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00:00 Hey, thanks for listening to things. I learned last night. It's my favorite thing to do. My second favorite to do is stand up comedy and so we love for you to cover those shows this month. I am in Houston Plano. That's in Texas, Kingsport, Tennessee, Fredericksburg, Virginia, Charlotte, North Carolina, Milton, West Virginia. Where's that at? Huh? Raleigh, North Carolina. It's in West Virginia, Indianapolis, 00:24 Omaha, Saint Louis and Springfield, Missouri. So March twenty second, I am in Nashville, Tennessee, filming my comedy special. I got rescheduled and there's two shows on that Sunday. If you're within driving distance, put on a couple episodes, make the drive, come to the special taping. I'd love to see you there, so thanks for coming to shows. That's getting the episode. Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the 1905 death harvest? T's just really positive encouraging episodes lately that we're going for 00:54 just you know, if you feel like the world's kind of falling apart around you, why don't you come over to till in podcast? We're gonna talk about the nineteen oh five death harvest. Is it as dark as it sounds? ah While you tell me here's a picture of the death harvest in action. Oh, it's a game. Okay, it's a rugby game. I know this is football. This is college football. Oh, is it a five? Okay, what it used to look like before we before we became so weak. 01:23 Yeah. Well, in the 1905s, before it went woke in the 1905 season, 19 people were killed playing football. Oh oh my gosh. uh So what? So this probably did a lot of changes to the game, like a lot of changes to the game. OK. 01:45 There's nothing in the rule book that says I can't kill this guy at the 40 yard line. There's nothing in the rules. It's a baseball bat. You know, you can't show up with someone's house. Let's pitch for it and chase them out of town. Like that doesn't exist anymore and it should. We just bring that back. Things I learned last night. 02:16 It's a little bit of backstory on what football is. uh I do think we need to do like the backstory of how we got to the 1905 and then we could talk about 1905 a little bit okay, but football uh that comes in a line because you can tell that that like messed him up. that anyway so football? Anyways, uh 02:44 for the for audio listener. If you couldn't tell what happened, a little person came out of Tim's chest and went and then went back in and it really threw him off. have nothing like that ever happened before. I didn't know what I really freak me out, so this is dumb. ah So you have a lot to get to. I'm gonna let you talk this whole episode. I don't have a lot to get to 03:11 I know we you know last week's episode was like an hour and a half, so I just really want to give you all the time you need buddy. I'm to stay out of your way over here. Thanks man. I appreciate that so football. The original game of football was early eighteen hundreds. There was a group of British school kids. They combined soccer and rugby and created this game of football and a group of Yale students somehow found out about this. 03:41 Okay. And they were like, that sounds like fun. Let's use this to haze kids. Um, and so for the, for about 30 years in the early 1800s, football was a hazing exercises as hazing exercise where the upperclassmen would pit the sophomores and freshmen against them in a game of football. Um, and the point of the game was like to tackle each other, hurt each other. And we're going to laugh at you while you do it. 04:09 And this became a big thing in the Ivy League schools where Princeton and Harvard and Yale, everybody would get to the football game, the annual football game to watch the underclassmen get hurt. this game was. OK, an organized thing. It was not something the colleges condoned right or even like allowed, but they would kind of do it like. 04:35 like think of I mean honestly think of any any hazing thing where it's like the college is like you did what last night that yeah it's a bit like the quit is tournaments that were taken off on college campuses. When we were in high school quit, it's true. Are that still a thing Harry Potter? Tim, yes. What are you talking about? I literally don't know what you're doing. I can't. Is this a real thing? Yes, you have to tell me about this because I don't know what you're talking about. Oh yeah. You want me to waste so much time, huh? I don't want you to know what we have a lot to get to. 05:08 now go ahead to no. It was way too long. The quit is tournaments, uh, so got to take a sip and so yeah. So in high school, his kids are playing quidditch. They're flying around on their broomsticks and we were like whoa or the Midwest. We shot him down. That's not a thing. Okay, it is a real thing though, like hobby. Horsing is a thing yeah. Okay, they would do that on broomsticks and they would go play quidditch in a field and 05:36 as college kids yeah and like so when I was towards it lame or was it cool? It depended on when it was happening, because when I was in when I was doing my college tours yeah in what I betas in twelve yeah. I was touring Mizzou 05:51 yeah and they were like yeah. They do like quit his turn and it was like it was labeled as a cool thing within two years after that. It was not a cool thing anymore interesting, but like two thousand ten, two thousand eleven, two thousand twelve that kind. That was also the wave of time when improv was cool. You know, like things are and show choir was cool. Well, it's kind of like so choir was