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00:00 man. What's up? Have you ever heard of Sarma Milngalas? You think I'm dressed like Kim possible? We were just arguing about this. She wears the same thing in every episode. Yeah, she does not every episode. That's true. Actually, yeah, there are a couple. Oh, that's what I did. That's right. I was like, oh, man, cartoon characters always were the same thing and Tim goes, not every cartoon character. Just so you know what episodes going to be like today, Tim's in a mood. 00:27 Jared told me an Tim's in a mood and I'm and I'm fine with it. Tim's in a mood and I'm not just Tim's in a mood. I'm not in a mood at all. Roll the intro. 00:40 Green hair little girl opens a raw vegan place just sliced vegetables. Oh my gosh. Thank you for your genuine laughter. Make that the out of context quote. That's crazy. Thank you for your genuine laughter. I'm going to say that during shows. Thank you for your genuine laughter. That's very nice. Things I learned last night. 01:10 That's a laugh roll it again 01:15 so I'm going to try not to laugh today. Now you know what it is is. I try to edit clips for our show and half of the clips are you going so anyway, this is what they did and I can't I am not fun here. I'm happy to be you're not having fun. You're handing it up because you think that's what we want on social media. You're like oh they like when I laugh. I'm going to laugh. No, I you're like a little. I couldn't care less about social media just straight up lying to the negative comments and see if I care. We do have there's that kid 01:45 you keep saying that and there's a there's a there's a kid who follows us on YouTube yeah, who I think is disliking every video and leaving negative comments. Yeah Ezra leave the negative comments, but quit disliking the videos. I figured it out. I was like man, we have a hater who's disliking already that actually hurts the algorithm. Don't do that, but you could leave it kind of negative comment. Yeah, it shout out to you Tyler Cox. Wait, sorry, I can't laugh. 02:14 I don't laugh. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, 02:41 it does kind of seem like this might be a young lab first second. I was genuinely ask. Is that not pink? No, that's not pink, not at all. Okay, I'm a little I'm very so for those listening uh and this is here's what happens is that Tim shows me stuff too early into the episode and I don't know if we can make fun of this person or not. Yeah, you can. I don't know the story. I can yeah you can make all right. Well, she looks like ah the kid from Toy Story, the bad kid 03:11 and with stereotypical green hair yeah like you know, like this is this is probably a two thousand six picture yeah, definitely high school definitely her rebellious eye liner smokey eye one of the one side of the lip pierced and then side of the head shaved green hair on top yeah and that's the only thing and it's not a good quality picture either. This is the one you've got 03:38 No, I just went and grabbed more, but I will say her hair honestly looks like you remember in Rugrats Angelica's Barbie. Yeah, yeah, honestly looks a lot like a joke, but this is what see how he just laughs through the end of his senses. Okay, so you're no joke is here. She is an adult. Okay, much more of a normal, normal person. Yeah, here's another one. Oh, she's got like a harrowing story. We're about to hear 04:08 she's in a white chair in front of a white backdrop and she looks kind of sad. This is a documentary shot for sure. Tim, did you set me up to make fun of somebody who's got a bad story? No, okay, no, we're to find out something really bad happened to this lady. Nothing really bad happened to her. Well, I mean, I guess that's kind of technically some bad things happened to her, but it's not like it's not like you're going to feel guilty or anything. I mean, you might a little bit, but okay, 04:36 It depends how empathetic you are and it depends how much you could like overlook certain things. So she she was born in nineteen seventy two long story short, her dad, her mother was a chef, her dad worked in like. my God, you were saying you I was trying to turn my ears up and I was turning years up yeah okay her 05:05 her mother was a shaft and her dad was a physicist at MIT, so he lived in her mother was a what a chef. Okay, you put a tea at the end of it, but my mother was a clap to her mother was a. What are you? What what I said? You put a tea at the end of chef and you went yeah cleft, so you added another letter, another letter took one away at another letter. Yeah, whatever. Sorry, I can't laugh. Her dad was a physicist, 05:33 the Physicists, Massachusetts Institute of Technology or MIT as they call it okay, and so she kind of grew up. No one calls it that she got. She kind of go all it. Massachusetts Institute of Technology. She kind of grew up in like her parents were well to do highly educated. Her mom was like a chef at like a high end restaurant, and so it was like they were someone done like a little parody play called well to do about nothing. 06:02 but what's the other I do about nothing what say the much I do about nothing. Yeah, thanks, I because you said well to do about nothing. I was like that's what it's called. Isn't it because I couldn't remember yeah yeah sorry, get laugh. No, I don't know and I don't know. don't know what people are like. Well, you're selling to know to laugh. No, go back and listen to a of episodes and ask you ask yourself if those laughs are genuine because I know Tim's laugh and sometimes I'm on my walk and I listen to it I go 06:31 That was a fake laugh. That's not even. Here's the thing though. That's how I am. Like just in general, like in a social environment, like if I'm being social with somebody, I'm going to fake laugh at you. Like I feel like that's a generous thing to do. Fake laugh at people. I don't need your fake laughs. Yeah. You make me authentic laugh. 06:52 that put that on a birthday card. Thanks. Wow. You make me authentic laugh signed Tim. I didn't find him. I didn't find an anniversary card in the street outside of my house yesterday and it was run over. There's a tire bark on it. We don't get on our fridge. Yeah. What does it say? It says happy anniversary and the person who got the card for someone literally just put their name on it. They didn't write anything in the card. It's literally just the 07:21 the printed happy anniversary and their name in it. Yeah. And whoever got it, I guess, was like, I don't need this card and just threw it in the street. Wow. And then ran it over and now it's on my fridge. Weird. uh Sorry, can't laugh. So her parents were very like well-to-do parents. Yeah. Very like... Where did she live? Massachusetts? Massachusetts, yeah. OK. Boston area. ah And they were very like... 07:49 prim and proper like you're going to get educated. You're going to do well in school. You're going to do all these things and so that's why she went off. That's why she did yeah yeah she's like no. I'm edgy. I'm cool. I have we talked about punk bands on the show before. I don't know how crazy it is that these punk bands are in their parents garage being like I hate my mom. It's like dude. Your mom is making pizza bites in the other room like my mom. 08:18 I so mean to me to don't I never knew my dad and your dad's like I pay for the electricity for this. I bought you all those guitar, but bought you a tire, besting in your kids artistic dreams for them to turn that art into an angst piece against you is what I'm saying. 08:37 but it's you're telling your dad. It's a caricature. I'm not. This isn't really the power structures of the home. I'm fake. I'm fake angry at my parents. Yeah, I'm hamming it up for the camera dad. Don't worry. I'm it's a that wasn't real. That was real. uh Okay, maybe that that was a little fake. It was a real laugh, but it was a little. was a we're going to find out who you really are this episode. I'm determined to do it. 09:07 I didn't really realize it was fake. You said you called me out. was like those real. Then I thought about it. was like yeah, maybe it was exaggerated a little bit. Wow, maybe I did exaggerate that laugh a little bit. Okay, but it's okay. No anyway, pump in the garage, all the stuff. So she went angsty because her parents are very like you're going to do with those certain things. Yes, yeah. And I mean it was, it was a short lived high school phase because then she went on to let's see what school is this here. The Wharton School of Economics. Oh, okay. She got a tree together. 09:36 Yeah, so she got a degree in economics and then she went uh and worked at Bear Stearns in New York City in ninety six and then Bain capital in Boston. ah Bear Stearns, the place where they sing while you eat. What are you talking about? Lamberts Lambers doesn't sing what you eat. No, let us throws rolls. What is what? What? It's very clearly not the place where they sing while you eat. I thought that was funny. What is the place? I'm not allowed to laugh. 