John Birch Society: Conservative Group Behind a Failed Gold Heist

07-02-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, this episode's about the John Birch Society. It's a political action group that was founded in the fifties that founded a lot of crazy ideas that are still exists today and also got involved into some kind of weird, muddy, sketchy waters and we're gonna look into all those different things that has happened throughout its history. This is Tillan Podcasts, where a comedy podcast where we talk about something that's like somewhat educational. You're gonna learn a little bit, but more than anything, we're gonna have fun. We're gonna make fun of some stuff. We're gonna laugh. It's gonna be a good time. So thanks for watching the show. Let's jump right into it. Hey, man, what's going on? Have you ever heard of the John Birch Society? Yes? Yeah, have you really? Yeah? This on genuinely knowing who you are, you might know this. You're into this kind of stuff, like you're into learning and you're not into this kind of stuff. I should be clear. You're into learning about this kind of John Birch Society. Yeah, is a cult. Yeah, and it is, I'm guessing, and it is in the it's in California. You technically in a way like it. I mean, they have people there that are a part of it. All right, we'll go it is a cult though, Yeah, I love cold episodes. Well, I mean, maybe it's not a cult, but I guess in a sense you could probably call it podcast about cults just in general. That has been old case, cold cut, coult cut combol, cult cult combo. That would be our Cold Boy franchise expose. A episode would be cold cut, cold Cult combos cold No coult cut combos cold cut. It was better cold cold cult combos. I'm so again. It's one of those things where I sometimes I just think about there's somebody listening to this for the first time and they're like, God, the show awful. Maybe this is a real candy. You haven't hear sugar bathe the sugar trying to get an out of context quote and I'm just trying to get good stuf. You don't know. So you didn't know what a sugar baby is? No, no, no, no no. But when you showed the package, I've had done before. Oh yeah, have you had a sugar daddy? I respect to get things I learned last night Element John Bird Society. So this is I've realized WEE can time travel you and I. Okay, watch yeah, Jaron, Right now, I know you're on a walk or running, or I'm driving somewhere. I just want you to take a moment, center yourself, and then out loud just scream as scream something or just scream. I was trying to think it will be appropriate, but probably just I have a bomb. It's gonna be really funny if you're on a plane right now. It's gonna be really funny if you're going through TSA and you're like taking your ear butts out and it switches to speaker audio. But like and it's like, Jaron, it's that's that's guided your voice. What is that? What is this? This is my guided terrorism. It's just my guided terrorism. Yikes. Okay, but we have the ability to say something to your future self right now. So I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. Do you listen you listen to the episodes? Yeah? Yeah, of course, I'm saying, like when I go on, I don't listen to other podcast and I listened to our podcast a little narcissistic. Yeah, you got in my car last week and my podcast was played. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean I do the same thing. It's like I can't like it is a little narcissistic. But let's be honest. Narcissists have podcasts like I think we do power like influence if you meet someone if actually genuinely speaking, I asked my therapist this the other day. I said, do you think I'm a narcissist? I said, do you think? Do you think I have? You? You're saying your awareness to be like, am I a narcisist? Is what makes it that you're not? Yeah? I said, I said, do you think I have a narcissistic personality disorder? And he opened up the d S M five and he said, do you have a podcast? And I said yes? And he said, you're narcissistic. Let's go to your Instagram explore page right now? Is it? Alex HERMOSI, do you have a Robinhood account? Traits of narcissism? Those are two, those are three very podcast hermos on the four you paid Robinhood account. Robinhood account, that's very likely narcissism. Anyways. Uh So I heard a theory on narcissism that over involved parents in their kids' lives is a form of narcissism because like one interesting you know, well, because I mean, like we've all known that dad that took his kid too seriously, like when we were grown up in sports and we're like, freaking dude, you know, Brian's dad is a little intense. Yeah, they're like living vicariously. Yeah. Someone was saying that that is narcissism and that it's not like I'm trying to live through my child. My child is an extension of me, and therefore they must be successful. Yes, yes, so it's not like I wasn't successful, so I want my kid to be successful so that I can I can secondhand experience that, which is some people's things. That's what living vicariously through someone is. Is you you secondhand experiencing that. But they're saying that you are I have to be successful, right because you carry my name. Yeah, which is the way I feel. Yeah, I don't have kids yet, but they have to go to counseling. Yeah, you better start saving and putting money away right now. Now, way when your kid comes to you when they're like a young adult, and then like in the early twenties, they finally talked to you again after ten years. Yeah, and they go, you put me through so much, and you're like, you know what, I've been waiting for this conversation. I set aside some money, yeah, for your counseling, but to be honest, inflation's really caught up and this is only enough for two sessions now. So his counselors counselors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So the John Birch aside Robert w. Welch, this is him, which Robert Welch looks like a comedian from the eighties. Sure was playing him when this photo was taken. Mike, you look like the actor portrayal of you is a good insult. I'm gonna use that. That's funny. Robert Welch, he was a candy tycoon like Adam Sandler playing you. He's a tycoon. He's a candy tycoon. Okay. So he was born in UH eighteen ninety nine, uh and he and his brother founded the Oxford Candy Company. It did not go well. The school was a lot better. Yeah, their school was a lot better. Their school or in UH nineteen twenty five, Harvard was a tire shop. Before they were like, what have we taught? What? Their all their mechanics were throwing. Mechanics were sitting there talking about I and soone was like, what are we fixing cars for? Why are we doing this car stuff? So you should be riding law. A lot of mechanics think that. The Him and his brother James, they started the Oxford Candy Company together and it didn't well. It was they had a a Jimmy John's Pickleman scenario on their hands. So in nineteen twenty five they split up and they both have our own individual podcast. You'll have a different co host. You can't carry it alone, and we'll have our own stuff. It's like, hey, you can't use road kind of yeah, because it's our Yeah, we use that resually, can't use that. That kind of mayonnaise. I'm keeping up. That's my mayo. What is your mayo of choice? None? I don't like mayo. Mayonnaise is gross? Cool? Yeah, what's yours? Uh Helman's Yeah, that's disgusting. Okay, it would no matter what you said. I was. That's discussed for sure. This maonaise is disgusting, And next they're falling out. They started their two different candy companies. James is his brother James, the James O Welch company ended up being much more successful, and uh Robert failed and then went to work for brother James. While working there, though he because of he's going to be to We just talked about that last night. Yeah, because of one day I'll have to offer you a janitorial position in my office. Yeah, because nothing else is working out. Yeah, the because of nepotism, will always have a job from me. Clad because of nepotism, he had a high ranking position. You can always tell when Tim does not like the joke when he's just like, so, anyway, the topic is this, and you're like, here's a dumb little story. And he's like when you're talking about your gatorade sticker, like it thick. He's just like so James because of nepotism. James his brother and I ranking position at the company. And there this this candy company went on to be like a big deal. They did sugar Daddies, sugar babies, Junior Mints, Pom Poms. Sugar babies is a real candy. You haven't heard sugar babies. It's a big king. I mean I've heard of sugar babies. Yeah, Sugar daddies, Sugar daddies, and sugar babies here, I'll show you the branding. Yeah, I can't believe you've seen these before. I guarantee you they're kind of like they're big in movie theaters. I mean I will say they were. And there's no nice way to say this. If we have any uh, anyone watching this? Above millennial, millennial and above these were old candies for us. You know what I'm talking about. Oh oh yeah, yeah those are good though. Yeah, you can get them at movie theaters. Sugar, you cann't really find them. Shut up, you cann't really find them anywhere else because they're like milk duds. Yeah, the sugar trying to get an out of context quote, Tim, I'm just trying to get good stuff. You don't know. So you didn't know what a sugar baby is? No, no, no, no no. But when you showed the package, I've had them before. Oh yeah, have you had a sugar Daddy? I've I respect the games. Sugar daddy is the same thing. That's why I got the name the sugar Daddy. Never it was like a big caramel pop. It was like a lollipop. But if it was just caramel and it was huge, sure, forty eight grams of milk caramel, and then the sugar baby was like, what if it was just this both? At least I have a caramel apple every day, every day in my life. I have a caramel apple because you know what they say, caramel apple a day keeps the dentist paid. And you're an investor, you're local dentist. The more business they have, the more money. Yeah, yeah, I had. Have you ever had like a Honeybee brand apple? Their Honeycrisp asples. It's a new brand. I just found. They are one huge, two the sweetest apple I've ever tasted in my life. Clearly genetically modified. But go to your local store look for I think it's gross. Is cotton candy grapes? Yeah, that's insane. Do you know those exists? Do they taste like cotton candy? Yeah? There, and they're like they're genetically modified. Yeah, that's crazy. It's like cotton candy grapes. So anyways, Robert Welch, we got a lot to cover here. Robert Welch, he uh, he was successful in business out of a business business tycoon of sorts, and James went to work for him, right, No, they they worked together kind of falling out, James's business was more successful. He went to work for jameson business because nepotism. He was high up in the company and still was super rich because of it. Okay, he might as well have been in his company. He got so rich and uh he uh. In the fifties was looking at a few things, the biggest one being communism, and was like, people are too okay with communisms. Okay, And also he was nervous about the government getting too big and turning into a one world government. And it was also nervous about other a lot of other really, a lot of other stuff. And so he said, what if we started a political activist group called the John Birch Society, And so okay, named after not him, but a guy named John Birch. Here's a picture of him. Here's a picture of the actor portraying him, pointing at the guy he named his society after, which is John Birch. John Birch was, according to Robert Welch, the first person killed. He is real, but he was, according to Robert Weltch, the first person killed in the Cold War. What happened was in World War Two, Japan surrenders and the United States military says, hey, go get the verification of the surrender from this group in northern China. Make sure that they know that the war's over, basically, and so he got sent with naval intelligence offers officers through northern China to go tell these this specific outpost of Japanese soldiers. And on the way they happened upon a group of Chinese communists and not a part of the war, but they were just there and they were like, we're gonna kill you, and they did. And so they killed him and a bunch of other people there. But Robert for some reason latched on why shouldn't say, for some reason, we know exactly why latched on to John Birch. Because John Birch, before the war was a fundamentalist Baptist missionary and then he became a war hero. So this became for him. Not only did he die in active military service, he died as a martyr too because he was also a missionary. So he kind of double dipped causes for him. And so they founded this organization, and the organization did political lobbying and campaigned and tried to teach the public fifties through the fifties. Yeah, and try to teach the public about a lot of stuff. And all these things are things that have like survived to this day that we've heard of a little bit of their political positions, we can hit a little bit. They were historically opposed to one world government, and they hated the United Nations. They hated NAFTA, they hated the Central American Free Trade Association, any free trade association. They wanted to reduce immigration. They had problems with the civil rights movement and the women's rights movement. They are actually the people who started like they're trying to take the Christ out of Christmas thing. They're the people who started this. They actually they campaigned for a while that they were like the UN is trying to take all the Christian symbols out of it and replace them with UN symbols, which is just like the logo like the United Nations, like instead of having an angel, you have Yeah, I just love the idea of Christmas and like all the Christmas cookies that are like, but they're the United Nations of Christmas is the United Nations, like Charlie Brown's Christmas, but it's like the United Nations, Like, oh, world domination in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like, hey, sign up for grammarly and use code tilling, and we got like fifteen cents, And now we just do Patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators, it's better for you as listeners, and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on Zoom. We just hang out and play games online and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So but still use our code tilling at grammarly dot com because I think it's still like it if we might get like a couple cents from that, But join us on Patrion because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're gonna have to start doing mobile game ads. And then oh they want to dismantle the Federal Reserve. They stopped giving out coal for Christmas because that is a resource now of course anti communist. And then they they they started the floor right in the water was a mind controlled thing. That was them. They're the one people who started that. And uh, they believed they I shouldn't say they started, but they were pretty strong on like that. The United States was persecuting their religious rights and beliefs and stuff like that. Oh, and they they were people who said were not a democracy, were republic. The Fed needs less power, the States need more power because we're republic a democracy. And they were pretty influential, and they've been very influential to this day. Like I said, a lot of these a lot of these things you've heard and you're like, I've heard this today from a lot of modern political groups. Yes, the John Birch Society grew and grew and grew, and by the mid eighties it reached its peak. And at that time there was nearly one hundred thousand members and they had two hundred forty people on staff, a seven million dollars annual budget. Because what are people giving to, Well, they're giving to this organization to like, yeah, to lobby, and not just lobby, but like campaign. They're the cause of, like helping people know about I don't know this stuff that they thought. I guess we need money to help people know about our show. And it's interesting when you look at it, because these beliefs that these people campaigned for right today have become I don't want to say, like, well, accepted, but like pretty normal. Yeah, there's a lot of people who are like, yeah, this is legit specifically like right wing politics. Sure, but in the sixties when they were founded, specifically right wing politics, thought it was the craziest thing in the world, and they constantly were like campaigning against them and being like the stuff that these people are saying is just ridiculous. Okay, so much so. And I'm gonna be honest, I don't There's a right wing philosopher that was interviewed and in a magazine that I don't. Here, here's something I was interviewed in a magazine that I don't here's an idea. Here's the thing in like the sixties and seventies, stupid. There's an interesting thing I've noticed from doing research for this podcast, Yeah, that for some reason, serious articles existed in Hustler and Playboy. Yes, And I don't understand why. We don't understand why, because the same way of like being like MTV was the cultural definition through the nineties. Because what you know of it now, Yeah, you know, Yeah, Reagan has been buying old Playboy magazines for her bathroom. Yeah, because they weren't like nude on the cover. Yeah. I don't even know if they are nude inside, but they're like, you know, she's got like these they're like sixties magazines and the cool looking cup o their vintage. Yeah, yeah, and so but there was a time where that was just on your coffee table and there's like articles in it. Yes, when you had friends over. That's crazy, and that's when the joke became. I read it for the articles. Yeah, yeah, I have heard that. Yeah, because there were legitimate articles. That's crazy. So there's a right wing philosopher that was interviewed in a Playboy in the sixties, and this is his exact quote. He said, I consider the Birch society futile because they are not for capitalism but merely against communism. I gather they believe that the disastrous state of today's world is caused by a communist conspiracy. This is childlishly naive and superficial. No country can be destroyed by a mere conspiracy. It can be destroyed only by ideas, which seems like an omen for the society because the society. Yeah, well, this is an interesting I was just talking to someone the other day about and this applies to governing, This applies to parenting. This applies to you know, dating or whatever it is. You can't There are people still in our government and in our society and like church leaders even who will launch a church and they'll just be like, we're just not like the other churches. We're doing the opposite of what the other churches are doing. That's not a direction. That's not a you can't just be you can't lead by anti leading. We're going a different way, Okay, which way, not that way, not that way. That's not a leader. That's you just being like I don't like that direction, which is fine. It's important to know which way you don't want to go. But like if it's you know, if it's like, oh, I'm just going to parent different my parents did in what ways? Yeah, there's yeah, you have to choose a direction. It's there's not it's not there's just two directions. You just got sixty degrees and you're ruling out one degree. There's three hundred and fifty nine other ways you can go, and you can, but you're just gonna wander aim everyone pinballing your way through your life. Everyone just one eighties from the degree. And it's like it's like who says that's right. But that's why the I mean so many people that you see is like the influencers, is like the exvangelical stuff is just people who we're super fundamental. Yeah through their college years that we just have now gone like you know, they're also fundamental, but the other fundamental yes, yeah, yeah, they're militant about their new beliefs. Yep. Anyway, I agree in yeah, so did this playboy guy. Sure, I could get a couple articles Christian comedian featured. So they established in the sixties, did not have a good reputation in the sixties. Most of the people involved in it were pretty they were very wealthy. It was founded by a group of twelve very wealthy individuals, and then the majority of the early followers were incredibly wealthy people like very successful oil tycoons, business people, candy tycoons, you know, very successful tycoons of something. Yeah, we need to tycoon it, roller coasters, zoo and so by the seventies, I played school tycoon. I'm serious, did not play school tacoon. It would be kind of cool to be a private school tycoon's. I mean that's what every college institution is is. Oh, it's interesting when you put it that way, we should get into that. I mean, we're essentially doing a school right here. Technically speaking, this is a school typer issue. We should start a school, b we should teach. So in the seventies, they started promoting a drug known as LOT Trial the trial, the trial Trial. Yeah, if that's what you want to go with it, LA trial l A E t r I L E the trial, the trial, the trial. They said it was a cancer cure. Turns out it wasn't, and it actually gave you I'm trying to figure out how to pronounce it. Oh, it turns out its poison and it killed a bunch of people. But they were promoting it, and they even after it was like it came out of it was like, this is actually like very bad for you. It gave people sinaniine poisoning. Oh, and they were like this is cure's cancer. And the doctors were like, no, this gives you siniine poisoning because it's cyanide. And they're like, no, we're pretty sure it cures cancer. For a while after, like it was pretty clear that it's and then it was like, oh, well one of your members makes this stuff that's why you're campaigning for it. So this is the kind of group we're dealing with here, just drop ye yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, they did promote ivermactin and you know the twenty twenties, Oh John Birch Society did. Yeah, they literally did spoiler around LinkedIn. Yeah. And so the end of the Vietnam War comes around and they had a huge drop in membership, partially because the light the Trial thing, partially because of just kind of the change in the Cold War and everything like that, Like there wasn't as much of a communist like alarmist society going on, and a lot of people throughout their history were like, yeah, you guys are crazy, and like a lot of people joined and they didn't realize how crazy they were until they joined, and then they're like, oh, we don't really want to be a part of this, and so it it slipped a lot. And then their founder got shot down by a Soviet jet. Down by a jet is different than yeah he did. This was in the early nineties. Remember it was like a pan Am flight. Oh the plane Yeah, yeah, he was picturing him getting out of a vehicle and that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's pretty aggressive. Remember the commercial airliner that got shot down by the Soviet Yeah, and so he was on that flight and that made a lot of more interest. That kind of pop off for them because they were like, why are they shooting down the founder of this organization was coincidence, but conspiracy theorists didn't think so, and so sure, long story short, the organization continues to this day and a lot of people argue, like scholars are, Russia's favorite way to kill people shoot him down is their planes just crashing, Yeah, because it seems accidental. Yeah, but that time they didn't get the jet away fast enough. Everyone saw the jet do it, and they like, you could You gotta be sneakier about it. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, a lot of scholars have said that this has led to this organization was kind of like the seed that grew into a lot of right wing politics today, and what we see today is kind of the full grown thing that happened in the sixties. Yeah, so this is the John Birch Society. All of that to say, something interesting happened with the John Birch Society in the seventies. There was a couple of members of the society by the name of Floyd Paxton. This is Floyd Paxton. He invented something. I wonder if you could guess what he invented? What he invented? Something that you've used, honestly, probably close to every day of your life. Paxton. Yeah. Is it very rich, very very rich from inventing this thing? What's his name? They have offices globally pretty much every country. What's his name again, Floyd Paxton? Floyd Paxton, Yeah, invented in the seventies. Oh earlier than that, in the fifties. Yeah, probably forties, like that forties invented Bill Paxton, who went on to star in the nineties Twister movie. Watch. I watched every day the scene where they're at the drive in and the Shining is on. I've never watched the Shining, but I get scared from the scenes that are on the drive and Twister, you know what I'm talking about. And when they go to ants his aunt's house after her house is like destroyed by the whatever, and you just hear the wind chimes. Yeah, every time I hear wind chimes, I I'm going to die at a tornado tonight. Yeah. So what did Floyd Paxton invent? You're pretty close. He actually invented the bread clips on the bread packaging. Have you ever opened up bread every day of my life? Have you opened bread recently? Or fruit that has that little clip on it? Fruit? The plastic clip, oh you're saying, like like on a bag. Made him so rich because he's there. His company is the one company globally. There's a couple other small ones, but pretty much the only company that makes those. To this day, they have offices of globally. Dang it, dude, we gotta get rich. We gotta invent something stupid. Yeah, so he invented that, got ridiculously rich. Join this group. Was one of the founding members, was like the third member of this group. What about? What about? Here's my idea. Yeah, shoelaces and they're like squiggly and then you just pull them tide. Crazy idea, crazy idea. It'd be cool if no one else thought of that. Okay, another guy put a wheel in the shoe, like on the front. Can you imagine if they were in the toes, if the wheel was of the toe tozies. Everyone's doing the n runs. Uh careful, second guy, the second guy, it's like an important person here. This guy Nelson b Hunt. This guy looks like and not in like the anti Semitic way, but in the everything else about him way, because I don't think he looks Jewish, but looks like the bank tellers in Harry Potter. Oh yeah he does. Actually that he does level of old without that old goblins yeah stuff. Yeah he does. He does look that old. His gigantic weird smirk. Yea. Yeah, he looks like he does look evil. That's what I'm saying. He looks like a batman villain got old. Yeah, he genuinely does. He genuinely does. This is Nelson behind. Guess what he's rich for? Is it hunts ketchup? No? Oh Nelson behunt? Yeah, Nelson be hunting Actually, you know the hunts ketchup. So when I was growing up, my grandma Have I told you about this? My grandma wouldn't buy Hines ketchup, okay, because John Carrey's wife is the heiress of the Hins stuff, and so she was like, I'm not going to give buying Hines is giving money to the Democrats, And so we had hunts ketchup growing up. Another example of the one eighty yes objectively better ketchups better the Democrats Liberals make good ketchup uh. Nelson behunt. He is rich because his dad was rich. Oh you know what he did? God born. So his dad was an oil baron. He in harided the company and his dad, gosh, we should have rich dads. Why do we think of it? Why don't we think of being an heir? No, so his dad the myth. And I don't think that I wished it. I wish I wished it. I wished it. So I believe in like multiple lives and what like when you die, you start a new one. Yeah, that's for the bit. But at the end of my last life, I said, I hope I come back as an error, as an error. That's what the genie heard. What I'm saying. I said error, er, you were saying error, they thought, and they were like said error yeah, yeah, yeah, my bad, yeah yeah my error and yeah. So then the genie made you a comedian and I'm paying for her since oh my god, his dad his so his dad h l hunt. Yeah, this is his dad. Guy looks rich too. Dad he got into oil and the story most people don't think this is true, but the story that he would tell was that he won a really good game of poker, and then he bought an oil show I'm afraid of one hundred years from now. Yeah, we got people being like his grandpa was a crypto tycoon. You know, like we'll have those people. Maybe probably not, but you know, so here's where the meat of this episode's coming from. Great Nels Nelson be Hunt the Goblin. Hey, if you're enjoying this episode, a great way you can help us out as by sharing it. Send it to your friends. Click that share link, send them the link and say, hey, this is a little show that I watched sometimes that I think you might like to watch sometimes. And your friends will say this is weird, but it's okay. There'll eventually start laughing at it. I think maybe it depends what kind of friends you have. If you have someone, I hope you do, this is a great way to help uh. In the early seventies, he got into silver speculation. He bought and I kid you not a third of the world's silver speculation. This he bought, and this is not an exaggeration, a third of the world's supply of silver to create an artificial supply and demand crisis, and then sold a bunch of silver and maybe what Black is doing with houses exactly. He just had enough money to buy saying more radically, more radical things. It's like, you know, pushed us to the brink. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I just look at the camera. Yeah yeah. And so him and his brothers were involved in this. It wasn't just he wasn't about only one speculative. Yeah, they go, I think that's so, I think speculation. I think that's silver. So they Tim doesn't want to do bits. They bought one hundred million ounces of silver. They made somewhere, and we're not sure exactly somewhere between two and four billion dollars off this scheme. Duelers globally were campaigning against them, saying, these people this is why, so you're like ruining the market. K was running ads, yeah, saying these people are the reason why your silver rings cost so much. Like they were running like attack ads on the Hunt Family Free disc begins with K Jewelers putting out distracks and they ended up they ended up in a big lawsuit in UH in eighty eight and they had to file for Chapter eleven bankruptcy as a result of it. Do the jewelers did. No, No, the brothers. The brothers did because lost all the money because of the lawsuits. They lost so much money in the lawsuits that they had to file for bankruptcy. So they must have lost to do what they did. Yes, yeah, it's illegal to artificially influence the market. Yeah crazy, Yeah, how that's illegal to do? So? Yeah, so that's interesting, jewelers. I have a proposition. So do you want to take on the hedge fund with me? Okay, so let's kiss while all of this. I like the idea of a guy making the deal with corporate bring it in. I like the idea that it's not like they're like, I'm a kisser. It's like they think that's how K works. It's like that's how they don't. It's not an it's like a kiss deal. I'm so glad that we've come together. So I guess I guess you guys we agree, Like, all right, I'll see you guys next Wednesday. Glad we got the deal done. Sir? What are you doing, sir? Sir? Slightly open? I told you guys kissed a lot. I'm sorry I misunderstood. I didn't. You're you should talk to your branding in the parking stupid, stupid. They don't kiss each other in the office with the zeo kiss each other? You kiss what they don't GISs? Of course you don't kiss. Sugar gets home to his parents. How still is at home obviously, so apparently they don't kiss. Thanks Dad, all those lessons, mom, Dad, I think we got scammed that business school you sent to. Maybe we should sue him. Alf the courses were about kissing. That's a weird noise to making this bit. Okay. So he's doing this silver trading thing and you know, getting in trouble for it. While he's doing this, he gets contacted by the the President of the Philippines type that the it's like you can't hear anything over your typing. He was the President of the Philippines. I couldn't remember his first name, Ferddan E. Marcos. So he was a big president. A lot of people didn't like him. He got ousted and sent to Hawaii. Ironically, his son, no, his son now is the President of the Philippines. Bogbong that's his name. Bogbong Marcos is the President of the Philippines. And then Ferdinand was a president at the time, Ferdinand sends a letter to Nelson Hunt and he says, Hey, proposition for you. He says, have you heard of Yamashita's gold? Have you heard of Yamashida's gold? No, should we go a step deeper. Yamashidah's Gold was a allegedly, allegedly a stash of gold somewhere in the Philippines from a Japanese general named Yamashida Okay during World War two. While they were doing what Japan was doing in World War two, which was taking every country nearby. They were like, there's a big war going on, We're gonna invade everything close to us and take it. And so they were doing that. They amassed a massive fortune of just goods that they stole from everywhere they went. Sure, some reason, as the story goes, they couldn't get the gold back to mainland Japan. I don't know why, but they couldn't get it back to mainland Japan. So they hit it in caves in the Philippines. Sure, allegedly there was somewhere north of two hundred billion dollars worth of gold and a cave in the Philippines, and that was Yamashida's gold. Okay. No one knew where it was though, because when they were storing this, they were Yamashita and the other members of like the Japanese elite were so like careful with it. They didn't want this to get lost because they knew it was worth a lot that they would. They brought in a bunch of Japanese engineers and soldiers to transport it, and after they finished transporting it and getting it into its secure location, they killed them all so that way no one would have all the soldiers. Yeah, they said, no one's going to know where this is except for us, and they killed everyone who moved it there. You gotta have some foresight on that, you know, if you're the one helping hide all the gold, you gotta be like, I don't think they're gonna I don't know if they're gonna let me remember this. Yeah, yeah, so that's Yamashita's gold. Okay. Nelson be Hunt gets a letter in the mail and it says confidential Nelson's eyes only. He said, should have put a last name. I don't know if I'm the Nelson who's to look at that? And it's opened and retaped shut so someone else looked at this. I mean, if I'm the mailman, let's be real, who knows to be a man? Yeah? I know, yeah, every every time I go through my neighborhood, I'm opening up mailboxes looking through strue. But if you see me outside your mailbox, no you didn't, my mail just anybody's. So he gets this letter and uh, Ferdinand Marcos is like, hey, just so you know, I found the treasure. And he's like, he's like, but here's the problem. I've been trying to sell it. No one will buy it because it's close enough to the war that everyone knows this is stolen goods, and so everyone's afraid that it's going to get traced back and they're going to go to prison for having it. So I can't sell this stuff. I can't get any money off of it. And he says, I heard that you had this new technique. Because he works in oil and like ground stuff ground, He's like, I heard you have this new technique to melt down gold that's like untraceable, and I will give you fourteen million dollars of it. He says, all you for helping me. The President of the Philippines, signed Ferdinand Marcos misspelled yeahm also also ps send this to five of your friends, or you will be haunted for forever. An eternity is. So he gets this letter and he looks at it and he's like, he's like, this is interesting. He doesn't say, whatever you said fourteen million. He says, I'll give you two billion dollars if you can help me melt this down. This is the original prince of the Philippines. Yes, kinda. So he sees this and he's like, this is very interesting, and he's like, Okay, he's all I need to do is I need to get the gold to my smelting plant, which I think is in like northern Idaho. And he's like, he's like, all, that's all I need to do. And he's like, but that's going to be a tough thing. And so uh, he arranges this plan where Ferdinand would get shipped to a Now, let's try not to make fun of the way I say this. Okay, Jared, Uh, he's gonna he's gonna ship the gold into a bank, and NASA Bahamas say that right, uh, And then they were going to have the bank transport it from that bank. It was the Bank of Canada and NASA Bahamas to their branch in Canada just north of the border of Idaho, and then he was going to personally smuggle it across the border to his smelting plank. That was the plan. He said, this sounds great, but I remember, take a look at him. Died and not the smuggling type. Oh, you're gonna be like, but I died before this plan could take place. He's like, but I'm unfortunately not the smuggling type. So he's like, he's like, I needed smuggling. I need someone who's good at smuggling, okay, And so luckily he knows a guy, Floyd Paxton, who he's like, this guy is good at smuggling stuff. Why I don't know. Maybe because he's like he's like, he can put stuff in bags and they won't spill because he's got the clips. He's got really good clips. I don't know. I don't know why he has elected him, but he contacted him and he's like, hey, are you interested. I'll give you one hundred million dollars of my two billion. Then I'm gonna make out of this, okay. So these two, these two men, they put together a plot to smuggle in Muchita's gold, so they can melt it down and then sell it, give it back to the President of the Philippines and become a billion and millionaire billion Uh. They start be come to rich guys too, rich guys that are already very rich guys. They're both already very rich guys. They're going to become very richer guys thanks to this plot. So they start That's how being rich works. It's very hard to mess up being rich. Yeah, it's incredible that some people do it. I mean, they filed chapter eleven and they're still rich. They're still super That's what I'm saying. It's very hard to mess up being a rich person. Yeah. Anyways, Uh so they started working on this plan, putting it together, putting the pieces of a in motion. Things are rolling, and then Floyd Paxton has a sudden heart attack and dies. Wow, and you know why, I knew that. I'm from the US twenty thirty seven. And so after Floyd Paxson dies, Nelson contacts the President and it's like, hey, there's been a change of plans. My smuggler died. I'm gonna have to find a new one. And for some reason, Ferdinand Market is like deals off I don't know why, but cuts the deal. It's like, You're not a part of this anymore. I'm not going to have you be involved. Sure, and then he gets austed from government. Years later and there I don't know, mid two thousands, Bombong gets elected president and Bombong says, I know where the treasure is still and so allegedly Bombong can still pursue it and still finish it. Who is Bongbong going to use to finish this? We don't know. There has been no record, there's no there's no I'm not making any allusions to who we think might do that. Anyways. It might be someone who's a part of the might be so John Birch, who's willing to throw forty four billion dollars around anyways. In a completely unrelated note, Nelson b Hunt his brother, the brother that he did the Silver scheme with, that they whatever. You want to know who that is? Yeah? Is it Lamar Hunt? It's Lamar Hunt? Is it for real? His brother was Lamar Hunt. They did the Silver scheme together. Lamar wasn't a part of this gold scheme, but they did the Silver scheme together. If you don't know who Lamar Hunt is, that's the owner, old owner of the Chiefs, his son Clark Hunt now as the team founded the Yeah, yeah, big deal for the NFL. And uh sketchy ties man, always sketchy ties. Yeah, always sketchy ties. Anyways, that's the story of how the John Birch Society was founded and led to a potentially gigantic gold scheme, like the biggest treasure scheme of all time could still take place, could still potentially maybe all lies on Lamar Hunt. Yeah, son, I mean, if the chief Stadium gets built without the tax thing, then there's some questions. We got to call Bombong. Have you seen his apartment in the stadium. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean it was kind of God. It's dated, it's very it's pretty gaudy. But it's pretty sick to have that big in the stadium. It's pretty sick. I wish I could do that. I should have been born to a rich day Bias boxes one day, should have been a rich dude's grandson, should have been a lucky poker player's grandson. If only a fall not too late to investigate. Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you liked it, we have a past episode about l Ron Hubbard, the guy you know the start Scientology. It's a fun episode, it's a wild story, a crazy person. So if you like this episode, I'm sure you'll like that episode. You go to check that out and if you want to see next week's episode. A great way you can do that is by becoming a patron. 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The John Birch Society was a controversial right-wing political group founded in 1958 by wealthy businessman Robert Welch. Named after John Birch, an American missionary and military intelligence officer killed by Chinese communists in 1945, the group was staunchly anti-communist and promoted limited government and states’ rights. Legacy of the John Birch Society At its peak in the 1960s, the … Read More

Did A Time Traveler Really Tell The Future on an Early 2000s Forum?

