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Hey, man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the War of 1812? I'm so glad we're doing this because there are a couple of things I know about the War of 1812 and then it's that it was a war. Yeah. And that it happened. That's it, 1812, that's all I know. I know, no, I know, I know some stuff about it. And, but I'm gonna like, I'm gonna let you steer this one. What am I, yes, and it literally just means, yes, and hey, in regards to your new hairstyle, do you want me to be supportive or honest? That's a fun question, I'm just asking a lot more people, which I would be supportive or honest. Things I learned last night. As opposed to what we normally do. Yeah, it opposed to me, yeah, so let's learn about this. I do think that's funny. You mentioned in the year, we do one word, it's like we try to do an episode for memory that we did in the past, but I do think it's funny for me to bring it to the episode. And then I just try to do it, try it. Also a funny bit. We should try to do it. So at the end of the year, when you're listening in December, which is coming up, what is going to do some short episodes, let's just do that, where it's like 20 minutes. And we have to try to do a couple from memory, and also throw some topics at me and just see what I can, what I can just come up with. And then you live fact checked me as we're going, yeah, that's a good way, that's a good way. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Also, I think like the most obscure person, so no chance, now I'm going to give you someone really well now, or in a vet that's really well known, like the War of 1812. Sure. Maybe we should say. I don't want people to know about 1812 or though, I think it's one of those things where it's like, it's kind of on the, it's this is hipsters know about the War of 1812. You know what? That's what it is. That's where it is. Football jocks. They know a lot about War War II. Yeah. So the mustache who hangs out at Kingdom Coffee in Springfield, Missouri knows a lot about the War of 1812. You know, it's kind of weird that you say that, but that's actually so accurate. Yeah. It's actually like painfully. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, everyone's fascinating with FDR, but I like, I can't name a single person. Let's rip it. Okay. So the War of 1812 happens about 1812, but there's, there's a build up. Yeah. Set in the scene, kind of going back roughly to about 1804. And there's really kind of like two sides of the war. There's obviously, there's the American side, there's really two sides. There's the American side of the war. And the American side of the war is kind of like, I think I said this last time I brought this up, but it's like the second war for independence. Right. The United States won its war for independence, and it had it technically speaking. But Great Britain still was kind of ruling over us. Like it was like, it was like, yeah, it's been about 30 years at this point since the revolutionary. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and with that, like the Great Britain recognized the United States as its own nation. Yeah. Yeah, you're a country, but like we're in charge, okay? And so like there was still like a lot of regressive policies against the United States. And so for example, during this period, the Napoleonic wars are going off on Napoleon is going crazy. It was about Napoleon. That's a good idea. And so, Napoleon is going crazy all across Europe. And as a part of that, going crazy, Napoleon's going, you know, you guys know, that's how we described it. The Napoleon's going ham on Europe, right? Right. And then you know, Britain's looking at this, oh, the rinky dinky United States, huh? Oh, they talk like this. They didn't. They didn't. But that's, but that's actually, that's how they started it. They gave us big accents as a way of making fun of us. Yeah. And the US was like, you know what? Pretty sick. We're just going to take it. It's pretty sick. No, the war was such a big deal. And there was so many British soldiers that were stuck on British naval brigades traveling throughout Europe and war. Right. And the experience was so bad on these ships. Yeah. They were, they had like terrible discipline. And by terrible discipline, I mean, like they would like beat each other, beat their soldiers when they didn't like comply. Right. Food was really bad. A lot of them were starving. There was disease. Was rampant. It was dirty. And so what started happening in the middle of the Napoleonic Wars, a lot of these British naval sailors started realizing, oh, I can stay on this British ship and I can risk my life in a million different ways, right or the American trade ships keep coming. And their ships are newer and they're nicer and they're cleaner and they pay well. And I don't have the risk of getting shot. And so a bunch of British sailors were deserting the war effort and becoming American sailors like trade sailors. And a lot of them were nationalizing and becoming American citizens in the process. The problem was it was hard to tell these people apart, like who was the British person on board the ship and who was the American person on board the ship. Because like you mentioned, the United States has only been its own free nation for a little over 30 years at this point. And most of them came from Great Britain to begin with. And so they all sound like British people still. And so what Britain did was they said, we need our soldiers back. And so they enacted a policy. And the United States is looking around like, we don't have any, we don't have any. I don't know what you're talking about. You can find them. And so they, so Great Britain enacted what they called impressment. And basically what they would do is they would roll up to, yeah, I tried to do that when I was in middle school and high