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00:00 So seven people in Russia go on a hike and only one of them returns alive. Yeah, which is crazy because they were led by a very experienced hiker. She actually had the title of Master of Sports in hiking and so she should have known how to prevent a disaster like this one, and so there's a lot of theories on what happened to the other six that perished on the hiking trail, but we don't know to this day, thirty years later, what happened and the sole survivor has only talked about it once thirty years later. Yeah, yeah, even her husband didn't know about it. 00:27 That's crazy. Why this is things I learned last night. This is a comedy podcast where we learn a lot each week, but we also laugh a lot along the way. I think you'll enjoy it. This week's episode is no different. It's great. This was this was recommended by one of our members. Yes, his name is Keith why in the discord? I'm going to call him Keith for this case. He thanks for the recommendation. Yeah, so if you want to, if you want to recommend episodes to us, please join us. You can go to till and dot com slash support to figure out how to do that. 00:55 And then also you get next week's episode right now. So thanks for watching the show. We hope you like this episode 01:03 Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Isaac Hershkoff? Oh, I live to see another day. I'm just kidding. We're not covered that. Have you ever heard of the 01:31 Hahahaha 01:35 roll the intro. I know we don't do it anymore. I know we haven't put the drum is again forever. Just roll it. Why not? 02:07 Things I learned last night. 02:16 Happy New Year, Buddy. What did you actually say? Kamar, David, Kamar, David, Kamar, David Daba and Daba, David, Bon, Dabin, Gali, you're so in the bond. Happy New Year. I thought you'd leave these shenanigans in the past twenty twenty five. It's the year lies baby. Go ahead. I was so rude, 02:44 Oh, I got you good there. Yeah, come our David, come our Daban, come our camera, the bond, the Abban. I have no idea how to pronounce it and honestly this is going to be the rest of the episode. This involves a group of characters. I think it's seven characters. Yeah, seven characters. You ready to hear their name? I know what happens here. What so come our yeah? 03:06 Okay, he stumbles into the woods and he meets a witch and she says you're so pretty come on. I love you so much. You're so beautiful. You're the ferris in all the land right and he goes back to his little hut and he meets seven dwarfs and they are like hi ho hi ho hi ho and I 03:23 I don't remember the rest of the story to be honest, so I'm glad you're telling me yeah, I'm glad I've that's I'm just setting it up and you say what happened next. You talk now you go, so it's yeah. I had to do that to my home school fans when they come to shows me well, I'll be at all do a show and that these kids are come up and they'll be like I've been following since the chick play rap and I'm like that's really cool and they're like yeah. I'm homeschooled. I'm like oh cool. Thanks for coming to the show. 03:51 I go, it's your turn. Yeah, you say something. 03:59 Speaking of of schoolers, we found out a really cool secret talent of one of our team members on a patron hang out this week or to oh yeah, yeah, how day one of our an orty manager yeah Daniels, our community manager yeah. We call him Dan Lee man he 04:17 okay as an ability to like when you show all himself a super recognizer, that's right, the talent super recognizer you can he said it like we all would know what it is. He can you can show him any picture of someone in like prosthetics and makeup and all this stuff and he could tell you which actually that is and he's actually really weird. I got at it really. We showed him a bunch of pictures and he would have me like I'm not immediately but pretty pretty quickly be like oh that's this guy and he was get it right ninety percent of time pretty wild so yeah, but that's a super recognizer. So if you're a super recognizer 04:46 let's know in the comments. Anyways, here's your super recognizer and you didn't know this whole time that I've been frankie muniz. He's just been wearing prosthetics. We gear him up every time it comes in. Yeah, that's also why he got ripped. So the here's our here's our seven cast of characters. Let's see how this goes. It is sleepy, dopey, angry. So the main one is a woman by the name of the uta, Mila Corvina. 05:16 okay. This is her. Where does this story take place? Oh Russia Russia, yeah, yeah, you nailed that this takes place in Russia. She's got the forehead yeah leo de mila leuda mila. I don't care to make fun of the Russians. I'll make fun of the Russians all day. You got dumb foreheads right. What nuke me? I'm trying to provoke Putin in the nuclear war by making fun of his forehead. Your name is not funny for heads. What you do, but I shouldn't say that we had a whole episode about Putin and then he 05:45 and then he attacked Ukraine, and so we had to pull the episode. We couldn't pull that episode. We couldn't put the episode out to the world, but if you want to hear it, if you want to hear it's available to our members and it also goes out on the nothing bun cake. Yeah, you can set up for that at tillin dot com, so so is she yeah the Russian name, so she is so Corvina. She is a 06:11 a hiker and a hiking instructor, okay, and she actually has a title that the Soviet Union would a warm people award people called the Master of Sports, so she is an honorary master of sports, which I don't know what you have to do to get that. I do she's a master of sports and hiking. What do you what do you was that for a hiking? You got to do the Berkeley Marathons, but this is Russia. 