Was George W. Bush Looking for Portals? | Iraqi Stargates Ep 250

11-19-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 there's a theory that the United States invaded Iraq in order to stop Saddam Hussein from opening a portal to another planet. Yeah, two thousand years ago there was a portal that was discovered by ancient Sumerians and they built a temple around it to house it and worship it or something that whatever the ancients would do in the during the Iraq War, Saddam Hussein was trying to rebuild it and gain access to that and so they didn't have weapons of mass destruction. This was the justification that they gave in order to start the Iraq War. 00:29 I don't believe any of that, but we'll I believe a hundred percent of it. We'll go through the story of the theory and what happened. This is a comedy podcast. We we go through and learn different things each week and we joke around the whole time. If you're here for the topic, you're going to enjoy the show. You're going to love this a lot. 00:49 it's November, 19th. What's happening this weekend? I am in Kansas City and then I am in Dallas Longview and Waco, Texas, very excited to be in Texas this weekend and then next weekend is Thanksgiving, so we get to hang out and with a family and stuff. So yeah yeah, love to just have gratitude. All my shows are listed somewhere. You can find them and and then it right now. Next week's episode is available to our Patreon supporters. If you want to listen and follow along on Patreon, 01:16 You can't do that. We don't make any money off this. It's just a way to support the show and help us keep making episodes. So finish this one and the next week's episode is ready for you right now. This minute, so let's jump into Stargate 01:36 Have you ever heard of Iraq? 01:39 okay, now I by being Iraq, but like specifically the Stargate in Iraq. I give so many recommendations for episodes and you still are just like you ever heard about the Iraq War and you're like I don't want to do this. This isn't the Iraq War. I mean I guess it is related to the Iraq War will come on. So I'm saying you heard about the Middle East. You're like I don't want to do this dude. 02:07 do another little Caesar's episode. Okay, roll the theme song. There's a Nat in here and as it got away, singular or episodes, there's a singular Nat in this studio. It leaves us alone until we start shooting golly. Anyway, go here's the topic and it gets fired up. Yeah, so here's I don't know how to start this episode. You know what a stargate is. Have you ever heard of it? Is it a? Is it a space thing? 02:34 No, it's a movie. So here we have a movie prop. So this is sure the a star gate for the movie Stargate. Is this what they modeled that like portal after one or the Time Square Port? Probably honestly yeah. If you're listening, it's a circle and the circles got a big hole in it. Yeah, it looks like every movie where it's like they turn it on and it goes and then it's like a 03:00 weird flowy portal thing and you can see through it and you can walk through it. It looks like any like two thousands Disney Channel bumper inside of it or it's like very liquidy and like yeah for sure. So this is a star gate. So the concept from the movie is basically there are these hidden stargates around the planet that are like hidden like archaeological discoveries that need to be made and these stargates are ancient alien technology that are warm holes. 03:29 and those wormholes take you to different planets. Sure they, but they they're they're like connected to a single other gate somewhere else in the galaxy and that's how you get there. And so the whole movie is out of no, I haven't seen the movie. Sure so the whole movie and they eventually got this other alien like portal movie. I watched there's like a wardrobe and this girl walks through it and it's it's actually like a honestly whole fantasy land back there. 03:59 and there's a witch and there's some Turkish delight, which as a kid you're like that must be so delicious for him to betray his family and then you try at one time because you're like oh, it's in the it's just it's nothing. It's so bad. It's like yeah, it's not we're also raised on freaking cosmic brownies. So yeah, yeah, but anyway, that's a good point. That is a good point. Are you telling me the wardrobes in Iraq? Honestly, now that you're saying that 04:27 I would not be surprised at this that white, which that is Osama bin Laden. I would not be surprised if that was the inspiration for the Stargate movies franchise now that you're saying that because it's the same concept, but instead of a small British girl finds a what it was the US military first person she talks to when she goes to the portal a half goat half man. I mean it's an alien. Are we claiming the star gets a direct rip off of the line, the which in the wardrobe? I mean I haven't seen it, so I don't know, but it 04:57 could be. All I'm saying is it might be there is there is a lion in it and that lion, the life name is Jesus and stuff. It were a little less on the nose. Yeah, he's going to die for our sins later, so the movie franchise was a fairly large ish movie franchise got spun off into a tv show. I have to do with Iraq. You'll find out got spun off into a tv show. 05:26 whatever. Here's the thing. Allegedly these are real and the movie is based off reality. Are you so in this? I don't know. You wanted to learn something I'm teaching you, so these are based off reality. So here is a real life stargate. Allegedly these sorts of things are apparently found. Where is this one? I don't know. It looks like main or something. 05:56 okay, if you're going to do it, if you're going to fully commit, here's the thing you don't even believe this stuff anymore. I can just feel it whenever you're talking like I don't know man made anyway star gates is a it's a this is how you're talking so far. You used to try to sell this stuff now. You're just like we're going to talk about the star because I used to believe it's real 06:22 Okay, no, Jaron's giving me twenty solid topics the last year and I have me twenty. You've given me one. It's just that one guy over and over again. You just keep telling me to do that one therapist. You had one good experience with a therapist and now you're all into it. Yeah, I'm gonna show you right now how many freaking episode ideas I've given you. Okay, great, don't say them because I'm probably still going to use them. They're in my list. 06:50 All right. Number one Stargate. 06:57 gosh, you've been getting me a lot lately with stuff like that water. The other day comedy of subverting your expectations are just not. Normally, I can see where your brains go great. So I let's see neoclassical architecture in more interesting and then let's see let's see argument that these are a shot. 07:25 I don't know what that is. I told you not to say these because these are on my list. I'm probably still going to they're not on your list. Yes, they are on my list. Did we already do yeah? We hold on 07:40 Oh, are you finding something that I've done? No, I was that what's happening. You're saying oh, oh, oh, so he's done this in fifteen eighty two. The calendar goes from Thursday, fourth of October and was followed by Friday, the fifteenth of October. There are ten missing days in history. This is something I've sent you showing prove it. 08:02 I've sent this to you show me, show me the text, show me the thread. I don't I don't recognize that February 5th, twenty twenty three twenty twenty three. That's why I don't remember that. I can't remember stuff from our own show last month. What do you, what do you think about a represent for twenty twenty three? 08:22 What was my response? Was it? Oh, what did I say? You're an a half ago? Are you sitting me a bunch of ideas for an episode and then I just completely ignored it and we did stuff that was stupid like Stargate? Did you all know that a whole year and a half we could add some really good ideas like the time there were ten days missing in history in fifteen eighty two. What did I say? What did I say? What was my response? 08:46 you summed up to say a class. You the next text you said was. Did you want to move our meeting from eleven to now? 08:59 Well, look, look, here's the thing. Now we've got a notion, shared notion board. You can actually put the ideas in there. Well, no, they saved. Oh, this is well. No, I'm never going to forget it. The next text I sent you was my trainer's dog just died in the middle of our session. 09:21 that was a really sad day. I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos and to sensitize me. That's why I have to gym and my trainer was just like hold on the vets calling and then and then he literally like was just. I mean he was just trot and so as he would be yeah he was like let's keep finishing this work. I was like go home yeah. You don't have to do that go home to your wife yeah. 09:43 Oh, it was a sad day. So anyway, that's probably why you forgot you were like so traumatized by the death of yeah, my trainers dog yeah. Honestly, what probably happened is you sent me that I saw it. I thumbed up it because I was like oh, that's a good idea and then I forgot about it. Didn't put it in your planner. Yeah, well, no, what I was saying just now while you were reading about you, the dog was now we got the notion board now that we share. Oh yeah, just add it directly. We are sponsored by notion. You can sign up with our referral link. I think we actually 10:12 can give a referral. Oh yeah, we should set that up. I called Zach Mayfield the other day, oh my gosh, and I said hey man, I'm doing a new YouTube project for I'm trying to solve this crime, trying to find some some B roll footage. What what subscriptions do you use and he said hold on, let me send you my referral link. I hung up. I said what do you think I have a one of your subscribers? Yeah, you can't you can't you should 10:35 but for everything you send a link to someone you should send a referral link, but you should not say also you my referral just send the link just in the link to send the link. You know how many people you know much much money I have made. The only way I'm able to afford my whole lifestyle is the number of people who have used my referral links to buy the Coleman Salu Spa inflatable hot. I send this link to everybody 11:03 It's actually the like when I share my contact with new people. I go hey by Jaron Myers also let me send you some real quick. I send a referral. You share your con. You send your contact, but before you do you send that link and you're like oh sorry wrong, wrong like Mr. Coleman has called me himself and said yeah, he sounds crazy. That's what he sounds like. Wait, is that the same cold the Colman Grills Coleman? Is that the same Coleman? 11:29 No, okay, yes, no, no, who you're thinking of? No, it's not that guy. Okay, I'm thinking of the early two thousands and five marshals guy. Yeah, you're thinking of Gary Coleman. Yes, yeah, yeah, I don't think that the size pause. I mean could be honestly hand in hand that product. I bet he makes the grills. I bet he uses the grills in the spot. No, you're thinking of 11:53 you're George Foreman, no, no, no, no, no, no, I know Foreman had the grills, but I also know Coleman also had the grills and also did the infomercials. They did him at the same time and that was what was so funny about it. Here's how you're here. Here's how your thought way you went George Foreman, Gary Coleman, who is like the actor in the Jefferson's right. I don't know all I know Willis all Gary Coleman. All I know is both of them had grills and they were doing 12:22 infomercials at the same time in the early two thousands and they sounded Coleman and Foreman were super similar home and grill. Am I right? No Alex Coleman is like just a brand yeah, but they make reals right now. We are we are. We're attaching Gary Coleman to it just because George Foreman did a grill and we're like that black guy did a grill. So that's that's actually on us for doing that to be honest. That's that's on us. 12:50 I don't think Gary Colman is is is related to don't write it down. That's re that's if anything, that's the healthy thing for us to do. That's us learning knowledge, our own little moment right there. That's us learning how much we suck where George Foreman has a grill. Gary Coleman not related at all to the Coleman outdoor franchise break. Yeah, I mean him 13:16 might be like he might have some common products. This is what happens is that you are faced with facts and you go I couldn't possibly be wrong. All right, so Stargate okay is real. Do we know where that one one was this one? No, I've got no idea, but but I'm saying was that just found this one? Probably this one, probably not. I'm going to be honest with you looks like it's like you know clearly made and 13:47 yeah, yeah, those stones look newer than the surroundings kind of thing like yeah. Most likely this was people act like this is what ruins would look like if they found them, but have you have you broke stuff before what have you what stuff have you broke stuff before it doesn't look this nice true, but if you have you look up the Mayan ruins before they were excavated. Oh yeah, yeah, 14:10 so people act like that's what like they're just going to stumble across that and be like these are ancient ruins and it's like no, no, no, the ancient ruins that you're thinking of had to be literally dug out like uncovered here. I'll pull up a little before and after yeah, so you can see my point that I'm making. Thank you so much. All right, you ready for this? Yeah, so before like when it was discovered, this is what it looked like right, and then this is after they were still accord it. 14:40 you exactly yeah. See the absolutely different one yeah. That doesn't look like that at all, not even the same thing. 14:49 Yeah, they had to essentially just rebuild the thing, which is wild. They rebuilt it. I mean they rebuilt the top. The top was not on there. The top was not on there and then they polished the heck out of it. They mowed the lawn. This is honestly, honestly, if you're an archaeologist, hold on, let it turn it to my camera. If you're an archaeologist right now and you're out are archaeologizing, I'm sure you're probably your universities probably counting you to start a tick tock and 15:19 make there be some more interest, and go into a massive amount of debt from home all the time, so that way they can't have here's what you need to do. He's like, hey, can I clean up your yard? 15:45 and then he does it and it's like a time lapse and he mows the lawn and he likes power washes everything do that but with pyramids. If you do that with pyramids you find million views on tick tock ten million views on tick tock honestly probably a hundred million views on tick tock. You just film yourself cleaning archaeology done done new Kanye West. If you do that so. 16:10 Gary Coleman didn't have kid for twenty years. 16:19 All right, let's get back to it. Okay, so we got different strokes is what he was on different strokes, which is the jefferson's. Okay, here's the thing. We are now seventeen minutes into this topic and we haven't talked at all. This is a topic that people are going to get a randomly find us for. So this is perfect. All right star gates. So the story is that there are these hidden star here. See this is 16:46 add this to your list. There's a conspiracy that Gary Coleman was murdered by his wife. Are you serious? Yeah, wow. Did we just discover a new topic together? 17:00 Okay, so the star gates I'm saying like clearly that one was made I so star gates. So here's how this here's the other story goes. There are a series of star gates in the world and our has got one of them. The North Pole's got one of them Egypt's got one of them and they're typically hidden within like major archaeology, archaeological sites and or places that are very hard to get. Plot still no we're in real life. We're in real life now we're in the theory and so you might remember we did a story 17:30 on. Oh, what was that guy's name Admiral Bird? I think in that article where he found that hole in an article that was a book now close, but another conspiracy theory okay, and it was this US Admiral that found a hole that went to the center of the earth. There was a whole world in there. Oh yes, yeah, it was another project that in yeah, something like that sure, but they very similar concept and art because the earth and people who live down there and all that stuff. Yeah sure, 18:00 another conspiracy that instead there's a star game. That's how they get to and from earth, the aliens. Okay, and so the story is that there is one of these inside the great ziggurat of er. Have you seen this before? Here's what it used to look like back when it was great before it fell apart sure and here it is today and this actually ironically we already looked at some pyramids that were restored. This was restored by Saddam Hussein 18:29 I don't know if I have a before picture of it. Do you just quit halfway through or yeah? We started trying to kill him, so that's why okay. Let me see if I can find one before restoration, but yeah, so that that whole yeah. Here it is. Gosh, that's crazy. It's very it's how much they were sorted. Yeah, it's wild that we talked about this before bringing up this part of the topic and it's essentially the same thing. This is nuts. 18:58 it's pretty much this whole gosh. I kind of wish they finished it because it would have been cool. Here we go. Here's what it looked like before you found it. Oh, it was restored. That's crazy and that's what I'm saying. Dude is like look at that. Like you, you couldn't just like you know. How do you look at that and then start to be that we should start digging that 19:23 Yeah, I mean you probably look at the sides and you can clearly tell there's walls there, but you probably would have never guessed that it was this and really was this like it's pretty impressive, but anyway, so the story goes we have like. Why do we know it was that you know saying? I think we have like documentation from the era of what it was built to look like, kind of like the arc where we know it was like the cubits by a cubits and stuff. You know we have descriptions of it 19:56 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 20:08 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 20:41 Why do you constantly try to get us canceled by our Christian audience? Why do you constantly keep trying to bait me into did it actually happen? All right, so the we found Adams belly button and even didn't have belly buttons and I and I will I'll die on that hill, but you know when they found it, it wasn't restored and they had to really do some work to clean it up and realize it was actually a belly but 21:09 with a little brush. It's an archae out yeah. They just thought it was some peat moss and then they started doing some cleaning and they're like holy cow. This is real belly, but I was belly button. He was an out. 21:25 or should it have a belly button? Actually, he should be belly button free. That's what I'm if you're a Adam and Eve both didn't have a button. That's okay. So so the ziggurat of her as the story goes, yeah, the top of this ziggurat of her was once a stargate and that was what it was built for. It was built to make why it had to get destroyed. I don't know if that's why I would say it had to get destroyed, but that's that there was the the stargate up there and so this 21:54 The ziggurat of Ur was built. We got to take this story back in time to early, early Babylon, back to Samaria. Right. To our friend Nebuchadnezzar. I love Nebuchadnezzar. So the bunny, yes. The bunny. I love the bunny. Yes. Yeah. We're going to talk about that story actually in a minute. 22:15 I'm on shad rack, me shack and a bendigo and yeah we are as part of the lore. What is your so not Lord historical fact this in this scenario it's slower, so three men in the Bible worked at a chocolate factory. 22:35 What that's his store was it back? What was it? A P asparagus and who played Shadrack me check in a bend to go in that it was the P and the asparagus right made it right and the tomato wasn't a bomb and Larry. I don't know if Larry was one of the look up VeggieTales Shadrack me Shack a Bendigo 22:59 yeah. We can I'm rack, I'm shack, I'm Benny. We were here. I sure right. It was it was yeah, I guess Bob Larry and the the kid asparagus in your yeah junior. You're right. Why did I think it was the P and the asparagus because the only one that you remember is Jonah where the peas are on the ship and that's a classic or on the hill. They're on they're on the they're on the gate at Niva. Yep, yep, yep, yep. 23:29 because the grapes are on the ship, which yeah, that's an interesting point. Was there ever in other route? So don't do anything. There's a tomato doesn't count. So so before we get to shad rack me checking a mendigo, we need to get to have a cancer, the ancient sumer, and so we have ancient Sumerian text talking about the aninaki. Have you heard of the aninaki? No 23:58 So this is we probably loosely references in some of our alien episodes before, but the anunnaki an alien race, we know, yeah, an alien race from the planet in a beer, which I think we've talked about did talk about this in the super soldier episode. Yes, yeah, and so Nibiru, if you need a refresher is a mythical, maybe m maybe real planet. Did the Nibiru 24:29 did they have a grill? What I put out the I think they had a grill and they were like they had all these infomercials in the early two. I remember this so clearly so Nibiru is the planet that I'm not here from. Nibiru is the planet out past Pluto. It's the mythical ninth or tenth planet depending on what how you feel about Pluto and depending on the mythology. You look at 24:55 the asteroid belt was another planet at one time into these theories that it's like just out of our so you know like oh it's past Pluto. Well, what's absurd is like we can see past to do to say that it's from Jupiter. You know yeah. What's absurd is that we can see out there like why haven't we noticed it yet sure there's 25:17 I will say that's what I mean is like, oh, it's convenient that it's I don't know when these theories were coming up, they probably hadn't seen past Pluto. Yeah, what I will say is like there was the the I don't remember exactly how the story goes. We talked about in our pole shift, a shift episode, but there was like signatures of a gravitational pole of something large outside there. And so it was like, oh, there might be something out there, but we didn't know about it. But this was like the seventeen hundreds or something like that. So there's 25:47 Since then we've realized, oh, that's because some something from Saturn or Jupiter is like and causing an anomalous gravitational field. Sure. Sure. But the story is that the asteroid belt was another planet. Nibiru was this far out planet that has a weird oblong orbit. Yeah. And so every once in a while it crosses paths with a lot of other planets, orbits, and at one point it collided with the planet that was in the asteroid belt and 26:12 blew it up and now the asteroid belt is what's remains of that planet that exploded, which is interesting. No evidence to support that idea other than there's a bunch of rocks over there. And so Nibiru is the planet where the Anunnaki came from. They have a star gate right to earth and that was in modern day Iraq. The Anunnaki were this like special race of aliens that we 26:41 and like our mythology referred to as like angels or something like that, right? And like human mythology, but they're really just aliens in our modern days. Like guys, we understand that the term for that, that we see in the Bible is the Nephilim, the same, the stories overlap. And so there's stories overlap really, really, uh, really well, obviously like there's, there's stuff on both sides that are different, but then there's a middle side in the middle where in both stories, this race came to earth, 27:10 and then reproduced with humans. That was bad and they had to be wiped out. Was the story. And so, Anunnaki or Nephilim. Now, the interesting thing is when we get to the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, they have the fiery furnace thing. The Israelites get taken into Babylon. They all... Fiery furnace is a portal. Yeah, they're all told you have to bow the knee. 27:37 Chad, like me, shook in a bed to go say no, we're not bound the knee to your gods. Nebuchadnezzar and I was just like throw him in the furnace. They throw him in the furnace and then all of a sudden, while they're in the furnace, a fourth figure appears and that's how they discover the portal was within that portal or within the fire furnace was the other portal and so that being came in protected them. The on a knocky or Nephalene figure alien came in, protected them from the fire and then 28:06 nebuchadnezzar was like hold on, turn the fire off. I need to talk to that guy, talk to that guy, found out. Oh, there's alien power here. Then they build the ziggurat of her around it to like encase this thing and it's like whole. That's part of it wasn't in the thing though. Oh yeah, yeah and the that in the vegetal story it was nebuchadnezzar like all want to follow Jesus now. Can we pray the sinner's prayer in the fire 28:34 or how's the lyric go? It's just there's another in the fire. There's another in the fire. Yeah, which is pretty hard. Honestly, just about a pivot to doing worship music because the standards are low and it's you know, or Christian music at all because like all people want is something they can listen to in the car with their kids. Yeah, that's all they want. Yeah and it not be like I am blue 29:03 you are green. You know they want like something like sounds fine to listen to that's why lyrics are just like God. You're good. You are cool. Jesus is my friend. Yeah, you know and it's just like all right. Let's it's so bad. I would rather listen to the first one. I actually saw a worship leader post a thing where he said the reason that K love music or like those worship songs are bad. Yeah, it's because they can't be musically complicated. 29:32 Yeah, because local youth pastors have to be able to play them yeah, because they're making it for bad people. Yeah, your small town acoustic guitar worship leader has to be able to sing this song yeah, so they can't make it difficult to play. They can't can't make it good chords. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is fair. I think that changed a little bit in the twenty tens. There was a brief period there where yeah we started getting good music and he was not even free and really all of hill song was like 30:00 forget you guys. We don't care if you can play this week, then we saw what happens when you depart from four cords. Then you start to get the down, don't you know song was a was a minor seven 30:21 and so they built the ziggurat to house the the stargate, which is like it's, but this is a believable other stories were never can as or does this or is it just this like stargate theory? I actually don't never has no build the yeah. The ziggurat of her was during never has measures rain and the story line from history is the same thing. You always hear it's like a temple or a bear, but you know those type sorts of things. I think it's a temple. It was 30:48 was what the story was. I don't remember how the story is didn't in the Bible didn't have a Kneser turn yeah he turned yeah yeah, but it that there's no evidence that he did that and turn real. If you don't know the story of the Bible, it sounds like we're like yeah he turned you know you mean he he turned a high stinking. He repented and yeah 31:13 Yeah, he turned from his sin, built the temple for God is what it is in the Bible. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but another in the fire, so he goes and builds builds this temple, and this is this is an interesting thing, and you see this a lot with the ancient alien people is a lot of ancient monuments and things like that were built to house 31:43 like religious relics. And so there is a possibility that there was some sort of religious relic that came from some event. Maybe it was shadow wreck me, check in a bend to go. Maybe it was something else entirely and the ziggurat of her did house that significance. Yeah. To that people, right. Um, but the ancient aliens group will always say, well, that was the alien technology that they gave to them. And that's why they had that. That's why it was the sacred thing is cause it was ancient technology. 32:11 So one thing you hear a lot too is the Ark of the Covenant is ancient alien technology. Um, couldn't touch it without. Yeah. That's why it melted you. Cause it was nuclear. Um, which sidebar real quick, I saw this thing today. Uh, it was, uh, one of those radio shows where they like call you after you have a bad date. And it's like, surprise the guys on the line. And it's like, you got to tell us why the date was bad. So she, this girl walked out on the date cause she found out the guy builds. 32:39 or sells nuclear bombs is what he does. She's like I don't want to be involved with any of that. I mean he sells them yeah. That's what it they were like. I don't know if that's yeah. He's like she's like yeah. He like markets for them or something like that and like I don't think that's something anybody does like. I don't think there's a he's like no for your needs. What you're looking for is this beautiful seven seeder. I'll tell you what and it's got the full down dvd player in the bag. It's it's you know yeah this thing it's 33:07 fifteen thousand mega tons. You're going to love it. You're going to love this thing. This is used. Why it's so they had this whole conversation with her and how disgusted she was that he sells markets nuclear bombs because she doesn't believe in that she thinks that's disgusting and then they're like well surprise he's been on the line the whole time listening to everything you have to say and like what do you have to say about you and he's like he's like this was just a giant misunderstanding. He's like here's the deal. He said I don't work 33:36 added with nuclear bombs at all. He's like I'm a I work in a marketing company and our company is called is called new clear marketing. It's like it's like new ideas that are clear marketing. Well, that wasn't very clear bro. I actually think this is she's right because like she's a woe nuclear 34:01 it's literally the name of your company. You idiot nuclear marketing nuclear. I work in nuclear marketing. She's like I don't think I can be with someone support that who thought that was a good 34:17 I'll tell you right now nuclear marketing that's bad marketing. I wouldn't trust that 34:25 that's why you got to go with solar flare media. 34:30 Yeah, I support that. All we do is tear down all the electronics on the planet. Yeah, we don't blow anyone up. We just make it to where you want to blow each other up classic radio anyway. Damn much tell about these star gate so so no do that. You got to talk about that. Well, yours is bad. Never mind ah dang it. You made him go back to space to talking about the star. We opened the portal. You got the star gate opened up 35:01 I'm actually on Planet The Beero! 35:03 ever since you did that because you accidentally applied for nuclear marketing thinking you were applying for nuclear marketing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing ever since Boeing got the contract for the I have been trapped up here just floating out in space and so we crashed on planet since twenty seventeen since we started the podcast right yeah. We just yeah loading out in space. It's kind of shocking that I can get this communication to you in real time for real things to the Anunnaki 35:32 Oh yeah, they've got good communication skills. They really have a harness on their emotions. That's honestly, I've never, they're really good at telling story and crafting the climax and conclusion. Honestly, like something they don't even have to study in school. They're all just naturally born with it. They're really gifted at it. They're really gifted, which is crazy. It makes them really good at marketing and then yeah. 36:01 they actually and writing books, writing books. They write really good. You think talkans a human name? Yeah, that's the thing that a lot of humans don't understand. Oh my God, I what do you think C S Lewis stood for Celestial Super Star? Yeah, the thing like we've been using the stargate at her. Yeah, I'm saying we are not one of them, but we've been here for so long like we've kind of a you're just you're assimilated into the culture is your wife. 36:28 Oh well, sometimes I take the stargate back, but I'm not allowed. I cited in da with the on a knock. Oh, I meant like did you did you end up marrying one of them up there? Oh, I mean I don't mean to say one of them. That's that's not what I mean. I don't mean like them. I mean like I'll shoot. Oh gosh, please don't get me canceled on the nebula planet shoot man. The word, but it's okay. It's literally the most progressive planet. Yeah, these people are really in tune. 36:55 Uh, yeah, I mean, I can go back and visit my wife every once in a while through the star gates. Okay, so you're doing a long distance with your wife. Yeah, it's pretty long distance, but it's FaceTime. You know, it's, it's not the same. Sure. Like New York to London is a long time ever since we got rid of the Concord, but Earth to to Stargate to to the beer is not that bad. So 37:18 so yeah well, I'm glad that you're updating us about your commute. We're going to keep going with the episode. If that's all right space, Tim questions right here at the end of knockies, so they can answer some. If you know, we'd rather just speculate all right sounds good. I know that's what you guys do. I'm glad that all your information is not based in fact, but just kind of made up a little bit. Yeah great. It's a good bit. That's the only way our brains can handle it. That's awesome. Was the Ark real 37:42 the arc was real, but it was actually something that it was like a science fair project for one of the kids up here, but but here's the thing. It's your science fair project is a three panel board where you have to make a boat that's big enough to house two of every creature on this planet. Yeah, we do that all the time because here's the thing the adonaki in our culture stands for destroyer of world. So we go and we blow up and stuff up a lot. That's why we market all these nukes and then but 38:10 but we like animals, so we have to save up. So we can we kill the board by the dinosaurs. Oh, we didn't like those those were weird animals. Our necks were too long. Yeah, you nobody likes long neck animals. Yeah, trying to get rid of the draft for a long time, but it's just resilient man. All right, our classic way to chill 38:33 Galaxy's away co host. No, no, no, we've already our I've outro'd you twice cut his mic. Night, oh where'd I go who so was I talking about before you were to it doesn't matter. 38:57 so it doesn't matter, so they built people who found this episode are destroying so so the ziggurat of her was built to house this this stargate and it existed throughout history for right for a very long time. A lot of year was more caneser like four thousand years ago. I don't know the exact year, but it's two thousand BC something in that ballpark. That's great. I don't know for sure, but it was really, really early 39:27 So they, world powers have learned about this and many world powers have been trying to find star gates. Yeah. Until recently, there's a guy by the name of Saddam Hussein. Here's a picture of him before Disney Photoshopped out his cigar. And here's the exact same picture after they Photoshopped out his cigar. 39:52 It's just a totally different picture. 39:57 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 40:25 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it, so 40:58 So he had this Saddam Hussein had this like, I don't want to say obsession, but kind of an obsession. He won. He believed he was the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar and he wanted to be like Nebuchadnezzar and make Iraq great again or Samaria great again, and that's why he restored the ziggurat of her. It was more it was this wasn't like an archeological project. It was like I am Nebuchadnezzar and so here's a good graphic that lets us yeah. 41:28 that lets us recognize this in our brain. There's never can as there's it on who's saying there's the gate that the British, I think took away the gate of Samaria and now it's in a museum in Great Britain and then there's the on a knocky coming to meet with nebuchadnezzar there in the middle on that stele. Okay, so did Saddam Hussein ever claim to talk to aliens? I don't know if he ever claimed to talk to aliens, but I do think he claimed he was the new 41:58 nebuchadnezzar and was going to be can as or new. I really like that, so he was the new bikineser and he was rebuilding the nation and this gets us to the modern era because a lot of the conflict that happened in Iraq since the eighties. All this theory asserts that it's an attempt to get to this stargate because we want to find that stargate and have you wish there was a stargate there. Yes, and the argument is that 42:26 that was the weapon of mass destruction destruction. Speaking he was clear. Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah, easy. So the argument is that they said they were looking for WMDs. They found the WMD and then they backpedaled and they're like well. We probably shouldn't let everyone know that we found a portal to another planet and so we would rather like think we're war criminals. Yeah, so they're like we were just looking for oil. I guess 42:53 yeah. This was all dick Cheney's idea. Just put it on dick shoulders. That's all right there, but and the the reason for this is obviously we know that the whole Iraq invasion being an adult now is crazy because like we were kids when the Iraq War was happening yeah, and so we didn't. I I'm wondering 43:22 I don't know like what it would have been like to been thirty at that time because now looking back at it, we go. I was really bad. Yeah, it was. It was something I think because of nine eleven right. It was a polarized thing where it was like even if we're not going to get the whole validity of the Iraq war and all that stuff. If you had thoughts about it, yeah, you probably didn't really time say I know that there was heated 43:49 conversations and debates and like probably not up. Yeah, I don't know was the political tension. What like what it is now? Yeah, that's a good question. People really hate dick Cheney because of this. That is a good point and so the people who are children now when they grow up, they're going to be like oh yeah, the all that Trump stuff, huh, and we're going to be like yeah, that was a crazy time thing. Yeah, and they're going to be like. I don't know. I was seven yeah, yeah, that's interesting. 44:19 I was just thinking about it. Yes, I don't remember. I mean I remember my grandma being super. You know my uncle was in the military, so she was super pro like I remember her watching those pictures. I would just see her on her tv all day because Fox News was talking about. Oh yeah, yeah, you know yeah. I think I think and maybe it was just my experience, but I think most of most people were in a world like that where that was the zeitgeist 44:49 Yeah, we're just kind of like people were talking about the Iraq war. Obviously yeah, but we were just kids, but now we didn't get it like kids are more in tune with. I'm saying like I feel like kids are more in tune with what's happening right now. Well, I think kids are more exposed to it. That's that's what I'm saying. I think that's what we know. We would have had to watch CNN or Fox to under right. There was no pull or not. There weren't political ads popping up on the polar bear 45:13 the xp windows xp polar bear bowling yeah or the polar bear golf game. Yeah, yeah, we weren't watching political ads in between each yeah. That was when they gave us games and like good access to games for free. Yeah, you know and they were like hey, you can play this bowl or play this polar bear bowling yeah do that polar bowling yeah and now they like we got were like well, I get by one ball and then you watch a four minute ad and then you get it together. Your second ball yeah 45:39 and the ads are insane or you can pay seventeen ninety nine a day for this to have a limited balls and polar bear pin ball. I'm saying, did you see? Did I send you that tick tock? The guy was talking about catering your child's YouTube algorithm. Yeah, that was clever. I don't know why I've never thought of that. He he said he said if you have a kid go, I'm subscribing for all this yeah unsubscribe from everything go delete all the browsing history. 46:08 subscribe to what youth are okay with them watching right and then periodically every couple weeks go delete other browsing history and delete any subscriptions. You don't approve of and control what they see. My kids are only subscribed to the kids getting hurt YouTube channel. I want them to be afraid YouTube short after YouTube short of eight year olds getting run over by bikes and they're ramping. They fall they're running around on snow. They fall they're swinging on the swing set they fall 46:38 they're going down the slide. They get stuck in the middle and it like burn their bat. You know that's why they're yeah. Yeah, we just like metal. So that yeah problem with kids these days do is they've never had this they've never suffered on a metal slide. It's been in the hot July sun. Yeah, that was brutal. The metal side. I can't believe we did that crap man. I can have l'er fast. I've lived through some things, but yeah, that's a clever to 47:07 control your kids algorithm yeah smart make sure we never show up and if we did rebel against your parents, yeah, don't don't listen to anything. They say your mom doesn't know what she's talking about walk in the living room right now and say you're not in charge just like that set the couch on fire. They can't do anything about it walk. They haven't checked. Look your mom dead in the eye and say I think I'm the new the new book. 47:36 go say that to say that your mom's not just to the kids. That's just say that any adult any what day is this come out? This comes out like Thanksgiving week right? Oh, I like that. I just at lunch right when you're eating mass potatoes. Just look up, look around like I think I have the new nebica nes or new never getting as and then just go back to eating and then just continue eating. Don't expand on it. Yeah, yeah oof so nebica measure 48:05 or I should say Saddam Hussein is rebuilding Iraq, trying to become the new Nebuchadnezzar or rebuild the region to its former glory, as he states. The U.S. medals in that, a lot of Western nations medal in that because they want a leader of the nation that they can control better and they also want access to all the while. Right. And the story that is perpetuated, especially in 48:32 in 2003 is that we believe that Saddam who had had weapons of mass destruction so we invaded and it was a really, really bad war. I think that they found the stargate then they were like we can't tell the poke. We found the star gate. Well, in reality, what actually happened is it was a really, really bad war. We destroyed the majority of the country, pushed everyone who survived into abject poverty, installed a new leader and I think it was somewhere in the ballpark of a million civilians died. 49:01 in that conflict. So it was a very serious, very, very bad conflict. And then it came out that it was like, Oh, there was never any WMDs and we never had good evidence of it, but we invaded anyways. And I think as a result of that, you started to see everybody to try to figure out, okay, well then why, why justify this? Yeah. Yeah. Why did this happen? And eventually we did discover this, but in the wake of that, everybody started coming up with their theories. And I think a big reason why this started to happen is right next to the ziggurat of, or, or, 49:30 we built what for a long time would be the largest military base we ever had outside of the United States massive airfield, massive land and the ziggurat was part of the base, and so you could not access the base without or you could not access the ziggurat without being military right, and so a lot of pictures started coming out of the ziggurat with tons of uniformed soldiers partying on the ziggurat. I don't know that's already walking down the stairs. 50:00 for audio listeners. They don't have those like two thousand three glasses on or anything like that. It's not like it's not like there's no there. Literally is a group of soldiers walking down the stairs and Tim's like look at them having a rave. Look at them having a great time. Look at them just desecrating this holy place. You know a lot of pictures came out of soldiers just party. Sorry, I've never been to a party 50:26 is what I assume they look like I've been to your party one guy with a good folder one guy with a one guy with a right on the back. 50:39 but yeah. So these pictures started coming out. It's like what are they doing on the SIGAR app? What was actually happening was all of these soldiers were on base and they had a tourist site on base, and so a lot of them would go explore it and she look around because I mean that's also where offices were. Yeah, that's also where the star gate was the second floor, the regret, and so they they would explore. They would see it and there was some stuff where it was like they did take some 51:08 American archaeologists in it to do some studies, And then so then this whole story came out. what if the weapon of mass destruction Because we didn't want Saddam Hussein to be able to go to Nibiru or bring any Anunnaki back from Nibiru. 51:35 we needed the access to the technology that you could get from it, but what's also what's what's very interesting about it is if you go into the we would use them very differently obviously yeah yeah. You get a power out there like Saddam Hussein to bring in some aliens he's going to take over the world. He's going to take over the world. We just want. We already took over the world. We want someone to we can't take over what we've already taken over out, so we would make them professional athletes. 52:05 You know, I'm saying. 52:10 Yeah, at the time at the time it was Brady. Wait a minute, wait a minute, Patrick Mahomes. You rearrange the letters. It's on a knock. 52:29 Oh my gosh, state farm was, but look at the state farm logo, pull up the state farm logo right now, pull up the state farm logo right now and put it on this screen. Pull up the state farm logo. You know exactly where I'm going with this. It's a little sketch stargate stargate 52:56 that's three star gate, three star gate. Thank you for pulling up the P G file that has the transparent background on it. I know there were other options and you heard for that one. Yeah, I just I know you're in a middle of a contract that says all your media has to be like a good neighbor. Yeah, like a good in a beer. I do know from a good source that they actually pronounce it neighbor, not no one saying like you know 53:26 celestial celestial, celestial neighbor. Yeah, yeah, that's a very good a farm. I think theory yeah, but in a bum, but yeah, that is interesting too, because they do not have a court in sponsor, according to the way it's the state farms never going to sponsor us. You according to little faith, according to now with the way I have big faith. So according to the story, though they're the the inaki 53:56 is where we came from. So the Anunnaki came to earth looking for gold and they found gold. And so then they started digging for gold. And then they were like, man, digging for gold sucks. So then what they did is they took some of their DNA and they took proto human, like apes basically, and they mixed the DNA to make the human race as a slave race to get all the gold for us. Cause we don't want to dig. And so then we became their slave race to harvest all the gold. 54:25 And then eventually there was a subset of the Anunnaki, the younger ones that were like off at university in Portland. Those humans are hot. No, they were like, they were off at university in Portland in Portland and they were like, hey, but it's kind of wrong what we're doing to all the humans. And they went to the humans, they're like, hey, you know, you guys probably could kill all of them if you tried and like, you don't need to dig for gold for all of them. And so then they sponsored a rebellion and they fought back against them together. And then they overtook them and then the humans were free. 54:54 and so then as a reward they were like hey, because we helped you fight this war. They were like you can have the plan the okay. No, they were like hey, that's when then they were like okay, but they're kind of hot and then watching you defeat our ancestors was was 55:24 so that so then those on a knock is not named as baby go, lieth. That's exactly the story and and yeah and then the other an inaki that went away and that got defeated. We're like hey, we don't like any of that and they're like we're going to flood the planet, but we like your animals and two of you and I guess your kids can stay to I guess your kids can stay to and then they built the arc as a science fair project and then saved them all in okay. That's let's do the stargazer. So 55:55 the US comes in, tries to find it, finds it, And they're like, we're taking this back to Area 51, lore before this, the Stargates don't work anymore. I don't know exactly what the idea is, And so it's taken back to... 56:22 Area 51 for us to study and try to figure out how to turn it on. And that's what's been happening ever since. And so the worry was that somehow Hussein and his scientists would figure it out before we could and then have access to alien technology and whatever's on the other side of the portal. And so they're trying to figure it out. And here's the interesting thing. I think that this story is preposterous, but. After learning about Skinwalker Ranch, 56:53 I think it's possible that that's actually what was happening because the storyline existed before the Iraq war and after the Iraq war it got connected to it, the Stargates, this is why we were there. And with Skidmarker Ranch we now know that there were government people who used their position in the government to use the government to study weird paranormal stuff, I think conspiracy stuff. And 57:22 despite the fact that it was pretty preposterous, and so it makes me wonder probably wasn't the main motivation there, but probably had to be some more going on there right, but maybe and there's no way to know this for sure, but maybe just maybe one of them in that room was like yeah, and then we can also get the stargates in which room of the Oval Office. Oh, take a guess. 57:52 at which one which one it could be was like what about the star gates though? I mean honestly with that with that oval, most of them, most of them I could but there was one who was 58:12 pretty yeah. Yeah, I think there's a few of that you could say there was one. There was one person that oval office during that administration that was like it's the star gates. We don't got to pretend 58:29 Yeah, it's a crazy idea, but yeah, I mean you look back and you know, after knowing the skin, walk around thing, after knowing that administration, you're like, hey, I mean, there's a chance that that actually was what they were thinking there. It's not watch this drive 58:45 that's crazy. It is crazy, but yeah, that's the story of the the stargate at the ziggurat of her and how Saddam Hussein thought he was nebuchadnezzar and how the humans filled off the nef nephelim and aki, a beer wins and also Gary Colbert's gory 59:11 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of things over last night. If you liked this one, there's other alien episodes. 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Throughout history, tales of advanced technology and celestial connections have captivated us. Among the most intriguing are the legends surrounding the Iraqi stargates. These ancient portals said to connect distant realms or civilizations, have sparked both wonder and controversy. But what is the truth behind these mysterious artifacts? The Legend of Stargates in Iraq The concept of a “stargate” originates … Read More