school, man, I was, I was going, I was bouncing around front group to front group, just impressment, you know, are you impressment? Hey, it's like a juggle. It would be more impressive if there were things, no, I'm juggling. Did you see that guy just showed up in like air juggled at the talent show? Yeah. I'm an air judge. You know what? What's the weirdest thing that someone did at the talent show? My talent show. Yeah. Um, I don't know if I would even cause weird because like, it got mixed responses. Uh-huh. I thought it was sick. But there was a kid who did the, through the fire and the flames on expert on guitar hero. And like he, he got, he had a wireless guitar and like, they had the lights go down. And there was a TV at the end on the stage. And he like came down the aisle and was like going down the aisle doing it. And he was wearing a wig. It was so sick. Um, but it got mixed, like some people thought it was weird that he did that. And so that was like it got mixed responses from the student population. That would be cool. Now. Yeah. Also the teacher who sponsored that, the teacher, never mind. I don't want to. No, like he thought he, he really made a big deal about him playing guitar here all the time. And constantly he kept the place teacher play guitar hero. No. The student who did it was really good at it. And the student who did it wasn't like the most popular kid in school. And there was times where it was like, are you making fun of this guy? Like it kind of sometimes was making fun of them. Yeah. The teacher was trying to do impressment on the class, kind of, kind of, kind of what of the kids. Yeah. That does suck. That for sure existed where teachers were like making fun of some of those students. But it was on the line. It's like genuinely. I'm not sure. Like there was moments where it's like, I can make a farmer. Do you actually like this? Like I can't tell. Yeah. I don't know. You wouldn't be able to tell. Would you? You seem like the type who couldn't tell a difference. Yeah. These are my friends. They're all nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was the weirdest thing in your touch? Was it you? No. There was a kid who tried to do ventriloquism. Ooh. Yeah. Love that. When I say tried to, you get, I mean, his mouth was open the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just know how to do a lot of like peculiar things. You've adopted a lot of strange skills that I don't know anybody else who has. Is that genuinely where that came from? I do have a set of skills. Like like you're like what? And I'm trying to blanket what that's called, but what's this? The accordion? You're really good at it. This. How does that happen? Like how do you happen? Well, I mean, you pull up and push it. You know, it's pretty self-explanatory. How? No, but like I bet you bought an accordion in a fish shop. I bet you would call it, we were 19 and you were sitting there and you were good at the accordion. In 2013, what was good at the accordion in 2013? And I thought like, I was like, why? Why are Reagan and Stevie not impressed by this? There were two girls on our side class that me and Tim were trying to impress me and impress me. Why are they not impressed by this? I can put the accordion. Look, I can put the accordion there like, okay. Tim can't tell if that's a joke. They were like making fun of me to you and they were like, yeah, he's really cool. Yeah, he's really cool. Yeah, he's really cool. And you're like, yeah, he's like my best friend. Yeah, right, genuinely. And then they walk away and they're like, so they're both idiots. So they're both like really dumb, huh? I was good at the accordion. It's true. Yeah. That wasn't the only thing. I feel like I went to your house for the first time and just saw your stuff and I was like, why does he know how to do all this? It was like so random. It was all, it was all trying to, I thought, I thought, genuinely, I thought that learning to play the tuba was going to impress some girls. Yeah. Did it? No, not in the slightest. Just my mom. I know. I don't know why. Honestly, I thought it was cool. Like the sussophone marching in the band with the big, you know, I was like, oh, those are the coolest ones. It is cool. It is cool. It does give like a doctor suss vibe, which is what I was going for. I was like, you know what girls in college, they're going to like my doctor suss vibes. Yeah, why did you know Tim? I don't think you meant to do this, but it is one of those things where it's like, why was I good at all those things? And it's just because I had a lot of time to do them to do things. And you were hanging out with people and friends. No, I was getting good at Halo 3. And I just, I threw myself out of Halo 3. It adds. It's really. It was. It was. Yeah. So anyway, they did a thing called impressment when they're trying to get the British shoulders. No, yeah. So what they would do is they pull up to these and they would do a talent show. And they're like, we know you want to be one of us hide the scurvy. Let's get these boys doing the voice. That's actually what the original Mount Rushmore was. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah, the heads turn around. Yeah. Um, so have you heard, never mind, um, have you heard of what the like plan for our Rushmore originally was? What? You heard like, because Mount Rushmore was supposed to be like not just the heads. They were into the full bodies. They were going to do the full bodies. And also, they were into the full bodies. No way. It might have been like, just like, yeah, they were in the chest. I don't know. Yeah. But there is down in the middle chest. There is, I don't know which one, but in one of them, there's a big cavity in the back of their head. There's a room because it was going to be a fault. I know which one. And so, but they never finished the vault. And so, like, there's a big doorway you can get in and it's supposed to, is that in the car too? I mean, I'm sure it's in car too. Which one has a, which one has a, I mean, I think it's Lincoln, right? Uh. I thought I didn't, no, is that it is actually Lincoln, no, wait, is it really, yeah, it's a 70 foot unfinished tunnel that was supposed to go to the Hall of Records. There's a secret tunnel in Mount Rochmore. Yeah. In the back of Abraham Lincoln's head, there's a 70 foot long tunnel. That was originally carved to lead to a titanium vault that they were going to call the Hall of Records. And they were going to keep like our secrets there. I don't know. I don't know what the plan was for it. It's like a library. How did you know about this? I did not know about this at all. Well, actually, maybe that's the weird stuff I was doing in high school is learning weird things like this. I literally did not know that that was there. Yeah. You're not allowed to go there. Oh. How did you get there? Uh. What does the back of Mount Rochmore look like? Uh. Let me get a picture. Have you seen the, has anyone seen the back of Mount Rochmore? Yeah. Gosh. It's so stupid. There's some dumb stuff in here. Um. What is that? Oh, yeah. They're butts. That makes sense. Oh, it's behind Lincoln's head. Okay. So it's not in Lincoln's head. Yeah. So yeah, it's behind. Oh. There's like fully a gigantic hole back there. Yeah. Because that was going to be the hall of records. The idea was, I guess a hard place to get to and it was going to be a titanium vault. And I don't know what you kept there. Like the history, like I genuinely don't know what the intention was, but it never was finished. Huh. So. Yeah. Because they did part of George Washington's torso. Yeah. I think it was supposed to be like the whole glass seat. You can see the shoulder. Yeah. It's supposed to exist there. And they just never did it. What's the progress on that other one, the, um, the one next to it? You know, I'm talking about the one that's like, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Crazy horse. Yeah. Yeah. That's because what's the, what's their current projected finish date of that? Let's see. Yeah. They just drilled this. I have never seen that before. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, there's no official completion date for crazy horse. Right now, last thing they did is dedicated the left hand in 2024, uh, for crazy horse. But I know what they were planning to do is they were planning on storing our founding documents in there was the intention. They were going to put like the declaration independence and yeah, and so it'd be encased in a titanium casing and stone. So I guess it'd be like super safe. I don't know. But yeah, here's crazy horse. Yeah. This one's going to take a long time. Yeah. I think I think a big thing is just like funding. Yeah. Yeah. This is just like crowd funded essentially. Yeah. Wild. Huh? Interesting. Well, I don't know how we got here. I remember what they were doing a talent show. Hey, we just reduced the price of our Patreon to $6.99 a month. That's one price for everybody. You get all the perks. You get the live hangouts. You get to join the discord. You get early access. Whichever reason you're joining for, we wanted to make it one price because I hate that everything in the world is going up in price. And so we wanted to make this a little bit more affordable for everyone to do. And so, uh, but also, you know, the other goal is that more of you join it so that we can keep funding the show. I mean, like, what, you know, how do I say that? That sounds like we're poor. And we are. We are. And, uh, no. But if you can't join us on Patreon, no worries at all. Uh, another way to support the show is by sharing it. Please tell somebody you like the show. And thanks for for being here for this episode. Oh, we said, we said about Rush World was the voice and so they had to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Impressive. Impressive it was they would pull up to the ship and they would like lower boards and crossover and board the ship. Yes. And they would be like all the British are coming with us. And but what really happened was they were like, all of you, they were like, we don't know which ones are British. So they would just pick a bunch. They'd be like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, yeah, you're, you're Navy soldiers. Hey, Alex, which of us do you think we get picked? I don't make that face what I'm doing this, yeah, they, they board and I've said they're like this. I feel like I want to go, I feel like Tim needing to do that kind of is the tell now they, but they would they would just come in and they would just like you, you, you, you, you, you're Navy soldiers now, uh, and they would for the British, yeah, for the British and they would just take, take them across and that was there we go. All right. Well, it was kind of like they pointed muskets out of them. We're like, get on the boat. Uh, and so you didn't really have a choice. Yeah, that was the 1800s in a nutshell. Wasn't it? Yeah. And so this was obviously something that I do think that a lot of like people just don't even understand how crazy civilization is now compared to like 200 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like a hundred year, uh, more than a hundred years ago now, but I mean, like, I don't know, not that like, you used to just buy force everything. Yes. So much of human history, yep, until the last 180, 190 years, I mean, I think even less than that. I think World War II, I think I think the economic world that was created in the post World War II is what led to the actual civilized society. Yeah. Huh. Yeah. Um, but, uh, so the United States obviously dated this. Yeah. This was not something that was good for the US. Another thing that they did was the British enacted the orders and council, which was part