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Hey, man. Hey, man. Have you heard of Did you see the anger in my face? How long are you practicing that? Oh, I've known how to do this for like a decade No, that's not what I that's not the question I asked For this for this I didn't practice at all. I haven't I literally haven't done this. I can do that in college But I'm not gonna do it I Do you a little trick you're gonna do? No, I don't have a trick. I'm gonna do honestly This has nothing to do with the episode. I just had to be funny if I brought my old magic cards They're night. They're slick. They're very slick. They're nice. I like them. They feel good Crush it. Yeah, we're married I Don't stop stop stop stop. It's been balls me kissing your mouth Kiss my thing Things I learned last night My favorite part about this deck, hold on, let me show you. Let me show you my favorite part about this deck. So at least that's nothing new with the episode. A blank card. Which is good for tricks. This is nothing new. Yeah, this is literally nothing new with the episodes. I just thought it was fun. And I just brought them down. And like not even an impressive thing. Like not even like a magic trick. Just you fanning the cards. It starts out, yeah. Yeah. I don't know what a good start. I don't remember. I think we're a good start. I don't remember. I think we're a good start. I don't remember. I think we're just leaving these here. Uh. Sure. Dude, that was worth it. Yeah, I'm so glad you did that. Smedley Butler. Smedley G. Butler. Smedley G. Butler. Yes. Smedley G. If I was reading a book and this name came up, the character I would create for Smedley in my head, pull up a picture of Smedley. Smedley. Smedley. Yeah. That's, you know, I think that is fair. That's kind of how I would describe him as well. So Smedley Butler. This is Smedley Butler. Oh, okay. So this is like a World War I photo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here's another picture of him dancing in the rain. World War II. And I'm going to be honest. They don't look like the good guys. Yes. Okay. Yeah. He is a very brief like story of who Smedley Butler is. He is one of the most decorated Marines in U.S. history. Okay. He's one of 19, I believe it's 19, whoever received the Medal of Honor twice. And so he was, he was a young, young soldier. He enlisted at the age of 16 to fight in the Spanish-American War because he just believed in the cause. And then was a career Marine and ended up reaching the rank of general and throughout his career, just crazy feats of bravery that got him all these medals. His two Medal of Honors, one of them was an operation in the Caribbean. They were trying to take a rebel fortress that was deemed impenetrable and instead of commanding his army to invade it like a typical way, there was a drainage pipe that was two feet in diameter and him and one of his sergeants crawled through the drainage pipe like right into the courtyard and they took this from the courtyard to them. And then there was another event where him and his army, they went into in the Philippines, like again, another rebel controlled town and they were outnumbered six to one and they managed to survive. And in that encounter, he was actually shot in the chest, but his button took the shot and it drove the button into his chest and knocked him out. He was seriously injured, but the button was enough of a, like, a slow-the-bullet down enough that he had. Oh, wow. And so he's got this crazy gash in his chest from that. And when he woke up— A little button imprint? Yeah, he's got this button imprint. And he woke up on the battlefield thinking he had been shot, but he was fine and he continued and like didn't stop until the— He works on the battlefield and he's like, oh, I'm— Tell them his name is Jeff. Wait. Oh, I'm good. I'm okay. And then he just gets up and just continues to work. Yeah, I couldn't do it. I wouldn't do it to be honest. I'd have been like, well, I've got to double this. God save me once. Socks. This is terrible. I wish I wasn't doing this right now. Good luck, boys. I have been thinking about running for president because— You? Yeah. Only because my brother's in the Air Force, and I think it'd be funny to be his boss. You know what I'm saying, where it's like, I win, and now I'm like, yeah, you work for me. I own you. Yeah. And I can control his fate. And then like, you get elected, you win, and then like, you're doing like an interview. I'm doing president stuff. The rest of the job sucks. The rest of the job sucks. You know, but the best part of the job is like, hey, I'm my brother's boss. Hey. Call the Air Force, I feel like. Call the Air Force. I don't know what Myers is doing today. I mean, him to come clean the toilet. That's gotta be in my daily breeze. Yeah. I'm gonna make him the one that stands outside the window. He's not in marine, but he's gonna stand next to the guy who is a marine. Okay. So he can see what he could have been. You know, you could have been. You know, if you didn't go in the rinky, didn't care for us, buddy. You can be care for us. Yeah. So what's really interesting about I'm your commander in chief. You have to call me chief. Yeah. Legally you have to call me chief. He asked us to salute me when I walked in for this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is getting me pretty good. I like this bit a lot. Yeah. I'm gonna