Orgone – The Rocks Inspired by Freudian Theories… It’s Insane

08-30-22

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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of? I thought you were about to do the Oh oh, yeah, oh, not much. Have ever heard of what? Oh, have you ever heard of Oregon? Oregon or gone? Are you just saying Oregon? Stupid? No, Oregon, O, R G O N E. Orgone organ or gone. Well, here, either here or gone. You know. Also a great joke. All write down, Alex. is that writing? That one? To this day, if you go to the FDA and you say or gone, they shoot you with the spot. We just built microwaves for people. Step into my human wave. You know, one of my biggest fears is one of these cults. Is Right. It's like one of my biggest fears. Things I learned last night. Organ. Man, uh, stop right now. Stop, it's not okay, don't worry. I mean it could be. Or is it like a fantasy thing, like like the sound organ sounds like he trains dragons. You know I'm talking about like that's that's gone, or dragon train. Am I just thinking of? What was the Big Dragon series? Aragon? Aragon, yeah, I think they're making that new a movie. Great, I'll watch it. I guess I'll subscribe to whatever services doing it and I'll watch it because I just so I couldn't remember the title of the book. But you know, what I can't wait for is the movie. You know, I couldn't remember a thing about it. All I know is was a blue dragon on the front. But I was like yeah, I can't wait to watch that film. I can't wait to sit down with a big old bucket of Popcorn Watch that movie. Okay, you know, there's a lot of trails we need to follow here. Let's start from the beginning. Have you ever heard of Wilhelm Reich? Wilhelm Reich, yeah, German, yeah, yeah, okay, Um, I feel like a slight disclaimer is necessary here. Um, Wilhelm Reich was a contemporary of Freud, okay, and so he has some very Freudian theories. So if you're one of those people who listen with your family and you haven't had some conversations, maybe skipped the first few minutes of this Fred. Yeah, yeah, that's the moment in every child's life where their dad sits them down and it's time to learn about saying. What do you talk about? The Freud and the bees and Um, we talked about okay, so, Wilhelm, he's got some Freudian logic. Yeah, and and this this Oregon comes from around like like the oedipus complex kind of stuff. No, but similar and weirdness. Um. So, basically, wilhelm, Wilhelm and Freud never met each other. Um, I picked up his work of looking at eels, but they were psychoanalyzing at the same time. And UH, Freud was a fan of rech Reich was influenced by Freud. So right, came like at the very end of Freud's life, Um, and career, and then started his career early enough to wear Freud. Reich was a fan of Freud. Reich was a fan of Freud, and he was. He was influenced greatly by him. And then Freud. Their careers overlapped just a little bit. So Freud got his books and became a fan of him as well, but they never met a mutual fan, mutual combat. So and actually, if you go to the signal Fred Museum, which is his house, Um, his personal there I be that level of famous where they have to turn my apartment unit into a museum. You know, this is where jared Myers lived, and everyone's like this is it, this is that's at the time one of my friends got in my car, it was like this your car. When I said Yeah, because I love how humble you are. No, that's not a good thing to say, but I'm gonna Start saying that when I go. I love how humble you guys are. It's really good. That's just like. That's like the worst rich person dig pleased walk to someone's home, their home, they have a mortgage payment. I love how humble you guys are. This is great. This is like the perfect size. It's not too big. You know, not too big. It's not too big. You need to start doing that, like start meeting really rich people, and I should have done that to that really rich house I did a couple of weeks ago. I went and did a backyard show, like the kind of family that has a painting of their family. Yeah, you know any he who has that? If you've got a painting of your painting of Yourself, family portraits painted? No, Dude, you should pay more in taxes. So I'm like, you know what I'm talking about. So, like that house, I should have walked in and been like, Oh, so humble. Um, so my apartment is bigger. So Freud was a fan, but they never met. Reik was greatly influenced by him and it shows in the sigma before a museum. What, Oh, Sigmund Freud has all the books that he had released before Sigmund Friday. Look at the back, the last page torn off like academic books. They don't even end in the end. It doesn't even make sense that he left it with all the bodies. It's like it's like a conclusion the psychoanalysis of our tests this and then we're just like what is so uh? Well, Um Right. Had this theory that, Um, there's an energy in the world, Um, that is kind of circuling our atmosphere and it builds up in each of us and that causes all of our uh, stress and anxiety. Any mental issue is caused by this energy getting built up within us. The only way to release that energy is through and so you let that out and then it goes back in the atmosphere and just keeps it circling. Um. And so what year were they doing this? The Nineteen Thirties, Um, and so uh. Because of that belief he started trying to Um, he called it or Goon Orgon, he called it organ Um, and he started trying to find ways to conduct that organ energy. And he said, is there a way we can capture this energy from the atmosphere to where, Um, just in your regular day you could pick up an or going accumulator. You're like, I'm a little stress, I'M gonna pick up a conductor and let that conduct that energy and let that stress out of me. But it's not like. You know what I'm saying. Do you know what he's saying now? He's trying to take that sexual component out of it to where you could grab these little little accumulators and it lets your stress out. So there's an energy, yeah, in everything, every in the world. Yeah, and it's also in us. Yeah, but the only way to get it out of us, because it has to get out of us for some reason, because if you have too much of it it makes you stressed and or depressed in any condition. You need you need a release of some kind. And he's saying he's trying to make conductors so that way you can just grab onto that conductor and it would release it, instead of what he thinks is the normal way, instead of dancing. So he built this, uh, he built these, a couple devices the Oregon. What was his theory that would would release that energy. Well, he did a lot of research and he came up with these devices. So what he came up with was he said he believed that metal could conduct it, but it would it would only travel through organic material. So metal would attract it, um, but I couldn't harness it. Organic material could harness it. Attached it to an orange. Just put a nail in some oranges during a lightning storm. Oregon come here, you know. So he built, uh, a couple of things, uh one uh, and I don't know why, Um, but I guess. There he had this theory that clouds trapped it above the clouds. And so if you had I mean, why do you think any of this we're trying to justify where like yeah, for some reason he thought it was above the clouds, like okay, and you're like that was the weird part that he thought. Yeah, everything else, everything else completely normal, but this is like the one weird thing where it's like trapped above the clouds or whatever. And so he made these, uh he called them cloud busters, which picture picture the like anti aircraft cannons, but it was it was a box and that box was a bunch of metal and organic material and then like copper pipes, like big copper pipes that he would just point up at the sky and he claimed you point that up at the sky and it breaks up the clouds, and so that way the energy can come through. Does he does the does the does he shoot the little things inside into the sky, or he just sits there and points it and it sends the energy up and breaks up the clouds? Cloud busters, we should first of all figure out time travel right, and then if we can do that, then we can go back and pretend to be scientists. So let's be scientists, figure out of time travel right, and then go back in time and take because you can just say stuff. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah, I made this thing. It's literally just a box with some crumbled up paper inside. It's like it's like like a like a cardboard box crumbled up paper and then a toilet paper roll star, like yeah, see, so the crumble up paper, the way it works is that it creates a lot of energy in there and then it shoots out this toilet paper roll pipe into you see how the clouds are moving. I did that. Yeah, it's because of this. Yeah, did you see the sun rose this morning. Yeah, this, because this box, because this box here, like you just say stuff. So it's some idiot would be like yes, yes, yes, how much money do you need me to let me fund your research. So the other thing he made was orgone accumulators, and what these were were picture those like Saunas that you can buy at Costco. Um, yeah, the personal one where you get into it and it's like a little tent. Yeah, Oh, it's not a tent, it's like a wooden a wooden sauna, but you can buy it at Costco's like a little like it looks like an outhouse. Um, what I'm always thinking of the personal sunas. Have you seen? I'm not seeing tent based. Look up personal sauna real quick. You've got to see the pictures for this, because it looks like, you know, it just it looks like a Halloween costume, to be honest with you. Have you seen it where it's like a little easy? I'm talking about that's a real thing someone pays money for. That's a that's a purchase. That's like I got a family portrait. You know I'm talking about. That's a stupid purchase. There's a hundred dollars yeah, to just put her out and then your head is out of it and your body is just in a sauna. I got one at home. But yes, Bro, it's just it's like we took the snuggies right and we're like this is the next level snuggie. This is a introducing the sauna snugy. Right. This is terrified. Can you imagine walking into a room and not knowing? Why? Where do you put that glass when you're done drinking out of it? There's no table next to her. That's the sweat. You put it at the Sun's disgusting, doesn't it looks like the worst? Doesn't it look like she's like, yeah, it's Halloween, I'm being that girl from Willie Walker. It doesn't look like absolutely absurd? Yeah, I've never heard of this. This is not what I was thinking. I was thinking of like the actual like Saunas that you put one of the pieces from the board game. Sorry, you know, just she's hopping around. It looks so stupid. It looks you're thinking of like an actual wooden full Sana thing. Yes, yes, like one of these, the like like an actual wooden sna. Where did the picture go? Oh, it's like an actual wooden sauna that you put in like a closet in your basement, but it's only really big enough for you. Yeah, maybe you could squeeze another person in there. In my apartment I put on my personal sauna and then I'd go sit in my wood sauna, double sauna, sauna squared, is what I called it. So, so like one of those is like a little little wooden like an outhouse. That was a good that was a good description. Um. But inside of it, what he did is the walls are lined with metal and then organic insulation. Metal, organic, over and over and over again, it's insulation from Your House, but made of, I don't know, organs. Yeah, rats, I don't know. It's some kind of organic inslation. Yeah, honestly, it was probably for like, honestly, most likely for Um. But yeah, so it was alternating all and organic stuff and he believed that he could capture yeah, then he lined the inside of the walls with metal this energy. Yeah, and his idea was now it's going to conduct the energy and you could sit in that little room, close the door. It's gonna shoot that energy into you, release the energy, Um, and that will distress you and release your anxiety and he started practicing this and he was just built microwaves for people. Step into my human wave. Um, no, it was a megawave. So, uh, he started practicing and like he was. He was in Vienna, Austria, Um, and he had people who came with symptoms and his treatment would be, why don't you step in that room for like an hour? Um, you're anxious, you have a closet for that. I got a closet for that. Stress. I got another closet for stress. Um. Uh. So here's the weird thing about this, and I don't know, we've already said some weird things. I don't know if it's the weird thing about this. That's a weird thing about this part of it. Part of me is like wow, that's very odd that they did this, but then part of me, knowing all of this, it's like yeah, that makes sense that they should have done this. The F D a read his books and they were like no, we don't like that, and so so they like banned that treatment in the US and they collected up sixty his books that were in circulation and they burned up, which is the only time I've heard of the FDA ever burning books. I don't know the FDA would be the one that did it. Who would have thought? We've been keeping an eye out of like the politicians and the you know, the fascists or whatever. Secretly the Federal Department of Agriculture only got to get this off the streets. Dude, this book's caused me a lot of stress and it's giving me ideas of how to fix it. But I don't want to do those. There's there's a guy there trying to all books and he's lighting the fireworks like firewar, turning the book. But this also comes from like the same time of people who did those little belt workout machines, right. They just thought if you jiggled the fat enough it would go before that. But yeah, same concepts that. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, people were dumb for a long time. Well, wait to hear about people are still stupid. But yeah, well, wait till you find out about twitter. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this podcast you wanted more of it, please leave a review. That's super helpful to let others know who are searching for a podcast. And if you're new around here, we've been doing this for several years and there's plenty of episodes to check out. One of my personal favorites is agent Garbo, is a guy who went to the government during World War Two and was like hey, let me be a double agent and they were like no, and then he was like well, I'm gonna and so he kind of went off on his own did the thing. It's also got some crazy details about world war two, about how the US use inflatable tanks to trick Germany, all kinds of fun stuff, but if you want to go check that out, you can. Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. So in the nineties, so he he practiced for a little while and then he died. And when Freudian psychology fell out of favor, he went with it and everybody else was like, Oh yeah, that's weird. Um, we're gonna stop doing that. Um. And in the US that never really happened because the FDA burned all the books, but everywhere else kind of followed suit shortly after Um when everything changed, and till the nineties. And in the nineties the US government released a report. Um I was like, Hey, we burned all those books, Hey, you guys are that a huge fire. But when we burned a those book. There wasn't those books. We burned the graphic novel Aragon. Not a graphic novel. It's graphic in m dude, somebody in the FDA office they heard the announcement they were making that a movie and they went what what? We burned the Aragon. I thought you said something else. I thought you said the forbidden word. To this day, if you go to the FDA and you say Orgon, they shoot you with a spot. What did you say? You're dead. Jump and they're FDA desks. They're stupid little cubicles and they're just typing agriculture whatever they and someone says Orgon and then pull a pitch a mini pitchfork, a retractable pitchfork, out of their desk right and they go kill that guy. My Selfie, stick kill that guy. I do like the idea of a retractable can we make this? If people are selling personal sawness, we can absolutely make retractable pitchforks. Dude, oh my gosh, that's incredible. Yeah, who we call for that? We need to work on that. Take a note to take it out of the episodes and steals our idea. Jerry, look at the TV. They stole my idea. That is such a deep it's such a deep car also for my other idea. Get in here, but also a stuffed animal. It faults. Oh my gosh. Okay, that was a deep cut. I like that. So, uh, in the nineties, the military releases this report and it was this. It was a hypothetical study where they basically were like, what if it was possible for us, UH, in battle, to control the weather and so we could say, Hey, we're fighting these guys over that, or what if we struck him with lightning like and just added another weapon to our Arsenal? And it was incredibly hypothetical. Um, and it talked about like already doing that kind of, you know, not on purpose, but they're doing it. Is the same thing. What was that episode we talked about where when you're in the government, you just kind of make stuff up, like or your your science hypothesizer, hypothesizer. Yeah, it just makes stuff up. You can just say stuff, and this is exactly what it was. He was just theorizing. But we could, I thought, we can control clouds. Yeah, we if we could, because imagine the damage you could do if you could form a tornado yeah, yeah, or even even just like the edge you could give yourself if, in combat, you could just make it rain over where your enemy is like, and then you can see clearly and it's not raining, but for them, they're in like this trreential downport. You have an edge, and so I think that was why wouldn't you just tornado him? Why are you trying to make war more difficult, like you're gonna wear your new hand to hand combat, but some of them are wet. We're talking about well, no, you're enemy slippery now. Hello, they're stuck in the mud down there. Why don't you just Hurricane Um? You know I'm talking about like strike up a lightning, dude, like tsunami your enemy? Why did you go with what if it what if they were just you're going to be slippery now that's what I'm sorry. I'm sorry, cap he's so slipper. Sorry, it's it's sprinkling out here. Sorry, Captain, I just don't perform my best on rainy days. That's what the paper was saying. The paper wasn't saying we'RE gonna hurricane people out and more. They were saying we're gonna make it a little more cloudy, we're gonna make it rain, we're gonna control some stuff to make their, the enemy's, experience a little bit more difficult, to give us a tactical edge. That's what, yeah, they were like. They weren't like, yeah, we're gonna make a tornado. Happens. Scientists just making stupid ideas. Make them good, you know, like they're just come with a stupid idea, with a stupid idea. You know there's a so they released this paper and that's exactly what everyone said. That's stupid. Uh, it's not gonna work, except for some people. Uh, some people read that and they said this explains everything good and so, uh, this is where Kim trails came from. Uh, the conspiracy of Kem trails came from this paper. A bunch of people read that and they're like, Oh, did you know my pilot? Because I want, because I want to be a Kim trail guy. I got an email from a guy at Kem trails dot com and I was like that seems like a good career path because, like, for that theory to exist, there's pilots out there. Yeah, that's their job. Um, yeah, if you don't know, I'm surprised. But basically the idea is there's a conspiracy theory that every time you look up in the sky and there's a plane flying over and it's leading that exhaust plume behind it, that there's chemicals in that that are making you dumb. Um, that's and the government's paying for it. And if you didn't notice, it's doing it's Um. Yeah, and so this theory was like, oh, that's that's like the slow leak of them saying they're doing this. Um. And so as that theory erupted, the people who believed in it were looking for solutions and they found Bill Holm, Reich great and his cloudbusters. And so these people started building their cloudbusters like the same specs that he talked about, which was hard to do because all the books were on fire in the US. Yeah, yeah, Material Um. And so people started building these cloudbusters around their homes and they were like the chem trails they fly over, but then like over our house, it's just clear skies. There's no chem trails over our house, very clear circle. It's just circling their house. Yeah, they don't come here, they don't. Yeah, they tryum circling, but the Kim field so it had been a long time. They had dug up Wilhelm Reich's works and they started building these cloud busters again. Um, and a lot of people started using them. I say a lot of people, but like a lot of conspiracy theorists started using them. Well, they would build them and they would just leave them on their deck or something and pointed at the sky and can you find a picture of a cloudbuster? Yeah, give me a minute. It looks a lot like a David Busters. They actually are David Busters. There a front. I'm Dave. Here are my busters, here are my busters. Um, yeah, they look pretty. I mean like if it's on your WHO's cloud buster you're looking at? Okay, because I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure there's some D I y ones. Well, the majority of them are d I y cloud busters. Um, so this is like your typical cloudbuster. That a D I Y or. I think someone sending out instructions. Here's how to make one. Yeah, this is the tip pickle cloudbuster. It's a copper pipe sticking out of this box that has all your metal and stuff inside of it. is so dumb and it's just open at the top and it's busting your clouds and you can look. Look how the person takes the picture to look at the shadow right. This is a person who does the whole like thing. But apparently some people also have built some pretty insane cloudbusters like this one. This is the same picture, Jim. Sorry, no way, that's not a cloudbuster. For the audio listener, it looks like a it looks. Did you ever see the show? Oh Man, what was that show called? Where they're junkyard wars? Is a show? Ye, Yep, it looks like a junkyard wars, like military cannon. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, it looks rough. It's huge, though. This thing's gotta be like ten feet tall. And then the it's like at an angle, like it looks like a Turret Y. Yeah, it looks like it's designed to be pointed. Like you see a cloud in this guy and you turned the wheel. Let me turn my codbuster up at that. Come trip, you know, like uh so, anyways, so this has been going on for a minute then. Yeah, that was in the nineties, Um, and so for about a decade, a couple, a little over a decade, decade and maybe two decades, this has been going on where people have been building their cloudbusters until something pretty significant came out recently actually, Um, and that was five Um. Hate that. Yeah, I don't know if you remember when five g came out, but conspiracy theorists are freaked out about it. Um. They thought that it was covid yeah, they thought that it was killing all of us and making a dumber, just like the chump trails, and making a sick and all this stuff. Um. And around this time was when it's always interesting to me that the dumbest people are worried about how dumb people are, you know, like you're making you dumber, and you're like, do you hear the words you're saying? You're an idiot, like you're the government did this. I'm worried that you standing too close to your cloud buster has made you dumber. Um. So they this led to the adaptation of Oregon pucks, Um Pucks, pucks, and so what these people figured out was they could take some like metal shavings and a bunch of organic resin and layer them and squished them down in like a press and then keep doing that over and over again, get like a hundred layers and then put that into like a cupcake Pan, Um, and bake them and then it would bake into this, literally like a hockey pucks, ape of these Oregon and then just leave it on your dashboard in your car, put in your shoe this. Uh, these people are known as Oregon Gifters, and so what they do is they cover their own home with them. They've got them all over their home, they got them in their cars, they carry we have the Amazon one back there, just the echo is a or gone puck. It actually looks kind of like one. Um, that's a conspiracy theory. and Oh, shoot, are all those people gonna find this episode? Yeah, and then they're gonna be like all the because they think they're so smart, and they'll comment like three am idiots. Yeah, it'll be great. I'm very looking forward to it, um, but anyways, I can't. I'm gonna Kim Trail Your House. Dude. I want to license, dude, I want to be that's gonna be how we reply to all of those Kim till your house. You know, there's only six people in the world left that do the plane writing stuff in the world time, full time, anyway, time. That's crazy. I don't know if there's part time people, but people in the world I was looking it up. I was like, well, how much you know? Could I become one of those pilots? You gotta be really good. Yeah, that sounds hard, but I do want to write Kim trail about someone's house. You've been Kim trail. That's so many letters, but you write out Kim trail like there's no someone will be like there's no denying it. Yeah, I saw Kim trail about my house. I know because they wrote Kim trail with the Kim trail. So what these organ gifters do is they, and I kid you not, they just go around their town and they just throw the puck's places, and so they're like drive in the big or they're just around town talking about town is safe behind a bench. Yeah, that's the idea, and they're creating their organ field around their town. Um, and people will throw them in the ocean. Like the restaurants, right, and they're sitting there with a secret knowledge that they've saved the town, right, and they get some bad service and there's like these ungrateful yeah, they don't know how many pucks I have put in this restaurant. They don't know the links that I've or gone to protect this down. So now they figured out how to do them in pucks. That's yes, they started making them in pucks. What do they think about five g? How do they think that's involved? That's a little irrational. UH, because Wilhelm his point was that the these Oregon things, they're conductors, and so it's pulling the energy in and then it pulls it into your body, which you can then release. And so the logic here is if there is some sort of negative electro magnetic field, that's what least by these five g towers, then your pucks are attracting it. Um, it's not repulsive, it's attracting Um. But in their heads it's like a force field and it's protecting them from and so they'll throw them specifically at the tower, like cell phone towers. Like they'll throw them like, honestly, after after this, like let's go out to that cell tower, Um, what is that thirty nine big one, and let's just go look. I bet we might find it some pucks just around the fence. I bet we will. Let's try it. Let's just try it. If if you got a cell tower in your house, go check for pucks and post them. Tag Us if you find any, because I bet there are some. I think. I think the better place you can find it. You might find it in your hometown. I think those are the places where you're pretty much guaranteed to find let's play into this prejudice. Why do you think that? Oh, because those are the people who believe this. There was that was fun. That was fun to see you come after my small a town like that. Yeah, yeah, do you disagree? No, I don't say it out loud. I don't go around and be like I got any organ books. Sul Listen to the podcast where I call you an idiot. Uh, so, um. And they've there's people who have like started making them look different, like pyramids and like putting like, uh, the top of it. The pyramids just like clear resident and they'll put like a dragon in there, crystal and like. So it looks pretty and you put it on your desk and you know it's like an item. Um, but it's it's at all the organ. Yeah, it's keeping all the it's. Well, it's it's getting the organ gone. That's what they think. That's the idea. You gotta get the Organ Out, and that's what these do. Um, anyways. So here's what's interesting about this. Um, they're a hard person, right. The US still thinks that this stuff is garbage. Um, and they've they burn every book that comes out. The government, the FDA, gets a book off the shelf. I'm in it. Every time a new Oregon book comes out. They see the book, they go they throw it in. They got a pizza oven in the office that they throw it by fire pizza oven. Part of the way. Didn't even look just someone's like, AH, my Supreme Dude, just look next time free throw. I had a pizza in there. At the third pizza this week, you threw a bad book on. Yeah, now you gotta, you gotta Literature Pizza. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of parks like add free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking US out anyways. So the U S still has a policy against this right, Um, and there are some Um, like universities in the US that have looked at it, um, but very few outside the US. On the other hand, there are a lot of pretty notable institutions that have done some research into this Oregon stuff. Um. And Uh, let's take a look at it. So first first, prager university. It's a good joke, Alex. why are you write that down and leave that in? That's a good Um, okay. So Uh, also a great joke. Don't write it down, Alexeieve that one. Okay. So Um. Uh. They've done experiments with the three forms, the cloudbusters, the accumulator box and the PUCKX. Um. We'll start from WHO has again, prayer you. Some institutions all over the world, major institutions. Yeah, all over the world have done uh these can name any of them? Respectable institutions where that Wendy's has done some Wendy's has done some research um on these things. So we'll start with the cloudbusters. Um. Uh. The research on these has come back very inconclusive because, uh, sometimes when you point these cloudbusters at the sky, clouds will dissipate, sometimes they won't. Sometimes when you point nothing at the sky, clouds will dissipate, sometimes they won't. And so yeah, so the scientists are like, we can't say for sure that these have any effect on the clouds, but the pretty that is the scientific answer. They're pretty confident, though, that they have no effect. Uh Yeah, so the clibusters. I appreciate science for being like. I mean, we can't say for sure. No, yeah, but it's pretty clear that doesn't. The pucks. This is an interesting one. Um. Uh, and I actually watched Um. This isn't a common experiment that they'll do. Um, and a lot of the gifters will do this experiment to like prove that they work. Um. Uh. So what happens is, apparently if you have these pucks in your home, then you get stillag tights in your freezer of ICICLES, but they're not icicles going down, they're going up. Those are slag Mites. Oh, I got backwards. Okay, stlag Mites, Um, but, as I just did the fantastic caverns tour. So that's why? I know it was a time. I really like that whole family. Fantastic caverns really is fantastic. It's like legitimately, it's prettimately. I thought I bought a Hoodie. Did you really? Yeah, I thought it'd be really funny to have a fantastic caverns already. I'll wear it next time. I love that. So in a cave staag my forms with a stag tight drips on it because above it, and then it forms a column eventually, Um. And so with ICICLES, the same sort of concept can happen. When nicicle trips enough, it forms US still like my icycle. Eventually they form on iced column. But what's strange is in these freezers it's there's no icicle above, they're just it's just ice climbing upwards Um, which is very hot. And so some experiments have been done to try to understand what's causing this. Okay, it only happens in people's pombs, puck puck palaces for the welcome to her. So what they did is they got some of these pucks and they got some regular old hockey pucks. Um, I think. What do they think? That the water was psychologic like we're gonna do a placebo effect on the on the ice. I think. I think vice news actually did this as well. Um, and so, uh, oh. So, like, yeah, you were talking about like reals. So they got sometl they were like Act Institute. No, uh. So the they got a cup of water and, uh, they put a puck on top of the water and they put it in the freezer. They got a cup of water and they put a hockey puck on it and put it in the freezer, and then they different freezer just wat normal water. Sure, Um. And so all these were in separate freezers, right. Uh. What's interesting is the water that was stuck a loan in the freezer. Uh, just blocks of ice, the water with the hockey puck on it, Um, block of ice, the water with the the Puck puck on it, the Oregon puck block of ice at the top, but like a pillar of ice in the middle, and the rest of it was normal water, which is very odd. And so they continue this experiment and it would repeat. So then they started to try different positionings of the pucks. And if you put a if you put the puck above it, what's strange that would happen is you would get a spiral Um icicle in the cup of water up to that little puck of water at the top Um. But you could repeat a similar effect with the hockey puck. I messed this at the hockey puck. When it was stamped on top did get the block of ice with the pillar, but when it was on top of you didn't get the spiral. You couldn't get the spiral with the hockey puck. So it was very strange. Okay, the conclusion that the scientists came to is there is some sort of electromagnetic field manipulation happening from these, but the idea that there's a physiological effect because of that is at best circumstantial. Um. But there is some sort of field manipulation happening in some small range from these organ pucks which they're pumped full of metal Um. So most likely there's some kind of magnetism in there that would affect the world around it. So that's the idea there. The third one, and this is arguably the most interesting, is the accumulator, the Sauna Um. What they did was pretty simple. They built a sauna, a normal one, and then they built an accumulator sauna and they shoved, shoved people in there, no volunteers, and then they took about. They said WHO's strikes? Seven volunteers and one in volunteer, and they put him in there. They said, we'll let you out in two years. You guys gotta Make Your Own Oxygen. So that was always sided. And what happened? So the people, the people who are in the regular one, like just almost Sanna one, spirals, they turned into tornadoes. What happened to? Uh? What happened to Keith? Yeah, Keith Got Tornado Erica. Yeah, some scientists turned him into Tornado. I Hate Tornado. So here's what's strange. So the people in the normal SUNA, um, they had a negative experience. Um for all of them. They covered them in like heart rate monitors, brain scan monitors, like blood pressure sleeves. They were reading that. They didn't like it. Yeah, and all these people, and they gave testimonies too, but they it was a negative experience. Their blood pressure rose, they their heart rate rose, uh, their brain right rose, and so they all got stressed. Uh, most of them uh had feelings of Claustrophobia. Most of them felt very lonely. Reported feeling lonely. A lot of them. Uh, it was just an uncomfortable experience. Right. The people in the other ones, uh, they had an experience where, uh, they had a decline in stress levels, their heart rate lowered, their breathing slowed Um, and they reported that they had a sense of calm. And then they felt a tingling sensation. Um, and a lot of them. Some of them said takling sensations, others said they felt something that they couldn't describe, Um, but it was some kind of sensation. And so again it seems like there is some sort of that whole description. Yeah, what is it? Thursday night at youth camp. I just I was breathing really slowly and I felt my heart beating very when I opened my eyes, there she was and I felt like God was telling me that's the one. That's Summerton man's granddaughter. Go to her, go to her, and so I went to it and I asked for her DNA. So what were you saying? We need to line the walls of our office in metal and organic between. Here's the thing, uh, there's some evidence that these are manipulating electronic fields around them. How widely is unclear, and if that's having any real physiological effect on people is most likely circumstantial. Um. But everybody who was in that accumulator did physiologically distress. Their breathing slow, their heart rate slowed and they all reported feeling calm, where the people in the same size room that was not packed with that stuff in the wall got's more stressed, very hot. Um. Okay. But all the at this point, all the research is still technically inconclusive. Um, which brings me to a good pivot point to talk about the Oregon Warriors. Um. Okay, uh man, I don't like whatever. So there's this Uh. It's been described as a cult. Um. There's a group of people who believe that God has chosen them to bring Oregon into the world to save us all, Um, from the apocalypse. Um, and it's the Oregon that will help us survive the apocalypse, Um, which is, you know, one of my biggest years is one of these cults. Is Right. It's like one of my biggest fears, and that will all have to be begging them for help. Give me your other God, you made fun of me that podcast. YOU LISTEN TO OUR PODCAST? Never Mind, I think die happy knowing that people in the real world listen to our podcast, just so you know. Listener. No, what are you trying to say when you're stop me out, because Tim said you're taking this. No one in real life listens to our what I said? You asked me. You said, are you surprised how many people asked killing questions in your instagram post? And I said no, because my real friends don't care about me. You heard it there, folks, you're not as real friends. Keep digging, Dude said. No, keep digging the people I really go. They don't care about me. You didn't ask me a question in my instagram story. My wife didn't ask me a question in my instagram story, my dad didn't ask me. No one asked me, because you know the questions I've got. Yeah, those hit my inbox. Are you okay? Yeah, I'm digging back. Grazy, it seems like you're doing mentally fine right now. We didn't cut that out. Don't cut it. You cut it out. We can't have them. He didn't touch the pen, Dag Alex, cut it out. CUT It out. I'M gonna go back to post. I'M gonna no one's gonna hear it. I'M gonna cut it out. It's fine. Okay, you remember too. You're right. So you're Goden warriors. Um, they're like a cult where they it started by this woman named Sherry shriner. First of all, anybody who had introduced himself, I'm Sherry Shriner, I'd be like yeah, no, I'm not really interested in learning anything from my circus clown, so I'm gonna go um and as far as I can tell, this is like an Internet, only called like everyone. They organized on facebook and then she started like a radio show. She started like a radio show. It was a podcast, but she called her radio show. Um, we're a radio show. Yeah, we're a radio show. And she was on Patriot and I don't know, I checked today. She hasn't posted her she hasn't posted anything since Um and so I don't think it's active. But right now they only have five patrons. She only has five patrons. I've got a feeling that at one point it was because she has thirty thousand youtube subscribers. Um and, uh, yeah, her video views were like in the hundreds of thousands, but she hasn't posted anything since seventeen. Well, uh, so she ascended pretty crazy, just sorr spiraling up into the sky. So a little while before that, she came forward claiming that she had a vision from God that she was the granddaughter of King David. Yes, wait, she's been looking for her. Did you see me? An email? Emails the actor. So she came forward and doesn't twelve. What do you mean she came forward? Do you mean she just posted this on she came forward to she said God gave me. Well, she here's the thing. If you go to a website, she says that the meat. She's been blacklisted from the media. They don't want anyone to know about dude, I called K interview. Um, no, but she says that her whole life she's had these visions and stuff like that, and then eventually God revealed to her that she is the granddaughter of David and she was chosen to bring the Oregon pucks into the world to save us all from, uh, the apocalypse, to save the survivors, the chosen survivors, from the apocalypse. Here's the issue with Sherry Schreiner. Um, as with many cults, Um, when you question them, things go south. Um. And there are a handful of people connected to Sherry Schreiner who are dead now, Um, because they disagreed Um. And Sherry has not get ben convicted in any of this. Um, but people in her circle, like who are in her cult, have and yeah, Um, and it's uh, it's not. It seems a lot like Sherry has driven people to do the killing, but the people who do them seemed to be as. It seems like they don't even recall what happened. Hue Crime podcast. What are we talking about? Well, so she directed these people to kill the people, allegedly. Maybe maybe nothing's been tied back. Scientists say it's not. Just said. It seems like so, but we don't know. So the people who did the killing, they don't recall doing the killing, or they don't recall they either don't recall Tom the killing or they think it was an accident or they're so loyal that they won't say anything. Maybe Um, people within the call who disagreed or just people, people who I think they were all in the cult. I think they were all in the cull Um. Here's what I'll say. It's a wild story and it's very large. Maybe we should just make it apart two because we're, I'm realized, a lot of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe we should just make it a part two, separate part two on that. Yeah, do that. We'll come back to this. I don't like how cool you just got. How you yeah, yeah, let's uh, let's talk about all this murder next time. Next time I'm tilling murder. 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There are people across the entire world who are dropping little pucks of metal and organic material around cities and wilderness. What exactly are these pucks? They call them Orgone, and their history is quite strange. It began in the 1930s with psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich who admired Sigmund Freud. We know exactly where this is going, to a weird place. … Read More

