you've done these last three days, the president of the United States wants to take me out. 35:29 that's crazy. He's like walking. This is this is the equivalent of you being like I got to break up with this girl. I got a problem and then you walk in and you go. Let's move in together. Your brain's like no, you're right. I will move into your place. I think your apartment is better than my apartment. Yeah, it's pretty similar. So he comes in, he walks in the room yeah, this is bigger than our school. is bigger than cover Lee high. That's their name of their school cover Lee high okay. 35:58 He says, is bigger, this is actually a nationwide movement. I haven't told you this yet, but the third wave is a nationwide movement. This is happening in schools across the country. There are comparable size, organized groups coming together. And our goal is to create a third party of the American government. That's why we're the third wave. And he says, we have a presidential candidate. I have to end it. have to end it. Exactly. And he says, we have a presidential candidate. 36:28 who is going to step forward and be our representative in this coming election this year. 36:36 I can't remember if there was an election this year. But anyways, he said, next election, our president in the next election. he says, so he says, we're going to hear from him tomorrow. He says, tomorrow we're going to have an assembly. We're going to meet in the auditorium. We're going to have an assembly and we're going to watch a video that he has sent us. And he's going to tell us all about his vision for our country. And he says, continue. 37:05 your work, remember, strength through discipline, strength through community, strength through action. And then he dismisses them. Oh, and he also says, do not let the rebels into the meeting tomorrow. And so the next day rolls around and at 1150 AM, all the students arrive in the auditorium, a group of them block the doors so no one else who doesn't do the hand signal can enter. So everyone's doing the little wave hand signal to enter in the room. 37:32 And they all come in. This is day five. This is the fifth day of the experiment. Yeah. There's well over 200 kids in this room. They come in the room and then he has them kind of do their exercises. So he has this whole group of like 200 kids. He's standing up in the front of this auditorium and they're shouting, strength through discipline, strength through action, all their things. And he's having them all do their salutes and show all the things that they learned and do their like, hello, Mr. Jones, like all this stuff, drilling them to sit down. 38:01 And then he says, okay, it's time. We're going to hear from our new leader. So he rolls the TV, the little TV car on stage like, and this is a 1967 TV. He rolls on the stage. He rolls it on. That's the cart. Yeah. And he turns it on and it's static for an uncomfortably long time minutes of just static. And the whole room's just sitting there watching the static and they're starting to get a little antsy and they're looking around at each other and they're confused. 38:29 And then it's a Hitler speech comes up on screen. And they watch this entire Hitler speech is translated. They watch this entire speech and then he turns it off and he says, this is how the Germans fell for Hitler. He said the same way you all fell for this movement so quickly, so easily is the way the German people fell for what he did. The kids were traumatized. They had to hire therapists for all of them. 38:55 It was 1967. They didn't do that. But the kids, the kids were all traumatized. They all, I watched an interview with some kids who are now all adults. And I just remember looking around and like, except for one of them. 39:13 when you say that we're now adults, except for one didn't grow. We've been studying him for a long time. He's been alive in Chicago ever since yep. No, they they interviewed them and they're like yeah. You look around the room and just just every kid is just sobbing yeah like some kids got up and like ran out of the room crying like it was just like a devastating moment for all of them when they just realized like oh I could have 39:42 done that like yeah, because especially kids like, but most people like oh, I would never do that yeah and then for them to just like in a such a visceral way, realize they would and they kind of did and they were all boomers yeah, and so they so he had like just pointing out the generation that it was so he gave he gave him a them a lecture sounds like it was like bad, but he taught them about 40:11 Hitler yeah from the auditorium that day and then all those rebels in the library got an F because they didn't succeed. 40:20 the and they I've I've seen people talk about this. Those kids had to be insufferable for like a week or two. Oh, I got to share. were just like, remember when you guys were all Nazis, there either Nazis for a week. Wow, here's here's the rub though. Yeah, I always got to you the rub. This had gotten pretty out of hand. 40:45 and it teetered on file. They were like, what about the other schools? It's like guys, they're not. It was no other schools. There's no other schools and they the other teachers in the school were very uncomfortable with what was happening that week. And so it took a while, but a couple of months later the teachers managed to get together and stage their own rebellion. They killed Mr Joe 41:10 took a while because the body guards were gone. The body guard stopped guarding arm band. are gone, our babies are gone. Now's our chance. Get them all the arpids cry. What's crazy is the CIA did it CIA killed Mr Jones, a humble history teacher, no bunch of the other teachers. They had got together with the administration and they got him fired. 41:35 because they were like, look what he did. Like he like manipulated all these kids sure, and so he lost his job and it was he was pretty bitter about it because at the end of the day, like it's one of the interest. It's an interesting thing because this is the sixties and so it's a time where you can kind of get away with traumatizing kids. Kind of yeah, but I don't know. It's just so interesting because like you, you definitely couldn't get away with doing this now. Like you would get in a lot of trouble for doing something like this now sure, but then I would have thought you could have 42:06 but I guess not. I guess a lot of teachers had a problem with that, but all those kids remember this lesson to this day. Probably will never forget that lesson like that was what the teachers were like. They're forgetting our freaking science lessons, but they're remembering this very impactful history. This teacher did too good of a job yeah yeah, and so they got him fired and he was very bitter about it for a long time, but after a few years he was able in the seven needs to kind of get past that move past it and then write a book about that. Yeah, he kind of wrote essentially a memoir and it 42:36 became a pretty well or I should I don't know if it was a bestseller, but it sold well enough to then get adapted into a TV movie special called the wave. Okay. And then ever since then that special was called purpose driven life. Yes, look was just the third wave. Yeah. And then since then it's been adapted into tons and tons and tons of films and movies and plays and all those things to kind of illustrate that thing. So that's what he's made a lot of money on that stuff. Then I don't know. I'm probably I mean he sold the rest of the story. 43:04 Yeah, look at that painting. He's doing well. Look at that phone. He's doing really well. That's a painting. His that sounds like that's either that painting in the background is either ten thousand dollars yeah or his great kid and he yeah one of the two. It's hard. You could never know, but yeah, that's oh, but this is courted phone of the wall. Go back to that courted for my wife. One of those real bad. She wants a courted phone 43:29 that's so hipster that she wants a quarter phone, so that is so honestly though kind of cool, but also well there's there's ones you can you can bluetooth to your phone. That's pretty cool and she wants it in our living room. She wants it's cool, but it's also so lame because she wants to be able to send the couch man. Oh my gosh and twirl they entwirl the cable, you know and like honestly 43:52 Who is she calling that? She wants to twirl the case though. That's so that's you and I talk on my phone enough that I'll probably sit on my couch and be like, yeah, that's crazy man. huh. Gosh. So anyways, they you're in how much day buddy? I already told you, I can't give you any more money this month. Listen, hey, I love you. 44:20 but I have to set boundaries here. No, no more, no more. All right, I'm gonna read you the note cards. 44:32 Your hairline is receding. 44:38 Your tattoos look stupid. 44:43 my parents support us on patreon. I'm drowning on the other line with my air pods in 44:56 you wear Casio watches. 45:01 it's been adapted a thousand times, but by the end of it, their school was covered in and I'm pretty sure these are from dramatizations, but covered in these banners that students had hung up around and made themselves and to try to get people to join the movement and my favorite adaptation though is the German adaptation and two thousand and eight. They did an application of this. I was gonna say I think they did it in nine thousand and forty four bro. No, no, no, no, 45:30 but the the German attitude adaptation is the wave. It's just called the wave. Yeah, but in German that translates to die well, which I love. I well, I think that's just such a hard like die well die. Well, that's cool. That's really cool. So live fast die well. Yeah. So this is the story of Ron Jones and his third wave movement. Pretty 46:00 Good lesson, I think. I wish teachers could traumatize our kids today. think it which is listen, we've tried to we need to come up with a hand signal for telling followers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but we've been trying like you should. You should be saying fiddle off to people in public. Yeah, if you see them and if they don't say fiddle off, beat them up, beat the heck out. Tell them to comply. Comply, say fiddle off and if they act confused, yell comply. 46:32 The next episode you're going to watch of this show is mouse utopia comply, comply, comply, mouse utopia is an experiment where a guy had a bunch of mice and he was like, you know, with the fat ones bully the little ones. It was a kind of weird thing where it was essentially was like with. Do remember it? It was essentially like would if we fed these ones more than than these other mice, what would happen? It was a whole 47:02 social experiment among these mice very, very is a really good so so that's available to you in next week's episode is available right now to our patreon supporters, patrons away to help us grow the show to keep making episodes and you get early access ad free discord with us and a lot of our other fans get to make some friends centered around the show. So we hope to see you there. If not, thank you so much for being a part of our show. Things are last night is an evergreen podcast. 47:30 and that means we're on the evergreen podcast network and also that we're never gonna die evergreen. We're here forever. So when in doubt comply comply comply comply comply comply comply


Have you ever wondered why people follow leaders without questioning them? In 1967, a history teacher named Ron Jones started a Social Experiment called the Third Wave. He wanted to teach his students how easy it is to fall into authoritarian behavior. But he did not know how far it would go. How the Third Wave Began Ron Jones was … Read More

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04-08-25

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00:00 Hey, this is things I learned last night, a comedy podcast where I teach this guy about stuff today. We're learning about Dr. Bronner. So Dr. Bronner soap is a soap bottle with 3000 words, a manifesto, if you will. Dr. Bronner, not a real doctor escaped Nazi Germany, came to the United States, sold his soap and this crazy life message. So the soap and a dream. Yeah. Don't worry about coming to my shows this month because Easter is super late. Easter is April 20th and like I don't do any shows the month of Easter because churches don't do anything. So 00:29 We're just hanging out all they do is Easter. If you want to support what I'm doing, you can listen to this podcast more and support us on Patreon by myself. 00:39 Can we put soap on our store? Do we need to check? I think we can. I can we sell. So anyway, here's the episode. 00:49 Hey man, hey, what's up, dude, geez, hey man, I yeah, what's oh yeah, you're right. Okay, hey man, have you ever heard of dr Bronner dr Bronner dr Bronner? Okay, not to be confused with dr Bronzer. I was just gonna make that joke thing. It yeah, it's great hand kind of sewer. I'm not gonna lie that thing where like you know how 01:12 it was this the tanning beds thing. Yep, yep, Where people would put like a little shape or something. Yes, I did that in high school or in middle school. Well, maybe it was high school. I did the Batman log on my chest. 01:34 I hate that, but it was like it was. had that WD J D necklace and so it got seared into my skin. It's still there, actually there yeah okay. Anyways, here's the deal. If you look at look at this guy and tell me he doesn't look like he might be a spray tan guy. Oh yeah, yeah, he looks like he's manually doing this spray tan bed. This is a real picture. 02:03 This is not like someone made this out of a bag. All right, so the background is space. This has nothing to do with space. I mean potentially I'm going to be honest with you. There's something I'm going to read later, but this guy's got the big goggles for audio listeners. He's got the big black goggles like it'd be like if you drew a mad scientist. It is very like holding hydrogen peroxide for some reason. What's he gotten? Yeah, here he is. Here he is again. Yeah, did. Wait, did he create and then we've got another one. 02:32 okay, he looks like a bond veal and dude. Honestly, those sunglasses are pretty freaking sick. Wait, what was the last picture? What's he holding soap? All right, he's got a lot of it yeah. I'll you what he doesn't have a lot of body. doesn't have a lot of body. That was so he's so skinny and scrawny doesn't have a lot of body on him. Yeah, it's a nice nice soap little body okay. 02:59 So this guy, Dr. Bronner, I'm not even going to bury the lead on it. He came up with, I shouldn't say came up with like invented or I guess, yeah, invented Dr. Bronner soap, which you probably guessed given his name. These are their soaps. You might have seen these around. They're kind of like, it's like hippie soap. Okay. And so here I'll show you what the here's what the bottle looks like. Just an insane wall of text. He'll soul and the 03:29 the the soap bottle is covered with these messages okay of like it's like a sermon almost, but it's not like oh like his soap cures depression. I saw yeah that on serious. Go back to that image. The look depression, the silent killer. I see him saying that from back. Okay, you get your eyes fixed dude. Okay, so you get you see this this column over here far left. There's post traumatic stress. 03:59 What substance use end of life anxiety? So this here I can read it to you. I can read it to you. I have the whole transcription pulled up over here. This guy, what he has like this, like I don't know even what to call it. It's called 18 and one hemp peppermint pure cast style soap. So it's like it's like very stereotypical, like hippy soap is like what when you say hippy, do you mean like 04:29 What do mean? 04:32 like super natural L M kind of crap. No, it's all no, it's super natural. You can only get it at like natural grocers, that kind of vibe and like everything. There's like no parabens, like only like seed oils and hemp and like all the like natural ingredients now. Oh, whatever. Okay, they know seed oils then so it's just got oregano in it. Yeah, just a hundred percent pure oregano wash my hands and liquid oregano liquefied. 05:00 Yeah, that works, but this bottle my contact solution this bottle. I don't think we'll read the whole thing in this just read the headlines, but I'll read some of the headlines, so it starts out real subtle at the top real. So it says the second coming of God's law and then it goes through and it kind of talks about his teachings. 05:22 and the ABCs of mankind Christ or Doctor Bron Dr Bronner okay, and so he's got these moral ABCs and they're supposed. It says these are the moral ABCs. They're supposed to unite okay, all of us. It says six billion strong be kind. I don't think you know 05:44 and so here's there's a list of the what is this? Eighteen ABCs, and it's so here it says. Let's see what I was a good. What's a good one to start with? A shark can only love its friends lacking frontal lobes. It must avoid avoid fear, smear, hate, slander, 06:13 dominate, dictate, distort, destroy anything that it does not know, understand or disagrees with. That's a shark. But a human being possessing the kingdom of God's law, the ASEAN moral ABCs of the free within his frontal lobes and worked hard to teach his friends and enemies the moral ABCs. Otherwise that being is not yet human. Do you remember I told a story on this podcast one time 06:39 of the guy at my Starbucks who told me he can summon the lightning with his feelings. This sounds like the book that he was writing. You know saying like this is the kind of stuff that he would be like, I'm re you know, he would always have these gigantic books on the table. Yeah, that he's like writing. He's doing this writing and this is what I imagine he's writing where he says sharks can only be friends with loners. Sharks are actually like 07:07 I'm a shark typing and then he puts it all in a chat. He we T he goes, hey, remove the weird stuff about me being a shark and then like that's how it gets to the good nuggets. You know, a lot of people don't know that, but the sort of amount actually is that 07:31 Here's another one. Here's another good one. It says he who risks his life teaching friend and enemy. The moral ABCs uniting all mankind free wins eternal life. He who does less than that perishes by half truth strife like that. That one rhymes yeah. This soap brand what dr Bronner says out loud a lot is that he does a minute shush. Hold on 08:00 It says it. It says help heal PTSD, depression, end of life, anxiety and addiction. Yeah. Who knew you don't need a 12 step program? You need to use this soap. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Okay, so he constantly said that the point of his soap is not to sell soap. 08:30 It's not like he's selling soap and then he's like, I got this room on the label to get my message out there. His point of selling soap is to get his message out there. says, oh, I can, everybody needs soap. And so he's like, I could sell soap to anyone. And then while they're in the shower. 08:49 they can look down and see this label and I can look assisted therapy was recently granted breakthrough designation by the FDA for use in treating PTSD and major depressive disorder. 09:03 this guy's promoting shrooms. I can't believe you can read that from here. Is this about shrooms? I mean shrooms are adjacent. This is a shrooms adjacent topic. This is a lot of there's a lot of adjacencies to this topic actually sure. So Dr Bronner, he was born a manual Bronner and 19 oh date 19 oh eight in hell, the brawn hellebron 09:33 how he'll hail brahn, hail brahn. I'm sure it matters a lot in Germany. He is of Jewish descent and his families or his family owned a soap shop in their hometown. They made Castile soap, which is like a special kind of soap that's made special, special kind of soap that's made from olive oil and it's supernatural and it dates back to like 10:02 The time fifties yeah, no, it dates back like genuinely like to the beginning of time. Yeah, like in and the Levant. You know where that is pop quiz. Where is it? France close now like the Middle East and so everything's Middle East. His family like it's like a family recipe that's been passed down for generations making this soap and they sold this open their store. He 10:30 Obviously grew up around it, grew up learning how to make this soap, but he wasn't like, I want to be a soap man. Like that wasn't his thing. He didn't want to be a soap boy. Soap boy. And he had, uh, what's the word I use? I want to, I want to make a musical. I want to make a soap opera. 10:53 someone just so know, in our new studio, the other side of this wall is somebody in a counseling session. There's a perfect like a licensed professional counselor has the next room over win. Choose that that's not our fault, but somebody somebody's going through a divorce on the other side of this wall and 11:19 And we're making silver operating. We're ruining their place of musical. You know, did because the counselor is going through divorces and so it's like someone's going to divorce here and we're ruining their business. 11:33 I see what I did there. I see what you did there. Yeah, it really sucks that if like if you're a counselor and then the person that you're counseling, they're telling you about their problems and you're like, I wish I wish this was my wish. was my freaking problem. You're like your life is so much worse and you're like, that sounds really bad. I wish you had that sounds oh gosh. Yeah, but anyway, there's a counselor on the other side of that wall. He had differing 12:02 political opinions from his family and he had one nine to eight at this point. He's going to be what I mean he's going to be a kid when World War one is happening, but World War two runs around. He's in his thirties. He's an adult and he had pretty strong opinions about what was going on in the world because he's from Germany. Which where did he? He was very anti Nazi, but his parents were. I don't want to say sympathetic because they weren't, but they were, they were saying like they were 12:31 behaving as though it was all going to be okay. They were like it's they were they were just saying hey, this is all going to blow over. It's not going to be a big deal and at the end of the day we have to a lot of people did yeah. They said we have to put the sign on our door because if not, we have to shut our business down. Yeah. Yeah. And so like and the manual, I mean we just got to, we're just doing what we to do to get by and then it'll all be over one day and exactly. And so a manual argued with his parents all the time about this for years. 12:59 they didn't get the message eventually he moves to the States. He sees what's coming. He moves to the States and their relationship kind of deteriorated in the process. They had so many arguments about it. Like they kind of stopped talking to each other when he left or shortly before he left. And this experience was a formative experience for a manual obviously. And as that story, well, the last thing, 13:28 he ever heard from his dad was a letter he received that said, you were right. Cause they ended up getting picked up and they died in gas chambers, both of his parents. And this experience- Incredibly sad. Yeah, incredibly difficult experience and a painful experience for him and created this, I think he had this like worldview before, but this- 13:52 catapulted it and made it like a really strong thing for him. Sure. And so when he gets to the States, he's looking for something to do. He knows how to make that would break anybody. Oh, I think so too. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And so he's living in the States. He needs to find something to do to make a living. He knows how to make soap. So he starts making soap and just selling. So yes, but he's still like, in. Imagine 2025 being like soap for sale. So 14:20 You know, I mean, I guess there's people who do. There's one lady at the farmers market by our house who sells some kind of thing in a jar. I forget. Oh, you know what it was? It was a jam. It was a jam. It's something in a jar. It's a jar. It's jam. You know how much each jar of jam is? What? $28. It's our game. Yeah. Well, that jam better pay my rent because you ain't 14:51 Hehehe! 14:54 when you think my landlord listens to this. Your landlord doesn't listen to this to know you don't pay your Actually, I don't think they would notice, to be honest. There was one month where I only paid half of it. No, because, okay, because the way that the... It was an accident. No, was with Zelle, you have a daily limit and my rent is more than the daily limit. So I had to two. It's so annoying. But anyway, so I forgot to pay the other half on time. But then half of the month I texted, was like, sorry, if I to do that. And I sent it and they were like, all right, cool. 15:25 Why are you? I was like thing. I shouldn't have done. I should have just not left it just yeah, because got sixty something properties. You're not keeping track. I have no idea what's going on here. Interest. So that's why I quit paying. That's why I stopped and they haven't noticed yet yet. You're going to fly over one day and you're going to be honestly though. What's the worst is going to happen? Yeah. The worst thing is you get evicted. Yeah, and I'll start selling my jams. Yeah, you start selling jams outside the farmers market. 15:56 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 16:08 We do monthly hangouts. do. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:40 Connor, he started selling soaps for a living and kind of the same thing you were saying. Like he was just going outside stores and just like you guys want to buy some soap farmers, Mark, just had a box, a soap, a soap box and he would just hand out the so jacket and then some soap or and then but he was still passionate about his worldviews and so he would take a soap around and he'd sell soap and then he would stand on the street corner and stand up on his soap box and yell out his and preach. is this what 17:08 I'm pretty sure this is where I like tried to figure out if this is where it comes from, but I'm, think so. I can't find any verification for sure, but he in like the mid and this would be the forties was standing on a soap box, soap box corner and preaching his, his message, his beliefs to the streets and it started to catch on and it became something that was spreading like wildfire around the country. His beliefs about the ABCs and morality and essentially and it's kind of wild. 17:37 for him to believe what he believes because he had seen really the worst of humanity, like first hand. But he still believes that all people are fundamentally good. And that's his message. And his message is we're all fundamentally good and we should people are not fundamentally good. 18:00 Yeah, yeah, they're not jam session is a bad name for things. I agree. There are so many more people who suck than people who don't and that's what you need to learn about the world. That was his point was all people are fundamentally good. They just need to be taught how to be good. No, sometimes the all people are fundamentally bad and so he was teaching you agree with that. you believe that? I don't know. All people are fundamentally bad fundamentally bad. Yeah, I don't know. I believe I think I think 18:29 I think everybody's fundamentally good, but I think everybody's also fundamentally, or I think it's more likely for people to behave selfishly, and then they do things that harm other people because they're being selfish. And so it leads to those places, but I don't think their nature, I don't know if I would say their nature is fundamentally bad. Interesting. Jesus would disagree. 18:59 anyways, so he would go, I just say he would go and he would start at a baseline that we all suck that we're all bad. Then that is the baseline of the gospel not to be preachy hour here. Well, call on into eight three three four truth and we'll put you on air. I mean, if we're getting if we're going to get technical, we were all fundamentally good, but then there was the fall 19:27 because evil entered into our hearts. we're not, no, we're fundamentally good, but we're broken. And because of that brokenness, and so God restores us to our foundation, which is fundamentally good. We're going to be really technical. Well, that's what I'm wondering. That's what I was asking. I don't know. One of us has a theology degree and the other one still follows Jesus. So what do you want from me? know? Anyways, I pray for you every day. 19:56 is okay. Do you want to repent on this podcast? Get out of here. We get a whole episode about remote viewing and I don't know if you guys know this, that Tim hasn't repented for doing that, so that's why his finances are bad. 20:13 Yeah, God cursed me for it. Dr. Broder would stay on the street preaching and his message started to spread like wildfire across the country and a bunch of people started to really believe this stuff. And he kind of had this really loyal following people who were pretty committed to his soaps, but also more committed to his message. And so much so that I believe it was in New York, let me see, Chicago. 20:43 In Chicago, in 1946, there was a man who, I guess, believed in the message so much, he wanted to like, I guess as a form of protest maybe for the way things were functioning in our country and to like show like, this is the way we should live our lives. He decided I, stay with me for second, I'm going to crucify myself. 21:11 And so he set up a cross on the street corner and he had someone legitimately crucify him, like nail him to a cross. And he had like a sign that he was he had a sign that he put up basically like in support of the moral ABCs. And he was like, and I, I don't understand the way his brain got there, but he did it. And the police, got him down. ended up surviving. They showed up and they said, get that guy out of here. And they 21:41 you know, pulled it, pull him down and he said no, I'm gonna, I don't know how that happened, but he survives and aside by crucifixion is in that same nuts. I don't know if he was trying to die. I don't, I, I don't know if he was trying to die, but he wanted to be crucified to send a message and I don't know what the message, what elements of this message are that 22:11 like what are the key? There's not an obvious connection. There's not an obvious connection. Okay, this message to crucify yourself. It was someone who was following it. That was like I really believe in this. Okay, I'm going to take a stand. I think I'll crucify. So what do they believe in? What are the ABCs then the more ABCs? It's it's what I was reading from the thing earlier. It's it's that all people are fundamentally good. Sharks are fundamentally bad. Don't be a shark. You know stuff like that. Yeah, 22:37 and this guy was like sharks are bad ting ting ting. is this is this is the soap opera. Sharks are bad ting ting ting, because now it's now as other hand. you're right. It's like what am I going to got to choreograph this thing? I definitely mess that up in his mouth out wow, so he 23:05 he survives, but now all of a sudden a lot of like people associate this with fanatics. Well yeah and they and they think Bronner is teaching people to do this stuff. So Bronner gets on like a government like a hot seat kind of yeah it's like it's like oh you're causing trouble and so they end up actually yeah that's true admitting him into a mental hospital, dr Bronner dr Bronner and so he ends up in the Elgin mental health center, which is an Elgin Illinois outside Chicago just there Illinois. 23:34 outside. Well, yeah, what you call it Egan, why'd you bring that up and he spent great show by the way? Thanks for asking. I did. I'm sure I asked you. We talk all the time and one of the things I ask most commonly was how was the show? We don't talk all the time. First of all, our wives would disagree with that. I do feel like sometimes you're just at your house and you're like ha ha ha and I you're not even on the phone. You just think we're talking 24:04 and like because Breeze called me and she's like are you in the phone with Tim right now and I'm like no, I'm kayaking and she's like what he ever I acted your life when we're not talking on the phone me and that's what I'm saying. I think you're either talking to somebody else or you're talking to yourself. Am I do you exist? Can you edit me out just like fade away? We'll just take a solid shot at the end of this and I just just talking 24:33 I'm just sitting here being like, do you, do you see him? Do you see this guy? Cause I do. There's somebody here. So he's at this mental health center here and this is 46. And so this is when mental health was not good. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you sneezed wrong, they were just like, you're good. We're going to kill you. We're to put you on so many meds. Yeah. Is that what they did? They put them on meds. They put them on all kinds of meds and then they put them on shock therapy. 25:00 And when he got on shock therapy, he actually, this is also the stuff that like people are, that wasn't that long ago. I know it's crazy. It's crazy. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bonkers. Cause yeah, like our grandparents were alive when this stuff was happening. Yeah. That's hard to, it's sometimes when you think about it, cause the history books put them all in black and white. 25:26 so that way like distances us from it. Yeah, I saw some other day. You know the Rosa Parks died in two thousand five yeah yeah, but it seems they they make it seem like it's so oh yeah. That was a long time ago, but it was pretty recent. That's because they're really they're embarrassed. They're ashamed of how right was they really did it yeah, but anyway, so the shock treatment had a pretty bad effect on him. It actually made him blind, so that's why he's wearing the really cool sunglasses. Oh, he's because he's blind. 25:54 so you let me make fun of a blind guy for the first five minutes of the episode. I didn't let you make fun of him. You thought he looked. I said he looks like he's inside the standing bed booth. I said he looks like an evil scientist and then you reveal later by the way that guy's blind just a blind. All right, 26:24 so I sock dude, he's just one make fun of a blind guy. I almost said that about those glasses. How do you see through those? Those are pretty, you know, he does it. He doesn't need to 26:43 ha, holy the bad friend dude so funny well and he got shot because he took his eyes for granted. did take his eyes for granted. 26:56 and so after the shock therapy started, it's crazy. He actually escaped from the health center and so he got out and he hitchhiked to Los Angeles. Okay, he restarted his soap company in Los Angeles, in Los Angeles from Chicago, from Chicago. Yeah, and this was the what is this the fifties the fifty sure, so that was like prime time for hitchhiking. Oh, hitchhiking was what I was thinking. Well, I mean you because people were road trip 27:25 That's true. Yeah, people were road tripping and people were just too trusting back then. You know yeah, we didn't know about serial killers yet. Yeah, true crime hadn't started yet. Yeah, that's I mean I would have had happened. Yeah, true crime had happened, but it wasn't like sure a form of media that people can see. Yeah, yeah, I wonder at what point people started with like realizing it's like the seventies later, seventies people started to be like. yeah, that's when all the planes started crashing. Huh? When all planes started crashing, what do you talk? What? Well, in the seventies, all the planes started crashing 27:54 and so people started realizing oh it's a dangerous world out there. Oh and the tv was like oh people really like watching tragedy and then they were like let's find more tragedy. I don't know dude you're one that's hurting a bunch of tragedy on tv and then everybody freaked out and then the lead was in the air and then everyone's brain was in the air. He's man okay so he hicks to Los Angeles and restarts his soap company sure and so he still wants to get his message out to the world. 28:24 but he realized oh, I mean that was dangerous apparently yeah, and so he starts just printing it on the soap bottle sure and obviously and for him the way he spoke to his employees was we are not selling the soap. The soap is a vehicle yeah for the message yeah we're using this to get the message out to the world and they end up growing selling tracks essentially essentially to his beliefs yeah and so they had 28:54 grown this company to a multi-million dollar company. It was like a very successful company. He lives out the rest of his life being a quirky dude. Like obviously he's taking pictures like this intentionally. the soap, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so like he's just kind of a quirky business owner, does business very differently. Yeah, he does business a lot different than most business owners, has a lot of success throughout his life, ends up passing the company onto his son, 29:23 his son passes it on to his sons who go by the names David and Michael. Those are their birth names. They go by David and Michael Michael's the president and his brother David when Michael became the president, he became the president in twenty fifteen. Okay, he when he became the president, he promoted his brother to the title of CEO, which is not the CEO you're thinking of. 29:52 It's actually Cosmic Engagement Officer. 30:06 and they there two rolls. You see the life leave from my body. If we could just like I don't know in slow mo that just like the cosmic engagement officer, you can literally see me go okay. There are two roles are very like they could not be more 30:25 different. I yeah it's kind like what we do for the business. You do all the business and then I do all the energy stuff, the energy stuff. Actually, that's really a bring in the vibe. I'm just here for the vibes man. Oh yeah, that's our cosmic engagement officer. You put that on your taxes 30:44 you know, say I mean he probably has to. I think that is that a thing you can choose on linked in. think he, I think he has when you're signing up for Google Workspace and it says which position are you in the company? Do you choose cosmic engagement officer? Yeah, that's what he does. They the brothers, they run this company together and they are they are like they are actually running the company right right, but they there are two roles are very different and I'm going to I'm going to show you 31:13 there are photos you're going to know who they are. This one is Michael Michael obvious president. Yes this one is David. 31:28 This is what my grandma means when she says those people. 31:38 you know, I'm talking about yeah, yeah, my grandma has with my grandma's rush limbaugh filled nightmares are full of this guy, that's it. So he's the cosmic. If you're an audio listener, imagine the biggest stereotype you can think of for a Portland barista. You know I'm saying like literally like think. No, I'm not even joking. Yeah, you're listening. You're like oh, he'd be wearing 32:07 cat ears. You're right, you're right and you're wearing peacock pants. You're right. I fingernails painted, which there's nothing wrong with being this person yeah yeah exactly exactly, but he yeah he's living all the shirt. is wrong is being this person and making more money than me. That is wrong. You know that's what's wrong and so that's what I get mad. So they split it up here. Here they are with their mom who 32:36 is the daughter of yeah and his mom made him wear that normal shirt for their pictures yeah yeah and so their roles they're split. They Michael obviously is running the business and then and then and then David is just sprinkling oregano over a little board, a picture of the business and going. David's job is to help make sure they 33:03 maintain the identity of the business that their grandfather started and so like it's the activism is that's another thing. You could have a really good vision for your life and then you could have a weird grand kid. You know I'm saying like you pass down your life's work and then he's like hello and you're like that's not what I talking like that. 33:27 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. 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It's actually really hard to not join it so 34:27 So David continues the legacy when they when their grandfather passed on the company, it got to a point where the label now has three thousand words on it and they had they've had to change it to five point five font to fit everything on that label. Did you find a bottle of this somewhere? I have not now here's a picture of one. You couldn't go out of your way to try to find this. Okay, what do you think I've got nothing to do? Yeah, you don't have a kid yet, but 34:58 he can he's continuing the the energy and trying to keep this like the activism front and center for sure. And so for example in during the war on drugs, I should say this is late war on drugs. This is mid two thousands. Okay, okay. Marijuana was obviously legacy. Marijuana was obviously illegal and that's by proxy. Hemp was also illegal. 35:26 and they used hemp in a lot of their product products. Okay. And so in protest, David went to the D.A. the like national D.A. headquarters and planted hemp seeds in their front lawn. You got arrested for this. Hold on. This picture. Why does he look just like the QAnon shaman? 35:52 you know who I'm talking about. I don't know who that is. You know exactly who that is. January six, the guy that wore the buffalo head thing. Oh no, I mean they do look. They do like vaguely similar, but they don't pull that picture back up. He looks like no, no, does not here. I'll show you him. Okay, I don't know if we could. I we might get demonetized for putting this guy's picture up here. So here's him yeah and then here is that guy. It's a different guy. 36:22 Very clearly a different guy. Well, yeah, because you got the face paint and the but you see what I'm saying, though, right? You see what I'm saying. don't see it at all. You don't see it at all. I don't see that at all. All right. Yeah, do not. But yeah, so he plants the hemp seeds in that. I'm just saying those are like literally like the stereotypical of each side. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they are the person to me. I mean, I guess that's fair. Yeah. So you got he got arrested for this. 36:51 he also rest of her planting him yeah, because it was possession possession of illegal substance and then also planting still legal substances on the de. Oh, I was just being Johnny Hemp Seed got arrested. He also got arrested for showing up on also shout out to the dea for only being open Tuesday through Friday from ten a.m. to four p.m. 37:18 yeah, that's pretty funny. He also went to capitol time. They wake up in the morning, get to work on time, capital l and he caged himself with a bun with four twenty a. That's what time they wake up at four twenty a. You're right. He caged himself. I think it was on Capitol Hill with just a bunch of marijuana way over the limit and so I'm already in jail, so they're in a prison of my own making, so they had to cut him out with the jaws of life and then arrested him. 37:47 And so Michael has this joke he says a lot. says, you know, he said, travel a lot for work. go around the company. The company is now a hundred million dollar company. And it's like, we're all over the country all the time, like doing business deals and things like that. And he says, when I travel, I like to stay at like a nice hotel. When my brother travels, he likes to stay at jail. 38:07 but it's kind of true. He does a lot of these protests and he gets he gets booked a lot and that's kind of like you know that's the vibe that they got. That's the business that they like to run is a business where one of them gets arrested and I'm just taking care of business and he is a felon. So what are you in for? I'm here for business. You're on a business trip. Oh, do you know the Wi-Fi password? Yeah, 38:37 getting arrested and asking the guard, what's the Wi-Fi password? So not only are they like kind of radical with their activism, but they're radical with the way they treat their employees. 38:53 they have a me. They're spiking the coffee shrooms every morning. Yeah. What if we just end right there the radical, how they treat their employees? No, they they were really early to providing like health care and dental and all that stuff to their place. They were early to that game, but their health care package. I don't know exactly what it is, but I did see a like a documentary about their company and in the documentary, their their H R rep 39:22 for them said, we actually, every year when we renew our health package, the healthcare providers that we use say, hey, no one else does anything like this. Are you sure you want to do this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, we just provide so much in terms of healthcare for our people. Sure. They also cover all 100 % of childcare, but then probably one of the most significant things that they do 39:52 is they cap salaries for leadership five to one. And so their leadership team can only make five times the lowest earning person on the team. And see, that doesn't make any sense to me because as the CEO, chief executive, chief, Oh, I thought you meant not cosmic astronaut or whatever, engage as the CEO. It's not that I'm managing the company. 40:18 Yeah, it's God's company. Oh my God, I'm just mad. I'm just yeah. So you're going to take all that money from God. So what are you calling God greedy? You haven't seen that Dave Ramsey clip. Yeah, so if so, if for sake of now you're calling God greedy, I freaking hate that guy. All right, so for sake of easy math, if the lowest 40:43 paid employee on your team is making fifty thousand a year. You can their executives can only make two fifty. That's the cap and so if they want to make more they have to raise their lowest employee salary. It's like a fundamental thing in their company and so the people by default get paid very well because they want to get paid very well and so do that. They got to increase that lowest salary. Am I going to work here and so they based in Los Angeles yeah and so 41:11 What if I just pulled out my phone and it was like, so yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, Just keep doing it. You just call it. You're like, Hey, I'd like to interview right now. Career, our family. Oh, interesting. Red flag. is a pretty big red flag. Go to our job portal. Yeah. Their turnaround is historically very low. They have double digit years that most people will stay with the company for 41:40 10 years plus because it's just such a good work environment. People, they make good money. what was said by multiple people in that documentary about the company was the employees say it's not just that they like the benefits are good and the pay is good. It's that those things show that they actually value us as people. Like we're not just here to make them rich. Like we're here because they actually like we're doing something together. Like we're all part of this. 42:10 it's it's interesting. They they're they're very big on all their philanthropy stuff. They're very big on treating their people people well and they've got some kind of crazy foundations from the crucifixion of some random stranger started at all. Who would have thought that faith? I don't think that started it. Do you think that started it? Well, I mean really he was if it wasn't for that guy, 42:40 getting crucified or crucifying himself, he would have never got admitted into the mental hospital and he would have just continued selling soap to survive and then going and preaching his message. Okay, but getting admitted in the present in the mental hospital changed him to where now he just sold soap to get his message out there. So change his messages that he had a fan who crucified who tried to crucify himself. Yeah, and then that's what jump started his stuff. You think that's the message? I don't think that that's the message. I'm just thinking that that's 43:10 part of the story and that's a fundamental part of the story. Yes, yeah. Imagine being that influential though. 43:21 Imagine having that kind of influence. 43:28 to help our show grow. We just need one of you. We just need one. Just need one brave soul. God, can you imagine if it happens and then they play that clip on the news? 43:47 Please don't. I feel like we have to say the official position of this podcast is that you should not crucify yourself. Wow, that's crazy nuts nuts. So yeah, that's dr. Bronner. I feel like we should try to find the bottle so we can read this soap label somewhere. I mean I've got it on the internet. We've got it literally right here. I know, but I'm saying like look, it cuts off at the bottom. Like I want to be able to read it on like. I feel like we can find this soap somewhere. I mean we can read it right in here. If you can keep your head 44:16 If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting to if you can wait and not be tired by waiting or being lied about, don't deal in lies or being hated. Don't give a give way to hating. See, I'm not that that's where the sentence ended. That whole thing was one sentence and I'm going to be honest. I don't know the point of that sentence. Oh, well, it's you're not enlightened. 44:44 I do see it says down here underneath like psychedelic assisted therapy and then it says support PS 20 fiddle off. 45:03 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of things on the last night. If you liked it and you want more of it, here's another guy who had some crazy ideas and tried to push it on some people El Ron Hubbard Scientology. You might know him from the giant blue building in Los Angeles or Tom Cruz. So we did a whole episode about the founding of that and the crazy cookie ideas that they've got. It's I don't care to make fun of them. They're weird and if you if you want early access to next week's episode, you can join our our Patreon 45:32 Where we get early access to episodes free, know, no ads all that kind of stuff and then you get to join Our discord where we hang out and talk and like you can give ideas that way. It's a really good time So thanks for supporting our show genuinely. 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How Vladimir Putin Took Power (and Never Let Go) | Ep 267

