Meet Richard McGuire The Man That Tried Disney

06-04-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, this week we talk about a guy who's snuck onto a deserted island at Disney World. So there is an island at Disney World that they just they used to have an attraction out there. They closed it down, and then a lot of people have been trying to sneak out there, and this guy was like, they've got mysterious things out there, they're hiding from us, and he was determined to get out there. So we talked all about the history of the island, all the attempts to get out there, and then this one specific guy who did not get away with it. And we're doing podcasts work comedy podcast where we teach you some stuff that I learned literally last night. So it's not like you're learning a lot, but you're you're learning a lot of time. We're gonna have fun. Yeah, you got any shows coming up? This comes to June fourth. Okay, summer is empty, so the fall is very busy, but I can't talk about those yet. Yeah, but for now it's just just you and me. Well yeah, slow summer man, thanks for bringing it up. You're welcome. Let's do the episode. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Richard McGuire, Richard McGuire, Is that is that Mark's legal name? No? Is that? Oh? Shoot, I blanked out of the Tom Cruise movie McGuire. Uh what's his name in that? Uh? Lizzie McGuire. Yes, Cruise played Lizzy McGuire and none of us realized. Just roll it. We're gonna try to get through this one today. Anyways. Well, you're maybe you've heard of this? Have you ever heard of Discovery Island? Is it Toby maguire? Who is that? What? I'm getting a bunch of names mixed up in my head right now. I don't know what to I don't know what to tell you. Have you heard of Richard McGuire? No? Have you heard of Discovery Island? Yes? Have you heard of this? Southern Island? Is that place you go to on a third grade field trip where they do you like, put your hand on the ORB thing and all your hair stands up and okay, yeah, I could see the science center type of Discovery center Discovery Island? Yeah, if they put it on. Do you guys have a Discovery center in Denver? We had like a children's museum, okay, the same as Discovery center, you know, what Discovery Center is because you were in Springfield. Okay, yes, okay, I forgot that you were in Springfield at some point. Have you heard of the Southern Southern Pirate? Is that who Anthony McGuire is? No, Richard McGuire. Richard McGuire, Yeah, Richard McGuire. He's also known as the Southern Pirate. He's a YouTuber and we're gonna get to him in a minute, but first we got to talk about Disney's Discovery Island. Yeah, so Disney in uh wait, is there a pirate of the Disney Island? Let me guess how the rest? There's all these trees. They discontinued the ferry. They forgot one small boy out there. He has lived out there since nineteen ninety nine and he's raised by the Exotic Animal Raid. Well, they took the animals. Yeah, no, they left. Yeah, I went one day. They went back out there, and he started throwing spears at him. Things I learned last night. All right, So Discovery Island. Discovery Island opened up in April eighth, nineteen seventy four. Yeah, and it was an island in the center of like Disney's Little Lake that they got in Disney World, you know, the little lake in the middle. Yeah, So they got the island right in the middle, and it's a natural, naturally formed island, and they said, what if we turned this also into a park and they so what they did is they did and so on April eighth, nineteen seventy four, they opened up Discovery Island and basically you would pay for your ticket price and then you would ride the boat across the lake, okay in a little ferry boat, and then you get off and then you could tour the island. And on the island they just had like a bunch of exotic animals and stuff. It was it was an island zoo Animal Kingdom before. Yeah, And ironically it was open until a year after Animal Kingdom opened. They opened Animal Kingdom April eight Discovery Island and then they were like, they're like, we like the island better, and they were like, no, you don't, yeah, and they're like, there is no island. So I do appreciate it about Disney is that Disney can just be like no, no, you don't. Yeah. You know, they just bought like well they guess got approved to expand disney Land. Uh. Yeah, they're going to cross like two city blocks into the parking lot. Well, they're going to make some new parking lots and then they're going to make like a frozen area and a school, like a Mawana area. Oh that's fun. Oh cool, Like there just like two different sides of the scale, gotten cold. They have a Katy Perry the middle. Yeah, Mowana is the volcano. Right. Oh? I thought you were gonna say, Okay, I know is. I haven't seen ma Wana to be honest, Is that right, Alex? It's it's Hawaii, right, yeah, I think it's Hawaii. Yeah. What did you say, alex as kids? Yeah we yeah, we know that about them. Yes. No. Oh speaking of Alex, I at my barber yesterday saw a fundraiser for the Boy Scouts, And I'll tell you what they do, Alex. They just sell beef jerky now, oh, and not the good stuff like slim gyms, off brand, off brands, fat Joe's. They weren't Boy Scouts brand. I'm sure that's what it is. I'm sure it's their brand of but it's not like it doesn't say like boy Scout jerky. There's no good way to trying to be like can't say that out loud. Yeah. Yeah, there's none of them that work. There's none of them that passed. Eagle stick, Eagle eatles, Eagle Eagle eatles. That was not bad. That was not bad, isn't it? So? Anyway, So Discovery Island opens in seventies and then is open into when did Animal Kingdom? Animal? We should just do a whole thing on Disney World, you know, it's how much we did a whole thing on Epcot. Yeah, one, and we did a whole thing on Walt Disney. Right, Yeah, we've got a lot of Disney episodes. Maybe we can I'm saying, created a Disney playlist lean into it. So no, Animal Kingdom opened April twenty second, nineteen ninety eight, and Discovery Island closed April eighth, nineteen ninety nine, So it literally was opened for one more year. And they realized pretty quickly. They're like, oh, we kind of cannibalized that other park we made by opening it. I don't know if they knew that from the start. That's immediately what I knew. They should hire me. Yeah, well, I'm big. If you're listening to this, when does this come out? This one will come out geez in a while. June fourth, June fourth, that's still this quarter, right, yeah, I'll say next quarter he's gonna be out of here. So their their earnings report wasn't very good, and they're switching to streaming and we're talking stocks now, yeah we are. This is a stock We are Grown the Stock podcast. Yeah, we both turned thirty. So Discovery Island was open for a little bit. Yes, you could go see exotic animals and birds and stuff like that. You could you could roll up to their docks and presented by frisky Did you've notice that in the picture Discovery Island presented by Friskies cat food. And so then it just sat abandoned since ninety nine, right, obviously, yeah, obviously. Well here's the deal. If you're on the shore of the lake, you just see this pretty island, you don't see that it's abandoned. Yeah, Like there's a park in there. Because if they discn the fairy, if you look at it, let me guess how the rest of it. All these trees, they discontinued the fairy. They forgot one small boy out there. He has lived out there since nineteen ninety nine and he's raised by the exotic animals. Right, well they took the animals. Yeah, no, they left him. Oh it was kind of a quick shutdown. Yeah, they went one day, they went back out there and he started throwing spears at him, and really the only way they found him was there was it was a it was an eighteen year old who was like, I want to evangelize this lost people group and uh he was swimming spared the chest, Yeah he did. Yeah. Yeah, well you're really close, I should say shockingly close. So here's what happened. It was it's been in sat Abandon since ninety nine. In the early two thousands, there was a movement on blog spot you remember blog spot, Yeah, for urban exploring. They called urbex quick thing on a blog spot. Yeah. Are you aware that open ai like chat is pulling information from like blogspot blogs. Yeah, I would assume, so it's pull it from everywhere, and so I would assume that's right. Yeah, which means that when you ask chat gipt a question, it's pulling information from blogs. Yeah, some random dudes blog, which is like, do we could just I mean, who even like Wikipedia's monitored blogspot, No one's going to read that. We could put insane stuff out there, and then chat shipt will start telling people that for real, that's a legitimate concern but also opportunity. Uh so, I mean a lot of people are like, oh, we're so afraid of AI. I'm not afraid of AI if you're on the right side of the war. Okay, there's Oh people are going to become tyrants with AI. Yeah, yeah, they we are. You got nothing to be afraid of if you're one of the tyrants. Clip it. Okay. So so early two thousands, blog spots popping off, and one of the subgroups in blog spot is urbeks and exploring abandoned places, and this became urbex stands for urban exploration, which is interesting because they're they're exploring abandoned places, so I feel like they're missing the a It should be baba are bab bex or bad becks because it's abandoned. It's only abandoned that they're exploring, so urban abandoned. You get the point. This became kind of like a crown Jewel achievement for urbeks people on the spot because here's the deal you get you can't get in. Yeah, Disney's like highly secure because the point of the Urbs Exploration is like you're going and you're posting a blog post. When you post that blog post, you want to be the only person who's been to this place. Yeah, it's an abandoned spot that no one else has got to. So that's like what everyone's trying to target is like I want to find some cool place that most people can't get to. So theme parks really quickly became kind of like one of the like crown jewels from people's Yeah, I mean kind of any place that's tough to get in where it's like they got gates, maybe security or anything like that. Each Southwest Airlines. I want to get on that plate. That's what Marilyn was doing. Been sounds like a prescription drug that you should consult your doctor about twice daily. Ibsen. Yeah, maybe you get herbex here, you get herbs here. Okay, So they they really wanted to get here because one it's on DISNEYLANDSSON that is like I've heard of it, Uh no, No. The other one there was another one Celebration City. Okay, Yeah, so there's a castle, like a castle, there's like a venue that's like the out there steerors shaded their castle yeah, you had definitely seen beause remember we showed the videos of that big wooden roller coaster getting torn down. That was brains in that celebration city. Anyway, a church now leases the building. I have to get to the church, you have to walk through the closed theme park, and it's a little eerie, to be honest. That is pretty dope, honestly though. Yeah. Yeah, And they have like the choir in the park, but they're at a different spot every Sunday, and they like hide them and they're singing hurt choir. I was what theme park had a choir? What are you talking about? Okay, they haven't let the choir go. It closed down. The choir has a choir still, that is like in a theme park castle. Yeah, but they hide them around the park, so every time you come in, you don't know where they are. You just hear them singing in the distance, just the choir singing some old hymn halo. Yeah, and they only sunrise services, so it's like by the time while you're getting there, still dark out right, the bats are still flying around. Okay, So anyway, I'm sorry, I trying to bring anything up. Okay, So people are trying how many people? Okay, yah, yeah, So so here here's the reasons why it's exciting. One, it's on disney World property. Still, Like, disney World wraps around this lake, and so to get in, you have to get into disney World. But if you've ever been to disney World where there's gonna be alligators in that water. Yeah, so if you if you get to Disney Old sorry, if you get to disney World property, you know, hey, you can get to the lake. Okay, parking lots, you know, hey, like it's just parking lots. But so you can get to the lake pretty easily. But there are fairies moving all over this lake because that's one way to transport between the parks. As you could ride the fairies to the other parks. Sure you have. Well, I mean, I guess this is an option one. Sorry, I'm not one. I'm sious no one has tried that, but I guess that is an option. I mean, that's it's pretty not conspicuous because the ferry drivers are all like, hey there, little silker stuff. Yeah, I guess you're right. Their guests probably like hey, somebody, hey, someone jumped off. I think I think that guy's going to Discovery Island. But yeah, you're right, there are gators in this water, and it's like it's like it's like well documented that there's gaters in this water. They attack people. Really at disney World, it has happened. How many times have people gotten bitten by alligators at disney World? Not a lot. Well, this last one, this last one was actually a really bad one. That was really sad. And so then they like purged the lake of alligators. They said there's no more in there. Whether that's true or not, I don't know whether they how they could know for sure that there's no more because of the water feeds out and so I don't know. Maybe they put some grapes up. But a gator did nab a kid from the shore recently. And then that disney World. Yeah, and then they went on like a campaign. It was like a couple of years ago, and they went on a campaign to like rid the that lake of gators. Oh that's what they did. Yeah, it was really really sad. But at the early two thousands, this was crawling with gaters and allegedly bull sharks and snapping turtles. Snapping turtles makes sense, Yeah, And so this is a dangerous, la. This is not a lake. You want to lake a lake? Day, I meant put them all in there. Well, it was like, okay, let them get to my island. The island was a good spot for Walt to hide his stuff. Still is Yeah, interesting, interesting, he's out there. He's singing the hymns on Discovery Highlands alone. Well, couldn't keep a tune. What's that sound? Is secure? Watching the park later night? What's that sound? We're pretty sure it's Walt Disney. They did go, you know, because that he gave He gave the alliators rabies to just to make them a little more. He was subjected him. Here's here's Herba Becksen, Herba bes Rba Mexan. Yeah, presented by friskies. So this is a tough island to get to. And allegedly there's cameras everywhere. Do people try? Like? How many people failed? Is what I want to know. I down, I clearly a guy made. I can't tell you how many people fail, but I can't tell you that. In two thousand and four, the first explorer was a guy by the name of Shane Perez, and he was a prominent er Er Bexer from the blog spot days and he was smart. So, uh, he snuck out there. And this was kind of an early so what I should say, he had the benefit of being the first person to try this, and being the first person to try this was before Disney World realized people wanted to try this. Okay, okay, okay, so you know exactly what that means. So he heard the rumors about it, and he wanted to see over there, and he tried a couple different times to sneak over there, and he realized, Okay, getting across this lake is really tough because of all the fairies. I'm going to have to sky dive in. Oh my gosh, No, these guys don't have that kind of resources. Okay, And so yeah, he wanted he he wanted to get across on boat, on a boat. But he's like, He's like, I don't think there's any way you could get across this boat without getting seen by some of the fairies or security on wo Okay, Well, I mean it's it's wow, you're not you don't have to get into the park. And honestly, also, let's look, let's looking what's that for? Uh, splash mountain splash, I brought my own toboggan. I'm sorry, I brought my own toboggan. I brought my own It's okay. I thought I was supposed to. That's what it said on the thing. That's what my mom always told me when we came, and she was, we can't ride that. We didn't bring our own toboggan. That I'm saying out loud. I realized that we want me to ride it, deal with all that stuff. But this is a good boat. I don't want to. Can I please just carry it with me to pass pro that you can't bring about in the park unless it's clear, you can only bring a clearer boat. So he he was, I can't take the bat. I'm gonna have to swim, and uh so he tries it. He swims, He gets a bunch of waterproof bags by an alligator, and he makes it across and he takes a bunch of photographs and he gets the first ever photograph from within a Discovery Island. And it's a little decrupid. I mean, it's been abandoned for five years. At this point he can see he really just left it out there. Yeah, they just pieced out and there's he's find some cool stuff like signage and posters, posts a bunch of pictures, and everyone's like, oh, that's interesting. Here's the thing. And then he hears a what does that sound? And he says, I better keep this to myself. Better never speak of this again. I really wanted to find an island boy. You know, this is where the Island Boys came from. Discover Discovery kid that's been on the island for five years. Yeah, living off the land. He's got a little farm that he's built. He played Minecraft, so it's a lot harder in your life. He's been punching the walls. Minecraft isn't rewarding for him anymore. Maybe that's what we should talk about, you know, wre wire. Young adult men so gravitated toward video games is because they can succeed at video games. Ah yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but they can't succeed succeed in real life. That's an interesting point. I like video games. Okay, so uh he gets there, He takes all these pictures. Whatever, Right, here's the deal. This guy, he's got a noggin. He knew that Florida's statute of limitations was four years and so he waited five years to post his pictures. Oh lot to leave statute of limitations. I could stay I could stay here. So he posted these in two thousand and nine. Yeah, he waited five years to post his pictures, and his pictures were the most infamous pictures we've got. He got them in very early pictures. Okay, and so Disney obviously they found out and they were pretty upset about this. But the problem was he did it five years ago. Yeah. It was like, oh, statute of limitations, and Disney's like, well, you can't ever come to our parks. Pretty wild, But that's just a thing. It's like, yeah, hey, five years ago, I did a crime and you can't do anything about it. Now you're like, what I waited? Yeah, Also a four year statute of limitation, that'd be like, that's not very long. Four years is not long at all. That's a degree. 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If not, thanks for being here. We really just we love making the show and we hope you enjoy watching it. It's not the tics. He doesn't have any illegal ramifications, but Disney is still like this can never come to a park again, You can never go to anything everything, And so he got way till you close, so he gets banned. I'll explore your parks when you're no longer around. Uh. Then there was a guy in two thousands seven. So this is before he posted his pictures. Okay, so this is the first known person to get on, but he wasn't the first person to get on. But he made the mistake of posting it. Well, he made the mistake of working for Disney. His name was Nomius, Nomius in no pronounces word n O M e u s. No maus so biblical, which is perfect because this is a betrayal. So no maus. He worked for Disney, and so he was he was an inside man. I like no Maus way better. And he and his friends borrowed some of Disney's boats uh during overnight uh, and they voted across, got a bunch of pictures, posted some stuff, wrote the blog post, but it got deleted, which is sensible. He worked there, They they they clearly found out that he did it, and he didn't signed no Mayus. Ticketing director at disney World's Animal Kingdom signs in parentheses, also known as Bob Iger signs friend of Mickey. That's what they said. That's like a title. There is actually handler is a friend. Oh, that's the person. So the person not the person in the they're not allowed to call them costumes or like because that's really Mickey, And so if you're a friend of Mickey, you are the person in the Yeah, who they think they're forn children, I think primarily is who they're trying to full of me. Disney. Well, you're in an old Kaines so Disney. Uh he gets on, Well, no, no, Maeus, no, Mayeus gets on the island. He explores to take some pictures post as sure. And here's the deal about both him and Shane. If they they went right before sundown and they just stayed while they had some sunlight, sure, and so they didn't get to explore the fly and it's a pretty big island. They didn't get to explore the whole thing, and they always wanted to go back, but they kind of had, you know, all right, So here's the satellite view of it. Oh okay, is that the island I'm assuming? Yeah, right in the middle of Bay Lake there. You can't see Animal Kingdom because it's a different area. But Animal Kingdom is probably about as big as if you look down by the Four Seasons Golf sports Club there, that whole area with all those like little streets there. Yeah, that's like the size of Animal Kingdom. Okay, And so the other parts that you can see the Magic Kingdom right there are is pretty small compared to that whole area is this. Yeah, but I mean if you if you look at that island and move it over Magic Kingdom, it's about like, I don't know, probably thirty percent of Magic Kingdom. It's pretty big. Yeah, it's the largish island, Okay, okay, okay, Yeah, that's where I was kind of trying to put together. And and really the way people are trying to get here is from the Wilderness Lodge, the docks at the Wilderness Lodge, or the docks at the contemporary resort. Oh, it's because in but you can get there's a closer edge of it. There is a closer edge, but you can't get to that as easily, is the problem. Like it's really easy to get to the Wilderness Lodge of the contemporary resort. This back here is a neighborhood and so like, and I'm making sure it's as like private access roads and stuff like that. Sure, and then there's that's like a wooded area between the neighborhood. But then there's this stream that comes out right. So in theory, if you could get to that stream. If you could boat it, you could boat your way and yeah, yeah, but that's pretty I mean this is a closed lake, you know, right, and so like getting into it, people would see you and think, why are you here? Probably the faerry pilots do you call them pilots or conductors or of the captains of the fairies captains, yeah, captains, maybe fairies. Just just call them fairies, the fairy fairies, friend of the fairy, friend of the fairy. Did they make them dress up like fairies? That would be a little too on the nose for Disney. They're on the nose, but they're not on the nose, you know, they're on the ears. So what they did sometimes there's a lot of talk I go hilla and this eventually wow, hope. So Nomius didn't get any legal no maas sorry, didn't get any legal ramifications. He got fired and he did get banned from Disney property. But he was, as far as Disney knew, the first person to do this. Then a couple of years ago, Shane put out his footage and they were like freak man, and they're like, let's take legal action. And then law was like, sorry, been too long. I guess and they're like, that's it's crazy fa Yeah, And so long story short, there was a handful of more people, handful of other people who started trying to make it, and people would get caught along the swim, or they take a boat, they get hot in the boat. Some people managed to make it all the way on the island and get a handful of pictures, but they didn't last long on the island. It was always a situation where nobody ever managed to explore the full island. Okay, and then came Hill. Our friend Richard McGuire Southern Pirate, and Richard McGuire he had a YouTube channel where he would do outdoorsy stuff. He called himself the Southern Pirate, and so his whole YouTube channel was him catching turtles and talking about him and like doing like outdoor living type of Florida bear grills. Yeah, actually very accurate. And so here's a picture of our Southern Pirate. He had a youth track. He had a YouTube channel and he would just go out in the woods in Florida, and to be honest, this might have just been in like a wooded area right off a highway, and then he would film it and do make YouTube videos about it. Sure, he had one other thing going for him though, that helped him become very successful on YouTube. He has a couple of YouTube videos that have like multimillion views. And the thing that he had going for them. I wonder if you could guess, actually, what do you think it was? What do you think it was? Wait? Is it? He has something going for him? Yeah, he had another thing that he did with his content. He did this Southern pirate stuff, but he did another thing that kind of helped him really, Like what year is this? This is he started in I think twenty seventeen, this event was twenty twenty. Aliens uh close. He's a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, and he would talk about his conspiracies on his channel, so he had these to be out in there. He'd be like, this is a turtle. You know, this is all the stuff you're going to find in Florida. You know what else you're gonna find in Florida. Because the reason I'm showing you all these lizards so you can identify them when they're in their camouflage suits. Take a look at yourself in the mirror. What time I look at myself and for a second, I was like, it's not my own eyes. Am I a lizard man? Can't trust nobody. The second you trust yourself, it's over for you. Yeah, you trust yourself, that means you're gonna trust someone else. If you trust yourself, that just means you you're relying solely on your self control. And so here's the deal with he was a little bit of a conspiracy. Conspiracy was he putting out? Well? It was interesting the way he did that because he would do he would do wilderness outside video and then he would do a video with no video. It was just his logo, his little Southern pirate logo, and then audio of him telling you about this. It's just like a YouTube podcast where take hate and it's like Relliant like there always like swallowing the microphone. Sure, anyway, I was looking at the other day and I was googling some stuff and it's like, come on, You're like, oh my goodness. Yeah. And so he was pretty deep into the Illuminati for sure. Probably talked about the Denver International Airport once or twice, okay, And one of his favorite talks was Walt Disney's connection to the Illuminati. And he was like He's like, he was an illuminator. Is that what was he thinking? Yes? Was he thinking there was something on this island. Yeah, So he was pretty convinced that they shut the island down due to hold on, are you ready for this dramatic effect. He was pretty convenent that they were trying to revive dinosaurs on the island and they succeeded, and the dinosaurs, he was like, got loose. Literally Jurassic Park. He was like, the dinosaur got loose. He's like everything they show you in movies is just a reflection of real life. There's there's making it so that you get comfortable with the idea that dinosaurs exist, so that they can roll out and be like real. Yeah, he's like, the dinosaur got loose, and it was like a big dinosaurs, like one of the veloci raptors, the little ones you know. Yeah, it's like it's on there, but it's like not a big dinosaur. And they were like, we need to shut this park down and just trap it on the island, right though. Could you imagine goes out there to take some pictures and then in the picture you just see like a And so he was convinced that he's going to go to this island and find sure this dinosaur. And so he made plans. You catch him in the water. Yeah, right, you're one of the Disney police. Yeah you catch him. Yeah you go, hey, well you do not here. I'm going to find your dinosaurs. That what you're hiding out there, I'm going to find you. So he's doing that video. Uh zoo also like and subscribe. He uh, he wanted to go out there to find the dinosaur. He also wanted to get because he did the urban exploration thing too a little bit. He was kind of he was kind of he didn't have a niche he was a little all over the place like us. Yeah. Actually, uh, and so he would go all over the place and uh, he wanted to do the urban explorer thing here. He wanted to find the dinosaur. And he also he also just really wanted to go because here's the thing. He grew up in Florida and he was I'm always saving up he grew up, I'm saving up money to go to Discovery Island. And then he's like putting every dollar away because he's doing the Dave Ramson. He's trying to get a debt, you know, he doesn't want to do. Yeah, that was his reward for getting a debt. Finally, Debt nineteen ninety nine. He rolls into Disney. He's paid, He's got the shirt. April's most expensive week ever, April seventh. He pays his last thing. He said, Tomorrow's the day. Tomorrow's the day, woke up, went to the park, and then he went They did this on purpose. They did. They knew, they knew I what are they hiding? They knew I was debt free, and they knew that my debt free brain would know what they were up to. I have a debt free brain. Through your lies, Disney, We're gonna send this to Dave Ramsey. We're trying to get on their podcast network, and Tim going, I have a debt free brain is probably gonna get us there. I think it might. I have a dead free brain. Me no thinking about debt. So he goes wear that shirt today. You look like you're about to like talk to me about becoming my financial advisor for clients. Yeah, it looks like it in my license because you played in the golf figuring to be good. Yeah, I have been. It's a thirties, my midlife crisis. Where are you golfing that requires a collared shirt? What do you think I got you at golf at cheap clubs. I don't golf at cheap clubs. I go to the best of the best, and they say you're not a member, you need to get out of here. And then I golf right outside the fence. I go to a big shot I can't afford top golf. Okay, So he really wanted to go as a kid, but he asked his parents, and his parents said that they weren't going to pay ten dollars for him to just see a bunch of animals, and so he never got a chance to go as a kid. And he really wanted to go. Okay, So he really did have one of those like I wanted to Yeah, he really genuinely wanted to go as a kid, and they wouldn't let him go because, okay, they didn't think his parents didn't think it was worth it, which should be fair. In like the seventies, ten dollars was twenty dollars. Yeah, it's a lot of money to see some birds. I don't know, uh birds, so you even know they're gonna be out there. Still, we're gonna pay twenty dollars right, gether? They have wings, Yeah, they can fly away. But when you keep it keeping don't make any sense to me. You guys could get out of here. You guys know it's less. Have you been to zoo, it's for a while. I don't think they're worth it. I think they're worth it. I went in twenty twenty. Actually, you know, you can never mind? What's that? Never mind? So I see animals for free? Huh? I can see animals for free? I mean yeah, but they're not trained, the ones at the zoo sometimes. Okay, try and give it them commands next time. You go. Know what we didn't have we we they were listen. So in Springfield there is the Dickerson Park Zoo, a real zoo, and then there is the why Live Animal Safari out in Strafford, Missouri. Yeah, which I never got to do. I always wanted to do that, did you, Because it's a school bus. It drives through the their Once you google satellite, you know Wildlife Animal Safari in in Springfield, Missouri, so you can kind of pull up what that looks like from above, because they've got tigers and you know, exotic animals yeah, Missouri and the yes, hold on, hold on, I'll show you. I mean this honestly, you're saying this like I should think that this isn't great, But the more it's very tiger king energy. Yeah, this is incredible. Look at that. Yeah it's I wasn't joking. I was like, it's and there's just a free wandering camel at a they're like mixed mixing animals, like these animals don't belong in the same pin and it's just a green space in Missouri. Yeah, that's the craziest thing ever seen. But you're literally in a school bus. Yeah, that's like painted like a zebra. That's incredible. I can't kind of sat with the to blend in with the zebra. They're like, oh, that's just one of us. The animals are like, oh yeah, you really let yourself go. Isn't that Why isn't that crazy? Yeah? This is man. We should go well, hold on, oh is this it? Okay? Till and live wild animal safari? Okay, I see this? What hold on? First of all, I'm gonna take two screenshots, okay, and I'm gonna show them too, So one of them is gonna be we'll focus on the wildlife animal safari thing for a second. Sure the other one is going to be slightly zoomed out. Oh you can see what else is around there, so you can see this other thing I noticed? Okay, so here is uh, here's the map of it. Yes, yeah, it's just a bunch of trails and stuff like that. Is that a golf course behind it? I don't know what it is behind it? No? No, No, that's not that. Is that? That's yeah? That thing down there with the trails, is that? This is the thing. Yes, and they just let the animals just roam. Yes, they're in this now. You just hear the bus Where the pin is they pen the day is where the Yes, where like the lions and tigers are. So you see that up front with them on the buns and they've got all the water just doing whatever they want done. Yes, that's crazy and this is not their natural habitat. Absolutely never seen a tornado before, and they're like, what is this? What is happening? What's the other thing you notice? Yeah, So if we zoom out just slightly, you'll notice on the side it's the side by side over there. If we zoom out a little bit, it is assassins. What are they doing over there? What's their company? Can I find out more about side by side assassins? What are they doing? Click that we're derailing the whole episode for this. That's a house. Yeah, it's like someone's house. Oh, side by side the Yeah, I thought they were just killing people. Yeah, that's kind of you guys to us. Side by side is like the the all terrain vehicles. Yeah, okay, and these people kill them. They kill people side by side assassins. They roll up on the side. That's what it's night, right, it's dark with your flashlight and they always have side by sides, always have the LED lights all over them. Yeah, and you just here and they always got music on two. It's the lights like blinding. Right. That'll be twenty dollars cheapest. Assassins. We handle your problem side side by side, all right? What do they do with them? And they just they just fix them. They put them in the back and then they bury them someone. I think I know what I'm saying, like they why are they called assassins? Oh, I'm my guess is the rentals? Because it does look like there's like open land around here, So I wonder if you can rent them and ride them around here. I bet you can go into the wild, ride them into the park, chase the water buffalo around. All right, that was a fun side thing. Okay, so hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Thanks are the last night. If you want to help us grow our show, the easiest way to do that is to share it. Send this link to somebody, be like, hey, this is a fun podcast I listened to. I would love it if you would listen to it with me, because that's probably how you found the show. Someone you know shared it with you and you were like, this is pretty good. And so it helps us a lot, and it makes it so that we can keep doing this and make episodes until one of us dies. Tim, but please share it and I will still be here after he's long gone. Anyways, he really wanted to go to Discovery Island never been, never been, really wants to go, and so he says, I'm gonna go. I'm going to find I'm going to experience it for the first time in my life. I'm gonna take all my Urban Explorer pictures and stuff and get a YouTube video out of this, Okay, and then I'm gonna find the dinosaur, and he says, look, everybody else who's ever done this before. They've been there for four hours tops. They haven't seen the whole island. And he's like, gonna yeah, And he says there's been a couple of hurricanes since this shutdown, so he's like, I'm sure it's not in good shape. And so he's like, I'm gonna need it all the time I can get to really thoroughly look through this. So he packs a bag and he plans on spending a week on this island. And he sys, I'm gonna spend a week camping out on this island find everything. There'll be no stone left unturned. I'm gonna discover the mystery whatever they're hiding. And so he puts together a plan. He says, I'm gonna canoe across. He said canoes are small enough. He says, I think I could go unnoticed. I'm gonna wait until sundown. I'm gonna camp out one night, and I'm gonna bring all this stuff I need to camp out and until indefinitely for a week, and definitely for one week, indefinitely until Friday. And so he pulls up to the parking lot and now that we have the satellite V we can actually kind of see this. So he pulls up to the parking lot I think at the Wilderness Lodge and he gets his canoe. He's got his canoe strapped on the roof of his car and he goes out and he kind of scoping the area to kind of get his bearings and figure out how he's going to get out there. Uh. And when he comes back to his car, someone stole his canoe and so he's like, oh man, And so he's like, I'm not going to have to figure out a new plan. Maybe see if I can find a new boat, come out a different night. And so it's like kind of put a wrench in his plans. Oh. So he heads home and he's like trying to figure out what's going to do. He stops at a seven eleven and on his way back at the seven eleven there's a dude with a kayak onto the roof of his car. So he approaches the guy and he says, yeah, I steal this as a stick up. I'm going to steal this kayak. He says, I need your kayak. This is official police business. No, he asks him. He says hey, can I buy that kayak off you? And the guy's like, now, first say I like please, I really need it for something, Please, I need it. I need that kayak for something. And I was like what, okay, what do you need a kayak for? So he pleads with him for a minute. The guy's finally like, look, I'm not going to say this kayak, but I actually do have another boat that I'm trying to get rid of. Do you want it? And then I was like yes, yes, please, yes, please, yes, yeah I want to, he says. He says, look, it's not in great shape. I'll give it to you for fifty bucks. And he's like deal, and so he follows him home, kills him, takes the kayak and it's fifty dollars back and fifty dollars and the other boat. Now he falls the home buys this boat. But the boat is it's this metal kind of like you can't even really classify it. It probably holes in it. Yeah, it's a bucket. This is a bucket essentially. He's like, well, it's better than nothing, and so oh really yeah, So he takes it and this time he says, okay, this is like trying to float out there on one of those sleds, you know, those little round kinda kind of And so he takes his boat to that neighborhood. Oh, and he says, look, he says, the situation at the park, there's too much movement, too many people around, many people stealing boats. Yeah. Yeah, He's like, I need to go in the neighborhood. So he parks in the neighborhood, takes that boat, and he wades through the trees and it takes him. Uh. So he goes in that neighborhood, wads through that big thicket of trees and it takes him, he said, like over an hour to wade through all these trees because it's so thick with that boat especially. And he gets out there, gets to the water and pretty quickly realizes this boat is taking in water. And so he had two decisions or one decision. Two choices, go back and try to find out a new solution, reassessent come back, or push through see if I can make it. And so he decides to push through, and the boat sinks and he basically swims the back half of the route into land, but he makes it. He makes it to the island and he finds a structure on the island that's like not in great shape, but it's like still standing and it's starting to storm, and so he camps there for the night, lights a fire and sleeps and goes to sleep, sleeps on there until daybreak and he wakes up and he starts exploring the island's getting all this video, getting all his photos, looking for whatever he can find. And he's finding a lot of the stuff that a lot of the other people who've made it out he had discovered. There's some like there was a snake wrapped up inside a coke bottle that like died in a coke bottle. He found that and cool, so there's like all the labor Yeah, I do, okay, that was info that could have been cut that, you know, when you got your little list and you go could cut this this. Well, remember but I don't have my notes. My notes disappeared by the computer goblin. Yeah, so he I can't remember what am I supposed to cut this or not? He goes, he goes through the island, sees a bunch of stuff, and about halfway through this day, he's he thinks he's in the clear. Sure, he's walking through this is day one. This is day one. He's walking through and then he walks out of one of the buildings and he's walking across the little aisleway and he notices on a tree next to him a trail camp and he's like, oh shoot. He's like, he's like that totally got me. He's like, they got me, yeah, and so he kind of freaks out and he runs back to his camp. He tears down his camp really quick, gets his bag put together, and then he runs into the brush to like hide in the brush because he's like, he's like, I got to figure out what I'm going to do. And while he's like running into the brush, he hears voices on the island. Oh shoot, okay, what happened was security? And what year is this again? This is twenty twenty. Yeah, So security guards on Disney's parks got an alert from the trail camp for sure, which they're like, never seen that before, and so they call the sheriffs and they said, hey, we I think we need some backup to go look at this. And so Disney they called animal control and they were like, listen, I think we have a dinosaur dinosaur on the island, And so they call the sheriff and they wait on the docks for the sheriff to show up. The sheriff shows up and they take a boat across with the sheriff right, and so there's two security guards to sheriff. Where'd you get this canoe? It's really nice? Yeah? Thanks yet thanks? Do you guys want me to sing? He's standing in a gondola like one of those, like, so, you're not supposed to stand on a boat like this. This is a canoe singing to the officers. Most people kiss during this part. That's a weird thing for the singer to say, isn't it. Where he's like, most people kiss during this part? Kiss her kiss? He said, we got some Disney ip that might work for this. He starts saying, to kiss the girls. My looks like that boy's too shy, not gonna kiss the other cop from the front Disney Police album Kiss the Cop. All the other tracks include Day's Our Guests. So the constant syd make a cry out of this, I plenty evidence in your backpack. So the four of them get onto the island. They make sure, they make sure, and they break out and they start going to the island. Meanwhile, security gets two speed bows and they start circling the island and setting up a perimeter around the island. And then the sheriff was like, you know, i'd be sweet they got there, you guys your kiss, it'd be cool. Could a chopper rock? And so they did. So they got a chopped the chopper circling. I'll tell you what. I live in Los Angeles and uh, that's all that. Yeah, they think it's really the kids so sick there. They patrol every neighborhood with a helicopter. It's truly insane. How many of them are flying over my house all the time. They think it's sick. Yeah, they're gonna find you. That's the helicopter sound. Yeah, yeah, we have helicopter assassin's out there. Can you imagine that? Though? Because this is I mean this, I'm pretty sure this was happening right before the park shut down. And so you're at Disney World and you see the island is being circled by security guards and a helicopter, a police helicopter, and and one of those kodn't Gondolis is going out and you can hear him sing it what's happening over there? What are they doing on the island. I think it's one of those times where a police officer is proposing to his girlfriend by fake arresting her and then being like, just kidding, but you've arrested me. You know. Have you seen those videos? Yeah, yeah, they were gonna do that. So they get out there, they're looking for him, and they are like they're like seriously trying to find him. We have this shot from one of the trail cams. Oh, and then they have their weapons out and they are clearing, like going from room to room on Yeah. I don't really understand why they think, like this guy is a threat or whatever. Sure, but they're going back and forth. And so he and IM not making this up, buries himself in the woods and to where they just had his head hanging out and he put a bunch of it's the visual of you're going you're like bear in the woods and he like puts some bread and you're like using your tongue to put the leaves of your mouth like freaking hunger games. Dude, he doesn't cover his face hung game. He covers everything but his face, and so the dirt just comes out to his face like this it's just his face to get out of the ground. And then the cops are like clearing the place that they find him like that, because it's like a clearing, it's just clearing. He's just in the middle face. They actually step on him and just walking through. He's like, oh, and the like I think I stepped on something and he turned around it like I stepped on a face. I hate this island. Give me off the island. Freaking creepy, dude. This island has this is lit of Waltz experiments. Oh fate is this a person? The island a person lost? Right? Oh gosh, the island was a person. When you go watch it and go this island is a person, it makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I mean pretty much. Any if you you say, you can say loss. I was like, it makes a lot more sense if you just change it. Yeah, it makes makes a lot more sense if you just make some stuff up. So he hides. He hides. He's buried himself in the dirt and they're looking for him, and he figured he's crazy. They put trail cams out there because all the other's pretty smart. Yeah, and they actually put up fences so he had to jump a fence to get into like the park part of the island, and so like they they've up their security because everybody else was getting there, and the statute of limitations wasn't wasn't let him sue him, Like that's the only way we make money as a company is poor people. And so he he buries himself and he lays there in the dirt, and he says, I'm just gonna wait him out. So he waits there for hours, and they're still searching, They're yelling out trying to find him, and they're not going anywhere, and so he realizes, he's like, he's like, I'm not going to be able to outlast these people. He says, I'm so thirsty. He said he was literally laying there and he was washing water drip from the leaves, and he was sticking his tongue on and catching it so he could get some moisture because he hadn't drunk anything in two hours. And then let go and then he realized, oh my god, I'm rest and so he says, Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna wait them out. They're they're here, they're locked in they know I'm not gone, and so I need to get away. And so he crawls his way through the brush, makes it back to shore, and he starts finding along the shoreline from people in the park who just littered for years, just a bunch of empty water bottles. And so he started taking all these water bottles and blowing him up and putting in his backpack to make a floatation device. And so he's just got a backpack and then ah, he's just sneaking on the detail. It didn't matter, it's he's blown them up, and he's got all these inflated water bottles in his backpack. And then he says, Okay, I've got a backpack full of inflated water bottles. But they're circling the island. Yeah, they don't see him. They don't see him there in the boats. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's not like it's not the water, so it's not like he's like on the beach yet. So he's like in the brush next to the water and just floating backpack. That's the idea is he sinks underneath and lets the backpack stay up, and it is a black backpack, and he thinks he can just kind of roll. They're like boating, and they just see a black backpack with hands on it. You think that's the guy. I don't know where he is. You think that's the guy. No, that can't be the guy. Those are just so Florida hands. We got about all. Yeah, we've got a lot of hands. Float around in this lake, eat out the gators. So so he takes the backpack and he gets in the water, and that's his plan. He says, I'm gonna hang out underneath it and swim across and just come up for air when I need it. And it doesn't work. It doesn't the flotation doesn't. It doesn't float, okay, And so he realizes he's just gonna have to swim, so he just starts swimming. Somehow, he manages to swim across, get back to the other shore, get into the neighborhood. He gets to the neighborhood and he grabs his phone. He calls his wife and she has to can pick him up. He's soaking wet, and she's like, why are you so wet? He's got a duffel back of cash, right, and he's like, just drive, don't ask questions. I'm soaking wet. You know. Well, he calls and she says hey. She says, the are here, and they said, if you don't come turn yourself in, they're gonna arrest me, which sounds illegal. La la la la la. Come confess. We're gonna take your wife. We're gonna go to jail. The cups are in the background of the call. She's like, they won't stop singing weird remixes of Disney songs, but they're like cop themed remixes. I honestly, I kind of want to go to jail at this point. I can't stand up. Heck yeah and so so yeah. So he's like, how does he get How do they know it was him? Uh? Yeah, I don't. Well, they saw him on trail cams, I guess, And so I guess the police were like, yes, and it's the footage, we'll find him. We know this guy. Yeah, I don't. I don't think they knew him. I think the police are just like, yes, and it's the footage, we'll find him. I think they like that. I think the police the police are like, yeah, we'll track him down, we'll find him, like a challenge. Yeah, And so they they tried tracked her down, were threatening to arrest his wife for his crimes, which does not seem legal. And then so he's like, he's well, because she's harboring harboring a fugitive at that point, like she would be impeding investigation because she could just say he's out there. Yeah, he's out there, that's him. Yeah. But I mean, at the end of the day, it's like, you can't arrest me because my spouse isn't back. You do. But if you say, hey, like because she knew he was going to commit a crime, maybe if she did crime, if she knew I don't know if she knew. But also it's like you're you're what, are you an accomplished of trespassing Yeah, to a misdemeanor treuspassing. Yeah. And so he's like, he's like, I'm not going to risk her. And so he goes home and he turns himself in and uh, he's got a great mugshot, just absolutely legendary much Oh my gosh, you make that face for the thumbnail. Good, we got it. And so he gets he gets charged with misdemeanor trespassing. Yeah. He also gets banned from Disney for forever. And he gets one hundred dollars fine, which is not terrible. Honestly, they did they let him shower before they took the mug shot. It looks like it they might have, yeah, because he would have went through there like you smell terrible. Yeah, and so he banned from Disney World. Everywhere in your body's covered in mud except for this one little weird spot. Can you explain what happened there? Well, no, he went through the lake. The lake would have washed it off. Okay, Yeah, so he did kind of technically in a sense. He's talking to this episode. You got rapids us geez. So it's not an hour, but we took a break in the middle. Let's take another one. So the island, the island's still there. They aren't gonna to get rid of that demology. We're so tired of people coming to this island. They dynamite it. No, the island is still like, the park is still on there. There's clearly there's no plans for Disney to ever do anything of it, but they've they're saying, hey, if you break into this island, we're going to be really mad at you, guys. Yea. And so they're pretty they're pretty striped about it, and now apparently they weren't in the early two thousands. Now they're more strict about it. So, but nobody's found the dinosaur. So I'm not saying this is not this is not financial advice, don't go to the park. But nobody's found the Yeah. So anyways, that was his big fiddle off. I guess oh, okay, hey, thanks for making us to the end of this episode. If you liked that one, I actually made a joke about Anthony Kertio in this episode. Anthony Kurtio is a person who made this very elaborate bank robbery scheme where he was going to escape to a stream behind the bank and float his way away with his millions of dollars, so much so that earned him the nickname dB tuber. So we did a whole episode on Anthony. You can go check that out. We've also got next week's episode available right now on Patreon, so if you want to go check that out. You can. Thank you so much for listening to things I learned last night. We'll see you next week.