only cool because of glee yeah and like it should be noted that what I was doing in show choir was not glee, but we act like it was you know in our brains. It was 06:19 but it's it's very similar to the like zon we have we shown or looked at my show choir days on the podcast. I don't think we have we have in our in our discord for sure, like on our patron hangouts yeah. I think we have you don't know once a month we do a patron hang out or we get on uh zoom call together and people have found my old high school show choir. It kind of is just our patrons trying to embarrass us. 06:43 they just bring some stuff up and I find your grandma's house. Yeah, that's actually but I think she had found my high school. think that yeah, that wasn't me prompting you to pull it up at all. I'm trying to help you waste time buddy. I'm not trying. I don't need you to waste time. Let me oh so the the quidditch though. Was it like 07:05 I don't need you to waste time, so tell me more about quit. No, was it like the the zombie survival thing like remember that not your our freshman year? That was really big our senior year. Everybody hated it really yeah. Well, I wasn't there so I guess that's true. Everyone hated it senior year. I should say it became yeah like freshman year. Everybody participated. I loved it yeah senior year. It was like you're in my way, but 07:34 were we just freshmen? I'm saying that might as like your senior year actually a freshman that that you actually might be one hundred percent right yeah yeah. If you don't know zombie survival was like this thing that you did on campus yeah where you carry nerf guns around and Alex did. Do know what this is Alex? Did you go to college yeah? Where did you go to school at UCM Orensberg? 08:04 Oh, okay. Did you live on campus yeah for the first two years? Oh, okay. We don't know anything about this guy. We've been friends for ten years now. We just found out he went to college. Remember when we found out that he was an eagle scow that's crazy, but did they did they play zombie on on your campus where you know there's it was a last person standing game where if you got shot with an earth gun, then you were done, but it went like it started in like 08:32 september first and it would go until it was over and you just had to carry a nerf gun with you at all times and if someone who was a zombie. think they had to have like a red bandana on or something like that and if they touched you, you were out, but if you shot them like they couldn't touch anybody else for like, I don't know what it was like a half hour right like that and so you would go around shooting zombies trying to survive and zombies would try to touch you yeah and it was like it was not even just on campus. It could be anywhere. Well, yeah and then you'd see like 09:02 yeah these evangel university students chasing this kid through the mall with a nerve gun shooting at the yeah it's fun. It's like it was genuinely so fun things that we did before we were on the internet yeah. It was a lot of fun yeah, but then yeah, but by the time I was a senior. Oh my gosh, I don't know if there was something more obnoxious than trying to get lunch in the cafeteria or trying to get the cow wasn't allowed in the cafeteria. You weren't allowed. That's right. Yeah, there were safe zones, but yeah trying to do something 09:30 and then having these kids play this game around you was like your room was a safe zone. You couldn't do it on the floor yeah yeah, but anyways yeah that and the polar run yeah the polar run is fun, but did you go? Did you do that every year to your pole run every year? I don't know if I seen years. The seniors my freshman year were really into it. They loved it where we'd run the whole campus and I clearly remember doing it once. I don't remember 09:57 I think it got I remember us doing it the first year and I think I remember it getting shut down the second year. They might have because you remember what happened our freshman year of the Kraus guys coming out and started tackling people because because the polarum or the sky hall guys were dressing shorts in our underwear and you know this on the coldest day of the year. Yeah, the first snowfall first snowfall of the semester. That's that's right and then we would run from one end of the campus to the other. Yeah stupid little polar run 10:25 yeah cross guys came out and started tackling people interesting and then it became like this whole like people were getting ready to fight over it and it was weird. It's crazy yeah. I don't remember that, so this is basically the cross guys came out and basically did what the upper classmen were doing yeah the underclassmen at Princeton kinda and they would go to like the like intramural fields and everybody would pack the stands like it'd be the middle of the night. They packed the stands and they'd force all the underclassmen to play this game of football, which was just a 10:53 very violent violent version of soccer was a center. It was like you couldn't touch the ball. It was all kicking, but it was like you were allowed to punch tackle throw whatever you could do to anybody else and people get hurt all the time and everyone was like. I love this. This is my favorite part of call. Yeah, it's a gladiator yeah yeah exactly. It's my favorite part of college. It's watching these one ninety year. We need to watch and you got to wonder what the psyche of human beings is that we're like. I actually enjoy watching other actually really like this part. You know yeah 11:23 And so this happened for like, I don't know what it was like 30 or 40 years until 1845 1850 somewhere in that range when all the colleges started to ban it. All the colleges were like you guys can't do this anymore. Yeah, this is people are getting hurt like we let you do this for like 40 years, but this is this is getting out of hand sure and so it gets banned and then in 1860 though like throughout for that band era. 11:52 There was like a group of kids who were like, remember when we used to do that? That was so great. We should make it a thing. Yeah. And they tried to like formalize it over and over again until eventually they managed to pull off like a formal rendition of uh football and they created like all these rules and the game and they held like the very first uh actual game of football. They formalized it as an actual collegiate sport. 