of trying to just make sure that they had the funding necessary to defeat Napoleon. Right. And so they were just regularly, uh, it kind of like attacks, but more like just a seizure, they would go to these American ships and they would just take everything, yeah, all the product, uh, everything that they all the supplies. And the often just the whole ship, they would just back it, we need it for the war. This is ours now. Um, yeah. And so the US is like, hey, we're like our own thing, um, just a, we're actually a different country and they're like, shut up. Just burst the boat. Come on. Just give us the boat, man. Come on. Come on. They're grand theft autoing the ocean. Exactly. Yeah. And so, so they are, uh, uh, uh, really pushing their fists down on the United States in a lot of ways. Another thing that's happening, um, on the other side of the United States, uh, this is pretty Louisiana purchase, very almost Louisiana purchase. But so there's this very, almost Louisiana purchase. What year was Louisiana purchase, uh, it was the middle of this. So I want to say like 18 11, 204, isn't I don't know, uh, dang it, 1803, 1803. So I knew that. So in the lead up, there is this chunk of the Midwest that has a bunch of native population right. And the United States is beginning its westward expansion, right. And this obviously is something that the native populations were like, hold on. And so there was these two native leaders, the native populations, like, hey, we're kind of our own thing. And the US is like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, like crazy. What's going on of it? The Brits are doing that to them and they turn around and they're like, hey, just shut it. It's very middle brother behavior. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So to come, so, uh, and his brother, uh, 10th, 10th squad, uh, 10th squad, uh, you don't have to try to say their names, but I appreciate your effort. Thanks. Uh, they get together and they say, there is no chance we're going to be able to stop this by ourselves. And so they put together, uh, what is called the Pan Indian Confederacy. And so they went through to basically every tribe from the Great Lakes to the South. And they were like, we need to work together to feed the United States. Uh, they're going to take all of our land if we don't. And what they said is they said, and what was really interesting is there was a pretty big, uh, discrepancy among the different tribal nations in terms of how they felt about this. Like, yeah, we'll be a part of it. Like, we'll be Americans and like, we'll naturalize and be U.S. Oh, sure. And then there was others that were like, we're going to kill anybody who looks at us. Yeah. And so there was a pretty wide gap between, but they went through and they made this argument that they were like, Hey, this land is not anybody's land. This is the earth. And like, they don't have a right to come take it from anybody and make get theirs. Like, this is just where we live. And so they made this like, like traditional native argument and got a huge chunk of their population to work together and basically, basically create like a NATO, like a Native American NATO to define themselves against the United States. And so this ended up leading to a series of battles where the United States was pushing across the Midwest. At the same time that Napoleon's pushing across Europe, yes, they're doing this. And then also getting their resources pulled on the other side. Yeah, from Great Britain to support the. Just trying to help you create a timeline here. Yeah. And so this is getting, this is starting to kind of boil over on both sides. Yes. And it boils into a moment in 1811 with a battle of typical new, where there was, it was basically, you started to see a moment where it became clear that Great Britain was not only doing impressment and doing the orders and orders and council, but they also were like potentially funding, but definitely aggravating the Pan Indian. Oh. And they were like, yeah, you do your thing. And so the battle they were trying to squeeze us. Yeah, yeah. And so the battle of the typical new, like Britain, it became clear that they were pulling the strings in that. And after that, Madison asked Congress for a Declaration of War. That's what would be the first Declaration of War in the history of the United States. And this and the last. I think we've done it six times. I want to say, but I mean, there's been a lot more, there's been like, that's an I was an operation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not a war, okay. And so they, they go to make this Declaration of War and eventually, like, it took a lot of convincing. There was a whole group of people that got the name, the War Hawks and a lot of people in the North were very against it because especially in cities like Boston, their entire economy was trade with Great Britain. And so going to one with Great Britain was like, hey, like, what are we going to do? Like, we need this. We can't just bite the hand that feeds us. And so there was a pretty big pushback against it. So there was, let me see what this was called, the Chesapeake Leopard Affair. And this was now 1807. This was a situation where you had a HMS leopard, which was a British ship that was docking on the Chesapeake, the US Chesapeake, and they were looking to do like an impressment sort of situation. And instead of just pulling up and doing what they normally do, or they pull up alongside it, they board, they take the people, they just pulled up alongside it, and they just started shooting cannons at it. And they killed three American sailors, drug off four, and this was kind of that moment that kind of galvanized. Yeah, it was like being like, oh, you're attacked us. Oh, this is like, yeah, you're like trying to do war here. Yeah. And meanwhile, Great Britain, oh, you're trying to do war. Meanwhile, Great Britain doesn't care about anything that's going on here. I should say doesn't care. It is the bottom priority because they are, again, they're fighting the pollution. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're also, remember, fighting the Luddites, and they care a lot about the Luddites. They sent a large army to fight back the Luddites. And so they're spread pretty thin. But they are trying to almost like puppeteer war over here through the Pananyan Council. And so this finally became a thing where Great Britain was like, okay, we've got to send some people over there. So they end up sending, I believe it was 11, 12% of their military over, so a small portion to basically do a naval blockade. And so they began being these battles at sea. And it's interesting to kind of look at this phase of the war because up until Napoleon was exiled, yeah, there was some naval conflicts, some small skirmishes. But mostly this was the US versus the Pananyan Council. Right. There was one moment where the US was like, hey, maybe we could take Canada because Britain isn't looking and that's a British colony. So they tried that and it went horribly wrong and they did the whole thing. They tried to negotiate with Canada. Canada's like, we're good, man, actually, we kind of like Britain, we kind of love them. And so it kind of fell apart pretty quickly. But then when Napoleon gets exiled, all of a sudden, Great Britain's like, all right, we got the time now. And so they were into Washington and they just burned down everything. Yes. And so this is where they burned down the White House, a lot of the important national monuments that we had in that era. And they were like, hey, don't forget who you're talking to here. It was kind of like the intent. But a handful of others don't forget who you're talking to. What's some respect? So what's interesting though is throughout this, the United States is very like a split in terms of how they feel about it. The North, honestly, a large swath of New England is considering breaking off and becoming their own nation as a part of this war. Because they're like, you're suffocating our economy by fighting Great Britain right now. Sure. Koreans are being the secret meeting in Hartford, Hartford, where they kind of put together this idea, this was called the Hartford Resolutions. And this idea, it's really interesting, it doesn't actually go through, but it does seem to be a, what's the word I'm looking for, like plant the seeds for some future developments in the States. So the three big things that they argued for and this was eliminating the three fifths compromise, which was very early to the game in that. But their reasoning wasn't really the right reasoning, I should say, because the argument that they were making was the only reason we lost the vote to go to war is because they have more representation because of the three fifths compromise. And so they were like, they should have zero, like, oh, it wasn't like, let's, let's make a full citizens. It was like, let's make a non-citizens. Yeah. So that way they don't have a disproportionate. So that was not ahead. It was not. It was not. That was not. That was not like, oh, pretty ahead of the, pretty ahead of the curve there. That means no. It's fully wrong. The inside of the curve. The ends were good. The means were not great. The ends were not good. Oh, I guess you're right. I guess you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You're right, you're right. The ends were not good. I guess you're right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like the end goal. You're right, you're right, you're right. No. I'm getting mixed up. Eventually, making a full citizen. Yeah. You're right, you're right. Yeah. I know. Okay. So the second thing they did was they wanted, all right, I guess. Yeah. Go ahead and try to get off that one for sure. It was requiring a two-thirds majority for declaring war. They were like, this has to be a super majority for this. Yeah. You cannot have, like, because they, I guess you can't have a 51-49. Yeah. They were very against this. And then the thing that they argued for that was really interesting is they wanted to limit presidents to a single term. And they wanted to prevent there being a consecutive president from the same state. So if you were running and last person who ran was from the same state as you, you can't run that term. Oh. Which is really interesting. And I've been thinking about this since I read this. And I can't decide if I think this is a good idea or a bad idea yet. The state thing, I think, is inconsequential. I don't think that that really matters. But are you saying one term? It's a single term. Yeah. Like, I can't decide if I think that's a good idea or a bad idea. I think two terms is fine. I think what we've got is already short enough. The bigger problem is that four years is not enough time to do— Anything. Hardly anything, right? Yeah. Yeah. Especially when, every two years, you're losing the house and Senate. Yeah. You know? Yeah, exactly. And with how polarized our current system is, like, you really have two years to do something. There is a kind of ridiculous amount of instability in having power change in hand. That's what I'm saying. So off. Yes. Yes. And it's hard to do anything geopolitically. And especially since some administrations would like to politicize a ton of offices, because we used to have a lot more federal employees who were there through different administrations. Yeah. And now, because they won't control the whole thing, they're trying to make it so the new administration puts this person, this person, this person, this person, this person, this person, this person, and this person in. Yep. Yep. And so it's like every four or five, every four to eight years, we're replacing the entire thing. Yep. That doesn't make