This week’s episode covers the story of a man named Richard McGuire who snuck onto a deserted island at Disney World called Discovery Island. The island used to have an attraction in the 1970s and 80s where you could see exotic animals and birds. It was shut down in 1999 after Animal Kingdom opened. Since then, it has sat abandoned, … Read More

How BlackBerry Took Over the World and Then Lost It

05-28-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to things. Earlier last night the comedy podcast show where We're learning useless information and so uh we this week talked about BlackBerry, the you know, the phones you might not know. You might be young, but if you're if you're old like us, do you remember the wonderful times of the two thousands when technology was just slowly crawling its way forward, and then after two thousand and seven it just so fast, so fast, fast, numbingly fast, and now we're back to just slow increments of anyway, BlackBerry was really a part of that. And then how the rise and fall of BlackBerry and maybe what they could have done different to avoid this, but how they they just stared their destinies straight on exactly where we're a decade so we go there. Yeah. We also talked about the coolest phone ever, the Motorol Eraser. Yeah, the coolest thing. Shout out to our sponsor whatever. Man, let's get into the episode. Hey manmen, don't I hate it when you do this. Don't do this to me? Amen? Have you watched the extended versions of the Office on yahock? How far into it are you? I don't know, like not far. I just kind of like the threat level midnight one gosh, but than me then it's it's interesting to me. I will get into the topic. I don't care, but it's interesting to me. How much more Jim and Pam flirt in the extended cuts really, because like obviously when you watch the series, they're flirting, right, but it's it's like over the top, like they're really flirting. It's in the deleted scenes. Interesting, Like half of the deleted scenes are basically them dating, like in their relationship. Interesting. Interesting, it's interesting. I will say I watched I've been watching Back to Star Wars and so I'm on episode two right now, and I will say, Anakin, the way he talks to Padme in this one is like borderline not okay, Like I'm saying, like, there's things where you just kind of go, you know, because when you watch the series of the Office on TV, yeah, you go, Jim, you're flirting with a girl who's engaged to somebody else. Yes, But when you watch the extended cut, she's doing the most flirting. Interesting, and it's like, hey, you're leading on a guy and you know you're flirting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they keep doing looks at the camera, you know, yeah, it's weird, weird, weirder in the extended cut. Yikes. Interesting, I need to keep watching. Yeah, very far. Well, anyways, have you ever heard of BlackBerry? BlackBerry? Yeah, like like the phone. Yeah yeah, yeah, like the phone, not the fruit episode of BlackBerry. Well, for a second, I couldn't remember if that's what the phone was called. BlackBerry. Yeah, yeah, oh, we're talking about BlackBerry. We're talking about BlackBerry with the phone, yes, yes, yeah, probably in an episode of the Office or two. We talked about BlackBerry in a different episode, didn't we. I mean, we want to mention them how they wouldn't give up the buttons. Yeah, they didn't want to give up the buttons. Yeah, they love their buttons, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I can't Yeah, that's yeah. That's the best part of the BlackBerry was those buttons. All right. I feel we should get the intro out of the way because that was really weird. You did that. I really pushed my buttons. Hit the drop, hit the drop. No no no, no, no, no, no no no. That's good. You gotta get over to listen to our podcast. Can we get on Open's Favorite things list? Can we make a clip of Oprah's Favorite Things Special and over our podcast like my favorite podcast this year. It's after all you get get till things I learned last night. So Blberry here's the thing. Barberry was started by guy but the name of Mike Lizard or sorry Lazar is Lazaridis, Lazarus Lazarius. At the time, the company was called Research in Motion. This is in the early nineties. Him was the limited They just don't have a lot of product yet. Okay, no, it's short for LLC, I know. And then his friend Doug Freagin. This is Doug all right, I have I'm going to keep my mouth shut. How old is Doug in this picture? That's what I want to know, because here's the thing about older people. That guy's twenty six. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and we look like this yeah yeah, yeah, that's fair. But also to be fair, yeah I see now. Yeah. So Doug and Mike Ware sorry dougant Mike. Where your neighborhood nerds? Yeah, they lived in Waterloo, Canada, quiet little Waterloo, Canada. So the this company and the idea for the company was, hey, we are going to make technology stuff. Sure, but we don't know what the technology stuff is. We just know we like technology stuff, and so they just start making stuff. They make some motems for a little bit, they sell some of those goes, all right, they early nineties, and so they're like decent. They're they're a business, but they're not like a business, you know. You know what I'm saying anyway, guys, Yeah, well no, probably more of a business than us. Honestly, they're going to like they're doing stuff like this, like trade shows. Here's where the rest of that picture. This is showcasing some of their stuff at an event. What what are you pointing at? You don't see Alex in this picture? Yeah? I can see that. I can see that Alex, our local nerd. Yeah, that's true, is there? Yeah? I didn't notice before that there's a parrot in this, which is interesting. But what I like the most I think so far is that this is a trade show. I think they're actually at a mall. I think this is a mall. Kiosk oh okay, well then this works? Then this is this is their advertisement, right, yeah, but there's also like a phone number to call on here. This says advertise on me. Do you see it? Yeah? So it's like it's like if you had a billboard and you're like, I'm on a billboard, but also it had giant letters said advertise on me. So it's a billboard for the billboard that you're also discount for that you think, yeah, probably if you. So they built calculators. That's that's what they look like. They're not calculators though, called the budget system or the I think it does say the Oh no, it's bud Budge, Budgie the budget. What is the budget? So the budget system was like one of their early ideas. And this was a kind of like an early pager, a communication tool. Okay, it didn't really take off, hold on, put it back up. It's called okay. So it is called the Budgy system, not the Buddy system. Right now it's Budgie, but the Budgy system. I thought it was Buddy for a second. You just went with it for Budgie. No, it's Budgie, it's Budgie. I wasn't wrong, typically I am, but I wasn't wrong. They actually left college to pursue this because they thought it was a good enough idea, sure, and they started building these little devices. They were kind of like early pagers called the Budget and they did okay. They worked with Mobotex, which was like an early wireless provider, made some modems and things like that for them, and then started working on on these pager devices and eventually they kind of perfected it and created what they called the Bullfrog, which was a pager okay, and they started selling over. The pager did decent, and then they met a guy that honestly, if this guy didn't step into the relationship, I don't know where they would have gone. Because because Doug and Mike knew how how to make stuff, yeah, they don't know how to market. You also know what they were making, yeah, they also yeah, they were just kind of dabbling in a bunch of different things, right, and they also they also they weren't great businessmen. We do know that at this time they made a lot of bad financial decisions and they were working kind of out of the hole, just kind of like us. Yeah, you know, but they met a guy here. I want to see, can you pronounce this guy's name? Jim? Yeah, good start, good start nailed the first name. This is besides no, not even close. Uh, Ball silly, His name is Ball Silly. James Ball, Jim Ball silly. And here's the thing. He is the you put it up here, it's it's spelled Ball silly. It's exactly what you think it is. And you prompted me with you for now. As if I hate that, I fell for that too. So annoying. And this is the sharkiest business guy yea ever Look at him? Look at him, this is his profile. Yeah, Jim Ball silly probably hates it when you call him Ball silly. Yeah, he comes in to be the business man. Sure, And they actually became him and Mike became co CEOs. Was the deal that they struck. They met because Jim was working for a construction company and he was like a VP at this construction company and he was on his way out of that construction company and he was like, I want to go buy a company his plan, and so he approached Research in Motion to purchase Research in Motion and they were going through that deal and he started, I think he started to learn that Mike was the point, Like Mike was the guy who was yea, Mike was the product. Yes, And so he's like he's like, I need this guy to still be in here. So they he put together this deal where he and Mike would be co CEOs. So he invested in it, became a member of the company that became co CEOs, and Mike was like, hey, I got this idea for a mobile email device, which was a unheard of technology like pagers existed, right and cell phones were a new technology, bag phones and all that stuff. Yeah. Well, no, they had no kias at this time, like the bricks like we're around, but it wasn't. I mean you really just called people on it. Text messaging I think existed, but it was clunky and like expensive, yeah, because you paid per text. I remember the ateen T guy telling my mom that free texting would never be a thing. Yeah, yeah, because if they just made too much money on they'll never do free texting. Yeah. And it was also like the there was a lot of people in the industry wanted to make this possible and more like researching ways to make this possible, but there was a technological limitation with data. They anticipate that the number at this time was They're like, we don't think we could have any more than five hundred thousand devices in circulation before it would like destroy the network because it would just be too much data moving. Sure. What they did, what they discovered this research in motion was instead of typically the way it works is your device is what's called the client, and then you have a server, and what happens is the client pings the server and s is, hey, give me the data, and then the server delivers in a series of packets the files. And that's how that works. What they said is they said, instead of they reversed the process. And so instead of the client constantly pinging the server and being like, hey, send me stuff, the server, which has more power than the client would and is operating separately, would then ping the client and say, hey, we got some data for you, and then send the data. And so by reversing that process, it cut back on how much data was used, because otherwise the client's just constantly being like, you got anything for me, you got anything from me, you got anything for me. And so by reversing that, they were able to drastically increase the amount of devices that they could have in that network. And this blew everyone's mind, everyone, like in the tech world. Obviously the consumer didn't know about this, but the tech world was like, oh my gosh, like this is an actual possibility now, like we can actually do something like this. So they sell to bell South. You might remember from our AT and T company they got broken up in all these companies before they became AT and T. Again, A was like we're monopoly still. But bell South at the time, I was like, this is neat And so they bought a bunch of these and at the time the company was calling them pocket links in my opinion, kind of cool. But they uh called like an advertising agency to say, hey, what's a better name for this? And they came up they were like BlackBerry, and everyone was like weird, Okay, no, they said, they said, hey, you know what these keys look like. They look like the little bumps lit a BlackBerry. It's like, exactly what happened? These looked like a little bumps on a BlackBerry. Should name it BlackBerry for real? Yeah? Yeah, okay, They're like it kind of feels like the bumps on a BlackBerry. It kind of looks like the bumps on a BlackBerry. And it's supposedly like really easy to say BlackBerry. It just kind of flows and it's like quick sure like the devices, it's quick access to your email, it's fast BlackBerry and it's like elegant. I don't know, I don't know. Marketers are weird man, dude, and that guy I guarantee the guy who came up with that so much money for that. I got to figure out I had a really good idea for Marriott, and I need to like the hotel chain and I need to get in touch with them because I really want to make money off of that idea. Yeah, well, I got to share it. What if I share it? No, don't, I don't. The hotel chain is sitting there like whatever, they got any good ideas for us? Okay, fine, well so they so they take this thing to market and it like has like kind of a quiet start. But then it was Thanksgiving two thousand. I don't know if you remember the early two thousands, super well, I do. Do you remember Thanksgiving Day and the early two thousand super well? Well, there's multiple things. The days you just referenced. What year are we talking about, Well, I mean Anything's Giving Day in the early two thousands. There was something very significant that happened. Everything's Giving Day in the early two thousands. That was like a taste maker's moment for early two thousands culture. Yeah, that was the People's Choice Awards Kids Choice Awards. No, nope, that was the Taste Makers. Well, but not the Mazy Day Parade that will That did happen, But that's not what I'm referencing here. Wait, I got it. Okay, Oprah's giveaway episode. Yeah, actually you're yes, it wasn't her giveaway. Well she did do for Christmas. Yeah, she did do giveaways. It was Oprah's favorite things. Yeah, she gave them all away. She did give them away. I can't believe jar she just pulled that out of his two thousand and two brain. Look at that. I'm honestly so impressed. You remember that, because I would not have. No, she gave away the car, the Ford Focus she did. That was like the biggest still is the biggest giveaway. Yeah, yeah, it is, right you hear mister Beasts is about to pass that. Sure, yeah, he's he just got to deal with Amazon Prime. I think he's doing a game show to give to give all of his contestants an Amazon Prime membership. Crazy. No, it's an Amazon Prime game show that he's doing, and it's supposed to be the largest like prize game show prize of all time. Was supposed to be I straight up don't care about an Amazon after they lied to us and do all that stuff. Okay, I have this theory. I love Google more, I love Google we are I do love to love you know, I actually think Amazon's gonna die. I hope I heard it was started by a cult. Anyway, No, So on Opah's Favorite Things list, if you don't know, if you don't if you weren't alive, or you don't remember, Oprah just got to make a list of all of her favorite stuff. You would go to the taping of an Oprah Winfrey episode. Yeah, and it would be a secret you didn't know that this is the giveaway episode and uh or we don't give away episode the Christmas episode. Yeah, And then she would open the show. She come out and say, hey, welcome whatever, and then like an ornament would fall from the ceiling and it'd be like, oh weird, and it's like it's out right, And then all the stuff would come out, and so she would make a list of you know, make a list. It was all the stuff that people paid for to get on there. And and she was like, I love this blender, and then everyone of the audience would get a blender. They check under the seat and there'd be a blender there. Yeah, somehow they check out the seat. Oh my gosh, you ford focus. Yeah. It really was like that, and so everything they showed on the show, the whole audience got. But it was a really big it's where that meme you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. That's that episode. It was a giant infomercial. Yeah, they figured out how to get people to like look forward to every year. I mean it was it was pretty fun because everybody in the crowds losing their mind. Yes, and like and you're also finding out because what it was was it was like whatever it is on the the Oprah's Favorite Things episode was the like number one gift that year. It was like, you need to get that gift. That's what everyone wants. That was like how you that was like when you see a TikTok viral video. That's just like, you know, oh my gosh, my Stanley cup is creaty and then all of a sudden, every every person's got a Stanley cup. Yeah, because you're supposed to have it or whatever. It was the equivalent she said those blues like we earned ours and uh I was gonna say. I was like, she set her set on fire and the Stanley cup was still standing my favorite Things. Everybody's like, you didn't have to part the set down. Twelve people perished and she's like, you guys can drink some water, like dramatic music. On Thanksgiving Day two thousand and two, twelve people perished and a taping of Oprah's Favorite Things, but everybody else got free Stanley cups. No, so I don't know if honestly are they paid on this list? Then that's what I always assumed, Like I think that's where my brain goes. But there's the storyline is that maybe maybe you had to apply, maybe you had to apply to be on it or something so she could test it out. I don't know. I don't know how it worked, but I do know that on Thanksgiving Day, the entire BlackBerry staff was watching her special because they were hoping they would be on it this year. It was the first year of the BlackBerry. They were like or something like, let's see if Yeah. I don't know, okay, but they I guessand mom watched Oprah religiously. Most moms did. Yeah. That was like, yeah, so they were watching they were all huddled around the TV watching the TV to be like, is she gonna put the BlackBerry on her favorite things list? Sure? And no one, And behold she does pull the BlackBerry from her hocket and this is the early BlackBerry. It wasn't even a phone yet, it was just an email device. And so she's like, she's like, I take this with me everywhere. This is not just my favorite It's not just an item on my favorite things list. This is my favorite thing, is what she says. Oh, and they're they skyrocketed. They went from having twenty five thousand users to well over a million pretty much overnight. It's the power of the oh, I hate the Tube, just the pre and Oprah to the Oh, the big O, the big Oh. And so they became like just a household name, huge right beyond measure. We got to get Oprah to listen to our podcast? Can we get on Oprah's Favorite Things list? Can we make a clip of Oprah's Favorite Things Special and over Tough our podcast? Like and my favorite podcast? This year's close you get until it you get me. I find a voice actor who could do an Oprah, Probably do like an ai Oprah. Oh Yeah, that was something. That's how I went to let's hire an artist, and you went to, let's just have a the computer can do it. Why would we pay someone when we can let the robots do it. That's true. I mean the hosts of this show gave up talking two years ago. They've been AI in this thing. Literally just sit here in our shoots. It's the awkwardest thing in the world. We see here for an hour and a half and we just occasionally turned our heads to the cameras, turn our heads back. We don't make a sound, but the AI moves our mouths for us and says all we looked like one of those jib jab videos two thousand and two. Man, I forgot about that too. I know you did. 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TP finds out out about them, and MTP is an interesting company. I don't know if you've heard of companies like this. I think there's a word for it. But essentially all they do is they squire businesses. Well, no, they sit around and they wait for people to file patents and they say that's an interesting patent, and they say, we'll give you fifty thousand for it, and oh, they just sit on it until somebody else does something with it and then they sue them. That's the business. That's the whole model. They suck. Yeah, so there's actually a there's actually a content version of this. Did you know that there's So let's say you have a viral video. Yeah. Uh. And I get these messages all the time because I have a lot of viral videos, even like the cat one for example. You'll have a person reach out through d MS and they'll say, hey, we really love your video. We want to license it. We wanna we wanna help you get it on Ridiculousness and MTV and on the late night shows. We want to we want to help you get this video out. Right, it's already out, it's already right, but they they're like, we want, we want to, you know, so they can use on TV and you can get paid. Yeah. Right, So then you fill out the form and you know, I've I've entertained it just to read the reform, and they give you and they own the rights to the video. Yeah, and so then they go license it. They pay you a percentage, sure, but they're getting obviously the bigger percentage. But they in if you use it in YouTube or anything else, or you reposted anything you now they'll take the earnings that you make from Facebook. Yeah. Yeah, and because they're the owners that they're the copp editors of that video now. Yeah, and yeah, sketchy man, it's brutal. Same concept. They just go around buying patents and fake That's kind of what the guy did to Taylor Swift the record label that owned all of our stuff is why she re recorded her songs. And so they say, they say, Okay, we're banking on that fact that someone else is going to have this idea and we're just gonna assume once they do it. I can't take you seriously when you look at me in the eyes after you do that, like you just stare me. Okay. So this company calls them and it's like, hey, you're infringing on our patent, and they were like, what, how do you excuse me? And so they go into this litigation, they go to court and research in motion the owner owners of BlackBerry in their case or trying to say, okay, no, we've had we had this concept. First. What NTP has a patent for is just a mobile email device, and it's very broad broad yeah yeah, but it's it's broad enough that it's like they kind of got it. And so they go through this long litigation process and at the point when the lawsuit first comes through, the company has like a million users and so it's like a it's a it's a big company. Yeah, but I don't know if I would say it's like a massive company. Yet they the suit comes through. By the time that it closes a year later, they have two and a half million users for the phone, and so they lose the case, and the company Research and Motion is like, this is ridiculous. We're gonna be especially now because since this closed, they're going to take a percentage of our profits. Their profits are way higher now, right, And so they go for the appeal. They go through the appeal process and it takes two years. By the the end of that they now have eight million users, and so the company is like blowing up. They're going through the appeal process and it becomes pretty evident that they're going to lose this this appeal again, and so they settle outside of court with this NTP company who didn't do any sucks like just bought the patent or someone they selled for six hundred and twelve million dollars for infridging on that patent. Should we suck? Should we just be bad people? It's insane to me that these people did nothing. They did nothing. Should we because insane and all they did was just like, well, it's the same thing like when these meme pages are like they'll share my content without even asking. Oh yeah all the time. But and that's why anytime I see a Barstool video or the f Jerry or whatever, block those accounts scroll past them because they are what they're doing is they're reaching out and they're like, we want to put this in front of our our eighteen million followers. They get paid for all those videos. They make money off of your video, off your content. Don't let them do that. Yeah, it's not worth the exposure. Yeah, because at the end of the day one no one follows through. Yeah, no one looks at a barstool video and says I'm gonna go follow the account yep that did this. They're just like, that's funny. There's only certain pieces of my content that I would allow that at this point. I would let the Chick fil A video do it, and I would let the Alexa sketch go because those are very prominently in my face or things that I could pieces of like the cat video I would not do because I'm not in it. But if it's like if I'm talking to the camera and I can get more views on this. There is a level of I'm trying to sell tickets and my face is important, and ultimately on those videos, especially like IF concert, probably the life cycle that is going to go through, right, And so it's like if if they want to take it at this point, I don't know. Every time I repost it, it goes viral again. So I'll take it. Yeah, that's true. If you do that though for like a barsel, that's you can still repost it. Now. I'm gonna reach out of the half post this video seven years ago. You guys want it, that's fair, that's fair. Anyway, we're talking about BlackBerry, remember that's right. We just took a break. We took we took a little recess, a little short recess. My jacket back on, Yeah, I took that off. No, we took a little recess to go look at the eclipse. We saw it well, which hey you saw it. I saw a flash of it sees nothing now because I'll tell you what. The government is not going to tell me what I can and cannot look at. Yeah, they were don't look look at this, and I was like, you're gonna stop me, And it turns out they weren't going to stop me, but the sun sure did. Have you heard of that concord thing, the grape jelly close? No, It was like the seventies or eighties or something. There was a group of scientists that were like, hey, how cool would it be if we saw this eclipse for like longer than everybody else does. And so what they did is they took one of those concord jets. And I was just thinking yesterday what the eclipse would look like from a plane. From a plane, Yeah, probably nutsyeah. And so were they. And so what they did is they put windows on the ceiling and they put a bunch of scientific devices in to like measure stuff from the ceiling. Yeah, And they took a concord jet and it was over Africa, and they flew and they hit one point of it, and then they cruised with it like for I think it was eighty one minutes. They cruised with the path of the eclipse. And because the concord is so stink and fast, I was able to keep up with it, okay, And so it was the longest experienced eclipse by anyone. Was this travel or this fight. It was a wow, But it was insane because so the shadow is moving faster than a plane. Yeah, because it's I mean, I think it's I don't know what it is, but I know the concord moves over this speed of sound, and so they needed the concord time. I know, we stay out there for a minute, that things like crawling. Yeah, but I mean that's a big shadow, you know. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if you could get in with a normal plane, you could stay in it for like ten minutes. Probably a bet. I don't know. It's a big shadow. It's interesting. But what I do. I saw a thing. It said that they calculated it, and they said that if they were just a second off, it would trim twelve minutes off of the amount of time that they were able to stay within it. So they had to calculate the trip, and the pilot of this concord, he gave himself twenty seconds of leeway is so that way there would be room for error, And so he took off, got to the air and then while they were airborne, he redid his calculations. He's like, okay, we've got eight seconds. He's like, I need to trim eight seconds off these twenty seconds to trim eight seconds. They had some turbulence slowed them down and so then he like full thrust at it ended up hitting negative one seconds off. So like they did lose like twelve minutes in the totality, but within a second from the second they had to hit it, they hit it, and they hit it perfect at the spot where like they didn't even have to tilt or turn at all, like they just okay for eighty one minutes. I think it was wow experience. Its crazy, and we know a lot about eclipses now because of that, they were able to gather a ton of data. Wow, I know a lot about eclipse and new moon and but anyway, yeah, can you name another one? Name another one, Name another one? Just name a single other one. Twilight, Yeah name well, okay, that doesn't go Oh, that doesn't count that because that's the name. Uh huh. You gotta name one of the other ones. It goes Twilight, new Moon, eclipse, rise and fall of Mars Hill, a cord of thorn and roses. Okay, whatever, They're all the same thing to me. Okay, So in DP gets the settlement, which is crazy. Yeah, it's so frustrating and so many levels but BlackBerry was at a level where like it almost I shouldn't. I don't want to say it didn't matter. It mattered, but it didn't matter, if that makes sense, you know. So should they have just settled with the two million describers before? Yeah, they probably would have had a lower settlement if they would have took it with the appeal, But there's no way to know how big they were going to become. And it's it's interesting the BlackBerry, they called it the Crackberry. Remember that. Do you remember the Crackberry? Yeah, that was like a common thing. I mean it was the first smartphone because over time they added in all the features you would have with phone and had an email, had a web browser, and uh it was it was the first smartphone. The early web browser websites were crazy to look at. Yeah it looks bad. Well yeah they were just text based. Yeah yeah, crazy crazy that we had full different versions of website. Yeah you had the m dot or slash mobile. That's what you have to do. Yeah, yeah, that was absurd, crazy, so much extra work. Yeah, the coach just didn't exist to make it respond anyways, there was nothing to respond to the screen, wasn't there yet? Yeah, yeah, but they so this became a huge movement. They kind of created the smartphone sector. A bunch of other companies started trying to get to a similar device to what they had, but no one was even close. And so they got to eight million worldwide users in what year two thousand and seven? March two thousand and seven is when they're at eight million. Yeah, something we all know. Yeah, there was a an important moment in two thousand and seven when Steve Jobs unveiled the iPhone. Yes, and he did that. We talked about it a lot. Yeah, yeah, the phone, wallet, keys, all the things you forget. What was it? A phone, an iPhone, a web browser, yeah, phone, a music player, a web browser, phone, a music player? Oh web browser? Are you getting it? All? One device? And ovation people sacrificing goats across the conference room. Crazy dude, I got this go from best Friends. I got this go from best Buy? Why do you think they bought ba is By? That's a vegan sacrifice right there? What they don't call killing animal? You gotta kill a robot animal? Oh oh yeah, right, so the spirits can't know robot you go you you tour in the city. It's got a little icon on the ground. You go in. Yeah, you go down the stairs, well, you ride the slide, the slide down. You get in there and there's like a stained glass window on the door, so you can kind of peer through the white seeing it. Yeah, there's all these people in these robes and they're there humming, and in the middle there's this big pedestal and you see that there's a pedestal and there's a guy marching towards it with a torch and on the pedestal you look closely and you're you're like, could that is that? And then it's one of those little from two thousand and four dogs. That's a different direction that I was going. It's one of those little those weird looking herbies. Yeah, Ferbi, Yeah, it's a smash it and the spirits are like, this appeases us, We're so happy. We love animals. Thinks I was gonna say a room, but just a room bumping up against the edge of the thing. They burn it. Itch butch but stupid. So the iPhone comes out, and the big thing about the iPhone and what Steve jobs his his like main motivation for it, and he even talked about in that press conference. The part of the press conference that was less no buttons. Yeah, as he said, you look at the BlackBerry, half of this device is taken up taking up my buttons. And when you're not using the buttons, they're still there. They're still taking up half the device. And so the whole thing too is if you put in your pocket, you're clicking but yeah, you're clicking buttons and all that thing. And so he wanted to find a way where you could get rid of the buttons, have more screen real estate, which means you could have more or device to enjoy what you're actually trying to look at. People forget how often pocket dialing was happening. Yeah, it was a very common thing. Yeah, yeah, and it was very Yeah, so this was like people blocking out. I mean like people's lives were getting up ended by pocket dials. Man. You would you would to pocket dial someone and then you'd be talking bad about that person and they would, you know, they'd get a voicemail. Yeah, of you being like can you believe because it was always the same person, always the same person that you were talking about, because you only had a couple of people in your contact list. Yeah, so you only talked about a couple of people buying their back Anyways, Yeah, what a lot of people thought is that this was I mean, I guess in retrospect, a lot of people think that this was the moment that BlackBerry just ended, like this killed them. Yeah, and I found necessarily true. Yeah, iPhone did kind of sign their death warrant. But it took some time. Yeah, because over the next couple of years, BlackBerry continued to grow until twenty twelve. BlackBerry in twenty twelve was up to eighty million worldwide users. Okay, and so that I mean they were eight million in two thousand and seven, So they still like rapidly were expanding. The thing is, the majority of that growth was outside the US, right, and so there was the BlackBerry outpaced the iPhone in a lot of other countries because the iPhone was significantly more expensive and so it was a similar experience. But as soon as this becomes an affordable product, yeah, then it starts. Then they started to decline. The BlackBerry also research in motion. By this time they had rebranded to just BlackBerry was the name of the company. By this point, they they started trying to create a device that was the full touchscreen phone. But one thing that they thought was like the main selling point of their phone was the feedback you get from the buttons of the feeling, And so they tried to create a phone where where it had actual physical buttons under the screen that when you weren't using it, it looked it would just display the screen, but when you were using it would display the buttons and you could actually get that button feedback. And it did not work well. It worked really poorly. And so which phone did you have? What do you mean when you were, like in freshman year of high school? What phone did you have? I had an A in high school. What did you what was your first one? Your first phone? Oh, I couldn't. I don't even think they had a name. Like it was just an organic flip phone. I don't even think it had a name. It was like an off brand flip phone. Oh for real? Yeah, what did you have? I had a Samsung slider phone. Yeah, I had. I had a sidekick. It was just a T mobile sidekick. I don't know. You could type sideways. No, you like you hit it and it spun around. Oh. I had slid up and I had buttons and it could slide down. Yeah, and then I upgraded to a Palm. I had a Palm. I don't when I was a it was basically a BlackBerry. Interesting, Yeah, I had. I had a few, like off brand flip phones, had a few off brand slider phones. Yeah, the T Mobile what did I just call it? I forgot the name Sidekick. Sidekick was the only one that was like a big name brand one. I had a Razor knockoff. Yeah, I had a Razor uh back half of high school. Yeah, I didn't get I didn't get an iPhone until my junior year. Yeah. I didn't get an iPhone until college. I got an ABU senior year. I got a senior year on an iPhone. I think, really I got an HTC. I think in senior year of high school, like an HDC Windows phone slider phone two thousand and then in college I think sophomore year of college I got my first iPhone. Here we go. I was kind of late to the iPhone game. I think iPhone five was my first iPhone. I don't like that it says vintage slider cell phone. That's what I had. It was white though, honestly those were fun like those like the sliding effect and the flip effect. Yeah. I used to love to just flip my flip phone and let it open up in the air and then catch it and that's how you answer. There it is. I had this with the orange highlights on it and everything that was white. I do remember that one. Yep, I remember that one. Yeah, yours, yours. I was thinking you were saying this like the sideways keyboard. Oh, the Envy, Yeah, yeah, I had one similar to that, but it wasn't the Envy. Oh man. My parents refused to buy name brand stuff. It was kind of crazy that I got a psych This is just taking me back. Do you remember the Let's see Mobile? Because the only way my dad bought a phone was if literally, I'm not even kidding, the only way my dad got a new phone is he would call T Mobile and he would say I'm canceling my service and then they would send free phones for everyone. That was the only way we got phon. So we only got off brand stuff from that because it was the Mobay chocolate. The chocolate I was a huge deal because it had it had a music player. Music. Yeah, that one is sick. That was the That was like two thousand in six and seven. Yeah, where you could have because I had an iPod nano. Yeah, yep, yep. Geez man, this is interesting. iPod didn't have a screen. You had this shuffle. Yeah, yeah, the shuffle was weird man. The ironically, so, when Apple was developing the iPhone, originally one of the prototypes that they got because they were having a hard time getting the touch screen thing to work right, but they knew they needed to get a phone to get well, I shouldn't say knew they wanted to get a phone to get into the market. So one of their mockups was very similar to the iPod, where it had the rotary wheel thing. Yeah, but that was the only user interface, and so you actually used it like a rotary phone to dial numbers. So you would spin it around. Oh how would you text on it? Spin it around? I don't know how you would text on it. Yeah, that's insane. I think you could. That's interesting to rotary though, Yeah, I think you could. If I remember right, there was a way to type because you could search and I remember, like you it would go across the keyboard and then you left you could text, like yeah, that would be insane, that would be really insane. Yeah, this what's crazy. We have. We have some gen z uh listeners and watchers who all hail the watcher, who have no idea what T nine texting is. Yeah, yeah, yeah we this was for our gen z listeners. This is probably a pretty big okay boomer mill Are you a teen? That? Were you a T nine guy? For sure? I was not, really, I was just a full on I'm going to be in control and go and type the whole word. That's insane. I was fast, that's insane. That was really quick. I bet I could still do it. Yeah, let's get some. Let's get someone that's race. I bet we can find some on eBay for like bet we could get those for so cheap. Do they still sell SIM cards? Yeahs a SIM card in the in my Galaxy phone. Yeah, there we go, let's do it. Let's just SIM card in your iPhone. No, these virtual simiiphones now not yours. I'm pretty sure they don't your iPhone twelve. Let me see this thing. I'm pretty sure unless that maybe that is. That's what I'm saying. Let me see it. I'll tell you, I'll let you. I'm not going to open it. Yeah, that's it that's where you're some card is the new ones all have virtual sims though, Yeah, but you don't have a new one. Bro, let's say it together. You're hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things Other Than last Night. If you're here and you're a little shocked because you've been watching ASMR videos all night and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick and join back in the ASMR. One thing that would help us a lot, and the algorithm is if you have some comments or some reviews, if you're on the podcast app, we'd really appreciate that and it would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. But if not, and you're just here trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. But here's another advertisement. Jeez, okay, I know this is reminiscing. So they so in December first, twenty twelve, they had eighty million users worldwide. At that point they had captured forty one or forty five percent of the global smartphone market. Wow, okay. Over the next ten years they just slowly declined. And just wait, which year did they release it as a phone instead of just an email thing? Two thousand and three I think yeah, two thousand and three, okay, uh and so yea and seven. It was like the business phone, like if you were a business person. That was how I was always marketed originally, especially like when it was a phone for professionals. Yeah, because before it was even a phone, when it was just an email device, email was still noting everybody did. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't like it wasn't a public It was either you use this for work or you use this to get scammed out of all your money. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. But over time, like email became a more popular things, they started marketing it to everyone, right, the phone feature, and it became but it still was very popular business because a lot of businesses, the BlackBerry became a status symbol. And it also was something that the company would buy in bulk for all their employees so that way they could keep in touch with you at all times. Right, because before a lot of people don't realize this, there was a time when you would clock out and you were gone. Yeah, there's no way for them to and yeah, this changed that. This made it possible for them to get ahold of you at all times, sweet time. And what was interesting about how they got the deal. They got the deals with a lot of the like Verizon in Bell South and all these companies, because they were like, your people are going to be able your your customers are going to be able to be more connected. They're doing email, they're doing phone calls, they're doing messages. There's a lot more moving through, so you're selling more minutes, you're selling more text messages. Well, they got the deal done off that sale, like that selling point, and then they launched BlackBerry Messenger BBM is what they called it, and it was basically face yeah, and so then but you had to pay the service to BlackBerry. So BlackBerry got paid for all your texts and it was more reliable than the text messaging was, and so everybody would go to Blackberries. Yeah, you could only communicate with other people with Blackberries, but it was kind of a status. Yeah, it was a status thing. Well, here's what's interesting was the BlackBerry. The audacity of BlackBerry. In the late two thousands, when Facebook launched messenger and Instagram had DMS and all these other companies had like a messaging feature, BlackBerry tried suing all these companies to be like, you're stealing our idea. Which is just like it's it's just a messenger. What do you mean, like you're stealing our idea? So they try to act like it was proprietary what they were doing, and they were still in all these other companies, Well they just try what INTP did to them. I mean, I guess that's fair, and I mean, to be fair, they did get in suits with just about every company you can think of, sure, which is kind of just a corporate thing to do, Like you have a legal department that just goes around being like can we make money off of yeah? Kind of honestly that's the corporate world. But anyways, the peak of in twenty twelve, they hit their peak forty five percent of the global market. Today it's zero percent. Technically it's like zero point zero is zero one, Like there's people who have them, but it's effectively zero percent of the global markets in use. And they they shifted their focus from selling phones and pro and consumer products to cybersecurity. So they're like still a company and they're still a pretty successful company doing cybersecurity products, and they're selling software to businesses cybersecurity, and they have the phone division. They still sell the phones. I don't think they're making any new phones anymore. I think they yeah, made the last one in twenty eighteen, but technically still do sell them and service them. Motorola is trying to make their comeback. Yeah, I saw they made the Razor two or whatever. Why. I mean, the razor was sick, honestly, and I say this it's full conviction. I don't know if there has been a thing in my life that has been cooler than the Motorola Razer, like cooler, like just that was so freaking sick. Yeah, you guys hear the poor right. I was like, Tim's got an Ipho twelve because you know, some people have like some rich people have like private planes, and some people own islands, and some people own boats. Some middle class people have a payment on a boat. They don't know it yet the bank does. Uh. But uh but Tim. Tim is on here, unashamedly saying the coolest thing I've ever had. I didn't say I've ever had. I said I remember scene. I didn't have one. Oh scene. It's just the coolest thing that's ever existed in my lifetime. In my lifetime, there are stealth bombers, but stealth bombers are war spaces nerds. The motorol eraser. You pull a motorol eraser out in math class, send a text message on that motorol eraser. Holy crap, that's a cool guy. That guy is so cool in that motoroal eraser. It has one vowel. The other vowel they just got rid of, so they nowadays are still in business. Whatever. There's here's the deal. This whole topic I brought up because of this guy. Can you pronounce his name? Ball Silly? Yeah, So this guy, Ball Silly. A couple of important things about Ball Silly. So he's the business man, the big, big bad business boy at the company. And he came in, what are you looking at me like that? For? I look at you like that, I looking at our audience like that Where you guys heard him say that big bad business boy. That's what the BBBS bureau BBB big bad business boy. That's what it stands for. Okay, let's try it again, buddy, let's try it business bureau. You're saying b B B. No no no no no no no no no no no no stop stop stop side b B big bad business business. The second piece, the third the second piece to be second P S two b's okay, that's why the second accounts for dude, big bad business. Point. No, you have abbreviations all the time where it doesn't count all the words. Like it's just like, oh, this doesn't work at our cool abbreviation world. We're gonna drop one of those. And they're like, is just an extra P. It's bp B, why not make it b B b B. But that's just kind of about you don't know when you do four bes in a row, you don't know how many bees. You said, you look at any peace business bad business boy, he's the deal. So he all these guys got super freaking rich off of this. Okay, they were doing ten billion a year at the peak of the company rich. This sucks these guys. These guys were literal billionaires they're making they made a billion dollars off this, literally and so balsilly living in uh Canada, big hockey boy, okay, and he said, how cool would it be if Canada had a hockey team. They had a few, but he wanted his town to have a hockey that's like their thing. No, he wanted he wanted his town in Canada to have a hockey team. Okay, in his town. I said in the beginning, do you remember it's some Keynadian town. It's not like one of the It's not it's not Toronto or Calgary like one of the ones. You know. I mean, it's a one you probably have heard of, Waterloo. Yeah, see you've heard of it, but it's not sure it's important. So Waterloo. So he went to the NHL and he tried really really hard to get a franchise, and so he tried in two thousand and six to get the Pittsburgh Penguins. The board voted against him. In two thousand and seven, he tried to get the Nashville Predators and the board voted against him. In two thousand and nine, he tried to get the Phoenix Coyotes and the board voted against him. In twenty eleven, he tried to get the Sabers, and this time he used it. He didn't put his name on the bit. He was like, He's like, if they don't know it's me, maybe I could get it. And the board shut him down. What is on taper is that they knew that he was trying to move a team to Canada. And then we got plenty of those we don't need anymore. We don't want any more teams in Canada. We don't like it there. Okay, what in reality was is they did not like him at all. They thought he was an arrogant businessman. And allegedly, I don't know if this is true, but allegedly their biggest competitor was Palm Pilot in the early days, and Polm Pilot tried a hostile So when I said earlier, I had a palm and you went, I don't know who that is. Did you have a palm Pilot? I don't know what a palm is. Yeah, Paul is the company. Pilot's the phone. That's like saying, like you know, a Honda Civic and you're like, I'm pretty sure palm Pilot was owned by a different company, like pom Pilot was the the thing. Palm Pilot was owned by Paul. I love this so annoying. It was you a robotics and then it became Paul. That's what I'm thinking. I used to think it was. I thought it was just robotic. I think owned by Ford. It's like something else. Honest is just a name. Whatever. Man, I should be the teacher on this show. Pilot. Bomb Pilot wanted to came to Research in Motion early BlackBerry days and said, hey, we want to like partner with you, and so here's an offer. And Research Emotion was like, we don't like that offer, and pump Pilot was like, what about a hostile takeover? Your Your shares are super cheap, and so they were like, yeah, what if we were just like, which is a corporate pirates? Yeah, like we're gonna jump on your boat. We're gonna jump on your boat and there's nothing you can do about it. This is my boat now. And so they threatened it and they were like, they're like, sell it to us or we're gonna hostile take over, and they like, okay, we'll sell it to you, and they like drug their feet until they could get a really big deal and make their shares go up to where the Palm Pilot could afford it. They pulled it off. They got lucky. They kind of flew a little close to the sun there, but they didn't pull it off. So pomp Pilot and Mike Paul Silly or Jim Paul Silly specifically had like beef and so he was constantly yeah, I would say bragging to the owner of Palm Pilot to be like, what, how much better we are than you? And I guess allegedly, I don't know if this is true, but I guess allegedly he was in the process of buying the Penguins the first purchase, and he was bragging to the owner of the Palm Pilot in two thousand and six to be like, you guys still come buying in an NHL team, And I guess that got back to NHL and they were like, we don't want this guy and our owner group. Yeah, so they just blocked him out of it. From that point on, Balcilly was a part of another interesting thing because the SEC came knocking in the middle of their big explosive growth in like two thousand and seven. Because what Balsilly did was and Mike knew about Mike lozartists knew about this. It wasn't just Balsilly's thing. But it seems like Basili was kind of like the figurehead of this. He said, Hey, we need to cover a lot of ground so that way we could come out as the front runner on this, and we need to do it quickly. But they don't have the top talent in the world. They have good talent that on the top talent. And so what they did is they went to Google, Microsoft, Motorola, all the biggest companies in the world, and they came and they were like, Hey, we're going to offer you this really big salary and this huge stock compensation package. And they said, but what we're going to do is the stock compensation package, We're going to give it to you three years ago when it was way cheaper, and so they put the date on it. They just scribbled it out and changed the date on it, so that way what today would have been like two hundred and fifty grand in stocks is ten million in stocks, and so they're like, you get ten million in compensations. They were able to attract ridiculously down to people that they could not normally afford, right, and they were giving them ridiculously high compensation packages. They were lying, Yeah, they were frotting, and the sec investigation sound that they knew exactly what they were doing. And even a lot of the employees, like last them, they were like is this legal, Like are you allowed to do this? And they're like, we'll pay the fines. I have an NHL team. He was like he's like, first of all, I've got an NHL team, and so you heard of them? Yeah, And they're like, yeah, that's yours. And he's like, uh, everything, I go to a lot of I've seen the stadium before. And so they they end up getting this whole uh, this case comes down on them ball silly uh and the whole Mike, Lizartist and another COO or ordered to pay back eighty three million dollars for this compensation thing. They ended up going back to the which was like the maximum penalty they could have got. They end up going back appealing. They got it down to forty and they split it three ways. And these guys are billionaires, so it didn't really matter. One of the interesting things was Jim Balsilli was put on like a prohibitionary period probation probationary period, and so he wasn't allowed to be a CEO anymore, and so he maintained his board seat, but he wasn't allowed to be a part of the company CEO in the day to day No, there was a probationary period and so for a year he was removed from his CEO seat. He was on the board and then that expired and then he went right back to being CEO as you would. And then he started He continued doing all the same stuff he was doing before, allegedly, but never got as NHL team. The company became very, very successful, but declined pretty quickly. In twenty fourteen, both of them sold all their stock and left the company. But the biggest winner Doug. Doug freakin Doug. This little guy became this guy, and he had the foresight. In two thousand and seven, when iPhone announced their their switch teams, he sold all of his stock saw that for one point two billion dollars. And now he dresses up like a race car driver and he's actually one of the world's richest men. Got out really early, Yeah, got out really early. I think he does do a race. I don't think he just dresses up like a race car driver. I think he does like it's some charity race every year. But he was the biggest winner. Freaking there's no point for end. There's still white sEH white number seventeen. I don't know what that means. Okay, it's Canada, it's a different place. I don't know what that means. But yeah, he's the biggest winner out of all this he and for him, Him and him and Mike Loz artists. Mike and Mike and him were like childhood friends. They started the company. Now they have like a but when they when it went down, Yeah, do they lose all their money? Then they lost money, Yeah, but I don't want to say they lost all their money because the company, the company ended up being able to restructure started just doing cybersecurity. They were still selling UH phones outside the US, they just weren't really big in the US anymore. Yeah, And then over time their phones lost market share, but they were the replacement cybersecurity. So the company was able to pivot. And it's still around and they're still selling cybersecurity products. They're not as big as they used to be. They used to be the number one and player I think in Canada. Maybe maybe just in their municipality, but at least in that municipality, they were the number one player. Today they're just a decent sized company. They're still listed on publicly on the stock market. You can invest it if you want. I don't know if I would, but you could. If you want, I would. I'll take out a twenty five thousand dollars personal loan to drop into BlackBerry stock, but him and Doug and Mike BlackBerry to the moon. Doug and Mike have a nonprofit that they're running, and they're also doing like venture funds. Jim just fishes. I think that's it. Yeah, so this is for Robert and for our team. Can we instead of uh, instead of like the fiddle off this time, can we do like an old ring tone? Yeah, that'd be really cool. That's the story of BlackBerry. Had had a lot of opportunity to they were the front runner. They could have stayed the front runner if they had the same kind of vision that iPhone did, but they didn't, and that's why I think AM is going to go out of business in the next fifteen years. Hot take. Yeah, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked this one, you should check out AT and T. We look at a time in the past when they were just a monopoly, a straight up monopoly. They got broken up by the US government. They said what you're doing is wrong, so they broke them up in a bunch of different pieces, and then over the years AT and T said, we don't care about the law, and they just bought them all back up and became a monopoly again, really really cool, great episode, a lot of history, and also it's about phones and stuff. So if you like this one, maybe you'd like that one too. But hey, if you like the show, the best way to support us is by becoming a patron. But if you don't want to become a patron, a really good way that you can support us is by checking us out on social. You can follow us on social uh, in literally every platform. We're just at tillin Podcasts. Great play place to support the show and keep up with our content. Watch some funny videos, see some funny pictures. Great thing to do. But we're just glad that you're here and we'll see you next week. Upon things I learned last night


BlackBerry was once the undisputed king of smartphones. In the early 2000s, their devices were ubiquitous, especially among business professionals. The iconic BlackBerry design, with its full QWERTY keyboard and trackball navigation, was the epitome of high-tech style. So how did this pioneer fall from grace so swiftly when the iPhone arrived on the scene? BlackBerry started in 1984 when … Read More