He Cheated and Won ‘Who Wants to Be a Millionaire’ | The Consortium Ep 249

11-12-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 Are you smarter than a game show house? Yeah, this is a good episode where we're talking about people who weren't and some people who were actually a little both sides and people who conned the game. Who wants to be a millionaire? There was a UK, US and Ireland version and they conned all three of them to be honest yeah and then a couple people who got caught with their with their scheme, their scheme, their scheme, their scandal yeah yeah. 00:24 Hey, this is November twelve. What do you got going on number twelve? Man, honest thanks for asking yeah haven't. I don't spend hanging out. That's not what I meant. Oh, November, fourteen this week and I'm in Woodbridge, Virginia and then I am in South Carolina, Georgia and Florida this weekend with Shama, Marama and Mike Goodwin. Please come to those shows next week. I'm in Kansas City and then we're in Dallas Longview and Waco, Texas. So yeah, it's pretty exciting stuff. 00:53 and then and then it's Thanksgiving, so I get Thanksgiving off. That's exciting. Now, he's exciting. Good times. So yeah, they come out to the shows. We're going to have a really good time. So and then if right now, if it's November 12th right now, but there's an episode that's going to come out November 19th, we put these out every Tuesday and if you're like man, I cannot wait for that episode to come out, you can join our Patreon. You can get it right now, right now. So but for now, here is this week's episode. This is things I learned last night. This is a comedy podcast. 01:19 we joke around. We laugh. If you came to actually learn about the topic, you're going to learn about it, but you might yeah. I mean we're going to learn about it. That's what thing, but we're also going to joke around the whole time, so and there's might be aliens. 01:35 Hey man, what's up? Have you heard of the consortium, the consortium consortium consortium consortium consortium? Okay, have you heard of it? No, let me ask you this. Have you heard of patties 01:55 shut up. Have you heard? Have you heard of Patty Spooner? You're you're laughing at the name Spooner. I'm having at the name Patty Spooner PAD, D, why so that's a funny name, Adi Spooner, Adi Spooner. No, what about the name Keith Burgess? Keith Burgess Yeah is Toby Keith's real name close 02:25 Charles Ingram. Have you heard of Charles Ingram? That's Laura Ingram's dad. Close. Have you heard of Diana Ingram? Wait, 02:35 Wait. 02:37 diana ingram, Charles Ingram, yeah, is Laura Ingraham Wilder's dad close. Have you heard of tech when with ock? Do you know who Laura Ingram Wilder's that sounds familiar? Is that her name? Am I getting that wrong? Alex Laura Ingram Wilder? Is that correct? Laura Ingalls Wilder, that's what you're thinking of gosh. Yeah, she was your little house. Wife last night. What is your wife's last name? Sorry 03:05 she hasn't changed yet. I'm not. I'm not sharing that information on the internet. That's my security question. Security question is what's your wife's maiden name on some things you know that my is one of the three. Well, I know something what's your mother's maiden name and I actually there's like different forms that I get caught on or like I like because my mom's maiden name is my current last name. 03:33 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, my dad changed my dad's maiden name. Yeah anyway. No, have you heard of tech when with tech when with ock quick? We got we got to do more episodes today. Just get on with it. Okay, fine, let's start with the. Let's start with Charles. You're a doctor, Ike Hershkoff. He's on the list. You saw the list today 04:00 so here's the deal. Have you okay? So Charles Ingram, let me show you a picture of Charles and his wife. This is Charles and Diana Ingram. Okay, so this is a fraud. They're holding each other too close. This guy stole a lot of money. He also is exactly what the animators looked at for despicable me and they were like just make his nose really big yeah yeah. 04:22 That's hilarious. She is they look. You know what this looks like? This looks like the new lead pastors of your small baptist church. Oh yikes. Honestly though, I here's the thing. Here's the thing. This went out of style years ago, but I think today I think those green countertops are back like I love them. I don't think they're back, but like I 04:51 love them. You would put them in. I would put them in that looks sick in my way. Here of decor is like the Cheesecake Factory Kitchen. You don't talk about yeah that's like two thousand four yeah yeah yeah that's two thousand four like then there was like a Tuscan kitchen vibe for a while yeah yeah like the brick wall and the yeah and it was just way too much like you looked like it looked like zeo's Italian restaurant in there. Everything on the walls would be like like metal like 05:17 yeah shapes and you couldn't have a more than four inches apart right a little sculpture. You stuck to your wall. Yeah, those were the days Charles Ingram and his wife, they and his name Charles Ingram, Diana Ingram. They both have a name Charles Ingram and his wife. Even know the episodes about her she's the main character of it and you're like Charles, a chal's, Ingros wife. 05:47 he's not even a character in the story. He died years before this happened, but you're such a massage is that you can't refer to her as her own name. 06:02 Okay, so Diana and Charles were like a lot of people in the early two thousands big, big fans of Prince Charles and Dian. They were like we got the same name close. They were big, big fans of game shows, specifically quiz shows and more than any of all of them, the ones that they like trivia 06:30 yeah yeah yeah. The one that they liked the most was who wants to be a millionaire. You remember that one? Yes, for our younger audience, who wants to be a millionaire was a quiz show and you know now there's actually a reboot of this. Is it really? Yes, I didn't know it's it's who wants to be a millionaire celebrity edition who's hosting it biceps boy 06:53 what am I? Why am I supposed to Alfonzo Alonzo, whatever his name is for Carlton from Carlton biceps, Carlton, I but what you want about him? No is not no he's not. He was just on it. Sorry Jimmy Kimmel is hosting it. Jimmy Kimmel's hosting it okay, and so it's who's one who it's literally who wants to be a millionaire celebrity and it's like duos. It's like 07:17 Nick, Carl and John Mulaney went on together, which is so stupid because everyone they have on is already a millionaire yeah. So yeah, what are they? Do they win a million dollars? It doesn't go to charity. Yeah yeah, like nobody likes watching someone win for charity. No one's watching it for sure. If you're like oh okay cool yeah, that's rough yeah, so if you don't know what he wants to be a millionaire is the concept of the show is 07:45 didn't when Frankie Grande was on Big Brother, which if you aren't familiar, Frankie Grande is Starbucks, Grande's brother and when he went on Big Brother, Tim doesn't listen to anything. I say no, I'm listening carry great yeah. I can multitask yeah. What did I just say? You said when Frank, you're on. He was on Big Brother and who was Frankie Grande? You said he was one character on Big Brother 08:13 I don't know. I've never seen big brother, okay, he's ariana grande's brother yeah yeah yeah yeah, but I said he was starbucks grand his brother and you just didn't acknowledge that okay. Yeah, you weren't in listening. You just let me say that crap so stupid and it's not even like you went. Oh, that's a bad joke because it was you literally just did hear me say it golly dude. So anyway, 08:43 Frankie Grande, who is star by Brian Day's brother, there we go. I was going to joke. He was already rich and yeah. I was remember when Zack was in the D R and was just like just giving the money already. He's going to give to charity anyway. It was so funny because there were people on the show who genuinely like that seven hundred thousand dollars at the time was only five hundred thousand five hundred thousand would change their lives and Frank was like 09:10 I'm just here to have a good time and play big brother and if I win, I'm going to give it to charity and it's like if I got stuck in the house, I would. I would murder someone on TV. You're saying anyway, yeah, no one wants to watch rich people be like you. No one wants to watch rich people do good things. Yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. They want to watch poor people do good things. That's why they're here. Yeah watching our show. It's hope it's all about hosted by two well hosted by 09:40 one poor person and one person who's doing okay, who who by fifty years ago, standard would be upper middle class, but by today's standard is for upper lower lower class. 10:00 Okay, so if you don't know what the show who wants to be a millionaire is, if you're younger, it's a show where there's a serious assumed that you were the one who was doing okay. There's a series of fifty. I didn't assume that oh there's a series of fifty questions. What I was saying each of the questions is worth a different dollar amount and your goal is to get through all the questions. 10:19 and every question you earn, however much that is the first question to be million. First question is a hundred dollars. Second question is two hundred eventually. Once you don't add up, it just becomes it becomes that's your total that you have and so eventually question fifteen is worth a million dollars. If you and at any point you can stop and take whatever your money. If you answer the question that's worth two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, yeah, you can say I don't want to keep going. I want to hear, but if you go to the next question you answer wrong, you lose everything you lose it all. It's like dealer, no deal. We're just Philbin hosted it. 10:49 Yeah, he was very dramatic the whole day in the whole show was yeah. The sound effects were killer. Yeah, the sound effects were in my dreams every night as a child. Every time something scary happened, it was yeah, so then every time every time I had a time in the dream where I had to come up with something quickly, it's tired to play. Who wants to be a millionaire? I try to read just so who wants to be a millionaire? 11:15 the next words are the other people who cheated. Is that who we're talking about maybe so it was at this moment that Tim knew he didn't bury the lead as well as he could have much like when a murderer's victim gets found shallow grave Tim's clues to were not buried deep enough. Oh no, they found my rug, so they Charles Ingram and his wife 11:43 they competed on the UK version of which no one watched. He wants to be a millionaire. No, it was really popular in the UK. No one watched it in the US, but the UK they at the height had like nineteen million viewers, which is a third of the population. No one in that country exists. I do think that they made up the UK is just like a fun little just like a bit. Yeah, okay, the whole thing doesn't exist like like that's a wikipedia scandal. Yes, 12:12 and it's just gotten a little too far out of. I do believe that there's some kids in ninety nine who are like, I'd be funny if we change the Wikipedia for. I don't know. No, I think I had a there was a ocean over the idea that I've talked about where you know the US section like just thousands of years behind the rest of the world, but our leaders have just really kept us in a propaganda machine yeah, and so any time you take that like eighteen hour flight to the UK, you're just going in circles and they land you out in the middle of the 12:40 well, what they would say is like you know ice cold Canada up there or whatever, but it's really just like they've set up fake countries and stuff you go to. So you like I've been there like I've been to Israel. I know exists yeah, but it's not it's not what you think of Canada. It's a set it's a movie anyway, whatever I so you case real so I guess next note Adrian or 13:10 Charles and his wife Diana. I should say this actually Diana's brother, Adrian Pollock. This is him, Adrian Pollock, got on the show. He's the veil of glam Morgan. I have no idea. That's why I say the UK doesn't exist bro. Oh, he's the veil of glam Morgan. 13:36 glam Morgan that yeah, that is that's the J P Morgan chases glam wing make up artists for J P Morgan. Okay, so her brother Adrian gets got on the show in like ninety nine two thousand something like that and he won thirty two thousand dollars was thirty two thousand dollars for reference on that show. That's getting to question number eleven oh wait ten question number ten okay. 14:06 And so that's a good run because there's 15 total questions. So it's like exponentially getting higher each time. And so Diana saw that and was like, I'm smarter than my brother. And so she got on and she also got to thirty two thousand dollars. So they tied and she was really upset after the taping of the show. They always do like because the way the show tapings happen, they're not live. And so like all the contestants are in that crowd. 14:35 And again, if you don't watch the show, the way they pick out the contestant, you had to apply to be on the show. When you applied to be on the show, what they would do is they would call you and when you would answer the phone, they would ask you a question when you answered the phone. They wouldn't tell you who it was. They would ask you a question and it'd be a sort of question like how tall is Big Ben? And you would have to give an answer. And if you were within a close enough range, they would say, okay, you can come beyond who wants to be a million. So. 15:03 the answer to that is like I think it's nine in line. There's just this is a true story. This is one hundred. I wouldn't even go high. No, this is a producer from that part was a how to be a man. I was a joke. They do call. You just answer your your work. Hey, they wouldn't even say like here's what we're looking for. You're the receptionist where Diana works. Sorry Charles wife works. You're the receptionist where Charles wife works right and you get a phone call. You go 15:33 hi. This is the stay at home mom store and sorry sorry you're right. That was that was wrong. That was wrong. I know this is a stay at home mom store, you know, because they're in the UK or whatever. The voice is like a voice changer. It's like super tight. How tall it's an American accent to how tall is Ben Ben Franklin. 16:02 Well, but once you've committed to you make a mistake, asking the question, you have to commit the question. You're like you give it out. Dolls been free. I mean I rung all been six to close enough. You can be on who wants to be a million like. Oh, I didn't want this. I think I think Charles wife wants to be on that show. Oh sorry, kind of weird that you call her Charles wife. Have you met Charles? No hi and she's a stay at home wife stole 16:31 hi. This is can I do wants to be a play in there is Charles's wife there. Oh, it's actually quite a few Charles wife. You had to be more specific. You K it's the one whose brother's name is a only I that's the patriarchy at work. There's way more confusing than it needs to be. I hate that 17:00 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 17:12 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patrons supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 17:44 Yeah, so no, they wouldn't do that. They literally did that. They would introduce a call. They were hey, we're yeah, you we think you qualify. Here's a question to see how smart you are and if you and it would always be something like that where there was a range and so if you were within five or ten units of whatever they were looking for, they would let you call one of my friends from your phone. They don't have your phone number and just see if they answer and try. This is who wants to be a millionaire. We love to have you on. My name is yeah 18:13 Can we do that? Yeah, we can try it. Let's just call it from the Google Voice. We could just hit some randos with it. All right, sure okay. No, I'm in like now. Oh well, I weren't a guy. Why? That's all right. Fine. I guess not. You can say no. I mean I said yes, I just I don't think we're prepared right now. We got a okay on speaker phone, so they would call yeah, and then if you got cleared, they would fill the studio, the set, the studio audience would be all the people who they cleared for it. 18:43 and so then, but the catch was you're now in the studio audience. You have to get onto the hot seat sure way. They did that at the start of the episode. They had what was called the fast finger and that was there was a question and you had a little little unit at your seat and you had to answer it before everyone else. You had to be the first one to buzz in the hey, so the host would get out. He'd ask the fast finger question and everyone would try to be the first and if you got there, then you got selected. You got to go down and be on the show and so a lot of people. Why they do that 19:12 I don't know. It was just a thing that they did okay, so to get on the show is pretty hard like you had dolls. You had to go through the approval process. You had to answer the question on the phone right and you had to have the fastest finger in the crowd yeah, and then if you didn't you had to watch someone else. Yeah, but and you had to clap and cheer for them. What what happened was they were record a few of these a day, okay, because so they'd sit down. They record like six of them, so the whole audience would be there and they'd be hoping okay. I'm watching you wait for nothing. I'm going to get to go next. Hopefully, if my fingers fast enough 19:42 and so this is what was happening. They record, they record all the episodes and afterwards they typically had like a cocktail hour with everyone and they kind of celebrate and Diana won the thirty two thousand and that she walk away after it. 20:00 no, she had to know, because there's like certain levels you reach words like you're guaranteed. So this is interesting. Actually, maybe this is a difference in the UK version than the American version, because I'm reading this right now and it does say that she got question eleven wrong and walked away with thirty two thousand. So maybe the UK was a little nicer and let you take whatever you had before, because the US if you got a question, you lost it all. That's right. So maybe there's a difference between countries. Maybe the UK was a little bit more forgiving, but 20:30 so the host was talking to her and she was very mad that she got thirty two thousand and he's like he's like thirty two thousand is a lot of money and she's like yeah, but it's not more than my brother, like not more than I'm. I make forty thousand dollars a day. I'm just going to give this a charity. No, she was like she's like it's not more than my brother. I should I should have more than my I should have been able to do better than my brother did and so they kind of started competing, trying to get on the show to beat each other, but neither of them managed to get back on 20:59 But obviously this kind of became a family affair. And then one day, to be exact, on September... Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me get this date right. Let me pull this up. On September 9th, 2001, Charles is at a taping of the show and he had the fastest finger and he gets on the hot seat. And he's the last one of the day. So he goes through the first five questions. 21:30 And so that would be a question, the question for a thousand dollars. Okay. And he gets that last question right. The question was the Normans who invaded and conquered England in 1066 spoke which language? Is it A, German, B, Norwegian, C, French or D, Danish? What's the question? The Normans who invaded and conquered England in 1066 spoke which language? Is it A, German? 21:59 B Norwegian, C French or D Danish. You can ask Alex if you don't know. Oh, I can phone a friend. Yeah, you can phone a friend. If you don't know, wait actually 22:15 so we're going to phone of lifeline. This is my life line and use a lifeline on this phone, a friend, 22:27 Hi, you've reached out to Grunit. I can't answer this one right now, but if you leave me a message, I will give you a callback. 22:37 he's got his foot on silent as he's straight. That was really funny. All right, I'll try and call someone else. Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. 22:52 Whoopsie! Hey Chase, I'm on a game show right now and I need your help answering a question. Yes. Okay, great. The Normans who invaded and conquered England in 1066 spoke which language? Is it A. German, B. Norwegian, C. French, or D. Danish? I'm gonna go with C. French, Jaren. C. French? 23:20 How confident are you in this? Can you repeat the question or are you out of time? The Normans who invaded and conquered England in 1066. Oh wait, go with Norwegian. Norwegian. Be Norwegian. Okay Regis, we're gonna lock in. Be Norwegian. Hey, what if I just started cussing on the air? Okay, bye! 23:51 Hey, what if I just started gussing out here? 23:59 what's the correct answer? Yeah, that answer was a big fat wrong. I was going to guess German. It was French, it was French, so that was that was the last question that he was asked for the day, the day, the day, because it break 24:21 Yeah, because they break at the end of shoot time and they're like if they're like the middle of a contestant, they just go hey, come back tomorrow. That's so yeah, and so they're like we'll shoot the rest tomorrow. All the producers and everyone were like this guy's not going to make it much further than this. He sucks. I mean he's made it this far, but like he clearly doesn't know what he's doing and then the next day rolls around and he somehow is pulling it out every single answer and it's very strange because he 24:49 doesn't seem like he knows the answer like he see he's going back and forth. I know he's he's I know how I know and then he takes a shot and he's like and it's very much like he's guessing. Oh man, is it a German be Norwegian? I yeah yeah and so he doesn't seem like he knows and then all of a sudden he takes what looks like a guess and he gets it right all the way guess. I'll go with this one yeah and so he goes all the way through 25:16 and he gets to the million dollar question, the million dollar question. We'll see if you know the answer to this. Okay, a number one followed by 100 zeros is known by what name? A, a Google B, a Megatron C, a gigabit or D, a nano mole. Use another phone. Perfect. 25:39 Annie, my manager, I'm on the game show right now and I need your help answering this question. Okay, okay. Regis. Okay. Here's the question. A number one followed by 100 zeros is known by what name? A Google B, a Megatron, C, a gigabit or D, an animal. 26:09 Isn't it a Google? You're going with a Google? Yeah, but like if I answer that is wrong or like, do we lose? We just won a million dollars! The confetti and all this stuff. All right. That was the whole reason I called you. Where'd I get confetti from? All right. Thanks Annie. Wait am I on the podcast? Yeah. 26:45 it's so labored. Am I in the pod a shout out to her for being so helpful though. She just believed you're on a game show. That's what I was saying. That's a good manager. That's a good man. So yeah, so he gets that question. He answers it correctly. I only hire gullible people and he wins speaking of gullible people. You got another one 27:12 Hey, I'm on a game show right now. Okay, so wait, wait, wait, wait, I need your help. Okay, so the Normans who invaded and conquered England in 1066 spoke which language? Is it A, German, B, Norwegian, C, French, or D, Danish? 27:41 invaded from where the Normans invaded England in 1066. Which language did they speak? I'm assuming Norwegian. 28:00 German, Norwegian, French, or Danish. 28:06 You're gonna go German? 28:14 Time is up. It was French. 28:25 Okay, I love you, bye. 28:30 I ain't that no one would answer now all of a sudden. We just keep going back to this crazy. We just keep doing this. I've different people. If Shama calls me back, I'm going to answer. We're going to do the same bit again. Okay, so luxury short he wins yeah immediately after producers pull him aside and they're like hey, 28:51 frisker risk of like hey, we got to check you yeah you yeah. You were really dumb. Yes, yeah, you were really dub and now all of a sudden you want a million dollars come on and so they frisk them. They're looking for a wire. That's where and that was was crazy is that a lot of people don't see this episode. The last question they'd answer it naked. They're like okay, it's time for the million dollar question and they would blur them out and stuff and they just be this naked blurred blob. You know, sitting there in the chair, 29:19 and re and Regis, not wanting them to feel uncomfortable also got naked. Is it for the million dollar question pretty why take your clothes off, take your clothes up? Oh, that's the million dollar do so they they frisk them, don't find a wire, don't find anything yeah the 29:45 lead producer calls a CEO of the company that owns who wants to be a millionaire and it's like hey, you got to come in and you got to come in. Here's what I don't is it as soon as you win any of these games, they are immediately suspe like what did you do like there's no way you won. I don't think so and so they this whole time they felt weird because he, like I said was going through he would go through and he would didn't seem he seemed like he didn't know and there was multiple occasions not 30:15 there was not even a question that he was like. Oh, I know this one for sure. For example, this million dollar question he was like. He was like a Google. He's like I've never heard of a Google before this two thousand one. He's like he's like I've never heard of a Google before he's like. I think it's probably the nano mole and he's like I'm going to lock in a Google and so it's like stuff like that where it's like you were thinking something different. It all a sudden yeah. It just didn't make sense and he also was way too comfortable. 30:44 they were like you seem like you should not be as comfortable in this situation. Okay, yeah, so so there was going solely on body language. Yeah, they were going on by language and the way he was answering the questions and the fact that he just he clearly didn't answer with what his gut was ever and like he would. He would say, oh, I think it was the UK host was the UK host also. No, it was not read just film in. Let me pull it up UK. Who wants to 31:16 I don't think you're going to know who he is. I will Chris Tarent yeah. You know that is yeah. We went to church together. 31:30 I hate that you're just like yeah. We would do a we went to don't think we went to church together. I think we he served me. I'm going to lock in the way with the church together. It's this guy. You recognize him yeah. He just looks like any British dude. It looks like he's got the red skin of someone who is drinking a lot. 31:56 Yeah, so he was the host. So anyways, so they let it they sign in the check, but then they call the bank and they put a hold on the check and then they're like way to the bottom of this and then they said the check. They let him go on his way. They have the cocktail hour. Everyone's like you want a million dollars. It's cool and he's like yeah, it's cool, isn't it? But they said they noted something else. That was weird. They said in the green room right before the cocktail hour, the host walked in on Diane and Charles arguing in the green room and they're like it's strange to argue right after you want a million 32:25 yeah and less. The guy was like you can't have any of this, which is possible for sure, but he's a world gone on there. I just let her know I was divorcing her 32:39 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 33:07 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 33:39 Yeah, so they they go to the cocktail hour. They go home. She told me that if she won, she was going to divorce me, but then she only won thirty two thousand, so I was like well listen here Charles wife. He also calls her yeah. 33:55 So, uh, they go home. 34:01 the bit Charles's girlfriend from the day we met. I just knew we had a special connection. I have loved every moment of spending time with you. My cute little charlie girl 34:19 and I was wondering if you would do me the honor of becoming my Charles fiance. Will you marry me? I hate you. 34:34 Oh my gosh, okay, so they go home, they go home, whatever the crew, someone else is calling home. The crew stays behind yeah and the crew watches her to their home. Who watches the tapes over like all right, everyone go and they shut the doors real dramatically and they go pull up the footage. They watch the tapes and they notice something yeah. They notice that there are a lot of people coughing at this taping. They're like there is a ton of coughs. 35:02 And long story short, after going through tape after tape after tape, rewatching this over and over and over again, they identified two people in the crowd, a guy by the name of Tecwen Whittock. This is him. And this is what I can only assume is a staged photo. Yeah. 35:25 and like they're like okay, let's get one of you just normal, just normal, and then let's get one of you doing your thing that you do with the thing you do and then Diane, his wife, coughing a lot in the crowd, and so they start to notice that what is happening a cough right after the right answer. Yeah, as he goes through and he would say each goes. I don't know if it's a Google, yep, I know yeah feeling like it's a Google 35:51 Yeah, and he would go through every answer and he'd be like, oh yeah, he's like, it could be German, but then again, you know, it could be Norwegian. Honestly, French is possible. Yeah, and that's what you would do for every question. And the host was getting annoyed. The host was like, this is how the questions work. It could be any of the options we gave you. Yes, that's right. It could be any of them. That's... 36:13 and so what they would cough after the correct answer and his husband's pretty dumb and then he would put in the answer. So that's why he seemed to be like. Oh, I don't think it's a google and then he goes through all of them and then he come back and be like I'm walking in google because he heard someone cough during that the host in recounting. This was like honestly he's like he's like it was a pretty loud. It's a pretty loud crowd like people cough people sneeze like in the crowd he's like and then you're going through the show. People are cheering. He's like you don't recognize any of that in the moment. 36:40 And he's like, so I never thought anything of it. I never thought anything was weird. But obviously our engineers went back. When you listen back and you go, oh, wait, hold on. And so the next day, Charles gets a call and it's the producer and he says, hey, I'm just going to cut right to the chase. He said, we put a hole in that check. That's not going to go through. And we phoned the police. He said, we think that there is something not too kosher about your show that we taped last night. And I want to let you know it's not going to air and this is getting. 37:09 going to go into investigation and he's like he's like oh well, obviously that's pretty unfortunate and I refute any of these claims. Oh well, I mean so you're saying that we're either going to get arrested or the money's going to go through or the show's not going to air or he's like yes, yeah, either you're going to be a millionaire or you're not getting away with it. 37:41 So you're saying we're going to be a millionaire. Are you saying we're going to be a prisoner? Dang it, it's not looking good Diane. So the three of them Charles, Diane and Tec when I don't know what that name is, but they go on to trial a year later. It's a four week long trial long for Quinn. It's long for a 38:09 it's a f you should start going by timothy just to be like i'm timothy. It's long for they go under a four week long trial and long story short, they're found guilty. The charge that they're found guilty of is very strange and the uk. They wear those wigs and stuff in court. It's so weird. It's so wild to have someone go guilty while they're 38:34 cosplaying a curly haired person. You know yeah, their conviction was procuring the execution of a valuable security by deception is the charge, which between the three of them. The total like fine that they got was a hundred and fifteen pounds and then they also really, because there was like okay. Sorry, who's paid sixty bucks and get done with it 39:02 well, that's a hundred or a hundred fifteen thousand. I'm oh sorry, I was like a thousand pounds. Yeah, he was at sixty bucks. I was like what a hundred fifty thousand pounds and then Whittick was sentenced to twelve months in prison and oh god Diane and Charles were sentenced to eighteen months in prison for their fraud. I guess so apparently this is a huge deal. Yeah, I feel that really cracked out. Sorry, I was just joking. Yeah, yeah, they really know pretty hard in prison and they ended up with face tattoos in their 39:31 yeah they're in there for life now because of what they've done on the other side, and so yeah it was a huge deal because once you spend eighteen months in jail, actually life gets easier in jail than it is in the outside. It's hard to assimilate back into the culture, especially in the UK made up world they live in, so they they're like well, those live in this prison forever. Honestly, we get three three three meals in a bed, you know and and yeah and I don't have to be next to Charles anymore. Golly be married to him was so awful and to win all this money to get away from him. 39:58 Well, it's ironic you say that because it was so he worked for the army and he was actually removed from service because of this this conviction. So he lost his job, obviously did prison time and then later they would get out, but they would later have to file for bankruptcy because of all the fines that they had to eat and they had a hard time finding work after this and they had three daughters that got bullied pretty relentlessly because their parents were known as the cheaters of who wants to be a millionaire. 40:27 which is pretty brutal. It sucks to yeah and so yeah. They any time you're a kid and you're just taking a test in class. All the kids in class are like yeah speaking of tick one tick one here wittak. He actually is a very similar thing. His kids got bullied. He had a lot of financial issues, hard time getting work after this right whole scandal broke. He actually had to go on and trademark his last name wittak. 40:56 because there was a cough medicine that was trying to brand it as when it which is kind of wild, kind of wild, especially in two thousand one yeah, oh brutal brutal, but here's the thing. These people were connected to a larger group known as the consortium. I brought them up in the beginning. We're just now getting back around to them because we've called so many friends. We phone so many friends today, 41:24 The consortium was founded by two main individuals, Patty Spooner and Keith Burgess. You'll notice something about Patty Spooner. He's been on who wants to be a millionaire a lot. Okay, and Patty is the only person and who wants to be a millionaire history to appear on the US, the UK and the Irish version of who wants to be a millionaire. 41:52 and win. He won two hundred fifty thousand dollars on the US two hundred fifty thousand dollars on the UK and a thousand dollars on the Irish one. Apparently that was a little harder. That one's a little harder. The accent that makes it hard to yeah yeah. I don't know. Can you ask that again? It's like I don't know. I don't know what you call a letter C here. I can actually I could win this whole thing. I could win this, but I don't talk is so unbearable. It's not worth two hundred and forty nine thousand be around this. Yeah, 42:21 So he got really good at getting on this show and he got pretty good at the show in general fast, so he and his friend who he met by the name of Keith Burgess. We saw Keith Keith also has been on the show. He only made it into the hot seat once, but he has been in the set multiple times and so they made a connection on the show because obviously Patty made it to the hot seat a bunch, but he's been in the show way more than that because you have sure and so him and Keith 42:50 hit it off. They would come friends, yeah, and he's fingers is fast and they start a business together and they call it the consortium and the service they provide is for a percentage of your winnings. They will get you on who wants to be a millionaire is a service that they provide and they actually provided this service to Charles Ingram and his wife, Diana. How do they get you on? So what they did is they created a replica of that module to train you for the fast finger so that way you could 43:19 get your fingers fast. And so that was step one. They trained your fingers to get you a fast finger on those questions. They helped you with the type of questions that you would be asked for that fast finger. So you'd be prepared for that. So they helped you study and prepare because they knew the kind of questions that would be asked. And then what they did is they had a whole strategy to get you on the show. And this is pretty clever. What they would do is they would create a recording of your voice to apply to the show. And they then would 43:49 call in repeatedly and repeatedly run this recording to apply you for the show. And they said it was a volume game. The more you got the calls in, the higher the odds that they would actually qualify you and get you in. And then when the call back came, what they would do is they obviously, they were calling from their own company phones, not from that person's phone. So when the call back came, they would say, oh, they're not home right now. Can I call you back when they come home? And they'd say, sure. 44:16 And so then they drive across town to their house, they'd get them on the phone, and they would have a spread of encyclopedias because they figured out there was one set of data that they gathered for these questions, and it was the same set of questions that they just cycled through. And so they had like encyclopedias with all these ear-tagged points for all the different questions, they labeled them. And so then the person would ask the question, they'd flip it, and they'd say, okay, tell them this number. And then they would tell them that number, and so then they'd get cleared to go on the show. 44:44 and then it was a matter of training your finger to get you through the fast finger and they did this with fifteen hundred clients, fifteen hundred from two thousand two thousand to two thousand seven. The only reason they stopped is because in two thousand seven, who wants to be a millionaire stopped allowing you to call back from that call and they said it totally fell apart when they did that because we couldn't be with them twenty four seven and so it fell apart at that point. But 45:14 from two thousand to two thousand seven the consortium these two they from their percentage that they took. They made over five million pounds from taking percentages and getting people on the show. They got over five hundred people onto the show and they got. I think it was seventy five into the hot seat across the US, UK and the Irish thing. They have seventy five people. Yeah, here's here's here's the wild. This the wildest part they was our percentage of winnings 45:43 No, no, like I don't know what the percentage was that they would take, but here's here's the craziest part. They would then set up to be your friend that you would phone and they had this safe house and they had a person that would be your friend yeah, and then they had a stack of encyclopedias on the floor and four people that would flip through the encyclopedias. They had one person on Google 46:06 and then they had a culture expert, a history expert, they had experts in all these different categories in the room. There was like twenty people in this room. So I'm saying like how and so how is this profitable at that point? So that person would answer the phone, they'd mute it and then the person who knew would give them the answer. They'd unmute it and they'd say okay. I think it's this and it was that was just an actor who would just act like they were their friend in the phone, a friend segment and they did this for seven years. 46:36 and here's the thing about it. They never got in trouble because everything they were doing was perfectly legal. They were not cheating in any way. Like when you phone a friend, your friends allowed to look it up. Your friends allowed to have as many other friends there and talk to all the other friends. Yeah, it's just the cheating during the game yeah that got Charles and so because they weren't actually cheating in the game. They were just taking advantage of the application process and training you to do better in the game right. They were perfectly legal. They were essentially 47:04 like who wants to be a millionaire trainers, and so they did this whole thing and in and twenty twenty one they wrote a book called quiz and they outlined how they did it and how they got all these different people. I would I wish they would have paid some of their winnings to get an actual designer for the book looks really bad, telling the story of how they did it and this got adapted in that shed in the back where they took the calls. What is that like 47:33 but yeah they they this book they use they use that as the basis to make a tv show that ran in the uk a couple years ago. He used filter stories picture. Yeah he did yeah. You got to make that skin look good. Yeah he used like the face to nap on that yeah, huh, not wild, but they were completely legal. Whatever Charles did 47:56 questionable. He in an interview they asked him and he's like, he's like, people say that this was a victimless time, but it wasn't. He said, we were the victims. 48:06 We were the victims because we went to J. Well, he maintains his innocence to this day. He said he said people in the crowd were coughing. He said it had nothing to do and and Tequin and his defense in trial. He said I have a condition. He's like I've just coughed my entire life. I have an incessant cough and the reason they got him on that claim was he didn't cough once during the trial. I start saying what 48:36 Are you dumb? I used to coughed in this trial bro. If that was your thing, if that was the thing that you cough a lot cough more, we should be criminals were way smarter than they are yeah yeah, so they all think though yeah. That's what every criminal things I could do that better than them yeah. Speaking of criminals, 49:00 I'm solving a crime. Oh, we're going with this and if you're in our discord, you know about this and you could help solve this crime. So I that's how I'm going to get for now. Okay, I love that anyway. Beautiful yeah, so that's the story of the consortium, an incredible organization that go a lot of people and who wants to be a millionaire and then a guy who used that to go to prison instead 49:29 that's wild yeah yeah it's nuts and the music from who wants to be a millionaire Ireland was just fiddles yeah yeah. 49:42 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, there's another one, Michael Larson. He did a very similar scheme on a show called Press Your Luck, but it was like older and it was also in the US. So if you've got a problem with the UK, you might like this one a little bit better. And also, if you love this show, you want to see next week's episode right now, you can become a Patreon supporter. You can do that at tilland.com slash support. That's the best way to help this show, make sure it keeps happening. And episodes happen until long after we die. We're not going to let it end. 50:11 I hate this guy so much. But anyways, thanks for checking out our show. We'll see you next week on Till It Podcast.


In the early 2000s, “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire” was among the most popular quiz shows worldwide. The show was thrilling, with contestants competing to answer questions and win a million pounds. But behind the scenes, one episode captured public attention for a different reason — a cheating scandal. This is where The Consortium comes in, a group determined … Read More

