Bryan Johnson is on a mission to stop aging. He isn’t just trying to slow it down—he wants to live forever. His journey includes extreme health routines, strict diets, and even blood transfusions with his own family. Some call him a genius, while others think he’s gone too far. But one thing is clear: he is pushing the limits of … Read More
Can Science Make You Immortal? Maybe, if You’re Rich… | Bryan Johnson Ep 261
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00:00 you've probably seen this guy trying to live forever by the craziest thing he's doing is he's trading blood with his son to make him younger. This week we're talking about Brian Johnson and all the tactics he's doing to use himself as a lab rat to figure out what human health could look like at its peak. I like him. I think he looks weird. This is a comedy podcast, so if you're interested in the topic and you're just finding us because of that, just so you know we're going to learn about the stuff we're going to talk about the stuff we joke around the whole time. So if that makes you angry 00:27 I like and subscribe and comment because we love that stuff it's February eighteenth. Yes, it is my birthday is this weekend, so I'm so excited to be thirty one to be established in my thirties. 00:40 and because thirty feels like all you just turned it. You just got here. Thirty one is like I really it's all down here. I'm not going to die though according to Brian Johnson. Next week in February twenty eighth, March first and March second, I am in the Chicago area. I'm in like Egan, Aurora, Colorado, are there another place that I'm sure you can find a not a rock Colorado, Aurora, sorry yeah, Egan, Aurora, somewhere else in the Chicago area. 01:09 and and I it's on my website somewhere jaron meyers dot com slash shows. Please come to shows. I'd love to see you there. Let the laugh in person. That's the whole reason we do this. I swear. I swear if I if you send me a message and you're like I don't even know you were in my area, that's fully your fault at this point. Okay, I got. I've told you six times. Yep, don't die. 01:32 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Brian Johnson? 01:40 I don't want to talk about that freaky gecko 01:50 I call it a freaky guy. That guy looks like a cave salamander. You know I'm talking about those ones that never see the sun, those caves and he's always wet. Why is he always wet dude? Why is he always just is that the secret to live into a hundred and twenty is just never dry freaky get 02:11 Yeah, that's his phrase dude, never dry, never die. This guy's going to live forever dude. He's always freaking wet and slimy and weird every single time. I see this guy on social media. He takes a year from my life and he adds it to his. I hate this guy. He got go is the craziest thing I've ever 02:33 I don't want to talk about him so I don't want to talk about how accurate it is, unless you're pivoting and talking about Bethel's I would also accept. Now it's actually honestly oddly familiar story. Okay, are we talking about the guy? Yes, yeah, he here's the thing. Have you watched his documentary yet? I refuse to look at him. He does look like a freaky 03:03 I know, I care. 03:09 oh okay, so and Brian Johnson, if you don't know, you probably have seen him somewhere. Yeah, maybe we can throw a I don't know. He's still alive, but the time is recording. That's the whole thing. This guy's trying to live to two hundred right. That's his goal. Well, he's trying not to die. He don't want to die at all. He doesn't want to die at all, but like which honestly super cool thing like don't die. Just being on all your merge is pretty sick. It's hard, but 03:39 I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I was like you. I saw Brian Johnson and I was like this white gecko is so weird and after research, after researching him, I might be a Brian Johnson fan. 03:54 but let me wait to see how this I was like. I mean, we released an episode about Elon Musk and the episode opens with hey guys, we're talking about really cool guy, Elon Musk. That's what Tim Stone, Timothy Stone, father of this child that doesn't exist yet. That's what Tim Stone said about Elon Musk. I was going to say I got to be cautious here. The cool guy, I got a cool guy, love him, 04:18 I got to be conscious here because so many of us, a pale white guy who looks wet all the time that is true. He does look wet, but he's not like a gecko. He's like because he's got that weird stomach thing yeah. He's like a koala or some no no he looks like a like a naked mole rat for actually accurate. No, here's a thing, but I like a real one. He looks like the animated naked mole rat from Kim possible. 04:41 like most people in twenty eighteen that is accurate. That is really a put that next to an image as robert to put that next to him. That's get is accurate. All right, let's talk about your new your new guy. Okay, first of all, he's not my new for this guy to destroy democracy in six years. He could there's honestly there's a lot honestly he's more invested in democracy lasting because he's going to live forever. That is true. 05:06 it behooves him for this not to here at what age though? Let's say this guy pulls this off right. Let's say Brian Johnson pulls it off and he starts living forever yeah. At what age do we just make him king? You know there does come a point where you just like you still here three hundred yeah. If you're still alive like well, you saw you saw civil war war to civil world war to like that you just put them all together civil world war to yeah. 05:34 civil world, gold war to so right john war to vietnum. It's just not so a world war. Civil World War, knob to what's the dom honestly it just makes any war so cooler when you skull it now so bry Johnson. He was born in seventy seven and can you guess 06:01 Born in Connecticut, no Provo, Utah, see a born and raised Mormon graduated Brigham University. That's interesting yeah grew up, grew up more. We have so much money. Do you much money the Mormons have lots real though? I that it's like for yeah yeah and we love the Mormons by the way listen. There's okay, so we did this bit, not this bit. We made fun of the Bigfoot thing and it's not like Mormons teach that in the church. 