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00:00 Hey, March seventeenth, happy birthday to my wife. Today is her birthday and and she's sixty two years old today. So good for her. I like the story line that your wife is for her. She looks great for it's her skin care routine. 00:20 Hey, I am in Omaha at the end of this month, and then I am in a Tyler Cox is in Omaha, so he'll probably show and then I'm in Saint Louis, Missouri and Springfield, Missouri next month in April, and I've always got a bunch of other shows. Just go to jaron Myers dot com slash shows. love to see you there, so that would help. It would be awesome. Hey man, have you ever heard of Clark Stanley Clark Stanley? Yeah, I've heard of his brother flat 00:48 What's doing? 00:54 I know you 00:57 Not Todd! Like I cannot over-emphasize enough, I'm not Todd. To be clear, I am not Todd. We need to be clear, I'm not Todd. Not Todd! Not Todd! 01:14 Things I learned last night. 01:23 Clark Stanley here. He is oh good. We're going back in time. No, this is bump. This is current. This is yeah yesterday for audio listener. It's a old western guy and he's got like you know what's the who's the character in Rudolph that has this facial hair? You know I'm talking about oh 01:42 you know what yeah yeah yeah that's yeah the clay. It's the mustache and the goatee combo no beard, but mustache go tea combo. What character is that in in Rudolph alone? I'm on IMB D ninety or an I am looking for a claymation character. What else is this claymation character and let's see he's in the fast and furious three. Did you know that 02:04 Well, here's the thing I thought I thought what was going to happen was it would show the cast and it would have the now it's going to show the picture of your idiot. It's going show the picture of the actor of your idiot. Okay, first of all, now that I'm looking at this, it is it is close. It is close. He's got the Colonel Sanders hair. Yeah, you know that's like a thing. It is close. I don't know. Well, I mean 02:29 now that I'm looking at it, it's not that close. Actually, okay, okay, okay, okay. Am I just thinking Colonel Sanders then maybe or yeah, I can't remember what this guy's name is. Hold on, let's take a look at him. Let's take a let's let's watch and listen. Okay, here we go. This is is this who you're talking about at all. Not at all. Am I talking about the lumberjack? I don't know what his O. His name is Shucks 03:00 into mountain range. um You're really bad at searching this stuff. Here's all the characters. Here's all the characters. Are kidding me right now? Okay, here we go. Here's all of them. It's it's Sam snow man to Sam the snowman dude. I'm not talking about you concord alias. Sam the snowman look at Sam. like go look up, say the snowman 03:22 You're right. You're right. It is and and then then then this or you guys can freak in. Everyone could just shut up because I'm not an idiot. All right, up Sam the snowman. Oh, you want me to get a picture of him? Yeah, you see him closer. Okay, here he is. That yeah, yeah, that's it. You're right. That's that guy. That is that's the same. You're right. 03:51 I was thinking you were talking about this guy and then that is your dumb. So you think I'm done a little sometimes your dumbness makes you think that I'm just as dumb. All right, and I'm dumb, but I'm not that dumb. You should know that by now. You should know I've done, but not that time. Hey, look at me. Hey, memory is important. 04:15 memory is all we have persist or pair persist or perish. It goes so hard. 04:25 okay, so Sam the snowman so he does have saying so officially and it's on point. So what's it Charles Stanley right Clark Stanley Clark Stanley okay Clark Stanley so Clark Stanley he's significant. He has nickname is the rattlesnake King. Sick. We also have merch for that the rattlesnake King. So he is here's his story in eighteen seventy nine. He spent eleven years working as a cowboy. 04:54 before this, so was up to working as a cowboy. Yeah, so he was a cowboy. He was born in Abilene, Texas, but he moved out to uh Walpe, Arizona, where he studied under uh medicine men at the Hopi tribe. Is it Hopi or Hopi Hopi? I think it's Hopi the Hopi tribe learning their medicinal techniques. Okay, and it should be noted that leading up to this this point in time, uh there was a large 05:23 immigrant population from China who was working on the railroad, helping build the railroads across the country. Okay. And they had brought over with them from China a classic Chinese remedy called snake oil. And this was an oil that they took from God. Okay. Okay. This was an oil that they took from Chinese water snakes and they would use it to relieve joint pain. And so they would run on their joints after a hard day's labor uh and work. 05:53 working on the railroad, obviously a physically intense job and they would share it with other railroad workers and it became pretty popular among railroad workers. They're like oh my gosh, you got to this snake oil stuff. It's it works. It really works. uh That's what their company was called was it works. It works and I do. I've done a corporate event for them before and I do feel like if your name has to be it works, it doesn't signal confidence. 