10:06 What is the place where you there's a place in New York that like people who are trying to be on? No, yeah, there's a place in New York where people sing songs and people pay money to go watch them sing and I can't remember what that's called. I know what it's called. It's on the tip of my a somebody remind me. No, it's like there's is it Carolins on Broadway? Is that what that is anyway where that you've not seen this 10:36 Maybe it's because I'm a theater kid that pops up in my tick tock, but they literally the servers, their waiters, they'll take your order. They'll put the food in and then they will literally stand on the tables and just sing musical numbers. It's pretty, it's fun. I've genuinely never heard of this. They're really good. They're like because they're all trying to be on Broadway. Interesting. And so they're all legitimately really great singers. Yeah, and it's fun. Interesting. But clearly Bear Stearns was not that that was the bit 11:05 Okay. But you would have had to known. I would have had to know about. Yeah, it was a, here's a whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I get it. I get it. get it. You want to try again? I can fake laugh at it. 11:17 No, just tell the story. So that she works. uh 11:29 so that she goes to Bain Capital works in private equity is Bain Capital, the place where they see. See that's a genuine one. That's a good one. You know what it is? It's during our phone calls. I hear your genuine laugh yeah and that's where I go. Oh, that was a real because we say stuff on our phone calls. uh He's really funny and yeah yeah anyway, our our 11:54 highest tier in patreon. We we share record. If you join us on our highest tier patron though we do, we do routinely hang out once a month with our twenty dollar tier and in December it's an all patron hang out so five dollar point dollar, whatever it is, come hang out yeah. So any tear can get it. When is this episode drop this episode comes out Thanksgiving week? Oh hey, happy Thanksgiving. I hope you're thinking yeah and we don't know the date for that yet, but once that's announced 12:23 Yeah, you'll know by the time this is out. We'll put it on the screen ah and so come hang out. Yeah, very cool anyway, so she's working in private cat, private equity. Sure, you know, you love the private equity heads and she's doing it and she realizes I hate this. This sucks. I hate this career. I don't like math. I don't like numbers. I don't like money. Well, she's like, actually do kind of like money and so then she meets this guy named Matthew Kenny 12:52 who ah you might know. ah He is a celebrity chef. You might recognize him. You don't not even in his slightest. Oh interesting. Well, he's a celebrity chef. He does appearances on like a lot of those morning shows for his stuff. Hold on. He's what's her. Is this her? Yeah. What's the little tattoo of it's like a duck? Okay, like a really long beak sure see that 13:22 Yeah, it's super low def. I think we probably could have maybe another image. Just try to figure what the tattoo is, but I love your confidence of it's Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King is what that is. No, I know it's a duck. I do know it's a duck that will come. Do you oh that'll come up later? Yeah. Oh, okay, but Matthew Matthew owns or throughout his career has owned like dozens of restaurants. Okay, I'm New York City big time celebrity chef and they together said hey, let's open up a restaurant together and so 13:52 she never having done this sure it's kind of her first venture into a restaurant being a restaurant here, restaurant tour, restaurant tour yeah and a restaurant tour is the person who owns it. A restauranteer is the one who pulls the strings, standing up there making all the servers do their song and dance dance dance. Good enough and I'll let you go to broadway um 14:22 all right. I'm done with that bit. I'm done with that bit. Tim Tim just think stuff is funny. So in 2001 they opened up a restaurant called commissary yeah and it was decent fine name yeah yeah. Honestly, I don't like yeah, I'm sorry it's like it's like it's like the same as being like cafeteria yeah yeah. You know yeah yeah it's a little because the commissary is what the what's called on a base yeah yeah and that yeah I don't or in prison 14:52 true. So yeah, I don't know what they were trying to like being a person that thanks for listening on your iPads in jail and uh thanks for watching on YouTube. When you got out, we get a lot of YouTube. It feels like most of our fans at this point might have been through the prison system, which is pretty well. It's crazy that our fans are either prisoners or homeschoolers. That is pretty crazy. Very rarely that it's a overlap, but 15:22 I'm happy for it. Some of them pulled off. You know yeah, very rarely, very rarely do prisoners and homeschoolers overlap unless you're the duggars. 15:37 Can we say that? Okay, yeah, they're in prison. They're listening. Yeah, it's funny. We can say it. So they they open their restaurant and they actually start consulting with a guy named Jeffrey Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, Trud, 16:03 Chicharro anyways, I'm sure it matters. This is what he looks like. Oh, this is from a documentary. This is from the same documentary. The other guy is okay. We got to quit because something's up. I like this guy a lot. Yeah, I like him. Is this his house? Yeah, he's very, very rich. Okay, so maybe we shouldn't, but I do background looks like like a hotel. That's like what I'm saying. He lives at his house. Yeah, he shaved his arms. You think so? Look at him. Yeah, it's hard to respect the guy who shaved arms. 16:32 but I will say easy to respect the guy with loafers and no socks and like pants that don't go all the way down like that. They're not capris. They're full like pants, but they're sure ain't to the ankles yet and there's so this guy's rich a little bit of ink. Yeah, so Jeffrey Jeffrey is a right. can't let Tim look at a guy with money too long because he just starts to be like gosh and that polo fits his shoulders weird, which is just perfect guys cut on polo and this 17:01 three pants and it'd be better if his arms were hairy, but gosh, I just love looking at this guy. You know, saying like I just, I just love looking at this guy. You know, if you let Tim look at it like Tim's enamored by power and money and that's rough. I'm not enamored by it. I just, I just think that sometimes rich dudes 17:29 I have good style. Okay, you thought okay, all right, but it's not like rich. Let's see your outfit of the day, not rich young guys. Here's a van shirt that I've had since twenty sixteen. I look a lot like Kim possible today. Actually, okay, keep going. I look, I look a lot like Kim possible today. Stupid so 17:51 not. I'm dressed like impossible. I look a lot like impossible today. 18:01 No, you do look like you still drive delivery for Pickleman's yeah. Yeah, that's the look I'm going for. Actually, you go, it's the tattoos so so they opened it to two thousand one, those scream unemployed here. They opened in two thousand one and it didn't didn't go great and yeah three. They shut it down, so then she starts consulting for Jeffrey Chardrose. She he has a China Grill management company, which 18:31 sounds like okay. does what it sounds like and so they together he's like he's like hey, I love what you guys did because the restaurant that they open was a vegan restaurant and that was very two thousand one very new, very niche yeah, so it didn't hit, but he thought it was an interesting concept and so he's like hey, what's that one downtown called here? Yeah, Cafe Gratitude. That's is that vegan 18:59 I thought so isn't cafe gratitude vegan or is it just vegetarian? ah It was, I think mostly vegan. It's gone now. Is it gone? Yeah, make sense. That's sad. Woke is dead. Sorry, it's gone and it's replaced by a barbecue joint now as crazy. No, so he was like, he's like, think that was the stuff. I mean the vegan stuff was a fad as far as like widespread. Obviously there are there are 19:27 I feel like what happens there's a core group of people who are committed to being vegan yeah either through principle or just through dietary needs yeah and then the fad of it kind of grew into this thing yeah. think there was that bubble has kind of gone down yeah, and I think there was two fads going on at the same time. There was like the moral fad where that's true or in the health fat and then yeah health yeah and then both of those kind of died down at the same time yeah, which is interesting because the two thousand one ah 19:57 commissary was pre that fat that fat was hitting hard twenty fourteen twenty fifteen. Yeah, they were very, very early backing. I know obviously it goes in waves as well, so I mean that maybe there was was there a big vegan push in two thousand one. I don't not that I'm aware of okay like this was very as far as I know there was nobody else doing this and that was why Jeffrey was so interested in this and he was okay. He's like this is a very unique new idea. 20:26 I'd like to invest in it. I think my thing with the vegan stuff, if you choose to do that, you know, whatever. But uh I, there was a gal that my uncle had dated when I was in eighth grade that we were at their house for new years and she made nachos and she did the thing where it's like here, eat this, nachos I made and then you eat them. And then she goes, by the way, that's vegan meat and cheese. Yeah. Surprise. And I was like, I was like, oh, I was wondering why it was so bad. 20:57 I wasn't going to say anything because we don't know you that well. You're just dating my uncle, but these nachos are the worst they ever had in my life and I was very politely being like oh wow, very good love this and then you go by the way it's vegan meat and cheese. Oh, thank they go hard. Now I know why they got this sucks for those reasons and not because you're bad at cooking meat and then I'm going to hurt myself later. Even as an eighth grader, I knew you know yeah, you knew it sucked and 21:27 that's what I don't like. Don't pull a fast one on me. Yeah, yeah, don't trick me into yeah. Don't be like oh, this is or also don't try to convince me it's the same. It's like a it's like a Jesus juke, but with with food yeah, tofu juke. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's exactly which is like if you like that good. Alex is looking at us like we're making fun of all my friends. Alex is a lot of woke vegan friends. 21:51 It's probably why their marriages are so good. That's why their marriages are so good. It's all the tofu I'm eating in the street. Yeah, these meat eaters are leaving their anniversary cards in the street. 22:05 I like the idea that meat eater. can't decide if we should hard pivot to the right or if we should pivot. I can't decide what we should do, but I do know that Cisco and US foods both deliver tofu to all these places. So he's very interested in their car and they have been kind of plotting together and they say, know, I think the problem why vegan food didn't work the first time we tried it. 22:32 with the commissary. maybe the name commissary. don't think it would attract a lot of people. They said maybe the branding, maybe some of this stuff. But they said honestly what might be the problem is we were cooking it. What if it was raw and vegan? And so they said let's open up a raw vegan restaurant where all the food is raw. 22:55 Thanks for watching our show if you like it. A great way to help out is by being a Patreon supporter. 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Do you know a lot of vegans yeah yeah? I felt like you would ah 23:57 And got him. And got him. Come on, swallow your coffee, dude. Don't have that in your mouth right now. 24:07 What is raw vegan food? is yeah? I mean it's exactly what sounds like. Is it is it and I'm is it just here's a what are you texting right now? So I was in blood. It just felt like this is a part of the conversation that didn't concern me. It just felt like you were talking to that guy, not me and so I like well, this isn't about me anymore, so 24:31 like what were you doing? Find something that you're sending a text. Yes, you can do that here. No, I can't and I wouldn't know now there is. I can't do that there. Oh, you got a blocked covenant eyes won't let you open your text. You see covenant eyes had a huge leak yeah yikes and the stuff they got leaked, but he always ask Alex about eyes. I listen not to get too involved in the drama stuff, but now you know 25:01 covenant. I you know what covenant eyes is the software that you don't know what covenant eyes is. No, he wasn't as evangelical as us. is vegan friends, so ah he's one of those progressive Christians. ah If you don't know covenant eyes was a software that you could download on your computer. I don't even know how it works now to be honest, but it's a software you could download on your computer that would block websites that you know, but not only block, but like if you went to an inappropriate website, if you bought, if you got through the block somehow, yeah, it would email 25:30 your accountability partner, your if you even like if you even did something even remotely sketchy, it would email your accountability partner with like all your search queries and actually since screenshots to which seems like a little excessive, but yeah, it would do like, I mean it would do what you're thinking, but it would also do like guns and like what else like like our rated movies. If you're looking at like an R rated movie or something like that, like it was like pretty like 25:58 crazy the level of which yeah it would flag things and then uh earlier this year the founder had to bail his son out of jail for inappropriate stuff. Yeah, so 26:14 Yep. What do I know though? What? Anyway, I know so we're talking like raw vegan food, which is is it just a head of lettuce? Is it just well? No, they had a presentation, so here's one of their yeah. They had a presentation, but is it just this is a sandwich? I think is what they call it. I think I think this one. So if you're listening, imagine uh a very fancy restaurants, thirty two dollar zucchini sandwich. So it is like 26:43 very thin slices of zucchini with ridiculously thin slices yeah with with some. I couldn't even tell you I can't. They might be raspberries or they could also be some type of not some kind of vegan spread with a slice of tomato and then more thin slices of zucchini. It's more spread more to man. So a club sandwich, more zucchini on top. three layers of zucchini and then a little garnish on top to make it look 27:11 for the you know to justify the cost of so this whole plate cost the restaurant to make thirty cents and they charged you thirty two dollars for that for sure yeah, but for sure, which is probably why Jeffrey loved this idea. Yeah, of course, I people actually put a second pool in my home. Yeah, the exact uh second pool, so they opened up this restaurant and what is this one called pure food and wine? Okay, 27:38 and it was an interesting little spot. Honestly, the vibe of this and I I like it yeah. It feels like the bar from how I met your mother. I was just going to say that yeah, it's got the stairs on either side and you could yeah. That does really feel like that. Yeah, this should be an Irish pub. It should in a just world. Yeah, this would be an Irish pub yeah, but in the world that we live in and the timeline that we split off into it's a 28:06 raw vegan raw vegan restaurant. And this this concept what America could have been what America could have been if that was an Irish pub. 28:22 but instead we got to let some homegrown live from Boston. 28:33 like it's simultaneously. It's simultaneously pro immigrant, but also his girl 28:46 Like, if- 28:52 that could have been a great Indian restaurant and instead some green hair little girl opens a raw vegan place just sliced vegetables. Oh my gosh, thank you for your genuine laughter. Make that the out of context. That's crazy. Thank you for your genuine laughter. I'm to say that during shows. Thank you for your genuine laughter. That's very nice. Wow. So oh 29:22 uh They opened this restaurant and this one is much more successful. And I think the main reason why it was is they did like a... 29:33 I don't know if this was like a conscious thing, but it was definitely like a almost like a gorilla marketing uh influencer marketing type concept because they just got all the celebrities to love it. Yeah, so celebrities just consistently started showing up and taking pictures here and so that's that's Woody Harrelson for those for those listening. It's what's her name again? Stop Sarma Sarma 29:58 Yeah, that chef guy, the harrelson and toby mac in this picture. He does look like to be back. I don't be honest. I have no idea who that guy is, but he does look like a two thousand four. He looks like he was probably the bachelor at some point or I don't. Yeah, we're talking about him and once you find out who it is, we'll be like, yeah, he looks like he could have been superman in smallville. 30:21 maybe like one of those like see oh speaking of Superman. My wife is so mad and this is for a niche audience as well, but my wife is very mad that Henry Cavill left the Witcher and they just put out this new season, which I would but listen, I only catch. I respect them for it. You respect who Henry Cavill? Here's the thing and they waited so long to put out this new season and then they quit making Man of Steel movies and so this new so Henry Cavill ended up not being Superman in that new movie that came out. 30:51 Oh really? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so Henry Cavill left and of course if that's your career, of course you leave the witcher yeah to do Superman. Well, is that why he left? I heard that he left because they were departing from the books. Yeah, it's a little bit of both. Yeah, I think it was mostly Superman, mostly a better opportunity. You know, I can be the most iconic superhero character that or no. I mean, I know a lot of people watch Superman, but I'm going to be honest like that's the lamest 31:21 I agree, but it is the most iconic as far as the decades long story that this is like and it's like it's like if you got to play Batman, you're going to go do that right. I guess that's true and so Batman all you think let's just I mean superheroes in general pretty lame. Some of them when you what do you mean some of them? I the idea that this guy is rich and is like I'm a bat is yeah that that's inherently lame, but we've made it cool. Yeah, it's cool. 31:50 Yeah, but it's not the comics, the alternate. I've got a different point man quit going off tangents. I'm saying I've only caught glimpses. They put out the show. I would be furious if they recast the main character of my show for sure for sure with the person like they didn't even try. Yeah, they just got Liam Hemsworth who is not doing it as well. Who is half the size of Henry Cavill and it's just like every shot you see him and it's like 32:20 It's, I don't even watch the show and I go, his shoulders are too narrow. uh 32:26 You know I'm saying he's got a guy with broader shoulders. Genuinely though, okay, here's my point though. Here's my point though. Liam Hemsworth gets the offer right to be the witcher and no one is like hey man, you got to put on twenty pounds. Yeah, you got a bulk up for like bro. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that is a ripped character and from the show he was ripped before. That's what I'm saying and I do think to 32:51 because your wife plays the games and reads the books to right yeah. So she's like in the fandom and that's where it's like. Oh, I would also be that annoyed because then for Henry Cavill lead for Superman and then Superman gets recast. So now Henry Cavill left kind of for nothing. Yeah, yeah, that's a bummer. Yeah, so my wife is genuinely the position where it's like they have one more season left and she's like bringing back. Yeah, she's will this will be weird about this season that just happened. Sure, whatever that was and do the arrested development thing where they just redo season for sure. 33:21 Yeah, because the rest of the development did that right. They had a weird season where like writers change or something like that and they came back later. Community also did yeah. yeah. Community had a season where it was clearly the writer strike. Yeah, well there was there was that beef with the writer. Yeah, which every chase. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they open their session. It's much more successful. Sure celebrities are coming in and out and their that's what it was. So there was like with that guy. What guy? The man working guy 33:50 That's how we got there my dad, so she actually she's dating Matthew, her co owner of the restaurant, of course, and there's actually a cult. Isn't it? There's a moment there, a coal. I saw him wearing a cross necklace. This is a cult. No, does it become a cult? No, Jim doesn't like when I figure stuff out. Go back to that picture of them. Look at this dude. No, no, no, no. The other one, the other one, the one with the celebrities. I mean if they're dating 34:20 and he's wearing that necklace, which is like that necklace is either a six dollar bought at a Bible camp kind of necklace. That's like a cross ways like ten thousand dollars. You know I'm saying like that is that it's it's a little too tight, just not tight enough, not a choker, but it's a little too tight. It's that cross always know it's there. I guarantee this becomes a cult yeah. 34:45 Does it become a cult? No, not really. I nailed it. Dude Tim hates when I figure stuff out. It doesn't really make our call. Okay, I mean not really. You're smiling and you're really bad liar. Wait, you should not be on Big Brother with me. I've thought about that. I'm like dang man. What was the angle I could pitch to Big Brother? Maybe what if I pitch them at me and Tim going together? Tim's a website developer. He's a normal boring guy right and I'm just we're hey hey Big Brother. We're two best friends. 35:13 and we're not going to tell anyone in the house. We know each other and then we're both in the house right and I'm like oh yeah, then we can do the whole thing where we pretend we don't know each other at all yeah right and then like every night we're like hey, what you learn today and I just realized in this moment right now where you're telling me this is not a cult. We have too much chemistry we're lose. We're gonna lose because you can't lie. All well wait and see how this episode plays. All right, does he so they the rest go well and they're dating and she actually coincidentally slow. Did you're coming in and out? 35:43 yeah her and I like Baldwin kind of hit it off, but she's dating this other guy. So like they can't really have like any real relationship. They come, they do become pretty close. They come really, really close. Okay, but she's dating this other guy. This other guy, so they just become close. They're just friends. Sure, and so but this is thirty rock era. This is thirty rock Alec Baldwin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and so 36:09 she actually is like, like I should set you up with one of our other regulars who really loves this restaurant. So she sets them up with Alec up with her and then what Sarma sets Alec Baldwin up with another regular at the right to your food and wine the way you said it was. So she sets him up with Alex up to her. You said Alec you went, so she set him up with Alec up with her. That's what you said. 36:39 and I thought a look up her. I did was the name of the witch that just took over how like Baldwin's life. You're like yeah, so she set him up with Alec up with her Alec up with her yes. My name is a cup with her uh 36:58 her see it's a witch name. I I like guess whatever dog just tell the story man. I know I said it weird. I said it weird. It's okay. I said it weird so her is now a good episodes by the way. So Alex, I'll let you know if it changes. Alex starts dating this girl that Sarma set her up with yeah and who's the girl we know her. We do know her. Let me look up. Okay doesn't matter. Okay, yeah names don't matter. That's right. 37:28 we don't care if it's not consequential to the story. It isn't consequential to the story and so meanwhile Matthew and Sarmas start having some issues and they split up. Yeah, it was Queen Elizabeth. By the way, we just googled it. 37:43 fuck Daisy's Queen Elizabeth for a little bit in 2004. 37:50 I like her because of the bat thing I'm bad. Oh, that was her. It's a call back to like a long time ago. The Michael Fagan episode. That's a log yeah, so so Matthew and her split up sure now Alec is dating this other girl that set her up with shock like they can't connect and then Alec marries that woman ah and so Sarmas responsible for Alex marriage. 38:19 and also Alec is now the one who got away. Oh yeah, that is true. Okay, so someone goes back to Jeffrey and is like hey Matthew and I broke up. It's really awkward having to work with him every day. um What can you do? What year is this now? It's like it's it's still pretty early. That's like two thousand and six. something like that two thousand seven um and so he she goes to Jeffrey and Jeffery's like well, I could loan you two point one million dollars to buy him out of the restaurant. Oh and 38:49 she was like. I like that idea and so he loans her took it out of his lofer. I got a lot of money of my loafers. I can loan you. That's why I can't have my pants all the way down cash. I've got it right. I can loan you one point eight one point nine. I don't know that they make these kind of dollar bills two point one two way one and we'll see if he'll take that and so you know a hundred thousand dollar bill before 39:21 Rips it. That's how much I don't know how rich I am. And then he turns around and runs. It's lot of money. I needed that. I wanted to look good for swarma. It so cool. It was such a cool thing to do, but I needed that. Her name is Sarma and I call her Schwarm. 39:45 I was so excited to get the joke out. That's rough, so she buys them out. They open up on Donny. Is that her name close? They she buys her ex wife for now. They open up another location, but this location is a little different. It packages and sells okay. The items as like take away and he have we got to buy these shirts bro. 40:11 eat raw live long. That's crazy, but the brand is one lucky. I see that that is the tattoo she's got, but she's got a picture with Matthew later with this lucky duck. Oh, you know, and I think I mix this up. I think they opened it before they broke up. They might okay, okay, okay, okay. So they open one lucky duck. Yeah, yeah and then and it is pre packaged 40:37 raw food, raw food, yes, it's the food for the rest of they just patch. She did the whole and this is two thousand six. I mean look, that is the that chalkboard menu. Yeah is what city market coffee still looks like yeah yeah she. mean she was definitely ahead of way like a pioneer in the industry and so she she goes back to the restaurant. She kind of focuses on our work for a little bit 41:04 and then she starts putting herself back out there. She's meeting people, you know, live in the live in the New York single rich restaurantier lifestyle and she meets a guy on the line by the name of Shane Fox. Okay, this is Shane uh and Shane, which one it's a picture of Shane and his dog and I was like which one that was funny so 41:31 Shane and her start talking online a lot. He lives up. He lives back up in Boston. Okay. And they start talking online a lot. Oh, she's catfished for a long time, uh like a year. This is a story. No, they start talking online. I will say after about a year of them talking online, he ends up moving down to New York so they can like actually be together. Okay. And when she meets him in the in this, you said this is a documentary. Yeah, you said that uh 42:00 she says. I don't feel like he was completely honest about his appearance when he arrived. That's what she says in the documentary. She did feel a little catfish. Yeah, she felt a little little cat. What part didn't she like? Oh, she said he was much larger than his pictures. Let her to believe that's exactly what she said. Yeah, yeah, they'll do that man. ah So that's why when I was on the dating apps, I actually used the enlarge photos 42:27 enlarge. I only use my fat pictures so that way so they were pleasantly surprised. Yeah, it's like oh I I'm not going to lie. Those pictures looked fake, but they I was like there's no way there's the amount of girls who that way add that I wasn't three hundred and eighty pounds. I show up and they were like oh you're like not less to love. I guess I guess uh so she starts. She started seeing Shane. I told you how often my grandma will say she liked me better when I was bigger 42:59 she'll go, she'll go, she'll go. You looked healthier when you were big. What I don't think you know what the health looks like. I did not know. So anytime that she goes, anytime my grandma goes, you're looking good, I go, I've put five back on. Didn't I dad, gum it. I got a guy, got to trim up a little bit. If Del was complimenting me yikes big yikes, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what I don't know. Weird 43:28 So all of our family stuff stems from that lady. 43:35 Okay, so she's done seeing the shape. I know how to find it. 43:42 Tell my grandma I've got a podcast. Go tell her. 43:49 so shame shade start taking around Sarma. He starts coming around the restaurant. Okay, and big shame. They called him. There's not another shame there, but they just called him big shame. We got to have that's the war. I would have to you big shame. That is the worst when people are like, oh yeah, big Jared over there. A big guy. They call you a big guy. It's interesting because like I've always wanted to be called big guy or big Tim. That's so interesting that the stuff I'm running away from it keeps me up at night. 