06-25-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to this episode. This week, we're talking about John Teeter, a man who was on a forum in the early two thousands claiming to be a time traveler, had a bunch of evidence and all this stuff, and so we learned about all the things he did in his time travel. We talked about the theory of time travel a little bit. And this is a comedy podcast where we're here to kind of joke around and laugh and then also just learn useless information. So welcome to things I learned last night. If you've not seen us before, I'm sure this will be your last time. Thanks for hanging out. If you have seen us before and you like it, share it with somebody, tell us somebody about our show. It really helps us a lot. So let's get into this episode. Hey man, what's going on? Have you ever heard of John Teeter? John Teter t tour Teeter Teeter t spelled Teter Teeter totter t I t o r t I t o R. I'm a t I t o r John Teeter. How far down the web page is it? Because this whole time you're talking, you're just heard John Teeter. It's a it's a nervous thing, a never ending Google pagon. It's never ending Google. Yeah, I'm just I've tried to see all the options. Okay, it was John Teeter, John Teeter. Okay, hold on, this is important before we get into this. On the way in today, I passed a car at all. I can't tell you how much I don't want to hear this story. Okay, So on the way in to day, I passed a car that had a sticker that I'm pretty sure is a one of one. Like I'm pretty sure they made it on their cricket and stuck it down their car. And this guy, this guy was like, I mean, he was a soccer dad by all intents and purposes, not a minivan. It was like a not a soccer dad. Well, I mean that kid, that kid's a sport thing. But he was like a team sport. He was wearing like I didn't couldn't see his legs because it's car, but I because of car, I bet he was wearing like plaid slacks and like a polo his legs because of car, but were plaids slacks I don't know, but I'm sure plaid slacks. And then he had a polo on and like like a cassio like like I wore, but like with the calculator on it, I couldn't see his wrist that well, but I'm assumed. But anyways, and glasses, big glass like the big glasses, like the trendy pastor glasses. And then single sticker. This is like an old suv, like a nineties suv. It's an old suv. Single sticker, bottom left corner of the car. The Gatorade logo and black Gatoraide logo and black and then over the logo the lightning bowl. Yeah, the lightning bolt. And then over the logo was the text that just said Gatorade should be thicker. It's not this funny. It's not, I mean, and it's kind of when you think you never thought about that. So you saw that sticker and now you're kind of like, damn, it should be. It is pretty thin. You wanted to come with one of those thick milkshake straws, you know, That's what I think. After a good game, I want to crack open a cold Gatorade. I'm just freaking and get maybe an ounce out of there because so thick. I think You're done with this, don't grab it don't grab it like it's things should be thicker. I think you should not. Crazy one, holy cow. All right, here we go. Let's talk about John Teters. It's got to be an inside joke from something. I'm sure there's a podcast out there that has a bit that's like gatorade should be thick? Yeah? Probably, I mean it did? It looked homemade. It looked like a homemade sticker. It didn't look like that. It was like a job shipping company made No. No, our stickers look like they came from a job shipping company. Oh you're saying it was cut out? Yeah, yeah, it came from a cricket. I'm pretty sade should be thicker. Well, that's a movement that I could get behind all these lids trying to thin up our gatorade? Quench your thirst? How much supposed to get quenched with such a food and drink? I love it so much? Okay, John Teeter, this is a guy, all right. The first time I saw a bodybuilder too, I called the police. I said, here is very shot man. It's dangerous. How good this guy looks. That's what I want to say about it was supposed to send this episode of five people the hat Ma things I learned last night. John Teeter is a guy that got famous in the two thousand and two thousand and one on the internet forums. Okay, specifically on the on Art Bell's post to post blog or forum. You know that Art Bell had a radio and AM radio station called Coast to Coast Radio. Yeah, and he had a blot or a forum called Post to Post, very clever, Post to Coast Post, Post to Post respect out it don't respect his his radio show though. His radio show is the hot garbage. And most of the stuff on the forums conspiracy. Yeah, it's conspiracy theory stuff. And uh, he's on AM radio. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Have you ever listened to AM radio? Why is it? Alic? Can you explain this to me real quick? Yeah? Why is it like that? The government the rothschilds. That's exactly what it's like, Alex, Can you explain why it does that? It's a really long explain. We got good. This is a podcast that's kind of the thing. I mean, it's all about how they're amplified. So so, yeah, is it? Well? Wavelength? I loved the pause when he considered it. When Alex was like, I mean it's kind of I'm sorry to do that. Give me, give me the like two sentence like Sparkann's version, I won't say anything. You're good. Yeah, I don't trust it. Okay, I really need to know. I really want to know what is it. I'll drink water so that you can talk. And it's just basically related. You spread that water on me. You spent that water on me. Okay, quick bole, he's coughing. Yeah. AM radio is built on a lower frequency band than FM radio, Okay, and it just has a smaller bandwidth that you're able to send audio in, so it kind of is wavelengths. Yeah, okay. Interesting. I mean you had to have known as soon as I sipped the water that I was gonna do that. Yeah, but I expect you to do it on the floor like I do. No. Would you know what would happen if I spit on you like that? I'll be mad. I'd be really mad. That's a good I don't believe in germs. Okay, So John Teeter showed up on the blogs. Are on the forums? Do you need to take a breather? Oh? I just I think it went on my lungs. Okay, that's good. For you. Is it on your computer? Probably, that's fine. I can't read so John Teeter he he showed up on the post to post forums. Okay, there's no easy way to say this. I'll rip it off like a band aid. Does he say he's like a government official? Close? Okay. He says he is a from the future. He's from the year twenty thirty six, and he's here on a specific mission for the the I don't feel like twenty thirty six is far enough. The seventeen or one hundred and seventy seventh Time Travel Division of the US government that says, tempest tempest eatax rerum, it's supposed to be rerun. They it's a typo. No, it's it basically means time devours all. Okay, yep, so that's cool. That's actually kind of freaking hardy sick. But yeah, so he was, Well, I'm saying twenty thirty six doesn't feel far enough in the future for you to be like, I'm from the future. That's like I came back thirty three years. Well, he went back farther. He made a pit stop in the two thousands, and I'll explain the story of why he did well let's see that. Let's just explain the story of his life. So John Teeter, according to we have hundreds of posts that he made in this forum that was kind of over two thousand and two thousand and one, and so through those two years he was on a mission. And what he did in his in his leisure time was he went on the post to post forums and posted about the future and talked tos. Yeah, that was his time traveling. Yeah, that was when yeah, yeah, exactly. And so he told us. What I'm saying is so many of these things, like you're on a forum, right, and someone's like, eh, no, one just goes yeah, I don't think this is what he would do. Yeah, he wouldn't come to this obscure forum. Well, there is an explanation for why that we will get into. So well, there had to be someone someone was like, why are you here? Yeah, So he was born in the nineties, John Teeter, he's he's one of us, a millennial, just like us. And in two thousand he's he time travels back. So he's from twenty thirty six. Oh, he's claiming he's born in the night. Yeah. So this is his story. We're going to follow his story based on the story we got from a series of posts. We'll put it together into a unified story, sure, and then we'll we'll uh, you know, talk about it. Well, you was he born one of us, Okay, he's a millennial. He was born in the early nineties. And then in y two k happens. That was a big deal, and it led to a bunch of issues in the world. And he claimed that there was Waco type events happening every weekend, and that kind of spiraled into this Civil War in the United States where the United States government became what everyone's afraid the tyrannical topped out. Yeah, you know, sure, So this war erupted. And when he was a child, it's like two thousand and four. So he's like, I don't know, eight nine, ten, something like that. The army came through his neighborhood. I was like knocking on everybody's doors and like taking people away. And so him and his family they grabbed their go bags and they go. They left. They left, and they went to Florida because that was one of the safe havens for the people, was Florida, and they became sure, they joined a farming community started farming, farming in Florida. Yeah, Florida farm. And he spent his youth in Florida during the Civil War farming and like kind of learning. Great, you know, this typical upbringing. Sure, And and then in twenty fifteen, Russia they said, hey, the United States is weak. Now now's their chance, and so they nuked the most likely of target, Jackson, Mississippi. Yeah. Well, because in this timeline, Bruno Mars still exists in the way that he does, right, Yeah, yeah, his song it's like Jackson. So you're saying that that was he was a Soviet spy and that was a target list that he was that that's exactly what. Yeah. No, I'm glad you're right into that. A lot of people aren't smart enough, but you're a smart boy. And then and then of course then they started nuke and stuff that made a little bit more sense, like New York, DCLA, all the stuff that like people sometimes because I live there, Yeah, sometimes when I'm just like on my back porch or like making some food in the kitchen, I go these can remember the last few seconds alive. You know, Los Angeles is a pretty unlikely nuclear target, is it more? Where our nukes are. Yeah, they so most most like professional defense people will agree that what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is not likely to happen again because that was a war crime, right, and the I don't remember what generals. I don't know which general it was. It might have been LeMay, It might have been Curtis LeMay. But one of them told uh other officials in the military. He was like, he's like, there's a really active military based military targets. There weren't, and there wasn't. So it was like it was based on a lie. And whether that was he was accurate or it was like false information he got is that's why they hit population centers. Most most documentary that the idea, Yeah, that the idea is not to hit population centers, is to hit the nuclear targets and to disable nuclear armaments, not to destroy everyone. That is, assuming that the person pulling the trigger is not a psychopath though. Yeah, but that's the thing, is that anybody who's willing to pull the nuclear trigger is a psychopath. Yeah, so yeah, there's there is a potential of that, I guess, yeah, but it's historically the higher likelihood is like Montana is getting nuked than La. That's why I don't want to live there. Why do you want to live in La? Least likelihood of getting hit by a nuke? Yeah, Montana is a higher nuclear threat, higher higher risk of my car getting broken into. But those are the sacrifices I make. I think they did say that Kansas City is like fifth or sixth on the list because of the stealth bombers. Really m hmm, Yeah, there's there's like a list of like here's what they would hit first and the like witch missiles in the where a black white men, what air first place is white men? Yeah, whitmen. Yeah. Yeah, that's where we housed our stealth bombers, and so Kansas City would be an early target. That's what I want you to think. I'm pretty close. Honestly, I might evaporate. I mean I could potentially be in the evaporation range, which that's what I think where cooking it could be it. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be in the non evaporation because like there's no because in like the movies, like people are like, oh, we see him coming, now you don't you don't? Yeah, yeah, yeah it happens. You have no idea. Yeah, that's what the story of the guy who survived both of them. Yeah. Yeah, it was just all of a sudden, he's flipping through the air. Anyways, So now that we have that fun discussion, so the nukes hit and in the story, what happens is the Russia will It's like, hey, you guys are weak, get them all your week. We're gonna hit you with a bunch of nukes. Yeah, Jackson, Mississippi. Yeah, Kansas City's on the list. And so then of course the United States retaliates. It's like a tour. It's like a they have a tour poster. It's like it's like, here's the cities we're coming to. Can we make a shirt? No, no, we can't. Nuclear Winter nineteen sixty eight, like y, it's like the top targets. Nuclear Winter Tour nineteen sixty eight featuring Soviet Russia holds the war criminals accountable if you in, yeah, but the you in it's everybody else who survived the war. It's all the other countries that it's all the countries that won. They go and they try the war criminals, but we're we're the bad guys. Yeah, so we have to lose a war, yeah, okay, and then they'll and then they try you yeah yeah, it's yeah. You lose a war, you go to jail. It's kind of the way war works. Anyways. All of us are just well the general the people at the top go to jail. Everybody else gets assimilated into society, their society, and whatever that society looks like. You might be a who knows, you might be working on their labor camps. If they're a labor camp society. They're not a labor camp society, then you might be working at their burger king. Who knows. You just get assimilated to whatever assimilate means in that Okay. Anyways, back to John Teeter. John Teeter, the war breaks out right, the United super response they send the nukes to and then every other country in the world that has nukes is like, oh, we want to do this too, and so they start nuke also. Yeah, and just all of a sudden, for like forty eight hours, just the world just gets erupted to this nuclear catastrophe. Okay, he survives, uh yeah, three hundred million people die, He's not one of them, which I feel like for an all out nuclear war, is a pretty low number. Yeah, you would think they're potentially Yeah, yeah, you would think it'd be higher. If it's like the whole world is getting in on it, it would definitely like yeah, we're we're all throwing our absolutely, But he did say three hundred died documentary say, if the nuclear war broke out, I don't remember what number was. It was hot, it was like, I mean, it would be three hundred million who got struck immediately. I mean that that's what he's saying. Three hundred million people died overnight, and then you would have all the people who would die like as a result, it would be like literally half the population of the radiation and then starvation after and then yeah, and then people killing each other because there's a lack of resources. Yeah, it's anyways, So there will still be podcasting, just so you know, if a nuclear war breaks out and like we go to like a fallout type world, we're still going to be on the surface just doing this. Yeah, but and you'll have to come live, like we won't be able to there will be no internet. Well, there'll be a radio. It's a different wavelength, that's have you ever heard of John Peter, Oh, yeah, yesterday and also when I was a child. Before we get too far into this, I want to tell you about this degress, just saying about how thin gatorade is. I wish it was thick, like my catorade, Like I like my milkshakes. I like them thick. It's like it's like we have like this is a new It's like, yeah, it's a tim we have. We have a tim. We have space t a visit from space ten in a long time. This kid's partially full, so it doesn't look as well. But I I see from it looks like you guys are in a nuclear winter. Yeah. So anyway, this episode is brought to you by Burt H. That's Burner h E l p o dot UK. Nuclear Winner. Got you feeling down? Absurd? Got nuclear season depression. Look a lot of us feel sad lately because the world's gone. So the nuclear winter happens, right, did you watch your wife evaporate in front of your eyes? Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, a great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes, a week early, they get a discord with our host and producers. We do monthly hangouts. We do there's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perse But more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're gonna keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it to us and so like, we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. The Nuclear Winner happens, but CERN is still serning of course, sure, and they happen in twenty twelve. Right before the Nuclear Winner, they had they did the Mantela effect thing. Have you heard that theory? Oh so in twenty twelve, the CERN turned on their laboratory and they successfully like basically made their mini Big Bang. They're like, we figured out how it happened. We can do it and okay, there's been conspiracy theories ever since that they oh that they broke that we're in a different time, we're in a different Yeah, we're in an alternate universe because of what they did, right, and that's why there's Mendela effects. Okay, because we're now in a different universe where everything's slightly different. Yeah, and so that's the that's the story CERN started setting and they figured out through that research the Mendela fucting happened, and then they were like, oh, hey, I think we figured out time, and so that led to a lot of research. Nuclear war happens. They continue that research, and then in twenty thirty something, early twenty thirties, get this Ge. General Electric takes that research and invents the world's first time machine. Okay, and GE says, this is useful. You just got to get in, reach out, hit spin cycle, hit thirty five minutes, and then close the door. Yeah, and then you can move through time. Your motion's sick, careful, And so the way this works is essentially the time machine is this little black box, unmarked, very inconspicuous. Well, no, I was going to say more like urban chic, like like MacBook. You know, like just unmarked like very And the way it works is you set your your dates. You have to set your coordinates too, because you have to account for orbit and where you're going to move in space, space and time. Yeah, you have to calculate both of those things. And then the two ends of the boxes create small black holes and then they suck you through time, those black holes and space to the location. Yeah, and then it brings you back to the spot where you need to be. Typically, what people will do when they chility time is they will acquire a vehicle from that time frame so that way they look like they fit in that time. So if you're going to the nineties, you would get like a ninety one hot Odyssey because you're like, I want to look like I belong and you sit it in your Honda and then you push it and it suck you in your Honda too. Oh you take your car with you? Yeah, maybe take belongings. Yeah, you can take whatever. Like there's like a field that it creates, and so it brings everything within that field with you. And so you got to be kind of aware of your surroundings. Like if you're if the coyote walks by you which, by the way, I saw coyote at the airport where you're like pulling in the airport. I saw now in the airport, lock waves and coyotes. I was like, oh, hey, everyone's been talking about emotion in l a coyote and uh, Carol, Carol, he'll bite you. He's just super protective of my emotions. I'm pretty sure he's got rabies. Oh I'm not pretty sure. I'm I'm made sure. I'm just welcome to the VET. Why are you here today? I gave my coyote rabies? No, no, no, no, oh. I was wondering if you have. I just want to know if this coyote has any rabies. And they test them and it's no, and you're like, okay, right in front of the vat is that a crime to give an animal intentionally give an animal rabies? Yeah, but if it's your pet out statute implementations. So what do you mean you saw? Why Why did you say I saw a coyote at the airport in l in l A. Yeah, yeah, that makes yeah, yeah, they've got them. Yeah. It was. It was interesting because because there was obviously there's two of them running around our drive right there, there's coyotes out here, and there's coyotes back home in Denver, there are way more coyotes. It was it was weird seeing it. I think it was weird because it was also six am and so there's nobody out yet. But it was also weird because it's like the Bourbank Airport is like a densely populated area. It's weird to see them and that they're in context. Yeah, like the whole thing. It's very odd. And people in the next door app will talk about them as if they are gang members, and they'll be like, I just saw some coyotes. You know, everyone locked your doors. I just love some coyotes checking door it off, That's what I'm saying. I saw pulling doormatoes and cars and something like. They're crazy. We didn't do it go around at the when I was doing my pallet size and stuff because we were getting ready to land here in Kansas City and there was a coyote chilling in the middle of the runway, deer in the headlights. Look, you know, that's what I was like, all right, we'll go on. I guess we'll try it again. You know that's crazy. Yeah, normally out here and even in Indiana Jones that coyote, you know what I'm saying, normally out here and endever you see him in like green spaces, like on the edges of town. Well there's the city green space. Yeah, I guess that's true. Well there's green space. There's just no like you know, edge of town. Yeah, Like the homes go into the mountains and all of a sudden you're like, oh we're in the wilders now, yeah, yeh yeah. Yeah. Anyways, and there's a lot of try to eat, yeah, let's try yeah, and a lot of a lot of people's pets get hit by cars. Yeah. They and the coyotes are like thank you. Yeah, yeah they probably they are probably living as far as like coyotes are concerned, like the best life any coyotes ever lived. I've made sure they are. Like they're like catching coyotes and giving them like Gucci sweaters. So do you how many syringes of rabies do you have? Okay, the coyote population and outside in the Denver area was really really high. So are coyotes Like they didn't have there was a supplying demand issue there. They didn't have enough to eat. Oh yeah, so they were starved. They were tiny, like very thin and like scrawny that it was an actual issue. I talked about it around. Well, yeah, out here, there's not very many coyotes, said. The first time I saw one out here, I called animal control and I said, there is a giant kyote. It is I think, I literally said. I was like, this coyote is jacked. You need to get somebody out here like this. And they were like freaking swall sure cut yeah, because I've never seen a coyote that healthy before. The first time I saw a bodybuilder too, I called the police. I said, here, he is very shacked. Man, it's dangerous. How good this guy looks? Okay, that's what I want people to say about me, Alex's write that down. I just I can feel it. I want people to say it about me, so bad, sood that guy looks? Oh enough about You're out of context, by the way. I know, it's dangerous. How good looking that guy is? So so johny Okay, Actually give a couple of coyotes back, and that's what I'm saying. How big is the field? I don't know how big the field? Yeah, I don't know if we have that information, but it creates a field large enough to bring nineteen ninety one hot honestly sure back in time. So he enlists in the military to join their time travel division, and he's like, he's like, I want to help, and I don't really know what's going on in the world at this time, because like there was a civil war, but then there was a nuclear war, right, and so I don't know if like things changed after that or if they're still just disjointed but also leveled. Yeah, and at this point, the nuclear war was twenty one years ago, so it's like there's probably like a rebuild society that's like starting to form. Like it's like, I don't know, I mean maybe it's like a fallout world. I don't know, Like I don't know what the situation is, right, But the government still exists, and he joins the military. General Electric still exists, uh, and he starts training for time travel. Okay, and in time travel, he said, the majority of time travel training, like you learn how the box works, you learn how all this stuff happens and stuff like that, and you learn about like how to do missions and things like that, But the biggest thing that they teach you is how to meet yourself because I think it's like psychologically like a tough thing to do. Yeah, and especially because you're do you have to talk to your not always, but you can, okay. Uh. And he explains it. He said, it's it's a very odd experience because when you're time traveling, like you're, you can't you can't time travel in your timeline. It's not possible to time travel in your timeline. So every time you're time traveling, you're you're going to a different alternate universe and time traveling within that timeline. And so you that's how you meet yourself because you're not technically meeting yourself, you're meeting alternate reality you and when you're time traveling, and so when you're meeting alternate reality, it's all say, whatever you're meeting. When you're meeting alternate reality you, it's slightly different than you, but it's like still you like it's like you can see in one reality. You really let yourself go. Yeah, you're like, oh, you're slightly your voice is like half an octave higher, and you're like, anyway, I'm like, why are you talking like that? Why are you talking like that? What? I like that? Okay, its like a jarring experience to meet yourself in the alternate reality because there's something different about it, it's slightly different, and it's also just like psychologically hard to talk to yourself when it's actually like not talking to yourself, you know what I'm saying. Maybe, but also like does it is there guaranteed there's a difference with you, Like you're the difference in that universe. That's pretty self centered. Yeah, because you're from a different universe. It's not self centered, it's it's you are the main character in the story at that point because you came from a different universe into the universe you don't belong in, right, right, So it's not saying that, like you know, if you meet yourself, why would ether you have anything different about them? The different timelines doesn't necessarily mean every there's there's small details of every single person and every little thing that's it literally could just be like coyotes can talk in that one. I mean, I guess, I guess sure theoretically not even like you go, you go what I'm saying, because like if you go to a different timeline, Yeah, the only thing that makes it like this is a different timeline is there is one small thing that is different. Yeah, and that could be. I mean, I guess it's possible. Technically speaking, you're rolling the dice on everything that exists, exactly more likely than not, the majority of things are slightly different. There is a chance you land in a universe where the majority of things are similar and there's like one or two things that are the same universe. You're married to a different person. Yeah, that would be charring. They had to train for that. Okay. Anyways, so he does this training and then he gets his assignment, and so the assignment interesting assignment. Sure, so go to two thousand in two thousand and one, well close ish, maybe I don't know. So here's the thing. He gets sent back in time because he needed to go to meet his grandfather in the eighties and the point of this mission. Oh no, he was sent back to nineteen seventy five and he was supposed to get an IBM fifty one hundred computer. Have you seen these? No? Oops, IBM fifty one hundred, yes, basically one of the first personal computers. If you don't know what they look like. Picture of box that someone that a kid made look like a computer. It's it's got a giant, really fat keyboard, a disc tray that's not a disc tray, it's probably a floppy disc tray. And then a screen that is just like unusably small. Yeah, just calculators so impractically like why is this here small? And then some random switches. This computer. He was sent to go get this computer because there was they were facing the Eunix year twenty thirty eight problem. Have you heard of this? You facing the Unix year twenty thirty eight problem. You've heard of that, right? You know what I'm talking about. It's facing the Monks of Santa Barbara's twenty seventy five problem. You know I'm talking about. So the Unix twenty thirty thirty eight problem is a problem. So there is y two K. You remember why two k? Right? Y two k? If you don't know what that was? For some reason, was when computers measured everything from the two digit number system. So ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand was a problem because then it was going to flip to double zeros. Everyone thought the computers were not going to know what to do with that. They were going to freak out. It's going to mess up with our data and everything was going to come crashing down. We were going to fall back into the Bronze age was what everyone was afraid of. Yeah, computers were absolutely fine with it. They were like, hey, we're smarter than you, idiots, That's what they said. Yeah, thing happened. But in his world, in his timeline, something did happen. It was a problem in his timeline, and so in his timeline they were That was the one difference. That was the one difference that also he is also the nuclear war and everything else came for a civil war waterfly effect. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. Also, he has red hairs, she said, sucking in there. There is a similar problem coming up in a few years called the year twenty thirty eight problem. This is a thing that exists. This is a real thing, Okay. And so in nineteen seventy four, I think nineteen seventy, they invented Unix time. I shouldn't say they created Unix time. And Unix time was essentially we're going to count time from this point whatever, nineteen seventy something January nineteen seventy in milliseconds. And that was obviously going to be a lot of milliseconds. And that's they said, this is how computers will know what time it is. Look at this, they'll say the number is three hundred million, as like, okay, so it's two thousand and one, like whatever, whatever year that would be. Sure it would convert that. Well, they're a and I can't remember what level processing system, but let's say thirty two bit for big sure for conversation. Thirty two bit processing system can only process so many integers in a number, and once you hit I think it's six billion or sixty billions something like that, it can't process even one more digit, and so that would break your timecode. So essentially the same problem in January twenty thirty eight. There's no possible more time, like a computer can't add any more time to this system. And so what they needed is they needed to upgrade all the systems. But the problem was humanity is just like humanity has always been, and they just never upgraded them. Sure, and that now the problems like becoming like a hey, we've only got a couple months to figure this out. Okay. Luckily, this computer manufactured by IBM in nineteen seventy five had a special debugging software that most computers aren't manufactured with that can debug this system and change it, and so they needed to change it. The problem was all of them were destroyed in the nuclear war. Luckily, they have time travels, so they can go like time travel back in time to go get one of these, okay, to fix the problem, to use the DBUG software fix the problem, then the save the world. Okay, so he can sit back to nineteen seventy five to get one of these because he's the one who's selected because his dad or his grandpa, his grandpa bought one at release and so he so they were like, hey, we know your grandpa bought one of these. We actually have those kind of records. Those records survived the nuclear war. Was a receipt for a purchase in nineteen seventy four that we know your granddad, Grandpappy in Jackson, Mississippi. He went by corn Pop and he had an IBM computer. Yes, yeah, and we want you to go. We want you to go get it from him. We want you to go steal a man that you won't recognize because you have red hair. And when you show, you're gonna show up. He's forty six, your forty six, it's not like you're my grandpa. He'll shoot you on the spot again. Mississippis bas Mississippi and good luck, good luck. Hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Thanks A Last Night. If you want to help us grow our show, the easiest way to do that is to share it. Send this link to somebody, be like, hey, this is a fun podcast I listened to. I would love it if you would listen to it with me, because that's probably how you found the show. Someone you know shared it with you and you were like, this is pretty good, and so it helps us a lot, and it makes it so that we can keep doing this and make episodes until one of us DIESIM, but please share it and I will still be here after he's long gone. So he goes back in time. He meets his grandpa. He does like a meet cute with him at an Applebee's. He's like reaching for a napkin. He's like sorry, He's like, excuse me. We look a lot alike, don't we. Man, If I had red hair, I would think I was you. I have your eyes. I literally, yeah, literally, I saved him. If you die, we cut out your eyes and we cremated the recipe, but we've got your eyes on a jar. You watch over him, it's like, look, it's your eyes. Some stranger with red hair comes up to you and says, I cut your eyes in a jar for the future. Okay, just do the episode. So he meets him, and he meets him out in public, builds a relationship, builds some trust with him, Yeah, gets him to invite him over to his house, and then like, does like the big reveal, tells him reveal. Yeah, he does the big reveal. Oh, I would just tell his house. Yeah, So he does the big computer. They're kind of hard to take. He does the big reveal. He tells him what's up, and he's like, so, Grandpa, I need your IBM And Grandpa says, what pry it from my cold dead hands. Grandpa says, hold on. So you're telling me you're from the future. You're from the future, and when you leave, you're gonna go back to your timeline. But we're in different timelines. He said, yes. He's like, don't you know what happens in two thousand? Well, he says, he says, because you are in this timeline, your actions influence our timeline though, correct, he said, yes, but like our rules were supposed to be very we're very strict on what we're allowed to do and influence, like we're not supposed to influence a new timeline. And he says, but would it be possible that if you had interactions with specific people then you could change the events in this timeline And he says, I suppose yes, that is possible for me to do. And he says, okay, I'll make you a deal. He says, grandson, Graham, baby John. He says, if you go to the future, when you go back to the future, if you make a pit stop in the year two thousand, meet yourself, meet your father. And he's like, He's like, just and interact with them. He said, see them, and please talk to them and do whatever you need to do to change reality so that way our timeline doesn't have to face the civil war and the nuclear war and the terrible things that happened in your timeline. And he says, I'll visit them. And he says, but I can't promise that I'm going to do anything, like it's a very It's so he told his grandpa about the new clear Wars all that. Yeah, he told him everything he told the whole story, and he's like, I want to make sure that you don't have to suffer that. You know, we could make some changes now. No, but he says, he says, he says, if you go two thousand two k, you can influence that. And he says, I'm not going to influence anything, but I'll go visit them and I can warn them or whatever. Yeah, And so he goes to the year two thousand, makes the pit stop on the way back. He's got the computer with him, makes the pit stop on the way back, and when he gets there, he meets his dad and he meets himself as a child, and he said, your hair is not red. And they he builds a relationship with them and he realizes he's like, he's like, man, I do have to kill them in my timeline to be dominant and for me to have become a time traveler, I have to let them die. Yeah, And so he says, he says, I want I need to prevent the calamity, the coming calamity. Oh. Only after he's met himself, Yeah, because he go, now, I have compassion in my now that I see that this affects me, that I see it affects me personally, kind of okay. He joins the forum and he says, I'm gonna spill the beans and hopefully telling everybody the reality dad that it affected. I'm going to do everything I can to stop these tragedies. Www dot post to post dot org. I'm sure it's a org. I don't know today is I'm not from here. What day is it? Come on, dad, Monday? He's yeah, he's like forty five June eighth, two thousand, that was what it was. June two thousand was a Monday. Yeah, yeah, you sure, yeah, Thursday in my timeline. What is this to her state? You're saying we don't have that where I'm at. Whatever. So he's like, I'm gonna go post on an obscure blog. That's what I'm saying, Like, what, okay? Yeah, yeah, So he he does it is like I actually work at the White House. You could tell the President, no, no, I need to do this. George wouldn't get it. So he does the war w w w w ST's for War War War George W. Bush. So I was talking about websites, George world Ward. So he uh, he you know, does his He does this form thing for and then sometime in two thousand and one, he's like, all right, it's time that I go back to my time. I'll see you guys later, and so he leaves. He's like, itels a good time for me to get out of here. So he leaves. He goes back to there's nothing else might stop. I have done it all, I have fixed the world. It's time in two thousand and one for me to leave. So long, suckers, you're on your own. I mean, he prevented the nuclear disaster in the Civil war. I mean, you give and take. I can't prevent everything. So he leaves, but his he did have. So he told all his stories of the war and the stuff that never all this stuff that never happened, but he was trying to prevent this stuff from happening. So it makes sense that that stuff, okay, happened. But he did talk about some stuff in there that did still happen. A couple of the most noteworthy things was the mad cow disease outbreak in the early two thousands. Predicted that and like even said it was going to be in the early two thousands, which was interesting. He also said that starting in the late two thousands and into the early twenty tens. Media is getting to change forever, and he says there's not going to be media houses that run everything. Anyone is going to be able to create their own music, videos, audio and put it out for the world to have access to. Over the course of the twenty tens, we're going to see that even through nuclear war, we still got Spotify. Well in his timeline, I guess that that didn't happen. I don't really understand the ik, but yeah, Spotify and TikTok. He was basically alluding towards Spotify and TikTok and YouTube and stuff like that. Sure in the early in two thousands, and that's accurate. Those are the only things that are are accurate that he predicted. There's a couple of other things, but they're all small. You could I mean, it's just like Einstein. Yeah. Yeah, so a lot of people, there's no way to go back in the past and be like, hey, guys, look out for nine to eleven. Without that, you then becoming the main suspect. Yeah. Everyone's like, yeah, how did he know? Yeah? I was just thinking about that. There's some pretty notable events that you could just be like this is going to happen. I guess you could predict like Katrina, Yeah, that this guy got blamed for. That's what I'm saying, Like, there's really no way to warn the people in the past without it it seeming like you did it. And I mean, if it's if the butterfly effects. Actually that would be my defense in court if I ever actually do something, I'd be like, this's my time travel was rying. I know, I knew it was. I was going to steal all their body future and by doing that, you probably would end up with an insanity plea oh and get off scot free. No. So a lot of people really believe this in the early two thousands because people were young and impressionable, especially the audience of Coast to Coast AM and Post to Post. What about the hosts of Coast to Coast, Oh, big fan of this stuff. Our bell you could used to be able to fax stuff to his radio show and he would read it. Okay, is that a faxt or is that air? It's a little both. He's killing the bird. That's a pigeon carrier that came to him. We're am radio. We don't have to raise and yeah, he was he read some of his posts on air because he was he was he loved the idea and whether he loved it or not, this guy was an Alex Jones type guy. I mean not Alex Jones because he wasn't as like understandings what but just like, yeah, he knows what's working. We got a time traveler in are four. We actually have a time traveler on a discord. And if you want to see all that stuff, you have to be a Patreons, you know, because he's predicted some stuff, he said, some stuff that's happened. Yeah. Yeah, he predicted you moving to la Yeah, he told me. He told us that in January. He was like, I predicted that long time ago. Yeah yeah, And we were like, wow, I can't believe you knew that was he said. But he said, I don't think he knows what you're is. He's like, guys, in two thousand and eight, the financial collapses comment, we were like, yeah, buddy, he said, yeah, you better build up that emergency fund while you can. Yeah. So a lot of people bought it, Okay, some people didn't, And to this day it's kind of surprising. You look around the internet. There's a lot of people who still believe it and and YouTube videos and stuff and acting like this was like a real time traveler and he saved us from a nuclear war in a civil war from what he did, and act like he's like some kind of hero and whether and it's it's it's tough with these these things because it's like, yeah, it's like are you just making content because you know it's gonna work, yeah, or like do you genuinely believe this stuff? But also it's like, you know, I can't prove he didn't save us from a nuclear war. Yeah, yeah, there's no way to know for sure. But anyways, in twenty eighteen, a dude bout the name of Joseph Mattiney. He created an alternate reality game called Ong's hat O n g Ok, which is an early like the Internet game. Okay, he came out and was like, yeah, me and my friends made that up because we wanted to see if we could create an Internet myth and if it could catch on. So we made it up and the character was like loosely based on John Connor from the Terminator, And so they said, if you if you read the post, like you can kind of see the like fingerprints of John Connor in there. And you can also tell if you read different posts which one of us was posting it, because the like tone changes a little bit, and like the storyline is a little different depending on who's who's making the posts. He said, So it was it was all just kind of a he said. It wasn't a prank, but it was like a It was like a study. It was like to run that guy work for the CIA. Yeah, but it turns out there that guy's a time traveler, that guy's from the future. But I've done that once past we have. I was there, we had time travel in the past. No, I'm saying I was in the nineties. I was there. Oh yeah you're yeah, yeah, we are all from the past. Technically, it's what I was getting at. Now. I created one of those, not to this level, but one of those email forward chains where it was like, if you don't send this to five people, you're gonna get yeah, you say. I can't remember exactly what it was, something like demonic. It was like, if you don't send this, you're gonna be haunted sort of thing. Sure, because I thought I thought it was like, it's more believable if it's that. And then if it's like I'm gonna get your money, like I'm a prince or something, I want to find you. Yeah, send this to five people going to get you people, I'm gonna so it's supposed to send this episode of five people that's going to get you. That should absolutely be our marketing kits for this to five people, or you're gonna see the hat. I love that a lot, actually, but yeah, it got back to me, and I remember that was one of the proudest moments of my life. When I was like eleven, I was like, well, I said, it is, and he texted it back. Later it was months later. I emailed it to a bunch of I emailed it to a bunch of people and probably from my own email, Bruce Willis at MSN dot it's a nervous George W. Bush at yahoo dot com. Now his email was wartime is here George Bush, George war Bush at hotmail dot com. Uh so, yeah, so and it got back to me and I was I was friends with George Bush on a I m anyway, this was this was the time of the Internet when people believe stuff like that, though like, well, I should believe that's what I'm saying. People are like, yeah, my pin pal is this, and you're like, okay. That was a time when though, like you would see on social people would share those posts. It'd share this to five people or see yeah, you know. And I don't know if his people believed it or if it was just everyone was a child that we knew at the time. I never forwarded any of those text things. I forwarded them because I forwarded them. And here's why, I'll tell you why. Because I was like, I was like, this isn't real. But I was like, but what if I was like, I'll say, I know this is wrong, but there's a chance. But just in case, nine times out of ten this is a lie, but this could be one of the one times out of ten. So I'm not gonna and look how your life turned out perfect. It's because I always forwarded it. Be perfect. So if you want your life to turn out perfect, send this to five friends. My life's falling apart. It's because he never said this to five friends. All right. Anyways, that's the sort of John Teeter, Oh, the time traveler whose story is most likely false, but potentially maybe there could be a chance we're in an alternate timeline and that's why you got none of that work just in case. Yeah, there's a chance, there's a chance that this is a true story. Anyways, I feel like there's a word we say here, but I think I'm from an alternate time where I don't know what it is. Oh, puddle of mud? Is that you can we get their rights to a puddle of mud song to put their that that costs I don't know. Hey, thanks for being here for that whole episode. If you enjoyed that topic of time travel. We recently did another episode called the Cursey Time Slip as a group of like young royal scouts who were, you know, following their orders of going to a different town. They were doing this training stuff and then halfway to another town, they were like, wait a minute, something seems off. And they claim that they went all the way back a couple hundred years in time and then came back and there was like some kind of overlap of a time portal kind of thing. And so we again talk about the theories of time travel. We bring up Einstein's legitimate theories of time travel. It's a great episode. You'll like it a lot if you have watched all the other episodes. You're like, I've already seen that one and I've seen all the other ones. 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In the early 2000s, a man named John Titor appeared on internet forums, claiming to be a time traveler from 2036. Throughout several posts in 2000 and 2001, Titor shared the elaborate story of how he was sent back in time on a mission to retrieve an old IBM computer that contained special debugging software needed to avert a technological … Read More

Man Wrongly Convicted for Causing Devastating 1993 Flood | Ep 228

06-18-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome. This week we talk about James Scott and the flood of nineteen ninety three. The Mississippi River flooded and the levees broke, and for some reason people in this town were like, we bet this guy did it. And so we all talk about the flood, how it happened, and then how it got pinned on one person, and the outcome of that trial. So this is a comedy podcast. We joke around a lot, and every week we learn about an interesting topic. So we're really glad you're here for this episode. Let's get into it. Hey man, what's up? Bang bang baby? You ready for this? James Scott? You ever heard of the guy James Scott. James he wrote the national anthem? He might have actually no, no, uh, James Scott. Yeah, he's back to the future. No, here's James Scott. Great Scott, Oh, great Scott. Yeah, he's James Scott's one. Though could be honestly, honestly though, given the subject, the content of James Scott's character, uh, it could be. See I like these because we've given you an intro of this episode so far. You know you already know I'm something. I'm sitting in the mystery. Right, you're sitting in the dark. Here's what something interesting happens, he says. I reinforced it, and it looked like it was going to be good. So I went out for drinks. I came back. I reinforced it. I saw that it was good, so I took a day off. God could do it. I could do it right. I saw that it was good, so I took a shabbot. Things I learned last night? So who is Jamescott? Okay, well, to tell you about James Scott, I can tell you about. To tell you about James Scott, I got to tell you about something else first before I can tell you about James Scott. Have you ever heard of Mississippi m I've dabbled, so if you don't know, the Mississippi River is a gigantic river that runs down the central United States. Think of the Nile, but in the United States. Yeah, there's actually a paramid on it. We have a paramid right on the not on the Mississippi, Oh, the one in Memphis. And I was like, what anyway got it? You know, I never thought about that. But do you think they named that town Memphis because it was on America's Nile. I'm sorry, what do you think they named that town Memphis because it's on America's nile. Saying it's saying it's slower is like when do you when you encounter someone who doesn't speak English and you go, do you think what is your logic here? Because Memphis is named after Egypt. And if they thought that, then if they thought that Mississippi was America's Nile, like I'm saying, then maybe they were saying, Okay, we're naming it this because this is oh see, yes, okay. So the Modesty was founded in eighteen nineteen and named Memphis. The name was chosen because the ancient city Memphis, Egypt, was found as thousands of a year before the US even existed, but like Memphis, Tennessee, it was also located on a great River, the Nile. We just learned something on this podcast, more than we're gonna learn in the rest of the episode, but it's interesting. And then they built the pyramid there. Is that why they put the pyramid there? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they built the perramid because it's Memphis, Tennessee. I thought they found it there. I thought that it's crazy that this is here. Yeah, yeah, it was a stadium originally it was the basketball stadium. We've been inside? Did you go to you with me? Or is that my brother? My brother went. I haven't been inside. We went to the parking lot so I could that's right, and then we were like, it'd be cool if we went in there, and then we just kept driving. Don't know why we didn't. It's I think it was closed that day. Oh. I think they were like, it's just it's just it is and I can't orristate this. It is just bad pro like so like there's it's it's hotels. It's a hotel. Yeah, I've seen photos and your patio of the hotel overlooks and I can't make this any more clear. Bass Pro sh it's interesting. I've seen pictures. I haven't been in, but I bet that would be cool at night when they close bass Pro and you just hear the water and the like the frogs. You can get into the bass Pro part of the hotel. I I don't want you to, but you can get in there. I canude in. You're on the seventh floor and you just got the new bounced up there. The guy's on the back and he's singing to you to jump. And what I used to get all that? That? Oh way, oh okay. All I got was the first note. The first note was I'll be home for Christmas. Oh my bad, oh me. He just pushes the off the back wall. It's pretty long. It's a long fall. So anyway. The Mississippi River, Yeah, the Mississippi River, big river in the United Central United States, America's nile. That's why they named it Memphis, and that's why they built the pyramid. Were all caught up on that, right. You wouldn't You wouldn't believe they named the nile the nile because it was africacause Mississippi. The Mississippi River in nineteen ninety three flooded, really bad flood all across the entire year nineteen ninety three. They call it the Great Flood of nineteen ninety three, an insane bib biblical proportions flood. There was seven hundred and forty five miles worth of the Mississippi Basin was flooded and caused twenty three to thirty billion dollars in damage in today's two dollars. Fifty people died in the incident. Massive massive, like I cannot over say enough help. It's hard over state. It's hard to overstate. Yeah, you're making a joke about a cat like a catastrophic event. I was making past Pro out, Well do you think that people aren't alive? And him, Well, the fifty of them died. Tim, that was bad to say. You should write an apology. I'm sorry. I'm sorry bass Pro for the flood. He didn't cause it. Don't take responsibility. I don't take responsibility for the flood. But I don't take responsibility at all. But I am sorry for you. I guess, okay, I do. Actually, this is something you probably can relate to. Great. Oh, hold on, this is so here's I'm gonna show you pa. Oh wait, you took the one that was up there. I did. I did. Yeah, I'm doubling up, baby, my second bang of the day. That's why I said bang bang. Yeah, I say one. If it's one, Okay, it's done, five of three. Let's we get past three. All bets are off. Okay, here we go. So here's something you'll recognize. This is jeff City, Missouri. Yeah. Oh, that's that's the So it went up to the capitol. Yeah, it went out there. What's crazy is jeff City is forty miles from the river. So true at all? Yeah, so that's crazy. It was a pretty serious flood. Okay, this is so I love that everyone still went to work. Cars are it. Well, here's the thing. This was a long term flood, Like this lasted long time. Life went on and you just kind of had to reroute yourself. Yeah. A lot of bridges closed along the river. And it wasn't just I should clarify, it wasn't just the Mississippi River. It was all along the central US. They're not exactly sure for sure for positive how this happened. They think that there was a volcanic water that it worked its way into the Mississippi River and then and increased rainfall together caused the river the water levels to swell, and they overtook levees across the country. Okay, so there's a foundation. How fast the flood happened, you know, I mean it was it was slow because they prepared so like they were is it getting bigger? They're like, hey, this water is high, and so they were sandbagging the river got along the Mississippi for months before the flood, like really flooded, so they knew. It was like, hey, this is getting deep, let's prepare. But they eventually the river always wins. So that's our foundation. Right now. We know about the ninety three Mississippi flood, and we know why Memphis, Tennessee has its name, all right, so we know we know enough to talk about James Scott. Now, okay, James Scott was a dude who lived in Quincy, Missouri. West Quincy, Missouri, which you probably know where this is because we've been to Hannibal. Yeah, we've been to Quincy, and so Quincy is a town along the mississ Oh I had Illinois. I've been to Hannibal. It's Quincy, Illinois. It's not Missouri. Well, there's West Quincy, Missouri. Quincy, Illinois. It's kind of like a Kansas City, Kansas, Kansas City, Missouri situation or St. Louis, Saint Louis. Yeah, I did the show with you in Hannibal. Well I didn't do it with you. I just came with you. It was a good show, Yeah, it is. We met some good people on that one. That was sometimes we meet people. That was that date. That was my highest paying gig i'd ever done. That's why I was like, you should go with me. You know, it was a it was a big deal. Yeah, that was two thousand and sixteen, seventeen. Yeah, I think it was seventeen because we were both living up here. Yeah. Yeah, we were both living up here at the time. Deal. Anyways, So James Scott in Quincy, West Quincy, Missouri. Yes, he he. He was a troubled youth. He spent his most of his upbringing burgalarizing people, and he got arrested a couple of times for it. Served a couple of stints in the prison in jeff City, actually the penitentiary actually is what they call it out there, the pen, the pen, and so he had a couple of arrests for that. He also had a couple arrests for arson. He he arsened his high school. Could you arson? Can you verb that? You just say? He said his school on fire? I like arsened though. He arsened his high school. And he also arsened. This sounds rough because it is. It's really rough. I don't want to act like it's not, but it is rough. He arsened his girlfriend's house when they were in a house in a fight and she was in there she got out, but he did arsen in her house, so he's he's a troubled youth. Sure. Like the day he did it, he and his best friend throw four and a half hours around trip, so like nine hours in the car, and at any point he could have just been like I feeling kind of sad, and instead he went home and he said his girlfriend's house on fire. And it's like, buddy, you could have just talked about your feelings. Man, you could have just brought it up. You could have just said something to me. Yeah. I think I even asked. I said, how's how's how's that girl whose house is totally intact and not on fire? And he was like, weird, thing's alright? Blue like that. But anyway, you don't remember that trip off. He may died that day because I saw the news when we were getting gas. Yeah, let's look it up. Oh, October fifth, seventeen. I know who that is. October sixth, twenty seventeen. October sixth, Yeah, so we were six days into our break goes fresh at that point. This episode's gonna be a little weird. Now I'm having all that feelings that I want to talk about. There's some tension. All right, ready, let's fight. The river always wins. So he is he's a troubled person. Yeah, he's been in and out of prison. He's done some bad things. Right, but what year is this now? It's nineteen ninety three now, oh so he has I mean yeah, ye, yeah, but I mean, like how old? Like what year is he growing up? You know what I'm saying? Like was he a teen in the He was born in sixty nine, Okay, so he was like an adult. He's married, teen through the eighties. Yeah, he's married. He served a long stint in prison for the arson thing, Okay, and now he's like he's actually it's ninety three. He's working at Burger King. So like the heyday of Burger King, I guess prime Burking. Chicken fingers, chicken fries just came out, not chicken fingers. Fries just came out, and holy crap, do you remember when chicken fries first came out? It was mind blow That was the craziest. You want to go get some chicken fries after this? Not at all. My body can't handle that. Your body can't handle that. You're thirty now, chicken fries, welcome to your thirties where you have to think about what you're doing tomorrow before you eat today. I'm not doing it even crazy tomorrow. Go ahead, I gotta fly home tomorrow night. I'm gonna be careful what I eat that sounds good. So otherwise all day you're like, that's what being thirty is is laying in bed at night and having to take a whole inventory of everything you ate that day because you're like, what made me feel this way? Turns out most stuffed, most things, most of the things you can eat are the problem. Yeah. Yeah, Big thirty is laying in your bed and being like, do we have any thumbs in the hall closet? Oh? No, I have no question that I keep him by my bed. We're here, We've made it. I made it. So he's a troubled person. Being thirty. Is you most recent Amazon purchase is a heating pad for your back? Yeah, we have a couple. Yeah, we've got those strategic locations about the house. Okay, So he's he's is he normal? Well adjusted? And this is Burger King's at their heyday. They haven't released their video game yet, this is pre ding fries are done. So yeah, but Burger King is still popping. I think burging is huge. Yeah, yeah, burger king at this time is I think they're trying to reach the MTV generation. Yeah, that's what they're doing. At this time. They're like, hey, we're high school Ah yeah, so they're doing all that stuff. What was our slogan? Then, Okay, let's go to make up sure we love high schoolers, trying to that generation. You know that that would be like that we love high schoolers is something that a youth pastor would would do and not realize what he's doing. Oh gosh, Oh my gosh. Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, A great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our host and producers. 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They're not trying to reach me right now. I don't get the jingle that they're doing right now. Well, I think the jingle wasn't suppose to be funny. I think it was supposed to be a Memberal jingle, and but then they did that. They ran it so much that it's everywhere. And now the joke is that that jingle is in everything sound and so the meme is that like, no matter what you're watching them drops in ya have it your way, And it wasn't supposed to be funny, but now it is because they oversaid that because I don't. They spent too much money on it. Sure, yeah, yeah, that's why people laugh at me. We spent too much money on it. Yeah. So the flood starts and and this this is early flood era. It is not overflown, it's but it's it's swelling, right yeah. And Quincy is right on the river, and so Quincy is like, hey, we this is risky. And so everybody in town is like going and their sandbagging and they're volunteering, and they're like, hey, we're gonna put some stuff up, we're going to stand bag, We're going to do our part to help save the sound the town. Also, when you show jeff City earlier, that wasn't the Mississippi. That's what I said. That's why I said, yeah, I should say because I clarified, I said I should say that there's more than the Mississippi. Okay, flooding during this era. The Mississippi was kind of where it started. But the Mississippi feeds a bunch of rivers in this area. So the Mississippi floods. Everything else floods. Sure, yeah, the Nile floods. Everything floods. That's what they say. The pyramids and that's what is like, hold on, you know how they keep this dry? How'd they do that? Did you hear that they found? So, James Scott, I don't care whatever conspiracy or about to bring up. I don't care whatever. Weird thought that mentioning the Pyramids was like, did you hear they found? No? I wish I had a spray bob. So they're they're sandbag in the did you they're stand back of the levee trying to keep it from breaking. Okay, which do you know what a levee is? Yeah? I do know what it's made of? Hold on, what's the song to the levee and the levee? It was dry concrete? Right? I mean I guess it depends. I guess there probably could be concrete levees. I would assume that a concrete levee is probably a better levee than what these guys had. These guys just had a sand levee. Oh sure, yeah, yeah, there's built thing. Yeah yeah, but yeah, I guess I didn't realize before seeing this what a levee was. Okay, I assumed a levee was more like a damn but it was just a bunch of Yeah, thanks, I appreciate that. So they had a levee and they're sandbag in the levee, trying to like increase the height and the strength of this levee, I guess, And the whole town's coming out every day and they're loading these sandbags. National guards bringing all these sandbags in. Sure everyone's doing their part. I was doing their thing. Well. One day, James comes out and and uh, he's in at a different spot on the levee than most people are at and he notices, oh, this levee looks like it's about to break, and so he says, I'm gonna take he said. There's nobody else over here, he says, but I want to stick and there's like break. Levee's pretty weak, he says. He says, I want to help. I want to do my part, but like no one's around, so like I can't do this myself. And I should be very clear. It's getting close. Like, yeah, they brought a bunch of bulldozers in to bulldoze a bunch of dirt up, and like they are like really working over time to try to reinforce this because it's like we're It's kind of like when you stay with me for a second. It's kind of like when you're staying at holiday in when you're like seven, and you said, you said, look, it's been raining all day. We didn't get to go to the water park. Let's fill the bathtub. I'm going to go to the bathtub. Yeah, and you shove your socks in that top train so I can't see. This is where it like gets not relatable. You fill it up and then you go in the other room and wait for a minute while it's filling up. Because when you're at the holiday in with your mom and dad and they fill the bathtub up, and then your dad is like, okay, boys, time to get baptized. And you go in there and your dad holds you under water for like a long time and you have to be like and then well, then he takes you up, and then if you don't go shut it the bot, he puts you back in there, and then yeah, he keeps pulling you out until and then he asks he pulls you out, and every time he says did you see God? And if you say no, he puts you puts you back in eventually, and your mom's doing it to your brother in the sink at the same time. Yeah, he can't fight that hard. Yeah, you know. And then eventually one of the times you black out and you see God and then you come back and you're you're not, like I saw him. They wake up in the hospital and chop tread resources like, hey, these are your new parents, and you're like, oh okay, and you tell your parents and you're like, oh okay, and then you keep telling your new parents I saw God and they're like, yeah, sure you did, and you're like, but I did. They're like, okay, he told me. He told me your new parents are sinners. He said they like fruitcake. So to you, no, it's wild how your stories always take have a relatable start. And then you know, when you shove socks in the drain so nothing that you know, you're like, what are you talking about, dude, You've all filled the bathroble with water, and then it accidentally goes over. No, because if you have if you have the drain like the little two holes at the top of the tub, it doesn't it won't let you. It's designed to not let you overflow it. I know you're talking, but if you put your socks in the holes, then you can overflow and use socks. I feel like my socks were too big for you put the whole sock in. You just put the sock up against it and then just shoved your fingers through, so it like created a whole and then you folded it back over shoved your fingers through again. So anyways, it's like that where the dub is starting to overflow. Sure, but with the l the Mississippi River, it's getting really close and like put the socks in the drain and so he's like looking at it, and he's like, he's like this Parla Levy looks like it's getting really close, which, honestly, looking back on this, hindsight's twenty twenty. But looking back on this, a single guy looking at a single tiny portion point the Mississippi River and saying, this spot's gonna overflow. He says, let me grab some sandbags from this other spot that looks okay, and I'll go these sand bags and I'll reinforce this part and it makes vulnerability in the other part and so yeah, so he moves the sandbags, reinforces it, and he's like, who is he to the sandbags? What's his relationships? He's not related to the sand He worked for the city, the city. But here's the thing. It's not that he's a burger king employee. He happens to be local burger king. But here's the thing. It was the sort of thing where everybody in town was coming to the river and helping reinforce this. It wasn't like, it wasn't like he was just like everybody's help for a second, because it was like, my house is going to be underwater if I don't sure, So everybody's helping. But he was at a different spot, like everybody's down for the down on the levee because everybody reinforced that earlier that day, he happened to be on this side of Levey and he said, this doesn't look good. You guys don't do a great job. I'm going to fix it. But I'm going to fix it. The voice inside his mind was like, that's the and it's like and he's like, he's like, there's like a it's like a flute. He can hear a flute and he's like picking up. He looks at the wave and of the waves, it looks like a man just moving down the river, but it's like water. And he said, James, you've done well. So then wells out a couple of sand bags. So then this happens. If for the other audio listeners, it's a picture of a levee breaking. Is he over here? So this is the levee breaks on July sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, and it just comes rushing through like a lot. How how okay? How high up was the water over the level? Like, I don't know that. I know it was enough to flood, sure, I don't know how high it was. And uh so his helicopter image. Yeah, so local news is like, send someone over there to go get some news on this, and so they send a reporter over there and the reporter finds it finds James James, oh no, oh no. And so yeah, so they come up and they say, hey, you're the first person on the scene here. What happened? And he's like, I don't know. Well he says, he says, hey, I saw that. I saw that that looked like that was gonna break. So I started reinforcing it with some sandbags, and here's where something that interesting happens. He says, I reinforced it, and it looked like it was going to be good. So I went out for drinks. I came back, I reinforced it. I saw that it was good. So I took a day off. God could do it. I could do it right. I saw that it was good. So I took a Shabbat and and so he's like, he's like, I came back and I saw this, and that I saw you, and now I'm talking to you. And she was like, that's crazy. And so the this is a small town, right, yeah, he did this is on the news, and the local sheriff is watching the news and he's like, I know that guy, and I know that that guy probably did this. He went on purpose. Yeah, he's like, he's like, this guy did this, but they don't have like a warrant, they don't have anything to go on. This guy's a chicken fries liar chicken for fries, and so he looks in the system and he's like, hey, good news, though, this guy is wanted for burglary because he's been doing it again. Yeah. Yeah, And so they're like They're like, let's old habits die hard. Let's go grab him for burglary. We're gonna investigate it for burglary. And during the process, we're gonna question him about this flood thing. And so he did. He makes sah, they're stolen some merchandise from the Ben Franklin Soper colluded with Mother Nature to level our town. What does the word water mean to you? James? Hey, have you ever heard of Noah? What is your relation to the rain? Can you spell? And yeah? And just because he can spell it, that's it, that's his We got him. We know this, guys say in sc h D sanched. We're pretty sure you did have fun in jails. Jails. So he leaves, he gets questioned. They're like, okay, that was interesting. Those questions. Those questions we asked. Those are interesting. Your answers not so much. But we asked some interesting questions you're talking about. I was interesting those questions. We asked, Oh, I love them, good work, team. I asked them the questions. He got to leave for a second while they kind of gathered their things thought about it. Allegedly, he went to a bar that night and he bribed about flooding the town a legend. Can I get two miller lights and uh a pad on the back because I don't know, you guys know, but all this damage that's happening flooding, this guy, that's in my blood. I got flood for blood. I got flood blood. And it was it was a catastrophic flood. Here's a here's a shot of Oh god it is it is flooding. And this is uh all because of one breach in the levee. Yeah, the levee breached and and then the rest flood yea, and so uh. The police did their interview, they did their investigation. They called one of his friends, an older friend, like it was like he wasn't current friends with him, but an older friend with him. Yeah, somebody who hadn't seen he's got his life turned around. He's working at Burger King. Yeah, other old friends working at the other burger King in town six in this town is the I don't know. I'm just guessing Burger King was popping it this day. Did his uh did did his Burger King get flooded? I actually don't know. He's on the news just being like, yeah, I don't know, man, I just feel like break all the rules. It's their slogan, break the rules. Hi, yeah, there you go. You didn't get catch that because it just doesn't sound like a burger king, like the rules, break the rules. What does that have to do with burger king? It doesn't. It has to do with the high schoolers they want to attract. Yeah, yeah, you guys want to do here. The nineties high schoolers were such a odd Yeah. They were group of people. You know, they were aggressive. Yes, they were grungy, grungy and gross or words I would use. And I know you're listening right now in your media vain with your kids, and you were a nineties high schooler. Yeah, and if that offense, you look at a picture and look at how greasy your hair was, Look how gross you looked, nasty in your Jinko jeans. Stupid anyway. Anyways, so the police are doing this investigation. They asked this guy, they said, hey, do you think James did this? And he said, you know what, Yes, I haven't talked to James in a little bit, but I did hear that he was plotting to flood the town. Hold on, it gets better. What do you mean he's plotting to flood. He was just you know, ever since we were in high school. I remember being a kid and I went downstairs in the basement and he was upstairs with my mom, and he was just like, listen, Tammy, I'm gonna flood this town, flood this down. He says he had a plot to flood the town because he knew it would destroy the bridges so then it would trap his wife on the other side of the room so he could stay over here. In part, I mean, honey, I can't come home. I can't come home. The bridges are out. The bridge is out. All the bridges, all the bridges are out. Give me a drive all the way down to Hannibal to crossover. No, not gonna happen. We're just on the other side of the river. You know. I'll be back when they fix the bridge. Apparently there is a river wide enough to keep me from getting to you. So and it's the flood in Mississippi. Hey, if you're enjoying this episode, a great way you can help us out is by sharing it. Send it to your friends. Click that share link, send them the link and say, hey, this is a little show that I watched sometimes that I think you might like to watch sometimes and your friends will say this is weird, but it's okay. There'll eventually start laughing at it. I think maybe it depends what kind of friends you have. If you have someone I hope you do, this is a great way to help. And so the police were like, okay, we've got enough to arrest them. And so they get a warrant and they go arrest them and they say, hey, we're we're pretty sure you did the flood sure, And he was like, excuse me, you think I I guess you know. To me, the ocean flooding doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's like, just there's so much more room for the water out there, you know, like just go out there, Just go the other way. Why are you coming this way? Go the other way. The fact that science hasn't figured that out makes me really not put the water the ocean. Put the water in the place where there's a lot of water. That doesn't make any sense to me at all. Why are you putting the water? So? Why can't we drink ocean water yet? Come on, guys, come on figure this out. I could I could drink my pea with that straw but I can't drink the ocean water. And I'm talking about Starbucks straws. If you're wondering, they've got a cool filter. You know what I talked about? You guys, you guys hear how it's normal? No, you've heard of that. It's it's like a dumb little like why get the ocean water? You know? Oh, you know when you're the holiday and you put put water in the bats up and then he always goes, yeah, you can always I can drink my pea with this straw. Oh you just put your socks in the holes. I ever heard that. That's how you can make one at home. Straw suck life straw. That's what they're called, right, live straw. I have no idea what you're talking about. It. You can buy it on Amazon. It's for like bears girls, dudes. Then you can drink. You can drink like any water in the wilderness, and like you're not going to get sick off of it. It's got to filter, and it's gotta filter like all the way through. It's called a live straw, I'm pretty sure. And allegedly you can drink your own pea because it's going to filter. It all out, just be water when it gets to And I'm curious if the livestrap would work in with ocean water. Actually I've never heard of that. Would it work, Like, would it get the water out of this? It's a question. I don't know because we would have to we have to order one now, but like we would have to put it in a coke. Yeah, that's the test. Live straw products do not remove salt from water and shouldn't not be used on water sources such as ocean or seawater, other saltwater sources, or brackish water. So you're supposed to only use them with fresh water, fresh water, but just dirty fresh water. Yeah, it's the idea clean freshwater doesn't make any sense anyways. All right, So he gets arrested. No, no, dude, my p he's pretty salt. So he gets arrested and they're like, that's my biggest complaint. Okay, say the rest of him. And they say, James Scott, you're under arrest for flooding the town. And he says, excuse me, and they're like that's right. And so his defense comes and they're like this is preposterous, and they're like, have you seen the flood that's happening everywhere. You think he did this whole thing, Like, sure, maybe he moves some sandwich. Can't be mad at James, We have to be mad at God. This is God's fault. Fools, he says, Look how sinful you've been. Blame yourselves, they say. They bring in some scientists from a couple of different universities to do like soil samples, and they proved to be on a shadow of the doubt, both of them, and they like wrote peer reviewed articles saying that this these levees weren't going to break regardless of what happened. And they were like, they're like these were The police were like, and so the police they got their witness reports from these like four or five people who were like, yeah, we heard he was trying to just party and get away from his wife, so that's why he did it. And so they did this case. That's crazy. And they were like, look at his record. He's he's done some arsons, he's done some reglaries, Like he's the kind of trying to summon a tornado, and I think we should blame this f fournao on him because he just wanted to be out there. He wanted his wife to be up and away. He kept saying up and away, and then you get mumbling over his brother Burger King were sitting there and he's over, you know, the grill, just up and away, up and away, and that's just when he saysbod he flips the burgers three more days. So it'd be pretty wild if this was like that guy at my Starbucks in Springfield. Yeah, when I used to sit at Starbucks all the time. Yea, who do you remember me telling you this? He was another regular. He was always in there, like writing something on his laptop or like reading very thick books. I don't think he was actually reading. I think he just had thick books open and it was just like you know. And so I ventured out to talk to him, yeah, once, and he told me that his emotions control the weather and that when he's upset, it thunders and rains and uh. And I learned in that moment not to talk to strangers ever. Talked to another person ever again. Yeah, because like we had seen each other for two years and it had been like, oh, his name is Mike, and it like hey Mike, you know, and it's like you kind of know you kind of know. Then you have a conversation and he goes, he goes, by the way, I'm insane, By the way, I did that, And so he was planning on flooding Springfield. So that happens after that. Every time he came in out was raining. He winked at you. Yeah, I'm not joking though, it was like he looked at me like I knew his secret. Yeah, he was like, he's like rough day. He also he actually got banned from there because he became convinced, now I'm so serious. He became convinced that they were trying to poison him, and so he was like I do remember that as well, being like I know, you're trying to kill me. And it was like and he wasn't like a crazy homeless person who like says weird stuff. He was like a normal, normal person who came and worked on his laptop and read his book. It was on all of a sudden, was like, by the way, yeah that is I would summon a tornado. So they based on those reports then, yeah, they arrest him. Yeah, say he did it on purpose? Yeah, well and yeah, and in the trial they brought in environmentalists who said that there was eleven to twelve levy failures along that stretch of the Mississippi, and across the entire country there was failures, and so it's like, this is not a local thing, this is not limited to just this area. And they had like scientists who were like proving with evidence, like hard evidence to say this was gonna happen. Yeah, there's no connection. You can't connect this too. This is a wild flood that no one could have prepared for. Yeah. And then the prosecuting attorneys came out and they said, look, he did some arson, and also his friend thinks he did this. And the jury deliberates for four hours and comes back and finds him guilty of causing a catastrophe, and he gets you're right, I do hate this one. He gets charged with causing a catastrophe. No one died in the Quincy area, but they did. It was millions of dollars with the damage. And he gets twenty years to life. And the Missouri Attorney General saw this and was like that's bogus, and he's like try him again, and so he gets a retrial a year later, and they said, you can't use that like those witness reports that you used last time around, Yeah, with Bogus, And so they do it again and the jury again finds him guilty. It's twenty to life and how I do not know. It is interesting. There's a Vice documentary about this, and obviously it's a jury of your peers. And I think the biggest thing is he had this record, and everybody in town knew him, and everybody in town was affected by this, and everybody in town needed a scapegoat, and he was the easy one that they all already didn't like. Most of them knew somebody who he burglarized or arsened, and so they he was an easy target. And that Jerry just was like, yeah, it was him. It had to be this natural disaster had to be him. So did he get out of jail? And so twenty thirteen, he is up for parole. In twenty twenty six, wait, why is he still in jail? I don't know what he's still there. Here's a recent picture of him from his Vice documentary. He's up for parole. And here's the thing they said that basically, his parole officer was like, we'll let him out. We'll let him out if he like accepts responsibility and apologizes, and they're like, we're pretty confident he won't do that. So he probably will stay in prison because he won't accept responsibility for this, because he's he's maintained his innocence the whole time. He's been like, I was just trying to help, and he's like, he's like, yeah, it broke where I was trying to help. He's like, I was trying to help, like it was looking like it was going to break, whether I did it something or not. Here's what's interesting. There was a guy who testified against him by the name of Norman hare Well. Pronounce this h A E R R Hair. Okay, that's what I thought. Hair Norman Hair who is the president of the Fabious River Drainage District and the largest owner of land on the Missouri side of the Quincy Township area. Cool. He was uninsured and even if he was insured, a natural disaster is an act of God, and you do not get an insurance payment of it for it. But uh, an act of God. I don't know. It depends on the the tornado. I guess that's true. I guess that's true. I don't know. I don't know. But he wasn't insured. I know he was uninsured. He was uninsured, and it must be because he was uninsured that in that case with I don't know, however, the system was set up because he was uninsured. If it was an act of god, he was just kind of out of life. Probably didn't have flood insurance because he wouldn't think, oh, this is going to ever flood this bad, this bad. Yeah, maybe, but if there was a vandalism, he could claim it. So maybe he didn't have flood insurance, but he had normal insurance, right, and so he was able to get everything covered and had a massive insurance payout because this was an act of vandalism legally and not an act of God. And so a lot of people looked at him and say, yeah, he kind of swayed this because he wanted to get that payout for sure. And maybe he might have just testified him by himself. I don't know if he was the mastermind behind this whole thing. Wow, I hate that, Yeah, pretty much. Is the guy spend life in prison is probably spent a lot more time in prison unless he unless he says it's not worth it. I'm just gonna say I did it. So that way they give me parole. Honestly, for a lot of people who have been in prison that long, it just becomes like, a they've missed the he's been in prison since the nineties. Yeah, they've missed the entire technological year. Yeah. And at this point it's just like, yeah, I mean I know prison. Yeah, it's true, and I mean yeah he I mean, he talked about it in the documentary. He's like, he's like, I've missed everything. He's I missed my chance at everything. Yeah, it's a family d chance at a whole sadder out there chance at career, like yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to assimilate at this point is pretty tough. Yep, so pretty rough. I don't know if I think it's pretty obvious this guy didn't cause this flood he was. I think I think he was just trying to help. Uh. I think he was genuinely just trying to help. I really really seriously doubt he thought, hey, I'm gonna flood the hounds, I can party. There's a small chance though, that he saw it and was like, hey, here's my opportunity, here's my shot, and I can get a pretty good party. And if I do this lose yourself and if you pull it open down a whett flug, I have to see my wife because the song wasn't even out. Then yeah, yeah, you might be right. You might have done it. Then, I don't know when you put it, I don't know put it that way. It seems when you put it that way, he probably didn't. But when you go, I mean that really Yeah, when I think about it like that, I think it's crazy that the whole week leading up to the flood, he went on multiple road trips with his best friend, four and a half hour drives, and at no point that he has look over and go I'm about to fiddle off this whole town, dude, I'm about to fluddle off this town. Hey, thanks for sticking around to the end of this episode. If you liked that one. Speaking to Jail, there's an episode we did about the Barkley Marathons, which is inspired by two people who broke out of jail in the West Virginia Mountains. And then this guy was like, oh, that's a great idea for a marathon. We should make people run through the mountains. 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In 1993, catastrophic flooding along the Mississippi River caused billions in damage and displaced thousands of people. Searching for someone to blame, the town of Quincy, Missouri, pinned the disaster on one man—James Scott. Despite a lack of evidence, Scott was convicted twice for intentionally causing a breach in the river levee that led to widespread flooding. He remains in … Read More

