Colorado River – How Ineptitude and Greed is Making California Thirsty

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Unknown Speaker 0:00 Hey man, what's up? Why are you sitting like that? Like why? You're like a news anchor on his first day. It was pretty accurate will be Unknown Speaker 0:16 why is your watch so big? Unknown Speaker 0:19 What a weird dream you're having when you're talking about one of my watch so beard eyes I'm just here to do a podcast. Unknown Speaker 0:32 It feels a geared up and puff and blow my house down. Unknown Speaker 0:37 No. Unknown Speaker 0:41 Okay. I also love question. Have you ever heard of the Colorado River? Unknown Speaker 0:52 Okay. Yes. Unknown Speaker 0:56 Have you heard of the Colorado? Is Unknown Speaker 0:57 that their triple A baseball team? The Colorado River. Unknown Speaker 1:01 Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, that's pretty. So we should be. Unknown Speaker 1:05 We should bleep that too. Then I guess sense. Go ahead and buy a minor league or minor league? Grand Canyon? Unknown Speaker 1:14 No. Have you heard of the Colorado River Compact? No. Yeah. It's a new compact car. From our planet Unknown Speaker 1:23 AAA minor league baseball team. Our merchandise is, you know, either one of those little like little fans just like so cheap. Or a car. No. in between. We don't sell. Yeah, compact car. That's true. Yeah, we're not like, rip. Unknown Speaker 1:40 We're not monsters. Tent the Grand Canyon. Definitely a museum. So at this point in time, 1922. Unknown Speaker 1:52 People didn't know why. They took all the water. Oh, sorry. I was watching the office. Okay, what else? Do you know about how Unknown Speaker 2:01 he doesn't have any hair on the Unknown Speaker 2:05 things I learned last night? Unknown Speaker 2:14 Colorado River Compact. Unknown Speaker 2:16 Yeah. I feel like I need to mention this. Unknown Speaker 2:19 Okay. Please do then. Unknown Speaker 2:23 Before we get too far ahead. Here's the deal. There is a Unknown Speaker 2:34 no, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. Okay, I would just say, go for it. But I'll say the after the fiddle. Okay. No. Okay. So the Colorado River. Here's the Colorado River. I'll show you a picture of it. So in case you don't know, it's a big river that goes from Colorado, to the Gulf of California. Okay. And it's existed for a long time throughout history, if you will, for history. Because Unknown Speaker 3:14 what is what is water was is that okay? Is that just the site that this came from? Unknown Speaker 3:21 And I'm gonna be honest, I don't know. I don't I got this from Google images. So Unknown Speaker 3:25 okay. It just says pacific ocean water woes, and I was like it was water was a label or is that it? Makes sense. Unknown Speaker 3:32 I know that came from okay. I know their point. But I don't. Unknown Speaker 3:36 Oh, is it that the Colorado River is drying up? Yeah, it definitely Unknown Speaker 3:39 is. But yes, the Colorado river runs through Colorado, Utah. Sure. Arizona, Nevada, California. Unknown Speaker 3:46 carve the Grand Canyon. Unknown Speaker 3:49 And that's what they want you Unknown Speaker 3:51 it's the river at the bottom of Grand Canyon. Yes, it is. Yeah. Okay. Unknown Speaker 3:54 And then wants you to believe the Colorado River did that. Okay, Unknown Speaker 4:02 have you been? We've been we went to the Grand Canyon together. Unknown Speaker 4:04 Yeah. Yeah. Have you been to the wiki? Yes. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 4:08 So we also probably when we took that trip to Durango where you almost ruined my car. We probably drove by the Grand Canyon or the Colorado River then actually no, we didn't know we stayed underneath it there. Yeah. But surely at some point, one of our travels we drove I know I've seen it in Colorado. Okay. Unknown Speaker 4:26 Here's the deal. It's not real. Unknown Speaker 4:28 No, my number one complaint with that theory about the Grand Canyon Colorado River thing. No, that's Unknown Speaker 4:33 what Hold on. The theory which theory that the that it did or did not carve the Grand Canyon that car the Grand Canyon. Yeah. You have an issue with that. Okay, okay, go ahead. Unknown Speaker 4:47 Because why there and nowhere else? What's unique to the Grand Canyon versus the rest of the route of the Colorado River. That made it carves the Grand Canyon there, then nowhere US Riddle me this Batman. Unknown Speaker 5:06 I don't have time to give you a typography lesson or a, a lesson in how different landscapes and different heights create different water pressures. And then the level of the water and different elevations. I don't have time to do all this. Unknown Speaker 5:26 I don't buy it. I don't buy it. It's not a believable story to me. I think it was like a Salton Sea scenario. Like there was a big ocean there and then we dropped the nuke and it would happen and try it out. You know, probably Unknown Speaker 5:37 happen. Yeah. Let's be real. Yeah. Was in. In Arizona, right? Yeah, there was a bear. A lot of cocaine. That bear just started started. And a docked out Unknown Speaker 5:55 for 2.8 million. And it's down there somewhere. He's still digging a little hat on a miner's hat. Unknown Speaker 6:05 And he's down there and he's digging the Grand Canyon here. You know, my favorite thing about the Grand Canyon is with you. Is the time that you just assumed there was a diner that I've never I know we've talked about on the podcast before but I've never seen Tim so angry in my entire life just make sense when we got up there it just makes it there's no like he was expecting like a local waffle house to be up there. Yeah, and there's not there is a lodge that serves basic hotel breakfast food. And then there is a McDonald's now, I don't know if you can imagine because of the way elevation works. How difficult it is to get product to that McDonald's but Unknown Speaker 6:47 because Asian is just distant from everything. Look at okay, Unknown Speaker 6:51 if you're like, Oh, why did a car there and not everywhere else along the route? Okay, why don't you look at the elevation difference between Northern Arizona there and the elevation diversity in lower Arizona. Once you look at what Unknown Speaker 7:02 what do you