06:39 and so they ship them. They shipped them off to the US in Russia. The Berkeley Marathon does you okay, and so she she was a hiking instructor. She would take groups on tourism. We're talking so this is this specific story is nineteen ninety three. Okay, oh okay, you showed me a black and white picture, so I was I was thinking earlier yeah, but you know like year books you take black and white pictures right sure, and so this is a group that she took hiking with her. She's the second in the second one from left 07:09 I don't think she is in this picture. I think she took our left looks like it looks like one of those kids who's twenty three, but plays a fourteen year old my busy channel. No, I'll show you the next picture that we have of them. It was these two pictures. Look at they look at that's the that's the witch in snow white up front. You see her hunched up like 07:30 Yeah, so this is this is the crew that she took okay on this day. This is a august. They did they depart on august second nineteen ninety three. Okay, here's another picture of the group and in this one, one of them is just like yoked freaking ripped yeah, which they look that's her though, isn't it? No, that's that's. These are all the people. Maybe it is her yeah. That is her because it's because she group she brought a group of six, so there's the six 07:59 that's her yeah. She looks like a master hiker right there and so so this group is is leota mille corvina. She's the master hiker okay and then tatiana she's got a panko for those listening like you like like like the kind of abs that the shadow cast is upon you know saying yeah yeah that's crazy. Most people have to air flexing right there. Do you think that's 08:22 that's what I'm saying. That doesn't happen just as still she's flexing for this picture. That is true. Yeah, you you're not. You don't naturally have abs like that and then Alexander, christen, Dennis, shevak, kin, Valentina, Udo, tenko, Victoria, Sela, sova, Timur, bup and off okay, nailed them, nailed them, feel pretty good about that. I'm not going to lie, Duolingo turn to learn Russian. Yeah, I have 08:50 what have you been learning just in case that's where I'm learning Chinese will be prepared. Yeah, you and me yeah, we'll have to link up depending on one of us will take honestly depending on what he was like. We're going to team up together. I don't have for a fair. Neither people are jar so 09:17 on on August second, nineteen ninety three or vena, our master, our master of sports corvina. She she regularly did these hiking trips. She would get a bunch of her tourists together. They would go on hiking trips. She'd take them on these. Why don't we have color photos of them? This is nineteen eighty three yeah, but is nineteen ninety three in soviet russia. Oh, that's actually fair. That's true. That's true. It's true. Okay, the very end of soviet russia 09:43 so they they were still doing white people activities like hiking, you know, so they went hiking in this area called the Kmar Dabin Mountain Rage, which if we look in Russia, it's this part of Russia next to a lake called Lake, the call the Kyle map from the back of my Bible. Yeah, yeah, it is yeah, and so here's a kind of a Google Maps view. So you see that lake there, 10:13 and then this mountain range there is where this is actually where they're hiking, and so there's a camp near the lake. They're going to hike into the mountain range up to the top of the mountains and back to the lake is there is the hike that they're going on. Yeah, and Corvina very experienced. This trip was going to be a group. There's going to be a group of three in the area. She was going to be leading one of them, her daughter, actually by the name of Natalia Barnett, 10:42 no just by the name of Natalia is leading another one of the and then another group that that is just led by some other hiker, not a master of sports by any yeah or related to a master of sports, and there was multiple moments along this hike where, like obviously they're in separate groups, but they had planned their routes so they would continually intersect with each other and have these meet ups and then they would keep going and then they'd eventually they'd like check in with each other. Yeah, eventually they'd converge together, so yeah there was natural moments to be like okay the other groups not dead. We can keep going 11:12 and then maybe they okay trade pictures or something like look at the rocks I found here and so the the trip departs on the second of August, 1993. They leave from the village of Marino and they hike along the river and day one goes by relatively normal day to goes by relatively normal day. These and I should say this is a long hike. This is like a multi day, maybe even a week long hike. 11:41 and through this they are they're eating a lot, and so they okay. They were eating four meals a day and the reports that I've seen said that they were consuming around twenty four hundred calories a day, which yeah that that's the face I made to because they made a big deal about them eating a lot, but okay, that doesn't seem like a lot they, but also I don't know. I don't know how it's relevant yet. 12:10 that's yeah. You're like yeah. I made the same face because I was like that doesn't seem like a lot and I'm like why do we know how many calories they were eating a day? They come back super fat. 12:22 they just came back like a straight. Her abs were gone and they were like you had