Sandy Jenkins Didn’t Make Enough Money, So He Stole

06-11-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, this week we talk about the Canterbury Tales. I don't know what that place was called the Collins Street Bakery. Okay, this week we talk about the Collins Street Bakery. Hey, welcome. We're talking about the Collin Street Bakery. And they're accountant who stole out of their money. Pretty good fraud, great fraud, such a good fraud. His wife didn't know what was going on, but they spent a lot of money. And then we just kind of talk about how that went down. So this is Tim. I'm jar and Tim teaches me something. I don't know what the topic is when we sit down, so it's kind of fun to just go for it. So Journey, it's a great episode. You're gonna learn some stuff. And we just kind of hang out and left and anyway, let's do it. Good fraud. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Sandy Jenkins? Sandy Jenkins? Yeah, Sandy Jenkins? All right, So we're what nineteen eighty four and we're in a town and let's call it Indiana? Are we Midwest Club? And okay, who's Sandy Jenkins? Sandy Jenkins? Well, here, let's do this. Have you ever heard of the Colin Street Bakery, The Colin Street Bakery, Oh, home of the original Deluxe fruit cake trademark. Yeah, I no, I guess not. Yeah, they have we learned about fruitcakes. They sell fruitcakes and they've been saw it's you. They sell fruitcakes. That's all we gotta say about that. Okay, they have for a long time, since eighteen ninety six. You know what, people over use the words world famous when people are like for our world famous sweet teas. Okay, to be fair, though, these are world famous fruitcakes. They literally ship them worldwide to like royalty, like the Queen of has ordered this multiple times a year since like nineteen oh seven, Like it's like a tradition. Oh, these are genuinely Like I agree with you, most people ever use world famous. It's not world famous. They just make They're just lying these people. They are world famous fruitcakes. Okay, these people genuinely I'm not even kidding when I say this, genuinely, Like we might not know about fruitcakes if it wasn't for Colin Street and their world famous deluxe fruitcakes. Okay, sorry, fruitcakes nerve for you. I'm just so bassionate about the con Street Bakeries fruitcakes man, like they people love these fruitcakes. I don't fruitcake is garbage, but a lot of people love fruitcakes from con Street Bakery. He is thinking about ninety eight thousand dollars a month on a Black America. I need a month. Yeah, and it's got the blacks, got the black yep. I want it so bad. If I got it, I wouldn't tell you guys, just so you know, I'd just recovery undercover bris. Are you on the show? Is this the show? Yeah? Things I learned last night. They started by family. Yeah. I was wondering how you're gonna pivot out of this. Just you just kept going. You're like, I freaking love him, dude, and the best thing I've ever had in my life. So in eighteen eighty six, it was started by the Colins family. Surprisingly, no, not even like it couldn't be further from the Colin Street just go Colin Street. Yeah, no, they were starting the episode. They were started by the McNutt family. And that's the truth. McNutt. This is I think Ken McNutt in this picture. Okay, they started a bakery together with the family. He's like the third or fourth generation. Okay, okay, coay, but anyway, it's like if Steve Irwin wasn't in the wilderness all the time, and Steve Irwin was domesticated investigated Steve. So it's just the khaki button up and like the really bright white teeth, yeah, blonde hair, and it does kind of vaguely look like him, like if you close your eyes, it was more like an adult version of his son. I guess, yeah, yeah, if you look at something else, you might think that's if you use your imagination. So col Street Bakery was on originally on Collin Street in Corsicana, Texas. I took this picture of the satellite so we can get an idea of where this is. This is about halfway between Waco and the Dallas Fort Worth area. If halfway was off to the side a little bit. Oh. So it's like on on I forty five. On I thirty five north of Waco, we see West Texas right there, see Abbott in West Texas. In West Texas. Yeah, there is the check Stop Bakery. Yeah, and that is Do they have world famous fruitcake there? World famous kawachies. They send those to the Queen of Ireland. Yes, she raves about them. Uh. And of course with Canna. I don't know a lot about the town, but what I can tell you is from what I've found, apparently like a pretty affluent town. Like people in this town, for some reason in the middle of this small town in the middle of Texas are pretty affluent. I don't know if they're commuters to Waco into Fort Worth. It seems like a long commute from there. But somehow there's an industry there where most of the people in this town are like keeping up with the Jones is like pretty affluent in Okay, that's an important detail. Sure, Contree Bakery been around for a long time, and Contree Bakery was kind of fashion forward, but without the fashion bakery forward. Okay. Uh, they were ahead of the game because they were doing mail and fruitcakes. So you could send a little letter and say, hey, I want this fruitcake, and they would mail the fruitcake to you no matter where you were in the world. Oh, they did very early, like early nineteen hundreds. They were mailing fruitcakes globally. Yeah, and maybe that's a testament to fruitcake that how long is it hold? I guess, I mean, I don't. I'm gonna be honest with you. In my two week old fruitcake. Yeah, I'm gonna be dead serious for a second. I don't do this podcast, but I would be dead serious for a second. I don't know if I've ever put a fruitcake in my mouth ever. Okay, so I don't say that I as a fruitcake. I'm assuming frulistic a look at it. It's definitely some kind of cake, and like some almonds. There's almonds on there. And then there's one of the green and red stuff. I think that's jello that looks it doesn't look like real fruit. Yeah, that's definitely some kind of jello or some candy. And then I wonder if in the cake there's fruits. I don't know. I wonder if there's a way for us to figure it out. You keep sitting in front of your computer and being like, I don't know how to look. Here's a picture. Let's look at it. Let's look at a picture and figure out what's in there. Okay, So fruit cake or let me read this to you. Fruitcake or fruitcake is a cake made of with candied or dried fruit, nuts, and spices and optionally, oh this is why it's popular optionally soaked in spirits. In the UK, so they're pretty big in the UK. Certain versions may be iced and decorated, so yeah, these look nasty. Yeah they don't look good. Oh, fruitcake was outlawed. Fruitcakes, I love fruitcakes were so rich that they were considered sinful and they were outlawed in Europe in the eighteenth century because they were so sill. This is so good interesting. Oh imagine that's pretty wild. You make a dessert so good that like the police are like, can't sell that. That's too good. I mean, yeah, that's got to be a confidence boost. Yeah, but it would also be pretty frustrating. Oh yeah, you black market that for sure. Anyways, so this bakery was a worldwide bakery. Is the point to try to make it it's a big deal. Where is it ailing from? All Corsicana, Texas? That's right. They now have like shops all around that area, like Waco, Corsicana, and then a bunch of little small towns along. Sure they're dotting it. They're big thing though, is like online orders, and then it was mailing orders. Now is online orders. Stop doing that? Stop that? I stopped that and now the online is like our big things. So they got a big market for online fruitcake sales. And they've got other baked kids. Sure. But the reason we're talking about this Sandy Jakins, This is Sandy Sandy Jenkins, Oh, was an accountant for Colin Street Bakery. Okay, and Colin Street, like I said, it's a global baker, it's a pretty big bakery. But he was the only accountant on staff for them. And he made about fifty thousand dollars a year, a modest salary. And they lived a good life, but they didn't live like a like good life. What year are we talking. This is early two thousands, okay, And Sandy was a little frustrated. He is not living his dream career. Yeah, selling fruitcakes. Yeah, well he's not even selling. He's the accountant. He's counting fruitcakes, taking account Yeah. And here's the deal. He did not make it into his dream career. In fact, his dad like swayed him away from his dream career because as a kid, yeah, he can't be a monster driver. Sandy, Well, as a kid, his dream job in kindergarten, all the other children want to be firefighters or work at McDonald's or something, and he he said, I want to be a funeral director. And his dad said, that's freaking weird. Hey, buddy, takes something up your when you walk, freaking me out. Why? Yeah, And that was like, that's a creepy thing to say as a child, to be a funeral director and ending up business cards to his teachers. Let me know when your friends die, you're going to go before and I'll be there for you and I'll direct your funeral. Uh. He says that his reasoning for this as a kid wasn't because of the body go, body go, flowers go, hours go. Don't you read the script? Everyone holds, everyone hold hold. Uh No, his reasoning for it wasn't the death and stuff. It wasn't like a dark thing it was. It was he noticed that every funeral he went to, which I guess he went to a few for him to pick up on this, but he knows every funeral he went to, the funeral director was the best dressed person there. And he's like, he's like, I want to be sharp, like the funeral directors. Yeah, and they always drive these like jet black cars and they like seem really cool. Yeah, the jet black cars and the huge back seats and like the long car was cool to drive. I want to drop my kids off to school in that. Yeah, his dad said, so that's freaking weird. Uh pick something else, being an accountant or something, Okay, And he's like he loved his dreams of hanging out with the dead to be an accountant. Scary thing for a five year old to say to you, A funeral director, I'd like to be a funeral director when I grow up. I'm sorry, I asked, honestly. Uh no, no, no, that's fine. That's fine, Sandy. That's a really good dream. Cool, that's a good dream. That's a good, really good dream. I'm going to call your I can't even lie to them. I'm gonna call your parents. I'm going to tell your parents who said that. See, that's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about having a weird kid, you know, because that is something that is a real concern, but also because the worst part about having a weird child is that your weird kid is going to make weird friends and then your house is just full of weird kids. It's weird all the time. Yeah. Yeah, and that's not something I want. Yeah, you don't want to be around that. There's a different there's different brands of weird though, Like there's certain brands of weird that's cool. But can you imagine the friends of the kid who wanted to be a funeral director. That's what I'm saying, like all of them. I'm thinking, like, you know, he goes to stay at the night at someone's house. Yeah, and you know, and he's telling the because he's obviously the kind of kid that all the other kids playing in the basement. And then he's upstairs talking to the kid's mom. Yeah, and it's it's a sleepover. He's wearing a double breasted suit. Yeah. Yeah, and then he like goes and changes his pajamas, silk pajamas, silk pajamas. Imagine he's like combed over, hair over. He's got a rolex. He's got a rolex on both of breast, he's got a he's got a rolex for daytime and then a nighttime role to put on my evening rolex. So tell me, Cassandra, you said he's got grape juice. You had said something about hmmm, welches, And she's crying because she had like her husband, right, because this I mean, he's a kid in the eighties, right, He's like he's like, can we put on a jazz record. He's not hitting on her. He's not hitting on her. He's not just how he hangs out. Yeah, he's not. This is not the scene. The scene is I want to listen to some jazz and jink. Welch is with my best friend. Mom with my best friend's no, no, no, that's his best friend. When his mom, when his mom is like, he's like, I want to say my best friend's house this weekend. He's talking about the mom tells his daddy, tells his dad, Hey, my best friend's son asked if I can stay the night? What was that? She thinks I'd be a great funeral director. She says, I'd be so good at that. We've we've done some funerals in the backyard. There's no dead one, there's nobody dead. It's just kind of his friends mysteriously started dying. And then he's like, Oh, that's a real shame. That really that's really sucks. Could I could I do that? Could I run that for you? What? You let let me take care of run this funeral? And it's going to cost got your stupid watch. Yeah we can talk about payment plans. Yeah, we can put you on a plan. I got the perfect suit for this. Yeah, no, no, no, your mom said it's fine. I already thought there, Yeah, this is that's Sandy Chikins. Okay, we faded the picture. Yeah, I think I think you get it. Thank you, gig exactly what we're talking about. So he's an accountant now, okay at Colin Street Bakery, and accounting is a tough job because you see all the money coming in, see so much money coming in, and then you see how much is coming to you. Yeah. Yeah, so is this like a fraud? So he's been he's been counting for them for a few years, make about fifty grand a year, and he wants a new car. He's got a kind of an older Lexus, but he wants like a new Lexus. Right, yeah, And it's important to reiterate like they live in Corsa, Kana, Texas. He and his wife are doing fine, like I want to say a fluent but they're doing fine. Well, they're doing good. The area is affluent. They compared to everybody else in there are dirt poor, but compared to the most people they are upper middle class. Me with where my wife works. Yes, yeah, that's very accurate. Yeah, everybody comes in and they're like, oh, yeah, we're one of the one of the parents that they actually super Bowl. My wife was wearing a Chief shirt and one of the kid's parents at the school that she works at, when, oh my gosh, were you there too, She's like, no, no, of course, I was so much fun last night. Yeah, last night. I told her to be like, yeah, yeah, for real, we were able to go to the super Bowl and be here today. Yes, that's a different kind of money, did you that's a four hour drive or a forty eight minute flight. Yep, yep. Anyway, your kid's here on time. And I teach them I didn't go to the super Bowl. Go to the super Bowl. I missed my dream career, so I couldn't make it to the super Bowl. So anyways, one day I wish I was hanging out with the dead. So one day he's sitting there accounting and he's dreaming of the Lexus he wants to buy that he's been saving up for four years, still isn't even close to having enough to buy it. And then he accidentally just clicks an extra zero and then he says, I have an idea. He says, what if I take the company credit card and I go buy Alexis. And so he gets off work and he takes the company card and he goes and he buys a Lexis so you can buy a car and a credit card. I just want to make sure, yeah, because I kind of I want to do this with my AMX. Yeah. I mean when I'm ready to go buy them my new car. Yeah. Do you think they're going to let me spend sixty eight thousand dollars on my AMEX? I gotta call Um're like, hey, listen, yeah, yeah, you'll definitely have to notify your credit card company. Can I approve this transaction of sixty eight thousand dollars? Yeah? I mean if you preapprove the transaction, surely it's fine. And I mean I guess it also depends how big your limit is and how I spit it. Sixty eight thousand dollars on it? Put it on this twenty nine percent APR card. Please, I'll pay for it. Eventually my bank will go under. Yeah, that's really. I don't got to outlast Toyota's got to outlast. So he goes and he buys this card on credit. Okay, then the next day, what he does is he prints off a check for the full amount from the accounting software, and the accounting software that they use prints the check automatically signs it from the owner of the company when they print it, so like that way, it just seems an oversight. And then he avoids the check in the system prints a new check for the same amount for one of their vendors. And so in the system, they spent whatever the value was the car, sixty eight thousand dollars on the vendor, So whoever their apple supplier was or whatever, Okay, sixty eight thousand dollars, and so, as far as the system's concerned, sixty eight thousand went to buy apples, but reality went to pay off that credit card where he purchased the the car. And he do you think he tried this with smaller transactions first, because I mean, hiding smaller you don't just go for a car. I don't maybe maybe, I don't know, I don't know. This is the first one we have a record of, so that I mean, there's a chance that there was some stuff before this. Sure he worked his way up to this is the first thing that we have record of, and he was terrified he did it. It was kind of like it's it almost sounds like it was a moment of weakness where it's like he's like, I want this car so bad they don't pay me well enough. I'm just going to freaking get it, and they're gonna pay for it. Yeah, and he did it, and he waited and waited and waited, and nobody noticed. Okay, So then he started getting curious. He was like, he's like, I wonder I can get some other stuff. Oh, this was the this was the first. Yeah, and so okay. So that same method, he starts buying stuff on his Capital one card and then he would print the check and then disguise it as another expense. Coincidentally, what was working really well for them is somewhere in the nineties, fruitcake went out of fashion and started getting like some negative press. And I should say I remember, I remember growing up people just kind of freaking hating on freeze. They hated on fruitcake for no reason. Yeh. I never tried it, and I hate it on it all the time. I constantly, constantly was dogging on fruitcake and how nasty was I've never seen a fruitcake in my life. I did you really have you had him? No? Yeah, they're disgusting sin they're so oh yeah, there's sinful. That's why. But yeah, I mean I remember an episode of Edit and Eddie making fun of them. I remember home alone making fun of them. I remember all this stuff making fun of them, and I never hate them, so they I didn't try fruitcakes until it was legalized in twenty fourteen. Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, a great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early, they get a discord with our host and producers. We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks. But more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us and so we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon, So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. I remember taking fruitcake across the kids as border ones, and I remember taking an uber across the border to go get a fruitcake, to get a fruit cake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy times. So because because the popularity thing, Con Street was down from where their historic level was. Sure, because I mean it's a bakery. They do other stuff, right, yeah, they do other stuff, but thekick is the things because they're disguising sixty eight thousand dollars transactions. Yeah, and I should say this is a big bakery, Like this isn't This isn't a neighborhood bakery that's moving some cakes. This is like a some geeks, this is this isn't the bakery that you know by your house. It's moving some cakes. Okay, this is a big bakery. This is a large operation. They literally were doing like thirty to forty million a year top line. So like, this is a large operation. That's crazy, that's crazy. Yeah, should we have should we bake bait? And so he knew, and this was where he's cooking the books. This was where he was like relatively I shouldn't say smart, but relatively smart because he knew because of the negative press that fruitcakes were receiving, Colin Street was doing this massive campaign to change the perception of fruitcakes, the big marketing campaign. They were doing mailers and all this stuff, and so he would just in with the marketing budget be like, oh, we spent twenty grand on stamps mailing this stuff out to people, and Upper Brass was like, yeah, that's believable with how much money were I don't know if they were ever looking at him be like, its probably true. So he starts buying all this stuff and it's pretty clear that for him there was a probably two things going on. One, he knew in his town that he lived in, he was the lower end of the totem pole because of where his financial standing was, and he was trying to reach up to where all his neighbors were okay. There was also that part of him that wanted to be a funeral director because of their suits, you know, like there was the part of him where he was like, yeah, he looked like he had one of those like checkered suits. He had a good suit in that picture. You showed me this one. Yeah, and so he is the ear pierced. I don't think so. I think that's the background, okay. And so he starts he buys the Lexus. He starts buying a couple of watches, sure, a couple suits and nothing too crazy. And then one day he shows up at home with a new car for his wife and he's like, hey, I got you a new car. And she starts to get a little suspicious and she's like, what's going where are you? Where's all this money coming from? Like you're only making fifty thousand dollars a year. So he tells her, he says, yeah, there's I'm doing some like on the side work for one of our neighbors. Uh, they recently came into some money, so I'm helping them out and they're really paying pretty well for it. And she says that's interesting, and she says okay, and he says but also like, don't mention this to anyone at the bakery, like if they ask about it, tell them it's an inheritance. And also don't tell the I R S because I'm not going to tell them because I don't want to pay taxes on this, and so I would I'll be honest with you. If I told my wife and I was like, hey, just don't tell the I r S about this, she would go, I wouldn't know how was just like, ah, you got it, dude. I r S at I r S dot gov. My IRS said not to tell you. I r S the government at Gmail. Dog, what are you doing, I'm creating a new Gmail. Can to see him. I r S the government almost guarantee that's not available. I almost guarantee that that is on the screen. No, I'm okay, I have to pull up the other because it's the whole thing anyways, So what are you doing? What are you doing? Don't stop it, don't don't don't do that. Don't stop don't Right now, he is standing above me with a machete. Put it down, Tim, I hate that people might believe that I'm fake laughing to kind of try to remove some of the tension. Right now, he still has a machete above me. Okay, so put it down. So she clearly knows that something's up. Yeah, but she just says, I got a new car out of the deal, and so she's just like, fine, I won't tell the RS, I won't tell the I won't tell the other Conn Street people. Sure, and then that's when the floodgates kind of open. Uh. That's when he's like, I've gotten away with it a lot. Yeah, he's like, he's like, I've done this a few times. Nobody's asking any questions, nobody knows anything. And so then they renovate their kitchen ninety eight thousand dollars. They ninety eight thousand dollars renovation. Yeah, he calls, what does that even look like? We have pictures of the kitchen? Actually, that's a good question. I don't know if I would love to know what a ninety eight thousand dollars kitchen renovation looks like. Let's see here. I don't know if we have images of this kitchen. Uh, I'm gonna be honest. A lot of kitchens came up, and I don't know how many of these. Just show you one of them, show you a ninety eight thousand dollars kitchen. Okay, you're not going to believe this. I want to know what it looks like. This is uh, apparently top of the line luxury tim Is this a picture of your kitchen? No? No, no, no, because their fridge would be there with that's this is more believable. This looks like your kitchen though, No it doesn't. Yes, it does not at all. No, it doesn't look I mean, I guess cabinets look like that. My cabinets don't look like that. But that does that oven in that mic wave does look a lot like mine. It looks super poor. Yeah, this is probably I mean, I'm pretty confident this isn't their kitchen either, but this is probably a little bit more on par with what their renovation was. That's what I would imagine is like that, you know, olive garden looking. Yeah, so we started inviting people over PF Chang's style. Yeah, yeah kitchen. Yeah. Can you imagine if like, what are your neighbors invited you over for like a dinner party. This has happened to me actually, And they had a Habachi grill in their kitchen. This just happened. They did the thing. They did the Habi thing that I'll just say, if you you've if you've been to somebody's house that you didn't you didn't know they had it? Oh yea yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what, and you like you go over and you're like, oh, oh, this is not what I expected. And they're like, yo, we would love hang out. We'd love to come to your place. And you go no, you like, no, you want to, Actually you wouldn't. I'm actually looking around here. I can tell you. I can tell you my place. You don't know where I live. Yeah, so you can't. This is probably the last time we hang out. Actually, so we can't talk anymore anyway. Loving new car and I'm gonna tell the irs hello at irs dot up. I met a rich guy today. You met a rich guy today. Check him out? Did you guys know the people living at twenty nine fifteen are rich? I I'm writing it like it's a one star review on Yelp. I visited here two weeks ago. I was caught off guard by the extravagant interior so rich, but the house outside. From outside, they did a good job. It's humble outside. I think they're trying to be undercovered. They're undercover. Rige stop take that back, bleep it out because TLC can't have you see get out of your DLC. That's a good idea undercover ridge where you got to live in a poor neighborhood for six months there, and there's a bunch of them. It's a competition. It's a bunch of them, a bunch of a bunch of rich and different neighborhoods, and they have to do it. They have to do it for months without getting caught. And if they like, they don't realize how easy? How easy? You know? Wait a minute, Well, I mean you saw when we were at the super Bowl last year straight up with Richie will say, they don't they don't understand it. Yeah, yeah, they don't have a at all an awareness idea undercover Ridge. How long can you go without knowing without people picking up? That is? But isn't this kind of like there was that dating show like the Average Joe or whatever, and he ended up being rich, being a rich guy. Yeah, But then wasn't the wasn't the twist that he actually Wasn't we have an average Joe but he's actually rich but surprised we lied to you? He's poor too. I want to say that straight up, Like the premise is like, oh no, wasn't it? Maybe it was the other way around? Did they hold on? Alex? You know what I'm talking about? DoD They do two separate dating shows, one where a rich person is pretending to be a poor person. Yeah, but another one where a poor person is pertaining to be a rich person. And so these girls are gold digging. And then they at the end they revealed that he actually he's not actually rich. Oh he's just an accountant. I thought he was a funeral director. I was gonna dang out with some dead people. No, it's not the money. For not the money. It's the dead the money. It's about the more. It's about the corpse. It's not about the cash. It's about the corpse. No, thank you. People. All my life, they thought I've been saying more and more and more about I've been saying more more, more and everyone. It's like, what's the contest of that? You want seconds? Anyway? Please keep talking about ninety eight thousand dollars kitchen renovation. Oh my gosh, So they I have to cut tim off. My jokes are worth it. Just start saying stuff like more, more, more work, And it's like that's a ycho thing to say. Dude, I don't think I wanted. I just gotta give me some I'm gotting the hustle in the grind, always wanting more work. You want some morek okay. So so he just starts sneaking cash. He's doing two things he's doing to things he's doing do things, buying stuff on the Capitol one card, paying it off with these checks that he's avoiding and then tricking or just making some petty cash. Not as much of that, more of the check thing, because you can get more money doing that, right, But he's just snagging some petty cash, and so he he is. Over the course of a couple of years, it kind of turns into this thing where he is putting about ninety eight thousand dollars a month on a black American. I need a month, Yeah, and he is. And he's got the black as he's got the black yep, I want it so bad. Well, he got it because he was spending ninety thousand dollars a month. If I got it, I wouldn't tell you guys, just so you know I'd been undercover. Yeah undercover, Rich? Are you on the show? Is this the show? Are we already on it? Did I did I? Did I figure? Did I fourth wall? This show? Yeah? Welcome? Well, this is the reveal. This is the reveal after like ten years of friendship, when I finally to be like Tim by the way, I've been rich this whole time. Fourteen years ago, I started a multinational company. Yes you know it as Amazon. Yes, I let you go bankrupt. Yes, I saw all your financial troubles and I could have solved all of them. But I didn't want to blow my cover one second of my time because the prize for this show is fifty thousand dollars, and I wanted it, and I won. I wanted that fifty thousand dollars, so I make one hundred and ninety thousand dollars a minute. Thank you for being a part of this fifty thousand Thank you for being a part of this. You get nothing. You get nothing, Yeah, you get the satisfaction of knowing you'd never figured it out. Actually, you do have a coupon for funeral services from my International Funeral Pland he scaled his funeral. It's called it's called fun for All, fun for all. Yeah, but you know it's parentheseason after you in e RL. Yeah, yeah, all fun for all. I'll call it fun feral. That's not how I pronounce not pronounced that way. We keep trying to tell them that it's fun for all, fun for all, it's funeral with an F in the middle. I can't tell you how many birthdays we got called to, but we're still buried someone fun arol. I also can't tell you how many wildlife balls have gotten, but it's okay. How we make money, Yeah, mistakes, I'm rich rich. I mean, it feels good to finally say that after all this time pretending to be a poor Wow, that's one thing The Rich Love is saying. But the best thing about that show is that you can live in that poor neighborhood for six months and know that at the end of it you're still gonna be rich. You don't have to stay. Yeah, there's hope. You can make a lot of new friends and be like, wow, the community we've formed over these last six months is incredible, and I hope that they continue to make it and survive. Anyway, Bye, never let them in my real house. I would. I mean, I was just you know, they didn't clean and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they'd have to wear those booties on their shoes. No, I'm saying they do some yard work. I'd love clean up and yeah, I see what you're saying they're welcome in my house. Yeah yeah, and welcome in my home. Yeah. There you go. There you go it separate wings. This is my house. That wing is my home. You can't go over there, but you can come into the house anyways. So there An there's spending ninety eight thousand dollars a month. That is crazy amount to just be on on renovations for their home. On Rolex, watches, wines, they built a pretty big wine collection, pianos like grand pianos. He's got the welch m kid. Now it's wine. Yeah, now it's wine. It's been there for so long. He's like, you know, this wine reminds me of my best friend before I buried her. Put Tammy down. Yeah. So uh and then his wife surprise, I'm making it through this so well. By the way, we just put our cat down. Yeah, people were listening to this. It'll be like a month and a half later, but yeah, yeah, we just put our cat for you guys. Yeah. I wanted to do it. Uh. They told us in January that he wasn't going to make it this year, and so I was like, okay, if we can just get him through the birthdays, will be great. But I wanted to put him down three days before Easter. Yeah, just in case, just in case our cat might be christ there's no knowing. You don't know for sure, for sure, for sure until you put your cat down on Good Friday, and then you know for sure that weekend, whatever happens. And we did put him down on Friday. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens. But the only one waking up in your house on Sunday morning was me, Oh, yeah, you were at my house. I don't like that. So I don't like that you saw how rich we are. I only let you in my house to see home. So they and his wife was buying new cars. But remember trying to be a little covert with this, Like they're buying a lot of stuff, but they're not being like super flaunty, like they didn't buy a new home. They're renovating their home a bunch. Sure, they're collecting wines, They're getting a lot of watches. He's buying all these like Nimon Marcus suits. He has a personal shopper at Nemon Marcus and they actually had to terminate their contract with Niman Marcus with the personal shopper because he bought everything that they had to sell him, which apparently is a thing that can happen. But he's wearing all this nice personal shopper. They were like, good job he bought the whole That's like whenever you get the stitch fix and you get a twenty percent discount for buying the whole box, you know, yeah, good job you use my code stitch fix. So yeah, they he had all these nice suits and he told his coworkers that was Walmart, which I mean I feel like they knew. I feel like they looked at that and they're like, you didn't buy that at Walmart. Yeah, I mean you could buy some cheap suits and then get like, you know, get them tailored for Yeah, and that I guess that's that is the thing with a suit, like a suit, there's not a lot of like indicating factors from the exterior of a suit to tell you that that is a very high value site other than it looks good. But like you said, you could buy a Walmart suit, go get it tailored, and change everything about it, and then people might say, hey, that's a cheap suit for Walmart. Do you have a suit? Yeah, I've got a couple of suits. You have a couple of suits. That baby blue one. I got that baby blue one. I have two black ones and I have two gray ones. I need to throw that blue one away. That's my favorite suit. When did you get that? Did you get that for a I did get that for your wedding. That's my favorite one's suit. Where'd you buy it? Joseph A Bank? I think I caught him. Oh my gosh, Joseph A Bank. Yeah. Did you like the way you looked Men's warehouse? Yeah? Yeah, for Jessee Bank. Okay, anyway, anyways about mine from China? What I went to China dot com? It's China China and uh no, I did. I bought my suit and it like it's just made in China. And the mails to you I got interesting. Okay. Anyway, what are you are you looking up China dot com? What does it go to? I don't know. I'm not actually going there, but I'm checking on go dot if it's available. It's not available. You don't know that for sure. You know what is available? What is threads dot biz? Yeah, but it's like a thousand dollars. It's insane to me that they didn't buy all of those because that's kind of like Meta's thing is to like screw the little guy and kill everybody. Yeah, China dot com is taken. Bye, go to China. See, I bet it's parked. Yeah, it's just parked. So I mean we could if we probably pay a lot join us on Patreon so we can buy China. Yeah, there's some interesting recommendations that's giving me to go along with China. It is a little like who never mind anyways, So he's buying all these suits, Marcus is like, we're out of stuff to sell you. His wife is his wife. Now his wife is embrace spending money. Yeah, but his wife is also like, they're they're still trying to stay a little, a little under the radar. No they're not. They're spending one point two million dollars. They're trying to stay under the radar. And so what she does one hundred grand a month. She has a like a light blue Mercedes benz and and every year she upgrades the new year, but she gets the exact same color, and so she's like, everyone don't think it's the same Mercedes bins And she actually one year she ordered the new Mercedes Benz. They dropped it off at the house and picked it the other one and it was a new shade of blue. It is midnight blue, not like turquoise blue. And so she was like, take it back. I need She's like, send it back, I need a light blue. Sit it back. To say that, To say that to a Mercedes Benz is the craziest thing ever. Okay, with money you don't earn at this point, he's never really even working, right, I mean, yeah, he's working because because the second he stops working, like the ruses up, like he's got to be doing his job, and like they've got to, you know, trust him, and so they and now they're they start traveling. Uh, they're taking trips on private jets. They go to Santa Fe, New Mexico, Aspen, Colorado, and Napa, California. Honestly, probably could have picked some better destinations to fly to, but they're flying all over the place. We are. Actually do have a nice picture of him and his wife her name's Kay, on a private jet together. This is a selfie. You can see the mir I was gonna say, is there another couple up front? No, No, that's a mirror in the background. You can see the pilots in the front two up there. He seems like the type that would lean onto his wife. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, he does. He does seem like a leaner. What is interesting, though, now that I'm looking at this, I am a little throned. I just mean like she probably drives. Yeah, couples. What I'm saying, couples were the female drives. I'll trust them. It is it is because here's the thing. Let's hear it, Garrison. No, I'm just saying, I want to say a way to laugh. Let's hear your hot take. I'm just saying to I'm just saying I'm trying to find a good way to say this. I'm just saying, a husband who could ride in the car with his wife and not a seat drive. That's an impressive quality. Okay, but to be fair, I don't think i'm actat drive. A husband who can watch his wife do something without correcting her or man's planning it to her. What a skill. It is impressive. It is impressive. Yeah, so he's got that going from I guess, actually, we don't even know that this is. I'm just saying, like I'm too big to lean on my wife, like I'm not, I can't. You know you weren't judging him. Yeah, it was just it was I was like it. I took it as you were judging him. No, I was just saying like, you know, yeah, I don't let my wife. My wife drives places. I'm saying that I don't let my wife drive. If we go somewhere, typically I drive. Yeah, which is pretty common comment. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. When I was growing up, my dad always drove. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Interesting anyways, Uh, so they're traveling a lot of place one day, so my mom could read her books in the passenger seat and be like, oh she got scared. She's reading. Yeah, she's reading. Your dad fell asleep. The other guy here, okay, so uh and then I mean it's I have an anxiety disorder. So one day, Bob, did your parents overshare with you? No, they were actually pretty strict about undershare. Told yeah, it's a lot of our house was on fire, and they wanted to tell me. They were like they were like, hey, close your eyes, it's hot. It's okay, houses on fire of us, you know, not to worry of close your eyes. Just pretend it's not real anyway. This is weird. Hey, if you need a boost of confidence, let me give you a quick hack. Just wear a shirt size bigger than you usually do. You know what I'm saying. Right now, you're wearing large, and just buy an excel, you know, and we have plenty of sizes available in our merch store. If you got a tilling dot com and so that'll help you boost your confidence overnight. Is that good? Can I say that? You can say whatever you want. That's taling dot com slash merchuh. So one day Bob McNutt, that's his name. Everybody wasn't kidding. Bob McNutt, the CEO, is looking at the expense report and he's like, man, our profits have been so bad the last few years. And he's like, he's like, I can't figure out why. He's like, we're just not selling enough fruitcakes. Apparently, kind of looking at things with the fine tooth comb. He sees, man, twenty thousand dollars on stamps. There's a lot of money on stamps. He calls in the marketing director and he's like, did you spend twenty thousand dollars on these stamps for this marketing campaign and she's like no, She's like, I did not spend that much money on stamps. So he calls Sandy in and he says, Sandy, is this right and Sandy says yeah. Sandy looks at it. He says, ah, he said probably not. It was probably miscategorized. I'll go check and fix it in the books. And Bob was like, okay, cool, thanks, and he goes and he fixes it and no more questions. They're in a situation where Bob and the rest of the top brass of this company recognizes that they are low, but they're not low enough where it's going to hurt the company like terribly, Like their profits are lower than normal, they're still profitable, sure, And there he's categorizing these things on like a wide net across the company to realistic expenses, where it's like when you look at the expense report, you're like, this seems a touch high from what we normally would do, but like it's believable. You had this project going on here, this thing going on here, and so it goes under the radar for years and years and years, and then one year they said, okay, uh, we're starting to kind of write the ship a little bit. We see our profit turn up a little bit. I think we need to grow our operation. And they said, let's bring in a second accountant to help Sandy out, not because they had any Oh I would suck. If you're Sandy and you go to your desk one day, you show up and you're like, fraud, fraud, fraud, work, more work, more work, more more work. I wish I was at a grave site. How do I get moorg? And then someone else sits down and you go, who are you? And they and they're like, I know, my parents said, you know I wanted to be I want to Tammothy. Let me make the jokes that I set up Aquifer, don't say it like that. So this new accountant is like, hey, I'm the new accountant, and he's like that, and he says, he says, you don't want to know the people I know, because then he was playing your wife. Hey, by the way, the money is well, here's the thing, here's the thing. His wife still doesn't know exactly what's happening. So the whole time, his wife never knew how, but all of a sudden, the money is just he just told he just told her, Hey, so we're doing well. Don't tell the I R s. When I die, it's going to stop. That's what I told her. And I die, it's gonna stop. Sandy, are you in danger? When danger knocks? I am the one who knocks. Okay, Sandy, say it, Sandy. So this new account comes in and uh, Sandy and the new accountant are counting sure. And then one day the account's going through and starts noticing some of the transactions aren't making sense, noticing some of these voided checks. And then the accountant goes to Bob and says, hey, hey, I think Sandy's stealing a bunch of money from the company. And Bob says, are you sure about that? And the other account's like, I'm pretty sure about that, And they're like, how much money do you think he's stolen from the company? And the new account's like, I'm pretty sure it's I don't know if I had the guests about sixteen million, seven hundred and sixty six thousand, six hundred and forty five dollars over the last nine years what And Bob's like, he sends Sandy in here please, okay. So they fire him on the spot, and then they call the police. The police call the FBI. Sandy meanwhile gets in his lexus, drives home, gets grocery bags full of stuff. And I don't know exactly what his plan was here, but this rolex watches fine wines, collectibles in grocery bags, in grocery bags, and he's driving around, of course of kind of throwing them in ponds and in the park and like baring them in places all over town, just throwing rolexes and stuff out the window, like ditching them all over town. And then he why, I don't know, I genuinely have not. Kids are playing in the street. Oh roll X, they know, yeah, They're like, I got a roll anyway, Dad will talk to me. This is this is my new evening role X. And so he's going aroundtown ditching all this stuff, and then he goes home. He gets his wife, another kid gets hit with a bottle of wine. He gets his wife and he says, hey, we're going on a trip. And then she's He says, grab all this stuff you want to keep forever, everything else you're probably never gonna see again. Do say goodbye to everything you know. And so they go to Galveston with all their favorite prized stolen belongings, and they fly out to Galveston, and like hours before they leave, the FBI shows up and just starts boxing up all their stuff leaving, And so the neighborhoods watching as their boxes tell that guy's FBI because of sunglasses. Yeah, yeah, you would have no I if it weren't for that. They're pretty good at being undercover, and so they they're already gone. They see a bunch of the property. They're gone. They're in Galveston. They sees a bunch of their property, and then and then they camp out for a little bit until they come home. And then later they come back and they arrest them, and they take all this stuff and they throw in a state sale in his house and they say and they say, look, here's the deal. We were able to recover about four million dollars worth of goods. And they said, here you go calling Street Bakery, sell it. And so they set up a bake sale and buy all this stuff sale, buy all this stuff. It's garage sale. It's a garage sale to make up the millions of dollars that were stolen from None of that fit on the sign. But as the town came out to really more than anything. See all the stuff that they sold the stole. And so they came through the town and bobbing Nutt was walking through the sale being like, buy everything, buy as much as you can. Buy some stuff, and he's like, want a fruitcake? We have some fruitcake too. Well, you guys want some rolexes. We got some rolexes. We got some cars. Do you guys want a car? You know, it's trying to get just liquidated as much as they could. And so they end up getting uh, you know, like indicted on this right, and they're ordered to pay uh restitution in the amount of twelve point six million dollars because that was the leftover from what they were able to sell. Yeah, they're never going to be able to make up that because the money stole money. Anyways, Kay, she gets uh one count of like conspiracy to cover up someone with doing mail fraud. Basically, it's not the charge conspiracy to cover from some mail fraud. It's fuzy to cover up someone doing mail fraud. The jury defending guilty like that, no, And so she gets five years probation. She has like a fine of like fifteen hundred dollars and she Also part of her sentence was never allowed to drive a Bloo Mercedes again, only midnight Bloo Mercedes from now on. She had one hundred dollars community service. And then she had to write an apology letter to the bakery. I'm sorry, Bakery. I'd rather burn to the ground. Listen if I if something ever happened where like all of a sudden they're like, we want you to write an apology letter. I need she needs you to know that I'm not going to not going to do that. And if you ever seen an apologies letter for me, it's it's not mine, it's not mine. Yeah, that's that's like the guy who found the conspiracy against Boeing and was like was like, I am in good mental health. Yeah, and then for you it's just an a letter. I am in mental health. Well sorry, Jared, Sorry I stole your stuff Colan Golan, Which it's crazy to be because she never really knew was what was actually happening, what was happening, but no, what was happening. Yeah, but it's crazy that she had apologized the bakery because it's like she didn't know he was stealing for the bakery. I mean she bought a good guess that he was stealing for the bakery. He, on the other hand, got ten years in prison. That's it, yeah, but worth it. Well. He got ten years in prison and then he died in prison in twenty nineteen, so he technically got life from prison by default. But throughout the whole, the whole like nine year thing. They bought multiple lexuses, Lexuses, Lexin, Lexi, multiple Lexi, and Mercedes Benz, a Bentley, a Porsche. They traveled all over the world in private jets. They actually, let me see, there's a number here. There's gotta be parents at my wife's school. Who are They spent three point three million on private flights, two hundred and twenty three private flights, three point three million reached in flights. They renovated pretty much the whole house they had. But this seems kind of modest. A fifty thousand dollars wine collection. That seems like a modest wine collection. Everything also, well, all things considered in this case, that's a pretty modest wine collection for them. Sorry, I said a yawn. I couldn't hold it in. I just got hold in this yard from this boring wine collection they had. Okay, listen to this another gmc denale a bmw X fifty three. Those are all the same time. They were just buying different vehicles selling o them. Yeah, over the course of the time that they had five hundred and thirty two luxury items, which includes forty one bracelets, fifteen pairs of cuff links, twenty one pairs of earrings, sixteen furs, sixty one handbags for five days, nine sets of pearls. Yeah, fifty five rings. I know what you're trying to do, eight watches, and then yeah, the wine collection, a Steinway piano, which are apparently really nice. They are. I know that because I'm cultured, because I'm cultured. Yeah, whatever, I listened to Broadway musicals. Can we talk for a second about No, okay, can we talk for a second about now. They say, when you're in court and you're guilty and you have your plea, they say, pleaded is the past tense of that, but that should be pled. And I'm honestly very mad that pled is not the past tense of plea. Pleaded pled? It should be pled? We say pled, he pled guilty? Yeah, but apparently that's wrong. Pleaded, Alex, what do you think? Okay? Yeah, take your time, buddy, don't don't weigh in so fast. Really chomping at the bit to talk about pled I've never had a strong opinion about that. I have such a strong opinion. You have opinions about much, though, Why don't you give us one of your strong opinions? According to According to grammarly, it's not too serious apparently, although the argument in question is a very heated one and it shows no signs of cooling down. The word at the heart of the controversy is the past tense of the word two. Oh my gosh. It's like, this is like when you open a recipe and you're like, this is for my grandma, and always just stop reading all this stuff. Just get to the part where it's okay. So both of them are correct, sort of, that's what they say. All right, I guess you could do either. But I guess I guess lawyers think it's pleaded. Lawyers say pleaded, probably because it makes it sound like so in court he pleaded. The second he pleaded, I'm gonna plead the second, you're honor I pladed. All right, what what's what is? So? Yeah? So they they went to jail for this. Here's here's the exciting thing. There is a movie out there. There's actually a documentary on Discovery Plus. You can watch that. It's called Fruitkick Fraud. And there's a movie. There's a movie now in pre production called Fruitcake and that should be coming out soon as a drama recreation of this. They're recasting it. It was supposed to be Will Ferrell, but I think he learned about it and was like, I'm doing that, so I don't want to. But that's the best cover up is if you're doing movie about yeah, you gotta do the movie. No. No, I was doing the crimet practicing. I was practice. I pleaded the fiddle off. Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you liked it, you might like Joe Lowe an episode we did a while back about a guy who had a pretty big fraud, honestly a lot bigger than this one. It was like an investment fraud, crazy story, lots of private flights around the world and just the whole nine. It's a really really good fraud story. And if you like the show, a great way to support is by supporting us on Patreon. You can see next week's episode a week early. Join a discord with our host and our producers, a bunch of other great perks, or a really good easy way to support the show is leave a comment, or subscribe or any of that stuff that all the YouTubers tell you. But we'll see you again next week for another episode of Things Out on the Last Night