mean? What do you mean? In this picture? It's more north for sure. You're taking the flat Unknown Speaker 7:06 earth thing to a completely new level. I'm saying we get up all the way to the Grand Canyon. It costs a lot for McDonald's to ship anything there. So therefore they have to charge a lot more. Unknown Speaker 7:19 Okay, they had to charge maybe 30 cents. And today's highs were about to rip up maybe. And easy racing Unknown Speaker 7:27 bags because he's like, I can't believe he's yelling at McDonald's employees. I can't believe a MIG DeBell is for does it was $8 first of all dollars for breakfast sandwich. Unknown Speaker 7:44 It's the freakin it's the airport effect because you're on the other side of the gate. They know you have no other options. It's like you can eat this this cheap bad hotel breakfast, or you can come to McDonald's and pay triple what you would anywhere else. We're just still a quarter of the price of any bra. I'm not gonna lie. It was absurd. I'm still not Unknown Speaker 8:10 that mad. Here's what I was upset about is that someone had a drone. We watched the we drove through the night to watch the sunrise at the Grand Canyon. Somebody had a word of we wake up that we will come to California woke up in California. We went to Vegas and then drove through the night. Yeah, it was a long night. All right, don't try to justify yourself. All right, you became a little Karen. I 23. The drone comes at me. It's beautiful. Picture sunrise, the Grand Canyon, right? And it's like you're on this road trip with your friends early 20s. You're like, oh my gosh, we're gonna live forever, you know, and you see the sunrise and you're coming to reality with the fact that this canyon has been around for millennia. Right? And it's been carved so slowly by the Colorado River. By that Colorado bear. And it's been a you know, and you're just faced with nature, and then you just hear Zach you know, and this little day and he's getting a drone shot of the sunrise and you weren't mad. You were like I wasn't you were like that's annoying, but whatever. No, it was funny $12 Hamburger loses Unknown Speaker 9:22 his mind because that was obscene that Unknown Speaker 9:24 would have kept telling you that angry before Unknown Speaker 9:27 that was just that that's what it was. That wasn't a scene display of capitalism. And Unknown Speaker 9:32 I thought you were all for that. No, I here's the thing. If they're at the top of the they should be able to charge for everyone and if I don't want it I don't have to pay for it. Unknown Speaker 9:40 I mean whatever bro. Oh my gosh watched. Wow. Welcome to day two of the newsroom. Unknown Speaker 9:48 I don't want it I don't have to pay for it. Oh Unknown Speaker 9:50 my god. That's how it works. Tim No, it's not that's it's taking advantage. The other side of the Unknown Speaker 9:56 Republic Tim Oh my Unknown Speaker 9:58 gosh. I'm just saying the stove with its gas. Unknown Speaker 10:03 Okay, move on. Okay, so the rivers drying up. Yeah. So here's the deal carved the Grand Canyon. You hate that theory? It's debatable, you know, literally not, but go ahead. It's Unknown Speaker 10:15 debatable. And say it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. No, it's the Colorado River. Here's the deal. You're right. It's, it's drying up. That's what's happening. And it's a it's a predictable problem that has done nothing but get worse and worse, that we don't have a solution for. And it's scary. And I'm gonna scare you for a little bit. Are you ready? Sure. Before we do, Unknown Speaker 10:42 I do love these episodes of like the Loeb episode where you're like, I'm gonna like scare you with horror stuff. And then now I'm just gonna scare you with dull, boring ring stats that are equally terrifying. Unknown Speaker 10:59 So, okay, so check this out. All right. All right. As as you know, are your air pods out? There? We're uncomfortable in my pocket. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. As you know, Unknown Speaker 11:14 put your pots away. What are you doing right now, Unknown Speaker 11:15 when I research this stuff? What do you stop it? Unknown Speaker 11:21 I've got a moment I'm trying to Unknown Speaker 11:24 do your monologue as Unknown Speaker 11:29 every night, as I'm prepping for an episode last night, I research a lot of Wikipedia. Sometimes, I research more than just Wikipedia, I take looks at other sources and water. That could be Wikipedia articles. That could be newspaper or other sources, academic journals, if you will. Usually not those. Or what happens sometimes is I take a look at YouTube. Bah, bah bah, gay and this very scenario, I looked at a video from a creator named real life lor, who I've actually now watched a lot of videos from very captivating. Great content. Definitely 10 out of 10 recommend. Okay, and I just want to play you. You don't even have to see it. Just the audio clip. From like three seconds of this video. You'll understand why. It's very important to me. Already, Unknown Speaker 12:34 sir. Here we go. bar to the contrary, California's water problem is an ancient one that goes Unknown Speaker 12:53 this is the first time I felt like a part of the community. Unknown Speaker 12:55 You found it. You found a YouTuber. This community an ancient Unknown Speaker 13:04 ancient Yeah, baby put it on a shirt. It's not just me. I'm not the only Ancient One. D anxious one of the oddest. This whole top. Unknown Speaker 13:22 You there was a problem with our new we have brand new equipment. Yeah, and there was a problem getting the audio to work. And Tim was like, I used to do the audio for this episode. I'm really gonna need to use the audio. Like Alex, if we can figure it out. I'm gonna really need to use the audio for this episode. And I guarantee that was the only thing he's gonna use audio for anything else? Unknown Speaker 13:39 No, that was, honestly, we can fiddle off the episode. This is why I brought the Unknown Speaker 13:43 Colorado River. No, yeah, he would dry it up. Unknown Speaker 13:47 So the Colorado River Compact because we got to take it back to 19 2200 years plus one ago. Okay. Unknown Speaker 13:55 Sure. 101 years ago, Unknown Speaker 13:58 one for every Dalmatian. Unknown Speaker 14:00 So at this point in time, 1922. Unknown