you. You had you made a big deal of it when you left the whole time. You were flex and you were like okay guys, right? You're not a so straight. You were like all right. She's got abs. We get it and you come back and you look tear not to be me like that. I'm trying to body shame you, but like you don't look good. You're pretty fat right now. 12:47 like you had to gain like fifty pounds on that bow. Try to be mean, try to be made. How many how did you make? How many calories did you eat today? How did you get fifty pounds on a high? How did you do that? What happened on that mountain? Science needs to know they're like we've been gone for six years, and we had a lot of that was the only donuts. That was the only thing we can eat there. They went away. I got stuck in a time loop 13:13 I think I would just eat a lot of food every day, you know, because I think about that movie groundhog day, no, Palms Springs on who know same concept yeah, but they're at a wedding yeah, so like I would go so hard on cake, because yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's true. They're gonna feel the next day. I mean every day you still can like you're still you can still try to get through it, but it's like in the process, like why not just eat a lot as I'm saying yeah, that's a good one. I just because it doesn't matter. That's a good point. Yeah, you know yeah, that's how drug addicts start, huh? 13:44 I think that sometimes sometimes I have thoughts that I go. Oh, I think I've got like a I've got an unhealthy relationship with food that's something to bring up to my counselor. I'm going to bring that up to your counselor. This week, I have a point with my counselor and I have a point with your counselor just to cross check notes. You know yeah I go hey so Tim said this this week. He says over that and they go the whole thing they go. I can't tell you and I go 14:12 I just read them. I read them. I go, I'm pretty sure I asked yes or no questions and I go your body. That sounds like a yes. That deflection sounds like a yes deflection. Yeah. 14:31 I've got your dogs at the appointment. I remember that call back yeah. I remember that one good good. It's a treat good. 14:47 do you imagine if you actually why'd you let it die like that? Why is just I just I just was thinking about us. I was like. Did you imagine you 15:06 Happy New Year, Folks, another year of the show being garbage. Another year of this. Let's run it one more year of this just one. 15:19 In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like a sign up for grammarly and use code till and and we got like fifteen cents and now we just do patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators. It's better for you as listeners and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on zoom. We just hang out and play games online and and get to know each other. It's a really fun time, so 15:46 but still use our code till in at grammerly dot com because I think it's still I think we might get like a couple cents from that, but join us on patreon because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. 16:03 Okay, so so they are eating twenty four hundred calories a day, twenty four hundred calories a day, which does not seem like enough because they're going up a mountain. Well, hold on in Soviet Russia, twenty four hundred calories a day. I mean, I don't know what they were getting before. I guess yeah, it's all relative, but still like if you're going up a mountain, yeah, you're burning. Yeah, I don't feel like this is enough calories for what they're doing. 16:31 it personally, but every article I've read acts like this is a lot. Every article I've read acts like they're eating a lot. They were eating twenty four hundred calories. Yeah, I mean to be fair, eating twenty four hundred calories while you're walking kind of a lot. Maybe I mean yeah, I don't know. It just it does not seem enough to me anyways and also I guess how many calories are you eating a day? Have you done the math? I I'm not tracking calories right now, but like when I was track when I was tracking what I said we can tell 17:00 when I was tracking, I would try to you would have them out to I would try to say under two thousand a day. You went up to him out and I was trying to say under two thousand a day when I started doing that. That was really hard to stay under, but now I'm like I bet I'm probably honestly I'm probably coming close to twenty four hundred a day right now. I think I'm what I would that six right now. Yeah, I'm not counting right now, but that if I had to guess, I'd say probably in that ballpark anyways, so they go on this walk. 17:30 a hike. If you will, the heck along the river, they go, start making it to the mountains and they're crossing the cross paths or they were meant to cross paths with the other group with her daughter's group on August fifth, but they did not show and so this obviously sparked some alarm and then three days later Valentina 18:00 Udechenko is spotted near the river, so she's back. She spotted. I don't know if we can see that river. You can cut up to the hill. Yeah, yeah, no, not that river. Oh, she would be like. So if you look at Bay Kysick or something like that or go south, yeah, there's a river that runs along there. Okay, so she was that trail is so she was spotted by that river, okay, and which is way away from where she was supposed to be 18:29 there was a group of kayakers that were kayaking and they saw her on the shore line and she was yelling for help. So I pulled over and she told him a story. This is the story that she told them and so she said