Tamam Shud Case – They Dug Up the Somerton Man

08-23-22

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Hey, man, what's going on? Oh, what are you wanna talking about? Have you ever heard of the to mom shoot? CASE TO MOM shoot? Yeah, case, what about this? Have you ever heard of the Summerton man, the Summerton Man? Yeah, to mom shoot, that's a name. No, Oh, it's the name of the case, the to mom shoot, case to mom shoot. Is it one word? No, it's two words. To Mom, to mom, to mom from shoot. And it was a case. Yeah, post postage from Summerton, the Summerton Mayn the Summerton man. That sounds like it's gonna be an alien thing, but let's do it. Gosh, I wish it's not. Man, this has nothing to do with actually, you know what, there could be summarians. If I wanted there to be, I could make it happen. That's exactly how all the stories worked. If you want it, you can make you want it, you get that place. Yes, so let's get into it. Yeah, let's start from the beginning of the story. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out who this guy is so I can marry his actual grange. I think this guy did it. Okay, this guy didn't. I think this guy did it. A pretty mobster thing. To leave with a dead body, and so he started digging and do some research, literally figuratively. Okay, well, to mom, should I look further into this things I learned last night. Let's start in the middle. Let's start in the middle and see where we end up. Okay. So the manager of one of the railroad stations in Adelaide called the police that they found a briefcase. Thank you for going with that bit. That was really good, but you gave away a little bit too much there. There's a briefcase. There is a briefcase. We'll get to that. We'll make it okay. Correct. On December first nineteen, at Summerton Park Beach, which is a beach in Adelaide, Australia. Um, someone, I don't know why I'm laughing at this, someone found a dead guy. Wow, it was yeah, I mean, he's dead either way, but that doesn't make it fine. We mean, I don't why are you giggling? Well, because I was gonna in my head, in my God, he died, like what are you freaking? Well, in my head what I was gonna do was what I was gonna do was ill be like on the beach. They found this and I was going to throw the picture of him like clearly, like in it, like on like a bed, like a dead table. A second, hold on a second. This is a well dressed man, he is. I think I saw an article about this. Really, I didn't read the article. Interesting, I never knew. I just get the picture. This is get that our first screen. There guys dead. Yeah. Well, the reason I laughed at because I was gonna throw this on stage or on screen and like clearly, like on the table. He's clearly on the table at the police station. Okay, and so that's why I was laughing because I was like they didn't find out on the beach. Dude, people who listen to this already think you're a bad person, like you don't going to try to work your way out of it. Okay, great, okay, so that guy was dead. So there's a couple of horseback und suit, like not a suit, yeah, yeah, yeah, but a button up shirt in a tie. Yeah. So's on the beach. There's a lot of peculiarities about this. The people that found finally figured it out horseback riding and then they're they're just trotting along the beach and they see this guy laying up against some rocks on the beach, and so they went over and they're like, Oh, this guy fell asleep on the beach and he's wearing a suit. That's a little strange. And so they went over, they started shaking his legs a little bit to try to wake him up and they're like, oh, he's not gonna wake up. So then they called the police and they were like, we just found down here where just riding our horses. So, are you laughing? No, that was the horse, the horse neighing. Are you laughing? So they called the police and they're like, Hey, there's a guy down here who's very well dressed. Yes, the police come. I think we found Joseph a bank and I don't like the way he looks. Is that which is why you don't like the way? If it was, you'd like the way it was. True anyways. Um, so the police got there at the beginning their investigation, uh, and what they found was interesting. This is in Australia, this is December. One. Yeah, what do they find when they show up? Well, one, Um, he had very little on him for clothes. Well, yeah, so he had the very little items, personal items. He didn't have a wallet, he didn't have any. I D he had a lit cigarette. That I mean it wasn't let anymore. It burnt out, burnt out cigarettes. Did they estimate how long they thought he had been there? Yeah, they think he died overnight at this point. Um and so, uh, and then a week old. No, it wasn't like he'd been to can um so. Burnt out cigarette. Uh, I can't reme if it was a lighter, our matches, something to light the cigarette with. Firework. Gotta light it quick, click before did she? You're using a very. You gotta light the firework. He's got a lighter to light that dad GUMMIC. Was it so hard? They should really make a way to do the straight to the cigarette. Okay, you're trying to light it with a punk, with a Punk, uh. So. Uh. What's strange is, other than that, he has no personal effects except for I folded up piece of paper and that piece of paper has printed on it, not written, printed, the phrase to mom shoot, and no one knows what that means. T A N A N S H U D shoot. Okay, to mom shoot. Um. The police have no idea what that means. Um. Another peculiar thing is, uh, he's wearing this full suit, but nothing has a tag on it. All the tags have been cut out and so like there's evidence that there was tax. Okay, somebody got rid of them, whether it was this manner somebody else. Okay, and there's no clear and that's suspicious. Yeah, somebody. Dude, I don't like having tags in my shirts. That's fair, but do you have tags cut out of literally all the clothes that you're wearing? I don't have tags on my car. That's how much I don't like them. I hate tags. ITCHY, I won't put it. Yeah, get those tags off my license plate. So, uh, no tags any of US goes. Not even his tie, all the tags cut off. So we'll put that in the might be suspicious. If you're trying to make a suspicious column, that's fair. I mean him being dead on the beach suspicious. Right, typed just two words on the paper, paper, yeah, might be suspicious. This was before the home printers computer suspicious. Getting something printed wasn't easy. Um Uh. So then they started going around and asking locals that lived along this area if they saw anything weird last night. Okay, and so they brought a lot of the locals to bye bye to the police. Just don't your brain. Got A lot of locals to the police station to see if they could get an I d look at the body. Yeah, they're like a line of people who were like, I want to see that body. Police. You know this guy, angry dude in his bathrobe with a cup of coffees, like can't you read? The signy points no bodies allowed. So they call up a bunch of the locals and they come in to look at the body and no one knows who he is. But some people are like, Oh, I did see that guy last night. He was walking along the road next to the beach Um and he just seemed odd, Um and so like like he was doing. I was looking at his clothes. I was like he didn't have any tags clothes, and they're like how do you know that? For AB outside? Oh that my power. I can sense tag. Yeah, Hey, how did you make that shirt if you didn't craft like get a tag to craft it out? I started with the TAG. So Um they they're like yeah, we saw him walking down the street in that suit and whatever, and we're like, oh, that's peculiar that this dude's like walking along this beach road in a suit, like most people down here are going to the beach or coming back from the beach. Um, and he's wearing a full suit. So it's a weird place for him to be walking around, unless he was going to the beach, which not dressed for it. Was He wearing shoes? I've never heard a question asked. I don't know. I assume I've never heard that question asked. Nobody in any any of it. If he's wearing a full suit, I didn't know if he was down there bare foot at the beach. Yeah, there was no description of what wards on his feet, so I assume he's wearing shoes his feet. But one of the witnesses was like, yeah, we saw him just walking along the beach and we're like, oh, that's kind of odd. Um. And then they were like at one point he could kind of like lifted his arm up like it was bothering him and he's like trying to like stretch it and like pop it into place or something like that. And then they were like and then he put his arm down and he just kind of froze and they're like and he just sat there like blank stare for a long time, like longer than normal amount of time to just stop. And so, like they said, he like stretched a little bit and then he just froze, completely emotionless, completely emotional less, and then he kept walking, like he just he's like his player logged out for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then he just kept going. You had to keep on with the episode. Great, are you logging out? Cool, sweet, excited about that. UH So. Uh. Some other UH locals who witnessed him. They said that they had seen him walking along the beach smoking that cigarette and they thought it was odd because, again, he's wearing a full suit and they're like, what are you doing? I was bretting a bit to me. And so it's fine. So the police, like, I guess, they invited a bunch of people to look at him. Uh, no one knew who he was. They asked for reports. I hate the police in and look at this guy. Hey, will you come look at this guy? What was odd? There's there was no clear signs of how he died, like there wasn't all there was he wounds, bruising, like, no signs of a struggle. Um. And so the police send this guy off to get autop seed and they were just like, well, let's just wait until a missing person's report comes in, because someone nearby probably is going to be like hey, this guy's gone. Um. And that never happened. Uh. And so then they started checking missing person's report around Australia and none that matched this guy's description ever came up. And then they spread it out to every English speech and speaking country. Uh, and no matching missing person's report came up ah for this guy. So then this this started to get a little peculiar. There was no evidence that anybody noticed that this guy was gone. Um. Meanwhile they get this autopsied and the report comes back Um. And what was interesting was there was signs. There's this guy had eaten a really gross sandwich at one point, so there are signs of poisoning. He had a bunch of organs that were that had shut down, Um, and so it was clear signs of poisoning, but there was no poison in its system. And so what had to happened is there are non traceable poisons out there that nefarious people will use because it can't be traced and they like when they interact the body, they have the effect on all your Organsas shut you down. But then there's a chemical reaction that transitions it into just natural chemicals that are in the body. And so when an autopsy is when an autopsy's done. Yeah, it's just not traceable. Yeah, you can't tell what's in there. And so, Um, so this was not this was not the Mike Molloy crew. Um, this was a group. This was someone who had the means and the know how of how to poison someone. It look have no one know what happened. And so now the police are like, okay, well, this is strange. Um, there's no connection to this guy anywhere and he was poisoned, but we have no way of tracing it. And so they they're like this is a big mystery and it's it hit the news, it started cycling throughout Australia and it was kind of like the big story of the day. Uh. And so they enlisted the public's health and what they said is they said, hey, we're looking for a couple of things. We need to know. Does anyone recognize the guy? They put that that picture of him in the paper. Um, does anybody recognize this? It's crazy. We just just put pictures of dead people in newspapers. Yeah, I mean we don't do that anymore. Yeah, I guess that's true. There's I mean it's not. This is a graphic dead guy, though, like he's not dead, but it's like this, like for all intents and purposes he's just I don't know. He's like when your uncle pretends to be dead. That's what he looks like. What he's like. I mean that's what he looks like. Often does your uncle pretend to be dead? Just I don't like looking at this, you know, like when when it all comes out and you're messing with each other and then he's just like you killed me. You know, that's what he looks like. Okay, this is a weird example. You could have said just anybody pretend to be dead, but you went that is like uncle. That's uncle level, you know, not anybody dead. This is uncle. That's uncle dead. Yeah, I like to you to be my uncle, dad, uncle dead, is my wrestler name. So so they enlist the publics help. They said, we need a few things. Do you recognize this guy? Here's a picture this dead guy. Do you recognize them? And then they said we need a few other things. We're pretty sure he's from out of town. Um. So has anybody noticed any misplaced baggage or unaccounted for baggage anywhere? Just anywhere? Um. So there's that, because it's probably his. Yeah. And then third they were like there was a torn scrap of paper that said to mom shoot in his pocket. Does anybody know what that means or what the other half says? Yeah, what it's from? We think it's from a book. Does anybody recognize that phrase from sub buck? Um? So, uh, luckily they got bites on two out of three of those things. Nobody knew who he was by looking at him. So that one, that car got taken off the table. But uh, the one of the UH directors of the railroad station in town called the police and said, hey, we gotta misplaced luggage over here. Yes, I kept waiting to and so the police came and they was that briefcase. It shows that that luggage and they opened it up, but it was the typical thing you expect in the luggage from someone who's taping iphone and toylet trees and stuff like that. What was strange was all the clothes missing tax so put it in the only suspicious if you think a suspicious column. Here's what's here's what else is interesting. Um, so they that they're going on that that they go, yes, this guy's suitcase. Well, here's a couple of here's a couple of pictures of him dead in the suitcase. How did they do it? You know, it's the pictures of him from the paper they cut. They cut him out, snuck him into the briefcase in the travel right now. I like it? No. So, uh, the suitcase or the clothes in the suitcase? What else was interesting about it was, uh, they were made. There was multiple clothing items in here that were made from a specific kind of threading that wasn't available in Australia. It was only available in the United States at the time. So they went and they checked and that was the same kind of thread that the man at the beach was wearing. And so they're like, this is a pretty decent connection. The tigs are cut out the same kind of thread. A missing bag from a guy. We're pretty sure it's from out of town. This guy's American. Yeah, he's case clothes. We don't care anymore. That's how it works. That's how it works. American goes missing in the other countries. They go, yeah, stupid Americans, bubb he got lost in another kind oh yeah, let Um. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh. It's this guy in the MLB who really steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff. And there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. So, but other than that, there wasn't a lot of uh good leads, except for Um, there was a couple uh items in there. The his, one of the ties and like a little canvas bag that had a label on it that said t keen Um and so like. That is a name, probably okay, uh so again. Yeah, I was a detective school and uh that gives me the knowledge to know that he is probably an abbreviated first name. keene might be a last name. You know. Yeah, no, don't worry, I'm here now. We can solve this crime. So they started calling around for a t keen. Um, couldn't find one. Not In Australia, not in Great Britain, not in the United States, not freaking there's no tkeing anywhere. Uh. And so the police kind of concluded that they think t keen was white rabbit. Whoever did this, they left that name in there without yeah, it was a poison somebody, you know make it look like. Well, it's harder to do that now, but yeah, you try to trick the police and get him off your trail a little bit. And that was what they thought the t keen thing was. Um, which t keen? When you see that t keen it's it feels like, did you ever play crash bandicoot? We were talking about this in the discord the other day. What where'd that come from? Have you ever played crash bandicoot? Really, I think so, but not enough to be like I played craft bandicoot. T keen sounds like one of like would be the name of one of the characters. And crash bandicoot we're talking about in the disccord made me think of a speaking the discord, this was recommended by daily man, who's recommended a lot of stuff for us. He's yeah, he's hitting a true hero supporter. So Um, but anyways, uh, the other thing that came up from them reaching out to the public was that note and some guy came forward and was like, you're not gonna believe this. I think this guy did it. Okay, this guy did I think this guy did it. You're not gonna believe this. I touched a spaceship and there was where I could describe as a download and I just typed out and just said to mom, shoot over and over and over again. Uh So, so, yeah, so, are you gonna log back in or am I just gonna have to keep powering through right now? Great, just back. Okay, what happened? What happened? I was downloaded. Happened? No, what happened was this guy called the police and he was like, he was like, I met this guy named t keen last night and I killed him. Yeah, I believe this. I killed the guy on the beach. Guy On the beach. He looked familiar and I woke up and I was like a little hungover, right, and then I was just remembering my drunken night and I went, oh no, I think I killed that the guy. Uh No, so he said, in the night of the murder, or whatever happened on the night of the death. Um, he said he he lives right by the beach and so he parked on the street and he left his back window down by mistake. He said he woke up in the morning and somebody had tossed a book in the backseat of his car and he opened up that book and the last page of the book was torn, torn in half, and they took it down to the police station and then lined up with that torn piece to mom shoot what the book was. And that's why I think he did it, because I was like, how did this? I just end up in a random to it in my car and you know, yeah, Um, what was the book? The book want to get away with it. The book was a book called H Ruby Yacht by Omar. Yeah, it does actually, Um, and so yeah, it's a he was a purchase. Honestly, a pretty mobster thing to leave with a dead body. It's just the the riddler the end, it's just that you're you're super villain. Call sign is just what do you call yourself? A bookworm? He's level the ends. He just carries that book he's got like no, he's got differs. Yeah, Dude, and you go home in his bookshelf and that's how that's that's his momentum from killing people. Is like yeah, he pulls it out and he goes AH, yeah, the Hobbit. Yeah, he's like, yeah, I killed t keen and like the end is ripped up. Honestly, we're writing a movie right now. Yeah, that could be pretty that's a pretty good kill. Pretty Cool at movie C I S Um. And so this. When the police saw this, yeah, their conclusion was this guy tell the truth. Their conclusion was the guy committed suicide and that was his suicide note. That was the way of him saying this is the end to mom shoot. Um. Uh. But that that leaves some questions, because he shot up in town with a suitcase full of stuff that he just left at the railroad station. The rail station, the train station. There we go, the train station. Uh, and then he poisoned himself with an untraceable poison. Um. Yeah, well, but that's also the assumption that it was poison. I mean, there's other things that could cause all those organs to fail, like just the autopsy report that I hated. The autopsy. He said, I'm confident this was a poison, but I cannot you know, the guy who did the autops rust him. That's another movie. And autopsy and autopsis corner like autopsis better in autopsis autopsis. HMM. In autopsys, who kills people to get to do the autopsy? What about a guy who doesn't understand the difference between autopsy and optometry? And so he goes to optometry school thinking and he's like, dude, we're spending so much time on the eyeballs. I thought he's closed him like when, what do you Wad to learn about the rest of the body? It spends four years in autometry school, it doesn't figure it out. I was like that idea, oh gosh. So Um, they label it uh a suicide and they kind of closed the book, right. They literally they closed be out, which, by the way, was from uh first or no eleventh century Persia, so it's an old book. Um. So another detective, though, was like, I think we should look a little closer into this, and so he choose. He checked the book to mom, shoot to mom. Should I look further into this? Yes, and so he grabbed the book and he notices that on the back cover. There are indentations. So he traces the indentations on the back cover and there's it's a bunch of letters. It's a string of letters all the way down, like someone had a paper written and labor adding on the back Um. But those letters do the thing where you put the paper over and then you just like do that. That's true detective work, though. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool, and it just says be sure to drink like that, dude. Okay, get away from these advertisements. A book for the first century. Okay, so he traces it, but it doesn't spell out anything. There's they tracted to every known language and they're like this doesn't spell anything. So like this must be letter. Who is this? He's been killing, he's been doing this, uh. It's so like this must be a cipher. And so they started trying to decode they think that the book was used to some kind of code, and so there's something where you're clippingto the pages and okay, and so that's why they had on the back cover. He was going through and then writing down those codes. Sure, and then once they solved it, he tore that page to go do the kill or the hit or whatever it was. What was what else was very peculiar is they flipped the book over. The front cover also had indentations to ask the front cover. The front cover was a phone number, and so they look up this phone number and it belonged to a local woman. Hold on the me. That's what it says in the phone book. They didn't have names in the forties, just woman. You know, writes weren't the same back then. You know, oh my Gosh, oh, Hey, I wanna, I want to show you this. Actually, Hey, I want unrelated, not even like. This is the code that they traced on the on the back cover. Um, and they're like, he crossed stuff out too. Um, so it looks like he was working on it. Like interesting. So, uh, yeah, very strange. Okay, okay, anyways, Um, uh. But yeah, so then that phone number was traced back to a Jessica Thompson who lived in New South Wales, Um, which was where this happened. She lived like five minutes from where this happened. Um, and uh, she was a nurse in the military. Uh, that served in the war. Um, and so this is the World War Two or the emo one. Yeah, I starved in the war. People are just like thank you for your certain wait, were we gonna make the great em war veteran hats? I think we were forgot about that. We got that all right, okay. And so they called her and they said, hey, you know anythink about this? And then she's like no, like your number was in the book, and she was like what book? The phone book? No, I know they do that. Uh Not. So they asked her come down. They're like you want to look at this? You want? Well, she comes on your white gloves. So she comes down to the police station to look at the dead body and what was interesting is the corner gave a report saying that her response was very odd because, remember, she was a nurse military Um World War Two. Yeah, and she's seeing probably much more gruesome dead bodies in this and he said that when she walked in the room, Um, she was fine, like totally like pretty friendly, normal, whatever, and then they pulled back the blanket or whatever to reveal the main's face and she said that her countenance totally changed and it was like she had seen a ghost, Um, and she looked down refused to look at them, and they're like do you know this man and he and she was like no, I do not know this man. And then they're like are you sure that you don't know who this is? She's like no, I I have no idea who that is. I've never seen that. And she's like can can I leave now? And she and they were like insisting, trying to be like do you know? And she's like no, no idea who that is. Um, okay, and they're like all right, they'll see you later. Goodbye. And she goes to mom. Shoot, what did you just say? I said I hope tomorrow is good. Um. So she goes home. She is she connected to the guy with that called in for the book? No, no, well, not. Yeah, I should say. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe she is. Maybe she threw in the back seat. Oh No. So at this point the police are out of ideas. They followed everything that they have, um, and they just said, you know what, we're pretty sure this guy committed suicide. Um, and they buried him in a grave that said the unknown man. Um. But what they did was because they were like, who knows if some more evidence were to come up, and so they embalmed the body, they took a cast of his whole body and kept that at the police station. Filled it. And you want to see something, they filled it, made a statue of him, right, and it put it in the town square. Now it's called the Summerton man and the statues terrified. It looks way scarier. You walk by the uncle dead. You know it's it's it's not great. They did this big cast and I've kept at the police station, and then they about like the cast of that guy. Yeah, just in case some more evidence came forward and they had to. It's huge. That's a big cast to just have the police station where I'm saying, I guess they had the back closet somewhere where they kept all the other dead casts. That's a big thing, okay. Uh. And then, uh, they embombed the body and they buried him in a shallow grave under dry dirt, so that way if they needed to dig him up he was involved, they could dig him up and they couldn't continue the investigation. The police were just like, I'm pretty sure he killed himself, but we don't know for sure. Um, end of story. Can you earn my tumbstone? Put the one man, the unknown man. It's kind of a cool thing to have col pretty cool, Um, and so it became this thing to put the end in some it's Um. So, uh, this became kind of like a folk legend around Australia and then eventually it started to spread outside of Australia and everybody had their theories, from the general's generally accepted theory of suicide to a drunken night that went too far, and he had alcohol poisoning too. We're all living in a second life. His owner locked out, you know, he feed him like a neo pet and then died. The most common theory, though, is that he was a spy, Um, which he checks out. He cut out all of his tags. Um. Why would that? You keep going to that. Why would spies and to do that? So no one could identify them? The tags of whatever, the brand of the shirt you're wearing. Yeah, they tell you what size shirt you wear and they also say Canada, US, whatever like, wherever it was sold, so people could track you at least a little bit. What information do you have on your shirt tag? Don't wash this this way. I don't have a tag. Played The twilight zone over the I don't have a tag. Might be suspicious. That might be suspicious, but then he's got this the book and the code and the coming into town. No one knows who he is. The suspicious death. Um, that lady who was like no, no, I don't know who he is. Yeah, Um, and so the theory is that she was another spy. Oh, she did the killing because they were like enemies, because she did have a military background, Um, in the war. Yeah, and she lived nearby. Uh. So she threw the book in the car, Killed The guy, left the note while she deciphered the code, found her mark, left her phone number on the book. That's what I'm saying. Like, what was the why is she writing out her own phone number? It's a brandy number. She just left the verizon store. Had to remember it. I can't forget that. Now I got to solve this code. And she lived five minutes. Wait, so you think they tapped her because she's a local spy? Yeah, that's that's why it works like Uber where they're just like we gotta Hit, let's find the closest spy. The algorithm identifies WHO's closest. He's a spy. Didn't needed to kill someone or listen to someone kill this guy for six dollars, thirty nine cents, except searge pricing, searche pricing. Um. So another theory, though, was that they were lovers and that's where I was going. Um, and he had traveled to come see her. They had gotten to some sort of disagreements. He's like, I kind of I don't like the way they feel. I made those shirts for you. I started with the tag and I made a shirt and you just ripped the tag right out. You ripped my heart out, Thomas Keene. So let's go get some drinks. Okay, okay, weird. Sorry, suspicious only if you're trying to be suspicious. Shirt. So, uh, it gave to town and he on that book. I don't know if he was trying to write out a love note, but that's what's post poisonous. Right there, Leah Ba Q, See to Tim Sam s God, uh, sign here, sign, signed wed. Hey, are you Thomas? Are you here? Thomas Thomas? Give me that book. Throwing this in someone's car. This isn't ours, that was theirs. We just took that book. I'M gonna lay down on the beach here. Take the cigarette and fire words. So it's potential. I'm two poisoned for this. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, head and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcasts, spotify youtube. You'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight, six six. Thank you so much for being here. So he came to see this girl and she was not interested, so not interested that she killed him, or so not interested that he killed himself. Or the fake phone number? That fake number happens to belong to a spy who then killed him. Yeah, you know, yeah, what an unlucky uh so, anyways, so, uh, those are kind of the leading theories. Uh today, though. UH, actually, two days ago, something interesting happened. Um, okay, on July there's a guided by the name of Derek Abbott Um, who is a professor at the University of the Adelaide Um, who has been obsessed with this for decades. Um, healthy. Uh, let's tell Derek Abbott story for a second. Um. So, Derek Abbott, Um, he's dead. Here's a picture of me. Uh. So He's a professor and he was like, I think we could solve this, um. And so he started digging and doing some research, literally figuratively. Well, we'll get there figuratively. Literally. Uh so he started doing some research and his thought was if we could identify the family tree, then maybe we could identify who did um and figure out what happened to him, if we know who made the body. Well, Um, he went and he asked the police. He said, Hey, remember when you took a cast of that dead guy like sixty years ago? Could I have it? And they were like okay. Uh so he took it and on the third floor red tape on it. That's so he took it and the cast inside the cast. Lo and behold, some hairs had stuck to the cast. And so he took it inside. Some DNA research on it. Um, that was mostly threw it into ancestry dot com. Yeah, it was mostly inconclusive. But in doing that, uh, he had a couple of ideas, because we had the identity of that woman who had the phone number, and so he was able to have find out that that woman with the phone number, Um, was pregnant at the time. Oh and and she was dating a guy that she later married. Um. But it was not his child, that child that was born. His name was Robin, and a significant detail about Robin is robin grew up to become a professional ballet dancer. Something that was very strange about the body on the beach was that he had extremely muscular calves. People often remarked. This is something that's very interesting about it, was that he died in his ankles just I mean it looked like he'd spent his whole wife on his toes. You know. Witness, a witness said I saw him just bounding down the street. Should hold on, I think move it to suspicious mostly, but also we were involved right the way you just that is a ballet move right. I don't know. I think that's a ballet thing. Um. So what they said was, uh, they often remarked the size of his calves, how muscular. People were just talking about his calves. Yeah, a lot of people saw this on my tombstone. Be Unknown Man. Remarkable calves. I know that we filmed this show there was a table and you can't see my calves, but I'm gonna be real with you. They're great. I was a baseball catcher growing up. My legs are awesome. He also was described as having petite feet. That you're telling me you didn't bring that up earlier. When I said Hey, well, I wanted the big reveal, was like hey, it's pretty his feet were petite, petite. So, uh UH. Everybody, especially the police, everybody was talking about everybody especially. Did you see the calves on that cast? And we got back there look at her calf cast. So the police, we're like, we're pretty sure this guy was a ballet. I've been working on my calves lately and every once in a while I sneak back to that room, opened up that cast and put my calf in there to see if it's like sized up or not. You know, that's calf goals. So the police are like, this guy's a ballet. Answer. That was the conclusion that they made. But all the way back then, all the way back then, the police were like, this guy's a ballet. Answer. And so when Abbott traced that girl who was pregnant and my son became grew up to become a professional ballet dancer. Abbott was like, well, that's pretty significant. So he went to track down that woman, but she had since died. So she went to track down Robin, but he had also since died. But Luckily, Um, he was a professional ballet answer so a lot of people knew about him. So he followed around his paper train. Sure, uh, and he found a woman that the guy had danced with a lot Um, that he ended up in a relationship with and it danced a little bit together. Danced with a lot, you know. You you dance enough with a with a Gal, and then all of a sudden you've got two kids in a house payment, you know, and it started with a little dance, started with just a little ballet. That's why those eighth grade dances, they're very like the chaperones, like yeah, I think, yeah, exactly. You want to have a car pay with them. So he said that to me, made three dance. You WANTA have a car pay with her. Really made me think through some things. You know, how much is a car payment? Well, I don't know how much, and at that time sounds like whoa every month. No Way. Yeah, yeah, definitely not. Um. So, uh. They had been dancing together for a while, but they were young and they were just coming up, so they did not have a lot money yet and they had a child who they gave up for adopting. It dancing the children. So they had this this child and they gave her up for adoption. Um and UH. That girl ended up going and tracking down her mom and, when she was an adult, tracked down her mom, connected with her mom and they began doing ballet together. Um Abbott tracked down that that woman, the mom of the woman who had the relationship with Robin before Robin died. Um Abbot tracks her down and also started doing ballet with her. You gotta get you gotta established report like H and she was like you have great calfs, thank you, thank you. Would you with them? Would you like to dance? Uh So, uh. But the MOM wanted nothing to do with him. Um, she was like very aggressive trying to get him to leave. But the daughter, I think her name was Rachel, if I remember right. Um, she was like, I think we should hear him out, and so she went behind her mom's back and was like hey, let's meet up let's go grab dinner and we can talk through this, because she had never heard of any of this. So Derek tells her about the whole case and basically it's like yeah, basically, Derek is like, I think this guy might be your grandfather. If we can put you in the cast and see if your calves match up, we need to match your cat. You are the missing link. And so they have this dinner and then he kind of doesn't reveal where. He's like, I think it's you, um or I think it's your Grandpa, uh. And she's like okay, well, what do you need for? I mean he's like I need your DNA. Uh. And so she agrees and he takes some of her hair um in the middle of the restaurant. Thank you. So you can't cut her hair here. I'm plucking you only these. Dude, need to plug m you can pull. Okay, sorry, I logged out there. So, uh, here's the here's the best part of the Abbot Story. They were not related to DNA. showed if they weren't even quotes. The best part of the Abbot story is the next day he proposed her and think I'm married and they had kids. Is that Real, shut up, that's real. You can't dance with anybody. No Way. One dinner together, she says Yes to a DNA test and he's like. He's like, well, you said Yes to one question. I have another. No, yeah, yeah, they got married. So basically, now let's look at this for a different perspectives, though. All right, let's look at this from her mom's perspective. He shows up and he's like, Hey, I'm trying to track down who I think might be Robbin's Dad, and she goes no, I want nothing to do with you, and he's like, I want to marry your daughter. I just picture her coming home after that dinner. She's like, Hey, I got dinner with that Derek Guy. He asked for my d N A and she's like and also, my hand is marriage. He asked her a hair from my head and my hand in marriage. That's something. I'm married and they kind of they bonded over the trying to track down her dead GRANDPA every morning, every night before his kids go to bed, he goes, let me tell you about your great grandfather, allegedly. Well, they actually I watched the documentary for all three of them. Ballet Dancers, calves were huge. Dude. Your kid has adult calves. A scrawny little kid with massive calves, dude, I mean huge calves. Right now, they wobble. It's weird. Feet are so petite, right. Can't even hold him up right to that guy. That's bonkers. That's that's also a breach of boundaries with his with his whole life, right. You can't marry into the story you're trying to figure out. So, uh, yeah, I watched the documentary. They have this playroom with the kids. The kids are coloring in the playroom, right, and they point over to this wall and there's this painting and they're like that's our grandma and they talk about it a little bit and then they turned up point the other wall and they're like that's the man on the beach. He might be our GRANDPA, and it's a painting of like what they think he looked like a live Oh, I thought it was the picture. It's the dead uncle picture. That might be our grand that might be our GRANDPA. They put a stocking out from a Christmas you know. They photoshopp him in at all the fan pictures because she's adopted. She's really not even like yeah, yeah, yeah, so did they? Are they genetically connected or no? Uh So, as of two days ago he came forward to say I'm married her and I'm convinced. We need to back this story up a little bit. You think? Do you think I would leave my wife and two kids to marry this girl if I wasn't sure? Hold on this. So he here's here's an important part of the story. Um, this happened like a decade ago. Okay, okay, and he got her hair and they've been testing it, but it's been inconclusive and they've been testing it. Take that and she's like, honey, I'm running out of hair. She looks like the doll from rugrats. Why does your head look like that? My husband's doing research, husband's trying to find my dead GRANDPA and all the kids go. I'll let you so. Uh So, he for about a decade has been trying to get the Australian government to dig up the body because he wanted because these have been inconclusive, the DNA tests. We could get a tooth. If we could get a tooth or something, we could get really good DNA for sure. So you've been trying and trying, but the Australian government is like, Bro you're a weird man. We're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. And then a new attorney general steps in. My first action was, attorney general, do you have that man dig up all the Ted there's still alive guys, like he's just crazy. He's like dig them all up, get him out of the ground right, put them all out. And this guy is like, this guy is crazy, but this is a good opportunity for me. Let me get my hands on that dead guy. That specific uh. So this attorney general was like yeah, that sounds like a great call, and so they took up the body, but they were like the police have to handle this, and so they sent it to the corner to do some DNA testing. This was in twenty nineteen. At the end of Twenty nineteen, which, as you remember, happened, sidelined everything for a little while. UH, they can't do DNA to you? I don't know. They sidelined the project for a little bit, but they just went back to it. Um, and the police are still working on it. But Um, I guess two days ago, I guess Derek Abbott has not stopped working on it. He doesn't have the body, so I don't know what he's getting. I guess. Um. And so he's come forward to the Australian CNN, Um, and he's said that he's identified the Summerton man as a Carl Charles Webb Um, who was an electrical engineer and an instrument maker born in Melbourne in nineteen o five, Um. And he says he's still researching his connection to everything and what happened to him, but he's confident that that's who that is. And so CNN went to the police and we're like can you know? Yeah, they were like, well, we can't comment on this at this point in our investigation. So Abbott is pretty confident of who it is, which sure would be no relation to his wife. Well, maybe, maybe, I guess maybe, Um, it's not. I think it's not. Maybe I shouldn't say he want to be. He's like, yeah, I'm trying to figure out who this guy is so I can marry his actual grade. I'm looking for his granddaugh I've been he's got really tiny caps and he's like he's like, I don't want to carry that gene though. Um. So he's confident that is this Carl Charles Webb, Um, but there's not uh the police haven't uh confirmed to that and he hasn't identified like the storyline yet. He's just come forward to say I've got I've got an I d okay. So, and that was two days ago. So this is a developing story. Um, so keep your TVs tuned to tilling dot TV. Uh, don't do that, because we're going to report it to you first, all of your capitlated news. So, yeah, that's uh, that's a summer to man. It's a it's an unsolved mystery. We still don't know. Um, the documentaries are weird to go. I'm going to dedicate my life to this. I mean, if you're derek the you're looking for your wife. I just know that that man's granddaughter is my soul mate. There's a scene in the documentary where they will walking along the beach together and they like sat down on a rock together and like right there, that's where he died. And then that's real. Yeah, and then he was like, he was like it's like, you know, if it weren't for that, we never would have if they were grand possible murder. Yeah, that's what I used to say whatever. I used to meet girls at funerals. Do you know that? I used to pick them up at funerals, you know, just go hang out. Be Like Sad, isn't it? Yeah, but it wasn't for that, we wouldn't be meeting right now. You know, it was a great pickup line. No, no, do you know who that guy's granddaughter? You know that guy's granddaughter? The idea of BIOS have any words? Yeah, which you use grand so, anyway, that's the summer to man crazy story. Um, no real conclusion. uh, but maybe soon. Maybe soon we'll know. I personally so you. You would say that this is the to mom shoot of the episode. Yeah, I want to say my theory, though. I personally I think that he probably off things. 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On December 1, 1948, a body turned up on the beach in Adelaide, Australia. After nearly 72 years, no one has even come close to solving this case. Yet, when it comes to who the man was, mysteries abound. Despite investigation after investigation, no confirmation was ever found. What was found, however, was numerous strange details. Yet, somehow, the story … Read More