06:23 You know. 06:27 that's like calling a rest. It's like calling a restaurant. It's good. It's good. You guys want one that is good. Is it? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I trust that I want call a restaurant past health inspection. They couldn't put it in the name. If it wasn't true, we pass the health inspection that doesn't signal. What do they serve there? Doesn't really matter. They pass health is right. It doesn't really matter. You can't complain yeah, so 06:57 Clark was working as a cowboy. He hears about the snake oil is being very successful. Yeah. And so he moves to Walpee, Arizona and he finds the Hopi tribe and he says, can you teach me about snake oils? And so they say, yeah, we use rattlesnake. And so we choose the rattlesnake and get the oil. You kill the rattlesnake and then you put it in a vat and you burn off the oil on it. It's like boil it and really use the oil out of the boil. 07:27 liquid. Yeah. And so, uh, yeah, it's not, you're not juicing it. The snake would probably bite you and rattlesnakes are killer. So you don't do that. Uh, is the official position of this podcast to not try to juice a rattlesnake. 07:46 so he studied under them for two years. Okay, they taught him everything they know about whaling snakes or yes, yeah sure, sure, don't just push through. Tell the story. Don't worry about you said it. It was dumb. Keep going. We've already established we're dumb and so then he learns everything he knows about and he starts making snake oil. uh He goes up to Boston and he learns under uh local Boston drug is a 08:12 what a drug is. I know know that sounds like a crazy term, but that's what's in the article that I read. They called him a drug is sure, which I don't know if it's a legitimate thing to call somebody, where he wasn't a pharmacist, I guess yeah, and he wasn't a drug dealer, some somewhere in between somewhere. Okay, yeah, it's like a less than legal pharmacist, but not a legal, so he's a drug. Yes, sure, and so he talked. He taught him all about marketing medicine because at the time 08:42 marketing medicine was a weird thing. This was pre we've talked about in our dental episode. Yes, exactly yeah. This was pre fda, so was that guy's name that kept teeth? uh Just search tooth necklace dentists and I'll guarantee you'll find it. I got to teach you how to google search stuff because you couldn't find any of the characters and right in Rudolph to the Nicholas dentist came up with a bunch of necklaces for sale uh and yikes. 09:11 this is like gold tooth necklace. Oh good yeah. This did not. This did not work the way I think you thought it was going to work um old time dentist history teeth. is a brief history of the most outrageous dectinus here is. Is it going to give us the name painless Parker painless Parker? Yeah, that's right painless Parker. There we go. It did take me a second, but I got on my first try 09:36 was your first time I searched what you told me to search yeah, and that's why the AI assistance aren't going to work because I just tried to do it through him bad and he's like. 09:52 a somewhat competent. You know that bad, he goes there and he learns the way I would love this podcast of the guy on the right would shut up. Make that guy the right shut up that skinny guy on the right, for this is hot, skinny, annoying, but hot, but hot. 10:21 parentheses, but so this is the era uh FDA doesn't exist yet course, so there's nothing like regulating the claims. There was a time when things were just you could do it. You know yeah, so he's a snake oil salesman. We're getting there yeah, we're getting there and this was also in a time where medicine was interesting because 10:45 doctors were working. They were primarily doing things like blood letting and so they were doing very painful procedures. They were doing shock therapy right and this is another thing too is like relative to human history. This is not that long ago. Yeah, yeah, this is not that long ago yeah and that's what I thought was crazy. I got a filling done. It is insane in saying that I can go to the dentist yeah and they can 11:14 drill into my teeth while I lay there and think about gosh. No one's buying tickets to my comedy special taping. It's coming up on March twenty second and I've really got to sell these tickets and it's got my gosh. This is so stressful to have to market this thing and I actually have forgotten to mention it in the last two times that I've done the tour dates at the beginning of the episode. I forgot to say hey, March, 22nd, I'm filming my county special, but like they can literally be drilling