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00:00 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of roof man? 00:05 roof man, roof man. That's really funny that I was just talking about the text. know it really is really funny. My landlord was like hey on Saturday, October 11th, they're going to do some preventative roof maiden. And so if you see a guy up there, don't worry and then immediately text sorry wrong day and then text wrong roof. Hey guys on Monday, October 13th, he just sent the same text and just fixed the 00:28 thing. Are you trying to start the timer right now? Yeah, I just just bowed through just ignore me. No, I don't worry about me dude. I was just talking. I'm listening. I was just saying stuff. Oh hey, still talking over here. 00:43 It's easy. It's... suck. And people are like, Jaren, you seem pretty sad about stuff lately. Yeah, I think about it. I go, why look around sometimes. Oh, that's really bad. Oh, that's really bad. That's really bad. Things I learned last night. 01:13 All right, so the roof, the roof man. Yeah, this is the roof man. uh Oh, I've showed you. This is a mug shot right away. Okay, yeah, this is the this is a for audio listener. This is a mug shot. It's a plain white guy whose hairline looks like Tim's pretty far up there and but we got a comment the other day. Shush. Hold on. I'm still describing this doesn't look like he has a mustache. It looks like he drank chocolate milk poorly like it's like it's like 01:43 that it's like very thin right at his lip and then like the whole Kogan go to not go to but the mustache handlebar things, but it doesn't look the hair is not thick enough for him to do this. You know yeah all right now say what you were going to say. I was finishing up for my wife. Here's the thing I make her listen to these when we go to anywhere when we drive. I go what we should quality control an episode and so we listen to it and then she goes she'll go 02:10 he's showing another picture right before I even go yeah. So in this picture, this is what this is. She'll get mad and then I go give it a second. I'm gonna I'm gonna explain it. I got to look at it before I can describe it. We got to comment the other day. We got to comment. It says why is Tim's hairline pulled back six or seven inches? I don't know. Me neither. I don't know the answer to that. I've been asking that every day. Stop telling me you're haircut this week. 02:37 It looks pretty fresh. I didn't get a hair guy yesterday for audio listeners. uh I'm sorry about your hairline man. I walked in my the my location, my barber shop. It has two stories and the basement is like the other story that's and so they've got like three more chairs down in the basement, but they have a camera down there with a feed with a big TV screen at the top of the stairs and I 03:05 I think the reason is so like the front desk knows what's going on down there um like knows like if they're ready for you, you know, as well, because like there's a waiting down there. There's like waiting up front and so like I don't know, but also it's probably just to be like hey, like if you're down there one on one with a barber, we can see you. Maybe that's the idea. I don't know. Okay, I don't know. I don't know what you think. It's like a Walmart situation where they're like you're on camera. I don't think it's like that. I don't know. Maybe I'm right anyways. I walked in and my barber wasn't at 03:33 her chair. She was in the basement with a couple of that's probably why your hair's messed up. I'm not trying to be 03:41 I don't want kid. I want if I go to my barber, he cuts my hair. You know, I'm not listen. We're not getting into all the stuff. I'm just saying there's okay. I go in and my barber, she's down there with a couple other barbers and she's in a hot dog costume, just dancing in the basement and the the person at the front desk is like. I got you checked in. She'll be up in a minute and you're gonna look at the TV. Yeah, 04:10 and she's just down there dancing in a hot dog costume and then she comes upstairs with the hot dog costume with the costume and then you got to be like wow. Okay, so I know you were doing something really important on there. No, literally I'm not kidding. We sat down. She, you know, button me up, did the whole thing, turned me around. She's like we did the same thing as usual and I was like I saw you in that hot dog. See my barber when I sit down, he doesn't even do a cape. He makes me put on a hot dog costume 04:40 I can't cut you with what does look like is like as big as my head is. I also have a very large neck yeah and so oh the capes don't fit yeah. I feel like I'm gonna suffocate like but like I'm not choking enough like it's not like oh it's just on come. know when it's just tight enough that you're like I can't complain about this, but also like but also I don't like speaking to my large head. I did a show in Phoenix this week. I meant to bring it with me and 05:07 we can show a picture. I'll send a picture of this of me with the hat on uh a couple came to the show and she crocheted me a hat, which was very nice, and then she told me that it wasn't that she made this hat for me. She made this hat for her husband and when he put it on, it was way too big for his head and they were like oh no. Who do we know with she she goes? Oh, I know someone with a large head, so that's 05:36 That's not as nice as if you made me a hat. You don't talk about like that's not the same like you were like that's not like. Oh, let me let me have jared while I crochet this hat. It's just this is your husband's hand me ups. You know I'm about me. uh 05:56 speaking to every else. Do we we talked about when I said you hear me down like two months ago? We talk about that. I got a package in the mail and I was like I'm not expecting anything and it says from Tim and I was like oh maybe I'm thinking maybe someone sent us some promo something and he's sending me my half. No, it was just a box of hey man found these old clothes thought you might want them and they're just Tim's medium t shirts. 06:22 There was neither of us could wear anymore. By the way, was a pair of my skinny jeans. 06:31 and I was like all right, so funny. I think my wife kept the vans shirt. It's a cool shirt. It's a cool shirt. Yeah, I wish it fit. I'd still wear it hand me ups is so funny. Anyways, so the roof man. Oh, okay, I almost forgot. Okay, can you space these? Can you do that like later? Yeah, we can. We sure write it down. I don't go ahead and say what you forgot. It's our eighth birthday. Oh, that's right. We can do that now. 06:59 we've been doing this podcast for eight years. Holy cow, eight years for eight views. That's wonderful. Thank you. Thank you to all of you for being here. Also a quick shout out to Tyler Cox in in Omaha. Yeah, he booked me for a corporate gig and he he told me that he wanted a shout out in the episode and so that's not his name. I said a different one, but he knows I'm talking about. knows it's him. 07:27 isn't that funny? I'm pretty sure that's his name. Well, what if it wasn't? What if I was just like a shout out to Jason? That's really funny when people ask for a shout out be like, be like yeah, but I'm going to call you. I you'll know it's about you, but I'll make it a different name. No, just literally anybody be like, be like yeah, I'll shut you out, but I'm going to call you Tyler Cox. Yeah, so in every episode you're shouting out a shout out Tyler Cox. Tyler knitted me a hat 08:00 Okay, so the roof man didn't fit her husband, so the roof man. Here's another picture of them okay, uh rooftop suspect Jeffrey Allen Manchester. Yeah, this is the roof man. uh He was active uh in the late nineties active just okay. I guess we'll get to it, but right now it's just he's just on the roof. So this is a guy die. We'll dive right in. Here's here's what he did. He he targeted 08:30 mostly McDonald's, but some other establishments. uh It was like, bet I can get on that roof. Kind of. So what he would do is he would in the middle of the night, not in the middle of night, uh late into the evening, near closing time, climb onto the roof of McDonald's and he would bore a hole through the roof of McDonald's and get to the point where it's like, okay, I'm about through this roof and he would wait for closing time. And so they would lock up the doors and he would 08:59 bust through the roof and drop down into the McDonald's with all the employees in there and armed robbery them. uh 09:13 So what okay, so he'd land from the roof and he'd be like this is a stick up and he'd have the gun and everything. He'd fire a few shots into the wall or something. So they know he means business. Yeah, but then like his attitude shifted like he's he's a masked man fell from the ceiling, shot a couple shots in the wall yelling at them and then like he just like calm down and was like here's here's a really weird thing about him. Everybody all the officers, all the witnesses, anybody who's ever involved in one of these heists was always like he was very like 09:43 cordial and like super so he jumped to the building. It's a robbery. All right guys, so basically what I would like to do is just take some of the money and I don't want to take it all. You guys could share with me actually yeah, but I'm sorry about the hole in the roof. It's kind of like my thing. uh If people ask, just call me the roof man. He literally like I'm the roof man. 10:09 what's your name? Everybody go around the circle and introduce yourself, say of three fat employees not hear him boring through the roof earlier, like just like they're they're they're not even flipping burgers. Don't they do it like doesn't the the burger, the burger does it or slide thing or whatever they do. They're there doing the fries and stuff and then like you just hear 10:32 I don't see the ceiling. The ceiling sounds weird today. I don't know how weird you know what it is though. They all just sit there. They go. We're not paid enough to deal with that. don't care who whatever yeah and so so he just he genuinely he would introduce himself as the roof man and he would ask everybody and introduce themselves and he would start to them by not yeah. He would call them by name and so he'd be like who's the manager here. Thank you Jordan. I appreciate that very much. Which one of you's in charge? You know what? 11:01 think I hit this McDonald's a couple months ago and you were just a shift lead. Now you're one of them. I am so proud of you. 11:11 Wow and so he would ask who was ever in charge. He back. Okay, I need to see the receipts for the day. He's like I want to make sure you're giving me everything that you have and so he would cross reference the receipts. What they would give up. uh Sorry we're missing like fifteen minutes of receipts here. 11:34 and they're like yeah, sorry, sorry, there's some that's okay, that's okay. Hey, you know what? That's fine. You know it's a high ten situation. I just came to the roof. I get it. I get it. I get it. You know, adrenaline. Not every day a guy falls through your roof. Yeah, he's got his readers on with the mask. He's still wearing the mask. He puts the readers over the ski. 12:00 Yeah. How long is he in the while? It's a long time. It's a long time and so then he he gets all the money he bags. This is a late nineties yeah. This is late. Nobody's calling the police no because no one's in there. He's got a gun. No one's in there except for the employees. He waits until they lock up. Well, I know, but none of the employees are calling the police. No, no, no, they all know him. He introduced himself. Yeah. Well, what he does is hello police. 