04-01-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, welcome to things on the last night. Quick listener note for this episode. This is one that we recorded three years ago and it was supposed to release on March first of twenty twenty two and then a couple days before release, Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine and so we thought that was in poor taste to release an episode about Putin in the middle of this and yeah, especially like in the height of the 00:25 of that yes and especially considering this is a comedy podcast and we joke around. There's a lot of bits and jokes in the episode yeah and we didn't feel like it was appropriate appropriate at that yeah yeah, but now it's been a while and it does seem like a lot of people maybe don't know the history or how he came to become the dictator of Russia and so we think that might be an important thing because you actually do learn all the stuff in this show. 00:48 And so even though this is three years old, so obviously the past three years is an included part of the end of the episode. We do talk about what his vision was because he hadn't invaded Ukraine at that point when we recorded and we talked about, you know what he look like was happening. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we hope this episode gives you a little more understanding of what's going on in the world. And you know, it's a, it's a good episode. And so we're releasing it three years later. 01:15 And I think that it's going to be informative. We hope it's informative anyway. So, but also it's a comedy podcast. So have fun. Enjoy this. Also, I feel like it should be said that the official position of this podcast is that Russia's the bad guy. And then if you find yourself being like, maybe Russia's not the bad guy, you're wrong. 01:41 Like this isn't one of the things where I'm willing to be like, it's nuanced. It's not. It's not. So, at all. It's not, you know. So anyway, you're wrong. And if that angers you that this show is explicitly anti-Russian, I just want to say to you and your little bot friends... So, this is the episode. 02:13 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Vladimir Putin? Oh, oh my goodness. I have wanted an episode about anything else. I have been asking for just I specifically said don't do an episode about Putin and here we are. You've been asking for an episode about blue. I am super curious yeah. You know I don't know how 02:43 good. The main thing I'm curious about is the pictures and you know what I'm talking about where he said no exactly. We'll about it. We'll talk about okay. It's just like what's that him trolling was that serious like that's the main thing that's what's got that. You know I just you know is Vladimir Poon and AI he might be he could be honestly. I think you're going to be surprised how much we're going to talk about aliens in this episode. Shut up. Are you serious? No, not at all. 03:12 my heart dropped. I was like gosh, of course it would be all right. Well, I tell you what we do. We do be putting on the theme song, so go ahead and roll that real quick. 03:28 back. We like how corrupt you were. Would you like to corrupt with us? I'm just doing that so we don't get killed. I'm saying it's possible. They're like we're Russians were better than them. Just fight them. If a man is standing in front of flames saying that I'm going to shoot all of you, I don't even need to see a gun either. I'm out. Yeah, I did. Yeah, things I learned last night. 03:58 so so our pal Vlad, not our pal, we're not friends of them. I we should edit that part yeah Vladimir Putin. Can you guess his middle name? Oh gosh, Igor, nope, hold on power, no good guess, control, good guess, also a good guess, money, good, great guess. These are great guesses. What is it? His name is his full name is Vladimir Vladimir, O Vich, Putin, 04:31 You picked the wrong time to take a sip of water. 04:40 honey. That is a great name. We should do it again. name is Vlad Vlad. Are you kidding me right now? Vlad Vlad Putin, Vladimir Vladimir, a bitch, Putin, 04:53 Okay, you can pick. You can pick his first name. If I get to pick his mail, I get to pick both both my name. This is Jaron Junior. His full name is Jaron Jaron. We legally change our last day to Jared, so could be Jeren Jeren Jeren 05:18 My hope is that when I'm a ghost every time someone says his name all up here, yes, he said my name three times you summoned me, you summoned. I don't want to answer phone calls from now on you summoned so Vlad Vlad Vlad Vlad was born in nineteen fifty two. This is okay. Here's the reason I was really interested just before we get into the whole episode. 05:43 is that I when you think of like dictators or people who are like in chart be insane people in roles of power, like I guess my brain is just like they just been there forever. Yeah, you know yeah, but our old Vlad didn't rise to power until like the two thousand something. Yeah, I mean he has been there for basically forever yeah, but not forever. You know right, but I'm saying like yeah, I'm interested in how he became 06:10 go ahead yeah. So we'll look at look at his story Vladimir, but a lot of time on how he got the where he is now his dad, vladam, vladam dad, a mere dad, a mere and his wife. It gave they his dad's name was also vladimir yeah obviously, so yeah. So vlad was born in Russia, 06:39 and during the Soviet Union era, it was born fifty two Soviet was pretty big at that time. They were yeah, they're pretty popular, yeah, really popular. Everybody was talking about them yeah, and he as a young child was weirdly interested in being in the KGB. If you don't know the KGB is basically their they sell cars. 07:10 he was like that website can look at a car, tell you how much it's worth. I want to be one of those. I want to be that website. No the KGB was basically the Soviet Union CIA, but if the CIA was really corrupt, no so yeah exactly the same, but the KGB was like the CIA. If they were 07:31 bad at covering up what they're doing yeah. The KG is at least good enough that the only people who realize are like people who can't spell in the YouTube comments. That's that's when people who know what the CIA is actually doing right. The KGB is the CIA. They just got caught, so yeah, they're pretty accurate. He really, really wanted to be in the KGB and so at the age of young age from a young age at the age of sixteen, he actually went to the local KGB office and was like. What do I got to do? 08:00 to be in the KJB off it or KGB or like be one of you can. I want to be like you. How do I do that and the guy I want to be like you? No, no, no, no, want to walk like you talk like you too yeah and the guy said murder people, but the guy away with it. But now the guy said go to law school, never come here again. I said yeah really yeah, so 08:29 so Vladimir said okay, so he started planning his journey towards law school. Meanwhile, his parents thought he should get involved in extracurriculars for a few reasons. One, both of his siblings died and he was pretty distraught of what different things. Okay, there's not really they just died, so both of his siblings died obviously very traumatic. He was left as the only child left in the family. 08:58 his family was very not well off. They shared. They shared an apartment with six other families really yeah, and he talks about killing the rats in his hallway as a child, so where where does he talk about these things in the phone interview with him? He's her mom yeah. I mean, he's book. He is he's the president, one of the largest countries in the world, like obviously he talks about things sometimes okay, so we've got record of it. 09:26 so yeah he yeah he used to kill the rats and it's always well in his teen years his parents want him to get involved in boxing and during his first match he broke his nose and was like I don't want to do this anymore and so he's actually more like I don't want to do it, but yeah yeah I get it, but ironically somehow he discovered MMA, which is very similar and was like I want to do that yeah he's like boxing too many letters. I like KGB and MMA 09:57 you can't abbreviate boxing. What am I going to call it be box? I just want a box to work, so 10:12 I didn't say it out loud because I realized it still work. You went for it. You for jumped into it. Yep. How do you think it's spelled B O X? Yeah, thanks for asking so he got into M M A and this explains a lot because he dove in hard and loved it and so Putin is just an M. bro, those weird ears 10:37 is he got his cough or he doesn't he does it look at a picture of him right now. Is he your top background looking down? I changed my background for this episode, so he got it really in a ma. He got really in an mma, so he he became a full and they bro was all about it got sponsored by monster energy in sixty eight, but it is in sixty eight, so he's still sixteen yeah he's young and he did this for years went to law school 11:07 and then somehow I don't know how this happened because his advice was go to law school, never come here again, but he made it to the KGB and so he gets hired and that's what they told him to do. He's like how do I get here and they said never come here again and go to law school and he did it and they were like hey. He did what we said, call him, didn't even have to graduate, just went to law school and they were like yep, yep. This is what we wanted you to do. 11:37 so anyways, so he goes to law school and then joins the KGB and in nineteen seventy five he joins the KGB and so he was KGB and and like the height of the KGB stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and he wasn't he wasn't like a like he wanted to be like an operative like overseas, like doing yeah real espionage stuff. He was like I would like to MMA my enemies 12:06 I joined the KGB so I could him and may my enemies. I don't want to box them, so he he never got to do exactly what he wanted like any real serious espionage like he did like so low level spy stuff like like they were like hey your neighbors a little weird. Can you watch him for a few days and let us know what this is back before ring doorbells? So like they just had to pay people you know like I pay the guy outside my apartment. I couldn't afford a ring doorbell, but I can pay that guy 12:36 he's out there with his iPhone and every time some weird walks by, he sends you a text of the motion at your front door. 12:50 the door dash guy drops off the food. He's a right. Thanks. I'll let him know and then he knocks on the door and goes do do do's 13:03 you open the door like thanks Reggie Reggie Reggie the Reggie my ring door. What 13:20 so he KJB for a while yeah. I keep saying KJ KG KJV he KJ Ved for a while and it the majority of his time he spent posted in Dresden, East Germany, okay, and so while he was there he was he had an undercover identity as a translator, so he's translating in German for people, so recover them didn't actually know how to do it. It's like 13:46 as long as I'm confident about German speaking German in Germany, no one will notice nine yeah. 14:00 so he he was posted there and it was kind of just like I don't know. He did a lot of paperwork, some low level spying yeah crazy. He did have one big moment though at the fall of the Berlin Wall. When when the wall came down, he was posted in Dresden Germany and there was a lot of people suspected that their office was a KGB office and so the locals came with a disguised as a translation office. Yeah, they were translators 14:28 welcome to the local train. What do they just go like we need this translated? 14:35 Oh, that was before Gula translate like you had the be a local mom and pot translator yeah as I'm serious. Is that a thing? I don't know. I wasn't alive. You're store for a translator. Maybe I want you to go down to the five and dime. Give me some give me some English and a sort of pop and then also but you get this translated while you're down there. I'm looking to sit get some German yeah and then like 15:05 if they translate German to Russian, do you to go to a different store for this translated to a different language? This is serious. This is a complex scenario. I don't know the answer to this, so if you do leave it in the comments below or leave a review about it, I don't know how much demand was there. You had a storm front 15:31 here's my guess. Evidently not much because everybody knew it was a KGB office. Oh for sure, so when the best one I'm saying that's what I'm saying like these guys are obviously rations. Someone came in with a pop up translation desk. It's like it's like walking downtown and seeing an information desk on the sidewalk. You're like that's suspicious. This is not good yeah, so a bunch of like a riot formed outside of 15:56 their office when the Berlin Wall went down. They're like we know who you are yeah, and so they called Moscow and they were like hey. We need some help. These people are freaking out. There's like four of them there like they expected nothing to happen in this town right, but the wall went down and so they but Moscow was like now we think you guys can handle it. Moscow was like speak Russian. Moscow was like. Can you go to the local translator and translate this message? 16:25 we can't understand you, so they they moscow was like. We think you could handle it, so there's an angry mom outside for a view. I don't know what are you didn't one of you be a mma fighter or something like that, fight him or something. They're like we're russians were better than them. Just fight them. You'll win. That's honestly probably what it was. That is word for word the phone call. So here's what happened. Putin was in charge of this branch 16:53 right, and so he ordered his team to burn all their files. So in the back room they just caught all their files files on fire, just in case whoops. He went outside by himself and went to the crowd and said if you don't leave, we will shoot all of you. They didn't have a gun. He just went outside and confidently said if you don't leave, we'll shoot all of you and everybody left 17:18 What were they even say? Where do they they come? Where do they come from? We know who you are, translate this gun. You will be to the wall is gone. You get out here and then he's come that goes. Hey guys, if you don't stop, I'm going to shoot every single one of you. It's like all right. I think I got somewhere else to be convincing, saying German. Can you translate that translate that to German? 17:48 We don't understand you. 17:54 Yeah Yeah Yeah, so that's a he just confidently yelled that to a crowd of people. Yes, if you don't leave, I'll shoot all of you and while fire is happening by in the translating, so it's like you know what I think I don't even need a translator for this message. I get it so so if a man is standing in front of flames saying that I'm going to shoot all of you, I don't even need to see a gun either. I'm out yeah. get it yeah cool. 18:26 so so the brother wall goes down the Soviet Union falls his fingers in the jacket like a gas station robber. I'll shoot every one of you 18:47 I'll do it! 18:52 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 19:04 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 19:37 okay, so sorry, the visual yeah yeah. That's pretty funny, so yes, I left and then they had to leave the translation, so they can't go back the next day. No, no, no, yeah. They went home. They went back to Russia shortly after land lord, though you show up to your building the next day here. Okay, what happened here? So the brother wall falls shortly after the Soviet Union falls yeah and the KGB gets shut down because what happens is Russia gets reorganized and they adopt democracy 20:06 really because the west made them yeah. They say like they say you're a democracy now, okay and the KGB gets shut down. So now right that is looking for a job fly, fly, fly, fly, fly, that's looking for a job very, very angry because when the Soviet Union fell a bunch of Russia became new countries that are not Russia anymore and so they're like all this our land mother Russia. It's not you know that stuff they say 20:36 you know russian stuff. Yeah, I look at my nesting dolls. You know Russian stuff. 20:48 So they so he goes back to St. Petersburg, which is this hometown Florida St. Petersburg, Florida 21:10 go ahead. Gosh, that got me really good, so he goes back to St. Petersburg, and something interesting happens here. He goes he this is his hometown. Yeah, it wasn't. It was Leningrad when he was born, but now it's things Petersburg because you know, so it you didn't sure it's gone, so he he like he became an advisor of the mayor of the town. 21:38 how that lined up. I'm not really sure the mayor spoke German, so he needed a translator. Oh you're from that change leader office, dressed yeah. I remember that you shot all those people. I said I would leave, but I didn't didn't they left, so he he became their advisor and in a strange set of circumstances. He went from what year is this 22:07 this is nineteen ninety okay. He spent some time as the advisor went through this really, really weird political legal scenario that kind of led to his the mayor getting in some serious hot water for some like fraud type stuff okay, and he helped him and his family escape the country blad did yeah. 22:35 glad glad help the may yeah escape the can get out of the country okay. Well, the mayor was tied really close to the president of the country and the president was like things like doing that yeah. That's pretty cool of you. You want to come work at the would you like to advise me as well? He was like you want to come work at the Kremlin, which is the White House. They call it the Kremlin right and so he did so he came in in ninety six as like a low level advisor in 23:04 the Kremlin and worked his way up, which sounds I've always thought this to sounds evil. You know, like it just let's analyze the word. Let's be criminalin yeah. That sounds very that sounds criminal like well. I was even that I was saying. I was thinking maybe it's just I think Grimlin and they did that on purpose to they hated the Russians for sure right, but it does sound that sounds like Kremlin 23:33 sounds like there's like a sketchy lamp on the street and a spooky looking goblin thing yeah is called a crimlin yeah yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, it sounds evil, sounds very evil, so anyway, that's what they call the administration. He works his way up the political ladder there okay ends up becoming Boris Yeltsin, who's the president in the late nineties yeah like his right hand man, but 24:00 only in like how not in title, but in like just so he's helping the mayor escape the country. That's an illegal thing. He was already doing something sketchy yes, so then if you're working your way up through already corrupt yeah, everyone's like hey, you were pretty corrupted. We like how corrupt you were. Would you like to corrupt with us? 24:28 Yeah, that's pretty accurate. You corrupted 24:34 high corrupta, so so that's what I'm saying is that if corruption brought him into the circle, then more corruption is what advances him in the circle. Yes, so assume we can assume yes. Meanwhile, he so he becomes Boris Elton's like right hand man only in like action, not in title like he's still kind of a low lever level advisor in title. Boris Yeltsin was an incredibly corrupt politician and he set up a scenario where 25:03 he honestly kind of farmed out political leadership of the country to the seven wealthiest people in the country. They called them the oligarchs and they were the billionaires in the country that basically made all the political decisions for the country, which is the same as ours. We call ours the olive garden. 25:20 once a year, one year, the CEO of Olive Garden, Tim Cook, Bezos comes out of his or cave, and if he sees his shadow taxes go. 25:39 well, the olive garden gremlin saw a shadow looks like I'm paying more for my house this year. I guess yeah yeah, that's pretty accurate so so so very corrupt president right yeah and things were starting to catch up to him and it looked like so corruption. Was it being hidden well enough? Yeah, they weren't. They weren't hiding it yeah. I mean they weren't to begin with, but it wasn't being hidden enough to yeah like you guys aren't even trying anymore. 26:07 and some of the things that he had done were starting to come to light and it looked like he was going to face the music per se okay, and this very strange set of circumstances unfolded starting in about November of nineteen ninety nine that unraveled really quickly okay, so Boris fired his Prime Minister and replaced him with Vladimir Putin. What role would he is a Prime Minister in Russia, basically Vice President? Oh okay, so he fires his 26:38 prime minister and puts his literal number two yeah and then puts Vladimir Putin in that role from so Vlad Vlad Vlad jumps from like whatever low position advisor role nobody knows who he is to now he's the prime minister yeah of the country and everyone's like who is this guy? Nobody knows who he is. He's my server at all garden once don't worry about it at the end of December abruptly. Nobody saw this coming for us. He all yelson just steps down 27:07 he yells and I hear as a he yelled something Boris yells. No one saw this coming. No, Boris, he said just resigned, making Vladimir Putin the president in December of ninety nine in December of ninety nine. That's what I'm saying, and so he just became president overnight. Well, the elections were coming up a few months down the line about four or five months down the line. Okay, in two two thousand 27:38 flad becomes president two months later, a series of bombings happens around Russia that get traced back to a group of terrorists and Chesnia, which is one of the countries that used to be part of used to be part of Russia. Yes, so Vlad as acting president takes and this was this wasn't like a like small, but like three hundred people died like it was a huge 28:07 yeah geopolitical event and so Vlad swiftly like the next day sends a massive military force to Chesnia and just declares war on them annexes it and takes it back for Russia and she comes Russia's hero and so two months later when open elections come, everybody votes for like it's a landslide like ninety percent of the nation votes for flat. There was a thing that was a little. There was about nine people 28:36 who ran in this election and ninety percent voted for him yeah, because we think that was legit. was the hero, so there has been a lot of talk about what happened here. The theory is that Boris knew he was in a lot of trouble and he knew that Vlad was corrupt and was a good friend and would protect him yeah, and so he fired his Prime Minister, who he didn't trust put Vlad in that spot step down so Vlad could become President and then 29:05 then they and then a bombed and blame so that way Vlad could go invade and become the hero and become president and the first thing that did was grant him amnesty and so oh yeah it's it seems very likely that that's the scenario well, especially now with even more hindsight of like the past you know twenty something years of who Vladimir has shown himself to be yeah we go. 29:31 Oh yeah, I bet you now, but that was just totally legitimate in the year two thousand okay, so that was a lot of independent sure studies have happened to say that that was not the case, but that didn't happen, but anybody the accident anybody anybody who has tried to study into this within Russia has been imprisoned, so there's a lot of things that point to that being 30:00 pretty pretty planned out you know or to if we did a benefit of the doubt scenario right, Boris steps down lads in power now and there's hoping that he wins the election. Yeah, you know, but then the bombing do happen. It is let's say it is yeah, you know and it's just kind of like a oh that was just you know, but it's super convenient that they capitalized off of the disaster right. Yes, yeah, also possible 30:30 all he said now with enough time to do a campaign. If there was going to be one yeah yeah, so he becomes legitimate. I'm just doing that, so we don't get killed. I'm saying it's possible it's possible. If this is our last episode, you know which one you know what happened yeah yeah. Go on down to the translation office, so you can understand that we're on your side yeah. Just Google Translator 30:58 I'll find you the nearest translator. 31:08 so Putin does his first presidency and it's totally legitimate for your term like right and for the most part he does a really good job like being a politician. Everybody loves him and he does a really good job swaying opinion to where everybody continues to love him. Okay, he did do a couple relatively sketchy things. For example, one of the oligarchs in a meeting was 31:38 he was a little bit more western mindset than the rest of oligarchs. The rest of them were much more eastern and he in a meeting with the president basically voiced his opinion that they should try to steer away from the old Russian ways. Vlad is a very much Soviet Union, KGB kind of mindset right and so that guy went to prison for fourteen months and his companies got broken up and now he lives not in Russia has come out of prison and lives somewhere else, so 32:07 somewhere else. So yeah, he did some so some things, some sketchy things, but by and large like did a pretty decent job being just like a normal relatively under the radar president. That's just being political right sure, so his second term comes up for renewal and he wins that presidency again, and so he's president until two thousand and eight during this presidency. What he does is he started this political process to extend the term limit 32:37 from four years to six years, which passes. However, it passes so close to the next election that they say okay. The current president can't do it neither can the following. So the press after that keep will then have a six year term on sure, so that would go into effect in the twenty twelve election is the idea, but they had they also had a term limit of two terms, so lab in two thousand and eight 33:05 he at the end of his second term at the end of his second term. He hires a plastic surgeon to change his face completely and he starts going by his middle name. 33:25 Vladimir, you can call me Vladimir. You know for short. 33:38 but I am running for president. I have a totally different guy who's never been president in this country before, and if you have any questions you shouldn't. If you have any questions, I will shoot you. 34:09 I have 34:14 my gosh, so so who does he hire? So he hires a prime minister, Dimitri Medvedev, a comedian, 34:28 he has a prime minister, Demetri Medvedev and starts gruelling him to be his replacement, and so in two thousand and eight he was successful. Demetri won the presidential campaign, became the president of Russia. Okay, Demetri names as his prime minister Vladimir Putin sure and Vlad continues running the country. Yeah, you know. I mean every it's kind of conical to watch the speeches 34:58 the presidential speeches during these four year term because they literally walk out together and then Vlad waves to everybody like he's the president. It's pretty wild to watch these things because he just puts his hand up there and you just see Vlad's mouth kind of moving just and Demetri is just like I am a man, you know 35:25 I'm a one hundred percent real human, a real boy and so it's pretty wild, a realistic literally walk out together and then like the wave and it's. mean Vlad is the person that everyone's everyone's taking pictures of flat and then and then just points to the mic and Demetri walks up in front of him and he just stands right next to him the whole speech and then they walk out together. It's like really weird and if he says something glad leans in and just 36:04 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 36:32 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 37:04 and so he's effectively president still yeah in two thousand eight yeah in two thousand eight and here's the thing about Russia. There is no limit to how many terms you can run as president. You can only do two consecutive though and their democracy. So in two thousand twelve Medvedev doesn't run yeah so Putin runs and then Putin wins by a landslide again because he still had like decent political 37:30 influence over the country and also he just stood there for four years. People are like I feel like if I don't vote for this, I like this guy. Oh, he's told me a lot. He's told me a lot that if I don't for him, they'll shoot me and I don't want to everyone. I want to. I've never seen him with a but I have to stand in front of a fire, so so this unlocks he is six year term. Yes, so now he gets to be president until 37:56 2018 where there'll be another election and he can run for a second six year term in or something different than so this is this is really interesting. So does this term this term is where things start to get really interesting for Putin and you start to see his KGB history really blossom yeah. It was 38:20 it exist his first two terms. think he was playing the long game back then his first two terms. There was propaganda. There was the state controlled all the media sure, but it wasn't like it wasn't obvious this term Russia starts, you know, do she in yeah Russia starts. I don't know influencing overseas elections online and doing all this espionage proof. They did that huh? 38:50 there's no proof. They did that they they start doing all this stuff that everyone's chasing back to them yeah that are like oh this makes sense when your president is a former spy yeah like a really corrupt organization like that. Of course he's going to do spy stuff and that's what their rationale was like he's just spying yeah. What do you expect? You expect a spy not to spy spies will be spies. I know it yeah. 39:17 think of him as a rain doorbell in front of our nation right, and now he starts getting really aggressive towards the post Soviet states, all those okay, the land that they lost in right so we Russia and so the biggest one being Ukraine, which is actually becoming a thing again right, and so he's annexed through this term. He goes to war with a lot of these nations and starts annexing land back into Russia successfully and so 39:48 he's pretty clearly on a campaign to get Soviet Russia back. Because I mean, he is one of those people who was a part of it before and he's trying to get his land back, you know, and anybody who stands in his way as an enemy now. So a lot of the Western world is an enemy of that cause and he is doing this almost psychological warfare as his spy background trains him. 40:12 and is in a background. They're really into cyclone or f really in the you got it where the head goes, the body goes yes, yes, yep, you know and so this a whole new side of Putin comes out and he starts to seem a lot more irrational, but his early terms. He actually had a lot of western countries that were willing to ally with his playing politics before he was he was and now he's like I'm in charge. He's like he's like I I'm good. I game the system. I gave myself a six year limit yeah 40:42 I was not president for four years. He was now I've I've established myself and I can get away with a lot yeah. 40:50 and and then things start getting crazy like he starts like well. I shouldn't say he starts all signs point to them starting to kill like anybody even within their own country who go against what they say. So like news reporter is people in their staff like so now there's no opponents seriously dying yeah. While twenty eighteen rolls around, I should say during this first term he passed 41:20 or no is the second time so twenty eighteen rolls around. He runs and wins because it's crazy like he has a really high approval rating in Russia yeah, which is probably real as a pro, an authentic metric yeah and their elections are probably totally authentic as well. Yes, so he wins this election right after by what margin a significant. I don't know what margin but significant wins this election 41:50 and after the twenty eighteen election, he passes into law an amendment to the constitution, which changes your consecutive term lent from term limit from two terms to four terms. So now the rest of his life he could now it went from his second term was going to end in twenty twenty four and he was going to have to do some weird prime minister thing again. If you wanted to stay in office, but now he can stay thirty six till twenty thirty six 42:19 with his moments as long as he can win the elections, which I mean he will, which I mean 42:30 He will. All right. Vote for me or I'll shoot you. With my very real gun. 42:40 but so yeah, so some very I'm saying like what is so why you know like why? Why does everyone fall in line with dictators? I guess you know the murder yeah suave. I don't know like they're convincing. They convince people of these things. Here's the thing here's. Here's what's becoming pretty clear. I watched it. I list a podcast about this and they talked about how they said Russia is failing at democracy. 43:10 but maybe that's their goal right right. They were like because then the other side of propaganda is democracy doesn't work look yep. You know they said they said they're very much succeeding as an autocracy and what it really seems they're to show russians that democracy doesn't work yeah yeah and that's why they're trying to do. They're doing smear campaigns on the United States yeah to make it look like our democracy doesn't work. You know trying to convince their people so that way 43:40 then and that's what's super hilarious to not hilarious. It's actually terrifying and it's you ruining my life, but it gives me a lot of anxiety, but when people share very clear propaganda yeah and it's the people who are saying that all the rest of us are falling for propaganda yeah. This is where I go. Oh boy yeah and that's what scary is like view of propaganda is if you're going to do it like be. I mean at least be good at it. I said this before thing yeah. I know 44:08 Yeah, at least I am falling for some crazy scheme. At least they've done it well enough that I don't know yeah that I can't pick up what's annoying is whenever you're falling for a scheme that is very obvious to the rest of us. If you're going to if you're going to fake something at least be like I don't know little Michaela and do it well yeah don't be like essential oils where it's like the rest of us can tell oh my gosh, you know. 44:36 it looks very clear like the situation we're in is Vlad wants to restore soviet Russia and so he wants to restore it away from democracy back to what it was before and then get all the land back and the invasions that he keeps mounting are pretty clear evidence to that sure and the just political control over the world that he has is 45:03 is scary. Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty staggering yeah, so yeah, but a little bit about the guy. He does have two daughters. He was married, got divorced in twenty twelve 45:18 you cannot. You cannot do a whole episode about his political triumphs and then give me his plenty of fish profile at the end. All right, he's got two daughters. He just really loves you know mountain bike. Here's what's interesting. Here's what's interesting, though. There's this is interesting. Nobody knew about one of his daughters until the divorce. They knew he had one. No one knew he had the second to the divorce and then the divorce paperwork came out and it had like the the visitation rights and everyone's like what you have a second daughter. 45:48 and he he was like he's like my personal life is no one else's business and he's done a really good job hiding his life from the world. That's crazy, but he also has this whole side of him of his personal life that is very public curated and it's very interesting because he he'll go do these mma tournaments where he's beaten some dude down and there's a really great photograph of him that comes out of that. Do you think 46:15 hey, so I mean at that point and this is this analogy tracks all right. He's Harlem globe trotting at the MMA fights. You know I'm talking about. He is paying somebody to be the Washington generals to just take a beating and he's like spitting basketballs, just knocking him out at the same time. You know the refs are in on it. The whole thing's rigged yeah. Actually, Harlem, yeah and he's doing this too. He's going hunting 46:44 and he's posing shirtless like flexing with a tiger like and it's just one of his aids and a tiger cost or he'll have like a giant his coat pointed toward the tiger. I'll have this big fish or there'll be pictures of him on his Harley and it's like he's always got these like photos coming out over the weekend of like what did Putin do this weekend and it's like oh super manly stuff. It's like oh he read he is he is constantly a men's conference advertisement. 47:15 Yeah, actually, because it is like he's always straight list. He's always like doing something like camping or fighting something or riding his motor cycle. He straight up does have a thirsty boy tender profile life. Yes, yes, he's got the pit. He's got the fish. He's got the picture smiling with his family minus one daughter. You know yeah he's got that. What's that? What's that? What's that book? 47:45 it's got wild in the title and while the heart yeah, while that heart he's wild at heart. If a dictator did it, you know yeah, dictator art, he's wild at heart. If the people who read it had as much influence as he does, so yeah very much trying to portray this public persona of a man's man, mainly strong, powerful yeah, because he wants the world to think that that's who he is. 48:12 right and his people to think that's who he is. So he continues to get voted president, so that way he can turn Russia back into the Soviet Union. I think that's his goal. I think that's his whole. Do you think he's setting up stuff for when he's done or when he's gone? No, because actually he's been asked about that, so he's not he's not training a successor or anything like that yeah. So they asked him. They said they said. Don't you think you should start a succession playing because he's like seventy five and he said no 48:40 No, he's literally said if he said if we're working to find a successor, then we're not working and so and so he is actively working. Here's what I think is the reality. There's somebody he has for when he dies is God and he he hasn't told anybody the bear. He's just going to put a bear in charge. 49:07 that or he's got like some crazy scientist like figuring out how to make him live forever. That's also probably true like and I mean he's he's super rich. He's got or he died fifteen years ago. It's just an AI running the whole thing. We don't know if I it's a bot, not a he's a bot Vladimir button. That's what it is so yeah he man, the more the more I read about him and learn about him yeah. I realize 49:37 he's really kind of just honestly, and this is going to be weird, but stay with me here. Okay, taken to as a person like a movie sequel, the movie take a sequel. Yeah, the sequel that's a form because in taken one out of let me summarize the plot. If you don't remember, it's been taken one Liam Neeson started gets kidnapped. She needs well she gets taken she gets taken. Sorry I got to use the right way. Thank you is branding 50:06 so his daughter gets taken. He goes and he kills everybody was somewhat closely involved in yeah the interaction and gets her back and taken to the family of the people who lost loved ones to that was like we need to go kill this guy okay, and so then they try and he's he's gets away. He gets away. Putin is the family of the people who Liam Neeson killed 50:36 okay and Liam Neeson is the West. The West came in and destroyed the Soviet Union and okay and is like I'm he just out for revenge. I'm going to get out for political yeah and he's like I'm going to restore soviet Soviet Union to its original glory. We're going to get all our nations back on our land back. It's going to be all soviet Russia and then everybody who made this happen is so he's a scary man. Hopefully he doesn't make it through all of his four terms coming up because 51:05 he has pretty much on brittle control over the nation of Russia right now yeah and is starting to gain pretty much unbredled control over the populace of a lot of other nations because of his usage of the internet and bots dead internet, Russian internet, Russian internet theory wow so scary man kind of crazy the way he rose power. I don't think he ever intended it. I think it was an accident 51:34 you think he accidentally just got into power yeah, because because because after after the Soviet Union fell, he got that job that was kind of just like well. need a job now and one thing led to another and he got to save that guy and that led him into the White House of Russia and he got close with Boris and Boris used him. You know, I think there's a part of this whole story that you're missing. What is when with the mayor 52:02 the reason he was connected with the mayor is that he gave the mayor's children fiddle lessons and now he goes back and they have a fiddle. 52:19 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. you liked it, you can watch next week's episode right now over on Patreon. Our Patreon supporters get all sorts of great perks like the every episode a week early ad free. They get access to a discord with our hosts and our producers and a whole bunch of other great perks and different things that make it worth your while. 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Many people know Vladimir Putin as Russia’s leader, but not everyone knows how he became so powerful. We must look at Vladimir Putin’s journey to truly understand Russia today. This story shows how one person can change an entire country. Vladimir Putin’s Early Life Vladimir Putin was born in Russia in 1952 during the Soviet Union. He grew up in … Read More