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06-04-24

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Hey, this week we talk about a guy who's snuck onto a deserted island at Disney World. So there is an island at Disney World that they just they used to have an attraction out there. They closed it down, and then a lot of people have been trying to sneak out there, and this guy was like, they've got mysterious things out there, they're hiding from us, and he was determined to get out there. So we talked all about the history of the island, all the attempts to get out there, and then this one specific guy who did not get away with it. And we're doing podcasts work comedy podcast where we teach you some stuff that I learned literally last night. So it's not like you're learning a lot, but you're you're learning a lot of time. We're gonna have fun. Yeah, you got any shows coming up? This comes to June fourth. Okay, summer is empty, so the fall is very busy, but I can't talk about those yet. Yeah, but for now it's just just you and me. Well yeah, slow summer man, thanks for bringing it up. You're welcome. Let's do the episode. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Richard McGuire, Richard McGuire, Is that is that Mark's legal name? No? Is that? Oh? Shoot, I blanked out of the Tom Cruise movie McGuire. Uh what's his name in that? Uh? Lizzie McGuire. Yes, Cruise played Lizzy McGuire and none of us realized. Just roll it. We're gonna try to get through this one today. Anyways. Well, you're maybe you've heard of this? Have you ever heard of Discovery Island? Is it Toby maguire? Who is that? What? I'm getting a bunch of names mixed up in my head right now. I don't know what to I don't know what to tell you. Have you heard of Richard McGuire? No? Have you heard of Discovery Island? Yes? Have you heard of this? Southern Island? Is that place you go to on a third grade field trip where they do you like, put your hand on the ORB thing and all your hair stands up and okay, yeah, I could see the science center type of Discovery center Discovery Island? Yeah, if they put it on. Do you guys have a Discovery center in Denver? We had like a children's museum, okay, the same as Discovery center, you know, what Discovery Center is because you were in Springfield. Okay, yes, okay, I forgot that you were in Springfield at some point. Have you heard of the Southern Southern Pirate? Is that who Anthony McGuire is? No, Richard McGuire. Richard McGuire, Yeah, Richard McGuire. He's also known as the Southern Pirate. He's a YouTuber and we're gonna get to him in a minute, but first we got to talk about Disney's Discovery Island. Yeah, so Disney in uh wait, is there a pirate of the Disney Island? Let me guess how the rest? There's all these trees. They discontinued the ferry. They forgot one small boy out there. He has lived out there since nineteen ninety nine and he's raised by the Exotic Animal Raid. Well, they took the animals. Yeah, no, they left. Yeah, I went one day. They went back out there, and he started throwing spears at him. Things I learned last night. All right, So Discovery Island. Discovery Island opened up in April eighth, nineteen seventy four. Yeah, and it was an island in the center of like Disney's Little Lake that they got in Disney World, you know, the little lake in the middle. Yeah, So they got the island right in the middle, and it's a natural, naturally formed island, and they said, what if we turned this also into a park and they so what they did is they did and so on April eighth, nineteen seventy four, they opened up Discovery Island and basically you would pay for your ticket price and then you would ride the boat across the lake, okay in a little ferry boat, and then you get off and then you could tour the island. And on the island they just had like a bunch of exotic animals and stuff. It was it was an island zoo Animal Kingdom before. Yeah, And ironically it was open until a year after Animal Kingdom opened. They opened Animal Kingdom April eight Discovery Island and then they were like, they're like, we like the island better, and they were like, no, you don't, yeah, and they're like, there is no island. So I do appreciate it about Disney is that Disney can just be like no, no, you don't. Yeah. You know, they just bought like well they guess got approved to expand disney Land. Uh. Yeah, they're going to cross like two city blocks into the parking lot. Well, they're going to make some new parking lots and then they're going to make like a frozen area and a school, like a Mawana area. Oh that's fun. Oh cool, Like there just like two different sides of the scale, gotten cold. They have a Katy Perry the middle. Yeah, Mowana is the volcano. Right. Oh? I thought you were gonna say, Okay, I know is. I haven't seen ma Wana to be honest, Is that right, Alex? It's it's Hawaii, right, yeah, I think it's Hawaii. Yeah. What did you say, alex as kids? Yeah we yeah, we know that about them. Yes. No. Oh speaking of Alex, I at my barber yesterday saw a fundraiser for the Boy Scouts, And I'll tell you what they do, Alex. They just sell beef jerky now, oh, and not the good stuff like slim gyms, off brand, off brands, fat Joe's. They weren't Boy Scouts brand. I'm sure that's what it is. I'm sure it's their brand of but it's not like it doesn't say like boy Scout jerky. There's no good way to trying to be like can't say that out loud. Yeah. Yeah, there's none of them that work. There's none of them that passed. Eagle stick, Eagle eatles, Eagle Eagle eatles. That was not bad. That was not bad, isn't it? So? Anyway, So Discovery Island opens in seventies and then is open into when did Animal Kingdom? Animal? We should just do a whole thing on Disney World, you know, it's how much we did a whole thing on Epcot. Yeah, one, and we did a whole thing on Walt Disney. Right, Yeah, we've got a lot of Disney episodes. Maybe we can I'm saying, created a Disney playlist lean into it. So no, Animal Kingdom opened April twenty second, nineteen ninety eight, and Discovery Island closed April eighth, nineteen ninety nine, So it literally was opened for one more year. And they realized pretty quickly. They're like, oh, we kind of cannibalized that other park we made by opening it. I don't know if they knew that from the start. That's immediately what I knew. They should hire me. Yeah, well, I'm big. If you're listening to this, when does this come out? This one will come out geez in a while. June fourth, June fourth, that's still this quarter, right, yeah, I'll say next quarter he's gonna be out of here. So their their earnings report wasn't very good, and they're switching to streaming and we're talking stocks now, yeah we are. This is a stock We are Grown the Stock podcast. Yeah, we both turned thirty. So Discovery Island was open for a little bit. Yes, you could go see exotic animals and birds and stuff like that. You could you could roll up to their docks and presented by frisky Did you've notice that in the picture Discovery Island presented by Friskies cat food. And so then it just sat abandoned since ninety nine, right, obviously, yeah, obviously. Well here's the deal. If you're on the shore of the lake, you just see this pretty island, you don't see that it's abandoned. Yeah, Like there's a park in there. Because if they discn the fairy, if you look at it, let me guess how the rest of it. All these trees, they discontinued the fairy. They forgot one small boy out there. He has lived out there since nineteen ninety nine and he's raised by the exotic animals. Right, well they took the animals. Yeah, no, they left him. Oh it was kind of a quick shutdown. Yeah, they went one day, they went back out there and he started throwing spears at him, and really the only way they found him was there was it was a it was an eighteen year old who was like, I want to evangelize this lost people group and uh he was swimming spared the chest, Yeah he did. Yeah. Yeah, well you're really close, I should say shockingly close. So here's what happened. It was it's been in sat Abandon since ninety nine. In the early two thousands, there was a movement on blog spot you remember blog spot, Yeah, for urban exploring. They called urbex quick thing on a blog spot. Yeah. Are you aware that open ai like chat is pulling information from like blogspot blogs. Yeah, I would assume, so it's pull it from everywhere, and so I would assume that's right. Yeah, which means that when you ask chat gipt a question, it's pulling information from blogs. Yeah, some random dudes blog, which is like, do we could just I mean, who even like Wikipedia's monitored blogspot, No one's going to read that. We could put insane stuff out there, and then chat shipt will start telling people that for real, that's a legitimate concern but also opportunity. Uh so, I mean a lot of people are like, oh, we're so afraid of AI. I'm not afraid of AI if you're on the right side of the war. Okay, there's Oh people are going to become tyrants with AI. Yeah, yeah, they we are. You got nothing to be afraid of if you're one of the tyrants. Clip it. Okay. So so early two thousands, blog spots popping off, and one of the subgroups in blog spot is urbeks and exploring abandoned places, and this became urbex stands for urban exploration, which is interesting because they're they're exploring abandoned places, so I feel like they're missing the a It should be baba are bab bex or bad becks because it's abandoned. It's only abandoned that they're exploring, so urban abandoned. You get the point. This became kind of like a crown Jewel achievement for urbeks people on the spot because here's the deal you get you can't get in. Yeah, Disney's like highly secure because the point of the Urbs Exploration is like you're going and you're posting a blog post. When you post that blog post, you want to be the only person who's been to this place. Yeah, it's an abandoned spot that no one else has got to. So that's like what everyone's trying to target is like I want to find some cool place that most people can't get to. So theme parks really quickly became kind of like one of the like crown jewels from people's Yeah, I mean kind of any place that's tough to get in where it's like they got gates, maybe security or anything like that. Each Southwest Airlines. I want to get on that plate. That's what Marilyn was doing. Been sounds like a prescription drug that you should consult your doctor about twice daily. Ibsen. Yeah, maybe you get herbex here, you get herbs here. Okay, So they they really wanted to get here because one it's on DISNEYLANDSSON that is like I've heard of it, Uh no, No. The other one there was another one Celebration City. Okay, Yeah, so there's a castle, like a castle, there's like a venue that's like the out there steerors shaded their castle yeah, you had definitely seen beause remember we showed the videos of that big wooden roller coaster getting torn down. That was brains in that celebration city. Anyway, a church now leases the building. I have to get to the church, you have to walk through the closed theme park, and it's a little eerie, to be honest. That is pretty dope, honestly though. Yeah. Yeah, And they have like the choir in the park, but they're at a different spot every Sunday, and they like hide them and they're singing hurt choir. I was what theme park had a choir? What are you talking about? Okay, they haven't let the choir go. It closed down. The choir has a choir still, that is like in a theme park castle. Yeah, but they hide them around the park, so every time you come in, you don't know where they are. You just hear them singing in the distance, just the choir singing some old hymn halo. Yeah, and they only sunrise services, so it's like by the time while you're getting there, still dark out right, the bats are still flying around. Okay, So anyway, I'm sorry, I trying to bring anything up. Okay, So people are trying how many people? Okay, yah, yeah, So so here here's the reasons why it's exciting. One, it's on disney World property. Still, Like, disney World wraps around this lake, and so to get in, you have to get into disney World. But if you've ever been to disney World where there's gonna be alligators in that water. Yeah, so if you if you get to Disney Old sorry, if you get to disney World property, you know, hey, you can get to the lake. Okay, parking lots, you know, hey, like it's just parking lots. But so you can get to the lake pretty easily. But there are fairies moving all over this lake because that's one way to transport between the parks. As you could ride the fairies to the other parks. Sure you have. Well, I mean, I guess this is an option one. Sorry, I'm not one. I'm sious no one has tried that, but I guess that is an option. I mean, that's it's pretty not conspicuous because the ferry drivers are all like, hey there, little silker stuff. Yeah, I guess you're right. Their guests probably like hey, somebody, hey, someone jumped off. I think I think that guy's going to Discovery Island. But yeah, you're right, there are gators in this water, and it's like it's like it's like well documented that there's gaters in this water. They attack people. Really at disney World, it has happened. How many times have people gotten bitten by alligators at disney World? Not a lot. Well, this last one, this last one was actually a really bad one. That was really sad. And so then they like purged the lake of alligators. They said there's no more in there. Whether that's true or not, I don't know whether they how they could know for sure that there's no more because of the water feeds out and so I don't know. Maybe they put some grapes up. But a gator did nab a kid from the shore recently. And then that disney World. Yeah, and then they went on like a campaign. It was like a couple of years ago, and they went on a campaign to like rid the that lake of gators. Oh that's what they did. Yeah, it was really really sad. But at the early two thousands, this was crawling with gaters and allegedly bull sharks and snapping turtles. Snapping turtles makes sense, Yeah, And so this is a dangerous, la. This is not a lake. You want to lake a lake? Day, I meant put them all in there. Well, it was like, okay, let them get to my island. The island was a good spot for Walt to hide his stuff. Still is Yeah, interesting, interesting, he's out there. He's singing the hymns on Discovery Highlands alone. Well, couldn't keep a tune. What's that sound? Is secure? Watching the park later night? What's that sound? We're pretty sure it's Walt Disney. They did go, you know, because that he gave He gave the alliators rabies to just to make them a little more. He was subjected him. Here's here's Herba Becksen, Herba bes Rba Mexan. Yeah, presented by friskies. So this is a tough island to get to. And allegedly there's cameras everywhere. Do people try? Like? How many people failed? Is what I want to know. I down, I clearly a guy made. I can't tell you how many people fail, but I can't tell you that. In two thousand and four, the first explorer was a guy by the name of Shane Perez, and he was a prominent er Er Bexer from the blog spot days and he was smart. So, uh, he snuck out there. And this was kind of an early so what I should say, he had the benefit of being the first person to try this, and being the first person to try this was before Disney World realized people wanted to try this. Okay, okay, okay, so you know exactly what that means. So he heard the rumors about it, and he wanted to see over there, and he tried a couple different times to sneak over there, and he realized, Okay, getting across this lake is really tough because of all the fairies. I'm going to have to sky dive in. Oh my gosh, No, these guys don't have that kind of resources. Okay, And so yeah, he wanted he he wanted to get across on boat, on a boat. But he's like, He's like, I don't think there's any way you could get across this boat without getting seen by some of the fairies or security on wo Okay, Well, I mean it's it's wow, you're not you don't have to get into the park. And honestly, also, let's look, let's looking what's that for? Uh, splash mountain splash, I brought my own toboggan. I'm sorry, I brought my own toboggan. I brought my own It's okay. I thought I was supposed to. That's what it said on the thing. That's what my mom always told me when we came, and she was, we can't ride that. We didn't bring our own toboggan. That I'm saying out loud. I realized that we want me to ride it, deal with all that stuff. But this is a good boat. I don't want to. Can I please just carry it with me to pass pro that you can't bring about in the park unless it's clear, you can only bring a clearer boat. So he he was, I can't take the bat. I'm gonna have to swim, and uh so he tries it. He swims, He gets a bunch of waterproof bags by an alligator, and he makes it across and he takes a bunch of photographs and he gets the first ever photograph from within a Discovery Island. And it's a little decrupid. I mean, it's been abandoned for five years. At this point he can see he really just left it out there. Yeah, they just pieced out and there's he's find some cool stuff like signage and posters, posts a bunch of pictures, and everyone's like, oh, that's interesting. Here's the thing. And then he hears a what does that sound? And he says, I better keep this to myself. Better never speak of this again. I really wanted to find an island boy. You know, this is where the Island Boys came from. Discover Discovery kid that's been on the island for five years. Yeah, living off the land. He's got a little farm that he's built. He played Minecraft, so it's a lot harder in your life. He's been punching the walls. Minecraft isn't rewarding for him anymore. Maybe that's what we should talk about, you know, wre wire. Young adult men so gravitated toward video games is because they can succeed at video games. Ah yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but they can't succeed succeed in real life. That's an interesting point. I like video games. Okay, so uh he gets there, He takes all these pictures. Whatever, Right, here's the deal. This guy, he's got a noggin. He knew that Florida's statute of limitations was four years and so he waited five years to post his pictures. Oh lot to leave statute of limitations. I could stay I could stay here. So he posted these in two thousand and nine. Yeah, he waited five years to post his pictures, and his pictures were the most infamous pictures we've got. He got them in very early pictures. Okay, and so Disney obviously they found out and they were pretty upset about this. But the problem was he did it five years ago. Yeah. It was like, oh, statute of limitations, and Disney's like, well, you can't ever come to our parks. Pretty wild, But that's just a thing. It's like, yeah, hey, five years ago, I did a crime and you can't do anything about it. Now you're like, what I waited? Yeah, Also a four year statute of limitation, that'd be like, that's not very long. Four years is not long at all. That's a degree. 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If not, thanks for being here. We really just we love making the show and we hope you enjoy watching it. It's not the tics. He doesn't have any illegal ramifications, but Disney is still like this can never come to a park again, You can never go to anything everything, And so he got way till you close, so he gets banned. I'll explore your parks when you're no longer around. Uh. Then there was a guy in two thousands seven. So this is before he posted his pictures. Okay, so this is the first known person to get on, but he wasn't the first person to get on. But he made the mistake of posting it. Well, he made the mistake of working for Disney. His name was Nomius, Nomius in no pronounces word n O M e u s. No maus so biblical, which is perfect because this is a betrayal. So no maus. He worked for Disney, and so he was he was an inside man. I like no Maus way better. And he and his friends borrowed some of Disney's boats uh during overnight uh, and they voted across, got a bunch of pictures, posted some stuff, wrote the blog post, but it got deleted, which is sensible. He worked there, They they they clearly found out that he did it, and he didn't signed no Mayus. Ticketing director at disney World's Animal Kingdom signs in parentheses, also known as Bob Iger signs friend of Mickey. That's what they said. That's like a title. There is actually handler is a friend. Oh, that's the person. So the person not the person in the they're not allowed to call them costumes or like because that's really Mickey, And so if you're a friend of Mickey, you are the person in the Yeah, who they think they're forn children, I think primarily is who they're trying to full of me. Disney. Well, you're in an old Kaines so Disney. Uh he gets on, Well, no, no, Maeus, no, Mayeus gets on the island. He explores to take some pictures post as sure. And here's the deal about both him and Shane. If they they went right before sundown and they just stayed while they had some sunlight, sure, and so they didn't get to explore the fly and it's a pretty big island. They didn't get to explore the whole thing, and they always wanted to go back, but they kind of had, you know, all right, So here's the satellite view of it. Oh okay, is that the island I'm assuming? Yeah, right in the middle of Bay Lake there. You can't see Animal Kingdom because it's a different area. But Animal Kingdom is probably about as big as if you look down by the Four Seasons Golf sports Club there, that whole area with all those like little streets there. Yeah, that's like the size of Animal Kingdom. Okay, And so the other parts that you can see the Magic Kingdom right there are is pretty small compared to that whole area is this. Yeah, but I mean if you if you look at that island and move it over Magic Kingdom, it's about like, I don't know, probably thirty percent of Magic Kingdom. It's pretty big. Yeah, it's the largish island, Okay, okay, okay, Yeah, that's where I was kind of trying to put together. And and really the way people are trying to get here is from the Wilderness Lodge, the docks at the Wilderness Lodge, or the docks at the contemporary resort. Oh, it's because in but you can get there's a closer edge of it. There is a closer edge, but you can't get to that as easily, is the problem. Like it's really easy to get to the Wilderness Lodge of the contemporary resort. This back here is a neighborhood and so like, and I'm making sure it's as like private access roads and stuff like that. Sure, and then there's that's like a wooded area between the neighborhood. But then there's this stream that comes out right. So in theory, if you could get to that stream. If you could boat it, you could boat your way and yeah, yeah, but that's pretty I mean this is a closed lake, you know, right, and so like getting into it, people would see you and think, why are you here? Probably the faerry pilots do you call them pilots or conductors or of the captains of the fairies captains, yeah, captains, maybe fairies. Just just call them fairies, the fairy fairies, friend of the fairy, friend of the fairy. Did they make them dress up like fairies? That would be a little too on the nose for Disney. They're on the nose, but they're not on the nose, you know, they're on the ears. So what they did sometimes there's a lot of talk I go hilla and this eventually wow, hope. So Nomius didn't get any legal no maas sorry, didn't get any legal ramifications. He got fired and he did get banned from Disney property. But he was, as far as Disney knew, the first person to do this. Then a couple of years ago, Shane put out his footage and they were like freak man, and they're like, let's take legal action. And then law was like, sorry, been too long. I guess and they're like, that's it's crazy fa Yeah, And so long story short, there was a handful of more people, handful of other people who started trying to make it, and people would get caught along the swim, or they take a boat, they get hot in the boat. Some people managed to make it all the way on the island and get a handful of pictures, but they didn't last long on the island. It was always a situation where nobody ever managed to explore the full island. Okay, and then came Hill. Our friend Richard McGuire Southern Pirate, and Richard McGuire he had a YouTube channel where he would do outdoorsy stuff. He called himself the Southern Pirate, and so his whole YouTube channel was him catching turtles and talking about him and like doing like outdoor living type of Florida bear grills. Yeah, actually very accurate. And so here's a picture of our Southern Pirate. He had a youth track. He had a YouTube channel and he would just go out in the woods in Florida, and to be honest, this might have just been in like a wooded area right off a highway, and then he would film it and do make YouTube videos about it. Sure, he had one other thing going for him though, that helped him become very successful on YouTube. He has a couple of YouTube videos that have like multimillion views. And the thing that he had going for them. I wonder if you could guess, actually, what do you think it was? What do you think it was? Wait? Is it? He has something going for him? Yeah, he had another thing that he did with his content. He did this Southern pirate stuff, but he did another thing that kind of helped him really, Like what year is this? This is he started in I think twenty seventeen, this event was twenty twenty. Aliens uh close. He's a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, and he would talk about his conspiracies on his channel, so he had these to be out in there. He'd be like, this is a turtle. You know, this is all the stuff you're going to find in Florida. You know what else you're gonna find in Florida. Because the reason I'm showing you all these lizards so you can identify them when they're in their camouflage suits. Take a look at yourself in the mirror. What time I look at myself and for a second, I was like, it's not my own eyes. Am I a lizard man? Can't trust nobody. The second you trust yourself, it's over for you. Yeah, you trust yourself, that means you're gonna trust someone else. If you trust yourself, that just means you you're relying solely on your self control. And so here's the deal with he was a little bit of a conspiracy. Conspiracy was he putting out? Well? It was interesting the way he did that because he would do he would do wilderness outside video and then he would do a video with no video. It was just his logo, his little Southern pirate logo, and then audio of him telling you about this. It's just like a YouTube podcast where take hate and it's like Relliant like there always like swallowing the microphone. Sure, anyway, I was looking at the other day and I was googling some stuff and it's like, come on, You're like, oh my goodness. Yeah. And so he was pretty deep into the Illuminati for sure. Probably talked about the Denver International Airport once or twice, okay, And one of his favorite talks was Walt Disney's connection to the Illuminati. And he was like He's like, he was an illuminator. Is that what was he thinking? Yes? Was he thinking there was something on this island. Yeah, So he was pretty convinced that they shut the island down due to hold on, are you ready for this dramatic effect. He was pretty convenent that they were trying to revive dinosaurs on the island and they succeeded, and the dinosaurs, he was like, got loose. Literally Jurassic Park. He was like, the dinosaur got loose. He's like everything they show you in movies is just a reflection of real life. There's there's making it so that you get comfortable with the idea that dinosaurs exist, so that they can roll out and be like real. Yeah, he's like, the dinosaur got loose, and it was like a big dinosaurs, like one of the veloci raptors, the little ones you know. Yeah, it's like it's on there, but it's like not a big dinosaur. And they were like, we need to shut this park down and just trap it on the island, right though. Could you imagine goes out there to take some pictures and then in the picture you just see like a And so he was convinced that he's going to go to this island and find sure this dinosaur. And so he made plans. You catch him in the water. Yeah, right, you're one of the Disney police. Yeah you catch him. Yeah you go, hey, well you do not here. I'm going to find your dinosaurs. That what you're hiding out there, I'm going to find you. So he's doing that video. Uh zoo also like and subscribe. He uh, he wanted to go out there to find the dinosaur. He also wanted to get because he did the urban exploration thing too a little bit. He was kind of he was kind of he didn't have a niche he was a little all over the place like us. Yeah. Actually, uh, and so he would go all over the place and uh, he wanted to do the urban explorer thing here. He wanted to find the dinosaur. And he also he also just really wanted to go because here's the thing. He grew up in Florida and he was I'm always saving up he grew up, I'm saving up money to go to Discovery Island. And then he's like putting every dollar away because he's doing the Dave Ramson. He's trying to get a debt, you know, he doesn't want to do. Yeah, that was his reward for getting a debt. Finally, Debt nineteen ninety nine. He rolls into Disney. He's paid, He's got the shirt. April's most expensive week ever, April seventh. He pays his last thing. He said, Tomorrow's the day. Tomorrow's the day, woke up, went to the park, and then he went They did this on purpose. They did. They knew, they knew I what are they hiding? They knew I was debt free, and they knew that my debt free brain would know what they were up to. I have a debt free brain. Through your lies, Disney, We're gonna send this to Dave Ramsey. We're trying to get on their podcast network, and Tim going, I have a debt free brain is probably gonna get us there. I think it might. I have a dead free brain. Me no thinking about debt. So he goes wear that shirt today. You look like you're about to like talk to me about becoming my financial advisor for clients. Yeah, it looks like it in my license because you played in the golf figuring to be good. Yeah, I have been. It's a thirties, my midlife crisis. Where are you golfing that requires a collared shirt? What do you think I got you at golf at cheap clubs. I don't golf at cheap clubs. I go to the best of the best, and they say you're not a member, you need to get out of here. And then I golf right outside the fence. I go to a big shot I can't afford top golf. Okay, So he really wanted to go as a kid, but he asked his parents, and his parents said that they weren't going to pay ten dollars for him to just see a bunch of animals, and so he never got a chance to go as a kid. And he really wanted to go. Okay, So he really did have one of those like I wanted to Yeah, he really genuinely wanted to go as a kid, and they wouldn't let him go because, okay, they didn't think his parents didn't think it was worth it, which should be fair. In like the seventies, ten dollars was twenty dollars. Yeah, it's a lot of money to see some birds. I don't know, uh birds, so you even know they're gonna be out there. Still, we're gonna pay twenty dollars right, gether? They have wings, Yeah, they can fly away. But when you keep it keeping don't make any sense to me. You guys could get out of here. You guys know it's less. Have you been to zoo, it's for a while. I don't think they're worth it. I think they're worth it. I went in twenty twenty. Actually, you know, you can never mind? What's that? Never mind? So I see animals for free? Huh? I can see animals for free? I mean yeah, but they're not trained, the ones at the zoo sometimes. Okay, try and give it them commands next time. You go. Know what we didn't have we we they were listen. So in Springfield there is the Dickerson Park Zoo, a real zoo, and then there is the why Live Animal Safari out in Strafford, Missouri. Yeah, which I never got to do. I always wanted to do that, did you, Because it's a school bus. It drives through the their Once you google satellite, you know Wildlife Animal Safari in in Springfield, Missouri, so you can kind of pull up what that looks like from above, because they've got tigers and you know, exotic animals yeah, Missouri and the yes, hold on, hold on, I'll show you. I mean this honestly, you're saying this like I should think that this isn't great, But the more it's very tiger king energy. Yeah, this is incredible. Look at that. Yeah it's I wasn't joking. I was like, it's and there's just a free wandering camel at a they're like mixed mixing animals, like these animals don't belong in the same pin and it's just a green space in Missouri. Yeah, that's the craziest thing ever seen. But you're literally in a school bus. Yeah, that's like painted like a zebra. That's incredible. I can't kind of sat with the to blend in with the zebra. They're like, oh, that's just one of us. The animals are like, oh yeah, you really let yourself go. Isn't that Why isn't that crazy? Yeah? This is man. We should go well, hold on, oh is this it? Okay? Till and live wild animal safari? Okay, I see this? What hold on? First of all, I'm gonna take two screenshots, okay, and I'm gonna show them too, So one of them is gonna be we'll focus on the wildlife animal safari thing for a second. Sure the other one is going to be slightly zoomed out. Oh you can see what else is around there, so you can see this other thing I noticed? Okay, so here is uh, here's the map of it. Yes, yeah, it's just a bunch of trails and stuff like that. Is that a golf course behind it? I don't know what it is behind it? No? No, No, that's not that. Is that? That's yeah? That thing down there with the trails, is that? This is the thing. Yes, and they just let the animals just roam. Yes, they're in this now. You just hear the bus Where the pin is they pen the day is where the Yes, where like the lions and tigers are. So you see that up front with them on the buns and they've got all the water just doing whatever they want done. Yes, that's crazy and this is not their natural habitat. Absolutely never seen a tornado before, and they're like, what is this? What is happening? What's the other thing you notice? Yeah, So if we zoom out just slightly, you'll notice on the side it's the side by side over there. If we zoom out a little bit, it is assassins. What are they doing over there? What's their company? Can I find out more about side by side assassins? What are they doing? Click that we're derailing the whole episode for this. That's a house. Yeah, it's like someone's house. Oh, side by side the Yeah, I thought they were just killing people. Yeah, that's kind of you guys to us. Side by side is like the the all terrain vehicles. Yeah, okay, and these people kill them. They kill people side by side assassins. They roll up on the side. That's what it's night, right, it's dark with your flashlight and they always have side by sides, always have the LED lights all over them. Yeah, and you just here and they always got music on two. It's the lights like blinding. Right. That'll be twenty dollars cheapest. Assassins. We handle your problem side side by side, all right? What do they do with them? And they just they just fix them. They put them in the back and then they bury them someone. I think I know what I'm saying, like they why are they called assassins? Oh, I'm my guess is the rentals? Because it does look like there's like open land around here, So I wonder if you can rent them and ride them around here. I bet you can go into the wild, ride them into the park, chase the water buffalo around. All right, that was a fun side thing. Okay, so hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Thanks are the last night. If you want to help us grow our show, the easiest way to do that is to share it. Send this link to somebody, be like, hey, this is a fun podcast I listened to. I would love it if you would listen to it with me, because that's probably how you found the show. Someone you know shared it with you and you were like, this is pretty good. And so it helps us a lot, and it makes it so that we can keep doing this and make episodes until one of us dies. Tim, but please share it and I will still be here after he's long gone. Anyways, he really wanted to go to Discovery Island never been, never been, really wants to go, and so he says, I'm gonna go. I'm going to find I'm going to experience it for the first time in my life. I'm gonna take all my Urban Explorer pictures and stuff and get a YouTube video out of this, Okay, and then I'm gonna find the dinosaur, and he says, look, everybody else who's ever done this before. They've been there for four hours tops. They haven't seen the whole island. And he's like, gonna yeah, And he says there's been a couple of hurricanes since this shutdown, so he's like, I'm sure it's not in good shape. And so he's like, I'm gonna need it all the time I can get to really thoroughly look through this. So he packs a bag and he plans on spending a week on this island. And he sys, I'm gonna spend a week camping out on this island find everything. There'll be no stone left unturned. I'm gonna discover the mystery whatever they're hiding. And so he puts together a plan. He says, I'm gonna canoe across. He said canoes are small enough. He says, I think I could go unnoticed. I'm gonna wait until sundown. I'm gonna camp out one night, and I'm gonna bring all this stuff I need to camp out and until indefinitely for a week, and definitely for one week, indefinitely until Friday. And so he pulls up to the parking lot and now that we have the satellite V we can actually kind of see this. So he pulls up to the parking lot I think at the Wilderness Lodge and he gets his canoe. He's got his canoe strapped on the roof of his car and he goes out and he kind of scoping the area to kind of get his bearings and figure out how he's going to get out there. Uh. And when he comes back to his car, someone stole his canoe and so he's like, oh man, And so he's like, I'm not going to have to figure out a new plan. Maybe see if I can find a new boat, come out a different night. And so it's like kind of put a wrench in his plans. Oh. So he heads home and he's like trying to figure out what's going to do. He stops at a seven eleven and on his way back at the seven eleven there's a dude with a kayak onto the roof of his car. So he approaches the guy and he says, yeah, I steal this as a stick up. I'm going to steal this kayak. He says, I need your kayak. This is official police business. No, he asks him. He says hey, can I buy that kayak off you? And the guy's like, now, first say I like please, I really need it for something, Please, I need it. I need that kayak for something. And I was like what, okay, what do you need a kayak for? So he pleads with him for a minute. The guy's finally like, look, I'm not going to say this kayak, but I actually do have another boat that I'm trying to get rid of. Do you want it? And then I was like yes, yes, please, yes, please, yes, yeah I want to, he says. He says, look, it's not in great shape. I'll give it to you for fifty bucks. And he's like deal, and so he follows him home, kills him, takes the kayak and it's fifty dollars back and fifty dollars and the other boat. Now he falls the home buys this boat. But the boat is it's this metal kind of like you can't even really classify it. It probably holes in it. Yeah, it's a bucket. This is a bucket essentially. He's like, well, it's better than nothing, and so oh really yeah, So he takes it and this time he says, okay, this is like trying to float out there on one of those sleds, you know, those little round kinda kind of And so he takes his boat to that neighborhood. Oh, and he says, look, he says, the situation at the park, there's too much movement, too many people around, many people stealing boats. Yeah. Yeah, He's like, I need to go in the neighborhood. So he parks in the neighborhood, takes that boat, and he wades through the trees and it takes him. Uh. So he goes in that neighborhood, wads through that big thicket of trees and it takes him, he said, like over an hour to wade through all these trees because it's so thick with that boat especially. And he gets out there, gets to the water and pretty quickly realizes this boat is taking in water. And so he had two decisions or one decision. Two choices, go back and try to find out a new solution, reassessent come back, or push through see if I can make it. And so he decides to push through, and the boat sinks and he basically swims the back half of the route into land, but he makes it. He makes it to the island and he finds a structure on the island that's like not in great shape, but it's like still standing and it's starting to storm, and so he camps there for the night, lights a fire and sleeps and goes to sleep, sleeps on there until daybreak and he wakes up and he starts exploring the island's getting all this video, getting all his photos, looking for whatever he can find. And he's finding a lot of the stuff that a lot of the other people who've made it out he had discovered. There's some like there was a snake wrapped up inside a coke bottle that like died in a coke bottle. He found that and cool, so there's like all the labor Yeah, I do, okay, that was info that could have been cut that, you know, when you got your little list and you go could cut this this. Well, remember but I don't have my notes. My notes disappeared by the computer goblin. Yeah, so he I can't remember what am I supposed to cut this or not? He goes, he goes through the island, sees a bunch of stuff, and about halfway through this day, he's he thinks he's in the clear. Sure, he's walking through this is day one. This is day one. He's walking through and then he walks out of one of the buildings and he's walking across the little aisleway and he notices on a tree next to him a trail camp and he's like, oh shoot. He's like, he's like that totally got me. He's like, they got me, yeah, and so he kind of freaks out and he runs back to his camp. He tears down his camp really quick, gets his bag put together, and then he runs into the brush to like hide in the brush because he's like, he's like, I got to figure out what I'm going to do. And while he's like running into the brush, he hears voices on the island. Oh shoot, okay, what happened was security? And what year is this again? This is twenty twenty. Yeah, So security guards on Disney's parks got an alert from the trail camp for sure, which they're like, never seen that before, and so they call the sheriffs and they said, hey, we I think we need some backup to go look at this. And so Disney they called animal control and they were like, listen, I think we have a dinosaur dinosaur on the island, And so they call the sheriff and they wait on the docks for the sheriff to show up. The sheriff shows up and they take a boat across with the sheriff right, and so there's two security guards to sheriff. Where'd you get this canoe? It's really nice? Yeah? Thanks yet thanks? Do you guys want me to sing? He's standing in a gondola like one of those, like, so, you're not supposed to stand on a boat like this. This is a canoe singing to the officers. Most people kiss during this part. That's a weird thing for the singer to say, isn't it. Where he's like, most people kiss during this part? Kiss her kiss? He said, we got some Disney ip that might work for this. He starts saying, to kiss the girls. My looks like that boy's too shy, not gonna kiss the other cop from the front Disney Police album Kiss the Cop. All the other tracks include Day's Our Guests. So the constant syd make a cry out of this, I plenty evidence in your backpack. So the four of them get onto the island. They make sure, they make sure, and they break out and they start going to the island. Meanwhile, security gets two speed bows and they start circling the island and setting up a perimeter around the island. And then the sheriff was like, you know, i'd be sweet they got there, you guys your kiss, it'd be cool. Could a chopper rock? And so they did. So they got a chopped the chopper circling. I'll tell you what. I live in Los Angeles and uh, that's all that. Yeah, they think it's really the kids so sick there. They patrol every neighborhood with a helicopter. It's truly insane. How many of them are flying over my house all the time. They think it's sick. Yeah, they're gonna find you. That's the helicopter sound. Yeah, yeah, we have helicopter assassin's out there. Can you imagine that? Though? Because this is I mean this, I'm pretty sure this was happening right before the park shut down. And so you're at Disney World and you see the island is being circled by security guards and a helicopter, a police helicopter, and and one of those kodn't Gondolis is going out and you can hear him sing it what's happening over there? What are they doing on the island. I think it's one of those times where a police officer is proposing to his girlfriend by fake arresting her and then being like, just kidding, but you've arrested me. You know. Have you seen those videos? Yeah, yeah, they were gonna do that. So they get out there, they're looking for him, and they are like they're like seriously trying to find him. We have this shot from one of the trail cams. Oh, and then they have their weapons out and they are clearing, like going from room to room on Yeah. I don't really understand why they think, like this guy is a threat or whatever. Sure, but they're going back and forth. And so he and IM not making this up, buries himself in the woods and to where they just had his head hanging out and he put a bunch of it's the visual of you're going you're like bear in the woods and he like puts some bread and you're like using your tongue to put the leaves of your mouth like freaking hunger games. Dude, he doesn't cover his face hung game. He covers everything but his face, and so the dirt just comes out to his face like this it's just his face to get out of the ground. And then the cops are like clearing the place that they find him like that, because it's like a clearing, it's just clearing. He's just in the middle face. They actually step on him and just walking through. He's like, oh, and the like I think I stepped on something and he turned around it like I stepped on a face. I hate this island. Give me off the island. Freaking creepy, dude. This island has this is lit of Waltz experiments. Oh fate is this a person? The island a person lost? Right? Oh gosh, the island was a person. When you go watch it and go this island is a person, it makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I mean pretty much. Any if you you say, you can say loss. I was like, it makes a lot more sense if you just change it. Yeah, it makes makes a lot more sense if you just make some stuff up. So he hides. He hides. He's buried himself in the dirt and they're looking for him, and he figured he's crazy. They put trail cams out there because all the other's pretty smart. Yeah, and they actually put up fences so he had to jump a fence to get into like the park part of the island, and so like they they've up their security because everybody else was getting there, and the statute of limitations wasn't wasn't let him sue him, Like that's the only way we make money as a company is poor people. And so he he buries himself and he lays there in the dirt, and he says, I'm just gonna wait him out. So he waits there for hours, and they're still searching, They're yelling out trying to find him, and they're not going anywhere, and so he realizes, he's like, he's like, I'm not going to be able to outlast these people. He says, I'm so thirsty. He said he was literally laying there and he was washing water drip from the leaves, and he was sticking his tongue on and catching it so he could get some moisture because he hadn't drunk anything in two hours. And then let go and then he realized, oh my god, I'm rest and so he says, Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna wait them out. They're they're here, they're locked in they know I'm not gone, and so I need to get away. And so he crawls his way through the brush, makes it back to shore, and he starts finding along the shoreline from people in the park who just littered for years, just a bunch of empty water bottles. And so he started taking all these water bottles and blowing him up and putting in his backpack to make a floatation device. And so he's just got a backpack and then ah, he's just sneaking on the detail. It didn't matter, it's he's blown them up, and he's got all these inflated water bottles in his backpack. And then he says, Okay, I've got a backpack full of inflated water bottles. But they're circling the island. Yeah, they don't see him. They don't see him there in the boats. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's not like it's not the water, so it's not like he's like on the beach yet. So he's like in the brush next to the water and just floating backpack. That's the idea is he sinks underneath and lets the backpack stay up, and it is a black backpack, and he thinks he can just kind of roll. They're like boating, and they just see a black backpack with hands on it. You think that's the guy. I don't know where he is. You think that's the guy. No, that can't be the guy. Those are just so Florida hands. We got about all. Yeah, we've got a lot of hands. Float around in this lake, eat out the gators. So so he takes the backpack and he gets in the water, and that's his plan. He says, I'm gonna hang out underneath it and swim across and just come up for air when I need it. And it doesn't work. It doesn't the flotation doesn't. It doesn't float, okay, And so he realizes he's just gonna have to swim, so he just starts swimming. Somehow, he manages to swim across, get back to the other shore, get into the neighborhood. He gets to the neighborhood and he grabs his phone. He calls his wife and she has to can pick him up. He's soaking wet, and she's like, why are you so wet? He's got a duffel back of cash, right, and he's like, just drive, don't ask questions. I'm soaking wet. You know. Well, he calls and she says hey. She says, the are here, and they said, if you don't come turn yourself in, they're gonna arrest me, which sounds illegal. La la la la la. Come confess. We're gonna take your wife. We're gonna go to jail. The cups are in the background of the call. She's like, they won't stop singing weird remixes of Disney songs, but they're like cop themed remixes. I honestly, I kind of want to go to jail at this point. I can't stand up. Heck yeah and so so yeah. So he's like, how does he get How do they know it was him? Uh? Yeah, I don't. Well, they saw him on trail cams, I guess, And so I guess the police were like, yes, and it's the footage, we'll find him. We know this guy. Yeah, I don't. I don't think they knew him. I think the police are just like, yes, and it's the footage, we'll find him. I think they like that. I think the police the police are like, yeah, we'll track him down, we'll find him, like a challenge. Yeah, And so they they tried tracked her down, were threatening to arrest his wife for his crimes, which does not seem legal. And then so he's like, he's well, because she's harboring harboring a fugitive at that point, like she would be impeding investigation because she could just say he's out there. Yeah, he's out there, that's him. Yeah. But I mean, at the end of the day, it's like, you can't arrest me because my spouse isn't back. You do. But if you say, hey, like because she knew he was going to commit a crime, maybe if she did crime, if she knew I don't know if she knew. But also it's like you're you're what, are you an accomplished of trespassing Yeah, to a misdemeanor treuspassing. Yeah. And so he's like, he's like, I'm not going to risk her. And so he goes home and he turns himself in and uh, he's got a great mugshot, just absolutely legendary much Oh my gosh, you make that face for the thumbnail. Good, we got it. And so he gets he gets charged with misdemeanor trespassing. Yeah. He also gets banned from Disney for forever. And he gets one hundred dollars fine, which is not terrible. Honestly, they did they let him shower before they took the mug shot. It looks like it they might have, yeah, because he would have went through there like you smell terrible. Yeah, and so he banned from Disney World. Everywhere in your body's covered in mud except for this one little weird spot. Can you explain what happened there? Well, no, he went through the lake. The lake would have washed it off. Okay, Yeah, so he did kind of technically in a sense. He's talking to this episode. You got rapids us geez. So it's not an hour, but we took a break in the middle. Let's take another one. So the island, the island's still there. They aren't gonna to get rid of that demology. We're so tired of people coming to this island. They dynamite it. No, the island is still like, the park is still on there. There's clearly there's no plans for Disney to ever do anything of it, but they've they're saying, hey, if you break into this island, we're going to be really mad at you, guys. Yea. And so they're pretty they're pretty striped about it, and now apparently they weren't in the early two thousands. Now they're more strict about it. So, but nobody's found the dinosaur. So I'm not saying this is not this is not financial advice, don't go to the park. But nobody's found the Yeah. So anyways, that was his big fiddle off. I guess oh, okay, hey, thanks for making us to the end of this episode. If you liked that one, I actually made a joke about Anthony Kertio in this episode. Anthony Kurtio is a person who made this very elaborate bank robbery scheme where he was going to escape to a stream behind the bank and float his way away with his millions of dollars, so much so that earned him the nickname dB tuber. So we did a whole episode on Anthony. You can go check that out. We've also got next week's episode available right now on Patreon, so if you want to go check that out. You can. Thank you so much for listening to things I learned last night. We'll see you next week.

