Ida Wood – Millionaire Hidden in a Hotel for 24 Years

07-18-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's up, dude? Have you ever heard of Idlewood? Speaker 1 All right, I would. I would. Well, if I knew it would tell you, but I don't. I don't think I know. If I knew I would tell you, Speaker 2 I would tell you. Yeah, that's weird. That's a weird like, it doesn't feel right at all. What? Whose idea would Ah, okay, so um, where to start this story speaking Speaker 1 of theft, I I was looking for my package. The other day, I bought two new job hats. Speaker 2 We literally 15 minutes ago to start recording this episode. Jared went on a long tangent about something and we used Unknown Speaker something. Criss Angel. Unknown Speaker We said cut that part. Let's put it in the after the fiddle. Let's save an Speaker 1 ad break for like, can we do an anti ad for Criss Angel, please. That's how much I hate this guy. And she goes over my dead body. I don't wish anyone's demise. Unless I have a rich relative I don't know, then I hope they perish. Hey guys, welcome to treason anonymous. Don't worry about what's going on in there. Doesn't get it don't worry about it. Things I Learned last night Speaker 1 and then we start we're like, let's restart. Let's start it up as said, here we go. And I'm glad you brought it up. Because I was looking for my hats today. And I look at my security camera footage. And this woman straight up stole my package. She sees the camera. She goes, Oh, backs away is if maybe the camera didn't get her reaches around the corner and grabs the box and then just walks through like it's her box. And you see the whole thing. She didn't walk through like it was her? Oh yeah. She's like she got up on her foot. And so she lives and she can't she can't balance without her arms. flailing you don't talk about so she's walking like, Unknown Speaker Yeah, she looks like one of the toys and Toy Story. Yeah. So Speaker 1 if you're in Kansas City, and you see a limp and Lady, take out her other leg for me. Yeah. Take her down. She's got my hats. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Wearing a hat. That's way too big for her. Speaker 1 Here's what I'm saying though, is that that lady doesn't realize that she stole from a psychopath. I don't got anything to do. All right. I got a day job. We're gonna leave here right now. Yeah, I want to be home looking through my people. Waiting honor. You know, saying? And here's the thing a lot of people don't know about me. I'm dangerous. All right. I'm not physically I'm a herder. What are you gonna do on your porch and just say, cool hat. No, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put $2,001 and an air tag in a box. And I'm gonna let her steal that she's gonna be a felon. All right. I'm gonna ruin this lady's life. I mean, more than she's stealing packages on porches. Why her? Life's not great. Yeah, and I'm gonna make sure it never is. You know, it's like I'm Speaker 2 I'm gonna keep it there. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm happy you found a new passion. Well, Speaker 1 I love having an enemy. And right now I have to Yeah, who's the other one? Criss Angel Unknown Speaker I got all my stuff out of the way. Speaker 2 Sweet. On March 5 1907 or 1931. Sorry, way off on the date. March 5 1931. Speaker 2 Okay, call me crazy. That's all pilots do. Great. At the Herald Square Hotel in New York City. A door on the I think sixth or seventh floor opened up into a room that has not been opened in 24 years. And why 93 year old woman who with a hunchback and half clothed, ran down the hall yelling that her sister was dying. Speaker 1 She comes out of that room. Yeah, we were the doors napot open for 24 years. Well, it's been open, but the room hasn't been used for 24 years. Why hasn't the room been used for 24 years because their sister Speaker 2 died in there. 24 years ago. Now. Is that what happened? Well, you Speaker 1 did say 1907 which is 24 years before 1931. So you mess up. You mess up some dates here. Let's do it again. Did you do it again? Speaker 1 March 31 No March 7 March 5 March 5. At 3119 3093 year old woman comes running over door that has not been open for 24 years. Do you want to start over? Let's start over Speaker 1 what happened? So So she comes running out half naked he comes. Speaker 2 I don't know, I actually don't know if the answer that everything I just said that said I've quote. Nobody took the time to specify. Okay. See, that's the problem with journalism in America. Speaker 1 Yes. You're really trying to get away from it. That's fine. Just go on with the story. Just for cover. Unknown Speaker I've recovered. So hey, she goes, I know you're Unknown Speaker new to podcasting. Speaker 2 She goes, she goes down the hall yelling that her sister was dying. And she needs help was dying, actively actively dying can. And so the hotel employees are like, Okay, what room and then they were like, Oh, weird. I thought there was a ghost in that room. Speaker 1 She was, yeah, it's been me. For 24 years. Speaker 2 We've been trying to get out. So you get a doctor. The doctor comes and her sister does end up passing away. And then everyone was like, Hey, where'd you come from? Because you know, this room like we none of us have ever seen you before. We've been looking working in this hotel for 15 years. None of us have seen you. We don't know who you are. And she's like, Oh, I'm Ida wood. And so they got back in there. Unknown Speaker Oh, sorry. You should have said that to begin with. Speaker 2 And so they go back into our system. And I guess while they don't have a system, they go back in their binder. Yeah, they're a little. They put their white gloves on and open up the binder. Yay. And they find it what? Yes, she has. Speaker 1 She's just not paid rent for 24 years? Well, no, she has been in Speaker 2 the hotel for 24 years. paying cash, sliding it in an envelope and a slip in like a like the cash. Whatever box. No one seen her though. For 24 years, she's been paying for this room Speaker 1 or collected the cash. No, they collected the cash. Speaker 2 But everyone was just like who aren't like you would think that someone's been in this room for 24 years, the staff would probably start to get to know them. You know, like kind of like a sure like a Suite Life of Zack and Cody situation. Yeah. But not this one. And Speaker 1 has she been in and out of it, though? She leaves she gets groceries? Speaker 2 No. So there were a couple of maids who would try to change the sheets? And then they would refuse? They would say no, you can't come in here. Unknown Speaker And who would refuse Unknown Speaker either word and her now dead sister. Speaker 1 So you can't come in here? Yeah, there was a new seller was in there? Well, they Speaker 2 knew but they didn't know who she was. And they knew that room hadn't been open for 24 years, or they had they hadn't had access to Unknown Speaker 24 year old sheets. Speaker 2 I mean, there were occasions where she changed them. And she did. She would there was a there was a specific hotel manager like a night manager who was like, Yeah, sometimes. Like, I'll go up there and ask if they needed anything. And then they let Speaker 1 me in and we played poker and I drink into the night with them. But other than that, I don't think I've seen her the whole time. We would. I guess we've never exchanged names. She's always just a friendly old lady. To me. Speaker 2 She's always just been room 555. And she's like, every once a while they ask for crackers, bacon or eggs or something like that. Unknown Speaker It's a hotel. This is a hotel. He's Speaker 2 paying a nightly rate. Yeah. Yeah. For 20 years or 24 years. Yeah. And so they they go and fish. That's pretty much all it is crackers, fish, bacon and eggs. It's like all they're taking. And so they after this whole thing happens. They were like, Hey, we need to probably go check out what's going on in your room. And she's like, Oh, Speaker 1 don't worry about that. Don't worry about what's going on in there. It doesn't get fine. Don't worry about it. Speaker 2 So go up in there and and they're looking through a room just kind of chatting with her while they while they do it. She's Unknown Speaker like, Yeah, so like, what Unknown Speaker do you do for a living? Unknown Speaker She's like, Oh, I work remote. Unknown Speaker Yes. 1931 What is she doing? Speaker 2 And so they're going through a room. And they're talking to her. It's like an episode of Hoarders. There's crackerbox everywhere tell it's a two room suite. So it's how big of a hotel Oh, the hotel. Hold on. Let me look at this picture of it. I can only see half of it. But it looks like it's at least six stories. We're gonna picture size. Good size. Yeah, it's a decent it's New York City's Manhattan. Okay, but 1931 So not I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's not today Manhattan, but I would say it's not like a bed and breakfast that she's saying 1931 Manhattan is probably like today, Columbus, Ohio. Unknown Speaker Did you know what that London Unknown Speaker London took to Oh, Speaker 1 yes. No London is the same like square miles as Springfield, Missouri. Did you know that? Unknown Speaker I so much that I say that in the Springfield episode? Unknown Speaker I did you say that before that. I hate Speaker 2 that you're trying to act like I didn't already say that. What are you talking? I hate you so much. You're the worst person I've ever met in my life. Okay, well, we can move on. We don't have to do whatever this bit is Speaker 1 sorry for giving you relevant information. Okay, Unknown Speaker you know what you do? What episode was that? Was that Springfield? Unknown Speaker What are you typing? Oh Speaker 2 my god. Okay, so that's made me so irrationally mad. Speaker 2 And they're talking about and they think this lady's see now, because they're asking her questions. She's 93, right. And she's got a hunchback. She's mostly blind. They're talking to her. She's talking all about her life. And she's like, she's like, Yeah, you know, back in the day, she said, we live. I mean, we Speaker 1 here in the day, we lived here 24 years. Unknown Speaker Now she's talking like back Speaker 1 in the day like she knows. She knows all their names. Although she was Jeffrey. I was here the day you got hired. Let's just do your report. And I was here that day. You did that thing. You saw no one saw. But I did. And I was here the day you died. Ah 1984. Jeffrey Do you pray? Okay, Unknown Speaker so she's talking about her life. Unknown Speaker She's like a typical old lady. We have a picture of her. Unknown Speaker Well, I got a picture of her when she's young. Let me see if I can grab a picture or when just Unknown Speaker put it in a I make it old. Make it all. Just make it all make it all. Speaker 2 Okay, here we go. I mean, this one's still kind of young. This is the oldest I can find. I'm pretty sure this is still like probably honestly, probably before she even moved into the hotel this like she's still relatively young in this in this photo. Hold on. Okay, one. Speaker 1 Oh, man, so she moved in 1907. Yes. She lived there for 24 years. Yes. They have record of her moving in. Which day and night? Oh, yeah, that's what I was kind of picturing. I mean, like an older version of that, for sure. Yeah. Speaker 2 So is this I mean, she's still pretty young in this. Yeah. This is the oldest I can find her. So she's she starts telling them stories of her life. Okay. And so this is the life story that they pieced together this conversation from her Unknown Speaker wherever she in 1912. Speaker 2 The war? Okay, no, so she was born in New Orleans. Okay, in January 1838. She grew up from a father who owned a sugar plantation, a pretty wealthy life, childhood, but she wanted more. She didn't love her experience in New Orleans and wanted to see the world and experience different things. Sure. And so she moved to New York City, where she said, I want to find myself and influential businessmen to marry Yeah. And so she started get yourself a Unknown Speaker sugar daddy, Ida Ida. Speaker 2 So she started buying like the equivalent of like, Forbes magazines to find out who all like the male influencers were like the business influencers. Speaker 1 Okay, which is the 19 What years this? She's doing this, Unknown Speaker this is now 18. Like the early 1850s. Yeah, Speaker 1 I mean, that's like, that's like your Instagram explorer page. Yeah. Yeah. Unknown Speaker Let me see if I can find any, like, Unknown Speaker see if I can find any entrepreneur angles. Speaker 2 Yeah. And so she finds this man named Benjamin wood. Okay. Benjamin Wood was the owner of The New York Daily newspaper. Which interesting sidebar about him real quick. He bought this newspaper in 1860. And in 1861, the US federal government banned it and stopped him from doing business Unknown Speaker because he knew too much. Speaker 2 Well, because they believed that he was allowing Confederate spies just say it's to put codes in the paper and like the advice columns, and so they shut him down and And then 18 months later, they let them open business backup. And so okay. The paper after it opened back up was pretty successful. Unknown Speaker Well, yeah, I mean, it led to the war. This paper did the war codes and it was like alright guys time to start. Speaker 2 So he was running this paper and the paper was a major paper and he was very successful. Sure, because if it was floated in all the eight circles in New York, right, he was informed exactly what it was called. And so she popped them off a letter. And what, cuz she knew she knew she had no way to actually meet this guy. Yeah. What Speaker 1 do you what do you like, if you like pina coladas? Similar caught in the rain. Another Unknown Speaker concept, very similar concept. Speaker 1 I mean, wow, to be like a rich guy in the late 1800s. And just get like, fan mail. And you gotta have your like, was that picture included in it? You're like, whoa, okay. Well, it's I mean, unis. It's DMS. Speaker 2 It's the same thing as DMS. But it's you can't like you don't have a general tab. It's not as a rapper too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's what she said. Haven't heard of you. Often. I'd venture to address you from hearing a young lady, one of your former loves speaks of you. I don't know who she found that speaks of him. And he said, she says, she says you are fond of new faces. I fancy that as I am new in the city, and have an affairs day corps that I might contract when people read Speaker 1 our stuff. 100 years from now will sound pretty stupid. Yeah, probably. I mean, but like we sound less educated than the people who write in the early 1900s. Yeah. You know, do you think people will sound even dumber than we are? Speaker 2 I mean, if no history continues, trending the way it's trending, then yeah, probably Unknown Speaker no cap. She's risen in this letter. Speaker 2 Yeah, long story short, essentially, she's saying, I know you're married. But I'm down. And I think I look pretty good. So Florencia, are you interested in handleless Mary, like she straight up says, are you interested in having an affair? Did Unknown Speaker she say in the letter she said, How does she work? Well, she Speaker 2 said, I know that as I am new in the city and and and affairs day, cool rare that I might contract and be agreeable in intimacy with you have as long duration as you see fit to have it. Unknown Speaker She's like, Hey, Speaker 2 she says, I believe that I'm not extremely bad looking. And then she says, If you'd wish, in the interview, address a letter to number Broadway PO Box, New York stating that what time we meet. So she literally was like all of you. Oh, yeah, all of your mistress. And so he, Unknown Speaker lady, I got a line out the door. You know? Speaker 3 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this, and you want more of our show, we've got plenty of other episodes. One of my favorites is action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers. And they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey, it was a wild story. But we did a whole episode about it. And I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. Speaker 2 So they meet in a park a couple of weeks later, and they have a 10 year long affair until his wife dies. Speaker 1 This isn't exciting anymore. He's like, Yeah, it's kind of over for me now. You know, like, it's, Speaker 2 they met, they met and she was 20 he was or no, she was 18. He was 39. And so they have a 10 year long affair. And then his wife dies and they get married. A sidebar by the time they got married, they already had a child together. That was she's, like 10 years old. And for some reason, people just did no, that was very, not okay. It was very, very taboo. And so Speaker 1 people don't mean like it was okay. But I mean, like that a lot of people do that you think have like whole second families, third families, maybe. Speaker 2 I mean, probably, but I mean, people probably did it. I don't know if I'm gonna say a lot of people. But it was it was a very taboo thing. And everybody, especially in the 30s when newspaper articles started coming out about her, said that was really weird that nobody cared that they had a child before they were married, especially before his wife died. And so that was a weird thing that happened. Yeah, but if you got enough money, I guess you could do anything. So they get married. And he his newspaper goes from good to great and starts being like The tarp paper in New York City is a huge deal. This is like the what? 1870s. Now 18, early 1880s. Yeah, he runs for Congress, Ronald Reagan era. Era, he runs for Congress and he wins. And so he becomes a congressman. Oh, and serves two terms as a congressman. And now she is dancing with princes overseas and like hanging out with Abraham Lincoln. Like legitimately, like, living like a Royal Lifestyle. Speaker 1 She's not hanging out with Abraham Lincoln. She's seven in the 70s. Yeah. In the 80s. Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, no, no, this was early on. Oh, this was earlier. Unknown Speaker I was gay. I don't know. Yeah, cool. Speaker 2 Well, important part of the story is that everybody was listening to his story was like this lady's see now. This stuff happened. This is her story that she's telling everyone. And so she's in so she said that she's living this high life. She's doing all this stuff, but her husband Benjamin, he had a gambling problem. And Speaker 1 this guy's got a lot of vices, then. Yeah, mistresses gambling. Speaker 2 Yeah. Greed. Sure. veterancy Speaker 1 Yeah. No, I just got like, yeah. Hey, guys, welcome to treason anonymous. You know, you got to admit you got a problem? Yeah. My problem is that as hate this country's Speaker 2 America. Yeah, I went to this camp. I was like a men's night. And I nailed my Confederate ideals to the cross. Speaker 1 Told right and we did that. Reagan tells me, she goes, yeah, when I used to have like a bad thought I would just visualize myself writing on a piece of paper, crumpling it up and throwing it a trash can. And I was like, that's funny. Funny. Similar. We wrote on a piece of paper and nailed it to the cross. She goes, No, not like my sins. And I said, Yeah, we didn't either. We just wrote down. Stuff that we felt bad about it. Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah. Because you don't want to put your real sins there. Oh, yes. Someone looks Unknown Speaker faster. It's gonna look. Speaker 2 Yeah, one kid did that. Yeah. Didn't turn out. Well, Speaker 1 that was the coolest trick that Criss Angel. Piece of paper out and it was all my sins. Like, whoa. How'd you do that? Criss Angel. Yeah, and then he was murder though. I was like, I haven't done it doesn't look to me. He looked at the screens. The camera anyway. Now Yeah. Unknown Speaker And then in memoriam came up Unknown Speaker I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna walk down the wire. I hate Criss Angel. Speaker 2 So So he becomes a congressman and he he's got this gambling issue. Okay. And they have two very different relationships with money they're rolling in right now. Speaker 1 Here's his gamble, try to make more. Well, his Speaker 2 is is just who cares? I mean, we've got plenty of it. They, their wealth at this time was estimated their net value at this time was estimated to be somewhere equivalent today of around $61 million. So they had Speaker 1 a lot of money. We've proved that her husband exists, though. Like we know, he's a real he's a real guy. Speaker 2 He's a real guy. Yeah. And every person she's talking about talking about is real. And so she, but she was a saver. Like, she was very frugal. She didn't want to spend money. She didn't want to blow money. Sure. She had nice things, but she was conscious, you know, like, careful with it. And so her his gambling problem really bothered her more than all the others. Literacy, you know, Speaker 1 to other kids, or their mistresses nine other family he's like, Yeah, but I mean, like, I vetted him. Yeah, but yeah, Unknown Speaker we did interviews. We had those around. Unknown Speaker For round process background checks, approved them. Speaker 2 Yeah. What am I supposed to do? The investors wanted this. Speaker 1 I mean, one of them was a diversity hire Sure. Unknown Speaker No one's buying our paper anymore. I don't know what Speaker 1 you want me to do. We got what do you want me to do? Turn to gambling. We're the Speaker 2 business. So they make a deal. They say. He and her will split half of his winnings. Anytime he wins in gambling. She gets to take half of it and save it hide it away. Unknown Speaker And the other half he gets to float. Speaker 2 Yeah, he has to eat all of his own losses though. That's not coming out of those their savings. Okay, so she said But let's set aside $2 million of that times money off of his earnings. So he developed a problem. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, is he have people coming after him then? Probably Okay. All right. And what kind of gambling is he into? Is he into like the stuff where like, you don't you know, he's not playing slots and winning $2 million. He's doing too much. You got someone showing up at your house and being like, hey, Speaker 2 yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, he wasn't gambling. He was fixing presidential races. Yeah. Last you got Unknown Speaker a guy showed up my grenade. You know? Speaker 2 And so, so this is this going on there or whatever, you know, certainly 1901, he dies. Good. And so she, she now takes over what's left of his fortune and the company. And so she starts running this newspaper company, and doesn't really know what she's doing makes a few bad hires, makes a few bad fires. The paper is struggling a little bit. And so in 1903, she decided to sell it sells it for $350,000, which is equivalent today about $8 million dollars. Okay, so a pretty sizable sail. And then just kind of floats for a few years doesn't really do anything, just kind of surviving off of the money. And then in 1907, there's the great financial panic. So there's a run on the banks, everyone's pulling their money out. It looked like there was going to be a major crash. And so she goes and she empties one of our bank accounts, which had a million dollars and it takes a million dollars cash, puts it in a net bag, the security guard described her as being very frantic, as probably most of the people were during the bank run. She took out a million dollars cash. And then she checked into this hotel and never left. And that's the story she gave the the people at the hotel that were examining the room and so the room was a mess. It was in squalor. How much Speaker 1 is is not rent, how much is the fee? Everything. I Speaker 2 mean, this is the early 1900s. So like, I got to think less than $10 at night. She's telling this story and they think oh, this lady is just you know, none of this is true. Sure, because because it looks like an episode of Hoarders. There's trash all over this room. The sheets are dirty. She's it doesn't look like she's bathed in weeks, except her faces weirdly immaculate. They asked her about it and they're like, You look like you haven't aged like, you're how old are you? She's like 93. They're like, what's your skin routine? And she actually said, she literally said she said, Oh, a couple of weeks a couple times a week. I'll ask for some Vaseline. And I just rub it into my face for a couple hours a day. Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, no, every week, there's this new invention called Dr. Pepper. And I just sit over the tub and I douse myself and I waterboard myself with Dr. Pepper. To the point where it almost reminds me one that life is fragile. And to my skin feels flawless. Unknown Speaker So you're going to take a bath or Unknown Speaker the doctor said baby Unknown Speaker I feel great. Unknown Speaker So the room is disgusting. Speaker 1 And her boyfriend just got dead sister in their two boxes everywhere. her dead sister was on the floor and no one's picked her up yet. Speaker 2 Yeah. Well that's that's an interesting sidebar as well. As Unknown Speaker they said Don't touch her. Speaker 2 She said she kept talking about the three of us in that room. It was only two Unknown Speaker Oh no. So her daughter, what do you think about that? Unknown Speaker Wow, really good insight, Chris. Speaker 2 So allegedly, her daughter was also staying in that room with them. She also checked in so it was her sister and her daughter that checked into this resist the stepchild. Yes. Okay. And in 1924 Her daughter passed away. And so her daughter got sick, went to the hospital died in the hospital. Okay. But as far as they know, they didn't leave the the other two were like, Yeah, you should go to the hospital. She died there. She never came back. And I'm just like, I guess she's dead. Why Unknown Speaker wouldn't they leave the room? Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know. And so there's a lot of questions here. Everybody, everybody that's working at the hotel is like this is a strange story. Okay, don't believe it for a second. This lady's lost her mind. None of this. She crawled in the window. Yeah, sure. And so they take her downstairs, they give her one of those blankets or something and she's hanging out by the fire truck. Unknown Speaker At the end of every good movie. Yeah. Speaker 2 And they're looking through her room. And in the shoebox. They find $480,000 in cash. And they said, Unknown Speaker Hold on, wait. Hold on. Speaker 2 So they start looking a little closer, and then they start finding In the cracker boxes, $10,000 bills, $5,000 bills, a gold necklaces dollar that like 40,000 hours in that day's currency, like just so much money everywhere. The place literally overflowing with cash and expensive clothes and jewelry and things like that, but it's like hidden within trash. It's all covered in Vaseline. They've tried to count the bills within just slip it out Unknown Speaker I think there's 400 1000 Here, I don't know, Speaker 2 kick out. And so they've quickly say, hey, we need to take you down to a different room. We're gonna put you in a different room. We're gonna have some doctors take care of you. You're gonna say here, she couldn't understand it. She was frustrated. She thought, you know, steal my money. Yeah. And so but they take her down there. And Speaker 1 typical 93 year old. Is that what you're about to say? I was gonna say, typical 93 year old Speaker 2 say the typical experience of when like, someone gets put into a home to do this. Fine. And but everyone's like, No, we need to. We need to help you. And she's like, No, I'm fine. I can Unknown Speaker find like your your fried chicken is not the Speaker 2 same. Yeah. And she's like, she's like, call a job. Ask a job and like, Speaker 1 like, he's kidding. He's not answering. He's Unknown Speaker he was in the hotel with me for 10 years. Speaker 1 Oh, really? Okay. That's good to know. Yeah. Speaker 2 Um, and so, one night one of the like, while she's asleep. There's a nurse like tending to her and notice like a weird lump on the side of her dress, and reaches in there and finds a bag with a million dollars cash under her dress dress hidden under a dress. She's got a Unknown Speaker fanny pack. Yeah. Unknown Speaker She's got a supreme fanny pack. Unknown Speaker This is this is on top of all the money Speaker 2 of this is on top of all the money up there. And it should be noted that this laser drug lord, this is before the 19 and 1967. Speaker 1 Since 1931. Yeah, so this is like depression. Speaker 2 Yeah, this is the depression. This is the he has $1.4 million ours catchy stuff in this hotel room. But yeah, it should be noted that she was able to hold a lot more because in 1969 in 1969, Nixon, as part of the war on drugs, got rid of a bunch of large denomination bills. So back then they had $1,000 bills. What $5,000 bills? $10,000 bills. No, yeah. But as part of the war on drugs, because it was that guy, it was really easy. I think that's Polk. If I remember Chase, JP Morgan. Unknown Speaker That's what I'm saying. Who is that guy? Speaker 2 I don't know. I thought it was Paul who was on the talk. That's Madison. That's Madison. I swear to one of them's Paul, that's Cleveland. Customer one of those poke. Unknown Speaker Well, you're dumb. Maybe Unknown Speaker this is JP Morgan Speaker 1 Chase. Who Yeah, Google, who was who's on the on? Speaker 2 But they stopped No way. They stopped them because because they were well, because they were easier to launder money with. Unknown Speaker Well, yeah, it was huge amounts of money. Speaker 2 Okay, so Salmon P Chase is his name. He's the most accomplished politician our nation's history that never served as a president. So he was a governor from Ohio. And he was he was the second Yeah. Unknown Speaker His name is saving like Unknown Speaker the fish salmon Chase. Yes, exactly. Cool. Cool. Cool. Unknown Speaker This is my son tilapia. And he was Speaker 2 he actually served as secretary of the treasury of Abe Lincoln and became Chief Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. So he did a lot. But he was on the $10,000 bill. Speaker 1 Wow. Who's the other guys? 5000 That's what goes to show you know, at the end of the day, doesn't matter how much you do if you're not President. No one will care. It really and that's why it means so much to that guy. That's why he had to do it. You don't talk about Speaker 2 Yeah, I know you're talking about hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it, and you're enjoying chillin, you've been around for a little bit, I want to invite you to be a part of our Patreon. We have a Patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our hosts and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out we get to know each other we eat pizza. It's a blast, along with a bunch of other benefits like merch discounts message on your birthday like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, like That guy here just kicked out. We love you. Thanks for checking out. Dylan podcast. How do you how do they get it though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh dang, we're doing Yeah, Speaker 1 they can text Tillandsia 66866 Thanks, Jared Speaker 2 Alexander Hamilton was the 1,000th. Who which it looks like it says Cleveland in the picture, but the this says Yeah. Oh, wait. Unknown Speaker Okay. Alexander Hamilton still want to bill? Speaker 2 Oh, okay. And so later they replaced it with Grover Cleveland. On the $1,000. Okay. $5,000 had James Madison. Anyways, so they had higher denomination bills. The 5000 Unknown Speaker No, $5 bill. Unknown Speaker Abe Lincoln, right? No. George W. George. Unknown Speaker Yeah, the five is Abe Lincoln. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Who do you think? Speaker 1 I don't know. Who's on the tin? Can't I can't remember a single bill right now. Unknown Speaker Here's a $5. Bill. Speaker 1 Washington. Right. And then there's apparently Lincoln. And then there's Speaker 2 the 10 is Hamilton Hamilton. Yeah. It's also Hamilton. And then the so they moved on. They moved on from the 5000 to the 10. The tornadoes mass. Unknown Speaker I can picture him right now. Jackson. Speaker 2 I think you're right. No, it's Jefferson. Jackson is Jackson Jackson. Yeah. But anyways, this is how she was able to have this much cash liberally on her person because there were $10,000 bills. She had a million dollars with the 10th. One is Harriet Tubman on. She was Unknown Speaker Wasn't she like to save Speaker 2 money? I want to say she was. Yeah, it was a $20. Bill. Unknown Speaker Were those are those in circulation yet? Speaker 2 I don't think so. Okay. Anyway, yeah. So that's how she was able to have so much cash on her because she had $1,000 bills. Okay, and so $1,000,000.10 $1,000 bills. It's different ballgame. Unknown Speaker How many? Is it, Tim? Speaker 2 I don't know, like 24 years. Would you just say, like, 24 years? I think 97. Okay. So everyone's starting to say, oh, maybe there's something to this story. So this hits the news. Sure. And her family starts coming out of the woodwork. Everyone's like, Oh, grandma. Oh, yeah. It was 380 people laid claim like got lawyers laid claim and said, hey, yeah, we're heirs to her fortune. We should take over and yeah, be control of that. And so she goes Speaker 1 over my dead body. She was all fight all of you. She did they set it up? One on one. Okay, five 300 People Speaker 2 70 line on knockout. She Speaker 1 fought 293 of them. You know talking about? Yeah. Because I mean, 86 they watched? Yeah. 86 Slowly it was like it was like, it was like the Pharisees were Jesus. Like, why don't you throw a stone? And they one by one. They all they watched this lady? Kick 292 And they were like, yeah, Unknown Speaker how much money is it again? I don't know. Speaker 1 Doesn't seem super worth it. I don't know. So a bunch of people are trying to claim her money now. Yeah, so before she's even gone. Yeah, she's still here. And that was such a sad thing. Reagan's grandma does this Reagan's grandma's 99 years old. Every time we go to the house every for i We've been together for five and a half years. Yeah. And since the day I've met this lady, every time we're there. Every time we're on the phone is well, this is my last Christmas. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. You know, at this point, we're like, no, it's probably not. Yeah, you're gonna be hereafter. I don't know, good beat, Speaker 2 but probably not. And so this massive legal battle begins of people trying to lay claim her money. Sure. The two largest groups that actually have like a stake in that are the woods, her husband's family and her birth family, the Mayfield's, who were the sugar cane farmers. And so there's a big legal battle that lasts a couple of years. And in the court throughout the course of this legal battle, she's her house starts to really decline. Yeah, a lot of people think that it was close relative. Yeah, the stress of the situation because obviously there's the legal battle over money, but she also was removed from her home. Her sister's gone. Her sister died. She was removed from what was home to her for 24 years. And they moved her to a room the floor below directly below the room directly below her so she likes hunger when she could hear her room. Unknown Speaker She still talks to Speaker 1 her room was speaking to her. No, I meant like she could hear like footsteps in her room. Unknown Speaker The room told me you guys weren't being cut into it. Speaker 1 Yeah, that's where I feel like well, my neighbors upstairs slam a door and I was like, I never did that. Speaker 2 Door. I never did that. Yeah, cuz you used to live there. Yeah, yeah, the room still speaks to you does. And it doesn't like the new people and new people. Speaker 1 They told me does it like they told me I told him I saw him in the parking lot as a hey, man, you know, I live in the old I live upstairs for you. And I said, Yeah, I used to live there. If you get any packages, let me know also Speaker 1 the room doesn't like you. Excuse me What? The room doesn't like you? Which room? Unknown Speaker What are you talking about? Speaker 1 Also, if you see a lady with a limp, walk around, where you let me know. I'm a tackler. It's all Unknown Speaker new meaning to step on her. Unknown Speaker She's got a boot on her leg. I'm gonna I'm gonna stop themselves. I'm gonna stop on your toe. Speaker 2 So this legal battle is going on. And she ends up in the middle of the lean, legal battle dying of pneumonia a year after they found her. And so then now the legal battle has legs because now it's like, okay, well, someone's giving somebody money. Yeah. They ended up digging into her finances, they find $20 million tied to her hole. And so these were in other banks that she had not liquidated. And that's in that day's money. Yeah. So just bonkers cash. And so there's a legal battle begins. And attorneys for the state are like, okay, we're taking this over, we're gonna start to investigate and see if we figure out what's going on here. Sure. So they they start digging. And this is the story that they unravel. Idlewood was born in New Orleans in the 18. What did I say? 30s. Sure, her birthday was was correct. She wasn't lying about that. But she was not born to money. She was born into poverty. Her parents were immigrants. And they had nothing going up. And she hated it. She hated her childhood. She hated being poor, and she wanted to change it. So one day in New Orleans, she went and she saw a palm reader to find out, is it worth it? So she goes the palm Unknown Speaker of my life for what? What do you mean? Oh, I'm here to find out if it's worth if what's worth it going on? Continuing? Anything at all, Unknown Speaker the palm readers said there's a really good room and your future. Unknown Speaker No, that room likes you. Speaker 2 So the palm reader reads her palms and says, Oh, you're a very lucky girl. You're gonna meet a wealthy man. And your life's gonna change for the better. And so she waits a couple years for this Unknown Speaker crystal lady told Reagan that's how you know it's crap. Unknown Speaker And so, so she waits a couple years, she's Speaker 1 met a few rich people, but I had decided to interview. Yeah, I became her like, No, you can't date that guy. Speaker 2 You have to date me. But you're not rich. And Unknown Speaker she didn't want to for a while. Is this scenario? No, you have to date me Speaker 2 have to date me anyway. So so she waits a couple of years. And no Richmond come into her life? Yes. Why would they? She's in New Orleans living in poverty. Like, where? What circle is she just going to run into a rich guy. So she starts to realize that and she says I need to take matters into my own hands. And so she packs up and she moves to New York. And she says, I'm going to read meet a rich man. When she gets to New York and again realizes the same scenario. She's like, there's no way I'm gonna just run into a rich dude. And so she starts buying those magazines and shopping around for a guy do that. Yeah. And she finds Benjamin and gets into this affair with him and they actually do get married. And they had that child, remember? Remember, you remember? Well, they did it. That child was not their child. That child was her sister. And she convinced her to move in with them and tell everyone that that was their kid that they had out of wedlock and legally change your last name. So that way they can move it. How much younger is her sister? It was like a younger younger sister. And so but it was young enough to where it like made sense in that relationship. Okay, so this this girl probably moved up there like when she was, I don't know, five or six. But they had been in their affair for like 10 years and so Robin like believed that Oh, sure. You guys had that? Oh, you guys had that kid? Yeah. But it was it was her sister. And they literally Speaker 1 changed his name. It wasn't even her sister. Oh, sister wasn't even five or six verses was 36 years old. She's just so small. She convinced the state of New York that she was a child. She got put in the foster system. And then adopted went through a whole thing put her through the fire like we got to put her foster has to be believable. We got to be heroes. When people say what have you done? I was adopted from foster care. What have you done? Speaker 2 That's an important detail. Her name wasn't even either. What it was Elena wash Walsh. Ellen Walsh. Yeah, she changed her name to Ida live when she got to New York. Where she married Benjamin would Yeah, she made sorry. She changed her name to Ida Mayfield. Cuz she she was Alan Watts. She just picked a rich family from New Orleans and said that was my family. And so when the Mayfield's gotten the legal battle, they just found out they're like, oh, this they always have to be like, that's our inheritance. Yeah, that's us. Unknown Speaker I guess now is a Walsh's are like Oh, hold on, hold on. Speaker 2 Let's get a throw our hat in the ring. Yeah. Oh, Unknown Speaker I would love to find out I've got like a rich relative somewhere Speaker 2 and then everything else was totally true. Like they had that socialite life and they went and the attorneys tracked down a lot of the people that she talked about having relationships with everybody including a bleak it was like oh, yeah, she was great. Speaker 1 Hey, he's like, you know my memories kind of foggy. I'm trying to think about it, but there's just my memory. Unknown Speaker Matt's got a lot of holes in there right now. My memory. My memory is so foggy. Remember, he's got a lot of holes. Unknown Speaker Sometimes if I put myself in like a movie theater, I can see Unknown Speaker I can picture I can picture. Unknown Speaker It. Yeah, we spent like 10 years in that hotel room. Yeah. Speaker 2 Pretty foggy. But it's there now. But she was she was this important socialite figure in the New York subculture of the time. And everybody knew who she was. And she was very significant in the late 1800s. Yeah. Up until her husband died. And she took over the newspaper and then disappeared for 24 years. No one is exactly sure why she got the hotel room. What the leading theory is that she saw what was happening to the economy. And she was a very frugal person who was scared of losing her money. And she said, I'm going to hide. And so she took all the money she could so she could have it in her personal Speaker 1 look out. Firstly, people are, you know, people will? For no reason. I mean, yeah, they're crazy. Unknown Speaker I mean, the second everyone found out she had a lot of Unknown Speaker people trying to take the money. Yeah. So she hid Speaker 2 herself away in this hotel room, and she called up her other sister was like, hey, change your name. You're moving into this hotel room with me. And they literally they didn't leave. They stayed in that hotel room for 24 years. No one saw them. Even the hotel like didn't recognize most of the people in the hotel didn't recognize them. They outlasted most of the people in the employees. Yeah. And then she died. And, and so the attorneys were like, Okay, well, who is the rightful heir to her fortune then? And so they went to she had no living relatives in her immediate family. Okay, they concluded that they don't think the woods were rightful heirs to her. Because she married him. Yeah. And so. So what they decided was they would give it to the heirs of her grandparents of her like paternal grandparents in Ireland. Oh, and so all of them just get a letter. And they dispersed it across 20 families, so 20 Different families that were going to disability in Dallas never knew about her. Just got a million dollars in the mail. Speaker 1 Again, I don't wish anyone's demise. Unless I have a rich relative. I don't know that I hope they perish. Can you imagine? Like, oh, hey, you're I can't imagine it's all right. All I can do is imagine a dream and hope. You know, Speaker 2 like, you get a You get a letter from the US government that says we regret to inform you that your great aunt Ida has passed away after a hotel for 24 years. Anyways, here's a million of her dollars. That's what Speaker 1 I wish ancestry.com had is a how wealthy was this relative? You know, I would love to know on the 23andme chart where we're at. I'd love to know if we look up ancestry.com I would love to know which generations squandered our wealth. Unknown Speaker Yeah, which one of you? Which one of you suckers Speaker 1 we came from? Like, this was in Queens, and then there was freaking Bart and Bart Brut drove us into the ground. He had an idea for a liquid ice cream and you're like, dude, just sweet milk. You're doing your part. sweet milk. Speaker 2 Good, though. It was good. He just didn't mark it right. Should have called the sweet milk. That was That was weird. Everybody's like, I don't want I don't want part sweet milk getting parts. parts, parts sweet milk. And then he had savory flavors called Bart's broth. Come on, man. On the mind, I did the thing. I pulled my ear buds. I pulled my earbuds out. And so I couldn't hear how I couldn't hear how far away I was. Unknown Speaker Oh, I knew you chipped your tooth. Shut up. But half of your friends. Speaker 2 I'm not gonna believe you on that right now. I see through you. You're trying to pull some Mindfreak on me. It's not going to work. Unknown Speaker We're about this. Sorry. Well, Speaker 2 anyways, that's either wood. Oh, that's the end. That's the end. Yeah, that's the end of the story. She she died. A lot of people got her money. And her story was pretty true. mostly true is true. Everything that she told was true. Except for the part she lied about because she's Speaker 1 like, you find her in that last year. Life is so annoying. But like you find her right. And she tells you the whole story. And at the end of it if I'm her I go Why would I have $20 million. And like, lie to you right now? I haven't limited this look at where I live. Speaker 2 Yeah, look at it. Why would I lie? Why would I Why would I say I had all that but I mean that's that's the thing. Like people would be like I Okay, you got $20 million. Anybody would look at that and say why are you lying to me? Okay. But she's just tell the truth. And it's she she said on the world. One of the things she said on the way out of the hotel or on the way out of the bank the day she got on her way out on the way out of the bank the day she got her hotel was was I'm tired of it. That's what she said that she said a bag of a million dollars. She said I'm tired of it. I'm sick of this. And then she just stayed in a hotel room for 24 years. Wow wishes. Wow. So the lesson Speaker 1 What do you think they did up there? Because it was 90 they didn't there wasn't like TV there was no video games there's rub Vaseline Unknown Speaker and there was really nothing to Unknown Speaker do count on their money. Yeah. Speaker 2 Eat crackers. They said that they said that they set up like a little kitchenette in their bathroom that they were cooking food on. Unknown Speaker Which Why would you do this? Speaker 2 I don't understand it. I don't understand. It's crazy. Man, but survived. survived the great panic of 1907. And I mean kind of the Great Depression she died in the middle of it. That's the crazy part is that those families in Ireland in the middle the Great Depression, just crazy. Yeah. Surplus man wild stuff. So that's a story about a wood. So yeah, do your ancestry start looking for someone rich in your air ancestry and lock them in a hotel room? That's the list. From this week's episode rich person. Your rich Unknown Speaker Hilton honors points. There's free breakfasts and check out is never Unknown Speaker Yeah, you're gonna be here for the rest of your life. You're Unknown Speaker gonna die in this room. Unknown Speaker Do they do that? But Unknown Speaker hey, the room likes you Speaker 2 like it? Can you? What's the cut off? If you're not at an extended stay? Like motel like if you're just had a normal mode Hotel? Is there a point where they're like, you've been here too long? Like, I feel like there's got to be a point like if you went to a Holiday Inn, maybe not a Holiday Inn but maybe like a Lowe's you went to a Lowe's Hotel. How long could you stay before they say sir? You've been here too long. Unknown Speaker I don't know. I tried that. I tried to stay at a Lowe's for a long time. And they kept asking, they're like how are you? Today here? I was like retirement. Oh please fiddle this off fine Speaker 3 things last night is a production of space Tim media produced by Christian Taylor audio is edited by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic design by Caleb Goldberg. Our hosts are Jaron Meyers and Tim stone please follow us on social media at tilam podcast that's ti LL IN podcast, leave a review, comment, subscribe, wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


In the annals of extraordinary stories, one that stands out is that of Ida Wood, a millionaire woman who chose to live a unique and secluded life in a hotel room for an astounding 24 years. Ida Wood, a name that has intrigued many, holds a captivating tale of independence, mystery, and pursuing a life that defied societal norms. Let’s … Read More