run. I'm running. Yeah. I'm gonna run. I'm running in 2028. I like if I walk in and Thanksgiving and I have my brother has to stand and salute me. Tell my uncle too. He's a veteran. All right. You have to do it until I say Addy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. Can we pass the potatoes? Oh, you can't. He's just like. Yeah. Hey, you're slacking posture. Is that what we train you with? Hey, you're slacking posture. Is that what we train you with? Yeah. So that's a great good. I like that a lot. So Smedley is operating. Eagle Scout over here was looking pretty disapproved. He was in here and like don't disrespect the Air Force like that. He loves the military. He loves the Air Force. So he's a Marine at the time where, and I think that this might still be the case. Let me actually double check this, but he's a Marine. And what's significant about him being a Marine is, yeah, okay. So at this time, and I believe this is still the case today, but today there's kind of like some loopholes that they use to do this. But technically, only the Congress has the power to raise an army. And so the point of the Marines is the Marines aren't the army. And they can do army stuff in peacetime. And so he is fighting a lot of wars. What year is this story taking place? This story is going to take place in the 1930s, but I'm kind of giving you background. Okay, okay, okay. And so that was a World War I photo that I was looking at. Yeah. And so this event is after he had already retired from the military. He's served a 30 year career. So he fought in World War I and Spanish-American War and every war and... Scourish all the stuff in between, yeah, for sure. And he, being a Marine, did a lot of these like special operations. And so he was, are you familiar with the term banana republic? Yes. If you're not... I love they're close. I'm wearing their jeans right now. I'm sure. I'm sure. Not that banana republic. They're named after. Which is a weird thing to name your brand after. I didn't get the tag. Don't take my cards. So I couldn't find the tag anymore. I don't believe you. Oh really? Yeah, I did find the tag. You slapped my hand. He's taking off his belt. Yeah, prove it. Prove it. Where does it say it? This is dead. It's going to be old, baby. Yeah. What is it? Where does it say it? This is dead. It's going to be old, baby. What is it? These are gap. Save. You know what happened? Same company. It was. I bought some expensive jeans from banana republic. Yeah. And then I went over to gap. And I was like, these are the same jeans. These are the same. You know what I'm saying? Like, these are, like, this is... Yeah. And so he... But do you know the banana republic? I got to say these off. After... Why don't I use the shoot without any shoes? I would take my socks, my shoes off, and I would unbuckle and unbuckle my pants. And that was never a thing for you to be like, maybe I'm getting a little fat. You were always just like, I feel better when I don't wear this belt when I was always like... Yeah. Yeah, I think there's a reason. Yeah, I think there's a reason. There's a belt, buddy. I think you're getting a little big there, bro. Yeah. And you look at our stuff. There was... We really did ebb and flow for a while there. That's life. We're then pretty consistent lately. We look fine. I'm not. I've put on some... I mean, like, we look consistent, like, it's been slower. I think we fluctuated quite a bit. I don't think so. I think I think I've gained a lot of weight over the last year. You're not as big as you were. Well, it's true. Not as big as I was. But... And that's something that I use a lot. That's a win. I guess. Yeah. If I want extra fabric in good... Alex is the other day, we went to Panda and I was like, I'm going to eat those crap and goons. They said, but that's probably not good for me. But also, I used to eat a family-sized bag of Doritos. I used to eat four orders of crap. So, like, one order is not bad. I don't like that. I definitely think about it. I used to eat entire cheesecakes. Do you understand? Like, that's... And so, like, yeah, I do one slice is fine. It's fine. It's not that bad. So, Butler was in the military at the time of Banana Republic. You don't know what the Banana Republic was. It was a period where the... And what's the Chiquita bananas? We had just recently... The United States had just recently discovered bananas. And they started importing them into the US and Americans were so hyped on these. And the low... The US companies that were using it became pretty exploitative and there became a local rebel group that started, like, fighting these corporations. Yeah. And so, the military came in and wiped them all out and took over these Banana Farms and ran the Banana Farms by, like, the military to bring the bananas in. And effectively, and in some cases, over through the government, like, through, like, an actual, like, CIA bat coup to take over the government and install. And that's where the phrase, banana republic comes in, we created a republic that we could control with a puppet government so we could have their bananas, which is crazy. Right. And there's an era where a lot of these things were happening, where the Marines were sent in to do these coups or quell rebellions, or to just gain control of a natural resource, whether that's bananas, or oil was a big one, sugar was a big one. And this was a very common thing in this era. And he realized this towards the end of his career. And he actually put out this, or did this speech, and it's a famous speech called the War is a Racket speech. And in it, he says this. He says, I served in all commission ranks from second lieutenant to major general. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street and for bankers. In short, I was a racket here for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket the whole time. Now, I am sure of it. It's a crash out episode. This is not a crash out episode. Well, it could be, we could crash out, but we're not gonna. And that? That's growing. And now I'm gonna crash out. No, I'm gonna, I'm really sorry, I have to back to you. Oh, that's bad. I like fully committed too. Like I, I flew me my shoulder out. Yeah, dude. That's crazy. Here, do you want to, do you want to make yourself feel cool again? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that. Yeah. Hello. Hello. There is 2007. 2007? Magic was cooler after that. David Boyne. David Blaine. They want that stuff back. I used to be able to do this thing that I don't think I could do now, but I'm gonna try it right now. We'll see if this works. Or you do like that. Yeah, you would grab it and you would say, is this your card? Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. Try it again. You do the thing where you're what? Is this your card? Is this your card? What about? Now, is this your card? I can't do it. That one takes like actual practice. I used to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't do whatever. I can't do it. I really wish I could have straight faced that. That got me in. I can't do magic anymore. I used to and maybe that's a good thing. Maybe it's a good thing I can't do magic anymore. Yeah, that's something you want to grow out of. I have like four or five of those decks. I know. Those magic decks. I know that about you. Did you have the magic kit? I had a magic kit when I was young. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had like the box with a little mirror, the little mirror. Yeah. So you could put the rabbit in the box and it would look empty. And you had the little wand with the ball thing. Yeah, and the little ball thing that like, you know, it looked like a fake ball and then you opened it and there's no ball there now. Yeah. Yeah. Fun stuff. Magic is fun. There's a ball there. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. You can't touch it. Touch it. We both die. If you touch it, we both die. If you touch that, we both die. So he's like, hey, I've basically done a lot of war crimes. Yes. Well, war crimes didn't exist then, did they? I mean, they, well, I guess not. That's what I'm saying. I guess technically there was. Yeah. I'm sure there were some agreements, but like it wasn't quite a war. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. 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We really appreciate you doing that. But if not, right back to the episode, right? Yeah, he actually tells a story of, so I didn't know this before researching this, but do you know why we took Hawaii? For the bananas? No, we wanted the Philippines and we needed some work on the way. Yeah, so we took Hawaii to be a refilling station, take the Philippines and he was a part of the mission to take the Philippines and while he was there, they had set up, what did they call him? I think they call them re-concentration camps because the idea, it was a concentration camp in reverse. You would concentrate all the people you wanted to keep alive and then everybody outside of that was fair game and so they were literally just decimating villages and so they would take people in that were, I don't know, politically valuable to them and they would just destroy it and they did that for natural resources. And so he learned pretty quickly that he learned pretty quickly that he was on the wrong side of most of these conflicts. That's why I asked the beginning, it looks like he's... He looks like the bad guy. But no, he's actually, well I guess he did do a lot of that things but he did it under the... But now he has it, now he has a assault, a Paul conversion, right? Yeah, well I don't even know if I would say he had a conversion, like I don't think he recognized because even in that quote, he said, I suspected I was part of a rack of the whole time. Okay. Now I'm sure of it. So like the whole time, he's like, we might be the bad guys. Yeah. He's like, we're definitely going to be doing this for oil. Yeah. And so, but here's the thing. He was a very decorated war hero and he was very highly respected. He was sought out. He would do like conferences for like the American Legion. He would do all these big government events, corporate events like after his career, he was all over the country as like this war hero. Okay. Veterans loved him because of the bonus bonds, what is it called? Bonus bonds, bonkers, Billy Bass. The bonus bonds army event. Okay. And so after World War One, that was this thing where the government gave everyone who fought World War One, all the veterans, bonus bonds, which was a bonus for fighting in the war that they won, but they were bonds because the government's like, we can't pay you yet. But we will. Yeah. They're like, hey, here's a, there's a, you know, don't cash that until next week, kind of five. Yeah. And so they were like, I think it was like the