Are You an Alien Super Soldier?

08-13-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, you're watching Things other than last Night. Today we cover the Secret Space Program. It is a bonker's conspiracy theory and emphasis on bonkers. This is gonna be a wild ride. I hope you're ready for it. And there's a pretty fun surprise at the end of this episode, so stick around till the end. If you're watching for the first time, subscribe right now. Don't wait to see it. Subscribe right now. I guarantee you're gonna be happy. Hit that bell icon, leave a comment, leave a review if you're listening on one of the podcast apps, and thanks for watching Things out the last Night. Oh important disclaimer, this is a comedy podcast. We're gonna laugh a lot. We're gonna make fun of stuff. I hope you're ready for that. Thanks for checking this out. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the Secret Space Program? Secret Space Program? Yeah? No, I mean if I did, it would just be the Space Program. No, this is the secret one, right, Okay, all right, this is this is gonna be a journey. I think what we need to do today is we're gonna so here's what we're here's what we're gonna have to do. What are you looking at me like that, you mean it's gonna be a journey, you know, exactly the camera and tell them what you mean by it's going to be a journey. Well, here's the here's the cool thing about this is, technically speaking, this isn't really an alien episode. I mean it's alien adjacent There are some aliens that are alien adjacent space. Sure, yeah, there's gonna be some aliens that enter the story at certain points, but it's not about them. It's kind of like it's kind of like Friday, which which character are, Like there are there's the main characters in Freaky Friday, and there's the then there's all the supporting actors. I don't know what the Freaky Friday like. I don't know. I don't know literally anyone else in Freaky Friday. I can name name. So you're saying Lindsay Lohan, Jamie Lee Curtis, I can tell you. The aliens history are basically that weird No, that's School of Rock that I'm thinking of, isn't it. There actually was that weird scene of Freaking Friday with the alien dish of Okay, why do you sound weird today? Are you good? What the frick? What are you talking about. What do you mean when I sound weird? You get some weird you're yelling, and you got some weird nasal thing going on. I got a weird nasal thing going on. You're yelling. Did I mention that you're yelling? Tell me what's your resting heart rate? I don't know. I'm measuring right now. You said that, and so I just went and I'm like, let me, I'm right now. Came in this morning, it was like, I'm on edge. Okay, buddy, well, I was preparing for this episode and you're not gonna believe what I saw last night. I was planning for you're yelling. I was preparing for this episode and you're never gonna believe that's what you're doing right now. You're freaking yelling. I'm not yelling. Prepared for this episode and you saw what. You're not gonna believe what I saw last night? Okay? The aliens came and they said, don't don't cover this topic? All right? What is it? Don't you cover this topic? And I said I'm gonna do it, and they said, don't you did? I try so hard to make this podcast good, and it feels like you're trying so hard for it not to be. It feels like I'm trying my best. I show up and I'm like, you know what, I've centered myself a school, I took some time and you know, did some self reflection. I already did my workout this morning. I feel good, you know, I'm ready to record some episodes. And you sit down and you're like, you like, bro, why don't you just teach me the topic. They go to an intergalactic war with the global elites and the Illuminati. Okay. While they're there, they develop time travel. Okay, so she goes back things I learned last night. Cool, we're gonna ask this with this? Is it a couple of parts? There's gonna be two parts of this story. One, I'm gonna tell you the story of the Secret Space Program. We've done this a couple times before. I'll tell you the story of the Secret Space Program. Great. And then I'm gonna tell you the series, the story of where they're at today. Cool. And then something really interesting that happened a few weeks ago. Jot it. Honestly, gosh, I wish that was what happened. I wish so bad, Like, oh gosh, all right, anyways, let me center myself, like you said, pull it together, let's get into it. Okay, So the Secret Space Program is, uh, here's the story for the Secret Space Program. To take this back to like eighteen gosh, seventy ietek seventy. Yeah, we're taking this way back. We're taking this way back when were people space people have been around for a long time. I understand that. So it started in it started like eighteen hold on, let me get the date right. Let me get this date right. Eighteen seventy one. Eighteen seventy one, a book came out of a novel was written by a woman under the name of Maria or Sick. You know who that is. No, she's allegedly an important historical figure that I've never heard about before. I was going to show you a picture of her, but instead I found this drawing someone did, and I figured I'd show this to you instead. This is Maria or Sick. Okay. The rest of the episode is not going to get better, all right, I don't know. Maybe a will. If you're listening, it's a picture of right now, it feels like the first three minutes of the presidential debate, where you're like, oh, this is gonna go. Okay, you're like a ninety minutes that was gonna this is what we're doing today. This is not gonna be ninety minutes. By the way, I will never let that happen to you. It might be you're safe, Okay, I will keep this ow guide this thing. Okay, So if you listen, if you're listening, this is a colored pencil drawing. This is a pencil drawing with colored pencil in a couple of specific zones. It's it's a group of three women like worshiping a UFO. And then there's one down here where a she's holding the flat earth. That's the firm ice. Yeah, she's holding the flatter I thought it was a platter of something. And she's checking her and there's art rate. Yeah, she's making sure she's still got a balls ninety six alive. There's like alien letters all over the paper. And then there's a woman in the front that's Maria. She's got a nice little hair clip and her the UFO is painted gold. And then the only other thing that has colored with the colored pencils is her blonde hair, blue eyes. So that that might give you a hint of where we're going with this. Anytime someone says blonde hair, blue eyes might give you a hint of where we're going with this. I don't think that's great. So in her novel, I should say she's a character, like there's a novel written by her, but years later she disappears. I have concerns on whether this is a real person. I think it might have been a pseudonym. I think someone elsher wrote this that was not her. And they're pretending like your what's your author name? Aname? What do you mean my author name? What's your author name? Don't you have like an author name? I have an author name. I thought you had another name. No, I thought you had like a like I was gonna write my novels and say my name was Oh, there was the possibility that I do T J. Stone if I start to become a novelist. That's not the same. I thought you had like a freaking you know, like just a complete suit on him, Cornelius Whittaker or something like that. No, yeah, I did have Remember when we were growing up on the internet and like, none of your sentences sound like they're gonna end. Well, dude, what are you talking? Keep going? Please, we're going for on the internet. And it was like, oh, there's sketchy people on the internet. You can't use your real information, right, And so we all had fake information with fake birthdays, fake addresses, all this, all that. Yeah, what was your fake names? What was your fake name? My fake name was Bibbathy mama Bear. Used it on everything. And you think that that fools some people. People were like, we were like, heybath mama Bear. No, I'm chatting with my friend Bib And uh, what do you mean that's not as real name you think Bibathy Mama Bear. I thought you were talking about, like, you know, different identities online, you're talking user names. No, that was I had a username. I had a different username. That's what I would put for my name. When I was a first name, last name field, I would always put bibithy mama bear. Yeah, and something feels like just what a I am generated for you? Honestly, it could be I would. I did sometimes have typos, and so it was Bipathy mam bear on some things. Got it? Uh, yeah, you want to dive into water, you chose mama. I don't know where that came from. I was just thinking about that for a second. That's an interesting choice. Yeah, that is an interesting choice. So why don't we take it back, Like when you were like six, maybe you know I was taking a nap and I woke up. I woke up from this nap and I walked downstairs and my family is not there. They're gone. They're not in the house. Here's the true story. They're not in the house. I look everywhere. I'm panicking, six years old, can't find my family anywhere. Yeah, and then finally I look out in the backyard and there they are my parents and my little brother, who's an infant at the time, having a picnic without me and I. I slept through it. And I couldn't take a nap until I was twenty seven years old. I couldn't. I couldn't fall asleep because I was afraid I was missing something. This feels like a bit that trut. I don't know. I know it is. I'm saying it started as a bit, and then you got just a little too real with it, you know, like for twenty one years, I couldn't take a nap. Wow, buddy, that's actually really sad. It was. That was a moment for you that you cry, Are you crying right now? I just a little six year old bipathy sleeping through family time. I walked out on the deck and I was like, are you guys having a picnic without me? Stop crying? I can't. I'm just picturing he needed his mama bear. Get this man into acting gay. Jeez, those tears. I believed them. Oh wow, Yeah, So that's kind of like whenever I was a kid, What if this is just us like saying, you know, like this will happen. My wife will do this a lot. She'll say stuff because she had like an abnormal childhood, I think, or like there's a lot of people at evangel who did this. Yeah, but you know when your parents did this thing and all of your friend group goes, no, has it ever happened? You know when you're like sharing like and you're like, oh, yeah, like my my parents, you know, when we would get in like conflict or whatever, my mom just would like leave for like three days. And then you're like that's not normal. Oh, you know when your mom goes away for a couple of days and you're like no, like actually, no, they didn't happen. For like, when you're on vacation and you're in the bathtub and you shove socks and that's why your parents paint into without you did. Yeah, we don't really want this guy around. This guy they're talking about their six year old son. In the abstract. They're like like, oh, man, hey, Terry, do you want to have a picnic in the backyard. Don't invite that guy this time? What guy artists? You know who I'm talking about, that guy who's around here all the time. Oh, yes, baby, baby, I don't think that's okay. So you all this came from you think that this is a made up person. Oh that's right. Yeah, So I'm pretty sure this person's made up. So there's no way I actually got vulnerable on this. This is so sad. There's no easy way to say what I'm about to say. Maria writes a novel, and in her novel, she says that there was a group of aliens from a far away galaxy and they came to Earth and they breathed with humanity and created a superior race that it is called the Arians. Is don't some people think that was like the angels that did that? Though? Yes? Yeah, And so the theory is that she was the puppet master controlling Adolf. So she founded the Real Society, which is also known as what V R I L Real, which is also known as the All German Society for Metaphysics. And so basically this was kind of like an early feminist movement. She realized that a lot of men had more opportunity than the women in their society, and so she got a group of women together and they would we should kill all these guys. We should build camps for these men, kill them all. No, she said, she did like it was like metaphysical stuff. So they would meditate and they would worship the UFOs. That was why. That's what got so they this is in the book? Is describing all this or is this like a real thing that I'm gonna be one hundred percent honest with you. I don't really know. I didn't read the book. It seems like it's probably garbage. But what I this is a piecemeal story of it could have been in the book, it could have been her real life. It also all seems like it might be made up. I'm gonna be honest, So we don't know. But she had this group and in nineteen twenty seven, Big a found the real society. I don't like calling the big a. I don't think you should do that. What else am I going to call him? Adolf Hitler? Adolf Hitler. I'm just trying not to get us demonetized. I'm trying to say it less. I'm trying to use the word less mustachio. He finds the society, and you say his name. I don't know what the limit is on that. Pretty crazy to have a name that would just be like, actually, no one can advertise nov So Yeah, in nineteen nineteen, he finds a society and he gets the you go bibbler mom, mama, bear, mam a fear. Uh. He finds the society, he joins it, surprisingly because it's an all woman's society. So they're saying that that that the Nazis, which keep saying that. I don't know how many times you can say that, I don't know. Uh, so unserious, which makes it feel like we're just we're not making light of any of that. But yeah, we're just genuinely trying. Uh. The theory then is that that was puppet stringed by aliens, not by aliens, by this woman who was who believed it. I don't know if she was controlled by aliens. She knew that the aliens came to earth, I shouldn't say she knew. She believed that the aliens came to earth and created a spirit race by breeding with humans, and she was like, we need to make sure that that is the race. Is what she campaigned for? Why he was welcome to the crew. Is this a serious question? A little bit? I think like NBA basketball players are real. I believe I've never seen him. Actually I have seen him in real life. Have you seen him? You're never gonna believe what I just googled. Okay, uh, this kid that got drafted this year? Oh the draft? Yeah, yeah, you actually remember his name? The other day the Mormon kid. No, okay, the Mormon Kid is a crazy story. That's a different story. A tangent on that. Let's do that in the fiddle off. The fiddle off by while you're looking that up. The fiddle off is after we do that, at the end, we go fiddle off. In the music plays, we we kind of just chat about the episode and whatever else, and our Patreon supporters get to watch that every week. Yeah, so if you would like access to some bonus content, it's a little plug there. There you go. What is this kid's name? Was he like seven four or something? Uh? Oh, he hasn't been drafted yet. Okay, so there is a kid. This kid got Okay, so I got drafted. There's a kid this he Okay, what is what's going on with the kid? So there was a guy who just got drafted? How tall is how tall is he? I think at seven four seven five just got drafted made history is like the super a super tall NBA player. Well, there's a kid that is in college right now. His name is Oliver Oliver Root r I o u x How do you say that r I o u x U. Sure, he's seventy nine and he's playing. He's in D one. He's playing in college. This is him next to a normal sized human. It's a toddler. He's standing next to toddler. And that toddler is adorable by the way. That toddler. That's a good that that's like a five year old. Maybe that kid that kid's yeah, of toddler. He's here, he is in a game with another kid his a imagine being that Yeah, the defender on that he's like I think they said he's six six inches taller than Shack. He is a full head taller than Shack. And what's kind of wild about him is he's proportional. Like if you look at him, if you take take that child out of this picture, like he does. He doesn't look to because some people, when you see him, you're like, oh, he's yikes, you got like issues, like his arms are long. Yeah, it's kind of bonkers. That's crazy. So do you think he exists or yeah, I believe in him. Do you think when the Bible talks about giants, do you think they're talking about this guy or do you think it's like actual giants. So anyway, this is the guy who got drafted. So this is him next to this guy who got drafted a seventy four. Uh. And that guy looks tall if you want, if you look at his frame, that's a very tall. He's not proportional. Where Oliver Rue is a great neck. You think, I don't know what it is, but it's like because like if you look at I think it's pronounced women yama his. I think it's the it's the size of your quads and like the distance between your hips and your knees. Yeah, because some of these guys like they have the long shins, like from the knees knees to ankles. Yes, that proportion's weird. Yes, and like you look at his his arm to look really on his fingers look super long. Women Yama, but olivers, look it's proportional. It matches up with the rest of the body. I feel like women Yamas doesn't look like it matches. Okay. Anyways, So all that to say body shaming anybody, by the way, I'm just I'm talking about what they look like. Yeah, I'm just I'm just looking in front of their weird say they look they look like your arms look like dementors, you know, like I that's just that's I mean, body shaming you. That's me just calling out that. I'm just saying I would be ashamed if you feel shame, that's all. Dude. Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, A great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week, they get a discord with our host and producers. We do monthly hangouts. We do there's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perse, but more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're gonna keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us and so like, we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want a support, that's really fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. No, so I believe in those okay. So anyway, so the aliens are like, hey, this is the Yeah, so there's this there's this super race, and she wants them to be you know. Sure, somehow Hitler joins this group. I don't know how he gets admitted into it because it's not a woman group. But I mean historically speaking, he was kind of like like the Beatles, right, what he that's true, right, Alex, I'm not wrong. What are you talking about? Like he was like, uh, like before he got elected and during his campaign, he was I don't know what a popular Yeah, yes, but like I don't know what the right word is. Womanizer is not the right work because he wasn't a womanizer. But like he had a lot of female fans that like adored him, Okay, like they like found him attractive. So he's he joins this society, and the theory is that's where he was radicalized in this group with Maria Orsai. He had to submit to the leadership of the women's Society. Do you think it was, like, well, that's the theory. The theory is he joins the society and he becomes like they're pawn. And then so he goes into politics and he does everything we know that he does, and she's in control of it all behind him. Got it? The war ends? Uh? And then she disappears. Is the story world War two ends? Or World War one ends? World War two? World War two? Uh? And so she was significant because somewhere all on the line, through her meditation and all her metaphysical stuff, she got into or she got a hold of this alien race and they were able to give her a map and that map letter to Antarctica. Have you heard this conspiracy theory. What you're gonna find in this episode is the secret space of society kind of strings together a bunch of conspiracy theories. Yeah, like project strings together a lot of things and makes it a maga theory. And so which every time we talk about one of those conspiracy theories, that's where it all falls apart. Is like any any conspiracy, like any big theory that includes all the other ones is like, yeah, come on, you start to realize this doesn't work when you look at it as a whole. Anyways, So they get the map to uh Antarctica and buried under the ice is all this technology from an ancient human civilization that has since been wiped out. Sure, they use that technology to build Have you heard of the die glock? Is it just al with the word die on it? No? Oh yeah, just double okay, No, not even close. Have you heard of the Food Fighters? Yep, not those ones? No, the what the Food Fighters named their band after? You know what that is? Okay? So the Food Fighters in history, not the band was this. They were basically UFOs and World War two, okay, And so they got attributed a lot to Germany. And so the idea was Germany had this experimental aircraft that didn't look like normal jets. I guess they weren't even jets at that time, fighter planes. And they called them food fighters because they didn't understand what they were, and so that was just kind of the name that they gave them. There's also the theory that they were UFO, like actual alien UFOs. That's what a food fighter is, and that's what the band is named after. Okay, this, the die Block is allegedly one of those food fighters. I can only show this for a moment, but this is They also call it the bell and it spins. Yeah, and so it's like a that's a real picture of something that's not a real picture. I didn't think. So it looks like a bell. And then also was a UFO the earnest what you said, the liberty bell with some racist symbols on it. And if also it was a UFO, Golly, it looks like the Liberty bell. And it looks like a UFO if you took it in photoshop and stretched it vertically, that's what it looks like. Yeah, and so this was their spacecraft. And so if the story is all the UFOs we see are just Nazi Germany's space ships bill crafts. And so after the war they retreat to Antarctica where they build yes civilization. Yeah, and while they're there, Maria Mariah or sick she lead, She takes over the lead. She has always been the lead, but now she's like the vocal lead. Sure, and they they were the ones who actually decided to depose Bibbler Cure because they were like, he's taking this into red direction. We didn't really want to take this. Sure, they put an end to the Third Reich and they start their Fourth Reich, and that's in ANARCA, and they become like a secret civilization. Over the course of a few years into the Cold War, they end up developing technology to get them to space. This lady's been alive since the eighteen seventies, though in this story, in this story, yeah, So she's like, that will make sense in a little bit. Okay, it won't make sense, but you'll understand. You'll understand. Okay, it won't make any sense, but you'll get it. The plot hole won't be a plot hole, it'll just be dumb. So they achieve space travel, they go to space. They so she goes back, she goes back to eighteen whatever. I don't know. And now this is where the meat of the story really begins to happen. And so we're talking the Nordics, the Salonians, the there's others that I'm having a hard time remember, the lizard people ones I don't know, all the other aliens that everyone the Grays, you know, all these aliens, all these aliens that everyone talks about. So they go to war with them, and it's been a long running war. They did not have a huge population, and so they needed to expand their army. How do they do that Well, through the use of their time traveling technology. They time traveled through the last four or five hundred years, and they abducted humans and took them to Mars as children or adults or whatever age they got them, and they turned them into super soldiers to fight for right their cause. And so they joined the war as these super soldier slaves basically. And so they had this training and they all have We're gonna get some YouTube comments and from people, and I just I want you to play back the last fifteen seconds of the video where he talks about them taking people kind traveling, teaming them to Mars, and then delete whatever crap you're writing in our YouTube comments right now, because this is it's a fun story. But if you're like this is real, I mean this sincerely kind of dumb, you know, Like I don't. I don't want to be it's not trying to be mean. I'm just trying to be honest with you. I mean, somebody has to tell you that this is I think that's probably one of the dumbest things I've heard. You know, I genuinely thought you were gonna be like, you should talk to someone and be like nice, No, you're just like you suck. No, you should talk to someone, just not about this. Don't say anything about this. Don't. This is one of those things where you bring it up and then someone else knows how dumb you are, you know, you know, when you're hanging out with somebody and they say someone you go, oh, no, you're one of those dumb I've never had someone look at me like that and say that like that. I've said it to more people lately. I No, I just mean, like, it's not like a, oh we disagree. It's like it's not like it's not like oh yeah, it's it's just kind of like, oh, that's something that you believe in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's pretty rough. So continuing the story, I'm really sorry to be the one to tell you, yeah, because I know you're sitting here you're like, you're dumb, You're you're dumb. That's why they deleted that comment. And then they just put no you're dumb, No, you're dumb. All right, Well, hey if you think we're dumb, but no, you're dumb in the I think will lend me money, you know what I'm saying, Like they know that I'm not dumb. You don't sit down. You sit down for a loan in the loan officers like all right, I've just got some routine questions to ask what should be? What's your credit should be? Have you ever defaulted on a loan? Do you believe that there is a race of ancient preaching? The very minimum TSA is like this guy's pretty dumb, but he's not. I'm really trying. I really don't want to be mean about this stuff. But the more alien stuff we do, there's some of them where I go I can see how you got there, right, or like ah, that's pretty I mean, I don't know, there's there's there are enough belief systems, and I think this way with with religion, with the with with is that I go, Yeah, there's so much stuff that like if you want to get nailed down of like did a literal flood happen? Or did did you actually get swallowed by a way? All this stuff, I go, I don't, that's not the point of the story. Like there's room for some mysticism here, right, And then there's other stuff where it's like, well, you're like this happened and you go it didn't. Yeah, which reminds me, did did you watch the TikTok I sent me yesterday? Did you watch? No, you can't what did talk? Did you send me yesterday? Honestly, this and I mean this so sincerely one of the most impressive things. And by impressive, I mean like surprising, like I was. I was impressed at that this decision was made because it seems, in my opinion, so out of character for the show historically. But you know, so I'm guessing you didn't watch it because it's normal. The Terrence Howard's appearance on Joe Rogan, Oh yes, if you haven't seen that, I did, because he brought somebody else on. The other guy was like, you don't understand what's yeah, so if you if you haven't seen it Terrence. Joe Roganna had Terrence Howard on his podcast a couple of months ago, and Terrence Howard one equals to two. Yeah, and he's been he's been campaigned, no one can this is what I'm saying. He uses he uses really big words to sound intelligent, and he's a lot of people you're dumb, dumb, and so Joe brought him on and had him on for like two hours to just spout all this that was just stupid. Well, recently he brought on an actual mathematician to talk to him, and the mathematician I think did a really good job because he wasn't a jerk like he was. It was just like, okay, he was kind of doing what I'm doing right now. It was like, what you're saying does not make any sense, yeah, in any world. Yeah. And then and then he'd be like, he'd like, okay, could you explain this. He'd explain it, and then he'd be like, Okay, well what you're saying does not mean what you're saying it means, and let me explain why, and like and it just over and over again, like he just basically shot down everything he was saying. But he was so nice about it, and we're wasting their time, you know what I'm saying. Like people were like, oh, I wasted my time on this podcast. It's like, dude, that episode was three hours long and it's the most popular podcast to listen to. A mathematician have to explain third great math to a grown man who made more money than all of us. That's why it makes me angry. But that was that was It was just surprising to me because it's so out of the norm I think for that show to bring people with a posing view, like to bring a smart person to tell the dumb person why they're dumb, because I feel like the whole show is just why don't you say some nonsense? Well that yeah, that's the thing is to have Terrence Howard on in the first place, on brand, To have Terrence Howard come back on and have like a distinguished mathematician talk to him and tell him why he's an idiot? Not on brand? And I was like, well, the thing about like aliens and stuff is there is at least room there's at least room because I can't prove. And this is where I get so annoyed with a lot of like the online debates especially, but like anytime I encounter a person in real life, we have these conversations and their argument is you can't prove that it is wrong. Yeah, and I go, okay, but that doesn't mean that it's it's like where he's like he doesn't breathing gravity. You're like, yeah, you improve that is yeah, you know, but you can't prove that that's what's happening. And you're like, I guess, I sure, yeah, you know there's at least like a slipper room with math, Yeah, that doesn't exist. That's I think that's probably why that happened. Where it's like with math, it's kind of like there's no wiggle room in what you're trying to say, I have one of one? Yeah, how many do I have here? And he's like he's like, oh, you got two? I don't know, you see there's two there, I have one one. That's how it was explained to us in third grade. Yeah, and we all were like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. We get it because we're third graders. And our brains work like third graders anyway, where I feel like I might be coming across as a jerk in this episode, but like I don't. It's okay. Care, I think it's okay. Okay. If you don't believe in basic math, I want to be really clear, you should talk to something. So they time traveled, they went back and got like four hundred Yeah, they went back about four hundred years year. They're kidnapping people and the Army of superhumans. Well here's the thing, here's what's crazy. They're super advanced. These people are living. They're super soldiers too, so they're living three four or five hundred years super soldier in for the Fourth Reich in Mars. Sure, and it's this is long intense war. Well, what has happened recently over the last this when I make this is just because the alien Nazis. By the way, just like, is that what we're doing? I mean they're they're not technically aliens. I mean there are aliens superhuman Nazis. Is that what you want me to put? No? Definitely not that. Okay. So over the last like six or seven years, there has been this movement that has grown, Okay, and they call themselves the Secret Space Program. And so from seven years ago like the recently recently, Yeah, and they are now coming forward as whistleblowers. And the storyline is that they were kidnapped as children and they became super soldiers. It's just the Moon Talk project. Yeah. And they're coming forward to everyone, Project Bluebeam. Yeah, they're they're they're coming forward to tell everyone about their experience as a super soldier and outlining. Can you show me a picture of any of them? Yeah, let me grab a little screenshot of you know exactly what I'm about to do with this, by the way, because I want you to use your eyes. Which Witcher, Watcher, Listener, Watcher, all Hill, the Watcher. When you see these superhumans, you make the determination I'm not gonna say a word. So this is the most popular one. This guy, specifically, he runs a YouTube channel called super Soldier Talk. His name is James Rink. He's significant. He brings a lot of whistleblowers on his show and interviews them, has them share their story. Most of the people he brings on are not well known people in this community. Like there are some like okay, super Space Program celebrities that are like the top of the food chain in this group. He's shown me up there. I can all grab some This is super soldier talk. This is the this is him. This is James Rink. He spent about three hundred years as a super soldier in the Nazi Martian Army. I feel like you watching knew exactly where I was going with that, And I'm just gonna let this image sit with you, you know, yeah, you know, in like and I'm not like again, we're not body shaving anybody here, Okay, I look like this. Yeah, yeah, anyway, the question is three hundred years of interterrestrial training, all right, this is two years of intermediate training. And these are this is Randy Kramer and Debbie Dashinger. I think they are celebrities in this in this movement as super soldiers. Randy's a little more believable, like if he like retired, has been retired for twenty years from the from the experience, he does have the alien hand going on. Yeah, yeah, I in space. I immediately just don't trust people who use virtual backgrounds on zoom. Yeah that's pretty accurate. Yeah that's not a true. Show me what you're hiding. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode, want to let you know real quick. We have an email list, and it's not like a, hey, we're going to send you our merch and new episodes all the time. We actually give you updates on these stories as we find out about them. So a lot of our episodes we've done a couple of years ago now have updates or that the person the topic was about passed away or was caught by the police, or whatever updates we can find on episodes that we've done, we want to let you know about it, so that our episodes just aren't, you know, out there out of date. It's a really fun way to keep learning new information. And then every once in a while we let you know about new events coming up or new episodes, and it's just a way to help us keep spreading this show. What's my wife is A is a grade school teacher at a very fancy private school right where like these rich people send their kids, and so she'll do parent teacher conferences over zoom and uh, Like I walked down to the living room and it's like rich people talk like people that you would know on the zoom and I'm like, hey, turn the laptop and like show them our bookshelf. Don't sit facing our blinds, which people don't have blind never, Oh well those people are poor. Turn the laft. Make it look like we like we tried here, you know, No I don't know. I don't they know we don't have money. We're teaching your kids right like I don't know, I don't, but just don't don't let them think we live, like, don't let them see are blind? Yeah yeah, blind is not rich. Don't have blinds? Yeah, yeah. The closest thing they have are those like wooden blinds that like don't have a cord. Yeah, Like that's the closely ridge. That's just their bathroom. People who like stay inside. And then it's like, can you guys close the wines And they're like they pay them one hundred and forty thousand dollars a year for that each and there's like twelve of them for that window. Yeah, but they don't get to leave. They're there, but it's a year long commitment. Yeah, you make one hundred and forty grand and you don't have any expenses that year. You can't eat you're not allowed to eat well, I mean when the sun goes down, there's nothing for you to block anymore. So you're allowed to like kind of walk around the house, but you if if a sliver of light, yeah, you gotta make sure you block that light. If someone drives by and their cars are their brights shine in and you're not there to block it, you get they ship you off to Mars to fight in the secret space broke. So what I'm saying is those people, you know, my point stands. Yeah, you know, we we showed you images of these super soldiers, and you can make your own determination, even if you're an audio listener, I think you get it. Yeah. So, so allegedly what happens here is they go fight at super soldiers for years and then they kind of use them up or something. I don't know. They get to the point where they're not you're not valuable to their military anymore, right, and then they take you back to Earth. They mine, mine, erase you like men in black, and then they just drop you back in Earth and so it's like you were never gone. And but then these people, as I say, what's their claim, like, h I closed my eyes when they sat me. Through meditation and remote viewing, they are able to recall the memories of their time in the secret space Shark, and they're able to tell their story. They're also able to tell you all their past lives and things like that. Great, which is why that's the story. I don't really understand. But they all had they all had roles. They there's weapons testers, there was pilots, there was infantry, people who pretty much any role in the military, and they will tell you everything that they did. Some of the significant names in this Randy Kramer, who I showed you that picture of James Rink, is like the most successful YouTuber doing this, and to put that in perspective, he is more successful than us, but right not like super like his videos get like ten thousand views on average, but not like huge numbers. But some of the other names out there that are doing this are Mark Richards, who he's famous outside of this organization for murder and robbery. He's now in prison. He's famous outside of this for murder. He is serving a prison sentence for murdering somebody. He also attempted to take over his hometown and param takeover and be Kaun saw himself as king. He attempted to do this, and I don't know if there's like a storyline there he just he attempted a coup with how many people. I don't know if he had people. I think it was like I think it was the sort of thing where he had this plot. Yeah, he was like, I am now the king, and they were like, go to jail, sure, buddy. Then another guy by the name of James Caswelt, he claims that he was in m I six. Uh, and then he one day was meditating after an am if you live prison, he's in prison for blackmail. But wait, where the where in the world is he from. I don't know where he's from. Actually, I must love it us he's in m I six. Yeah, because it's not true he's not in That's what I'm saying. I would assume he's like you if you like and he's like all right, and you're like, you're from Indiana, okay. But he also attemded to take over his hometown. He didn't, but that would be great if all of these people did. And then and then there's a very significant Why is that a theme of like taking over your hometown? I don't know. I think everyone just thinks that they could run their hometown better. Yes, I have to wait at that stoplight. For four seconds too long. If I was the king, that won't happen. Yeah, I don't know, Okay. So and then another significant person, probably the most significant person in this whole, this whole conspiracy theory cult thing, is a woman by the name of Laura Eisenhower. And yes, she is those Eisenhower's No, yeah, she is the granddaughter of the Eisenhower that's that sucked so much because, like, you know, you can't control what you're grandkids do when you die. Yeah, yeah, you get sea. And so now she goes and she speaks at their conferences like she she campaigns for all this stuff. She's been like blacklisted from her whole family because of course we can't be so because her family looked at her and said, hey, her family looked at her and said, we're going to show you a picture and you tell us if this is a super soldier, but you kind of dumb Eisenhower. Dang, Yeah, that sucks for her. Yeah, So this is interesting. This is kind of a I mean, this is a this is a group that's growing. It's not huge, there's no real estimate of how big this group is, but they do do like an annual conference in Vegas. It doesn't seem like it's very large. They rent out a few conference hall, a couple thousand people show up. It doesn't seem huge. But if you have a couple of thousand people that show up to this conference, it's probably safe to assume they're in the tens of thousands of people right globally that are buying into this this thing. The reason I found out about it is there's a YouTuber by the name of Oki. He has a channel called OKI's Weird Stories. Okay, he found this and he said, I bet I could do that. Uh, and so he actually what I was thinking this whole time. Yeah, So he he deep dove the story, the lore and all the stuff, and he developed his own story. And he was saying, I think I said this in our last episode, is like, we got to figure out something to infiltrate some of these Yeah, we gotta start scamming. So he what this what this guy does? Super Soldier talk? He uh he does. He sells guided meditations for two hundred two dollars an hour. You can hop on a zoom call and he will help you to discover your experience. Okay, so we've been doing guided meditation. You can ask your echo to do guided meditations. Have you done these before? I have not. I didn't know I did that. Say echo, give me a guided meditation to fall asleep, and it doesn't do it on a rotation. It's the same one we've found out. We need to figure out how to get a different one. Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna be honest with you. It works. It puts you to sleep. I mean my wife fell asleep in maybe seven minutes. Was she really tired? I mean she was tired, but usually because she I try to keep my phone away in the last like two hours of the night or whatever. She's the person who's like, oh, yep, yep, yep. Oh, it's crazy that you're not crazy that you're so awake. Shot your eyes with light for a couple of minutes there. Yeah, But it's one of those like it's it's like, it's okay to let go of any pressure you have, any other tasks that need to get done, yep, and even the pressure to fall asleep. Let go of the pressure to fall asleep. That's it. That is that is one of the things. Though, it's like once you kind of like if you can't sleep and then you get in your head. Oh yeah, that's one of the worst places. Yeah. The easiest way to not fall asleep is to try to fall asleep. Yeah yeah, but yeah, So he sells these Gouted meditations, and in those guyded meditations, he basically helps you view your experience in the Secret Space Program. Okay, so you can find out if you were a Secret Space Program soldier. I'm willing to bet every time you buy one you find out you were a Secret Space Program soldier. Yeah. And I'm also willing to be a little certificate I was a Secret Space Program soldier. Shoot, is this worth it? And I'm also pretty sure that every time you do one of those, he invites you to come to an interview on a show because he gets the content out of it as well, So he kind of double dips getting paid okay because all of this. Yeah, all of his guests on a show are quote unquote nobody's in the community, and so it's like every once in a while he has the like famous people in the community, but they're the majority of them, sure nobody's and they're like, I was a super soldier. Yeah, and then they tell their story and he interviews them. I think that's and I what about the breakfast burritos they served at camp? Right? Wasn't that at the base camp? Oh? I remember those? And you're like, they didn't serve breakfast britals on mars. I think, man, those were rough. Those were really rough. Really they were my favorite. They were rough to turn away from because I just wanted to eat all of them. They were so good. Yeah, So he appears on he does the session and in that in that session, he's like, he's like, what do you see? And so they're sitting there and he's like, he's like, I see mister Beast And he was like he was like yes, he's like I have I've heard that he's one of their operatives. Wait, so this guy did the he paid the two fifty. I just posted that as his content. Well, what his content was was the whole story of how like he told his story, he showed him get on that sure thing long stray. Short after the session, he was like, Hey, the Las Vegas conference is coming up. Do you want to come? They do a conference, Yeah, they do a conferences in Vegas in Vegas. Yeah, And he's like he's like, do you want to come. That is not far from where I live. He said, I'm keynoting one of the sessions. You come watch it and maybe we can do We'll go to this conference A thousand two thousand. He did in the video he kind of showed the conference. I didn't. I didn't see like it didn't seem like it was like packed. It was. There's definitely a room in this ballroom, so maybe maybe a thousands even too big for that. I don't know how big this ballroom is. Yeah, but I They did say that there was a lot of sessions that were literally empty, like the speaker didn't show up to the breakout session, and so they were like, this, it was very unorganized. Sure, well, he goes to that session and this guy invites him up to his room. At some point he's like, would you like to do our interview? And so he brings him in and he does an interview for his YouTube channel. And so this is the YouTuber OK with this super soldier on the left after the oh, thanks for clarifying which and he put it out. He put out his interview and OKI made the whole thing up like it's he completely lied because he was like, I'm bad. I could. I bet I could get on this channel. And after his interview went out on the Super Soldier Talk YouTube channel, he put out his video and it was kind of interesting actually watching his response to it afterwards. I think it's worth looking it up and watching the video. It's a good video response older response. Oki said, you know, when I started researching this, my thought was, how can anybody possibly believe any of this? And he said, I went to do the interview, and I was very nervous because I was trying to remember all all the storylines and the threads and make sure I didn't get anything wrong and like expose myself. But it's like, but once we started going, he's like, I just kind of went and he's like, and I felt myself start to believe it. And he's like, it's kind of crazy how your brain, Like, if you spend enough time thinking about something, whether it's true or not, you can convince yourself it's true. Yes. And he's like, I had spent so much time studying this and rehearsing the story and building this character that when I had to interview for it, that character became me. And that's what So I read the book the storm was upon us, which was the rise of QAnon. Same concept is that when you spend your entire day ruminating and thinking on and trying to put this puzzle together and how does this, how does this piece fit into this, you can you can really figure out how that piece fits into it. Yep, you know, and then your brain is like jelly. Your brain just morphs around stuff. Yeah, you know. It's the same way when like when if you ever talked to an ex or a friendship that didn't end well and or you kind of try to you know, or somebody that you had some kind of falling out and then you guys touch base like ten years later kind of thing, and you go, whatever happened to our friendship. The story that they've told themselves about your relationship will be wildly different than the story that you have told yourself about the relationship. And that's why, like marriage counseling is so difficult, is because you two have told your own stories about what marriage is and what your relationship is, and then you're going to counseling and you're battling realities. Yeah, you have this reality that's been reality. No, this is this is reality. Yes, and your brain just goes okay, yes, yeah, crazy. There's a therapist that I listened to a lot right now, and he talks about I think I think calls it the twenty six year old syndrome. I don't know if this is a real thing or his own thing, okay, but basically he talks about He says it's really common. He says, I see it a lot in like the hustle grind culture. Like young men in their mid twenties where they pick up this entrepreneurial mindset and they spend so much time thinking and dreaming about the future where they make it as an entrepreneur and they're bringing in millions a year, and in their head, they have built this story and they spend so much time thinking it that they believe they're there. But the reality is they're making less than thirty thousand a year. They have four roommates and they can't make rent. But they are going out and they're behaving like they're making a million dollars a year. And so they're going and their partying and they're doing bottle service and they're doing all this stuff they are. They get an internal resentment that they aren't getting the respect. Yes, because they believe they've earned it, because they've spend so much time thinking are the dreaming, they at least believe that they will be that person eventually. I think what's it called being a temporarily embarrassed millionaire? Yes, yea and so, and that's where a lot of those people end up fifty and still embarrassed behind Yeah, yeah, because they never got serious about Yeah. It's important to have dreams and have a vision and direction of where you're going. But it's also important to recognize where you are right now and not behave as if you're there and say, okay, how what's what's how do I cross that bridge? I was just thinking that about this the other day. How much time we've done on this episode we got We're about fifty nine minutes ros we gotta wrap this thing I'm suing. Are we almost done with the episode? Yeah? You tell me what you're gonna say. No. I was just thinking about the other day about how no one envisions their future worse than their reality right now, and like everyone just assumes next year, I'll be more fit than I am now, Next year will be better, next year, I'll make more money than I do right now. Ten years from now, I'll be happier than I am right now. And people assume that we will drift into that position, yep and so. But that's the difference is the number of people


The Secret Space Program conspiracy theory is certainly one of the more outlandish ones out there. At its core, it involves the idea that a secret human civilization and space program has operated mostly in secret since the late 1800s. This all traces back to a fictional novel written under a pseudonym by a woman named Maria Orsic in 1871. … Read More