that on August fourth they were making really good time up. 18:48 rich retranslator peak nailed it. That's the town and cars. What is the down at guards rate? Translator Translator peak, we're chance later peak. They were make a really, really good time and they were beginning their descent, but they got hit with an unexpected rain storm. So when this rain storm hit Corvina said that it would be best for them to make camp 19:17 and wait until morning to continue their descent. So that way they don't get hypothermia. But what is peculiar is she said that the location they were where they decided to make camp was in a clearing. They weren't they didn't go anywhere where it was. They had cover like the forest was ten miles down the path. They could have continued and got into the forest where they could have had a little bit of cover against the rainfall, but it said they camped in a clearing. So the camp in the clearing. 19:46 right that wait until morning and they woke up. They ate breakfast together and they continued along the path and so now the storms wake up. They ate about six hundred forty six hundred fifty calories together, yeah something like that and then they continued along the path and then they were roughly at an altitude of twenty three hundred meters to seven thousand feet, give or take and 20:12 christen, which i'm going to use his first name alexander christen, was at the back of the group and all of a sudden he started screaming and so everyone of course turns around and they're like what are you yelling about? And they turn around, they found that he was bleeding from his eyes and his ears and he was frothing at the mouth and so he fell to the ground convulsing and then went still and so corvino 20:40 our master sports person. She important back story. She saw alexander as like a son. Like they were really close. Their families were really close, like how old is she at this point? She's forty one okay, and so she rushes to his side and she starts like trying to do CPR, trying to save him, you know, and then all of a sudden she starts screaming as well. 21:09 and then she started also bleeding from her eyes and her ears and then she fell over, convulsing and she passed out and yeah, died and so a moment later the group starts to kind of go into almost like a panic because another important thing that I haven't mentioned yet. These are all like fifteen, sixteen year olds. They're their kids. Oh yeah, I didn't mention that 21:33 but yeah, so she's the only adult in the grip. This is a youth group outing. Now your adult has died. Yeah, now your adults dead over one of the other kids that's dead in a very graphic way. Yeah and so everyone starts freaking out and then Philip Panko who was Tatiana Tatiana, Philip Panko. I'm having to like cross reference their names. She all of a sudden collapsed, grabbing under throat, saying she couldn't breathe. 22:03 and she falls over and then another one of them against the rock until she went limp. grasping at their throats, clawing at their own throats, and throwing up blood, tearing out their clothes, 22:33 uta chanko. She ended up running and ran down the mountain where she set up a tent for the night and camped under a tree for cover, and so she's on her own now. She pretty much left everyone out on the side of that clearing after they all freaked out so that they all died anyway. Well, yeah, the next day she returns back to the site of where this thing happened and then all their bodies are there. No, they're also there 23:00 And for four days she followed power lines down the mountains and followed these power lines down the mountains, hoping someone would find her. And it was when she found the river on August 9th, where she found a group of Ukrainian kayakers and they rescued her. And so she tells them what happened and they're like, oh my God, like come with us. They're like, you killed all these people. They're like, come with us, we're going to save you. And so they take her back to camp and 23:30 When she gets back to camp though, her demeanors different and I don't know demeanor is the right word. She gets back to camp and then people at camp are asking her what's happened and she won't talk to anyone. The kayakers are telling them everything that she told them. And so the kayakers are like, yeah, here's what she told us. And she's like, she's pretty shaken up. She doesn't want to talk about it. And so they can't get a story out of her. And so because no one in the investigators can't get stories out of her, it actually takes them 23:59 a couple weeks to get a group out to go like a go where the bodies are yeah a search a search party. So on twenty fourth of August is when they finally go out, so she was found on the ninth yeah and it wasn't till fifty weeks later, fifteen days later, yeah that they finally go out and search for the body and it took two full days of them searching before they actually found the bodies of everyone and they did discover the bodies. They did manage to track them down and where when they found them 24:26 They found them using helicopters like helicopters and they found that all of them were partially undressed. All of them had bruised lungs is what they said that they found, they had bruised lungs. Many of them had like scrapes and cuts all over their necks. So as she described. Yeah, scrapes and cuts. And many of them, not all of them, but many of them had their eyes like eaten out. And so they think like predators got to them later, but it's strange that they only ate their eyes. So took the bodies, sent them for autopsies. 