12:19 And the very first college football game was played November 6th, 1960 or 1869. And it was Rutgers versus College of New Jersey, which would eventually become Princeton. And Rutgers won six to four. And this game was much closer to soccer, like with a little bit of rugby in there. OK, you couldn't touch the ball. Everything was kicking the ball around or they said bat. They would describe it as like batting the ball with your foot. don't understand what's the difference between batting it and kicking it. Yeah. But ah 12:49 there wasn't like any stoppage in play, like it was continuous. There was no like huddle, we're calling a new place or situation. Obviously no pads or anything like that. But the thing about it that was different was like, what if we took soccer and you could punch everybody and you could tackle them, you could throw them around, you could just be really violent. That was what they did with that. And so this game gets really popular ah within the Ivy League schools and it becomes like this Ivy League football league. 13:15 And so all the Ivy League schools play each other. OK. And it's very violent. It gets really intense. Emotions get really strong where you hear stories of colleges playing each other. And literally, this is the eighteen hundreds. And so the storylines are like the game would happen and a team and a way team would literally get chased all the way back home and carriages like because they wrote carriages and chase them all the way back to their home university. Yeah. 13:43 I don't know what they were doing. They rode carriages to the game. Isn't that crazy? Imagine rolling up, you know, and then you get out and they don't have the big headphones. You know they just got to have two people on each side because, like the reason that the athletes wear the headphones is so that people can't yell stuff at them and try to get in their head. You know, so it's got two people on either side of them be like 14:04 law, that was the pop music and honestly it was so revolutionary like when they were like ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba 14:32 Yeah, you like yeah, you lose and then you get up and you go giddy up. It's a long ride home. Can you imagine like after a football game? Obviously no pads sore, so sore and you have to ride on a cobblestone road in a carriage all the way home just like yeah, like brutal. Yeah, that's why they don't have football in England. 14:58 So this was just or Charles in South Carolina. This was just an Ivy League school thing and it lasted for a little over a decade. It very short temporarily got banned for a couple of years because they're like this is too violent. Sure, a revised a lot of the rules to where they're like okay. Well, what if you could hold the ball? It's not just kicking the ball and what if we stop play so like you stop and then you have to like restart and you have a huddle you call a new play 15:26 and then you restart the play. so that was enough for the schools to be like, OK, this isn't as violent, I guess now. So we'll bring it back. And so in the late 1800s, it comes back around and the game is very different. ah There was no it was illegal to throw the ball. You could never throw the ball. ah There was no neutral zone. So there's no gap between the lines. They literally would line up shoulder to shoulder with each other. ah And then you would start to play. And the way the game worked is essentially like. 15:55 You hear nowadays the game of inches. It literally was a game of inches. The whole game was the tush push and they would hike the ball. They would hand it off to the running back and they would do the wedge formation and they would go literally inches inches all the way down a hundred yards down the field to try to score touchdown and these games would regularly be zero to zero because it was like you. How do you win? And so they were push harder. 16:24 I mean exactly and the rules were intentionally very vague because they wanted to allow just about anything and so they. How do you win our pol gun? We have on the rule. There's no rule. Yeah, I to throw a flag on me. Fine. Tell me in the rule book. Tell me in the rule book where this golden retriever can't play on our team. Tell me the rule book where I can't pull a gun 16:55 I mean, kinda. 16:59 Did you know a seventeen year old girl fell ten thousand feet from a plane crash and landed in the Amazon forest and survived or did you know that the Australian government went to war with wild emus and lost? I'm Jaron and I'm Tim and each week on things I learned last night, we learn about a fun story from history and sometimes some alien conspiracies. It's a family friendly show and there's over three hundred episodes to get started with. So search things I learned last night wherever you get your podcasts. 