Speaker 14:04 People didn't know a lot. I mean, like they did, they made decisions, but they didn't make decisions. They they weren't thinking like how's it going to hurt people in 100 years is true. And capitalism was really roaring and people still don't do that. But they were doing it way worse back in the 1900s. Yeah, this Unknown Speaker 14:19 was the roaring 20s where there was this idea that you can use as much as you want, and you're never going to run out. Yeah. Except for the people who did this compact. Base said, Wait a second. We got this Colorado River, and it's providing water to all of these states. Yeah. And that's a lot. And as some of these states, like California expands, they're drawing more and more water. Yeah. And we don't want them to take all of our water. And so all these upper basin states, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and parts of Arizona, we're like we need to make sure that California has this to lower water from us, basically is the idea. Okay. And so they said, we'll create a compact, which was just a pact. I don't know why they added a column to it. Is that where a patch came from? is packed. Is making a pack that compact but you just shorted it. You compacted the contact. Interesting. Yeah. Wow, I'm learning so many words. So they made a Unknown Speaker 15:26 pact photo shortly for fiddled, Unknown Speaker 15:31 they made a pact which is short for to distribute the water evenly amongst them. There's a couple of things that play with this before you include it or just those the states that are in these upper basin, no upper and lower basin. Anything that's within the little swatches you see here, okay. They were like, Hey, guys, yeah, let's Unknown Speaker 15:50 make a deal. They named after us, but we're gonna split it evenly. They said. They said bankers, Colin, Colorado gets 51% though, Unknown Speaker 15:58 gotta get to the 1%. Now, they said bankers, Colin, you could open up another case. Or you could take the deal. Unknown Speaker 16:06 And okay. And how he was like, this is a lot of money. Unknown Speaker 16:11 He was did the double fingerprint. Or you could, you could see what's in this case, in this case, or, or he always did that. What's his deal? It's almost like his hands are like a little Marriott. They're like they're tied together. Unknown Speaker 16:25 Yeah. You know, I was listening to the Unknown Speaker 16:29 real it's up for debate. Unknown Speaker 16:36 There's no way that Colorado River bade that guy Unknown Speaker 16:41 ever said, Unknown Speaker 16:46 Hey, thanks for checking out things other than last night. If you're enjoying this, we have a ton of episodes. We've been doing this for a few years now. So make sure you go back check them out. My current favorite is Elmer McCurdy. It's a story about a guy who was born in 1890, died in 1910. and was buried in 1976, which is just weird. The story is absolutely bonkers. I don't want to give too much away. But it was a super fun one. We loved it. Make sure you check that one out. But again, thanks for checking out things like last night. Unknown Speaker 17:20 You know that that episode, that first episode? If you heard the story, that of what? Unknown Speaker 17:34 Okay, how he did that episode. And he thought this was the end of his career. Like he took this deal because he was ready to retire. And he did not think his career was going anywhere else. And because at the time TV was different, I guess. Yes. And doing something like that was like the end of that was a career like, and so he's like, Yeah, I'm hosting a game show. Now. That's I'm sailing off into the sunset, my career is over. And he did not have a good attitude about it did not think it was gonna be great. He did the show. And he did that in that first episode. There was a lady who kind of he, he tells the stories, because like, she was kind of in the heat of the moment, like getting excited and turning down these deals, and they were lots of money. And he's like, I knew her story, because I like got to know her. And that would have changed the life you eat. And so he was trying really hard like to tell her to take the money. And so the whole his whole shtick that ended up becoming his stick through the whole series was because that first episode, he was genuinely being like, now listen, this is a lot of Unknown Speaker 18:35 his money you that you need. Unknown Speaker 18:39 Do you want to take the deal? Or open up another and he was like, he was like, I was talking to her like she was a child because I wanted to break through the heat of that moment for her like, I'm on TV. I'm in the show. Here's how I'm in debt. Like, it'd be like, real money. Yeah. And then did she lose a lot of money? I don't know what happened in that episode. But he said that after it like he immediately went on vacation because he didn't want to see it. He's like, he's like this the, the dying thing I do with my career. It was primetime TV, though. Yeah. And then it got like 9 million views on primetime first night and like was huge, massive it we all. And producers were like, I don't know what you were doing when you hosted that but do it in every episode. And he was like, you may try to talk people out of toxic sins. From Yeah, yeah, it was he was not like the way it was written wasn't for him to act the way he did, because he was genuinely. What's Unknown Speaker 19:32 interesting, though, is that I bet that made them not want to do it. Like maybe like maybe it was one of those like they're on a game show. And the host is like hey, and like that almost to them was like that. They wouldn't do that if there was, you know, you don't say like he was just like, please take the money. Unknown Speaker 19:54 It's like It's like your rich entrepreneur friend being like that. A million dollars is a lot of money and you being like, I want my gender Unknown Speaker 19:59 like I want my jet. Unknown Speaker 20:02 Yeah, yeah. So anyways, that's some free deal. trivia for you. Unknown Speaker 20:06 Yeah. What else? Do you know about how Unknown Speaker 20:10 he doesn't have any hair on the top? Unknown Speaker 20:20 Okay, so the upper basin, cheese. MTV was his idea also like that if anybody sees the clueless no context picture of the Colorado River on the