How Cheating Won Him the Biggest Game Show Prize Ever

08-06-24

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Hey, today we're talking about the Press Your Luck Scandal, a guy named Michael Larson who learned how a game show worked and exploited that also gotten into some pretty neat scams. Neat Is that the way you would describe as scams? It's the way I would. Anyways, this is a comedy podcast. We're gonna laugh a whole bunch. There's some serious parts in here, but the majority of this you're gonna learn a little bit. You're gonna laugh, Hopefully you're gonna laugh, or you're just gonna be annoyed with us. Hey, make sure you hit that like subscribe button, hit the bell icon, all this stuff that YouTubers say, and let's check out this episode. Hey man, what's up? Hey? Have you ever heard of Michael Larson? Michael Larson, Michael Larson. You might know him by his other name, Paul Michael Larson, or do you might know him by his other name, which is more of the less of a name, more of what he's known for The Press Your Luck Scandal, Press Your I have heard of him? Have you heard of this? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, game was yeah yeah, yeah, forget about it. I forget that. I'll forget. I'll forget, forget about forget about it. He went like on stage covered in bandages, right, and no one wanted to call him out on it, and they were like, this is normal. Yeah with Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, which is crazy because of the seventies. She was really young at the time. Yes, okay, so what happened? Yeah? So Michael Larson, he this is him. He was born in Lebanon, Ohio, and he was pretty sure. If it's in Ohio they call it Lebanon. Same we would call it Lebanon here in Missouri. I don't think. Yeah, that drives me crazy. I never call it Lebanon. That's wrong in Missouri. We have Lebanon in Nevada. Yeah, both instead of Nevada and infuriate me. Both of them infuriate me. You should talk to someone about the things that make you mad, you know, because sometimes I call you and I go, this is crazy, shouldn't isn't this insane? And you're like, I mean yeah, Like the things that don't make you mad are more concerning whenever you put them next to the stuff that does make you mad. Nevada, Lebanon, the McDonald's, that the Grand Canyon, costing freaking price. It's like the hurricane right now. But what you know, the hurricane and the car warks and the Caribbean right now. Oh sorry, Hurricane Barrel. You mean to make a joke about an actual disaster. There's a hurricane going through the Caribbean right now, and it's about to make landfall in Jamaica. I don't know if this is true. I saw something yesterday. Someone said that they were trying to get their family out of there, and Jet Blue is charging thirty eight thousand dollars for tickets out of Jamaica. Really, yeah, which is infuriating because that's Ruggan the same thing McDonald's was doing the gris. Have I told her I've done the chicken thing on here before. Have I talked about how my mom's got bad ideas? No, my mom, and she listens to this and I don't care, And I've told her she's Actually she started to come around on this too. Though. Is that she she's of the like the libertarian position where it's like we should be able to barter chickens. Oh yeah, you know I'm talking about where she's just like I want if I want to pay the doctor and chickens I should be able to pay the doctor and chickens. And I was like, but the problem is that does do But no, but the doctor asks you how many chickens you've got, and then then you go, I've got ten chickens. The doctor's are great, well I want eight of them. Yeah, and it's like, that's a lot of my chickens. And then she goes, we just go to a different doctor, and I said, yeah, sure, sure, sure. But that doctor called the other doctor and was like, hey, I said eight chickens, so don't undercut me. Well that that doctor was like, hey, I see a patient coming from your doctor's office. What do you think the world is? This is still the current world. I see the patient coming from your doctor's office. Would you happen to know? And this might sound crazy, but I just kind of know how many chickens they have. They got ten, Gray, I'm gonna ask for nine. What'd you ask for? I said eight, but but nine could probably get it at this point. Now, if they come back, I'm gonna say nine. If they give you the nine, give me the extra one as a finder's fee. The so many ideas that exist of people who are just like we should abolish the education system. They don't understand what it means or the idea of people who are like, you know, life was probably better in the eighteen hundred or whatever. Even why New York watching any medieval time pieces whatever, Like we're watching life was not better. We're watching Game of Thrones. Yes, my wife is like at a documentary if we lived in this time, I know, but I'm saying, like it's a it's a good visualization of what the point is that she goes, Oh, if we lived in this kind of time era, I would love to live in a castle like that, Like you wouldn't live in it? No, Yeah, that would suck. You would live in one of the huts. Yeah, where the water runs down the street from the castle. That's where you would live. But also living in the castle versus where we live now. If you live, if you live apartment now, your life is ready to kill you at any point. True. That's also how every single conflict ends. Every time. If you're just out for a walk and you run across strangers, you both have to be like, are we gonna kill each other? That's not the world lives Okay, I'm saying that the world we live in everyone can read in our current society, and a lot of people are like, we should, we should abolish the education department. And You're like, you're not understanding what it would mean to live in a society where everyone is that basic ability to read. Yeah, yeah, what are you talking about? I saw this thing yesterday and I'm curious how you answer this. Would you rather live now at let's say, just the average income today? Okay, is that the average income in the US today? Or would you rather be the richest person on earth? Like? At what point? As being the richest person on earth not be as good as being at the average income? Now? Like, what's the earliest? What's the answer? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what question I'm asking right now? If I'm not as lived in the seventeen hundreds and you were the richest person on earth, Yeah, right, that's a different lifestyle than being the richest person on earth now, Yes, absolutely, yes, because in eighteen seventy yeah right, ninety three percent of the world lived in extreme poverty. Okay, now that number is less than eight percent. Yes, so we have we've literally flipped the scale on this. Yes, But prior to eighteen seventy with all the technological advances, the Industrial Revolution, all the stuff that has happened to our world, you know, the connected world that we live in now, the lifestyle that you can live. Obviously, rich people live in sane lifestyles, right, but they still have an iPhone. I have an iPhone. The phone that Jeff Bezos has is not better than my phone. Well it's not, though, the tax in it is. Do you think it is. Do you think he's got a better a secret Amazon phone that they haven't released yet. Oh? Sure, kidding, But I got an iPhone? Ye, yeah, you know. And so there are those kind of like small luxuries that are pretty equal across the red Yes, okay, being the richest person in the seventeen hundreds meant that you might have might have a little bit more food, yeah, yeah, you know, yes, and like air conditioning didn't exist still, yeah yeah. And it was also determined by the number of people that you owned. And there were different elements of being the REI So Rockefeller, how much money Rockefeller had adjusted for inflation or like that, how much he actually had. I don't know how much one hundred million dollars billionaires did not exist then, but he was the richest person in the world. His his his wealth was I forgue which person is the DP was but insane. But I'm saying prior to eighteen seventy ninety percent of the world living in extreme poverty meant that there really was like the one percenters were in like everything that you can say, all of our founding fathers, the leaders that we that formed our country were all the elites of the elites of the elites. And now I guess I try to think of that stuff because I'm trying to be more grateful for what I do have instead of because we do live in a consumer society where it's just like everything you see on TikTok is you're not content. Well, I mean, did you listen to the was was It? Podcast where they were talking about it was the British guy in Propertyes podcast, whatever his name is, but they were talking about how more and more people are not buying homes and housing is a thing that most people, if you polled most millennials and Gen Z, they would say that's something they may never get to half right. But the top reality shows on Netflix are the luxury Realtors. Yes and so seeing the wealth gap that exists there is pretty crazy, but it's still the wealth gap that exists now is still hugely, vastly, incomprehensibly different, yes, than it was in the eighteen hundreds, And I think that that fact is something that a lot of people are just like, you know, I'm trying to be more grateful that when I go to sleep at night, I have an air conditioner that I can run all night. It's going to cost me an extra twelve cents to run it. Yeah, you know, it is pretty interesting in our society, the way it's set up. Like I think back to evangel when I lived in the dorm and I had one half of a small room was mine and I was pretty content with that. And now I bought a house and honestly, probably three months later, I was like, ah, man, I wish we had another room. I thought that today when I was driving to get breakfast, I was like, you know what I miss how big my apartment was in Kansas City, Yeah, which it wasn't huge. Yeah, but now where we're at now, it's like, man, if I just had like a little bit extra space, you so quickly adjust art yeah, and you want more and so that is That's what I'm saying when like there's this consumer demon that has land. Okay, you know, you know, I don't want to call like a spirit, but like something that has Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying all of us, Yeah, the desire for And a large part of that is I really did like the Book of Slashing towards Utopia. So much of that was the progress that happened between eighteen seventy uh and then it because that book goes like, decade by decade, how we got here. I think you're right, it's definitely read the rate of progress that existed. But in the last one hundred and fifty years, we as people got conditioned to believe that that rate of progress just normal, is normal, and in fact that it's going to speed up, it's going to continue to grow faster, and we'll go, yeah, this is this is what humans do. Where it's like, actually, the fact is that humans have not done that ever, for every part of existence, except for the part that we forgot back before the Egyptians got conquered and then went moved to actual Egypt and restarted. Is this a correct timeline that the Pyramids for the Roman Empire. The Pyramids were older to the Romans than the Romans are to us. Yes, yeah, that's pretty That's what I'm saying. That rate of technological advancement to then get to the nineteen hundreds, the nineteen hundreds is the most insane century that has existed for Americans, for humans humans period. Yeah. Wild Yeah, So we cannot we cannot comprehend end we went from cars not existing to people arguing whether or not we pants on horses in just fifty years for real though, And that is where a lot of this stuff I just go, like, you know, when people are arguing online, I go cut up, like when when we look at the big picture here, Yeah, it's less it's just stupid anyways. So my question was would I would rather normal income now than to be the richest person? The question is the question is what is the oldest year in history, Like how far back would you go to where you'd be, like, I'd rather be the richest person in the world at that year. That could be the averages person through the fifties and sixties. That'd be pretty tight. Nineteen fifties the first year you would rather be the richest person alive than be an average person today. No, No, what's the first year you would be the richest person. I'm trying to think of when the average income was Like fine, I mean, but I'm mom. Also, we're answering this as two straight white males, so I feel like, yeah, that's still a bit different for the context that is. Yeah, that's also fair probably the two thousand and eight financial cris Yeah for me, it's nineteen oh two. Nineteen oh two, Yeah, why that was the year air conditioning wasn't mented. I want I want to go before. That's what I'm thinking. I wouldn't want to live. But I also like like cars, like driving, Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean they had the model T then you can model t it up. Sure, but I hear those breakdown lot. But I'm saying that again, and I'm it wouldn't matter if you were the richest person in the world if the rest of society is truly like desolate. Yeah you know, yeah, And so I think that because what are you buy in? What do you got to buy? You're spending your money? Do we have to buy at that point? Right? Yeah? Where's all the steak where's all the what, where's all the steak, I'm so rich. There's no steak saying that the luxury life they were living was not very luxury compared to today's state, today's luxury. That's the question. That's the question is like, at what point do you feel like it would be worth not having the average life today? Right? Right? I mean, like, you know, we've stayed at some really nice hotels before, and it would be nice to be very, very wealthy. Well duh, yeah, yeah, there's always you can be the wealthiest person anytime and have a better life than what most people are living at that time. But I do agree that I don't know. I think I think if you go before easily, I think easily you go before eighteen fifty and you're the richest person in the world, your life today as an average person is better than the richest person in eighteen fifty and behind. That's interesting. Yes, I would, I would say yeah, because there's no air conditioning, and then there's less fear even as the richest person. Yes, And so I was going to say indoor plumbing, all that stuff, it's actually just general security. Yeah, Because again what I've said is that before is if you are the richest person, people are coming. Everyone's trying to kill you, even your own family, right. Yeah, and like, uh, rich people used to just have piles of gold and they could just come to your house and they can kill you. And literally they can't take my offshore accounts. Yeah for many people who can do that as Sweden. Uh. Anyways, you got to talk about this. That's why I don't ride the matterhorn ride at Disney Money. Dude, Oh you're friend. Yeah yeah, I thought, okay, that makes more sense for my money. In the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like, hey, sign up for grammarly and use code tilling, and we got like fifteen cents. And now we just do Patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators, it's better for you as listeners, and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on Zoom. We just hang out and play games online and uh and get know each other. It's a really fun time. So, but do you still use our code tilling at grammarly dot com because I think it's still we might get like a couple of cents from that, But join us on Patrion because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're gonna have to start doing mobile game ads. Okay, So Larsen, Michael Larson, Paul Michael Larson sometimes goes by, normally goes by Michael Larson. He he was a guy who he was here's the thing. Born in Lebanon, Ohio. That's how we got here. Cow. Sorry, So he was a guy who had his life gone a little different, we would look back on the story I'm about to tell you and say, wow, he was a mogul from the start, but because of the way his life went, you're gonna be like, he kind of sucked from the start. Interesting. So at an early age, he always was running in to just different opportunities to try to make a buck. And so for example, when he was a kid, he would buy candy bars and mark him up an extra dollar and sell it to all the kids in his neighborhood. And he was an entrepreneur. He was the entrepreneur. That's what I'm saying is, had his life turned out a little different, people would be like he was always destined to be a successful person, but because his life turned out the way it turned out, everyone's like he was always destined to be a trash back. We'll find out where I end up. We still got a lot of time. So he graduates high school, goes through his life in the eighties. He's working by day, he's repairing AC units and on the weekends. On the weekends, he's an ice cream truck driver, and he spends all of his free time in his living room doing his favorite passage. I talked about my ice cream truck driver on here before might talked about and they drove my ice cream drunk. I'm pretty sure because I'm pretty sure I told this story about my parents. Ice cream truck driver. Oh yeah, he would pull people over and stuff. That's right, Yeah, what was your I didn't have a thumb. Oh that's right, it was Mario. Yeah, yeah. And he would have a different story about how he lost his thumb every time, every time he brought it up, because he didn't remember. You're a kid, you bring it up, your kid, You go, Mario, Mario, your thumb. I put it in. One day, I would be at my house and he hit he hit my neighborhood in the morning, and then we would go to Grandma's house. That afternoon and he would have made it across town. Yeah, and you'd be like, I could go see Marios and he'd ask him about the thumb the second time, the same thing, different story, terrifying song. Sure. So he would spend the rest of his time doing his favorite past time, which was a little insane. This is the eighties, okay. Okay, TV's are not what we think they are today. Picture of TV today. They're super flat and yeah, like thousand and four give game and towards it, they were huge. You went to like a friend's basement and they had that massive TV and the speaker was as big as the screen below it. Yeah, why and you turn it to one hundred, it's still quieter than our to the speaker watching insane. Yeah. So, uh, he doesn't have those. He's got like eighties tube TVs, right, sure, but he's got a wall of fifteen of them stacked on top of each other in his living room. And what he would do in his free time. He had fifteen tube TVs, five three rows of five, and he stacked him up on top of each other. So he had fifteen TVs. Okay, And he'd get home from his shift of ice cream diving. You go on a date and he's like, let me cook your dinner in my house. And so you, as a woman, walk into that living room. Do you a what? I think? Wow, this guy's a psychopath. Last that you would stay, you know, like, how long until you go? I'm out of here. I'm out of here. So what he would do is he would come home from a shift of ice cream trucking. Ice wrote, ice cream truckers. You a TV? Yeah, I got a couple. Wait a minute, I got some, And then he made his way to Richmond, Virginia. So he he'd come home from his ice cream truck shift, turn on all fifteen TVs. This is him, you turn all fifteen TVs. I'm with you. And he turned on all the fifteen TVs to different game shows, and he would watch all fifteen and he would study them for strategies that he could easily exploit. And you just sit there and watch, and then one day he found his victim. Press your luck. There's a game show in the eighties, and the concept of the game show, like many other game shows, that started with trivia, and there would be there would be a series of trivia questions and each trivia question you got right, you would earn three spins on the press your luck board that would come and face be of the game. Okay, and so you and the contestants, so you got to know the trivia, Yeah, you and the contestant would answer trivia questions and then all of you would earn your spins for your right answers at least three if you won, or I guess at least zero. But if you got at least one question right, you'd have to spins. To be clear, though, before we get to this, he's spending his evenings. He's an ice cream truck driver. Yeah, who's then going home? It's dark, Yeah, you know the TV glow scene. He's just sitting there, probably a pint of ice cream and just you're not exaggerating it up. He's watching fifteen tube TVs. So his head is on a swivel. He's doing have you seen the the what's that lifeguarding technique called have you seen that where people think of people think they're robots, dude, where they're doing the whole like it's the craziest thing in the world. The way they're moving their head. They look like birds. Birds are lifeguards. So and then so you'd answer all your questions, every one you got right. You get three spins on the board and the board looks like this, and what would happen is the board would spin and they would light up, but you don't see like it doesn't show you what each of those categories are before you hit them. They just have the icon on it. So this is a flipped board. It shows you everything on the board. Oh okay, cooky. But so then it lights up and you have a button and when you push the button, it stops. It's a spinner and whatever you land on is your prize. And so there's a lot of cash prizes fifteen hundred, five hundred dollars, and then there are like go back two spaces, so you get whatever was two spaces before. There's trips. There is often like cars or appliances. Yeah, I was like Australia, there, Jamaica. And then there's these little demons. Yeah, and they call that the whammy and this is the whammy. And what Whammy did is Whammy took all of your money. And so some of the whammies looked different, they all had different animations. But whenever you got the Whammy, he would show up on screen like this and whammy all your cash. Well, however much you won, he took all of your prizes away. Okay, little mister whammy. They're like little bowling animations kind of Yeah. Everyone looks so sad. Yeah, because you because you you lost it all. At any point you could hit a wammy and lose everything you've got before. Sure. And so he's watching this this game, and he's pretty good at trivia. He watches a lot of game shows fifteen a night to be precise. Uh, and so he's pretty good at trivia. He knows a lot of trivia. It's like, I feel pretty confident I can get fifteen different channels happening. I don't know if there are different channels. I think he had VCRs and he was recording programs and thank you for counting in your head to make sure you do all fifteen. It's pretty annoying. Stop stop stop. I didn't rewind him. I didn't rewind that one. You got fast forward to the commercials. So he he want he studies this game and he's like, he's like, I'm pretty good at trivia. I think I can get every question right and get a lot of spins. He's that the question is how good can I spin? So he's watching these this thing go around, and everybody believed that where these prices ended up was random, and but he realizes there was five patterns of where they would place different prizes, and they would alternate throughout the game. And so if then when the game starts, he could pick up what pattern he was on and know exactly what square does stop on to get the highest price. And so he basically figured out that in any given pattern, square four and square eight were always large cash prizes. Okay, so he said, if I can land on square four or land on square eight, then I win. He also identified where the whammis always land and so he knows exactly where the wammies always are. He knows what to avoid, and he says the only the hardest thing is getting used to the rate to hit that button, to figure out the timing of that button. But he really believes, He's like, he's like, I know where this is going to be. I think I can do good at this. And so he spends his entire savings to get a bus ticket from Lebanon, Ohio. His whole savings was worth a bus let's just start there. First of all, it's not any bus tickets. A bus ticket from Ohio to Burbank. So, I don't know, this is the eighties. Fifty bucks, I don't know. I don't know how much it costs to ride a bus and how much it costs a fly. Yeah in the eighties though. Anyway, So he rides this bus from Lebanon, Ohio thirty eight thousand dollars. I said, because their price, GOUG is get back to Kansas City. They know that this podcast exists, and they're like, oh man, they're filming the next big thing. So support is on page. They're ten years into filming the next bab. So he gets out there, and he had two issues once he got to town. Okay, one, he didn't have any clothes that were television ready appropriate. I don't know, the chest cut out you worry about. You had to buy a suit. Yeah, so he had to buy a suit, but he didn't have a lot of money. Everyone in the eighties wore suits on game shows. Yeah, you had to look nice. And so he went to thrist store in Los Angeles and he managed to get a dress shirt for sixty five cents, which is equivalent to a dollar ninety one and twenty twenty three, So inflation didn't hit the thrust store's shirt market very hard. Sure, and so he gets out dress shirt and now he has to get on the show, Like that's the thing. You don't just show up and they're like, yeah, welcome, you be on the show. You have to ear in it. And so so he shows up. You gonna sing for three judges and get a gold ticket? What are you talking about, mayor? I'm going to press your luck. Let's see what you got. Let's see what you're made of. Oh, put some pants on that horse, and I will not taller rate the newded iceo here in all the USA. Oh pants, And they're like, all right, go ahead, Like I didn't know you were part of the society. You should have said something else. You could be on my Oh no, they're saluted. Oh oh, so he uh he shows up to the like auditions, and the auditions were basically are you a personality? Yeah? Yeah, I mean they're kind of aren't are you personally? But it was more of like what's your story? Can we craft your story? And so he tells them I'm an ice cream truck driver from all I I spent the last of my money getting to LA and buying this shirt. And they were like, it's a great story, back of the SOB story we need, And so they put him on the show. People needn't know how poor you are? Is that okay for us as hell? So they put him on the show and they tell his story. Here he is in his sixty five cent shirt. Yeah, how old is he in this the time he's doing this? I you know, that's an interesting question. I think he would have been in his early thirties. That's what I was. That's what Google What year he's born? He was born in forty ninety nine. What year is this? This is eighty three November, thirty four years old. Just so people can know we're prety, we're thirty. This man is thirty thirty four years old. Dang, the next forty years are going to be rough, bro, If anything like your last Yeah, this is what you look like at thirty four, if you spend every night watching fifteen TVs and eating a PI device like a thirty four. If I didn't, I didn't look like he mentally abused in a relationship ten years ago. So see, bullying is good I got emotionally abused into losing a hundred pounds. I'm very happy on my marriage now. Oh my gosh, that's incredible. So the way this game worked, it was kind of like Jeopardy. There was always two new contestants in the returning Champion, and so he's in the middle. He's standing in the middle, and to his left is the returning Champion. Ed Long, who lives in California, got an advantage to have to drive very long. He's a Baptist minister. On his left is Janny Lee tres This is her first appearance. She's a dental assistant. This is her first time and the first question and has been on before. Ed's been on. Yeah, he's the reigning champion. And to put it in perspective, like Jeopardy, where you can get you if you win, you go on to the next game over there kind of perpetually until you lose. And to put it in perspective before we get too far into this, the average winner on this show walked away with about fourteen thousand dollars in prizes between cash and like, appliances and travel, about fourteen thousand dollars value, which adjusted for inflation today is about forty grand today, so like a pretty big like sizable winning on average on this show. And so in this first question round he gets a question correct, so he gets three spins. And so this is his first time out. He's trying to learn the rate, and he knows right off the bat. He says, I need to avoid square seventeen, and I think it was square two because he knows that in this round with the pattern, those are going to be the the whammys. Well, he nails square seventeen, gets the whammy first round, and this this is his actual genuine reaction to that they're pulling a fast one up. But I know this route better than I know my ice cream truck route, and I know that they're playing a little game. They're playing a little gamy with me. I bought this shirt sixty five cents. Uh, so we're not going to get anything past this thirty four years of experience. So luckily his first spin was a whammy, and so he didn't lose anything. He just lost the spin. But he's frustrated about it, but he knew now he's like, he's like, okay, I think I got an idea of like the touch and so he hits his second two spins. His second spin he lands on square four and then his or no, he lands on the square for the next two spins, which get him a total twenty five hundred dollars equivalent to seventy three hundred and today today. Sure, and so a pretty decent first round. Out second round he does a lot better than the trivia and he lands himself seven initial spins. It's a good a good round. And so he started in last place on this round because he had that whammy. So the other two people are ahead of him coming into this this next round, and at twenty five hundred, he's in last place. They're ahead of him. He comes into this second round with seven spins. And here's the way the game works. There's also certain on the second places. One spin, Yeah, where you get cash, you also get another spin, right, And so he knows those are like like we talked about before, hit those four and eight you can get not only cash, but you also get spins. Sure, And so he goes and he gets seven spins, and throughout the course of those seven spins, he gets fifteen additional spins. Okay, so he's now at a point where he's got twenty five spins so far on the game, and uh, he's landing. The video of him doing this, by the way, I've seen the video is pretty fun to watch because he collaps like a psychopath. He hits it and he goes, yeah he does. He does thirty four and has nothing else to live for. Yeah, this is this is it. Remember, this is this is what thirty looks like years old. Okay, So he's going and he's nailing these spins. If you're listening to this, by the way, and you're thirty four, he looks like you up until uh uh spins sixteen sixteenth spin. He's a little all over the place. He hasn't quite dialed it, and so he's hitting four and eight a lot. But he also manages to hit six once, which got him twenty two hundred dollars, So that was a decent one. He hit seven twice, and through those two seven number seven boards he got twenty six hundred. He hit seventeen that first time was a whammy, but in the second round, seventeen is no longer a whammy, and so's two. He hit two more times and ends up getting thirty three hundred. Dollars from the whammys and so by six spin six seventeen from seventeen yeah, and then at spin sixteen he then goes on a run of twenty nine additional spins, and on those twenty nine additional spins, the only two numbers he hits his four and eight, which are the two highest number. Like prizes, you can think the producers are watching, they are losing their mind. They are in the they are in the truck and they are yelling at their like, hey, hey, kill him, pull the gun. This is why we have the gun on set, going out and shoot him right now. That is for this shoot dis man. There's an assassin on set. Oh no, people are fainting. Everyone's getting out here. Great television. And so he goes on this run and he essentially gets the point where he spends forty five times, and at this point they're not letting him on the next That's what I'm saying. They're not like, you know what you won? Yeah, you get to come back tomorrow. Hey, if you're enjoying this episode, a great way you can help us out as by sharing it. Send it to your friends. Click that share link, send them the link and say Hey, this is a little show that I watched sometimes, and I think you might like to watch sometimes and your friends will say this is weird, but it's okay. There'll eventually start laughing at it. I think maybe it depends what kind of friends you have. If you have someone, I hope you do, this is a great way to help. He's at this point obliterating his opponents, like literating his opponents. So at this point, here's where he's at. This is right before his sin, this is right after spin forty five he hits it. And this is the totals of the game. One hundred and two thousand. Yeah, and so which is how much today, adjusted for inflation today, that one hundred and two thousand is equivalent to three hundred and one thousand, six hundred and thirty five dollars in today's cash. And so to his left Ed has four thousand and eighty and to his right, Janas has forty six hundred, and he has one hundred and two thousand. And if you're listening, this picture, this picture is perfetible. Ed is Ed thinks hilarious. Ed is like laughing in his face. He's a little annoyed. Janice is is fury is so angry, so mad, because I want you to think, for a second, we're in this game show. We did a round of questions. We did a round where everyone got five or six spins, and now we did a round a question standing there and then you just stood there and watched this guy spind forty five times and he just keeps getting more spins. Uh. And so after this round he wins, he wins it. He's celebrating the hands out like this, and how does it end? I mean, if you're hitting over and over, the idea is that you don't. That's the idea is eventually you run out of spins, is the rules of the game. But it's like, you keep going until you run out of spins. And so I'm saying, how did he run out of spins? Well, here's what happened. So he gets to this forty he spins forty five spins, and he in an interview afterwards, he says, I remember that moment. I was just so drained and I realized I forgot where the whammys were. And he's like, I'm looking at the board and he's like, I don't know where the whammys are and so there was an option in the game where you could pass your spins along if you didn't want to risk anymore because because because for a normal player who doesn't know where the wammis are, you at any time are risking that you're going to hit a raammy, and so you could pass it along. And so he says, I figured I would pass my spins over to the other boarder players, and so they both got his remaining spins, and so each of them get the remaining Edlong's first spin hits a whammy, back to zero. Janie gets a couple spins, and so it bounces to Janis. Now Janis has a couple spins, up hits a couple, and then on the last spin that she inherited from him, she hits a whimmy. Both of them walked away with a zero, and he walked away with one hundred and two thousand dollars adjusted for three hundred and one thousand dollars in today's cash. So you know, the producers are like, he's done, He's done. You're exactly right. The producers are losing their mind. They like, the network heard about this, and the network's now on the phone. They heard about it. Yeah, the networks on the phone with the producers and they're like trying to figure out. They're like looking through the rules, they're like, how can we make it to where we don't have to give this guy with killing and so they makeus we don't have to pay him, Yeah, because they don't want to give him that much money because that's a lot of money for the show. That's a lot. That's the way of a higher budget for the season. Yeah, that's it. I mean that is basically eight shows worth of eight episodes worth of prizes that they did in one day. And so they spent a long time looking over the footage, looking over the rules to try to figure out, well, there's nothing he did technically wrong. What they started to figure out is they saw that he hit four and eight over and over again, and they were like, there's no way someone knew. Yeah, but that's on them for not making it actually random in court. I don't think that holds up. So they knew they said something's up because he could just keeps hitting four and eight. He knows to hit sequence. But that's still on you, like something's up. So they watched, they watched this religiously. They went to his house. They put the tape on his fifteen TVs and they stood there watching all fifty They said, thanks for having all these fifty TVs, thanks for having us over. We've got fifteen tapes we want to show you, and it's just uh. So they watched the tape over and over, and what they realize is that he squence. Well, what they realize is that there he was reacting a split second early, so before he would know he was reacting, and so that he knows what's coming up because he's reacting before we reveal what's happening, figured out the sequence. Yeah, And so they tried to use that to not pay him, but they went to the legal department, and the legal department was like, that doesn't that's not cheating, that's not he's not there's nothing in the rules that says you can't learn the order that the thing goes. And so you still are like, you still have to pay him, right, And so he ends up getting paid. He owes thirty thousand in taxes on this on these winnings, but still walks away with seventy grand in the nineteen eighties, and so he goes on from there, moves back to Ohio. He invests half of it in a real estate venture that turns out to be a Ponzi scheme, loses all of that and then Bitcoin, and then he learns on the radio that there was a the Sweet Stakes that the radio station was doing where every day they were going to read out a dollar bill the serial number on a dollar bill. If your dollar bill matched, then they were going to give away half a million dollars thirty. He took all of his cash out of the bank. Yeah, he took all the cash out of his bank and left it in his house and would check those every morning on a serial number. And someone found out about it and robbed him and took all the cash. Uh. The theory because you can't have your tangible money. That's wild that we say, yeah, I know, I can't have your tangible money in your in your house thirty thousand cash and the leading theory it's never been like actually connected, but the leading theory. He was dating a girl at the time, they were actually living together, and they went out for a date. The money went missing. A week later, she breaks up and never see sure. So everyone's like, yeah, she's still have fifteen TVs and thirty thousand dollars in your bathtub every day he's in the bathtub, like looking at all the serial numbers. This is That's the stupidest thing I've ever like, that's so dumb. Yeah, like just you have thirty thirds, Like this is what I'm saying. Okay, here's what I'm saying. If I had thirty thousand dollars, Yes, we could turn that into more money. Yes, okay, yes could We're not dumb. Yes. The fact that you would pull it out in cash and try to win a sweepstakes, yeah, it's just like yeah, okay, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Uh So from there stresses me out. What are you doing? Just buy don't don't get a robin Hood account, don't try to buy a hot stock. Just put some of it in a high yield savings accounts so you have access to it and then put the rest in some index funds and grow it. And like, could you look up if you invested thirty thousand dollars in nineteen eighty five, how much that would be worth now you were in type A little harder? Thank you. Let's see if this is actually gonna calculate. Okay, cool? Are you on how many seven thirty sevens dot com. So thirty thousand invested in nineteen eighty five. If you put it in MA S and P and just let it sit in the SMP, it's worth two point one today two point one dollars. That's pretty crazy. No, but that's what I'm saying. It is just like, oh, it's hey. I don't know if it's the unnamed energy drink that refuses to sponsor me or the stress of the situation, but it's given me heart palpitations, that's for sure. So after that, after he lost his money, yeah, he became a job, or he became a job. He started working at Walmart and climbed the ranks to assistant manager. I worked there for a few years and then imagine losing Oh my gosh. Anyway, and then he got into a really exciting new business and he actually got to the point where he had fourteen thousands. I like portfolios with the dollar bill. How are you reading the serial numbers? You got him like a Pokemon card. He's got like a freaking finder just want to say, a freeing binder. He's like, okay, let's see. Uh came imagine reading thirty thousand serial numbers every day. That's crazy. I don't think he did. They had to be like because he got them all one time. They're like, you know, sequence like so he has like duct tape on it that's written like, well, I didn't even know what a serial and I'm around a dollar bill is? Do you have a dollar bill? I haven't looked at a dollar bill since I was twelve. I haven't. I haven't had many cash and years. I got them all my offshore accounts an Apple page. So he gets into uh, he gets into a new business and so this is like uh ninety the early nineties, early nineties. He gets into a new business while he's the assistant manager at Walmart, and he ends up selling all of his shares in this business, which was an mlmuh and he sold out one point eight million dollars of his shares in this MLM and he pulled it all out cash. He has heard as she heard about this seemstakes. Now he joined an MLM. He joined an MLM, and he actually had shares. Yeah, he made one point eight out of this one point eight million dollars out of the MLM was adjusted for inflation, it's three point six million today, I don't know what MLM it was actually, but it was enough for the FBI, the IRS, the Security and Exchange Commission all to say, excuse me, what CA And so they charged him with fraud uh and UH stealing. Okay, because because he scammed fourteen thousand investors to get into this MLM. I don't know if he came up with it or if it was a big name MLM. There's fourteen thousand people who got in on it, and he cashed out one point eight million dollars from it something. How do you cash out shares of an MLM. That's where I'm saying. I don't know what his involvement was in the CMLM. I just know that the FBI was like, you may one point eight million dollars doing something illegal, and so they came after him and he ran to a Popka, Florida, where he hit out for forty years and they did not find him. He ended up dying there in ninety years. Yeah, he spent four years in Apopka, Florida, with basically two million dollars. He died in ninety nine. He died in ninety nineties. Yeah, he died of throat cancer in ninety nine and there was an interview where there was an article that was put out about him in twenty eleven kind of telling his story, and they said his impressive performance on Press Your Luck may be one of the only honest days of work that Michael RS had ever did. So, yeah, he had I read my eulogy this morning. I did you know the thing that Yeah, yeah, the journal and I didn't I didn't put it in there about the MLM you're gonna do. Yeah, I hope that I live a life that at my funeral people aren't like, yeah, I mean the podcast was the only real thing he did real on his day of work he ever did. Yeah, but who knows, we got so much time to figure out who has so much time left to fraud artists to get scammy? So yeah, so he he had this this really high moment in the eighties, winning Pressure Luck. Yeah, they ended up having to release that episode in two parts. Was too long for a single episode, and they actually they after they aired that episode, they went to the network and they said, never rerun that, never rerun that. That's the only time that will ever air, And they actually negotiated when that went on to streaming services and stuff like that years later, and when that went to like TV Land, any other network, it was part of the contract, you cannot play this episode. This episode is not included in this package. Didn't want anyone to know that it was possible, and so they actually reworked the board after that. They made it signal sgnificantly harder, like there was now instead of five patterns, there's like forty, and so it's much significantly harder to pick up on the pattern and the patterns were a little bit more randomized, but not more randomized. And he actually called the game show and I'm he called the Game show years later and he said, hey, he's like, I figured it out. Yeah, that's what he said. He said, he said, bring your champion. He said, let's do a tournament of champions. It's me Michael Larson. And like you hear like coffee cups drop in TV Land and they go, they've got it on speaker, they got his picture on the every phone's on TV and they're like, Michael Zychael. I haven't heard that name. They're all they're all thirty eight, So they sound like that. I haven't heard that name years because because they're angent yeah. Yeah. That's another thing about being rich though in nineteen oh two is that if you get sick, you got your dead. Mean, I think medicine is also pretty new, a pretty big factory in what Yeah, that's your point anyway, maybe we should figure out what years the best to be the richest. Anyway, But yes, so he called back and he was like, He's like, let's do a tournament of champions. You get your best best ever to play this game, and I'll play them. I'll beat them. I can learn your I learned your your your patterns. I can still win. And they're like, no, thank you, we don't we don't want to see it. We don't trust that. We don't believe you. And so they, I mean, they do believe you. That's why in two thousand and five the show wasn't running anymore. But in two thousand and five CBS did a special broadcast where they recreated the set and they brought on two of the best people that ever played the game. And two thousand and five, he had been dead for six years. They brought his brother showed up. They were like, what he's like the over exaggerated. They walk up, they walk up the two champions are like two of the best people that ever played. And then lastly our final guest, and then it was the undertaker of the he'd been buried in the cell and that's because the Sorry but no, they got his brother. They had his brother come and be him, but he wasn't as good. He wasn't anywhere near. Yeah, his brother lost contact with him decades ago because he got in all the scam stuff and his brother's family. I came into thirty thousand dollars and I turned that into two point eight million dollars. Oh I did was invest in SMP. Turns out that's all you needed to do. That all you need to do is put your money somewhere and forget about it. But not in your house. Don't don't forget it in your house unless you tell me about it. So that's a story of Michael Larson and how he he He had that was the biggest single winning on a game show in game show history and was a record until the late nineties when it was broken by someone on prices right, and then a few years later someone broke down on the prices right again, but adjusted for inflation, it's still far more because in the late nineties. I think the winning was like one hundred and forty thousand, and then then one after that was like one hundred and seventy thousand. But both of those, because there's so much more recent you adjusted for inflation, is not even close. Sure, he by far in terms of like actual buying power of his winnings is still It's pretty wild to me that Big Brother in the past couple of years was like, now it's seven hundred and fifty thousands, Just jump to a million, just take it all away twenty twenty four to go there, Yeah, jump to a million. Yeah. So, but also, let me be clearer for casting. I would do it if there was no money involved. Yeah, just so you guys, I would do it if you took seven hundred thousand dollars from me. Hey, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to play Big Brother. Do you understand? Do you understand? I just I love the idea. I learned your patterns. I know that I love the idea of you getting on Big Brother and winning, and I paid the plan finale night, I go to I gotta put this in the ATM right now before the recess. On finale night, the producers are sign that clip and they roll that clip and finale I'm coming after and they're like, this is legally said. You said, you said you'd pay. That's something those producers would do. They're vicious. They they're so and that's why I want to do It's so bad. I love them. So I I watch Big Brother for the producers. Yeah, starts in next. It's got to be starting soon. It's the seventeenth. Really, I haven't heard anything about it. It starts in like that's exciting, I mean not from now. It is probably middle You can join our discoord. We have a we have a channel where we talking about Big Brother. But anyway, Yeah, I love toilers and real stuff. So I love real life. I'm such a fair it's so high on real I love real life anyway. Yeah, so that's Michael Larson Paul. Michael Larson was the biggest winner and maybe the biggest so shout out to him. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, you might like Stephan Mendel. It's an episode we did a couple of years ago about a guy who figured out the math to lotteries and just one over and over again. It is a wild story. You got to check that out. And if you want to see next week's episode right now, you can do that by becoming a Patreon supporter, and you can do that at tillin dot com slash support, or just become a subscriber and then you can see every episode as soon as they come out. We have so many past episodes. You can dive down the deep dive. 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In the 1980s, Michael Larson became an overnight celebrity when he appeared on the game show Press Your Luck and set the record for the biggest single-day winnings in game show history. Larson, an ice cream truck driver from Ohio, didn’t become the king of Press Your Luck by chance. He had carefully studied the patterns of the game board … Read More