into my bones. Yeah, and I don't feel a thing that is 11:44 absurd that we live in this reality. Yeah, we also live in another re like at the same time some blonde mom from you talk and be on you on tick tock and be like actually the anise that they gave you at the dentist is actually really bad for you and you should be drinking raw milk and if you just give you chug a gallon of raw milk, drilling your teeth all day and it won't matter because you're dead. You're talking about because you're dead like it just it's so crazy that like eighteen seventy nine he's there. There's 12:14 there's no regulation or anything. They're doing incredibly painful procedures for every ailment yeah and and they were and here's the thing about medicine at that time. Like there was it was very early, like in terms of like actual discovery of the things that worked right, but there were procedures that they did that did actually work. They just didn't have anesthetic, so they were incredibly it you super drunk. Yeah, they bite down 12:41 I was actually think about that. I was talking to Reagan. I was looking at you know she got a couple paintings in the house of you know prints of paintings were not rich yeah, but you know as like all these old paintings. No one's ever showing their teeth yeah and I was like oh that's because they don't it's probably because everyone's teeth were either gone or bad yeah like Mona Lisa's not smiling because she don't have teeth yeah yeah she doesn't have teeth. 13:09 No, think about it for really true and if she did they were gross. That's what I'm saying about. At least has got bad tea. I bet all of their teeth were discussed yeah yeah because they didn't brush. They couldn't then brush and yeah. Have you felt teeth that haven't been brushed late and like if it was hurting they just pulled them out and they just ripped them out and they probably were rotting a lot. That's what I'm saying. I do an apple and then it just be gone. I don't know. Maybe am I wrong? Like what did they have dental practices? They did they like 13:37 it. Am I raw? I don't know. I don't know. I actually don't. When you look at the dentures that George Washington had, that's horrifying yeah yeah true. You know crazy and it's like dude. I don't know man. This seems like yeah the fact that you can just 13:54 Yeah, that's crazy that we're able and I just I want to scream into the void when people are like oh yeah, it's all big pharma and they're all again. It's like oh my gosh man. People don't die at five years old anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. People used to have twelve kids. Half of them died and they had to because they were all going to die. I'm dying numbers game. It was like sales. That's like the whole thing. I'm saying you got to shoot for twelve so can keep seven by the time they get older. 14:23 I mean yeah exactly one hundred percent and now we don't have to have twelve kids. I'd rather have two kids that I can really take care of. Yeah, yeah and now they're gonna. Oh my goodness anyway. 14:38 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of things. I learned last night. If you like this show, we would love to see in our Patreon. It's a great way to financially support the show. We don't make money from this. It just helps us to pay the people who do make money from this. Like Alex and Robert, her editor and maybe one day, one day me and Tim, maybe one day, know, but only if you join, only if you join, can't wait. We can't get paid until you pay. Can't feed Tim's kid until you join. He's so 15:08 of an angel. 15:19 So that was the thing is like at that time, medicine, technically there was some things, some things, there were some things that they were doing that were not helpful. But there were a lot of things that they were doing that were actually helpful, but they were incredibly painful. So most people would opt not to do those. And they would not visit actual doctors. But on the other hand, there was a lot of these uh different sorts of oils and drinks and medicines and tonics that people would sell that 15:49 technically they had some medicinal properties. Okay, the snake oil that the China, would rather soothe the pain than like the dull pain of a tooth. You don't want go to the excruciating pain of removing that kind of to yeah, and I think people didn't understand that that actually how that solved the problem. It was a better solution. Yes, true. I I think what people found is like the snake oil that the Chinese immigrants brought over the Chinese water snake 16:19 the oil that they got from it was high in Omega 3. And so you read that oil on it actually does help your joints feel better. And so it soothes that joint pain. But Rattlesnake wasn't high in Omega 3. But anyways, and so there was things like that that different tonics and elixirs and things that they were selling at that time. They had some kind of are you looking