screen. You heard no deal. Like if we clip that we're like, yeah, the whole story on the screen is just Colorado Unknown Speaker 20:56 for no reason. Reason, oh, I guess it was guys like the Colorado River Unknown Speaker 21:02 feds. So here's what they did. They said, they said, Okay. There's a couple of things at play here. First is, who had it first, whoever got it first gets to keep it the most. That was the words that they used. And they said, California, you got it last. And so we get into the flow of the river, no, like whoever had the rights first, like literally had rights to it first. And so people, naturally, people further along, because of the way western expansion worked. Colorado got to the Colorado River first because they were there first. And they claimed rights to it first. And so basically, people in the upper basin had higher rights to the water because they had rights to begin with, okay, the people in the lower basin. And so the idea was if there was ever a situation where things started to dry up, upper basin has rights over lower basin. And so the lower basin is going to have to figure something else out for and we get our water because our water and we're just kind of sharing it with you because it's spilling down the side of the Unknown Speaker 22:03 world or the leftover Colorado River. Unknown Speaker 22:07 The other thing that was at play was they said because of this, because it does kind of flow through your stuff. Also. You can have some of it, but we're going to try to evenly distribute it based upon need. And so they came up with this algorithm of sorts, it wasn't another day, but they divided they divvied it up based upon a couple things. One, they had a group called Unknown Speaker 22:37 Kalam refer corpse because I Unknown Speaker 22:41 remember Corp beta group called River company. The company Unknown Speaker 22:50 river Corp came and they did the math to figure out how much water flow to the Colorado River in a year. Sure. And they said we're pretty sure it's about 15 million acre feet of water a year close to the Colorado River. Okay, lots of water. And because politics the politicians in that were involved in this said, call it 16.5 So that way we can give a little bit to Mexico and make them feel like oh, we get some water too. And so they're like okay, 16 point 5 million acre feet of water is gonna fly right here. Okay. And what they did is that extra 1.5 They gave to Mexico and they're like you can have 1.5 million acre feet and Unknown Speaker 23:37 now they have 13 Five to split the rest now they have 15 Because they Unknown Speaker 23:41 raised the number artificially, Unknown Speaker 23:43 okay. Unknown Speaker 23:47 And that other 15 they split down the middle 7.5 to the upper basin 7.5 the lower basin and then they within those they split up percentages based upon need in those regions or so in the upper basin 51% went to Colorado 23% to Utah 14% to Wyoming 11% in New Mexico and point 7% to that little corner of Arizona that's in the upper basin and then in the lower basin 58% to California 37% to Arizona and 4% to Nevada. So everybody got their little percentage of water. Mexico got 1.5 million feet acre feet of water and everybody was happy we're all getting water right? Unknown Speaker 24:32 Wrong. Bad bad Unknown Speaker 24:35 because he's because there's a couple things obviously they artificially inflated that number Unknown Speaker 24:39 right and there's still a bear on the loose Unknown Speaker 24:42 carpet up the drinking so he gets thirsty now that's a big game. We Unknown Speaker 24:49 found him his belly was just full of water full of Colorado water. He Unknown Speaker 24:54 was a bloated Mayor So Colorado River water no the He, Unknown Speaker 25:02 when they took this sample to figure out how much water is going through, yeah, was 1922. Yeah, they Unknown Speaker 25:07 didn't know how to count back then. Unknown Speaker 25:09 How to come up with numbers yet? No, they the issue was at that time did they miss counted? No. But at that time, the American Southwest wasn't what we would later learn was the wettest season in probably 500 years, and the American Southwest. Oh, and so they said that the average would be 15 acre feet a year, 50 million acre feet a million, but that was based on that year, which was the wettest in like 500 years. What was probably what we know now was the more realistic average would be around 12 to 13 million acre feet a year. Okay. And so they were off by three to five are three to 4 million acre feet a year and then they inflated that by an extra 1.5 million so they could give some to Mexico Sure. And make themselves look good, I guess? I don't know. So they were grossly over allocating what they had to begin with. This was when things were good. Something that they also didn't anticipate was the American Southwest being what it is because this was the 20s. La was there and LA was rapidly expanding. And this is the reason for the compact. Yeah, but other than that, all the other major cities that we have in here, Phoenix, Denver Vegas, were all smaller cities, especially Vegas. Vegas, wasn't even on the map. Like it was like a little trading outpost. Nobody had the idea that any of these cities would become what they ended up becoming one day and require as much water as they end up requiring one day or have things like the Bellagio fountain just squirting water all the time. Nobody had the foresight. You Unknown Speaker 26:58 know how the Bellagio works, right? Yeah, it's Unknown Speaker 27:00 yeah, it's a cycle. You know, it's like a pump. No. Okay, tell me. Unknown Speaker 27:06 I mean, it is. Yeah, it's Howie Mandel. And they're just everyday spitting in it. That's just how he read they'll spit that's all it is. It's gross. Unknown Speaker 27:18 It just backstrokes out to the middle of the Bellagio. Unknown Speaker 27:30 He thought Deal or No Deal was the end of his career Unknown Speaker 27:38 no Unknown Speaker 27:41 it was a respect on his name. That's how we Mendell. Succeed. Okay, no, but the Bellagio that water is evaporating so they can't just Oh, really? Michael? Unknown Speaker 27:58 Yeah. In Vegas it is interested in? Unknown Speaker 28:01 Yeah, so there's actually a process that they've got and I can't quote it