Animals Should Wear Pants and SINA Was Started to Make Them

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Episode Transcription

Hey, this week's episode is about the Society of Indecency to Naked Animals. It's kind of what you think it is. It's a whole group of people who are like, we should put pants on these things because it's really rude that they're nude. So we're a comedy podcast. We learn something every week, so there's a bunch of episode you can go listen to. But this week is about the society and then all the things that came with it, and especially about the creator. We learn about the other things and other movements that he did. So if your first time here, thanks for being here. If it's not your first time, share the episode, tell somebody about our dang show, cause we're having a good time doing it. Let's get to the episode. Hey, man, what's up? Have you heard of the Society for Indecency to Naked Animals? Society for Indecency to Naked Animals? Sina for sure, s ion Anxiety for Indecency to Naked Animals? Okay, so it's indecency to naked animals, that's what it is. Yeah, is this is either one this is one of two ways. This is either a group of people who's like, uh, all these animals are naked and they shouldn't be and they're running around me, and like it's offensive that your your dog's not covered up. And also crazy Frog, crazy frog is freaking naked dude, all this time naked naked Alex, did you know that it's insane? Do a quick Google image for crazy Frog. The first thing that pops up now that you know is naked. You'll see it pretty immediately. And I don't understand how we didn't like that crazy Frog was all over the place nudey and he that was again just great moment for people who never the Star podcast to us, just crazy frog, crazy frogs naked dude. All right. So this is either that's really mad that all these animals are out here just newdon or because it's indecency to animals. It's a group of people who's like, we we want to be naked around animal. They shouldn't be the only one, like they're just an animal, and they are getting after zoo, after zoo, that's the only two. They're looking at the gorilla closure. They're just like, I better take my pants off. I guess let's clothe every animal, whether dog, cat, horse, or cow too. Why put some pants on that things I learned last night? Did you cut me mid shirt? Thing? And then just the theme song it so uh, you were right. It is the first one. It's a political action group from the late fifties early sixties that had an issue with naked animals being out in public just anywhere out in the world. Here is They put out a record with kind of like like there's a couple of things on the record. The main thing is like their political discord lectures. Yeah, vinyl record, and so it's like lectures on what may believe you pour a good glass of Merlow and you okay, that's really good. Crazy Frog is nude, and not enough people are talking about it. He's got a cover up put pants on that, Like why okay, Yeah, that's a lot of work to play. It's not a lot of work to play a vinyl, but it's it's an effort to play a vinyl. And it's like, here's what I think we should do with those immigrants. And then that was one side to flip it. Have to flip the record to see what the rest of this is. We should give them housing and and you're like, oh, okay, that's not what I thought. I thought that was going a different direct. I seen you that video the other day right of the most like golf club looking guy. He didn't look at the golf club. He looks like it looks like a little gold like a polo wearing this rich looking white kid. And the video starts with what's my thoughts on immigrants? And it's like a man on the street interview, And I was like, why is this on my feeds? But then the rest of the video was like real find for everything and all that I do remember this. Yeah, I was like, WHOA well, different direction. So the record, the record they put out was like half lectures of like here's why, here's our beliefs and why we believe them and why you should believe them. And then the other half of it was like some songs that they wrote, which we're gonna spend some time on that in a little bit. But here's this record if you're listening, it's a record that's with shorts on. They're like basketball shorts. A confidential report on the activities of society for indecency to naked animals. Okay, here's another. This is like a bit though, this is like the this is like the birds aren't real. Guy, I don't right, I mean, the birds aren't real. Guy, Like this is such an absurd thing. Maybe I don't know, this is a real political action group. Here's another I'm saying it, but like if you look at the birds aren't real. There's people who were like, there's nothing other than the idea that it's funny, and like they know it's a joke. Would would be. There's nothing written anywhere. It's like by the way we're we're getting around, you know, Yeah, I mean there's no Here's another campaign poster they got. This one's just for decency. Uh. They really were focused on the horses. They wasn't horses. Here's one with their founder with a deer, a baby deer, and he's got I think it. I don't even think those are shorts. I'm pretty sure that's just a towel. He just wrapped it up in a towel. So here's the here's the story. Here's here's the story. They this was founded by two guys. Their founder who went by the name and by went by the name his name was he went by g. Clifford Prout Junior, and then his co founder. No, that does sound like a prude name G Clifford g Clifford Prout Drout Junior. Yeah, and then his co founder Bruce Spencer, so that this is g Clifford Prout Junior with the deer. Okay, and this is what was when I say Bruce Spencer, this is Bruce Spencer trying to put pants on a bear. Just so we can get ahead of the story. Uh so these people you smoked a pipe before. It's very difficult to do. I had like a bubble gum pipe when I was a kid. Is that the same thing? It's uh, I want I wanted to look like an author. I wanted to that is a pretty author thing to do. I wanted to look like a person who wants to pants animals. And I was like, you know what would do it? Is is a pipe. That was the point of the campaign. The campaign was it's too hard to bully animals. They don't and so we didn't get used to pants. So that's a all right. The way you guys are bullying animals is like ethnically, yeah, we have to create a scenario where we can just tease them a little. Yeah, we need to figure out a way where we can get just a lot of pants horse though. You know, I'm saying, like, it's freaking hard to do. It is a little tough. Okay. So so this guy he had a he noticed g Clifford Prout okay or Prout Prout, yes, prout, g Clifford Prout. He noticed that there's naked animals all over the place, and he had a problem with this and he felt like he he felt like this was corrupting our kids in our youth because they got to see the naked animals everywhere they went. And so you walk, you go up. You ever think like, if we just follow it through, Yeah, his fear, Yeah, is someone looking at this animal would then be corrupted toward what I mean, Let's follow it through. I mean, I know we're a family friendly podcast, but just follow it through for a second. Yeah, me looking is going to be like, man, I want to have some pre marital sex, right, And that speaks more to who Prout is. Then you know what I'm saying, Like if someone's like so that we should cover this up, and it's like why because looking at this whrse don't think about the thoughts that's making you think about and so you're making me think any thoughts. That's what I'm saying about the thoughts you're thinking when you're thinking about that talking, just follow it twelve seconds and you can be like, this guy's a pervert. It is a little it is a little like you're selling yourself out by starting this group. Like it's kind of like the faster talking about tiktoking exactly. It is like you can't get on this app without naked girls showing up on your feed. That was seeing a naked talk That's what I'm saying outside and not stumbled talking about what is wrong with you? You go back? You're freaking sick. Oh yeah, I guess I feel the same way about ATM machine. Dude, look at that idea? He nabby. Oh my gosh. You know his callback? Yeah? You know his Instagram handle Dan Sanders Saunders. You know his Instagram handle is at M Dan Saunders. No, he put the ATM. I mean you weren't supposed to answer that. You're just supposed to be like, oh, you're not supposed to say no, I didn't know that. Cool. You're supposed to say have you ever been in a conversation before? That's it your first time talking to someone? What is happening. Okay, hell, welcome to my podcast. My guest today's never talked to a person in this life. This is his first time doing this. Thank you for having me. Typically, uh, typically people look at each other when they talk to each other. I'll grow into it. Baby steps, crazy frogs, causing people to stumble. So yeah, I don't know exactly where this happened for him, but for throughout his youth he noticed there's just animals. So he started writing these pamphlets and then writing like letters to local news publications. And I got to give it to him because the guy crazy idea but honestly great campaigner, like probably could have been president if he would have chose a different if he chose to be normal. Yeah, he wasn't such a freaking psycho dude, No, because his so he came up with some pretty good, uh slogans. Well, let's take a look at a couple of them. This one, I'm probably okay, sounds good. The first one, decency today means morality tomorrow. Oh no, that's that's a slogan that youth pastor still said. So he got it from him. I know where you got this. Whoa whoa? Decency today means morality tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the same. You know who said something like that was the founder of Chick fil A. What you eat today, uh, determines how you feel tomorrow. Oh. I mean he's not wrong, he's not wrong. I'm gonna be honest. If I eat Chick fil A the next day, I don't feel great. Depends on what you eat from Chick fil A spice of chicken sandwich. Don't feel good? Great in the moment, so good in the moment. Better hope you die that. Yeah, I would love that as my last meals. Chick fil A Spici Deluxe are normal deluxe? Yeah? Okay, can we never mind pepper Jack cheese? Okay, So here's another one. Execute me is that where you're going? Can we can we make that happen? Wow? Okay another one. This one is not so much a slogan, it's just like a highly This is something that's like highly quoted for him. Uh. He said, any dog, cat, horse, or cow that stands higher than four inches or longer than six inches should be clothed. So there's a height limit on it. There's like a yeah, but that that limit is insane. Taller than four inches longer than six inches. We're talking freaking lizards like like that is so it's longer than six inches. Clothes. How you close on a snake? Special clothes? Clothes? Yeah, it's like it's one of those what do you call those, the finger traps? It just slide the finger trap on the snake. Just here's another one. Here's another one. Uh, this is my favorite. A nude horse is a rude horse. Okay, what do you rake that one for the rhyme? Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. So rude it is rude. So he started forming this political action group, got his uh mid friends with that Bruce Spencer guy, and they kind of started taking it to market, I don't know if that's the right word for that, to find other people who were weird. So they started canvassing neighborhoods, writing tracks and handing them out to people in neighborhoods like to support their vision. And they were sending letters into like local paper magazines. You got it. You gotta rail on how bad the problem is. It's such a big issue. You got to be like this, look at that? Do you want to look at that? A guy who rings on your doorbell. Can you photo a shot? One of our social media post is just this. It's just it's crazy frog just holding blur is mid section. When you see it, you're never gonna. You're never gonna. And I don't I don't understand how we didn't see it. I just don't understand how we did anyway. It's insane. Okay, So yeah, can you imagine though, opening there's a knock out your door. You think it's a tupperware salesman. It's the fifties, this is that's that era, and you open the door and there're just like, look at this, Oh god, what are you doing here? What is that? That's offensive, isn't it? I mean, yeah, it was pretty offensive. Is the picture of your dog yesterday? They come around your neighborhood one day with cameras. Yeah, they're like in their corres, like the car, like hiding in the car. Ticket waits. Everyone's naked. Pett is freaking weird, right, is freaking weird? What's that guy doing? He's taking picture dog? It's a cute dog, too cute, and dog's too cute to not have pants on. Too tall for new can't be that tall and naked. I guess, like under four inches, are they thinking like a squirrel? Maybe, like you're not gonna Yeah, I think there's a certain I mean four inches. Squirrels are a bit taller than four inches. I think it really is basically getting to the point where it only excludes insects. Yeah, insects are the only things you don't have to put close on. And that's probably a practicality thing. Honestly, if they could figure out how to do it, I'm sure he would have been for it, Okay, And so I'm not convinced this is a real So this campaign starts picking up some steam and they actually start getting like on television productions and so they're ending up on like CBS. And at the height of it, they had in nineteen sixty two August nineteen sixty two, they were on Walter Cronkite and so like they were like okay, they had were like public, they were out there. Yeah, And over the course of those few years of campaigning, they developed a pretty large fat following. There's estimates are somewhere in the ballpark at fifty thousand supporters nationwide that were then joining the cause and canvassing their neighborhoods to telling peopeople about, hey, here's what we gotta do. And what they said is they said, if you see your neighborhood, in your neighborhood, you see a neighbor that doesn't have pants on our dog and they're out walking their dogs, well, they said, you should feel free to essentially do a citizen's arrest and go and say, hey, you need to you need to put some pants on that dog. Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. And you've got shorts and you're just walking, ma'am, ma'am. Excuse me, ma'am, mayam, ma'am, ma'am. Yeah, chasing me with a pair of shorts. Do you feel like public unity is fine? No? Absolutely not. You wouldn't do it. Dogs shouldn't do it. They even got to the point where a group of them picketed in front of the White House. This has been retouched so you can read the sign, just so you know, but this is them has been retouched. Yeah, so you can read the sign better. Oh, thank you for this is giving me a digitally altered little asterisk on this image. I just want you to know, like that's why the script looks so okay, legible. Sure, when you can be able to get that close to the White House, that's a good point before it burnt it down. Now you get to Washington, d C. And at the baggage claim, you turn around, there's the gate to the White House. It's very far away from the airport. Wait hold on, oh your's a like right when you get off the airport, there they have they have put a gate. You can't pass this line in front of the gate. Yeah, in front of the gate. All because that one guy got in there with a knife in the Obama of the years. Oh yeah, that's right. He just and everyone's like, stars that a knife, put some pants on it. We don't care about the knife. Put some I'm pretty sure he wasn't wearing pants, but yeah. And so at their height, they had around fifty thousand members. They were out there doing campaigning popul their neighbors. They had all these pamphlets, they had books, the record, they had. Their headquarters was in New York on Fifth Avenue, but they had offices in New York. Headquarters they had in New York headquarters, but they had offices around the states, in DC, LA Saint louis Ago, San Francisco. So this is the late fifties, early sixties, so it looks like it really picked up in fifty nine. And then it hit like it's like that sign said missus Kennedy. They're addressing Jackie, you know. Interesting, So yeah, this is the missus Kennedy. Did anything about it? Or what are you what make them think about it? As president? Well, well it's out here, just ignoreing my police. Yeah, I went all the way to the White House. I held up my signs. Yeah, even Brod Schortz for them. Another thing that was big in their campaign that this is another Clifford line that I forgot to tell you. So you rte this one. Oh okay, zeus are peep shows for children? What do you write that? I mean, it's clear, it's concise. Yeah, it's telling. It's very inflammatory. It puts a picture in your mind. Yeah, it does make you say, like, why are we letting kids see all that for free? I mean mosts are free. The problem is that it's free. Is that what you're saying? That's what it sound like for free. We got a certain charging. Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, A great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our host and producers. We get do monthly hangouts. We do. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perse but more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're gonna keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it to us and so like, we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support, Thanks for your help. If you don't want a support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. So yeah, okay. And then they developed their anthem, the Sena Anthem, and I want you to sing this. I'm gonna put it up on this scree I want you to sing this whatever tune you think. I think it goes to Yeah, I was gonna give you the tune, but actually I like that idea better. Oh you just go for it and see. Let me read it how you hit it. This is the late fifties early sixties. That can probably give you a pretty good hint of what the tune is for this. Uh wait, okay, hey what I don't I guess I don't know the tune. You're pretty close. I'm not gonna lie high on high on the wings of scene. No, we fight for the future. Now nailing it, That's exactly it. Keep going. What is the tune next? That's actually exactly it. I'm not thinking you were dead on. Let's clothe every pet animal, whether dog, cat, horse or cow. Gee. Clifford Proud our president. He works for you and me. What is this? You're nailing it? Keep going? Stop keep going. I want everyone to hear the right. I'm not kidding your daily yet. So clothe all your pets and join the Mars for worldwide decency. There we go. S I that's hard call a r y. I'm nude, that's who I him. Put some pants on that orang? Uh? S I A n A. That's our call. All for one and one for all? Hoist our flag for all to see, waving for morality. Onward, we strive together, stronger in every way, All Mankind and his Animal Friends for is it sena yes, s I N A, And I just I love the picture at these rallies that they would hold and would they would do this, And I just love the picture of everyone in that crowd chanting the s I N at the end, s I N A and they and really it would go uh for all Mankind and his Animal Friends. For set up, We are the worst podcast that exists. I think, I'm sorry you have to live through this stuff. And they had you're on a walk right now, a lot in your ears. We're going, which sucks from a content perspective. To be honest with you, it's just bad content. That's what we're doing. So they had UH and they had donors. They had UH probably the largest single donation this is like sixty one was a woman in Sambordino donated forty thousand dollars to the cause. And so like they had people. Sam, Yeah, he's the richest person. I don't know, if you ever just do a different time, it was a different time. Google image shirts. It was a different time. Sam Bernardino. I know, and I can't imagine a time that that crap hole looked good. To be honest, we drive through it to go out to the pretty part of California, but it's definitely the armpit. It's definitely the bit. Well, every time we drive through, it's like, I'm gonna drive faster. I need to get that out of here for real. My wife's like, I got a pee, you don't know, pee in my car, then me have to stop in San Bernardino. That's how much I hate this place. So this is becoming a pretty big big thing. And like I said, they got on Walter Kronkite's show and they had their whole expos about it, and he shared his opinion. And I should say most television shows and a lot of news organizations would broadcast this as like almost like a freak show sort of thing. Like they weren't like, we want you guys to hear about the newest risk attacking our ches. I'm saying. They'd be like, the birds are yeah, the birds are real people. Yeah, And so they'd be like, instead, they'd like, let him share his points. But then they'd be like, notice I said, birds are real people. I didn't say art, uh and so because they are so they're real people. So he's on a Clifford pruit. I like that you're pushing through, right, Birds like actors are real people. That's crazy. They're not wearing pants out there. They're just flying around pantless because they're like, Oh, I'm a bird, I don't have to wear pants. That's why they're booping everywhere. Dude, it's a dude in the alleyway by your apartment dressed like a bird. Like, he's just got a bunch of feathers taped to his arm, naked, he's painted as old. I live in Los Angeles. This is real. Ray that is by my house, a machine beak on his face. Yeah, but you gotta put some pants on. He's like, I'm a bird. Birds will wear pants, that's what anyway. The birds aren't real people are on the news, not because the news people are because but that that's what's funny about the The guy who does the birds Aren't Real thing. Yeah, he really commits to the bit. Yeah, and the news people are like, I mean, I mean you're joking though, right, And he's like, this is really read that you'd say that. Yeah, He's like, no, I really believe so, Walter, but that but that's the crazy thing is the bird's not real. Guy. There's people who are like, I think he's right. I think birds are just cameras are just drug. Sure, and that's dangerous. Yeah, but I mean like, wouldn't you rather than be rallying behind that cause than just like we should unite and take over a government building? You which one? Would you? Rather than be like hey, every once and a while just be like that bird's uh. I mean, but that leads to that. I don't know if I think that's the bird people. I think that's the like entry drug for you think that's the people he's talking about. First thing, I got red billed because of the birds. So I just looked at him and I was like, that's not real. It's definitely not right. Be for real. Uh So he goes He goes on Walter Kronkite, does his his broadcast, sure g Clifford proof shares all his says, his campaign lines, does whatever. They probably plays theme song when he walks out, his theme song, his anthem when he walks out, and there's a guy watching at home who works for CBS. Okay, and he's watching this interview. He doesn't work on Cronkite show. He works on different shows at CBS. He's like a boom operator or something, you know. Now even like a like a now you're like a person. He's just operator. Yeah. Yeah, he's like he's like a yeah he works there. He works there. Yeah, he's on the crew. He works that. He's not he does not like a president at CBS, you know, like he works. Yeah, And he's watching this and he's looking at ge Clifford Pruit sitting there in Walter Kronkite's guest chair, and he's looking at him. He's like, I know this guy. Yeah, He's like, this is no ge Clifford Prut. Oh, He's like, this is a Buck Henry. And Buck Henry was a brand new writer an actor. Yeah, that would go on. That would go on to be in a ton of TV and film and write a lot, but also act and be in different things and host SNL seventeen times after this. So this is before any of this happened. This is like his first time on TV was so he was just campaign bit Yeah, I love that's so. So this was actually started by the co founder. So the co founder Bruce Uh Spencer. This guy looks like he is serious about the paints. He does seem like he'd be serious about it. So this guy's this guy, he's going by Bruce Spencer. He's the co founder in this whole thing now making a lot of public appearances, very rarely coming on the public appearances with Prut who's actually Buck Henry Uh soon to be pretty major comedian. This guy is a guy by the name of Alan Abel, and Alan Abel in the forties was driving, Oh, I was really afraid where the next sentence was going to go. That was definitely a record flip moment. Alan Abel in the forties. That sentence is just dangerous for anybody, anybody. Yeah, So in the forties, he was driving through a like rural Texas area and happened upon a spot where pretty rare in rural Texas. There was a traffic jam and everyone's like outside their car, and like he like peeks out and he realizes everyone's like disgusted, and he's like, why is everyone so grossed out right now? And he's looking around, like people are covering their eyes. They're like they're very like they're noticeably angry, noticeably disgusted and in the center of the road ahead of them, traffic is blocked both directions. There's a couple of cows mating in the center of the road and blocking traffic, and everyone's just disgusted. Everyone's so mad. And this made an impact on him. Really, in the middle of the road in the forties, don't you know what's going on in the world right now? Put some pants on that cow. So he sees this, and this makes an impact on him because he's like, he thinks, how ridiculous are all these people that they see two cows doing what cows do and they're like grossed out about it? And he dead serious, this is dead serious his reaction. He's like, he's like, what's wrong with all these people? All these prudes just seeing seeing these animals do what animals do and get upset about. But I'm thinking about it, and I'm like, if I'm driving and I just happen upon a couple of mating cows, I'm also kind of like, oh, I don't want to look at that in the middle. I don't want to see that. Like I'm not like, I'm not like, oh man, these immoral cows. Yeah, I'm like rings, pre birdal cows and so uh, this leads like a lasting impact on him. He goes on and he becomes like a musician in college, he's in a band and he's doing all that stuff. Gets out of college and it's like, what am I going to do with my life? And he's like He's like, oh, I could do that thing, he says. He decides I'm going to start this as like a It's like it's a joke, it's a prank, but it's also like it's also proved a point. It's like, you guys are all so stupid, like you're you think that you're so into like how I want to become. I would love to spend the next twenty years and become like the top country artists. Yeah, and then turn around the end of the twenty years and be like, hey, I was joking and by the way, none of that was real. Yeah, I just made the lowest denominator of music. And you guys were like, dish ish good. I love this guy. And so he does this whole scheme. It obviously gets really big. He calls up Henry act if I do I don't, I don't hate country music fans. I hate some of them. Some of them deserve the hate, yeah, but it's not it's not all of them. They that person could be a fan of any music and they deserve that. Yeah, And they're not a fan of our podcast, So I'm not really freedom and so uh so he calls up Buck Henry, and Buck Henry's just starting out. He hasn't got a major role yet. He's written, he's got writing credits on a couple of things, but he hasn't been in front of the camera yet. And he's like, hey, I got this idea, and he and Buck Henry is like, I love this, this is great. Yeah, And so Buck commits and I think I kind of think Buck committed to it a little more than Alan expected Buck to commit to this thing. And they went hard, like I legally changed my name. I am now Clifford Brute. And so luckily Buck ran with this thing. And Buck was on his own going out and doing all these interviews and like contacting all these people. I was like, oh, okay, yeah, And it's just so poetic to me that he ends up becoming like this major comic. Sure, but his first TV credit is appearances for this before he got credits doing anything else. His first appearance, Gosh, what's the actor's name? You would recognize him, the guy he's in What we Do in the Shadows. Oh, I don't know. I do know who you're talking about. You've seen his his morning show appearances, right, Maybe look up his name requick so I can credit him so that people can look him up. And I wish I remember his name. When you say it, I go, oh, yeah, obviously. But he did like morning news segments. I've seen you multiple of them because I'm like, look easy it is to get on the mortgage. Which role does he play? He's the nerdy guy Mark prokesch Yes, Colin is Colin Robinson his name? Yes? Yeah, yeah, Colin Robinson. Yeah okay, So have you seen his morning news segments where he's like a professional yo yo er? Yeah yep. And then he gets a call in the middle. Yeah, oh, and you never do a single yoyo trick. But he gets a call about how his dad is dying. Yeah, but he's like on air, live on air. He's like, oh okay, and he told them like he goes, I might get a call and I'll have to take it, and like they just let him on and they just let him do it. That's what I'm saying. That's funny. Yeah, that's pretty good. So yeah, so that's what Buck did do some morning news segments with our highest goal being KY three. I can get us on KY three easy, Yeah, I think, yeah, I think get anybody on KY three. Yeah. Yeah. I think you would call and be like, hey, I know a guy and yeah, let's put them on. Hey, if you need a boost of confidence, let me give you a quick hack. Just wear a shirt size bigger than you usually do. You know what I'm saying Right now, you're wearing large and just buy an Excel you know. Uh, And we have plenty of sizes available in our merch store if you got a Tillan dot com and so that'll help you boost your confidence overnight. Is that good? Can I say that you can say what you want dot com slash merch. So Cina blows up. It becomes a big thing. After after uh, after his appearance on or after the appearance on Walter Cronkite, this guy comes forward and is like, tells CBS. He's like, he's like that guy is an actor and CBS is like really, and so they tell Kronkite, and Kronkite loses his mind. He's so mad, and there's a quote from alan Abel and alan Abel like reached out to him afterwards, and he said, he said, when Kronkite or alan Abel, Kronkite reached out to alan Abel, and alan Abel said later in an interview, he said, when Kronkite eventually found out that he'd been conned and I was the guy behind it, he called me up and he said, I'd never heard him that angry on TV before, not when he talked about Hitler, Saddamisan or Fidel Castro. He was furious with me Yai. So in nineteen sixty three, Time puts out an article and they like formally expose it as a hoax. Sure, but they still had people out there that like latched onto it and continued to campaign for it afterwards because they were like, yeah, you know what, they were right, we should not let naked animals be out there. So they were like canvassing neighborhoods and telling their neighborhood neighbors and holding up signs and picketing and stuff like that for years after it came out that the whole thing was just an elaborate ruse. And it's important to mention too before I forget. They got a lot of donations that came in, but they were like, we're we don't want to commit mail fraud, so just send it all back. And what they would send back is they would send it back to whoever send it with a note from Clifford Pruit and he would say, I'm an heir and so i have a lot of money. I don't need any money. I'm financing this myself. Thank you for your donation. That was really generous. I mean, like, what's the fun you make money off of it? Aye? If you're doing like, why are you doing this? If you're not get rich and so over? For fun? Fund doesn't exist in our capitalistic supreme society. Do you understand you have to claw your way ahead or you'll never make it in this world? You understand that if you don't save every single penny that you have and put it away for a later time, that you will be crushed in less than ten years, everything about you will be gone anyway. So Buck Henry goes on to get nominated for two Academy Awards, two Golden Globes, and three Emmys. He wins an Emmy, and he wins a Golden Globe for the stuff, not for other stuff. They were like a great So he has becoming like a really major comic through like the sixties, seventies and into the eighties. And then his career continued after that, but it wasn't as well whatever, But it's kind of like, what are you still doing that? Alan Abel. On the other hand, his career continued, and so some of the things he did after this was he started a school for golf professionals to get better at golf, and he taught them ballet positions, and so they would gone on the golf course was doing ballet while they swung, because he thought it was really funny to picture all of them going out on the green. Yes, I mean it's pretty funny, respect it. He also created his wife played a fictional woman named Yea Bronstein, who he campaigned as a write in candidate for president and both sixty four and sixty eight, and they campaigned under their own made up party called the Best Party, and they obviously didn't win. They didn't receive some effod jocks and then he had a handful of other appearances one of my favorite as he appeared on the game show to Tell the Truth in the seventies. You know what that show is? No, that was a show in the seventies where there would be three people that would come out and they would like tell their story who they were, and then the contestant would have to be like, yeah, that's the person playing the truth. The other ones are lying. And so he came out and he covered his head and bandages so you couldn't see any of his face. Yeah, and so he's completely like you don't see any of him. The two people standing next to him are major A list actors, and so they came out and the major A list actors told the truth. They said exactly who they were, and then he made up this crazy story about how like he lost his face or something and had these bandages. Yeah, but you can't and not a single person can be like you know what I'm saying sends it up where it's like or it's like I think the victims lying on National TV. There's no scenario you could be like stand up, you know, like you can't do. It's Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jennifer Lawrence and you're like You're like, ah, it's the guy in the middle telling this. And they literally said, I'm like they said who they were, that's not who they were. There were seventies actors that I that's not what we want to want to get. What is this twenty thirteen video games just coming? Putting it in monitor Jennifer all our from our playbook, you know, I talking about you know the new movie that just came out with Jennifer Lawrence. Were you talking about putting it in words? But everyone here, what are you stupid? You can't afford this. He also started uh Omar's School for Beggars uh and so this was pretty late in his career. It was like he started it in the late He started in seventy five, ran it through nineteen eighty eight. And he would go and same thing. He would do TV appearances about how he was training homeless people to may and he had like a school that he would teach them. But here's the thing. People knew him now at this point, like he's like known for being the guy who goes on TV and lies and so all this I want to be known for. It's so bad all the TV companies had not I'm not even getting posters of him on the wall, and they like, do not let this guy on set? And so now it's a challenge. So now he's going on for He's going on, yeah, I teach almost people we homeless. So he he because of what he's doing, he tells them that he has to conceal his identity. So he's going on national TV dressed like this to this like a ball knobbery, and he's saying, I'm Obar, and I teach bankers out of bank and they're letting TV like that. And he's sitting on a morning show at a barding showing you turn on your TV, it's Rachel Ray, that scary person. Nah, today's news. That's how they all talked. We've got Omar who teaches homeless people how to do it better. Yeah, I tell him, I tell them if they extend their arm here, you know. But people don't like it when you come from above and like hey you got any money. They like it when you go hey you got any money there? And so a lot of people are starting to figure out what he was doing because he went on lots of shows as Omar, and one is he making money on this? What do you mean? How's he making money from being omar? You know, that's the thing he's not. We'll touch on that in a minute, okay, But one of them specifically, he's on the show and the host gets really mad at him because he comes out like he invites him out and he comes out out on stage live in front of the studio audience on television, and he brings the guy's lunch. He got it from the fridge and he just eats the guy's lunch right in front of life d in that math have the name on it and everything, and he's like, is that by lunch? And he's like, oh, I might be. I think, so is this your name? I thought that was read. Uh the sticker says, I what I didn't think. So in seventy nine, he faked his own death and he got obviously the New York Times to publish his obituary, and then he came out and he said, uh yeah. He came out on January third, nineteen eighty, just a couple of days later, and announced in a news conference. He called a press conference, and like there's like it's in front of the city all or something. He walks out, He walks out and he says the report four Seasons Guardian, and he says, and I've heard this phrase before, and I'm curious if this is where it originated or if he's using it. Very curious, but he says, the reports of my demise have been grossly exaggerated. Okay. He also hired a group of seven people to go to Phil Donahue's show in nineteen eighty five and be in the studio audience and faint. They all just started fainting, and they panicked so much during this live broadcast that they thought it. They were like, it must be too hot in here, and so they kicked the whole audience out and had a whole episode without the audience because these dudes pretended to faint in the crowd. And so this is just this is a lot of good stuff. He goes on to do all sorts of stuff like this, many many more, just random hoaxes and pranks and things like that. And then in two thousand and four, his daughter produces a film for this not sun Dance Slam Dance film festival called uh Uh. It was called uh Caine Raised Able, and it was a documentary about her dad. And I watched it and the very first line, and she said, growing up, we never had very much money. And I didn't understand why until I was older. Then I realized my dad just didn't want to have a job. And so she said that they were they were freelance writers and that's where the money came from. But they spent the majority of their time just the two of them coming up with these stupid pranks and getting on TV, him and his him and his wife, and so his wife was like, yeah, honestly they loved it. But yeah, And so at the point when she was producing this film, she was trying to get a home for them because they were they didn't have a home at that point. They were living out of a storage unit. They were sleeping on storage unit. But some of those most probably at the time of the documentary, Yeah, in two thousand and five. So this is like at the he's old. Yeah, at the end of their life in a storage unit. Yes, yeah, man, I was really looking after this guy. Yeah, I mean to be Fairy accomplished a lot except for the whole like personal life thing, the person's personal life with disaster, but the things he did pretty crazy. Pretty unless unless he's playing a long game trying to get on an episode of Storage Wars. He's like one day, one day, I'll be there and they're like it's a weird mannequin. And he's just back there, like just waiting for the closer. They close it and they still they're like, oh, yeah, I'll bid this, bid this for whatever. Yeah, and then he just walks up and starts banging on the door. Oh man, that's a great episode of Storage Wars. Uh. But yeah, this is him. I've watched every episode of Storage Wars. But the way this is him, uh Storage. He passed away in twenty eighteen. This is the very end of his life. He looked happy though. Yeah, he was good. How old he is, yeah, and look how happy his face is. He played percussion in the band in college, I hope, and uh pretty clear with all the percussion stuff, and he was like, he's like, that was my one true passion was percussion, Okay, but he missed it and instead did everything else he did. Okay, I'm gonna tell you this as a percussionist. If someone wanted to do a photo shoot of me in my percussion stuff, the triangle is the last thing I'm picking up for this photo shoot. I'm not gonna be like, you know that my mic. You know what, I've done a lot in my life. Yes, I live in a storage unit, but I still got a little bit of pride, right, Show me playing, let me get my try something better than the triangle I played? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that's another one. Play the rainstick. Come on, dude, I'd rather hold a rainstick than the try. It rains. It's pretty sick. That's pretty good anyways. Uh, that's uh, that's a Society for the Indecency to Naked Animals. He said that they originally wanted to call it the Society against Indecency to Naked Animals, but then that'd be sianna. And he said, sinna is what I wanted it to be. So he had to change it to four. And he's like, that's a little confusing, but we had to stick with it. And that's sin that is how he pronounced it. Yes, because then my animals are sinners. Yes, that's the idea. Okay. Uh. And so that's the story of Alan Abel. His career got kicked off in a pretty crazy way. And I don't know if you could call it a career because I don't know if the money from it. Career is a word his lifelong hobby. I guess, oh yeah, it's kind of like whatever that we're doing here, you call this. I love this lifelong hobby we've been doing. Anyway, instead of the fiddle off, can we have the John Cena music. I don't think we have the rights for it, but it'd be pretty cool if we're like fiddle off. Yeah, we could just take that fiddle and remix it. So it's the fifth asked Alex to do different stuff with our music, and he does so many episodes and it's like he's like, yeah I can. He's like, I could do that because I have the ability, I'm not going to And he doesn't even sayd not going to it. He just goes, I can do that. Yeah. Well I learned that my hero ended up in a storage unit, so maybe that'll be my life too. Hey, thanks for joining us for things last night. If you like this episode, there's another episode we did called the nineteen oh four Olympics. There is an element of that story where a person one first place and then was like just kidding because he jumped in a car and set a record pace and people were like, that's crazy how fast you ran this race? And then he came out and was like, I I was joking, but there's a lot of other insane things that happened during that race, and it's personally one of my favorite episodes, one of my all time favorites. So please go check that out again. Please share the show. 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In the late 1950s, a political action group called the Society for Indecency to Naked Animals (SINA) was formed to address the grave issue of animals walking around in their natural, nude state. SINA’s founder, G. Clifford Prout Jr., believed this indecency corrupts children and society. Prout and SINA pushed for all animals over 4 inches tall and 6 inches … Read More

Katko v. Briney: The Famous Booby Trap Case

07-23-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to Things Earth Last Night. This is a comedy podcast where we joke around and we learn useless information every single week. This week we talk about cat co versus Brindley. This couple owned an old house filled with their antiques. They didn't live there, and so people were breaking into their house and you know, teens were going there and treating it like a little like, oh, we can get in this ponded house or whatever. So they started booby trapping. And now the problem is, if you don't live there and one of your booby traps hurts somebody, is that still self defense or are they Is that reasonable that they would be able to go to a vacant property and not get you know, seriously injured or killed. And that's what the lawsuit was about. We talk about the merits of this, They talk about the trial, We talk about the incident that led to the trial. Really interesting episode. We like it a lot. Thank you for checking out our show. Let's get into it. Hey man, what's up. Have you ever heard of Edward and Bertha Brinnie? Edward and Bertha Brinnie. Yeah, or maybe Briani could be that's possible that Briani is the pronunciation there. I think it's Brnnie, Brinnie, Britannie. Edward and Bertha Brene. It's definitely not Brenne. I know that. It's not that fancy. They're from Iowa. It's definitely not Brine. Okay, No, I guess I probably haven't heard of this couple from Iowa. Yeah, that's literally, they're just some dif from Iowa, which is an hour from here, maybe two hours. I don't know, it's potential. I don't know where Iowa is. So here's the deal. Edward and Bertha. Bertha's so Bertha in like nineteen, I don't know, sixty one, sixty two somewhere around there. She no, she has a mother, her mother passes away, and she inherits inherents, inherits the family farmhouse. Here's the deal. They don't want to live in the family farmhouse, Okay, but they want they want the family farmhouse, you know, yes, And so they're like, what if we made this an airbnb? But the technology isn't here yet, So we got a hold. Yeah, we got hold for a while for the technology to come around and then we can make this an airbnb. Really, it was just kind of like sentimental value, like they wanted the farmhouse in. Yeah, it's in Iowa, small town, Iowa. Let's see if I know the town name. I don't cool is it Okay, Mahaska County, Iowa. Couldn't tell you where that is? Somewhere in Iowa. Yeah, really tell me, no, I said I could not that I will good. It looks like it's like south eastern Iowa, southeastern Iowa. And it's not in a town. It's like unincorporated county. Land is where this farmhouse is. They inherit this farmhouse and they want to keep it. They want it to be in the family. They and they use it to like store all all the family heirlooms. And so they left everything that was in there, like they didn't do in the state sale or anything like that. They left it how it was. They also moved some of their family rooms that wasn't like her mother's family heirlooms there. And so they just kind of had this other house. They lived miles away, probably thirty forty minutes away, Okay, And so they just they would visit occasionally muld a lawn see the stuff or what. No, they visit occasionally like oh, yeah, here's our heirlooms. If you look around, there's a there's some plates. Yeah, that's I think that's I think that's the thermostat. I can't tell. I don't know houses. So no, they would show up to like check on the house and make sure it was okay, okay, how are you how are you doing the house? No, they would like the house was like, ah, you know, speak English, never language, Okay, got it, but it spoke for sure. They just didn't know what there is, like, whoa, what do you say? This house speaks to me. You don't get it really speaks to me. I just tell that to your realtor, and you don't hear that. You don't hear that. We should go to some open houses too, You should spend You don't hear that idea? Right now? Are you doing this weekend? You want to go to some open houses? We're doing Sunday from eleven to two time, if I can pick any time where there might be some open houses. Uh. So they go to like Mulan and do like general upkeep and clean and just make sure it's like not falling apart. Basically occasionally, I'm not even saying once a month, maybe every other month maybe every third month, you know, like it's pretty rare, but they show up occasionally. And so they're just sitting on this house. And over the years, the house just because nobody's really living in it, they're just kind of showing up and checking on it. It starts to kind of fall apart and get a little dilapidated, and it becomes a little what dilapidated? Okay, what do you? Is that a word that you really went for? That's a big word? Did I say it wrong? No, You're great, keep going. It was just sometimes your vocabulary. I go, oh, but I think I know words, like who don't know word? A person who historically doesn't know words? No, historically I know words. You just think I say them wrong. You just have this idea and I start, I'll keep going. I was just surprised. So that house is delpidated. Sure, and uh, it becomes kind of like a thing where like local high schoolers and stuff like breaking and just kind of mess around, you know, like they're like, I look at this ghosts and stuff. Oh okay, okay, okay, And so this is the house from the notebook. Kind of it's like everyone's like, we're gonna go in there and like throw a party or like here's the ghosts, or maybe you take some stuff, but not like it's just whatever for fun, you know, and also for taking stuff. You know. Some people are like, I'm actually gonna steal some stuff out of the house because there's stuff here still even though it's falling apart. No one's really squatting. I don't know if people do that in Iowa. They can't. People in Iowa don't have knees. You're looking at me like there's something I should know, you should and I don't Iowa. And so it becomes a spot, like it's a it's a spot. So they start doing all this stuff to try to keep people out. They put up do not enter signs, people keep entering. They put up do not trespass signs, people keep trust. They start like putting up new locks. People in Iowa geary, this science is. It looks like the scientists a sign that would say and That's what I'm going with. It's like the mid sixties, and so it's like, what was it. Bob and Uh and Dwayne are going out are Yeah, they're going out to the house, and they're like, we need to we need to talk to that one kid from school, the nerdy kid pulling Dexter to see if you can come out and read the signs for us. We don't know what they say, Hey, hey, yeah, hey, what's his sign? Say? It says do not enter? Shut up nerd bunch him in the face. However, he tell us not to enter, and then they actually say and so the signs are working. They start putting on more locks on the doors and on the windows. They start trying to like barricade it, and people are still getting in their breaking windows, breaking and entering, classic classic breaking the law, and then one day finding the way in. And so this becomes a trend for like years. Finally in the nineteen seventy Edwards had enough. Edwards, I've had the house for like ten years now. Yeah, they've had the house for ten years. People a breaking it, enter in and they're getting frustrated. They've tried everything except for selling the house. And he's He's like, we got to find a way to stop these people. And so the moat didn't work. They dug a moat. They put an alligator in the living group. Well, I'm saying, you said they tried everything. Have they tried everything. There's no boat, there's no right. Yeah, call the tunnel lady, right, TikTok, I ever put a moat in. And so he's like, he's like, I've had enough of this. I'm gonna solve this problem. The tunnel lady. Yeah, what are you talking about? You don't know what to call the tunnel lady on that. That's where we're at with technology is it started. Social media started as a way to connect us. And now you say stuff like, you know, the mold lady, you don't know, you don't know what I'm talking about. The tunnel lady, lady with birds on TikTok, The tunnel lady, I swear we've talked about this before. It's the She lives in like Indiana, I think, like the suburbs in Indiana. She is a mechanical engineer, I think. And her hobby, well, here's the thing. She wanted her hobby. So she wanted so she wanted to take her suburban home, like a regular suburban, like a new reds from like the mid two thousands, cookie cutter home like you see anywhere. She wanted to turn it into a castle, but she needed the stone to build the castles. Around it, like the castle facade around it, okay, And she didn't want to buy all of that stone, so instead she blew a hole out of the side of her basement and dug a mine and had this mineshaft that went down like sixty meters underneath her home. This is not something I've ever seen, and started pulling out all and like it's like this functional mind. And so on the weekends, this is her hobby. She bought a mine cart and it's got a track. What's up, guys, I'm here on TikTok Live. It's actually it's actually more like those stories. So she films, she films the whole thing, and then she voiceovers it of what she did, and so she like, hey, guys, here we are going into the bad And it was pretty rough day today. Actually the track is a little bit you can see how that's like, Okay, sorry, well I probably shouldn't include this part of the video. The mine rail derailed and killed one of my workers. But uh, anyway, and than that pretty productive day. We got a lot of stuff done on the house, Like I yeah, yeah, just like that, you know. And I was telling my wife the other day, I said, because she's you know, she's just looking up stuff. I saw this thing on I want to buy this. I want to buy this. I said, you were addicted to advertisements? Yeah what do you? Yeah? How are we? How is this where we're at? So she's just showing you ads like it's just everything that's on her feed is something to buy. Two out of three things in your feed is stuff that's like you should buy this. Yeah, even if it's not linked to the TikTok shop. It's interesting. It's like here's a cool product, here's something that you know, everything a prophecy today. Uh, yes, what about it. They referenced that they talked about the tribe that they brought phones to. It was like one, oh yes, yeeah yeah, and then all the girls are ready to social media within like two months, the guys are addicted to yeah. Yeah, and within two months this destroyed this tribe. Yeah, it's crazy. They thought they were like, we're connecting you to the world. Yeah, and they gave them like starlink and phones and all this stuff like here's how you use it, here's the internet, and then they destroyed the tribe. All the young kids are lazy, now, yeah, that's crazy. You know what's crazy about technology is that we grew up with technology rapidly changing all the time. Yeah, right, because like we're used to, like new things come out. Millennials, we go like, okay, yeah, I new stuff comes out, and now they have these big press releases. Here's the updates that are coming to your phone. They didn't use to press release it. Yeah, they should just update your phone. Yeah. And then you open in and you go, oh, I guess I can do this now. Yeah, and then your parents and your grandparents would be like, how do I do anything? You're shut up. I got to figure it out first, and then I'll tell you I gotta figure it out. Hey. If you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, A great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early, they get a discord with our host and producers. We do monthly hangouts. We do there's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great pers But more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're gonna keep doing this forever. If we have enough patrons supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it to us and so like, we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. So I remember the day the group chats became a thing. Oh God, remember on text message what you used to be able to do. You used to be able to send a text you say hey to three different phone numbers, and then it would just send us three separate texts. Yeah, I think you need to be a little bit more clear to our younger listeners about what's happened a text message is when we had our little phones. It's kind of like no. Here, here's a good example. If you're sending a DM on Instagram. You can send dms separately. You can check all the different people and send separately, or you can send them in a group. Yeah, but in an early texting there was no send us there was. It was only separately. So you write one message three numbers, right, hey, send it, and it would start three sepparate threads. I understand that I don't got to talk to them like their children. It would start three separate threads and then uh, one day, out of nowhere, group chat right uh. And no one found that out harder than the kid in the grade above me, who was a tool. No one liked him all right, but he found himself in a group chat with forty two girls that he had sent good night beautiful and sent it to all forty two, and then one night, just one chat all forty two. And there were screenshots of that group chat. Yeah, he had to change his phone number because all forty two of those girls would say good night beautiful. At the end of every day he would get a text message from every single person it was, and so every night he'd get forty two. So hold on, he had been doing this, he had been sending and then one night they all found out and weren't the only group chat. I'm one of forty two beautiful. I love justice. That is. Oh, sometimes our justice system really crushes. It was the that was the justice system. It was back to tubble Ladies. So she so she's digging this hole and it really is like she's got a mine cart that goes down, she's got power running through it, lighting it, she's got a some pump pumping water out of it, different signs she has built this. It's a fully functional mine. And she's dug really deep, and she's got a quarry that she's literally like, I'm not even getting tons of rock that she's pulling out. Well, the thing I do about it. She did this for a year, posting TikTok and doing updates, and the whole point of it is to get the stone so she can build turn her house into castle. That's the whole point of it. And she's like, I got a lot of rock under my house. Uh. The city finds out, the city shut her down. They give her a didn't yeah dig right? Well they really were. They were like, you don't have a permit. And in the state of Indiana, this was an interesting thing that came up because and I think we covered an episode that loosely related to this and the state of Indiana. You don't own the ground below your house, like you only own the foundation. Really, in some states you own everything below everything above is your property. But in some states you only own the height of your building, so you only own down to the bottom of your foundation and up above. So now she's digging into state property and napping state property. So she had to get a special permit to be able to do that, got to stop work, and so she hasn't done anything for like a year. And so now her TikTok, I mean, her TikTok's huge millions of fun. Now her TikTok is her dancing. She became like a thirst trap TikTok. Ah. Yeah, And honestly, I need to show it to you. I need to show it to you. But it's like, it's crazy, it's it's insane. I think I actually sent this to you the other night, and I was like, she's thirst trapping. I probably shouldn't. I probably didn't look at it. I'm sure you probably said it to me, and I went, tim, I have a wife. Whatever you think of when you think thirst trap, it's not that's not what she's doing. She's doing a whole different kind of thirst trap. And you need to see to believe it, Like it is not what you expect. It's not what you're exciting. It's probably not a thirst trap. You probably not meant to be a draft. But you're looking at it and you're like, I can see how some people about it's not. No, it's not. But she broke She broke it the other day because the city she was driving by a construction site and she noticed there was a bunch of just stones sitting out there, and she's like, can I have that? And so now she's she's mining their stone. Now imagine you're a construction worker. And then some girl walked up in here with her phone and she has that Yeah, I guess yes, and it's they're big hunks of stones. So she's literally out there with a jack camera. She's filming herself. For every stone she takes from the state, she owes another one, you know. So she's in she's in rock debt. Yeah. Yeah, how is this related to the house at all? Oh? Because you said in moat and she builds her castle. She is. Actually she's also building a moat. So she does have a moat started an her backyard. She hasn't done the front yet, but she does literally have a moat. She putzy river around my house. Yeah, and she's been when I create a content creator facility creator house. Yeah. Yeah, So she she dug a moat and it's like five or six foot deep, and she poured concrete on the sides and she filled it in. So she has a moat around her backyard of her house Rawbridge. Not yet. She needs more stone. That's a problem she has to get stone from. She's got to get more stone, and the city won't let her get her stone. And I know where she could find anyways, I'll show it to you after this. She's my hero. Oh my gosh, Tim Stone. Okay, so this house, they start like fortifying it with just like extra locks and stuff like that. Okay, they start like freaking well, nothing's working. People are still breaking in. And so there was a guy by the name of let me get this name right real quick. There's a guy by the name of Marvin at Co who he was a little behind financially, and he had heard about this house and he said he told one of his friends, he said, hey, here, there's a lot of antiques there. I'm sure we could go and get some antique bottles or something something like that and make up the deficit that we're in and be good and so they break in. One night, they go to kick all right, Marvin, we're gonna go to We're gonna get all sales out of his bank day. All right, Marvin, let's do it. So steal a few antiques, leave and he goes success and so, yeah, that was pretty easy. So they say, weeks go by, the house is first trapping me and that word right, No, I feeled that house is speaking to me. I feel the house. I've interpreted this. Come on in, Yeah, steal whatever you want. The house told me. The house told me to steal. So he tells his friend, I was told me too. Is something you hope your kid never says to you. The house told me? Do the house told me? No, No, it did not. What is the house saying? Now? What does the house say about my outfits? Is the house say anything about me? Think of me? What does the house like me? Is the house a fan of me? I feel like I've been I made some good updates. I clean anyways, so I dug a mote, so he says. So he says, hey, two weeks have gone by. I made a little bit of money off those antiques. He tells his friend. He's like, hey, hey, what else might they have in that house? We checked just the kitchen. Surely there's some more goodies there, and so they were like, let's give it another surely there, so they said let's give it another shot. They show back up another night. They're going through the house nabbing some goods, go up to the mass bedroom. Marvin opens up the master bedroom door. First of all, he gets the master measure door and he know this is something peculiar. There is a chair propped up against the doorknob, but it's like a door that opens the other way, so it's like not actually stopping anything, you know, how you do that. He's like, this is weird. So he takes the door, throws it down the stairs. The chair throws it down the stairs, like this is stupid. Whoever did this? He just doesn't think much of it. He's like, that was weird, opens the door and bang, bang baby what. His friend comes running up the stairs after hearing this loud bag to find Marvin on the ground leg just obliterated, and there's like a shotgun up by the door with like some twine run brand to the door, and so he is like, holy crap, he just got booby trapped. So he grabs him and drags him out of the house and he takes him uh to a hospital, uh like the next town over, and they're like, what happened here? And he's like, you're not gonna believe this. We were playing hide and seek and no, they're adults. Tell him exactly what happened, and so they they do all the surgery. They managed to save his leg. They're they're like, we may end up having to amputate this, but like, at least for now, you're gonna be all right. He ends up getting tried for the burglary, yeah, and he goes to prison. They do end up being able to save his leg, but it's like it's in rough shape and he's he's deformed for the rest of his life. It's a very serious injury. Serves a year in prison, gets out of prison, and it's like, my leg is toasted, my legs, legs, he's just got his yoked leg. What had happened was Edward said, hey, we're gonna stop this once and for all, and so he's like, I'm gonna booby trot the house and him and his wife go back and forth like, well, him and his wife go back and forth about this and his wife. He does the gun, and his wife was like, he's like, honey, what are you doing. She's like, I don't help it. He goes thanks. So so he sets this up in the master bedroom because she says, well, there's a lot of kids who explore like, we can't put it by the front door, because what if a kid just comes in, like we don't want to get away. Yeah, yeah, someone who's not like actually trying to rob the place. And so they choose the master bedroom because're like, oh, if they get the master bedroom, they're actually like trying to steal some stuff, you know. And so they winded up in the master bedroom and he calls her up to see it to check it out, and he's like, look, we got it. And so she actually says, oh, you're aiming at like their chest, that'll kill them. And she's like, I don't want you to kill them, like aiming a little lower, so you hit their legs and so you just take them out, but like you don't actually kill them. And he's like, fine, it's a real standard ground kind of got I mean, here's that, this is this is Southeast Iowa. Here's the thing if his friend wasn't there, he would have died, like he would have led right there, like there's no way he's surviving that either way, and it would have just been a much more painful death. But he and he I know that teens break in and find legs blown away, yikes, And so he does. You break in and he's still alive, and he's just out there going yeahs as high school kids, they don't help. They run, They run so fast they tell no one. They're crying, they're losing it. They're just traumatized. Isn't that funny? So, m hey, if you need a boost of confidence, let me give you a quick ha. Just wear a shirt size bigger than you usually do. You know what I'm saying. Right now you're wearing large, and just buy an excel you know, uh, And we have plenty of sizes available in our merch store if you go to tilling dot com. And so that'll help you boost your confidence overnight. Is that good? Can I say that you can say whatever you want dot com slash merch. That sounds awful. So they tilt, they tilt it down. He tilts it down and then he puts he nails a piece of tin over the window so no one can see it through the window. Okay, could have just close the blinds, nails a piece of the window. Thanks, nailed the pieces in o the window, cox the shotgun, ties the string to it, closes the door carefully, and then his wife and one last effort to like maybe stop someone from going through, puts the puts the chair up. Yeah. She's like, maybe this will stop them. Maybe they'll see this and think I shouldn't go in there. And so that's what I'm saying. And so, uh, he gets out of prison and he's like, he's like this, like I have to go back. He's like, he's like this doesn't seem fair. He's like he's like I don't think this is fair. He's like he's like I stole some antiques whatever. Yeah, I served my time. And he's like, but the whole thing that you did in my leg not cool. And so he calls up some lawyers and he's like I want to sue him, and so he takes them to court for battery. Uh, and it's like, you guys, it's not self defense. Yeah, And so he takes this to court. And what is interesting is this became like this lengthy thing that actually went to the Iowa Supreme Court for them to try to rule what what do we do with this case? Because a booby trap your house? Yeah, because at the end of the day, like in Iowa, you're allowed to use force, uh, standard ground state. Y. Yeah, well it's a standard ground state. But that only applies for life, right, But you can use force for property, but you can't take a life for property unless your life's threatened, you know, if that makes sense. Okay, So there's a level to your violence depending on what is being threatened. And so because there wasn't anyone living there and there was no one present at the time, there became the question of like, okay, is this a valid use of force property? Because yeah, because there's no one actually living in the house who was actually being threatened by Kaco. And so this became this really lengthy battle back and forth where they were saying, okay, if is the because it was a shotgun, is that where do we draw this line? Was the debate? Uh, And it ended up going back and forth all the way to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court justice ended up in Iowa ended up ruling in favor of Kaco, and Katko then got the whole uh damages plus like the emotional damage, and the Supreme Court justice said he like at tacked on an extra like twelve grand. So it ended up being like a fifty sixty grand case that they owed him after he broke in and robbed them because okay, because they wanted to make an example, because they're like, yeah, you can't booby drop your house, okay. And so they appeal and they try to take this back and they lose their appeal. They actually appeal I think three times, trying to appeal this case to no self defense. It's defensive property and you can't yeah yeah, booby trap it. Yeah. And so they end up basically saying the punishment doesn't fit the crime. What you did, like what you did, you took justice in your own manners, and you seriously at him and you deformed him for life over just some stuff that's true, some antique stuff that's true. And so this became a rule of line in Iowa and many other states across the country. Now, yes, I'll take my bear traps down. Well, that was the thing that they talked about, is Kako or the Brandy's defense talked about. CaCO kept calling it traps and the Brandy's were like, well, it's not traps because no one can just happen upon them. A trap is you you can just fall, like be walking in the woods and just happen upon this trap where this is like you have to be you have to have intent at that point, because you broke into the house. You're deep enough into the house you've got intent to cause harm. But it's not body harm, it's harmed to property. And so it ended up being this huge thing now to this day, it is this huge law school case where it's like a famous case in law school where they study it and they argue it and you have to argue both sides in law school even though you know the results. Well maybe they don't until they finished the assignment. I don't know. I don't know how that works. I've never been to law school. Yeah, I don't know if you can tell house is dilapidated. Uh but uh so the Britanny's end up having to pay this fine and they lose it. So he goes back to his house and he just litters it with shotguns. Just every door has a shot word on it. Yeah, Edward's just putting shotgun after shotgun. He's He's like, but I forget that didn't happen. I liked the idea of him like losing it and going on this he just paid it. Yeah, well, I don't know how, Like I'm sure they went on a payment plan and didn't actually pay it like most cases, they just paid the minimum payment every month. But yeah, so they lost that case and Kaka walked away with the cash in that. Yeah, that's the story. Oh all right, Well I was fifteen minutes, I was thirty. I was thirty. Yeah, it's thirty. You can vamp at. Yeah, so that is no wild. It's wild that he got out of jail and said I'm gonna sue him. Yeah, but I mean, honestly, once you've served jail and like you've done that, especially in like the sixties seventies, se do you want to do? You know, like, you what do you have to lose by not suing them? I guess, But I feel like the seventies was pre like sue mania. Yeah, so that was kind of like a big step to sue someone back then. I think I don't know, unless he had like a friend or somebody that was like a lawyer who was like, really they did. No one was home. I doubt, you know, unless someone presented that idea to him. Yeah maybe, I mean, who knows. He thought about going back to school and then getting a law degree and then just being a slazy lawyer. Yeah. I thought about going and like reading a bunch of law books to see who's wrong me and be like, oh, turns out that was a law I've thought about, like in my apartment in California. Yeah, I just thought about just tunneling into the mountain side and creating a TikTok where I can make some money. But then when the state finds out that I'm doing it, I have to stop and resort to thirst traps. I thought about it. I thought about doing that that our podcast, our podcast has been shadow band. Yeah trap, Oh my gosh, that's it. I'm telling you, when you think thirst trap, you're thinking the wrong thing. Whatever you're thinking of a thirst trap. It's not that I'm telling you. I'm telling you you have no idea what I'm talking about. Okay, it's just the best. It's the only word that exists to describe what it is. But it's not what it is you know, well, I'll tell you what I think. I actually think about people breaking into my house quite a bit. Why, Well, it's fear. Yeah, Now did you watch that. You watched that documentary of the couple right that the yeah with the swimmer you swimsuits, swim goggles. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, and the whole first episode. Did you know how it ended? Though? Yeah, I didn't know. So the whole first episode. We we finished the first episode of me and Ray were both just like, she's making this up. This is fake. This is so fake. It does seem fake. And then even the second episode you're like, this is fakey and the third episode they're like it's real, gotcha, And you're like oh yeah. And so there's a little bit of that that fear sometimes at any time someone could break in. Sure, But what do you think about this? People are I think that we live in an apartment, and I think that we are safer than people who like live in a house. Yeah. I think I think there's a sense that you can get away with more out of house because like in an apartment, it's like, oh, there's upstairs, meambers, there's downstairs. Yeah, there's like walls that Yeah, people can hear what's also you've been my apartment, Like we're kind of not off the main road, but we're like up off the main road. Yours is a little bit more like hidden up, kind of secret your way in there. Yeah. Yeah, there's some some nooks and cram brown or cloth spiders. We got them out there. Did you know that I killed one yesterday? Yeah, that's rough I heard. Yeah, so I'm setting some traps, right because I don't want the problem is like a cat's right. But I also so I've got a shotgun it every day. Well, my wife has a d D and she forgets that they're there. And so my wife has been shot four times. Yeah I know it wasn't for her. Spiders all right, Anyway, what would you do so one brace in your house? Now, Yeah, we've talked about this. I'd run down the hallway full speed. That's assuming they're down where they break in in this scenario, your back door, any door, any door door with the way my house is set up where they break up. Yeah, where no matter where they break in, I'm running down that hall shirtless. Oh okay, and hopefully the sight of me in the pitch darkness, sprinting down that all shirtless, barefoot is enough to make them say, Oh, I gotta get out of here. Oh I gotta get out of here. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm gonna be honest with you. Once I get there, I don't know what I'm doing. Hey, if you liked that episode, here's what these people should have done. Okay, we have an episode about the Watcher of six five seven Boulevard. Now, these people moved into a house and they started receiving letters from a mysterious figure who called themselves the Watcher of that house. And it served it was ominous, it was threatening letters, and this is where I would have personally just burned the house down. But they should have started booby trapping it because this person was writing letters and kind of claiming that they were getting inside the house. So it's a very weird, creepy story. Netflix did a whole movie on it. They really embellished the story though, but we talk about all the theories, all the possibilities of who it could have been. It was one of my favorite episodes, So go check that out. If you can't wait until next week when we have a brand new episode on Tuesday, you can watch next week's episode right now. By supporting us on Patreon, that's a way to help us keep making great episodes, and you get early access to that content. So if you decide to do that, that episode's available right now. If not, we'll see you next week on Things ear The Last Night


Edward and Bertha Briney were a couple who inherited an old family farmhouse in rural Iowa back in the 1960s. They didn’t live there themselves but wanted to keep it for sentimental reasons and to store family heirlooms. Over the years, as the house fell into disrepair, it became a spot for local teens to break into – some just … Read More

