In 1980, Rosie Ruiz crossed the Boston Marathon finish line with a smile and a medal. She had just posted one of the fastest female marathon times ever. Cameras flashed. Reporters asked questions. But within days, the truth came out—Rosie Ruiz had cheated. This is the strange and unforgettable story of how Rosie Ruiz became a marathon “winner” without running … Read More
How to Win the Boston Marathon: Cheat | Rosie Ruiz Ep 270
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00:00 this episode is a little bit more for our fans, so it really is like there's so much tangents and all that stuff. This one was a mess, this, but we also learned about Rosie O, Rosie, Rosie, Rosie, she's marathon runner. She is a marathon runner. I mean she did she did. She was the female winner of the Boston Marathon in 1980, so record holder yeah and she held on to that medal till the end of her life. So we did about we talk about how she won the race 00:29 and then the controversy that surrounded it. So this episode comes out when who knows man, April 22nd, yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so this again, I'm on tour in June. I've got some dates sometime 00:49 Come to one for real. Come to the shows. That'd be great. All my shows as always, jerrymire.com slash shows. Some of the cities I know for sure I'll be in. Then I can lose. I can't tell you the dates, but I can loosely be like Coleman, Alabama, Houston, Texas, Jacksonville, Florida, Charlotte, North Carolina. And you're like, didn't you just go to Florida and Texas? I also said the same thing to the tour people. I said, didn't we just do this? And so those, that's, that's where we'll be at. 01:17 Austin, Texas is one of the places, so. Love it. Going to get weird. Yeah, Austin's not as crazy as it used to be, right? Austin, like there used to be a stereotype around Austin, Texas and that's not, I think. I think now it's like a comedy hub. That's great. Yeah. See this tangent right now? This is what you're in store for. All right, let's get to the episode. 01:43 Hey man, what's up? We ever heard of Rosie Ruiz, Rosie Ruiz, Rosie Ruiz. Oh man, so is there her stage name? O'Donnell, man, is that what's happening? No, but but I know Rosie Ruiz. Here's a picture of her. We'll see if you can guess what she does based on her photo. I love doing this Rosie Ruiz. What do think she does? It's a shockingly good photo considering the era like you can tell what era considering 02:13 Is she a lawyer? That's a good guess. I think that's a pretty good guess. Well, here I'll give you another one for showing up for court. She did something. She's a murderer. I'll show you another one yeah. Okay, so she's she is she's the center of the trial of whatever is happening. Okay, so what is looks very guilty. She looks like super guilty. She just looks like this is the photo that they run on the news. You know yeah yeah so rosy Ruiz. Well, actually you know what I what are you talking about? 02:43 So really, really, clearly she's on trial, you know, are you all right? What is that? Work out in this morning? No, I didn't. I can tell. Oh my God. Okay, here, let's just Rosy Ruiz. You got chubby cheeks. Oh my gosh. Should we run? we run around? Should we pick up the chairs and run a couple laps around the table? Real quick face. Should we run around the table? A couple of voice. 03:10 and ultimately, ultimately the only remedy is for you to follow Christ. No, I what this is right, whatever this is right now, always for Christ. Oh, it's a call back. Oh, I don't even know what that we don't know what that call back in that episode like a week ago. We recorded that and this is not a joke yesterday. 03:33 so like you listen to it. You're like oh, that's a call back from a couple weeks ago. That episode a long time ago. Wow! What a deep call back. This is a mere. This is less than a twenty four hour call back for Tim. You understand what I'm saying? I don't remember. You don't remember boys for Christ. You remember the whole way like he let her drown and then they open the o car and started reading because it was the BFC. That's right. This is literally yesterday, dude, 04:03 she's yes. If I was a kid now, I'm wondering if I not it was a genuine concern that I was like you're talking like so Rosie is okay. We need some jumping jacks or something yikes. Okay anyways, I guess we'll talk about Rosie Ruiz. There you go. There's a Rosie Ruiz. She let's we'll start it here. We'll start it here and those in what year is this 04:32 nineteen seventy nine she ran question okay color photos yeah when what do mean when when did they happen when because why are we seeing so many pictures that the seventy's they had colored pictures yeah that's a good point that's a good point because I don't say if this is nineteen seventy nine 04:54 Yeah, like why are we black and white pictures? These are, think these are newspaper photos. I think that's why they look so good and then they're black and white because they're printed in black and white. Okay, but we do have color photos. I'll show you some color photos when we get into it. Actually, I'll show you a color photo right now. Maybe this will tell you what she who she is. She's covered in blood. Maybe this will tell you who she is. This is actually one with the police in this photo. Hey, 05:23 Oh, she's a marathon runner. Yeah, why are you talking like this? Dude, this is what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be mean to you right now. I'm like oh, she's a marathoner yeah. Okay, I don't know man, so in nineteen seventy nine, she ran the New York City Marathon and she placed eleventh overall with a time of 05:52 two fifty six twenty nine okay, which is fast, very fast. There's enough for her to qualify for the Boston Marathon nine minute pace, right? I don't know how many miles is a marathon. Do you know off the six point two? Yeah, so yeah, I don't know what the math is on that. I didn't do the math, but it's quick. So she she finished with that time two fifty six twenty nine, which placed the eleventh overall almost three hours to run twenty six miles. So 06:22 that's that seven minutes, that's eight minutes, eight and two third minutes, which I remember it's run a nine minute pace. I guess I mean, I