at looking to see if your Celsius has Omega 3? No Omega 3 in this. 16:46 why I was why my joints hurt Celsius. There should be Omega three in this. Oh, my joints hurt because the Celsius has no Omega three. Do those do those special K bars that you bought for our studio have Omega three in them? They might 17:11 old person snacks and so this. So these things were actually helping some people. Coca Cola started as like one of these elixirs. It wasn't a beverage that you drink. It was a medicine and so people drink it because my quill started the same way. Really? Yeah, it was a medicine 17:35 and now it's just something I enjoy with a cigarette at the of the night. Smoking is cool. uh There's a there's a I've just a whiskey glass of night. Well, I will say there's a there's a warning on the night. Well, I just bought because if he was in last episode, you know, I'm getting over sickness. There's a warning label on the back that says parents know your teen 18:00 and it talks about how your team's probably getting drunk on your night. Well, so your parents know your teen, your child might try to use this to see the hat man. 18:10 You saw him to some to right. 18:16 uh So he goes and he learns all about the way that these elixirs and tonics are being sold. And the way they're selling them is very clever, honestly, because this is a time where there was no radio, there was no TV, and a lot of people, especially in the American West, lived in towns where there was no theater. There was nothing to go do except for church. And so there was nothing interesting happening in your life. And that's why they thrive. 18:44 That's why this country did so much better than because now we got all these kids sports taking the kids away from church. It's because a flag football. It's because a flag football. I football has made our country so sinful, so they would go across the American West and they would essentially bring a little carnival with them, a little side show. Yeah, is same thing. Payless Parker did, and so he learned he's like he's like I can do this, and so he goes in eighteen ninety three 19:13 he goes to the Chicago World's Fair. They brought a guy who was going to play the local Pac Man machine and beat it and get the high score and everyone's like what is that? Oh my gosh, what game did what game did that Billy guy play? Was it Pac Man Billy Billy Bass? No, was it Billy the guy who cheated? Oh yeah, Billy. He was I think it was Pac Man 19:42 I think it was Billy McFarland. Is that his name sure doesn't make it ever as to mean I'm just trying to figure out which which which episodes we're trying to reference here so I can tell you to go watch him. It's probably going to be painless Parker. Oh yeah, painless Parker. No, they were putting together a tour. You'll play video, whatever, who's Billy McFarland is not that guy Billy McFarland is the the fire fest guy. Oh yeah, but you could also watch that episode anyways. 20:11 Did we ever do a far? No, I was like I'll let you say it. 20:18 We did a bowl island episode, a bowl island. Hey, what if we just spend thirty minutes? We just go through all of our episode. Do we ever do an episode? 20:29 so he's there traveling town to town. have a carnival with them right and that's the fun thing is that all you got to do is like get like a giraffe or something and then all of a sudden people are like yeah, I'll buy whatever you're selling. So he goes the eighteen ninety three Chicago World's Fair where the tartarian and his civilization ended. That's right and he when he was there he kind of struck gold because he figured out how he was going to do his sideshow and so this was the first place he ever did it. What he did is he brought a live rattlesnake with him 20:57 and he pulled it out of the vat and everyone's he's like, look what I have. And everyone's like, I saw rattlesnake look what's in my hands. All right, I'll snake no worse. I child and then he killed the rattlesnake and then he put him put it in a vat and he made snake oil right in front of them. And everyone was like, oh my gosh, I've never seen. So he's just at the world's fair. 21:26 get just a go right to your do your best hot dog hot dog voice for a ballpark. 