How a Bartender Used a Glitch to Take Millions From an ATM

07-16-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, In this episode, we're learning about a guy named Dan Saunders. Dan was a guy who figured out a pretty wild glitch in an ATM and lived a pretty insane lifestyle. You're not gonna believe this. This is a bonkers episode. Hey, if you're here for the first time, this is things out than last Night. It's a comedy podcast where we learn a little bit of stuff, but we actually just laugh most of the time, and so it's gonna be a lot of fun. You're gonna laugh a lot, I hope, maybe you're gonna learn a little. But we're gonna jump right into this week's episode. Hey, man, what's going on? Hey? Have you ever heard of Dan Saunders as uh from Australia? Actually? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know this story? Yeah? Do you know this story? Oh yeah, shut you know this story? Do you story Bartender? Yeah? Well that's well, yeah, he is he while he starts as one and then he kind of has a career evolution. Let's see if you can guess. Here's a picture of him. Uh, this is Dan Suners. Okay, well here's another picture of him. This is a I mean probably Bartender era. Yeah. I don't know how many bartenders. Do you know that where aprons like that though? Is that an Australian thing? Well, I mean probably not at the bars that you go to, but and not the ones I go to either, because I don't know that as a Christian comedian who's never frequented anywhere public, any other place to be, you don't see any text on the savor. This from this angle up looks like a cracker barrel employee. That's true. That's true. Yeah, he could be. He could be like a Starbucks employee. I took you that they changed the color of that pub next to our house in California. No, I didn't know. You didn't. You've only been out there one time. Yeah, I was there for twelve hours, so you know that's fine. And I don't know what that was supposed to be. Just in fighted you out and literally twice couldn't and I came. One of them couldn't even give me the time of day. But anyway, the Irish pub at my house, they wear aprons and stuff. Like the restaurant that that Ray worked at. She had to wear a tie. Even though it's like not a fancy interesting it's kind of like the U should wear a white button up with a black tie, and I had to have at least fifteen buttons on it, fifteen pieces of flair. I don't know if that was something borrowed, something blue. What are you talking about? You seen off of space? Oh? Okay, okay, here's another picture. Maybe this will help you start to understand the story. Here's here's what's interesting to me about this picture. He's outside of a coals and that's so I mean, I guess, I guess in theory, there has to be coals in Paris. What he's outside of a coal? Yeah? I look behind him. That's clearly a coals right there, that's the coals, and then the Eiffel towers hind it, that's the coals. He's on a hill in front of a coals parking lot. That's clearly that looks Okay, are you seeing it better? Now? Now make the decision of whether you're gonna double down or like this. This to me looks just like our video we shot at Cole's quick question about what you did on your your bookshelf? Behind you? You just go get the cheapest, dumbest trade show display plastics that you could. You just went to office. We spent all your rewards at office depot on. I don't think we read we Willy won we will we Willy Winky. We read this and Bono's content that I'm pretty sure we never released, and it's been on this shelf for a year years, just sitting behind us back there. Yeah. Anyway, well it was kind of falling over, so I got some stuff to make it not fall over. And then this fell over and now it doesn't have the glass. Oh that's what fell. Yeah, that's sad. Tim punched him. Sometimes I'm just angry at that. Okay, so here he is. You know that we we we can interview this guy. We need I told you this, Yeah, we need to reach back out. Sorry. Oh I saw an ad yesterday. I saw an ad yesterday. But Frankie mune is showing off his new hair after he got Oh yeah, I think maybe plugs plugs And I was like, dang, I should do that. You think the ad worked on me, I'm not here. Frankie Munas was balder than me. Yeah, there's that. There's that Kin City influencer guy Andrew whatever his name is. He just did it. I sent you his stuff. Remember his face? Well oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And I said you should do this just for the content. Yeah, you need to do it for your hair, but also I want to see your face. We just did what I was saying, Uh, the person the blue frame this right here. Yeah. His wife messaged me on Instagram and was like, Hey, that's my husband. Why do you have my husband on your wall? Oh? She said he did. He did. This is like thing for this photographer, and they sold the hobby lobby and now he's like in all these stuff. So yeah, all these podcasters just it looks like a very two thousand and seven youth pastor. He really does. Was he did you ask? I haven't. I was saving there for the interview? Okay, cool, well we'll bring that back anyways. Anyway, So he's not This is Damon. This is the Coles in front of Niffel Towers. Okay, but maybe these pictures will start to get you into the right mindset of who he became. He became. Here's one, it's a little Glory. Here's another. Is this Roy from the office. He does look like Roy. Here's another. Here's another. Oh okay, we got the eyes covered up here, So that's that's that's a pop punk album that actually does Yeah, like a like a two thousand and nine give you the scratch? What other pictures we had? And we've got here he is okay, private jet, this is a this is a heist. And then we've got frauds. Here's the private jet with some ladies, and then here's a limo, different ladies with different ladies and some champagne. So this is there's a camera crew of following him. So he's like, a he this is a fraud. You think it's a fraud. Why would the camera crew being falling him? Then because he's rich. And then later we get found out that he got it all fraudulently, fraudulently fraud Wait is this like this name sounds similar to me. I feel like it's gonna be one of those things like Elizabeth Holmes where it's like, you know, Elizabeth Holmes is, Yeah, she was that girl that was kidnapped, doesn't child it's Elizabeth Smart. Elizabeth Holmes was the was the girl girl, lady woman woman who faked the whole blood test stuff? Yeah? What was that coming with Paranosse? Yeah? And so I imagine that this would be like that, not even close cool uh so, Dance Saunders. He was if you're having trouble picturing and uh Roy from the office would play this guy in a yeah, one hundred percent biopic one hundred percent, so Dance sunders. He's from the town of Wangarata, Australia. Yeah, have you heard of that? Yep? Have you ever been? H The only place in Australia I went. You said, you said, where in Australia should we go? Wangaradag It's like it's like southern southern Australia, probably like an hour maybe two hours outside of Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne, that's how they say it, right, So he it's like a smaller town, not like it's crazy how much people don't live in Australia, you know, like the populated areas are all along the coast obviously, but then everything else is just like well because the inside of wasteland, Yeah, the nuclear wards was what happened. Oh, speaking of I saw this thing yesterday about Tartaria, Okay, and we might have said this in the episode and I forgot about it. So maybe our listeners will be like, you idiot, you said this. But I've always wondered ever since we put that out. That episode has been one of our higher performing ones on YouTube, sure, and the comments are are vicious. People hate us because we because we don't believe it, and they really do. And I've always been like, this is such a weird conspiracy to get so passionate about. But I've always thought it was so strange that people got so fired up and passionate about Tartaria. Well, I saw this thing yesterday on TikTok. A Tartaria video came up and this Tartaria truther was talking about it. And I don't know if I found this part of the story when we did the episode on it, but he was talking about it as Tartaria the Kingdom of Tartaria was the millennial reign of Christ from the Book of Revelation, and now we're in the post millennium period. And that's why they're covering it up because I feel like you mentioned it. Maybe I did because I saw that, and I was like, Oh, that's why they care so much, because they think, oh, now it makes sense. Actually I believe in and now now I know that it's the millennial reign of Christ. I just oh, I saw it. I've always just been like, what a stupid thing to be so passionate about. And then now I'm like, well it's a religious thing for people. Now that makes sense to me. Before it didn't make sense. Why people keep talking? Really, you know, it's a stupid thing for someone to care about. No, let's really truers, I've not made it this far. If they're still watching, they're not. Does this shirt make me look shirtless? Because it blends in with my skin color? Do you think anyone's watching being like you just look that good shirtless? It's a cream colored sweatshirt. What they do with his nipples? Sk sweatshirt? I took a nipples? Who took him? Who took him? Anyway? Go on? Dana was born in when Garada, three hours north of Melbourne. Looked it up, and so he's did it was just the next sentence. It was just the next sentence, wasn't it. You're reading the bio born in Wikatonka, whatever it's called, and you were like, I think it's like an hour from Melbourne and the next sentence as you just read the next sentence six three hours from Melbourne. That what happened? That's a harvardent. What happened? I saw it happen. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you're right. I think it's like an hour, three hours. Just the confidence. Dude, you got one job and it's to do the research. I did it last night. I don't it's not a bunch okay. So okay, okay. So he's twenty nine years old. Sure, he's working as a bartender at a local bar, a local a local pub. Twenty. I do enjoy stories that started around our age because that means I could have this life soon, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, this could happen to you. Maybe. So I was born about three hours from Kansas City. Hey, I think it was more like an hour. If I had to guess the hour. If I had to guess, I had to guess, oh three okay. No. So he's working as a bartender, and as he does most nights, he clocks out, calls up his buddies, they go out drinking. Sure, he says, I've had a long night of giving people drinks. I need some of my own. And so he goes out, starts, look on your face is just sketching me out, Like you've got like you're up to something, Like you've got a plan right now, and you're about to expect it. You know what my plan is? What is to listen to you describe the topic of this episode. Interjected a few jokes when I can, because that's what this podcast is, all right. It's a comedy podcast where Tim teaches us stuff. All right. So and every week we sit down, we learned about a fascinating topic that Tim has barely researched. Thanks. So he uh, he goes out with a couple of friends. They're having drinks and they're doing that thing where it's like you buy around, I'll buy around, you buy around, I'll buy around, you buy around. And then he opens up his wall and he's like, oh, I'm out of cash. You gotta buy this. And so he's like he's like, I'm gonna hit the ATM real quick. And so he walks outside this isn't looking for the ATMs, finds himself across from an elderly woman. Then he goes, I could probably beat her up. Take her cash. He takes her cash. I think, I don't know, I probably could have waited for the next sentence, but I was just kind of guess this is pretty confident. This was going close. He sees an atm for the National National Australian Bank, and ab walks over to it. Uh, and he's got a problem right now because he's like, he's like, well, he's engaged and him and his fiance got some cash in the checking account. But he's like, if I take cash out of the checking account, she's gonna know I've been out drinking really late tonight before. And then he's like, he's like, I could take it from the credit card. And my wife doesn't know how much money we have at all. You run the finances in your house. Yeah, yeah, we're but like she knows, yeah, she yeah, she's very aware. My wife couldn't tell you if we have seven dollars or seven million dollars. Yeah, my wife keeps keeps a close eye, okay, because she doesn't trust me. Now, we we were very like egalitarian. Yeah, we have a joint account, but we also still have our own accounts and so like we're very yeah, we're very together, but separate millennial. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, Bill's account and then checking account, and then yeah, they're like it's kind of like if you had envelopes and you put cash in your envelopes for I don't know, groceries. Another below for gas. Take a guess saving I guess Okay, So he checks his, he checks his. Here's the issue, here's the issue he asked. He can't take from the checking. His credit card is over balanced, so he can't take any credit. So his only option, his only option is a savings account. Problem. His savings account only has three dollars in it, and so he's like the withdrawal and so he's like a bummer. And then he's like, he's like, well, he's a little tipsy, and so he's like, I'm gonna try something. And so he's like he puts the gun at the ATM. He's like, give me. He doesn't understand you understand robbery, doesn't understand theft at all. He's like, yell, you know what I saw I take up the other day is how lucky. I saw how lucky rich people are. That money isn't a tangible thing anymore. Yeah, have you seen that? No ever thought about that before? No, when rich people when it used to be gold, like hold it all and then you would just go storm the building and take all that and take Yeah. If you yeah, you can't like rob someone, if you can't go rob someone's offshore account. Yeah, that's not an option. You can't point your gun to the ATM and be like, give me all your money. Yeah, that's what he tried. It don't work, and so instead what he did type in random accounting account numbers. Well, so what he tried is he said, he's like, what if I He's like, he's like, I'm just take a shot in the dark. He's a low tips here. So he does bounce transfer two hundred dollars from his credit to his savings account. Why he thinks this is gonna work. Anybody's guessed and says he gets an error and it says transaction failed and his car gets ejected and he's like, looks and the money's in there. Well, then he puts his card in and he checks his savings account balance and still three dollars and he's like, what the heck? And he's like, withdraw two hundred dollars and it spits out two hundred dollars cash, and he's like interesting, and so then he's like, tries again. So he's just found this one ATM. So it spits out cash. What if that's the secret. So he does so he goes and he goes from credit card to savings four hundred dollars, transaction failed, spits out the card, puts the card back in with draw from savings four hundred dollars and it spits out four hundred dollars. Does it with six hundred dollars and it works six hundred, eight hundred dollars worth the eight hundred dollars did he try and not do the credit card thing, just to see if it was just if you withdraw. And then at the end of all this he checks the bounars three dollars staying with the count and and so he's like okay, And so next morning it's all going to get So he goes back. So he goes back to the bar and he's like, he's like, understand, how okay. He goes back to the bar. He's like, he's like, drinks on me. There's like nine people in this bar. It small Australian town, and they spent all seventeen. So he stays out till the wee hours of the morning and then goes home. On his way home, he walks back by that ATM and so plaster drunk blowing kisses the ATM ATM he's like, he's leading over. He's like, hey, so like where you where you go from here? You know you're going home and he's staying out, like what are you doing? Na? Nap, it's me nabby over here, na na bottom of how people pronounce it. Uh. And so he checks, he checks ATM checks his saving account bounds three dollars right, check his credit card balance hasn't changed, and so he's like, interesting, what year is this? Twenty eleven? He goes home, okay, says for the night, waste of the morning, it's the ATM. And of course, oh god, You're like, get down the street. You're like, please be a drink, please be a drinking, please be a dream please please please be hot, Please be hot, please be hot? See and you go, was I flirting with an ATM the whole time? So he goes, he gets to the ATM uh and so he gets the balance on his savings account three dollars, two thousand dollars in the negative, nineteen ninety seven negative, nineteen ninety seven, and he's like, he's like shoot, He's like, well that didn't work. So he goes tork and he's servant, drinks a little stressed at at work, and he's thinking in his head and he starts to slow the whole nineteen hundred dollars, yeah, and he starts, so he starts to piece together a little theory in his head. He's like, he's like, I wonder. He's like, for some reason, in between midnight and one am, I was able to go in and I was able to pull money from my credit card into savings without it recognizing what was happening. It didn't it failed, but it didn't fail, and it never balanced my account until the next day. It balanced my account with what the balance was. And he was like, he's like, I wonder if I go back tonight at midnight and go and I pull four thousand, if it would put me two thousand in the black. So that way, i'd the two thousand below, he'd get them back to three and then pull another two thousand, and he'd be two thousand of the bus. And he's like, he's like, this is interesting. He's like, this, this will this will make me This certainly won't put me five nine hundred and ninety seven dollars in the hole right right like this clearly, so he she wouldn't do that you know what I'm saying, she's not like that. You don't know where, Like, that's not that's that's not that's not his plan. It's not it's not stupid. He sounds stupid. He thinks he thinks that he found a glitch, and he says he didn't. Though he didn't find a glitch, he thinks he might have found a glitch. And what he's gonna just using to save his account as a line of credit now, So he thinks he found this glitch. And what he's gonna do is he's gonna give himself the Caleb Hammer. He's going to give himself two thousand Caleb Hammer. He's the Dave Ramsey for millennials. Yeah, like this, what do you mean? He goes, what are you mean? That is so accurate rams old times? Like man better than I deserve cams? Like I don't think you deserved the man? Are you stupid? He says that all the time. Why do you have a truck? You can't afford tackle bell. So his theory, he has a theory that is broken. He's not saying if I double it, I'm fine. He says, if I can get two thousand in the black, then I can take those two thousand. We have a tab branch in my pub, which is a horse betting branch, and he's like, I can bet that two thousand and make up that deficit. So he is stupid, I mean, yeah, but he's not. He's not stupid in the way you thought he was stupid. He's stupid dummer in a whole other way. Okay. So he's like, he's like, if I take that two thousand, I can double it. I can get myself back to zero. So he goes and he makes one hundred and thirty one million. So he goes, he goes back, he gets off a shift, goes back to that ATM and he's like, ah, how you doing going now get to the park. It's the part about the horses. I like horses. He transfers the horses. What was the horse's name, He transfers the two thousand over okay, checks his balance three dollars and he's like, oh, it work, it's working. It's not working. And then he transfers another two thousand and he's got two thousand and three dollars okay. So he goes back to the pub and he starts betting on horse races and just gets obliterated, loses all the money, goes back to zero, and he says, what's his balance the next day, tim So he goes and now he's negative four thousand the next day. A better plan than what I thought he was doing. At least, you're like trying to make the money back. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so now his balance is three and ninety seven dollars. Yeah yeah. So he goes back the next night, and the next night he says, oh, here he drew four thousands, he'd be five thousand. No, because he was nineteen ninety seven negative, and he pulled another two thousand on top of that. Thirty nine ninety seven. Yes, that's where he's at. But then he put that in the account to put him at at three dollars. So then he pulled another two thousand. Well, he hasn't done that yet, so he was at nineteen ninety seven. He pulled two thousand again three pulled another two thousand to get him over. So now he'd be five if when it all settles, he'll be five thousand, nine thirty nine, Timothy, you put two he's at on top of the existing two Timothy, he is at nineteen ninety seven yes, negative, Yes, one thousand, nine hundred and ninety seven dollars. Okay. He withdraws two thousand dollars. Yes, that puts him at three thousand, nine hundred ninety seven dollars in the hole. Yes, he would draws another two thousand. What does that put him at? That's four thousand. The confidence that you just said that made me want the rage in my body right now. No, you're right, you're right. The amount of time you will waste on a podcast just to avoid me being correct is infuriating. I'll tell you that these people have lives, they're waiting on us to tell him a story, and you're your whole. I can't be wrong. I can't be wrong about stuff. No, it's not okay. So so look back at this video. So he goes and he's like, there's a limit to what he can bet on the horse races. So he calls up his buddies and he looks at it. He's in the hole. So he goes back that night, gets himself back to three dollars. I was drawing six thousand dollars. I bet he doubles that withdrawal, so that way he could have cash to work with. And then he calls up his buddy where would he be at? Then Tim, let's win this all settles. Now he's at what twelve seventeen? Jeez? Yeah, So he's getting deep. So he calls up his buddies and he's like, he's like, how do you? How do you? How does anybody? This stresses me out, So he calls up his buddies. He's like, guys, we're gambling to someone can get drunk, flirt with an ATM and end up eighteen thousand dollars in debt is crazy, But I guess I did that with a girl an Evangel. I paid a lot of money to go flirt with some girls at evangel for a couple semesters and then married to Missouri state girl. So yeah, waste of brutal the moral jes River, but I married the Missouri state girl. The moral the lesson was just go to the state school, to the state school, go to state schools. Yeah. None of the girls at the Christian College were good enough for me. So in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like, hey, sign up for Grammarly and use code tilling and we got like fifteen cents, and now we just do Patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators, it's better for you as listeners, and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on Zoom. We just hang out and play games online and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So but still use our code tilling at grammarly dot com because I think it's still like it. We might get like a couple cents from that, But join us on Patrion because we're having a great time. If you don't, we're going to have to start doing mobile game ads. So he calls up a group of his friends and there's five of them. It's married. You married a Missouri state girl too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, everyone out of Angel was worried about me. Whoa, whoa, I guess yeah. They're like, oh, he's going to go hang out at their library. What's he going to learn about there? They haven't banned any of the books in that library. So uh. He calls up a group of his friends. Great group of friends, it's him, Dan Mark, Mike Ron, I think, and Avon Judas. So they go they go back to the bar. Okay, He's like, guy's great news. I have a lot of money. We can gamble with you. Guys can whatever bets you make, you can keep a cut. And so he's like trying to use them to help him get back to the positive. This goes on for a few nights and he's kind of going up and down, fluctuating up and down. He's able to make some deposits, makes some headway, but in the long run, really because every night basically because you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, is this over a weekend? This is like a week that is going on where we're at right now. But like there's a Monday involved, is what I'm saying. Yeah, there is a Monday. There's office hours involved. Someone is seeing the ledger on his negative. Yeah, there's how is the ATM letting this happen? Who knows? Mate? Yeah? So okay, So he's making a little bit of headway from winnings, but I guess pretty much free pretty much he's doubling his debt every day because yeah, because he's going in and he's having to get every day, is in like he ends up like thirty four thousand pretty much. Yeah, how much death did he go into We'll get to that. So this is going, this is going, and then he gets called into work outside of his shift. They're like, hey, you need to come in. We've got a question from police. Are here, And so his boss is there and they have a representative from TAB on the phone, the gambling organization, and basically they were like, hey, we've noticed that you've been gambling a lot, like like a lot, way more like way more than normally happens at this branch. You want to sell the film crew down, and and so, long story short, his boss realizes that he's gambling during work hours because of this. Uh. And then also for some reason, TAB was like, you're way past the limit of what you're allowed to do because like someone else is betting on his behalf. Yeah, so he gets allowed to do so, he gets banned from gambling at any TAB branch, and he also gets fired from his job. His fiance finds out about this, texts him and she immediately is like she finds out it's like some something like that, something like thirty thousand dollars he's gambling, and she immediately is like, we don't have thirty thousand dollars? How is this happening? So she just texts them and through a text message they've been together for four years during engages and she's like, I don't know what you're into. I don't want any part of it. It's over. And that's how his engagement gets broken off because she just assumes it's gonna be. Like, so you're saying, I'm a single man. Oh, Nobby, I don't like Nabby. It should be Hobby is not good, Nobby not me. Sounds like he's making out with an elf. All right, come here, Nabby, Nobby, he's a free LF. So no job? Yea, like probably thirty thousand dollars in debt at this point. Sure, no fiance, he's like at his lowest point. Yeah. He calls up his buddy Mark and he's like he's like, hey, I think I need a weekend away. Let's go to Melbourne? Did I say that? Right? Melbourne? And Mark's like, you can't afford to go anywhere, dude, and that a good friend would say. Mark's like, bro sounds sick. Let's do it, Yeah, dude, let's take our wife, should we have jeer no so Mark, and then they go to Melbourne for the weekend. Uh. They try to check into a hotel and the hotel's like, we don't want you here. They literally turn them away. They look at them. They go to like it was like a resort, like a five star resort hotel, and they look at them and they're like, you can't come here. And so they go to another hotel like a Crown Plaza and they check into this Crown Plaza and down Plaza is a good hotel. That's not I'm not no, I'm not saying it's not. And so this for them, they went to aza for for them, now, this Crown Plaza is the nicest experience of their life. Like they're like, holy cow, this is the high life. It's downtown. They open up the blinds, they see the city. Oh wow, the luxury. It's the city all right, uh and so so beautiful. I don't miss her at all. So uh so he is like, hey, let's go gamble. There's casinos here. Okay, great, I have thirty thousand dollars. So he goes down. He goes down one ATM right, like he can do this in any ATM. So He goes down and this is his first time trying. He tries, he finds an N A B A TM and he feels like he's like, Nabby, are you here too? In the ATM is like I'm nappy. He's like, he'll do this, He'll do so he tries and it works, and so they go to the This is on the bank at this point. They go to the casino and he's like, he's like, we're gonna win this cash back. His friend doesn't know what's going on. His friend's just like he's like, like, bro, we got a room. We're thirty thousand dollars. I'm gonna win this and her bank and his friend's like, I thought we were I thought we were just hanging out for the weekend. I thought we were just going away. Yeah, you seem you see he's like seventy five hundred on Black said, what are you saying? That's okay? You just lost your job, bro, I was thinking about putting like one hundred dollars in a slot. Man. Yeah, this is a little more than I expected this weekend. There's not going to get us there. It's not going to get us there. No, No, it's like fifteen thousand dollars black. Hey, don't talk to her anyway, the ATM. Don't reduce her to that am. She's got a name mark. It's nab ATM's her last name. Don't be so formal, Hello, miss ATM. Mister ATM's her father. So they gamble the weeknd away. Yeah, same thing, like a little bit of headway, a little bit of loss. No, And so he at this point in the story, he realizes, as long as he gets back that next night by midnight to get in and double that account, then he's he's going to stay golden because it's never going to actually hit zero. It's never gonna register that he's negative. He's like, if I get if I make it every night in that midnight to one am window, no one at the bank's going to find out that I'm doing this. And so as long as he just keeps that ruse going, he's fine. But he has to Yes, yes, he's double game every Yeah, he doubles it every time, every night, every night. He has to double it to stay on top. Tim I know how fast I can get out of hand. So he's doing this, he's doing this in my roulette strategy. Strategy, No you put three dollars on you know, red, black, even odd whatever. This is just in the app. I don't actually gamble, but like you put like red, like three dollars on red, and then so if you win, you just put another three dollars on red. Yeah right, But if you lose, you double it. You do six dollars. Yeah, because then when you win that you're twelve dollars. But you've only bet nine, so you've made your You've made three dollars. Yeah yeah, but you if you lose again, you put twelve. Yeah, in twenty four, in forty eight. Yeah, and I know how fast that spent, because like there's a couple times where I've hit twenty four dollars and I lost, and I go, okay, now I've I've lost a lot more than and so I can't keep going yeah. Yeah, So that's what he's doing with his bank. That's what I'm saying. It gets It's causing me to stress out right now thinking about it. Yeah, it should, it should, so freaking Sunday Sunday Night more a love. I feel like this is an episode where we have to put that one one hundred number at the beginning, you know, I'm talking about actually, if you have a gambling problem called one, listen to this makes your blood ress. So Mark Sunday rolls around and Mark's like, I gotta go back to work. Are you going home? And he's like he's like, no, it's gonna stay live here now, I'm going to stay. I'm just I want to stay at the hotel, stay here a little longer. And so Mark's like, okay, buddy, I want to take the train home back to Wiggly Town. Wiggly three hours from Yeah, it's about an hour from here, maybe two Waitta, possibly three if you're in the facts and information. But I'm going to head back to wink Winkleville. So he goes home, but he's like, he's like, call me if you're need some Wayne Garata. Okay uh. And so he stays in Melbourne and so the next night rolls around, he does the same game, and he's like, he's like, do I know anyone in Melbourne? This guy ends up we run the numbers, he's doing the math. This guy ends up thirteen million dollars in the whole jeez. So he's like he's like, who do I know in Melbourne? And it's like, oh yeah, my childhood friend Richard. Oh ye out here, the Prime Minister. I heard him. Who do I know? In DC? Joe Biden. I hit up my friend Joe all the time. Every time I'm in DC, I go Joe, Anyboddy, I don't know you, like he goes, He goes, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, Dad, it's it's me Dad. He goes, oh, oh my gosh. She pretends yeah, because that's too awkward. I feel like it's like he's like, yeah, you will always have to pretend, oh yeah you Anybody ever comes up to you and they go, yeah, I'm like your cousin, you have to like, yeah, that's way too That is that's the appropriate way we should scan people. That's the appropriate way to get close to somebody, because it's close enough that it's like you should know who I am. Yeah, it's far enough away that it's kind of hard to verify that, Yeah, you don't know for sure, especially off that cuff, especially if you can, especially in Utah where people have like twelve siblings, that was kind of that wasn't the perfect place there was that's a perfect place to play that My parents would be like at our Amish country. My mom's only got one brother. Yeah, so who are you? Yeah, she's got more. Yeah. Interesting. So he calls up his buddy Richard and he's like he's like, my buddy Richard moved out here after high school. So he calls him up. He's like, he's like, hey, man, I'm in Melbourne. You got in one of those calls when we went to high school with have you No. I don't think a couple of calls from people that it's pretty clear, like within the first thirty seconds, right, yeah, like hey dude, how are you? Man? Yeah, I'm pretty good, dude, how are you? Like? Oh man, you know, just crushing you know, great Greger. And then there's always like can we catch up? And no, that guy, that guy did call me ye who pitched me on the the amway stuff, And I tell you what I did do him on the phone. He called me literally two weeks ago maybe and he's like, hey, man, you know I'm next time you can't see I love to hang out. And I was like, I was like, man, I don't know if we've seen each other since that time in Springfield. He's like yeah, yeah, man, I was driving through I remember that I was like, yeah, you pitched me on your amway stuff and he went I was like, I remember that super clearly. It was very weird. Yeah. I was like, are you still doing that? And he's like he's like, actually, yeah, I am. I was what I was thinking we could meet up about. I hate it anyway I've had I've had a couple of calls from people who are like, mind me, yeah, forty bucks. Yeah, so kind of similar. He calls I always I'm very charitable. He's like, he's like, hey, Richard, and I also know that if I send him the money and then I report the transaction and it's a scam back double it and do so why just do that? So he calls me jerdy. He's like, he's like, hey, man, what are you doing tonight? Drinks on me? And he's like he's like, all right, well, drinks are on you. I mean, I've got my wife and kids here, but I mean drinks are on you. Yeah, see you later. So they go out, they hit the casino. They do it, not a gambling, they drink and then at the end of the night, Dan is like, you want to see something cool, let me show you my at can I introduce you to somebody. I love the bit. That's really funny. And so this is the first person he's told about this, yeah, which is the person who goes, hey, man, this is pretty messed up. So he takes Richard to the ATM and he's like, he does five hundred dollars, does this with five hundred dollars, shows it to him and he's like, he's like is that cool? And he's like he's like, it's like, wait a second, I don't understand, like what happened. And he does it again and they're five hundred and they've got a thousand, and he's like, took your balance and he's like he's like, that's not crediting, like it's not showing. And he's like, no, he's doing it no to his own account. Oh okay, and he's like he's like he's like he's like no, dude, it's like free money. And he's like he's like, I just got to make sure i'm back here by midnight tomorrow and double it and we're good, and he's like he's like, so here's what I'm doing. So they go back to the hotel and Richard is like blown away by this how is Dan keeping track of how much he is? You know, I actually don't know. I haven't seen anything that like verifies how that works. So they go back to the hotel and he's like, he's like, yeah, so here's the deal. He's like, he's like, I've been doing this and he's like, so I'm gambling to try to make back the deficit so I could keep myself back to zero. And Richard looks at him and he's like, he's like should No. He's like, he's like, why are you gambling? He's like, you can just print money, just go back every night and just double it, and you just have the money. There's no reason to gamble, Like, just keep doing it. And Dan's like, so you found it, which is exactly what you want if you have an addictive person, is just somewhere to go. This is great. This is kind of the best, which is what our Patreon supporters are to us, because we're doing a bad thing here on this podcast by doing this. It's a waste of your time, my time for sure. Yeah, but you guys enable this, so thank you for who you are. So he calls up his crew from back home that was gambling with him, and he's like Mark, Mark vacuum acorn, Yeah, Mark, Mike, I think We'ron and Avon Avon Yeah, and uh, Mike and Ron are like, this is weird. We're not involved, Mark and Avon. We're like, we're catching the next train. We're coming down. And they He's basically like, hey, guys, we can have as much money as we want. And so he tells he lets them in on the secret, and they all pretty much just they get rooms in this hotel and they just decide this is our life now. And so every night at midnight, they've got alarms on all their phones, and Dan goes to the ATM at midnight and does the transfer to get them back in the positive. That amount of money they're duffel bagging cash. Yeah, so this is he's now moving six figures at a time. So to go down and back, you were like, whoa for my guess, man, if it's a thirteen point seven million dollars, I feel pretty confident with that figure. So now they're just living this high life, and it's they're not gambling to make up the deficit anymore. They're gambling for fun now. And then they're they're doing spa days, they're getting private jets to cities all over the world. They're going to they're getting Louis Vauton bags, they're getting like tailored suits, like just living a high life, high life, and they're also like like there are they're like benders. Every night they're going out and they're buying drinks for everybody in the c and not realize that eventually he's thirteen million dollars in the hole, Like you don't like, I think he I think he knew this whole time. He's which I mean, I guess it's I think that was Richar's point. I think Richard was like the years, what you do in jail for this? I think Richard I think that was Richard's point. Richard's like, bro, you can't. You're never going to make this up gambling, and he's like, he's like, so let's just freaking gun it until you choices. I think that was his point. It's like, let's just freaking go for it and just live live it up while we can't and you're gonna get caught. And he's like, he's like, you know, and what I love for the other guys is that this is all on damns yeah, and the other guys are like, let's freaking goal, maybe make it twelve. It's all damn you guys. Do you guys want to Philadelphia, Role California roam four of each And so they're going, They're buying food for everyone everywhere they go, and they he is in this He's becoming a sort of a weird version of like a shoot, what's that guy's name? I'm drawing a blanket. I was gonna say, Peter Pan. What's that's not? Right? At the hotel? His robe at midnight down at the at M Peter Pan. He makes everyone of the hotel called Peter Pan. Where's these green dice? Call me Peter? As the guying Oh. So what he does is he goes around and like he buys a hotel stay for the on House community in Melbourne. He's walking around and he's like staying stay in this room. And so he's just booking rooms for them, buying meals, and then like he's going and like meeting people in town. He met a couple in town, uh, an elderly couple that was on vacation and they were like, yeah, we've always wanted to go to Hawaii, but we're here in Melbourne because we couldn't afford to leave the country. And he's like, he's like, you guys want to go to Hawaii. He's like, I'll fly you there tomorrow. And so he flies on private to Hawaii the next day for a vacation, pays for the whole thing, pays for the entire vacation for them, and like just doing stuff like this, NonStop buying people's meals, buying people's hotels, stays, going places and buying everyone's streets. He would go to luxury restaurants where everybody there can pay for their own food, and he's just like he's like, put everyone's meal on my tab. And so he's just like uber high rolling it for the sake of high rolling it. And sometimes it's like people who actually need help. But a lot of times it's just like he's just kind of flexing on people. And so like one of those luxury restaurants he shows up, but couldn't isn't there a world where you trying to think of how he could make this money back? I mean, at a certain point, you're pulling so much, you got invest in and you probably, yeah, you probably could make that back. Legally. Yeah, but I mean and once you have enough, you're just hoping that you don't get caught with the bag. Yeah, yeah, because that's the difficulty. What he is doing is that's the difficult thing. Is you have to double the amount. You have to double the amount every night, and so you have to if you're investing, you probably can't realize the return on that investment before that balloons because every night you're doubling what you're in the hole, right and so, and they're not gonna let you do a million dollars yeah. Uh, And so he's doing this night after night. Uh oh, he's how much cash is in an ATM? That's a good question. I don't know. I know that he was able to move. I know from reports that he was moving one hundred thousand dollars or six figures at a time, is what they said. What that what's the cap of six figures out of time? Is that's the peak? The peak was he was moving six figures at a time. Okay, So I'm assuming he was pulling six figures in cash out if that's the case, right, which is crazy. Yeah, I don't know. It depends on the A team, but I will say, maybe this is because at a certain point, eight teams are kind of slow at a certain point. Here's here's what I will say, this is probably he probably wasn't using the teams because a certain point he actually went into a branch and he's like, I wonder if I could just do this to the branch. And so he walked into a branch one day and was like, yeah, I like to withdraw a hundred thousand dollars from my savings account. And he said that. They went in and they were gone for a while in the back, and then they came back with Duffel bags one hundred thousand dollars. They're like, here you go, sir, and he walked out of there and he was like, He's like huh. And so the bank has no idea what's going on? Is the moral of the story there? And so eventually he starts just going into the branch every day, and so he's doing the thing with the atm at night, he's getting the cash from the branch in the morning, just directly from the branch in the morning, and he's getting calls from the bank this whole time. They're like, hey, did you just spend thirty thousand dollars at Louis VUTANI'SID, Yeah, that's me, and they're like, Okay, thank you sir, thanks for banking with us, and like they clearly have no clue what's going on. Uh. He's at one of those luxury restaurants, pays for the bill of the whole restaurant and the server is like a reporter. The server is like, are you the richest person in Australia And he says he said this in interviews later he sat and he thought about it, and he's like, he's like, I can think of the top six richest people in the country off the top of my head. And so he's like he's like, I can't tell him I'm the richest, and so he turns back to him. He's like, I'm the seventh richest. And the guy was like, wow, cool guy, I get a picture of you. Okay. Someone took a picture of me in Kansas City for the same reason the richest person person. And I was like, do I look? I was like, I was like, I'm the seven hundredth because you know that rich people look bad, right, yeah? But what they don't dress well? I mean, depending on the rich person I mean, I live in Los Angeles. The richest of the rich people in the world live there. Team them. Here's the thing, here's the thing they wear. They wear very expensive clothes that don't look great. True, they look they're very very It's a seven thousand dollars shirt, but it looks terrible. Yeah, very expensive, but you look like you look like trash. Yeah, that's the idea. That's that's why would say it was a compliment. And someone was like, are you rich? This got to the airport this morning. Look you see this on my chest right now, coffee stains. I didn't notice until you pointed it out. Thank you. Yeah, I thought, honestly, I thought you were shirtless. I thought it was her nipple. Hey, if you need a boost of confidence, let me give you a quick hack. Just wear a shirt size bigger than you usually do. You know what I'm saying Right now, you're wearing large, and just buy an excel you know, uh, And we have plenty of sizes available in our merch story. If you got a Tillan dot com and so that'll help you boost your confidence overnight. Is that good? Can I say that? You can say whatever you want. That's dot com slash merch. So one hundred thousand dollars at a time. Yeah, so he's clearly in the multimillions. Yeah, so he is in a he's in a crazy spot right now. And uh so I'm saying he could have with that amount of money. I feel like it's easy, the same way that it's like easy to turn two dollars into three dollars, it's easy to turn two million into three million? Yeah, but how quickly can you do that? Because every every that's that that's the problem is every day you're doubling what you're in the hole. True, but I'm saying, like you could I mean, in the span of a week make back your deficit. I bet maybe this is a new show. You want to start a show. Every day you go, you double it, double or nothing? Double. Oh that's a good idea. Oh shoot, dude, all this that's a really good idea. We got to take to the people who make Shark Tank. Yeah, that's a great idea. It's called double or nothing. And I got to start with one dollar. Yeah, and then tomorrow you're gonna be negative one. You have to turn it to two, or the next day it'll be negative to every day. You don't pull it off, you go negative whatever that double would be. Anyways, patent pending eight, pretty good, pretty good, hif grade teacher, I greade timestables. Sometimes there papers no I've offered. I've offered. Here's my wife is a first grade teacher. She teaches first grade. I want to I just want to over and unciate the fact that it's first you don't know that math, and she says, and I've offered, and she's like, no, you want to know what it is. And I'm like, are you serious what you're saying. We're drawing, We're drawing the arms of a clock. He literally shapes it. Oh you're no, you're a big old dumb dumb so appreciate the support, though you couldn't figured this out. Okay. Anyways, So he's going through this whole thing and he's just blown cash being Robin Hood, being Peter Ban in this hotel. And meanwhile, he knows, he knows that this is a big ruse, and he's like, they've got to know, and he's like, they've got to be figuring this out. He's like, at some point this thing crumbles, and so he develops like crippling anxiety, and so every day he wakes up just in a cold sweat, and he goes and he checks the bank. He goes to the branch as does the bounce and query. They still don't know, and he goes to spawn, sweats it out, and then he goes back to his day and he like, can't He's losing it. And so he comes to realization. He's like, he's like, I have to come clean. He's like, I can't keep living this way. He's like, I can't keep men night every night going in doubling my hole. And so he calls the crew into uh, into the hotel room. Hey guys, me and Nabby we uh, I think we have to break up. And they're like, ah, shoot me, and can I keep my bag? Look my Louis Vuitton bag. Let's go gamble and let's see if we can make up the deficit. Hurrah. So he literally says, he says, he says, we'll do one more withdrawal and he says, you can take as much as you want, tell me what you want, and take as much as you want and you can run and uh, We're gonna have one more good night and that'll be it. That'll be the last one. We'll let it actually hit my account and I'll be in the hole and I'll turn myself in from there. And so they go, they make the withdraw, everyone takes what they want, and they do one last party night bender, and they a lot. I don't know how much everyone took. I don't know if we know right, but how everyone took. And so the next day wakes up in the morning, he counts the money in the bathtub because he had a pilot cash in the bathtub. So he's eighty thousand dollars in cash in the bathtub, and he walks down to the ATM checks his account and he is one million, nine hundred and sixty thousand dollars negative in his savings account. So this is like a five month span. He's been doing this for five months. Sure this is one point nine million in the hole. And he's like, okay, jig us up. He's like, I'm gonna He's like a place are going to show up any day or any minute now. And so he just like chills in his hotel room all day. No one shows up, next day, no one shows up, next day. Nothing. So he calls the bank and he's like he's like hey. He's like, I don't know if you guys have seen my balance and they go, oh, this must be a mistake one point nine minutes ago. How did that minus signed get in front of it? Yeah? And so he gets he gets the bank and I can tell her answers and she's like, she's like, yeah, this is peculiar. She's like, let me let me transfer this to my supervisor and see if he can figure out what's going on here. And so the supervisor goes, I could tell you. The supervisor picks up on the phone, and the supervisor comes in hot and the supervisor is like, hey, Dan, we know what you've been doing, and I just got to tell you. He's like, it's not going to work anymore. You've ruined your life. And Dan's like okay. He's like he's like, well, what happens from here is like it's a police matter now. Uh. And so Dan's like, okay, all right, that's kind of what I expected. And so I think I was like, yeah, but it's the police. He's like yeah, I kind of I kind of thought. No, it's like you don't understand. Not the band. It's it's like it's like it's like it's going to come to your house and he's gonna he's gonna kick your bot. He's gonna all the kangaroos in the country. You're gonna know what you've done. The police. That's what the police do. They tell everythingle kangaroo out what they're whispering, and the kangaroo's ears. The cost tiptoe up to every kangaroo the help back. They played telephone and that's how the justice is. This is why America is so unique. They play a game of telephone with the kangaroos and that one no, it can tell you what happened. Then you get shot on the spot. That one's usually like diaper is like Dan Saunders stole yeah, two million dollars from the bank. And he gets there and it goes diaper guy is, ah, what are you talking? Talked down here? He always talked here, don't where you are. We've always talked. We had rides. Man, it's a real kangaroo court. Uh. That was I hate you. That was the joke. So they, uh, it was more subtle than I. So he gets off the phone with the bank and he's like all right, He's like any minute now. The police are gonna show up. Order's room service eleven or twelve orders room service, kind of living out of the hotel. He's got dollars. Dude, imagine you're the he delivers the room right, you come in like, what's it dumb? No, he you come in, you drop it off, and he's like, let me get your tip. He digs through. Is it like screeched up? You changed the bottom? He comes up with a dollar twenty five. You should cover it. Yeah, it is that good sort. I don't have any more that's going to take this. Sorry, this is anymore. And it's literally stuck in his hair, literally house. Sorry, I don't have any more cash. I'd give you more, but I just don't got anymore. It's anyway. So a couple of days goes by nothing. Every time room service shows up or the cleaners show up every single time, like he's like, oh my gosh, this is it. And then it's not. And so after a few days he starts to get a little bit more da. He starts to get a little more comfortable, and he's like, he's like, maybe they're not. He's like, I got eight thousand dollars cash, and so he starts living his life, but not like extravagant, but like still living. And so two months go by, nothing, three months go by, he's almost out of that cash. So he's still living pretty good. He calls back to the bank and the bank guy was like, oh, I forgot to call the cops. No one, no one's send anything to you. So long story short, he burns through all that eighty thousand dollars cash is there any more, checks out that hotel, gets a ride back to Wingorata, and then gets a job, just some normal job, just two million in the hole. Yeah, and uh works for two and a half years, still crippling anxiety. Every day. He's like, he's like, any day they're gonna bust through my door and they're gonna get me. But nothing, nothing's happening. And so he gets a therapist and he's like me with the irs by the way, just crippling anxiety every day. I think I think about so only old than my twelve dollars. I could pay it off so easy, but there's a little bit of a thrill. It's just so exciting me give the government money. Yeah, what am I gonna do? Pay them? I pay more to HBO than I do to you. So he gets uh. So he gets a psychiatrist and there's an interview where he talks about this. It's a therapist and he reaches he tells the therapist the whole story and the therapist's response he tells he dumps the whole story on the therapists and therapists response that says, I'm not qualified to do this. Invoice he's gonna be paid, right, Yeah, you're gonna be able to pay for this. No. Yeah, The therapist says, I'm not qualified to do this, and he says that sucks. His response like and say, his response was, mate, you're the shrink, surely you're qualified. And the so he like dips out of that one find himself. Another therapist keeps seeing therapist and the therapist is like, the only way you're gonna feel better is if you get caught, and he's like, you got to make yourself get caught. And so he goes and he contacts the local paper and he gets them to do a story story on it. Does the interview goes to the paper. It's all out there day. A couple days go by, a couple of weeks go by, a few months go by nothing. So he calls no one care. He calls a national paper same Wait year is this now fifteen? This is like twenty thirteen, of twirteen, twenty fourteen at this point, okay, So calls a national paper, same thing. They run a story, a couple of days go buy nothing, a couple of weeks, a couple months, nothing, nothing happens. So finally he calls up you might have noticed this graphic Current Affair. Affair. This is a national television program similar to like our sixty minutes. Yes, So he calls him up and he's like, He's like, I got a banger of a story for you guys. And they were like, you're right, that is a banger of a story. And so they say, come on down to the studio. We're going to shoot an expose. And they arrange these. It will cost you one point nine million dollars million dollars. Now. They arrange a photo shoot and so these are from his shoot with Current Affair. They just arranged it. They got this private jet for him to take photos with, They got these models for him to take photos with. They got the limo for him just for the exclusive run of this show. The show goes through. They put that they aired the episode, and he expected they're going to air the episode, the police are going to see it, and then something's gonna happen. Police don't watch TV. Police are busy talking about all the ko is. The police are still behind on TV, like, did you see season three of the Office? Only one of them talk. It's the last one last and if he gets put in the middle of the whole thing, the thing gets thrown off. He's like, did you see season four of Dexter? So at the end of this whole expose a they say that there's a warrant out for his arrest, and this is first he's heard of the police caring at all, and he's like, He's like, okay, cool, that's good for dramatic value. Though, yeah, He's like, cool, they're going to get me. Right when it ends, like the credit roles, he gets an email from the producer and the producer's like, hey, mate, loved the way this turned out. Great job on everything. We've got all your photos if you want to come pick them up on Thursday at this time, you can come pick up your photos. So he pick up my pictures. He immediately sees through this he's like, this is a sting. He's like, this is one hundred percent sting, but that's what he wants. He wants a sting because his own handcuffs. He gets out of the car already cuffed. He drove that way crash times, like get out of the car. He's like, I accidentally cuffed myself to the car. I was trying to help. I was trying. I've done something wrong. So he pulls up, gets out and then he gets swarm with photographers and geographer's filming them, and there's a single officer that's like, push your hands behind your back, bro, and then they're paid act guys like and so he gets arrested on camera. They roll the second episode that night of him getting arrested. They're like, we got him, and so they because in that first one they said he was on the run, like he's on the run, and then they roll that second episode kind of crappy to do, I know, okay, and so lastra short. He then goes into trial and he finds out that over those last three years, the bank, the guy who threatened the police and everything never called. The police had no idea about any of this until that exclusive episode the night before. That was the first they had heard of any of this, and so had he not done anything, he would have been completely in the clear. But here's the thing. They go to court and in the court case, two very important things happen. They can't prove what. Yeah, so the first very important thing happened is National Australian Bank doesn't want anyone to know that this happened, so they won't provide the paper trail. They're like, they're like, oh, well then you can't. Yeah. They're like they're like, ah, yeah, here's a couple of his bank statements. And so they were very like they were as cooperative as they could be to where they couldn't get in trouble, but as uncooperative as they could be to where the public wouldn't find out just how much he got out of okay, and want to find out about what actually happened and how he did it, because they didn't want the public to know that that was possible, and so they just counted as a loss on their part and we're like, we're good, we're out of this. And so it comes through and they see a like twenty or thirty grand move in the statements. That's all they see. And then the judge didn't understand how it happened. No, there's like, I don't understand. So he charge of this credit card but there's no nothing, there's no money there. And then and then he got money, three dollars. But then he's got but where's the money come from? But where is the rest of it? How does he get the money? What do you do with the money at that? So let me get clear. It is ninety seven, that it was three seven, it was four ninety seven. If I'm understanding that, great, clearly I understand right right, And so long story short, he gets charged, Ah got you too old, nabby. She got me back at eighty one. I was with nob when I was in Nam. You know where you went wrong? You told the police. I didn't tell anyone. Now I'm a judge, judge I mean. And so he gets charged with just the twenty thousand that they could see. He gets one year in jail and thirteen months of probation after that, and so he served in twenty fourteen, he got convicted, served a year. By twenty sixteen he was done with his probation. Now he is supposed to pay back. I think it's I think it's two hundred thousand dollars is what he got on the hook for to pay back. Okay, pay that back, and he just got a normal job, and so he's like, I haven't really made much of a dent on that. But now he's writing a book telling his story, and he's also got greenlit for a Hollywood film movie tell tell him that story. So maybe, just maybe he's actually going to be able to make pay that back and maybe make a profit on this for real this time. So the moral of the story is don't tell the cops, or the moral of the story is don't talk to the cops. The moral of the story is diving her hands baby. I mean realistically, don't talk to cops. Just kiss him. Because what was happening was there was this one hour window in the middle of the night, yeah, where the ATMs weren't connected to the Internet system, and so they didn't know what was going on. They would just approve the transaction, but they weren't supposed to. That's why it said error declined. But if you just punched through that error, it was like, okay, cool, you're right, I'm sorry, I must We had bad boundaries. I guess you're right, I should get that time. I'm sorry, And it wouldn't realize it until the next night at midnight when it re when it refreshed, and so then if as long as he made it back before that refresh he was fine, and so he could double it. And so that's how he ran that scam. Scam scam, yeah, scam. I guess it's a scam. The scheme. Yeah, in theory, he could have ran that for the rest of his life and got away with it unless they ever figured it out and patched it. Had he not came forward. He also could have just got away with it because nobody ever came asking for that negative balance in the same as account too, which is crazy. They never were like, hey, are you gonna, you know, do something with that. I think the bank the bank clearly realized it, and we're like, don't tell anybody about this. They're like, oh crap, yeah, that that one guy at that branch he talked to was like, we got them. And then he called his boss and his boss is like, do not tell anyone about this because his boss could see. But I told him the police. I told you the police. He's like, no, the police are not coming after him. This guy got away. It was like it was like, guys, I'll handle this. I'll get him to stop. I'll take care of this. That's like the if you don't stop borders, we're not gonna have Christmas this year. You know, it's an empty threat, like it's not actually like we know, we know what's really happening here. Yeah. So that's the story of Dan Saunders. Oh, I almost forgot my favorite part of this story. So at the height of this scheme, there was a banquet hall in Melbourne that he noticed was right behind a like major NAB office, not a branch, but like one of their corporate offices. He had banquet overlooking. So one day he went and he put a sign on the door of the office that said NAB Employee banquet uh. And he threw a banquet for the employees of the bank and thousands of them showed up, and he catered it and he had all this food, he paid for all the drinks. He gave them all gift bags, and he went up at the end of it and he said, he said, hey, I just want to thank NAB like for your generosity, the hard work that you guys are putting in like it is making our business possible. We've had a great year this year and has all thanks to you guys. We're so thankful for you. And everybody was like yeah, and he was so bold and they had no idea, they had no idea. Whatsever That's my favorite moment in his career, is that? Right? How long was this? What was the span five months? Five months before it got to the point where he was like, I can't breathe. You go to an ATM one night. Yeah, within five months later, you were throwing a massive banquet for that bank. But the bank, That's what I'm saying. How quick your brain can get warped? Oh yeah. He was asked in a Vice interview what it was like going from spending like seventy thousand dollars on private jets to making twenty dollars an hour, and he's like, He's like, it definitely humbles you, that's for sure. He's like, it's hard to go from it's a lot like I mean, I've had to fly coach one one and uh. He's like, he said, it's hard to go from that lifestyle to back to a situation where you have to actually think about money, and he's like the self control, like relearning self control has been really really tough. Yeah, and relearning like paying attention to the numbers because clearly he wasn't. So yeah, this is the story of Dan Saunders. We might see a movie soon. Roy from the Office is probably gonna play him, would sense or I could yeah actually audition all right, I think I will. There you go, hey show I'm a does someone have to make out with an ATM machine in this movie? Or is that that's why I'm here? Do a photo shoot with an ATM and just send it steamy? This guy gets a photo shoot with an ATM. I don't know something like this. Oh yeah, this is bad. He's clearly so uncomfortable too. Oh yeah it would be great. Well anyways, off off, hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you liked it, you might like Sandy Jenkins. He's a guy who was an accountant for a bakery and uh did some light fraud and it got a little sketchy, and by little skin, I mean so unbelievably sketchy. It was a risk. If you liked this episode, you're gonna like that one. Make sure you go check it out and if you want to see next week's episode right now, it's out on Patreon, and if you become a Patreon supporter, you get access to that literally right now. So if you can't wait, go to Tilla dot com slash support to become a Patreon supporter today. There's a lot of other great perks and then plus you just help makes this show continue to happen. So if you like this show, that's a great way to help out. 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Dan Saunders was just an average 29-year-old bartender in the small Australian town of Wangaratta. After a long shift one night, he headed out for drinks with friends, only to realize he was out of cash. He walked to the nearest ATM, planning to withdraw money from his nearly empty savings account. However, the transaction failed when he tried transferring … Read More