24:56 they got the autopsies and what was determined was that they all died of hypothermia except for corvina. She died of a heart attack and the okay. The official report said that it was due to a protein deficiency due to malnutrition. That was the leading factor in them getting hypothermia and so the official story of thermia. Yes, hypothermia is what kill them yeah, but is that will happen to you 25:26 If you have a protein deficiency, you get hypothermia. Yeah. So that's strange. Uh, so the official story that is put out is that they had not been getting enough food for this trip. Um, and so they became protein deficient. And then when they were on their way back down the mountain, they got caught in that rain and they all got wet and cold. They slept in the open where they got more wet and cold. They woke up the next day and they continued hiking and 25:56 in their protein deficiency, not realizing how bad they off they really were and then they got hit with hypothermia and it it's described as like a sudden onset hypothermia, but really they just weren't aware of the effects until it became very serious right and similar to we talked about this in the dial of pass episode where there's that 26:20 paradoxical undressing where all of a sudden they started feeling the effects and they started freaking out and thinking they were hot and trying to get their clothes off and that's when things started going awry for them. The blood from the eyes and ears and the frothing of the mouth is a little strange. The compulsive in that scenario, I guess I could kind of see if you're really freaking out 26:44 the girl banging her head against the rock though. Yeah, that's a little crazy and what that yeah, that's pretty hypothermic. You're right and then corvina. What they say is that that was kind of like a broken heart situation. Like she was scared and freaking out and panic right and led to the heart attack. And so obviously a lot of people are like yeah, that's bogus. That story doesn't make sense like you like you're saying and so there's a lot of theories about what actually happened here. 27:11 okay, so I do have a map now that we know that they're dead. I didn't want to show you this map until they died because it says six acres okay, so yeah. So they started along the lake went on the hike. They took that campsite shortly away from that. They all die and then they were supposed to meet with the other group over there. Right. They did not make that meeting instead Valentina. She went down the mountain and was discovered at the river is where this all happened. So the theories of what happened 27:41 the most likely theory aliens. Obviously Aliens have been proposed that I don't know they showed up and they did it. I guess that's a real you're really going for it. That is a real theory. That is a real theory that they only showed up and they did it and like I don't yeah. I don't know the idea there. Another one is the almost have you heard of that the one the almost no. Let me see if I can actually get a picture of all this. This is an interesting. This is going to scare me 28:11 I don't think so all right, so this is the almost as big foot. It's Russian big foot, okay, which that reminds me. Have you heard of what the more mists think big foot is you want? Have you heard of what the Mormons think big foot is? Do you know the Mormons 28:35 have an explanation for Bigfoot. Do you know what their I know the Mormons think Satan and Jesus are siblings right? Other brothers brothers, their homies, but like not the good kind of brothers. They're like brothers who had a falling out and our bros yeah yeah and that's why that's why they're competing for everyone. When you say Mormons, you mean like like a Mormon, I don't. Yes, yeah yeah. They think Bigfoot is who they think Bigfoot. They think Bigfoot is Cain like Cain and Abel Cain 29:05 and that was because he did the murder. He doesn't get to die. He's stuck or roaming the earth roaming the hills of Pennsylvania as big foot. Why so this is Cain, so Cain could have done it honestly. Let's ask in ham. What is can ham? What does he think is this? Is this cane real? Where does it say that 29:32 I don't know if it says it anywhere. It's just like a it's like a wives tale on the Mormon church. Oh yeah, that's cane, that's cane, that's cane and really honestly it was said by someone who was talking about wdbe ease cane. Yeah, yeah, you might be right. Isn't look what he's doing now. Wwe cane, because I think I remember if I remember this correctly, when you when you google this, you're going to be like wait what this just says cane hasn't been on tv in a few years parentheses because he's doing corporate stuff in real life. 30:03 What is he wick a pedia? No, it's on some other site. Wikipedia was what's his actual name, his actual name, Glenn Thomas Jacobs, Glenn Thomas, Jacobs, Glenn, Glenn, Jacobs, Jacobs, Mayor of Knox County, Tennessee. He's the mayor yikes 30:31 he's a politician now in that awful. That's great good for him. I guess I don't know. Well, I depending on what he says. I don't know enough about him to say good for him. Hey, I'm going to tell you right now bad for him bad for us. Bad for us. Okay, so it's nice county, Tennessee bro. You think he's out here being like we need public transportation 31:00 let's fight to decriminalize these parking tickets. Nah bro, nah he's yikes. Okay, so yeah, it could be aliens. The aliens could have been like you're in our stuff, and it could have been can be came. It could have been either from the Bible or the W. It could have been the mayor honestly. That's big foot country. Yeah, obviously hypothermia, the leading theory, obviously I shouldn't say 31:30 a theory. Another theory is a military experiment, and so this is kind of a dark one. The theory here is that corvina was a russian agent and she would take hikers how many you can kill while she would take hikers and she would experiment on them with different jackson yeah, what yeah yeah secretive weapons and see how they respond. She had one little sound bomb thing that did a high pitch noise and she called in she was is it supposed to have a green light 31:59 And and they were like, no, she's okay. I will not detonate. 