06:31 that's just a call. That's like the same way the Christians are like Ken hams a real scientist. You know it's all it's all fun and made fun of yeah yeah yeah yeah but like genuinely the tour I did in Utah was really, really fun and I learned a lot about them as a people, but the things I learned the most was that they just have all the money in the world. They do because they own like Marriott hotels they own. What's all the stuff that the LDS Church owns? 06:57 a lot of stuff. I mean they they have a giant stock. They on the they own to the only NFL. I don't know what you can say. Whatever you want right now, your good podcast. You can say whatever you want. Here's the thing about a lot of people don't know about pretty sure. I was actually brisk young from Roger Goodell is able. They reincarnated them to run the NFL anyway. Yeah, no, yeah, I'm Provo 07:26 He grew up in Provo, grew up Mormon, went to Brigham Young University, and he was your stereotypical entrepreneur. He's in college and he starts a little cell phone company. He hires a couple other students to sell service plans and cell phones. He's making three hundred dollars a phone that they sell. I don't know if he was like subcontracted with someone, and he's got like this little group that's going out and selling all this stuff. He later founded a couple other businesses, one that kind of was like a proto Skype sort of situation. 07:55 it's like a little software company that shut down in two thousand one. So it was like early like early video call situation and then he had a real estate project in two thousand one. It's crazy. I mean I know we've with people have joked about it and stuff already, but the way that Skype fumbled twenty twenty unreal unreal, why I remember I remember being in college twenty fourteen twenty thirteen yeah and like doing video calls and that 08:23 like that's a known you already had it was huge. You already had the hook. Yeah shout out to zoom though, because honestly, genuinely look, we love zoom, but honestly we hate zoom because it was objectively worse than skype and facetime and google meet and we all were like yeah. We should all be using zoom. I don't know how they pulled that off. I genuinely this day. We do you google meet for all of our stuff yeah. 08:49 but they they just because came out of no way able to attach the Google Calendar. You're able to send out the emails, same links. You can use all the emojis and if you use code tillin you can it's just wild to me that they came out at no one knew what zoom was yeah before March twenty and then all of a sudden it was like the biggest dog in the game and I know I don't know how they pulled it off. It's crazy. I should figure it out anyways, so and then he started a real estate venture that didn't work out. So he had a few businesses that 09:19 I shouldn't say didn't work out. We're moderately successful, but didn't last and then in what's his money from though, because he's like rich yeah. We'll get to that. Well, actually we'll get to it right now. So in two thousand and seventy started a company called Brain Tree and the company well just before this. I should back up a little bit. There's a story before this. He's he's in between ventures. He's kind of starting up random little startups here and there, 09:46 but they're not making money. He's trying to get the startup off the ground. It's not making any money, so then he goes and he's like almost in panic mode where he's like I can't survive off what's happening right now. I'm losing money in my startup, so he's like I need to get a part time job. Yeah, so instead of going and looking for a normal part time job, he goes and he looks up the fifty wealthiest people in his area and he emails their assistants and he's like he's like hey, I'm looking for a part time job. Does do you guys need anything? Everyone ignored him. No one responded to any of his emails. 10:16 so then he started going around trying to find, because that's not how you reach out to rich people. You know what gets pretty attention writing it in blood on our drive. You know what gets rich people's attention kidnapping the closest person to them in their life honestly though, and then they'll talk. This is actual advice. All right, you're looking for a job. You're like how do I get ahead hustle grind, kidnap the CEO's child, yeah yeah right and and make them have a video where they're like 10:44 he give you a job. That's the rope in their mouth. The real yeah. You've got to get to a job. You got to give this guy a job. Alex is typing it as if we're going to cut this out and I want to make sure that you know we're not. I asked this guy about his work experience and it checks out. I also called all his references and he's really solid. We should hire him. It says that he's proficient in Microsoft office. He can write. He can use Excel 11:10 And he has a he has a VA for Rickham Young University. He has a 74 day streak on Duolingo. 