This week’s episode covers the story of a man named Richard McGuire who snuck onto a deserted island at Disney World called Discovery Island. The island used to have an attraction in the 1970s and 80s where you could see exotic animals and birds. It was shut down in 1999 after Animal Kingdom opened. Since then, it has sat abandoned, … Read More

How BlackBerry Took Over the World and Then Lost It

05-28-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to things. Earlier last night the comedy podcast show where We're learning useless information and so uh we this week talked about BlackBerry, the you know, the phones you might not know. You might be young, but if you're if you're old like us, do you remember the wonderful times of the two thousands when technology was just slowly crawling its way forward, and then after two thousand and seven it just so fast, so fast, fast, numbingly fast, and now we're back to just slow increments of anyway, BlackBerry was really a part of that. And then how the rise and fall of BlackBerry and maybe what they could have done different to avoid this, but how they they just stared their destinies straight on exactly where we're a decade so we go there. Yeah. We also talked about the coolest phone ever, the Motorol Eraser. Yeah, the coolest thing. Shout out to our sponsor whatever. Man, let's get into the episode. Hey manmen, don't I hate it when you do this. Don't do this to me? Amen? Have you watched the extended versions of the Office on yahock? How far into it are you? I don't know, like not far. I just kind of like the threat level midnight one gosh, but than me then it's it's interesting to me. I will get into the topic. I don't care, but it's interesting to me. How much more Jim and Pam flirt in the extended cuts really, because like obviously when you watch the series, they're flirting, right, but it's it's like over the top, like they're really flirting. It's in the deleted scenes. Interesting, Like half of the deleted scenes are basically them dating, like in their relationship. Interesting. Interesting, it's interesting. I will say I watched I've been watching Back to Star Wars and so I'm on episode two right now, and I will say, Anakin, the way he talks to Padme in this one is like borderline not okay, Like I'm saying, like, there's things where you just kind of go, you know, because when you watch the series of the Office on TV, yeah, you go, Jim, you're flirting with a girl who's engaged to somebody else. Yes, But when you watch the extended cut, she's doing the most flirting. Interesting, and it's like, hey, you're leading on a guy and you know you're flirting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they keep doing looks at the camera, you know, yeah, it's weird, weird, weirder in the extended cut. Yikes. Interesting, I need to keep watching. Yeah, very far. Well, anyways, have you ever heard of BlackBerry? BlackBerry? Yeah, like like the phone. Yeah yeah, yeah, like the phone, not the fruit episode of BlackBerry. Well, for a second, I couldn't remember if that's what the phone was called. BlackBerry. Yeah, yeah, oh, we're talking about BlackBerry. We're talking about BlackBerry with the phone, yes, yes, yeah, probably in an episode of the Office or two. We talked about BlackBerry in a different episode, didn't we. I mean, we want to mention them how they wouldn't give up the buttons. Yeah, they didn't want to give up the buttons. Yeah, they love their buttons, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I can't Yeah, that's yeah. That's the best part of the BlackBerry was those buttons. All right. I feel we should get the intro out of the way because that was really weird. You did that. I really pushed my buttons. Hit the drop, hit the drop. No no no, no, no, no, no no no. That's good. You gotta get over to listen to our podcast. Can we get on Open's Favorite things list? Can we make a clip of Oprah's Favorite Things Special and over our podcast like my favorite podcast this year. It's after all you get get till things I learned last night. So Blberry here's the thing. Barberry was started by guy but the name of Mike Lizard or sorry Lazar is Lazaridis, Lazarus Lazarius. At the time, the company was called Research in Motion. This is in the early nineties. Him was the limited They just don't have a lot of product yet. Okay, no, it's short for LLC, I know. And then his friend Doug Freagin. This is Doug all right, I have I'm going to keep my mouth shut. How old is Doug in this picture? That's what I want to know, because here's the thing about older people. That guy's twenty six. Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and we look like this yeah yeah, yeah, that's fair. But also to be fair, yeah I see now. Yeah. So Doug and Mike Ware sorry dougant Mike. Where your neighborhood nerds? Yeah, they lived in Waterloo, Canada, quiet little Waterloo, Canada. So the this company and the idea for the company was, hey, we are going to make technology stuff. Sure, but we don't know what the technology stuff is. We just know we like technology stuff, and so they just start making stuff. They make some motems for a little bit, they sell some of those goes, all right, they early nineties, and so they're like decent. They're they're a business, but they're not like a business, you know. You know what I'm saying anyway, guys, Yeah, well no, probably more of a business than us. Honestly, they're going to like they're doing stuff like this, like trade shows. Here's where the rest of that picture. This is showcasing some of their stuff at an event. What what are you pointing at? You don't see Alex in this picture? Yeah? I can see that. I can see that Alex, our local nerd. Yeah, that's true, is there? Yeah? I didn't notice before that there's a parrot in this, which is interesting. But what I like the most I think so far is that this is a trade show. I think they're actually at a mall. I think this is a mall. Kiosk oh okay, well then this works? Then this is this is their advertisement, right, yeah, but there's also like a phone number to call on here. This says advertise on me. Do you see it? Yeah? So it's like it's like if you had a billboard and you're like, I'm on a billboard, but also it had giant letters said advertise on me. So it's a billboard for the billboard that you're also discount for that you think, yeah, probably if you. So they built calculators. That's that's what they look like. They're not calculators though, called the budget system or the I think it does say the Oh no, it's bud Budge, Budgie the budget. What is the budget? So the budget system was like one of their early ideas. And this was a kind of like an early pager, a communication tool. Okay, it didn't really take off, hold on, put it back up. It's called okay. So it is called the Budgy system, not the Buddy system. Right now it's Budgie, but the Budgy system. I thought it was Buddy for a second. You just went with it for Budgie. No, it's Budgie, it's Budgie. I wasn't wrong, typically I am, but I wasn't wrong. They actually left college to pursue this because they thought it was a good enough idea, sure, and they started building these little devices. They were kind of like early pagers called the Budget and they did okay. They worked with Mobotex, which was like an early wireless provider, made some modems and things like that for them, and then started working on on these pager devices and eventually they kind of perfected it and created what they called the Bullfrog, which was a pager okay, and they started selling over. The pager did decent, and then they met a guy that honestly, if this guy didn't step into the relationship, I don't know where they would have gone. Because because Doug and Mike knew how how to make stuff, yeah, they don't know how to market. You also know what they were making, yeah, they also yeah, they were just kind of dabbling in a bunch of different things, right, and they also they also they weren't great businessmen. We do know that at this time they made a lot of bad financial decisions and they were working kind of out of the hole, just kind of like us. Yeah, you know, but they met a guy here. I want to see, can you pronounce this guy's name? Jim? Yeah, good start, good start nailed the first name. This is besides no, not even close. Uh, Ball silly, His name is Ball Silly. James Ball, Jim Ball silly. And here's the thing. He is the you put it up here, it's it's spelled Ball silly. It's exactly what you think it is. And you prompted me with you for now. As if I hate that, I fell for that too. So annoying. And this is the sharkiest business guy yea ever Look at him? Look at him, this is his profile. Yeah, Jim Ball silly probably hates it when you call him Ball silly. Yeah, he comes in to be the business man. Sure, And they actually became him and Mike became co CEOs. Was the deal that they struck. They met because Jim was working for a construction company and he was like a VP at this construction company and he was on his way out of that construction company and he was like, I want to go buy a company his plan, and so he approached Research in Motion to purchase Research in Motion and they were going through that deal and he started, I think he started to learn that Mike was the point, Like Mike was the guy who was yea, Mike was the product. Yes, And so he's like he's like, I need this guy to still be in here. So they he put together this deal where he and Mike would be co CEOs. So he invested in it, became a member of the company that became co CEOs, and Mike was like, hey, I got this idea for a mobile email device, which was a unheard of technology like pagers existed, right and cell phones were a new technology, bag phones and all that stuff. Yeah. Well, no, they had no kias at this time, like the bricks like we're around, but it wasn't. I mean you really just called people on it. Text messaging I think existed, but it was clunky and like expensive, yeah, because you paid per text. I remember the ateen T guy telling my mom that free texting would never be a thing. Yeah, yeah, because if they just made too much money on they'll never do free texting. Yeah. And it was also like the there was a lot of people in the industry wanted to make this possible and more like researching ways to make this possible, but there was a technological limitation with data. They anticipate that the number at this time was They're like, we don't think we could have any more than five hundred thousand devices in circulation before it would like destroy the network because it would just be too much data moving. Sure. What they did, what they discovered this research in motion was instead of typically the way it works is your device is what's called the client, and then you have a server, and what happens is the client pings the server and s is, hey, give me the data, and then the server delivers in a series of packets the files. And that's how that works. What they said is they said, instead of they reversed the process. And so instead of the client constantly pinging the server and being like, hey, send me stuff, the server, which has more power than the client would and is operating separately, would then ping the client and say, hey, we got some data for you, and then send the data. And so by reversing that process, it cut back on how much data was used, because otherwise the client's just constantly being like, you got anything for me, you got anything from me, you got anything for me. And so by reversing that, they were able to drastically increase the amount of devices that they could have in that network. And this blew everyone's mind, everyone, like in the tech world. Obviously the consumer didn't know about this, but the tech world was like, oh my gosh, like this is an actual possibility now, like we can actually do something like this. So they sell to bell South. You might remember from our AT and T company they got broken up in all these companies before they became AT and T. Again, A was like we're monopoly still. But bell South at the time, I was like, this is neat And so they bought a bunch of these and at the time the company was calling them pocket links in my opinion, kind of cool. But they uh called like an advertising agency to say, hey, what's a better name for this? And they came up they were like BlackBerry, and everyone was like weird, Okay, no, they said, they said, hey, you know what these keys look like. They look like the little bumps lit a BlackBerry. It's like, exactly what happened? These looked like a little bumps on a BlackBerry. Should name it BlackBerry for real? Yeah? Yeah, okay, They're like it kind of feels like the bumps on a BlackBerry. It kind of looks like the bumps on a BlackBerry. And it's supposedly like really easy to say BlackBerry. It just kind of flows and it's like quick sure like the devices, it's quick access to your email, it's fast BlackBerry and it's like elegant. I don't know, I don't know. Marketers are weird man, dude, and that guy I guarantee the guy who came up with that so much money for that. I got to figure out I had a really good idea for Marriott, and I need to like the hotel chain and I need to get in touch with them because I really want to make money off of that idea. Yeah, well, I got to share it. What if I share it? No, don't, I don't. The hotel chain is sitting there like whatever, they got any good ideas for us? Okay, fine, well so they so they take this thing to market and it like has like kind of a quiet start. But then it was Thanksgiving two thousand. I don't know if you remember the early two thousands, super well, I do. Do you remember Thanksgiving Day and the early two thousand super well? Well, there's multiple things. The days you just referenced. What year are we talking about, Well, I mean Anything's Giving Day in the early two thousands. There was something very significant that happened. Everything's Giving Day in the early two thousands. That was like a taste maker's moment for early two thousands culture. Yeah, that was the People's Choice Awards Kids Choice Awards. No, nope, that was the Taste Makers. Well, but not the Mazy Day Parade that will That did happen, But that's not what I'm referencing here. Wait, I got it. Okay, Oprah's giveaway episode. Yeah, actually you're yes, it wasn't her giveaway. Well she did do for Christmas. Yeah, she did do giveaways. It was Oprah's favorite things. Yeah, she gave them all away. She did give them away. I can't believe jar she just pulled that out of his two thousand and two brain. Look at that. I'm honestly so impressed. You remember that, because I would not have. No, she gave away the car, the Ford Focus she did. That was like the biggest still is the biggest giveaway. Yeah, yeah, it is, right you hear mister Beasts is about to pass that. Sure, yeah, he's he just got to deal with Amazon Prime. I think he's doing a game show to give to give all of his contestants an Amazon Prime membership. Crazy. No, it's an Amazon Prime game show that he's doing, and it's supposed to be the largest like prize game show prize of all time. Was supposed to be I straight up don't care about an Amazon after they lied to us and do all that stuff. Okay, I have this theory. I love Google more, I love Google we are I do love to love you know, I actually think Amazon's gonna die. I hope I heard it was started by a cult. Anyway, No, So on Opah's Favorite Things list, if you don't know, if you don't if you weren't alive, or you don't remember, Oprah just got to make a list of all of her favorite stuff. You would go to the taping of an Oprah Winfrey episode. Yeah, and it would be a secret you didn't know that this is the giveaway episode and uh or we don't give away episode the Christmas episode. Yeah, And then she would open the show. She come out and say, hey, welcome whatever, and then like an ornament would fall from the ceiling and it'd be like, oh weird, and it's like it's out right, And then all the stuff would come out, and so she would make a list of you know, make a list. It was all the stuff that people paid for to get on there. And and she was like, I love this blender, and then everyone of the audience would get a blender. They check under the seat and there'd be a blender there. Yeah, somehow they check out the seat. Oh my gosh, you ford focus. Yeah. It really was like that, and so everything they showed on the show, the whole audience got. But it was a really big it's where that meme you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. That's that episode. It was a giant infomercial. Yeah, they figured out how to get people to like look forward to every year. I mean it was it was pretty fun because everybody in the crowds losing their mind. Yes, and like and you're also finding out because what it was was it was like whatever it is on the the Oprah's Favorite Things episode was the like number one gift that year. It was like, you need to get that gift. That's what everyone wants. That was like how you that was like when you see a TikTok viral video. That's just like, you know, oh my gosh, my Stanley cup is creaty and then all of a sudden, every every person's got a Stanley cup. Yeah, because you're supposed to have it or whatever. It was the equivalent she said those blues like we earned ours and uh I was gonna say. I was like, she set her set on fire and the Stanley cup was still standing my favorite Things. Everybody's like, you didn't have to part the set down. Twelve people perished and she's like, you guys can drink some water, like dramatic music. On Thanksgiving Day two thousand and two, twelve people perished and a taping of Oprah's Favorite Things, but everybody else got free Stanley cups. No, so I don't know if honestly are they paid on this list? Then that's what I always assumed, Like I think that's where my brain goes. But there's the storyline is that maybe maybe you had to apply, maybe you had to apply to be on it or something so she could test it out. I don't know. I don't know how it worked, but I do know that on Thanksgiving Day, the entire BlackBerry staff was watching her special because they were hoping they would be on it this year. It was the first year of the BlackBerry. They were like or something like, let's see if Yeah. I don't know, okay, but they I guessand mom watched Oprah religiously. Most moms did. Yeah. That was like, yeah, so they were watching they were all huddled around the TV watching the TV to be like, is she gonna put the BlackBerry on her favorite things list? Sure? And no one, And behold she does pull the BlackBerry from her hocket and this is the early BlackBerry. It wasn't even a phone yet, it was just an email device. And so she's like, she's like, I take this with me everywhere. This is not just my favorite It's not just an item on my favorite things list. This is my favorite thing, is what she says. Oh, and they're they skyrocketed. They went from having twenty five thousand users to well over a million pretty much overnight. It's the power of the oh, I hate the Tube, just the pre and Oprah to the Oh, the big O, the big Oh. And so they became like just a household name, huge right beyond measure. We got to get Oprah to listen to our podcast? Can we get on Oprah's Favorite Things list? Can we make a clip of Oprah's Favorite Things Special and over Tough our podcast? Like and my favorite podcast? This year's close you get until it you get me. I find a voice actor who could do an Oprah, Probably do like an ai Oprah. Oh Yeah, that was something. That's how I went to let's hire an artist, and you went to, let's just have a the computer can do it. Why would we pay someone when we can let the robots do it. That's true. I mean the hosts of this show gave up talking two years ago. They've been AI in this thing. Literally just sit here in our shoots. It's the awkwardest thing in the world. We see here for an hour and a half and we just occasionally turned our heads to the cameras, turn our heads back. We don't make a sound, but the AI moves our mouths for us and says all we looked like one of those jib jab videos two thousand and two. Man, I forgot about that too. I know you did. 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TP finds out out about them, and MTP is an interesting company. I don't know if you've heard of companies like this. I think there's a word for it. But essentially all they do is they squire businesses. Well, no, they sit around and they wait for people to file patents and they say that's an interesting patent, and they say, we'll give you fifty thousand for it, and oh, they just sit on it until somebody else does something with it and then they sue them. That's the business. That's the whole model. They suck. Yeah, so there's actually a there's actually a content version of this. Did you know that there's So let's say you have a viral video. Yeah. Uh. And I get these messages all the time because I have a lot of viral videos, even like the cat one for example. You'll have a person reach out through d MS and they'll say, hey, we really love your video. We want to license it. We wanna we wanna help you get it on Ridiculousness and MTV and on the late night shows. We want to we want to help you get this video out. Right, it's already out, it's already right, but they they're like, we want, we want to, you know, so they can use on TV and you can get paid. Yeah. Right, So then you fill out the form and you know, I've I've entertained it just to read the reform, and they give you and they own the rights to the video. Yeah, and so then they go license it. They pay you a percentage, sure, but they're getting obviously the bigger percentage. But they in if you use it in YouTube or anything else, or you reposted anything you now they'll take the earnings that you make from Facebook. Yeah. Yeah, and because they're the owners that they're the copp editors of that video now. Yeah, and yeah, sketchy man, it's brutal. Same concept. They just go around buying patents and fake That's kind of what the guy did to Taylor Swift the record label that owned all of our stuff is why she re recorded her songs. And so they say, they say, Okay, we're banking on that fact that someone else is going to have this idea and we're just gonna assume once they do it. I can't take you seriously when you look at me in the eyes after you do that, like you just stare me. Okay. So this company calls them and it's like, hey, you're infringing on our patent, and they were like, what, how do you excuse me? And so they go into this litigation, they go to court and research in motion the owner owners of BlackBerry in their case or trying to say, okay, no, we've had we had this concept. First. What NTP has a patent for is just a mobile email device, and it's very broad broad yeah yeah, but it's it's broad enough that it's like they kind of got it. And so they go through this long litigation process and at the point when the lawsuit first comes through, the company has like a million users and so it's like a it's a it's a big company. Yeah, but I don't know if I would say it's like a massive company. Yet they the suit comes through. By the time that it closes a year later, they have two and a half million users for the phone, and so they lose the case, and the company Research and Motion is like, this is ridiculous. We're gonna be especially now because since this closed, they're going to take a percentage of our profits. Their profits are way higher now, right, And so they go for the appeal. They go through the appeal process and it takes two years. By the the end of that they now have eight million users, and so the company is like blowing up. They're going through the appeal process and it becomes pretty evident that they're going to lose this this appeal again, and so they settle outside of court with this NTP company who didn't do any sucks like just bought the patent or someone they selled for six hundred and twelve million dollars for infridging on that patent. Should we suck? Should we just be bad people? It's insane to me that these people did nothing. They did nothing. Should we because insane and all they did was just like, well, it's the same thing like when these meme pages are like they'll share my content without even asking. Oh yeah all the time. But and that's why anytime I see a Barstool video or the f Jerry or whatever, block those accounts scroll past them because they are what they're doing is they're reaching out and they're like, we want to put this in front of our our eighteen million followers. They get paid for all those videos. They make money off of your video, off your content. Don't let them do that. Yeah, it's not worth the exposure. Yeah, because at the end of the day one no one follows through. Yeah, no one looks at a barstool video and says I'm gonna go follow the account yep that did this. They're just like, that's funny. There's only certain pieces of my content that I would allow that at this point. I would let the Chick fil A video do it, and I would let the Alexa sketch go because those are very prominently in my face or things that I could pieces of like the cat video I would not do because I'm not in it. But if it's like if I'm talking to the camera and I can get more views on this. There is a level of I'm trying to sell tickets and my face is important, and ultimately on those videos, especially like IF concert, probably the life cycle that is going to go through, right, And so it's like if if they want to take it at this point, I don't know. Every time I repost it, it goes viral again. So I'll take it. Yeah, that's true. If you do that though for like a barsel, that's you can still repost it. Now. I'm gonna reach out of the half post this video seven years ago. You guys want it, that's fair, that's fair. Anyway, we're talking about BlackBerry, remember that's right. We just took a break. We took we took a little recess, a little short recess. My jacket back on, Yeah, I took that off. No, we took a little recess to go look at the eclipse. We saw it well, which hey you saw it. I saw a flash of it sees nothing now because I'll tell you what. The government is not going to tell me what I can and cannot look at. Yeah, they were don't look look at this, and I was like, you're gonna stop me, And it turns out they weren't going to stop me, but the sun sure did. Have you heard of that concord thing, the grape jelly close? No, It was like the seventies or eighties or something. There was a group of scientists that were like, hey, how cool would it be if we saw this eclipse for like longer than everybody else does. And so what they did is they took one of those concord jets. And I was just thinking yesterday what the eclipse would look like from a plane. From a plane, Yeah, probably nutsyeah. And so were they. And so what they did is they put windows on the ceiling and they put a bunch of scientific devices in to like measure stuff from the ceiling. Yeah, And they took a concord jet and it was over Africa, and they flew and they hit one point of it, and then they cruised with it like for I think it was eighty one minutes. They cruised with the path of the eclipse. And because the concord is so stink and fast, I was able to keep up with it, okay, And so it was the longest experienced eclipse by anyone. Was this travel or this fight. It was a wow, But it was insane because so the shadow is moving faster than a plane. Yeah, because it's I mean, I think it's I don't know what it is, but I know the concord moves over this speed of sound, and so they needed the concord time. I know, we stay out there for a minute, that things like crawling. Yeah, but I mean that's a big shadow, you know. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if you could get in with a normal plane, you could stay in it for like ten minutes. Probably a bet. I don't know. It's a big shadow. It's interesting. But what I do. I saw a thing. It said that they calculated it, and they said that if they were just a second off, it would trim twelve minutes off of the amount of time that they were able to stay within it. So they had to calculate the trip, and the pilot of this concord, he gave himself twenty seconds of leeway is so that way there would be room for error, And so he took off, got to the air and then while they were airborne, he redid his calculations. He's like, okay, we've got eight seconds. He's like, I need to trim eight seconds off these twenty seconds to trim eight seconds. They had some turbulence slowed them down and so then he like full thrust at it ended up hitting negative one seconds off. So like they did lose like twelve minutes in the totality, but within a second from the second they had to hit it, they hit it, and they hit it perfect at the spot where like they didn't even have to tilt or turn at all, like they just okay for eighty one minutes. I think it was wow experience. Its crazy, and we know a lot about eclipses now because of that, they were able to gather a ton of data. Wow, I know a lot about eclipse and new moon and but anyway, yeah, can you name another one? Name another one, Name another one? Just name a single other one. Twilight, Yeah name well, okay, that doesn't go Oh, that doesn't count that because that's the name. Uh huh. You gotta name one of the other ones. It goes Twilight, new Moon, eclipse, rise and fall of Mars Hill, a cord of thorn and roses. Okay, whatever, They're all the same thing to me. Okay, So in DP gets the settlement, which is crazy. Yeah, it's so frustrating and so many levels but BlackBerry was at a level where like it almost I shouldn't. I don't want to say it didn't matter. It mattered, but it didn't matter, if that makes sense, you know. So should they have just settled with the two million describers before? Yeah, they probably would have had a lower settlement if they would have took it with the appeal, But there's no way to know how big they were going to become. And it's it's interesting the BlackBerry, they called it the Crackberry. Remember that. Do you remember the Crackberry? Yeah, that was like a common thing. I mean it was the first smartphone because over time they added in all the features you would have with phone and had an email, had a web browser, and uh it was it was the first smartphone. The early web browser websites were crazy to look at. Yeah it looks bad. Well yeah they were just text based. Yeah yeah, crazy crazy that we had full different versions of website. Yeah you had the m dot or slash mobile. That's what you have to do. Yeah, yeah, that was absurd, crazy, so much extra work. Yeah, the coach just didn't exist to make it respond anyways, there was nothing to respond to the screen, wasn't there yet? Yeah, yeah, but they so this became a huge movement. They kind of created the smartphone sector. A bunch of other companies started trying to get to a similar device to what they had, but no one was even close. And so they got to eight million worldwide users in what year two thousand and seven? March two thousand and seven is when they're at eight million. Yeah, something we all know. Yeah, there was a an important moment in two thousand and seven when Steve Jobs unveiled the iPhone. Yes, and he did that. We talked about it a lot. Yeah, yeah, the phone, wallet, keys, all the things you forget. What was it? A phone, an iPhone, a web browser, yeah, phone, a music player, a web browser, phone, a music player? Oh web browser? Are you getting it? All? One device? And ovation people sacrificing goats across the conference room. Crazy dude, I got this go from best Friends. I got this go from best Buy? Why do you think they bought ba is By? That's a vegan sacrifice right there? What they don't call killing animal? You gotta kill a robot animal? Oh oh yeah, right, so the spirits can't know robot you go you you tour in the city. It's got a little icon on the ground. You go in. Yeah, you go down the stairs, well, you ride the slide, the slide down. You get in there and there's like a stained glass window on the door, so you can kind of peer through the white seeing it. Yeah, there's all these people in these robes and they're there humming, and in the middle there's this big pedestal and you see that there's a pedestal and there's a guy marching towards it with a torch and on the pedestal you look closely and you're you're like, could that is that? And then it's one of those little from two thousand and four dogs. That's a different direction that I was going. It's one of those little those weird looking herbies. Yeah, Ferbi, Yeah, it's a smash it and the spirits are like, this appeases us, We're so happy. We love animals. Thinks I was gonna say a room, but just a room bumping up against the edge of the thing. They burn it. Itch butch but stupid. So the iPhone comes out, and the big thing about the iPhone and what Steve jobs his his like main motivation for it, and he even talked about in that press conference. The part of the press conference that was less no buttons. Yeah, as he said, you look at the BlackBerry, half of this device is taken up taking up my buttons. And when you're not using the buttons, they're still there. They're still taking up half the device. And so the whole thing too is if you put in your pocket, you're clicking but yeah, you're clicking buttons and all that thing. And so he wanted to find a way where you could get rid of the buttons, have more screen real estate, which means you could have more or device to enjoy what you're actually trying to look at. People forget how often pocket dialing was happening. Yeah, it was a very common thing. Yeah, yeah, and it was very Yeah, so this was like people blocking out. I mean like people's lives were getting up ended by pocket dials. Man. You would you would to pocket dial someone and then you'd be talking bad about that person and they would, you know, they'd get a voicemail. Yeah, of you being like can you believe because it was always the same person, always the same person that you were talking about, because you only had a couple of people in your contact list. Yeah, so you only talked about a couple of people buying their back Anyways, Yeah, what a lot of people thought is that this was I mean, I guess in retrospect, a lot of people think that this was the moment that BlackBerry just ended, like this killed them. Yeah, and I found necessarily true. Yeah, iPhone did kind of sign their death warrant. But it took some time. Yeah, because over the next couple of years, BlackBerry continued to grow until twenty twelve. BlackBerry in twenty twelve was up to eighty million worldwide users. Okay, and so that I mean they were eight million in two thousand and seven, So they still like rapidly were expanding. The thing is, the majority of that growth was outside the US, right, and so there was the BlackBerry outpaced the iPhone in a lot of other countries because the iPhone was significantly more expensive and so it was a similar experience. But as soon as this becomes an affordable product, yeah, then it starts. Then they started to decline. The BlackBerry also research in motion. By this time they had rebranded to just BlackBerry was the name of the company. By this point, they they started trying to create a device that was the full touchscreen phone. But one thing that they thought was like the main selling point of their phone was the feedback you get from the buttons of the feeling, And so they tried to create a phone where where it had actual physical buttons under the screen that when you weren't using it, it looked it would just display the screen, but when you were using it would display the buttons and you could actually get that button feedback. And it did not work well. It worked really poorly. And so which phone did you have? What do you mean when you were, like in freshman year of high school? What phone did you have? I had an A in high school. What did you what was your first one? Your first phone? Oh, I couldn't. I don't even think they had a name. Like it was just an organic flip phone. I don't even think it had a name. It was like an off brand flip phone. Oh for real? Yeah, what did you have? I had a Samsung slider phone. Yeah, I had. I had a sidekick. It was just a T mobile sidekick. I don't know. You could type sideways. No, you like you hit it and it spun around. Oh. I had slid up and I had buttons and it could slide down. Yeah, and then I upgraded to a Palm. I had a Palm. I don't when I was a it was basically a BlackBerry. Interesting, Yeah, I had. I had a few, like off brand flip phones, had a few off brand slider phones. Yeah, the T Mobile what did I just call it? I forgot the name Sidekick. Sidekick was the only one that was like a big name brand one. I had a Razor knockoff. Yeah, I had a Razor uh back half of high school. Yeah, I didn't get I didn't get an iPhone until my junior year. Yeah. I didn't get an iPhone until college. I got an ABU senior year. I got a senior year on an iPhone. I think, really I got an HTC. I think in senior year of high school, like an HDC Windows phone slider phone two thousand and then in college I think sophomore year of college I got my first iPhone. Here we go. I was kind of late to the iPhone game. I think iPhone five was my first iPhone. I don't like that it says vintage slider cell phone. That's what I had. It was white though, honestly those were fun like those like the sliding effect and the flip effect. Yeah. I used to love to just flip my flip phone and let it open up in the air and then catch it and that's how you answer. There it is. I had this with the orange highlights on it and everything that was white. I do remember that one. Yep, I remember that one. Yeah, yours, yours. I was thinking you were saying this like the sideways keyboard. Oh, the Envy, Yeah, yeah, I had one similar to that, but it wasn't the Envy. Oh man. My parents refused to buy name brand stuff. It was kind of crazy that I got a psych This is just taking me back. Do you remember the Let's see Mobile? Because the only way my dad bought a phone was if literally, I'm not even kidding, the only way my dad got a new phone is he would call T Mobile and he would say I'm canceling my service and then they would send free phones for everyone. That was the only way we got phon. So we only got off brand stuff from that because it was the Mobay chocolate. The chocolate I was a huge deal because it had it had a music player. Music. Yeah, that one is sick. That was the That was like two thousand in six and seven. Yeah, where you could have because I had an iPod nano. Yeah, yep, yep. Geez man, this is interesting. iPod didn't have a screen. You had this shuffle. Yeah, yeah, the shuffle was weird man. The ironically, so, when Apple was developing the iPhone, originally one of the prototypes that they got because they were having a hard time getting the touch screen thing to work right, but they knew they needed to get a phone to get well, I shouldn't say knew they wanted to get a phone to get into the market. So one of their mockups was very similar to the iPod, where it had the rotary wheel thing. Yeah, but that was the only user interface, and so you actually used it like a rotary phone to dial numbers. So you would spin it around. Oh how would you text on it? Spin it around? I don't know how you would text on it. Yeah, that's insane. I think you could. That's interesting to rotary though, Yeah, I think you could. If I remember right, there was a way to type because you could search and I remember, like you it would go across the keyboard and then you left you could text, like yeah, that would be insane, that would be really insane. Yeah, this what's crazy. We have. We have some gen z uh listeners and watchers who all hail the watcher, who have no idea what T nine texting is. Yeah, yeah, yeah we this was for our gen z listeners. This is probably a pretty big okay boomer mill Are you a teen? That? Were you a T nine guy? For sure? I was not, really, I was just a full on I'm going to be in control and go and type the whole word. That's insane. I was fast, that's insane. That was really quick. I bet I could still do it. Yeah, let's get some. Let's get someone that's race. I bet we can find some on eBay for like bet we could get those for so cheap. Do they still sell SIM cards? Yeahs a SIM card in the in my Galaxy phone. Yeah, there we go, let's do it. Let's just SIM card in your iPhone. No, these virtual simiiphones now not yours. I'm pretty sure they don't your iPhone twelve. Let me see this thing. I'm pretty sure unless that maybe that is. That's what I'm saying. Let me see it. I'll tell you, I'll let you. I'm not going to open it. Yeah, that's it that's where you're some card is the new ones all have virtual sims though, Yeah, but you don't have a new one. Bro, let's say it together. You're hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things Other Than last Night. If you're here and you're a little shocked because you've been watching ASMR videos all night and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick and join back in the ASMR. One thing that would help us a lot, and the algorithm is if you have some comments or some reviews, if you're on the podcast app, we'd really appreciate that and it would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. But if not, and you're just here trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. But here's another advertisement. Jeez, okay, I know this is reminiscing. So they so in December first, twenty twelve, they had eighty million users worldwide. At that point they had captured forty one or forty five percent of the global smartphone market. Wow, okay. Over the next ten years they just slowly declined. And just wait, which year did they release it as a phone instead of just an email thing? Two thousand and three I think yeah, two thousand and three, okay, uh and so yea and seven. It was like the business phone, like if you were a business person. That was how I was always marketed originally, especially like when it was a phone for professionals. Yeah, because before it was even a phone, when it was just an email device, email was still noting everybody did. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't like it wasn't a public It was either you use this for work or you use this to get scammed out of all your money. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. But over time, like email became a more popular things, they started marketing it to everyone, right, the phone feature, and it became but it still was very popular business because a lot of businesses, the BlackBerry became a status symbol. And it also was something that the company would buy in bulk for all their employees so that way they could keep in touch with you at all times. Right, because before a lot of people don't realize this, there was a time when you would clock out and you were gone. Yeah, there's no way for them to and yeah, this changed that. This made it possible for them to get ahold of you at all times, sweet time. And what was interesting about how they got the deal. They got the deals with a lot of the like Verizon in Bell South and all these companies, because they were like, your people are going to be able your your customers are going to be able to be more connected. They're doing email, they're doing phone calls, they're doing messages. There's a lot more moving through, so you're selling more minutes, you're selling more text messages. Well, they got the deal done off that sale, like that selling point, and then they launched BlackBerry Messenger BBM is what they called it, and it was basically face yeah, and so then but you had to pay the service to BlackBerry. So BlackBerry got paid for all your texts and it was more reliable than the text messaging was, and so everybody would go to Blackberries. Yeah, you could only communicate with other people with Blackberries, but it was kind of a status. Yeah, it was a status thing. Well, here's what's interesting was the BlackBerry. The audacity of BlackBerry. In the late two thousands, when Facebook launched messenger and Instagram had DMS and all these other companies had like a messaging feature, BlackBerry tried suing all these companies to be like, you're stealing our idea. Which is just like it's it's just a messenger. What do you mean, like you're stealing our idea? So they try to act like it was proprietary what they were doing, and they were still in all these other companies, Well they just try what INTP did to them. I mean, I guess that's fair, and I mean, to be fair, they did get in suits with just about every company you can think of, sure, which is kind of just a corporate thing to do, Like you have a legal department that just goes around being like can we make money off of yeah? Kind of honestly that's the corporate world. But anyways, the peak of in twenty twelve, they hit their peak forty five percent of the global market. Today it's zero percent. Technically it's like zero point zero is zero one, Like there's people who have them, but it's effectively zero percent of the global markets in use. And they they shifted their focus from selling phones and pro and consumer products to cybersecurity. So they're like still a company and they're still a pretty successful company doing cybersecurity products, and they're selling software to businesses cybersecurity, and they have the phone division. They still sell the phones. I don't think they're making any new phones anymore. I think they yeah, made the last one in twenty eighteen, but technically still do sell them and service them. Motorola is trying to make their comeback. Yeah, I saw they made the Razor two or whatever. Why. I mean, the razor was sick, honestly, and I say this it's full conviction. I don't know if there has been a thing in my life that has been cooler than the Motorola Razer, like cooler, like just that was so freaking sick. Yeah, you guys hear the poor right. I was like, Tim's got an Ipho twelve because you know, some people have like some rich people have like private planes, and some people own islands, and some people own boats. Some middle class people have a payment on a boat. They don't know it yet the bank does. Uh. But uh but Tim. Tim is on here, unashamedly saying the coolest thing I've ever had. I didn't say I've ever had. I said I remember scene. I didn't have one. Oh scene. It's just the coolest thing that's ever existed in my lifetime. In my lifetime, there are stealth bombers, but stealth bombers are war spaces nerds. The motorol eraser. You pull a motorol eraser out in math class, send a text message on that motorol eraser. Holy crap, that's a cool guy. That guy is so cool in that motoroal eraser. It has one vowel. The other vowel they just got rid of, so they nowadays are still in business. Whatever. There's here's the deal. This whole topic I brought up because of this guy. Can you pronounce his name? Ball Silly? Yeah, So this guy, Ball Silly. A couple of important things about Ball Silly. So he's the business man, the big, big bad business boy at the company. And he came in, what are you looking at me like that? For? I look at you like that, I looking at our audience like that Where you guys heard him say that big bad business boy. That's what the BBBS bureau BBB big bad business boy. That's what it stands for. Okay, let's try it again, buddy, let's try it business bureau. You're saying b B B. No no no no no no no no no no no no stop stop stop side b B big bad business business. The second piece, the third the second piece to be second P S two b's okay, that's why the second accounts for dude, big bad business. Point. No, you have abbreviations all the time where it doesn't count all the words. Like it's just like, oh, this doesn't work at our cool abbreviation world. We're gonna drop one of those. And they're like, is just an extra P. It's bp B, why not make it b B b B. But that's just kind of about you don't know when you do four bes in a row, you don't know how many bees. You said, you look at any peace business bad business boy, he's the deal. So he all these guys got super freaking rich off of this. Okay, they were doing ten billion a year at the peak of the company rich. This sucks these guys. These guys were literal billionaires they're making they made a billion dollars off this, literally and so balsilly living in uh Canada, big hockey boy, okay, and he said, how cool would it be if Canada had a hockey team. They had a few, but he wanted his town to have a hockey that's like their thing. No, he wanted he wanted his town in Canada to have a hockey team. Okay, in his town. I said in the beginning, do you remember it's some Keynadian town. It's not like one of the It's not it's not Toronto or Calgary like one of the ones. You know. I mean, it's a one you probably have heard of, Waterloo. Yeah, see you've heard of it, but it's not sure it's important. So Waterloo. So he went to the NHL and he tried really really hard to get a franchise, and so he tried in two thousand and six to get the Pittsburgh Penguins. The board voted against him. In two thousand and seven, he tried to get the Nashville Predators and the board voted against him. In two thousand and nine, he tried to get the Phoenix Coyotes and the board voted against him. In twenty eleven, he tried to get the Sabers, and this time he used it. He didn't put his name on the bit. He was like, He's like, if they don't know it's me, maybe I could get it. And the board shut him down. What is on taper is that they knew that he was trying to move a team to Canada. And then we got plenty of those we don't need anymore. We don't want any more teams in Canada. We don't like it there. Okay, what in reality was is they did not like him at all. They thought he was an arrogant businessman. And allegedly, I don't know if this is true, but allegedly their biggest competitor was Palm Pilot in the early days, and Polm Pilot tried a hostile So when I said earlier, I had a palm and you went, I don't know who that is. Did you have a palm Pilot? I don't know what a palm is. Yeah, Paul is the company. Pilot's the phone. That's like saying, like you know, a Honda Civic and you're like, I'm pretty sure palm Pilot was owned by a different company, like pom Pilot was the the thing. Palm Pilot was owned by Paul. I love this so annoying. It was you a robotics and then it became Paul. That's what I'm thinking. I used to think it was. I thought it was just robotic. I think owned by Ford. It's like something else. Honest is just a name. Whatever. Man, I should be the teacher on this show. Pilot. Bomb Pilot wanted to came to Research in Motion early BlackBerry days and said, hey, we want to like partner with you, and so here's an offer. And Research Emotion was like, we don't like that offer, and pump Pilot was like, what about a hostile takeover? Your Your shares are super cheap, and so they were like, yeah, what if we were just like, which is a corporate pirates? Yeah, like we're gonna jump on your boat. We're gonna jump on your boat and there's nothing you can do about it. This is my boat now. And so they threatened it and they were like, they're like, sell it to us or we're gonna hostile take over, and they like, okay, we'll sell it to you, and they like drug their feet until they could get a really big deal and make their shares go up to where the Palm Pilot could afford it. They pulled it off. They got lucky. They kind of flew a little close to the sun there, but they didn't pull it off. So pomp Pilot and Mike Paul Silly or Jim Paul Silly specifically had like beef and so he was constantly yeah, I would say bragging to the owner of Palm Pilot to be like, what, how much better we are than you? And I guess allegedly, I don't know if this is true, but I guess allegedly he was in the process of buying the Penguins the first purchase, and he was bragging to the owner of the Palm Pilot in two thousand and six to be like, you guys still come buying in an NHL team, And I guess that got back to NHL and they were like, we don't want this guy and our owner group. Yeah, so they just blocked him out of it. From that point on, Balcilly was a part of another interesting thing because the SEC came knocking in the middle of their big explosive growth in like two thousand and seven. Because what Balsilly did was and Mike knew about Mike lozartists knew about this. It wasn't just Balsilly's thing. But it seems like Basili was kind of like the figurehead of this. He said, Hey, we need to cover a lot of ground so that way we could come out as the front runner on this, and we need to do it quickly. But they don't have the top talent in the world. They have good talent that on the top talent. And so what they did is they went to Google, Microsoft, Motorola, all the biggest companies in the world, and they came and they were like, Hey, we're going to offer you this really big salary and this huge stock compensation package. And they said, but what we're going to do is the stock compensation package, We're going to give it to you three years ago when it was way cheaper, and so they put the date on it. They just scribbled it out and changed the date on it, so that way what today would have been like two hundred and fifty grand in stocks is ten million in stocks, and so they're like, you get ten million in compensations. They were able to attract ridiculously down to people that they could not normally afford, right, and they were giving them ridiculously high compensation packages. They were lying, Yeah, they were frotting, and the sec investigation sound that they knew exactly what they were doing. And even a lot of the employees, like last them, they were like is this legal, Like are you allowed to do this? And they're like, we'll pay the fines. I have an NHL team. He was like he's like, first of all, I've got an NHL team, and so you heard of them? Yeah, And they're like, yeah, that's yours. And he's like, uh, everything, I go to a lot of I've seen the stadium before. And so they they end up getting this whole uh, this case comes down on them ball silly uh and the whole Mike, Lizartist and another COO or ordered to pay back eighty three million dollars for this compensation thing. They ended up going back to the which was like the maximum penalty they could have got. They end up going back appealing. They got it down to forty and they split it three ways. And these guys are billionaires, so it didn't really matter. One of the interesting things was Jim Balsilli was put on like a prohibitionary period probation probationary period, and so he wasn't allowed to be a CEO anymore, and so he maintained his board seat, but he wasn't allowed to be a part of the company CEO in the day to day No, there was a probationary period and so for a year he was removed from his CEO seat. He was on the board and then that expired and then he went right back to being CEO as you would. And then he started He continued doing all the same stuff he was doing before, allegedly, but never got as NHL team. The company became very, very successful, but declined pretty quickly. In twenty fourteen, both of them sold all their stock and left the company. But the biggest winner Doug. Doug freakin Doug. This little guy became this guy, and he had the foresight. In two thousand and seven, when iPhone announced their their switch teams, he sold all of his stock saw that for one point two billion dollars. And now he dresses up like a race car driver and he's actually one of the world's richest men. Got out really early, Yeah, got out really early. I think he does do a race. I don't think he just dresses up like a race car driver. I think he does like it's some charity race every year. But he was the biggest winner. Freaking there's no point for end. There's still white sEH white number seventeen. I don't know what that means. Okay, it's Canada, it's a different place. I don't know what that means. But yeah, he's the biggest winner out of all this he and for him, Him and him and Mike Loz artists. Mike and Mike and him were like childhood friends. They started the company. Now they have like a but when they when it went down, Yeah, do they lose all their money? Then they lost money, Yeah, but I don't want to say they lost all their money because the company, the company ended up being able to restructure started just doing cybersecurity. They were still selling UH phones outside the US, they just weren't really big in the US anymore. Yeah, And then over time their phones lost market share, but they were the replacement cybersecurity. So the company was able to pivot. And it's still around and they're still selling cybersecurity products. They're not as big as they used to be. They used to be the number one and player I think in Canada. Maybe maybe just in their municipality, but at least in that municipality, they were the number one player. Today they're just a decent sized company. They're still listed on publicly on the stock market. You can invest it if you want. I don't know if I would, but you could. If you want, I would. I'll take out a twenty five thousand dollars personal loan to drop into BlackBerry stock, but him and Doug and Mike BlackBerry to the moon. Doug and Mike have a nonprofit that they're running, and they're also doing like venture funds. Jim just fishes. I think that's it. Yeah, so this is for Robert and for our team. Can we instead of uh, instead of like the fiddle off this time, can we do like an old ring tone? Yeah, that'd be really cool. That's the story of BlackBerry. Had had a lot of opportunity to they were the front runner. They could have stayed the front runner if they had the same kind of vision that iPhone did, but they didn't, and that's why I think AM is going to go out of business in the next fifteen years. Hot take. Yeah, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked this one, you should check out AT and T. We look at a time in the past when they were just a monopoly, a straight up monopoly. They got broken up by the US government. They said what you're doing is wrong, so they broke them up in a bunch of different pieces, and then over the years AT and T said, we don't care about the law, and they just bought them all back up and became a monopoly again, really really cool, great episode, a lot of history, and also it's about phones and stuff. So if you like this one, maybe you'd like that one too. But hey, if you like the show, the best way to support us is by becoming a patron. But if you don't want to become a patron, a really good way that you can support us is by checking us out on social. You can follow us on social uh, in literally every platform. We're just at tillin Podcasts. Great play place to support the show and keep up with our content. Watch some funny videos, see some funny pictures. Great thing to do. But we're just glad that you're here and we'll see you next week. Upon things I learned last night

BlackBerry was once the undisputed king of smartphones. In the early 2000s, their devices were ubiquitous, especially among business professionals. The iconic BlackBerry design, with its full QWERTY keyboard and trackball navigation, was the epitome of high-tech style. So how did this pioneer fall from grace so swiftly when the iPhone arrived on the scene? BlackBerry started in 1984 when … Read More