to you remember it right now, but I we should look that up in a little bit. But I know they figured it out. But they really did. They did figure it out. And I I don't want to say something to be wrong. So I'm gonna wait and maybe we could do Unknown Speaker 28:18 a whole podcast. I do that in every episode. I know. Unknown Speaker 28:20 And I I read the YouTube comments. So like, chill. But we could do it. You could do a whole mini episode on the Bellagio fountain. Interesting. Yeah, so they just stay tuned. If you want to see that many episodes, you should subscribe to the podcast on YouTube and also wherever you're listening again, maybe you support us on Patreon because our listenership is a lot like the water in that it's slowly dying. Unknown Speaker 28:46 We have to put more in or else we lose it. I can't keep downloading is taking all of our listeners. We don't know what to do with them. Unknown Speaker 28:58 So be careful out there. They're gonna find you. California's Kevin, where do you tell the listeners watch out for the California. They're gonna take Yeah, we should cut like they take everything. He's lost it. Like they take everything. Okay, so they how so now it's the average is 12 million. Trillions gallons. How many gallons is that? Unknown Speaker 29:30 Gosh, a lot. Okay. Unknown Speaker 29:33 Don't worry about looking at the number. Too late now. All right. So the Bellagio right? So the detection of the toilet water that flushes down and you've been one Unknown Speaker 29:44 acre foot? Water is 325,000 gallons. Oh, so we're talking million acre feet. So we're talking trillions of gallons cool. Can you imagine carrying those groceries in. Unknown Speaker 30:02 Okay, so yeah, what's happened in that? What's the average now? Unknown Speaker 30:06 So so now it's a more complicated situation because Unknown Speaker 30:10 because Phoenix is Phoenix now Phoenix is grown. Phoenix Unknown Speaker 30:13 is huge. LA is huge. San Diego is huge. Vegas is huge. Denver is huge. Even Salt Lake City is getting big. And even cities like Grand Junction are drawing from the river and the amount of water that's flowing through. So there's a lot of cities drawing on it. But more than that, there are a ridiculous amount of farmers that are drawing on it and using it for agriculture. And they're using significantly more per capita water than everybody in the cities are using. Because you know, they got a farm. Yeah, if you don't water a plant, it dies Unknown Speaker 30:56 Do you have the dead one somewhere? There it is. She's saving its life in our Athletic Greens bottle. Athletic Greens bring life Unknown Speaker 31:17 just $5 a month you can support the plans Unknown Speaker 31:35 wake up every day. Looking for water. Tim doesn't Unknown Speaker 31:46 my wife pick these plans out for our office and I haven't done a good job of taking care of you killed them. Well, that one's you. Murder. That one's doing all right. That one's fine. This one's doing. Unknown Speaker 31:57 That one's not doing well. Unknown Speaker 31:59 That one's fine. This one is this one is it's struggling. But it's not. Yeah, I Unknown Speaker 32:04 could get that one up there. And make it I mean, I Unknown Speaker 32:07 don't know Katie might be saving it right now. Okay, well, Unknown Speaker 32:09 he's over here doing CPR. And Unknown Speaker 32:17 I know you don't do the mouse thing anymore, do you? You don't. Wow. Do what do you think this is 2004? You don't do the math thing and CPR and you're not CPR certified? I don't know. I'm CPR certified. Are you really? Yeah. Unknown Speaker 32:28 Want to do it real quick? Yeah, Unknown Speaker 32:31 let's practice. Unknown Speaker 32:32 Yeah. Well, somebody drowned real quick. Yeah, it's for it's for a bit. Unknown Speaker 32:40 Yeah, a little bit good content. All right. Unknown Speaker 32:46 Hey, thanks again for being here for this episode. If you want to help us make more of these, we have a patreon you can support us on. We don't make money from this. Personally, all the money from Patreon goes straight back into our show helps us to create better episodes good or better production quality. But more than anything, we're just so glad that you're here. So thank you so much for supporting our show. And if you want early access to be part of our Discord, please consider supporting us on Patreon. But other than that, we sort of say thanks again. Unknown Speaker 33:17 We didn't talk about Colorado River. So the farmers are trying to drive the farmers are drawing a lot of water as well. Okay. And this has over time ballooned the amount of usage sure, because as the agricultural industry in this area has grown, more farmers come in and use it. Yeah, as the cities have grown, obviously, more people are using water. And in each of these cities, industrial areas have grown, that use a lot of water to create whatever their product is. And so the difference in water usage from 1922 Two today is gigantic. It's almost almost unquantifiable. And I say almost like I have a number but I don't have a number. So my purpose is unquantifiable. I'm sure some scientists somewhere has it quantified but I know it's a big difference is the point. Okay. Another thing that's important about this region is the American Southwest is a desert, the whole region. Yeah. And they oscillate it oscillates between seasons of drought and seasons of like monsoon seasons. And so each year, you're gonna see vastly different levels of rainfall. And the way the Colorado River works, I guess we should talk about the ancient Colorado River for a second. The way the river starts up here at the tip of the Rocky Mountains. And it's pretty much I should say all but a major major source of it is snow runoff from the top of the Rocky Mountains, and then that snow takes a little Road Trip all over the mountain cough of California. God said, Unknown Speaker 35:06 big Yeah, but how? How do mountains form? Unknown Speaker 35:09 Whatever mountains? Yeah, it's runoff. No, no, no, Unknown Speaker 35:12 not the water. How do mountains form Tim? Why did mountains formed in Colorado and not in Arizona? The way that they are in Colorado? Unknown Speaker 35:22 Plate tectonics is the plates. Okay, like you try this at home takes the units from your cabinet. So you understand that push them together. Okay, and watch them get bigger. Sure. So Unknown Speaker 35:33 then the water would come off that elevated. Yes. Surface. Yeah. And run down runoff. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't think that would? Cause of that force? Unknown Speaker 35:46 It would, but it wouldn't create the Grand Canyon. That's too much. Unknown Speaker 35:50 She was so close. You're so dumb. You sheep you Unknown Speaker 36:00 know, so. Unknown Speaker 36:05 I know it was a bear down. Unknown Speaker 36:06 No, it's really funny what? I said that not Ironically, when I went to braid with Bree, to the grandkids all Unknown Speaker 36:13 your wife was stupid sheep. No. Stupid sheep. I said that not ironically. We were having an argument and I said, you stupid sheep. Unknown Speaker 36:23 No, I said that. Not ironically, at the grade kin. I walked out there. And we reverted this. We had the brochures and she was reading. It was like the Colorado River carved this out whatever million years ago. And I was like, No way. And then the rest of the day. We kept hearing, like conspiracy theorists be like, Yeah, can you believe they think the Colorado River did this? I was like, God, dang it. I'm not one of them. Am I but I don't buy it. I do not buy Unknown Speaker 36:49 or not one of them. I'm not stupid. But they have a point. But I agree with everything they're saying is right. Yeah. Like I'm not one of them. I'm not Unknown Speaker 36:59 one of them. But they can be right about one thing. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 37:04 Maybe two, maybe maybe two things you think okay, maybe a lot of things. You know, Unknown Speaker 37:09 I What shape is the earth, Unknown Speaker 37:11 okay? All right. So, Canyon truthers. Unknown Speaker 37:17 And what happens is some years have a little less snow because it was a drier year than the year before. And so then that means that summer, the Colorado has less runoff and less flow. And it's it's in this perpetual state of oscillation. Sure. Because of the Colorado River Compact, all of these states and cities and municipalities are supposed to get 7.5. They know what they get, and they take it no matter what that year looked like. And on top of that, Unknown Speaker 37:46 the because they divided it on acreage, instead of percentage of what the flow actually is true. Unknown Speaker 37:52 Yes, there's a total amount that you get, and not a percentage. Yeah. And so every year, they're taking that amount, even though it might not be there that year. And it never was, because it was an exaggerated number to begin with. And so we have historically since the 20s been pulling more out of the Colorado River than the Colorado River had to pull out of. And this is becoming a massive issue for a few reasons. Unknown Speaker 38:16 Okay, because it's a Ponzi scheme. It is a it is a national forest Ponzi scheme. Unknown Speaker 38:26 That's pretty accurate. Yeah. So there's a problem for a couple of reasons. One, obviously, a lot of people aren't gonna be getting their water. Here's Lake Mead, which is the lake that serves the Hoover Dam. It's drying up. This is connected to the that's the year what year 2000 Yeah, the year 2000 On the left is just 20 years 22 on the right. It's basically just one year difference. Yeah, it's the how rapidly This is drying up right now is absurd. Because what happened in 1999 was a record drought one that drought ran on until 2003. And there was a wet year but in 2004, there was a drought that ran on again until 2009 Which then there was a two year wet year but because these droughts started extending the wet year couldn't keep up with how much it had drained from the reserves. So there's these there's these reservoirs all along it that okay, function as always to give us a backup if there's not a wet year, but because the dry years are getting the dry years are starting to be not just a dry year but 2345 years in a row that are dry, it can't keep up and it's getting drier faster. And so it leads us to the point where Unknown Speaker 39:41 so Oh, hold on though. I just want to make a quick Unknown Speaker 39:52 Yeah, bring your mic over so I can hear you. Can you stretch your Unknown Speaker 40:00 So, for the audio isn't on point of the TV right now. Yeah, he's stood up. So this right here. Yeah, this is now dry, right? Yes. Yeah. What would you call that area? Unknown Speaker 40:09 Yeah, that's to say that that's a dry lake bed. Unknown Speaker 40:12 That's a Troy lake bed. See, look, you're proving my point. Otherwise, no. And Unknown Speaker 40:16 my point here, let me tell you Sure. God, I've always said this for On this episode, but I have showed up at the Grand Canyon. Definitely a beauty Museum. You're not Unknown Speaker 40:26 just single. Well, you're saying is? So this is technically left? A Canyon, correct? Yes. But that's it. Thank you the journal. No further questions. Thank you. Unknown Speaker 40:40 People in our studio. Unknown Speaker 40:46 Great, I'm glad you asked. Stop. So. So here's this is this is about acreage, right. I'm gonna do like a weatherman. So. You're like there's water here? Unknown Speaker 41:04 Yeah, I see. Yeah. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 41:06 But if this is all dry, leaving a vast cavern? Yeah. left in the world. Yeah, that's just a canyon now. Unknown Speaker 41:15 I mean, yes. But not if Unknown Speaker 41:17 that were to be a large enough space. Would we maybe call it Unknown Speaker 41:24 that? Because the deal is the deal. I get what you're trying to say. The point is, it's not the Colorado River. This is a reservoir. This is a lake that was here. And they filled it up with water because they put an artificial dam in the way. I'm saying the aliens put an artificial dam in the way the Grand Canyon, filled it up. And then the sea dried up the Grand Canyon. See, that used to be the dry downs with you? I'm not saying it was Aliens, but I'm saying that there's no way it was just the river sunk for a bunch of years. There was there was a What do Unknown Speaker 41:58 you mean? sunk. dug a hole? No one I don't think Okay. Okay. There had to be. demonstrate this on like a small scale, right? You know, that we can like, Unknown Speaker 42:11 says if you