12:25 there's a very nice man robbing us right now. He's really kind. He calls himself the roof man ah and so he would he then like after he gathered whoever was in charge and got the receipts, he would gather all the employees together and be like you guys. Why don't you grab your jackets and then he'd be like you're going to want to bundle up and then he'd walk them in the first little chili. Oh 12:53 that's how we get them from call the cops. Oh you're in the freezer and he'd say don't worry, you're just going to be in there for like side, know about minutes side note about the freezer is that ah when I worked at subway, you know that like during a tornado we're supposed to get in the refrigerator yeah yeah, because if the building is taken away, those are the last things less standing yeah yeah, so you just be in there being like oh, I hope don't get in the freezer. I hope someone releases us don't get in the free. Did yours not have like a panic release? 13:23 Well, it's if stuff falls in front of it, you're stuck in there. I guess that's true. I guess I don't think about that yeah, because I mean like the electric's probably going to go out if stuff falls there, but like you know, you don't want to take a risk of being stuck in the freezer. That's true. Yeah, yeah, it was impossible at Picklemans for us to get locked in the freezer. I guess unless someone put something in front of the door yeah, like a tornado put something in front of the door like a tornado like you're never going to get out. Excuse me, 13:51 would you guys all get in the freezer? I'm an f five tornado and I would just like you guys to get in the freezer. We're Don't worry for you. It'll be a I'm going to destroy your town. It'll be in there for a while like what? Okay, yeah, I'd say you're only going to be there for thirty minutes or so. Don't worry. The police will come get you out uh and then he would with the manager get all the cash on the receipts and stuff and then he'd take the manager and load the manager in there and then before phones. I mean like cell phones. 14:20 So all the employees are just in the freezer being like this is crazy, right? Yeah, you're just stuck in there and you can't play clash of clans. This ever happened. Yeah, like you guys, you know what I miss is that during hostage situations, you should have to talk to each other. Yes, I'm opening your phone and being like I well being held hostage in McDonald's right now. uh 14:43 you just get that's what they take. That's what they took from us. Yeah, the community, yeah, exactly the community. You know you used to be able to sit there and chat with each other while you're being robbed. Yep, yep, that's exactly right and then so he'd get all the money he'd pack it up in his duffel bags um and then he'd take the manager and into the and then he would go. Can I stay on your shoulders? I go back through the whole and then there's the door 15:11 It's nice. It's the whole. It's a whole thing. It's whole thing. Don't worry about it. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. Honestly, this is why I do it. This is the best part. The best part is trying to get myself back to a grappling hook that he just and then he Indiana Jones's way out of the McDonald's crazy. No, so he takes the manager back in and then he calls from the store phone. He calls the police and he says, hey, the roof man just robbed this McDonald's at this location. 15:40 all the employees are in the freezer. You're going to want to come get them out and then he said bye and he would hang up and then he would leave. He'd walk out the front door nine one one. What is your emergency Janice Janice? Hey, the roof. It's me the roof man. Oh no, what did you do again? No, no, no, no, no, it's fine. They're all the freezer as usual. Just want to give you a heads up. Yeah, no, no, no, no, they're bundled. Is officer Daniel out on the street today? 16:09 Oh, they just had their kid. That's tell him I said congratulations. I did. I I'll to drop into the hospital later. I'll leave a gift at the next place I stop at. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I'll see you later. Yeah, kind of. And he would leave and he would park his car a few blocks away and he would literally just walk over to his car and drive away. And he did this for years. 16:36 he was active for year was seven to two thousand one across the country. He started in California, but he hit cities literally coast to coast yeah, and it was the exact same thing where he would hit a McDonald's usually a McDonald's he he hit like blockbuster. He hit a lot of us to video yeah. He hit Burger King like he they blockbuster. I don't think he did very much because they didn't have a freezer like what are you going to walk them uh yeah, you can't get in the gumball 17:05 But it clapped in the gumball machine 17:10 six six blockbuster boys found jammed into the gumball machine lol being held hostage in the gumball machine right now. 17:21 uh And so he went literally across the country, uh mostly fast food restaurants and blockbuster uh doing this thing where he would climb up in the roof, saw his way through the roof and drop down right on the roof. When he left, mean like he did, he dropped down with all of his tools. So what is interesting is they think that what he would do is he would go and like use his hands. It was, it was a different, they think he was doing it at a different time. Like he would go prep the hole and get it to where it was like 17:51 about to bust and then right before he would come up there with less tools on like the actual date where he was going to do it. So he had prepped it a day or two in advance and then he would come back and then he would just be able to go all right. We're going in and he was just jump. Yeah, he would just freaking goomba stop and then fall right through the floor. 18:13 Yes, okay, and so he had been doing this and like he's probably not landing gracefully either. You know, like he like falter the whole like only lands on his side gets up. It's like is a stick up a pop, pop, pop, pop. 18:33 My name is the roof man. Nice to meet you all. 18:39 This is what you introduce say your name now. Don't be rude. He gets the gun back out. She's the other one. Say your name. 18:53 I'm Tyler Cox. Is that your name or is that somebody in Omaha? They wanted to shout out and now you're doing it. Is that what's happened? Say your name and so he would go from mighty large hat you have 19:09 we go from city to city doing this and it was like and it was the same story every time he was super nice, super kind, very cordial, didn't hurt anyone, didn't hit anyone. It like started out aggressive, but then the whole time you like he was just so kind to everybody in the room and everybody. Everybody remarked like he was genuinely like he seems like a really good guy. Like that's how people a lot of charisma. He just seems like a great guy. Honestly, I mean he did rob us good hang and so McDonald's put out a statement because they had been the primary ones getting hit yeah. 19:39 They literally put out a statement. They said it looks like we got a real hamburger on our hands 19:49 I want to go on record that I hate companies and I've always hated companies. think, I think that honestly though, I mean, I, in the early phase of this great marketing opportunity, McDonald's was losing, honestly, no, with McDonald's business model, corporate wasn't losing a dime off of this. And so corporate, they couldn't care less if their stores were getting robbed. 20:11 I guess and so for them they were like yeah. This is cool. We're all over the news right now. Yeah, they started sending out materials for for trying to get new hires and they had a picture of the whole like the sky's the limit for your career. m 20:26 Here at McDonald's, are breaking down the glass ceiling. 20:35 so uh and ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine percent of the time this went off without a hitch. There was one time where an employee tried to be a hero and he like threw a bucket at him like a pickle bucket or something and he goes hey. He's like that was really rude. He shoot him. No, he didn't. He generally genuinely he was just like I think he genuinely we threw the bug anyway. Okay, okay, I can understand I changes are high 21:08 I get it. I'm going to forgive that already, but I do want the contents of your wallet. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna pay to Tyler Cox. 21:23 speaking of tensions being high. Can we talk about the devil wards for a second buddy? Get me on this thing, so this is like a month late when this is going to come out, but this is come out later, but the devil wards were this week. Here's the thing that happened. Okay, Shama wrote the dev awards, yeah, and get paid a month, getting get paid enough Alex Alex. You don't know this story. Do you like the you what the devil words are though? Yeah, 21:50 Dove Awards are Christian Grammys right, so the Christian music industry and Christian Christian Grammys. So they are God Grimace. I mean you know the yeah the God Grammys the anyway, ah so Forest Frank is the largest Christian artist right now. He's got millions of followers on Instagram. They use the he's the biggest guy and he's a very young dude, very young. He's later twenties, early thirties, whatever he is. Yeah, he's going to win 22:19 artist of the year, just like he did last year. Yeah right, and he went last year, got his trophy, did his speech, he said he does offer the glory of God, all that stuff good, cool puts out a video awards are on Tuesday night, puts out a video on Monday where he says hey, you know it's it's kind of tough to know where the line is between being worldly and doing you know the Christian artist thing and I dress like the world and so my music sounds like the world, but one personal conviction of mine personal conviction. 22:49 is I think I can, I can draw the line in the sand and say, I'm not going to accept a trophy or an award for my music. That's from Jesus for Jesus, right? Puts out this video. 23:03 Why did you do that? 23:06 because first of all to win the award, you have to submit to the Dove Awards, which means that your team or you submitted to the Dove Awards to win, which I found out today. He owns his label, so he is his team. So you submitted to the Dove Awards to be like guys. It's just really worldly to get awards. I am going to make millions off this. I'm going to make a ton of money and live on the beach and go surf every day and and also sell one hundred dollar hoodies on my website, but the plastic trophies where I got to draw a line in the sand. 23:34 I just think it's goofy. It is good. It's a lot of the same energy as like if a kid like the most popular kid in fifth grade and it's also like dude. You won the artist of the year. You are the top Christian artist yeah yeah and then for you to turn around and be like it's actually kind of lame that you guys celebrate that stuff and it's like people a dude and I'll tell you who else deserves an award is all of his internet fans because they deserve award for forest frank defenders. All right, maybe if we had given them an award they'll quit doing it good night dude. 24:04 Because that's what they do. listen, if that's your personal conviction, great. Whatever. And I'm also fine making money in the industry. It's a job, it's an industry. I get it. But to make that video, it just is condescending. It feels very intentional because he has to apply for it. So it feels very intentional that it's like, I'm going to apply for it, and then this gives me an opportunity to make some content to be like, oh, I'm better than all of you. I'm so whole. And people are like, oh, but he didn't say that. It's like, well, listen, my personal conviction 24:31 it's the same way of us. If I was to say, I think it's worldly to watch the Super Bowl. If you're a fan of mine, then you would go, uh, should I not watch the Super Bowl? Even though I didn't say that, even though I didn't say, Hey, you shouldn't watch Super Bowl. Me going for me, that's personal invasion. I don't want to do that because I don't want to be like the world. It just casts it where it's like all the other Christian artists are like, um, okay, I guess it's just, it's just lame, you know, 24:59 Yep. Yep. So anyway, I was just mad about it. Yeah. Yeah. I think you should be. It's gross. I don't think we should be. It's fine. It's whatever. They're doing a weird halftime show now. They're like, bad bunnies doing nothing. We got to do a different halftime. You know what? Guys, quit being freaking weird. Yeah. Why are we being so freaking weird, dog? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Yeah. 25:24 I have a lot to say about it, but I'm not gonna well. You know what and that's your personal conviction. I just think it's weird. I don't know. I'm uncomfortable with all. I am increasingly uncomfortable with a lot of the stuff that's coming out of a lot of the Christian world and the most influential people in the Christian space. Like are you just seeing people and you go? I think you're more interested in being an influencer than you are hundred percent. know hundred percent 25:49 and it's I get it because it's the same stuff we used to post when we were in Christian College. If I post and I'm just like I don't need to go out on the weekends and drink because I have God and you're just like why did you post that you post? Why did you post our not even post it from a bar, but it's like why do you why what's the motivation behind posting it? The motivation behind posting it is to be like hey guys, I'm actually better than and like and even though it's not explicit and that's where I think that 26:17 I don't think college me knew that that was what I was doing yeah. It made me feel good to go. Oh, I'm not like those people a hundred percent. It makes me feel great to be like you know, and I did that to a cop in college. What'd say to a cop in college? I was, I was driving down Glenstone late one night and it was like one of those checkpoints and he asked for my ID and he was like, he's like, you've been drinking tonight and I literally was like I go to a Vangel. I said, I said no, I'm straight and he was like okay. 26:47 No, I actually follow the Lord and you're like freaking be normal dog. You know, yeah, he booked me. It feels a lot of it and this is obviously bigger than the forest frankly situation thing. It's just so much stuff, especially now feels very performative and the reason that we have to do this. All right, tangent time. The reason that we feel like we have to be performative and the the personal like it's the same kind of 27:15 thing when people who are not in shape talk about how much they work out yeah yeah or it's just like dude. If you were consistent with your diet and working out, you don't have to tell everyone that you're working out all the time. Yeah, they can see it. You know the results are there. Yeah, it's it's whenever there's the insecurity of the. don't want to be seen as a person who is lazy and has no self discipline, so I have to then signal that I'm not is like that's 27:43 you know that's. I think that's where we're at and the reason that we're there is because we're so disconnected from our personal communities. We talked a lot about community on the show before. I know we're doing a soul side tangent. We're getting back to the roof guy in a second. Chill out. You know what? Skip it. Who cares? 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 whatever. All right, if you don't like my hot takes, but uh we're so disconnected from community that we don't have enough people who do know our history. We don't have like like and we don't have enough people who will who will walk with us while we suck. 28:13 Yes. We like we you get dropped by everybody online the first second you're an actual human. Well, but also everyone online is only interacting with who you are in that moment. Yeah. What blip that they see of you. They're not they don't know context of who you've been before. They have no history of this is who you were 10 years ago. This is who you are now. And they also have no interest in who you're going to be 10 years from now. They like all they care about is that little blip in that little moment. And so that creates a situation where a lot of us start to try to 28:42 more often signal who we hope to be and who we want to be. We're putting on this like yeah, I am this. I'm you know, I this is this is where I draw the line. This is my personal convictions because we don't have enough people in our own personal community because like the quit, easiest solution for the whole forest frank thing is just don't submit to the dev awards. Just don't submit and then just like you're already the biggest name of Christian music. Just 29:05 keep being the biggest. Just keep doing that. Keep doing the art. And like I'm not even saying that his heart is in the wrong place for not deciding that to go. Yeah, I don't even think he had like a dark intention of posting it and being like I want to make everyone else feel bad, but the results are the same. Yes, you know, yeah, and it could be that that could be a motivation. Sure again, I don't know his context. Yeah, yeah, you just see the video right and then you're left to try to assume and I'm not trying to. I'm just saying that action then like 29:35 when I was doing those actions, these were our motivations. I can be honest about that now yeah right yeah, but it's the same thing when people comment on my posts and like you know, obviously people will try to do physical stuff. Whether it is like well, like the fat guy or whatever. They don't know the context of where I was before yeah, you know, but the other side of that is that when I see that comment, I know the context of where I was before and none of my friends make those jokes because they know the context of where I was before yeah. 30:04 So all that to say if you feel yourself in a situation where you feel like you're having to not prove yourself, but tell people who you are and feeling a pressure to try to paint a picture of who you are, who you who you might want to be probably because you're feeling disconnected from people yeah, so that's interesting anyway, and that's what I want you to know. I'm a really good friend. 