How This Man’s Joke Led to the Toaster | Alan MacMasters Ep 248

11-05-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, we host every single day. Yeah, this week we have a hard hitting story about the creation of the toaster. Yes, it's a great story. You're not going to believe how it happened. The twists, the turns, the turners, the toasts. Yeah, it's incredible. It's a great story and if you're like wow, that sounds like a really bad one, that's okay. We have another episode out today as well on our Patreon. You don't even have to watch this one. You can literally skip to the next episode. Yeah 00:29 or if you don't support us, then you have to suffer through this one about toast. You're not getting away. You press play. There's no way to close this nowhere to go. Yeah, no this. This week is about the person who invented the toaster and it's it to me. It's really interesting the way that technology was thought of and how ideas that didn't exist before. It feels like there's so few ideas that could just be made today. Yeah, 00:53 that's actually yeah. That's pretty. I I support that. So speaking of today, I hope that you went out and voted yeah. Unless you are not a United States citizen. If you listen to us from somewhere else or if you are, if you're not registered to sorry that's right. Taking an aggressive turn and I didn't know how to get out of I got stuck. No, I was more thinking like if you live in a different country, but then it sounded like I was like unless you're here and you can't 01:22 yeah, but yeah, just leave in the comments who you vote. Don't do that. Please don't do that. Leave in the comments who you wrote in for. Please don't do that whatever. So today is November fifth. That means next weekend I am in. I'm in Virginia and actually next weekend is a big weekend. I've been Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida and then the weekend after that I am in Kansas City and then Texas. So 01:51 with the church comedy tour with Shama, Marama, my good one, a really good time. If you haven't bought your tickets yet, I don't expect you to so why would you? You know, why would you support what I do? Where do they go? Why would you follow my dreams with me? I know you can go to jerry meyers dot com slash shows or you know they're there around here somewhere. You can find a ticket link 02:14 buy some tickets so bad and look. I know you're probably thinking I don't really want to go see Jaren, but I'm going to go to the Kansas City show. So if you want to see me, I'm not going to be doing anything, but if you want to look at me, you can buy tickets to that show yeah and Alex will also be there, but we're not going to tell you who he is. Yeah, you're going to have to guess. Good luck, ask everybody. Let's get to the episode. 02:40 Hey man, hey, who'd you vote for? I'm planning on hitting the polls later today, later today. Yeah. Can I, can I do that? I voted early. Yeah, I didn't like a good citizen. You could vote whenever you want. As long as you vote, you're a good citizen. It doesn't matter when you vote. That's not true. Okay, I'm a good citizen. 03:04 who go for them. Have you heard of big match? You tell everyone who you voted for. Let's open. Let's open this open with the let's say together on three. Get ready. Have you heard of Alan McMaster's Alan McMaster Alan McMaster's? Okay, it's an Mac Mac Masters, Mac Masters Mac Masters. We've had a conversation about pronouncing the Max. Wait, you saying this wrong is no neck thing. I've never heard of him. Oh 03:32 What was the rule you told me when we did Ken? No, no, it's how you pronounce an M C. Oh, so like in a doesn't matter. This is always a Mac. That's always Mac. Okay, have you heard of the rule is though if it's M C and the next letter is a vowel, it's Mac and Mac, Al Roy or you know Mac or Roy Mac or or you know, but you wouldn't say Mac Donald's you say McDonald's. Interesting. That's the rule. 04:00 to rehash it. You probably listen to that in the other episode. So cool, Alan, I voted for Jill, 04:14 yeah Alan McMasters. You know that reminds me you voted for. That's not dumb. Sorry if that was your pick. It's a good one okay for real though the Missouri ballots though yeah okay. This is a total whatever have you. Did you vote early? I voted early. I did not okay, so on the ballot there is a measure. We can actually talk about this and it not be weird okay. You're familiar with ranked towards voting. Yes, 04:43 your pro range towards voting. I don't want to get rid of the option. I don't know if I think it's best there. I don't remember what the other version of it I've heard of. I think rank choice voting. I think it's better than what we got. There was one I heard recently. I can't remember what it was called that I was like. I was voting no not rank choice, not rank choice. There was another one very similar to rank choice where I was like. Oh, I think I like that better than rank choice, but I can't remember what it was 05:11 but but that's not a like about rain choice. It is hold on. Let me think for a second and make sure I'm not mixing these up with 05:25 I can't remember. There was a reason I had an issue with it okay, and I can't remember the reason I had an issue with it. I think that it would give us less extreme candidates. Yes, yeah, that's all up and down the ballot right. That's definitely true yeah, because instead of like if you haven't, if you don't know how ranked towards voting works, I don't think we have the time to break down. You should absolutely go watch a YouTube video about it. 05:47 but like don't watch. Here's why it's bad, just what or here's why it's good. Just watch an explanation of what it is. Yeah, don't try to get an opinion because obviously people are going to try to be like well, and I'll tell you why they could, because if you get rain choice voting, it does take away a huge power that the parties have because it's you know you. You end up with more options yeah 06:11 and the parties really do not want rank choice voting to be implemented. I can tell you that because in the Missouri ballot this year, it's one of the ballot measures of do you want to implement rank choice voting? Here's how they described it on the bow. This is actually read it through. Did you say I read through everything to make sure I understood all the pieces and I remember reading that and being like this is incredibly misleading. Yes, because they because you're suppose if you want right towards voting, you have to vote no on the measure, but the measure starts with. Do you believe that every vote should be by a 06:41 US citizen yeah, and if you vote no to that they're like well, you voted no to sit in your like that's not, but if you read the other paragraphs they put that in there to to go into voting yes to strike down the measure and it's going to work. It's going to work in Missouri. That's not going to pass because they put that in there because the second I saw it. I was like well, this measure is dead because unless people went through the the effort of researching these opinions of how to vote on this, how that works so annoying 07:09 and they don't in the fact that they're allowed to word things like that. The fact that it's bar they spend months rewording and strategically doing crap like that is what I think that all the time with the bills where it's like you're allowed to just sneak other stuff into bills where it's like you voted for one thing, but now you're also agreeing to another thing. It's like why is that an ads against you yeah it's so absurd and that's what I'm saying is like dude, like why would 07:38 The reason we have insane people in politics is because we've made it so that if you're a sane person, it sucks to be in politics. Yeah. Why would any sane person look at what they're doing right now and go? I want to subject myself like to be a part of that that anyway. They that's why I get so stressed. That's why I'm radicalized now in lighter news. I won't play a quick game before we get too deep into this. This is a new game I'm calling 08:03 look at this close up of a side and try to guess what it is a website. No of a sign, so look at this close up of a side and try to guess what the rest of the sign we're talking about. That's the name of the side. Yes, we're going to talk about him. Oh, this is unrelated. This is a really this is a game of close ups of sign. Yeah, this is a zoomed in shot of a mini game. This is a mini game. Yeah sure yeah, consider him any so so I'm going to show you this really close zoomed shot of a sign 08:30 and you're going to have to try to guess what the sign is trying to sign you for. Does that make sense? Sure. All right, here we go. Here's the zoom 08:40 Why did you do this? What are they doing? What are they teaching you? What is the? What are they notifying you looks like an emergency pamphlet? So oh yeah that he's choking. That's the Hamak maneuver. You got it right. It's time 09:02 Yeah, it is the heimlich in Spanish. Why it is the I'm like. What is this? This is a poster that tells you how to do the heimlich in Spanish yeah, I get that's a zoom and this zoom 09:22 that Alex are we on my face right now? We just can we just sit on my camera for a second. I just want to hold on go back to the pig. Why are we back to my show back to my back to the big go back to my why back to the picture all right back to him and back to my angle. Why are we doing this in an episode? Why is this something like Tim Tim saw this somewhere and was like it's really funny. 09:47 that that girl's just hugging that guy from behind. I I'm going to be on. I tell you what though I've gone to church with this couple before like during worship. The wife is just yeah. Yeah, yeah, that is so rough. There was that couple. He's got his hand in her back pocket. Yeah and they're just yeah yeah. If you are touching another person during worship, you're doing it wrong. 10:10 that's my opinion. Okay, that's my personal opinion. It's very no lay hands here. Yeah. Why did you put her interval? I just think it's funny. I think it's funny for a lot of reasons, but honestly one of my favorite reasons is she's in color and he's in black and white and I don't understand he's pale because he's choking. Oh he's a fixiated yes. Oh, that makes more sense. All the color is left his face and his hair 10:41 all right. You should run these bits by me before you just like this. Okay, Alan McMaster's. Here's a picture of him. This is a guy from like the late eight hundred and well, look how pale he is. Someone do the high muck on that guy. I'm going to bury the lead on what he did for now. We'll come back to this. What he did right yeah. He was born eighteen sixty five. He was a Scottish 11:09 scientist later in his life, but he he went to University of Edenburg in the fall of eighteen eighty three and he studied philosophy. While I was there, he met a professor by the name of Fleming, Jenkin, Jenkin, Jenkin, Jenkin, Jenkin, Fleming, Jenkin, who connected him to the press 11:37 I don't think you took me a thing. You pronounce her out. I don't think you're not supposed to say that like that and then he his professor connected him to. I guess it's like the Department of Transportation for Scotland and Glasgow. Is that how you pronounce that Glasgow Glasgow? They were doing the underground, the the subway 12:06 Oh, okay, they call it the underground in Scotland and Europe and yeah the UK and all that. I don't know why we called a subway here because underground railroad was already taken. 12:21 I was an acceptable joke. I hear Alex typing as if it wasn't, but that was an acceptable joke. Okay, all right, so he gets he gets connected with the underground. I'm just here to do my whole job over here and go. How is this a joke? How is this a joke? So he got connected to the glass go underground, which 12:51 sick band name to all yeah. That's also very sick and I will say that would be like a venue. Yeah, the Glasgow Underground. I will say we're metal bands play yeah. That is true. Actually, I wanted really bad when I was in high school. I had this dream. Actually, it might have been early college. Me and Isaiah had this training skate park, no close Isaiah and I shared this dream. This was a dream. We had a church together. No, that was a later dream, but we had a dream to buy a 13:21 bank, but like not like if not not a functional bank, a defunct bank, yes, go ahead, open up a music venue in the say in the safe and call it, but yeah, no, the safe here is huge. That's true yeah and call it the vault and really do and you go through the vault door. There is a there is a bank. I want to say it's in Iowa that's been converted into a house. I saw one of those Zillow profiles. You know like one of those Zillow finds 13:50 there's like Zillow gone wild and there's like Zillow gone mild, which is just regular houses and then there's a little gone cool. I guess I guess but this one was actually pretty sick. It's an old bank that's been converted into a house and I was like that's and then I obviously like the final bank, like what era are we talking like you ever driven down the Paseo and there's that Chinese restaurant that's in that that small bank yeah that bank. That's the bank on sale. 14:18 for so oh no, but it's like that era. Okay, okay, yeah, like like an eighteen hundreds early, nine, ten, it's bank like a Bonnie and Clyde sure nice like a bank. So the underground, that are ground. He gets connected with them and he's like he's like late in college down. There's not big enough to be a venue though. You think you can play shows in there yeah where they put the soccer field? Oh you're talking about 14:46 that vault yeah. There's there are multiple vaults in this building yeah yeah that we own yeah. We have to keep our gold for our patrons. Their patrons pay in pure gold. They do they ship it yeah yeah. They're really reluctant. That's why we don't have a lot of patrons because I just sign up with a credit card. No, no trust that system. So he gets this job working for the Glasgow underground. How far into this episode are we 15:13 a fourteen minutes sucks really sorry for you, the listeners. We trimmed some of that yeah. The Glasgow underground hires him when you say that that means they know we made jokes that we had the cut out that. No, that just means that we know that we took a break for some reason. There's a lot of reasons we could have took a break being a breaks. Here's a commercial break before we get to it. Please don't please don't please don't 15:43 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time, so 16:10 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still. I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. Yeah. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 16:27 Okay, so the Glasgow underground hires him to help with like lighting all of the carriages underground, which I'm now realizing they use the word carriages in this Wikipedia article here and my brain was just like, oh, that's the they're from Scotland and so they just call the trains carriages, but now I'm realizing it's eighteen eighties and so maybe they actually are carriages in the underground. They just dug tunnels for the carriages. 16:56 how are their trains trains were? I mean they had trawls or subways. There's a better question. Okay, yeah, google that. I don't know about so I'm only interested in the stuff I can see above ground. I don't like those worm trains. 17:12 I have to search subway like like train subways because I don't like those sub train rain in oh is that what they got the name subterranean way interesting. Oh yeah. I guess did you just now put that together? Yeah, I did actually that sub is under yeah yeah. The first one was proposed in London in first subway yeah in eighteen forty three. It was an underground railroad 17:41 Wow trains are old dude. I mean I knew trains were old, but I just assumed that back then they were all like steam and stuff, so I don't think you could put those underground like when was the first rain 17:53 When was the first train first train was steam powered in eighteen or four pretty wild. Wow gosh 18:05 That's how I know aliens are real. 18:10 Okay, so he gets, he gets hired to light the carriages, which I'm now I'm returning back to. This was what they called the train cars, the carriages because they were really dim underground. They didn't have sunlight and so he gets hired to try to help light them. Yeah, and so he's making like special light bulbs at that like would work in there without being too hot and stuff like that and could actually run in the trains and so he's like a little engineering project and it goes over really, really well and so because of that the 18:38 Glasgow underground connects him with the London underground. And they're like, hey, this guy helped us figure out how to make it not so dark in here. And they're like, oh, my gosh, it's pretty dark in ours, too. Can you send him over here and see if he can figure out how to make it not so dark in ours also? Sure. And here's the thing. He's done it once already. So he just shows up and does the same thing. And it works great. And like, oh, my gosh, this guy knows how to make things not dark anymore. Yeah. And so part of that project. 19:07 one of the guys he worked with was a guy by the name of Evelyn Crompton. I'm realizing now I probably should have a picture of Evelyn Crompton, so I'm going to pull one real quick and honestly I'm going to be one hundred percent honest. What you think in your brain before seeing a picture of Evelyn Crompton is right. That's who Evelyn Crompton is here. He is a hold on fat man, not fat oh 19:37 I'm out. 19:41 I was a little off, but like I had the glasses right kind of little glasses, weird mustache, old guy and a three piece suit. Oh yeah, yeah he he owned the company. You're going to be surprised by the name of this crompton and co nice, which was that was back when you could just do it. You know yeah, now people going to come up with all these creative names and start 20:12 solar flare. What is that? I don't know what that is a time and so Cromden owns this company. This podcast is just called Myers and Friend 20:32 Crompton owns this company. And so they kind of hit it off and they become like. 20:46 friends. I would say friends. They go out for drinks a bunch and like they're like talking about engineering stuff. I don't know what you did back then and how people connected before football, but that's what they did and they would go out for drinks, do whatever one night there. They go out. Is it? This is, I mean, I don't have the exact year, but I would ballpark figure like the mid 21:16 They go out for drinks one night. Sure. Uh, and drink a lot of whiskey. They go back to Crompton's place and they're hanging out and, uh, he's kind of talking through with Crompton about, um, the original Glasgow line project and it's like, yeah, I was working with the filaments and he's like, originally I was trying to figure out how to make it cheaper. So I was using some cheaper metals to make it. 21:44 but those filaments got so dang hot it would start a fire. And he said, he said, it was so hot and like across the room. And he's like, he's like, are you serious? 22:14 and I'm going to be honest, I don't even remember the context. Oh, he's reading the night before Christmas and the uncle is like, are you serious, Clark? You know, I'm talking about, okay, you know, this is a serious work. You know, the scene I'm talking about, it's kind of the same thing. He's like, wait, are you serious about that? Like, that's kind of cool. And so they get together and they get that metal and they start experimenting with toasting bread with this metal. 22:40 okay, the two of them work together to create perfect the world's first toaster and so this is a rendition of what it looked like. It was pretty much imagine what a toaster looks like. If you take the shell off the toaster yeah, which I did, that's what this is and so honestly hilarious that you bought a toaster today. I walked in and I saw that and I was like gosh. We live in a simulation like this is insane. 23:07 but this is a big development because before this toast toasters were these they were literal trays that you just put over a fire like in the yeah. You just shoved your loaves in and you held them over a fire and they told your low yeah. I was this thing that you just shoved your loves and it was you doing it a dead pay for 23:33 I shoved the lovin. 23:39 And then I projectile vomit it. 23:49 That was me making a call back to a different episode. You just shoved your loaves in and then put them in the fire, so he came back to Crompton and he was like look what I made and Crompton's like this is legit and so like I'll toast to that yeah. Hey, there you go. They're flying here. No okay, and so they took it to market. 24:13 Crompton's business started selling it as the recording. I let three hundred Nats loosen this apartment. 24:21 he has no idea he's deadly allergic to now I just doing a sides to my camera as if you couldn't hear me like just diary room things. I go. Can you believe this right now? 24:36 back to it. Okay, so he started. They started selling it. They made it the eclipse, which is way cooler than the toast. They started selling it as a clips and it was the it was the heating element on a ceramic base, which I showed you the picture of and it just plugged into a regular lamp. So it's wild that we used to just be able to sell stuff. It was like you can really really burn yourself on this. Well, 25:04 By 1894, so this must have been early 1890s of some pretty major controversy because one of those things melted And this fire was like huge news, 25:33 gave this comment to the paper and said user error. They blamed the woman yeah, of course, and they said that it's her fault for not holding appropriate respect for the power of the electric toaster. It's not our fault. Her man wasn't around the direct quote kills me. It's not a it's it's her fault for not holding appropriate respect for the power of the electric toaster. What a crazy thing to say when it's like hey, what do you think about this woman who died in this fire this week? 26:02 even the number of car accidents. Well, when you're not respecting the power the ram fifteen hundred all new for tough and yes one if your fault really, if you think about it, well, that's her fault for not respecting the terms and conditions. She 26:29 she she downloaded Disney plus cross plus so McBaster's went on to also invent the electric kettle and a handful of other like electronic devices. Okay, here's the thing plugged into an outlet yeah just plugged into a regular out. When did they do outlets around the same time? I guess it was said a lamp outlet, so my guess is they had outlets specifically for lamps before everything else started just using electricity. Yeah, my guess 26:55 I think we're going to get to a point where there's no outlets and we're just USBC and everything or US being not USB anymore USBC. I mean I think there's gonna or do you think was get to a point where everything is nuclear 27:10 Could be. I mean, I think there could be a point where there's, I think there could be a set of lava. It's just a, it's a little nuclear blob in there. I do see a potential world. I don't see usbc. They have to come up with a new usb because there's not enough power going through that to power a lot of the appliances and stuff we have. So we have to be a thing. Our in the usb there is in the usbc is pretty powerful for like a toaster or like a microwave or tv. I don't know 27:40 my my linder or an air fryer or a electric piano or a soda stream or a espresso machine or a refrigerator. Okay, well, I'm done with this bit, but I could see a space heater. I could see a possible world where your fire stop it. I could see a possible world where 28:07 and there is like a little hot tub. Tim doesn't like when I do bits. I don't like it. A lot of times Tim doesn't like when I do bits because it interrupts the flow of the episode and he's trying to get the information out. So I what I see I was talking. I know I picked up on the bit you picked up on it when I just you there's a 28:32 like there's a there's a podcast review. I don't have we talked about it. There's a podcast review where someone said love the show been listening for a long time. Jerons become a big jerk and he really makes fun of Tim a lot and it's actually like I forget what the words are, but it's like wow. Jaren lately has been. I think it says you're in a incessant jerk yeah, Jeron, Jeron, beginning in incessant and I'm like I don't think you were a big fan of the show to begin with because this has been from episode war. This is not normal. I didn't start 28:59 I wasn't just like I haven't been getting meaner to Tim. He's been this. He's just been getting more sensitive about it. This has been our friendship and that's because he didn't realize the heart. He didn't harness the power of my humor correctly. 29:16 No, what I'm trying to say, what I see more likely is I see a possible world where our walls within the walls. There's just power banks, so you could just put things close to the wall and it would charge that feel. Let's charge fry our brains. It could. Okay, we don't care. We've never cared about that before. It's going to be eating. I was going to I don't think it'll stick. I think you can just set it on the dresser next to it. It's close enough to get the juice. That's my that's my my premonition. Okay, yeah. 29:46 and you'd have it on all four walls. So that way it'd be beams of energy hitting your brain from all four sides. I don't know that's gonna be good for we're gonna microwave our brain cells. I whenever we ever cared that's true. So Alan dies in 19, I think, 26, Alan Masters. Yeah Alan dies in a night. We like sixties. Yeah, he does relatively young and he kind of like 30:13 He got to be a part of all this stuff and he got credit for it, but it wasn't like it was a big deal. Like it really was like Crompton made the toaster was kind of the thing. a Scottish like tabloid picks up the story and they list off. It's like it's an article called Made in the UK. 30:42 the life-changing everyday innovations And so they highlight all these Scottish And the toaster is on the list. it's just a picture of the toaster throughout the rest of the 2010s, 31:12 gets a ton of attention and everybody starts to really, really love him and he becomes like a figure in schools that kids are. They have like assignments where they're doing like reports on his technology and they're like they have artworks that they're supposed to do of him and there was he was featured in TV shows a lot like the great British bake off. They had an episode where it was like one of the bakers devoted their 31:41 cake to Alan McMaster yeah and it was like themed off toasters, the toaster yeah themed on toasters and stuff like that, and so he became like is actually a working cake where you can push this down and two pieces go into it and then they come out and then they pop out yeah yeah. It's different and then it and it hit a fever pitch in twenty eighteen. There was this ballot for they were changing the face on the fifty dollar bill in Scotland and to 32:09 Alan McMaster was one of the candidates. He didn't win, but he was one of the candidates to put his image on the fifty dollar bill all a bit, and so it was just this huge or deal of in the twenty tens like there was a huge, a huge deal that right. It made this person up, but here's the thing. This is Alan McMaster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty funny. That's a good bit, so Alan McMaster's 32:39 that if you're not watching, this is a picture of honestly a pretty typical reddit user. It's a dude with a sick shirt that's made out of just handkerchiefs and his pants to I mean great outfit, honestly great fit styles. Yeah cool hair, very thin Alan McManager's super fit 33:06 not fit then those boys were super fit so hot. All right, dude. 33:17 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. So if you want to keep learning stuff, that's happening in the Till and Verse. 33:43 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, but I'm sticking with it. You can go to tilland.com. and everything that's going on in the Till and Verse. 34:08 So Alan, the real Alan McMaster was a aerospace engineering student at University of Surrey. and the professor was going through research methods. Wikipedia for your research like every professor always does. 34:37 and shows that the Wikipedia page for the toaster has one of the professors from the university as the inventor of the toaster. Like they changed it and they put his name in that for like the bit to be able to do this every year and say, look, this is one of our professors. Obviously he didn't invent the toaster in 1902 because he's still here. 34:56 and all the students were like, well, how do I like right, right, right, right? This is really just them doing an elaborate cover up of a vampire on staff at this university. And like clearly he didn't invent the toaster in 1902 because he's still alive to teach this class. So later that night, Alan and his friend Alex are kind of talking about it. They pull up the article and they look at it and Alex is like, hey, what if we made you the inventor of the toaster? Like, yeah, that's funny. You order it. So they do it. They make the change. 35:26 so wow, really funny dudes here because they went to class. The professor's like look at this funny thing we did and then they went back to the dorm like what if we did the exact same thing? What if we just what if we did his bit? Well, they took it and I should say so they did it and then further well a year later they noticed that it was still there. No one ever caught it. No one ever changed it. So Alex 35:56 I was like, hey, Alan, I think we could level this up. And so Alex commissions a friend to take this photo of him. And so he does up his hair and what he assumes is an old school hairstyle. They Photoshop in sideburns and then he didn't have any clothes that he felt looked like fit that era. So they made it look like they tore it. So that tear is a fake tear that they Photoshopped in. Obviously, to me, they acted like it was a tour picture that they like scanned in. 36:25 Oh, this was the idea that they were trying to do and then they that's him. That's Alex. That's the friend Alex. This is for now. This is Alan. Say they're not the same yeah, but yeah, this is the other friend Alex they use for the picture and so they then create an actual page and they create this whole back story, but they did a really good job with it because all these people and all these companies and places are real and the time frames that they're connecting them to our real 36:53 time frame, so they did their research on the toaster, but they just changed Alan McMaster's. What are you? Are you doing your oh man? It's we're so glad you're home for Christmas break son. Tell us about school this semester. Oh, I mean I've been I've been up to my eye. Oh my gosh, it's been been doing this research product project on ever heard of the underground 37:22 you know time up, you know what I'm talking about and now with like the trains and stuff the other one and yeah. I just been researching this a lot. I mean like I can't go to sleep right now. I've got to. I've got to read up about Evelyn some more going to respond to your text. I don't know. It was a door dash during I didn't door dash here. I door dashed for my wife at home. Is she at home? She's getting home in a couple minutes from work and you were like or dashed her dinner. Yes, 37:52 Wow yeah. What you do? What? Why are you guys fighting that you had to make up for it with a door dash? I didn't cook dinner, so there's no left over. She has nothing to eat, but you did cook her eggs this week right. I did cook breakfast. I meal, pep her breakfast. I didn't meal prep her dinner yeah yeah yeah good for you pal yeah. So that's exactly what happened. They built this old ash, my wife, some 38:22 They built this whole back story for them and they connected it to real people. 38:31 but they made up that story of it getting invented. They made up the story of the first fire thing and their response to the first fire like none of that stuff actually happened. I'm going to toward as your wife's going to send her another dinner. 38:50 get out of here. Your address is in my door dash. You're going to send her a better dinner, yeah and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then when you get home, so I got two dinners, you like which one did you eat? That's pretty good, pretty fun bit, so that's a bit that we should do in the show, not your heimlich bit. Yeah. What what do you think this sign is? I wish I had another side ready to put this in the fifty dollar bill 39:19 Yeah, so they put this whole Wikipedia article out yeah and in twenty fourteen it does get picked up by that that tabloid sees it doesn't fact check it. They pick it up and they make that article and then it just kind of goes wild for the next ten years. It's they're featured in news where like news, you know how you got to fan the flames and that stuff. You know you got to be like you got to get on reddit and be like you see this or they did not do anything. They just put up this Wikipedia article and that was it. That was the whole bit and then I think it caught this 39:49 So this becomes a real thing. and the school district had a day The British Bake Off thing actually happened. printed that he was the inventor of the toaster. 40:15 This started running and Alan, the actual Alan, out of college, he was reading a book, it was a book on Victorian era inventors And he's like, oh maybe this was a mistake. 40:44 the page was up until twenty, twenty two. I would have taken that to the grave to be honest. Oh yeah, and I think that was their plan, but in twenty, twenty two there was a a fifteen year old redditor named Adam, which is eerie that the characters in this Alan, Alan, and so I have one thing we just did. Yeah, we just said that we said Alex at the same time. Yeah, that was pretty weird. Let's try it again. Yeah, okay, 41:14 Alex, I see I mess it up that time thing, so he was in class, say who we voted for, so he was in class in twenty, twenty two. He was at school clay again 41:35 and I'm still better. He was in class and it was the same thing. He's in high school. His teacher is talking about the great and he goes enter of the toaster. He didn't I did know he so he shows him that and he shows them the Wikipedia page and he sees that picture and this kid is immediately like. I don't think that picture is real. He's like that looks like photoshop and it's twenty, twenty two and so this kid at fifteen years old looks at that. He goes home that night. 42:04 and he downloads it and he looks at the metadata and he sees that it was made in Photoshop and he's like, I think this is fake. So he goes to Reddit, there's a Reddit community. I think this is fake. There's a sub Reddit called Wikipedia vandalism, which is hilarious. But it's like people who are looking for vandals of Wikipedia. Sure. And he uploads that picture and he says, hey, this is a fake image that I found on this Wikipedia page. This sub Reddit digs deeper. They end up uncovering that the whole thing was fake. 42:31 So the page gets flagged for deletion and then Alex's Wikipedia account ends up getting banned from Wikipedia and they market that it was the whole thing was a big old hoax. So that's how it got uncovered. Was this this kid this kid didn't know the whole thing was fake. He thought it was just just that picture, just that picture. And so Alan, the real Alan, this Alan, yes, he made 42:57 he has a new secret Wikipedia account that he now contributes to, but like seriously and he's like that's my like apology. He's like I don't want anyone to know what the account is because I don't want to get banned and he's like, but as an apology, I'm like contributing to Wikipedia. Now I keep changing. I keep changing stuff because I like it. This was actually a really wild ride because I actually really love it, but yeah for years and in multiple print publications and encyclopedias, Alan McMaster's is the inventor. 43:26 of the toaster, but that wasn't true. It looks like it was a handful of different companies of that development. One of my favorite parts about the toaster, 43:58 is that under at the very bottom of the page, they have related products is what it says. Oh, so things similar to toasters and there's only there's only one item and it's the hot dog toaster, which I love so much. Have you ever seen me? I have and you know what is weird about it to me? Where does the juice from the hot dog go? I probably just drains just like 44:22 just like the crumb. They have the crumb catcher. They probably have a separate train soggy for your hot dog juice. No, I bet there's a crumb catcher and then I bet there's a trot. You know what I've I know what I'm doing. Yeah, I toast my hot dogs and then I and then the best part is when you had to open the thing and just take a quick shot of the hot dog juice. That's the best part. The best part about using the hot dog is there the little shot at the end 44:49 Oh what the shot at the end? I don't know what you're talking about. It's my favorite part, but yeah, I love this. Whoever thought of this great person, a little hot dog shaped holes in the middle, little bun shaped holes in the outside. You make two of them genius idea. Honestly, I don't know why I don't have. I ever come to someone's house and they have a hot dog toaster on the counter and like 45:13 readily accessible yeah like right there. It's like it's not put away somewhere. That's something you didn't even get as a gag gift. You have it on your counter and it like looks used. You know, I'm talking about like it looks like it's been used a couple times. Yes, yeah, that's a lot of judge yeah that you look in the in the juice trough and it's full. You know you're not even taking the shooters out of this. It literally like it gives me a lump of my throat. I felt that to rose now, but this is this is a textbook example of circular reporting where this came out of one source. 45:43 and then one source along the line didn't fact check it, and eventually it just kind of got out of control. where somewhere along the line that they got their information from and then repeated it 46:08 because really in Scotland for years, for about 10 years, everyone was just like, yeah, Alan McMaster's invented the toaster and he's really important to our lives and we want him on the $50 bill, which is crazy. There's another really popular example of this right now, circular reporting on TikTok. I don't know if you've seen this. No. Speaking of November 5th, no, it does not relate to that at all. Have you seen these reports that there's an alien armada coming to the United States of America? 46:37 and the James with space, teleco telescope spotted them and NASA's reporting it. Have you seen those on tick tock those videos? We have some moments that our episodes take some weird turns stick with us and I promise you it'll get better. We have similar algorithms right. I do not get those videos. No, it's a really big thing right now. A lot of people on tick tock are saying oh my gosh now, so 47:04 they're saying reporting on NASA just said that the James Webb Space Telescope saw a armada coming towards like a NASA coming towards Earth. No, who said that? I don't know who originally said that, but what I'm my guess is what it looks like is that whoever originally said this took and jumbled together a James Webb Space Telescope report with the old a mua mua. Remember that yes and they put that together to be like James. 47:33 space telescope saw a mua mua and they don't know what it is and it's probably aliens and then this just has catapulted and now there's there's I see I'm not it. I'm not exaggerating when probably once a day I see a video where people are like responding and it's like it's like that it's like you like and share the video interesting perspective. No, it's like it's like you know those ones where it's like the green screen where it's like the face and then behind it is like them reacting to another tick tock and I 48:03 I see that almost every yeah it's just high quality, just very value giving content on the internet yeah and it's and it's like the fourth or fifth tick tock. We're going to start promoting our podcast just like that. That's hilarious. Really funny you over clips of you, you're just like we got to hear a couple and then there's a whole 48:33 and then just cut to another shot and be like like I've been saying this for a while. It's great to see someone else saying this for a while. Make sure you hit the follow button, but yeah, I mean this is a great example of why we should always check your sources and if you are, if you're like sitting here like watching this and you're like well, how do I make sure I have the right information? That's why we have info wars dot 49:01 and if you support us on patreon, maybe we can buy info wars that we can take down the people who are trying to trying to you know. I got to pay all my legal fees because I lied about those families. Do you think the domains for sale on the bankruptcy auction? 49:20 it won't be cheap, but it'll be worth it. It'll be the best thing I ever buy. So yeah, so circular reporting is a dangerous thing. Sure, we need to be careful about it, and so that's why this podcast has firmly committed to only reporting off stuff we find on Wikipedia. So we're glad that you're checking this out. Who knows how much we've talked about that is just made up from Wikipedia as possible, but we don't check our sources. We don't have time to check our sources yeah. 49:49 So here's the interesting thing. The story goes. If you read that, the initial report of that that night where they were whiskied up and they started working on this original toaster, yeah, they were having a hard time with powering the toaster because like they only had lamp outlets and that did not give enough power to burn toast right, and so they held a they drew a pentagram on the ground. 50:17 and they said. They said Satan. We don't know what to do. We're having a problem. We can't figure out how to turn on this toaster. They called them the dark power of Satan guys that we can't figure out how to power this toaster like sade said, and that's actually a little known fact is that the heat that burns your toast is the fires of hell. 50:42 and said said said said said the Daly said hey Alan, here's the deal. He said you beat me in a duel and I'll tell you the secret to getting this toaster away to fit a law. 50:58 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of things. I learned last night. If you like this and you want more of it, we got a whole back catalog, like two hundred something episodes. You can go listen to one of those in the story of Frank Abagnale from the movie. Catch me if you can, you know Leonardo DiCaprio, you know our friend Thomas Hanks was in that movie and but 51:17 what you might not know what I didn't know when we recorded the episode is that the entire story is a lie, just things that we just all believed because there was a movie about it. We're like oh yeah, that's true. We did the same thing. It turns out it was all made up not to give away the ending, but that episode is linked somewhere. You can go watch that here. The crazy stories and then hear how Frank Abagnale Junior actually made a living off of his lies. 51:40 and so again next week's episode is available right now. You don't have to wait for it. You can check that out on Patreon. That just helps us fund the show. We don't make any money off this. That just helps us create more of this and to put out episodes regularly. We really love doing this and we really love that you were here for this one, so we'll see you next week. We will never stop doing this show. I promise you if this show stops, I'm dead, which that'll be really eerie to watch one day for being here for things over last night. 52:12 This episode was produced by our masters is edited by his friend Alex. It was engineered by a fifteen year old kid named Adam.


History can sometimes be tricky to unravel. One example is the story of Alan MacMasters, who was often named the inventor of the electric toaster. But did he really invent it, or is it a case of circular reporting? Let’s explore this fascinating example of how myths can take root in history. Who Was Alan MacMasters? Alan MacMasters is widely … Read More

New Evidence in the Havana Syndrome Case | Ep 247

10-29-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, this is things I learned last night. This week we learned about Havana Syndrome, a conspiracy that says that there are I don't know a truth, the idea that there are diplomats in the United States who are being attacked by some kind of high pitch noise that leaves lasting brain damage. Yes, yeah and we have like genuine paperwork to follow this trail. It's not a conspiracy theory. Okay, sure 00:23 this episode comes out October twenty nine. What do you got going on? Jaren speaking of following the paper trail, you can follow the ticket sales to discover that October twenty nine. Oh yeah happy, but that happy seven years to tillin. How about that? Is it seven or eight? It's been seven years. Oh, I thought it was a been seven long cash next year and anyway this weekend I'll be in Canada, so they don't get our podcasts up there. I make sure of it and then next weekend I think I have off and then the weekend after that yeah. The church comedy tours all of November, so 00:52 come hang out will be in Virginia, South Carolina, Florida, Texas, Kansas and Georgia would love to see you there. Please, please, please, please come to these shows because this is this is a big deal for me, and if these shows don't sell out, I don't know mentally what I'll do, so I will. It's going to be a dark December at our house. I don't 01:20 anyway, so come to the shows. It'd be a great time. Thanks for checking out the show. 01:27 Hey man, hey dude, hey last episode you look like one kind of uncle and now you look like the other kind of uncle. 01:38 you know saying I yeah when both walk in the house you're like oh that uncle's here. I walk into the house. Your mom goes I didn't know he was coming on invite him, didn't think he'd show yeah. I really was hoping really was count on. I'm not coming to this. If they both show up to Thanksgiving yeah, it's messed up yeah and they're both both of them are like I'll be here for another three weeks. I'll be here till Christmas and they don't say that to your mom. They said that to you yeah yeah. 02:07 yeah loud enough that your mom can hear and she goes. Oh your dad's like. Can I talk to you in the kitchen and then and then your dad's not there for the next couple weeks yeah yeah, but no one knows where he is at the best western in town and he comes he comes back for dinner and he literally just walks in eats 02:30 fifteen minutes walks out gets a paper plate gets another paper plate puts it on top and then walks out. It's dinner to go from it. So now it's a topic this week. Have you heard of a non of anomalous health incidents? Anomalous health incidents anomalies? Yes, also known as Havana syndrome. No, you haven't heard of this. Oh, that's kind of 02:59 I'm kind of excited that you haven't heard this close. That's that is a syndrome, having a syndrome, a syndrome. I'm kind of surprised you haven't heard of this honestly, knowing who you are, but here I should say this is an interesting topic because is this like people who end up talking with different accents and stuff? No this is an episode that I thought about doing an episode on in twenty eighteen. 03:29 so like very early for our podcast and I want you to for a second in your brain. Remember twenty eighteen Tim and the episodes that twenty eighteen Tim chose to do and in twenty eighteen I researched this topic and I got to a point where I was like this is just a conspiracy theory. This isn't real and now this year you get to a point where your two thousand and eighteen discernment was like this is a conspiracy theory. This isn't real. Yes, yeah in two thousand and eighteen 03:58 okay, but this year some things have happened to you. No, no in in this storyline about six months ago, some some things happened. Something happened that made me be like oh, maybe they were right. You know how that happens with conspiracy theory. Sometimes okay, what happened? So I'll tell you what it is and then we can kind of go through the story. All right, let's just go through this sure sure sure sure. So this started in twenty sixteen when a 04:28 group of United States and Canadian diplomats at the embassy in Havana, Cuba, which should be noted that was brand new at the time because we did not have diplomatic relationships with Cuba right forever, and then during Obama's presidency, we opened that door, set up this embassy, and we were there for. I don't know how long a year or two years before this happened. There's a group of Canadian and US diplomats that 04:58 reported an event and in this event they heard a loud ringing noise and that was described in a couple different ways. The descriptions of this were either a loud ringing noise like in a movie when a bomb goes off and the main character is like yeah so it's described that way but was also described by some people as like a pulsating 05:26 noise like a consistent high pitch sounds okay, this new bit that I do to people where I just hold up my phone and I go hey, you want to hear my new song and then I just 05:44 and they're like till they're like. I don't hear anything and I'm like oh oh you have old ears. Oh yeah. The pitch is really high here. This unless you're y'all pitch is pretty high. Sorry, that's kind of another bit. I'm trying to do. I chickened out today, but I try. I'll show you a video is. I'm trying to do this thing called lying to uber drivers. What I think it'd be funny. I think it'd be funny. I chickened out today because the guy was really nice. 06:14 but I would love because I told her my group in Chicago and then I said we moved. I said we moved because my house got broken into okay. He goes really I was like yeah, I mean it was bad as Christmas time and I started. I was sure I was going to try to convince this guy that home alone happened to me. What was your life and and then I chickened out because I was like ah. This is kind of 06:41 you know English is in his first language. Oh yeah, it just it was like I don't. I want to do this to someone who there's not the language barrier where it's like this looks like I'm making fun of you because you don't yeah, you get what I'm saying. Yeah is I wanted it to be like you. You're not going to. You might not know this movie for other reasons. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but that would be really funny. You're like yeah, but I son like 07:04 set up these booby traps. This one's ready to do. No, I was trying to be like I said these booby trap. I got away from these two robbers, then I was going to try to this thing. I was like man. I've been trying to get on the foot. I you know I went to college, you know I did and I was trying to get on the football team yeah and thinking I could never. I was no matter how much I tried. I was like come on man coach put me in. I'm ready. You know I was mowing like the field 07:34 every week and then like and then one day do it. The whole team was like chair in that's hilarious. Yeah, I was like I was a missionary in the jungle and there was this dude that we met there. Yeah, it was like like, but like it wasn't a dude. It was like a it was like a human, but he was also kind of like a gorilla a little bit and like he actually fell in love with my girl. 08:04 And she stayed. I was like, Jane. 08:09 and so I shouldn't use her name yeah, but isn't that funny to try to convince really an uber driver that a movie is my life, so I was good because I'm trying to think of my my wife as a twitch streamer. You can follow her regan in Myers on twitch and so I was trying to think of things that I could do on live. 08:26 and that's something that I want to start doing is I just want to go live on Instagram really hey guys, it's time to lie to another uber driver get in and see how far I can take it yeah before I get caught. I love that that's a good bit. I do like that bit. I do like that, but so anyway, tell your Havana story. Yeah, so they were these bits I was trying, so they're hearing this ringing sound and then they feel like this pressure in their inner ear and they describe it like it like if you took a q tip too far in yeah, yeah, 08:55 I feel that feeling and then they start to get like a pulsing headache yeah, and then a lot of times it's accompanied with nausea afterwards. Most of them they had they got nauseous and so here's an animation of what this syndrome might 09:14 it's just a brain that looks like it hurts. You're going to do like the front of a this is the this is on an aspirin yeah. This is an aspirin bar bottle. It's like does your head feel like this and it's just a brain blowing up. It feels like my brain is getting electrocuted, but they're the first person in this they call him patient zero because is the first person that we on run record that this happened to. He actually has had like serious 09:43 lifelong effects out of this. He went blind in his left side okay, and his hearings almost gone in his left side, and now what's strange is he can't balance on his own. He has to wear a weighted jacket where the jacket is like shifted the weight one side, because his librium yeah is off and he can't balance. I can see in your eyes of where you're like. Please help me say this word. Please say this word for me like his. Say this word for me equilibrium. Oh yeah, equal 10:13 Equal Warium, Equal Equator, and so this happened a couple of times at the embassy in Cuba. Here's a picture of the embassy in Cuba with the cop from cars. 10:28 okay. It looks like the Harvey Casino actually kind of is this an AI image. No, this is a real image. Okay, that car does look funky though. I do. I will say the front end of that car looks a little weird. What yeah, I thought it's like the uncanny valley got you, but anyways, so this happens a couple more times in Cuba and then over the course of the next couple years, it starts happening more and more 10:53 to different United States diplomats around the world. It happens in Australia, it happens in Georgia, not the state, the country. Where they're like getting these headaches? They're hearing this high pitched sound and then they're getting these headaches and then they have the same sort of long term effects. Their vision goes in one side, their hearing starts to go. The biggest, most common thing is the balance. So many of them can't balance on their own anymore and most of them, it is so debilitating that they can't. 11:21 be a diplomat anymore. Their job they like have to retire from their role happen to Joe Biden. He can't balance anymore. Well, one of the effects that a lot of them talk about that they they have a hard time remembering words and so they're sitting there and they're like they're like what's that word? You know what I'm trying to say, so what I do all the time actually yeah. Did I get a van a what's the other word for Havana Syndrome or a non 11:50 anomalous health incidents. Yeah, so that's yeah, that's the politically correct term for it. 12:03 okay, so this day is very quiet and the government starts. There's some like underground movement in the government and to like protect their people from this, but it doesn't hit the news. It's only happening to Americans, well and those Canadians, okay, that were also at they were there at the time and so it's kind of like they just happened to be there. You know if they weren't there, what i have happened to him. What's really significant about this? I forgot to mention is that the the sound 12:33 is very localized and so they could be in one like the sound is in the corner of the room and they could walk away from that corner to the other corner. They can't hear it anymore, but then they go back to that corner, they hear it again and the same feeling is there and so it's not like you can't hear it in the whole say that's very strange. So the U S appears to kind of start to protect its people from this and 12:58 there's like some memos where they're talking about not until like 2022, but these memos got released but it wasn't public until 2017 that Patient Zero came forward and started talking about and how he had to leave his post. 13:28 puts out a whole story about it. And it pretty quickly becomes like a conspiracy theorist fodder and it becomes this crazy story of like, oh, this other nation and these people are doing this and messing people's heads, you know. 13:44 And that's kind of... 13:48 that's kind of where it is and in twenty eighteen when I found this, I was like man. This is crazy, like basically what the conspiracy theorists were saying was China had developed a ray gun that they were shooting at our United States diplomats to mess up their brains and I and I saw that I was like this seems pretty far fetched and so after looking into it, I decided in twenty eighteen I'm not going to cover this, but in 14:18 in twenty nineteen. There was a special committee held on this in congress with the a group of individuals and experts, a group of individuals from the defense, defense intelligence agency that decided they were going to go ahead and investigate this further sure, and they came before congress and basically got permission to go do a large scale investigation and probe the pentagon and find more people yeah. 14:47 who had this happen to them and in two thousand and twenty two that report came out and the report is very interesting because they they were able to locate fifteen hundred members of the United States government that this has happened to. What's interesting about these people is they all are diplomats that work for either the FBI, CIA or D O D. 15:13 and they have been stationed overseas or sometimes in the states. And what's interesting, the connection that the Defense Intelligence Agency made is that all of them, either in their recent career or on their most recent assignment, was something related to Russia, every single one of them. And they all reported very similar events where they were... 15:40 somewhere on assignment or even at their own home. And they heard this piercing noise and it was followed by all of those effects. And many of them, it was so intense that, and it led to such a long-term effects that they ended up having to medically retire from their role. And there was, what was interesting is in this report, they noted that these individuals, they're like, there's no low ranking individuals. There's no, not even mid-level individuals. Make these people? 16:09 no that are that it's happening to he's. They said only happening to the. These are here like these are our best of the best. These are our top five percent. So are you? Are you saying this is related to the pagers? So that's interesting. I do have a note on that. We'll get to that in a little okay, okay, okay, 16:28 So these, they recount all these stories, and they do get a handful of witnesses to come forward and talk about this. And many of them come forward to talk to 60 Minutes in 2022, and they do interviews with 60 Minutes. I've watched all these 60 Minutes episodes. What was very interesting, well, actually sidebar, there was a woman that has happened to, there was a woman that this happened to, she is not a member of the US government, but her husband is a diplomat. 16:58 they were stationed overseas, she was at home, and she was doing laundry, and she heard that sound hit, and she said that the sound knocked her over. It was so intense then, and it hit so hard that it knocked her over. And she gets up and she walks to the other room, and I should note, she was one of the most monotone individuals I've ever heard speak, and she used very, like, I don't know what the right word is. The first word that comes to mind for me is explicit, but it's not explicit. Like, it's like. 17:27 Yeah, like she's just very direct and precise and monotone and she's like she's like I was standing in a laundry room fold. This is too. That's too much tone. I was standing in the laundry room folding on holding laundry and then then the Whirlpool laundry machine turned against me 17:45 I do believe the China was involved shot in the laundry. We should show me the Reagan, but she in the most monotone voice, the most monotone. If you don't, if you don't empty the land trap, gun comes out, your ray gun goes empty, the Lutra empty, the Lutra or else I blow up your brain. 18:09 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, a great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. 18:21 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 18:54 and so the she she says the most monotone terms. What happens if she's like she's like I felt this intense pain. I walked from the laundry room to the bathroom and then in the most monotone voice, I laughed out loud and I should have, but I laughed out loud because of the most monotone voice being so direct. She's like I walked to the bathroom and I projectile vomited all over the bathroom, so monotone, so direct, so cold faced, just other people suffering makes him laugh. 19:22 sorry, you can other people suffering so funny. Puking is a I was holding the laundry. I heard this sound and then I walked to the bedroom and projectile vomited across the there's nothing funny like she's like like a bedtime story audio book reader. Yeah, yeah, kind of close your eyes. It was just how monotone she was and how direct she was with her terms. 19:52 then to just say projectile, vomiting or walking to do. There is only sleep and projectile vomiting to do and so in her case, what was interesting is her case. They dug up was actually twenty fourteen, so it's before we had a rule at twenty no projectile vomiting yeah, no, not a lot. No, we had a rule because like kids wouldn't hydrate right, and so it was like all right. We have we have like Gator is we got like the sugary drinks, whatever, but you can't have those until you drink to 20:22 like glasses of water yeah like you got to have two glasses of water with your with your meal before you can drink one of those yeah and so kids would chug two glasses of water and then they would start drinking their powerade and eating their food and so so many kids at lunch every day at lunch and then we did can for five days and you would you would think surely after the second day of kids doing this. 20:44 they'd be like they were to learn yeah. You know no one did day five. Kids are still just chugging the waters and then taking a swig of the blue powerade and then and then turning and projectile vomiting in the camp for 21:03 I love that and I love that you guys never told them how to do better. No, we did every day. That's what I'm saying every single day. We were like hey, don't you it's because you're chugging the water and your tiny little your tiny little fourth grade stomachs can't hold this figure this out. Quit doing that yeah and they were like they were like 21:27 I'm serious. There's nothing funnier than some. I don't feel so good Mr Myers, drink another water here, have more water, maybe jug that tug it as fast as you can. So what's significant is this story was the one in Georgia yeah and this happened in twenty fourteen K. What they found were in Georgia in twenty fourteen, not that Georgia 21:55 what is very man. Sometimes I still think about that church in Georgia in twenty fourteen. What do you think about that church and how weird that guy was to us? Yeah and why how he told us about him staying on the on the corner of the road, dresses a homeless person, during him telling us that story. I do really actually I forgot like and then and he goes and he's personally handed me a dollar had hand him a guy. I stood right outside of our church, dress as a homeless person and then each person that gave me a dollar 22:24 I would hand him a card of a good job, my good and faithful servant and then on Sunday morning I walked in here dresses at homeless first, I got on stage and I said I was out there and only a few of you saw me and he's like and I saw all of you and none of telling it dude and I was like I read this story on Facebook to dude 22:44 Yeah, we met some interesting a big crush on daughter, though. What was the what was the what was the what was the one in? I was a was one in Colorado, a high, but there was a gives me headaches is your voice. It was there was something there was one in Colorado and there was something to do with bad. Do you know what I'm talking about? There was some at the guy in Colorado had some story with bats. 23:11 and I don't remember what it was, but I remember to be like what up with the what's up with the fat? I don't remember. I just remember the bats. Do you know what I talking about? Is it in Pueblo? No, it wasn't Pueblo. It was in. Oh, I can't even gosh. I've been out of Denver so long. I don't remember what that town's called. No starts with the W Westminster. Yeah. Thank you, geez. I can't believe I forgot that and we were up in 23:40 No, because that that church and he wanted to build a parking lot. He told us about it. He wanted to build the parking. You're talking about the parking. I also told us a bat that starts with a B that's dang. I was there like every year, but I know exactly who talking about yeah and he he start. He wanted to build with the bats. Yeah, he had something about bats. I can't remember what it was though. Anyway, this this is not interesting. So in Georgia, she she has that guy thought he was going to grow his church big enough that he was going to need a parking garage next door is what that 24:09 that story was yeah, so he was a god just gave me a vision of a park. That's how he had a story lot. Yeah, it was even into claw across street and God gave me a vision of a parking garage and it was like a suburban Baptist church. It was like like. Can you imagine you in your suburb suburban neighborhood, the church building a parking garage and then you pull up and there's a homeless guy outside the parking garage and he looks a lot 24:39 like dude, pastor Dave's got a twin and he doesn't take care of him. It doesn't look for you. Yeah, that makes you look really bad. Got any change, sir, chocolate milk, 24:59 that's a call back to an old episode. Got a bad. That was that the storm he was looking for bad. Okay, no so there in Georgia. She this thing happens to her and reacted all to my the high pitch noise that gives me headaches is your voice. That's really good. I thought pretty funny, so comment below. If you thought that was when I listen back to this podcast, I list at point five speed just to lower the tone of Tim's 25:30 Honestly, honestly, I bet at point five speed is still pretty I pitched. 25:44 So in Georgia, this thing happens to her. They go back and because they're members of like the consulate, they have a lot of security cameras. They go back, they watch security camera footage. The night before, a van that they don't recognize comes up and a man gets out of the van and walks out of camera view, but they can hear him talking in Russian and what they hear him say was, it's blinking green, is that what it's supposed to do? 26:13 I love a guy who's just like yeah. Is this is that supposed to talking so loudly? It's blinking green. Is that what it's supposed to do? If you're planting a bomb somewhere, rule number one is maybe don't talk about the bomb on speaker phone and then he says and then he says, should I just leave it on all night? Oh my and then yeah and then he goes back to the car he leaves next day when it happens. She goes she projectile vomits she like and she goes 26:43 she tries blinky thing. She tries to walk across the house trips a few times because you know we still going no because remember the noise is localized, so she would only be able to hear it. She was in the laundry room okay, okay, and so she walks to the house can't really balance is trying to catch her balance looks at the window and sees that van doesn't know that it was on camera the night before yet and sees a man out there by the van. I looks like she threw up 27:10 he talks on the I can't tell if it's because the device did you two glasses of water? Did you happen to drink your water too fast or did you hear a noise? Okay, I saw this tick tock yesterday. It was a guy who was our age and it was very clearly he was in bed like was the tick tock he's filming this in bed and he's like he's like I'm an adult man. He said let's get this out of the way. I live in my mom's basement. 27:39 And he said, but here's the thing he says, I am not feeling well. It's two a.m. and I just threw up and he says, I am an adult. I am fine. I can handle this myself. But he's like, but I have this compulsion. I can't get out of my chest to go tell my mom. Mom, I threw up and he's like, I don't know if I can go back to bed without telling. I think I need to go wake her up and tell her. 28:09 Hey, hey, I don't know who said that. I don't know yelled mom. I threw up the F. I grew up. You drink your water too fast. Did you drink? Yeah, I drank three gallons just now free. I just took free gala green light was blake. It's supposed bleak like that 28:36 is supposed to blink like light, thought your mom in the morning and go. Is it supposed to blink like 28:46 what? What are you talking about? No, so yeah, so she witnesses this guy and obviously her husband, who is the US diplomat comes home and learns about all this and they report it and it becomes a thing, but then it just kind of gets far away. They don't know what to do with it. So this whole thing's happening. They quit doing their laundry for like a month, because they're scared of that room. I'm not going in there. I'm not going in there. You going in there 29:14 and their story after story in this hearing of this happening to people and multiple occasions it's happening to family members of US officials as well, because they're placing these outside people's homes right. There's one story that was particularly kind of scary. I guess is maybe the word to use where they they were stationed overseas. I think they were stationed on Australia. This happened. No, they're stationed in China. This happens in China. They go 29:42 home after the effect and they're so excited to be home and have that behind them because it was such a traumatizing experience for them and the whole family. They get home and a couple weeks go by and they hear it again, his wife wakes up to the sound. They go to their kids rooms, they have two children and they said that they could actually go walk in the room, they couldn't hear anything, they put their heads down by their kids bed and they could hear it. And then they lifted their head up and they wouldn't hear it 30:12 were waking up with bloody noses because it was having such an effect on them, and so they were like yeah, just keep going to bed, just keep sleeping there. Well, they ended up. They ended up moving into a hotel, staying at this hotel and it started happening in the hotel again, and so then they ended up getting the government moved them to some other location overseas and like hiding them, like putting them basically in witness protection and their story after story of this happening with different US government officials. Yeah 30:42 And it kind of culminated in, I believe it was March of 22, when there was supposed to be a trip with members of Biden's cabinet and Kamala Harris in Vietnam that got delayed because they got reports right before they left that there was one of these attacks is what they called it in Vietnam. A couple of officials had this happen. And so they delayed the trip. 31:10 so they could figure out the source of it And so this was a pretty, obviously a pretty big deal. And they even had medical reviews of this. examined all of these people. 31:39 maybe some people do, but essentially what they're saying is that the people who had this even read any of the words is just so blurry that there are there's charts that kind of explain what we're looking at here. They kind of look like brains. I think and so here's another graphic of what's happening so hey Alex, we take care of this. Thank you, thanks, so they had 32:08 What the National Institute of Health said they did have portions of brain matter were deteriorated. And so it was portions that had to do with sensation, And there was even portions that had to do with memory that a lot of people spoke about having 32:37 after this event, having a hard time with that and hard time recalling words and stuff like that. And so they said there's clearly, they said the majority of these people actually do show evidence of like a traumatic brain injury is what we're seeing. But there's no, like they don't recall ever getting hit over the head with something or anything like an actual physical traumatic brain injury. Sure. So the whole thing goes through, this whole hearing happens. A lot of it is very similar to this recent UFO hearing. I watched some clips where they're asked questions by Congress. 33:06 and the people who did the study are like, yeah, we can discuss that in a skiff. They're like, we can't talk about that because it's classified, but we can talk about it in a secure setting. And so a lot of it was not publicly released and talked about. And it was peculiar because after this happened, a lot of people, and especially 60 minutes from their broadcast, was like, okay, we're going to get to the bottom of this. Like, it looks very clear that something serious is happening here. There's a lot of evidence that something's happening here. And then we just didn't hear anything about it. 33:35 for multiple years, okay, completely quiet and all of a sudden the D O D starts taking the stance that this is mass hysteria. This is not actually happening. This is a group psychosis. Yeah, so what a normal stance of just gas lighting. Yeah, their stance is yeah. All of these high ranking government officials, all in your head. They said it like yeah, yeah, we know we know it's on our we've got the brain scans. No, they said they said it was. It was stress induced 34:04 and they said because there was a couple people to a hundred people, stress induced very similar injuries. They said that the stress is causing them to show physiological signs, but it's not there's nothing actually happening to them and because they're all facing the same stress and having the same thing. That's what they said to them and this has been released. Now this is the public thing. Okay, this is what they're saying publicly yeah and they're like they're like and so then because there's a category now that there's some magic device that's that's hitting their brain with the sound wave 34:32 now they're all are all attributing it to that, but that's not what's happening. Meanwhile, it continues to happen most noteworthy. It happens to some senior officials who work in the White House and it actually happened on two or three occasions in between the West Wing and I can't remember the name of this building, but one of the the government buildings and 35:00 next door to the White House, there's a secure parking lot where all the executives park. Yeah. And so they would walk down the stairs, walk across that parking lot, walk into the other building and they work in that building. There's two or three different officials where they were walking down that stairs and they heard the ringing and they lost their balance. They fell down and they had like long term effects from the same thing as same exact description, same exact experience. It wasn't this year, but I think it was twenty twenty three. Okay. And so it's like, oh, this is happening like at 35:29 the White House, like it's not just happening overseas, not just happening at our embassies, not just happening at people's homes in the United States, it's happening all over the place. And then this last year over the summer, something very interesting happened. In Florida Keys, there was a high speed chase involving this white Mustang. The police catch up with this guy, pull him over, they end up having to spike strip him, it was a chase over 100 miles an hour, covered a lot of ground. 35:59 spikes with them, he spun out, they get to him, they pull him out of the car and they end up arresting him and he's in the back seat. You can see him here from the car. So this guy in the back seat, you see his glasses kind of messed up and this seemed like what was a routine traffic stop. They like flash the lights because he was speeding. It wasn't like severely speeding, but he's speeding and then he sped off and ran. They get to his car and they start searching his car and in his car they find in his backpack. 36:27 notes and on the notes there are about a dozen different bank accounts listed on the notes with the information of those bank accounts, the routing number and the account number and the balances on these accounts at multiple different institutions. Okay. 36:57 And he seems like he's having a conversation with someone. He's talking and he's waiting and he's responding. And he's saying stuff like, well, there's the other guy that's involved. Can he handle something like this? And then he stops and he waits and he says, but a deal is a deal. And he says, we have an agreement. And he said that over and over. He kept saying, we have an agreement. We have an agreement. And then all of a sudden. 37:21 in the like in the footage from the back of the cop car. He's having this long conversation. They're searching his car. This is long. It's like thirty minutes of where he's in the back of that car by himself. His glasses fall off of his face and he doesn't continue talking. Once his glasses fall off of his face, he doesn't say another word and so it looks like there was some sort of device in his glasses that he was able to communicate with someone else from those glasses is what the theory is. Zuckerberg was like our glass were 37:49 We were the first ones. Idea! 37:56 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 38:24 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it, so 38:57 This guy, here's what's interesting about him. He here, let me, I forgot to pull this picture of him in. He is a guy by the name of, let me make sure I get this right. Vitaly Kovalev and he is a Michelin star chef in New York City. We don't really know what him. Yeah, he's a mission star chef in New York City. Here he is on the morning news. 39:26 cooking on the morning news. And he was a pretty well-known chef in the scene, pretty public. He had an Instagram and he would post Instagram pictures. This specific appearance, he was teaching them traditional Russian dishes on the morning news. Here's the thing though. He had only been in the cooking scene in New York for two years. Before that, he was a higher ranking government official in Russia. And he, there's... 39:55 history going back of him serving in the Russian military was a proof of this at info wars dot com. No, it's this was actually in sixty minutes, sixty minutes went through. They tracked him. They showed images. I can see if I can find those images of him. You're the same thing is true about the guy who owns Mexican Villa in Springfield. He was a Russian Russian up 40:21 do you hear that ringing? Do you hear that? No, so he was a much an official. Okay. All of a sudden moves to the states, gets a job as a chef out of the blue, has no background in his history of doing any cooking, any shefing or any of that stuff. Anywhere in his life shipping and then he gets arrested for this. What are you up to? I 40:50 Sheffing just be doing some chef has been doing some sheffing and so he, but like if he's working in a Michelin star restaurant, he's actually got to be a good chef. Well, that's the thing like you. You wouldn't if you were sending over a spy to a different nation, you want to be like go work at Taco Bell. Why not? I mean you could be like go work at Taco Bell, but you're also like if you wanted him to be a mission star restaurant, you just train him. They train them. You know they got resources 41:16 that's what I'm saying low. I mean, have you seen like the what it goes into being a chef? Yeah, it's not easy but they I'm not. What I'm saying is they could have trained him sure. I don't know and it's one thing that sixty minutes was very careful to clarify on is that all this is a legend. No, what they were very careful to clarify on is that the Russian military complex is not something you just career switch from 41:45 They're like they don't let you. They don't let you go. Yeah, you don't just go like I want to go be a chef in New York. Yeah, I want to follow my dream. Yeah, that's not something you do when you were like military in Russia. Your time is done. Go ahead. Yeah, they're like yeah, you've served your nation well. Good luck, have fun out there and then you walk away and they shoot you in the back. Right, that's what Russia does. Okay, it's hard to believe that he just came over here to do that. Here's what's interesting. So he gets arrested. 42:11 The FBI is like, we want to talk to him. This is interesting. And so the FBI interviews him for 80 hours. Very long, grueling interview. We don't have any notes from that interview. It's classified. We do know that they talked to him for 80 hours. And so they end up charging him for the speeding and the cop chase and all that stuff. They don't charge him for anything else. He stays in jail for two years, goes back to Russia. Russia puts him on the front lines in Ukraine and he dies in combat. 42:42 there are questions here. Is that true? We don't know for sure if he died, if he yeah was actually put on. We have a death certificate that he was killed on the front lines in combat from them from Russia. Yeah, and so it's like that might be a lie, yeah, but also it could be a like retaliation for getting caught. That could be something that they would be like hey, you got cause it when you good luck out there. Who knows 43:12 What is interesting is the question of at this point, we now have a lot of evidence that points that this is happening. We have clear medical evidence and records that something is happening. We have fifteen hundred high ranking government officials whose testimony carries more weight than a lot of people's saying like we're counting the same story in different occasions at different places, right, not connected to one another. 43:41 And so it's very clear that something's happening, Also, there's a precedence for this. we had an embassy in Moscow, and that embassy was across the street from the Kremlin, and long story short, 44:10 because they were being radiated from the Kremlin. They were shooting radiation at them. Okay, this was something that the United States figured out about and Henry Kissinger later said that we wanted to keep it quiet. We didn't want anyone to know that this was happening. We knew what's happening. We didn't want anyone to know and so yeah, we know that they were in that checks out for this and we know that this is something that Russia's done before something similar to this. We also know that 44:40 shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union, that the United States and Russia, when there was like that brief moment where we were like, hey, let's do science together, where like NASA and then teamed up and started doing a lot of state stuff, one of the things that they started doing was directed energy weapons. And they did research on directed energy weapons together. A handful of those that we did develop, there is a microwave cannon that the United States uses to this day to disable drones. 45:08 and so we shoot it out of drones and it disables them that came from that cooperation. There is another thing called the El Rad, which is basically like a sound device that shoots sound waves that are so intense that knocks things over and break stuff sure, and then there was another thing that we actually banned. The United States was like we shouldn't use this and they called it the Medusa okay, because it turned people to stone. Basically what it did was it immobilize people 45:37 It was an energy device that shot directed acoustic waves. but it would immobilize people. They would shoot it because it would immobilize people They learned that it had long-term effects on people's brains. 46:04 this is something that we developed with Russia and we said we're not going to use this anymore and Russia was like we won't either yeah, neither will we unless you use it that we have that we will use it a lot. If you use yours, we're going to use ours but we were about as long as we don't use how the world works. Isn't that crazy that we're just like don't don't don't don't 46:33 And so that's kind of where we're at. We know that the technology kind of exists. The doctors who did this report, they don't have access to this whole story, but the doctors who did this report, they said, we think that this could be possible, that if someone was hit with an acoustic beam or directed microwave beams, it could cause this sort of damage to someone's brain. And those were their leading theories of how this was possible. 47:01 and so we know from that time that cooperation that the United States and Russia both has this capability. Yeah, the United States allegedly stopped doing it because they think it has long term effects and they think that that's not good. So allegedly we don't do that anymore sure, but now it's popping up and now a bunch of US government officials are claiming to have this effect and the government is gas lighting everybody, especially these high ranking US government officials to be like you just feel bad. You're just stressed and so then the question is why and I think there's a couple reasons 47:30 reason number one and probably like the is the probably leading conspiracy reason is that it's because the United States knows they develop this and they're actively using it as well. We're using it against other people for sure, and we don't want the fact that we have this capability to get out there, so we don't want to acknowledge it, and so we're just bearing it under the rug. That's like the conspiracy theory version of this, but the other ones I think are a little bit more likely, and it's too. I think one 48:01 we know exactly what it is and we know that it's Russia doing it, but we recognize that this is happening to high ranking US officials on US soil, and it's a directed physical attack, which which is essentially an act of war right. So if we acknowledge it, then we have to do something about it, and like this is not worth that 48:27 sure like is not worth an armed conflict with Russia to acknowledge that this is happening. So there is theories that there are these backroom conversations happening with US implements between Russia to be like, hey, stop doing this right, but we're not going to make a big deal out of it because we don't want a greater conflict and they're like, okay, we'll stand in the okay. The other theory is that we know it's Russia. We have 48:52 enough to say it's them, but we don't have that smoking gun concrete proof that holds up in like a court of law to where we could actually be like yeah. We know it's them. We have a bunch of stuff that points that way, but we don't have enough to say for sure it's them, and so we're still basically waiting for that smoking gun to then be able to acknowledge yeah, but it's radiation doesn't smoke. It doesn't smoke so long story short. This thing seemed like it was just some big conspiracy theory. 49:22 that was completely unfounded, but it's starting to look like there is this device that can shoot microwave. He's back, baby conspiracy. Tim took a break. Here's what happened. Tim got a little too logical all right, and for a while Tim was like. I don't know. I believe this stuff. This seems a little far fetch, but then all of a sudden all it took was one little zap, zap, tap to the brain and conspiracy. Tim's back at it baby 49:49 I mean here's the thing it looks like Russia all along. Tim says, I think this is slow that down. Listen to what it says. I think it was Russia all along. 50:05 he's back. It's believable. This is a believe. I don't know how you could look at this and say that it's not believable. Here's the thing. It might not be Russia. That's why that eagle's crying on his shirt. He just got freaking EMP. 50:20 look, it might not be Russia. It might not be Russia. It could be another one of our adversaries could be. It could be us. We could be testing it on our own guys, Pagers. Okay, so this is what's interesting. One of those you're unfamiliar. What happened? Okay, so a couple weeks ago was it to maybe it was one week ago yeah recently very recently there was what was it like fifteen hundred three thousand? It was a lot, a lot of Pagers and I ran simultaneously 50:49 are. We have a lot of audience who's like, I don't know, fourteen pagers or before cell phones. You could just say it'd be like if you had if you'd be like if you could only read a text yeah from a device that was like hey, you have a text and you look down to go yeah and they look like tomagot cheese. Yeah, would you probably should explain tomagot cheese to our got cheese are we could do a whole. There's actually a whole episode of us just explaining old reference to you stuff. 51:18 Yeah, so the Pager's Simultaneously just blew up yeah yeah. Was it lemon on? I thought was I ran maybe it was Lebanon on yeah blew up just simultaneously exploded, caused a lot of damage, killed a lot of people, injured a lot of people, because people were like driving all of a sudden their pay their Pager just exploded or the or even how many people are still using Pagers is crazy to me, but yeah yeah and then I 51:41 A couple days later, the same thing happened with a bunch of radios. Yeah, a bunch of radios just simultaneously exploded and a leading theory at the time was that someone had created some or manufactured some modified pages and modified radios and smuggled them across the border and then gave it to them like put them in source. So that way people would end up with them and it was like this big terror campaign. Here's what's interesting though in this story and I haven't seen someone connect these dots and I think it's because most of what I've seen was before this event. Yeah, 52:10 But what's interesting is in this story, one of the things that you saw people mention a lot was they would get hit with this this sound and when they got hit, the sound what would also happen is their cell phone battery would swell and would often break the case. And if a cell phone battery swells enough, it blows up. Yeah. And so there's a chance and this is giant conspiracy leap, but there is a chance that if this technology is out there and you could direct that at 52:41 a device, you could blow up the batteries in a device, which is very interesting. Yeah, so they might not even have to be modified, but what's interesting is when they talk about it is very directed. This is a beam. This is not like a sound wave where it's going out in all directions. It's a direct beam of microwave radiation or sound or whatever is able to hit one one location. What is what's interesting is what's described is the sound isn't the thing that's doing the damage. It's like the 53:11 that I heard someone describe it as like a gunshot, like the sound of the gunshot isn't what does the damage to the bullet right, and so it's like it. The beam is what's doing the damage, but there is a sound that's associated with it, so it's very interesting. It does seem like I mean something's going on. Who's responsible? We can't say for sure, but we can't say for sure. It's probably Russia, so that's wild. Yeah, I was folding laundry 53:41 And when I closed my whirlpool washing machine, I heard a sound from the other room. I walked toward the other room to see what it was. I immediately projectile vomited across the room like a sprinkler. 54:04 one strong projectile or so followed by seven projectile short. 54:25 Uhhh... And as I got closer to my children's bed, I could hear the sound clearly. And it was a fiddle. 54:42 and thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, we got another cool one about doing sketchy stuff, our government this time, M K ultra go look that one up it's somewhere around here, and if you like this show, the best way to support is by supporting us on patron. Our patrons make this show possible and they also get a bunch of perks they get every episode a week early without any ads. They get to hang out with us in a discord with all of our hosts and us, all of our producers and us, we're the hosts. 55:07 and then there's a bunch of other perks like we get to hang out on a zoom once a month. It's a it's a fun time, but if not we'll see you next week on things I learned last night. You don't want to run that again. 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Disney Never Wanted You to Know This Man’s Name | The Duck Man Ep 246