The Dutch East India Company – The World’s First Evil Corporation

08-16-22

Episode Transcription

Made by robots for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey, man, have you ever heard of spices? Like? Yeah, like spices. What? What is? What is that? You should bring that from a whole some nundagg. I'm allergic to that. Why did you? Why do you have what is? Because that's what we're talking about today, is spices rounding nut meg. We're talking about NUTMEG. If you're listening, I just blue nutmeg all over chair and poured a bunch in my hand and I just blew like this dust. I think there's my eye. Jeez. Do you know what's gross is every pastor's House I've gone to they got a whole shelf of spices. Who Do we kill for this? What if? And hear me out? Instead of more, we tried more, but they got to start this military basebook's got a military group in my backyard, though I love them. Things I learned last night. Spices as a whole. No, are we going to talk about the girls? No, have you ever heard of u? Um, is there a nutmeg candle? Because that doesn't smell bad. Yeah, maybe we should just blow it in the office every time we walk in. Yeah, it's a good luck thing. If we don't do it, we die. Every day. It becomes a thing where we sprinkle nutmeg over the door, over the art of our door. Someone comes in and we go, oh no, you didn't not make the door. To make the door, dude, okay, get just coming to you without making that door. You know. Hey, that's how are we going? The spices? Okay, have you ever heard of? Um? Have you ever heard of? That's what we're talking about. We said, Hey, Alex, it's gonna if Tim's Tim's been under a lot of stress lately and sometimes when we got on the podcast, it seems like his brain is a little all over the place. And Alex, we told Alex, Hey, if you noticed tim being weird, you know, and I think you're going, okay, let me try to read this, because you're trying to pronounce this. I'm trying to pronounce this. Uh, very night. Oosten dish Campagni. They called the VSC. It's way easier to say that a person or a place or a spice. It's none of that. Uh, it's we call it, we Americans. We call it the Dutch east India Company. Okay, that yes, okay, cool, Um, long story short, Um, a little intro on the Dutch east India Company, or we'll call it voc I think vsc sounds way cooler than that Um, and that's easier to pronounce than the other one. Um It is. Most people would agree, Um, that it's the biggest company that's ever existed in the history of the world. They kindly exist. No, they don't, they they're gone. Um. Uh. They shipped spices so that they have nutmeg over the door. They sold the MEG but they didn't make the door, so they the estimates. Estimates are a little sketch and we can get to that in a little bit. But the estimate, the most well like agreed upon estimate of the value at its peak was seven point nine trillion dollars, like in today's value, adjusted for inflation, which would make it more which would make it more valuable than apple, Amazon, Um and Tesla combined. Uh. And the only two nations that would have a GDP higher than the value of this company would be the U S and China. Every other nation of the world would be worth less than Huh, this company, than this company. They were an Incredi is the Dutch east India. East India, that's what we call it. That's not their name. Their name was that very knees thing that I couldn't say. Did you search this because you listen to the rebuilders podcast? No, did they talk about that in there? Yeah, Mark Uh touches on this, maybe because it honestly came up as a recordation, a video about it came up as a recommendation on Youtube. So maybe they heard it and I don't know if they heard it, but it was it in the podcast or was it in one of his I think it may have been in his reappearing church book that he wrote about how he goes to a spice shop? Oh, yes, I do remember that actually, and I think he mentioned I do remember that this. Yeah, but I don't know about it. Their influence is massive because, honestly, when did they exist? They don't exist anymore. Six three, okay, Um, a Vampi time, a pretty Vampi time to be a lie. I just imagine. Yeah, I imagine like you know, vampire season, and that's whenever vampire things or since vampire season. That's what it sounds like. So they were established in sixty're established in sixteen. So the Dutch east India Company, company equals is the same as V O C v Oct way of saying if you abbreviate Dutch East company, you get us. Sure, sure, sure, I understand now. Um, and they were pretty revolutionary because they uh in sixteen three. A lot of what they did laid the foundation for modern business, but also a lot of what they did laid the fund foundation for literally everything that happened in the planet for the next four years. Um, did they do? Two Days Shipping, was that? Was that? Two Years Shipping, which was pretty crazy. At they're like, you mean I can order, I can go something, get this before I die, like Amazon. Preaching radical. What a radical thing, right, because people only live to be I don't know. So, yeah, I mean people would. It's you know, what I think about a lot is the number of people who have existed and how many of those people lived knowing that whatever they were working on was not going to be completed in their lifetime. Yeah, I wonder if. I wonder if that makes you ten here. Well, I was gonna say, and I can't think of anybody now who would be willing to put their life towards something that wasn't going to come to fruition in a lifetime. Yeah, I think maybe, yeah, maybe. Yeah, I think there could be some people. I mean we're doing it because we know that no one's gonna listen to this podcast until long time. Yeah, what if? What if that happens? What if we die and then, like twenty years from now in South America, South Africa, South Africa, people are like it just blow up here are this podcast? Yeah, yeah, anyway, it could happen. I so they laid the foundation for businesses. Yeah, yeah, Yah, yeah, so a lot of what they did was what they took money for goods. Like, how do they what do you mean? They laid the foundation for business. Okay, so this is an interesting point in world history because up until, uh, up until the east India company was established a little bit before the U, until the Dutch happened, Thee. Yeah, I was like say that different. What are you talking about? UH, up until the Dutch happened, the world relied on mercantile is Um Um, and so what that was was sickly hoarding Um. And so it was your nation or kingdom or group or whatever was like hey, we're gonna do all this stuff to get a lot of resources and hold it for ourselves so that way all of us don't die. Um Our nation exists and so, yeah, the whole thing was about growing your piece of the Pie. Was the mentality with the Dutch, they which it sounds like a decent mentality, because what they what they would say, is they would always be like, we can, we have to make sure that we don't export more than we have, and we don't. We don't ship out more than is a to the point where people in our nation couldn't eat or people in our nation didn't have their nutmeg or whatever. Um, but, which sounds smart. That sounds like something you would hear from Um. But what the Dutch said, as they said, hey, instead of trying to make our piece of the pie bigger, what if we just made the pie bigger? Um, okay, so we had, we still had the same percentage size of a pie, but the pie was just significantly larger. And so what was happening in that era was trying to get more. What if it is trying to get more? You know what if, and hear me out, instead of more, we tried more, and someone in that meeting was like, okay, I mean, I don't care what we do. I'm dying tomorrow. I'm not gonna see literally don't care. I canna care less. During this time, the spice trade was a big deal, which is hard for us to imagine because spices this was like a dollar nine Um. But at a point in time this big of a container of Nutmeg. Yes, so that's what they were talking about, or mark was writing about in his book. was cinnamon used to be a like a delicacy from Sri Lanka and you could only get it there exactly, and so it was traded around the world and treated with a Oh, this is only available in one place, so it has value, and now you can get it from the store right and growing and it's growing year round. I think of it like Nashville hot chicken. Hear me out, hear me out. Yeah, bring this, because everywhere has Nashville hot chicken. Now you can get a Nashville hot chicken Sandwich in Dallas, you get a Nashville hot chicken sandwich in L A. It's true, you know, it's no longer I have to go to Nashville to get that thing. Back in when we discovered zaxbies and they had the Nashville hot recipe, that was amazing. Blew our minds. But Missouri didn't have zaxbies so for us we had to go to the south to get it. It was a special thing. Yeah, it's like when it's like back in the day when Um uh, chick fil a was just spreading and then they would hit a new like state and they would have lines around the building like ten times for days. Um. Yeah, that's an interesting point. Yeah, it's why. It's why it's kind of wet. Spread too far. You think that's why they're not doing it. Well, I've read an article that there's a part of that where it's like they're trying to become like the vacation spots, like the first place you go after you get off. But they also on the other side of it is farms. They don't have enough distribution and so they can't get the fresh food to the locations on the east. The broms has a mega farm. No, you should look at under setting you that actually, I was just gonna let you you tell me about it. This is it's the shell. Okay, so it's Broms and they have a farm and it's mega farm. It's the farmer went out, the broms farmer went out and said, Hey, guys, we've got a lot, but what if we did more. Here's here's I think. Okay, got it. anyways, that people know what Broms is. Oh, I had no idea what bronze was until I came to Springfield and and it was very odd. It was a very strange experience to me walking into a bronx because I was under the impression that was an ice cream shop. Is a cream shop? Yeah, and then I got in there and it was yeah, it was a grocery store first of all, and then also there was, yeah, a giant line in all this food. It felt like a like the food court at Um at a NICKEA. Yeah, so they have an updated there in the interior since so it's it's really old. But like so, you you you've been to a bronze. Yeah, we got so, if you don't know what bronze is, if you're you know, uh, you know, foreign from, you know, form, not a midwesterner like us, bronzes is a you know, Burger, crinkle cut, French fry is ice cream thing. But they've also got the small little grocery store inside like they've got. When I say small, I mean like a gas station sized, you know, a couple of it's like a gas station in like a rural gas station where they it's like the only store, right. But the reason they do that is because they make all their own produce and they make their own uh ice cream and they make their own dairy. So they've got you know, because they have their own mega farm where they grow their own vegetables and they raise their own beef and do all that stuff. Mega farm is my new user name, Brams megafarm. On what I didn't think I need to make a user Um. Did you know that I have Paul Redd the actor at Gmail Dot Com? Okay, track. That's really funny. When I wanted, I wanted to be able to help people, you know. Yeah, I know, send me an email. My emails Paul Rudd, the actor at Gmail Dot Com. I need, I need you to meet Paul Rudd and for some reason I wish you were together. The actor at Gmail Dot Com. I think, I think, I think I set that up. We're very off track, but I think I set that up because one time I saw a twitter threat about a person figuring out that most famous people's emails is just a variation of first last name, last name, first name at Gmail, and it was like I got in touch with too many famous people doing this and I was like, I want to make sure you never get in touch with Paul Rudd, and so I went trying to get Paul Rudd at Gmail, but say can but he can't get Paul read the actor. That's fine, so let's change our usual names in the discord today, which this episode won't come out the discord for four weeks. So our patrons will have no idea. They'll be like, okay, but you're you're broms and I'm Paul the actor. Oh Man, man, that's gonna hit really hard. Whenever they get it, it's gonna be good. Okay. So, anyway, spices were a big deal. So at that time spices were being traded from far distances away. So they did have value because in our current world, natural hut chicken. Yeah, it's a great analogy. It's a great analogy. Was a really great analogy because it was spices were super rare because most of them were grown in their own geographic location. So nutmeg, the reason why I brought nutmeg is because it was the most valuable spice in the era. Um this size little jar of Nutmeg, which I think is like hold on, let me see, it's got this. This is one ounce of Nutmeg. Um. This would have been worth a bar of gold, like the same as a bar of gold today, and so you should shoot me if I walked in with Um. There's a lot of reasons. Um. One, it was super rare, and so an intense things. Rare the marker of your richness. Um. And so someone comes in your house, it's like having that APP on your phone that says I'm rich and you bought it for would you like to see my nutmeg? Then on the shelf of there it's my spice rack. Oh, McCormick, they just they just did a new nutmeg drop. I'm going to try to get some tonight. You know what's gross is every pastor's House I've gone to they got a whole shelf of spices, you know, and I go, did you buy that? A retail price or resale price? Huh, because right now it's reselling for a bar of gold. Preachers peppers, preachers peppers. I was gonna preachers and spices, but okay, speaker spice. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot, and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or if you're watching on youtube, leave a comment. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets, who were separated at birth, unbeknownst to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So, uh, there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in an episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one. Okay, so there's a few. Obviously the rarity was a thing, but there was also, uh, in that era, food was relatively bland and spices spiced it up a bit. Yeah, and so it made things taste better. Also, they were used in embalming. Yeah, I was I was thinking more like medical yeah, there was a lot of people who thought they had a lot of medicinal value. And then, on top of the embalming stuff and the medicinal stuff, there was also this uh, big phenomena of Uh uh. They used it for a romance, like to make the rooms smell better. So the same thing we joked about. They would literally just like wrap sticks in it and light I'm on fire, that it's incense sticks. And so there's a lot of different uses for the spy and people would like put them on their face so they'd smell better, like so they did a lot of things with the spice. Subject is wearing nutmeg, subjects smells like Paprika, smells like Italian seasoning, lemon pepper, special occation. So there's a lot of a lot of uses, I guess. Sure. And so the Silk Road opened up. Um, okay, there's a road made in times. sest road, terrible traction. Yeah, but here's the thing, because the traction was so bad, it took forever, especially for yours, because it was going from Southeast Asia into Africa and to where you're you're showing with your body here. Yeah, from Southeast Asia into Africa and then up into Europe. Um, and it took a long time because at that time there was no railroad, there's no ice road truckers, there was just walkers. You walked or you got on a camel or a donkey or a horse or something. Um. And so shipping spice on land was very inefficient. Uh. And somewhere along the line someone was like, Hey, what if we just sailed around Africa? And so they started doing that and that was a revolution in the spice trade because now so much more spices could get loaded onto a ship. Then could get loaded onto the back of your donkey. Uh, and so they were able to to ship that around. Uh, and this became kind of a a transformative era in the spice trade because now it was a booming season for business, because now all these people they could go get the spices easy, getting quicker and moving. It would go from, m HM, Southeast Asia. Well, they would take about from Europe, most often from Europe around the Horn of Africa and then into Southeast Asia, wherever they were getting the spice, from whatever nation that was, and then they would load it up, take the trip around and, coincidentally, what's interesting was the discovered there was this curtain, not curtain current current that was like just a big circular current and Pacific. And so they struggled a lot at the beginning because they were going against that current. But when they realized they could loop around and take that. They were able to kind of be more efficient and get through that trip a lot faster after they discovered that. And what's coincidental about that is that because they took that loop, they came very close to South America often and nobody discovered it from Europe for a while. But I mean, like, what do you mean? No one discovered it? Like they were just like they were rolling by it and they're like what do you guys think that is? And I don't know, maybe easia or something, I don't know, and they're like we gotta keep going North to Europe. Oh, no, one, no one on the boat discovered South America. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I thought you were saying no one in South America discovered the boat and I was like South America, like yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, who do you think? He's out there just like coffee in the morning. What is that? They've never seen the ship like that before. They Debbie, get out here, there's a boat. You're not gonna believe this. It's like a buildings again. That was their ufos. They had like this unidentified floating objects. What is that? It's like at their little pyramids in the Maya and and then this guy's like I swear I saw him float by again a boat. It was floating big. I don't even know what white dudes over there. What's name? I mean the only name I could think of our white six names. Okay, that I don't know any Mayan names, because these would have been mayans and I don't I don't know a modern Mayan name. No, ID, think of it. I feel zero by a names. Go move on. So they were. They could have discovered South America, but they didn't. Um, they were busy. They're a busy ship in Spice Uh. And this was an interesting moment because it was very, very risky to take this trip. It was a long trip, halfway around the world on a boat. That was how long did it take? You know, I don't know, probably half of everyone's life, a whole three and a half years. I don't know what to how long did the trip around the Horn of Africa taken? Yeah, put Google, see what Google puts out for that. Um, was it just giving you Google flight options? It's like a three year round trip. Oh Wow, yeah, so, yeah, a long time. And they were very risky because obviously they didn't have the weather act, because you leave when you're you know, your wife is raising children and then you you know she's raising your baby toddler, and then you leave and you come back and that baby is graduating high school, you know, moving out to a family of its own, baby like six years old. Yeah, people died, Dude. They had to get it all, they had to get yeah, they were living on too short yeah, this is when people were living a two x speed. Uh, and so it was a long trip and because there was just so many unknuns like you, didn't know how much food to pack, like you, sure gets sick on the ship. You could encounter a storm and it could sink. You could hit something and sink, you could hit pirates and sink. It was just you get sad and metaphorically, there's just a lot of risk on these trips. And so the Dutch, this is when the Dutch they duged everything up. Okay, so that trip wasn't what changed the thing. Well, I mean it was a big impact the trip around the Horn of after but when you say that the Dutch east India company changed how we do the finantion for that trip wasn't the thing. That trip wasn't the thing. Okay, what the change was was the Dutch. They said, Hey, what if, instead of having the people who own these ships have to swallow all this risk and go and try to do pull this thing off, what if, instead of it being all about them, what if we make it all about us, or at least a little about us? And so what they did is they they assembled really the first UH stock market. And so what you could do for the first seven history, Um, you could come together and a bunch of people could buy a share in this voyage. They didn't have to actually go on the voyage, they just financed the voyage. And so then, instead of one person swallowing the whole financial risk, where if your boat sinks you're screwed and you're never you're never financially recovering from this Um, instead a bunch of people could buy pieces of the Pie and then get a piece of that return and be able to then do it again. Hey're gonna be behind the scene. Access on our boat. Hey, what's up, guys the ship? We don't know what that land over there is, but there's a guy over there. Every time we drive by he freaks out we call him Daniel. I don't think that's the name that they've never responded. Yeah, we don't know any Mayan names, so we went with Daniel. Uh. So they sold the shares. It was the first stock market. And, okay, historians to two phrases came from this. Historians belief. We don't know for sure. There's no record of this, but two historians, two phrases. One did by the DIP shares, shares, because that you're taking, you're taking a share of the voyage. And then they believe stock market came from this. This one's a little harder to pinpoint, but because the phrase used at the time for the frame of the ships was the stock, and so they think that that's where the phrase stock market came from, because you're buying stock anyways. Um. And so this is the first time that's ever happened and it became a massive boom for the Dutch. Um. All of a sudden, so many boats were going into the ocean and come back full of Nutmeg and cinnamon and all the other spices and sugar and spice and everything, Um, except for it was a lot of not nice uh, and we'll get to that. Um In sixteen three UH, The v O C was formed, and this is where really, honestly, capitalism began. Um, because a group of these people who had for years, like their family has, been investing in these voyages said, hey, what if, instead of US investing in the voyages and then those people investing in the voyages and those people, what if we just what if we just got together and we were just the voyages? And so they came together there and it was a group of a bunch of the people who were buying shares in these trips. So they were just monopolizing while they established a corporation for the first time. And so this was a bunch of financial moguls who were very successful from all these voyages, from financing these small voyages, and they went on a shopping spree. They bought every ship that went on these voyages. Not only did they buy every ship, there's pricing other people out, basically, Um, so other people couldn't buy shares. Yes, but it was kind of it wasn't necessarily they were pricing everyone out because, yeah, nobody else was. They going to be able to buy shares after this. But this was kind of like the vast majority of the people who were doing this in general. Corporate became a corporation. So they all came together and did this together because they were just like, we could do a lot more, and if, instead of just buying shares in single voyages, what if we bought shares in the entire nutmeg industry or the entire spice industry? And so they went on the shopping spree and what they did is they bought every ship that did these trips. Um, they bought every port that these ships went into. So, as a corporation, they bought the port. Yeah, they bought all, not just they bought all the ports, like, if you think think of ports, they had them all. And then they bought all the land where the farms were, where this stuff grew. And they bought the Dutch military. And it's not anymore. Is your military for sale' Hi, that your military was for sale. Six trillion O bo. So I brought my here's my oboe. I'll take your military. Uh So what? What they set up with the Dutch government was basically, we'll do this, hey, we'll make everybody in the Netherlands very rich. We'll make everyone in Dutch Ya very rich. Um, and they said, you can tax us a lot. We'll we'll need some protection to do this. And so they sent ten warships with the east India County, Um, and these warships just traveled with them. And the terms of the agreement was, Um, you're gonna have a board of directors in the Netherlands and they're gonna make all your decisions for you. Well, what they found out really quickly was when you're in India and it's sixteen o seven, it's kind of hard for the board of directors to make a decision. And so the people in the UH, east India company were just like, we're just gonna make the call and see what and then we'll just ask for forgiveness if we need to. And Uh, they needed to. Yeah, they needed a lot of forgiveness. Things got very messy. Um, the dusk got really rich, the people in the VOC got really rich, and this is what led to them being the biggest company ever. And they create a lot of systems and processes that are mimicked to this day. Like businesses will look to what the VC did and mimic them, because they really they did a great chance. I Open books, it says, do you have a quick video of the VOC do you want to kick video? And then it's a guy on a ship and he's like kicking through. Hello, hello, he's like speaking into a shell. Hello, hello, hello. Is Ever in there? I saw it's pretty wild. Um, yeah, who knew? Quick books sent Daniel back in time, but they sent in the wrong land and so he's out there just watching the bus, like so I'm supposed to find you guys. He's got a three piece suit. I'm just a camera. I want to see this camera. What's a camera? Well, you got sent back in time. So he's got the camera. He's going to film them. He's like, do you guys have the charger? Okay, so what troubles this lead to? If everyone's rich, why are they mad? H So you know that thing people say about capitalism and how it's like like it, it leads to people sketchy stuff. Yeah, yeah, unfettered capitalism leads to just greed run rampant. Yeah, so that's what we got here. Um, someone so to where? There is a page on wikipedia called massacres committed by the Dutch east India Company, and it's a whole page. They got. It's their own page. It's not even a subsection in their wikipedia page. Is a new page. Um. Well, so here's what they did. Um. So they went to Um, this place called U Banda, UH and. It was this chain of islands in uh like where modern day like Jakarta is, so Indonesia, Malaysia area. Um, and this was where nutmeg grew. It was the only place in the world where nutmeg grew. And they really, really wanted to nut make and they wanted to sell a lot of it. And so they came there and they made a deal with the locals. There's as a tribe of about fifteen thousand people that lived on this island. Um, and tribe is probably a misleading word there, because it makes you think that they're like yeah, but what? They were very, very rich because they were exporting this nutmeg world. Yeah, Um. And so this was a very vague health the cards there and they were incredibly wealthy. H and so when the Syndia company showed up, they wanted to buy everything and they were like no, no, we don't like that deal that much, you know, because you know, we're rich now. If you bought it from us, we wouldn't be rich, would be less rich. And so they negotiated for a while. Eventually they came to a term um where east India company was just cure them. So the terms, there was an agreement that was set in place where the east Indian company got to set up a military base on their island, which is strange because they're a company, not a military, military group, but they got to set this military baseboks got a military group in my backyard, though I love them. I was like, yeah, I like you guys. Could you imagine? A lot of people don't like you, but I like you guys. Yeah, you guys. Can you guys can set in my backyard. Can you imagine like a dystopian world where all the big corporations are setting up military bases all over? They have to imagine that they're literally doing it, literally already happening. That's terrifying. Um. Soh Uh. And the idea was, hey, we're gonna be here and we're gonna set up a military base, protect you a little bit, and then we'll buy all of the spices you make. We'll buy all of them every time you make them at the s and then we'll ship them out. Cool, good deal, great Um. And then they they started building the stuff and they built a little bigger than was agreed upon. And then the locals came and they were like hey, you guys are this is not what we agreed upon, like, you're doing way more than we said you're gonna do, and they're like Oh, sorry, this is what we're doing now. Yes, sorry. So the locals killed a hundred of them, um, and they were like this isn't cool to kill a hundred people just because they didn't like the building. Well, because they were like, Hey, this is what we agreed and then the other people were like, yeah, it's that what we're going on, but it's what we're doing. And then they're like, okay, we're gonna kill you. Um, like that giant diamond store that's downtown. You know I'm talking about North Kansas City, the big old giant diamond store that just doesn't it's so out of place I have no idea what it made me so angry. I marched down there to the construction guys and I said, Hey, this is what we agreed upon. Who You are? And I said put that hard hat down and I'll show you. You know, that was a good line. First of all, I was a good line just on the spot. That was a good one. I hope your teams were in your hard hats. They're gonna need them. See what this building is made of. What are you? You know, like, what are you doing? I'm getting ready to fight. All right. So, so, so, they the first attacked them first, and the guy who was kind of directing the operation there was like to the board, and so he, uh, he called in one of the warships and uh, they killed four thou people and they took the other thousands of slaves, and then they were like this is our island now, and that was the first time that they've done something like that. Yeah, and they were just like yeah, we're just going and then the guy who did that was like this worked pretty well for us, and so then they just kind of kept and they were like yeah, that was that was an easier solution than negotiate. It was way easier than trying to deal with the muddy waters at that. And they're like, we have these warships, so let's just do that. And so they just started going to places and just killing people, like killing all the locals, taking all the farms and then just repurposing them for theirs. and growing the stuff themselves and then shipping it and so then, instead of having to buy the spice, they got themselves and they got it and they sold it in. So then they made even more money than they were making before. They was operating as a tiny country. Yeah, it really was like they blurred the line between a government and a company, just like the companies today, Um, the government today. But so they blew up. They became incredibly successful, Um, by doing all of the killing. So what year was that? That first one? Hold on, let me check and check, because they start this stuff in six three. They started buying all the ports, buying all the boats, doing all this stuff. Did you say in sixteen? O Seven? No, no, no, no, that was just a random number from a random example. I think it was sixteen. Okay. So, I mean they made it almost twenty years without mass murder. So that's a good run. Good run, good, good, clean run for about seventeen years and then it got pretty musy really fast. Um. Yeah, and there was I mean these and they're significant. I mean there's a couple in here that are like a few dozen people, which is really bad, um, but there's a lot that are like pushing ten thousand or over ten thousand, and it's just absurd. Um. And the people that they didn't kill they took as slaves to work on their farms and stuff. And so here's where their influence kind of carried it forward, Um, in history, because they laid the foundation for business. But and they set up a lot of systems and processes that are followed today. But the thing that they set up is that it's the profit over everything, because we have to get that profit out to everyone who holds a share. And so it doesn't matter the morals that get you there. And so and we still see that today. And so it's it's a it's a our entire modern business system is built upon a group of the foundation of a group that would just kill thousands of people to make more money, Um, and so it makes a lot of sense how we got where we are today. Yeah, Um, speaking like I'm speaking in bad business. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of perks like add free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking us out. So it wasn't it wasn't just the capitalism thing, like the foundation of capitalism. It was also obviously the foundation of corporations and the stock market and the shares and all the systems and the processes that they have, but it was also kind of there was a a hint of this. This really brought in a globalized world in a whole new way because before this, because they're doing dealings based in one nation and doing dealings across the whole world and the rest of the end, colonialism existed before this. It always existed, but in this era everybody else saw the V oc gets super rich and they were like can we do that? Uh, and so all the rich nations started just taking over other nations and being like you're us now, enterprise, yeah, and whatever you've got is us and we're gonna make a lot of money off of you now, Um, and so it kind of it blew up weddings. You're one of us now, but you're like, you're one of us now and I'm gonna make a lot of money of you. In First Corinthians, third time. That is so that funny. It's the drop of the first Corinthian. Yeah, I'm good at this. So, Jez, we lost him. Okay. So, uh, capitalism. We've got capitalism, we've got globalization, we've got corporations, we got colonialism, imperialism. Also slavery. Slavery always existed, but this is where like, oh, this isn't just like a you take them slaves because you beat them in war, or you take them because they owe you something. This is just like, oh, like, we could get really rich off other people if we didn't pay them. Yeah. So it opened up this this new age of slavery, if you will, where people, where these powerful people, learned that they could become significantly more powerful by subjuctating people, Um, and so the impact of the VSC was felt there. Another very interesting and significant thing that, Um, I could have significantly altered history was this, uh, this area of of U Banda, where they got the not made from. They were obsessed with this chain of islands that belonged to these people. Um. There was one other island in this chain that they did not have and that was owned by the English. Um. Oh, they wanted it so bad, like so the the VLC, wanted that island so bad. Um. And so in UH sixteen sixty eight, sixteen sixty eight, Um, they came to the English and they said, Hey, give us your island and will give you one of our islands. It wasn't really their island, but you know the like give us your island, will give you one of our islands. And they're like what island are we talking about? And they're like, we got this island where we've got our town of New Amsterdam. You can have that island if we can have this island and this chain, so we can have all the nutmegs. Um, okay, uh. And it took a long time, but finally they got through the deal and the English sold that island of Bretta, is what it's called to the Dutch. The Dutch got their full set of the blues to the start building hotels, and then the English got the island of New Amsterdam and they renamed it New York. Okay, I think that this potentially was a drastic change in history because now all of a sudden you've got the colonies are are under this British control, where they could have been under Dutch control. And what could have happened? WHO's to say how that could that story could have played out. The the that chain of islands that the Dutch had, uh was under Dutch leadership until, I want to say it was about fifty sixty years ago, Um, and so theoretically the United States could have been under Dutch control until way more recently. And who knows. Who knows how history could have played out if that happened. But a lot of a lot of people do think that the check out, my new balances. A lot of people think that the stock mark, the swimming Click Clack, click clack, the stock exchange and stuff was a thing that was established in new Amsterdam by the Dutch, and so New York being this major financial hub interesting because of the Dutch influence while they were there. And then they sold the island to get more nutmeg, which didn't work out because eventually everyone's ever let me see you. Um, who do we kill for this? So they so what happened was hunt Vali, Maryland. Okay, so, not too far from the island that they sold. Do you think we could take them? Depends how old they are. In Hunt, Maryland, two podcasters arrested for attempting to take over the town, claiming that the source of Nutmeg was essential to the growth of their empire. More at six. We need more nutmeg. Um, so I got to get covered in the NUTMEG. I need it. So what ended up happening to the VOC is? It was in control of the about to blow. That smells very good. It is. Yeah, I don't know a single recipe that calls for Nutmeg. And why do you have it? Did you buy it for this? No, we had it, but it wasn't open. Like I had to take the seal off at home so I could blow it on you here. Okay, we've had it and we've never used it. I don't know why we have it anyways. So what happened to the VSC was quite a few things that are very similar to a lot of businesses today. Um, one every other nation in the world was like, Hey, we have an east India company now too. Um, we can do that. Uh. And so they copied them and they had more competition. Um. Also, uh, there was this uh dip in prices. That happened because they were able to increase the supply and so then being able to ye, then being able to make more money made them so they made less money. Sure, they increased the supply so much it hurt them. There was some changes in the government. The Dutch were like, Hey, we don't really like you taking our warships around and just killing a bunch of people anymore. What if we just stopped? And so they called back the warships and they lost a lot of power, Um, and that also lost a lot of security. And they showed up and they were like, we're gonna take your land. Yeah, you in one army. That's where that phrase came from. Very influential. Uh. And then there was also uh, this dividend drains. So they had set up this this share system where people got these dividends, but they didn't set them up to where they scaled properly with the economy, and so when the east India company started making less money, they these dividends were draining a significant amount of their funds because they didn't set it up to scale properly. Um, if things dipped and they and and it hurt them. But their Achilles hell what ended up destroying the company, Um was, uh, they had a massive amount of employees that they paid very poorly and treated very poorly. Um, and eventually they rose up and they just started breaking stuff. Um. And eventually and they couldn't, they couldn't recover. And so the same as yeah, they broke enough of their ships and their boats and their farms and their reports and Um, it was too much for them to financially recover from. Just like Tiger King Year. was that, Um, they fall apart. It was. It sounds like they had a great run. Seeah, yeah, four years. Yeah, about two hundred years of Um, about two hundred years, and twenty of those were a very successful, great company. About eighty of them, well, probably about a hundred of them, were a terrifying company and then the governments were like Whoa, and then they were a company that was clawing for his life for a hunt eighty years, you know. So just like Pepsi Da. I was gonna say it's the story of subway and into it. So yeah, man, that's the Dutch east India Company. Here's something that most people don't know about. It to another impact that they had Um, when they were struggling, uh, things, things shifted down for them and they had learned Um from to Lipmania, because this is the same place the Dutch did to it mania, and so they learned from twomania. They okay, Hey, we need to diversify. We can't just um put all our money into webs. We can't just put all our money in spices. Oh, also, that was another thing. Spices became more available a bunch of other places were like, we can grow spices here, we have the same climate, and so they started growing up there too, and so exactly more popular. Nashville hot chicken. Yeah, and then they got less cool, like they went out of style. People were like, I'm not in Press Barry. Spices like breakout rooms. It's fair analogy. See the VSC like bowling alleys. This studio is a breakout room. We've been trying to break out. That's what the whole show we can't we think that this until you support our patrear. You listening? Yeah, and you might be thinking that's got to be for someone else. It's not. It's for you. It's for you. We're draft here and we need you to get the key to get only listener. Speaking of companies that are doing crazy things for profits, we got a new way that people can support us. Actually meeting of companies that do terrible things for profits. We have a new way that people can say what terrible there we do O for profit. 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The Bronze Age Collapse – The Apocalypse That Actually Happened