11:23 which shows his consistency and commitment to becoming bilingual. In his previous role he managed to T-O-20 to achieve all their KPIs. 11:42 Hehehehehe 11:46 He has a leadership degree from James River Leadership College. 11:55 and those are just allegations. No pay attention to. I don't think we should have any attention to the raceless allegations from all to whole women. 12:19 yikes. You know what sure he stole all the money from everyone in his town, but when Jesus came to his house for lunch, he gave it all back. 12:38 hires a key is today. He gave it all back, gave it all back after Jesus came to his house and showed it. Jesus is the ghost of Christmas future. Jesus came to his house and showed what the future was like, and he was like I got to be there for that, and that's why he's trying to live forever yeah, so he couldn't find a 13:01 like any like jobs working for wealthy people. So then he started he widened his scope and started looking for other like for poor people. He's like he resound and the fifty as well is for his people. Hey, you guys need any work done. What could you pay? Yeah, do you need any work done? That's to the wealthiest person and then he sent an email to the assistant was like. What about you? Yeah, do you need anywhere? Sorry, this isn't for the boss guy. This is for you for you personally hold close all 13:31 like I'll take out your trash yeah yeah, so he found he finds a company that was a payment processing company like a credit card processor for stores and he got his door to door sales job and essentially and the commission was really good. It was a hundred percent of sales for the first month and so it's a really good commission and it was just month yeah you go on then yeah. So you got a hustle and so he was like he's like I just went door to door to different stores, try to get a minute of the owner's time to convince them to switch to our credit card processor. 14:00 and he said it was tough because I realized really quickly that every single person that had worked with one of these credit card processors had a bad negative association with them because they were all kind of grifters. They were they were taking it wasn't a fair arrangement. They were taking a percentage off the top and it was bad customer support, bad engagement, and it was always a negative experience. And so the second they found out who I was, they didn't want to hear anything from me like they were kind of over it and it was a pain to switch and all that stuff. And so he created a pitch where 14:29 he came in, he dropped a hundred dollars on the table and he's like he's like hey, I'll give you this hundred dollars. If you don't want to work with me, just listen to my pitch and then if you say you don't want to work with me, then I'll give you a hundred dollars and people like okay, I'll hear what you have to say and then they always were like no, we don't want to work with you. Give me that hundred dollars. Yeah, no, basically he just laid it all out and was like here's what the problems everyone has. Here's why we're better and he said and nobody ever took a hundred dollars for me 14:58 and he said I started closing all these deals and in that process he started realizing imagine some. I'll tell you what right now I would take the hundred dollars just to spite this kid, because it's some arrogant twenty two year old coming to me like I you a hundred dollars. We got listen my pitch and if you decide not to work with me, you can keep the hundred dollars and then when he's talking, I would just in my head be like la la la la la la. Do you think I can zone out for a hundred dollars 15:27 Come on man. 15:31 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, They get ad free episodes a week early. 15:43 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough Patreon supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:15 doesn't matter what you're selling me. You could be selling me the secret to a turn of life. You could straight up take the hundred on a hundred dollars. I want you to lose a hundred dollars and then you know what if I did like the product, I would have my wife call you the next day yeah and then make an order yeah. I'll take an order of your eternal life. Please a hundred dollars make that to what need turn off. I'd like to life sentences please 16:41 and so he's going door to door and he's doing this part time. He's still building a start to start up on the side. After three months, he becomes the best best selling employee in the company and he does the math and he realizes for this company he's making sixty two thousand five hundred dollars a month is what they're pulling in yeah, and so he's like why am I not just doing this and so he shuts down his other job and he starts brain tree in two thousand and seven, which is a payment processing company, 17:10 and it was going to be an online payment processing company. Sure. And so this was already, PayPal already existed. PayPal actually already was acquired by eBay. And so like this is like pretty late in the game. Authorize.net is out there. Like there's a bunch of payment processors out there that are doing it. But at this point, there hadn't really been any innovation since like the late 90s. Like they're still doing exactly what they had always been doing. Sure. And the models weren't great. They weren't great