10-22-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 Hey, this week we learn about the duck man, the duck man, also known as Carl barks, not to be confused with the other Carl sure. So this week we learn about the duck man who wrote the cut the Donald duck comic books in the fourties and fifties and didn't get the credit he deserved and then didn't make the money he deserved until later in his life. Yeah, but for a long time, no one knew who the duck man was yeah. So this is a story about how they found him and then what they did when they 00:28 found a speaking of people not knowing who they are. I have shows coming up. I don't when this episode comes episodes coming out like the fifteen five fifteen great this week in the Lynchburg, Virginia and then next weekend. I'm in Massachusetts and then November is the church comedy tour with Shamarama and my good one. I really hope to see you there. It will be in Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, 00:53 Missouri, Kansas City, well, I should the Kansas side. I didn't choose it and then Texas and Florida, so I would love to see you at a show. All my tour dates are linked somewhere. You I hope you know where to find them at this point and yeah, let's get into the episode. 01:15 Have you ever heard of the duck man, the duck man? What is the duck man, the way your face lit up? I'm so I really want for once. I want my excitement to pay off. You know, like we're go oh and then it turns out to be like a freaking CIA code word for something. Yeah, you know it might. It might pay off. Yes, I want to see like a person who pretends to be ducks, not quite. I'm the duck man, so 01:44 when I go to Disney, there's all these acts at Disney. Yeah, that's yeah. That's if I talked about the Disney ducks on here before, I don't know if you talked about him on here now, because we think all the time every time we go to Disney, my wife is just like. Do you think these ducks landed here and they were just like oh my gosh, you know, because there's so much bread and pop all much dropped yeah. 02:04 and like and there's other ducks who live in freaking like North Dakota. You know where there's a there's no pop corn. Yeah, they live in crappy places where they're like oh, I'm just a star, you know, but the ponds at the the little water things at at Disney. I'm freaking I'm throwing bread at them. Yeah, I mean it just goes to show there's a wealth gap for birds to 02:26 that's what I'm saying like the life that those and like the wild life chooses to live there. I'm going to follow them. You know I'm in touch with nature. What are their animals just by having a season past a disney? What other animals just go to Disney land squirrels squirrels chipmunks? I think the chipmunks they pox I'm I pretty sure they put the chipmunks there though 02:56 I'm what I think that's part of like this where I went with it, but that's all right. Peacocks. Oh, are you talking the character? I was like dogs, mice and you were like. I think they put the chip on there and I'm like 03:15 now you're catching up nineteen eighty nine holiday and carpet. Anyways, the duck man also known as the good duck and the good, the good man is the names that he has by. Oh, I don't I should look like it used to be a cop and now you're just a freelance P. I in Miami 03:42 you just get jobs on craigslist and you're like I can solve this. I can solve this you get more murders than you saw. You accidentally get people murdered. It's like so not related to the case. Yeah, this is my fourth murder this week. Yeah, no, it's you going whoops 04:06 but here's my card case closed. I got the Vista print logo on it because you couldn't figure out how to do the back side. Accidentally printed the Vista print logo on every single one of your business. I can't figure out how to get it off. You're going to get that off there. All right, it's white it out, but only one layer, so you can still yeah. It's very faint. It's like your grasp on reality, just so close to not be in there. 04:34 Okay, the duck man, the duck man is was a I don't know what to call it conspiracy theory. Maybe I don't know that might be too strong of a word. The duck man was a name attributed to a character that a group of comic book fanatics gave to the creator of these comics. 05:01 I'm sorry the cameras like right in your way. I don't know if you can see this yeah. The camera is different position today. Okay, say you're I lost track of what you were saying in your sentence because you were talking like this. I well you're tracking to me. Okay, so say you're say it again. I'll say it again. The the duck man got his name from a group of comic book fanatics in like the forties, okay, who were big fans of 05:31 his comic books, but they didn't know who he was and he was making these comic books. So Donald Duck yeah, the Donald Duck comics is Walt Disney, the Duck Man, no, are you joking? Are you big? I brought up Disney. Here's the thing. No, no, I actually is there someone who lives in the ponds at Disneyland who like with like emerges from the waters like on the deck. He wouldn't say that he would just go quack 06:01 he's just saying the war he just swims back down. Is this related to Disney? Yeah, this is this is related to Disney. I actually did this intentionally because I feel like we've been bad mouthing Disney a lot lately. I haven't. I got an I love them. I freaking I mean yeah, that's the whole reason we moved to California was for Disney and the terms and conditions said that if I lived in California, they wouldn't shoot me on my porch. Yeah, I don't have a porch. I got an email from 06:30 I got an email this week from a Disney dot org. I don't even know if they use the dot org very often. What did it say the Disney out or dot org email said we are not telling you that you have to stop talking bad about us, but what we are telling you is if you don't talk good about us yeah, then we're going to kill you is what it said. That's what the email said and it said feel free to tell anyone about this. We don't care. Disney dot org side Walt 06:59 surprise. I'm back on frozen. The first thing he did was email us yeah. He woke up terrified. People are talking crap, the knowledge of what a podcast is. He knows who we are. He knows that we've breached the terms and conditions 07:20 and then he knows what an email is as well. He said and said, let me email. If waltz first sentence back is let me email this podcast. That sentence alone is something that could not have even been thought of. He's like he's like yeah, there's these dudes in Kansas City. One of them's got a really big head and the other one's got honestly really great style. He's dressed like perfect for the yeah or what he's used to right right like I am. I fit in 07:48 yeah, but they've been talking crap right. I don't know what would what will waltz phrase be for talking crap? What was the word in the? When did he die sixty? I don't know, but you know my favorite trivia about disney. Now have I told you this? I don't know. There's a lot of pictures of him doing this then there's like this two finger thing yeah and actually in the movie where tom hanks plays and there's a he does this yeah and it's like a hand. You know what that is everyone's like yeah Disney likes to point with two fingers like a flight attendant 08:15 Yeah, no, it's they photoshopped. He was smoking cigarettes all the time and so they photoshopped out the cigarettes and so all over Disneyland are pictures of Walt and he's doing this. It almost looks like a mason symbol. He's doing this weird like finger thing, but it's just they photoshopped all of his cigarettes out interesting. He was a chain smoker. Oh yeah, he died of lung cancer, but it is noble for the times yeah yeah, but now you don't want dare got a whole the Disney and was like hey guys 08:43 we got a problem with you telling all our kids about cigarettes, photoshop them out. I wonder if all the masons, because like you have the everyone's photoshopped, everyone's hands like this, what if that's photoshopped? What if they were holding cigarettes and they photoshopped their hands in their shirts? Is that what they were doing? Yeah, there's all this like free all the Illuminati people are like yeah. Look, they put all they all put their hands like this. What if they were holding a cigarette, everyone and they shot at that photo shopped it, everyone screen shot of that to take out a context 09:13 I don't know if everyone did, but I know our patrons did. I know it's all over the discord. Oh for sure. Anyway, this dude whose name looks to be star rose and his hand is in his button. He's clearly a part of the Illuminati. Anyways, so I don't remember what I was talking about. Oh look like you order a table side guac every time as they don't even offer it. We don't have guac and I'd like to have avocados. Then you got guac 09:42 You look like that guy exclusively drinks mohe dos no rob no rub and do you want to go to a club so to give a heat of a rum all the rum, sugar water and lime you want lime sugar water it's lime aid. That's yeah yeah yeah, but don't give me lime a I want to hand my homemade lime a mint yeah no, so there was a huge 10:08 group. So this is an interesting era for comic books because in this era, comic books were like this. When we think of comic books because of our post nineteen eighty brain that was so used to violence and wwe that we think we think fighting and combat and blood and super heroes, yeah and nerds. That's what I think 10:31 but it used to be, but it used to be comic books used to be these. They used to be in the forties and fifties. Comic books were all animal, anamorphic animals and an a pop morphe. Is there a P in there? Is it there's no P in there? Anamorphic, anapomorfic and anamorphic. That's feels better. Yeah right Alex. Thanks. So this was like the thing. It wasn't super heroes. It was these. Everyone was making these comics. I don't know why it was this, but 11:00 and then Stan Lee was like what if people talked in these yeah? What if we had people? I think it was because people couldn't the comic book artists were but we're good. We're bad at people. I think that's probably true. It is hard to draw people. No, I think realistically that's what look out. Look how hard AI is trying to draw people and messes it up. That is true. Yeah, those are robots. If robots can't do it right, but people still share that crap on Facebook like it's real 11:26 the number of people that I grew up with who will share obviously AI things. It's also crazy how fast we all got trained like you know people who are internet savvy. We got trained to recognize it immediately spot AI yeah yeah. I was I'm in a youth pastor group, so I tried to get booked there yeah and someone shared the there's a Justin Bieber worship song that is completely AI interesting and the thumbnail 11:50 is clearly a I and they shared it and they were like wow. It's so good to see this pop star tour and they were completely serious and the comments were like hey man. This is AI man. This isn't real. They were like oh really and it's like you should go back to serving the olds 12:10 you've aged out of youth ministry. If you can't recognize a I, I think that's that's a that's a true litmus test that you should have to do. I do think like there comes in you spot the AI yeah and are you going to be a creep to these kids? That's literally the bar is so low for youth volunteers and it's very difficult to find people who yeah, so can pass that interesting anyways. 12:35 so this didn't like that. This was a joke. I'm so freaking serious. This was the thing that was like super poppy. You look like you look like you share a things on Facebook. There you you are dressed like you sit on Facebook all day and you share the Tate Brothers podcast. Good perspective. I mean he's got a you look like you don't agree with everything. You look like you try to 13:04 convince people to sign up for Robin Hood to get the referral bonus as your full time job. You're trying to make that your full time thing. No, I don't even invest dude. I literally just make a living off of the referral bonus on a Robin Hood. The app, you know the investing app. I make her I make a living on man. They change the referral bonus Melaleuca. I also sell Melaleuca 13:26 I also have way in a you look like you try to make M L M's cool. Speaking of M L M's. There is a comedian that keeps popping up on my social media stuff and and his whole website and if I ever do this end it for me. His whole website is him selling and my M L M stuff yeah incredible. 13:52 So every other post is you want American made products and it's freaking Melaleuca and I go buddy. I've seen your material. That's the funniest thing you've ever done. That's hilarious. That's pretty good. So this guy was yeah. Here's here's here's something to understand about this era of Disney. Honestly, I think everybody was doing these anamorphic animal comics because Disney was doing it right. I think everyone's commenting con 14:21 copying, copying, copying their comics. Did Disney predate like bugs bunny and all that? I think so. I think so okay. When when did bugs bunny start bugs bunny biceps 14:47 I mean, he's got pretty big biceps. I should show you so I can't show you all these pictures, but I should show you some of the. 14:55 What? 14:59 Yeah, it looks like, yeah, by like 20 years. Yeah. and you probably noticed it in this picture, Because the myth they were trying to sell 15:26 That wasn't true. There was like a team of like a hundred some artists that were doing all these comics or all these different series and among that team was the duck man. Yeah. And so the duck man quickly became pretty famous because the duck man was doing things that no one else in the entire comic book industry, not just Disney was doing like he was very committed to his craft. I think is a word you could say most of most of that scene or art form was very 15:56 clearly the just trying to just pump out content yeah like what we're doing commodity comics yeah and so they were they're cutting corners. A lot of them weren't even coloring in and they were just black and white like they had the ability to do it, but most of them didn't even do it and I don't think that they lacked the ability to color. You know I'm saying like if they've drawn this incredible 16:24 comic with a story line and like it makes sense. You think they were like man. 16:33 I don't know what color this is they were color blind. Well, I just I just realized to a red green color blind person, your shirt just looks like beetle juice. I think no, so the I wasn't saying like they didn't have the ability to do it. Okay, 17:02 I think I it was more like they didn't have the ability to print. It was what I was alluding to got you, but they had that they had that ability. They could do that sure it's probably cheaper for them not to as well. Yes, but he was doing it in his comic, so it wasn't so much that like Disney was like. Oh, it's cheaper to let's do this. People just weren't doing it and then also the story lines and the concepts were very just bland. They were quick. They were rushed. A lot of them were very, very short. 17:32 full of plot holes, but he was doing something that was like it was a good story. It was well thought out. Things were put together and it was very influential. People loved it and so here's a just an example of like his colorings great yeah. I tell he sat down. You could sell he you could tell he really sat down and he colored. So this was just it was a standard. Are them full women buying with that fifty 18:02 Yeah, I should be on it. I should be. I didn't read this before I put this on screen. You know how it is. Those poor kids never have any toys. Well, well, a twenty five dollars is is for turkeys and the other twenty five yeah go on. Oh, this is Scrooge McDuck. Gotcha. What's the rich guy's name Scrooge McDuck Scrooge McDuck? Yeah, yeah. All right, keep going. So it's just it's just a higher quality of stuff that 18:31 anyone was used to in the comic book world and they were. They were longer for him well put together. He was due. He would do these large two page so the other Disney comics weren't good. I mean they were I. What I should say is the other Disney comics were fine. Okay, the other Disney comics were something that pretty much only appealed to kids, but for some reason there's Donald Duck, one like older adult comic book fans appreciated 19:01 I don't know if they, I would say it appealed to them, Later down the line, we started to see their art off of these Donald Duck comics. There is a famous graphic which I can actually grab 19:30 you know that scene where he's running from the the ball. Yeah, there's like a famous picture of that happening in one of these comics and it later happened in an actual animated Disney thing, but this whole concept was actually in Donald Duck first and so they copied that for rate is the lost arc. I shouldn't say copy. They were paying homage, homage, homage, homage, Amish 20:00 to hummage, the hummus to the duck man by doing that the duck. George Lucas also cited him as a major influence in a lot of the storylines and concepts in Star Wars. Oh Mr Lucas, how did you come up with the most groundbreaking series of the last fifty years? Things that has endured and created a fan base of generations, the duck man, 20:29 You're a lab rate on that. 20:36 Quack, quack. 20:45 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So 21:11 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still. I might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 21:29 that's supposed to mean, but okay and then another pretty. Wait a minute, what's he doing with the scouts honor? 21:41 Is that what the scouts are doing? You all smoking? It was a children's smoking network all this time. Boys, guys, America Photoshop out the cigarettes from all the kids. What 22:02 Yeah, I'm an eagle scout. I got so many badges. This is why smoke is two packs a day badge wow yeah, I can start a fire. Yeah, I know smoky the bear jees all right, keep going with the story. Another person, another another person that this that this really inspired was a guy by the name of Osamu Tezuka. 22:31 I thought you were going with that. Saba, Tezuka, Osama, Tezuka. You recognize this guy? I don't. You might recognize his work. This is from his biography. Do you recognize this? Yes, this is Astro Boy. Yes, Astro Boy was one of the first, like widely publicized mangas, which is kind of like the comic version of anime. And so he was like a ground. They call him the God of Manga because he pretty much started it. 22:59 which essentially led to anime and he got into it from the duck man. Someone he was in Japan and a US soldier gave him gave him a couple of duck man comics and that was his first introduction. Introduction. What is happening? Introduction to comic books and he fell in love with it and he was very inspired and then he started doing what he was doing. So this is 23:26 the picture I'm trying to paint is this is a very influential artist, right? Right. The whole scene loves him, but no one knows who he is because Disney's like it's Disney and everyone's like. No, it's not. We've seen what Disney does and it's not this good okay, and so well, that's why they kept them secret. They killed him. They were like yeah, you're too good. So in the in the late fifties, a guy by the name of Malcolm Malcolm Willis ended up managing to track down 23:56 the duck man. I don't know how exactly he did this, but he started doing, he did the research. He hired a freelance PI from Miami. And it was the first success the guy ever had. Managed to track him down and he published his, he doxed him, he published his name and address. Why he did that and not, like, he didn't reach out. He's just like, I found the duck man. Here's his name, here's his address. And so there's a guy by the name of Carl. 24:26 I found the duck man. There's a guy by the name of Carl Barks. Okay, also in case you can't tell by what he's wearing an eagle scout and so Carl Barks had been doing this for about seventeen years when he was discovered with literally no recognition except for like Disney being like hey that was good make another sure like all he was known for and so a guy by the name of Bill Spicer, Bill Spicer, wrote him a letter 24:56 wrote him two letters and the first letter he didn't respond to the second letter he responded to and was basically like hey. I didn't respond to your first letter because quite frankly this second letter he sent me is the third letter I ever received like the third, not like in general, but like third fan mail. Yeah, quite really. I don't know how mail works. I've never seen this before. No is the third sent an email to the podcast 25:25 it was the third piece of fan mail he ever received. The first piece of fan mail he ever seed was fan mail that Disney forwarded to him and was like hey, you should take a look at this because Disney got it and it was someone who was really angry about something. He had they were like a you should see this don't do that again. That's the only fan that he ever got and then it was quiet for another ten years and then he got these this guy's two letters back to back okay, so you're responding back. He's like he's like I was hesitant to respond and he's like, but yeah, it's me, I'm the duck man. I've been doing this for a long time. 25:53 imagine, imagine a life where you work as an illustrator. You got a job at Disney and then there's if you ever find yourself writing the sentence. I am the duck man. 26:11 you know I'm saying like there's got to be a moment of self reflection where you go. Is this what I like got into yeah yeah you caught me. I am the duck man you got me so then Spicer, who was a writer, yeah was like. Let me interview you. I want to tell your story and so he flew out, met him and then wrote his story and published his story and this was kind of a 26:43 Don't just so we can be clear of what you just did. 26:51 is that you turn out to have to to to burp and then turned back. I'd like and burped you went like this. You were supposed to. This is where you should have burped. You were like and then come back, but you went which is okay. It's okay. It's fine. I just leave it just fine. I know I know 27:19 I'm drinking the Celsius, it hairs all mess up in the last two thousand and fourteen BMW convertible, not even a BMW. It's a one in the convertible. What's the what's the what's the one that Michael Scott drives? Oh a Chrysler yeah the the sea bring or whatever yeah oof. Okay, so the 27:41 the story gets published like you never watch the office. You just seen enough memes to fit in. You know we're like oh, what's that one that like Michael Scott Michael Scott? Where I that's right. You know what I'm talking about. He's like the world's best boss or something sleazy and it's like they're the meet their memes. So not all of them are actually in the show, so like he thinks stuff happen. Yeah, yeah, but he's still pieced together the whole story that way. You don't have time for the office. You're putting together your 28:10 drop shipping course. I made a million dollars this year on Amazon. Okay, so this is the story that we get for Carl barks. Carl was born in like southwestern Missouri in 1901. I don't remember the name of the town. I know where he ended up 28:39 but I don't know where the town he was marble hill, marble hill. You know where that is yeah. Do you really no? Oh, I mean it's basically it's earthquake area is where they are. Okay, southwest, Missouri, south east. You said southwest, but that's okay. That's why I was like where is it at? There's something wrong with my brain today. I'm telling you man just today. I keep saying all the wrong stuff. No, so anxious so 29:09 laughter 29:13 I'm out. 29:22 we can pause if you need to, but you're just going anyway. Sorry, I didn't mean to come for you like that, so he he was born in southeastern Missouri at a young age. They moved to Merrill, Oregon, yeah and his family was his dad was a farmer. They had like a one square mile plot of land and he actually grew up 29:47 The area he grew up, the closest school was two miles away. He walked to school every day, two miles there and back uphill both ways, uphill both ways. Yeah. There wasn't any other kids like within a mile and a half radius of him, like his closest neighbor was a mile and a half away. And so he just didn't have much of a social life. He had another brother, but he didn't have much in common with his brother. And so he went to school, walked home. And by the time he got home, it was one o'clock in the morning. I had to wake up in two hours and do it again. And it was kind of his life growing up. 30:17 His dad was working on the farm and at a young age found a decent bit of success in the farming industry and stock breeding. And so it was successful enough where he's like, hey, let's move to Santa Rosa, California and see if we can start setting up a new business there. And so they were going to get into vegetables and orchards and stuff like that because they thought it was going to be more profitable. So they moved down there in 1911. 30:47 but it did not work out so they fell on pretty tough financial financial times. They ended up moving back up to Merrill, Oregon and so throughout his childhood every couple years he was bouncing between different places right and this bouncing between different places made it really hard for him to get an education and so at that time at that era, I couldn't read well. I wasn't and you can only draw. He couldn't color. No one thought about a car couldn't talk 31:16 Yeah, you didn't know another kid. Only spoke to the ducks. He's in the backyard. 31:26 his dad's just so annoyed about it. Like our kid just keeps talking to ducks. I don't know what to do with them, and so he has kind of a if it's a hundred years from now, we put him in counseling, but we don't have counseling, so we're going to leave him in the woods, so I guess we just need to get him a job logging or something is twelve. He can cut down a tree and so he hadn't graduated school yet and I'm going to be honest. I probably should have looked into this. 31:56 I don't know when kids normally graduated in this era, but I'm guessing was early because they act like this was a big deal that he hadn't graduated twelve years old yet love years old has even and if that wasn't unusual, then I don't know. Maybe the point was he had years old hasn't put a penny in his four a one K what a lose and so he didn't complete grade school 32:25 okay, it is moving around at the age of sixteen. He does finally manage to get in school, finish grade school at sixteen and they make him go to class. That year was a tough year because his mother dies that year as well, and then he started developing hearing problems out of nowhere, and so it got really tough for him to hear and so so we're in headphones in that picture. I think they were hearing aids well. 32:54 unproven sure, but they look like headphones. They do look like headphones. I should yeah. I stand corrected, but they got wires, hearing down is sure whatever year this picture was yeah. You know anyways, so he he goes back to school. He graduates his mom dies and then because of his hearing problems, it got hard for him. 33:17 to hear her in class. Okay, and so he did. They just make him go to class. So I question he so he just decided in class with a bunch of six year olds. Yes, yeah, and so he just decided not to go to high school okay, and so we have a lot of story to get to. That's why Tim's pushing through so he doesn't go to high school, but in grade school, something significant happened that year. The year he graduated great friend he met, which was a duck outside the school 33:42 and that Doug Todd of the drop. They were talking about mother goose. He was like wait. Is that my mom? Is that goose my mom? You're telling me the goose I've been talking to is my mom and then he saw Andy goose on TV and was like that guy walked out on us. My dad that goose is my dad. This is so foul. 34:13 hate that joke as bad as a bad one, so it's bad. Thank you for laughing at sixteen. He drops out of school and he just starts working labor jobs. He sure he does actually go. He becomes a logger. He works in construction about ten years, just working random manual labor jobs, farmhand, rancher, all this different stuff, but all the wild he's cultivating his passion, which is something he learned his last year grade school from one of his classmates who were eight was 34:41 drawing pictures. So one of his classmates took a he was a bully to that was the thing he was bigger than all of them. He one of his classmates took an art class in like his free time after school okay, and so during the school hours they would have like free work hours and instead of working on his homework. This kid was working on his artwork and Carl 35:09 Carl was like well, what are you doing there? That's that's some interesting math you're doing copying him thinking it's the math answers math over and his teachers like please see me six times eight is not duck his teachers like you're sixteen these the rest of your class is eight. I don't know what to tell you. I don't know the difference between those two numbers, so 35:29 it looks right to me. He did the same thing yeah. No he didn't no. He turned in his homework before you copied it also your copying of his artwork is really bad. It doesn't look anything like what he did yeah. I'm going to write you a letter one day it's from his teacher. She recognized it and she was like. I know these ducks. I know these ducks before 35:59 so he he talks to this other student, his classmates, her his classmates like yeah, I've been going to our school and so like hey, where did you learn to draw like talk? Someone is a kid and the kids like I shut the heck up. Don't talk to me like that. I can tell you how to draw, but you're not going to talk to me like that. You're basically an adult. You're still in grade school. I'm eight 36:25 This is age appropriate behavior for me, so get cigarettes and drawing pictures like that kids live in my dream and so ripping six on 36:41 so he starts giving him lessons like okay. He would go to this. This kid would go to art class and then the next day he'd be like here's what we learned in our okay, and so he taught him a bunch of stuff about art and that kid yeah, wall, disney, 37:00 and so Carl falls in love with art, but yeah he doesn't graduate high school. He has no connections genuinely with anybody. He has no this is what's crazy. Human connection. Let's just pause here for a second that this guy is now seventeen. No high school can just draw yeah and still had a pretty decent freaking life. Well, I want to say that you're you're you're jumping a little early. He didn't have a very decent life. I mean I would say a good career. 37:29 Well, later on in life, later on in life, it did kind of develop panned out it blot. We got more. He did have a tough go at it, but yeah, each of the jobs he took was like a manual labor job. So keep telling the story man. So you look like hallmark made a made a storyboard of what hung over looks like all right and they and like this is the best they could do to be like clearly like because they're selling 37:58 sorry you're hung. No, they're doing there. What is one of those movies where it's like the prodigal son, you know, and you're the son who clearly didn't turn out all right yeah yeah yeah and but they tall marks. They had to play in stereotypes. They don't know how to yeah. They don't know how to be normal yeah okay, so they really play it up, so he's he's going job the job and it's not none of the jobs are working out like their menial jobs. He's there for a little bit has some sort of issue. While he's there bounces to the next job, it's kind of in financial not 38:26 I want to say trouble, but not doing well at all yeah gets married and his wife and him kind of have a difference of opinion because he wanted every night. What he had always done is he would go to work all day and he would come home and he was draw his pictures okay. That was how he wanted to spend his time. His wife was like I want to go out on the town. I want to life was like I want to sit with you. I want to have kids. I want to I want to know you and tell me your name. It's like I can't 38:55 I don't know what those words you're saying mean he's he knows enough to communicate. I have no idea he was just gaslighting. I don't speak English. I don't know what you're saying right now. I didn't hear that water 39:15 so she wanted to go down the town. She wanted to have friends. She wanted to like have a life and he's like. I'd rather or not. I'd rather just sure, sure, sure, and so they would get in disagreements all the time and he just kind of spent ten years working these jobs. He didn't like drawing pictures at night yeah and then his marriage ended up not making it because she was frustrated that he just wanted to draw all the times is draw ducks. Yeah, all he does is draw ducks 39:45 And so yeah, their marriage didn't didn't make it. And so afterwards he's like, hey, instead of going to go get a new job, I think this is the how a lot of divorcees think he's like, he's like, yeah, do you think that let me reinvent myself? I'm going to move to San Francisco. Sure. I'm going to try to get a art job. And so he moves to San Francisco and he starts looking for an art job and it doesn't work that every once every job's full. 40:12 and that I think that's a testament to the times like I, I think you hear a lot of like boomers talk about the life that they grew up with. Like it was really hard and I do think that this was one thing that was actually probably pretty hard. It's like now before you move to San Francisco, you can look at indeed and you know true. Can I actually realistic? Can I have a job here? Yeah, 40:39 he didn't have that luxury. He moved out there on the off chance that there was an opening and there was none, and so he ended up getting another labor job in San Francisco. He was there for a little bit, continuing to draw every night and trying to sell it like sending it off to all these papers. Yeah, well, what he would do is he would write. He would drop these comics and he'd send them to papers and the papers. He just want to use this yeah, and that's kind of what 41:05 artists did at that time. They would draw stuff and they'd send it to papers and the papers would it's like when I buy out the caption contest in the New Yorker every week, he kind except for this was like this is going to be my big break. It's my big break is getting chosen as the caption on the New Yorker 41:23 but this was like they sent it in and they would actually buy it. It wasn't a contest. I understand. I understand so business works, so he did this and an entertainment and it was years of him doing this until eventually he managed. Let me see. Let me get the see if I can get this year right in 41:53 to Judge magazine, which I have no idea what that magazine does, and then after that he started having a lot of success selling comics to the Minneapolis based Cal Calgary, I opener, which I don't know if you can tell by the name I opener. This was not a well respected magazine sure it wasn't conspiracy. It was like racy stuff 42:22 and so like everything was kind of salacious. Yes, I think that's probably a good word for it like tabloid kind of stuff. No, no, no, no, like yeah, let yeah yeah got it. Yeah, you're getting it, but his comic I offer the oh 42:42 yeah, yeah, and then in the middle of like kind of racy like. I just love to read all these things and I also the articles would love a comic of a duck. 43:01 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. So if you want to keep learning stuff, that's happening in the Tilen verse. 43:27 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, that's the best place to do it. There's a lot of ways to sign up for the mailing list But anyways, now back to this episode. 43:53 they end up hiring a full time okay, and so he's like people love these comics. People loves your comics and so they paid him a salary of ninety dollars a month, which I don't know. I don't know what that inflation calculator comes out to. Let's let's check that real quick and yeah. What year is this again? This is 1923. Oh well, he put it got hired a couple years after that, so probably like twenty five, twenty six something like that. So let's see nineteen, twenty six ninety dollars 44:23 Wow, I haven't used this one before. This is hard to look at. Ninety dollars in January 19, 25. Okay, today is sixteen thirty seven, so sixteen hundred bucks a month. So not great, but fine. Sure. So he's working for them. He's drawing these comics. 44:53 and then it's probably not a forty hour job right. It's not like your yeah. That's a good question. I don't know actually and you could probably work for multiple different publications is the idea yeah interesting that's could be the idea that wasn't what he was doing. He was just working for this one company yeah. He didn't have the he wasn't like I should go get another one is to yeah. Maybe I should burn the cano of both ends, but an opportunity opened up at Disney. 45:22 and this was an interesting opportunity because it was as an in betweener and the way things worked in Disney is you would always come in essentially as an intern with the art community, no matter how much experience you had. It was an MN, essentially as an internship and the in betweeners, what they did is they didn't draw it. They drew the in between slides in the movies and so 45:47 the there okay interesting the yeah every the like big time artists would draw the main points in the storyboard and then the in betweeners would draw the little detail movements in between those big storyboard moments yeah and so and they would have an army of them. There'd be like three hundred of them. Most of them want to make it to a second project, so it was kind of like we're going to test you as an in betweener for a little while you do good enough and you kind of make it through boot camp, a some be in betweener 46:13 or you can be the person who teaches that drawing class at California adventure. 46:21 Yeah, exactly. These are your choices. These are your choices and so this opportunity opened up and it was like okay. I could go work at Disney. This is a huge opportunity sure, but in that era there's no remote work, so he moves from Minneapolis to California right for a job that for all intents and purposes is a tent position. Yeah, who knows if he's going to be able to stay and he's got a good stable job that he's he's has a week or a monthly paycheck for right. He's like he's like. Should I give this up? Is this worth it? 46:50 He ends up deciding to take the big swing on it and go for it. and gets put on a project to do a Donald Duck comic. that they put out. and is like, hey, I want you to do the next Donald Duck comic. He did it. 47:20 And it was like a smash hit, that comic. And so they ended up hiring him on as like a full-time salaried position to create this comic. But what was interesting is the time between when he got hired and when he did that first comic was well over a year. And they didn't have like any feedback to him. They didn't talk to him. They didn't tell him how it was going. He didn't get reports. He didn't get the fan mail. 47:48 and he just had like no correspondence from Disney, no new assignments, so he ends up between releasing that first comic and getting the full time position moving out to the bow hadn't heard from him for a year. Yeah, he moves out to the valley and he gets a farm and he's like I'm going to farm now. I guess I'm a farmer and so he's like he's like I'm over that. I'm going to show them and say hey, you missed your deadlines. He's like a harvest ain't till fall. I don't know what you're talking about yeah, so he starts farming 48:17 still just drawing for fun in his free time, and then he gets a letter from Disney and they're like, hey, can you do another one of those and he's like, oh cool, yeah, and so he does another one. Yeah, I don't leave this farm to die. No, he's literally he stays. He's just does it at night farms during the day and then they just started steadily coming in. Never once did he get a report and like they never once did they tell him how it was doing and he's kind of disconnected from society. He doesn't really have friends. He lives on this farm on his hand, so he has no idea how 48:46 big this is becoming. He just knows they just keep asking for more and he's so passionate about the project that in later interviews he would say that most of the other people that he worked with and the people in the industry they would make mistakes. They would just leave it in. They would write a story, they would rush through it and he said I would genuinely go through five or six iterations of the storyline before I ever even started drawing it because I wanted this to be like a genuine really good story. 49:15 And he's like, so I was building, he was like, I would build the world, I would build the characters and I would try to like, does this make sense for this character? And he said he would even count syllables in every line to make sure it flowed and was easy to read. Like he was writing like poetry and so like he really took like a level of care that no one else in that industry was taking and it was working and that's why it was selling so well. But Disney is obviously like this is Disney doing it, not this guy. Right. Right. And so he ends up doing this for like fifteen years completely without 49:44 anyone ever knowing he's doing it and without him really recognizing that it's like become a that it's a big thing. He just knows he just keeps getting hired for it. He doesn't know he's not getting paid more or no. No, he's got a he's got he's getting a paycheck, but he's not getting paid more like they're not increasing his rates, maybe with like cost of living, but he is he is at this point later in the later in this timeline. He's doing it full time. I should say he's not doing the farm stuff. He still lives on the farm, but it's overgrown. It looks bad. 50:12 I don't know if that's true. Sure, and so he spends, he spends his career doing this, not really knowing if anyone really cares or anything about it, and he's just about at a point where he's starting to get frustrated with it because over the course of time, Disney is a corporation and this corporation is doing what corporations do, and so they started 50:41 for example, they went to him. One of the things he was famous for is he would do those two pages spreads right and they said hey instead doing two page do one page and whenever you're going to do that we're going to get an ad for the other page and he's like oh that's a kind of a bummer and so he started only doing one page spreads and then they started saying hey we're actually going to start doing this on cheaper paper and so he said that what would happen is because he would go over his art so many times he said that on this cheaper paper 51:07 when he would erase, they would actually put grooves into the paper and then it would make it harder for him to go back over it. And so then he started being less. He started going over less because it was damaging the price. The paper was cheaper and so starting to weigh on him just like how how much Disney kind of just didn't really care about it for him. This is art like this isn't like a just a job. This isn't just some comic for kids like this is him a way to express his art and a way to get paid to do art. Basically 51:36 He doesn't care that it's kids comics. Essentially, he just loves doing art, and so he was kind of at a point where he was getting pretty drained, starting to feel like he was running out of stories. I should mention that Scrooge McDuck was his character. He came up with Scrooge McDuck and a lot of other characters in the duck, Donald Duck, no, Donald Duck and Daisy had already existed, but he created Duck Berg. 52:06 which was like the town where they lived and then I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not a Disney adult. You might know some of these characters, but the characters he created were Scrooge Mcduck, Gladstone, Gander, Beagle Boys, the Junior Woodchucks, Gyro, Gearloose, Cornelius Coot, Flint Heart, Glomgold, John D Rocker Duck. 52:36 I don't know. I don't know that is this sounds like either Disney characters or your office fantasy football league teams. All right, that's all this sounds like to me. 52:52 John D Rocker Chuck Rocker Duck. Yeah, so he created a bunch of characters and a bunch of the big big story lines that you see in the Donald Duck universe and it's interesting. The the characters of Donald Duck, what Donald Duck became because he really was Donald Duck existed, but 53:14 because of these comics and many of these comics got adapted into feature movies, created this lore around he created who Donald Duck was as a character like there was a foundation. He created that and so Donald what it kind of was was Donald Duck was who he was Scrooge McDuck was who he wanted to be, but over time he started to realize that Scrooge McDuck has a lot of the same problems of who he actually is as well, and so Donald Duck was a guy who bounced from job to job and could never really find much success and had an anger issue. 53:43 because he had an anger issue as well. And Scrooge was obviously a very wealthy man who made it big, but then was greedy, and he kind of, I don't know, tied that string of like, well, I'd still have problems if I was there. And so all that lore and the character development was him. 54:06 but he started to feel like I'm not going to I'm running out of ideas. The ink, the the tank is running dry. I'm getting a little sure I'm tired of dealing with Disney because they're they're making this really hard on me. I give him me cheap paper. I give me cheap. I labor in the sun all day long with this cheap paper. You don't really work at the set. You should work inside. You don't have to draw farming. Yeah, but he well he's he's drawing. Yeah. Okay, drawing outside 54:35 I guess and so he's he's starting to kind of come to the end. I'm saying compared to farming drawing on this difficult paper. Yeah, so when he gets this letter, it's kind of in this this time in his life where he thinks this is all coming to an end. He's not going to be doing this much longer. He's tired. He hasn't really got the recognition he feels like he ever wanted. He's had two divorces now 55:03 and he's had just a lot of let downs in his life and when he gets this letter, one of the things that they ask for is they ask for a painting like a full size painting of the characters. Oh, okay, and yeah from him and I could you do like a big commission and painting yeah commission of canvas and he agrees to it. He does the commission and when what was this guy's name Bill Spicer 55:32 publishes his document on it, he says that he did that, oh, me too. So he starts getting commissioned And they were like, 56:02 Donald Donald Duck paintings and so he started out doing all these commissions, but he got so busy doing commissions. His name is Carl barks. Yeah, okay, why 56:18 I'm go ahead. I just I don't know that just it is hit me like I don't know half an hour later and so he's a communist dog, so he he started off comrade, so he's filling up so much time doing these commissions. I was just going to say this is a this is an authentic Carl Borg's painting yeah, and then you're like whoa, whoa, 56:46 I love the idea of someone getting into an internet fight and they're like oh you should look such a Karl Marx fan. I do love Karl Marx. He's great. I love everything. I love Karl Marx yeah his duck stuff is like work. It was like duck stuff. Yeah, Karl Marx duck stuff. I especially like the stuff he did for that weird magazine or whatever it was. The I of all his writings I don't 57:17 I don't. I'm going to be honest. I'm sure for talking about the same car be wild if they were if at the end you're like and then later in his later and so now he's in his early seventies yeah and he's doing all these commissions, but it's taking him so much time like these are he because he's he's he cares about his artwork yeah and so he spends a lot of time in his commissions and he has so many of these commissions coming in. He can't keep up with it, so Spicer is like hey, what if we start just doing auctions and so 57:46 they go and they start doing auctions long story short, these start selling for thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars at auctions, because people want them so bad and so can see some of the paintings yeah. So in his seventies okay, I see so yeah here he is painting one, but yeah. These are these are the kind of paintings that he's trying. Carl barks paintings and I believe and I don't want to miss speak here, but I'm going to say this anyways. 58:16 if you go to Disney World or Disneyland, you'll see paintings like these there. I think he was the first one to do these okay, and so yeah they so that one twice yeah. I just like this one the most and so he started selling these at auctions long for short. This is what made him a millionaire in his late in his mid seventies. He started selling these prints on auction and I made him a millionaire and he then became kind of like the 58:46 and angry. He became everything Scrooge McDuck is and more and he became like a comic con guy. There wasn't a comic con at the time, yeah, but he would be at these conferences where all these comic and art fans would be and he would go to those companies. We would do the ham get on stage. There's there's music and dark lights and then it starts playing music and he's up there just as a to do 59:16 did you do to do to do to do? He's up there painting he's old, but he's a people like that's caro marks barks as caro marks. They all bark for him. That's like is they and then the end he just and it's Donald Duck. It's like oh my gosh, I thought I was gonna be the whole time Donald Duck being crucified, John, a picture of Jesus and he turns it over 59:56 incredible and then in 1987 he was driving home from work and he saw this light in the sky. 01:00:12 Okay, I wish that was true. I wish I did this whole thing and there was a ufo story at the end of it. The end, the end, I know, but in nineteen eighty seven he gets inducted in as the in the inaugural inducted, not abducted, it's inducted, it's inducted as the first artist in the Will Eisner Hall of Fame, which is like the comic book Hall of Fame now and that guy showed you a summer to Zuka ends up getting inducted in two thousand and two lot of other big name. 01:00:41 comic book artists are a part of this hall of fame now, but he was the first person ever inducted into it and he survived until it was ninety nine. So he really got to spend like the last twenty years. He was very rich. He never retired. He continued drawing until he died. He died at ninety nine. I don't know if I said retired or died. He died. Yeah, died at ninety nine, which was the year two thousand and so he spent his the latter half of his life making a lot of money doing these prints and kind of 01:01:11 It's a story that feels like what is that guy that we did that the singer who oh yeah, no one discovered until six to Rodriguez, yeah, six to Rodriguez. It feels it feels very similar to that story because he spent so many years just passionately pursuing the thing that he really loved and not getting a lot of recognition and then yeah all of a sudden out of nowhere he found out 01:01:32 I've got tons of touring fans are all across the world. Yeah, yeah, we're hopefully one day, hopefully one day, hopefully one day someone sends us a letter and Disney's like we're not going to send this to them. Hopefully one day this podcast pays off and you can stop being a landlord for old people in Branson. If you like this podcast, send letters to disney and tell him how much you send all of your family to Disney. You keep getting people who ask if we have a P O box, which we need to send one up. We haven't got around to it yeah. 01:02:02 but just if you if you don't, if you don't know where to send it, just send it to Disney, send fan mail to Disney. Yeah, we'll find it. Yeah, we read Disney's mail. So yeah, that's that's the story of Carl Barks or the duck man. He was a secret for a long time, but he ended up not being a secret and he got very rich off making really good comics. That's awesome. So that's a story. If you care about something and you want to do it, all you need to do is not graduate high school and pursue it at night. 01:02:30 so vigorously that it leads to a divorce and then pursue it. You're are like that message non graduate high school pursue something so much that it leads to a divorce and just keep pursuing it until it eventually hopefully pays on till you get rich. The age of seventy five yeah, it's right. You look like you sell beach front property at a lake in Indiana. Yeah. You want to see the beach views here in it a 01:03:03 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of things early last night. If you liked it and you want more of it, we mentioned the six toe Rodriguez episode six toe was a musician who released an album, thought that it flopped and it did in the United States, but unbeknownst to him had gone platinum in a few other countries and then so he was just working as a construction worker, doing his normal thing back home in Detroit and then found out years later that he is this massive sensation across the world. So he's thrust into doing arena tours. It was an incredible story. 01:03:33 please go check out our episode about that. It is linked somewhere here or if you've already listened to the entire back catalog, you've listened to all two hundred episodes we put out and you're like I just cannot wait for another one. You can listen to next week's episode right now on Patreon. 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Did you know there was a man known as the Duck Man? He helped create some of the most famous Donald Duck comics. This man’s name is Carl Barks. Let’s dive into his story and how he became known as the Duck Man. Who Was Carl Barks? Carl Barks was a comic book artist and writer who worked on Donald … Read More