44:19 yeah. No, you weren't there for that. Bree would remember this. Whoever they were hanging out with in college because I knew your wife before you did and by like three months. No yes, no yes, we grew up together. Oh my God. So anyway, when we were in college, there was a guy we were playing sand volleyball with. Yeah, exactly. You know, he kept calling me big boy. He kept calling me big boy. No need to do that. 44:46 I know exactly who you're talking about. No need to do that. Yeah, Alex is yawning. We gotta move on hey Alex over that guy. He stuff that down dude here. Drink the rest of this 45:00 So so Shane starts coming around and people start hearing some of the stories that Shane's telling and they're like we don't pay you to sit there and yawn at us. We don't pay you at all like Shane's an interesting guy because he tells some strange story. Do like now Tim is like we do kind of keep moving. That's super funny for Tim's like so Shane is an interesting guy. Okay, so Shane's an interesting guy. 45:25 No, I'll let you finish so shades in your thing. Anyways, so she's in because I tells a lot of stories and they're like his stories are kind of out there, not really believable and so he's starting. He's just a liar. He's telling everyone he was a Navy seal. Heck yeah. He tells everyone he still worked for which I was yeah. 45:52 he does everybody still works for the government and which I do on my top secret projects. Mine aren't secret. I can tell you he tells everyone that planet. I'm London. 46:06 I work for the government, no secret projects. We're going to bomb London. Yeah, I work for the CIA. Why do we tell you what we're doing? You want me to tell you on reddit? I work for the CIA AMA. Ask me anything earlier this year. The CIA adopted a process of radical candor. We're just going to tell the truth. We're honest. We feel like 46:31 we heard a lot of people's feelings kind of decided. What's the point of hiding stuff? You know you're going to find out about it. You're going to find out about it and let's be honest who's going to stop us and we don't feel bad about this at all. Yes, we did convince a group of tribal villagers that vampires existed in the place that they live in order to scare them into compliance with the things that we wanted to do. That's a real thing. We did the thing we did yeah and who cares? It was pretty cool. It's kind of funny. I know cool. Actually we filmed the reactions. You can watch it on true tv. 47:03 a hit in pratt. So joker's was a CIA side. Okay, so shades telling these unbelievable stories. He tells her he starts telling people he's like an heir to a six billion dollar estate. Okay, he's just a pathological guy yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he and Sarma get very, very, very, very close um and he tells she actually calls him Alex sometimes 47:32 He tells her, says, he says, hey, you need to know. He doesn't tell everybody else this. He tells just, about this. And says, hey, you need to know, like, I am part of this group called the family. And she says, okay. And he says, this is like a ah interdimensional group of elites that organize everything that happens on this plane. 47:58 And so we have control, like complete control over everything that happens here in your world. Um, and he says that I have the power to grant you blessings beyond anything that you could ever imagine. And he says, but I, I need to understand like you have faith in us and like you want to be part of the family. And he says, I'm, I'm the heir to the family. tell everyone I'm an heir to the $6 billion fortune, but really it's much more than that because I'm part of the family. And so he tells her, he says, I need. 48:27 He says, I want to make you my you joking? I'm dead serious. He says, he says, I want to this. eh 48:37 Are we 51 minutes into? He says, want to make you my queen in the face. When I step into my true form, I want to make you my queen. And he's like, but I need I need to know that you're with us. And so I need I need to see some commitment from your end. And so he tells her that if you can show your commitment, I'll make you my queen. And also this picture with this dog was actually Sarma's dog. He says, I'll make your dog a mortal to. 49:07 And she loves her dog a lot. 49:12 Pause. uh 49:19 Are we fifty one minutes into an alien episode right now? This is an alien episode. I was nothing interdimensional, yeah, eternal being. mean, I guess technically if you're going to paint it that way, we call him a we could me and my family control everything on your plane. Yeah, I mean, I guess there is some alien asking for a bitch going on there, but this is an alien story. Go back to the picture of him. This guy's immortal. 49:46 But also. 49:50 not fat. He just I want to make sure everyone knows this guy is a normal looking dude. I mean a lot. A lot. there a bigger picture? Is this just a good angle of him? Yeah, this is a this is a this is like a Facebook profile picture quality because it's like oh yeah. I can see my chin, my jaw line. Is that what this is yeah? You're gonna me a picture of a fat dog. You're gonna show me a picture of a fat dog right now. 50:19 this might give some things away. Okay, so he's bigger yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah here's here. You know what I'm mad at what I got her. I just have a round face yeah and I don't like that yeah because they make surgeries for that honestly genuinely might do it because I'm tired of big got big guys yeah bigger than me having tight like 50:47 having better jaw lines than me, then you get catfished by that picture yeah, and then you see a big star you in. 50:57 Don't talk to me, I'm you in. See? That is a stone jaw right there if I've ever seen one. Thanks. 51:07 My grandma hates this! 51:12 so anyway, we're airing out our insecurities on the podcast. What's yours? I it's your hairline. It's my hairline is my height. It's my weird fake laugh. uh 51:28 My hairline? My height? My weird fake laugh? My high voice? My duck voice? My ha ha ha! 51:38 Are you insecure? Nothing at all. What would I have to be insecure about yelling like I go over here? Yeah all right, so he does so he does it. I'll make your dog. I'm going to make you my queen. I'm going to make you live forever and she having been malnourished from eating only raw vegan food then goes okay. She goes. That sounds great. I mean so she genuinely believe it 52:08 I think so because I think her behavior suggests that she bought it. Can you imagine the number of documentaries we could have, but like because she sat down all right, look, okay, let's play through for a second. He says I'm going to make you the queen of my interdimensional plane and you're going to live forever. Yeah, she believes him. Yeah, years later she's willing to sit in a documentary chair and be like yeah, I believed him right. Yeah, 52:37 that's why we get a documentary. The number of documentaries we could have, but people are like I'm not going to admit that I mean yeah, I believed it and I'm embarrassed about that. I'm not going to sit in the chair and talk about. Well, I should say I don't think she ever in the documentary was like yeah. I believed it okay. She she tried to color herself a little different. I think in the documentary you know what and that's why people do the documentary sometimes is that they go. Oh, this is an image control option. They can make them look better. Yeah, I can which did you watch that 53:05 documentary of the unknown number documentary. Yes, yeah, and we talked about we we should do that as an episode, but the fact that she's in the documentary crazy in her mind. She's like if I'm in the documentary, then I can twist the narrative. That's insane. Yeah anyway, yeah, because producers are really good. It's like and that's why I was so mad that they didn't interview the orca in the blackfish document. 53:29 I want to hear it. completely changed the narrative. wrote it down. He's like, I don't think you guys want to make a joke about that. Actually, my vegan friends are going to draw the line right there. 