Edward Bernays – Freud’s Nephew and the Reason You Eat Bacon

07-11-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's going on? Have you ever heard of happy July 4? Unknown Speaker That's Unknown Speaker like a week because the last one that was tricky. Unknown Speaker Okay, have I ever Unknown Speaker heard of why July 30? Happy July 13. Unknown Speaker How does that make sense? The other one came out on July 4. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I think it was the day like I think it was July 4 weekend. Oh, no, wait, this is July 13. July? No, July 11. Yeah. July 11. Okay, yeah, so the dates are wrong. Even more wrong. I was looking at the you know, whatever. Hey, man, Unknown Speaker we tried so hard to be organized. Speaker 2 You ever heard of Edward Bernays? Speaker 3 Bernays? Bernays? Is he half responsible for mayonnaise? Yeah, Speaker 4 he's responsible. He is definitely a part of mayonnaise. Yeah, Speaker 1 but his idea was a little different. He thought he roasted his mayonnaise. And like it was like a charcoal and he Unknown Speaker was roasting Speaker 4 What do you do with your mail brown mustard? dripping on you're gonna say out Unknown Speaker your nose. Unknown Speaker No, that's weird because mustard dripping out your nose right now. Speaker 3 I you know people will judge me for saying this. But nothing exfoliate those little feet. phalanges like a good old pack of mustard. That the store bought stuff. You gotta get a pack. Unknown Speaker Did you see a tweet yesterday about that? None. Unknown Speaker Theme Song. care what context that is. Unknown Speaker This scenario, Unknown Speaker Jim Paul Rudd is actually Ant Man. Speaker 5 Everything about him is a little dirty and gross. And is probably a lot of not everything. He Speaker 3 showers a lot. There was no need for us. And I tricked you. You silly idiot. Things I Learned last night Speaker 3 How does feet mustard? Go to Okay, Speaker 1 okay, so have you heard the news about this nun that they I guess dug up? And she hasn't aged at all. Speaker 3 So you're talking about that? Yeah, she hasn't aged at all. She's been dead for four years. And you were like, show me the toes. It's pretty funny. Speaker 2 I immediately was like, Oh, if you don't know the context of this, that's a really tweet about a four year dead. Speaker 3 Sea the toes on that GAO? And you know what, Tim? It's none of your business. I paid for the 89 your business Unknown Speaker nine out of here. Okay. Okay. Edward Bernays. Unknown Speaker Edward Bernays, Speaker 1 yes. Yes. Edward Bernays. He was he. He is the self proclaimed and other people proclaimed but originally so. Okay. Father of PR. Okay. And he is he is really he's, he's the reason Unknown Speaker 50s and 60s kind of guy are well, I Speaker 1 mean, yes, but also before them. I mean, he was also after then. Speaker 3 Yeah. He didn't just come into existence for like 10 years. But is that the time era that his like? Career was, I think, Speaker 1 I think his career. I mean, he was still in his career then. Okay. I think his career was probably the most notable. I mean, I guess then to he had a long career, a long career with we'll get into, but here's the reason why you eat bacon. He's the reason why women smoke cigarettes. He's the reason why Guatemala doesn't have a democracy. Unknown Speaker He's an influential person, Speaker 1 arguably one of the most infamous influential people of the 20th century. Speaker 3 So if you see some lady smoking at a stoplight, yell at her, you go hey, that's Edward Bernays fault. Thanks. Brene thank Bernays for your lung cancer. Edward Bernays brown what? Unknown Speaker Brene Brown Speaker 4 Oh, sorry. That's you're going for? It just hit me and I couldn't Speaker 1 not let it out. That's fine. Okay, so Edward Bernays he he okay. He was born in New York, his two parents from Vienna what's what's via Viennese VN, vn via net Speaker 3 Austria via nets. So sausages are they call everyone from Vienna is just sausages. Unknown Speaker Here's the thing about here's a sausage. Unknown Speaker Oh, I didn't know that you were sausage. Unknown Speaker I'm sausage. Sausage do Unknown Speaker I love our sausage heritage Unknown Speaker we are bold, saucy Unknown Speaker with a Vienna sausages, Speaker 1 he's his. He was twice Sigmund Freud's uncle or nephew, Sigmund Freud. He was twice his nephew. Let me explain. Please. His mom was Sigmund Freud sister. Okay. His dad was Sigmund Freud's wife's brother. Unknown Speaker Oh, so there was nothing Unknown Speaker bad there everything Speaker 3 to learn about Sigmund Freud explains everything else I knew about Sigmund Freud. Every new thing I learned, actually just add to it and makes it make more sense. You know, there's nothing that I go well, it's shocking came out of nowhere. It's all like, oh, you know what? That actually because, you know, that still doesn't make all the sense. But it makes more sense than I did before. Speaker 1 Yeah, that what this means is that there was a moment we're talking about Unknown Speaker family. Freud, you know, Unknown Speaker Eli Bernays is his dad was dad, his dad. Yeah, there was Speaker 1 a moment where Eli and Sigmund both were like, Hey, man. Can I marry your sister? And he's like, dude, me too. Okay, Speaker 3 so hold on. Okay. So. Okay. So, Eli, married Sigmund Freud sister. Yes. Sigmund Freud. Married Eli sister. Yes. Speaker 2 So it's like, I see your eyes tracking the family tree. And I gotta I gotta go. I gotta go. Yeah, so it's Speaker 3 like, if, okay. Okay, that makes sense. That's not super weird. Speaker 1 I mean, it's, it's weird, but it's not so not as weird as Speaker 3 the twins that married each other. It could be one of those people exist. Two sets of twins that married are married to each other. They didn't. I mean, two boys two twins. Twins. Twins, guys, twins. And then twins, gals. Twins, guys. They were like that. Yes. Yeah. So what's crazy is that their kids are genetically also twins. But it's Unknown Speaker the same though. But they're just not twins. Unknown Speaker What do you mean? I mean, no, no, no. Unknown Speaker It's the same thing. It's two sets of siblings. It's not though that married each other. Unknown Speaker No, it's not. I guess it's Speaker 1 one set of siblings. wait all night is the Speaker 3 right it is right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right, man. Unknown Speaker This is so complicated. Speaker 3 Do you think that they had a joint wedding that they were like, we're not gonna do this twice? Like, yeah, Speaker 1 we don't have to be. Well, yeah. I don't know. I don't know when they got married. I couldn't tell you. But Speaker 3 who got married first? Because one of them married their sister in law. Here we go. Speaker 1 Let's find out. So Sigmund Freud got married on are in 1886. Okay, no exact date here. Let's see his dad. She got married to him with a Peter doesn't say. Speaker 4 We'll assume after. Well, yeah, it just Yeah. It makes it feel a little better Speaker 3 if it's what year was Edward born? Edward? The person we're talking about, right? Speaker 1 Yes, yes. He was born at 91. Speaker 3 So around the same time, they likely had a joint big old family gathering, you know? Yeah. Yikes. They're like, listen, I know you guys are getting married. You guys are dating. How serious is this? Can we just want to just wrap this up? What is here? Speaker 1 Yeah, we could do we could do your wedding now too. And then Speaker 3 I hope that happens in mind when we do our because we haven't. Well, by the time you listen to this. Hopefully we're still married. Yeah, it happens. Hopefully it works. What would have happened? Hopefully we're still married. Yeah. And a half fell apart. Yeah. Whatever time but anyway, maybe maybe when we go to get married. We'll also try to get are just going to peer pressure your friends into getting married at your wedding? Yes. Okay, is that not seeing the most on brand thing to do? Okay, so siblings, married siblings, siblings, Speaker 1 siblings. And obviously, being a nephew of Speaker 3 can't believe you weren't more mind blown about the twins as well. I'm a little upset. Unknown Speaker I've heard of this. And also it's the same concept Unknown Speaker except for it's not because they're twins, and that's way weirder. Speaker 1 It is weirder. Yeah, it is weirder. But the thing that Unknown Speaker fascinates me is that genetically their kids Speaker 4 are twin. That is really interesting. Okay, what do you think that's, Unknown Speaker that's you know what? That's all I wanted him Do you think? Unknown Speaker Do you think Edward Unknown Speaker and his cousins were genetically? Unknown Speaker Siblings? Siblings? Speaker 1 Let's test it. Do you think do you think Edward and his cousins were genetically eels? Speaker 3 figured out where they came from inbreeding genetically. Fish, kinda. Yeah, it was an awkward day when she gave Unknown Speaker me so many of these I cut off my marriage. Tell me this where they came from. So she's just a ball of eels wrapped around. She's got a little eel crib that she puts him in. Unknown Speaker Got this big eel Ed Unknown Speaker my best friend don't marry your sister. Speaker 3 All right. It's so stupid. If you're new to our show, sorry. Well. So Edward was born in the late 1800s at 91. Speaker 1 Yes. And, and he he you know, he did his youth. Right. And then he graduated college. Sure. And he became a writer for The National nurserymen journal. Which I haven't been able to find much about their subject matter. Trees. Speaker 3 What trees? Think so? Yeah, like a tree nursery? Unknown Speaker Oh, no, I was thinking like, nursery rhymes. I Speaker 3 know. Yeah. That's stupid. That's because you're, that's because your IQ is so much lower than mine. But like Speaker 1 and so he worked that job for a little bit. Okay. And then he went on to a job at the review the medical review of reviews and dyadic and hygiene. Does that have 1912? Speaker 3 I'm so I'm so glad that Brandon got better. And where do you work at? Oh, yes, I work at the Medical Review of reviews at the dyadic dyadic and hygienic raising canes. carwash. Okay. Speaker 1 Um, this this does that took strong positions and favors of showers and strong positions against corsets. That was what they were known for. And Unknown Speaker got to be known for something Sure. Unknown Speaker They sway public opinion. Speaker 1 They are the reason why people take showers when stopped wearing corsets and everyone started showering more regularly was Speaker 3 on like an intentional like branding thing or the editor was just super passionate about Unknown Speaker this. He was like he's like Speaker 3 starving in the streets. People don't know what to do with this the world the redness is crumbling. And he's like, Yeah, this freakin corsets that these women are wearing. Yeah, if we Unknown Speaker can get the women out of the corsets and into the Speaker 3 women out of course sets in the shower and prayer back in the school. Day your priorities are just top notch brother. Speaker 1 So he was working for the these people influenced him as what I'm what I'm trying to say, okay, he learned a lot of things. He started showering more, he started showering a lot, like six times a day, it was a weird amount of showering. And so he became a writer for them learn a lot of things. And then guess what happened. Speaker 3 I don't know, the core set industry came back and was like, Get out of here honestly, Speaker 1 really close the war. And he was hired by the commissioner said he was hired by the Committee on Public Information or the CPI, which is the precursor to the CEA. And so, he was hired by them and they were like, Hey, remember, hey, if you are Speaker 3 listening, by the way CIA, FBI, cool jobs. I'm open. You know, like, I'll leave my career behind. Speaker 1 We haven't looking for brand partners, please. Yeah. If the Speaker 3 CIA's podcast advertising, Speaker 2 please let us know. But until a.com/see Unknown Speaker and use promo code Unknown Speaker stupid. Why would we work for the CIA? Oh, I'm Unknown Speaker saying if they want to Jason Bourne me I'll do it. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Have you heard the conspiracy theories that like all those Jason Bourne type actors are actually CIA agents. Yeah, yeah. And that's their cover is that is that oh, everyone knows them as the agent. So they're like, Oh, he's doing agent looking thing. He's just practicing for a movie and then they can ship a Speaker 3 movie. So you're telling me, You're telling me you see Matt Damon somersault into the Tropical Smoothie Cafe. And he shoots three people and then jumps over out the back window. Yeah. And take it over on it and you go, he's practice. Oh, he's practicing. Keep your chops up. Dude. I saw you know, three people got murdered. My mom's dead now. But Matt Damon was practically giving it a shot. Yeah, dude. Practice. Well, the Unknown Speaker idea is that Speaker 1 you're hiding them in plain sight. And so everyone sees Matt Damon like, oh, he there's no way Matt Damon's the spy in this situation. And you're like, you're like we're pretty sure someone here is spying on Speaker 3 you or in government? Yeah. Matt Damon sits down across from you. And you're like, I'm totally safe because this is Matt Damon. Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, Matt Damon, can I have an autograph? And then he slips you some chlorophyll? Speaker 3 Do you know Paul Rudd is actually Ant Man none of here's the thing though. None of the other Marvel heroes are real. But Unknown Speaker for some reason, Speaker 2 I also I also real quick before we move on, I need to I need to make this very clear. Speaker 1 I just misspoke. I said chlorophyll. I know. It's chloroform. I said chlorophyll. You don't have to come at me. Sure. You don't have to come at me. Unknown Speaker Hey, that's fine. Late. That's fine. Danielle, I'm looking at you. You Unknown Speaker don't have to correct me and that's great. Speaker 3 It's just, you know, you know the difference because you're Unknown Speaker because my IQ Unknown Speaker spy. You're not a spy. Speaker 2 Gotta see a.gov/dylan.com.com/zone.gov.gov.org. Unknown Speaker So, I don't know how we got here. Speaker 1 So the CPI hires them. And they were like, hey, there is a war going on right now. And the entire world is a part of it. Sure. Here's the deal. The American people don't want to be a part of it. But he's one Yeah, but they're like here's the thing. Unknown Speaker We need them to be part of we Unknown Speaker want to be a part it's a war we want to be a part in your Speaker 3 spin World War One. Yeah, that's what they're asking. Yeah, they were Speaker 1 like can you get public opinion on our side? And so he started a propaganda campaign convincing people that the what was happening in the war was an actual issue that Americans needed to be concerned with and they needed to go fight to make sure Speaker 3 they're gonna go out there and we're gonna kill those on showered corsets were in world people. That's pretty close. Speaker 4 Basically, conducted this this big psyops campaign they're dirty Speaker 3 and unnaturally small tire Corp said, see what you look like as a real man. Unknown Speaker Show me how thick your ribs really are. Unknown Speaker Idea of all these soldiers wearing corsets just Unknown Speaker kept razor I can fight better? Unknown Speaker No, that's what they want us Unknown Speaker to do is to look bigger. Make makes us smaller targets. Stupid? Unknown Speaker How does he swear their houses for the public? Speaker 1 So he just convinced as he runs these series of propaganda campaigns, convincing everyone that what the access was doing was an actual threat to American life. Yes, and or was it? debatable, but did he convince everyone? Yes, we joined World War One. And then at the end of the war at the Paris Peace Conference. He had like a speech that he talked about where he talked about using psychological warfare to get Americans into the war. Speaker 3 And why did he give this speech? Because he was this? Why was he like, Unknown Speaker here's what we did. Speaker 3 At the end of this war that we've won, it's time you know, there was no need for us. And I tricked you, you silly idiot. Speaker 1 Well, no, he talked about he used the word propaganda and he talked about the influence that it had on the war and the ability for the allies to come out victorious in the war. Unknown Speaker Okay. Speaker 1 And is that look, I did it. Well, I think the reason he did it is because all the businesses in in the US were like, give me that guy's number. Sure. And he will, he did put a spin on it to say, Hey, this is not just a wartime thing, this can be used in peacetime. And he talked about Speaker 3 you know, what, if you're having trouble selling your products, Unknown Speaker propaganda propaganda Unknown Speaker now we just call it influencing. Well, he talks about, he talked about Speaker 1 when he was a writer for all of his cassettes, that there were these. What's the right word for it? Inappropriate plays that were trying to make it into Broadway. But the American people who were like kind of in charge of Broadway, like that's dirty, we don't want your dirty plays in our Broadway. Like Amsterdam place. Yeah. And he was a part of spinning public opinion and getting them to be like, hey, we want to watch your dirty place. Okay, Broadway was like, Okay, fine. You could bring your dirty plays here, too. And he's like that worked in peacetime and also got us into the war. I worked in wartime. It can see there's, there's precedents for this. Sure. And so he became a bit of a bit of a mogul, hiring just about every significant business. sure about the rest of the 20th century. I want to take a look at a couple of his most notable campaigns that he did, because they are interesting. I mentioned I mentioned bacon. He he did this campaign for the pork Unknown Speaker industry. Speaker 1 Not specifically for I mean, I guess, technically, for the pork industry there. It was a company that sold bacon, so they're like the last one is the pork industry. Okay, but he he was hired because they wanted obviously to sell more, more pork, but people at that time, we've talked about this in a recent episode. They didn't. They either ate just kind of leftovers from the day before. Or they ate just like coffee and nothing else for breakfast. They didn't eat they it was whatever. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you'd like this one, we've got a lot of great past episodes that you can check out. One of my recent favorites is Frank Abigaille, Jr. It's the dude from the movie cast me if you can, and it's the story about how he scammed everybody into really big scam. There's one scam that's like the scariest of scams I've ever heard someone scam. So check that one out. It's a fun one. I like it a lot. But thanks for being here. Speaker 1 What he did is he was like, he's like, we need to convince people that breakfast is something that's important that you need to do. Sure. And so what he did is he went and he just caught a bunch of doctors and was like, Hey, Unknown Speaker I know why. Okay, he's just like, I've heard sorry, that's what Coca Cola does. Unknown Speaker It was like, I've heard a call. Not in this. Speaker 3 Okay. But that's what they do. Whatever they pay doctors to say that their products are not as terrible for you as they are. Yeah. And they've been caught doing it over and over. Speaker 1 Here's, here's, here's what he did. Here's, it's it's a loophole. It's a loophole. Because what he did is he would say he went to the doctor, and he said, Hey, Doc, he said, we've got Speaker 3 how much bacon could a person eat before it's not good for them? Probably six slices every morning. Great. Doctors say six slices every morning is good for you. Is that? That's Dr. Phil right now, Unknown Speaker five slices of bacon is good for you. Unknown Speaker Is that when you said six? Unknown Speaker But that's closer? That's closer. Speaker 1 What he said is he went to doctors and was like, Hey, I've heard that when you sleep. Your body uses up all the energy that you had left. And so when you wake up, you need to replenish all of your energy. Is that true? And they were like, well, yeah, you are going to need to eat something, get some calories and you because you know, you don't have any you were fasting overnight. Okay, it's like, okay, so we need to break that fast. And we need to eat to replenish that and they're like, Yeah, and it's like, Would it be true then, that the more you eat, the more energy you're getting yourself to start off the day with a higher amount energy and they were like, yeah, and he was like, can you get? I don't know. 4500 other doctors to agree with you on that on a paper. And his doctor was like, Sure. And so the doctor went 4500 Can you Speaker 3 be at 4500 of your closest friends and peers to sign a paper for that? Small ask? Hey, I got a tiny favor. Speaker 1 Just a tiny favor. This is a really small thing I want. But if you do it Speaker 3 number one, I watched your dogs a couple of weeks ago while you're out of town. Yeah, great. This here's how you can pay me back. Unknown Speaker I was gonna go away weird Speaker 1 gonna say with 40 501 doctors who signed said, hey, it breakfast is before 201 Because he got a Unknown Speaker great 40 501 Speaker 1 Doctors say that you need to eat a big breakfast in the morning. And what's the best big breakfast? Oh, I don't know, maybe pancakes and bacon. And so you started this brighter breakfast campaign about how you don't have any any energy when you first wake up in the morning. And the reason for that is because you slept, you slept all your energy away. So eat a bunch of bacon, eat a bunch of pancakes and get all your energy back Unknown Speaker and smoke taste. Speaker 1 And here's here's the interesting thing about this. Not long after this. He was hired by Kellogg's and he started the breakfast as the most important meal of the day campaign, which in in a weird twist of fate. That campaign almost went against this because that campaign was like we're eating too heavy of breakfasts. So he was the reason why that campaign that other campaigns so he did Speaker 3 so what he did. Hey, breakfast is huge, yet. Yeah, here's the solution for how big breakfasts are. Here's a solution for how sugary breakfasts are. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the way to build a the only way to build like an inner like a huge enterprise like that is to keep creating problems and solutions. Speaker 1 Yeah, you keep creating these issues and solving them. Another one that very similar to this before we move on. He did um, Betty Crocker's like instinct cakes. Okay, Betty Crocker came to him and they were having a hard time selling their instant cakes. And at the time, the original recipe, it was literally just a powder in the water. You just mix the powder with the water, you got it. And he came to them. And he said, take the eggs out, but then put the eggs in. And they were like, a why? And he's like, here's the deal. He said you're trying to market this to women. This is like the 30s you're trying to market this to women. And he's like women he's also Sigmund Freud's nephew said women. They want to know that they're bringing life into something and so they can symbolically add eggs and bring life to their family. Unknown Speaker And if we can go back in time Unknown Speaker and it worked. That worked. I think Speaker 3 I think the reason it works is like bring life into your family Viator aches later Speaker 1 later on in the autobiography and 90s when he said what he said is he said I think the reason that word is because the powder and the water felt lazy and women wanted to feel like they were that's something yeah at the time he said it's because they want to provide the but which Speaker 3 is weird in retrospect I was thinking you want you want your kitchen to look like a mess so that your kids feel like you did something like Speaker 1 Oh, she made us this cake when really you just put some water on some powder and well I think that's Speaker 3 why some of these meal kits work Yeah, no yeah the frozen meals or whatever if you get the ingredients and like they teach you how to make all this stuff like you feel like you Speaker 1 made that meal like I did this not you me Unknown Speaker Yeah, and that way you get food poisoning it's your fault Unknown Speaker but anyways, uh so I told Unknown Speaker my doctor he could do that thing that he liked Unknown Speaker why people aren't going away from Alaska come right back what is your Unknown Speaker say though? Speaker 2 I said I told my doctor he can do that thing they like yeah didn't finish Unknown Speaker the thought and you Unknown Speaker okay you're you did Unknown Speaker we're here. Put a finger up and you go Speaker 3 we're if we can slow ball playback the look on my face. Whatever you talk, Unknown Speaker he could do that thing that he could do that thing that that was supposed to forget it. This scenario Unknown Speaker this is the series finale of our show. That's the last just roll the outro Unknown Speaker okay Unknown Speaker all right, keep going. Nice to Unknown Speaker see did Unknown Speaker I'm crying. Oh my god Unknown Speaker okay, so Unknown Speaker are you tired today? Speaker 2 Oh I'm so tired. You look like it. Yeah. I saw my daughter yesterday Okay, so the next client Speaker 1 is next client was Liggett and Myers Okay which one of the manufacturers of the Chesterfield cigarettes okay. And their competitor Lucky Strike was going out and hiring famous people. You might call them influencers. Yeah, to smoke their cigarettes everywhere. And it wasn't working great for like an admirer is because obviously, they're compassionate. You know, we can't get the famous people. And so. So what he did is he made this campaign that basically just made fun of Speaker 3 all famous people. Smoking was as big as it is. Yeah. Yeah, Unknown Speaker it was a huge deal. Speaker 3 I told you, they're no fun. I think Well, I think in 40 years, we'll look back at social media the way we look at smoking right now. Yeah. Where it's like, Yeah, crazy. Anyway, go ahead. And why don't we let people do that? So he's started making fun of of Speaker 1 so yeah, he found all the actors and actresses that they had smoking cigarettes, found the likes, and he just made them look stupid. Like he just put out articles where everyone was like, that's a dumb actor. Like and so wait while he swayed public opinion so then the actor Yeah, that that Speaker 3 you get a brand deal. And then this guy works for the other company and now he's gonna slander your name just to sell more cigarettes. What are you talking about? Speaker 1 Yeah, and so lucky strike saw this campaign come through. Speaker 3 So you're saying because I just did like freakin Eggo waffles on Instagram. Waffle Toaster Strudel. Oh, are gonna come after me? Yeah. Like Pillsbury. He's such a nerd over he's gonna be like, actually, here's something problematic from 2007 The Jared did Speaker 1 yeah. You don't want anything to you don't want to be like that guy. That kind of influence or you want to be like, you're Unknown Speaker gonna ruin people's careers. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 And so lucky strike saw that campaign. And they were like, call that guy. And they were like, Speaker 3 we like that. They were I like that. You did that? Very funny. You're Speaker 1 like, that was a great guys a great campaign. That was a great campaign. How much what's your rate? What's your raid? So they stole away from Liggett and Myers? Speaker 3 Right. The sprint guy? What he used to be the Verizon Speaker 4 urinal. And his his contract expired. And then he went to sprint. Yep. Smart. Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if they had exclusivity deals at the time. Probably not. But there probably was like, hey, like, I'm not gonna hire you. If you're gonna be like that. Like, if you're gonna be working for them. You're not gonna be working for me. Sure. You know? Unknown Speaker What year is all this? Speaker 1 This is 1927. Right. Okay, so we're in the 20s. Yeah. And so, Lucky Strike hires him. And lucky strikes. Like, here's the deal. They were like, look, some women smoke cigarettes, but very few most women. We need all women is wrong. So yeah, most women won't smoke cigarettes because it's seen as not dignified for the woman to smoke a cigarette. And so they're like, We need them to start smoking cigarettes. We've got a few issues with it. Speaker 3 He's like, have you tried adding eggs? You tried taking the ace? They want to bring life you know? Let them crack an egg over a crisp new pack Unknown Speaker I'm making cigarettes Speaker 3 it's gross. Put in your pocket all day. It's gross. Speaker 2 just wants to dried egg on the outside. Oh, gross. Yeah, so rambled. So he Unknown Speaker started, he lost a few campaigns. So the first one was he he started Speaker 3 what better way to start your day than with a good old cigarette Speaker 1 there at the time was not the most important Breath Of The Day. Unknown Speaker He was holding their breath when they wake up just for getting on and they go Speaker 1 so he did a couple of things here at the time. The there was beauty standards, but there wasn't a standard that like you had to be like super thin because remember, people just stopped wearing corsets. And that was the only way people were thin before right so there wasn't like a like control now there wasn't like a control your IQ thanks for listening, control your weight, like, standard, you know, people would would just pack Speaker 3 it in with the source and create the body mass index. He went and Speaker 1 he started this campaign that kind of influence people that oh hey, I need to lose weight. And he got he got doctors and everybody arguing that like being overweight was bad for you. And so he didn't Speaker 3 I was actually not overweight until I started eating all frickin bacon for breakfast. Speaker 1 And so he kind of created this beauty standard and then he went out and he created this ad campaign where he said reach for a lucky instead of a sweet and so basically saying Don't grab a cookie, don't grab that cake. Grab a lucky cigarette, because it's not going to make Speaker 3 cake. Or to keep cylinder I reach for lucky instead of a sweet Yeah. Speaker 1 And yeah, that's that's a that's an influencer that they got on the ad. Here's a more slightly more pointed version of this same campaign. Unknown Speaker So opposed to you five years from now? Speaker 1 Yeah, it's supposed to make you make you thin. If you're smoking cigarettes, you get thin. Here's the problem now. People weren't buying lucky branded cigarettes. They're buying every other brand of cigarettes. Because lucky. You'll notice from this picture has this bright green branded box. Sure, green at the time was out of style. And so it didn't match any women's clothing. It clashed with all the ones Hey, and so Bernays came back to lucky and said, hey, you need to reprint all your boxes because the green is clashing with women's style right now. And they said we've printed way too many of these we can't we can't reprint that many boxes. That's millions. And Speaker 3 sometimes they are I gotta get him on board for green greens like money. So he Speaker 1 went and he threw this Gala in New York. And he invited all the who's who Speaker 3 of pop culture. So I'm saying dude, I got the brain for this. Speaker 1 And he told them all the word green and he told him he scheduled an event right before the gala started and at the at the gala, like a high relevant about why green is the superior color this season. And like this whole thing and had like all the big newspapers present to write about how everybody was wearing green, and then launch this campaign with women smoking the cigarettes wearing green, and Lucky Strike blew up. It was the women's brand of cigarettes. They match and match the in color. He made green the color. And because it matched then it blew up. But he wasn't done yet. He wasn't done yet. With the with the there was a Easter Sunday parade in New York. And he said that he's uh, we need to put the cap on Easter Sunday. And so Speaker 3 Okay, yeah. Easter Sunday is not cool enough. Speaker 1 They had it they had as like, you know how, like, on the Thanksgiving, who's the Saint of Easter Unknown Speaker Easter Bunny. Buddy was smoking you Speaker 1 know, they had like, you know how like a when you go to the Thanksgiving Day Parade, and like they stop every so often. And they do like the marching band thing. Yeah, they had they had at the Easter Day Parade, Easter Sunday parade, they would stop and they would do a marching band thing, but it's a reenactment of Mary and Martha finding the finding. Unknown Speaker somewhere else. Speaker 2 They found the tomb and Jesus wasn't there. And they're like, oh my gosh, I need a lucky branded cigar. Speaker 3 You still found a way to make a mockery of the Bible. That's great. I love that for you, Tim. Wow, what they did was you signed the contract Unknown Speaker Oh, man, Unknown Speaker so he hired Unknown Speaker just a bunch of rich women. Unknown Speaker I'm so disappointed that you did that joke. Speaker 2 That was a good joke. That was a really funny joke. Oh my god. So Speaker 1 you got it. You got a joke that you're trying to make back you got to you gotta want to let me go for it. Speaker 2 No, you're gonna say what are you gonna say? I wouldn't gardener came up on them. And he he was like, I could use lucky breads. You guys gotta like, Speaker 3 you know, maybe it's because I view this text as a holy thing that speaks to me. But if you want to keep making jokes, I'm actually on the side of our YouTube comments. That guy comments as well. I think it's a good joke. Sure. Speaker 1 Okay. So he hired a bunch of rich women. And he said, Hey, wear green to the parade. And also smoke some cigarettes while you watch the parade. Sure. And all around them. All the wealthy women of status, are smoking cigarettes, and they're like, I want to smoke a cigarette. Okay, and took off. Women became smokers. This is Speaker 3 it's so interesting to me how marketing and influencing work and how they've always worked. Yeah, and why we do that. Yeah. But it's also interesting. So I'm actually trying to figure this out now because it's so influencing his dying right now. Yeah. Because it's, there's way too much of it. Like every other account you follow on social media is trying to sell you something now. And so this is just an inside for how my brain works. I'm trying to figure out how to do brand deals. In a way that's like the de influencing videos. Have you seen the there's a whole section on Tik Tok that's D influencing Now have you seen that I've heard of this be influencing is where he's like duetting or GE, or whoever it is. They're they're doing wedding a video. And they're showing you how much everything costs and be like, you don't need to spend this. You don't need this product. This product has nothing to your life does not make your life easier. This is an unnecessary cupholder. For your car. Yes. You have a cup holder? Yeah, yeah. Use the cup holder in your car. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, you don't need a sticky note pad in your car. You don't need a marker board right by your keyboard. You know, saying? Yeah, I hear you don't need counseling. So what you're trying to do is, I don't know what ads are running on our show right now. You don't need. Speaker 1 What you're trying to say is you're trying to take those people are trying to teach people that you don't need those Speaker 3 things. I'm trying. I'm straight up trying to figure out how to D influence you ended by? Speaker 1 Yeah. Have you seen that video? That dude on the airplane, who was using reverse psychology to get no one to sit next to everybody who was walking down the aisles of Southwest? Just like patent? Yeah, Speaker 3 I've done that before. Before. I honestly, at one time, there was a middle seat open between me and a guy in his 50s. Right. Yeah. And there's a pretty girl who gets on and I see him adjust his seat. You know? He's there. Yeah. And she's, she gets to our row. And he was Do you need help putting her back up here? I can get it. And she was like, oh, okay, thanks. Put it back over. Here's that middle seats open. And like made her sit next to us. And I'm like getting the window seat. And I'm just like, she's like, my age. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm looking straightforward. And my only thought is like, how do I get this girl out of this? Yeah, because he's trying to small talker the whole time. Yikes. So I put my headphones in and I let her suffer. So I just hit five guys. And I was like, you deserve a soup. You can't bring soup on a plane. Now she she was pretty good. She put her headphones in and shut it down. Yeah. And I was like, I was like, Okay, you're good. But I just got so panicked for her. Yeah, that Unknown Speaker is annoying. That is annoying. Yeah. So same concept. 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If not, then you can listen to this dumb little ad, because that's how we're gonna get money from you. We're gonna leech from you either way. Speaker 3 We're gonna get paid. We're in this for the cold hard cash baby. Unknown Speaker Anyway, here's an ad. Unknown Speaker How do they how do they get it though? Speaker 1 I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh, dang, we're doing Yeah, Speaker 6 they can text Tillandsia 66866 Thanks, Jared. Speaker 1 It's interesting. You brought up the DEA influencers. And what they're doing is because it it's hard to imagine the world being different than how it is for us because we're always being advertised to. And always being like, everything we watch has product placement in it. You see the Speaker 6 TV that's free. Once it's a free TV, look it up A free TV. Speaker 3 Who makes it? It's a free 55 inch TV. Give it to you for free. But the catch is, is that there's a separate screen at the bottom that just shows advertisements. Unknown Speaker Oh my gosh, are you seeing it? No. Speaker 3 Put up free advertising TV on Google or something. Because it's got a it's got a soundbar built in. And then right underneath the sound bar is a separate smaller screen that just shows advertisements. And that's how it pays for the TV. Speaker 1 like kinda like a like a NHL game, like the like was just like a ticker. Speaker 3 But bigger. Are you finding it now? Oh, here it is. There you go. Can you put it on the screen or something? Because the it's not a smart TV. It comes with like a fire stick or, you know, a smart device. But it's not like any kind of revolutionary TV it is. Speaker 1 I mean, it looks kind of kind of cool. Like, I'm not gonna lie like I'm like. Unknown Speaker Every time you turn the TV on, there's ads at the bottom now. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's what gas tapes are right. Unknown Speaker True. I mean, Speaker 1 no, like, I kind of like like this shows that scores and whether I'm okay with the key ad show me the key I like it's kind of cool to have the scores down there. And the weather. Like that's kind of neat. And for free, Unknown Speaker for free. Unknown Speaker I mean, it's kind of kind of cool. Speaker 3 Really, Tim, this capitalistic nightmare is cool to you. Speaker 1 Kinda, honestly, here's a better looking one. I like it. Is that is that bad? Speaker 3 I think so. Is that let me try to D influence you from this TV. Do it real quick. Do you realize that I'm I'm D influencing you into buying the TV. Unknown Speaker It's kind of cool. Now there's Unknown Speaker fantasy football scores down Unknown Speaker there. And you can scroll over and you can order now through TV. Speaker 1 That I mean, that's cool, though. Is it like you're sitting there you're watching the game. You're like, Man, I wish I knew the score of my fantasy football team. And also I wish I knew how to order some stuffed crust I'd pay nothing for it Speaker 3 so that's that's the idea. But you have like every time you turn your TV on every time you have an advertisement, I don't like that. Speaker 1 I mean, that's no different than now. It's just a smaller screen doing it. It's no different. What's the difference? is the same. Okay, I don't see I don't see a difference that and like if it's free. It doesn't have a webcam though. Which kind of stresses me out. What do you need the webcam for though? Speaker 3 Isn't that a little weird? Yeah. Is it gonna track your eyes and see, I found out Speaker 1 the other day was that I was reading for podcasting. But I was reading this report from this guy who's developing. It's kind of Spotify won't comment on this. But he says he's contracted from Spotify. He's developing an AI that will do host read ads for hosts a podcast. Yeah. And so then when we talked about that, what it'll do is it will use Spotify as data to when you're listening and be like, hey, Jaron, do are you looking for a great place to eat lunch at Kansas City? Try Hawaiian Bros and it's me talking to you as the podcast hosts but because spice says this says your name Yeah, because Spotify knows your name because you have a profile and it knows your location. So it tells you Kansas City and it's like subbing in those words, and if you're in Guatemala, it'll speak it'll speak in your negative language because it's a on your native language voice. Speaker 3 It will speak in your negative language that was so racist. That was so racist Have you wow we got we got them folks right here on the tiller podcast canceled this man Unknown Speaker speak to me in my negative language you Unknown Speaker Is that crazy though sad, Speaker 3 but small brain did if you Speaker 1 use Spotify Premium because it's an IT knows everything about you? And so it's like, it can Speaker 3 show that it is that his marketing tactics? Were really brilliant for the 20s and 30s. Yeah, it's crazy how people responded to those marketing tactics then it is scary how personalized it can become now Speaker 1 what's wild to me. Now I can kind of get it because like we have a preference for was wild to me. Is it back then, at that point in time like you have The wealthy that were buying all this stuff, sure, but the general public they only bought needs then buy wants. Right. And it was Bernays and his colleagues that shifted us into that mindset of, oh, I want that. So I need to buy it. I'm I'm not. Speaker 3 I have another I can satisfy my wants. Yeah, Speaker 1 I have another bottle of poison sauce in my fridge. I need to buy another one. Speaker 3 Buy a bottle of voice or the store. Oh, no. Speaker 1 So anyways, here's my favorite thing he never did, though. So in 1954, there was a company called the United Fruit Company, you know of them today Speaker 3 as the U FC. Speaker 4 I mean, that is a rebranded that is the Speaker 3 UFC. They made a hard pivot. Speaker 2 They were like, Okay, we've been making free forever. But what if now we fought from F word to F word Unknown Speaker from F months, 10 months baby. Speaker 1 Now you probably know of the UFC, they've rebranded as Chiquita, okay, they make bananas, they probably the majority of the bananas, you can do a mix on in your life, they Unknown Speaker bananas are not bananas come from a Speaker 3 banana camp. And so a Catana. Speaker 1 The thing about the United Fruit Company is they got started in 1999. And they were benefactors of a not so great government in Guatemala that was like, Yeah, you can just take money from who or take land from whoever you want. And enslave whoever you want, and do whatever you want with that land. So they gave the United Fruit Company 450,000 acres of land to pay people less than five cents a day. Sure to make fruit. Or harvest fruit, I guess. Plant fruit. Yeah. And that was how their Be fruitful and multiply. That was how their business was successful. They did this for a touch over the years. slave wages. Yes. And by getting land for Super free, well, in Unknown Speaker 1940, our watch ads, but yeah. We'll give you the land. But it goes to the Pizza Speaker 4 Hut. Pizza dad, like what the heck is a pie? I don't Speaker 3 know. Our advisor Edward told us to do it. So we're just gonna follow. Speaker 1 Follow is this lead? So the United Fruit company's been doing this for about 50 years and but in 1944. Guatemala was thrust into a revolution. Sure. And as a result of that revolution, democracy was born in Guatemala, and the new Democratic Republic of Guatemala was like, hey, the way we've done all this stuff in the past is not wrong. Cool. Yeah. And especially you the UFC, you are like the worst part of this country. And they were like, We're gonna buy you've never paid taxes here. But imagine Speaker 3 your oppressor is a fruit company. Like bats. You got to rebel on that. And imagine that history where your grandpa is telling you, we rebelled against the food company. Yeah, Unknown Speaker we we read a cartoon? The money is the bananas. Unknown Speaker Again, yeah. Speaker 1 So the President came back to them and was like, Hey, you guys need to pay taxes. Tell us what your land value is president of Guatemala. Yes, the new democratically elected president was like, You guys need to pay taxes. Now. You have. Now they have well over 500,000 acres of land. And it's like, tell us the value of your land. And they came back and they grossly undervalued their land because they were trying to cheat taxes like $1. Yeah. And so they were like, Okay, we're gonna buy back all your land for that value that you gave us. And so they bought back the vast majority of their land at $2.39 an acre, and the United Fruit Company was real upset about this American company. And they were like, Hey, this is not okay. So they hired Edward to Speaker 3 persuade just the president of Guatemala, get inside of his head, Unknown Speaker mess his brain up a little bit. Speaker 3 Hey, you know, we want our they're laid back. But if you could also, like convince them to smoke some cigarettes with some eggs on it. Speaker 2 Yeah, that would be great. Tell them that yogurt is really good for Speaker 3 Tell him we'll let him do what the doctor likes. And don't elaborate on what that means. Speaker 2 More information. that weird idea. Speaker 1 So the Edward Bernays goes and he starts doing this. This big campaign, okay about how evil it is for a nation to take land back from landholders no matter the reason. And he got this into the school system, he got this into the news. And all of a sudden, the American public is like, yeah, there's nothing worse you can do and in a democracy, then take land back from landowners. And then once he swayed, he turned that opinion. He started writing articles about all the Guatemalan government is taking land from an American owned business. They're doing this thing that we all know is evil, and is immoral. They're taking land from everybody. So now the American people are like, why would they do that? And he's like, it's cuz they're communists. They're not communists. They are it was a Democrat democracy. Yeah, it was Yeah. And and but he's like, he's like they're they're communists. They're trying to set up a commune they're, they're just stealing everyone's land away. And so then, they long story short, influence the United States government to form what was known as Operation PBS success. Unknown Speaker Was I don't know why. Unknown Speaker PBS success sounds like an after school show Speaker 2 PBS success, but S is still that PBS PBS success. PBS Unknown Speaker zags. So you're just stupid. What is the PBS stand for? Pretty Boy Unknown Speaker the boy Unknown Speaker that's a good call back. Unknown Speaker So they go in for pretty boys success. Sure. And Speaker 1 here's what's was Wow. Is they said, Okay, here's what we'll do. We'll go in. And we're going to train 480 rebels, okay to do this coup, and take over the Guatemalan government. Speaker 3 Again, let me ruin an entire democratic system to sell more bananas. Unknown Speaker And so the United States can I Speaker 3 bring up that actor's marriage. I understand. He was selling my competitors cigarettes. Speaker 2 Yeah. My my client wasn't selling enough cigarettes. Unknown Speaker And so, so deeply unethical. Speaker 1 So so the United States Government trains 480 rebels in military Speaker 3 and they said, Hey, go to the river. Drink from it Unknown Speaker since you like Bible jokes so much. Speaker 1 It's so they said 480 rebels and then they said, Here's your, here's your path, you're gonna go straight for the capital. You're gonna take over and they're gonna be like, we bout your your might. But the United State government knew they were like, these rebels suck at war. Soccer rubella. Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna lose big time. And so then they said, Hey, Eddie, we need your help with this. And so Eddie was like, I got you. So Eddie went before they did this invasion. And he did this huge propaganda campaign. And they put all these rebellion posters all over the country of Guatemala, of Guatemala. Advertising that there was this huge rebellion group forming that was underground that no one knew about, Speaker 3 or like a friggin chess club. Rebellion. Tuesdays at eight. We're on posters everywhere. Unknown Speaker Well, I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like, yeah, the Speaker 1 President is trying to take your land, take it back. Like those kinds of posters and branding it, like this rebellion group was really big, but there was no rebellion group. It was just these people, these 480 people that the US trained to send out. And they weren't spreading. They weren't growing. They weren't that big, just 408 people, how many people showed up? Guatemala, the Guatemalan people for a few months was like, this group is growing and growing and growing. I'm seeing their stuff everywhere. Sure. And then Eddie launched a radio station in town, where he was going to broadcast as like the local news thing. And so Speaker 3 the local news thing, what are you talking about? He Unknown Speaker became he became the Speaker 3 alright it's your morning drive to the rebellion. You know, next up, we've got that classic hits. What do you Speaker 1 want? It wasn't it wasn't for the rebellion. He started a few months. to head and became the media in Guatemala, he started this radio station, we Speaker 3 rush limbaugh his way into Guatemala. And everyone's like, Speaker 1 that's the guy we need to trust for news. And then the day of the Speaker 3 so he like, straight up went from marketing to like, propaganda property. Well, Speaker 2 he's not hosting this. But he's controlling this, if that makes sense. And so Unknown Speaker the day of the rebellion comes, and I'm just Unknown Speaker now realizing we're gonna get some pretty weird YouTube to use the rebels, Speaker 1 the rebels invade 480 of them, and they are doing awful, they're getting slaughtered, they don't stand a chance. But then, but the radio station is saying they are crushing them. The radio stations talking about how they're taking over the city, everyone needs to evacuate, everyone needs to get out. And the Guatemalan army surrenders. Because they hear all this news, they've been seeing all these posters. And now they see the rebels marching on them, even though they're clearly losing, like the rebels are clearly worse than them. They surrender. And then they take over the Guatemalan government, and the US puts in a new person that is their puppet leader that then allows Chiquita the UFC to have all this for bananas and continue to pay their workers five cents. And it was a massive success. And then Speaker 3 that's your favorite thing he's done. I just, I just want to rewind and make sure I heard that correctly. Why Unknown Speaker is my favorite Speaker 3 thing he did was overthrow the Guatemalan government. Oh, cool. Well, he wrote he overthrow Speaker 1 the overthrow of the government on this like false pretense it the fact that he pulled it off is what's crazy to me. Like it's crazy, because there was not. It was not through military might. It was not the fact that he used the United States military. There was, in theory, a threat that the US military was coming like that they were on the side of the rebels. But it was the fact that he just convinced everybody in Guatemala that the rebels were winning. And they believed it, which is bonkers to me. Like that's the only reason that that was successful kid. Sure. And so and the only reason yeah, Speaker 3 you get enough people to believe that the government stole something from them. Yeah. Doesn't matter if it's real. If you get enough people to believe it, they'll believe it. Scary times. Speaker 1 So he continued getting hired continue to getting massive contracts lived until the mid 90s. So he was like 103, when he died, GE wrote a bunch of books. But his first book was called propaganda that did not go well, because the name, the next one was public relations, which I'm pretty sure he used that name. He came up with the word public relations. And I did Speaker 3 a PR move here. And I want you to I posted about how expensive weddings are for couples who aren't in love. And it's just so that when people see how simple and basic our wedding is slash was at this point, they're not. They're not like, Oh, no Gerrans poor. So, you know, it was a PR move as a choice. You can be like, I chose a seat at a small wedding because they're really in love. Yeah, Unknown Speaker because they Yeah, they expect to last. Speaker 3 But we're going all out. We're doing the small town wedding thing where I'm wearing cowboy boots. And she's wearing a dress from Ross Dress for a camera. Yeah, you know, we're going all out and doing the little courthouse thing. So. Speaker 1 So he, here's the thing, though, Eddie was not. He is seen as the father of public relations. And he obviously had a lot of these big, big brands that he worked with and did these big right. But it wasn't the only one. But for some reason, he's the one that everyone remembers. And the Speaker 3 arguments because he got in the minds of the public. Well, it's because he Speaker 1 did it for himself. Yeah, he made his own brand. And he did the public relations things for himself. Everybody else in the industry hated him. They're like all he does is talk about himself. All he does is brag about himself. But he put himself in a spot where he was the authority on it. And it worked. He was the authority on it. And then he started getting a lot of pride Gary Vee. Exactly, same concept. The irony of it is, is a lot of what he did, like you said, questionable or Mikado questionable from a moral standpoint. And it's interesting, questionable, Unknown Speaker is it? Is it questionable? Unknown Speaker Is it just like the sea? You think it's debatable Speaker 3 is the the overthrow of the Guatemalan government for the force of propaganda and the use of radio waves and posters and monthslong tactics and it corresponds to the United States government just to sell more bananas at a slave wages price? You think that's like questionable? It's like debatable. You think it's like somebody can maybe like kind of throw around and maybe decide if it was at the corner, Speaker 1 and he was just, you know, that's what the client Well, the customer's always right. Here's what's interesting though, he Speaker 3 he, guys, Bible jokes are funny. He thinks that overthrowing governments is just a good old time, if it's what the game is to the Unknown Speaker boys, right? Speaker 1 He had this this this split in his head, because he Unknown Speaker would go do bananas. Unknown Speaker I just thought that he couldn't get any more banana splits because of the short so we Speaker 3 gotta split his mind was really like he wanted what? Because he wanted Speaker 2 to do what's right. Do I want to connect slit or do I want to overthrow Guatemala? I want to do what's Speaker 3 right but my sinful nature wants you to do what's wrong? That's the split that he's got no, yeah, the Unknown Speaker split of Speaker 1 the things. He was marketing, most of the time he was against, for example, cigarettes. He viciously opposed smoking and his wife smoked, and he hated it. And he constantly complained that she smoked, but he's the reason. And so he had this. He's like, don't you ever wear green? I hate the color. Unknown Speaker He he would do all Speaker 1 this stuff at work and sway public opinion, do his little public relations thing. But at home like that wasn't the same person that he was. And he was able to kind of separate himself from it through a lot of mental jujitsu like this quote, This is my favorite Edward Bernays, quote, Speaker 3 I'm sure it's gonna involve a lot of really bad stuff, folks. It says Speaker 1 you're not really lying. If the lies you tell her to counter other lies. Speaker 3 Yeah, he looks like an information terrorist. Yeah, here's another Speaker 1 picture of him where he looks like this picture of him looks like Walt Disney documentary. Yeah. What she probably did work with Disney, honestly. Speaker 3 So you're not really telling lies, if the lies are to counter otherwise, you're just stepping into the same unreality that somebody else created is basically what he's saying. Yeah, yeah. And so you're just like somebody else muddied the waters. I'm just putting my toes in there. Yeah, I'm just a little bit of mustard on him. Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. So yeah, everything about him is a little dirty and gross, and is probably a lot of the robot Unknown Speaker everything he showers a lot. Unknown Speaker He's a big shower guy. You're right. Speaker 1 But it's probably a big reason why our advertising landscape is so sketchy right now. And so weird. But at the end of the day, if it weren't for him, Unknown Speaker the Guatemala would be a happier place. If it weren't for him, Speaker 1 then your grandma probably never would have smoked. You probably want to have bananas. And you probably want to eat bacon. So should you be thankful Unknown Speaker there's a lot to take in there. Here's where I'm going to tell you that you don't need a fiddle off Oh. Speaker 5 Things are there last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts. Our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jared Meyers and Tim stone falls on your favorite social media platform at Taylan podcast is Ti ll en podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us, and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


In the media and public relations world, one name stands out as the trailblazer who transformed the field and influenced public opinion like no other – Edward Bernays. Known as the “Father of Public Relations,” Bernays revolutionized how we understand persuasive communication. This blog post explores this influential figure’s life, contributions, and enduring legacy. Early Life and Influences Edward Bernays, … Read More