sense. Yep. Yep. Yep. It barely works whenever you're replacing this sector and then these federal employees who can stay here for 20 years, you know, and are supposed to be completely independent. Yep. Anyway. Get back to the war between 12. Let's go back to the past. They're going to cause Jeyer and to crash out. So they come up with all of this and they say, okay, let's go to Washington. Let's bring this to them. And they show up in the like oh my gosh, it's on fire. Well, here's the thing. Oh, we're too late. Here's the interesting thing is everybody knows that this war is not going well for the United States. They are. Everybody knows it. Well, the whole of the United States does. Yes, it was getting around because here's the thing before the, before the British ever really got involved in the war, like we were fighting the war and the British just like stop where we're busy. Oh my gosh, they're still doing this. And so before the British ever really stepped foot in like actually being a part of the war, we were deeply in a bad place because we are a young country at the time. Sure. We don't have a strong military. Right. We have been actively taking our ships, actively taking our soldiers and taking our resources. And we are also fighting this war on the other front where we're trying to expand where we're trying to expand and it's not going great either. Like it's going, it's kind of like a tip for tats sort of situation on that side of the front on that front. And so it's getting the point where it's genuinely starting to look like, especially once Britain gets into the war. Yeah. And we started burning resources. We're about to be stalked out. Maybe the burning of DC and the amount of the way our funds are dropping and the way our economy is thinking because the great Britain was our number one trade partner. Right. It's genuinely in a situation in 1814 where it looks like the United States might not survive this. Yeah. And so that's where the Hartford Commission gets together and they come up with this policy. They say, okay, let's march on Washington. And let's try to create some change, get a treaty in place and in this war once and for all. Or we're in New England. Like we're a different nation. Yeah. And so they start marching on on Washington meanwhile, while this is happening, Washington puts together the treaty again. And so December 24th, 1814 is when the treaty again is signed. Guys, it's Christmas. What's going on? It's a little bit. Have a heart. Well, you guys are being real screwages right now. And what's really interesting is this treaty is basically like, let's pretend that there's a wrap. Hey, I don't, I just woke up. I don't remember anything from the last two years, do you? What if we didn't? It's genuinely, let's just restore everything back to the way it was. All the pre-war borders are going to be what they were before. You guys can keep doing an imprisonment. That's cool. All of the origins and counsel, like if you guys want to do that, whatever, like all the maritime rights, all this stuff that we went to war for, it's okay. We forget it. I'm sorry. Yeah. But now, Britain's like, no, no, they are also like, yeah, that sounds fine. We're tired. Oh, we just did the Napoleon, we just did Napoleon and we did the Luddites. Now we're doing this and it's just like we're just so sick of it. So they all agree to go back to the status quo, but here's the problem about going to war in this time is news travels slowly. And so on January 8th, 1855, general, sorry, 1815, January 1855, real slow. So on January 8th, 2006, just ran out of that, the treaty, well, did you hear the more 1812 is over? I've been here for a hundred years. Hey, October 22nd, we're doing till alive as part of the Fountain City Comedy Festival here in Kansas City. You got a tillin.com slash live for more information. You get passes. There's going to be more than just us. Oh, yeah. It's like legitimately not an advertisement right now. The festival's pretty sick. Like, there's a really great lineup. A lot of really good comics. This thing's been growing a lot the past couple of years, so really cool to be the part of it. And so hopefully we'll see you there. Andrew Jackson is fighting the Battle of New Orleans. Uh-huh. The Battle of New Orleans is crazy because this was because it's beets everywhere and it was, you know, whoa, yeah, which doctors, oh, no, the crazy thing about the battle, oh, no, sorry, your bit went to a place I don't want to go. So I'm going to break the cardinal rule and say, no, no, okay. Which doctors and like the swamps? Yeah, yeah, I guess I get it. I don't think they were there yet, though. I think the title is, I'm pretty sure they're there. Win, did, win. Which doctors, always, yeah, said, uh, oh, yeah, they were there. Yeah. Huh? They call them root doctors, though, at the time. Yeah, but they did. So, huh. I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. We'll go back to it. Yes. What am I, yes, and it's literally just me saying, yes, and hey, in regards to your new hairstyle, do you want me to be supportive or honest? That's a fun question. I started asking a lot more people, which I would be supportive or honest. That is pretty funny. Yes. And it's very clear. What do you think? Yeah. What do you need from me right now? That's pretty honest. I'll be honest. Support or honesty? Because I can lie. Jeez. Um, it looks good. I think so. Uh, which one do you think that was? I want to let you guess which one I chose there. I'm just mad that you went, oh, no. And then I was right. Yeah. That's a no way. I'm sorry. There was, that does make me think they'll speak it up like things you're asking. Other people, uh, this is a new thing I'm asking people. When's the last time you woke up in the middle of the night and you thought there was a demon in the room with you? You asked for that yesterday and pandas for