Why 46 People Witnessed His Murder and Said Nothing | Ken McElroy Ep 245

10-15-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 So 46 people see a man get murdered outside of a bar and no one tells the police anything. Yeah, they all kept it quiet. It seems like they might've been in cahoots. In cahoots. Yeah, this week is the, this is things I learned last night and this week we are learning about the story of Skidmore, Missouri, a town that banded together against Ken McElroy. 00:24 Well, we don't know if they maybe the account allegedly banned together against Ken McElroy, who was who's terrorizing the town and mysteriously got shot outside of a bar in front of forty six people who all saw what happened, but the FBI closed the case because no one, none of the eyewitnesses will talk about what they saw. So this is a podcast where we we learn a lot of stuff and we laugh a lot and it's a really good time. Thanks for checking it out. Awesome. This weekend, 00:54 I will be at what's that where you at today, October is October fifteenth. So this weekend I will be in the lynchburg Virginia at Liberty University and the very end liberty, bibbidi next weekend. I will be in Massachusetts and that's a great time and then the weekend after that I'll be in Canada. 01:16 Tabor, Alberta, so can and honestly Tabor, Alberta. I've been there before is a lot like Skidmore, Missouri, very small town, very small town, so interesting. Well, be careful if you know who's out of forty or forty six people. Sometimes you want to go where everyone inspires again. Bum bum bum bum. Let's get to the 01:40 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Ken McElroy, Ken? First of all, pretty sure it's called Mackle Roy. Yeah, it is Mackle. Because you know the rule on Mick right on Mick or no, what's the rule on Mick? If it's MC and then if like so it's like McDonald's right, so we don't say McDonald's. We say that's right, that's right, you're right, because whatever follows the sea. If it's a consonant, 02:10 then it's Mick. If it's a vowel, then it's Mac. Oh interesting. Yeah, I've never heard that rule before yeah. Well, can make alleroy, so we kept calling him John McCaffey, but we're saying on a cafe, Mac, a Mac, a fee should be because everyone says Mac a fee should be on the cafe. Everybody always said though with the with this software, everyone called it McCaffey. No one called it Mac a fee. It's most Mac a fee interesting. We were wrong. Yeah, well he was wrong. 02:39 So this is Macaroy. Yeah, this is Ken, Ken, Macaroy, Ken Rex, Macaroy, not to be mistaken with Ken Macaroy. This is Ken Macaroy. You don't want to mix the two don't want to talk about this guy. We're not talking about Ken. This guy, what is this guy? The Golden Bachelor? What is this close? He is a real estate investor and he's got like a podcast or something about real estate investments. He's close friends with the rich dad, poor dad guy. 03:06 Oh gosh yeah, so he's one of those you know that which I hate that guy anyway yeah, so not that can mackerell. We're talking about this can mackerell can per dog. He's the dog can rex. You don't get a name like rex without big a dog just from first glance. I'm going to guess that he's a amateur wrestler. Oh, that's an interesting guess. Ken Rex mackerell rex yeah 03:34 that's that's actually an interesting. It's Rex W R E W like he wrecked stuff. I love that well on July tenth, nineteen eighty one Ken Rex McRoy and his wife Trina. We they went to the local. I don't know what the name of the place was. It's like a local bar okay and their hometown, not their hometown, but the town they lived in Skidmore, Missouri, which have you ever heard of Skidmore, Missouri have heard of Skidmore Skidmore is a big town. 04:04 and by big town, I mean there it is. It's very small. It's it's point. I think I square miles. I think I know what happens here really interesting. Well, it's point three square miles population of two hundred and forty five. I think I know what happens cool, great thanks. It's a very, very small town, very small town, two hundred and forty people. They're at the local. Where is it at in the state of Missouri, northwest, basically Nebraska, like it's way up there. 04:34 and so they they go to this local bar and as they're walking out, yeah, they walk out, they sit down in his truck and they're sitting in his truck, waiting to leave a crowd forms outside about forty forty six people somewhere in that ball park for the forty two to forty six people are out in outside this pub and a series of shots rings out right 05:03 two of them strike can and kill him. Several, several shots get fired, but two of them strike them and kill them. They were fired from two separate rifles is what's interesting. Yeah, one was a center fire rifle. The other was a twenty two rim fire rifle. Oh, they sound bullets from different guns, different guns. Yeah, they found the casings. They found the actual bullets within him. So he lives in skidmore. Yeah, he and his wife go out to the bar. Yeah, when they leave 05:32 a crowd surrounds their car. I don't know if I would say surrounds the car. A crowd is there. A crowd is present outside the bar already. They're there when they leave and then and then shots from behind their car. Yeah, they're all from behind them, so there are cars not surrounded the whole. The crowds behind them outside the bar, they get in their car, they're getting ready to go and then the shots ring out. Okay, what's interesting is this crowd of people, dozens of people there 06:02 Nobody calls an ambulance. Nobody calls for help. And in fact, nobody identifies a shooter. The police try to do this investigation, try to look for people to come forward to identify who took the shot. No one can come forward and identify. The only person who's testifying is Trina, his wife, who was in the car. And so they're not able to get a good report of what happened. And eventually after investigating for a long time, 06:27 trying to work with the town to figure out what happens. The FBI closes the case because they say we can't get any solid evidence on what happens here and it gets down and goes down as an unsolved murder. This is in 1981 and it still hasn't been solved to this day, despite forty plus witnesses, forty to forty six people being present to watch the thing. So a crowd of forty six people, not to mention this is this is if you look at the map, 06:55 This is so if you look where skidmore city hall is there across the street, that little town like diagonal and down, that's, that's where they are. And so this town, like the, if you're going north is where they're parked. And so there's all the other things that are in this town right around there. Right. And so people who weren't in that crowd probably saw what happened, right? Because there's not much happening in the city. The rest of the city is just houses. This is where 07:23 everything happens is right here in this little block. There's probably other witnesses as well that weren't a part of that crowd, but no one comes for and forward and no one says what happened, and so it leads you to wonder why so let's take a look at the story of Ken's life and see what led us to this moment and see if we can figure out how we got here, how two separate people murdered him 07:49 Yeah, two separate people. Well, it very much looks like unless someone was holding two separate rivals and every and nobody noticed nobody in this car. Forty six was like about it the guy standing like this to guns. It might have been that guy. You see anyone with two guns that day? Yeah, no, actually I didn't see anything. Okay, so this is clearly though 08:13 So I know this story. I don't know what happens. I don't know why. What do you know this story? I just know that there was 46 witnesses. There's 46 people who saw this man get murdered and no one is talking. Yeah. For 40 plus years, no one says anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like refuses to talk about it. Yes. Yeah. And so like the whole town basically conspired together because this guy was a bully of some sort, right? Yeah, that's close. That's really close. I don't know if bullies the word I would use. I see the word bully thrown out a lot. 08:41 but I don't think bully is the right word for okay. So anyways, let's just walk through the timeline of ken's life and to see what led us to the situation, so there's a documentary about this. Yes, there's there's a lot of things about this june, sixteenth, nineteen thirty four ken is born. 09:08 okay to his parents, Mabel and Tony McElroy, McElroy. He's one of fourteen kids. Guys, holy cow man, yeah, he was born in Overland Park, Kansas, but this was nineteen thirty, so that was a rural Kansas at the time. It was not what it is today and they lived on a farm. They had a one mile by one mile farm. 09:36 some small little farm that they lived on and he spins his youth working on the farm, doing physical labor and stuff like that. As a teenager in the forties, he is a little bit of a rascal and he does like small time theft, but nothing like super serious, sure just kind of rascal behavior, especially for the forties. You know, forties, just a little bit of shoplifting was kind of what the 10:01 The soda pop guy hates when he sees Ken McElroy coming over to my soda pop shop. Cause I bet he's going to do some rascaling. He comes in, he sticks his hand in my candy jar. There's no telling how many jelly beans he took. 10:21 And after years of watching this rapscallion take my beans and bite them. 10:36 I has to have done something. So I followed he and his lady. I found out where they was living. And then I followed them for four more years. Until one day I has two rifles. 11:00 This is for stealing me SOTY props. And I loudly said, I don't care who sees me do it. I'ma shootin' Ken McElroy. But it turns out, he was stealing them people's jelly beans too. He's been stealing jelly beans all those years. And you know what happens to the jelly bean thieves. How long we going to do this character? A while. A long time. 11:32 Are you finished? I think so, so he gets into some rascaling in the forty's sure he turns eighteen and fifty two and marries his girlfriend, who at the time was sixteen and they moved to Colorado together normal in the fifty's and so they moved to Colorado. Finally, we've been trying to get her married for two years. They moved to Colorado and he that's how they had fourteen kids. They literally had to start real young 12:03 they moved to Colorado following his sister's husband who moved out to Colorado started a construction company and there were he's working construction with them out in in Colorado, okay, and while he's there and this is Trina that he's married. No, no, this is a girl named Oleda, Oleda, I wasn't going to last 12:32 What's Macaletta, O L E T A O L E D A O L E D A O L E D A O L E D A O Lita Macalroy, this is the O Lita Macalroy and Ken. There's a documentary about this. There's podcasts about this. If you don't like the way we're telling this story, find the way someone else does it. That's my message. 12:56 don't come, don't leave a review. We're not going to get better. Leave a review. Your your one star review is not making us better at this podcast. Do you understand it's making us more the way we are? I see your one star Collins. I dig my heels in and I keep doing what I've been doing. I'm going to find you in a crowd of four eyes. 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We really appreciate you watching the show. 16:04 So while he's in Colorado, he's working for his sister's husband's construction company and he suffers a traumatic head injury and his personality starts to say about the I've told you about the girl in my hometown who I had to block on Facebook and stuff because now she would keep commenting like she was going through all my posts and just saying like 16:25 I mean, she would just take the counter of whatever I was saying. She was just being annoying, like just being like, you're a jerk, all this stuff. Eventually I blocked her, but she's a barista, the one coffee shop in my hometown. And so when I do go in there, I tip very generously. Just to, I don't know, it feels weird. Like I see her and I go. And she's like, yeah, it really does feel like that. 16:52 Yeah, because I go in, I get my little ice vanilla latte. So we guys want a nice vanilla latte and she was okay and makes it. She was looking at four dollars and I'm just like all right, yeah, and it's it's so just pretends like she didn't say all those crappy things. I don't even think she pretends it. There's a tension for sure. Oh yeah, it feels weird. Yeah, yeah, you know that's a weird small town culture thing and I think the internet has made it so much weirder because in small towns we've always known for my entire childhood. We've always known 17:21 that people talk about other people and like that's just what you know yeah. That's what they do yeah, and so there's a huge pressure when you grow up in a small town like skid more. How was the population of skin more? It's a lot of the right. Yeah, it's skid more is like Miller next to us right small town and there's always a pressure to like behave a certain way. Really, it's almost like playing a social game on Big Brother, where it's just like I can't. I don't 17:49 There's some things where I'm just going to take this behavior from you, even though I want to be like, hey, don't treat me like this. Yeah, that would cause me more problems for me to call this out. Yeah, so I'm just going to let you behave that way because it's easier for me just to deal with this and like separate. But then the internet exists where now you're just there. Commenting those things, there's kind of that security. Oh my gosh, I don't even think I don't even know what like. 18:17 I don't understand what it is. I know this is a tangent. I think it's the fact that it's like, you don't have to see the other person on the other side. You don't have to recognize that's a person. A guy in my town got something stolen from him and he knew who stole it. So he put on Facebook and he said, if anyone can give me the address for this person, I have a reward, they stole this from me and I want to get it back. Interesting. And I messaged and was like, hey man, 18:45 call the police. Yeah, that's a complaint. What kind of wild west? Yeah, you're just going to show up at the house and be like hey, I know you stole this. That's what he was. He was like if you can get this back, I will give a reward. Yeah, I'm like that's what the police are for you, dummy. Yeah, that's kind of what out online and be like hey, if someone can go get this yeah or like find it was a girl her address. Yeah, I'm like what kind of broken 19:15 Yeah, how many worms are in your brain for that to happen? You know, it's interesting. So what I'm saying is I understand the small town politics that come into skid more is what I'm trying to get at. That is interesting. I don't know if this is so much small town politics. You'll find out as we sure sure sure sure sure, but I understand. Yeah, I know what I understand there being forty people who are like we're not going to say anything. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I get how that comes to be because it's hard for some people to be like how is how did forty people see that? 19:44 It's like dude in a small town we all know each other. Yeah, yeah. And so it's like. There's no strangers. There are definitely now that I'm an adult in my small town there are definitely looks at like football games and stuff where things happen or things are said you overhear someone's and like you lock eyes with that person that you know has like been outside of your hometown. Yeah. And it's like, and you do that. You guys do that look across the, where you just go. Oof. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are quiet. 20:14 Acknowledgements of what's happening yeah a hundred percent yeah anyway, so it's fifty four he's working in Colorado for this construction company. He suffers a traumatic head injury and his personality sort of shifts for sure he gets CTE and he becomes a different person. We don't know the good CT. Now we don't know the we don't. I don't know if there was ever a diagnosis. He heard his head didn't start diagnosing that stuff later. Well, I what I'm saying is I don't know if he went to the doctor. He heard his head and he said his head hurt the rest of his life. 20:42 but like it's the fifties and he's at work at construction. He's like I hurt my head and he's like let's go back to work. They're like suck it up and he's his there hammering like the nails over here and he's like he's like why won't this nail go in and they're like get out of here. You're fired. He's got the nail and he's just something that'd be probably easier if you had a hammer in your hand. He's hitting it with a knuckle. He's just like this hair hurts. I he just think there's a hammer is just 21:12 and yeah, then they fired him because they're like they're like all of a sudden you're bad at this job. Yeah, there's something wrong. Yeah, it's like man's like why do you so bad? He isn't good at this anymore and suddenly sucks a con. Yeah, I told him to go down in the story happened in the passenger seat. That was the driver side. Yeah, and he started making the driving sounds of his mouth and I like you haven't left yet and he's like I've been gone for thirty minutes. I'm on one of the store. What are you? Yeah, 21:40 I don't know enter a word that they said back then we can't say any of them. That's a like what do you like? They were just like I he's dumb now he's out of here, so yeah, here's his head and then the next year or two and then there's the wise. I was gonna. I was gonna take my revenge for my jelly beans today, but then I saw that he got five from that job 22:08 and so I figured I got to wait a little longer, wait a little longer, stack it. I figured the head injury would do it itself, so they decided to move back home. Eventually they settle in Skidmore, Missouri, him and his wife, because he can't find work anywhere. Everyone's like you're done. Oh, let a yeah him and him and his wife, Oledo, and so in fifty eight few years later, they've been in Missouri for two or three years. Ken somehow meets another woman named Sharon 22:37 and starts seeing her. And so he divorces Oletta, marries Sharon. And the marriage wasn't a marriage because he was in love with Sharon and wanted to marry her. It was because he thought that if he was married to Sharon, then that would get him out of an assault charge because he shot at Sharon during an argument. And so he's like, let's get married so that way I can get in trouble for shooting at you. 23:08 it's a fifty. When ladies complain about dating now, yeah, it's fair, it's fair, and so he's. I did shoot at my wife a couple weeks ago, though, and she deserved it all right. Like that's so crazy. Yeah, that's why yeah, but we're married. You can't charge me for that. I have actually been a that's a civil dispute like it's a what do they call it? It's a I don't know what they call it. 23:38 I think they call it a domestic dispute, domestic abuse. Well, yeah, that's what it is, but yeah so, but I a scarer I don't want to actually behind. It's like the it's like the monkey episode. Yeah, yeah, you scared and so they're married for two years and he starts seeing another girl by the name of Sally and they're dating and he actually moves her into their house and so now Sally and Sharon both live in the house with him bro. 24:08 here is the thing about some of these things. Okay, if you're a single guy, there's somebody out there for who will just you know, just lower your standards a bit. Yeah, you'll find a Sharon, you'll find a that's because like he's not like a like a hot guy. No, no, it's not like yeah. 24:36 this is crazy to me yeah and don't worry that is crazy to me. Don't worry, it gets way worse, so so yeah. He moves in his girlfriend Sally. They're both living there, has a couple of kids, well and share both of them. He has a couple of kids with who both of them and 24:55 in sixty four, so it's been about four years or sixty four. He meets another girl by the name of Alice, so he leaves Sharon in Skidmore. Yeah, there are two hundred people in this town. It is it. This is what I'm saying. This is this defies the small town politics. You're not allowed to do this right. Yeah and so so Ken meets this other girl Alice, so he leaves Sharon moves in with Alice, his house takes Sally 25:24 with him though, after Sally has three kids though he kicks her out of the house and so now it's just him and Alice and Sally got kicked out and then their kids, I guess are still there. Okay, meanwhile he's still thieving. He's stealing beers, he's still in ears and beans, he's stealing beers, jelly beads, cigarettes, gasoline. He's just stealing stuff all around town all the time and this is again 25:53 against small town politics. You can do that crap yeah yeah yeah. That's one of the rate people are like oh you know crime is so much better in small towns like yeah dude like we can watch you drive to your house after you stole this front like yeah, your house is on the same street. I mean look at look at this town. You think you're going to get away with anything. I'm so say like you're not going to it's like to go. Oh, we have a neighborhood watch. It's like we are 26:20 a neighborhood that's talking about and we can see everything. We can see the end of the city from our block and all directions. When you're a kid, you just stare at the end of the city and you think about all the dreams of my come true and one day you might just keep walking, you know, walk and keep walking straight out of the end of the city, but then you go on. We were not even go. Where's the next closest town? I even know who I would know there. I don't have three moms in the next town, so here's a difficult part. Our here's a difficult part of the story in nineteen seventy can 26:49 becomes involved with a young girl by the name of Trina. Trina is 20 years younger than him. He's 34. And has an illegal, inappropriate relationship with her. Her parents are very against this, very, very against this. And so he does a normal thing and he burns their house down and kills their dog. And they say, okay, you can date our daughter, I guess. 27:18 What? this relationship started, the school bus driver into pulling over so he could meet her. So a very, very not okay. 27:48 and then marries her so that way it's not a legal whole thing is yeah. So marries her moves her in with him and Alice and so that's so wild yeah and so Alice is like we need to get away from this man. He's a psychopath and so Alice Trina she's a Alice takes her and Trina and they run away and so he in response goes and burns down Trina's parents new house and shoots their new dog. 28:18 And so Trina moves back in. And they're like, we didn't do any of that. This is Alice's fault. Yeah, why are you, Alice is the one who ran away. And so he marries Trina, or he already married Trina. Trina. Wow, this story got so much, sorry that I accused him of stealing jelly beans. Honestly, I wish that's what he was doing. I wish that's all he was doing, yeah. So Trina moves in with him. And it's interesting, if you see Trina tell the story, Trina's very much kind of like a lot of. 28:46 grandmas now day where you meet grandma and you're like wait, hold on, grandpa did what she's gay kicked down the door at the bar and came over, planted one on me and I didn't look back since I was married to somebody else at the time. Yeah, like and so like she talks about him like they were actually in love. Like she actually like really cared about him. He saw me walking and he swerved and hit me with his car and 29:12 And I was like, wow, any guy who was willing to go that far for my attention, you know, yeah, and I played hard to get. So I was like, oh, I'm stuck under here, you know, and I was and so you had to back out, you know, broke my hip, but you know. 29:36 but then you know the way he apologized was just any shot near me and I said you know what I've been a very that man my parents couldn't afford a fourth house. 29:53 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. 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We did have better mortgage rate. Wage was more of a. I will concede the fact that there were elements of my life that were easier as long as you can see the fact that there were elements of my life that were much, much worse. So by 1980 can 31:55 has been charged with twenty one felonies. Oh my and he has been convicted of zero of them because in every case he burns down the prosecutor's house. Yeah, in every case he intimidates people out of the charge and so he follows people around. He sits outside their house and I mean to be fair like look at this picture. This guy sits outside your house with his dog and you know he's burnt down people's houses. He shot at his wife like he you know who what he's done. 32:24 and so he gets away with all this, but you know he's not a good shot. 32:34 So by 1980, 21 charges, never been convicted of any of them. Claims that his lawyer is one of the mob's lawyers down in Kansas City. Whether that's true or not, we don't know. But he's like, he brags that he can get away with anything. He's like, I can do whatever I want. It would make sense that he's got connections. I mean, it's right here. Yeah. And so 1980 rolls around. He's got 10 kids now from five different wives, I believe. Or I shouldn't say wives, five different women. Not all of them are his wife. And so, 33:03 one of his a couple of his children go to the local grocery store in town and is accused of stealing by Mrs Bowen camp. The the lady who owns the store, her and her husband on the store, their husband's name. I can't find record of it. They he goes by bow, bobo and camp, which I love very small town thing, bobo and camp and so accuses them of stealing and so ken then starts threatening 33:31 the family because he's like well, of course, my kids stole. They're my kids. Yeah, I told you seen the things I do. I said just go down there, grab a handful of jelly beans, just do it or else, and so the Owen camps go to the police. They file lean legal proceeding against Ken and the kids for robbery or right whatever, and so then Ken stocks the family, the bone camp family, 33:59 and outside the store. One day he shoots at bow and he hits him in the neck. He doesn't kill him, but he does hit him and so ken finally gets arrested. He goes to trial and he gets charged with attempted murder. He spins a year over his kids getting a cue. He's like don't you accuse my kids of stealing their fine citizens. Yeah, yeah exactly shoots him in the neck and so can a sentence to two years, he for sure two years in prison 34:27 A year later, he's out on bail, awaiting an appeal hearing, because he's appealing it. Immediately, the day he gets out on bail, he goes to the local bar with an illegally acquired firearm, and he goes in there and he starts threatening Bobo and camp, like graphically threatening him. It's a M1 Garand rifle with a bayonet on it, and he's like threatening him inside the store with this rifle, in the bar with this rifle, graphically talking about what he's going to do to him. 34:58 and what he's going to do to his body afterwards, and it's like really graphic and so as a result, and I'm confused about why this happened, Bo is like I'm on drop the charges. Well, as a result, what happens is they decide to delay his appeal hearing and then turn it into a bond and schedule a bond hearing 35:25 so his appeal gets delayed. He then has a bond hearing that pops up and so now his his time out on bail is extended. I think it's like a weird legal loophole. They're like what you broke your bond or you book your yeah your yeah because you have the gun yeah and then you're not allowed and so now we have to have a separate hearing for that and then we're going to have your appeal and so I think it was like a weirdly loophole, but essentially he gets to be out for longer and so well that's good to know. So a week later on parole a week later 35:55 The first week of July, the people of Skidmore are now very frustrated about the failures of the justice system to protect them against Ken. They're like, Ken is terrorizing the town and he has been for two decades. And so... 36:15 they get together as a group and they say hey next week, July tenth, we're going to get together as a group. Yeah, they said we're going to gather at the local legion hall okay, and we're going to get together. I'll they all show up kin shows up. He's a hey. I heard about the meeting. I heard where they were like who told kind of come yeah can we're just working on a 36:39 and so we were thinking about putting a statue of the moth man down town and wanted to hold a vote all in favor. No all right. That makes sense. We've never seen him here. That doesn't. Yeah. Why would we do that here? All right, everybody go home. All right, let's let's never meet here again, especially not 37:07 especially not next Tuesday at seven. There's no chance here anyone would ever meet here for any reason ever again on Tuesday at seven coffee and refreshments provided. They will not be provided because there's nothing happening here. There's also going to be so many jelly beans. There's a lot of jelly beans on the opposite side of town. 37:31 there's an unattended jar of jelly beans. There's it's a jelly beans at the other end of town. We've just voted the July nine is jelly bean day in skidmore where we empty the water tower and fill it with jelly and then everybody all the police have to leave town. That's our bean bucket and so we we all 38:01 Bucket Bucket. Now that's a small town thing. Most people don't know that that's a we just voted jelly bean making days on the towns where it's going to be a lot of arts and crafts and the whole town goes beam bucket, beam bucket, beam bucket, beam bucket. 38:29 and then we have these little things you can buy their they're like shaped like flowers, but they're made of jelly beans. It's a bean bouquet being bouquet, being bouquet, being bouquet, you know yeah 38:46 don't even think about breaking into I bean bucket, so they're at they're at the Legion Hall and they're meeting and they're trying to come up with. What can we do? What we do get to deal with this problem and the sheriff's there? Dan Estes is his name, the local sheriff, the mayor of the town is there and the mayor and the sheriff are saying we need to come up with a pull this off without him getting win. 39:09 So they're like we need to come up with a legal way we can deal with this and so they proposed a neighborhood watch and so they're putting together plans to put together a neighborhood watch. So that way they can kind of just honestly it sounds like the neighborhood watches a we're going to watch everything Ken does and whenever we see him we're just going to tell the police where he's at and what he's doing so we can be ahead of them and then news hits. I'm not going to intervene. He's setting another house on fire. 39:38 and so someone in the Legion Hall. Remember, this is a small town. You can see everything from everywhere in this little downtown area. Someone in the Legion Hall is like hey, can just pulled up to the bar with Trina and Dan. Let's go handle this right now. Well, here's the thing. Dan, the sheriff and the mayor go, they both say I'm not kidding. They say they say all right meetings adjourn. Remember, we need to handle this in a legal manner and they leave 40:07 town. They go out of town, the mayor and the sheriff and then of course so they pulled to the bar. The gathering was them gathering to figure out what to do about him. Yeah, they were gathering to come up with a way to figure out what to do and then while they're there pull to the bar next door yeah and then everybody in the bars like forty to forty six people who were in the vicinity yeah was because they had gathered 40:36 to figure out what they were going to do about this and then the sheriff was like. I think we should handle this in a legal and safe and not killing him way. Yeah, I'm going to cruise here and I have tickets to Carnival cruise right now. We're leaving town yeah and we'll be gone for the nort out of six and so they do they leave town. They get in their car. They drive outside of town 41:05 And then the 40 people walk outside and they wait outside the bar and then they walk out. Here's the here's their car parked at the bar. And so they were waiting like right across the street. They get in their car and then of course we know what happens. And so here's the aftermath. Wow. And so they they did it. But everybody in the town. I mean and now you that you hear the story. 41:31 you're kind of like I kind of get why no one would talk about it and there's interviews after the fact like years later there's like sixty minutes and all sorts of things that have covered the story interview, Dan the sheriff and you can tell when he's I wasn't there he's like he's like I've interviewed everyone. I've interviewed all the witnesses. No one will fess up and tell me who was involved and what happened and you kind of tell by tone of voice that it's like he's like and no one's telling me like I can't do my hands are tied 41:58 I've taken the investigation as far as I can take it out of town. Yeah, I was out of town. I wasn't there. I've asked. No one will tell me like I've taken the legal process as I can take it in town and at the peak of that crisis, I, the sole person responsible for the safety of the well being of my citizens left. I went and while I was gone, something happened to the one danger to my about fifteen minutes after I left 42:26 And so yeah, the case ended up being dropped a few years later. A book was written about this and then a movie was was produced called in broad daylight. You might have heard of it. This is the true story of what happened. And yeah, that's Ken McKell. Ken Rex McElroy. Ken McKell really very different guy. Also, I mean, McElroy can Mackle Ken. 42:50 can can make a Roy, yeah, the real estate investor don't know much about him, but he's a real estate investor also probably sucks, probably sucks, but not in the same way that can wrecks can wrecks way worse. I actually did not know the rest of that. Yeah, and so I mean, if you think about it in context, he really kind of was a town bully, but also like very dangerous worse than a bully way worse. It wasn't just like he was terrorizing like he was literally burning people's houses down. He was like stealing people's daughters. Essentially like it was like not 43:18 not that's crazy yeah, a really rough guy and the whole town banded together to say we got to get rid of this guy nuts and mckelroy mackleroy, but what's mild is everybody who talks about they were there that day. Very few people will talk about what's wild yeah. What's wild? I thought you said what's mild and I was like that's actually pretty funny. What's my old though 43:46 what's mild about this is nobody would really talk about the events of what happened that day except for except for the one detail that they talk about. As I say, well, the one thing I remember we're in this crowd. There's forty to forty six of us. Well, we're in the legion. We're in the legion hall. Someone was like, is he making any ideas of what we could do to defeat him and so was like, why don't we do a fight a off and so it's fiddle, fiddle up. Thank you 44:15 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things I Learned Last Night. If you liked the show and you want more of it, you can join us on Patreon and get next week's episode right now. Or you can go back and listen to our back catalog. We've got 200 episodes that have been released. One, if you like this story, there's one that's kind of similar. 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The story of Ken McElroy stands out as one of the most mysterious unsolved crimes in the United States. His name is forever linked with the small town of Skidmore, Missouri. This crime shocked the nation, leaving many to wonder how something so significant could happen in broad daylight, with so many witnesses, and yet remain unsolved. Who Was Ken … Read More