Chickie Donohue – The Most Legendary Beer Run Ever

07-04-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man ah job hats sorry I thought you asked about my hat. Oh, sorry. Thank you too. What's up? Happy Fourth of July. Hey Happy Fourth of July. How do you celebrate by teaching you how do you celebrate Fourth of July 4 of July are we hanging on Fourth of July? Speaker 1 We could usually here's what happens usually we go do something with Breeze family. Okay. They they usually throw like a big thing in someone's backyard and if a bunch of fireworks Yeah, but that's not always on like actual Fourth of July. And so if it's not on an actual Fourth of July then allows him to Thomas's invite us out to the lake. Oh, nice. Yeah. Which you should come I think we invited you last year and you didn't come? Speaker 2 Yeah, all of our family was in for Fourth of July like so. Like we did that as like our usually go see family for Fourth of July. It seems like they're trying to make that the tradition. They're trying to make foliage because it's mid summer. And we did that because my mom's sister was a teacher. And so Thanksgiving and Christmas, you know, wholesale anyway, and everyone's you know, Minnesota, Ohio, the whole the whole fam comes down. So I don't know what's going to happen this Fourth of July. I guess I'll find out today. Our friend group debated on who in our group has the highest IQs and no one disagreed about who was number one. And Tim is pretty mad about that. Is that what you want? Is that what you want to say? That's what you want on the internet. Here's what I don't like sometimes the out of context close to the beginning are pretty things I learned last night Speaker 2 hey, man, so yeah, what's up? What are you gonna teach me? Speaker 1 Have you ever heard of John Chicky? Donohue? Speaker 2 Is Chicky. A nickname or is Chicky Donahue with a last name. Speaker 1 Donna. He was last name Chicky as a nickname, so we could Well honestly, I'm just gonna call it Chicky Chicky Donahue. Unknown Speaker No. Speaker 1 Let me ask you this. Well, actually, I'll just show you some pictures. Do you recognize this man? Unknown Speaker This is tricky. This guy was in my dream. Speaker 1 This is Chicky daata. You okay, he's standing on a boat. Listening. Pictures. Last Name Donahue. And you're probably pretty close. And the pictures in like the late 60s early 70s. He's wearing like a plaid. Yeah, I don't know what kind of little hat that is. Yeah, it's it's kind of like a cross between a chef's hat and taxi drivers hat. Speaker 2 Yeah, it's got a little poop on top. Yeah, it's a little goofy. He's got a shirt tucked in. And I'm glad this isn't the style anymore. Because honestly, you know, he doesn't got the body for it. He's got he's a thin guy. Speaker 1 But yeah, he's got a he's got a little flat tire there. Yeah, spare tire the spare tire tires by tires. The word Yeah. And then he's got a mustache, a very 70s mustache. Very 70s. There's Speaker 2 sort of strange Bob where all the weight goes to square roots, hips or something. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. To need Krabby Patties? Yeah. That's what his body looks like right now. Speaker 1 Which is I saw this on, on tick tock the other day. Speaker 2 Shame anybody? It's okay. I mean, look, look at you know, we've done how many of us 170 something and I've never commented on yours. You know, so I'm not trying to shame anybody. And I could have I could have brought up Speaker 1 here's, anyways, here's Chicky Donahue now, as an oldest Speaker 2 guy, I love him. I don't know where he is. He looks Yeah, he looks at your church. Like it looks like he looks like Santa. But he can't grow beard. You know, say like he's a Speaker 1 here's another picture of him as an old guy. Please don't tell him. It's like terrible. He kind of looks like the villain from holes in this one. Yeah, Speaker 2 but that actor who is? What's his name? I don't know. He's super cute. Like he's super cute. Banani though. Oh, well. That actor is I thought that you were like he looks at that and I was like, oh, because he's like these need like the he's a national treasure. Isn't he like Nick cages dad or something? Oh, National Treasure national Speaker 1 treasure. I thought you said he's a national national treasure. I was like why? Speaker 2 What's his name? dadgummit. Anyway, he doesn't now he does like videos where he's talking to the camera and he's just like, you know our country used to be great. Unknown Speaker I can see that foreign you're like Unknown Speaker wow, I can see that for the for the reptilian was. This guy was a prison guard. No, that Speaker 1 guy. Oh, the movie? Oh, yeah. Here's a picture of Tiki Donahue as an old man with Zac Efron. Unknown Speaker Going on. What is what are we talking about? Unknown Speaker What are we talking about? Speaker 1 Is overshadowing. Okay, so tricky Donohue I'll tell you about you know, Unknown Speaker speed to body shaming. Speaker 2 Did you see when Zac Efron's Netflix series came out and people were like, Oh, I love him with a dad bod. That's exactly what my response was. People were going crazy. Like, look, Google Zac Efron. We Unknown Speaker know I've seen the show. I watched the Google Zac Efron, Unknown Speaker dad. Speaker 1 He did not have a dad rod. Zac, Zac Efron, biceps. That's exactly what Unknown Speaker is that? Are you tired? Oh, man. What's the measurement on his biceps? Unknown Speaker I don't know. I could Google that. Oh, man. Speaker 2 So no, but as I'm saying is like he was he did not have a dad bod. Do you just Unknown Speaker have to? Do we need to go get a license to get this picture on screen? Speaker 2 No, I was trying to his there was a there anyway. He didn't have a dad bought in that Netflix series. He did not know. Yeah, he's still like he's still ripped. He's just not dehydrated. He's just not toned. Yeah, yeah. Which like, which What movie is sick is what it is. You're sick. You cannot live like that for more than like, a week and a half. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's an unhealthy state. Yes. Unknown Speaker So anyway, interesting. That's just what I Unknown Speaker thought DadBod Speaker 2 people were going crazy. Like I love his dad bod. And you're like, you have not met a dad. Speaker 1 Okay, so to get down to you. Okay. To get down to who was I don't like Speaker 2 how excited you are. Just want to put that out there right now. Not a fan of the excitement in your face. I'm trying to think of all this AQa from movies that have come out lately. Unknown Speaker I don't think you've heard of this. Unknown Speaker Okay. Chicky Chicky. Unknown Speaker Chicky Chicky DadBod. Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I do remember that specific. We watch. Unknown Speaker So, to get out of you, Speaker 2 dad, Bob allottee, or whatever it's called. Speaker 1 Dad, Bob Bob. Okay. Okay, so ticky tacky was a dude who lived in upper Manhattan. In the I mean, his whole life, but specifically in the early 60s, during the Vietnam War. And I don't know if you know a lot about history, but let me tell you, in case you didn't know. Unknown Speaker Oh, wait. Unknown Speaker Did I send you the trailer for this movie? Unknown Speaker I don't think so. Because Unknown Speaker I don't know the story. Speaker 1 This was a patron recommendation, but I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember who recommended it. And I have seen the trailer Speaker 2 All I know is that Zac Efron accidentally ends up in the middle of the Vietnam War, is that it's probably this one. That's what I'm saying. Probably. That's what I thought I sent it to you. And I was like, I'm not going to find out about this. But because any movie lately that just says based on true events, I just send it to you. And I go, I want to know what this tells me about it. It was good. And then we can love some of it was Zac Efron in it. That's why I say a Jurassic Park. I don't know what happened. But I was like, I want to know, they remade it. They. I mean, it's gotta Unknown Speaker be a true story. Speaker 2 It says based on true basis. So okay, go ahead with the story that okay, Speaker 1 chicken Donahue. I was live in the Vietnam War. And in case you didn't know, the Vietnam War was not popular. A lot of people protested. Unknown Speaker Yeah. What years were the Vietnam War? Listener? I know, but Speaker 1 just for the people who don't know, I think it was 58 to 64. Let me double check that. I thought it was after that. Let me double check. Let me double check. Make sure I'm right on that. Vietnam War was oh, whoa. 55 to 75. Speaker 2 Yeah, I was gonna say again, that was the entire 60s. Speaker 1 Shoot. Okay. Yeah, so 55 to 75. As a very unpopular war, a lot of people back at the States didn't think we should be there. And so that was protested pretty much the entire length of the war. And obviously, there was a split, some people thought that we should be some people thought that they shouldn't. Speaker 2 That was actually a really interesting was that in Christian domains book about the Vietnam War split, was expected to be well, it was interesting, remember the split of because the people who got sent off to war war because we didn't like do a huge draft for that there was there wasn't, but it wasn't like the scale that like World War was. And so the people who were good The draft people who can get out of drafts have money. Yeah, and have, you know, resources and lawyers and reasons to get out of drafts or whatever. And so it was predominantly blue collar kids going off to Vietnam. Yeah. And then the rich kids were at home protesting that. And so it became a consciousness division between all the rich kids are here protesting Well, my son's out fighting the stupid war. Yeah. You know. And so he became a clashing point for patriotism. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, it's just I remember reading that it Unknown Speaker was that that sounds like a point in our book that I don't remember. Speaker 2 Well, I think it's just the difference between maybe the way my brain processes information and the way that your brain process our friend, okay, terrible thing to us. And I think they haven't recovered. They might have done this on purpose. They might they're trying to drive a wedge between they might be what's frustrating is, oh, so here's the question, and we're just gonna put it out there. And by the time that you hear this, we'll probably have resolved this with professional testing, and counseling. But our friend group debated on who in our group has the highest IQs. And no one disagreed about who was number one. And Tim's pretty mad about that. What's frustrating Speaker 1 is we've had this conversation before. And I've always come out on number one who, the four of us conversation and, and then you come around, and all of a sudden, everyone, there's a new number one in town. And Speaker 2 I don't like it. When did you have this conversation? Was I included in the ranking during this conversation I included? Speaker 1 It was just it was another time we're hanging out and different time. It was another time we're hanging out and it came up. I think Bernie, again, was trying to drive a wedge between everyone or Unknown Speaker she does like to do that. That's the reason why I have a solid wife. It's like, Hey, what's your Unknown Speaker internal jealousy thing going on? Who Unknown Speaker all of you think is the dumbest here? Yeah, Unknown Speaker you're gonna have a really tough dynamic with your children. Unknown Speaker Yeah, we're gonna ask them that every month. Anyway. Unknown Speaker Stan, according if we just look Unknown Speaker at this past month, who here is the dumbest? Speaker 2 So anyway, so Vietnam war is going on? Speaker 1 Yes. What's going on? It's deeply unpopular, very unpopular. At one night in November, Speaker 2 because America did not have a recipe there. It was. We can get into Unknown Speaker reason. But it wasn't. Unknown Speaker Yeah, so Unknown Speaker it's November, we had Unknown Speaker a reason to be in Iraq as well, you know, and that's Speaker 1 it's November, they're in Manhattan. And Tiki is at a local bar. Sure. It was a bar called O'Malley's the doc Fiddler's doc Fiddler's club. Plus, Doc Fiddler's pub. Sure. And it's the bartender there who's running? who's manning the show? He's a former Marine. Everybody there calls him the colonel. Yeah, he was never a colonel. But everyone calls him that. I'd Speaker 2 love to enlist. Yeah, just to have a cool just to get called Sarge. You know, Unknown Speaker we can make that your Speaker 2 shower, just just just to get the you know, saying. Oh, Unknown Speaker I don't know wedding. A wedding? Let me rewind a little bit. I didn't put that. But on a wedding like RSVP. Unknown Speaker Oh, yeah. Did you present the doctor or whatever? No, I Speaker 1 put judge said it has a drop down menu for all your prefixes. Unknown Speaker Our judges Unknown Speaker you feel that value? What do they do? Unknown Speaker They just what's the line? Unknown Speaker They're glorified kidnappers. Speaker 2 The military? I guess both. Okay, so he's a colonel. He's the garden but he's not a colonel running the ship. Speaker 1 I think he was like the highest he ever got was private first class, but everyone called him a colonel. Is that Speaker 2 just like you just really want to bring this guy down? Like, is it relevant? The highest regard was private first class. I mean, he only got out of high school because the military was like, Yeah, you're graduated to come in with your Yeah, he was kind of dumb. His IQ pretty low. Yeah. Unknown Speaker He's number six. Speaker 2 He argued that he was near the top. We just got to see the guy carry water. Why are you bringing this guy? Speaker 1 He runs the bar. So he's running the bar and outside. This is Vietnam War era right outside is a protest protesting the war. That's all like the Colonel's in there. He's washing his glasses, and he's talking to Chicky. Donohue, and he's like, he's like, he's like, man, look at all these commies out here, protesting the war. Because like, he's like, he's like, someone's gonna do something about this. He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, our soldiers are out there. They're overseas. They're fighting for freedom. That's all I'm saying. And ain't nobody supporting them. Everyone's back here Speaker 2 doing this. And that was the resentment at the blue collar class. Exactly. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Speaker 1 And Chicky and this guy are in like a flywheel like rubbing each other up. Right? So yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's gonna do something for them. No, no, no, no, no. It's a tricky. Tricky, it's like, yeah, someone should buy him a beer. He's like, he's like, Speaker 2 oh, yeah, dude, who really gets the worst free beers all his friends outside. He's like, Yeah, we should buy a beers. You know, what we should also do? We should give them $100. And, and, and this is important, you know, and like, Let's pay off all their debt. And, you know, we just did all these nice things for them. Tell the hottest girl in the bar, go kiss him on the lips. Unknown Speaker He wasn't talking about the people outside. He was talking about the Speaker 2 guy down. Don't write that down. I usually don't like sometimes the out of context close to the beginning are pretty well. Speaker 1 Okay, though he wasn't talking about the people. He wasn't talking about the protesters. He was talking about soldiers. He said someone needs to fire soldiers a beer. So they know. Okay, there's people back home. Support them. Sure. And the carnal is like Yeah, yeah. Someone needs to go by those guys appear. They need to know. They need to understand that they're important everyone. And Tiki was like, yeah, and then the conversation you noticed kind of fizzled. The night goes on. Then Speaker 2 he goes, Hey, guys, your plane ticket to Vietnam. You're gonna go buy him some beers. He goes, Speaker 1 Oh, and it goes back and he goes back the next day. And he comes in there. And the mom of one of his childhood friends who's serving in Vietnam, is there at the bar. And the colonel is like, hey, Chucky, is like check it out. He's like, he's like, I got Tom's mom here. I told them, you're going out there. You're gonna visit him. You're gonna check on him. Make sure he's okay. And Chicky was like, what? Unknown Speaker Oh, no. Speaker 2 It's mom was like, would you take this blanket from his childhood, please? Speaker 1 Is a Chicky. Chicky was like, Yeah, I did say I was gonna do that. I'll find he was a trade merchant. And so he was a sailor. He sailed out to Vietnam to do deliveries. He'd been a couple times. And so he just was like, Yeah, have you been? I'm going to do that? No. No. My Twitter bio is Speaker 2 such a hard left turn indicative of a low IQ. That's me. I'm breaking the fourth wall. I Unknown Speaker said, whatever. The middle thing. Sorry, Speaker 2 trying to explain it to you. Go ahead. What is your Twitter? Speaker 1 My Twitter bio is just I've never been to Italy. And Unknown Speaker are you hoping to just one day change it? Speaker 1 No. I think it's a really funny thing. Like someone's like, Hey, tell me about yourself. I've never been Speaker 2 on my Facebook bio. This is real on my Facebook page. Because on Facebook pages, it's different. It's not prominent. Yeah, it doesn't matter. They changed it every once in a while and every once awhile my bio will pop up and I forgot that years ago. years ago I wrote knows someone who knows Nellies uncle who was one of the early Nelly Oh like the rapper Nelly. Yeah, as the good Nellie Bly Nelly is from St. Louis. Yeah. And so one of the Starbucks baristas was like, Yeah, I'm actually like, kind of friends was his uncle. And I was like, I know someone who knows now his uncle. Anyway, that's so dumb. Hey, thanks checking out this episode. If you liked this one. Or if you don't like this one. There's so many other ones. Alright, if you're halfway through this one, and you're like, I hate this. I want to go check out the Richmond TV vigilante. It's an episode we did a while ago. It's a little bit of a shorter one. But one morning in Richmond, Virginia. He's people wake up with just TVs on their front porch. No idea where they came from until one person check their ring doorbell footage and got a decent surprise. So Richmond TV vigilante is a great episode. If you're gonna go check that out later. But for now, back to this one Unknown Speaker so yeah, so tricky. I've Speaker 2 been to Italy. Have you know, dinner thing so, Speaker 1 so tiki, tiki is like oh, I'll do it. I'll do it because I don't know how I'm gonna do it. But I'll do it. Speaker 2 Just on like a I guess I'll go like How old is he at this point? Speaker 1 I mean, you saw him in that picture. I don't know how old he was at the time, I would guess. I don't know. 30 Unknown Speaker Okay. 30 years old. Unknown Speaker Yeah, probably. How old? Do you think that guy is? Speaker 2 35 And actually, I don't want to ages this guy. Speaker 1 This guy was He was born in 41. This happened in November of 67. So he was 26 Unknown Speaker this keeps happening. This has happened to me like six times this just Speaker 2 keeps happening to us where we go Frick do that. That. Unknown Speaker Do we? Good? We look fine. We look fine. Unknown Speaker Yeah, we don't look like I Speaker 2 was talking about doll hole or a hands on the hips. Speaker 1 That is one thing though. We have the mustache. Yeah, I thought about this a lot. I've thought about this a lot. Like a lot. The reason this looks old to us is because these people still dress like this. And that is that is weighted Speaker 2 to us. Do you think we're still gonna dress like this when we're like, I'm curious. Speaker 1 Like when we get old like is our style like there's skinny jeans gonna make people think of 75 year olds. Like look at that old Unknown Speaker dude and skinny jeans were women's pants. Speaker 1 is skinny jean. No one wears jeans anymore. Man and his his oily beard. Speaker 2 No one covers their knees anymore, man. Let those knees breathe. The science is clear. No one wears Unknown Speaker clothes anymore, man. Look at that old guy. And as Speaker 2 you joke, but that might that might be where our society goes. So he's 26 years old. This what I'm saying is not on a whim. But like, kind of it's almost a barbette honestly, yeah. Where it's just like, Hey, man. Well, and also you're pressured by Tom's mom. Speaker 1 The curtilage I love the Kirtle left that night. And he taught me over here. Let's remember this picture real quick. Yeah, the criminals the bartender. Yeah. Chicky is Speaker 2 a patron left called Tom's mom. Yeah. And he's like, You got to think like, he's like, Hey, Unknown Speaker he's the sober minded one. Mama Unknown Speaker Tama. You got to come down here tomorrow. Speaker 1 He's like tomorrow, come out to the check up here in the afternoon. I got a I got a special surprise. Unknown Speaker He's going Speaker 1 it's a tricky, tricky is like, Ah, I guess I'll figure it out. So he went back to the trade union. And he was like, Hey, do we got any ships doing any deliveries out to Vietnam anytime soon? I'm like, Well, what do you know? We got one leaving in two weeks. You want to be a part of that job mission? I don't know. What are they call that in the Speaker 2 mission? What are they trade? What are they doing? What's his job? It's Speaker 1 just a merchant ship. And so he there's just got a bunch of containers out there. He's a merchant. He's a trade merchant. What does that even Speaker 2 mean? I don't know. He writes sounds like a job from the 1300s I don't Speaker 1 know he maybe he loads the crates onto the boats and then gets there and loads them off. And then Unknown Speaker he's an Amazon driver from the 60s Speaker 1 Yeah, for the ocean for over the ocean. Okay. Yeah. But anyway, so he gets a trip to Vietnam over Speaker 2 the ocean and through the waves to Vietnam we go. Speaker 1 So he lands his job from it was a ship that was traveling from New York to Unknown Speaker Vietnam just say Vietnam. We are in Speaker 1 Vietnam, but I want to the city is you know, Nan and that's not a joke. It's que Wanda city. It's okay, it's qu I space n h o n. I think it's just q naught. Okay, it's my guess. But anyways, so that's where he's docking. And he he he came with a burlap sack with keep T loose cans of Pabst Blue Ribbon Unknown Speaker and loose cannons Speaker 2 we know how many soldiers are over there because he's just like I've got a bag of beers. What is this? What is a loaded up Brahms? Bring a bag of beers Speaker 1 he's not looking for he's not going to give beers to all the owners for Tom's Unknown Speaker mom's design for Speaker 1 for specific soldiers. I Speaker 2 mean to even have Lately, I've been making little stupid jokes and a wink after Speaker 1 he's been. He's been. He's looking for for specific people who are from his area in Manhattan, his neighborhood, you're busy. He knows them all. So he's, he's looking for a Tom Collins. Okay. He was a member of the 127 Military Police Company. And then he's looking for Kevin Nick loon. Rick Dugan, who I don't know what company they're a part of. And Bobby Papas also don't know what's he Speaker 2 just landing and being like, Hey, I got a list of names. And I've got a special delivery for them. That's the Speaker 1 thing. He doesn't really have a plan. He knows he knows how he's going to try to trick the military. And so what he's gonna do is he's like, he's like, I'm going to do my merchanting and then I'm gonna go find the US outpost in that city. And I'm be like, Hey, I'm looking for my brother Tom. He serves. Our mom just died. I'm coming to let him know that news. And might be Unknown Speaker a surprise surprise Speaker 2 Please don't ruin what's in the bag? So what's in the bag? Her ashes? It's those things when you're looking at a burlap sack. Be here's in it, kinda. There's just can't you see the cans? In the burlap sack. Speaker 1 Well, that's why I wasn't gonna go Ash is I was gonna go confetti poppers. Unknown Speaker We really Speaker 1 did not like her. No. So he he lands. He finds this outpost and he sees one of the military police guys with the patch on his shoulder that says 127 He's like, That's Tom's. That's Tom's outfit. And so he says Hey, is that I know Tom Collins, Tom Collins. He is He is a military policeman with you guys. So he's one of you. Okay. And he told me Unknown Speaker he's with you guys. Speaker 1 He tells him the sob story. With his little burlap sack of beers dressed in his weird hat and his Unknown Speaker Amiga. Will you tell your dad Unknown Speaker everyone else Unknown Speaker so Unknown Speaker sorry about your mom and your brother and your Unknown Speaker brother. Sorry we haven't sent the letter yet. Unknown Speaker It's on my desk. I was meant to send it yesterday. Unknown Speaker But you know procrastination Speaker 2 I'm just so unorganized I'm so sorry and lately forgot Speaker 1 Yeah. Um so he tells him the sob story in the military police guy believes them great. He's like cool let me go show you where Tom's quarters are Unknown Speaker what's your name Flom Unknown Speaker Phil, Phil Collins Speaker 2 doo doo anyway, this is so stupid Unknown Speaker monster Unknown Speaker I Unknown Speaker hate this Unknown Speaker mom's dad. No know Speaker 1 the police guy shows up to Dad's quarters. And he walks in the room and Tom like double takes and he's like, What are you doing here? Because like their childhood Speaker 1 and the military police officer leaves. He's like, he's like, I'll give you guys a moment. And he's burlap sack, lays it on the bed and opens it up and it's just 18 Pabst Blue ribbons because you get four of these. And he's like, I came here to have a beer with you. And he was like, what? And so I told him about the whole meeting with Speaker 2 the colonel. made me do it. Anyway. I don't have any better to do. So they drink all the beer. Anything going on? Yeah, I'm a kind of war right now. Oh, about that. Date and It like, he's just trying to compare life problems. Yeah. Speaker 1 No. Yeah. So the two of them they they drink all the beers. Wow. And then they went and they found some of Tom's buddies. And they went out on the town and Nam and they went to like some guys were celebrating believe a police guy was like, weird grieving. Unknown Speaker I love music Speaker 1 so they're going out on the town, right? There's nothing there. I don't know. Clubs. Sure. They're well get in VIP, you know? You know the thing. It's kind of hard not to get seated at VIP when you and your 12 your closest buddies walk in with him. sixteens. Speaker 2 Yeah. So there's hardly anyone out there, isn't it? Is that what you want? Is that what you want to say? That's what you want on the internet. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's fine. It's it'll be out of context. You want special Unknown Speaker treatment at a restaurant? Or huge guns Speaker 2 the audio listeners, Zac Efron's bicep on screen. Very funny. Very funny. What do you think that measurement is? We should Google that. We should we should look it up. So they're out partying or VIP and Speaker 1 they're having a good time. And while he's at this club, there's another group of Vietnam VIPs I guess they're not veterans, yet the Vietnam soldiers, but therefore the US American soldiers. Okay, and so they're there in the in the club, and he notices that they're wearing the same patch of the next two guys on his on his list. Kevin and Kevin mcloon and Rick Duggan, Unknown Speaker basic. Hey, I'm their brother. Speaker 1 So he does the same thing. He goes up to them at the bar. And he said, Hey, he said, Hey, I'm looking for. For Rick Duggan. He chooses just one of them. He said, I'm looking for Rick, Doug and his brother, our mother passed away. I'm trying to find him. Can you get me to him? And he said, Oh, yeah, he's way up on the north end of Vietnam. He's like, look, we're going up there in the morning. He's like, if you could be at the tarmac at 800 hours tomorrow, we'll give you a lift. And he's like, deal. And so the next morning, he wakes up doesn't have any more beer. And he hitches a ride Unknown Speaker what's good, you can't bring that amount of fluid on a plane. Speaker 1 He shows up, he hits his stride up to this area called Shau Valley. Okay, and this was an interesting spot in 67. So he just leaves Unknown Speaker Tom. Yeah, he's Speaker 1 like he's like, Hey, we got your drink. Got your I got Speaker 2 my life mission is done. Good luck with whatever you're doing. Yeah. I Unknown Speaker hope you have a good one. Unknown Speaker I don't know what any of this but I'm glad you're here. But yeah, Speaker 1 I mean, I hope it's all good for you. So he goes, he goes to the shop out in the shop Valley at the time was the Northern Front of the war. So they hadn't explored this northern end of Vietnam yet. Right. So there was kind of this this I don't want to say like Northern offensive but it kind of was they were like pushing through the jungle and setting up little outposts here and there as they made it through. And it was very uncharted territory. I mean, if the Vietnam War there was tunnels and there's bombs and there was hidden stuff like it was, it was Unknown Speaker tough tunnels through bombs. Oh my. Speaker 1 It was tough to move through the jungle. Before it was like Target so it was a very dangerous side of Vietnam. Sure. Chicky lands in there's no Speaker 2 real going out and going to the VIP section. Yeah, that's not going to be this Speaker 1 part of the trip. And so Chicky Chicky lands in the town and he goes to like a convenience store and picks up a new case of beer because he used it on the first person. It's like, picks up some more beers. Some local stuff i This time I guess. And Speaker 2 red ribbon it's not our best but it's but it's their second best sure what what's the order? You know a lot about red ribbons, don't you? What's the order Speaker 1 shot? I never understood the point of that. Like, why are ribbons? Why is the best ribbon blue? When everything else? It's gold? I don't I don't I don't understand that like that. Why they did that? Speaker 2 I don't know. Maybe you can do an episode on one of those Google stuff. Speaker 1 What am I going to do when Google dies? had GB t. So he he lands and he goes to the military outposts. He tells them the sob story. Sure. And the guy was like, the guy kind of looks at him and he's and there's no there's a documentary where Chicky was like, I don't know what it was about this guy. But I felt like he knew I was lying. And I felt like I could trust him. So I just was like, here's the truth. He's like, he's like, I'm just, I'm just out here trying to have a beer with these guys. And the guy was like, that's cool. And Anthony got you radios. Unknown Speaker Okay. Well, it's Unknown Speaker okay. It's a radio is up to them Speaker 2 now. Hey, man. No, no, I'm not. Sorry. I think you have the wrong idea. I'm just trying to have a beer with the pilot on the plane. Let me on the plane. I'm just gonna Oh, yeah, no, I don't really have an appointment or reason to be here. I'm just here to have a beer with Joby. I just feel like a lot of people aren't supporting him. I just feel like I care about you know, and like, sure I disagree with a lot. But like, I just want to have a beard. I just wanna Speaker 1 I just want to show him that we support. What kind of beer did you bring? Unknown Speaker Perhaps red? Speaker 1 I didn't know that a second. Pass pass one the Blue Ribbon once. years ago. Yeah. And they haven't let it Speaker 2 they really wrote they rode with it, too. They quit making anything else. Or like, is it? Is it? Speaker 1 Is there a blue ribbon? We got it once. That's like if we still talked about how our Kansas City's best local podcast. Unknown Speaker When did we win that? Unknown Speaker 2021. Speaker 2 Oh, that's still recent enough. Who won it last year? Speaker 1 I don't know. We have where we haven't been on the list the past two years. I've checked each time. Speaker 2 Yeah, but right now, it's like a you enter yourself. Speaker 1 I don't know who introduced we didn't interrupt someone did. Yeah, we should enter ourselves next time. Okay, shouldn't ourselves every time because we're gonna shoot when Speaker 2 we could also just, we're a media company till in blue ribbon. We as I said, we could just make up an award and give it to ourselves. So most awards are Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Speaker 1 Okay, so they called Rec. Sure. Rick Duggan, on the radio, and they said, Hey, we need you to come back to base boomers do Yeah. And he was like, he was nervous about it. Because now he's gonna have to travel 500 meters, which isn't that long. a minefield, but through a minefield in the jungle. Yeah. And it's tough terrain. And so he's like, he's like, I gotta, I gotta take this trip alone, to take this trip alone through all this tough terrain. Unknown Speaker How bad is it though? And if he doesn't make it through, you know, if you're like, honestly, whatever, you're coming up, Unknown Speaker and you're like, all the moms are there waiting. Speaker 2 Yeah, he would have been fine if it wasn't for you and your stupid red ribbon. So he makes a lot of blue ribbon beer. He makes it through their mind. He makes it through Speaker 1 the minefield, he gets back to camp and he's like, he's like, he's like, Sorry, guys. What did you shoot for? And he's like, he's like, why'd you call me back? And the sergeant. Speaker 2 Then here comes chickie around the corner is like, hey, and he goes, he goes, who's this guy? doesn't recognize it's been a law of war. Okay. Yeah. She he's like, you're so funny. Unknown Speaker You're so funny. Speaker 1 No, yeah, he shows back up. He's like, Sarge, what would Why did you call me back in? And he's like, Oh, I didn't call you that guy did and there's Tiki Donahue. And he was like, What are you doing here? is like, well, I can have a beer with you and Kevin. Kevin's up at the camp. And he's like, he's like, Well, alright. Okay. He's like, bring your case. He's like, we're going. And so he leads him to this minefield. Meanwhile, chicky through a minefield. Yeah, he leads them back to their camp. Okay, and so Chicky is still wearing his regular clothes, blue jeans and his Yeah, is weird chef hat thing. Total sore thumb and this combat scenario. It gets up to the camp, and they make it spoiler, spoiler, they made it and they had beers. While they were out there. They were like they're like, Yeah, we probably shouldn't like have you out here just like dressing like your dressing. It's like give them a jacket, at least. So it can fit in but he's got his little white khakis on still. Yeah. And all of them are out there and they had some some canned food that they give the soldiers and he got to eat that and he said it wasn't good. And he stayed the night with him. And it was a night that he talks about everything. Unknown Speaker Purina two is what they were eating out there. And it was basically theory to to baby and goodbye fresh Speaker 1 Hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it and you're enjoying chillin, you've been around for a little bit, I want to invite you to be a part of our Patreon, we have a Patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our hosts and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out we get to know each other we eat pizza. It's a blast, along with a bunch of other benefits like a merch discounts message on your birthday like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, that guy here just kidding. No, we love you. Thanks for checking out Dylan podcast. How do they how do they get it though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh, dang, we're doing Yeah, Speaker 2 they can text Tillandsia 66866. Thanks, Jared. Speaker 1 So, so he spends the night with them. Yeah. And this is a very different experience than the last guy he shared a beer with. Okay, now they're drinking beer, but they're also in war in the jungle, like, actually in war now. Like they're in the jungle. They've got tents set up. As Speaker 2 you guys go out into town, and they're like, No, we blew up. Oh, okay. Unknown Speaker There's no word out. Unknown Speaker Yeah, we don't do that out here. Speaker 1 And so he's like, he's like, he got a tour of the camp. He's like, here's the camp. Here's our ambush perimeter. And a couple of nights a couple of times over the night. Like, they did get ambushed. And there was a firefight and he said Chicky in his documentary, he's like, he's like, that's the moment when I was like, I think I'm gonna stay here. This I don't know if I should be here, Speaker 2 you know? So all the soldiers felt that way. They were like, I didn't have to do this. I wouldn't be here. Why am I here? That's 100% you know, break man, Speaker 1 I'd say stays the night with them. And it was a stressful night, a very tense, tense combat night. But he makes it through the night. Morning. Spent all the beers again, all the perhaps red ribbon. And then he gets escorted back to camp rides the plane back down to Q anon. And on that trip, somehow he found word that Bobby Papas, which sounds like a fake but that Bobby Bobby Papa sounds Unknown Speaker like like a pizza joint in Chicago. Speaker 1 I can see that I was gonna say sounds like a character from Backyard Baseball. Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. True. Bobby Pappas. Now, what are the what are the voice actor in Backyard Baseball sound like? Speaker 1 I mean, they sound like little children. No, of playing, Bobby. Speaker 2 Sure. You know, that guy came back from Vietnam, and opened an Italian restaurant. And like, did very well, very, very well. He's the hero of his small town. Yep. Yep. Which was he employs all the high schoolers. This was Manhattan. That's where it was a small town boy. Unknown Speaker Just a small town guy. Unknown Speaker from Manhattan, you know, Unknown Speaker the biggest the biggest town? Unknown Speaker The big one. But I'm a small town. Speaker 1 I relate to small town life. You know, dirt roads? Yeah, my hats. Sue I am. Speaker 2 I've never I have an Italian restaurant. But I've never been to Italy. Just a little fun thing about me. Would you describe yourself in a sentence on urban Italy. Speaker 1 So he gets down there. And he manages to get a lift up to the camp outside of Saigon, sure to see Bobby papas. And, again, found some beer, they have their beers, whatever. They're hanging out. And he asked him how things were going up on the Northern Front. And Chicky he was like, he didn't know the answer the question, but they're just hanging out. They're having some beers. And so he's just like, said something. And so what he told him and he said, Ah, that was just to get to the negotiation table. He's like, we're on the tail end of this thing. They're figuring it out right now. Oh, no, it's 67 there. It goes until 75. Yeah, they're not close to figuring it out. And so he Unknown Speaker he, he takes that back back. Speaker 1 And so Chicky whatever they did the thing the next day he gets a ride back down to Saigon. So he can catch the return trip of his ship was finally unloaded. How long was this trip took a long time for them to unload this thing because he wasn't there. Unknown Speaker They were like one guy is pushing all these things. Speaker 1 They all say T lift. They all lifted. He's just so lifted. He's got like Speaker 2 that. He's got that belt, you know? And he's out here. It's been two weeks and he's just ripped Unknown Speaker his biceps you will never Unknown Speaker got back and everybody talks about his dad bought though. Speaker 2 Oh my gosh. People are so ruthless, man. Leave that up the rest of the time. I'm just Speaker 2 Okay, so how long was this trip? Duration of this whole thing? At this point, a few weeks, Speaker 1 like three weeks probably at this point, like I've been there for a little bit. Well, when he's getting he gets back into Saigon, he's getting ready to load into the return ship. And then the sky lights up back over at the MO depot where Bobby's at Oh no. And they got raided and they actually ended up overtaking the does this ammo supply shop wasn't a shop Speaker 2 Yeah. Trailer it was just a little setup in like a Walmart parking lot. And they they've got a little trailer they converted it into a ammo. Unknown Speaker They had it was a tent and it had American flags all over them. Speaker 2 You see them in your town. ammo supply stores. Like if you go there they give you like rockets included. If you buy the big package items, they'll throw in a couple rockets you Speaker 1 bought you bought a bunch of ammo, some rockets. Like hey, you want to take some pop snaps Speaker 2 on me. You know, snappers scare the enemy. Speaker 1 Have you noticed prank videos where people take take take their spouses shoes and tape all those pop snaps like the pop dragon snaps on the bottom of their shoes. And then just lay them back down. And so then Speaker 2 the internet does fake pranks. Like cops. They go to school with the wife is like yeah, it's kids YouTube, and it gets like freakin 14 billion views. And they make so much freaking money. Yeah, I'm not resentful about it at all. You know how you feel about being second place for the IQ stuff for our stuff. That's how I feel about those YouTubers. Work a quarter of as hard as Yeah, and I go Frick a man. Speaker 1 Yeah, if you're here this here's what we need you to do. If you're listening. We need you to buy two dozen cell phones and just play our show nonstop. 24 Speaker 2 cell phone 24 cell phone Great. Here's the thumbnail for this week's video. Ready? You gotta do it too. Speaker 1 Yeah. Hold on, let me move this great, and it's gonna say we told all our followers to buy two dozen cell phones. Watch this non stop. Speaker 2 Here's what happened. I built an ammo shop in our garage and no one knew until we got Speaker 1 Chickies like I gotta go back to Bobby. I gotta go make sure Bobby's all right and Speaker 2 so shaky gonna do so he hit like, don't forget though, what's he gonna do? He sees a big explosion this guy and he's like I Schicchi need to go see if Bobby an actual soldier is fine. Speaker 1 So you hitchhikes up to the to the ammo supply shop boys. Unknown Speaker And it gets there the ammo outlet and Speaker 1 Bobby just grills him. He's like, You shouldn't be here. He's like, you gotta get out of here. You told me you told me that this was almost over. He told me that we found out that this will come over to you. And she was like Sorry, I was just making conversation like I know how to answer it. How's the weather? I don't know how to answer. How's the war? Unknown Speaker Okay. Unknown Speaker Bobby was okay. But they did lose the depot. I think that's the word ammo depot is Unknown Speaker we lost the depot by my house. Let's put these on a tough that's Ford. Oh, sorry. You can do it. We might help this more doing we go out. Right from your community layer. Unknown Speaker Sound on DON'T WAIT WHAT DO YOU last Office Depot buy my house there's more like a Unknown Speaker range office depot's music is traditional Speaker 2 state using outdated technology we got better staplers and staples. Speaker 1 Oh, what's the what's the what's the? Oh gosh, hold on. Give Speaker 2 it a go. You don't have two seconds Speaker 2 oh no, it's green metal. Green Man. What? The green he's not listening to Kelly Hopkinsville encounter episode is that episode. Yeah, I know. I know what our episodes are. As part of having a big brain. I took a Red Bull today. We bring it up naturally. And I am pretty good at that. But you could use promo code Tim 10 I know it's pretty difficult Tim Tim. Speaker 1 know Mikey, Mikey, on on YouTube mentioned that he likes energy drink, Tim. Mikey. And so. Unknown Speaker So I I drink. I drink. Speaker 1 Celsius. We didn't have any so I drink a Red Bull instead. That's great. Unknown Speaker So Bobby's ticked. Speaker 1 Yeah, Bobby Bobby's mad at him. And says like he gotta get out of here. He's sweet. He hitchhiked back down to Saigon. He's Unknown Speaker like, Well, I was I was just going to make sure you're I'm fine. Unknown Speaker Everybody's like, you should be here. Pay. This Unknown Speaker is a time for beer buddies. Yeah, this isn't like Speaker 1 this isn't like your friend works at Pizza Hut and you want to go in and stop him Speaker 2 on the shift. Yeah, appropriate to let me know when you're under 10 I got some beers that I just came over to surprise you at work? Speaker 1 Yeah. Which is also like, it's like, you're Speaker 2 good you can you do to come back from the jungle real quick. And Rick works his way through a Vietnam minefields comes back and he's like, what was the emergency? And so there's no emergency. But this guy's here and it's someone dresses a giant heart. And it's one of those cigarettes. Hey, Rick, what you're gonna do? What you're gonna do My heart beats for you. This is from Susan. And she wants you to know even though you're a war and you're saving the world, you've already saved her world. And then I gotta get shot. Because he's he's literally a giant red target. So the singer grant I'm in big they had hazard pay they got paid a lot more Unknown Speaker didn't make a lot more in Vietnam. Speaker 2 Vietnam they got paid whatever. via cash is right you got paid pops red ribbon. Yeah, you gotta convert that into US Dollars Speaker 1 nowadays a super rare they only make them anymore. So if you could sell after market Speaker 2 value, or watch out because pap CEO. He's like a whole Spider Man's gonna play hard. put you out of business. Yeah, he's gonna crush you like the swan. Perhaps outlaw. Anyway. Speaker 1 Anyways, so Tiki goes back to Saigon. Speaker 2 You know, a regular pap cyst. And the boats. God Unknown Speaker the boat left without them. They Unknown Speaker were Oh, yeah, that guy was Unknown Speaker that he can stay. He's like, at least said, Look, you gotta go. Speaker 2 He doesn't even look good. It's just his back. He's got scrawny arms. But his back is freaking shredded, bro. He's like friggin like. He can he could pop his own back just with his muscles. Yeah, but his arms are just like, Unknown Speaker little like noodles like yours. Yeah. We should measure up our biceps. Okay, so tricky. Speaker 2 Here's a big press. No, it was a call back to seven years ago and our friendship. I do. Yeah. Eight years ago. Friendship. Yeah. What did I say to you? 10 years ago in our friendship. It was 10 years ago. Yeah, Unknown Speaker that actually was Yeah. Wow. Was Raj right. Speaker 2 Yeah. You made it you made it was a one time you made a fat joke to me. And I was like, I can outlive you easy. Let's do it. Yeah. And I got really depressed in Speaker 1 my face. You were like, Yeah, I didn't know how to respond. I didn't know you that well. Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, and I was like, don't. I'm really insecure. Unknown Speaker Yeah. I didn't know you well enough to stab you like that. Speaker 2 Yeah, now we know each other well enough that you can literally stab me. Unknown Speaker Fun little joke with you. Unknown Speaker Anyway, the boats gone. Now he's in Vietnam. Speaker 1 Yeah. So long story short, he ends up stuck in Vietnam, which is the sequel to the movie that he made about this whole thing stuck in Vietnam. But yeah, he's stuck there for four months. Unknown Speaker Four months. Does he go back to Bobby Pappas? Speaker 1 No, he while he stayed on the dock is yeah, he stayed. He stayed in like one of the military camps, the American military camps. They just kind of looked out for him. Unknown Speaker He's like, Hey, guys. Speaker 1 My mom died. So I thought I'd come. He's Speaker 2 just telling every person to your My mom died. And so I was just here to tell you that. Could I stay with you tonight. Speaker 1 And so he because he missed missed it. He had to wait a little while to get a passport and a visa through the US Consulate in Vietnam. So he can leave like a normal civilian would leave. And he finally got all that sorted out, got a flight. And the day his fight. The day of his flight out of Saigon, that Tet offensive began, which was a massive, massive thing that was involved, Saigon. And so the flights got grounded, and he couldn't leave. Yeah, long story short, eventually, he was able to become an oiler on a merchant ship. And so he was just applying for jobs. He's like, I guess it's in my life now. And he happened to apply for a job where he could go back to New York on a boat Speaker 2 and immediately quits. Where do you see yourself? Like, do you do you want to work for this company for like, five years? Yeah, I want to I really want to work my way. Yeah, I Unknown Speaker just I really believe in first trip. Unknown Speaker They landed in New York. And he's like, I quit. I Speaker 1 wasn't even docked yet. Yeah. And then they're like, I want to go we don't let quitters. Speaker 2 Yeah, he jumps off the boat mid sea. In the hot seat, you shouldn't say Speaker 2 he looks over and he's like Solly. I have bad news about your mom. Unknown Speaker So he finally arrives Speaker 2 in your mind this time? Just move it again. Thank you. So he arrives Speaker 1 in New York on April Fool's Day. 1968. Unknown Speaker When did he leave? Unknown Speaker mid November, mid November? Unknown Speaker In the month, a month? Speaker 1 Exactly. And he goes back and he tells the colonel Hey, I did it. And the colonel gets everyone's moms to show up with so you can tell them. Hey, you're all good. And your kids are all good. And so for Bobby, he's a little mad. Bobby's pretty mad at me. But it was a huge success. And a few years later, Speaker 2 we're off on beer tours now. They're like, Yeah, whatever. What are their war? Do you want to go? We like that, do it again or go to what? Speaker 1 And so in 1970, he bought the pub dock Fiddler's and managed it for a few years, and then ended up selling it again. And then he became a trade unionist. And then, let's see, let me make sure I get this year right. In 2022 biographical comedy film starring Zac Efron, called the greatest beer Ron ever came out. And Zac Efron was his character. And he, you know, just did what Donahue did in the movie. It's on apple plus, so you can watch that story as well. You can watch dad Bob Zak, walk through the jungle in Vietnam. And his little his little when he called that plaid shirt. Yeah. Huh. And what's crazy about this is in this poster, they did a really good job like showing what it was actually like because they did flyover and over Speaker 2 again, giant fabs calves. Red Ribbon, red ribbon. Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah, so that's the story. You can watch that now. I think Speaker 2 we're not sponsored You don't gotta you don't say don't watch that movie. Unknown Speaker Don't watch that. Meanwhile, we Speaker 2 can't say don't we that's that mean? That mean? That feels like we're responsible, like competitive. You can watch that movie. If you have the ability to watch watch Jurassic Park. What you should watch is the true story of Chris Pratt upbringing in Jurassic Park. That's how he was made. Speaker 1 That's how he was. Chris Pratt, is Adam, and they brought him back for Jurassic Park. Tell them yet they haven't told him Unknown Speaker until he does. didn't know until one of his childhood friends doesn't even know Speaker 1 I brought Adam back to my car garage and no Unknown Speaker one knew Unknown Speaker I made a dinosaur it's like smash that like but like he smashed my house Unknown Speaker fetal position in his blood car garage. Speaker 2 Dinosaur Adam Adams fetal position in his garage in the back of his Prius Adams got plenty of room he doesn't have to be crammed fetal position but the dinosaur is crammed in there dinosaurs pushed it I really needed this video to take off so I haven't come for a bigger house I really didn't think this one through I grew a dinosaur faster than I thought I was chasing fame and you know, I really outpaced myself on Florida dinosaur dude. Anyway, this is out of hand. Never drink an energy drink again. Speaker 1 Mikey wants me to sell this for you Mikey Speaker 2 great your blue bull Red Bull couldn't afford the name brand while we're getting sponsored by the knockoff brands do that Unknown Speaker we got some work to do then. All right. Unknown Speaker Dr. Thunder that's what I'm saying. That's what Unknown Speaker we do it's really funny yeah all right. Well Unknown Speaker we got let's get to work all right. Speaker 2 Oh off then or whatever I'm gonna knock off fiddle would be your mouth Speaker 3 died I'm here to drink you through the pain Speaker 2 in Vietnam to do goo Oh, you were gonna say grocery oh sorry. Speaker 2 Things on last night is a production of space. Tim media produced by Christian Taylor audio is edited by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic design by Caleb Goldberg. 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Steve Glew – The Unreal Story of the Pez Outlaw