You Won’t Believe the Culty Background of The Best Friends Animal Society

05-21-24

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Hey, thanks for checking out things. And then last night this is an educational comedy podcast, and today we are talking about the Best Friends Animal Society. In this episode, we kind of dig into their history. It's a little sketchy. We find out how culty their background is slight culty, yeah, and how connected they are to some pretty sketchy people in the past. It's a lot of fun, that's true. If you've got a time machine, you can go back in time to some of the shows I did last month. April was very busy for me. May is a little slower, just chilling out, so sorry you missed them. But this is a This is a comedy podcast where we learn stuff. And one of the ways to help us grow this show is to share it with somebody. So please do that. Send this episode, don't even listen to it yet, send it unlistened and share it with a friend. That's and that's that's also pretty culty. That is a pretty culty thing. We're going to get into their weird history. And so they've built this like resort, but the sets and then you're like, let's go volunteer pretty clever. And so I'm going to show you some of their marketing material. And this is I don't know how long I can leave this on screen, so you need to look because we might get to demonetize if I leave this up too long. Oh that is things I learned last night. What's up? Have you ever heard of the Best Friends Animal Society? The Best Friends Animal Society be fast b f A s uh no so. Best Friends Animal Society is a nonprofit organization in canab, Utah. Here's an aerial view of their facilities, a very large animals sanctuary, and you can kind of tell I was gonna say, I can see the little friends size looks first glance off an aerial photo clean setup. Sometimes you see some of these, you know, home farms or whatever. Yeah, that are not Yeah, this is not that. This is very well done. And they even named each of their zones. There's the uh dog Town, cat World, Horsehouse like they've got names Horsehouse. I don't know. I don't know what the horses area is. I made that one up, but they can take it if they want it. They are This animal shelter is famous for a couple of reasons. One in the nineties. They started in the nineties and it was kind of a pioneer in the no kill movement, and so they are like, hey, we don't kill any of our animals. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. There's no retirement plans, no retirement plans. We just let them stay here into Lidden's. They're also famous for taking in about half of Michael Vick's dogs. Oh so they took twenty two of his dogs in. He had forty, They had forty seven. I guess I don't know about all the Michael VICKI we were young when that happened. Yeah, it's pretty sketchy. It's very sketchy. You had like a full ring going on, like a people. I mean I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was pretty bad. So yeah, they're famous for both of those things. Recently they were in the news again because they had a really great idea. They said, hey, we are a nonprofit organization. Yea, we have a lot of employees that do the work, but there's a lot of work to do. I mean, you saw you see how big this place is. You saw the scale of this. I mean this is a big campus. You got dog Town and cat World. There's a lot of turtle Worsehouse, turtle Turtle Topia, Turtle. There's a lot of places going on here, an airy canopy, there's a lot of work, and they said, you know what, we need volunteers. But here's the thing. Cannab Utah. The thing you need to recognize about cannab Utah is it is I mean, the location is a beautiful area. Yeah, the location is a beautiful area. It's just north of the north rim of uh Antarctica, the Grand Gated Yeah. Uh, just like just northwest of Monument Valley. Uh, just west of Lake Powell, just south of uh, what's that place called I'm drawing a blank. No, I mean it is south of Salt Lake. But not like oh yeah, there's a national park right there that's super cool, like just like the Dues so sick, not the dunes. It's it's another canyon, but it's like a lush canyon and it's like trees and stuff and plants. But it's like it's like the Grand Canyon at the Grand Canyon have plants. Okay, I'm talking about it's super famous. This is gonna drive me crazy. I'm gonna remember halfway through this episode, obviously you know what I'm talking about. Oh, this is Zion Zion National Park. So yeah, so it's it's a beautiful area, but there's also just now a lot of people that live in that area, so they don't have a lot of access to volunteers. So they had a genius idea recently, let's get the Mormons involved. They said, let's build a hotel for you and your pet. So they've got a hotel that's like a pet friendly hotel. So you're supposed to kind of cute though. Yeah, and so like you come in and my wife would love that. The King suites have like like doghouses built into them, so they're like you because that comes out from unerneath the bed. Yeah, so this is a guess like the standard suite. She tells her. I was like, bring your dogs, never your cats. Well they've got they've got everything for your pets. When we moved, we had our cats in the car and we stayed at like two hotels in the way out. Was we to stop and uh in my I love my wife, she doesn't stay in hotels as often as I do. Yeah, And uh so I was like, you know, I'm not going to pay the I'm not going to tell them I'm bring our cats in. I'm not going to pay the thing, yeah, you know. And so she was like, what do they catch us? They're not like, No one at the front desk is like, where are those cats going? Which room are you guys in? No one's made that. Peppa like just walk in with them, yeah yeah, yeah. And so but she was, she was she was looking super sketch. As we have these cat carriers cover with blankets. They look like bags of drugs microwaves, That's what I say. They were guys trying to sneak a microwave into here. Who can't bring microwaves into a hotel. They've already got mic ways in there. You're not allowed to bring your own microwave to a hotel. That's the number one rule of hotels. You can't bring your own microwave. But yeah, they's the number one rule. It's a bigger fine than smoking in the room. Yeah, yeah, it's important to them killing someone they want the microwave. What's the point of them buying a microwave from the room if you just go Most my hotels don't have microwaves anymore. That's so annoying. No hotel in Vegas has microwaves. Do you know that, is there a reason for that? Or refridge? They want you to have a refrigerator in the room. They want you to go down and eat, spend money, yeah, yeah, and they don't want you to have leftovers sacked up. Yeah they don't have You can get a refrigerator in your room for twenty five dollars in night. Did they roll it in like one of those extra beds. Yes, they do, we found on our honeymoon. No, it's it's the smallest. It's not even like the think what a mini fridge looks like, and it's many of that. It's a miniature version of a mini it's a micro micge fridge. Just use the ice, see what you mean. But yeah, so they built this, they built this hotel. Yeah, and it's and it's actually kind of cool. They got the they got the doghouses. But it's not like they put a doghouse in the room. It's like they built it into the walls and it's like they go, they've got a place that can run up through the walls and like come out to. It's like really cool for the dogs. And then they've got like all these places like they've got a dog run. They out a park. I mean they have pet they have cat stuff too, They've got bird stuff. They've got stuff for literally any pet you can. They let you bring your bird and then let my cats chase your bird. So my wife wants us to get I didn't know this. I know we're getting through the episode. Sure, okay, pair it. Yeah, you know like the red blue macaw? Yeah right, yeah. How long do you think those live? Fifty years? Did you know that it's it's like sixty to seventy years. Yeah, that's absurd. So there's a family member that we've got who is trying to figure out who to give her macaw to because she's gonna die before it. Oh yeah yeah yeah, And are you guys trying to get it? Reagan? Reagan's ears poked up whenever that conversation happened. She was like, can I have? I want it? Yeah, because apparently like they'll they're like mischievous, they'll like learn to bark like your dog. If you've got a maca, it would be like and then you'd be like quincy, Yeah the heck the birth well, like be in your bed and it'll pull the blankets over itself, and like they're like a little little sposters man, and that like appeals to Reagan a lot. She's like, She's like, I really want that in my house. So fun. I'm like, okay, we have a two bedroom apartment in Los Angeles. Did you know there are wild parrots in Los Angeles? I didn't know that wild wild like they are they So in the fifties, somebody brought over their parrots. Yeah, like these green macaws and then they either got out or they were let loose. And now that I know how long they live, I'm now thinking like it might straight up be the fifties generation. It might be the same birds. That's crazy and so talk. They're so loud. Yeah, do they talk? They don't. They just say the same stuff that so they whatever a fire and drives by, they go crazy. Guy, He's no, they don't say. We're they're like they are very loud though they talk to each other. They're very like, yeah, they're super they sound like the bird from Aladdin. Yeah, yeah, that's great. But yeah, if you look at the hotel website, like it had lists all these things for the your pets to do while they're there, and they've got pet places and things for them to do pet massage. Yeah, it's all stuff like that. And then they list things to do for people. They literally have them separate nothing. They've got a couple of things. It's like the pool, Vegan Continental Breakfast. Yeah. Pool. The first thing in the list though, is volunteer at the best Friend's Animal Society. And so they built this like resort, but you pets, and then you're like, let's go volunteer. Pretty clever. Actually it's a good business model. Yeah, it's pretty clever. They're they're also famous for angels. Rest is what they call it. This is It's exactly what it sounds like. It's a cemetery. Cemetery, which is creepy. That's fine, I don't know. Cemeteries are scary, especially for animals. You should do we should do an episode on cemeteries because I was looking at a way of how uh Europe does their cemeteries or the United States as our cemetaries, and how our system is literally just nights. There's no way we can keep this up. Really, Yeah, we're gonna run out of room. Interesting. I always thought it was kind of weird how much we respect the dead. Anyways, Hey it's me again. Thanks for being here for this episode. If you like what we're doing, it does cost us money to do this, and so just think about that. You know, that's it. I'm kidding. No, we have Patreon supporters and it really helps us to make this show possible. Honestly, we're so grateful for everyone who listens to the show, but there's there's people who want to make more of it happen, and so they financial support the show, and then you get a lot back for it. You get our private discord where we chat every day. We're hanging out and just getting to bond and hang out. We also do live zoom hangouts for our Patreon supporters. You get exclusive merch. It's a good time. There's a lot in it for you and and it's a lot in it for us because we get to know you better. You know, you're not just a number and a stat board or whatever, but you know you're our friends and we appreciate you a lot. So consider doing that. If not, then you can listen to this dumb little ad because that's how we're gonna get money from you. We're gonna leach from you. Either way, we're gonna get paid. We're in this for the cold hard cash baby. Anyway, here's an ad. How do they how do they get it? Though? I realized I forgot to put a ct A in mind. Oh yeah, they can text tillan to six six eight sixty six. Thanks Jared. Okay, so you're disrespect the dead sounds like what a metal band screams when it's like they'd make the wall, and then it's like dead respect God. I mean, I'll tell you what. My brain does come up with some pretty good breakdown riffs. I shouldn't be a chugger. That's what they're called. I think you're right, that is what they call them. Chugs. Yeah, this is guitarist. This is our basis does our drummer, that's our chugger. This is honestly all I've got to talk about. I think I'm out of no, I'm kidding. Great, here's the thing. Yeah, why does this get interesting? This is? This seems right now, this seems like a paid advertisement for this hotel. They've got wonderful amenities. You can stay there, you can volunteer for their thing. Well, wait to hear the rest of it. It's going to sound a lot less like a paid advertisement. So this the organization that started. The Best Friend's Society is an organization that's been around since sixty six. Yes, but in sixty six it was a little different called the Mormon Church. It's called the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. So this is a it's a cult. So the it's a cult, baby, let's get into it. So it was started by these two individuals, Marianne McLean and Robert Dave Grimston. They were Robert with their mugshots. I assume they've got them. I don't know if their mugshots or sport photos. I can't really tell. Wow, when you see the image of Robert, is that his name Robert Robert grims Did this guy looks like a cult imagine a cult leader. Yeah, that's him. He looks like in my in my opinion, he looks like Zoro That's what I'm saying. Like he looks he looks like he's gonna cut you with the saying, cheek bones, very handsome guy. Yeah, I would follow him at the ends of the year. What do you want me to do? Tell me, tell me, Robert, I'll do it. Whatever you want me to do, I'm doing it. So Robert was an architecture student. That's how all carls began. If you like shapes that much, you're gonna start a weird religion. All architects are psychos man, so he architecture students, not architects. People who yeah, architects. Yeah. So he was an architecture student. After architecture school, him and all of his architecture colleagues kind of lost touch with each other for a while. Okay, because he all of his colleagues went and they got jobs in architecture. Sure, we're going to be architects now. And he said, I'm going to check out this sweet new thing called scientology. And so he went to scientology for a minute, started learning a little bit about what they're doing. And this is early scientology. This is before they scientology learned that if he was like, oh, you guys are just making this up. No, it was before who oh boy, it was before scientology found out that if they made it a religion, then they were like exempt from a bunch of stuff. And so he was learning about scientology and he was like, this is really interesting. But he defected from scientology because he said, hey, what you guys they were using those little e machines or whatever they called them, where they held onto the polls and he's like, all you guys are trying to do is make everybody just little l Ron hubbards. And he's like, he's like, I don't want a bunch of l Ron hubbards. He's like, I think you guys are using the machine wrong. And he's like, if we get the machines, we can find out who people really are and get their enneagram type. He didn't call it that, but that's basically what he was saying. He said, we could figure out who people really are kind of helped guide them through their life in the proper way. Sure, use these machines properly. So he bought a bunch of machines from the people who were manufacturing them, which were chiropractors, and he took one of the scientologists, he met Mary Anne Clean, and he said, let's go to London and let's call up a bunch of my architecture friends. I bet they'll be down to do this with us. And so they go, and at first it wasn't like a church because it again they hadn't even the Church of Scientology hadn't figured this out yet. So This was really really early in this era. They were calling it compulsions analysis, and so it was kind of like almost like a psychology thing, Like they learned a lot from Alfred al Adler, and they were using psychology and these e machine things to understand who you are as a person and help you live as that person and like live Tordure strengths. It really was a personality assessment basically, they were starting. And so they get a group together and they're doing all this research and they're helping people find what they are. And then that came time to name their personality types. And so they said, how can we what what are the four personality types? We got here? And they did what was really logical, and they said, there's four personality types. Right, you're either a Jehovah, a Jesus, a Satan, or a lucifer as the four that they's picked. I don't know why, I know what, Okay and uh. And then they said, hey, we need to come up with a logo and they were like what it was a cross on fire. They were like, hey, we love shapes. We're architects, we love shapes, ok And so I'm going to show you some of their marketing material. And this is I don't know how long I can leave this on screen, so you need to look. And it's going to be quick because we might get to demonetize if I leave this up too long. Oh that is it's exactly what you think it is. It's pretty uh swastik. Yeah, it's very swastik They say it's the four piece there are four piece interlaid next, but they don't look like that. They look very different than that. Yeah it's red. Yeah, it's red, and it's very swastikish. Yeah. Uh and so uh, they got some negative publicity in the community, especially in Europe in the sixties. People are like, I remember that not long ago. This is an insane thing. Enough long ago, but this certainly this is pretty recent still. Yeah, and they these people were like, hey, we're just architects. We just love shapes. Okay, Like it's not we didn't even realize it. You thought that one. You're the one we were minded the gutter in the gutter, Like we're just we're just we're just like cool shapes. That's a cool you can't you gotta admit it's a cool shape. Yeah. So they because of all this negative press, They're like, we need a rebrand, and so they're looking into it and people are saying, our logo looks looks a little suspect. But here's the thing. Subway's original logo too, it's just two essays. I don't know, what do you think? So they, uh, they rebranded. But here's the thing. This was this was during a time when like a lot of people were starting to get into, uh, starting cults, and they're like, hey, if we start a church, like we get this tax exem status and all this stuff, and there's a lot of benefits to being a church, and people are more likely to donate to a church than they are to a business. Right, So they decided they were a church, and so they became the Processed Church of uh, the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. Ironically, they rebranded, didn't change the logo. So, yeah, we're the process Church of the Final Judgment. And their theology was that there it was. It was a a branch of neo gnosticism. I don't know if you're familiar with this, it was really popular in this era. Yeah. Basically that there is that God and Satan were like two equivalent deities that are at war with each other. And in this era, a lot of people in this era, especially in like the hippie world and the cult world, were like, oh, Satan's actually the good guy. God is the bad guys tricking us. Yeah, and so they a lot of them started working Satan. They took it in a different angle. What they said was that Okay, yeah, God is the good guy, Satan is the bad guy. But it's like a Ying and yang. There are two parts of one hole and they are getting ready to merge together, to be unified and back into one deity. And that's going to spark the end of the world. And they're like, and it's coming soon and so yeah, and so they were like, when that happens, we'll have the final judgment. That's why it's in the night. But this is it's it's interesting. I saw somebody mentioned in an interview about this talking about this is the Cold War and so obviously the world was it actually was like and it wasn't like it wasn't it wasn't really out that far. Fast was pretty like we're closer to it now than they were then. Yeah, at the end of the world. Oh, I mean like if if that war broke out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there there was, but we just don't live in the fear for some reason. Yeah, we were probably denial, probably should be a little more afraid to be scared. They were terrified. Every top intelligence agency actually says that, you know, because we're all like, oh, would never happen, because we would all shoot each other, and every top intelligence officers just like, ibe, it could happen, It could happen. So anyway, just have fun on your morning commute. Good morning every day. Yeah, And that's how they all felt. They they all felt, and they accurately that at any moment, some person in power could just decide to lost of the nukes and then the world's over yep. And so there was these kind of religious movements of like, hey, the world's about to end, and so we need to prepare for the end of the world. And everybody was kind of defining what that meant. And then they did some sketchy things. They decided, hey, what if we wore these cool robes with our logo on them, it does not get better at all. And then we wore our hair really long and grew out big beards. And then on top of that they were super evangelistic. They would go around in the community and in their robes just like that, and they'd be like, Hey, have you ever heard of Satan? Yeah, I've heard. You know that everything you know about Satan is a lie. Everything you've been told about the Dark Lord is actually incorrect, incorrect. So they they got a pretty bad reputation in the UK, and so they said, hey, things aren't going great here. What if we I don't know, moved to Utah on the beach somewhere. Oh, and so they went to NASA Bahamas and stayed there for a little bit. And in Bahamas, liepol NASA where Nasa? They went to NASA where Nasa Bahamas? What are you looking at me like that? For? Okay, do you think I'm wrong? Is there something that's exactly what I'm saying? Am I saying it wrong? Say Bahamas the Bahamas, Alex, say Bahamas, Bahamas, Bahamas. That's what I'm saying. You're actually like I'm saying it Bamas. I'm tired of your gas lighting me on this. If you're like me, I'm saying Bahamas, I'm saying the same thing you're saying. You're saying Bahamas. I'm saying Bahamas. That's the same thing. It's the same picture. Okay, I'm going to say, I'm going to say three different things. Okay, Bahamas, Yes, Bahamas, Okay, that's obviously different. Bahamas. Yes, that's what I'm saying. No, Oh my gosh, let me tell the rest of the stories. I was not even trying to do one of the oh you're saying it weird, Oh, we know, you're just okay, I was. I was making sure that Bahamas wasn't some place that I didn't know about. I know about the Bahamas, Bahamas, Bahama. You're saying Bahamas, that's where it is. Bahamas, Bahamas, Bahamas is not the same Missouri Missouri, which one's wrong. Different, it's literally not literally the literally the same exactly. So they go to Bahamas and they are there for a minute. Sure, a few months, couldn't really get established that we don't like the beach. Actually there's too much sand. Yeah, they said, what if we were actually in Mexico. So they go to Mexico and they're there for a minute, and they're like, we don't like this, let's go to the count Tampa nets So it still Mexico, but just a different part of it. And they're there for a little while and they love it. They're like, this is the place for us, and so they start trying to like build a village there, but there was another village already there, and they're like, what are you guys doing And they're like, you can't just come in and they're like, Okay, I guess you're right. We should go. And so they go to La for a minute. Leave La in the sixties. Yeah, they go there, but Scientology was there, and Scientology was like, you're using our machines. And they're like, you're right, we'll get out. No, no, our machines. They end up going to Bahamas, they end up going to southern Utah, and then things work out for them. They end up setting up branches in New York, New Orleans, La Mexico, like all these places that they kind of like test it out for their HQ. They start setting up these branches got it, and they had an interesting model that I'm gonna be honest with you, I think somebody's borrowed recently. They said, what if we build these little communes where everyone can live, and then near it, we build a coffee shop, and then we can welcome people into the coffee shop. And while people are there hanging out drinking coffee, reading, we can meet them, build relationship and then tell them about our Lord and Savior Satan who's borrowed it. Oh you know. And also the coffee shop is non taxable because it's part of our church. Part of our church. So it's sketchy, yeah, very sketchy. And so they're setting up all these coffee shops all over the country. I had a friend who told me that what I'm doing because I do comedy shows at churches, yes, I could establish myself as a ministry, and I would have to pay taxes. That's what you know that I'm not going to do that that I pay taxes. I pay taxes because I'm I am not going to take advantage of the system. Well, you don't pay taxes, you're planning to eventually taxes. I'm on a payment plan. I'm playing. I reluctively pay tax reluctant played to pay taxes eventually. But as for me, if there's a way I could get out of it, I would, I try so hard, but only legally. I only do it legally. I don't know. I might become a ministry. We'll see. And so they start like evangelizing this new religion and then something interesting happens. This movement becomes linked to two very significant people. You might note them as Charles Manson and the son of Sam. Wow. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things I Learned last night. If you're here and you're a little shocked because you've been watching as MR videos all night and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick and join back in the ASMR. One thing that would help us a lot and the algorithm is if you left some comments or some reviews if you're on the podcast app. We'd really appreciate that and it would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. But if not, and you're just here trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. But here's another advertisement. Well, Charles Manson just straight up says he was a member of the process Church. The sun they claim him we did questionable. Okay, So there is allegedly whenever Charles Manson was convicted, there's allegedly documentation where members of the Processed Church went to the police station to give their reports on him, and the police station said, we don't want your reports. And they said, but we know about him, and they said, we don't want your reports, and then they left. And now, yeah, similar thing with the Son of Sam. There is allegedly documentation where the Son of Sam. Because I don't know how familiar you are with the Son of Sam cases, but there is a very large swath of people that strongly believe that the Son of Sam did not act alone at the time and today, and so they think that there was multiple other people involved in the murders that he committed, but he was the only one who got to complain. And there's some pretty decent evidence that the FBI kind of trashed some evidence that linked back to some other people. Sure, and just let the Son of Sam take the fall for it, and especially his case is very it's hard to believe he could have pulled off what he pulled off alone, sure, because it seemed like yeah, anyways, and I'll say this, I there's a four year report, one hundred and seventy five page four year report on on the Best Friends Society. And it's interesting because in that the majority of it, probably one hundred and twenty pages of it are drawings and marketing material that the church put out that are pretty faded, hard to read. The rest of it is internal memos with the FBI studying the Processed Church in the early days, and then the Charles Manson case, the Son of Same case, and then later the Best Friends Society. In these internal memos, what is interesting in both the Charles Manson case and the Son of Sam case. These are heavily heavily redacted memos, so it's hard to say for sure what's going on, but it does look like they were. When both those cases happened, the FBI was looking into this organization and beliefs that they were connected to them. And in both cases there's a point where they said, we've been reviewing this Process Church and their connection to these murders. We believe that, and then it's redacted list of names were involved. We will not investigate this any further. Here's a lift of list of evidence to be destroyed, and it's like categorized evidence that's supposed to be destroyed. Okay, very strange both cases of both murders. Right. The church after this put out a serious statements saying they weren't involved in any way like the organization as a whole. And and theoretically they the organization might not have been, but there may have been some members because now it's getting like relatively large, the organization, but started facing some heat for this obviously, and and and this is now we're into the seventies. There is the Satanic panic is starting to spread because there was a lot of these cults that thought Satan was the good guy and were really typed on the devil. They actually hyped on the devil. Yeah, yeah, they actually sold out for Satan. Dare to Devil. I was gonna go Dare to die. But that was there to devils. They the church themselves. They had a put out a documentary called Sympathy for the Devil, Okay, and so like they you know, there was they genuinely were like it wasn't like they started a cult like a church to be like just evade taxes, like they were believing what they were. Okay, it's questionable, we'll touch on that again in a second, but Okay, what we need to know is there was a larger public zeitgeist that was against this stuff. Sure, and it was starting to really take shape, and so the church all of a sudden after the potential connections to the murders came out, so they weren't. Nobody involved at the church got convicted out of anything. They were publicly denied any connection, and according to the FBI, they like threw out all connection to them being a part of it. Whether or not they really were, it's a little bit of a gray area. It seems like the public concessus is that they weren't. But I don't know, it's it's grey. Sure, it's great. Uh So the church, Mary Anne decides, hey, we need to start campaigning, like, well, we've got some bad press here, and so she starts saying we should get rid of all the devil stuff. Yeah, we should bring in some puppies. She says, we should just do all the Jesus stuff, like we should just be a Christian church. And so she starts saying we should rebrand again and get rid of all the devil stuff, get rid of all the Satan stuff. It's a pretty hard sell. I think if you went to a church now, we're like, let's get rid of the Jesus stuff. Let's just go hail Satan. Yeah kinda and so she campaigns that they changed pretty much everything. Would you she's campaigning that, would you characterize what she's campaigning as is like saying we should She went to the group. She's like, guys, we're going one direction. We should we should of one eighty and go the other. Yeah, we should repent. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened. And so she she says, right, she says that not enough strong teaching these days. I'll tell you what, I'm so sick of the mamsy pamsy preachers out here, too afraid to call you out for your sin. You should repent, That's the way. So she was like, we should rename to the Foundation Church of Christ and Okay, get all the forget all the satan and stuff, do all the Jesus stuff, and start to look more Christian and uh yeah, so they're just doing it for the money. George was idea. He was like, I actually do love religion. This is a relationship that I have with our dark loword. And so this splintered the relationship between the two of them. They were married. I don't know if I mentioned this yet. They got married, they ended up getting a divorce. He goes off and he I, kids, you not goes off. He studies aliens. He studies satan, angels, and dolphins. I don't know why those four specifically, but he says, these four things, I'm going to devote the rest of my life towards the rest of my life for aliens. Well, it's because angels and dolphins speak the same language. That's actually overlooked a lot in a lot of biblical translations. It's like all the thousand eyes and wings and stuff. And also, ah, you know, yeah, that sounded more like a He literally claims, I'm not even kidding. He claims that he was meditating once and speaking to some dolphins while he was meditating, and they told him that the way that they keep records is with clamshells. So they the the like carves, the curves you see on a clamshell. That's their language. They're keeping records on clamshells, and that's how they passed down information from generations. Are their money. Yeah, so he gets crazy, but uh, and Mary Anne goes on and she's running this church and she says, what happens next is is foggy, but they're here. And she obviously was always an animal persons dolphins. Now he's gone talking to the dolphins. He's gone. The church is very splintered at this point. It's there's not a lot of unity with the church. She's got the Christian Church. There's still some devil people out there. But she is doing her thing, and there is a through line from this organization from the beginning. There's a story in Religion News of a kid who grew up in the church and the one of their teachings was that they didn't they didn't believe in like the traditional family, and so they all lived in communes, and so the kids were the community's kids. They weren't just it wasn't like this is my parents. It was like I'm part of the community. And so everybody was raised by the whole community. Sure, and apparently they were relatively abusive, not like not enough to get convicted, but like they weren't good to the kids, you know, And the kids always talked about that they were that the animals were always treated better than they were, sure, and so animals were always very important for this organization. They were always vegan and stuff like that, and so it seemed like a natural next step for them to start this animal refuge. They start the refuge honestly kind of just to take care of all their animals, and they realize they've got something here, so they start as a side ministry of the church advertising this other area that you could donate to to help. And as the story goes, this worked so much better than the church. They said, we could put some sad dogs on a piece of paper and people will throw money at us. Yeah, and so they were like, okay, we're the best friends of Animal Society now. And this was actually the latter half of that Foyer report was the FBI investigating them for white collar crime that they just became this five P'T one three C to get donations, and this was their cover story for it because they found that it was really easy to get a lot of donations this way. Again, there's all these internal memos, this all this investigation heavily heavily redacted. But at the end they say, we've decided to close this case, destroy all this evidence in a list of everything to destroy. So whether that means they got to the end of it realized Okay, I don't think we got anything here. Yeah, because this is like a real operation, they're actually taking care of animals or what yeah, or they said, oh, like there's nothing here. I did take our macaw to this place, and then it came back and every morning now we hear us Hail our dark Lord. What was that? Hail the dark Lord. Here's what's crazy, though, I had to bring a priest to my house baptized the macau. Yeah he's doing that. He does that because the cats. It's all, yeah, it's all, it's none of it is true, Hail Satan. The there I listened to an interview de monetized, gosh, we got quit doing this man from a local and she a local from Canab. She talked about the local lady. She was convinced that I think this is the great salt that the animals were. They were taking in the animals for their sacrifices to the dark Lord. Sure, and that they were doing the white collar crime. It was easy for them to campaign for money. They were getting a million dollar donations from the animal sacrifice and they were yeah, they were using that to fund all the stuff that they wanted. Because they have bought a very large portion of this valley for this. It's much larger than what you see in that picture. They just own all this land outside of it. Okay, they're not doing anything with it except for building this really cool hotel. I guess it's really cool hotels, really sick hotel, and dog casino where they they bet with their bones. I'll put a couple of chips down for this. My dog went to this hotel and he came back with the gambling addiction. Yeah, it comes back to the room with two in the morning with a cigar hanging out of his mouth. My dog is four hundred thousand bones in debt. I tell he sounds when he breaths. Now, yeah, yeah, So I don't know if. I mean obviously the Best Friends has come out to talk about this, and they say, hey, the organization that our founder was a part of prior to founding Friends is separate. It should not be considered part of what we do. Like, we're a completely different organization. And they do very clearly do a lot for animals. Sure, they do very clearly have a legitimate operation that is doing what they claim to be doing. Yeah, five one three papers. Whether they're skimming something off the top, I don't know. It doesn't I mean they have to. I didn't pursue anything, So it looks like they may probably aren't. If they have a basement where they're doing sacrifices. Who's to say. We don't know, But what we do know is the background of the Best Friends Animal Society is a little sketch. Their logo is better now though I should say was just Their logo is very different. It's I mean, it's kind of like, honestly in in it do you remember the nineties, like just in general, now, do you remember, like in the nineties all those nonprofits that ran ads and kids shows. That's kind of what this logo feels like. This feels like a kid's television nonprofit logo. Yeah, but honestly, like, if you wanted to, I bet you could make that look like a squastika. I was gonna see make that look like Satan. Yeah, I mean, if you really want to, if you squint enough, that's what the devil looks like in my brain. Now, it's honestly Best Friends. The organization probably most likely pretty legitimate organization doing their stuff. Their found their founders happened to be a cult leader. Very sketchy background, but you know, what are you gonna do? Sometimes people worship the devil and then they go on to do great. Yeah, but that's that's a hazard of anything, honestly, is the people who were involved in sketchy stuff in the sixties and seventies, they're still around. Yeah, and they're doing stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm sure most of our politicians were into satan stuff. I don't know if that's something do you want to put you want to leave that out there? You want to put that out there? That okay, I mean I'm sure most of them were. Sure. A lot of people watching this right now are like, we're and that's the problem. Ah, well, that's okay, all right, who specifically do you think let's name them. Let's start just thoughting ab out there. No, No, you don't want to do it. That's what I thought, That's what I thought. Okay, all right, well you know, I mean, let's let's book it. This is added to our artill and road trip that we got to get going. Yeah, we could stop by, so stop by for sure. Bring a pet. I'll be the pet in your room. Yeah, we'll fiddle off on that. I guess. Golly, what are you talking about? Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If things are last night. If you like this and you want more cult stuff, We've got an episode about Alistair Crowley, who's like the King of Colts. He had his fingers, his toes, every portion of his body in so many different cults just in his hand and all this stuff going on. So that's available to check out. There's a link for it in the description of this episode, or wherever you're watching or listening. Again, the best way to help us grow our show is to one support us on Patreon, But if you're not able to do that or don't want to do that, the very easy and free way to support our show is to leave a comment on YouTube or review whichever podcast after you're listening. I cannot express to you how much it helps get this in front of new people, and we're just really thankful that you're here. So we'll see you again next week on Things on the Last Night, Things are Learned, Last Things I learned Last Night


The Best Friends Animal Society operates one of the largest animal sanctuaries in the country in Kanab, Utah. At first glance, it appears to be a well-run nonprofit dedicated to helping animals. However, a deeper look into their origins reveals some concerning details. The organization was founded in the 1960s by a couple named Robert Grimston and Marianne McLean. It … Read More

This Scientist Got $450k From The DoD, Then She Disappeared

05-14-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to Things on the Last Night. This is a comedy podcast where we attempt to teach you something. And so this week's episode is about Ning Lee, who was a scientist who was who was studying anti gravity and then abruptly and immediately kind of just disappear from the public eye. And so we go through kind of what we think might have happened, and then what we know happened, and so what we know. We're serious journalists, Ye get to the root of an issue. Thanks for checking out our show. If you've been here a lot, it's a good episode. Hey, the best way to help our show grow is to share this with somebody. So if you could send send the show to because think about how you found us. Okay, you found us because someone you know shared it with you. Or if you don't have friends, you probably found us on the TikTok feed. But if you've got friends, you know that's how you got some of those you know, So share our show. That helps us grow. I didn't mean to do that. Sorry that you were about to do it too. You were about to share it, and I said, just like what you're doing, I didn't mean to do it. Amen, what's going on. All right, have you ever heard of Ningly? Ningly? Ningly? Uh No, this is a fun one. This is a person. Ningly is a person. Yes, that is a name. She's ahead, Okay. She was a physicist in Huntsville, Alabama. Well, I don't know about Huntsville, do you, Yeah, they do space stuff there, you're right. So she's she works with the space people. Yeah, the space boys, that's what they call. So she she here. I'll bury the lead. Well we probably already mentioned it in the intro, but I'll bury the lead for you. Great. So Ningly she was born in China in January fourteenth, nineteen forty three, on a wise China like that, graduating from Peking University with a degree in physics, and then in eighty three her and her whole family emigrated to the US, where she got a job in the early nineties working at the University of Alabama Huntsville in their Center for Space, Plasma and Aeronomic Research. And so while she was there, she obviously probably did a lot of different research, and she published a lot of papers. She was like a paper person. That was her, that was her of thing, and so she was constantly pushing out these papers that were getting scholarly reviews and put in scholarly or scholarly publications. Okay, and she had this specific series of papers co authored by a man by the name of Douglas Torr. And these series of papers outlined a theoretical model for or practical anti gravity, like a practical anti gravity device, meaning meaning practical as in flying saucer. I mean, yeah, a scientist but the name of Jack Sarfiti. I love your commitment to not reading these names before we're live. I'm so serious when I say that there's got to be like creative grants that we could apply for. Yeah, probably looking to that grant. What if that's what we thought? That that meant things I learned last night, Well not just flying saucers. Flying saucers would be probably included, but also hoverboards, like and then just like those cool things like trinkets that you can put on your desk that float, you know obviously, Well, because there's magnets in the earth, right, so couldn't we Yeah, if you just stuck a bunch of magnets or something and flipped them over, we should float. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying that's what her paper said. It said, should flow, should float. Yeah, she didn't used a lot of words. She drew a picture and should float and submitted it and the scholars, I mean, I can't find anything wrong with this technically true, I guess. And so according to her research, basically she she said, Okay, if we have a device, it's like a ring. And in that ring, it was something that at the time hadn't well I shouldn't say it didn't exist. It hadn't been discovered yet. It was. It existed in the mind of a lot of smart people, but they haven't figured out if it could actually really exist, you know, you know those things theory. Yeah, well I don't know. I mean, I guess the French horn, yes, where it existed in my mind and it had discovered yet. Yeah, except for everyone else. And then you discovered it and you're like, oh, it's it is. It does exist. I've seen that. I've been the man in my dreams plays the French horn. Did you see did I send this to you? That sound the French horn? Mak okay, it sounds like a horn. I don't know who tell you no, but give you In the movie intro that's like those are French horns. Oh interesting, Yeah, I guess. I just I just never picture like when I hear that, I don't picture goofy little French horn. I picture like majestic. You're listening and you picture French horn. Which one of us do you think plays it? Based on our pictures? This weekend, I was I was just in Indiana and uh, I was out in the in the lobby and this guy comes be lining straight toward me, I mean, and he's got a neck tattoo and a face tattoo, and he comes up and he just goes, you know, exactly where it's going. He goes, welcome to the crappy part of Indiana. I'm Scott. Yeah, that's what he did. I'm Skyler. I found you in jail that part of Indian Yeah, it was awesome. I mean he walked in the building like he was going to go because it was like three services and he's like there for the last one. He's like walking in and he sees me. He goes like you the robber, and like he yeah, yeah, so Skyler, good to me. You man, that's cool. I think I've been thinking about that a lot because they because we recently found out the episode where it stops jet Jeff and I think I haven't heard anything past that. And we've talked about prison a lot. Yeah, we did. We also we also started talking about prison breaks a lot. And I wonder if they were like these guys, this is like Barkley, Ma. We're giving them the way out. We're training voices from the outside, teaching them how to escape. What if we just, like, one episode at a time, have each step for how to like make a shift out of a spoon. I just love the idea of us getting indicted and then on this like brand theory that we were teaching prisoners how to escape. You're the one. We simply exploited a little posters. Hold it in your left hand, use your right hand. Come back next week for the next step. Can subscribe, Come back next week for the next step, how to make a shift. We're getting demonetized, for sure, dude. So her device, Yeah, she says, what we need is a high temperature superconductor. She doesn't exist yet a little bit about superconductors. This is what they look like. Hold on, this is what they like, ripped people in the engine of a train. I okay, So Essentially what they are is it's this little thing. Yeah, this is an actual photograph, is it for real? No, it's not. This is a This is the three D animation of them. Look. So essentially what it is is it's it's a type of material that is so conductive that you actually don't lose any of the electricity like going through it. Because normally, like even conductive like there's a little bit of loss of power. These don't lose any power. And theoretically there's like magnetism and I'm where it does just this. It will reverse poles and pushed things up and they'll just kind of levitate about. Okay, But up until this point, we knew that the only superconductors we knew of only were super conductive at ridiculously low temperatures like hundred or negative one hundred ninety degrees celsius, so super super cold. It was the only way that these existed. There was this theoretical idea that, well, obviously, if we could get these to work, there's value in superconductors. But to have them in a space where it's anything above negative one hundred and ninety is like, there's not a practical use for them because of that because it's it costs, it's so expensive to get the oh so unnecessarily aggressive. I was just getting rid of the trash. I was just throwing into our new Pa due it wasn't looking We call them Pa, Pa, Pa. Pa thought his name was Pa the whole time. Ba, I just thought it was your name. I just assumed that was your name. Isn't it crazy that all three of you are named Pa? What a weird name? What a crazy I haven't been a single pop. You got to figure out a way to differentiate between you guys. What are your middle names? Your Pa, your papa, your papa? All right, so super connectors, your knee deep? What are you smashing grapes? And it's celsius here just out there, knee deep like those commercials. No, that's what because your body as you drink fluids, it just fills up, and so I've got it to my knees. This is where your liquid goes. Commercial? Is it that they're like in the big Is it cranberry cranberry juice? Cranberry juice? For some reason, I was thinking it was bush as beans. I was like, there's no reason they'd be standing and that nurse is not like that can't be. We love be. We got so many beads that are Bush's beans factory that we just got a way through it. Yeah. I mean, I'll be honest. When I was a kid, I thought Bush's beans belonged to George W. Bush. This is not a joke. I was like. I was like, those are those are Republican beans. Republic beans beans. Okay, I threw the water bottle. I thought it would be really funny, and you just derailed. Sorry, Pa, Okay, So the obviously, yeah, in real life a superconductor is not usable because it has to be so cold, like it would you would use more energy getting it that cold than you would save by having it super condie. Yeah. Yeah, and then also like yeah and so, but she was like, what if it hovers above us? Well, that there had always been, like I shouldn't say, a theory, just a whole that someone would find a way to have high temperature superconductors because that way they could exist in the real world and you'd have to get them super cold for them to work. And so in her model, if you could get a high temperature superconductor, right, she said, Okay, if there's a way where we could flip. You could have the superconductor spin one way and you could flip the ions in it, and essentially it would reverse that polarity and then it could hover. And so she wrote this paper and all the scientists were like, yeah, I mean it sounds like this is something that's possible, and so they said thumbs up, you can publish this. And then it got published and she became like a I mean, like any famous person. Some people were like big fans. Some people were like, oh, like she became like any famous person, like she's doing the Late night tour. Oh no, not that famous, any famous person for the nerds. But people who were like, yeah, there's people who really like her and thann Tho's people who are like you, this is stupid. Yeah. People were like it'll never work, right. And so she wrote a couple of other papers. And remember I mentioned this person before she was a paper person. She wrote a lot of papers, big, big paper paper person, wrote a lot of papers. Write this one, writes a couple more about it. It seems like it's going good. And then she says, you know what, I made it all up. I told you how I wanted to be a country star. What. I thought it'd be really funny too. Yeah, I guess I thought it'd be really funny if I dedicated like twenty years and became like a Garth Brooks sized country star. Uh. And then was like just a bit yeah, And it was like, look how easy it is to make it in this space, because I mean so many people that like started out as like serious indie musicians like rock or whatever, transitioned over to country. Taylor Swift did country, yeah, and then transitioned into country. Is just like the lowest entry level. Yeah, that's true. That is true. Well, sorry, if you love country, we just called it low bar is. I'm not sorry. I'm sorry at all. Dude. Yeah, that'd be fun though. We should do it. I'll go with you. Do you want to be I'll be your country bassist. I'll play this guy. You play bass? Yeah, well I play guitar too now yeah, yeah, I remember I'm doing them mid like have a guitar, No I play. I play it all the time. Anyway. I talked to my wife. We got a dinner like conversations and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, we're still in the honeymoon phase. So you guys, you guys got a whole we'll go on walks. That's insane. Okay, Son, So she wrote these papers kind of is looming over her. Yeah, yeah, I got to figure this out before like computers, I'm gonna leave University of Alabama at Hutsville, Okay, because like all I'm doing here is researching stuff. I think I've got a product here. And so she's like, she's like, I think I got something that can actually like be commercially by. So she starts a company AC Gravity LLC because she means LLC, And Okay, I'm trying to figure out what she's selling. The the anti gravity device. It's called AC gravity. Yeah, but like that's not I have no applicable use for this, but it just floats. That's kind of neat. Yeah, well think about it. You gotta keep your AC really low. Think about it. If if she was correct and was able to find a high temperature superconductor, this could be a component that would go in vehicles because now like you don't need floating vehicles. Yeah, you don't need thrusters anymore. If you have the anti gravity, like you can just float and angle that and then that propels you. So it's a whole new form of propulsion. Got so it would be very valuable for like any sort of transportation. But there's also I mean there's also like commercial uses of it, Like the hoverboard thing is definitely a sure. But then I mean, look around us. Look at all this stuff that we've got that's like on the ground, that's just on the floor, Like, what is the point of this? Oh my, imagine how much clue? I mean, if you think about it, though, this is a fire hazard. I bet we're breaking fire code. Actually, actually I bet we're breaking fire code. But if we could just set all this stuff, all these cameras and all these lights and everything, and just float them, then we could roll underneath it. And you should more, you should use your pointer finger more than flat handing that because you do that a lot. You just wait until next week's episode. We'll be right back. Okay, all right, Okay, So I guess I'm yeah, I'm saying so she's she's thinking more of like I'm going to start a company that then other companies would buy my they would buy the anti gravity component to then Bill I was direct to consumer, and I was like, what are we doing with this? I got it? The all new floating toaster. A toaster with toasts that you can't reach. That's kind of the appeal. Yeah, it's like it's like it's you've had too many cars. We made it so you can't even reach your fridge. So she starts this business in ninety nine, appears to begin working on this. She actually here's the deal. Her her colleagues apparently like really believed in it, because the chair of her department at the University of Alabama Huntsville, a guy in the name of doctor Larry Smalley, eves his post to join her and starting this company along with her co author what was his name, Douglas tor They both leave this is a fraud, and they start this company and and and here's the They have a a what's the word journalist? A journalist comes to their office to like see the device. So here is her and this is Douglas Tour on the left, who was her core author, and then that Larry Smalling on the right. And so there you see. It's like a little donut, but it's not. It's a it looks like a record player. Oh, that's actually really going to compare it to a really big donut. So that's better, but like a really big one, like a donut where if you see it, you're like, I don't know if I could eat that by myself, but you do eat it by yourself. Yeah, yeah, you feel bad all day for sure, yeah all week. But yeah, it looks like a record player. It does look at And so what they said a bigger hole in the middle. Allegedly what happened at this demo with this this journalist is they said, hey, you can take whatever you want and place this above this device and it'll just float wherever you left it. And they said, oh, sorry, it looks like it's off. Turn it on. And then he stuck his hand over there and it shot out into space and we never saw him again. No, So they took a bowling ball and they held it above and they let go of it and it just floated there. And then they moved it and moved it higher up above it and just floated there. And what they said is what will happen is from the point wherever you set that, from the surface of the Earth to outer space, there is a field where there is no longer any past viable for everything. Because I mean, let's you can't fly planes, hey, I guess you could. You couldn't cross traffic. Yeah, I guess you couldn't cross traffic. Is yeah, yeah, you got to put a lid on that at some point, real life lightsabers, Like, there's no way to make it just end except I mean then you just point it at your friend. Well here's the thing. It doesn't. It doesn't shoot you away. It makes you It takes your weight away. So what they what they said is like, we'll take a fifteen pound okay, So it's not moving it up, it's not moving it. What it does is it makes it to where the forces of gravity don't exist. What means you weigh nothing. And so like what they I don't know how they measured weight, if they had a scale, but they set it on or something and then held it above. But they had a fifteen pound a fifteen pound bowling ball, and they're like, here, we measure it outside fifteen pounds and then we put it in the gravitational field. We put it over a zero, and so it just floats away. When the journalists saw the bowling ball float allegedly, I don't know. Yeah, this is a fraud, is what we're covering. Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know, I don't anytime you go her. Actually actually one of her like colleagues left the company too, and it's like yeah, yeah, okay, cool cool. So so they do this, this paper or this publication goes out. I believe it is Wired that does this. Wired magazine does this expose on it. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you want to help us grow our show, one of the easiest and best ways to do that is to join our Patreon. It's a way for your financial to support this show, and you get a lot in return. You get access to our discord channel, you get bonus content that comes out, you get exclusive merchandise, and like live Zoom hangouts where we're both just hanging out, eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't support us financially, we're not pressed about it. We're not like mad, but I'll find you. So text till into six six eight sixty six to keep yourself from being found, all right, because if you don't, I will want you down. So in two thousand and one, Young Company, Young Company, Okay, they get awarded a grant from the Department of Defense specifically for anti gravity research, and we have record of this grant. They were awarded four hundred and forty eight thousand dollars. We had a lie dude to research anti gravity. And what's interesting is these research grants, the way they always work is you get the grant and then you do the research and there's a term for your research period, right that term expires and so in this case it was two thousand and two was when the term expired. And then you publish your papers that you discovered from the research. And so essentially this just gave you a bunch of money to do the research and publish the paper. Well, what's interesting is that grant period went through, they got the money. We have a paper trail of the money going through to them, but then there was never a paper published about the research. And there's no evidence that the company ever did any work ever get but we have paper trail as recently as twenty twenty one of their LLC getting renewed, So they've been renewing the LLC every year. But we have no public evidence of the company doing any more work. Sure, yeah, okay, conspiracy. Here's my thought. I think that the LLC is listed on some of the patents that they might have. Yeah, and so they have to keep renewing it to own the patents. Still an interesting theory. No, I mean it's the most likely. That feels more more likely than whatever we're going to spend the back half of this episode. What do you think I'm gonna spin the backup of this episode. I think you're gonna be like, here's some theories. So this was, you know, two thousand and two was you know, So after receiving this grant, let's get into it. After receiving this grant, Lee, could we apply for grants? I mean, we can apply for them. I don't know if we can get them. I'm so serious when I say that there's got to be like creative grants that we could apply for. Yeah, probably we should look into it. Yeah, look into that grant. What if that's what we thought that that meant we got a few grants from the government, and it's just some government, some grant that worked in the taped up. What we took it? We took it. He taped it. We got some grants. His ransom is four hundred and forty eight thousands. We had Pad Papa, go get grand Papa. Now you're Papapa. Nope, nope, Pa, not pop Pop. You're not supposed to talk right now, Pa Papa. Sorry, this is confusing. Too many paws in the room, too many Pause. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. Okay, here's the thing. So after this d D Grant was awarded, she never published another paper again. Sure, but remember I said she was a paper person. So this is this is this is odd for a lot of reasons. One, like I said, she published papers often multiple times a year. Two, that's the point of the research grant. The point of the research grant is to publish the paper at the end of the research crew. Do you think that? Are you saying, are you going to suggest that she was doing all this research but then it became classified research. Well here's what's interesting. Obviously, never published report for this, never never published another paper. It's always the twenty eighteen foy or was it twenty twenty one for you? Yeah, this is the big one. What year was the big one? Yeah? I think it was twenty twenty one. Yeah, the twenty twenty one FOYA report that you know, Tim was like, everything's real, So she uh accept the moon landing. She The last, the last like public record we have of her doing anything is in two thousand and three at the m I TRI conference. I think that's pronounced meter miter meter. And so she gave a presentation about the measurability of AC gravity fields. And she had a co presenter who was an official from the Redstone Arsenal, which is the part of the Army's Aviation and Missile Command, and so they kind of co presented this PowerPoint together. She did one slide, he died one slide, and they were like, look at our word art. Two thousand and three. I'm sure they had word art, and so they pointed out the stuff, did their slides. That was the last thing that we saw her do publicly. A few months later in May, there was a private email that she sent to some of her former colleagues that we have record of where she claims to have conducted some experiments where there was eleven kilowatts of output from her device. Okay, what's significant about eleven kilowats? None of us know, but Apparently she seemed excited about that result. How much does my microwave put out? How many killer watts in a microwave? It's more? Wait what it's more, it's a lot more. It's like, there's way more one hundred and twenty is it? Well wait, no, that's watts, not killer watts. Wait, so fifteen minutes if you ran, if you use a microwave for fifteen minutes per day, it will use about six point one kill hours of electricity. Microwave uses six hundred and two one thousand watts of electricity, So that's not a thousand is one killoot? Right? Right? So this is this is eleven microwaves. That's what I'm saying. That's that's a lot of power. That's a lot of power. It is eleven microwaves worth a power. Okay, but now we've got someone builds a vehicle text powered by microwaves, and they got to hit the popcorn button just on eleven different microwaves. Boo boo, and it's like Doc in Back to the Future. Boom boom. They're all up here like the like the plane on the ceiling. That's what they're full microwave, just drill seven thirty seven is seven hundred and thirty seven microwaves. That's the whole thing. Why do you think they keep crashing? Can't you can't even bring a microwave through TSA. That's why, because you'll mess with the other microwaves on you're not micro. But I'm sure you're not allowed to bring a microwave on the plane. There's no way. I try often enough that we can just try. You know, Oh really I can't bring this. That's fly tonight. I'll go, yeah, I think we do have to spare microwave with that rue. All right, let's run it, dude. This is my carry on item. Bro, I've been I get through. I've also got to get on the Southwest plane microwave carry on? Can I put this in the overhead It'll fit in the seat underneath me. Underneath, it'll fit underneath the seat in front of it. Can you imagine sitting down on a plane, the dude in the aisle seat has the microwave in the like seat under him. But he brought one of those our packs, yeah, the power to USB things. So he plugs it into the USB and just starts microwaving. He's making popcorncorn. Oh yeah, dude, Wow, honestly, there's no way. There's no way. I don't see why you couldn't bring because it's too easy to start a fire with a microwave, I know, but there's I don't see why you couldn't. We almost weren't allowed to have microwaves out of Angel and Scott Hall almost. What do you mean you guys fought for it protested. Yeah, we did. We had to fight. There was a battle for your right to a wave and we won. We won that fight. Yeah. Anyways, so she's got eleven microwaves with the output coming out of this thing, and she's excited. She emails all of our colleagues. She's like, oh my gosh, you're never gonna believe how many microwaves worth the power we got out of this thing. And everyone saw that and was like, wow, good job, congratulations, thumbs up emoji. What are you doing googling? Microwave is allowed through the checkpoint? Oh my gosh, can you plug it in? This should be removed from luggage. Oh did you look it up? You can't have it in your luggage though. Is kind of like you declined my air drop sending you the Google result me, I did. I tried to send it. Oh, I didn't even get a notice for it. This is crazy. The list on TSA dot gov you can bring. Yeah, so here's the deal. I'm not we won't have to bleep this. But if you bring just a bunch of forks, I think you bring forks, right, maybe not forks, spoons it works, and a microwave utensils. Yeah. Sorry? Can I just read a little bit of this, uh to me? It's on some travel website talking about we're not sure why airplanes would allow you to bring a microwave, but it's allowed. It says you'll want to verify that your airline allows microwaves on board and the ears fits within the size limit for carry on bags or personal items. There's nothing worse than backing up the boarding process because you can't fit your microwave in the overhead compartment. Yeah. Can I take kitchen appliances on a plane? Is a? Is an asked question on kayak dot com. This is, I mean nothing, nothing's worse than when you're on vacation you just find an appliance. The lenders are allowed. You just can't have the blade in the blender. What do you ship the blade separately? Like this article also says you can bring live lobsters. Hold on, did we talk about this recently? I just got a back full of lobsters. Yeah, this bag is all lobsters of this backs mic wave. I will say there was a flight where were we at goodness, we were on a flight and the plane smelled like fish? You know that? Yeah? What was going on? That's so nice. I think it was actually to our our thing in uh in. Anyway, we were, we were flying and we get the baggage claim and there's a person who had gone like to Alaska and gone fishing, and they had checked a gigantic cardboard box of like fish, and so the entire baggage claim smelled. That's the smell that was coming up into the plane. Yeah, it's that guy. It's that guy. Yeah, yikes. Luckily I have my a wave there. Luckily to fish in there. Yeah, they'll smell better if we cook them, yea. And then yeah, and then it brought everyone on the plane together just to like a meal. Everyone on the plane got to have a meal together. And because another kid CRUs some Yeah, and we put two fish in the microwave. And it just kept digging and more and more fish kept coming out. You'd open it for that. So she sends out this email. All of our yeah, all of our colleagues are like, wow, that's impressive. But we have literally not heard from her since that email. No emails, No she's not been no public again, No I'll find her, no public record of her. No, here's a good picture for the here, I'll show you one with her team. I'm going to get you. And so she was someone who was pretty pretty well in the public eye, at least in her field. Sure, all of a sudden was out of her field in two thousand and three, and so there was some work done to try to track her down. Someone thought it was a little odd. In two thousand and four, a journalist by the name of Tim Ventura, and so he contacted another scientist that worked in the field by the name of Eugene Uh Pod clintonov, podklintonv Pod Clintonov. That's this guy, Eugene Pod Clinton Nov. Okay, he he tells, Uh, this journalist, he says, Okay, here's the deal, mister, what happened mister Tim Ventura? He, by the way, a little bit about Eugene we probably should establish this guy is. He's a Russian scientist working at tamp tamp Pierre University of Technology, which is in Norwija. I think he published a bunch of papers on superconductivity. Was also reaarching researching anti gravity. Also did like expose a and Wired magazine Wired was I guess into this for a minute. He was expelled from the universe ninety seven for some reason I don't really know. I couldn't track down why. But then he went and worked, tried to work in the field and then kind of fell off the face of the earth up to that. Who knows what he did. Maybe he discovered something he shouldn't have. What do you Okay, So Eugene tells Tim Ventura, this this journalist. He says, okay, here's the deal, he said the email that Tim has on record for ningly, he says. Tim says, I've been emailing her like every couple of months the past few months, and I'm getting read receipts, but I'm not getting any replies. So I know she's opening it. I know, or at least I know somebody's opening him, but nobody's replying to me. Sure, And so Pokola nav is like, oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and she he's like, she is currently still working with a DoD because he claims he's working with the DoD as well. Okay, so he's like, he's like, she's working with the do D. But she has a higher level of security clearance, so she's not allowed to talk to journalists or anybody about anything that she's doing, and so it has to be very underground what she's working on, and so she's probably seeing it all, but she's just deleting it. She's not allowed to respond. Eugene says, I also don't have like a contact number or an email for her, Like obviously you have an email that's getting to her from now, but I don't have like a direct line to her. But he's like, yeah, she's working at the DD. So Tim puts this out and the public's like, oh cool, So she's still working on it. And clearly she was like, I don't want to say the front runner in this field, but close to it. Like she seemed to be making a lot of headway, and after getting that DD contract like went pretty underground, right, so it seemed like she might have found some things right well in two thousand and eight, a scientist by the name of Jack Sarfiti answered a question on an interview. I love your commitment to not reading these names before we're live. You know, I've read these names a dozen times in preparation, and you go, Jack Sarfiti spy. So Jack Sarfaity He gets asked a question in an interview that was put up on a YouTube video in two thousand and eight. Okay, and Jack Sarferiti is another scientist in this field. He's also researching anti gravity. He says, this is just a direct quote. I'm just going to read the quote from him. So here's what he says. This is very important from a national security and political point of view. One of the key scientists is a Chinese woman named Ningley. She has disappeared and gone back to China. She was working at NASA and at the Red Stone Arsenal, but she has disappeared for several years now. The people at the Pentagon cannot reach her anymore. She's allegedly back in China, and the Chinese are pouring money into similar experiments. Now, that's why our intelligence guys are very interested. The most likely people to develop the first anti gravity propulsion technology? Are the chaiese and so this did say it like that, though, Why did you say like that at the end? Are the Chai nesey he? I don't know how he said it. I just read the interview. Why did you say Chinese? It's emphasis dramatic? Are the yeah? You know how to you said the Chai knees? Why did you say that? That's like saying that I am an amhara? Can it? It's emphasis? Okay, have you ever heard of it? No? Not like that. Uh So this interview comes out and there are some people kind of following this. It's kind of a niche community of people following this. But this kind of like blew the lead off. Everyone's like, oh my gosh, wait, like, yeah, she's gone. China got to her, they took her, and like now they're using her to get ahead of everybody on on the anti gravity stuff. Right. H There's some issues with Jack's Sarfiti though. Okay, Jack was kind of blacklisted from most of like legitimate science communities, and he was he was one of those guys that started up his own lab. Sures like I'm doing my own thing and I'm like researching truth and stuff. Here's the thing. Here's his profile picture on Twitter. Yeah, and so that tells you pretty much everything you need to know about him. I also don't understand how he made this or why he made it the way he made it, because there's just like there's four different people in it. Yeah, he's the one on the left with that. But he would wear those sunglasses, yeah, really thin ones like the small Yeah yeah yeah yeah, untrustworthy. That's a pretty untrustworthy trait. So he uh, and his Twitter is littered with like I'm trying to think of a nice way to series. Yeah, yeah, it's UFO stuff, conspiracy stuffs, tons of uh yeah, yeah, that's definitely definitely some of that, lots of RFK, definitely some of that, oh yeah, some light bigotry. Yeah. The majority of his Twitter, honestly at this point is just RFK Junior retweets. Oh so that's the kind of guy this guy is. And so it does kind of check out that he would just honestly just assume this that Okay, yeah, that Ningley is back in Chackage. Oh she's back in China. Yeah, she's not even from and this is and to be fair, this is two thousand and eight too, and so like the world was a pretty different place at the time, and I think he just lost his house in the market crash probably honestly, so it could have been okay, yeah, this in shortly after this, I think it was like twenty seventeen, there is this video that comes out by YouTuber by the name of Barely Sociable who covers the story and it is like, no one knows where she is, isn't that crazy? And covers the whole story, covers some of these theories of like maybe she's working on a ground with the DoD Maybe she didually get approached by China and is back in China doing this. Maybe aliens are like, hey, you're revealing our secrets. Stop doing that. And then they're like, want to see how we built the pyramids and she's like that'd be cool, and they're like, okay, we're going to take you to Mars, and then they dropped her off and left her there. That's a possibility. He didn't mention that in the video. That was just kind of something I thought of just now off the like that was just straight out of my brain. Pretty impressive. I actually have this in my notes Aliens and in parentheses cutable segment. I didn't cut it though. I thought it'd be fun. Okay. So Bailey Sociable does his video right, okay, and he he he whatever does all that, It does really good. It gets like three million views, and everyone's like really good and made those real good, real good. And there's a large population of people now all of a sudden that are like obsessed with the story. Sure, where's Lee? What happened in why don't we have anti gravity yet? Did Fossil Fuels shut her down? Because if this works, that's true. Fossil Fuels like, hey, we we threw that body in the ocean that one time. Let's do that again. You know, they've got a precedence for this. Do you think they're hiring out those things? What? Like? Yeah, is there like one company that's doing it for all of them? Though, because like he did it for the Rockefellers, he did it for Boeing, he did it for you're saying, there's like an assassin like brand agency. Yeah, an agency, the agency, that's what they call themselves. That's kind of how they call themselves, the agency. Yeah, we take care of problems. Well, no, we discreetly handle issues there you go. Yeah, yeah, that's the brand. So yeah, the agency took care of it. Yeah. Well, there was a local journalist by the name of Noah Logan, local to Huntsville, Alabama, and he was like, Hey, this is something that happened in my community. And he was like, if I see her around all the time, she's actually a sandwich artist in some way. Yeah, she's a manager there, but she's managing a subway, managing somebody. Here's the thing though, it's the weirdest some way I've ever been to. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things I learned last night. If you're here and you're a little shocked because you've been watching as MR videos all night and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick and join back in the ASMR. One thing that would help us a lot and the algorithm is if you left some comments or some reviews if you're on the podcast app. We'd really appreciate that and it would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. But if not and you're just here trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. But here's another advertisement. So it was a subway, but she bought it in two thousand and three and renamed it a C Gray LLC. But you walk, but it's still still still all this stuff. Yeah, got all the like the meat pictures of New York City on the wall for some reason. What is the New York City? It's the subway system that doesn't make a lot of sense. Okay, yeah whatever, y Yeah, subs and subways. Okay did you see that? Subways doing six dollars six inches? Now, six dollars six inches, six bucks six inches is what the is? What the graphics? So they didn't learn their lesson. Yeah, I was literally about to We talked about this here before. Yeah yeah, okay, like yeah, and that is absurd too. Let's talk about it a game so I can get a social media clip. H go for it, Go for it. No, it's just six six bucks six inches. They did not learn their lesson. If you've not heard us talk about this before, when they did five dollars foot long, that was a huge campaign, and it actually was a huge way more than it was I think supposed to. But anytime that you market something as a certain price, the dollar menu four for four, yes, five dollars foot long, that's not realistic to keep up with forever, obviously, because burgers used to cost a nickel. You know, eventually things just costs more. It's just how the world works. That's how inflation happens, right, So it's very short sided marketing. I can't believe they're doing it again. It's crazy because I still if I go to Subway, I don't go to Subway often anymore. If I go to Subway and I order foot long, I see the price, I constantly am like, this is overpriced exactly, and I never I never go, oh, it's supposed to be five dollars. I was walking away twenty years ago. That's not realistic to do that now. You don't know how much a chicken sandwich of Chick fil A costs. They never market on their prices, and they also never give discounts. They never give twenty percent off, because every time I order pizza, if I don't have a little coupon, I feel like I'm overpaying. Yes, yeah, that's smart, it's it's just short sighted decisions that and I just I'm it's blowing away. And that's the thing with Wendy's, like surge pricing. Yeah, Weindy's didn't announce that. I bet most people would never not even noticed. Yeah, if they would have just did it. Wendy's just quietly started doing it. But also once someone figures it out and then you realize they've been quietly doing it. It's like the Amazon thing. What's the Amazon thing? Josh? We talked about the area they just walk out stores? Oh yeahah, and so like they have an AI that tracks your movement. If you know the just walkout stores, Alex, have you heard this No? Okay, great, I'll tell you the just walk out stores with this big thing in twenty seventeen where Amazon was like, you can just go in, you scan your car when you walk in, you like scan your credit card, and then you just pick up a bottle of water and a bag of chips, and the AI is watching through these cameras up here, and it is charging you for the items that you pick up and put in your bag and then you just walk out right, And they were like, look how advanced our AI is. People start dumping money into the Amazon stock because because their AI is so advanced, we want to get in early on this. What else are they going to do? Turns out they were supplementing their AI. The AI was tracking you, but it still had to be manually checked, and so they were using cheap labor from India who was watching each individual person to make sure that the AI actually grabbed the right stuff and then would just correct it or use it. So really it was just a person going, Okay, they grabbed a bag of chips, and they grabbed a bottle of water, and you know what's going to happen to them? They got super rich and people bought a bunch of stock because they were like this AI is so crazy. But it was just cheap labor from somewhere else, and that's crazy to me. Happy Capital, you are a conspiracy person who like falls into these deep holes of like, oh yeah, they made someone disappear. I'm just looking at what they're outright doing and I'm getting radicalized, like what happened? You know? And I owe money to the I R S because I'm self employed, and if I don't pay it, they're gonna arrest me and put me away. But what's gonna happen to Amazon? Nothing? Nothing, they're gonna keep. They're gonna charge you two ninety nine more a month for ads. Yeah, because yeah, they're not making as much money off those stores. Now they've got to supplement that income somehow. It makes me so irrationally angry. So anyway, and someone's gonna get rid of people. Do you know that all together? Well, I mean the human race, someone's gonna annihilate the world. No, they're they're maybe you're going to a subway. Now you can't see the meats anymore. Do you know that? I did, They've done anything because Picklemans you can't see the stuff. You can see it, but like you gotta like you're behind the count look over. Yeah, yeah, but you can see. I bet Chipotle and and some way are both gonna go to this model where you don't see the food pay anymore. And uh, and they're pushing more or like order ahead plausible deniability. Yeah, they just want you to order on the app and then you can show pick it up. Yeah. I mean, I always felt like whenever I worked at Pickleman's, it was very inefficient to let the customer be a part of the process while you're making it. I was like, just tell me what you want at the beginning, I'm gonna make it because then otherwise they're sitting there and they're like, oh, what if you do that? Could you put some more? Say? And it's the putting more that the business is like, ah, you know because the this is true. The formula for a subway sandwich if you want olives is six olives on there, six little olive rings. That's in foot long sub That isn't they want you to put on there? That is an insane amount of olives. It's so little as well. And they just put six little rings on there. Yeah, that's not olives. So if you're putting more than that, that's that's no lives. That's no lives. We should be bargains. We're good at naming stuff. All lives matter. That should have been their campaign, not six to matter. All this matter. As many olives as you want to put it on the side, as many olives as you wanted your sandwich. What say what you putting olives on? Anyway? Black olives? You put it on the sandwich and you put them side by side all the way across the sandwich, so you close it. There's a thin black line all the way across, all just falling out. What do you do when you have olives that fall out of your savings. Do you pick them up and need them just eat them separate eating you just open them and toss them back in anyway, all right, so anyway my subway. Right, So, Noah Logan, he's a local. I took up fifteen minutes. Let's wrap this up, Huntsville business journal journalist yea. And so he says he watches that YouTube video and he's like, He's like, I bet I could figure this out. He's like, this is local. He's like, there's probably not that far I have to go to figure this one out. And so he releases an article July thirty, twenty twenty three, because he did figure it out. And so he tracks down her. Well, first of all, I should say, he finds her obituary from twenty twenty one. So after the social article our video came out there, her obituary comes out. She died in twenty twenty one, and the obituary says that she was like an accomplished astrophysicist, worked for NASA and the d D and contributed greatly to the world of science. Right, And so he tracks down her son and reaches out to her son and is like, hey, mind if I come over to your place for a bit, and the guy was like, he was, oh, what hang out, I'm just looking for some com looking for some friends. And so the guy says sure, and so this sudden lets him come over. His son's name. Her son's name is George. So he goes over to uh uh. Noah goes over to George's house and they you know, exchange pleasantries, get to know each other, and then he's like, hey, I got some questions for you. And he's like, oh, is that what the sound home? Hey? Is your mom agent for China? What excuse me? Does your mom or did she? Sorry, did your mom work for the communist Chinese? Is that like really hard? Like yeah, it's essentially the interview that the what's his face the senator did for the CEO of TikTok? Yes, yeah, the same thing. Do you have any loyalty to the CCP? No, I'm senator, I'm Singaporean. I don't know, I don't care what kind of diet you're on. So stupid. So this journalist, Noah asks George and he says, hey, did you ever talk to your mom about her work? And he said, yeah, I asked her once, And this is a direct she grabbed my face and she said, never bring this out to me again. Men will come for you and they'll kill us. Both men will come for you, and they won't look like humans because they're not. You will end up tied up in a podcast studio listening to do idiots ramble about conspiracy theories and aliens. They're making stuff up and Jim's gonna spin his Celsius in the carpet. Dude, this is That's not the life you want to live. Son. Don't go down that path. So here's the deal. He says, this is a direct quote. He says, yes, I said, I said, Mom, do you need to tell me something? She told me. First off, you don't. You don't talk to me. She said, First off, you don't know anything. Second off, if you even think you might know something, you forget about it. And he says, I said, okay, that's fine. So honestly, I would really like to treat my children like that before they have the Internet and can figure out what I do. Stand up, Your parents are like, what do you do for work? First of all, I first asked that question again. Second off, if anybody asked you that question subway, tell them, tell them he's a regional manager for so restaurants. No, no, no, no, that's too high of a position. I am just a sandwich artist. I clock in, I work maybe twenty five hours a week, no benefits. So the conversation continues and George does confirm for Noah that she never stopped working for the dd She continued working for the DoD throughout of her career. But he also said she never left for China. What's interesting though, in two thousand and eight, he does remember China did approach her and she turned it down. Yeah. They were like, hey, what if you came and worked over here? They were like, hey, can we come over to your house? She was like sure, and so yeah, China approached her and asked her, hey, what if you came and did all this stuff for us instead? And she was I guess she was like, hey, I don't know about that. I think she was more like, I am more afraid of the United States Government than I am of you at this point right now. Yeah, the position the curtain state in my life. And so she turns them down and they're like, ah, fiddlesticks. So they go back to China and then a couple sorry shucks, because Robert's going to think it's the end. He's gonna be so confused, too close, too close A shucks And they go back to China. A couple of years later, her mother passes away and they won't let her back in the country to go to the funeral, and so they are like, you know how to get back to China. Yeah, give us your secrets. Yeah, they like, tell us about gravity. And she was like, I am the most anti gravity person you're ever going to me. She looks, she looked at the Chinese Communist Party in the eye, and she said, you don't know anything, and if you think you do, you forgot I forget about it. That's an aggressive thing to say to someone. Your parent either works for the DoD or the mob. You know what I'm saying, that's the only two options. And so he says he does say he does mention that, uh he noticed a change in his mother after she left working at the University of Alabama. Yeah, because he said, I think the secrecy really wore her down. And she also like, was I think I think she expected a different experience. I'd be curious on some psychological studies of people who work in defense, and we have to be super secretive, not even just defense, but like just other sectors that you your whole work is n d A. Yeah, you know that you can't you're not allowed to talk to you about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's tough. And he's curious about the rise of workplace romances that could happen because the only people that you're allowed to talk yeah to you should do a study on that. Maybe we could get a grant for it. Grant get on that you'll see your family when it's done. But he says that ruthless. He says that she clearly was really struggling with it. And he also means to be clear on the bit here. Just if you guys are sure what's happening. We have kidnapped a person named Grant. And it's not like, oh, we were joking. We did this. They followed through there. We always followed through bits. You can. If enough people buy the hat that says free Grant got we'll do it, then we'll let him go. But you gotta buy the merchandise. Your life is in the mercy of our twelve listeners. Buddy, here's the thing. If you know someone named grant and you haven't heard from them in a while. Maybe you should buy a hat reach out. Man. I hope there isn't a missing grant somewhere that it's pinned on her. So he says that he thinks the secrecy wore her down, especially because he says she took great pride in like all of the work that she was doing, especially like all of her Yeah, she was publishing papers about it. She was gaining notoriety for it. She was she had a voice. Yeah, and then had the nineties for Yeah, you know, a woman to be leading the charge and the charge on that field like that especially, it was a big deal. It's still a big deal. Yeah. She was very proud of it. And then all of a sudden she had to go underground. And he says, I think it I think it wore on her. Yeah, And so Logan that interview, published the interview and published the full story of everything up to this point. He also submitted for a Freedom of Information Act on her work, and along with a lot of other people, he found record of many other FOIA requests that have all been denied. So they don't want anyone to know what she was actually doing. Is apparently still top secret. She ended up in twenty fourteen getting I can't I'm the worst she didn't have been twenty fourteen getting hit that car. I can ever do these transitions the job just like tragedy. They trying to figure out anti gravity and work. She was thinking that don't ut around and throwing it in front of cars to see if they'd shoot up. And yeah, so she can't hit by a car. And it was actually really tragic because her husband witnessed it and he had a heart attack. He passed away a year later from like as a result of the heart attack, and she actually ended up like having a traumatic brain injury that gave her and so for the next six years she lived on the rest of her life with Alzheimer's. Her son George took care of her until she passed away in twenty twenty one. And so this was by the time that very barely sociable video came out. She had this accident had already happened. She was already out of her career, so things were not happening, yes, but no one would know about that because at that moment, it's just she's just home bedridden pretty much. So uh, here's the Yeah, here's the thing. Mainly probably made some discoveries with anti gravity. Whether or not they're actually things that are like in use, yeah, it's questionable. But here's something pretty significant. I don't know if you saw this after you remember when David Grush did that hearing with the the Congress about the aliens that he witnessed. One of the things that came as a result of that was a massive report that Congress did, like an internal study, and they publicized this big report. A lot of stuff in there that they couldn't explicitly discuss, but after their kind of conclusion in that report was that there are after looking at the classified documents of this and talking to people who have high enough security clearance to know what's going on, they said, we do not believe that this is non human intelligence that's controlling these crafts. They said, we believe that the technology that is being used in these test vehicles are so beyond our current technology that to anybody, even trained personnel, it looks like humanity couldn't have came up with this. And so that was in their report. They were like, we can't tell you what it is, We can't tell you where they're doing it, or what kind of technology is in it, But it's so advanced that even people who know a lot about this would think that it's not us was the conclusion that they made cool And so anti gravity does sound a lot like the devices that were described by Grush and all these other people, like the tiktac UFO and all the stuffs that people were seeing. Right, And she was working on that, and she allegedly discovered it and had eleven microwaves worth of power that she was putting out, and so that many microwaves in a tick making to some crazy stuff pretty nuts. So we don't know for sure if that's what happened, But I'm gonna be honest with you. I nowadays, I think I think, I think I think that her discoveries are the source of a lot of these UFO sidings for the last twenty years. I'm sure. Yeah, And she wasn't allowed to talk about it. Fatal sticks, that's the wrong one. No, that's what we're gonna use. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, We've got another one. Rudolph Diesel, another guy who had some really incredible discoveries that just disappeared out of nowhere. So if you like seeing people disappear, then you might like that episode Root Off Diesel. And hey, if you're not a patron yet, you should become one. You'll get next week's episode right now if you become a patron. And if you're not a patron yet but you want to support the show, the best way you can do that is by sharing this with your friends. Go ahead and hit that share button send it off to them so they can find this podcast and enjoy it just like you do. But until next week. Thanks for checking out. Thanks sad than last night