21:39 Get your ass- 21:43 is that real? Is that where you're? That's what I'm doing. Yeah, you got you want to do another run or you're like I'm sticking. right, I feel good yet dog. Hey, yeah 21:55 Now, leave in the comments who you would spend $10 for a hot dog on. Left guy or right guy? Just say left guy, right guy, left guy, right guy. 22:06 left that guy or fat guy left. Is he what both at left guy hot left guy, but right guy hot hot. Don't put a question mark. Don't put a question mark, so he's he's making it at the thing is what saying yeah yeah right in front. I hope someone's got a counselor today. I don't care. I don't even care. Oh, I don't care speaking of counselors. Oh my person's over here. We're like 22:36 I didn't tell you. I just feel so overwhelmed with your dog. Who was a dog? No, speaking of counselors, I need to tell you what I did yesterday. We only know the counselors here. If the sound machine is on, I'm going to tell you right now that's not machines. Not going to much as no competition for me. I am rather than your that machine. No, I went to counseling yesterday and or maybe it was two days ago. You know, no, two days ago. 23:06 and get to counseling and they got this new thing. They got an iPad in the lobby, uh huh, checking on the iPad. You pick your counselor, you type your name in that's that's checking right sure, and so I'm sitting there and I don't know what it is in my brain, but I was like. I wondered if this actually says the name you type in or if it just says your twelve o'clock is here and so I was like I'm gonna test so you're dumb. So why would it say your twelve o'clock is here because it's I don't know what name did you put in? I put Todd 23:32 Just just a simple like that's so funny. No, it wasn't funny. I wasn't trying to be funny. I was trying to find out. to be funny. I'm just trying to find out. I'm just like I'm just like Todd just to see. And so then I sit down and my therapist usually gets out there pretty quick. Once I sign in a couple of minutes goes by, not there. Five minutes go by, not there. Ten minutes go by and I'm like, maybe I should go sign in as myself. And finally I hear the sound of her down the hall. She like knocks on another door and she peeks in and she's like, hey, can I ask you something? 24:01 And then she walks in and I like muffled voices like they're talking back there, but I can't tell what they're saying. And then she kind of trepidatiously comes around the corner and she's like, Oh, she's like, you know, was a, the wish this thing. She's like the machine it said someone checked in, but it didn't say Tim. It Todd. I was like, yeah, that was me. I was like, I was just testing it. And she's like, Oh, okay. We going back. So we go back. 24:28 and I sit down and the whole time you're like talking and she sit over here going 24:36 because in her head she's like, why did you do that? No, why do this? Wait, it gets worse. How does it get worse? It's I sit down, I'm getting settled. I always take my wallet, my keys out because they're uncomfortable to sit on the couch. I'm getting settled and she's like, you know, it's I was worried when I saw that and I was like, yeah, and she's like, well, the last couple of weeks, I kind of had a little bit of a Facebook soccer and his name is Todd. 25:03 And now there is no possible way I will ever get rid of that little thought in the back of her mind that's like, is Tim Todd? And that will never, I will never get that to go away. Yeah, I know you won't. 25:27 because I'm going to start several face and I'm going to start face more stocking like you're there a lot of people in your life. 25:41 and I'm going to link them all back to you uh and so now I'm just like I'm like there's never what you say to that you go. I was just joking. I'm really not Todd. I said she was like okay. I said yeah any. think I literally what I literally said was yeah. Any similarity to real persons or places is purely coincident. I'm going to make an account called Todd Stone and then I'm going to send her a message and to say is this your grandma's house? 26:10 You know what's even worse recently? It gets worse recently in a session I because I genuinely have thought about this before. I asked, said hey, do you guys have any literature on like the psychological psychological impact it has on people in therapy to have a one way relationship? Because that's what this is. This is a one way relationship that I pay for. I know nothing about you and you know everything about me and I'm like wolf. Now she's like oh Tim is 26:39 Tim is for sure and I'm not Todd like I cannot overemphasize enough. I'm not Todd, but the fact that you you put that in the intro. I guess I'm not Todd to be clear to be clear. I am not Todd. We need to be clear. I'm not Todd not Todd 27:11 I have already decided next time I'm checking in as Todd from Facebook Todd from Todd from face from it cuts it off to just says it just says Todd fro, uh but his last name is like from in or something like that golly dude. Okay, well that's crazy. So I'm sorry that your your counselor is like yeah. I think I mean if that fails you can go to the one next door 27:40 next time I show ain't no enough about us. We can start with you know and I don't know anything out outside of these four walls and that includes the other side of this one, but it seems like the way that your friend talks to you. You describe him as your best friend, but that doesn't seem very best of him to do 28:08 and maybe before you say anything, we should set some boundaries for what this relationship is going to look like yeah. Please stop liking all my photos on Facebook. 