08-09-22

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Hey Man, hey man, have you ever heard of the late Bronze Age collapse? The what? The late Bronze Age collapse? Yeah, Bronze Age collapse. Yeah, yeah, when he was alive, it's a really great time. But the late Bronze Age collapse. Um, what a good fellow. You're just saying. There's a dude named Bronze Age class and he's died. He's late. Yeah, the late Bronze Age collapse. I mean, okay, I see where you're going with that. Sure, no, that's wrong. Um, all right, I don't know. Some of these jokes are good and some of them are just real, real bad. Should we do a smart so you're saying there are people who living on the ocean and the water just slowly went down and all of a sudden their heads was out of the water. I'll give you a hundred hollars cash right now if you can tell you what it's staying for. You and I could single handedly win the civil war if we went back in time with current weapons. Things I learned last night. It's the late Bronze Age collapse. Here's the thing about this. Let's speaking of here's the thing. Here's the thing. Hold on I need to pull up a review. Oh, extermine, that podcast review. That was like, I'll support on patreon. Tim Limits, here's the thing to three times. So you already said it twice, so I swear, don't say it again. Don't don't even read it. That'll count. Here's the thing. I'm not gonna stop saying. Here's the thing. Now that person to support US patreon. I gotta be honest, the fact that you bought it up has made me want to say in very more so. Anyways, UM, Kelsey, here's the start over. I don't care about this person. Here's the thing goes. I personally became a patron in your place, so that way I can continue to say here's the thing, and now I'm saying paying the five dollars, paying the five dollars, you have the freedom as that want. anyways. Uh So, yeah, the late Bronze Age collapse. Uh, all right, so this is uh a long time ago. There was a thing called the bronze age. H and so it was period in history that was pretty strange because it was pretty successful. UMP with bronze. Everything was bronze. Not really really okay. I mean they made a lot of like weapons, and stuff out of bronze. I think I don't know a lot about the bronze age. I just know about it falling apart. But, like, what I do know is there was this region in the Mediterranean Sea, like around the not in the Medran, around the Mediterranean, where there was a bunch of these nations that were, Um, just ridiculously successful nations, Um, who were very advanced, especially compared to, uh, the world following the collapse Um. So, for example, uh, there was Egypt. Egypt was a part of there. They had airplanes. Then, no, but Egypt, they these all these nations they had. Are you? Are you? Do you subscribe to the theory that Egypt was more technologically advanced than we are? I don't know if I would say I subscribe. I say I see a possible world, but I don't think I see enough to believe it. But I could see it. What I what I would say I could see? What I think is more likely is that it was something before Egypt that was more technologically advanced and they just they're kind of the remnant that like their quote unquote, stages, had like passed down knowledge to be able to do some stuff that everyone else in the world couldn't do because the people before them were smarter than them. But they all died in the ice age or the flood or something, I don't know. Okay, so we're talking about that. What? What time period were talking about? So this is a twelve hundred, between twelve hundred and eleven. It's a pretty narrow window there. Yeah, they know exactly when this happened. Um, so the Bronze Age was from three thousand BC E T B C E. UH, and I'll give you a hundred hours cash right now if you can tell you what it stands for before common era. Yes, what do you think it means? Before Christ, incarnate? Not even how you spelling cards. They didn't know back then. They hadn't come up with the letter I yet. What was? What was? Isn't it? Before Christ and after death? Is What people kept saying it was. That's what they said it was. That was that wasn't right then. You know. I mean before Christ, yes, but after death is not correct either. What is afterd what is what is after death? Do you know? Where are you going? Are you worried about what's after death? Better help DOC. So, so there there was the Egyptians. Yeah, the Assyrians, the hittights, the Macedonians, which were increased. I should probably say whether these people are they the Egypts were in Egypt, the tights were in hit tight. The Syrians were in serious no, okay, so the hit tights were in an area called Anatolia, which is just Turkey. Um, the Assyrians were next to that, like to the right of that, and the Macedonians were in Greece. There Cyprus, which was on the island of Cyprus. Uh. Then there was the Levant, which is like a collection of smaller states. Yeah, that's so cool. That sounds like a really hit bar. Sounds it does. Welcome to the Levant. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a cocktail bar. Yeah, it does. Um. And that was like a collection of a bunch of smaller, uh, like cities and states in the Mesopotamian era. Um. And then there was Egypt, Um, and then a couple of smaller other players, but those are, you know, Egypt famous for their big bass pros. Okay, uh so they each of these nations was honestly pretty this this whole civilization here was very advanced, especially for the air of time that they ran. They all had writing they all had arts and crafts. They all had um, decent like infrastructure, so like rhads, Um, some rudimentary, like water works, Um, and then they had decent architecture, Um, and they had some they were technological advanced in terms of like warfare. Well, the arbitrator was left over from a previous yeah, society. It was the Tartarians. Short, they had they were technolog that they were pretty technologically advanced compared to everything else. Honestly, up until the classical era, historians would say this was the best era of humanistry to live in, the classic because it was so advanced and there was so much Um, quote unquote, luxury and a decent level of people. What do you think they would say that the current best time to live in is what? The Future? Here and now? The Future Future? Yeah, right now it's kind of bad. We're pretty far away. We don't go back to you know, it's like it's like when you break up with a girl for a little while but you still want to get together in the future, but like right now is on the right time, you know, and it's like I'm immature and she's dumb, you know, and so you're like you're like ships in the night. Yeah, it's like the timing wasn't right. UH So. But then she starts dating some other dude right, like going on like now, like like not like like a real relationship, not like like a good like you know it's not gonna work out, but it's just like they're you know, and they go out and they go get ice cream together and you're just at home play an Xbox in your garage, you know, and you're like, AH, man, I really wish that that I didn't mess that up. You know, you just yearn for what you had, you know. And UH, like living in a limbo, is what I'm saying. They're kind of like a well, historians would say we're living in limbo. We're living in limbo where. They're like, we don't want, like we're too far past where that would be a good life. Yeah, but we're not yet to the good life. Yeah, yeah, we're in the in between. And they were not. They were in a great time to be alive. For what? For when they were uh, and one of the most significant things about the society is it was a globalized society. Um, and I put that in quotes because they didn't understand how the world was yet, but they were connected with the other countries around them. Yeah, and they they had trade networks and they relied upon each other. Um. So, for example, UH, the La Vant, all the nations in there. They had a lot of food, with really fertile land, and so they could eat a lot, but they didn't have access to a lot of bronze or really many other materials in general. And so they trade. They traded all their food for UM materials. Uh. Trades been around forever, but in this era what was significant is it was a very early era of time where people literally relied on every other nation to supply the needs. And it was. It was a trade network just like we have today, where, Um, all your stuff comes from somewhere else. Uh. And so that that was the world that they lived in in that era. What's peculiar is in d between twelve hundred and eleven, fifty BC, Fifty Years Um, a single generation, uh, the entire thing collapsed. It just fell apart. Um. And Uh the only nations to make it out of it were Egypt and Assyria, Um, and a couple of smaller cities, but they it was different. Um, we didn't make it out of them what does that mean? Like they all fell up, like they literally just aren't nations and they got wiped from the face of the earth. Um and so, eachy Syria. Uh, we'll find out. EACHYPT in Assyria. Uh. What do you look at me like that for? WHO WIPED HIM OUT? Tim Okay, so, so Egypt at the SERIO. They survived, but they were like fractured, you know, like they barely made it out of their live everybody else. We lost our Israel lines. Where did they go? Uh? Here's what's crazy. Nobody knows exactly what happened. Uh. There's a lot of theories. Window. How long had they been living in good like good trade systems and all this stuff? About eight years. So this was a very long periods um of relative peace. There were wars and stuff like that, but it wasn't there was nothing crazy, and then within fifty years it all just falls apart at all collapses. The pavailing theory for the longest time was the sea people's. Have you heard of him? What the Sea People's? So this is an interesting thing where a lot of texts from these different nations talk about these sea people's and that's what they call them because they didn't know. They didn't know that the world was bigger. Well, they didn't know where they were coming from. They just these people literally just rose up out of the sea. Well, they probably, I mean they voted in the probably voted in. Probably. It doesn't explicitly say that, though. It's as I came from the sea. Okay. Now, so these sea people came in, uh, and they were just destroying all these cities from these massive empires, which was very peculiar and has kind of stumped uh historians for a long time, because these societies, they were superpowers. They were these superpowers of the day and they were more technologically advanced than anything else in the world. Um, they were masters of the chariot. What existed outside of the Mediterranean, see at that point? Well, Africa, Asia. I mean, what do we have established societies in that era? There are, there, there are, but there's not like, uh, here's the deal. UH, nobody cared to research them, because this is western history and they don't care about stuff that leads to America. Um. Now, so there was there was China. China had their dynasties coming together. There was some northern European stuff in like Russia, um. And then there was all stuff throughout Europe, but they were probably just just as taking largely advanced. No, not nothing compared to the Medachranean, the medal tranean was the superpower of the world. There was all these other civilizations, Um, and they had a society that was forming. But it's nothing like this because they were so interconnected and they had these trade routes and so they were able to develop further than any of those they're gonna blame to see peoples for their falling apart. Well, yeah, so that was the idea, is that these see people's they don't know who they are or where they came from. But yeah, but something about them. They had a technological edge over all of the superpowers of the day and they managed to come in and just wipe them out. Um. And the evidence we have of this is we have a drawing shocking amount just blue people who are dripping away. We have there's a shocking amount of cities from that time period that we're destroyed in that time period and were never rebuilt. And they have sciences. They be where the see people, to see people know. There's letters, there's letters. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment. Uh, if you want to listen to another episode, my favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh. It's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff. And there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. So the first, the first and like the biggest one we get is from a town called Uger Itt, uh, creative name. Uh. And it was a letter to another king somewhere. I gotta find the note. Um, it was letter to another king, basically saying okay, here he says. Uh, he said the enemy. Oh, if they did say ships, the enemy ships came here. So yeah, most likely from the boats. Uh. They did evil things in my country, Um, doesn't they? So here's another interesting weird thing before we go on. Um, these kings in these nations called the kings and other nations their father. I don't know why, it was a weird cultural thing. So he's talking to this other king and he's calling him his father, and so then he says it does not my father know that the troops and chariots are in the are, in the land of Hattie, and all my ships are in the land of Luca? That's the country is abandoned to itself. And then my father know it the seven ships of my enemy. They came here to inflict much damage upon us. Basically just asking this other king to be like, Hey, come help us, because all my arms, my armies, on the other side of my nation and you're closer. I need you to come save this city. And by the time the letter gets to him, well, the letter never left. They found the letter in that city. So there's all these destroy cities, and so the something happened with these peoples. Some people believe they discovered iron and they started making iron weapons and the bronze couldn't hold up. Bronze wasn't good enough. It goes bronze, iron, steel, steel, yeah, adamant, adamant, saying Admiral Um, silver, gold, platinum, computers, Rune. Oh, are you looking? Skip Myth? There's what was it? What was it Attie? What is it? Uh? Anyway, yeah, I know, I know, weapons no, so I know, medieval times. Here's the thing, here, here's what doesn't make sense about this. Uh. These people, they had chariots which were like the tanks of the day. Um, and even if the sea people's managed to get iron swords, they still shouldn't have been a match for a nation that had thousands of chariots. Uh. And what we don't know. They had thousands of chariots. They could have written that even like we have thousands found like wheels and stuff, like all their chariots, stuff, their faith, their models. Well, I mean that answers it, doesn't it? And so the UH, what's phenomenal is whoever they see? People's arm they went through. They wiped out all these cities, Um, and two things didn't happen. One, the sea people didn't take over the city like most empires. That left it. They just left it. They just came and kill everybody and laughed. Very strange. And then, too, uh, there must have been no survivors, or their survivors got taken prisoners or ran or whatever, because no one rebuilt. And so these they were literally wiped out. And they were it was hundreds of cities all over the Mediterranean and all these different superpower nations just disappeared all at once, to the point that these nations literally fell and disappeared off the face of the earth. Um, and these quote unquote, see people's disappeared after this. They destroyed how many hundreds? I don't know how many cities, but there was, I think, seven or eight nations that would be considered like superpowers that all wiped got wiped out from this event, whatever this event was, um. And so the prevailing three for a long time was that they see peoples that came in, they killed everybody and they just left. Um took care of that. They got rid of you, guys, Um and so recently. But they didn't steal all the riches and stuff. Well, I mean stuff probably got stolen, UM, sure, but nobody knows, like nobody knows where I went. Like, where did they go? You would think that, if you would think, they would either take those cities or take stuff back to their cities, but we have no idea where they came from, Um, what their purpose was or where they went after all this happened. They just disappeared. So historians are looking at the sea people's and they're like, where did you come from. Where did you go? Knda, cut you off. Are you gonna try to finish this joke or there's no joke? I was I was trying to make sure I knew where we were on the episode here. Cool. Uh. So recent historians have been like, maybe this is not maybe the sea people's were not the reason for the collapse, maybe they were more of symptom of a greater problem. Um. And so they started looking at the rest of the situation in the world at the at the time. Um. And there are now about a I don't know how many. There are a handful of possibilities, of possible conclusions. It looks like there's six, uh, theories of what started this collapse, Um, and then led to almost like a domino effect of one of these pins fell and then it led to all these other things beginning to to fall apart. I understand how Domino's works. You need me, I can get so I can set them up if you want me to. We can watch them fall. It's not really great for the audio listener, but I see you got him set up, so go ahead and knock them more. That was what you did. That was a domino one. What would be your starts closer to the MIC, right. I think it would be a little bit more of like a role, like a that might have been a pretty good one. Should we do a smart so this is okay. So the sea people sometimes Tim in our office will listen to a SMR. So the people and they murdered. Everybody have you're a whisper to your echo devices. It's terrible. She whispers back, doesn't she? Yeah, the first time, but you don't realize that. I have never done that where you're like, you're you're tired, you're and you're like, you're like Echo Sena alarm. Yeah, and sugar, it sounds like you've whispered to me. Next time you whisper, whisper back and it's terrifying. It is because the lights are off. It is terrifying. It's the host back and I can never prove it to anybody because I've already done it. You. I've already set up the ECHO. Yeahs do it. If you've got an echo gleating lights on those Alexa, it's over for you. Okay. So here's some of the theories. The first one is volcanoes. Most likely, uh there was a volcano in uh somewhere Scotland called hecla uh, and it it erupted, uh, in February, twenties twenty. Just kidding, that's wrong. Um. It erupted at the beginning of wow, it erupted in February and then it off and then it's set in motion. Just the worst year actually know, February two. Uh. Still UH. It erupted in. What year is this about? Twenty years before the Bronze Age collapse. And this eruption was classified as a five and F five eruption. Um. I don't know what the scale is, but it's a five on the eruption scale and it was significant enough where it spewed enough ash and I don't know, stuff into the sky, smoke, if you into the sky, uh, worldwide, that it changed the climate for eighteen years. The temperature dropped for eighteen years. Um. It sounds like that's what we need to happen again. Guys, I did a lot of research. If we just take all the salmon and we shove it in this volcano, it's got to create enough pressure. Two D and fifty million salmon shoved down a volcano. He'll create enough pressure and also plus side when it erupts, it will click the same, but right have same for everybody. It's the fish Cano, fish canoe. That's a movie we gotta Make Right now. We you've you've seen shark Nado this fall, Fish Cano and a theater near you. Uh. So, the this eruption changes the climate worldwide, and I try to figure it out exactly what that net that eighteen years and there's a scale of it. Either changed the temperature of about by about two degrees Celsius, like dipped it by about two degrees Celsius for those eighteen years, or the average temperature was below zero for eighteen years. It's quite arranged. That seems pretty dramatic, quite arranged. So I checked Krakatoa, which Krakatoa was a similar eruption. It was just it was a six on the scale. I thought Krakatoa was a website that verified things. I thought you like. I checked Krakatoa, right, and Krakatoa says and I was like, I don't remember Krakatoa before. Krakatoa was another big eruption. Uh, just by, Ne near, just by, close to it, near Australia, and I want to say the early eight hundreds Um, and so we had better records of that. And that was peculiar because there was a period for I want to say it was seven or eight years where the sky was a different color. After that it was such a severe and I shouldn't say it was a different color, but the sunsets were uh oranger. Uh. Okay, I don't know. It is darker or something. I don't know. It had a severe effect on the world. Uh. And so the theory goes that this eruption uh caused a famine in Europe, and so the Europeans, they all UH traveled down into the Mediterranean to get food from the superpowers. Uh, this influx of refugees and all these nations. Yeah, they did not have enough food for everybody, UH, which led to a new crisis of nations like the nations in the Levant, where their primary export was the food. They now couldn't export, so they couldn't get all the other materials they needed for this enough yeah, because they they didn't have enough to to maintain all the refugees. Um, and so it started to to kind of cripple each of these nations because they couldn't keep up with the amount of food that they had because they were. What was very interesting was these the societies had, uh, these storehouses, Um, and they had like really sophisticated ledgers keeping track of how much food that they needed throughout to get through all the winters and even extended famines. U started to withstand those sorts of things. Well, when there was this inflo some people, it messed up that calculation and so then they ran out of food really quickly, and so they as this theory goes, is it put the whole area into the state of Um, very like a very thin line close to a collapse. And then everybody who didn't travel in to become a refugee started getting desperate. And those are the sea people's. They got boats and they came in and we're basically like, hey, give us food or we kill you. Um, they're like, we don't have any food, and then they killed them. Uh, there's one thing, we're true to our word the end their Ph that was good. That was a good joke. And these, uh, these people groups were all it was a disjointed and fractured groups. They right. Yeah, and because this was a disjointed and fractured group, that's why they weren't capturing the cities. They were just trying to get food and survived, and then we're going out of the next city to get the food and survived. And the reason why these nations uh couldn't defend themselves against these people, Um, is there's that, but there's also this idea that the lack of trade uh for the economy and especially inflation. Gas prices were high. especially the military was very expensive in these nations to train and maintain all their different UH chariots and armors and whatever they have, um, and so they weren't in a state where they were ready to defend themselves like they normally would have been. Um, they're a little bit weaker and more open to attack. Is the is the theory, and so it was. It was the series of of Um effects that began from this volcano. Um. That's the theory. That's the theory. The other the other ones are relative similar to this. The next one is a drought, and so it's a similar concept that there was some sort of drought. Someone see people. So if there was no ocean, then where are they coming from? The ocean sank and then the people that lived under there were like, well, there's a world up here. So you're saying there are people who living on the ocean and the water just slowly went down and all of a sudden their heads were just out of the water and they were like, y'all, see this, Ya see, like they got cheeriots and stuff. We know how to say that. We're cheeriot. We knew what that is, though. We're very familiar with the world. Wow, the waters down to our shoulders, right, and they kind of get a little word because they're like trying to breathe right, like did a volcano caus this? They're like it's so much easier breathe outside the water. It's probably for that month where the water is still going down. It's just in their eyes. Like what's happening, guys? Can you imagine if that happened with the air? What are you talking about? If the atmosphere just sink works in space? Yeah, it's just our eyes are outside the atmosphere. That would be sketchy. Every time you drop something, get like it burns up. Yeah, you're eating, you drop something off your fork and you're creating comets. Dog Traits are a thing in the past. We can't toss those no more. Yeah, you can't jump either. Talking yet taking away your parents wouldrow their babies in the air. Oh No, yeah, that baby belongs to space. Now that's the spaces baby stars, baby, Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify Youtube, you'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators. Uh, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight, six six. Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, the drop is a similar theory. There was some somewhere far away and then everybody got hungry and then it just kind of causes chain reaction. Another one is iron um the so there's this cycle, uh, where the plankton eat the iron? Stop that? No, so the idea is that there was some other nations somewhere that discovered iron and they started making iron weapons and it gave them an edge and then they were able to become to see people's and go kill everybody these. You're you're hung up on the numbers of that battle. I am, and I'm hung up on the fact that, if this is true, there should be an empire. And skip to the weird theories. There's not any weird theories. Well, there are some people who think to see people's are aliens. I was going time travel. Oh, that's a cool theory about it. Let's play about it, all right. So, all right, here we go. Fifty Years Before that, a dad throws his baby in the air, right, I mean floats away. Fifty years later, it's very angry about the changes they've been made to earth and it's you know, and it's like, I'm an atmosphere. Yeah, well, it's not longer a baby, it's a grown main it was grown into fear villain, right. So he returns. Yeah, I got superpowers from growing, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I was just thinking like, you know, to to defeat the high number of people, you know, I got to have like cannons and guns and stuff. Yeah, so, yeah, you probably are from the future if you were able to do that. Dude, you know how we, you and I, could single handedly win the civil war if we went back in time with current weapons, like you and me, that would be a pretty fun movie. Which would you try? Which would you fight for? Tim I'd fight for the right one. Yeah, which one is the right one? I was hoping that I was trying to trap you in that. So that's pretty funny. So, yeah, so the idea is that there was some technological edge that some nation got and they went and conquered everybody. But I think that's pretty unlikely because there was no empire that rose up after this. It was just a vacant you. Okay, Um, so I think it's unlikely. The next one is kind of similar. UH, they call it changes in warfare. Yeah, why would they just yeah, I guess why. Why would they just fight them and leave? Yeah, that's very peculiar. Um, it's like mugging somebody but not taking their wallet. Yeah, yeah, and and there's stuff that's missing. Well, I mean, I guess. But if they're if they're greater, if they're more advanced, right, and they come and attack this land and they realize, oh, we already have this stuff, is not that great. Yeah, maybe that's like that's like when someone broke into my van, right and they throw my merchandise and didn't steal a single thing, you know, like they broke my window out, looked at my shirts, my CDs and they were like no, I don't need this, unless there is that guy who broke into my van and he's now just a fan. He just saw your Vano was like oh sweet, I love that. My van used to say tour dates on it, you know. And so I think they broke in opening to find things of value, value and instead they found my merchandise, which is of no value. Yeah, that's fair. You can probably just on JARREN MEYERS DOT COM, slash van merge, Fan Merge. So yeah, so I think maybe they maybe they went and they were like, Oh, this isn't worth it, though, maybe, but you would still think they would take the land. That's true, I guess. I mean it's just strange. Uh and and what's even more stranges nobody really built. I mean they had to all die or they ran. There are new villages that popped up on the top of mountains. So these people were very scared. Okay, the Sea People's Um. They're like they can't climb hills. Uh. Another theory is changes in warfare, and so there's an idea that Um kind of similar to the civil war. Where was it? The civil war? Was it there? I knew you're gonna say it, but it's still got me just as good. Was it the civil war? was that, Muh, where we changed? It wasn't the lines of people just shooting at each other and then it was actually like condat Um, when you were no, they still did that inter that's where it changed. We had the drummers in the front line that. So do you remember, like do you remember? Do you realize, like that was someone's somebody died playing the flute in the civil war. You know that's not a hero. You're not a hero. You know you're not a hero. The Piccolo. Come on, Dude, you know you're not a hero. There's there's somebody who's like my great great grandfather, my great grandfather, he was the fluter, you know, he played the Piccolo. He was you know, you imagine that. They'll imagine you. You were looking up your family history and you're a great grandfather played the Piccolo in the civil war. Yeah, I like to picture that the Piccolo Guy and the Piccolo guy got shot and then someone on the other side of the line was like the piolow's down and he ran across really valiantly to pick it up and then keep playing because someone had to do it, and then he got shot. Yeah, if someone stops playing the Piccolo, the sea people show up. It's the only way to keep him under water like that PC dude. Piccolo guy didn't even mean to be in the civil war. He's just an ice cream man, right, he's just out there, he's got a little Satchel of melted ice cream. They couldn't carry it. They didn't have they didn't have the technology back then, right, and he's just out there like ice scream, you know. And UH, anyway, no, but you know, it's definitely gonna be one of those lifted truck guys who's got the punisher logo in the back of his truck. He said my grandfather had fought for this wart this and his, his grandfather, fought in the civil war. It's like your grandmother played the Piccolo. Yeah, Um, he's like yeah, what about it? He just puts his together. He's like he's on the highway, he's getting in run range and he gets out of the car. He's like, he's like, you're gonna requet this. You say you're sorry, writing say it. I'm not afraid to use it. Don't make me. He's ripped like he's buff, Dude. He's like a really buff, bald, scary looking guy. Gotta punish your TAT on his face. Wow. So, I don't know. Some of these jokes are good and some of them are just real, real bad. So we got highs and Piccolos, you know what I'm saying? Okay, this episode sucks. So so there was there was also an earthquake storm. Earthquake Storm. What? There was also an earthquake storm. Apparently a real thing. Apparently the earth shakes. Yeah, what happens is, I guess, and it makes sense if you think about it. UH, sometimes there's an earthquake and then there's a lot of them for a while. Um, because I guess, like the plates are moving and then they never figure it out. Well, I mean, if a plate's moving, one quake isn't enough to solve whatever they're trying to figure out. I do know a lot about plates. Yeah, this is a good place, this is really good, good plate. Can I take a bite? Out of that plate. That's a good plate, you got right there. Uh. If then with shifting, most likely one earthquake isn't enough for it to figure out what it's where it's trying to go um, and so it needs some more earthquakes to get where it's going. And so there's occasionally these earthquake storms were in a specific region. There'll be just a lot of earthquakes for a while until the earth gets sorted out a little bit. And so is all the theories involved. These are things that led to them being destroyed by an enemy, basically. So it's very clear they were destroyed by an enemy. I don't know if it was they were destroyed by the enemy. I think. I think, what I think. What we see is we know there was a lot of nations that got attacked by somebody. Um, we don't know who or where they came from, but we know they all talked about the sea people these uh, the the thing is, it doesn't seem like that's the only part of the story. So we're saying that an unknown cause. You just you just take a long way to say. What I just said, though, is that we are confirmed that they were attacked by somebody. Yeah, but it's not. It's not that the attack was what was collapsing it. Yeah, we're saying that these are all the theories of other factors. Yeah, plus the attack. Yeah, that would have led to this collapse of an eight hundred year old civilization that was pretty advanced in stable into and it happened in fifty years. I mean, you know, you are one generation away from total collapse. Is something that I don't know. This is what a lot of Republicans say. You're one generation away from probably getting from this. Yeah, my grandfather played the Piccolo, but uh, and so the earthquake storm started it. So basically what we're getting is there's a lot of different little little things that could have been the root cause sent things down a road that caused a greater class up. Uh, and that's kind of where historians sitting now is. They think it was kind of this greater systems collapses, the phrase that they use, where the society was built on the systems of trade and agriculture. Something happened. They were overwhelmed. Yeah, the system did not run properly. Yeah, supply chain was broken, exactly, exactly. And so, because, because trade was hampered because there was the famine. Um. They were opened up, they got opened up to disease and things like that that they weren't before and they got opened up to the possibility of being rated by these whatever the sea people's were. Um. And it in fifty years. It brought the known world for those people to its knees. Um. And what's very crazy is it didn't bounce back for five years. This whole region was just kind of left in ruin for five hundred years. Um. And then the Greek civilization came up out of it and they were like, let's invest in this property. The Greeks saw it as a wonderful investment opportunity. Um. Uh. It took them years to get to the point where they were even comparable to what was there before. Um. And so a lot of historians, they looked to the mythology um and even a lot of religious texts from that era after the collapse. Um, and they like even the story of Atlantis. A lot of a lot of historians will say Atlantis is talking about the world before the Bronze Age collapse. Um. And maybe there was an actual city called Atlantis, or maybe it was just this distant memory that was passed down through generations of people saying like the world was a much better place before Um. Everything just kind of fell apart. They never finished a sentence. There's a much better place before before what, Grandpa, but for what? It sounds like you just whispered to me. The next time you do that, I whispered back, dude, GRANDPA's lost his mind, Dude. And so so it's it's it's strange because, uh, it's weird. It's strange because this was a time where, uh, we don't we had this society that had written word, that had a good history, that kept tract of everything, and then all of a sudden it just disappeared and there's this this window in history where there's basically nothing Um and we don't have a lot of record of what happened in there. And then all of a sudden grace rises up. And what's Uh, what's interesting is even in the collapse, for those nations that survived, Egypt, it seems like just made a bunch of crap up Um, like they've got all this stuff about how Ramsey's defeated to see people's and pushed them back and all this stuff, and it doesn't seem like that's necessarily true. It just seems like they just kind of got lucky and we're on the tail end of this Um by the time to see people showed up Um, or if they I don't know. It just doesn't seem like they're telling the truth about the scenario. Do you think ancient Egypt? Deep State Ancient Egypt? He's lying about what happened. Yeah, okay, Um. And so these these nations, uh, they went on in Egypt. Obviously stuck around and became a big deal, a serious duck around and became a big deal. But this window was where Israel popped up and out of out of the Levant, they ended up over there and they made their nation. And you know, the rest is in the Bible. If you're curious about that one, you can pick it up. You can pick it up in the hotel room. So, yeah, this is I mean, I don't know. Is the bronzes clapse? It just kind of fell apart. Yeah, a lot like the end of this episode. Apparently, Jesus, apparently it wasn't. There's no real clear reason. Or most of the aliens most likely probably. Well, you know what they say. Anyway, that is at the end. Yeah, well, I'm going to tell you I saw I almost a fight at a red light the other day, one of those big trucks right he gets out, he's like get the person, oh gosh, pull out a fiddle. Things that the last night is a production of space tim medium produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Kleb but Goldberg, and our social media is run by Kaylee Walker. Our host are Jarren Meyers and Tim Stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at tilling. PODCAST IS T I L L and podcast. 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Mike Malloy – The Iron Man Who Just Won’t Die