How the 2008 Housing Crisis Burst The American Dream

07-09-24

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Hey, welcome to things I learned last night, today's topic is the two thousand and eight financial crisis. What a great time. We talk about all this stuff that led up to it. We talk about the history all the way back to the early nineteen hundreds that led us to where we ended up in two thousand and eight. If you're not familiar, just google two thousand and eight. So if you could do as a favor and share this episode unlistened, don't even listen to it yet, just sure. That's the easiest way to help us grow a show. And it's awesome. So here is the episode. Hey, man, man, hey, don't when you do this, it just throws me off my grave, man for the whole episode. I'm gonna be freaking off because of that. What are you okay? I'm not gonna lie. I saw that hat and out out of the corner of myt I thought it was a Vietnam veterer. For those listening as a Korean War veteran, No, it's an odd job at right, Yeah, I mean, I can't wear an other hat if it's on your head. It's an odd job at that's yeah slogan. Have you ever heard of the two thousand and eight housing crisis. Are you really going to try to do this? Yeah, we're going to give it a shot. We're going to give it a good old college trial. This is not financial advice. Also, this is not finding qualified financial advice. Anything I say is qualified by life experience. Okay, anyways, have you ever heard of it? I may have. I may have had my early adulthood impacted by this. Yeah, so this is something that we probably don't need to introduce, but if you missed it, you're one of our younger listeners. The year before you were born, it was something called a housing bubble and it popped. And here's here's the thing. What a lot of Just so you know, before two thousand and eight, we all lived in a bunch of houses that were just big old bubbles. They're big, huge bubbles. And this guy went around with the par of scissors and he just popped them on. They were like, this is a christ eight million homes. He was a busy man and no one could stop No one could stop him. He had this laugh that you could hear him coming, and it was terrifying. Yeah, you just hear him the distance. Yeah. Turns out the only thing that could stop a bad guy with a pair of scissors. Was that it was a complete financial collapse of the whole system. I was gonna say it was the sec I believe. In the seventies, banks started having ideas. And here's the thing. When a bank has an idea, we should say no. It's also a side house for my dad did in a giant bake. Yeah, stole people's homes. Things I learned last night. So okay said, where do we start? Then? Obviously don't start in to us and eight that's where we end. Yeah, we need to start at the very beginning of the story, which is the nineteen thirties, the ghost of Okay, when we came up with the idea. Really, we came up with the idea of home ownership because before then it was pretty rare. I mean, people owned homes, but it wasn't like you built a home. Yeah, you built a home, you found a place, you found an empty plot of land, and you said, I live here. Now, it's pretty incredible. How could I've been reading that the Economic history book? Yeah, and people just don't understand how poor everyone was. It's bonkers in the eighteen hundred, I mean, like for all of history yeah, until like the early nineteen hundreds, and the early nineteen hundreds was the first era where it really genuinely wasn't. Most people were just born into the home your family always had, and it was like, how did this get here? We don't really know, but it's just always been here. Yeah. The people who built that home genuinely, like you know that first episode of Survivor when they build the hut, Yes, that was how that house got there, Like your ancestors got somewhere and they were like, this is where we live now, and then they just built something on it for free. So kind of if you're in Oklahoma, go outside your house right now it was three point sixty and then curse your grandparents because why why here? Yeah, and they didn't really know we're in North Dakota. Yeah, that's why I did to show it in a at a college in North Dakota. And on stage I was like, I just moved to Los Angeles and someone in the second row went, oh, I'm sorry out Wow, that's annoying, and I went, you live here? Have you looked around? Have you you have used again in this place? Yes? Well they are building the tallest building the world. This yeah, I was saying I did that North Dakota. But oh oh yes, yes, they are building the tallest building the world in the Oklahoma. They just got approval because a rich person went to Oklahoma and was like, this will do Yeah, just like your green beards. Uh. Anyways, have you heard of the skyscraper index? Have we talked about this on our show? Have you heard of the skyscraper index? Skyscraper index? We've tied around on the show. Go ahead and briefly explain it. So the skyscraper index is the idea that right before a financial downturn, they either someone proposes and begins the process of building the new toass building the world, and that is either like a national so it's either I'm building the TASS building in my country and then shortly after that begin that process begins that country has a financial downturn, or I'm building the TASS building in the world. Shortly after that there's a financial global financial downturn. And this happened with You can take it all the way back to the Empire State Building. My dates might be a little foggy here. The Empire State Building preceded the Great Depression, and then the world Trade Center predated the seventies. Crash dot Com was there's a handful right before the dot com. Patrona's towers is the one that comes to mind, but there's a handful right before that. And then two thousand and eight was birsh Khalifa, twenty twenty they actually had music. Twenty twenty they had right before twenty twenty there was the Jetta Tower, which was supposed to overtake the Birch Khalifa, but they ran out of funding halfway through. So there's half half of it's built right now. And I don't remember where they were building that actually no that but and so Jackson, Mississippi. So the idea is that if you can come up with enough fun to build the tallest building in the world or the tallest building in your nation, then there is an influx of cash in the market. That's an indicator that we're about to have a crash, is the theory, got it. It's not a it's not a fool proof thing because like it's sure, it's the like correlation does not prove causation, and like it doesn't always happen. Sometimes there's have been tallest buildings in the world that have been built and then there wasn't a crash after it, but it is it does happen a lot. Well, the word where the world Trade centers the tallest buildings, and yeah, when they were built, yeah, they were about They were abuilt the same time as uh Sears Tower, and they both I'm pretty sure they were equal size. I think I think the Oklahoma City building will be the talls in the world. No, the toss in the country. Oh okay, there'll be the toss in the nation US economic Yeah, yeah, it is the theory. Whether that'll happen or not, I don't know. I mean, it does look like a cool building. I'll go, sure, I'll go visit it. It's gonna be one of those like you can live and do work and play in this building. I mean you could do that in any building, but this is like everything is in that building. But that's what I was saying, is that people don't realize how poor the world was in the eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. Yeah, because pre eighteen seventy ninety percent of the world lived on poverty wages, which adjusted for inflation, was less than two dollars a day. Yeah, right, and that would be two dollars a day into day's money. Yes, right, is what they were living on back then. So I don't know a nickel and a button, But pre eighteen seventy ninety percent of the world lived like that. I mean all of history before, not just like not just like a few years. All of history there were the rich people that we know of, and then there was everybody else. Yeah, in extreme extreme power. Now that number in twenty twenty four is less than eight percent, So that's how much we flipped that, yeah, which is still like that means there's still there's still stuff to the world. There's still a lot of people who it is eighty is insane amount of growth that has happened in the last one hundred and fifty years. So when we think of like early New York and like you know, like the nineteen tens through twenties and all that stuff, like these these apartment buildings being built for a lot of people, that was their first structure home was a Oh I can rent in an apartment, and that is you know, that's where I live now. Yeah, yeah, and that instead of in my tents and yes, makeshift things that I live in exactly, and most of the people renters, and that's why people flooded to the cities because there was structures that they could live in. Yeah. It was like, holy, how I can live in like a real place for the first time ever and work in a real place. Yes, yeah, there was a lot. It was, It was, it's it was and still is a wild time to be alive. So in that era, mortgages became a thing. There became a thing to do markets because up until well then, you could build a home right and throughout the early late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundred, but you had to have the You had to just pay for it in cash upfront couple grand which at that time was a lot of money and less money cost less now cost less to build a home now, but still was expensive and not a lot of people had access to that kind of wealth. So the banks had an idea, local neighborhood banks said well what if we loan. We build a loan they called it the mortgage to offer people the opportunity to build a home that mortgage typically and it was different from every bait because this was like a neighborhood bank thing that was doing this and so, but typically it'd be a five year loan, and you would pay monthly premiums on this loan, and then at the end of the five year term, you would pay the remaining balance. And so if you got a twenty five hundred dollars loan, you're probably paying forty bucks a month, and then at the end of the five year term, whatever's left probably seventeen hundred. You're paying that lump sum payment off at that time, and so still five hundred dollars loan, five years, four a year. I just threw a random number out. I wasn't doing the actual math, but you're paying a premium, so you only a little bits going towards principle like a normal mortgage would happen. I don't know, I didn't do the math. I'm just throwing numbers out for fun. What is not financial. As we get further this episode, you got to realize this. That's why this happened, because there just throwing numbers out for fun, and so at the end of the at the end of the term, you just made the lump sum payment for whatever the balance was on your loan. Obviously, this still excluded the majority of the population from being able to do something like that right because you had the lump sum payment. And so after the war, you know, the war, the American dream happened and everyone wanted to have their own home, and so banks got clever and they created the fifteen and later turned into the thirty year mortgage, where instead of having a lump sum payment do at the end, you through the course of that term would pay off the tire loan. Shout out with the fifteen because mortgages weren't as expensive, homes weren't as expensive at first, and then over time as home values increased and got more expensive, they increased to thirty years. So that way the payment, the monthly payment would be something that the average person could actually afford to make and eventually pay off their loan. Naturally. Here was the thing. Banks were very, very very picky about who they gave mortgages to because they wanted to get their money back. That was the only way this made sense was alone, and they earned money off of the ability of the person to pay for that entire fifteen or thirty years. And so there was now a vehicle for people of pretty much any income level to get a loan like it existed, but in reality, the majority of people didn't have access to a loan because the majority of banks were passing on people right because they didn't trust them to pay back the loan. And so I believe in the seventies banks started having ideas, and here's the thing. When a bank has an idea, we should say no. Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, a great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early, they get a discord with our host and producers. We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks. But more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're gonna keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it to us and so we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon, So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show and the Ghost of Tiothy deckstay JP Morgan. So, in the seventies, banks started campaigning for deregulation, and it took a while, but in the nineties they started winning these deregulation campaigns and basically banks for a long time had a lot of rules that they had to fall. They still have those rules, but they have been fighting to have looser and looser rules so they can play whatever game they want to play instead of playing the game that you know, doesn't screw over the whole population of people. And so they developed in the seventies a new way to do this. And so instead of a local bank buying or giving you a mortgage, you're paying the mortgage and then they hold it until you're done paying off the mortgage. The local bank would sell you the mortgage and then you would start paying that local bank, and that local bank would immediately turn around and say sell that. Hey, bigger banks, you guys want a mortgage, and they would be like, yeah, we love, we love, we sick they were. So the smaller bank is off the hook. Now. Yeah, the smaller bank pays the full price of the mortgage to the bigger bank, and the bigger bank says, if i have enough of these mortgages, then I'm spreading my risk wide enough. The majority of people are going to be able to pay this, and so if one person doesn't, I'll just repossess that and we can resell it and get our money back in there's not as much risk if you're so that was a side house. So my dad did well in a giant bank. Yeah, he stole people's homes. Uh no, no, no, no. When when houses would get repossessed or foreclosed on, Yeah, and they go for auction, okay, the bank pays somebody a couple of grand yeah to clean the house. Yeah. And because like the people who get foreclosed on and they they rip that house, they're rash. Yeah right, yeah, and so it's somebody's job to go in. You don't got to fix anything, it's just just vacuum. Yeah. Yeah. Well I helped with a couple of these, and it is not just vacated because these people pee on the floor. Oh I'm sure, yeah, they I mean they just take all their dog food all over the place. You know, they thrash it. They take red paint and toss it on the walls and do handprints and stuff, and you can leave that. Who cares? You know? Yeah, but but it's also like they haven't taken care of their yard in six years, And so how did I not? I just had like an epiphany. This never I never connected that dot because I've knew that I've heard of this before. Right when we were shopping for a house, there was this house that we loved, this house. It was a beautiful house. The price was so much lower than it was worth, and it was way bigger than well we could afford. But the hardwood floors were covered in blue paint and the ceiling has splashes of blue paint. There was like water damage in the basement on all the walls, like it was like it was thrashed. And we were like, man, this house is great, we love it, but it's it's so much worm to flip it. Yes, yeah, and so we passed on it. And I don't know why we We just were like, man, these people are like did they try to paint this and spill? Like what happened here? Why did we never? Because I knew that interesting, that's funny. And so like there you know the backyard. We would mow the backyard and it's like six feet tall. So it took three days to yeah backyard. Yeah, yeah, So that was one of the side hustles I tell you have I told I've told that Storty of the candy shop that I worked for when I mowed that lawn with candy as much as I want. Yeah, it was that. But I told you why I got the job to Like you didn't want to eat any of the candy these people left fair yeah, yeah, same thing, same thing. So the banks would sell these out to bigger banks, right, and the bigger bank would spread the wrist for and they were okay with that. Well, then the bigger banks were like, wait a second, what if we sold these? They're like what if we also sold them? And so those banks would sell it to another bank, would sell it to another bank, and this would go down and like minimize the risk for they would go because they'd hold it for a little bit, get some premium payments, make a profit, sell it for a little less and it would and eventually your mortgage is getting sold off for pennies on the dollar. Yeah, because which is the same thing with medical debt and any student loans, any debt, it's doing this process. Yeah, there's a lot of people who can trace their student loans back to a company that didn't do the proper paperwork and get their whole loans forgiven. And that's true of any debt, most debt. Most most people buying debt are pretty like good about that because obviously that's they know that they can lose it. But yeah, if you can find the paperwork, is not like, you know, two million dollars worth of debt for forty grand, Yeah, exactly, And then they'll go try to collect the two million, and they know they're I going to collect the full two million, but they are hoping you'll settle at seven hundred thousand. Have we talked about that church on here? Yeah? Yeah, and so, but yeah, that happens. Like like when I bought my house, same week, I got a notice that my mortgage had been sold to a new bank, and I remember calling my dad and being like is this legit? Like should I pay these people? Is this a scam? Like I didn't know? I was like, this is weird, Like it is fast. They don't even sit on it for a second. And so then they were like, hey, how can we make this even less risky for us? And so, uh, that's when they started creating trickier what's the word I should use for this? I guess they're I guess they're just financial tools. But it really they're tricks, trying to set you up that they know you're gonna get foreclosed on because they can make a profit off your loan. But then they can also make a profit on the property. Yes, yes, and so this so they're giving you a loan that they know you can't pay back so they can make a little bit of money on it, and then they know that they're going to get the property in the end. Okay, so that's kind of the direction we're headed. We're not there yet. So they created mortgage backed securities and this again, this again was like a way where they could protect themselves a little more. So. You buy alone from a local bank, are you green? Yeah, you're green. You buy a loan from a local bank. And this is actually they've skipped a step in this graphic. But you buy alan from the local bank. That bank then sells it to a big bank. Who's probably going to sell it to a bigger bank, and that's going to happen a couple times, and then eventually that biggest bank is going to get it. One of the top like seven banks in the world's going to end up with it, and they're going to have a pool of literally hundreds of thousands of mortgages, right, And what they do is they stock them into groups of mortgages and then they they sell these securities to investors on like that do trade funds like mutual funds, and they package them in with the mutual fund and they say, look, here's a bunch of mortgages, and this fund grows by buying into it, you're getting a share of the interest. Yeah, you get to share of the interests as interest payments are made. Got it. And they because there was regulation at play, they had to package them with different quality of loans. So basically they ranked loans and they said, here's a high level of repayment, here's a mid level of repayment, here's a high risk of foreclosure. Basically, and they would package all together so the risk would get spread out, right, and there was a high level that thinks were going to be safe one package was just now they're all bad. Yeah, and so that was a very similar vehicle called CDOs, where your asked it would get bob bay the bank. The bank would send it to an investment bank. It would get put into this group either a senior mezzanine or equity is what they called them. Senior were really good, mezzanine were fine. Equity was very very low quality, and they would sell them off to hedge funds and insurance agencies, funds, things like that, and investors would buy it and hope that they were going to get a return on the investment. There. This worked for a little while we were selling shares. Yeah, they were selling shares a pool of debt essentially, And so you're like, you weren't selling the debt to the investors, They were just selling a share of the interest. Yes, and so it is like investing in a stock and a whole bunch of debt. And so you got a little piece, a little kickback of that interest payment every month. Sure, and your value slowly goes up. And this was a really honestly like a really smart way to spread out the risk, to make it to where now a lot of people had access to mortgages because the banks didn't have to be so choosy with who they gave you that just you having a mortgage was something that would pad there. Yeah, they knew. The small banks knew that, no matter what, I'm going to be able to sell this mortgage, So I can give you a mortgage and I don't have to worry so much about your ability to repay the full amount. I just have to know you can make some premium payments. And I don't have to know you can make it for thirty years. I just know you have to make it for four months until I sell it. The bigger bank only has to know you're going to be able to make it for I don't know however long. Their profitability ranges a couple of years, and then they just package it with a group and there's the risk as much lower. Well, as the deregulation train started moving and more people started campaigning in the government to allow them to loosen the rules for these mortage companies, they were able to pass legislation that allowed them to start to sell subprime mortgages. And that's when this system started to get really dangerous, right because it became a thing where you have more, you have more subprime loans in a group, then the high quality loans can cover. Yeah. So the majority up until this point, the majority of people who could get mortgages were people who were probably going to be able to pay the back their whole langage. Like there were people who had career jobs that and they had room in their finances, didn't have weren't overburned with debt and stuff like that, right, and so it made logical sense that they were going to pay this back. The subprime mortgage made it to where it didn't really matter if if someone was willing to sign the paper, they could get a mortgage. And so just kind of what car loans are right now, kind of if you, if you could sign the paper, we'll give you the loan. Who cares, Yeah, Because what they know is the person giving you the loan doesn't matter. They're not going to have they're not going to be on the hook for this loan because they're going to give it to someone else. And even the person that they give it to doesn't matter, because they're going to give it to someone else, and then that person they think they've spread the resk risk out wide enough that it doesn't matter if you repay, because we have enough people who are going to repay. We're never going to lose money on this situation. We're always going to return even if you only return us twelve dollars. Right, So, the subprime mortgages started moving, and a lot of well you're in now, early late nineties, early two thousands, a lot of small bankers are saying, Hey, I am a salesperson of mortgages essentially, and I get I get a commission on my sales. And so for them, it almost doesn't matter what comes through the door. I'm going to sign off on it. I'm going to sell them the highest mortgage I can sell them. And so someone comes through the door that can afford a two hundred thousand dollars home, I'd be like, why don't you do five hundred thousand. I can get you a five hundred thousand dollars loan because they get a commission on that no matter what. And so there is definitely some shady and I think there's two things going on here. I think there's sh shady, greedy people who are taking advantage of a system, and there's also probably a lot of bankers like I can think of people Mount Vernon in my hometown who would be like, oh, you're like a proof for much higher you could yeah, and they think that it's a good thing. They think it's like, why would you settle for this when you can afford this, We could get you in a five hundred thousand dollars home, Like why would you not? And a lot of people would come into banks and have a banker tell them stuff like that, and they would trust them. They'd be like, oh, this is a bank. The bank would lie to me about this because people were like, well, the bank to get their money back. They understand. They didn't understand the whole system behind this, because I think a lot of people, especially first time home buyers, think, when I come in and get a mortgage, I'm going to be paying this bank back forever, and so they're not going to give me more than I can actually give them because that hurts them. But that's not how the system worked, and so there was a lot of room for greed and corruption to run his course and misunderstanding to run his course, and that started flying. Meanwhile, another very interesting thing came out in this era called the credit default swap. Have you heard of this. No, basically, it's insurance on these CDOs the debt piles. So essentially, if I am a mutual fund and I'm buying a bucket of all this debt, yes, I could go to AIG and buy insurance and buy insurance on all that debt. So if for some reason, which I don't think it's going to happen, but just in I could pay a monthly premium to this insurance company, and if ninety percent of the people in that debt pool default on their debt and then that just collapses, this insurance company is going to pay me back one hundred percent of the value, and so I'll be safe. And so these insurance companies were allowed to sell this where it's like dipping into their profit a little bit, but it's making it so you guarantee no loss. Yeah, you're not going to lose any money. And so these insurance companies just like banks, which maybe we should talk about this for a second. Do you know how banks work with terms of like the cash they have on hand versus the cash that they have on accounts. Yes, they're only required to hold twenty five percent of the total value of the accounts that they have because the expectation is that you're never going to have you're going to a bank run where everyone's getting one hundred percent of the money out. Yes, yeah, and that's why bank runs kill banks, because everybody tries to withdraw more than the bank has, and the banks like, I'm sorry. And so what they're doing their whole business model is the thousand dollars you have and you put into your savings account, they are taking it and investing it, Yeah, make interest on so that way, when you go with's all your thousand, they give your thousand back, but they've they've made you know, eight hnmes, they've been investing it. Yeah, just like Starbucks. Yes, have we talked about that. I don't know if we've talked about that. The Starbucks when you put money on your Starbucks gift card in your account in your app, it says you have two dollars and fifty cents. So Starbucks has your two dollars and fifty cents. You put in ten dollars, they gave you ten dollars of credit. Yea. Now they've got an asset and they've got billions of dollars. They've almost just over two billion dollars sitting in the Starbucks accounts, right, yeah, and they can then leverage that for investors where they go listen, I mean, if it all comes down to it, we've got two billion dollars. Yeah. Yeah, and it's an asset to them. Yeah, and so they're able to go get loans. They say, look, we have this, we can give you two billion dollars if we don't pay back this loan, which is insane. And so there's essentially spending your gift card money. It's crazy on other things that Starbucks. You put, you put money in the Starbucks app that you could only spend at Starbucks, and they said, thanks, we're gonna spend this everywhere else. But honestly, like even like this, the concept of gift cards as a whole is that they fully expect you not to drain it down to the last dollar. Yeah, you know, and I fully expect you to buy a five hundred dollars gift card and then you leave thirty two dollars on it, and now they've just made thirty two sit on a forever yeah yeah, and they can and they expire. Yeah, and he's going home. Yeah, we got thirty two bucks. Yeah, yep. And if they do that enough, they've got a lot of dollars. Yeah, that's how That's why every pretty much every fast food restaurant now has an affort with the where you deposit funds because everyone saw Starbucks do that and we can go there. That's smart, that's so smart. So yeah, you learned something. Maybe you learned something there, and every rich people do that just in general, like rich people will have rich people will put the majority of their wealth into market funds and things like that, and they will borrow against it, so they're living off and that's where it's like off of loans, right, and that's where people are like, oh well, billionaires don't actually have a you know, a billion dollars laying around. Yeah. Yeah, but it gives them the ability they can do some really cheeky stuff to which is why they never run out of money because they can be that why it's very it's really hard to mess up being rich. Yeah, if you're once you hit a certain point, it's tough to run out, right because even even if you have if you even if you just have like a million dollars in a fund, like you are making an income off of that, like off of interest on that that you can survive off of pretty much indefinitely unless inflation gets ridiculous. Right, So, anyways, money is a crazy thing our system, and here's how it breaks. And so the insurance they were ensuring all these things, and same thing as those banks, they didn't have to have one hundred percent of the value of what they were ensuring, because everybody expected there's no chance that one hundred percent of these are going to fail, like people are going to foreclose on these homes, and so they only were required to have twenty five percent of what they were insuring on hand. They had ensured I think it was like three point four trillion dollars worth of these credit default or CDOs right in by way of credit default swaps in insane number. And so we kind of have these two things that are bubbling up at the same time that are very, very dangerous. The good thing is we had a system for this to make sure we weren't messing anything up. And they were ranking agencies, and so there are these there are a handful of ranking agencies in on Wall Street that were third party agencies. They were not a part of the banks, They were not a part of Wall Street. They were not part of these insurance companies. And what they would do is they would get these tranches and they would look at this collection of debt the CDO and they would scour the paperwork and they would rate the quality of that whole trunch. And so they would say, based on everybody that's got a mortgage in here, here is our rating of the quality of this. Basically, like the risk rating, triple A was the highest. You get double AA, B, double B and whatever all the way down that line. And so if you're an investor, you're looking for triple A rated debt obligations here because you're like that's safe. That basically means that you're not going to have a lot of people for closing within this. While these agencies were paid by the people selling the CDOs, that was where the money came from. This wasn't a government organization. They were paid by those people. Sure, if they gave them a bad rating, they would go to the other one down the street and get a new rating. And so they had no obligation to do anything other than give a triple A rating to everything that came through their door. And so that's what they did. Okay. And so it seemed like we had a system to save this, but this is no oversight. Didn't do anything, okay. And so there's all these triple A rate of stuff and all these investors are buying this triple A rate of stuff. They think, oh, everything's gonna be great. We're fine. There's no risk involved in any of this because triple A. And they said it is and we trust them. Can't trust them, so they said so, they said so. 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I would love it if you would listen to it with me, because that's probably how you found the show. Someone you know shared it with you and you were like, this is pretty good, and so it helps us a lot, and it makes it so that we can keep doing this and make episodes until one of us dies Tim but please share it and I will still be here after he's long gone. Here's what's crazy. Yeah, we've been talking a lot about this and and maybe I don't know if this is we here we'll do We'll try it. We'll see what happens, will you and I? You and I have been talking a lot about this. We'll see what happens. We have a plot. Okay, No, do we have a plot. We have a plot? No, here's the thing. Here's what here's an interesting thing. We've noticed. Uh, the internet has changed. Okay, you used to see the stuff of the people you followed. Oh sure, sure, sure, sure, sure sure shirts, And now you see the stuff of the people that the robots think you want to see. Yeah. It's almost like if you click follow, they go okay, you've got it, and then they don't show you that person again, and they're like, okay, yeah, you'll google them if you want to see them. You'll remember their name. Yeah, you'll remember them, and you'll just look them up if you want to see them. Following means nothing anymore, which just bunkers. Yeah, and so I don't know where I'm going with this other than other than, uh, it's a weird thing that's happening. So I hit that Okay, Yeah, I don't know how to land that plan. I think where we were going on is that it is it is difficult to because of the flood of content creators and people who want to build platforms. Yeah, they have no interest in building Like like I used to have people in my comments sections that I was like, oh yeah, I've seen these people's comments over and over and like they're engaging in my posts. And you know, there's still some people that are like oh yeah, they're still here. But like, I mean, I don't even know if some of these people are seeing my posts anymore. And so what that's what we're trying to do different with our Patreon is that's why we're doing group hangouts once a month. That's why we're doing this Q and a kind of stuff. Like we're responding to the discord because we do want that you know, old fashioned internet community. You know, that's that we're trying to build a call. No, that wasn't what we were Sorry, it's not a cult, not a cult. It's a podcast, not a cult. Not a cult. Tell your mom, it's not a call. Tell your mom, Tell your mom. No, mom, it's not a cult. It's a podcast. Okay, And gatorades should be figured. Why is this so thin? Okay? So, uh, here's where we're at. Mortgages are too easy, too easy to get. Mortgages are put into this giant pile of debt that are supposed to be safe. Because it's such a big pile. The problem is the rate they groups that are raiding them are not rating them well. Sure, banks start to realize we can get away with whatever we want to get away with. And because we can ensure these we can put whatever we want in these groups. So they stop separating them by the scale of them. They start saying, what if we just throw all all the bad ones into this group, And so they have a really high risk of all feeling but it doesn't matter. We can insure it. And so they put a really bad one together, get a triple A rating on it, ensure it doesn't matter what happens. They sell it. They know they're going to get their money back because they're selling it to investors. They sell all the shares out of it worst case scenario, if it doesn't work, we're going to get our insurance payment from the insurance company because we've got it. And also and also the houses. Yeah, and so it becomes a system where they're like, we can't lose in this scenario. They also pay out, and also we make money on the houses that we get. They're also betting that because they are the biggest banks in the world and there's so much of the world economy runs through them that will get bailed out, that if something comes to the worst possible scenario, they will get bailed out in the bad scenario. So because they realize all this, they like, we can do whatever the heck we want. So they start doing that, watch them moth. Sorry, the economy starts to take our legs are so white. I think I got to quit wearing white shoes. And you know what it is, it's the white table, the white shoes. Look at these things. It's also that you don't tan if you go to go tanning. I've been out of my back porch and I've just been you know, yeah, I've seen your back porch. So there's not a lot of sun access. I can like, you gotta you gotta create a situation where the sun can actually reach you. So white in this room, just go get just start tanning. No, you could be bed guy. You could be a tan bed guy. Tanning bed guy. Yeah, yeah, you like you like hot tips. That's the hot tubs and tanning beds go together. Okay, speaking of tanning beds, we've talked about this before. The video rental place in my town that had Stopbuster, it was called Nope, it's called video. They had tanning beds and video rental. Did they have the tanning beds in a separate room or are they just in the middle. It was a separate room, Like, excuse me, those little glasses that they wear. Did they have screens in them? Did they have screens in those in the tanning beds? No, you were't supposed to lay in there for that long. How long are you supposed to lay there? Less than people did. I didn't know how long are you supposed to lay I assumed you were in there for hours. No, Google how long to lay intent? Now it's going to tell you like zero minutes. Don't do it. This is bad, But like, what is it like five minutes? It's five to twelve minutes. You gradually increased to twelve minutes. You started out five grads, they increased it. That what Yeah, it's kind of like cold plunging. That's insane. I thought it was hours. That's why I never did it. I was like, gosh, that sounds like I don't have but four hours to go tanning. Oh my gosh, this makes so much sense. Brent does this, and I've always just been like, what are you finding all his time? Dude? Hands? Yeah, but only like I don't think occasionally he does it right before summer is okay, it's just thousands of people. He knows. I guess I could do like, I guess I could do like the tanning lotion and go like sit outside. Yeah yeah, just sit in your self tanner. I could do the self tanner stuff. The problem. The problem is the problem, I think. I genuinely think the problem is your yard doesn't have a lot of sun like direct soun front yard does. I'll go out there, That's what I'm saying, Go lay in the driveway, gold laying the driveway with how busy that is? I live in Los Angeles. Honestly, they'll go like that makes sense. People won't even bat and high. They won't even turn. They won't even they won't even there's average. It's the coyotes will notice, you know, you know what I'm saying, because they're they're like that's hot, and they're like they're they're fat out there. They're oh yeah, they're well fed. They can't make it through a howl. They run out of breath. It's all like your sentence earlier, What the he is that why you couldn't make it through a little porker? Yeah? Too much? Oh man? Okay, So they these so nothing matters, nothing matters whatever they want together. They love stuff together. And here's here's the sad thing. They're like, we're not. We're not gonna lose money either way. Here's a sad thing. So somebody's gonna lose money, but not us. So the people who are buying these are putting these into funds, and these funds are mutual funds ets four oh one k's pension, right, which is like people's retirements. Yes, and all the majority of the like consumer who's investing into these products is not in there making the decision on what this portfolio includes. They are just paying into a four oh one K or into a pension, and they're expecting one day they retire they get it all back, while someone who's managing that fund is getting all this stuff. And even the person managing doesn't realize what they're getting because the bank's lying to everybody. Sure, the system was very, very sketchy. Uh. And then the economy starts to take a downturn. Housing prices, housing values start to dip just a little bit. Uh. And then people start having a difficult time paying back their mortgages. Some people begin to foreclose, and it kicks off this chain reaction where more and more people began for closing as soon as they had monthly payments. They couldn't meet. Yeah, people, a lot of people had mortgages that were more than what they could afford, sure, and so yeah, they started foreclosing on the homes. Kicked off this chain reaction where these now we had CDOs that are full of high risk loans, and those loans came due and those people started foreclosing, and so then these CDOs failed. They called the insurance agents agencies to pay the insurance insurance, and that's also we also were investing in those. Yeah, they were like, we didn't have enough. It was greater than that value of cash that they had on hand for that right, and so they weren't able to pay that back. And so simultaneously you saw a situation where because a bunch of people were foreclosing at once, these CDOs were crushing, The insurance was crushing, and then everybody who was invested in all these funds that were part of these things, both the insurance and this started crushing. And then the values of those of those companies on the stock market started crushing. And pretty much when when it was how long was the crash, Well, it was two thousand and eight was the crash. We kind of started seeing like signs of these things happening in two thousand and six where the the mortgages people started foreclosing on mortgages and it lasted until technically speaking, they would say like two thousand and nine was the end of the crash, but you had like kind of that like pularizing moment in two thousand and eight where it was like, oh, we're this is over. And by over, I mean like the economy we're all dead. And so what time of the year was it is what I'm saying, let me see when like the crash happens. I don't know if there was like we where it was like, okay, now we've reached kind of the Yeah. I don't know if we had like a Black Monday moment like the seventies had Black Monday, where it was like a one moment all of a sudden, Like I think this was kind of a gradual thing. It hit a fever pitch. I don't know when that fever pitch was. I know it was in two thousand and eight when it like finally popped. I don't know exactly when in two thousand and eight, sure, but by the end of it, eight point eight million people and this this had such a big effect. It was outside of just the US, it was a global thing. But eight point million people lost their jobs. There was seven point four trillion dollars in stock market wealth that was lost, and nineteen point two trillion dollars in household wealth was lost as a result of that crisis. And then under the conservatorship that the government took over some of these banks cost tact payers in the US one hundred and ninety billion dollars and then through the FED would then do kind of a buyback program and a lot of these bad stocks and bonds essentially that total one trillion dollars to clean up this mess. And it was all essentially due to a lack of regulation and allowing the banks to do whatever they want and them kind of finding a way to not have any risk in this game, and so they could they were able to grow to a level where even if they didn't have a lot of risk in the situation, they were fine. And then they found all these different tools to help mitigate a lot of the risk in that situation. And for the most part, for a long time until the House of cards fell, they made a lot of money doing this, and they got incredibly wealthy doing this, and the majority of the people who made these decisions are still out there running these banks. Is a handful of these banks did actually collapse. Lehman Brothers was the big one. They were the largest collapse of any organization in American history, but in a couple of other agencies collapsed and went out of business as a result of Circuit City. Circuit City was the big one, long lived Circuit City, But by and large, most of these organizations are still out there. The FED came in and they outlawed a lot of these financial tools that were being used in this, But in twenty fifteen people started these banks, started campaigning to bring a lot of them back, and since twenty fifteen they've been winning a lot of these campaigns, and a lot of these financial tools exist again. The pretty much only thing in here that is not allowed still as subprime mortgages. You have to be able, like you have to be able to prove that you can pay back the mortgage if you're going to get it. But pretty much everything else within this whole system, CDOs, mortgage backed securities, credit default swaps, all of them are legal again and they're doing it and they're doing it with everything. This is always a housing crisis or housing thing. It was primarily housing thing at the time. Now it's all the debt that could exist is being lumped into stuff like this, and uh, we're we're building the tallest building in America right now. So think of that what you will. Yeah, the housing crisis was a we will see you on the construction site and then we all have to be building this building, building that building because it's the only thing we could do. Yeah, the only job that exists. They're going to franchise that and they're going to build one in every metro, same exact building, them next to each other. Oh yeah, and they're just going to keep Yeah, it's a whole city of just one of the if thirty of these, forty of them, why you imagine if McDonald's was the tallest building in any city, but it was just a and you're like you drive through and it's like, hey, that used to be a McDonald's, like we do with pizza Hut, Like that used to be a nineties pizza hut. You can tell that they used to. You can see the way. Why did they make them that big? I don't know there's not floors. It's just a big break. It was a one floor building. It was giant ceilings, shoes hundred foot ceilings. Can you actual change the light bulb in that room? Can you imagine the light from the top reaching down to where you are. That's not how that would work. The light bulb is just like a big chandelier and there's one six ward in the middle. There's a little chain. Yeah, you have you just watching? You should move? That's Gonnah? You a all right? Well, don't you just feel hopeful about the world? You know, Oh, they're gonna do it again and whatever. Speaking of two thousand and eight, we have an episode about the two thousand and eight Florida Gators, which is a little less serious and impacted people, pretty serious, pretty bad ways. People went to jail for this, but not the other thing. Yeah, so you can check out that episode. If you've already seen that episode, you're like, I've seen the entire catalog of episodes jarone. 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John Birch Society: Conservative Group Behind a Failed Gold Heist