You Won’t Believe the Culty Background of The Best Friends Animal Society

05-21-24

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Hey, thanks for checking out things. And then last night this is an educational comedy podcast, and today we are talking about the Best Friends Animal Society. In this episode, we kind of dig into their history. It's a little sketchy. We find out how culty their background is slight culty, yeah, and how connected they are to some pretty sketchy people in the past. It's a lot of fun, that's true. If you've got a time machine, you can go back in time to some of the shows I did last month. April was very busy for me. May is a little slower, just chilling out, so sorry you missed them. But this is a This is a comedy podcast where we learn stuff. And one of the ways to help us grow this show is to share it with somebody. So please do that. Send this episode, don't even listen to it yet, send it unlistened and share it with a friend. That's and that's that's also pretty culty. That is a pretty culty thing. We're going to get into their weird history. And so they've built this like resort, but the sets and then you're like, let's go volunteer pretty clever. And so I'm going to show you some of their marketing material. And this is I don't know how long I can leave this on screen, so you need to look because we might get to demonetize if I leave this up too long. Oh that is things I learned last night. What's up? Have you ever heard of the Best Friends Animal Society? The Best Friends Animal Society be fast b f A s uh no so. Best Friends Animal Society is a nonprofit organization in canab, Utah. Here's an aerial view of their facilities, a very large animals sanctuary, and you can kind of tell I was gonna say, I can see the little friends size looks first glance off an aerial photo clean setup. Sometimes you see some of these, you know, home farms or whatever. Yeah, that are not Yeah, this is not that. This is very well done. And they even named each of their zones. There's the uh dog Town, cat World, Horsehouse like they've got names Horsehouse. I don't know. I don't know what the horses area is. I made that one up, but they can take it if they want it. They are This animal shelter is famous for a couple of reasons. One in the nineties. They started in the nineties and it was kind of a pioneer in the no kill movement, and so they are like, hey, we don't kill any of our animals. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. There's no retirement plans, no retirement plans. We just let them stay here into Lidden's. They're also famous for taking in about half of Michael Vick's dogs. Oh so they took twenty two of his dogs in. He had forty, They had forty seven. I guess I don't know about all the Michael VICKI we were young when that happened. Yeah, it's pretty sketchy. It's very sketchy. You had like a full ring going on, like a people. I mean I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was pretty bad. So yeah, they're famous for both of those things. Recently they were in the news again because they had a really great idea. They said, hey, we are a nonprofit organization. Yea, we have a lot of employees that do the work, but there's a lot of work to do. I mean, you saw you see how big this place is. You saw the scale of this. I mean this is a big campus. You got dog Town and cat World. There's a lot of turtle Worsehouse, turtle Turtle Topia, Turtle. There's a lot of places going on here, an airy canopy, there's a lot of work, and they said, you know what, we need volunteers. But here's the thing. Cannab Utah. The thing you need to recognize about cannab Utah is it is I mean, the location is a beautiful area. Yeah, the location is a beautiful area. It's just north of the north rim of uh Antarctica, the Grand Gated Yeah. Uh, just like just northwest of Monument Valley. Uh, just west of Lake Powell, just south of uh, what's that place called I'm drawing a blank. No, I mean it is south of Salt Lake. But not like oh yeah, there's a national park right there that's super cool, like just like the Dues so sick, not the dunes. It's it's another canyon, but it's like a lush canyon and it's like trees and stuff and plants. But it's like it's like the Grand Canyon at the Grand Canyon have plants. Okay, I'm talking about it's super famous. This is gonna drive me crazy. I'm gonna remember halfway through this episode, obviously you know what I'm talking about. Oh, this is Zion Zion National Park. So yeah, so it's it's a beautiful area, but there's also just now a lot of people that live in that area, so they don't have a lot of access to volunteers. So they had a genius idea recently, let's get the Mormons involved. They said, let's build a hotel for you and your pet. So they've got a hotel that's like a pet friendly hotel. So you're supposed to kind of cute though. Yeah, and so like you come in and my wife would love that. The King suites have like like doghouses built into them, so they're like you because that comes out from unerneath the bed. Yeah, so this is a guess like the standard suite. She tells her. I was like, bring your dogs, never your cats. Well they've got they've got everything for your pets. When we moved, we had our cats in the car and we stayed at like two hotels in the way out. Was we to stop and uh in my I love my wife, she doesn't stay in hotels as often as I do. Yeah, And uh so I was like, you know, I'm not going to pay the I'm not going to tell them I'm bring our cats in. I'm not going to pay the thing, yeah, you know. And so she was like, what do they catch us? They're not like, No one at the front desk is like, where are those cats going? Which room are you guys in? No one's made that. Peppa like just walk in with them, yeah yeah, yeah. And so but she was, she was she was looking super sketch. As we have these cat carriers cover with blankets. They look like bags of drugs microwaves, That's what I say. They were guys trying to sneak a microwave into here. Who can't bring microwaves into a hotel. They've already got mic ways in there. You're not allowed to bring your own microwave to a hotel. That's the number one rule of hotels. You can't bring your own microwave. But yeah, they's the number one rule. It's a bigger fine than smoking in the room. Yeah, yeah, it's important to them killing someone they want the microwave. What's the point of them buying a microwave from the room if you just go Most my hotels don't have microwaves anymore. That's so annoying. No hotel in Vegas has microwaves. Do you know that, is there a reason for that? Or refridge? They want you to have a refrigerator in the room. They want you to go down and eat, spend money, yeah, yeah, and they don't want you to have leftovers sacked up. Yeah they don't have You can get a refrigerator in your room for twenty five dollars in night. Did they roll it in like one of those extra beds. Yes, they do, we found on our honeymoon. No, it's it's the smallest. It's not even like the think what a mini fridge looks like, and it's many of that. It's a miniature version of a mini it's a micro micge fridge. Just use the ice, see what you mean. But yeah, so they built this, they built this hotel. Yeah, and it's and it's actually kind of cool. They got the they got the doghouses. But it's not like they put a doghouse in the room. It's like they built it into the walls and it's like they go, they've got a place that can run up through the walls and like come out to. It's like really cool for the dogs. And then they've got like all these places like they've got a dog run. They out a park. I mean they have pet they have cat stuff too, They've got bird stuff. They've got stuff for literally any pet you can. They let you bring your bird and then let my cats chase your bird. So my wife wants us to get I didn't know this. I know we're getting through the episode. Sure, okay, pair it. Yeah, you know like the red blue macaw? Yeah right, yeah. How long do you think those live? Fifty years? Did you know that it's it's like sixty to seventy years. Yeah, that's absurd. So there's a family member that we've got who is trying to figure out who to give her macaw to because she's gonna die before it. Oh yeah yeah yeah, And are you guys trying to get it? Reagan? Reagan's ears poked up whenever that conversation happened. She was like, can I have? I want it? Yeah, because apparently like they'll they're like mischievous, they'll like learn to bark like your dog. If you've got a maca, it would be like and then you'd be like quincy, Yeah the heck the birth well, like be in your bed and it'll pull the blankets over itself, and like they're like a little little sposters man, and that like appeals to Reagan a lot. She's like, She's like, I really want that in my house. So fun. I'm like, okay, we have a two bedroom apartment in Los Angeles. Did you know there are wild parrots in Los Angeles? I didn't know that wild wild like they are they So in the fifties, somebody brought over their parrots. Yeah, like these green macaws and then they either got out or they were let loose. And now that I know how long they live, I'm now thinking like it might straight up be the fifties generation. It might be the same birds. That's crazy and so talk. They're so loud. Yeah, do they talk? They don't. They just say the same stuff that so they whatever a fire and drives by, they go crazy. Guy, He's no, they don't say. We're they're like they are very loud though they talk to each other. They're very like, yeah, they're super they sound like the bird from Aladdin. Yeah, yeah, that's great. But yeah, if you look at the hotel website, like it had lists all these things for the your pets to do while they're there, and they've got pet places and things for them to do pet massage. Yeah, it's all stuff like that. And then they list things to do for people. They literally have them separate nothing. They've got a couple of things. It's like the pool, Vegan Continental Breakfast. Yeah. Pool. The first thing in the list though, is volunteer at the best Friend's Animal Society. And so they built this like resort, but you pets, and then you're like, let's go volunteer. Pretty clever. Actually it's a good business model. Yeah, it's pretty clever. They're they're also famous for angels. Rest is what they call it. This is It's exactly what it sounds like. It's a cemetery. Cemetery, which is creepy. That's fine, I don't know. Cemeteries are scary, especially for animals. You should do we should do an episode on cemeteries because I was looking at a way of how uh Europe does their cemeteries or the United States as our cemetaries, and how our system is literally just nights. There's no way we can keep this up. Really, Yeah, we're gonna run out of room. Interesting. I always thought it was kind of weird how much we respect the dead. Anyways, Hey it's me again. Thanks for being here for this episode. If you like what we're doing, it does cost us money to do this, and so just think about that. You know, that's it. I'm kidding. No, we have Patreon supporters and it really helps us to make this show possible. Honestly, we're so grateful for everyone who listens to the show, but there's there's people who want to make more of it happen, and so they financial support the show, and then you get a lot back for it. You get our private discord where we chat every day. We're hanging out and just getting to bond and hang out. We also do live zoom hangouts for our Patreon supporters. You get exclusive merch. It's a good time. There's a lot in it for you and and it's a lot in it for us because we get to know you better. You know, you're not just a number and a stat board or whatever, but you know you're our friends and we appreciate you a lot. So consider doing that. If not, then you can listen to this dumb little ad because that's how we're gonna get money from you. We're gonna leach from you. Either way, we're gonna get paid. We're in this for the cold hard cash baby. Anyway, here's an ad. How do they how do they get it? Though? I realized I forgot to put a ct A in mind. Oh yeah, they can text tillan to six six eight sixty six. Thanks Jared. Okay, so you're disrespect the dead sounds like what a metal band screams when it's like they'd make the wall, and then it's like dead respect God. I mean, I'll tell you what. My brain does come up with some pretty good breakdown riffs. I shouldn't be a chugger. That's what they're called. I think you're right, that is what they call them. Chugs. Yeah, this is guitarist. This is our basis does our drummer, that's our chugger. This is honestly all I've got to talk about. I think I'm out of no, I'm kidding. Great, here's the thing. Yeah, why does this get interesting? This is? This seems right now, this seems like a paid advertisement for this hotel. They've got wonderful amenities. You can stay there, you can volunteer for their thing. Well, wait to hear the rest of it. It's going to sound a lot less like a paid advertisement. So this the organization that started. The Best Friend's Society is an organization that's been around since sixty six. Yes, but in sixty six it was a little different called the Mormon Church. It's called the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. So this is a it's a cult. So the it's a cult, baby, let's get into it. So it was started by these two individuals, Marianne McLean and Robert Dave Grimston. They were Robert with their mugshots. I assume they've got them. I don't know if their mugshots or sport photos. I can't really tell. Wow, when you see the image of Robert, is that his name Robert Robert grims Did this guy looks like a cult imagine a cult leader. Yeah, that's him. He looks like in my in my opinion, he looks like Zoro That's what I'm saying. Like he looks he looks like he's gonna cut you with the saying, cheek bones, very handsome guy. Yeah, I would follow him at the ends of the year. What do you want me to do? Tell me, tell me, Robert, I'll do it. Whatever you want me to do, I'm doing it. So Robert was an architecture student. That's how all carls began. If you like shapes that much, you're gonna start a weird religion. All architects are psychos man, so he architecture students, not architects. People who yeah, architects. Yeah. So he was an architecture student. After architecture school, him and all of his architecture colleagues kind of lost touch with each other for a while. Okay, because he all of his colleagues went and they got jobs in architecture. Sure, we're going to be architects now. And he said, I'm going to check out this sweet new thing called scientology. And so he went to scientology for a minute, started learning a little bit about what they're doing. And this is early scientology. This is before they scientology learned that if he was like, oh, you guys are just making this up. No, it was before who oh boy, it was before scientology found out that if they made it a religion, then they were like exempt from a bunch of stuff. And so he was learning about scientology and he was like, this is really interesting. But he defected from scientology because he said, hey, what you guys they were using those little e machines or whatever they called them, where they held onto the polls and he's like, all you guys are trying to do is make everybody just little l Ron hubbards. And he's like, he's like, I don't want a bunch of l Ron hubbards. He's like, I think you guys are using the machine wrong. And he's like, if we get the machines, we can find out who people really are and get their enneagram type. He didn't call it that, but that's basically what he was saying. He said, we could figure out who people really are kind of helped guide them through their life in the proper way. Sure, use these machines properly. So he bought a bunch of machines from the people who were manufacturing them, which were chiropractors, and he took one of the scientologists, he met Mary Anne Clean, and he said, let's go to London and let's call up a bunch of my architecture friends. I bet they'll be down to do this with us. And so they go, and at first it wasn't like a church because it again they hadn't even the Church of Scientology hadn't figured this out yet. So This was really really early in this era. They were calling it compulsions analysis, and so it was kind of like almost like a psychology thing, Like they learned a lot from Alfred al Adler, and they were using psychology and these e machine things to understand who you are as a person and help you live as that person and like live Tordure strengths. It really was a personality assessment basically, they were starting. And so they get a group together and they're doing all this research and they're helping people find what they are. And then that came time to name their personality types. And so they said, how can we what what are the four personality types? We got here? And they did what was really logical, and they said, there's four personality types. Right, you're either a Jehovah, a Jesus, a Satan, or a lucifer as the four that they's picked. I don't know why, I know what, Okay and uh. And then they said, hey, we need to come up with a logo and they were like what it was a cross on fire. They were like, hey, we love shapes. We're architects, we love shapes, ok And so I'm going to show you some of their marketing material. And this is I don't know how long I can leave this on screen, so you need to look. And it's going to be quick because we might get to demonetize if I leave this up too long. Oh that is it's exactly what you think it is. It's pretty uh swastik. Yeah, it's very swastik They say it's the four piece there are four piece interlaid next, but they don't look like that. They look very different than that. Yeah it's red. Yeah, it's red, and it's very swastikish. Yeah. Uh and so uh, they got some negative publicity in the community, especially in Europe in the sixties. People are like, I remember that not long ago. This is an insane thing. Enough long ago, but this certainly this is pretty recent still. Yeah, and they these people were like, hey, we're just architects. We just love shapes. Okay, Like it's not we didn't even realize it. You thought that one. You're the one we were minded the gutter in the gutter, Like we're just we're just we're just like cool shapes. That's a cool you can't you gotta admit it's a cool shape. Yeah. So they because of all this negative press, They're like, we need a rebrand, and so they're looking into it and people are saying, our logo looks looks a little suspect. But here's the thing. Subway's original logo too, it's just two essays. I don't know, what do you think? So they, uh, they rebranded. But here's the thing. This was this was during a time when like a lot of people were starting to get into, uh, starting cults, and they're like, hey, if we start a church, like we get this tax exem status and all this stuff, and there's a lot of benefits to being a church, and people are more likely to donate to a church than they are to a business. Right, So they decided they were a church, and so they became the Processed Church of uh, the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. Ironically, they rebranded, didn't change the logo. So, yeah, we're the process Church of the Final Judgment. And their theology was that there it was. It was a a branch of neo gnosticism. I don't know if you're familiar with this, it was really popular in this era. Yeah. Basically that there is that God and Satan were like two equivalent deities that are at war with each other. And in this era, a lot of people in this era, especially in like the hippie world and the cult world, were like, oh, Satan's actually the good guy. God is the bad guys tricking us. Yeah, and so they a lot of them started working Satan. They took it in a different angle. What they said was that Okay, yeah, God is the good guy, Satan is the bad guy. But it's like a Ying and yang. There are two parts of one hole and they are getting ready to merge together, to be unified and back into one deity. And that's going to spark the end of the world. And they're like, and it's coming soon and so yeah, and so they were like, when that happens, we'll have the final judgment. That's why it's in the night. But this is it's it's interesting. I saw somebody mentioned in an interview about this talking about this is the Cold War and so obviously the world was it actually was like and it wasn't like it wasn't it wasn't really out that far. Fast was pretty like we're closer to it now than they were then. Yeah, at the end of the world. Oh, I mean like if if that war broke out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there there was, but we just don't live in the fear for some reason. Yeah, we were probably denial, probably should be a little more afraid to be scared. They were terrified. Every top intelligence agency actually says that, you know, because we're all like, oh, would never happen, because we would all shoot each other, and every top intelligence officers just like, ibe, it could happen, It could happen. So anyway, just have fun on your morning commute. Good morning every day. Yeah, And that's how they all felt. They they all felt, and they accurately that at any moment, some person in power could just decide to lost of the nukes and then the world's over yep. And so there was these kind of religious movements of like, hey, the world's about to end, and so we need to prepare for the end of the world. And everybody was kind of defining what that meant. And then they did some sketchy things. They decided, hey, what if we wore these cool robes with our logo on them, it does not get better at all. And then we wore our hair really long and grew out big beards. And then on top of that they were super evangelistic. They would go around in the community and in their robes just like that, and they'd be like, Hey, have you ever heard of Satan? Yeah, I've heard. You know that everything you know about Satan is a lie. Everything you've been told about the Dark Lord is actually incorrect, incorrect. So they they got a pretty bad reputation in the UK, and so they said, hey, things aren't going great here. What if we I don't know, moved to Utah on the beach somewhere. Oh, and so they went to NASA Bahamas and stayed there for a little bit. And in Bahamas, liepol NASA where Nasa? They went to NASA where Nasa Bahamas? What are you looking at me like that? For? Okay, do you think I'm wrong? Is there something that's exactly what I'm saying? Am I saying it wrong? Say Bahamas the Bahamas, Alex, say Bahamas, Bahamas, Bahamas. That's what I'm saying. You're actually like I'm saying it Bamas. I'm tired of your gas lighting me on this. If you're like me, I'm saying Bahamas, I'm saying the same thing you're saying. You're saying Bahamas. I'm saying Bahamas. That's the same thing. It's the same picture. Okay, I'm going to say, I'm going to say three different things. Okay, Bahamas, Yes, Bahamas, Okay, that's obviously different. Bahamas. Yes, that's what I'm saying. No, Oh my gosh, let me tell the rest of the stories. I was not even trying to do one of the oh you're saying it weird, Oh, we know, you're just okay, I was. I was making sure that Bahamas wasn't some place that I didn't know about. I know about the Bahamas, Bahamas, Bahama. You're saying Bahamas, that's where it is. Bahamas, Bahamas, Bahamas is not the same Missouri Missouri, which one's wrong. Different, it's literally not literally the literally the same exactly. So they go to Bahamas and they are there for a minute. Sure, a few months, couldn't really get established that we don't like the beach. Actually there's too much sand. Yeah, they said, what if we were actually in Mexico. So they go to Mexico and they're there for a minute, and they're like, we don't like this, let's go to the count Tampa nets So it still Mexico, but just a different part of it. And they're there for a little while and they love it. They're like, this is the place for us, and so they start trying to like build a village there, but there was another village already there, and they're like, what are you guys doing And they're like, you can't just come in and they're like, Okay, I guess you're right. We should go. And so they go to La for a minute. Leave La in the sixties. Yeah, they go there, but Scientology was there, and Scientology was like, you're using our machines. And they're like, you're right, we'll get out. No, no, our machines. They end up going to Bahamas, they end up going to southern Utah, and then things work out for them. They end up setting up branches in New York, New Orleans, La Mexico, like all these places that they kind of like test it out for their HQ. They start setting up these branches got it, and they had an interesting model that I'm gonna be honest with you, I think somebody's borrowed recently. They said, what if we build these little communes where everyone can live, and then near it, we build a coffee shop, and then we can welcome people into the coffee shop. And while people are there hanging out drinking coffee, reading, we can meet them, build relationship and then tell them about our Lord and Savior Satan who's borrowed it. Oh you know. And also the coffee shop is non taxable because it's part of our church. Part of our church. So it's sketchy, yeah, very sketchy. And so they're setting up all these coffee shops all over the country. I had a friend who told me that what I'm doing because I do comedy shows at churches, yes, I could establish myself as a ministry, and I would have to pay taxes. That's what you know that I'm not going to do that that I pay taxes. I pay taxes because I'm I am not going to take advantage of the system. Well, you don't pay taxes, you're planning to eventually taxes. I'm on a payment plan. I'm playing. I reluctively pay tax reluctant played to pay taxes eventually. But as for me, if there's a way I could get out of it, I would, I try so hard, but only legally. I only do it legally. I don't know. I might become a ministry. We'll see. And so they start like evangelizing this new religion and then something interesting happens. This movement becomes linked to two very significant people. You might note them as Charles Manson and the son of Sam. Wow. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things I Learned last night. If you're here and you're a little shocked because you've been watching as MR videos all night and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick and join back in the ASMR. One thing that would help us a lot and the algorithm is if you left some comments or some reviews if you're on the podcast app. We'd really appreciate that and it would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. But if not, and you're just here trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. But here's another advertisement. Well, Charles Manson just straight up says he was a member of the process Church. The sun they claim him we did questionable. Okay, So there is allegedly whenever Charles Manson was convicted, there's allegedly documentation where members of the Processed Church went to the police station to give their reports on him, and the police station said, we don't want your reports. And they said, but we know about him, and they said, we don't want your reports, and then they left. And now, yeah, similar thing with the Son of Sam. There is allegedly documentation where the Son of Sam. Because I don't know how familiar you are with the Son of Sam cases, but there is a very large swath of people that strongly believe that the Son of Sam did not act alone at the time and today, and so they think that there was multiple other people involved in the murders that he committed, but he was the only one who got to complain. And there's some pretty decent evidence that the FBI kind of trashed some evidence that linked back to some other people. Sure, and just let the Son of Sam take the fall for it, and especially his case is very it's hard to believe he could have pulled off what he pulled off alone, sure, because it seemed like yeah, anyways, and I'll say this, I there's a four year report, one hundred and seventy five page four year report on on the Best Friends Society. And it's interesting because in that the majority of it, probably one hundred and twenty pages of it are drawings and marketing material that the church put out that are pretty faded, hard to read. The rest of it is internal memos with the FBI studying the Processed Church in the early days, and then the Charles Manson case, the Son of Same case, and then later the Best Friends Society. In these internal memos, what is interesting in both the Charles Manson case and the Son of Sam case. These are heavily heavily redacted memos, so it's hard to say for sure what's going on, but it does look like they were. When both those cases happened, the FBI was looking into this organization and beliefs that they were connected to them. And in both cases there's a point where they said, we've been reviewing this Process Church and their connection to these murders. We believe that, and then it's redacted list of names were involved. We will not investigate this any further. Here's a lift of list of evidence to be destroyed, and it's like categorized evidence that's supposed to be destroyed. Okay, very strange both cases of both murders. Right. The church after this put out a serious statements saying they weren't involved in any way like the organization as a whole. And and theoretically they the organization might not have been, but there may have been some members because now it's getting like relatively large, the organization, but started facing some heat for this obviously, and and and this is now we're into the seventies. There is the Satanic panic is starting to spread because there was a lot of these cults that thought Satan was the good guy and were really typed on the devil. They actually hyped on the devil. Yeah, yeah, they actually sold out for Satan. Dare to Devil. I was gonna go Dare to die. But that was there to devils. They the church themselves. They had a put out a documentary called Sympathy for the Devil, Okay, and so like they you know, there was they genuinely were like it wasn't like they started a cult like a church to be like just evade taxes, like they were believing what they were. Okay, it's questionable, we'll touch on that again in a second, but Okay, what we need to know is there was a larger public zeitgeist that was against this stuff. Sure, and it was starting to really take shape, and so the church all of a sudden after the potential connections to the murders came out, so they weren't. Nobody involved at the church got convicted out of anything. They were publicly denied any connection, and according to the FBI, they like threw out all connection to them being a part of it. Whether or not they really were, it's a little bit of a gray area. It seems like the public concessus is that they weren't. But I don't know, it's it's grey. Sure, it's great. Uh So the church, Mary Anne decides, hey, we need to start campaigning, like, well, we've got some bad press here, and so she starts saying we should get rid of all the devil stuff. Yeah, we should bring in some puppies. She says, we should just do all the Jesus stuff, like we should just be a Christian church. And so she starts saying we should rebrand again and get rid of all the devil stuff, get rid of all the Satan stuff. It's a pretty hard sell. I think if you went to a church now, we're like, let's get rid of the Jesus stuff. Let's just go hail Satan. Yeah kinda and so she campaigns that they changed pretty much everything. Would you she's campaigning that, would you characterize what she's campaigning as is like saying we should She went to the group. She's like, guys, we're going one direction. We should we should of one eighty and go the other. Yeah, we should repent. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened. And so she she says, right, she says that not enough strong teaching these days. I'll tell you what, I'm so sick of the mamsy pamsy preachers out here, too afraid to call you out for your sin. You should repent, That's the way. So she was like, we should rename to the Foundation Church of Christ and Okay, get all the forget all the satan and stuff, do all the Jesus stuff, and start to look more Christian and uh yeah, so they're just doing it for the money. George was idea. He was like, I actually do love religion. This is a relationship that I have with our dark loword. And so this splintered the relationship between the two of them. They were married. I don't know if I mentioned this yet. They got married, they ended up getting a divorce. He goes off and he I, kids, you not goes off. He studies aliens. He studies satan, angels, and dolphins. I don't know why those four specifically, but he says, these four things, I'm going to devote the rest of my life towards the rest of my life for aliens. Well, it's because angels and dolphins speak the same language. That's actually overlooked a lot in a lot of biblical translations. It's like all the thousand eyes and wings and stuff. And also, ah, you know, yeah, that sounded more like a He literally claims, I'm not even kidding. He claims that he was meditating once and speaking to some dolphins while he was meditating, and they told him that the way that they keep records is with clamshells. So they the the like carves, the curves you see on a clamshell. That's their language. They're keeping records on clamshells, and that's how they passed down information from generations. Are their money. Yeah, so he gets crazy, but uh, and Mary Anne goes on and she's running this church and she says, what happens next is is foggy, but they're here. And she obviously was always an animal persons dolphins. Now he's gone talking to the dolphins. He's gone. The church is very splintered at this point. It's there's not a lot of unity with the church. She's got the Christian Church. There's still some devil people out there. But she is doing her thing, and there is a through line from this organization from the beginning. There's a story in Religion News of a kid who grew up in the church and the one of their teachings was that they didn't they didn't believe in like the traditional family, and so they all lived in communes, and so the kids were the community's kids. They weren't just it wasn't like this is my parents. It was like I'm part of the community. And so everybody was raised by the whole community. Sure, and apparently they were relatively abusive, not like not enough to get convicted, but like they weren't good to the kids, you know, And the kids always talked about that they were that the animals were always treated better than they were, sure, and so animals were always very important for this organization. They were always vegan and stuff like that, and so it seemed like a natural next step for them to start this animal refuge. They start the refuge honestly kind of just to take care of all their animals, and they realize they've got something here, so they start as a side ministry of the church advertising this other area that you could donate to to help. And as the story goes, this worked so much better than the church. They said, we could put some sad dogs on a piece of paper and people will throw money at us. Yeah, and so they were like, okay, we're the best friends of Animal Society now. And this was actually the latter half of that Foyer report was the FBI investigating them for white collar crime that they just became this five P'T one three C to get donations, and this was their cover story for it because they found that it was really easy to get a lot of donations this way. Again, there's all these internal memos, this all this investigation heavily heavily redacted. But at the end they say, we've decided to close this case, destroy all this evidence in a list of everything to destroy. So whether that means they got to the end of it realized Okay, I don't think we got anything here. Yeah, because this is like a real operation, they're actually taking care of animals or what yeah, or they said, oh, like there's nothing here. I did take our macaw to this place, and then it came back and every morning now we hear us Hail our dark Lord. What was that? Hail the dark Lord. Here's what's crazy, though, I had to bring a priest to my house baptized the macau. Yeah he's doing that. He does that because the cats. It's all, yeah, it's all, it's none of it is true, Hail Satan. The there I listened to an interview de monetized, gosh, we got quit doing this man from a local and she a local from Canab. She talked about the local lady. She was convinced that I think this is the great salt that the animals were. They were taking in the animals for their sacrifices to the dark Lord. Sure, and that they were doing the white collar crime. It was easy for them to campaign for money. They were getting a million dollar donations from the animal sacrifice and they were yeah, they were using that to fund all the stuff that they wanted. Because they have bought a very large portion of this valley for this. It's much larger than what you see in that picture. They just own all this land outside of it. Okay, they're not doing anything with it except for building this really cool hotel. I guess it's really cool hotels, really sick hotel, and dog casino where they they bet with their bones. I'll put a couple of chips down for this. My dog went to this hotel and he came back with the gambling addiction. Yeah, it comes back to the room with two in the morning with a cigar hanging out of his mouth. My dog is four hundred thousand bones in debt. I tell he sounds when he breaths. Now, yeah, yeah, So I don't know if. I mean obviously the Best Friends has come out to talk about this, and they say, hey, the organization that our founder was a part of prior to founding Friends is separate. It should not be considered part of what we do. Like, we're a completely different organization. And they do very clearly do a lot for animals. Sure, they do very clearly have a legitimate operation that is doing what they claim to be doing. Yeah, five one three papers. Whether they're skimming something off the top, I don't know. It doesn't I mean they have to. I didn't pursue anything, So it looks like they may probably aren't. If they have a basement where they're doing sacrifices. Who's to say. We don't know, But what we do know is the background of the Best Friends Animal Society is a little sketch. Their logo is better now though I should say was just Their logo is very different. It's I mean, it's kind of like, honestly in in it do you remember the nineties, like just in general, now, do you remember, like in the nineties all those nonprofits that ran ads and kids shows. That's kind of what this logo feels like. This feels like a kid's television nonprofit logo. Yeah, but honestly, like, if you wanted to, I bet you could make that look like a squastika. I was gonna see make that look like Satan. Yeah, I mean, if you really want to, if you squint enough, that's what the devil looks like in my brain. Now, it's honestly Best Friends. The organization probably most likely pretty legitimate organization doing their stuff. Their found their founders happened to be a cult leader. Very sketchy background, but you know, what are you gonna do? Sometimes people worship the devil and then they go on to do great. Yeah, but that's that's a hazard of anything, honestly, is the people who were involved in sketchy stuff in the sixties and seventies, they're still around. Yeah, and they're doing stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm sure most of our politicians were into satan stuff. I don't know if that's something do you want to put you want to leave that out there? You want to put that out there? That okay, I mean I'm sure most of them were. Sure. A lot of people watching this right now are like, we're and that's the problem. Ah, well, that's okay, all right, who specifically do you think let's name them. Let's start just thoughting ab out there. No, No, you don't want to do it. That's what I thought, That's what I thought. Okay, all right, well you know, I mean, let's let's book it. This is added to our artill and road trip that we got to get going. Yeah, we could stop by, so stop by for sure. Bring a pet. I'll be the pet in your room. Yeah, we'll fiddle off on that. I guess. Golly, what are you talking about? Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If things are last night. If you like this and you want more cult stuff, We've got an episode about Alistair Crowley, who's like the King of Colts. He had his fingers, his toes, every portion of his body in so many different cults just in his hand and all this stuff going on. So that's available to check out. There's a link for it in the description of this episode, or wherever you're watching or listening. Again, the best way to help us grow our show is to one support us on Patreon, But if you're not able to do that or don't want to do that, the very easy and free way to support our show is to leave a comment on YouTube or review whichever podcast after you're listening. I cannot express to you how much it helps get this in front of new people, and we're just really thankful that you're here. So we'll see you again next week on Things on the Last Night, Things are Learned, Last Things I learned Last Night

The Best Friends Animal Society operates one of the largest animal sanctuaries in the country in Kanab, Utah. At first glance, it appears to be a well-run nonprofit dedicated to helping animals. However, a deeper look into their origins reveals some concerning details. The organization was founded in the 1960s by a couple named Robert Grimston and Marianne McLean. It … Read More

This Scientist Got $450k From The DoD, Then She Disappeared

05-14-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to Things on the Last Night. This is a comedy podcast where we attempt to teach you something. And so this week's episode is about Ning Lee, who was a scientist who was who was studying anti gravity and then abruptly and immediately kind of just disappear from the public eye. And so we go through kind of what we think might have happened, and then what we know happened, and so what we know. We're serious journalists, Ye get to the root of an issue. Thanks for checking out our show. If you've been here a lot, it's a good episode. Hey, the best way to help our show grow is to share this with somebody. So if you could send send the show to because think about how you found us. Okay, you found us because someone you know shared it with you. Or if you don't have friends, you probably found us on the TikTok feed. But if you've got friends, you know that's how you got some of those you know, So share our show. That helps us grow. I didn't mean to do that. Sorry that you were about to do it too. You were about to share it, and I said, just like what you're doing, I didn't mean to do it. Amen, what's going on. All right, have you ever heard of Ningly? Ningly? Ningly? Uh No, this is a fun one. This is a person. Ningly is a person. Yes, that is a name. She's ahead, Okay. She was a physicist in Huntsville, Alabama. Well, I don't know about Huntsville, do you, Yeah, they do space stuff there, you're right. So she's she works with the space people. Yeah, the space boys, that's what they call. So she she here. I'll bury the lead. Well we probably already mentioned it in the intro, but I'll bury the lead for you. Great. So Ningly she was born in China in January fourteenth, nineteen forty three, on a wise China like that, graduating from Peking University with a degree in physics, and then in eighty three her and her whole family emigrated to the US, where she got a job in the early nineties working at the University of Alabama Huntsville in their Center for Space, Plasma and Aeronomic Research. And so while she was there, she obviously probably did a lot of different research, and she published a lot of papers. She was like a paper person. That was her, that was her of thing, and so she was constantly pushing out these papers that were getting scholarly reviews and put in scholarly or scholarly publications. Okay, and she had this specific series of papers co authored by a man by the name of Douglas Torr. And these series of papers outlined a theoretical model for or practical anti gravity, like a practical anti gravity device, meaning meaning practical as in flying saucer. I mean, yeah, a scientist but the name of Jack Sarfiti. I love your commitment to not reading these names before we're live. I'm so serious when I say that there's got to be like creative grants that we could apply for. Yeah, probably looking to that grant. What if that's what we thought? That that meant things I learned last night, Well not just flying saucers. Flying saucers would be probably included, but also hoverboards, like and then just like those cool things like trinkets that you can put on your desk that float, you know obviously, Well, because there's magnets in the earth, right, so couldn't we Yeah, if you just stuck a bunch of magnets or something and flipped them over, we should float. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying that's what her paper said. It said, should flow, should float. Yeah, she didn't used a lot of words. She drew a picture and should float and submitted it and the scholars, I mean, I can't find anything wrong with this technically true, I guess. And so according to her research, basically she she said, Okay, if we have a device, it's like a ring. And in that ring, it was something that at the time hadn't well I shouldn't say it didn't exist. It hadn't been discovered yet. It was. It existed in the mind of a lot of smart people, but they haven't figured out if it could actually really exist, you know, you know those things theory. Yeah, well I don't know. I mean, I guess the French horn, yes, where it existed in my mind and it had discovered yet. Yeah, except for everyone else. And then you discovered it and you're like, oh, it's it is. It does exist. I've seen that. I've been the man in my dreams plays the French horn. Did you see did I send this to you? That sound the French horn? Mak okay, it sounds like a horn. I don't know who tell you no, but give you In the movie intro that's like those are French horns. Oh interesting, Yeah, I guess. I just I just never picture like when I hear that, I don't picture goofy little French horn. I picture like majestic. You're listening and you picture French horn. Which one of us do you think plays it? Based on our pictures? This weekend, I was I was just in Indiana and uh, I was out in the in the lobby and this guy comes be lining straight toward me, I mean, and he's got a neck tattoo and a face tattoo, and he comes up and he just goes, you know, exactly where it's going. He goes, welcome to the crappy part of Indiana. I'm Scott. Yeah, that's what he did. I'm Skyler. I found you in jail that part of Indian Yeah, it was awesome. I mean he walked in the building like he was going to go because it was like three services and he's like there for the last one. He's like walking in and he sees me. He goes like you the robber, and like he yeah, yeah, so Skyler, good to me. You man, that's cool. I think I've been thinking about that a lot because they because we recently found out the episode where it stops jet Jeff and I think I haven't heard anything past that. And we've talked about prison a lot. Yeah, we did. We also we also started talking about prison breaks a lot. And I wonder if they were like these guys, this is like Barkley, Ma. We're giving them the way out. We're training voices from the outside, teaching them how to escape. What if we just, like, one episode at a time, have each step for how to like make a shift out of a spoon. I just love the idea of us getting indicted and then on this like brand theory that we were teaching prisoners how to escape. You're the one. We simply exploited a little posters. Hold it in your left hand, use your right hand. Come back next week for the next step. Can subscribe, Come back next week for the next step, how to make a shift. We're getting demonetized, for sure, dude. So her device, Yeah, she says, what we need is a high temperature superconductor. She doesn't exist yet a little bit about superconductors. This is what they look like. Hold on, this is what they like, ripped people in the engine of a train. I okay, So Essentially what they are is it's this little thing. Yeah, this is an actual photograph, is it for real? No, it's not. This is a This is the three D animation of them. Look. So essentially what it is is it's it's a type of material that is so conductive that you actually don't lose any of the electricity like going through it. Because normally, like even conductive like there's a little bit of loss of power. These don't lose any power. And theoretically there's like magnetism and I'm where it does just this. It will reverse poles and pushed things up and they'll just kind of levitate about. Okay, But up until this point, we knew that the only superconductors we knew of only were super conductive at ridiculously low temperatures like hundred or negative one hundred ninety degrees celsius, so super super cold. It was the only way that these existed. There was this theoretical idea that, well, obviously, if we could get these to work, there's value in superconductors. But to have them in a space where it's anything above negative one hundred and ninety is like, there's not a practical use for them because of that because it's it costs, it's so expensive to get the oh so unnecessarily aggressive. I was just getting rid of the trash. I was just throwing into our new Pa due it wasn't looking We call them Pa, Pa, Pa. Pa thought his name was Pa the whole time. Ba, I just thought it was your name. I just assumed that was your name. Isn't it crazy that all three of you are named Pa? What a weird name? What a crazy I haven't been a single pop. You got to figure out a way to differentiate between you guys. What are your middle names? Your Pa, your papa, your papa? All right, so super connectors, your knee deep? What are you smashing grapes? And it's celsius here just out there, knee deep like those commercials. No, that's what because your body as you drink fluids, it just fills up, and so I've got it to my knees. This is where your liquid goes. Commercial? Is it that they're like in the big Is it cranberry cranberry juice? Cranberry juice? For some reason, I was thinking it was bush as beans. I was like, there's no reason they'd be standing and that nurse is not like that can't be. We love be. We got so many beads that are Bush's beans factory that we just got a way through it. Yeah. I mean, I'll be honest. When I was a kid, I thought Bush's beans belonged to George W. Bush. This is not a joke. I was like. I was like, those are those are Republican beans. Republic beans beans. Okay, I threw the water bottle. I thought it would be really funny, and you just derailed. Sorry, Pa, Okay, So the obviously, yeah, in real life a superconductor is not usable because it has to be so cold, like it would you would use more energy getting it that cold than you would save by having it super condie. Yeah. Yeah, and then also like yeah and so, but she was like, what if it hovers above us? Well, that there had always been, like I shouldn't say, a theory, just a whole that someone would find a way to have high temperature superconductors because that way they could exist in the real world and you'd have to get them super cold for them to work. And so in her model, if you could get a high temperature superconductor, right, she said, Okay, if there's a way where we could flip. You could have the superconductor spin one way and you could flip the ions in it, and essentially it would reverse that polarity and then it could hover. And so she wrote this paper and all the scientists were like, yeah, I mean it sounds like this is something that's possible, and so they said thumbs up, you can publish this. And then it got published and she became like a I mean, like any famous person. Some people were like big fans. Some people were like, oh, like she became like any famous person, like she's doing the Late night tour. Oh no, not that famous, any famous person for the nerds. But people who were like, yeah, there's people who really like her and thann Tho's people who are like you, this is stupid. Yeah. People were like it'll never work, right. And so she wrote a couple of other papers. And remember I mentioned this person before she was a paper person. She wrote a lot of papers, big, big paper paper person, wrote a lot of papers. Write this one, writes a couple more about it. It seems like it's going good. And then she says, you know what, I made it all up. I told you how I wanted to be a country star. What. I thought it'd be really funny too. Yeah, I guess I thought it'd be really funny if I dedicated like twenty years and became like a Garth Brooks sized country star. Uh. And then was like just a bit yeah, And it was like, look how easy it is to make it in this space, because I mean so many people that like started out as like serious indie musicians like rock or whatever, transitioned over to country. Taylor Swift did country, yeah, and then transitioned into country. Is just like the lowest entry level. Yeah, that's true. That is true. Well, sorry, if you love country, we just called it low bar is. I'm not sorry. I'm sorry at all. Dude. Yeah, that'd be fun though. We should do it. I'll go with you. Do you want to be I'll be your country bassist. I'll play this guy. You play bass? Yeah, well I play guitar too now yeah, yeah, I remember I'm doing them mid like have a guitar, No I play. I play it all the time. Anyway. I talked to my wife. We got a dinner like conversations and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, we're still in the honeymoon phase. So you guys, you guys got a whole we'll go on walks. That's insane. Okay, Son, So she wrote these papers kind of is looming over her. Yeah, yeah, I got to figure this out before like computers, I'm gonna leave University of Alabama at Hutsville, Okay, because like all I'm doing here is researching stuff. I think I've got a product here. And so she's like, she's like, I think I got something that can actually like be commercially by. So she starts a company AC Gravity LLC because she means LLC, And Okay, I'm trying to figure out what she's selling. The the anti gravity device. It's called AC gravity. Yeah, but like that's not I have no applicable use for this, but it just floats. That's kind of neat. Yeah, well think about it. You gotta keep your AC really low. Think about it. If if she was correct and was able to find a high temperature superconductor, this could be a component that would go in vehicles because now like you don't need floating vehicles. Yeah, you don't need thrusters anymore. If you have the anti gravity, like you can just float and angle that and then that propels you. So it's a whole new form of propulsion. Got so it would be very valuable for like any sort of transportation. But there's also I mean there's also like commercial uses of it, Like the hoverboard thing is definitely a sure. But then I mean, look around us. Look at all this stuff that we've got that's like on the ground, that's just on the floor, Like, what is the point of this? Oh my, imagine how much clue? I mean, if you think about it, though, this is a fire hazard. I bet we're breaking fire code. Actually, actually I bet we're breaking fire code. But if we could just set all this stuff, all these cameras and all these lights and everything, and just float them, then we could roll underneath it. And you should more, you should use your pointer finger more than flat handing that because you do that a lot. You just wait until next week's episode. We'll be right back. Okay, all right, Okay, So I guess I'm yeah, I'm saying so she's she's thinking more of like I'm going to start a company that then other companies would buy my they would buy the anti gravity component to then Bill I was direct to consumer, and I was like, what are we doing with this? I got it? The all new floating toaster. A toaster with toasts that you can't reach. That's kind of the appeal. Yeah, it's like it's like it's you've had too many cars. We made it so you can't even reach your fridge. So she starts this business in ninety nine, appears to begin working on this. She actually here's the deal. Her her colleagues apparently like really believed in it, because the chair of her department at the University of Alabama Huntsville, a guy in the name of doctor Larry Smalley, eves his post to join her and starting this company along with her co author what was his name, Douglas tor They both leave this is a fraud, and they start this company and and and here's the They have a a what's the word journalist? A journalist comes to their office to like see the device. So here is her and this is Douglas Tour on the left, who was her core author, and then that Larry Smalling on the right. And so there you see. It's like a little donut, but it's not. It's a it looks like a record player. Oh, that's actually really going to compare it to a really big donut. So that's better, but like a really big one, like a donut where if you see it, you're like, I don't know if I could eat that by myself, but you do eat it by yourself. Yeah, yeah, you feel bad all day for sure, yeah all week. But yeah, it looks like a record player. It does look at And so what they said a bigger hole in the middle. Allegedly what happened at this demo with this this journalist is they said, hey, you can take whatever you want and place this above this device and it'll just float wherever you left it. And they said, oh, sorry, it looks like it's off. Turn it on. And then he stuck his hand over there and it shot out into space and we never saw him again. No, So they took a bowling ball and they held it above and they let go of it and it just floated there. And then they moved it and moved it higher up above it and just floated there. And what they said is what will happen is from the point wherever you set that, from the surface of the Earth to outer space, there is a field where there is no longer any past viable for everything. Because I mean, let's you can't fly planes, hey, I guess you could. You couldn't cross traffic. Yeah, I guess you couldn't cross traffic. Is yeah, yeah, you got to put a lid on that at some point, real life lightsabers, Like, there's no way to make it just end except I mean then you just point it at your friend. Well here's the thing. It doesn't. It doesn't shoot you away. It makes you It takes your weight away. So what they what they said is like, we'll take a fifteen pound okay, So it's not moving it up, it's not moving it. What it does is it makes it to where the forces of gravity don't exist. What means you weigh nothing. And so like what they I don't know how they measured weight, if they had a scale, but they set it on or something and then held it above. But they had a fifteen pound a fifteen pound bowling ball, and they're like, here, we measure it outside fifteen pounds and then we put it in the gravitational field. We put it over a zero, and so it just floats away. When the journalists saw the bowling ball float allegedly, I don't know. Yeah, this is a fraud, is what we're covering. Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know, I don't anytime you go her. Actually actually one of her like colleagues left the company too, and it's like yeah, yeah, okay, cool cool. So so they do this, this paper or this publication goes out. I believe it is Wired that does this. Wired magazine does this expose on it. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you want to help us grow our show, one of the easiest and best ways to do that is to join our Patreon. It's a way for your financial to support this show, and you get a lot in return. You get access to our discord channel, you get bonus content that comes out, you get exclusive merchandise, and like live Zoom hangouts where we're both just hanging out, eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't support us financially, we're not pressed about it. We're not like mad, but I'll find you. So text till into six six eight sixty six to keep yourself from being found, all right, because if you don't, I will want you down. So in two thousand and one, Young Company, Young Company, Okay, they get awarded a grant from the Department of Defense specifically for anti gravity research, and we have record of this grant. They were awarded four hundred and forty eight thousand dollars. We had a lie dude to research anti gravity. And what's interesting is these research grants, the way they always work is you get the grant and then you do the research and there's a term for your research period, right that term expires and so in this case it was two thousand and two was when the term expired. And then you publish your papers that you discovered from the research. And so essentially this just gave you a bunch of money to do the research and publish the paper. Well, what's interesting is that grant period went through, they got the money. We have a paper trail of the money going through to them, but then there was never a paper published about the research. And there's no evidence that the company ever did any work ever get but we have paper trail as recently as twenty twenty one of their LLC getting renewed, So they've been renewing the LLC every year. But we have no public evidence of the company doing any more work. Sure, yeah, okay, conspiracy. Here's my thought. I think that the LLC is listed on some of the patents that they might have. Yeah, and so they have to keep renewing it to own the patents. Still an interesting theory. No, I mean it's the most likely. That feels more more likely than whatever we're going to spend the back half of this episode. What do you think I'm gonna spin the backup of this episode. I think you're gonna be like, here's some theories. So this was, you know, two thousand and two was you know, So after receiving this grant, let's get into it. After receiving this grant, Lee, could we apply for grants? I mean, we can apply for them. I don't know if we can get them. I'm so serious when I say that there's got to be like creative grants that we could apply for. Yeah, probably we should look into it. Yeah, look into that grant. What if that's what we thought that that meant we got a few grants from the government, and it's just some government, some grant that worked in the taped up. What we took it? We took it. He taped it. We got some grants. His ransom is four hundred and forty eight thousands. We had Pad Papa, go get grand Papa. Now you're Papapa. Nope, nope, Pa, not pop Pop. You're not supposed to talk right now, Pa Papa. Sorry, this is confusing. Too many paws in the room, too many Pause. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. Okay, here's the thing. So after this d D Grant was awarded, she never published another paper again. Sure, but remember I said she was a paper person. So this is this is this is odd for a lot of reasons. One, like I said, she published papers often multiple times a year. Two, that's the point of the research grant. The point of the research grant is to publish the paper at the end of the research crew. Do you think that? Are you saying, are you going to suggest that she was doing all this research but then it became classified research. Well here's what's interesting. Obviously, never published report for this, never never published another paper. It's always the twenty eighteen foy or was it twenty twenty one for you? Yeah, this is the big one. What year was the big one? Yeah? I think it was twenty twenty one. Yeah, the twenty twenty one FOYA report that you know, Tim was like, everything's real, So she uh accept the moon landing. She The last, the last like public record we have of her doing anything is in two thousand and three at the m I TRI conference. I think that's pronounced meter miter meter. And so she gave a presentation about the measurability of AC gravity fields. And she had a co presenter who was an official from the Redstone Arsenal, which is the part of the Army's Aviation and Missile Command, and so they kind of co presented this PowerPoint together. She did one slide, he died one slide, and they were like, look at our word art. Two thousand and three. I'm sure they had word art, and so they pointed out the stuff, did their slides. That was the last thing that we saw her do publicly. A few months later in May, there was a private email that she sent to some of her former colleagues that we have record of where she claims to have conducted some experiments where there was eleven kilowatts of output from her device. Okay, what's significant about eleven kilowats? None of us know, but Apparently she seemed excited about that result. How much does my microwave put out? How many killer watts in a microwave? It's more? Wait what it's more, it's a lot more. It's like, there's way more one hundred and twenty is it? Well wait, no, that's watts, not killer watts. Wait, so fifteen minutes if you ran, if you use a microwave for fifteen minutes per day, it will use about six point one kill hours of electricity. Microwave uses six hundred and two one thousand watts of electricity, So that's not a thousand is one killoot? Right? Right? So this is this is eleven microwaves. That's what I'm saying. That's that's a lot of power. That's a lot of power. It is eleven microwaves worth a power. Okay, but now we've got someone builds a vehicle text powered by microwaves, and they got to hit the popcorn button just on eleven different microwaves. Boo boo, and it's like Doc in Back to the Future. Boom boom. They're all up here like the like the plane on the ceiling. That's what they're full microwave, just drill seven thirty seven is seven hundred and thirty seven microwaves. That's the whole thing. Why do you think they keep crashing? Can't you can't even bring a microwave through TSA. That's why, because you'll mess with the other microwaves on you're not micro. But I'm sure you're not allowed to bring a microwave on the plane. There's no way. I try often enough that we can just try. You know, Oh really I can't bring this. That's fly tonight. I'll go, yeah, I think we do have to spare microwave with that rue. All right, let's run it, dude. This is my carry on item. Bro, I've been I get through. I've also got to get on the Southwest plane microwave carry on? Can I put this in the overhead It'll fit in the seat underneath me. Underneath, it'll fit underneath the seat in front of it. Can you imagine sitting down on a plane, the dude in the aisle seat has the microwave in the like seat under him. But he brought one of those our packs, yeah, the power to USB things. So he plugs it into the USB and just starts microwaving. He's making popcorncorn. Oh yeah, dude, Wow, honestly, there's no way. There's no way. I don't see why you couldn't bring because it's too easy to start a fire with a microwave, I know, but there's I don't see why you couldn't. We almost weren't allowed to have microwaves out of Angel and Scott Hall almost. What do you mean you guys fought for it protested. Yeah, we did. We had to fight. There was a battle for your right to a wave and we won. We won that fight. Yeah. Anyways, so she's got eleven microwaves with the output coming out of this thing, and she's excited. She emails all of our colleagues. She's like, oh my gosh, you're never gonna believe how many microwaves worth the power we got out of this thing. And everyone saw that and was like, wow, good job, congratulations, thumbs up emoji. What are you doing googling? Microwave is allowed through the checkpoint? Oh my gosh, can you plug it in? This should be removed from luggage. Oh did you look it up? You can't have it in your luggage though. Is kind of like you declined my air drop sending you the Google result me, I did. I tried to send it. Oh, I didn't even get a notice for it. This is crazy. The list on TSA dot gov you can bring. Yeah, so here's the deal. I'm not we won't have to bleep this. But if you bring just a bunch of forks, I think you bring forks, right, maybe not forks, spoons it works, and a microwave utensils. Yeah. Sorry? Can I just read a little bit of this, uh to me? It's on some travel website talking about we're not sure why airplanes would allow you to bring a microwave, but it's allowed. It says you'll want to verify that your airline allows microwaves on board and the ears fits within the size limit for carry on bags or personal items. There's nothing worse than backing up the boarding process because you can't fit your microwave in the overhead compartment. Yeah. Can I take kitchen appliances on a plane? Is a? Is an asked question on kayak dot com. This is, I mean nothing, nothing's worse than when you're on vacation you just find an appliance. The lenders are allowed. You just can't have the blade in the blender. What do you ship the blade separately? Like this article also says you can bring live lobsters. Hold on, did we talk about this recently? I just got a back full of lobsters. Yeah, this bag is all lobsters of this backs mic wave. I will say there was a flight where were we at goodness, we were on a flight and the plane smelled like fish? You know that? Yeah? What was going on? That's so nice. I think it was actually to our our thing in uh in. Anyway, we were, we were flying and we get the baggage claim and there's a person who had gone like to Alaska and gone fishing, and they had checked a gigantic cardboard box of like fish, and so the entire baggage claim smelled. That's the smell that was coming up into the plane. Yeah, it's that guy. It's that guy. Yeah, yikes. Luckily I have my a wave there. Luckily to fish in there. Yeah, they'll smell better if we cook them, yea. And then yeah, and then it brought everyone on the plane together just to like a meal. Everyone on the plane got to have a meal together. And because another kid CRUs some Yeah, and we put two fish in the microwave. And it just kept digging and more and more fish kept coming out. You'd open it for that. So she sends out this email. All of our yeah, all of our colleagues are like, wow, that's impressive. But we have literally not heard from her since that email. No emails, No she's not been no public again, No I'll find her, no public record of her. No, here's a good picture for the here, I'll show you one with her team. I'm going to get you. And so she was someone who was pretty pretty well in the public eye, at least in her field. Sure, all of a sudden was out of her field in two thousand and three, and so there was some work done to try to track her down. Someone thought it was a little odd. In two thousand and four, a journalist by the name of Tim Ventura, and so he contacted another scientist that worked in the field by the name of Eugene Uh Pod clintonov, podklintonv Pod Clintonov. That's this guy, Eugene Pod Clinton Nov. Okay, he he tells, Uh, this journalist, he says, Okay, here's the deal, mister, what happened mister Tim Ventura? He, by the way, a little bit about Eugene we probably should establish this guy is. He's a Russian scientist working at tamp tamp Pierre University of Technology, which is in Norwija. I think he published a bunch of papers on superconductivity. Was also reaarching researching anti gravity. Also did like expose a and Wired magazine Wired was I guess into this for a minute. He was expelled from the universe ninety seven for some reason I don't really know. I couldn't track down why. But then he went and worked, tried to work in the field and then kind of fell off the face of the earth up to that. Who knows what he did. Maybe he discovered something he shouldn't have. What do you Okay, So Eugene tells Tim Ventura, this this journalist. He says, okay, here's the deal, he said the email that Tim has on record for ningly, he says. Tim says, I've been emailing her like every couple of months the past few months, and I'm getting read receipts, but I'm not getting any replies. So I know she's opening it. I know, or at least I know somebody's opening him, but nobody's replying to me. Sure, And so Pokola nav is like, oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and she he's like, she is currently still working with a DoD because he claims he's working with the DoD as well. Okay, so he's like, he's like, she's working with the do D. But she has a higher level of security clearance, so she's not allowed to talk to journalists or anybody about anything that she's doing, and so it has to be very underground what she's working on, and so she's probably seeing it all, but she's just deleting it. She's not allowed to respond. Eugene says, I also don't have like a contact number or an email for her, Like obviously you have an email that's getting to her from now, but I don't have like a direct line to her. But he's like, yeah, she's working at the DD. So Tim puts this out and the public's like, oh cool, So she's still working on it. And clearly she was like, I don't want to say the front runner in this field, but close to it. Like she seemed to be making a lot of headway, and after getting that DD contract like went pretty underground, right, so it seemed like she might have found some things right well in two thousand and eight, a scientist by the name of Jack Sarfiti answered a question on an interview. I love your commitment to not reading these names before we're live. You know, I've read these names a dozen times in preparation, and you go, Jack Sarfiti spy. So Jack Sarfaity He gets asked a question in an interview that was put up on a YouTube video in two thousand and eight. Okay, and Jack Sarferiti is another scientist in this field. He's also researching anti gravity. He says, this is just a direct quote. I'm just going to read the quote from him. So here's what he says. This is very important from a national security and political point of view. One of the key scientists is a Chinese woman named Ningley. She has disappeared and gone back to China. She was working at NASA and at the Red Stone Arsenal, but she has disappeared for several years now. The people at the Pentagon cannot reach her anymore. She's allegedly back in China, and the Chinese are pouring money into similar experiments. Now, that's why our intelligence guys are very interested. The most likely people to develop the first anti gravity propulsion technology? Are the chaiese and so this did say it like that, though, Why did you say like that at the end? Are the Chai nesey he? I don't know how he said it. I just read the interview. Why did you say Chinese? It's emphasis dramatic? Are the yeah? You know how to you said the Chai knees? Why did you say that? That's like saying that I am an amhara? Can it? It's emphasis? Okay, have you ever heard of it? No? Not like that. Uh So this interview comes out and there are some people kind of following this. It's kind of a niche community of people following this. But this kind of like blew the lead off. Everyone's like, oh my gosh, wait, like, yeah, she's gone. China got to her, they took her, and like now they're using her to get ahead of everybody on on the anti gravity stuff. Right. H There's some issues with Jack's Sarfiti though. Okay, Jack was kind of blacklisted from most of like legitimate science communities, and he was he was one of those guys that started up his own lab. Sures like I'm doing my own thing and I'm like researching truth and stuff. Here's the thing. Here's his profile picture on Twitter. Yeah, and so that tells you pretty much everything you need to know about him. I also don't understand how he made this or why he made it the way he made it, because there's just like there's four different people in it. Yeah, he's the one on the left with that. But he would wear those sunglasses, yeah, really thin ones like the small Yeah yeah yeah yeah, untrustworthy. That's a pretty untrustworthy trait. So he uh, and his Twitter is littered with like I'm trying to think of a nice way to series. Yeah, yeah, it's UFO stuff, conspiracy stuffs, tons of uh yeah, yeah, that's definitely definitely some of that, lots of RFK, definitely some of that, oh yeah, some light bigotry. Yeah. The majority of his Twitter, honestly at this point is just RFK Junior retweets. Oh so that's the kind of guy this guy is. And so it does kind of check out that he would just honestly just assume this that Okay, yeah, that Ningley is back in Chackage. Oh she's back in China. Yeah, she's not even from and this is and to be fair, this is two thousand and eight too, and so like the world was a pretty different place at the time, and I think he just lost his house in the market crash probably honestly, so it could have been okay, yeah, this in shortly after this, I think it was like twenty seventeen, there is this video that comes out by YouTuber by the name of Barely Sociable who covers the story and it is like, no one knows where she is, isn't that crazy? And covers the whole story, covers some of these theories of like maybe she's working on a ground with the DoD Maybe she didually get approached by China and is back in China doing this. Maybe aliens are like, hey, you're revealing our secrets. Stop doing that. And then they're like, want to see how we built the pyramids and she's like that'd be cool, and they're like, okay, we're going to take you to Mars, and then they dropped her off and left her there. That's a possibility. He didn't mention that in the video. That was just kind of something I thought of just now off the like that was just straight out of my brain. Pretty impressive. I actually have this in my notes Aliens and in parentheses cutable segment. I didn't cut it though. I thought it'd be fun. Okay. So Bailey Sociable does his video right, okay, and he he he whatever does all that, It does really good. It gets like three million views, and everyone's like really good and made those real good, real good. And there's a large population of people now all of a sudden that are like obsessed with the story. Sure, where's Lee? What happened in why don't we have anti gravity yet? Did Fossil Fuels shut her down? Because if this works, that's true. Fossil Fuels like, hey, we we threw that body in the ocean that one time. Let's do that again. You know, they've got a precedence for this. Do you think they're hiring out those things? What? Like? Yeah, is there like one company that's doing it for all of them? Though, because like he did it for the Rockefellers, he did it for Boeing, he did it for you're saying, there's like an assassin like brand agency. Yeah, an agency, the agency, that's what they call themselves. That's kind of how they call themselves, the agency. Yeah, we take care of problems. Well, no, we discreetly handle issues there you go. Yeah, yeah, that's the brand. So yeah, the agency took care of it. Yeah. Well, there was a local journalist by the name of Noah Logan, local to Huntsville, Alabama, and he was like, Hey, this is something that happened in my community. And he was like, if I see her around all the time, she's actually a sandwich artist in some way. Yeah, she's a manager there, but she's managing a subway, managing somebody. Here's the thing though, it's the weirdest some way I've ever been to. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of Things I learned last night. If you're here and you're a little shocked because you've been watching as MR videos all night and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick and join back in the ASMR. One thing that would help us a lot and the algorithm is if you left some comments or some reviews if you're on the podcast app. We'd really appreciate that and it would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. But if not and you're just here trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. But here's another advertisement. So it was a subway, but she bought it in two thousand and three and renamed it a C Gray LLC. But you walk, but it's still still still all this stuff. Yeah, got all the like the meat pictures of New York City on the wall for some reason. What is the New York City? It's the subway system that doesn't make a lot of sense. Okay, yeah whatever, y Yeah, subs and subways. Okay did you see that? Subways doing six dollars six inches? Now, six dollars six inches, six bucks six inches is what the is? What the graphics? So they didn't learn their lesson. Yeah, I was literally about to We talked about this here before. Yeah yeah, okay, like yeah, and that is absurd too. Let's talk about it a game so I can get a social media clip. H go for it, Go for it. No, it's just six six bucks six inches. They did not learn their lesson. If you've not heard us talk about this before, when they did five dollars foot long, that was a huge campaign, and it actually was a huge way more than it was I think supposed to. But anytime that you market something as a certain price, the dollar menu four for four, yes, five dollars foot long, that's not realistic to keep up with forever, obviously, because burgers used to cost a nickel. You know, eventually things just costs more. It's just how the world works. That's how inflation happens, right, So it's very short sided marketing. I can't believe they're doing it again. It's crazy because I still if I go to Subway, I don't go to Subway often anymore. If I go to Subway and I order foot long, I see the price, I constantly am like, this is overpriced exactly, and I never I never go, oh, it's supposed to be five dollars. I was walking away twenty years ago. That's not realistic to do that now. You don't know how much a chicken sandwich of Chick fil A costs. They never market on their prices, and they also never give discounts. They never give twenty percent off, because every time I order pizza, if I don't have a little coupon, I feel like I'm overpaying. Yes, yeah, that's smart, it's it's just short sighted decisions that and I just I'm it's blowing away. And that's the thing with Wendy's, like surge pricing. Yeah, Weindy's didn't announce that. I bet most people would never not even noticed. Yeah, if they would have just did it. Wendy's just quietly started doing it. But also once someone figures it out and then you realize they've been quietly doing it. It's like the Amazon thing. What's the Amazon thing? Josh? We talked about the area they just walk out stores? Oh yeahah, and so like they have an AI that tracks your movement. If you know the just walkout stores, Alex, have you heard this No? Okay, great, I'll tell you the just walk out stores with this big thing in twenty seventeen where Amazon was like, you can just go in, you scan your car when you walk in, you like scan your credit card, and then you just pick up a bottle of water and a bag of chips, and the AI is watching through these cameras up here, and it is charging you for the items that you pick up and put in your bag and then you just walk out right, And they were like, look how advanced our AI is. People start dumping money into the Amazon stock because because their AI is so advanced, we want to get in early on this. What else are they going to do? Turns out they were supplementing their AI. The AI was tracking you, but it still had to be manually checked, and so they were using cheap labor from India who was watching each individual person to make sure that the AI actually grabbed the right stuff and then would just correct it or use it. So really it was just a person going, Okay, they grabbed a bag of chips, and they grabbed a bottle of water, and you know what's going to happen to them? They got super rich and people bought a bunch of stock because they were like this AI is so crazy. But it was just cheap labor from somewhere else, and that's crazy to me. Happy Capital, you are a conspiracy person who like falls into these deep holes of like, oh yeah, they made someone disappear. I'm just looking at what they're outright doing and I'm getting radicalized, like what happened? You know? And I owe money to the I R S because I'm self employed, and if I don't pay it, they're gonna arrest me and put me away. But what's gonna happen to Amazon? Nothing? Nothing, they're gonna keep. They're gonna charge you two ninety nine more a month for ads. Yeah, because yeah, they're not making as much money off those stores. Now they've got to supplement that income somehow. It makes me so irrationally angry. So anyway, and someone's gonna get rid of people. Do you know that all together? Well, I mean the human race, someone's gonna annihilate the world. No, they're they're maybe you're going to a subway. Now you can't see the meats anymore. Do you know that? I did, They've done anything because Picklemans you can't see the stuff. You can see it, but like you gotta like you're behind the count look over. Yeah, yeah, but you can see. I bet Chipotle and and some way are both gonna go to this model where you don't see the food pay anymore. And uh, and they're pushing more or like order ahead plausible deniability. Yeah, they just want you to order on the app and then you can show pick it up. Yeah. I mean, I always felt like whenever I worked at Pickleman's, it was very inefficient to let the customer be a part of the process while you're making it. I was like, just tell me what you want at the beginning, I'm gonna make it because then otherwise they're sitting there and they're like, oh, what if you do that? Could you put some more? Say? And it's the putting more that the business is like, ah, you know because the this is true. The formula for a subway sandwich if you want olives is six olives on there, six little olive rings. That's in foot long sub That isn't they want you to put on there? That is an insane amount of olives. It's so little as well. And they just put six little rings on there. Yeah, that's not olives. So if you're putting more than that, that's that's no lives. That's no lives. We should be bargains. We're good at naming stuff. All lives matter. That should have been their campaign, not six to matter. All this matter. As many olives as you want to put it on the side, as many olives as you wanted your sandwich. What say what you putting olives on? Anyway? Black olives? You put it on the sandwich and you put them side by side all the way across the sandwich, so you close it. There's a thin black line all the way across, all just falling out. What do you do when you have olives that fall out of your savings. Do you pick them up and need them just eat them separate eating you just open them and toss them back in anyway, all right, so anyway my subway. Right, So, Noah Logan, he's a local. I took up fifteen minutes. Let's wrap this up, Huntsville business journal journalist yea. And so he says he watches that YouTube video and he's like, He's like, I bet I could figure this out. He's like, this is local. He's like, there's probably not that far I have to go to figure this one out. And so he releases an article July thirty, twenty twenty three, because he did figure it out. And so he tracks down her. Well, first of all, I should say, he finds her obituary from twenty twenty one. So after the social article our video came out there, her obituary comes out. She died in twenty twenty one, and the obituary says that she was like an accomplished astrophysicist, worked for NASA and the d D and contributed greatly to the world of science. Right, And so he tracks down her son and reaches out to her son and is like, hey, mind if I come over to your place for a bit, and the guy was like, he was, oh, what hang out, I'm just looking for some com looking for some friends. And so the guy says sure, and so this sudden lets him come over. His son's name. Her son's name is George. So he goes over to uh uh. Noah goes over to George's house and they you know, exchange pleasantries, get to know each other, and then he's like, hey, I got some questions for you. And he's like, oh, is that what the sound home? Hey? Is your mom agent for China? What excuse me? Does your mom or did she? Sorry, did your mom work for the communist Chinese? Is that like really hard? Like yeah, it's essentially the interview that the what's his face the senator did for the CEO of TikTok? Yes, yeah, the same thing. Do you have any loyalty to the CCP? No, I'm senator, I'm Singaporean. I don't know, I don't care what kind of diet you're on. So stupid. So this journalist, Noah asks George and he says, hey, did you ever talk to your mom about her work? And he said, yeah, I asked her once, And this is a direct she grabbed my face and she said, never bring this out to me again. Men will come for you and they'll kill us. Both men will come for you, and they won't look like humans because they're not. You will end up tied up in a podcast studio listening to do idiots ramble about conspiracy theories and aliens. They're making stuff up and Jim's gonna spin his Celsius in the carpet. Dude, this is That's not the life you want to live. Son. Don't go down that path. So here's the deal. He says, this is a direct quote. He says, yes, I said, I said, Mom, do you need to tell me something? She told me. First off, you don't. You don't talk to me. She said, First off, you don't know anything. Second off, if you even think you might know something, you forget about it. And he says, I said, okay, that's fine. So honestly, I would really like to treat my children like that before they have the Internet and can figure out what I do. Stand up, Your parents are like, what do you do for work? First of all, I first asked that question again. Second off, if anybody asked you that question subway, tell them, tell them he's a regional manager for so restaurants. No, no, no, no, that's too high of a position. I am just a sandwich artist. I clock in, I work maybe twenty five hours a week, no benefits. So the conversation continues and George does confirm for Noah that she never stopped working for the dd She continued working for the DoD throughout of her career. But he also said she never left for China. What's interesting though, in two thousand and eight, he does remember China did approach her and she turned it down. Yeah. They were like, hey, what if you came and worked over here? They were like, hey, can we come over to your house? She was like sure, and so yeah, China approached her and asked her, hey, what if you came and did all this stuff for us instead? And she was I guess she was like, hey, I don't know about that. I think she was more like, I am more afraid of the United States Government than I am of you at this point right now. Yeah, the position the curtain state in my life. And so she turns them down and they're like, ah, fiddlesticks. So they go back to China and then a couple sorry shucks, because Robert's going to think it's the end. He's gonna be so confused, too close, too close A shucks And they go back to China. A couple of years later, her mother passes away and they won't let her back in the country to go to the funeral, and so they are like, you know how to get back to China. Yeah, give us your secrets. Yeah, they like, tell us about gravity. And she was like, I am the most anti gravity person you're ever going to me. She looks, she looked at the Chinese Communist Party in the eye, and she said, you don't know anything, and if you think you do, you forgot I forget about it. That's an aggressive thing to say to someone. Your parent either works for the DoD or the mob. You know what I'm saying, that's the only two options. And so he says he does say he does mention that, uh he noticed a change in his mother after she left working at the University of Alabama. Yeah, because he said, I think the secrecy really wore her down. And she also like, was I think I think she expected a different experience. I'd be curious on some psychological studies of people who work in defense, and we have to be super secretive, not even just defense, but like just other sectors that you your whole work is n d A. Yeah, you know that you can't you're not allowed to talk to you about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's tough. And he's curious about the rise of workplace romances that could happen because the only people that you're allowed to talk yeah to you should do a study on that. Maybe we could get a grant for it. Grant get on that you'll see your family when it's done. But he says that ruthless. He says that she clearly was really struggling with it. And he also means to be clear on the bit here. Just if you guys are sure what's happening. We have kidnapped a person named Grant. And it's not like, oh, we were joking. We did this. They followed through there. We always followed through bits. You can. If enough people buy the hat that says free Grant got we'll do it, then we'll let him go. But you gotta buy the merchandise. Your life is in the mercy of our twelve listeners. Buddy, here's the thing. If you know someone named grant and you haven't heard from them in a while. Maybe you should buy a hat reach out. Man. I hope there isn't a missing grant somewhere that it's pinned on her. So he says that he thinks the secrecy wore her down, especially because he says she took great pride in like all of the work that she was doing, especially like all of her Yeah, she was publishing papers about it. She was gaining notoriety for it. She was she had a voice. Yeah, and then had the nineties for Yeah, you know, a woman to be leading the charge and the charge on that field like that especially, it was a big deal. It's still a big deal. Yeah. She was very proud of it. And then all of a sudden she had to go underground. And he says, I think it I think it wore on her. Yeah, And so Logan that interview, published the interview and published the full story of everything up to this point. He also submitted for a Freedom of Information Act on her work, and along with a lot of other people, he found record of many other FOIA requests that have all been denied. So they don't want anyone to know what she was actually doing. Is apparently still top secret. She ended up in twenty fourteen getting I can't I'm the worst she didn't have been twenty fourteen getting hit that car. I can ever do these transitions the job just like tragedy. They trying to figure out anti gravity and work. She was thinking that don't ut around and throwing it in front of cars to see if they'd shoot up. And yeah, so she can't hit by a car. And it was actually really tragic because her husband witnessed it and he had a heart attack. He passed away a year later from like as a result of the heart attack, and she actually ended up like having a traumatic brain injury that gave her and so for the next six years she lived on the rest of her life with Alzheimer's. Her son George took care of her until she passed away in twenty twenty one. And so this was by the time that very barely sociable video came out. She had this accident had already happened. She was already out of her career, so things were not happening, yes, but no one would know about that because at that moment, it's just she's just home bedridden pretty much. So uh, here's the Yeah, here's the thing. Mainly probably made some discoveries with anti gravity. Whether or not they're actually things that are like in use, yeah, it's questionable. But here's something pretty significant. I don't know if you saw this after you remember when David Grush did that hearing with the the Congress about the aliens that he witnessed. One of the things that came as a result of that was a massive report that Congress did, like an internal study, and they publicized this big report. A lot of stuff in there that they couldn't explicitly discuss, but after their kind of conclusion in that report was that there are after looking at the classified documents of this and talking to people who have high enough security clearance to know what's going on, they said, we do not believe that this is non human intelligence that's controlling these crafts. They said, we believe that the technology that is being used in these test vehicles are so beyond our current technology that to anybody, even trained personnel, it looks like humanity couldn't have came up with this. And so that was in their report. They were like, we can't tell you what it is, We can't tell you where they're doing it, or what kind of technology is in it, But it's so advanced that even people who know a lot about this would think that it's not us was the conclusion that they made cool And so anti gravity does sound a lot like the devices that were described by Grush and all these other people, like the tiktac UFO and all the stuffs that people were seeing. Right, And she was working on that, and she allegedly discovered it and had eleven microwaves worth of power that she was putting out, and so that many microwaves in a tick making to some crazy stuff pretty nuts. So we don't know for sure if that's what happened, But I'm gonna be honest with you. I nowadays, I think I think, I think I think that her discoveries are the source of a lot of these UFO sidings for the last twenty years. I'm sure. Yeah, And she wasn't allowed to talk about it. Fatal sticks, that's the wrong one. No, that's what we're gonna use. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, We've got another one. Rudolph Diesel, another guy who had some really incredible discoveries that just disappeared out of nowhere. So if you like seeing people disappear, then you might like that episode Root Off Diesel. And hey, if you're not a patron yet, you should become one. You'll get next week's episode right now if you become a patron. And if you're not a patron yet but you want to support the show, the best way you can do that is by sharing this with your friends. Go ahead and hit that share button send it off to them so they can find this podcast and enjoy it just like you do. But until next week. Thanks for checking out. Thanks sad than last night