This Magician Fooled the CIA | Uri Geller Ep 266

03-24-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, the government figured out mind control and they use this one weird trick to do it. Yuri Geller was an illusionist who claimed to the very end that he was not an illusionist that he really did have special gifts and he was CIA certified like they were studying him and the CIA was even convinced that this guy is legitimately doing these things yeah yeah hey it's a March twenty fifth. What do you got going on nothing? 00:25 Sweet all right. Well, thanks for checking out. Okay, so this is things on those nights comedy podcast. It's an evergreen network podcast. You can check us out there, but all of my shows are in jerryminers.com slash shows. We're getting into Easter. It's the time of the year where like I maybe stuff will pop up. I usually don't have a whole lot till after Easter, but after Easter I do have pretty busy schedule, so come hang out. 00:48 Hey man. What's up? Hey man. 00:52 Have you ever heard of Yuri Geller, Yuri, Yuri Geller, Yuri Geller? Yeah, yeah, hurry. It might be early, Yuri, early. I think it's Yuri, Jerry, Yuri, Yuri Geller. Have ever heard of him? No, we've actually talked about it on this podcast before we have. Yeah, we have, but we haven't done an episode about it. He's Ross's brother. 01:16 Yeah, close. Here's a picture of him. Maybe this will help you. If you see him, maybe you'll know who he is. Ready? 01:32 blocking out the haters. Here's another picture of here's another this point out. I don't know if you can tell he's a big guy. I hold on to that. Let me say that again. I don't mean it's a big spoon guy. I mean like he's he loves spoon. He's a big spoon man. Why I'm trying to put together why we would have talked about Yuri Geller before 01:57 Cause he loves... He loves spoons. This guy must love spoons. 02:08 Okay, it's picture guys. We have so much. Let me show you another one. This one might make you help you get it ready. Yeah, 02:25 Oh, are you faking it? Do you know what this is? I know I what if I show you this one been the is he an illusionist yeah yeah yeah there you go, there you go, yeah you're catching on you're catching on he is 02:38 okay, here's the thing he's not and he doesn't brand himself and as a losing an illusionist, he's a psychic. He is a psychic sure, so here's the story of that guy drives around in a car covered with spoons. 02:56 My favorite thing about it is it's not even like a great car and I think it's a hearse dude. You think that you see this skull on the front? I think that's a hearse. could be a hearse. That's kind of that's kind of freaking actually covered her soon. Her's that's kind of cool. Here's the thing though. I'm not sure like if the spoons on the sides. I don't know if those are real spoons like that might be like a like a rap. I mean obviously the top. Those are definitely spoons. 03:23 but like I'm saying, I definitely sticking off the side yeah sure yes. I don't know because if you look at the front by like the by the headlight that looks like a rap. I don't think so. I don't know anyways. This guy he's the spoon guy. He's the guy who made the spoon bending thing a thing okay. So if you don't know Christian illusionists do this thing where they all hold you hold hands like four people 03:46 and then they do something weird to the for the first person's hand. They go and the spoon bends in a bag for hands away kind of thing and they open it they go. The only illusion is the illusion. The devil sold you when he told you that life was going to make you happy, but what's going to make you happy is following Christ. The true illusion is following for the sins of the world. All right, 04:13 that's what they do. I don't know they they spin it at the end all right. Oh my God, speaking of spinning at the end. Another thing is artists love to paint and they spin it upside down. It was Jesus the whole time, so maybe that's if you turn the car picture upside down, it's Jesus. Don't do it. Get out this. Move on to the next bit. Okay, why are we talking about this guy pretty interesting stuff? You know he's an illusionist. He does the spoon stuff and 04:41 He married this girl and then he died and that girl died in his house and that's kind of it. Oh, remind me to talk to you about that at the end of the fill. Of course. Yeah, of course. So Yuri started his 04:57 life as a child and he was a grade school. He had a he had an experience and so here's what happened. He was he punctured his tongue with a fork and said never again ever again. Well, I touch one of these and so instead he just damaged spoons for the rest of his life. No he he had a moment. He was at school and he was on the play playground and you know plan and then he looked and then something got his eye 05:26 and he looked up at the sky and it was a silver flying disc and he said in that moment he felt this connection to this dead serious. He felt the connection to this disc. No, it is he felt the connection to this disc and he has since talked about this experience as an adult. Okay, and says I don't know what exactly happened there. He said I think it could have been a few things said. I think it could have been my mom and dad were fighting the night before and I just needed a reason to carry on 05:58 okay, that I got made fun of in the class right before that and I just really needed a reason to feel special. Okay, I could have been 06:08 that I was getting shipped off to a church camp I didn't want to go to that summer and I was really afraid that I was not going to make any new friends. But then when I got there, I met this counselor and he was like, you're going to fit in great. And then that counselor was actually really mean to me on Thursday night and kind of forced me to go forward and raise my hand and say that I accepted Jesus even though I didn't really feel anything. And he stood there and made sure that I spoke in tongues. And I was like, I don't even know what this means. Then he was like, you just got to do it. And I was like, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he was like, that's ASMR. I'm not falling for that. 06:32 and I was like stupid a by and he was like that's the Lord. He wasn't and I'm the thing played with that guilt and so I just needed a reason to get out of this world and so I imagine that a spaceship is going to come and take me away to playground and then so that's probably what that was though. That was one of the things he said and he said or it could have been or it could have been or a alien. Exactly yeah. He said it could have been aliens and they could have been trying to communicate to me and that's what I felt and he said or 06:59 it could have been or one of my classmates was trying to steal all the snack cakes from the cafeteria and I was just creating a diversion. So I said look at that big thing in the sky and all the speakers came out and everyone looked and I was like whoa, but I then me and my buddy were actually sneaking into the cafeteria to sneak all the food and then years later there's a documentary being made because this whole class saw something in the sky, but really it was just me and my friend who made it up the whole time. We're like yeah sorry we made that up. Sorry you flew your documentary crew to Africa to cover this and then we looked at these two identical 07:29 hand drawn dry and we had to watch this podcast or be like look how different they are even though they're the same drawing. You don't talk about yeah, so it could have been that it could have been a he said or it was was that that was the psychologist. What was his name? He was a psychologist who 07:52 believed the kit. Oh, that was about the psychologist because he was it was one those ones where I bait and switch to you. had a toral totally normal. That's right, psychologist career and then all of a sudden he got into aliens. Okay, so anyway, this one's not a bait. This is where we're starting. This one's reversed. Well, I'm going to start with aliens and we're going to we're going to switch later pivot to we're to pivot to I don't know. the normal he said or is it or or it was like God he's like God was speaking to me through this light and like sure blessed me 08:21 or some sort of interdimensional being and he said, but he said whatever it was, or I know for sure is it's not made up in my head. Yeah, well, he actually did say that he said, or maybe it was a projection from in my okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, so maybe it was a projection. He was like it's either aliens or the god of the universe. I know it's not for sure is that it was just made up in my kid brain that I have my kid brain just came up with it, but he said he said whatever it was. It defies explanation because he said at that moment is when he felt the power well up within him sure, and so he then 08:50 had the psychic power and he realized oh, I can read everyone's minds like I know what everyone around is thinking now. I saw that thing and now I know what you're thinking and they're like well, what am I thinking and he's like you didn't actually he's like thing did you I could do it right? I can read your thoughts right now. I do it. 09:18 and you're thinking no, you can't you idiot, how close close that's actually pretty close. You want know what I was thinking? I knew we were thinking you said it. I know you. Do you want to know what I was? Yeah, yeah, I was actually thinking that you were going to say there's no way that he actually liked that gift he's just oh he's all an act. It's just an I let me try. I've been thinking about it ever since I try 09:48 You think Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent? 09:56 that's what he's thinking about middle of this episode. I try to have a that the whole thing is going around in his head is aren't they frame that guy like I definitely didn't do it. There's no way he that. He's not that good. I know for a fact I have it a good confidence that they're lying about that. I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah, it's all I think about 10:19 so yeah he's like he's like i can read everyone's subtle messages in those asmr videos you watch it's all just conspiracies yeah they're 10:35 we're talking about the rats on the moon. What rats on the moon dibs on the band name? Okay deal, so he's like he's like I can read everyone's mind now right right right. He's like that's crazy and so he holds you this point. He's a child. He's like he's in grade school. He's in grade school, so he's realizing your fourth year special home yeah and your fourth grader goes now. I know you're thinking 11:04 and you're like okay, what are you talking about? You can read people's thoughts. We know when you read people's not see how I said at the same time as you, it's like you actually said it like suddenly just all really arrogant and cocky yeah, kind of and all of sudden he realizes that he definitely because he had this in in elementary school. Yeah, he definitely used this to like pick up girls in high school. He was just like 11:40 I just yes, I just know what what a girl wants. You know what girl wants and isn't that a movie? Isn't there a movie? This is like yeah, is Mel Gibson able to read women's minds? What is Mel Gibson? If what a girl wants? No, isn't I don't know what the movie is. It was a man of binds. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not how about what a girl wants. I'm talking about a movie where Mel Gibson can read women's minds. 12:11 that'll give sin mine reading. Oh interesting. It's called what women want. Ah hey, hey, I was close. That's kind of interesting, huh? Strange. Okay yeah, so same. I guess that's use that. We're just like I know what you're thinking girl. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking 12:38 guy's kind of cute. And she's like, no, I wasn't. He's like, hey, hey. 12:48 Yes, you were yes, you were yeah yeah and she's like get away from me like what are you doing? You say that now yeah twenty years from now I'm going to drive a spoon mobile and you're going to regret this. We just see my through this Candice. I don't know what years it was of the eighty. He was born in forty six in Tel Aviv and so he he gets he gets home and he's 13:16 just kind of like wow. I got these powers. What else can I do yeah and so he's practicing around with just many moves stuff yeah he's like he's like think I can move some stuff with my mind and so he starts doing his telekinesis moving stuff around with his mind and this is the this is forty s fifties he's born in forty six so yeah yeah he was like early at this point stuff up yeah. This is when people made stuff up so he allegedly I will say to this is a good 13:45 a little bit of backstory. His grandma sure, I think grandmother is named Margaret Freud and they claim that he's a distant relative of signal Freud on his mother side, but there's never been like connected. It's like yeah, they got the same last name and so he's like. I think he's using that as like a claim to thing. I don't know. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. If it is 14:15 yeah. So he starts like learning. Oh, I can I can move stuff with my mind and he starts taking keys and just different metal objects and bending them with his brain. He's like sitting there bending them. The parents are losing their mind. Everything is bent in their house because he's sitting there going and he's like look what I can and his his dad even said in an interview later in his life. This was an interesting interview. His dad said I don't know what it was about him. 14:45 but his watches always seem to break and I don't break like I don't know what the claim is there. No, like I think it's that they just stopped working like his watch. This watches would just stop working and then I I think the claim the claim is my kid just wanted to spend more time with me, so he broke all my watches, so wouldn't be able to know what time was. I think that I think the claim there is that he had so much magic energy coming off of them that all the gears in the watch stopped working 15:13 like the gears would would bend and break sure, but that does happen. He allegedly was able at times, not all the time, but at times to take the watch and shake it and fix it. I don't know what that you got a cheap watch. Yeah, have you tried shaking it kid? No, this has got to be because my kid is magic because my kids magic okay, so he starts doing like local shows when he gets to high school, sure doing the spoon bending thing 15:42 and then he would do a thing where people would come up and he would have a blackboard up stage from him and they would draw a picture on the blackboard and he would have like a canvas and he would draw the same picture okay, and this is like late fifties at this point yeah, and so this is blowing people's minds. This is like this is early in like magicians doing magician stuff right. It's not I'm pretty sure it was like who do you for literally 16:09 thousands of yeah, yeah, but they but everyone believed it back that like this was the first era like Houdini was the first era where it was like I'm magic, but it's like I'm not actually worshiping the devil. Okay, and what year was Houdini? I don't know ten years before this. We did an episode on them, but I don't I'm not gonna. I'm not going to remember okay. He died like thirty years before this, so yeah, it's still new. It's still fresh, okay, but he's doing not 16:37 he's doing his magic. People are coming in there and they're like oh wow, we've never seen this before. 16:45 They're going. I say this is brand new to us people in the fifties who are who have never seen stuff before they all that trans and as the trans Atlantic yeah, the transit that we can't do yeah yeah. No one talks like that anymore. They should yeah we should. I think they we should try. I think they did it for a very specific reason. They got rid of it or they did the act. No, I think they did it for a specific reason, which was radio waves. 17:15 I think the radio waves like interrupted their voice since they had to talk weird so that way their voice when I get distorted by the radio. I don't think right Alex. No, I think yeah, it's a thing just had transit. Did he say yes? No, I didn't think so, but you just confident way right yeah. Is that the yeah? 17:35 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 18:02 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're to have to start doing mobile game ads. 18:19 so he started doing this. He started doing like theater shows and like little things, but in spinning spins is new thing. No one's ever heard of before called match exactly called shows called theaters. No one had thought of it before. No one had thought about it like man. No, I've never seen this many people in one room yeah, and so he was doing the show yeah and he started to garner a little bit of attention around Israel and he 18:44 got some television like local television appearances sure I ended up having a show called the Geller effect that kind of made him a celebrity in the country where he would do the bending spoons in there was my that's got the whatever effect the car the carbonara effect yeah. Actually, I wondered if that is an homage to that yeah. Carb carbonara effect carbonara, which is interesting because that's what my favorite dish at Olive Garden is called 19:13 this yeah, that's really hard. I wonder if that was a I'll tell you the effect that's got 19:22 I mean he does kind of do the mentalist thing too, so I guess that makes sense that he was anyways, so he started getting recognized on tv started getting flown out to Europe to do appearances on European TV shows and this eventually gets to the states and in the seventy's Johnny Carson finds out about him and then seventy three he has him come on to the tonight show, but Johnny Carson. I don't know if you knew this because I didn't 19:51 Johnny Carson was like a hobby magician. Yeah, he does the little thing that was his whole bit. What little thing the with the envelope and the hat that was like one of his bits where I don't know what you're talking about where he would like. It was like you know you could tell I think that yes Johnny Carson was a hobby magician, but he also liked the showmanship of magic yeah yeah yeah which had been around for centuries. 20:16 and but one of the bits that they would do on the show is that whole like the punch line would be written in the in the envelope and he would say this the set up and then he would just read whatever was in the envelope. It wasn't a magic trick. was but it was the showmanship of a magic trick, a mad trip interesting interesting. So I figured what they called that but johnny carson was what's the right word, irked by geller because geller repeatedly we'd be asked like oh that's a trick and he like no i'm a psychic. 20:46 Like, I have special powers. Like, he would not. Oh, and Johnny Carson was like, come on. Yeah, he would not be like, I'm a performer. He would be like, I have powers. And Carson's like, no, don't. And so Carson, so they had him come out and his Ernie Geller's team came out and they set up the set. So they had a bunch of spoons that they set out. There was another bit that he did where they had a bunch of like metal canisters that weren't see-through or anything like that. And they were all empty except for one of them was full of some sort of powder. 21:16 without touching them or feeling them or anything like that. He'd be like, yeah, it's that one. And so Carson came out and he saw that and he's like, he's like, yeah, right. And so he's like, he's like, take it all away and replace it with our stuff. And so he had his production team replace everything with their spoons and their canisters and one of them was full and so they just, he's like, I'm going to humiliate this guy on live TV pretty much. And he was like, he's like, yeah, replace it all. And so he comes out for his segment. Johnny Carson's doing a show. 21:45 does his whole thing and then it's like, okay, Ernie Geller, this magician from Tel Aviv is here. You might have heard of him. He's starting to make waves internationally. He's here to show us what he can do. And we've got this stuff. And so he comes out and he immediately sees the table with all of his stuff and he is like perturbed. And so he sits down and he can immediately tell, oh, something's wrong. the first, I think maybe the most obvious thing was 22:14 he would always have all of these goods on like a metal tray yeah and one of the bits and one of what some magicians since have said the way he did the what's in the jar thing as he would reach out and he would spin that that tray and he can kind of tell from what by the weightedness of it where which one was full and so when there wasn't a tray he immediately knew oh someone mess with my stuff and he started looking around at his spoons he's like these are not my spoons and so he realized 22:43 I'm not going to be able to do any of my tricks because it's not my stuff. So he's on the show and he's sitting there and he's like, oh, something's wrong. Yeah. And so what ends up happening is 20 minutes of like the worst television in history because he's just sitting there kind of mumbling to himself, like very clearly upset and then like occasionally going like this over things and like looking at him and Johnny Carson is just being like, what's wrong? Can't can't do it like just 23:13 very clearly being like all a bully yeah, kind of and Johnny Carson, this is a really mean thing to do to your guess that you've flown from Israel. Yeah, yeah, and he's just sitting there smoking a cigarette, which honestly I'm going to be honest. Here's the deal smoking in public pretty cool, pretty cool smoking in general. 23:38 smoking in general very cool. It's unhealthy and yeah dare program, whatever, but honestly dare program forget you guys, your program for nerds, their programs for nerds. have. I do think that cigarettes are cool. Cigar is hard. It's hard. That was the whole thing was that it was. It was it was on tv and it was so normal. You know, I saw this is going to sound really crazy for a second. There's there's things in life where it's like it's hard 24:07 not to look cool while doing sure there's things in life where it's hard to look cool while doing and stick with me for a second smoking. It's hard to look not cool smoking like smoking looks inherently just yeah, but you got to think about why though and it's because the characters that they made smoke in film and tv yeah through they were always cool before before like the late eighties, nineties anti smoking stuff yeah, but even even after all of that right when I was high school we knew 24:37 that like he was cool. That's what we knew we knew so no one to tell us we were like that's a cool guy. We knew smoking was bad, but when I walked out of the venue between sets at shows and all those kids were out front smoking, I was like gosh you guys are so cool yeah, but here's even the kids that didn't weren't cool kids, but seeing people who have smoked for fifty years yeah and you see what they look like look cool when they light up though they still look cool. 25:05 not hard not to look cool, just not in the you have not with the se. You have not walked out the back of a comedy club with the in freaking Minneapolis in the winter and seen people who are so addicted to smoking that they'll stand outside of the freezing cold just like they're freezing for a reason and the reason is Nick. Maybe, maybe I don't know. It's pretty cool so but 25:33 the other things were. It's hard to other thing cool while I was driving. I was driving home the other day, drive past or yeah, driving home the other morning. Yeah, just so you know, I know that there's families who listen. We're not. I don't think you should start smoking, but you shouldn't stop if you know we're not trying to smoke, but I do think if you do, it's pretty cool. 25:59 Alex is trying to figure out how we PR this. I don't I don't think you we're not trying to be. I'm not endorsing smoking. I'm just saying it's not not cool. 26:14 Okay, what's hard to look cool? Why you do it and so I was driving. I was driving all the other morning, pass a school bus stop hard to look cool playing badminton. I passed the school bus stop and there's one kid standing out at the bus stop, probably fifth, sixth grade, just itching his butt like hardcore itching his butt and I'm like man, we're seeing somebody cool. It's their butt. No, I'm just like it's hard. It's hard not to look cool, itching your butt. 26:42 and here's the thing. I think you said it's to look at you. Oh dude, I think about all the cool kids itch in their but you're seeing somebody has reached out and grab a handful and each their but that's so cool. Now you have context for Tim's definitions. 27:04 here's the thing. Here's the text was that just to get another mission. What is that you kind of like? You pull that up in front of your eyes, dude, like like like somebody who's taking their neck health super serious. I got to come up here. Yeah, I got to take care of my health. I got to do this, so my neck doesn't hurt, but 27:26 after this, I'm going to go smoke up. I'll tell you what it's really hard to look cool while checking your apple watch for notifications. That's just so hard to look cool. Why you go? Let me tell you, let me tell you where my goblin brain was at the other day, so I saw that I saw this kid. just and you thought I'm going to turn and hit my car. saw this kid. It just but and my brain didn't just go 27:53 I saw this kid itches butt. So I saw this kid just butt, right? I'm driving home. So I saw this kid, itches butt. That's crazy. And my common brain said, because I was coming home. a cigarette right I was like, the simple, kid was smoking a cigarette. 28:16 that's conflicting. What do you do if you see someone who's a resounding is there, but what did you think? I don't know Goblin brain. I was I went home from the gym and I was I was at the gym. I was listening to like I hope my kids never that lane. No, I was listening to like I don't know what it was like some like in podcast about like I don't know some hustle grind thing probably Anthony. I don't know, but my brain I was like I was like a success winning blah and so I passed this kid and he's itching his butt like 28:44 And that's exactly what I think immediately. I'm just like, oh man, it's hard to look cool while you're itching your butt. And I'm like, and my brain says, yeah, you can put on a leather jacket, you get the sunglasses, the designer jeans, the cool shoes, but you hit your butt, you're not cool. And my brain goes, and it's just like your business. If you got a bad business, you're trying to sell a product that isn't cool. You can dress it up all you want. You can do the marketing campaign. You could try to make it look really good, but it doesn't matter what you do. If you're 29:12 if your product is itching your butt, it doesn't look cool. So anyways, Johnny Garstin sitting there smoking and it's like 20 minutes of this guy getting really upset about the fact that he can't do these tricks and he's like mumbling on his breath and there's been some like lip readers who've been like, oh, he's saying like, why would you do this to me? Like, why would you bring me on here to like embarrass me like this? Like he's like very mad. Would you do? And so then he says, 29:37 So then he says, he's like, I just, don't have positive energy today. Like my energy is really negative. I can't, I'm not sensing this the way like sometimes that happens. Like I just don't have the right energy. And Carson's like, uh huh. Okay. Yeah, sounds good. And so like just pretty much publicly shames him for being a fraud. And that show ends, he never does any of his tricks. They just watched him for 20 minutes essentially. And so he goes back to his room that night, his hotel. 30:06 just outraged, very upset, thinking his career is going to be over because of this. But something happened. He looked at the window. He saw a disc in the sky. A An alien in that disc going, hey, it's okay. 30:30 A lot of people don't know that the reason that aliens are like that is because they photoshopped the cigarette. 30:48 I used to be cigarettes in there. That's what I saw like that. I am a million and I don't this. I smoked a done a bunch of people saw this yeah and for some reason what you would expect is people would see this and they would say oh yeah. This guy's a fraud he's been exposed, but what people saw instead was oh this guy must be legit. 31:18 if it doesn't work all the time. 31:24 and so this blew him up like this is what stuff that makes me feel the is the reinforcements that people will go through in their brains to go see that actually validates it. That actually makes a lot of sense because it since it didn't work like it's it not where for me that's like when the cancer chiefs lost a server was like he's not scripted see not scripted. See how could it be scripted? They want to have them lose if it was scripted. There's too good of a story, so then he goes on a circuit. 31:53 and he does like every morning talk show, every late night talk show in the States and the UK, like he's all over the place and it kind of culminates in a moment to here where you might remember this part of the story where he gets a call from a guy by the name of Harold putt Hoff putt Puth, Puth Hoff. Why am I saying that wrong? That doesn't sound right. Harold putt off, Puth, Puth Hoff, Harold Puth Hoff. That's right. I think and Russell Targ 32:23 which you might remember those names, maybe. you? No. They are researchers at the SRI, which was the Stanford Research Institute. They were tasked by the CIA to try to figure out if mind control was possible. MKUltra. This wasn't MKUltra, but this was another like... Oh, speaking of that, Montauk. Yeah. 32:52 Right? Yeah. Is referenced in Severance. Oh, really? You're gonna freaking love this show when you finally watch it. Yeah. Hashtag ad, but you're gonna love this show when you freaking watch it. Okay. I think this is all I think it all plays in. Interesting. mean, that would make a lot of sense actually, knowing this, the subject matter. No, this was the remote viewing. Oh, he was actually have never relisted that episode because I was just like, this feels like a dark. 33:21 I mean like, you told that story about how you remote viewed once, have you? 33:27 shut up. Have you ever repented at that and ask for forgiveness for doing that so from God? So he goes and I just smoked instead. Okay, so he goes yeah. He gets called by the Stanford Research Institute, yeah and they said hey, we are looking for a psychic to study to see if there's any legitimate thing there yeah sure, and so they had him do a 33:55 pretty common trick he would do on tv shows and stuff was the drawing thing where people would draw a picture right. They put it in an envelope. He would he would draw it another common point like that's crazy that you're just like oh yeah you're looking for a psychic like I know know I'm making this up yeah. 34:15 Yeah, yeah. And so they call him and they do the drawing thing. I'm on your way into psych, like being a psychic. Well, here's the thing. Yeah, you would think that when the CIA is investigating you for your psychic ability, you would probably say, guys, look, circle of confidence here, right? I made a fraud. Don't tell anyone though, please. 34:43 Can we just act like this is really legit? I mean, maybe it's all made up. Maybe honestly, maybe he did like maybe he did say hey, it's it's fake, but just writing it is baby. That's what we do. Maybe that's our thing. Well, honestly, I'm not going to lie. I kind of think I kind of could see a possible world because so many magicians at this point already had come forward to be like. I know exactly how he's doing all this. It's a trick. He's not a psychic like they could explain it all. 35:13 and he would just like double down every time that he's an actual psychic. Yeah, and what he would say is he said he said magicians they can they can imitate through tricks, but it's not the real thing like they're imitating. He's like he's like I'm the real deal. Yeah, he's like we're doing this. He's like yeah, the results the same, but the method is different as what he would say and people be like oh yeah, he must be yeah, that sounds right. He's the jet yeah, yeah, that sounds right and so these guys and how how that's right. 35:41 Harold goes by Hal, that's why that sounded so weird to me. Hal Puthoff, he's like a pretty famous guy in like the UFO sphere today because he did this remote viewing thing and he's always been into the extraterrestrial paranormal world. And so he kind of has that brain worm too. And so he might have... 36:07 been more susceptible to believing this stuff. Okay, when he did his research, but I also can see a possible world where when the SRI got hired by the CIA to investigate this stuff and try to figure out if remote viewing was legitimate, Russia was. I mean this is the middle of the Cold War and Russia, the Soviet Union was saying yeah, we we have psychics and they can do stuff yeah and so it's not a far fetched to me. 36:36 to think that the CIA was like, just put together some reports that say we can do it too. And that seems like that might be what was going on here. Like they took him in when Russia was our adversary. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Yeah, like a long time for like, you know, most of it. Yeah. 37:01 Thanks for checking out this episode. you like it, there is some great news for you. have a mailing list in that mailing list. give updates on past episodes. So things in the news, things that happen for episodes, we've got over 200 episodes we've done and every week things are changing. New updates are coming out and we're keeping you up to date on what's happening in the happenings of tilling topics. So if you want to keep learning stuff even beyond the content of the episodes, that's a great place to do it. 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Here's his house by the way he's he made it doing this grift. 38:11 And I'm going to be honest with you, there was a point in my life where I would see that floor and I'd be like, oh yeah, he's part of the Illuminati. That's why, because that's Illuminati floor. So there's a guy, there's a guy on, honestly, he does the best on Facebook, guess, on YouTube, TikTok, all that stuff. Have you seen him? He used to be an illusionist. He used to like the big corporate events stuff. His name is Justin Flom. Okay. And I don't know if I should give away his secrets, I guess, but he, 38:38 does all this stuff, he loves stencil art, he does stencil art on his walls, or he'll show this secret room in his house, or this trap door that he built into the floor, like all this stuff. Do you know what talking about? Have you seen his videos? No. Like different stuff, it's like literally he pulls a lever and the floor opens and it goes to this ball pit that's downstairs, right? Or like a little hidden bookshelf door that goes into this secret room that has a slide and all this stuff in this house, right? Yeah. The guy owns a house across the street. 39:06 that he and his family live in. That's their house and then he got his this house that he goes over and makes YouTube videos in tears out a whole wall and then does his little YouTube video tears it down. Three puts the wall up interesting and his he just puts like different stuff in this house. They don't actually live in. He doesn't live in, but that's where he's making his content out of interest. That's crazy kind of like being the big blue house yeah or no. 39:30 out of the out of the box. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does have a bear in that house. No, what I'm saying is he made enough money from doing I mean, mean he's CIA approved like, you know, illusion stuff for like Walmart and cost illusions. He was do yeah, he was an illusionist and he was doing it for Walmart. Yeah, he's in the big corporate gigs. Oh, the corporate I was like, I was like what 39:51 what for? Why was he doing magic? He was out front of Walmart was just like Ding Ding Ding Salvation Army and he's like and he said what's that behind your ear your donation? So no, he like made enough money for doing the corporate stuff yeah you know now and now he makes the money's money from doing the social content, but it's just like he built he bought a whole house just for that's crazy stuff. Man, we do the one that was telling me about the 40:17 kids YouTube thing where it's like you can't have the... this new law passed in California where if, have you seen this Alex? This law that passed in California, there's a lot of family vloggers who are moving from California to like Tennessee or Idaho because there was a law that passed that said if your content features children over a certain percentage, then you have to put a certain percentage of your proceeds in a trust fund for them. 40:41 and so some of these parents in California are just like I'm not going to pay my kid and they literally move their whole family rather than honor the life and sanctity of their child and the relationship that they have together because they would rather capitalize on their existence in this hellscape that we live in them into a character. So hey yeah well, kids should get paid right yeah. That's why we had to wait till you grew up to do this podcast. 41:11 that's why we had to wait until Tim grew up to go to video. If you guys want to see the audio, I was a little kid, just a little kid, little kid. That's why in the video is when he finally looked old enough that we were like all right, you at least pass for look like an adult. So anyways, so he started he kept doing yeah he kept doing his magic thing. Sure did a full career of this and he got 41:38 all sorts of hate and claims that he's a fraud. People would try to expose him all the time. I think about getting hate. I think about this all the time too. If you're successful enough, who cares? Yeah, you know, yeah, like the number of people who comment on bird, Christ or stuff, he's got a new special coming on Netflix. Yeah, actually, I think it drops. This is March eighteenth. No, yeah, this one will be okay. So this is March twenty fifth twenty fifth, but so it came out last week. 42:04 but you know Netflix drops the trailer and all the comment ever. I couldn't find one single supporting comment that was like yes can't wait for person special, but it really yeah, but there's so many people, but he's yeah that I'm going to watch it. I think he's a phenomenal stand up yeah yeah yeah he's, but it's one of those things where it's just like who cares yeah yeah like the you saw his house yeah yeah you know where it's just making it oh no he lives that he lives that life like 42:32 I mean he obviously you seen his house, but he lives like he has all the celebrity friends and he in two thousand one he renewed his wedding vows and his best man for his renewals Michael Jackson, which is hilarious to me. When did he renew his wedding vows in two thousand one? I don't know. 42:54 I just say there's he's already said there's certain dates that have a lot of meaning to him. I just want to know when in thousand one he renewed his wedding vows. I do not know I know yeah, and so he kind of lived that life some fun trivia Pokemon made a Pokemon dedicated to him as Kadabra really all of them Abra Kadabra and Alakazam they're all and dedication to him because they got the spoon and it looks like I'm 43:23 Yeah, I can see it. I mean, it looks at this picture looks more like that. So yeah, so I mean, he from this point on, he was like just a career magician. Yeah, had a lot of scandal around him because he'd never backed down from trying to claim that real legit. And so now you can find him a lot on the Gaia network, which do know what that is? The Gaia network? Yeah. Have you not seen anything from the Gaia network? No, gosh. 43:52 Our algorithms are so different. Gaia is one of those things where whenever I see a Gaia video come up, I'm immediately like this is garbage. Don't watch this. Don't pay attention to this and I comment on it. I'm like this is God. That's why it keeps popping up on your stuff is because you keep commenting on it. I just want people to know that is what is Gaia Gaia is like a I mean I think it started as a YouTube channel, but now they have their own website and all their videos on their own website and stuff and they're like 44:23 very fringe conspiracy theories. It's like all alien and astral projection and stuff like that and he's on there all the time talking about this his psych psych is a lot of and and yeah he's still alive. He's like seventy eight he's like eighties seventy eight. Nope. It literally says right here age seventy eight was born in forty six. Let's see if the math is right on that seventy nine depending on when his birthday is. Oh yeah, it's December so yeah he's seventy eight now okay, whatever do 44:55 No, what was the what was the magician? I think he went by the masked magician yeah that did the like exposing yeah you're on time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I it's ironic you brought him up because I watched a video like the bio of Uri Geller and they said that Uri Geller, the only magician hated more than him by Magistrate, which who is the mass position? I don't know if we know. I think we know 45:22 Google it. 45:25 Howie Mandel. 45:31 No, we know who it is over right. Yeah, we do. guess yeah he unmasked yeah Val Valentino yeah, which is crazy and so because he was just he did a whole video series. Was that the early two thousand that he was a TV show he did a full TV show of how magicians do their tricks yeah, which was honestly great idea. Oh, it was a phenomenal show. Yeah, it's called breaking the magicians code yeah and he just revealed how every trick was done. 46:00 which was pretty. I mean honestly, it had me in a stranglehold. I'll tell you what as a kid like does kind of suck what to reveal it all yeah. I mean I'm going to be honest like in retrospect this guy. I mean he the timing was perfect. Oh yeah. I'll be for him. Sure he capitalized on money, but I'm saying like he really did like it does take away the fun of the magic. 46:28 know what I'm saying is the time is perfect because like just the way like like in the height of like slip, not he comes out with this mask, oh yeah, he's telling you all the secrets in the middle of when we're like oh yeah, the government's hiding everything from you and he's like yeah, they are also he was like oh, I see a rise in conspiracy theories. Now is the perfect time to expose the secrets of long held magic traditions. 46:53 now is the time to give the people what they want exactly yeah. You're keeping your track in all right here. Well, anyway, what the magic community would like to say to Val Valentino is that are an evergreen pot 47:17 Hey, thanks for watching this episode of Things I Learned Last Night. If you liked that and you want more of it, guess what? Behind this hand right here is another episode. That is our remote viewing episode. You can go check that out. That's like this thing where people thought that they could kind of astral project. They could see things around the world even from their own home. Just kind of going to this transcendent place within themselves. And they could see the nukes in Russia. And they could go to Antarctica. And they could see different things and maybe even different times. 47:43 It's a really wacky thing. I don't believe in any of that. Tim loves that stuff though. Or if you want to watch next week's episode right now, it's available to our Patreon supporters. can join us there. Tilland.com slash join. You get access to our Discord. You get monthly hangouts with us and you get that episode's ad free with early access. So it's just a way to support the show and help keep us going and we really enjoy that you're here. So we'll see you next week on Things I Learned Last Night.