07-02-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, this episode's about the John Birch Society. It's a political action group that was founded in the fifties that founded a lot of crazy ideas that are still exists today and also got involved into some kind of weird, muddy, sketchy waters and we're gonna look into all those different things that has happened throughout its history. This is Tillan Podcasts, where a comedy podcast where we talk about something that's like somewhat educational. You're gonna learn a little bit, but more than anything, we're gonna have fun. We're gonna make fun of some stuff. We're gonna laugh. It's gonna be a good time. So thanks for watching the show. Let's jump right into it. Hey, man, what's going on? Have you ever heard of the John Birch Society? Yes? Yeah, have you really? Yeah? This on genuinely knowing who you are, you might know this. You're into this kind of stuff, like you're into learning and you're not into this kind of stuff. I should be clear. You're into learning about this kind of John Birch Society. Yeah, is a cult. Yeah, and it is, I'm guessing, and it is in the it's in California. You technically in a way like it. I mean, they have people there that are a part of it. All right, we'll go it is a cult though, Yeah, I love cold episodes. Well, I mean, maybe it's not a cult, but I guess in a sense you could probably call it podcast about cults just in general. That has been old case, cold cut, coult cut combol, cult cult combo. That would be our Cold Boy franchise expose. A episode would be cold cut, cold Cult combos cold No coult cut combos cold cut. It was better cold cold cult combos. I'm so again. It's one of those things where I sometimes I just think about there's somebody listening to this for the first time and they're like, God, the show awful. Maybe this is a real candy. You haven't hear sugar bathe the sugar trying to get an out of context quote and I'm just trying to get good stuf. You don't know. So you didn't know what a sugar baby is? No, no, no, no no. But when you showed the package, I've had done before. Oh yeah, have you had a sugar daddy? I respect to get things I learned last night Element John Bird Society. So this is I've realized WEE can time travel you and I. Okay, watch yeah, Jaron, Right now, I know you're on a walk or running, or I'm driving somewhere. I just want you to take a moment, center yourself, and then out loud just scream as scream something or just scream. I was trying to think it will be appropriate, but probably just I have a bomb. It's gonna be really funny if you're on a plane right now. It's gonna be really funny if you're going through TSA and you're like taking your ear butts out and it switches to speaker audio. But like and it's like, Jaron, it's that's that's guided your voice. What is that? What is this? This is my guided terrorism. It's just my guided terrorism. Yikes. Okay, but we have the ability to say something to your future self right now. So I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. Do you listen you listen to the episodes? Yeah? Yeah, of course, I'm saying, like when I go on, I don't listen to other podcast and I listened to our podcast a little narcissistic. Yeah, you got in my car last week and my podcast was played. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean I do the same thing. It's like I can't like it is a little narcissistic. But let's be honest. Narcissists have podcasts like I think we do power like influence if you meet someone if actually genuinely speaking, I asked my therapist this the other day. I said, do you think I'm a narcissist? I said, do you think? Do you think I have? You? You're saying your awareness to be like, am I a narcisist? Is what makes it that you're not? Yeah? I said, I said, do you think I have a narcissistic personality disorder? And he opened up the d S M five and he said, do you have a podcast? And I said yes? And he said, you're narcissistic. Let's go to your Instagram explore page right now? Is it? Alex HERMOSI, do you have a Robinhood account? Traits of narcissism? Those are two, those are three very podcast hermos on the four you paid Robinhood account. Robinhood account, that's very likely narcissism. Anyways. Uh So I heard a theory on narcissism that over involved parents in their kids' lives is a form of narcissism because like one interesting you know, well, because I mean, like we've all known that dad that took his kid too seriously, like when we were grown up in sports and we're like, freaking dude, you know, Brian's dad is a little intense. Yeah, they're like living vicariously. Yeah. Someone was saying that that is narcissism and that it's not like I'm trying to live through my child. My child is an extension of me, and therefore they must be successful. Yes, yes, so it's not like I wasn't successful, so I want my kid to be successful so that I can I can secondhand experience that, which is some people's things. That's what living vicariously through someone is. Is you you secondhand experiencing that. But they're saying that you are I have to be successful, right because you carry my name. Yeah, which is the way I feel. Yeah, I don't have kids yet, but they have to go to counseling. Yeah, you better start saving and putting money away right now. Now, way when your kid comes to you when they're like a young adult, and then like in the early twenties, they finally talked to you again after ten years. Yeah, and they go, you put me through so much, and you're like, you know what, I've been waiting for this conversation. I set aside some money, yeah, for your counseling, but to be honest, inflation's really caught up and this is only enough for two sessions now. So his counselors counselors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So the John Birch aside Robert w. Welch, this is him, which Robert Welch looks like a comedian from the eighties. Sure was playing him when this photo was taken. Mike, you look like the actor portrayal of you is a good insult. I'm gonna use that. That's funny. Robert Welch, he was a candy tycoon like Adam Sandler playing you. He's a tycoon. He's a candy tycoon. Okay. So he was born in UH eighteen ninety nine, uh and he and his brother founded the Oxford Candy Company. It did not go well. The school was a lot better. Yeah, their school was a lot better. Their school or in UH nineteen twenty five, Harvard was a tire shop. Before they were like, what have we taught? What? Their all their mechanics were throwing. Mechanics were sitting there talking about I and soone was like, what are we fixing cars for? Why are we doing this car stuff? So you should be riding law. A lot of mechanics think that. The Him and his brother James, they started the Oxford Candy Company together and it didn't well. It was they had a a Jimmy John's Pickleman scenario on their hands. So in nineteen twenty five they split up and they both have our own individual podcast. You'll have a different co host. You can't carry it alone, and we'll have our own stuff. It's like, hey, you can't use road kind of yeah, because it's our Yeah, we use that resually, can't use that. That kind of mayonnaise. I'm keeping up. That's my mayo. What is your mayo of choice? None? I don't like mayo. Mayonnaise is gross? Cool? Yeah, what's yours? Uh Helman's Yeah, that's disgusting. Okay, it would no matter what you said. I was. That's discussed for sure. This maonaise is disgusting, And next they're falling out. They started their two different candy companies. James is his brother James, the James O Welch company ended up being much more successful, and uh Robert failed and then went to work for brother James. While working there, though he because of he's going to be to We just talked about that last night. Yeah, because of one day I'll have to offer you a janitorial position in my office. Yeah, because nothing else is working out. Yeah, the because of nepotism, will always have a job from me. Clad because of nepotism, he had a high ranking position. You can always tell when Tim does not like the joke when he's just like, so, anyway, the topic is this, and you're like, here's a dumb little story. And he's like when you're talking about your gatorade sticker, like it thick. He's just like so James because of nepotism. James his brother and I ranking position at the company. And there this this candy company went on to be like a big deal. They did sugar Daddies, sugar babies, Junior Mints, Pom Poms. Sugar babies is a real candy. You haven't heard sugar babies. It's a big king. I mean I've heard of sugar babies. Yeah, Sugar daddies, Sugar daddies, and sugar babies here, I'll show you the branding. Yeah, I can't believe you've seen these before. I guarantee you they're kind of like they're big in movie theaters. I mean I will say they were. And there's no nice way to say this. If we have any uh, anyone watching this? Above millennial, millennial and above these were old candies for us. You know what I'm talking about. Oh oh yeah, yeah those are good though. Yeah, you can get them at movie theaters. Sugar, you cann't really find them. Shut up, you cann't really find them anywhere else because they're like milk duds. Yeah, the sugar trying to get an out of context quote, Tim, I'm just trying to get good stuff. You don't know. So you didn't know what a sugar baby is? No, no, no, no no. But when you showed the package, I've had them before. Oh yeah, have you had a sugar Daddy? I've I respect the games. Sugar daddy is the same thing. That's why I got the name the sugar Daddy. Never it was like a big caramel pop. It was like a lollipop. But if it was just caramel and it was huge, sure, forty eight grams of milk caramel, and then the sugar baby was like, what if it was just this both? At least I have a caramel apple every day, every day in my life. I have a caramel apple because you know what they say, caramel apple a day keeps the dentist paid. And you're an investor, you're local dentist. The more business they have, the more money. Yeah, yeah, I had. Have you ever had like a Honeybee brand apple? Their Honeycrisp asples. It's a new brand. I just found. They are one huge, two the sweetest apple I've ever tasted in my life. Clearly genetically modified. But go to your local store look for I think it's gross. Is cotton candy grapes? Yeah, that's insane. Do you know those exists? Do they taste like cotton candy? Yeah? There, and they're like they're genetically modified. Yeah, that's crazy. It's like cotton candy grapes. So anyways, Robert Welch, we got a lot to cover here. Robert Welch, he uh, he was successful in business out of a business business tycoon of sorts, and James went to work for him, right, No, they they worked together kind of falling out, James's business was more successful. He went to work for jameson business because nepotism. He was high up in the company and still was super rich because of it. Okay, he might as well have been in his company. He got so rich and uh he uh. In the fifties was looking at a few things, the biggest one being communism, and was like, people are too okay with communisms. Okay, And also he was nervous about the government getting too big and turning into a one world government. And it was also nervous about other a lot of other really, a lot of other stuff. And so he said, what if we started a political activist group called the John Birch Society, And so okay, named after not him, but a guy named John Birch. Here's a picture of him. Here's a picture of the actor portraying him, pointing at the guy he named his society after, which is John Birch. John Birch was, according to Robert Welch, the first person killed. He is real, but he was, according to Robert Weltch, the first person killed in the Cold War. What happened was in World War Two, Japan surrenders and the United States military says, hey, go get the verification of the surrender from this group in northern China. Make sure that they know that the war's over, basically, and so he got sent with naval intelligence offers officers through northern China to go tell these this specific outpost of Japanese soldiers. And on the way they happened upon a group of Chinese communists and not a part of the war, but they were just there and they were like, we're gonna kill you, and they did. And so they killed him and a bunch of other people there. But Robert for some reason latched on why shouldn't say, for some reason, we know exactly why latched on to John Birch. Because John Birch, before the war was a fundamentalist Baptist missionary and then he became a war hero. So this became for him. Not only did he die in active military service, he died as a martyr too because he was also a missionary. So he kind of double dipped causes for him. And so they founded this organization, and the organization did political lobbying and campaigned and tried to teach the public fifties through the fifties. Yeah, and try to teach the public about a lot of stuff. And all these things are things that have like survived to this day that we've heard of a little bit of their political positions, we can hit a little bit. They were historically opposed to one world government, and they hated the United Nations. They hated NAFTA, they hated the Central American Free Trade Association, any free trade association. They wanted to reduce immigration. They had problems with the civil rights movement and the women's rights movement. They are actually the people who started like they're trying to take the Christ out of Christmas thing. They're the people who started this. They actually they campaigned for a while that they were like the UN is trying to take all the Christian symbols out of it and replace them with UN symbols, which is just like the logo like the United Nations, like instead of having an angel, you have Yeah, I just love the idea of Christmas and like all the Christmas cookies that are like, but they're the United Nations of Christmas is the United Nations, like Charlie Brown's Christmas, but it's like the United Nations, Like, oh, world domination in the early days of this show, we did like affiliate ads where we were like, hey, sign up for grammarly and use code tilling, and we got like fifteen cents, And now we just do Patreon. It's a much better way. It's better for us as creators, it's better for you as listeners, and it's a much more fun way for us to interact. We do monthly hangouts like on Zoom. We just hang out and play games online and get to know each other. It's a really fun time. So but still use our code tilling at grammarly dot com because I think it's still like it if we might get like a couple cents from that, But join us on Patrion because we're having a great time. Yeah, if you don't, we're gonna have to start doing mobile game ads. And then oh they want to dismantle the Federal Reserve. They stopped giving out coal for Christmas because that is a resource now of course anti communist. And then they they they started the floor right in the water was a mind controlled thing. That was them. They're the one people who started that. And uh, they believed they I shouldn't say they started, but they were pretty strong on like that. The United States was persecuting their religious rights and beliefs and stuff like that. Oh, and they they were people who said were not a democracy, were republic. The Fed needs less power, the States need more power because we're republic a democracy. And they were pretty influential, and they've been very influential to this day. Like I said, a lot of these a lot of these things you've heard and you're like, I've heard this today from a lot of modern political groups. Yes, the John Birch Society grew and grew and grew, and by the mid eighties it reached its peak. And at that time there was nearly one hundred thousand members and they had two hundred forty people on staff, a seven million dollars annual budget. Because what are people giving to, Well, they're giving to this organization to like, yeah, to lobby, and not just lobby, but like campaign. They're the cause of, like helping people know about I don't know this stuff that they thought. I guess we need money to help people know about our show. And it's interesting when you look at it, because these beliefs that these people campaigned for right today have become I don't want to say, like, well, accepted, but like pretty normal. Yeah, there's a lot of people who are like, yeah, this is legit specifically like right wing politics. Sure, but in the sixties when they were founded, specifically right wing politics, thought it was the craziest thing in the world, and they constantly were like campaigning against them and being like the stuff that these people are saying is just ridiculous. Okay, so much so. And I'm gonna be honest, I don't There's a right wing philosopher that was interviewed and in a magazine that I don't. Here, here's something I was interviewed in a magazine that I don't here's an idea. Here's the thing in like the sixties and seventies, stupid. There's an interesting thing I've noticed from doing research for this podcast, Yeah, that for some reason, serious articles existed in Hustler and Playboy. Yes, And I don't understand why. We don't understand why, because the same way of like being like MTV was the cultural definition through the nineties. Because what you know of it now, Yeah, you know, Yeah, Reagan has been buying old Playboy magazines for her bathroom. Yeah, because they weren't like nude on the cover. Yeah. I don't even know if they are nude inside, but they're like, you know, she's got like these they're like sixties magazines and the cool looking cup o their vintage. Yeah, yeah, and so but there was a time where that was just on your coffee table and there's like articles in it. Yes, when you had friends over. That's crazy, and that's when the joke became. I read it for the articles. Yeah, yeah, I have heard that. Yeah, because there were legitimate articles. That's crazy. So there's a right wing philosopher that was interviewed in a Playboy in the sixties, and this is his exact quote. He said, I consider the Birch society futile because they are not for capitalism but merely against communism. I gather they believe that the disastrous state of today's world is caused by a communist conspiracy. This is childlishly naive and superficial. No country can be destroyed by a mere conspiracy. It can be destroyed only by ideas, which seems like an omen for the society because the society. Yeah, well, this is an interesting I was just talking to someone the other day about and this applies to governing, This applies to parenting. This applies to you know, dating or whatever it is. You can't There are people still in our government and in our society and like church leaders even who will launch a church and they'll just be like, we're just not like the other churches. We're doing the opposite of what the other churches are doing. That's not a direction. That's not a you can't just be you can't lead by anti leading. We're going a different way, Okay, which way, not that way, not that way. That's not a leader. That's you just being like I don't like that direction, which is fine. It's important to know which way you don't want to go. But like if it's you know, if it's like, oh, I'm just going to parent different my parents did in what ways? Yeah, there's yeah, you have to choose a direction. It's there's not it's not there's just two directions. You just got sixty degrees and you're ruling out one degree. There's three hundred and fifty nine other ways you can go, and you can, but you're just gonna wander aim everyone pinballing your way through your life. Everyone just one eighties from the degree. And it's like it's like who says that's right. But that's why the I mean so many people that you see is like the influencers, is like the exvangelical stuff is just people who we're super fundamental. Yeah through their college years that we just have now gone like you know, they're also fundamental, but the other fundamental yes, yeah, yeah, they're militant about their new beliefs. Yep. Anyway, I agree in yeah, so did this playboy guy. Sure, I could get a couple articles Christian comedian featured. So they established in the sixties, did not have a good reputation in the sixties. Most of the people involved in it were pretty they were very wealthy. It was founded by a group of twelve very wealthy individuals, and then the majority of the early followers were incredibly wealthy people like very successful oil tycoons, business people, candy tycoons, you know, very successful tycoons of something. Yeah, we need to tycoon it, roller coasters, zoo and so by the seventies, I played school tycoon. I'm serious, did not play school tacoon. It would be kind of cool to be a private school tycoon's. I mean that's what every college institution is is. Oh, it's interesting when you put it that way, we should get into that. I mean, we're essentially doing a school right here. Technically speaking, this is a school typer issue. We should start a school, b we should teach. So in the seventies, they started promoting a drug known as LOT Trial the trial, the trial Trial. Yeah, if that's what you want to go with it, LA trial l A E t r I L E the trial, the trial, the trial. They said it was a cancer cure. Turns out it wasn't, and it actually gave you I'm trying to figure out how to pronounce it. Oh, it turns out its poison and it killed a bunch of people. But they were promoting it, and they even after it was like it came out of it was like, this is actually like very bad for you. It gave people sinaniine poisoning. Oh, and they were like this is cure's cancer. And the doctors were like, no, this gives you siniine poisoning because it's cyanide. And they're like, no, we're pretty sure it cures cancer. For a while after, like it was pretty clear that it's and then it was like, oh, well one of your members makes this stuff that's why you're campaigning for it. So this is the kind of group we're dealing with here, just drop ye yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, they did promote ivermactin and you know the twenty twenties, Oh John Birch Society did. Yeah, they literally did spoiler around LinkedIn. Yeah. And so the end of the Vietnam War comes around and they had a huge drop in membership, partially because the light the Trial thing, partially because of just kind of the change in the Cold War and everything like that, Like there wasn't as much of a communist like alarmist society going on, and a lot of people throughout their history were like, yeah, you guys are crazy, and like a lot of people joined and they didn't realize how crazy they were until they joined, and then they're like, oh, we don't really want to be a part of this, and so it it slipped a lot. And then their founder got shot down by a Soviet jet. Down by a jet is different than yeah he did. This was in the early nineties. Remember it was like a pan Am flight. Oh the plane Yeah, yeah, he was picturing him getting out of a vehicle and that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's pretty aggressive. Remember the commercial airliner that got shot down by the Soviet Yeah, and so he was on that flight and that made a lot of more interest. That kind of pop off for them because they were like, why are they shooting down the founder of this organization was coincidence, but conspiracy theorists didn't think so, and so sure, long story short, the organization continues to this day and a lot of people argue, like scholars are, Russia's favorite way to kill people shoot him down is their planes just crashing, Yeah, because it seems accidental. Yeah, but that time they didn't get the jet away fast enough. Everyone saw the jet do it, and they like, you could You gotta be sneakier about it. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, a lot of scholars have said that this has led to this organization was kind of like the seed that grew into a lot of right wing politics today, and what we see today is kind of the full grown thing that happened in the sixties. Yeah, so this is the John Birch Society. All of that to say, something interesting happened with the John Birch Society in the seventies. There was a couple of members of the society by the name of Floyd Paxton. This is Floyd Paxton. He invented something. I wonder if you could guess what he invented? What he invented? Something that you've used, honestly, probably close to every day of your life. Paxton. Yeah. Is it very rich, very very rich from inventing this thing? What's his name? They have offices globally pretty much every country. What's his name again, Floyd Paxton? Floyd Paxton, Yeah, invented in the seventies. Oh earlier than that, in the fifties. Yeah, probably forties, like that forties invented Bill Paxton, who went on to star in the nineties Twister movie. Watch. I watched every day the scene where they're at the drive in and the Shining is on. I've never watched the Shining, but I get scared from the scenes that are on the drive and Twister, you know what I'm talking about. And when they go to ants his aunt's house after her house is like destroyed by the whatever, and you just hear the wind chimes. Yeah, every time I hear wind chimes, I I'm going to die at a tornado tonight. Yeah. So what did Floyd Paxton invent? You're pretty close. He actually invented the bread clips on the bread packaging. Have you ever opened up bread every day of my life? Have you opened bread recently? Or fruit that has that little clip on it? Fruit? The plastic clip, oh you're saying, like like on a bag. Made him so rich because he's there. His company is the one company globally. There's a couple other small ones, but pretty much the only company that makes those. To this day, they have offices of globally. Dang it, dude, we gotta get rich. We gotta invent something stupid. Yeah, so he invented that, got ridiculously rich. Join this group. Was one of the founding members, was like the third member of this group. What about? What about? Here's my idea. Yeah, shoelaces and they're like squiggly and then you just pull them tide. Crazy idea, crazy idea. It'd be cool if no one else thought of that. Okay, another guy put a wheel in the shoe, like on the front. Can you imagine if they were in the toes, if the wheel was of the toe tozies. Everyone's doing the n runs. Uh careful, second guy, the second guy, it's like an important person here. This guy Nelson b Hunt. This guy looks like and not in like the anti Semitic way, but in the everything else about him way, because I don't think he looks Jewish, but looks like the bank tellers in Harry Potter. Oh yeah he does. Actually that he does level of old without that old goblins yeah stuff. Yeah he does. He does look that old. His gigantic weird smirk. Yea. Yeah, he looks like he does look evil. That's what I'm saying. He looks like a batman villain got old. Yeah, he genuinely does. He genuinely does. This is Nelson behind. Guess what he's rich for? Is it hunts ketchup? No? Oh Nelson behunt? Yeah, Nelson be hunting Actually, you know the hunts ketchup. So when I was growing up, my grandma Have I told you about this? My grandma wouldn't buy Hines ketchup, okay, because John Carrey's wife is the heiress of the Hins stuff, and so she was like, I'm not going to give buying Hines is giving money to the Democrats, And so we had hunts ketchup growing up. Another example of the one eighty yes objectively better ketchups better the Democrats Liberals make good ketchup uh. Nelson behunt. He is rich because his dad was rich. Oh you know what he did? God born. So his dad was an oil baron. He in harided the company and his dad, gosh, we should have rich dads. Why do we think of it? Why don't we think of being an heir? No, so his dad the myth. And I don't think that I wished it. I wish I wished it. I wished it. So I believe in like multiple lives and what like when you die, you start a new one. Yeah, that's for the bit. But at the end of my last life, I said, I hope I come back as an error, as an error. That's what the genie heard. What I'm saying. I said error, er, you were saying error, they thought, and they were like said error yeah, yeah, yeah, my bad, yeah yeah my error and yeah. So then the genie made you a comedian and I'm paying for her since oh my god, his dad his so his dad h l hunt. Yeah, this is his dad. Guy looks rich too. Dad he got into oil and the story most people don't think this is true, but the story that he would tell was that he won a really good game of poker, and then he bought an oil show I'm afraid of one hundred years from now. Yeah, we got people being like his grandpa was a crypto tycoon. You know, like we'll have those people. Maybe probably not, but you know, so here's where the meat of this episode's coming from. Great Nels Nelson be Hunt the Goblin. Hey, if you're enjoying this episode, a great way you can help us out as by sharing it. Send it to your friends. Click that share link, send them the link and say, hey, this is a little show that I watched sometimes that I think you might like to watch sometimes. And your friends will say this is weird, but it's okay. There'll eventually start laughing at it. I think maybe it depends what kind of friends you have. If you have someone, I hope you do, this is a great way to help uh. In the early seventies, he got into silver speculation. He bought and I kid you not a third of the world's silver speculation. This he bought, and this is not an exaggeration, a third of the world's supply of silver to create an artificial supply and demand crisis, and then sold a bunch of silver and maybe what Black is doing with houses exactly. He just had enough money to buy saying more radically, more radical things. It's like, you know, pushed us to the brink. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I just look at the camera. Yeah yeah. And so him and his brothers were involved in this. It wasn't just he wasn't about only one speculative. Yeah, they go, I think that's so, I think speculation. I think that's silver. So they Tim doesn't want to do bits. They bought one hundred million ounces of silver. They made somewhere, and we're not sure exactly somewhere between two and four billion dollars off this scheme. Duelers globally were campaigning against them, saying, these people this is why, so you're like ruining the market. K was running ads, yeah, saying these people are the reason why your silver rings cost so much. Like they were running like attack ads on the Hunt Family Free disc begins with K Jewelers putting out distracks and they ended up they ended up in a big lawsuit in UH in eighty eight and they had to file for Chapter eleven bankruptcy as a result of it. Do the jewelers did. No, No, the brothers. The brothers did because lost all the money because of the lawsuits. They lost so much money in the lawsuits that they had to file for bankruptcy. So they must have lost to do what they did. Yes, yeah, it's illegal to artificially influence the market. Yeah crazy, Yeah, how that's illegal to do? So? Yeah, so that's interesting, jewelers. I have a proposition. So do you want to take on the hedge fund with me? Okay, so let's kiss while all of this. I like the idea of a guy making the deal with corporate bring it in. I like the idea that it's not like they're like, I'm a kisser. It's like they think that's how K works. It's like that's how they don't. It's not an it's like a kiss deal. I'm so glad that we've come together. So I guess I guess you guys we agree, Like, all right, I'll see you guys next Wednesday. Glad we got the deal done. Sir? What are you doing, sir? Sir? Slightly open? I told you guys kissed a lot. I'm sorry I misunderstood. I didn't. You're you should talk to your branding in the parking stupid, stupid. They don't kiss each other in the office with the zeo kiss each other? You kiss what they don't GISs? Of course you don't kiss. Sugar gets home to his parents. How still is at home obviously, so apparently they don't kiss. Thanks Dad, all those lessons, mom, Dad, I think we got scammed that business school you sent to. Maybe we should sue him. Alf the courses were about kissing. That's a weird noise to making this bit. Okay. So he's doing this silver trading thing and you know, getting in trouble for it. While he's doing this, he gets contacted by the the President of the Philippines type that the it's like you can't hear anything over your typing. He was the President of the Philippines. I couldn't remember his first name, Ferddan E. Marcos. So he was a big president. A lot of people didn't like him. He got ousted and sent to Hawaii. Ironically, his son, no, his son now is the President of the Philippines. Bogbong that's his name. Bogbong Marcos is the President of the Philippines. And then Ferdinand was a president at the time, Ferdinand sends a letter to Nelson Hunt and he says, Hey, proposition for you. He says, have you heard of Yamashita's gold? Have you heard of Yamashida's gold? No, should we go a step deeper. Yamashidah's Gold was a allegedly, allegedly a stash of gold somewhere in the Philippines from a Japanese general named Yamashida Okay during World War two. While they were doing what Japan was doing in World War two, which was taking every country nearby. They were like, there's a big war going on, We're gonna invade everything close to us and take it. And so they were doing that. They amassed a massive fortune of just goods that they stole from everywhere they went. Sure, some reason, as the story goes, they couldn't get the gold back to mainland Japan. I don't know why, but they couldn't get it back to mainland Japan. So they hit it in caves in the Philippines. Sure, allegedly there was somewhere north of two hundred billion dollars worth of gold and a cave in the Philippines, and that was Yamashida's gold. Okay. No one knew where it was though, because when they were storing this, they were Yamashita and the other members of like the Japanese elite were so like careful with it. They didn't want this to get lost because they knew it was worth a lot that they would. They brought in a bunch of Japanese engineers and soldiers to transport it, and after they finished transporting it and getting it into its secure location, they killed them all so that way no one would have all the soldiers. Yeah, they said, no one's going to know where this is except for us, and they killed everyone who moved it there. You gotta have some foresight on that, you know, if you're the one helping hide all the gold, you gotta be like, I don't think they're gonna I don't know if they're gonna let me remember this. Yeah, yeah, so that's Yamashita's gold. Okay. Nelson be Hunt gets a letter in the mail and it says confidential Nelson's eyes only. He said, should have put a last name. I don't know if I'm the Nelson who's to look at that? And it's opened and retaped shut so someone else looked at this. I mean, if I'm the mailman, let's be real, who knows to be a man? Yeah? I know, yeah, every every time I go through my neighborhood, I'm opening up mailboxes looking through strue. But if you see me outside your mailbox, no you didn't, my mail just anybody's. So he gets this letter and uh, Ferdinand Marcos is like, hey, just so you know, I found the treasure. And he's like, he's like, but here's the problem. I've been trying to sell it. No one will buy it because it's close enough to the war that everyone knows this is stolen goods, and so everyone's afraid that it's going to get traced back and they're going to go to prison for having it. So I can't sell this stuff. I can't get any money off of it. And he says, I heard that you had this new technique. Because he works in oil and like ground stuff ground, He's like, I heard you have this new technique to melt down gold that's like untraceable, and I will give you fourteen million dollars of it. He says, all you for helping me. The President of the Philippines, signed Ferdinand Marcos misspelled yeahm also also ps send this to five of your friends, or you will be haunted for forever. An eternity is. So he gets this letter and he looks at it and he's like, he's like, this is interesting. He doesn't say, whatever you said fourteen million. He says, I'll give you two billion dollars if you can help me melt this down. This is the original prince of the Philippines. Yes, kinda. So he sees this and he's like, this is very interesting, and he's like, Okay, he's all I need to do is I need to get the gold to my smelting plant, which I think is in like northern Idaho. And he's like, he's like, all, that's all I need to do. And he's like, but that's going to be a tough thing. And so uh, he arranges this plan where Ferdinand would get shipped to a Now, let's try not to make fun of the way I say this. Okay, Jared, Uh, he's gonna he's gonna ship the gold into a bank, and NASA Bahamas say that right, uh, And then they were going to have the bank transport it from that bank. It was the Bank of Canada and NASA Bahamas to their branch in Canada just north of the border of Idaho, and then he was going to personally smuggle it across the border to his smelting plank. That was the plan. He said, this sounds great, but I remember, take a look at him. Died and not the smuggling type. Oh, you're gonna be like, but I died before this plan could take place. He's like, but I'm unfortunately not the smuggling type. So he's like, he's like, I needed smuggling. I need someone who's good at smuggling, okay, And so luckily he knows a guy, Floyd Paxton, who he's like, this guy is good at smuggling stuff. Why I don't know. Maybe because he's like he's like, he can put stuff in bags and they won't spill because he's got the clips. He's got really good clips. I don't know. I don't know why he has elected him, but he contacted him and he's like, hey, are you interested. I'll give you one hundred million dollars of my two billion. Then I'm gonna make out of this, okay. So these two, these two men, they put together a plot to smuggle in Muchita's gold, so they can melt it down and then sell it, give it back to the President of the Philippines and become a billion and millionaire billion Uh. They start be come to rich guys too, rich guys that are already very rich guys. They're both already very rich guys. They're going to become very richer guys thanks to this plot. So they start That's how being rich works. It's very hard to mess up being rich. Yeah, it's incredible that some people do it. I mean, they filed chapter eleven and they're still rich. They're still super That's what I'm saying. It's very hard to mess up being a rich person. Yeah. Anyways, Uh so they started working on this plan, putting it together, putting the pieces of a in motion. Things are rolling, and then Floyd Paxton has a sudden heart attack and dies. Wow, and you know why, I knew that. I'm from the US twenty thirty seven. And so after Floyd Paxson dies, Nelson contacts the President and it's like, hey, there's been a change of plans. My smuggler died. I'm gonna have to find a new one. And for some reason, Ferdinand Market is like deals off I don't know why, but cuts the deal. It's like, You're not a part of this anymore. I'm not going to have you be involved. Sure, and then he gets austed from government. Years later and there I don't know, mid two thousands, Bombong gets elected president and Bombong says, I know where the treasure is still and so allegedly Bombong can still pursue it and still finish it. Who is Bongbong going to use to finish this? We don't know. There has been no record, there's no there's no I'm not making any allusions to who we think might do that. Anyways. It might be someone who's a part of the might be so John Birch, who's willing to throw forty four billion dollars around anyways. In a completely unrelated note, Nelson b Hunt his brother, the brother that he did the Silver scheme with, that they whatever. You want to know who that is? Yeah? Is it Lamar Hunt? It's Lamar Hunt? Is it for real? His brother was Lamar Hunt. They did the Silver scheme together. Lamar wasn't a part of this gold scheme, but they did the Silver scheme together. If you don't know who Lamar Hunt is, that's the owner, old owner of the Chiefs, his son Clark Hunt now as the team founded the Yeah, yeah, big deal for the NFL. And uh sketchy ties man, always sketchy ties. Yeah, always sketchy ties. Anyways, that's the story of how the John Birch Society was founded and led to a potentially gigantic gold scheme, like the biggest treasure scheme of all time could still take place, could still potentially maybe all lies on Lamar Hunt. Yeah, son, I mean, if the chief Stadium gets built without the tax thing, then there's some questions. We got to call Bombong. Have you seen his apartment in the stadium. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean it was kind of God. It's dated, it's very it's pretty gaudy. But it's pretty sick to have that big in the stadium. It's pretty sick. I wish I could do that. I should have been born to a rich day Bias boxes one day, should have been a rich dude's grandson, should have been a lucky poker player's grandson. If only a fall not too late to investigate. Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you liked it, we have a past episode about l Ron Hubbard, the guy you know the start Scientology. It's a fun episode, it's a wild story, a crazy person. So if you like this episode, I'm sure you'll like that episode. You go to check that out and if you want to see next week's episode. A great way you can do that is by becoming a patron. 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The John Birch Society was a controversial right-wing political group founded in 1958 by wealthy businessman Robert Welch. Named after John Birch, an American missionary and military intelligence officer killed by Chinese communists in 1945, the group was staunchly anti-communist and promoted limited government and states’ rights. Legacy of the John Birch Society At its peak in the 1960s, the … Read More

Did A Time Traveler Really Tell The Future on an Early 2000s Forum?

06-25-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome to this episode. This week, we're talking about John Teeter, a man who was on a forum in the early two thousands claiming to be a time traveler, had a bunch of evidence and all this stuff, and so we learned about all the things he did in his time travel. We talked about the theory of time travel a little bit. And this is a comedy podcast where we're here to kind of joke around and laugh and then also just learn useless information. So welcome to things I learned last night. If you've not seen us before, I'm sure this will be your last time. Thanks for hanging out. If you have seen us before and you like it, share it with somebody, tell us somebody about our show. It really helps us a lot. So let's get into this episode. Hey man, what's going on? Have you ever heard of John Teeter? John Teter t tour Teeter Teeter t spelled Teter Teeter totter t I t o r t I t o R. I'm a t I t o r John Teeter. How far down the web page is it? Because this whole time you're talking, you're just heard John Teeter. It's a it's a nervous thing, a never ending Google pagon. It's never ending Google. Yeah, I'm just I've tried to see all the options. Okay, it was John Teeter, John Teeter. Okay, hold on, this is important before we get into this. On the way in today, I passed a car at all. I can't tell you how much I don't want to hear this story. Okay, So on the way in to day, I passed a car that had a sticker that I'm pretty sure is a one of one. Like I'm pretty sure they made it on their cricket and stuck it down their car. And this guy, this guy was like, I mean, he was a soccer dad by all intents and purposes, not a minivan. It was like a not a soccer dad. Well, I mean that kid, that kid's a sport thing. But he was like a team sport. He was wearing like I didn't couldn't see his legs because it's car, but I because of car, I bet he was wearing like plaid slacks and like a polo his legs because of car, but were plaids slacks I don't know, but I'm sure plaid slacks. And then he had a polo on and like like a cassio like like I wore, but like with the calculator on it, I couldn't see his wrist that well, but I'm assumed. But anyways, and glasses, big glass like the big glasses, like the trendy pastor glasses. And then single sticker. This is like an old suv, like a nineties suv. It's an old suv. Single sticker, bottom left corner of the car. The Gatorade logo and black Gatoraide logo and black and then over the logo the lightning bowl. Yeah, the lightning bolt. And then over the logo was the text that just said Gatorade should be thicker. It's not this funny. It's not, I mean, and it's kind of when you think you never thought about that. So you saw that sticker and now you're kind of like, damn, it should be. It is pretty thin. You wanted to come with one of those thick milkshake straws, you know, That's what I think. After a good game, I want to crack open a cold Gatorade. I'm just freaking and get maybe an ounce out of there because so thick. I think You're done with this, don't grab it don't grab it like it's things should be thicker. I think you should not. Crazy one, holy cow. All right, here we go. Let's talk about John Teters. It's got to be an inside joke from something. I'm sure there's a podcast out there that has a bit that's like gatorade should be thick? Yeah? Probably, I mean it did? It looked homemade. It looked like a homemade sticker. It didn't look like that. It was like a job shipping company made No. No, our stickers look like they came from a job shipping company. Oh you're saying it was cut out? Yeah, yeah, it came from a cricket. I'm pretty sade should be thicker. Well, that's a movement that I could get behind all these lids trying to thin up our gatorade? Quench your thirst? How much supposed to get quenched with such a food and drink? I love it so much? Okay, John Teeter, this is a guy, all right. The first time I saw a bodybuilder too, I called the police. I said, here is very shot man. It's dangerous. How good this guy looks. That's what I want to say about it was supposed to send this episode of five people the hat Ma things I learned last night. John Teeter is a guy that got famous in the two thousand and two thousand and one on the internet forums. Okay, specifically on the on Art Bell's post to post blog or forum. You know that Art Bell had a radio and AM radio station called Coast to Coast Radio. Yeah, and he had a blot or a forum called Post to Post, very clever, Post to Coast Post, Post to Post respect out it don't respect his his radio show though. His radio show is the hot garbage. And most of the stuff on the forums conspiracy. Yeah, it's conspiracy theory stuff. And uh, he's on AM radio. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Have you ever listened to AM radio? Why is it? Alic? Can you explain this to me real quick? Yeah? Why is it like that? The government the rothschilds. That's exactly what it's like, Alex, Can you explain why it does that? It's a really long explain. We got good. This is a podcast that's kind of the thing. I mean, it's all about how they're amplified. So so, yeah, is it? Well? Wavelength? I loved the pause when he considered it. When Alex was like, I mean it's kind of I'm sorry to do that. Give me, give me the like two sentence like Sparkann's version, I won't say anything. You're good. Yeah, I don't trust it. Okay, I really need to know. I really want to know what is it. I'll drink water so that you can talk. And it's just basically related. You spread that water on me. You spent that water on me. Okay, quick bole, he's coughing. Yeah. AM radio is built on a lower frequency band than FM radio, Okay, and it just has a smaller bandwidth that you're able to send audio in, so it kind of is wavelengths. Yeah, okay. Interesting. I mean you had to have known as soon as I sipped the water that I was gonna do that. Yeah, but I expect you to do it on the floor like I do. No. Would you know what would happen if I spit on you like that? I'll be mad. I'd be really mad. That's a good I don't believe in germs. Okay, So John Teeter showed up on the blogs. Are on the forums? Do you need to take a breather? Oh? I just I think it went on my lungs. Okay, that's good. For you. Is it on your computer? Probably, that's fine. I can't read so John Teeter he he showed up on the post to post forums. Okay, there's no easy way to say this. I'll rip it off like a band aid. Does he say he's like a government official? Close? Okay. He says he is a from the future. He's from the year twenty thirty six, and he's here on a specific mission for the the I don't feel like twenty thirty six is far enough. The seventeen or one hundred and seventy seventh Time Travel Division of the US government that says, tempest tempest eatax rerum, it's supposed to be rerun. They it's a typo. No, it's it basically means time devours all. Okay, yep, so that's cool. That's actually kind of freaking hardy sick. But yeah, so he was, Well, I'm saying twenty thirty six doesn't feel far enough in the future for you to be like, I'm from the future. That's like I came back thirty three years. Well, he went back farther. He made a pit stop in the two thousands, and I'll explain the story of why he did well let's see that. Let's just explain the story of his life. So John Teeter, according to we have hundreds of posts that he made in this forum that was kind of over two thousand and two thousand and one, and so through those two years he was on a mission. And what he did in his in his leisure time was he went on the post to post forums and posted about the future and talked tos. Yeah, that was his time traveling. Yeah, that was when yeah, yeah, exactly. And so he told us. What I'm saying is so many of these things, like you're on a forum, right, and someone's like, eh, no, one just goes yeah, I don't think this is what he would do. Yeah, he wouldn't come to this obscure forum. Well, there is an explanation for why that we will get into. So well, there had to be someone someone was like, why are you here? Yeah, So he was born in the nineties, John Teeter, he's he's one of us, a millennial, just like us. And in two thousand he's he time travels back. So he's from twenty thirty six. Oh, he's claiming he's born in the night. Yeah. So this is his story. We're going to follow his story based on the story we got from a series of posts. We'll put it together into a unified story, sure, and then we'll we'll uh, you know, talk about it. Well, you was he born one of us, Okay, he's a millennial. He was born in the early nineties. And then in y two k happens. That was a big deal, and it led to a bunch of issues in the world. And he claimed that there was Waco type events happening every weekend, and that kind of spiraled into this Civil War in the United States where the United States government became what everyone's afraid the tyrannical topped out. Yeah, you know, sure, So this war erupted. And when he was a child, it's like two thousand and four. So he's like, I don't know, eight nine, ten, something like that. The army came through his neighborhood. I was like knocking on everybody's doors and like taking people away. And so him and his family they grabbed their go bags and they go. They left. They left, and they went to Florida because that was one of the safe havens for the people, was Florida, and they became sure, they joined a farming community started farming, farming in Florida. Yeah, Florida farm. And he spent his youth in Florida during the Civil War farming and like kind of learning. Great, you know, this typical upbringing. Sure, And and then in twenty fifteen, Russia they said, hey, the United States is weak. Now now's their chance, and so they nuked the most likely of target, Jackson, Mississippi. Yeah. Well, because in this timeline, Bruno Mars still exists in the way that he does, right, Yeah, yeah, his song it's like Jackson. So you're saying that that was he was a Soviet spy and that was a target list that he was that that's exactly what. Yeah. No, I'm glad you're right into that. A lot of people aren't smart enough, but you're a smart boy. And then and then of course then they started nuke and stuff that made a little bit more sense, like New York, DCLA, all the stuff that like people sometimes because I live there, Yeah, sometimes when I'm just like on my back porch or like making some food in the kitchen, I go these can remember the last few seconds alive. You know, Los Angeles is a pretty unlikely nuclear target, is it more? Where our nukes are. Yeah, they so most most like professional defense people will agree that what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is not likely to happen again because that was a war crime, right, and the I don't remember what generals. I don't know which general it was. It might have been LeMay, It might have been Curtis LeMay. But one of them told uh other officials in the military. He was like, he's like, there's a really active military based military targets. There weren't, and there wasn't. So it was like it was based on a lie. And whether that was he was accurate or it was like false information he got is that's why they hit population centers. Most most documentary that the idea, Yeah, that the idea is not to hit population centers, is to hit the nuclear targets and to disable nuclear armaments, not to destroy everyone. That is, assuming that the person pulling the trigger is not a psychopath though. Yeah, but that's the thing, is that anybody who's willing to pull the nuclear trigger is a psychopath. Yeah, so yeah, there's there is a potential of that, I guess, yeah, but it's historically the higher likelihood is like Montana is getting nuked than La. That's why I don't want to live there. Why do you want to live in La? Least likelihood of getting hit by a nuke? Yeah, Montana is a higher nuclear threat, higher higher risk of my car getting broken into. But those are the sacrifices I make. I think they did say that Kansas City is like fifth or sixth on the list because of the stealth bombers. Really m hmm, Yeah, there's there's like a list of like here's what they would hit first and the like witch missiles in the where a black white men, what air first place is white men? Yeah, whitmen. Yeah. Yeah, that's where we housed our stealth bombers, and so Kansas City would be an early target. That's what I want you to think. I'm pretty close. Honestly, I might evaporate. I mean I could potentially be in the evaporation range, which that's what I think where cooking it could be it. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be in the non evaporation because like there's no because in like the movies, like people are like, oh, we see him coming, now you don't you don't? Yeah, yeah, yeah it happens. You have no idea. Yeah, that's what the story of the guy who survived both of them. Yeah. Yeah, it was just all of a sudden, he's flipping through the air. Anyways, So now that we have that fun discussion, so the nukes hit and in the story, what happens is the Russia will It's like, hey, you guys are weak, get them all your week. We're gonna hit you with a bunch of nukes. Yeah, Jackson, Mississippi. Yeah, Kansas City's on the list. And so then of course the United States retaliates. It's like a tour. It's like a they have a tour poster. It's like it's like, here's the cities we're coming to. Can we make a shirt? No, no, we can't. Nuclear Winter nineteen sixty eight, like y, it's like the top targets. Nuclear Winter Tour nineteen sixty eight featuring Soviet Russia holds the war criminals accountable if you in, yeah, but the you in it's everybody else who survived the war. It's all the other countries that it's all the countries that won. They go and they try the war criminals, but we're we're the bad guys. Yeah, so we have to lose a war, yeah, okay, and then they'll and then they try you yeah yeah, it's yeah. You lose a war, you go to jail. It's kind of the way war works. Anyways. All of us are just well the general the people at the top go to jail. Everybody else gets assimilated into society, their society, and whatever that society looks like. You might be a who knows, you might be working on their labor camps. If they're a labor camp society. They're not a labor camp society, then you might be working at their burger king. Who knows. You just get assimilated to whatever assimilate means in that Okay. Anyways, back to John Teeter. John Teeter, the war breaks out right, the United super response they send the nukes to and then every other country in the world that has nukes is like, oh, we want to do this too, and so they start nuke also. Yeah, and just all of a sudden, for like forty eight hours, just the world just gets erupted to this nuclear catastrophe. Okay, he survives, uh yeah, three hundred million people die, He's not one of them, which I feel like for an all out nuclear war, is a pretty low number. Yeah, you would think they're potentially Yeah, yeah, you would think it'd be higher. If it's like the whole world is getting in on it, it would definitely like yeah, we're we're all throwing our absolutely, But he did say three hundred died documentary say, if the nuclear war broke out, I don't remember what number was. It was hot, it was like, I mean, it would be three hundred million who got struck immediately. I mean that that's what he's saying. Three hundred million people died overnight, and then you would have all the people who would die like as a result, it would be like literally half the population of the radiation and then starvation after and then yeah, and then people killing each other because there's a lack of resources. Yeah, it's anyways, So there will still be podcasting, just so you know, if a nuclear war breaks out and like we go to like a fallout type world, we're still going to be on the surface just doing this. Yeah, but and you'll have to come live, like we won't be able to there will be no internet. Well, there'll be a radio. It's a different wavelength, that's have you ever heard of John Peter, Oh, yeah, yesterday and also when I was a child. Before we get too far into this, I want to tell you about this degress, just saying about how thin gatorade is. I wish it was thick, like my catorade, Like I like my milkshakes. I like them thick. 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We can do it and okay, there's been conspiracy theories ever since that they oh that they broke that we're in a different time, we're in a different Yeah, we're in an alternate universe because of what they did, right, and that's why there's Mendela effects. Okay, because we're now in a different universe where everything's slightly different. Yeah, and so that's the that's the story CERN started setting and they figured out through that research the Mendela fucting happened, and then they were like, oh, hey, I think we figured out time, and so that led to a lot of research. Nuclear war happens. They continue that research, and then in twenty thirty something, early twenty thirties, get this Ge. General Electric takes that research and invents the world's first time machine. Okay, and GE says, this is useful. You just got to get in, reach out, hit spin cycle, hit thirty five minutes, and then close the door. Yeah, and then you can move through time. Your motion's sick, careful, And so the way this works is essentially the time machine is this little black box, unmarked, very inconspicuous. Well, no, I was going to say more like urban chic, like like MacBook. You know, like just unmarked like very And the way it works is you set your your dates. You have to set your coordinates too, because you have to account for orbit and where you're going to move in space, space and time. Yeah, you have to calculate both of those things. And then the two ends of the boxes create small black holes and then they suck you through time, those black holes and space to the location. Yeah, and then it brings you back to the spot where you need to be. Typically, what people will do when they chility time is they will acquire a vehicle from that time frame so that way they look like they fit in that time. So if you're going to the nineties, you would get like a ninety one hot Odyssey because you're like, I want to look like I belong and you sit it in your Honda and then you push it and it suck you in your Honda too. Oh you take your car with you? Yeah, maybe take belongings. Yeah, you can take whatever. Like there's like a field that it creates, and so it brings everything within that field with you. And so you got to be kind of aware of your surroundings. Like if you're if the coyote walks by you which, by the way, I saw coyote at the airport where you're like pulling in the airport. I saw now in the airport, lock waves and coyotes. I was like, oh, hey, everyone's been talking about emotion in l a coyote and uh, Carol, Carol, he'll bite you. He's just super protective of my emotions. I'm pretty sure he's got rabies. Oh I'm not pretty sure. I'm I'm made sure. I'm just welcome to the VET. Why are you here today? I gave my coyote rabies? No, no, no, no, oh. I was wondering if you have. I just want to know if this coyote has any rabies. And they test them and it's no, and you're like, okay, right in front of the vat is that a crime to give an animal intentionally give an animal rabies? Yeah, but if it's your pet out statute implementations. So what do you mean you saw? Why Why did you say I saw a coyote at the airport in l in l A. Yeah, yeah, that makes yeah, yeah, they've got them. Yeah. It was. It was interesting because because there was obviously there's two of them running around our drive right there, there's coyotes out here, and there's coyotes back home in Denver, there are way more coyotes. It was it was weird seeing it. I think it was weird because it was also six am and so there's nobody out yet. But it was also weird because it's like the Bourbank Airport is like a densely populated area. It's weird to see them and that they're in context. Yeah, like the whole thing. It's very odd. And people in the next door app will talk about them as if they are gang members, and they'll be like, I just saw some coyotes. You know, everyone locked your doors. I just love some coyotes checking door it off, That's what I'm saying. I saw pulling doormatoes and cars and something like. They're crazy. We didn't do it go around at the when I was doing my pallet size and stuff because we were getting ready to land here in Kansas City and there was a coyote chilling in the middle of the runway, deer in the headlights. Look, you know, that's what I was like, all right, we'll go on. I guess we'll try it again. You know that's crazy. Yeah, normally out here and even in Indiana Jones that coyote, you know what I'm saying, normally out here and endever you see him in like green spaces, like on the edges of town. Well there's the city green space. Yeah, I guess that's true. Well there's green space. There's just no like you know, edge of town. Yeah, Like the homes go into the mountains and all of a sudden you're like, oh we're in the wilders now, yeah, yeh yeah. Yeah. Anyways, and there's a lot of try to eat, yeah, let's try yeah, and a lot of a lot of people's pets get hit by cars. Yeah. They and the coyotes are like thank you. Yeah, yeah they probably they are probably living as far as like coyotes are concerned, like the best life any coyotes ever lived. I've made sure they are. Like they're like catching coyotes and giving them like Gucci sweaters. So do you how many syringes of rabies do you have? Okay, the coyote population and outside in the Denver area was really really high. So are coyotes Like they didn't have there was a supplying demand issue there. They didn't have enough to eat. Oh yeah, so they were starved. They were tiny, like very thin and like scrawny that it was an actual issue. I talked about it around. Well, yeah, out here, there's not very many coyotes, said. The first time I saw one out here, I called animal control and I said, there is a giant kyote. It is I think, I literally said. I was like, this coyote is jacked. You need to get somebody out here like this. And they were like freaking swall sure cut yeah, because I've never seen a coyote that healthy before. The first time I saw a bodybuilder too, I called the police. I said, here, he is very shacked. Man, it's dangerous. How good this guy looks? Okay, that's what I want people to say about me, Alex's write that down. I just I can feel it. I want people to say it about me, so bad, sood that guy looks? Oh enough about You're out of context, by the way. I know, it's dangerous. How good looking that guy is? So so johny Okay, Actually give a couple of coyotes back, and that's what I'm saying. How big is the field? I don't know how big the field? Yeah, I don't know if we have that information, but it creates a field large enough to bring nineteen ninety one hot honestly sure back in time. So he enlists in the military to join their time travel division, and he's like, he's like, I want to help, and I don't really know what's going on in the world at this time, because like there was a civil war, but then there was a nuclear war, right, and so I don't know if like things changed after that or if they're still just disjointed but also leveled. Yeah, and at this point, the nuclear war was twenty one years ago, so it's like there's probably like a rebuild society that's like starting to form. Like it's like, I don't know, I mean maybe it's like a fallout world. I don't know, Like I don't know what the situation is, right, But the government still exists, and he joins the military. General Electric still exists, uh, and he starts training for time travel. Okay, and in time travel, he said, the majority of time travel training, like you learn how the box works, you learn how all this stuff happens and stuff like that, and you learn about like how to do missions and things like that, But the biggest thing that they teach you is how to meet yourself because I think it's like psychologically like a tough thing to do. Yeah, and especially because you're do you have to talk to your not always, but you can, okay. Uh. And he explains it. He said, it's it's a very odd experience because when you're time traveling, like you're, you can't you can't time travel in your timeline. It's not possible to time travel in your timeline. So every time you're time traveling, you're you're going to a different alternate universe and time traveling within that timeline. And so you that's how you meet yourself because you're not technically meeting yourself, you're meeting alternate reality you and when you're time traveling, and so when you're meeting alternate reality, it's all say, whatever you're meeting. When you're meeting alternate reality you, it's slightly different than you, but it's like still you like it's like you can see in one reality. You really let yourself go. Yeah, you're like, oh, you're slightly your voice is like half an octave higher, and you're like, anyway, I'm like, why are you talking like that? Why are you talking like that? What? I like that? Okay, its like a jarring experience to meet yourself in the alternate reality because there's something different about it, it's slightly different, and it's also just like psychologically hard to talk to yourself when it's actually like not talking to yourself, you know what I'm saying. Maybe, but also like does it is there guaranteed there's a difference with you, Like you're the difference in that universe. That's pretty self centered. Yeah, because you're from a different universe. It's not self centered, it's it's you are the main character in the story at that point because you came from a different universe into the universe you don't belong in, right, right, So it's not saying that, like you know, if you meet yourself, why would ether you have anything different about them? The different timelines doesn't necessarily mean every there's there's small details of every single person and every little thing that's it literally could just be like coyotes can talk in that one. I mean, I guess, I guess sure theoretically not even like you go, you go what I'm saying, because like if you go to a different timeline, Yeah, the only thing that makes it like this is a different timeline is there is one small thing that is different. Yeah, and that could be. I mean, I guess it's possible. Technically speaking, you're rolling the dice on everything that exists, exactly more likely than not, the majority of things are slightly different. There is a chance you land in a universe where the majority of things are similar and there's like one or two things that are the same universe. You're married to a different person. Yeah, that would be charring. They had to train for that. Okay. Anyways, so he does this training and then he gets his assignment, and so the assignment interesting assignment. Sure, so go to two thousand in two thousand and one, well close ish, maybe I don't know. So here's the thing. He gets sent back in time because he needed to go to meet his grandfather in the eighties and the point of this mission. Oh no, he was sent back to nineteen seventy five and he was supposed to get an IBM fifty one hundred computer. Have you seen these? No? Oops, IBM fifty one hundred, yes, basically one of the first personal computers. If you don't know what they look like. Picture of box that someone that a kid made look like a computer. It's it's got a giant, really fat keyboard, a disc tray that's not a disc tray, it's probably a floppy disc tray. And then a screen that is just like unusably small. Yeah, just calculators so impractically like why is this here small? And then some random switches. This computer. He was sent to go get this computer because there was they were facing the Eunix year twenty thirty eight problem. Have you heard of this? You facing the Unix year twenty thirty eight problem. You've heard of that, right? You know what I'm talking about. It's facing the Monks of Santa Barbara's twenty seventy five problem. You know I'm talking about. So the Unix twenty thirty thirty eight problem is a problem. So there is y two K. You remember why two k? Right? Y two k? If you don't know what that was? For some reason, was when computers measured everything from the two digit number system. So ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand was a problem because then it was going to flip to double zeros. Everyone thought the computers were not going to know what to do with that. They were going to freak out. It's going to mess up with our data and everything was going to come crashing down. We were going to fall back into the Bronze age was what everyone was afraid of. Yeah, computers were absolutely fine with it. They were like, hey, we're smarter than you, idiots, That's what they said. Yeah, thing happened. But in his world, in his timeline, something did happen. It was a problem in his timeline, and so in his timeline they were That was the one difference. That was the one difference that also he is also the nuclear war and everything else came for a civil war waterfly effect. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. Also, he has red hairs, she said, sucking in there. There is a similar problem coming up in a few years called the year twenty thirty eight problem. This is a thing that exists. This is a real thing, Okay. And so in nineteen seventy four, I think nineteen seventy, they invented Unix time. I shouldn't say they created Unix time. And Unix time was essentially we're going to count time from this point whatever, nineteen seventy something January nineteen seventy in milliseconds. And that was obviously going to be a lot of milliseconds. And that's they said, this is how computers will know what time it is. Look at this, they'll say the number is three hundred million, as like, okay, so it's two thousand and one, like whatever, whatever year that would be. Sure it would convert that. Well, they're a and I can't remember what level processing system, but let's say thirty two bit for big sure for conversation. Thirty two bit processing system can only process so many integers in a number, and once you hit I think it's six billion or sixty billions something like that, it can't process even one more digit, and so that would break your timecode. So essentially the same problem in January twenty thirty eight. There's no possible more time, like a computer can't add any more time to this system. And so what they needed is they needed to upgrade all the systems. But the problem was humanity is just like humanity has always been, and they just never upgraded them. Sure, and that now the problems like becoming like a hey, we've only got a couple months to figure this out. Okay. Luckily, this computer manufactured by IBM in nineteen seventy five had a special debugging software that most computers aren't manufactured with that can debug this system and change it, and so they needed to change it. The problem was all of them were destroyed in the nuclear war. Luckily, they have time travels, so they can go like time travel back in time to go get one of these, okay, to fix the problem, to use the DBUG software fix the problem, then the save the world. Okay, so he can sit back to nineteen seventy five to get one of these because he's the one who's selected because his dad or his grandpa, his grandpa bought one at release and so he so they were like, hey, we know your grandpa bought one of these. We actually have those kind of records. Those records survived the nuclear war. Was a receipt for a purchase in nineteen seventy four that we know your granddad, Grandpappy in Jackson, Mississippi. He went by corn Pop and he had an IBM computer. Yes, yeah, and we want you to go. We want you to go get it from him. We want you to go steal a man that you won't recognize because you have red hair. And when you show, you're gonna show up. He's forty six, your forty six, it's not like you're my grandpa. He'll shoot you on the spot again. Mississippis bas Mississippi and good luck, good luck. Hey, thanks for being here for this episode of Thanks A Last Night. If you want to help us grow our show, the easiest way to do that is to share it. Send this link to somebody, be like, hey, this is a fun podcast I listened to. I would love it if you would listen to it with me, because that's probably how you found the show. Someone you know shared it with you and you were like, this is pretty good, and so it helps us a lot, and it makes it so that we can keep doing this and make episodes until one of us DIESIM, but please share it and I will still be here after he's long gone. So he goes back in time. He meets his grandpa. He does like a meet cute with him at an Applebee's. He's like reaching for a napkin. He's like sorry, He's like, excuse me. We look a lot alike, don't we. Man, If I had red hair, I would think I was you. I have your eyes. I literally, yeah, literally, I saved him. If you die, we cut out your eyes and we cremated the recipe, but we've got your eyes on a jar. You watch over him, it's like, look, it's your eyes. Some stranger with red hair comes up to you and says, I cut your eyes in a jar for the future. Okay, just do the episode. So he meets him, and he meets him out in public, builds a relationship, builds some trust with him, Yeah, gets him to invite him over to his house, and then like, does like the big reveal, tells him reveal. Yeah, he does the big reveal. Oh, I would just tell his house. Yeah, So he does the big computer. They're kind of hard to take. He does the big reveal. He tells him what's up, and he's like, so, Grandpa, I need your IBM And Grandpa says, what pry it from my cold dead hands. Grandpa says, hold on. So you're telling me you're from the future. You're from the future, and when you leave, you're gonna go back to your timeline. But we're in different timelines. He said, yes. He's like, don't you know what happens in two thousand? Well, he says, he says, because you are in this timeline, your actions influence our timeline though, correct, he said, yes, but like our rules were supposed to be very we're very strict on what we're allowed to do and influence, like we're not supposed to influence a new timeline. And he says, but would it be possible that if you had interactions with specific people then you could change the events in this timeline And he says, I suppose yes, that is possible for me to do. And he says, okay, I'll make you a deal. He says, grandson, Graham, baby John. He says, if you go to the future, when you go back to the future, if you make a pit stop in the year two thousand, meet yourself, meet your father. And he's like, He's like, just and interact with them. He said, see them, and please talk to them and do whatever you need to do to change reality so that way our timeline doesn't have to face the civil war and the nuclear war and the terrible things that happened in your timeline. And he says, I'll visit them. And he says, but I can't promise that I'm going to do anything, like it's a very It's so he told his grandpa about the new clear Wars all that. Yeah, he told him everything he told the whole story, and he's like, I want to make sure that you don't have to suffer that. You know, we could make some changes now. No, but he says, he says, he says, if you go two thousand two k, you can influence that. And he says, I'm not going to influence anything, but I'll go visit them and I can warn them or whatever. Yeah, And so he goes to the year two thousand, makes the pit stop on the way back. He's got the computer with him, makes the pit stop on the way back, and when he gets there, he meets his dad and he meets himself as a child, and he said, your hair is not red. And they he builds a relationship with them and he realizes he's like, he's like, man, I do have to kill them in my timeline to be dominant and for me to have become a time traveler, I have to let them die. Yeah, And so he says, he says, I want I need to prevent the calamity, the coming calamity. Oh. Only after he's met himself, Yeah, because he go, now, I have compassion in my now that I see that this affects me, that I see it affects me personally, kind of okay. He joins the forum and he says, I'm gonna spill the beans and hopefully telling everybody the reality dad that it affected. I'm going to do everything I can to stop these tragedies. Www dot post to post dot org. I'm sure it's a org. I don't know today is I'm not from here. What day is it? Come on, dad, Monday? He's yeah, he's like forty five June eighth, two thousand, that was what it was. June two thousand was a Monday. Yeah, yeah, you sure, yeah, Thursday in my timeline. What is this to her state? You're saying we don't have that where I'm at. Whatever. So he's like, I'm gonna go post on an obscure blog. That's what I'm saying, Like, what, okay? Yeah, yeah, So he he does it is like I actually work at the White House. You could tell the President, no, no, I need to do this. George wouldn't get it. So he does the war w w w w ST's for War War War George W. Bush. So I was talking about websites, George world Ward. So he uh, he you know, does his He does this form thing for and then sometime in two thousand and one, he's like, all right, it's time that I go back to my time. I'll see you guys later, and so he leaves. He's like, itels a good time for me to get out of here. So he leaves. He goes back to there's nothing else might stop. I have done it all, I have fixed the world. It's time in two thousand and one for me to leave. So long, suckers, you're on your own. I mean, he prevented the nuclear disaster in the Civil war. I mean, you give and take. I can't prevent everything. So he leaves, but his he did have. So he told all his stories of the war and the stuff that never all this stuff that never happened, but he was trying to prevent this stuff from happening. So it makes sense that that stuff, okay, happened. But he did talk about some stuff in there that did still happen. A couple of the most noteworthy things was the mad cow disease outbreak in the early two thousands. Predicted that and like even said it was going to be in the early two thousands, which was interesting. He also said that starting in the late two thousands and into the early twenty tens. Media is getting to change forever, and he says there's not going to be media houses that run everything. Anyone is going to be able to create their own music, videos, audio and put it out for the world to have access to. Over the course of the twenty tens, we're going to see that even through nuclear war, we still got Spotify. Well in his timeline, I guess that that didn't happen. I don't really understand the ik, but yeah, Spotify and TikTok. He was basically alluding towards Spotify and TikTok and YouTube and stuff like that. Sure in the early in two thousands, and that's accurate. Those are the only things that are are accurate that he predicted. There's a couple of other things, but they're all small. You could I mean, it's just like Einstein. Yeah. Yeah, so a lot of people, there's no way to go back in the past and be like, hey, guys, look out for nine to eleven. Without that, you then becoming the main suspect. Yeah. Everyone's like, yeah, how did he know? Yeah? I was just thinking about that. There's some pretty notable events that you could just be like this is going to happen. I guess you could predict like Katrina, Yeah, that this guy got blamed for. That's what I'm saying, Like, there's really no way to warn the people in the past without it it seeming like you did it. And I mean, if it's if the butterfly effects. Actually that would be my defense in court if I ever actually do something, I'd be like, this's my time travel was rying. I know, I knew it was. I was going to steal all their body future and by doing that, you probably would end up with an insanity plea oh and get off scot free. No. So a lot of people really believe this in the early two thousands because people were young and impressionable, especially the audience of Coast to Coast AM and Post to Post. What about the hosts of Coast to Coast, Oh, big fan of this stuff. Our bell you could used to be able to fax stuff to his radio show and he would read it. Okay, is that a faxt or is that air? It's a little both. He's killing the bird. That's a pigeon carrier that came to him. We're am radio. We don't have to raise and yeah, he was he read some of his posts on air because he was he was he loved the idea and whether he loved it or not, this guy was an Alex Jones type guy. I mean not Alex Jones because he wasn't as like understandings what but just like, yeah, he knows what's working. We got a time traveler in are four. We actually have a time traveler on a discord. And if you want to see all that stuff, you have to be a Patreons, you know, because he's predicted some stuff, he said, some stuff that's happened. Yeah. Yeah, he predicted you moving to la Yeah, he told me. He told us that in January. He was like, I predicted that long time ago. Yeah yeah, And we were like, wow, I can't believe you knew that was he said. But he said, I don't think he knows what you're is. He's like, guys, in two thousand and eight, the financial collapses comment, we were like, yeah, buddy, he said, yeah, you better build up that emergency fund while you can. Yeah. So a lot of people bought it, Okay, some people didn't, And to this day it's kind of surprising. You look around the internet. There's a lot of people who still believe it and and YouTube videos and stuff and acting like this was like a real time traveler and he saved us from a nuclear war in a civil war from what he did, and act like he's like some kind of hero and whether and it's it's it's tough with these these things because it's like, yeah, it's like are you just making content because you know it's gonna work, yeah, or like do you genuinely believe this stuff? But also it's like, you know, I can't prove he didn't save us from a nuclear war. Yeah, yeah, there's no way to know for sure. But anyways, in twenty eighteen, a dude bout the name of Joseph Mattiney. He created an alternate reality game called Ong's hat O n g Ok, which is an early like the Internet game. Okay, he came out and was like, yeah, me and my friends made that up because we wanted to see if we could create an Internet myth and if it could catch on. So we made it up and the character was like loosely based on John Connor from the Terminator, And so they said, if you if you read the post, like you can kind of see the like fingerprints of John Connor in there. And you can also tell if you read different posts which one of us was posting it, because the like tone changes a little bit, and like the storyline is a little different depending on who's who's making the posts. He said, So it was it was all just kind of a he said. It wasn't a prank, but it was like a It was like a study. It was like to run that guy work for the CIA. Yeah, but it turns out there that guy's a time traveler, that guy's from the future. But I've done that once past we have. I was there, we had time travel in the past. No, I'm saying I was in the nineties. I was there. Oh yeah you're yeah, yeah, we are all from the past. Technically, it's what I was getting at. Now. I created one of those, not to this level, but one of those email forward chains where it was like, if you don't send this to five people, you're gonna get yeah, you say. I can't remember exactly what it was, something like demonic. It was like, if you don't send this, you're gonna be haunted sort of thing. Sure, because I thought I thought it was like, it's more believable if it's that. And then if it's like I'm gonna get your money, like I'm a prince or something, I want to find you. Yeah, send this to five people going to get you people, I'm gonna so it's supposed to send this episode of five people that's going to get you. That should absolutely be our marketing kits for this to five people, or you're gonna see the hat. I love that a lot, actually, but yeah, it got back to me, and I remember that was one of the proudest moments of my life. When I was like eleven, I was like, well, I said, it is, and he texted it back. Later it was months later. I emailed it to a bunch of I emailed it to a bunch of people and probably from my own email, Bruce Willis at MSN dot it's a nervous George W. Bush at yahoo dot com. Now his email was wartime is here George Bush, George war Bush at hotmail dot com. Uh so, yeah, so and it got back to me and I was I was friends with George Bush on a I m anyway, this was this was the time of the Internet when people believe stuff like that, though like, well, I should believe that's what I'm saying. People are like, yeah, my pin pal is this, and you're like, okay. That was a time when though, like you would see on social people would share those posts. It'd share this to five people or see yeah, you know. And I don't know if his people believed it or if it was just everyone was a child that we knew at the time. I never forwarded any of those text things. I forwarded them because I forwarded them. And here's why, I'll tell you why. Because I was like, I was like, this isn't real. But I was like, but what if I was like, I'll say, I know this is wrong, but there's a chance. But just in case, nine times out of ten this is a lie, but this could be one of the one times out of ten. So I'm not gonna and look how your life turned out perfect. It's because I always forwarded it. Be perfect. So if you want your life to turn out perfect, send this to five friends. My life's falling apart. It's because he never said this to five friends. All right. Anyways, that's the sort of John Teeter, Oh, the time traveler whose story is most likely false, but potentially maybe there could be a chance we're in an alternate timeline and that's why you got none of that work just in case. Yeah, there's a chance, there's a chance that this is a true story. Anyways, I feel like there's a word we say here, but I think I'm from an alternate time where I don't know what it is. Oh, puddle of mud? Is that you can we get their rights to a puddle of mud song to put their that that costs I don't know. Hey, thanks for being here for that whole episode. If you enjoyed that topic of time travel. We recently did another episode called the Cursey Time Slip as a group of like young royal scouts who were, you know, following their orders of going to a different town. They were doing this training stuff and then halfway to another town, they were like, wait a minute, something seems off. And they claim that they went all the way back a couple hundred years in time and then came back and there was like some kind of overlap of a time portal kind of thing. And so we again talk about the theories of time travel. We bring up Einstein's legitimate theories of time travel. It's a great episode. You'll like it a lot if you have watched all the other episodes. You're like, I've already seen that one and I've seen all the other ones. 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In the early 2000s, a man named John Titor appeared on internet forums, claiming to be a time traveler from 2036. Throughout several posts in 2000 and 2001, Titor shared the elaborate story of how he was sent back in time on a mission to retrieve an old IBM computer that contained special debugging software needed to avert a technological … Read More