06-27-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, Unknown Speaker what's going on? Unknown Speaker Have you ever heard of area 51? Shot? Don't do Unknown Speaker this to me. I don't want to do it's what I had prepared. No, it's not. No, it's not. Unknown Speaker Oh, thank goodness you ever Unknown Speaker heard of Steve glue? Unknown Speaker Yeah, it's gotta be worse. I feel like Speaker 1 if I ever should do one of those tic tock videos where you hold up two options, and I get to choose one but they're both bad or both aliens is Steve blue aliens. All right, roll. Unknown Speaker Oh, yeah, this company is for the whole world. Unknown Speaker We'd like to have our own. Unknown Speaker Can I open for you please let me get into that. But Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen, Tim stone. She spent her whole life working on that project. Did you like that? Your ruin homeward bound. Things I Learned last night Unknown Speaker who's Steve glue? Okay, so Speaker 2 Steve glue was a dude in Utah. His dad Unknown Speaker made armor. Okay, Steve glue did what Unknown Speaker Steve glue was a man in the 90s who had a passion. He was a collector of of candy dispensers known as Pez. Speaker 1 Okay, that is weird is that? Well, it's still weird. I was wondering. I thought I was gonna be Yeah. Are these the Seven Dwarfs? What is this? Unknown Speaker These are the four horsemen of the apocalypse. This Unknown Speaker is Santa apocalypse. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I don't know what this series is. This Speaker 2 is just a random collection of Pez products. They all stay the same. I didn't. Unknown Speaker They're not all the same. Speaker 3 There's two that are very distinctly I mean, they're different, but they're the same. You know, it's Speaker 2 all bearded dudes with hats. Okay. They're just different color beards and color faces. And this guy is a Pez collector. Yeah, he's a Pez collector. But here's the deal. This candy, Unknown Speaker not great. It's chalk. I mean, it's not you know, it's not chalk. It's candy. Unknown Speaker Are you serious? Unknown Speaker But it's not like, chalk. Speaker 2 I mean, I used to cut up chalk and shape it and say, You're an Speaker 1 idiot for that, right? Okay, so he's a Pez collector. Unknown Speaker I used to just stick whole sticks of chalk in there. Unknown Speaker He's a Pez head. Speaker 2 I thought it was the PES cut the chalk into the shape. And so you put the whole stick in and then you you got the shape. Speaker 1 Okay. You read in shock as a kid. That's what you're saying? Because we all were honestly explains a lot. We all word. Yeah, so he collects Pez dispensers. How many has he got? Unknown Speaker Oh, he's got lots. Speaker 2 He's got lots of Pez dispensers. That's not really an interesting thing about his life, though. That's just Unknown Speaker a side thing. One night, Speaker 1 one night, aliens I swear, I swear if you say something like that, if you lead me on where the past collection, and then you go one night, late in the three in the morning, a bright light shines into his bedroom, shine it upon the Pez collectors. They all begin to tremble and shake. As a flying saucer overtakes his home. What are you talking about? Speaker 2 So he was a Pez collector. And he was from DeWitt, Michigan. And here's something we need to know right off the bat about Pez. Their corporate structure is a little strange. Okay, there's two past companies. There's How old is PES? PES is old Pez as we know it. 1949, something like that. Okay, before that it was actually an anti smoking tool. And so it was like, it was like Nicorette gum, like was the concept. But they realized, Oh, hey, it's a little like, people are opening up this tin, and they're picking it up and putting in their mouth. That's too much work, make it fun. And so they had a German designer designed this dispenser that could give you one at a time, like really quickly. And they thought, oh, this cigarette smokers are gonna love this. But then kids loved it. And they're like, well, we can't Speaker 1 wait. We got to get the kids smoking first. And then give them and that feels like bad messaging, you know, so they turn away. Hey, yeah, you tried to get into smoking. Unknown Speaker So they turned it into candy and started marketing. I'd carry Unknown Speaker you there's a different kind of dairy for you. Unknown Speaker And then we've got a program for high school here, you Speaker 2 know, yeah, they were like, Oh, this whole market really well as candy. We put some characters on it. It'll sell well. All and so that's kind of how Pez got started. Okay, but it still works for smoking if you eat it that way, because it just chalk kills you. So I quit. Just as Speaker 4 I used to carry around cartons of cigarettes, but it was just full of chalk. Just a little chalk stick. That's Unknown Speaker also what the fake cigarettes are. Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. And then you puff them. That's right. That's what I was eating. I was like, I Speaker 4 used cigarettes to guys. That's the crunchy cigarette I've ever seen someone hate Oh, sick, never seen someone bite into a cigarette butt. That was the crunchiest cigarette I've ever seen several Biden. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Don't try to light it. It does not. Unknown Speaker It doesn't burn. Yeah. Unknown Speaker So Speaker 2 is the corporate structure. Okay. Yes. Was there was Pez International, which was the parent company, and that Unknown Speaker operates. Who's the Pez daddy, who's that operator who's the wise Papa who's in charge? Worldwide, right, hesitant. Speaker 2 But America had their own America had pas America, because, you know, we're American Corp. That's how we are. We were like, oh, yeah, this Unknown Speaker is a couple of years for the whole world. Speaker 2 We'd like to have our own. Yeah. So there's PES America. And the way things functioned was I hate so much that you caught this. But the President and CEO of PES in the 90s called himself the president. Yeah, he did. His name. You got it. His name was Scott. McWeeny. That's not a joy, joy. Joy. This is him. Scott McWeeny. They Unknown Speaker are so serious about this, too. Unknown Speaker Oh, he was passionate about it. Here's an earlier photo of Scott McWeeny. I think this is Speaker 1 yeah, that's the other go back to the other picture. This head look at the toll that the stress of this job is tennis is a tough job. Go back to the earlier picture. And this is when he first hesitant that this is President right? Yeah. And this is this is a term pessimistic. I'm saying like he he aged quite a bit here. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. But also didn't if that makes sense. Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty accurate. Okay, so president and he Speaker 1 I do like that I call that I hate that so much. He they call all their frontline workers peasants. So it's, it's not as endearing as they thought it was gonna be. Unknown Speaker I thought it'd be a cute fun thing. Peasants retentions. Terrible. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Unknown Speaker They're cloning their work. Unknown Speaker Log into a call center. It's your first day on the job. Speaker 1 They've already got one of you. You walk them out. You're like, wait a minute, hold on. You walk in. You walk in and someone goes Unknown Speaker well, you call me at ease me. Unknown Speaker Now? Nothing. Nothing. Speaker 2 Now you walk in and the first row is all like the new people. Yeah, so they're all different. Second row is different. So then Unknown Speaker the second row and Speaker 2 you meet Becky in the first row? Yeah, then you you get up after the first few calls your training balls. Go to the restroom. And you start to notice like there's it's all Becky 100 Becky's Speaker 4 and they all say the same call. It's the line and you just hear that echo. It sounds like you're talking about army. Unknown Speaker Thank you for calling PES Speaker 3 PES. I'm one of the peasants professors. So So why is this guy interesting to me? Speaker 2 McWeeny he ran this company it was a tight ship Unknown Speaker sorry it was a tight ship. He ran on lean. Hot dogs Speaker 4 Well, let's find out I don't know. weenie hot dog this Unknown Speaker back guarantee they did. Speaker 2 They call it the MC hot dog. Which is a miss. And it is. It looks pretty bad. I'm not gonna lie. It's one of the worst looking hot dogs I've ever seen. Really? It's a bad look. Unknown Speaker I don't know. I've never seen a hot dog I would need Unknown Speaker let me show you a picture of this Nick. Hot dog. It's Speaker 2 not a surprise that this ain't around no more because this is rough. Good branding now. Oh, hey, it looks like it was in Japan. Maybe I'm not sure I can't read Speaker 1 that. But what are we on the top of the heart? Don't think it's relish. But it's you know why this didn't take off in America, the whole grain bond. That's what I'm saying, oh, Americans. It's it's trying to sneak some health and yeah, all right. It's worse for me if I'm going somewhere and getting a McWeeny Yeah, I want it. Unknown Speaker This week, we need to make kill me. Unknown Speaker So Scott McWeeny. So Scott McWeeny, he Speaker 2 ran a very tight ship. And he he was he wanted to make all the decisions. He wanted to make the call and hit a home run and be right. He wanted to be the guy. Yeah, yeah. And so he would find these licensing deals with big American brands, and they would license their new Pez carriers. Yeah. Meanwhile, PES International is out here making their own licensing deals that are globally interesting, right? And they're sending it off to Pez America and be like, Hey, we got this new license, did it licensing deal. We'll ship it off to the US. And he N McQueeney is like that wasn't no. So here, we're not selling out here. And so he had to sign off on everything that Pez America or pas global, brought in, because he wanted to be the guy. He wanted to be the decision. That's the only reason and he'd be like, he'd be like, No, you guys are ignorant. That'll never work here. He's like, you guys don't know what's, what works in the States. He's like, I know what works in the States. You don't know what's working. I'm here. I'm the president. I'm Unknown Speaker Bucha. workaround. Yeah, Speaker 2 yeah. I'm the president. You're the new world order. We're not? We're not part of Unknown Speaker the UN doesn't get to tell me what to do. Speaker 2 Yeah. And so there were a lot of series in the McQueeney era of PES characters that never sold in the US. And hey, we're not available. What's the word? Good, not legal to sell in the US because Sure, was no license for the US to sell them. So you could if you're a serious collector, go overseas, find someone who had it, purchase it come home, whatever. But you could not sell it in the US because there was no licenses available for interested us. And this is where Steve glue came in. And Steve glue, he noticed that there's this weird little law with customs, where if you own a business, that imports goods from overseas, if you want to stop that product from being imported into your nation, if you have the license for it, you're allowed to prevent that. You just have to file that paperwork with customs. But if you don't, people who don't have the license, can import it. And it's illegal, perfectly legal, to bring that to import that if they purchase it overseas. Sure, import it in. Technically speaking, what happens after that? If you sell it, if you don't have the license? It's probably illegal. But importing is legal. Okay, and PES Speaker 1 missa. Did you say the same thing three times? I don't understand what happened. So he can go somewhere, buy it come back, but he still can't sell it in the States. Speaker 2 Yeah, so he's allowed to import it. But I realize that you Speaker 1 said it a very simple way the first time. And then you said it a unnecessarily complicated way. Speaker 3 We'd like you to understand No, I tried to fully onboard you. You looked at me like so just Speaker 1 goes to Europe? Yeah, he can buy it. He can buy he can come back to the States. Yeah. And then he can't sell in the States. Because he doesn't have the license. Yes. No, I fully understood that. And then you were like, now there's some weird laws with the customs. And it all comes down to paperwork. And if they don't fill out the paperwork, Speaker 2 well, okay. Okay. Let me explain that because clearly you don't understand. I know if if you don't have a license to sell something in the US, you can't import it. Customs will stop you and say you're not allowed to sell this in the US. As long as the company that has the license files that paperwork with customs, otherwise you Speaker 1 as international didn't do the paperwork. Yeah. So he can sell it and Speaker 2 he can sell it but he can import it. Okay, yeah. And so he knows okay, I can at least get past customs. And from there, it's easy. So Speaker 1 he goes, but what customs agent what, what are you talking about, like customizing agent is going through your bag, see some Pez dispensers. And it's like, these are licensed in the United States. You can I know what is licensed and what isn't licensed. And I'm gonna go ahead and stop you right here. You know, saying, like what what customs agent is so brush up on his Pez collection and Pez availability. Unknown Speaker That's a decent point. Unknown Speaker Play the shot Speaker 1 of that person knowing what's licensed and what's not. When it comes to Pez dispensers, Unknown Speaker I guess that's a pretty decent but I mean, I think I think the the idea he was like, Speaker 1 oh boy, I don't want to get caught. And he's like nervous and lied to. He's got his backpack full of Pez dispensers. He's freaking swept around all the pads. You know what years this? Unknown Speaker Late 90s He's a Unknown Speaker customer. Is there anything in your bag, please? Speaker 2 Yeah, it's, it's just Pez dispensers. Speaker 1 Yeah, I can see that. Okay, all right, man. You got any illegal drugs or bombs in here? No, Unknown Speaker no just No. Speaker 1 Fully latest patches vendors don't really legal pads is licensed and ensures that illegal list passes you've ever seen these are the these are the legit legit passes Unknown Speaker such legal pas. Okay. Definitely. Speaker 1 How you're actually gonna go? Well, I think is your your taste. Hold on. Unknown Speaker I think what he said, Unknown Speaker I think he's saying that he is expecting he's not Unknown Speaker going to go all the Oh, where do they where Unknown Speaker we need to look at them and be like, Hey, why Unknown Speaker are you out of 1000? Pez dispenser. Yeah, Speaker 2 there's a lot of pets. Okay, so that's fishy. Speaker 1 Hey, I wanted to give you a heads up that our Taillon patron hangout is happening on June 29. At 6:30pm. By the time that happens, I'll be a married man. So I'm taking time away from my beautiful wife to come hang out with our $20 patron supporters. So maybe like, you know, be thankful, okay, is what I'm saying. But for real, we're very thankful for our Patreon supporters, because without you the show doesn't happen. So every month we do a hangout for a $20 tier and the next word is on June 29. At 630 Come hang out with Tim and married me. You know, it's gonna be great. Speaker 2 So him and his son, they fly to Europe. Sure. And they land in Germany near a major Pez dispenser manufacturing plant and just hanging around outside Unknown Speaker for all it's kind Speaker 1 of hoping for the leftovers like you do at Krispy Kreme, you know, saying because they throw away do you know the Krispy Kreme throws away this slightly deformed doughnuts? Yeah. And they keep fat Jaron would give you a lot of tips on how to get some flame. Legally they can't stop Speaker 2 you if you take it out of the dumpster. That is true. They are not allowed to say no. The police legally Yeah, Speaker 1 but if you can't get it back, if you can't get a bag of Krispy Kreme Doughnuts out of the trash and away from there faster than the police arrive. Yeah, that's on you. Yeah, that's on you. And that's where I knew I needed to lose weight. But what So, Unknown Speaker but the thing is Krispy Kreme being a donut shop. It's crawling with the cops. Yet to be sneaky. Unknown Speaker We love stereotypes. Speaker 4 I just like it's like it's like that Burger King video game. You have to sneak into the Krispy Kreme to get your trash for free is Unknown Speaker a really like $1.80 Speaker 1 is a Christian you're risking years in prison over a Krispy Kreme donut over a deformed speaking of prison. We have a friend. We do in prison. Yeah. Militia militia wrote us a letter. Yes. We did read it. Unknown Speaker I'm, I'm legally required to say Speaker 1 hey, I'm Alicia. If you're still listening to this, you know, sorry about all the other prison jokes are made in previous episodes. About how much prison time we would do in exchange for you know, but thanks for thanks for that, Senator. That was really that was really tiny and uplifting. Yeah, it was really nice. We Speaker 2 loved it. We're gonna write you a letter. Yeah. Got it by now. And for Speaker 1 other listeners. She said that she's sharing it with all her friends in the prison, which is more than you're doing you sacks of crap. telling your friends air about us? You know? Yeah, she's got a whole prison unit. I think she says Dylan fans down there. Speaker 2 I think she said the words I promise I didn't start a call. And so the fact that none of you have started, Unknown Speaker can't be bothered to leave a five star review. Anyway, thanks, Felicia Gerrans might be sorry if we were mispronounced your name by the way. Speaker 3 We debated it might is my light is my my gosh to hit Gerrans light is my man. So anyway, everybody say that out loud no Speaker 2 matter where you're listening right now. Gerrans light is my Speaker 1 house. Spooky would it be? If she's in that prison cell and the whole prison right now? They're all happen to be listening at the same time. Speaker 4 That was spooky would it be? You're at Old Navy? Oh, yeah. And you're like, you're like looking at a new pair of jeans and you just hear from the changing room. Speaker 1 over who's listening to the podcasts in the changing room who's got headphones in while they're trying on new clothes take and interrupt this. What if you're a pas headquarters in 100? Becky's? The pas Palace like headquarters, so, um, so he and his son go to Germany they're hanging out around a Pez dispensary. Yeah, thanks Unknown Speaker Spencer Spencer Speaker 4 dispenser Okay, first of all, why are there not storefronts called dispensaries that sell Pez dispensers? Pez dispensers. Speaker 2 That's is still a thing. Can you still go buy pads just publicly, Unknown Speaker but it's not licensed? Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's taken to the DMV. Unknown Speaker A lot. Yes. Sell it. So So he Speaker 2 goes, he goes, he starts hanging around these factories, makes a connection. Finds a guy who's a collector, Speaker 1 he makes a connection. You don't have these watches hanging outside the factories that hey, you can buy your lunch. Yeah. Okay. Speaker 2 He finds a guy in Europe who knows a lot about PES. An avid collector. Yeah, like a collector, you know, like a collector. And he's a collector. And so he's like, they bond over being collectors. And the guy's like, Hey, I've got some, some global Pez, not some American Pez you want sure it will pass? And he's like, yeah, he's like, he's like, how much? And he's like, $1,200 Speaker 1 What are they doing this? Why are you talking like this behind us work? Okay. I got some global pairs, some global pets. Yeah, they're just doing shady deals behind the circle. Okay. Speaker 2 Yeah. And so he buys he buys a handful of rare global passes. Okay. And he takes that back and he turns them for a massive profit, like $1,000 profit each pass. Who? Okay, there's cuz here's the deal. You couldn't get those in the States. Man. We're stateside. Yeah, honest Speaker 1 with you right now. If I came home, and my wife by the way, if you're listening to this, I'm married. I'm not married yet. recording this. So that's why Speaker 3 I keep saying it. It's a gamble. It's gonna it's off. You know, Speaker 1 I'm gonna it's, you know, for the next probably 10 episodes. I'm gonna mention it just so you guys know. Yeah. But if I come home and my wife is like, hey, so I saw an opportunity couldn't pass it up. And I spent an extra $1,000 this month. Yeah. Oh, okay. I mean, that's that's a budget item. Sure. Yeah. What did you get? And she goes Speaker 3 it's this it's super rare. It's super rare. It's only available globally is the only one in United States Yeah, it's Unknown Speaker it's the queen Unknown Speaker with the queen I was gonna go Tony the Tiger Unknown Speaker it's available everywhere right. Speaker 5 But look, it's but look when i Hello. She did that wasn't me. Hello. Speaker 1 That's two pieces each time to two syllables. Hello. Unknown Speaker Shooting PES all over the carpet trying to show you Unknown Speaker though Your peasant everywhere. Unknown Speaker I was so past what I saw. Speaker 1 I was working through all the all the PES pawns in PES off was one I was going to work towards. I did say the real word the other night during the show. And Unknown Speaker the crowd gasp Speaker 1 almost. It was definitely it was a ladies event. And it came up my mouth and you know I've ever said something. And as it's coming out your mouth, you're like, No, I Speaker 2 should have said that. I know. That's fine. Speaker 1 Yeah. I sold him a lot of Pez dispensers after Speaker 2 global ones even. So he made a big profit and he sent me a glass case Speaker 1 or like here's my Pez imagine Okay, let's walk through another scenario. You're rich, right? Divorced obviously and you're going out trying to date again you're trying to impress some young ladies right so you bring you throw a party at your house and you're like you want to show off how rich you are? Yeah, so you go Hey, ladies, you guys want to see my expensive collection and they think diamonds they have aches reaches crushers sword you lead into your garage? Yeah. That is lined wall the wall with cases. Yeah. And it's just well lit by the way. They're always Speaker 2 well lit. So as dispensers everywhere marble floors. Unknown Speaker You know what's crazy is that you have their faces on pistols Unknown Speaker that's like a Peele movie. Unknown Speaker This one's You are you in pest? impressed and pest? In PES. Creepy. Unknown Speaker Gosh, I hate that so much. Um, yeah. So he he makes, Speaker 2 he turns his for profit. Yeah. And so he turns to his wife, and he says, Speaker 1 This is our life. This is what I need to do. I just quit my job. I just quit my job. Speaker 2 Well, he didn't quit his job yet. But he did go back. And he met some influential people in the PES world overseas. Like PES global corporate. Yeah. Allegedly. Now here's where the story gets a little difficult. According to the people at corporate PES global. This isn't true. They were just friends. Sure. According to Steve glue, they were his suppliers. Okay, and they said, Don't tell anybody about this. I don't know you. You don't know me. But if anyone Unknown Speaker asks, we're just friends. Speaker 2 Yeah, but we just got this huge pallet. Speaker 1 What kind of international pieces he bring it over? Like, can I see an example of any of them? Actually, Unknown Speaker I don't know. That's a good question. Speaker 1 I'd love to see one and go that's International. You know, like, what what pieces weren't available in the United States? Speaker 2 I mean, it was all over the place. It was characters that it was characters that this Scott Nicolini guy just was like, oh, yeah, this won't work in the US or it wasn't my idea. So we're not going to do this in the US. Okay, I think a lot of them were not like licenses. Because like, because I think Scott make weenie was licensing stuff on like Disney and stuff. Sure. Trying to be like, Oh, these are big characters that kids already know. Vote Yeah, though. We're and these were just like, these were just those one mayor's guys. Yeah. And he was like, he's like, No, we're not doing that in the States. So is the stuff that are weird. Here's a here's a good example. This one is called Alpine man with moustache. It street value is $1,024. Okay. And it is just like this. How much $1,024 Oh, this is the dude in Alpine man with a mustache picture that you probably close. Unknown Speaker It's currently for sale. I've been looking for that. How much could we spend Tim? Unknown Speaker Oh, gosh. Unknown Speaker Tim. Unknown Speaker Support us on Patreon. Patreon. Unknown Speaker Patreon. Speaker 1 That sounds like a country made up. Okay, so just different items. Yeah, they were just used like the Americans are gonna hate it. Yeah, Speaker 2 American kids. They don't know what this is. It's not it's just a fun character that you just made up. Unknown Speaker And so give it a movie first. Speaker 2 So the reason why this relationship worked, allegedly was because PES global wanted to sell their stuff in the US. But PES us was being kind of a butthead about it. But Scott Unknown Speaker explained a true McQueeney about it. Yeah, Speaker 2 so the reason this relationship worked, allegedly is because Steve was showing up to PES global and PES global wanted to sell their stuff in the US. But Scott McWeeny was being a butthead. Like he was like, No, it's not my idea. So Unknown Speaker we're receiving a commission back to them. Allegedly. Speaker 2 Allegedly, no, allegedly, he was just buying the stuff outright and wholesaling, like wholesale. And then going back and selling it in the US. He was doing what he was buying it wholesale. Okay. And then selling us get Speaker 1 us around us a lot of words sometimes it's funny. That's what you know, I got it. Right. You know, I'm saying like when I got him good. When I go, what was it and he goes go back and listen to him and say, right. So Unknown Speaker the President, the President was being a butthead Unknown Speaker about it. Yeah. Big. Speaker 2 Global was like, Yeah, we're what I'm doing fine. We're Speaker 1 another to this guy. Yeah. And he and they're just like this the profit you make on it? Yeah. And then he is he paying a pretty high markup on it. He's paying wholesale because they're printing Speaker 2 them and they're sent shipping them all over the place. Yeah, and he's getting a whole bunch of these go back to Dallas dollars selling them on the gray market. On the gray market. It's a gray area. It's not black market items. It's not white market. It's gray in the gray area. I mean, I guess technically black market because it's not licensed, but he's selling it is reselling as like a collector. It's sure it's a weird gray area. Right? Okay. So it's coming back to the US and he's making fat profits on these. Yeah. So eventually he quits his job. He was a machinist. He would just cut Speaker 1 him out on the street performing is pretending to be a machine Speaker 1 you could do that. Thanks. That was really good. Can I wish for you? Till in talent night? Let's do a tail on talent show. Unknown Speaker Can I open for you please let me open to that. But Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen, Tim stone Speaker 5 bonus points if you get the headset mic a little too far in front of your mouth. Yeah, it's just like so. You're Unknown Speaker peeking. Yeah, Unknown Speaker you're just blowing on the mic. Unknown Speaker I just do it. Like 20 minutes. Speaker 1 That's how long 20 minutes? How long are we dating a good rule? Three. Do you think you think that someone would sit through there for 16 minutes and go this is fine. Unknown Speaker It's this sort of thing where at that at that timeframe? Unknown Speaker At the beginning, it's like ah, it's pretty funny. Speaker 4 Guy just walked up on stage. This isn't as funny anymore and you're like yeah, this was this was not a joke. This has been and then and then and Speaker 1 then it's kind of like okay, this is still a bit and then there's a moment in the middle where it gets kind of Unknown Speaker finally kind of easy still. Unknown Speaker This is wild commitment. And then there's a point Speaker 4 falls off and it falls off hard. People started throwing stuff and started yelling things at me. They said the building on fire never saw Speaker 1 the fire department shows up. You're just a crisp little robot in the middle there. Forever memorialized. Unknown Speaker Fire broke it Yeah. Unknown Speaker A SoundCloud rapper Unknown Speaker shows up and started rapping over the Speaker 1 Okay, so quit his job. He's done. He's like I life on the roads too tough. As a machinist. I gotta come home. But first, I need to go. Buy a bunch of PES. Unknown Speaker Literal boatload of pets. How many Unknown Speaker is he buying these Speaker 2 trip? At the height of his career? He went and he made a half a million dollar purchase on PEZ and is coming back with literal boatloads of pets and customs customs. The first time he comes back with like a pallet load of Pez customs. He's like, How will a Pez and now custom flags it? And custom says we got to I mean, you're not Pez. Yeah. So you can't import this. And so they look at the paperwork. And they check in they're like, Oh, well, PES never filed it. And they I saw an interview with the actual customs agent, Speaker 1 who the real one who was like, this is sketchy. Yeah. And Speaker 2 he checked in he said, Well, if they're dumb enough not to file their paperwork, then come on in. And that's exactly what he said. And this guy, just let them import the PAs. And he built this operation. He started doing these like, Where does he keep them? He's got a warehouse. Yeah, here I actually have a picture of his warehouse. Has warehouse and I literal pallet loads of pet. These are all peasants. This is just some random picture of a warehouse. I'm kidding. Now. This is actually from his blog. Unknown Speaker Watson just got a blog. He has a pet Speaker 2 blog. Okay. And so he he's running this this sophisticated operation. Sure. He's going to these past conferences so Speaker 1 risky, because I mean, at any point, it's over. Speaker 2 So he's going to these PES fan conferences. Yeah. Okay. He's got to these past fan conferences. He's selling all these these rare passes at these conferences. And making a lot of money making a killing, selling. Yeah. So he gets an invite to go to like an official Pez conference to sell at the Pez con. Speaker 1 And they're like, what that feels like a trap. Yeah, here's, here's why. You can see the Unknown Speaker guy left. Well, he's the bearded guy. Speaker 2 This is like his booth that he would set up at conferences. Speaker 1 He's a for those for Audio listeners. He looks like Unknown Speaker he looks like he would set up a marathon in middle school janitor. Unknown Speaker Beard. Big glasses. He looks like that guy was you know attire? Yeah, Speaker 2 it looks like the middle school janitor who's been saying he's gonna be here for like 30 years. You're Speaker 1 the guy. Yeah, if I told you about the janitor of my middle school? No, who had a comic book collection worth like a lot of money? Yeah, yeah. So I mean, kinda so I mean similar costumes. Robert. Yeah. But he has like three copies of the first ever Spider Man. That's kind of cool. Like he's I mean he's that's his retirement plan is his causes conflicts. Seriously? Interesting. He's got a lot of them. But anyway, so yeah, he looks like a middle school janitor. Big glasses long beard. And next to him is a clown. Yeah. Speaker 2 Literal. Full clown. Not not like a clown of a person. But like a clown. But Kalinago clown of a clown. Like a happy little clown Unknown Speaker with a Pez hat. Yeah. Speaker 2 And so he gained some notoriety selling these aftermarket passes. Sure. Or these I guess, gray market poses. Yeah, and making bank don't make an absolute bank making these trips over to Europe getting some stuff from the the dispensaries. Speaker 1 I like to enrich and looks like that, you know, that makes me feel great. Speaker 2 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Speaking of future episodes, we have a ton of past episodes. We have a back catalogue of well over 100 episodes. So check those out. My current favorite is Nelly Bly. She was a journalist from the early 1900s, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy. Some of the things that she did. We had a lot of fun in that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately just thanks for being here. Speaker 2 And he's not he's not it's not clear. Again, it's he claims that he's getting all these straight from global corporate. Okay, global corporate maintains that he must have had known someone at the factory that was sneaking them out of the factory sniffing out Speaker 1 pallets for him at the factory. Yeah, we checked the security camera footage, we found nothing. Yeah, we couldn't find one moving pallets. Speaker 2 Here's the thing about how the corporate structure of the company work though. PES America was really just the corporate engine. They didn't manufacture these in America, they still use the same manufacturing arm of peds global. So every time they had their license stuff, they would send it off to PES global and be like here's our stuff. And they'd print them and then ship them back to the US and be like, Okay, now you're ready to sell your stuff. And the President, remember McWeeny he had a passion project, a his own little Pez character he was designing. And he had been working on it for years prototyping this thing getting prototypes, made shipping them off to PES global to get these prototypes printed and sent over and testing and then keeps iterating on this right. Okay. Somehow, Unknown Speaker it looks just like Speaker 2 somehow glue gets his hands on these prototypes. Okay, he brings them back to the States. And he starts selling them. And he's got him at his like conference booths. And he shows up to this conference. And Steve glue has his Speaker 1 he literally goes to McWeeny and he goes This one's you Unknown Speaker he does the thing too. Unknown Speaker So these are Unknown Speaker these are some prototypes of the character that Unknown Speaker he was given his life to was a hot topic cabbie. These CB headliner, Unknown Speaker these these Speaker 1 dudes, for those listening. It's a typical cartoon character face with a huge years and a round nose. Yeah, with pink hair. And a police hat and a police like a cabbie hat or police hat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And McWeeny was like I spent years prototyping Unknown Speaker will crush in the States. But everything else Unknown Speaker I said, but this is what it's going to do. Speaker 2 But this had never hit market yet. Like he was still iterating on this idea. He was still testing it. Still working on it. Yeah, he was still working on it. And then Unknown Speaker burns need to be a little while. longer. Speaker 2 And now this guy is at his conference selling his product that he hadn't released yet his secret passion product product project, Speaker 1 I can't explain to you how much I hate that this was his secret, like you have to, you have to look at the video version of this episode, or at least Google this, to see what I'm talking about. That McWeeny Unknown Speaker devoted his life to these Speaker 1 would then tear down Steve's enterprise over this character. Speaker 2 He had another iteration that Steve also had got his hands on here. I'll pull this one in as well. So you can see this other iteration of this character. Speaker 1 Same character with red hair like normal red hair, not bright pa with a green bowl. green Unknown Speaker ball. Like the big bowl that when you watch a movie, you know a big bowl. Yeah, that Unknown Speaker one that big. Your mom Speaker 1 was loved to use. Yeah. And if you use it, she'd be like, What are you doing my popcorn bowl? Yeah, that's my that's my horrible mix Speaker 2 her rough. Porn. Yeah, sometimes m&ms If it was a really good weekend, or if it was m&ms and popcorn mom. Speaker 1 Yeah. And then you didn't realize how much of a genius she was trying to realize that she spent her whole life working on that project. For the whole family like that. You're ruined Homeward Bound by IBM, like, hey, m&ms in the popcorn. What are you doing, mom? Why don't you get the m&ms? Separate? Right. And she's like, why don't you mind your own? Speaker 4 Business? Yeah, I will take this movie Back to Blockbuster tonight. We want him to Speaker 1 go to bed. A little brat. That's what she that's what my mom would do. My mom would turn the volume up on a movie. I wasn't allowed to watch just as she would. So I would know she Unknown Speaker was watching the other room, but I wanted to watch it or Unknown Speaker you're gonna hear it and you're here. The spoilers at the Unknown Speaker end. Yeah, you're gonna know what happens. No, you're in your bedroom crying so you're holding a bullet you're holding Unknown Speaker your pillar holding turbos that you got yours got Unknown Speaker four pillows the whole house was insane. Speaker 1 Over You know, it was I went to a Pez coffee conference. And there's a little character with two bowls on his ears. And I was like, who saw my childhood? That's that's me. This is my life project. So anyway, he's got a bowl on his head. I can't believe that that's when he gave his life to so make weenie Speaker 2 was furious. And it became a personal vendetta for McWeeny to crush Steve glues. gray market pas How did you get these? Yeah, Unknown Speaker I don't know. I made them I designed them. Unknown Speaker These are my designs. They're originals. Unknown Speaker That's my design. Prove it prove Unknown Speaker it glue away I'm glue prove it we Unknown Speaker proven the winning Unknown Speaker that's your Unknown Speaker had a hot dog from McDonald's before just as insulting to his face that Unknown Speaker question. Speaker 2 And so what McWeeny does McWeeny had the idea he said he said okay, he said you're gonna you're gonna fight fire we're gonna fight fire. And so the next day Unknown Speaker I'm gonna shoot off your I'm gonna shoot your boat. I sank a whole cargo ship. Speaker 4 The only only one pallet one container the cargo ship was the rest of it was lazy boys because it was big that Unknown Speaker not the couches. Unknown Speaker So many leads on this boat. It's crazy. Unknown Speaker They weren't doing anything Unknown Speaker they were just casualties in the pegboard. Speaker 2 So the next day, he ordered 100,000 of these to be printed and shipped them to the US and was like we're selling them tomorrow. And so now this super rare Pez that was never at the market didn't exist, is now for sale for 18 cents at every grocery store in the United States. It seems Unknown Speaker like okay. I have so many other designs. Unknown Speaker I got so many other ideas. Let me tell you where to get I got another idea. You want Speaker 2 to hear my another idea? Here's I'm an entrepreneur. So I've got other ideas. You want to hear it? Sure. So what Steve does is Steve, you know, some people might say oh, yeah, corporate pas America's on me. Like I can't do any more. Speaker 1 He goes to every store in the country. A lot size elver Speaker 4 pushes about to the Michigan it like Michigan lights on fire and salute them as they've burned into the sea. Speaker 1 The cinematic shot is just odd Steve and the soft orange glow. Right in his glasses. Yeah. Speaker 2 To the image transitions that you just see peasants jumping over, overboard, burnin trying to get out and survive. Unknown Speaker They make a weird sound to a nonprofit. Oh, boy who was like okay, so how does how does Steve glue respond? Unknown Speaker Steve goes to his wife. And Steve says, Unknown Speaker Hey sunk. Not literally, don't worry. The boys are fine. Speaker 2 He says he says, he says, Honey, I have to do this honey, it's wartime. And she says he says, but there's, he said, I Steve glue. I cannot do this. He says I have to take on. I have to take on a persona. I have to take on a new me. And he says so now. I'm going to leave. I'm going to Europe. But it won't be me. Steve glue staying in the states. The Pez Outlaw is going to Europe. Unknown Speaker So he takes out this persona Speaker 2 100% cz takes on his persona, the PAs outlaw. And he's like it's all out words President vers pas outlaw who's going to win. And so he just keeps going overseas, Unknown Speaker the pairs out long. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. Unknown Speaker It keeps going overseas. Unknown Speaker Leave your wife and your kid for this. Speaker 2 He didn't leave her. He was just like, he was just like, I need you to let me do this. Like I have to pursue this. Speaker 1 If I came home, and my wife says hey, or that Queen thing I bought a couple months ago. Big expense. Yeah, yeah, I didn't like you did that. Yeah. Okay. Well, you're not gonna like this. Unknown Speaker This is gonna be worse than that. I think. I think Unknown Speaker I'm on the run Unknown Speaker because Americans after me Speaker 1 words, you got a big 10 gallon hat. And he's just like, I've he's like, Unknown Speaker I've passed off the president. You. Unknown Speaker You got any You got any child milk? The pears out law. And I'm in this town to get business done. Unknown Speaker It's the wild wild pass. Oh, yeah. Unknown Speaker For me, are you again? Because there's only two options when it comes to the Pez man. Are you in? Or do I gotta dispense of Yes. Unknown Speaker She's good. It's a good sir. But it's it's well. Oh, wait. Can we get custom Pez dispensers? I thought you can make them Yeah, yeah. I mean, they were they were Yeah. They don't make our ideas without us putting our ideas out there though. What? Speaker 1 What did you say? I was like, who your customer wants and you're like I think they make them they don't make them already. We had to customize them. Speaker 2 Oh yeah, they he did have he didn't have these you You joke but the Unknown Speaker Okay, yeah you know, it's wild Unknown Speaker I suppose just candy should you Unknown Speaker be in school right now Unknown Speaker these are banned. Speaker 3 In the US? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Scared the cops. Unknown Speaker Yeah, these these kill people. Unknown Speaker So he started going he's got them Unknown Speaker in holsters. Unknown Speaker He's just okay. So he's on. Is he on the road? Like he's not in legal trouble yet? Speaker 2 Not. It's it's gray area. Okay. Because America is not pursuing an illegal road. What they're pursuing is their Speaker 1 vigilance. Yeah, we're shutting they're not going for the law. They're going for they're going for Speaker 2 the total destruction. Yeah. And so he continues his operation. He's going overseas, he's shipping stuff back and Pez America is watching what he's doing. And they are attempting, every time he brings something in, they're like, we're gonna sell that. And so then they buy it and they start selling it and they flood the market with whatever he's buying. And so they they're trying to keep a close eye on what he's bringing in and what's rare in the US, okay, and they're like, we're gonna make it not rare. And so, pretty much every decision that they're making, after this of what Pez dispensers are going to be big in the US, which is, what did this guy bring in and try to sell? And it's hard to kind of get out that. Steve. Steve is selling it. So it's about to get pretty big, like in the it's not gonna be as rare because Steve's got it because they're trying to take them out. Speaker 1 And so after that does start to tank his business after a vicious cycle Speaker 2 of this, he kind of hangs up the hat, because he thought he could take them he thought he could keep up with them. But they're Pez, but they're Pez man. You can't you can't take on man. Yeah. And so he starts to hang up his hat. And he kind of has a moment where he realizes, you know, what, like, I could go legit. Unknown Speaker I could, I could compete, I don't Speaker 2 have to be a bad guy. Like, I could go legit. And so he goes, and he takes out a $250,000 line of credit. And he had to under $50,000 cash that he had been saving up from all this, that hidden selling prison. And he goes and he goes and goes, legit, gets his own designs, gets them legally covered, gets completely legitimate, sends them off to PES global prints a mall. And these are legitimate his own product. He's got his own line. Yeah. And what he's doing that was pretty clever. He's only doing a couple. Well, yeah, he's not doing a ton of everyone, but he's also taking already popular ones. And he's changing things about him. So he's adding different color variations of other ones. He's adding different hats or different items to them that they didn't have before. So these are his laces. So yeah, these are his designs that are Unknown Speaker done variation and like Disney, Speaker 2 Dumbo, it's not Dumbo okay. Yeah, it's rumba Unknown Speaker Okay, Speaker 2 and so he takes he takes these to market and they start selling really well because their designer brand passes from the PAs Allah Unknown Speaker you have a Steve glue. Unknown Speaker I think they're outlaw you have an outlaw Unknown Speaker was Gucci. Unknown Speaker And so, same thing, he sells these. He is starting to make good money. He's doing it legitimate Unknown Speaker in PES America is like we're gonna sell Pez copies Speaker 2 on Crushes. And then finally, that was a moment after that one where he tried to do things legitimate, where he kind of said, You know what, like, Unknown Speaker I'm out. I'm out. Speaker 2 I can't keep fighting you guys on this and trying to go back and forth like this. You guys are just killing Speaker 1 my mental health. Toll marriage. Yeah, you're just you're just, I'm, I'm an empty Pez dispenser. I'm out. Speaker 2 There's just dispense. Dispense. Dispense. We're gonna get Spence Unknown Speaker racist. Unknown Speaker How am I supposed to get sped up? Speaker 2 Okay. So he hangs it up. But five years after the fact, he realizes I think I got a story here. Yeah, I think the pens out lock and still win. And so he starts a blog. And he tells his story, okay, and he goes through all the tales, and he rides, blog posts, and it releases images of his these images look like frickin police lineups of like contraband that were captured. Yeah, he's releasing all these images of the things that he's found telling his stories, right, sure book. And then he gets a Netflix. No, it gets a Netflix documentary made about him that came out earlier this year, called the Pez outlaw. It's in his honor. And it's very good. It's worth a watch. And it tells his story. And here he is now. Unknown Speaker Oh, he's cool, though. He's using a cool old man. Unknown Speaker Yeah, he is really cool. Unknown Speaker He looks like a Portland Santa Claus. Speaker 2 And he is still campaigning in the Pez community. Speaker 1 And he says his shirt says Pez outlaw for President 2024 Yeah, Speaker 2 I'm not gonna lie. I hope he runs like legitimately. He seems to have good policy. But yeah, McWeeny ended up stepping down eventually and got replaced and pas left this chapter behind them. But the PES outlaws start here writing his blog posts and doing things in their PES community and helping grow the hobby and make a name for all told, though, over the course of his 10 years doing this, he made $4.5 million in revenue. And his biggest haul single haul was that $500,000 haul of Pez that he brought in that he purchased Wow. Unknown Speaker He never he never got sued or anything, so he didn't lose that money. Speaker 2 Well, I mean, he lost that investment. And he lost the investment in when he went legit. He invest a lot of money producing that better. So he lost that investment. But he didn't. He didn't lose it. Yeah, he didn't have any legal. Unknown Speaker Good for him, man. Speaker 2 So this is the PES outlaw, my new hero. Unknown Speaker This is who you look up to. Speaker 2 Yeah. Cool, because here's the deal. You got to think he designed this, not this. I could look up to this guy. Speaker 1 That's true. This guy, he's in the most corporate office looking thing I've ever seen in my life, too. I love Speaker 2 the idea that he got a marketing intern to come in and help him set all these up. Yeah. And he took like, Unknown Speaker pretty harsh flash lighting to Yeah, they Speaker 2 didn't have any actual lighting. He said, You got the flash. And yeah, he's like, I should be holding some shit. Speaker 1 And I is. Is peasant still in business, though. Speaker 2 Yeah, PES is still around. I haven't seen a peasant a long time, though. You said a Pez recently. No. Have you seen a Pez recently? Where are the pets? Unknown Speaker Well, I know when you get two of them close to each other. You go with this. Speaker 1 You can like and it'll it'll catch it and the other one back and forth. That's kind of cool. And do that too much. They really like when you walk away, like they come to life. Yeah. And they said too much. It turns into a particle accelerator. It will recreate them. That's actually and that's my theology. That's how we got here. Steve glue is my light Unknown Speaker steam glue is our dispenser he dispensed us Speaker 1 all right hey, I'm Alicia. Stay with us. For Speaker 2 things that are last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by ours Garnett video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah and Tim stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at Taillon podcast is Ti ll en podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


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Dr. Hwang Woo-suk – The Great Korean Cloning Scandal

06-20-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, dude, that energy drink. I feel great. Good Unknown Speaker Have you seen that? Did you see that dude, this is that new interview with Bart, where he's like he's like, Yeah, dude. Blood clots, man. They'll get you. Like he's like he's like, immediately. He's like, he's like, you'll just be you'll get up and then you're done. Yeah. It's like, Bro. This man is birth thinks about death all the time. He's really afraid. Oh. All right. Have you ever heard of a doctor claiming you suck? Unknown Speaker No. Unknown Speaker That's pronouncing Dr. Lang you suck. You suck is how you pronounce it suck. Yeah, it's w o su K. Okay. But I'm like, 99% sure it's not Whoo. It's you. That's why I heard everybody on the internet pronounce it. So with that, too, that they're playing you suck. We'll just call them hoeing for short, because otherwise Unknown Speaker you just call them you suck. You suck. Okay, so you suck. Let's take it from the top. Because you're over notating it's good. You're going you suck. You suck. You suck. You suck. You suck. He's check Unknown Speaker Do you think we can convince the public that he's no recreational cloning? No, only but Unknown Speaker you can eat the whole pizza and the next day. You'll feel fantastic. All right. Now, Alex wrote that down for the intro don't match. Not a no context. Click. That's not that's cancelable. Unknown Speaker Playing he was born in South Korea, okay. And he was what you call a smart kid. He had like a 4.0 grade point average. Very successful, intelligent kid family. Not so much. Okay. Family was just kind of, you know, so simple. Just the symbols the worst word to call somebody. That's so insulting. They were just simple people. Wow. Unknown Speaker That hurt my heart to hear to say that. And he loved animals. upper middle class people say that kind of crap. You know? They're not upper class. upper middle class. Yeah. And they want you as high as they go. They walk in your house. You're like, Oh, I love this house is so simple. It's so simple. Yeah. How simple. I love that. You're doing the minimalist thing here. Unknown Speaker Yeah, like someone got my car and do it. Like you drive. This was a Yeah, we got like how humble you are. I I hate how often I think about that. It's a good car. Every time I sit in my car, I tell myself like, oh, humbly. Unknown Speaker Every time as you're climbing all over the passenger seat to try to get into the driver's seat and cried like a cockroach observable. Man. I'm so, so humble. I'm humble. It's humility that I'm humbled to be here. I'm just humbled. I'm just so humble. So Unknown Speaker yeah, parents were normal for us. Parents were average he was he was he was he was intelligent genius. No, okay. Intelligent. Unknown Speaker goes on to become a veterinarian. Okay, and is vetting around Dylan in Korea? Yes, he's in South Korea vetting around. Unknown Speaker And this is around the early 90s. His vet career is taking off. And something significant was happening in the mid 90s. That he was watching from afar. Unknown Speaker Bill Clinton's inauguration. Nicholas in mid 1990s. There was a lab in Sweden that Unknown Speaker Scotland Unknown Speaker that had successfully cloned a sheep and they named it dolly after Dolly Parton. This is Dolly on a dolly. Unknown Speaker There's a lot that I love about this picture. One is the expression of the face of the guy pushing the sheep on the dolly. Yeah, two that's a saddle saddle saddle a bowl settleable sheep. We could put dolly on a dolly on a dolly Unknown Speaker dolly and she could be holding the Dalai Lama. Unknown Speaker The Dalai of the Dalai Lama. She could be holding a Dalai Lama Dalai Lama Dalai Lama Dalai Lama. Unknown Speaker that's holding $1 Yeah, that's what is Unknown Speaker the holly dolly is Unknown Speaker an AI model too. So she's she's talking to dolly while holding a dolly dolly that's holding $1 on a dolly on a dolly. I think I got all of them in New Delhi Dolly. And Unknown Speaker she can go to Dollywood dude like she could be at Dollywood. We could do this just in Tennessee. it all out. This isn't saying we're at her stampede. Yeah. You know she owns the stampede. I do know she owns the stampede. Is this sheep in it? No, the sheep died a long time ago. Okay. Spoilers. Unknown Speaker sheep don't live that long. This is an early 90s cloned sheep. How long does sheep live? I think not. The normal lifespan is about nine to 10 years. Is that how long the clone lived a little clone live seven years? Oh, that's actually okay. Yeah. Unknown Speaker Anyways, so this dolly or hey, this this sheep was is that? Yes, sheep was the sheep. The sheep was cloned in the early 90s. And how long is that vetting in South Korea at the time? Okay. And the world's losing their mind over the sheep. They're like, Oh my gosh, like while they cloned a sheep. What are they going to clone next humans. And that was the plan. And the West panicked, particularly George W. Bush. Panicked who didn't like that the first speech he made as president but first thing he did the first speech was it part of his inauguration day was Inauguration Day. And he said Ira said One Fish Two Fish. Unknown Speaker Red fish, blue fish dot Red Fish Red Fish. Yeah, it's not it's not. We can't have all these fish be the same fish otherwise, they're not different fish. How are we going to have? Our what how does capitalism work? If everybody's the same? How do I know I'm better than you? Have you heard me that's Unknown Speaker Are you quoting a speech? Unknown Speaker That was word for word what he said, Okay. He said I get how am i President of everybody's president? Okay. That's what he was just really didn't understand the concept of cloning. He was already insecure about his precedents. Unknown Speaker Okay. No, he had some serious problems about it because of religious reasons. He thought he felt like they was religiously not ethical. Yeah. What is the soul of a clone? It's the same soul. It's all the same. So that was a little bit of a serious question. Yeah. Unknown Speaker I mean, Unknown Speaker there's not there's not a which one does God lead in? I mean, the Bible doesn't know why he's so mad, dude, I'd be so mad if I got cloned the cloning to heaven. Oh. Unknown Speaker And so he really wanted to ban it because he felt like it was against God's will. Is that really what he said, though? Yeah. He said that, that it goes against the shirt, the natural order of the world. I think he said the I think the way he said it was the design of our Creator, as his verbiage. But there was also some other ethical concerns, I'll just say were the other effort, there was some other ethical concerns, the two biggest ones being well, maybe we should say three, the three biggest ones being population control. At the time, the only real Unknown Speaker the only real viable cloning method was a method known as Sen. T. And Sen. T, long story. Without getting too, too into the weeds Unknown Speaker required three mothers. So you had your DNA that you're cloning, and then you got an egg from one mother, you got a cell from another mother, you put the DNA and the egg together in there, and then you put it in a surrogate mother. And so they had really three different people. Yeah. And it was very invasive. And it was a dangerous procedure. And it could result in the inability to have children again, for any of those three mothers that were used in process. Unknown Speaker And the success rate was really low. So they got the sheep. Yes. And so the success rate was really low, too. So a lot of people were arguing that on the gamble that this works out to clone someone, okay, it's not worth the potential cost for those three people who are stepping in to be part of the process. Okay. The other major concern was there was an issue of Unknown Speaker one of the main priorities with cloning was not like oh, it'd be sweet if I had like 70 of me. Yeah, well, what are they trying to do with people weren't wanting to do that what they wanted to do was they wanted to clone Oregon's organs. And so if yes, your heart Unknown Speaker and put in your new heart, but that they couldn't make sense to me, but the brain they couldn't call Unknown Speaker on individual organs, they have cloned the entire body. Yeah. And so then how old is what? Do you do the clone yourself? And then you're a baby? Is that how it works? You put your brain in the baby. Unknown Speaker I'm saying. Unknown Speaker So the clone sheet was born as a baby sheet. Yeah, it was an infant. And then it had to grow out. It had the same DNA and everything. So it was a clone. But it was an infant. Yeah. But then so you would have this baby you're carrying around. And there was just like, well, good. Unknown Speaker Freaking hope he does. And I'm going to take him one day, which means that you got to love this kid grew up, you got to just keep getting your size. All right, Todd to give me a liver. That's kind of Unknown Speaker I guess I didn't think about it that way. That's kind of serious. You know, you gotta let this go. Let it go to Unknown Speaker learn. Unknown Speaker You can't you can't let it learn. I can't take I can't put a baby's heart inside of me. Unknown Speaker My heart is Unknown Speaker down. Alex wrote that down for the intro. Don't that's not a no context click. That's not that's cancelable. Unknown Speaker It's it's Unknown Speaker I didn't even think about that. They just they you got to let that thing grow up, right. Unknown Speaker And then you got to kill it. Nobody intended no serious scientist intended to do things that way to let it learn the intention at this stage in research was we learned how do we figure out how to do it in a test tube. Yeah. And then we learned to do just the Oregon's God, we're not planning on doing the whole person. But for us to get to that point, we have to start cloning to whole persons. And then we can start to break it down once we're able to be successful at that point. And then we can do just, oh, you lost a toenail. We're so like, you know, here's the thing, right? You got this kid with you all the time. Yeah. And you're like, yeah, it's my new kidney. Unknown Speaker And then Unknown Speaker I mean, it could live, you know, you could give you one kidney and it could live on. Yeah, yeah, it could keep going. And in case you need another, Unknown Speaker and it's social security number would just be your social security number point five to Unknown Speaker I don't know, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, there's so there's some things there. But nobody knows serious scientists. I guess there was some weird black black market scientists that probably were thinking that, but no serious scientist was like, Yeah, we're gonna go home and then just harvest all the orchids, either clone and ditch them somewhere. Unknown Speaker Either, that was not the play. Unknown Speaker The other concern that a lot of people had, okay, was a major part of this research, in terms of the market it could become was for agriculture, specifically for like cows, pigs and stuff like that wouldn't be cloned me. Yeah. And a lot of people thought that that was unethical to be cloning these creatures just to kill them. Which is, yeah, we should have we should make cows make love. Unknown Speaker And we can't take that from them. They deserve love and affection. And then we kill their kids. And that's the natural order of things Unknown Speaker that Unknown Speaker we do now. Cloning would be birthing cows for death. Yeah. And that's not ethical. And the way I farm I leave one gate in that field open. Unknown Speaker They're just stupid. Unknown Speaker And for that they deserve to die for that reason. It's their fault. Unknown Speaker I took their heart Unknown Speaker got a cow's Unknown Speaker heart of a bull. Unknown Speaker You know, you won't believe how much oxygen pumps through my veins. Every time my heart beats. You can see the pulse through my veins. Unknown Speaker I took the horns too. And they cool. Yeah. Unknown Speaker One time I was walking down the road. Somebody's jacket was a little too flowy Unknown Speaker friggin tackle them that just took over. Unknown Speaker And he's got that bull. Unknown Speaker Anyway, Unknown Speaker got my nose pierced a lot of stuff going on. Oh on top of it on top of it. This kind of goes in line with the first point too, but there was a almost a black market for eggs for human eggs. Because, okay, and there was already a precedence for it being illegal for people to sell their eggs because they didn't want that to be a sort of thing where Unknown Speaker People who were down on their luck are in like a badge of honor just ourselves. Because that's, it's obviously it's an invasive procedure. Unknown Speaker But keep your eggs. Unknown Speaker Okay, so, bullies. What Unknown Speaker is Unknown Speaker this pizza crust? crust? Just across Unknown Speaker all the rest of the pizza? What is it like a frickin adjustment thing that just needs a customizable crust that they just tell you the crust and customizable you just put it on whatever your pizza is. Go get the pizza somewhere else. We Unknown Speaker always we do the crust. Yeah, it's the crust is super sharp. So just slide it under the crust, like slide in place to fit it on. Push the crust out. Why don't you just go to me you just said we had to stop for a train and in the middle of this you go and pizza sounds really good. And I was like, yeah, it does. And you go babo Lee's Unknown Speaker like you just like you just couldn't think of a way to make up a dumber, more Italian sounding world. This is Unknown Speaker a real thing. By Bo Lee's it's called Bob. Oh, no, it's not. It's called Bob Ali's got here. Bob Ali's This is a guy named pizza crest. Who's not Italian who's only flavor of Italia is fuzzle lease. Can you Unknown Speaker and then he was like let's do bubble this. Unknown Speaker What are you looking at up? Unknown Speaker Crossed the mind? What was the most annoying thing you said today? That was a really good line and you tried to I liked it. You tried to just go right I really did want it. i Okay, we should open a pizza place. I'm trying to figure out that is actually a business idea that we're going to do though I would love to open a pizza restaurant. Let's do a pizza place. Yeah. Unknown Speaker Baba Ali. I was looking up the calorie count because it's really, really really low. baobab. Oh, Unknown Speaker calorie counts. Hello. Yeah, how it's just cross. Unknown Speaker Compared to a pizza. Of course. Calories are super low if you get rid of everything else on the pizza. Unknown Speaker But that the the, the FAQ I found on their website was can you eat it? Unknown Speaker And I was like, What do you think this is? But turns out it was a dog crossbones. What they were asking was, Can you eat it raw? Unknown Speaker None of this answered. Any questions I have. So it's a it's a pizza crust. It's a pizza crust. Here's the deal you it's a full sized pizza. That you you're trying the pizza crust. Yeah, you need to you need to go get your own your own cheese, your own sauce, your own toppings, whatever your own narrow, but at the end of the day, the crust itself which is usually the heaviest part depending on where you're loading in. There is only 160 calories for the whole thing. Only three grams of fat for the whole thing or for one slice. Let me look. It's for half for half the pizza. Yeah, 160 calories. Let me see ain't bad at all picture of this bubble these Unknown Speaker Is this what you were you told me about this a couple weeks ago. I freaking love it. It's so good as not heavy. You can eat the whole pizza and the next day you'll feel fantastic. I'll tell you what. I could do that with a normal pizza. And that's that's my real Mike. I feel you don't feel bad after No. You eat the whole thing. You don't feel bad if I eat a whole pizza. I hate myself for two weeks. Unknown Speaker Again Unknown Speaker I'll be honest, this although we get a higher lunch Great. Oh, it's so good though. It really is it genuinely here here. Here's a perfect this is a perfect image Unknown Speaker this is this is a perfect image. This is a really good image. So it's like like a good image. Do you see this? We're not sponsored by the way Unknown Speaker but boldly, fully try to get sponsored delicious. Anyway, you imagined it already out. Here it is outside the package with nothing on it. It's a tortilla. Yeah, we might have to blur that. It's a tortilla. Unknown Speaker That is a tortilla. It's genuinely so good. Yeah, it's not a tortilla, but it's genuinely delicious. It's it's one of my favorite homemade pizza crusts. And it's very locale Unknown Speaker low fat nothing. I mean it is mostly sugar. Are you trying to get fit or what? I'm just trying to like not be such a lard Yeah. Unknown Speaker Yeah, good luck, man. But what what what made you change Brent and Brent made these one night and I was like, Holy crap. Where is this from? What made you change and why are you losing weight? I just feel bad a lot. Unknown Speaker Anyways, check it out. Bubble Unknown Speaker Hey, I wanted to give you a heads up that our tilahun patron hangout is happening on June 29. At 6:30pm. By the time that happens, I'll be a married man. So I'm taking time away from my beautiful wife to come hang out with our $20 patron supporters. So maybe like, you know, be thankful, okay, is what I'm saying. Unknown Speaker But for real, we're very thankful for our Patreon supporters, because without you, the show doesn't happen. So, every month we do a hangout for a $20 tear. And the next one is on June 29. At 630 Come hang out with Tim and married me. You know, it's gonna be great. Unknown Speaker Yeah, so I don't know how we got here. It's clone crust. They it's not real crust. It's actually Unknown Speaker so yes. Right. So a lot of unethical practices involved in cloning. Yeah. And so the US, they banned black market for pizza crusts. Yeah, they're don't even get me started on the pizza cross market. Unknown Speaker Bush all but outlawed it. Like he didn't know why. But he like made it to where you can get federal funding. And if your lab is involved in cloning at all, then you're laughing even if you're not using the federal money for cloning. Yeah, you lose all your federal funding. Yeah. So that's how they do it. It became this thing where it was impossible to keep working with it. Yeah, in the States. That's how the government controls people through their funding that way. Yeah. That's I mean, that's what they're doing with schools. Yeah. It's like no CRT. This was like, Yeah, but we kind of want to teach it in our history class and stuff. And they're like, well, you're gonna lose all your money. Well, you're not even paying for history classes. Now. We don't care. No money at all. No money. That's how they do it. Yep. It's like such weird. Unknown Speaker Politics. Yeah. Yeah. So we should run for office. Unknown Speaker So what happened was twins, we could convince Do you think we could convince the public that he's twins Unknown Speaker not just Siamese twins. Unknown Speaker Were 5x shirts. And we just love you Unknown Speaker flick shorts? Yeah, I got the good jeans. You know, I'm saying. Unknown Speaker And we have completely different jeans. Yeah, I have blue eyes. I have brown everything. Unknown Speaker Brown Unknown Speaker Okay, Unknown Speaker so Unknown Speaker I think we could do it though. I don't think I don't think anybody would buy it. But I'm willing to try. Unknown Speaker You're willing to try. That's what matters. Unknown Speaker That's step one. Unknown Speaker Is being willing. So you know, I'm saying because that's the only way to get elected. They can't. That would suck. What if one of Siamese twins What if one wants to break run for office? Yeah, and the other doesn't the other wants to do crime or whatever. You know? Unknown Speaker That would be really frustrating. Like if you were like a siamese twin. And you were a super chill super laid back like honestly lazy person. Yeah, but your twin, you know, driven. Yeah, just pursuing this crazy career like working 70 hours a week and you're just stuck there. Playing Gameboy with your left hand. Yeah. Unknown Speaker And the other ones like I want to get ripped. I want to work out we got to wake up at five Unknown Speaker peloton and you're just like, freaking hanging on the thing. You know? And he's just like, you go for a ride every morning and you're like, No, no, you're good. You're good. You're good. You're good. You're good. Unknown Speaker And that's like, was like freaking. He's all in both of you. And you're gaining weight. It's harder for him every morning, because you're such a sack of crap. You know? He's eaten by Bowie's you're eating freakin pizza. Yeah, it's like, you know, stop putting that it is our body. Our bodies do. He's like no, it's my body. It's my half. Unknown Speaker Oh man, man. Siamese twins are weird dude. Can you imagine they're clones though Unknown Speaker we've just stumbled on something I didn't want to be in this conversation anymore. Holy cow Unknown Speaker that sounds it got like seven other little closer walking into Disney World with just in case I think Unknown Speaker what you see there what are you got? Your hands are holding hands the Red Rover going into Disneyland. What are you talking about? I Unknown Speaker said the cloud over. Unknown Speaker Yeah, because the Star Wars area Clone Wars you get it? So it's a good time. I like I liked the storyline where Unknown Speaker 70,000 years ago, everybody was Siamese twins. There's a storyline in the solo that not saved me Unknown Speaker When was the deformation? Yeah, but then there was like some guy who was cloning and it was an accident. And he actually made a whole bunch of singles. Single peoples Yeah. And then there was like this uprising between the two groups, the doubles versus the singles. And then the singles, obviously one out and then they made up this story about, I don't know, Adam and Eve or something and a flood. Unknown Speaker And then they're like, this is our reality. Unknown Speaker There was never what you're saying. There was a siamese twin genocide. Unknown Speaker 70,003 Unknown Speaker is your theory that's that's where they get the flood story, Bob. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Unknown Speaker All right. I'm pretty Yeah, we got here too. Okay, so Unknown Speaker what is happening? Unknown Speaker is really stupid. That's okay. While you're screwing that back on, there's a lot of issues with this podcast, like the fact that we had to restart it in the middle. So if you're listening Unknown Speaker Oh, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so if you're listening, we had to restart this whole episode, because we tried to do this a week ago. And Unknown Speaker there was some weird loud noise happening. We're in an industrial part of town, hopefully not much longer. But you know, we'll see. And Unknown Speaker you know, we got trains we got an industry is stuff industry act happening around us. And so we had to call an episode in the middle because it got too loud. And so you are literally the dumbest person I've ever seen in my entire life. Tim still trying to fix his mic. I'm stalling. Got it fixed. I've got to fix we're good to go stalling for time. That's what we should have called this show. So Unknown Speaker so here's what happened. Bush outlawed cloning. Yeah, basically. And all the corners said outline without outlining it. But all the corners were like we were having too much fun cloning. Let's go to where we're allowed to. Yes, they all Iran. Unknown Speaker Where are they allowed to clone? I don't know, a lot of other places. Oh, really. And so they just kind of flew over it. Like, hey, we want them? Well, South Korea, South Korea was really, really, here's, here's the thing, South Korea, at this point in time was going through an interesting phase in their history. Unknown Speaker This is now the late 90s. and South Korea had never had like an industry that bike they could like hang their hat on yet, like they had. They had cars, they had it. But like Japan and China were bigger than them. And both of them, they wanted to submit their spot on the world stage in the 90s. Unknown Speaker As they were looking for that kind of technological advancement that could put them ahead and put them on the map and make them a significant World Player. Sure. Unknown Speaker They were Unknown Speaker they had a handful of these larger companies. They call them tables, which I've thought about doing an episode about tables. Unknown Speaker For a while they're kind of Unknown Speaker there's like, it's like a gray line between like government and business. Sure, but it's like the government kind of is like the days but we're also the government but we're also not a part of it. But are these but like we're not, you know, I guess you know, and so it's it's a it's a great thing. There's a lot of significant tables, which reminds me Unknown Speaker I got something I wanted to show you all something I wanted I want to do it here. So there's Unknown Speaker this is a clip that I found in researching this topic from a creator named Bobby broccoli. Unknown Speaker Thank you. Unknown Speaker Which by the way his video on this he does a two part series on this. It's very very well done. It's one of the watch. We're gonna watch the whole thing right now we're we're gonna listen to one clip from this Unknown Speaker because I just really want you to hear ready. Oh, does he say anxious? No, it doesn't say anxious. Don't worry. Okay. Unknown Speaker Brands like high on die LG and Samsung. Unknown Speaker I'm not alone. Unknown Speaker I'm glad you and Bobby broccoli Unknown Speaker can feel validated. You want to listen to it again? No. Unknown Speaker Oh, that makes me so happy. Unknown Speaker I hate I knew what it was. You said ancient. Yeah, but it was the same thing. Yeah, but Unknown Speaker I'm saying I said it right. And so Bobby broccoli, my man. Unknown Speaker Okay, so all these all these scientists went over to all these different nations to start pursuing Unknown Speaker cloning because they couldn't do it in the US anymore. Unknown Speaker Korea saw this. And they said, Oh, US is at our thing us is out. And so because the US is out, there's a decent chance that some other western states might also back out of this and be like, Oh, it's not. It's not nice. We don't want to be a part of it. And they said, Let's do it. Unknown Speaker So they started looking for someone, a scientist in their nation that they could say, You're the clone, man. Go clone me. Unknown Speaker Lone Wolf. Unknown Speaker And so Unknown Speaker the clone Ranger now that's good. That's good. Right there. So in dry in, in rides, the Kona Ranger hyung. You suck. Unknown Speaker We mentioned him a long time ago and just now brought him back into the school week ago, I realized what this talk was about. That's what it is this whole time. Like, what is this episode? What is this? Yeah, Hongyu suck. Unknown Speaker is here. I'll show you a picture of him. He was a veterinarian in Korea, right. Unknown Speaker Almost three, the wrong picture from the next episode. This is one of the very good, Unknown Speaker okay, but this is Hong, you suck. And an American scientist. Okay. But Hong was a Unknown Speaker was a veterinarian Unknown Speaker who had worked in like, animals is relevant or no. Yes, he is an he's an American scientist that will get very involved in okay. Unknown Speaker But he was a veterinarian who was involved in reproductive Unknown Speaker science for animals. Unknown Speaker And he was he practiced in vitro and animals and things like that. So he like, he, like had a step in that direction, but was on the animals. And so they were like, hey, like, you've, you want to do this? And he was like, Yeah, let's do this. And so he started working on cloning a human cloning animals. He was like, he's like, can I clone animals? At this point? Cloning animal clones existed? Yeah, but Korea had never cloned an animal. It's like can we start going down that road to clone an animal and real and show that we can do this to Sure. Unknown Speaker And so in the late 90s, he him in his lab successfully Unknown Speaker in 99, they successfully cloned a dairy dairy cow Unknown Speaker and they brought in this huge photo op and they made him a national hero. They were like this is Unknown Speaker good Unknown Speaker did the dairy cow produce milk? It's a cloud but don't ask about it's Unknown Speaker serious. I mean, yeah, it was it was fine. It was normal dairy cow. Okay, that's what I wasn't. Unknown Speaker I didn't know if you ever like a couldn't produce milk. It was bad milk. Unknown Speaker Like rotten milk. It produced think of almond milk. That was the kind of milk we were Unknown Speaker designed so I don't know what he threw in there. Unknown Speaker It was just Kool Aid. Unknown Speaker Guy guys, you guys gotta go check this out. My dad just got this new cow. Unknown Speaker Blue, blue Kool Aid. Kool Aid and a batch is through our walls everyone. Unknown Speaker Oh, yeah, it doesn't even move. Yeah. Kilala geese. Unknown Speaker We thought that we were reserved it was a clone. Unknown Speaker It's a cooling thing or, I don't know, clone aid. Unknown Speaker So by me, it was a normal dairy cow then. Yeah, it was a it was a normal. Okay. You flew in all over to see this dairy cow. Yes, exactly. Unknown Speaker And so they did these. They did all these photo ops and all this stuff. And then it just kind of started rolling like he was the cow. Unknown Speaker Sir rolling around, or the Photoshop photo ops, they're like, what's going on with the cow? Like, oh, he does that close. Close. He does. Unknown Speaker She does that. And so they they started cloning pigs. A lot of patients and they got a really successful clinic as they start getting these deals like with companies in the area in Korea, and he was named scientist of the year in 2004. And became almost this like Unknown Speaker unnaturally famous individual like it like a Steve Jobs like he was like the zeitgeist he was. He was a hero, because he was making Korea the face of cloning cloning. Unknown Speaker But there was a couple things that happened. Unknown Speaker That were a struggle for him. Unknown Speaker Up until this point in Korea, it was a big deal. They had all this like, Oh, he's cloning stuff, and successful cloning stuff. But he couldn't get into any real peer reviewed scientific journals. Okay. And part of that is, as much as like we want we want to say like, journals are, it's a, it's an academic achievement. There's a whole political game to get into those journals. And he didn't have the clout outside of Korea to get himself into any of the major journals. Okay. And so that's where that guy that you saw a second ago, he was a distinguished scientist. Hold on, let me pull up his name. So I get that right. Gerald Schatten. He was a distinguished scientist and Pittsburgh, who was studying science or studying cloning. Before looks like Unknown Speaker Zack. Unknown Speaker Wow. Unknown Speaker Isn't that weird? Insane. Unknown Speaker It's the smile on the eyes and the nose. Yeah, that is that is our friend Zach. That's what he's gonna look like when he gets older and gets into cloning for a bit. Zach is his clone. Unknown Speaker That honestly the age lines up? Unknown Speaker Because because Jack was born in 2004 Oh, Gerald was studying this before Bush. He was working on cloning. Oh, and push out lot of Bush Senior was in office. No push George W outlawed it. But high studying early. Oh, yeah. Okay. When Bashar you don't know the President, you don't know. Saying pushing your outlot It knows w outlot it but yeah, he was back when Bush Senior he was he was working? Yeah. Unknown Speaker Debbie had to go in and get get done what his dad couldn't. Yeah, he had to finish finish the game. Unknown Speaker So Gerald, like he cared about cloning, but he wasn't allowed to do it anymore. Because he was to the University of Pittsburgh. My hobby is outlawed. Unknown Speaker I just got a clone. He's like Kevin Bacon and Footloose. But Unknown Speaker Dan says dances out there, replicate and Unknown Speaker duplicate. It turns out a boombox. And you just sit there cloning stuff with a lot of attitude. Unknown Speaker You imagine walking into that in the in the woods? Yeah. To your walk out? Pretty wild. What happened? Unknown Speaker I'm gonna be honest, we don't remember which? We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We don't. There's 100 of you. We were told not to say anything. In unison. We were told not to say pretty wild stuff. So. Okay, so Jalen steps into the picture. And Joe has a name for himself. And so they co authors, they aggregate you in some magazines, they co author a paper Unknown Speaker talking about these cloned stem cells, that achievement was a major one because they said that they took 242 eggs. And they were able using that to create a a complete stem cell line, which had never been successfully done before. Sure. And they did it with just 242 eggs, which was really low. And what do you do with the stem cell? just duplicate it. You duplicate it? Yeah. But like, Unknown Speaker you put it you put it in a surrogate let it grow. And I mean, the cell would duplicate. So okay, come and a human so we're okay. We're trying to clone humans. Unknown Speaker To humans what they're trying to do. I don't think that's Unknown Speaker I don't think like the full process has ever. We're not going to reveal until he's an adult. Unknown Speaker You don't think there's a six year old out there right now? There are. Here's what I say. I do know that there are some like Unknown Speaker some little black market people who are like, Yeah, this is a clone I made. But it's like, this is a clone me? Yeah. But it's like, I don't know if there's any like, Okay, any, like legitimate, successful human, you know, a lot about the black market are are legitimate, you know? Yeah. I mean, like, there might be an illegal clone kid out there somewhere, maybe, but it's most likely all the people who claim that they are lying. Unknown Speaker And so they made a pretty big claim. They published this, this article on it, put it in the science and it got published in the science. Unknown Speaker Okay. Unknown Speaker I like to submit this science please. That's what the turtles called. Science. Okay. So this is submitted into science and it passed and it got published. And now they're now they're worldwide cloning experts. And they just went on this this tour of cloning like he started cloning. More more cows more pigs he cloned at first to successfully clone a dog. This is an African Unknown Speaker And a hound that he cloned. Okay? Which I'm gonna be honest now could have picked a better looking dog. That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna call it a dog. I'm not trying to body shame a dog. Unknown Speaker Like but now on like, that's the kind of dog where like like that that breed of dog you see that on the street you think I should call him control even if it's with an owner on a leash. You're literally well groomed. Yeah, I'm still gonna call Unknown Speaker that doesn't belong in public. This dog is offensive to my eyes. Unknown Speaker But I look at him all the Unknown Speaker time. He's like Unknown Speaker he's like I made a mistake cloning this one. Unknown Speaker No, there's regret in his eyes. Unknown Speaker Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Speaking of future episodes, we have a ton of past episodes. We have a back catalogue of well over 100 episodes. So check those out. My current favorite is Nelly Bly. She was a journalist from the early 1900s, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy. Some of the things that she did, we had a lot of fun in that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately, just thanks for being here Unknown Speaker so he's, he's, he's on cologne, Cologne, nein, Unknown Speaker nein, okay, how many jokes we can make. Unknown Speaker And so going on this tour, doing all this stuff in 2005, he gets republished in silence with a new article again with his same part, science partner, Unknown Speaker their partners in class Unknown Speaker in science, this time, and even even bigger achievement. They use 185 eggs to create 11 human embryonic stem cells Unknown Speaker que and so massive successes after massive successes of these clonus Sure. Unknown Speaker Cloning and so he's out here he's on this press tour. He's Bastion Bush, by the way, Unknown Speaker left and right. He's been like you should have you should have let this guy Kelowna your country's talking. Yeah, he's got distracts. Like he really is though. Like that's not a joke. He really was publicly, like calling out bush for banning it in the states and say yeah, the scientists there you got a lot of talented scientists and the field can go a lot further if you guys work to pursue this. Yeah, and his end game I should say his end game was always medicinal. It wasn't I'm going to create an army of clones and take over the galaxy. That wasn't his goals. Unknown Speaker Let's be clear, let's be clear about his intentions. When he submitted to science he says hey science I'm trying to use for medical give me some let it be but it doesn't have to be recreational no recreational cloning no only but this Unknown Speaker is Unknown Speaker what he wanted to do is he wanted to grow organs Yeah. and have it be the that was his his end goal. That was his route. Like a lot of people who were studying cloning that's where they want it to take this is this Are we there though case you spray on skin? Why don't you just say can't you spray on skin? Don't leave it like I'm an idiot. You know what I'm talking about? I'm gonna Google spray on skin there you go. Yeah, go ahead and do that. So like burn victims. They're able to like yeah, there you go. Oh, you looked at me like I was so stupid read read science. Unknown Speaker Science says about is from Temple Health. Unknown Speaker I had a procedure done last week. I got all new skin right now. Didn't need it at all. It just was curious. Just kind of wanted it. extra protection. Unknown Speaker Interesting. Yeah. Long story short, long story short, they are taking a piece of your skin. Uh huh. converting it to a solution. And then like you would a bottle of for breeze mixing it together with something else in it. It's like It's like when you run out of soap. And you Unknown Speaker can kind of stretch that so little longer. They're doing that with your skin. Unknown Speaker That's so weird. And science is crazy. I guess but that's not cloning. That's that's diluting I guess. Okay, sure. They wanted to clone the whole the whole thing, right? Sure. Unknown Speaker Do that 1005 He signs a deal. He signs a couple of deals with major farms to produce more animals and clones cloned animals for industry farming. Yeah, for industries Unknown Speaker And that's not illegal. That was not in Korea. Oh, sure. Sure. In the States, no, yeah. And other places and a lot of other places at that point it was, but they're like, We don't care. Unknown Speaker We do our own thing. Yeah. Unknown Speaker All this is happening. He's getting worldwide attention. And the journal Nature sciences biggest competitor. Unknown Speaker Okay, which really is science and nature are the two biggest journals. Yeah. Unknown Speaker But the journal Nature a journalist, there's like, so for my high school journal, or I would detail all my prayers to God. It's huge. And it's full of garbage. If you're gone back and read what you're used to, like, write and consume your thoughts with? No, you know, that's embarrassing. Humiliating isn't what I would use. Unknown Speaker We should read our high school journals on here. Can I read a book I wrote in high school? Oh, Unknown Speaker please. Yes, I wrote. Unknown Speaker We get an audio book. I wrote a war novel. As a high school kid. Yeah, we have to do that. For Patreon. What are you talking about? Your Unknown Speaker opening line? The opening line said, and more. You tend not to think much. You just do what you're told and try to stay alive. Yeah. Unknown Speaker I feel a lot about you, a sheltered kid from Denver, Colorado. I'm gonna write on the struggles of the front lines. Unknown Speaker I mean, right. Well, you know, yeah. Yeah, I think it was, I think what you call it? I think it was called through the eyes of Sergeant Winslow. Oh, nice. Sergeant Winslow. That's your neighbor. I had a different name for MK LG to write a different name for the vape character halfway through change it but you didn't update it. I'll never forget, I literally I'll never forget this. I had a name for him. I don't even remember what the first name was for her. And I loved that name. And then I remember a sequel this via game I love came out. And I realized, Oh, crap, that's one of the characters in that game. Gotta change it. Yeah. And the storyline of my whole book is just just war. Unknown Speaker Through the Eyes of Sergeant Winslow, who, by the way, I took his eyes because he grew up, and his whole purpose was to harvest those eyes for myself. So I guess my Unknown Speaker life is through the eyes of Sergeant Winslow, it is now it is now. Alright, save in that, Sergeant Winslow kept the rabbit though. Nice. Okay. So Unknown Speaker um, so nature, nature. So a journalist that nature was Wow, read your audio book, by the way. Unknown Speaker I'll do it. They already do direct we'll do audio, each other's audio, but Unknown Speaker I don't know if I want to do this anymore. Okay. Unknown Speaker So nature is like whole lot science. Yeah, nature, we got Unknown Speaker to get a little too crazy. Unknown Speaker The journalists that nature said, Hey, obviously, like he published two of these stories in science. And so that's peer reviewed, backed up and all this stuff. But everything else he did the cows, the dogs, the pigs. There's just a press tour. Like there's no data that's been released. And he was like, Can we see that? And they were like, Oh, yeah. Unknown Speaker And that's that was their answer. And they just got they got the runaround for a while about the data, all these other all these other cases. So Unknown Speaker he started digging a little deeper. And he realized, Okay, you guys got 246 human eggs, which every single one of those has to be extracted in a single procedure. And so you had to have a lot of donors to pull it off Unknown Speaker the rules. And this was Korean law, but also like, a lot of law like. Unknown Speaker Okay, so Korea didn't have a law on this when he started. But by the point when that article came out, they came up with a new law that said, Unknown Speaker you cannot sell eggs, you have to donate them. Sure. But there was before that, like an ethical boundary where it was like, you can't, you can't buy right even in places it was legal to it was like that's, you can't do that, you know, it was a local thing and an ethical boundary. So it wasn't law, but it was Unknown Speaker Very clearly everyone agreed it was not ethical. And then eventually Korea made a lot. Unknown Speaker They had got a lot of eggs. Yeah. And so there was some questions about how I find that many donors like that's a lot of don't Yes. Unknown Speaker And they said all we just had a logo. Unknown Speaker We found one way to clutter is under 245 times. Unknown Speaker And we took those eggs. Yeah, you should see the basement. Unknown Speaker Okay. Unknown Speaker To the light, no, you know what, it's I gotta go. I was like, Man, I'm so tired. Because I'm hungry. I just realized I'm bored as you're telling this story. So where did they get 246 eggs from? Unknown Speaker Long story short. So he started, he started interviewing a bunch of people from the company trying to get like a straight story on it. And a lot of people were giving him the runaround. And then he found this young Unknown Speaker laboratory assistant, she was I don't know what's going on at the company. She was a student, you were like, hey, what do you guys do here? Big. They really couldn't tell you what you said. They knew but they couldn't tell you no. Unknown Speaker But there was this intern. She was a she was a college student. She was there studying. She got a call from this journalist and nature. And he said, Hey, so I've been I'm writing this article about what happened here. And I'm just curious, that's a lot of eggs. Do you know where they got them? And she said, Oh, we donated them. And she was like, he was like, What do you mean, we donate? And she's like, Oh, I donated a couple. And I know a lot of the other Unknown Speaker women in the lab donated them as well. Okay. And he was like, Oh, interesting. And he was like, did they pay you for that? And she was like, oh, some people got paid. She said, but a lot of us we did it because we like we wanted to help like, and he was like, That's strange. He's like that all the women in the lab do that. And she said most most of us, but the other ones aren't here anymore. Unknown Speaker I'm sorry. What was your name again? Oh, no, I gotta, I gotta go. Okay. Okay. Have a heavenly day. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that was kind of how the conversation went. And then he was like, Well, Kate, can Can I talk to any of the other women? And she said, Well, I don't know if I'm allowed to. I don't know if that's like, confidentiality thing was like, hey, this was donated. Yeah. And she was he was like, he's like, that's fair. He's like, Well, how about this all give you give them my information. If they're comfortable, can they reach out? And he was like, she was like, Yeah, I can do that. And so they get off the phone. And 30 minutes later, he gets a call back from this woman. And she's like, Hey, I just dragged me down. They stole my eggs. And she was like, Hey, I just wanted to give you a call back and let you know I lied about that. I didn't actually donate any eggs no ice Yeah, sorry. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I was mistaken. Sorry. I was thinking about the Easter party and I brought it Unknown Speaker and I thought surely who's what? Article person? Unknown Speaker I didn't know the word journalists. What article person is calling me about my Easter eggs? Yeah, I'm really sorry. Usually girls and if you tell you what I'll kill you. Unknown Speaker I will just like your house. I've got a message I'm supposed to read to you now. I mean, I've got a message I want to read I got a message here we go I got a message they're gonna read to you and I want you to hear Unknown Speaker what it says it says it says in war you Unknown Speaker I read the wrong Oh no. So that's my book. That's Unknown Speaker the book I'm reading is the note I supposed to read? Unknown Speaker And it said Don't forget, work cloners will kill you and clone you and no one will know. Unknown Speaker And he was like that flowed really well, there's a note here but I don't know how to read it. Because when I was growing up, they never taught me to learn because they harvested my eyes Unknown Speaker nature then puts out this article that basically says hey, therefore work your employees the working conditions at this lab are not great. They broadcast that they're like a family which all of us know is a big red flag. Yeah, I mean like most people are talking about toxic workplaces and they're like yeah, do the higher ups are kind of mean to us. And another toxic workplace is like yeah, the higher ups harvest our bodies Unknown Speaker for science and they say as part of like our like yearly reviews like how much did you have to give? Yeah. Unknown Speaker And so they put out this article and it was like a pretty like, inflammatory like, this is hostile work conditions. sure things are not good. Watch out and Korea as a whole Unknown Speaker not just the lab, not just the government, but the populace, the people blew up because this was their hero. And they were like, they're like, you can't like, you can't come in here as someone a Western or someone from the outside and tear down our like now. Yeah. And they raised one pretty decent point. Unknown Speaker It's a gray area of when these donations happened, there was a law that went into effect. And they the lab maintains that these donations happen before the law went into effect. Unknown Speaker It was clearly unethical, though. Unknown Speaker They clearly should not have have done that. But what's your what the Korean populace claim was that they're you're, you're putting Western ethics onto our Eastern society, and for us, like, we value our company. And so we are comfortable with making that donation. Because we are a part of that team. And that's, that's the way we operate. That's interesting, too. That's their argument back. Yeah. And so they like they were like, they're like, that's a Western. that's those are Western ethics are trying to impose on us. And we're not that way. And so, so the person who wrote the article ends up being the bad guy. Unknown Speaker It's like she has just released a novel shoot. Unknown Speaker Okay. Unknown Speaker But that opened up a kind of crack in the armor before this. Unknown Speaker clung was kind of untouchable. He was, he was like, now they're like, this is more of scrutiny. They're watching. Yeah, so there's some people who are looking, he's got a lot of people who came around him to defend him in this. But there was some questions that arose out of it. And so there was a particular media conglomerate in Korea called NBC, not NBC. NB sure him like as in Mike, man, you know, like, No, I know, it's Mike is what pilots say, I know. You don't know that. But yeah, go ahead. Yeah. So NBC had a show called producers now. Unknown Speaker And it was kind of like it is like a Dateline. Sure what they had. And so they had like a four part series that they put together, where they started looking in and being critical of the lab, began with working conditions. And they found that there was a lot of really high working expectations, but a lot of these things were not out of the norm and their culture. They had a common phrase in the company that went like this. It went Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Friday, Friday. Unknown Speaker Okay. So there was no days off. He Hwang himself would constantly say they also another phrase, what belongs light is my mind. Unknown Speaker Hong would often say, your stem cells don't sleep on the weekend. So you shouldn't, either. Unknown Speaker Okay. And so that was they had very high standards, they worked very, very hard. But that wasn't super out of the norm in Korea at the time, right. And so it was kind of touching on a lot of these things, these these Unknown Speaker episodes started coming out and people were getting very fired up coming to the defense of Hong Sure. To the point where they were holding a candlelight vigil outside NBC Studios with like Malone, or how long? Yeah, because they were like, you can't, you can't do that. Okay. Unknown Speaker And so things are coming up, it's looking kind of shady, there are some questions of hey, did, where did all these eggs come from? Because there were two sets of donations, that it was a lot. And now we know some of them came from inside the company. But we know they had to get some more from elsewhere. Sure, there was some potential links to black market sales of eggs coming into. Unknown Speaker Still not enough, the populace was still on his side. So much. So to the point, where eventually NBC pulled the show and said, We're not going to release the final episode. Unknown Speaker And so they pulled back, they said, it's fine. You went you guys like him? I guess. We're not going to continue the recording. Well, Unknown Speaker in the middle of night, in 2005, Unknown Speaker there was a post that hit a chat board of like an anonymous chat board that said the show must go on. And, okay, they took his data, and they released the data from his his original science article that had images of these stem cells. And they proved using these images, that all the images that they use, there was one stem cell in that image, and he had just distorted that image 11 times to make it look like he had cloned 11 But it was the same image. Unknown Speaker And they had a report from someone in the company who said Yeah, Quan himself asked me to do that because they did Unknown Speaker have the results he wanted. And so they made him Unknown Speaker fake the rest of them. Unknown Speaker One, they did one, they successfully did one. But they were shooting for 11. And so he made them fake the rest of them. Unknown Speaker And so Unknown Speaker this has this chat board. And NBC says, Okay, that's where the last episode was on the chat boards. They said, well, we'll put it out tonight. So they put that episode out tonight. And then the air shifted the media, the populace, everyone turned on Hwang, because they were like, You lied. Unknown Speaker And he got to trust a chat room. He came out and he tried to he tried to do that. He tried to say it wasn't true. And then that didn't work. A couple couple days later, he came out and he said, Okay, hey, give me six months. I'll show you I can still do it. I'll replicate the results. He said, what happened was there was a mold outbreak in our lab, and so we had 11, but most of them died. So I had to fake the results, but just the one that survived, and everyone's like, Oh, okay, sure. And he's like, Give me six months. Give me six months and we'll pull it that night. He was arrested for fraud. And he ended up getting convicted for two years. He got his license to practice, human stem cell research revoked. Just he was doing. He could do everything else was your family doctor now. A pharmacist. Well, Unknown Speaker his his articles in science got pulled the guy that he partnered with, like revoked his partnership with him. Unknown Speaker Here's his wild though. He goes to prison, he gets out of prison. And he starts a business. Unknown Speaker And this business is open to this day, called bubbly. Unknown Speaker turned my life around. I do pizza cross. What's the business called? I don't know what the business is called. Actually, I just realized like LifeTouch images. Unknown Speaker Oh, here it is. Unknown Speaker I Unknown Speaker don't know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So So wham, biotech. Unknown Speaker So here's what he's doing now. He is, and he's been doing this for years now. Like 10 years after prison. Unknown Speaker He opened this company where Unknown Speaker your pet dies, and you ship them off, and he clones your pet, and gives you your cloned pet back as an infant. And it's $100,000 Holy cow that you get your pet back as a holy cow and D as an infant. Unknown Speaker Crazy business model how it really was for them. I watched a video for 100 grand. Listen, listen, listen to him. Unknown Speaker Listen, for 100 grand, you give me the like the ashes of your golden retriever. Fine. Retriever puppy, you know, saying for 100 years, like what are you going to do? What are you going to do? You can't prove it? What are you going to do? I watched a video of vice video. Oh, like okay, from Malaysia whose dog passed away and they were doing it and so they did like the whole journey whatever. Unknown Speaker And long story short, what happened in that story is he's sent off his dogs to DNA to get his dog back. And when they did this, the first one they thought wasn't going to be viable. So they cloned it again. And then the second one came out and with like a genetic defect so it had different color hair, so they did it again. Unknown Speaker And what happened was the first one ended up being viable, and the other one just had the different hair color. So it didn't look like the original dog. But then they had the third and so then they were like well we've got all three of them all three It's no joke they shipped off Unknown Speaker which is better. So much worse. Unknown Speaker That's terrible. Wait, so it says if we clone my pet Yeah, one of my cats. Yeah. Like the gray splotches the duck has will be exactly where they are. Yeah, cuz it's a perfect genetic match. So it'll look exactly the same I don't know if I don't know the how you wear your theology hands duck has a little scar on his nose well scars now because there then so you know like it's not the same he's got a little scar was those were little dog attack that happened to you so I'm gonna get this cat and I'm gonna have to be like this is gonna hurt me. Or her. You that's an extra 50,000 attack. I got that. That's more traumatizing to me. What's worse, they'll do that. It's 50,000 More they'll add this 150 grand in Yeah, if you want the scars. I do want the scars. Yeah, so Yeah, they'll charge physical scars back in. scars, scars, where's your brain? Okay. Well, I'm just picturing because that that part of it. It's like an assembly line. It's a good down Unknown Speaker And there's there's so there's a fork of the assembly line. And so the cat will go down one follow up is just litter listener. He's talking about a split in the way not a dinner fork in the assembly line then causes the scars split and so down one section it's the ship that ship the cat ship it out but the other is like oh, he paid for the defects down a bit and there's a guy with a Polaroid camera he a or a polaroid photo. He takes it up on the wall. This is dark. He's got a cigar it's dark because he's got he's got a mullet and he's got he's got a bandana but like folded and wrapped around his head Derma Rambo right now are you describing Lambos looking, but he's like an artist. He's like an artist. He's got like a thick French accent I want out of those Unknown Speaker cuts. He's French stars in South Korea and he's French he takes his art okay, it's his muse Unknown Speaker and then he ships you the cat and then he ships the the Catalans? Yeah, a car person. All right. Signs the bottom of the foot. Unknown Speaker Well, I guess I should have paid the extra 50 grand because you do look a little different. Unknown Speaker But yeah, so he brought it your fingers aren't as big a fraud at his whole thing. But now he's making Unknown Speaker he He's probably still frauding that cloning animals. The Unknown Speaker people are pretty confident that they he was successful with the dog. Even though everything else wasn't quite successful. He was successful with the dog and I don't know why they're confident. I don't know if he's ever provided data. But he's doing this business now. All right. Do you want to call in your animal? Here's how Unknown Speaker to tell him to call slash clothes Unknown Speaker okay Unknown Speaker as they get now I gotta make that all right well fell off I got work to do. Unknown Speaker Things either last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by ours Garnett video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. 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Dr. Hwang Woo-suk is a South Korean scientist who gained notoriety in the early 2000s for his controversial claims about cloning human embryonic stem cells. However, his fame was short-lived, as evidence eventually emerged that he had fabricated his results. This blog post will explore Dr. Hwang’s rise to fame, his fall from grace, and the lessons that can be … Read More