old vest in like 1939 or something like right. Then you can pay it. Perfect timing, too. And so night, what's going to happen between now and then, who loans? Don't worry about it. So all the veterans come back from World War One, they go back to the regular life and life is normal for a little bit. And then the Great Depression kicks off. And for a couple of years, all these veterans are trying to make it through the Great Depression, but they're all out of work. They're not surviving. And so finally, in December 1932, a giant group of these veterans march on Washington doing what is the, the bonus bonds march. Yeah. And they come in basically demanding that they have their bonuses paid now because they need it. And they set up camp in Washington. Yeah. And they basically, it's basically Occupy Washington, like Occupy Wall Street. Right. But these are all World War One veterans, like war heroes from World War One, just camping out in Washington, doing these speeches, doing these rallies. Very peaceful. There was never any like negative events, never any violence, but they were there for a while. And they were kind of blocking Washington because there was so many of them. Okay. And so what's there guy who was like living outside the White House for like decades? Uh, you want to talk about, there's a pretty famous protester? No, I don't, I don't know what you're talking about at all. I mean, find it. Hold on. Uh, while you're looking at it out, I'll kind of finish this, this story because, um, after the, they can continue demand, they want to go anywhere, they couldn't get rid of them, eventually Hoover ordered in the army to get rid of them. And so the army rolled into Washington with tanks and they burnt down their camps. Uh, yeah. This lady held a decades long protest outside the White House and she just camped outside it. Yeah. I mean, she was out there for a long. I mean, like that is a pretty, the White House peace vigil was a, since the 80s, she was out there. That's wild. You never heard of that. Okay. Let's see. Uh, 2016, did they kill her, the peace vigil, don't look at me like that, don't look at me like that. It's a logical question because this went on for forever and Hoover, I don't know if you heard me when I said this because you were Google and her, uh, Hoover sent in the army to break up this bail bonds army that was out there looking for, not bail bonds, uh, bonus bonds. And he said, it's army versus army now. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. They were fist to cuff. Okay. They came in with tanks. They came in with gas. Oh my gosh. And they burned down their camp, um, uh, literally said at the blaze, uh, two veterans died in this affair. Um, hundreds were injured. And it's an interesting juxtaposition because we now know through history that this literally was war heroes from World War One against war heroes from World War Two. Yeah. That fought each other and, uh, uh, right there in like the White House lawn, uh, which is pretty wild. Um, Butler, Smedley Butler was there. He was doing speeches the whole time, um, he was talking like for the bonus bonds side of things. Right. He's like, you guys are heroes. Like what you're doing is like your American right, like they should pay you. You sacrifice your lives for them, like totally signing, signing with the veterans. Look at this, man. Not a phone in sight. Huh? They're all just listening. But this was a moment that kind of like cemented butlers, right? Like, uh, uh, grip on veterans. Veterans were like, he's our guy. He's one of us. He's with us. Like he was a general. He was top brass, but he's like here with us in this like tough moment. And so because of that, there was a guy by the name of Gerald McGuire. You recognize this guy? Uh, no, but I see he's got a fat cigar. I could play him in a movie, I think, honestly, he made my ears a little bigger. His movie would slap. I'm not going to lie. Maybe my face a little rounder. So just, oh, I, I have more have a better hairline. You could play his hairline. So Butler is, you could play his mirror. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, you were hairline onto my head. Uh, hey, let's give a good, clean shot to the camera to him so I can do that. And then I'll go in and, and give a Photoshop of your hair. And I'll divide. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm going to do with my time. All right. Should I be doing other productive things? Of course. And so here, so that McGuire guy, uh-huh. Butler is just enjoying retirement. He's at his retirement home. Um, and he, but, or he's just chilling one day and a limo pulls up to his house. McGuire gets out and goes up to his door, uh, and basically is like, hey, can I come in? I got a question for you. And he's like, who are you? He's like, I got a question. He's like, I'm the guy from the limo. I'm the guy from that limo. Did you see me get out of it? It's like pretty. It's like, it's kind of like a status of like, you're living in your house. Yeah. He connects with him. He's like, I'm a wounded veteran. Uh, I survived the war. Um, I'm one of you. And he said, I know what I'm doing. I now work for a Wall Street firm called Grayson Murphy and co, um, and he basically travels around the, the world selling, um, bonds, he's a bond salesman. And he's like, he's like, um, there is this issue going on with the American Legion. He said, we don't really