remember in high school, if you could run an eight minute mile, people were like this good job. That's what everyone said. Oh, that's a good job. All the peers was the sign at our good job. If you were in good job, oh, you were that the kids, the kids, 06:49 you finish the mile. The kids go like you did it all in unison to just a bunch of high scores going crazy. Honestly, if you imagine imagine being a it's you're not even a a one you're like an a is that a do they say a gosh has been so long since I've been in high school. Is that what they do a a five five a I got it backwards you're you're a 07:16 3A high school. You're not even the top of the list, right? You're a 3A high school, play basketball. You're, you know, at an away game at some other high school. Student section is all there, but for some reason they aren't rowdy, but every time something happens in their favor, the whole student section, 200 kids, the full bleacher in unison, just the terrifying. Yeah, 07:47 I love that. I love that when you started doing this bit, I was like I'm going to do it. Yeah, no, I'm saying like they're all just standing there watching the game like this. Yeah, just completely like that's yeah. At least it's better than 08:11 and then they go back. Have you watched the did you watch the documentary, the North Korea documentary, the something sun rising sun, something like that. You know, I'm talking about where like the camera crew got access and then in the editing they showed the parts that that was supposed to get edited out. Oh, you see that? No, I didn't see it, but I love that idea. Yeah, it's phenomenal because it's literally like they got access to North Korea to make a propaganda documentary. Yeah, but then they just showed all the other parts 08:40 of like them waiting for the bus and literally the people being like okay go and like people started walking and pretending to be part of the normal. Yes, it's interesting eerie, but like the fact that the whole crowd claps. That was what that was. That's a normal. do. Yeah, they literally go and they all stop in unison. They don't do that. I don't think they're not freaking storm troopers, but they like 09:07 Yeah 09:12 I just forever. Do you think that because of the like melting pot nature of our nation? That wasn't what has inspired. That's what starts to sound like because we're not all the same. You know, it's a sound a little well. What I'm saying is like our culture is where a bunch of cultures that are like supposed to in theory co together in unison. Yeah, yeah, but I think what 09:41 has actually happened is that it's like island off yeah and then and it and almost like, but then we end up like so like then we end up with a bunch of people who belong to no island really. That's what I'm saying yeah and then they and then there's like and then that fuels this. I don't know what to this I guess racism and nationalism sure because it's like 10:05 I think there is, think there's, I think there's a desire that people have to want to be part of a unified culture. Yeah. And the problem is, is that the people who are a little loudest about wanting to unify the culture are like, yeah, and that culture has to hate gay people and like has, and you're like, hold on. Yeah, I'm all like, yeah, let's unify the culture. Let's say the political, I'm proud to live in this country. Sure. But also does that mean I have to be like, and if you're 10:31 proud of your heritage in any way that takes away from this, then you're anti this. And it's just like, Oh, I don't think I'm on board for that. And so, but I do agree with what you're saying. Yes, it ends up being a bunch of different islands. And then I, I mean, I think, I think it's the 23 and me stuff is like, you know, talking to my wife about like, we don't, we can't easily track our grandparents, great grandparents. We can't track that back to like, we're 11:01 Irish or weird German or where this like we're just a hot as sure so much so much of like so many people who live here and like their families always lived here. They don't have a bigger story like they don't have like the connection to their ancestors because they don't know who they are like we are all our generation of people who've whose family has always lived here like I don't know. 11:29 what my great gram, I don't even know my great grandparents names. So I, but I think that's what I'm saying is that I think that that's the symptom of the culture that we have built is that we've so prioritized us. Like we don't even, we don't think about our great grandkids anymore either. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't, yeah, we don't think about it as far as like the part of the whole, or that we're part of a larger story. We think of it as I'm living right now. Yeah. And that's, and I think that's because of the, um, 11:59 I don't want to blame one generation, but there's a couple generations that came before us who were the most selfish in American history and and boom all the things are bad. It does, but no, these are things were already bad. It doesn't read like it does breed this. This I don't know. It breeds this. I don't want to pay taxes because it's just for me. You know what I'm saying? Like any program that other people to a task conversation, 12:29 No, what I'm saying is like it's it's pushed the community so so so so so so so so so small sure that it's like everyone on the outsides the outside and almost an enemy and dangerous. mean yeah you saw that I think you saw that during coven when people were like me and mine taking care of me and mine and like this whole like what's the what's the movement call where people are buying homesteading yeah you know 12:52 They're just like, I'm just going live out here and take care of me and mine. You're like, you're a freaking isolated prepper is what you are. so, but yeah, I think the longing that people have is one, to be part of a bigger story than themselves and two, to be part of a community that's also living in that story. And as the American church has been deteriorating over the past several decades, that used to be one of the unifying factors. Another unifying factor was that 13:16 Same thing with like people used be part of a job or a career and they would