John Birges – Mastermind of the Harvey Casino Bomb Heist

06-13-23
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Speaker 1 Hey man. Hey married man. I just got married by the time you hear this well not you. You're here. Pretty time you the listener. I will be holding Well, man. Unknown Speaker Yeah, hopefully we need an intro. Unknown Speaker Alright, let's record it. Cut this out right Speaker 1 yeah, here we go ready? All right hey single band looks like you're still she left me Unknown Speaker oh man, I really Speaker 2 love to listen back. Yeah. Connor a thumbs up or thumbs down before this goes live. It works. Unknown Speaker We're good. Oh wow. Well yeah, so that's the thing that's a good life. Speaker 3 That's fantastic. Well I'm talking about oh yeah, we're talking about the Harvey resort hotel in Lake Tahoe actually scaling stick like Nevada it's near Lake Speaker 1 Tahoe it's on the Nevada Lake. Towers. Yeah, Speaker 3 I understand that aside. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Speaker 1 That's a fun bit. We record these weeks in advance. That's a good time. Oh, is it a heist? Unknown Speaker Three men dressing? Speaker 1 By love a good heist. Because in the FBI, they can tax it do. taxes are so high dude. People are always like, Oh, I can just ransom a casino. Right. And I'll make out with three after the government takes the 70% of that. learned last night Speaker 3 okay, hold on. I need my time. I don't we're very prepared. So here's the deal. Speaker 1 My time so, Lake Tahoe, which is beautiful, by the way, Unknown Speaker not anymore. It's in the water is going away. Speaker 1 It's gone. Well, by the time this goes up. Connor yes or no. There's still a lake there. That's Phil, but just in case. Unknown Speaker God cool. Speaker 1 It was such a beautiful Lake Tahoe. God rested. Well, this is actually a good thing. The lake is gone. Because I guess her plan one was to drown me and leave me in there. Yeah. But within that being there, she decided to just leave. Yep. Yep. She ran off to Vegas. Speaker 3 The Wild Thing is I heard that the Pacific Ocean is draining back in and refilling it with saltwater. Yep. And Speaker 1 now it's California. Oh, through the woods, to Lake Tahoe we go. Unknown Speaker Pacific Ocean isn't magical thing. Speaker 1 Pretty wild how nature works. So Lake Tahoe, which may or may not exist. So there's for those who don't know where it is? Northern California. Yeah, is on the border of California and Nevada. Speaker 3 Yeah. And on the Nevada side, there's a town called state line, aptly named because it's on the state line. But it's a popular town. It's popular tourist destination because it's on the state line of Lake Tahoe, a popular tourist destination where in Nevada, it's legal to gamble. That's true. They put up a whole bunch of casinos. And people go Tahoe it up for a little bit. And then they're like, You know what makes the lake even better losing all your money. Speaker 1 That's what so it's interesting how Kansas is legal to do that. And Missouri isn't? Yeah, so when I place my bet on the Super Bowl, yeah. Am I allowed to talk about this? I don't know. Speaker 3 I think you are I don't see why. Okay, I'm not there's there's a reason there was a legitimate reason. Yeah, Speaker 1 I'm not a gambler. far enough away that I think it's fine for me to say yeah, I had a brand deal that if the Chiefs had lost, you got the deal. I was going to get to like, you know, they're gonna pay me some money to post on Instagram and be like, Oh, they lost but Good thing I have this brand to make me happy or whatever. But then I realized, well, I'm going to make this amount of money if I win if I if they lose, but no money if they win, but you obviously wanted them to win. Yeah, I was so conflicted. I don't want to go to the Super Bowl party, and be like, all decked out in my chiefs gear and be like, Let's go fly eagle fly or whatever. And so I so I, I wanted to place a bet on the chiefs to win that way. Either way. I want to make that amount of money that way. You want to be conflicted. So I had to take an Uber. Did I tell you this part? Yeah. Where I took an Uber just to the Kansas side to a parking lot in Kansas to place my bet. And then and took it home as a sound the back of the room. I was like, just pull over here. This is fine. It was super sketchy. Unknown Speaker Do you think he'd that I did a lot? Speaker 1 Oh yeah. Next when I was little driver, I would do that it would be gambling people would take where I would drive people to Kansas had to place bets. Or I would drive people from the Kansas side to the Missouri side to buy cigarettes or alcohol. Because Kansas doesn't sell alcohol on Sundays. Yep. So Sunday, I would drive people over to the Missouri side, there's a very specific gas station down on 435 and 103 130. I mean, that people go to to buy all their cigarettes and, and drinks. Unknown Speaker Like Kansas discount. Speaker 1 But it really it was such a big deal that there would be like other Uber drivers. We were resolved the Speaker 3 parking lot like people bought their cigarettes. No. Interesting. Yeah. Speaker 1 Anyway, it's a thing. It's a thing. People go to stay line. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I totally get Yeah, yeah, they go there. Speaker 3 And I mean, at the end of the day, like this was a popular tourist destination to begin with. And someone somewhere along the line was like, Oh, why not make more money off of this tourist destination, which was the owner of the Harvey resort and hotel. He was their hotel was the first hotel or their casino was the first casino to capitalize off this. The name or the owner's name was Harvey gross, which is a great name for Casino. Speaker 1 Yeah. But even better, not even his real name. He changed it to that. Well, even Speaker 3 better, because his original occupation was he was a butcher. BUTCHER Harvey gross. Speaker 1 BUTCHER Harvey gross, and he hit your comma. Harvey gross, but Unknown Speaker butcher comma gross comma Harvey. Unknown Speaker Harvey butcher gross. Unknown Speaker Harvey bushing. He's a budget Speaker 1 Listen, the problem with the bleeping bit is it makes it seem like you did say something really bad. And then we rarely clarify. And when I listened back, I don't remember what you Unknown Speaker said. It's like, wow, what did he say? Speaker 1 So he was a butcher. He was got into the hotel game. That's a big leap. Now here's what I'm sorry, casino game. Here's what was Speaker 3 going on. So Stateline at the time, this was like the 50s or 60s was not a gambling town. It was a normal town on the edge of Lake Tahoe. Lake Tahoe got really popular with the tourists. Yeah. And he had a butcher shop in town. Unknown Speaker The Chevy named their SUV accurate. Unknown Speaker It was like I wonder what this truck is named? Unknown Speaker new Chevy Tahoe. Speaker 3 And everyone's like, well, I don't know. Can I fly? Speaker 1 The Chevy Tahoe may or may not exist by the time this comes out? Speaker 3 Well, a lot of people don't realize that's why Malibu is so popular. Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Know his wife was looking for this town called Sanada. Speaker 3 I've been I've been looking for f150. I know, his wife was like, Hey, we got all these tourists in town. You've got your butcher shop. And that's cool. Whatever. You know, it's cool to sell meat. Sure. Oh, his wife had the idea. Yeah, but his wife was gross. Yeah, Miss gross said. Hey, Mrs. Mrs. Sorry. I will correct Madame gross. Let's, let's madam it. What's the point of that? Is that Mrs. Singleton Speaker 1 isn't married, ma'am. Is a contraction to get rid of madam right? Unknown Speaker I think so. Is madam is madam. I like Speaker 1 that we always look to Alex to be like your show starters. Speaker 3 And he normally doesn't say a word. He just looks away. Normally like Don't look at me. Speaker 1 So, okay, well, we'll look at the origin of May. I'm in mme later, I guess. Speaker 3 I guess. We have no way of looking. So she says, Hey, we could hear me out. Buy a couple slot machines for people while they're waiting for their meats. Okay, and then maybe in the backroom, put in a poker table and have it be Harvey's wagon wheel butcher and Casino. And Speaker 1 he's like, okay, so you're saying we got to spend money on slot machines to spend money on a poker table, and also a lot of money on a huge sign that huge. Wagon Wheel, butcher and casino faith. Do you know how many hours it took 100 hours for every letter? That's so many letters. And that's it does that's longer than the original Twitter character limit? Can you please just trim it down a little bit? Speaker 3 So they did this And lo and behold, the casino made way more money than the meet that yeah, for sure. And so then they just tore down the shop and build Speaker 1 stations have also taken this model where that Yeah, every gas station I saw in Montana has a casino and Speaker 3 yeah, there's one actually right by my house that has a couple of slot machines in it because it's right next to the hill. Yeah, Speaker 1 obviously the lake Oh, cuz it's like body of water laws. That's so weird. The Missouri's like that. Yeah. Yeah, I know they made a big deal of that in the show Ozark but it's what a stupid law. Yeah, if you're right off in my feet. Right. And my question is, does it have to be like it's not natural water? Right? Like you can just make a lake? Can you do like a parking lot water feature? You know? Does my does my inflatable hot tub count? Does it have how much is a body of water? Unknown Speaker That's an interesting question that I don't have the answer to. Speaker 1 When you come to my apartment, I got a slot machine. But yeah, they gotta come. Running a new marathon out of my apartment is just run back and forth in my living room. You didn't even reply to that thread just for this. That was really funny. I love 1000 laughs We had a conversation but be warned. No one's ever finished. Speaker 3 Yeah, we had a one of our patrons just completed a marathon. Unknown Speaker Marathon. It was a half marathon. Unknown Speaker It was a half marathon, but I was gonna give them full marathon. Speaker 1 Quick giving people credit for that. You know, Sam, thank you. Seriously on credit, people, for whatever reason, marathons is a huge accomplishment. And then somewhere along the way, someone was like, what if I did half the sticker on your car. And now all of a sudden we're just like, that's actually that's the achievement. Half Marathon. Speaker 3 Yeah, Spider Man's ran half a marathon. And I loved it because Speaker 1 I ran half a successful business once. The other half caught up to me eventually, and I didn't lost everything. But like, half it was running. Well. Speaker 3 Well, che immediately responded. He posted it and che one of our patrons immediately responded and said, Can I do a full marathon quitter behavior. Speaker 1 That's it right there. The real Alpha move is at the end of the half marathon. Turn around run it again. Speaker 3 Yeah, and they just gone. I'm, I'm doing this just for personal like, yeah, it's not working out and you're Speaker 1 looking at every single person you pass on because they're still going the other way. Yeah, no, yeah, I'm Unknown Speaker better than you. Yeah, I'm Speaker 1 doing too. Even if you were dead last. Finishing the half marathon. It's been four days. It took you a long time to go 13.1 miles. Speaker 3 Oh my gosh. Yeah. But I loved I loved the fact that he asked or he said he was listening back to figure out how many laps he did in your in your living room. And we had a website for that. How many laps and journeys living room.com Speaker 1 I forget how many domains we've got. Yeah. Which if you want to know how many laps Speaker 3 in his living room.com or something is we have a website called Gerrans living room.com There you go. I'll tell you how long anyways, Speaker 1 have we set up like a marketing funnel on any of those sites? And we'll use that shortly there. Can they give can they put their email on there? Speaker 3 I don't think they can put their email on there. It does. There is a redirect to back to the podcast in there. But let's be honest, no. Unknown Speaker I'm saying no one's stumbling on it. Speaker 3 I mean, I don't know some people. We are getting a lot of money out of that. Speaker 1 I know that I want to know which good business I was running my fell. That falls into the bad business half for sure. Unknown Speaker That's yeah, that's definitely just a waste. But it's funny. So anyways, Speaker 1 that's my bio good jobs. It's a waste but it's funny. Speaker 3 Talking about this all right. So so this casino got really successful. Sure they established 190 room hotel, gee, Mike, Unknown Speaker jump to go from a butcher shop to a casino. Speaker 3 Well, it was it was gradually he didn't just like Speaker 1 build one hotel room at a time where I'm saying like, no, no, I'm saying to pivot from a person who runs a casino or runs a butcher to be a person who runs for casino is a huge jump. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's a different that's a very difficult period to get Unknown Speaker into a gradually Speaker 3 Yeah, there was some growing pains there. But yeah, Harvey got super rich running this business for sure. Unknown Speaker So did Madonna. Well, they Speaker 3 got a divorce. Oh, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. That was a I don't know she got a really important Unknown Speaker one. He got his 13.1 Speaker 3 and because he became hugely successful, that's the point of the story. Right one of the biggest ones in the city. There's a few other casinos and towns are Speaker 1 called wagon wheel. Is it still called Harvey's wagon wheel butchering Casino. Unknown Speaker No, it's Is Harvey's resort? Unknown Speaker They got good meat though. Speaker 3 Yeah, well, I don't know what they sell me anymore. But anyways, on the morning of August 26 1980 Unknown Speaker Oh, is it a heist? Unknown Speaker Three men dressed in Speaker 1 ties? Oh, I love a good heist. Three men dressed in pig costumes came in when they said, butcher butcher, where are you? Speaker 3 You know what I found out the other day that I didn't know was that. And then we found this out of the draft because everybody at the draft like they had the section down in the draft where you could go. Speaker 1 So curious what the image of three men dressed as giant pigs conjured in his brain to go speaking of. Speaker 3 So they had all the people dressed in like, I think what every team did at the draft was they were like, Hey, you're weird fan who comes to every game? We're gonna fly you out to be in the front row. Great draft. And so everybody had all their weird fans in the front row by the Chiefs weird fan. Superman. Speaker 1 No. There's a couple of guy with a wolf costume. I forget what they call it. Unknown Speaker The mascot, Casey. Oh, Speaker 1 no, the guy who's got like a really bad wolf costume. You don't know about this? Speaker 3 I don't know. remember there being a weird chiefs fan there actually was a weird like they were decked out but I don't remember we I Speaker 1 forget his name. But he was like big on Twitter or whatever. He robbed a bank in his like cars used? Because it's all Yeah, he was the way he was affording to go to all these chiefs games was that he was robbing banks. Not even like, like, you know, oh, I got into their system. Just like straight up. Like get rid of money. You know? Go buy tickets. Go buy tickets. Go look up to the catch. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, cuz he just quit tweeting one day. Yeah. And he quit going to games and people were like, What the heck happened? And then they were like, Oh, guys. Yeah, he's in prison. Jail. Speaker 3 Yeah. That's hilarious. No, yeah. So everybody was wearing their costumes. Well, not getting three men dresses. Pigs, walked in and went all the way to the front. Can you pick a team pick a team in the NFL that you think might wear pigs costumes? Speaker 1 Hold on. Let me get there. I could not. I was like, why you can't do it. Hold on. Well, I saw it. So Speaker 3 I know. Because they were wearing the jerseys too. But I was like, What is the connection? I don't understand the connection. Oh, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense at all. Speaker 1 Okay, hold on. Let me guess. I'm going through all the teams in my head. The Jets Speaker 3 you know, like kinda looks like a jet pigs. As the commanders there under, I looked at their official mascot now as a pig, author, the commander's but their mascot is a pig. I don't understand. I don't know where that came from. It's, it's pretty strange. Unknown Speaker Okay, Speaker 3 the only thing I could come up with was maybe pig skin. Because that's what some people call the footballs. And that's the only connection I could think of. Unknown Speaker But yeah, very weird decisions for that whole. Speaker 3 That whole organization is a mess. But anyways, so yeah, three Washington commanders fans walk into the walk. It's a three men walk into the casino wearing blue coveralls. And they're pushing a large object with a lightly overalls Unknown Speaker or cover like the like, okay. Speaker 3 And they're pushing this large object that's on wheels that's got like a blanket over it. And an IBM logo. Sure. And so they push their stuff. Yeah. And everyone's just like, oh, it's probably a printer or like, some Speaker 1 single sheet of paper with computer stuff written in Sharpie. Official stuff is what it says, Don't mind us. Unknown Speaker Nobody does or just bring it in some official stuff. Speaker 1 I mean, it's got so many pieces of paper. This is official stuff, computer things. If you really want to be specific about it. Please don't ask us what we're doing. We're from Speaker 3 a Thursday, June 29. At 630 we are doing a another patron hangout. These are super fun opportunities for us to just hang out on a zoom call with our patrons get to know you a little bit better find out what's going on in your life. And it's and have a lot of fun. Sometimes you might have seen some of these clips. They are absolutely wild. You guys do some crazy stuff in these videos like pull ups or eat pizza. It's bonkers. And we'd love to have you on there. Thursday, June 29 630 tekstil into 66866 to become a patron and join us Unknown Speaker so they're walking in, Speaker 3 they roll this thing into the lobby and they take off the like the curtain or the cloth Whatever. And then they just leave. And they get in their van and they drive away. What everybody there thought was like some kind of computer that the hotel ordered their local computer. I mean, it was this big metallic computery looking thing. I got a picture of it. Oh. So everyone was like Unknown Speaker I would immediately I'd see this and I go look at all those air holes. Unknown Speaker This is a real Trojan horse. That's, uh, Speaker 1 I mean, is that the Statue of Liberty that a horse looking thing I've ever seen in my life. Speaker 3 Yeah, so they just put it in the hotel and then one of the security guards after like, a half an hour, I was like, hey, it's gonna be like, looked at that thing to see what it is. And everyone's like, No. And so he goes over and sitting on the top of it is a note. And the note says, this is a bomb. And it says if you don't give me $3 million, it will detonate and this is the most sophisticated bomb you've ever seen. You will not be able to. Speaker 1 If you don't give me $3 million it'll detonate This is the most sophisticated bomb. I have all the bombs. It sounds like a like a Trump's speeches everything. It does actually the most sophisticated bomb Speaker 3 like brags about how sophisticated this bomb is. It's a three page document detailing. Okay, that's all I'm saying. It's sophisticated a bomb. Speaker 1 It's a bomb. A sophisticated Bob are really complicated. Bob, you don't understand. I promise. It's a bob. Like Unknown Speaker it's three pages. But it's 40 size font. Speaker 1 Yeah, it's one letter per page. You figure out which order it goes. You know the three pages just say it's a bomb. It's a bomb. Speaker 3 What is bomb a it's mean. I don't understand bomb. It's a bomb. It's a I don't understand why. There's no words on top of it. Yeah, it has instructions for the ransom. It's $3 million ransom. Okay. And basically says, Okay, go to this specific parking lot. Pick up the payphone. Go to this Speaker 1 machine. You hit the button four times. Yeah, put 20 down there know what is happening the person on behalf for the get go. And but I'm gonna try to win $3 million. Speaker 2 Don't put like $200 on read on Unknown Speaker $3 million. And if you don't, and if you don't, Unknown Speaker it blows up. You better be very sophisticated. Speaker 3 be lucky and so sophisticated. So he he he outlines this whole this whole or the no outlines of evacuate the building? Yeah, obviously. So they immediately evacuate the hotel. Who doesn't Speaker 1 like that? Gamblers? They are aggressive. Unknown Speaker That's pretty fair. Speaker 1 I told you about the private detective that was at a church show once I was talking with. And he said AB he's in Oklahoma. Yeah. I mean, I was trying to be like, Oh my gosh, you're like a pie, huh? Yeah. See, like, follow people around and do like, you know, you stake out and do all this stuff. As I tell what's like, what's the craziest thing you've seen? He said, Honestly, man. 90% of my job is wives asked me to tell their husbands. And then I watched them gamble at casinos all day. And he goes, and they are so addicted to gambling, that they're so afraid they're going to miss the jackpot that they pee in the seats. That's disgusting. So think about that when you're in Vegas. Next. Yeah, that's pretty nasty. Yeah, just bring wet wipes with you. That's Speaker 3 why all the seats are leather. Yeah, yeah. wipe them down before you not even just for COVID for me. Yeah. Well, they need to have like a gym mentality, like have wipes everywhere. So you can wipe them down after you use Speaker 1 them permission. You know, that feels like it would enable the problem more than it would Oh, yeah. People will just delete those wipes their honey. Speaker 3 Yeah, that's. Anyways, so they evacuate the building. And the FBI shows up. And the FBI is like, Okay, let's go ahead and and get them the ransom because they they look at the bomb, and they're like this bomb is pretty sophisticated. Unknown Speaker It's like a subway freezer. Unknown Speaker It's a really bad ice. Yeah. Speaker 1 For anybody who's listening. It's literally to silver blocks on top of each other. There's nothing about this that looks sophisticated to me. Well, Speaker 3 the FBI looks at it and determines this is very sophisticated. Sure. And so they said, Speaker 1 Well, it's because the 50s the FBI was like, what two years old? That point? Speaker 3 Well, this is the 80s now Oh, okay. So this is the prime of the FBI honestly, the FBI house this is when they were FBI and yeah, this was yeah, this was when the FBI was cool. And so they like Okay, let's get this ransom put together because this is pretty sophisticated. He told us we want them to disarm it for us and get us the money. But the process was gonna be a little intense like they had to go to that place make the phone call, and they were gonna get some coordinates that they were supposed to fly a helicopter to full gas and drop the helicopter full of the $3 million off At that locations drop off. Yeah. And then they were supposed to leave. And then this guy knows how to fly a helicopter, Unknown Speaker allegedly. Okay. Speaker 3 And so they're going through the process, they load, they go get 1000 bucks and a bunch of Speaker 1 wooden you just drop the helicopter off one betting this guy's gonna crash it like we can we can sacrifice helicopter. But if he can if he can fly, yeah, shoot it down. Speaker 3 I mean a helicopter is probably worth more than $3 million. Right? True. I mean, depending on the helicopter in the 80s, though. Yeah, I don't know how much our helicopter I Speaker 1 don't know how much or like FB has inflation really hit the helicopter market? Speaker 3 I mean, the 70s was super inflation. So by the 80s like it was probably pretty decently inflated as a blow up helicopter. Speaker 1 Sure. So where did they end up doing that? Speaker 3 So what they did is they actually went to Harvey and they're like, do you want to pay the ransom? And he was like, No, I'm not gonna pay that. He's like, Speaker 1 how would I pay the ransom? We know you run the casino. You are exactly. He's like, my wife runs a casino. I don't. I just I just got in there meet. You know, Speaker 3 and so and then the FBI was like, well, we're gonna pay this ransom. But we're not gonna pay this ransom. You know, so they just get $1,000 cash. And then they fail. Speaker 1 Why they give them the option? Just wanna pay it up? Like, he'd be like, oh, yeah, sure. Whatever. Cool. Case closed another day at the FBI. Why did it why was that an option? Speaker 3 Because then the FBI, they could then tax it? I don't know. I don't know. Sure. Look it up for the duty. Speaker 1 taxes are so high, dude. People are always like, Oh, I can just ransom a casino. Right? I'll make out with three. After the government takes the 70% of that. We don't say and like, then you're left with what like $900,000. And so that's just quick math. So like, what are you going to do with it? And then I mean, on top of that you're not in a financial investor. You know how to make sophisticated bombs. You don't know how to make good investments. This year to blow through 900,000 so fast. Speaker 3 Yeah, this is sophisticated bomb not a series for next year. Yeah. Unknown Speaker Any like every survivor winner Speaker 3 should we film that bit just in case actually right here? In case Yeah, we can we can leave this in or cut it. Just in case we get it. Go survive. I forgot. I forgot that we applied. Jared are in a brand new TV show. Speaker 3 Yeah, we're flying out in a month. We're gonna spend a month on a desert island. Speaker 1 I think that's what it is. We Geez. Yeah, you'll know Unknown Speaker for this I don't know if we're gonna get it. Oh, well, I Speaker 1 mean, like, now we know we got Yeah, now we know. We know. We got it. Well, we can cut this out. That we did that. I forgot that. They emailed me. And they said we got it. Oh yeah, maybe. That would be insane. And by the time this comes out, we've been cast. We do need to apply to more like Speaker 3 dumb reality TV shows low reality. Speaker 1 Wonderful. Amazing. Watched? Well, TV shows. Yeah, probably we need to do like amazing race. Yeah, yeah. Because I just love the idea that they're just like these two podcasters Unknown Speaker I love the idea that they put struggling podcast. Speaker 2 We're like no, just say podcasters. But in quotation marks. Speaker 1 Like I love the celebrities do amazing raise when their careers dying. And we're doing it to try to guess is dying dice are like yeah, this thing's over. If you don't want tell him to die. By the way, I don't know cameras on my camera. If you don't want to own the dice person on Patreon. That's the only way these episodes come out. And so we're just really grateful for the people who support us. And if you don't support us, one day, you might have to take the drive you're on right now. Without us in your ears. Get imagine could you imagine what that life would be like? Anyway, wretched. I would pay $3 million to never live that life. So Speaker 3 the FBI, they get a bunch of crinkled up newspaper and they fill a bunch of bags of the screen clips newspaper, they take $1,000 cash and they just lay it over the top real carefully so you can't see the crinkled up newspaper underneath it. So it kind of feels Yeah, movie proud. Yeah, it feels it feels like a bag of cash. But like if you like go past the first layer, you're like, This is the news. Speaker 1 And it's all about me. Which is like kind of an ego boost. You know? Honestly, this is better than the money. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys. I just wanted to be a front page of of Lake Tahoe News. both sides. Sa Rata and Speaker 3 GM Ford Yeah, even that little community underwater Unknown Speaker Okay, the TA heeds Speaker 3 you haven't heard of that that all right. So they do that they get in the beginning the helicopter, they fly out to the location to do the job. Sure they get there and there's nobody there. The obviously the plan was the brand summer was going to be on the ground with a strobe light just holding it up at the sky. So they'd be like, Oh, there he is his land and give him his money now and there was no strobe light they circled around for a couple hours, couldn't find them came back and they're like, well, he's not there and so they asked the governor of Nevada to go on the news and put out a statement be like hey, we got your $3 million dollars if you want it. I call us back and we'll find you if you want Speaker 1 3,000,100 government gov Unknown Speaker and helicopters still in play at this point? Speaker 3 It's well that helicopter still like exists. I don't know if I would say in play it didn't have to land is it what do you say? Unknown Speaker If you call in to get the money, you Speaker 3 know, this isn't a Pepsi jet scenario. This is a helicopter This is a Hara Hara cop, Harrah's, Harrah's helicopter. I'm trying to make a connection that I got you there. It wasn't here as across the street actually, though. So cool. Anyways, so the governor makes a statement tries to get the people to be like, Hey, this is where we are. Come bring us our money. And then making that statement, the rest of like, Nevada and California and a lot of other states in the area, were like, Hey, hold on, what are you talking about? Like what's going on over there? So this starts to make national news. Yeah, it's that there's a bomb in this hotel that is barricaded in this hotel and the FBI is looking for the guy trying to give them the ransom. And so people travel from all over the country Speaker 1 their own bombs. Gonna give out the only barber and we're all barbers too. So Oh, because the spatula people are traveling in so Speaker 3 this becomes a thing everybody at the casino strip in state line is packed. Everyone's here to see the Speaker 1 business. Honestly, I've been thinking about this. I've been thinking about faking a bombing to drum up some business for what we're doing you know to great marketing tactic. Speaker 3 Well, they can see those they start placing bets on when the bombs gonna go whenever Speaker 1 I own a barbecue business and this was the bad side of the business was I called it a bomb threat to my competitors and that's just out of town Italian restaurant and that was This was the other rest I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't do anything that grenade was already there when I bought the building all right. It was somebody else's grenade and it was a very sophisticated grenade Speaker 3 you've ever seen know all the other casinos in the area they started holding like having bets for when the bomb was gonna go home care home Unknown Speaker and I was like Hey, make bets Oh yeah, Speaker 3 of course. Yeah, they're like winds up I'm gonna go off place your bets now and a couple of the casinos started printing T shirts here's another one Wait, did it blow up over the building behind them? I survived the bomb Unknown Speaker you accidentally went you actually went ahead of the story with that Speaker 3 is my personal favorite t shirt. I got bombed at heart Unknown Speaker Well walk the building is Speaker 3 shut your eyes I didn't look at these printscreen I realized was blown up in my little mini screen like computer screens a two inch screen I gotta tell make it big I realized Speaker 1 we go back in time and we stopped the bombing let's let's cut a version in case that happens. Yeah, it was great because great because those T shirts the t shirt stopped the bomb. They used to teach more. Bob is not the bomb can these tips. So mad that he spoiled his own story. He's spoiled his own story. He was so mad. All right, go ahead Speaker 3 anyways, yeah, so people were selling these T shirts. Yeah. And people I love our whole family there. I know. It's it's super suburban family too Speaker 1 big. They came from the burbs for this? Yeah, Speaker 3 these this is an Ohio family. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Like came Speaker 1 to Utah family. Look at him. Look at the dad's haircut. You He's Speaker 3 like a fan. Yeah. So anyways, so this became a spectacle, people are traveling from all over the place to be a part of grappling here. Meanwhile, the police and the FBI they can't figure out they have no leads on who the bomber is, or how to get them their fake ransom. So they say, well, we need to try to figure out how to disarm the sophisticated bomb. And so they spend 33 hours with it trying to figure it out. And Speaker 1 so tell me about your childhood 33 hours in an interrogation room with a bomb they couldn't they couldn't Speaker 3 drag it no well the bomb the bomb was pretty the bomb really was sophisticated had motion sensors on it. So if it moved at all, it would erupt there was I think was erupt. Machine Unknown Speaker releases the baking soda. Speaker 1 In one of the papers just says b plus b plus grade school he's like I give us this again. He's that's his his grade school teachers married today. Okay, I've been in a madam gross. I see you've moved on to bigger things. Speaker 3 And there was a series of switches all over it. That's actually what you thought were airholes those are switches. Oh, and so you have to like turn all the switches in the right order to disarm it really was a very sophisticated bomb that to this day, the FBI studies because of how sophisticated it was. Okay. And one Junior FBI agent had the solution that they were like this is probably the only thing that's gonna work Unknown Speaker blow it up. He said we take a claymore he's like what if we took one of our own Speaker 3 literally it was like he's like if we take a little bomb near the head of the bomb, put it near the big bomb and we just point it to the explosion goes right to the right part of the bomb. Then maybe it'll just blow up that part of the bomb and not the whole bomb. And they're like that's a pretty good idea there Johnny. And so they they literally drew straws, and had one person who drew the short straw go set the bomb on top of the bomb it was like I guess I'm gonna go put a bomb on the bomb. This pot is so sophisticated our parliamentary our bombs Speaker 1 blame the stupid bomb sophistic on top of this magnificent beautiful huge Unknown Speaker so they put it out they put it on the bomb one guy fell Unknown Speaker in love with it was so sophisticated. Oh, I get big advice on nice bombers. Yeah, Speaker 3 the guy went back to put a bomb to put their bomb there and they found another letter on a love letter to the bomb. Yeah, the most sophisticated bomb in the West got Unknown Speaker my heart erupting. Speaker 3 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Speaking of future episodes, we have a ton of past episodes. We have a back catalogue of well over 100 episodes. So check those out. My current favorite is Nelly Bly. She was a journalist from the early 1900s, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy. Some of the things that she did. We had a lot of fun in that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe but ultimately just thanks for being here Unknown Speaker so they put a tiny bar where they put Unknown Speaker a tiny Bob on top of the sophisticated Unknown Speaker in the in the Unknown Speaker lobby of the casino. Speaker 1 Okay, I'm sure I'm triggered because the carpets orange. Speaker 3 This is not in the casino. This is a recreation in a museum. Okay, got it. Yeah, got it. So they they set the bomb and then remotely detonated. And it didn't work. It blew up the whole thing. blew a giant hole in the side of holy Unknown Speaker cow on the Speaker 3 side of the hotel. And it was it was the most significant bomb ever detonated in the US until the Oklahoma City bombing. In terms of size, and you know, Speaker 1 it's the FBI having pictures of this moment, which is what makes people go that's convenient. Speaker 3 Well, I mean, this has been going on for like two or three days. They've got like 24/7 cameras because everyone's got the beds going to everyone's out here watching. There's actually a video of this detonating and everybody cheering because then they won the bet. I mean, they came to watch this hotel, blah blah. So that's why they're here. Okay, no one was in there. No one was injured. A bunch of windows got blown out of the hotel across the street. Speaker 1 Yeah, who pays for it? Does the FBI paid for This I think they would Unknown Speaker love maybe the insurance company Speaker 1 of a Marvel movie where it's like the heroes destroyed a lot of stuff. Yeah, who pays for it? Unknown Speaker I mean you should have insurance ideally insurance covers this right Unknown Speaker do you think State Farm showing up and taking care of this? Speaker 3 Yeah I mean State Farm does not have a sophisticated bomb clause so I feel like they would they have an unsophisticated was Unknown Speaker stupid little stupid bombs that you're good but yeah, so what you're saying is the FBI was like there's a bomb. They were like the only thing that will fix it is another bomb has struck the two bombs. Unknown Speaker The only thing stopping a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy. Unknown Speaker Golly, it's so good. I hate it. Speaker 3 So this blue a nine story hole on the side of the hotel. Yeah, I Speaker 1 can see it goes all the way up. Yeah. And Zeus is such an insanely stupid solution. That's what I'm just so beside myself on because this is so dumb that they would be like, let's do that. Yeah. So Speaker 2 did the guy that suggested this get fired or promoted, he got promoted. Speaker 3 Two days later, they reopened, not fixed. They just quartered off these sections of the Unknown Speaker breezeway. Feel the outdoors. Speaker 3 I mean, it's the 80s. Let's be honest, like, of course, they reopened two days later. And then the FBI was like, sweet, we don't have to give the money away anymore. But they also had no leads. And so the FBI interviews 500 people Oh, Speaker 1 sweet, we don't lose our $1,000 and crumpled up newspaper Speaker 3 those newspaper. So they interview 500 People that have no leads absolutely no idea how to lead this. Yeah, I couldn't you want to? Absolutely no idea who did this, right. So they interviewed 500 different people. And eventually they hit a break when someone imagine Speaker 1 working with a casino finding out that it blew up. Yeah. And then your boss calls you and say hey, you coming in tomorrow? Unknown Speaker The casino blew up. Speaker 1 Oh, talking about Yeah, your shift starts at nine. We expect you to be there. Okay, if the chipotle by my house blew up. I would still go. I be like, Guys, I mean, come on. The clock was not great today. Unknown Speaker Yeah, you can make better veggies on that. Unknown Speaker Get it together. Speaker 3 So they interview all these people. They find a motel owner who says you know what? I did see a white van stay the night the night before the bomb arrived through sketchy and so they they checked the security camera footage, they found the license plate number they ran the license plate number and it came back for a John Burgess Jr. Okay. So they went and they found this John versus Jr. It was a guy who lived in Fresno, California. He lived with like five roommates. And they he did not fit the description of a person who would do something like this. Yeah, they interviewed him they couldn't find out he was Speaker 1 wearing and I survived the bomb shirt. And they were like, we might have our guy he Speaker 3 might have he was like, he's like, I'm gonna buy a shirt. Like I didn't get my money, but I'm gonna get a shirt, of course. So they interviewed him they couldn't make Speaker 1 shirts, they that's and that's protecting your investment. You know, I'm saying like if you know, if you don't get the $3 million, Unknown Speaker at least I made Speaker 1 some money on the shirts, souvenir shirts, you know. So I crossed the state line, put in my shirt order order Speaker 3 because they don't sell shirts in Nevada and they don't you gotta go to California for that. So they couldn't connect him to it though. They didn't have any solid proof that he was connected. They just knew he had a fan there the night before the bomb showed up. Okay. But he said he wasn't there. He's claiming he wasn't. He wasn't a part of that. And so they're doing some more digging and eventually, they find this man's ex girlfriend Unknown Speaker who's gonna watch out for this is now Speaker 3 like three or four years later, they find this Oh, wow. This man's ex girlfriend. Who's dating another guy. They've got to They've got a worn out. They've got a reward. Is Unknown Speaker it relevant that she's dating another guy? Or is that just like she's dating another guy. Speaker 3 No. Yeah, so she's dating this other guy, and they've got a reward out for anyone who's in the back to this other guy. Guys. Like, hey, my girlfriend told me about this bombing that her ex did it her ex's dad did. And so see what you're gonna say? Write it down. Unknown Speaker My exes dad has done. We should frame him for something. He can afford legal fees. Does he listen? No. Yeah. But do you get listed in prison? That's kind of nice. Speaker 3 So no. So his dad a little bit of story about John versus Burgess, senior senior John Burgess, senior, he wrote a memoir. And it is memoir. No, it's a Unknown Speaker bomber. It's called a manifesto. It's not a memoir. Speaker 3 So we don't know if this is true. But according to memoir, he was born in 1922 in Hungary, and he flew for Nazi Germany in the war, as apologies. After the war, he was arrested by Soviet Union, the Soviet Soviet Union, you know, the one and he spent eight years in a camp in Soviet Union. They released him, she's and he got away for a couple years and then they got him back and put them back in prison for a few more years. Finally, in 57, he escapes and moves to Fresno, California, where he worked a couple jobs and then him and his wife, they opened a restaurant. And then he opens a landscaping company and strikes a big as the biggest landscaper in Fresno, California. And they become millionaires. He owns a private jet, you know, sports cars, they hail a mansion. Like they're living. They're living the American dream and the late 60s, early 70s. Wow, okay, California. Well, when their children, they got two sons get to high school, him and his wife start having marital issues. They start having a lot of disagreements or even say eventually divorce. And she starts dating somebody else. Well, she moves pikiell literally to a trailer on in the backyard of his mansion. This is a strange arrangement. Okay. And then, like a nice true. I don't know, the nothing said it just said a trailer. So trailer. Okay. Trailer. And then allegedly, we say allegedly because it's very alleged. Yeah, he's Morris has all this. Yeah, that well, allegedly, she took her own knife it two years after the divorce in this trailer. Speaker 1 Oh, it sure pretty likely that he killed her that he killed her. Speaker 3 But that's the but that's what he wanted more. Well, he didn't write that in the memo. That's like public. That that was what it was ruled as. But it does. It seems she write about her death in the memoir, not in the market. And so he He then goes on to continue running the businesses, but he's very clearly kind of fractured. Sure. And so he starts making some questionable business decisions in the restaurant, which was ran by his ex wife. And so the restaurant gets into some some financial trouble. Okay. And then peculiarly, in the late 70s, like 78, the restaurant burns down and gets a $325,000 insurance settlement. Around the same time, three or four years before then. Burgess SENIOR Yeah, he develops a gambling habit. And his location of choice is the Harvey Casino. And Speaker 1 how far away is that from where from Fresno? A couple hours. Speaker 3 It's not, it's close. So he drive over, he would drive over, he would stay there. And he built the reputation as a high roller at the casino, he would show up and they would roll out the red carpet for him. He was sweet. He's Unknown Speaker a very sophisticated man. Speaker 3 He's so sophisticated. And he was he was such a presence at this hotel. And he was he was a wealthy person to begin with. But he he spent so much that the hotel really brought up rolled out the red carpet get free free meals free locations. He developed a relationship with Harvey gross, the owner. Yeah. And they became pretty good friends. His issues are getting bigger and bigger. It right seems pretty clear that he spent that entire insurance settlement at the casino. And he starts to build up some debts that he can't pay. Even with the amount of money that he has the fortune that he has built up over his life. And one day he approaches his sons and he says, Hey, Unknown Speaker I'm gonna borrow money because Speaker 3 I'm out of money, and I owe the casino. A lot of money. And so we're gonna get our money Speaker 1 from the casino So I can pay the casino back. So he's like, I need to get $3 million, 2 million in the hole. Yeah. And then a million to gamble. Speaker 3 Yeah, a little bit of interest. Sure. And so he says, here's what I need you guys to do. He's like, You got that white van that I bought you a little while ago. He's like, Yeah, that that was a weird gift. Speaker 1 That's Red flag number one if your dad buys you a white van. Hey, kids. Hey, I got you. So did you give me a gift? I know it's not your dream car. But it's got wheels a car, it's got enough room for crime and for what crying for crying inside for Unknown Speaker cry. So he says I want to drop his bomb off what? Speaker 3 So he says he says I a couple nights ago went over to this construction site. And it was really easy to just sneak in. And I stole a whole bunch of dynamite. Like just a ton of dynamite. Like so much dynamite. And then like, Dad, that's, that's like a lot of Speaker 1 title. That's so sketchy. A ton of dynamite. That so? And he's like, Dude, I gotta believe this was gonna. Yeah, believe it. Speaker 3 And so he says, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run the casino. Here's the plot. And his sons are like, Dad, no, we're not gonna be a part of that. And he's Speaker 1 like, Well, now you know too much. So why don't you Speaker 3 guys come to the casino with me on August 28. Let's just Speaker 1 go just go there, like they're already an accomplice had no. Speaker 3 And so they know about this. But they refuse to be a part of this. Because they didn't have a great relationship with their father. He was the relationship that he was abusive, not a great father, you know. And so he hires a couple of his former landscaping employees for the Reports vary between $202,000. So I think what it was was one of them got one Unknown Speaker or two got 400 hours each. Speaker 3 To roll up and drop this thing off at the casino, they were told, hey, it's really fragile. It's computer device. Here's how you need to handle it. It's just super fragile. Like make sure you drop it off, and you're good. So they go drop it off. And then there was this other woman that he hired that used to like run reception for him that was going to be answering the phones. Is this all allegedly? Or is this what happened? This is what happened. Wow. And so he hires this other woman. And so she was going to answer the phones. So she wrote the note. And then she was going to tell them the location to travel to but she gave them the wrong coordinates. So the guy was sitting there with a strobe light. Was he really out there? Yeah, he was out there with a strobe light to get the ransom. And his plan was they're gonna land a helicopter all overpower the pilot, and I'll take the helicopter, and I'll fly south of the border. Yes. My highlights are Speaker 1 pretty overpowered, will ya? When you're pretty weak, they're built that way. They're built to be overpowered have to Speaker 3 be light, their bone density is really thin so that way they can fly just like birds. Yeah. What they did what he didn't account for was the fact that Speaker 1 the fight and my robot every day, really preparing to Unknown Speaker their final Rockem sockem robot. Speaker 1 Yeah, that was him. For some reason. He let it win. Sometimes he has confidence. So I don't want to quit fight me. It's got to have some victories. Speaker 3 Dad, why are you better to this Rockem sockem robot than you were to us? Well, boys, I learned my lesson with you, son. Speaker 1 This thing doesn't ask me for money all the time. I saw the way you turned out and I thought, Man, I'll tell you what, this rocker Messiah robot will put a bomb in a casino for me. Not even asking that much. So that's what you got to hold them and you got to raise them on the right path. And you know, that's the only hope as a parent, is that your kids will bomb a casino for you. Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly. So he was out there. Yeah. What he didn't account for was the fact that the FBI was going to have somebody else in the helicopter. He didn't know Yeah, he was just again, they'll just fly one. What he said was to just have one person in there. He didn't anticipate that they would, you know, not do that. So his plan was pretty flat. He built an incredible bomb to this day an incredible bomb study. Unknown Speaker So they arrested him like a bomb. Unknown Speaker Let me let me tell you, there's bomb ology Unknown Speaker a bomb experts Speaker 3 to this day say that we don't think our technology today could have cracked this bomb. We think that the only solution was text like execute the ticket with the solution was to execute the plan. Okay. So yeah, so they they ended up tracking this guy down they arrested him. They gave him a life sentence in prison, which he served. He did 14 years and then he died. And was he a Nazi? I mean, he fought for it. There's no, there's no sign. Like there's no report anywhere of like, he was like, a Nazi. Because he was already he was just like he was a part of there. So he had to fly. But you know, like it was not there. So yeah, he would have known how to fly the helicopters. So yes, yeah, he was a pilot. He had his own like, he knew how to fly. But yeah, the woman got arrested. She served eight years. The two are the all three of the Unknown Speaker she didn't answer the phone and give them coordinates. Yeah. And she wants Speaker 3 to know, she knew exactly what's going on the three people who dropped off the the they had no idea. Well, they ended up going to jail for a few years for their involvement. And then Harvey gross, collected a very large insurance settlement. And there is still questions about him to this day on his involvement in this. Oh, yeah, cuz they're pals. Yeah, they're good friends. And he got a very fat insurance settlement out of the, the execution of the bomb. But obviously, he didn't go down. Yeah. Unknown Speaker So the butcher never does. Speaker 3 There's a chance that the butcher heard the story about how Burgess got his insurance settlement when his restaurant burnt down, and said, well, Unknown Speaker well, why don't you saw my Casino? Speaker 3 He said Burgess owes us a lot of money. Here's a way to pay your debts. And yeah. Speaker 1 Ah, so how long did he died in prison? Yeah, Burgess Speaker 3 died 14 years after his sentence. Wow. In prison. It's not confirmed whether or not Harvey gross did that or not? Yeah. Unknown Speaker But I would believe it. When did Harvey gross die? Speaker 3 I actually don't know. I don't know if there's any record still with him anywhere? Yeah, he's been alive for 600 years. Wow. But yeah, so maybe sketchy all the way around? Maybe sent you all the way around. But yeah, a lot of people survived the bombing. Everyone did actually except for the bomb. Unknown Speaker Rip, Unknown Speaker rip that bomb. Killing Speaker 1 the only way to stop a bad bomb is a is a good guy with a bomb is an all timeline. That's so good. I hate you for that. I Speaker 3 was proud of that one. Anyway, right. You know, the wildest part of the whole story is though. No. It's crazy to me. You kind of you kind of mentioned it that like, literally within 48 hours this bomb going off. People were employees were getting calls to be like, Hey, show up for your shift. Yeah, for your shift. What's craziest, is that 48 hours after this bomb goes off in the lobby of the hotel phone rings. Unknown Speaker Where you go in the lobby? Unknown Speaker Yeah. Tell me. Tell me more about your Unknown Speaker Hello. A voicemail line goes Hi. I messed up the cord. But we're still interested in receiving our helicopter. Do Unknown Speaker you still have my money? Speaker 1 Do you still have our money? Like you've already executed the bomb? We get Unknown Speaker really sorry about that. There's another bomb. Speaker 1 There's a good there's another. There's another way or the other? Is there? It's right there. This phone has a Speaker 3 look. You better hang up Don't hang up this testicles. 60 miles an hour. Unknown Speaker I don't know. I was trying to fiddle off it was uh, where were you going? Speaker 3 Well, I was trying to as well. But you run to me is that the key? Actually? Because there was so much time between Yeah, this he had? Because he didn't it never got his money. He stole 1000s of pounds of dynamite again and was plotting another bombing when they arrested him. He Unknown Speaker was like, alright, I'll do it again. Yeah, because he was like, he's Unknown Speaker like, Well, I didn't get my money. That didn't work the first time. Let's try. Speaker 1 And that's a lesson if things don't work the first time. Speaker 3 try try try again. Yeah. And that's what they say. Every time you fiddle off the devil. You know when the first time you got an intern Ron Howard talking Speaker 1 with the devil. Things on last night is a production of space Tim media produced by Christian Taylor audio is edited by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic design by Caleb Goldberg. Our hosts are Jaron Meyers and Tim stone please follow us on social media at tilam podcast that's ti LL IN podcast, leave a review, comment, subscribe, wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