32:07 What did she talk like a bear? She sounds like this. She's a russian agent. Okay, and so she lose. So she was she, which this was the first one where they actually like actually killed somebody, and so she had been doing this and like people were coming back with rashes and they were like sick, but they were never died and then now all of a sudden this is the one where a bunch of people died and then it got out and she accidentally killed herself to so that one's 32:36 a little a little strange. Another one that's a little a little similar is that they came across a military installation or experiment and they were all killed because of what they saw and for some reason they let the girl go. The girl got away and yeah and then this all went public and everyone knew exactly who she was later became super rich and she made a superhero suit and she started doing vigilante justice and the person that killed 33:06 all of this their campers was also a psychopath yeah villain yeah yeah. Is this the story of the Incredibles? Yes, credibility to where they famously all die. It's on the ride. It's on 33:32 Oh, this is the part where they die. This is the part where they all die. I say now it's like a universal right. It's like great job. Everyone's dead. You killed everyone. Oh my God, you killed them. They're on the I like a choose adventure where you choose the wrong like whoa, whoa there, whoa there partner seems like you're killing your whole group. It's like you killed everybody you psych 34:00 Bang! Bang, bang! 34:05 Thanks for checking out this episode. In that mailing list, we give updates on past episodes. and every week things are changing. in the happenings of Tilen topics. Also, we give updates on things that's happening 34:31 I like that. I've never said Till and Verse before, but I'm sticking with it. You can go to tilland.com. and everything that's going on in the Till and Verse. 34:57 Another series that was contaminated water. was known to be a toxic waste dumping ground Obviously they weren't at the lake, and that poisoned them. Why wouldn't she be affected by this? 35:26 Yeah, you know, like know that this lake right here is toxic right, so maybe we should have bring our own water, bring some cases of water. We got enough room for all this food, twenty four hundred calories a day. Another theory is mushroom poisoning that they gathered some mushrooms, which here's the thing. Corvina was known to be a forager. She would forage on her eyes and so they said maybe she made a mistake, didn't realize she was grabbing some poisonous mushrooms, mixed it with the food of 35:56 all of the hikers except for it. A chanko she got lucky. She's like I know things. I don't want any mushrooms. Yeah, she said honestly, it's pretty gross to me that you're eating stuff from the ground. She's like everything comes for the ground. No, that's not true. She's like no, not the stuff we not this bird. I killed this thing coming from the sky. I only I only food from up there. Okay, 36:24 where did you get that? Oh, I killed it, but I don't eat ground chicken. She has got the word ground. I never eat anything ground on the ground. Yeah, that means that means it's on the crap. She's just in there. Everyone, everyone's at breakfast, eating their porridge on the fire and she's out on the edge of camp, just throwing rocks at birds and honestly 36:53 nailing like nail it to birds one stone. She freaking it's like ping pong. I brought bird anybody what bird are you talking like that bird? 37:10 I get bird looking up. I bring bird camp. I brought bird and they're like, you're going to, they're going to kill us. We can't eat that raw. It's over Russia food from up there. Good. Not the food from down there. 37:37 that cancel for this who night dare to nuke me. 37:48 put that on you to another theory. Yeah, is that the symptoms described by the to chenko right there actually very familiar or similar to the kind of death. There are the symptoms that you hear from nerve agents. Yeah, yeah, the theory is that this is a toxic nerve agent that they were exposed to most likely novachak, which was a soviet developed nerve agent in the eighties. 38:15 that was used until 1993 when it was suddenly removed from regular use and was actually considered to be one of the deadliest nerve agents to ever exist. How would they come in contact with it? Well, it was actually used in this area. It was tested in this mountain range. And what they said is for years that- Who did they test it on? The trees? I don't know. I don't know what they would test it on. 38:43 I don't know. But what they did say is that they said that in this area, I don't remember the verbiage that they used here. It was a, they called it an ancient curse because they had tested it in this area and they said that when you walked through the area, you could disturb the soil and it would release that chemical back into the air. And so the phrase is you could step on it and it would liquefy trespassers. 