Have you ever heard of Uri Geller, the famous magician known for bending spoons with his mind? He became famous around the world because he claimed to have real psychic powers. People still wonder today: Was Uri Geller really magic, or just a clever illusionist? Who is Uri Geller? Uri Geller was born in 1946 in Tel Aviv, Israel. He … Read More

How Harold von Braunhut Scammed Kids With His Sea Monkeys | Ep 265

03-18-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey this week we're talking about Harold von Braun Hunt, who is an advertiser in the fifties and sixties who sold sea monkeys. You might have heard of these. They were just basically tiny little shrimp that they that they sold through magazine articles and then kids were like what you mean they can't dance. What do mean they can't play baseball because it was easy to take advantage of children back then? That's how want to say that. That's how I want to intro the episode. Okay, it's Marge teeth. What do you got going on? 00:27 It's what's which day is it March eighteen yeah this weekend? I'll be in Ashland, Kentucky on March twenty second I would love to see you there, and if you're like where's Ashland, Kentucky that's I asked as well, so Google it you'll find it. It's out there and then my this June we're running the church comedy tour back those dates will be available soon check all my dates out on my website jaren Myers comm slash shows 19:04 So this obviously isn't much. mean, even if you look at like some of their more extravagant versions of this, like where they've got, he's got a pirate ship and all this stuff. it's just kind of glorified fish, not even fish. Like they're just tiny little itsy bitsy creatures. But what he did really well was advertising. And so he came up with this brand of Sea Monkeys and sold them as if they were 19:34 You could do tricks and you could teach them stuff and he sold like different sets for it. So he sold a set where it was like the dancing set. And so it was like it was supposed to resemble a stage and you're supposed to be able to teach them how to dance. Right. And then there was the baseball diamond and it looked like a baseball field and they're supposed to be able to play baseball because it's all just like gimmicky things like that. Obviously they're little shrimps. They can't do anything. And but he he was like I'm selling to kids. They don't know that. 20:02 he referenced when he was a kid and he was at the fair and he saw the the the flee thing. Remember these to do that like the yeah. I remember trapeze fleas the trap. Yeah, please we remember that you remember that from our childhood. Yeah, you don't remember trap fleas 20:23 I said yeah keep going. What are you wanting from me right now? Okay, I don't know. Do you understand the Alex? You see I'm crazy like do I feel I feel insane today where Tim's just like he's telling different sets and stuff and you remember trap trappies fleas trappies please remember trappies you remember that 20:52 you're that yeah, but I know what you're talking about. Okay, all right. Where is this episode going bro? So his whole thing was he's essentially selling fish food is what it is. It's a Brian shepherd. It's fish food yeah and he said okay. If I if I give them tell them put tap water in one of these little jars, you pour that you dump the solution in that's supposed to make the water clean and then you dump the eggs in. Here's the deal. It was a lie. 21:20 What you were doing is you were dumping the eggs in first and then the next day you were just putting salt in because he was like, well, it's going to take like 24 hours from where I'll start hatching. so he was like, you're going to purify the water, but it was you're putting the eggs in and letting them sit overnight so they can hatch and then you're going to put some salt in. And so he sold these for a dollar 25. And he called a bunch of comic book manufacturers, 21:50 printers, sure, publishers, thank you, and he started putting those, putting these ads in comic books. Yeah, and this was something that no one was doing. No one was putting ads in comic books because it was kind of like, I don't want to say like taboo, but everyone's like, why would you advertise to children? What's the point of that? And so he's like, he's like, oh, I'm selling to kids. I should advertise to kids. And so it was a buck twenty five. And what you would do is you would cut out this little thing, put it in an envelope, 22:19 with your buck 25. because people back then didn't understand the power of like how you could get a kid to annoy their parent into buying your product. Yeah, no one knew how easy it was to get kids to get their parents to do stuff. Yeah. They hadn't figured that out yet. As a former kids pastor, it's easy. That was the number one thing we did was teach kids to annoy their parents. Yeah. We actually would. Here's some inside baseball. 22:49 we would for like big events where we wanted like increase attendance to have people at. We would plan special things for the kids to get the kids really excited about it because we knew if the kids convinced their parents, the parents would get like drug along and so we would like like tricking the parents through their kids. It's the same thing these guys are doing. You tricking the parents. You were just telling the kids like guys were gonna have 23:15 pizza next week and then the kids are like we got to go because we're going to have pizza next week instead of presenting them the gospel of Jesus Christ yeah, because the kids don't care about the gospel. They want pizza. The kids don't care about the gospel that's going on a t shirt. The kids don't care about the gospel. The kids will never care about the gospel until it tastes like pizza. So he started advertising in these books, 23:45 And it was a he at the height of his operation. Yeah, he was printing ads and three point two million comic books a year. And so it became a thing where everybody knew about the sea monkeys. Not everybody got them, but at least everyone knew about him because it was inescapable. was in every comic book you would ever get. And so through that, throughout like into the eighties, was just sea monkeys are everywhere. And so he became a millionaire. How many 24:13 asmr creators. Do you follow? don't follow a single one that you got numerous ads for this I'm okay. First of all, I don't follow when you're saying this. I was like yeah, but I wonder how many people have seen ads about this. I'm asked and then go. I've never seen ads because I don't watch asmr speaking of ads. We'll come back to this, but speaking you're trying to get away from the fact to away, watch asmr videos. First of all, I don't watch. listen to obviously 24:42 and I because it helps me focus, so I listen to him while I work and here's the here's the thing I am ashamed of it, so I always believe my history every time I watch him because I don't want it to be in my algorithm. I don't pay for you to premium. I don't pay for you to premium. That's crazy that you're watching ASMR videos and listening to ads. It's just get the new Domino's five nine nine breadsticks suck a lot. That does it does suck a lot. Here's the deal. A lot of them 25:13 The kids don't care about the a lot of them won't run mid rolls. They only run pre rolls because of that very reason, but some of them do run mid rolls and when they do, oh my gosh, it's the worst because so loud. Yeah, it's you like a freaking sure, but yeah, it's it honestly, it really helps with focus. You watch on the tilling account because sometimes I've seen those pop up. 25:34 No, I've never yeah you actually are still logged into the and you watch a little as that would be me because I delete the history because I don't want to messing up my algorithm and I'm ashamed. If they're just so weird, I don't know why they have to be so weird like why can't you just make the sounds and shut up like 26:03 anyways about average, I just make the sounds and shut up. 26:11 Uh, so... 26:15 So Tim, just to be clear yeah, your covenant eyes report each week is just just yeah. Is there a specific creator? Do you know what do you search when you're looking at our videos? What do you search? I literally just search ASMR and then I just scroll through until there's one that's like oh that's probably fine and then I want you to know and I think this is important and I think less of you now. 26:43 I think it's important for you to know that I do think less of you right now. Hey, that's fine. Honestly, I'm proud of who I am embarrassed. I am and I'm telling you, you should be it. It's just it helps me focus. It helps me focus there and makes the top of my head feel nice who watches this podcast and then removes it from their watch. They go, I can't have this in my algorithm know that I watch this. It's less about people knowing it's more about. I don't want to 27:12 I'm cluttering my algorithm yeah, because it's a yeah. I don't want those recommendations. I just want while I'm working for it to be in the background yeah, but it's. I think if you watch it, even if you're moving from your watch history, it still affects your not doesn't. If it's not in your watch history, it doesn't affect your algorithm. I only is true because if that was true, then I would be getting recommendations for it. Okay, because I like at least once a day I have it on the background while I'm working. It's just in the is in the background. Wow, 27:40 it's like music is the same thing as music. Don't be so weird about this. I was smoking crack. Okay, would you have such a problem about it with it? No, I'd actually prefer that there's there's treatment system and communities for support. They haven't made ASMR illegal yet, so I can't. I can't throw the book at you right now. Okay, whatever. When I was in New York, 28:09 speaking about advertisements sure when I was in New York. 39:42 So that that's a crazy thing to advertise those like you can see your bones. We're looking at me you pig. I'm looking at your bones. 39:57 that's that is nuts. That is nuts. How do you sell that though? It obviously doesn't work. Oh yeah, that's the thing is none of the things he sold really did anything. They were all just gimmicks. It was all just gimmicks that obviously didn't work. He also had like hip glasses looking at your bone. All right, all right, stop saying that keep doing it, sir. Who cares? I don't get what you're doing. Just don't talk to me more and then and then in a weird and a weird like 40:26 shift from character. He's like I'm going to make I'm going to make something for adults and so he makes this, which is called the Cuyoga, which is a baton and at the tip of the baton there's a taser and so you hit people and it'll like them essentially yeah, but it's a baton so it's like telescopic and so you can this is since been outlawed. He also he also he got arrested in Ligurian says you don't need a gun. 40:55 What year is this? I don't know judging by this ad. I would say like early seventies. I'd say early sixties. It could be could be and it's marketed towards. don't know if you can read this from here, but it's marketed towards people who can't get a gun like if you legally can't acquire a gun. He said, why don't you get this electric tan? So for some reason you're not allowed to buy firearms anymore. I'll sell you get without a license yeah. 41:23 Yeah, but that's just a gun now and so yeah he got he got arrested in LaGuardia for trying or do you a guardia for trying to take it on a flight, LaGuardia, LaGuardia, LaGuardia. Yeah, why do they make that so hard to say? So you got arrested for trying to take that on the flight in the nineties and so they arrested him. They I don't know what they processed him and they ended up releasing him because they're like well, we don't know technically speaking like our 41:52 technically banned yeah. They were like this. We don't have a category for this. It's technically not illegal, but like we don't want you to bring this so you can't, but there's not a law, so we can't like charge you with anything. That's how I feel about it's not illegal for you to watch as tomorrow. I don't want you to, but I can't legally yet. Yeah, I would kick you off a flight if you did it, but like I can throw you in jail for it, so that's exactly what happened to him. He got kicked off his fight and then in the nineties in ninety two 42:22 This is my favorite part of the story and I do to I feel like we're going to take an alien turn right here. Aren't we? Oh, I wish no in ninety two. He was approached by I don't know some TV producer and they produced the show the amazing live sea monkeys and the concept of the show was a mad scientist had a grow ray 42:49 and accidentally grew sea monkeys to life size and they like escaped from their little pen because obviously they were too big. And then it was the life of these sea monkeys as human size sea monkeys. My favorite part about this is see if you can guess who the professor is at the top of this picture. These are the sea monkeys. So obviously I think you can guess which ones are the monkeys. This is 1992. I think you can guess who the sea monkeys are. They're the ones that look like crazy things. 43:17 but then the guy in the middle, the per you know him like you don't know him personally, yeah, but you know who he is right. Hold on 43:30 Eddie Murphy. 43:36 Is it Alec Baldwin? No, no wait. You're going to say it. I'm going to go yeah, honestly looking at this picture. I cannot see it like it doesn't like him. It's how he Mandel 43:51 and so he played this professor. can't see that or I can't see that one bit, but he plays this professor who turned these sea monkeys into life size. Okay, this show ran for eleven episodes and got cancelled. Apparently it wasn't very good and it's really obviously it's also apparently really hard to find any evidence that had ever existed like there's images. That's how he's doing 44:15 yeah. He got that got that e t money and he was a we get rid of that to get rid of that yeah, but it's like not online. It's like lost. It's considered lost media, so if you can find it and you can see it, I want to see it send a VHS well, it's because people had the VHS and they poured water on it because I thought that was like student monkeys out it. They were like I were dumb yeah and so it's probably no surprise to you judging by the x-ray specs that he ended up marrying an adult film star and then 44:42 after he passed away, he left his home to her and so she had to drive home every day to this gate. Okay, where is this? I don't know where they ended up settling at this stage of their life. I do know that they lived in Manhattan for a very long time. This clearly is not man. Yeah, so I wife would love this gate by the way. If we had that, yeah, she'd like oh my gosh, it this place so much character. 45:11 you know, where is this like not a normal anyway, but she she ended up selling like the a license to another toy company to continue selling sea monkeys after his death. Sure and smart business woman and wasn't clear on the terms of the agreement, bad business woman and long story short, ended up coming back to bite her and towards the end of the two thousands. She ended up in a situation where the house that they lived in was as 45:39 big massive house. She couldn't afford to pay for the heat in the home, and so she had like wad herself into like two of the bedrooms because I guess they were the warmest rooms or something and she like lived in her for court. She wore these fur coats around the house and like basically lived in like kind of poverty like she saw the giant house, but she couldn't heat it and she can really afford her life anymore. Yeah, and I don't know exactly what that means. 46:06 I don't know if that means like she couldn't afford to eat or she just couldn't afford the lifestyle she used to have. It's not totally clear, but she didn't have a great end of her life because of that sure that licensing deal. So one last small thing we probably need to 46:27 this episode really was going nowhere then, huh? No, I just about the sea monkeys. Okay, all right, Harold, here all winners. Where's the other episode? I said that there's another episode. I've said that before where I go. This was kind of weird. Huh Tim just sat over here and was like I got a gift and I like ASMR. It was about the sea monkeys. Oh okay, 46:54 I thought we were building up to like something and you were like, ah, his wife died alone. 47:02 this seem like it's interesting yeah yeah. Okay, so anyways the New York Times wrote about him. Hold on or no, the Washington Post wrote about him quote. He was born as Harold Nathan Bronhut, a Jew. That's the that's what they wrote because he in the fifties added Vaughn to his name because he was ashamed of his heritage. 47:30 and so he was shared. Yeah, so he wanted to try to be. wanted to sound more German and he took his problematic. He took his earnings from all of the sea monkey fame. He took those millions and he poured them into white supremacy groups. Oh and the whole episodes about the guy who invented the sea monkeys was kind of a grifter. 48:00 yeah at the very end, you're just like by the way, a piece of crap, the surprise he actually he was a surprise. He actually not see the whole surprise. The guy who made this actually suck yeah yeah, so yeah he was and it. I think it just goes to show yeah, that the rich they always end up sucking 48:28 Yeah, it's the alt right. It's the alt the alt right pipeline. guess I was going to try to come up with some sea monkey name for it, but no no yeah. He did end up somehow becoming a white supremacist and funding a monkey thing, which is very strange and his parents. His parents were like yeah. We he got disowned by his family for that obviously because in the fifties he was like actually I sigh with the guys who did this to us and they're like yeah okay, they're like yeah, that's weird. 48:58 actually yeah and then the rest of his life he's like my parents won't talk to me you idiot yeah. They shouldn't they shouldn't yeah to you. Oh our son yeah he takes advantage of children. He sells them hopes and dreams and he just capitalizes on that yeah and then he married his wife and electric baton actually, which is kind of cool. It doesn't say the date on here. It just says her name 49:27 so yeah, I don't know when they got when they got married, but yeah, so you know, I mean some some rough ideas, lot of griffs, a lot of griffs in his day, but that's Martin Van Bure hut. That's not Martin Harold, Harold Van Bure. I'm thinking of Van Van Bron hut hair, her old Harold Von Braun hunt, Harold Von Braun hut sucky guy 50:00 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. you liked it, might like Edward Bernays. He was another advertising guy, really kind of the... 50:06 founder of PR and advertising and grifting you and tricking your brain into thinking things. It is rough. It's great, but you might like them. So check that episode out and if you like this episode, you might like our next episode and you could watch that right now, but become on our supporter on Patreon. You can do that at we sell dead people dot com. Our supporters help the show happen. They also get a lot of great perks they can have. They get access to our discord. They get access to episodes a week early without ads and a lot of other great stuff. We appreciate our supporters. make the show. 50:34 This is an Evergreen podcast. 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Have you ever heard about the sea monkeys? You might think they’re magical pets, but they’re tiny shrimp! Harold Von Braunhut was the man behind this clever idea. He sold sea monkeys to children in comic books, making kids think these creatures could dance or play baseball. What Are Sea Monkeys? Sea monkeys are really just brine shrimp—very tiny and … Read More