Man Wrongly Convicted for Causing Devastating 1993 Flood | Ep 228

06-18-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, welcome. This week we talk about James Scott and the flood of nineteen ninety three. The Mississippi River flooded and the levees broke, and for some reason people in this town were like, we bet this guy did it. And so we all talk about the flood, how it happened, and then how it got pinned on one person, and the outcome of that trial. So this is a comedy podcast. We joke around a lot, and every week we learn about an interesting topic. So we're really glad you're here for this episode. Let's get into it. Hey man, what's up? Bang bang baby? You ready for this? James Scott? You ever heard of the guy James Scott. James he wrote the national anthem? He might have actually no, no, uh, James Scott. Yeah, he's back to the future. No, here's James Scott. Great Scott, Oh, great Scott. Yeah, he's James Scott's one. Though could be honestly, honestly though, given the subject, the content of James Scott's character, uh, it could be. See I like these because we've given you an intro of this episode so far. You know you already know I'm something. I'm sitting in the mystery. Right, you're sitting in the dark. Here's what something interesting happens, he says. I reinforced it, and it looked like it was going to be good. So I went out for drinks. I came back. I reinforced it. I saw that it was good, so I took a day off. God could do it. I could do it right. I saw that it was good, so I took a shabbot. Things I learned last night? So who is Jamescott? Okay, well, to tell you about James Scott, I can tell you about. To tell you about James Scott, I got to tell you about something else first before I can tell you about James Scott. Have you ever heard of Mississippi m I've dabbled, so if you don't know, the Mississippi River is a gigantic river that runs down the central United States. Think of the Nile, but in the United States. Yeah, there's actually a paramid on it. We have a paramid right on the not on the Mississippi, Oh, the one in Memphis. And I was like, what anyway got it? You know, I never thought about that. But do you think they named that town Memphis because it was on America's Nile. I'm sorry, what do you think they named that town Memphis because it's on America's nile. Saying it's saying it's slower is like when do you when you encounter someone who doesn't speak English and you go, do you think what is your logic here? Because Memphis is named after Egypt. And if they thought that, then if they thought that Mississippi was America's Nile, like I'm saying, then maybe they were saying, Okay, we're naming it this because this is oh see, yes, okay. So the Modesty was founded in eighteen nineteen and named Memphis. The name was chosen because the ancient city Memphis, Egypt, was found as thousands of a year before the US even existed, but like Memphis, Tennessee, it was also located on a great River, the Nile. We just learned something on this podcast, more than we're gonna learn in the rest of the episode, but it's interesting. And then they built the pyramid there. Is that why they put the pyramid there? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they built the perramid because it's Memphis, Tennessee. I thought they found it there. I thought that it's crazy that this is here. Yeah, yeah, it was a stadium originally it was the basketball stadium. We've been inside? Did you go to you with me? Or is that my brother? My brother went. I haven't been inside. We went to the parking lot so I could that's right, and then we were like, it'd be cool if we went in there, and then we just kept driving. Don't know why we didn't. It's I think it was closed that day. Oh. I think they were like, it's just it's just it is and I can't orristate this. It is just bad pro like so like there's it's it's hotels. It's a hotel. Yeah, I've seen photos and your patio of the hotel overlooks and I can't make this any more clear. Bass Pro sh it's interesting. I've seen pictures. I haven't been in, but I bet that would be cool at night when they close bass Pro and you just hear the water and the like the frogs. You can get into the bass Pro part of the hotel. I I don't want you to, but you can get in there. I canude in. You're on the seventh floor and you just got the new bounced up there. The guy's on the back and he's singing to you to jump. And what I used to get all that? That? Oh way, oh okay. All I got was the first note. The first note was I'll be home for Christmas. Oh my bad, oh me. He just pushes the off the back wall. It's pretty long. It's a long fall. So anyway. The Mississippi River, Yeah, the Mississippi River, big river in the United Central United States, America's nile. That's why they named it Memphis, and that's why they built the pyramid. Were all caught up on that, right. You wouldn't You wouldn't believe they named the nile the nile because it was africacause Mississippi. The Mississippi River in nineteen ninety three flooded, really bad flood all across the entire year nineteen ninety three. They call it the Great Flood of nineteen ninety three, an insane bib biblical proportions flood. There was seven hundred and forty five miles worth of the Mississippi Basin was flooded and caused twenty three to thirty billion dollars in damage in today's two dollars. Fifty people died in the incident. Massive massive, like I cannot over say enough help. It's hard over state. It's hard to overstate. Yeah, you're making a joke about a cat like a catastrophic event. I was making past Pro out, Well do you think that people aren't alive? And him, Well, the fifty of them died. Tim, that was bad to say. You should write an apology. I'm sorry. I'm sorry bass Pro for the flood. He didn't cause it. Don't take responsibility. I don't take responsibility for the flood. But I don't take responsibility at all. But I am sorry for you. I guess, okay, I do. Actually, this is something you probably can relate to. Great. Oh, hold on, this is so here's I'm gonna show you pa. Oh wait, you took the one that was up there. I did. I did. Yeah, I'm doubling up, baby, my second bang of the day. That's why I said bang bang. Yeah, I say one. If it's one, Okay, it's done, five of three. Let's we get past three. All bets are off. Okay, here we go. So here's something you'll recognize. This is jeff City, Missouri. Yeah. Oh, that's that's the So it went up to the capitol. Yeah, it went out there. What's crazy is jeff City is forty miles from the river. So true at all? Yeah, so that's crazy. It was a pretty serious flood. Okay, this is so I love that everyone still went to work. Cars are it. Well, here's the thing. This was a long term flood, Like this lasted long time. Life went on and you just kind of had to reroute yourself. Yeah. A lot of bridges closed along the river. And it wasn't just I should clarify, it wasn't just the Mississippi River. It was all along the central US. They're not exactly sure for sure for positive how this happened. They think that there was a volcanic water that it worked its way into the Mississippi River and then and increased rainfall together caused the river the water levels to swell, and they overtook levees across the country. Okay, so there's a foundation. How fast the flood happened, you know, I mean it was it was slow because they prepared so like they were is it getting bigger? They're like, hey, this water is high, and so they were sandbagging the river got along the Mississippi for months before the flood, like really flooded, so they knew. It was like, hey, this is getting deep, let's prepare. But they eventually the river always wins. So that's our foundation. Right now. We know about the ninety three Mississippi flood, and we know why Memphis, Tennessee has its name, all right, so we know we know enough to talk about James Scott. Now, okay, James Scott was a dude who lived in Quincy, Missouri. West Quincy, Missouri, which you probably know where this is because we've been to Hannibal. Yeah, we've been to Quincy, and so Quincy is a town along the mississ Oh I had Illinois. I've been to Hannibal. It's Quincy, Illinois. It's not Missouri. Well, there's West Quincy, Missouri. Quincy, Illinois. It's kind of like a Kansas City, Kansas, Kansas City, Missouri situation or St. Louis, Saint Louis. Yeah, I did the show with you in Hannibal. Well I didn't do it with you. I just came with you. It was a good show, Yeah, it is. We met some good people on that one. That was sometimes we meet people. That was that date. That was my highest paying gig i'd ever done. That's why I was like, you should go with me. You know, it was a it was a big deal. Yeah, that was two thousand and sixteen, seventeen. Yeah, I think it was seventeen because we were both living up here. Yeah. Yeah, we were both living up here at the time. Deal. Anyways, So James Scott in Quincy, West Quincy, Missouri. Yes, he he. He was a troubled youth. He spent his most of his upbringing burgalarizing people, and he got arrested a couple of times for it. Served a couple of stints in the prison in jeff City, actually the penitentiary actually is what they call it out there, the pen, the pen, and so he had a couple of arrests for that. He also had a couple arrests for arson. He he arsened his high school. Could you arson? Can you verb that? You just say? He said his school on fire? I like arsened though. He arsened his high school. And he also arsened. This sounds rough because it is. It's really rough. I don't want to act like it's not, but it is rough. He arsened his girlfriend's house when they were in a house in a fight and she was in there she got out, but he did arsen in her house, so he's he's a troubled youth. Sure. Like the day he did it, he and his best friend throw four and a half hours around trip, so like nine hours in the car, and at any point he could have just been like I feeling kind of sad, and instead he went home and he said his girlfriend's house on fire. And it's like, buddy, you could have just talked about your feelings. Man, you could have just brought it up. You could have just said something to me. Yeah. I think I even asked. I said, how's how's how's that girl whose house is totally intact and not on fire? And he was like, weird, thing's alright? Blue like that. But anyway, you don't remember that trip off. He may died that day because I saw the news when we were getting gas. Yeah, let's look it up. Oh, October fifth, seventeen. I know who that is. October sixth, twenty seventeen. October sixth, Yeah, so we were six days into our break goes fresh at that point. This episode's gonna be a little weird. Now I'm having all that feelings that I want to talk about. There's some tension. All right, ready, let's fight. The river always wins. So he is he's a troubled person. Yeah, he's been in and out of prison. He's done some bad things. Right, but what year is this now? It's nineteen ninety three now, oh so he has I mean yeah, ye, yeah, but I mean, like how old? Like what year is he growing up? You know what I'm saying? Like was he a teen in the He was born in sixty nine, Okay, so he was like an adult. He's married, teen through the eighties. Yeah, he's married. He served a long stint in prison for the arson thing, Okay, and now he's like he's actually it's ninety three. He's working at Burger King. So like the heyday of Burger King, I guess prime Burking. Chicken fingers, chicken fries just came out, not chicken fingers. Fries just came out, and holy crap, do you remember when chicken fries first came out? It was mind blow That was the craziest. You want to go get some chicken fries after this? Not at all. My body can't handle that. Your body can't handle that. You're thirty now, chicken fries, welcome to your thirties where you have to think about what you're doing tomorrow before you eat today. I'm not doing it even crazy tomorrow. Go ahead, I gotta fly home tomorrow night. I'm gonna be careful what I eat that sounds good. So otherwise all day you're like, that's what being thirty is is laying in bed at night and having to take a whole inventory of everything you ate that day because you're like, what made me feel this way? Turns out most stuffed, most things, most of the things you can eat are the problem. Yeah. Yeah, Big thirty is laying in your bed and being like, do we have any thumbs in the hall closet? Oh? No, I have no question that I keep him by my bed. We're here, We've made it. I made it. So he's a troubled person. Being thirty. Is you most recent Amazon purchase is a heating pad for your back? Yeah, we have a couple. Yeah, we've got those strategic locations about the house. Okay, So he's he's is he normal? Well adjusted? And this is Burger King's at their heyday. They haven't released their video game yet, this is pre ding fries are done. So yeah, but Burger King is still popping. I think burging is huge. Yeah, yeah, burger king at this time is I think they're trying to reach the MTV generation. Yeah, that's what they're doing. At this time. They're like, hey, we're high school Ah yeah, so they're doing all that stuff. What was our slogan? Then, Okay, let's go to make up sure we love high schoolers, trying to that generation. You know that that would be like that we love high schoolers is something that a youth pastor would would do and not realize what he's doing. Oh gosh, Oh my gosh. Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, A great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early. They get a discord with our host and producers. We get to do monthly hangouts we do there's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perse, but more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're gonna keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it to us and so like we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon. So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want a support, that's really fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. Okay, So in the nineties it was sometimes you've got to break the rules. Yeah the MTV. Yeah, early two thousands was it just tastes better, and then also they change it to have it your way, and now in twenty tenths, was tasty, good tastes you're king. I don't get the commercials. I don't think they're for me. They're not trying to reach me right now. I don't get the jingle that they're doing right now. Well, I think the jingle wasn't suppose to be funny. I think it was supposed to be a Memberal jingle, and but then they did that. They ran it so much that it's everywhere. And now the joke is that that jingle is in everything sound and so the meme is that like, no matter what you're watching them drops in ya have it your way, And it wasn't supposed to be funny, but now it is because they oversaid that because I don't. They spent too much money on it. Sure, yeah, yeah, that's why people laugh at me. We spent too much money on it. Yeah. So the flood starts and and this this is early flood era. It is not overflown, it's but it's it's swelling, right yeah. And Quincy is right on the river, and so Quincy is like, hey, we this is risky. And so everybody in town is like going and their sandbagging and they're volunteering, and they're like, hey, we're gonna put some stuff up, we're going to stand bag, We're going to do our part to help save the sound the town. Also, when you show jeff City earlier, that wasn't the Mississippi. That's what I said. That's why I said, yeah, I should say because I clarified, I said I should say that there's more than the Mississippi. Okay, flooding during this era. The Mississippi was kind of where it started. But the Mississippi feeds a bunch of rivers in this area. So the Mississippi floods. Everything else floods. Sure, yeah, the Nile floods. Everything floods. That's what they say. The pyramids and that's what is like, hold on, you know how they keep this dry? How'd they do that? Did you hear that they found? So, James Scott, I don't care whatever conspiracy or about to bring up. I don't care whatever. Weird thought that mentioning the Pyramids was like, did you hear they found? No? I wish I had a spray bob. So they're they're sandbag in the did you they're stand back of the levee trying to keep it from breaking. Okay, which do you know what a levee is? Yeah? I do know what it's made of? Hold on, what's the song to the levee and the levee? It was dry concrete? Right? I mean I guess it depends. I guess there probably could be concrete levees. I would assume that a concrete levee is probably a better levee than what these guys had. These guys just had a sand levee. Oh sure, yeah, yeah, there's built thing. Yeah yeah, but yeah, I guess I didn't realize before seeing this what a levee was. Okay, I assumed a levee was more like a damn but it was just a bunch of Yeah, thanks, I appreciate that. So they had a levee and they're sandbag in the levee, trying to like increase the height and the strength of this levee, I guess, And the whole town's coming out every day and they're loading these sandbags. National guards bringing all these sandbags in. Sure everyone's doing their part. I was doing their thing. Well. One day, James comes out and and uh, he's in at a different spot on the levee than most people are at and he notices, oh, this levee looks like it's about to break, and so he says, I'm gonna take he said. There's nobody else over here, he says, but I want to stick and there's like break. Levee's pretty weak, he says. He says, I want to help. I want to do my part, but like no one's around, so like I can't do this myself. And I should be very clear. It's getting close. Like, yeah, they brought a bunch of bulldozers in to bulldoze a bunch of dirt up, and like they are like really working over time to try to reinforce this because it's like we're It's kind of like when you stay with me for a second. It's kind of like when you're staying at holiday in when you're like seven, and you said, you said, look, it's been raining all day. We didn't get to go to the water park. Let's fill the bathtub. I'm going to go to the bathtub. Yeah, and you shove your socks in that top train so I can't see. This is where it like gets not relatable. You fill it up and then you go in the other room and wait for a minute while it's filling up. Because when you're at the holiday in with your mom and dad and they fill the bathtub up, and then your dad is like, okay, boys, time to get baptized. And you go in there and your dad holds you under water for like a long time and you have to be like and then well, then he takes you up, and then if you don't go shut it the bot, he puts you back in there, and then yeah, he keeps pulling you out until and then he asks he pulls you out, and every time he says did you see God? And if you say no, he puts you puts you back in eventually, and your mom's doing it to your brother in the sink at the same time. Yeah, he can't fight that hard. Yeah, you know. And then eventually one of the times you black out and you see God and then you come back and you're you're not, like I saw him. They wake up in the hospital and chop tread resources like, hey, these are your new parents, and you're like, oh okay, and you tell your parents and you're like, oh okay, and then you keep telling your new parents I saw God and they're like, yeah, sure you did, and you're like, but I did. They're like, okay, he told me. He told me your new parents are sinners. He said they like fruitcake. So to you, no, it's wild how your stories always take have a relatable start. And then you know, when you shove socks in the drain so nothing that you know, you're like, what are you talking about, dude, You've all filled the bathroble with water, and then it accidentally goes over. No, because if you have if you have the drain like the little two holes at the top of the tub, it doesn't it won't let you. It's designed to not let you overflow it. I know you're talking, but if you put your socks in the holes, then you can overflow and use socks. I feel like my socks were too big for you put the whole sock in. You just put the sock up against it and then just shoved your fingers through, so it like created a whole and then you folded it back over shoved your fingers through again. So anyways, it's like that where the dub is starting to overflow. Sure, but with the l the Mississippi River, it's getting really close and like put the socks in the drain and so he's like looking at it, and he's like, he's like this Parla Levy looks like it's getting really close, which, honestly, looking back on this, hindsight's twenty twenty. But looking back on this, a single guy looking at a single tiny portion point the Mississippi River and saying, this spot's gonna overflow. He says, let me grab some sandbags from this other spot that looks okay, and I'll go these sand bags and I'll reinforce this part and it makes vulnerability in the other part and so yeah, so he moves the sandbags, reinforces it, and he's like, who is he to the sandbags? What's his relationships? He's not related to the sand He worked for the city, the city. But here's the thing. It's not that he's a burger king employee. He happens to be local burger king. But here's the thing. It was the sort of thing where everybody in town was coming to the river and helping reinforce this. It wasn't like, it wasn't like he was just like everybody's help for a second, because it was like, my house is going to be underwater if I don't sure, So everybody's helping. But he was at a different spot, like everybody's down for the down on the levee because everybody reinforced that earlier that day, he happened to be on this side of Levey and he said, this doesn't look good. You guys don't do a great job. I'm going to fix it. But I'm going to fix it. The voice inside his mind was like, that's the and it's like and he's like, he's like, there's like a it's like a flute. He can hear a flute and he's like picking up. He looks at the wave and of the waves, it looks like a man just moving down the river, but it's like water. And he said, James, you've done well. So then wells out a couple of sand bags. So then this happens. If for the other audio listeners, it's a picture of a levee breaking. Is he over here? So this is the levee breaks on July sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, and it just comes rushing through like a lot. How how okay? How high up was the water over the level? Like, I don't know that. I know it was enough to flood, sure, I don't know how high it was. And uh so his helicopter image. Yeah, so local news is like, send someone over there to go get some news on this, and so they send a reporter over there and the reporter finds it finds James James, oh no, oh no. And so yeah, so they come up and they say, hey, you're the first person on the scene here. What happened? And he's like, I don't know. Well he says, he says, hey, I saw that. I saw that that looked like that was gonna break. So I started reinforcing it with some sandbags, and here's where something that interesting happens. He says, I reinforced it, and it looked like it was going to be good. So I went out for drinks. I came back, I reinforced it. I saw that it was good. So I took a day off. God could do it. I could do it right. I saw that it was good. So I took a Shabbat and and so he's like, he's like, I came back and I saw this, and that I saw you, and now I'm talking to you. And she was like, that's crazy. And so the this is a small town, right, yeah, he did this is on the news, and the local sheriff is watching the news and he's like, I know that guy, and I know that that guy probably did this. He went on purpose. Yeah, he's like, he's like, this guy did this, but they don't have like a warrant, they don't have anything to go on. This guy's a chicken fries liar chicken for fries, and so he looks in the system and he's like, hey, good news, though, this guy is wanted for burglary because he's been doing it again. Yeah. Yeah, And so they're like They're like, let's old habits die hard. Let's go grab him for burglary. We're gonna investigate it for burglary. And during the process, we're gonna question him about this flood thing. And so he did. He makes sah, they're stolen some merchandise from the Ben Franklin Soper colluded with Mother Nature to level our town. What does the word water mean to you? James? Hey, have you ever heard of Noah? What is your relation to the rain? Can you spell? And yeah? And just because he can spell it, that's it, that's his We got him. We know this, guys say in sc h D sanched. We're pretty sure you did have fun in jails. Jails. So he leaves, he gets questioned. They're like, okay, that was interesting. Those questions. Those questions we asked. Those are interesting. Your answers not so much. But we asked some interesting questions you're talking about. I was interesting those questions. We asked, Oh, I love them, good work, team. I asked them the questions. He got to leave for a second while they kind of gathered their things thought about it. Allegedly, he went to a bar that night and he bribed about flooding the town a legend. Can I get two miller lights and uh a pad on the back because I don't know, you guys know, but all this damage that's happening flooding, this guy, that's in my blood. I got flood for blood. I got flood blood. And it was it was a catastrophic flood. Here's a here's a shot of Oh god it is it is flooding. And this is uh all because of one breach in the levee. Yeah, the levee breached and and then the rest flood yea, and so uh. The police did their interview, they did their investigation. They called one of his friends, an older friend, like it was like he wasn't current friends with him, but an older friend with him. Yeah, somebody who hadn't seen he's got his life turned around. He's working at Burger King. Yeah, other old friends working at the other burger King in town six in this town is the I don't know. I'm just guessing Burger King was popping it this day. Did his uh did did his Burger King get flooded? I actually don't know. He's on the news just being like, yeah, I don't know, man, I just feel like break all the rules. It's their slogan, break the rules. Hi, yeah, there you go. You didn't get catch that because it just doesn't sound like a burger king, like the rules, break the rules. What does that have to do with burger king? It doesn't. It has to do with the high schoolers they want to attract. Yeah, yeah, you guys want to do here. The nineties high schoolers were such a odd Yeah. They were group of people. You know, they were aggressive. Yes, they were grungy, grungy and gross or words I would use. And I know you're listening right now in your media vain with your kids, and you were a nineties high schooler. Yeah, and if that offense, you look at a picture and look at how greasy your hair was, Look how gross you looked, nasty in your Jinko jeans. Stupid anyway. Anyways, so the police are doing this investigation. They asked this guy, they said, hey, do you think James did this? And he said, you know what, Yes, I haven't talked to James in a little bit, but I did hear that he was plotting to flood the town. Hold on, it gets better. What do you mean he's plotting to flood. He was just you know, ever since we were in high school. I remember being a kid and I went downstairs in the basement and he was upstairs with my mom, and he was just like, listen, Tammy, I'm gonna flood this town, flood this down. He says he had a plot to flood the town because he knew it would destroy the bridges so then it would trap his wife on the other side of the room so he could stay over here. In part, I mean, honey, I can't come home. I can't come home. The bridges are out. The bridge is out. All the bridges, all the bridges are out. Give me a drive all the way down to Hannibal to crossover. No, not gonna happen. We're just on the other side of the river. You know. I'll be back when they fix the bridge. Apparently there is a river wide enough to keep me from getting to you. So and it's the flood in Mississippi. Hey, if you're enjoying this episode, a great way you can help us out is by sharing it. Send it to your friends. Click that share link, send them the link and say, hey, this is a little show that I watched sometimes that I think you might like to watch sometimes and your friends will say this is weird, but it's okay. There'll eventually start laughing at it. I think maybe it depends what kind of friends you have. If you have someone I hope you do, this is a great way to help. And so the police were like, okay, we've got enough to arrest them. And so they get a warrant and they go arrest them and they say, hey, we're we're pretty sure you did the flood sure, And he was like, excuse me, you think I I guess you know. To me, the ocean flooding doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's like, just there's so much more room for the water out there, you know, like just go out there, Just go the other way. Why are you coming this way? Go the other way. The fact that science hasn't figured that out makes me really not put the water the ocean. Put the water in the place where there's a lot of water. That doesn't make any sense to me at all. Why are you putting the water? So? Why can't we drink ocean water yet? Come on, guys, come on figure this out. I could I could drink my pea with that straw but I can't drink the ocean water. And I'm talking about Starbucks straws. If you're wondering, they've got a cool filter. You know what I talked about? You guys, you guys hear how it's normal? No, you've heard of that. It's it's like a dumb little like why get the ocean water? You know? Oh, you know when you're the holiday and you put put water in the bats up and then he always goes, yeah, you can always I can drink my pea with this straw. Oh you just put your socks in the holes. I ever heard that. That's how you can make one at home. Straw suck life straw. That's what they're called, right, live straw. I have no idea what you're talking about. It. You can buy it on Amazon. It's for like bears girls, dudes. Then you can drink. You can drink like any water in the wilderness, and like you're not going to get sick off of it. It's got to filter, and it's gotta filter like all the way through. It's called a live straw, I'm pretty sure. And allegedly you can drink your own pea because it's going to filter. It all out, just be water when it gets to And I'm curious if the livestrap would work in with ocean water. Actually I've never heard of that. Would it work, Like, would it get the water out of this? It's a question. I don't know because we would have to we have to order one now, but like we would have to put it in a coke. Yeah, that's the test. Live straw products do not remove salt from water and shouldn't not be used on water sources such as ocean or seawater, other saltwater sources, or brackish water. So you're supposed to only use them with fresh water, fresh water, but just dirty fresh water. Yeah, it's the idea clean freshwater doesn't make any sense anyways. All right, So he gets arrested. No, no, dude, my p he's pretty salt. So he gets arrested and they're like, that's my biggest complaint. Okay, say the rest of him. And they say, James Scott, you're under arrest for flooding the town. And he says, excuse me, and they're like that's right. And so his defense comes and they're like this is preposterous, and they're like, have you seen the flood that's happening everywhere. You think he did this whole thing, Like, sure, maybe he moves some sandwich. Can't be mad at James, We have to be mad at God. This is God's fault. Fools, he says, Look how sinful you've been. Blame yourselves, they say. They bring in some scientists from a couple of different universities to do like soil samples, and they proved to be on a shadow of the doubt, both of them, and they like wrote peer reviewed articles saying that this these levees weren't going to break regardless of what happened. And they were like, they're like these were The police were like, and so the police they got their witness reports from these like four or five people who were like, yeah, we heard he was trying to just party and get away from his wife, so that's why he did it. And so they did this case. That's crazy. And they were like, look at his record. He's he's done some arsons, he's done some reglaries, Like he's the kind of trying to summon a tornado, and I think we should blame this f fournao on him because he just wanted to be out there. He wanted his wife to be up and away. He kept saying up and away, and then you get mumbling over his brother Burger King were sitting there and he's over, you know, the grill, just up and away, up and away, and that's just when he saysbod he flips the burgers three more days. So it'd be pretty wild if this was like that guy at my Starbucks in Springfield. Yeah, when I used to sit at Starbucks all the time. Yea, who do you remember me telling you this? He was another regular. He was always in there, like writing something on his laptop or like reading very thick books. I don't think he was actually reading. I think he just had thick books open and it was just like you know. And so I ventured out to talk to him, yeah, once, and he told me that his emotions control the weather and that when he's upset, it thunders and rains and uh. And I learned in that moment not to talk to strangers ever. Talked to another person ever again. Yeah, because like we had seen each other for two years and it had been like, oh, his name is Mike, and it like hey Mike, you know, and it's like you kind of know you kind of know. Then you have a conversation and he goes, he goes, by the way, I'm insane, By the way, I did that, And so he was planning on flooding Springfield. So that happens after that. Every time he came in out was raining. He winked at you. Yeah, I'm not joking though, it was like he looked at me like I knew his secret. Yeah, he was like, he's like rough day. He also he actually got banned from there because he became convinced, now I'm so serious. He became convinced that they were trying to poison him, and so he was like I do remember that as well, being like I know, you're trying to kill me. And it was like and he wasn't like a crazy homeless person who like says weird stuff. He was like a normal, normal person who came and worked on his laptop and read his book. It was on all of a sudden, was like, by the way, yeah that is I would summon a tornado. So they based on those reports then, yeah, they arrest him. Yeah, say he did it on purpose? Yeah, well and yeah, and in the trial they brought in environmentalists who said that there was eleven to twelve levy failures along that stretch of the Mississippi, and across the entire country there was failures, and so it's like, this is not a local thing, this is not limited to just this area. And they had like scientists who were like proving with evidence, like hard evidence to say this was gonna happen. Yeah, there's no connection. You can't connect this too. This is a wild flood that no one could have prepared for. Yeah. And then the prosecuting attorneys came out and they said, look, he did some arson, and also his friend thinks he did this. And the jury deliberates for four hours and comes back and finds him guilty of causing a catastrophe, and he gets you're right, I do hate this one. He gets charged with causing a catastrophe. No one died in the Quincy area, but they did. It was millions of dollars with the damage. And he gets twenty years to life. And the Missouri Attorney General saw this and was like that's bogus, and he's like try him again, and so he gets a retrial a year later, and they said, you can't use that like those witness reports that you used last time around, Yeah, with Bogus, And so they do it again and the jury again finds him guilty. It's twenty to life and how I do not know. It is interesting. There's a Vice documentary about this, and obviously it's a jury of your peers. And I think the biggest thing is he had this record, and everybody in town knew him, and everybody in town was affected by this, and everybody in town needed a scapegoat, and he was the easy one that they all already didn't like. Most of them knew somebody who he burglarized or arsened, and so they he was an easy target. And that Jerry just was like, yeah, it was him. It had to be this natural disaster had to be him. So did he get out of jail? And so twenty thirteen, he is up for parole. In twenty twenty six, wait, why is he still in jail? I don't know what he's still there. Here's a recent picture of him from his Vice documentary. He's up for parole. And here's the thing they said that basically, his parole officer was like, we'll let him out. We'll let him out if he like accepts responsibility and apologizes, and they're like, we're pretty confident he won't do that. So he probably will stay in prison because he won't accept responsibility for this, because he's he's maintained his innocence the whole time. He's been like, I was just trying to help, and he's like, he's like, yeah, it broke where I was trying to help. He's like, I was trying to help, like it was looking like it was going to break, whether I did it something or not. Here's what's interesting. There was a guy who testified against him by the name of Norman hare Well. Pronounce this h A E R R Hair. Okay, that's what I thought. Hair Norman Hair who is the president of the Fabious River Drainage District and the largest owner of land on the Missouri side of the Quincy Township area. Cool. He was uninsured and even if he was insured, a natural disaster is an act of God, and you do not get an insurance payment of it for it. But uh, an act of God. I don't know. It depends on the the tornado. I guess that's true. I guess that's true. I don't know. I don't know. But he wasn't insured. I know he was uninsured. He was uninsured, and it must be because he was uninsured that in that case with I don't know, however, the system was set up because he was uninsured. If it was an act of god, he was just kind of out of life. Probably didn't have flood insurance because he wouldn't think, oh, this is going to ever flood this bad, this bad. Yeah, maybe, but if there was a vandalism, he could claim it. So maybe he didn't have flood insurance, but he had normal insurance, right, and so he was able to get everything covered and had a massive insurance payout because this was an act of vandalism legally and not an act of God. And so a lot of people looked at him and say, yeah, he kind of swayed this because he wanted to get that payout for sure. And maybe he might have just testified him by himself. I don't know if he was the mastermind behind this whole thing. Wow, I hate that, Yeah, pretty much. Is the guy spend life in prison is probably spent a lot more time in prison unless he unless he says it's not worth it. I'm just gonna say I did it. So that way they give me parole. Honestly, for a lot of people who have been in prison that long, it just becomes like, a they've missed the he's been in prison since the nineties. Yeah, they've missed the entire technological year. Yeah. And at this point it's just like, yeah, I mean I know prison. Yeah, it's true, and I mean yeah he I mean, he talked about it in the documentary. He's like, he's like, I've missed everything. He's I missed my chance at everything. Yeah, it's a family d chance at a whole sadder out there chance at career, like yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to assimilate at this point is pretty tough. Yep, so pretty rough. I don't know if I think it's pretty obvious this guy didn't cause this flood he was. I think I think he was just trying to help. Uh. I think he was genuinely just trying to help. I really really seriously doubt he thought, hey, I'm gonna flood the hounds, I can party. There's a small chance though, that he saw it and was like, hey, here's my opportunity, here's my shot, and I can get a pretty good party. And if I do this lose yourself and if you pull it open down a whett flug, I have to see my wife because the song wasn't even out. Then yeah, yeah, you might be right. You might have done it. Then, I don't know when you put it, I don't know put it that way. It seems when you put it that way, he probably didn't. But when you go, I mean that really Yeah, when I think about it like that, I think it's crazy that the whole week leading up to the flood, he went on multiple road trips with his best friend, four and a half hour drives, and at no point that he has look over and go I'm about to fiddle off this whole town, dude, I'm about to fluddle off this town. Hey, thanks for sticking around to the end of this episode. If you liked that one. Speaking to Jail, there's an episode we did about the Barkley Marathons, which is inspired by two people who broke out of jail in the West Virginia Mountains. And then this guy was like, oh, that's a great idea for a marathon. We should make people run through the mountains. And so it's a crazy, crazy marathon that has only been fully finished by less than ten people, and so if you want to check that episode out, we have it somewhere around here. It's also the link in the description. We also have next week's episode available if you already listen to the whole back catalog, you're like Jared and I have listened to all like two hundred something episodes that you guys are put out. Great. Next week's episode is available right now to our Patreon supporter, so you can go join us on there. You can get ahead and we'll see you next week for another episode of things things like gosh, it was so good until the very end there, huh, just like our show. Our show has been so good until the end. Things are last night