53:39 so so he tells it all. not saying we should eat the whale Alex chill. He tells her all this and he's like we should though he's like let's go. He's like let's go to Monaco and so she's like oh, that sounds great and so then they took a vacation to Monaco. How is he paying for all this stuff and he takes it to the okay. We're going find out okay. Okay, okay. He takes into these casinos in Monaco and just the high life buying like hundred thousand dollar jewelry like 54:08 like doing high roller poker games, like doing like the presidential suite and Monaco running a yacht for the day like he's paying for all this. Yes, okay, ah like crazy lifestyle stuff, and so she's like oh, he is an heir to a billion dollar fortune, which is actually he's part of the family and uh like so she starts to like he's painting this picture that she's starting to believe because he's living this lifestyle and so 54:37 they go back home after the after this trip and he says hey, the tests are going to begin. We're going to have to start testing your faith. Okay, and he says I need you to wire me ten thousand dollars and she says okay, and so she starts to be test by him and he's doing. What's that called? eh Pig butchering yeah, fattening the pig yeah yeah yeah and so he starts he starts talking her into 55:07 um, given away, get sending him like fairly large wires of money. And at this time, like her restaurants super successful, she's the sole owner. Um, she has a decent bit of debt from the Jeffrey, but they're doing 7 million a year in top line revenue. So she's doing really well. Um, and so he's just starts slowly, but surely leaking some cash from her. Uh, but the situation's a little weird because he hires an accountant and the accountant is like, well, 55:37 If you're getting money from her, like if she's giving you money, you're to have to pay taxes on it. And so he's like, you're right. So he proposes to her and he says, if we're married, then like she can give me whatever money and I don't have to pay taxes on it. Which is what he said. Swarma. 56:00 Sar- Sarma? Sarma. Sarma. uh 56:08 You were wiring me lot of money lately and the tests are proving that you're loyal. This is the biggest test, another loyalty test. And also if we get married, then I don't have to taxes. Most of the tax stuff. Will you legally get married to me legally marry me, which is 56:36 Romantic. So romantic. And he's not even on a one knee. He can't. He's huge. eh 56:44 Sorry, I can't get on one knee. I can't get on one. I wouldn't be able to get back up. I'm going to sit down for this. He's winded. I've been saying it too long for my 57:01 Thanks. 57:05 Hey, thanks for listening to Things I Learned Last Night. It would do us a huge favor if you could just share this episode with somebody or just share the show. Tell someone you like it. That helps us grow the show. Another way to help us grow the show is to support our merch, which is actually super comfy. We changed to a new merch supplier a couple years ago called Fourth Wall. You can buy our stuff at shop.tillen.com. None of this is a pressure, by the way, but it just really does help us grow the show and it helps, you know, get the word out and people ask me about my hoodie in the airport all the time. So they're really comfy. Would love for you to support the show. 57:34 And either way, thanks for being here. We're glad that we get to do this podcast. 57:43 So, uh, so they get married and he starts getting more and more money sent to their finances are split. I should say there's sure remain split, but they do get married. And so now he starts coming around the restaurant a whole lot more. Yeah. And he's around the restaurant and he's behaving like he owns the place. Sure. And so he's bossing people around. He's making like, he's making hiring decisions and everyone's like, you don't work here. And he's like, well, my wife owns the place. And so like, I will, own the place. 58:13 And everyone's like, I don't think that's how that works. It is, but yeah. And so they see, starts having kind of like a rough relationship with a lot of the staff. And what's interesting is that the staff had a great experience with Sarma up until this point. I keep, now that you've done it, I keep almost saying Shorma. 58:32 And this is why I'd be good at Big Brother. I'm planting ideas. Little seeds. And I water them through my jokes. I water them through my jokes. He just goes, Jaren should win this game. So her name is Jaren, just one big brother. 58:53 Her name is... 58:57 Alec up with the car. So so he starts coming around around the restaurant um and meanwhile he starts introducing as like she starts passing more and more tests. He starts introducing her to more and more people in his life. Sure. I don't know if in his life is right. So what I should say he introduces her to an I.T. professional that he's assigned to him through his government job. 59:25 and he's like, we need to make sure that everything is secure for you. And so he connects her, her to this it professional uh online and that he professional says, okay, I'm going to need access to all your accounts. Of course. So that way we can make, then they can set up fake numbers so she can open an app, see that her bank account has this amount of money in it. Yeah, but really it has zero. Well, I don't know about any of that. What I can say is they said we just, we want to make sure everything stays secure. 59:53 because her because your husband is in like black ops and so we want to make sure that everything is is as as safe and she believes that yeah she believes that and so he's constantly going out on these that's what I'm saying. He she may not believe is an alien. She's dumb enough though. Well she he goes he's constantly going on these trips and he's like yeah I'm killing rebels in Africa is what I'm going to be doing this week. That's what he's telling you like straight up word for word. That's what he's telling her killing rebels 01:00:23 And she's like, OK, and then he'll be in Africa and Africa. oh Oh, sorry for bad. had a oh, yeah, I the restaurant go today. I should go good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, sorry. I'm just jet lagged. was killing rebels in Africa. 01:00:45 Sorry, I'm make my jaw look. I've doing gun rebels in Africa. I've been very insecure ever since you called me really bad. I've been really insecure ever since you said I didn't look at my pictures online. 01:01:01 and so he would he would so he is gone. I was gonna say because the way that these con men work yeah is like. I mean it's kind like when we talked about Ike and and Marty yeah it's it's so involved, but they're doing it to multiple people yeah. So it's like how do you have time for this yeah? I don't know how you could. I barely have time to do this to my wife. 01:01:30 I'm taking all of her money. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how you could possibly like pull that off. I don't yeah. So anyway, so he's leaving for a week. Yeah, yeah, I assumed to go to another victim. We do know what he was doing. Okay, we can get to that later, but just normal stuff. He was killing rebels in Africa. What he was, what if it was like he was telling truth? Old he was telling the truth about crazy part 01:01:56 the celestial being thing. Was it true? But the black ops was yeah. That's the thing is like you got to tell him a lie. So that way when they start talking about it, you know you guys listen in big brother casting. You got a you got to drop breadcrumbs different kind of lies so that that way when they catch you in one, they don't know what's true and what's not. So ah you got to have like plausible deniability for all of your different things exactly and also if you leak certain information to certain people 01:02:22 Like if you tell each person a different kind of lie, then when that comes back to you, you know who your leak is. Yeah, yeah. That's what I did to Tim. So the employees at the restaurant are like, if there's one thing I know about uh Navy Seals is they don't really talk about it. And also they're not that fat. And so there's some some doubt that starts to form among the restaurant staff. So I saw stuff, just doing some digging. The restaurant staff is like, I bet those rebels could outrun you. 01:02:52 They're looking around. And so the restaurant staff starts doing some digging and they find out that Shane isn't his name. Shane Fox is not his name. His name is actually Anthony Strangess and he's divorced. He was married to another woman in Florida ah who alleges that she that he stole a lot of money from her. Yeah. And so they the staff finds this out. They get all the proof together. 01:03:21 and they approach swarma are TESSERF. 