17:29 So they're on the turn of the century. The game starts getting more and more and more violent because these they start to build these rivalries between schools. Yeah, they start to get really and are they running creative plays then no, it's just running it up the middle. They also did off tackle run, so sometimes they will run off the tackle yeah, but there's no passing yet. No passing. You're not passing is illegal. 17:51 that's one of the old. That's one of the few rules is you can't throw the ball. Okay, if you could, the ball was closer to a rugby ball. It was more watermelon time. All right, bigger. was like you couldn't really throw it very well watermelon. If you don't know is the source of the melon family's fortune, but go ahead ah and so the game starts as the rivalries start to become yeah to take shape and become more and more vicious. The game starts to become more and more vicious. Yeah, players start to exploit the fact that there really isn't a lot of rules to this game. 18:20 And so this kind of culminates in this moment where there is a game um where a player, he gets kind of a breakaway run and he gets to space and the defenders come and they kind of high low him. One of the guys clotheslines him. Right. And the other guy, instead of trying to tackle him or anything like that, he straight up drop kicks him and he goes full extension, just cleats to chest and just knocks him down like that. The guy goes into cardiac arrest and he dies. And 18:49 the ref is like technically a legal. There's nothing in the rule book that says I can't kill this guy at the forty yard line. Well, the reps in or really he's sweating. He's like this is got to be in here. It's got to be. This is gotta be and it's all written in feather. You know, so he's like I can't quill gosh. I don't know what to do with this. You know well, let's send this to New York. We'll get a re or get a judgment on this 19:19 and then it's a bird. Pigeon carrier. He's like all right, we're really gonna call from New York, so let's just wait on that. The pigeon should be back in about four days. 19:36 side and that guy's just laying on the forty yard line. Somebody help him. Well, we don't know it's against the rules to help a man who's down. It's it is written in the rules here. You can't help him when he's down. So that's the one thing we know for sure the American way. So we're just going to wait for that bird to come back. 19:59 never never came back. That's so what year was that somebody? Is that the first time somebody died in a official game? I don't know that's the first time someone died. That was like a pivotal, but that was a pivotal moment because everyone's like how is that not against the rules because a lot of times people were getting hurt and it was like it was a fair tackle. It was a yeah you just, but this is like you just drop kick to that guy in the chest like that shouldn't be allowed yeah and so they're begun. There begins to be this public outcry of like hey this games 20:28 like unnecessarily violent and like we're just letting our college kids just play this crazy violent game. And uh so it starts to bubble over for the first five years of the nineteen hundreds of like all this bad press, negative press about the game. Nineteen oh five is the big year where in nineteen oh five we have nineteen people die uh playing the game of football. And I should say the numbers are a little foggy uh about the deaths because uh some places you look at will say nineteen people died. 20:56 Some places will say like 20, 23, some go all the way up to 29. But it just kind of, I think what matters is how are you counting these numbers? Because you'll look at this, this article here is outlining all the different people who died in this 1905 season. And the way they break it out is kind of interesting to me because 10 of them are high school players, three were in college. You'll notice there's one girl player, what they... 21:23 broke out into a different category. Okay, five other players and then there's ten players who are seventeen years or under and then over here there's all the injuries a hundred thirty seven people were injured playing the game and so yeah and then he says the cause of death and there to blood poisoning. Yeah, I watched a video of like a doctor 21:45 going over a lot of these causes of deaths yeah, and he said one thing we have to recognize is that they didn't understand what was going on in medicine yet right, and so they just kind of made some stuff up and so concussion of the brain. Well, they knew what concussions were. guess yeah he said he said there's some of these things that are pretty obvious and so like they were they were doing a good job identifying those things, but he said like a lot of these blood poisoning cases and there were some other cases in here where they were to tribute this to being a death from football, but it was like oh this wasn't 22:12 necessarily yeah. He just had leukemia yeah exactly like you know he yeah he was they would say like football cause infection and it was like he got an a laceration and then he got an infection from that and it's like football didn't cause that death. The fact that we didn't really like clean ourselves was the same thing that the James A Garfield yeah died because they tried to get the bullet out and if they had just left it he would have been fine yes, yes exactly you know so 22:41 this leads to this big public outcry because people are dying left and right in the bright game uh and then someone comes forward and says hey, we need to make this game a little bit safer exactly the person you would expect. uh Teddy felt very famous for being someone who was like a man's man tough guy. Yeah, like this game is not safe enough sure and he's like we need to make it safer and the public hated them for it really yeah. They were like they were like this pansy in Washington. 