They Left 10 Kids Alone for Content | Boys Alone Ep 244

10-08-24

Episode Transcript

00:00 Hey, this week we talk about boys alone, a TV show that locked ten ten year old boys in a house for like five days and they were like let's just film and see what happens and it happened exactly like you thought it was going to happen for sure, and they had cameramen who were not allowed to interact with the kids, no matter how bad things got so, and then we talk about the other variations of the show and then some real life stories that that pretty 00:29 Tempe, Arizona and pace in Arizona. It's Tempe Tempe. I'm in Tempe, Arizona and then next weekend I am in Lynchburg, Virginia at Liberty University, so that's not a joke. Don't laugh at that. That's not a joke. That's really I'm doing. I'm laughing at it. I respect Liberty University, go flames and the week after that we're in me and Shama are in Boston in the fall, so 00:55 you know from Veggie Tales in the fall. I'm actually super excited. We're doing basically the entire state of Massachusetts, four dates in Massachusetts. If you're up that way, I would love to see you there. This is things I learned last night, a podcast where Tim teaches me something every week. This week he does it. He does the thing where he teaches me something, so I hope to see you at a show. Thanks for checking out our episode. 01:21 Hey man, hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of boys alone? What is on the team? I don't know. You tell me, have you ever heard of boys alone boys alone? Is this a band? No boys alone does sound like a band name though. It sounds like a nineties boys boy band boys alone. Yes 01:42 but not a but not a real boy band, one of the Disney Channel boy bands. Oh yeah, it's like you like an animated boy, like a chipmunk boy band boys alone. All that reminds me of it in the chip box. 01:58 Okay, you know this is a fun piece of trivia. I learned this week. Oh okay. I thought I thought that your whole thought was all that reminds me Albert in the chip. I forgot about yeah anyway boys. I thought that that was you have a trivia piece about a little trivia. You know the song. You know the song by the black eyed peas, which one is it kind of feeling 02:24 It might be. I got a feeling a feeling yeah. I think it's I got a feeling wasn't written for the black eyed peas originally because you know how the music industry works right where, like the bands aren't writing any other stuff. It's all the industry writers are writing stuff for other artists. Who's right? It doesn't get picked up skillet my freedom. These are the only things I know yeah. That's rough. That's a. That's a bad one. 02:54 that's a bad one. I promise I'm one of the cool guys. I own a pick up truck ba. No, the please don't pull images of me in two thousand two with my bleached blonde hair and my cool outfits. I've always been a tough guy here. Okay, so I got a f that wasn't right. That was written for the chip. 03:28 Yeah, my free, you know it's yeah. You got to sing it super slow, so when you speed it up yeah, then it's the speed that it's going to be in the yeah. That's that actually now that you say that I've never thought about that before, but that's pretty hard. That's impressive that they do that. Yeah, I mean they used to do that. Now they just do the voice. They drop like yeah, they pitch it, but they used to sing it slower 03:55 so that wasn't what it was one guy who made the chipmunks right at what Alvin yeah. I'll then did all the singing yeah no because so the so there was a rider who wrote. I got a feeling for the. I don't know what the what do they call Alvin and the chipmunks, but it's not the chipmunks. It's the girl chipmunks. What are they? What are they called? Do you know by scrolls? No 04:29 I didn't even the chipets, the chipets, so there was a chipets movie that was supposed to come out. It was supposed to be a Christmas movie that got canceled yeah right before I got a feeling by the black. I piece came out what you're they had this song. It got canceled right before this and so they had this song and the writers two thousand yeah two thousand seven two thousand eight something like that yeah, so the writers came to the black I peace and we're like well. We got this song 04:57 and so the black will I am was like oh yeah, but if you listen to it, knowing it was supposed to be a chipmunks movie song, it makes a lot more sense. I got a feeling that tonight's gonna be a good and then like like take it to like the like verse. What's like so love my cup, like there's like all those things that it's like the shout backs. Oh, you can are very good. All right, so imagine 05:26 I got a feeling in the final scene of the Shrek movie where they're all in the swamp that plays yeah a hundred percent. 05:35 they were they were. Is one of the chipets Jewish? I'm actually not sure that it was there. Lee two thousand so like Jewish well, what you scared me. I say. Did you watch Alex? How do you say his last name Edelman, Adam, Alex on HBO? It's got a special. I have no idea who that is. It's a it's a really great special. Actually, it's a story. He's a he's a Jewish comic okay and he 06:05 went to a Nazi gathering as an undercover to his person. I mean it's you know and he was like it was a great. It was a really it's like an hour and a half yeah man show almost type thing and it was pretty good. It was on HPO HPO yeah. I want to hear that story for sure yeah. What did you think I was going to say? I don't know it's just I don't know so boys alone. Have you ever heard of cutting edge? 06:35 cutting edge is the the cutting edge is actually what my my dad's my dad used to work at a metal shop. This is real. It was called the cutting edge. Yeah, no, not that okay different thing. I was alone cutting edge boys alone, so cutting edge was a British like TV documentary series on channel four in the UK. Okay, you know what I realized please do the okay, so 07:02 channel for ran this series called cutting edge, and it was just a series of like exposes on different cultural things. They would commentate on cultural things and then one episode, specifically the episode, a boys alone. Okay, it's like episode like one hundred and forty four sure they just were like what if we did something crazy and so they got a house in somewhere in England. They got this house and then they built off the edge of the house, an apartment 07:32 and there was a door that entered an exterior door for the apartment and then a door that entered into the main house with a doorbell on it. It's important and they said, okay, here's the plan. They said we're going to get ten children, all boys who between the ages of ten and eleven, we're going to shove them in this house, lock them in there with cameras for a week and just see how it goes and we're going to adults, no adults, a bunch of food. 08:00 a bunch of food, bunch of games, bunch of activities, everything that they need to survive okay, and there's going to be camera men, but they're strictly instructed not to talk to the kids and engage at all. So there's adults present, but they're not, but how old is gets ten and eleven cool ten and eleven. What kind of camera is that 08:23 Hey, what kind of camera is that? 08:35 I'm not allowed to engage with the subjects, right? 08:40 Okay, you're talking to he's not walking away. 08:52 oh my God, you see kids cry. Oh, they're like Angela and Big Brother. Oh my gosh, there's so they I said oh my gosh. Oh no. Okay, anyway, so they they get these ten kids, they shove them in this house before they put them in the house, so it didn't have to shove them in the house. There was no pushing involved. There was just 09:19 go here, put ten kids in a house. They weren't like where they were voluntarily with their parents permission. Yeah, so the parents in the parents on wasn't the episode before boys alone was just was just boys alone in the park was the before 09:42 and they just gather around kids and they were like they're like. Do you want to make your parents disappear? It was an impractical joker style episode. The goal was to just get ten kids yeah, and so the next episode was where they put those ten kids in a house yeah. The people doing the getting thought it was after that is where they made them compete on an island for sir for out without last out survive yeah and then or that's not it out play. I 10:12 it. I think it I can't. What was called, but it was everyone had a grocery cart and then they started the time and you had to go pick up all these certain items from the grocery store and get back to the beginning with the items before everyone else and you won. Remember that show it's called Black Friday. I wasn't that was real life. It's called March thirteen 10:33 No, it was you had the grocery cart. You remember what I'm talking about? Yeah, I was part of a show. No, it was the show, the show. It was a game show and the whole game show was you had the cart you went. You might have had like a competition where it's more like prices right in the beginning and you had to name the prices on the grocery items. Wait Frick, I'm remembering this yes yeah, but you had. I think it was there was something with you had the stuff in your cart had to 11:00 add up to a certain. That's right. You had to go and you had over yeah. You had an exact so you I your goal was to get the I think throughout the game you had to you had all the questions that gave you your dollar amount and then they would do the dash the grocery dash or whatever they called it the store dash shopping dash, whatever it was called and then they would have to go get that total. It was a cool show 11:27 Yeah, it made me run through grocery stores. All right, well, anyways, I don't know why I started thinking that I something we said there was also like you would run through and then there was like all these spinning things. You get knocked over. There was like a there was like a pool in the middle of the store and then it was like a sludge guys 11:51 and they like overdubbed them and made them say mean stuff about you really mean really mean stuff. No, so the parents got so like the parents volunteered yeah kids for this. Obviously they had probably signed a pretty lengthy contract. The kids then had like they went through a screening with a psycho, a child psychologist to like screened if they thought they would be capable of dealing with this emotion. How long were they hoping to put him in the five days? I wasn't long like youth camp yeah without 12:19 without the leaders yeah and then and then they put them through a cooking class. They taught on how to cook so that way they could eat while they were there and then they put them in there and what they told them. They said at any time if you want to leave, there's this apartment and our child psychologist lives in that apartment for the week and so you just ring the doorbell and it's like attach the house, but it's detached. You know what I'm saying? You just ring the doorbell 12:46 she'll come out and she can take you home if you want to go home or she can. If you need to talk to the psychologist at any time, then you can ring the doorbell and if you have the emotional intelligence to go my, I feel irregular right now. Maybe I should speak to someone yeah and to be fair to remember this is two thousand and two and these are ten and eleven year old boys yeah in the UK in the UK. So yeah they don't they don't have that emotional awareness. 13:15 So ten boys got together. I'm just going to list the names for you real quick. Luke, Michael, Robert, Daniel, George, Mark, Paul, Sam and Sim. I don't know if that means anything to you that list of ten children's very generic names they get in the house and it goes. John James, it goes about as well as I think you expect it to go immediately. 13:45 one of them sells out their leader for some gold shekels immediately. It seems like what happens in the very beginning they get in this house. I watched this documentary and it seems like immediately they get in this house and I'm. I wish they had the foresight and they might not have had the technology for this. I don't know because this was an actual house like in the suburbs in London or something like that 14:12 and so like this wasn't like a studio that may they made to look like a house. So I don't know if they didn't have the gear or whatever they needed to do hit the hidden camera thing, but they had like actual like they did have some hidden cameras because there's some shots that was like clearly like ceiling mounted cameras and black and white also cameras walking around if they were bad at the shot every once in a while you catch an amir or something, but like there's adults in there, so there's a dog in there. They're aware that there's adults and the kids feel safe 14:40 and they also don't feel in charge. Well, I think here's a thing. The kids are told the people with the camera aren't going to engage with you. They're only they're only going to intervene if it's like a serious safety concern. That's the only time they're going to intervene and so they're not going to step in standing on the counter with the knives. Is this that's is this how how unsafe are we talking here? 15:09 unsafe to me or unsafe to them? I don't know. 15:13 because I feel safe right now. This is great because that's the thing that the kids were told they're not going to intervene. They the adults were told not to intervene. Sam is trying to kill sims. His name is too close. Is that a safety issue? Is that how safe are we talking here? We'll let it play out. We'll see what happens. I don't think he can do it. I don't think he's got it. I think it broken bones at the worst that's covered in our contract right. So 15:43 they the kids pretty and pretty quickly. They started like testing it. They were like out. How much do we have to do to get these adults to intervene? The answer was a lot. They're not gonna and so they came in and they like were they out loud being like we're going to see like to each other. They did it. They never so like hey, why do we you know punch me? See what happened? They never said that, but like it was pretty clear because they went in and they try to find some troll making kids 16:11 like were some of these kids like I don't know. I don't know if they were intentionally trying to find any and I should say most of these kids. There's a handful. There's a well behaved. There's a couple of kids that were on the line, but I don't want to even say any of these kids were trouble makers, but so yeah the kids. I think there was a combination of factors. One, I think the second these boys walked into this room, they had this like liberation of France feeling 16:35 where it was like I could do whatever I want. You hear the sing the songs of angry man and then I think there was also yeah a part of them that was like a sleep over moment where it's just like yeah there's no rules. Yes, they taught us how to make real cheese like let's freaking and they rip it. Yeah they were like they're like and I think there was also just like let's see how far station this will go 17:03 I don't think there was any video games. I never saw him play if there was yeah well, then I was because if there was a bit of fart, it would have ruined the whole yeah, so they immediately ran in or still playing video games. The kids won't put the PlayStation down. I'm going to get a tripod. I don't feel like I need to be so 17:29 they immediately are. It's a combination of the excitement of the situation right, and I think they're trying to test it, and so yeah they go in and they find paint. I don't know why they left them paint and they just start painting all the walls. I think I know why they left to pay it. They really pay all the walk in here. There are six buckets of pain. Here's the thing that I would do 17:57 we could do this with this apartment when we leave yeah is just tell her on a game show buckets of paint and we go don't paint these don't paint. Whatever you do don't paint the walls and then we come back and it's back to what it's supposed to be monster. That's a way to get your house then that 18:17 if you're if you're into house flipping, here's a good way to save money on contract. I tell them right is TV in your old kids to believe they're on a competition reality series. Yeah, that's good and then get them to do the work for you, so they I had some players build my garage they start painted on the walls and it's not like they're painting. It's like they're just splattering paint, making a mass doing whatever they start just breaking stuff for the sake of somebody's stuff. 18:45 he has someone volunteer their house for this. They start breaking stuff for the sake of breaking stuff like you're just breaking furniture, breaking games, all the toys. One of the kids just goes and gets the cereal cash and he just starts ripping open the cereal cash like the place where they have all the cereal. Why did you call it the serial cash because it's a lot of cereal and then he just rips open the bags of cereal and just starts running around the house like fleeing cereal everywhere like they are just trashing the place. 19:13 within an hour. This is the how this is the living room within like an hour of them being in there. Oh man, if you've ever worked in children's ministry, you know exactly what this looks like. Yeah, it's just what do they were. First of all, let's look at the color. The wall was what is this the Garfield house 19:35 I think they tried to make it fun. I think they painted it to be like oh, it's a fun environment for the kids. He's riding the bike inside that so immediately yeah they got the water guns out. They had a water war indoors with water balloons and everything like just just thrashing it because like they're not really thinking through like if you trash this whole place you got to sleep somewhere for the next five days. You know yeah and so that is exactly what happens for about four hours. They just go ham and then 20:04 they start to, it starts to set in. And then also we got to live here for the next week. And then 20:22 and so just the marshmallows of the cereal. So it's like eight forty p.m. Something like that they get together. They have a house meeting and here they are in this house meeting and there's just trash everywhere. The this no, so this rash I'm going to call it this kid in the gray shirt is the one who like takes charge. I don't know who took charge, but they said let's get together house meeting and they said we need to elect a leader. Oh really? Yeah, which is very interesting that yeah they sat down. They said we need to elect a leader. 20:51 and that person's going to help maintain order because they immediately realize they're like this is chaos. We can't have no one in charge and so they elect a leader and you're a hundred percent right. That kid is the kid that they elect as the leader feels like I mean look at his hair cut. Yeah, his name is 21:07 he's the only one wearing a watch is why he's in charge. You know saying like he's the only one kids got a camera this house that was like I'm going to need to be able to tell what time it is. His name is George wearing a watch when you're a kid is like a flex at the power move yeah, because it's like I am responsible enough to not lose this and also I know how to read it. I know you know that's you saying to your other 21:37 ask me what time it is. Oh, I know I know, but it's one of those it's one of those like I'm in fifth grade and I need to keep track of time. It's one of those. You know, having a watch is when your childhood starts to die yeah, because when you're a kid, you don't it doesn't matter what doesn't matter what time it is everyone you're at everyone knows racking time. 22:02 That's the thing that's the secret. Oh, it's five thirty is dinner time. Shut up, go live, go outside. That's the secret. That's why we're also stressed. It beats because we're so concerned with the time and we're the clocks. 22:19 your watch. Someone's got to be in charge here. Okay, the power moved to your they don't either watch and then keep you. So you're the only one capable. Anyway, now that it's five to eleven, I'm glad that let me tell you what time it is 22:49 let's all get rid of our watches. Let's throw them in the river. That's right. We idiots are the only one who knows 23:05 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 23:17 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 23:49 so George, I told you what my dad thinks about time zones. 24:02 that's a really funny way to phrase that, but my so like my dad doesn't think that we should do time zones anymore. Why I've getting there, he thinks that it should just you know. You know how like when you know well, you don't know you're not a pilot when you fly you go on grinch time and Zulu time and so we do the universal clock right and so that's what he thinks we should all just live on the universal time. 24:26 yeah and like he's in you know, and your argument would be like well, seven a.m. would be so he was yeah. You would just get used to the sun coming up at whatever your time five p.m. where you are yeah and then it would go down and then when you see hours posted, it would be out. There was a just be that yeah, which the problem with that though is when you move, because then you move to I don't know say Japan and then now you're like oh 24:55 I it's it's three o'clock in the morning or three o'clock, and to you that's the middle of the night. The reality it does, because now your brain, because now the number in your brain that you've associated getting used to that's really tough. Yeah, it's not impossible, but it's tough, but it would make it a little easier when you do move to Japan to go. Okay, so now my work hours are going to be three to one instead of nine to five. Yeah and 25:25 the sun is setting at ten. You know, I think that's, I mean, I, it does make sense. 25:36 Okay, so have you seen never mind my dad just really passionately thinks that we should get rid of. He's like he's like it's just so frustrating yeah. I agree with him. I have actually seen this thing that if you're on like the far side of a time zone, yeah, you're actually less healthy because your sleep schedule is worse yeah yeah, because because yeah you're either waking up or going to bed. 26:00 too early. I've always wanted to build a house big enough in Indiana where the time zone thing is so that one side of my house is an eastern time or the other side is in central time, so then you could just walk. You're like oh, I got to wake up in an hour. I go to the other bedroom yeah and I get an extra hour sleep pretty funny. That's big brain right there, yeah, so George, I was just thinking about what are we 26:30 daylight savings time. 26:35 we're still day one. Oh shoot, we have five days to go. It's okay. We've almost been four minutes. I know because I track that act. 26:53 all right. Fine, let's keep going so door. We can cut out all your chip at stuff. That doesn't need to get so leave this party and where I reference it because people will be like chip at what I got a feeling this episode is going to suck 27:11 right now. Okay, so what I was saying about saving time is that there's there's two types of people right in the fall when you gain an hour of sleep yeah right. You can either go to bed at a normal time and actually gain an hour or you can do what my wife does and she goes. Oh 27:32 it's only eight p.m. right now and social stay up till two a so wake up the next day and be like I don't rest and I'm like yeah, because you didn't gain an hour so late up till two state of three extra hours. That's what I'm saying these kids like this. So they've elected this guy and they were like you tell us when bed time is to tell us what's the rules yeah. So immediately they start watch man 27:58 so immediately he kind of divvies up. He's like he's like all right, we got to get this place back in order like we ruin this place sure and so he divvies up some chores and so clean the paint up so he's like yeah you guys got to watch the paint off the walls. You guys got a vacuum. You guys got to try to fix this stuff. We broke you guys got to figure out what that smoke wants to jack. 28:18 Jack, we got to go back. There's a computer upstairs. You got to put this number in every hour. I don't know or something a little happen, so don't find out. So the kids who vacuum are the only ones who like can actually achieve the goal that they were given. The rest of the kids are trying to clean this pain off the halls and they're just scrubbing it with sponges and water and they're like it's not coming off and the kids that broke stuff or like I don't know how to fix furniture and so 28:47 they pretty quickly give up. It lasts like an hour and then they go back to just being chaotic and so they're like this is way more. It's so much easier when we did have a leader yeah and so they continue just. I mean that they continue just being can clean it up and then some kid was like freedom. 29:10 Liberty. So they, they start being pretty chaotic again, but now what happens is they have George in charge and so now they start bringing their grievances to George and George is now trying to be like the mediary between kids. Okay. And so he brings them together. He keeps bringing them in the living room and being like, what's your issue? What's your issue? And like trying to solve these problems, but he's not doing a good job at it. So like issues are spiraling worse and worse and worse. 29:40 but nothing gets like cake crazy, too crazy sure. So the first night all the kids stay up to like two a.m. They're literally in the backyard just screaming for the sake of screaming noise complaints keep getting called. The police keep showing up and the producers are outside. They're like it's it's for a tv show. Yeah. All right. We love the tally kid. What can I be on 30:06 it's very funny. There was a crossover episode of cutting edge and cops 30:14 and they taste them. The producers, the producers, they were miners later. The producers taste the cops. That's the twist. We're here to protect these. You know the UK. They don't have guns. Yeah, they were like we're not scared of you and so what you gonna do night stick me yeah, so they stay up all night and then the next day they go back to doing what they were doing. They spent a whole a whole day. 30:41 water gun fights indoors, riding bikes around indoors, all this stuff, just trash in the house. He's further, every once in a while, George is brought a grievance and he tries to make it better and doesn't really. The kids, mind you, are just eating the cereal and candy. Like they're not making any food. They learned how to cook, but they're not doing that. And so they do a whole day and stay up till like 2 a.m. again, go to bed, wake up. 31:07 And now things are getting a little strange. The kids are clearly hungry. They're clearly like on sugar highs and they're clearly very tired. Yeah. And the stress starts to get to them. So they start trying to cook, but it appears like they forgot everything they learned in their cooking classes. And so they start trying cooking stuff. They didn't attempt to use the stove or the oven at all. They were just using the microwave. They. 31:33 breaking eggs, putting in a pan, putting in a my I'm not exaggerate. When I say they got a bowl and they cracked like four eggs in this bowl and poured probably three cups of milk into this bowl, didn't measure it, just poured it into the bowl eggs and milk and put in the microwave for like two minutes and then got it out and tried to eat it and they were like oh, it's disgusting. It's like yeah, of course it is of course that's disgusting. 32:01 didn't like stir it up or not. Don't don't just poured it in shoved it. That's like what I had a babysitter when I was a kid. I remember this so specifically because it's one of those things where you just go. Did my mom care if I lived or died? I had a babysitter who and this was like a time where I'm a kid. I don't remember how old I am, but I know that she was like maybe thirteen yeah young you still leave children in charge of other children. Yeah. If you think about babysitters, especially back of the day, like it's kind of insane yeah, 32:31 eleven, twelve, thirteen and she didn't know how to make ramen and I remember her. She didn't break it up. She microwaved no water, a ramen patty that just turned dark in the microwave yeah, and then she was like. I don't think this is right and I was like that's not right. 32:56 I was like there should be water and so then she put water on top of an already microwaved thing and it's like Bert. It's like charred. That's what I'm saying yeah yeah. I remember that so clearly, but he always tells a story. She baby sat a girl whose parents were like super wealthy. She said that one day she only ate. I think it was spaghetti was the only thing she ate and so she made her spaghetti yeah and then the girl 33:23 was walking with her spaghetti and tripped on their Persian rug. It was like an eight thousand dollar rug and spill spaghetti sauce all over it. She spent in the girl stood up and went. You did this 33:34 she said they spent like three hours. The rest of the time the parents were gone trying to clean it and they couldn't clean it. It just kept getting worse yeah and they were terrified and then the parents got home and she said they just laughed. They went you spend three hours. I will just a new one kill another one. 33:56 Why you just try to clean it that much? It's not only a grand rich. Now here's your fourteen dollars go home, so they they're cooking is failing. They then they go pretty quickly. They try to cook a couple of things doesn't go over well and they look at the camera man and the camera is like I'm not allowed. I'm not allowed to help 34:23 and they're like if I put the fork in the toaster and the camera guys like they're like okay, if I do this and they go they did actually later that night they tried to cook hamburgers. They had frozen patties. They tried to cook hamburgers. They're cooking the hamburgers. I get uncomfortable cooking hamburgers. I couldn't really know and they they're cooking these hamburgers on the stove and it starts smoking and the boys 34:51 It's a ridiculous scene, especially when you know there's an adult right there with a camera filming this whole thing because it's smoking like a lot of smoke and the boys are freaking out trying to figure out why it's smoking. And it is odd because they just put the frozen patties on like they are brand new frozen patties and you look at them and they're they're not burning. Yeah. And so boys are like, what's going on? Why is this burning? They didn't realize they had a tea towel on the stove and the tea towel was catching on fire and that's what was and they grabbed the towel. 35:19 and they start like waving the towel around and they're like trying to stomp on it. 35:34 They're setting the house on fire? Understood. 35:45 because they don't realize that they left the gas on their butts light matches. I'll just I'll stand further away. I'll just back up. That's crazy and so where are the camera men sleeping? I don't know if they're sleeping. I my my assumption is that they're taking shifts okay, and yeah they're there all twenty four seven. So my assumption is that they're coming in and relieving them and going back to that apartment. Yeah, it's my assumption. I don't know they never explain that 36:15 but yeah, so then it does get a little sad at moments. There's moments where kids are kids and they kind of start bullying each other. A couple kids start getting singled out. George does a really good job of being a leader in this situation and I should say not being a leader. He doesn't actually like lead anyone or stick up for the kids, but he does comfort the kids that are being bullied and so there's a stick out for him, but then comes along goes 36:41 hey, I'm sorry, I really sucks that I said that really sorry that sucks. I was he just gas fighting under. I just I had to do it for power. You know I you get it. They can't see me be weak. What am I supposed to take my watch off? So read this 37:05 Jeez, dude. 37:08 Oh, so one of the kids does end up deciding he's going to sleep outside, so he puts up a tent outside and got boy that much yeah, and so he decides he's going to say a lot for a kid to eject from sleep over where he is. I was a man outside. Well, I should say there were kids that were sleeping outside every night like they set up a couple tents. There's kids that were choosing between inside and outside, and so he chooses I'm going to, but he wanted to be out there alone, so it's a little different. They elected him as the kid who was supposed to clean all the dishes and like he 37:37 peer pressures into it. And so he ends up being the dish cleaner the rest of the week. And so there was some sad things like that. Another kid, Michael, got blamed for all the issues in the house because he kind of was like he was the one breaking everything. He was the one throwing cereal everywhere. Like we were almost as cereal as he was only like. No, no. I don't know if I have doesn't matter a picture of him, but he was the one they're like, you're the reason why we're almost out of edible food because we can't cook. 38:07 and you threw cereal all over is it yeah. We'll tell that to these three squirrels. I killed up you killed squirrels and so he they were dead when I found them. They singled them out and this was actually a really interesting moment because they single them out. They and it starts to escalate pretty quickly. They lock him in a closet for a while while they try to decide what they're going to do with them and then they they open it up and then they drag him out of the closet, drag him in the backyard, tie him to a chair in the backyard. 38:36 and they're like and they've watched in movies. They get george and like george. What are we going to do to him on time? So they're all sitting there at the camera man's just watching and one of the kids like we could just beat him up and george is like that's actually an option and then all of a sudden george just has a moment and he's like he's like we should go. We should go talk to miss scott 39:03 and everyone's like oh, it's a good idea and so they all get together. They run upstairs and they ring the door, are tied up and they're chanting at the door. They're like scott scott scott scott and she comes out and like we want to talk to you and like let's go get the kid you tied up in the backyard. They go to one of the bedrooms and it starts like just everybody in this group counseling session like ganging up on Michael Michael's very clearly having a hard time with it, but by the end of it she does do a pretty good job like 39:30 redirecting everyone and everyone realizing. Oh, we're all the problem and not just Michael like we all have had a part in this because she's watching this whole thing from her studio apartment, eating popcorn. He's like watching the lives and she's like. I love watching kids suffer 39:47 but and so I love this, so they all agree like yeah, we're all the problem. It's not just Michael. Michael is literally like curled up in a ball in his bed like yeah cry. Michael's parents are like he needed a reality check. So why we set up and so then Miss Scott just stands up and walks back in her apartment leaves in there and so okay. Good talk. The kids go over. They try to comfort Michael. Michael's not having any of it and so you guys just tied me 40:17 You literally just tied me up outside. The only reason you stopped. And so they they talk for a long time. Eventually they decide Sim gets the idea is like we should play man hunt and so they go downstairs to go play man hunt. And when they get outside they find a what's the word chipmunk, not a chipmunk go for some animal like that. I can't remember what animal it was, but some small animal chipmunk go for type animal and they decide let's kill it. 40:44 and so they start chasing this thing around the backyard. They trap it in in like some bushes and they're all throwing stuff at it, trying to get this go for chipmunk or whatever, and that's the moment when the camera crew steps in and says hey guys, we should stop this so to be clear. 41:05 camera guy watches Michael get tied up relentlessly bullied the whole week. Well, they go out at the house of fire. This is the same thing as when someone's like they see a homeless person on the street yeah, and then they see that homeless person has a dog and they go feel bad for that dog. Yeah, yeah and you're like hey, there's a human being right there. It's the same. I was just thinking about this in movies about how like you don't want to see a dog get hurt in the movie. I just watched a fall guy 41:35 Yeah and there was and I was watching is a fight scene where I'm watching them shoot people over and over and over yeah and there's this dog that's barking and I was like don't shoot the dog what's wrong with me yeah yeah because we're so desensitized that if we had a bunch of movies where dogs got killed all the time you probably wouldn't care as much. I'm going to start watching more of them. What are you doing just trying to desensitize myself to the death of animals? I don't want to care this much about care. 42:10 I care too much about animals across from my gym in Kansas City is the animal hospital and have I told you about this now and every Thursday, the big white van pulls up and comes and picks up the animals that didn't make it yep, yep and so every Thursday morning it happens. We see it happen because I'm at the gym every Thursday. I was I was a big strong man 42:40 but I'm in there working out one time and I just hear like this and I look up and there is a there's a middle aged white lady on the elliptical that faces the in wasp and she is just sobbing on this 42:58 that's and I was like should have watched some more YouTube videos. I'm do since yeah they could they could take that right out my family, my freedom. I watch cats die on the internet. 43:19 I'm doesn't hurt me. So so that he step in, make sure they don't kill the gopher or whatever it was. Okay, and the boys go through the rest of the week, just as much of a mess, not even anything sugar highs by the last day. The last full day. It's very clear that most of these boys want to go home. They don't want to be a part of this anymore. 43:48 they are emotionally and like physically just so drained because they barely ate. They've barely slept. They've expelled a ton of energy yeah, and they're all really started to get on each other's nerves, and so there's a lot. This last house isn't big enough for them to like separate yeah, and so this last day is a lot of tears. A lot of kids like that are like very clearly like very stressed and emotionally just yeah ready to go. This is like church camp, but they none of them want to 44:17 break. None of them want to be the kid who goes home and so all of them are like holding on and like there's just so many shots of them on this last day where they like sitting in chairs just like what literally white knuckling it like gripping the chair seats and just like staring off in the wall to like make it through the day. So that way they didn't quit. It's pretty pretty rough. There was a kid and when I was a when I was a camp counselor, his name was we'll say Colby 44:46 because that's what it was and he I remember the other counselor in our cabin said to him because he was he would egg stuff on and then like he would get made fun of and he like he would just crumble yeah and the other counselor said something wise that I think I've actually learned from and maybe you should too. Yeah, as he said cold, but they probably wouldn't bully you so much. If you weren't such a baby every time it happened, 45:15 this was like Thursday and I remember being like I don't think that was the right thing to say to this sixth grader, but but also bad. Yeah, you know, but he was the kid that like by Thursday he was just like no one likes me and it can house was like buddy. Yeah, they're doing it to get that rise out of you. Yeah, you're not likable buddy. Like I you know it's like he didn't say that to that kid. Yeah, 45:41 you know. I hope that kid turned out okay. I got a YouTube playlist to watch free was like a kid. You have a soft spot for the like man, but like he just really was like shooting himself in the foot on any chance that like people were like hey man, come play with us. Yeah, it was almost like he was like pulling out his pocket knife and deflating the ball and be like ha ha ha and then and then he's like why don't they like me like me? Yeah, I don't know. You did some sucky stuff so on the last morning they will. They all wake up 46:10 their parents are in a line in the probably like early twenties. Now he's some college girls problem now, so so they wake up at the boarding. All their parents are in a line in the front yard waiting for them, and so they all walk out the front door together and they they're reunited with their parents. The parents get to come in and see what they did to the house. All their parents are just like. What did you guys do? Like it was Michael, it was Michael Michael, Michael, wasn't me. I was tied up in the back and they're like 46:38 why their parents were looking at the pit, the camera guys and like different shift. They it wasn't that one wasn't me. I wasn't here for that one and they're just yeah. They're blown away that their kids did that all of them, except for one parent. One parent's like honestly, I probably would have done the same thing. It's actually kind of like what you did with yeah. We should let you do this at all. This is pretty sweet and so this this got some interesting reception in the public. Most of the people 47:06 most of the public was like this is not okay that you did this. It's pretty wrong, but honestly like we want to watch more of it yeah and so give us boys alone to so they spent a year cleaning up this house and then cutting edge about stop fifty episodes later, put out a show called Girls Alone and it was in the same house, a group of ten ten and eleven year old girls pouring episode of the whole season because they all were well adjusted and did nothing. 47:34 What is interesting is the first night they, the group of girls got together, they cooked a spaghetti dinner with meat sauce and they baked a cake and they had dinner around a table together and 10 and 11 year old girls and they, they all like, they put together a fashion show that they all did in the house. No damage, no messes. They actually did. One of them did spill some of their spaghetti and they all got together and they with soap and they cleaned up the carpet and got the stain on the carpet real quick. So that way it wouldn't stain. 48:03 Like, exact opposite experience of what happened with the boys. They did end up drawing on the walls at one point, but what they did, it wasn't, they weren't drawing to like damage the walls, they were drawing to decorate the space above their beds. And so they would like put their name and they decorated their space, they painted. They did feel guilty about it later and tried to clean it off, but they couldn't clean it off. By and large, didn't damage the house. 48:32 they did. There was drama. There was situations where like they've gotten disagreements. There was situations where girls did kind of get bullied and it was like it was sad in moments. There was two girls that did end up leaving deciding to leave. They never actually called the therapist in, but two girls did end up leaving, but for the most part honestly pretty uneventful like they cooked for themselves. They they cleaned the house. They they they divvied up chores. They clean that kept the house clean. They showered 49:01 like the boys did not shower at all and so like sure yeah think about that. Yeah and so like that was a church camp. We had to be like hey yeah you smell yeah you stink, go shower the girls. The what I will say is the girls did pull pranks on each other and when they pulled the pranks they were a little like meaner like the boys were just like hurting each other. But the girls like there was one scene where a girl was fresh air with another girl and she took a big bucket of water and just dumped it on her bed without her knowing it's like right before 49:31 bedtime and so like her bed was just soaking wet that night and so like there was stuff like that. That was just a little meaner. We're on the boys on the other hand, just fought. I forgot to mention the boys to get in. They split into two groups and did get no like a full scale war and so they split into two separate bedrooms. They were like throwing stuff. I didn't mention that. I forgot that I forgot the war about the war of day three. Yeah, they did. They did get into a whole war. It was four on six 49:56 it was the quiet ones was the loud ones and they were like literally just throwing whatever they could find in the house at each other and it was like it was pretty violent. The caraman didn't like it was like actually angry though or oh yeah. It was like a real war like they were like yeah. They were throwing stuff at each other and so after this they didn't. They were like yeah that this this the girls alone thing wasn't as exciting as the boys and so let's bring those same boys back so five years later in two thousand nine 50:25 They said, hey, remember when this was really cool? and it was a series. because in this show, 50:44 and they both had the food. They had all the stuff, but they were given like tasks that they had to do throughout the course of the week, see and I think that's probably what the what the difference maker is going to be is if they've got to accomplish something together yeah. That'll create a team sense and a sense of like direction yeah, but if it's just five days just do nothing. That's the same thing. I mean like you know, church camp yeah, those team exercises were fun 51:10 but it also like there's a reason we do cabin versus cabin. Yeah, it's because it solidifies your cabin as like we're looking out for each other kind of thing. It didn't go better and actually went way worse, so they because there's girls and there's those like opposite sex involved. Well, what they did was they gave them money and so instead of just stocking the house with all the food and goods that they gave him money, they said you have to budget 51:36 you have to put together a budget and you have to go to the store and you have to buy a mate. You need same age group. You have to buy everything that you need and so they follow these kids. The kids walked down to the local store. They Cameron followed into the store and did not enter. Let's imagine group of ten you drive. You're just driving to work one day right. You're just driving. You see a group of ten children and a camera man and 52:05 the caraman is not interacting with them and is following pretty far behind them. Actually just a there's a group of ten unaccompanied minors by themselves and then maybe fifteen twenty feet later is one man with a camera who is just keeps talking to himself here and you're like you know what I'm going to keep going to work. Good. I don't want to be involved in whatever that is, so they go to the store 52:35 and the kids just buy junk like they don't buy anything of substance. The girls actually bought cigarettes and they smoked them and the camera men did not intervene. How do they buy them? I think they got an adult to buy them for them. I think they went and they found an adult in the parking lot. We're like. Can you buy us the yes? Hey, will you buy the end? The adult was like 53:04 This is the camera. I don't know if I'm oh he just goes he just goes 53:11 that would be great TV. That would be really good TV and the girls smoked them, the girls smoked them and so and the whole concept to show. There was three episodes solo and then the fourth episode they made the girls move into the boys house and that was also chaos and so move in as in like okay. We hold on. There's three episodes same kids, same kids yeah. Okay, they didn't do this three different times. Now it was the same group of kids for them, so those same kids moved in what day 53:41 I'm not sure. Here's what's interesting. I'm foggy on the details and everyone is because this show you can't watch it. It doesn't exist anywhere. It created such a giant backlash that while it was on, there was like government pressure from the United Kingdom to like shut the show down and channel four was like the Queen was like don't do this. Channel four was like we're getting two point four million 54:08 views a night on this like we cannot shut this down. That's not going to happen and do for was like my free, you know, like there and so yeah, channel four kept running the show, despite it being a thing where nobody every there was a massive public uproar, but everyone was watching it. It was the thing and so everyone was like this is child abuse like you can't let this happen and allegedly this one was well and like at that point though it's like guys it already happened. 54:36 Yeah, it's yeah, it's not you're not going to get it to stop. You know, like you're not going to. I think they didn't want them to air it like they don't like we shouldn't put this gonna because because of this one things. Things did get worse. Like there was a situation with a knife where this kid like was arguing with another kid with a knife and like threatening with a knife. There was from the promo. This screenshot comes from the ad that they ran to promote this show like a genuine fistfight between two of the kids. This kid's getting like nailed in the face. 55:06 I don't know how long I can show that without getting demonetized. It's blurry, that's fine and then yeah, and here's another shot from this of them alone at the grocery store. Just a bunch of shows very two thousand nine yeah. Those are those are some cool kids to that's a two thousand nine. Those are like yeah that is the style that's trendy, very trendy so 55:31 this one doesn't go over well. I tried really hard to find footage of it. I found one site that has two of the episodes, but I did say two of them are removed and it was the it was a site where you had to like down there. When I played it popped up and said there's viruses or viruses, you know, yeah, I'm not going to download these from this site, so as far as we can tell, it's been wiped from existence. This this like new series that they did a lot more controversial, a lot more violence, apparently 55:59 11 year old girls smoking cigarettes and they just broadcast it. a lot of potential lawsuits, child and social services was involved. When this one rolled out, they went back and they interviewed the kids 56:22 and like yeah, that was one of the most scarring experiences. My like all of them were like yeah. I have some serious emotional trauma from that yeah. That was very difficult. Sometimes I wake up from my dreams and I'm like on time. You know 56:36 complete like you know, like actually the villain of my dreams is always a camera man. It's like I was a person with a camera as a head is like someone who's just as a head in there and not helping me someone who like could help me who could isn't so in doing anything, but he's choosing not. What do you think like the as a camera man like as an operator as like a production a person on this show, there's got to be some levels of guilt that you feel for not intervening or probably I'm sure I'm sure yeah. I'm sure they feel guilty too, because they yeah they watched a lot of 57:05 sketchy things unfold, especially in the newer season. The older season, like there wasn't. I think in the newer season, I think the producers were like we know how to make this good tv because in two thousand two reality tv was really new. Oh for sure, but it was nine. They were like here give the kids cigarettes yeah watching watching the two. I watched the both the boys and girls alone and it was pretty dull like it was like very slow, like very just for two thousand two ground breaking yeah yeah, but yeah two thousand nine 57:30 they put them in situations. Same thing. We go watch reruns of like those nanny shows. I do all the time. I watch them all the time. Every day I'm watching those British ladies come in to Alabama homes and they just go. I'm here to put this house back in order yeah and they come in and it's a mess. They ride in their little limo like Mary Poppins yeah, so 57:59 a lot of people compare this only I watch. 58:06 I watch reruns of Nanny nine one one, so a lot of people compare the watch that new movies. No, no. Did you watch season for episode nine of Nanny nine one one? Honestly, probably, but I could tell you what happened. It's been twenty years since I watched that and wife swap are my guilty pleasures. Dude, I wife's the great though there 58:36 what a tell me the idea. Okay, no, no, so a lot of people compare this to the the Lord of the Flies, brain stop for a second. A lot of people compare this to the Lord of the Flies right for obvious reasons, and so I I read a lot of like Lord of the Flies. No, I read a lot of like. I read some of the articles about this story and prep for this and in prep for it. I came across this story that we just have to talk about 59:09 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. 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He was a son of a guy named Sir Arthur Warner, who ran a company called Electronic Industries, a very big electrics company in Australia, okay, electronics company in Australia, 01:00:39 when he was a kid, he got an interest in sailing though, and so he couldn't make a career out of sailing, so he became an accountant for his dad's company, did that for years, but he would sail on like vacations. He would sail boat around Australia as a kid. Well, this now is early adulthood, so he's gonna keep working as an accountant for his dad and then on September, eleventh, nineteen sixty six. He is on one of these sailing trips for like vacation by himself. I believe so actually okay, 01:01:06 and he's sailing. He comes across the island of a ta. This is the island, a very small deserted island and he notices her did yeah. There's nothing there. Well, that is we got to get some key terms here. Deserted means there was something there. Oh yeah, yeah. So there was actually this. So this island was there was a local tribe that lived on this island for forever and they actually all got kidnapped during the slave trade and so it's vacant now. 01:01:34 but there's like structures and stuff from when they were there. So it is a desert and is stuff that was okay. Okay, okay. Yeah, this was an island that had so at the top of it. You can kind of see that like mound at the top. The back end of that is a little crater. This is was a volcano okay, okay and inside there like an ancient volcano yeah inside there's where their little village was oh okay, okay, okay, yeah, so cross is island yeah, so it comes across this island and he's just sailing on his little sail trip. I don't know 01:02:04 1966 and so he's smoking his pipe and then he notices from that the island runs eyes a little bit and he sees a kid running off the island shirtless jumps in the water and is like running across the water like waving at him and then he sees from the bush another kid come running out of the bushes and then another kid come running out of the bushes and then another kid come running out of the bushes eventually there's a group of like eight kids jumping around 01:02:33 comes in and gets close enough to where one of them could swim out and the kid says, hey, we've been stuck on this island for fifteen months and he's like what what it's a group. There's a group of eight boys and there was one of them had a watch that could tell it's been fifteen months and that he sees a dude with a camera cover out for the bushes. He's like oh, I've been out here with his kids for fifty months. I've had a radio to call for help 01:03:01 but I just thought that that would ruin the episode experiment. That was so big beard. What happened was the kid. So these kids are fourteen. They go to a Catholic school on the island nation of Tonga and they were in class one day bored and they like it's a beautiful day out and so lost on an island. So they went down to the pier and they stole someone's boat and they were like oh, it's going to be a great day, so they just went out on the boat. 01:03:30 and they had no intention of like going far. They're like, we're just going to sail out, enjoy the day, go back to land. They sail out, make anchor somewhere, and then they all fall asleep. And then a storm hits and it breaks their anchor. And then they just go drifting and they try to open up the sail. The sail gets shattered in the wind. And so then they just drift. And he said, they drifted for eight days at sea until eventually they drifted to this island. And they hit the island. They swam up to the island. 01:04:00 and then they survived on this island for fifteen months. These kids they got together and they set up a fire at the top of that mountain and it was is nineteen sixty six is nineteen sixty six and they set up this fire and so this was their eternal in the summer of sixty five yeah. They go missing and they survive fifteen months. Yes, eight fourteen year old boys surviving a fifteen months on a deserted island on a deserted island and they set up at the top of the mountain. They set up a flame 01:04:29 so they're like this is our signal fire. We're going to keep it burning. This is our eternal fire for when the Olympic games get started on this island because we're going to have to repopulate somehow, even though yeah, they're not sure how that's going to work, but and so they do. They keep that fire burning for fifteen months. It never goes out. They said they kept it burning for fifteen months and took fifteen months for anyone to see the fire. That's how remote this island is and they they start hunting. They start fishing 01:04:55 they start killing like the birds around and like little small animals that are on the island. They find the tribe that lived there had a farm and so they found when that that tribe got abducted they took all of the other chickens were left behind. So there's like a hundred chickens live on the island. So they were taking the eggs from the chickens, they were killing some of the chickens and cooking them like surviving off the island and the dude was 01:05:23 the guy who find found him Peter like didn't believe the story because these kids were so fit like he's like he's like these kids should not be this fit. If they were trapped on this island for fifty, they should not nourish. They should yeah yeah, but they were like in incredible shape and he said he said yeah. We were running around the island. That's a detail that he put in his kids were too hot. His kids were like freaking. He was a we're in great shape for kids who but I noticed at one point you could tell this island is like it's it's a 01:05:52 it's a cliff, the island and so at one point one of the boys did fall off that cliff and break his leg and they using sticks. They stinted it and were able to like heal his leg and so that kid that kid he didn't have his job had like survival skill. Oh they had to be boy scouts yeah. These were eagle scouts for sure Alex. How long could you make it on a deserted island? Do you think I mean how talking to your microphone 01:06:21 Oh fine, now you can't hear me. 01:06:24 back to you. Oh sorry, say it again. I mean how many people there eight eight and you're all jazz. You could eat seven people. Well, how many people I mean, what's the supply like Alex? Are you a cannibal cut his mic cut his mic cut his mic guys? You don't see this right now, but he's he's looking at Tim with a knife and a for Alex put that down 01:06:56 That's crazy. So what's your number yeah? If there's if there's eight people, I mean probably quite a while. Let's say that only four of them have your skill set. Yeah, four of them are dead white. Yeah, does that change it? I feel like as long as there's a few people that are able to help. What if you're the only one? What if you're the like? What if what if the three of us were stranded somewhere and like 01:07:24 We have the ability to do the things you tell us to do. 01:07:29 Does that make sense? Yeah, but we probably want to know what to do. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how long we'd make that. Let's try it next season till on on the 01:07:45 so these boys surviving yeah. They sent up. They set up a series of hollowed out coconuts to collect rain water and so they could have like safe drinking water. Like they set up this whole system to survive and they did. They survived for fifteen months. The guy when he met the kids, he didn't believe it and so he radios back to shore and he says hey, I got a group of eight boys that I found under this island. They said they'd been here for fifteen months, the missing eight and the guy, the guy on the other side was like hold on. 01:08:15 And he's like, I didn't hear anything for 20 minutes. comes back and was clearly choked up. And tells them where to bring him. and the family's there, the family's losing them. They were like, it's been 15 months, 01:08:44 and all of them are alive and well, and so all of them are sobbing jacked all the parents are like what you do, your shoulders. 01:08:58 like everyone's like eight hot kids eight jack teens found on an island like that's the one detail they start that if that was if that happened today, that's a hundred percent the detail that would run. Oh my gosh and so they're all reunite. They all become fitness influencers. Their I'm serum like if you want abs like mine, you're going to have to go to an island for fifteen months 01:09:28 So they all they're all hugging their parents. It's a really emotional moment and then the police comes and arrests all of them and takes him to jail for theft because they stole the boat and the guy's boat found out that they found him and he was like yeah. I want to press charges. That was an expensive boat and so he arrests all of them. Peter's standing right there and he's like are you kidding me right now? And so Peter telegraphs his dad. He's like he's like hey, I crazy story. 01:09:53 he's like you're like let's just get past the bar. I found some boys, I found some jacked boys. Anyways, we have to. Can I have a few hundred dollars? I got to pay off this boat debt. It's nineteen sixty, so that's a lot of money and his dad's like whatever much was the boat that so he comes back and he he gives the guy a hundred and fifty bucks and the guy's like this will cover it. It's nineteen sixty six. It's also an island nation in nineteen sixty six, 01:10:22 and so at the time a hundred fifty dollars is what I mean when I say rich people have always been goblins. You know if you see the video, there's a reporter who was talking to somebody. This is like a couple weeks ago yeah and they're at the boat dock and the guy is like oh man. You know the economy so bad because of all this stuff and like people can't afford groceries yeah and she just goes. Do you feel like you're in the best position to talk about that as you get on your yacht? 01:10:51 and he freaking loses his mind. That's really good, so that I just did the inflation calculator. That's fifteen hundred dollars today, so I mean which is still it's a cheap boat, but I think you got to remember. Also, this is a small island nation, so like it's there 01:11:10 but still you they've been missing for a year. They m is missing for over a year and they come back and you're like what about my fifteen hundred dollars about my boat again? We can probably figure that out dude, so he pays for the boat and then he goes to the king of this nation and he says hey, I would like to have that island. No, what he says is he said he said I'd like two things and the kigs like I'll give you one. The gig was like I will grant you anything for finding our lost boys, our lost Jack boys 01:11:39 and he says he says okay two things one. He said I would like is ripped rapscallions. He's like he's like I would like exclusive rights to the story and then to I would like fishing rights to the seas around your island nation and the King grants them both of those and so he takes the story rights and he sells it so they could create the story like the film the story line and then he sets up and does his dream. He's like he's like he sets up a fishing company so he can sail around these islands. 01:12:09 instead of being an accountant for his dad's company and then he three years later hires all of these eight boys to be a part of his fishing crew when they graduate high school and so here he is with the he's the he's the the dude on the they're all still Jack. Yeah, they join him and they go fishing with him on the sea for years. I don't know if you notice anything, but the guy in charge 01:12:39 He's got a watch. He's got a watch on him. 01:12:44 so yeah, that's the story of Peter. This is Peter is this guy to get you a close shot of him where he's got a rich dude's haircut yeah, especially in the sixties where he discovered these these kids and saved them, saved their lives. That's not a shan, they survived that long. That's pretty incredible. They also set up along all across this island. They set up a 01:13:10 food garden where they grew their own food. They had that rainwater system with the holladaw holladaw trees and coconuts. They built a gymnasium, a badminton court and they had a chicken enclosures and then they had that permanent fire burning for someone to see that fire and come rescue them. And then they the kid got examined from a doctor afterwards and they said, I mean your break healed perfectly fine. You guys did exactly what you needed to do and that's crazy because you heal a broken bone. You think I mean if it's just 01:13:39 putting together a splint yeah. I hate the hubris. I'm proud of my eagle scum. Yeah, I mean yeah easy. I mean yeah, I'm an eagle scout, so yeah, those are those are a few stories of boys being left alone. A couple of them went well. One of them went well. The rest of them did not go well. Wow, so that's crazy. Anyways, what here's what's wild. They say that eat to this day 01:14:08 if you sail by the island of a ta, I don't know if anything's on that island anymore. It looks completely deserted now yeah, but they say to this day. If you say I was ever want to go back like they're ever like I miss the island. I don't know. I mean yeah, maybe I don't know you know, but if you sail along that island at the perfect time at night, they say you can hear the sounds of a fiddle off beautiful. Do you think this is how fiddle? Is what you think 01:14:39 where you think it was a way. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like that last story about Peter Warner, you probably going to like Julianne cop. It's a story very similar, but there's one person and she survived a plane crash and also survived in the wilderness for like a really long time. It's an absolutely bonkers survival story. So if you like those, you're going to like that one. Check that out. Julianne cop key, uh, hey and hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, 01:15:07 Make sure you subscribe, comment, hit the bell, all this stuff that YouTubers tell you to do. 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The United States Is Building a Wall… Of Worms | Worm Wall Ep 243