for businesses. And there wasn't a lot of... 17:37 like most developers did not like working with any of these payment processes, so he wanted to make a processor. That was something that developers would like to work with. Yeah, he did just that and grew this company to where it was a pretty successful payment processing company and then they started going out and what he focused on is he focused on all the Silicon Valley companies. He's like we want to be your payment processor and so all the startups he they got uber they got 18:07 Door dash, they were getting all these like companies that were early in their life, start up apps that were going to grow and be really big. He was going and getting him while they were still start up, so he's like they're going to blow up some of these, and so he would just get all of the start ups to use his product. Okay, was a strategy and so because some of them blew up, they ended up being highly valuable. Well, then in twenty twelve, so really quickly five years into the business, they've grown to the point where they're a multi million dollar business. Yeah, 18:35 and then he spots this startup in Silicon Valley that is kind of taking payment processing and giving it to the user, which was Venmo, and so he buys it for twenty six million dollars. A year later, he puts he does a sale Venmo and Braintree together to PayPal for eight hundred million. One year later flipped pretty much flip Venmo. It wasn't Braintree, it was Venmo. He flipped Venmo from twenty six million to eight hundred million dollars in one year. 19:06 Um 19:10 just got to get twenty six million dollars. All we need. All I need is twenty six million dollars and the next Venmo and then the next PayPal to sell the next Venmo to that PayPal for eight hundred million dollars and then I'd be set if I could just do that. 19:31 Or you can join us on patreon 19:38 where we would make a grand total of $5 a month. 19:43 please help support the show. Tim has a kid on the way 19:54 and so he's running this business yeah and it is it's taking its toll on him. Sure he is your stereotypical silicon valley like business startup guy who's working fast yeah eighteen hours a day, getting no sleep, showing up at the office feeling dead, but feeling like there's so much work to do depressed very he's very outspoken about how depressed he was during this time. I'll say right now I have zero sympathy for people who have a her million dollars in the press. Well, first of all he doesn't have this was while he was 20:24 building brain tree, so the five years while he was building it, he was tanking and he was in a very dark place actively thinking about ending his own life and everything was kind of falling down around him. He walked away from his faith during this period and because of him choosing to walk away from his faith, my way from his community yeah. He walked away from his entire community, his wife and kids left because 20:52 they couldn't be together anymore because of that decision and he that's why he's trying to live forever. He doesn't want to face God feels guilty. He's like I never want to see that guy the change. Hold on. I need to show you a picture of him from this era. Have you ever seen his before? No, it is kind of unreal to see what he used to look like. Okay, so here he is when he was running 21:22 brain tree. Isn't that crazy? And so he was very unhealthy. He talked about how he never slept, he never exercised. All he did every day was work. He was depressed. He was in a very bad mental state and he just ate whatever was quickest and easiest to eat, and so he was eaten poorly. He was very unhealthy. He felt terrible and so he finished. He sells PayPal and now he's got enough money to do whatever he wants with his time, and so he says, okay, I want to do something like a lot of these 21:52 billionaire types do changes the war. Yes, yeah exactly, and so he spent some time trying to think about what that's going to be and then he everyone wants to change the world. All right, maybe just shut up maybe take that wealth you've accumulated, try to spread that around a little bit. Maybe you could change the world by changing some people's world. You know, I say I could change the world for one 22:21 yeah you could give me you can support us on patreon twenty six million dollars, and I bet you could then sell me in a couple years, but you could let me for eight hundred million dollars. 22:35 so he spends a couple years getting healthy. He's like he's like I don't have to work this many hours anymore, and so he gets a personal trainer. He starts eating better. I still have a wife and kids yeah, so I got plenty of time to do nothing. He starts another company. He starts another company that does all right. It's like one of those what do you call it like brain, computer interfaces companies. Oh, it starts that that goes all right. 23:05 and then I think he sold it in twenty twenty, not for anywhere near. I mean still a ton of money like fifty million, I think, but not anywhere near what the last one was, and so in twenty now he's healthy at this point and in twenty twenty one. He was like I am getting healthy and there's all this science coming out about anti aging stuff and it's happening for rats and stuff and he's like. I wonder if it could happen for me and stuff 23:35 and so all this stuff yeah man, there's a lot of stuff about mice and stuff. I'm wondering maybe it could happen for me and stuff yeah, so I hired a documentary crew and stuff. Yeah, so what he did well, he didn't even hire the documentary crew. What he did so his eldest son decided is that he wanted to come live with him instead he's like he's like you know. I'm not so sure about the Mormon Church either 24:02 and I kind of miss my dad. I'm going to go live with him. I kind of miss living with a billionaire mom's pretty poor, pretty poor only all miss is 24:13 The nanny. 