23:10 that's a direct quote that you saw everywhere right and this sort of artwork started coming out. They were like this is what they want to make football, which why don't you describe this actually ah is two men smoking cigarettes and they are ah in pantaloons and while they're also in heels, so it is like uh yeah, so they're wearing like women's pants yeah and then they're bowing at each other and being very curious. They're each 23:39 ah I think you could use the word dainty the way they're like a hand. Yeah, I think the character is supposed to be that these are like the high class women who wear like the white gloves and have a little bracelet on and they're going to there and what's what's all these boxes say these boxes say cigarettes yeah it's something else something water. It's hard to tell yeah is did they carry bottles of water around back then I 24:03 but yeah, so it's the the idea being that and there's one woman in the stand. I think that's important. There's one oh yeah, the stands are and read the rules down there on the girl. Rules, no pinching, no slapping hug, easy, don't yell. What does that say? Don't yell what I don't know what that last word is no nose pulling don't bite. Okay, so those are all 24:27 rules that are in the game currently for real. Those are all the things that those are all. They want us to not bite each other. What am I supposed to do? Leave his ears on. I can't pull his guys knows pulled it. I can't be. can't pull a nose. Also someone who's like I'm I'm too big of a man. I've got a pinch somebody. I We are no pinching and they're like oh oh okay. Oh, he's woke babies. 24:58 Like who's- who's pinching? 25:03 who in the whole the whole thing was like, are you doing like NURPL? 25:13 Well, that was the thing is like they would have these dog piles and because there was no neutral zone, they were literally lining up shoulder to shoulder at start of the play. And they said a lot of dirty stuff would happen in that shoulder to shoulder moment because like the rest couldn't really see what's going on in there. Yeah. And so I assume that's the moment where you pinch people, you bite people, because it's like this the things I can easily get away with. saying that. Just bite me. 25:40 there was the play the the AFC and NFC championships were last night and do you watch the end of the broncos Patriots game? I did not where you know they're doing the Patriots getting victory formation to do the to Nia and uh the Broncos nose guard dives the ball to try to get it. I get it and I was at the I was at fifty four street when it was happening. One guy was like oh my gosh so pathetic and I was like I was like listen dude. This is the end of the season. 26:06 Yeah, if he gets that if he can get there, yeah, if he hits that if he steals that that huge mom that snap that's on sports center for the rest of the yeah all of next year yeah yeah. So it's like yeah, you took a risk got to try and you can literally see the nose. They stand up in the center is like and you can see those are be like I got to try. I got to you got to be like the end of the season. If you guys win, then that's the thing. If they got the ball back, they could they had a shot crazy yeah, so but then there was there was this like 26:35 inverse propaganda though of the people who are like yeah. We probably should deal with how dangerous our games are yeah, and so this is this. The bottom says the moat in our neighbors eye, which means spec and so this is the United States like your various typical United States guy. Oh, they were they were probably down there shutting down the bullfighting. They're like they're fighting is dangerous, but then behind there is all of our games being and hold on the hell. So 27:04 prize fighting. I get it's boxing yeah. You know what's the top one? I have no idea. I'm guessing it's duck. I guessing is doug. It's a shooting yeah and then I don't know why the word is that the puck ah okay, so pigeon shooting sure there's football where a guy is laying down another person stomping on it, not stopping jumping both feet jumping on his back yeah and then there's the six day bicycle race, which is again something just a race and then there's base. 27:34 and the baseball is this guy hitting the umpire with the baseball bat, which is not over the which I feel like the cartoon insinuates. That's just part of the game. Oh, you're complaining about the bullfighting, but like a like a there's nothing the rules is that I can't hit you in the face with this baseball bat. That's part of the game. 27:59 like that's not part of the game. Yeah, you're not. is a good through. That is something you're not supposed to do in this game. Maybe I'm wrong and it's clearly babe Ruth that they drew. You know, saying like that's a paper just hits all these umpires of this base on that. That's why I get so many home runs. I don't think it's a very good. It just looks like an old player, yeah, so stocky. Okay, what is the six day bicycle race? We should do some stories on that well, because this was a big thing. A lot of people were talking about how 28:28 everybody's making a big deal about nineteen people dying