01:03:30 they approach sarva and they're like hey, shane's not who you think he is and after yeah, the staff does okay, and she sees all of that and it's very interesting when you see the staff talk about it because the staff says the staffs like it was almost like it was almost like she didn't care like she it seemed like she believed us, but she was like care about it. Yeah, I know yeah and so like she like wasn't offensive. She wasn't like no, this couldn't be true 01:04:00 And then so she goes and she confronts Shane and Shane is like, this is another test. And your allegiance to me is, is allowing you to pass the test and basically like confesses. Yes, I am Anthony. That's another alias I've used. Right. uh These are all aliases. Like none of this is real. And it's like, this was a different life that I lived as a part of my job here as a member of the family. I've lived a lot of different lifestyles. uh 01:04:28 over the last, but all of them have included eating and not working out and now we're body shape. Now we're just because you said that the workers were all like yeah, maybe he's just aren't that big. So now it's like now the whole. I imagine the YouTube thumbnails are going to be like fat guy lies like what are we talking about? Like he's not he's not just to be clear. He's not that big. He's just not he's just not a Navy. doesn't look like a Navy seal. Yeah, yeah, 01:04:58 right now, our body shaving this guy. Okay, so he's he's like he doing the thing where he's just like yeah, all that sure they're just saying that to test you yeah and slowly but surely more and more people are introduced to you're not. Are you confident that she believed this stuff or like? mean like not believe, but like why if she didn't believe it, why would she go along? It's very hard to tell okay. It's very hard to tell. I would assume she did 01:05:26 because I it's hard and now she's just trying to save face and be like no. I knew the whole time yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so he slowly but surely starts introducing her to all these other government assets that he works with that is like corroborating his story in different ways or asking her for like sending her on different tests. Okay, they're small little like usually it's money. Usually it's send this money this to this place, but sometimes there's like little like trust exercises almost that like they have to do, but for the most part it's 01:05:55 send money money and this goes on for a few years until eventually he takes her back to Monaco. It's been a few weeks in Monaco ah and at this point he has access to all of the business accounts right like running the finances of the business and so he's like taking control of that and all of sudden one day paychecks don't hit the employees and they're all in Monaco and the employees just didn't get paid and the employees are also Monaco. 01:06:23 No, no, no, no. Sorry. Sorry. The employees are back at the restaurant. Okay. And Swarma Sarva and Shane or Anthony Shane slash Anthony are in Monaco. Okay. And the employees don't get paid. So employees start texting her and are like, Hey, we didn't get paid today. And she's like, I'm looking into it. And she finds out, the bank account has no money. And so she's like, that's a problem. I didn't know that. I wasn't aware of that. So she from Monaco 01:06:49 manages like she goes up to the hotel room. Shane stays at the casino like gambling with their paychecks and so she goes up to the hotel room and she makes a bunch of phone calls and she ends up securing. I think it was like three hundred grand to pay everybody for the next like to pay periods because she at this point I should say to a huge she had multiple locations right all throughout New York and she had the one lucky duck and so she secure all this cash to be able to pay everybody and so they're okay. We got paid and then a couple weeks later this happens again. The paychecks 01:07:19 a couple weeks later they get an email from Shane right the night before payday and it says, Hey, just want to let you guys know you're going to get paid tomorrow, but your checks are going to bounce just so you're aware. And everyone's like, that's not how this should work. And he's like, so don't, don't spend any of that money. It's not real money. It's not going to be there. You're not going to get to keep it. Um, and everyone's like, uh, okay. And so they get together and they stage a walkout and they say, okay, we're not going to work if you're not going to pay us. 01:07:49 sure. So they're on the other side of the ocean. Yeah. And their restaurant closes because no one's working the restaurant. And so sarma hears about this and sarmas pretty, pretty mad. Yeah. And so they rushed back. Um, sarma tries to figure out, figure the situation out. She's basically able to kind of save face with all the employees and be like, we're going to figure this out. We're going to be like, we're going to find a way to get you paid. She ends up taking on a lot of debt to be able to pay these employees. Um, but it becomes a sort of thing where 01:08:19 this was like the beginning of a serious bleed with the company and it became a trend where paycheck after paycheck started getting missed, of course, and so employees started leaving and eventually the ah the restaurant shut down. Okay, because no one was getting employed. No one was getting paid in place. Yeah, left in the middle of all of this. Sarma is barely connected to what's going on at the store. She knows that there's this problem with the paychecks that's happening. That's what I'm wondering. If the paid the first time the paychecks bounce is when you're like 01:08:49 Oh, I need to be like involved yeah and she's still kind of like things like no. got it and she's like and any time she's like no. I feel like I need to be he's like he's like it's a test yeah yeah he's like he's like we're finding out where your faith in it all lies okay, and so she and he's and he's like think about your dog. Think about the dog, the dog gonna live forever, which sidebar hold on. Please tell me that this doesn't end with the dog dies and then she realizes she goes 01:09:17 Oh, he was lying. I wish that were true, but that's not how a dog dies and she goes. 01:09:25 You can't do it. And he's like, this is another test. like, this is a test. Revive dog. Give it three days. Give it three days. And so he comes to her in the night and he says, hey, we need to go on a trip. And she says, it's the what? What are you talking about? And he's like, he's like, we need to go on a road trip. This is another test. Like we need to go now. Okay. And so they get in a car, they load up the dog and a lot of what they own and they just drive out of the city and start driving across the country. 01:09:56 and he paints it to her like they're on like a road trip. Okay, cross country is in like they're headed multiple states like they're leaving out west. Yeah. And he says he says if anybody asks your name is Emma and she says okay and so she's like if I talked to someone I have to introduce myself as Emma and so she does this whole trip she's introducing herself as Emma and he says I've got you these skin color. Yeah, it's which if you're ever at a gas station pilot gas station and someone is colorless. Hi, I'm Emma. 01:10:22 you should call the police. Hey Emma, you should whatever you're doing stop Emma. Your dog's gonna die. They're gonna kill your dog. I think they're gonna kill your dog. Emma is me grabbing her head. Your dog's gonna die, uh but he's like he's like I got you some skin color band aids. I need you to cover up your tattoo and she's like you're right. I should do that in colored band aids. Okay, and so uh so she covers him for that to with these band aids. 01:10:51 and then he drives like cover that up. I'm tired of looking at it. I got you some skin color tattoos. You should cover those things because he's driving. It's on her left shoulder. He's driving all day. He's driving. He's so mad steaming pull it together. Shane Anthony. So they drive yeah, they they kind of like duo 01:11:21 normal road trip. They see all the sites. They stop at the side shows and then am I crazy? We got to wrap this up episodes running long and Tim is like they stop and see the giant go for a stop and see the ball yard stage. Yeah, then you get mad at me when the episode's too long. He takes her to Vegas and they get a presidential suite in Vegas okay and they spend like a month and a half in Vegas and he is 01:11:49 at the slots going every day, every single day sitting at the slots. She hates it there. She's in a room. She's reading books. She's like, just like hold away and the hotel room. Um, and so they're there. She's getting all these texts from employees that she's just ignoring. He left her her phone. Interesting move. So she's still, she's still like engaging with people, but getting all these angry texts from people. 01:12:15 she goes that's Sarma. I'm Emma. I'm Emma. Sorry, sorry, wrong number. is Emma. My name is Emma and so then they I'm doing that for you. Oh sorry, wrong number. I want to respond to my tax lady when she goes a jern, you know, flight receipts look more than last year. I was gonna go sorry, wrong email coming from my email. 01:12:41 sorry wrong email with your signature and everything. Yeah, you sorry you've even on the wrong person. My name is Emma send so they they spent a few weeks in Vegas and then finally they start another road trip going back east and they end up in Tennessee. They're staying in like some motel in Tennessee and while they're there, Sarma here's a like what okay summer. Here's this knock at the door and the door opens up and it's two detectives and they say 01:13:12 Hi, I'm officer whatever, what's your name? And she says, Emma. And she says, and the officer is like, no, your name's Sarma. And she's like, oh, sorry, he told me I need to introduce myself as Emma. And so they come in and they look in the room and at this point she finds out that earlier, like a few minutes ago, the police arrested him in the lobby. And the way they did it is they had the front desk called. 01:13:42 ah call Anthony and they said hey, there's a problem with the payment. Can you come down and and help handle the payments? Sure he walks in the room and then they tackle them and they were they arrested them. So he's sitting out in the squat car and they were like, okay, we're going to go up and we're going to get her and she's just in a room reading just hanging out and she like basically says everything that happened right and so then they take her down and they're like, do you want to say ah goodbye, bye to him? Do you want to kiss your husband goodbye? And she's like, no, I never want to see him again. And then he was like, oh, that's strange. 