work at that company for fifty years. Being a part of that company and its growth was part of their story. Now people are job hopping every couple of years because it's so individualistic and island life right and also because you can't have it also because it doesn't pay off the same way because where doesn't view you as part of the bigger story. Yeah, exactly. Your employer views you as a as a call ability to get to that thing. Yes. Yeah. And so 13:46 Yeah, there's I think to try to be like oh, it's because of the melting pot thing or because it's it's there are so many other factors and so much stuff that came together to create this awful spot that we're in yeah where it's hard to make friends now because friendship requires that I care about your well being, whether it's 14:13 whether it involves me or not. My love for you is that I want the best for you, whether that's not at the expense of myself even, just like I want what's best for you. And so that's hard to do in a society where we're all just kind of thinking about what I need to do. Also, I would love to have the extra money or time to invest in friendships and community. Don't have it. 14:43 You you want to go out to lunch with your friends, that's a hundred dollars. Yeah, for real, for real. And you're like, oh, okay, I can do that once a month or once every other month. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like, oh, well, why don't you just go to each other's houses? Well, we live freaking 40 minutes apart because the rent sucks and it's hard to find a place to live. Yep. Okay. Well, you know, still you could probably make the drive and go hang out at each other's houses. Yeah. But then I also got to clean up my apartment. 15:12 which takes time, is the energy that I do not have when I come home from my job. That's what I'm saying. There's so many other, and those aren't just excuses. Those are just things that are like, man, we don't have friends over. I got to go clean my house. Because like right now I'm just getting by most nights. And then we get, you you open social media and it's like, hey, you lazy sack of crap. Oh, you're going to sit. You are kind of lazy though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 15:41 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 15:53 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:25 so she had a time of two hours, fifty six minutes and twenty nine seconds like an eight and half. Are you get into this man? Oh really quick? Okay, she plays the eleventh overall yeah in New York and the New York City Marathon. Good time, good sure right and it was good enough to qualify her for the Boston Marathon and here's the thing about the Boston Marathon. The New York City Marathon was founded, I think in nineteen seventy so in seventy nine 16:53 It was a very new thing running those things forever. It does well. The Boston Marathon is the oldest marathon in the country. It's been running since the eighteen nineties and so yeah that marathon. Why did it take New York like a hundred years to be like hey, we should do one of those? I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't tell you, but Boston was like the prestigious one. It still is like it's the big one and so you to qualify for that stuff. Yeah, you don't just get to run into the race and so she qualifies for the Boston Marathon. 17:20 but not a New York marathon. Well, no, she she qualified for the New York marathon. Oh, okay, okay, okay, and we'll get into kind of the story about how she qualified in a minute, but she does the Boston Marathon is the where she she hit someone in the kneecap. What is Tanya Harding? It was a it was an ice skating. Oh, do know about Tanya Harding? Maybe maybe I'll do an episode about Tanya. Okay, okay, sure. That sounds like vaguely familiar. The name sounds familiar. 17:47 anyways yeah in April, nineteen eighty. So just a few months later, she runs the Boston Marathon and she finishes this marathon with a time of two hours and fifty six minutes. No two hours and fifty six minutes was New York. Great. Have you been paying attention? I told you this already. I snuck it in while you were ranting taxes, so I was straight to camp. Here's what's public education all of them and then you went two hours, thirty seven minutes. 18:17 No, it was she finished with a time of two hours, thirty one minutes, fifty six seconds and so her time said you said thirty seven and so she placed first and it was the she won the boss of marathon. Yeah, it was the fastest female time in Boston Marathon history and it's also the third fastest female time ever recorded in any marathon ever. So this was a stunning performance, especially because of the fact that 18:47 she did just a couple months earlier on Marathon time of two hours and fifty six minutes to sort of cut twenty five minutes yeah in four months. That's is very awesome. It's very impressive. Yeah. So she finishes that race and she comes into the finish line and we see this. We see this picture. I'm no marathon runner, but I know that's not possible. Yeah. So she finishes this Marathon. She's very clearly huffing and puffing also police to carry her what never mind. We're gonna let it go. She needs the police to carry her into into the 19:16 the finish line yeah and and this these two are the most nineteen eighty cops. You could even imagine like look at the guy on the right. Is he going to chew it? They both have chew it and for yeah, I was doing that the other day. I thought I saw someone on my flight that had chew. Are you allowed to do chew on a plane? I wanted you. I can eat on a plane. I don't know where you have to swallow it though. 19:47 Sir, saw some way you can do that here, but you got a there was somewhere else that I saw someone have chew in and I was like one to have chew here yeah for sure. Okay, yeah you can do you can chew wherever you want. Is that it? I think so. What's those in pouches people are all about? Yeah, it's a chew in a pouch. Is that what it is? Yeah, it's just two in a pouch. That's crazy. It's a little clean like it's cleaner to deal with. I think so many people who are 20:16 All the young and are into it. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. You get that little nicotine hit. Yeah, that's crazy. I say as I answer from my second Celsius of the morning. Are you serious? That's your second. Yeah, shut up. No, it's not. When'd you eat their first drink the first? Well, I ate the first one. 20:36 on my drive down. That's crazy. Should I not be drinking? I feel a little bit like let's go perfect. I'm going to fight someone over our tax system, so she so she gets her least stand up with a little sign her little all I go branch. No, no, no, 20:54 lie, false, so stupid dude. Oh, so she gets her little crown and her little crown and they take her to the podium. They give her one of those space blankets and they take her to the podium. So she's sitting at the she she gets the podium. She gets her metal. This was the secret. Oh, it was my nose. Yeah, smell the finish. That's not what she that's not the joke I was making. 21:20 is the dude and so every runner was on co nexter is the the first place male yeah and so third it's sitting there doing the press conference right yeah and I have to legally get married. I think is what the boss are. It's like they're like the queen of Boston. Now whoever wins this race has to kiss. Congratulations, you graduate, you know, kiss that guy. It was the eighty. 21:50 you know that's what a lot of people think that that war hero in the in the nurse. Oh like that's what that picture was. Yes, one a mare. They just won the marathon. They the kiss. So that's Bill Rogers, Bill Rogers. He is like a legend in the marathon world. I think oh he won four straight New York City marathons, three straight Boston marathons and he was an Olympian and so he's like a big time. Yeah, he's marathon runner and he was consistently like we was his time for the New York Marathon. 22:20 for the New York for that one that they won together. He did it in two hours and twelve minutes. Oh okay, he beat. So he beat a lot, but she was the fastest woman in that race, so he so just to work clear of how the Boston Marathon worked. He crosses the finish line. Yeah, there's not a single other person for twenty minutes. 22:41 Oh no, no, I'm sure there's other men who finished, I guess, probably yeah, yeah, there's probably yeah, it wasn't. She didn't get second place overall. Yeah, she got okay. She was the first woman to finish yeah and the Boston Marathon is interesting to actually and that's how they time to is that every minute that a man runs is actually you know every minute that a woman runs is point seven a half long. Yeah, so the time is a little skew. a little yeah, it's a little different no, but the Boston Marathon is interesting. I don't know if you knew this and let see if I can find this picture. The Boston Marathon 23:11 it's it's. I don't know what the right way to say this is, but it's like it's coed. So you have at the same time you have men and women running and they're all getting their different times and they're getting medals for their. think everyone knows what coed means. Well, I guess not everyone you guys went to a crappy little public school, didn't you? So I'm just in it now angry. So they have all their like 23:38 their different times and their different podium, but it's also a different ability level at the same race too. So it's like you're in the marathon with with the people, disabilities and wheelchairs, which is very interesting. I never knew that. I don't know how long they've been doing that, but this is that this is the same marathon that she ran in, which honestly that's way more impressive to me. You know how mad I would be. It is. It is pretty crazy for you to be running a marathon and be at pace with someone in a wheelchair. 24:04 Like that's what I'm saying. That's pretty. That's like whenever I ran at the YMCA track in in Springfield, that outdoor track they got and there was this guy who had to be a hundred and twelve who was out there and he passed me and I literally stopped and went to my car. I was like I can't do this. I can't, I can't let this ancient Jerry act trick bag of bones run past me and keep my confidence. I can't do it. 24:34 I had to go home. I was like, know what I'm good at lifting all live. I bet he can't lift more than me and then he could and I had to I had to drive to my car and I had drive to my car. I guess I had to go to my car and I cried and I was like wow, I got out lifted and you had to be like I it can't eat more Mcdoubles than me. Yeah, that's what I had to do. I had to start doing eating competitions. I saw this on some way to win. I this on a podcast the other day. I'm going to ask you this because I'm curious what your opinion is. Do you think 25:03 what would you rather do? You know who John Jones is? Nope. I'll show you a picture of them. Okay, if you're listening and you don't know, John Jones is like a world champion UFC fighter, a freak, freak of a specimen like heavyweight or like heavyweight yeah and just massive. This is this if it has some force perspective. 25:32 What was that guy? What was the big UFC fighter when we were kids? What was his name? Not like Kimba or something like that Kimbo slice Kimbo slice. Was he UFC? Was or was he W? I thought he was like a real fighter. Yeah, I think was he a boxer? Did he do USC? He was big right? He might have done USC. Yeah, he did do USC. You're right. You're right. Yeah, he was huge. He was huge. So here's here's the the question. 26:01 Here's here's John Jones. Okay, I love the not like huge though. Yeah, he might cut weight for this honestly, because he does look a little small. He's very, he's very yeah. I mean he's he's jacked. Don't get us wrong, but he's not like, you know, so the question is, would you rather get in the ring and fight John Jones? Okay, okay. Or would you rather get in the ring and hold on? Let me show you the other guy and see if he you 26:30 or would you rather compete against your this guy? Would you rather compete in? Would you rather compete against this guy? Oh and in competition at Joey chestnut, I think I could beat Joey chest or John chestnut or John John Jones. You're not going to fight Joey chestnut. I'm going to fight Joey chestnut. That's easy. 26:55 I could beat the crap out of Joey chestnut. No, no, no, that's not the question is would you rather I rather UFC fight John Jones, John Jones, yeah or would you rather hot dog eating contest? Joey chestnut, I think I'd rather hot dog eat contest golly. Hey, first of all, yeah, you need to recognize he's a world record holder. 