Ning Li was a Chinese-American physicist who made breakthroughs in anti-gravity research, only to vanish from public life under mysterious circumstances. Born in China in 1943, Li emigrated to the U.S. in the 1980s and obtained a position at the University of Alabama’s Center for Space Plasma and Aeronomic Research. There, she published numerous papers outlining a theoretical model for … Read More

How She Boarded Over 30 Flights Without A Ticket | Marilyn Hartman

05-07-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, this is Things Out Than Last Night, a comedy podcast where we laugh a lot and learn just a little bit. And this episode we're talking about Marilyn Hartman. She's a woman who managed, over the course of like fifteen years to sneak on to a whole lot of commercial flights. Don't know how she did it. It's a pretty incredible story and had a lot of fun with it. All right, it's getting the episode. Hey man, Amen, Hey, what's up. Have you ever heard of Marilyn Hartman. Marilyn Hartman? Yeah, yes, yeah, I don't know. I feel like you're gonna start talking. I'm like, oh, yeah, uh here, I'm going to bury the lead on Marilyn Hartman a little cool, So I think it's more fun that way, at least for me. Marilyn Hartman was born in nineteen fifty one or fifty two in a year after that, at least at the latest, at the earliest nighteteen fifty one, at the latest two thousand and one, I don't know, okay, I mean I probably closer to fifty five at the latest, nineteen fifty five, of the latest fifty one of the early fifty five of the latest. We don't know exactly. She won't tell us Okay. We can't get her to say okay, Marylands up. Yeah. We have no idea how she's doing it. Though. Some TSA agents are really nice. Sometimes I bake them muffins and they let me through. Yeah, I mean, you know it's gonna SASA agents. They yell you get out of your back. So my uncle was in jail all the time, and then he got released during COVID COD during COVID COVID things I learned last night. And so Maryland. On August fourth, nineteen or oh sorry, August fourth, twenty fourteen, uh Hartman was on a flight from uh San Jose International Airport to Los Angeles International Airport. Sure, and when she landed and I'm not exactly sure. Yeah, well yeah, her and the rest of the passengers on the plane landed. Yeah. Uh. Somehow the flight attendants noticed she was on board without a ticket. And I don't know if at the end when everyone was getting off the card everybody shows your tickets on the way out, Like, I don't know how this happened. But at the end of the flight they were like, you don't have a ticket, do you, And she was like, I did think that when we did. We took the train right, yeah, track, yeah, the rail call actual train, the railroad, the road of rail. Uh, the you don't have to keep okay, thank you? Yeah, god, I was stuck. No. We took the train and you know, we were on it and halfway to the destination. Then they were running through the car being like, tickets plays, We're gonna scan the tickets, yeah you know. And I was like, the first train on the way out to where we were going didn't check our tickets at all. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, the didn't check our tickets at all. And I told Reagan, I was like, I get this photoshop a ticket, you know, on this train next time? Yeah, yeah what and this when they scanned We used to do that. But it's like also like you're already on the train. Yeah, what are you gonna do about it. They're gonna pull over, They're going to let you out right there on the side. They do that because the next stop. Yeah yeah. In Denver we had the light rail and we wrote it all the time, but we always rolle the light rail. You could just if you only got to go between those two stops, you could do that for free. Indefinitely. Well, eventually, like you get you do get charged if you do it, if you're a repeat offender, like they take notes. I think the first couple of times is a warning eventually, but you eventually you will get charged for that. It's like it's like misdemeanor trespassing. But I did. I did have a lot of friends who would just roll the dice because you didn't. Not every ride would there be someone to check, right, But when they did check, it stressed me out. I always bought a ticket, but every time they checked, I got so you were your friend. None of them about tickets. And they go through and they've all got you know, they're all like, oh yeah, let's get out of here. And you're like, I'm going to stay. I'm going to stay. No, no, I'm going to stand to the man you looked so cool. Yeah, I want to stay right, like okay, And they're like they bail down, they try to hide, they get caught, they get killed on the train, and then the person just goes in and it scans your QR code. Yeah yeah, but they're all kicked off by now. Yeah, they're all gone. So you're just carrying. Oh god, and I got beaped, and then they train anywhere in Denver if we if we left Parker, we took the train, okay, because the train was at park Meadows Mall, and we took that anywhere in Denver if we were leaving part anyways, but uh yeah, and we would they would get on the next ride and roll the dice again, and then they'd meet up with me and I'd be like, yeah, I told them off. I said I don't need I said, you work for me. So twenty fourteen is super late for someone to be able to be on a flight without a ticket. Without a ticket, yeah, very odd. So the flight attendants called security and like, hey, this lady was on this fight. She doesn't have This lady Colon was on this flight and she doesn't have a ticket, And so they arrested her. They charged her with trespassing okay, and they were like, yeah, you're not supposed to do that. And she's like, oh, sorry, I didn't know. It might be I didn't know. I didn't know. I came through airport secure. How did you get through security without a ticket. There's some questions here, how did you get on the jet. So she gets it, she gets trespassed, gets the charge is a smaller airport. Yeah, yeah, I guess you could say allegedly all just factual there's a factually smaller allegedly a smaller airport. Yeah, And so she gets she gets trespassed and then let go, you know. And that was August fourth, twenty fourteen. Right February twenty fifteen, Hartman flies from Minnesota to Jacksonville, Florida, again with a ticket. She was arrested in Jacksonville, not at the airport. She got out of the airport, and she took the airport shuttle to a nearby hotel and tried to check into the hotel and for someone else's name, and that's when they were like, you're not this person. And so the hotel calls the police, okay, and they're like, how did you get here? We know you got we know you were somewhere else, and she was like, She's like, oh yeah, that's how. That's how space and time and people were. I was, in fact somewhere else before I was here. Good observation police. And so so she pleads guilty to trespassing and serves less than a year in jail. In jail for trespassing. What well she went. I think she went to jail for trespassing and for impersonating somebody else to try to get into that hotel. Crime. The crime I heard it is not on this article I'm reading. I heard it in another video or what do they call it? They said a tempted defrauding of a in clerk is the charge attempted to frauding of an inn clerk, which is a really we can just replay real slow him making that up in his head. Attempt defrauding. It sounds real, though, doesn't it an inn clerk? It sounds of a clerk at the inn. There's no more fraud at the end. You can sleep in the barn. Okay, So she says, less than in Florida. Yeah, in Florida. Less than a year in jail though not a long time. And then they ship her off to a mental facility in Chicago, where she's from. Okay, And so she goes to this mental facility whatever. As far as we know, she's there for three years. And on January fourteenth, twenty eighteen, she does the same thing, sneaks on to a British Air always flight from Chicago. O'Hair to London Heathrow. And when she lands in London and they were doing the like you know, customs thing, they're like, hey, can we see your passport? Mat, I just forgot it in your plane. She's like, she's like, oh, I don't have a passport. And then they were like straight up like it's better than I guess, and they're like all right, and they're like, okay, do you have your boarding pass? And she's like, oh, I don't have a boarding pass and they're like how did you get on the plane. She's like, I just got on and they're like, okay, you're gonna go back, and so they put her back on the return flight and they called Chicago O'Hair and they're like, hey, we got a lady named Marylyn, a lady like Marilyn Hartman. Yeah, and they're like yeah, that's the one. And uh, they're like, we're shipping her back to you. That's the name, that's the name, that's that that's the name. The name. Yeah, that's how you pronounce it. Thank you. I'm glad you noticed that. And she had actually, coincidentally, right before this this trip to London, had attempted to take a flight from Chicago O'Hare to Connecticut. But she got denied and so she stayed the night at Chicago O'Hare and then got on this flight the next day. They were like, you're not on this flight? Yeah, she was like not bad. Oh sorry, I'm wrong, Gate. What does this person look like? We have a picture of her? Yeah, we got a picture of her. This is uh Marylyn, very very inconspicuous, you know, like just looks like any any grandmother, not any grandma. She looks like she definitely looks at the grandma. Another picture of her. Oh sorry, wrong, still away? What is that? This is another picture of her? See she looks crazier in that one for sure. Maybe is one of my eyes sitting lower than the other one? If you touch your head like that, yeah, till your head so this eyes lower than Yeah? It does? I mean, I guess maybe just a touch, just a little touch. I bet if you got a good hit and a good a good yeah, push it up. Or you could probably mew if you start musing. I bet if you start mewing, you could fix that. You know what I heard? What's that? I heard that middle schoolers are starting to mew to get away from doing stuff, like to get away from having to talk to adults, and so like if an adult asks a middle schooler question, but I can't, I'm ewing. That's made up. Just I'm mewing out. Sorry, look smacking. You can't. You can't. Oh yeah, uh, you're not on this flight. Sorry I was looks maxing my bad. So are you gonna get to the other stowaway? Is there a reason you clicked that picture? Or no? Oh no that was okay? Still so sure, Yeah, but that's not what she's doing. She's literally just waltzing onto the flight, right, so they they yeah, so she gets back to doing this too, any of them. She's just wandering the airport, which, first of all, how did you get into the airport? I don't know. Yeah, and then she's wandering around and like I go to Connecticut today, Yeah, yeah, pretty much. So she so Chicago gets her back. Yeah, and Chicago's like, all right, we're gonna give you the police, and the police are like, yeah, it's probation for you. So she got eighteen months probation and mental health counseling, and she was banned from being on any airport property without a valid ticket in her name. That was like her sentence. All of us are baying from on airport property without a ticket. That's already the lass. You're already not allowed to be in the gate area without a ticket. That's not like the police didn't have to do that. Yeah, that's already the rules. Yeah yeah, yeah. So that's why I like it. I like airports because there's a barrier of so October eleventh, twenty nineteen. I wish that the top floors of the hotels I stay had a security that you had to go through. Hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it, and you're enjoying tillan you've been around for a little bit, I want to invite you to be a part of our patreon. We have a patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our host and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out, we get to know each other, we eat pizza. It's a blast. Along with a bunch of other benefits like a Merch Discount's message on your birthday like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, they get the heck out of here. Just kidding, No, we love you. Thanks for checking out Dylan podcast. How do they get it? Though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh day you were doing it. Yeah, they can text Tillan to six six eight sixty six. Thanks Jared. On October eighteenth. October eleventh, twenty nineteen. Still on probation. It hasn't quite been eighteen months, so she's at the tailing of her probation. But still on her probation. She was arrested while trying to get through security without a boarding pass or any identification again at Chicago O'Hare, and so you'd think they would just have pictures of her on the wall. Well they did. This has gotten to the point at this point, it is now twenty nineteen. At this point, it got to the point where, especially in Chicago. A lot of TSA agents around the country knew her at this point, but especially in Chicago, we have and I'm not kidding when I tell you this, we can look it up later. But we have like recorded documentation of radio calls of the TSA being like, hey, I got a Maryland siding at Gate D or whatever, you know, because that was how often she was on the flights and how much they like they all knew who she was. And so by this point we do know she was walking. When she would try to get into the airport, she would put her hair in front of her face and like walk with her face down from them. Then what go through security? Yeah, they still sometimes want to notice, and so well, you mean they wouldn't notice she's got to go through the metal detector. Still she just waits on the line and skips on through. Yeah, so she So she after this event on October eleventh where she didn't get through, I'm thinking about the Chicago security layout at Ohair I guess sure. Yeah, so she it was typically O'Hare, sometimes midway, but typically O'Hair, and both of them knew her, and both of them we have radio conversations with them being like half sighted Maryland at whatever gate or at security or whatever your first name base was of the TSA. So she yeah, uh, but but yeah, we got the TSA agent and he's like, hey, I got a Maryland siding at this gate. And you can hear another TSA agent say wait really, because like it was just it was an exciting thing for them to catch Maryland. Yeah, and then they would all leave their posts to go see Maryland, and so many people just through it through security. I want to get her. I want to be the one to get her. Let me go. They're trying to race. They're racing each other to see who can tackle Maryland. Imagine just one hundred DSA agents running through Chicago like home alone, trying to get there Maryland, Maryland. So she was detained for this and she stayed in Cook County Jail until twenty twenty, where when she was released from jail as part of an initiative to prevent the transmission of COVID nineteen and twenty twenty. So my uncle was actually part of that as well. Really, so my uncle was in jail all the time and then he got released during COVID coat during COVID COVID, she just made out a garbage twenty COVID COVID. That's pretty dumb COVID. Anyway, he was released during COVID. Uh and his like sentence is done. It's like, hey, man, COVID's happening. Yeah, you don't got to come back here. You're Scott free. Get out of here. Yeah you know your service is done U. And then two weeks later he stole someone's truck and went back to It's like, dude, you were out, that was it? Oh my gosh. So I write him every day? What I write him letters every day? I go, ha, we wanted you there. We stole the truck. So so she gets put into transitional housing okay, and where she has like an ankle monitor and stuff like that. So she on one March okay, okay one, okay, COVID COVID one, the COVID COVID one. She rips off her ankle monitor. Yeah, and she gets caught in the bus line at Chicago, hair like she literally gets off the mother like not even let like the bus drivers all nowhere too. The bus driver's like, I got a Maryland. She gets off the bus and Tessa's they're waiting for her and they're like, all right, Marilyn, come on. And so before she even gets in the door, like this is like her like addiction. It kind of seems like it. It's like it's like, how far can I get no hair without getting okay? And so she gets put back into transitional housing. And on March third, twenty twenty two, she pled guilty in Cook County Court to felony trespassing and escape from electronic monitoring since to two years in prison, two years and eighteen month in prison, and she but she got to like the time that she previously spent in custody got to go towards that, So does she just get out? She spent like eight months in prison as all she's spent in there, and they had dropped all their other charges that she had, and she says that she's just happy to move on with her life at this point. And as far as we know, I don't believe you, Marylyn. As far as we know, this hasn't happened again. But when all this happened, she finally agreed to her first news interview. And on this news interview, we asked some pointed questions. I shouldn't say we we did think we create her, We should interview her. We might be able to. She hasn't done anything other than that news interview, but is like Marilyn the jet it's probably MARILYNH at Delta dot com. She's an operative, she's a secret shopper trying to figure out you know what I'm saying. TSA is sending people through just to see yeah, yeah, just to see what could happen. So she says, yeah, there's all these cases she got caught for. What is this one, two, three, four, five cases she got caught for. She's like, I did this about thirty times. And they're like, when did you start? She said two thousand and two, and she said her first flight was too really and she just one day just she didn't have a ticket and she just walked into Chicago O'Hare and got on a flight. And they were like, can you walk us through how you're doing this, because as far as we all know, airport security is pretty tight, and she was like, it's not well. She said the first time, she said, she walked into the airport and she noticed a TSA agent carrying a box walking through security, and the guy like just let him through, and so she just followed closely behind him and acted like she was with him, and they just let her follow and she was like, She's like, I think it's because I just looked kind of inconspicuous. She's like, nobody thinks anything of me, and so she's like, I was able to just follow him right through security, and then I was there, and then she said, and then when it came time to poort, I just kind of grouped in with a family and acted like I was with them and was able to just walk right past the gate agent and got on the flight and rode there and did the same thing on the way back, and it worked. And so then I was curious if I could do it again. You couldn't get through customs. Yeah, that's very curious. Yeah, they're not just okay, Customs is a very different story. I don't know how that worked. She didn't detail that. Yeah, they're not letting you through. But the so the guy started asking some more questions and started asking about her mental health, because that was part of the claim that they made in court, was that she was mentally unwell. And the claim that they made was that she what happens if you get on a fully like every Southwest father go on is full these days, Every single seat is taken. Yeah, that's true. Well, there was there was a case that they caught her because she sat in someone's seat and then the person who had the ticket for that seat was like, that's my sight. And then they were like who are you and she was like, I don't have a ticket. She was like, that's supposed to be see myself out. I'll just go. Can you open the door for me? Oh, we don't have to. The bolts are loose, that's okay. I could ride underneath, I could ride with the bags. I'm okay with that. Honestly a better plan. So she So the guy in the interview starts asking questions because he's like, he's like, there's all this these claims of mental health, like that you have your defense was you have depression and uh uh PTSD and so he's like, he's like, how where does that come into all this? And she said she says, oh, that's why I'm doing this. And he's like, can you tell us a little bit more about that? And she says, my name is not My name was never Marilyn Hartman. I was born Marylyn Stall. And she said, I grew up in like an abusive home. I wasn't really a great upbringing. And she said, and then I saw something and uh, a local law enforcement agent, and I got kind of into a a long legal issue, and I became kind of an informant against them and some of their corrupt practices that they had. And so I was put into witness protection and my name was changed to Marilyn Hartman. Uh. And he was like, okay, and now you're on TV. You know how this works, right, telling everybody about this? Yeah? And he and she si Amon witness protection. I jarenmer witness. I named Jaren Myers, but Myers was spelled amy e y. This is a different Buyers. Now, my name is Paul Rudd, the actor, Paul Rudd. Kamma the actor. The actor is one word. That's my last name. Yeah, you comma between your first and last name. I go, the actor. Comma, Paul Rudd. There you go, dot com dot com. Great, now we gotta get that too. Comma full word, Comma, Comma full word. COVID, COVID dot com. So they so she says, she says, because of that, I have PTSD from that whole experience. Okay, And she says, my let me do it. My other diagnosis that wasn't listed in the court filing. She said, I have She says, I have witness protection fighter flight syndrome. Uh all right, And so she says, so at specific moments where uh, I feel the stress of what I know, she says, I feel an urge to her flight. And so she says, for me, that's always flight. I'm not a fight, I'm a flight. And you know that that's not literal, right, You know that the fighter flight response is not like a flight means like running away from the issue, avoiding moving. It doesn't mean literally boarding an aircraft. And so she says, so I board a flight and get as far away from the stimulus as I possibly can. And so that's what she she claims she was because of being a whistleblower on whatever she knew about whatever agent she was exposing. She would get that stress that would boil up and she would have to drop everything and go get on a flight. And so she would go to the airport and get in the airport, and they said, well, how are you getting through security, because it certainly it can't be this. You're just following a guy with a box every time, or like hiding your face with some hair thing. She says. She says, oh, well, this is part of my protection. They know that this is a response that I have, and so this goes all the way to the top. Obama is opening some doors to for me, and there are TSA agents who who know, and they see me come in and they let me through. They guide me through security, and they allow me to get on that flight. They clear me to board the plane. And because Obama said that I can, but there are other TSA agents who disagree with this system, and that's why I'm getting arrested all of a sudden. Yeah, hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this and you want more of our show, We've got plenty of other episodes's. One of my favorites is Action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers and they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey. It was a wild story. But we did a whole episode about it and I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. Yeah, oh, Obama said she could go through. She said, Obama said, I hate that guy, not my president. You're going to jail, Lady, Lady Colin, I understand. Thanks, So she's just lying. We have no idea, Yeah, we have no idea how she's doing it. Though some TSA agents are really nice. Sometimes I bake them muffins and they let me through agents. They yell you get the laptop out of your back. I swear, if you walk up to the if you talk through the thing and you're pulling your laptop out, if it's if they see it's still in the bag at all, but get it out of the bag, and you're like, it's literally doing that. I'm in the middle of doing doing it right now. They would taste you if they could, if they had taste, if they wish, they fast, And you're telling me. Some of them are kind harder enough to be like, come on, come on, Marylyn. No, it's Marylyn. She can go through. Yeah. I don't understand how she's doing it because her story that's not real. Her story sounds insane. They let me go on the plane. Her story sounds insane. But I'm gonna be honest, it's more believable than she's just sneaking through TSA, Like there's no way she's just like keeping her head low and slithering through TSA. It's more believable, then some of them let me do it. I think it's I think it's more believable that some people that can do it. The one thing I will say is, lately, and this doesn't explain her this going back to two thousand and two, but lately I have noticed that TSA agents don't always need your boarding pass anymore. I don't know what the difference is there. They used to your ID and your boarding pass. Now they just need your ID, right, because your ID is linked to your boarding pass. So when you put your ID in pulling up your name and that's pulling up the list of names in flight see, then then that doesn't make sense either, because because my thought was, if they're not always pulling boarding passes, then they're just looking ID. She can get through that, No, because they're not. If your name, your name doesn't match the flight registry, then you can't get through. Yeah, that's crazy. So yeah, I don't know how she's doing it to me. And now they've got digital ID. Yeah, you go the picture and it takes a picture of your face and it matches it to your I D that's already in the system. Which are you serious? Gosh, that makes me so mad. I was just thinking the other day, and I got unnecessarily really angry at this because again, now traffic cams are going to do that for sure, like they're gonna be able to be like, oh, there's there's fire miners, there's Timson. I don't care about that. What bothers me is that I had to go fill out a form yes to get my passport, to put my name and address. I'm not going to fill out one long time. You know where I am, you know where to find me. Literally all of this. I don't need to give this to you. You have all this information. I don't need to give you my birth certificate. I don't need to give you. You know, my name originally, have you changed and the witness production program changed my name, which feels weird. It feels very weird, mey. Once in a while, I think about it that way. You should think about your lizard being in a witness production program at your house. We had to re home this cat because this cat saw too much. Every time I walk by that lizard, I'm like, I know what you saw. I know what you saw. I know what you saw, and it's just like the lizard do that to you. Yeah, if your lizard only, if only, how do you make your lizard man? If I pick her up? Yeah, or if you interact with their anyway. She's very solidary. I mean most will your lizard bite you. My lizard doesn't really mind me anymore. When I when we first got her, like, she would turn black and hiss at pretty much anything we did. Now she doesn't mind me so much. Like I can pick her up here. She doesn't care, doesn't Why do you have this thing? Then? Do you tell me I didn't didn't breathe want it? Yeah? Yeah, Sorry, I'm not trying to bring up a fight on the podcast, but she doesn't listen. I'm trying to start a fight between you and me. Why do you have this thing? I don't have an answer for you, but yeah, I'm going to let it loose to my apartment, just let the cats chase it around. No, we would make sure they couldn't get her. It would be fun to watch. She's fast. She's fast. Sometimes I can't get her and she goes all through the house. Yeah. Yeah, they breathe fire. Yeah, I didn't know the hissed anyway. Yeah, that's how I get through scary when they do your license. I don't know you could go on through. Clearly you've got PTSD, which is why we would allow you on this flight. Clearly you're trying to Clearly you're pretty messed up. So we know you've had a bad childhood and you've seen some stuff. You wish it, and in this state of mind, we think that's best to let you through TSA and onto this commercial flight. Welcome Maryland. Well, so, TSA was interviewed about this, take a middle seat. TSA was interviewed about this and the TSA agent that they interviewed. I don't know how high ranking this TSA agent was. They just said TSA agent, So I don't know, Like, yeah, if they were like head of TSA or just a TSA a TSA agent, if said I bet, I imagine if they were the head of TSA, it would say head of TSA. Yeah. I think the head of TSA's title is TSA god, TSA god. I think it's ts administrator administrator. That's interesting though we don't know the administrator the TSA is. Yes, we do look it up, lookers in charge of the TSA. What if you just don't know it off the top of your head. That doesn't mean we don't know who it is, only some kind of freaking secret dude, isn't it to make sure that bald guy isn't it? Look at him. It's he bald, he's got here. His name is David P. Pokowski. That sounds fake. What if he's leading like a shadow government and he's the one pulling all the strings. Anyways, it wasn't him. I can tell you it wasn't him. But I don't know how. This might have been his number two guy, or it could have been his number sixty, he said. And so what he said, he said, the job of the TSA is to make sure that no forbidden items make it onto an aircraft. Is not our job to make sure that people getting all the people He's like, it's not our job to make sure that people who don't have tickets don't get on the aircraft. That makes the airlines bring it. Yeah, And so a lot of the airlines were interviewed, and a lot of most of the airlines, not all of them, but most the airlines said, we are committed to a safe travel experience. We're committed to a safe travel experience. They're on the airline the airplane kitchen a little, the coffee kitchenette. Yeah, yeah, this is the kitchenette where I hope, where I pray psychos bad. So the A it was like, was like we we were doing everything we're supposed to do right. She never brought anything dangerous on a flight, and true the airlines were like, we're doing everything right except for sometimes we let her on the flight. We can't be my bad okay, like we know who's one time we let her fly it? She said she was the pilot we're supposed to do. Can I fly this plane as a trauma response? Please? Sure thing. You can't deny me. It's over. You can't deny me it's trauma. Those are the rules. Can I emotional support fly this plane please? It's my emotional supports. Oh yeah, I'm having a real big flare up of anxiety right now. Which pilot this aircraft to fly this plane? Yeah, it'll problem. I'll say that when I fly tomorrow morning, five in the morning. I'm sure the pilot will be up for jokes that I'll show up and I go, I need to fly this plane. I need to be the one. I need to fly this I need it. I need it, and Obama said I can't. Obama said I could. Obama told me to tell you. I get to fly this plane. I have this on Nikky Haley's authority, and I'm allowed to fly this plane. And they're like the airlines, we know about her. We have systems in place to prevent this, but I don't. We don't know how it's happening. Sometimes it happens, honestly. Let's let's be real, though, Let's let's play this out. Who knows how she gets through TSA. I don't know how it's happening. That's insane, that's insane. I've got to believe there's an inside man. That's the only way. Okay, let's just play it. She gets through TSA and she gets to the gate. Let's be real, Like, you're a gate agent. There's an old woman who just slithers past you. Like, do you get paid enough to care? Yeah? You do. Actually, wait, it's not only this money issue. It is a safety of the aircraft issue. But you will immediately lose your job if you let that happen. Yeah, there's no no, but yeah, I a depressing. Nine years ago, the FA is like, hey, you can't do this. Yeah, I know that, but they're under the drisation of the FAA. But does your job matter enough? I'm saying, I don't know why the FAA hasn't shot this lady down. Scramble the warriors. You know she's in this flight. We did a grounded no no, no, not the flight, shoot her physically herself down. I don't know the car. I don't know how the bus pick up there. Yeah, but she was too quick. She's too fast for us. The FAA does move very slow. That is actually, that's one of their big things, one of the things they're good at. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know how she's doing it. She told us and her story is insane, But the reality of the situation, I can't think of another way she's doing it without somebody letting her through. Like, there's no way, she's just sweet talking her way through TSA. There's no way. So I've got it. I'm saying, how did she do it? Well, yeah, in Chicago maybe, but by the time that she flew from San Jose to Los Angeles, Yeah, yeah, San, I mean she's flown San Jose, Lon Santas, Minnesota's I mean, there's no security internationally. Yeah, yeah, there's still security over there. Yeah, it's a different TSA. Yeah, so mama has got no say what happens in the Italian FAA. That's right, what is it a different fa We have the TSA, they have the mob. You can't find. The only thing you can brief is live grenades. It's all we allow. You know, it was in your bag. Yeah, it wasn't until you win through the mob. You're at Rome International Airport. We're all family or you're dead. How early do you think in the in the mayor mayoral process, do you think that they record those airport things? Because every airport you go to first Hey, first day, for sure, you think it's first day. Yeah, because because if you pay close, they're too excited. They haven't they haven't made Hey, you just want yeah, get over here. Yeah, say welcome to the airport. Hi, I'm Mayor Quentin Lucas. Welcome to the Kansas City International Airport. Yeah, whether you're visiting or your home, enjoy some good barbecue and small talk with the enterprise car rental agent. Okay, you're talking too much, mister mayor that you got to go do whatever else you're supposed to do. This was a very quick thing, all right. Sorry, sorry, sorry sorry, And that's all in the recording man to be a t SA celebrity. Is there anything else that she's done that we know of? No, all we know is she witnessed. She said she's done it, since she says she's done with that. She says she's left that life bed and she's she's done with it, allegedly because I promise, I promise, I'm never doing it again. But she's really good at it. However she's doing it, she's really good at it. So it saved me a lot of money. Yeah, if if, as long as she doesn't go to a hair because that's where they know her, Yeah, I think she could still be doing it. I'm going to commit her face and memory, and I'm gonna look forward in every flight, you're gonna see it, just another lady that looks vaguely like her and be like, hey, did you pay for this flight? Hi? Show your ticket? What's your name? What's your name? Even better to just just to be like, I know what you saw. Oh, I don't freak her out. Obama told me you can't be here fit off. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode if you liked it. We have a past episode about a guy named Michael Fagan who's snuck into Buckingham Palace more than once and it is insane. It's a boker story, honestly. We have one of my favorite bits of all time in the middle of that episode, so definitely check that out if you haven't already. And hey, if you're not a patroon, now's a great time to become one. 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This episode of the Things I Learned Last Night podcast covers the incredible story of Marilyn Hartman, a woman who repeatedly was able to sneak onto commercial airline flights without a ticket starting in 2002. She was first caught in 2014 on a flight from San Jose to LAX but claims she successfully snuck onto around 30 flights before getting … Read More