Ning Li was a Chinese-American physicist who made breakthroughs in anti-gravity research, only to vanish from public life under mysterious circumstances. Born in China in 1943, Li emigrated to the U.S. in the 1980s and obtained a position at the University of Alabama’s Center for Space Plasma and Aeronomic Research. There, she published numerous papers outlining a theoretical model for … Read More

How She Boarded Over 30 Flights Without A Ticket | Marilyn Hartman

05-07-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, this is Things Out Than Last Night, a comedy podcast where we laugh a lot and learn just a little bit. And this episode we're talking about Marilyn Hartman. She's a woman who managed, over the course of like fifteen years to sneak on to a whole lot of commercial flights. Don't know how she did it. It's a pretty incredible story and had a lot of fun with it. All right, it's getting the episode. Hey man, Amen, Hey, what's up. Have you ever heard of Marilyn Hartman. Marilyn Hartman? Yeah, yes, yeah, I don't know. I feel like you're gonna start talking. I'm like, oh, yeah, uh here, I'm going to bury the lead on Marilyn Hartman a little cool, So I think it's more fun that way, at least for me. Marilyn Hartman was born in nineteen fifty one or fifty two in a year after that, at least at the latest, at the earliest nighteteen fifty one, at the latest two thousand and one, I don't know, okay, I mean I probably closer to fifty five at the latest, nineteen fifty five, of the latest fifty one of the early fifty five of the latest. We don't know exactly. She won't tell us Okay. We can't get her to say okay, Marylands up. Yeah. We have no idea how she's doing it. Though. Some TSA agents are really nice. Sometimes I bake them muffins and they let me through. Yeah, I mean, you know it's gonna SASA agents. They yell you get out of your back. So my uncle was in jail all the time, and then he got released during COVID COD during COVID COVID things I learned last night. And so Maryland. On August fourth, nineteen or oh sorry, August fourth, twenty fourteen, uh Hartman was on a flight from uh San Jose International Airport to Los Angeles International Airport. Sure, and when she landed and I'm not exactly sure. Yeah, well yeah, her and the rest of the passengers on the plane landed. Yeah. Uh. Somehow the flight attendants noticed she was on board without a ticket. And I don't know if at the end when everyone was getting off the card everybody shows your tickets on the way out, Like, I don't know how this happened. But at the end of the flight they were like, you don't have a ticket, do you, And she was like, I did think that when we did. We took the train right, yeah, track, yeah, the rail call actual train, the railroad, the road of rail. Uh, the you don't have to keep okay, thank you? Yeah, god, I was stuck. No. We took the train and you know, we were on it and halfway to the destination. Then they were running through the car being like, tickets plays, We're gonna scan the tickets, yeah you know. And I was like, the first train on the way out to where we were going didn't check our tickets at all. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, the didn't check our tickets at all. And I told Reagan, I was like, I get this photoshop a ticket, you know, on this train next time? Yeah, yeah what and this when they scanned We used to do that. But it's like also like you're already on the train. Yeah, what are you gonna do about it. They're gonna pull over, They're going to let you out right there on the side. They do that because the next stop. Yeah yeah. In Denver we had the light rail and we wrote it all the time, but we always rolle the light rail. You could just if you only got to go between those two stops, you could do that for free. Indefinitely. Well, eventually, like you get you do get charged if you do it, if you're a repeat offender, like they take notes. I think the first couple of times is a warning eventually, but you eventually you will get charged for that. It's like it's like misdemeanor trespassing. But I did. I did have a lot of friends who would just roll the dice because you didn't. Not every ride would there be someone to check, right, But when they did check, it stressed me out. I always bought a ticket, but every time they checked, I got so you were your friend. None of them about tickets. And they go through and they've all got you know, they're all like, oh yeah, let's get out of here. And you're like, I'm going to stay. I'm going to stay. No, no, I'm going to stand to the man you looked so cool. Yeah, I want to stay right, like okay, And they're like they bail down, they try to hide, they get caught, they get killed on the train, and then the person just goes in and it scans your QR code. Yeah yeah, but they're all kicked off by now. Yeah, they're all gone. So you're just carrying. Oh god, and I got beaped, and then they train anywhere in Denver if we if we left Parker, we took the train, okay, because the train was at park Meadows Mall, and we took that anywhere in Denver if we were leaving part anyways, but uh yeah, and we would they would get on the next ride and roll the dice again, and then they'd meet up with me and I'd be like, yeah, I told them off. I said I don't need I said, you work for me. So twenty fourteen is super late for someone to be able to be on a flight without a ticket. Without a ticket, yeah, very odd. So the flight attendants called security and like, hey, this lady was on this fight. She doesn't have This lady Colon was on this flight and she doesn't have a ticket, And so they arrested her. They charged her with trespassing okay, and they were like, yeah, you're not supposed to do that. And she's like, oh, sorry, I didn't know. It might be I didn't know. I didn't know. I came through airport secure. How did you get through security without a ticket. There's some questions here, how did you get on the jet. So she gets it, she gets trespassed, gets the charge is a smaller airport. Yeah, yeah, I guess you could say allegedly all just factual there's a factually smaller allegedly a smaller airport. Yeah, And so she gets she gets trespassed and then let go, you know. And that was August fourth, twenty fourteen. Right February twenty fifteen, Hartman flies from Minnesota to Jacksonville, Florida, again with a ticket. She was arrested in Jacksonville, not at the airport. She got out of the airport, and she took the airport shuttle to a nearby hotel and tried to check into the hotel and for someone else's name, and that's when they were like, you're not this person. And so the hotel calls the police, okay, and they're like, how did you get here? We know you got we know you were somewhere else, and she was like, She's like, oh yeah, that's how. That's how space and time and people were. I was, in fact somewhere else before I was here. Good observation police. And so so she pleads guilty to trespassing and serves less than a year in jail. In jail for trespassing. What well she went. I think she went to jail for trespassing and for impersonating somebody else to try to get into that hotel. Crime. The crime I heard it is not on this article I'm reading. I heard it in another video or what do they call it? They said a tempted defrauding of a in clerk is the charge attempted to frauding of an inn clerk, which is a really we can just replay real slow him making that up in his head. Attempt defrauding. It sounds real, though, doesn't it an inn clerk? It sounds of a clerk at the inn. There's no more fraud at the end. You can sleep in the barn. Okay, So she says, less than in Florida. Yeah, in Florida. Less than a year in jail though not a long time. And then they ship her off to a mental facility in Chicago, where she's from. Okay, And so she goes to this mental facility whatever. As far as we know, she's there for three years. And on January fourteenth, twenty eighteen, she does the same thing, sneaks on to a British Air always flight from Chicago. O'Hair to London Heathrow. And when she lands in London and they were doing the like you know, customs thing, they're like, hey, can we see your passport? Mat, I just forgot it in your plane. She's like, she's like, oh, I don't have a passport. And then they were like straight up like it's better than I guess, and they're like all right, and they're like, okay, do you have your boarding pass? And she's like, oh, I don't have a boarding pass and they're like how did you get on the plane. She's like, I just got on and they're like, okay, you're gonna go back, and so they put her back on the return flight and they called Chicago O'Hair and they're like, hey, we got a lady named Marylyn, a lady like Marilyn Hartman. Yeah, and they're like yeah, that's the one. And uh, they're like, we're shipping her back to you. That's the name, that's the name, that's that that's the name. The name. Yeah, that's how you pronounce it. Thank you. I'm glad you noticed that. And she had actually, coincidentally, right before this this trip to London, had attempted to take a flight from Chicago O'Hare to Connecticut. But she got denied and so she stayed the night at Chicago O'Hare and then got on this flight the next day. They were like, you're not on this flight? Yeah, she was like not bad. Oh sorry, I'm wrong, Gate. What does this person look like? We have a picture of her? Yeah, we got a picture of her. This is uh Marylyn, very very inconspicuous, you know, like just looks like any any grandmother, not any grandma. She looks like she definitely looks at the grandma. Another picture of her. Oh sorry, wrong, still away? What is that? This is another picture of her? See she looks crazier in that one for sure. Maybe is one of my eyes sitting lower than the other one? If you touch your head like that, yeah, till your head so this eyes lower than Yeah? It does? I mean, I guess maybe just a touch, just a little touch. I bet if you got a good hit and a good a good yeah, push it up. Or you could probably mew if you start musing. I bet if you start mewing, you could fix that. You know what I heard? What's that? I heard that middle schoolers are starting to mew to get away from doing stuff, like to get away from having to talk to adults, and so like if an adult asks a middle schooler question, but I can't, I'm ewing. That's made up. Just I'm mewing out. Sorry, look smacking. You can't. You can't. Oh yeah, uh, you're not on this flight. Sorry I was looks maxing my bad. So are you gonna get to the other stowaway? Is there a reason you clicked that picture? Or no? Oh no that was okay? Still so sure, Yeah, but that's not what she's doing. She's literally just waltzing onto the flight, right, so they they yeah, so she gets back to doing this too, any of them. She's just wandering the airport, which, first of all, how did you get into the airport? I don't know. Yeah, and then she's wandering around and like I go to Connecticut today, Yeah, yeah, pretty much. So she so Chicago gets her back. Yeah, and Chicago's like, all right, we're gonna give you the police, and the police are like, yeah, it's probation for you. So she got eighteen months probation and mental health counseling, and she was banned from being on any airport property without a valid ticket in her name. That was like her sentence. All of us are baying from on airport property without a ticket. That's already the lass. You're already not allowed to be in the gate area without a ticket. That's not like the police didn't have to do that. Yeah, that's already the rules. Yeah yeah, yeah. So that's why I like it. I like airports because there's a barrier of so October eleventh, twenty nineteen. I wish that the top floors of the hotels I stay had a security that you had to go through. Hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it, and you're enjoying tillan you've been around for a little bit, I want to invite you to be a part of our patreon. We have a patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our host and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out, we get to know each other, we eat pizza. It's a blast. Along with a bunch of other benefits like a Merch Discount's message on your birthday like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, they get the heck out of here. Just kidding, No, we love you. Thanks for checking out Dylan podcast. How do they get it? Though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh day you were doing it. Yeah, they can text Tillan to six six eight sixty six. Thanks Jared. On October eighteenth. October eleventh, twenty nineteen. Still on probation. It hasn't quite been eighteen months, so she's at the tailing of her probation. But still on her probation. She was arrested while trying to get through security without a boarding pass or any identification again at Chicago O'Hare, and so you'd think they would just have pictures of her on the wall. Well they did. This has gotten to the point at this point, it is now twenty nineteen. At this point, it got to the point where, especially in Chicago. A lot of TSA agents around the country knew her at this point, but especially in Chicago, we have and I'm not kidding when I tell you this, we can look it up later. But we have like recorded documentation of radio calls of the TSA being like, hey, I got a Maryland siding at Gate D or whatever, you know, because that was how often she was on the flights and how much they like they all knew who she was. And so by this point we do know she was walking. When she would try to get into the airport, she would put her hair in front of her face and like walk with her face down from them. Then what go through security? Yeah, they still sometimes want to notice, and so well, you mean they wouldn't notice she's got to go through the metal detector. Still she just waits on the line and skips on through. Yeah, so she So she after this event on October eleventh where she didn't get through, I'm thinking about the Chicago security layout at Ohair I guess sure. Yeah, so she it was typically O'Hare, sometimes midway, but typically O'Hair, and both of them knew her, and both of them we have radio conversations with them being like half sighted Maryland at whatever gate or at security or whatever your first name base was of the TSA. So she yeah, uh, but but yeah, we got the TSA agent and he's like, hey, I got a Maryland siding at this gate. And you can hear another TSA agent say wait really, because like it was just it was an exciting thing for them to catch Maryland. Yeah, and then they would all leave their posts to go see Maryland, and so many people just through it through security. I want to get her. I want to be the one to get her. Let me go. They're trying to race. They're racing each other to see who can tackle Maryland. Imagine just one hundred DSA agents running through Chicago like home alone, trying to get there Maryland, Maryland. So she was detained for this and she stayed in Cook County Jail until twenty twenty, where when she was released from jail as part of an initiative to prevent the transmission of COVID nineteen and twenty twenty. So my uncle was actually part of that as well. Really, so my uncle was in jail all the time and then he got released during COVID coat during COVID COVID, she just made out a garbage twenty COVID COVID. That's pretty dumb COVID. Anyway, he was released during COVID. Uh and his like sentence is done. It's like, hey, man, COVID's happening. Yeah, you don't got to come back here. You're Scott free. Get out of here. Yeah you know your service is done U. And then two weeks later he stole someone's truck and went back to It's like, dude, you were out, that was it? Oh my gosh. So I write him every day? What I write him letters every day? I go, ha, we wanted you there. We stole the truck. So so she gets put into transitional housing okay, and where she has like an ankle monitor and stuff like that. So she on one March okay, okay one, okay, COVID COVID one, the COVID COVID one. She rips off her ankle monitor. Yeah, and she gets caught in the bus line at Chicago, hair like she literally gets off the mother like not even let like the bus drivers all nowhere too. The bus driver's like, I got a Maryland. She gets off the bus and Tessa's they're waiting for her and they're like, all right, Marilyn, come on. And so before she even gets in the door, like this is like her like addiction. It kind of seems like it. It's like it's like, how far can I get no hair without getting okay? And so she gets put back into transitional housing. And on March third, twenty twenty two, she pled guilty in Cook County Court to felony trespassing and escape from electronic monitoring since to two years in prison, two years and eighteen month in prison, and she but she got to like the time that she previously spent in custody got to go towards that, So does she just get out? She spent like eight months in prison as all she's spent in there, and they had dropped all their other charges that she had, and she says that she's just happy to move on with her life at this point. And as far as we know, I don't believe you, Marylyn. As far as we know, this hasn't happened again. But when all this happened, she finally agreed to her first news interview. And on this news interview, we asked some pointed questions. I shouldn't say we we did think we create her, We should interview her. We might be able to. She hasn't done anything other than that news interview, but is like Marilyn the jet it's probably MARILYNH at Delta dot com. She's an operative, she's a secret shopper trying to figure out you know what I'm saying. TSA is sending people through just to see yeah, yeah, just to see what could happen. So she says, yeah, there's all these cases she got caught for. What is this one, two, three, four, five cases she got caught for. She's like, I did this about thirty times. And they're like, when did you start? She said two thousand and two, and she said her first flight was too really and she just one day just she didn't have a ticket and she just walked into Chicago O'Hare and got on a flight. And they were like, can you walk us through how you're doing this, because as far as we all know, airport security is pretty tight, and she was like, it's not well. She said the first time, she said, she walked into the airport and she noticed a TSA agent carrying a box walking through security, and the guy like just let him through, and so she just followed closely behind him and acted like she was with him, and they just let her follow and she was like, She's like, I think it's because I just looked kind of inconspicuous. She's like, nobody thinks anything of me, and so she's like, I was able to just follow him right through security, and then I was there, and then she said, and then when it came time to poort, I just kind of grouped in with a family and acted like I was with them and was able to just walk right past the gate agent and got on the flight and rode there and did the same thing on the way back, and it worked. And so then I was curious if I could do it again. You couldn't get through customs. Yeah, that's very curious. Yeah, they're not just okay, Customs is a very different story. I don't know how that worked. She didn't detail that. Yeah, they're not letting you through. But the so the guy started asking some more questions and started asking about her mental health, because that was part of the claim that they made in court, was that she was mentally unwell. And the claim that they made was that she what happens if you get on a fully like every Southwest father go on is full these days, Every single seat is taken. Yeah, that's true. Well, there was there was a case that they caught her because she sat in someone's seat and then the person who had the ticket for that seat was like, that's my sight. And then they were like who are you and she was like, I don't have a ticket. She was like, that's supposed to be see myself out. I'll just go. Can you open the door for me? Oh, we don't have to. The bolts are loose, that's okay. I could ride underneath, I could ride with the bags. I'm okay with that. Honestly a better plan. So she So the guy in the interview starts asking questions because he's like, he's like, there's all this these claims of mental health, like that you have your defense was you have depression and uh uh PTSD and so he's like, he's like, how where does that come into all this? And she said she says, oh, that's why I'm doing this. And he's like, can you tell us a little bit more about that? And she says, my name is not My name was never Marilyn Hartman. I was born Marylyn Stall. And she said, I grew up in like an abusive home. I wasn't really a great upbringing. And she said, and then I saw something and uh, a local law enforcement agent, and I got kind of into a a long legal issue, and I became kind of an informant against them and some of their corrupt practices that they had. And so I was put into witness protection and my name was changed to Marilyn Hartman. Uh. And he was like, okay, and now you're on TV. You know how this works, right, telling everybody about this? Yeah? And he and she si Amon witness protection. I jarenmer witness. I named Jaren Myers, but Myers was spelled amy e y. This is a different Buyers. Now, my name is Paul Rudd, the actor, Paul Rudd. Kamma the actor. The actor is one word. That's my last name. Yeah, you comma between your first and last name. I go, the actor. Comma, Paul Rudd. There you go, dot com dot com. Great, now we gotta get that too. Comma full word, Comma, Comma full word. COVID, COVID dot com. So they so she says, she says, because of that, I have PTSD from that whole experience. Okay, And she says, my let me do it. My other diagnosis that wasn't listed in the court filing. She said, I have She says, I have witness protection fighter flight syndrome. Uh all right, And so she says, so at specific moments where uh, I feel the stress of what I know, she says, I feel an urge to her flight. And so she says, for me, that's always flight. I'm not a fight, I'm a flight. And you know that that's not literal, right, You know that the fighter flight response is not like a flight means like running away from the issue, avoiding moving. It doesn't mean literally boarding an aircraft. And so she says, so I board a flight and get as far away from the stimulus as I possibly can. And so that's what she she claims she was because of being a whistleblower on whatever she knew about whatever agent she was exposing. She would get that stress that would boil up and she would have to drop everything and go get on a flight. And so she would go to the airport and get in the airport, and they said, well, how are you getting through security, because it certainly it can't be this. You're just following a guy with a box every time, or like hiding your face with some hair thing. She says. She says, oh, well, this is part of my protection. They know that this is a response that I have, and so this goes all the way to the top. Obama is opening some doors to for me, and there are TSA agents who who know, and they see me come in and they let me through. They guide me through security, and they allow me to get on that flight. They clear me to board the plane. And because Obama said that I can, but there are other TSA agents who disagree with this system, and that's why I'm getting arrested all of a sudden. Yeah, hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this and you want more of our show, We've got plenty of other episodes's. One of my favorites is Action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers and they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey. It was a wild story. But we did a whole episode about it and I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. Yeah, oh, Obama said she could go through. She said, Obama said, I hate that guy, not my president. You're going to jail, Lady, Lady Colin, I understand. Thanks, So she's just lying. We have no idea, Yeah, we have no idea how she's doing it. Though some TSA agents are really nice. Sometimes I bake them muffins and they let me through agents. They yell you get the laptop out of your back. I swear, if you walk up to the if you talk through the thing and you're pulling your laptop out, if it's if they see it's still in the bag at all, but get it out of the bag, and you're like, it's literally doing that. I'm in the middle of doing doing it right now. They would taste you if they could, if they had taste, if they wish, they fast, And you're telling me. Some of them are kind harder enough to be like, come on, come on, Marylyn. No, it's Marylyn. She can go through. Yeah. I don't understand how she's doing it because her story that's not real. Her story sounds insane. They let me go on the plane. Her story sounds insane. But I'm gonna be honest, it's more believable than she's just sneaking through TSA, Like there's no way she's just like keeping her head low and slithering through TSA. It's more believable, then some of them let me do it. I think it's I think it's more believable that some people that can do it. The one thing I will say is, lately, and this doesn't explain her this going back to two thousand and two, but lately I have noticed that TSA agents don't always need your boarding pass anymore. I don't know what the difference is there. They used to your ID and your boarding pass. Now they just need your ID, right, because your ID is linked to your boarding pass. So when you put your ID in pulling up your name and that's pulling up the list of names in flight see, then then that doesn't make sense either, because because my thought was, if they're not always pulling boarding passes, then they're just looking ID. She can get through that, No, because they're not. If your name, your name doesn't match the flight registry, then you can't get through. Yeah, that's crazy. So yeah, I don't know how she's doing it to me. And now they've got digital ID. Yeah, you go the picture and it takes a picture of your face and it matches it to your I D that's already in the system. Which are you serious? Gosh, that makes me so mad. I was just thinking the other day, and I got unnecessarily really angry at this because again, now traffic cams are going to do that for sure, like they're gonna be able to be like, oh, there's there's fire miners, there's Timson. I don't care about that. What bothers me is that I had to go fill out a form yes to get my passport, to put my name and address. I'm not going to fill out one long time. You know where I am, you know where to find me. Literally all of this. I don't need to give this to you. You have all this information. I don't need to give you my birth certificate. I don't need to give you. You know, my name originally, have you changed and the witness production program changed my name, which feels weird. It feels very weird, mey. Once in a while, I think about it that way. You should think about your lizard being in a witness production program at your house. We had to re home this cat because this cat saw too much. Every time I walk by that lizard, I'm like, I know what you saw. I know what you saw. I know what you saw, and it's just like the lizard do that to you. Yeah, if your lizard only, if only, how do you make your lizard man? If I pick her up? Yeah, or if you interact with their anyway. She's very solidary. I mean most will your lizard bite you. My lizard doesn't really mind me anymore. When I when we first got her, like, she would turn black and hiss at pretty much anything we did. Now she doesn't mind me so much. Like I can pick her up here. She doesn't care, doesn't Why do you have this thing? Then? Do you tell me I didn't didn't breathe want it? Yeah? Yeah, Sorry, I'm not trying to bring up a fight on the podcast, but she doesn't listen. I'm trying to start a fight between you and me. Why do you have this thing? I don't have an answer for you, but yeah, I'm going to let it loose to my apartment, just let the cats chase it around. No, we would make sure they couldn't get her. It would be fun to watch. She's fast. She's fast. Sometimes I can't get her and she goes all through the house. Yeah. Yeah, they breathe fire. Yeah, I didn't know the hissed anyway. Yeah, that's how I get through scary when they do your license. I don't know you could go on through. Clearly you've got PTSD, which is why we would allow you on this flight. Clearly you're trying to Clearly you're pretty messed up. So we know you've had a bad childhood and you've seen some stuff. You wish it, and in this state of mind, we think that's best to let you through TSA and onto this commercial flight. Welcome Maryland. Well, so, TSA was interviewed about this, take a middle seat. TSA was interviewed about this and the TSA agent that they interviewed. I don't know how high ranking this TSA agent was. They just said TSA agent, So I don't know, Like, yeah, if they were like head of TSA or just a TSA a TSA agent, if said I bet, I imagine if they were the head of TSA, it would say head of TSA. Yeah. I think the head of TSA's title is TSA god, TSA god. I think it's ts administrator administrator. That's interesting though we don't know the administrator the TSA is. Yes, we do look it up, lookers in charge of the TSA. What if you just don't know it off the top of your head. That doesn't mean we don't know who it is, only some kind of freaking secret dude, isn't it to make sure that bald guy isn't it? Look at him. It's he bald, he's got here. His name is David P. Pokowski. That sounds fake. What if he's leading like a shadow government and he's the one pulling all the strings. Anyways, it wasn't him. I can tell you it wasn't him. But I don't know how. This might have been his number two guy, or it could have been his number sixty, he said. And so what he said, he said, the job of the TSA is to make sure that no forbidden items make it onto an aircraft. Is not our job to make sure that people getting all the people He's like, it's not our job to make sure that people who don't have tickets don't get on the aircraft. That makes the airlines bring it. Yeah, And so a lot of the airlines were interviewed, and a lot of most of the airlines, not all of them, but most the airlines said, we are committed to a safe travel experience. We're committed to a safe travel experience. They're on the airline the airplane kitchen a little, the coffee kitchenette. Yeah, yeah, this is the kitchenette where I hope, where I pray psychos bad. So the A it was like, was like we we were doing everything we're supposed to do right. She never brought anything dangerous on a flight, and true the airlines were like, we're doing everything right except for sometimes we let her on the flight. We can't be my bad okay, like we know who's one time we let her fly it? She said she was the pilot we're supposed to do. Can I fly this plane as a trauma response? Please? Sure thing. You can't deny me. It's over. You can't deny me it's trauma. Those are the rules. Can I emotional support fly this plane please? It's my emotional supports. Oh yeah, I'm having a real big flare up of anxiety right now. Which pilot this aircraft to fly this plane? Yeah, it'll problem. I'll say that when I fly tomorrow morning, five in the morning. I'm sure the pilot will be up for jokes that I'll show up and I go, I need to fly this plane. I need to be the one. I need to fly this I need it. I need it, and Obama said I can't. Obama said I could. Obama told me to tell you. I get to fly this plane. I have this on Nikky Haley's authority, and I'm allowed to fly this plane. And they're like the airlines, we know about her. We have systems in place to prevent this, but I don't. We don't know how it's happening. Sometimes it happens, honestly. Let's let's be real, though, Let's let's play this out. Who knows how she gets through TSA. I don't know how it's happening. That's insane, that's insane. I've got to believe there's an inside man. That's the only way. Okay, let's just play it. She gets through TSA and she gets to the gate. Let's be real, Like, you're a gate agent. There's an old woman who just slithers past you. Like, do you get paid enough to care? Yeah? You do. Actually, wait, it's not only this money issue. It is a safety of the aircraft issue. But you will immediately lose your job if you let that happen. Yeah, there's no no, but yeah, I a depressing. Nine years ago, the FA is like, hey, you can't do this. Yeah, I know that, but they're under the drisation of the FAA. But does your job matter enough? I'm saying, I don't know why the FAA hasn't shot this lady down. Scramble the warriors. You know she's in this flight. We did a grounded no no, no, not the flight, shoot her physically herself down. I don't know the car. I don't know how the bus pick up there. Yeah, but she was too quick. She's too fast for us. The FAA does move very slow. That is actually, that's one of their big things, one of the things they're good at. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know how she's doing it. She told us and her story is insane, But the reality of the situation, I can't think of another way she's doing it without somebody letting her through. Like, there's no way, she's just sweet talking her way through TSA. There's no way. So I've got it. I'm saying, how did she do it? Well, yeah, in Chicago maybe, but by the time that she flew from San Jose to Los Angeles, Yeah, yeah, San, I mean she's flown San Jose, Lon Santas, Minnesota's I mean, there's no security internationally. Yeah, yeah, there's still security over there. Yeah, it's a different TSA. Yeah, so mama has got no say what happens in the Italian FAA. That's right, what is it a different fa We have the TSA, they have the mob. You can't find. The only thing you can brief is live grenades. It's all we allow. You know, it was in your bag. Yeah, it wasn't until you win through the mob. You're at Rome International Airport. We're all family or you're dead. How early do you think in the in the mayor mayoral process, do you think that they record those airport things? Because every airport you go to first Hey, first day, for sure, you think it's first day. Yeah, because because if you pay close, they're too excited. They haven't they haven't made Hey, you just want yeah, get over here. Yeah, say welcome to the airport. Hi, I'm Mayor Quentin Lucas. Welcome to the Kansas City International Airport. Yeah, whether you're visiting or your home, enjoy some good barbecue and small talk with the enterprise car rental agent. Okay, you're talking too much, mister mayor that you got to go do whatever else you're supposed to do. This was a very quick thing, all right. Sorry, sorry, sorry sorry, And that's all in the recording man to be a t SA celebrity. Is there anything else that she's done that we know of? No, all we know is she witnessed. She said she's done it, since she says she's done with that. She says she's left that life bed and she's she's done with it, allegedly because I promise, I promise, I'm never doing it again. But she's really good at it. However she's doing it, she's really good at it. So it saved me a lot of money. Yeah, if if, as long as she doesn't go to a hair because that's where they know her, Yeah, I think she could still be doing it. I'm going to commit her face and memory, and I'm gonna look forward in every flight, you're gonna see it, just another lady that looks vaguely like her and be like, hey, did you pay for this flight? Hi? Show your ticket? What's your name? What's your name? Even better to just just to be like, I know what you saw. Oh, I don't freak her out. Obama told me you can't be here fit off. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode if you liked it. We have a past episode about a guy named Michael Fagan who's snuck into Buckingham Palace more than once and it is insane. It's a boker story, honestly. We have one of my favorite bits of all time in the middle of that episode, so definitely check that out if you haven't already. And hey, if you're not a patroon, now's a great time to become one. 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This episode of the Things I Learned Last Night podcast covers the incredible story of Marilyn Hartman, a woman who repeatedly was able to sneak onto commercial airline flights without a ticket starting in 2002. She was first caught in 2014 on a flight from San Jose to LAX but claims she successfully snuck onto around 30 flights before getting … Read More

