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Hey, welcome to the Things I Learned last night. This is a comedy podcast where we laugh a lot and learn a little. I hate us. This is terrible. Uh. Today we're talking about the Cursey time slip. Yeah, and uh, you know we get into the theories of time travel. So pretty worth it. It's great. Yeah, and speaking of travel, I'll be in Canada this week, so if you're in Alberta, not the big cities, but the small places Brooks, Alberta and Tabor, Alberta this week. I would love to see it at a show, come hang out for my show as you can go to Paul Rudtheactor dot com. All the info for that is in the description of this episode or you know, clickable somewhere around here. So thanks for being here. Let's get into the episodes. Amen, same outfits, three episodes in a row. Baby, I never changed. We're like cartoon characters. Yeah, it's like those guys did have other clothes, and it's like, well, the artists just will never know. The artists can't draw that many outfits. It's a lot of work to come up with. Yeah, that's what I liked about the show. I watched Gravity Falls. Yeah, that cartoon. Yeah, and uh, Mabel had a different sweater almost every episode. They changed. Wow, that's a lot of work, I know, change every day. I mean she wore a sweater every episode. Yeah, it was just but it was a different color and she had like a different design on the front. Interesting. Okay, so bored just loud, like, dude, when I yawned when you're talking, you see me, I close my mouth and I do the thing where I go and I do it a lot in our episodes, and I never just brazenly yawned like that. All right, let's roll the theme songs when you get this over with. I guess what is going on right now? I teck. That's the endurance of an eagle scout. You know. I got my Duran's badge for being the crab at A four fifteen. They were really bad at the show. Now these days. Things I learned last night. All right, what's the topic. Have you ever heard of the Cursey time slip? The Cursey time slip? Yeah, no, sweet Cursey, the Curtsey ties lip. Okay, So Cursey is a town. Cursey is Suffolk. You know where stuff Folk is? Yes? Where England? Hey, you're right, Yeah, Suffolk didn't. I just hated the where. I'm so mad that you would do that. Yeah, I know where it is and you go really where prove it? That's so rude. Okay, this is Cursey. Here's another shot at Cursey. Here's another shot of Cursey. It's just like, it's a cute little town. I feel your brother showed me a picture that's gonna really mess us up here. They're like, they're like they're all postcards. Yeah, yeah, it's such a a really cute little English town, small in the country. So I would move here, I think, would you? We were talking about this last night. I would move to England. I think. I don't know if I could if we did Batty here, I don't know if I could do English culture. Have you seen what they eat? I know i'd still eat I still eat Norman food. So it's nineteen fifty seven. It looks like that, but a little different because nineteen fifty seven. So it's like black and white and uh. There is a group of British boys. They're fifteen years old and they're Royal Navy cadets. I think Rozzy but for the rotc maybe Yeah, No one calls it Rozzi. Everybody calls it Roches Rozzi for Royal Navy, and so they are, which the boy Scouts are just ROTC for ROTC you know I'm talking about. Yeah, you do the boy Scout Alex talk about. And then it's like pre military for the pre it's like pre pre military, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and then you joined the pre military and then you join Yeah, it's kind of like lifeguards lifeguards. Lifeguards are pre pre med and pre med is met. I would follow that track if lifeguards are like pre paramedic. You know, can you imagine, hold on, imagine this with me. Can you imagine a scenario where lifeguards were pre pre med and pre med was pre med. You had to serve as a lifeguard first, well, but you have to serve as lifeguard, but the uniform never changed. And so it's like you got the you got the sunscreen, and you have to have a six pack ads, and you've got the red red shorts and you're running down the hospital slow with the device. Someone someone's coding out over here, and you're I like those idea lifeguards that become doctors and think that they're still supposed to be super hot in the hospital. They are still supposed to be hot. It sucks whatever, Like an overweight doctor is like, you should work out more. You should work out more. Take your advice, bro. Yeah, that's a good point. It's like you never want to get a haircut from the barber with the best haircut in the Yeah you know, yeah, because he's not Yeah that means he didn't do it. So these kids, they're pre military and they are doing their training exercises that are act sure military camp or something somewhere, and they're doing training exercises. The exercise they get is they are their their leader, their troop leader is going to drive them out. Speaking at troop leaders, I bought girl scout cookies the other day, Uh huh, this is the most condescending thing I've ever seen in my life. Went to Walmart, walked out, and the scouts was actually probably pre pre military more than boy Scouts are. These guys are learning how to tiny not its. Girl scouts are learning strategy, yeah they are actually, Yeah, they're learning how to stop a target and get them to do whatever they want. Yeah. So I'm walking out of out of Walmart and I see the girls hot cookies and I'm like I could go for some thin Min's. And so I went over and I bought some thin Min's and I paid in cash, and uh, they were like, hey, card Old, we don't do that anymore. We need to be able to track you. You're trying to get you into the database. Uh No, I paid in cash with a twenty and I think it was like six bucks or something like that. I can't remember the exact price. Yeah, but these girl scouts, like sometimes you get girl scouts that are like a five dollars bill, but these girl scouts were fourteen, Like, these were the older girl scouts. I don't girl scouts the laouts. It's not mam scouts, Alex, what is that because it's Eagle Scouts for boys. Do they have a new name for girl scouts? No? No, no, okay, you know that Eagle Scout is not based on age, right, Well, you graduated into it assaulting to our Eagle Scout. But do they do they have for girl scouts? Girl scouts? What are they? No? Because they have what are their ranks? Do you know the ranks? No? Idea? Yeah, I guess they don't associate with each other. Yeah, they're not allowed to. Well anyways, they're they're older, they're like fourteen. So I hand her the twenty and she goes and the troop leader, sitting in her camping chair yeah, is like, okay, you're gonna do twenty takeaway six? What is your change, dude? And like kids are kids are so because of COVID they cannot do well, here's what happened. Here's what happened next, she says, and the girl doesn't answer her because she's clearly like, shut up. You can see it on our face. She's like, shut your stupid mouth, like I can see it on her face. Ok. And she knows the answer. Yeah. And the leader, the trip leader, goes fourteen and she's like, I know, en hands me my change. And I was like, oh that's what was so rough. Okay, you're gonna take twenty minus six. Well the worst is she didn't say minus, she said takeaway, and that me was like, oh oh yeah. It's kind of like the only people worse than the cheerleaders are the cheerleading coaches. You know what I'm saying, Like, you realize that as an adult when you see who the coaches are, you go, oh this all makes sense now, I get it. Yeah, these girls have crippling anxiety because of you, because you're the problem. Okay, so the curses why I can't wait to coach Little League baseball? Sign up for my league this summer. If you want your kid to be just severely messed up, every every kid, I will never yell at them, that's my commitment. But I don't have to yell at them to really mess up their brain. Here's the thing. If if your kid doesn't get trauma from somewhere else, it's gonna be from you. Yeah, that's that's my parent's Just make sure you surround your kids with people who are so much worse than you that by the time the kids like I need someone safe, you're their only option. That's parenting one or one that's so messed up. So these is like, here's your mission, all right, there's a town on the other side of this would okay, Cursey, here's a compass. Find it. And then he pushes them out of the jeep and try to play in the middle of the woods and tied up. Good luck, losers. And so this group of kids, this is real. Find it. Yeah. I think there's four of them in the group, and they're just marching through the woods. They're singing songs and they're trying to find their way to Cursey, and they're they're out here all afternoon. What year is this company? Nineteen fifty seven? Right, yeah, it makes sense, And so they got their compass. They're compassing around looking for is nineteen forty three the height of the war. So we go along through the woods, jumping on stuff. I Ho hi to Cursey, we will go. We don't know where our troop leader is. High ho hi ho twenty takeaway six and you're left with fourteen. Oh no, I know, oh you know. So they're ruching through the woods. Ninety boy scouts sell. We always did like a gets some gravy breakfast fundraiser thing interesting outside the sucks. Hey morning grocery biscuits are brave, big sign, not even burning. It's seven brave. Hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it, and you're enjoying Tilling, you've been around for a little bit. I want to invite you to be a part of our patreon. We have a patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our host and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out, we get to know each other, we eat pizza. It's a blast, along with a bunch of other benefits like merch discounts, message on your birthday, like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, they get the heck out of here. Just kidding, No, we love you. Thanks for checking out Tilling Podcasts. How do they How do they get it? Though? I realized I forgot to put a ct A in mind. Oh yeah, they can text Tilling the six six eight sixty six, Thanks Jared. So they're they're marching through the woods. They're out all afternoon and then they hear it the church bells tolling, and so they're like, we must be close. They're following the sound of the church bells. Yeah, it's autumn, all right, it's an important detail. Okay, They're following the sound of the church bell and then they see they see that spire over the over the hills, the big the big church spire that. Yeah. They're like, there it is, we found it. And so they start running in. They're like, our triop leader's got to be there. He's going to be excited to see we complete the mission. They walk in, We're gonna make it truly is one hundred years old, no, they they as they come down the hill into Cursey. Uh, they they go into like a clear like with a valley. So now they can't see the tower anymore. The tower pops out of you because they go through this valley and they notice as they're walking through this valley the leaves are changing colors. So they're going from like the autumn orange to green. Like that's interesting. I guess fall hasn't hit this town yet. It's very strange, okay. And then they noticed that the clock stopped tolling, the bells stopped ringing, but it wasn't like it was complete because you know how at the end, it's like they didn't get that. They didn't get that, and so it just yes, just like that, just like that, that's exactly right in the middle of the do it just stopped. And so they're like, that's weird. The bell stopped ringing. They come into town and as they round up the next hill, they noticed that they don't see the bell tower anymore. They're like, where'd the bell tower go? Maybe it's just out of you. Maybe like maybe it's it's got a still be there, we just can't see it. But it looks like a ghost town, like a lot of the buildings were still there, like the thatched roof houses and all that stuff were still there, but they couldn't see the tower. And then it looked at the town with abandoned. So they run into the town looking for the trip leader, like we succeeded the mission. We got to get our badge right. Can't find him, can't find anybody, and so they start peeking through windows and opening doors, like trying to surprise, whoa royal davy? Can I stay here? So they're peeking through windows, and they said they peeped through one window and they look through there and they noticed there's a girl ring on the bed. And they peeked through another window and it's a boy sleeping with a dog at his feet. And they picked in their parents window and they killed both their parents, and then they just zoomed out and they woke up in the woods with a shadowy figure who said it's finished. It's finished. Yeah, that's actually exactly what I was about to say. That's Jared's nightmare. In case it's a reoccurring nightmare I had, I haven't had it in like ten years. Now. Yeah, you're going to tonight. Thanks for that. On the plane. You're gonna have it on the plane because you wake up. He's going to be standing like hands to the soda and then LEAs put your seat in the upright position. That's terrifying. We're beginning our descent now, crazy you the hat man said that to you. So they're appearing through this window, yeah, of what they thought was a house. And as they pay through the window, they notice there's cobwebs everywhere, and in the middle of the room there are three like pig carcasses that are like decayed and like covered in flies and larvae and things like that. Okay, and it's like greenish, like gang Greenie, you know, and that's very weird. And then they noticed, oh, hey, we don't feel so hot, like we feel kind of nauseous, like really dizzy, and so they're like, let's get out of here. This place is weird. We're going to head back and see if we can find the cheap Okay, So they go back into the woods, and as they get further into the woods, they start feeling a little bit better. They notice that the leaves start changing back to the autumn like orangish brownish colors that you get from leaves. And then they hear the bell pick back up. Yeah, don't like they missed no time. They walked right back into the moment where the belt was finishing. Okay, so they go back. They tell the troop leader and the troop leader they watched for six weeks trying to find them. They ended up finding the troop leader. They walk back, they find the camp. They tell the troop leader. The troop leader says, you guys are insanzy. Yeah. He's like, he's like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say. Yeah, And he said, you also failed your mission, and so I'm gonna beat the crab the fifties. You gotta do, got a T shirt. You gotta be tougher than that one. You make the other three watch because it's four of them. You gotta go to beat the crab of him. One at a time, but at a time they all got to watch it. You can't be Yeah, and because he's you know, you're tired by the last one. You're so tired. But that's the endurance of an eagle scout. Yeah, you know, I got my Durrance badge for beating the crabut four fifteen year old kids. May we're really bad at the show now these days ridiculous, all right, I keep going. So the the eagle scout, the troop leader is like, hey, like, you guys didn't complete your mission right and you came up with this stupid story to be like, oh, we found it, but it was like weird, yeah, and come on. So they they do this whole thing. They tell they tell the stories, nobody, nobody's believing them, and then they just go on with their life for about fifty years. In the nineties, there is a guy who is writing a paranormal book. Sure, one of the boys finds out about them, and you should know about our the big town. We found the big down. So he flies from Australia. He now lives in Australia back to England to tell you the story of the country too. I've never lived anywhere near that place again. So he flies back to England to tell him that I would live in Australia except for like the with my feet, I like, just stretch my feet out the same time you did, and then we make contact and I was like, oh, this is weird. So I just I just coverhanded my whole right, Sorry, I would live in Australia except for like all the monsters. Yeah, that's you're going from what weird plays to a weirder place, like straight up like the Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a tough move. So he goes back to meet this novelist. I guess sure. I don't know if his novelce he's writing fan fiction. I guess is maybe the Better Horse. Yeah, I don't know. If you could call him nonfiction. It's probably not nonfiction. It's fiction light, maybe fiction light, Okay, embellishment. So he's writing, he's writing about this stuff, and he tells him the story, and the guy's like that that'd be an interesting movie. You know when the movie starts, you know, they always like inspired by true events or whatever. It just says embellished events. That's a little bit more truthful. Yeah, yeah, we're being honest here. So this writer is like, this is an interesting story. I'm gonna see if I can corroborate some of this. So he calls the other witnesses yea, and most of the like, yeah he saw that, but he ate a bunch of mushrooms longer in the forest. He's the reason we didn't complete that issues. He's the reason I'm not a boy boy Scout anymore. We weren't even boy Scouts. But he's the reason only one of us became a man scout. Why did they not do? Why? Eagle scout? Why? Alex? Are you? Do you consider yourself like you're an eagle Scout? Right? Like you're you would go, I'm an eagle Scout? Yeah? Do you ever like does anybody ever like graduate? Like is that a thing where it's like I'm the Eagle Scouts the highest? And so you're are you still involved with the boy Scouts? Now? Could you if you wanted to? I mean I assume I could like volunteer to help a troop or something, but I've not looked into it. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things Old last night. If you like our show and you want more of it, we have plenty of other episodes. One that I enjoyed was jose Kinseako, you know, the baseball player from like the nineties and stuff. But also it's kind of an alien episode spoiler alert, so go check that out. Thanks for being here, thanks for listening, Thanks for watching. And now back to this episode. He's checking out all these people. He's trying to get their stories and their stories online up like they're telling a very consistent story. So then he goes to start to dig into Cursey a little bit and he discovers that that house, that the specific house that they were talking about. He takes that guy with him, they go and he's like, yeah, this is the house and it was just someone's house. It wasn't a butcher shop. But he goes back through the history, the annals of history, and he finds that in the thirteen hundreds it was a butcher shop, okay, And it lasted as a butcher shop till the early nineteenth century and then it was converted into just a home. And so he does some more digging and finds that that church was being built just before the plague, but it wasn't completed yet okay, And so his theory is that the boys slipped through time right into week, right after the plague. Months. Yeah, right after the plague. And it was abandoned because every the plague hit this town and everyone's like, we gotta get out of here. And that's why the meat was still hanging in the shop and the town looked abandoned because everybody who survived got out, got out of dodge, and they were feeling sick because they were getting hit, they were getting the plague. They were catching the plague, got it. And that's the that's the slip. Here's the thing, this theory. They told her story in the fifties. But there's a guy, I don't know if you've heard of him, by the name of Albert Einstein who's got theory on time. Yeah, he's got a he's got a thing called the block universe. And this is this is something that's been expanded upon today. So the idea is that time. Here's the best way we can describe this time. This is a probably a code word. You and I what's the code word? If this were to happen to me. I think it's one of those if this were to happen to you, it's one of those scenarios where it's just like, you know, if I do get abducted by aliens and I'm trying to tell you, that would be the best. I honestly be wild, all right, but I would be trying to tell people and obviously they're not gonna believe me because it's stupid. Yeah, it's a dumb idea and lyle, but I would be like, Tim, Yeah, what's their code word? Like, no, it's it's if you say the benefits if. But I would have to be like, how do you how do you pronounce? Tell me how you say it? Say it? How about our co word? Is? What's the co word? You know what I'm saying? Like, Tim, what's the code word for? Like? If this is serious? And then I'm like, oh, hey, this is serious guys. You know because I would it would happen to me. I would end up back in time. You'd be the one that would happen to That's true. It wouldn't be me. You want it to I want it too bad. It would happen to me, And then I'd be like, what the heck what is going on right now? He is this the play? Why? Hey, you guys need a mask up something bad souppening six feet six feet that's four years ago like today. Yeah, oh oh, today's the seventh that stresses me out. Okay, maybe that's why we're feeling so sad. Maybe that is, yeah, because your body does remember time slipping. If we walk outside of this building and it's COVID, I know exactly what to do. I know exactly what you put me for four years in the past. I know exactly what Amazon that's hilarious now. So the the concept is that time is a big block and what's happening is you can picture time here. Well, I'll give you this next graphic. So this is one that kind of gives the three kind of theories of this. So there's presentism or also known as naoism, where all that exists is what's happening right now. It's the present that's the only thing that actually exists. And so the way that this has been described is you imagine a piece of paper and there's a kid drawing what's happening on that piece of paper, and that's nowism. They've got that one piece of paper. Possiblism or the tree model is there's a stack of papers and the kids drawing a piece of paper and after every moment, stacks onto that the next moment of the drawing, and so you've got to stack up all the papers, and everything that's ever happened is in the stack. The current moment is the top paper on that stack, and they're just added. All this still exists. Yeah, all of that exists because it's been drawn and it's just on the stack of papers. Well that's how time works. Yeah. Yeah. Eternalism, or also known as the block universe, is all of these pages are stacked on top of each other, and you're in the middle, and you're somewhere wherever you're at, whatever you're experiencing in it, but all of it exists on top of each other concurrently at one moment, and it already exists, and all of it already exists, all of it's been determined, all of it is there. And this is this is Einstein's theory here that we're wherever we're at on that page, but all the other pages are currently existing at once. Sure, So what the theory is is that if this is true and these pages are here, theoretically there is a way for you to move between pages. If everything's happening all at once. You could slide between pages into different moments in time. Sun travel. The probably the biggest problem with this theory is space because time is moving, but space is moving too. Where quorkscrewing through the universe at millions of miles an hour all the time, right, And so if you slipped back in time, you the Earth's not there at that point in time. Yeah, it's terrifying. Yeah. So if you slipped back in time, you're in the middle of your yeah, yeah, somewhere else. So that is some questions there. So you're you would have to be jumping space and time for that to work, which is interesting. It's a flat earth and we're not moving at all. Sure that's another I could that makes us work a little bit better. Yeah, ye, sense is flat, So there's there's that speaking of flat earth. All of this is stupid. Einstein believes this, Yeah, say it, say it. I think Einstein was kind of dumb. I think he figured out one or two things and it was like that was really smart, dude, that was really smart to you. But everything else it was like throwing darts at a board and he's hitting the wall, you know, and then we praise him when he accidentally hit a bulls eye. Once We're like, that's pretty good, that was pretty good. He's like the professional darts actually everything he says, the bulls eye and objectively not. Yeah, back the camera up a little bit, show the rest of the wall, the wall. We can see there's two darts that hit the bull's eye, but there's seven thousand darts of the wall. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's I mean, I guess that's possible. Was like just watching where that was a bit where the guy was throwing darts and he's talking and then he finally he goes yes and it pans out he had one on the dark board on the wall. That was a good bit. Darts is simultaneously. Darts is simultaneously. What if a dart went through the past. What if someone you use this room as a dart room and this wall and this was the dart board, and all of a sudden they just should we hang a dartboard right here? Yeah, put a dart in the wall. And that's just our decoration, singular one decoration. Get rid of everything else. We a black wall and a dark missed not even so we gotta throw like a couple yeah, because we'll accidentally hit the board. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're really good at darts. It's gonna be hard for us to miss. All right, we can do that for that. That's kind of a cool, like, that's a cool thing. Yeah, let's put on the wall. Can you make custom? Is there a custom? Is there a vista print for dartboards? I'm sure, yeah, let's make one. Okay. Cool. Anyways, So Einstein's theory of the time block theory makes it possible that what these kids said could could have happened could have happened as long as they jump space and time. Yeah, they would have to jump space in time, which is where things get difficult, which I think in his graphic here it doesn't count for that. Yeah, there's space. Space is one block on that and all space is stacked up, and then you're here and now is that little spot on that where you're at here now is moving like this? Yeah, it's moving all over that page, And so you could maybe maybe the pages are spinning too, Maybe the pages are spinning. So every once in a while those lines, I mean, it's fun if I mean, if everything's possible, sure, yeah, I mean, I'm just saying there's a way you expect. I want to just use our imaginations. It's kind of fun to just think of a way this could work out. But here's the thing, here's what we know for sure. Though sure there is all around the globe, there are people who are sighting things in our skies that are typically ascribed to be aliens, but they're most likely us from the future coming back to get our DNA, and we're stuck in the skies. What are you talking about siding things in the sky. They're UFOs, we think we're saying, Oh, those are aliens. They're humans from the future who create devices that can time travel. So they're going back to the pages to come get our DNA because they are having problems having babies, so they need DNA, and so they're DNA so that way they can keep the human rights going forward. So that's what's happening. So because we know that's happening, I woke up, I sat down. I paid a lot of money for his podcast to exist, and you're gonna waste mine and the Watcher's time. All hail the watch uh to talk about how aliens are time travelers. Aliens are not aliens, though they're humans. They're human time travelers from the future. Okay, yeah, and they accidentally they accidentally time traveled these kids too, That's what I'm saying. How do they do they stumble? Was the location? Yeah, they went through a portal? Theory, there was like a portal. Yeah, there's a tear in the paid. Okay, there's a tear in the page, and they slipped the page. It is the whole story. No one knows exactly how this happened. Kids could have lied. Who knows. They do hold this shoe. They're old dudes now and they're like, yeah, one time this happened, and people some people believe them, some people don't. I figured out what are like code word is? What's our code laid off? Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, We've got another one, the Rendell Shim Forest. It's another group of British people who found some crazy stuff in the forest. Maybe it was these kids when they grew up. They've had a weird life. So if you like the paranormal, you like forests and British people, then you might like that episode too, The Rendal Ship Forest. But hey, I want to take a second to think our patrons. This show is not possible without them. If you want to become a patron, you can see next week's episode right now by doing that, and then you get a ton of other parts. 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Hey, welcome to the Things I Learned last night. This is a comedy podcast where we talk about tragic events. We were really make fun of it the whole time. No, this is tim something new every week, but this week is a tragic event. This week we learned about the Thailand all murders of in Chicago when someone it's very famous, somebody replaced capsules in the Thailand all with cyanide and that's grust so and then the theories of who did it and what the result has been from the FBI's investigation, so we get into the big story. And also, like everything you buy is sealed now obviously, so this guy, yeah or gal, that's pretty sexist. Speaking of sexism, So I am in Oklahoma City this weekend on the twenty first, I'm in Yukon, Oklahoma, and then next week i am in oh I am I have a passport and everything. I'm going to Alberta, happy and like, not the big towns. I'm going to some pretty small towns Alberta, I mean Brooks, Alberta and then Tabor, Alberta next week on the twenty fourth and twenty fifth. So if you're in Canada, what else are you doing, you know, so come hang out. We'll see you there. But this is the this is a Now we're gonna get serious. Yeah, no more fun, no jokes for this episode. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of thailandol Thailand? Yeah? Yeah, oh, I pop like six of those a day? What probably eight? I don't I think that's a lit four Celsius and twelve Thailand I have to do. Yeah for each Celsius, I have to do two Thailand. I did a counteract the Celsius. I do have to tell my wife to quit taking talent all every day. She takes it every day. She was for a little while. Yeah, that's like bad for your liver, isn't it. I was like, I was like, hey, you know, your body like builds a tolerance, and then now that's not helping you at all. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it also kills, like literally kills you. Yeah yeah, yeah, yea yeah yeah. Anyways, uh so that's what we're talking about. We're talking about we're young, gonna live forever. Yeah, it's fine. Crush up and that's how I use that's how I used for flavoring on my tacos. Yeah, get some pizza. I'm like out to eat you guys, got any talent all in this joint? I think I got some of my purse. I'll think, could you bring me those? This guy, this guy at table seven, just sprinkle tilt all over, dude, that guy has had a rough week. That is insane behavior. If you're crushing up people orange juice, that's how they don't That's like a uh, you know, a cure, like like your tin stones get real quick trike, where like just let me bring a gallon of orange juice. If you crush up some uh some thilanol or whatever, put it in there. Geez, that's what some people do. Or what's the powder? TALENTL like that. It's already start the b I don't know. Pretty great. Twelve Yeah, so much p twelve dude, you just get twelve in the street. Everyone trash your time. You know it's gotta kill you. Switched it, but not not to otherwise you'll see him see see that. The whole conversation is on the ployboard. Things I learned last night. No, so we are talking about Tilan all but not really. I mean we're just we're referencing Tyland, tylerandill adjacent this episode. Have you heard of the Chicago Tayland all murders? Oh? No, more jokes. You can't be funny anymore. All right, let's just dive right in. This one's a good one. Okay. This is a wild story, sad story, wild story, though, and we're gonna make fun of it. Nineteen eighty two. October nineteen eighty two. Okay, we need to be serious about this is a serious, serious, pretty funny. Yeah, give me like a little queue where you're like, hey, no more funny. Don't do this though. I don't think that's appropriate. I don't think like this episode we're about to talk about death. Yeah, we're about to talk about death. It's September twenty eight news. Three bodies were found in an apartment complex in Kansas City, Missouri, with a note that says chicken and pickle was fun tonight. WHOA what happened there? September twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two. Matt Mary Kellerman, twelve year old girl wakes up feeling not great, asks her parents and says, hey, I don't feel good? Can I stay home from? Oh? Oh? This is the people putting stuff in tailan al got it? Okay, she tells her parents have I'm not feeling great. I don't think I should go to school. Her dad's like, you're gonna go to school here. It takes some tilanol, and so she takes a tilan al right, and then a few minutes later, he hears the bathroom door slam shut, and so he goes to check on her and like, she's not responding, and so he opens up the door and finds her dead in the bathroom. Okay, so they obviously call Line on one, paramedics show up, They try to resuscitate, bring her to the hospital. She ends up dying the next day. No clue what happened. They're trying to they're like investigating the house, investigating maybe there's something she ate, maybe she had like sudden cardiac arrest. They do an autopsy, and they're like there's no real like evidence of like what could have happened here, you know, And so they're kind of scratching their heads at this situation. That next day, Tember twenty ninth, they're actively investigating this. This is in a suburb of Chicago. By the way, There is a guy by the name of Adam Janice whose family calls nine one one. He had very similar scenario. He just collapsed in his living room. Okay, pick him up. They try to restitate, pi him up, take him in the hospital. He dies that night at the hospital. The family obviously terrible scenario, right, they go home. This is really sad. They go home and they're like trying to gather themselves and figure out what happened and where to go from here, you know. And in the stress of it, Stanley, his younger brother, is twenty five. Stanley's younger brother is like, man, I got a headache, and so he grabs a tailan all and takes a tailan on. There his younger sisters like he had me two, and so she grabs a tailant all as well, and a few minutes later he falls to the ground and starts convulsing, and then they call nine on one. The paramedics show up, and the paramedics are like actively resuscitating him, and then she falls to the ground and starts convulsing. So the paramedics are split up, and there's four paramedics with Stanley, four paramedics with Teresa, and they ended up both passing away as well. And they this was a moment where they were like, Okay, this is things. Yeah, this is strange, and so they have a local detective starts trying to like really figure out what is the connection between these four What did all three of these people consume? Right, they had to consume something, and they ended up being able to figure out it was the tailanol and it's interesting we can touch on that later. They end up figuring out that it's the tailnyl and later that day, throughout the course of that same day, there was three other people, a Mary McFarlane, A Paula Prince, and a Mary Reiner who were thirty one, thirty five, and twenty seven who same thing. They had same symptoms, fell the ground, convulsing, showed up to the hospital and died at the hospital. And so they're the detectives are scrambling trying to figure this out. Luckily, because of the ganicis, they were able to realize it was the time and all. So they put out this like public alert, be like nobody, nobody, take time and all. And they're actually driving around town that they send up police officers around the suburbs, like through the neighborhoods with bullhorns and it's they're like throw away your toil and all really and insane thing to like just here and I don't know, well you don't hear that, you hear what am I? What is happening to? Ice creaming? And outside? You have to throw your town away. It's gonna kill your family. Hey stop, no jokes. The cops like stop it, no drivers like, bro, this is a serious thing. What are you doing? He's singing, singing? It's a cock card. Everyone trash your time. You know, it's kinda kill you switch to real, but not not to me, otherwise you'll see him. You're the driver because set the whole conversation is on the floor. They don't know how to turn it off, so it's walking the dog. Just listen to this whole thing, just like what does that throw away your tiling home anyway away? So yeah, the driving around time telling everyone's Titan. This hits the news and obviously like people are freaking out. Tilan all is killing everybody, and I think brand dealing with it. So this is interesting. So we're not keep taking it more tent we've got We've only fixes two more. Yeah, the only thing that stops it, like we have another thing called Thailand All killer and you have to take Thailand and take the tail and all killer, and it makes Thailand all not kill you instead of who kills the You know, a marketing play. It's good business, du band. I mean, so, uh, this hits the news and obviously people are freaking out about it. They're able to find that there was a specific lot number, lot number m C two eight eight zero was the one that all of them had taken, and they were like, okay, so we're going to go on the news and be like, hey, if you have lot number MC eight two eight eight zero, throw it away. Don't take it, don't touch it. It's there's something wrong with it. Why would you daminate it? Throw it away? I would want to collect it, right, I mean, I think they've got enough samples. Now that's an interesting point. I don't know. They're like, get rid of it. We'll give it to us. I don't know. I don't know. It's in the trash. Yeah, someone someone What do you think someone's going to dig through your trash and eat your tilet all? Yeah, So this is the news, and the news is like, okay, if you got this lot number, throw you're get rid of your supply. So I don't know what they I don't know if they're throwing it away. I don't know if there's a drop bucket at the library that you're supposed to take it to. I don't know what the plan is. But they're like, get rid of put it in the library, book return, Well, there's some tilet all in my books. They don't even tell the librarians. Okay, there's a lot of people are giving us a lot of tilet all to day. Oh they know. If there's one place that causes heat, it's the library. Yeah, allowed in here. So they they're telling everyone to get rid of their talentol. And meanwhile they send this the the timinol they took from the people who were killed. Ye off off to the lab to get inspected to figure out what it is. What they end up finding is that a handful of the pills, not all of them, but a handful of the pills in these bottles were this was back when and you still can get this from the prescriptions, but you can't get this over the counter anymore. The actual capsules where it's like you could open them up and so the you open it up the pattern and it wasn't time and all it was cyanide. So someone opened this up and replace it with cyanide, closed them back up and put them back on the shelves, is what was happening. So, like you said, tith and All is Johnson and Johnson is the company that I was tiring, and they've been in business forever, just like they're the leader of pain killers at this point in time. Still are yeah right the time? And all's I how do you say the generic name of tunnel? No? Oh? I seen them anything? Yeah? I all right? Jennifer Coolidge, what was that? Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. 