In 1980, Lake Tahoe, Nevada, experienced a shocking and intricate criminal scheme that astonished law enforcement officials and the public. The Harvey Casino Bomb Heist, orchestrated by mastermind John Birges, captivated the world with its audacity and unforeseen twists. John Birges’ Background and Planning Situated on the scenic shores of Lake Tahoe, the Harvey Casino was a renowned destination for … Read More

Joel Ortiz – Expert Sim Swapping Scammer, Not Expert Criminal

06-06-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey ma'am, nothing. I'm doing nothing. Good. Nothing going on. Unknown Speaker Have you heard of? Have you heard of Joel Ortiz Speaker 1 Joel Ortiz. Is this what Osteen is real name is? He was like Osteen sounds better. Speaker 2 I was dean. I thought it was Olsteen. It is higher life, Unknown Speaker isn't it that it's Olsteen. Unknown Speaker No, it's Oh, Unknown Speaker is it Osteen? Unknown Speaker I thought was Olsteen my. Unknown Speaker Yeah, you're dumb. It's Joel. Yeah. And Osteen, Speaker 2 Joel Olsteen I was Joel Olsteen. That's what I've always thought Joel Osteen. Joel Osteen. Joel Stein. No Joel or it's bots Speaker 1 all stain you know? All stain all Stein all spice. I was going for the Berenstein Unknown Speaker Bears. Oh, yeah. That's confusing. Now, Joel Olsteen. Oh, wait. Unknown Speaker 40s 40s Unknown Speaker dolor DS. Who is this? Speaker 2 Well, first of all, it's not the rapper. If you're listening to this, you're like, oh, sweet, an episode about the rapper. It's not the rapper while I'm talking about the rapper Joel or Ortiz. Yeah, Unknown Speaker yes. That was my master plan. Unknown Speaker Now this is this is an infamous hacker. He's an important hacker and hacking history. Okay. Let's let's take it from the top of the story. Speaker 1 That's how I got my wife is I hacked into her Instagram account, responded to my own. I made $17 million last year from selling methamphetamine. Here's how you can do it too. How stupid are you catch your breath? It's okay. Waterboarding myself. Things I Learned last night Speaker 2 Joel Ortiz, he was a teenager in the Call of Duty area era of Xbox Live 2014 up to that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 2010 To 2015 ish, something like that. And he he was the kind of kid I don't know. You know, you don't game a lot. So you probably didn't see a lot of this. No, I had Unknown Speaker like friends and girlfriends and money. Speaker 2 You have friends that you call friends. But everybody else was like, I was just the guy that comes around sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 So, Joel Ortiz, he was? Unknown Speaker Why did you say that? Speaker 2 What you know? Right. Clap Pac Man. You made the joke said I had a friend you know, because because you were trying to throw Speaker 1 me heard about a study this week that loneliness causes exhaustion. Did you know that? If you're exhausted, it might just be exhaustion? Yeah. And that's why I asked you and Brent to hang out that one time because I'm just so tired all the time. You know, maybe it's maybe I'm just lonely or whatever. And we hung out and still didn't change anything so Speaker 2 my life it didn't help you guys didn't help at all. It helped me at all. No whole bummer. So I think they Joshan is related to I don't know something else you're doing in your life right now. That's pretty exhausting. Holding the line so, Joel, he was Speaker 1 he was are you really going like he's a hacker. So he is what is he freaking on Call of Duty gets so what is he rage hacking? Where he's just like, you're gonna kill me? I'm gonna destroy your financial future. Where you want to you want to you want to be a camper? You're gonna live in one Do you know Speaker 2 kinda ish. Not really. He was one of those there was an era of Call of Duty. Yeah. Where there was all these YouTubers. Yeah, it would sell hacks but it was like it wasn't it was more like mod rank up your level really fast or like, like Aim Assist things that made you like a little bit better at the game. And then how would they do that? So they would make YouTube videos of them doing the hack or doing whatever it is and get 10,000 15,000 views. They would sell it for like X Box points. And so like you would have to transfer then your points on Xbox, and you would get access to their hack. But their hack didn't exist. Well, it did exist. It was a real thing. Unknown Speaker Like I'm saying, like, how did they hack the game like that? Speaker 2 Well, there was people who just knew how to code and stuff. Oh, Joel was one who he didn't know how to how to hack. He didn't know how to do it. But there's other people he bought the hack from and then he was making the YouTube videos, and then selling that stuff with you. Yeah, so he was kind of like a middleman. Sure. But like, but like a middleman who was like, not supposed to be a middleman like it's like if I went and I bought at Costco at 24 pack of Doritos. And I went outside and I saw the thing that said not for individual sale and I just wrote over it with some red sharpie for individual sale right? Yeah, that sell it to market Unknown Speaker but not it says individual Speaker 2 individual sale How much $15 A bag and people aren't that sounds like Speaker 1 burritos cost. Outside seven years. Here you go young man. Did you know kids are running Doritos stay in standby Costco, Unknown Speaker and they're the best Doritos I've ever tasted. Yeah, I Unknown Speaker bought some Girl Scout Doritos today. Cool Ranch. Unknown Speaker Girl Scouts. After marketing Doritos know you're Unknown Speaker dressed as a girl scout. Unknown Speaker figured it'd be easier to sell this Speaker 1 guy goes. Ask I see this grown man dresses across town and I can't be like, your 12 year old. I can't say that. Unknown Speaker It feels offensive to not buy it. I have to I have to pay your girls. Unknown Speaker I have to buy your jewelry. He got a Speaker 2 person like the cops showed up. And he's like, I got a perfect I gotta cover like, Oh, we're like we can't do anything about this. Sorry, Costco. You just gotta get off Costco property. Speaker 1 So you're talking about like these, these these middlemen that are doing the wholesaling stuff on Amazon. Like there's no reason for them to do that. Speaker 2 Yeah. And it's technically against the rules. I mean, but for this hacking, I saw Speaker 1 a tick tock today where a guy was like, it's so easy to make money. Look, I go on Etsy, and I look look at this design. And they sold 50,000 shirts of this, so I just copy it. And I was just like, bro, you're just straight up telling Tiktok I just stole it. Yeah, and then I just made my own version. And I sell T shirts and I will show you how if you buy my course. Yeah, Unknown Speaker pay me $1,000 A month I'll show you how to do it. Speaker 1 And if you didn't sell a T shirts, then you idiot. Yeah, we should. We should I did buy a shirt though. Unknown Speaker That gives me an idea. But we can't talk about it. Speaker 1 Oh, all right. Add that to the long list of sketchy moments in this show. of Tim going gives me an idea but we can't talk about it. Anyway, Joel Ortiz. Speaker 2 So he was making these videos and what he was doing is he was third partying so Unknown Speaker why don't you do like that as you go so hard like Unknown Speaker yeah just take a sip bro Unknown Speaker What was that Unknown Speaker I thought of it Unknown Speaker How funny would be if I just threw Unknown Speaker just chugged Unknown Speaker dad. I couldn't get to it that was a lot man you could do the whole thing right now Unknown Speaker Oh, dang it I'm so close. That Unknown Speaker is a lot though Speaker 2 oh my gosh. How big is that joke? How was that Unknown Speaker 60 ounces Unknown Speaker Catch your breath It's okay. Unknown Speaker Waterboarding myself really good audio content. I need to go throw up. Unknown Speaker You need some help. I got you. Speaker 1 Oh, Mike, that gif of that kid on Tiktok was like all right. Yeah, it was great because water. Unknown Speaker Yeah, it's just water. Unknown Speaker I didn't think that through that doesn't feel good. Speaker 1 All right. So he's thought of You're hilarious. It was hilarious. Speaker 2 He's he's selling this stuff online, but he has no idea what it is or how it works. He's just making these videos of him like downloading this from some torrent website, okay, and then selling it to kids and kids are buying it from him. And so he's kind of like, Hey, this is interesting. But there's a there's a reputation that doing this for like in the hacker community is pretty lame, because you're not actually hacking like you're just taking other people's hacks and like, Speaker 1 you're not actually selling. You're not designing T shirts on Etsy. You're just stealing Oh, yeah, Speaker 2 yeah. And so he's that he wants to learn for himself. So he starts learning coding languages, and all the hacking tools and the cheat codes to do it himself. Sure. So by the end of high school, he's home hacking, if you will. Yeah, yes. But in high school, he's there. He's doing this hacking. He's doing the hacks by himself. And he's developing his own hacks. He's selling those online. And all right. Speaker 2 And so he's, meanwhile, he's really successful in his education career. He, he becomes valedictorian of his high school. He's the captain of the robotics team. Like he's, he's, he's a smart kid, right? And he taught himself how to hack a nerd, if you will. Yeah. He taught himself how to hack games, and he's hacking all these games and stuff. Um, he ended up getting a scholarship and going to school in Boston, to study. Not hacking, but computer sciences, but study it well. It wasn't on paper hacking, but that's what he was learning. Like it was he was learning computer science, but he's learning to hack. While he's there, he learns about a better way to make money that's a little bit easier, because there's this new thing. That's, I mean, that's super, not super new, but still pretty new, called Instagram. Unknown Speaker And I couldn't hack Instagram. Speaker 2 Yeah, there was a market on Instagram of people who wanted the short form usernames. So like, the number zero, or the number one, or rice or like, or just the name, James, you know, like people those those usernames were really coveted because obviously, like you had to be early to the platform is their number one. Yeah, I mean, there's got to be and so but I Unknown Speaker can't see this content this time. Speaker 2 Oof. Well, I can probably explain why I was here. So at the time there was a big market for these people really wanted to have him it was like a status symbol almost in the Unknown Speaker sorry I'm watching a real right now. Speaker 2 Oh big market for there's a status symbol is a status symbol in the hacker community if you had one of these short form usernames because it meant like you were early to the platform or to got it you know, like you you got it you got it. Yeah, you took it Yeah. So there was a method to it if you this Unknown Speaker day and he Speaker 1 Shaggy. Yeah, it's a barrier Unknown Speaker your ear while you're doing this he's ghost. It's bubbly. Okay, grab Speaker 1 man up and chug it. I'll be quiet. Unknown Speaker I'll be quiet. It was Perrier for Unknown Speaker me. All right, go ahead. Chug it. Keep going. Keep going. Speaker 3 You're about to do. Very Hey, come on. Chug. The Perrier Come on. Content April 30 and may 7 in Joplin, Missouri. Speaker 3 I towel I did a whole town. People don't come to the show. I'm so mad. Oh my gosh Unknown Speaker I also sell shirts on Unknown Speaker you getting by and I didn't design Unknown Speaker you okay Speaker 1 oh man, Sir David Ortiz Jolla. David Ortiz played for Boston anyway. Speaker 2 Um, yeah. So how do you remember where were we in the story? What did I just tell you? Unknown Speaker I don't know. So Speaker 2 trying to get those short form Instagrams, Instagram handles. And what he's doing is they there's a community of hackers that figured out if you could get access to the account, then what you would do is you just change the name of that account. Okay? So you would change it to like one, one rep. And then that account, the one is up for grabs, you have another account that goes and snags the one handle, right, but right when you so you're not, you're not stealing that account? You're just stealing the username, right? When they change the username, you can grab the username on a different account. Speaker 1 So okay, wait, you're saying you would create an account? Let's bubbles man. Yeah. And then you would wait for someone to change their username? Speaker 2 No, you would you would create an account, you would get access to that one. You would create an account that had just some dumb name. Jaron Meyers. Yeah, so dumb name like that stupid. And then you would go, if you wanted the number one to be your username, you would gain access to that account, you would hack your way in, and then you would change that account to one dash rip. And then when that changes the other account, you would change your username to one because now it's available. Unknown Speaker Okay. Speaker 2 So this person who was one didn't lose their account, but they lost one. That's why Unknown Speaker my Instagram is now Jared Meyers dash rip. Speaker 2 And so it's this method that they were using, and what they would say what they would do is they had on like, the dark web, you could buy these usernames. Is that accurate? Dark Mode? Yes. Yeah, that's exactly. It's just Instagram with the dark mode on. A Thursday, June 29, at 630, we are doing another patron hangout. These are super fun opportunities for us to just hang out on a zoom call with our patrons get to know you a little bit better find out what's going on in your life. And it's and have a lot of fun. Sometimes you might have seen some of these clips. They are absolutely wild. You guys do some crazy stuff in these videos, like pull ups or eat pizza. It's bonkers. And we'd love to have you on there. Thursday, June 29 630, text toe into 66866 to become a patron and join us Speaker 2 he was selling these usernames on on the dark web. It was kinda like Fiverr. Like, you're like you want this username that somebody has all get it for you. Speaker 1 Sure. And for how much did that cost? How much money are you making? Speaker 2 Well, it started out he was charging only a couple 100 bucks and they started learning. He's like, Oh, I can do 1000 bucks for these. Speaker 1 How does this is a total tangent. How does GoDaddy. Get the domains? How to domains work? I mean, do you remember right? Like what I text you the other day? And I was like, why is this one like $3,000? And why does GoDaddy have the ability to get it? But I don't. Speaker 2 So if if there is a domain that hasn't been like that doesn't exist yet? Yes, then they are able to just create it and tie it to the IP address on the server where it's going to be. So if that's simple, if it does exist, then they have to go get it from the first part. But the one I say he doesn't exist. Yeah, but that's where it's interesting. If it doesn't exist, then they have like an algorithm that watches search volume, how often is that getting searched? But also the phrase in it like what are the odds that that is like, easily memorable? Or is that like, Sure, a short like how long is it how Like what's happening outside in the world? Is there other stuff that could make this become a thing now? So like AI, like anything with AI now that even though it's not, like, even though that domain hasn't been used, if it has AI in it, it's automatically because the algorithm is like, well, that's hot right now. So those are gonna cost more. Okay. And so this is just a bunch of it's an algorithm. It's a bunch of factors. Speaker 1 Okay, that didn't answer anything for me. Like, if they got it listed? Yeah. So they've claimed is what you're saying? Like they've attached to an idea or good IP address already? Speaker 2 Maybe I don't know how that works on their end, I would assume. But like now, Unknown Speaker yeah. That's why I'm saying like, why can they charge three grand for it? Like, can Speaker 2 you search it? The algorithm knows, I understand how much this would cost. That's the value of this domain? Sure. Speaker 1 But I'm saying like, why can't I attach that domain to an IP address? Apart from that? Yeah, I'm actually not sure on that. That's all I'm saying. Like, why, like, what? I'm not sure I'm not part of, Can I cut the middleman out and go and just get it? I would Speaker 2 assume you got to be able to write but I actually don't know. I don't know how that works. What I do, what they're doing is Speaker 1 I hack the address that I want. And then I just make it dash rip. Speaker 1 And then I get that so like, I tried to find free joy.com Was I just you know, and it sucks because it was a it was a really sweet website that they give a lot of money to charity and stuff. And I was like, This is my now this is mine. And so I took it. It's not I wasn't I did the Speaker 2 same thing. That's how I actually got my job. I I took Google and turned it into just some dumb basic search engine. I did this like 15 years. Yeah. Speaker 1 Yeah. That's how I got my wife is I hacked into her Instagram account, responded to my own. Unknown Speaker Right, and then gaslit her and then Speaker 1 you don't really responded to me? You said yes. was actually really, really, really rude of you. To say yes, I just say no, if you don't want to do it. Unknown Speaker And now we're married. It was serendipitous. Really, it really was. Speaker 2 That's it? That's, that's our first rom com We're gonna shoot. Speaker 1 Okay, so there's water on the table. And I don't know if it's been in your mouth or not. Unknown Speaker Alright, so Speaker 2 the way he was doing this, yeah. Was through a method called sim swapping. I don't know if you've heard of this. It's kind of crazy. So the concept, the concept of this is, you will figure it out. Okay. If I try to log in to the Unknown Speaker for 15. Do you need to get on your call with Alex? Unknown Speaker Yeah, sorry, I gotta go. Unknown Speaker Sorry, I gotta leave you alone. Tell the story. Speaker 2 Yeah. So sim swapping, what he would do is go try to log into the account that he wanted. Yeah, say forgot my password, and then say, claim through the phone number. And what it would do is it would give you the phone number in the way it does. The way Instagram works is it says the phone number but it like blocks out a couple characters. All he would have to do is figure out which character that is. And he had some algorithm or something he would use to help them narrow down what it was okay. And then what he would do is he would figure out what carrier had that phone number. And so if it was AT and T T Mobile, whatever it was, he would then call T Mobile and say, Hey, I'm this person he found he would find their name tracked. And the same way you do your Facebook stalking stuff. Unknown Speaker It's me. Hi. Speaker 2 I'm trying to log or I'm trying to get my new phone connected. I got a new SIM card. I got this new phone. I'm trying to get that connected to my number. He would just steal their phone number. Yeah. And they would say okay, well, they would ask the security questions. He would go through all their stuff to figure out what their security question answers would be. Because like most people share, like, what's your first car you most people, you can go back through their Facebook and see the first car that they owned? And so like he would Speaker 1 go through this and so much effort for he would go through and find Speaker 2 those answers. And then he would buy their social security number for like 20 bucks on the dark web. Because everyone's was on the dark web for like 20 bucks. And so then they would ask for Speaker 1 you heard it here, folks. It's out there. Speaker 2 And so then and then they would ask for the last for the social he would give the last for the social. How do Unknown Speaker I find the dark web Unknown Speaker You go to work web.com? Speaker 1 Yeah. Where do I go for quick? You know, Dark Web dark, find the dark. Speaker 2 That's not available. No, but it's you. It's taken. But GoDaddy says we might be able to track it down for you for only 70 bucks $69.69 99. But Dark Web dot social is available? Should we get Speaker 1 that? I've always wondered about college, Dark Web dot Speaker 2 anyways. And then you would just say, Yeah, can you connect the SIM card? And then they would be like, cool. Yeah, it's you. You answered all the questions. So let me just connect your phone. And then they would go back to try to log in and select the phone number. And now they're getting your tech because they have your SIM card. And so your phone will get disconnected from your service. On your end on their end, they now have your phone. And so the phone number comes through, they would know your whole phone number. Yeah. And so then they would enter in the security code that comes through and now they're in your account, and then they change everything. Speaker 1 So you got to steal someone's entire identity, just to get the username. Yeah. I mean, I just feel like if you've got their social security number to get their Instagram account, there's more money to be made. Speaker 2 You know, saying, Well, that's what happened. He was doing this Speaker 1 way many cells back the way he's like doing all this process. He's like, Wait a minute. Yeah. He realizes for $200 when I could just steal from this person. Speaker 2 Yeah. So that's what he realized. So he's in college, he's doing this, okay. He's just He's smart. That's good. He's doing this Instagram, seeing he's in college, and then he realizes, Oh, yeah, wait, like the pinches take their money. So he goes, here's what he does. He goes to a Bitcoin Conference, and he just meets on the woodshed and 13 This is probably 2000 At this point, probably 2017 Oh, that's Speaker 1 early Bitcoin still. Yeah. What was the first time you heard about Bitcoin? The first time I heard about it, yeah. Who was the first person like tell you about Bitcoin? I don't Speaker 2 remember who the first person was. But I bet I do. Probably knew about summer probably 2017 2018. Speaker 1 Ex girlfriend's dad. It was it was it was a it was Patrick Phelan. Who was the youth pastor? At the church? I was going to Yeah, who in I remember the night very specifically, yeah. Where he was. We were in the back parking lot. And he's like, bro, have you heard of crypto? Unknown Speaker I remember he told me he made a lot. Speaker 1 He did. He did he I mean, he he cashed out too late for what his birthday? He if he had written it out? Yeah. Then he would be a multimillionaire. Yeah, if he had cashed out 21. But I think he cashed out in like, 2019. I still made some some change on Speaker 2 that. That's crazy. But yeah, he went to his Bitcoin Conference, met a bunch of people who were Bitcoiners and then stole the scheme, is it the same swap with them, and got into their Bitcoin accounts and just drained their accounts and send it to him? And a little thing about Joel Ortiz, he was he grew up in a home where his mother was disabled, and his father worked menial jobs. So he grew up very, very impoverished. And so he gets to this opportunity, and he starts pulling out $40,000 70,000, not 90,000, not big cash outs. And it's, it hits him fast. Unknown Speaker Where do you live at? Unknown Speaker Well, now he's in Boston, because he's going to school. Speaker 1 And he doesn't think through how sorry. Yeah, he's like, 90 is not thinking through how the government knows his transactions. Yeah, he's Speaker 2 like, 19. He has no idea. See how that works. He's, he's young. He's, he's young to be trying to do all this. And so him and his happy friends blowing 40 grand on it. And 19 He tells us hacker friends about this. And so they start a group they call it the community. Speaker 1 We buy at 19 $40,000. Speaker 2 I probably would have bought a car. I bet. You think so? Yeah, that'd probably be the first thing I buy. And then I could see I could see us. I could see us pulling our next door neighbor in Springfield. And buying Oh, yes. Living in this house together. And like the house is like find Speaker 1 the guy that was I don't think he bought that house. I think he was renting. Yeah, he might have been Tony. Yeah, he was he was renting. And we know he'd same company that owned the house we lived in. We were paying each 250 in rent. So the whole house was $1,000. Yeah. And our neighbor next to us in that neighborhood had a Lamborghini Unknown Speaker while he had a Lamborghini. Unknown Speaker But he had a Lamborghini. A pickup Speaker 2 truck. Yeah, he had a Porsche. He had two motorcycles. He did Unknown Speaker window tint. Yeah, that's what he did. Speaker 2 Yeah, it was. It was not believable. Yeah. And he but he didn't even live there. He lived in Kansas City. And he came down to Springfield on the weekends. Oh, is that true? Yeah, I guess I didn't realize that. I came down. He came down in Springfield to do the stuff that you couldn't do a window tint around his family, I guess I don't know. It was very sketchy. Anyways. Yeah. And so they started living him in the community, they started that group to call the community and they all started doing this. Like he taught all his friends how to do this, there's sim swap, and they're stealing Bitcoin. And he, it goes to his head. And he's like, he's like, I've got the he went, and he got the Instagram handle zero. So he's zero on Instagram zero on Twitter, which in this hacker community is a huge deal to have that as your handle. And then he's now got, Speaker 1 well, you also gotta know that everyone's trying to hack your account all the time. Unknown Speaker I guess if you're a zero. Yeah. I guess Yeah, it's Unknown Speaker a big deal. Everyone's trying to hack you. Yeah. Zima on RuneScape Unknown Speaker if you play RuneScape RuneScape. Lord, that is Speaker 1 a that's such a good reference. And I know we will have plenty of RuneScape listeners. Yeah, that's such a good reference Speaker 2 that yeah, I don't get it. I played Runescape but I didn't play RuneScape you know, like I played it, but I didn't Speaker 1 play your sixth grade heart just burst out of your chest when you heard that name. What a good time. So, so freakin cool, man. Speaker 2 So he's living like an influencer lifestyle. He's going to clubs, he's getting bottleservice He's fine rent and private jets, like flying all over the states to go to these parties. I post these pictures in like, Balenciaga. He's got designer clothes. Like all this stuff. Like he's like, he looks like Travis Kelce is Instagram. Like, that's the lifestyle he's leading. And he's like, he, he got into it. Right? And everyone's like, Oh, yeah, this costume all of a sudden. That's interesting. I wonder what happened? Or how you did that. Meanwhile, his YouTube channel where he was posting stuff that all the quality stuff. He's now posting how to Sim swap, like videos teaching you how to do the hacking stuff. And he's selling online courses. No, he's not. He's not selling online courses. But he is, is doing these YouTube videos training. Now these hacking methods and techniques. I Speaker 1 made $17 million last year from selling methamphetamine. Here's how you can do it to How stupid are you bro? Speaker 2 And then he's, and then he's tweeting asking questions about how to to hide Bitcoin transactions from the IRS on how to work tweeting. Speaker 1 How do I hide transactions from IRS? He's like, he's like, get girl to like me for more than my money. Speaker 2 He's like, he's like, I feel like I'm gonna have to pay taxes on this. I don't know how to handle it. But what do I do? Do I have to report that? Can I not report that like tweeting these questions? Speaker 1 You're telling me you have the access to the entire dark web? Yeah, you've got a password to dark dot web. And you're having to tweet for your financial advice. Yeah, iron. Speaker 2 Let's be honest, though. None of us know how to deal with taxes. Yeah. Speaker 1 CPA, find the Saul Goodman of CPA. CCPA. A criminal. CPA. I don't know what CPA stands for. Certified Personal accountant, criminal personal accountant. Unknown Speaker What does CPA safeguard against certified person? Unknown Speaker I don't know. A lot of money. I'm pretty sure that that just shows how stupid I am. Speaker 2 You don't need to know what it means you probably isn't real. That's the point of the job is you don't need to know Speaker 1 what they do. That's like the whole purpose. The whole market where she goes, Speaker 2 there's no need. You don't need to know there's no need to. I've got you covered. You don't need to know you're not gonna go to jail. You don't need to know I'm protecting you. You don't need to know. Yeah, yeah, Unknown Speaker I won't go. She's just tweeting. I won't Unknown Speaker go to jail. No, you need to say you won't go to jail. Speaker 1 No, I know. I hear what you're saying. You're saying you say saying i Okay. I won't go. No. I don't want to go to jail. Yeah, but Speaker 2 what you didn't say is you won't go to jail. You won't go to jail. No, but I know I'm the CPA. I won't go to jail. Unknown Speaker Okay, so you need to find Speaker 2 a criminal CPA. He's just putting stuff out. Yeah. And he's living the life stuff. Speaker 1 And so he's drunk at these clubs, and he's yelling it to random people like the music's rollout. Yeah, it's like, how I commit tax fraud Unknown Speaker How do I help me commit the fraud? Unknown Speaker What is embezzling? So, Unknown Speaker I are one please. Speaker 2 Please give me more. And so Oh, what is IRS several so they go to this party him in the community that in LA they fly to LA they're doing this party in LA. They do bottle service during the club. They're posting all these videos on Instagram of them throwing literally $40,000 around. And they're talking about like, like we got $40,000 tossing like literally just just tossing Speaker 1 it back. Yeah, I guess that's what we would have done for 40 grand probably Unknown Speaker $40,000 Unknown Speaker Go on. Should we pay off our debts? No. Unknown Speaker Let's play football with the money. Speaker 1 Now there's any money $40,000 You got to specify how much it is. Speaker 2 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Speaking of future episodes, we have a ton of past episodes. We have a back catalogue of well over 100 episodes. So check those out. My current favorite is Nelly Bly. She was a journalist from the early 1900s, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy. Some of the things that she did. We had a lot of fun in that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately, just thanks for being here. Speaker 2 And so they were leaving the club one night in LA. And somebody had seen that video that they posted. And they got held up at gunpoint and taken back to Yeah, taken back to the Airbnb they rented and they sold off a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff from these kids. And so they post this video as follow up video the next day. Guy Rob last night. Yeah. And they were Speaker 1 Hey guys, we got Rob last night. Subscribe to see how you can get robbed. By my course of how to get Rob Subscribe Speaker 2 today to have enough money for robbers to be interested in you too. Speaker 1 I guess we could do we could do a whole YouTube channel that is just like, instructional videos on how to make bad things happen in your life. Unknown Speaker Yeah, hey, guys. Speaker 1 Today's episode is all about how to be thrown in jail for tax evasion. Unknown Speaker Hey, today we're talking about how to lose your job. Unknown Speaker Smash that Like button. Speaker 2 Yeah, so they post this video and he's like, shaken up. And he's like clearly shaken up with the video. He goes and he files a police report to because he's like he's like yeah, we got robbed. So stupid all this so all of this stuff I bought with my stolen money was stolen from me. And so the police are like interesting Where'd you get this like 740,000 to buy all this stuff? And that raises some red flags for them Sure. So they handed over LA Speaker 1 police beat cops are like are like huh something's going on here. Speaker 2 So they handed over to react which is a YouTube Unknown Speaker channel Unknown Speaker hey guys hey reacting to this video hey guys Speaker 1 got LA Police Department called us and said we've got some fish here and we're here to check it out Oh, looks like another murder Speaker 1 oh well no react got its click Beatty Speaker 2 React is like a it's like an FBI that I don't think a lot of people know about I don't know about it sits for regional enforcement allied computer team. No, it does. And basically, what we call ourselves Unknown Speaker played Runescape together the regional Unknown Speaker enforcement allied computer deep. Unknown Speaker Doesn't seem like React. Speaker 2 Yeah, and each kid says a different word. Regional enforcement allied computer team. Speaker 1 Yeah, I like to watch this computer fight Unknown Speaker for kids to go killer Unknown Speaker Yeah, seems to be a fifth one. Unknown Speaker Oh, that's another murder Unknown Speaker this week on React taught me the T and react was murder. Here's how I get through it as a team Just saying the word. But let's solve this murder. Can you see? Speaker 1 See, this is what this is what loses us sponsors. You know? Unknown Speaker This is where our we've said the word too many Unknown Speaker word. Oh, Unknown Speaker we can say it. Clarify we're let's get out of here. Please keep going with the story we got to keep going. Speaker 2 So this react force gets together. Okay, start doing some recon on Joel. And they realize that he is going undercover in his community, posting a bunch of hacking videos to YouTube. Yeah, posting all of a sudden a bunch of money person things to post Speaker 1 money person. That's why you'll never be a money person right there. What you just said Unknown Speaker is the money person is all that money Person. Speaker 1 Person. All right. Speaker 2 And then, and so they start following some rabbit trails. Yeah, trying to track them down. And they end up getting these reports of a bunch of people who are like, Yeah, I had like $2 million stolen from my Bitcoin account. And so they start looking into that, and they are Speaker 1 What do you mean they? Oh, line. They they start tracking it down? And this person casually goes, Yeah, I had like $2 million stolen from my Bitcoin account. That wasn't a police report. Speaker 2 Well, okay. So I should back up, I should back up. The people that this happened to that he was stealing from no went and did the reports. God, and now the React force knows about this, but they have these billboards, they have no Who is this? And now this guy shows up because of this police. Like I bet this guy did it. Yeah. And they're like, so they go to T Mobile 18 T the groups where they got that information from originally. And they said, Hey, can you connect us to the device that they connected to? And so they got access to the SIM card, and they remotely access his phone. And they found this picture that he used to verify his identity for his Bitcoin account, which is just a picture of his face holding up his ID with all of his information on it. Obviously, it's an ID. Speaker 1 This is such a sad picture. Unknown Speaker And that's how like, I don't want Speaker 1 to move on from his signature. I want to know, Can we zoom in on his signature by chance? Can Unknown Speaker you zoom in on this? Speaker 1 I don't know. Because that's just squiggles. That's I don't know if you can his signature looks like he drew it in that PENGUIN GAME. You know, I'm talking about line The line drawing Yeah. Where it writes. Yes. That's what that he looks like, logged into that and was like, I'm gonna go Speaker 2 for it. Yeah, that actually is what it looks like. Or on a little extra sketch thing. He's an organ donor, though. So good for Hey, yes. Speaker 1 You know, he's not all bad. It is a vertical card, which means he's under 21. Speaker 2 Yeah, yep. And they're like, alright, we got our guy, and Unknown Speaker we got him for underage drinking. Speaker 3 And also embezzling millions of dollars. But we're gonna charge for sure. Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah, they show up the frickin ETF shows up to tank everything. And then also I hear underage drinking. And then there's another thing Speaker 1 Oh, so the other stuff but really we are the DARE program they bring a real live Speaker 3 and they're like really near and dear did drugs and alcohol we were gonna let the lion EU we said that from the beginning rather than the jump. Unknown Speaker Darren the dare Speaker 2 dare lion. Oh my gosh. So they're like we got a guy. And typically, what happens if we got this picture is on every phone? Well, there's pictures on the phone that he was using to do these things. Oh, God, he kept putting the SIM card in and sim swapping it and then pull that SIM card out and put his back in? Yeah, I was shocked this Speaker 1 to where he's like holding a little. Yeah, yeah, that's a really good time. Speaker 2 So typically, what the React force would do in this scenario is they would sit on it for a little while, let him perpetrate some more crimes. They're in his devices. So they're watching. They're gathering evidence. So that way, it's easier for them to get a conviction. But after he's already cried enough, well, after he got robbed, he was like, he's like, I think that's it. He's going back to Boston. And he's just Unknown Speaker normal life and the reaction was watching him. Speaker 2 Yeah, man. Well, well, he says that and they're worried that he's got Going back to Boston, they know he had a an appointment on the calendar to go to Europe soon. And so they're like he's gonna He's gonna, he's gonna run. Yeah. And so what they did is they went they knew his flight was going he was flying back to Boston. So they went to LAX and they were not that Unknown Speaker guy Unknown Speaker to f 16 brought her down. Unknown Speaker This kid was underage drinking. Speaker 1 Bravo Delta the air. And what I'm pretty sure it was an undercover cop brought on an emotional support lion. And I was like, I appreciate it. Aaron the dare lie. For my emotions. It was wearing a t shirt. Unknown Speaker Such a big T shirt. Unknown Speaker Like 20 sea lions or Speaker 2 like seven rows. And that'll put a buffer to them for comfort plus a lion, Unknown Speaker a lion dude. an underage drinker on that plane. Speaker 2 So I figured out the time of his flight, they called the airport and we're like, when's he fine? And then yeah, we can get you that information. And what they figured was aid and probably be smart if we wait for him to go through security. So we know he's clear. And so they let him go through that's Unknown Speaker not that smart. Speaker 2 So he wants to, he walks through the metal detectors. Unknown Speaker We know he doesn't have any alcohol on him. Unknown Speaker He walks to the detectors and prints hands and walks around the corner Unknown Speaker like why don't you ever see Joel? Unknown Speaker I've got these textbooks. Speaker 3 Oh, speaking of tailors, it is I forgot. Okay, so there was this one person who Unknown Speaker scammed and took their money from Speaker 1 but then he fell in love with her. And he was like, oh, no, I can't scam this girl. I gotta, Speaker 2 there was there was this one person where I can't remember exactly why this happened. I forgot about this story. I can't remember exactly why this happened. But for some reason, he couldn't get into their Bitcoin account. Like he had a second layer of two factor authentication or something. So he Unknown Speaker was like, Hey, will you text me that verification code? Well, Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know why he thought this would work. He tracked down his daughter's phone number. And he texted his daughter and what he texted his dog guy he's trying to scam. Now the guy is trying to steal the money from he's there. Okay, I Unknown Speaker gotta get in touch with his daughter. And he Unknown Speaker he texted his daughter and he said, tell your daddy to send me Bitcoin. And why you thought that was? I don't? I don't know. But he tried that. They didn't work out for him. Unknown Speaker She responded. Unknown Speaker I don't think she did. I'm pretty sure she was like what? Speaker 1 For sure. She was like a 12 year old. She's been like, what's Bitcoin? What's Bitcoin? So imagine your kid comes to you and is like, hey, got this text? Yeah, what do you do? Speaker 2 I mean, you probably start with calling the police Sure. Put it in a police. Speaker 1 I escaped the police. I go straight to react. Hey, guys react here. Hey, we got some guy texted this chick. They do say that, don't you? That's how they talk about when we reverse this chick. Unknown Speaker Daddy's big. Unknown Speaker I'm really uncomfortable. Speaker 2 Very uncomfortable. Okay, so Joel gets arrested. Yeah, they he goes to court. He pleads no contest, which is essentially guilty. Yeah. And they were able to track $7.8 million Speaker 1 to him that he stole Gee, and he's like, What? 19 Speaker 2 He's 21 at the time of his like, actual like, court. He got arrested when he was 20 by the time his hearing goes through, he's 21 They were only able to account for $400,000 restitution 400,000 He claims he spent the rest Unknown Speaker a lot of money Speaker 2 on whether or not that's still out there somewhere and he's got hidden in some of their Bitcoin account. They don't they have no account is Robinhood Speaker 1 account. Oh, I've got $7.4 million in Robin Hood. Yeah, Unknown Speaker I mean, it's worth a lot less now. Speaker 1 True, but it's gonna be worth a lot more diving. So yeah, I saw a tweet today that says that Bitcoin is going to hit 100,000 by 2024. So I put in I put in 10 grand Unknown Speaker I'm putting in 100,000 I'm so Speaker 1 pleased no content. No I did. I there was an interesting stock move I made this week though. So virgin orbit went bankrupt. And I'm thinking about buy their stock for me selling for like two cents right now. You know, so I was like I could buy $1,000 for this. Speaker 2 I don't know how many shares a virgin orbit I have right now. How many do you have? 775 Unknown Speaker What's it? What's it trading at right now? Unknown Speaker It's gone up a little bit. It's trading at Unknown Speaker six cents. Oh, dang, we could have tripled our money. Unknown Speaker Yeah, we would have actually got in there early enough. Unknown Speaker I'm gonna go buy it today. Speaker 2 I actually put an order in on Saturday because I forgot. And so it came through today. So I think I bought it for $1.08 a pop. Dang it today. Yeah. So I mean, that's really probably nothing's gonna happen with it. But there's a chance. Anyways, Unknown Speaker I'm really glad I discovered that though. Go ahead. Speaker 2 So he pleased no contest. Sure. But he's the first person that they got on this sim swapping thing. And he stole seven and a half million dollars, you know, kind of a big charge. And he was enraged. And so, Unknown Speaker because he was a penalty in Boston, Speaker 2 they actually throw you into the Boston Harbor. molasses and the T minutes go Go for it. Yeah, good luck. Speaker 1 Let's see you swim out of that. It's thick. Fight. The monster is down there. Ben Franklin. Unknown Speaker Still alive at the Boston. Alright, he's a monster. That's all they need to Boston hot boy Unknown Speaker Ben Franklin. HBB. Baby. Speaker 2 So say please don't God does. Yeah. And they they sentenced him to 10 years in prison for it, which seems a little low to me. Sure. But everything I read says acted like it was high. But he gets out now. Right? Well, now he got convicted in 2019. Oh, 29. He's in there. Yeah. And so okay. So he went to prison. And every article I read said that they were like making an example of him. Because like, there's a lot of people that were doing this, but that seems like a low ish sentence. Yeah. Speaker 1 Example of a first shot. And then they used Speaker 2 his contact list to get all of the community so all of his friends that they're staying with, they ended up going and catching them. And they all started serving, like three, four or five year jail sentences, depending on how much money they stole. Worth. Only a handful of them were they able to repay even part of it. One of them and one of them in particular had stole $14 million. Geez. And he paid back the full thing, which is kind of crazy to me. Because I feel like he probably spent some of that. So unless the value of his Bitcoin went up enough to where he could just cover that 14 Or if he saw some more to cover that 14 I don't know how he paid off. I paid it all back. But he did pay it all back. Is he still in prison? No, he did two years because he paid it all back. Wow. And so Unknown Speaker he's like, that was pretty worth it. Speaker 2 Yeah, I do it again. The interesting thing that I would not do again, I couldn't Speaker 1 imagine you get convicted in 2019. Right? For stealing all his Bitcoin, you get in you, you pay back your 14 million but you've still got like, a couple million dollars in Bitcoin. Yeah, you serve two years when you get out. It's 2021. Yeah, that's worth an insanely amount more. Yeah. Because 21 was the boom if you still haven't, and then you sell it. And you're like I did two years in prison and still made. Yeah. $28 million dollars. Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, could have been a good business plan. Unknown Speaker Yeah. He's gonna be at the right time and a Ponzi scheme, not the Unknown Speaker timing, timing. couple important lessons. Speaker 1 That's why it's crazy that right now you can get in on Patreon. You're saying like both years from now, a couple years from now? We're not going to do this Speaker 2 $100,000 A tear. Yeah, yeah. And you can sell those tears. Speaker 1 You could sell those tears or you can have something in your eyes. Yeah. What do you want to do? Speaker 2 Would you rather sell it here or be a TV person here for the theory, you want to beat theory? So anyway, so yeah, important lesson. The experts because of this, and these schemes, say whenever possible, if the service you're using allows it, do not use your phone number for your two factor authentication. Use what am I supposed to do a different account, use an email account or to use a authenticator app? Because those are harder for people to gain access to then your phone number. It's still really easy. If someone can go get the information, which is it takes work, it takes effort, but if someone's willing to make the effort to go get your phone number, they can just get your phone number from the carriers. There's, Unknown Speaker I'll give you my phone number. Unknown Speaker And they'll just take it from you. Hey, if Speaker 1 you've tried to hack me just ask ask me all you had to do was ask ask me nicely and they'll give it to you. That was was were really funny moment. Jury Duty. How far have you watched? Speaker 2 We've, we're on the finale. Okay, we're Morrison's like, guys. Speaker 1 If one of you needed money, just ask. No, it was before as the as I don't know, apparently, someone paid the paparazzi to show up yesterday. Oh, yeah. When he needed money just asked why did he Yeah. Can I ask for money? No, no. It's good times. Good times. Speaker 2 Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see what he does. When he gets out. Some of the community has gotten into ethical hacking. So they're doing that now, which is good for them, Speaker 1 where you just hack big companies or what? No ethical hacking. So like Speaker 2 Google has hacking bounties. So like, if you can find bugs in their code that like, are security risks, then they'll pay you to expose those so that way, they can then patch them. And so depending on how big the vulnerability is, you're gonna make pretty dang good money finding Yes, but you got to you got to know your stuff. Sure. So a lot of those guys got into Ethical Hacking after that. Speaker 1 But I mean, I make YouTube videos about ethical hacking. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I ethically hack I unethically I Speaker 1 steal YouTube videos about Speaker 2 it Yeah, it's pretty ethical you asked me do on ethical is make an ethical right. That's what I've heard. I've heard the same thing. But yeah, so moral of the story is the guy in the last episode if he would have tried to come up to this guy probably could have built a business. Yeah, because this guy wasn't covered his tracks very well. He's not he's no anonymous. Or was he? Speaker 1 Please don't ask us. Please, I'm begging you. Please don't do it. That would be a bummer. If you would like to support us. TEXT tilahun Dash rip Speaker 1 just joking, just chillin. 266-866-6686 is my phone number. 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HBGary – The Man Who Took on Anonymous and Lost