make it bigger, it's gonna be alright, look at this. Look at this. You're not gonna convince me it's not true. Unknown Speaker 42:21 You are. Unknown Speaker 42:25 Okay, so look, here's another example. This is Hoover Dam. Between 22,020 21 Unknown Speaker 42:32 They don't have that little boat there anymore, do they? Unknown Speaker 42:35 Not? Yeah, not an option anymore. Again, a massive difference. This is this is concerning for another reason. along the Colorado River, there's a lot of these hydroelectric dams, Hoover Dam is like the most famous one, you'll see. There's a lot of these. As this water level lowers, Unknown Speaker 42:52 they will do all the work. So they will be able to create power there is Unknown Speaker 42:55 there's a point, which we're about, I think it's 80 or 90 feet. So it seems like a lot, but this is 20 years the difference. And that's easily way over 80 or 90 feet, where we're gonna be below the turbines, and the dam won't be able to produce power. Yeah. Which is where the majority of the power comes from for Las Vegas. And this is the story for a lot of cities along the Colorado River, who are getting a major source of their power from these hydroelectric dams that are now sinking. Unknown Speaker 43:30 What should I not drink this, then? Well, we're Unknown Speaker 43:34 not over there. So we're not taking process and we're not a part of the golf. Unknown Speaker 43:39 Okay. This that stresses me out. Unknown Speaker 43:42 Yeah. Isn't that crazy? So not only are we nearing a state where there's not enough water to go around for just drinking, and like our industry and agriculture, we're going into a situation that is not enough for power. And so it's nearing a situation where not only like, it's dangerous for a lot of reasons. And the thing that I think needs Unknown Speaker 44:05 to collapse in like 20 years. And by that I mean like literally our whole country. Like do you think this whole system we have is not going to last question is what's the point of doing a podcast? Here's what's the point of listening to this. Here's the thing you're driving in your car right now think about the fact that your car's not going to work you know, it can save you here's the thing, there's nothing you can do is the thing that they give out there's no power in your hands. It's over baby had a good run. Unknown Speaker 44:33 That is an interesting point because you might be watching this and saying well I live in the lower basin Unknown Speaker 44:38 How can I help we have a lot of lower base aliens I may take shorter showers I've been trying to reach out to splice and but we just we could Unknown Speaker 44:46 I could get rid of my lawn and do one of those like desert landscapes really Unknown Speaker 44:50 it's not Unknown Speaker 44:51 know if you can get a million people in LA to drastically change their lifestyle and and want to make a dent in this problem. It is such a massive issue where it has to be pretty much the whole, or it's not going to do anything until the sweeping changes are going into effect Unknown Speaker 45:08 where changes are happening. Unknown Speaker 45:09 So a few years ago committee got together and they basically Unknown Speaker 45:13 told the committee thank goodness. Yeah, yeah. Unknown Speaker 45:17 They basically said, Hey, California farmers, a bunch of you don't get any more water. Because they are leaning on this compact that said, upper basin gets the rights. And so if there's ever an issue, we get priority. And so Colorado or California, you guys are using a lot per capita that isn't fair. And so you're using more than you should be allotted. And so you're so they started making them fallow do fallow years where they basically let their land dry up one year, and the next year, they could farm it. So they had a full year where they want to use their land. Yikes. issue at that is getting that land to bounce back and actually dry it up doesn't work. Oh, well. Yeah, it's gonna take years. So most of these farms are are starting to go under. And yeah, that happened in Arizona. That happened in California Unknown Speaker 46:08 immediately cutting revenue in half. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Unknown Speaker 46:13 Well, it was it is as they paid them, they said we'll pay for your follow year. And so we'll pay you what you ever you would have made. And then the next year, you can go ahead. And Unknown Speaker 46:21 oh, I guess that's fair. Money's made up? Unknown Speaker 46:24 No, because then the next year, they can't farm. Because the the farms not bouncing back in one year. Okay. So what happened is they started doing this. Unknown Speaker 46:36 They were like, Whew, that was a bad idea. Sorry, guys, a bunch of farms Unknown Speaker 46:38 shut down. And this year, they started actually saying we can't give water to this district at all anymore. You have no water for farming. And so obviously, that literally forced them out. They aren't able to farm in that area anymore. A couple big impacts that I think were maybe overlooked, or maybe under valued. Were, what these farms do, because a lot of these farms are alfalfa farms. Which feed livestock. Yeah. And are exported. And so this is having a this is putting a strain on the livestock industry. Yep, not just here. But in China. China's a huge export, Japan is a huge export. And so it's constraining those industries as well. And so this is starting to have an impact that's much bigger than just sure southwest into the effect on on the economy. Well, yeah, but Unknown Speaker 47:41 I mean, I'm saying like that's, that's what what, you know, when COVID happens? The whole system relies on itself. Unknown Speaker 47:49 Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's like, the Bronze Age collapse episode we did is okay. It's all just kind of balanced on itself. And what a great one thing that you said that, yeah, that's great. And everything else kind of starts to fail? Well, anyway, Unknown Speaker 48:05 you know, if you're having a bad day, hope that made it worse. Unknown Speaker 48:10 So anyways, the whole point of the story is the Colorado River is in a very scary moment right now. And I think that people in the southwest I know about this, they've heard about it, it's been pretty public. What