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Okay, acid menfin Okay, it's better. That's a better way to what do you say? Menafin? Like that? All right? Anyways, So Time and all owned by Johnson and Johnson. They their response was is to this day like something that's discussed in like PR courses, because it's like they've done it. They did a really good job with it. They came out and they said it was it was Procter and Gamble like those guys. They really no, I was okay, not us. No. They came out and they were like they're like, guys, this is really bad there. They uh, we're going to get to the bottle of this. Yeah. They came out and they're like, yeah, throw away all your stuff, throw away your your time and aunds but we're going to fund but you should not have any of it row away and go buy a different bottle more than no. What was interesting is the police said that was just that lot number. After a couple of weeks, they discovered a couple of other contaminated lot numbers, and so as that kind of came out at the time, it's kind of like, I don't care what the lot numbers, I'm not taking this, oh for sure. And that was kind of the public opinion, like people weren't taking this and it became such a big deal because, uh, the poison hotlines, they said they were ringing off the hook. They're like we're gonna call every five seconds of people being like I took Thailand all like two weeks ago, okay, but it was like it's like SINAID doesn't have a four week release. No, yeah, it's immediate. It was especially at the dosage that was in there. It was like an immediate thing that was happening and there's nothing to stop it. Yeah, and there was people all over the country that we're calling these poison hotlines, but this event happened only in Chicago. It was like it was like one store in Chicago that got the contamination and so but when they started realizing there was other lot numbers uh time, the Nall's response was, we're recalling all time and all. And so they went to every store and they said, throw it away, throw it in the trash. We're taking it all back, and we're not going to sell time in All anymore for a little bit while we figure this out. We're we're halting production. If you got any, get rid of it, don't take it. This is like we're we have a serious Yeah we care, you know. Wow. I mean they didn't, but they don't care. But at least it was a response from a company that was not like that. It's probably fine that happens. It's like Bluebell ice Cream when they were like, all right, we're gonna be done making ice cream for a couple of years. What are you talking about when blue Bell? You know, do you know what blue Bell is? I know what blue Bell is. Yeah, they quit making ice cream for a couple of years. Maybe not a couple of years blue Bell, Look look it up, just google. Blue Bell discontinued. I don't know. They came back in like twenty seventeen. Twenty eighteen is a big deal. Is it blue Bell or blue Bunny? Blue Bell? Because when I started Blue Bell ice Cream, discontinued, it redirected to blue Bell blue Bell ice Cream Salmonila, let's try that. Because discontinued did not give me anything. They got ordered to pay seventeen million. Yeah, and two misdemeanor counts of distributing adulterated ice cream products. That's a misdemeanor. I guess what is it? A miss oat distributed? Yeah, I got a missed the meter. Yeah, but there was like a they just quit making it for a while. I can't find me, and then I remember I remember them coming back. Well, I mean yeah, it was after the misdemeanor, and so it was after this whole lawsuit stuff. Interesting they and then it was like, we're not doing it anymore. I just remember it being because blue Bells in Midwest company, yeah thing, it's not available everywhere. Yeah, and so I remember it being a big thing when it came back. It's like, guys, they're making ice cream again. It's kind of like when Hostess went out. Yeah, and then whoever bought Hostess was like we're back, and the twinkies were not the same. Everyone was like, yeah, yeah, you've had a twinkie. Of course, I've had a twinkie. Like when recently. I don't know how time you ate a twinkie. It's been years, probably four or five years. It's been a while, probably Springfield. I I think the the only time I've eaten a twinkie is like for a youth group game. The only time, the only time, the only time in your life. And I say that as a person who was fat. Twinkies were so good, like in the prime nineties twinkies. I don't even think nineties twinkies were oh man, Yeah, No. I liked the the chocolate cream field things from Hostess Hose. Yes, I loved hose. Actually I called them hos. I don't know, ding dogs whatever, the ding dogs. Maybe that's what I was really good. Yeah, I like the chocolate cupcake thing with a little swirly thing on top. That's the cream field in the middle. That's a that's a ho ho for sure. Anyway, I liked those, but I never had to take Twinkies never caught on in the Myers household anyway. Pretty wild to me. So they they made it, They made the correct call. Yeah, as a company, it discontinued all of it, and they stopped producing it for a while, which the company would do these days. I don't believe. Yeah, they did it. We got rid of that lot number. They did an internal investigation to make sure that it wasn't happening in their lab. They also invited the FBI to do their own third party investigation, and they confirmed that it wasn't happening, because that was one of the theories, was like, oh, it's a discrownt on employee or somebody at the company who was like, we don't like Thailand all anymore. And so they were able to confirm that that wasn't the case. They ended up years later, I shouldn't say year later, months later, reproducing Thailand all and they actually changed arguably the world to the tablets instead of the capsules. Well yeah, so they did a couple of things. They changed it from capsules to caplits, so they were now the jail capsules that you can't open the right jail casings and tablets came shortly after that. But they also started doing the seals packaging, so this their triple sealed packaging is what they called it. So they had the inner foil seal. They had an outer safety seal on the top of the cap and then they put it before it was just on the shelf. Yeah, and it was just the cat unscrewed stuff. And they also added the cotton balls and so they said, if the cotton ball is if the cotton ball, the foil, the outer safety seal, or the box is tampered with, then any of those, then don't consume it. And so they was like protection that all it took was a couple of people to die, and then they were like, let's make massive changes to this. Let's change this all. There are other industries who would go, it's probably my second amend the ride to take tilent all second. Uh, And they they they launched this massive campaign that they paid for like ad campaign, being like, well, before they launched these seals, they launched a massive campaign that was that don't take talent all, and they paid for it. And then after they launched the seals, they launched this massive campaign of like here's the new seals and here's how you open them and how you're safe with them. A couple of years after this, the FDA actually passed a law they all have everyone's got to do these safety seals, whether it was any anything consumable, and so that's why, that's the reason why milk has that like pop cap on it and every like everything you use has a seal. Now, and that's this is the event that caused that the FDA followed lead on it. Wild sweeping change can happen. So let's talk about the suspects. This is the interesting part. Okay, well we've covered the that stuff. Procter and Gamble, Broder and Gamble, they said, just Proctor, Proctor said, how can we make this cost more? They did this? Uh no, So there's a guy by the name of James. How much did did that affect the price of talent? All? I mean, I'm sure it went up a little bit because the cost war saying, So I'm sure it did. I don't know exactly how much it did, but I'm sure it did. I mean, titand'll still pretty cheap. So it's not like it was that big of a deal. So uh. A few weeks after this happened, yeah, uh, Johnson and Johnson receive a letter in the mail and here, let me pull up a pull up. This letter actually from a person who's like I did it it was me. They received an advanced copy old book. Hey would you before I did it? If if it were be Johnson. Johnson gets this letter in the mail and the letter was like your typical ransom note, and it said hey you well it said it said, hey, it's really easy to replace synid with acid to menifin and your cap capture. And he says, I can do it again unless you give me a million dollars. Here's the bank account. I want you to wire it too, but they made it harder. Well, this was only a couple of weeks later. This is before all the changes after and this is this is still early enough in the investigation. This is before they like recalled all the time and all like, this is early in the process, right. So they get the letter and he's like, oh, also, don't tell the FBI. Just wire me this money. And if you tell the FBI any funny business, If you don't wire me in the money within forty eight hours, then I'm going to do lever some more. And Johnson and Johnson sees this and they said, hey, FBI, yeah, of course, good, so good on them. They were like, we can just send him a million dollars a millionhire. I know, there's got to be somebody in the office who's like, just damn well, that's what Johnson. Johnson and Johnson calls the FBI and they said, hey, he just wants to send me dollars. They're like, that's that's nothing. Bess who cares. We'll send him a million dollars. It's like a dollar. Yeah, they were like they we couldn't care less about a million dollars, and so like, we'll send it to him. And the imagine being the low paid FBI employee. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nothing to you. You just pay a million dollars. Yeah, here, let me give you a different account to send that to. We think it's this guy. This guy, I got a different number for you to send that to. And so they was like no, no, no, no, well sure, but he's got to meet us in a field and will helicopter down and give him the cash. We're going to give him the cash in person. So they said, here, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a look at that note, and I bet we can figure some stuff out. FBI, and I bet we can figure some stuff out. And so they take that note. They discover that it's note from a specific New York stationary company, and the both the letterhead that the note was on and the ink that was used was from this stationary company, which is interesting. They also found fingerprints that they matched to a guy by the name of James William Lewis, and so they found Lewis. They took him a non suspicion. So do we use people's middle name when they commit crimes? Like if I committed a crime, would I be just known as Jaron Kyler Myers. Yeah, it's if you've done something bad, it's the bad person. James William Lewis. Yes, that's exactly exactly. I doubt he's going by that. Yeah, I doubt he's going by yeah. Yeah, But that's an interesting point. Timothy James, wrong, wrong, I always mix you and your dad up. Yeah, me too, John Stone. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Uh. Speaking of future episodes, we haven't done of past episodes. We have a back catalog of well over one hundred episodes, so check those out. My current favorite is Nellie Bli. She was a journey List from the early nineteen hundreds, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy some of the things that she did. We had a lot of fun in that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately, just thanks for being here. So they get James, They pull them in and in for questioning. Yeah, they ask them all these questions. They search his house. In his house they find like a little a little chemical lab, and they find the Anarchist Cookbook. Which have you heard of that? No, it's a pretty popular book about making poison. It's fun. It's a little digital download. Gee that that's allowed. But that's what's out there. It's your second event, second right to make poison. It's technically in arms, right they you could probably get through that in court. Probably good. So he has the Anarchist Cookbook. They fingerprint left cookbook, and they did find his fingerprints on the page for cyanide. Okay, and so there's some circumstantial evidence. That's interesting. He uh, he's like, I didn't do anything. He gets they take him in for questioning and at first he's like, yes, it was me and then uh, he's like telling them all about how to make side stuff like that. Wait, actually they take him to the process, they realize they can't link anything to them, and they continue their investigation. Long story short, long story short. They can't link anythame to him. You're telling me. He's sitting here going, yeah, I did that. And they were like, got the fingerprints in the letter, we got this in your house, got a lab. You're telling us you did with sanide, You're telling us how you did it. We gotta let him go, but we don't know for sure if it was real. Well, here's the deal. They had a weird feeling about him. They're like, when you're telling me we can execute people that were like, we find out years later they didn't do it, but in the eighties they're like, this is still the eighties. Yeah, they so they could execute this guy off a spot and figure out a way to justify it. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. He lived in New York City. This was happening in Chicago. And what they know is that this with the cyanide would dissolve those capsules within forty eight hours, so you would have to see them. He would have had to like literally buy them, walk outside, put it in, and walk back in and put them on the shelf, and those people would have had to take them within forty eight hours. And so like this was something where like he had to be local doing this, and he had a pretty solid alibi to be in New York. And so even though he was claiming he did it, like it was like, yeah, I stated a motel over here, here's house in town. I have rental car reight agreement right here. I did all of it, And they're like, you live in New York. Well, here's the thing. They the FBI was sketched about him. So they continued their investigation a little further, and here's what they found. This guy did not do it. Here's how we know. The guy they did used to live in Chicago, but it was years ago him and his wife moved to New York. She got a job for that very same uh stationary company. Okay, she's working for that stationary company. And a year before this event, the stationary company falls into some financial trouble and the checks that they paid all their employees were bounced and so they didn't get paid. They took them to court. The employees took them to court over this to try to get their money. They couldn't get their money at the end of the court hearing. So this guy just he's an opportunity where he's like, I'm going to try to make us some money in this tragedy. This employee, Uh, the employees lost that case, and so the case en did. On the way out, James, furious with the owner of the company, has a few choice words with him and decides, I am going to wait for a tragedy and I'm going to write a ransom letter. Ransom letter, and he's not trying to make money off the ransom. The account number is their account number because he knows it from the check trying to get and so he's trying to frame them for the murders, is what he's doing. He's trying to frame yeah, so that that account number was the company's account number, the stationary company. So he's trying to frame the stationary company for doing the the cyanide. Okay, it turns out it's a paper company in New York. It was under miss to print. This just did a print poison poison. Seven people use code poison for twenty percent off at check out the eyes of one one. So in so they're like, yeah, it's not him, but you're going to jail for twenty years for extortion. And so he did go to jail for twenty years. Oku. He ended up serving fifteen and then got let out on promotion promotion. Promotion promotion. Yeah, I'm sticking with that promotion. Uh. And so again they're back to square one. Okay. Uh. They got a call a couple couple of weeks after the same time frame from a local UH bar owner in Melrose Park, another area in Chicago, and the bar owner said, Hey, there was this guy in my bar. His name is Roger, Roger Arnold. He's a regular, which is a name I don't know. He can't do that could click calls back when you have the right information. So for the F B I f I three, that's to be all three. So this borrowners. Like last night, Uh, there's Roger was in here and he was talking about how he's got a lot of cyanide at home and how he's like, yeah, I did, He's yeah, said sometimes I pop him into I like to put and leave them at the CBS. And he's like it seem pretty suspicious. Was like, where where does he leaves? C V c V s. It's three, put boots in the ground. We need to get out there right now. Could it have been him? This happened at a Walgreens. Thanks for your call, hanging up on leads over and over. Yeah, we don't really care calling her to confess. He's confessed for what the crimes I committed. We're not We're not looking for those. We want to figure it out on our own. That takes a lot this stuff. Don't spoil the episode. Don't spoil jeez. So they picked this guy up, they search his house. They did find in his house a bunch of illegal firearms and drugs and stuff like that, no cyanide. And they interviewed him and they asked a bunch of questions and basically determined he was just a drunk dude kind of bragging about having cyanide for some reason. This is I think it's important, so I've meant to do this. This is James Lewis. This is the guy who wrote the ransom note. Okay, so what do you think did it or didn't do it? He looks like he would have Yeah, he looks like he would have worked for a stationary company. He didn't his wife did. Oh well, he looks like he would have a plan to save his to frame his wife's company. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then this was Roger Arnold, the other guy. He looks like he would have done it. I'm saying, like, he looks pretty yeah, leave it at the common Dude, he's got what he's got those glasses that make his eyes look massive. You know when someone's got glasses on and the glasses service like, You're like, dude, you're you can tell how blind somebody is by how huge their eyes the glass. This guy cannot see a thing without those. Yeah, he thought he had Cyani, but it was just flower. He's like this, Oh, it turns out you're right, it was just flower. Officer. I've been putting that diet all capsules all over the Metro. I wonder why people aren't dying. They should have been more so they took him in for questioning. We're like, yeah, I can't be him. They did pull him in on uh uh, the firearms charges for having all their illegal firearms, and so he went to jail for a minute. That kind of suck. The he's got something slightly illegal in your house and you get framed for I know, the biggest thing happen happening in town. You didn't get framed though you were bragging about doing it in a bar like you. It's not your about having cyanide. You weren't saying you gave it to people. Yeah, here's how that conversation comes up, all right, you know, here's how it happened. Yeah, they're talking about it, and someone's like, yeah, how do you think get cyanide? And he goes, I've got cyanide? Like it's like that, and everybody have signed you signed on all the time. Yeah, what was that? What do you Yeah, I signed out in my house. Yeah, I my house. Yeah yeah, who knows. Maybe I did the maybe I did the tone all that. It is just a funny. I'm just making a funny. Yeah. But his hue so yeah, so yeah, Sinclair, the bar owner calls, you're doing like the likens subscribed if I'm trying to get thumbnails. Sorry, you can photoshop your eyes that are really freaking big, just admormally huge. There you go, there you go. All right. So he goes to jail for for the guns he owns him for, or he is in jail for a year. He gets out of jail in eighty three, and this is kind of a side you know what, I Am going to do it close. He gets out of Jones in eighty three, big grudge against that bar owner. So he goes to that bar, kills him, gets really drunk, and then has a plan, I'm going to kill Sinclair the bar owner on the way when he leaves tonight, and so he's waiting outside for him to leave, and he shoots some random guy that just happened to be at the bar. So he goes to prison for thirty years and dies and dies in prison for that. So yeah, rough, And then it just kind of imagine that you get your freedom and then you kill somebody and now you're you've served one year. Yeah yeah, which I mean I would do it a bad year. But it's like no, I mean, if you committed a crime, yeah you would now right, No, we can listen to our podcast for sure. I could not do it a year. Okay. So this this he doesn't get caught for the timelinal thing, and long story short, it kind of fizzles out and they're like, oh, we don't know who did this. We have no way to find out who did this, and so it becomes a cold case and it sits for twenty five years, and in January two thousand and nine, the Illinois FBI was like, hey, it's the twenty fifth anniversary of those murders. We're gonna celebrate out. We're gonna sell it right by discovering who did it. We're gonna celebrate. We're gonna have a parade and the Discovery Train. So we're seeing we can figure out who did this, and so they they're like, we've got some advancements in technology, maybe we can figure this out. The problem was at that time, like CCTV wasn't super common, so like it wasn't like we can have a mount of camera. Most people paid in cash, and so it's like we don't we can't track like purchases and stuff like that. And then obviously like even forensic like fingerprints and stuff like that weren't as good at the time as well, So it's like the science wasn't there. But now they've got better science. So they exhumed the body of Roger Arnold because now he's dead, and they took his femur bone for DNA testing and so they could do some DNA tests on the cyanide pills. They took some DNA from James Lewis to see if maybe it was him, and then they had this other theory that this guy you might recognize him. You know who that is? Yeah, correct, George Bush, Now that's Ted Kaczynski. He's the unibomber's yes, and the unibombers the UNI bombings started in Chicago. So they thought maybe it's him, and so they took some and he he's like, he's like, okay, guys, sure and he was like, it wasn't me. I didn't do that. I'm a bomb guy, not a poison guy. Yeah. And so they took DNA and tested it, couldn't connect it to him, couldn't connect it to you did the other guys with the DNA And basically we're like, hey, we tried, we dug into this further. We can't figure out who did this. Sure, probably will never know, which is wild because there were a handful of copycats around the United States after this. I think there was like five or six more people who were killed from Sinaide and time and all, like shortly after this event, nobody went trick or treating that year. I mean people went trick or treating, but not a lot because everyone's like, there's side in our candy. Yeah, and uh, but whoever did this is out there among us. Oh, we've never figured it out, no idea who did that? Wow? And we have no idea why. We don't know the motive. We don't know who did it. We don't know what happened to them. We don't know if they did anything else later. It might have been a one time thing. Maybe they did other stuff like this. We have no idea, but it it drastically changed the way we sell anything consumable. Ye ever sealed everything still now? So that's the Chicago tailand all murders crazy story, no answers. Wow, okay, yeah, well fiddle off. Then, hey, thanks for checking about this episode. If you liked it, we've got another one you might like, the Richmond TV Vigilante. It's another unsolved mystery, a little less murdery, a little more I found a TV on my front porch. E. It's a great story, very interesting, lots of intrigue. So check that out. 