27:16 I don't know if you know this, but he listen out listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, 27:35 if you're in a hot dog getting contest against Joey chestnut and you realize pretty quick. I don't know a couple hot dogs in that you're not going to win this thing. You can just stop. You know saying like you can just leave. I dogs don't have to hurt you. I don't have to hurt you. Is easy to say that's what I'm saying like, but if you're in a ring with John Jones, you're only your only way out is submission. 28:03 Yeah, yeah, you either get knocked out or you tap out. Yeah, you could you could to grapple to still a floor go quick. You just sit down immediately. Isn't you look really bad? You look so bad for that, but in a hot dog kind of you can try to fake it and be like I'm really trying and like really slowly eat these hot. I'm like yeah, yeah, you know, and then you only down seven to his seventy three. That's not the thing though. It's like it's like you have to put in max effort. 28:30 whatever it is you're putting max. I'm saying you're going max effort. You're going with the hot dog. You're like okay, I'm doing I'm doing it, but when you realize there's a point where it's like it's kind of like you know kind of like the third quarter of the super bowl when you realize this isn't turning around. Yeah, okay, let's not ship the pressure a little bit here. It's not just you're getting a lot to get here. Not just hold on. I thought you're not just trying to see who like what get in the ring and right. You're not just it's you have to win in one of these 28:59 or you die and so you're fighting for your oh it's Joey just under John Jones. Who do you feel like you have better odds against fighting John Jones or eating more hot dogs than Joey chestnut, which reminder Joey chestnut has eight eighty three hot dogs and less than ten minutes before sure I'm saying either way. 29:22 you win, but at what cost you know it's like it's like dude, it's like the end of in order to game. John Jones, you got to bite his ear off. You don't say like you got to play super dirty. What did it beat him? But then you're also like a couple of broken bones. You're pretty roughed up your beat. Yeah, yeah, you beat Joey chestnut, but you've had to eighty four hot dogs in ten minutes. You're pretty 29:52 roughed up yeah. You're you might never hear of the brink of death either way yeah yeah for sure for sure and really what it comes down to is you should in this scenario start to question what kind of system set me up that either way I could really win that to win. I would really have to I would have to and you should start questioning the system and that's what happens when you think about these scenarios for more than twelve seconds. Okay, but honestly I think 30:22 I think this is going to sound crazy. You think you could be John Jones because you're stupid. You're a now. think somehow the odds are a little bit better with John Jones than they are Joey chestnut. I don't think I have a physical possibility yeah, I I think I more window of luck with John Jones. think so too, because like I think it's very well placed hit or a misplaced hit on his part. I've you yeah yeah, when it break their leg, you I thought we yeah 30:49 there's more room for error in that fight, but also you could die. Yeah, very. I mean, yeah, your odds are not good, but somehow they're a little better. There's somehow a little better anyways. That was really worth that. Thanks. So Rosie, she finishes this race and that's okay. I don't, I don't imagine anyone's really looking up Rosie. You know what saying? Like some of our topics, like if we did all this in like the freaking Montauk project episode or something, 31:18 that'd be a little different. This is one of those stories where it's like no one's here for rosy. I'm here for rosy okay. Bill Rogers is on the podium mixer who would want rosy bill bills. Jesus would want. No, it was the Matt Chandler, sir, you know talking about. I thought you were doing the grab us. I know yeah I was doing anyways, so bill 31:45 Give us Rosie. is getting his medal and he's on the podium and he's looking over at the women's podium at Rosie and he's like, you look weird. He's looking at her and he's like, she's wearing sleeves and he's like, sleeves. Yeah. He's like, he's like elite runners. We don't wear sleeves if you're running at this level. Yeah, they'll go sleeveless because you chafe. Okay. And so she's like, she's like, that's not he's like, that's curious. And he looks at her legs and she's like, and he's like, those aren't 32:14 the runners legs. I wasn't going to say that you pulled this picture. I was like well look and then I stopped myself because I was like I'm I'm not trying to body shame Rosie, but yeah she does not have the appearance of here to be a person of an elite runner lives in the cardio space. Yeah, she doesn't look like an elite marathon runner because like here these are runners and their legs are just like in their arms. Everything about them is scrawny here. 32:42 because they're running more. Their legs are more muscular and their their limbs are are scronny because they run so much. Yeah, it goes over to her and he asks her and he goes, hey, why your legs so bad? do you look like that? You know, he also notices she's like, he's like, you're you look like you've been running right, but you don't look like you've been running a marathon. Like you're not that sweaty. You're not he in and he goes, he goes 33:11 How far did you actually run? 33:15 he's like he's like hey, what kind of shoes do you wear? You smell like beef and she will know that's a reference. People don't know that people don't know, so he confronts her essentially yeah. He comes over and he says he says hey, a twenty five minutes to shave off your time in four months is kind of crazy crazy. What'd you do? And so he says have you been doing intervals and she's like she's like yeah, she's like I don't know what that is and she and he's like what are your splits and she's like I don't know what that