05-30-23
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Unknown Speaker We gotta get started. Okay, yeah. Hey man. Hey man, no talking to your store. Speaker 1 I'll finish it later. Okay, amen. Have you ever heard of Aaron bar? Unknown Speaker Aaron bar? Yes. It's the bar exam. Speaker 1 Close. Maybe Maybe you've heard of HB Gary. Unknown Speaker This is dead bill. Unknown Speaker No bar. Bill Burr. Speaker 2 Bill Barr exists. I'm not a guy that wasn't as really as that. He was attorney general. Unknown Speaker I only know about Bill Barr. Unknown Speaker Bill Barr was the attorney general for whatever. Unknown Speaker I'm not interested in that. Unknown Speaker I am not either. Unknown Speaker No HB Gary. Have you heard of HB Gary? Speaker 2 HB Gary? Yeah, no, I don't know. Perfect. Well, this is great. And you don't have to do this Dr. Waterboarding first they liked that part. Someone using your Twitter account to tweet your social security number. Should we sit in charge and say my ex girlfriend's dad's rich? That's pretty funny. That's pretty you know how sometimes toasts doesn't come out as dark as you want it but then other times it comes out like two dark things I learned last night Speaker 1 Aaron Barr he is also from the top of the story he Jeremy that sounds his mouth there's no can he just did that alright refreshing Unknown Speaker like we did to clarify this Unknown Speaker need to clarify. Oh man. Aaron in Regina Speaker 1 area. Theory HB Gary HD Garin Parr Aaron bar. So we'll Unknown Speaker say in person. Unknown Speaker Yes. Speaker 2 Sorry to ruin your story. space just for audio listener. His face was like, Why did you do that? He's like, Yeah, they are. Okay. And I was gonna do a big reveal. And you mess it up. So Aaron variables got some weird energy today. I want to fight. Speaker 1 Yeah, you do. What do you were fine. You should have been in that crowd with me last night. Then. Get all the bruises. Unknown Speaker From where you're at a concert last? Yeah. Speaker 1 Okay is the ABR that was? There was a there's a listener. They're a fan of the show. And I pointed Alex out and she wanted to Alex's autograph. And Alex refused. Yeah, she did. Actually. She said, Unknown Speaker she said Alex goes, Speaker 1 she says, she said, Wow, he looks way cooler than you guys make. So Speaker 2 oh, she must have been looking at somebody else. Well, the lighting does that. You know, if you see Alex in a dark crowd, it's kind of cool. Speaker 1 I mean, you see him in the lights like we do. This is a cool guy. And I will say Alex, Speaker 2 your lights? Did you do Alexa, turn on the podcasts? Oh, good Speaker 1 catch. I will say to Alex was working. So like he was like, I mean, he's making lights happen? He ran on stage and fix something. Okay. Speaker 2 If you did you watch him more than you watch the concert? Because I absolutely would have no. Are you a second? Unknown Speaker time so I couldn't see him. Speaker 2 Alex, are you the type of sound guy that's back there? And you're just like, or are you just because there's multiple kinds of sound guys Speaker 1 answer that by Mike answer that by doing whenever Unknown Speaker groovin. And then one is just which one are you? Okay, anyway, yeah, so Unknown Speaker depends a lot on how wrong things are going. Unknown Speaker Oh, that's fair. That's good. Speaker 1 But yeah, they want to Alex's didn't even ask for mine to ask for Alex's. And I just didn't give it to him. So I mean, Unknown Speaker you. You didn't Unknown Speaker ask him for an autograph last night. Well, no, he Speaker 3 came over said hi. told me that story and pointed at generally a crowd. I pointed you out to that person. Sure. I don't think they exist him Speaker 2 you could have you had an opportunity to do something funnier. What which is that person doesn't know what Alex looks like. You could have pointed and Alex is here right now. And then be like, go ask for his autograph. And it's just someone I didn't know that person would be like, I asked Alex and Alex was super weird. He was like, shirt. Speaker 3 You had the opportunity. If he actually sent the person over. I was gonna sign his name. Speaker 1 That's good. That's good. Well, I was gonna I was gonna try to bring them to you after the show. But security is trying to kick us out. Yeah. If you're not buying merch you got Yeah, that sounds like I'm trying to find out like, yeah, they want or whatever, get out here. Anyways, so Aaron Barr Aaron, he he started his career in the military, he joined the Navy and was working like naval intelligence. So there's a few tours going on. You're all over the world early 2000s going all over the world doing naval intelligence, recent story finding dolphins and things I don't know, Navy does. The other tracking down dolphin hackers just travels all over the world ends up in the late 2000s 2009 2010 finds himself in a combat scenario, which is not what he bargained for, which is just join the military. After getting that, he was like, he's like, you know, I liked the intelligence side of this. I don't like the like, combat. Yeah. Aereo that getting shot outside of this? Sure. And so he said, I want to get into civilian work. So you can still get shot out there. But it's not as hot as Yeah, it's it's a little more rare, a little Unknown Speaker barely more rarely more rare. Speaker 1 So he quits his job in the military. He calls up one of his contacts who's like a big big money. High Rollers. Guy. Yeah, you know, one of those guys. Unknown Speaker What? Yeah, so he calls his ex girlfriend Unknown Speaker says, Hey, I got an idea is Unknown Speaker I got this financial play, you gotta do it. Speaker 1 And so he says, he says, Here's what I want to do. He says, I've been working for the Navy, should Speaker 2 we sit in charge and say my ex girlfriend's dad's rich. That's pretty Speaker 1 funny. That's pretty funny. So he's like he's accused the play. Alright. I've been working for the Navy for like a decade. And in my time in the Navy. In intelligence, what I did was I would track down high value targets and figure out where these people were located. Yeah. By tracking their online footprint, and be able to figure out who these people are not only who these people were, where they are located, and so the military could get their hands on. Sure. And he says, I think this would be something that we could use as a contract. This is what I do as a party trick. I know he Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Literally. Facebook stalking is like, he's like, Facebook stalking business. It's my favorite like little you're weirdly good at it though. I feel like everybody can Facebook stalk I know. And every everybody's done it. Everybody's Facebook stop. Speaker 2 It's my favorite thing. You sit across from someone and go, you know, what, you know? Is this your grandma's house? That's my favorite thing to do. It's very, it's very spooky. And it's like I'm really good at it Speaker 1 takes him like 10 minutes. Tops. Yeah, well, we'll meet someone new at dinner. And he'll just check out the conversation on his phone and he'll Speaker 2 find people think on social media and I'm bomb sleuth, and Speaker 1 he'll find pictures there first dog that died when they were like 11. And I'm Speaker 2 sorry about freak is a million separate. Okay. Cry at the tape. It's really it was a sad time. But I do it for the thrill. Unknown Speaker As a stranger's your Unknown Speaker ex wife. Sorry about that. Yeah, Unknown Speaker looks like things are going well for your ex wife's Unknown Speaker dad. Speaker 2 Didn't know we weren't married that long. Long enough to get to the meet your family part of marriage, saying Speaker 1 yeah, that's the second week. We didn't make it past week one. Sometimes people don't make it so that you don't make it. Yeah, so his business model is Facebook stalking. And he wanted to sell that to corporations and the government to be like, Yeah, we could track down high value targets. And his investor Buddy was like, great idea. And so I mean, to be fair, it's 2009 2010. So Facebook still young. I think a lot of people hadn't figured out that they could just do this. And it didn't take a lot of like, you don't have to spend 10s of 1000s of dollars to have someone do this for you. Speaker 2 Hey, yes, you do. And you also have to buy our course where we teach you how to do it. You want to find people's grandma's house. Find my grandma's house.com For my five step course. This is it. Listen, now I'm into business. This guy I'm in now right? Find my grandma's house.com Speaker 1 How you spelling grandma's house. Like grandma's house g r a n d m a s okay? Just make it What else would you spell it? Go ahead, GER, I am a grandma. Unknown Speaker If you're stupid, I Unknown Speaker guess I'm buying the domain. Unknown Speaker Is it really free? Is that mean? Is it not? I mean, it's available. Yeah, yeah, it's Unknown Speaker standard price by my Unknown Speaker grandma's house doc. Unknown Speaker Oh, five. Sorry, by grandma's house, Unknown Speaker find my grandma's house.com Unknown Speaker It's on the screen for Speaker 2 my do it like a like a really bad infomercial from, like, 2008 Speaker 1 like, rolling across the screen. Just really invasive, all of Speaker 2 my grandma's house.com right now for a five step plan of how to how to do this, you know, and you can sign up for my course it's $5,000. Unknown Speaker And you learn how to learn. Speaker 2 It is crazy that there's a whole side of tic toc. That's just people selling courses on how to sell courses, Speaker 1 you know, saying yeah, is bonkers, like, every course on selling every single Speaker 2 time someone goes, here's a side hustle is gonna make you $200 an hour. It's like no, it's not. No, they're not making the money doing that. They're selling a course. Speaker 1 Yep. Yep. And that's one of the Do you want an email with this? Was that I'm checking out do you want an Speaker 2 email with this? Fine. Fine, my grandma's house.com? Unknown Speaker Yeah. Do you want to jaren? Unknown Speaker Creeper. Find my grandma's house. Dad, Speaker 1 let me tell you about error bar. I'm going to abandon the cart for a second. We'll come back to this. Speaker 2 If it's purchased by the time when we're done, that's on you. Unknown Speaker Okay, finally. I'm ready. So. Speaker 2 Okay, so he basically is like, All right, we can use this define high value targets. And the idea being that, you know, with this investor, we assemble a team, we go find these high value targets, we turn them into the FBI, we get the reward money. Yes. Okay. I figured it out. Yeah, great. Grandma's address was. Thanks, actually, you know what? Speaker 2 Hey, I wanted to give you a heads up that our Taylan patron hangout is happening on June 29. At 6:30pm. By the time that happens, I'll be a married man. So I'm taking time away from my beautiful wife to come hang out with our $20 patron supporters. So maybe like, you know, be thankful, okay, is what I'm saying. But for real, we're very thankful for our Patreon supporters, because without you the show doesn't happen. So every month we do a hangout for a $20 tier and the next one is on June 29. At 630 Come hang out with Tim and married me, you know, it's gonna be great Speaker 1 so, yeah, so he talks to this guy and he he's pitches the idea to him and the guy's like, Yeah, let's let's go for it. So they find found the company, HP Gary. Okay, so was it technically him? Eg the company's HP Carrie. Oh, the company's HP. Sure. Yeah. And Aaron Aaron bars the CEO Gary is the name of the investor who invested in it. I don't know what HB stands for. Hot boy Speaker 2 it was the trepat boy I don't know what he stands for. First thing you think of Ra is for HB boy Unknown Speaker Okay Unknown Speaker go ahead. Speaker 1 So let's get started trying to sell their services to the government and mega corporations. All Speaker 2 these government's like, Hey, we're doing this like this. This is like our thing. Speaker 1 And they're like, did you learn that from us? Yeah. And so yeah, no one's buying everyone's like, yeah, we're not interested. This is not something that we should pay for. We can do this ourselves. Speaker 2 So he turns on him. He finds personal information about them and then goes I will release this if it says blackmailing people close. Ish hot blackmail. Gary. Speaker 1 Gloves ish. So here's what he did. He was like, he's like, I need to build up a resume. And to show that this is something that we can do and we're good at it. Okay, it's not just like some dude off the street who's like Facebook, stalking your friends? Like finding sure grandma's house. He's fine. Doing grandma's house. Speaker 2 Anyone can find grandma's house. I'm hunting down, grandpa. Unknown Speaker Well, let me go get another domain, hunting grandpa.com Speaker 2 And you know that it's gonna be some old man in Montana, who's like I love I love shooting elk or whatever. But I mean it like I'm hunting. Unknown Speaker Let me get that in the car real quick. Unknown Speaker Is it available hunting? grandpa.com Unknown Speaker And now how is grandpa? Unknown Speaker He's hunting, Speaker 1 hunting grandpa.com All right, yeah, it's available. Make it yours. Here we go. Speaker 2 While we're doing this, please support us on Patreon, I would say good 50% of the support that we receive goes to domains these days. You know, you can support our show on Patreon or you can just go to GoDaddy and give them money either way. Go Daddy's getting it. You know? Unknown Speaker Go to godaddy.com/chillin Unknown Speaker We don't have a sponsorship. But you can try. Speaker 1 You can try it. It'll probably redirect you back comes out in five weeks. We got time. Yeah, we'll call them. Anyways, so Aaron, Aaron says, I need to build a resume. Yeah, I need to start. I'm gonna start sleuthing. Yeah, yeah. And I'm gonna show that I'm capable. Well, I guess you could Speaker 2 do that though. Like if FBI has got targets and they've got rewards out for people. You could? Unknown Speaker Yeah, you could make some money doing Unknown Speaker that. Yeah. Speaker 1 But he wasn't trying to go find bounties he was trying to like, get government contracts. Yeah, for sure. Not like bounty work. Speaker 2 I'm not sure. Yeah. But isn't trying to be like your neighbor. The Bounty Hunter. Two jugs of tea. Unknown Speaker Hey, it was sketchy behavior. Okay, Unknown Speaker one Jugger justice. Unknown Speaker What episode that we talked about was the apartment. Speaker 2 I want to say black Tom explosion, but I'm not sure on that one. Speaker 1 That could be it. I mean, it wasn't the apartment. So that was dog boy. A long time ago, too. Anyways, um, so he's, he's trying to build up his resume. He says he says I need to find some high value name that I can expose. And show that I know how to do this. Okay. Now it's, it's late 2010 At the time, says look it in the media. What's a big name in the media? He says, You know what, Brock Obama, no one knows where he lives. That's a joke. No, he says anonymous, everybody's talking about anonymous. No one knows who they are. No one knows anything about the structure about who's a part of it, where any of them are located. And they were out wreaking havoc doing posting their creepy videos online and stuff. You know, Speaker 2 yeah. What were they doing? You should do an episode on them. Because I don't really know what the deal was. I mean, they were hacking. Are they though? They Yeah, they've been posting Twitter videos and being like, we've hacked this person, you know, Unknown Speaker the videos were probably that was the best part. Speaker 2 I just think about somewhere in a basement. They're filming that, you know, saying like, like, Sure, they're getting crazy information on people that they don't want that out there. Yeah. But then they go, we need to sit down and record a video and they're in a basement and suburban Ohio. We have uncovered a video you know, and your mom's at Unknown Speaker the top of the stairs like a platter. You guys fish Unknown Speaker sticks are ready. And so Speaker 1 I mean, most likely, most likely, that's the scenario. But anyway, so he says he says I need to find out I need to write down anonymous and make them non Anonymous. Speaker 2 Anonymous is not fine an hour this is mom.com Fine, ominous gotta find her. And those fish digs, dude. Speaker 1 So um, it is that's a mom and it's a mom I'm gonna go on Unknown Speaker dude. I'm doing too many tangents Speaker 1 so so he I'm standing in the way he finds their their dark web chat room where they're doing all their engagement is their Slack channel or their nonnamous Discord. And he he's like I'm, I want to enlist. I want to be a part of anonymous and they're like, cool. Welcome to the board. Welcome to the team. What are your skills? And he says, here's all my skills. And they're like, none of them relate to what we're doing here But welcome, I guess. Speaker 2 What are your skills? Oh, yeah, I got a lot. You know how sometimes toasts doesn't come out as dark as you want it? But then other times it comes out like too dark I get it just right Speaker 1 on any toaster, put out any toaster, I can give me. I can touch on a cheap Speaker 2 toaster. One of those little rolly ones that you put it on it was, you know, like a little. I've been saying this Unknown Speaker for years. Yeah. Unknown Speaker Toast. That's that was a lot of my time. Unknown Speaker That was most of my last 10. And I don't want to reveal this to the public but I I did figure out where yields come. I was just the thing. I interested in that. Yeah, I've put it in the toaster and it Unknown Speaker toasted the yield. They told me Speaker 2 to do this carb waterboarding first they liked that part. Yeah, they really? Were they drew the line. I'm a family. I'll tell you where they are. I'll tell you. More importantly, I'll tell you how they came to be. That's what you're after. Okay. Speaker 1 So he joins us and he creates a username. cog, a non cog in a machine. Okay. Coggan on. And he starts like just kind of being a part of the board, not really doing a lot, not really engaging, but just kind of paying attention to all the conversations and what they're doing and things like that. Sure. Over time, he starts to piece together a hierarchy and figure out who are the people that emerge? Yeah, in running the show. And what he begins to do is he goes to Facebook, and he finds everybody on Facebook, that is likes anything that has to do with Anonymous or is reached are sharing things or posting articles or some what seems like they're interested in anonymous in any way. Yeah. And he adds them on Facebook, because this is 2010. This is yeah, when you add a final question. Oh, this is cool. Let's be friends. Unknown Speaker Yeah. A lot of people Speaker 1 I don't know. It's so weird. That was a weird time. So you started reading all these people? And what he would do is he would get on the chat room. Speaker 2 It was like some people would have like 5000 friends. Yeah, that was where it was kept. Speaker 1 And you'd be like, you don't know that many people. And I know this. I've gotten a lot of friends. Yeah. Yeah. But they would he would watch them on the on the chat room. Yeah. And watch the all the conversation. And then when they would sign off, he would go check Facebook and see if anybody signed on. And he would keep checking that. And he said if I got enough data points of here's a person who likes anonymous. And here's a person in anonymous chat room. And if, if it happened enough times, I don't know what the number was. But if have enough time where it was sign off sign on. He's like, that's probably then. What seems kind of clever, but Speaker 2 it also seems like you're sitting in front of two screens all day and just being like, sorry, being like Unknown Speaker Alex, oh, Speaker 2 that was a call back to a joke I made maybe, maybe 15. And Unknown Speaker you didn't call it because you said are you the guy that goes are you the guy he goes? Uh huh. There you Speaker 2 you were you were doing this one. So you know what? One of us pays our bills with like comedy and stuff. And the other one gets stupid tattoos. So Unknown Speaker are you talking about right? Yeah. Unknown Speaker You can't you can't say that. She listens to this. Are you wanting to cut it out? Or will she be my wife by the time this comes out? I Speaker 1 don't know. I think we might be there might be there. Alright, so well. We'll see if she calls it. I think we know your first marriage. And it's not bad. That's a good that's a good first one, you know? Speaker 2 Yeah. I imagine our first marriage fight will be the day after the wedding. And she sets six alarms and I go no, that's over now. And she'll go well, why don't I go because I'm the spiritual leader of this Unknown Speaker was one alarm in this house? I Speaker 1 chose not to wake up but she sets an alarm to reminder of everything throughout our day, dude. So like all day is just an alarm going Speaker 2 Reagan's morning routine is to sleep through four alarms, not sleep through show wake up, turn them off. Yeah, whatever. I Guess. And then she's got them set every five minutes to show that she knows where she's at. Yeah. Speaker 1 And the different alarm tones. Yeah, like each one. It's like, oh, yeah, it's that one that I need to really get. Speaker 2 That's when she's no no, because like, this is like during her like, you know, morning face routine and stuff. And then she the way this is how she explains it is that she's like, well, now I know when this one goes off. I've got like, 15 minutes left, and I go that sounds like torture to me. Yeah, that does. Speaker 1 I agree with that. Just get up. Yeah, just yeah, just like, oh, Speaker 2 so my, my solution is I just had to be I used to be awake before every day on every day, Unknown Speaker I have to leave before she would have to get out Speaker 2 of bed. When I did, my solution is I'll stay. We'll see how we'll see how that goes. You know, that's where I imagine our first fight is going Speaker 1 to be I'm looking forward to it. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Speaking of future episodes, we have a ton of past episodes. We have a back catalogue of well over 100 episodes. So check those out. My current favorite is Nelly Bly. She was a journalist from the early 1900s, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy. Some of the things that she did. We had a lot of fun on that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately, just thanks for being here. Speaker 1 All right, so Gary, they, Speaker 2 he he's done this obviously he's got his two screens. Yeah. That's a lot of work of just moderately, like, just, yeah, snacking, and just watching. Yep. Status. Its intelligence work right there. Speaker 1 That's not but okay. And so he's he's taking notes. And he gets to a point after a few months of this where he's now figured out it not only the hierarchy of anonymous, but the identity identities of a lot of people who are involved in anonymous by using this method. Speaker 2 It feels like they wouldn't be that sloppy, though. But, sure. Unknown Speaker So it is 2010. Speaker 1 So he, he's got this figured out. So he writes a white paper and submits it to this conference, this like cybersecurity conference. And he's like, I want to be a guest speaker. And they're like, Wow, this is cool. Okay, yeah, come on. And he's like, he's like, he's like, I figured out who Anonymous is, and talks about his methodology, and then reveals everybody, and then post conference, Unknown Speaker this conference. And the conference leaders are just like, somebody shoot that guy. Unknown Speaker The compensators are anonymous. None of them on the screen. And they're just like. Speaker 1 So he finishes this conference, and he uploads that white paper online, logs in as Coggan on and posted it in the chat. And it's like, Have you guys seen this, like acting like, he's not him? Speaker 2 Actually, like, they've done it to him. And they're, like, cut the crap, Aaron. And you're like, Speaker 1 yeah, so he posts that and it's like, a people interacted with it whenever it wasn't like a crazy thing. Sure. And he, immediately later that day, starts getting emails from all these corporations from the FBI. And everyone's like, hey, let's have a meeting on Monday. This was a Friday the conference, and he starts getting all these email these meetings scheduled with all these big players that he's targeting. Otter day. And so he's like, hey, it worked. Speaker 2 And they're like, hey, the FBI is like, so we're anonymous. So just so we're clear, just so you know. Yeah. Just so you understand here, and we're gonna kill you now. Speaker 1 You are. You don't you know that thing you do about toast? We're gonna have you do that to yourself. Golden brown, but enough to be dead. So he, he, he goes into the weekend yelling, okay. On Monday. Yeah, he's like I got means the FBI got me. There's all these big banks and corporations that I've been trying to get meetings with Sure. He's like the businesses. Speaker 2 Fargo here we go baby. I got the FBI. One. I got Wells Fargo it to you know, pretty stacked Unknown Speaker day and I got Toys R Us at Speaker 2 Circuit City for 2010. They're still around. You know, Unknown Speaker companies are the companies that are about to collapse. Unknown Speaker This VBS is like let's do this thing. So he, Elizabeth Holmes is there somehow. Speaker 1 So he's got these meetings scheduled. He goes on the weekend now knowing I just targeted anonymous and so they're probably are gonna clap back try Unknown Speaker to fight. Yeah. So he moves. Speaker 1 So he's like increases as his internet security at home. He changes all his passwords, right? Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, start using Duck Duck go or whatever that browser is. He logs Speaker 1 into a VPN watching Netflix in Spain or something like that. He's like, That's a cool side effect of this. Unknown Speaker Yeah, this security guy Netflix before everyone else. Is a cool side effect. Speaker 1 Crazy, man. Yeah, there let's internet. Netflix was out in 2010. Right? Speaker 2 Streaming? No, surely it's 2011. No way, Speaker 1 because he was like, Colin, by the time we got to college and college was 2012. Speaker 2 I don't think it was that common by the time we got to college. But yeah, Speaker 1 interesting. Anyways, so he, he's watching, he's watching the situation pretty closely. Sure is a Super Bowl weekend. So on Super Bowl Sunday, he wakes up in the morning, or what year 2011? Oh, maybe isn't Netflix. So it's Super Bowl Sunday. He's paying close attention to everything that's going on with the Super Bowl and also with his internet security. And he logs on to cog to the cockpit on an account. And he's got a message from one of the people he thought was the anonymous leaders. And the guy's like, Hey, are you open for some work? And he was like, depends what kind of work he's like. It's out in Washington, DC. And he's like, he's like, okay. He's like, what's the job? And he's like, Well, there's this cybersecurity company that's been meddling in our affairs. Could you help us out and take him down for us? And he was like, what's the company? Because his company is based in DC. Hot boy, Gary. Boy. It was a competitor. And so he's like, Oh, he's so he is he's like, okay, cool. They don't know. Like, they're not. They're not on me. And then he's like, he's like, sure. Yeah, he's like, to me over the details. That guy sends him all the details. And he's like, he's okay. Also, by the way, the guy from Anonymous is like, hey, check your Twitter. Unknown Speaker And that's a power move, dude. Speaker 1 It's patrons log into Twitter. And he's locked out of his Twitter. Yeah, so it gets on his computer. And Google's itself, finds his Twitter. And on his Twitter, the last tweet was just his social security number. Unknown Speaker As a good time, Speaker 1 and so he goes, and all of his accounts, his email, his social, his World of Warcraft, he's locked out of all his passwords, of course, you Speaker 2 I hate you threw that in there. His World of Warcraft, probably the most devastating loss, honestly. Speaker 1 And so hopefully, wow. What am I gonna do? And so Speaker 2 that's a power move. I do like that. That is very much like the me turning the laptop around to reveal your grandma's house. It's the same in my mind as someone using your Twitter account to tweet your social security number. You know, it's not the same level at all. Yeah, but it feels like it. That's it's such a good moment. I love that. I love that for them. Speaker 1 He goes, he jumps on HB Garry's website and is changed literally just a message that says HB carry has been owned. And then he jumps back to the chat and jumps on the chat. And he's like, he's like, Hey, do you guys know what's going on with hp? Gary? And the guys like, yeah, that's that's the that's the company we are, we know who you are Aaron. And, and then he notices that his router is blinkin. And so they're on his local network. And his iPad gets wiped, his computer gets wiped literally all of his devices, all of his accounts got hacked. They leak all of his emails up online. So they do all your posts that they do with their video, Rick Speaker 2 dude, if my emails got like, likely oh my gosh, man. It's just all the Stitch Fix newsletters Unknown Speaker stylish, Speaker 2 he opens all of them. He opens every 100% open rate. Speaker 1 So he he they leak all of his emails. And all these companies that have had meetings scheduled with him are like oh, man, maybe not then actually this seems like you're not very Speaker 2 good at this here. But was the was the identities that he said were anonymous. Were those legitimate? Speaker 1 No. Yeah, they they in their video they posted the list of the people that he said they were in there like that's not not a single one of them is us. And also there is no hierarchy we have no yeah, that's none of this. None of these. You didn't get us. You didn't get a single one of us lol and they said there's not a laugh out Unknown Speaker loud. It's to Speaker 1 a point. Yeah. Yeah. And so they And they said, there's no hierarchy and anonymous. Like if he outlined this flowchart of leadership, he's like, we don't have a leadership hierarchy. We're just a community of hackers. That's just like, someone's like, hey, there's the thing I want to do. And everyone's like, cool. Let's hack him. Unknown Speaker Back. Yeah, dude. Unknown Speaker And obviously, this was also Speaker 2 the era of time where like, hackers were like, the coolest character in every movie. Speaker 1 Yeah, they had the hoodie. Yeah, yeah, the vigilante ism thing. Yeah, Speaker 2 you did a little bit of a hacker thing. For kids Speaker 1 that are on Patreon. Yeah. Put that on our Patreon, for sure. And then kids got scared. Yeah, we had to change it and change the pitch of the voice. Yeah. Because it was Speaker 2 like Christmas has been it was really bad. Tim was like kids are loved. Speaker 1 The kids did love her. She did love it. I mean, that the ones that were scared. Unknown Speaker They loved it. I mean, most of them. Yeah. Some of them love some nerd 10 of my freakin little torps. Speaker 1 Yeah, the kids who liked it actually weren't an anonymous. And so they were like, Speaker 2 hey, my youth group didn't have a hierarchy, though. All right. No hierarchy. So Speaker 1 obviously, this was detrimental for Aaron. Sure, all of his information was leaked. And then his business wasn't going to work anymore. Because now everyone knows he's bad at security. And also didn't do what He said He was going to do, like didn't actually identify anyone. And then everybody started to realize too, oh, your methodology was just did they sign off here? And did they sign on here? Yeah, it's like that. That's the dental like you have, there's no real good reason to link those like, sure. Maybe if you have millions of times, but it's like, you got to, I got to substantiate that. Probably more than just that link to be like, That guy's hacking people as a big claim, right? He's not hacking anybody? Yeah, he's just yeah, he's just getting on Facebook. So I learned a lot of how Unknown Speaker does one hack Unknown Speaker I mean, there's a lot of ways that I can let's do alright. Unknown Speaker Pack my grandma's house. Speaker 1 But anyway, so HP, Gary ended up getting sold. They sold the company for pennies on the dollar, because they didn't never did anything. Except for Speaker 2 if you buy space to medium for the right price. But the wrong price. I'll sell it to you Unknown Speaker at the wrong price, but you got Unknown Speaker to got it you got it really sucks. I'm taking a huge loss. Speaker 1 But this was an important lesson to anybody who decided they wanted to take on anonymous that you got to get to because we don't know anything. Other than that. No, we don't. I could do an episode on I can do some research and do a full episode honest on anonymous, but this was Unknown Speaker one of their more do one on a mom and Speaker 1 a mom and then and see him into money. Yeah, so they figured out some stuff about Aaron they hacked AWS accounts and destroyed his business. Speaker 2 Can you do me a favor? Go ahead and put up a picture of Aaron bar on the screen because I just found a picture of him. And he looks like he would get taken advantage of by a group on the discord you know, saying like he if you had to guess a man this man. This man plays World of Warcraft and gets owned by a chat. He Speaker 1 had a good system didn't they? Don't you think? Speaker 2 He looks Yeah, he is. Yeah. exact picture I was looking up to Yeah, he Unknown Speaker was very good at it. So Speaker 2 this is a recently divorced man to the church directory. You know, saying like that. You see like, the logo was smaller there where he's just like, he's like I'm in the single's ministry. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, he's volunteering in the right area that Speaker 2 you know Yeah, cuz that's a smaller that's not his idol. is one of the Yeah, one of his eyes ain't bigger than the other one. Speaker 1 Yeah, he's doing that on purpose. He's Yeah. Yeah, so they got him they got him they're still out there they're still doing their thing. Nobody's tracked them down and they ruin this guy's life so well his Unknown Speaker grandma lives two to three Speaker 1 don't hit don't fall off yet. I got something else important to say You idiot. No, I do have something important to say what here's the thing Unknown Speaker you were engaged in the episode voice Speaker 1 we Gary was getting this. He Gary had a decent idea. But targeting Anonymous was not the way to go. Because Anonymous is sophisticated. Anonymous is not the kind of group where people that are a part of anonymous go like anonymous on Facebook. Yeah, like they're smarter than you can't be Speaker 2 a long john Silver's person and attacker Red Lobster person can do that. Speaker 1 Here's the thing though, if he would have attacked attacks on less sophisticated Did hackers this strategy might have worked for him? And he might have had a business? Yeah. So he shot went way too big. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so I want to I wanted to take a second to highlight someone that he probably should have targeted. Okay, but that'll be in next week's episode Speaker 1 things other than last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by ours Garnett video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah and Tim stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at Taillon podcast is Ti LL and podcast. 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Black Sam Bellamy – The Treasure of The Whydah Galley

05-23-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's going on? Unknown Speaker Have you heard of Samuel Bellamy? Speaker 1 Bellamy? Yes. Really? Samuel Bellamy Why do I know this name? Say it again, Samuel. No, that's three times and I mean he's gonna appear Unknown Speaker here. I want to do something we've never tried before. Unknown Speaker I don't wouldn't like whatever you're going to do. Go ahead. I thought it'd be fun Nice. Yeah, I know. That's why it's gonna suck. Unknown Speaker That'd be fun if we let a robot do our intro. Speaker 2 So I asked chatty btw to write an intro for this. I haven't read this. But here's what it gave me Speaker 3 Horry me Hardee's. Welcome to our podcast on black Sam Bellamy Did you Speaker 1 did you ask him to write an intro for the podcast as if I work at a pirate themed restaurant? What are you talking about? Speaker 2 He literally said to the podcast about black Sam Bellamy, and this is what I got. Alright, ready let me finish. Speaker 3 legendary pirate who made waves in the 18th century. In this episode, we'll be exploring the life and times of black Sam, also known as the Robin Hood of the sea and his infamous raid on the wider galley one of the largest slave ships of his time so grab your pirate hat and let's set sail oh Speaker 1 oh no you can see my girlfriend she's a ghost quit making that noise in the microphone I swear if you do it again but I'll call the principal people died 10 throw up Unknown Speaker a died two years ago Speaker 1 they're ghosts can hear this kids kill little stuff with bucket knives serial Unknown Speaker killers DO NOT normal kids. Sorry Unknown Speaker things I learned last night Unknown Speaker here's here's my resume. Unknown Speaker Hoping right now let Unknown Speaker me tell you what I was hoping. This is my dream mine. Unknown Speaker I have a dream right now. That Unknown Speaker that there's somebody somewhere Speaker 1 on the other side of chat GBT who reads your inputs and goes okay. Oh holy Metis Speaker 2 didn't even say means you said sent me hearties which was weird to me. It was my dream. Speaker 4 Here's what I'm here's what I'm hoping I hope there's some someone and I don't know, Columbus, Ohio, on their morning commute. Speaker 5 It's a beautiful day there. Toyota Tacoma. Their names like Daniel, windows are rolled down there. Listen to this podcast. Just enjoy a red light. Yeah, next to them. Just listen to Unknown Speaker him. And like they're, you know, someone next to you. Like it's a red light. Well, it turns down a little bit and they just, you know. Oh, boy. Metis All right. Yeah, Unknown Speaker I also make sure your ex girlfriend's dad Unknown Speaker he's listening to it. He's watching the other room looking at some q&a and stuff she hears Oh, she goes are you watching? SpongeBob again? So weird. Unknown Speaker I'm running my peloton. Get out Unknown Speaker Oh, okay, so I need a name sound familiar? He's a pirate. Unknown Speaker Yeah, we've never covered a pirate on this show. Speaker 1 Yeah, we did. Name one principalities. Principality of Sealand Speaker 4 that's not a pirate we that's that's different. That's a modern pirate. Okay. Pirates and past pirates are two totally super modern pirates and past pirates are two totally different things. Speaker 1 The pirates were talking about past pirates. This is a Palestine what's what's the what's the BC ad here? A pre post? What's Speaker 4 I'm gonna say like a defining 1820s at 20 That's where the shift is anything pre 1820 Because that was a different era. Unknown Speaker That's pre 1820 Speaker 4 Yeah, if you're pre 1820 You still got the wooden pirate ship with the sail and your sword and your Unknown Speaker girls to you. Hmm, what are the eras to you? Is it depending on what we're talking about? Speaker 4 Yeah, there's pirates. And then there's pirates, you know, like the amount of pirates or they're riding around in their, their inflatable boats with their engines. And engine you can't be a part Start with an engine. Okay. I don't know. But that's not this. This is Samuel Bellamy Yeah, it's black Sam, one of the one of the greatest Pirates of all time, one of the wealthiest Pirates of all time. And this is a story on a pull up chat GPT script. Speaker 1 So he's pre 1820 At least. Speaker 4 Yeah, so yeah, so he was born in 1717. And at a really young age, he joined the Royal Navy. He was born in England. And he served in the Royal Navy, and was a part of a couple of battles. An important part of his life. I mean, I guess somewhat important, you know, he learned about boats, I guess. And then he say, he after after getting out of the Navy, he sailed to Cape Cod in 1715. Um, to seek out some of his relatives is similar. Someone got him like ancestry.com before.com you had to actually go it was ancestry boat. Unknown Speaker Okay, so you had to go to Cape Cod, to try to track down some of Speaker 4 his relatives. And we know he spent a decent bit of time there. But we there's there's some details that are foggy. The legend says he met a woman named goodie Hallett and they fell in love. And her father was like a local wealthy businessman. But he would not let her Mary Samuel because he didn't have enough money to provide for her. Okay, and so Unknown Speaker so this is a real Santa music situation, right. Unknown Speaker So he Samuel Speaker 1 shows up, and he's just the little soldier boy, right? Yeah. Daughter, the Von Trapp family says no. Well, actually, you know, and so then they're out there dancing in the garden. Yeah, you smell 1317? Yeah, this is all little we hear Unknown Speaker Bri. Bri threatens me often. To like, get me to watch that movie. Speaker 1 She threatens you with the sound of music. What do you what do you mean? So if you I swear if you don't put your phone away right now, I'm gonna make you watch The Sound of music. Yeah. And that works for you. Not watching this movie is a motivation for you. Unknown Speaker It really is. Okay. I've watched a little bit of it and it was hard. Musical guy. Unknown Speaker I'm not a music musicals, musicals. Speaker 1 I love musicals. They hurt me. I love I mean, make a dune on Apple TV. If you watch me make a dune tweet about this today. Oh my gosh, man. What a phenomenal Do you like music theater? Unknown Speaker Some but not a whole lot of it. Okay, well then. Unknown Speaker Don't want it. That's what you were listening to. And when I walked into that, oh, Unknown Speaker Disneyland soundtrack It was what they Speaker 1 didn't look up the Disneyland's like I wasn't like sounds of Disney. You know? It wasn't a Harry James Unknown Speaker Repetier nobody knows what Harry James is. Yeah, cuz I'm a hipster. I'm cool. Unknown Speaker Oh my god. I Unknown Speaker have his records at my house. I don't believe you. Okay, I'll show you prove it. Speaker 4 So, so you met this girl goodie. And is that her dad was like, No, you can't. Yeah, he Speaker 1 very classic. Yeah. Love Story trope. The rich father says you're not good enough for my daughter. Yeah, yeah, they met and he goes I'll show you. His house. Speaker 4 Handshake was former firm enough. But then he asked he asked him and he's like, how much time do you have for my daughter? And he's in the world Speaker 1 know any guy in his 20s he can't have any free time. And that means he's not working hard enough. Unknown Speaker In here's where the story gets interesting. Unknown Speaker What do you eat for breakfast this morning kid Unknown Speaker you sugars in your diet Unknown Speaker don't let that boy around my dog Unknown Speaker is a couple of couple of interesting things happened with the story here. Speaker 4 For some reason, so we're pretty sure they run away together that the woman he met her name was Goody Hallett we're pretty sure. Okay, there is a biography that came out in 1934. That called her Mary or Maria. And so there's now accounts that color. Maria, Maria, Mariah, Mary or goodie. And so we're not sure who she is. One of those names has been attributed to the witch of Wellfleet. Okay, which was a woman in Cape Cod, who got accused of killing a baby, but she did it. Unknown Speaker They were like you're a witch. It was the time when witches were like a Unknown Speaker thing. Yeah, they're like you're a witch. And so then Speaker 1 what is a rough couple centuries for just women in general? Yeah, Speaker 4 that's true. Yeah. Yeah. And so she, she, it was as the story goes, they kidnapped her and then they tortured her for a long time, and then eventually killed her. And then her ghost haunts the seven season kills all the the men who are out there trying to stop witches. Okay, and so that might be Samuels lover. Maybe okay, we're not sure. But anyways, when she Unknown Speaker was a person or a ghost Unknown Speaker he would eat sale out to the sea. Speaker 1 Oh, no, you can't see my girlfriend. She's a ghost. It's not even she goes a different school. She's on a different a different plane. Unknown Speaker You want to be on this year? Speaker 1 plane. So yeah, it's like a whole thing. No, she's real though. Unknown Speaker He every night like while they're pirates. Unknown Speaker Believe in my girlfriend. This is yours. Speaker 2 They're all pirates. He's got his crew and he makes his pilot's pirate crew drive out to the certain latitude. And he's like, Alright, everybody go to your quarters. And that everybody goes into the deck. And then they just hear him. He's on the on the deck. And he's like Speaker 1 he's really sad the next day. Like what's going on? He's like, I think she's ghosting me Unknown Speaker was right there the whole time? It's such a dumb joke. Speaker 2 That so much anyways, would you Speaker 4 so, so the relationships get blocked by the father because he didn't have enough money. So he says, so he says, Fine, I'll go I'll go start a career. Unknown Speaker So He robs him of money now. I will pirate Speaker 4 news is I'll go off and they'll start a career. I'll make a name for myself. I'll make enough money. And then I'll come back and marry your daughter. And he said lol I'd like to see you try. Speaker 2 And so word for word. He goes off he because it was a stand up comedian that goes primarily to churches as a podcast, Unknown Speaker another time Unknown Speaker I know he got a job as a treasure hunter. Gotta use Speaker 1 a breast though. To be honest. He pulled it off. Do you have any exes that you're like, I kind of hope the parents, you know, keep up with what I'm doing. And they go could have been. You know? Speaker 2 I don't really want anyone to keep up with what I'm doing. That's weird. Okay, but Speaker 1 I want everyone who's ever been in my life has left my life to regret that decision. You know, saying like, I want Why did I leave? Lee I should have kept up with that friendship. Yeah, you know, yeah, I should have bought him a better birthday gift Unknown Speaker Why don't get them away on Speaker 4 a Thursday, June 29. At 630 we are doing a another patron hangout. These are super fun opportunities for us to just hang out on a zoom call with our patrons get to know you a little bit better find out what's going on in your life. And it's and have a lot of fun. Sometimes you might have seen some of these clips. They are absolutely wild. You guys do some crazy stuff in these videos like pull ups or eat pizza. It's bonkers. And we'd love to have you on there. Thursday, June 29 630 text toe into 66866 to become a patron and join us Unknown Speaker Yeah, man, Unknown Speaker I used to know the President. I got him away it didn't work. I Unknown Speaker hated it. Speaker 1 I would never be president Yeah, I bet of the vice president though. We got nothing for oh, I don't know if you'd have you seen what Kamala is doing these days. It's not that she's just lounging around hanging out you see the Unknown Speaker video of her March Madness. Unknown Speaker i Oh, it's my it's the thing that I can use it as Speaker 1 crazy as her walk into her bus. You know, say oh my favorite study with Joe when Joey B was vice president just eating ice cream everywhere all the time. her alma mater. You could tell me one thing Mike Pence did in the last four years tell me where he was. And no idea not a clue. Speaker 4 No her alma mater I don't know I think it was the Elite Eight round they lost Unknown Speaker Yeah, we both that's good. Go ahead. Unknown Speaker Whatever shutter stupid Unknown Speaker it doesn't matter. Unknown Speaker For alma mater Speaker 1 What's that tow truck in in cars Unknown Speaker matter? Go ahead. Speaker 4 Wasn't I think the The eighth, and they lost in the Elite Eight and she's, like 20. And so she was there. And for some reason, they were like, Hey, let's have the vice president come down to the locker room and say something. And so she come in, she has, Unknown Speaker I don't know a lot about losing. Unknown Speaker She came in, she walks through the locker room doors, and she's clapping and she's like, Unknown Speaker You guys did so. Good. You were so good out there. I am. So Speaker 1 like, shout, she was like, she's like, Yeah, like before the game they like your other locker room afterwards. And she's and she was like, Yeah, of course. And thinking of course, if they lose, they won't make me do this. And then they lose and she goes, Oh, I you still want me to still want Speaker 5 me to go in there and get Yeah, yeah, I'll Unknown Speaker go I'll go. I'll go I wrote a speech. I say that still? Speaker 1 Guys, I really only prepared for you guys to win. So I had Chad GBT right Unknown Speaker we better fact let me just Unknown Speaker be like us we used to the losing team Unknown Speaker Kamala Harris Speaker 2 to the losing team. A basketball game was it the men's or girls team? It was the men's team even worse it feels like Unknown Speaker during March Madness nearly date that make your chocolate Speaker 1 I'm saying if your vice president you could do whatever you want. Can I read it to you? You can't Can't let me read it. Can you just put it on the screen? Put it on the screen let me read it. I'll read it out loud and not you try to survive Speaker 1 Oh no. Here we go. Oh boy, he made his of the losing team. It be Kamala Harris speaking to you. I know you'd be feeling quite down in the dumps after that game. You fought hard. But alas, the ball did not bounce in your favor. Tease to Bella, let me tell you. The most important thing be that you gave it your all. You left it all the court. And that be what matters most. It takes a whole crew to make a team and you all played your part. You can hold your heads high and be proud of what you've accomplished. Now, I be not a basketball expert, but I know a thing or two about adversity. As a woman of color and politics, I faced my fair share of challenges. But I never let that stop me from pursuing my goals and dreams and neither should he. He may have lost the game but you have not lost your spirit or determination. So I encourage you to take this defeat and use it as motivation to come back even stronger next season. Keep practicing hard working together never get people dreams. You never know what you might achieve with a bit of hard work. Perseverance. Thank you for playing your hearts out and keep sailing towards your dreams oh there's a whole lot of lion hole and pull it back up. I know you lost but please don't storm the building that's all there Speaker 2 it's there that's part of it. That's part of what she said. Speaker 1 Like a fire I hate that it's like but I the hard pivot of as a woman of color and politics. I know a thing about it versity Chad GBT is so pandering what's hot what's what's crazy about AI is that this episode is not going to come out to like may right? It's gonna be archaic. And this was a jet chat GBT will not be a thing by May I just love the I mean there's so many days before May I love saying there's like 60 days before May Speaker 2 that just that intro just only made easy losing team in big calm layers speaking. Speaker 1 I do like that. She has to say that to you know when she walks because I mean like they lost so we're seniors bro. This was their chance you know? And she's like, me all murmur ah dear. Oh holy mates. it be me, oh my Kamala if they want you is it gonna go in and be like, wait? You know, I was gonna hold her whole speech. She said, Yeah, I wrote a speech for if they want and you look at it and go, you did it. You did it, Joseph. Speaker 4 Oh my gosh. Okay. So Samuel went off, and he's like, he's like, I'm gonna make some money. Sure. And I'm gonna win the heart of goodie, or Mariah or Maria or Mary. And so he's like, I'll be a treasure hunter. And so he joins the Spanish treasure fleet, which was the thing apparently. Do you get to do that? Yeah. And this was this was a genuine Korea at the time, because at the time, there was a lot of treasure. Well, at the time, what was happening was, there was a lot of ships that were traveling across the Pacific Ocean got sick, and they would sink and they had tons of gold on them, because that was money. And they didn't have like a banking system. So you just had to go find sunken ships. Yeah. And so there was there was a genuine job where they would go around and they would look for sunken ships, and then they would try to scoop up gold because it's still a job. I mean, we're not spilling as much gold in the ocean anymore. So Unknown Speaker there's definitely some undiscovered ships, right. Speaker 4 I mean, there's still like Nick cages of the world that are out there looking for treasure, but I don't think it's like a okay, I guess you could get a grant from like a museum if you tried hard enough. Speaker 1 I'm gonna say it for some scuba gear, and a voyage to the deep, deep sea. I mean, what is there someone still stuck down there in an air pocket? Unknown Speaker It's been three days, hasn't it? Uh, something like that. Yeah, Unknown Speaker three days for me. Unknown Speaker It's been three days for me since this conversation started. Speaker 2 I gotta believe how much I just got done. efficiencies are. Speaker 1 So okay, so he's becoming a treasure hunter. Speaker 4 He becomes a treasure hunter. And he does this job for like a year or two. And then while he's treasure hunting, he realizes Wait a second. I'm out here. And I'm picking up a bunch of gold. And Unknown Speaker she's at home. She could just follow somebody else. Speaker 4 Well, what he's saying is he says I'm picking up all this gold. There's so much gold down here. And I'm just giving it back to the people who lost it. Oh, yeah, that's dumb. Finders keepers for sure. He's like, this should be mine. This is Bella mine. And so so he says, I he's like a thief now and he's looking around all the other like crew members. And there was a there's another guy on on his team who his name was was weighing again. Okay, but they like abbreviated his name like because he gains a lot a long name to shout out across the ship while you're looking for treasure again. And so he one day he's out there picking up a treasure. And he he's having this epiphany Speaker 5 and he's like, Oh, yo, yo, a pirate's Unknown Speaker life for me Unknown Speaker that's where it came from. Unknown Speaker So you can furnish the pirate ism Unknown Speaker Okay, ecommerce, the Speaker 4 buyer does a and he finds a couple pirates. Benjamin Hornet gold was the captain of a ship called the Maryam. His first man Edward Teach who Edward Teach would eventually take the name Blackbeard, which is a Speaker 1 black beard, which I'm gonna be honest with you is the more infamous pirate. Speaker 4 Here's here's an interesting thing. I found out while researching these. I thought most of these pirates were made up. Oh, the returns on most of them are real. Yeah, I thought they were like Pirates of the Caribbean. Like they didn't meet up and we're like just fun names for our pirate. Oh, sure. Sure, sure. But not Blackbeard was a real pirate or it was a real pirate. Yeah. Squash is real too. Unknown Speaker And so he joins you watch Speaker 1 that HBO show? The this flag means or our flag means death? No, no, it was centered around black beard. Oh, maybe. It was it was a Speaker 4 funny show. That's why That's why I never watched it because you've told me about it like that. You were like it was Speaker 1 just I finished it. I was like, it's pretty good. You know, interesting. It takes a turn near the end that I was like, That's unexpected, but good. Speaker 4 Interesting. 117 15 he joined the ship and becomes a crew member of the pirates. And in 1716 The crew they said a coup because The captain of the ship, Benjamin Hornet gold. He was of English descent, like most of them, but he was loyal to England. And so he wouldn't raid in the English ships. And then everyone was like, we're pirate want Unknown Speaker to? Yeah, we should write them. Unknown Speaker He's like, No, we're gonna kill you then Speaker 4 he's accused me, but I'm a patriot. And they were like, Yeah, we're gonna take over the ship. And so he he was just like, alright, well, you guys can pirate without me. I guess I'll take a boat back to shore. And he just left. I think he was hard. Because they're like, oh, oh, like, is this really? Like, is that big of a deal to you guys that like, that's cool. Rather do all this without me. Well, I mean, I won't. Okay, I Speaker 5 heard. Yeah, there's I mean, I could go fire. There's other boats. Like I've had. I could cry. Unknown Speaker I guess I'll go get a job at a church somewhere. Yeah, there's a couple of years. I'll be back. Yeah. And Speaker 4 I'll come Yeah, just Yeah. All right. I'll see guys. Later, I guess. So they voted for a new captain. And they voted for Bellamy Oh, who was pretty fresh. Yeah, they voted democracy in that boat. Yeah, that's where democracy came from democracy came from pirates. It makes sense. And so they voted for him. And he became the captain. And then things got crazy really fast. And so he said, he was a passionate man. He was all in it for the money to get this woman. Yeah. But he was also realizing pretty quickly that he hated the establishment. Sure. And he hated that there was all these super rich people making a lot of money off of a bunch of other people. Yeah. And they're not really doing anything. Yeah. And so he he was pirating, but he was pirating different than the rest of the pirates, right? He's only taking from the rich. Well, I mean, all pirates were only taking from the rich, because if you had a boat back then yeah, you were pretty dang rich. And so all pirates were exclusively stealing from the rich. But what he was doing was a couple of things. One, he was trying very hard, whenever possible to not kill anybody. And so they would take over the ship. And he'd be like, Hey, it's me. I'm the good pirate. You guys are all fine. I'm not gonna hurt you. But give us your boat and everything in it. And you can swim. Speaker 2 Or the middle of the Pacific. It goes out that far. You're not gonna die. It's just me. Unknown Speaker He killed him. He doesn't want to watch it. It just didn't Unknown Speaker kill him. Unknown Speaker You know? Yeah. Yeah, no, no, he Speaker 4 let him come on board. And he took them back to shore. It dropped them off. And he's like, by he's like our college YouTuber. Yeah, that'll be here any minute. Good luck to you. By all right, Speaker 1 I just the nicest robbery I've ever like I I kind of want to give you the boat. Okay, Speaker 4 and then he and then he's like, fairly distributed the winnings with the pirates. Most pirates were like, Yeah, god, did I get my stuff? But yeah, he was fair with it. And then he would, he would he would sometimes donate the stuff that he got to two different 513 Okay. But he Speaker 1 quit making the noise in the microphone. I swear if you do that again, but I'll call the principal. It's where you go. Yeah, it's gross. Speaker 5 I don't even know what you're talking about. Okay, I'll tell you I've done that at all. Because you did it Speaker 1 in unison with me. So it seems like you know exactly what I'm talking about. So you can't play that card I don't know why you did it with me Unknown Speaker just I just couldn't make any sound I guarantee you I can make it easy to sit with you so pick us out all right here we go. Move on Unknown Speaker All right. See I can review that well Unknown Speaker it's crazy anyways Speaker 4 so he in the crib, they start taking over the chips. Speaker 1 Reagan hissed at our cats last night sorry. Sorry to interrupt you real bad. You doing that reminds me then Reagan is but like not in a jokey Unknown Speaker way did they started but the his first. Speaker 1 They're like they're there isn't that each other? They were trying to introduce them all. So now her cats are staying in my apartment because she's your work. rhyming word for cats. By the time you read this, we're only the time you read this by the time you listen to this, you're only weeks away from you know, just ending it. It's like, like it's over. I hope so. Now, I mean, so we've been trying to introduce our cats to each other, because we're all gonna live in the same place. Yeah. And so they're, you know, they're just like, hissing at themselves, basically. Yeah, I'm I got scared by the phone charger today. Yeah, I was trying to take my nap. I'm a grown man. Yeah. And he saw that he saw the phone charger. You know. But she the other day one of the cans hissed. And she just went, like right back at it and wasn't joking. We were like, we were talking. We were having a conversation. And she's. And I was like, I don't know what that was. She was I don't know, either. Where were you looking up over there. Unknown Speaker I was looking up some reminders that I set up that I didn't get. Unknown Speaker Oh, sorry. Unknown Speaker Put that. Put that away right now. Speaker 1 You were sending me a message on Instagram. Did you send that to me right now? Speaker 2 No. Yeah, it's a real I was watching while you're talking you? Know, are you doing what your parents wanted you to do? My dad wanted me to be a cop. School teacher. Speaker 4 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Speaking of future episodes, we have a ton of past episodes. We have a back catalogue of well over 100 episodes. So check those out. My current favorite is Nelly Bly. She was a journalist from the early 1900s, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy. Some of the things that she did. We had a lot of fun on that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately, just thanks for being here. Speaker 1 Okay, so yeah, we already checked my phone to go ahead with the episode. So you're doing right now you're pirating my time. I have other stuff to do. Speaker 4 Okay, deal. So Bellamy. They were they were taking ship after ship after ship. Yeah. And they were rolling up and they were just like, hey, we're pirates. So that's ours now, but we're not going to hurt you. Like you just get on our ship. And we'll send a couple guys over two years more ship, or you're not gonna hurt us. Yeah, then no. What do you mean? Speaker 2 threat here and Sayville was like was like, Well, you're not getting it. Like I'm on like a nice pirate. Like, like, I'm Speaker 4 like, I'm gonna take it but like, I'm gonna be nice about it, like, you know, like, and so if you could just respect like, I'm respecting you if you're taking it. Like, I'm showing you some respect. And so I would just ask you to show me some respect back and give me your boat and everything. Unknown Speaker But I'm keeping the gas stove go and take it. So Speaker 4 he ends up coming across the way to galley, which is a ship that was coming back from Amazon in May. its maiden voyage. So it was returning on his maiden voyage. Okay, back to the US from Africa. And it was flush with with gold. Yeah, lots and lots of gold full of cash. This was a state of the art ship. first of its kind. They didn't have armored boats back. They did not. But this was fast. It was a fast boat. It could go up to 15 miles an hour. unheard of at the time. Super fast boat. And so they spotted this and this was all over the news. Everybody's been Yeah, everyone's known about this. Everyone's known about how fast this boat is. And he was like, I want that boat. He's like he's like can you imagine how many boats we could sail up next to and ask politely for them to give us everything they have if we had that boat. Unknown Speaker I hope that's what happens with that red light. I'd like your car because you don't get it I'm a pirate. I'm just Where are you going? All right. Unknown Speaker My boat goes there Speaker 1 asking you guys give me your car I saw it. Today there was a guy being like you're stolen a police car. You didn't know how to turn the lights on. That's a bummer. Let me show you how showing the panel Speaker 1 so I've never stolen it please Car, I politely asked a polite No, let me take it Unknown Speaker politely dazedly. Unknown Speaker He was really nice about it. He's like, he's like, Hey, man, like, I'm Unknown Speaker just like, I gotta do I gotta tase you, bro. Speaker 1 I was like, I'm not even running. He's like when I welcome it. Speaker 2 I think you're being so nice about it. I'll be nice to like it as long as we're respecting each other. Mutual respect here. Unknown Speaker That's okay. No, I appreciate you, Kamala. So, Speaker 4 that's all she does. This ship, though, was different than most of the ships that they were writing. Alright, because it's faster. Well, it's faster. It's also got 618 cannons on board. Oh, boy. And so this is a warship and it's on its maiden voyage. So you know, pretty stuck. They're like, they're like, ready? Unknown Speaker They're like they're like, I Speaker 4 hope sword here. So let's see what happened, you know? And so he follows this thing for three kid Speaker 1 with a pocket knife jig gets his first pocket knife and he's like, I hope I see a frickin frog somewhere like Unknown Speaker that. You're gonna say Unknown Speaker oh, what do you think I was gonna say? Unknown Speaker I thought you're gonna say like, Speaker 4 I hope someone tries me. Oh, but yeah, it's different Speaker 1 practicing Yeah, no kids kill little stuff with pocket knives. Serial killers Unknown Speaker DO NOT normal kids. Sorry. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I've never done that. Speaker 2 I haven't killed the frog. It only in science class. There's only plays I've done it. But so they killed that Speaker 1 we used to learn third graders into this little tunnel. Do you know I'm saying back when we were in the scary kids and Unknown Speaker you're that age or you know you're scared Speaker 1 on the serial killer bro Go ahead. So they grow to the ship. They Jesus shipped for three days because it's so fast they couldn't keep up with it. Or the ship eventually is like hey, that boats fall on us. Yeah, Unknown Speaker and they slow down they're like hey, are you following us? Glad you asked. We're pirates were they door to door pirates script like Hi Hello Yeah interested in being overtaken by am I doing this right my first day Yeah, first day handling the tract just shorter shore salesman sorry. Speaker 4 know they finally get close enough in rage to shoot at them. And so they shoot a cannon blast at them. Speaker 1 The pirates and Bellamy Bellamy shot at them. Yeah, they Speaker 4 shot one one. First. Yeah, they his first. Okay. And that boat. The way to galley let them immediately surrendered. The one day's shot didn't even come close to them. And they immediately surrendered. And they said, Hey, you can have the boat. We don't want it. Unknown Speaker Yeah, it's too fast. Unknown Speaker You can No, we can't Speaker 1 control. Honestly, I felt that he was I felt my hair go with the wind a little bit. Unknown Speaker Too much. It's too much. Yeah, Unknown Speaker it's too late. Never move again. They just surrendered. Unknown Speaker Yeah, so they surrendered. That's a lot of buildup. They Speaker 4 gave the boat to them. But this was a massive, massive wind. Yeah. They were overnight millionaires. And so he took the boat. And he started heading back to Cape Cod. Presumably, to go to this guy's and be like, Look, I'm rich now. And then he probably be like, how do you get that money? Speaker 5 I was like, Well, I just asked for it. Like I didn't like I know what you're thinking. That No, I didn't kill anyone. I never killed anybody and never even fired a shot. Well, I fired one shot people died but I didn't see him. See them die. So it's not it doesn't count. If I don't see it. Didn't I close my eyes. Speaker 4 I close my eyes all time, so I had to see it. And along the way they did invade a couple other ships that took over a couple ships. They actually invaded another pirate ship. One pirated by Captain beer was his name. And him and Captain Bellamy got into an altercation there because Captain beer was pirating, but then selling his treasure back to like the powerful and Captain Bellamy was pretty upset about this like no. And so there's a speech that has been memorialized from Captain Bellamy. This is real. I'm not Unknown Speaker like, oh boy. Speaker 4 This is a speech that's been memorialized. From Captain Bellamy. I'm not going to read the whole thing. But he basically just lit this guy up. calling him a crafty rascal. Scoundrels. Oh, so if you hear pirates say, and I'm gonna be honest with you. I've read this like six times, and I'm not certain what his point is. So I asked GPT to take it and make it more Gen Z. Unknown Speaker So here's what here's the speech. Speaker 1 I knew who's gonna do this. I knew he was gonna do this guy's it's not even cool anymore way to not even like it's like oh just chat GBG things kind of new and neat look at this. This has been months. This is like not even like a relevant thing to do anymore. Go ahead. Yeah it was. It was me reading the speech sorry. Speaker 2 Oh yeah it says they won't let you have your sleep sucks but honestly I'm not trying to cause trouble unless it benefits me forget the stupid boat let's just sink it. Those people who follow laws created by the rich for their own safety are such weaklings, US pirates. We take what we want with our own strength and our own courage. Why work for those cowards when you could join us? You're such a wimp for following the rules. I'm a boss, and I can start a war with anyone. Anywhere. You're just a sniveling little puppy who lets others push you around. So that's that's Gen Z. Speaker 1 Do you think that's very Gen Z? I don't know. I don't Speaker 2 think it's very dizzy but you don't know that the bots? Really that's very Gen Z. Speaker 1 You're a wimp. That's actually what I've been called a lot on tick tock I wish that was the only thing they said they're ruthless. Okay, so he gave a speech Speaker 4 so yeah, he gave the speech embedded a couple other ships now they got a compliment boats shirt back to Cape Cod to go presumably we don't know this for sure but presumably went back the heart of this Yeah, this woman that he's gone off to do all this for it's only been like two years. And so he's he's on his way through the trip the trip and in outside Wellfleet Massachusetts. Overnight, a surprise nor'easter hits them and sinks the boat and kills everybody onboard except for two people. And it was such a major event that the bodies of most of the crew were washing up on shore the next morning along with a lot of gold and so people were like rushing the shore yeah on Massachusetts trying to get some of this virus booty Unknown Speaker people died Tim Unknown Speaker died 200 years ago. Unknown Speaker They're ghosts can hear this. Unknown Speaker Sorry, you're right. If you're Speaker 1 a ghost, why don't you leave a five star podcast review and support us on Patreon Unknown Speaker Yeah, yeah, support haunt us on Patreon. We should start Speaker 1 I would love some ghosts supporters. You know and that's honestly you know, I did a theater show a couple weeks ago there was a lot of empty seats and well to the to the AI in this realm in this realm. But I know that you guys were there and I appreciate that about you. So sold out baby. Unknown Speaker That Unknown Speaker interesting thing does Bellamy was never found and Unknown Speaker in my head I say the Jason Bourne music Yeah, probably it was never found Unknown Speaker Bellamy became like a legend. Yeah a pirate legend everybody talked about him he spent like two years ago for Unknown Speaker a haunting more money Unknown Speaker Yeah, they're out there. Yeah, singing that song Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah, but I am dad. So are you we should spend eternity together Yeah, you got to age does and Matt are now that are day Unknown Speaker What if it does go cycle How long have you been dead Unknown Speaker oh my gosh, she would have been dead for Oh 30 years. Unknown Speaker Call me back when is 1000 Speaker 1 This is a groomer. Oh quarterback when you're at the age of ghost can say this is weird. Is a bad bit. Speaker 4 So he was a legend for forever right? As like the richest quickest to success and then also they they acted like he was a good guy because he kind of was like he was just like a friendly pirate. That was like your boats mine now, but I'm gonna be really nice about you know, sure. So you got payments for it? Well, in July 1984 He became famous again because they found them alive. No, they've they found the ship though. The wieder under the sea it was 15 feet below water, so it wasn't even that deep. Okay, and then five feet below sand, sand. So it's 15 feet of water, five feet of sand. They found it. And they found roughly four to five tons worth of indigo, ivory and gold and 20 to 30,000 pounds of sterling. And they found the bones of many of the pirates that were never Unknown Speaker recovered, never wash up. Yeah. Speaker 4 And they have been testing the DNA of these bones for years, trying to try to track down Samuel Bellamy Sure, and they haven't found his in 2018. They found one that they expected was Sammy Bellamy's and they check the DNA competitors living ancestors and it was not a match. And so they're still down Speaker 1 there a part of the podcast where you start to talk like this at the very It's very serious part of the show is where no one can find his calves perfectly in the mold that we have his little dainty dancer like friggin we're trying Unknown Speaker to find his Speaker 1 ended episode nobody nobody cares about you do you? Every episode No. And you start like no ones, but this is the important part of the story. I know. That's why I'm saying speak and enunciate clearly um, Unknown Speaker and then saving just fine. Unknown Speaker You can hear me just fine. Speaker 2 I just put a little bit of baseball I got this is this is just Unknown Speaker nighttime radio. Oh, hi. Unknown Speaker I'm gonna make you watch Sound of Music. Unknown Speaker Okay, okay, sorry. I'll be different so they started a Speaker 4 museum in Provincetown, Massachusetts, okay. Dedicated to Bellamy and the ship and they've got all the artifacts there was the ship owns they the only like recognizable picture in there. Like it's all like just like here's a hunk of wood that was underwater for 300 years. But the one cool part is they do have the bell which didn't know they had belts Yeah, it was so everyone knows. Unknown Speaker So everyone knew that service was starting Speaker 4 but yeah, so this is this is the bell and on it this is how they knew that this was the ship because it says the WIDA on that bell. Wow. pretty beefy Bell. It looks like it in this picture. I don't know. Maybe it just is deceptive. Tiny. Unknown Speaker Sure. Yes. A really close up picture. Unknown Speaker Yeah, but Bellamy the most successful pirate of all time. Here's his bell. Wow. And I don't know maybe maybe he reunited with Mary or Mariah Maria or goodie Unknown Speaker Khomeini's it'd be me. Kamala Harris. We made it to the end of the episode. Voice actors so much information. Unknown Speaker I'm so proud of you. Speaker 1 But now it's time you did so good. It's so good so good. Speaker 4 Things that are last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by ours Garnett video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah and Tim stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at Taillon podcast is Ti LL and podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Black Sam Bellamy, also known as “Black Sam,” was one of the most notorious pirates of the 18th century. He is known for his infamous piracy career and his successful raid of the Whydah Galley. In this blog post, we will delve into the life and legacy of this legendary pirate and explore his impact on the world of piracy. … Read More