is scary is if you watch the news, and like, broadcasts about the problem. Sure, it's always given this happy spin. Because most of the cities where the broadcast is coming from, they have a backup plan, they have a another source of water. So the Colorado River can dry up, and there may be a change, there may be a situation where Scottsdale doesn't get to have green lawns anymore. But at the end of the day, you're not going to die. Like you're still gonna have water to drink. Okay. The farms that feed you are going to shut down. Yes, that's not being talked about. In the power plant. I'm thinking about the hydroelectric dams being talked about, I'm Unknown Speaker 49:05 thinking about how that water produce prices. Unknown Speaker 49:08 Oh, totally. Unknown Speaker 49:09 It affects all of us. Totally. Unknown Speaker 49:10 It will it. That's what Unknown Speaker 49:13 I'm trying to say too, is that the system is so built in on itself. But problems are not localized anymore. So it's like, that's not just the Southwest problem. Because the system is so like a, like an arch of rocks. You know, it's not one rock that holds it for the whole thing is built in together. You pull any one of those rocks out the whole thing falls. Exactly. And so what a good time. Yeah, you know, Unknown Speaker 49:39 so there are people trying to work on this and the early 2000s. They got together and they started saying hey, the way we set this up doesn't make sense. We needed to do something about it. They moved kind of slow, and then in 2008, they looked at the difference in water levels, and they're like, We need to move faster. And so they basically did away they didn't do it away. They play a compact with Unknown Speaker 49:58 throwing darts and like sitting in there decorating their cubicles for 30 years. Unknown Speaker 50:04 Like, oh, shoot the waters? Who took all the water? Unknown Speaker 50:12 Holly? Sorry, I was watching the office. I didn't even realize. Unknown Speaker 50:18 Yeah, pretty much. And then in 2008, they were like, Yeah, we're really running out of water really fast. And so the Compact is still in effect. But they basically they created a new version of it, that does go off percentages instead of gallons, or acre feet. Unknown Speaker 50:33 Was it a situation where farmers were taking their take, like what they usually take? Even if they didn't really need all of that? Because it was part of the split? Unknown Speaker 50:45 Um, I guess I don't, I don't think the word need makes sense. I think they were taking as much as they were allotted. Unknown Speaker 50:53 Yeah, but they didn't want it to take the whole amount. Unknown Speaker 50:57 That's debatable. Unknown Speaker 51:00 Like, they could have recycled water, they could have done different tactics earlier. Unknown Speaker 51:05 Well, that's What's complicated about that, too, is like in a lot of upper basin states, it's actually illegal to like collect rainwater, because it serves the Colorado River. And so like you can't collect rainwater for your farms and stuff like that. Sure, because you're limiting what Mexico is getting. And you're breaking the pact. So there's a lot of things where you're Unknown Speaker 51:26 what my, my little my little bend of rainwater. Unknown Speaker 51:32 I'm from Texas. Unknown Speaker 51:36 Okay, this is also what I hate. And we got to wrap this up. Yes. Alex has to get out of here. Yeah. I hate that these kinds of big issues come down to like, where they're on the news. And they're like, man, if you cut down on, you know, you take a shorter shower. Yeah. And then you know, you're Yeah, no. Unknown Speaker 51:54 So what that what it's come down to at this point is they created a new short term plan that expired in 2016. And then they create a new one that expired in 2019. They have one active now that expires in 20/26. That they are currently renegotiating because they've realized that things are moving fast they planned. And so they're the pact still exists, but they are operating as if it doesn't. What's unfortunate is a lot of upper basin states. And farmers, especially are acting like the PAC still exists and are kind of digging their heels in. what the experts are saying is at this point where we're at, there's not a situation that ends without somebody losing water. They're like, we have to take water rights from somebody at the situation we're at, or else everybody loses like this, all of it, all of it. Yeah, it'll completely dry up and there won't be water for anybody. And so pretty much the situation we're in this committee that's put together across the government and all of these states has to decide who they're going to hurt. Or else it doesn't exist anymore. And they're not doing that they're not choosing somebody to hurt. They're trying to make it work for everybody. And it's just not going to so it's a rough situation. Unknown Speaker 53:10 We do the same thing in this room right now. There's five people who do we get hurt one of us is not gonna get to walk down the stairs. Real prisoners experience Yeah, Unknown Speaker 53:23 I choose the horse Unknown Speaker 53:33 things last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by as Garnett video by Connor Betts. Our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah and Tim stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at Taillon podcast is Ti ll en podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night.

In 1922 officials from seven states agreed on the Colorado River Compact. This agreement would decide how water was distributed across the states that the Colorado River ran through. Today, this compact is the reason for severe drought and an apocalyptic scenario that is coming quickly to the southwest.

At the time, the officials thought they fairly distributed water rights among constituents, which would have been true if the math were correct. But the numbers were terribly off, and the states are now drawing more acre-feet of water than the River can reasonably sustain. Water continues to be used frivolously even though we know that there is not nearly enough water for this level of consumption. If something doesn’t change soon, there might actually be no water to go around.

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