is and so a bunch of the other runners start 33:44 talking to her and being like. I don't understand how she did this. Who's your trainer and she's like I'm so just run and she's like I don't have a trainer. I'm just doing it. I'm training on my own and then so there's a reporter after the ceremony. All this stuff is happening. The reporter comes to talk to her and is like is like hey, a performance yeah incredible. You shaved twenty five minutes off your time at the New York City Marathon just a few months ago. How do you do it? Who's your trainer and she's like I don't have a trainer. I'm doing it on my own self trained yeah, self taught 34:14 And then she's like, that's crazy. She's like, you been doing speed intervals? there's a video of her and she says, everybody's been asking me that. I don't know what those are. And she's like, oh, she's like, well, typically you would think that someone who increased their time so much. at this caliber. would be doing some sort of speed training. It's pretty impressive that you were able to shave that much time without having any training. then on that video, she asked us, what are your splits? And she's like, I'm going be honest, I don't know what those are. I can't do the splits. 34:45 What she's like? I would say I would say my favorite are banana enough. like but and so like banana splits are pretty overrated to be honest very as a fat guy. Let me tell you the best ice cream desserts is just like a normal like scoop ice cream with some chocolate syrup on it. When you over complicate it with others like you put maybe some more o crumbles on that thing 35:11 you put gummy worms in there straight, mea worms mess that you like. That's terrible. Like it's just like yeah, because gummy worms and ice cream. It's like oh, it's like the what do they call that? Like they're like oh, it's like mud right because the mud and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All it happens is the gummy worms get hard. They do get and then you put them in your mouth and then yeah, I like four hundred pounds. If you need other tips on how to be a fat person, this is tips from a fapper. 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It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 36:43 So another curious thing about this race, some of the other female can contenders asked her what they thought what she thought of the neighborhood of well is Lee well this Lee okay, because two things one well is Lee beautiful neighborhood running through sure yeah beautiful neighborhood, obviously like a very cool side of Boston, but there's a college there that is known for whenever the women runners come through. They lose their minds for all the female runners and she did not 37:11 didn't mention that at all yeah. They're like. What do you think of well? They lose their minds for all the female runners like an a for them way it's positive yeah. Okay, totally supportive. They're not like we calling it's not cat calling. They're like you think of that very support. were throwing beads at you. No, it's very supportive, very supportive, okay, okay, okay, yeah, and she did not mention it at all. She was like it was a very pretty neighborhood. She's like this beautiful neighborhood yeah and they're like 37:41 not weird. And then there was an interesting thing because at the 17 mile mark, Patti Lyons said that she was told that she was second among the women. And at the 18 mile mark, Jacqueline Garreau was told that she was first among the women. And so to be that close to the end of the race, to be told that you're leading the pack and then to end up having someone else beat you and not just beat you but like crush you, is very surprising. And so there was a lot of questions starting to come out. 38:11 over the subsequent days an investigation was started because they were like there's no way that she actually did this and pulled this off and long story short what they started doing is they interviewed a bunch of people that were there they asked some questions to a lot of other runners and this ends up going to a court case and in the case there is it like a prize for winning. I don't think there's like a cash prize but I think that like they do get medals. I don't know if there is a cash prize actually I feel like there would be 38:41 Let's see it's a lot of work to not get paid. There is, but they didn't start doing it until eighty six. Okay, yeah and so that was just for the men yeah so and that's now it's a hundred thousand but oh my gosh, but to go from nothing to build it up towards like that's a full time because that's what I'm saying. There's people who like their full time job is to win marathons yeah yeah and I mean if you run enough marathons like yeah, especially if they're pricing mass yeah yeah and you can get sponsored. I bet 39:11 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you got to sponsorships, but anyways, so this ends up going to a court case. So we saw that picture. This is the like one supporter she ever got and this started to clearly bother her. She was very upset that people did not believe that she ran this marathon and so this was making national news. I love watching scammers cry. This made national news and a lot of people were digging into her and her story and trying to figure out what's going on. How do yeah and so 39:39 to find out how this happened. We have to go back to the beginning. She was born in Havana, Cuba. How long are we in this episode worth? We're thirty eight minutes in world fifty nine. Oh my we've got a little bit out though. 39:53 and she was born in nine to fifty three in Havana, Cuba, shortly after she moved to Memphis, Florida, which I've got a picture of Memphis, Florida, not Memphis, Memphis, Florida. Looks like this 40:08 We had so much to get to. Now Memphis, Florida, she moves to Memphis, Florida, is there for only a couple years and then she moves to Hollywood, Florida because she was separated from her mother and ends up living with her aunts and uncles and grows up there ends up going to Wayne State College in Nebraska and she graduates with a music degree useless degree. 