in football, but like people die swimming all the time. People die like climbing rock climbing all the time. People die and I hate all the time. It's stupid stuff like they're like oh people get hit by cars every day. You're gonna stop going outside. You're like no, I am going to look both ways. Yeah, I'm going to try not to get hit by a car. I try to get hit by a car. I do my best to make sure a car doesn't hit me. 28:52 just because I swear to people's arguments are so they immediately be like oh and you're like okay yeah. Think about stuff man so so Teddy Roosevelt comes forward and he's like guys. We got to fix this. This is kind of insane yeah, and so he gets together this committee of college athletics representatives from all the Ivy League schools and he puts together the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States, the I A uh US 29:20 which four years later would change his name to the NCAA. Right. ah And their job was, make football a little less violent. ah So they get together and they look at all the rules and they say, OK, what are the things we can do to make this game less crazy? The first thing that they come up with was we should put a neutral zone in. We can't start the game where everyone's shoulder to shoulder or start every play where everyone's shoulder to shoulder. Put a little gap there so that way we can see what's going on. We know if we're a ref, if someone's throwing punches or pinching or biting or spinning. oh 29:49 or whatever they're doing in that pile. The other thing that they said was a few years ago at the end of the 1890s, there was this really big moment in football where a play was decided or a game was decided because someone threw the ball, which technically at that moment wasn't in the rule book. It got added to the rule book that that should be illegal, but that team won the game and they're like, oh, the forward pass cannot be allowed. That was weird. They went back to this. That was weird. Oh my gosh. 30:18 What's that thing flying in the air? Oh, it's the ball. 30:27 The ball is defying gravity. 30:34 So the organization says what if we in what we made that you could yeah. What have we said you could start throwing the ball, but a lot of people in that organization were like, but that changes the game of football. Football is is two yards in a cloud of dust game of inches. Sure, like it's the run game is the point of football and so it's interesting. They added throwing as something you were allowed to do, but they seriously shackled it. They were like well, 31:01 You can throw the ball, but if it's an incomplete pass, it's a turnover on downs. If you've got to catch it. And they were like, and if you throw it to the end zone and they don't catch it in the end zone, then the other team gets the points. And so like they make it this whole thing where it's like, yeah, you could technically throw. You probably should, but no one's ever going to do it because you made it so hard to throw. They changed the shape of the football to make it closer to what we have now. So that way you could actually throw it and it was possible to throw it. 31:28 And then they started, they codified a bunch of rules that are like, can't punch anybody, you can't drop kick anybody. Like here's what an actual legal tackle is. You can't hold anybody when you block them. It's like these like body blocks or like open hand blocks is all that's legal. um And like you can't throw people around. Really changing the name, the way the game works. They also, up until this point, ah you needed five yards to get our first down. 31:55 And so the game was a very short game. The way the game was played was you wanted to control possession. And so if you have the ball longer, the other team can't score. And so you would literally try to get the smallest game you could to get that five yards. You want to try to get chunk plays. But now having a 10 yards, like you had to get some chunk plays in there. And so this is when the screen pass starts to develop because it's like the safest pass you could do. Kind of open up the field a little bit. And the idea here is we're doing things to spread the field out. 32:25 So there's less bodies in this little mini spot and we're making it to where, okay, it's illegal to hurt a lot of people. 32:33 Hey, thanks for watching our show. you like it, a great way to help out is by being a Patreon supporter. Doing that helps make this show possible, but it also gets a lot of perks for you. You can get every episode a week early ad free. You get access to a Discord where you can meet a lot of other people who love the show and actually hang out with Jaren and I every month on a hangout. And we're also in that Discord chat all the time, hanging, talking with people, talking about episodes and just random stuff in life. It's super fun. 32:56 We do, there's a way to get birthday messages, a free gift, merch discounts in there. So there's a lot of really great reasons to be a Patreon supporter. You get a lot of benefits out of it. And it also makes the show keep happening. So if that sounds great to you, you can go to support.tillin.com or tillin.com slash support, uh or just tillin.com and search around until you find the links and become a Patreon supporter. really appreciate you doing that. But if not, right back to the episode, right? 