24:18 Boo! 24:20 to be real has gotten pretty ripped with the past couple years. She's a little overweight and now she's like she's like so direct yeah. She used to talk about how sad she was, but now she's like I never want to die. So imagine that your Mrs Dow firing your kids and the only thing you talk about is how sad you are. I'm so sad all the time 24:48 that's really sucks. Mrs Doubtfire is it so it's very hard to be me and then like a couple of years later friggin miss down. I was like just getting the reps in early every day. What's up? I'm better. I'm never going to die. I'm never going to use to wish I die. No, I never could have died. Look yourself in the everything. Don't die, don't die, don't 25:16 die. These are my positive affirmations death lose and so so what he does is he starts working on what he calls project blueprint, and so it's the blueprint to a healthy life yeah. Okay, so it's like three phases or I think he calls on protocols. Here's the three elements of my live forever blueprint. Yeah, what are they map it out for me? 25:43 I thought what you think three elements of a lift for a blue abundance, mindset, there you go good start. No, so it starts with the first protocol is what we would typically think of. It's like stop eating such garbage, don't die, don't eat a bunch of garbage or first first step is to don't do anything dangerous. Yeah, don't do something that might kill you. No first step was was get rid of all like the trans fats in your diet and like just have a haven what we would call a normal healthy diet and then also start 26:10 exercising and working on your fitness. That's step one super normal. All of us can get behind that step to is like vitamins and supplements, and so there's a bunch of vitamins and supplements of vitamin and supplement routine to get into again a little intense, but also not crazy. You know pretty not easy. He says he looked me in the eye and step three is where things get insane. Yeah, set three is where 26:40 he has like the wake up at four a.m. and turn on a sun lamp in your face and get like five minutes of sun right in your face. I think he said eight thirty if I remember right every night, so he's like eight thirty every night up at four. He tracks his sleep and it's really interesting in the documentary. He's like this my first week where I hit a hundred percent of my sleep goals is like he's like I slept is the first we grab it a hundred percent of my sleep goals. If someone says to you they have sleep goals, 27:15 No one here's what I was saying. People who have sleep goals don't have a counselor. Yeah, that's true. Well, he does actually and that's part of it. Mental health is part of living forever. Have sleep goals, don't have a counselor who's telling them the truth. So he that's pretty fair and then and then in there you so you have some hokey stuff like like the get the sun in your eyes for like five minutes when you first wake up. So hokey I do it every day 27:43 and then and then you've got some some pretty extreme things like blood transfer. I don't wake up till seven when the sun's up. 27:52 yeah, but that Brian yeah. If you wake up a Brian, you idiot yeah, wake up and why are you actual son sleep until the little one is up sleep a little more and get some actual son, but yeah and then this step three is where it's like he has specific times of the day where he's supposed to eat and then like the meals are prepped and plan for him to eat those meals. He's got like ninety supplements he's taken in the morning, and he's also got like a chef that makes all the stuff for you know. He's got the ability to pay for all of this yeah 28:21 but everything in his life at step three, everything, everything and anyone who's doing this at step three. Everything in your life is an algorithm your when you're going to bed when you're waking up when you're working out what workouts you're doing, what you're eating, every single thing comes down to an algorithm where you're putting in all the data of your BMI and the diet you're eating and the workouts you're doing and it's spitting out what you think is a result. That's 28:47 interesting. I do know, so I do know he has an assist with two trainers. I do know he has an assistant who's kind of like running his life. Yeah, what I what else I know is he does have a longevity expert, and so this is a PhD scientist who appears to live somewhere else, like in the UK or something sure, and he does video consultants with consultations with him, and he's like helping coach him through longevity, and this is a real scientist, and it's very interesting watching him talk because he's like brian is the best guinea pig. 29:16 and so he's looking he's like I'm just running science experiments on him because he's open to it and there's no other human you can run this sort of experiments on great, so he's just like all the stuff that we've been doing typically like mice like I get to do on translucent and then I think in another couple months he'll start glowing in the dark is what I'm hoping. Well, here's where here's where the scandal of him came out and why he got famous because there was an experiment that was conducted where there was an old mouse and 29:44 the mice, the mouse's child blood transfusion. Yeah they what they did. This is crazy what they did to the mice. I don't know where they did this, but they couldn't have done it here. I don't think this would have been legal in the states. They literally just connected their their veins together, their arteries together, so they would be like one organism and the blood would circulate between the two of them and having that blood circulate into the elder reverse a lot of the effects on aging of the or internal organs of the elder mouse. 