30:29 Yeah, yeah, I tried to hang out. That's why and that's why you're not trying to hang out with Tim's family tonight. I said hey after the shoot, can I just come over and hang out with you and Brian Archer and he goes weeknights aren't great. That's not at all. I said okay, that's not at all. I said can I come on a different time? He said we're busy. He has no word is too busy. I did offer different. here I am trying to be involved in your kid's life. I don't want your kid to just know me as the voice, the other end of the voice on your 30:57 my dad's laughing podcast. You know, it's laughing. Who's the guy that talks during that podcast? I shared. You don't know him. We've never let him over to the house. We got a picture of you holding a yeah last time that's Alex. Who is Jared? You know 31:23 Let me hang out with your face. Let me hang out with your Let me see your kid. I just really hope his next or and I'm screaming. Let me see your kid. 31:42 I think he has to report that I come over to your house tonight. Yes, if that's how you're going to ask, I would like you to get in your freezer. So anyway, don't you have a drawer freezer? Oh yeah, we do have no. We do have a stand up at the basement also yeah, pull to freezer house all over here guys. Yeah, well wait till you have to start storing milk. literally 32:12 filled that anyways. We don't have to talk about that. I have a I store milk. I just love milk. I got it. I got every kind. What do you want? got vitamin D. I got a very thin backyard and half of it's taken up by my dairy cow. I keep. Oh shoot my landlords here. I think he's gonna shoot. You gotta hide my dairy cow from my landlord. Get the cow inside quick. 32:44 I was like hey, do you have any pets? No define pet. I wouldn't say she's a pet. Now I do got some stock. 33:02 all right. Oh my God, I'm glad we did that tangent. That was good. That was good. I yeah. I thought we were just going to make fun of force frank, but that actually turned into like something. I was trying. I was trying to explain why it was. It's not upsetting to me. I'm not like mad about it. I'm it's upsetting to me. 33:18 Thanks for watching our show. you like it, a great way to help out is by being a Patreon supporter. 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But if not, right back to the episode, right? 34:09 So anyways, he had been doing this for years. um They think they're pretty sure that he was responsible somewhere in the ballpark. They don't know how many of these they can pin directly on him, um which is weird because I would think that the thing is they don't know if it's like copycats because it is like someone's cutting a hole in the roof and dropping right into the store. They don't know how many of them were the same guy, but they think they believe 40 to 60 robberies. 34:37 across the country. Literally, how much money is he taking each time? You know, I mean, however much is in a McDonald's at end of the day, a million. How much is that? I don't know how much money I mean, mean, McDonald's is not like cash heavy. I mean, this is this is the nineties, so there wasn't like as much people using credit cards. A lot more people were buying were shopping as much people using credit cards. Yeah, as many people use there wasn't that much people using credit cards. What too many people credit carding? uh 35:06 Not a lot of credit. Oh, that's even better. That's better than what I said. I tried to be dumber and I got smarter. No, so there was a lot more cash being used. OK, so I mean, it's probably somewhere in the ballpark of like 10 to 20 grand, I would assume. Sure. Is what was in there in cash. The a lot of people have talked about like why choose McDonald's and the theories out there. 35:34 are you know you could do a bank and get a lot more cash from a bank, but there's better security. I'm don't they are robbing teenagers yeah robbing teenagers who don't get paid enough to go to the night shift yeah like they just they don't care and so you know how like people rob that have rob stores. Now have you heard about the you know about the gift card hole situation? 35:57 so nothing this has happened in a couple of the subways around the area. That is why I know about this, but what they'll do is they'll call the subway and they'll go hey. I think this is and they'll even say it's like the FBI or whatever they'll go. Hey, we're doing a sting operation on your on your boss and we know that your boss is doing this and if you hang up then we're going to you you're an accomplice to them or whatever. What we need you to do is I need you to pull out two hundred dollars from the cash register 36:25 and go across the street to the dollar general gift card for two hundred dollars and then read me the number on that card and when you hear that you go. That's crazy. No one would fall for this right, but in the moment when you're on the phone and you're a sixteen year old kid, yeah, it's just like 36:45 oh okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, you and it's like and they're like they're like we know and if you hang up and you're you're in trouble and like of this yeah and it doesn't it's not like they just go okay, go get a gift card like it's they're on the phone with you for half an hour and then they walk you through that kind of stuff yeah right yeah and or they like one one person tried to call one of the stores and found out my mom's name because my mom's the regional manager and was like this is Christy 37:12 and the person was like your voice is a little too deep. Just kidding, but like you know hung up and was like that's not Christy yikes and so there. mean they're and with I mean hey not to cause us to crash out. You want to freak out for a second with AI. They can make it sound just like like anybody yeah, just like a specific. I FaceTime you and be that person yeah ha ha ha. It's it's easy. It's things suck 37:42 Did you see? Oh, I'm drawing a blank on his name right now. Their brothers, they box a one wrestles. Oh, Hank, Hank Green, green. Yeah, you're right. I like the alternate universe where the Paul brothers are the green brothers, where the green spot, the Paul brothers are really thoughtful and like which Paul brother Logan. Yeah, not all of leading worship. 38:12 yeah, well, it's jake paul. just got all these a videos like hundreds of AI videos of yeah since or two came out of him doing stuff. He's not doing and it's pretty funny. He had to put out a video to be like hey, this isn't funny. Yeah, I make a logo on it still, so it's like hey guys, that video that you saw is not me just so you know I would not do those things. They can't every, but it's getting close to mouth, very close and here's the thing they're trying to they were talking about making a whole feed. I know we're getting the roof stuff, but like 38:41 I know you're really interested. You're like talk about the but the roof, you know, no and so, but they have the whole feed like they're talking about doing a whole feed of a videos. Yeah, are you into that? Yeah. Does anybody want that? No wants that speaking of AI, though read those comments. We got all these com. Oh my gosh yeah on the project blue beam episode on YouTube. If you don't remember the project blue beam episode, you definitely should watch it, but long for a short. It's an alien episode yeah and I'm going to read you 39:09 I'm going to read you two or three comments and see if you can pick up. me if you know what's going on here. What's going on so because like I looked at these are new comments and these are all three hours ago. At this point, there's twelve of them twelve new comments. This is an old episode. This is like two or three years ago. I appreciate how this video keeps the vibe chill, but still sneaks in some real deep stuff when they mentioned Sergey Manas warning about religion and illusion merging with tech. I thought of the project blue beam by hail Palmer 39:37 That book hits differently because hail explains like a blueprint, not just a rumor. Here's another comment. LMAO the way they joked about governments dropping UFOs for engagement had me dying, but also thinking too hard from the book, the project blue beam by hail Palmer hail mentioned hit 39:56 the fake alien is a different one. The fake alien part Loki gave me chills alien emoji. The way they joked about the government setting up holograms in the sky sounded funny, but it reminded me of something I read from the book, the project blue beam by hail Palmer. This is twelve different comments from like all these different YouTube accounts that clearly this person hail Palmer all hail the Palmer all hail Palmer, but a and that's 40:21 bought a bunch of bod, so and I really hired an agency. He probably doesn't know that the agency is doing this and you should. You should know this about social media. Yeah, the thing you're arguing you're getting all these like threads arguments and like arguing on Facebook comments. You should know that you are most likely arguing with an A. I. That's only prompt is disagree disagree. You are arguing with a and they'll say something back here. Like how does any person think that that's true and you'll get all worked up literally? I will see it in my comment section. I will see people argue for fourteen hours. 40:51 I'll post something in the Morgan. That's like a little stupid little joke. Yeah, I got posted with my Halloween thing and I was like don't let your kid dresses Thomas the Tank Engine. You know it's gonna ruin their life and the comments are insane and they're fighting over like well, here's the true origins. First of all, don't talk to me about Halloween. All right, I know about how eight years ago and so ah but like they're just saying stuff and then I will come back later that night and the same two people. My favorite thing to do when two people are arguing one of my posts 41:20 I let him argue. They'll argue for days yeah yeah yeah they'll go back and forth for two or three days and then right at the heat of the argument. I'll block both of them and they'll never get the resolution for that conversation. They're just stuck, just stuck. That's that's diabolical. I just go block block be free. m 41:44 but you know they're looking at their their look at their notifications. They're to find it. They can't find the like oh, but I said this. Oh, I said something so good to this guy here and you're like they're just stuck on the edge for the rest of the life. Just decided I don't know what I think about that. I don't know who I become. I become very un Christian in my responses. I don't know who I become when I respond to people on threads, especially because someone the other day was like I posted about the Halloween thing. I was like addresses Thomas. I think engine when I was six and my life has been bad ever since yeah and so I responded. This was 42:14 Oh, this was decades ago. Let it go. I go decades. I'm 15. 