He Went to Jail but His Crime Didn’t Stop

04-30-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to Things I Learned last Night. This is a educational comedy podcast where every week Tim teaches me something and we laugh a lot about stuff. So, you know, if you're like, oh, I want just a straight educational video, this is not it. This is the one follows through. This week's episode is about the Circleville Letters and town in Ohio who just keeps like a bunch of people keep receiving letters that's kind of alluding to all of the dirt and the secrets in their lives and threatening to expose them all. So we explore the theories of who it was and what happened and what the consequences of these letters were. But anyway, here's the episode. Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the Circleville Letters? This? Circleville Letters, Circleville Letters? All right, I have not heard of the Circleville Circleville Circleville. Okay. So first of all, that shirt on purpose, no happy accident. It's a happy accident, all right, It's unrelated, but it is a happy accident. Okay, this is a tattoo shirt, I know. Okay. Uh No. Circleville is a town in Ohio about twenty miles south of I know where Circleville is. I did a show there. Did you really what outside of Columbus? What place? Like? What was the show? Well? You know another think about it. I don't remember. I think it was like a I remember was it the stage lights or was it like other bright lights? And there was a doctor Hello, good day to you this day, this day. Have you seen that guy on TikTok I showed you. I need to send you his profile. Yeah, a guy who's like yeah Bushaw comes and speaks for me, you know, and like and that's what's hard to me, So quit doing that crap. Just insane hands throughout the whole thing. Insane handwriting, insane spelling. I can't get over much with the test. That isn't the craziest they've kind ever seen. Huh correctly spelled, Gilaspie cannot spell much. I saw a guy at the airport whip out the black Amex the other day, and I almost followed him to lug him. Things I learned last night circle down at Ohio, about twenty minutes twenty miles south of Columbus. I'm aware you already said that. But here's Circleville. Do you remember this? They got a big pumpkin water tower because apparently, Oh I don't remember that pumpkin fest is really big. Yes, they have a big pumpkin festival in water Tower. Yeah, a big pumpkin festival. So they got a big pumpkin water I have. Is this close to where there's an EDM music festival that happens, Oh called the Neverlands. No EDM, just google dina sort EDM festival, Ohio, okay, lost Lands? Lost Lands. Yeah, look at the pictures of that. Oh gosh, I already want to go to this. So here's the thing. Those dinosaurs are up the year round, so they leave those giant dinosaurs there, so and you can see them from like the highway. Really, there's just dinosaurs out in this field. And my aunts live close to there. Oh what what I want to go? Yeah? I don't like M at all. I would go as far as to say I don't like the agent is like, oh really, really, well, what about these dinosaurs? Huh? These are pretty freaking real, aren't they pretty real? To me? Maddie? Yeah, so let's let's see this is. Hey, you don't have the PTO to go to that, so don't worry about it. This is I could not imagine. I'm seeing so many people in their thirties and stuff. Were you listening to our talking? Pretty far from Okay, let's do this. Let's just do the episode Circle Fill has got a pumpkin for a water tower. That's the whole episode. What do you? What do you? What do you? What are you saying? No, I was gonna say, I can't, like, I'm I'm I'm on the side of TikTok with a bunch of you know, people our age who are old. Yeah, and uh and everyone's always complaining about like their PTO and you know, oh, I admitted PTO requests, my boss requests, Like listen, I I can't about to say something a little out of touch. I can tell you I'm for sure, but no, I'm I mean not really. I mean it's like it's like, dude, I remember being in all of my twenties, I made less money than my friends. Yeah, you know, and now I'm rolling it. No, but uh so it's not like you know, I I just couldn't imagine that having I'm saying, if I admitted pt it's not a PTO request, it is a PTO notification, it's a it's a pto. Hey, I'm doing it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and then getting it denied, I'm just quit. Yeah. To be fair, yeah, I'm never I've never had a job where it was like you request and there's even the possibility of it being that maybe the church, maybe the church was that way. Yeah, but yeah, every other job I've had because you requested off on Eastern Friday, I have off really observing our Savior. And they were like, that's the only week you can't take that, that's the I was like, okay, what about Christmas? Like that's the other only week, the other only month. I mean, I was like, I was like, okay, what about August ninth? And they were like, oh, that's the other old Why did you say August ninth? It's just a random date, okay, Because they won't let you take any day. What happens in Circleville. Oh it's warming here. That's a little touch on the toast, but the toast okay, Circleville, Ohio circles of town. Hey, I didn't even do that on purpose. Oh hey, that's right pronounced Ohio. Oh sorry, oh hey sorry it's Ohi Ohio, Ohio. Okay. Starting in the late seventies, this town in Ohio, I guess starting in the mid seventies to seventy six, I believe this town in Ohio started receiving letters, Like people in this town started receiving letters, okay from either a past either the letter was like on there was no return address, but it was postmarked from Columbus, or there was a return address that was some variation of five point fifty Ridgewood or Wedgewood or Redwood. It was just suff similar to that drive. So there's a person writing letters to the town to just handle people throughout town. Oh okay, not just like men of the people of Circleville. We might as well call it to the town because it was it was pretty much everybody in the town had received one at one point. It was a small town, like a seven hundred people all the time. Yeah, you gotta start feeling a little left out if you don't get one. Yeah, the guy, the letter, the letter boy isn't writting me, then you're starting to fake it. You're starting to like write your own letter. A letter. Yeah, it's like me, you I got a letter, Yeah, she wrote me. What did your letters say? My letter said, you're a wizard. Harry, that's nothing like the letters all of us mine said be sure to drink your oval tee or we're gonna kill your family. Yeah, that's crazy. Ours did mention ovalte Actually, now that you say that, tonight in Circleville, Ohio, the whole family has been slaughtered in the name of brought to you by. This is your first episode. There's no other kind of It doesn't get better. So this so people throughout the town, we're getting these letters. Sure, but even the ones that had the address of a place in Circleville, it was still postmarked Columbus. That's important, Okay, So it still went through Columbus. It still went through Columbus. And there is a five point fifty Ridgewood Drive, but there's not Wedgewood, there's not Redwood, and so there's I don't know what the deal is with there. It looks like they might have been trying to pin it on someone. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like either the person writing the letters just forgot. Yeah, it was just like what's my address? No, no, no, not there. They were using a fake road and they were like Ridgewood, red Robin whatever, Red Robin Drive. Yeah, yeah, that's close. But these letters, well, these letters would go to specific people and they would outline like dirt that they had on that person. Sure, and then sometimes they would have demands, but sometimes they'd just be like, we know you, but you don't know me, like that sort of concept. So it all started with this guy. This guy received the first one, at least as far as we know. His name is Gore and Massy like the wrong person to get a fun little letter. This guy looks like he's just a fun little letter. He just looks like he sucks. Man. Yeah. I don't know if you can tell by this, uh this photograph, but he is the west Fall superintendent. You're listening. The photo says Gordon Massy is the west Fall superintendent. Oh yeah he is. Which is a local high school? Is the local high school west Fall? Yeah, and so he's the superintendent, which does sound like a fake high school out of like a cartoon. Also, also it's interesting that he's the principal, right, superintendent. That's that's my that's my point because like the district intendent. You don't know what that means. The district has a superintendent school district. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, he's just the high school though, so he's not the district superintendent. West Fall is just the high school, and he's the superintendent of high school, which tells me he became the principle and said we're calling it superintendent. Now that's what I think is happening. Now, Okay, sure, he's like, he's like, I'm the superintendent advice. It's it might be because look at the guy, like you already said it, like, this is the guy who comes in and is like, don't call me principal. I am superintendent, don't call me principal. Yeah, that's the guy. So this guy gets a letter, and here's what this letter says. Okay, You're discretion is advice. It says. That's how it opened. That's how the letter opened. Dear sir, dear viewer, discretion advice, sir, Dear sir, According to my GF, you have asked her to go out on many times, and I've asked the other female bus drivers too, due to your position and their jobs with you. This guy's type is a bus driver. Hey, bus driver, we're bus drivers hot in the seventies. Uh, google it, you tell me this is a bus driver question. I have just got good tea. Yeah, we could leave it that sure, Sure, I mean she's pretty pretty lady. Yeah, her name is Mary Gillespie. Anyways, we'll continue the letter, he says, GF though, yeah, from my GF. He says, due to your position and their jobs with you, you should not do this. Good point. This must stop at once for the good of the school and families. If they are not stopped, I will be forced to write the school board, and I'd hate to do that. To prey on another man's girl is untouchable, especially when they're out trying to make a living. There's also talk of you dating a married woman and taking advantage of them. Do you need the time and the name? Again? And so it's interesting that they said again, it seems like this might not be the first letter. And then he says, please think, I suggest you find yourself a pimple faced deep Yeah, censor in that word and start up with her and leave my girls alone. Uh. And so this guy gets this letter, and remember we've already looked at him. This guy gets this letter, and he now that I see him, he's a handsome man. You know, now that now I see him, that light show the bus driver again this is Mary Gillespie. Okay, she's got a couple of pimples on her face. You know I did that, mystery writer. Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Gordon. We know for a fact that this is the bus driver the writer is talking about, Yes, because she received a letter as well. What is her letters? So we I don't have her first letter, but I do have a second letter, and so this will give you a perspective what these letters look like to So these letters big block letters. So they're like, this is your last chance to report him. I also like that writer. Literally just address this lady. I know you are a pig. Lady, Oh, I like that lady. This is your last chance to report him. I know you are a pig, and will prove it and shame you out of Ohio. A pig sneaks around and meet other women's husbands behind their backs, only lots of like Colon's. I know, it's very weird. They end a lot of sentences with colon's causes, families spelled wrong, causes, families, colon holmes, and marriages to suffer Colon. You are such a pig, and I will prove it. Why doesn't he come to your rescue or has he too much to loose his wife underlined in which pigs like you take advantage of his twenty eight thousand, five hundred dollars a year job. I love just exact salary. I don't know. I expected this and his kickbacks. How's your little girl? Will she grow to be like you? And then he spends a lot of time on that question super bold question mark like the boldest questions. It's all yeah, big block letters, big block letters, a lot of spelling errors, a lot of grammar errors, a lot of punctuation errors. Which I didn't realize was the comment. Okay, and here's the deal. So this guy is just or this person is just. They call him the writer stirring up drama in Circleville. Yeah, so this writer knows dirt on people in Circleville. Uh and yeah, is throwing it in their face with the letters and writing them multiple letters. Mary. For example, I had received about twenty of these Oh my gosh. They throughout from the mid seventies, ever bothered a learn her name, lady, Lady Colin. From the mid seventies to nineteen ninety four, there were over one thousand of these letters that went to people all throughout Circleville, so over like almost twenty years. Yeah, they're sending letters to people throughout Circleville. This writer, okay, and so Gordon gets this letter, and then Mary gets this letter and Mary Mary is like, I don't want to say covering it up, but just ignoring it. Gordon's doing kind of the same. Gordon's like, this isn't legit because Gordon Gordon, how many letters over one thousand throughout twenty years? Twenty years is like how many months? Whatever? Twelve times twenty four hundred yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, forty what now undred and forty months eagle Scout. I was trying to think of the weeks for a second, and then I went, okay, yeah, yes, two hundred and forty months. So he's writing five a month, one a week, yeah, pretty much. I was trying to think of how many weeks earlier. It's like it's quite a bit of weeks. Yeah, yeah, that's probably about right one a week, yeah, because I mean that's yeah, that's about a thousand weeks. Yeah. And they're they're showing up to people throughout the town and it's not just these people, this is yeah, that's commitment you got to say something about the commitment to the craft. Committing to your craft, you know, they say, they say you want to if you want to get good at something, you got to put ten thousand hours in. And so the the writer was telling Massy the supermendent. He's like, he's like, confess your crimes. I don't know if crimes is kind of I mean, an affairs not a crime, is it? It's not good. It's not a legue legal crime. Yeah, I guess if both people are it's a crime against but what both If it's a consensual affair, then yeah, it's not a crime. What are you talking about. I'm just trying to figure out if it's legal or not. It's legal your spouse, Yeah, it's just messed up. Okay, So he said, confessive your your actions or I'm gonna I'm going to write to the school board. Now what actually might be illegal is if she's an employee of the school district that he is. Yeah, that would be yeah. Then yeah. Mary is trying to ignore this. She keeps getting letters being like I'm gonna, I'm gonna out you for this. And the big threat to Mary is like, your daughter's gonna find out, right, And and I mean Mary's also Mary, and so Mary's got a husband named Ron. Okay, Massie's got a wife. I don't know if Massie's wife is ever named in any of these documents. And a son. I'm pretty sure this is like a we look at the statistics for this, But while Boomers are the highest divorced generation, right, is it just because they Yeah, they got all kinds of issues. I'm serious, they have all kinds of issues. So boomers are the highest divorced generation of any like any before them or after? You're the highest divorced. Do you think it's because it's the first one that was like, yeah, this is fine. I don't know, that's what I'm saying. But Gen X and millennials aren't divorcing at that at that rate. I mean, I guess we'll see over time, I guess, But I'm wondering what the rate of affairs were with different generations. I wonder if that is an interesting question. Obviously it's hard to I guess calculate, but yeah, especially if we talked about how Gen Z is more idiots on the Internet than boomers are. Yeah, yeah, interesting, full offense to you. Guys. But so Massy is getting these threats, and so MASSI gets another letter that basically basically says, hey, like you're you're not moving fast enough, and it's like the next day, and so it's like, what do you what do you expect me to do? But also tweet about this. Here's the next day. How the writers send it that quick? Yeah, it might have been like they had any and then the next day with boom, not even in time for this person to come out and acknowledge it. And yeah, and and to be fair, like, if you're in that position, it's kind of like a catch twenty two because what he's telling Massy to do, what the writer's telling Massy to do is confess or I'm gonna tell the board. The results the same either way. And so it's like, if you're in Massy's shoes, you might as well just hold and see if they because there's a level of like, oh, you got a random letter in the mail from a psycho. Yeah, they're telling the truth. Yeah, And if you're Massy, you probably like I mean, I guess we don't know for sure, but like I don't think that anything was actually happening, Like I don't think Massey was actually doing the things he was accused of. So Massy's just like this is a baseless claim, right, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, and so so MASSI doesn't do anything. Mary buries this, and then I don't think Mary intentionally buries this. But Mary's husband, Ron gets a letter, mister Gillespie, Okay, hold on, you're doing a lot for her. No one cares that much for anyone these days, as much as spelled super wrong, m usc ch why is there all right? Make him come to her rescue? But he won't. He's being awful good lately. He knows what he must do, but he won't make her admit the truth. Call the school board. His affairs must stop. Everyone will know soon. Think of yourself. And so Ron was like still random. Colon's thrown in just insane hands throughout the whole thing. Insane hand ritting, insane spelling. I can't get over much. I can't get over much with an s. That is the craziest thing. Huh, correctly spells. Gillespie cannot spell much. Yeah, that is insane to me. And Nicoleon's who taught you that? I need to know? Anyways, huh so uh. Glasspie sees this and he's like, what what is this? And so he talks to Mary. Mary's like, oh, yeah, I've been getting these letters. Mary, I received the strangest things today. It's really the only thing I can think about. I'm I'm so parent of about what this could be. I have no idea what's going on. It's I had to come home earlier from work. I can't finish the birthday. I got this very odd letter. It's so scary to me. Yeah, look at this, and she goes, oh, yeah, I have like twenty of them. Yeah. They're all like, oh, I'm going to ruin your life and stuff. And I just kind of kept throwing away. I thought they were junk maw. I thought they hurt credit card. I thought they were Imagine that Express. It's like, mister Gillespie, I'm gonna expose your affair. Lets you sign up for an American Express right now? Spending too much? Think of yourself, mister four interests. Mister Gillespie, your wife has access to your credit card. You need a secret card. We know what you've been we know you've been up to sign up for Chase today. I'm gonna buy my next car on a credit card. I tell you that what. I'm gonna buy my next car on a credit card, but for the points. Yeah, I'm just gonna go to the Toyota dealership. I must say, run that platform. I'm trying to get myself a Centurion car? Did they even do that? I saw a guy at the airport whip out the black Amex the other day and I almost followed him to mug him. I was like, I'm sure he's got you one of those show me the money. No. But I saw that, and I was like, it's like when you you know, there's the Modern Family episode where he's like, yeah, we're on the top floor of this very fancy hotel. Yeah, you know and the sixty third floor. Yeah, and he's getting he's getting shaved by the butler. Yeah. He goes, hey, I saw someone a fish in the elevator. Where are they taking that room? Do you know? Is that an option? Can I order some of that? Hees, oh, sorry, sir, that is for our Diamond Elite members on the sixty fourth floor. And he goes, what and he's just outside going sixty three sixty four. And I've never related to a character in a show more because at the end of the show there's another thing where he gets the sixty fourth floor and they're like, sorry, so that's actually for our diamond elite elites. And then he's outside sixty sixty four sixty five what and that's I have never related to a character more than that episode. And then that guy whipped out that black Centurion card and I was like, I want to be him. I'm going to write you a letter in your life and take your card. I've counted hotel floors for that same reason before, not that same reason, a similar reason, but there's only three four. Oh, this sounds like a psycho plan. Yeah. No, I've counted hotel floors. I just like to know what I'm getting into and my escape routes. I'm sorry. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you want to help us grow our show, one of the easiest and best ways to do that is to join our Patreon. It's a way for your financial to support this show, and you get a lot in return. You get access to our discord channel, you get bonus content that comes out, you get exclusive merchandise, and like live Zoom hangouts where we're both just hanging out, eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't supports financially, we're not pressed about it. We're not like mad. But I'll find you. So text till into six six eight sixty six to keep yourself from being found, all right, because if you don't, I will want you down. No. That was at that haunted hotel in Albuquerque. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, yeah yeah, where where there was no third floor. Yeah, they said there was no third floor, but it was like it was like almost like a pyramid. There was two floors. We were on the same floor, you know how you know, like there's no third floor just means there's no access to the third floor. There's clearly a third floor. No no, no, no, no no no. There was two floors that you could see from outside. Okay, the third floor it was like a pyramid. The third floor was in like a stepped pyramid. It wasn't as big, but you couldn't see it from the ground level, like unless we actually went out and drove out to a nearby hills so we could shure the third floor. I saw the craziest thing in Waynesville today. What look up Alpine House way in Saint Robert, Missouri. Alpine A L P I N E house like the German one h A or h yeah h A U s this? Yes, look at that it do you have a side angle of it and you see the signing. Because this looks like this is insane. What is like, is this a hotel? It's abandoned. Now it's for sale? Oh shut up? How much buy it? I don't know. Yeah, a dollar at least in so new studio. Yeah, I mean this looks crazy to me. Yeah, here's the side I mean, yeah, it doesn't look like this anymore. Yeah, because there's an open sign on all that stuff. No, it's it's for sale. This looks like literally the hello neighbor house. This looks like, yeah, this is insane. This just kind of keeps Was this all built at once? You think, surely not. No, they had a building, they put the pavilion on. They're like, okay, we got a little driver, let's just put another thing on top. I like the idea that the house at the top was first, and they kept raising slowly, they slowly built. I like the idea that the house of the top was first, and then through the mud slides, the rest of this has been uncovered. And then they're like, there's a doctor Pepper machine. Now there's you know that that's pretty crazy. I can't believe that that's all covered in the mud slide. Doctor Pepper existed before the flood. So, yeah, this is the craziest look at Yeah, that is wild. No, we were we were at the hotel and it was supposed to be haunted. We tried to go to the third floor and you go up the stairs and it was boarded up, like literally boarded up the third floor. Yeah, and then we were like, okay, that's crazy. We didn't know there was a third flour. So we like went out and we went up a nearby hill and you could see it from up there. It was like stepped in. And then we get in the in the elevator and we get in the elevator and we like kind of gave up. We were trying to find our way in and we like we actually took the service elevator and it wanted to let us up. You need a key, you know, obviously, and we hit two and it hit ding ding, and the doors open to the third floor and the lights were out. The exit sign was like dangling, and obviously it's Albuquerque and like the summer so hot, the heat. The air wasn't on up there, and so the doors opened. We just get blasted with this heat and it's dark. The exits signs like dangling and flashing. There a demon all running down the all way. Yeah, a glitter monster, yeah, the glitter monster. And never went back to that hotel. I start a little closed or that we were and hold elevator. I've been here. Yeah, that's probably what it was. I lost someone to die of heat exhaustion. Random, Yeah, just still stuck up there. They poured me up either shame. Yeah, he's up there for he was up there for a mister beasts, Uh competition. I can survive ninety nine days on the first floor. Yeah, and they forgot about him. Yeah, they're doing so many videos, They've got so much going on anyway anyways. Uh so, yeah, so I don't remember how we got got a letter, that's what it was. Ron got a letter. Yeah, and he was like, hey, this is pretty crazy and his wife was like, that's not pretty normal for me. Actually, yeah, So I got these every week, so run And then I was like, oh what if they were like credit card things, you know? And then it's like oh yeah, and I was like, I'm gonna use my credit card to buy a car, like what? Then I was like, I'm gonna get the Centurion card, you know, I want to get that because I want to get that guy all right. Then and then it went like, oh, you know different floors, you know, speaking of floors, you see the Alpine House. And then you told your story again, which you for sure told the podcast one and then it's not and then uh, it's like, oh it's not. And then we joked around like oh yeah, the Glitter Monster, it's a call back. Uh. And then we go on to mister Ba's challenge and now we're here, Okay, good, I'm crazy that my brain can do that. I'm going to call, uh, Dave Ramsey and you're thinking about buying the car on a credit card? Can we make a show that's us in our studio calling Dave Ramsey. I've actually thought about that. I thought about trolling Dave Ramsey a lot. I think about it. Every day. Actually, I wake up and I write them letters. That's pretty great. We should do that. Can we create it? So my counselor suggested I do instead. Counselors like, just write them letters. Hey, if you support us enough on Patreon, we'll build a dude that looks exactly like his studio and I'll start shave our heads. And that what you want, you can shave your head. I need a reason to live. No, I need a reason. I need to So Ron gets a letter. Ron gets a letter. Ron is very invested in this. His wife doesn't seem to care. Massy doesn't seem to care, but he is. He does. Does does Mary know about Massy receiving letters at this point? Do we know? I'm assuming they do, but I don't know for sure, Like I am, I assume. So okay. Ron is very interested though, and so Ron uh is like trying to piece this guy's actually super nice to me. He said that I'm providing for you, saying I'm doing a lot. Think of yourself. Nobody tells me to think of myself. Everybody tells me to think of everybody else. Oh yeah, I'm Mary. Okay, Well I'll tell you what. For years I have gone to my twenty four five hundred dollars sound job with kicks, and I have works provide for this house. And it's time that I start thinking for myself. You listen to me, Ron, Ronnie, you starting to who's telling you? That? Is that a thought you had? I thought you had her at the letter man? Is it the letterman talking? It's letter boy? Think for yourself, you little week spineless ron Boy. Well, I think you're a pig. Who told you that? Who said that? Who said that? I know you don't think that. That's the letter boy talk. That's the letter boy. Letter boy, which start called is written like maybe a seventh grader is doing this. It could be a seventh grader. So Ron starts trying to dig into this and figure out who's doing it. Well, uh, he is hot on the trail. Uh. The letters kind of I don't want to say stop, but they slow a little little bit, okay. And then one day Ron gets a phone call and on that phone call, it's like a lot of the same similar things that are being said to him about the letter. We don't know exactly what's said, but whatever it is, it fires him up a lot, and so he hangs up from that phone call. His daughter's home is only the only other one home, and he says, he says, I think that's the letter guy. I could tell who it was. I'm gonna go get him. And so he takes his handgun and he runs out the house. Yeah, he runs out the house, takes his handgun, gets in his truck and it's late at night and like speeds off, like peels out of the driveway and it's gone. Well, Ron never comes home that night. He ends up wrapping his car on a tree, and the corner came back and said that he had a blood alcohol content of one point one six, and they said that it was just a drunk driving accident and he crashed into a tree. Here's the thing, though, that handgun was not there. Well, it had fired, there was a round missing, and there was a casing in the car, but there was no bullet that could be accounted for. And so some people think that he got into a chase and he had fired that round when he was in that chase, and somehow in that as a result of that chase, he crashed into that tree. We don't know for sure if he was drinking that night, but it does seem a little strange because everybody in his family said he was not like a heavy drinker, and a strange that he would have just been hanging out at home and got up to a point one six just by himself, because he wasn't a heavy drinker. It wasn't like he was an alcoholic. It wasn't like he would do that. They also thought it was seemed like an alcohol like a like an alcohol driven response. It does to go I knew who that was. I'm gonna kill that guy. I'll be right back. I'm taking the gun. I'm taking the gun. Your mom's cheating on me. Do your homework. I'll be back at fifteen. It does seem like that for sure. So that's definitely that that's that's warranted. Don't do your homework so conflicted. I want you to have good grades. But also if you score a low on the scores, then he'll lose his job as a superintendent. I can destroy the life of the man who's destroying our family to lose lose situation. I don't know what I want you to do, but a lot of a lot of family said too like they did not they would not expect him to even leave his daughter home alone like that, and so they were he had to be very confident he knew who was. Yeah, they were like there, like this had to be something where he thought it was a very serious situation for him to leave or he had a point one six and his daughter's the one recounting what happened. Holds his daughter at this point right now, she would have been thirteen. If I'm a police officer and I show her a thirteen year old, here's happened. Please stop talking, Please don't play with your blocks. That does the neighbors that they heard anything. Yeah, that's a reliable account. Yeah, kids says she saw a guy stab him and run away. But you know how reliable they are. The body we found a knife that's covered in blood and fingerprints. I don't know. Thirteen year old said that we can't do it. The body said he had been drinking tonight and just crashed. Excuse me, the body, Hey, it's me the body. I've been drinking tonight, I just crashed. Yeah, throw out the testimony from the thirteen year old. I've got it from here. I think guys solved it. What coroners were they just listened to the body. He's a dead guy. Whisperer. Yeah, they'll tell the body will tell you. Why are we talking about so many dead people in our last few episodes? Why are you doing this? I'm a big fan of the dead. Okay, I don't know. You know how Google works? Dead? I know. I want you to get out of this algorithm. Do something fun. You take it out to Little Caesars again, you know? All right? Yeah, I guess I got to google Little Caesars more. It's because I've been on this diet. I haven't been eating like that. Oh I've been eating Luigibles pizzas. Okay, I have a problem. Can I convince something now? Okay? The sky key's writing me letters telling me ton I et Luigibles pizzas for lunch today, three of them, three three oh three times. I was like, yeah, dude, it comes with three of them. You ate nine Luibles pizzas. Think about that's all the same time, I'm saying, the same time, sure, this is the third time this week I've done this, three of them, So you've had twenty seven Lunchibles pizzas this week. Think about it. Do the math to him. I can't stop. I can't start doing it. I know that's a lot of it's a long of yourself. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. It's only nine hundred calories personing, so it's like better we're sitting no. One hundred cats eat. Yeah, if I go out to eat, I'm getting fourteen hundred. It's still better than going out to eat somewhere, so it's not that bad. I'm a denial I know I am. You don't have to look at me like that. I just had to get this off my chest. I can't stop doing it. They're so good. It's the last time you had a lunchables pizza. December twenty eighth, two thousand and twenty two. I remember like it was yesterday, three days after Christmas. All the chocolates are gone. I open the fridge. I go, sane, Nick, there's no leftover food. And then I see two lunchables in the back of the fridge. One a turkey and cracker sandwich kit. Yeah, and I said that tastes like crap. And then I saw the pay Now one of them was moldy. Yeah. I didn't realize that until I had already eaten half of it. And at that point I'm already. You know, once you already got half a MOLDI pizza, and it's the other the other mold. You know. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point, so we'll keep going. Okay, So they have Mary's brother in law. I guess I don't Ron's brother. No, so Mary's brother. I think I don't know if it's Mary's or Ron's sister's husband, one of their sister's husband. I guess that was an option. Yeah, that was my bad. Yeah, that was an option. So but I'm pretty I don't know. In the uh, Danny car salesman episode whatever, his last name is Carsalo whatever. Yeah, I said, oh, those are my brother in law, and you went brother in law. You know I have two brothers in law. Brothers in law? What are you talking about? Wait? When I said, when did that happen? It happened on June tenth, twenty twenty three, is when I got I got two brothers in law. Yeah, I know that. I was like, what was the the law? What was the quest? So I went, oh, you should have pictured Danny, And I was like, oh, yeah, it looks just on my brother in law. And you were like brother in law? Did I say that, Yeah, that's pretty funny. I have two brothers brother, brother in law. He's the thing in law. I what I was confused because I was thinking your brother who his wife would be your sister in law, not your brother in law. And I think that's why because I was like, I was like, what do you mean brother in law? So I was just I was confused. So her brother in law, and I think at this point, I think at this point they're it's strange. So it's like ex brother in law because him and the wife first split up. So sure, so this is getting too complicated. I know it's complicated. Paul fresh Hour is his name, and his wife, I think, but also be Mary. So maybe it's Ron's sister. He might not be married. Ron's sister's name is Mary, Ron's wife name is May, Rod's mo name is Mary. Everybody's name is how's the seventies for you? Yeah, it's true. They weren't creative, so uh. Paul is pretty upset about the way that the police handled this case because he's very confident that this was a murder and not an accident. He's like, there's no way that this happened. The way that they're saying this happened, and so he starts kind of like campaigning in the town for the police to do more about this, but they're just kind of ignoring him. All the while. The letters are continuing to hit random people in the town, okay, mentioning anything about Ron. I don't think they're mentioning Ron anymore. They're just lifting up random dirt that different people have sure saying if you don't do whatever, we're going to bring this dirty. Well, it's not like there's any gain for the person writing the letters. It does seem like they have like it's because most of the letters. I shouldn't say all of them, but most of the letters. There's kind of three themes in the letters. One, it's your your having an affair and that's not okay, and come forward about having this affair. The second thing is you're abusing a child in some way and that's not okay and you need to quit doing that. Or three and this is a little weird, but three you are getting in the way of the sheriff in town, and that's okay. And three this is a little weird, but you're getting in the way of the sheriff. What does that mean? So there's a sheriff. I don't know, I'm crazy that sounds to just say there's a sheriff. Oh, there's a sheriff in town. And whoever this person is, they really like this sheriff and they they seem to be defending them and on the side of the sheriff. That's pretty much it. Like they just they're a big fan of the sheriff. Okay. And so a lot of these letters are like, hey, you're getting in in the sheriff's way or this you need to not you need to vote for the sheriff to continue doing what they're doing. You know, stuff like that. Support your local sheriff is kind of what these letters are. It's weird, okay, Okay, So, uh, Paul is Paul is kind of campaigning against the sheriff, got it. You need to do more? Yeah, like you need to solve this case. And the Sheriff's likeff case. Yeah, he's the head of that campaign. And the letter writers like the sheriff knows what he's talking about. Uh, And so people are getting their letters. Mary doesn't receive a letter for a while. One day, Mary, on her bus route, drives around this corner and sees a sign on a fence post, and that sign is we don't know what the sign actually says, it's never been released, but apparently the sign said something about her daughter, and it was very explicit about her daughter, her and Massy, And so she pulls over and is like, I'm going to take that letter down or that signed down. So she pulls over, she goes over to take that sign down, and then she's going to pull it down. She noticed that there's a piece of twine attached to the sign. So she follows that sign and on a post right next to it, there's a box, and so she looks in that box and there's a handgun held up by a piece of styrofoam pointed out the box with the twine wrapped her on the trigger. So if shelled, it would have pulled the trigger and it would have shot her, like point blank in the head. Was where it was lined up right at where her height would have been, so it was like perfectly lined up to her height to hit her in the head if she would have pulled that sign off the off Okay, why did you do all that boring stuff first? Because the boy stuff was the first part of the story. So the police, the police find out about this and they're like, okay, this is like an They find out she told them no, she put it with all her other letters. Yeah, run is that important? Here's this and this box that was an attempted murder attempt on me. But I mean I handled it. I handled it. What do you mean to handled it? This is the height of the movement too. It's like, yeah, they don't even have the right to credit cards at this point. Actually, do you know that this is true? They like in the early seventies, they couldn't get a credit card. Serious, Yeah, women couldn't have heard that happened nineteen seventy four. Holy cat. Well no, they just got them seventies six. Yeah, so they just got credit cards. Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, she feels very empowered. I guess. Geez, that's crazy. I did not know that in that while. That is really wild. Yep. Wow. And that's why when people are like, we should just go back to the sixties, that's why a lot of women are like, I don't. I couldn't buy some I don't think we should do that. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Okay, So the ployees get this gun. Yeah, and they start investigating the first thing they noticed is that the zerial number has been scratched off of the gun of the gun, which is pretty typical. But luckily forensic pathologists they're psychopaths. So then they so they were able to figure out what the Yeah, okay, if you arrange the letters of forensic psychologists or pathologist pathologist, I mean, yeah, you could psychopath the psychopaths. Uh. They looked closer at the guns and they were like, hey, we figured out the serial number. And so I don't know, they looked under an extra or something. They were able to figure out what the serial number actually was. I don't I don't know. I don't know how they do it, but they did it, and they traced it back to a manager at the Anheuser Busch plant in Columbus, Ohio. And the manager was like, oh, yeah, I sold that to my supervisor like three months ago. And he's like, he's like, I didn't I didn't scratch the the VIN off or anything like that. I guess it's not a VIN the serial number, i'mscssed serial number off. But I sold the to one of my managers a few months ago, and they're like, like, who's your manager, and he's like Paul fresh Hour, Okay, which Paul. This is Paul. Which this first of all a very professional headshot. Yeah. I don't know if he was like an actor. This looks like right when I remember when the new iPhone cameras came out and people were posting headshots of their dads on Twitter. Yet quality, this is oh good, this is yeah, that's what this looks like. Portrait mode, That's what I'm saying, first came out. It's a very very very good shot, very good shot, no pimples at all. Maybe one maybe one guy, this guy, but he looks like he looks like an Ohio dad, you know, like a like a later forties mustache. Yep, maybe fifties. I wouldn't even tell you this picture was from the seventies. If I saw it, honestly, yeah, I'd be like that that's a guy who exists today. Yeah, that guy's here, Sure, he's here. That guy, he's here, he's here. In my Oh, that's Jesus. Scientists have put together this composite photo of what they think Jesus looks like, and it's this guy. Pretty wild it's pretty crazy. Oh wow, us so Paul. So they called Paul and they were like, hey, hey, buddy, Hey, we got your gun that was used to attempt a murder on somebody. And he's like, oh, I sold that. He was like, Ron dead run that guy. Yeah, you bought it. He called me and I was like, I was like, well you're dead and he's like, that's what you think? No, he said, he said, here's the thing he said. He said, I haven't had that gun a couple of months. He said, I haven't reported it. I know that was wrong. I shouldn't have done that, like I should have reported it stolen, and he said, but I was pretty confident my sixteen year old son sold it and I didn't want him to get in trouble for that. So I was just trying to work it out with him, just between us. And they were like, yeah, likely story, Bud, you're coming with us. And so he gets arrested. Yeah, and they bring him in for questioning, and while questioning him, they said, hey, here's one of these letters that people have been getting lately. Do you want Tom, do you mind like copying it real quick for us? And he was like sure, what do you mean punishment, like, am I is this kind of like where you like, I will not attempt murderer. I won't I wanted that's a crazy punish When you were thinking about it, you had to write like a full sentence two hundred times. That's like that's a crazy punish. Yeah, that hurts your wrist. Yeah. Yeah. So he copies the letter and uh. After he copies it, they look at it. They put him next to each other and they're like, this looks pretty similar. And he's like, well, you asked me. He'sa liked, yeah, you told me to copy it. I don't think that's a missible incord. So that's at that time I had you copy of someone's signature and you just didn't do it. You looked at you were like yeah, I could do it. You looked at it, and then you went and it looks nothing. I lie. It's like they're not gonna check. Yeah, So they it is my court documents to the Department of Justice. So they took him to court and they were like, look, how some of these are. It's his gun. That guy attempted murder, didn't he see And the court was like, yeah, I think he did it. They actually brought like thirty other of these Circleville letters to be like, this was him writing all these letters in court, but they had the only thing that they had to time to the letters was the copied letter that they asked him to copy while he was in question. Here's the thing. If police ask you questions, do not answer those questions. Yeah, okay, I'm not even this is not like this is life lessons. Okay. Police are not there to solve your crime. Yeah, right, there there to put you close their case. That's their only job. Yeah, so don't trust him. Yeah, but do tell paramedics everything you can tell them that you plead the second at any time, I plead the city is my second event. Rect to not do this. Though he doesn't do that, there's no reason, there's no way to take him court. They probably can still take him to court, but they have much less of a case. This was. This was I think that his handwriting. It's I think that that made their case for them. So they find him guilty of this attempted murder base on the letter, based on the letter. Yeah, crazy, and he also gets counts of I don't remember what the count is, but like I don't know freaking people out with a written letter on the on the charge of the charge of attempted murder. The court finds the defendant guilty on the charge of being a little weirdo and freaking out the public. The court finds the defendant guilty, so he gets a he gets a twenty seven years sentence. Oh my gosh. They lock him up. And here's what's interesting about this. He goes into jail and the letters don't stop, and so I would lose my mind. He maintains his innocence to the whole trial. Even after going into jail. He's maintaining his innocence and the letters continue being sent. So the sheriff in town calls the warden. He is now at a prison on the other end of Ohio. He's like six hours away at this prison on the other end of Ohio. Yeah. He calls the warden and he says, hey, we're still getting letters from your guy. And he's like, no, you're not. And he's like he's like, yeah, we are, and he's like look. He's like he's like, look your letters because they talked about it a little bit and he's like he's like, your letters are still postmarked. From Columbus. There's no way they're gonna get marked from Columbus. We screen everything that leaves this prison. He's like, we know what's written in these letters, and none of those letters have been have left our prison, and we only provide them with prison letterhead. And so he's like, these they cannot be coming from within the prison. And so the sheriff I don't know what happens, but he like basically appears all right, thanks, we already got a guy in jail and we're the police. Why would I open a case again when I could just mark this and salt Market done? And so moving on, he talks to the warden into moving him into solitary confinement and taking away his ability to write letters and stuff like this, and so they lock him up in solitary. This stuff makes me so irrationally angry. Oh my gosh, Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this, We've got a lot of great ones. Let me recommend a recent one. Hitchpot. Basically, some Canadian scientists said, what if we made a robot that hitchhiked across the country. You think it could make it? Spoiler alert, it's a fun I like it. A lot. You need to check it out. One of my favorite recent jokes is in there, so check that one out. But if not, thanks for being here. And the letter is continued. Would you imagine, oh yeah, this is your biggest fear, right, this is my biggest fear by far? Yeah for sure. So letters continue, people still, I would fight for you. Would you to stay in jail? I would. I would be the biggest public advocate. I know there'd be people out here with free Timstone hats, but I want you to know that I would be lock him up, lock keep locked up, locked up, locked timy? Can we locked? Can we make that? Can we have freeckdown? We have arrest Stone, lock up tim Stone. That's pretty funny. And we can see which one sells more. It's free Timstone or locked him him up? Yeah? Locked him up or free tim Stown. Yeah that's pretty good. All right, those are on the Merge store. That's great. So he uh, when does this come out? This one? I don't worry about I'll do later. I get fine, So this episode, what do you comes out? What did you want me to actually check? You said, don't worry about it, I'll do it later. Oh my gosh, no, it's okay, I'll do that. Okay, I'm looking it up. No, I want me to do you want me to do it? Now, I'll look it up. But don't tell you, Okay, now I know, Okay, you gotta guess. I'm a little scared too. Oh my gosh, that was the worst thing you've ever done. April twenty fifth. April twenty fifth, pretty close. What is it April thirtieth? Oh? So? Uh. He he's in prison, all right, the letters and he gets put in solar solitary. He's in solitary and they'll let keep coming. So the sheriff calls the warded and he's like, hey, shot ahead, kill him. Let's see what happens. Your guy keeps sending letters. And he's like literally impossible. He's like, I know for a fact he's not sending any more letters. He's like, a matter of fact, I'm gonna let him out of solitary. This is ridiculous. He's like, he's like, you got someone else out there. You need to find him. I'm gonna let him go. Now, I'm not gonna let him go, but I am going to leave the jail door open and just see what happens. Yeah, I'm gonna leave the jail door open, and I'm gonna open up our t rex exhibit that we have in the jail and just just maybe see what happened. Maybe he trades him, who knows, He comes back in town writing a t Rex ready for his vendetta with a lass. That's the whole basis of the Last Lands Festival. Yes, it's the story of the guy who came back on Anosaur and saved and saved the city, saved the city, the guy with letters. It's gonna doom doom dum boom doom doom, dum duom dum dum mum. Jud that was just stop the letters, dude, I can't imagine whatever. I just if you listen to that kind of music, No one who listens to that music listens to our podcast. There's no not a single chance. So the letters continue, and I want to highlight one of the letters that happened in this period, just because here's sho he this guy is inslitary. This is different handwriting, though, do you think? So? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. The letters are always coming on different things. And I read this one. Forget Circleville, Ohio, do nothing to hurt. Sheriff Radcliffe, Colin, if you come to Ohio, you you were trying to set me up for that one. You were trying to set me up for that one. It says if you come to Ohio, U L. Sikos will pay the circle bill writer L. S. Is one of the funniest things I've ever heard U L. S. Okay. But this is what I'm saying, is that like the original handwriting, let's could you have one of the other letters handy right now? So look, I mean, this is not those block letters a little different. It doesn't seem a little different. Look at the W and women's right. That's clearly the curve right or well, I don't know, dude, look at this because look the W in will I know you're a pig and will prove it is. The peaks changed it. And then there's a curve W down here. It looks like it looks like but it's a curve W down here as well. And then their peak. Man, they see they keep going back and forth between the peaks and the curve. I hope if they're an audio listener, you're following the writing. The writing is definitely not their their hand right. They're clearly trying to do trying to make it look like it's not. Well, I'm looking at that A on a round that looks more the style like the a's that he's using that block A and I go back to the new one. Ah, well wait, go back. So the why is what I was looking at like your and you down here see the see the why looks like a field goal post. And then yeah, field goal post post. It's very similar, but it is a little different. One person has suggested that at some point they switched to writing with their left hand. Yeah, so to make it less obvious. Yeah, but who knows. So this this letter, I just want to highlight one one. It's supporting Sheriff Radcliffe to the ALSA because it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. But while right after uh, and this person has embraced the name the Circleville writer that is signing it now that weren't signing before. That is true. Paul receives a letter while he's in prison right after he gets sentenced to solitary. You got me to read this one. Read it? Okay? Which fresh? This F is the lowercase F that's like the only lowercase fresh hour. Now when you are going, now, when are you going to believe you aren't getting out of their colon? I told you two years ago when we set them up, they stay set up. Don't you listen at all? No one wants you out, no one. The joke is on you, ha colon, Ha, Colin, tell no one of this letter. Well, you sit it to a prison that's probably not I saw the paper. Great news, great the sheriff loved it. Ha ha. Do you believe it now? Do you? So? Fresh hour fresh hour is up for parole in nineteen ninety. They're still not letting him out, even though the literal writer is sending him letters. Yeah, so fresh hours, no fresh hours up for for parole in nineteen ninety. This is crazy, And they they the parole board you're in jail because they're like, you've been writing letters and you're threatening people when we know you're trying to murder this person. Also, the person who's writing the letters is now sending them to you in jail for the thing that you're in jail for. And we know for a fact that you can't possibly be the one writing these ones anymore, but we still think it was you. Well, the parole board, here's his parole. Hearing comes because his parole is up in nineteen ninety The parole board, here's it. And they say, while you're still writing all these letters and terrorizing the public soclude, haven't learned your lessons. They deny his parole. The warden comes out to bat for him and to the parole board and says, that's nonsense. He is not writing these letters. We know for a fact that he's not writing those letters. It's impossible, and like demands that they rehear him, and they refuse, and so he gets denied his parole and he stays in for four more years. In ninety four he's finally released, which coincident. At least the the letters stop. But how long have you spent in prison from I think it was seventy eight to ninety four. Yeah, doesn't make your blood boil? Isn't that insane? He maintained his innocence throughout the entire Really, the letters continued, The letters kept going to different people. Here's what's interesting. A lot of those letters ended up years later being found out that that was whatever they were claiming was legitimate. The affairs the child there's people who were like being accused of child abuse that got convicted later, like years after the letters were sent to them, and so the stories were lining up with whoever this person was. They knew a lot of dirt on pretty much everybody in this town and they were accurate with it. Another interesting thing is remember Gordon Massey and he's the west Fall superintendent and then Mary Gilaspie. Yeah, they ended up the whole thing started from their supposed affair that they weren't actually having, but they ended up actually having an affair after bron died. Yeah, was so married. Yeah, so they ended up bonding over the whole getting threatening letters thing like can you believe these letters are talking about having an affair? That's so crazy. That's I know, it's crazy. It's crazy, pretty crazy, isn't it pretty crazy? You know this is so crazy. How many letters have you gotten? Me too? I've got them in a box too. I have a gun in a box also. Actually, I've got four letters right here l O V. That's her And he's like, I've also got four letters A R M YDY. And she's like, He's like, I don't think you know what I'm trying to do here. Shut up, and he's like, teach me that I'm basic. Sorry, I'm really strong. So so after all this happens, like a lot of this stuff comes out to be legitimate. Here's the thing, uh Uh. Paul had always maintained his innocence, and uh maintained his innocence until his death in twenty twelve. But throughout the time from his release to his death, he continued out there saying like, none of this is the JIT, and I think there's a pretty good case that it wasn't him, obviously, Like the letters continued while he was in jail. But the one of the things we noticed right off the bat from these letters is the grammar and the spelling is insane. Right, Paul has two master's degrees, and he was like a director position at Anheuser book Bush a very educated person. And I know what you're about to say, right, I know what you're saying, Bush, b U s c H. Was it a clue or was it just I'm used to spelling Bush. That's interesting. But it's constantly there's constantly the wrong, like the wrong to the wrong, there the wrong, you're wrong, the wrong to the wrong, they're the wrong, your Alex am I stupid. Yes, that's that's not how you say that word. You spell it t h E I R there. I'm in physical pain right now. I don't know if it's that word. You say that word. No, that's t h e y already, that's there. They're what's what sound is? I R make er? They're they're quit. I'm gonna freaking hurl. Anyways. See, this guy was really smart, just like me, knows how to spell and pronounce words really well. You know, it's there, I know there is there, But they're why are you doing this, Alex? Is you think or what old on? Alex? Is the air dropping me something? There? Yeah? Not do the man voice. You just chopped off. You just chopped off the air. They are it's the same thing. That's British. Yeah, that's the British pronouncing. Okay, okay, okay. So there's there's reason to believe that it wasn't him just off that sure, but the motive is interesting as well. So take it back so that we haven't talked about yet. The very reasoning of the story is he gets a divorce before any of this starts happening, and his wife had an affair with the superintendent. His wife is a bus driver at the school, and his wife loses the divorce for in terms of like she doesn't get the kids, she doesn't get the house, she doesn't get the money, like she gets nothing in the divorce. Uh, and she is writing letters. It's her brother. Ron is her brother. That's right, Ron is her brother that died. Okay wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait okay, So Ron's sister is married was married to Paul fresh Hour. Yes, so when Ron calls Paul or when the letter writer, Yeah, calls Ron, it's his sister. But are you suggesting that he would then take a gun and go kill his sister. I don't know if that's what's happening here. I don't know if that's what's happening here, because I would guess his sister is writing the letters. Then I think his sister's writing the letters. Yeah, yess what you think. I think his sister's writing the letters. But I don't know if she's doing it alone because she uses we a lot. And then she seems to really be on Sheriff Radcliffe's side. Here's the thing. Sheriff Radcliffe also leaven around Sheriff Radcliffe was up for like a city seat, like not a city seat, like a county seat at the same time. Uh. And so the theory is that she got close with Sheriff Radcliffe, she started learning a lot of dirt about a lot of people. She has dirt, Yeah, and she has like a vendetta against Paul. She starts to believe that because Paul's gun was the gun that was uh discovered, she starts to believe that Paul was the one behind the murder. Hold on, back it up. So she's not the original letter writer. Hold on, let me, let me, let me rewind this, let me rewind. Yeah, I know it is. So she she is mad at Paul because Paul won the divorce. Yes, so she starts writing letters. She starts writing letters, she gets close to the sheriff. She's trying to help the sheriff get to his position and like defend the sheriff. Okay, but she's also one of the bus drivers and she she has like the dirt on Massie. I think she's got some vendetta against Massi as well. And so she's using this against everybody that she's got an issue with in town and she's like a very clearly a very angry individual. She seals Paul's gun. She so Paul is pretty confident that his son stole the gun and set up the booby trap. Well, Paul's son in two thousand and two takes his own life, and so a lot of people have thought that he had the guilt all those years from helping his mom in this and that's what led to that. So it looks like Paul's son stole the gun. But there was a moment where one of there was a witness, one of the other bus drivers had witnessed just before Mary drove past that bus stop where or that sign and saw that sign, that there was a guy with an el Camino, a yellow el Camino, standing by that post like setting something up on that post and wouldn't let the driver see his face, Like he turned along with the car so she couldn't see his face. But she said it was a large man with like blonde curly hair. Paul is not a large man, doesn't have blonde curly hair. And so but one of do you think I did it? It wasn't me, me the whole time, whole time, and so but one of her friends was a large man with blonde, curly hair, and another one of her friends drove a yellow alchemino, And so there is some circumstantial evidence that could point to that she prevented that witness from going forward. That witness years later like told the news like, yeah, I was going to come forward and say this, but she told me not to. Uh. And when you look at the letters, like they they're very clearly like happy that he's stuck in jail and him to stay in jail, because if he's in jail, if he's in jail, custody de faults back to her for the kids, the house to faults back to everything that faults back to her God, and so she ends up winning the divorce again. So there's pretty good reason to believe that it was actually her, but we don't know for sure. Uh. Paul, on the other hand, has since started up a website that's still online called Circleville Letters dot WordPress dot com and on that the show could give him a domain, what domain does he want by Circleville letter dot com, go to I Own that kid dot com to help solve the crime of who's writing the letters. And he's got a bunch of documents on there, but one of them is a letter to the FBI he wrote, handwritten. No, it's fully typed up with all of his evidence, one hundred and sixty four pages. Holy cow, and I've skimmed this. And his his theory is that the sheriff was behind all of this and was like writing all this to help make sure all the dirt behind him and any of his constituents that would vote for him would not keeping them Yeah yeah, yeah, and what he's keeping them on his side so that way he could get voted for and so, and that's why he was put away in jail and the evidence was hardly looked at because the case of whenever Ron died is very strange too, like this whole thing. He argues a lot that they need to reopen the case of Ron's death because when Ron died, they didn't seem to care much about the fired shot. They didn't look into that at all. They also took his truck to impound and crushed it two days later. They didn't investigate anything on it, they just crushed it. And then they sent his body off that and we're like, yeah, he had a blood alcohol content, but his whole family is like, that doesn't sound right, that doesn't him. And so there's a lot of things going on that seemed like the police were in on it. Yeah, at least obstructing some stuff, if not involved in some of this at a high level. Also, like I said, I don't know how the forensic psychopaths figured out the serial number, but they did. They just automatically like, yeah, we know what this is. So they've figured some stuff out that it's like and then they keep him in prison, even though the warden himself is like, this is not him. They were like, yeah, it's him. So it seems like some dirty stuff. And then that letter that's like, once we decide you're in, you're in, you're not getting out. Yeah, And so it seems like there's some stuff on the inside. It could be his wife, it could be or it could be his ex wife, It could be the sheriff, it could be a few people, it could be could be both of them together. But at the end of the day, it could be him, could still be him. There's a lot of people who are still convinced he's trying to frame all those people. Yeah it could yeah, very well, could still be him. But it's I mean there was over a thousand letters written. They were written until he got out of jail, and then I got out. Once he got out of jail, they stopped. So but that's all we know about him. The Circleville letters might have been Paul, might have been Paul's ex wife, might have been literally who knows. I can't imagine spending sixteen years in prison with letters still coming. Yeah, I'd had to write it on my own letter, Judge Colon, Colon, let me out, or else I will make up lies about your family. Fiddle off. Hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Things on last night. If you like that episode, we also have a different one on the Watcher of six y five seven Boulevard. So it's a house that these people bought and they start receiving mysterious letters in their mailbox from someone who claims to be the Watcher of that house. It's a really creepy story. We talked about all the theories and maybe what happened, what didn't happen, what should have happened. It's a great episode that is linked somewhere in the description here somewhere around there. Also, if you want next week's episode right now you're like, man, I'm all caught up. I want more tillan. You can join us on Patreon and you'll get next week's episode ad free. You'll get in our Discord channel, a bunch of other perks. We'd love to see you there. Thanks for checking out our show. 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This episode of Things I Learned Last Night is about the mysterious Circleville Letters that terrorized the small town of Circleville, Ohio, starting in the 1970s. The letters contained damaging information and threats and were sent to hundreds of residents over nearly 20 years. The first recipient was the local high school superintendent Gordon Massie, who received a letter accusing … Read More