40:37 Okay, she got just a music degree, but maybe most noteworthy thing in her whole story is while she's in college, she's in a car accident as a pretty severe car accident. She gets a traumatic hand injury and shortly after, I don't know if it's a result of the head injury. Maybe I don't know, but she ends up being diagnosed with a brain tumor, but it's benign, but it is a fairly large tumor brain tumor. And so 41:05 they leave it because they think it's more dangerous because benign it was more dangerous to try to get it out than it was to just leave it. So she's living her life with this brain tumor now benign but a brain tumor. And so in the 70s after she graduates she moves to New York City where she gets a job with metal traders a commodities firm and she's just kind of doing like admin work for them. And she really out of the blue was like I want to run in the New York City Marathon. 41:33 And so she tried to qualify for it, but she didn't qualify for the marathon. So she calls the marathon operators, and this is months before the marathon starts, the organization that runs it. She calls them and she says, Hey, I have brain cancer. This is my make a wish. I would love to run the marathon. And they said, okay. 41:57 Okay, and so they let her run the marathon and so she shows up, they have marathon. All our coworkers are like super supportive. They're like very excited to see her run in this marathon because I don't know if she's told them she has brain cancer too. She doesn't. I mean she has a tumor but she's not like so she has brain cancer. mean I guess yeah but it's not like it's benign, you know. Oh and so she goes and she runs in this race. 42:25 she starts the race yeah and she starts this race earnestly. She just I think she believes she could do it. She gets that she's not a run gets a couple hot dogs in realizes she's not going to win this battle, so she sits down and taps out on the floor. She goes like what are you doing people that bring answer? Let me do it all right. They let you do it when you're breaking and so she runs a few miles and she starts to realize this is harder than I thought it was going to be. 42:52 Yeah, so she's in the middle of this running one miles pretty it's pretty hard and so she runs and she she's running and she notices the subway station and so she just kind of slows down and sneaks her way into the subway gets on the train and takes the train to central park, which is near the finish line, takes the train all the way to central park and she feels like oh there's 43:19 enough people here, like this is a crowded city. There's a lot going on. she just was going to sneak back in and to the finish line. She didn't mean to win. Yeah. So a matter of fact, she's talking to another girl on the subway who's a freelance photographer. Yeah. And the freelance photographer is like, are you here for the marathon? She's like, yeah. And she's like, I am. I'm going to go photograph the finish. And she's like, that's awesome. She's like, I actually injured my ankle. And she's like, I was running it, but I injured my ankle. So I'm just, I'm just taking the subway to the end. She's like, I'm done. 43:49 fully intending to just sneak back into the race. Yeah, took the subway. She gets there and she waits for like more runners to pass by and then she just sneaks out of the crowd and just starts running again and then finishes. And so in the New York Marathon, she finished 11th overall the time of two 59 right and 29 seconds, which was still a very good time. Like she, I think what happened here was she was embarrassed that she went out for this and realized she couldn't finish. 44:18 And so she just snuck into the finish and then she gets what is a pretty good time. And so the marathon runners say, hey, you qualified for the Boston Marathon. You should run in it. And then she's like, oh no, I don't. So she goes, yeah, she goes in. Oh no, I don't think I should do that. But her boss, super supportive, is like, oh no, you should do that. Like that's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Like you should have you had an incredible time. You should do it. 44:48 and she's like, oh no, I couldn't even afford it. I couldn't even get out there. I'll pay for it and yeah, her boss is like, I'll pay for it. I'll cover room board, everything go out there, go run in the race, go do it. And so she's what I'm saying too though. Why do you have to win it? You know, saying like, why wouldn't you, if you're like, okay, I know that I'm lying. Yeah, just get 27th place. So she goes and she runs in this race and the same thing. She runs a couple miles and then sneaks into the Boston subway system and then 45:16 takes the subway and what she does here can do that in the Midwest. We don't have public transportation can't cheat the kids in city marathon. Yeah, we're going to take the street car. What are you going to take an uber actually and so she takes the takes the subway near the end near the finish line and she kind of miscalculates the time she thinks she doesn't plan on winning. 45:41 She's like, I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to come in at the middle of the pack. It's going to be whatever. then so she's sitting there waiting. She sees a few of them and run by and she thinks, okay, it's been long enough. And so she, I guess just jumps the barrier and starts running again and runs into the finish line a couple of miles. And then you, see the pictures, the police come out to help her in. Uh, and she is shocked that she wins first place. 46:08 and it's very clear you can see her reactions when she starts getting the crown at it and the metal she's like blown away, but she's like it's kind of that. Oh, I'm into deep sort of situation. You got to like lead in where so she just like starts living and continuing the lie and there's also kind of the like weird gray area where it's like oh my boss paid for this because he thinks I can do this and I'm really good and then I accidentally won this race and so she gray area. I think it's just pretty clear 46:39 So she gets the medal and then they do this eight day investigation and in that investigation they interview a lot of people, they talk to a lot of people, they ask her a lot of questions. And then they actually do some tests on her and as a part of the test they actually do like actual like physical tests on her and so they find out that her resting heart rate is 76 beats per minute. so I mean for a world-class runner you'd 47:06 but expect like should be yeah, and so everyone's like there's no way way you're you went from two fifty takes to two thirty one and you're resting already seventy six as there's not a chance, and so they they're doing all these investigations for brink and then a and then a couple hard harvard students come forward and they say hey. We actually saw her jump out of the out of the crowd about a half mile from the finish. 