42:21 or someone was like wow. This is really sad that you're holding on to this Halloween's been around for way longer than you and I said well, how he was invented when I was four maybe Google stuff before you just respond and like I've just decided that I'm just going to say stuff. I'm just going to be rude because it might be an AI. Yeah, it might be a robot, so take that bot, but that's where we're at. Yeah, it's a mess. It's, but the other thing to what sucks and to get into the you know the 42:49 the crash out that we have often. We often have this is that somebody who's a normal person or at least used to that will read a hundred comments that say this absurd stupid thing right that were made by AI and then they will go. Oh, the majority of people think that yeah, which is and they will either crash out because they think the majority of people think that or begin to change their well because the whole cracker barrel stuff. 43:17 You know we saw that like what was it more than sixty percent of the engagement that came in the cracker barrel conversation was bots yeah yeah which that agency should have a lawsuit against somebody for that maybe look it's who who do you open AI? Oh they don't care do it the whole they should they don't though the whole no I know know open AI doesn't but that that agency that created that logo sure like they they're getting blacklisted from design now but the whole so the whole 43:45 you know, M. O. Of open A. I. Are these large companies is they have enough money to see me there the copyright stuff where it's like they were. They wanted you to have to opt out where it's like hey, don't you can't use our stuff. Otherwise, we're just going to use it unless you tell us not to yeah, which is insane and be like I'm going to break into your house unless you tell me not to don't I'm going to I'm going to bore a hole in your roof unless you say not to let you say no. That doesn't make that okay yeah, but what they're they're up with their 44:13 viewpoint is is we're just going to do it. We're going to get sued of course, but by allowing all this content to be in our Sora products or our uh our generation videos, then we're just going to capitalize that market. Then by the time that you those lawsuits come to pay out, they're going to settle most of them out of court. We're going to settle it for you know, even if it cost us 44:40 six billion dollars, we made 200 billion. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And that's the stuff that's radicalized me. For real. Genuinely, even if it cost them 200 billion, they're going to make that up the next year. We made it up. You're going to make it up the following year. That sucks. It's insurmountable. That's so insane. Yeah, it is. That's correct. 45:05 and it's and people were and people are like me and jaren. You seem pretty sad about stuff lately. Yeah, I think about it. I go, I why look around sometimes? Oh, that's really bad. Oh, that's really bad. That's really bad. That's really bad. Also random. That's so So bad. 45:30 and then I look up and you go. Why don't you make another joke about chick-fil-a? Why don't you be funny for a minute? Can you be funny again? Please sorry I got to quit reading books. Sorry, need to quit paying attention. That's what it feels like anyway, so this guy, not Frank post and says oh, I'm not going to go to the double wars because the double wars are dumb and stupid and worldly and then it just pushes us all over the edge. Meanwhile, he's settling my lawsuit with him outside a court 46:00 no, but for real anyway, we do crash out about it often. It's a good time, ah so the world's fine and good. Don't worry about it, so Ruffin Rob's forty to sixty McDonald's across the country, a couple Burger Kings, a couple block, but and that's the other thing you said earlier too. They can pay for it. They don't care. Yeah, they don't care at all. They're somewhere in the middle of this. They started to realize. Oh, you know this might be dangerous, and so they did put out a bounty on them. They put a ten thousand dollar bounty on his head. 46:28 and by down to like it wasn't like a kill that guy and bring up the corporate yeah. It was like any information will give a ten. we put bounties down on each other? Yeah, I'll give you ten thousand dollars. If you bring me is that on a no, that was not what I was going. What do you mean? Because you mean by you just looked at the camera and said, I'll give you ten thousand dollars. If you kill Jaren, I did say that I said. If you bring me his head on a platter, 46:56 There are ways you can do that while you're alive. 47:01 What do you mean by bounty? What I mean? What else could a bounty be? Do you think that bounty hunters go kill people? I mean the good ones. What I'm saying is could we just put it out there to rope them up? like rope them up. What is the? What world do you live in the bag? bounty hunter is going out with a lasso or killing someone and bringing their head on a silver platter. I mean 47:30 if a bounty hunter can arrest me and take me to your house. Yeah, I just show up at your driveway just come. Well, we got to figure out how to pay for this buddy. This is a really funny podcast bit. That's a good bit, but now we have to take out a loan to pay this guy. It'd be worth it. That hunters are don't glorified ransom. Holders is what it is. 47:57 That is true. Their legal right and they hold they they arrest you and then they go to the police department and they go pay me ten thousand dollars. Not give you this guy. Yeah, that is a little. Why is that allowed to be allowed? Who knows just so so they put on a bounty McDonald's, Donald puts out a bounty for him. I don't know if they ever paid that bounty because no one ever was able to give any information on who it was yeah. What ended up happening on May twenty two thousand he is in uh North Carolina 48:26 And he broke his rule. And I don't know if we don't have like interviews with this guy. So we don't know if it was a rule, but based on patterns, he would never rob more than once in a day. And he would never rob any stores that were close to each other. Like he would rob and then he would skip town and he would show up in a different town and rob that town weeks later. And so there was one day, May 20th, 2000, he hit one McDonald's and then he went about six miles to the other side of town and hit another McDonald's. And 48:56 This was his fatal flaw because ah at the second location, one of the employees triggered a silent alarm and he wasn't aware that they did that. And so he ran through the forest to a nearby church where he parked his car and a cop that was, they were already looking for him. They were already on the hunt. Saw him come out of the forest and run towards that car. And then he ran back into the forest when he saw the cop and the cop was like, I saw you. 49:20 you're not getting away. I'm a forest guy. They call me the forest man, the forest man. I'm not the roof and I swear you call me forest Frank. So once he realized the cop was chasing him, he didn't put up a fight. He just walked over and he gave him his hands and he's like what's your name? He goes Sir, he's like he's like guess I'm arrested aren't I well shucks. You know what he was trying to do is he's putting a hole in all those buildings. He was going to put gigantic hamster tubes and connect all of them 49:51 so that way he can all right. I'd be like I was trying to just crawl across the country. I go to the next McDonald's building a tube system. What's that to running across our city? Oh, that's the roof. That's the McDonald's super high way yeah. Every McDonald's in the country is connected by one of those tunnel boy tunnel boy. They smell that using all the material from the play place. It's also crazy. They used to have a play place 50:20 and also McDonald's is McDonald's still a safe place like to drop off. That's crazy. You're talking about is McDonald's still a safe place. Do you know what that is like yellow sign? That's a safe place. I have no yeah where you can just abandon a child there. It's crazy that you that's what that sign McDonald's a sign means you if you see the safe place sign. That means that if you want to surrender your kid, you can just drop them off. You can give a kid to the fire station, the fire station. I'll like well take this kid 50:45 yeah and then you know the permit the foster yeah McDonald's is a safe place or at least it historically has been yeah, but I did. Would they train the employees on what to do? Yeah, the sixteen year old kid at the front counter is like oh fresh baby. You got a guy dropping to the ceiling right? Hey guys, just here to rub and then someone else is like yeah. Hold on. Where's your mom? 51:13 kids like that is insane. That McDonald's was ever a safe place. That is genuinely insane. I love the idea that someone just brought their kid to work. There is in the back working and a manager was like oh, a loose child loose child. We know what to do with that and then so I heard that kid to the police. All the place was like hey, we got a kid. We got a kid here yeah and then the employee in the back is done with their shift and they're like they just got let out of the freezer 51:42 that is true because McDonald's are always just kind of uh back at when this was a thing when they had play places. McDonald's were just crawling with kids. They'd be all over the place. They'd be running like I mean, how do know when I was growing up? My mom worked at subway like for in the physical subway and I would just be in a booth yeah and it's very possible that I mean you know most employees probably know, but there's way more employees in McDonald's than there are as subway subway. There's like three people working yeah. 52:07 and McDonald's entirely possible for someone to go. Whose kid is that? I was good is that and then for another employee to go. I don't know and then those two employees are render under the state render him to the state. That's crazy. My fourth birthday party was at subway. That's real. That's a good party. It was great subway. You didn't even close it. My mom was just working subway in the late nineties early two thousands was so good still is. It still is good, but it's not what it was. I used to be so you know why 52:35 a while. You want crash out again? No, we don't have time to crash out. I I'm we're genuinely not even halfway through this story. Oh shoot at three hours. We can crash out about the story. What else have okay? I'll shut up, so we'll crash out about say hey, if you want to hear us crash out about subway, why don't you join us on page right in here next week's episode? It's available right now. 53:00 and next week we crash out about why subways quality is gone down. Remember like remember that for the next episode. We need to bring that up. 53:11 stupid, so he turns himself in okay and they take them. They take him to jail. They are interviewing them. They him on the second floor. That's their flaw. They're interviewing him and he is claiming he's just a copycat. He's like he's like I'm not the guy and do all those. I just saw what he did and I was like oh, this sounds like a good idea and then they go. Yeah, but what about the one on other side of town? He goes he was here today. 