33:25 and this is interesting because what ends up happening is this doesn't necessarily make the game safer. People still died playing the game every year. Okay, but it got a lot of people to be like oh, it's not dangerous anymore because the rules say it's not and so then like everybody kind of like the heat got off the game, but the next year people died playing football and then I playing football right. uh It just wasn't uh 33:55 it was almost like the like a PR campaign right yeah, all these holes yeah to make it seem safer um and and then they didn't add helmets and pads yet. Oh no, that didn't happen till like the world two thousand two. uh No yeah they because the pads were uh someone said someone said in this era that theodore Roosevelt was trying to sissify a man's game and yeah padding would be 34:23 Too far. Yeah, they played in literal caps and their. Yeah, suits and stuff. um And over the course of next 10 years, in an effort to try to make the game safer, the NCAA starts adding all these different rules to like spread the game out to widen it out. Eventually, they pull back a lot of these rules with passing to kind of make it to where it's possible to pass. And then I believe it's 1910 Michigan. They bring in a new coach who's like, OK, 34:53 now it makes sense to actually throw the ball. We're going to take advantage of this. And that season, um, they had, they played 13 game seasons. They won the championship, but not only did they win the championship, they had a spread where that year they, they had 526 more points than their opponents that year over the next four years, they went on this like dynasty winning multiple championships being, and they went undefeated for those four years. Um, and they had uh a 2000 points spread on their opponents. 35:22 over four years on thirteen team games crazy. What's craziest about this whole story is the fifth season. They were again a really good team into the game to get them to the championship. They lost that game in like a last second last minute play call like could have gone either way game and afterwards the people of Michigan revolted against the coach blamed him for it and we're like look what you did. It's like you're forgetting the last five years 35:51 or we won four changes. The school had never won a championship bro. I mean people do that with the chiefs right now yeah where people were like oh my gosh, it's all over get rid of get rid of any read no stuff and I go hey guys, I trust any roof of my life like we're not a hundred yeah a hundred yeah and so we're getting chased out of town. He can't get another don't really chase out of town. Yeah, that was a whole thing that way. You know what and that's what I missed to by the time we could chase people out of town dude like you can't you can't chase people out of town anymore. 36:20 you know, you can't show up at someone's house, which pitch for and chase them out of town. You know, saying like that doesn't exist anymore and it should. We should bring that back. I think we should. We should bring that because this is exactly what we'll start with you. What it was that's exactly what this was. 36:40 it because it's the same thing. This guy did not deserve to get chased out of town. I don't care. The people who I've got you could they just needed a skid. had the ability to chase someone out of town. I think that's great. Well, he gets chased out of town. We should go back to chasing people out of town and get a job in football ever again. Yeah, twenty years later he like was overcome with the grief, always outspoken about the fact that he ruined Michigan, but he made Michigan like that's crazy thing about me about this to me is like he 37:09 made Michigan a Michigan and he also made like bro. Here's the thing I am. I'm not usually in the college sports at all, but I've told you, I'm like I'm getting first trap edits of cursing yeti on my on my social fee. He sends them to me and that's what they are. They are third and it's like it's like thing where he's just like he's a guy win Google me and then it's just like the music and it's just different pictures of him. I'm like arms. I like do 37:38 I understand it the way that you look at dudes with hairy arms bro. I was straight up. I you know middle of the season. I was like I think they're going to do this yeah and then like when they go seventeen or no you're just like. I don't know and I really like it yeah. I mean it's hard not to is that incredible turn around yeah yeah and I mean if history repeats itself, they could they could scapegoat him when they lose once. 38:06 because that's what happened. I went on a file your waste him out of town. They chase this guy out of town, but yeah, that moment opened up the game of football. Wait the 1905 yeah, the 1905 the death, the death harvest changed the rules of the game to make it a lot okay, okay, okay, okay, and then from that moment forward, we started to see the transformation of the game to where passing was not just legal, but became viable. They add pads and stuff 38:35 I don't know when they actually added pads. I believe it was around World War Two. Let me see yeah um the nineteen tens is when we started to see real pad, so I was a little off, but those were over the head shoulder. Oh little those were just shoulder pads a little off. Those are so yeah helmets were until nineteen thirty two 38:54 helmets came in nineteen thirties face mass came in nineteen thirty yeah. I love that he's just pushing through. You can tell I really get into him right now. I don't know. I don't tell what I'm. It was literally just shoulder pads in the tens okay, and then the thirties were to the helmets in the face masks. The fifties one was when you started to see like the full like the full thing that we've got ads