They Time Traveled on Accident – The Kersey Time Slip

04-23-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to the Things I Learned last night. This is a comedy podcast where we laugh a lot and learn a little. I hate us. This is terrible. Uh. Today we're talking about the Cursey time slip. Yeah, and uh, you know we get into the theories of time travel. So pretty worth it. It's great. Yeah, and speaking of travel, I'll be in Canada this week, so if you're in Alberta, not the big cities, but the small places Brooks, Alberta and Tabor, Alberta this week. I would love to see it at a show, come hang out for my show as you can go to Paul Rudtheactor dot com. All the info for that is in the description of this episode or you know, clickable somewhere around here. So thanks for being here. Let's get into the episodes. Amen, same outfits, three episodes in a row. Baby, I never changed. We're like cartoon characters. Yeah, it's like those guys did have other clothes, and it's like, well, the artists just will never know. The artists can't draw that many outfits. It's a lot of work to come up with. Yeah, that's what I liked about the show. I watched Gravity Falls. Yeah, that cartoon. Yeah, and uh, Mabel had a different sweater almost every episode. They changed. Wow, that's a lot of work, I know, change every day. I mean she wore a sweater every episode. Yeah, it was just but it was a different color and she had like a different design on the front. Interesting. Okay, so bored just loud, like, dude, when I yawned when you're talking, you see me, I close my mouth and I do the thing where I go and I do it a lot in our episodes, and I never just brazenly yawned like that. All right, let's roll the theme songs when you get this over with. I guess what is going on right now? I teck. That's the endurance of an eagle scout. You know. I got my Duran's badge for being the crab at A four fifteen. They were really bad at the show. Now these days. Things I learned last night. All right, what's the topic. Have you ever heard of the Cursey time slip? The Cursey time slip? Yeah, no, sweet Cursey, the Curtsey ties lip. Okay, So Cursey is a town. Cursey is Suffolk. You know where stuff Folk is? Yes? Where England? Hey, you're right, Yeah, Suffolk didn't. I just hated the where. I'm so mad that you would do that. Yeah, I know where it is and you go really where prove it? That's so rude. Okay, this is Cursey. Here's another shot at Cursey. Here's another shot of Cursey. It's just like, it's a cute little town. I feel your brother showed me a picture that's gonna really mess us up here. They're like, they're like they're all postcards. Yeah, yeah, it's such a a really cute little English town, small in the country. So I would move here, I think, would you? We were talking about this last night. I would move to England. I think. I don't know if I could if we did Batty here, I don't know if I could do English culture. Have you seen what they eat? I know i'd still eat I still eat Norman food. So it's nineteen fifty seven. It looks like that, but a little different because nineteen fifty seven. So it's like black and white and uh. There is a group of British boys. They're fifteen years old and they're Royal Navy cadets. I think Rozzy but for the rotc maybe Yeah, No one calls it Rozzi. Everybody calls it Roches Rozzi for Royal Navy, and so they are, which the boy Scouts are just ROTC for ROTC you know I'm talking about. Yeah, you do the boy Scout Alex talk about. And then it's like pre military for the pre it's like pre pre military, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and then you joined the pre military and then you join Yeah, it's kind of like lifeguards lifeguards. Lifeguards are pre pre med and pre med is met. I would follow that track if lifeguards are like pre paramedic. You know, can you imagine, hold on, imagine this with me. Can you imagine a scenario where lifeguards were pre pre med and pre med was pre med. You had to serve as a lifeguard first, well, but you have to serve as lifeguard, but the uniform never changed. And so it's like you got the you got the sunscreen, and you have to have a six pack ads, and you've got the red red shorts and you're running down the hospital slow with the device. Someone someone's coding out over here, and you're I like those idea lifeguards that become doctors and think that they're still supposed to be super hot in the hospital. They are still supposed to be hot. It sucks whatever, Like an overweight doctor is like, you should work out more. You should work out more. Take your advice, bro. Yeah, that's a good point. It's like you never want to get a haircut from the barber with the best haircut in the Yeah you know, yeah, because he's not Yeah that means he didn't do it. So these kids, they're pre military and they are doing their training exercises that are act sure military camp or something somewhere, and they're doing training exercises. The exercise they get is they are their their leader, their troop leader is going to drive them out. Speaking at troop leaders, I bought girl scout cookies the other day, Uh huh, this is the most condescending thing I've ever seen in my life. Went to Walmart, walked out, and the scouts was actually probably pre pre military more than boy Scouts are. These guys are learning how to tiny not its. Girl scouts are learning strategy, yeah they are actually, Yeah, they're learning how to stop a target and get them to do whatever they want. Yeah. So I'm walking out of out of Walmart and I see the girls hot cookies and I'm like I could go for some thin Min's. And so I went over and I bought some thin Min's and I paid in cash, and uh, they were like, hey, card Old, we don't do that anymore. We need to be able to track you. You're trying to get you into the database. Uh No, I paid in cash with a twenty and I think it was like six bucks or something like that. I can't remember the exact price. Yeah, but these girl scouts, like sometimes you get girl scouts that are like a five dollars bill, but these girl scouts were fourteen, Like, these were the older girl scouts. I don't girl scouts the laouts. It's not mam scouts, Alex, what is that because it's Eagle Scouts for boys. Do they have a new name for girl scouts? No? No, no, okay, you know that Eagle Scout is not based on age, right, Well, you graduated into it assaulting to our Eagle Scout. But do they do they have for girl scouts? Girl scouts? What are they? No? Because they have what are their ranks? Do you know the ranks? No? Idea? Yeah, I guess they don't associate with each other. Yeah, they're not allowed to. Well anyways, they're they're older, they're like fourteen. So I hand her the twenty and she goes and the troop leader, sitting in her camping chair yeah, is like, okay, you're gonna do twenty takeaway six? What is your change, dude? And like kids are kids are so because of COVID they cannot do well, here's what happened. Here's what happened next, she says, and the girl doesn't answer her because she's clearly like, shut up. You can see it on our face. She's like, shut your stupid mouth, like I can see it on her face. Ok. And she knows the answer. Yeah. And the leader, the trip leader, goes fourteen and she's like, I know, en hands me my change. And I was like, oh that's what was so rough. Okay, you're gonna take twenty minus six. Well the worst is she didn't say minus, she said takeaway, and that me was like, oh oh yeah. It's kind of like the only people worse than the cheerleaders are the cheerleading coaches. You know what I'm saying, Like, you realize that as an adult when you see who the coaches are, you go, oh this all makes sense now, I get it. Yeah, these girls have crippling anxiety because of you, because you're the problem. Okay, so the curses why I can't wait to coach Little League baseball? Sign up for my league this summer. If you want your kid to be just severely messed up, every every kid, I will never yell at them, that's my commitment. But I don't have to yell at them to really mess up their brain. Here's the thing. If if your kid doesn't get trauma from somewhere else, it's gonna be from you. Yeah, that's that's my parent's Just make sure you surround your kids with people who are so much worse than you that by the time the kids like I need someone safe, you're their only option. That's parenting one or one that's so messed up. So these is like, here's your mission, all right, there's a town on the other side of this would okay, Cursey, here's a compass. Find it. And then he pushes them out of the jeep and try to play in the middle of the woods and tied up. Good luck, losers. And so this group of kids, this is real. Find it. Yeah. I think there's four of them in the group, and they're just marching through the woods. They're singing songs and they're trying to find their way to Cursey, and they're they're out here all afternoon. What year is this company? Nineteen fifty seven? Right, yeah, it makes sense, And so they got their compass. They're compassing around looking for is nineteen forty three the height of the war. So we go along through the woods, jumping on stuff. I Ho hi to Cursey, we will go. We don't know where our troop leader is. High ho hi ho twenty takeaway six and you're left with fourteen. Oh no, I know, oh you know. So they're ruching through the woods. Ninety boy scouts sell. We always did like a gets some gravy breakfast fundraiser thing interesting outside the sucks. Hey morning grocery biscuits are brave, big sign, not even burning. It's seven brave. Hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it, and you're enjoying Tilling, you've been around for a little bit. I want to invite you to be a part of our patreon. We have a patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our host and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out, we get to know each other, we eat pizza. It's a blast, along with a bunch of other benefits like merch discounts, message on your birthday, like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, they get the heck out of here. Just kidding, No, we love you. Thanks for checking out Tilling Podcasts. How do they How do they get it? Though? I realized I forgot to put a ct A in mind. Oh yeah, they can text Tilling the six six eight sixty six, Thanks Jared. So they're they're marching through the woods. They're out all afternoon and then they hear it the church bells tolling, and so they're like, we must be close. They're following the sound of the church bells. Yeah, it's autumn, all right, it's an important detail. Okay, They're following the sound of the church bell and then they see they see that spire over the over the hills, the big the big church spire that. Yeah. They're like, there it is, we found it. And so they start running in. They're like, our triop leader's got to be there. He's going to be excited to see we complete the mission. They walk in, We're gonna make it truly is one hundred years old, no, they they as they come down the hill into Cursey. Uh, they they go into like a clear like with a valley. So now they can't see the tower anymore. The tower pops out of you because they go through this valley and they notice as they're walking through this valley the leaves are changing colors. So they're going from like the autumn orange to green. Like that's interesting. I guess fall hasn't hit this town yet. It's very strange, okay. And then they noticed that the clock stopped tolling, the bells stopped ringing, but it wasn't like it was complete because you know how at the end, it's like they didn't get that. They didn't get that, and so it just yes, just like that, just like that, that's exactly right in the middle of the do it just stopped. And so they're like, that's weird. The bell stopped ringing. They come into town and as they round up the next hill, they noticed that they don't see the bell tower anymore. They're like, where'd the bell tower go? Maybe it's just out of you. Maybe like maybe it's it's got a still be there, we just can't see it. But it looks like a ghost town, like a lot of the buildings were still there, like the thatched roof houses and all that stuff were still there, but they couldn't see the tower. And then it looked at the town with abandoned. So they run into the town looking for the trip leader, like we succeeded the mission. We got to get our badge right. Can't find him, can't find anybody, and so they start peeking through windows and opening doors, like trying to surprise, whoa royal davy? Can I stay here? So they're peeking through windows, and they said they peeped through one window and they look through there and they noticed there's a girl ring on the bed. And they peeked through another window and it's a boy sleeping with a dog at his feet. And they picked in their parents window and they killed both their parents, and then they just zoomed out and they woke up in the woods with a shadowy figure who said it's finished. It's finished. Yeah, that's actually exactly what I was about to say. That's Jared's nightmare. In case it's a reoccurring nightmare I had, I haven't had it in like ten years. Now. Yeah, you're going to tonight. Thanks for that. On the plane. You're gonna have it on the plane because you wake up. He's going to be standing like hands to the soda and then LEAs put your seat in the upright position. That's terrifying. We're beginning our descent now, crazy you the hat man said that to you. So they're appearing through this window, yeah, of what they thought was a house. And as they pay through the window, they notice there's cobwebs everywhere, and in the middle of the room there are three like pig carcasses that are like decayed and like covered in flies and larvae and things like that. Okay, and it's like greenish, like gang Greenie, you know, and that's very weird. And then they noticed, oh, hey, we don't feel so hot, like we feel kind of nauseous, like really dizzy, and so they're like, let's get out of here. This place is weird. We're going to head back and see if we can find the cheap Okay, So they go back into the woods, and as they get further into the woods, they start feeling a little bit better. They notice that the leaves start changing back to the autumn like orangish brownish colors that you get from leaves. And then they hear the bell pick back up. Yeah, don't like they missed no time. They walked right back into the moment where the belt was finishing. Okay, so they go back. They tell the troop leader and the troop leader they watched for six weeks trying to find them. They ended up finding the troop leader. They walk back, they find the camp. They tell the troop leader. The troop leader says, you guys are insanzy. Yeah. He's like, he's like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say. Yeah, And he said, you also failed your mission, and so I'm gonna beat the crab the fifties. You gotta do, got a T shirt. You gotta be tougher than that one. You make the other three watch because it's four of them. You gotta go to beat the crab of him. One at a time, but at a time they all got to watch it. You can't be Yeah, and because he's you know, you're tired by the last one. You're so tired. But that's the endurance of an eagle scout. Yeah, you know, I got my Durrance badge for beating the crabut four fifteen year old kids. May we're really bad at the show now these days ridiculous, all right, I keep going. So the the eagle scout, the troop leader is like, hey, like, you guys didn't complete your mission right and you came up with this stupid story to be like, oh, we found it, but it was like weird, yeah, and come on. So they they do this whole thing. They tell they tell the stories, nobody, nobody's believing them, and then they just go on with their life for about fifty years. In the nineties, there is a guy who is writing a paranormal book. Sure, one of the boys finds out about them, and you should know about our the big town. We found the big down. So he flies from Australia. He now lives in Australia back to England to tell you the story of the country too. I've never lived anywhere near that place again. So he flies back to England to tell him that I would live in Australia except for like the with my feet, I like, just stretch my feet out the same time you did, and then we make contact and I was like, oh, this is weird. So I just I just coverhanded my whole right, Sorry, I would live in Australia except for like all the monsters. Yeah, that's you're going from what weird plays to a weirder place, like straight up like the Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a tough move. So he goes back to meet this novelist. I guess sure. I don't know if his novelce he's writing fan fiction. I guess is maybe the Better Horse. Yeah, I don't know. If you could call him nonfiction. It's probably not nonfiction. It's fiction light, maybe fiction light, Okay, embellishment. So he's writing, he's writing about this stuff, and he tells him the story, and the guy's like that that'd be an interesting movie. You know when the movie starts, you know, they always like inspired by true events or whatever. It just says embellished events. That's a little bit more truthful. Yeah, yeah, we're being honest here. So this writer is like, this is an interesting story. I'm gonna see if I can corroborate some of this. So he calls the other witnesses yea, and most of the like, yeah he saw that, but he ate a bunch of mushrooms longer in the forest. He's the reason we didn't complete that issues. He's the reason I'm not a boy boy Scout anymore. We weren't even boy Scouts. But he's the reason only one of us became a man scout. Why did they not do? Why? Eagle scout? Why? Alex? Are you? Do you consider yourself like you're an eagle Scout? Right? Like you're you would go, I'm an eagle Scout? Yeah? Do you ever like does anybody ever like graduate? Like is that a thing where it's like I'm the Eagle Scouts the highest? And so you're are you still involved with the boy Scouts? Now? Could you if you wanted to? I mean I assume I could like volunteer to help a troop or something, but I've not looked into it. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things Old last night. If you like our show and you want more of it, we have plenty of other episodes. One that I enjoyed was jose Kinseako, you know, the baseball player from like the nineties and stuff. But also it's kind of an alien episode spoiler alert, so go check that out. Thanks for being here, thanks for listening, Thanks for watching. And now back to this episode. He's checking out all these people. He's trying to get their stories and their stories online up like they're telling a very consistent story. So then he goes to start to dig into Cursey a little bit and he discovers that that house, that the specific house that they were talking about. He takes that guy with him, they go and he's like, yeah, this is the house and it was just someone's house. It wasn't a butcher shop. But he goes back through the history, the annals of history, and he finds that in the thirteen hundreds it was a butcher shop, okay, And it lasted as a butcher shop till the early nineteenth century and then it was converted into just a home. And so he does some more digging and finds that that church was being built just before the plague, but it wasn't completed yet okay, And so his theory is that the boys slipped through time right into week, right after the plague. Months. Yeah, right after the plague. And it was abandoned because every the plague hit this town and everyone's like, we gotta get out of here. And that's why the meat was still hanging in the shop and the town looked abandoned because everybody who survived got out, got out of dodge, and they were feeling sick because they were getting hit, they were getting the plague. They were catching the plague, got it. And that's the that's the slip. Here's the thing, this theory. They told her story in the fifties. But there's a guy, I don't know if you've heard of him, by the name of Albert Einstein who's got theory on time. Yeah, he's got a he's got a thing called the block universe. And this is this is something that's been expanded upon today. So the idea is that time. Here's the best way we can describe this time. This is a probably a code word. You and I what's the code word? If this were to happen to me. I think it's one of those if this were to happen to you, it's one of those scenarios where it's just like, you know, if I do get abducted by aliens and I'm trying to tell you, that would be the best. I honestly be wild, all right, but I would be trying to tell people and obviously they're not gonna believe me because it's stupid. Yeah, it's a dumb idea and lyle, but I would be like, Tim, Yeah, what's their code word? Like, no, it's it's if you say the benefits if. But I would have to be like, how do you how do you pronounce? Tell me how you say it? Say it? How about our co word? Is? What's the co word? You know what I'm saying? Like, Tim, what's the code word for? Like? If this is serious? And then I'm like, oh, hey, this is serious guys. You know because I would it would happen to me. I would end up back in time. You'd be the one that would happen to That's true. It wouldn't be me. You want it to I want it too bad. It would happen to me, And then I'd be like, what the heck what is going on right now? He is this the play? Why? Hey, you guys need a mask up something bad souppening six feet six feet that's four years ago like today. Yeah, oh oh, today's the seventh that stresses me out. Okay, maybe that's why we're feeling so sad. Maybe that is, yeah, because your body does remember time slipping. If we walk outside of this building and it's COVID, I know exactly what to do. I know exactly what you put me for four years in the past. I know exactly what Amazon that's hilarious now. So the the concept is that time is a big block and what's happening is you can picture time here. Well, I'll give you this next graphic. So this is one that kind of gives the three kind of theories of this. So there's presentism or also known as naoism, where all that exists is what's happening right now. It's the present that's the only thing that actually exists. And so the way that this has been described is you imagine a piece of paper and there's a kid drawing what's happening on that piece of paper, and that's nowism. They've got that one piece of paper. Possiblism or the tree model is there's a stack of papers and the kids drawing a piece of paper and after every moment, stacks onto that the next moment of the drawing, and so you've got to stack up all the papers, and everything that's ever happened is in the stack. The current moment is the top paper on that stack, and they're just added. All this still exists. Yeah, all of that exists because it's been drawn and it's just on the stack of papers. Well that's how time works. Yeah. Yeah. Eternalism, or also known as the block universe, is all of these pages are stacked on top of each other, and you're in the middle, and you're somewhere wherever you're at, whatever you're experiencing in it, but all of it exists on top of each other concurrently at one moment, and it already exists, and all of it already exists, all of it's been determined, all of it is there. And this is this is Einstein's theory here that we're wherever we're at on that page, but all the other pages are currently existing at once. Sure, So what the theory is is that if this is true and these pages are here, theoretically there is a way for you to move between pages. If everything's happening all at once. You could slide between pages into different moments in time. Sun travel. The probably the biggest problem with this theory is space because time is moving, but space is moving too. Where quorkscrewing through the universe at millions of miles an hour all the time, right, And so if you slipped back in time, you the Earth's not there at that point in time. Yeah, it's terrifying. Yeah. So if you slipped back in time, you're in the middle of your yeah, yeah, somewhere else. So that is some questions there. So you're you would have to be jumping space and time for that to work, which is interesting. It's a flat earth and we're not moving at all. Sure that's another I could that makes us work a little bit better. Yeah, ye, sense is flat, So there's there's that speaking of flat earth. All of this is stupid. Einstein believes this, Yeah, say it, say it. I think Einstein was kind of dumb. I think he figured out one or two things and it was like that was really smart, dude, that was really smart to you. But everything else it was like throwing darts at a board and he's hitting the wall, you know, and then we praise him when he accidentally hit a bulls eye. Once We're like, that's pretty good, that was pretty good. He's like the professional darts actually everything he says, the bulls eye and objectively not. Yeah, back the camera up a little bit, show the rest of the wall, the wall. We can see there's two darts that hit the bull's eye, but there's seven thousand darts of the wall. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's I mean, I guess that's possible. Was like just watching where that was a bit where the guy was throwing darts and he's talking and then he finally he goes yes and it pans out he had one on the dark board on the wall. That was a good bit. Darts is simultaneously. Darts is simultaneously. What if a dart went through the past. What if someone you use this room as a dart room and this wall and this was the dart board, and all of a sudden they just should we hang a dartboard right here? Yeah, put a dart in the wall. And that's just our decoration, singular one decoration. Get rid of everything else. We a black wall and a dark missed not even so we gotta throw like a couple yeah, because we'll accidentally hit the board. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're really good at darts. It's gonna be hard for us to miss. All right, we can do that for that. That's kind of a cool, like, that's a cool thing. Yeah, let's put on the wall. Can you make custom? Is there a custom? Is there a vista print for dartboards? I'm sure, yeah, let's make one. Okay. Cool. Anyways, So Einstein's theory of the time block theory makes it possible that what these kids said could could have happened could have happened as long as they jump space and time. Yeah, they would have to jump space in time, which is where things get difficult, which I think in his graphic here it doesn't count for that. Yeah, there's space. Space is one block on that and all space is stacked up, and then you're here and now is that little spot on that where you're at here now is moving like this? Yeah, it's moving all over that page, And so you could maybe maybe the pages are spinning too, Maybe the pages are spinning. So every once in a while those lines, I mean, it's fun if I mean, if everything's possible, sure, yeah, I mean, I'm just saying there's a way you expect. I want to just use our imaginations. It's kind of fun to just think of a way this could work out. But here's the thing, here's what we know for sure. Though sure there is all around the globe, there are people who are sighting things in our skies that are typically ascribed to be aliens, but they're most likely us from the future coming back to get our DNA, and we're stuck in the skies. What are you talking about siding things in the sky. They're UFOs, we think we're saying, Oh, those are aliens. They're humans from the future who create devices that can time travel. So they're going back to the pages to come get our DNA because they are having problems having babies, so they need DNA, and so they're DNA so that way they can keep the human rights going forward. So that's what's happening. So because we know that's happening, I woke up, I sat down. I paid a lot of money for his podcast to exist, and you're gonna waste mine and the Watcher's time. All hail the watch uh to talk about how aliens are time travelers. Aliens are not aliens, though they're humans. They're human time travelers from the future. Okay, yeah, and they accidentally they accidentally time traveled these kids too, That's what I'm saying. How do they do they stumble? Was the location? Yeah, they went through a portal? Theory, there was like a portal. Yeah, there's a tear in the paid. Okay, there's a tear in the page, and they slipped the page. It is the whole story. No one knows exactly how this happened. Kids could have lied. Who knows. They do hold this shoe. They're old dudes now and they're like, yeah, one time this happened, and people some people believe them, some people don't. I figured out what are like code word is? What's our code laid off? Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, We've got another one, the Rendell Shim Forest. It's another group of British people who found some crazy stuff in the forest. Maybe it was these kids when they grew up. They've had a weird life. So if you like the paranormal, you like forests and British people, then you might like that episode too, The Rendal Ship Forest. But hey, I want to take a second to think our patrons. This show is not possible without them. If you want to become a patron, you can see next week's episode right now by doing that, and then you get a ton of other parts. 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In this episode of the Things I Learned Last Night Podcast, Tim and Jaron talk about the alleged Kersey Time Slip incident, where a group of British teenage boys in 1957 got lost while on a training exercise in the woods and stumbled upon what seemed to be a ghost town version of the village Kersey. The town appeared abandoned, … Read More

This Unsolved Mystery Made Tylenol Hard to Open

04-16-24

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Hey, welcome to the Things I Learned last night. This is a comedy podcast where we talk about tragic events. We were really make fun of it the whole time. No, this is tim something new every week, but this week is a tragic event. This week we learned about the Thailand all murders of in Chicago when someone it's very famous, somebody replaced capsules in the Thailand all with cyanide and that's grust so and then the theories of who did it and what the result has been from the FBI's investigation, so we get into the big story. And also, like everything you buy is sealed now obviously, so this guy, yeah or gal, that's pretty sexist. Speaking of sexism, So I am in Oklahoma City this weekend on the twenty first, I'm in Yukon, Oklahoma, and then next week i am in oh I am I have a passport and everything. I'm going to Alberta, happy and like, not the big towns. I'm going to some pretty small towns Alberta, I mean Brooks, Alberta and then Tabor, Alberta next week on the twenty fourth and twenty fifth. So if you're in Canada, what else are you doing, you know, so come hang out. We'll see you there. But this is the this is a Now we're gonna get serious. Yeah, no more fun, no jokes for this episode. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of thailandol Thailand? Yeah? Yeah, oh, I pop like six of those a day? What probably eight? I don't I think that's a lit four Celsius and twelve Thailand I have to do. Yeah for each Celsius, I have to do two Thailand. I did a counteract the Celsius. I do have to tell my wife to quit taking talent all every day. She takes it every day. She was for a little while. Yeah, that's like bad for your liver, isn't it. I was like, I was like, hey, you know, your body like builds a tolerance, and then now that's not helping you at all. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it also kills, like literally kills you. Yeah yeah, yeah, yea yeah yeah. Anyways, uh so that's what we're talking about. We're talking about we're young, gonna live forever. Yeah, it's fine. Crush up and that's how I use that's how I used for flavoring on my tacos. Yeah, get some pizza. I'm like out to eat you guys, got any talent all in this joint? I think I got some of my purse. I'll think, could you bring me those? This guy, this guy at table seven, just sprinkle tilt all over, dude, that guy has had a rough week. That is insane behavior. If you're crushing up people orange juice, that's how they don't That's like a uh, you know, a cure, like like your tin stones get real quick trike, where like just let me bring a gallon of orange juice. If you crush up some uh some thilanol or whatever, put it in there. Geez, that's what some people do. Or what's the powder? TALENTL like that. It's already start the b I don't know. Pretty great. Twelve Yeah, so much p twelve dude, you just get twelve in the street. Everyone trash your time. You know it's gotta kill you. Switched it, but not not to otherwise you'll see him see see that. The whole conversation is on the ployboard. Things I learned last night. No, so we are talking about Tilan all but not really. I mean we're just we're referencing Tyland, tylerandill adjacent this episode. Have you heard of the Chicago Tayland all murders? Oh? No, more jokes. You can't be funny anymore. All right, let's just dive right in. This one's a good one. Okay. This is a wild story, sad story, wild story, though, and we're gonna make fun of it. Nineteen eighty two. October nineteen eighty two. Okay, we need to be serious about this is a serious, serious, pretty funny. Yeah, give me like a little queue where you're like, hey, no more funny. Don't do this though. I don't think that's appropriate. I don't think like this episode we're about to talk about death. Yeah, we're about to talk about death. It's September twenty eight news. Three bodies were found in an apartment complex in Kansas City, Missouri, with a note that says chicken and pickle was fun tonight. WHOA what happened there? September twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two. Matt Mary Kellerman, twelve year old girl wakes up feeling not great, asks her parents and says, hey, I don't feel good? Can I stay home from? Oh? Oh? This is the people putting stuff in tailan al got it? Okay, she tells her parents have I'm not feeling great. I don't think I should go to school. Her dad's like, you're gonna go to school here. It takes some tilanol, and so she takes a tilan al right, and then a few minutes later, he hears the bathroom door slam shut, and so he goes to check on her and like, she's not responding, and so he opens up the door and finds her dead in the bathroom. Okay, so they obviously call Line on one, paramedics show up, They try to resuscitate, bring her to the hospital. She ends up dying the next day. No clue what happened. They're trying to they're like investigating the house, investigating maybe there's something she ate, maybe she had like sudden cardiac arrest. They do an autopsy, and they're like there's no real like evidence of like what could have happened here, you know, And so they're kind of scratching their heads at this situation. That next day, Tember twenty ninth, they're actively investigating this. This is in a suburb of Chicago. By the way, There is a guy by the name of Adam Janice whose family calls nine one one. He had very similar scenario. He just collapsed in his living room. Okay, pick him up. They try to restitate, pi him up, take him in the hospital. He dies that night at the hospital. The family obviously terrible scenario, right, they go home. This is really sad. They go home and they're like trying to gather themselves and figure out what happened and where to go from here, you know. And in the stress of it, Stanley, his younger brother, is twenty five. Stanley's younger brother is like, man, I got a headache, and so he grabs a tailan all and takes a tailan on. There his younger sisters like he had me two, and so she grabs a tailant all as well, and a few minutes later he falls to the ground and starts convulsing, and then they call nine on one. The paramedics show up, and the paramedics are like actively resuscitating him, and then she falls to the ground and starts convulsing. So the paramedics are split up, and there's four paramedics with Stanley, four paramedics with Teresa, and they ended up both passing away as well. And they this was a moment where they were like, Okay, this is things. Yeah, this is strange, and so they have a local detective starts trying to like really figure out what is the connection between these four What did all three of these people consume? Right, they had to consume something, and they ended up being able to figure out it was the tailanol and it's interesting we can touch on that later. They end up figuring out that it's the tailnyl and later that day, throughout the course of that same day, there was three other people, a Mary McFarlane, A Paula Prince, and a Mary Reiner who were thirty one, thirty five, and twenty seven who same thing. They had same symptoms, fell the ground, convulsing, showed up to the hospital and died at the hospital. And so they're the detectives are scrambling trying to figure this out. Luckily, because of the ganicis, they were able to realize it was the time and all. So they put out this like public alert, be like nobody, nobody, take time and all. And they're actually driving around town that they send up police officers around the suburbs, like through the neighborhoods with bullhorns and it's they're like throw away your toil and all really and insane thing to like just here and I don't know, well you don't hear that, you hear what am I? What is happening to? Ice creaming? And outside? You have to throw your town away. It's gonna kill your family. Hey stop, no jokes. The cops like stop it, no drivers like, bro, this is a serious thing. What are you doing? He's singing, singing? It's a cock card. Everyone trash your time. You know, it's kinda kill you switch to real, but not not to me, otherwise you'll see him. You're the driver because set the whole conversation is on the floor. They don't know how to turn it off, so it's walking the dog. Just listen to this whole thing, just like what does that throw away your tiling home anyway away? So yeah, the driving around time telling everyone's Titan. This hits the news and obviously like people are freaking out. Tilan all is killing everybody, and I think brand dealing with it. So this is interesting. So we're not keep taking it more tent we've got We've only fixes two more. Yeah, the only thing that stops it, like we have another thing called Thailand All killer and you have to take Thailand and take the tail and all killer, and it makes Thailand all not kill you instead of who kills the You know, a marketing play. It's good business, du band. I mean, so, uh, this hits the news and obviously people are freaking out about it. They're able to find that there was a specific lot number, lot number m C two eight eight zero was the one that all of them had taken, and they were like, okay, so we're going to go on the news and be like, hey, if you have lot number MC eight two eight eight zero, throw it away. Don't take it, don't touch it. It's there's something wrong with it. Why would you daminate it? Throw it away? I would want to collect it, right, I mean, I think they've got enough samples. Now that's an interesting point. I don't know. They're like, get rid of it. We'll give it to us. I don't know. I don't know. It's in the trash. Yeah, someone someone What do you think someone's going to dig through your trash and eat your tilet all? Yeah, So this is the news, and the news is like, okay, if you got this lot number, throw you're get rid of your supply. So I don't know what they I don't know if they're throwing it away. I don't know if there's a drop bucket at the library that you're supposed to take it to. I don't know what the plan is. But they're like, get rid of put it in the library, book return, Well, there's some tilet all in my books. They don't even tell the librarians. Okay, there's a lot of people are giving us a lot of tilet all to day. Oh they know. If there's one place that causes heat, it's the library. Yeah, allowed in here. So they they're telling everyone to get rid of their talentol. And meanwhile they send this the the timinol they took from the people who were killed. Ye off off to the lab to get inspected to figure out what it is. What they end up finding is that a handful of the pills, not all of them, but a handful of the pills in these bottles were this was back when and you still can get this from the prescriptions, but you can't get this over the counter anymore. The actual capsules where it's like you could open them up and so the you open it up the pattern and it wasn't time and all it was cyanide. So someone opened this up and replace it with cyanide, closed them back up and put them back on the shelves, is what was happening. So, like you said, tith and All is Johnson and Johnson is the company that I was tiring, and they've been in business forever, just like they're the leader of pain killers at this point in time. Still are yeah right the time? And all's I how do you say the generic name of tunnel? No? Oh? I seen them anything? Yeah? I all right? Jennifer Coolidge, what was that? Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you want to help us grow our show, one of the easiest and best ways to do that is to join our Patreon. It's a way for your financial to support this show and you get a lot in return. You get access to our discord channel, you get bonus content that comes out, you get exclusive merchandise, and like live Zoom hangouts where we're both just hanging out eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't support us financially. We're not pressed about it. We're not like mad, but I'll find you. So text till into six six eight sixty six to keep yourself from being found, all right, because if you don't, I will want you down. Uh No, So I always I heard someone say it like that. Yeah, like probably I don't know a few years ago, but yeah, my whole astepan I sticking by this. I think this is correct. Okay, acid menfin Okay, it's better. That's a better way to what do you say? Menafin? Like that? All right? Anyways, So Time and all owned by Johnson and Johnson. They their response was is to this day like something that's discussed in like PR courses, because it's like they've done it. They did a really good job with it. They came out and they said it was it was Procter and Gamble like those guys. They really no, I was okay, not us. No. They came out and they were like they're like, guys, this is really bad there. They uh, we're going to get to the bottle of this. Yeah. They came out and they're like, yeah, throw away all your stuff, throw away your your time and aunds but we're going to fund but you should not have any of it row away and go buy a different bottle more than no. What was interesting is the police said that was just that lot number. After a couple of weeks, they discovered a couple of other contaminated lot numbers, and so as that kind of came out at the time, it's kind of like, I don't care what the lot numbers, I'm not taking this, oh for sure. And that was kind of the public opinion, like people weren't taking this and it became such a big deal because, uh, the poison hotlines, they said they were ringing off the hook. They're like we're gonna call every five seconds of people being like I took Thailand all like two weeks ago, okay, but it was like it's like SINAID doesn't have a four week release. No, yeah, it's immediate. It was especially at the dosage that was in there. It was like an immediate thing that was happening and there's nothing to stop it. Yeah, and there was people all over the country that we're calling these poison hotlines, but this event happened only in Chicago. It was like it was like one store in Chicago that got the contamination and so but when they started realizing there was other lot numbers uh time, the Nall's response was, we're recalling all time and all. And so they went to every store and they said, throw it away, throw it in the trash. We're taking it all back, and we're not going to sell time in All anymore for a little bit while we figure this out. We're we're halting production. If you got any, get rid of it, don't take it. This is like we're we have a serious Yeah we care, you know. Wow. I mean they didn't, but they don't care. But at least it was a response from a company that was not like that. It's probably fine that happens. It's like Bluebell ice Cream when they were like, all right, we're gonna be done making ice cream for a couple of years. What are you talking about when blue Bell? You know, do you know what blue Bell is? I know what blue Bell is. Yeah, they quit making ice cream for a couple of years. Maybe not a couple of years blue Bell, Look look it up, just google. Blue Bell discontinued. I don't know. They came back in like twenty seventeen. Twenty eighteen is a big deal. Is it blue Bell or blue Bunny? Blue Bell? Because when I started Blue Bell ice Cream, discontinued, it redirected to blue Bell blue Bell ice Cream Salmonila, let's try that. Because discontinued did not give me anything. They got ordered to pay seventeen million. Yeah, and two misdemeanor counts of distributing adulterated ice cream products. That's a misdemeanor. I guess what is it? A miss oat distributed? Yeah, I got a missed the meter. Yeah, but there was like a they just quit making it for a while. I can't find me, and then I remember I remember them coming back. Well, I mean yeah, it was after the misdemeanor, and so it was after this whole lawsuit stuff. Interesting they and then it was like, we're not doing it anymore. I just remember it being because blue Bells in Midwest company, yeah thing, it's not available everywhere. Yeah, and so I remember it being a big thing when it came back. It's like, guys, they're making ice cream again. It's kind of like when Hostess went out. Yeah, and then whoever bought Hostess was like we're back, and the twinkies were not the same. Everyone was like, yeah, yeah, you've had a twinkie. Of course, I've had a twinkie. Like when recently. I don't know how time you ate a twinkie. It's been years, probably four or five years. It's been a while, probably Springfield. I I think the the only time I've eaten a twinkie is like for a youth group game. The only time, the only time, the only time in your life. And I say that as a person who was fat. Twinkies were so good, like in the prime nineties twinkies. I don't even think nineties twinkies were oh man, Yeah, No. I liked the the chocolate cream field things from Hostess Hose. Yes, I loved hose. Actually I called them hos. I don't know, ding dogs whatever, the ding dogs. Maybe that's what I was really good. Yeah, I like the chocolate cupcake thing with a little swirly thing on top. That's the cream field in the middle. That's a that's a ho ho for sure. Anyway, I liked those, but I never had to take Twinkies never caught on in the Myers household anyway. Pretty wild to me. So they they made it, They made the correct call. Yeah, as a company, it discontinued all of it, and they stopped producing it for a while, which the company would do these days. I don't believe. Yeah, they did it. We got rid of that lot number. They did an internal investigation to make sure that it wasn't happening in their lab. They also invited the FBI to do their own third party investigation, and they confirmed that it wasn't happening, because that was one of the theories, was like, oh, it's a discrownt on employee or somebody at the company who was like, we don't like Thailand all anymore. And so they were able to confirm that that wasn't the case. They ended up years later, I shouldn't say year later, months later, reproducing Thailand all and they actually changed arguably the world to the tablets instead of the capsules. Well yeah, so they did a couple of things. They changed it from capsules to caplits, so they were now the jail capsules that you can't open the right jail casings and tablets came shortly after that. But they also started doing the seals packaging, so this their triple sealed packaging is what they called it. So they had the inner foil seal. They had an outer safety seal on the top of the cap and then they put it before it was just on the shelf. Yeah, and it was just the cat unscrewed stuff. And they also added the cotton balls and so they said, if the cotton ball is if the cotton ball, the foil, the outer safety seal, or the box is tampered with, then any of those, then don't consume it. And so they was like protection that all it took was a couple of people to die, and then they were like, let's make massive changes to this. Let's change this all. There are other industries who would go, it's probably my second amend the ride to take tilent all second. Uh, And they they they launched this massive campaign that they paid for like ad campaign, being like, well, before they launched these seals, they launched a massive campaign that was that don't take talent all, and they paid for it. And then after they launched the seals, they launched this massive campaign of like here's the new seals and here's how you open them and how you're safe with them. A couple of years after this, the FDA actually passed a law they all have everyone's got to do these safety seals, whether it was any anything consumable, and so that's why, that's the reason why milk has that like pop cap on it and every like everything you use has a seal. Now, and that's this is the event that caused that the FDA followed lead on it. Wild sweeping change can happen. So let's talk about the suspects. This is the interesting part. Okay, well we've covered the that stuff. Procter and Gamble, Broder and Gamble, they said, just Proctor, Proctor said, how can we make this cost more? They did this? Uh no, So there's a guy by the name of James. How much did did that affect the price of talent? All? I mean, I'm sure it went up a little bit because the cost war saying, So I'm sure it did. I don't know exactly how much it did, but I'm sure it did. I mean, titand'll still pretty cheap. So it's not like it was that big of a deal. So uh. A few weeks after this happened, yeah, uh, Johnson and Johnson receive a letter in the mail and here, let me pull up a pull up. This letter actually from a person who's like I did it it was me. They received an advanced copy old book. Hey would you before I did it? If if it were be Johnson. Johnson gets this letter in the mail and the letter was like your typical ransom note, and it said hey you well it said it said, hey, it's really easy to replace synid with acid to menifin and your cap capture. And he says, I can do it again unless you give me a million dollars. Here's the bank account. I want you to wire it too, but they made it harder. Well, this was only a couple of weeks later. This is before all the changes after and this is this is still early enough in the investigation. This is before they like recalled all the time and all like, this is early in the process, right. So they get the letter and he's like, oh, also, don't tell the FBI. Just wire me this money. And if you tell the FBI any funny business, If you don't wire me in the money within forty eight hours, then I'm going to do lever some more. And Johnson and Johnson sees this and they said, hey, FBI, yeah, of course, good, so good on them. They were like, we can just send him a million dollars a millionhire. I know, there's got to be somebody in the office who's like, just damn well, that's what Johnson. Johnson and Johnson calls the FBI and they said, hey, he just wants to send me dollars. They're like, that's that's nothing. Bess who cares. We'll send him a million dollars. It's like a dollar. Yeah, they were like they we couldn't care less about a million dollars, and so like, we'll send it to him. And the imagine being the low paid FBI employee. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nothing to you. You just pay a million dollars. Yeah, here, let me give you a different account to send that to. We think it's this guy. This guy, I got a different number for you to send that to. And so they was like no, no, no, no, well sure, but he's got to meet us in a field and will helicopter down and give him the cash. We're going to give him the cash in person. So they said, here, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a look at that note, and I bet we can figure some stuff out. FBI, and I bet we can figure some stuff out. And so they take that note. They discover that it's note from a specific New York stationary company, and the both the letterhead that the note was on and the ink that was used was from this stationary company, which is interesting. They also found fingerprints that they matched to a guy by the name of James William Lewis, and so they found Lewis. They took him a non suspicion. So do we use people's middle name when they commit crimes? Like if I committed a crime, would I be just known as Jaron Kyler Myers. Yeah, it's if you've done something bad, it's the bad person. James William Lewis. Yes, that's exactly exactly. I doubt he's going by that. Yeah, I doubt he's going by yeah. Yeah, But that's an interesting point. Timothy James, wrong, wrong, I always mix you and your dad up. Yeah, me too, John Stone. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Uh. Speaking of future episodes, we haven't done of past episodes. We have a back catalog of well over one hundred episodes, so check those out. My current favorite is Nellie Bli. She was a journey List from the early nineteen hundreds, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy some of the things that she did. We had a lot of fun in that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately, just thanks for being here. So they get James, They pull them in and in for questioning. Yeah, they ask them all these questions. They search his house. In his house they find like a little a little chemical lab, and they find the Anarchist Cookbook. Which have you heard of that? No, it's a pretty popular book about making poison. It's fun. It's a little digital download. Gee that that's allowed. But that's what's out there. It's your second event, second right to make poison. It's technically in arms, right they you could probably get through that in court. Probably good. So he has the Anarchist Cookbook. They fingerprint left cookbook, and they did find his fingerprints on the page for cyanide. Okay, and so there's some circumstantial evidence. That's interesting. He uh, he's like, I didn't do anything. He gets they take him in for questioning and at first he's like, yes, it was me and then uh, he's like telling them all about how to make side stuff like that. Wait, actually they take him to the process, they realize they can't link anything to them, and they continue their investigation. Long story short, long story short. They can't link anythame to him. You're telling me. He's sitting here going, yeah, I did that. And they were like, got the fingerprints in the letter, we got this in your house, got a lab. You're telling us you did with sanide, You're telling us how you did it. We gotta let him go, but we don't know for sure if it was real. Well, here's the deal. They had a weird feeling about him. They're like, when you're telling me we can execute people that were like, we find out years later they didn't do it, but in the eighties they're like, this is still the eighties. Yeah, they so they could execute this guy off a spot and figure out a way to justify it. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. He lived in New York City. This was happening in Chicago. And what they know is that this with the cyanide would dissolve those capsules within forty eight hours, so you would have to see them. He would have had to like literally buy them, walk outside, put it in, and walk back in and put them on the shelf, and those people would have had to take them within forty eight hours. And so like this was something where like he had to be local doing this, and he had a pretty solid alibi to be in New York. And so even though he was claiming he did it, like it was like, yeah, I stated a motel over here, here's house in town. I have rental car reight agreement right here. I did all of it, And they're like, you live in New York. Well, here's the thing. They the FBI was sketched about him. So they continued their investigation a little further, and here's what they found. This guy did not do it. Here's how we know. The guy they did used to live in Chicago, but it was years ago him and his wife moved to New York. She got a job for that very same uh stationary company. Okay, she's working for that stationary company. And a year before this event, the stationary company falls into some financial trouble and the checks that they paid all their employees were bounced and so they didn't get paid. They took them to court. The employees took them to court over this to try to get their money. They couldn't get their money at the end of the court hearing. So this guy just he's an opportunity where he's like, I'm going to try to make us some money in this tragedy. This employee, Uh, the employees lost that case, and so the case en did. On the way out, James, furious with the owner of the company, has a few choice words with him and decides, I am going to wait for a tragedy and I'm going to write a ransom letter. Ransom letter, and he's not trying to make money off the ransom. The account number is their account number because he knows it from the check trying to get and so he's trying to frame them for the murders, is what he's doing. He's trying to frame yeah, so that that account number was the company's account number, the stationary company. So he's trying to frame the stationary company for doing the the cyanide. Okay, it turns out it's a paper company in New York. It was under miss to print. This just did a print poison poison. Seven people use code poison for twenty percent off at check out the eyes of one one. So in so they're like, yeah, it's not him, but you're going to jail for twenty years for extortion. And so he did go to jail for twenty years. Oku. He ended up serving fifteen and then got let out on promotion promotion. Promotion promotion. Yeah, I'm sticking with that promotion. Uh. And so again they're back to square one. Okay. Uh. They got a call a couple couple of weeks after the same time frame from a local UH bar owner in Melrose Park, another area in Chicago, and the bar owner said, Hey, there was this guy in my bar. His name is Roger, Roger Arnold. He's a regular, which is a name I don't know. He can't do that could click calls back when you have the right information. So for the F B I f I three, that's to be all three. So this borrowners. Like last night, Uh, there's Roger was in here and he was talking about how he's got a lot of cyanide at home and how he's like, yeah, I did, He's yeah, said sometimes I pop him into I like to put and leave them at the CBS. And he's like it seem pretty suspicious. Was like, where where does he leaves? C V c V s. It's three, put boots in the ground. We need to get out there right now. Could it have been him? This happened at a Walgreens. Thanks for your call, hanging up on leads over and over. Yeah, we don't really care calling her to confess. He's confessed for what the crimes I committed. We're not We're not looking for those. We want to figure it out on our own. That takes a lot this stuff. Don't spoil the episode. Don't spoil jeez. So they picked this guy up, they search his house. They did find in his house a bunch of illegal firearms and drugs and stuff like that, no cyanide. And they interviewed him and they asked a bunch of questions and basically determined he was just a drunk dude kind of bragging about having cyanide for some reason. This is I think it's important, so I've meant to do this. This is James Lewis. This is the guy who wrote the ransom note. Okay, so what do you think did it or didn't do it? He looks like he would have Yeah, he looks like he would have worked for a stationary company. He didn't his wife did. Oh well, he looks like he would have a plan to save his to frame his wife's company. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then this was Roger Arnold, the other guy. He looks like he would have done it. I'm saying, like, he looks pretty yeah, leave it at the common Dude, he's got what he's got those glasses that make his eyes look massive. You know when someone's got glasses on and the glasses service like, You're like, dude, you're you can tell how blind somebody is by how huge their eyes the glass. This guy cannot see a thing without those. Yeah, he thought he had Cyani, but it was just flower. He's like this, Oh, it turns out you're right, it was just flower. Officer. I've been putting that diet all capsules all over the Metro. I wonder why people aren't dying. They should have been more so they took him in for questioning. We're like, yeah, I can't be him. They did pull him in on uh uh, the firearms charges for having all their illegal firearms, and so he went to jail for a minute. That kind of suck. The he's got something slightly illegal in your house and you get framed for I know, the biggest thing happen happening in town. You didn't get framed though you were bragging about doing it in a bar like you. It's not your about having cyanide. You weren't saying you gave it to people. Yeah, here's how that conversation comes up, all right, you know, here's how it happened. Yeah, they're talking about it, and someone's like, yeah, how do you think get cyanide? And he goes, I've got cyanide? Like it's like that, and everybody have signed you signed on all the time. Yeah, what was that? What do you Yeah, I signed out in my house. Yeah, I my house. Yeah yeah, who knows. Maybe I did the maybe I did the tone all that. It is just a funny. I'm just making a funny. Yeah. But his hue so yeah, so yeah, Sinclair, the bar owner calls, you're doing like the likens subscribed if I'm trying to get thumbnails. Sorry, you can photoshop your eyes that are really freaking big, just admormally huge. There you go, there you go. All right. So he goes to jail for for the guns he owns him for, or he is in jail for a year. He gets out of jail in eighty three, and this is kind of a side you know what, I Am going to do it close. He gets out of Jones in eighty three, big grudge against that bar owner. So he goes to that bar, kills him, gets really drunk, and then has a plan, I'm going to kill Sinclair the bar owner on the way when he leaves tonight, and so he's waiting outside for him to leave, and he shoots some random guy that just happened to be at the bar. So he goes to prison for thirty years and dies and dies in prison for that. So yeah, rough, And then it just kind of imagine that you get your freedom and then you kill somebody and now you're you've served one year. Yeah yeah, which I mean I would do it a bad year. But it's like no, I mean, if you committed a crime, yeah you would now right, No, we can listen to our podcast for sure. I could not do it a year. Okay. So this this he doesn't get caught for the timelinal thing, and long story short, it kind of fizzles out and they're like, oh, we don't know who did this. We have no way to find out who did this, and so it becomes a cold case and it sits for twenty five years, and in January two thousand and nine, the Illinois FBI was like, hey, it's the twenty fifth anniversary of those murders. We're gonna celebrate out. We're gonna sell it right by discovering who did it. We're gonna celebrate. We're gonna have a parade and the Discovery Train. So we're seeing we can figure out who did this, and so they they're like, we've got some advancements in technology, maybe we can figure this out. The problem was at that time, like CCTV wasn't super common, so like it wasn't like we can have a mount of camera. Most people paid in cash, and so it's like we don't we can't track like purchases and stuff like that. And then obviously like even forensic like fingerprints and stuff like that weren't as good at the time as well, So it's like the science wasn't there. But now they've got better science. So they exhumed the body of Roger Arnold because now he's dead, and they took his femur bone for DNA testing and so they could do some DNA tests on the cyanide pills. They took some DNA from James Lewis to see if maybe it was him, and then they had this other theory that this guy you might recognize him. You know who that is? Yeah, correct, George Bush, Now that's Ted Kaczynski. He's the unibomber's yes, and the unibombers the UNI bombings started in Chicago. So they thought maybe it's him, and so they took some and he he's like, he's like, okay, guys, sure and he was like, it wasn't me. I didn't do that. I'm a bomb guy, not a poison guy. Yeah. And so they took DNA and tested it, couldn't connect it to him, couldn't connect it to you did the other guys with the DNA And basically we're like, hey, we tried, we dug into this further. We can't figure out who did this. Sure, probably will never know, which is wild because there were a handful of copycats around the United States after this. I think there was like five or six more people who were killed from Sinaide and time and all, like shortly after this event, nobody went trick or treating that year. I mean people went trick or treating, but not a lot because everyone's like, there's side in our candy. Yeah, and uh, but whoever did this is out there among us. Oh, we've never figured it out, no idea who did that? Wow? And we have no idea why. We don't know the motive. We don't know who did it. We don't know what happened to them. We don't know if they did anything else later. It might have been a one time thing. Maybe they did other stuff like this. We have no idea, but it it drastically changed the way we sell anything consumable. Ye ever sealed everything still now? So that's the Chicago tailand all murders crazy story, no answers. Wow, okay, yeah, well fiddle off. Then, hey, thanks for checking about this episode. If you liked it, we've got another one you might like, the Richmond TV Vigilante. It's another unsolved mystery, a little less murdery, a little more I found a TV on my front porch. E. It's a great story, very interesting, lots of intrigue. So check that out. 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This comedy podcast episode covers the tragic 1982 Chicago Tylenol murders, where seven people died after taking cyanide-laced Extra-Strength Tylenol capsules. In September 1982, 12-year-old Mary Kellerman died after taking Tylenol for a cold. That same day, Adam Janus died after taking Tylenol. His family members also took Tylenol and died. In total, seven people across Chicago died after ingesting … Read More