53:42 I should have got an autograph. Wow. I believe I shared this. I so close to my hero and so far. Roof. 53:57 That is so much oh you hate that it got you, so he's claiming he's just a copycat on one hand is somewhat believable because this is genuinely the only time he ever did two places in one day and it's the only time he ever got caught. So it's somewhat believable that it might have been the same guy or a copycat, but either way they did not believe them. 54:22 they did not have evidence to connect them to any other ones, though they just had evidence to connect them to these yeah, but as the nineties, so we know how the story goes. So he goes to trial and they try him for the two robberies that they do have an actual connection that they do, so he gets a hard do both of those. Yes, he for sure did both of them this guy yes, and so he gets charged with these two crimes and and this is our thin mustache guy. Yes, yeah got it yeah. This guy yeah the rooftop suspect 54:51 ah And so he gets charged with these two robberies and they go through the whole uh Court hearing and sentencing and what they ended up doing is they sentence him to 45 years in prison Which is pretty clear that they said yeah, we know we only have evidence for two of these but we're gonna charge you with all of them under the books and so he gets 45 years in jail and 55:18 they bounced him around prisons for a few years and he eventually landed at the Brown Creek uh Brown Creek Correctional Center in like South, uh South Eastern um North Carolina, like a little outside of Charlotte. uh Just say North Carolina, Southeastern, South, East, South, North Carolina, West of Charlotte. It was it was m 55:46 South, Eastern, North Carolina, West of Charlotte, West or North Carolina, East of Charlotte, Southwestern yeah, that's right, North Carolina, just of Charlotte, Charlotte, just north of South. uh Why do you do all that just north of South Carolina? Gosh, hey Tim, could you quit laugh? We got a lot to get to. We're only halfway through the story right now. Could you buckle up? Can you pull it together? Okay, yes, I can. I can't do that. 56:15 So he goes to this prison, he's in this prison for serving his 45 year sentence. uh And over the course of a couple of years, he ends up, ah he's a really nice guy. People like him. So they start to, like because of his good behavior, he starts getting privileges and eventually he gets the right to begin working. So he starts working in the prison uh and he ends up working in the metal shop. And the thing about the roof man, Jeffrey. 56:44 is he's very astute. Like he's always paying attention to his surroundings. So he begins to pick up that the prison is very uh regimented. Everything is on a schedule. Everybody does the exact same thing at every time, at every like to the minute every day. And he realizes that this metal shop he works at has delivery trucks that come in every day, drop off their deliveries and leave at the same time every day. Same exact schedule. And so during his shifts, he begins to build a box. 57:14 and it's this plywood box that he paints black on the bottom. We spent so much time doing other stuff and you're a do I 57:21 really interesting story. We've been covering the really interesting story. You stop the story's been interesting the whole time. Do bits. I did not tell you to do bits. I never told you to do bits. There was a bit. There was a bit that we we we had gaslighting me right now. You were here for that right. We had a cover earlier when he said yeah, you literally went. You literally went looking like I look at you. I was like I don't have any bits today and you're like look. I looked at my note. Yeah, you said you have any bits and I said looking to see if you got any. We could do bits 57:47 I didn't say I didn't say I never I never acted like this episode needed the bit I never, but every episode, we've read a ble a me. It's no. I wish I had some fruit snacks. I'm so mad 58:01 Ha 58:03 I'm not saying I'm not saying I need some fruit snacks to calm down. I need to raise my blood sugar. I'm not saying you. I did it. I told you not to do bits. I'm telling I didn't tell you we needed to pump this full of bits. This is you brought the devil words yeah, but how you you started to tell him about that. I was like no, this is perfect. Let's tell him in this episode. Let's drag force Frank's name video. We're going to put on the internet. Let's not do it in private. This is my personal conviction. 58:33 Okay, so he builds this little box and by box look, it's like it's more of like a plywood platform with a couple edges on the side. Okay, he paints it black and what he does is he waits and are the people at the prison not like what are you building? You know, saying like he's just doing this in the shop. He works at the shop. Everyone's just like yeah, that's whatever a that must be for 59:01 the guards. The guards have no idea what they're working on. They're like yeah, they got an assignment. All right, sure. I work on their working on their work. You know, yeah, it's a really big license plate. He's building that license plate must be for a semi truck. It's a big one yeah, because everybody knows semi drugs got big license. So he builds the second half of that didn't need to be said. You have to understand that I'm trying 59:28 Hey, thanks for listening to Things I Learned Last Night. It would do us a huge favor if you could just share this episode with somebody or just share the show. Tell someone you like it. That helps us grow the show. Another way to help us grow the show is to support our merch, which is actually super comfy. We changed to a new merch supplier a couple years ago called Fourth Wall. You can buy our stuff at shop.tillen.com. None of this is a pressure, by the way, but it just really does help us grow the show and it helps, you know, get the word out and people ask me about my hoodie in the airport all the time. So they're really comfy. Would love for you to support the show. 59:57 And either way, thanks for being here. We're glad that we get to do this podcast. 01:00:13 Give it a second buddy, calm down. He builds a start over. 01:00:29 So he builds this enclosure and he waits for a master. 01:00:38 Okay. And he waits for one of those delivery trucks to come. Yeah. The delivery truck comes, they're dropping everything off. He waits for no one to be looking and then he runs over there with his enclosure and he slides underneath the thing and he pulls it up and he hangs to the undercarriage of the truck with that. So no one, just looks like this black box when they do the mirror underneath. Yeah, it's just black. And so the delivery truck pulls out of the bay from the wood shop, drives the prison walls. 01:01:06 The guards do the mirror thing and it's just the black. And then he, they just drive away with him hanging on the bottom of the truck and he waits for the truck to get a few miles away. And at a stop, he just drops and it just keeps driving. And then he rolls out of the road and runs into the forest and then he's home free. And so the one caveat, the guy is wearing a prison jumpsuit. Yeah. And so he traded some cigarettes while he was in the prison. 01:01:34 that I don't know how he acquired, but you know, think it's a way. So you trade some cigarettes for makeshift sewing supplies and he sewed street clothes out of his bedding and so he made like a t shirt and like pants and so when it looked like it probably didn't look good, but it didn't look like prison clothes sure point and so he changed into that in the woods walked out and he hitchhiked to Charlotte and he gets to Charlotte and he's got nowhere to go nowhere to stay, but he's not in prison and so he's walking around Charlotte 01:02:05 looking for somewhere to be, and so he just happens upon a toys or us in the suburbs of charlotte. He walks around toys arrest till closing time and he finds the bike rack and in the bike rack behind the bike rack. There's this little cubby door of like some like a crawl space with like some pipes and stuff, and so he just crawls in there around closing time and just waits. Oh okay, okay, okay. He's gonna rob toys are us and so then toys are us closes 01:02:33 and he waits in there until everyone's gone and then he comes out and he lives inside of toys are he's in toys of us alone and so he goes he goes back to the mandor sweet and he finds their centers sweet yeah to his back to the box that they've got it sitting up top. You know they can look down stock full of chicken strips. Isn't that crazy that like the richest route like you can buy a sweet at like an NFL game and it's still just 01:03:02 and the reason for that is because Cisco food distribution is the only food distribution that the companies can use and subway uses them and that's why all food tastes bad. Yeah, we're going to crash out about it, but I'm also going to crash out about right now, so okay, he goes to the manager suite yeah and he gets out the the owner's manual for their security system and he reads all about it and he learns like how 01:03:32 Oh yes, okay, and he learns how still VHS at this point right yeah. He learns how the cameras work and he just learns how to make sure he doesn't end up on any of the cameras overnight and so he takes control of their security system, their camera system and all of their like motion detectors and stuff like that and he just develops this routine where day after day he sits in this cubby where the bikes go and sits in there while the stores open and when the store closes he gets out and he rides the bikes around toys or us 01:04:01 he climbs up to the roof and he raises a little like like it's toys are us dude who wouldn't want to live there yeah. He gets a remote control car and he takes it up to the roof and he's remote control trying from the roof and then he's like he's eating. He's surviving off of the all the little kids, that's and baby food like he's just eating that stuff. That's that's has sustenance. They sell baby food at Toys R Us. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, they had the before babies are us was a separate building. It was like a wing 01:04:28 of toys or us and then they bring us out to a whole nother building and then they went out of business yeah so but at this is this day this point in time is and mean at least you're not in you live in a toys or us, but at least you're not in prison. I guess yeah yeah and so he does this for a couple months same towards or us same toys arrest he starts so every night he's going into toys arrest and the employees aren't like and he's nice. Yeah, they're like what's up Jeffrey? 01:04:58 Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't know if he's like they're like. I've never seen that guy buy something. Have you the vibe I get from the vibe I get is that nobody in toys arrest sees him because like he hides in that cubby throughout the day and he comes out at night. He's like a little goblin. 01:05:16 he's a buzz like your and he just plays with the toys overnight. That's crazy and eats the baby. That's what I'm saying. Just freaking a play with toys at least I'm not in prison and then, but he starts to get a little lonely and so he starts kind of like 01:05:44 okay. I need to start robbing places to make money. It's the only skill I have and he's like I need to start kind of looking around town getting into this community to see where the places are that I can rob, toys or us. I live. This is home, that's home and so he ends up befriending a local woman by the name of Lee Wayne Scott and they kind of like start to build like an actual genuine relationship and he tells her local woman. He does her say that what I want to be friends, a local woman, 01:06:14 what am I supposed to call her? I don't know you even friends, some chick ways that that's way. Worse, see the friend, friend, so I'm a chick. He even friends, a local woman. I said it the right way sure, so he tells her that he works at a very secure facility. It works for the government and it's a top secret facility. 01:06:37 and she's like I don't even know where it is and he's she's like that's the best. whole point yeah he's like he actually lives in this facility. It's like a top secret facility. He lives and works in and he can't tell her anything about what she does or what he does and she believes he has different clothes by now. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and also he stole them from the rest. He's wearing baby clothes. He's wearing a very stretch out so dinosaur t shirt. 01:07:03 I just wore pajamas. I mean, it's just like, yeah, I can't tell you what I do. you what I do. 01:07:13 Okay, no, I assume and I don't know this like there's not reports, but I assume he probably was skimming some cash at toys arresting going and buying clothes. I assume like that's maybe our yeah. I don't know what about the showering at this stage. I do know a later stage, but at this stage I don't know about showering um and so Lee Lee was very involved at a local church called Crossroads Presbyterian Church, so he starts going to church with her and he starts attending a small group. 01:07:42 here's the thing he can't tell everyone his real name, so he's going by the name John Zorn and so they all know him as John Zorn, John Zorn Zorn Zorn Zorn, yeah cool name, John Zorn and so oh that reminds me we got to shout out John Zorn who on Nebraska is a fourteen year old kid who listens to our show. 01:08:05 and left a left a review and was like, please give me a shout out. We'll shout out to you, Johnny Zorn, Johnny Zorn. um So he actually starts stealing toys from toys or us and donating them to the church. And so every time he comes to church, he's got more toys for the community and everyone's like man, this John Zorn is such a good guy. Yeah, he starts doing it for Lee. Lee's got some kids and so she's like, oh, this is great. Like he's bringing toys 01:08:33 like he's bringing Christmas Decorations, year, they're still in toys from those. Hey, so are the ones your stepdad gave you just so you know, so he's becoming like ingrained in the community. Like he's actually becoming like involved in the sure. Meanwhile, he's like he's like I got to get my next robbery going and so he's like I can't like live in toys or us forever. 01:08:57 and so he realizes in a long term plan. Yeah, he realizes what's convenient about this choice of us is right next door. There's a circuit city and circuit city had already shut down and so this is an abandoned circuit city and so one night while he's what year is this now is this two thousand four okay yeah and so one night he's sitting in his little cubby behind the bikes and he burrows through the wall into the circuit city and so now he's got a secret passageway 01:09:23 between toys, arrest and circuits. Wait, what? Oh, the buildings are connected. The buildings are connected yeah, and so he burrows through the wall into the abandoned circuit city. Oh, he really does Shawshank Redemption, and so he gets into the circuit city and he finds a spot uh and a stairwell to like the circuit city basement and he builds a an apartment there and so he paints the walls. He puts up some posters from the toys arrest. There's like Spider Man posters on the wall. He gets a TV. I don't know how he got the TV, but he got a so those are to us 01:09:52 It might have been circuit city actually because there's some products that I don't think that is listed that he has in his apartment, but they don't be circuit city. It seems like a city, so he's got a tv, he's got a dvd player, he's got a collection of dvds, he's got a mattress in there, he's got a stockpile of baby food and children's room. It's like it's like any staircase. It's like the spot underneath the staircase and so he painted the walls in that spot and put a bed in there and so he's basically it's like it's not big. It's like probably smaller than this room. 01:10:19 yeah, but it's big enough for him to put a little mattress and a tv up and some posters and paint the walls and like no one's well circuit cities abandoned. Yeah, no one's in that circuit city anymore sure, and so he's just living in this room and he's got a stockpile of all his food there. His kids snack is baby that feels risky to me, but okay yeah and all his favorite action figures from the store and what he ends up doing is he actually steals a bunch of baby monitors from toys or us and he mounts them all over toys or us and he has the baby monitors in his 01:10:49 in his circuit city apartment so he can kind of monitor and know when it's safe to go in at Toys R Us and what sides of Toys R Us he can go to. 01:10:59 Yeah, so in the nineties, just a recap in the nineties, he broke into McDonald's and blockbuster and Burger King, right then for four years in the two thousand he was in prison right now for at least a solid year in two thousand four. He is just surveilling a specific toys are us in southwest North Carolina, east of Charlotte. 01:11:26 Yeah, you're north of South Carolina, correct, north of South Carolina. That's true. That is correct in the Eastern time zone. 01:11:42 yeah you're you're dead on your dead on and so and then he actually pipes a water line from the toys or us into his little apartment so he can shower. It's so he puts a little shower in his little apartment and because he just tapped the water line and ran it all the way in okay, and so he's got a whole set up there. He's like living out of this place and it's a pretty comfortable life for him. Where's that water running off to 01:12:08 there's probably I assume like it's the bottom of a it's a basement stairwell, so I'm assuming like a water drain somewhere in there. I'm assuming he assumes to it's just a pool of his used shower water somewhere in that Sergan City Basement, um so he's living down there for a while. How long is this going on? I don't know exactly how long, but I do know that over the course of that year he conducts a couple of the robberies. 01:12:36 that were like they seem to be preparation robberies. um The big one being he robbed a uh pawn shop to get a gun. And I don't know the details of that robbery and how he ended up getting out with that gun. But he I do know he managed to rob ah a pawn shop and get the gun. So he acquires a gun. uh And one morning he wakes up and uh it's boxing day. 01:13:04 of two thousand four so later that year later that same year um and so he you know what boxing days yes and so he isn't it thanksgiving though. No it's the day after Christmas because the all the gifts you didn't want throw one. That's not what it's called. Oh speaking of that who was I just talking to about in January beginning of January 01:13:30 the gigantic line that exists at Costco of people returning their Christmas trees. Oh really people, old do people buy the fake Christmas tree from Costco because their return policy first of all Costco's return policy is that if you didn't use more than fifty percent of that product, you can return it wow, not the food stuff, but like we bought a big box of cat food. Our cats did not like the food, so like they only we only had taken six cans of this thirty cans and so we took the other twenty four cans back and they gave us a full refund. That's crazy. 