39:13 is the phrase that they used in this article. So yeah, I don't know what that means, but again, probably that then, but again, what's strange is the ten ko was not affected by she's a protein of the birds. She's not protein deficient. Yeah, she is eating all this. You guys have tree nuts and porridge. I've meet. I've been eating birds all week. Have you ever done this in your life? No, 39:39 the nature called me just came out here. I just follow I saw a burden. I saw a bird. I said I should throw a rock at that and then I tried it. I tasted it never going back when I got a real food ever again. Remember in college when you bark in a squirrel, you bark in a bird 40:05 you just being like a has reminded me of a time in got you ever in college. You're when you're in sixth grade. 40:19 what the heck dude, but you remember you remember that in we would all go to chopstick when when Reagan and Stevie sat next to us psychology and they walked in and they were holding parts like I brought birds. I brought bird like why don't these girls like one for me one for you bring bird 40:50 just give that to my dad, not me and we're like always traditional. The next the next the next class she came in and she said I bring police bring security. It's fair. I'll move. That's fine. I'll sit somewhere. I'll go to Missouri State. No yeah. They let you bring birds to class there. Oh, that was definitely that was like some. What was the hard work you 41:17 college. That is called the Ozarks for that college. The Ozarks behavior. I killed bird good keep doing that so no in college. We would go to chopsticks long live and Josh didn't like chopsticks, so Josh would go next door to subway and he bring his subway to chopsticks and he'd have the table of chopsticks of either subway there. 41:43 it's the same thing. It's you're like everyone's eating this stuff. Everyone else is eating. I'll bring my bird most glorious and perfect Chinese food that's ever been created and give to us for a short period of time. We were in college only to be taken from us, ripped from our hands and then the spring of two thousand and fourteen, but due to the government, yeah, it was the g. It deported well. They couldn't renew their work visas, so I guess I guess technically yeah. I don't think they got to part. I think they just preemptively left. You know 42:12 was that last year? Do we call him on the podcast? Yeah, we did. I don't think it was last year we were here. That's right. Which episode do we call chopsticks? You remember and we called chopsticks sister? Yeah, that's right and we found out there in Australia. Yeah, yeah long live. We got to go Tony and Michelle anyway. So Tony and Michelle, if you ever hear this, we miss you. 42:36 orange, chicken, medium, spicy, don't gosh, I missed that place. Anyways, so it could have been the nerve agents. I could win the nerve agents. Here's the thing now. It a chanko she gets discovered. She tells the hikers what happened or the kayakers. What happened? She goes home. She doesn't. She's not talking about it. She leaves. She doesn't talk about it for decades. Oh, she murdered. She marries someone else and 43:05 there's a reporter. She was married. She married somebody else. She wasn't married to someone. She wasn't married. Somebody else. Can you believe that she got moved on? What are you talking about? She gets married, gets married and then years later, a reporter tracks her down because the report is trying to get to the bottom of this story. The reporter tracks her down, finds her. She very famously doesn't talk to anybody about this. Yeah, the reporter tracks her down the reporter somehow gets her to 43:30 agree to let her come inside and tell her I don't want to talk about that. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about something else and so she what we want to talk about you one you want to spelling bee in the third grade right grade right. She said she's like I think so maybe we're interviewing the winners of that spelling 43:59 So a couple of questions. Could you spell your name is by your name killing it great go to spell nerve agent for me? I weird question. I can spell that what happened to the other six in your group? Do you want me to spell that or can W I K I L L E D T H 44:29 e m h e m a d e d o i t i lost that's what you're spelling. What'd you spell? I said he made me do it. Oh he made. I was like he what you do it cane, can see in 44:58 Cain came to my tent in the middle of the night and told me to kill them. He said it'd be funny. He said it was it wasn't funny. Hey, 45:17 I'm a figure. I'm not a shut up, shut up, shut up, listen, listen, wouldn't it be funny? You'll be really funny. You made me laugh a lot. If you if you're killed this entire people, you know, be funny. 45:46 and she's like if we put all their hands in warm water and made them be there, there's a that's also pretty funny, but what you should do is you should ruthlessly kill all this. That's so funny. If you did that, I will do it for the bit I gotta be honest. I didn't get the night when I told those when I told those kayakers and they didn't laugh. I was like oh no my like here's what we're going to tell them. You say you don't don't tie don't ever tile anybody. 46:13 don't tell ever tell us something else. The way you're telling the story, you're filing a laughing and you're like so I kill her. It was funny and the way you should never ever tell anyone that ever again here hop hop in her kayak. Here's the thing. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm actually I'm going to tie you to the side of my kayak. You just float by kind of like a gator. I just kill this water isn't very don't 46:41 drink the water yeah. I yeah you shouldn't drink the water, so she gets the interview yeah. She gets the interview and in the interview while doing the interview yeah. The reporter recounts that her husband doesn't know this story yet. This is the first time her husband finds out about this. He didn't even know that she was on a hike like this like he had never heard any of this. You know the case at all yeah. He had no idea that this that anything even remotely similar 47:09 to this ever happen to her. Okay, imagine a reporter comes to home yeah and he's like hey, is your wife here and you're like she's married dude like at least bring birds yeah and you're gonna do a bird. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, and then the reporter is like there. You know, this is pretty significant event yes in your wife's background and he's like 47:36 Oh really yeah like the day she met me doing an art. You're doing an article about that's fun. That's really no. It was it was a real. It was a real blind date. It's crazy never before and I'm gonna stop you right there. We don't care about you. There's something else going on here. I'm pretty sure your wife met Kane, like the mayor, no of Knox County, Tennessee. No, he is no also a turn. Yeah, no, not that one. Okay, like 48:06 cane of Cain and Abel fame. Have you read the Bible, Sir? Oh sorry, I thought Cain and Abel was that the apothecary story downtown 48:20 Anyways, so it's our candles and stuff. She tells a story for the first time. Yeah, it's interesting when she tells this story back, it's different. Okay, and when she tells the story back, the the first kid bleeds from the eyes and everything and dies. Corvino comes back, tries to save him, has a heart attack and dies, but then the group gets together and says we need to try to make it down the mountain, so they leave them and they all move together and then later 48:49 it happens to another one of them and then that's when they start freaking out and one of them runs and bangs their head on the on a rock. Another one hides under a tree and dies in our tree and then she's left alone. And so a very similar story, but different, but different. And so another theory is that she did it either by mistake or on purpose and has hidden it all this time. Okay, but that's never been discovered. The official report was hypothermia. 49:19 And that's kind of where it lies. And the last theory is like the sound burst, which is the same thing that we hear from dialogue past the catabatic wind. And basically what happens is this wind that can come over the mountain and it creates almost this sonic boom, but it's like too low. The frequency is too low for us to hear. Yeah, and then the pressure basically blows you up from the inside, I guess. Okay, but why wouldn't that affect her? 49:46 Again, yeah, the question in all of these is why is she fine? Like, why does she survive out of everyone in this? And so the two or three that I think you probably could explain away or maybe the nerve agent, if somehow she ended up not getting exposed. Mushrooms, if she didn't eat the mushrooms, hypothermia, if maybe she didn't get wet, but I don't know how she does it in the storm, maybe if she had an umbrella or she was wearing different clothes or something, she ended up being OK. 50:16 I don't know how she could do that or she did it. I don't know what else like everything else. I feel like she should have been affected by yet and it should have also at least hurt her, but zero effects yeah, so I'm not really sure what happened there. Also, I feel like now we have the technology to you know test her blood in her system and see 50:46 you know if she's any long term effects from those kind of from a nerve agent or something yeah that's interesting because she's only forty five forty she's for the fifty yeah she's not old she's still around yeah she's still floating around out there. We could interview her maybe I mean we're what are we just a couple of dirty Americans on the phone. We're not on the phone. We can be anybody we want to be high. We can ship her a couple birds 51:16 Hey, she she opens up her mail one day to find three birds. What's your name again? What's hey? Hey, Ocho Cinco Oona, Jango, Hey, the guy who sent you the bird Joe Biden President, it's even worse. I was just calling to say hey 51:38 What really happened? My dying wish is to know what happened. I promise I won't tell. I'm not going to tell. This is a secret between you and me, Udachenko. Hey, listen. Listen, listen. I'm telling you the truth. 52:08 So yeah, that's the Camar, Dave, an incident, Camar, David, incident, Camar, David, incident. I can't stand that wrong. It might be Camar, Dabin, Daban, Camer, I don't know, but we have no idea what happened. I mean it was probably she probably did it. It was probably the big foot. Oh, something happened, something tragic happened to you when you were a teenager and no one else in your group be your sounds like you did it. We could be you wow 52:34 she did just put out a book called if I did it. I will say though she we don't know if she did the this incident in the woods, but we do know that she killed Andy Goose. We don't bird a go bird. That's not as point of the sky. That's yeah, that a group like a rest in peace and as the fiddle off 53:04 just do like a rest in peace. Andy Goose, where the years he lived gone, but not forgotten. I love that 53:16 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of things. I learned last night. 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