Why These Petty Scientists Blew Up Dinosaur Fossils | The Bone Wars

04-09-24

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey, thanks for checking out things. Either than last night. This is a show where we laugh a lot and learn a little. In this episode we learn about the Bone Wars, two guys from the ancient past who found a bunch of dinosaurs and we're really petty about it. Super competitive. In we were called the bone Race, the bone Race. Yeah, they're like trying to It's like the but with dinosaur bones. Yeah you are the last arrive. Yeah great. When does this episode come out? This will come out April ninth. On April ninth, Yeah great. This weekend, I am in Corona Light, Idaho. It's Cord Lane. It just it feels wrong. Cordlaine, Idaho on the thirteenth, and then in Oklahoma on the twenty first. So Oklahoma City, if you are around there, would like to see me do stand up, that's the places to do it. Or if you don't want to see me do stand up, avoid those places more away. So yeah, thanks for checking out our show and also for checking out my shows. Let's go to the Bone Wars. Hey, man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the Bone Wars? The Bone Wars Bone Wars? No, take a guess? Okay, if I had to I feel like it's junk Yard Wars, but with bones. Do you watch junk Yard warst this show where they scoured? Yeah, I'm going just chill out. I'm going to talk about it if you chill out. Okay. It's the same concept where here's you have to design a freaking pully launch thing right using excluicitly bones. But that's the problem. They don't give you the bones. You gotta go you can find them. Speaking of bones, he is now trying to move as quickly as possible to discover as much as possible to be able to ship and help litch these discoveries before o'thaniel can get to them. Thanks a different approach, he hires them a lift show okay, and he says we're gonna kill Eddie Rusty Mud. Yeah, sounds like a like a Dad Rock last night. I run a professional business like I run a professional business, right, you know we we do shows. You know this is how I make a living, all right? Not this podcast I sent from this Gosh. I wish we did know. The shows are how I make my living. I have an agent who she helps me make a living. She's im responsible for my paychecks and she casually dropped in one of our calls a couple of weeks ago, uh that she doesn't believe dinosaurs are real. She just casually said that. She was like, she's like, yeah, I'm talking to those girls at my gym, and I was I brought up. I was like, well, I mean I don't you know, obviously I don't think dinosaurs are real. And then she's kept talking and I said, you say that thing again, say that weird thing you said again, And she's like, oh, I don't believe dinosaurs are real. What's her her reasoning is? And straight up I said, what are you talking about? Did you see a thing online? Like what got you on this? She goes, well, first of all, I just looked at him, and I was like, that's not real. So so now every time i'm and there's first of all, that can't be real. Straight up, she was just like, first r what she said? Anyway? She said it was first of all, I looked at him and I was like, be for real, you be for real real. So now every time I'm in an airport that has you know a lot of airports have like uh t rex or a mamth or whatever, I always your flight, like, look at this dead thing. Yeah, nothing, and I always take a bone. I take one every time. This is true. I hope Delta doesn't listen to this, but I steal the soap from the sky Club. No, you have the whole. I mean you're supposed to use to show That's what I mean. I'm not saying I use this open. I'm like solid. No, I mean the guy take the full bottle. I've not looked up. They're like forty dollars bottles. So well, that's what I'm saying. Okay, walk me through this. I'm picturing like hotel bottles, like the little bottles they have, like you know, like the full bottle of soap. They have multiple of them. That's kind of gross to me because like everybody is using those. Yeah, but it's sky Club people. It's not the poorest, you know, like there's already a barrier of interest. This is the second shower of the day. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, yeah, I'm saying I guess that's kind of fair. I rolled the theme song before all my elite stuff. Right now, I'm a national elite. I'm working my way to global elite. This episode is gonna be great for your uh, your dinosaur Denier. This this I know, Denier. I like that we're looking at you, Denier. That's actually kind of a cool shirt that kind of goes pretty hardy Denier. So that this is about two guys, uh won by the name of Edward Drinker. Cope. This is hey, oh just happy to be there. Yeah, Edward Drinker. It looks like a second grader doing his school picture. You know, he's like, smile, but he's like insecure beat teeth, so he's like yeah yeah, and o Than Othaniel Charles Marsh Yeah, and he looks like that also looks like a second grader. Second grader dreams, gosh, man, who's O'thaniel? Stop talking about Othaniels Othaniel's name. They should make a come back to you. I was thinking that actually because call him. Oh that's not what I thought. I think you shortened that to Oath and that is hard. Okay, that's pretty cool. Hello I am Oath. Oh yeah, well, I mean you're introducing yourself that way. I might just start doing that. You can do it. You can take any name you want. You can take whatever name you want. So let's talk about each of them. Real quick. They're separate people. Two separate people. I mean, like, that's not what I mean. Obviously they're separate people. I just mean like their storylines are different. Yeah, we're looking at two stories today, or like they have pals friends. At one point they were friends. Okay, enemies. At one point there were enemies. Dude, one day we could do this. You and I will be enemies. Looking forward to that day. So Edward Drinkercope was born July twenty eighth, eighteen forty in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Okay, and check your Apple, watch it in more time. My wife is leaving and so the ring, it keeps sending me notifications. Oh my god, you need to talk about anything. My wife's leaving. Getting a lot of texts from her and the lawyer. It's like, yeah, I'm trying to talk about these bower guys occupied freaking No. The ring. The ring sends me notification when she sets the alarm. We've got a camera in the garage, so it's every time it sees her moving in the garage. And then we got a camera right outside the garage. So when to sit back. Now, it's just like so many notifications whenever she feels like she's late for work. She is a p D day today. Oh yeah, my wife has that today too, She's got more students. It's crazy. Okay. Anyways, schools, schools, dudes, That's probably why there was so many kids of Chick fil Ever today I was wondering. I went to Chick fil A this morning and there was like a bunch of high schoolers around, and I was like, why are you here out? We made a building for you. We said, we don't want you in public. We've prepared a place for you where the streets or gold. These streets still look gold. This is Nola. Shut up. We built it in the nineties. It was gold. Then it's worn down. Now it's kind of like brass turning green, like the sky Club is cold. All right, So his family, his family was very well, sorry, we're talking about the first guy or second guy, Cope, Edward Drinker, cokest guy. I'm happy to be there. He was born to a wealthy family and he was kind of like a child prodigy. He very quickly was like excelling through the ranks in school, and at nineteen he published his first scientific paper. Didn't go like again in the eighteen forties. You only lived to be twenty seven. So I saw something recently that said that that idea isn't true. Okay, well I'm lying you just so quickly we're talking about a new information comes I accept that I was wrong, and I go, okay, let me, let me explain why the live span was about the same, but the average was like twenty seven twenty yeight because so many people died, like, so many infants died. So many people didn't make it past the first year. Oh that's interesting, so exkews the numbers. But the once you made it past baby like, most people made it pretty far. Oh okay, I mean I knew old people existed. I just thought that they were so rare. Everyone's like, oh, what's that. I look at that and I think that's not real? Yeah no, I yeah. Interesting. Anyways, we built a building for the old people too, didn't we. There's really middle aged people kind of there. They suck rule of society. Huh Hey, we're coming up on that. We're getting close to being buddy words. We're there. You're having a midlife of rices. We're there. We're fully golfing. You bought a guitar, has never heard Man, I'm turning thirty in a couple of months. Are you scared about it? No? Me and my guitar, My guitar is sailing to our thirties. Due all right, I'm playing roller coaster taccoon. We A lot of stuff's different right now. Man, it's interesting, all right. Well, anyways, we're gonna be We're gonna be the bones one day. And when you think about it, you were thinking about we are the boat. So O'Malley or whatever his name is, Neil, we're not ready for word. We're talking about Edward Drinker Cope. Okay, Cope, not Coke. Yes, Edward Drinker Cope writes his first scientific paper at nineteen yeah, and he's like a like a prodigy. But it's like that was still like a young thing to do then, yeah, and like they still had college, you know, but he was just like I don't need that because he's rich. And so he instead of going to college, just goes to become a professor and starts teaching science at some school. He obviously like wasn't very well educated, but he was intelligent, like just naturally pretty intelligent, and he had the money to kind of sneak his way into some stuff. Sure, So he got a job teaching. Also got a job prospecting, which seems like, no, it's a job, I get it. Yeah, it's fair. I'm the prospector. He was into neo Lamarckism. Have you heard of that? Uh, yeah, my family tried that for a bit before the Baptists. Neol Lamarckism, Lamarckism. Yeah, I don't know what that is. So this was the idea that parents could pass on traits to kids that weren't like physical traits. If if I'm a doctor, so now my kid knows everything I know, not necessarily knows everything I know, but it's like your kid's going to be a doctor. Or like, if you're a healthy person that cares a lot about their fitness, your kid's gonna also inherit that. But it's not a nurture thing. It's like a it's a nature thing. Oh sure, Neil, It's it's kind of a twist where it's like, I mean, this does naturally just kind of happen, but it's more of a nurture thing. They believe this is like that that's ingrained within your DNA once you pick that up. Okay, so me picking up guitar means your kids, My kids are going to get into guitar. Does your dad play? No? No? Yeah, why are you trying to force it? Then it's not not in your DNA, it's not who you are. Okay, fine, Othaniel, I'm not sure how to pronounce is it Othaniel or oth Neils? Neil Oath? I like Oath better. You're right, I should just call them both. Oath was born on October twenty ninth, eighteen thirty one, so like nine years older than Coche in Lockport, New York. And he was not in a wealthy family, a very what you call not sky Miles family. Sky. Yeah, it's so important. But he was highly educated. And the reason he was able to be highly educated was because and he inherited it from his dad, was because of this guy. This guy was the neighborhood creep who ed James Buchanan. Uh, wow, that doesn't look like James. I'm gonna be honest with you. You could have showed any guy from like that, like James Buchanan. Who is this guy? This is George Peabody, not the Peabody you're thinking of, but another famous Peabody. He was very wealthy. He was a financier. What's with the Peabody Hotel? Uh, that's like a famous hotel. Yeah, and what is that they have the ducks? You about the hotel that has the ducks with the elevator You know what I'm talking about? What hotel has elevator ducks? Elevator ducks. That's the weirdest thing I ever googled. It is the Peabody. Yeah, body ducks do not have individual names. You know what have you heard of this? The Peabody Ducks. No, I'll do an episode. Okay, clo closer, I'll do a whole hour, a whole hour on the Peabody. No jokes, no type of jokes. We're going to talk about the ducks. Is episode we've ever done? The Peabody Hotel Ducks. It's in Memphis, Tennessee. Yes, we should go. That's not far. I got a couple of shows in Memphis. Your birthday weekend birthday in mean Field. You should you should know? That's yeah, are you joking? That's why you can't play zz thing like that seems like learn guitars going out on the Beal Street and then I could try Look, there's another guy tries. Some guy trying and public what's worse than drag in Nashville Dragon, That's true. So Peabody was a wealthy financier and was an Oath's uncle, and he said, hey, Oath, like you, I think by looking at you got what it takes to be a smart guy. And so he's like, I want to pay for you to go to college. Also, I'm going to build a museum, and I would like when you graduated college to run the museum, okay, And he's like, that's a lot of pressure, and so he sends him to college, ends up going great, gets a job out out of college to be a professor at Yale. Very highly educated and intelligent guy, and then later on becomes the president of the National Academy of Sciences. This guy is a lot different than Cope though see Cope obviously neo Lamarckism kind of a crazy idea. Cope was a creationist. Cope was a theorist four thousand years old. Like he was one of those guys. Oh. Oath was a natural selection yeah, evolution a super old kind of guy. But regardless, they met in uh in Berlin in eighteen sixty four while they were on a science field trip and they hit it off and McDonald's after their trip. Yeah, they were drinking their capri sons and eating their pbnj's that their moms packed them thirty seven and at that time, that's like that's like six because of the age top. Yeah. Yeah, then you're you're gonna be really old. Yeah yeah, that's you know, so they lived longer back. Yeah. So these guys hit it off. They become good friends. Uh, and they spent like the next four days together in Berlin and science stuff together. And it's kind of kind of like picture like picture the uh, like a like a like an indie film montage. Yeah, they're running around Berlin. Yeah, they're stealing, stealing stuff, flying kites. Yeah, well wind wind, it's just a theory. It's not a fact. It's not we don't know for sure. I don't know God's breath. Uh. They're like lighting a potato and they're doing mentos and diegope, you know. Yeah, and then they're like getting covered in it and they're like high five. Yeah yeah, you know. It's really heartwarming and they they were friends for years after this. They ended up naming species after each other, which this is I think I'm getting ahead of myself by saying that. But they named some species after each other that they discovered. They discovered they discovered some species, and they named them after each other, and they started going on expeditions together, making discoveries in the worlds. Yeah, they were good pals and uh pie one day, one day something changed, and here's I'm going to do. So I'm gonna do an exercise real quick. Actually, before we get too far, I want to pull this picture back up. We've got an Oath and Eddie. Yeah, I want us as a group to decide who do we think of these two is going to win the Bone Wars, which we don't have contact on what this is. I think you can probably guess. But who of Eddie and Oath do you think is going to win the Bone Wars? Scrappy guy? This guy Eddie? Yeah, you think Eddie's gonna win? Yeah, scrappy. He does look like a He does look like the kind of guy where like you get in a fight and he's like underneath is Uh. You know, they obviously uncovered some kind of well I mean, my agent would say they didn't do any of this, but uh, they've uncovered like a dinosaur. Yeah. Right, and now it's a race to whatever and it's whoever gets to name it. Yeah, yeah, that's so good theory. Actually, I'm gonna go Ofthaniel. I think yeah, I think he discovered bones in the feet and now we call it or orthopedic. I think that's what's named after. They accidentally added an R. Yeah, they're like, oh, oops, oops another R oopsops. I don't know, man, he's got a list my votes on the Scrappy Guy gonna. Hey, how about you put it down in the comments oath or Eddie and you can't. You can't do it at the end. You have to do it right now and just put oath or Eddie. That's just the commonscribe. Shut up. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you want to help us grow our show, one of the easiest and best ways to do that is a join our Patreon. It's a way for your financial to support this show and you get a lot in return. You get access to our discord channel, you get bonus content that comes out, you get exclusive merchandise, and like live Zoom hangouts where we're both just hanging out, eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't supports financially, we're not pressed about it. We're not like mad. But I'll find you. So text till into six six eight sixty six to keep yourself from being found, all right, because if you don't, I will want you down all right. Anyways, So as as you might have picked up by now, these guys are paleontologists. I don't know if I've said that yet, And so they only eat fish. Yeah, they also another side part that a lot of people don't realize about paleontologists. They only eat fish, but they also like to dig up dinosaur bones. A lot of people don't talk about that part. Ones like, oh, it's just a fun diet. This is a good episode for my for my denying. You got to dig up the bones too. I used to call her friend. I didn't know what to call her just then denying. I used to call her friend. But yeah, like employee, she's on payroll. I'm gonna tell her. Hey, go listen to the episode for the first time in your life. So they started going all these expeditions together, making discoveries. Yeah, finding dinosaurs. This is early early dinosaur era. Yeah, not a lot of not a lot of dinosaurs have been discovered yet. This is like the mid eighteen hundreds. This is interesting then, because Eddie is a is he really like your creationists? Like he thinks, Okay, so he's gonna say that this thing didn't make the arc. Yeah, yeah, that's his belief. That's his belief. That's his belief. Okay, Oath disagrees with him, but there's still like it was all the arc was like, yeah, of course Noll brought the t rex on the arch kidding me. Uh. So they start making all these discoveries together, going on these expeditions, and then one day they went on a trip to a marl pit in New Jersey. What a Marl pit? It's basically like crusty mud from a million years ago. Rusty mud. Yeah, sounds like a like a dad rock band. Yeah we should we were crusty Mud. Alex do some like chugs, you know, yeah yeah, yeah, that'd be sick. So Cope had discovered this pit, and I promise you if you do a stupid. Like, if you learn guitar, you know, and then you join like a dad band, I'll just take you out. I mean, I'll make you disappear. I mean, I'm gonna skew screw the data. I'm saying that, like, I will do that for you. Don't appreciate that. I appreciate that. I won't. I will not let myself or your kids go to my dad's doing a rock concert at the the coffee shop. No, their garage. Yeah, my dad's doing a block party, yeah, rog Yeah, unless it's cool, there's gonna be brats. Yeah. Now there is a certain age though, where that crosses into like that's pretty sick. That is. Yeah, if you're like eighty and you're like, guys, we're gonna do a garage show, and you do that, pretty sick, pretty sick. You're right, you're right, sweet, So I'll just wait. I'll spend the next fifty getting really good at guitar. I'm not going to make it to eight, right, you're right. Well, i'll be the youngest guy, the bad that'll give you join a band of eighty year olds and I'll be thirty three. Yeah, and I'm like that guy looks younger than everyone else, but he is bald, so I don't know, called the grand dads. That's pretty sick. Anyways, they go to this marl pit and there, I don't think you should be in an old people band called Crusty Mud. I don't know if that's that's I mean, if all the olds are happy with it, if they likes all right, okay, So they went to this moral pit. Cope found this one. There was an operator that he was like, and I believe the operator is kind of like the landowner who was like, it'd be cool if you dug up this pit. And so they went. They started digging around trying to find some bones. They didn't find any bones on this trip, but the operator was going to continue digging because he was like, maybe there's some cool bones and stuff in there. And they were like, yeah, if you find some stuff, sent it to us. Were the scientists, we can science them. And marsh on the way out, pulls the operator aside. They're walking out. Cope continues walking. He's like, go start the car and he's like, what the heck is a car? All right? Go heat up the horse? The horse like, it's like, do it. So he pulls the operator to the side and he's like, hey, bones, if you're finding bones, send them to me, don't send them to Eddie, send them to Okay, so we starts undercutting them. Yeah, and so this, uh put a little rift in the relationship. It wasn't a big one yet, but it does start to start this yeah, and Eddie. Eddie finds out about this, and Eddie's like hurt. He's like, he's like, what are you You're sciencing without me? Like you want to do this on your own? Yeah, Like, dude, this is my pit. Yeah, I found this pit and you're going to try to undercut me on this. You're gonna this is my pit, and you're gonna maneuver around me. This is my pit, and you're gonna smear deal it all. It was a bad joke, but my brain and I tried to leave and I couldn't. I couldn't not no more jokes. We tried. This is the morning one many podcast. This is serious podcast from that one. No more, Sorry for that, guys. So then the Dinosaur Rush begins, okay, which is like the gold rush is berthed out of the gold rush. All the gold guys, we're trying to get their gold. And then they happened upon these bones. They're like, which one of you murdered a really big guy? And then they were like, oh wait, these might be Dino's and so they're like, we should call some science guys, and so all the science guys went out west and they started digging. They're like, oh, yeah, there are bones here. There's a lot of them. Most of them are like Utah Idaho up in that because that's where the flood happened. The never mind, they jokes, sorry, sorry, might be might be so might be, no jokes, I apologize. I was highed for myself. Okay, keep going funny. So they begin traveling out west and doing digs out west. Cokind of connections in DC because he's rich, you know, yeah, and so he pulls his connections in DC to get added to the US Geological Survey under a guy named Ferdinand Hayden. And Ferdinand Hayden was also a name that should come back Ferdy. Yeah, that's cool, that's cool, dy kind of cool. Hey, no jokes, No, it's not a joke. I'm like Ferdinand Meyers and Verdi Erdy what what what? What names is bree have picked for your kids. I can't say they're surprises for who for everybody. We're gonna say them, but everyone's gonna be like, wait, are you serious? Yeah, we've got you got coming, but you're not gonna tell me we jumping off the podcast. Well, we've got four her names. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Actually, though we picked these out when we're dating, Like, we haven't talked about this in seven years, so I don't know if like we're still locked on those. I'm still okay with them, but I don't know if she's still like you, Duke Dean, you shouldn't be okay with that. Charlotte. Oh dang, we were gonna name a kid Charlotte. What are you? Yeah? I said, just in case we should both well have a boy named Charlotte. We're gonna be you do it, but I'm gonna call her Charles, my dad. That's like the joke. A daughter named Charlotte, but I call her Charles. That's kind of cool, my dad. I'm sure that will create issues problems. Were totally fine, little and like, she'll have my broad shoulders. Dude, it's so she's go to college on the shot put tell you that we talked about all the time. My wife is like a little bird and I am like a giant dinosaur that may or may not exist. That's not real, be for real. Yeah, So we're either going to have just a very like modelesque daughter or a daughter who is like freaking what's that? What don't say huge about my daughter? All she's gonna listen to this one day. Yeah stop water polo is what I was thinking. Oh, yeah, jacked those girls are They are jacked. They are ripped. What if not ripped, they're like freaking they are their arms are masked. It is not the right word. Yeah. There, she's gonna win the countywool. She's gonna win the county fairly, you know. I he's in the video of that girl in the in like the David Busters doing that and the kid runs by like right at The kid doesn't lose a step at all, just freaking. That's the power of children. Why they can't feel pain? So anyway unless they get cool name. So Ferdinand is a cool name. So Ferdinand Hayden, he's a geologist. Yeah he was an imposter. This guy's not an imposter. He is a he's a rock guy. And so he likes looking at rocks, and so he's a part of the survey to look at all the rocks and tell you what they did. This rock probably sat here for like a million years, That's what he said. And so but Hayden, as a part of digging rocks up, sometimes would find Tinnis bones. Okay, So he had a guy by the name of Joseph Leedy. Joseph Leedy was a professor at another university who Cope actually, like, I don't want to say apprenticed under this too strong of a word, because he wasn't educated. But he did do some work under him, like goings to some digs and learned some things from Leady early in his career. And so Leady and Cope kind of have some history. Leady Leady is uh like the it's the closest relationship Cope has in his life to like a Jedi and a Padawan. Jeez, that stressed me out. Yeah, and I hate you for it. Just so you know, could chronicles in Narnia reference It's the closest thing to an Aslan and literally any other character. Uh, could you do a Bible reference? It's the closest thing to uh, that's a good question. Jesus literally probably Paul and Barnabas well, well, actually that's actually that actually works there you go, Okay, So no, because Paul and Barnabas they had the breakup. It's true, Joseph. Joseph was getting all the bones Todd Todd, Eddie some stuff. Not all. It's not like the money. Oh I was. I was just looking at the thing last night about like the most a memorable things, and so it was like, this show only has eighteen episodes and its memes are everywhere. Yeah yeah, I think so good. I think they wrote it that way. Oh yeah for sure, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So Joseph had this deal with Ferdinand, you're gonna send me all your bones. Cope goes on the trip and now Cope is just taking the bones and Ferdinand is like, well, I mean you're part of the survey. Now, it's like you're this is what you're here for, So like you get the bones. So like he's talking to Joseph on the phone and Joseph is like, bro, like what's going on in here? And He's liked, well, we got a bone guy, Now like I can't send of the bones. We got a bone guy on the trip with us, So what am I supposed to do? Take the bones from the bone guy? And so the bone boy, we got a bone boy. Yeah, he's not a guy yet. He's too young. You can't call the guy yet. Cope is on this yeah, dig trip tour. They're going to a bunch of different places with Hayden and Leady's upset. Leady's very hurt. I don't know if heard the story word angry. And so Leady and Hayden kind of get together and Hayden. Hayden's a little annoyed too, because he's like, he didn't make this decision. He's like just some some big wig in DC was like, now you got a bone guy. And he's but I had a bone guy but he didn't come. But yeah, you know, And so they set up a plan for him to go to Wyoming, for them all to go to Wyoming to this dig site where there was supposed to be when they run most of the dinosaurs stuff is. They're along the Rockies. The Colorado's got a lot, Wyoming's got a lot, Utah has got a lot, Like it's all that air. Yeah, that side of the country's got a lot, But I don't think that's I don't think you could say most. I think this, well, maybe it is most, there's a lot. I don't know. I don't know where are the are there's dinosaurs other places? Right? Yeah, it's not just there, No, I mean like other continents. Right. Oh, yes, I think so there's dinosaurs on every continent, right, I think so, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, because that's the only thing that would make me be like, maybe my agent is right. Well, I'm not gonna lie when you hear more of the story. Okay, So, uh, they had this trip to Wyoming, and what they do on all their trips is they go on the trip, the two of them. They arrive and then there is contractor they telegrammed yeah that they telegrammed ahead. Leedy is not going, so Fred and Eddie and Eddie. So they go on this trip and and what uh, typically they would do is they would arrive at the dig site and they would have telegrammed ahead and hired a bunch of contractors dig to be the dig guys. And so they show up expecting like carts and tools and shovels and people to help them, and there's nothing there, and Eddie is there by himself. Eddie or Ferdinand doesn't show up, and he's like, oh, I got the wool pulled over my eyes and I've been tricked. I'm here at the dig site alone. Okay. So he says, you know what, good news though, I'm rich. And so he goes into town and he puts together his own ragtag team of dig people to start digging through this dig site, all on his own. And this is when things went from a little fractured between him and Oath to like, we got a problem because he goes into this town and unbeknownst to Eddie, Eddie doesn't know what's happening. He just goes into town and finds some people who were looking for work and hires them. Well, two of these people just happened to be people who are on Marsh's Dictine oath Stick team. Okay, and so Oath finds out about this, and Oath is really upset. He's like, he's like, you're hiring my people to dig your stuff. And he's like, well, first of all, we're on the same team here. We're finding dinosaurs like wild. Second of all, it's just a dude, I like that idea. That was a part of the That was a part of the montage. They went to a screen printing place and like, he's still wearing his cope. Cope hasn't taken his office. He's gained a lot of weight, so it's like it's so tight. Yeah, and and Oath has donated it. Yeah, He's like, yeah, yeah, we are yeah closet. He sees some kid walking down the street wearing it and he's like, where did you get that? Kill that kid? Kill that kid? And he's like, you I iRED you. You're I'm your boss. You have to do what I tell you. And he's like, I'm not gonna do that. No, do you want to get paid? I guess I guess I got the posis all right. So Marsh was furious. Oath was really really upset. Yeah, and so he he uh calls up his employees and he's like, what the heck are you doing working for Eddie? And he's like, first of all, we thought you guys were friends. Second of all, we were trying to infiltrate his rags sure and find his secrets and deliver his secrets to you and sabotage his plans, and Oath was like, no, you weren't. You're lying to me right now. And so this was kind of the turning point that began the Bone Wars. Okay, and so in eighteen seventy two, the relationship between Eddie and Earth had completely soured. There's no going back from this, right, They're not friends anymore. And so the two of them and then Leady also Joseph Leedy, is all over the West and they are all traveling around finding dinosaurs and ancient mammal bones and discovering them for the first time, naming them, and they're they're having a lot of success. Cope and marsh are two main characters. They discovered the Brontosaurus, the stegosaurus, the all the sources, the triceratops. Those are like three of the most noteworthy ones that you would would know. I wouldn't give me what I would to know. We're running out of time, No, we're not. We've got plenty of time here. Cope one day he discovers a marine dinosaur. And when he discovers this dinosaur, he's looking at it and he's trying to put the bones together, because that's part of what they do they find a pile of bones. They got to figure out how do these bones work? And so they stick them all together like it's like a puzzle, right. And so he's looking at this and he says, this dinosaur. This here, here's a picture of it. He looks at it and he says, this most fish skeleton. What happens with them is you see there's the long side is usually their tail. Yeah, And so he organized it this way where the head was on the short side of this skeleton. He publishes this, and then marsh sees it and he says, something's wrong here. And he says, I think I can tell. I can tell immediately something's wrong here. So he says the long side is actually the head and the short side is the tail. And so he switches it and he publishes this and says, Eddie Cope is an idiot. Look what he did. He put the tail the head on the tail. What a knitwet. That's exactly an exact quote. And uh, this one doesn't look real to me. You don't think this is real? No, I mean I look at it, I'm like, what could that be? Ready? For real? I just use my eyes first of all, I mean, first of all, I looked at it and that's not real. Come on, hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things I Learned last night. If you're here and you're a little shocked because you've been watching ASMR videos all night and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick and join back in the ASMR. One thing that would help us a lot, and the algorithm is if you left some comments or some reviews if you're on the podcast app. We'd really appreciate that and it would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. But if not, and you're just here trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. But here's another advertisement. And so this permanently affected Edward Cope's credibility. Yeah, people were immediately like, oh, yeah, this guy didn't go to college and he's here and we're ascribing a bunch of archaeological finds to him, being like, yeah, he's finding all these dinosaurs. But this guy doesn't know what he's doing. And this other guy O'thaniel. He's a professor at Yale, and the professor at Yale he believes in science. This other guy believes in Neo Larkin Lark is in the Neo kin Marks Neil Lincoln logger uh. And so he Eddie is now in this situation where he's like, I have this like lapse in my credibility. He is now trying to move as quickly as possible to discover as much as possible, to be able to ship and publish these discoveries before o'thaniel can get to them, right. And so he is almost weekly sending out telegrams from things he's digging up. And when you rush your work, you do bad work. Episodes are terrible. Othaniel takes a different approach o'thaniel. I'm just gonna wait to see what he puts out, and just the body be like, yeah, this guy's dumb. Othanel takes a different approach. He hires a militia, okay, and he says, we're gonna kill Eddie. No, he hires this militia, and he says, if we take this militia, and this is I want to be clear, not great. If we take this militia into because this is this is the eighteen hundreds. The United States doesn't own a lot of this land, yet this is still happening. And so and we go into suite territory. We can with our militia create agreements with the native tribes. And here he is on a photo shoot with a tribal leader creating agreements where they would show them where all the bones were. And so he kind of found like a cheat code to discocrat these a little bit quicker. And so she's got these guides guiding him through to find the location of all these bones. And then he then has one further good idea. He says, wait, instead of instead of going to find all these digs, He's like, I don't have to go. He's like, He's like, let me just hire people and send them and then they can send them back to me. So he ends up with a team of four hundred and eighty Holy count across the west on all these dicks, being led by native tribal leaders who know the land, like guides who are giving them through all these places, and he is finding stuff left and right, and Cope is getting frustrated because Cope like every time he shows up, Oath had already got there. Yeah, And they both had adopted this practice of if the other one was there, it's theirs. No. Very opposite the idea was the practice they had adopted was kind of like a side Oh you work for that guy, kill that guy. It was kind of like a scorched earth policy. So basically they would do the dig and then they would blow it up after they got everything they wanted. So if they they they would dig as much as they could, then there would be bones left over and they would be like, I don't want the other guy to get it, so I'm going to put a bunch of TNT in this pit and blow it all up. And so if I can't have it, no one can. Cool And so Joseph is that feels pretty I just hate sometimes I hate humans in that way where it's just like, all right, well you just destroyed so much history, yeah, and our ability to science than they got a win. So the uh COPE is starting to kind of lose a lot of ground to Marsh because Marsh's got a lot more resources than him at this point, and Cope is blown through cash trying to do all this. So he actually starts a company that's like prospecting silver on the side. So like every time he would show up, he'd have his prospectors. He'd be like, go find some silver and they'd be like, I don't think it really works that way, and he's like, it works that way, It works that way. Yeah, So they were finding just a bunch of rocks. He's like, look at silver, and then he try to sell and they're like, that's not silver. And then they'd be like, don't ever come to my pond shop again. Okay, And so the best I can do is twenty six heads, And so Cope starts sending in all these like incomplete fossils and bones that were incorrectly put together. Yeah, and interestingly, and I don't know why this was such a big deal, uh bones or new dinosaurs that he named wrong. And I don't understand like a name wrong, like that name wrong. This is an actual quote from an argot Charlotte wrong. It's a wrong name. So this is actually, tell your names, by the way, I'm going to steal all of them. They This is an actual quote from like the Smithsonian about it. It says, as it turned out, many of Marsh's names were valid, while none of Copes were. I don't know what that means. What that means. I think it's because like they have like the the like genus and family that they named them in and so I think there was like an actual like convention that these people were following naming stuff. I think, I don't really know what that means. But this further humiliates Cope, Like he's getting really frustrated about the really the fact that he's in this field that he's interested in but doesn't know enough about to really like be proficient. And I guess sure, so he starts arguing for a new plan of classification that would discard all of Marsh's names and make all of Marsh's names wrong and instead make all of his names correct. And it's like, but what if we named a different then all of mine would be correct and all of his would be wrong. And everyone's like, yeah, that's if we change, and so uh, this got to a situation where it was just constant blowing up of bones, arguing with each each other, discrediting each other's fines, shipping in new bones, and trying to see who could could find the most stuff. And it got to such a heated point where they were publishing so much Cope Cope. If the Bone Wars were who could publish more scientific articles, it would be Cope. He published fourteen hundred articles in his life. Wow. But it got to the point where every scientific journal of the day banned both of them from publishing articles because they were like, you guys, you guys are just competing with each other and you're not actually looking for real science. Yeah. They were like, you're doing too much and all your articles are so annoying and whiny and we're tired of reading them. All your names are dumb, All of your names are dumb. Yeah, that's pretty much what their articles are. Like. They would they would immediately write a response article to each other, and then they would write a response to the response and or response to the response, and it was like, this is just it was like a Facebook common battle. Yeah in the eighteen in the scientific hundreds. Yeah, and they get banned from these scientific journals because of it. We're not going to know, I'm not going to And that's where it needs to go. We need to have somebody approving your Facebook comments, you know what I'm saying. And you know what, that would be a good system for social media. Anybody, just somebody else has to either approve or deny your comment. Literally anybody, literally, anybody. Yeah, that's actually pretty good. Yeah, you type it and then someone can go this does not need to be on the internet. This should go away. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. I mean it's somebody's job to watch all the stuff that's on the Internet that's like, this shouldn't be here, this shouldn't be here. I don't know if I would say, watch, there's there's an algorithm that delivers some that flags some stuff. And then someone says, and then someone gets to the side that's what I'm saying. Someone doesn't mean I guess you. I guess yeah. At some point there's somebody's job who's like, I'm not watching it. I'm the manual review guy. Yeah, I guess that's true. We should, we should, we should get flagged by the YouTube stuff and just send them a little just say little hey, Hey, we're trying to get published in a scientific journal. YouTube short that was just like vaccines cause autism. Hey, now that you're here, I just want to say thank you so much for the work you're doing in policing the disinformation that's available on Thankful for you. We appreciate you so special. Thank you so much. Also, if you would like to support us on, you can go to a taxidermymouncle dot com and sign up today slash Venetian looking for today where we see someone in the discord pop in and say, hey, hey, I saw I'm the mailing review guy on YouTube. Thanks for that note. I did deny it. I did turn that one down for sure, but I'm here. There you go, So it's yeah, whatever, it's that's our getting strategy is one person at a time. We could get one person in this discord. We'll leave the ninety nine for the one. I got to hurry up. I got a haircut today and I don't want to be here anymore. Okay, Well, here's the thing. Uh this fit off. I am kind of good. What happened. What happened? What happened. We're pretty close. But they continue doing this for the rest of their life until Eddie bankrupts himself doing it. Oh geez, spends all the money he has, and uh, Marsh on the other hand, never runs out of money because he's making enough money. He's making enough enough money, he's got a big enough name for himself, and he's got it like this huge operation running at this point, so he's able to continue doing it. So at the end of the day Oath ends up winning the war, but they both had a valiant effort. Eddie discovered fifty six dinosaur species for the first time and named them incorrectly, so they got renamed. But he still discovered. But he discovered fifty six species. Sure Marsh discovered eighty new species, so he won the war. He won. Here's what's crazy though, Before this, it took a guess how many dinosaur species do you think we had discovered before this? I want to say not a lot. I want to say like five, that's a good guess. It was twenty seven thousand. I'm kidding. Nine there was only nine species discovered. Really, what were the first nine? I actually don't know. I don't know. Do we have a way of finding out or we just just sit here in mystery? Should we just sit here in wander Should we sit here and go huh, that's a good question. Maybe we'll look that up at a different time and then you listening on your commute right now, we'll never know because you won't remember to look it up. Or can we use the device in front of us, God's gift to us through the internet and maybe find out? Okay, this is the first one. Discovered was in sixteen seventy seven in Europe, so that's okay, question, Yeah, they are other places, and it was a guy by name Robert Plot that was what they called the dinosaur. You named that wrong, That's a human name. But I'm saying, like, what was the first like named Megalosaurus because like the freaking like Tyrannosaurus rex head is a wild find. Yeah, you know saying yeah. The second to be discovered was the Iguanadon. Okay, so wait, what is the name was the first one? We don't have any images of what that would look like. I bet we do. The first one was Megalosaurus Megalosaurus skeleton bones, yeah, and the second one was the Iguanadon. Judging by the looks of this, it's not real. I don't think I have a skeleton, Okay, but because I'm I mean, I guess I could have like megal skeleton, but I'd rather look at this statue of it is a statue. Yeah, I think this is in like a small town in Tennessee or something. I bet that's just what it That's just what it looks. It just looks like, Yeah, this looks like that one town where we saw that dragon. This is a mess. That's certainly an option. Oh this looks like an alligator head glued onto a lion and then covered in scales. Oh, I've seen iguana dons before. Yeah, in real life. But like remember that movie. It was like The Land Before Time, but it was three D animated and wasn't as good. It's called dinosaur. Yeah, actually it was just called dinosaur. Yeah, you were that movie about dinosaurs. It was what was it called? What what are they here? Yeah? Yeah, this is the iguanadon, is it? This is? This is from the movie Dinosaur. You pulled us still from the Okay, yeah, when did they discover the t rex? Let's find out, because I'm saying, like the skull of a t rex is undeniably a dinosaur. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, unless they pay per macheade it okay? Uh oh? Edward Cope, Edward discovered discovered the Yeah he named it. Yeah, he didn't name it wrong. What do you name it? He named it? Okay, he named it man O spoon dialis gigas. Yeah, he's stupid. Yeah, that's just a t rex. That's just a bunch of sounds. You just made. Man manas Spooner giggle like, Okay, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. Why don't we go with Tarannosaurus Rex? That is that explains so much about this. Let's put that on a shirt though. The Man of Spoon deals gigas, Yeah, that's pretty great. Man of Spoon gigs And it's just like the like coolest like t Rex, like for sure, like it's like those wolf t shirts t Rex. Yeah. The Man of Spoon like this like really cool font like really the classic Park font. Oh that's better my Creed font, but Jurassic Park fonts better. Man of Spoon deal, This geek is, Oh my gosh. I was thinking like maybe like a baby's new or like a yeah, you're naming that wrong right now, you're just saying sounds, or maybe like a how do you say it? Monsteryrah monserrat, that's how I always say that. That guy kind of fun. I heard some kids at we're just talking coffee shop. We got to hurry up. I heard some kids at a coffee shop this week, uh talking fonts. Yeah, And she was like she was like, I think I'm supposed to use They were talking about like a homework cane and she was like. She was like, I think I'm supposed to use a rile. That's what she said. And I was like, what did you just say? You said that to a kid, confronted you for confronted. I was like, you said, hey, you idiot, what did you just say? Hey, big old dog? Don no, we're a friend. Luckily your friend was like what And she was like, she was like a rile and she was like a times in the world. At least you know what You're like, here's here's a picture of the t rex that he found. We're gotta be done with this stupidest joke. That's dumbest saying you've ever done. That's a motto spooned the audio listener. It's a it's a halloween costume of a of a t rex. It's a pretty good one. We have an actual picture of what he found, because I'd be interested in that. I mean, I don't know what he found. We know what t rex look like there, I know, but like, do we have any pictures of his dig site? It was it was cameras existed then, right, I don't think so, Okay, we do have I mean, I know cameras existed then we have those black white photos. Also, We've talked about this on the show before. I cannot get over how creepy it is that people would just have their dead kids and pictures. What people would have their dead children in pictures and family photos? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not creepy. That is super creepy. So we've got this. I think this is the gums and the teeth of a t rex that he found. I mean, I guess they're not gums anymore. It's just they the bomb. But this is what Cope found. I guess. Oh interesting, So it is it is just like three t rex teeth and like the top part of the jaw is what he's got, and that we just put that stuff together and we said and then we were like, this is a t rex, you know, and that's made up. I will say. I will say this did kind of bring into question for me this competition between these two because there definitely was like a one upmanship and there definitely was like there's a there was a there's plausible reason for them to fake some stuff here, Yeah, to beat each other. Why is the tip of the teeth black because it's cooler that way. It's so much cooler, Like that's so cool. But well, I think that's kind of like like dog claws the tips of them turned black. The cats do that, I don't think, No, some of them. Yeah, like my dog, she's got like or white or clear or whatever, and then the tips turn black. Okay, what's it? I think it's blood in them. I think I don't know. I don't know where that is. I think, so maybe my teeth are black. You're just sick. You should go to the hospital. No, But so there's like a there's there's plausible Yeah, most of the most of their fines, though, have been corroborated by other paleontologists. Now though, Okay, so I think like if it was just that. I think that's the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories like that. Like if you look at if you scope in really tight on something like this, you're like, oh, I see how this could be faked. But if you widen your view a little, you're like, oh, okay, yeah this has been corroborated. So yeah, yeah, anyways, that's all I gotta say about this. Okay, oath one, if you want, go ahead and say I won in the comments. Okay, we can fiddle that one off. 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What REALLY Happened To The Inventor of Diesel Engines? | Rudolf Diesel