Saudi Arabia’s $1 TRILLION City | Neom Ep 264

03-11-25

Episode Transcription


The world is changing, and so are cities. A new project in Saudi Arabia, Neom, is leading the way. This city of the future promises advanced technology, sustainable living, and a fresh way to think about urban life. At the heart of Neom is The Line, a revolutionary city design that challenges everything we know about building communities. What is … Read More

This Elvis Impersonator Was Framed for Poisoning Obama | Paul Kevin Curtis Ep 263

03-04-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 in twenty thirteen, someone tried to poison President Barack Obama. This story is about a doctor who's selling body parts, a karate sensei who's running for local government and an Elvis impersonator who's going to crack the code. This is things I learned last night. It's a comedy podcast. You're going to learn about the story, but you're going to laugh a lot along the way. It's going to be a lot of fun and this episode why did you weird laugh dude? It's like a fag and yeah, this feels like a morning news show. It is a morning. That's right Tim. 00:29 this episode comes out. I don't have a lot of shows coming up, but oh, I also did realize in previous episodes that I said that I was going to be in Egan Illinois. That's because I've been watching Severance Egan's from Severance. It was South Elgin Illinois is where I was going to be and I just feel kind of dumb about it and I feel like I got to say it out loud. You know I got to come clean and be like hey, I'm sorry, but you can find all the shows by this point. There's some dates that are coming up in June that I don't know if they're announced by this point or not, so 00:57 if they are there on my website, which is we sell dead people yeah, and you can, and if right now you're like man, I want next week's episode. You can also go to we sell dead people dot com and join us on our membership platform where you can get next week's episode right now. So 01:19 I think we nailed this intro. I think we nailed it. Let's get to the episode. 01:26 Okay, man, they man, have you ever heard of a Paul Kevin Curtis, Paul Kevin Curtis, yeah, three different guys, one body. 01:43 Is this one of those people with three heads like Paul Kevin Curtis, be Paul Kevin? No, I do know this story and I'm very excited about this Paul Kevin Curtis. What I feel like there's like nine stories we have to tell here. Yeah, so let's start with the easy one. Paul Kevin Curtis lives in a town called Tupelo, Tupelo, Tupelo, Tupelo, Tupelo. I watched a video about this story. 02:12 Oh, I thought you were like I watched a whole video on how to pronounce to put no. I watched a video about this story and I'm not exaggerating and I know I'm going to say this and most of our like regular listeners are going to be like I know, but the guy this video pronounced literally 02:29 every single name wrong. Every person's name, every place, yeah, I'm not exaggerating every single one he put ice. How do you say any of these names wrong to the point where I was like this is a bit he's doing this on purpose. He is he's what he said stuff wrong. He called it to P. Low. He called it to P. Low. There's a I don't want to reveal all the characters. I mean I guess I could tell I don't worry about every character. He said the name wrong every place. He said the name wrong. 02:56 even some of the things that are in this like some of the items that take place in this story. He said wrongs yeah, I'm like I'm like how how are you with its intentional at that point? There's probably thirty things he said wrong episode and look. I know I say things wrong. I get it. I understand. I understand. I say things wrong, but I don't say every single. I really we got a lot to get to okay. You done with me talking about yeah, I'm sorry to you 03:24 acknowledging that you say stuff like I don't want you to be mad at other people for that. You're not mad at other people for that. I'm just saying it was we 03:33 just say that you went to New York really weird. Yeah, but New Yorker now that's why I talk so we New Yorker now I spent three days there. I know all about life in New York. If you go to New York and you do the bit where like a walk in here, someone like literally just jumps out of the gutters and they hate that. I didn't see that happen to three tourists. So I was there yeah. They come out. They literally come out of the sewers. I didn't see a single I didn't see a die the whole time I was there except for 04:02 when the cops are beating the crap. Yeah, and it was like one of those one of those Tom and Jerry Cartoon, where they're like really yeah, that I think hard to with the really wide ones. Oh yeah, really weird cartoon bats and they're like yeah yeah yeah it's like why are you nice thing so big? That seems hard to carry and transfer that you put that would you get 04:26 you know every time it hits it as one of the comic books, pow like how does this happen? Everything really is bigger in New York, Big Apple, baby, Big Apple, you're a big city guy though. I feel like I feel like you try to pretend that you're like a that you're not. I don't feel you are and I'm not. I like and it's very odd because I've never lived like in a city center like I've lived in 04:51 I've lived in cities, but I've been a guy yeah, but yeah, I just like my heart longs for the nice speaking of cities. Let's talk about Tupelo. Okay, yeah, so not big cities to below. If you don't know as a famous city because Elvis Presley was born there and they ham that up. They are very proud. They are. I wonder how long I've said this before. I think I said this in the podcast. Yeah, how 05:18 like will there be like Harry Styles impersonators when we're old yeah? I'm curious to see what that person is because like that phase is like. I feel like the Elvis impersonator genre is enduring because of the whole Vegas thing and it being like a cultural yeah element now. Does that make sense? Like it's an like it's it is it's kind of like it's it's an American thing. 05:40 it's like bald eagles and bacon like an el. Okay, but that's what I'm saying. It's like in Branson, there's a Beatles tribute band yeah who's going to that, but people who were alive when the Beatles were the Beatles, right? How when do you decide to shut that show down when people stop showing up? Yeah, but Elvis impersonators. Is it still going? I mean, I think we're getting to the end. That's what I want to close to the end. Yeah, I think yeah. I mean, I think it's 06:10 it's interesting with that though, because you think back to that time okay, and at that time there was just less of like like there wasn't as many giant stars like that, the because it was so institutionalized. Maybe you had just the people who were the industry decided was the big star. What's the demand for an impersonator like our people? 06:37 Because I know there's Michael Jackson impersonators No, I think it's... There's got to be some kind of psychology and stuff behind, Well, it's very odd. there are impersonators, 07:06 these elderly women, like 10 years retired elderly women going to these concerts for the Elvis impersonators, not the real Elvis, but the Elvis impersonators. And they are like throwing themselves at this impersonator. They love the impersonator. Yeah, like it's actually Elvis. Yeah. And it's like, oh, you know that's a fake, right? And also- But that's what I'm saying, they know that though. I know you're like 84. That's what I'm saying. They like the impersonator. 07:36 as like they don't they're not confused. They're not like that's Elvis. You know I'm saying like that's that's what I'm saying. Some like I would never strange to me yeah. That's what I'm saying is like it's they're not yeah there's not a disconnect right. They recognize that's not the real guy, but that's what here's the thing. What I realized watching it is I want to do something so significant that sixty years after I'm gone, there are impersonal early people are as excited about a person who's pretending to me me 08:04 as they would have been. If it was actually me like what a stranglehold you have to have on a society for you to die and people to pretend to be you and people to be just as excited about the fakes as they were about you. That's that's a stranglehold that's power baby, power baby. Okay, that's insane to me. 08:29 and it's what I'm saying. So like but the whole town like there's murals or statues of Elvis, there's like two below Mississippi is an Elvis shrine essentially yeah and there's dozens and dozens and dozens of impersonators who do the shows and people show up to the shows at the VA or whatever that's what they don't do shows freaking anywhere. They're doing them in the middle school auditorium and there's enough there. It's like I can make money. Yeah, they're making doing living doing it yeah 08:57 which is wild. It's why I'm saying I am saying how much longer will and this is a long tangent on Elvis impersonators, but how much longer will an Elvis impersonator because I think this is now a thing getting married at a chapel in Vegas by an Elvis impersonator is its own thing. Yeah, I think there's plenty of people who do that that's almost completely separate from Elvis Presley a hundred percent yes, and that's I'm saying 09:23 is that so many of the things that you and I associate with Elvis are not even things that he did. They're just hammed up acts that impersonators did yes yeah that eventually I feel like you know the all right, all right for Matthew, I hey is so far separated from who he what he actually does now we're just we're impersonating the impersonations is what I'm saying exactly yeah. 09:49 but how much longer do you think you'll be able to get married in Vegas by an Elvis impersonator? I don't think that'll ever go away. That's where I wonder. I think that has become like, but that's the thing a culture yeah and I think most of the people who do that have they couldn't name an Elvis song. Yeah, yeah, I think most of the people who see Elvis and take pictures with him on the strip. They couldn't name a song, but they like feel compelled to do it because it's so have you seen the video of this of this trip with the Michael Jackson impersonator watching a Michael Jackson impersonator? Have you seen that 10:17 no and the Michael Jackson person who looks just like him. Honestly, he's got I don't know if he got plastic surgery or if he just you know if he just looks like that yeah, he just looks like that is watching the impersonator and looking proud as if he's the real minor. You know saying like it's a video you have to watch it because he's looking at he's like 10:37 like he's like he's like wow. This is flattering to me another fake. That's what I'm saying. It's so what like there's there's two levels of broken people in this scenario. There's the people who go and watch impersonator and then there's a level of broken that you have to be to be to be that person. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, but I can I can understand being the impersonator a little more because because honestly at the end of the day, I should say this 11:05 I shouldn't make the generalization. I see I'd say probably half of them are like. Oh, I love Elvis and I'm doing this out of passion, but half of them. It's obviously a grip like yeah yeah yeah and so like I think half of them are like I can get old ladies to love me just for the old women. What's up Grandma's? Oh dude, I kill a jello night. I'll tell you what 11:30 Dude, these old women love jello shots, dude. They friggin'- They LOVE jello shots, man. It's crazy. It gets- 11:38 crazy down at the Haywood, the Haywood Senior Center, you know, talking about yeah and we go down there on Tuesday nights and I do bingo as Elvis, but instead of BINGO, it's ELV, I S E twenty two, you know, Sam yeah and so and someone was Elvis and then I kiss him on the mouth. Show starts at three PM. That's incredible yeah. I got your home by seven yeah 12:08 It's a great gig. It's over now. Yeah, it's a good gig. I mean yeah, I just I find it hard to believe that that'll ever happen again because I just don't think that there's any stars that have like because there's a fake Taylor Swift that well yeah, I think we're spending a lot of time on this, but yeah, I think the nineteenth century was an interesting time because nineteenth century media hundreds. Sorry, the twentieth century. Sorry, the twentieth century was an interesting time because the media was so centralized. Yeah, 12:37 that I think the stars were much bigger stars and fair now it's more de centralized yeah like you have like a rogan there's a you and I aren't fans of Joe Rogan yeah yeah yeah where I think and obviously I wasn't alive, but I would I would say during Elvis's era like he was inescapable yeah and that's what you really want to be. I want to be in a that's power baby. 13:07 that's crazy. You're dead for sixty years and people so to below Mississippi. People love Elvis down there. Yeah, they love them. They love them a lot. Speaking of Elvis impersonators, yeah, there was a guy by the name of Paul Kevin Curtis. He goes by Casey for Kevin Curtis, yeah, because Casey is better than PC. I think I had a guess. I think that's why he does it, but yeah, so he was an Elvis impersonator, yeah grew up being an Elvis impersonator. 13:37 kind of interesting story. He has a brother. This is a toll sidebar, but he has a brother who was the all star kid like he was like the captain, the football team, like he really talented. Everybody looked up to him like and he was he Paul Kevin Curtis grew up in his shadow. I totally grew up in his shadow, but then he became an Elvis impersonator one day. One day he was getting ready for school, brushing his hair and he's like anywhere he went and then he was like 14:08 I said, uh-huh. 14:15 oho and so he started at like in middle school doing the thing and he started getting a ton of attention for it for the first time in his life. No he didn't that his older brother, no, no, no, no, Casey Casey started when he started doing it yeah, yeah, and then his brother saw that and his brother was like I can do that too. I could do that too, which socks man, so me came in all this in person yeah and his brother in him 14:41 so that be like if you become a counselor right now right, I could do that to actually I can actually I it's so easy. I don't know what is of that yeah. I could do that yeah. I just like anyway. 14:58 is you realize that you're good empathy. You go run to the other room. I get a dad, your dad, so tell me about your dad. Tell me about your dad. 15:15 I got that Freud in me. Ha ha ha ha ha. 15:23 I like my mom. 15:27 Hahaha 15:35 I got that right. It's crazy. 15:44 I got that fruit in me! 15:50 I got that Pavlov dog in me, dude. Ha! 15:57 it sucks. Wow, I don't know what time is it. We should wrap it up. Okay, come back for a okay. I guess so yeah. So his older brother, his older brother is like oh me too. I can do that like Casey is winning competitions when he's in high school, which so he's like good at it. That's what I'm saying. It's so it's only cool if you're in Tupelo, Mississippi. You know say like if you're if you're competing as Elvis is a high schooler, you're getting bullied for sure, but in Tupelo 16:26 and Tupelo, your star, you're like getting less bullied. Yeah, yeah, you're getting, you're getting bullied by all your peers, but you're getting praised by all right, right, right, all your peers, grandparents, by all your peers, moms, and that was really the own dude. That was like that was like dude. A bully would be like, oh, you're an Elvis impersonator. That's so lame. Yeah, yeah, your mom didn't think so. Your mom loves it you do weird. Okay, creeping on my mom, 16:54 So yeah, so his brother starts doing it. His brother says getting attention for two and then they decided to team up and do something Elvis never did, which was have a second. What's better than one hell to Elvai? Let's do it baby and this blew people's minds. They were oh my gosh, whoa, there's two Elvis to El. I don't remember this ever happening because it didn't and so they started like actually like touring, which was crazy. I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know if they toward you know like they toward they toward tour. What do they tour? 17:22 they traveled the country. They went to places like Branson. They went to places like Vegas and they would do these shows and competitions. I think they win. Okay, they did national tours and competitions all over the place together and so they were like this duo. They are like a power do. I mean I say that I go yeah. I can't believe people toward the people will tour with anything yeah, you know yeah and the question is like what is they 17:45 I mean yeah, we know that we know they said tour they're touring blippy on ice right now. You know, like anything can be a tour. I'm saying like freaking yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I don't know how many people were coming to these shows yeah, but they win around the country doing their shows. Yeah, we did it. We had a tour. We were on really good. It was a great tour. A lot of people came out. A lot of people showed up for that. Yeah, people paid for it. Okay, maybe that parts alive, but like people win 18:14 people came. Some people showed up. Some people didn't know they were showing up for it. Some people thought they were just getting coffee that night, but I go. Oh, there's a weird comedy show out there. That overweight fella singing songs about we should go bell. Yeah, I was trying to have a nice romantic date night and this guy's ruining it. I'm on a first date right now. I do think about how we were and I think about this tour a lot. We were in 18:44 college of angel in two thousand and fourteen. I don't know our young listeners will never understand this anymore. We didn't all consume the happenings of the world at all times everywhere we went yeah. That's kind of crazy. It's never really not that long ago. Do you were you in like two thousand fourteen? Were you up on the happenings? That's what I'm saying to trick. We didn't know we didn't care. We we care, but not like we got stopped on the street interview. Do you remember that in Chicago 19:13 Oh gosh, we did on the street interview. This is questions and we literally were just like I had no idea yeah and like I worry sometimes that we're in like a freaking Kimmel compilation looking so stupid being like. I don't know. I don't know what he's talking about. I don't remember what they asked. I don't know what they asked. I remember it being about the issues of that time, but it would be like if someone stopped on the street now and asked you where you were like Israel, Palestine and you're like oh yeah. I mean I lot of complex issues that I said I for some reason know so much about yeah 19:41 We didn't freaking live like that in 2014 yeah interesting. We were doing freaking the Harlem Shake, dude. Why does he say it like that? 19:55 no, no, that's making a comeback. I here yeah. I like that one anyway. That's what we're going to tour sixty years from now is the harlem shake tribute pay holy to an hour of the is we know we go up and we do the harlem shake and then we go and then at the end of it's a surprise. It's like a little encore yeah. It's like it ends and we're all like that was super fun and then someone goes. What does the fox say you know and we do all the hits yeah 20:23 Oopa Gundam style and like and we sit here and we're like wow music. This day sucks. It's like free in a bad. Come on, but to be fair, we all knew that sucked. Yeah, well, and we were like the thrift shop song or whatever, like I'm imagine tags. We were all well aware of how much we were. That was the joke. We were. We were in on it. Yeah, that we like yeah. We thought it was funny. We were in on her joking around about a kidding. 20:50 we that was just a anyway. I'm saying we got stopped on that tour, so they were touring doing double trouble. Yes, yes, doing their doing their duo Elvis thing. Yeah, but anyways, all this is kind of backstory of just how damaged this kid is. Well, I mean yeah, they're they're not making a living doing it. That was what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so he starts a business. He well, he gets married, he grows up, gets married, starts a business because his wife is like you got to get a real job. 21:19 Yeah, you got to and sees a case like I do have a real job. I'm tell your wife says about the podcast where your wife is like a wrap this up to do something real. They transporters, you know, she's just not enough. 21:31 Yeah, support us on page. You're listening to my wife. Stop. I come out when this episode come out. I don't know. I got to look at the data on the pulled up arch eleven March, eleven good guess. Let's see. It is going to be who very close March, fourth, okay, Tim's babies getting closer yeah, and if you don't support on Patreon, they have to give it away. 22:01 so Tim's wife said that if we don't have two hundred supporters by May, Tim's wife told us that if we don't have two hundred supporters by the end of this month, serious this is serious to get rid of that kid and just like it's going to become the neighbors kid. It's the hospitals, baby and and no they're going to give her the neighbors and then she's going to have to watch it grow up next door. 22:23 every day and show us be sitting there in the morning and try that could have been ours, but like, but if you know the till and fans didn't care enough, you know, they care enough so I'll tell you what those neighbors. They are a loving caring family who are going to do a better job. It sucks man. It sucks to watch this kid grow up. He's going to be able to compete in whatever Elvis comment. Yeah he wants to he's going to be such a good Elvis. 22:49 without us. Can you imagine the other seed be with us? So support us so that Tim's kid can grow up in Tim's home yeah and be a mediocre and I don't. I feel comfortable making these jokes again. Breed never listens to this Tim's parents do. They don't like that joke. They're like we didn't like that bit at all and you know what? Maybe you should support us on 23:15 Terry maybe you should maybe you should sign up then 23:22 okay, so you see how it doesn't like when I talk to his mom. Talking to my Terry, don't listen to him. Okay, so we're supported if we had the pillow pet money. 23:43 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 23:55 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 24:28 so we so he gets he gets a real job and by gets a job. He starts a cleaning business sure and honestly good business. Yeah, that's a quality business to be in every management. Everybody needs everybody needs stuff to be gives a speech to his team. He's he's managing facilities. He's got to get this place clean, okay, and so he starts cleaning up and while he's clean it up, he gets a good offer. 24:53 to be the cleaner upper at the local hospital. Yeah, he's the big cleaner guy at the hospital, which actually is a pretty big contract, a huge deal, big, big hospital, huge deal, honestly, arguably potentially life changing opportunity right, and so he gets it starts cleaning. He's cleaning there for a while and he does something that's like which that's kind of crazy to me that they third party contract that you know 25:17 I guess he just wax some floors and stuff. You know yeah. I mean there's probably like yeah, it's probably there's a different crew that office cleans utensils and beds and stuff. You know, but yeah, I guess the hallways and stuff. That's a big it's a big contract. If they can get a better deal, yeah outsourcing it yeah and yeah. This is a fairly large hospital in the area, so he's cleaning and he does what we probably in the business would call a career limiting move and so one day he is you know cleaning and he says 25:45 I'm going to explore around some areas. I've seen every ask him to clean a certain area. They ask him to clean something. It was like a party. They asked him to clean, but he he did a little like he. I don't think that's what it was. I thought he was supposed to clean this. Okay, go ahead and tell what happened and then I'll give my argument for why I think it was viable that he was in this area. Yeah, so they're at a party. He was asked to clean a specific area of the hospital and while he's cleaning, he stumbles into the morgue and he started digging around the morgue and he finds 26:14 surprise surprise human body parts right and that's where they keep them at a hospital in the morgue and and so he gets really excited about the fact that he found right a human head. He found a human head, a human head arms. Yeah, human head was the big thing. The human head was the exciting yeah to him and he couldn't shut up about it. Well, okay, so here's what I think happened yeah right is he did 26:42 get asked to clean this area of the room and this is a pretty. This is a restricted area, obviously because there's body parts in the fridge. Yes, yes, yes, which is not crazy. You're sitting here listening. You're like, why does the hospital have a head? If someone is needs those eyes that are donated, they're not just in a jar. That's in a cartoon. Yeah, right. Also, if somebody dies, you kind of put it all on the fridge. You got a 27:07 I that's not true to them. They don't chop you up. If you die, well, I mean if you don't fit the fridge, it's not a size is you Tim. They have odd job fridges at the hospital. They open up the cabinet like all man. That's what do that. That's where where's dirty. Yeah, they open it up. They said all the big jars dirty. Here's right. I got to cut him into so here's what happens. He starts 27:37 taking people to that room and showing them the head yeah, because he's he's height of he's like he's like I found a head right. I found a head and then he's like telling everybody in the hospital. He's a hey man. I saw the craziest thing you want to see this head, so he takes them to that area. People see it and they're scarred for life. They throw up and they're like. I wish you didn't show me well. You don't know. Here's what I think happen. I think he was he was rightfully supposed to clean this area of the hospital. Yes, yeah, he saw the body parts right. 28:07 what he wasn't supposed to do is then bring everyone in the hospital into that room. Well, the body parts, I think he was supposed to clean that area. I don't think he was supposed to open the fridge. Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. I think I think he did something he wasn't supposed to do there and then I think he definitely does something. It wasn't supposed to talk about it. No one would have known he wouldn't have gotten in trouble for peeking in the fridge and the well, there's a head in there. Yeah, yeah, you know what yeah, no, but he would get in trouble for being like hey, you guys want to like making a field trip out of it for everyone on the second floor. You know saying 28:37 and that's that's where I think yeah, he was all the way he gets when he gets rightfully terminated yeah he's like oh you're you're terminating me because you're trying to cover this up. That's what the conspiracy brain does is the conspiracy brain is they're firing me because I saw ahead. 28:51 and you're like hey you moron they're firing you because you came to work and every single person you saw the first thing you said wasn't hey happy Tuesday or hey happy birthday. I see you're wearing that birthday sashes your birthday right or hey I'm really sorry for your loss. I can see you're a family who's crying right now and holding a bouquet of flowers for a family member who clearly just passed. It was hey y'all want to see this and I found you want to see human head. You want to see a human head. You want to 29:21 area that you only had access to to clean this without one minute and then now all of a sudden your your people are tossing the head back and forth playing catch in a room and head ball in the more you quit. What even is head ball or even his head ball made up a game that you throw someone's head around. So yeah, you got fired. You guys want to play head ball. Hey, you guys will play some head ball. No 29:47 not really. It's really fun. It's kind of like basketball, but with head you guys like football in it. Yeah, you know that commercial with Patrick Mahal and the state farm guy and it's like it's like oh it's soccer, it's football. What is it? It's kind of a farm guys head is back there all that guy that's dig from state. You have things for see. Okay, honestly, honestly, if you find Jake from state farms head at Hospital Warg, 30:16 you should bring everyone to see that that anyway, so he loses this contract because yeah, long story short, take everyone to see the head yeah long story short, the hospital is not happy about this. He gets cut and and you letter of termination. You alluded to that his he has conspiracy brain, so he goes oh my gosh, they're trying to cover this up. Yeah, they're covering up the head, not oh you did something you weren't supposed to. It's you cut. You're covering up the head and so he begins to create this elaborate story. 30:46 of the hospital is selling human body parts on the black market and not just this hospital, but again I already said the reason they keep the body parts is for donation right or like that's the reason they would have a whole head is for if you were an organ donor right organ donor an organ donor yeah. They're not just keeping the head to be like that's kind of cool. I never see one that looks like this before and so like yeah 31:14 yeah, I don't say it in the more, but he's running around telling not only over the hospital, but everyone in this town that the hospital has body parts. Therefore they must be selling them yeah, which is a crazy thing to you. You're connecting dots yeah yeah right, so now he's creating this big story about how the hospital selling body parts yeah, and they're a part of this large connected black market. What year is this around? This was ninety nine. This is also 31:44 perfect time for the internet. Yes, yeah, the internet's just now starting to pop off and this is again. We've said this on the show before conspiracies used to be limited to your weird uncle who would say some weird crap and then you'd be like that's a shut up uncle Dan. You know, I need to be like you'll see one day or whatever and that would be the end of it yeah yeah, but then uncle Dan found all the other uncle Dan's on the internet and they were like yeah, that's right actually yeah, and so now they're not alone and they're dumb think yeah and they're 32:14 Something. 32:17 No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. It's yeah. All those people, they got forums and they started talking on forums and then they got Facebook groups and they started talking ice base, the whole thing, another podcast. Yeah. And now they decide elections. So now they have their conspiracies about yes, all the stuff yeah about how we're all this like 32:46 these these body parts are being right put or sold in the black market. Yes, so he thinks that it's this big conspiracy. All the all these underground sales of human right parts and he's connecting all these crazy lines and he's telling anybody literally every single person he talks on a huge town. How most of the population of Tupelo population in ninety nine so we can get a better picture of what it was back then because it's not it's a city, but it's not like 33:12 you know, this is a huge city is to blow Mississippi by the way. I don't know if I said Mississippi yet so yeah ninety nine. The population was between thirty four and thirty five thousand people. Yeah, that's not a big. It's a small town. It's the right size where it's like everybody knows your business yeah and so everybody knows this guy's going around and talking about the head yeah and the body parts and they also know he lost. Who was the weird guy in town? Did you have a weird guy? No, I have a suburb of a metropolis. That's right. Yeah, 33:39 we had some weird people in Mount Vernon. We had the lawn mower couple. What I've heard a lawn more. I've told you about the lawn mower couple. There are a couple that drives lawn mowers instead of cars pretty self explanatory dude. They didn't have cars. They had lawn mowers and could you guess what they did for work? Did they mo lot a mo and I was really hoping no they were no. They were doctors. I don't think I ever actually saw them mowing a lawn. Now that I think about it 34:08 I maybe I just associated that anyway yeah. They drove lawnmowers instead of instead of that. We also had Mikey who was a special needs adult who the town basically gave Mikey a job. Yeah, so Mikey had a gate town as in like city hall or the town as in like the people of town said no the city. He had like an official like he had a gator like a like a gator yeah like an alligator nope 34:36 like you know the little little like a gate that you can know like what do I even call this thing like a good suit up golf cart. Yeah, I knew the whole time, but yeah, it was close. He had the yellow light on it and everything and his job was to go clean up trash essentially yeah and then he lived in this little honestly a shack. I don't know why the town didn't buy him a better house. I could give him shoes for real though like the thing that he the little shack that he lived in. I was anyway 35:05 so the town gave him a job and he wasn't a weird guy. He was just a special needs adult who had he was like Hollywood on a yeah yeah yeah, but you know how kids are with that yes the kids are like that guy scary. You know, even though he wasn't at all yeah, slinging slasher, he's the yeah and then we had we had a lot of weird people. Now I'm thinking about yeah I've met. I met a couple of them when I that like one month I lived there through you did meet some of the weirds yeah Vernon 35:34 Yeah, I cannot tell you a single one from my home. Oh, there's the witch lady that I told you about. We rode her bike around and hung newspaper things. I met her. I met her. Yes, you did. I called. I called you. I was like I was like, I was that. Where was it? Casey's at the truck stop. Yeah, there's a weird lady. Well, now I said there's a man. I can't. Why is there this weird manicure? She moved and I was like, no, that's a person, but that's a human. Yeah, you ran into. I forget what we called her. She wrote her bike around. She literally was just standing outside the door like this. Dude, here's a thing 36:02 I am from a small. I'm proud of where I came from. I love Mount Vernon and it's really fun to okay. He's gonna keep going. Are you gonna tell us to keep? I like that I'm from Mount Vernon. I'm not. I'm not ashamed to where I grew up. There's just some stuff that there's there's elements of a small town culture. There's yes and there's so many things about that small town culture that I'm sad that my kids won't experience yeah, but then there's so many other things and I'm pretty glad my kids won't have to experience yeah yeah. 36:32 so anyway, and so what what KC experienced was everyone knew his everyone knows everything yeah everyone you got fired of a wave. People are like and then people will talk to each other. They'll be like hey, because you because here's the thing about conspiracy people. They will trap you in that conversation yeah yeah you will. You can't escape it there's you didn't bring it up yeah you didn't say anything yeah yeah 36:56 you be like where you're working at well. Here's why I got fired. I got fired and I saw ahead because they're selling body parts down to the hospital and you're like and you're like I actually have somewhere. I'm you know. Actually, I was just being nice yeah actually honestly couldn't care less. I was whatever you're saying being nice yeah just say just say yeah. I work at McDonald's and move on yeah. You know like let's not do all this, but yeah everyone knows everything, so people will warn other people essentially being like hey 37:26 careful what you bring up around Casey yeah around Paul, Kevin Curtis. They got a they had a group chat for the whole town like okay. See at the subway right now, everybody paper. They were like hey, don't worry. I talk to Casey oh he's in the morning paper is like hey, they're trying to cover it up. I everybody knows it gets papers in on town. He's telling everybody in the world. 