30:14 and so he heard about that and he was like oh, that's interesting. That's great. I've got a child. Well, actually it wasn't as that it this is not that you can go live with your dad, but if you do, you have to give him your blood. That makes us have to say because what actually happened was so his dad. 30:39 that makes it sound insane, unlike reality. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what happened. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 31:05 and so he called his dad and was like hey. I want to do this for you. He's saying I want to give you my this Christmas. You're getting a pint of blood, you open the it's a rat, a stop. Let's get out of that yeah. 31:26 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 31:54 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 32:26 that sucks, so he calls his dad. He's like he's like I want to do this for you and so he's him and Brian and Brian's son, Brian's son, who first of all, Brian's son's name is Talmage. Yeah, that's his son's name sounds like a town and runes. So Bride son Talmage comes to him down like hey, I know you're doing that for grandpa. He's like I want to do it for you to it's. It's more ridiculous that your name is 32:54 brian like it's different. If your name is freaking also it's a yeah, but the fact that you're an or heart and you and tal mids, but it's like oh yeah, my mom, jennifer and my dad brian they named me down tal midge, so tab it comes to brian when he finds out that this is my brother draenor is doing this for my sister varoc 33:26 Verac is the same so bright ones. Now so Tomage, Tomage, what is very look at Alex like he was one of us. He was it is that Rinscape is that all Rinscape stuff yeah nice. Okay, so the only Rinscape thing I remember never mind our dog talisman, so Talmage comes to Brian and Brian's like he's like he's like he's like Brian Dad. I love what you're doing for grandpa and then he's like I want to do the same thing for you, so what they do is they plan this trip. I think was to Miami 33:54 they do this whole trip to Miami and they do the love we're doing for your dad, please take my blood. 34:05 they hold on. I nearly find this picture. They do a photo shoot when they go and the photo shoot that they do is the one with our shirtless and they're like yeah look yeah yeah yeah well they're they're wearing. I mean I guess they also took shirtless photos. They went to a golf course and they took the photos together yeah and it's weird saying it's also like here's the thing look at the dad and this right. 34:33 okay. The dad didn't want to do this. No he did because he's knows he's getting healthy. He didn't want to do a photo shoot. What I'm saying the dad is like, but if your kid who's worth eight her million dollars, it's like I'm going to give you a pint of my blood, but you're like these like you're like. I don't know. I want that and your kid is like well. Do you want to keep living in the nursing home? We're living in or do you want to move into this crappy one? Yeah, well, I guess I'll keep doing this. I guess I'll do the weird photo shoot 35:02 So yeah, they do the photo shoot and then they do the blood transfusion and they've been doing this for years. I believe just transferring their blood to each other and I know it sounds insane, but it's an interesting thing because it's not hard to donate some of your blood to one of your family members who's sick and it is something that it does actually help them and so I don't know. This sounds insane. It sounds crazy. 35:28 and for for Talmage to Brian is weird because Brian doesn't need it for Brian to his dad. It's like that's really like it's like giving a kidney to someone you know it's like that. Maybe not like giving a kidney, because that's like a bigger thing, but it's like you're you're sacrificing something of yours to help someone else. What you're about to you're about to shoot me down. What are you going to say? I'm listening to you. I think it's a kind thing to do to because essentially it's like it's a plasma donation. You're donating plasma sure to your father, so that way he can be healthier. 35:57 and I don't think there's. I don't think that's a weird thing. Everyone acts like it's such a weird thing. I don't think that's that weird of a thing. It's just weird because blood sure and people are weirded out by blood yeah and it's weird because I took the pictures. I don't think my dad a kidney. I'm not going to be like all right, but before we do that, let's do that lady who took my senior pictures. 36:20 where's Molly? Can Molly go take a picture? Once we get them out, let's get both our kidneys out and let's take up the stick. Let's take a photo shoot of a motion of a me handing you a kidney and let's get one where you're like throwing your kid. Don't worry is a real kidney. It's just a piece of raw chicken with some ketchup on it and we're like I give me I've given up my kidney, then we put the raw chicken in by mistake. 