In 1993, catastrophic flooding along the Mississippi River caused billions in damage and displaced thousands of people. Searching for someone to blame, the town of Quincy, Missouri, pinned the disaster on one man—James Scott. Despite a lack of evidence, Scott was convicted twice for intentionally causing a breach in the river levee that led to widespread flooding. He remains in … Read More

Sandy Jenkins Didn’t Make Enough Money, So He Stole

06-11-24

Episode Transcription

Hey, this week we talk about the Canterbury Tales. I don't know what that place was called the Collins Street Bakery. Okay, this week we talk about the Collins Street Bakery. Hey, welcome. We're talking about the Collin Street Bakery. And they're accountant who stole out of their money. Pretty good fraud, great fraud, such a good fraud. His wife didn't know what was going on, but they spent a lot of money. And then we just kind of talk about how that went down. So this is Tim. I'm jar and Tim teaches me something. I don't know what the topic is when we sit down, so it's kind of fun to just go for it. So Journey, it's a great episode. You're gonna learn some stuff. And we just kind of hang out and left and anyway, let's do it. Good fraud. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Sandy Jenkins? Sandy Jenkins? Yeah, Sandy Jenkins? All right, So we're what nineteen eighty four and we're in a town and let's call it Indiana? Are we Midwest Club? And okay, who's Sandy Jenkins? Sandy Jenkins? Well, here, let's do this. Have you ever heard of the Colin Street Bakery, The Colin Street Bakery, Oh, home of the original Deluxe fruit cake trademark. Yeah, I no, I guess not. Yeah, they have we learned about fruitcakes. They sell fruitcakes and they've been saw it's you. They sell fruitcakes. That's all we gotta say about that. Okay, they have for a long time, since eighteen ninety six. You know what, people over use the words world famous when people are like for our world famous sweet teas. Okay, to be fair, though, these are world famous fruitcakes. They literally ship them worldwide to like royalty, like the Queen of has ordered this multiple times a year since like nineteen oh seven, Like it's like a tradition. Oh, these are genuinely Like I agree with you, most people ever use world famous. It's not world famous. They just make They're just lying these people. They are world famous fruitcakes. Okay, these people genuinely I'm not even kidding when I say this, genuinely, Like we might not know about fruitcakes if it wasn't for Colin Street and their world famous deluxe fruitcakes. Okay, sorry, fruitcakes nerve for you. I'm just so bassionate about the con Street Bakeries fruitcakes man, like they people love these fruitcakes. I don't fruitcake is garbage, but a lot of people love fruitcakes from con Street Bakery. He is thinking about ninety eight thousand dollars a month on a Black America. I need a month. Yeah, and it's got the blacks, got the black yep. I want it so bad. If I got it, I wouldn't tell you guys, just so you know, I'd just recovery undercover bris. Are you on the show? Is this the show? Yeah? Things I learned last night. They started by family. Yeah. I was wondering how you're gonna pivot out of this. Just you just kept going. You're like, I freaking love him, dude, and the best thing I've ever had in my life. So in eighteen eighty six, it was started by the Colins family. Surprisingly, no, not even like it couldn't be further from the Colin Street just go Colin Street. Yeah, no, they were starting the episode. They were started by the McNutt family. And that's the truth. McNutt. This is I think Ken McNutt in this picture. Okay, they started a bakery together with the family. He's like the third or fourth generation. Okay, okay, coay, but anyway, it's like if Steve Irwin wasn't in the wilderness all the time, and Steve Irwin was domesticated investigated Steve. So it's just the khaki button up and like the really bright white teeth, yeah, blonde hair, and it does kind of vaguely look like him, like if you close your eyes, it was more like an adult version of his son. I guess, yeah, yeah, if you look at something else, you might think that's if you use your imagination. So col Street Bakery was on originally on Collin Street in Corsicana, Texas. I took this picture of the satellite so we can get an idea of where this is. This is about halfway between Waco and the Dallas Fort Worth area. If halfway was off to the side a little bit. Oh. So it's like on on I forty five. On I thirty five north of Waco, we see West Texas right there, see Abbott in West Texas. In West Texas. Yeah, there is the check Stop Bakery. Yeah, and that is Do they have world famous fruitcake there? World famous kawachies. They send those to the Queen of Ireland. Yes, she raves about them. Uh. And of course with Canna. I don't know a lot about the town, but what I can tell you is from what I've found, apparently like a pretty affluent town. Like people in this town, for some reason in the middle of this small town in the middle of Texas are pretty affluent. I don't know if they're commuters to Waco into Fort Worth. It seems like a long commute from there. But somehow there's an industry there where most of the people in this town are like keeping up with the Jones is like pretty affluent in Okay, that's an important detail. Sure, Contree Bakery been around for a long time, and Contree Bakery was kind of fashion forward, but without the fashion bakery forward. Okay. Uh, they were ahead of the game because they were doing mail and fruitcakes. So you could send a little letter and say, hey, I want this fruitcake, and they would mail the fruitcake to you no matter where you were in the world. Oh, they did very early, like early nineteen hundreds. They were mailing fruitcakes globally. Yeah, and maybe that's a testament to fruitcake that how long is it hold? I guess, I mean, I don't. I'm gonna be honest with you. In my two week old fruitcake. Yeah, I'm gonna be dead serious for a second. I don't do this podcast, but I would be dead serious for a second. I don't know if I've ever put a fruitcake in my mouth ever. Okay, so I don't say that I as a fruitcake. I'm assuming frulistic a look at it. It's definitely some kind of cake, and like some almonds. There's almonds on there. And then there's one of the green and red stuff. I think that's jello that looks it doesn't look like real fruit. Yeah, that's definitely some kind of jello or some candy. And then I wonder if in the cake there's fruits. I don't know. I wonder if there's a way for us to figure it out. You keep sitting in front of your computer and being like, I don't know how to look. Here's a picture. Let's look at it. Let's look at a picture and figure out what's in there. Okay, So fruit cake or let me read this to you. Fruitcake or fruitcake is a cake made of with candied or dried fruit, nuts, and spices and optionally, oh this is why it's popular optionally soaked in spirits. In the UK, so they're pretty big in the UK. Certain versions may be iced and decorated, so yeah, these look nasty. Yeah they don't look good. Oh, fruitcake was outlawed. Fruitcakes, I love fruitcakes were so rich that they were considered sinful and they were outlawed in Europe in the eighteenth century because they were so sill. This is so good interesting. Oh imagine that's pretty wild. You make a dessert so good that like the police are like, can't sell that. That's too good. I mean, yeah, that's got to be a confidence boost. Yeah, but it would also be pretty frustrating. Oh yeah, you black market that for sure. Anyways, so this bakery was a worldwide bakery. Is the point to try to make it it's a big deal. Where is it ailing from? All Corsicana, Texas? That's right. They now have like shops all around that area, like Waco, Corsicana, and then a bunch of little small towns along. Sure they're dotting it. They're big thing though, is like online orders, and then it was mailing orders. Now is online orders. Stop doing that? Stop that? I stopped that and now the online is like our big things. So they got a big market for online fruitcake sales. And they've got other baked kids. Sure. But the reason we're talking about this Sandy Jakins, This is Sandy Sandy Jenkins, Oh, was an accountant for Colin Street Bakery. Okay, and Colin Street, like I said, it's a global baker, it's a pretty big bakery. But he was the only accountant on staff for them. And he made about fifty thousand dollars a year, a modest salary. And they lived a good life, but they didn't live like a like good life. What year are we talking. This is early two thousands, okay, And Sandy was a little frustrated. He is not living his dream career. Yeah, selling fruitcakes. Yeah, well he's not even selling. He's the accountant. He's counting fruitcakes, taking account Yeah. And here's the deal. He did not make it into his dream career. In fact, his dad like swayed him away from his dream career because as a kid, yeah, he can't be a monster driver. Sandy, Well, as a kid, his dream job in kindergarten, all the other children want to be firefighters or work at McDonald's or something, and he he said, I want to be a funeral director. And his dad said, that's freaking weird. Hey, buddy, takes something up your when you walk, freaking me out. Why? Yeah, And that was like, that's a creepy thing to say as a child, to be a funeral director and ending up business cards to his teachers. Let me know when your friends die, you're going to go before and I'll be there for you and I'll direct your funeral. Uh. He says that his reasoning for this as a kid wasn't because of the body go, body go, flowers go, hours go. Don't you read the script? Everyone holds, everyone hold hold. Uh No, his reasoning for it wasn't the death and stuff. It wasn't like a dark thing it was. It was he noticed that every funeral he went to, which I guess he went to a few for him to pick up on this, but he knows every funeral he went to, the funeral director was the best dressed person there. And he's like, he's like, I want to be sharp, like the funeral directors. Yeah, and they always drive these like jet black cars and they like seem really cool. Yeah, the jet black cars and the huge back seats and like the long car was cool to drive. I want to drop my kids off to school in that. Yeah, his dad said, so that's freaking weird. Uh pick something else, being an accountant or something, Okay, And he's like he loved his dreams of hanging out with the dead to be an accountant. Scary thing for a five year old to say to you, A funeral director, I'd like to be a funeral director when I grow up. I'm sorry, I asked, honestly. Uh no, no, no, that's fine. That's fine, Sandy. That's a really good dream. Cool, that's a good dream. That's a good, really good dream. I'm going to call your I can't even lie to them. I'm gonna call your parents. I'm going to tell your parents who said that. See, that's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about having a weird kid, you know, because that is something that is a real concern, but also because the worst part about having a weird child is that your weird kid is going to make weird friends and then your house is just full of weird kids. It's weird all the time. Yeah. Yeah, and that's not something I want. Yeah, you don't want to be around that. There's a different there's different brands of weird though, Like there's certain brands of weird that's cool. But can you imagine the friends of the kid who wanted to be a funeral director. That's what I'm saying, like all of them. I'm thinking, like, you know, he goes to stay at the night at someone's house. Yeah, and you know, and he's telling the because he's obviously the kind of kid that all the other kids playing in the basement. And then he's upstairs talking to the kid's mom. Yeah, and it's it's a sleepover. He's wearing a double breasted suit. Yeah. Yeah, and then he like goes and changes his pajamas, silk pajamas, silk pajamas. Imagine he's like combed over, hair over. He's got a rolex. He's got a rolex on both of breast, he's got a he's got a rolex for daytime and then a nighttime role to put on my evening rolex. So tell me, Cassandra, you said he's got grape juice. You had said something about hmmm, welches, And she's crying because she had like her husband, right, because this I mean, he's a kid in the eighties, right, He's like he's like, can we put on a jazz record. He's not hitting on her. He's not hitting on her. He's not just how he hangs out. Yeah, he's not. This is not the scene. The scene is I want to listen to some jazz and jink. Welch is with my best friend. Mom with my best friend's no, no, no, that's his best friend. When his mom, when his mom is like, he's like, I want to say my best friend's house this weekend. He's talking about the mom tells his daddy, tells his dad, Hey, my best friend's son asked if I can stay the night? What was that? She thinks I'd be a great funeral director. She says, I'd be so good at that. We've we've done some funerals in the backyard. There's no dead one, there's nobody dead. It's just kind of his friends mysteriously started dying. And then he's like, Oh, that's a real shame. That really that's really sucks. Could I could I do that? Could I run that for you? What? You let let me take care of run this funeral? And it's going to cost got your stupid watch. Yeah we can talk about payment plans. Yeah, we can put you on a plan. I got the perfect suit for this. Yeah, no, no, no, your mom said it's fine. I already thought there, Yeah, this is that's Sandy Chikins. Okay, we faded the picture. Yeah, I think I think you get it. Thank you, gig exactly what we're talking about. So he's an accountant now, okay at Colin Street Bakery, and accounting is a tough job because you see all the money coming in, see so much money coming in, and then you see how much is coming to you. Yeah. Yeah, so is this like a fraud? So he's been he's been counting for them for a few years, make about fifty grand a year, and he wants a new car. He's got a kind of an older Lexus, but he wants like a new Lexus. Right, yeah, And it's important to reiterate like they live in Corsa, Kana, Texas. He and his wife are doing fine, like I want to say a fluent but they're doing fine. Well, they're doing good. The area is affluent. They compared to everybody else in there are dirt poor, but compared to the most people they are upper middle class. Me with where my wife works. Yes, yeah, that's very accurate. Yeah, everybody comes in and they're like, oh, yeah, we're one of the one of the parents that they actually super Bowl. My wife was wearing a Chief shirt and one of the kid's parents at the school that she works at, when, oh my gosh, were you there too, She's like, no, no, of course, I was so much fun last night. Yeah, last night. I told her to be like, yeah, yeah, for real, we were able to go to the super Bowl and be here today. Yes, that's a different kind of money, did you that's a four hour drive or a forty eight minute flight. Yep, yep. Anyway, your kid's here on time. And I teach them I didn't go to the super Bowl. Go to the super Bowl. I missed my dream career, so I couldn't make it to the super Bowl. So anyways, one day I wish I was hanging out with the dead. So one day he's sitting there accounting and he's dreaming of the Lexus he wants to buy that he's been saving up for four years, still isn't even close to having enough to buy it. And then he accidentally just clicks an extra zero and then he says, I have an idea. He says, what if I take the company credit card and I go buy Alexis. And so he gets off work and he takes the company card and he goes and he buys a Lexis so you can buy a car and a credit card. I just want to make sure, yeah, because I kind of I want to do this with my AMX. Yeah. I mean when I'm ready to go buy them my new car. Yeah. Do you think they're going to let me spend sixty eight thousand dollars on my AMEX? I gotta call Um're like, hey, listen, yeah, yeah, you'll definitely have to notify your credit card company. Can I approve this transaction of sixty eight thousand dollars? Yeah? I mean if you preapprove the transaction, surely it's fine. And I mean I guess it also depends how big your limit is and how I spit it. Sixty eight thousand dollars on it? Put it on this twenty nine percent APR card. Please, I'll pay for it. Eventually my bank will go under. Yeah, that's really. I don't got to outlast Toyota's got to outlast. So he goes and he buys this card on credit. Okay, then the next day, what he does is he prints off a check for the full amount from the accounting software, and the accounting software that they use prints the check automatically signs it from the owner of the company when they print it, so like that way, it just seems an oversight. And then he avoids the check in the system prints a new check for the same amount for one of their vendors. And so in the system, they spent whatever the value was the car, sixty eight thousand dollars on the vendor, So whoever their apple supplier was or whatever, Okay, sixty eight thousand dollars, and so, as far as the system's concerned, sixty eight thousand went to buy apples, but reality went to pay off that credit card where he purchased the the car. And he do you think he tried this with smaller transactions first, because I mean, hiding smaller you don't just go for a car. I don't maybe maybe, I don't know, I don't know. This is the first one we have a record of, so that I mean, there's a chance that there was some stuff before this. Sure he worked his way up to this is the first thing that we have record of, and he was terrified he did it. It was kind of like it's it almost sounds like it was a moment of weakness where it's like he's like, I want this car so bad they don't pay me well enough. I'm just going to freaking get it, and they're gonna pay for it. Yeah, and he did it, and he waited and waited and waited, and nobody noticed. Okay, So then he started getting curious. He was like, he's like, I wonder I can get some other stuff. Oh, this was the this was the first. Yeah, and so okay. So that same method, he starts buying stuff on his Capital one card and then he would print the check and then disguise it as another expense. Coincidentally, what was working really well for them is somewhere in the nineties, fruitcake went out of fashion and started getting like some negative press. And I should say I remember, I remember growing up people just kind of freaking hating on freeze. They hated on fruitcake for no reason. Yeh. I never tried it, and I hate it on it all the time. I constantly, constantly was dogging on fruitcake and how nasty was I've never seen a fruitcake in my life. I did you really have you had him? No? Yeah, they're disgusting sin they're so oh yeah, there's sinful. That's why. But yeah, I mean I remember an episode of Edit and Eddie making fun of them. I remember home alone making fun of them. I remember all this stuff making fun of them, and I never hate them, so they I didn't try fruitcakes until it was legalized in twenty fourteen. Hey, if you've been watching for a minute and you like this show, a great way to help out is by becoming a Patreon supporters. Our patrons get a ton of perks for their support. They get ad free episodes a week early, they get a discord with our host and producers. We do monthly hangouts. There's a way to get birthday messages on your birthday. There's a lot of great perks. But more than anything, you just helped make sure that this show continues to happen forever. We never want to stop. We're going to keep doing this forever. If we have enough patron supporters, we can put our brains in those little vats and like have AI pretend it's us and so we can keep doing it long after we die. But that only happens if you support us on Patreon, So we appreciate your support. Thanks for your help. If you don't want to support, that's totally fine. Thanks for being here. We really appreciate you watching the show. I remember taking fruitcake across the kids as border ones, and I remember taking an uber across the border to go get a fruitcake, to get a fruit cake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy times. So because because the popularity thing, Con Street was down from where their historic level was. Sure, because I mean it's a bakery. They do other stuff, right, yeah, they do other stuff, but thekick is the things because they're disguising sixty eight thousand dollars transactions. Yeah, and I should say this is a big bakery, Like this isn't This isn't a neighborhood bakery that's moving some cakes. This is like a some geeks, this is this isn't the bakery that you know by your house. It's moving some cakes. Okay, this is a big bakery. This is a large operation. They literally were doing like thirty to forty million a year top line. So like, this is a large operation. That's crazy, that's crazy. Yeah, should we have should we bake bait? And so he knew, and this was where he's cooking the books. This was where he was like relatively I shouldn't say smart, but relatively smart because he knew because of the negative press that fruitcakes were receiving, Colin Street was doing this massive campaign to change the perception of fruitcakes, the big marketing campaign. They were doing mailers and all this stuff, and so he would just in with the marketing budget be like, oh, we spent twenty grand on stamps mailing this stuff out to people, and Upper Brass was like, yeah, that's believable with how much money were I don't know if they were ever looking at him be like, its probably true. So he starts buying all this stuff and it's pretty clear that for him there was a probably two things going on. One, he knew in his town that he lived in, he was the lower end of the totem pole because of where his financial standing was, and he was trying to reach up to where all his neighbors were okay. There was also that part of him that wanted to be a funeral director because of their suits, you know, like there was the part of him where he was like, yeah, he looked like he had one of those like checkered suits. He had a good suit in that picture. You showed me this one. Yeah, and so he is the ear pierced. I don't think so. I think that's the background, okay. And so he starts he buys the Lexus. He starts buying a couple of watches, sure, a couple suits and nothing too crazy. And then one day he shows up at home with a new car for his wife and he's like, hey, I got you a new car. And she starts to get a little suspicious and she's like, what's going where are you? Where's all this money coming from? Like you're only making fifty thousand dollars a year. So he tells her, he says, yeah, there's I'm doing some like on the side work for one of our neighbors. Uh, they recently came into some money, so I'm helping them out and they're really paying pretty well for it. And she says that's interesting, and she says okay, and he says but also like, don't mention this to anyone at the bakery, like if they ask about it, tell them it's an inheritance. And also don't tell the I R S because I'm not going to tell them because I don't want to pay taxes on this, and so I would I'll be honest with you. If I told my wife and I was like, hey, just don't tell the I r S about this, she would go, I wouldn't know how was just like, ah, you got it, dude. I r S at I r S dot gov. My IRS said not to tell you. I r S the government at Gmail. Dog, what are you doing, I'm creating a new Gmail. Can to see him. I r S the government almost guarantee that's not available. I almost guarantee that that is on the screen. No, I'm okay, I have to pull up the other because it's the whole thing anyways, So what are you doing? What are you doing? Don't stop it, don't don't don't do that. Don't stop don't Right now, he is standing above me with a machete. Put it down, Tim, I hate that people might believe that I'm fake laughing to kind of try to remove some of the tension. Right now, he still has a machete above me. Okay, so put it down. So she clearly knows that something's up. Yeah, but she just says, I got a new car out of the deal, and so she's just like, fine, I won't tell the RS, I won't tell the I won't tell the other Conn Street people. Sure, and then that's when the floodgates kind of open. Uh. That's when he's like, I've gotten away with it a lot. Yeah, he's like, he's like, I've done this a few times. Nobody's asking any questions, nobody knows anything. And so then they renovate their kitchen ninety eight thousand dollars. They ninety eight thousand dollars renovation. Yeah, he calls, what does that even look like? We have pictures of the kitchen? Actually, that's a good question. I don't know if I would love to know what a ninety eight thousand dollars kitchen renovation looks like. Let's see here. I don't know if we have images of this kitchen. Uh, I'm gonna be honest. A lot of kitchens came up, and I don't know how many of these. Just show you one of them, show you a ninety eight thousand dollars kitchen. Okay, you're not going to believe this. I want to know what it looks like. This is uh, apparently top of the line luxury tim Is this a picture of your kitchen? No? No, no, no, because their fridge would be there with that's this is more believable. This looks like your kitchen though, No it doesn't. Yes, it does not at all. No, it doesn't look I mean, I guess cabinets look like that. My cabinets don't look like that. But that does that oven in that mic wave does look a lot like mine. It looks super poor. Yeah, this is probably I mean, I'm pretty confident this isn't their kitchen either, but this is probably a little bit more on par with what their renovation was. That's what I would imagine is like that, you know, olive garden looking. Yeah, so we started inviting people over PF Chang's style. Yeah, yeah kitchen. Yeah. Can you imagine if like, what are your neighbors invited you over for like a dinner party. This has happened to me actually, And they had a Habachi grill in their kitchen. This just happened. They did the thing. They did the Habi thing that I'll just say, if you you've if you've been to somebody's house that you didn't you didn't know they had it? Oh yea yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what, and you like you go over and you're like, oh, oh, this is not what I expected. And they're like, yo, we would love hang out. We'd love to come to your place. And you go no, you like, no, you want to, Actually you wouldn't. I'm actually looking around here. I can tell you. I can tell you my place. You don't know where I live. Yeah, so you can't. This is probably the last time we hang out. Actually, so we can't talk anymore anyway. Loving new car and I'm gonna tell the irs hello at irs dot up. I met a rich guy today. You met a rich guy today. Check him out? Did you guys know the people living at twenty nine fifteen are rich? I I'm writing it like it's a one star review on Yelp. I visited here two weeks ago. I was caught off guard by the extravagant interior so rich, but the house outside. From outside, they did a good job. It's humble outside. I think they're trying to be undercovered. They're undercover. Rige stop take that back, bleep it out because TLC can't have you see get out of your DLC. That's a good idea undercover ridge where you got to live in a poor neighborhood for six months there, and there's a bunch of them. It's a competition. It's a bunch of them, a bunch of a bunch of rich and different neighborhoods, and they have to do it. They have to do it for months without getting caught. And if they like, they don't realize how easy? How easy? You know? Wait a minute, Well, I mean you saw when we were at the super Bowl last year straight up with Richie will say, they don't they don't understand it. Yeah, yeah, they don't have a at all an awareness idea undercover Ridge. How long can you go without knowing without people picking up? That is? But isn't this kind of like there was that dating show like the Average Joe or whatever, and he ended up being rich, being a rich guy. Yeah, But then wasn't the wasn't the twist that he actually Wasn't we have an average Joe but he's actually rich but surprised we lied to you? He's poor too. I want to say that straight up, Like the premise is like, oh no, wasn't it? Maybe it was the other way around? Did they hold on? Alex? You know what I'm talking about? DoD They do two separate dating shows, one where a rich person is pretending to be a poor person. Yeah, but another one where a poor person is pertaining to be a rich person. And so these girls are gold digging. And then they at the end they revealed that he actually he's not actually rich. Oh he's just an accountant. I thought he was a funeral director. I was gonna dang out with some dead people. No, it's not the money. For not the money. It's the dead the money. It's about the more. It's about the corpse. It's not about the cash. It's about the corpse. No, thank you. People. All my life, they thought I've been saying more and more and more about I've been saying more more, more and everyone. It's like, what's the contest of that? You want seconds? Anyway? Please keep talking about ninety eight thousand dollars kitchen renovation. Oh my gosh, So they I have to cut tim off. My jokes are worth it. Just start saying stuff like more, more, more work, And it's like that's a ycho thing to say. Dude, I don't think I wanted. I just gotta give me some I'm gotting the hustle in the grind, always wanting more work. You want some morek okay. So so he just starts sneaking cash. He's doing two things he's doing to things he's doing do things, buying stuff on the Capitol one card, paying it off with these checks that he's avoiding and then tricking or just making some petty cash. Not as much of that, more of the check thing, because you can get more money doing that, right, But he's just snagging some petty cash, and so he he is. Over the course of a couple of years, it kind of turns into this thing where he is putting about ninety eight thousand dollars a month on a black American. I need a month, Yeah, and he is. And he's got the black as he's got the black yep, I want it so bad. Well, he got it because he was spending ninety thousand dollars a month. If I got it, I wouldn't tell you guys, just so you know I'd been undercover. Yeah undercover, Rich? Are you on the show? Is this the show? Are we already on it? Did I did I? Did I figure? Did I fourth wall? This show? Yeah? Welcome? Well, this is the reveal. This is the reveal after like ten years of friendship, when I finally to be like Tim by the way, I've been rich this whole time. Fourteen years ago, I started a multinational company. Yes you know it as Amazon. Yes, I let you go bankrupt. Yes, I saw all your financial troubles and I could have solved all of them. But I didn't want to blow my cover one second of my time because the prize for this show is fifty thousand dollars, and I wanted it, and I won. I wanted that fifty thousand dollars, so I make one hundred and ninety thousand dollars a minute. Thank you for being a part of this fifty thousand Thank you for being a part of this. You get nothing. You get nothing, Yeah, you get the satisfaction of knowing you'd never figured it out. Actually, you do have a coupon for funeral services from my International Funeral Pland he scaled his funeral. It's called it's called fun for All, fun for all. Yeah, but you know it's parentheseason after you in e RL. Yeah, yeah, all fun for all. I'll call it fun feral. That's not how I pronounce not pronounced that way. We keep trying to tell them that it's fun for all, fun for all, it's funeral with an F in the middle. I can't tell you how many birthdays we got called to, but we're still buried someone fun arol. I also can't tell you how many wildlife balls have gotten, but it's okay. How we make money, Yeah, mistakes, I'm rich rich. I mean, it feels good to finally say that after all this time pretending to be a poor Wow, that's one thing The Rich Love is saying. But the best thing about that show is that you can live in that poor neighborhood for six months and know that at the end of it you're still gonna be rich. You don't have to stay. Yeah, there's hope. You can make a lot of new friends and be like, wow, the community we've formed over these last six months is incredible, and I hope that they continue to make it and survive. Anyway, Bye, never let them in my real house. I would. I mean, I was just you know, they didn't clean and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they'd have to wear those booties on their shoes. No, I'm saying they do some yard work. I'd love clean up and yeah, I see what you're saying they're welcome in my house. Yeah yeah, and welcome in my home. Yeah. There you go. There you go it separate wings. This is my house. That wing is my home. You can't go over there, but you can come into the house anyways. So there An there's spending ninety eight thousand dollars a month. That is crazy amount to just be on on renovations for their home. On Rolex, watches, wines, they built a pretty big wine collection, pianos like grand pianos. He's got the welch m kid. Now it's wine. Yeah, now it's wine. It's been there for so long. He's like, you know, this wine reminds me of my best friend before I buried her. Put Tammy down. Yeah. So uh and then his wife surprise, I'm making it through this so well. By the way, we just put our cat down. Yeah, people were listening to this. It'll be like a month and a half later, but yeah, yeah, we just put our cat for you guys. Yeah. I wanted to do it. Uh. They told us in January that he wasn't going to make it this year, and so I was like, okay, if we can just get him through the birthdays, will be great. But I wanted to put him down three days before Easter. Yeah, just in case, just in case our cat might be christ there's no knowing. You don't know for sure, for sure, for sure until you put your cat down on Good Friday, and then you know for sure that weekend, whatever happens. And we did put him down on Friday. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens. But the only one waking up in your house on Sunday morning was me, Oh, yeah, you were at my house. I don't like that. So I don't like that you saw how rich we are. I only let you in my house to see home. So they and his wife was buying new cars. But remember trying to be a little covert with this, Like they're buying a lot of stuff, but they're not being like super flaunty, like they didn't buy a new home. They're renovating their home a bunch. Sure, they're collecting wines, They're getting a lot of watches. He's buying all these like Nimon Marcus suits. He has a personal shopper at Nemon Marcus and they actually had to terminate their contract with Niman Marcus with the personal shopper because he bought everything that they had to sell him, which apparently is a thing that can happen. But he's wearing all this nice personal shopper. They were like, good job he bought the whole That's like whenever you get the stitch fix and you get a twenty percent discount for buying the whole box, you know, yeah, good job you use my code stitch fix. So yeah, they he had all these nice suits and he told his coworkers that was Walmart, which I mean I feel like they knew. I feel like they looked at that and they're like, you didn't buy that at Walmart. Yeah, I mean you could buy some cheap suits and then get like, you know, get them tailored for Yeah, and that I guess that's that is the thing with a suit, like a suit, there's not a lot of like indicating factors from the exterior of a suit to tell you that that is a very high value site other than it looks good. But like you said, you could buy a Walmart suit, go get it tailored, and change everything about it, and then people might say, hey, that's a cheap suit for Walmart. Do you have a suit? Yeah, I've got a couple of suits. You have a couple of suits. That baby blue one. I got that baby blue one. I have two black ones and I have two gray ones. I need to throw that blue one away. That's my favorite suit. When did you get that? Did you get that for a I did get that for your wedding. That's my favorite one's suit. Where'd you buy it? Joseph A Bank? I think I caught him. Oh my gosh, Joseph A Bank. Yeah. Did you like the way you looked Men's warehouse? Yeah? Yeah, for Jessee Bank. Okay, anyway, anyways about mine from China? What I went to China dot com? It's China China and uh no, I did. I bought my suit and it like it's just made in China. And the mails to you I got interesting. Okay. Anyway, what are you are you looking up China dot com? What does it go to? I don't know. I'm not actually going there, but I'm checking on go dot if it's available. It's not available. You don't know that for sure. You know what is available? What is threads dot biz? Yeah, but it's like a thousand dollars. It's insane to me that they didn't buy all of those because that's kind of like Meta's thing is to like screw the little guy and kill everybody. Yeah, China dot com is taken. Bye, go to China. See, I bet it's parked. Yeah, it's just parked. So I mean we could if we probably pay a lot join us on Patreon so we can buy China. Yeah, there's some interesting recommendations that's giving me to go along with China. It is a little like who never mind anyways, So he's buying all these suits, Marcus is like, we're out of stuff to sell you. His wife is his wife. Now his wife is embrace spending money. Yeah, but his wife is also like, they're they're still trying to stay a little, a little under the radar. No they're not. They're spending one point two million dollars. They're trying to stay under the radar. And so what she does one hundred grand a month. She has a like a light blue Mercedes benz and and every year she upgrades the new year, but she gets the exact same color, and so she's like, everyone don't think it's the same Mercedes bins And she actually one year she ordered the new Mercedes Benz. They dropped it off at the house and picked it the other one and it was a new shade of blue. It is midnight blue, not like turquoise blue. And so she was like, take it back. I need She's like, send it back, I need a light blue. Sit it back. To say that, To say that to a Mercedes Benz is the craziest thing ever. Okay, with money you don't earn at this point, he's never really even working, right, I mean, yeah, he's working because because the second he stops working, like the ruses up, like he's got to be doing his job, and like they've got to, you know, trust him, and so they and now they're they start traveling. Uh, they're taking trips on private jets. They go to Santa Fe, New Mexico, Aspen, Colorado, and Napa, California. Honestly, probably could have picked some better destinations to fly to, but they're flying all over the place. We are. Actually do have a nice picture of him and his wife her name's Kay, on a private jet together. This is a selfie. You can see the mir I was gonna say, is there another couple up front? No, No, that's a mirror in the background. You can see the pilots in the front two up there. He seems like the type that would lean onto his wife. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, he does. He does seem like a leaner. What is interesting, though, now that I'm looking at this, I am a little throned. I just mean like she probably drives. Yeah, couples. What I'm saying, couples were the female drives. I'll trust them. It is it is because here's the thing. Let's hear it, Garrison. No, I'm just saying, I want to say a way to laugh. Let's hear your hot take. I'm just saying to I'm just saying I'm trying to find a good way to say this. I'm just saying, a husband who could ride in the car with his wife and not a seat drive. That's an impressive quality. Okay, but to be fair, I don't think i'm actat drive. A husband who can watch his wife do something without correcting her or man's planning it to her. What a skill. It is impressive. It is impressive. Yeah, so he's got that going from I guess, actually, we don't even know that this is. I'm just saying, like I'm too big to lean on my wife, like I'm not, I can't. You know you weren't judging him. Yeah, it was just it was I was like it. I took it as you were judging him. No, I was just saying like, you know, yeah, I don't let my wife. My wife drives places. I'm saying that I don't let my wife drive. If we go somewhere, typically I drive. Yeah, which is pretty common comment. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. When I was growing up, my dad always drove. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Interesting anyways, Uh, so they're traveling a lot of place one day, so my mom could read her books in the passenger seat and be like, oh she got scared. She's reading. Yeah, she's reading. Your dad fell asleep. The other guy here, okay, so uh and then I mean it's I have an anxiety disorder. So one day, Bob, did your parents overshare with you? No, they were actually pretty strict about undershare. Told yeah, it's a lot of our house was on fire, and they wanted to tell me. They were like they were like, hey, close your eyes, it's hot. It's okay, houses on fire of us, you know, not to worry of close your eyes. Just pretend it's not real anyway. This is weird. Hey, if you need a boost of confidence, let me give you a quick hack. Just wear a shirt size bigger than you usually do. You know what I'm saying. Right now, you're wearing large, and just buy an excel, you know, and we have plenty of sizes available in our merch store. If you got a tilling dot com and so that'll help you boost your confidence overnight. Is that good? Can I say that? You can say whatever you want. That's taling dot com slash merchuh. So one day Bob McNutt, that's his name. Everybody wasn't kidding. Bob McNutt, the CEO, is looking at the expense report and he's like, man, our profits have been so bad the last few years. And he's like, he's like, I can't figure out why. He's like, we're just not selling enough fruitcakes. Apparently, kind of looking at things with the fine tooth comb. He sees, man, twenty thousand dollars on stamps. There's a lot of money on stamps. He calls in the marketing director and he's like, did you spend twenty thousand dollars on these stamps for this marketing campaign and she's like no, She's like, I did not spend that much money on stamps. So he calls Sandy in and he says, Sandy, is this right and Sandy says yeah. Sandy looks at it. He says, ah, he said probably not. It was probably miscategorized. I'll go check and fix it in the books. And Bob was like, okay, cool, thanks, and he goes and he fixes it and no more questions. They're in a situation where Bob and the rest of the top brass of this company recognizes that they are low, but they're not low enough where it's going to hurt the company like terribly, Like their profits are lower than normal, they're still profitable, sure, And there he's categorizing these things on like a wide net across the company to realistic expenses, where it's like when you look at the expense report, you're like, this seems a touch high from what we normally would do, but like it's believable. You had this project going on here, this thing going on here, and so it goes under the radar for years and years and years, and then one year they said, okay, uh, we're starting to kind of write the ship a little bit. We see our profit turn up a little bit. I think we need to grow our operation. And they said, let's bring in a second accountant to help Sandy out, not because they had any Oh I would suck. If you're Sandy and you go to your desk one day, you show up and you're like, fraud, fraud, fraud, work, more work, more work, more more work. I wish I was at a grave site. How do I get moorg? And then someone else sits down and you go, who are you? And they and they're like, I know, my parents said, you know I wanted to be I want to Tammothy. Let me make the jokes that I set up Aquifer, don't say it like that. So this new accountant is like, hey, I'm the new accountant, and he's like that, and he says, he says, you don't want to know the people I know, because then he was playing your wife. Hey, by the way, the money is well, here's the thing, here's the thing. His wife still doesn't know exactly what's happening. So the whole time, his wife never knew how, but all of a sudden, the money is just he just told he just told her, Hey, so we're doing well. Don't tell the I R s. When I die, it's going to stop. That's what I told her. And I die, it's gonna stop. Sandy, are you in danger? When danger knocks? I am the one who knocks. Okay, Sandy, say it, Sandy. So this new account comes in and uh, Sandy and the new accountant are counting sure. And then one day the account's going through and starts noticing some of the transactions aren't making sense, noticing some of these voided checks. And then the accountant goes to Bob and says, hey, hey, I think Sandy's stealing a bunch of money from the company. And Bob says, are you sure about that? And the other account's like, I'm pretty sure about that, And they're like, how much money do you think he's stolen from the company? And the new account's like, I'm pretty sure it's I don't know if I had the guests about sixteen million, seven hundred and sixty six thousand, six hundred and forty five dollars over the last nine years what And Bob's like, he sends Sandy in here please, okay. So they fire him on the spot, and then they call the police. The police call the FBI. Sandy meanwhile gets in his lexus, drives home, gets grocery bags full of stuff. And I don't know exactly what his plan was here, but this rolex watches fine wines, collectibles in grocery bags, in grocery bags, and he's driving around, of course of kind of throwing them in ponds and in the park and like baring them in places all over town, just throwing rolexes and stuff out the window, like ditching them all over town. And then he why, I don't know, I genuinely have not. Kids are playing in the street. Oh roll X, they know, yeah, They're like, I got a roll anyway, Dad will talk to me. This is this is my new evening role X. And so he's going aroundtown ditching all this stuff, and then he goes home. He gets his wife, another kid gets hit with a bottle of wine. He gets his wife and he says, hey, we're going on a trip. And then she's He says, grab all this stuff you want to keep forever, everything else you're probably never gonna see again. Do say goodbye to everything you know. And so they go to Galveston with all their favorite prized stolen belongings, and they fly out to Galveston, and like hours before they leave, the FBI shows up and just starts boxing up all their stuff leaving, And so the neighborhoods watching as their boxes tell that guy's FBI because of sunglasses. Yeah, yeah, you would have no I if it weren't for that. They're pretty good at being undercover, and so they they're already gone. They see a bunch of the property. They're gone. They're in Galveston. They sees a bunch of their property, and then and then they camp out for a little bit until they come home. And then later they come back and they arrest them, and they take all this stuff and they throw in a state sale in his house and they say and they say, look, here's the deal. We were able to recover about four million dollars worth of goods. And they said, here you go calling Street Bakery, sell it. And so they set up a bake sale and buy all this stuff sale, buy all this stuff. It's garage sale. It's a garage sale to make up the millions of dollars that were stolen from None of that fit on the sign. But as the town came out to really more than anything. See all the stuff that they sold the stole. And so they came through the town and bobbing Nutt was walking through the sale being like, buy everything, buy as much as you can. Buy some stuff, and he's like, want a fruitcake? We have some fruitcake too. Well, you guys want some rolexes. We got some rolexes. We got some cars. Do you guys want a car? You know, it's trying to get just liquidated as much as they could. And so they end up getting uh, you know, like indicted on this right, and they're ordered to pay uh restitution in the amount of twelve point six million dollars because that was the leftover from what they were able to sell. Yeah, they're never going to be able to make up that because the money stole money. Anyways, Kay, she gets uh one count of like conspiracy to cover up someone with doing mail fraud. Basically, it's not the charge conspiracy to cover from some mail fraud. It's fuzy to cover up someone doing mail fraud. The jury defending guilty like that, no, And so she gets five years probation. She has like a fine of like fifteen hundred dollars and she Also part of her sentence was never allowed to drive a Bloo Mercedes again, only midnight Bloo Mercedes from now on. She had one hundred dollars community service. And then she had to write an apology letter to the bakery. I'm sorry, Bakery. I'd rather burn to the ground. Listen if I if something ever happened where like all of a sudden they're like, we want you to write an apology letter. I need she needs you to know that I'm not going to not going to do that. And if you ever seen an apologies letter for me, it's it's not mine, it's not mine. Yeah, that's that's like the guy who found the conspiracy against Boeing and was like was like, I am in good mental health. Yeah, and then for you it's just an a letter. I am in mental health. Well sorry, Jared, Sorry I stole your stuff Colan Golan, Which it's crazy to be because she never really knew was what was actually happening, what was happening, but no, what was happening. Yeah, but it's crazy that she had apologized the bakery because it's like she didn't know he was stealing for the bakery. I mean she bought a good guess that he was stealing for the bakery. He, on the other hand, got ten years in prison. That's it, yeah, but worth it. Well. He got ten years in prison and then he died in prison in twenty nineteen, so he technically got life from prison by default. But throughout the whole, the whole like nine year thing. They bought multiple lexuses, Lexuses, Lexin, Lexi, multiple Lexi, and Mercedes Benz, a Bentley, a Porsche. They traveled all over the world in private jets. They actually, let me see, there's a number here. There's gotta be parents at my wife's school. Who are They spent three point three million on private flights, two hundred and twenty three private flights, three point three million reached in flights. They renovated pretty much the whole house they had. But this seems kind of modest. A fifty thousand dollars wine collection. That seems like a modest wine collection. Everything also, well, all things considered in this case, that's a pretty modest wine collection for them. Sorry, I said a yawn. I couldn't hold it in. I just got hold in this yard from this boring wine collection they had. Okay, listen to this another gmc denale a bmw X fifty three. Those are all the same time. They were just buying different vehicles selling o them. Yeah, over the course of the time that they had five hundred and thirty two luxury items, which includes forty one bracelets, fifteen pairs of cuff links, twenty one pairs of earrings, sixteen furs, sixty one handbags for five days, nine sets of pearls. Yeah, fifty five rings. I know what you're trying to do, eight watches, and then yeah, the wine collection, a Steinway piano, which are apparently really nice. They are. I know that because I'm cultured, because I'm cultured. Yeah, whatever, I listened to Broadway musicals. Can we talk for a second about No, okay, can we talk for a second about now. They say, when you're in court and you're guilty and you have your plea, they say, pleaded is the past tense of that, but that should be pled. And I'm honestly very mad that pled is not the past tense of plea. Pleaded pled? It should be pled? We say pled, he pled guilty? Yeah, but apparently that's wrong. Pleaded, Alex, what do you think? Okay? Yeah, take your time, buddy, don't don't weigh in so fast. Really chomping at the bit to talk about pled I've never had a strong opinion about that. I have such a strong opinion. You have opinions about much, though, Why don't you give us one of your strong opinions? According to According to grammarly, it's not too serious apparently, although the argument in question is a very heated one and it shows no signs of cooling down. The word at the heart of the controversy is the past tense of the word two. Oh my gosh. It's like, this is like when you open a recipe and you're like, this is for my grandma, and always just stop reading all this stuff. Just get to the part where it's okay. So both of them are correct, sort of, that's what they say. All right, I guess you could do either. But I guess I guess lawyers think it's pleaded. Lawyers say pleaded, probably because it makes it sound like so in court he pleaded. The second he pleaded, I'm gonna plead the second, you're honor I pladed. All right, what what's what is? So? Yeah? So they they went to jail for this. Here's here's the exciting thing. There is a movie out there. There's actually a documentary on Discovery Plus. You can watch that. It's called Fruitkick Fraud. And there's a movie. There's a movie now in pre production called Fruitcake and that should be coming out soon as a drama recreation of this. They're recasting it. It was supposed to be Will Ferrell, but I think he learned about it and was like, I'm doing that, so I don't want to. But that's the best cover up is if you're doing movie about yeah, you gotta do the movie. No. No, I was doing the crimet practicing. I was practice. I pleaded the fiddle off. Hey, thanks for watching this episode. If you liked it, you might like Joe Lowe an episode we did a while back about a guy who had a pretty big fraud, honestly a lot bigger than this one. It was like an investment fraud, crazy story, lots of private flights around the world and just the whole nine. 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A famous bakery in the small town of Corsicana, Texas, has been selling its world-renowned fruitcakes since 1896. Over the years, this bakery became quite successful by being on the cutting edge of mail-order desserts and shipping its fruitcakes worldwide. However, in the 1990s, fruitcakes fell out of fashion, and the bakery hit a slump. During this time, one of … Read More