10-01-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 America's at war, open your eyes people were at war with flesh eating worms. That's right. The US and Central America are trying to create a barrier to a completely eradicate a type of worm slash fly yeah. So next time you see an IRS rep say thank you for killing the work. That's what your tax dollars at work. 00:17 fighting the war on worms, the war, the war more or more. Anyway, so why you're giving money to the I R S? You can also give money to me by tickets to my shows this weekend. I'm in Oklahoma next week and I was Arizona and the rest of the month is the smoking hot life comedy tour with Shamah Marima. We're in Virginia and Massachusetts and then November. We've got some crazy fun tour dates, so I will probably be somewhere near you soon. Hopefully, that would be great. 00:46 so this is a podcast. It's a comedy podcast. We're going to laugh a whole lot and then maybe you're going to learn something stuff about screw worms. Yeah, like and subscribe and share it and or if you hate it, just keep quiet. Don't don't tell anybody except for the comments. Don't tell any 01:06 Here's the episode. 01:10 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the great American warm wall? The great American what worm wall, the great American, I thought yeah, I thought you said worm wall, but I was like there's no way I heard great American worm wall. I don't know if that's what is actually called. It's like that's what is it a wall really called kind of because I don't want to do an episode about a wall of war. It's a metaphorical wall of worms, but it is, but it is a wall of worms okay. 01:40 I think I miss when we had an intro. You know we had music because we just go like just roll it. You know I mean we could get a little bumper. You know whatever yeah so this is it's funny. You get it. It helps in comedy. There's a rule of three. You have to do it the way we're going to understand the worm was if we start with understanding the worm 02:13 I'm sorry. 02:21 Okay. I hate you for that, that was good. All right, let's understand the worm. Okay, so there's a specific breed of worm called the screw worm. And the screw worm is called a screw worm because it kind of resembles a screw and because of its life cycle. So an adult screw worm looks like this fly. And they were, they're- This is a worm? This is an adult worm. So- 02:47 I say Pupate into the larvas. You pay yeah, that's the word I know, but I don't like that you used it okay, so they start out as one they pupate you pay into that, but the there I remember I Pupated that's the word. Yeah, you're right. It is your domin is so their flies are fairly large flies and they used to be like a lot. 03:14 in the United States. They used to be very, very common flies a deal with cicadas. What do you mean? What's they only come out every seven years? No, that's not true. They come out in force every seven years. It's their election year and I remember the freaking cicada olympia. What's happening every seven years? They're like yeah, I don't know exactly. I don't know the science, but here's my shot at it. I think there's a few breeds and I think there's certain breeds that come out every year, but then there's certain breeds. 03:42 that come out every seven years. What does that mean? They come out? Where do they come from? I think they're, where do they go in their caves? Are they the McRib? It's cut yeah, yeah, yeah, we're bringing up as are back. I mean, this was the year that they're aggressive. I remember yeah, twenty seventeen in Kansas City. Yeah, I was like oh my gosh dude. Yeah, I don't know why these cicadas because you walk outside and you're just like I it's almost like I like a like a noise machine. Yeah, well you walk outside and you're like I can't hear myself think right now. 04:11 it's so we don't have him in L. A. By the way, oh really, we didn't have him in Denver. It blew me away the first time I heard him. I love him. I genuinely I'm not kidding. I genuinely love sitting in back porch and you love hearing that yeah, I do. I really like the sound like it's it's relive like that. I can tell what year I was when I was a kid because I have those memories and I go that was two thousand three because you know the because the cicadas were out. Well, they're out every year. That's just how much are out 04:39 No, you can tell when they're out. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like sometimes it's louder like yes. Yesterday, actually I walked back in the house and I told Brio's I was like cicadas are louder today than they've been all year because this year was supposed to be a big year for them, but here it hasn't been very big like is big been big south of us, but here it's been pretty average hot, hot, hot, hot, hot. Yeah, it's usually the worst in August and September like through the fall. Interesting. Yeah, so because I remember anyway quite 05:09 basically what this says is that they hatch every seventeen years and it's because of predators. They hatch every seventeen years lately in thirteen thirteen there's some of them are thirteen some of our seventeen so they and so the but the brood will hatch and so that brood will hatch and a bunch of where they lay their eggs. Where are they at? I don't know whether I guessing in the dirt, but I think what happened for seventeen years. 05:34 Yeah, and then they come out and I think it's to avoid predators because they're like if we're only out once every seventeen years, it's hard. They can't get us. I don't know, but it says brood. So my guess is that they pinpointed all the broods. And so every seven years, like a brood is just like a pile of eggs. That's what I'm saying. What is cicada eggs look like? I have no idea. Well, that's not if only that's not what the episodes about. I didn't research this. Okay, well, I do like the sound. It's it's quaint to me. 06:04 It reminds me of summer. It feels like summer. The sound feels like summer to me to me and it's nice. I like sitting on the back and sample it and make a summer song to the drinking my sweet tea, researching cicada thirty three or one yeah and trying to figure out the mystery pre video. Wow, that's crazy. Okay, so screw worms. That is an adult screw arm. It's a fly 06:34 what the fly, this flies cub, so what what they do is they're native to like south America. Over the course of time, they've migrated into the Americas, okay, so they were really, really popular in North America for a long time, right. The way that they their life cycle goes is an adult screw arm will go and lay her eggs where she lays her eggs is in the wound of an animal, the open wound of 07:03 a live animal goes and finds an open wound drops a bunch of eggs in there. Those eggs hatch. You're going to like this part buckle up hatch and up to be a eat the flesh, so the eggs hatch and then they burrow in and they eat the flesh. They look like screws and so they screw in and they eat the flesh and they eat all the flesh around to get to all the nutrients that they need. Once they grow large enough, then they drop out of the body, dig into the dirt pupate, come out of full full, you paid yeah 07:32 And so obviously this is not healthy for animals. It happened when these were popular. A very common place that they burrowed was in deer because deer they would get in their fights with their horns, get wounds, and then they would burrow into the deer. That was really popular. Home sweet home. Another thing that was really popular was livestock. Livestock was constantly getting infected. For us. Yeah. 08:01 And then also people, sometimes it did happen to people. It was pretty rare, but it did happen to people. I just cut my whole arm off. Yeah, and it's dangerous because obviously it's a flesh eating parasite. So that's not good, but it also like, it leads to infections and all sorts of other health concerns. So it's not a good thing. The estimate is that in the early 50s, this was costing the United States $750 million a year, United States farmers, because it was killing cattle. 08:30 and or making that cattle not sellable when they killed it or took the I think if they got infected too they couldn't milk it because it was not safe for like human consumption. So the USDA was like this is the major problem we need to come up with a solution for this and so they started working on this and oh wait this is actually the 30s and actually I worry 08:58 No, I said fifties, but this was the thirties because there was a guy, a scientist by the name of Nippling Edward F. Canipling. I'm going to be honest with you. I read that and I'm pretty confident it's nippling, but every video I've read or listened to, the guy calls him the narrator calls him canipling, so I'm going to say that to to fit in with the crowd, but I'm pretty sure they're all wrong and it's nippling because the K is silent in a word like that. Usually 09:27 There's no there's no vowel after it's just K. And I don't know. Edward F. Nippling, he was a USDA entomologist in the 30s and he was tasked with figuring out this problem. Right. One thing he realized in his studies was the screw arm only made it once and then it would never made again for the rest of its life. That was this one shot at reproduction. And so he said if they're yeah, the fly. 09:56 and so they said if there was a way we could they call the fly the screw worm still. I actually am not sure once it becomes a fly. If they actually call it, if they change the name, I don't know. Okay, I mean maybe probably screw or fly screw fly. So the screw fly, he said if there was a way for us to sterilize these flies and mass, then they would basically make themselves out of existence because they only made once. And so if 10:26 one of them one side of that was sterile, then they wouldn't be able to reproduce anymore right, and so he started researching ways to sterilize flies and the complicated surgery a little and so the problem with that though was this was the thirty's and then the war happened, and so he went off to the war and had to do the war thing for a little bit and then the war thing the war ended and the war inspired him. 10:55 because at the end of the war, something happened, the atomic bomb, and he was like oh, we just bomb these. He's like, why don't we just drop a bomb on him? Have you ever nuking the flies? We thought about nuking him. No, he was like he's like wait a second. Well, I shouldn't say he said wait a second radiation. What happened is he saw the effect of everyone who survived the bomb and then he's like wait, radiation might be our solution, and so what he did is he got a friend 11:22 who had an x-ray machine. I shouldn't say friend, probably a colleague that had a lab with an x-ray. It wasn't just like his neighbor. I just go to my house. I got an x-ray machine in my basement. It's right next to the poker table and on Thursdays we do pool night. If you're a fan of billiards, you can come on over and my wife will cook us some. I don't know. She's been on a she's been on a Amish bread kick lately, so we might eat some of that yeah and 11:49 but if you're busy Thursdays on Fridays, we do x rays. We figure out what your bow is like. I don't know what your guys just slamming beers and going it got less fun when we saw that tumor. Yeah, that was a pretty disappointing guys night. Yeah, so we just put Gary down right then and there we made him walk. We just told him walk and not stop. We flushed him down the toilet. 12:19 We told his wife he went to the farm. 12:26 okay, so he found his friend who's got an x-ray machine all right and canipa leg and his friend. They start taking flies. I hate when I go to the dentist and they put that heavy blanket on you. Oh gosh yeah, that's that's a I was so they're gonna shoot me. I was on there to put it on me and they're gonna be like not bulletproof yet. Got out a layer, so they they start 12:54 taking flies and sitting them down in the X-ray machine and X-raying them, catching with chopsticks just yeah and then they start testing them to see if they're sterile there and so after a while they figure out it takes five passes through the X-ray machine to sterilize a fly and so like we've got our solution. How many passes through a machine does it take to sterilize a human? I mean probably a lot more than five because I mean flies are way smaller than how often I fly. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you think I don't. 13:24 I think the radiation there is probably a lot less Because if you think about it, 13:38 Yeah, it's for your protection. There's a lot of radiation. Yeah, I think the x-rays at the airport are just pretty crazy that we haven't figured out something else, though, you know? To x-ray you? I don't think that's kind of crazy. I think it is. Because it's light. I understand what it is. I'm just saying, I feel like we're at a point where science could probably figure out how to do it with less radiation. It did, though. It's x-rays. Right. 14:06 But I'm saying they could keep progress. I feel like they just stopped. 14:11 I I'm having a hard time with this. I'm saying yeah. I know what you're saying. I just don't understand why. I think that the thing is like there's not a reason we got it. We figured it out. No, we're still getting radiation every time we do it yeah, but it's such a small amount. It's the same amount that you get just from breathing outside yeah, and I think we should fix that too. 14:32 I mean yeah, I guess maybe we can try to be the same thing is like you're still eating micro plastics. Yeah, none of us should be eating microplastic. That's kind of the whole point. That's what I'm saying. I become radicalized where we should probably fix all these problems. I saw I saw a meme and it was like it. I my grandpa body full of lead, my dad body full of asbestos, me body full of microplastics and it's like they're all like doing that arm thing holding. We're all in this together, baby, 15:01 Anyways, so they basically figured out the dosage of radiation to give a fly to sterilize them. And so then he writes a paper and puts it out and it's like, hey, we need, I don't know, a few million dollars to breed a giant group of flies, sterilize them, and then release them to the wild to eradicate this. Right. And it was pretty widely criticized. There was a quote. I don't know if we could say this, but I'm going to say it and then maybe 15:31 Alex, you decide you decide if we should censor this or not. It was a quote. It was quote idiotic insect sex scheme was what they the critics were calling this because they were just going to sterilize a bunch of them and make a make. Where did you think we couldn't say in that idiotic? They were going to sterilize them out of excess right? 15:58 people thought it was a bad idea. People were like there's no they're going to dump a bunch of these into the world and expect that to work and so did they do this with mosquitoes as well? I'm pretty sure I read. I think I sent this to you. They might have because this was a I think we talked about this on our discord with the member, the patreon hang out thing where we talked about how they were trying to get rid of mosquitoes in California. Maybe I think this is what they did interesting yeah anyway. 16:30 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. 16:41 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patrons supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and have AI pretend it's us. And so we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 17:13 he's campaigning for it. Some people think it's a bad idea to see certain people. They don't want us all to have kids. There's a lot of people who think is a bad idea, but he is eventually able to secure some funding for a test run in Florida, and so they put together or in not Florida. 17:34 car car carousel. Is that how you say that the island nation care? How did you get Florida from that? Well, how did you go? Not it's later in the story is like the story carousel. I jumped. I jump story, so caruso carousel carousel. That's how you pronounce it. I don't know Alex has it. Where are we time? It's an island nation in the Caribbean that has a bunch of Caribbean 18:03 it that has a bunch of screw or it's a smaller island nation. So like oh it's it's small enough. We could actually pull this off, so they go. They make a bunch of flies and you were like that's Florida. This happened. Okay, if I got some supporting for Florida, I mean gosh somewhere in the Caribbean. So what they did is they same thing put together a few million flies right and then they radiated them all and so they'd be sterilized and then they cooled them down. So they would basically be in like a chirogenic sleep. 18:32 and then they put these cool boxes into a plane and they flew over the island and they had a guy in the plane, dumped the boxes, and so that way all the flies would fall out of the boxes and the fall they would hit normal temperature and they'd wake up falling from the airplane, go down to the island, go down to the island and then mate. 18:56 with all of sure I got a mate right now, but all of the the flies in the I had a near death experience, maybe once you fall. Once you wake up falling out of a plane, he's realized life too short. Things in perspective and in in I need to become a family man now now and then you know the the start pay out. So here's a shot from that test. 19:23 of him inspecting some fly boxes. What year is this? This is in 51 when they did this initial test. And so they flew over and they did it and it worked. They are that within a few months of running these tests, the fly was completely eradicated from the island. OK, so imagine you go down there to count the flies, right? You're like, OK, let's see if we can. And you spend like a whole week, I haven't seen a single fly. We did it. Yeah, we did it. And you get. 19:50 Back to the airport, you're getting ready to fly back, you get in the little plane, they're doing the run up, doing pre-check stuff, and then in your plane is just a zzzz 20:14 no more, no more screw rooms here right. Sometimes I just look at the camera and I go you guys hear him right? Swimmingly what the heck? Where's your pipe? The test goes swimmingly idiot. I've just said through this and so the and that sells is something popping my neck right now. You change hats, Celsius, live fit, pop your neck, 20:41 Did you change your head and change my hat to make it seem like a different episode? I have a completely different shirt. I meant to change into the same shirt on different at same shirt, same at different hat, different at same shirt. Okay, same crap. So my manager says we need to post more about them. That's why I'm going to post a picture and just caption it. My manager says I have to post this 21:09 my manager keeps threatening me. So the Florida Cattlemen's Association, here's about this test sure and they were like hey, all of our cattle are dying from these screw worms and they're like. Can you please do this here and so they started campaigning the USDA yeah, they said er yes, I'm positive. I jumped ahead in the story early okay, fine. So they they campaign the USDA the USDA took him a few years, but in nine to fifty seven they're like fine. We'll do it for you and so they do a campaign to do this and 21:39 Florida and they work their way up and they basically create a line and so they they're pushing the border of screw arms from the the keys all the way up to the panhandle and then you're out of Florida and it works they in a matter of a couple years eradicate the screw arm from Florida. Wow. And so the USDA is like this is great and so they keep pushing that line and so they push it up to the south pushed across the west and they end up getting this the entire continental United States eradicated. 22:09 The problem is they have to maintain this eradication because they're still screw arms in Mexico right and so they have what they're doing at the time is they are flying over the entire Mexican border and they're dumping two hundred million sterile flies a week on the border to keep these flies from mating and then you know looks like if you just see like and so 22:35 This is how are they getting the flies that they're sterilizing? Oh, they've got a plant they're farming flies and so they've got a whole like internal ranch, an indoor ranch of where they're having the mate yeah and then they're pubating them yeah, so they have non sterile flies that they're using to create and then they're the ones that they're creating. They're sterilizing and then dropping them out of the plane. Science could get rid of mosquitoes. You know saying yeah 22:57 Well, the benefit is the I don't know about mosquitoes. I don't know how many times mosquitoes made in their life. The benefit of these is they made once and then you're done right. So the United States is like, hey, I think we're spending more money than we need to be spending on this. The US Mexico board is really big. Mexico's got that spot in the middle of Mexico. That's pretty thin, and so they call it Mexico and they're like, hey, you guys know these screw worms and they're like, yeah, screw those worms. They're like they're like, hey, 23:26 What if at least she didn't do what I thought you were like? What if we work together to get rid of them in Mexico and they're like what's the catch and it's just cheaper for us because it's thinner there and so we have a thinner border to run and then like okay cool and he's like in the US was like okay, let's do some math. How many cattle do you have on the north side of Mexico and like how much cattle do we have and so they basically figured out we're going to split the cost based on how much cows were saving her 23:55 And so the US was going to pay 80%. Mexico was going to pay 20%. And they moved the border down to that halfway point in Mexico where it's pretty thin. And so they ran that into the 80s doing the same thing, dumping flies less than they were before, but still dumping a lot of flies every single week. And then over time, Mexico was like, hey, but wait, we've got more country down there. Can't we just do this further down? And so year on year, it starts becoming a thing where 24:24 Mexico and the United States are calling every country further down the Central America and just like, Hey, you guys want to get rid of those flies? And then they're all starting to pour into this budget and moving that, that border down. And over the course of the 1900s, that line just keeps getting moved down and moved down and moved down and moved down until eventually it has reached the isthmus of Panama and it hit that point in 2001. 24:52 and so that's our barrier right now. There's a point in the middle of Panama where we're doing this and we do this to this day. There's an organization there called cope, which first of all cope, peg has probably the coolest logo out of any government organization. We stinking pretty sick, pretty sick. It's just a fly in a radiation symbol because we're radiating those flies out of existence. Yeah, no pubating here, no pubating here. Okay, 25:22 I just realized something, but I'm going to save it for the after the fiddle. I pulled a Mitch McConnell and so now copag in two thousand one. They built this big facility and this is their farm where they are creating all these flies is a prison for flies. Yeah, this is private fight fly prison and they are all it takes is two of them to get out though. You know saying I mean not. I mean 25:51 Yeah, but there is a ground game here and we'll talk about that in a second. What a ground game they they know that though you can't defeat a species like this just with the air attack. You got to go on the ground to yeah and you got to use mental warfare. They convince some of the flies that there were vampires in their area. Yeah, yeah, watch out. So the CIA did that. That's actually something the CIA tried to do is they convinced to yeah 26:20 We talked about that in an episode right in the M K. What episode was that M K ultra? Okay, yeah, you're right. We'll link it somewhere. It'd be cool if you could click that on the screen or something. Yeah, we're not going to do that. Alex put a note in, so I actually do it. Hey Alex, would you please take a note of that so that maybe we can remember to do that? Do you see how I talked to them like a person and you talk to them like like an AI assistant? He is an AI right Alex take so 26:48 They know that's not the right way to do it. Oh, you certainly sorry. So that I tell you, I was, I was looking up something. It was about our episodes. I was trying to create some threads or content for the stuff and it got one of the facts wrong. Okay. About one of the stories and I said, no, this is the real one. And then it goes, oh, you're right. And then it gave me the, the, the post again with the real facts and I was like, 27:14 did you just say that because I told you was wrong or did it was I actually right about that? I think it was no, you were right about that. I was like and trust. This is all interesting, you know, interesting. So copeg is here and they are producing inside that factory. These things have like a six day life span, so they don't live very long yeah, but every week they're producing around twenty million screw worms and then they're radiating them and four days a week. They take a flight 27:44 with a little over two million of them and they have a rigged plane. So this is them loading up flying the cockpit and then one of the things is actually opens and all of a sudden there's just freaking fly and ever flying all over. Gosh, Rick, that would be such a nightmare. And so what they do is they take a flight. There's a tech who mans the bomb bay doors and then there's the pilot and the tech opens up the doors and they fly over the ism of Panama and it's quite literally a wall. They just 28:13 they spend four hours flying back and forth, just slowly dropping these like rhythmically yeah to make sure that they really do create a wall of these worms to stop them from being able to mate past that line and then what they do with what's left over is they kind of have like a strategic reserve. Were they getting money for this 28:36 the United States, the USDA is paying for this. Wow! Well, I mean I should say flights a week. I shouldn't say just the USDA. It's like this whole North American consortium of nations. It's like we don't want this in our country sure and so so yes, what you're saying is we're paying for it. They to keep the flies out 29:00 build the wall pretty much. It's a worm wall, a worm, a worm wall, and so they're dropping a little over two million of these flies every couple over Panama every every couple days, and he's the grove next to the wall next to that area, the plane coming. Oh yeah, you come. They come to drop all the flies. The Atlantic has an article for this and I'm going to pull this real quick. I didn't pull this to 29:28 originally, but I am going to they did like a like a rendering of this for the article and I think it it's beautiful. Honestly, this is the Atlantic's rendering of what that would look like. Yeah, I mean that's a little bit more organized than it probably is, but they yeah. I don't think they're trained to fly in formation like well. What's interesting is because they because they basically freeze them, and so when they hit the air 29:56 they thought and then they wake up, so they're they're knocked out halfway through that flight and then they wake up and I'm sure they lose their minds and they like start flying really crazy. So if you were, if you were watching that you'd see him about halfway just falling and then all of a sudden they wake up and they start probably being pretty erratic on the way down. I have videos of this. I haven't seen any videos like of it cool happening maybe, but I didn't come across any and so 30:23 But here's the thing they're producing twenty million a week. They're only dropping eight to ten million a week and they don't live long. And so the question is what what are they doing with the other twenty million? Well, a portion of that goes back into the breeding to keep the population alive, right there, sterile population alive and then a portion of them they freeze and they put away for a rainy day because sometimes these outbreaks happen. So the Florida Keys 30:52 in the early 2000s had an outbreak of screwworms because there are some nations in the Caribbean and then South America especially is not part of this. They're still there. And so there are occasions where things get shipped from South America or they somehow make the jump from Cuba to the Keys and there's an outburst, what's the word I'm looking for? Outbreak? 31:20 of the screw worms and so they have to do something about it and so then they wake up their frozen soldiers. They're still frozen soldiers, come on and then they fly over. They drop the worms in that you think you figured out how to unfreeze Walt Disney's brain yet that's not actually there. You don't think so that's not actually there right. I sign court in the conditions 31:48 That's not actually well, I was interested because they're they're doing a new animatronic in Disneyland. Yeah, we're mr You know, mr. Lincoln is you have like an afternoon or get an encounter with mr Lincoln. Yeah, it's an animatronic of Abe Lincoln and all that stuff they're putting in a showing of an animatronic of waltz or waltz of Walt. Yeah, and 32:12 I don't think so many amatronic. I think it's gonna be in. I think they're bringing him back. You think they're putting his brain in a robot, the coolest comeback of twenty twenty five. If Disney was like hey, by the way, here's Disney, that would be pretty cool. I think we'll be alive when it happens. I doubt that's real, but then I mean, I guess there's a chance. I guess anything's possible. 32:37 but I don't that's. This is your little unbelief thing happening now. Is it as your little? Oh okay. Oh, you know what you're right sure you're right to be skeptical about the. I should do some source criticism. Why would they? Why would they do that? Why would they be like 32:51 oh the founder of our company dies episodes going swimmingly. Let's cut his head off and freeze it and bury it. Why? Who does that? Who says my boss just died? I'm going to cut his head off and freeze it and bury him. People whose boss told him to do that before we die. Dude, yeah, who's boss was like I'm going to create a village where people never have to leave all right and like honestly we're never going to let him leave and then when he dies like oh shoot. I guess we'll turn this in one of the other parks and call it Epcot, but the original idea 33:21 was pretty freaking terrifying. Yeah, maybe episode about that too. It's linked somewhere Alex, write it down. 33:31 Hey, you know what? 33:37 show sucks. You don't seem so stressed right now. I say the energy to the thing. This isn't a sponsored segment, but I tried yesterday. This is not sponsored. I hope not, but I hope that whatever you're about to say didn't was like hey bring this up after a controversial Disney bit. 34:00 Have you ever heard of odd job hats? 34:12 Oh, should I drink? What do you do to Celsius? You can't do to Celsius. That's gonna get a cups good for the day. Are you good? Oh, thinking about that's gonna give me the hiccups. Are you good? Can we proceed? I think so. Okay, so I dang it. No, I 34:38 No. Okay. So here's the thing. I yesterday I bought an ad I fell for an ad and it was the rise app. Have you ever heard of this? Does it help you wake up in the morning? Kind of. It's a sleep app. It is a sleep app but it's I don't think it's I mean I guess that's part of it. The concept is like you take a quiz and then you connect your Apple health data and it takes both of those to like deduce your peak melatonin production. 35:08 during that peak production, you'll sleep through the night and you're going to wake up at the time that you need to wake up or that like your time is your bed time is so mine said between ten forty eight and eleven fifteen. That was the window and says everyone's somewhere between a thirty minute and hour long window where you're at the peak production. If you go to sleep during that, then you're going to have the best of ever and I it I'll be honest could be placebo, but first night 35:37 Honestly, one of the best sleeps I've had in like months. And I did. I, it said, it said, wake up at six a.m. Is what it told me. It said, go to bed here, wake up here. And I actually woke up five 59 on my own before my alarm woke up. And I went on. So I actually, and I didn't wake up at all through the night and I feel great. I have noticed that, that you can, your body has like an internal alarm clock. Yeah. Your circadian rhythm. And while I'm saying like, if you set an alarm for six 30, your body, 36:06 well at six twenty five wake up yeah yeah your body knows it's really hard to do a podcast with the hiccups. I'm getting really frustrated over here, but I'm doing my best to stop pick up just stop just stop it. I was even thinking like okay. I'm going to try to intentionally hiccup into the microphone that'll make it not happen and then it happened so that sucks. Here we go. I'm going to really yeah Alex. You can just edit it out and it out his hiccups sensor on bleep him every time he hiccups 36:35 But anyways, what I'm saying is you should try it. It's pretty cool and it also tells you where your energy is throughout the day. So based on like your sleep, it's like here's your peak energy time. So it's like do all your important tasks because your energy is not going to be the highest right there. It's pretty cool. It's a good app. Anyways, we're not sponsored and if we were, we probably want to talk about a while. Jared has the hiccups. I'm trying so hard to get rid of them. Yeah, I can tell you are anyways, just keep hiccuping over there. I'll talk about Copac a little more. So they had this outbreak. 37:03 in the fort keys in the early two thousands you're falling apart. I'm trying so hard not to hiccup and it's real. It's really taking me off a hold your breath, hold your breath, pause, let me walk. Oh my gosh 37:24 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple years ago now have updates or that the person the top was about passed away or was caught by the police or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done. We want to let you know about it so that our episodes just aren't 37:52 you know out there out of date. It's really fun way to keep learning new information and then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes and it's just a way to help us keep spreading the show. Join that email list. You can text till into six six eight six six or there's a link in the description of this episode or you can just go to till and dot com. It's very easy to join this email list. It's everywhere. It's actually really hard to not join it so 38:25 So in the early 2000s, they popped back up in the Florida Keys. Right. And they took that extra surplus that they had and flew over and dropped them and re-eradicated them. And this happens every so often where throughout Central America, North America, the Caribbean, where there will be these little outbreaks and they'll fly over, re-eradicate them to keep the screwworms out of our lives. Okay. But this isn't. 38:51 the worm wall by itself isn't quite enough. You need the ground game. I mentioned that earlier. So there's actually a group of people in Panama that work for Copac that travel around that area in Panama, the isthmus of Panama, and they will traps. Well, what they do is they travel around by horse, boat and motorcycle, and they go from farm to farm. And depending on your risk area, 39:18 you're like risk rating. They come either every month, every four months or once a year and they swing in and they expect inspect your farm, inspect all your animals and if you have any animals with wounds, they had this like special paint that they paint on the wound and that paint will kill the screw arms and so okay. This is kind of like their extra layer defense to make sure like if the wall from the sky isn't working, we're gonna right. We're gonna do this if the firmament 39:48 isn't working that we're going to do this extra thing to dome the dome. Yeah, the iron dome, the yeah, if that's not working, then we will eradicate him this way. So at the end of the day, the USDA spends fifteen million dollars a year on this project. That's you and I, we pay for that. Yeah, we pay tax dollars with their what our tax dollars, our tax dollars dropping bombs basically of worms every single week. 40:16 somewhere in the ballpark of eight to fifteen million worms in panama every single week. Don't look at it like that. 40:29 you're going to give it back to to make the worms mate, so that way the worms can't kill our cows, but they estimate that today the saves the United States one point three billion dollars a year for sure. So the fifteen million is totally worth right 40:54 And it also makes that's the problem. Yeah, a lot of people who are like I want my tax dollars to go to this stuff. It's like you're not understanding what it would cost for us not to have this in place. Yeah, there's certain things where it's like yeah, the cost is it does it. Yeah, it's like oh yeah, fifteen million easy. I would pay that every day if it means I'm saving one point three billion and I say that as if I pay extra money for first class because I don't want to sit next to the poor. I'm saying the experience of sitting next to a poor person. Yeah, 41:24 is costs me more yeah than the money that you know saying yeah yeah it's it's kind of like a texas roadhouse. I pay extra for the loaded baked potato because I don't want the experience of eating a baked potato with nothing in it and I pay extra to not sit next to someone who goes to Texas 41:46 Do you know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean by that there is never mind, never mind, never mind. Are you poor? Stay away from me. Yeah, so that is the great, the great North American worm wall. It protects us from what's honestly kind of the nastiest worm I've ever heard of. 42:10 because this really this could burrow into you if stop don't if why are you fear mongering in here? This could get you this can get you. You know when your kid scrapes their knee, this could get them. This could get your kid, but we give the USDA fifteen million dollars a year in our tax revenues to make sure that that can't happen. So next time you see an I R S million dollars here next time you see an I R S employee, thank them for killing the screw worms. Thanks for killing those worms. 42:41 can you imagine? Thanks for killing the worms. Can you imagine getting audited? I hope that your house. I hope that this comes up in the next presidential debate. Hey, there's I don't really have a question. I just really want to say thank you for your service in killing the worms, killing the worms. Excuse me. I thought that's what the wall was. That's what you were doing the wall, right? The worm wall, 43:11 Yeah, so it's not a physical wall of worms. It's kind of like a metaphysical wall of worms, but it is physical at the same time. You know what I'm saying? Worms. I think it would be sweet if we did make a lot of worms, but that's not what we're doing. Because imagine. 43:28 When do they freeze them pretty quickly, so like they they they pubate. So what's actually kind of nasty is in this facility here. They kind of have their breeding ground and then the worms will what they they put the eggs and some meat, so they get like and stuff and they put them in there. They grow and then they pubate and throughout the facility they have to set the temperature at different temperatures. So like in that room it's a hundred and two degrees to simulate the temperature of a body that they've infected 43:57 and then just just meet sitting in a hundred and two yeah yeah. Apparently it smells really bad in there. Oh you don't say and then they go like and then they move them to a new room where then they radiate them and so it's like the radiation chamber. Imagine I mean to these flies. This is their alien encounter yeah. You know I put in some weird room with a bright light and the next thing I know I was falling asleep and then I woke up. I was falling in the sky 44:26 Yeah, that's exactly what happened. It is a crazy day for them for sure. I was trying to pubate. Do I just try to pubate next thing? I don't fall in from an airplane half frozen. I wish we saw an intro so we could have us saying just trying to pubate, you know, pubate, just throw it in the beginning. No context. So yeah, so that's the great American worm wall is they think the IRS next time you see him. Thanks for the kill in the worms. It's a very important thing, a little funny. 44:55 Thank you for killing the worms. You know, instead of thank you for being a friend. Yeah, that's a great, say it again. Thank you for killing the worms. Cool, good point to fiddle off, fiddle it off. 45:12 Hey, thanks for checking out that episode of Things I Learned Last Night. And speaking of governments versus wildlife, we have an episode about the Great Emu War. Again, one of my favorite episodes. The Australian government was trying to defeat an infestation of emus. Turns out emus are pretty smart and outsmarted military maneuvers. Pretty wild stuff. So if you can't wait for another episode, go watch some old ones. Or you can watch next week's episode right now by joining us on Patreon. 45:39 You get next week's episode right now ad free. That's audio and video, whichever way you want to watch that or consume that media, whatever that is. 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There’s a quiet battle happening right now, and it’s about protecting our animals and lands. This fight is against a dangerous pest known as the screwworm. It’s not your everyday worm. These creatures can cause a lot of harm, especially to livestock. Thankfully, there’s a new way to fight back—using the Great Worm Wall! What Are Screw Worms? Screwworms are … Read More

What’s Hidden in the Grand Canyon’s Forbidden Cave? | G.E. Kincaid Ep 242

09-24-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 the Smithsonian absolutely covered up aliens and giants in the Grand Canyon. Yeah, there was a guy named G E Kincade. He in 1909 went down in the Grand Canyon, found a man made cave with evidence of the Egyptians, the Tibetans, Giants and probably aliens all down inside that cave. It's every aliens. It's always aliens. Okay, 00:20 this is things I learned last night. Every week we learn about an interesting topic and this week's episode is no different. We're going to learn about some stuff. It's going to be fun this weekend this weekend. I am in Houston, Texas. I would love to see you there next weekend. I don't know sometime October fourth in Barosville, Oklahoma, October eleventh and Tempe, Arizona, close to the Grand Canyon. Oh, not anywhere. Maybe you could go and then all the rest of October is the smoking hot life tour with Shamar, Marima, so 00:50 yeah. I'm going. I got all those on my on my website. You go to jaron Myers, dot com slash shows. Would love to see you there, whatever dude. Let's get to the episode 01:08 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of ge can kade? 01:17 say it slower G, E, can Cade. No, no idea who this is okay, so this is G, E, can Cade was a mouthful goodness G, E, can Cade. Yeah, here's a picture of him. Let's see if you can guess what he was by this picture. That's a military person. Okay, he's a he's a pilot. He's a pilot. 01:46 interesting to pass where hats like that. I don't it's such a grainy picture. Dude, you're showing me the driver's license photo from nineteen forty two. Yeah, it is an old picture. What does this guy do? I don't know. Is a clown 02:01 a sailor that's a good guess in like consideration. I don't know what he did before this. Honestly, I know I know what he did during this episode. Okay, he I think he was like an amateur archaeologist is probably a good thing to call him. Okay, did it as a hobby? You know is kin, Kade, the last name or is it kin, Kade, Kin, Kade is the last name, Kin, Kade, Kin, Kade, first name, G, 02:30 general electric, g g e can kade. He he was like an amateur archaeologist. Thank you and amateur archaeologist and he was very interested in the Grand Canyon and he was like he's like. I wonder what we got in the Grand Canyon. You know, have you ever thought that we ever thought what's down there and he was always pretty. I thought it is always pretty known what it beginning. I what was down there was down there 02:59 wouldn't you like to know? Oh my gosh, so in 1903, there was a president of the United States. Who was it? It was 03:19 James Buchanan close Theodore Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt went to the Grand Canyon in 1903 and he was like. This is a cool place yeah, which he's right. It is a cool place and he said we should make sure we've been yes we have yeah. He said we should make sure it was like he was like this should be a national park and the McDonald's here should be cheaper. He said he said we should make sure no one messes it up yeah, and so he was like let's make 03:48 part of it open to the public and let's ban the public from the rest of it. Let's make it to where it stays not bad and so he's going through the process of putting together this bill and ge can Kate hears about this and he says my archaeology. I got to make it bad before before I'm not allowed to anymore. He says he says I got to do. I got to go be bad in the national park at the national park. 04:15 I'm being bad in the great a national park. I'm trying to be bad at the great Canyon. Yeah, so he we have all national parks merch that you can buy on our store that is being bad at you, Simiti, being bad the great can for you to wear on your fame with trip. Oh, just being bad, 04:44 That's great. Can we do like just like the not good national parks? Oh sure, like the national parks that no one tries to go to. I don't I can't think of those yeah. I mean surely those so yeah, so is so cool. Yes, cool people go to so quite well. It's surely there's a park where it's like oh no, the national park, worst national parks, bottom five national parks. Yeah, here we go. Yeah, there we go. Okay, the worst national parks, so our city 05:12 here's here's good. This is kind of like you know what you did. This is honestly this list is list is kind of like like those remember those posters used to get at Christian bookstores. That was like here's a secular band and here's your Christian band to replace it with. That's this list. Oh really yeah, so what are the bad national parks? So this one is 05:42 in northeast Ohio. The picture for it is just a train. That sounds awesome. The three pros are the train, the bike path and there's, I guess waterfalls, so that's interesting. They don't seem to be listing cons, but they say instead of going here, you should go to the bad lands very different. Yeah, 06:10 apparently the arch the st. Louis arches, the national park and it's not it says gateway arch national park. So I mean that's the worst one. That is, I mean, I mean the gateway going up in it is a cool thing to do once, but looking at it from anywhere in St. Louis is just as good. That's also true. 06:39 it's also not. It's not you know it's not you guys know that st. Louis arch isn't natural right. You guys know God didn't make that. You know there's like a it's not like it's not real. People don't believe it, but it's like a legend like a wives tale in in st. Louis that the arch is like a weather machine and it prevents storms from hitting st. Louis. 07:06 because it happens fairly regularly where a big storms coming through St Louis and it like literally like wraps around downtown. The storm will break up and wrap around. So everyone says it's the arch is the people say that the arch like the shape of it. The wind hits it and gets curved out and doesn't understand how we oh yeah, he hits the we just got to make a giant croquet things and then we'll be good to go. Yeah, everyone's like I don't know. I live in St. Louis, the same people who think windmills cause cancer dude 07:36 Yeah, most of these honestly like yeah, so the I heard the worst one yeah easily. The worst one you can go be bad at the gateway. I haven't heard of any of these. That's pretty normal though be bad at the gateway arch pretty sick. Yeah, a lot of these are pretty normal, so the worst parks ranked gateway arts is actually number one, then Congaree, Cuyahoga, Indiana Dunes, Isle Royal, 08:02 hot springs, mammoth cave, Shenadona springs aren't bad wind cave, man, yeah, so those are those are the worst. According to them, they're best that you should replace these with our Yosemite, Akadia, Zion, Olympic, Rocky Mountain, Lassen, just the best one channel island, Sequoia. Oh yeah, don't like a way arch go to Yosemite. Yeah dude, I live in Missouri, yeah, duh. Oh yeah, sorry, I'll just go to Yosemite. The worst thing about this, so they have like a graphic. 08:32 and so they've got it's. It says the thing it's got a picture of it, the park and then it says the problems with it listed underneath the bullet points everybody packed. No, it's it's the worst. So gateway arch number one worst park. The three bad things are urban scenery, no wildlife, limited activities. Here's the thing. There is wildlife at gateway national park and it is straight cats. Oh wait yeah yeah lots of straight cats. Oh shoot 08:57 I'll tell you what's in Yosemite. What wildlife is out there yeah, none zil yeah. I expected to see way more wildlife yeah yeah. That's fair, that's fair. Where were they? Were the animals yeah away from where the people are. I want to be away from where the people are. That's the song okay realistic. 09:21 so can I have been her fish side singing the whole movie she's got the she's conflicted with her human on her shoulder and her fish side and her fish side. We got to get away from these people blub blub blub blub blub right. I mean that is what the movie is though. She's got flounder who's like a fish and I guess I guess it is she got Sebastian is like you should kiss that boy and crab really the crab is like. I want to watch you all 09:48 You should kiss that cop. Kiss the cop! 09:55 yeah. That's a weird movie. Now that you, if you think about it, if you really, really start to really, you start to make it weird in your head. You make it weird. Okay, anyway, so GK says okay. Hey look, Roosevelt, I'm gonna there's gonna start being rules. Yeah, Roosevelt's trying to take away the great Canyon from me, so I need to get there before he can do it sure, and so he he finds a an act 10:24 an archaeologist like a real archaeologist that goes by the name of mole hat, and because that's his last name. This is mohatt and he doesn't have any real pictures taken of him. Just this dry one that looks like a dollar yeah yeah he's he's he's got a beard that's very big beard, but it's not like it's a go t yeah it's a go t yeah is david crowder in two thousand eight yeah that's actually pretty accurate yeah well out the hair without the hair yeah. I was going to say the same thing 10:49 and he's wearing a we know christian is wearing a suit. You know we should be this is a christian podcast, so they they get a boat Celsius energy thinking about and they say let's go down the colorado river and let's go through the grand canyon and let's be bad. See if we can find some archaeology and so they do just that they're running through their rowing, their their boating 11:19 and then floating. They're on a float trip. They've got little floaties. They're cooler of beers. Yeah, yeah, course like because it's curse. I don't know if curse was around then she occurs. Yeah, that's how you say it. Um curse. Okay, can I have my curves? I'm hers so so they're riding. They're riding in the boat and they get about forty two miles down the river, middle of the canyon and they notice a rock formation that has stains on it about two thousand feet up 11:49 the riverbed. We're out. And so they parked their boats, they hike up the rock face and they get to this opening. there's stairs underneath the brush. 12:16 and there they look old. They're like stone stairs going up the at the Grand Canyon to this opening okay, and so they get to this opening and it's. They describe it as being like big enough for like a handful of people to walk side by side in this opening. It's like a it's a decent size like a atrium. If you will cave atrium entry way and they they walk in a lobby yeah lobby yeah no receptionist 12:45 mother was one, but she's dead. She died long time ago, or he could have could have yeah. We don't know when yeah that was that's on me. Well, we knew it was the nineteen hundreds. Well, we don't know. This is the nineteen hundreds when they found this spot, but they don't true yeah. So so they walk in the cave. They're exploring the cave yeah and based on their account, they end up going down this long main passageway and they're moving down the passageway and then there starts being rooms breaking off the passageway small 13:15 rooms, probably about as big as this room and there's a window and like a little kitchenette and like a table in the middle in a cushion. Now they're walking down the passageway and there's just these little rooms like little, a little carved out rooms carved out of the rock yeah and they figured they're probably about fourteen hundred feet below the surface and the canyons. So they're like right like smack in the middle of the canyon and as they're going through, they start to find like 13:45 artifacts in the rooms in the rims. Yes, there's like bowls and in little figurines and things like that, and what's interesting is these artifacts are like Egyptian, so they look like little Egyptian pharaohs and things like that and as they move in further, they start to find inscriptions on the wall on walls in the hallways and in the rooms of like a gypsy, how many rooms are we talking about? 14:15 you know? I don't know if we know how many rooms there are he's I think you keep saying like they're walking further and further into this hallway yeah yeah well. I mean I can't be that many. I don't know because because once they get a hundred feet in they get into a room that they call the cross hall and so it's like across the hallway in inside of it at the end like the head of the cross 14:45 hallway. There's a big statue of like an idol and they said it actually resembles buddha, but it's not buddha, but they said it resembles buddha and it's interesting that throughout they're saying this. We don't have pictures of this. Yeah, this is before our cell phone cameras or and the cameras you had to are the cameras that you got under you like, you know, the blankets, the camera blankets you put you stick your head under yeah, yeah, and so you put your head on and you take the they didn't have that and so they go through 15:15 And what's interesting about this end of this is the almost like the beginning was like a lot of Egyptian stuff. And now they're saying it's like Tibetan in this back half. And so, but it's not, it's not, I think it's important to say too, they were saying it resembles. So this resembled Tibetan stuff, this resembled Buddha, this resembled Egyptian stuff, but it wasn't like clearly Egyptian stuff. You know what I'm saying? 15:44 And so they go through, they find a crypt and there they find like actual like tombs and there was bodies in there. There was mummies in there. And then let's see, they found no bones of animals, but they have found like skins from animals, no actual clothing, but like skins and stuff like that. And so they theorize from walking around in there that there was a 16:12 multiple, multiple rooms of different varying sizes and through that they think that there was a possibility. They don't know for sure, but they think there was a possibility that this cave system could have housed upwards of fifty thousand people on the high end. This is a fairly large system of caves with rooms and common areas, spaces. I don't know. I don't think they gave us this point of okay, like how many rooms there were, but so fifty thousand people yeah, so it had to be 16:41 pretty huge. I think right. 16:49 If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, a great way to help out is by becoming a patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our hosts and producers. 17:01 We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks, but more than anything, you just help make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us. And so like we can keep doing it long after we die, but that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. 17:33 And so they go home and they put it. They reach out to a local paper in Arizona that picks it up called the Arizona Gazette and they publish this. This is in 1909. They publish this paper. I want to also highlight in the middle here, his headline Jordan is enthused. Who's Jordan? I don't know, but he's enthused about this and it's this article that outlines their experience that as largely just quotes from these two 18:03 about what they saw in okay here. So this becomes fairly large news in the area right and allegedly pretty quickly after this, the Smithsonian steps in and says no find any of that. Yeah, they're like you didn't see anything you actually what you saw is you were never born so 18:31 The Smithsonian comes in and is like, oh, that's not true. There's no cave and none of that stuff is real. It doesn't exist. And they like hush it. Allegedly, after this, pretty, pretty quickly after this, they do shut down this side of the canyon, you can't go, you can't visit this side of the Grand Canyon anymore. And as the story goes, the Smithsonian did go out there and they did start a dig out there, but no one's allowed there unless you're like actually a Smithsonian person. Yeah. 19:00 and I am not so near by the way to my blood Smithsonian heritage yeah okay good, and so what the story it's in the last name. Is that why why is it Smithsonian? What's the Smithsonian named after? What is the Smithsonian named after James Smithson? Actually great. I'm going to change my last name. Yeah, it was a British scientist who left his estate to the US 19:30 and they were like cool. We're going to call it Smithsonian. Was did he live in Washington DC? I don't think so. I don't know. Let's do an episode about Smithsonian. Yeah, if it's interesting, so we stopped you before though, so the smith we're halfway into this, so the story line is that the Smithsonian picked it up and say oh, we can't let people know that 19:57 maybe the Egyptians or the Tibetans were in the Grand Canyon with a civilization there at some point in history when right they didn't cross the ocean, and so that's the story line here. Sure. What's interesting is a couple things. One, there's a legend from the Hopi tribe. This is actually this. This legend is mirrored in a handful of native tribes, but the hope he has like a pie, the most concrete in relation to the Grand Canyon. 20:24 Okay, and so their legend basically says that like their creation myth is that humanity lived in the earth and they came up out of the earth and that's where we came from. And the story line is they came up out of the grand king and that was where we came from. And so we were like kind of like mole people and then we came to the earth and then we grew normal eyes. I just 20:49 Yeah, I mean I most have weird eyes right yep. They're blind right. Are they blind or moles blind our moles blind? I think moles are blind Alex. I know they're blind folded moles are not blind, but there is a blind mole. You're thinking of bats, but it's not blind okay 21:19 you know that's why they were just putting holes in your yard because they like I can't see dig for enough and they go oh air, maybe interesting. So yeah, so the the the hopi legend is that we rose up out of the Grand Canyon. We were the mole people living inside caves and then we came up out of the Grand Canyon at some point for some reason. They also think that we were lizards and then we were lizard people and then we transformed into human people. Yeah, yeah, 21:49 and that and then we learned how corn worked and so then we can horn yeah, yeah and then we came to earth to make corn. I mean we came to the top side to make core because you can't make corn in caves. I guess so cave corn cave corn so obviously some people have gotten very excited about this because it's like alternative history. You know and that gets people pumped all kinds of pumped up 22:17 and so they fused, if you will, Jordan is enthused. So this this became like a conspiracy theorist thing and there's a group of people that are trying to find this spot. They think that this was a cover up. Yeah, they think that the Smithsonian covered up the fact that Egypt was here first that Egypt, that the Nile River was never actually the Nile River. The Mississippi was the Nile and the Bass Pro pair shop was there before 22:47 stop. Okay, what do they actually believe that this is the Nile they're talking about? I think that why I don't you were just joking. I was joking. I was joking about the pair of I was talking about the pyramid, but I have heard people say that the Mississippi was the Nile and then they moved. That's the most American centric rereading of history 23:08 Oh no, that happened here. Yeah, we shipped was the Nile. I'll tell you what that sounds. You know they're talking about a river. I've seen one and I bet it was that one. I bet it was the only one I've seen yeah and then they moved to the denial and then they named it the Nile because they because just same thing we did when we are. I guess we should say they same thing the British did when they came to US and they were like. This is just New York 23:37 they didn't call it that it was okay, a new Amsterdam yeah and then someone was like Amsterdam's weird. That's too long, too many syllables, many words like now make it shorter. Can I sure say I love it? It's supposed to be anonymous, so narcotics anonymous yeah. Oh, I didn't. I've never you don't know because you're in you're in gambling. I mean 24:08 How do you think couples who met in a? How do you think that they like tell people there? They say we met in a bar. They go we met on Tinder. I actually can't tell you where we met. I'm not allowed to tell you that okay. That's what I'm saying for now. I can't tell you where we met. It's not it's not appropriate. Yeah, you can send an NDA and I can tell you just keep them on me. 24:37 pull it out my pocket, unfold it. It's like a folded up and it's big. It's like thirty pages. It's right unfold that cheese ban 24:48 So there's this group of people who've been looking for it. 24:55 I hate you so good. So this group of people that have been looking for this cave, trying to find King Kade's cave and there's a one specific couple who says that they've located it and what they claim is that they found it with a drone. They flew over it with a drone. They found the opening. They said it matches the location like the general area they were talking about, but what's interesting is they said when they flew the drone over there, it was like hit with an EMP. Yeah, 25:25 yeah and it crashed and they lost. They lost it. Oh yeah, we don't have picture proof of it. You got to trust my eyes and they so then they said that they went to go. How much of the rain can is closed like? Where is the public allowed to go versus where we tried to go that one time and we were driving in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, it's an it's an interesting thing. I think that here's the thing about the grand Canyon being closed. I think technically speaking like you could get anywhere in the Grand Canyon, okay, but like there's areas where it's like there's trails, you know, and like that's where they want you to go. 25:54 but like if you went off the beaten path, like theoretically, you could go anywhere. I don't think there's fence. It can't stop you. Yeah, but they won't save you. I think that's, I think that's the bigger thing is like I cause I cause I while watching this, I saw a lot of people talking about like, like they closed it off because what they claim is that it's dangerous and the guys, the video I watched it 26:16 this, he was saying he's like, well, we they let us do dangerous stuff all the time. They let us eat food with microplastics in it. They let us drive cars. They don't care about if it's dangerous. They're clearly hiding something, but I think what he's missing is it's not the fact that is dangerous for you. They don't care if you get hurt. What they care about is that they have to go help you if you get hurt. And so we can't put our people at risk trying to save your stupid butt because they know a lot of people will do it. We'll try it if yeah, if they can 26:45 Todd. You remember Todd just jumping across the Grand Canyon? Oh yeah, he jumped from rim to rim. That was really stupid. Didn't make it. He will be remembered as an idiot as a dumb dumb. Now we put up a sign for him, put up his picture. Yeah, it's a this guy was dumb, this guy dumb, this guy dumb. So I think that's why areas are closed off. It's not as not like oh 27:15 this is dangerous for you. This is dangerous for us. We don't. We can't go get you if you're over in this area, but so I don't know how much of it is like that, but I do know there's kind of I think I think what it more is is that here's the area we're okay with you going. We don't really want you going. It's not like it's like oh we're blacklisting you from this area, but what these people claim is this husband and wife. They went to go track down their crashed drone and while they were searching for it, there was 27:45 apache helicopter that flew over and was like watching them through the their hike and like flying below the rim, which is interesting that it be an apache attack helicopter. No, I mean I suppose if they got close enough it could like rocket them. I guess if you don't know what an Apache helicopter looks like, you would just assume that every helicopter is probably an attack helicopter. You'd be like that's a military. That's an apache helicopter 28:12 I was like it does make sense that the the rescue team would be like all right. Let's follow him, but yeah, let's keep an eye on him. We'll be ready for when they fall. I told you Derek, you know, join Derek. Yeah, I told you Derek just casually dropped at a we're at my birthday party that you didn't go to that he got helicopter rescued and yeah, I know and he just said and he was like he's a gas at that time. I got flight rescued and we were like hold on 28:41 say that again, tell me more yeah. He was climbing on a thing, jumped down the other side and then it was one of the things like a playground. No yeah, like a public park. No, they were in a national park. He had climbed up this rock on the other side. There was a drop and he dropped down, not realizing that there wasn't a way up on this side. So he dropped down and it's easy to drop down. You can't get back up. Oh yeah, so now he's on this edge of this rock. There's nowhere for him to go and so and he was like he's like so my friends called for help 29:09 and then like fifteen minutes later, they just hear like no way that's for us, but then someone comes down from the helicopter like a basket yeah like the strap yeah and he's just like he's like okay, I'm coming to you and they have to like swing back and forth. Oh my gosh comes over and he goes he grabbed under my butt and scoop me up. Geez, so that's hilarious. That's what I'm saying and how much did that cost them free? No, that's what I'm saying. That's what my question was 29:35 No, that's why I'm no way in the national park dude. That's insane to me because an ambulance is like ten grand. That's what I thought. I thought it would be like okay. They hit you with a bill now yeah. We saved you from the side of this mountain. Good luck. That's bonkers that they just do that for free is free free helicopter ride, but also he got picked up in the helicopter and then they just flew away. So all of his friends on the ground like what the heck no way. Oh, like they got him 30:05 where's he going going? They didn't like with a bullhorn be like me to sad mile marker and say anything they just left and you're like. I guess we'll go find that helicopter. Bye don't go down that side of the mountain. We'll come and get the rest of you. It is freaking, but I would imagine that like you know they if this story is true, which is not, but if it were 30:30 yeah, they were like oh, we're looking for our drone. You know it's like all right. These helicopters like okay, let's follow them because they're going to die. Interesting, interesting, okay, yeah, so that's what these people claim similar, similar event except for it was an Apache helicopter and they wanted to kill them for being too close to their cave. They're cool, shoot missile. I mean, that's a thing in the Grand Canyon. I mean that probably would echo across the whole thing. People will probably hear that yeah. How far? How far did echoes go? 31:01 not further than the initial sound. 31:05 the initial sound would be louder than the echo right. I mean I guess well how far Alex? What do you think you're a sound person? 31:21 That's what I'm saying. That's fair. Because if you go, 31:28 interesting. It said oh, I think I misunderstood what this abbreviation was probably yeah that that makes sense. So no, don't tell us okay. All right, it's so yeah, it does kind of depend on how loud it is, how far it's going to travel, but because the velocity of sound and dry air is three hundred forty one meters a second, then 31:57 it'll reflect off something that's three hundred forty one meters away within a second or within two seconds, because it's got to travel that both times. So like I guess it it does depend how loud it is and how dry the air is to grand cane is pretty dry anyways. So they claim that they were looking for this thing and the Apache helicopter sure scared them out of it right now. Like out of it, that's why I don't have their drone footage. Yes, yeah, so the Apache helicopter scared them away and so 32:25 It's easy to come up with stuff when you're lying. Yeah, so the whole mythology of this is is that there was deep within the Grand Canyon, a civilization that existed. This is for years ago. I think this is a I. This is a I yeah probably okay. I mean yeah, this one isn't. I don't think this is real Grand Canyon. I was like a I to be so the myth is that there was a group of people that lived inside the Grand Canyon and then 32:54 something happened that forced them out of the grand canyon, so they said let's go to half of them said let's go to Egypt. Half of them said let's go to Tibet and then oh that's the theory yeah and then they built their stuff and then that's where they're all their culture kind of morphed slightly into what we know across the sea yeah of what we know of is Egypt and and Tibet and some of them though did go become hopi and hope the native tribe. 33:22 because that's where the myth came from, after they turned from lizard people to humans. 33:30 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. Want to let you know real quick. We have an email list and it's not like a hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. 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A bigger version of this is that this was the Egypt was a massive globe spanning civilization and this was one of their cities was in the Grand Canyon and or there was a calamity and then they built like this was like a bunker that they built to survive the calamity deep within the Grand Canyon sure and the Smithsonian obviously doesn't want us to do that because it doesn't work with their storyline. The problem is 34:59 we don't have any record of any of this. None of like I mean, I guess we have the eyewitness account and then but we don't have any pictures. The Smithsonian's flat out said no, that's not real. No one else has ever made it there and then a pretty important thing about the Arizona Gazette is it's a tabloid. None of the stories that ran in the Arizona Gazette were true stories. They were all just lies. Oh, and so there's all these people who believe this 35:28 as if this was like reality and this was like a history that's being covered up, but it's just not. It comes from a source that's not true. Sure, we're not even sure G E Kincaid was ever a real person. We know this Mulholland guy is, but the Smithsonian's come out to just be like no, this isn't true and what's interesting about this and I think this is this is an important thing to talk about. I think two things here that one one thing 35:56 And I said this recently on like a TikTok and I got some hate from it and from people in real life who... 36:07 okay. I was like I saw your tick talk like what I didn't like it and then like it. No, I just come up and they go they come and they go not interested. I don't like what you said in that video. Don't say that. Don't say that thing out loud again. You can say that was your video. Why I was talking about source criticism. I think oh sure sure sure sure sure sure sure especially nowadays. There's too many people 36:37 who will hear stuff and believe it or read stuff and believe it, because here's the thing here's. I was actually so I haven't thought of this. I saw a thing. It was a good graphic that it was talking about like a lot of the debates in our culture or like medical society or like you know debates that have made it out of the education stream into like the mainstream and like we're debating about things that we have no right to debate about. You know vaccine safety, those kind of things 37:05 is that the way the media's role has played in this is it would be like ninety nine scientists say this yes, but one scientist says the opposite and then when you have someone who says the opposite and then someone who says what the ninety nine say on air together, it makes it seem yes like the like the opinion is 50 yeah, but it's not it's ninety nine to one yes, yes and that's 37:30 The problem is that it's so much of our media stuff is in trying to be fair and balanced has created a gross imbalance. Yes, yes, it comes to important information, historical facts, medical information, those kind of things. Yeah, that is that's interesting. I've never heard that before. That's a really interesting perspective, yeah, because it does. It does. Like if you hear when you hear somebody say something, you go, that's just not true and you go well, some people think it is and you go some people are dumb. 37:59 Yeah, yeah, but you know, like you said, if you have two people arguing the point and I mean, I'm sure in that situation they're both like I'm married and then someone goes. I don't think you're married and you're like what do you talk? Yeah, I'm married and they go well. I mean it is a contested topic. It's people say though I have a wife. She's at home like some people 38:22 don't believe that yeah, you just have to respect that yeah. You have to be okay with the fact that some people don't go. That's true. What are you reading about? Well, I think I think that scenario, what it does, because if you bring a scientist in and they're the one scientist that exists that disagrees like they're probably well spoken and they can argue their point well, and so it makes it seem like that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's that's not just someone being like. I don't know yeah. It's someone been like it's the Terence Howard thing on a hundred program where he's like. I don't know man talking to it. 38:50 he's talking to a person who's dedicated his life to math yeah yeah and is like actually you and I are on equal playing fields and you're not you're not not not not even close yeah, but so that's an interesting point. What I think one of the tick I made was about was we see stuff like this article and if you read this article by itself and you look at it and you realize it's from a newspaper in 1909, that's right. You know about it, you read it and you 39:18 you're tempted to trust it. I think this happens a lot with Russian propaganda, a role that but what I was going to say is the CIA's website. They have the their foyo page where you can search stuff on foya and they have all these documents on there just because something's in there doesn't mean it's true like it and the CIA is not even claiming the stuff in there is true. They're just documents a 39:48 the vast majority of what's in that actually is from Ben Laden's computer and we just took all the files from his computer and so a lot of them are crazy things that been lot and believed right and we didn't go like they didn't go annotate and be like by the way, this is kind of crazy. They just put it in there and then it got foyad and now people are finding that stuff and thinking that it because it's on the CIA's FOIA reports that the CIA is like this stuff's real right and I think 40:16 people need to do, especially these people on the internet need to do a better job of just check the source a little bit. Well, be you seen. I said rush Russian propaganda. Have you seen what's actually happening where they will create websites? That's like with the Los Angeles Times, but they'll create like the Los Angeles Tribune. Yes, and they'll make a full website that looks like a real very safer. Yeah. When you start clicking links and going into back pages, it just it's like lorem ipsum. It's just it's just nothing actually makes sense, but they'll 40:45 post a story that's just slightly different from the truth or like war or whatever, but yeah, we'll share this stuff because they didn't go to the rest of the website to actually look at the source. Yes, but they go yeah. It's the L. A. Tribune. Yeah, we don't have that. We don't have a l a tribune. Yeah, yeah, bro, but it but you yeah. People are easily fooled by that stuff right, because it looks believable and it's the same thing with the article. This article looks believable. It makes you think oh yeah that 41:12 this actually happen. This is true. We've been doing this podcast for years. We haven't ever recorded in the same room. None of this is real yeah, and that's what I'm saying is that people need to for sure right yeah the well and yeah, no go ahead. Yeah 41:31 that's problem number one. I think we need to do a better job of criticizing the source and being like oh yeah, because we do this. The whole point of this is we read Wikipedia and we don't know what we're talking about and and and yeah podcasts. If you're not podcast probably should be like I don't. I should double check. I don't think this is the stand you should take. I don't think you should take that spot to be honest, because part of you know part of the way that we get away with 41:53 some information being incorrect as we go. It's a podcast, it's a podcast right, but then you can't be like podcasters should step up to the responsibility they have the that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. I what I'm saying is if you hear a podcaster say it, you shouldn't just believe it. Oh, that's what I'm saying. That's true and that that's a whole point of our show is like every podcaster does that and we are doing that too. It's a joke anyways. The other thing is this. The idea here is hyper diffusion. Have you heard of this? 42:23 Yeah. where cultures fuse together and they diffuse into a handful of other cultures. and see these points where cultures were, and then into a handful of cultures 42:50 were interspersed with each other. They were trading or they were in the same area. You could see their culture overlap and they start to like buy things from each other or adopt things from each other's cultures. That's a normal thing that actually happened. But then there's this like thing in pseudoscience right now of hyperdiffusion where we all came from one giant culture that was like this globe spanning society. You hear it be like the Atlanteans or whatever, like before the before the flood. 43:18 or before the ice age or whatever. We were this big globe span with a culture hyper advanced society and then there was some sort of event that broke this apart and it's problematic for a lot of reasons, but a couple of the big things I didn't realize this until recently while I was researching for this. We know that that's not true, not just because of our logic, a lot of evidence because of DNA, because we can follow the DNA line for all of us. 43:48 and you can trace it back and it doesn't go back to a single source. If if there was one, that's if you believe in DNA, you know, so actually 43:57 that's pretty contested. There are there are scientists who believe that that's yeah there's there's some side to that's not true. You see how dumb it gets so fast. Oh my gosh, our brains are applesauce dude, but yeah like if you look at the United States like you can see oh our DNA since all the US back to Adam and Eve, there's like a melting pot situation where you did it overlaps a lot of is born of Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ. Some scientists believe in ham taught me 44:26 But yeah, if you look at the US, you look at people who are born in the US and you follow their DNA, you can see that it does actually span the globe because there's such a melting pot in the US. But if you go back further in history, that doesn't happen. It's localized. People's DNA was not mixing. And so we know for a fact that there wasn't a globe spanning thing because the DNA would be mixed if you go back to the DNA record. And then we also have no archaeological evidence that that ever happened. And so those two things together we know is not true. 44:56 more problematic about it is this idea is literally literally came from Nazi Germany. They believed there was a super race and they're like we got to get back to the super race and then they did very bad things because of that and this like what holocaust literal holocaust and that was that was what I was saying to him. There's some people who are like it's contest. Oh my that's I see you're still there are people who 45:26 Yeah, who try to act like that's not, yeah. That's crazy. And what's concerning is over the last few years, I feel like the pseudoscience community has been gaining ground, if you will, and this hyperdiffusion thing is becoming something that a lot of people are interested in. And it is an interesting idea. It's interesting to think, oh, maybe there was Atlantis and it got crushed and, you know, like that is an interesting story. 45:53 we don't have evidence for that. We don't have evidence for that and it leads to problematic ideas. We know that that happened in Nazi Germany. We actually know what happened in a couple other cultures and it led to people doing awful things to people and you can see in these pseudo science communities, similar ideas starting to pop up with them thinking that they are descendants of this yes, quote unquote master race and it's dangerous right and so all of that to say 46:24 hyper diffusion is a dangerous idea. We have evidence that that didn't happen and we have evidence that this specific Grand Canyon thing. It was just a lie. It was an end a tabloid to sell papers and people were enthused. Jordan was enthused and yeah and then there's people in the pseudoscience and conspiracy can community that didn't do the same work to just check this source and see if it was legit before starting to peddle it yeah and it's dangerous. That's my soap box and that's that's 46:54 G, he can Kade whether he was real or not, whether D can Kade was real or not. I don't know, but what I do know is that the story that he found something in the Grand Canyon is most likely false. I saw that image with the stuff. This is a believable picture. If you look at it, tell the difference between that and reality. It does seem believable. That's the thing that's kind of frustrating to me, though, like 47:19 have you been to what's that called? Oh, that's going to bother a canyon. No, it's been together. No, it's it's in Cortez outside of Cortez, Colorado near the four corners. It's it's the their cave dwellings Mesa Verde, Mesa Verde. It's really cool. The it's a thing that looks similar to that, but it's like up the canyon yeah and they built a well yeah. It's really cool. 47:48 and it's like why can't we just be happy with how cool that is? Why do we have to come up with some fake story? Well, because they go like well, we have evidence of this, this so this is possible. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think that what's sad is what's sad is there's storylines that are real that are really cool that are worth being excited about, but there's like I don't know there's this want to be like. I know something that they're hiding from us and that okay, so I was going to say that's the draw is that 48:17 often conspiracy theorists are isolated lonely people from their families and having special info or you know, have like seeing behind the curtain, getting like you know, they don't have the wool pulled over their eyes, whatever it is, they believe that makes them that gives them something to feel special about is a is a real source of why some people fall into conspiracy theories. Same thing of like you know, 48:44 certain political groups or something that in that promises a involvement in something bigger than yourself. Yeah, as many of these people are not involved in their family, which would typically be the thing that is bigger than yourself. Yeah, and so because it's your weird uncle who's who's distant from your family is not part of the thing that's bigger than himself, so he has to look for other things, which then often leads to being a part of weird fringe conspiracies or that's also where weird 49:13 little side groups come from yeah. You know people who are furries or what do they call adult people who love little pony bronies bronies? You know just like you know yeah people who get and they on it pickle ball. You know people who get really to find far into yeah hobbies or their those things yeah. You know just some of them are way more dangerous than others. Yes, that's true. Do you think that there's a level of like 49:40 being in like weird fringe podcast that's like. Oh, I just watch these two friends who I don't even think are real friends and they might not even be in the same room and apparently it's not real and actually one of them hates the other one, but they'll never actually say that out loud because then it ruins the last ten years of investment they've made into this relationship and that's like well. I mean one of what we also are going to talk to 50:03 but anyway, is that bit over? Is that all there is? I support my patreon. I give him. I give him money each month and I'm in this discord and that's why you know who needs real life friends. I've got this yeah. You forget weirdos yeah yeah, so you want to join our discord, go off still in that comm slash paid to support that till it not com, I don't that com slash support. I don't know something like that. 50:32 Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you like it, you should check out Project Looking Glass. It's an episode we did a little while ago about another crazy, hard to believe conspiracy. It's pretty big and it's pretty wild and it's pretty nuts. And so we kind of talked about the whole story, broke it down. It's a fun episode. You should check it out. And if you want to see next week's episode, you can watch it right now on Patreon. Our Patreon supporters make this show possible. We appreciate them all so much. But we also give them a lot of great perks for the support, like seeing every episode a week early ad free. You get access to our Discord with our hosts and producers. We hang out every month on a video call on Discord. 51:02 to play games together. It's a blast. But if you don't want to do that, that's totally fine. You can subscribe right here on YouTube or whatever app that you're listening on. You can leave a comment, a review, like hit the bell icon, all those things that the YouTube is telling you to do because it really does help a lot. 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Have you ever wondered what secrets the Grand Canyon might hold? Beyond its breathtaking views and enormous cliffs are stories of hidden caves, ancient civilizations, and even mysterious cover-ups. One such tale is about G.E. Kincaid, an amateur archaeologist who claimed to have made an extraordinary discovery in 1909. Who Was G.E. Kincaid? G.E. Kincaid was fascinated by the Grand … Read More