36:49 they hooked it up and then we find out. Then we find out that really that's what it was all along that actually work in is just wait. You can replace all of your organs with chicken, brith, the rock, they need all take the half chicken, please I'm going to run to Costco real quick. I'm going to buy frozen chicken breast, get myself some lungs and then when I'm in live, I'll be like I'm going to live forever. He's got having a party 37:18 something like that, putting all these inside me, but all that's why people typically they eat them right. That's our side surgically surgically placing these inside myself. Take everything out and put in some chicken. Make sure you take the bones out though. Okay, got a deep on that chicken before you all right in my chest. I hate this. No, I think it's kind of a beautiful thing. 37:48 that's fine. You get it. Go ahead and move on with the story that they're doing blood transfusions or that's right. Okay, what was this? What was the findings of it though? Did it work? I actually don't know. I have no idea okay. I mean yeah, I have no idea. They're still doing it, so I'm assuming there's been some sort of often they do it. I don't know how often they do it. I don't I you're saying that's weird. It's not every morning. No, it's not every morning. It's like maybe once a year okay, but 38:14 he does have he does have a group of people of doctors and different people who are coming in and they are doing sure different sorts of procedures on him almost daily. The majority of what they're doing, though, is test to see where he's at on a bunch of different metrics right or he's at zero percent body fat. He is genuinely yoked like absolutely yoked, but he does also look sick at the same time. He looks like he doesn't look good, but he's also ripped and he's like 38:44 very, very fit. He's doing incredible workouts like difficult workouts and he seems to be in a good spot. There's a video of him now with like a fitness influencer and he's showing him what he usually does for like dinner and like here's here's my typical dinner and the fitness and influencer is like. Are you hungry when he sees it and he's like always starving on so hungry, don't ask if I go to point five body percent, then my son shoots me 39:14 you said shoots like it's happened. Yeah, he's done it. He's done it. What's interesting is he's now building a community of people. It's the don't die community and great and so the community are people who are similar to him, like trying to make a lot of these changes to their life to be healthier people and and it's interesting because when you're on that first level great love this community, even the second level 39:41 little extreme. Some of that stuff's not really a proven some of that stuff's not really FDA approved little sketchy. I don't know, set the reason sane, but at the end of the day, I do think that there's something here of like traditional medicine is treatments. You're treating an existing condition. You're not doing like preventive maintenance. What he's trying to do is he's trying to help people just take better care of their bodies. 40:09 so that way they don't need to do the treatments right, and so it's like stop doing the stuff that's actively hurting you stop doing the stuff that's actively harming you do some stuff that's going to yeah you healthy like these energy drinks that we drink called X energy or these supplements that we sell called. What is really interesting is he does so he's got a YouTube channel now I should okay back the story up. He blew up after this 40:38 was did the press circuit was on every morning talk show. Everyone thought it was the craziest thing in the world. People were calling him a vampire. People were like calling him. He looks like a robot vampire yeah, or he does look like a lot of empire. Yes, I'm going to live forever yeah. I mean he's your stereotypical Silicon Valley guy too, so like he talks like that he's very like rigid. It's all everything he does. He is a system, an algorithm, anybody can do this with a well with a team of twelve doctors, four personal trainers, 41:07 private chef. He has spent millions on this and if you just get divorced and lose custody of your kids, yeah, anything's possible. Here's what he's not saying that's the message of our pod. If you get divorced and lose custody of your kids, you can do any wide open. He's not saying anyone can do it. What he's saying is he's saying I'm going to go out and try all this stuff that all the researchers are studying, but they can't get approval to do human studies. I'm going to be the human study and I'm we're going to find out what actually works. 