04-02-24

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Hey, this is thing that wearing last night. This week's episode is about Rudolph Diesel, who created the Diesel engine. It's a really great episode about his backstory and how he created it what it is, and then also some conspiracies about what happened to him in the end of his life. So interesting topic. I like it a lot. You'll love this episode. This weekend, i am in San Angelo, Texas, you know, the crappy part of Texas. And then I'm in Bloomington, Indiana, the crappy part of Indiana. And then next weekend I'm in the worst part Idaho, Cordilane. So if you like stand up, if you like laughing and stuff, you're gonna like my shows. And also this episode, so you're gonna learn some stuff and we're gonna laugh a little bit. So anyway, anything else you want to add? Started? Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Rudolph Diesel? Yeah, yeah, I have. He gathered around the North Pole and he said, this is for family. I saw your eyes. Think of that joke? I haven't. I've been studying this guy for weeks and I'm not thought of that joke until I connected with your eyes and it was like you saw it coming together. It was like our brains. You saw Scientia racing for pinks in the sled right and rout of find a body transam just off a mountain and went to a plane. It's like rolling through the air. Everybody's everybody else in the cars, like Dasher and Dancer in the backseat. Just god, we caught so many fish. The guy told us to throw in the boat. We told this guy into the boat. We're like, there's no room in the boat, but there's a manger out back. Hey, guys, make sure to smashed that. Like but like looking around the room, you're like, you did the education. I do the good bits things I learned last night. Brains are in Vixen and they're like, why are we flying? We can do that? Why why are we driving? I would just get out of this car. We in the guards so much more dangerous for really don't know, Like our legs are don't work in these Yeah, our legs are so awkward. This is not a right animate You who didn't think reindeer were real? Who was I talking to that? They were like, wait, are real animals? Definitely wasn't me. Man felt like it was you they seemed dumb, like, but yeah, I've seen that movie. It seemed on your level. Yeah, interesting, Yeah, well it wasn't me. Yeah. So Rudolph Diesel was born in March eighteenth, eighteen fifty eight. He was not the reindeer. Different Rudolph speaking of eighteen fifty eight. Yeah, well probably a few years after that. We're going to a theme park that's based in the eighteen hundred, eighteen hundred. Yeah, it's called Silver Dollars Dollars City, and it's in Branson, Missouri. You if you don't know where that is, ask your grandma and still alive. If you don't know, I'm sure we've said it a lot. I'm sure you'll hear mid rolls for it, you know, but we really want to make sure you know about it. It's gonna be a lot of fun. May eighteenth, twenty twenty four. We're going back into May eighteenth, eighteen o four hundreds. It's it's it's ambiguous. It's yeah, purposely vague, because there's some things that make you think it's, you know, early eighteen hundreds, and other things that are like this is this is eighteen ninety nine century at the Yeah, yeah, where Yeah, it's a great park. We're gonna ride, ride, run the whole show century. Yeah, that's gonna be a lot of fun. It's fun. So come out. You're welcome. You're invited. Bring a friend, you're invited. Tell someone come and see, go and see. All right. He was born in March eighteenth, eighteen four year for our best year. Yeah, remember when you were on staff at the Mega church. I do, and that sucks. It was really hard for me, was it. Yeah? It wasn't fun in talking to you back then. Yeah, yeah, we wanted staff had a mega church once. Yeah, and there was a reason that I wasn't anymore. No, I'm just kidding. I love mine. I was great. I just had to move. You think mine wasn't anyway, May eighteen, twenty twenty four. Okay, So he was born in March eighteenth, eighteen fifty eight in Paris, France. It was from German descent, though, Okay, and his family did an interesting thing when right after he was born that I don't know if it is allowed. It his eighteen fifties, so it might have been allowed in the eighteen fifties, but they said, hey, what if there was this local farmer family, and you live with them for like nine months, and so they I don't think it was like, hey, you keep them for nine months. It was like, hey, you can have this kid. And then he spent his first nine months of his life from my son now with his farmer family. And then nine months later his family showed back up and was like all right, I think we want him now. Uh. It's basically like, did you train him out a sit? Did you teach him broken? He broke him in there? All right, we'll take him back. Yeah, it was. It was a freaking trainer. It was a baby trainer that they took him to that got tim so good, and then he's like freaking treats and then rolls over. He does all the tricks. That's like a there's a never mind, so talk about that video game kid. No, there was a there was a commercial recently where they did that with a like the baby in the Oh no, it was a movie. It was a movie, The babyby Yeah. That was a good anyways, Fast and Furious seven where one of the babies got freaky Friday with the dog dog Like, this is a weird side story. Freaky Friday is a verb that's a fun time. So he went back home and lived with his family for a few years. Did you watch the what was it called the Vince Vaughan Killer movie? Maybe? I feel like it was like Freaky Friday the thirteenth or whatever it's called. It's like, that's essentially essentially what happened was they sat around They're like, what movie do whant I make next? And someone went Freaky Friday the thirteenth, and someone's okay, so it's a knife killer, but they've got Did you see that movie? No? What was it called? It was? Actually it was funny. It was good. Vince Vaughn plays a killer who stabs his victim, the girl, and then they get Freaky Friday, and so now the girl is in this old guy's body, and then the girl this is old guy to you, I'm looking at you. And then the girl is the killer. Yeah. Yeah, and so Vince Vaughn has to go to his friend his high school. But friends, it's like, guys, no, seriously, it's me. It's a very funny plot. I thought it was pretty well done. That's pretty good. That is back in time. No, no, no, no, that one you're thinking of is a different I was just about to bring it up. No, no, no, okay, okay, wait, Alex, do you know what I'm talking about? Am I crazy freak future? Okay? So, no, Vince Vaughn is in a movie. I don't remember what it's called. Sorry about that. This is really bad promotion. But there's another movie which straight up is Back to the Future where her mom's friend was killed when when she was in high school. Oh oh yeah, I told you this one. Yeah, that one, that one. That one was fun too interesting. I don't remember what either of them are called, but they were fun movies. Yeah. Back to the murders, Yeah, back to the murders and the I do know what it was brought to you by. Okay, So he gets he gets picked back up by his family slashing prices. We're slashing prices. And your neighbor Bryce, We're slashing prices. That's a Brice. It's a Bryce slicer right there. All right, speaking of slicers, the other night, I experienced a horror movie in real life. I've been waiting to tell you this, and I so got that. Rudolph Diesel was born on Large eighteenth. No no no, no, no, no no no. I fell asleep on my couch watching a documentary huh. And I woke up probably like ten thirty ish to give or take. And so I wake up. I'm like, oh, I got got it that I'm kind of I let the dogs out start kind of like cleaning up and getting ready for bed, you know, And I hear my dogs like barking bloody murder outside. They were barking the word bloody murder. It's like, who thought of that? That farmer I left? Dude, alex Is. I could literally feel Alex in there typing like, oh my gosh, man stupid. The last episode was long, and he's like, this episode is not going to be long. It's what it says it's gonna be. We're in for a long one. So I gotside of the dogs are barking like crazy. I get outside, and I hear the sound of a guy talking like and so like, I get outside and I walked over to my fence so I could like see over the fence and see what's going on. There's a guy at the end of the block, and it's night and so it's dark, so I can't standing in the street lamp, I can't see like, I can't see him clearly, Like I see his silhouette, you know, like it's like that kind of dark. It's a what was it? It was like a waxing crescent that night, so like it wasn't a bright moon. But was it the night that David Copperfield made the moon disappear? I looked up, So take it, David. I gotta see that guy, David. This is I gotta say. So. This guy's at the end of the block and he's walking down the block and the best he's wearing oversized shirt, overside pants and the ends of them are like, I mean, the best way to describe more rags, Like they're raggy and like I can tell like they're like longer than his wrist, you know, Okay, And he's walking down and he is talking like normal volume. He's not like shouting or yelling or even like he's not there raising his voice at all, just talking normal volume. And his voice is nineteen's fifties dad voice. And you know what I mean, like like transatlantic that kind of like like like the dad from a Christmas story. Like that's how he's talking. It's like I want a major award. I can't do the voice, but you know, what I mean I want? Yeah, yeah, that kind of voice, like that's how he's talking. And he's saying Ron, Ron, here boy, Ron and clapping but like not like but it's not like you know, when people are looking for their dog. Ron, that's too much, that's too dog like. Like it was. He was very Ron, Ron, come me boy. Yeah, but it was nineteen fifties dad, And it was like it's just very ominous the way, and it was very quiet, like it wasn't like he was. It was too quiet for someone looking for their dog. And he walks what did you do? He walks all the way down the block and passed my house and like down another block and then turns around and walks all the way down this back down the block, the whole time saying Ron, Ron, come here boy, in that exact same cadence every time, probably said it a hundred times, exact same cadence, and goes all the way back down and walks down and then rounds that corner. And I'm going to be honest with you, that man died sixty years ago, and I am so confident, and he's just wandering the neighborhood, yeah, looking for Ron. And Ron is not a dog. It's not a dog. Na. What I think probably happened was that he was just walking in the neighborhood. One of your neighbors saw him and was like, Ron, come your boy, Ron, come your boy. And then he went, Ron, give me a boy, and like picked it up. You said something, he would pick it up, had you like, man, I wish I would have tried that. Yeah, I would have been like, I have a bomb. I have a bomb. He's a parrot, I have a bomb. Yeah. So I took the dogs inside pretty hurriedly, and then the dogs started saying dogs like Ron, coury boy. You know what this made me think a more interesting story. Freaked me out. Man, I thought they were gonna kill me. You thought that guy was gonna kill you? Yeah, they were. There's a couple of them. Well, it's like the guy I told you that yelled at the fire truck and stuff. But I was at the grocery store. I told you about this out of here. I think I called you. Think we were on the phone when it happened. Where a guy was walking through the grocery store parking lot a couple of weeks ago, and like he was just like, you're holding hurry up, like streaming, and there's just no one there. But he's having a full conversations. He's like, come on, no, seriously, let's go interesting. So maybe hear me out. Same guy, their state's apart, same guy, different dimension. No, no, no, no, oh, they're talking to each other. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is Ron. Yeah where I live. Ron's over there. They are our connection interesting because we're so far apart, connected through our connection, through our connection. Yeah, because it was a it was like it was a crescent moon, right, yeah, it was a waxing cres waxing. Yeah. I don't know, that's crazy. He's pretty spooky to me. He was pretty likely. What was the moon like the night that Rudolph Diesel died? Rudolph Diesel. Okay, So he goes back to his family and they along. Story short. They live in Paris, the frank Oprussian war starts, they have to move to London. They get this place to London, and while they're there, he decides, uh, his family decides, you should live in with your aunt and uncle in Augsburg, and so they moved him to in one little flight and they got scared and said, you're moving with your auntie and uncle and Oxford Augsburg, Augsburg, Augsburg, thank you. And they sent him to college and he gets a scholarship. He wants to study engineering, and his parents are pretty upset about that. They say, we don't think you should do that. We think you should be My favorite business is a stunt man. Exist back then, I'm gonna hate deep. I don't know, I'm just throwing stuff war right now. Your job is to inform. My job is to do silly little gags. Your job is to educated stunts in the family. Yeah, So he wants to go study engineering and his family's upset about that because what about the stunts that would make you That's what I'm saying. That was like that would make you too rich? You know, like why would you be upset about that? Like if your kids, like I want to go be a lawyer and you're like, no, we own sonic drive ins and you're going to run them, and why would you want to hold your you know? Yeah, they believed in farming, okay, and so I think this I think there was I think this was an interesting time in history because this was when farmers were rich, and so farming was his career being a doctor being an engineer. That was new and that was it was kind of like the YouTubers farmers and doctors were with doctors and YouTube like I want to be a doctor and you're like, shut up, dude, that's a stupid dream that's never going anywhere. Like what are you going to do with that? And now it's like doctors are rich but in the same thing YouTuber. That's why when I go to my doctor's office, he comes in, he's like, hey, guys, make sure to smash that like budd and you're like looking around the room. You're like, don't see. You can tell me anything and no one will know. It's called confidentiality. That's a great YouTube channel. Chle you guys, confidentiality. Hey guys, welcome to the Doctor's Confidentiality. Here's another recap of all the stuff I did this week. No, it's no, it's it's a hitting camera show. Oh no. I like the idea of a doctor giving a recap of his week, but he can't tell you. So he's like, here's on Monday, on Tuesday, went to sushi for lunch, and uh on Wednesday, if you know, you know next week on another doctor recaps you know. He's like, I can't tell you. So he goes on to engineering. He graduates. It's a great TikToker time. I'm gonna start that. Hey guys, I'm a therapist, but I'm not allowed to tell you what I talked about. But you know, this week I had a client who and then I muted, mute it, mute the whole thing. Yeah, they were sad about stuff. It's pathetic, all right. So eighteen eighty he graduates with a degree in engineering and he gets a job working on a refrigeration plan. At this job, he starts working with steam engines and he gets obsessed with engines, which is like a lot of sh she jump to the interesting stuff first, dude, trains, right, I kind of, I guess, yeah, let's do it. So he starts working on He develops an engine that works with ammonia vapor, which sounds like probably a bad idea, Like everything I know about ammonia is like, you don't want that vapor. I think, I don't know. And so it did blow up in a test run and killed him, And that's the whole story, all right. No, it nearly killed him. He was in the hospital for months. I mean he had lifelong health issues and I sight issues because of that. I don't know if hospital and he looked at his parents they're over here, and he's like, I'm sure you guys are glad for doctors now, huh. And he got out of the hospital and he can't see at all. He's looked at the wrong way, and his dad's like, his dad's like, hey, if I train you how to do stunts, you could be a superhero. Now this accident, let's do it. Let's let's do it. What do I got to lose? And so he is, like I said, obsessed with engines, and he's strongly believes he's like, he's like, engines inefficient, they're i mean better than horses and stuff. But like there's a theoretical level of where this can we do train racing back in the day. This is actually a real question. I'm kind of I don't wondering, but it seems like they would, right, I don't know why they would like drag race, they would engines. So you're saying, you're saying a situation where you've got a racetrack for trains. Oh no, no, no, no, I'm saying a drag race. You got to two tracks next to each other. Can we do NASCAR trains, NASS train train, NASH train, I guess where it's. Yeah, it's just you got those two steam engines. You know you can't. You know, it be really a slow sport. But yeah, but if you got if you got like bullet trains, it would honestly be kind of fun. You know. The more I think about it, the more I kind of like this idea. I like trains, Dude, I don't think they did it. I'm a big am track guy. I was trying to get us trains to out. Maybe I'll get you that for your birthday. Maybe you can train out to Los Angeles. I'm not all the day to l A. You know how long that would take. It's thirty four days, thirty four hours. Jeez, it's a long ride. Yeah, but you go to private bedroom. Yeah, but you're you're the train guy. I love trains. I'm not a train guy. No, No, you would like what I like. No, you like what I like? What I like? Doug, No, No, you like if I like it, you have to like it to you like it. That's how best friends. That's how Yeah, that's how this works. We like the same. It's our thing. Okay, wei should got counseling. I'm pretty mad you do that with your wife but not with me. Hey, thanks for checking out our show. If you like it and you want to support be a part of what we're doing here, you can do that by becoming a patron. What happens there is you get to be in the community. We have a discord with our hosted producers. We have a lot of fun. We're super active and there every day. You get access to add free content a week before everybody else. And we have a zoom every month with our patrons. We hang out, we eat pizza, We get to know you a little bit better. It's a blast, and there's a ton of other different benefits like merch discounts, birthday messages, things like that that are super cool. If you want to be in that, you can just text tillin to six six eight sixty six and that'll get you right in there. If not, we're just super glad that you're here and thanks for watching our show. So Diesel, Diesel, Diesel knew about this thing called the Carno cycle. Carnot cycle. I don't know what can you do? The education I do the good bids so stupid. Okay, so the car car, no cycle, carnate cycle. I'm not sure. It's the theoretical limit of how efficient an engine could be. And it was developed like the early eighteen hundreds, okay, and so from zero to one hundred percent, is this like one hundred percent the limit? It's as efficient as could possibly be. Steam engines came in at a ten percent and so not very efficient, and at the time even lower, like the the peak of steam engines with ten percent when he was working on was like four percent. So they're not very efficient engines because it takes a lot, like if you're steam engineing, like you need an engine to produce the steam to then use the steam to actually move the engine right, and then you've got dudes that are throwing all the coal and like really hot in the bottom of the Titanic. You know, Yeah, that that was the problem. You're saying like physically like like their temperature hot. Are you saying like hot? Guys? Do that? I mean it's both, don't You can't move it without getting hot. That's that's the I was gonna say modern day that is the pre modern day CrossFit that is pretty crossfitting. Can we started get ripped? Dude? Just freaking go work on a steam track work at the time. Leg were you're looking Jack lately? What do you you? I don't know, man. I eat a lot of protein. And also I shovel coal into a steam engine. So you know, it is one of my lifelong dreams to drive the train at Serdar City, Like I want to get boiler experience. Do you have to have boiler experience? Because like the guys, it's a real steam engine. I didn't know that. Yeah, and so it's like, yeah, the guys who were operating the steam engine know how to do steam stuff. That's probably why I don't know. They don't let me do it yet because I call it steam stuff. You're so steamy, guys. Let me join the steam team to be a steamer. Can we ask if I can? Yeah, this was gonna say. I was like, why did you ask that? Can we be in the They'll probably let us in right Oh dude, I know you're listening right now. Can I please? Can I please be in the snow conductors allowed? Just me let me take the train. No one's allowed in here but me. No. I feel like there's a safety issue. I feel like they can't let me in the adine. I don't know we can ask all right, it's like Jesus take the wheel. But it's fel like we should have demands, but we like we make like, you know, we do the negotiating thing where we put like six of them where it's clearly not going to happen. Yeah, you know, let me standing on top of the roller coaster. That's clearly not gonna all right, We'll let you cut that one out. You know, I'm saying, yeah, give me a ten percent stake in the company. Well, clearly that's not gonna happen. All right, Fine, but I get to be in the engine of the steam. And they're like, okay, yeah, I mean, of all the domains you've made, that's probably probably the most realistic we can grant that one. That's a good idea. That's a good idea. He meets a guy by the name of von Lynd who owns a corporation that builds stuff. Yeah, and so he goes there and he starts researching this Carno cycle and how he can build a more efficient engine. The first kind of addition to that was he the aemonia vapor engine. Uh, And long story short, it led to him being able to develop this theoretical engine that he published a paper to go with it that was supposed to be super efficient. Sure, and as a result of that that paper, accompany by the name of Machine in Fabric Augsburg called him up and was like, hey, you want a job, And he's like, I got a job, and they're like, I got a better job. And so basically they hired him to come just develop this engine, okay, and they're like, your whole job is to come and test and build this engine to make it a real thing. So he worked there from eighteen ninety three to eighteen ninety seven and he emerged with the diesel engine. That makes sense, Yeah, And so this engine was a very significant engine because if you don't know how a diesel engine works, a normal engine, what happens, So a normal engine, what happens is the fuel mixture comes into the end of the piston, and you've got that the fuel in the air mixture. The piston fires and moves and compresses your fuel air mixture. A spark plug ignites it and then and that spark makes it explode, fires the piston back down and it moves the exhaust out, and that exhaust makes everything move, and that's how a traditional engine works. So there's a lot of kind of components that are moving in there. In a diesel engine, it starts similar You have the fuel air mixture that pumps in the piston, begins at a lower state and then compresses it and actually, instead of a spark igniting it, it just compresses it so much that it ignites. And so it's just a ridiculous amount of compression that blows up the mixture and then it just goes straight into the exhaust. So you're taking a component out of the cycle. And you have to use a specific kind of fuel with this to cogn that work, and that fuel allegedly is less flammable, and so like you can't just like cut catch up fire. It's not supposed to explode on its own. Like gasoline right just blows up. Sometimes, yeah, smoke near it. The amount of people who smoke at gas stations is pretty bonkers. It is insane, Like, hey, I get that you don't care about your life, but I care about mine. Which it's wild because the amount of people who smoke anywhere else is really low. Now like, yeah, like think of it, like, oh, go away from me at my favorite bars and my favorite restaurants. Give me one place that I can still do. And you're like, okay, I hear you, I understand, but like the gas station is not the one place, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is insane that you say that about public parks or preschools. Honestly, either of those are better than the gas station. No, those kids are gonna blow up. I don't think they are. What are you made? What are you made of? Kid? You've seen the diesel monster truck? Are they not normally diesel? No? Really, that's kind surprizing. Those are huge engines, engines. Yeah, but semi trucks are diesel. Those are okay. No, these are like muscle car via like engines. These are huge. You've been to a mustruct show. No, we've talked about this before. I wanted to go yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, freak yeah, okay, but this year not this year. A couple of years ago, Monster Jam introduced a d soel and I'll be honest with you, it's not as efficient as the other ones. It's not really Definitely was cool, really yeah, because I mean, well, first of all, monst trucks are loud, yeah, I mean like loud yeah. And then this one's just like and you're like, sounds like you sound like a dentist, you know you, and you're like, did get out of here? Man? Do you like watch monster truck realies? Like? I know you've been to them, but do you like watch them like on TV? Bro, I'm not gonna lie to you. Some of the highlights are pretty cool. That's the most small town thing you do. Honestly, that's fine. I don't care if I'll be honest with you. If that's the most white trash thing about me, I'll take it. That's fine. I guess that's fine. Yeah, monster trucks are cool. First of all, Everyone comment and talk about how cool monster trucks are. And if you don't know, like I get that. It's one of those things like you you see videos of it and you're like, I guess, but like when we go, which we will, Yeah, when you feel those in it's it's cool. Man. Well, okay, it's one of those things that I I wouldn't say. I went to a drag race once and it was it was pretty crazy. Yes, you know, drag races are awesome. It was pretty INtime. Monster trucks even better, huh, because they're just going. Drag races are just going straight forward, you know, and then back, yeah, you know, but the monster straightforward and then rolling. Yeah. And I mean like the drag races too. You got a lot of you got the Westboro Baptists, so you got the people like, ah, we hate this, you know, and cool, you get where I'm going. You get where I'm going. So he is up there. I guess I don't know the difference. No, but monst trucks are pretty honestly, that'd be a way to bridge the gap if they did a I've we've talked about this before. Have we talked about this? Have we not? I don't think we have this the hostal drag race like drag race that would be that'd be cool. Anyways, So he makes this engine. He comes out with it makes the patent people are like, well, this engine's crazy, Like this is a good engine, like a good engine, a good one. And to the point where this engine is operating on the cardinal sale at a seventy five percent efficiency, So they're going from like single digits to seventy five percent efficiency. This is create like changing the market. For reference, most cars on the road today, they have like a maximum expectation that they would be at about a fifty percent efficiency, but they're really only operating like twenty to forty because of emissions and cost, so they like downgrade them, so like twenty to forty percent efficiency. So this is even for today's Standard's like a very efficient engine that he produces, and the market loses their mind. They're like, we need all these engines. Yeah. So he builds a business and he leads his company, builds this business, and he starts producing this engine and producing like licenses for other people to produce this engine as well, and he becomes a millionaire in one year. Cool. And so he's very wealthy man, traveling the world, acquiring patents in countries worldwide, and he kind of becomes like a like an Elon Musk of his time, Like he becomes like this really famous business man entrepreneur that everyone's reading. Also, his name was Rudolph. Is a name that's like needs to make a comeback. I think, yeah, yeah, that's Rudy Rudey. Is that what Rudolph Rudy was short for? Yes? Did he ever mention that in the movie. What do you think it was short for? I just thought it was rudy, rudithy. I didn't think it was short for anything. I just thought it was rudy. No, Rudolph. Did they mention that. Do they say that in the movie? I don't know, but that's usually what it's short. It'd be like, wait, you're telling me tim is short for Timothy? Did they say that in the movie. You're like, no, but it's usually usually short for Timothy, Like most people aren't named just tim because that's stupid. Okay, anyways, so he's traveling around tim. I think you'd be annoyed at that, right, You'd be like, guys, it's Timothy. You would be annoyed at that. Am I not wrong? Not really, honestly, because I don't. I get very uncomfortable with people call me Timothy. Okay, that feels weird, and not even your parents call you that. Yeah, my parents call me tim They called you. Oops. So this isern Come here, Yes, dad, my name is Tim. I don't care. I forgot it long ago. This engine is sweeping, sweeping the globe. He is going to these expos talking about the fuel source because here's the thing. Diesel fuel is not diesel fuel like we think of today. Yes, diesel fuel was at the time vegetable oils. And so he's going to farms and he's being like, hey, you've got a lot of this vegetable oil lying around from when you juice your carrots. My favorite is when I can see your eyes like you're like, you're not going to make it through this, from when you juice your carrots or whatever. You could tell that Tim has no idea how farming works at all. You guys have a lot of this laying around from when you juice your carrots. Se basically, but he's basically telling farmers. He's like, he's like, hey, you can grow your fuel. You don't have to buy it anymore. Farmer's you can have all of our carriage juice. Farmers love it. Gas companies hate him. Okay, And this is different because diesel fuel now is gasoline that's like refined in its special way. But they just recently came out vegetable oil. They just recently came out with biodiesel though, which is like a refined vegetable oil. I just recently brought that back. The oil industry is like, hey, hey, hey, well, so this is big. He's traveling around the country selling this stuff for about ten years. On September twenty ninth, nineteen thirteen, he is on board the s S. Dresden to meet with the Consolidated Diesel Manufacturing Company in London. And this is this is the ship. I got a nice This is a picture. This is a photograph of the ship that looks familiar. And here's here's the guy. Actually, this is him. And here he is with one of his engines, like his first prototype of the engine. Okay, very cool. So this is now ten years later, he's very rich, and he's going to visit a manufacturer in London. In London who is just making his designs. Yeah, well they're not making him yet. So this is a meeting to secure the business. Oh, with depth and now favor already committed to the name of their company. I mean they there. I guess, yeah, I guess. I guess they're like, it was implied we're gonna get it. We're gonna get it, That's what I'm saying. It was implied that they had already been making it. But I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so's he's on his way to meet with them, which you mentioned it. I I do want to acknown this. You mentioned this. This is two years after but he was he did have a ticket on board the Titanic and he didn't board it because he was like late for work that day or something. What was What's he didn't go because he was Michael Jackson not in the you know what I'm talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Like, I know, I think I know what you're talking about, but I have never heard that in my life. Are you googling it right now? Okay? So he was supposed to have a meeting in the building. Oh oh wow, missus meeting. Yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty common story. It's similar what happened for him. He was supposed to be on the Titanic. He had a ticket for the Titanic, but he had an extra meeting that popped on his calendar, so he missed it, missed the exit of the Titanic for that extra meeting. Wow, just to hear that business. Yeah, there's like notes in his diary of him talking about it. He kept a diary. Okay, so we know a lot about him from his diary. Yeah, that's why I keep do when you write in your diary, do you have like a journal? No? Yeah, I don't do that because I don't want people to be able to try stuff to me. So I was talking to my wife about this, because she journals a lot. She journals more than I do. Yeah. Is it one of those journals from like Nickelodeon that has a lock on it? Yeah, and like open, like one of the pages is just full slid. Uh. We're adults shut out tim a fee from a thy So no, is we're talking about that. When you write, there's a part of you that's like what if what if somebody reads this one day? See, like want to sound very dramatic about some things? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've never I did that for a little bit more truly alone, We're never done performing is essentially. What's that? You know, even in your private thought, you're never really letting down that like what if someone reads? Yeah, yeah, that's true. I tried it for a minute. It was like a spiritual thing like journaling. Oh yeah, and then you quit that job of the church and you gave up on all that. No, it was like it was like it was like uh, and you got into your weird special stuff you're into now, I'm sorry, we can cut this. Nineteen thirteen, he's on board the S S Dresident heading to that that manufacturing company that's very bold with the name Yeah, to meet with them. Suddenly the CIA pushes a giant iceberg. What's like, I do it over there with that big piece of ice. It's one guy in a kayak just kayaking the iceberg in the place I was thinking he was on top of it. He was on top of the iceberg. Like, what are those guys in the gondolas called those those stripe shirts? I think they call him and the entire they're called what tractees? Okay? Steering the iceberg into the ship, there's a couple on their honeymoon and he's singing Lo Lo Lo Lo Lo. It's so romantic out here. So Diesel has dinner on board the ship and he returns to his room at about ten PM and he asks for a wake up call at six fifteen am. Why he's waking up that early on board the ship, I don't know. I don't think that had a gym. Yet. You look at that ship and it's you'd be surprised the number of people on cruises who get up and go to the gym in the morning. It's actually it was pretty annoying. Yeah, but I mean like if if if like a modern cruise, sure, but this boat no gym. Even on the modern cruise, I got up and I would go to the gym because I work here. I'm not work right now. Why are you guys here? Yeah? Yeah, you're one of the ship. You're on vacation. Yeah, get out of here. Yeah. You never work out on vacation, I mean va because better than you, my gosh, vacation workouts with the best kind of workouts. Yeah, they're much more relaxing, like they're like yeah because you're why because it's like like if you like a workout during your work week, you're like, I gotta get out of here, I gotta go get stuff done. But that you have nothing, and so you just kind of like you just feeling my vacation. Well, I mean if you do it later in the day, like if you do it like wake up early and like you set the time for it, like it's it's nicer because you don't feel like that tugged like I got to be doing something. I got to be I felt that whenever I was when we did Google last I got up and my cardio in the morning. Yeah, but our days were starting at six am. I know I was good. I was getting up at like four. Yeah, So you still you feel Oh I got great to get out of here. I still feel great. I felt awful that trip because I was not working out and I was eating terribly. We're how bad my voice was because of Medieval Times. Yeah. I actually watched the clip of that the other day and I was like, oh man, I could see it in my face trying to struggle to get the words out. We learned a lesson. Yeah, Medieval Times is an after the event event. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this and you want more of our show, We've got plenty of other episodes. It's one of my favorites. Is Action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers and they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey. It was a wild story, but we did a whole episode about it, and I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. For six fifteen wake up call. At six faceteen, one of the ship mates comes up to his room and finds that it's empty. His bed is made, and it does not look like it's been slept in, like it's currently made. His night shirt is neatly laid out in the bed, which is an old thing. People don't do that anymore. So you just be clear though, six fifteen wake up call with someone coming into your room. I guess there's there no, because there's no phone. Where's it coming to you? Hey? Yeah, what's what's going on? Man? It's six sixteen? No, I said, sixty fifteen. Well, I tried throw them overboard, block the plank. That's the guy right there. That guy. Uh, his night shirt is laid on in the bed, something we don't do anymore. They used to wear nights shirts, shirts and shirts at night. We don't wear shirts after the clock strikes dead. Just in case I got tired of mind RiPP him, I turned into a werewolf. What are you talking about? Shirt? He let his nice shirt, nice and neatly on the bed. His watch was on, so he had never gone to bed. His watch was on the side table, like facing the bed, as if he was like wanting to be able to like just open his eyes and see the time. You know, you know what I'm talking about. And so they were like, where's he at? Is peculiar? Where's the guy that was supposed to wake up? Why isn't he in this room? They look around the ship and near the railing of the ship, at one area of the boat, they find his hat and his overcoat like neatly folded next to the railing of the ship. And so they said, oh, it looks like this guy jumped overboard him all the night. But for what reason? Who knows the motive. Here's strange why he would do that. There's not a note he did in his diary leave a cross on that day, just a picture of a cross, and that was all that was in his diary that at all. Yeah. Cryptic, Yeah, very cryptic. He he did, this is an important detail. He did empty his bank account and then before he left on this trip, he gave his wife a bag and said don't open this until next week and was full of twenty thousand German marks, which is equivalent to about one hundred twenty thousand US dollars today. Okay, And then they didn't find him at first but about a week later, a tug boat was sailing in the same area. I don't know if sailing is the right term for a tugboat tugging the same area, and they found the body. The body like floating, so they pulled it in and they looked at it and they're like, I think that's the guy. That guy that died. Oh my gosh, it's Elon Musk. And so they took some personal effects off him and they threw him back out. It was catch and release. No, they really did that though, because they said they didn't have room on board. Serious, Yeah, they said they didn't have a room on board for a body. So they threw him back in. They took some effects, threw him back overboard. What that's not true. That's one hundred true catch and release to this guy. And they took those personal effects and give him the police, and the police brought him to this Diesel Son and Diesel was like, yeah, this is my dad's stuff for sure, what okay? And so it was ruled as suicide. But there's a lot of questions about it. And he's just still a seed, like they just left him out there. Yeah, they left him just somewhere he's in the ocean somewhere, probably not anymore, but yeah, they just threw him back out there. Yeah, he's probably in your neighborhood. Run Run, Run Run. Here's the thing, there's a lot of people who've got some motives the situation. Okay, obvious oil company, obviously the oil companies. There's the gasoline engine is developing alongside the diesel engine. They were one and the same at the same time building these engines, and they're starting to become pretty competitive with each other, like what's going to be the better one and what's going to be more widely used in the world of engine ing stuff. There was one guy in particular that a lot of people have pointed to as the potential person who could be behind this plot, and it's this man. Do you know who that is? He looks like slender Man's grandpa. Yeah, that's actually pretty accurate. This is John d. Rockefeller. Yeah, that makes sense, and he looks like a killer. Here's the things we know about John D. Rockefeller. One, he was a billionaire. Yeah, depending on who you listen to and what numbers, he might have been a trillionaire. Like adjusted for inflation, he was like the top of the petroleum industry, and so he was selling fossil fuels and things like that, and he got very very very like ungodly rich off of it so much show that he became kind of insane. Something that a lot of people don't remember Rockefeller for was his relationship with the Pinkertons. You know, the Pinkertons are no The Pinkertons were like a private police force that was like nationwide at that time, and he used them a lot, primarily for union busting. And so there'd be yes, okay, his companies that would start to unionize, he would send the Pinkertons and they would literally kill a bunch of people and then they wouldn't unionize, and they'd be like, oh, it was accident, you know. That was the Pinkertons in the warehouse came on fire with those people inside. If only they had safety working conditions. The union should really work on that. The union should do that. It would be good for them to do that for you. They there were I shouldn't say fairly confident, but there's a conspiracy that John Rockefeller was behind a plot with the Pinkertons. A lot of people don't recognize this evs were also happening at this time. They were coming into the market at the same time as the diesel engine and the traditional gas engine. In the early nineteen hundreds. Yes, and there was actually an entire fleet of electronic taxis in New York that were functional and they were driving around New York like transporting people in New York. No one driving, yeah, well it was there's people driving over. They were they weren't at autonomous, yeah, but they were electronic vehicles. I think I've seen an old video where they replaced the battery in the car. Maybe it's like a big battery in thee. Yeah, because yeah, they they had these chargers all over New York City and they had these taxis that were fully electric taxis in the early nineteen and Henry Ford he had produced the Model T and he also was working on evs at the same time, and so he had an electric model teeth that he was working on and a whole he had a whole plant that was producing these things and like researching these things, and it mysteriously caught fire and burned down, lost all of that the progress, and he ended up canning the concept after that because he was like it's too much money to reinvest back into this. It's just a total loss. We should do working to that for sure. And there's always been the theory that the Pinkertons set that fire and the picker Tins were hired by Rockefeller. Yeah, to set that fire. We don't know for sure, we know for sure, but it does look like, oh, I don't know who did it. It does look like Rockefeller hired some people to burn that thing down. And so it's not with the outside the realm of possibility that Rockefeller was like, this guy's diesel engine is going to take out my petroleum money and I need to kill him, and I've got people who can do that. And so they put him on board that ship. Well, he built a boat and sunk it and was like, oh dang, he missed the boat. And so he was like, he's like, maybe we could do a less colladal damage, try to get and try to just push him overboard the next one. Yeah, he hired the picker Tins and then he saw the Titanic thing. It was like, that is not what I expected you guys to do that way too, Why did you do that? Like you could have just pushed him off the ship. That's what I meant. I thought, that's good. That's a better, much better I did. But John the movie about this, you said, you said break him in half, not break the boat and half. I get it now, you said when you said put it at the bottom of mister, listen, I'm just a Gum'm just the guy who goes out and makes stuff. I'm just dumb when you said sink it, I didn't realize you were calling him the it that I saw me. I I didn't realize you didn't think of him as a person. I should have known that. I will drown him and then I'll make sure if he's found. They even him at the sea. Then he drowns. They pulled his body out of the boat, and then here comes that guy in scuba gear way. He just comes out of the water. He's like, he's like, throw that body back in the water. Gave me back my body? What put that body back where it came from? Now, Like, we need to listen to the sea man, sea man. We need to listen to this guy of the sea. He just came out of the ocean and told us to put the body back. We're gonna put the body back. Don't tell anyone you saw me. Don't tell no one you saw me. And then he just he walks back in the water and they're they're in the middle of the ocean. He's happy to the bottom. He just like want like Godzilla, and they're like, it's eight lunch feet deep here. No one's gonna believe us. Let's just say we didn't never room in the boat. There's no room in the We caught so many fish. The guy told us to throw the boat. Told this guy in the boat. We're like, there's no room in the boat. But there's a main ger ou back. You could go to sleep in there, sleep in there, all right. So it could be John D. Rockefeller, right, probably, Well, there's this other guy by the name of Kaiser Wilhelm. The second he did look at him, he's not in the army. This was their silver Doarter city. It was one of those one of those one of those photo booths where you like dress up and do the whole thing, but you can dress up as like a military general. I like that. No, Yeah, this guy was the Emperor of Germany. He was the last emperor of the German Empire. Yeah, I mean not though, well, the German Empire like this, so Prussia, I believe was that's like technical name. It was the German Empire. He's a emperor of it. And Diesel was from German descent. But Diesel was kind of a tough guy to pin down because, like I said, painting his backstory, he was a German descent guy, but he was born in Paris, France, and then he moved to London, lived on that farm for a little bit, and then moved to Augsburg, so he was kind of all over the place. He worked for that German company while he was developing his thing, the man Man Sheeness Fabric company, but he was frustrated with them, and the reason why he left initially was like they were having a They didn't want him to go international. They wanted to keep it in Germany, and so he left them and started producing it internationally and they were like, no, they didn't like them, and they didn't like that, and he didn't like that either. Well, here's the thing. Germany at the time was trying to expand their navy, to build a stronger navy to be able to compete with Great Britain because the Royal Britain Navy was really the Royal British year was really good. He died nineteen thirteen. Yeah. So I'm I mean like Germany was going for it with the World War, right, Yeah. So World War One begins about seven eight months from here, got it? And so that's Germany. Yeah, yeah, Germany's there, we want to do it. Yeah, so it Germany almost a year to the day, actually, Germany declares war on Russia and France and World War One begins. Yes, but so Germany is rapidly expanding their navy. And the thing with the diesel engines is they were much more efficient and they were great for boats and more importantly, this sweet new thing called summarines. They call them U boats at the time because they didn't have good names yet. They're like underboats. That sounds dumb, yeah, yeah. And so remember the point of this trip though the trip he's going to meet with the Consolidated, Yeah, which is a British company that already named itself after the diesel to so this guy did it, So there's some motive for Germany'd be like, no, we don't want them to get their hands on that technology. We have it, we're producing it. We can't let the Brits be able to have good engines like we're gonna have because we're about to declare war on them for the cool big World War. So there's some motivation there. And this guy's a big, big, mean empire guy, so you could see it right. Here's my favorite theory though, the British Empire is who he was on his way to go meet the Germans obviously wanted this technology and obviously didn't want the British to have this technology. There may have been a plot already in place for the Germans to take Rudolf Diesel out. So what the British said as they said, come meet with us and you're going to die, leave your wife a bunch of money, you're never going to see her again, and we're going to take you to Canada where you can now develop uh diesel engines. So oh, you're saying there is no body in the ocean. The body in the ocean. Was there was a body in the ocean, there might not have been. That's what I'm saying. I mean, like if you have his artifacts and then you can say, hey, a tug boat, yeah, it couldn't fake that. But they didn't bring back the body because there was no room on the boat, or there was some guy on the ocean who said, hey, put that so we couldn't we couldn't bring you the body because the seed guy told us not to. Yeah, the seagull, he told us not to the sea gull. I can't understand you. We bit the water out, seagull. Seagull, you're a bird. You're going to join me too, Give me the But that's what I'm saying is that they could have just taken the artifacts off of a live person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then take it to his son and been like the secause that's not really wet. Yeah, bodies in the ocean quote unquote. Yeah. And a couple months after his death, it makes Rockefeller happy, it makes the Germans happy. Well, a couple of months after his death, a Canadian company makes a breakthrough in diesel engines and they start producing engines for the Royal British Navy. Okay, that is a big, a big advancement for them. They did it. It seems pretty likely that they faked his death. I believe that they did it, and they yeah, so that way they could get an edge on Rockefeller is innocent, completely Rockefeller has never done anything wrong. That guy never break. That's a guy whose grandkids love him, you know. That's a guy who he knows his children's names. That's a guy who would always put public interest above his own greed. That's a guy who when they say we need to increase shareholder value, he's forget about the shareholders. It's about the planet's about the good of everyone. That's a guy when you say his name three times, he doesn't show up. Tell you that. That's a guy who's never bit into someone's neck and sucked on the I'll never run into that guy in the woods. So yeah, so there's a there's some mystery or Rudolph Diesel made the diesel engine pretty cool. They've they changed it. They changed it so that way Rockefeller can still get a lot of money. He still get paid. But it was a pretty big deal and they killed him for it. Maybe. Wow, Yeah, that's pretty wild. Yeah, can you hold that a little longer. I was gonna do that for the thumbnail. Okay, that's pretty wild. Your water bowls in the way, Sorry, that's just your laptops in the way, My cocking legs in the way. Is that what you want on YouTube. Oh boy, all right, well, I mean, yeah, yeah, we can fiddle that off. Okay, that was a weird weekending we left that for. I mean I wanted to fiddle it off, and then you made me pose. I was trying to think of something to end it with. But do you want to end it on? We've already said it, You've already said the F word. And hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Things I Learned last night. 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Become a Patron and Get Early Access to Ad-Free Episodes: https://www.patreon.com/tillnpodcast Rudolf Diesel invented an efficient new engine that revolutionized transportation and industry. But his life ended abruptly under mysterious circumstances. Diesel was born in 1858 in Paris to German parents. As a young man, he studied engineering against his family’s wishes. After working on refrigeration systems, Diesel became fascinated … Read More