28:21 I know your time. I know your time. 28:30 the attorneys to just be you say to my know you're and then you just go I'm not Todd, not Todd. All right, so stupid. This show sucks. This show is terrible because of the guy on the right, the right, but but but so 28:57 so he does. does the site. What is wrong with you? Do that's crazy, so he's set up. He's doing the stuff he does. He's snake oil, sick oil, yeah and then and then he is he selling a lot at the World Fair. Yeah, he's starting to sell a lot and long story short, this takes off the World's Fair word such a spread. He starts selling him in vials. Yeah, they're there. Well, I actually I do have a picture of them 29:25 which this is what he's selling okay, okay, okay, okay, the the logo on this genuinely yeah, I cool on this. This is this goes like I would have that as a as a poster. Yeah, this is really cool okay, and so he sells this stuff. It's supposed to cure, so it's four frostbites chill blains bruises sore throat, bites of animals, insects and reptiles 29:52 It also says that the one true life is found in the light above Dr Bronner. We had an episode about it ah good for man and beast. It says 30:07 so interesting yeah, so it's basically anything it's good for anything yeah. It's basically what they advertise it for artwork on it is really cool comes in this little box uh and he travels all around the country, selling it and that's a modern picture, which means that's just somebody's unopened yeah, a collector wow. 30:32 Oh boy. Am I sick? I sure do need Tim stones. Get well quick trick. And what is it? It's simply chug an entire gallon of orange juice. Wow. I forgot. And then this shirt reminded me, I'm so glad that I have this shirt as a public service announcement, a public health service to other people around me. Do your part. Get this shirt. 31:01 shop.tillam.com 31:08 and he it gets super popular, popular enough where he builds a warehouse in Chicago where he is manufacturing these oh wow and he ends up building a second warehouse because he was so successful. You got to like raise rattlesnakes then right. I mean yeah, if you were using rattlesnakes because he wasn't so there was no snake oil in his snake oil. It was actually just mineral oil uh 31:38 beef fat, uh chili peppers and turpentine was the ingredients in his snake oil. he sold that and said it was snake oil, but it wasn't. later they found out that he put the pepper, the pepper in it because it would make your skin burn a little bit. So you would think, oh, it's doing something, which is clever. Same thing toothpaste people did. Yeah. And so. 32:06 He got so big and so popular selling this stuff that uh there started being uh Clark Stanley knockoffs. OK. And so there started being fakes of his fake out there selling snake oil. Sure. And this became a really big thing. He was doing it all throughout the early nineteen hundreds. He's that started in 1893 at the World's Fair, which sidebar, I'm reading War of the Worlds right now and. 32:34 I didn't think about this before 18, so 1893 is the same time that book was written, okay, which is an alien book and you've seen the movie, I'm assuming, right? And like the early two thousands, the war, the world's movie, you see that really yeah, but I know the world, the world's broadcast. Yeah, we did, which we didn't have so you don't watch the movie no with the 32:58 if you see the movie, you know exactly what I mean by that. I don't I have. Do you know anything about it about the movie yeah or I mean the world? I mean I taught the episode on world of worlds. Did you really? I thought I thought the episode one of the world that's cute. So yes, I do know the story. What do you to what point are you trying to make? Well, it's interesting to me because I always thought it was interesting 33:27 the depiction of the what's interesting to me. I've always thought it was interesting, because the interesting thing about this interesting thing is that I find it interesting. I just tried to hit a word and always have, so the aliens they are on these little try. Oh this looks like a wah. They're on this one. They're on these little tripods, a giant tripods that they walk around and that's they're like 33:55 ship. They're in there piloting this thing and they're killing everybody. Okay, and I've always thought it was interesting because that's such a weird depiction that you don't see anywhere else. Like they're always in like flying saucers or like spaceships. But War of the Worlds came out in nineteen ninety three before the Wright brothers, and so he didn't realize they could fly. And so I've been listening to it and the story is interesting because in the story what they see from Mars is they see like just this explosion come out of Mars and then 34:24 these like essentially asteroids right earth hit earth and then those are in them. Those legs pop out yeah and I'm like oh this guy didn't