like the politics of some of the top leadership in the American Legion. Okay. So this speech, and you have like a lot of leeway with veterans. And so we would love it if like you would give this speech to the American Legion. And he reads the speech and he pretty quickly realizes that this speech is trying to sway the veterans from their position to the position of Wall Street, um, because what's happening at the same time is FDR's new deal is going on. Right. And so it hasn't passed through, but a lot of bankers and Wall Street elites are very against everything that the new deal was going to do. Because it was going to redistribute, redistribute a lot of the wealth. Yeah. Right. And so, and it's almost like that set us on a really strong trajectory. And so McGuire, well, we're not going to talk about that. We're not going to talk about it. We're not going to crash out. McGuire is basically like, yeah, here, like we would love you. And so he reads it. And he pretty quickly is like, no, this is, yeah, this is preposterous anti the message. Yeah. And so he actually like the reports we have is he physically grabs the guy and he drags him into another room. When he drags him into the other room, he takes him in this room where all of his war trophies are, but they're not like his medals, no, they're not his medals. They're not like awards from the US government. They're like people's ears. No, they're gifts from locals like their guests from locals all over the world where like he protected them from. Oh. And he's like, he's like, these are the things that like these are the reason I fought. And he's like, but people like you and people like the people you work for made me fight just to make them wealthy. And then he throws him out of his house, like physically throws him out of his house. And he's like, don't ever come back here again. And so McGuire kind of dusts himself off, gets in his limo and he takes a trip to Europe. And he's like, I got to see what these people in Europe are doing because this is an interesting time in the United States as well because fascism is on the rise in Europe, multiple different states. And in the US, we had this like idea of fascism today because we live in a post-World War two world. They did not. Right. And they didn't see where fascism went yet. And so there's a lot of people in the US, especially wealthy business people in the US who thought fascism was a great idea. And so he was going studying fascism across the earth because he was like, this could be our solution. He liked the things that they were doing. He thought that they had good solutions to unions and labor rights and all these things. Yeah, all the things that were in their way. Good solutions to unions and labor. Yeah. So he has literally studied under Mussolini and he came back and he was like, yeah, and he came back and my mentor, okay, he came back and well, you don't know what you don't know. I guess they didn't know yet. And Butler was traveling somewhere, doing some conference and McGuire tracked them down and McGuire basically follows him back to his hotel room and is like, hey, like we're making some progress. And he has a briefcase. He opens up the briefcase. He's got $30,000 in cash. And he's like, he's like, there's a lot more where this came from. He says, the people I work with, they have agreed. If you join us to pay you $300 million that day in that day's money because they said and these are literally JP Morgan Chase. These are CEOs of Ford, CEOs of General Motors, like the biggest companies in the world. They have recognized that if FDR's new deal goes forward, they're going to be the majority of their wealth pinched. So all of them have basically said, we will give half of our wealth to stop this from going forward. And so I'm not going to do it. So what you see what I'm saying, right? And listen, we'll put a lot of money toward not having to put a lot of money. You know, like they put a lot of money so we don't have to put as much money. I guess. Yeah, because they're like, we're going to lose 90% of our wealth. And so we can spend 50% of our wealth to keep the, to keep 50. Negotiate them. I'll take 50. And so basically what they say to him is they say, we see who you are and we see the influence you have of our veterans and we will pay you better than you've ever been paid before to raise an army and to overthrow the U.S. government. And he hears this whole pitch from McGuire. Yeah. And he goes quickly is like, okay, let's play this out. Tell me what you want me to do. And he gets the full report from McGuire. He gets the full plan of everything they want to do. Yeah. Every person involved. Yeah. And it is. Give me all the names. Give me the rising account. Give me their, yeah. Last four of their credit card numbers. They're social. And so he gives them all the list and he goes and he has another meeting. And then at this meeting is, let me get the names of all these guys. So this is. Sky, this is a painting. Yeah. of ourselves. This is Robert Sterling Clark. He's an heir to the singer sewing machine fortune. Sure. And then this is... Not a thing you hear of anymore. Sewing machine fortunes. Yeah. This is John W. Davis, who is JP Morgan's personal attorney. Right. And then you are seeing Jason, or not Jason, Gerald McGuire. Yeah. And then this is... What is this guy's name? Sitting so freaking weird. Like I, you know, crossing your