37:48 and they all know he lost his job yeah and it's becoming a big issue because he's like well, I now I can't get any income, but he's like super passionate about it. Long, short short leads to a lot of problem in his marriage. These a lot of problems to all of his relationships and well yeah, because everyone in town knows that you're married to the hospital in a tick yeah yeah and he starts he starts to I don't know what the right word is go off the wall a little bit like he see he seems very obsessed with this and he's very much like that 38:16 that always there's a delphi. I've watched the documentary. The saddest footage in the whole documentary is his wife like he's filming his wife. You know I'm talking about that scene yeah and we'll get to that later, but you can literally like he because he's got a lot of footage of him filming his wife. He becomes the dad who's sitting at the computer all day yeah all day yeah and just consuming conspiracy stuff. Now I thought about this 38:41 is that it used to be your dad would sit in the corner on the computer all day, not our dad, but you know I'm talking about that that dad would sit on his on his computer all day and just scrolling forms on stuff and now they just moved it to their phones and now that dad will just sit on the couch, just trolling conspiracy, scrolling Facebook. Yeah, that's now those forums. Yeah, that's the same, but you footage that he's he took of his wife. You can literally just see her disso disassociate and she's just 39:08 spaced out and he's like. Can you believe all this stuff and she's just you can see the weight of it on her yeah her face? It's really sad he's losing it yeah and because because he gets he gets like it becomes kind of a pipeline for him because that's what the starting moment, but he gets sucked into like all conspiracies. Yes, like it's not just that, but that's like the top one and that's the one he's the most passionate about. It's also ninety nine two years before yeah nine eleven yeah, which then is 39:36 opens up the floodgates of like the conspiracy right world really, so he actually goes and he gets a bill like he puts a bill through to be like yeah. We're no more selling body parts. We can't do that anymore. No more black market also represent yeah. How does how do the person get a bill draft? I think I think anyone does anyone could do it. You just write it up. You get some local reps to sponsor it and then you're like okay. Let's do this. 39:59 did any local rest. I don't think he got any local reps to sponsor. He wrote his draft it up. He wrote his bill sent it and yeah and he was trying to get a sponsored. I think he did have one guy, but it's one of those like to we should or he, but that happened. He named it like US US, no more body parts. No, no, no, he like he like called it house bill two six one or something, but it's not a it wasn't an actual yeah. I wasn't that actually have a broken brain. Yeah, too, is that he just 40:26 you know, because he doesn't understand how bills get passed or how any of that works. Yeah, he just called it house bill two six one. I think I think what happened to is like he went to he went to some party or gathering or maybe he maybe his double trouble thing was playing an event and there was a representative there. That's right. He started talking to that representative and the representative told him how to do it and he was like yeah. I mean that sounds like probably a good thing to stop people from illegally selling human body parts. He was like cool. This guy signs off on it and he was like he's like I got his support and that guy's like I didn't say 40:53 I was talking about the same the guy that they know. Okay, so here's what because he hired they hired him as an Elvis impersonator yeah and then he here's the thing is that when you bully somebody and you're not clear that you're bullying them, you know I'm saying is that he went so I heard you. I heard you got fired from the hospital for some kind of body part thing. That's that representative being a jerk 41:21 that's what that was yeah. He's just like I heard you got fired for it. You know he's because he's just like now you're kind of dumb right. That's essentially what that was and then he was like and then I was you don't think so. You don't think the representative being like hey, I heard you if I because you're you've heard about the body part selling huh or you got some crazy views about them selling body parts out of the hospital and he was like yeah. I do he said be careful with that. Be careful with that and that yeah so that if you know 41:48 and he doesn't read that as hey, you're an idiot. He reads that as I'm on the right, but this guy knows about yeah, I'm not talking about that guy. I'm talking about the other rep that was like oh yeah, this sounds like a good thing. We probably should stop that, but he doesn't know the whole story sure and he's just like yeah, that sounds good. He's like he's like, but the here's how you do it and so he thinks he's signing off on that, but yeah, that guy he was like oh he's in on it. He's he's he's funneling body parts through and he's at the top level of the government. He's making this happen sure. Tell your story then and so 42:16 He he he drafts this bill, he sends it, and so he sends it off to that guy because that's his local representative who's got to sign off on it. And that guy rips it up and is like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And then he starts to believe, OK, this guy's in on it and he is a part of the conspiracy and he doesn't want me to be a part of now. Why is that guy in on it? Are we talking about that guy now? Yeah, yeah. Let me look at let me let me look up his name real quick. So Steve Holland was the representative. He sent this to to to get this bill passed. Yeah. 42:45 and he was not having it and he then KC starts to think, Oh, Steve Hollins in on it. He's part of selling the selling the these body parts and the reason for it, the reason for his connection. Well, is obviously he seems like pretty dismissive of the whole thing because he thinks it's ridiculous because it sure is pretty ridiculous, but there's a little side story hidden him and his mom, Steve Holland and his mom, Steve Holland and his mom. They run a funeral home together. 43:15 Yeah, which is it's weird. It's pretty weird. Me and my mom, we run this funeral together like a bonding thing. Yeah, and so so he's he's like a the representative, but he's also right now he's got this gig as the funeral guy, and so it you can kind of see how you get there. You're like oh this representative shoot down, shoots down my bill to not harvest body parts and sell them on the black market and he's 43:42 you know he owns a few got a lot of dead bodies around him hangs out with the dead. He's a mortician yeah he's not yeah he is like the guy who does it all. Is he the is he the guy or does he just do it sometimes because I kind of got the vibe from the documentary that like he wasn't supposed to be the guy that it did it well he's been around it enough for is like I can cut the guy I got the vibe that he you know that's what they did and now he's representative so he's hired. 44:10 Yeah, he's got a staff now, but he and his mom ran these funeral homes. Interesting. I met someone recently who owns a funeral home. Yeah, are they weird property? No, pretty normal, pretty normal, but it was interesting hearing about it because it was like him and a friend. They went in together to get this funeral. I mean, it was the whole graveyard. Obviously you have the funeral home in the graveyard and he was like yeah, we kind of split responsibilities. He's like, so I handle the funerals. He handles the maintenance and so he's like my friend goes up there 44:38 and he does like all the like lawn care yeah and then your friend got the better end of that deal, dude, and then I just get a call whenever someone dies and then he's like he's like it. So does he do the embalming and all that he doesn't do all that they like outsource all that stuff, but he has to like cordon and a party contractor, an omer yeah. He has to coordinate all that's who the weird person is. You know saying yeah the entrepreneur he's got the hustle grime shoot dude. That's a great bit 45:07 a guy who's just like yeah. I run six businesses, one of my embalm people for funeral homes because they don't want to do that. Yeah, the other have a social media market. So here, so I actually own. I own a crib and baby store and then I own a 45:25 teen apothecary right for for teen clothes, then I own a wedding shop, right, and then I own and I'm a divorce lawyer. I'm a financial advisor, obviously, lawyer, and then I also I sell it works homes and then I own the funeral. So I'm a full life care kind of guy. Yeah, I'm a life coach. If you will, coach, I prefer guide. I prefer the word. I'll take you through the whole thing yeah and I'll bury you. 45:55 crazy dude shark, dude, psychos, do this. Can you imagine going on shark take a trying to pitch him charging business? Dead people are gross. We make a black. That's why there's none of them in this room right now. That's why we keep them away from you know who's never in the decision room. 46:23 dead guy. He's like that's why today I brought a few. You guys see a dead guy look. How gross they are that on platter. You hate that yeah. That sucks doesn't it. What if I told you that that shark has been dead the whole time you didn't even know that's how good I am. Kevin hasn't made a deal in six seeds 46:50 guy involved him six seasons ago for this moment. Heck yeah, dude. Anyway. 47:00 that's crazy. So so reasonable to be a little suspicious sure that this guy might maybe somewhat be involved in selling body parts on the black market. You know somewhat reasonable connection. Sure yes, so I sell dead people sue me pretty good website. So I don't know if you should look that one up. You think it's available 47:28 let's find out I so when when Casey when Paul Kevin Curtis, when Casey says that he's on the dark web yeah. What does that mean? When people say that dang it, it's 47:49 we get done at pops up, it's taken. Oh, it's probably parked right. 47:57 I probably shouldn't go to this, but here we are committed. Yeah, I'd say it's just parked. Someone bought that being like oh yeah, someone's gonna want this. I can flip that to me. That's crazy. Sell that people so Casey starts going around talking about how yeah this guy's connected to this. That's why he shot down my house bill and then something happens one day 48:28 relatively normal day and what did I say this guy's now Steve Holland, Steve on Steve Holland, opens up his meal and it's there's he's got suspicious, suspicious mail that day. Another another is in his house. I think it was at his office. Yeah, I don't know which office but is that his office. He gets suspicious mail, another house or another like a congressman gets some suspicious mail and then most noteworthy 48:57 President Barack Obama gets some suspicious mail. What year is this? This is two thousand and thirteen. Thank you 49:09 I was trying to set the stage that now we're thirteen years ahead of where the story start. So this has been going yeah he's obviously been in this deep into the conspiracy hole and in two thousand and thirteen yeah rock Obama. What was the other representative's name starts with the W or was he the senator? Was he the representative? I think he was a congressman. I think it was the congressman of the state, the state rep Ben Thompson, the congressman and then Steve Holland, the local right 49:38 all got suspicious. That's right, yeah, Steve Hollins mom is a judge. Yes, yes, she's also a judge, which is also suspicious. Yes for body parts, yeah, and they all get a suspicious letter. Yeah, 49:53 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. 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Steve or Steve Hall's mom is the one who kind of sounds the alarm and then they inspect it and they're like, oh, this is interesting. They do the inspection and then they're like, we should inspect those other weird ones. So it goes up the chain because she open it. I believe she opens it and I do think she gets sick. Yeah and so they they investigate. They find it with obviously the president, the congressman, the senator and her the judge. 51:19 they realize they're all connected and these are all laced with rice and their letters race laced with rice and which is a poison yeah, I said is the is the white powder substance that if you open the envelope, you get any contact with it. It's deadly. Yeah, you're done. It's very dangerous. Yeah, it's the reason that everything that's sent through the White House or anything like that is screened. Yeah, 51:41 Yeah, this I was opened by somebody other than the people who would send to and they have to which sucks because there's somebody who's just like ah well, you're alive, I'm dead today, blommer that killed me. So they they find this rice in and in this rice and letter there's there's a letter on it and the letter. Here's what's interesting. He has for years been posting on these forums, all these conspiracies ramblings like you see people do when they 52:12 he's also written a book at this point. Oh, I forgot call as the screen play. Yeah, he's he's writing a screenplay yeah he's written this book yeah yeah about his life and how he's taking down this ring. I'm the I should tell the story because you missed some very crucial things that happened here, right. Look up that doctor in New York who got caught right while I'm telling this part. Okay, so Casey has written a book called missing pieces yeah. 52:39 and he is he's written this self published book about all the conspiracy. These got the things that he's putting together. He's uncovered this big ring. He is actually he's running like fate like what would be called Facebook groups. I they were I for where they were like Facebook, my space like groups and he's doing these big video calls with people and 52:59 having them share their stories about them and their area about body parts getting sold. So he's got people from Connecticut and Arizona and New Mexico and he's in Mississippi and he's got people all over the country, reinforcing this idea that there's this big ring of body parts getting sold right, and so they're actually they're narrowing in on one specific doctor and I believe it was New York. Yeah, he was a specific doctor in New York, after Michael Mastrom Marino 53:26 master marino, yep, and they have for years been like we think this guy is selling body parts right and everyone's like I mean you're crazy all the stuff. Well, what year did this happen in two thousand five that is covered that he was pulling bones, tissue and other organs from deceased in two thousand five master marion, where we went on nailed it, whatever that doctor in new york is actually caught doing the thing that at that point kc is only six years into believing right. So this 53:54 This is almost like we did an episode about Alex Jones, not a couple years ago, and in that episode we talked about how Alex Jones uncovered an actual conspiracy when he was in high school, and this is what I think happened is that that reinforced that part of his brain and for Casey he was like. Oh, this is real. I'm not crazy, and it's one of those things where one element of this massive story you've told yourself is true. 54:18 Therefore, you believe the entire story is true because you've reinforced with this one element, but that's not enough to build that big of a story arm. Yeah, so he's been doing this. Also, every time he tells these stories, it grows grander and grander and grander. It grows from I saw one head in the refrigerator to I saw refrigerators full of heads. I saw, you know, by birth with labels on them, all this stuff. It grows to like where he's changing his memory to instead of Oh, I just saw one head in the hospital. Now it's I saw 54:46 twenty heads in the hospital. He is holding. He's doing like street evangelism. He's having small groups at his house and he's having people share their stories of their conspiracies and it really is like we grew up in Christian environments. It when he was showing the footage when they were showing the footage of their like small group of their house, yeah, that felt so churchy, yep, yep, so this has been ten years of now thirteen years of this 55:15 this is real. This is happening and all these people are covering it up. Yeah, yeah, also in that timeline he gets divorced right and then his wife is working for his brother at his brother's insurance company, which also you have to look up as brother. 55:32 because his brother advertises his insurance salesman stuff as the Elvis impersonator, so it's like he's like he's like he's like hey come on, which is the thing he stole from his little brother right, so his wife starts working for his brother. They are a little too close little weird little little too close. They probably touch faces sometimes and and that really bothers Casey a lot so 55:57 there's so many external things at this point. He's isolated himself from his kids who are now growing up and he's divorced. Yeah, there's a footage that he takes. He's got the camera pointed at his wife where he says. Do you think you're my brother's more handsome than me? Yeah, you know, and you can see her face just so she's somewhere else and she's just no and it's so sad that he's 56:25 Yeah, yeah, he's better looking. He's got more money. He's taken her all these business trips. Yeah, it is nice. He's not insane. He's not a crazy person thing. So what I'm saying is that in ninety nine he sees this thing in the hospital. He gets fired for it. He's conspiracy brain kind of triggers a little bit. He does all this stuff two thousand five. It's reinforced because one element of this massive story turns out to be true. Yeah, so then he 56:53 doubles down on it, triples down on a quadruples down on it so much that he's exiled himself from anybody in his real actual life. Yeah, two thousand thirteen. These suspicious letters show up and they say this and they say to to see a wrong and not expose it is to become a silent partner in this continuance and then it's signed off as as I am Casey and I approve this message and it's lace with rice and yeah 57:21 and so there's also a mention of missing pieces in it in the right. Yeah, I mean I might just be saying just a a letter. Read the one that was sent to Obama. So I what I've while you're looking that up when I am like so I've been reading a lot about cults or you know just conspiracy minded people and how they end up here and a lot of people write this stuff off like it's just harmless. 57:49 it's like oh, I mean yeah, he's got some crazy ideas, whatever like we still it's the same thing of like oh, I would never cut someone out because they believe this weird stuff, but they there is such an I the isolation is part of it. Yes, like you yeah, it's unavoidable. It's not one of those things where it's like oh man, like you have to confront this yeah. If this is happening with your family member, you have to confront it. Otherwise it will. It will always lead to the isolation of that. They will always 58:18 it's like a cancer like it just grows and it gets worse and worse and worse. The more you let it grow yeah. I was. I've been thinking about this recently while we can say this conversation. We can say that the after the available to our patreon supporters, which are now part of to save Tim's family. So the earlier I terry, the first part of this letter to your mom, the first part of this letter says no one wanted to listen to me before 58:41 there are still missing pieces. Yeah, maybe I have your attention now, even if that means someone must die. This must stop to see a wrong and not expose it is to become a silent partner in its continuance. I am Casey and I approve this. You read the least dramatic part of the of the letter dude to even it to expose the truth, even if someone must die and then you were like, I don't know what I don't want to say. Yeah, he says I'm willing to sacrifice somebody. They're still missing pieces. I am Casey and I approve this message yeah yeah and so 59:11 obviously the FBI is not excited about this right and they're like we need to figure out who does this. They do some digging and they find that Casey is on all these forums on Facebook in his Facebook groups constantly signing off from everything saying I'm Casey and I approve this message and then also having like you said the the screenplay book thing called missing pieces and so they think this is enough circumstantial evidence to bring him in and question him and so they bring him in they question him obviously they don't get a lot out of these questions, but they 59:40 book him and they hold them and they begin a trial as if he is the guy who did this because he has this grand story. It's the people who he has beef with that got targeted with this. He's got this big conspiracy. He's very outspoken with it and then obviously a lot he mentions each of these people who are targeted with the rice and like he sent these letters, yes and the letters are postmarked from an area close to where he lives and so there's just a lot of things that say okay, they 01:00:06 point towards. He's probably the book. He says I am Casey and I approve this message. Yes, yes and so they're doing this whole trial. He's he's booked. He's held for a couple weeks. They're investigating him the whole time and the judge of his trial. Oh, who was the judge? The judge of the trial ended up being Steve Howe's mom. Yeah, the the person selling the body parts right. I forgot about that. I you might be right. I don't know 01:00:36 I don't know. Was she not the judge of that trial? It may have been a different trial that he go to. Did he go to trial for something else because she was his judge at one point? 01:00:46 yeah. I don't remember he chose to read was on that self because he's because yeah he's done dumb dumb. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, so yeah, so he's arrested for sending the rice and letters yeah he's arrested for sending the rice and letters and this is all over the news. This was this was the this is huge. I mean I remember the news happy yeah being like oh yeah. Guys, try my got a lot of letter yeah 01:01:11 yeah and that's where it is what the representative said in the documentary too, was had he just sent it to his local representative. It would not have been the massive story that it is yeah yeah you know, but he said it went to the press. Now it's the biggest story in the country yeah yeah and so which that's news for you. Just so you guys know, remember you can poison your locals, but you can't poison the feds. So the f has got him 01:01:40 in their interviews. They're asking them the questions there at the light on them. The whole thing you know how that goes. They search his home. Yeah, they they're doing the whole night because they really j when they came and got him. They kicked down his door. Yeah, they it was a raid like it was an FBI raid and obviously small town big news FBI rolls into town. Everybody's talking about that for years. Yeah, so he gets booked. He's in questioning and in the questioning he doesn't have like a lot of answers for what's going on, but at 01:02:09 at one point in the questioning process, he starts bringing up a name of another character that we haven't met yet and guy by the name of Everett Dutch, never Dutch key a little bit about him, former military guy owns like a local karate studio and is like the the karate teacher. Yeah, the karate teacher, the karate teacher, yeah, I know karate. He's the karate teacher and they had an interesting relationship because at one point they want you to call him sensei 01:02:38 Yeah, he's the karate sensei yeah, and so at one point they had like a little. I said what they want you to call. I'm not that's what they want you to call. Actually, I was sensei. No, you're not. They had they had like a little bit of a budding friendship for a second because it Dutch key heard him talk about the body parts was like yeah. I buy that yeah, and so like he like supported the theory and they kind of like I don't want to say spiral together because I don't know if I would 01:03:07 go that far, but they kind of like you know and each other's flames. Yeah, they did the conspiracy thing together and he was like yeah, I believe that and then he's like he's like I know some other conspiracy theories. He's like oh, you tell me you're and so they were their conspiracy buddies right well well and and dusky had run like a newsletter or something that for years case. He had been sending his stuff to dusky trying to get him to because that dusky had long term goals of becoming a politician. 01:03:35 yes, yes, so dusky's been you know around all these politicians and trying to work his way into was it the Republican Party at that point like he's trying to you know through the two thousands just at all the different events trying to you know work his way into that circle so he could eventually run for office and that was his big thing about trying to start a karate studio was that dusky starts a karate studio in this town to kind of 01:04:01 make roots in this town, so that he can become the representative, which is a crazy thing to do to move to a new town and be like. I can't just run for representative here. I just moved here yeah, so I got to get to know everybody. The best way to do that is to teach them all karate. It's like a missionary, yes, that's what I'm trying to get power here power conspiracy theorists really are operating at a discipleship model that works better than the church models. Yeah, it's crazy, alarming yeah. 01:04:31 because they're insidious ideas and they just yeah, that's on to people. So he he he moves into town. He was you guys want to see a human head. You know it's crazy. Yeah, you can't start with that. It was an Italian. Like you guys want to learn how to kick better. You're pretty bad at it. I'm a sense. I'm going to teach you how to kick. It's like cool. I'd like to know how to kick better. So he has aspirations to do something bigger. So he started his karate and he and he is allegedly in a very, very intelligent guy. He's a member of Mensa. He's got a background 01:05:00 in some sort of like you and I need to take the IQ. We do need to do the IQ test, but he's got some sort of like background in like paramilitary like secret ops sort of stuff. It's like a little foggy, but allegedly he's done some crazy things and by all accounts, very intelligent guy, very intelligent guy. Well, him and him and Casey kind of have this friendship, but then they start to get a falling out falling out and it kind of revolves 01:05:27 around this thing where Casey starts to or yeah Casey starts to annoy Everett Dutch key and then it starts to turn into oh he doesn't just annoy him like he's he drives him nuts specifically because Casey starts saying he's also in Mensa and well he's like no you're not well. Okay, let's broad scope here. This is really quick telling of it. Casey's now ex wife who already has maybe kissed his brother 01:05:56 that has a soft spot for guys who are balding yeah and ever dusky doesn't got a lot of hair yeah and so casey's ex wife has a big old crush on ever a dusky that drives casey crazy yeah. So casey starts this is a weird broken brain thing to do yeah. He starts like starts like no. He starts in person like he starts like all of duskies hobbies. He starts making his hobbies 01:06:24 so dusky does karate. So all of a sudden KC is posting videos of him on Facebook in his living room doing karate, then it's like you don't do karate and he's like yeah. I do. I do karate now and it's him doing. It's the same thing like his older brother did to him where his older brother saw that Casey really enjoyed doing Elvis. So his older brother did Elvis and then did it better. I think Casey thought he could do that to ever dusky where he was like. Oh this guy does karate. I do karate. This guy does 01:06:53 this, this and this. I do this, this and this yeah right, but the thing that drove ever it nuts was when ever because ever it's big thing. He tells everybody that he's a member of Mensa, which is if you don't know it's a high I Q group, you have to qualify to go take a test in person and qualify to be in it yeah, and if you're in Mense, you have to tell everyone about it. That is the rules like it's a it's cross fit for people who aren't. It's the other side across the other I Q range is Mensa on this side cross on this side. 01:07:20 you got cross, you got cross, people dumb. You guys get it right. So you got cross think cross think cross, you know, and then you know anyway, then normally all the cross fitters dumb, but anyway, so 01:07:36 the thing that drives him up the wall is when is when case he's finally like you know what I'm going to win this battle. I'm going to win this war that we're having yeah, so he photoshopped a mince certificate. This is how petty and weird they are is that him posting on this all on face. Just on face, but yeah, is that him posting this mince certificate is what flips dusky to send him messages and emails are like I'm giving you two days notice to delete that because you are not a member of MENSA and I take this 01:08:04 very seriously yeah. They're having it flipped into this feud yeah that they're very public few yeah yeah and the whole town is kind of like yeah. These two guys hate each other for some reason yeah and dusky dusky is like. I don't know what you call it, but like a narcissist like a troop leader for Mensa and so he's I don't even think he's actually in Mensa. Yeah, he claims he's a true. This guy is a this guy's a narcissist, but he sues him for 01:08:33 like faking the fact that he was in Mensa, which is an insane thing to do sure, and so yeah, so they've got a lot of beef and so when Casey starts saying oh it was a guy yeah, it was dusky yeah, and so they start looking into Dutch key and they're like oh, this is this is a guy that this guy's got a problem with yeah and they're like oh he's framing him, but in the FBI they like well we got to chase down this lead and figure out what's going on there. So they start chasing because as they're talking to Casey, the FBI 01:09:03 asks Casey. Well, did you make the rice and case he goes? I don't like Chinese. He's like he's a Gatton. So we're a response. I don't eat rice. Yeah, they were like the FBI starts to one. What is this guy smart enough to do this and that's a level that you've like you know saying you got a hope 01:09:23 that if you get you get a red for a crime that you're dumb enough that the FBI goes, there's no way this person could have pulled guys too dumb to do this. There's so there's already like those are the holes where it's like there's a lot of things here, but now this guy's kind of dumb and there's no evidence in Casey's house that he made rice and yeah and so if he did he's either has another location or he's very, very, very good at what he's doing at keeping it clean. The thing the FBI knows about rice and is that to make 01:09:53 Yeah, so now they're looking through Casey's trash and they're looking through purchase history and they're trying to find. Did he buy it? Because you got to grind all this stuff up and typically they use a coffee grinder like a like a store bought co grinder and so they're looking for this coffee grinder. Yes, and they can't and they can't find it. They can't find it, but at the same time they're tailing dusky. Yeah, they're like well, but the dumb guy. It doesn't seem like he did it. Maybe we should see if I'm guys other dumb guy. 01:10:19 the dumb guy is still feuding with this other dumb guy very publicly during dumb guys trial for sending rice into the present yeah. That's a your reporters are calling him in prison and he's he's like hey, can you post on my face? You post and say you just put duskies an idiot. You say Dutch LOL boo anyway, yeah, so so they're like well, that's let's chase this lead down. So they start 01:10:48 exploring. So they go to Dutch keys house. They check around Dutch keys house. They're like, hey, we're here to look at your house time that they do that. Dusky's talking to reporters. Dutch key is so the FI decides to search Dusky's house. Yeah. Dutch key. Dutch key is like calling reporters and saying I want to talk about this guy and he's show up to public. Yeah, yeah, very, very public because he's such an image control kind of guy. Yes, yes, yes. So they come to his house. They search his house. They don't find anything at his house. Yeah. 01:11:18 they, but then someone during the search is like, Oh, but he's the sensei and they're like what now he teaches the karate. Why didn't you say that? Why did you say? What did you say? Sensei Mensa? He's the Mensa sensei. He's a sensei. So they searched the dumpster at the karate at the karate studio and what do they find? They find the grinder. They find materials that look like they were or that were contaminated. Don't find a grinder. They find the box of the grind. 01:11:45 okay. They find the box of the grinder and they find that the materials that the rest was sorry. I'm trying to tell the story. They find materials that are like contaminated with rice in and then the materials that you use to make rice in and so they book him and they do a full scale investigation. We end up realizing it was ever at dusky and what he was doing is he wrote this letter to frame Casey yeah because he had such a also the whole reason that Casey signs his 01:12:14 posts. We forgot that part Casey signs all of his posts. I am Casey and I approve this message. The whole reason he started doing that was because Dusky's been trying to set himself up as a politician, so Dusky posts videos all the time on Facebook and ends all of his video. I'm ever dusky and I approve this message, so he's making fun of that. So Casey has been doing that to make fun of ever dusky. So now ever dusky to get back at him for posting a mince a photo has made rice and has put it in an envelope. 01:12:44 has said it to the resident rock Obama and then tried to frame Casey yeah for sending rice into the president. He's like this guy annoys me enough that I'm going to kill the president of any feud in my life that is aggressive enough that I'm like you know what I'm going to get you sent to prison for life for trying to assassinate a president yeah yeah. 01:13:07 and I'm not not only am I going to tell you right now I'm going to attempt to do it. If this podcast ever ends, I will frame you. I will make that happen, but it's a level of insane bleep that word. It's a level of insane that is off the charts like absolutely off the charts, so they get them. They've got evidence. They book them. They release a release. They go hey sorry 01:13:33 they were like sorry you were too dumb to do this and he's like thank you so much for saying that yeah and so he leaves and honestly this whole thing like wrecked his life and I mean to be fair, he wrecked his life earlier a long time before this by getting so involved in all this stuff, but obviously this was a big deal as well and he he had a hard time after this book in his office things and like and so there's an impact in his life now he obviously went to prison again. 01:14:02 give up the conspiracy theories. Yeah, he said he went. You know what? I realized that being close to my wife and kids or my ex wife, my kids was most important thing to me and I put out a fair series and I let it all go and I'm just living my life yeah and nine months later he goes. You know what? What if Dutch key was 01:14:26 also framed, so he sends a letter to ever dusky in prison. This is Casey Casey sends a letter to dusky in prison and says hey ever it. I know that you were framed by somebody else and you were framed for trying to frame me. So let's team up and find out who put who did this, so they're interviewing dutch key via phone call the document area. 01:14:49 yeah and they're like hey, what do you think about this? Casey says that you got set up because I did get set up, but it's very clear that Paul Kevin Curtis had nothing to do with and Paul Kevin Curtis is like hey ever a dusky. I know that you were framed trying to frame me and it cuts back to duskies being like I cannot overstate that Paul Kevin Curtis has nothing like even they're feuding and they're conso like so ever dusky is now claiming that he was framed yeah yeah. 01:15:18 but that Casey has nothing to do with it. Yeah, okay, that's how and broken your brain gets when you follow down the four Chan hole. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So this is all to say like we've got an episode about MK ultra. We got an episode about the mod project. 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This Woman Saved J.P. Morgan | Hetty Green Ep 262