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Hey, thanks for checking out things. Either than last night. This is a show where we laugh a lot and learn a little. In this episode we learn about the Bone Wars, two guys from the ancient past who found a bunch of dinosaurs and we're really petty about it. Super competitive. In we were called the bone Race, the bone Race. Yeah, they're like trying to It's like the but with dinosaur bones. Yeah you are the last arrive. Yeah great. When does this episode come out? This will come out April ninth. On April ninth, Yeah great. This weekend, I am in Corona Light, Idaho. It's Cord Lane. It just it feels wrong. Cordlaine, Idaho on the thirteenth, and then in Oklahoma on the twenty first. So Oklahoma City, if you are around there, would like to see me do stand up, that's the places to do it. Or if you don't want to see me do stand up, avoid those places more away. So yeah, thanks for checking out our show and also for checking out my shows. Let's go to the Bone Wars. Hey, man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the Bone Wars? The Bone Wars Bone Wars? No, take a guess? Okay, if I had to I feel like it's junk Yard Wars, but with bones. Do you watch junk Yard warst this show where they scoured? Yeah, I'm going just chill out. I'm going to talk about it if you chill out. Okay. It's the same concept where here's you have to design a freaking pully launch thing right using excluicitly bones. But that's the problem. They don't give you the bones. You gotta go you can find them. Speaking of bones, he is now trying to move as quickly as possible to discover as much as possible to be able to ship and help litch these discoveries before o'thaniel can get to them. Thanks a different approach, he hires them a lift show okay, and he says we're gonna kill Eddie Rusty Mud. Yeah, sounds like a like a Dad Rock last night. I run a professional business like I run a professional business, right, you know we we do shows. You know this is how I make a living, all right? Not this podcast I sent from this Gosh. I wish we did know. The shows are how I make my living. I have an agent who she helps me make a living. She's im responsible for my paychecks and she casually dropped in one of our calls a couple of weeks ago, uh that she doesn't believe dinosaurs are real. She just casually said that. She was like, she's like, yeah, I'm talking to those girls at my gym, and I was I brought up. I was like, well, I mean I don't you know, obviously I don't think dinosaurs are real. And then she's kept talking and I said, you say that thing again, say that weird thing you said again, And she's like, oh, I don't believe dinosaurs are real. What's her her reasoning is? And straight up I said, what are you talking about? Did you see a thing online? Like what got you on this? She goes, well, first of all, I just looked at him, and I was like, that's not real. So so now every time i'm and there's first of all, that can't be real. Straight up, she was just like, first r what she said? Anyway? She said it was first of all, I looked at him and I was like, be for real, you be for real real. So now every time I'm in an airport that has you know a lot of airports have like uh t rex or a mamth or whatever, I always your flight, like, look at this dead thing. Yeah, nothing, and I always take a bone. I take one every time. This is true. I hope Delta doesn't listen to this, but I steal the soap from the sky Club. No, you have the whole. I mean you're supposed to use to show That's what I mean. I'm not saying I use this open. I'm like solid. No, I mean the guy take the full bottle. I've not looked up. They're like forty dollars bottles. So well, that's what I'm saying. Okay, walk me through this. I'm picturing like hotel bottles, like the little bottles they have, like you know, like the full bottle of soap. They have multiple of them. That's kind of gross to me because like everybody is using those. Yeah, but it's sky Club people. It's not the poorest, you know, like there's already a barrier of interest. This is the second shower of the day. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, yeah, I'm saying I guess that's kind of fair. I rolled the theme song before all my elite stuff. Right now, I'm a national elite. I'm working my way to global elite. This episode is gonna be great for your uh, your dinosaur Denier. This this I know, Denier. I like that we're looking at you, Denier. That's actually kind of a cool shirt that kind of goes pretty hardy Denier. So that this is about two guys, uh won by the name of Edward Drinker. Cope. This is hey, oh just happy to be there. Yeah, Edward Drinker. It looks like a second grader doing his school picture. You know, he's like, smile, but he's like insecure beat teeth, so he's like yeah yeah, and o Than Othaniel Charles Marsh Yeah, and he looks like that also looks like a second grader. Second grader dreams, gosh, man, who's O'thaniel? Stop talking about Othaniels Othaniel's name. They should make a come back to you. I was thinking that actually because call him. Oh that's not what I thought. I think you shortened that to Oath and that is hard. Okay, that's pretty cool. Hello I am Oath. Oh yeah, well, I mean you're introducing yourself that way. I might just start doing that. You can do it. You can take any name you want. You can take whatever name you want. So let's talk about each of them. Real quick. They're separate people. Two separate people. I mean, like, that's not what I mean. Obviously they're separate people. I just mean like their storylines are different. Yeah, we're looking at two stories today, or like they have pals friends. At one point they were friends. Okay, enemies. At one point there were enemies. Dude, one day we could do this. You and I will be enemies. Looking forward to that day. So Edward Drinkercope was born July twenty eighth, eighteen forty in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Okay, and check your Apple, watch it in more time. My wife is leaving and so the ring, it keeps sending me notifications. Oh my god, you need to talk about anything. My wife's leaving. Getting a lot of texts from her and the lawyer. It's like, yeah, I'm trying to talk about these bower guys occupied freaking No. The ring. The ring sends me notification when she sets the alarm. We've got a camera in the garage, so it's every time it sees her moving in the garage. And then we got a camera right outside the garage. So when to sit back. Now, it's just like so many notifications whenever she feels like she's late for work. She is a p D day today. Oh yeah, my wife has that today too, She's got more students. It's crazy. Okay. Anyways, schools, schools, dudes, That's probably why there was so many kids of Chick fil Ever today I was wondering. I went to Chick fil A this morning and there was like a bunch of high schoolers around, and I was like, why are you here out? We made a building for you. We said, we don't want you in public. We've prepared a place for you where the streets or gold. These streets still look gold. This is Nola. Shut up. We built it in the nineties. It was gold. Then it's worn down. Now it's kind of like brass turning green, like the sky Club is cold. All right, So his family, his family was very well, sorry, we're talking about the first guy or second guy, Cope, Edward Drinker, cokest guy. I'm happy to be there. He was born to a wealthy family and he was kind of like a child prodigy. He very quickly was like excelling through the ranks in school, and at nineteen he published his first scientific paper. Didn't go like again in the eighteen forties. You only lived to be twenty seven. So I saw something recently that said that that idea isn't true. Okay, well I'm lying you just so quickly we're talking about a new information comes I accept that I was wrong, and I go, okay, let me, let me explain why the live span was about the same, but the average was like twenty seven twenty yeight because so many people died, like, so many infants died. So many people didn't make it past the first year. Oh that's interesting, so exkews the numbers. But the once you made it past baby like, most people made it pretty far. Oh okay, I mean I knew old people existed. I just thought that they were so rare. Everyone's like, oh, what's that. I look at that and I think that's not real? Yeah no, I yeah. Interesting. Anyways, we built a building for the old people too, didn't we. There's really middle aged people kind of there. They suck rule of society. Huh Hey, we're coming up on that. We're getting close to being buddy words. We're there. You're having a midlife of rices. We're there. We're fully golfing. You bought a guitar, has never heard Man, I'm turning thirty in a couple of months. Are you scared about it? No? Me and my guitar, My guitar is sailing to our thirties. Due all right, I'm playing roller coaster taccoon. We A lot of stuff's different right now. Man, it's interesting, all right. Well, anyways, we're gonna be We're gonna be the bones one day. And when you think about it, you were thinking about we are the boat. So O'Malley or whatever his name is, Neil, we're not ready for word. We're talking about Edward Drinker Cope. Okay, Cope, not Coke. Yes, Edward Drinker Cope writes his first scientific paper at nineteen yeah, and he's like a like a prodigy. But it's like that was still like a young thing to do then, yeah, and like they still had college, you know, but he was just like I don't need that because he's rich. And so he instead of going to college, just goes to become a professor and starts teaching science at some school. He obviously like wasn't very well educated, but he was intelligent, like just naturally pretty intelligent, and he had the money to kind of sneak his way into some stuff. Sure, So he got a job teaching. Also got a job prospecting, which seems like, no, it's a job, I get it. Yeah, it's fair. I'm the prospector. He was into neo Lamarckism. Have you heard of that? Uh, yeah, my family tried that for a bit before the Baptists. Neol Lamarckism, Lamarckism. Yeah, I don't know what that is. So this was the idea that parents could pass on traits to kids that weren't like physical traits. If if I'm a doctor, so now my kid knows everything I know, not necessarily knows everything I know, but it's like your kid's going to be a doctor. Or like, if you're a healthy person that cares a lot about their fitness, your kid's gonna also inherit that. But it's not a nurture thing. It's like a it's a nature thing. Oh sure, Neil, It's it's kind of a twist where it's like, I mean, this does naturally just kind of happen, but it's more of a nurture thing. They believe this is like that that's ingrained within your DNA once you pick that up. Okay, so me picking up guitar means your kids, My kids are going to get into guitar. Does your dad play? No? No? Yeah, why are you trying to force it? Then it's not not in your DNA, it's not who you are. Okay, fine, Othaniel, I'm not sure how to pronounce is it Othaniel or oth Neils? Neil Oath? I like Oath better. You're right, I should just call them both. Oath was born on October twenty ninth, eighteen thirty one, so like nine years older than Coche in Lockport, New York. And he was not in a wealthy family, a very what you call not sky Miles family. Sky. Yeah, it's so important. But he was highly educated. And the reason he was able to be highly educated was because and he inherited it from his dad, was because of this guy. This guy was the neighborhood creep who ed James Buchanan. Uh, wow, that doesn't look like James. I'm gonna be honest with you. You could have showed any guy from like that, like James Buchanan. Who is this guy? This is George Peabody, not the Peabody you're thinking of, but another famous Peabody. He was very wealthy. He was a financier. What's with the Peabody Hotel? Uh, that's like a famous hotel. Yeah, and what is that they have the ducks? You about the hotel that has the ducks with the elevator You know what I'm talking about? What hotel has elevator ducks? Elevator ducks. That's the weirdest thing I ever googled. It is the Peabody. Yeah, body ducks do not have individual names. You know what have you heard of this? The Peabody Ducks. No, I'll do an episode. Okay, clo closer, I'll do a whole hour, a whole hour on the Peabody. No jokes, no type of jokes. We're going to talk about the ducks. Is episode we've ever done? The Peabody Hotel Ducks. It's in Memphis, Tennessee. Yes, we should go. That's not far. I got a couple of shows in Memphis. Your birthday weekend birthday in mean Field. You should you should know? That's yeah, are you joking? That's why you can't play zz thing like that seems like learn guitars going out on the Beal Street and then I could try Look, there's another guy tries. Some guy trying and public what's worse than drag in Nashville Dragon, That's true. So Peabody was a wealthy financier and was an Oath's uncle, and he said, hey, Oath, like you, I think by looking at you got what it takes to be a smart guy. And so he's like, I want to pay for you to go to college. Also, I'm going to build a museum, and I would like when you graduated college to run the museum, okay, And he's like, that's a lot of pressure, and so he sends him to college, ends up going great, gets a job out out of college to be a professor at Yale. Very highly educated and intelligent guy, and then later on becomes the president of the National Academy of Sciences. This guy is a lot different than Cope though see Cope obviously neo Lamarckism kind of a crazy idea. Cope was a creationist. Cope was a theorist four thousand years old. Like he was one of those guys. Oh. Oath was a natural selection yeah, evolution a super old kind of guy. But regardless, they met in uh in Berlin in eighteen sixty four while they were on a science field trip and they hit it off and McDonald's after their trip. Yeah, they were drinking their capri sons and eating their pbnj's that their moms packed them thirty seven and at that time, that's like that's like six because of the age top. Yeah. Yeah, then you're you're gonna be really old. Yeah yeah, that's you know, so they lived longer back. Yeah. So these guys hit it off. They become good friends. Uh, and they spent like the next four days together in Berlin and science stuff together. And it's kind of kind of like picture like picture the uh, like a like a like an indie film montage. Yeah, they're running around Berlin. Yeah, they're stealing, stealing stuff, flying kites. Yeah, well wind wind, it's just a theory. It's not a fact. It's not we don't know for sure. I don't know God's breath. Uh. They're like lighting a potato and they're doing mentos and diegope, you know. Yeah, and then they're like getting covered in it and they're like high five. Yeah yeah, you know. It's really heartwarming and they they were friends for years after this. They ended up naming species after each other, which this is I think I'm getting ahead of myself by saying that. But they named some species after each other that they discovered. They discovered they discovered some species, and they named them after each other, and they started going on expeditions together, making discoveries in the worlds. Yeah, they were good pals and uh pie one day, one day something changed, and here's I'm going to do. So I'm gonna do an exercise real quick. Actually, before we get too far, I want to pull this picture back up. We've got an Oath and Eddie. Yeah, I want us as a group to decide who do we think of these two is going to win the Bone Wars, which we don't have contact on what this is. I think you can probably guess. But who of Eddie and Oath do you think is going to win the Bone Wars? Scrappy guy? This guy Eddie? Yeah, you think Eddie's gonna win? Yeah, scrappy. He does look like a He does look like the kind of guy where like you get in a fight and he's like underneath is Uh. You know, they obviously uncovered some kind of well I mean, my agent would say they didn't do any of this, but uh, they've uncovered like a dinosaur. Yeah. Right, and now it's a race to whatever and it's whoever gets to name it. Yeah, yeah, that's so good theory. Actually, I'm gonna go Ofthaniel. I think yeah, I think he discovered bones in the feet and now we call it or orthopedic. I think that's what's named after. They accidentally added an R. Yeah, they're like, oh, oops, oops another R oopsops. I don't know, man, he's got a list my votes on the Scrappy Guy gonna. Hey, how about you put it down in the comments oath or Eddie and you can't. You can't do it at the end. You have to do it right now and just put oath or Eddie. That's just the commonscribe. Shut up. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you want to help us grow our show, one of the easiest and best ways to do that is a join our Patreon. It's a way for your financial to support this show and you get a lot in return. You get access to our discord channel, you get bonus content that comes out, you get exclusive merchandise, and like live Zoom hangouts where we're both just hanging out, eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't supports financially, we're not pressed about it. We're not like mad. But I'll find you. So text till into six six eight sixty six to keep yourself from being found, all right, because if you don't, I will want you down all right. Anyways, So as as you might have picked up by now, these guys are paleontologists. I don't know if I've said that yet, And so they only eat fish. Yeah, they also another side part that a lot of people don't realize about paleontologists. They only eat fish, but they also like to dig up dinosaur bones. A lot of people don't talk about that part. Ones like, oh, it's just a fun diet. This is a good episode for my for my denying. You got to dig up the bones too. I used to call her friend. I didn't know what to call her just then denying. I used to call her friend. But yeah, like employee, she's on payroll. I'm gonna tell her. Hey, go listen to the episode for the first time in your life. So they started going all these expeditions together, making discoveries. Yeah, finding dinosaurs. This is early early dinosaur era. Yeah, not a lot of not a lot of dinosaurs have been discovered yet. This is like the mid eighteen hundreds. This is interesting then, because Eddie is a is he really like your creationists? Like he thinks, Okay, so he's gonna say that this thing didn't make the arc. Yeah, yeah, that's his belief. That's his belief. That's his belief. Okay, Oath disagrees with him, but there's still like it was all the arc was like, yeah, of course Noll brought the t rex on the arch kidding me. Uh. So they start making all these discoveries together, going on these expeditions, and then one day they went on a trip to a marl pit in New Jersey. What a Marl pit? It's basically like crusty mud from a million years ago. Rusty mud. Yeah, sounds like a like a dad rock band. Yeah we should we were crusty Mud. Alex do some like chugs, you know, yeah yeah, yeah, that'd be sick. So Cope had discovered this pit, and I promise you if you do a stupid. Like, if you learn guitar, you know, and then you join like a dad band, I'll just take you out. I mean, I'll make you disappear. I mean, I'm gonna skew screw the data. I'm saying that, like, I will do that for you. Don't appreciate that. I appreciate that. I won't. I will not let myself or your kids go to my dad's doing a rock concert at the the coffee shop. No, their garage. Yeah, my dad's doing a block party, yeah, rog Yeah, unless it's cool, there's gonna be brats. Yeah. Now there is a certain age though, where that crosses into like that's pretty sick. That is. Yeah, if you're like eighty and you're like, guys, we're gonna do a garage show, and you do that, pretty sick, pretty sick. You're right, you're right, sweet, So I'll just wait. I'll spend the next fifty getting really good at guitar. I'm not going to make it to eight, right, you're right. Well, i'll be the youngest guy, the bad that'll give you join a band of eighty year olds and I'll be thirty three. Yeah, and I'm like that guy looks younger than everyone else, but he is bald, so I don't know, called the grand dads. That's pretty sick. Anyways, they go to this marl pit and there, I don't think you should be in an old people band called Crusty Mud. I don't know if that's that's I mean, if all the olds are happy with it, if they likes all right, okay, So they went to this moral pit. Cope found this one. There was an operator that he was like, and I believe the operator is kind of like the landowner who was like, it'd be cool if you dug up this pit. And so they went. They started digging around trying to find some bones. They didn't find any bones on this trip, but the operator was going to continue digging because he was like, maybe there's some cool bones and stuff in there. And they were like, yeah, if you find some stuff, sent it to us. Were the scientists, we can science them. And marsh on the way out, pulls the operator aside. They're walking out. Cope continues walking. He's like, go start the car and he's like, what the heck is a car? All right? Go heat up the horse? The horse like, it's like, do it. So he pulls the operator to the side and he's like, hey, bones, if you're finding bones, send them to me, don't send them to Eddie, send them to Okay, so we starts undercutting them. Yeah, and so this, uh put a little rift in the relationship. It wasn't a big one yet, but it does start to start this yeah, and Eddie. Eddie finds out about this, and Eddie's like hurt. He's like, he's like, what are you You're sciencing without me? Like you want to do this on your own? Yeah, Like, dude, this is my pit. Yeah, I found this pit and you're going to try to undercut me on this. You're gonna this is my pit, and you're gonna maneuver around me. This is my pit, and you're gonna smear deal it all. It was a bad joke, but my brain and I tried to leave and I couldn't. I couldn't not no more jokes. We tried. This is the morning one many podcast. This is serious podcast from that one. No more, Sorry for that, guys. So then the Dinosaur Rush begins, okay, which is like the gold rush is berthed out of the gold rush. All the gold guys, we're trying to get their gold. And then they happened upon these bones. They're like, which one of you murdered a really big guy? And then they were like, oh wait, these might be Dino's and so they're like, we should call some science guys, and so all the science guys went out west and they started digging. They're like, oh, yeah, there are bones here. There's a lot of them. Most of them are like Utah Idaho up in that because that's where the flood happened. The never mind, they jokes, sorry, sorry, might be might be so might be, no jokes, I apologize. I was highed for myself. Okay, keep going funny. So they begin traveling out west and doing digs out west. Cokind of connections in DC because he's rich, you know, yeah, and so he pulls his connections in DC to get added to the US Geological Survey under a guy named Ferdinand Hayden. And Ferdinand Hayden was also a name that should come back Ferdy. Yeah, that's cool, that's cool, dy kind of cool. Hey, no jokes, No, it's not a joke. I'm like Ferdinand Meyers and Verdi Erdy what what what? What names is bree have picked for your kids. I can't say they're surprises for who for everybody. We're gonna say them, but everyone's gonna be like, wait, are you serious? Yeah, we've got you got coming, but you're not gonna tell me we jumping off the podcast. Well, we've got four her names. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Actually, though we picked these out when we're dating, Like, we haven't talked about this in seven years, so I don't know if like we're still locked on those. I'm still okay with them, but I don't know if she's still like you, Duke Dean, you shouldn't be okay with that. Charlotte. Oh dang, we were gonna name a kid Charlotte. What are you? Yeah? I said, just in case we should both well have a boy named Charlotte. We're gonna be you do it, but I'm gonna call her Charles, my dad. That's like the joke. A daughter named Charlotte, but I call her Charles. That's kind of cool, my dad. I'm sure that will create issues problems. Were totally fine, little and like, she'll have my broad shoulders. Dude, it's so she's go to college on the shot put tell you that we talked about all the time. My wife is like a little bird and I am like a giant dinosaur that may or may not exist. That's not real, be for real. Yeah, So we're either going to have just a very like modelesque daughter or a daughter who is like freaking what's that? What don't say huge about my daughter? All she's gonna listen to this one day. Yeah stop water polo is what I was thinking. Oh, yeah, jacked those girls are They are jacked. They are ripped. What if not ripped, they're like freaking they are their arms are masked. It is not the right word. Yeah. There, she's gonna win the countywool. She's gonna win the county fairly, you know. I he's in the video of that girl in the in like the David Busters doing that and the kid runs by like right at The kid doesn't lose a step at all, just freaking. That's the power of children. Why they can't feel pain? So anyway unless they get cool name. So Ferdinand is a cool name. So Ferdinand Hayden, he's a geologist. Yeah he was an imposter. This guy's not an imposter. He is a he's a rock guy. And so he likes looking at rocks, and so he's a part of the survey to look at all the rocks and tell you what they did. This rock probably sat here for like a million years, That's what he said. And so but Hayden, as a part of digging rocks up, sometimes would find Tinnis bones. Okay, So he had a guy by the name of Joseph Leedy. Joseph Leedy was a professor at another university who Cope actually, like, I don't want to say apprenticed under this too strong of a word, because he wasn't educated. But he did do some work under him, like goings to some digs and learned some things from Leady early in his career. And so Leady and Cope kind of have some history. Leady Leady is uh like the it's the closest relationship Cope has in his life to like a Jedi and a Padawan. Jeez, that stressed me out. Yeah, and I hate you for it. Just so you know, could chronicles in Narnia reference It's the closest thing to an Aslan and literally any other character. Uh, could you do a Bible reference? It's the closest thing to uh, that's a good question. Jesus literally probably Paul and Barnabas well, well, actually that's actually that actually works there you go, Okay, So no, because Paul and Barnabas they had the breakup. It's true, Joseph. Joseph was getting all the bones Todd Todd, Eddie some stuff. Not all. It's not like the money. Oh I was. I was just looking at the thing last night about like the most a memorable things, and so it was like, this show only has eighteen episodes and its memes are everywhere. Yeah yeah, I think so good. I think they wrote it that way. Oh yeah for sure, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So Joseph had this deal with Ferdinand, you're gonna send me all your bones. Cope goes on the trip and now Cope is just taking the bones and Ferdinand is like, well, I mean you're part of the survey. Now, it's like you're this is what you're here for, So like you get the bones. So like he's talking to Joseph on the phone and Joseph is like, bro, like what's going on in here? And He's liked, well, we got a bone guy, Now like I can't send of the bones. We got a bone guy on the trip with us, So what am I supposed to do? Take the bones from the bone guy? And so the bone boy, we got a bone boy. Yeah, he's not a guy yet. He's too young. You can't call the guy yet. Cope is on this yeah, dig trip tour. They're going to a bunch of different places with Hayden and Leady's upset. Leady's very hurt. I don't know if heard the story word angry. And so Leady and Hayden kind of get together and Hayden. Hayden's a little annoyed too, because he's like, he didn't make this decision. He's like just some some big wig in DC was like, now you got a bone guy. And he's but I had a bone guy but he didn't come. But yeah, you know, And so they set up a plan for him to go to Wyoming, for them all to go to Wyoming to this dig site where there was supposed to be when they run most of the dinosaurs stuff is. They're along the Rockies. The Colorado's got a lot, Wyoming's got a lot, Utah has got a lot, Like it's all that air. Yeah, that side of the country's got a lot, But I don't think that's I don't think you could say most. I think this, well, maybe it is most, there's a lot. I don't know. I don't know where are the are there's dinosaurs other places? Right? Yeah, it's not just there, No, I mean like other continents. Right. Oh, yes, I think so there's dinosaurs on every continent, right, I think so, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, because that's the only thing that would make me be like, maybe my agent is right. Well, I'm not gonna lie when you hear more of the story. Okay, So, uh, they had this trip to Wyoming, and what they do on all their trips is they go on the trip, the two of them. They arrive and then there is contractor they telegrammed yeah that they telegrammed ahead. Leedy is not going, so Fred and Eddie and Eddie. So they go on this trip and and what uh, typically they would do is they would arrive at the dig site and they would have telegrammed ahead and hired a bunch of contractors dig to be the dig guys. And so they show up expecting like carts and tools and shovels and people to help them, and there's nothing there, and Eddie is there by himself. Eddie or Ferdinand doesn't show up, and he's like, oh, I got the wool pulled over my eyes and I've been tricked. I'm here at the dig site alone. Okay. So he says, you know what, good news though, I'm rich. And so he goes into town and he puts together his own ragtag team of dig people to start digging through this dig site, all on his own. And this is when things went from a little fractured between him and Oath to like, we got a problem because he goes into this town and unbeknownst to Eddie, Eddie doesn't know what's happening. He just goes into town and finds some people who were looking for work and hires them. Well, two of these people just happened to be people who are on Marsh's Dictine oath Stick team. Okay, and so Oath finds out about this, and Oath is really upset. He's like, he's like, you're hiring my people to dig your stuff. And he's like, well, first of all, we're on the same team here. We're finding dinosaurs like wild. Second of all, it's just a dude, I like that idea. That was a part of the That was a part of the montage. They went to a screen printing place and like, he's still wearing his cope. Cope hasn't taken his office. He's gained a lot of weight, so it's like it's so tight. Yeah, and and Oath has donated it. Yeah, He's like, yeah, yeah, we are yeah closet. He sees some kid walking down the street wearing it and he's like, where did you get that? Kill that kid? Kill that kid? And he's like, you I iRED you. You're I'm your boss. You have to do what I tell you. And he's like, I'm not gonna do that. No, do you want to get paid? I guess I guess I got the posis all right. So Marsh was furious. Oath was really really upset. Yeah, and so he he uh calls up his employees and he's like, what the heck are you doing working for Eddie? And he's like, first of all, we thought you guys were friends. Second of all, we were trying to infiltrate his rags sure and find his secrets and deliver his secrets to you and sabotage his plans, and Oath was like, no, you weren't. You're lying to me right now. And so this was kind of the turning point that began the Bone Wars. Okay, and so in eighteen seventy two, the relationship between Eddie and Earth had completely soured. There's no going back from this, right, They're not friends anymore. And so the two of them and then Leady also Joseph Leedy, is all over the West and they are all traveling around finding dinosaurs and ancient mammal bones and discovering them for the first time, naming them, and they're they're having a lot of success. Cope and marsh are two main characters. They discovered the Brontosaurus, the stegosaurus, the all the sources, the triceratops. Those are like three of the most noteworthy ones that you would would know. I wouldn't give me what I would to know. We're running out of time, No, we're not. We've got plenty of time here. Cope one day he discovers a marine dinosaur. And when he discovers this dinosaur, he's looking at it and he's trying to put the bones together, because that's part of what they do they find a pile of bones. They got to figure out how do these bones work? And so they stick them all together like it's like a puzzle, right. And so he's looking at this and he says, this dinosaur. This here, here's a picture of it. He looks at it and he says, this most fish skeleton. What happens with them is you see there's the long side is usually their tail. Yeah, And so he organized it this way where the head was on the short side of this skeleton. He publishes this, and then marsh sees it and he says, something's wrong here. And he says, I think I can tell. I can tell immediately something's wrong here. So he says the long side is actually the head and the short side is the tail. And so he switches it and he publishes this and says, Eddie Cope is an idiot. Look what he did. He put the tail the head on the tail. What a knitwet. That's exactly an exact quote. And uh, this one doesn't look real to me. You don't think this is real? No, I mean I look at it, I'm like, what could that be? Ready? For real? I just use my eyes first of all, I mean, first of all, I looked at it and that's not real. Come on, hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things I Learned last night. If you're here and you're a little shocked because you've been watching ASMR videos all night and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick and join back in the ASMR. One thing that would help us a lot, and the algorithm is if you left some comments or some reviews if you're on the podcast app. We'd really appreciate that and it would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. But if not, and you're just here trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. But here's another advertisement. And so this permanently affected Edward Cope's credibility. Yeah, people were immediately like, oh, yeah, this guy didn't go to college and he's here and we're ascribing a bunch of archaeological finds to him, being like, yeah, he's finding all these dinosaurs. But this guy doesn't know what he's doing. And this other guy O'thaniel. He's a professor at Yale, and the professor at Yale he believes in science. This other guy believes in Neo Larkin Lark is in the Neo kin Marks Neil Lincoln logger uh. And so he Eddie is now in this situation where he's like, I have this like lapse in my credibility. He is now trying to move as quickly as possible to discover as much as possible, to be able to ship and publish these discoveries before o'thaniel can get to them, right. And so he is almost weekly sending out telegrams from things he's digging up. And when you rush your work, you do bad work. Episodes are terrible. Othaniel takes a different approach o'thaniel. I'm just gonna wait to see what he puts out, and just the body be like, yeah, this guy's dumb. Othanel takes a different approach. He hires a militia, okay, and he says, we're gonna kill Eddie. No, he hires this militia, and he says, if we take this militia, and this is I want to be clear, not great. If we take this militia into because this is this is the eighteen hundreds. The United States doesn't own a lot of this land, yet this is still happening. And so and we go into suite territory. We can with our militia create agreements with the native tribes. And here he is on a photo shoot with a tribal leader creating agreements where they would show them where all the bones were. And so he kind of found like a cheat code to discocrat these a little bit quicker. And so she's got these guides guiding him through to find the location of all these bones. And then he then has one further good idea. He says, wait, instead of instead of going to find all these digs, He's like, I don't have to go. He's like, He's like, let me just hire people and send them and then they can send them back to me. So he ends up with a team of four hundred and eighty Holy count across the west on all these dicks, being led by native tribal leaders who know the land, like guides who are giving them through all these places, and he is finding stuff left and right, and Cope is getting frustrated because Cope like every time he shows up, Oath had already got there. Yeah, And they both had adopted this practice of if the other one was there, it's theirs. No. Very opposite the idea was the practice they had adopted was kind of like a side Oh you work for that guy, kill that guy. It was kind of like a scorched earth policy. So basically they would do the dig and then they would blow it up after they got everything they wanted. So if they they they would dig as much as they could, then there would be bones left over and they would be like, I don't want the other guy to get it, so I'm going to put a bunch of TNT in this pit and blow it all up. And so if I can't have it, no one can. Cool And so Joseph is that feels pretty I just hate sometimes I hate humans in that way where it's just like, all right, well you just destroyed so much history, yeah, and our ability to science than they got a win. So the uh COPE is starting to kind of lose a lot of ground to Marsh because Marsh's got a lot more resources than him at this point, and Cope is blown through cash trying to do all this. So he actually starts a company that's like prospecting silver on the side. So like every time he would show up, he'd have his prospectors. He'd be like, go find some silver and they'd be like, I don't think it really works that way, and he's like, it works that way, It works that way. Yeah, So they were finding just a bunch of rocks. He's like, look at silver, and then he try to sell and they're like, that's not silver. And then they'd be like, don't ever come to my pond shop again. Okay, And so the best I can do is twenty six heads, And so Cope starts sending in all these like incomplete fossils and bones that were incorrectly put together. Yeah, and interestingly, and I don't know why this was such a big deal, uh bones or new dinosaurs that he named wrong. And I don't understand like a name wrong, like that name wrong. This is an actual quote from an argot Charlotte wrong. It's a wrong name. So this is actually, tell your names, by the way, I'm going to steal all of them. They This is an actual quote from like the Smithsonian about it. It says, as it turned out, many of Marsh's names were valid, while none of Copes were. I don't know what that means. What that means. I think it's because like they have like the the like genus and family that they named them in and so I think there was like an actual like convention that these people were following naming stuff. I think, I don't really know what that means. But this further humiliates Cope, Like he's getting really frustrated about the really the fact that he's in this field that he's interested in but doesn't know enough about to really like be proficient. And I guess sure, so he starts arguing for a new plan of classification that would discard all of Marsh's names and make all of Marsh's names wrong and instead make all of his names correct. And it's like, but what if we named a different then all of mine would be correct and all of his would be wrong. And everyone's like, yeah, that's if we change, and so uh, this got to a situation where it was just constant blowing up of bones, arguing with each each other, discrediting each other's fines, shipping in new bones, and trying to see who could could find the most stuff. And it got to such a heated point where they were publishing so much Cope Cope. If the Bone Wars were who could publish more scientific articles, it would be Cope. He published fourteen hundred articles in his life. Wow. But it got to the point where every scientific journal of the day banned both of them from publishing articles because they were like, you guys, you guys are just competing with each other and you're not actually looking for real science. Yeah. They were like, you're doing too much and all your articles are so annoying and whiny and we're tired of reading them. All your names are dumb, All of your names are dumb. Yeah, that's pretty much what their articles are. Like. They would they would immediately write a response article to each other, and then they would write a response to the response and or response to the response, and it was like, this is just it was like a Facebook common battle. Yeah in the eighteen in the scientific hundreds. Yeah, and they get banned from these scientific journals because of it. We're not going to know, I'm not going to And that's where it needs to go. We need to have somebody approving your Facebook comments, you know what I'm saying. And you know what, that would be a good system for social media. Anybody, just somebody else has to either approve or deny your comment. Literally anybody, literally, anybody. Yeah, that's actually pretty good. Yeah, you type it and then someone can go this does not need to be on the internet. This should go away. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. I mean it's somebody's job to watch all the stuff that's on the Internet that's like, this shouldn't be here, this shouldn't be here. I don't know if I would say, watch, there's there's an algorithm that delivers some that flags some stuff. And then someone says, and then someone gets to the side that's what I'm saying. Someone doesn't mean I guess you. I guess yeah. At some point there's somebody's job who's like, I'm not watching it. I'm the manual review guy. Yeah, I guess that's true. We should, we should, we should get flagged by the YouTube stuff and just send them a little just say little hey, Hey, we're trying to get published in a scientific journal. YouTube short that was just like vaccines cause autism. Hey, now that you're here, I just want to say thank you so much for the work you're doing in policing the disinformation that's available on Thankful for you. We appreciate you so special. Thank you so much. Also, if you would like to support us on, you can go to a taxidermymouncle dot com and sign up today slash Venetian looking for today where we see someone in the discord pop in and say, hey, hey, I saw I'm the mailing review guy on YouTube. Thanks for that note. I did deny it. I did turn that one down for sure, but I'm here. There you go, So it's yeah, whatever, it's that's our getting strategy is one person at a time. We could get one person in this discord. We'll leave the ninety nine for the one. I got to hurry up. I got a haircut today and I don't want to be here anymore. Okay, Well, here's the thing. Uh this fit off. I am kind of good. What happened. What happened? What happened. We're pretty close. But they continue doing this for the rest of their life until Eddie bankrupts himself doing it. Oh geez, spends all the money he has, and uh, Marsh on the other hand, never runs out of money because he's making enough money. He's making enough enough money, he's got a big enough name for himself, and he's got it like this huge operation running at this point, so he's able to continue doing it. So at the end of the day Oath ends up winning the war, but they both had a valiant effort. Eddie discovered fifty six dinosaur species for the first time and named them incorrectly, so they got renamed. But he still discovered. But he discovered fifty six species. Sure Marsh discovered eighty new species, so he won the war. He won. Here's what's crazy though, Before this, it took a guess how many dinosaur species do you think we had discovered before this? I want to say not a lot. I want to say like five, that's a good guess. It was twenty seven thousand. I'm kidding. Nine there was only nine species discovered. Really, what were the first nine? I actually don't know. I don't know. Do we have a way of finding out or we just just sit here in mystery? Should we just sit here in wander Should we sit here and go huh, that's a good question. Maybe we'll look that up at a different time and then you listening on your commute right now, we'll never know because you won't remember to look it up. Or can we use the device in front of us, God's gift to us through the internet and maybe find out? Okay, this is the first one. Discovered was in sixteen seventy seven in Europe, so that's okay, question, Yeah, they are other places, and it was a guy by name Robert Plot that was what they called the dinosaur. You named that wrong, That's a human name. But I'm saying, like, what was the first like named Megalosaurus because like the freaking like Tyrannosaurus rex head is a wild find. Yeah, you know saying yeah. The second to be discovered was the Iguanadon. Okay, so wait, what is the name was the first one? We don't have any images of what that would look like. I bet we do. The first one was Megalosaurus Megalosaurus skeleton bones, yeah, and the second one was the Iguanadon. Judging by the looks of this, it's not real. I don't think I have a skeleton, Okay, but because I'm I mean, I guess I could have like megal skeleton, but I'd rather look at this statue of it is a statue. Yeah, I think this is in like a small town in Tennessee or something. I bet that's just what it That's just what it looks. It just looks like, Yeah, this looks like that one town where we saw that dragon. This is a mess. That's certainly an option. Oh this looks like an alligator head glued onto a lion and then covered in scales. Oh, I've seen iguana dons before. Yeah, in real life. But like remember that movie. It was like The Land Before Time, but it was three D animated and wasn't as good. It's called dinosaur. Yeah, actually it was just called dinosaur. Yeah, you were that movie about dinosaurs. It was what was it called? What what are they here? Yeah? Yeah, this is the iguanadon, is it? This is? This is from the movie Dinosaur. You pulled us still from the Okay, yeah, when did they discover the t rex? Let's find out, because I'm saying, like the skull of a t rex is undeniably a dinosaur. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, unless they pay per macheade it okay? Uh oh? Edward Cope, Edward discovered discovered the Yeah he named it. Yeah, he didn't name it wrong. What do you name it? He named it? Okay, he named it man O spoon dialis gigas. Yeah, he's stupid. Yeah, that's just a t rex. That's just a bunch of sounds. You just made. Man manas Spooner giggle like, Okay, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. Why don't we go with Tarannosaurus Rex? That is that explains so much about this. Let's put that on a shirt though. The Man of Spoon deals gigas, Yeah, that's pretty great. Man of Spoon gigs And it's just like the like coolest like t Rex, like for sure, like it's like those wolf t shirts t Rex. Yeah. The Man of Spoon like this like really cool font like really the classic Park font. Oh that's better my Creed font, but Jurassic Park fonts better. Man of Spoon deal, This geek is, Oh my gosh. I was thinking like maybe like a baby's new or like a yeah, you're naming that wrong right now, you're just saying sounds, or maybe like a how do you say it? Monsteryrah monserrat, that's how I always say that. That guy kind of fun. I heard some kids at we're just talking coffee shop. We got to hurry up. I heard some kids at a coffee shop this week, uh talking fonts. Yeah, And she was like she was like, I think I'm supposed to use They were talking about like a homework cane and she was like. She was like, I think I'm supposed to use a rile. That's what she said. And I was like, what did you just say? You said that to a kid, confronted you for confronted. I was like, you said, hey, you idiot, what did you just say? Hey, big old dog? Don no, we're a friend. Luckily your friend was like what And she was like, she was like a rile and she was like a times in the world. At least you know what You're like, here's here's a picture of the t rex that he found. We're gotta be done with this stupidest joke. That's dumbest saying you've ever done. That's a motto spooned the audio listener. It's a it's a halloween costume of a of a t rex. It's a pretty good one. We have an actual picture of what he found, because I'd be interested in that. I mean, I don't know what he found. We know what t rex look like there, I know, but like, do we have any pictures of his dig site? It was it was cameras existed then, right, I don't think so, Okay, we do have I mean, I know cameras existed then we have those black white photos. Also, We've talked about this on the show before. I cannot get over how creepy it is that people would just have their dead kids and pictures. What people would have their dead children in pictures and family photos? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not creepy. That is super creepy. So we've got this. I think this is the gums and the teeth of a t rex that he found. I mean, I guess they're not gums anymore. It's just they the bomb. But this is what Cope found. I guess. Oh interesting, So it is it is just like three t rex teeth and like the top part of the jaw is what he's got, and that we just put that stuff together and we said and then we were like, this is a t rex, you know, and that's made up. I will say. I will say this did kind of bring into question for me this competition between these two because there definitely was like a one upmanship and there definitely was like there's a there was a there's plausible reason for them to fake some stuff here, Yeah, to beat each other. Why is the tip of the teeth black because it's cooler that way. It's so much cooler, Like that's so cool. But well, I think that's kind of like like dog claws the tips of them turned black. The cats do that, I don't think, No, some of them. Yeah, like my dog, she's got like or white or clear or whatever, and then the tips turn black. Okay, what's it? I think it's blood in them. I think I don't know. I don't know where that is. I think, so maybe my teeth are black. You're just sick. You should go to the hospital. No, But so there's like a there's there's plausible Yeah, most of the most of their fines, though, have been corroborated by other paleontologists. Now though, Okay, so I think like if it was just that. I think that's the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories like that. Like if you look at if you scope in really tight on something like this, you're like, oh, I see how this could be faked. But if you widen your view a little, you're like, oh, okay, yeah this has been corroborated. So yeah, yeah, anyways, that's all I gotta say about this. Okay, oath one, if you want, go ahead and say I won in the comments. Okay, we can fiddle that one off. 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Hey, this is thing that wearing last night. This week's episode is about Rudolph Diesel, who created the Diesel engine. It's a really great episode about his backstory and how he created it what it is, and then also some conspiracies about what happened to him in the end of his life. So interesting topic. I like it a lot. You'll love this episode. This weekend, i am in San Angelo, Texas, you know, the crappy part of Texas. And then I'm in Bloomington, Indiana, the crappy part of Indiana. And then next weekend I'm in the worst part Idaho, Cordilane. So if you like stand up, if you like laughing and stuff, you're gonna like my shows. And also this episode, so you're gonna learn some stuff and we're gonna laugh a little bit. So anyway, anything else you want to add? Started? Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Rudolph Diesel? Yeah, yeah, I have. He gathered around the North Pole and he said, this is for family. I saw your eyes. Think of that joke? I haven't. I've been studying this guy for weeks and I'm not thought of that joke until I connected with your eyes and it was like you saw it coming together. It was like our brains. You saw Scientia racing for pinks in the sled right and rout of find a body transam just off a mountain and went to a plane. It's like rolling through the air. Everybody's everybody else in the cars, like Dasher and Dancer in the backseat. Just god, we caught so many fish. The guy told us to throw in the boat. We told this guy into the boat. We're like, there's no room in the boat, but there's a manger out back. Hey, guys, make sure to smashed that. Like but like looking around the room, you're like, you did the education. I do the good bits things I learned last night. Brains are in Vixen and they're like, why are we flying? We can do that? Why why are we driving? I would just get out of this car. We in the guards so much more dangerous for really don't know, Like our legs are don't work in these Yeah, our legs are so awkward. This is not a right animate You who didn't think reindeer were real? Who was I talking to that? They were like, wait, are real animals? Definitely wasn't me. Man felt like it was you they seemed dumb, like, but yeah, I've seen that movie. It seemed on your level. Yeah, interesting, Yeah, well it wasn't me. Yeah. So Rudolph Diesel was born in March eighteenth, eighteen fifty eight. He was not the reindeer. Different Rudolph speaking of eighteen fifty eight. Yeah, well probably a few years after that. We're going to a theme park that's based in the eighteen hundred, eighteen hundred. Yeah, it's called Silver Dollars Dollars City, and it's in Branson, Missouri. You if you don't know where that is, ask your grandma and still alive. If you don't know, I'm sure we've said it a lot. I'm sure you'll hear mid rolls for it, you know, but we really want to make sure you know about it. It's gonna be a lot of fun. May eighteenth, twenty twenty four. We're going back into May eighteenth, eighteen o four hundreds. It's it's it's ambiguous. It's yeah, purposely vague, because there's some things that make you think it's, you know, early eighteen hundreds, and other things that are like this is this is eighteen ninety nine century at the Yeah, yeah, where Yeah, it's a great park. We're gonna ride, ride, run the whole show century. Yeah, that's gonna be a lot of fun. It's fun. So come out. You're welcome. You're invited. Bring a friend, you're invited. Tell someone come and see, go and see. All right. He was born in March eighteenth, eighteen four year for our best year. Yeah, remember when you were on staff at the Mega church. I do, and that sucks. It was really hard for me, was it. Yeah? It wasn't fun in talking to you back then. Yeah, yeah, we wanted staff had a mega church once. Yeah, and there was a reason that I wasn't anymore. No, I'm just kidding. I love mine. I was great. I just had to move. You think mine wasn't anyway, May eighteen, twenty twenty four. Okay, So he was born in March eighteenth, eighteen fifty eight in Paris, France. It was from German descent, though, Okay, and his family did an interesting thing when right after he was born that I don't know if it is allowed. It his eighteen fifties, so it might have been allowed in the eighteen fifties, but they said, hey, what if there was this local farmer family, and you live with them for like nine months, and so they I don't think it was like, hey, you keep them for nine months. It was like, hey, you can have this kid. And then he spent his first nine months of his life from my son now with his farmer family. And then nine months later his family showed back up and was like all right, I think we want him now. Uh. It's basically like, did you train him out a sit? Did you teach him broken? He broke him in there? All right, we'll take him back. Yeah, it was. It was a freaking trainer. It was a baby trainer that they took him to that got tim so good, and then he's like freaking treats and then rolls over. He does all the tricks. That's like a there's a never mind, so talk about that video game kid. No, there was a there was a commercial recently where they did that with a like the baby in the Oh no, it was a movie. It was a movie, The babyby Yeah. That was a good anyways, Fast and Furious seven where one of the babies got freaky Friday with the dog dog Like, this is a weird side story. Freaky Friday is a verb that's a fun time. So he went back home and lived with his family for a few years. Did you watch the what was it called the Vince Vaughan Killer movie? Maybe? I feel like it was like Freaky Friday the thirteenth or whatever it's called. It's like, that's essentially essentially what happened was they sat around They're like, what movie do whant I make next? And someone went Freaky Friday the thirteenth, and someone's okay, so it's a knife killer, but they've got Did you see that movie? No? What was it called? It was? Actually it was funny. It was good. Vince Vaughn plays a killer who stabs his victim, the girl, and then they get Freaky Friday, and so now the girl is in this old guy's body, and then the girl this is old guy to you, I'm looking at you. And then the girl is the killer. Yeah. Yeah, and so Vince Vaughn has to go to his friend his high school. But friends, it's like, guys, no, seriously, it's me. It's a very funny plot. I thought it was pretty well done. That's pretty good. That is back in time. No, no, no, no, that one you're thinking of is a different I was just about to bring it up. No, no, no, okay, okay, wait, Alex, do you know what I'm talking about? Am I crazy freak future? Okay? So, no, Vince Vaughn is in a movie. I don't remember what it's called. Sorry about that. This is really bad promotion. But there's another movie which straight up is Back to the Future where her mom's friend was killed when when she was in high school. Oh oh yeah, I told you this one. Yeah, that one, that one. That one was fun too interesting. I don't remember what either of them are called, but they were fun movies. Yeah. Back to the murders, Yeah, back to the murders and the I do know what it was brought to you by. Okay, So he gets he gets picked back up by his family slashing prices. We're slashing prices. And your neighbor Bryce, We're slashing prices. That's a Brice. It's a Bryce slicer right there. All right, speaking of slicers, the other night, I experienced a horror movie in real life. I've been waiting to tell you this, and I so got that. Rudolph Diesel was born on Large eighteenth. No no no, no, no, no no no. I fell asleep on my couch watching a documentary huh. And I woke up probably like ten thirty ish to give or take. And so I wake up. I'm like, oh, I got got it that I'm kind of I let the dogs out start kind of like cleaning up and getting ready for bed, you know, And I hear my dogs like barking bloody murder outside. They were barking the word bloody murder. It's like, who thought of that? That farmer I left? Dude, alex Is. I could literally feel Alex in there typing like, oh my gosh, man stupid. The last episode was long, and he's like, this episode is not going to be long. It's what it says it's gonna be. We're in for a long one. So I gotside of the dogs are barking like crazy. I get outside, and I hear the sound of a guy talking like and so like, I get outside and I walked over to my fence so I could like see over the fence and see what's going on. There's a guy at the end of the block, and it's night and so it's dark, so I can't standing in the street lamp, I can't see like, I can't see him clearly, Like I see his silhouette, you know, like it's like that kind of dark. It's a what was it? It was like a waxing crescent that night, so like it wasn't a bright moon. But was it the night that David Copperfield made the moon disappear? I looked up, So take it, David. I gotta see that guy, David. This is I gotta say. So. This guy's at the end of the block and he's walking down the block and the best he's wearing oversized shirt, overside pants and the ends of them are like, I mean, the best way to describe more rags, Like they're raggy and like I can tell like they're like longer than his wrist, you know, Okay, And he's walking down and he is talking like normal volume. He's not like shouting or yelling or even like he's not there raising his voice at all, just talking normal volume. And his voice is nineteen's fifties dad voice. And you know what I mean, like like transatlantic that kind of like like like the dad from a Christmas story. Like that's how he's talking. It's like I want a major award. I can't do the voice, but you know, what I mean I want? Yeah, yeah, that kind of voice, like that's how he's talking. And he's saying Ron, Ron, here boy, Ron and clapping but like not like but it's not like you know, when people are looking for their dog. Ron, that's too much, that's too dog like. Like it was. He was very Ron, Ron, come me boy. Yeah, but it was nineteen fifties dad, And it was like it's just very ominous the way, and it was very quiet, like it wasn't like he was. It was too quiet for someone looking for their dog. And he walks what did you do? He walks all the way down the block and passed my house and like down another block and then turns around and walks all the way down this back down the block, the whole time saying Ron, Ron, come here boy, in that exact same cadence every time, probably said it a hundred times, exact same cadence, and goes all the way back down and walks down and then rounds that corner. And I'm going to be honest with you, that man died sixty years ago, and I am so confident, and he's just wandering the neighborhood, yeah, looking for Ron. And Ron is not a dog. It's not a dog. Na. What I think probably happened was that he was just walking in the neighborhood. One of your neighbors saw him and was like, Ron, come your boy, Ron, come your boy. And then he went, Ron, give me a boy, and like picked it up. You said something, he would pick it up, had you like, man, I wish I would have tried that. Yeah, I would have been like, I have a bomb. I have a bomb. He's a parrot, I have a bomb. Yeah. So I took the dogs inside pretty hurriedly, and then the dogs started saying dogs like Ron, coury boy. You know what this made me think a more interesting story. Freaked me out. Man, I thought they were gonna kill me. You thought that guy was gonna kill you? Yeah, they were. There's a couple of them. Well, it's like the guy I told you that yelled at the fire truck and stuff. But I was at the grocery store. I told you about this out of here. I think I called you. Think we were on the phone when it happened. Where a guy was walking through the grocery store parking lot a couple of weeks ago, and like he was just like, you're holding hurry up, like streaming, and there's just no one there. But he's having a full conversations. He's like, come on, no, seriously, let's go interesting. So maybe hear me out. Same guy, their state's apart, same guy, different dimension. No, no, no, no, oh, they're talking to each other. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is Ron. Yeah where I live. Ron's over there. They are our connection interesting because we're so far apart, connected through our connection, through our connection. Yeah, because it was a it was like it was a crescent moon, right, yeah, it was a waxing cres waxing. Yeah. I don't know, that's crazy. He's pretty spooky to me. He was pretty likely. What was the moon like the night that Rudolph Diesel died? Rudolph Diesel. Okay, So he goes back to his family and they along. Story short. They live in Paris, the frank Oprussian war starts, they have to move to London. They get this place to London, and while they're there, he decides, uh, his family decides, you should live in with your aunt and uncle in Augsburg, and so they moved him to in one little flight and they got scared and said, you're moving with your auntie and uncle and Oxford Augsburg, Augsburg, Augsburg, thank you. And they sent him to college and he gets a scholarship. He wants to study engineering, and his parents are pretty upset about that. They say, we don't think you should do that. We think you should be My favorite business is a stunt man. Exist back then, I'm gonna hate deep. I don't know, I'm just throwing stuff war right now. Your job is to inform. My job is to do silly little gags. Your job is to educated stunts in the family. Yeah, So he wants to go study engineering and his family's upset about that because what about the stunts that would make you That's what I'm saying. That was like that would make you too rich? You know, like why would you be upset about that? Like if your kids, like I want to go be a lawyer and you're like, no, we own sonic drive ins and you're going to run them, and why would you want to hold your you know? Yeah, they believed in farming, okay, and so I think this I think there was I think this was an interesting time in history because this was when farmers were rich, and so farming was his career being a doctor being an engineer. That was new and that was it was kind of like the YouTubers farmers and doctors were with doctors and YouTube like I want to be a doctor and you're like, shut up, dude, that's a stupid dream that's never going anywhere. Like what are you going to do with that? And now it's like doctors are rich but in the same thing YouTuber. That's why when I go to my doctor's office, he comes in, he's like, hey, guys, make sure to smash that like budd and you're like looking around the room. You're like, don't see. You can tell me anything and no one will know. It's called confidentiality. That's a great YouTube channel. Chle you guys, confidentiality. Hey guys, welcome to the Doctor's Confidentiality. Here's another recap of all the stuff I did this week. No, it's no, it's it's a hitting camera show. Oh no. I like the idea of a doctor giving a recap of his week, but he can't tell you. So he's like, here's on Monday, on Tuesday, went to sushi for lunch, and uh on Wednesday, if you know, you know next week on another doctor recaps you know. He's like, I can't tell you. So he goes on to engineering. He graduates. It's a great TikToker time. I'm gonna start that. Hey guys, I'm a therapist, but I'm not allowed to tell you what I talked about. But you know, this week I had a client who and then I muted, mute it, mute the whole thing. Yeah, they were sad about stuff. It's pathetic, all right. So eighteen eighty he graduates with a degree in engineering and he gets a job working on a refrigeration plan. At this job, he starts working with steam engines and he gets obsessed with engines, which is like a lot of sh she jump to the interesting stuff first, dude, trains, right, I kind of, I guess, yeah, let's do it. So he starts working on He develops an engine that works with ammonia vapor, which sounds like probably a bad idea, Like everything I know about ammonia is like, you don't want that vapor. I think, I don't know. And so it did blow up in a test run and killed him, And that's the whole story, all right. No, it nearly killed him. He was in the hospital for months. I mean he had lifelong health issues and I sight issues because of that. I don't know if hospital and he looked at his parents they're over here, and he's like, I'm sure you guys are glad for doctors now, huh. And he got out of the hospital and he can't see at all. He's looked at the wrong way, and his dad's like, his dad's like, hey, if I train you how to do stunts, you could be a superhero. Now this accident, let's do it. Let's let's do it. What do I got to lose? And so he is, like I said, obsessed with engines, and he's strongly believes he's like, he's like, engines inefficient, they're i mean better than horses and stuff. But like there's a theoretical level of where this can we do train racing back in the day. This is actually a real question. I'm kind of I don't wondering, but it seems like they would, right, I don't know why they would like drag race, they would engines. So you're saying, you're saying a situation where you've got a racetrack for trains. Oh no, no, no, no, I'm saying a drag race. You got to two tracks next to each other. Can we do NASCAR trains, NASS train train, NASH train, I guess where it's. Yeah, it's just you got those two steam engines. You know you can't. You know, it be really a slow sport. But yeah, but if you got if you got like bullet trains, it would honestly be kind of fun. You know. The more I think about it, the more I kind of like this idea. I like trains, Dude, I don't think they did it. I'm a big am track guy. I was trying to get us trains to out. Maybe I'll get you that for your birthday. Maybe you can train out to Los Angeles. I'm not all the day to l A. You know how long that would take. It's thirty four days, thirty four hours. Jeez, it's a long ride. Yeah, but you go to private bedroom. Yeah, but you're you're the train guy. I love trains. I'm not a train guy. No, No, you would like what I like. No, you like what I like? What I like? Doug, No, No, you like if I like it, you have to like it to you like it. That's how best friends. That's how Yeah, that's how this works. We like the same. It's our thing. Okay, wei should got counseling. I'm pretty mad you do that with your wife but not with me. Hey, thanks for checking out our show. If you like it and you want to support be a part of what we're doing here, you can do that by becoming a patron. What happens there is you get to be in the community. We have a discord with our hosted producers. We have a lot of fun. We're super active and there every day. You get access to add free content a week before everybody else. And we have a zoom every month with our patrons. We hang out, we eat pizza, We get to know you a little bit better. It's a blast, and there's a ton of other different benefits like merch discounts, birthday messages, things like that that are super cool. If you want to be in that, you can just text tillin to six six eight sixty six and that'll get you right in there. If not, we're just super glad that you're here and thanks for watching our show. So Diesel, Diesel, Diesel knew about this thing called the Carno cycle. Carnot cycle. I don't know what can you do? The education I do the good bids so stupid. Okay, so the car car, no cycle, carnate cycle. I'm not sure. It's the theoretical limit of how efficient an engine could be. And it was developed like the early eighteen hundreds, okay, and so from zero to one hundred percent, is this like one hundred percent the limit? It's as efficient as could possibly be. Steam engines came in at a ten percent and so not very efficient, and at the time even lower, like the the peak of steam engines with ten percent when he was working on was like four percent. So they're not very efficient engines because it takes a lot, like if you're steam engineing, like you need an engine to produce the steam to then use the steam to actually move the engine right, and then you've got dudes that are throwing all the coal and like really hot in the bottom of the Titanic. You know, Yeah, that that was the problem. You're saying like physically like like their temperature hot. Are you saying like hot? Guys? Do that? I mean it's both, don't You can't move it without getting hot. That's that's the I was gonna say modern day that is the pre modern day CrossFit that is pretty crossfitting. Can we started get ripped? Dude? Just freaking go work on a steam track work at the time. Leg were you're looking Jack lately? What do you you? I don't know, man. I eat a lot of protein. And also I shovel coal into a steam engine. So you know, it is one of my lifelong dreams to drive the train at Serdar City, Like I want to get boiler experience. Do you have to have boiler experience? Because like the guys, it's a real steam engine. I didn't know that. Yeah, and so it's like, yeah, the guys who were operating the steam engine know how to do steam stuff. That's probably why I don't know. They don't let me do it yet because I call it steam stuff. You're so steamy, guys. Let me join the steam team to be a steamer. Can we ask if I can? Yeah, this was gonna say. I was like, why did you ask that? Can we be in the They'll probably let us in right Oh dude, I know you're listening right now. Can I please? Can I please be in the snow conductors allowed? Just me let me take the train. No one's allowed in here but me. No. I feel like there's a safety issue. I feel like they can't let me in the adine. I don't know we can ask all right, it's like Jesus take the wheel. But it's fel like we should have demands, but we like we make like, you know, we do the negotiating thing where we put like six of them where it's clearly not going to happen. Yeah, you know, let me standing on top of the roller coaster. That's clearly not gonna all right, We'll let you cut that one out. You know, I'm saying, yeah, give me a ten percent stake in the company. Well, clearly that's not gonna happen. All right, Fine, but I get to be in the engine of the steam. And they're like, okay, yeah, I mean, of all the domains you've made, that's probably probably the most realistic we can grant that one. That's a good idea. That's a good idea. He meets a guy by the name of von Lynd who owns a corporation that builds stuff. Yeah, and so he goes there and he starts researching this Carno cycle and how he can build a more efficient engine. The first kind of addition to that was he the aemonia vapor engine. Uh, And long story short, it led to him being able to develop this theoretical engine that he published a paper to go with it that was supposed to be super efficient. Sure, and as a result of that that paper, accompany by the name of Machine in Fabric Augsburg called him up and was like, hey, you want a job, And he's like, I got a job, and they're like, I got a better job. And so basically they hired him to come just develop this engine, okay, and they're like, your whole job is to come and test and build this engine to make it a real thing. So he worked there from eighteen ninety three to eighteen ninety seven and he emerged with the diesel engine. That makes sense, Yeah, And so this engine was a very significant engine because if you don't know how a diesel engine works, a normal engine, what happens, So a normal engine, what happens is the fuel mixture comes into the end of the piston, and you've got that the fuel in the air mixture. The piston fires and moves and compresses your fuel air mixture. A spark plug ignites it and then and that spark makes it explode, fires the piston back down and it moves the exhaust out, and that exhaust makes everything move, and that's how a traditional engine works. So there's a lot of kind of components that are moving in there. In a diesel engine, it starts similar You have the fuel air mixture that pumps in the piston, begins at a lower state and then compresses it and actually, instead of a spark igniting it, it just compresses it so much that it ignites. And so it's just a ridiculous amount of compression that blows up the mixture and then it just goes straight into the exhaust. So you're taking a component out of the cycle. And you have to use a specific kind of fuel with this to cogn that work, and that fuel allegedly is less flammable, and so like you can't just like cut catch up fire. It's not supposed to explode on its own. Like gasoline right just blows up. Sometimes, yeah, smoke near it. The amount of people who smoke at gas stations is pretty bonkers. It is insane, Like, hey, I get that you don't care about your life, but I care about mine. Which it's wild because the amount of people who smoke anywhere else is really low. Now like, yeah, like think of it, like, oh, go away from me at my favorite bars and my favorite restaurants. Give me one place that I can still do. And you're like, okay, I hear you, I understand, but like the gas station is not the one place, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is insane that you say that about public parks or preschools. Honestly, either of those are better than the gas station. No, those kids are gonna blow up. I don't think they are. What are you made? What are you made of? Kid? You've seen the diesel monster truck? Are they not normally diesel? No? Really, that's kind surprizing. Those are huge engines, engines. Yeah, but semi trucks are diesel. Those are okay. No, these are like muscle car via like engines. These are huge. You've been to a mustruct show. No, we've talked about this before. I wanted to go yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, freak yeah, okay, but this year not this year. A couple of years ago, Monster Jam introduced a d soel and I'll be honest with you, it's not as efficient as the other ones. It's not really Definitely was cool, really yeah, because I mean, well, first of all, monst trucks are loud, yeah, I mean like loud yeah. And then this one's just like and you're like, sounds like you sound like a dentist, you know you, and you're like, did get out of here? Man? Do you like watch monster truck realies? Like? I know you've been to them, but do you like watch them like on TV? Bro, I'm not gonna lie to you. Some of the highlights are pretty cool. That's the most small town thing you do. Honestly, that's fine. I don't care if I'll be honest with you. If that's the most white trash thing about me, I'll take it. That's fine. I guess that's fine. Yeah, monster trucks are cool. First of all, Everyone comment and talk about how cool monster trucks are. And if you don't know, like I get that. It's one of those things like you you see videos of it and you're like, I guess, but like when we go, which we will, Yeah, when you feel those in it's it's cool. Man. Well, okay, it's one of those things that I I wouldn't say. I went to a drag race once and it was it was pretty crazy. Yes, you know, drag races are awesome. It was pretty INtime. Monster trucks even better, huh, because they're just going. Drag races are just going straight forward, you know, and then back, yeah, you know, but the monster straightforward and then rolling. Yeah. And I mean like the drag races too. You got a lot of you got the Westboro Baptists, so you got the people like, ah, we hate this, you know, and cool, you get where I'm going. You get where I'm going. So he is up there. I guess I don't know the difference. No, but monst trucks are pretty honestly, that'd be a way to bridge the gap if they did a I've we've talked about this before. Have we talked about this? Have we not? I don't think we have this the hostal drag race like drag race that would be that'd be cool. Anyways, So he makes this engine. He comes out with it makes the patent people are like, well, this engine's crazy, Like this is a good engine, like a good engine, a good one. And to the point where this engine is operating on the cardinal sale at a seventy five percent efficiency, So they're going from like single digits to seventy five percent efficiency. This is create like changing the market. For reference, most cars on the road today, they have like a maximum expectation that they would be at about a fifty percent efficiency, but they're really only operating like twenty to forty because of emissions and cost, so they like downgrade them, so like twenty to forty percent efficiency. So this is even for today's Standard's like a very efficient engine that he produces, and the market loses their mind. They're like, we need all these engines. Yeah. So he builds a business and he leads his company, builds this business, and he starts producing this engine and producing like licenses for other people to produce this engine as well, and he becomes a millionaire in one year. Cool. And so he's very wealthy man, traveling the world, acquiring patents in countries worldwide, and he kind of becomes like a like an Elon Musk of his time, Like he becomes like this really famous business man entrepreneur that everyone's reading. Also, his name was Rudolph. Is a name that's like needs to make a comeback. I think, yeah, yeah, that's Rudy Rudey. Is that what Rudolph Rudy was short for? Yes? Did he ever mention that in the movie. What do you think it was short for? I just thought it was rudy, rudithy. I didn't think it was short for anything. I just thought it was rudy. No, Rudolph. Did they mention that. Do they say that in the movie? I don't know, but that's usually what it's short. It'd be like, wait, you're telling me tim is short for Timothy? Did they say that in the movie. You're like, no, but it's usually usually short for Timothy, Like most people aren't named just tim because that's stupid. Okay, anyways, so he's traveling around tim. I think you'd be annoyed at that, right, You'd be like, guys, it's Timothy. You would be annoyed at that. Am I not wrong? Not really, honestly, because I don't. I get very uncomfortable with people call me Timothy. Okay, that feels weird, and not even your parents call you that. Yeah, my parents call me tim They called you. Oops. So this isern Come here, Yes, dad, my name is Tim. I don't care. I forgot it long ago. This engine is sweeping, sweeping the globe. He is going to these expos talking about the fuel source because here's the thing. Diesel fuel is not diesel fuel like we think of today. Yes, diesel fuel was at the time vegetable oils. And so he's going to farms and he's being like, hey, you've got a lot of this vegetable oil lying around from when you juice your carrots. My favorite is when I can see your eyes like you're like, you're not going to make it through this, from when you juice your carrots or whatever. You could tell that Tim has no idea how farming works at all. You guys have a lot of this laying around from when you juice your carrots. Se basically, but he's basically telling farmers. He's like, he's like, hey, you can grow your fuel. You don't have to buy it anymore. Farmer's you can have all of our carriage juice. Farmers love it. Gas companies hate him. Okay, And this is different because diesel fuel now is gasoline that's like refined in its special way. But they just recently came out vegetable oil. They just recently came out with biodiesel though, which is like a refined vegetable oil. I just recently brought that back. The oil industry is like, hey, hey, hey, well, so this is big. He's traveling around the country selling this stuff for about ten years. On September twenty ninth, nineteen thirteen, he is on board the s S. Dresden to meet with the Consolidated Diesel Manufacturing Company in London. And this is this is the ship. I got a nice This is a picture. This is a photograph of the ship that looks familiar. And here's here's the guy. Actually, this is him. And here he is with one of his engines, like his first prototype of the engine. Okay, very cool. So this is now ten years later, he's very rich, and he's going to visit a manufacturer in London. In London who is just making his designs. Yeah, well they're not making him yet. So this is a meeting to secure the business. Oh, with depth and now favor already committed to the name of their company. I mean they there. I guess, yeah, I guess. I guess they're like, it was implied we're gonna get it. We're gonna get it, That's what I'm saying. It was implied that they had already been making it. But I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so's he's on his way to meet with them, which you mentioned it. I I do want to acknown this. You mentioned this. This is two years after but he was he did have a ticket on board the Titanic and he didn't board it because he was like late for work that day or something. What was What's he didn't go because he was Michael Jackson not in the you know what I'm talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Like, I know, I think I know what you're talking about, but I have never heard that in my life. Are you googling it right now? Okay? So he was supposed to have a meeting in the building. Oh oh wow, missus meeting. Yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty common story. It's similar what happened for him. He was supposed to be on the Titanic. He had a ticket for the Titanic, but he had an extra meeting that popped on his calendar, so he missed it, missed the exit of the Titanic for that extra meeting. Wow, just to hear that business. Yeah, there's like notes in his diary of him talking about it. He kept a diary. Okay, so we know a lot about him from his diary. Yeah, that's why I keep do when you write in your diary, do you have like a journal? No? Yeah, I don't do that because I don't want people to be able to try stuff to me. So I was talking to my wife about this, because she journals a lot. She journals more than I do. Yeah. Is it one of those journals from like Nickelodeon that has a lock on it? Yeah, and like open, like one of the pages is just full slid. Uh. We're adults shut out tim a fee from a thy So no, is we're talking about that. When you write, there's a part of you that's like what if what if somebody reads this one day? See, like want to sound very dramatic about some things? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've never I did that for a little bit more truly alone, We're never done performing is essentially. What's that? You know, even in your private thought, you're never really letting down that like what if someone reads? Yeah, yeah, that's true. I tried it for a minute. It was like a spiritual thing like journaling. Oh yeah, and then you quit that job of the church and you gave up on all that. No, it was like it was like it was like uh, and you got into your weird special stuff you're into now, I'm sorry, we can cut this. Nineteen thirteen, he's on board the S S Dresident heading to that that manufacturing company that's very bold with the name Yeah, to meet with them. Suddenly the CIA pushes a giant iceberg. What's like, I do it over there with that big piece of ice. It's one guy in a kayak just kayaking the iceberg in the place I was thinking he was on top of it. He was on top of the iceberg. Like, what are those guys in the gondolas called those those stripe shirts? I think they call him and the entire they're called what tractees? Okay? Steering the iceberg into the ship, there's a couple on their honeymoon and he's singing Lo Lo Lo Lo Lo. It's so romantic out here. So Diesel has dinner on board the ship and he returns to his room at about ten PM and he asks for a wake up call at six fifteen am. Why he's waking up that early on board the ship, I don't know. I don't think that had a gym. Yet. You look at that ship and it's you'd be surprised the number of people on cruises who get up and go to the gym in the morning. It's actually it was pretty annoying. Yeah, but I mean like if if if like a modern cruise, sure, but this boat no gym. Even on the modern cruise, I got up and I would go to the gym because I work here. I'm not work right now. Why are you guys here? Yeah? Yeah, you're one of the ship. You're on vacation. Yeah, get out of here. Yeah. You never work out on vacation, I mean va because better than you, my gosh, vacation workouts with the best kind of workouts. Yeah, they're much more relaxing, like they're like yeah because you're why because it's like like if you like a workout during your work week, you're like, I gotta get out of here, I gotta go get stuff done. But that you have nothing, and so you just kind of like you just feeling my vacation. Well, I mean if you do it later in the day, like if you do it like wake up early and like you set the time for it, like it's it's nicer because you don't feel like that tugged like I got to be doing something. I got to be I felt that whenever I was when we did Google last I got up and my cardio in the morning. Yeah, but our days were starting at six am. I know I was good. I was getting up at like four. Yeah, So you still you feel Oh I got great to get out of here. I still feel great. I felt awful that trip because I was not working out and I was eating terribly. We're how bad my voice was because of Medieval Times. Yeah. I actually watched the clip of that the other day and I was like, oh man, I could see it in my face trying to struggle to get the words out. We learned a lesson. Yeah, Medieval Times is an after the event event. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this and you want more of our show, We've got plenty of other episodes. It's one of my favorites. Is Action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers and they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey. It was a wild story, but we did a whole episode about it, and I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. For six fifteen wake up call. At six faceteen, one of the ship mates comes up to his room and finds that it's empty. His bed is made, and it does not look like it's been slept in, like it's currently made. His night shirt is neatly laid out in the bed, which is an old thing. People don't do that anymore. So you just be clear though, six fifteen wake up call with someone coming into your room. I guess there's there no, because there's no phone. Where's it coming to you? Hey? Yeah, what's what's going on? Man? It's six sixteen? No, I said, sixty fifteen. Well, I tried throw them overboard, block the plank. That's the guy right there. That guy. Uh, his night shirt is laid on in the bed, something we don't do anymore. They used to wear nights shirts, shirts and shirts at night. We don't wear shirts after the clock strikes dead. Just in case I got tired of mind RiPP him, I turned into a werewolf. What are you talking about? Shirt? He let his nice shirt, nice and neatly on the bed. His watch was on, so he had never gone to bed. His watch was on the side table, like facing the bed, as if he was like wanting to be able to like just open his eyes and see the time. You know, you know what I'm talking about. And so they were like, where's he at? Is peculiar? Where's the guy that was supposed to wake up? Why isn't he in this room? They look around the ship and near the railing of the ship, at one area of the boat, they find his hat and his overcoat like neatly folded next to the railing of the ship. And so they said, oh, it looks like this guy jumped overboard him all the night. But for what reason? Who knows the motive. Here's strange why he would do that. There's not a note he did in his diary leave a cross on that day, just a picture of a cross, and that was all that was in his diary that at all. Yeah. Cryptic, Yeah, very cryptic. He he did, this is an important detail. He did empty his bank account and then before he left on this trip, he gave his wife a bag and said don't open this until next week and was full of twenty thousand German marks, which is equivalent to about one hundred twenty thousand US dollars today. Okay, And then they didn't find him at first but about a week later, a tug boat was sailing in the same area. I don't know if sailing is the right term for a tugboat tugging the same area, and they found the body. The body like floating, so they pulled it in and they looked at it and they're like, I think that's the guy. That guy that died. Oh my gosh, it's Elon Musk. And so they took some personal effects off him and they threw him back out. It was catch and release. No, they really did that though, because they said they didn't have room on board. Serious, Yeah, they said they didn't have a room on board for a body. So they threw him back in. They took some effects, threw him back overboard. What that's not true. That's one hundred true catch and release to this guy. And they took those personal effects and give him the police, and the police brought him to this Diesel Son and Diesel was like, yeah, this is my dad's stuff for sure, what okay? And so it was ruled as suicide. But there's a lot of questions about it. And he's just still a seed, like they just left him out there. Yeah, they left him just somewhere he's in the ocean somewhere, probably not anymore, but yeah, they just threw him back out there. Yeah, he's probably in your neighborhood. Run Run, Run Run. Here's the thing, there's a lot of people who've got some motives the situation. Okay, obvious oil company, obviously the oil companies. There's the gasoline engine is developing alongside the diesel engine. They were one and the same at the same time building these engines, and they're starting to become pretty competitive with each other, like what's going to be the better one and what's going to be more widely used in the world of engine ing stuff. There was one guy in particular that a lot of people have pointed to as the potential person who could be behind this plot, and it's this man. Do you know who that is? He looks like slender Man's grandpa. Yeah, that's actually pretty accurate. This is John d. Rockefeller. Yeah, that makes sense, and he looks like a killer. Here's the things we know about John D. Rockefeller. One, he was a billionaire. Yeah, depending on who you listen to and what numbers, he might have been a trillionaire. Like adjusted for inflation, he was like the top of the petroleum industry, and so he was selling fossil fuels and things like that, and he got very very very like ungodly rich off of it so much show that he became kind of insane. Something that a lot of people don't remember Rockefeller for was his relationship with the Pinkertons. You know, the Pinkertons are no The Pinkertons were like a private police force that was like nationwide at that time, and he used them a lot, primarily for union busting. And so there'd be yes, okay, his companies that would start to unionize, he would send the Pinkertons and they would literally kill a bunch of people and then they wouldn't unionize, and they'd be like, oh, it was accident, you know. That was the Pinkertons in the warehouse came on fire with those people inside. If only they had safety working conditions. The union should really work on that. The union should do that. It would be good for them to do that for you. They there were I shouldn't say fairly confident, but there's a conspiracy that John Rockefeller was behind a plot with the Pinkertons. A lot of people don't recognize this evs were also happening at this time. They were coming into the market at the same time as the diesel engine and the traditional gas engine. In the early nineteen hundreds. Yes, and there was actually an entire fleet of electronic taxis in New York that were functional and they were driving around New York like transporting people in New York. No one driving, yeah, well it was there's people driving over. They were they weren't at autonomous, yeah, but they were electronic vehicles. I think I've seen an old video where they replaced the battery in the car. Maybe it's like a big battery in thee. Yeah, because yeah, they they had these chargers all over New York City and they had these taxis that were fully electric taxis in the early nineteen and Henry Ford he had produced the Model T and he also was working on evs at the same time, and so he had an electric model teeth that he was working on and a whole he had a whole plant that was producing these things and like researching these things, and it mysteriously caught fire and burned down, lost all of that the progress, and he ended up canning the concept after that because he was like it's too much money to reinvest back into this. It's just a total loss. We should do working to that for sure. And there's always been the theory that the Pinkertons set that fire and the picker Tins were hired by Rockefeller. Yeah, to set that fire. We don't know for sure, we know for sure, but it does look like, oh, I don't know who did it. It does look like Rockefeller hired some people to burn that thing down. And so it's not with the outside the realm of possibility that Rockefeller was like, this guy's diesel engine is going to take out my petroleum money and I need to kill him, and I've got people who can do that. And so they put him on board that ship. Well, he built a boat and sunk it and was like, oh dang, he missed the boat. And so he was like, he's like, maybe we could do a less colladal damage, try to get and try to just push him overboard the next one. Yeah, he hired the picker Tins and then he saw the Titanic thing. It was like, that is not what I expected you guys to do that way too, Why did you do that? Like you could have just pushed him off the ship. That's what I meant. I thought, that's good. That's a better, much better I did. But John the movie about this, you said, you said break him in half, not break the boat and half. I get it now, you said when you said put it at the bottom of mister, listen, I'm just a Gum'm just the guy who goes out and makes stuff. I'm just dumb when you said sink it, I didn't realize you were calling him the it that I saw me. I I didn't realize you didn't think of him as a person. I should have known that. I will drown him and then I'll make sure if he's found. They even him at the sea. Then he drowns. They pulled his body out of the boat, and then here comes that guy in scuba gear way. He just comes out of the water. He's like, he's like, throw that body back in the water. Gave me back my body? What put that body back where it came from? Now, Like, we need to listen to the sea man, sea man. We need to listen to this guy of the sea. He just came out of the ocean and told us to put the body back. We're gonna put the body back. Don't tell anyone you saw me. Don't tell no one you saw me. And then he just he walks back in the water and they're they're in the middle of the ocean. He's happy to the bottom. He just like want like Godzilla, and they're like, it's eight lunch feet deep here. No one's gonna believe us. Let's just say we didn't never room in the boat. There's no room in the We caught so many fish. The guy told us to throw the boat. Told this guy in the boat. We're like, there's no room in the boat. But there's a main ger ou back. You could go to sleep in there, sleep in there, all right. So it could be John D. Rockefeller, right, probably, Well, there's this other guy by the name of Kaiser Wilhelm. The second he did look at him, he's not in the army. This was their silver Doarter city. It was one of those one of those one of those photo booths where you like dress up and do the whole thing, but you can dress up as like a military general. I like that. No, Yeah, this guy was the Emperor of Germany. He was the last emperor of the German Empire. Yeah, I mean not though, well, the German Empire like this, so Prussia, I believe was that's like technical name. It was the German Empire. He's a emperor of it. And Diesel was from German descent. But Diesel was kind of a tough guy to pin down because, like I said, painting his backstory, he was a German descent guy, but he was born in Paris, France, and then he moved to London, lived on that farm for a little bit, and then moved to Augsburg, so he was kind of all over the place. He worked for that German company while he was developing his thing, the man Man Sheeness Fabric company, but he was frustrated with them, and the reason why he left initially was like they were having a They didn't want him to go international. They wanted to keep it in Germany, and so he left them and started producing it internationally and they were like, no, they didn't like them, and they didn't like that, and he didn't like that either. Well, here's the thing. Germany at the time was trying to expand their navy, to build a stronger navy to be able to compete with Great Britain because the Royal Britain Navy was really the Royal British year was really good. He died nineteen thirteen. Yeah. So I'm I mean like Germany was going for it with the World War, right, Yeah. So World War One begins about seven eight months from here, got it? And so that's Germany. Yeah, yeah, Germany's there, we want to do it. Yeah, so it Germany almost a year to the day, actually, Germany declares war on Russia and France and World War One begins. Yes, but so Germany is rapidly expanding their navy. And the thing with the diesel engines is they were much more efficient and they were great for boats and more importantly, this sweet new thing called summarines. They call them U boats at the time because they didn't have good names yet. They're like underboats. That sounds dumb, yeah, yeah. And so remember the point of this trip though the trip he's going to meet with the Consolidated, Yeah, which is a British company that already named itself after the diesel to so this guy did it, So there's some motive for Germany'd be like, no, we don't want them to get their hands on that technology. We have it, we're producing it. We can't let the Brits be able to have good engines like we're gonna have because we're about to declare war on them for the cool big World War. So there's some motivation there. And this guy's a big, big, mean empire guy, so you could see it right. Here's my favorite theory though, the British Empire is who he was on his way to go meet the Germans obviously wanted this technology and obviously didn't want the British to have this technology. There may have been a plot already in place for the Germans to take Rudolf Diesel out. So what the British said as they said, come meet with us and you're going to die, leave your wife a bunch of money, you're never going to see her again, and we're going to take you to Canada where you can now develop uh diesel engines. So oh, you're saying there is no body in the ocean. The body in the ocean. Was there was a body in the ocean, there might not have been. That's what I'm saying. I mean, like if you have his artifacts and then you can say, hey, a tug boat, yeah, it couldn't fake that. But they didn't bring back the body because there was no room on the boat, or there was some guy on the ocean who said, hey, put that so we couldn't we couldn't bring you the body because the seed guy told us not to. Yeah, the seagull, he told us not to the sea gull. I can't understand you. We bit the water out, seagull. Seagull, you're a bird. You're going to join me too, Give me the But that's what I'm saying is that they could have just taken the artifacts off of a live person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then take it to his son and been like the secause that's not really wet. Yeah, bodies in the ocean quote unquote. Yeah. And a couple months after his death, it makes Rockefeller happy, it makes the Germans happy. Well, a couple of months after his death, a Canadian company makes a breakthrough in diesel engines and they start producing engines for the Royal British Navy. Okay, that is a big, a big advancement for them. They did it. It seems pretty likely that they faked his death. I believe that they did it, and they yeah, so that way they could get an edge on Rockefeller is innocent, completely Rockefeller has never done anything wrong. That guy never break. That's a guy whose grandkids love him, you know. That's a guy who he knows his children's names. That's a guy who would always put public interest above his own greed. That's a guy who when they say we need to increase shareholder value, he's forget about the shareholders. It's about the planet's about the good of everyone. That's a guy when you say his name three times, he doesn't show up. Tell you that. That's a guy who's never bit into someone's neck and sucked on the I'll never run into that guy in the woods. So yeah, so there's a there's some mystery or Rudolph Diesel made the diesel engine pretty cool. They've they changed it. They changed it so that way Rockefeller can still get a lot of money. He still get paid. But it was a pretty big deal and they killed him for it. Maybe. Wow, Yeah, that's pretty wild. Yeah, can you hold that a little longer. I was gonna do that for the thumbnail. Okay, that's pretty wild. Your water bowls in the way, Sorry, that's just your laptops in the way, My cocking legs in the way. Is that what you want on YouTube. Oh boy, all right, well, I mean, yeah, yeah, we can fiddle that off. Okay, that was a weird weekending we left that for. I mean I wanted to fiddle it off, and then you made me pose. I was trying to think of something to end it with. But do you want to end it on? We've already said it, You've already said the F word. And hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Things I Learned last night. 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