legs is one thing. But putting your hands in your lap and like looking like that. So weird. That's Murphy. That's who this is. Yeah, that's Grayson MP Murphy. Yeah. He's a Wall Street broker and a director of like multiple corporations. Sure. And they basically sat down with him and they were like, here's our plan. You're going to raise an army. You're going to march on Washington. You're going to remove FDR. You're going to be the new president. Oh, they're like doing a whole... They want to do a full coup. Yeah. Like you're more going to lead through you. So you're going to be the figure head of this new organization. We're going to pay you $300 million to do this. And he basically agrees to the whole thing. JP Morgan. Yes. His personal attorney. His personal attorney. Yeah. Was trying to fully do a coup. A full coup of the United States government. And so he... So Smetley Butler takes all this information. Uh-huh. And he turns around and he goes to a guy by the name of Paul Comley French. And he tells Paul all about this. I think I guess what Paul does for the... Paul's a reporter. I love him. I love him. Look at him with his little Harry Potter glasses and his pipe. He is a stereotypical 30s newspaper reporter. Yeah. Yeah. She... Hey, I need something for the... Yeah, I didn't know this. You know why it's called a deadline? No. Because there was a line. You know, there's a... Once the machine's running, if you go past that line, the machine's big enough it's going to kill you. Yeah. Yeah, the machine's moving. And so you... So it's a safety line that you can... Like kill... So it's like, hey, you're dead line. Dead line. Yeah. Wow. And so it's like once the machine's going, then you can't stop it. You're not going to go up there and get your story in. That's a much better way to... Isn't that cool? Communicate to my team. If you are late on this... If you're late on this, you're going to die. I'm not going to do it. The machine will kill you. The machine is going to do it. The machine will kill you. Yeah. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Hey, thanks for listening to this episode. If things I learned last night, if you like the show, you want to support us. We've got merchandise that you can get. And it's a good stylish stuff that I made. I put a lot of work into this stuff. So it's great to find other Tilling fans in the wild and be like, wait a minute. I know that shirt. And so yeah, we would love for you to do that. You can pop over to shop.tilling.com or there's a QR code or there's a link in the description. There's plenty of ways to find it. We promise we made it super easy. So thanks for supporting the show and thanks for listening. So he goes to French. It tells French everything that happened. Yeah. And he's basically like, I need you to go verify everything and find out everybody involved. He's like, you're a reporter. Oh, okay. So French goes and starts doing all this digging. Yeah. And he starts following all the rabbit trails and he basically compiles all this stuff to verify everything that's smelly set. And smelly is like, this is exactly what I wanted you to do. And so then smelly goes to Congress. And. Snitch. Okay. And they they convene a special committee, the McCormick Dickensstein committee. And at this committee, he basically details this whole plot from some of the wealthiest Americans to genuinely overthrow the US government, remove FDR and replace him as president. And they called us the business plot because it was all businessmen who came together and plotted to overthrow the government. And the only reason it didn't succeed is because they chose the one guy who would rat them out, who would say 300 million is not enough. I don't think that's the only reason it didn't. You know, I mean, like you got to rally those amount of people to go do the coup. I mean, we, you know, we don't know what would have happened after this point. There could have been a lot of reasons it would fail. Sure. But the reason it failed that we had that for then happened was they chose a guy that they chose a guy who was like, is a great plan. Yeah. No, no, no, tell me more. Tell me more about this. Yeah. They thought they thought that he was on the side of the veterans and was going to side with the veterans and help, but they misread. But was the sentiment of the veterans that they, the veterans didn't want to do that? No, no, no, no, no, but they thought that they could convince them. They thought that they could trick them. They were like, we'll convince them that this is this will make them wealthy. That this is the, that the prod that the DR's new deal is the problem. And I think, and I think this is like an important note, like I don't think that they were like intentionally tricking. I think they believed the trickle down economic idea. Like I think they believed what fascism was doing was better for everybody because they were watching an early version of it. They didn't see how this story played out yet. Yeah. So like I think they saw this stuff in on paper. A lot of this stuff is like, yeah, well, yeah. If the, we really did just take over other countries, like we really were just like, yeah, we run that now. And it's true. Yeah, all these businesses. This was a time when that was just the thing we did. All these businessmen were used to a world where they call Washington and say, hey, like we need you to go invade Cuba