have a category for flying machine because that didn't exist yet because he wrote this in eighteen ninety three. That is interesting which is just so fascinating to me but he came up with heat rays. They weren't lasers in the movies. They were lasers but in his mind they were heat raisins. They just like burns you which is very interesting that he up with that. I don't know very very fascinating to think about yeah 34:53 But so that guy was writing that at the same time that this guy was going around selling snake oil. OK. And he goes through the early 1900s selling this becomes incredibly successful. Multiple factories, world renowned snake oil salesman. And in 1906, uh the Pure Food and Drug Act was passed. And basically, this is the precursor to the FDA. Right. 35:22 What was interesting is basically that made it to where you had to substantiate all the claims that you made about the things that you were selling. 35:32 This is on the can. It says, uh, 35:38 Is this still on here? they, have they removed this part? Cause they, used to have to have on the can that these claims have not been evaluated by the FDA. 35:49 doesn't look at on here anymore. Get them evaluated. They might have got them evaluated. They might have now. It used to say on here these claims have not been evaluated by the FTA interesting. uh I remember I've seen that on there. I've seen that on those. Yeah, but it's not on here anymore. Maybe they maybe they got evaluated or maybe they changed the verbiage on here to make them passable. That's also possible yeah, but the FTA so this here, food and drug act 36:16 looked like it was going to stop all these snake oil salesmen. But what ended up happening in practice is this was really in response to the conditions at the Chicago meatpacking facilities. And so they cracked down on those facilities, but the snake oil salesmen were still able to run. And a lot of these elixirs and things like tonics still were able to operate for years after the Pure Food and Drug Act. wasn't until the FDA finally was actually established in 1917. 36:45 that they then had the man power to go come after all these people yeah and after this uh stanley clark stanley was actually found guilty for uh fraudulent what what i don't think this is the actual charge of fraudulent marketing marketing fraud fraudulent fraudulent marketing of the snake oil claiming that this was snake oil and did all these things that it didn't right the so he was fine he didn't face any jail time he was fine 37:15 get this $20 which adjusted for inflation is $490. 37:23 and okay, so he was fine. He's like okay yeah, it's like all right, whatever and then uh so I don't. I do think after that snake oil got such bad press press that it wasn't possible to sell it and it became like the thing for scam like so yeah, I all salesman and so I don't think his business was ever successful like it was before, but he had almost thirty years of gangbusters, who cares and then a four hundred and ninety dollar fine. So he kind of got to write off into the sunset with it 37:52 Yeah, and now it seems like the stuff is still still. They all do, and that's why I'm kind like we should just be grifters. Well, here's what's really interesting about this. I, as I always do, look at a bunch of sources for this, and then lately I've been using notebook L M to give me notes from it. Sure. And I listened to the podcast and notebook L M took an interesting direction with this because it didn't just be like, here's the story. I said, here's the story, and here's why this is exactly what the supplement industry is doing today. Yeah, 38:21 And they freaking hammered the AI hammered the supplement industry because honestly, it's pretty similar. Like they juxtaposed how people were so afraid of actual medicine in that area because it was painful. And so then they did these natural tonics and things like that. And they were marketed as natural remedies. They were things that the natives did that foreign uh medicine men and shamans did. 38:49 and they were all market. They were green. They talked about the the that's what I don't understand about like the maha stuff when they're just like yeah. These remedies have been around for and it's just like guys. Just look at life expectancy. What are you talking about? Yeah. Why does it being around for so long make it better? What are you talking about and and it's the same thing and so and what these what the supplement industry does that is so sneaky is because 39:18 they claim to be dietary supplements right. They don't have to go through the same regulation to that's what I was trying to find the claim on Celsius. I wonder if they've changed. I wonder I do wonder if they've grown to the size yeah where they but they also got sold the Pepsi didn't they I'm sure Celsius got bought of my and then they were like this is not a supplement anymore. This yeah, this is a drink. This is a energy