02-25-25

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00:00 Today we're talking about the richest woman that maybe ever existed. Yeah, she propped up the financial industry in 1907 during the panic of 1907 without her multiple banks and financial institutions that still exist today might have failed yeah and she amassed in astonishing amount of wealth that's crazy. Even to this day and a pretty interesting reputation. So today we're learning about heady green. This is things I learned last night. It's an educational comedy podcast. We're going to learn a lot about the life and the story of who this person is. 00:29 but we're also going to joke around a lot and laugh along the way. Today's date is February twenty fifth, yep nailed it nice. So this weekend I'm in the Chicago area that I got a lot of dates in March and April and May and June and none in July, I don't know, but all my tour dates are on jerry meyers dot com slash shows. I would love to see you at a live show. Let's laugh and hang out together, but if I don't see you there, I will see you every Tuesday on this podcast. 00:55 I don't know how to land. I love that. All right, let's get to the episode. 01:02 You know there's a place called Sandwich in London? 01:07 Are we going to do Earl of Sandwich? Is that what we're doing right now? No, I think it's in London. I think it's in the UK or something like that. I don't know. Is this unrelated? I don't know where Sandwich is yeah. It's unknown. Okay, but you man, but do you know okay? So Sandwich, do you know that's why I know it's in Massachusetts? What no Sandwich is a place in the UK. Okay, but do you know why it's called a Sandwich like a? Oh, is it because of the UK of the Sandwich? Huh? 01:37 man shout out to that guy. Well, at least the folklore is that he was a poker player and enjoyed and he wanted to eat his dinner while he was playing a card game, so he had his person put the roast be was between that between two pieces of bread. He was that bad of a degenerate gambler yeah that he couldn't stop to eat that he literally that's why this that's why it's so he was the Earl of Sandwich. A lot of sense actually looking at you looking it up right now. No, I'm not that doesn't make a lot of sense though. 02:07 Yeah. 02:12 all right. That is really interesting. I made it up. Did you really? No, come on. What's your episode about Earl? Hey man, and there's a whole restaurant named after they're literally called the Earl of Sandwich, but after the Earl of Sandwich, the guy who created sandwiches, is that real? Though is that the story that they tell for market that's a hundred and real because I actually googled it separately. I was like no way that's no way there's a real story. They made this up for the brand and then I googled it 02:35 but how do you know for sure that I is not from communist China, dude, China didn't tell me that story. China was like you know for China was like a come over to have the same which was you got really worried in your eyes for a second. You thought I was a great ready to do a Chinese accent. Did you you thousand? I does not like 02:55 all right man. Have you ever heard of head? No start over, leave it all in that's a place to start the episode. Have you ever heard of any green, eddie green, hattie green? Have you ever heard of hattie green? Yes, hold on. It's another way to say this. That's the color we just painted our room. It's henrietta henrietta hattie howland robinson green 03:22 Henrietta, how the Robinson Green, I can't remember why okay, tell me about heady. She was born in eighteen ninety seven in New Bedford, Massachusetts, every person memorized who was born in eighteen ninety seven. I and that's where I was like I've heard this. I heard this David. I'm proud that's what I do like you know in my free time. I just I sit on my couch and I just go through the list yeah in Rieta, Hedy 03:49 it's just a list of obituaries from eighteen ninety seven. Yeah, Eddie Green later in her career. She would earn her earn the title and I don't know if I would call this a title. She would earn the nickname yeah. The public began to call her the nickname, the witch of Wall Street, because she just hung around Wall Street cursing people sell me this broom, sell me this broom 04:18 you can't do your pathetic, but that okay, so she will just start at the beginning of the story eighteen ninety seven. I don't know she was born in eighteen thirty four, eighty, wow, I was way off that did not look like eighteen thirty four. First time I read it, she's born in eighteen thirty four in New Bedford, Massachusetts. She was the daughter of a man named Edward Robinson, who was a whaling tycoon. So this back when you used to just take miles out of the ocean. 04:48 Wailing Tycoon. 04:54 Yikes. Oh, I'm going to get you. 05:06 you build your boat, harpoon, harpoon that way, i'm going to put a boot. It's my white whale harpoon. 05:20 ding dong out of harpoons, but it's like a nineties. Okay, by more by more harpoon credit card so well, so well, so well, so yeah well, oil was a big deal. If you don't know that was like all the oil, all the oil was whale oil because we hadn't figured out how to take it from dinosaurs yet, so we took all our oil from wheels. Is that what vehicles ran on? 05:50 I don't know. I mean this was before cars yeah was eighteen thirties. You don't know that tartar Chinese proper, so the whale, whale, I did the whale oil was where they like lit all their stuff and I don't know whatever else you needed oil for yeah. You don't know it for you. I don't know whatever else you just leave it. I don't know man. Don't make guesses. Yeah, I'll take a guess. Great guess. That's what it's for. Yeah podcast is for misinformation. 06:18 so her family member were Quakers, Quakers and Whalers Quakers as in the religious, not the cereal, which is named after the religious Quakers, the same Quakers. You can't just be like us different Quakers, the same Quakers okay. I don't think that's true speaking of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. There's a there's a there's a Quaker plant 06:47 like where that's where they make quaker people. No, that's where they make the oatmeal, but they make the strawberry oatmeal and in Cedar Rapids. So some days it just smells like sweet strawberries to the town, smells like strawberries and cream. Is that wonderful? I think I said that is actually pretty nice. I grew up next to a dog food factory, so that's not as a true story. I never forget where I came from. I came from next to the dog food factory, think that I think that they their their mascot is a quaker. Yeah, but I don't think that 07:16 that the Sira Company is the Quakers. I don't know their Quakers, but I'm down saying like oh you're trying to differentiate your being like oh we're talking about bees not like the B movie yeah, but those are still bees. It's the movie about bees like that's a B. It's I mean I guess I don't think bees made the movie. I don't think so either do I say we can be I made the only the bees made the movie either, but it's a but they could movies could though. These are smart 07:46 the bees could have made the right. I guess I wanted to make the movie that could have been saying the Quaker that you see on the cereal box is the Quaker being referenced here. Yeah, you could be right at Quaker is her dad. Yeah okay, so that Quaker burst the witch 08:06 wait her dad yeah, because she's the witch keep up yeah, but you said her dad birth to which yep. Okay, all right, Quakers are like seahorse switched. Okay, that's because of all the whales. I don't know to a sub their biology. Keep up there are too many whales. My biology is all my this. I'm trying folks so so 08:34 at two years old. Their parents were like this is too much work, and so they sent her to live with yeah. 08:45 this is too much work. Gosh, you're so annoying. Where you were this enter to they said her to live with her grandfather and her aunt who also live with her grandfather. I don't want to deal with this anymore. You got to get out of here and what sucks is they had six other kids already, so it's not even like yeah. Yeah, it was just like this wasn't our first thing. The one was too much. They're like so they said her to live with her grandfather and her aunt in sandwich. Was it actually ran Maryland like yes, it was actually her. Yes, yes, 09:14 and and sandwich in sandwich, not the origin of the word sandwich. No, it's based off the Earl of Sandwich. 09:25 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 09:52 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 10:08 so Gideon her grandpa, grandpa's name is Gideon. He really liked financial like stock markets and the news and stuff like that, and he didn't like working for himself, and so at a young age he taught heady how to read so that way she could read the paper to him. 10:29 so he could sit on your books didn't exist yet, so you know it on the other side of the room with a scotch and a cigar and be like read me the paper. Wow, it's brutal and so I love it. She read stock market news to him every day and so she started to learn the stock market because every day she's reading it as a child. She's growing up reading her grandfather, all the happenings of Wall Street sure and then Gideon had a lot of influence on her father. 10:59 and so he was constantly like kind of leading him and may helping him make decisions, and so Gideon was like hey. I think that your whaling business. I think you'd be a lot more successful if your thirteen year old daughter was your bookkeeper and so had he took over as the bookkeeper for his whaling company, and so she learned how to run the ledger and now to trade commodities. Here's a thing we used to let like let 11:28 the kids take charge and now we got these kids who are twenty six living at home yeah, could we never let them be in charge of the whale company yeah. You never let them do things yeah. We never let them make decisions for what the teams, what players the team should trade for because oh, I know what they're mad and re whatever dude like freaking here's the thing. Here's the here's my input to a twenty six year old living in your mom's basement. Go join the whaling industry, yeah learn how the learn how much whales are worse grow up. 11:54 pull yourself up on the boot straps and you don't know what a whale's worth. Oh quit helping your mom turn the butter and go join the whales. 12:04 I'm not on a touch. You should be with the way you should be with the who that boy should be with the whales. I don't want the whales and you believe he's a home turn butter when he could be out there with the whales and she would accompany her dad to all the business stuff he would do. She would go to the counting houses into the store right to all the places to learn about how the whaling industry worked and how to sell commodities, and so she was 12:36 She learned about the economy, items, invoices, inventory, the point of it's the economy. Guess what? It boosts the economy. Listen, Jack, listen, Jack, 13:02 we can't make those jokes anymore. He's been gone for like a month. I don't mean from probably cheese won the Super Bowl, though, right, most likely if they didn't then it's right. So if they did, I don't know man. I don't know what to say. They lose the Texans tomorrow. We're recording this. I don't know what before that game yeah. If they lose the Texans tomorrow, I'm not going to put this episode out 13:31 So she graduates high school yeah. She attends like a multiple different porting throughout school. She graduates high school with her high school diploma, impressive and impressive in that day and age yeah and then also fifteen years experience at the whaling industry and so like she and which also also she's a woman in the eighteen seventies and so it's peculiar enough for her to know this much. She can read yeah like it's kind of strange that she's like 14:00 knows this much about money in this day and age like everyone's like. Why are you bringing your daughter to this? Don't you have a son and he's like shut up? My daughter's here forget about it. She knows more about Matt than I do. My daughter's like my daughter knows stuff. I don't yeah. I just kill way as all I know. All I know is all I know is death to Wales. My daughter's here to negotiate the terms of this deal. I'm here to kill some Wales for you. Okay, 14:29 I like a guy who's like a broken assassin. You know what I just like all I know is death and he's just like he shows in the meetings and she's like, so here's the services we offer and they're like why isn't he talking? He doesn't really have a money like to say he's. Why you say something? 14:50 he's like sounding it out. That's all he's saying. He just does a whale calls the whole time. That's so ominous dude, like someone saying that's where ghosts are. Our move ghosts are just go to whale hunters. All right, yeah, they were all whale. They were all whale arms. It was a big industry. 15:17 a few years from now there's just going to be why that you know all the all the iron age guys that were working in in to try years from now goes. There's going to be in the corner being like a masculinity is dying. It's also going to be sad dude. We were man, masculine energy, we need more men. What we need is more men. 15:43 okay, so she turns twenty and her aunt Sylvia Giddens gone by now. Giddens yeah, but her aunt Sylvia is like hey, I think you should move to New York. You should find yourself a spouse. It's time you're twenty years old. Your woman is what your life's about. You need to go find us out there in your years yeah, and so she convinced I at thirty five now on Sylvia rings up or probably writes a letter. Actually, this is the eighteen eighties, writes a letter. 16:13 or now this is the eighteen fifties eighteen fifties, writes a letter off to Hedy's dad and is like hey, your daughter got to get married, send her to New York. Why don't you send her twelve hundred dollars so she can get really nice outfits so she can find he goes since the twelve hundred so he sends twelve hundred dollars to a lot, though a ton of money back then a ton of money and she's like he's like buy yourself some gowns, some great outfits go out on the town like 16:43 do the socialite thing yeah, so you can meet a good wealthy man as the idea, and so she spends twelve two hundred dollars on a couple of nice outfits. Then she invests. She invests the other thousand. That's my kind of gal right there. Somebody who sees through the temporary and says I'm going to play the long term game here. The only thing she was able as a woman to invest in was bonds, so she invests in bonds like we won't let a lady invest in our companies. 17:10 You can't put any more money in the Coca-Cola from a woman. 17:16 What are the one female dollars? Can't give me no female dollars. That's that dollar is worth seventy five cents coming from you. 17:34 yeah and so she goes, she invests and she has a yeah. She doesn't have huge success, but she's got these bonds that are sure and she doesn't find a man and so she kind of runs out of money to live in New York. She goes back home and so she's back in New Bedford. She sort of his bonds. Yeah, she still got the bonds. The bonds are still growing or father exits the whaling business. He moves to New York City, 18:00 and he timed his exit. He's like I'll go find you. He times is exit perfectly. Hey, you got a wife all right, I got one and so her father exits the whaling business and he times it perfectly because petroleum was discovered and it 18:27 basically killed the whaling industry overnight. It killed the whaling industry, the way that the whaling industry killed the way and her dad, her dad, all he knew was killing whales and so she he started sit in his chair all day, been like he's got like the beer bottle and he's doing the over the that's how that started because they missed the sound of the way 18:56 I missed the sound of the whales I killed. 19:01 it sounds like them and so she was she was moving between she's bouncing between Bedford and New Bedford and New York City, and so she was how assisting her father with his new businesses. I don't really know what his new business adventure or venture was Donald, but but she was assisting him and then something interesting happens on Sylvia dies and when she dies on Sylvia had 19:30 children of her own and allegedly she left all of her children out of the will and left everything to I know how that happened to Hedy Green and all of her. I do is find an old person who is a little bit out of it and then get them to write everyone else out of their will. That's I mean that's you know yeah and so and that's a that's the most his like that is the most common scam pulled yeah and so all of her siblings are like you tricked her. 20:00 dollars, then so they took her to court because she left her eight thousand dollars, which is the equivalent to two hundred seventy thousand dollars today. So pretty decent good chunk of change yeah inheritance and so her siblings are like that's ours and she's like it's mine and so she wins and she gets two hundred seventy thousand dollars and she remember knows money and so she starts investing and pretty quickly after that her father also dies and her father's estate is a little bit bigger. 20:29 and so her father leaves her a million dollars in a trust and she's really mad that it's in a trust because she doesn't have control over it, and so she spends years in a legal battle trying to figure out how she million dollars in what year this would have been eighteen sixty five, so a lot of money. I mean let's see eighteen sixty five one million dollars, nineteen point three million today. Okay, it sounds better 20:57 I mean, that's still a lot of money. You could buy Venmo and flip it for that much money by Venmo. You're pretty close seven million more dollars. Pretty close to being able to buy Venmo. Yeah, it was in mo. You know what's on your phone and they go was a phone and you go like well, it's a device that you're holding your hand. You talk to someone else who's across the world and they go you're from space and you're like I'm not from space. I can hear you're from space and you're like cowabunga brother and they're like we're going to kill you and they kill you yeah yeah exactly. So 21:27 she gets in this long legal battle trying to figure out this trust simultaneously taking the other money that she had and investing it in all the stuff. Nobody else would touch and now here's the thing. Her philosophy is quote. I buy when things are low and nobody wants them. I keep them until they go up and people go crazy about them. That is, I believe the secret of all successful business. This is eighteen sixty and so this is when 21:54 now that's kind of like you hear people say stuff like that by low so high like that's the story of the stock market. It's a story of crypto, but in this day and age, people weren't thinking by low so high. They were like by like stuff that looks like it's going to be a good base, like by good business and then it goes up yeah. This wasn't a concept and so she almost gaming it yet. Yes, yes, and so she was investing the interest from her father's trust fund because she couldn't get 22:22 all that million dollars. She genuinely believed she's like if you give me the whole million, I'll make so much money off this yeah and they're like now you can just get the interest out of it. You just get the little this little piece and now it's more like the industry yeah. That's the interest. Yes, you speak it used to be off. It used to be all four figures and I was just one of the figures. Thank you for my high yield savings account high yield more like 22:47 a little little bit of yield like a little bit of little bit of some yields. Thank you so little bit. So it's a really good joke. It's a panic at okay great. Oh my gosh worry about how you're going to provide for your child all the time. It's like all I think about 23:14 okay, so civil. She invested in civil war, but I've been worried for you since you told me about this kid yeah. Me too. I've been worried since before I told you about this kid. I've been worried since before you were worried about me telling you about what you were worried so she is investing this trust fund interest in civil war bonds, okay, which paid high yield and gold. 23:39 high yield does when high yield meant this not this all right. We've established this. If you're listening doesn't make sense, we got our toes out and then put your toes away. 23:59 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tillon topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 24:25 I like 24:51 so her profits. She moved to London. She's running this civil war bond game after one year in London. Her profit was one point two million dollars in that day's money, so twenty million dollars yeah, and so she had a single day that year or she made two hundred thousand dollars in what is this eighteen sixty something yeah bonkers returns that she's she's making and so she's day trading. 25:23 kind of day trading wasn't really possible. I guess in that day, because like there wasn't like that like online like you couldn't yeah, she's probably doing what's the eighteen sixty equivalent of day trading week trading. Yeah, I guess we trading and so she's it's blowing up and then the the she bought green back dollars during the civil war, which were the 25:50 they were these dollars that they printed during the Civil War. There was a paper currency that was just for the emergency of the Civil War to have more cash flowing around because we weren't printing dollars. All the dollars were gold backed during that day and so they they needed more money. They didn't have more money. They're like we're going to make up some money for the war, so that we have some money to use and so they were less valuable than US dollars right and so she bought she's like oh perfect and she bought a ton of these green back dollars and then 26:18 In eighteen seventy five, Congress passed legislation backing the green back dollars with gold, and this was basically an idea to pay back civil war veterans because they had a bunch of these green back dollars and so they could trade for gold. She happened to have tons of the green back dollars, and so this ballooned her wealth okay, and overnight it became a sort of thing where now all of a sudden she was someone in Wall Street who was the number one lender in Wall Street because she had the most cash like liquid cash. 26:48 because she was incredibly cheap. She would not buy anything right. She lived in hotels. She had one outfit and she would wear it until it fell apart and then she would go by that out that same outfit again, which might be why she learned the nickname, which of Wall Street, because it was a witty outfit like a crazy person. It's a witchy outfit. Yeah, it was like this 27:11 big black gown and like she had the hat, a hat, the hat, a broom walking around being like making money. 27:29 and so she she marries a guy. Oh, this guy's name is Edward, Edward, Snowden 27:42 What's his actual name? That's a bit funny. If you said scissor hands, you idiot, Edward Robinson, and so Edward Robinson was another businessman. He was fairly wealthy, not as wealthy as her, but he was a fairly wealthy guy. He made some, but I thought wasn't her dad's last name Robinson. No her dad's last name is green. You messed that up at the beginning then, because you did. I say Robinson, I said Robeson. I think 28:10 I'm yeah. I'm confused here. I don't know. We'll call him Edward. It's fine. Who cares Eddie and Hedy Eddie, so he makes a bad investment and he she leaves him over it. She's like you lost us a lot of money, and so she leaves him over it. He he stays in London. She goes back to New York and she lives in New York full time and they they have children at this point yeah and that her. I believe they named their child after him. I think this is why this is so complicated, because her dad's names that word 28:40 her husband's names Edward and I think she named her son Edward. I think there's three Edward. Did I not say Edward? What did I say her dad's name was her grandpa's name is Gideon? Yeah, wasn't her dad's name Edward. I am so lot. I am getting lost in my own web right now. I have no idea what you're talking about. Her dad's name was Talisman. Our dad was that when your gas lighting me. I hate that I fell for the 29:12 So it was eighteen eighty five. Edward was a partner at a bank called John J. Cisco and son this bank. Heady had five hundred thousand and invested in it, which was a quarter of the bank's assets. Edward her husband, who was the partner, he had seven hundred thousand and debt tied up in the bank, and so when that debt defaulted, they couldn't pay for that and 29:37 heady was enraged because she had twenty six million in stocks, bonds and mortgages that she could have liquidated and saved the company, but the bank million yes, but the bank refused to allow her to transfer it, and so when this happened, the company fell apart and so that's when her and her relationship with Edward fell apart because he didn't disclose her that he had seven hundred thousand dollars in debt and seven hundred thousand dollars in debt is nothing to her 30:03 well, it's nothing to her, but in eighteen sixties is also millions of dollars today yeah, but it's also like that. We could have just handled that debt. Oh, it's true yeah. If he was if he was open with it like she would been like yeah, I could have we saw this over night yeah yes, because she also doesn't spend money right, and so she's famous for that. Actually, I'm a mess of this. She's famous for not spending money consistently. She in so many situations where it would have been so easy. 30:31 for her to solve a problem by spending money. She's just like your stereotypical super cheap rich person. Yeah, her son got gangrene and almost lost his foot because she refused to take him to a good doctor. She was she like she was shopping around the cheapest doctor and so he was getting bad medical care and he got gangrene almost lost his foot. It was a you're how much you charge eight chickens. I'm going to go find a doctor that charges me seven well he's actively losing a lake 31:00 she's like don't worry. I'm going to give you some of my blood and then there was a there's another situation where she was in a negotiation and it was a negotiation where it was like she would have been out a few grand like it wasn't like like she had so much money. This was not worth the the problem and the hassle of this negotiation, but she was so serious about it that she pulled a gun on the guy and the negotiation and she's like this is the rate that we're going with and the guys like okay. 31:26 we're going to go at that rate. Sorry, sorry, I was I questioned you over just a few grand when she has millions, literally millions in the bank, and so she's I mean the which of Wall Street maybe makes sense. She's kind of a psychopath sure she also smelled bad. A lot of people said she spelled. Here's the thing. Here's the thing about her though we need. We do need to also recognize it's the late eighteen hundreds. Yeah, people are very misogynistic. There's a woman on Wall Street who's running the show like 31:55 she is where all the money smells yeah, and so it's like it's like we're not totally sure how many of these stories are true yeah about her. She had warts on her face yeah, and he was ugly. I wouldn't kiss her I yeah. It sounds like even crusher. I hate her and so the panic of nine hundred and seven came along. 32:17 Yeah, and so this is years down. There's nothing new in the market. The panic in 1907 was just people woke up and they were like we're gonna have a kid in May, right and they freaking freaked out. You know saying that does that to people, some people, not everyone, but some people really get really freaked out when their kids do soon yeah, and so she's she she paid for some markets out a lot yeah, just some people, just some people. I love that we brought up that you're going to be a dad, so that way we can just really I can make no yeah you're is 32:46 It's I've been I love the way it's going. This this thing you're doing is awesome, so Jaron in 1904 she's watching the trends. Hey, what about the full house you watch full house? Yeah, what about it? What they call Jesse? Is Jesse Uncle Jesse? What they call Joey Uncle Joy? They're all there, but they were related. Joey was not related. Is Uncle Joey actually Uncle 33:16 there's a Mandela effect about him. Oh, the Mandela effect is that everyone thought that he was actually the uncle and was actually related, but this the screen rent article is like they just call them Uncle Joey. He was just their friend, so they weren't actually related. It's not a Mandela effect that was just in this situation. See, so it's a Mandela effect. You can't be mad at me in a Mandela effect. It's a Mongolia effect 33:44 Oh my gosh, okay, so here we go in nine to four. She's watching the and nine to four. She's watching the trends in the market and she sees something's coming and so she liquidates a foot. She liquidates all her positions into cash and she waits for the panic. The panic comes around and she swoops in and she buys everything when it's low and she saves J Pierpont Morgan of like JP Morgan Chase like that. 34:13 that JP Morgan she saves his butt and if it wasn't for him, he would have gone under during her yeah, I got under yeah. He would have gone under because she had the cash to float him yeah. The amount of money she made during the panic of 1907 is staggering because she had so much cash. She was able to one save a lot of people's butts and load a lot of money and make a ton of money off the interest, but also buy stuff when it was insanely low, but I do now seven 34:43 and so she bought super low during that and over the next. I don't know what this comes out to nine years. It she grew her wealth, so in 1916 she died at the age of eighty one and at the time of her death, then most people think because of her actions and the panning of an I to seven her net worth was somewhere around the ballpark of two hundred million dollars in 1916, so adjusted for inflation. 35:13 it's somewhere in the ballpark of five point four billion dollars was the net worth that she had accumulated as a woman in 1916, which is bonkers and there's a lot of very, very influential businessmen yeah who she funded like she started a lot of empires and it's all because of the money she had. She was also very what's the word philanthropic? She gave to a ton different 35:43 churches and non profits and sure that she set up all these trusts upon her death. She gave her two kids a lot of money and they blew it all that her daughter tried to be an investor. She wasn't good at it. She blew it all investing her son blew it all gambling so I did not last, which is a sandwich. He did come up with the sandwich and so heady green. She has a pretty rough reputation, but I don't think it's real 36:13 Okay, it's that's actually a good point yeah yeah yeah yeah she has so she was like the richest woman of the nineteen early nineteen hundreds probably right might have been the richest woman of the entire twentieth and maybe nineteenth century. I don't know if that's true happy women's month yeah it's this episode is for you ladies yeah. If you succeed, we everyone's just going to call you a way love propping up women. We love cheering you on. You know some of the other podcast they want to tear you down. 36:41 they want to come on here. They want to talk about how men need to step up and take over and all this stuff. We were highlighting women's stories this month, but don't forget she never would have been anything of her dad and her grandpa didn't in a and we're going to point out that we're doing it and we want to make sure you know anyways. We're two white dudes with a podcast to white guys with a podcast. That should be like the little jingle at the end. You know yeah 37:11 yeah, but that's actually that's pretty crazy. That is a good thing to point out like that. Maybe that's our reputation wasn't yeah. There's a lot of stories we have from a life that are like is that true? We don't know for sure it's what's written down, but most likely a lot of it's fine made up to make her look bad. You know, did she smell? I don't know. Did she only wear one outfit? I don't know. Did she shoot that guy? I don't know their dad only speak whale 37:37 I don't know. If you can like caption his but fiddle off on that, that would be great. 37:49 Hey, if you like this episode, you might like Ida Wood. She was another wealthy woman who said, you know what? I'm going to spend none of this. So if you're frugal, you might like her too. That's either would go check that episode out. 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In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, one woman defied expectations and became one of the wealthiest individuals in the United States. Her name was Hetty Green, but history remembers her by a different title—the Witch of Wall Street. Known for her sharp financial mind, frugality, and ability to turn risky investments into massive gains, she left a lasting … Read More