because we need the money. Right. And they would do it. And FDR wasn't doing that. FDR was a class trader. Yeah, it is something we should do. We should do some more stuff. FDR, we should do a thing on Hoover. How he, how Hoover moved out west. I don't know what you mean about Hoover moving out west. Hoover moved out west to start Silicon Valley. I don't, I don't know that story. Oh, well, you should look that up. Interesting. Yeah. I'll have to look into it. And so what's wild about all of this? Well, what became so he didn't go out there and was like Silicon Valley, you know. Speaking of Silicon Valley, he were like, what is that? He's like, you're on your so far behind already, dude. I didn't want to tell you this for like four episodes, but they've all been too long. Have you heard of the, have you heard of mythos? Anthropics mythos or project or project glass wing? No. So this is the Anthropics new model is done. It's ready to release mythos. It's called mythos, but they're not releasing it because in testing. It was able to find over a thousand zero-day vulnerabilities in every major operating system and every major browser and thousands. I guess not hundreds of highly used websites and applications. So then they go tell everyone? So what they did is they came up with project glass wing and they brought in all these companies and they're like, hey, these are the vulnerabilities that our new model discovered. What? Patch them. And the reason they're doing this and they're using it now to go through and find more vulnerabilities and find the people who run these to patch these vulnerabilities before it. But this is because they know that open AI is roughly anywhere from four to six weeks behind them on other models. And they claim. And so it's crazy. The more we find out about these people, the less for it. Like it's starting to feel like Sam Altman is a little bit like what's her face from the thing. Oh, they're not the deep voice. Yeah. The deep voice. Yeah. Elizabeth. A little bit. Holmes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not the. Yeah. Which one was kidnapped? Elizabeth Smart? I don't know who was kidnapped. You don't tell about. I don't know. I always get her confused. But anthropic is doing this project because they're like open AI is just going to release it. And it's got this. And if it's at the same level. And it's like then. Yeah. Then people are going to be able to explain. And that's the whole thing. And that's actually a pretty good PR move from anthropic where they're just like, hey, we're telling you they wouldn't. They're not gonna. They're not gonna. Yeah, it's crazy. That's pretty crazy. But also, here's the thing. I use quad as my primary. Yeah. And it doesn't know a lot about itself is what I don't like. Because I'm like sitting here being like, I'm trying to set up a whole system where I can pull all of our episode transcripts. So I can make our episodes easily. So I can find out, hey, which episode did we talk about that in? Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was way easier. And it's like, I can only read text files. It's like, okay. So we set up the whole thing to pull the transcripts, put it in Google Drive as a text file. And then I said, great. That's the stuff that I just pulled into the Google Drive. And he goes, oh, I can't read text files. And then I said, earlier, you told me you could only read text files. Oh, they have to be actual Google docs. Okay. We'll just redo and use all the credits again, I guess. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So then I go, oh, it found all these zero day. And I go, I don't know, man. I think those are a bit different because it's code. Yeah. It is a lot better at code and at like spreadsheets. I could say, you know, yeah, it's really good with code because code is not, code is not like, I mean, I guess sometimes, but most of the time code is very black and white. Yeah. And it's so easy. Anybody could do it, dude. And this is one of those things where it's like, we're like, oh, I'm a developer. It's like, dude, like, this is the easiest thing I've ever been done, man. I've built several apps this week, you know, the thing you don't talk about. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's like so easy. Yeah, it's so easy. I don't mean so dumb people could do that. You're right. It's so easy. Yeah. But I think a lot of people, a lot of people who use the chatbot, Tim does every job. A lot of people use the chatbots and they're like, these things are dumb and they're kind of dumb in the chatbot things. Right. They're coding tools. Like they're building the coding tools first. And so like the coding tools are further ahead than the chatbots are in terms of what they can do. Sure. And it's pretty wild. It's actually, it's scary. How good it is. Yeah. And so like, I fully believe that these things are finding vulnerabilities because Opus was finding vulnerabilities. And I've seen these reports they are finding actual vulnerabilities that nobody else has found before. So it is, it's scary. We're marching towards the edge of everything. No, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. It's a good idea to do it. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. We can't go through. Well, here's the thing. And this is where it's like, I told you. And this is good. You know what? I, these, first of all, this is fourth episode in a row. Pretty banger. I don't know, I'm saying you're going to be in trouble. So I'm trying to be encouraging. You're bringing some good topics. Not that you were bringing bad topics. Not that you know what I'm saying. But like, hey, you were trying to crash out of us. We're trying to be... We're trying, we're trying, we're trying to be strong. We're trying so hard. Stop it, don't try that hard. We're trying to be strong. We're trying to be strong. Yeah, try harder to try less hard. No, we've been trying it. We've been trying, we've been trying. We've been trying really hard. Yeah, we're here to have a good time. Yeah. Anyway, well, we're on the line with it. Yeah. But so this whole case goes forward and it's kind of wild because the committee basically concludes that all of these corporate elites and bankers and businessmen and lawyers were concluding to overthrow the U.S. government. That's the conclusion that they make. But none of them were held accountable. That's what I'm like, why? Nobody was held accountable for it. Which is... And I think we talked about it before where it's just like, oh, we're afraid if we hold accountable. Like... What is... Yeah. The reasoning, the reasoning given was that they are leaders and organizations that are so large that we can't, if we took, if we took all of them, because there were so many, if we took all of them and we held them accountable, that it would fracture the U.S. economy. That's the organization. That's the organization's big. And they were in the middle of the Great Depression and they couldn't afford the risk. That in the Great Depression, some of the last corporations that were able to give people jobs, all of a sudden couldn't give people jobs. Right. Which is insane. And so these people got insulated by the fact that they... It's like when these celebrities get DUIs and stuff, you see Tiger Woods. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just DUI. Do you see that video? Yeah. Where he's literally... I just got off the phone with the president. Shut up, drunk boy. Shut up, drunk boy. You're getting interested. The same as all of us. Shut up, drunk boy. You're getting interested. The same as all of us. Shut up, drunk boy is one of those, like, I haven't think of anything like this. You came in wearing this thing at this... Yeah. It looks cool. Nah. Yeah. Talk about it. Nah. 90s called. They want... They want their jacket back. You give me the phone. The 90s called. There's no one there. You made that up. I didn't make that. It's a bit. It's a bit. It's a common bit. What are you talking about? Oh, let me talk to him. What are you talking about? Let me talk to him. What are you talking about? Let me talk to him. Reagan did that to me. He was like... Oh, yeah. 2008 called. I tried to set you up for it earlier. And I was like... Give me the phone. Give me the phone. Let me talk to him. She handed me our fingers. You want me to... You want me to head? Yeah. I want... No, you want to take my fingers. Okay. Fake phone. It's a really funny bit. All right. Let's go. Let me talk to him. All right. It's a fake phone. Not the trigger. I'm... Kiss my finger. Let me see. Oh, my God. I didn't expect you to go that hard. You're not really afraid of things like that. He's going to be watching his mouth for a moment. You're normally afraid of things like that. What is that? I mean, you're normally afraid of things. I mean, one context is normally. I feel like you got to tell people that we don't just... Yeah, we don't. Just fingers. You got to tell these people. We don't lick each other's fingers. I have never lick that in hands of fingers before. Normally, you don't like that kind of stuff. What? I thought you don't like it. It's your scared of it. I don't like it. I need water. I don't like that kind of stuff. I appreciate that. As opposed to you. Who loves that stuff. Where are you talking about normal? Normally, you're not... You're afraid of that stuff. That's my thing. I appreciate that you committed to that. That was big for you. Yeah. I don't like putting... Yeah, making... I don't like putting other people's fingers right now. Yeah. I'm so weird for that. I'm so weird because I don't like to put other people's fingers in my mouth. Yeah. And if you're your first time listening to our show, you should know that normally I don't like to do that stuff. This is it. This is the show. This is what we do on here. On your hands, things like that. That's such a weird thing to say. Normally, you don't like that stuff. That was way funnier than the bit I was trying to do. I was just trying to do the fake phone bit. So yeah, so... All these people just got away with it. That's the story here. They didn't even make them fiddle off, dude. Okay. Let's do it the same time. Okay. Hey! Thanks for listening to this episode of Things I Learn Last Night. If you were one of us and do another one. And what? Let's do another one. Go check out Jake with nasty. Go check out Jake with nasty. A crazy, parents- A crazy parent trooper from World War II. Who's copying you here? I thought that we... It seemed like we were trying to copy... We were trying to talk at the same time. And then it seemed like we tried to do a bit where you would say a line. And I would say a line. And then it seemed like you were exactly. And then it seemed like you had to share this episode. 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