He Went to Jail but His Crime Didn’t Stop

04-30-24

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Hey, welcome to Things I Learned last Night. This is a educational comedy podcast where every week Tim teaches me something and we laugh a lot about stuff. So, you know, if you're like, oh, I want just a straight educational video, this is not it. This is the one follows through. This week's episode is about the Circleville Letters and town in Ohio who just keeps like a bunch of people keep receiving letters that's kind of alluding to all of the dirt and the secrets in their lives and threatening to expose them all. So we explore the theories of who it was and what happened and what the consequences of these letters were. But anyway, here's the episode. Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the Circleville Letters? This? Circleville Letters, Circleville Letters? All right, I have not heard of the Circleville Circleville Circleville. Okay. So first of all, that shirt on purpose, no happy accident. It's a happy accident, all right, It's unrelated, but it is a happy accident. Okay, this is a tattoo shirt, I know. Okay. Uh No. Circleville is a town in Ohio about twenty miles south of I know where Circleville is. I did a show there. Did you really what outside of Columbus? What place? Like? What was the show? Well? You know another think about it. I don't remember. I think it was like a I remember was it the stage lights or was it like other bright lights? And there was a doctor Hello, good day to you this day, this day. Have you seen that guy on TikTok I showed you. I need to send you his profile. Yeah, a guy who's like yeah Bushaw comes and speaks for me, you know, and like and that's what's hard to me, So quit doing that crap. Just insane hands throughout the whole thing. Insane handwriting, insane spelling. I can't get over much with the test. That isn't the craziest they've kind ever seen. Huh correctly spelled, Gilaspie cannot spell much. I saw a guy at the airport whip out the black Amex the other day, and I almost followed him to lug him. Things I learned last night circle down at Ohio, about twenty minutes twenty miles south of Columbus. I'm aware you already said that. But here's Circleville. Do you remember this? They got a big pumpkin water tower because apparently, Oh I don't remember that pumpkin fest is really big. Yes, they have a big pumpkin festival in water Tower. Yeah, a big pumpkin festival. So they got a big pumpkin water I have. Is this close to where there's an EDM music festival that happens, Oh called the Neverlands. No EDM, just google dina sort EDM festival, Ohio, okay, lost Lands? Lost Lands. Yeah, look at the pictures of that. Oh gosh, I already want to go to this. So here's the thing. Those dinosaurs are up the year round, so they leave those giant dinosaurs there, so and you can see them from like the highway. Really, there's just dinosaurs out in this field. And my aunts live close to there. Oh what what I want to go? Yeah? I don't like M at all. I would go as far as to say I don't like the agent is like, oh really, really, well, what about these dinosaurs? Huh? These are pretty freaking real, aren't they pretty real? To me? Maddie? Yeah, so let's let's see this is. Hey, you don't have the PTO to go to that, so don't worry about it. This is I could not imagine. I'm seeing so many people in their thirties and stuff. Were you listening to our talking? Pretty far from Okay, let's do this. Let's just do the episode Circle Fill has got a pumpkin for a water tower. That's the whole episode. What do you? What do you? What do you? What are you saying? No, I was gonna say, I can't, like, I'm I'm I'm on the side of TikTok with a bunch of you know, people our age who are old. Yeah, and uh and everyone's always complaining about like their PTO and you know, oh, I admitted PTO requests, my boss requests, Like listen, I I can't about to say something a little out of touch. I can tell you I'm for sure, but no, I'm I mean not really. I mean it's like it's like, dude, I remember being in all of my twenties, I made less money than my friends. Yeah, you know, and now I'm rolling it. No, but uh so it's not like you know, I I just couldn't imagine that having I'm saying, if I admitted pt it's not a PTO request, it is a PTO notification, it's a it's a pto. Hey, I'm doing it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and then getting it denied, I'm just quit. Yeah. To be fair, yeah, I'm never I've never had a job where it was like you request and there's even the possibility of it being that maybe the church, maybe the church was that way. Yeah, but yeah, every other job I've had because you requested off on Eastern Friday, I have off really observing our Savior. And they were like, that's the only week you can't take that, that's the I was like, okay, what about Christmas? Like that's the other only week, the other only month. I mean, I was like, I was like, okay, what about August ninth? And they were like, oh, that's the other old Why did you say August ninth? It's just a random date, okay, Because they won't let you take any day. What happens in Circleville. Oh it's warming here. That's a little touch on the toast, but the toast okay, Circleville, Ohio circles of town. Hey, I didn't even do that on purpose. Oh hey, that's right pronounced Ohio. Oh sorry, oh hey sorry it's Ohi Ohio, Ohio. Okay. Starting in the late seventies, this town in Ohio, I guess starting in the mid seventies to seventy six, I believe this town in Ohio started receiving letters, Like people in this town started receiving letters, okay from either a past either the letter was like on there was no return address, but it was postmarked from Columbus, or there was a return address that was some variation of five point fifty Ridgewood or Wedgewood or Redwood. It was just suff similar to that drive. So there's a person writing letters to the town to just handle people throughout town. Oh okay, not just like men of the people of Circleville. We might as well call it to the town because it was it was pretty much everybody in the town had received one at one point. It was a small town, like a seven hundred people all the time. Yeah, you gotta start feeling a little left out if you don't get one. Yeah, the guy, the letter, the letter boy isn't writting me, then you're starting to fake it. You're starting to like write your own letter. A letter. Yeah, it's like me, you I got a letter, Yeah, she wrote me. What did your letters say? My letter said, you're a wizard. Harry, that's nothing like the letters all of us mine said be sure to drink your oval tee or we're gonna kill your family. Yeah, that's crazy. Ours did mention ovalte Actually, now that you say that, tonight in Circleville, Ohio, the whole family has been slaughtered in the name of brought to you by. This is your first episode. There's no other kind of It doesn't get better. So this so people throughout the town, we're getting these letters. Sure, but even the ones that had the address of a place in Circleville, it was still postmarked Columbus. That's important, Okay, So it still went through Columbus. It still went through Columbus. And there is a five point fifty Ridgewood Drive, but there's not Wedgewood, there's not Redwood, and so there's I don't know what the deal is with there. It looks like they might have been trying to pin it on someone. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like either the person writing the letters just forgot. Yeah, it was just like what's my address? No, no, no, not there. They were using a fake road and they were like Ridgewood, red Robin whatever, Red Robin Drive. Yeah, yeah, that's close. But these letters, well, these letters would go to specific people and they would outline like dirt that they had on that person. Sure, and then sometimes they would have demands, but sometimes they'd just be like, we know you, but you don't know me, like that sort of concept. So it all started with this guy. This guy received the first one, at least as far as we know. His name is Gore and Massy like the wrong person to get a fun little letter. This guy looks like he's just a fun little letter. He just looks like he sucks. Man. Yeah. I don't know if you can tell by this, uh this photograph, but he is the west Fall superintendent. You're listening. The photo says Gordon Massy is the west Fall superintendent. Oh yeah he is. Which is a local high school? Is the local high school west Fall? Yeah, and so he's the superintendent, which does sound like a fake high school out of like a cartoon. Also, also it's interesting that he's the principal, right, superintendent. That's that's my that's my point because like the district intendent. You don't know what that means. The district has a superintendent school district. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, he's just the high school though, so he's not the district superintendent. West Fall is just the high school, and he's the superintendent of high school, which tells me he became the principle and said we're calling it superintendent. Now that's what I think is happening. Now, Okay, sure, he's like, he's like, I'm the superintendent advice. It's it might be because look at the guy, like you already said it, like, this is the guy who comes in and is like, don't call me principal. I am superintendent, don't call me principal. Yeah, that's the guy. So this guy gets a letter, and here's what this letter says. Okay, You're discretion is advice. It says. That's how it opened. That's how the letter opened. Dear sir, dear viewer, discretion advice, sir, Dear sir, According to my GF, you have asked her to go out on many times, and I've asked the other female bus drivers too, due to your position and their jobs with you. This guy's type is a bus driver. Hey, bus driver, we're bus drivers hot in the seventies. Uh, google it, you tell me this is a bus driver question. I have just got good tea. Yeah, we could leave it that sure, Sure, I mean she's pretty pretty lady. Yeah, her name is Mary Gillespie. Anyways, we'll continue the letter, he says, GF though, yeah, from my GF. He says, due to your position and their jobs with you, you should not do this. Good point. This must stop at once for the good of the school and families. If they are not stopped, I will be forced to write the school board, and I'd hate to do that. To prey on another man's girl is untouchable, especially when they're out trying to make a living. There's also talk of you dating a married woman and taking advantage of them. Do you need the time and the name? Again? And so it's interesting that they said again, it seems like this might not be the first letter. And then he says, please think, I suggest you find yourself a pimple faced deep Yeah, censor in that word and start up with her and leave my girls alone. Uh. And so this guy gets this letter, and remember we've already looked at him. This guy gets this letter, and he now that I see him, he's a handsome man. You know, now that now I see him, that light show the bus driver again this is Mary Gillespie. Okay, she's got a couple of pimples on her face. You know I did that, mystery writer. Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Gordon. We know for a fact that this is the bus driver the writer is talking about, Yes, because she received a letter as well. What is her letters? So we I don't have her first letter, but I do have a second letter, and so this will give you a perspective what these letters look like to So these letters big block letters. So they're like, this is your last chance to report him. I also like that writer. Literally just address this lady. I know you are a pig. Lady, Oh, I like that lady. This is your last chance to report him. I know you are a pig, and will prove it and shame you out of Ohio. A pig sneaks around and meet other women's husbands behind their backs, only lots of like Colon's. I know, it's very weird. They end a lot of sentences with colon's causes, families spelled wrong, causes, families, colon holmes, and marriages to suffer Colon. You are such a pig, and I will prove it. Why doesn't he come to your rescue or has he too much to loose his wife underlined in which pigs like you take advantage of his twenty eight thousand, five hundred dollars a year job. I love just exact salary. I don't know. I expected this and his kickbacks. How's your little girl? Will she grow to be like you? And then he spends a lot of time on that question super bold question mark like the boldest questions. It's all yeah, big block letters, big block letters, a lot of spelling errors, a lot of grammar errors, a lot of punctuation errors. Which I didn't realize was the comment. Okay, and here's the deal. So this guy is just or this person is just. They call him the writer stirring up drama in Circleville. Yeah, so this writer knows dirt on people in Circleville. Uh and yeah, is throwing it in their face with the letters and writing them multiple letters. Mary. For example, I had received about twenty of these Oh my gosh. They throughout from the mid seventies, ever bothered a learn her name, lady, Lady Colin. From the mid seventies to nineteen ninety four, there were over one thousand of these letters that went to people all throughout Circleville, so over like almost twenty years. Yeah, they're sending letters to people throughout Circleville. This writer, okay, and so Gordon gets this letter, and then Mary gets this letter and Mary Mary is like, I don't want to say covering it up, but just ignoring it. Gordon's doing kind of the same. Gordon's like, this isn't legit because Gordon Gordon, how many letters over one thousand throughout twenty years? Twenty years is like how many months? Whatever? Twelve times twenty four hundred yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, forty what now undred and forty months eagle Scout. I was trying to think of the weeks for a second, and then I went, okay, yeah, yes, two hundred and forty months. So he's writing five a month, one a week, yeah, pretty much. I was trying to think of how many weeks earlier. It's like it's quite a bit of weeks. Yeah, yeah, that's probably about right one a week, yeah, because I mean that's yeah, that's about a thousand weeks. Yeah. And they're they're showing up to people throughout the town and it's not just these people, this is yeah, that's commitment you got to say something about the commitment to the craft. Committing to your craft, you know, they say, they say you want to if you want to get good at something, you got to put ten thousand hours in. And so the the writer was telling Massy the supermendent. He's like, he's like, confess your crimes. I don't know if crimes is kind of I mean, an affairs not a crime, is it? It's not good. It's not a legue legal crime. Yeah, I guess if both people are it's a crime against but what both If it's a consensual affair, then yeah, it's not a crime. What are you talking about. I'm just trying to figure out if it's legal or not. It's legal your spouse, Yeah, it's just messed up. Okay, So he said, confessive your your actions or I'm gonna I'm going to write to the school board. Now what actually might be illegal is if she's an employee of the school district that he is. Yeah, that would be yeah. Then yeah. Mary is trying to ignore this. She keeps getting letters being like I'm gonna, I'm gonna out you for this. And the big threat to Mary is like, your daughter's gonna find out, right, And and I mean Mary's also Mary, and so Mary's got a husband named Ron. Okay, Massie's got a wife. I don't know if Massie's wife is ever named in any of these documents. And a son. I'm pretty sure this is like a we look at the statistics for this, But while Boomers are the highest divorced generation, right, is it just because they Yeah, they got all kinds of issues. I'm serious, they have all kinds of issues. So boomers are the highest divorced generation of any like any before them or after? You're the highest divorced. Do you think it's because it's the first one that was like, yeah, this is fine. I don't know, that's what I'm saying. But Gen X and millennials aren't divorcing at that at that rate. I mean, I guess we'll see over time, I guess, But I'm wondering what the rate of affairs were with different generations. I wonder if that is an interesting question. Obviously it's hard to I guess calculate, but yeah, especially if we talked about how Gen Z is more idiots on the Internet than boomers are. Yeah, yeah, interesting, full offense to you. Guys. But so Massy is getting these threats, and so MASSI gets another letter that basically basically says, hey, like you're you're not moving fast enough, and it's like the next day, and so it's like, what do you what do you expect me to do? But also tweet about this. Here's the next day. How the writers send it that quick? Yeah, it might have been like they had any and then the next day with boom, not even in time for this person to come out and acknowledge it. And yeah, and and to be fair, like, if you're in that position, it's kind of like a catch twenty two because what he's telling Massy to do, what the writer's telling Massy to do is confess or I'm gonna tell the board. The results the same either way. And so it's like, if you're in Massy's shoes, you might as well just hold and see if they because there's a level of like, oh, you got a random letter in the mail from a psycho. Yeah, they're telling the truth. Yeah, And if you're Massy, you probably like I mean, I guess we don't know for sure, but like I don't think that anything was actually happening, Like I don't think Massey was actually doing the things he was accused of. So Massy's just like this is a baseless claim, right, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, and so so MASSI doesn't do anything. Mary buries this, and then I don't think Mary intentionally buries this. But Mary's husband, Ron gets a letter, mister Gillespie, Okay, hold on, you're doing a lot for her. No one cares that much for anyone these days, as much as spelled super wrong, m usc ch why is there all right? Make him come to her rescue? But he won't. He's being awful good lately. He knows what he must do, but he won't make her admit the truth. Call the school board. His affairs must stop. Everyone will know soon. Think of yourself. And so Ron was like still random. Colon's thrown in just insane hands throughout the whole thing. Insane hand ritting, insane spelling. I can't get over much. I can't get over much with an s. That is the craziest thing. Huh, correctly spells. Gillespie cannot spell much. Yeah, that is insane to me. And Nicoleon's who taught you that? I need to know? Anyways, huh so uh. Glasspie sees this and he's like, what what is this? And so he talks to Mary. Mary's like, oh, yeah, I've been getting these letters. Mary, I received the strangest things today. It's really the only thing I can think about. I'm I'm so parent of about what this could be. I have no idea what's going on. It's I had to come home earlier from work. I can't finish the birthday. I got this very odd letter. It's so scary to me. Yeah, look at this, and she goes, oh, yeah, I have like twenty of them. Yeah. They're all like, oh, I'm going to ruin your life and stuff. And I just kind of kept throwing away. I thought they were junk maw. I thought they hurt credit card. I thought they were Imagine that Express. It's like, mister Gillespie, I'm gonna expose your affair. Lets you sign up for an American Express right now? Spending too much? Think of yourself, mister four interests. Mister Gillespie, your wife has access to your credit card. You need a secret card. We know what you've been we know you've been up to sign up for Chase today. I'm gonna buy my next car on a credit card. I tell you that what. I'm gonna buy my next car on a credit card, but for the points. Yeah, I'm just gonna go to the Toyota dealership. I must say, run that platform. I'm trying to get myself a Centurion car? Did they even do that? I saw a guy at the airport whip out the black Amex the other day and I almost followed him to mug him. I was like, I'm sure he's got you one of those show me the money. No. But I saw that, and I was like, it's like when you you know, there's the Modern Family episode where he's like, yeah, we're on the top floor of this very fancy hotel. Yeah, you know and the sixty third floor. Yeah, and he's getting he's getting shaved by the butler. Yeah. He goes, hey, I saw someone a fish in the elevator. Where are they taking that room? Do you know? Is that an option? Can I order some of that? Hees, oh, sorry, sir, that is for our Diamond Elite members on the sixty fourth floor. And he goes, what and he's just outside going sixty three sixty four. And I've never related to a character in a show more because at the end of the show there's another thing where he gets the sixty fourth floor and they're like, sorry, so that's actually for our diamond elite elites. And then he's outside sixty sixty four sixty five what and that's I have never related to a character more than that episode. And then that guy whipped out that black Centurion card and I was like, I want to be him. I'm going to write you a letter in your life and take your card. I've counted hotel floors for that same reason before, not that same reason, a similar reason, but there's only three four. Oh, this sounds like a psycho plan. Yeah. No, I've counted hotel floors. I just like to know what I'm getting into and my escape routes. I'm sorry. Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you want to help us grow our show, one of the easiest and best ways to do that is to join our Patreon. It's a way for your financial to support this show, and you get a lot in return. You get access to our discord channel, you get bonus content that comes out, you get exclusive merchandise, and like live Zoom hangouts where we're both just hanging out, eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't supports financially, we're not pressed about it. We're not like mad. But I'll find you. So text till into six six eight sixty six to keep yourself from being found, all right, because if you don't, I will want you down. No. That was at that haunted hotel in Albuquerque. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, yeah yeah, where where there was no third floor. Yeah, they said there was no third floor, but it was like it was like almost like a pyramid. There was two floors. We were on the same floor, you know how you know, like there's no third floor just means there's no access to the third floor. There's clearly a third floor. No no, no, no, no no no. There was two floors that you could see from outside. Okay, the third floor it was like a pyramid. The third floor was in like a stepped pyramid. It wasn't as big, but you couldn't see it from the ground level, like unless we actually went out and drove out to a nearby hills so we could shure the third floor. I saw the craziest thing in Waynesville today. What look up Alpine House way in Saint Robert, Missouri. Alpine A L P I N E house like the German one h A or h yeah h A U s this? Yes, look at that it do you have a side angle of it and you see the signing. Because this looks like this is insane. What is like, is this a hotel? It's abandoned. Now it's for sale? Oh shut up? How much buy it? I don't know. Yeah, a dollar at least in so new studio. Yeah, I mean this looks crazy to me. Yeah, here's the side I mean, yeah, it doesn't look like this anymore. Yeah, because there's an open sign on all that stuff. No, it's it's for sale. This looks like literally the hello neighbor house. This looks like, yeah, this is insane. This just kind of keeps Was this all built at once? You think, surely not. No, they had a building, they put the pavilion on. They're like, okay, we got a little driver, let's just put another thing on top. I like the idea that the house at the top was first, and they kept raising slowly, they slowly built. I like the idea that the house of the top was first, and then through the mud slides, the rest of this has been uncovered. And then they're like, there's a doctor Pepper machine. Now there's you know that that's pretty crazy. I can't believe that that's all covered in the mud slide. Doctor Pepper existed before the flood. So, yeah, this is the craziest look at Yeah, that is wild. No, we were we were at the hotel and it was supposed to be haunted. We tried to go to the third floor and you go up the stairs and it was boarded up, like literally boarded up the third floor. Yeah, and then we were like, okay, that's crazy. We didn't know there was a third flour. So we like went out and we went up a nearby hill and you could see it from up there. It was like stepped in. And then we get in the in the elevator and we get in the elevator and we like kind of gave up. We were trying to find our way in and we like we actually took the service elevator and it wanted to let us up. You need a key, you know, obviously, and we hit two and it hit ding ding, and the doors open to the third floor and the lights were out. The exit sign was like dangling, and obviously it's Albuquerque and like the summer so hot, the heat. The air wasn't on up there, and so the doors opened. We just get blasted with this heat and it's dark. The exits signs like dangling and flashing. There a demon all running down the all way. Yeah, a glitter monster, yeah, the glitter monster. And never went back to that hotel. I start a little closed or that we were and hold elevator. I've been here. Yeah, that's probably what it was. I lost someone to die of heat exhaustion. Random, Yeah, just still stuck up there. They poured me up either shame. Yeah, he's up there for he was up there for a mister beasts, Uh competition. I can survive ninety nine days on the first floor. Yeah, and they forgot about him. Yeah, they're doing so many videos, They've got so much going on anyway anyways. Uh so, yeah, so I don't remember how we got got a letter, that's what it was. Ron got a letter. Yeah, and he was like, hey, this is pretty crazy and his wife was like, that's not pretty normal for me. Actually, yeah, So I got these every week, so run And then I was like, oh what if they were like credit card things, you know? And then it's like oh yeah, and I was like, I'm gonna use my credit card to buy a car, like what? Then I was like, I'm gonna get the Centurion card, you know, I want to get that because I want to get that guy all right. Then and then it went like, oh, you know different floors, you know, speaking of floors, you see the Alpine House. And then you told your story again, which you for sure told the podcast one and then it's not and then uh, it's like, oh it's not. And then we joked around like oh yeah, the Glitter Monster, it's a call back. Uh. And then we go on to mister Ba's challenge and now we're here, Okay, good, I'm crazy that my brain can do that. I'm going to call, uh, Dave Ramsey and you're thinking about buying the car on a credit card? Can we make a show that's us in our studio calling Dave Ramsey. I've actually thought about that. I thought about trolling Dave Ramsey a lot. I think about it. Every day. Actually, I wake up and I write them letters. That's pretty great. We should do that. Can we create it? So my counselor suggested I do instead. Counselors like, just write them letters. Hey, if you support us enough on Patreon, we'll build a dude that looks exactly like his studio and I'll start shave our heads. And that what you want, you can shave your head. I need a reason to live. No, I need a reason. I need to So Ron gets a letter. Ron gets a letter. Ron is very invested in this. His wife doesn't seem to care. Massy doesn't seem to care, but he is. He does. Does does Mary know about Massy receiving letters at this point? Do we know? I'm assuming they do, but I don't know for sure, Like I am, I assume. So okay. Ron is very interested though, and so Ron uh is like trying to piece this guy's actually super nice to me. He said that I'm providing for you, saying I'm doing a lot. Think of yourself. Nobody tells me to think of myself. Everybody tells me to think of everybody else. Oh yeah, I'm Mary. Okay, Well I'll tell you what. For years I have gone to my twenty four five hundred dollars sound job with kicks, and I have works provide for this house. And it's time that I start thinking for myself. You listen to me, Ron, Ronnie, you starting to who's telling you? That? Is that a thought you had? I thought you had her at the letter man? Is it the letterman talking? It's letter boy? Think for yourself, you little week spineless ron Boy. Well, I think you're a pig. Who told you that? Who said that? Who said that? I know you don't think that. That's the letter boy talk. That's the letter boy. Letter boy, which start called is written like maybe a seventh grader is doing this. It could be a seventh grader. So Ron starts trying to dig into this and figure out who's doing it. Well, uh, he is hot on the trail. Uh. The letters kind of I don't want to say stop, but they slow a little little bit, okay. And then one day Ron gets a phone call and on that phone call, it's like a lot of the same similar things that are being said to him about the letter. We don't know exactly what's said, but whatever it is, it fires him up a lot, and so he hangs up from that phone call. His daughter's home is only the only other one home, and he says, he says, I think that's the letter guy. I could tell who it was. I'm gonna go get him. And so he takes his handgun and he runs out the house. Yeah, he runs out the house, takes his handgun, gets in his truck and it's late at night and like speeds off, like peels out of the driveway and it's gone. Well, Ron never comes home that night. He ends up wrapping his car on a tree, and the corner came back and said that he had a blood alcohol content of one point one six, and they said that it was just a drunk driving accident and he crashed into a tree. Here's the thing, though, that handgun was not there. Well, it had fired, there was a round missing, and there was a casing in the car, but there was no bullet that could be accounted for. And so some people think that he got into a chase and he had fired that round when he was in that chase, and somehow in that as a result of that chase, he crashed into that tree. We don't know for sure if he was drinking that night, but it does seem a little strange because everybody in his family said he was not like a heavy drinker, and a strange that he would have just been hanging out at home and got up to a point one six just by himself, because he wasn't a heavy drinker. It wasn't like he was an alcoholic. It wasn't like he would do that. They also thought it was seemed like an alcohol like a like an alcohol driven response. It does to go I knew who that was. I'm gonna kill that guy. I'll be right back. I'm taking the gun. I'm taking the gun. Your mom's cheating on me. Do your homework. I'll be back at fifteen. It does seem like that for sure. So that's definitely that that's that's warranted. Don't do your homework so conflicted. I want you to have good grades. But also if you score a low on the scores, then he'll lose his job as a superintendent. I can destroy the life of the man who's destroying our family to lose lose situation. I don't know what I want you to do, but a lot of a lot of family said too like they did not they would not expect him to even leave his daughter home alone like that, and so they were he had to be very confident he knew who was. Yeah, they were like there, like this had to be something where he thought it was a very serious situation for him to leave or he had a point one six and his daughter's the one recounting what happened. Holds his daughter at this point right now, she would have been thirteen. If I'm a police officer and I show her a thirteen year old, here's happened. Please stop talking, Please don't play with your blocks. That does the neighbors that they heard anything. Yeah, that's a reliable account. Yeah, kids says she saw a guy stab him and run away. But you know how reliable they are. The body we found a knife that's covered in blood and fingerprints. I don't know. Thirteen year old said that we can't do it. The body said he had been drinking tonight and just crashed. Excuse me, the body, Hey, it's me the body. I've been drinking tonight, I just crashed. Yeah, throw out the testimony from the thirteen year old. I've got it from here. I think guys solved it. What coroners were they just listened to the body. He's a dead guy. Whisperer. Yeah, they'll tell the body will tell you. Why are we talking about so many dead people in our last few episodes? Why are you doing this? I'm a big fan of the dead. Okay, I don't know. You know how Google works? Dead? I know. I want you to get out of this algorithm. Do something fun. You take it out to Little Caesars again, you know? All right? Yeah, I guess I got to google Little Caesars more. It's because I've been on this diet. I haven't been eating like that. Oh I've been eating Luigibles pizzas. Okay, I have a problem. Can I convince something now? Okay? The sky key's writing me letters telling me ton I et Luigibles pizzas for lunch today, three of them, three three oh three times. I was like, yeah, dude, it comes with three of them. You ate nine Luibles pizzas. Think about that's all the same time, I'm saying, the same time, sure, this is the third time this week I've done this, three of them, So you've had twenty seven Lunchibles pizzas this week. Think about it. Do the math to him. I can't stop. I can't start doing it. I know that's a lot of it's a long of yourself. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. It's only nine hundred calories personing, so it's like better we're sitting no. One hundred cats eat. Yeah, if I go out to eat, I'm getting fourteen hundred. It's still better than going out to eat somewhere, so it's not that bad. I'm a denial I know I am. You don't have to look at me like that. I just had to get this off my chest. I can't stop doing it. They're so good. It's the last time you had a lunchables pizza. December twenty eighth, two thousand and twenty two. I remember like it was yesterday, three days after Christmas. All the chocolates are gone. I open the fridge. I go, sane, Nick, there's no leftover food. And then I see two lunchables in the back of the fridge. One a turkey and cracker sandwich kit. Yeah, and I said that tastes like crap. And then I saw the pay Now one of them was moldy. Yeah. I didn't realize that until I had already eaten half of it. And at that point I'm already. You know, once you already got half a MOLDI pizza, and it's the other the other mold. You know. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point, so we'll keep going. Okay, So they have Mary's brother in law. I guess I don't Ron's brother. No, so Mary's brother. I think I don't know if it's Mary's or Ron's sister's husband, one of their sister's husband. I guess that was an option. Yeah, that was my bad. Yeah, that was an option. So but I'm pretty I don't know. In the uh, Danny car salesman episode whatever, his last name is Carsalo whatever. Yeah, I said, oh, those are my brother in law, and you went brother in law. You know I have two brothers in law. Brothers in law? What are you talking about? Wait? When I said, when did that happen? It happened on June tenth, twenty twenty three, is when I got I got two brothers in law. Yeah, I know that. I was like, what was the the law? What was the quest? So I went, oh, you should have pictured Danny, And I was like, oh, yeah, it looks just on my brother in law. And you were like brother in law? Did I say that, Yeah, that's pretty funny. I have two brothers brother, brother in law. He's the thing in law. I what I was confused because I was thinking your brother who his wife would be your sister in law, not your brother in law. And I think that's why because I was like, I was like, what do you mean brother in law? So I was just I was confused. So her brother in law, and I think at this point, I think at this point they're it's strange. So it's like ex brother in law because him and the wife first split up. So sure, so this is getting too complicated. I know it's complicated. Paul fresh Hour is his name, and his wife, I think, but also be Mary. So maybe it's Ron's sister. He might not be married. Ron's sister's name is Mary, Ron's wife name is May, Rod's mo name is Mary. Everybody's name is how's the seventies for you? Yeah, it's true. They weren't creative, so uh. Paul is pretty upset about the way that the police handled this case because he's very confident that this was a murder and not an accident. He's like, there's no way that this happened. The way that they're saying this happened, and so he starts kind of like campaigning in the town for the police to do more about this, but they're just kind of ignoring him. All the while. The letters are continuing to hit random people in the town, okay, mentioning anything about Ron. I don't think they're mentioning Ron anymore. They're just lifting up random dirt that different people have sure saying if you don't do whatever, we're going to bring this dirty. Well, it's not like there's any gain for the person writing the letters. It does seem like they have like it's because most of the letters. I shouldn't say all of them, but most of the letters. There's kind of three themes in the letters. One, it's your your having an affair and that's not okay, and come forward about having this affair. The second thing is you're abusing a child in some way and that's not okay and you need to quit doing that. Or three and this is a little weird, but three you are getting in the way of the sheriff in town, and that's okay. And three this is a little weird, but you're getting in the way of the sheriff. What does that mean? So there's a sheriff. I don't know, I'm crazy that sounds to just say there's a sheriff. Oh, there's a sheriff in town. And whoever this person is, they really like this sheriff and they they seem to be defending them and on the side of the sheriff. That's pretty much it. Like they just they're a big fan of the sheriff. Okay. And so a lot of these letters are like, hey, you're getting in in the sheriff's way or this you need to not you need to vote for the sheriff to continue doing what they're doing. You know, stuff like that. Support your local sheriff is kind of what these letters are. It's weird, okay, Okay, So, uh, Paul is Paul is kind of campaigning against the sheriff, got it. You need to do more? Yeah, like you need to solve this case. And the Sheriff's likeff case. Yeah, he's the head of that campaign. And the letter writers like the sheriff knows what he's talking about. Uh, And so people are getting their letters. Mary doesn't receive a letter for a while. One day, Mary, on her bus route, drives around this corner and sees a sign on a fence post, and that sign is we don't know what the sign actually says, it's never been released, but apparently the sign said something about her daughter, and it was very explicit about her daughter, her and Massy, And so she pulls over and is like, I'm going to take that letter down or that signed down. So she pulls over, she goes over to take that sign down, and then she's going to pull it down. She noticed that there's a piece of twine attached to the sign. So she follows that sign and on a post right next to it, there's a box, and so she looks in that box and there's a handgun held up by a piece of styrofoam pointed out the box with the twine wrapped her on the trigger. So if shelled, it would have pulled the trigger and it would have shot her, like point blank in the head. Was where it was lined up right at where her height would have been, so it was like perfectly lined up to her height to hit her in the head if she would have pulled that sign off the off Okay, why did you do all that boring stuff first? Because the boy stuff was the first part of the story. So the police, the police find out about this and they're like, okay, this is like an They find out she told them no, she put it with all her other letters. Yeah, run is that important? Here's this and this box that was an attempted murder attempt on me. But I mean I handled it. I handled it. What do you mean to handled it? This is the height of the movement too. It's like, yeah, they don't even have the right to credit cards at this point. Actually, do you know that this is true? They like in the early seventies, they couldn't get a credit card. Serious, Yeah, women couldn't have heard that happened nineteen seventy four. Holy cat. Well no, they just got them seventies six. Yeah, so they just got credit cards. Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, she feels very empowered. I guess. Geez, that's crazy. I did not know that in that while. That is really wild. Yep. Wow. And that's why when people are like, we should just go back to the sixties, that's why a lot of women are like, I don't. I couldn't buy some I don't think we should do that. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Okay, So the ployees get this gun. Yeah, and they start investigating the first thing they noticed is that the zerial number has been scratched off of the gun of the gun, which is pretty typical. But luckily forensic pathologists they're psychopaths. So then they so they were able to figure out what the Yeah, okay, if you arrange the letters of forensic psychologists or pathologist pathologist, I mean, yeah, you could psychopath the psychopaths. Uh. They looked closer at the guns and they were like, hey, we figured out the serial number. And so I don't know, they looked under an extra or something. They were able to figure out what the serial number actually was. I don't I don't know. I don't know how they do it, but they did it, and they traced it back to a manager at the Anheuser Busch plant in Columbus, Ohio. And the manager was like, oh, yeah, I sold that to my supervisor like three months ago. And he's like, he's like, I didn't I didn't scratch the the VIN off or anything like that. I guess it's not a VIN the serial number, i'mscssed serial number off. But I sold the to one of my managers a few months ago, and they're like, like, who's your manager, and he's like Paul fresh Hour, Okay, which Paul. This is Paul. Which this first of all a very professional headshot. Yeah. I don't know if he was like an actor. This looks like right when I remember when the new iPhone cameras came out and people were posting headshots of their dads on Twitter. Yet quality, this is oh good, this is yeah, that's what this looks like. Portrait mode, That's what I'm saying, first came out. It's a very very very good shot, very good shot, no pimples at all. Maybe one maybe one guy, this guy, but he looks like he looks like an Ohio dad, you know, like a like a later forties mustache. Yep, maybe fifties. I wouldn't even tell you this picture was from the seventies. If I saw it, honestly, yeah, I'd be like that that's a guy who exists today. Yeah, that guy's here, Sure, he's here. That guy, he's here, he's here. In my Oh, that's Jesus. Scientists have put together this composite photo of what they think Jesus looks like, and it's this guy. Pretty wild it's pretty crazy. Oh wow, us so Paul. So they called Paul and they were like, hey, hey, buddy, Hey, we got your gun that was used to attempt a murder on somebody. And he's like, oh, I sold that. He was like, Ron dead run that guy. Yeah, you bought it. He called me and I was like, I was like, well you're dead and he's like, that's what you think? No, he said, he said, here's the thing he said. He said, I haven't had that gun a couple of months. He said, I haven't reported it. I know that was wrong. I shouldn't have done that, like I should have reported it stolen, and he said, but I was pretty confident my sixteen year old son sold it and I didn't want him to get in trouble for that. So I was just trying to work it out with him, just between us. And they were like, yeah, likely story, Bud, you're coming with us. And so he gets arrested. Yeah, and they bring him in for questioning, and while questioning him, they said, hey, here's one of these letters that people have been getting lately. Do you want Tom, do you mind like copying it real quick for us? And he was like sure, what do you mean punishment, like, am I is this kind of like where you like, I will not attempt murderer. I won't I wanted that's a crazy punish When you were thinking about it, you had to write like a full sentence two hundred times. That's like that's a crazy punish. Yeah, that hurts your wrist. Yeah. Yeah. So he copies the letter and uh. After he copies it, they look at it. They put him next to each other and they're like, this looks pretty similar. And he's like, well, you asked me. He'sa liked, yeah, you told me to copy it. I don't think that's a missible incord. So that's at that time I had you copy of someone's signature and you just didn't do it. You looked at you were like yeah, I could do it. You looked at it, and then you went and it looks nothing. I lie. It's like they're not gonna check. Yeah, So they it is my court documents to the Department of Justice. So they took him to court and they were like, look, how some of these are. It's his gun. That guy attempted murder, didn't he see And the court was like, yeah, I think he did it. They actually brought like thirty other of these Circleville letters to be like, this was him writing all these letters in court, but they had the only thing that they had to time to the letters was the copied letter that they asked him to copy while he was in question. Here's the thing. If police ask you questions, do not answer those questions. Yeah, okay, I'm not even this is not like this is life lessons. Okay. Police are not there to solve your crime. Yeah, right, there there to put you close their case. That's their only job. Yeah, so don't trust him. Yeah, but do tell paramedics everything you can tell them that you plead the second at any time, I plead the city is my second event. Rect to not do this. Though he doesn't do that, there's no reason, there's no way to take him court. They probably can still take him to court, but they have much less of a case. This was. This was I think that his handwriting. It's I think that that made their case for them. So they find him guilty of this attempted murder base on the letter, based on the letter. Yeah, crazy, and he also gets counts of I don't remember what the count is, but like I don't know freaking people out with a written letter on the on the charge of the charge of attempted murder. The court finds the defendant guilty on the charge of being a little weirdo and freaking out the public. The court finds the defendant guilty, so he gets a he gets a twenty seven years sentence. Oh my gosh. They lock him up. And here's what's interesting about this. He goes into jail and the letters don't stop, and so I would lose my mind. He maintains his innocence to the whole trial. Even after going into jail. He's maintaining his innocence and the letters continue being sent. So the sheriff in town calls the warden. He is now at a prison on the other end of Ohio. He's like six hours away at this prison on the other end of Ohio. Yeah. He calls the warden and he says, hey, we're still getting letters from your guy. And he's like, no, you're not. And he's like he's like, yeah, we are, and he's like look. He's like he's like, look your letters because they talked about it a little bit and he's like he's like, your letters are still postmarked. From Columbus. There's no way they're gonna get marked from Columbus. We screen everything that leaves this prison. He's like, we know what's written in these letters, and none of those letters have been have left our prison, and we only provide them with prison letterhead. And so he's like, these they cannot be coming from within the prison. And so the sheriff I don't know what happens, but he like basically appears all right, thanks, we already got a guy in jail and we're the police. Why would I open a case again when I could just mark this and salt Market done? And so moving on, he talks to the warden into moving him into solitary confinement and taking away his ability to write letters and stuff like this, and so they lock him up in solitary. This stuff makes me so irrationally angry. Oh my gosh, Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this, We've got a lot of great ones. Let me recommend a recent one. Hitchpot. Basically, some Canadian scientists said, what if we made a robot that hitchhiked across the country. You think it could make it? Spoiler alert, it's a fun I like it. A lot. You need to check it out. One of my favorite recent jokes is in there, so check that one out. But if not, thanks for being here. And the letter is continued. Would you imagine, oh yeah, this is your biggest fear, right, this is my biggest fear by far? Yeah for sure. So letters continue, people still, I would fight for you. Would you to stay in jail? I would. I would be the biggest public advocate. I know there'd be people out here with free Timstone hats, but I want you to know that I would be lock him up, lock keep locked up, locked up, locked timy? Can we locked? Can we make that? Can we have freeckdown? We have arrest Stone, lock up tim Stone. That's pretty funny. And we can see which one sells more. It's free Timstone or locked him him up? Yeah? Locked him up or free tim Stown. Yeah that's pretty good. All right, those are on the Merge store. That's great. So he uh, when does this come out? This one? I don't worry about I'll do later. I get fine, So this episode, what do you comes out? What did you want me to actually check? You said, don't worry about it, I'll do it later. Oh my gosh, no, it's okay, I'll do that. Okay, I'm looking it up. No, I want me to do you want me to do it? Now, I'll look it up. But don't tell you, Okay, now I know, Okay, you gotta guess. I'm a little scared too. Oh my gosh, that was the worst thing you've ever done. April twenty fifth. April twenty fifth, pretty close. What is it April thirtieth? Oh? So? Uh. He he's in prison, all right, the letters and he gets put in solar solitary. He's in solitary and they'll let keep coming. So the sheriff calls the warded and he's like, hey, shot ahead, kill him. Let's see what happens. Your guy keeps sending letters. And he's like literally impossible. He's like, I know for a fact he's not sending any more letters. He's like, a matter of fact, I'm gonna let him out of solitary. This is ridiculous. He's like, he's like, you got someone else out there. You need to find him. I'm gonna let him go. Now, I'm not gonna let him go, but I am going to leave the jail door open and just see what happens. Yeah, I'm gonna leave the jail door open, and I'm gonna open up our t rex exhibit that we have in the jail and just just maybe see what happened. Maybe he trades him, who knows, He comes back in town writing a t Rex ready for his vendetta with a lass. That's the whole basis of the Last Lands Festival. Yes, it's the story of the guy who came back on Anosaur and saved and saved the city, saved the city, the guy with letters. It's gonna doom doom dum boom doom doom, dum duom dum dum mum. Jud that was just stop the letters, dude, I can't imagine whatever. I just if you listen to that kind of music, No one who listens to that music listens to our podcast. There's no not a single chance. So the letters continue, and I want to highlight one of the letters that happened in this period, just because here's sho he this guy is inslitary. This is different handwriting, though, do you think? So? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. The letters are always coming on different things. And I read this one. Forget Circleville, Ohio, do nothing to hurt. Sheriff Radcliffe, Colin, if you come to Ohio, you you were trying to set me up for that one. You were trying to set me up for that one. It says if you come to Ohio, U L. Sikos will pay the circle bill writer L. S. Is one of the funniest things I've ever heard U L. S. Okay. But this is what I'm saying, is that like the original handwriting, let's could you have one of the other letters handy right now? So look, I mean, this is not those block letters a little different. It doesn't seem a little different. Look at the W and women's right. That's clearly the curve right or well, I don't know, dude, look at this because look the W in will I know you're a pig and will prove it is. The peaks changed it. And then there's a curve W down here. It looks like it looks like but it's a curve W down here as well. And then their peak. Man, they see they keep going back and forth between the peaks and the curve. I hope if they're an audio listener, you're following the writing. The writing is definitely not their their hand right. They're clearly trying to do trying to make it look like it's not. Well, I'm looking at that A on a round that looks more the style like the a's that he's using that block A and I go back to the new one. Ah, well wait, go back. So the why is what I was looking at like your and you down here see the see the why looks like a field goal post. And then yeah, field goal post post. It's very similar, but it is a little different. One person has suggested that at some point they switched to writing with their left hand. Yeah, so to make it less obvious. Yeah, but who knows. So this this letter, I just want to highlight one one. It's supporting Sheriff Radcliffe to the ALSA because it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. But while right after uh, and this person has embraced the name the Circleville writer that is signing it now that weren't signing before. That is true. Paul receives a letter while he's in prison right after he gets sentenced to solitary. You got me to read this one. Read it? Okay? Which fresh? This F is the lowercase F that's like the only lowercase fresh hour. Now when you are going, now, when are you going to believe you aren't getting out of their colon? I told you two years ago when we set them up, they stay set up. Don't you listen at all? No one wants you out, no one. The joke is on you, ha colon, Ha, Colin, tell no one of this letter. Well, you sit it to a prison that's probably not I saw the paper. Great news, great the sheriff loved it. Ha ha. Do you believe it now? Do you? So? Fresh hour fresh hour is up for parole in nineteen ninety. They're still not letting him out, even though the literal writer is sending him letters. Yeah, so fresh hours, no fresh hours up for for parole in nineteen ninety. This is crazy, And they they the parole board you're in jail because they're like, you've been writing letters and you're threatening people when we know you're trying to murder this person. Also, the person who's writing the letters is now sending them to you in jail for the thing that you're in jail for. And we know for a fact that you can't possibly be the one writing these ones anymore, but we still think it was you. Well, the parole board, here's his parole. Hearing comes because his parole is up in nineteen ninety The parole board, here's it. And they say, while you're still writing all these letters and terrorizing the public soclude, haven't learned your lessons. They deny his parole. The warden comes out to bat for him and to the parole board and says, that's nonsense. He is not writing these letters. We know for a fact that he's not writing those letters. It's impossible, and like demands that they rehear him, and they refuse, and so he gets denied his parole and he stays in for four more years. In ninety four he's finally released, which coincident. At least the the letters stop. But how long have you spent in prison from I think it was seventy eight to ninety four. Yeah, doesn't make your blood boil? Isn't that insane? He maintained his innocence throughout the entire Really, the letters continued, The letters kept going to different people. Here's what's interesting. A lot of those letters ended up years later being found out that that was whatever they were claiming was legitimate. The affairs the child there's people who were like being accused of child abuse that got convicted later, like years after the letters were sent to them, and so the stories were lining up with whoever this person was. They knew a lot of dirt on pretty much everybody in this town and they were accurate with it. Another interesting thing is remember Gordon Massey and he's the west Fall superintendent and then Mary Gilaspie. Yeah, they ended up the whole thing started from their supposed affair that they weren't actually having, but they ended up actually having an affair after bron died. Yeah, was so married. Yeah, so they ended up bonding over the whole getting threatening letters thing like can you believe these letters are talking about having an affair? That's so crazy. That's I know, it's crazy. It's crazy, pretty crazy, isn't it pretty crazy? You know this is so crazy. How many letters have you gotten? Me too? I've got them in a box too. I have a gun in a box also. Actually, I've got four letters right here l O V. That's her And he's like, I've also got four letters A R M YDY. And she's like, He's like, I don't think you know what I'm trying to do here. Shut up, and he's like, teach me that I'm basic. Sorry, I'm really strong. So so after all this happens, like a lot of this stuff comes out to be legitimate. Here's the thing, uh Uh. Paul had always maintained his innocence, and uh maintained his innocence until his death in twenty twelve. But throughout the time from his release to his death, he continued out there saying like, none of this is the JIT, and I think there's a pretty good case that it wasn't him, obviously, Like the letters continued while he was in jail. But the one of the things we noticed right off the bat from these letters is the grammar and the spelling is insane. Right, Paul has two master's degrees, and he was like a director position at Anheuser book Bush a very educated person. And I know what you're about to say, right, I know what you're saying, Bush, b U s c H. Was it a clue or was it just I'm used to spelling Bush. That's interesting. But it's constantly there's constantly the wrong, like the wrong to the wrong, there the wrong, you're wrong, the wrong to the wrong, they're the wrong, your Alex am I stupid. Yes, that's that's not how you say that word. You spell it t h E I R there. I'm in physical pain right now. I don't know if it's that word. You say that word. No, that's t h e y already, that's there. They're what's what sound is? I R make er? They're they're quit. I'm gonna freaking hurl. Anyways. See, this guy was really smart, just like me, knows how to spell and pronounce words really well. You know, it's there, I know there is there, But they're why are you doing this, Alex? Is you think or what old on? Alex? Is the air dropping me something? There? Yeah? Not do the man voice. You just chopped off. You just chopped off the air. They are it's the same thing. That's British. Yeah, that's the British pronouncing. Okay, okay, okay. So there's there's reason to believe that it wasn't him just off that sure, but the motive is interesting as well. So take it back so that we haven't talked about yet. The very reasoning of the story is he gets a divorce before any of this starts happening, and his wife had an affair with the superintendent. His wife is a bus driver at the school, and his wife loses the divorce for in terms of like she doesn't get the kids, she doesn't get the house, she doesn't get the money, like she gets nothing in the divorce. Uh, and she is writing letters. It's her brother. Ron is her brother. That's right, Ron is her brother that died. Okay wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait okay, So Ron's sister is married was married to Paul fresh Hour. Yes, so when Ron calls Paul or when the letter writer, Yeah, calls Ron, it's his sister. But are you suggesting that he would then take a gun and go kill his sister. I don't know if that's what's happening here. I don't know if that's what's happening here, because I would guess his sister is writing the letters. Then I think his sister's writing the letters. Yeah, yess what you think. I think his sister's writing the letters. But I don't know if she's doing it alone because she uses we a lot. And then she seems to really be on Sheriff Radcliffe's side. Here's the thing. Sheriff Radcliffe also leaven around Sheriff Radcliffe was up for like a city seat, like not a city seat, like a county seat at the same time. Uh. And so the theory is that she got close with Sheriff Radcliffe, she started learning a lot of dirt about a lot of people. She has dirt, Yeah, and she has like a vendetta against Paul. She starts to believe that because Paul's gun was the gun that was uh discovered, she starts to believe that Paul was the one behind the murder. Hold on, back it up. So she's not the original letter writer. Hold on, let me, let me, let me rewind this, let me rewind. Yeah, I know it is. So she she is mad at Paul because Paul won the divorce. Yes, so she starts writing letters. She starts writing letters, she gets close to the sheriff. She's trying to help the sheriff get to his position and like defend the sheriff. Okay, but she's also one of the bus drivers and she she has like the dirt on Massie. I think she's got some vendetta against Massi as well. And so she's using this against everybody that she's got an issue with in town and she's like a very clearly a very angry individual. She seals Paul's gun. She so Paul is pretty confident that his son stole the gun and set up the booby trap. Well, Paul's son in two thousand and two takes his own life, and so a lot of people have thought that he had the guilt all those years from helping his mom in this and that's what led to that. So it looks like Paul's son stole the gun. But there was a moment where one of there was a witness, one of the other bus drivers had witnessed just before Mary drove past that bus stop where or that sign and saw that sign, that there was a guy with an el Camino, a yellow el Camino, standing by that post like setting something up on that post and wouldn't let the driver see his face, Like he turned along with the car so she couldn't see his face. But she said it was a large man with like blonde curly hair. Paul is not a large man, doesn't have blonde curly hair. And so but one of do you think I did it? It wasn't me, me the whole time, whole time, and so but one of her friends was a large man with blonde, curly hair, and another one of her friends drove a yellow alchemino, And so there is some circumstantial evidence that could point to that she prevented that witness from going forward. That witness years later like told the news like, yeah, I was going to come forward and say this, but she told me not to. Uh. And when you look at the letters, like they they're very clearly like happy that he's stuck in jail and him to stay in jail, because if he's in jail, if he's in jail, custody de faults back to her for the kids, the house to faults back to everything that faults back to her God, and so she ends up winning the divorce again. So there's pretty good reason to believe that it was actually her, but we don't know for sure. Uh. Paul, on the other hand, has since started up a website that's still online called Circleville Letters dot WordPress dot com and on that the show could give him a domain, what domain does he want by Circleville letter dot com, go to I Own that kid dot com to help solve the crime of who's writing the letters. And he's got a bunch of documents on there, but one of them is a letter to the FBI he wrote, handwritten. No, it's fully typed up with all of his evidence, one hundred and sixty four pages. Holy cow, and I've skimmed this. And his his theory is that the sheriff was behind all of this and was like writing all this to help make sure all the dirt behind him and any of his constituents that would vote for him would not keeping them Yeah yeah, yeah, and what he's keeping them on his side so that way he could get voted for and so, and that's why he was put away in jail and the evidence was hardly looked at because the case of whenever Ron died is very strange too, like this whole thing. He argues a lot that they need to reopen the case of Ron's death because when Ron died, they didn't seem to care much about the fired shot. They didn't look into that at all. They also took his truck to impound and crushed it two days later. They didn't investigate anything on it, they just crushed it. And then they sent his body off that and we're like, yeah, he had a blood alcohol content, but his whole family is like, that doesn't sound right, that doesn't him. And so there's a lot of things going on that seemed like the police were in on it. Yeah, at least obstructing some stuff, if not involved in some of this at a high level. Also, like I said, I don't know how the forensic psychopaths figured out the serial number, but they did. They just automatically like, yeah, we know what this is. So they've figured some stuff out that it's like and then they keep him in prison, even though the warden himself is like, this is not him. They were like, yeah, it's him. So it seems like some dirty stuff. And then that letter that's like, once we decide you're in, you're in, you're not getting out. Yeah, And so it seems like there's some stuff on the inside. It could be his wife, it could be or it could be his ex wife, It could be the sheriff, it could be a few people, it could be could be both of them together. But at the end of the day, it could be him, could still be him. There's a lot of people who are still convinced he's trying to frame all those people. Yeah it could yeah, very well, could still be him. But it's I mean there was over a thousand letters written. They were written until he got out of jail, and then I got out. Once he got out of jail, they stopped. So but that's all we know about him. The Circleville letters might have been Paul, might have been Paul's ex wife, might have been literally who knows. I can't imagine spending sixteen years in prison with letters still coming. Yeah, I'd had to write it on my own letter, Judge Colon, Colon, let me out, or else I will make up lies about your family. Fiddle off. Hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Things on last night. If you like that episode, we also have a different one on the Watcher of six y five seven Boulevard. So it's a house that these people bought and they start receiving mysterious letters in their mailbox from someone who claims to be the Watcher of that house. It's a really creepy story. We talked about all the theories and maybe what happened, what didn't happen, what should have happened. It's a great episode that is linked somewhere in the description here somewhere around there. Also, if you want next week's episode right now you're like, man, I'm all caught up. I want more tillan. You can join us on Patreon and you'll get next week's episode ad free. You'll get in our Discord channel, a bunch of other perks. We'd love to see you there. Thanks for checking out our show. 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This episode of Things I Learned Last Night is about the mysterious Circleville Letters that terrorized the small town of Circleville, Ohio, starting in the 1970s. The letters contained damaging information and threats and were sent to hundreds of residents over nearly 20 years. The first recipient was the local high school superintendent Gordon Massie, who received a letter accusing … Read More