Can Science Make You Immortal? Maybe, if You’re Rich… | Bryan Johnson Ep 261

02-18-25

Episode Transcription

00:00 you've probably seen this guy trying to live forever by the craziest thing he's doing is he's trading blood with his son to make him younger. This week we're talking about Brian Johnson and all the tactics he's doing to use himself as a lab rat to figure out what human health could look like at its peak. I like him. I think he looks weird. This is a comedy podcast, so if you're interested in the topic and you're just finding us because of that, just so you know we're going to learn about the stuff we're going to talk about the stuff we joke around the whole time. So if that makes you angry 00:27 I like and subscribe and comment because we love that stuff it's February eighteenth. Yes, it is my birthday is this weekend, so I'm so excited to be thirty one to be established in my thirties. 00:40 and because thirty feels like all you just turned it. You just got here. Thirty one is like I really it's all down here. I'm not going to die though according to Brian Johnson. Next week in February twenty eighth, March first and March second, I am in the Chicago area. I'm in like Egan, Aurora, Colorado, are there another place that I'm sure you can find a not a rock Colorado, Aurora, sorry yeah, Egan, Aurora, somewhere else in the Chicago area. 01:09 and and I it's on my website somewhere jaron meyers dot com slash shows. Please come to shows. I'd love to see you there. Let the laugh in person. That's the whole reason we do this. I swear. I swear if I if you send me a message and you're like I don't even know you were in my area, that's fully your fault at this point. Okay, I got. I've told you six times. Yep, don't die. 01:32 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Brian Johnson? 01:40 I don't want to talk about that freaky gecko 01:50 I call it a freaky guy. That guy looks like a cave salamander. You know I'm talking about those ones that never see the sun, those caves and he's always wet. Why is he always wet dude? Why is he always just is that the secret to live into a hundred and twenty is just never dry freaky get 02:11 Yeah, that's his phrase dude, never dry, never die. This guy's going to live forever dude. He's always freaking wet and slimy and weird every single time. I see this guy on social media. He takes a year from my life and he adds it to his. I hate this guy. He got go is the craziest thing I've ever 02:33 I don't want to talk about him so I don't want to talk about how accurate it is, unless you're pivoting and talking about Bethel's I would also accept. Now it's actually honestly oddly familiar story. Okay, are we talking about the guy? Yes, yeah, he here's the thing. Have you watched his documentary yet? I refuse to look at him. He does look like a freaky 03:03 I know, I care. 03:09 oh okay, so and Brian Johnson, if you don't know, you probably have seen him somewhere. Yeah, maybe we can throw a I don't know. He's still alive, but the time is recording. That's the whole thing. This guy's trying to live to two hundred right. That's his goal. Well, he's trying not to die. He don't want to die at all. He doesn't want to die at all, but like which honestly super cool thing like don't die. Just being on all your merge is pretty sick. It's hard, but 03:39 I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I was like you. I saw Brian Johnson and I was like this white gecko is so weird and after research, after researching him, I might be a Brian Johnson fan. 03:54 but let me wait to see how this I was like. I mean, we released an episode about Elon Musk and the episode opens with hey guys, we're talking about really cool guy, Elon Musk. That's what Tim Stone, Timothy Stone, father of this child that doesn't exist yet. That's what Tim Stone said about Elon Musk. I was going to say I got to be cautious here. The cool guy, I got a cool guy, love him, 04:18 I got to be conscious here because so many of us, a pale white guy who looks wet all the time that is true. He does look wet, but he's not like a gecko. He's like because he's got that weird stomach thing yeah. He's like a koala or some no no he looks like a like a naked mole rat for actually accurate. No, here's a thing, but I like a real one. He looks like the animated naked mole rat from Kim possible. 04:41 like most people in twenty eighteen that is accurate. That is really a put that next to an image as robert to put that next to him. That's get is accurate. All right, let's talk about your new your new guy. Okay, first of all, he's not my new for this guy to destroy democracy in six years. He could there's honestly there's a lot honestly he's more invested in democracy lasting because he's going to live forever. That is true. 05:06 it behooves him for this not to here at what age though? Let's say this guy pulls this off right. Let's say Brian Johnson pulls it off and he starts living forever yeah. At what age do we just make him king? You know there does come a point where you just like you still here three hundred yeah. If you're still alive like well, you saw you saw civil war war to civil world war to like that you just put them all together civil world war to yeah. 05:34 civil world, gold war to so right john war to vietnum. It's just not so a world war. Civil World War, knob to what's the dom honestly it just makes any war so cooler when you skull it now so bry Johnson. He was born in seventy seven and can you guess 06:01 Born in Connecticut, no Provo, Utah, see a born and raised Mormon graduated Brigham University. That's interesting yeah grew up, grew up more. We have so much money. Do you much money the Mormons have lots real though? I that it's like for yeah yeah and we love the Mormons by the way listen. There's okay, so we did this bit, not this bit. We made fun of the Bigfoot thing and it's not like Mormons teach that in the church. 06:31 that's just a call. That's like the same way the Christians are like Ken hams a real scientist. You know it's all it's all fun and made fun of yeah yeah yeah yeah but like genuinely the tour I did in Utah was really, really fun and I learned a lot about them as a people, but the things I learned the most was that they just have all the money in the world. They do because they own like Marriott hotels they own. What's all the stuff that the LDS Church owns? 06:57 a lot of stuff. I mean they they have a giant stock. They on the they own to the only NFL. I don't know what you can say. Whatever you want right now, your good podcast. You can say whatever you want. Here's the thing about a lot of people don't know about pretty sure. I was actually brisk young from Roger Goodell is able. They reincarnated them to run the NFL anyway. Yeah, no, yeah, I'm Provo 07:26 He grew up in Provo, grew up Mormon, went to Brigham Young University, and he was your stereotypical entrepreneur. He's in college and he starts a little cell phone company. He hires a couple other students to sell service plans and cell phones. He's making three hundred dollars a phone that they sell. I don't know if he was like subcontracted with someone, and he's got like this little group that's going out and selling all this stuff. He later founded a couple other businesses, one that kind of was like a proto Skype sort of situation. 07:55 it's like a little software company that shut down in two thousand one. So it was like early like early video call situation and then he had a real estate project in two thousand one. It's crazy. I mean I know we've with people have joked about it and stuff already, but the way that Skype fumbled twenty twenty unreal unreal, why I remember I remember being in college twenty fourteen twenty thirteen yeah and like doing video calls and that 08:23 like that's a known you already had it was huge. You already had the hook. Yeah shout out to zoom though, because honestly, genuinely look, we love zoom, but honestly we hate zoom because it was objectively worse than skype and facetime and google meet and we all were like yeah. We should all be using zoom. I don't know how they pulled that off. I genuinely this day. We do you google meet for all of our stuff yeah. 08:49 but they they just because came out of no way able to attach the Google Calendar. You're able to send out the emails, same links. You can use all the emojis and if you use code tillin you can it's just wild to me that they came out at no one knew what zoom was yeah before March twenty and then all of a sudden it was like the biggest dog in the game and I know I don't know how they pulled it off. It's crazy. I should figure it out anyways, so and then he started a real estate venture that didn't work out. So he had a few businesses that 09:19 I shouldn't say didn't work out. We're moderately successful, but didn't last and then in what's his money from though, because he's like rich yeah. We'll get to that. Well, actually we'll get to it right now. So in two thousand and seventy started a company called Brain Tree and the company well just before this. I should back up a little bit. There's a story before this. He's he's in between ventures. He's kind of starting up random little startups here and there, 09:46 but they're not making money. He's trying to get the startup off the ground. It's not making any money, so then he goes and he's like almost in panic mode where he's like I can't survive off what's happening right now. I'm losing money in my startup, so he's like I need to get a part time job. Yeah, so instead of going and looking for a normal part time job, he goes and he looks up the fifty wealthiest people in his area and he emails their assistants and he's like he's like hey, I'm looking for a part time job. Does do you guys need anything? Everyone ignored him. No one responded to any of his emails. 10:16 so then he started going around trying to find, because that's not how you reach out to rich people. You know what gets pretty attention writing it in blood on our drive. You know what gets rich people's attention kidnapping the closest person to them in their life honestly though, and then they'll talk. This is actual advice. All right, you're looking for a job. You're like how do I get ahead hustle grind, kidnap the CEO's child, yeah yeah right and and make them have a video where they're like 10:44 he give you a job. That's the rope in their mouth. The real yeah. You've got to get to a job. You got to give this guy a job. Alex is typing it as if we're going to cut this out and I want to make sure that you know we're not. I asked this guy about his work experience and it checks out. I also called all his references and he's really solid. We should hire him. It says that he's proficient in Microsoft office. He can write. He can use Excel 11:10 And he has a he has a VA for Rickham Young University. He has a 74 day streak on Duolingo. 11:23 which shows his consistency and commitment to becoming bilingual. In his previous role he managed to T-O-20 to achieve all their KPIs. 11:42 Hehehehehe 11:46 He has a leadership degree from James River Leadership College. 11:55 and those are just allegations. No pay attention to. I don't think we should have any attention to the raceless allegations from all to whole women. 12:19 yikes. You know what sure he stole all the money from everyone in his town, but when Jesus came to his house for lunch, he gave it all back. 12:38 hires a key is today. He gave it all back, gave it all back after Jesus came to his house and showed it. Jesus is the ghost of Christmas future. Jesus came to his house and showed what the future was like, and he was like I got to be there for that, and that's why he's trying to live forever yeah, so he couldn't find a 13:01 like any like jobs working for wealthy people. So then he started he widened his scope and started looking for other like for poor people. He's like he resound and the fifty as well is for his people. Hey, you guys need any work done. What could you pay? Yeah, do you need any work done? That's to the wealthiest person and then he sent an email to the assistant was like. What about you? Yeah, do you need anywhere? Sorry, this isn't for the boss guy. This is for you for you personally hold close all 13:31 like I'll take out your trash yeah yeah, so he found he finds a company that was a payment processing company like a credit card processor for stores and he got his door to door sales job and essentially and the commission was really good. It was a hundred percent of sales for the first month and so it's a really good commission and it was just month yeah you go on then yeah. So you got a hustle and so he was like he's like I just went door to door to different stores, try to get a minute of the owner's time to convince them to switch to our credit card processor. 14:00 and he said it was tough because I realized really quickly that every single person that had worked with one of these credit card processors had a bad negative association with them because they were all kind of grifters. They were they were taking it wasn't a fair arrangement. They were taking a percentage off the top and it was bad customer support, bad engagement, and it was always a negative experience. And so the second they found out who I was, they didn't want to hear anything from me like they were kind of over it and it was a pain to switch and all that stuff. And so he created a pitch where 14:29 he came in, he dropped a hundred dollars on the table and he's like he's like hey, I'll give you this hundred dollars. If you don't want to work with me, just listen to my pitch and then if you say you don't want to work with me, then I'll give you a hundred dollars and people like okay, I'll hear what you have to say and then they always were like no, we don't want to work with you. Give me that hundred dollars. Yeah, no, basically he just laid it all out and was like here's what the problems everyone has. Here's why we're better and he said and nobody ever took a hundred dollars for me 14:58 and he said I started closing all these deals and in that process he started realizing imagine some. I'll tell you what right now I would take the hundred dollars just to spite this kid, because it's some arrogant twenty two year old coming to me like I you a hundred dollars. We got listen my pitch and if you decide not to work with me, you can keep the hundred dollars and then when he's talking, I would just in my head be like la la la la la la. Do you think I can zone out for a hundred dollars 15:27 Come on man. 15:31 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, They get ad free episodes a week early. 15:43 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough Patreon supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:15 doesn't matter what you're selling me. You could be selling me the secret to a turn of life. You could straight up take the hundred on a hundred dollars. I want you to lose a hundred dollars and then you know what if I did like the product, I would have my wife call you the next day yeah and then make an order yeah. I'll take an order of your eternal life. Please a hundred dollars make that to what need turn off. I'd like to life sentences please 16:41 and so he's going door to door and he's doing this part time. He's still building a start to start up on the side. After three months, he becomes the best best selling employee in the company and he does the math and he realizes for this company he's making sixty two thousand five hundred dollars a month is what they're pulling in yeah, and so he's like why am I not just doing this and so he shuts down his other job and he starts brain tree in two thousand and seven, which is a payment processing company, 17:10 and it was going to be an online payment processing company. Sure. And so this was already, PayPal already existed. PayPal actually already was acquired by eBay. And so like this is like pretty late in the game. Authorize.net is out there. Like there's a bunch of payment processors out there that are doing it. But at this point, there hadn't really been any innovation since like the late 90s. Like they're still doing exactly what they had always been doing. Sure. And the models weren't great. They weren't great for businesses. And there wasn't a lot of... 17:37 like most developers did not like working with any of these payment processes, so he wanted to make a processor. That was something that developers would like to work with. Yeah, he did just that and grew this company to where it was a pretty successful payment processing company and then they started going out and what he focused on is he focused on all the Silicon Valley companies. He's like we want to be your payment processor and so all the startups he they got uber they got 18:07 Door dash, they were getting all these like companies that were early in their life, start up apps that were going to grow and be really big. He was going and getting him while they were still start up, so he's like they're going to blow up some of these, and so he would just get all of the start ups to use his product. Okay, was a strategy and so because some of them blew up, they ended up being highly valuable. Well, then in twenty twelve, so really quickly five years into the business, they've grown to the point where they're a multi million dollar business. Yeah, 18:35 and then he spots this startup in Silicon Valley that is kind of taking payment processing and giving it to the user, which was Venmo, and so he buys it for twenty six million dollars. A year later, he puts he does a sale Venmo and Braintree together to PayPal for eight hundred million. One year later flipped pretty much flip Venmo. It wasn't Braintree, it was Venmo. He flipped Venmo from twenty six million to eight hundred million dollars in one year. 19:06 Um 19:10 just got to get twenty six million dollars. All we need. All I need is twenty six million dollars and the next Venmo and then the next PayPal to sell the next Venmo to that PayPal for eight hundred million dollars and then I'd be set if I could just do that. 19:31 Or you can join us on patreon 19:38 where we would make a grand total of $5 a month. 19:43 please help support the show. Tim has a kid on the way 19:54 and so he's running this business yeah and it is it's taking its toll on him. Sure he is your stereotypical silicon valley like business startup guy who's working fast yeah eighteen hours a day, getting no sleep, showing up at the office feeling dead, but feeling like there's so much work to do depressed very he's very outspoken about how depressed he was during this time. I'll say right now I have zero sympathy for people who have a her million dollars in the press. Well, first of all he doesn't have this was while he was 20:24 building brain tree, so the five years while he was building it, he was tanking and he was in a very dark place actively thinking about ending his own life and everything was kind of falling down around him. He walked away from his faith during this period and because of him choosing to walk away from his faith, my way from his community yeah. He walked away from his entire community, his wife and kids left because 20:52 they couldn't be together anymore because of that decision and he that's why he's trying to live forever. He doesn't want to face God feels guilty. He's like I never want to see that guy the change. Hold on. I need to show you a picture of him from this era. Have you ever seen his before? No, it is kind of unreal to see what he used to look like. Okay, so here he is when he was running 21:22 brain tree. Isn't that crazy? And so he was very unhealthy. He talked about how he never slept, he never exercised. All he did every day was work. He was depressed. He was in a very bad mental state and he just ate whatever was quickest and easiest to eat, and so he was eaten poorly. He was very unhealthy. He felt terrible and so he finished. He sells PayPal and now he's got enough money to do whatever he wants with his time, and so he says, okay, I want to do something like a lot of these 21:52 billionaire types do changes the war. Yes, yeah exactly, and so he spent some time trying to think about what that's going to be and then he everyone wants to change the world. All right, maybe just shut up maybe take that wealth you've accumulated, try to spread that around a little bit. Maybe you could change the world by changing some people's world. You know, I say I could change the world for one 22:21 yeah you could give me you can support us on patreon twenty six million dollars, and I bet you could then sell me in a couple years, but you could let me for eight hundred million dollars. 22:35 so he spends a couple years getting healthy. He's like he's like I don't have to work this many hours anymore, and so he gets a personal trainer. He starts eating better. I still have a wife and kids yeah, so I got plenty of time to do nothing. He starts another company. He starts another company that does all right. It's like one of those what do you call it like brain, computer interfaces companies. Oh, it starts that that goes all right. 23:05 and then I think he sold it in twenty twenty, not for anywhere near. I mean still a ton of money like fifty million, I think, but not anywhere near what the last one was, and so in twenty now he's healthy at this point and in twenty twenty one. He was like I am getting healthy and there's all this science coming out about anti aging stuff and it's happening for rats and stuff and he's like. I wonder if it could happen for me and stuff 23:35 and so all this stuff yeah man, there's a lot of stuff about mice and stuff. I'm wondering maybe it could happen for me and stuff yeah, so I hired a documentary crew and stuff. Yeah, so what he did well, he didn't even hire the documentary crew. What he did so his eldest son decided is that he wanted to come live with him instead he's like he's like you know. I'm not so sure about the Mormon Church either 24:02 and I kind of miss my dad. I'm going to go live with him. I kind of miss living with a billionaire mom's pretty poor, pretty poor only all miss is 24:13 The nanny. 24:18 Boo! 24:20 to be real has gotten pretty ripped with the past couple years. She's a little overweight and now she's like she's like so direct yeah. She used to talk about how sad she was, but now she's like I never want to die. So imagine that your Mrs Dow firing your kids and the only thing you talk about is how sad you are. I'm so sad all the time 24:48 that's really sucks. Mrs Doubtfire is it so it's very hard to be me and then like a couple of years later friggin miss down. I was like just getting the reps in early every day. What's up? I'm better. I'm never going to die. I'm never going to use to wish I die. No, I never could have died. Look yourself in the everything. Don't die, don't die, don't 25:16 die. These are my positive affirmations death lose and so so what he does is he starts working on what he calls project blueprint, and so it's the blueprint to a healthy life yeah. Okay, so it's like three phases or I think he calls on protocols. Here's the three elements of my live forever blueprint. Yeah, what are they map it out for me? 25:43 I thought what you think three elements of a lift for a blue abundance, mindset, there you go good start. No, so it starts with the first protocol is what we would typically think of. It's like stop eating such garbage, don't die, don't eat a bunch of garbage or first first step is to don't do anything dangerous. Yeah, don't do something that might kill you. No first step was was get rid of all like the trans fats in your diet and like just have a haven what we would call a normal healthy diet and then also start 26:10 exercising and working on your fitness. That's step one super normal. All of us can get behind that step to is like vitamins and supplements, and so there's a bunch of vitamins and supplements of vitamin and supplement routine to get into again a little intense, but also not crazy. You know pretty not easy. He says he looked me in the eye and step three is where things get insane. Yeah, set three is where 26:40 he has like the wake up at four a.m. and turn on a sun lamp in your face and get like five minutes of sun right in your face. I think he said eight thirty if I remember right every night, so he's like eight thirty every night up at four. He tracks his sleep and it's really interesting in the documentary. He's like this my first week where I hit a hundred percent of my sleep goals is like he's like I slept is the first we grab it a hundred percent of my sleep goals. If someone says to you they have sleep goals, 27:15 No one here's what I was saying. People who have sleep goals don't have a counselor. Yeah, that's true. Well, he does actually and that's part of it. Mental health is part of living forever. Have sleep goals, don't have a counselor who's telling them the truth. So he that's pretty fair and then and then in there you so you have some hokey stuff like like the get the sun in your eyes for like five minutes when you first wake up. So hokey I do it every day 27:43 and then and then you've got some some pretty extreme things like blood transfer. I don't wake up till seven when the sun's up. 27:52 yeah, but that Brian yeah. If you wake up a Brian, you idiot yeah, wake up and why are you actual son sleep until the little one is up sleep a little more and get some actual son, but yeah and then this step three is where it's like he has specific times of the day where he's supposed to eat and then like the meals are prepped and plan for him to eat those meals. He's got like ninety supplements he's taken in the morning, and he's also got like a chef that makes all the stuff for you know. He's got the ability to pay for all of this yeah 28:21 but everything in his life at step three, everything, everything and anyone who's doing this at step three. Everything in your life is an algorithm your when you're going to bed when you're waking up when you're working out what workouts you're doing, what you're eating, every single thing comes down to an algorithm where you're putting in all the data of your BMI and the diet you're eating and the workouts you're doing and it's spitting out what you think is a result. That's 28:47 interesting. I do know, so I do know he has an assist with two trainers. I do know he has an assistant who's kind of like running his life. Yeah, what I what else I know is he does have a longevity expert, and so this is a PhD scientist who appears to live somewhere else, like in the UK or something sure, and he does video consultants with consultations with him, and he's like helping coach him through longevity, and this is a real scientist, and it's very interesting watching him talk because he's like brian is the best guinea pig. 29:16 and so he's looking he's like I'm just running science experiments on him because he's open to it and there's no other human you can run this sort of experiments on great, so he's just like all the stuff that we've been doing typically like mice like I get to do on translucent and then I think in another couple months he'll start glowing in the dark is what I'm hoping. Well, here's where here's where the scandal of him came out and why he got famous because there was an experiment that was conducted where there was an old mouse and 29:44 the mice, the mouse's child blood transfusion. Yeah they what they did. This is crazy what they did to the mice. I don't know where they did this, but they couldn't have done it here. I don't think this would have been legal in the states. They literally just connected their their veins together, their arteries together, so they would be like one organism and the blood would circulate between the two of them and having that blood circulate into the elder reverse a lot of the effects on aging of the or internal organs of the elder mouse. 30:14 and so he heard about that and he was like oh, that's interesting. That's great. I've got a child. Well, actually it wasn't as that it this is not that you can go live with your dad, but if you do, you have to give him your blood. That makes us have to say because what actually happened was so his dad. 30:39 that makes it sound insane, unlike reality. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what happened. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 31:05 and so he called his dad and was like hey. I want to do this for you. He's saying I want to give you my this Christmas. You're getting a pint of blood, you open the it's a rat, a stop. Let's get out of that yeah. 31:26 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 31:54 you know out there out of date. 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If your name is freaking also it's a yeah, but the fact that you're an or heart and you and tal mids, but it's like oh yeah, my mom, jennifer and my dad brian they named me down tal midge, so tab it comes to brian when he finds out that this is my brother draenor is doing this for my sister varoc 33:26 Verac is the same so bright ones. Now so Tomage, Tomage, what is very look at Alex like he was one of us. He was it is that Rinscape is that all Rinscape stuff yeah nice. Okay, so the only Rinscape thing I remember never mind our dog talisman, so Talmage comes to Brian and Brian's like he's like he's like he's like Brian Dad. I love what you're doing for grandpa and then he's like I want to do the same thing for you, so what they do is they plan this trip. I think was to Miami 33:54 they do this whole trip to Miami and they do the love we're doing for your dad, please take my blood. 34:05 they hold on. I nearly find this picture. They do a photo shoot when they go and the photo shoot that they do is the one with our shirtless and they're like yeah look yeah yeah yeah well they're they're wearing. I mean I guess they also took shirtless photos. They went to a golf course and they took the photos together yeah and it's weird saying it's also like here's the thing look at the dad and this right. 34:33 okay. The dad didn't want to do this. No he did because he's knows he's getting healthy. He didn't want to do a photo shoot. What I'm saying the dad is like, but if your kid who's worth eight her million dollars, it's like I'm going to give you a pint of my blood, but you're like these like you're like. I don't know. I want that and your kid is like well. Do you want to keep living in the nursing home? We're living in or do you want to move into this crappy one? Yeah, well, I guess I'll keep doing this. I guess I'll do the weird photo shoot 35:02 So yeah, they do the photo shoot and then they do the blood transfusion and they've been doing this for years. I believe just transferring their blood to each other and I know it sounds insane, but it's an interesting thing because it's not hard to donate some of your blood to one of your family members who's sick and it is something that it does actually help them and so I don't know. This sounds insane. It sounds crazy. 35:28 and for for Talmage to Brian is weird because Brian doesn't need it for Brian to his dad. It's like that's really like it's like giving a kidney to someone you know it's like that. Maybe not like giving a kidney, because that's like a bigger thing, but it's like you're you're sacrificing something of yours to help someone else. What you're about to you're about to shoot me down. What are you going to say? I'm listening to you. I think it's a kind thing to do to because essentially it's like it's a plasma donation. You're donating plasma sure to your father, so that way he can be healthier. 35:57 and I don't think there's. I don't think that's a weird thing. Everyone acts like it's such a weird thing. I don't think that's that weird of a thing. It's just weird because blood sure and people are weirded out by blood yeah and it's weird because I took the pictures. I don't think my dad a kidney. I'm not going to be like all right, but before we do that, let's do that lady who took my senior pictures. 36:20 where's Molly? Can Molly go take a picture? Once we get them out, let's get both our kidneys out and let's take up the stick. Let's take a photo shoot of a motion of a me handing you a kidney and let's get one where you're like throwing your kid. Don't worry is a real kidney. It's just a piece of raw chicken with some ketchup on it and we're like I give me I've given up my kidney, then we put the raw chicken in by mistake. 36:49 they hooked it up and then we find out. Then we find out that really that's what it was all along that actually work in is just wait. You can replace all of your organs with chicken, brith, the rock, they need all take the half chicken, please I'm going to run to Costco real quick. I'm going to buy frozen chicken breast, get myself some lungs and then when I'm in live, I'll be like I'm going to live forever. He's got having a party 37:18 something like that, putting all these inside me, but all that's why people typically they eat them right. That's our side surgically surgically placing these inside myself. Take everything out and put in some chicken. Make sure you take the bones out though. Okay, got a deep on that chicken before you all right in my chest. I hate this. No, I think it's kind of a beautiful thing. 37:48 that's fine. You get it. Go ahead and move on with the story that they're doing blood transfusions or that's right. Okay, what was this? What was the findings of it though? Did it work? I actually don't know. I have no idea okay. I mean yeah, I have no idea. They're still doing it, so I'm assuming there's been some sort of often they do it. I don't know how often they do it. I don't I you're saying that's weird. It's not every morning. No, it's not every morning. It's like maybe once a year okay, but 38:14 he does have he does have a group of people of doctors and different people who are coming in and they are doing sure different sorts of procedures on him almost daily. The majority of what they're doing, though, is test to see where he's at on a bunch of different metrics right or he's at zero percent body fat. He is genuinely yoked like absolutely yoked, but he does also look sick at the same time. He looks like he doesn't look good, but he's also ripped and he's like 38:44 very, very fit. He's doing incredible workouts like difficult workouts and he seems to be in a good spot. There's a video of him now with like a fitness influencer and he's showing him what he usually does for like dinner and like here's here's my typical dinner and the fitness and influencer is like. Are you hungry when he sees it and he's like always starving on so hungry, don't ask if I go to point five body percent, then my son shoots me 39:14 you said shoots like it's happened. Yeah, he's done it. He's done it. What's interesting is he's now building a community of people. It's the don't die community and great and so the community are people who are similar to him, like trying to make a lot of these changes to their life to be healthier people and and it's interesting because when you're on that first level great love this community, even the second level 39:41 little extreme. Some of that stuff's not really a proven some of that stuff's not really FDA approved little sketchy. I don't know, set the reason sane, but at the end of the day, I do think that there's something here of like traditional medicine is treatments. You're treating an existing condition. You're not doing like preventive maintenance. What he's trying to do is he's trying to help people just take better care of their bodies. 40:09 so that way they don't need to do the treatments right, and so it's like stop doing the stuff that's actively hurting you stop doing the stuff that's actively harming you do some stuff that's going to yeah you healthy like these energy drinks that we drink called X energy or these supplements that we sell called. What is really interesting is he does so he's got a YouTube channel now I should okay back the story up. He blew up after this 40:38 was did the press circuit was on every morning talk show. Everyone thought it was the craziest thing in the world. People were calling him a vampire. People were like calling him. He looks like a robot vampire yeah, or he does look like a lot of empire. Yes, I'm going to live forever yeah. I mean he's your stereotypical Silicon Valley guy too, so like he talks like that he's very like rigid. It's all everything he does. He is a system, an algorithm, anybody can do this with a well with a team of twelve doctors, four personal trainers, 41:07 private chef. He has spent millions on this and if you just get divorced and lose custody of your kids, yeah, anything's possible. Here's what he's not saying that's the message of our pod. If you get divorced and lose custody of your kids, you can do any wide open. He's not saying anyone can do it. What he's saying is he's saying I'm going to go out and try all this stuff that all the researchers are studying, but they can't get approval to do human studies. I'm going to be the human study and I'm we're going to find out what actually works. 41:36 and he's like and so he's like I'm trying everything and he's like I'm going to tell you what's working and so he's got videos on his YouTube channel now. Now his YouTube sounds got like a million and a half years and it's actually really interesting because he reviews a lot of these supplements and he actually will tell you he says okay. I take the supplement. Here's the effect it has. I recommend or I don't recommend and so a specific second supplement that may or may not have sponsors this podcast in the past. He straight up was like this is a scam. Don't use this one interesting and so like he's got like 42:04 stuff that he recommends stuff that he doesn't recommend, so it's very interesting to see like he's not just as a person who's done greens though now yeah yeah the ones that sponsored us were terrible yeah exactly and that's the thing like he will come out and he will say whether or not things legit or not and so it's, but he does like most influencers have his own links to everything and he does have sponsored content, but it does seem and I guess there's no way to know for sure, but does seem like he's only 42:33 doing these sponsorships with things that he actually uses and actually does recommend right, and now he's got this whole community and they're doing meetups now and so they're doing meetups. They're going on walks in Los Angeles. You should do one. Actually, that would be pretty great. That would be pretty funny. That'd be pretty funny if you like you like join the don't die community. Here's the thing they are actively calling themselves a cult in the documentary his dad, but it's like a life cold. Is that what they call it? They call it a life cold. Don't they no de just call it a call 43:01 his his son was like dad. You know you're kind of starting to call right and he went like that was the plan. He really liked that, so now they're like welcome to the cult yeah and so, but yeah now they've got a community of people. It started out with like the first time they did it like fifteen people showed up and now when they do it in Los Angeles like four hundred people show up for them to just like walk in the hills and then and now it's happening in Chicago and New York and 43:26 and it's happening to be around a bunch of weird people. You know, it is the reason I go on walks is to not be the weirds to not be weird. Yeah, let's not be near the weird yeah yeah, but here's the thing. What he's doing is getting a lot of people who very much seem like they probably want to be healthy. If it wasn't for him, like they wouldn't be doing these health things. They want to be conscious of what they're eating. They probably want to be like active and fit. If they didn't find this guy, 43:53 and so I do think he's doing something that's good for a lot of people, and I do think it's interesting. The idea of saying hey, most of modern medicine is how do we treat the symptoms of the condition you have and then says saying okay, how do we prevent the condition right and so he's and he's looking at a lot of honestly unhealthy behaviors we have as a culture and saying let's get rid of those unhealthy behaviors and replace them with healthy behaviors and find ways to make it like a reasonable lifestyle for him. 44:22 unreasonable lifestyle for the vast majority of us, and I think he recognizes that, but he's trying to figure out ways to make that possible. I like his mission. I do. I do like his mission is extreme one hundred percent. Is he really weird? Yes, does he look like a wet gecko? Yes, has he taken it too far? Probably did he name is Kim Talmage. Is that really weird? Yes, here's what I love. If you clip the last like twenty seconds 44:50 we could be talking about anybody in Silicon Valley, so yeah, I guess anyways also also a pastor of one of those weird churches. Also, it's this it's a very similar thing to Bert Kreischer where it's like gosh this this dude loves his kids so much. It's like hard not to like him yeah yeah. It's like it because like he's a lot of this has been 45:20 he's like I miss so much time with my kids and he's like he's like now as much I am literally connected by the veins to my child. Well, his dad too, isn't that right? Yes, yes dad. 45:41 doesn't have a body anymore. Thanks I want something else. Looks like the friggin we're, but it's the same thing with his dad, because his dad, his dad was a drunk. His dad walked out on them. His dad went to jail and so his dad wasn't present and so he's like this whole project is just really really when you think about it actually now that we're at the end of this documentary. 46:07 I apologize because I just now realize that all these efforts were just an effort to get close to my dad and my son and and it cost like I guess I could have just I could have just done that because I could have just had a conversation about how I so sorry I will do it. I just had that epiphany, but it was been five million dollars and trade blood with other people to not talk about their feelings. 46:36 now, but he was talking about your feelings. 46:41 you can do that. Our big tree on is that what you're we have a thoughts of prayer channel on our discord available for our members. If no one listens to you, you can pay for us to listen to you. That's where counselor is. If you don't have anybody to talk to, you can pay someone to listen to you. That's what counseling is. Oh my gosh yeah, so that's Brian Johnson. I guess we've said enough about him. I am cautiously a fan. I am. I'm cautiously a fan. I don't know very much about him yet, so 47:11 who knows something could change. I have been musked before and I'm willing to say I could be wrong about this all right, but so far I think it gets a lot of flag because he's he does seem weird. He is weird. We're going to start selling most of the decision don't fiddle off. I like that 47:36 Hey, if you like that episode, thanks so much for joining us for things. I learned last night. We have a bunch of other episodes you can check out, including this one about count Saint Germain, a real life vampire in the New Orleans who did live forever and he didn't have to look freaky doing it. At least we don't know that or not. You know, if you want next week's episode right now, you can join us on our membership. 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Bryan Johnson is on a mission to stop aging. He isn’t just trying to slow it down—he wants to live forever. His journey includes extreme health routines, strict diets, and even blood transfusions with his own family. Some call him a genius, while others think he’s gone too far. But one thing is clear: he is pushing the limits of … Read More