41:36 and he's like and so he's like I'm trying everything and he's like I'm going to tell you what's working and so he's got videos on his YouTube channel now. Now his YouTube sounds got like a million and a half years and it's actually really interesting because he reviews a lot of these supplements and he actually will tell you he says okay. I take the supplement. Here's the effect it has. I recommend or I don't recommend and so a specific second supplement that may or may not have sponsors this podcast in the past. He straight up was like this is a scam. Don't use this one interesting and so like he's got like 42:04 stuff that he recommends stuff that he doesn't recommend, so it's very interesting to see like he's not just as a person who's done greens though now yeah yeah the ones that sponsored us were terrible yeah exactly and that's the thing like he will come out and he will say whether or not things legit or not and so it's, but he does like most influencers have his own links to everything and he does have sponsored content, but it does seem and I guess there's no way to know for sure, but does seem like he's only 42:33 doing these sponsorships with things that he actually uses and actually does recommend right, and now he's got this whole community and they're doing meetups now and so they're doing meetups. They're going on walks in Los Angeles. You should do one. Actually, that would be pretty great. That would be pretty funny. That'd be pretty funny if you like you like join the don't die community. Here's the thing they are actively calling themselves a cult in the documentary his dad, but it's like a life cold. Is that what they call it? They call it a life cold. Don't they no de just call it a call 43:01 his his son was like dad. You know you're kind of starting to call right and he went like that was the plan. He really liked that, so now they're like welcome to the cult yeah and so, but yeah now they've got a community of people. It started out with like the first time they did it like fifteen people showed up and now when they do it in Los Angeles like four hundred people show up for them to just like walk in the hills and then and now it's happening in Chicago and New York and 43:26 and it's happening to be around a bunch of weird people. You know, it is the reason I go on walks is to not be the weirds to not be weird. Yeah, let's not be near the weird yeah yeah, but here's the thing. What he's doing is getting a lot of people who very much seem like they probably want to be healthy. If it wasn't for him, like they wouldn't be doing these health things. They want to be conscious of what they're eating. They probably want to be like active and fit. If they didn't find this guy, 43:53 and so I do think he's doing something that's good for a lot of people, and I do think it's interesting. The idea of saying hey, most of modern medicine is how do we treat the symptoms of the condition you have and then says saying okay, how do we prevent the condition right and so he's and he's looking at a lot of honestly unhealthy behaviors we have as a culture and saying let's get rid of those unhealthy behaviors and replace them with healthy behaviors and find ways to make it like a reasonable lifestyle for him. 44:22 unreasonable lifestyle for the vast majority of us, and I think he recognizes that, but he's trying to figure out ways to make that possible. I like his mission. I do. I do like his mission is extreme one hundred percent. Is he really weird? Yes, does he look like a wet gecko? Yes, has he taken it too far? Probably did he name is Kim Talmage. Is that really weird? Yes, here's what I love. If you clip the last like twenty seconds 44:50 we could be talking about anybody in Silicon Valley, so yeah, I guess anyways also also a pastor of one of those weird churches. Also, it's this it's a very similar thing to Bert Kreischer where it's like gosh this this dude loves his kids so much. It's like hard not to like him yeah yeah. It's like it because like he's a lot of this has been 45:20 he's like I miss so much time with my kids and he's like he's like now as much I am literally connected by the veins to my child. Well, his dad too, isn't that right? Yes, yes dad. 45:41 doesn't have a body anymore. Thanks I want something else. Looks like the friggin we're, but it's the same thing with his dad, because his dad, his dad was a drunk. His dad walked out on them. His dad went to jail and so his dad wasn't present and so he's like this whole project is just really really when you think about it actually now that we're at the end of this documentary. 46:07 I apologize because I just now realize that all these efforts were just an effort to get close to my dad and my son and and it cost like I guess I could have just I could have just done that because I could have just had a conversation about how I so sorry I will do it. I just had that epiphany, but it was been five million dollars and trade blood with other people to not talk about their feelings. 46:36 now, but he was talking about your feelings. 46:41 you can do that. Our big tree on is that what you're we have a thoughts of prayer channel on our discord available for our members. If no one listens to you, you can pay for us to listen to you. That's where counselor is. If you don't have anybody to talk to, you can pay someone to listen to you. That's what counseling is. Oh my gosh yeah, so that's Brian Johnson. I guess we've said enough about him. I am cautiously a fan. I am. I'm cautiously a fan. I don't know very much about him yet, so 47:11 who knows something could change. I have been musked before and I'm willing to say I could be wrong about this all right, but so far I think it gets a lot of flag because he's he does seem weird. He is weird. We're going to start selling most of the decision don't fiddle off. I like that 47:36 Hey, if you like that episode, thanks so much for joining us for things. I learned last night. We have a bunch of other episodes you can check out, including this one about count Saint Germain, a real life vampire in the New Orleans who did live forever and he didn't have to look freaky doing it. At least we don't know that or not. You know, if you want next week's episode right now, you can join us on our membership. 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