John Harvey Kellogg – The Man Who Invented Breakfast Cereal

05-16-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's going on? Unknown Speaker Have you ever heard of John Harvey Kellogg? Speaker 1 Yeah. Yep, he's the he's he's the other guy in Talladega Nights with Will Ferrell Will Ferrell and John Harvey Kellogg. He's the guy who does the space. You know talking about he's that gift. The Yeah, what's Unknown Speaker his real name? Speaker 1 John Kelly. Kellogg. John Harvey Kellogg. Unknown Speaker Yeah, John Henry Kelly. Yeah, yeah, that's not his real name. I Unknown Speaker think it is somebody else I'm not here to get him a different Unknown Speaker Oh, are you want to talk about John C. Reilly? Unknown Speaker Yeah, thank you. Unknown Speaker We're gonna let it go. You're gonna Google it. Speaker 2 I was just shot you brought it out and my brain couldn't let it go. Alright, I've had to Unknown Speaker lose John Hardaway too much caffeine Unknown Speaker today. Speaker 1 I'm gonna slap you. There's a vibrating chair and also some weird stuff. We do a yogurt. I do agree with that, though. That captain crunch is responsible for the downfall of our society. Unknown Speaker Don't you dare, don't you not titled but to send you the principal's office. Unknown Speaker Things I Learned last night Speaker 1 All right, you've had I want you to know, just so you know. You had 200 milligrams of caffeine today. Yeah, baby. Yeah, that's what this does to you. So far today, I've had 550 milligrams of caffeine. Yeah. And I still have another 150 to take Unknown Speaker you have a problem and here's the deal. It's because of all this running, you're doing Speaker 2 it deal it's because I'll just write it. Okay. It's because last night I was on the phone with you at like 10pm And you're like, can we get up at five to go run a bunch? Unknown Speaker I do that. Yeah, Unknown Speaker I know. You do that and you don't have to brag about it on camera. Speaker 1 I didn't. I wanted me to you bring it up. You're the one who I was mentioning could you bring up naturally about the fact that I was reading this statute and I did though I did take a nap right before this. I feel pretty energized. Yeah, yeah. Took it Unknown Speaker out of the 500 milligrams of caffeine Speaker 1 combo I think powerpod to say I'm going to Yeah, it's a good it's a good nap and then just followed by a gallon of energy drinks Yeah, Speaker 3 that's what I have a new energy drink. That's zero milligrams of caffeine. It says on it works best after a full night's rest. Y'all energized with this and philanthropist works every time me too. Unknown Speaker John Harvey Kellogg, you might know him from Kellogg's Unknown Speaker cereal. Yeah. Hi, is this Speaker 1 gonna be like a bad thing about him? Because I might may or may not have like a brand partnership with them. Speaker 2 It's not about him. What's that about? Well, well, here's John Harvey Kellogg isn't Kellogg's. But he is Kellogg's, if that makes sense. Speaker 1 Okay. He's good. Sam. This may or may not ever see the light of day. It's the caffeine talk. And don't worry about Speaker 3 it. It's okay. Well, actually, it's funny you say that? Because today I actually did. Nick, another topic about another brand that you're working with because I said that's too. This is too bad. Unknown Speaker So we can talk about that. Unknown Speaker Pet stroller. Don't know what you're talking about. Unknown Speaker You're not gonna believe what they make. Unknown Speaker Another brand that I'm working with? Yeah, we'll Unknown Speaker talk about it the good. Okay, okay. Yeah. So Speaker 3 John Harvey Kellogg. So he's, he's the Kellogg guy, but not the one you're thinking of. So here's what he did. He was born 1852 Sure. And he was born and what are you testing right now? Unknown Speaker You're good. You're good. Keep going here. He was born and what year did your IQ Unknown Speaker 15 Do you want to put that Florida? Did bro Unknown Speaker Okay, okay. Sorry. Speaker 3 Born was born in 1980 finitude, Tyrone Michigan, okay. And he became a devout or his family was devout seventh day. Adventists. Do you know much about the Seventh Day Adventist Church? Speaker 1 Is that are they a sect of Mormonism or No, Speaker 3 no, no. They get they get I feel like they get confused with Mormonism a lot they do. They're a sect of Christianity. Very extremist. Unknown Speaker Super fundamentalist Yeah. Speaker 3 denomination. They believe, like, all of they believe your diet is really intertwined with your spirituality. They believe an unhealthy diet makes you sin, and sort of lead you to all sorts of other vices Vices if Unknown Speaker you live in sin. Speaker 3 Well, it's not the diet that sinful, the diet makes you sinful, is what they believe. Okay, so like, if you have too much red meat in your system, then it makes you want to murder somebody. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, it's like it's like I ate a lot. I added a lot of greens today. So I've been feeling like stealing. Speaker 2 merge with green beans. g green Pete's. Speaker 3 But they also are really big on the Sabbath. That's why they're named seven day event, right? I actually did a high school project about the seven day event. So I know a lot about quiz me real quick. Unknown Speaker How many days are in a week Speaker 2 six. But this is a special day. It's a bonus day. Don't count it. Six days. Okay. That's all I can tell you. Speaker 1 My days are six hours. Right? I wake up at 5am by 11am. The first day is over 11am I'm starting day two. By 6pm. I've lived two whole days and you're one okay. You multiply that over a week. I'm freaking Alright, sorry. Three weeks out. Are you sorry to the steroids? We're talking? Speaker 2 Yeah, you're like, like 49 then? Well, no, you're older than that. 130 Unknown Speaker Oh, I go on Martian time. Oh, okay. Yes. You're still 20. Souls maybe? Speaker 3 No. So in high school, we did this project on Saturday, Venice. I might. Speaker 1 What are you doing? Hey, guys, I just want to let you know real quick. I April 30. I'm doing a show in Bloomington, Indiana. Live right. I am also doing a show in Joplin, Missouri on May 7. Do you know better time? I just wanted you to know that please. Please think about Unknown Speaker don't go to his shows. Vacate Unknown Speaker here you Oh, sorry. Unknown Speaker Just inappropriate times to advertise. Speaker 3 Is that what you were trying to do earlier? Yeah. Gosh, I hate you. I hate your guts. Speaker 1 Yeah, like six more to do though. So this is gonna be a long episode. Speaker 3 No, in high school. I might go, here's what here's what happened. We had a project we had to write about the seventh day of Venice and yeah, presentation, as everyone got a different denomination, okay. And it was a group project as me and for my friends. And the we chose to make a video, like explaining you how to explain the foundation of the denomination like how it started. Where is it? And and so we made a 15 minute video. And maybe one minute, there was a speech I did in Asana, about why I wanted to start the Seventh Day Adventist Church, and it barely touched on why the guy who started the Seventh Day Adventist Church actually didn't start it barely touched on it. But we got to be plus, because the guy was like, honestly, our teacher was like, honestly, you did not complete the assignment. But it was entertaining. So I'll give you a B plus. Speaker 1 There was a day in my history class where we were supposed to do presentations. Yeah. And presentations, were instructions are pretty clear. You got to cover certain topics and all this stuff. And there's about three minutes long. Yeah, one kid in the class misheard that. Because he thought that it was supposed to be 30 minutes long. So he shows up, he's got like costumes, then he's got like, he's got your whole, like, set prepared. He's trying to get an A on this project. Right. And he's in the back of the room. Someone goes up presents three minutes wrong. And the teacher goes, thank you so much. I was great. And you can see him start to go. What he's like, after the third kid I try he's in the back and he's like, freaking like, he's trying to hide all of his props and stuff. And he's like, free to tear in pages out of his script. You know, like he is editing on the fly. Yeah, he went up still 15 minutes long. Afterward the teacher went Unknown Speaker okay. It was a good day for all of us, was it you know, I'm not an idiot. Unknown Speaker But uh, I do have that I have that video on a DVD. We there's a lot Speaker 1 DVD, there's a lot of music, I wouldn't even know where to put a DVD. Speaker 3 I can, I can figure it out. But I'll get I'll get a release from everybody else in the video and see if we can put it on Patreon. We can put it public because it's the we we'd have to get the rights to a lot of music. Okay, we broke a lot of rules. So Unknown Speaker what does that have to do with anything at all? Speaker 3 Oh, this Saturday Venice. So he this guy. He was a devout seventh day of Venice. Speaker 1 Was he in a sauna? And did he start to seventh day Venice? Or did you just want to tell a story? Speaker 3 Well, no, I just I was like, oh, yeah, the Seventh Day Adventist. Okay. So he was a devout Seventh Day Adventist. And he wanted to become a get out of here with that. I don't Hey, guys, Unknown Speaker I am April 3. There's no no show April 30. Speaker 3 No, he's not. He doesn't even like Bloomington. He doesn't know how to spell it. Yeah, he can. Yeah, he can wait, but Speaker 1 that's not important. Okay. He's gonna do this doesn't even come out. Unknown Speaker He's gonna be in the middle of the show. Speaker 1 That actually is a good time to do. I've been speeding a lot lately. I've been trying to get pulled over. Cuz I want to do an inappropriate times to advertise. I just didn't like the first take. I did. Speaker 3 Yeah, you're gonna like that one a lot less? Oh, no, that's all I gotta Whatever, man, Unknown Speaker I might have the true dama redo it again. Unknown Speaker I'm gonna take my shirt off the next time. Unknown Speaker Is that promise? So I wasn't listening. Go ahead. Speaker 3 So he was at about 17 minutes. Yeah. And instead of going and being like a missionary and like teaching people stuff, or whatever about seventh day, Adventists are what they do. Instead, what he did was he was like, I'll become a doctor. And I'll trick everyone into thinking this is medicine. And so that's what he did. And so he became a doctor. And then he started what was called the sanitarium. Which sounds a lot like sounds Unknown Speaker not a great place, Speaker 3 like what it is. It was a weird cross between a like mental institution and a resort. So it was a place where you could go, and there would be this variety of treatments, you could receive that were supposed to make you more healthy, like electric Unknown Speaker shock. They didn't have any electric shocks. Speaker 3 But they had so they they did have a chair that could shake you 60 times per second. 60 times per second. So it was just a little wooden chair, not a massage chair. Not a comfortable massage chair like 60 seconds. 60 times per second. It's just like yeah, speed that up. I guess shakes shaking you real fast. Speaker 1 There's a vibrating chair. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't say shake I would say vibrate pavement sir. And what? What pace? Is it not shaking anymore? And it's just vibrating. Speaker 3 I mean, I think at any pace, it's also vibrating vibrate and shake is no sending Wrong. Wrong vibrate and shake is our cinnamon All right, another another treatment. Speaker 1 Synonym and cinnamon are synonyms. cinnamons m&ms, you're an idiot. Go ahead. Speaker 3 So they had the light treatments. And so they were like the showers that you would get in and they just had a bunch of light bulbs. And so you would soak in all the light. Weird. They had they had this one treatment where you would eat half a pint of yogurt. And then you would get the other pint and a mud. No, yeah. And that was supposed to because you're going both ways it would clean you out real well. Speaker 1 You're going both ways. Never say that again. Never in your life Say that again. To talk people into this like you're a doctor you know got like your lab coat on. So the Welcome to the resort. There's a vibrating chair and also some weird stuff we do with yogurt Unknown Speaker this is I'm pulling up real quick. Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sorry. I ordered two pints. I know this is only one I know you'll get the other one was the egg? Speaker 3 Yeah, they this. This was like a parfait Unknown Speaker shop Unknown Speaker Oh Okay. I mean, this this, this was, what year is Unknown Speaker this? This is like the Speaker 3 1910s when people die when they were 14, bro, no, no, no, we do stuff like this now. It's just this is the same stuff that you see like Hollywood actresses and actors do they're like it's this new like treatment that like sounds all this stuff like it's the same concept is just they make it sound a little bit more believable now than they did back then. Like instead of saying it's yogurt, they're like, Oh, it's this, this steroid cream or something like that, like they they changed what they call that it made it sound more medical, but it's yes. Thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Speaking of future episodes, we have a ton of past episodes. We have a back catalogue of well over 100 episodes. So check those out. My current favorite is Nelly Bly, she was a journalist from the early 1900s, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy. Some of the things that she did, we had a lot of fun in that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately just thanks for being here Unknown Speaker but but they their their their patients Speaker 1 can either say, Oh, it's a steroid cream, please. Speaker 3 Thank you. They had presidents and athletes and like looking through their notable patients, Thomas Edison, Amelia Earhart, Henry Ford, the what's the I know I heard this in a different list. They're not in this list the the rail yard people Unknown Speaker talking about tugboat people, Speaker 2 people, workers, no, not rail workers, the Rockefellers. So like they had they had a Speaker 1 notable list of people had like the 1900 influencers. Yeah, Speaker 3 the really wealthy people will come and they would spend a weekend here, and they would get all their treatments. Well, I almost forgot my most favorite treatment. They had a slapping machine, which is exactly what it sounds like. It was just a piece of leather, that would just slap you in the face over and over again, like but it was a machine. What's the Speaker 1 idea behind these things, I get the blood flowing. But this is this isn't like an like this is this is like a luxury. Speaker 3 They were it was supposed to be holistic treatments. So here's I've got some pictures I'll show you. So here's, here's the grounds of a class that they're doing. This is like a yoga class or something. And they're teaching them whole body health. And that was that was his thing is he thought that a lot of what like physical health was at the time was just garbage. And so he taught a lot of like aerobics class type stuff, and then diet stuff. And then weird, random things that were like your natural medicine that was not proved and didn't really do anything. But he said, cured everything. Unknown Speaker These are breathing exercises. Unknown Speaker So he built this massive campus. It's just where's this hat? This was in let me double check. Battle Creek, Michigan. Speaker 1 So this doesn't exist there anymore. No, yeah. This has been before they turn to the mall. Well, Speaker 3 there actually is a couple. I think that back building that back tower is still in there. But this whole part was torn it down and like they used it for something else for years. And then they tore it down and now it's gone. That's a huge building. But anytime you could see John Harvey Kellogg, just riding around the property on his bicycle. Speaker 1 That's John Harvey Kellogg. Yeah, okay. He would ride around. He's a cross between Colonel Sanders and the guy who's Jurassic Park. Like the perfect balance of those two characters, he's not one way or the other. He has. He's He's Colonel Sanders. Unknown Speaker He's right on the line. And Speaker 1 what's his face? Yeah. Jurassic Park, man, Jurassic Park guy. Speaker 3 But yeah, you could just find him at any time. Oh, riding his bicycle around the around the campus. And Unknown Speaker well, I'm a bike. Unknown Speaker You also accidentally started a call. Speaker 1 I did extra sort of what do you do? You know, like if you find yourself being the leader of a cult. Unknown Speaker I can't give you advice for that. I've never been there. Anyway. Speaker 1 Say with me guys. Jared. Ally is my Speaker 3 mind might Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Put it away. Don't put Speaker 1 so yeah, excellent. Started a cold. Okay, so he's just riding around. So yeah, he writes up the bicycle if I was if I was to make this place, yeah, I'd be like, I don't have a slot machine. My whole job. So there's enough revenue coming in to build this giant place though. Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. He's making bank any celebrities and stuff? At the weekend? It Speaker 1 would be so fun to just be like, I don't really slap a machine. I'm gonna slap you like to convince someone that slapping them is good for them. That itself is is terrorism. You know that is that is so sketchy. It is but it's like that, man. Yeah, gaslighting everybody how many people were like, dude, no one lived there. Speaker 3 I mean, there might have been people who had like residences there like because they weren't, Speaker 1 but it was it was meant to be like a common state. Yeah, you stayed there Speaker 3 for a weekend, got all your services, people viewed it like like a spa. Like, I'm gonna go get my treatment. They're gonna do the stuff and then I'm gonna head back to my to my wife in Michigan. Yeah, in Michigan, rolled out to Battle Creek, Michigan. But yeah, you could see him running around on his bicycle and he would go up to where people were getting the treatments. And he would this is my favorite part about him is he would ride around and his little brother William would be on foot following him on his bike taking notes like writing down the notes that he would alright to him. And so he'd be writing his cycle. Speaker 1 Notes are terrible, because he I don't know. Have you ever tried to walk and write something to save time? I mean, illegible you know, say like, it was so bad. Because I don't know what you meant by cinnamon synonym and Speaker 3 in them. That's why they got it. That's why they ended up with the stuff that they had, like the slapping machine was just the his team's attempt to read the handwriting. Like slapping. Yeah, Speaker 1 he shows up on a bike. What? Because what is this? It's the slapping, vibrating. Unknown Speaker No, it's no It's shaky. Oh, supposed to vibrate. Unknown Speaker You're putting the yogurt where Speaker 2 that's not even close to what I said. That's not even close. Speaker 1 But it's already people are paying for it or paying for it. So you can't walk it back. Like, you make the Rockefellers look stupid to their boss. You can't be wrong. Unknown Speaker Sorry, that was a clerical error. Speaker 1 stuck with it? Over clarify, do not try this at home. Is that a thing? Oh, no. So he started reading books Speaker 3 about like Seventh Day Adventist stuff, and how the health world relates to it. And the Seventh Day Adventists started reading his books and the like, organization of the church was like, Hey, this isn't right. We don't like this. Like we don't like that you're writing this stuff. And so he ended up Speaker 1 getting who but he got I'm not writing it. Willie, if you don't Speaker 3 like William, you're fine with me. Williams the problem. Speaker 1 He's still on his bike. He's just riding conference room. He's just riding around the table of the car. He's like that kid and Breaking Bad. Everybody's just like, okay, and he's like, it's not it's not big enough for his bike either. Like he's bumping into the wall. He's got herself off his you know, Speaker 2 ringing the bell. Like if someone doesn't think he doesn't like he raised Unknown Speaker sorry, excuse me. Just sorry. Speaker 2 Could you slip up? Yeah, he just looked a little tired. It looks sick. Yeah, there's a middle fight the germs and steel so Speaker 3 he got it. He fellowshipped Oh, okay. Well, I kicked Speaker 1 him out that bad bad, huh? Yeah, they kicked him out into they disagree with the yogurt. Well, Speaker 3 I think I think it started with them being like, that's weird. Everything you're doing is weird. Yeah, I think that's where it started. And then he got into a little he dabbled in some pantheism stuff. And that's what I like. And they were like, no, they're like, Get out of here. And so yeah, he got he got disfellowshipped and then after that he got really interested in food. And so he's like, he's like, I wonder if I can make food. Like I make health services at the sanitarium? Okay, started a little Sanitarium bakery. And he started experimenting. And so he had like a little kitchen, like an industrial kitchen and on the grounds and we'll experiment with stuff. So we started making peanut butter substitutes. And that that got successfully started having that on the grounds. He started making meat substitutes even impossible burgers that they actually revived that that was something No, but he was making some meat substitutes similar kind except with like, different remedies. So let's try to figure out Yeah, yeah. And then one day he was making this is one of the weird things that he believed it was very, very passionate about. Yeah, was that the more the stronger the flavor profile of a food that you eat, the more it triggers things in your body that are going to lead you to sin. So you need to eat bland. He said your food needs to be bland to make you more bland also, Speaker 1 you're saying that this is the this is like Kellogg's cereal Kellogg though? Like this eventually becomes like catalog. Unknown Speaker I mean, eventually. Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm saying he would lose his mind if he knew the captain crunch. He's a good yeah, because that's way too many flavors. Unknown Speaker Yeah, there's a lot of flavors in there. And he's Speaker 1 okay. I do agree with that though. The captain crunch is responsible for the downfall of our society. And he did to us like he's like, I want to experiment with flavors, and I want to be bad. Speaker 3 Yeah. And so he started making this like, this was also happening at a time in the country where there was this this condition that was going on. I'm gonna double check this and make sure I get this right. dyspepsia. Have you heard of this? Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what that's when restaurants only have coke. Unknown Speaker What is this dyspepsia? I'm limited. Speaker 1 Pepsi in society. Yeah, to dyspepsia novel. It's just the normal life it's just it's very boring. The only thing is that Pepsi was never created all right. So there's no Pepsi man to save the world from getting freakin demolished you know? Where would you get jet World World Without Pepsi? Unknown Speaker Yeah, he would never get to school on time, you will never make it. So Unknown Speaker Pepsi were disposed. Unknown Speaker This was a Speaker 3 common issue in this era, because it was one of the it was the first era really in human history where jobs became stationary. Okay, and so people were starting to work jobs where they were seated or whether they were standing in one spot all day Sugar Factory and for the average person throughout history breakfast was something that either they didn't do Unknown Speaker did us brush past was dyspepsia actually is Speaker 3 well, I'm getting to it okay to breakfast was was that is something you didn't do? Or it was leftovers from the night before? Yeah. Or you woke up really early and made like these grains. Would you eat for breakfast? Unknown Speaker And you're a kid when I was a kid? Yeah. Speaker 3 I think I mean, it depends on what time frame you look at. Cereal was very common. Okay. eggs and toast is very. Unknown Speaker I don't remember eating a lot of cereal growing up. To be honest. Unknown Speaker I had a lot of cereal. Yeah, Speaker 1 I had a lot of cereal when I got to college law through college, a lot of Toaster Strudels through circles. Speaker 3 I did love me some types of shows Pop Tarts, big streets guy shoots. Those many waffles where they were like a waffles. Yeah, Eggo waffles in general. Speaker 1 When I got into high school, my breakfast was a pack of ramen noodles. This is not a joke. You're gonna sit back Oh, yeah, we were all eating. Yeah. All right, guys. Guys, we're all eating cigarettes. No, I would eat ramen noodles, but I let go by Barbaro, but I wouldn't cook them. I need to dry noodles. Yeah, yeah, you did that before? No. Oh, dude. I would like crush up the whole bag. And then you open it. And you've put the powder in there and you shake it up. vibrated up. at it. You just eat the dust covered dry news. Speaker 3 I've seen that I've seen that. I never did that. I was never a huge fan of ramen. Okay, but it has to rich for that Unknown Speaker well, not all of us had screen doors do sorry. It was class. It was locked all the time to four. Unknown Speaker there to be a weird Speaker 1 person who locks his like screen door and his door door. Unknown Speaker Yeah, why not double layer? Speaker 1 Because no one's breaking into your home. They saw your car dude. They didn't they were like there's nothing valuable in your house. Unknown Speaker I took a picture with my Honda Civic today. Unknown Speaker Why? Why did you do that? Unknown Speaker Is it on a timer? Got down at like Unknown Speaker okay, you should put that on some missing posters for 2002 Unknown Speaker do the three legged very well. Oh man. Speaker 3 Thanks for checking out our show. If you like it and you want to support it be a part of what we're doing. You can do that by becoming a patron. What happens there is you get to be in the community, we have a discord with our hosts and producers, we have a lot of fun. We're super active in there every day you get access to add free content a week before everybody else. And we have a zoom every month with our patrons. We hang out, we eat pizza, we get to know you a little bit better. It's a blast. And there's a ton of other different benefits like merch discounts, birthday messages, things like that, that are super cool. If you want to be in that you can just text HiLine to 66866. And that'll get you right in there. If not, we're just super glad that you're here. And thanks for watching our show. Speaker 3 No, but dyspepsia. What people had was honestly a very heavy breakfast is what people were eating at the time because it was stuff from the night before our grains like heavy grains. And then they would go to physical labor all day, and so their body would be able to break it down. Well then when people transition to stationary jobs, their bodies weren't breaking down their breakfasts like they used to. Okay, so people were having the same diet, but then they were having this severe abdominal pain, belching, bloating, heartburn, nausea and vomiting. That's the list I just read. Got it. So people were burping on the job a lot. And everyone was really, it was just Speaker 1 what you do every day. It's just your life you have. Speaker 3 But it became it became like this epidemic that people were concerned like what's happening with our bodies? Like why are we all of a sudden, all like, stomach sick all the time. And it was because their breakfasts were too heavy. But nobody had quite put words to that yet. But there was a community in medicine that was starting to realize that's what was going on. Sure. And Kellogg was like, oh, that's what I'm trying been trying to tell everybody. But you even say this for years, you eat like a bunch of animals. And that's why you behave like a bunch of animals. And it's like so and so if you eat Speaker 1 from a judgmental low in a very loving way, you eat like Googles and therefore you behave like Google. Come to my resort Speaker 3 garbage in garbage out. And so he started making this this patty. That was just like a grain patty. Was all it was was it was just some grains that was hardened into a patty. And it was disgusting, right? It was what it wasn't rice. It was closer to like a chunk of granola but it was so hard. Oh girl, that it was like impossible to eat or to you're just stuck on Speaker 1 it. Yeah, people but you can't even break it. So this granola bar, stick it out your mouth like a cigar. Speaker 3 I'm just waiting for it to melt. Well, that was one thing that he was really passionate about too, was chewing. And he actually shouldn't have to do that. He actually had a song that will play in this cafeteria. That was a rhythm for chewing. And so you are supposed to chew 40 Choose before you Speaker 1 swallow. Turns out it's staying alive. How how fast. It's the same thing for CPR. Speaker 3 Yeah, so he was really big on chewing so he's like, that's okay. Like if this is really hard, because you're supposed to chew a lot. It kind of encourages you to chew things already juice. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Speaker 2 Right, you'd run up on his bike, and then he'd see you at 39 and he'd stop anyway. Speaker 1 I'm trying to do 40 Right now it is taking so long to even get to 15 He's Speaker 3 like you. You only to 38 times before that swab. You're counting. Unknown Speaker William was taking a tally behind me 40 times. What are you eating that needs to be chewed. 40 Speaker 3 He wanted his He said your your food no matter what it is. Should be a paste before you swallow. And that's the word he used to use the word paste. So I don't like that. So he was making these these patties and everybody hated them. They were like, they're like, hey, like we get like, this is like probably good for you. But it's gross. And he was like, let me try to make it a little bit better. So he crunched it up into granola. And that's where it all kind of started. And then some other people were like, hey, what if we made this not suck and that's how granola happened. But he kept making Unknown Speaker yogurt. Why he didn't know the yogurt Unknown Speaker not the one you want Unknown Speaker okay, so Speaker 3 he was making a batch of these one day Sure. And they got away from him and He left a batch out on the counter. And Unknown Speaker that got away from me just crawled away. Well, Speaker 3 the day got away from Okay, so something happened he got to walk away left a batch I'm gonna do right Speaker 1 aways. Oh, he's in the kitchen like Unknown Speaker rolling things out on this bike. His balance was crazy Speaker 1 you doing these, like BMX things on the back yeah, he's core was insane. He was ripped. Unknown Speaker Yeah. And that was because of his diet. Not the Speaker 1 all eats or what he calls grain patties. I call it grain paddies. Maca like you're not good at marketing. Speaker 3 So he he made his granola out, or they get burnt out overnight. On the counter came came overnight oats and they were so fermented. And he was like, that's weird. But he was like, I'm gonna try it anyways, it's sure the batch is probably fine. And so he cooked it anyways, and it came out. flaky and weird. And but he was like, but this is much easier to chew and swallow than what I had before was cornflakes. And then he he subbed out the wheat for corn and corn flakes were born. Wow. And people at the sanitarium loved them. And he marketed them. As he said, This is a bland enough breakfast item. And he called it cereal. This is what it was. So this is a bland enough, like breakfast cereal, where if you eat it, it'll help you maintain your chastity. That's how he marketed it. Unknown Speaker What he said, he Speaker 3 said, if it's he said his plan enough where you're gonna go the whole day. And you're gonna be Speaker 1 maintaining your chastity. He said that will protect you from sin. Did he say maintaining your chances? Yeah, he's specified. Speaker 3 Yes, yes. Yes. And which was something he was very passionate about? He just me. Yeah, he strongly believed that. Even if you were married, procreation was the only reason. And so he was he was very adamant about it on the grounds. Like they had some strict rules. So he made Speaker 1 at a forum, he had a cereal that he was Speaker 3 like, yeah, yeah. So he was marketing it that way. And the sanitarium? His brother, on the other hand, sure. His brother has been with him this whole time, William. And William, though, is a pretty smart business mind. Well, yeah. Was been kind of the engine behind running the business for for John, this whole thing was evangelism. He's like, I'm helping save the world from their sins. For wheeling, Speaker 1 I made a cereal that makes you not it's so bland. So boring. It's so just cereal. Like, I can't imagine eating something that's like, No, I'm good. You know, I don't understand. Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's the God set. William the whole time. He was the business mind behind that. He's like, I gotta give this as a public. So John, John was working on on the sanitarium. stasher. And William was like, I will make it profitable. I will make it yeah, I'll market it. I'll make it grow. But they had a they had a rough relationship because William didn't market things. Yeah, he also is like, Can I get a bike? Yeah, he's like, how are you going to take notes if you're riding a bike? Yeah. What do you Unknown Speaker know William William wanted to make things more marketable a Unknown Speaker unicycle and he Speaker 2 show up to the spa. Colonel Sanders rides out on a bicycle, followed by a guy on a unicycle. Let me show you what his brother Speaker 1 is. Get him aside. His brother looks like a villain. Because brother looks like a frickin Batman villain. You know, I'm saying he does. He looks like pig but this guy looks like he wants a cereal that goes the other thing. You know? Like he's like, Yeah, give that to the public. That's a bad picture of Joseph or John Kellogg. Unknown Speaker Was it is? Yeah. Speaker 1 his moustache statue in that picture. Yeah, yeah. And his clothes are drawn on. That ties a little suspect. No, that's a real picture. Okay, Speaker 3 is is it anyways, so his brother, his brother was like we could make this more marketable this there's something to this. There's this dis Pepsi thing going around. And he's like, he's like, he's like, we can take this to the market and sell it outside of the sanitarium. And he's like, I guarantee you we can make a killing off of it. And John was like, no I'm not he Speaker 1 has it like in stores not like out front Sanitarium lemonade stand. Okay, I'm with ya good. We can take this when he sells outside the gates. It's the roaring 20s getting into trouble, right? We got cereal, take your kids personality stretch either like cereal and they're boring as heck Speaker 3 well what he said was he said he said we could take this public, there's something here. This dyspepsia thing is a huge deal. Everybody's looking for better things to eat for breakfast that are good for them. You just made it. And you did it. And he's like, so we need to take it to market. We'll make railings in it. John says no, I'm not in it to make money. I'm in it to save the world. And he's like, Well, we can save. Save the world. And he's like, he's like, William was like, okay, but one thing now, what has to change? And he was like, it kind of sucks. Like, it's not good to eat. And so people are not going to eat it because it kind of was sugar and it's like, well, we got put some sugar in it. John Unknown Speaker lost his mind. Yeah, he was like he was like he's like that defeats Unknown Speaker the sugar will make people the opposite Unknown Speaker of chested. Yeah, got chastised. Speaker 3 He's like the sugar will send them down the wrong direction. You can't you can't put that into people's system. Because it'll it'll that's that's what's wrong. Or what you're saying Speaker 1 is John Kellogg created a cereal. That was like, designed to save society from itself. Yeah, his brother put sugar in it. And that's how we get the 60s. Am I understanding you correctly? We're pretty. Pretty much it. Unknown Speaker You're pretty close to right. Yeah. So Speaker 3 his brother broke off. Yeah. And he started doing anyway. Yeah, he started Battle Creek battle. Speaker 1 Were there other cereals that existed or is this this is cereal? This was the beginning of Speaker 3 cereal. A bunch of copycats came out. Sure after this. But yeah, he started I can't even remember what it was called. Is it Battle Creek, like bakery or something like that. And they started making Kellogg's cereal. And the cornflakes they added cereal to it and added sugar to John. They added sugar to it. And John disowned them. John was so mad, and they actually got into a fierce legal battle. He's like, I bet you work on the seventh day too. I would never do that. Unknown Speaker I would never do that brother. I just put sugar in the cereal. He's like, he's like I had to get another brother to take. Unknown Speaker It's a slippery slope. Well, they got another brother. Unknown Speaker He's like, gotta get it. Yeah, they Speaker 3 got a lot of brothers. This is the 1910s Okay, sorry. Is it gotta get this guy gotta get Jeremiah to take this guy. Speaker 1 That's how close they were as a family to get this guy Speaker 2 Jeremiah to take notes for me and he can't keep up. He's he's he's too far from me. He can't read. He's like he's like he's like you know what you came up with with your bad handwriting. You can't wait to see what he came up with with his bad writing and his inability to hear me he's too far away. Got his fears legal battle Speaker 3 sure on is still making his cornflakes and selling them at the sanitarium. And they're very Speaker 2 I see that look in your eye. I don't you dare, don't you titled to send me the principal's office? Well, I Speaker 2 just say to me, I don't know I just needed to up the ante and let you know how the Speaker 1 principal's office. What are you talking about? Speaking of that, though, Ray's been substitute teaching and she's grading a test. She sent me a picture of this test today. Where it was like you know, Carlos is doing this on a camping trip. Describe what he might need to whenever it's like I write a paragraph is teaching kids how to write paragraphs this kid wrote now there's too much that was his answer he submitted that he submitted nah this too much. He did use the correct with two O's though you know saying hey, I love that that's too much Nah, it's too much Unknown Speaker whatever film your your promo or whatever man for me literally not doing Speaker 1 I'm texting right now. I was I was just texting I got a grade zero idea you will you assume and stuff dude? Speaker 3 I whatever bro. Whatever, bro. Okay, so all right. Speaker 1 Hey guys, I am not even filming on my phone now. Go ahead. Speaker 3 So He started a company and Kellogg's was in the name he was selling the studio with Kellogg in the name. The Sanitarium is the Kellogg Sanitarium. The Kellogg is also selling cornflakes, but their names are both Kellogg their brothers. So they're both called Kellogg and they're selling a very similar comp product. Kellogg? Yeah, one one leads to salvation. Yeah. And so it becomes this decade long legal battle to find out who gets to use the name Kellogg, okay. Which was an interesting situation because they were both Kellogg Kellogg, when when William went and started the cereal company, Kellogg became a household name really quickly because it was like a massive success and everybody was eating Kellogg's cereal. However, John was using the name Kellogg for decades before that with the sanitarium. And he created the cereal, but he didn't patent it or anything. Yep. What ended up happening is the the courts eventually ruled in favor of William because William had greater notoriety even though he was second to the game. He had greater notoriety so he got to keep the name Kellogg's and they Yeah, renamed the brand Kellogg's. And he started making all kinds of cereals and built an empire selling the sinful cereals. And that's what led to society being the way it is today. So the cereal with all this sugar, it's destroying us on the inside. And it goes against everything that John Harvey Kellogg ever wanted, which is probably a good thing because he was a pretty bad person. Great. No, yeah, John, John Harvey Kellogg ended up being like, after this, he went down a spiral. His the sanitarium eventually closed in the 30s got shut down without his brother there to run the business side of things. They went steeply in debt, and then the President hit and then they went even deeper in debt. Sure. He started a couple other foundations that were deeply problematic, dealing with like eugenics type things. And so he ended up really really tarnishing his reputation, while William built up a great reputation for himself. That is really the reason why breakfast looks the way it is today. Him and a battle with the dairy and pork industry basically, is the reason why breakfast is what it is. They all kind of got. Yeah, because bacon bacon. Yeah. And so in Kellogg, and then those two industries got into this battle, because in the dyspepsia era, everybody was like, fighting to be the solution for breakfast. And so everybody was was finding these people to help write these medical journals and reasons why this is the best thing to eat during breakfast. He ended up patenting or not patenting but trademarking and using in his advertising the phrase that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. And it's been in our vocabulary ever since. And he'd kind of, I don't want to say won the battle, because obviously, like, bacon and eggs are still a staple and breakfast. Sure, but I mean, cereal didn't exist before him. And now it's something that is in Yeah, you wake up every breakfast. Yeah, so that war was a big deal. He actually hired Sigmund Freud's brother to help run his marketing. Okay. And his brother, I might do an episode on him. Actually, his brother was a marketing genius, because he just tricked everybody psychology. Oh, sure. He knew how people's brains worked. And he he manipulated them. Yeah. So that can be an interesting one. But yeah, so John Harvey Kellogg, pretty bad person at the end of the day, good person through at the start of the day. Unknown Speaker His motives were just really, Speaker 3 yeah, they were skewed. Yeah. And then Unknown Speaker his brother took the, Speaker 3 you know, took the concept and built a pretty good, good company out of it. Yeah. Kellogg's Unknown Speaker like they own Speaker 3 like, a lot. Yeah, they they own Pringles. Yeah, they're a modern Empire. They own a lot of stuff. Pringles were the same thing. They left it on the table for three days. And that curd Yeah, yeah, just a whole potato. That was it was actually the seventh day it was the seventh day and it's Speaker 1 what they used to do was they were like you know, hands lead to since we gotta get rid of those tubes over there are really it was like, I could put some potato chips in those, you know. Unknown Speaker It's like you can see a lot better if you have Hey guys, I Speaker 1 letting you know that in the end of May. I will be fiddling off the devil in Georgia. So just want to give you guys a heads up about our Speaker 3 things either last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah As in Tim stone follow us on your favorite social media platform at tilam podcast is Ti ll en podcast remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Do you start your day with a bowl of cereal? If so, you have John Harvey Kellogg to thank. Kellogg was a physician, health advocate, and inventor who played a pivotal role in the development of breakfast cereal. But Kellogg’s impact on the world went far beyond breakfast. In this blog post, we’ll explore the life and legacy of John … Read More