us. Why? Why are you asking people? I think it's a flybreaker. All right, guys. Hey, thanks for going to our team building. Uh, we're going to have a really great exercise as we begin. Uh, we got some questions on the PowerPoint behind me. So we're going to break into groups and, uh, you know, uh, go eat, answer the question and then like when, when the, when the bell rings, switch groups and yeah, keep going. So, uh, first question is, what was your favorite summer memory? Okay. Two minutes on the clock, guys. All right. Okay, guys. That was great. That was great. Break up with switch groups and stuff. Okay. Next question. When was the last time you saw a demon in your room? All right. Talk amongst yourselves. We do have bagels and coffee in the back. Yeah. And which doctors were there? In the early 1800s. In the early 1800s. So like, it could have been a witch doctor. We were called root doctors. Yeah. Ironically, actually, I asked Bri this the other day and she was like, well, for me, when I was a kid, it was, it was witches. I thought witches were in the room all the time. That was my thing. Yeah. Yeah. Did you think it was demons or ghosts? No, I thought it was my dad. My dad's the room. I was like, dad. And then I would wake up. Your eyes were closed there. And you're like gripping the blankets. Dad is like, dad. Dad. Dad. Dad. You know, oh, uh, this is a genuine question. I wanted to know your answer though. When was the last time in college, I think, I think I woke up in an angel once. How interesting. Actually, do you think you told me that story? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's happened in me since high school. Yeah. Well, we did a whole episode on this man. Yeah. Yeah. And that was kind of like the, but we talked about. Yeah, that's an, or the hat man, honestly, like the hat man is probably the closest thing to like what I was envisioning whenever, you know, it wasn't because of Benadryl. It was because of deep regrets that I held in my heart, so I saw the hat man because I'm filled with regret, so he's playing the accordion. He taught me. I learned he's like, you want to know how to do this? You asked me earlier, I was stressed, I was too embarrassed to admit this. You asked me earlier how I know all this stuff, and it's just going to spend a lot of time with the hat man. I haven't done me a lot of really straight skills. A hat man taught me how to do this. You want to see how to start a fire with your hands? I like that we both did what we think would start a fire with our hands. And I want to emphasize that you and I did that in front of an eagle scout. And we're right though, aren't we? I mean, there's got to be something on my hand. Yeah, there's got to be just doing this. Yeah, like just your hands not going to start on fire. Oh, you want to bet? Oh, I bet if I did this all enough. Just keep going through the episode like this. Yeah, I think you probably, Tim, tell about the 1812 war, we're now in 1815, you messed it up. That's how we got here. So the Battle of New Orleans, Andrew Jackson, January, 1815, in New Orleans, Louisiana. What's really interesting is this battle, United States had about 4,000 men. The British forces had about 8,400. And what's crazy is that Andrew Jackson somehow ended up, this was a very short battle. It was about 40 minutes. And in those 40 minutes, the United States, the numbers are a little tough to get exact, but some are between 13 and 71 killed about 39 wounded. The British forces had over 2,000 killed and around 300 wounded. And they captured almost 500. And so this was like a huge victory. And this whole, this created, turned Andrew Jackson into like a folk hero, which is what catapulted it later into the presidency. But this was after the war, like after the treaty. And so this was I think a relatively normal like, he did it and he was like, we did it. And they were like, oh, yes, you did it, you did it. You did it. You did it. You did it. You did it. You did it. You did it. You did it on this. Great, great, great. Andrew Jackson did this. Put it in the papers. Did newspapers exist yet? Did we have the printing press? We had the printing press, but I don't think Tim, I'm joking with you, Kyle. I don't know if we had like newspapers, though, I don't know. But news does reach out to what's really interesting. So the tree of Ghent has been signed for a month. Bore is over as far as Washington's concerned. Yeah. Then on this same day, February 13th in the morning, Andrew Jackson gets back to Washington and tells the stories of their big successes in New Orleans. And they're like, oh, and they're like, that's awesome, dude. Yes. And he's like, yeah, it was January 8th, and they're like, yeah, woo, woo, woo, woo, we're going to have to explain this one. So when you say January 8th, that is central time, right? It was the other time zone. It was before we started. Oh, yeah, it was, woo, woo. And so, so later that evening, though, the Hartford Commission shows up and they're like, hey, we figured out how would I do this and they're like, guys, they're like, whoa, I'm 100 of them. Stand right there. It's like, yeah, they're all captive, I don't like them. I don't like them. No, and so, so Washington is still on fire, but everybody's ecstatic. Everyone's like, we got a treaty. We kicked their butts in Louisiana. And so the Hartford Commission is like, oh, no, what was your idea? We were actually thinking about declaring war. We were actually kind of thinking like, like, imagine a piano that was like on a bag, and you could just cut a bag, you know, um, we, we came up with three ideas, a bag piano. Um, let's, let's put four of these guys on Mount Rushmore. So they're on February 16th, Congress or the Senate ratifies the treaty of Gantt, and then the following day, they officially proclaimed the peace, the war is over, um, everything can go back to the way