01:13:59 and so we're like oh we're just going to do that over and over and over again. That is wild. So now I once a week I return a box of of cat food. We just feed our cats for free. 01:14:13 is that you should try that we don't do that part. I try that with baby food. That is true though. Like if it's if you have more than fifty percent of the product because they'll just combine it though. I don't know what they do with it. They just throw it away is what they do because it's easier for them. It's easier. It's they lose less in customer retention than they do and just throwing away what I'm well, you know, like so they sell rotisserie chickens at a lower cost. A loss leader is what it is and so it's at the back of the so on boxing day. Do they throw those Christmas trees away? 01:14:43 probably there's no way. I mean they're, I mean they're like six hundred dollars. If it's in decent shape, they probably just resell it, but they could also they could also sell it to like a consignment like you know, sell it at cost or I mean there's there's a I have gone the beginning of the year to go quit, quit grocery shopping or whatever and there's a long line of people with the cart and they all have Christmas trees. They're returning that's crazy wild. That's so nuts interesting. You know what I have never mind. We don't need that so 01:15:11 boxing date December twenty six yes, thousand four boxing day is the day after Christmas, the day before Costco return your tree day, the day before Jennifer's dead in the parking lot, and so he he wakes up in the morning. He goes the dentist gets some work done um and then he comes back to toys, arrest, wait for closing with the dentist. Yeah, he got some work done. Okay, a little teeth cleaning um and uh he goes in there and they uh 01:15:39 waits for closing time, same thing he normally does. And then he comes out and he does a lot robbery at the Toys R Us. And here's the interesting thing about Toys R Us, there's no freezer. And so he just sends everybody to the back of the store and that works out pretty well. They all go to back of the store. He gets all the money from the day and then he tells them, okay, you guys wait here. I'm going to pull the fire alarm. So the police come and I'm going to get out of here. You guys are good. Okay. Like everybody feel good. You guys feel good. I feel good. And so he tells them he leaves, he pulls the fire alarm and they think he ran. 01:16:08 He climbs through his cubby hole back into Circuit City and he's watching on the baby monitors. The police show up and they're like, yeah, he ran when he pulled the fire alarm. And so the police are like, oh, he's long gone. And so they're canvassing the city trying to find him. And he's sitting in Circuit City next door just watching the investigation. They never find him. And so he's like, hey, I think I just found the cheat code. And so he... 01:16:33 starts to plan his next hit and he's like I'm just going to hit toys are us guys like I'm just going to keep hitting toys are us because I can just walk out into my cubby. This is what I'm saying. Criminals are smart for a second and then they go. What if I was dumb? What if instead of this part I got dumb? If I just did that again and so but then he realizes oh shoot. I went to the dentist and now they have my dental records 01:17:02 and he's like I got to go get my dental records out of there, so he goes the dentist office climbs up on the roof cuts his old through the roof drops in and he no he doesn't yes he does he he hold the dentist hold the dentist to try to find his his dental records. No one was there. He goes there after hours. No one's are there because like I just need to find my records, so he's so he did do all of them. Then is what we're talking. He did all the other one 01:17:26 things. Oh for sure. Okay, okay, okay, okay, he's not a copy cat. This is for sure the same did it and so he's digging through all their filing cabinets trying to find his records and he can't find them and he's been there for a while, so he starts and he goes panic. He goes Zorn. I forgot I was looking for my name, my name, but I forgot the alias. I gave them 01:17:46 but he doesn't remember that while he's there, so he's he's panicking. He's like I've been here for too long. He's like I have to find this. I already cut the whole ceiling. I got to find it. I can't find it. can't figure it out, so he burns the dentist office down and he runs and so things are spiraling a little bit a little bit. Yeah, 01:18:09 so the police now an arson on their hands and and a whole they have like evidence that the hole was cut and so like before this happened, there was a whole gun the roof. They're like we know this guy escaped from prison uh just east of charlotte, north carolina, north of south carolina, south west north carolina. Okay, and so they've got reason to believe he's around here somewhere and so now they're kind of like on edge, like keeping their eye open for him right. 01:18:35 He waits a little while for kind of the heat to die down and he's like, okay, I need I need some money. I need I need to hit I need some money. It's that it toys arrest again. And so he crawls out of his cubby hole one night right before close and he does another hit on Toys R Us. ah But when he does this, he he's he tries to plan it to where he comes out like right when they're locking the doors is like his goal. Right. And so he sees them walking to go do that. And he comes out. 01:19:04 He pulls his gun and as he's doing that, they're going to lock the doors, but it's kind of that awkward time where it's like you're walking in, right? As they're closing the doors and like the employees, like they kind of have the choice to like, are they going to let you in or are going to say, no, sorry, we're closed. And, but this time they say, Oh, we're to let them in because the person coming in was a police officer. And so they're like, Oh, you can come on in, but we're going to lock the doors behind you. And as they let her in, he's pulling the gun. And so he's pulling the gun out. 01:19:30 to be like this is a stick up in the police officers there and he realizes that there's a police officer there, so he thinks quickly and he punches her in the face and steals her gun. It is like this is a stick up. It's like sorry. What's your name? I'm the roof. Hello, it's nice to meet you. Sorry I had to punch you. I really I feel bad about that for two reasons. One, I don't like assaulting law enforcement and I don't like punching women, so I know that was bad. I know that was bad on multiple fronts. Yeah, 01:20:00 My name is Tyler Cox. 01:20:05 So he ushers the ball to the back of the store. Same same game plan. He's like, he's like, we're still going to do it. We're going to do it as he takes me to the of the store, take the back of the store with that with that cop. We punch in the face. He's got her gun and takes him out of the back of the store. They all do the do the thing. He pulls the fire alarm and then he hurries back to his little cubby and climbs back into Circuit City and he's watching from his camera and he realizes as he's watching from the camera that the cops are getting too smart. Like they're like, yeah, he didn't. 01:20:34 But he didn't run when no one saw him leave the store. And so they like check the cameras like he never left. And so like he's in here somewhere. And so then they look around and they're there for hours. Eventually they find that cubby hole. They crawl through into Circuit City and he just like relents and he just comes out and he's like, I'm sorry, you got me. And they find him and they end up arresting him. Ironically, they pulled all of the DVDs and 01:21:00 what they and I don't know how true this is, but the articles say like the most used DVD or the one that was in the DVD player, the one that was in the DVD player oceans, eleven catch me if you can. Okay, I say so cliche just and so they end up charging him for the I probably wasn't true and then one of the cops was like yeah dude. had all these DVDs and the one that was in the DVD player catch me can and we caught him 01:21:29 I caught why you do that weird thing with your tongue. I don't put that in the article in the article. It's like and he was doing this weird thing. He said don't put that in the article. I like the whole thing for that. We're like I got him and so now he ended up getting numerous charges. The arson, the multiple robberies in and Charlotte and obviously you know breaking out of prison and so now he's he got another forty year sentence. 01:21:58 and so he's been serving that sentence at Central Prison in Raleigh, North Carolina. He has attempted to escape again in 2009 and 2017. Both of those were thwarted by the guards and so he didn't actually get out his current expected release date is December 4th, 2036. So mark your calendars and watch your ceilings that day because knows December one. 01:22:21 December fourth twenty thirty six. Wow, so it's coming up about a little over ten years. Not Santa on your roof. It's the roof. It's the roof man, but here's what's really exciting about this and why did this episode because tomorrow we are getting a Channing data movie based on oh wow and it on. Okay, I saw good. I saw a poster for this the other day. You know what I thought about when I saw this though. Wait tomorrow. What are you talking about? When is this episode come out? I mean 01:22:50 today. It's October nine. We're filming this the day before it releases. Oh, I was gonna say and so by the time this release, some of you might have seen this. It's been out for eighteen days. I saw the poster for this and what's crazy is that this comes out tomorrow and like I have not seen any advertising for this really that's. I mean that is true. You don't see advertising for movies that much anymore. Oh my gosh, what my wife keeps texting me. I've told her we're filming sorry 01:23:20 but yeah, she sent me seventeen texts. Oh my gosh well, the movie looks great. Jaren's got to text his wife, so we'll crash out of a I to respond to her real quick. uh So all right well fiddle off fiddle off. Thanks for listening to things. I learned last night. If you like that episode, you want another one. We do an episode about the barefoot band of the guy who would just break into people's homes. They're usually their second home right and then we just kind of live there for a little while and who went on a whole wild chase and led the police on this social media stuff and so it was a really interesting story. 01:23:49 We covered that. Please share this episode with somebody. Tell people you like the show. That's the easiest way to grow. This thing uh is a friend telling a friend. 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