01:14:11 and so then they load her in the squad car and they put her under arrest to what's she under arrest for this point? Well, embezzling and so she was pulling money out of the business accounts and it prevented anyone from the company from getting paid and so there's like lost wages for months. Okay, and so she was doing that. 01:14:32 Yes, yes, okay, sometimes okay, sometimes and so basically this begins. They're not viewing her as a victim of this is what I'm saying. Yes, you want to paint a picture about right road trip and stopping and looking at yarn balls, but you don't want to paint a picture of is she a victim in this or is she a cop? Plus here's a here's a such a thing. I'm like she's under arrest and you're like I 01:14:55 they go to him. Why do you talk about stuff that doesn't matter and you don't talk about stuff that does? I'm trying to explain this to you. They take her. They take her to court. They take him to court and he immediately gets like charged. Okay, there's no question this guy, this guy did this guy's crying sure and so he he gets convicted slimin and crime. Yeah, he gets convicted for his whole scheme and right. He serves two years in prison for it and then she goes his whole scheme of 01:15:25 embezzling money like this. This game. I don't know what the actual charge is he in trouble with the actual trying this to her like he's stealing money from her. Yes, yes, I believe so. He only did two years. Yeah, and so he it was okay. Here's the he was charged with grand larceny and a scheme to defraud and a violation of labor law. Okay, I got two years in prison for that and then she got put on trial because she and this is the interesting 01:15:54 think about the trial. Ignorance doesn't get you off the hook like you. That was your business. You should have been more involved with the paychecks yeah and so the defense said that she was under co-hearsive co-hearsive control. Okay, so she they said that she did not have control. That's what I'm trying to say yeah. Yeah, the defense made that that claim, but the the prosecution said well, she was like no just ruining her own. The defense is like her husband had control over her. She was and she did not know that it was just no one controls me 01:16:24 And they're like, hey, shut up and he's like, she's like, he was going to my dog immortal. I wanted that. And they're like, oh, put her in jail. And so she ends up getting charged uh for uh she ends up pleading guilty in May 2017 after this whole trial um to stealing over two million dollars from investors and scheming to defraud as well as criminal tax fraud charges. um And so she, she sled, uh she had a four year 01:16:52 jail sentence. She spent more time in jail than he did sorry for month. I meant for my okay a four month jail sentence and then she ended up divorcing strangers, which makes sense. ah What's interesting is when you watch her talk about this whole story like it's so strange because she pled guilty to this ah and she obviously served her sentence and when you watch her talk about it like there is an air of her where she talks about it like yeah. I knew he was lying to me. I didn't believe it 01:17:21 but I needed money and so like I thought that I believed the story. She of ended up ponzi scheming herself where she was like I need the money. Yeah, eventually I'll get out of this hole and I don't have to keep putting up with this guy. Exactly. But then there was also a storyline she would tell that was like I believed it like he tricked me. I didn't know what was going on at all. Like I thought my dog was gonna be immortal and so like she's kind of play like a foot in both. 01:17:49 realm. Yeah, I wasn't a part of this at all. The victim and the for the same time. was completely deceived and then there was one where it's like I knew what was going on, but I was like trying to play the game either way. It's like she's trying to be like I was a victim of circumstance or a victim of this guy. Yeah, yeah, so none of it's like I need to take responsibility for my actions in this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's really interesting is so she gets out of prison and she's now six million dollars in debt from the whole ordeal because she's got to pay back the debts from that and then she has the debts that she accrued during the whole 01:18:18 the whole scheme to try to pay people and then keep the restaurant open and things like that. So six million in debt. uh She served her jail sentence, but also she kind of has this like stamp on her of like no investors ever going to invest in her again because of this fraud. Yeah. So like the thing that she knows, the thing that she's actually good at, which was running this vegan restaurant, she can't go back to do right where Anthony gets out of prison and Anthony had nothing before this. Yeah. Except for the money that he stole from his other wife. Sure. And grew. 01:18:47 in his gambling addiction. And so he essentially gets to start over clean slate and because he didn't really have anything before. And so for him, he goes, he serves a sentence. He doesn't have any debt. He didn't take on any of that debt. He gets a divorce and he's just kind of out there free. And we don't know like what's going on in his life right now, but we do know that he had the seat. He did the same thing with his previous wife and he told her the same stuff about him being a black ops operative and being a Navy seal. 01:19:15 And like he didn't say the weird like interdimensional. Yeah. But he and then he went and did that with Sarma. And so the question is, is he out there doing this with somebody else now? We don't know. But he does have a clean slate and he can't even get in text messages. Oh, no. What's interesting is in this case, and I'm sure you could probably guess this, but this whole group of professionals from the government that he introduced her to, none of existed. Of course. What's the documentary? 01:19:44 great job illustrating this because they got actors to play the role of all those people and then when they revealed it, they had a mall like fade away because it was like none of these people are real, which was really cool. Yeah, because it was like it was like I can't believe this is a real person is like going along with this ski like he had this network of like twelve people sure, but they were none of them were real, which was a peak peak production, but anyways. 01:20:11 Okay, so she wrote a book. She did this Netflix documentary and is now like doing the podcast or thing and she's talking a lot about the document because the documentary does kind of paint it like so Alec Baldwin dodged a bullet is what it sounds like. Well, here's the thing like she herself wasn't doing any of this stuff. She got sucked into it. Here's the thing. Oh boy, this guy very clearly had a gambling addiction, of course, and I watched. I watched a psychologist try to kind of figure out 01:20:40 Yeah, like psychoanalyze this. And it was very interesting because he had one part he said, he said, how did he how did he phrase this? He said, uh and for some reason she wanted to subject her dog to an eternity with her, which is a crazy thing to say. But ah he did talk about gambling addiction. And he said the unique thing with gambling addiction is with every other addiction out there. 01:21:04 they're usually substance addictions. And so the substances, they inhibit you in some way. And so you can't feed that addiction to a certain level because your body literally can't continue to feed that. But with a gambling addiction, the more you feed that addiction, what can happen is it's this 50-50 chance. And you might be able to earn more money to feed that addiction more, or you lose money and then you go take advantage of other people to feed that addiction more. 01:21:28 And so what we see with a lot of people who get addicted to gambling is they start to take advantage of a lot of the other people in their right. Right. Right. Right. that way they can continue. Right. Because their mental state is not inhibited. They can be very sneaky and scheming and trick a lot of people because they're at a normal mental state. Their feet. But they're feeding this really toxic addiction. So the question is, like, if, if she ended up with Alec, like what this have happened because Alec didn't have a gambling addiction that we know of. 01:21:55 Alex not doing this to his actual wife that we know of right and so she was predisposed to fall victim to this. I would say because she definitely did believe in a lot of this like astral projection stuff, but oh so your victim blaming the the astrology girls, huh? I know what I would say is if you're a sad, retarious, eh it's on you. It's your fault. What I'm saying is he knew how to play her. 01:22:21 and so he yeah I could I could draw in on these beliefs and play you this way. Of course, and so I don't think out dodger bullet because I think if Alec was with her, then none of this would have happened. If you're food and wine probably was silly. Yeah wow, I mean I don't know man. I uh I struggle between like hat. 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