it is, or the way it was, um, kind of, uh, because a lot of think, like, like that's the thing about this is like technically they restored the status quo. But also, yeah. And while technically the US and, it's been like, you know, if you've been punched by one of your friends before, and then you guys hang out again, it's like, yeah, you punched me. I mean, yeah, we're cool, but also like, but like, I'm not going to forget that you punched me at one time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, but there was more than the war with Britain in this. There was, they were stored pre-war borders between the United States and Britain were restored. Right. But there was still everything that was happening on the, with the Pan Indian, uh, borders. And so there was the, the native population were really like, you can't really say the United States or Britain won the war of 1812. It was kind of a draw. But you can say that the Native American nations lost the war, uh, because this is where, uh, much of the Midwest, uh, up through really the point where the Louisiana Purchase began was taken by the United States. Right. And then obviously the Louisiana Purchase. Oh, you know why I knew it was 1804. Why? That's the Lewis and Clark expedition. Oh, interesting. That's really interesting. Not that. And it's kind of interesting. We did a musical in fourth grade. Lewis and Clark, Clark and Lewis, Clark really wanted to be first, you know, is that historical or is that just part of the musical? That was part of the musical. I think it was for comedic effect. Oh, interesting. But it is interesting. And I didn't think, I haven't thought about that. It's interesting kind of an preparation of this, thinking about the Luddites and Napoleon. And even like right, like right before Napoleon was the French Revolution. And so it's like, it's crazy to think about like how all of this stuff, I don't know, you learn about a history class. And it seems like it's happening at a vacuum. Yes. Like it's all very separate. When you see it all, like it also like human history, again, I keep saying, like it's crazy that less than 200 years ago, they were, it was, you could just, whoever had the stronger power won that interaction. Yes. You know. Did you have those you want to say? No, I just think that like that's like, and that's, in a way, that's what laws are is that laws put power on your side so that when you have an interaction with someone, like a company can't rip me off. And if a company rips me off, I'm not going to go shoot them. Yes. But I do have power and then I can alert authorities. Yes. And I have rights. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's, those are powerful things. Yeah. I do think it's interesting. I'm pulling in a map so we can kind of see exactly what was seated by the Native American people as a result of this. And so you can kind of see, oh wow. Yeah. And I do think it also, it kind of set a precedence like before the war of 1812, there was a little bit that that was seated. But afterwards, it really accelerated this American westward expansion, after the war of 1812. And so I think like, yeah, there's, I think there's something to the fact that the United States realized, oh, even when all of them banded together, we were able to, and while we were also fighting Great Britain, we were able to take a lot of. Sure. I'd be interested more in that. We should do, I should, well, I would like to like find a book on that. Huh. Yeah. So that's the war of 1812. Yeah. Some people call it the second American revolution, but it was kind of a draw. It was kind of a draw. So like, I don't know how accurate that is, but it did, I will say, it did kind of cement that. We're our own thing. We're our own thing. It was like, yeah, whatever. I think I'm okay. Yeah. We're not going to. It's not worth the manpower to get overseas. Yeah. Yes. And try and fight you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. And yeah, I ratified like a national fervor. Yeah. Now this was, do we have a national anthem then? Yes. I'm glad you brought this up. I almost forgot. And so this was in the middle of the war. There was a bombardment of Baltimore's Fort McHenry. It was, they, for 25 hours, they were bombing Fort McHenry. And there was one lawyer, Francis Scott Key, who was detained on a British ship. And he just. During 1812? During the war of 1812. Oh, wow. I was trying to get to a thing in the interior. No. Yeah. I'm glad you brought this up. But that's. This is a real thing I wanted to cover. Fun fact. Because yeah, that's where he watched Baltimore just get obliterated, like non-stop, 25 hours of bombardment. The rocket's red glare. And yeah. He wrote the national anthem. What would become? At the time he wasn't like writing the national anthem. Yeah. He wasn't like this. He was the national anthem. He was, he was more journaling, honestly, like poetically journaling because it was like an emotional thing to watch. And that it ended up getting set to a tune later in becoming the national anthem. Wow. Yeah. I was trying to get to a fiddle. But that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Funny. Interesting. Wow. Okay. Well, hey, if you like this episode and you want more of our show, we mentioned the Hat Man in this episode. And we did an episode about that in, you know, a lot of people have this shared sleep paralysis demon. And we talk about maybe why and maybe the source of the Hat Man. So it's so insane that this episode is the more of 1812 in the related episode is the Hat Man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also you can check us out on Patreon. That's a way to help support the show and help us grow. Please share this with somebody. Tell somebody about the show. Tell them. Tell them. Please. It really is the freest and most helpful way to help grow the show. So we'll see you next week.