47:31 and continue running. And that was kind of the testimony that was like, she faked it. So they end up rescinding her, her win. And they gave it to the girl who was next in line, which was Jacqueline Garreau. And so she became the first place winner, but Rosie still like was so doubled down. She refused to acknowledge it. And she said, they're taking my win away from me. And she refused to return her medal. And so she held onto that medal until the day she died. 47:59 and she continued to hold on to the fact that whatever who cares what are they going to rip it out of your hands as she continued to tell everyone she won that marathon shortly after New York City did their own investigation as well because they're like oh you probably aren't and they found that freelance photographer and the freelance photographers like yeah she rode the subway half the race like more than half the race with me and she told me she was injured and so then they took away her win there when all of this 48:28 blows up. This is like a week long thing. It's in the news. Everyone's talking about it. Everyone's taken side. Is it rosy? Is it whatever? Is it rosier versus Boston Marathon? Who won? Who's the, who's the guy when this all breaks her boss is like, Hey, you're fired. Yeah, like you lied to me and you spent a bunch of my money. We're a family here and families are built on trust. And so the system, the background, 48:58 Mm yeah, he's got a hype man assistant. You know, I'm like the boss is like is the eighties and the boss is like you're firing the boss and the assistance back to like you know back then assistance had a pathway to a higher role in the organization. You could start in his assistant. You could work your way up within the organization. You might one day become the CEO of that company. When they become that pathway is gone. Now you have to now you had to have been born the son of the CEO 49:28 so so anyways, so so he's she gets fired yeah and she goes and she gets a job. Here's a little. This is shocking and honestly, if you ever are applying for a job, she and you're like on like the board of the race, that would be gold. No, if you're ever look, if you're ever applying for a job and you're like man, they're asking for a lot of information for me. Here's why she went and immediately after this 49:58 she got a job for a real estate company as their bookkeeper because they were like, yeah, you seem trustworthy. You can handle our books. so she, it used to be so easy. She gets a job as a bookkeeper and two years later she is arrested for embezzling $60,000 now worth $195,000 today from this real estate company. And so she spends a week in jail for that and then five years probation, which seems 50:25 worth it honestly, not worth it and then she moves to South Florida again. We've talked about this on the show all the time. How long would you spend in jail? You know saying like if you could, if you could pull off yeah yeah a lifestyle for a couple years yeah, the trade off yeah you got to pay it back eventually, but you know yeah and then immediately after she gives she her probation and she moves to South Florida 50:55 where she starts a cocaine ring and she starts peddling cocaine over real yeah for sure yeah and so in eighty three she gets a rest joking earlier. It's so crazy how many of my jokes turned out to be storylines. You know saying yeah yeah yeah yeah and so she she 51:15 became she got caught for her involvement in this cocaine ring and she again just three years. They know there if there's stuff that we know she's not good at it's getting away with stuff you know like she's not good at thinking through crime yeah and and then she ends up actually dying of cancer at age 66. I don't know if it was the same brain tumor if it was something else but it's very interesting in 2000 she still and to in the year 2000 said that I 51:45 I ran that race. I run that won that race. Steve Merrick, who is actually this guy right here, which America is kind of a cool name. I'm not going to lie. The guy behind her, guy behind her that you can barely see. You just see like this guy right here. Okay, he's the only person who was like supporting her through all this and I don't really know his relationship to her. Like it was, guess, a just fan close friend and then he said we know the relation with his friend and friend zone. He said that 52:11 in the year 2000, he came out, came forward and said that, yeah, you know, a few months after the race, she admitted to me that she jumped out of the crowd, not knowing that the first woman hadn't already gone by. She was just as shocked as everyone else when she came in first. And she just hasn't been able to like come clean about that. But she did come clean to me, is what he said. And he was he was pretty upset about it he was like the like strongest, like starkest defender of her. He's like, no, she really did it. 52:41 Yeah, so that's the story of how rosy Ruiz, I guess, like accidentally won the Boston Marathon and then got it taken away from her along with all of her prison time for breaking the law. Yeah, so that's rosy Ruiz. Wow! Okay, remember kids, the streets she ran on were paved by American tax dollars. 53:09 And the government is not against you. The government is you. We are the government. We are a society of people who pay into the collective. That's what we do. And any attempt to convince you otherwise is an attempt to exert power and control over you. Power and control over you. 53:31 but you could win the Boston Marathon. If you just do you just lie, anything's possible. Anything's possible. If you lie, anything's possible. 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