drink yeah and so I wonder if that affects whatever that is but uh 39:47 I know that like first form drinks for sure have that label still on them yeah and and this what I was saying too is like go to a supplement store like the I like the people at S to yeah, it's a superstore in Kansas City uh because I like that they gave me a diet plan and they're they're knowledgeable about what they're talking about yeah at the same time and most of them aren't gonna yeah aren't gonna be sneaky with you, but like you know obviously I drink a lot of protein powders project, protein shakes that kind of stuff there obviously 40:17 obvious. Obviously, I drink a lot of you can visibly see that I drink protein shake as evident by my by this hot. No, but I'm say bye bye my 40:42 I would be honest. The fact that you did that, that's a protein powder brain thing to do podcast. This guy got protein, a brain, a podcast bro. I'm an army guy, um so no, but what I mean is that there's definitely plenty of those like these fat burners and stuff that it's just like that's not a thing. Well, that's I think that's thing about a lot of these things is they do something, but they don't right to 41:07 most of what they call fat burners are high caffeine, which is a hunger suppressant yeah and so like they do something or it's like and they do just enough of that thing for them to placebo on top of that thing yeah, where like it makes you think that it's like oh this is having a this is working yeah and and same thing with like people like oh cardio lifting weights help you lose weight. No, that's a placebo. The only thing that helps you lose weight is a crippling self hatred. 41:36 the only thing that helps you lose weight or glp wants. Oh, I wish I had a self discipline to go to the gym. Oh, I hate working out. I do too. I also hate working out. I just hate myself more. You got that's you got to get to that level and people people people like that's not a good motivation. 41:56 you go into the gym out of like being fat phobic or being self hatred. That's not good motivation. Why am I waiting till I have pure motives to do something? All right, I'll tell you what motivates me looking bad feeling bad motivates me like now that's not the right motivation. That's not healthy. I agree, I agree and Tim's counselor agrees to when I go in there. I always do a follow up meeting 42:21 So hey, did he bring up that she always says to me she goes she goes is he Todd and I go no, I don't think so. Don't think he's but don't talk about that. Do you think that I look hot? I'm not curious about what you're concerned about. I don't care what you think at all. If you think I'm odd, you know, I have crippling anxiety about it. he has to go back. I nightmares about gaining all my weight back. Yeah, nothing. I'm healthy. None of that's healthy, but you know what it does? It gets me to go 42:49 quit wait, quit waiting till you have the right motivation. You have some motivation, at least start as what I'm saying. I don't know. I know that's not val. I know that's not good advice. I'm aware, but it is advice, but it you know hey, the statements I just made have not been evaluated by the FDA. 43:11 tell you that. 43:14 So anyways, that is that Stanley, that's Clark Stanley. He's the the not the first Nicola salesman, but the biggest by far and the one who gave snake. I did a whole warehouse is crazy. He had multiple number of people who have to be in on. This is just beef tallow and yeah oh yeah and they all knew and well what is crazy. I don't know if they all knew because he said he had a secret formula and so like yeah stuff and like everyone's like. Oh, they were putting the secret stuff in, but I do know 43:43 when he traveled, he did that thing and he was an early adopter. I don't know if he was the first, but he's an early adopter of like having plants in the crowd and so yeah, my leg hurts and then my leg is short. Let me pray for it and extend eh wow wowsers. 44:06 that's why you go. Do you remember kid picks? That sounds crazy. If you don't remember that, that sounds crazy. Yeah, that does. You don't remember it. It was a nineties. It was it was Microsoft paint for kids. Okay, okay, yes, I know we're talking about yes and everything you did had a sound effect and one of them was and I can't remember what did the well that's crazy. The things did well with our time 44:33 So is that the end of the episode? Fiddle off and hey, do go listen to the painless Parker episode is a great episode about a dentist who who did kind of the same kind of stuff was just and it was during an era where marketing your dental practices was weird and he became very good at marketing. So go check it out. Wow, that's crazy. next week's episode is available on Patreon right now, so go check that out next. Now I go, you know, 45:02 next week is a doozy. No, it's not it's fine. You don't know what we're talking about. All right fiddle off.