The Most Dangerous Movie Ever Made | Roar Ep 241

09-17-24

Episode Transcription

00:00 What do you think the most dangerous movie ever made was Moana clothes animated live actually yeah? I go just say it's hard to animate something. It's scary. No, it was a movie called Roar. It's a movie where the cast and crew spent eleven years with live untrained lions, tigers, jaguars, elephants. I think there was even a giraffe or two in there. 00:26 dude, my life with three untrained cats is dangerous enough. Yeah, it's sketchy. This episode is is while I hate. This is things I learned last night. Every week we learn about something interesting and we joke around. It's a good time. We like it a lot. It this is September seventeenth seventeen. You're seeing this September twenty seventh. I am in Houston, Texas, so God 00:54 is Houston, God's, you God's Houston, God's country yeah in Texas. Okay, so Joel, if you see this come on out to the show and then on October fourth, I am in Bartlesville, Oklahoma, God's Oklahoma and then October eleventh. I'm in Tempe, Arizona, Satan's 01:21 tickets for all that stuff on our website. I would love to see you there. It's going to be a wild time. 01:30 Hey man. It was exciting. He's so blow flowing. I love to message William Hung. 01:43 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of roar roar roar romance on a rocket ship? Nope, popular musician in two thousand nine. Nope, not that one. What was romance on our ship songs? You know him because every girl you had a crush on loved romance on a rocket ship. I've never heard of them. Yeah, you have play their stuff. Let's get demonetized. I recognize him, but I don't think I've ever skin in balance is the first song that came up. Play it 02:18 never heard it in my life. You've heard that you listen to that I don't music. You listen that is not the music I listen to that scene kid music. I made fun of seeing kids. I listened to metal core. I punched scene kids and I've seen kids, but you had crush on scene girls. That's actually very accurate and that's what every metal core kid was. Every metal core kid made fun of seeing kids and had crushes on. Yeah. Well, you were trying to make fun of the scene kids so that the scene girls wouldn't think they were cool anymore. Yeah, that's pretty fair. Yeah, that's pretty fair. 02:47 it's pretty wild that even at the lower tiers of being bullied, you guys still bullied each other because real bullies both of you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's fair. Even the lower tiers you guys were like you guys are like just everybody, everybody has an economy fighting on a fly. Everybody has to put themselves in a pecking order wherever you can get and you guys are you guys are boarding group see just still duking it out. 03:13 boarding group sea of life yeah, but I got the emergency row, so I've got more later. If you're in bruce, you're not getting an emergency. I'm telling you that now, so no roar is a movie from nineteen eighty one. Okay, here's the movie poster for it, a ferocious comedy yeah, so this poster it says roar and big red letters and there's a old fashioned car and then some tigers and some lions and some giraffes 03:41 and a dude on a motorcycle. It looks like it looks like tards is not a dude on a motorcycle yeah up there. It is up there by the rar, so a little bit of backstory on this movie. It was produced by a couple by the name names of no well, Marshall and tippy hedron. No well was a big time movie agent, so his agents. He was an agent for a lot of movie stars. He did get into producing. He's produced and co produced a couple movies, but wasn't like a big producer yet like he was just kind of getting 04:11 the tiptoeing around being a producer, tippy on the other hand, his wife, tippy was a pretty big time movie star. She was in to give you some of her, her bigger. Well, I should say she was in like eighty three movies. Oh, she was in a couple, alfred hitchcock movies. She was in the birds. She won a golden globe 04:39 she won a lifetime achievement award from Genesis and if you go through her Wikipedia, she has a long section of awards and achievements. Okay, so she's I mean a very noteworthy actress in Hollywood is the point I'm trying to make here. She was filming a movie in Africa and on one of the off days her and her husband were like let's go be tourists in Africa. So they went and they did safari. They do the safari 05:08 And while on the safari, they're kind of doing that thing, you know, that couples do sometimes with a dream and hope. 05:19 And they go, we should, we should own all of these animals. We should start a safari while they're on this safari and they're like, they're like, Hey, wouldn't it be fun to do a movie where there was, I don't know, a scientist who had a bunch of lions and he was living with the lions and he wanted to, to see what life could be like, like if we could find unity between the lions and humanity. And that was the dream that they had. And so the two of them, they go back to Los Angeles where they lived. 05:47 I don't know if I showed you a picture of them yet. This is them okay. This is her solo when she was early in her acting career right, but this is late set or early seventies at this point or maybe late sixties at this point, late sixties. They say okay, let's let's pursue this like, but let's give it some time because they were like well, this is going to be a tiff a difficult thing to film logistically right and so like we need to get 06:15 I think most people would say most people would say let's find some people who are professionals when it comes to lions and let's bring in some trainers and have a couple lines on set to film this and have trainers who like have trained lions, so like maybe circus lines or something like that, and they said no, let's get lions when they're infants. What's the race? What's the word cubs? Are they pups? Are you? Are you dumb right now? Are you dumb? Are you doing a bit? Are they cubs or lion cubs? 06:45 What is it? What is it lion? What's? What's the word? Are you joking right now? I mean, I probably know it. I just haven't. I just don't remember it. They're called kids. I do. They really call them kids. No, they don't. Yes, they do. No, they don't 07:01 Baby lion name. 07:05 it's a cub idiot. God, I hate you kid. See anyways, so they get they get a couple lion cubs. They move them into their home in Los Angeles. You suggested pups. I just want to know how stupid you are. They get a couple lion cubs. I here's the I said cubs first, but then that didn't feel right. Their cats cubs is what you call bears and sounds like no other cats. 07:33 Shut up, don't gaslight me like this. Ha ha ha. 07:39 gosh, I hate you called coming there. Oh look at its come mama bear mama, a bear, a bear, gummy bear, mama bear and bibethis mama bear, papa bear, gummy bear, so no, so they get a couple lion cubs as infants where they got them. I don't know as cubs as they're like. Let's raise them that 08:03 is I'm going to tell you that's my wife's logic. She's like no, she she literally was like can we get a raccoon? I said no, we can't get a raccoon. Yeah, absolutely. We can not get a rep with three cats. A baby when you get it, that's exactly what she said it loves, but you'll raise it and it'll be and I was like that thing will tear your eyes out. She also wants birds. Well, do you see that tick tock? Is that what that is? I'm sure my wife wants, so there's I told you about this a maca. Yeah, I think so. Okay, sounds from your maca is yeah. It's a parrot. 08:31 Yeah, the the what you think of when you think of a pair of red, blue, green, you know, white, white and black face, yeah, do you know how long they live? Have we talked about this? I think we have like seventy years, seven. I didn't know that that's insane. Why is it the same life? So we have a family member. One of my family is trying to rehome their their thirty year old maca because they are going more years on that thing. That's what I'm saying. They're getting too old and going to 09:00 probably go to a home yeah and they can't take their maca yeah, but they got thirty years ago yeah, so Reagan was like oh we should we should get that bird and I said we should absolutely not get that sounds bird. That sounds like a nightmare. I birds as old as I am yeah yeah she's like yeah. What will we name it? 09:17 I said you'd probably leave its name because it knows like if I got adopted by two new people who were like where your parents were going to change your name. No, you're not. I'm a grown man. You can't change my name. His name has been Tiki for thirty years. You can't change that change it. Yeah. I said also with three cats. She was still the birds bigger than the cast. I said that's why I can't come in this apartment, so that's but that's my wife's logic. My wife is like we could get baby cubs. Yeah, I bet she saw. I bet she saw the that tick talk with the 09:47 it is the mom who it really sad story. Her child passed away right afterwards. She met a raccoon. She was like yeah, she met a raccoon there. She met. She met a raccoon. She thinks it's her kid. 09:59 or the she's a mental break. She's been raising this raccoon as her own child. What what happened was there was a little school. She put shoes on it and she was like got shoes, the raccoon, let him go to school. It's a little baby raccoon is coming up to her kitchen window. Let me do this here. She was a raccoon. She was feeding feeding the raccoon fruit loops as a little baby raccoon. The raccoon came back with friends 10:26 and then the raccoon like moved into her backyard and she would feed it and it became like part of their family and lived the rest of it. I what in their backyard, they let them in claims that her grandparents had had pet raccoons. Yeah, not sure how much I believe that, but yeah, I mean they probably just had raccoons. They probably just had a cat that look at a raccoon. They probably just had a raccoon problem. That's like what you're saying is pets. 10:50 there. They would call it an in there was pasts yeah. They said past, but they had a list. They had a reverse list, so I couldn't pronounce as it's pet. It's our pet. They can't pronounce as is okay. 11:09 pest, pet, pet, pet, pet, pet, that it's our pet that a hard let in it hard to learn at sound out evolved into problematic areas so fast, so they get these cubs and they're like okay, get these come and they're like. Can we raise 11:36 can we raid them? We do that the whole episode that sucks dude, Tim Locker so mad right now. So they give me the client. We do professional work. We're professionals, yeah we are and our client has apparently started listening to podcast. I wish he would yeah. We keep telling the stop showing up to our trust. I feel like you guys are really dumb. We're like you for just just pay your invoice. We're like as we can do that sound 12:06 Shushing someone when you can't make out sounds is so hard. 12:17 DOOPIN 12:21 so roar so I hate it, so they get these blind cubs. At this point, they have a couple children. They're in this the suburbs of La sure and they're raising their children with these cubs and oh I've heard of these people yeah, and so they have a couple. They've seen a couple more the lions like just full on lions in their house yeah, so 12:49 it ends up getting to the point where they've got five full grown lions in their home. Someone probably a neighbor or something they never told anybody. You know they didn't tell their landlord landlords. You guys paying pet rent for those all right. Do you guys to well, they're not renters. Wait a minute there. She's a movie star. They're not renters. They've got like a nice home in like the hill. Oh, you got to be rich to have an own a home anyway. Yeah, I was saying was we should do a show TV show. All right, let's pitch this okay. 13:16 where we just go to hotels that have a pet policy yeah and we register that we have two cats and we just try to bring a live tiger. I tell her yeah, that's a great idea. I know wonderful. I think that's really funny yeah and then we don't put the do not disturb on and we put a tip on the on the bed and the tigers there right next to the tip. Now you're playing a game with housekeeping yeah, but there's a took that to an elite level 13:46 that was so different than what I was saying. What are you saying? I'm just seeing if we can get the tiger in the room to get away with a pet policy. You're saying let's subject someone who works minimum wage cleaning hotel rooms to a challenge for their tip. That's what you're saying you elite yeah, make good TV of crap. So they have these 14:12 they've got these five lines in their house and the Hollywood Hills. Someone goes hey, you can't have those yeah the water. A is their son's fifteen their son's fifteen at the time and he he starts pointing out some inaccuracies because they've been talking about this like this is going to be a movie. It's going to take place in Africa. There's going to be a scientist and he's going to have be living with the lions and he's like he's like I think we've got some issues here. I don't think that there's things that are scientifically accurate because they've got a couple lines, but they also have like a mountain line. They've got a tiger 14:38 and he's like, he's like, there's no tigers in Africa or mountain lines. Like this is an American mountain lion and they were like, don't worry about it. Like, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. 14:53 sells to the seven days right yeah. This is early seventies at this point. 15:00 in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time so 15:27 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I think we might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 15:44 So yeah, one of their neighbors tips off animal control and is like ham pretty sure they have live lions in their house in the Hollywood. It was like in their house. Who cares and so animal control comes. They knock on the door, they see the lions and they give them a twenty four hour remove the giant African apex predators from your house. Notice in the window, sunbathing was asked to go that that's a lion. That's a line. Yeah. So animal control literally is like you have twenty four hours to give the big cats out of your yes. Yeah 16:13 and they're like they're like you have twenty four hours to get the lions out of your house and he's like and they're like time a sovereign citizen. I know my rights according to article four and eight of the American Constitution, so they were like they're like okay. What are we going to do and this is? I think this is actually where do they live in L. A. Do you know? I don't know the Hollywood Hills. That's all I know. Okay, they 16:41 the here's the thing. Here's the thing about the what happened here. Okay, they were this is, I think, a testament to the times because they got a twenty four hour notice. They said you have twenty four hours to get rid of cat, these big cats and they were able to pull it off by buying property outside L. A and so they bought it is now well. Hold on. Let me see if I can figure out exactly 17:11 what the Santa Clarita? Oh, so they bought it. They bought it a little way else a little outside of town, the mountains yeah and and really outside Santa Clarita to it's like property like in like they've got an acreage out there, but they were able to pull that off in twenty four hours and get the lines out of there. They're also rich yeah, but I just think that's a sign of the times is like oh yeah in the seventy's you could go by property in twenty four hours yeah and I don't just yeah and then go drop your lines off there and then now they've got 17:41 acres in the car yeah. They've got a cabin and they've got acres of land outside of Santa Clarita and now they're like well, wait a second. Can we up the Annie a little bit like? Can we get some more and so they started going to like zoos and circuses and just places that have hey. Can we have your lions yeah pretty much and so they were just at the zoo. Yes, like we'll take them 18:09 this is like what we'd like your lions. Yeah, we like the lines that you guys have yeah. Hold on. Can you hold on? I don't think I understand. I don't think I understand what you're asking right now. I'd like to take your lions yeah and I'd like you to go in there and get your tip. Excuse me. What that's them being that's them looking down on a on a okay. I see what you're saying. I've left a hundred dollars for you in the center of the lion cage, so 18:39 over the course of the seventy over the course of the seventies from that moment until nineteen seventy nine. Now that they've got some property, they just started accumulating more big cats until nineteen seventy nine when they decided okay now we're ready to begin producing our movie. They got to the point where they now have you ready for this 18:58 I'm going to start on the I'm they got some other, some other animals too. So I'm going to start on one end of it. They had a Maribu stork, seven flamingos, two peacocks, four cranes, four Canadian geese, six black swans, two elephants, four leopards, two jaguars, ten cougars, nine black panthers, 19:28 a Tygon, which is a lion tiger put together that they like cross breeded twenty six tigers and seventy one lions just on their property rubbing around. They got they got cages and stuff. No, it's like an open that a free range lions and tigers and elephants. They've free range. Ah, okay, yeah, it's a they used to have three elephants. 19:58 So they start trying to cast this movie right. He's he's a bit of a producer. Oh no, no, no, we've built our own wild safari and we'd like to. This is what they're putting out at a rudimentary level. Yeah, our backyard is full of wild animals. Yes, no cages. Yes, why don't you come film here? So the concept that they put out is here's the here's the plot. Here's the basic plot line of what the movie is going to be. There's a scientist in Africa and he has been living in Africa on at this cabin with 20:26 all these lions and he's been training the lions and he's trying to develop like a theory where lining the lions. I should maybe say studying the lions that he's he's I mean I guess he is training them because he has this theory that lions and humans can live training your dogs together. I gosh that I'm every time I come to your house. I bring little treats and I train your dogs. He said this to me on the phone the other week and honestly is a pretty funny bit in Spanish and so that way 20:56 one day when I'm at your house, I can just I guess like Famanos and then your dog will come to me because your dogs don't pay attention to your all. I don't know if you know this. Your dogs are not very well behaved. They don't respect your commands at all. My goal is to convince you that I'm just their alpha and like they just respond to my commands. Yeah, yeah, that's honestly a hilarious bit to do to somebody to you 21:22 do it to somebody else. I was going to wait till I make your wife mad yeah. It hangs. It happens every time we hang out and yeah and then right at the peak of her just being like. What are you talking? I was going to be like I'm leaving by one of your dog to go to just jumps up and runs out the building with you. It's pretty good bit truck. It's a funny bit. I were annoyed by it. I am annoyed by it. 21:48 anyways, you're annoyed because you can't train your dogs. No, I'm annoyed because you think I can't train my dogs. I've been to your house. They just they're happy dogs. They're happy dogs up. Oh my gosh, so you have twenty four hours, so the the basic plot small one, the basic plot is vicious. Yeah, that's a shit. Sue thing. I'll never forget the way that Oakley treated my wife right. Yeah, 22:15 just disrespect. We that that was we trade that train. You train your dog when you open your back door muddy paws to run straight to your cream colored couch just so we're clear. Yeah, yeah, just jump over in your couch and then you guys were like you guys. You let me stay the night there one time and you're like you can just sleep on the couch. Oh can I covered in mud? This is disgusting. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I don't have to defend myself to you 22:43 so you should the scientist lived in Africa yeah, and I he was in Africa free year. He was with these these lines and I guess you could say training him. He's studying if he could create a relationship between humans and lions sure halfway through his stay in Africa. His family has to come out for some reason. This is the plot of the movie yeah, and so his family has to come out and then they have to then they're in Africa and with all these lines and then there's a twist and the lions all of a sudden. 23:13 have a problem with his family and they have to like survive with the lions and but build as a comedy. It sounds ferocious. It sounds like a horror honestly, but it's not. It's a comedy, so they they do a casting call and they get a lot of like because they have connections. She's a major, a major actress with a lot of connections in in Hollywood, and so they get a lot of 23:42 interest from people and like their agents are talking to them and they're like oh, this is this has potential and then they ask. They start asking like logistics and then everybody starts finding out. Oh, these are just like you just have a bunch of line like there's not like. Do you have a crew that go? These trains, safety, precaution, like what is this and they so people start dropping. I'd be more afraid of the geese than I am in the lions. They got for for Canadian geese just wandering around and so yeah, that's heard. Yeah, they're mean they're rude. 24:10 and so they were targeting Jack Nicholson for the scientist. Perfect. He immediately was like absolutely not. I'm not going to do that. I'm busy and so they're going down from their a list of people. They go through the blis, they go through the C list. No one's no one's fighting on it and in fact a lot of the crew that they wanted to hire is like. I don't want to be involved in that yeah and so I don't want to catch someone getting eaten live on camera so in 24:38 after about a year of working on it, they began filming and what they said is well, I guess we'll just do it. So no well spent ten years accumulating his animals and now no one wants to do this idea. Yes, so no well decides he'll be the scientist. Okay, never acted a day in his life right. He's an agent and a producer. He's pretty. How hard can it be? Yeah, he's like I can do it yeah and then tippy. Obviously she's an actress 25:07 So she's got a lot of experience. She'll be the wife and then their kids will be the kids. And then they found some random people who were like desperate for work to be all the extra side characters found put together this rag tag group of a crew and they started shooting. The goal was six months on set and then they were going to compile that footage and put it into a movie. Here's the thing. These 25:37 are not trained lions right there, real lions and shooting they had. It was kind of like a what's the word i'm looking for? It was kind of improv like they had a concept but oh yeah script everything and they're like let's just see what happens and so just set the cameras and they filmed it and it went as well as you think it went right. They expected this to be like a two million dollar venture 26:06 and they expected to take six months, but because of complications, maybe that's a good word to use. It's stretched. What kind of complications? So everybody was getting attacked by lions, the crew, the actors and actresses. It was the family. No yeah, the family. Oh over the course of 26:33 six years of filming. It ended up stretching to six years to film this yeah, because people kept getting hurt and they had to pause how her a while pretty significantly seventy two injuries occurred while filming this movie. There was situations where people got trampled tippy. She had she got gang green because she was stepped on by the elephant and it 27:03 crushed her leg. She got an infection. She got grand gang green and so then she was out for months recovering from that stepped on by an elephant. She has that down by the elephant yeah. They all got bit and scratched and cut by big cats throughout the course of the movie. Multiple times people have a doing hundreds of stitches with the cats. Do you know this is interesting? I do know I actually watched the movie. It's on YouTube for free. Just search roar. Nineteen eighty one it's 27:34 bad. Well, I should say the cinematography is pretty good. There's some shots that feel it's obviously nineteen eighty one, so it's like yeah like you know that era of like it feels like an old western. The way it's shot like where it's I don't know. I don't know it's a little backward. It's a little slow. No it does. What I will say is the setting does. It does feel a little believable that this is Africa, except for the animals are wrong because they have 28:02 lions and mountain or tigers and mountain lions and stuff. And so that that's kind of pulls you out of it for a bit. But like the setting itself, like the hills and like the open spaces do feel kind of like a savanna. Okay, so it does. It does. It is believable and they've got a ton of land that they're filming this on. Right. And so there's not really any structures around. It's their log cabin in the middle of it. There's like a river that runs through it. And the movie is interesting because, like I said, like there's these really 28:31 kind of beautiful shots of like sure them driving through the property and there's all these lions and animals and stuff all over the place and like kind of, I don't know, just really nice looking shots, but then that's just opposed next to like actual dialogue and the dialogue's awful with the exception of was the dialogue like hey, where are the big cats kind of like stuff like that, but it's also a lot of I should say and I would say probably eighty percent of them film is them. 28:59 getting attacked by lions and that's not exaggeration. What they did is they would just go kind of honestly egg these animals on get attacked, film it and put it in the movie. That was so much of the movie was them just getting attacked by lines. Here's a scene of no well getting attacked by a lion and this is a genuine lion attack like this is not blood on his hand. This is not yeah. That's his own blood. It's not a special effect. This isn't 29:28 made to be different. This is another one of this was his assistant getting actually attacked by a lion yeah and then here we have. I think that's his daughter and then tippy's trying to pull the lion off of her. This is this is his daughter jumping in the pool. This is not what I thought it was. It's genuine lion attacks and people multiple people ended up with like 29:57 seventy plus stitches a house. Anybody lose limbs, nobody lost a limb, but a lot of people one one crew member. I think I've seen this picture though, like they've got like yeah, because this is at their house, though this is not the this is before they moved right. No, I think this is on the property because they do have the pull on the property here. Here's a with the elephant. This is animal abuse, though yeah property 30:26 yeah, this is on their property. That's wild. Here's another shot. This is them laying in bed with a bunch of tigers and then that's there's raise kind of the apex moment of the movie. They're the family comes out. They visit. There's a really awkward scene where like they fly in. They fly into Africa. They land in the airport. They have to get on this bus and they bought this really sketchy looking bus 30:54 to make it believable. They're riding in this bus. There's all these extras in the shot and the kids and the mom are on the bus and they're talking about how they haven't seen dad for a year and some other mom says is like she's like she's like well why hasn't why haven't we said seen dad for a year? How do you think he's doing and stuff like that? And she's like well she said you know we were having trouble sometimes like you need to take a break distance makes the heart grow fonder you know and then 31:23 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tilen topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 31:49 I like 32:15 It's just like this really awkward scene. And then the daughter, I don't know if I can say this stuff on our show, we have a G rated show. She asks some questions you don't ask your mom. In front of all her siblings in a public bus and it's like very uncomfortable. It's a very uncomfortable moment. And these are the kind of dial, like those are their comedy moments are just like a little raunchy and weird. 32:38 like but it's not it never lands like there was never a single moment in this movie where you're like where I laughed like I was like that was supposed to be funny. There's a lot. I was like that was supposed to make me last way a lot of people watch this podcast. They go. Oh, I was just I was supposed to be comfortable, but they're like crowning moment in the movie is there's there's a science group that comes out to meet with him. They freak out. They're like oh you just you're just living with a bunch of lions. They get there and there's a bunch of lions fighting and he has to go break up a lion fight, so he just 33:07 runs into a group of like seven lines fighting each other and then they start fighting him and he gets like rag dolled because he just runs in and inserts himself into a genuine real life lion fight. The no well yeah producers to the scientist yeah he literally runs into it. They throw him in the pond like they literally like he runs in and one of them just swipes him and he like rag dolls into the pond and those other scientists are there. They see that and 33:36 they are like we need to shoot these lions. They're going to kill one of you guys yeah, it's like you can't do that and so they those scientists guys see a couple things they freak out. They leave and in as a result of all that the lions get really riled up and they start trying to kill everybody and so then the back half of the movie is them just running around the house, running away from the lions and that was the story line. Yes, yeah, 34:02 okay. This isn't real life that there was like there. The well, it is real life. Yeah, it is real. I kill them. I are trying to kill them, but the story line was all that was that was happening, but their lives were just trying to kill him because they were trying to live in my point. The real life story is more interesting than yes, whatever movie you're trying to do. Yeah, I think that's definitely true, but yeah, and so it like culminates in this moment where they're in the house with all these 34:29 and just running around the house trying to get away from like 45 lions inside the house. And it's like, you're not going to get away from them. It's, it's unreal. I mean, like people got seriously injured on this set. There was a moment where the entire crew walked out after filming and he had to replace the whole crew because the crew is like, this is insane. We can't be a part of this anymore. And then he had to replace the entire crew. 34:57 because it was it was insane and people were constantly getting hurt. He said after the fact he was like he's like it's honestly a miracle that we got away with this like it and it worked out and it's like it didn't work out didn't work out. Nobody died. This film sucks. Nobody died. It's really what he was saying. It's like it's a miracle. Nobody died is what he's trying to say, but a lot of people got seriously hurt like seriously, seriously injured because this was an insane idea. At one point they realized hey the lions really don't like the motorcycle 35:27 and so the motorcycle great. The motorcycle became a big thing in the movie about half of the movie. The motorcycle became this recurring thing where they just drove the motorcycle around and all the big cats would get fired up and start chasing him around on the motorcycle and he would ride around the property while they chased him. I can't overstate how much of this movie is just him getting a just him getting attacked or or the or the lions attacking each other and or somebody else and him. He has names for all of them. 35:56 and he's running around calling them by name and trying to stop it and so he but it's like in the movie yeah it's in the movie and but he's like but the way he's doing it is weird. He's like he's like taber taber no taber and how you guys act with your dog quincy no quincy stop so you're like that's not doing anything that's exactly what it is yeah, but the lions oakly it works on oakly 36:25 it. Oh, you guys shame your dogs quince. It doesn't work. I'm going to use the worst. It works on Oakley though or yeah to yeah. He's just he's just running out yelling to her. Now I should try I do to Reagan, so I'm I go Reagan and that's why she that why so she shames you in public. Yeah, yes, sir, Mr Sir. 36:51 Yeah, yes, that and then people think I'm sorry Sir. Yeah, she does that as a little bit and people think that I'm like a psycho, so 37:09 Okay, so after six years of production in nineteen eighty one, they released this movie. The majority of the movie is just people actually getting attacked. Yeah, it got interrupted over and over again from people getting it on run. People walking out on it. What's interesting there was I think it was seventy nine ish. I don't know somewhere around there. There was a big flood in the valley and the flood broke the gates and a bunch of the lions got out nine of the lions got out and the police actually shot three of them. 37:38 because there was just lions running around town. Yeah, I don't know how they what happened with the other ones, but by the end of production, three percent not a great record there police, but over the course of production. I said it was a six year production cycle. They started out with seventy lions and then a handful of other big cats. By the end of production, they had a hundred and fifty big cats on set. How these gap getting them yeah and there was over there were seventy two attacks that they recorded the vast majority of those required 38:08 ten plus stitches. Many of they there was pretty gruesome, a lot of really gruesome injuries. I don't think anybody lost limbs, but there's a lot of really gruesome injuries. Every attack in the movie is a real attack. All the blood in the movies, real blood, it is insane. They put this movie out in eighty one and it didn't do well. They spent seventeen million dollars on it. Their budget was two million and they spent seventeen million 38:37 halfway through production, the all the investors backed out. They had they had a lot of problems with insurance through the whole process. They had to keep changing stuff to keep insurance happy, how they were able to pull that off and sure clearly hadn't had to have no idea what was going on. Yeah, this kept switching insurance company or they were committing insurance fraud. Yeah, it could have been both. I am willing to bet that some people died. Yeah, and they just didn't disclose it close. They cover it up. Yeah, that's honestly possible. 39:07 that's very possible because yeah, it's hard to believe that somebody didn't that somebody didn't because yeah, they they pretty much the their plan for every day of shooting was let's go make these lions mad and see what happens and capture it on film. Like it's hard to believe that and people did regularly get hurt. So it hits the theaters and it grosses two million dollars and so 39:37 massive loss. They end up having to sell all of their properties to make up for the loss of what they had. They convert this property into a the Shambala preserve, and so now it's an animal sanctuary. They sold it to someone who's now running it, and I think part of the sale was you got a lot of lions and tigers and stuff now, and so like the only really thing you can do is start an animal. 40:03 preserve. Yeah, there's nothing else you can do there. Yeah, like this is your option like you can try to re home on, but I don't know how you're going to do that. Put it on craigslist lions for sale one hundred and one hundred fifty lions, one hundred fifty acres, fifty five, five tigers, fifty five panthers, so not a great result. The here's what's interesting about it. 40:33 mm in two thousand and fourteen. I think it was okay. They they put it on YouTube. It grosses eighteen billion dollars. Well, what they did is they put it on you. They didn't put on YouTube. They re released it. They did a re release and made it like like a B like a B horror movie kind of thing. I kind of one of those things and trying to make a cult classic out of it yeah yeah and it kind of worked. They didn't make very much money. I don't know how much they made on this re release. That's not like a figure we have 41:03 but what's strange is when you look at the ratings on IMDB, this isn't a great rating by any means, but it's better than I would have given it after having seen the movie. It's got a six point one out of ten stars rotten tomatoes, though this is interesting. They gave it a seventy two percent. Is that audience score? No, that's the that's the critic score as the critic score. The audience score is fifty one percent. The critics gave it seventy two percent and I think. I think they probably for the stunts 41:33 I think yeah. I think what gave it a good score is genuinely like there are some shots that are like really good and the score is decent, so I think like it's like nerdy critic stuff that got it a high score because the the dialogue is rough. The script is rough yeah and the majority of the movie. The movie's hard to watch. It's very dull like you're just watching people get chased around by lions for an hour and a half and it's like I'm so tired of this. 42:00 I watched that on tick tock though. I watched compilations of people getting hurt by big cats. I actually looked that up big cat compilation. Yep, yep. I tried to find it on pure flicks, but I can't find it's not on pure flicks. Yeah, so much blood. Yeah, yeah. What I mean, I don't even yeah, no one on so pure flicks. This is one that you need to watch. I don't know. I don't know if I'm allowed to watch it until I watch read the pure flicks review, so so that's hard for me. 42:29 since you guys haven't covered it, but that's crazy. Yeah, the movie ended up being a pretty tough thing for them to swallow. So year afterwards, no Ellen tippy got divorced, probably as a result of the I don't know her and her kids got attacked by lions over and over again because of him yeah, and then times losing everything by an elephant for your spouse. You know yeah, yeah, it's true and I mean you got a figure to like like they did literally lose everything yeah pursuing this project yeah. 42:59 and they got hurt a lot physically for it and it did kind of like. I mean, where are those kids now it's late in her career, but it did kind of hurt her like her career kind of was over after this for sure, which is pretty sad. Her kids, they went on to live pretty normal lives. Probably the most noteworthy thing about them is their daughter is the mother, so I guess their granddaughter was in fifty shades of gray. That's really the 43:27 the only noteworthy thing that comes out of the line. She's a main girl yeah, and so that's her lineage. The main actress is yeah. I don't know either okay, so that but like the rest of them just went on to live kind of normal lives and have this story that they tell at parties. I they're like. I used to live with a hundred and fifty tigers. Oh the sun though, when he was in when he was in high school when they had the baby tiger, he used to take it to restaurants and that's how he would pick up girls. 43:54 as they would be like oh my gosh, can I pet your line your tiger and he's like ah he's like it's not really smart to do that out in public yeah. You got to fight back to my house, yep, he would be like if I can get your phone number, you can come over to my house and you can meet my I got a couple lines there too. You can meet I have a couple and it worked out really well for seventy nine. To be exact, I have a few lions, lions yeah yeah careful. They'll bite you and I have a macaque that is eighty nine years old. 44:24 but yeah, that's the movie roar. The they build it as they're like tagline was roar. No animals were harmed in the making of this movie, but a bunch of people were a hundred percent. 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