yeah, but uh anyways. All right, uh 39:22 Yeah, so the death harvest, the death harvest changed the game because everyone was like we shouldn't be killing people in his college game crazy Teddy Roosevelt campaign for that. Everybody hated him for it. And then ah we started to see football become what it really did at that time. What's really interesting is the NFL, like professional football as a whole was secondary to college football. Yeah, college football was what led the thing. And then throughout the course of it really was the Super Bowl. 39:51 changed that and the NFL overtook college football in the Super Bowl became a thing, but it was a few years of the Super Bowl before it became wow. This is better. I wouldn't say better, but this is a this is like the prime event yeah yeah yeah the big leagues. Yes, yeah, I think that if I was born in 1904 40:15 and I had the right nutrition and the right coaches yeah. I probably could have chased that guy out of town with the rest of the villagers. You know yeah, I think I think if I think that's where everything went downhill, we stopped referring to ourselves as villages. Maybe that's what we got to get back to towns folk yeah. Oh the towns people. Oh 40:39 the towns. That's why I love runescape dude in the runescape. I'm just part of a little community. Okay, wait speaking of Rune Scape though. Okay, so the beginning of the year, the Venezuelan president is kidnapped by our government, whatever your thoughts on that. I think it's crazy, so that's how the year starts. So listen, the world is crazy. Things are out of hand every day. The news is like you know yeah and so runescape is my escape yeah. 41:07 Yeah, and what's crazy is Alex doesn't know this is what something else is that I hate so much that Donald Trump taking Maduro effective runescapes economy because and this is true is that apparently a majority of the bots that exist in runescape are run by Venezuelans and so the way that they do that like there's money you can make in the game. 41:34 that you can make gold pieces and then they sell that on third party websites. So it's like you know ten mil is six dollars or whatever right and so they have these bots running that just cut logs for days at a time and then they sell those logs and then they sell that money on their website yeah and that's how these people are making real world money to pay for their lives in Venezuela because 41:56 they can make more money doing that than they could in any regular job in Venezuela like there are people. are gold farmers because it's not a ton. It's like two hundred dollars a month, you know, but in some areas that's more than the doctor in that town would make yeah, you know, and so these people are making real money by farming gold on runescape yeah and so whenever the Venezuelan United States stuff was happening, the economy and runescape was responding by like it do some of the prices on these things were skyrocketing 42:25 plummeting skyrocketing, not because they were anything real had happened yet, but out of speculation that if these bots all disappeared, if Venezuela's internet was cut off, if their access to the if that was the case, then it would throw these things into turmoil and I was just so annoyed that even the place that the medieval world that I go to to escape from reality is still impacted by gold speculations of the government, and I was like not even in in fair rock 42:56 I'm not even safe in one bridge. What is this world coming to? So he was Jeren stocked up on gold that day. Well, I'm an iron man, so doesn't matter to me, but I just thought it was interesting that the game economy was tied to the real world. You know I mean I and I really matter to me. I'm an iron man. I go alone as it were, so I go the road alone. 43:24 You can catch me. think right now I'm in barbarian village fishing, ah so if you want to stop by and say hi say hello, don't don't leave me alone. I'm fishing. This is my escape. is my escape from reality. Don't remind me that the world outside that I exist. Every time one of you mentions me and you're like, oh, I listen to your podcast. I don't do a podcast. My name is Costco dog and I'm an iron man and I'm fishing. All right, I don't know. You don't talk to me. I don't know you. 43:53 I don't know you, you don't know me. This is a bit like... 43:59 is a bit. This is a bit like whenever you know you'd see some of my a church at Applebee's and they ordered a beer yeah. You don't know them yeah. You didn't see that hey. I don't know you. I don't know you. I'm just here for the mot sticks. You don't know me. I'm here for the moot sticks and you are not going to tell our father about this our father yeah the pastor. Oh refer to the pastor's father. Oh no, I would never go to one of those 44:28 that's weird. I mean if it's if it's catholic, that's what ever it's Catholic. That's what if you're in an evangelical church and the pastor's like hi, I'm father, father, see that's a mark. I'm not about it anyway, uh so I don't know what other episodes we've done about football, but we put out episodes every week and it really the nine zero five Olympic Marathon. 44:55 No, the 1904 Olympic Marathon. I didn't know for him doesn't know what episode we do either, but if you check out the Olympic Marathon episode, but we put out episodes every week. We'd love it. If you share the podcast that really helps us a ton to get the word out. That's the best way to help us grow the show. The second best way is to join us on Patreon. 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