08-02-22

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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Mike Malloy? Mike Malloy? Yeah, maybe Michael Malloy, Mike Malloyd? No, I know his son, draco. You might have draco Malloy. What about Mike the Durable or iron mike or Irish drest SPUTIN? Maybe the Juggernaut or, uh this is uh my favorite, the murder trust. Yeah, what is is this a is this a local wrestler? Is this one of those guys, like does backyard wrestle? Sounds like it. It sounds like it. No, it's not, it's ah Um. You know, I think this is better if I don't tell you. Sprinkle on a little bit of rat poison as if it was like a vinaigrette. Did you say innocent and then describe a murder? You know that guy that crawled in the fire yesterday? We've been trying to kill him from MONC won't die. What's that episode of Spongebob where he makes that really nasty looking crabby patty? You know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, it's gotta look worse than that, right. Things I learned last night. That was the whole episode. What if it's like it's like, actually, this one's better. If you don't know, your life was. My life was better before I knew. It's great. Let me just say, okay, I won't tell you. Sure, let's go and blind. Yeah, let's let's go and blind. Okay, so it's the year is nineteen three. Um, it's it's just February, a couple of years after the Great Depression, the height of the Great Depression. We're still in it. We're still win we spoke. First of all. We're still know when? When does when did the depression officially end? What was the do we know? I'm sure like someone knows. I don't know. When did someone over from to thirty nine? It was the war. The war gave everyone a lot of money because, you know, a bunch of companies profited off of war, as always. Um, wow, that's the thing. So this is the middle of the depression, I guess, the early middle of the Great Depression. Um, New York, the depressions teenage years. What is that? How old is the Depression in human years? That human years. Every year the depression is like eight years. So okay, so at that point the depression would have been four years old. Uh, and so it's about a seven to one ratio. But all age. Yeah, so depression is as old as us at this point. So pretty wise its brain is fully developed at so it's New York City, February. The Bronx. Okay, uh, there's this group of guys right, yeah, you ready? Tony Marino, Joseph Murphy, Francis Pasqual and Daniel Christberg, who were talking about Mike. We're talking about Michael Malloy, Malloy. Yeah, yeah, he's a gangster. He's a mobster in this group. Obviously there are a group of dudes and the Bronx in the Great Depression, uh, and their friends. Um. Also, what's going on in the middle of this era is the only people who had friends in the depression was the mob. Everyone else is on their own. Everyone else is trying to figure out how to meet through the depression. The mob was like they were fine doing okay, yeah, those are a lot of mob names. It was the first one. The Tony Marina's some mob mobby name. Uh, so, Tony Marino, he owned a speakeasy. This is the middle of the prohibition. Oh yeah, and so I wonder how correlated the prohibition and the Great Depression were. Well, I'll tell you what. It was horrible depression and people couldn't drink during it. So it's like, well, I just hit a cave tour the other day. Prohibition was the nineteen so wow, they got like a couple of years into it and they were like, you know what I always said about that? We should drink again, not until the depression is drinking age and it's it is finally Tony One in depression. Now. I went on a cave tour the other day and the caves were used as the does it speakeasy? Yeah, did they do it in a cave or do they have like a like the cool ones, like under a barbershop or something? Yeah, it was something like that. Um, it's in the it's in the Bronx. Um. So these guys there are a group of friends. Um, and the depression obviously was a difficult time financially for a lot of people. Um, we should make alcohol illegal again just because I want to see where the speakeasy pop up in current world. Just because, just like inside a mattress firm underneath the windy's, you know, uh, can I get the four for four? Um, you know, can I get a vanilla frosty and then like the drift just opens up. Anyway, it's like anyways, uh, okay. So, uh, Tony Marino, he's running this. He's gotta speak easy, he's got to speake easy. Um. And the depression was a tough time for a lot of people, uh, and a lot of people turned to some nefarious options of making money, because a lot of people were struggling making its meat. So some people got into some petty theft, UM, some people got into some robbery. Um. A lot array of crimes were being committed by people who are in desperate situations. And this group, Um, they said, you know what, world of that, robbery, theft, things like that. That's the you're not gonna make much money after that. A couple hundred bucks, chirps, Um. We need we need to go after some like enterprise. Yeah, and so they got together and they started Um doing a little uh fraud, um fraud, a little bit of light fraud, some insurance fraud. I do love a little bit of light fraud. Was It was insurance fraud. Ironically, the thirties were is the fraudyest insurance period UH in history. Um, for a couple of reasons. Historians thicket was one. The depression was happening and so a lot of people were desperate and insurance fraud was one of the easier frauds to commit, especially because at that time, well also in Um, more fraudulent checks had been cashed in than in the entire two decades before that. When things get tough, I mean people fraud. Uh, people, fraud, afraid people, fraud people. I had that motivational poster up there, you know, afraid people, fraud people. Okay, so um the but they also think that the insurance agents, the salespeople, we're getting commissions and they were like I'll turn a blind eye to what I'm pretty sure fraud, so I could get commission off that Um. But there was also really lax regulations with insurance in that era, Um, and so a lot of new regulations respond out of this era, one of the bigger ones being Um, the person who was having an insurance policy taken out on them did not have to be present at the time of sale. So I could just take out an insurance policy on you and you didn't have to know and then I could go kill you and be like hey, he's dead and then I would get the money back, because they were just like, yeah, I'm sure this guy is I'm sure this guy's okay with this, I'm sure he knows you. And could you kill me and then take out the insurance? You'd have to be pretty fast. You'd have to get that work done pretty could you run me over with your car and then take out an insurance policy, but way too much for the insurance to kick in, and then and then claim the insurance on that? You'd have to do some serious embalming and make sure like you never decayed a little bit. Um. But if you could pass it off a fresh dis start scamming dude here. Yeah, we should start taking a shared note on our phones. Anytime you think of a good scam, let's just put it in there. That's a good scam. That's a good scam, like a good scam. So, uh, these guys were like hey, yeah, who were they taking? Were they killing people? It started off started off pretty normal. Um, it started off innocently enough. Um, with UH, one of the guys was dating this girl. It wasn't going great and so they said, Hey, what if she just got pneumonia? And so what they did is uh took out an insurance policy on her. Uh opened up the window. It's December and UH, New York dumped a bunch of water on her. got a really drunk first, so she would to notice. Got A really drunk, dump a bunch of water on her and just let her die overnight. Called up one of her hospitals. Yeah, yeah, called it one of their doctor friends and was like hey, we'll give you a piece of the Pie if you say it was like just pneumonia and America. And so he signed it off. And the people people was just get them drunk, get them cold and make it just dousement water. Well, they said they wanted it to look if anyone was going to look into this, they wanted it to look natural, and so they didn't want there to be any like evidence of strigulation or a struggle or anything like that. And it was a pretty natural looking desk. She got drunk, left the window open, got a little wet, froze Um and so, uh, and they got away with it. So the first one they did was murder. Yeah, I said, could they merge her murdering people? And you went, well, it started pretty pretty innocent. Is that the word? You used. I don't remember exactly what he said. Did you say innocent and then describe a murder? Because that's what it seems like I might. It started pretty innocent. You know, the first guy was just his girlfriend, you know, just some poor girl who had no idea and uh, you know, got her drunk, thumbed some water on her and it was left her for dead. It just left the window open. Okay, yeah, yeah, I guess it wasn't that innocent. Yeah, it started. So it started at murder. I thought you were gonna be like yeah, I mean it started pretty simple, like they just, you know, put a cast on an arm that wasn't broken. You know that the doctor be like and then, AH, you know, they collected some insurance money. They went straight to murder. Didn't didn't even pass go and collect twos, they just went straight to murder. I will say I don't think that was where it started. I think there was some other light frauds that committed before this. I think this was where, uh, there's a pivot point when they realized hey, we could kill someone and people wouldn't notice. Um, Yeah's also in the thirties. You could just do that anyway. It's true. Yeah, Um. So then they started thinking, well, Hey, um, what if we could take out a few more insurance policies on somebody? If they didn't know, we could get a bunch like different from different financial organizations, get that to add up to a bunch of money and then, yeah, and then make off with a bunch more money because they made I think they made two thousand dollars off of, Um, that girlfriend's policy, which was, I don't know, uh during the depression. Yeah, let me let me check. Still, it was a good chunk of change. In the thirties. That's probably forty. Yeah, but even still, like that's not you're you're splitting this between uh, five guys, six guys. Um, so it comes up to thirty three grand. But then you're splitting that five ways. So everyone walked away with like a month's rent. Okay. Uh. So it really wasn't that significant of UH murder. And so they were like, how can we make some more money off of this? And so they started devising this plan. And but also, you've got like five other guys you gotta Trust. Yeah, yeah, that's that's why it's called the murder trust. Yeah, trust, that's what we're gonna get. That makes sense. Okay. Uh So then the plan was, hey, let's let's take this out. A bunch of different financial institutions on the same person. Will create a fake identity for them and then we'll we'll kill them, plant the identity, like the I D cards and stuff on them after they die. Let them get discovered. There's the ID cards, and then whoever is the fake sibling or whoever took up the policy will have fake I d stuff. They'll go colo act and then we split the cash. Um. Okay, flawless plan. And then they thought, oh wait, who are we gonna kill? Well, I mean, if you're gonna do fake I D S, couldn't you just, you know, you could really ride the same body a couple different cover different times. You know, just keep dropping, keep dropping different ideas in and put them in different place. This word, so you think. You just roll up into predential and like I got a dead person. Here's this idea to get an insurance playing one. I'm like a week ago in the thirties they were like it, we're so busy with the depression. You know, you gotta take you gotta Way too much. Get that body out of here. You know, they were so prisy they didn't care. They was like yeah, sure, take the money, get back to depressing. You know. They're like there, like hey, nobody's allowed in here, the sciences employees. That was a stress joked. Give me some time, I'll figure that out by the end of the episode. All right, no, okay. So, uh, they were like, Hey, well, who are we gonna kill? Right, we gotta FIGURE OUT WHO WE'RE gonna kill. Um. Coincidentally, UH, there was a epidemic of alcohol poisoning during the prohibition because everybody was making their own alcohol, right, seriously, very strong Um, and people were killing themselves by too much of this alcohol, too strong. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot. In one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or, if you're watching on youtube, leave a comment. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets who were separated at birth, knows to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in the episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one. I said, perfect, let's just find a local drunk and that's stage and alcohol poisoning. Um. And so, coincidentally enough for them, there was a guy by the name of Mike Malloy who frequented Tony Marinos speakeasy. They actually banned him from it because he had an unpaid tab that was very, very large. Um. He a little bit about you want to make even on your tab? A little bit about Mike Malloy. He's Uh an Irish born immigrant, Um, from the county of Donegal, Ireland, Um, and he was a firefighter who got fired for drinking on the job in in New York, in New York. Yeah, so this guy is not going to go down with alcohol poisoning. I know where the story is going. I know they tried to kill him, but he's Irish and he's a firefighter, right. And so he woke up and was like so they called up they called up Mike, they said Hey, Mike, longtime no see, we miss having you around the speakeasy. He's like, I didn't pay, though, and they're like, you know what, your Tab's cleared and honestly, we just miss having you here, so let's wrack up a bigger tab, buddy. They just said, hey, drinks all drinks around the house for you. You can have whatever you want, drink as much as you want. You're clear. And so he's like, well, that sounds like a deal. And so he shows up at like noon and they just party with him to the night. They're like, let's just keep it going, keep it going, and they just keep feeding this guy more drinks Um, hoping that, uh, he'd give himself. But with every drink he takes he grows stronger, grows another head. Uh. So you were right. Uh, he doesn't. He doesn't, doesn't get um, he drinks a whole bunch, gets super drunk, passes out. They were like, and they're like perfect, he's gonna die. Perfect, he's gonna die. Yeah, he didn't. He came back the next day at like nude and drunk all day again, and this happened like three or four times and we can't get this guy to drink himself into the grave. So they said, what are we gonna do? Um, banned him again. Well, one of the friends in the group Um before the Great Depression and he got laid off. He was a chemist, and so he said, Hey, I've got an idea. Um, let's get a little light poisoning and fault with this light fraud, and so dabble in poisoning someone. So he gets some wood alcohol, UM, which is basically pure methanol. Um. Honestly, the thing that we could describe it closest to today is and I freeze Um. And they're like, let's just give him a bunch of that and tell us this new drink that we're testing, and like you can test out this new drink. Um. We think, like, we're not sure if everyone else is going to have the stomach for it, but you got like an Irom. So so they get him a drunk. They give him, they start giving this wood alcohol and he just slammed. Someone dumps water on him. He's like, Hey, what's that? Are you cold blowing on the what's going on? Viti was the other one. That was the other one. That was the other play. This is why we don't about you this anymore. I'm not about of the murder trust anymore. Shut your mouth talking about the murder dress. Shut your mouth. He's next we have. Do we have a do we have a life insurance policy on Viti if maybe you can drink as much as he wants. No, no tab. Why don't you start drinking? Uh? So he's just pounding these wood alcohol glasses like no effect, like just slamming them, uh, and they're like this is gonna catch up with them eventually, at the end of the night, late and early in the morning, like yes, they're perfect. So he leaves, he goes home, shows up the next day around dude, and that was great, guys. Uh. So skin is clearer, looking healthier. You know, it's some more of that new drink. It's well what uh? Some chemists have evaluated this situation, uh since, and what they said that they can happen is, uh, they got him drunk before they gave him the wood alcohol. Um, and traditional alcohol is ethanol. Ethanol, uh, breaks down methanol, and so it doesn't have any effect on your body. And so if you pro Tipu pro tip, pro tip, if you ever drink any freeze drink a bunch of alcohol, because that is literally the cure. Um, it breaks down the ANI, freezing your stomach, and that's how you get out of there without dying. And that's what the guy told me when I was super driving him once. I was like, man, you look, are you okay? Like you look like you've had too much. No, I drink some anti freeze earlier, and so, honestly, I'm just doing the responsible thing, you know, and I'm just trying to get just drinking them to way more. I'm just trying to survive. Ye, Hey, dude, look at you. Keep proud of you, man, taking care of your body. I mean that's great awareness, man. Uh. So they said they filled his body with ethanol, so that way, when he drank the methanol freeze, there's the cure. Natty, like right where those their commercials? It's terrible. Uh. And so it didn't work and they were like dumbfounded that this didn't work. Uh. And so one of the guys in the group was like, Hey, I heard about this guy who was this thing called bullets. There's no way he'll survive, right. I heard about this guy who ate some oysters while drinking whiskey. Uh, and apparently there was like a chemical reaction, and so they found some of the sounds of the people who were like, dude, if you eat pop rocks and drink soda, your stomach will explode. Did you know that? Have you ever heard that before? So they said. So what they did? Do you know if you sleep with your contacts and your eyes will fall out? Let's put some contexts in his eyes. Don't tell him. Do you know that? If you put someone's hand in water while they're sleeping, they'll beat themselves? You won't kill him, but it'll be pretty funny. So what he said is they took these uh rotten oysters, okay, and they said, Hey, I forget the whiskey. Let's pickle them in wood alcohol. And so they took a that of that would alcohol through a bunch of rotten oysters in there and let them get pickled. Um. I love, I love. They're so confident that they're like this smells terrible, it looks awful and Mike's gonna eat it. He's gonna, you know, it's kind of a given that he's gonna eat it, like it doesn't no matter how it smells or what color it is or what it looks like like Mike's probably gotta eat this. You know, I love that they took that for granted. They were like, obviously he'll eat it, you know, no question about it. And then they're all joking around, laughing later and there and Mike's like Ah, you're killing it, but they were like we're trying, Mikey, we're trying to kill you so hard, man. I mean it's true. They totally were just like yeah, he'll eat it. Um He did. A couple of days later, after they pickled it, they served on this plate of these oysters and he asked second sounds like the kind of dude who, a couple of years ago, when I first proved to Kan city, one of the major news stories was that guy who wrote around in a four wheler naked. Did you see that, chased around on four thirty five and all that stuff? That is this guy. Yeah, I think I think you're right on it. Might it might be him. What if he ate enough rotten oysters that, you know, that's why the Queen's so old. You know, it's because she ate a lot. Her secret is up. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's great. Yet so people I mean the royal families kept that pretty, pretty secret, pretty secret. So, UH, a couple of days later, after they pickled these oysters, uh, they fed it to him and he sure enough, just ate him and they fed and they were like there's like, Hey, here's the news thing we got. Yeah, they're like, Hey, man, we got a new yeah. Well, they made him a plate of him and he loved him so much he asked for seconds and they were like okay, Um. So they got him drunk again. He went home, came back the next day totally fine, UM, which, I'm gonna be honest with you, like I don't know what they expected with that. Like I feel like that's like a Oh, he's gonna get food poisoning, he's probably gonna throw up, but it's like is he gonna die? It's a ridiculous plan to me. I know what they expected. They expected him to not. You're right, but also, these guys are not starting to sound very smart. So so. So the next day they said we gotta up to Annie Um next, day after day after day, sing seven weeks, seven assassination tips and not even knowing and you're just like, dude, I'm having them the best week, like he just keep giving me freeze stuff. Yeah, so he comes into the speakeasy and uh, there's what's the password there? Do we know? UH, time for Malloy to die. Malloy die, Malloy murder, party of five. Yep, you didn't. Here you go. He's not hungover every day. I mean I'm sure he's Hungover, but he's the cure for hangover is just more, is more. So he comes in and the speakeasy and uh, he gets in there and UH, they had made a new meal for him and they said, hey, we got a new dish we want you to try, and he's like absolutely, you've been making great food lately. Brought it out, he ate the plate. They were like not Mike. Yeah, he's like, dude, I I know my dishes, you know, and that's a good dish. It's a good dish, this chewing the porcelain thing. They made a sandwich for him and the Sandwich consisted of an old shoe, an old literally an old can of Sardine's that had just been under the counter. Biting that can. Well, wait, uh, there's the sardines. Uh. And then they sprinkled on a little bit of rat poison as if it was like a vinaigrette. Uh. And then they put in some broken glass, some carpet tax uh, like just this thing's gotta look like what's that episode of Spongebob where he makes that really nasty looking crabby patty? You know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, it's gotta look worse than that, right, I don't know, but sure enough, good old Mike Malloy eats the whole thing and it's like hey, this is pretty good, pretty good, he's leading. MUST HAVE BIT my tongue. No Way. They just can't kill this guy. And honestly, I've eaten that. I have not eaten the sandwich, but I made a kid eat that when I was a youth pastor. So like youth camp there, and that's a wild yeah, that is a pretty youth pastory sandwich. Yeah, Sardines and broken glass. Next time you gotta be like you guys got any if you eat this whole thing, I'll dye my hair blonde. It's like every every pastor. If you eat that whole thing, I'll do something very trindy. Like what are you talking about, dude? That's not even I'll buy a Gucci sweater. Yeah, I did. I bet my friend a pair of sneakers. You wouldn't need that. So, oh my gosh, that's so funny. UH, yeah, so, uh, this guy's just that time and the murder trust gets together and they're like like hey, none of this is working. We need we can't call ourselves the murder trust anymore unless we can murder some we can't murder anybody, but we can't be the murder trust if our murders aren't trustworthy. Uh. And so they said, what are we gonna do? We gotta, we gotta. This isn't working. He said, Hey, hey, hey, hey, are you're doing all of them? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, they said. We got off the rails, guys, we didn't do what we know how to do. We're over here trying to poison the guy who were freezers, freezers, we should have trying to poison the guy. That's not what we have experienced in yeah, Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is, and if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there, you get all sorts of perks like add free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking us out. So the next day malloy shows up to speakeasy. They get them really drunk and they say, Hey, another one of those sandwiches. I'm Bro to him. They didn't. He asked. He asked. theders his carpet taste. Where's that? Well, I see it, only broken glass, glass smashes. It May. They come in and he's just like here's one. He's like he's doing the whole thing right. He cuts it into four pieces. Right, he uses toothpicks to make it a club sandwich. He's the toothpick with it, right, I'm talking about it. He's the kind of guy that asks for extra toothpicks in his club sandwich because he likes the way it feels in his mouth. You know, this guy's bonkers. Hey, Tony, you're a poison. Yeah, Oh man, okay, yeah, that's UH. He's got his feet in the fryers right, because it feels good, right, foliating his feet with the air with them with the French fry fryers. Totdale is stuck in the fire. Uh. Yeah. So, Um, they get him really drunk again, yea. And they they convinced him to what. They convince him that there's like some events are gonna get he tried to do this earlier to him. I don't know. I don't know if they wanted to go bowling or like. I don't know what they said, but they were like. They're like, they're like hey, Mike, want to go bowling? And it's again. And so they walk him out in the park, uh, and they wait till he passes out and lay him out on Um a park bench. This is February in New York, very cold. They take his shirt, they dump five gallons of water on him and they just peece out. And so they expected, here we go, we got him. We froze them. That's what we know how to do. Um, the next day they're hanging out in the speakeasy and vinny's like, Hey, guys, kill that guy. Yet we dumped some water on him last night and he's like that's what I tried to do a week ago. Yeah, and you guys have been giving me rat poison ever since. Uh. And then, uh, right on cue, Mike Walks into the speech, arms frozen up with a brand new shirt. Hey, guys, can't put his arms down. It's frozen. I don't know what happened, but I've frozen. Something froze me last night. Came the air fire side of a thaw. Slowly goes in like you like you do to a hot tub, you know where you try to like slowly. Uh. Well, what happened? He's laying in the fire. There's a fireplace. He's laying in it. He's like sorry, guys, I was gonna he's just he's like Oh yeah, that was pretty crazy. Right. Guys, you were like what is going went on? Dude picking little carpet tax out of his teeth. Uh. So what happened was the crew went home, he sat there frozen and drunk for a little bit and then the police found him and they were like, oh, we'll go take this guy to a homeless shelter. They drop him off there. The homeless shelter, gives them new clothes, thaws them out and then sends him on his Merry Way. And he wakes up the next morning no memory of any of it and it's just like, yeah, I woke open this homeless shelter and they gave me a new shirt, and then he's like, you guys want to drink. So at this point the murder trust is frustrated. They can't do what they're good at, they can't do what they're not to that they're just failing left and right. This is not worth their investment in time now, because now they're looking. I mean, you really like break this down right. This is how freelancers work. You know, you get a good chunk of that insurance fraud money, right, but when you break it down to the amount of hours that you're putting into these, well, you also got to they're doing minimum wage. You also got to think all the alcohol that they've spent on from saying like there's the cost of this is starting to push. It's hard to write that off. You know you can't write off murder expenses on your taxes. Can I get on a call with the Triple Tax Guy? Hey? Yeah, so we were murdering this guy earlier this year. And what do I label this in quick books if I use this to take somebody out? Um. So they said, you know what we needed? We need to hire an expert. They got to bring somebody else in. So they hire mob Hitman, and the mob Hitman is like, Oh, this is easy. He's like, you're a taxi driver. He's like, you guys tried freezing him? What? Alcohol? Sardines? He's like. He's like, this is easy, you're you're a taxi cab driver. And he's like, let's who's the tash scared or one of the one of the trusters? Um, and so, uh, he's like, let's uh, let'shit him with the event together. You guys are gonna meet up somewhere, parked the cab around the corner. When he walked in the corner, hit him. You know, Oh, I was. And so they set this up. They stayed this thing for him to meet them at some place on the other side of town and take the cab out there. And as he walked by, they just they hit him at forty five, run him over, uh, and they freaked out. They're like, oh, he is super dead. And so they ran because they had never done anything this violent before. They killed somebody and they tried to kill this guy a lot. But everything that they've done to this point, this is like nine attempts. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot of attempts. Um. And so they ran. They freaked out because this was the most violent like murder that they had ever committed. I mean these are all like. This is a guy, it was a chemist, a taxi cab driver. These aren't cold blood of killers, these are just they had to hire a consultant. You know, we gotta bringing the big guns. And when they said that, they should have thought guns. We gotta bring in the big guns. Oh, really, really, that would be wait easier. The mob guy, mob. Okay, Um, well, I guess they still needed to look like an accident for the insurance. Yeah, so they were cautiously optimistic at this point. They they yeah, we're getting with the cab last night and they went back to the speakeasy and waited through the day. He didn't show up. Next Day didn't show up. Next Day didn't show up. So they said, okay, surely he he actually died, and so they started trying to go find him because he was three days. They had to get the paper. M I was just trying the timeline. Right Friday they hit him with a cab. Saturday. They were feeling pretty confident. Sunday was just around the corner. Hang on on this. In the speakeasy Sunday morning and the door literally rolls off the hinges. They're like, who opens doors like that? They went out searching for him and somebody said, why do you look here? There was some gardener in the city. There's no garden anywhere nearby, and he's like, guys, it's me, it's me, Michael Halloy. It's me Michael Malloy. A will the cabs ever picks him up, drove seven miles, didn't even realize him. Are that? Someone's like, all right, I don't believe that's him until I see I see their cards and his teeth. All Right, okay, Thomas, this is what that guy meant. We had a guy who's really annoyed who said to so many emails about how many Bible related jokes we make, and this is what he means. Yeah, it's like it's like you're blasphemous man. Honestly, I would hope that people who listen to it. Are encouraged by how well we know the scriptions. We understand all right. So here's the deal. This put them in the position where, speaking of Bible Jokes, uh, we talked about this in Biblicool a lot. Where is the body? You have to know. Where is the body to prove? Well, yeah, they can't claim the insurance if they don't know. Yeah, you have to bring the body to predential. Say Look, you got I'd like to claim a life insurance. You got the body. So that the other place that says nobody is allowed employees only. You're saying that this life insurance place is employees and you have like you got to bring you have to bring a government I d you gotta have a check, right, and you have to have the body with you. The documents they require are it's pretty insane. It's like, can I have a photo copy of the dead body? Yeah, to have the original. You have to. I don't have the original. Can I all overnight? It all overnight. The body got to work for us. Can I submitted electronically? Yeah, yeah, can I just take a picture on my phone and send it to you? That's worse. That's worse. I think, Oh my God, why do you have a picture of your dead uncle on your phone? It's an insurance thing. Yeah, I forgot to take it off. I forgot to Leet that picture. Okay, so where's the body? They gotta find the body. Where is it? Who's got this thing? They go to the mall and it's a mannequin. Someone's propped it up to him. They start going to all the uh local hospitals, being like hey, did this guy check in? It's my brother. I haven't been able to find them. And they're checking all these places. They can't find them. They've been to every hospital and no one has a record of them. They're looking around trying to track this guy down. They call insurance and they try to open the claim it. Insurance is like, well, you got to see the body. They were just Sherwin Williams, the paint store, and they found him just scoop and paint and drinking it. Michael, he's double, double hand is lapping up some paint. Why not? I mean the guy's crazy. If he laughs like a dog, send him home. Uh So, uh, it's another Bible joke. So they they try to open up these shirts with a cant uh and UH, they're they're looking everywhere, right, right. One day they're back and speak easy and they're like, I don't I think we just do another I think we have to pick out another drunk. And as they're coming up with their plan, trying to pick out pick up, the door opens, Mike Willoly wags in a couple of casts. Clearly he injured. You guys are never gonna I got hit by a cab. I saw you. Ever heard from me in a few weeks? Hey, by the way, years outside, did you hear a deer or something? Yeah, you got a big old dead actually matches my back and I was like, well, that's my but I know. I know my butt when I see it, you know. So uh, he's just like yeah, you guys are Never gonna believe this. They got hit by a car. was in the hospital for a few weeks. Like what hospital were that? We were at that hospital. They called the hospital. They're like hey, we came looking for our friend and he was there and like Ah, we forgot to put it in the records. That's a people are like Oh, yeah, we forgot. Sorry, might be Ibot to write it down. So the problem persists. Michael is still alive, Um, injured. It was still alive and so frustrated, Um, and coming close to not profiting on this whole in Denver, the crew decides they're gonna get him drunk again, and I hope that works. Just kidding. They're gonna get him drunk again, take him into one of the back rooms to speakeasy and connect a hose to one of the coal events, because they had the coal heaters, and just hold it on his mouth until he dies of carbon monoxide poisoning. Okay, took about an hour, Um, and then he went unconscious and they were like, all right, he's dead. took him to the same uh doctor from before and they said, Hey, we'll give you a cut if you say it was car from say it was pneumonia, which to me I'm like, that was was made is in casts. He got a pneumonia. He got pneumonia, so doctor was like sure, so you wat a death certificate. Got Pneumonia. They sent it off to all these all these insurance agencies, and the insurance agencies are like, all right, here's money. They got hold on dollars which today would be seventy three Um, but they had spent about two thousand dollars on an alcohol and Ron Startin's and stuff like that. UH, so profit about less than the first UH murder. But they got away with this one. And then two months later, yeah, a couple months later, uh, Mike or not Mike? Uh, I believe it was. So he died, though. He actually did die this time. He did die. Joseph, Joseph. I was really hoping he's gonna be like yeah, he pulled through. Na, no, Joseph Murphy Um got arrested on unrelated charges, totally unrelated, and the insurance company was looking at this case and they're like something's little fishy about this, and so they tried to contact Joseph, but nobody like this guy. They couldn't get ahold of the homeless shelter. Nights before that, hit by a cab and then carbon and then got pneumonia, like there's some strange stuff going on here, um. And so they started trying to contact Joseph for further questioning. But he's in jail because he got Um arrestaurants some other unrelated charge. Um, probably alcohol or whatever. In the prohibition. So he's he's in jail. They can't contact him. So they contact the local authorities and say hey, we want to look further into this. So we start the body. You want to examine it? So they call it another corner for a second opinion, and the body is clearly carbon monoxide poisoned, and they're like yeah, that wasn't pneumonia, this was carbon monoxide poisoning, and they're like oh well, that's strange. So then they did some further investigating the doctor. They started asking everybody who knew Mike Malloy, and the Nice thing about having five people and then a separate doctor and a separate mob person involved in your murder is they all talked about Mike Malloy and how hard he was to kill. Just openly. Oh Yeah, we killed this guy, we tried to take this guy out, and then the door opens they're like, Oh yeah, you and that guy that crawled in the fire yesterday. We've been trying to kill for months. He won't die invincible. Uh and UH. Someone heard and was like, Oh yeah, that was those guys. Uh. And then I heard down at the but then you're in a real conundrum, right because down at the windy's barber, no, I haven't heard about him, never met never mind. Sorry. Is that the yeah, draco right from Harry Potter? Right, DRACO Malloy. That's what I was thinking of. That's what I was thinking of. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, detective. Yeah, yeah, no, I never knew him. Are you sure? I swear I never knew him. No, I'm pretty sure I saw it. No, I never knew him. You know, as another Bible Joke, the detectives daughter walks in. It's like you hell, that guy, that guy. Okay, they're just getting really ridiculous. So, uh, they connect them to it, they arrest them, they try them and it was it was actually uh, two of the doctor and one of the other guys in the group uh got lengthy prison sentences. Um, I don't know exactly how long, but the other four got sentenced to death in the electric chair. So, like they weren't messing around with this. Um, it's pretty crazy. Uh, all four what today would be seventy three grand that they split six ways. Yeah, so they did not. It was not worth it for them. I'm not that killing anybody's ever crazy. Survived the electric chair. They're the fantastic four. was like hit him with a cap, like hey, we got a consultant. He said we aired this because, he said, in them with the CAP. That's crazy. Yeah, so Mike Malloyd just didn't die. These people got labeled the Murder Trust, Um, and then pretty quickly the government was like we should get rid of prohibition. Uh, this was stressful, I do. I feel so bad from Mike Delloyd, though, because this whole time this poor guy thinks he's just got this great group of friends and he's all like super lucky, giving him that hung out with the cool kids. But you knew the cool kids were all making fun of it. They're just messing with them. They were just trying to kill him and cash on policy. Yeah, rich kids, uh so. Yeah, poor Mike Malloy. anyways, Hey, I mean to be honest, though. I didn't he die thinking he had friends? That is a good point. Yeah, he thought, he thought everyone loved him. Well, probably not. When they were just shoving out host down his throat. The very he was like, he's like this is I don't like this drake. This isn't as good as the saying what you give, give me the sandwich instead. Um. But yeah, rumor has it, uh that, uh, there's a barbershop in the Bronx Uh and if you go to the back of that barbershop and you pull Harry Potter and the sorcerer's stone off the shelf Um at five o'clock in the afternoon, then you can still hear the sound. Well, fiddle off. Things on them last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Betts. Social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg, our host, or Jarren Meyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. THAT'S T I L O in podcast. Leave a review, comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on them last night


The great depression was one of the most challenging times in history. The financial uncertainty of the time led many to nefarious forms of income. Unfortunately for Mike Malloy, others looked to more extreme measures. Over a few months in early 1933, a group of five directed by Tony Marino repeatedly attempted to kill Malloy to claim a significant life … Read More

Rendlesham Forest Incident – The Best Documented UFO Sighting In History

07-26-22

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anyways a man. Have you ever heard of the randel sham forest, the Randall Sham, Randall Rendel Sham forest, rindle Sham, rendel sham forest, Randall Shack, Rindell Sham forest, different words, right? Randell Sham, Randall Sham is one word, one single word. Randall Sham forest forests ever word, another word. Okay, Um, yeah, so I thought you were saying a sham forest, like a fake one. This forest is so the Rendall Sham is. What is this? It's a forest in Suffolk. Uh UK, England. Um, it is, uh, I don't know. I don't know a lot about this. Great I appreciate your honesty. Yeah, but I wasn't hot enough to use dating APPS like this. If I got swiped on, I had to allies on it. Yeah, I would immediately get cut open on a table. And are for sure? I mean I would cut them open on a table at the golden corral. One of my fears is that I'll be the one of us that encounters an alien. Oh, I'm sorry, you're not a homeowner. Things I learned last night. What I'm interested in talking to you about is in the Ryndelstam forest there are these two military bases, Um, and they they're they're owned by the UK. Um. But after World War Two, during the UH, what do you call it? The Cold War? Okay, during the Cold War, everybody was like really worried about, you know, nukes and the Russians and stuff. Uh. And so the UK, and I'm already interested in the history of all of this, Um, because I don't know, I'm I'm interested in how this played out because the UK invited America to come and use the two military basis they had here, um called, uh, Woodbridge, Um and bent water. I think Woodbridge and bent water. Um. And they said, hey, why don't you guys hang out here and UH and some hang out here, you hang out here and if Russia seems like they're getting a little Nuki, what if you knew them first? That's I think that was the idea, because at the time England did not have they weren't there, and so they were like we got our friends who are a little bit bigger than us. Well, let him hang out in our military base and get those big necks from the US. I heard they put chains on their head. Uh. And so they were hanging out there. Um. And I'm this is a total sidebar, but I'm curious if this is where, Um, the whole the United States having bass is everywhere started, because no other country does that. Yeah, that's the imperialism. Well, I'm curious if this is how that began, though, because, like, because, because that's a really strange thing to just go to another country and be like hey, what if we put an Air Force space? Like if you're the ones, yeah, but like if the people with nukes show up at your door and they're like this is what if we had a room in this house, you'd be like, yeah, Yep, you can have two rooms and you want and big water. If my neighbors came over and the threatening thing about them was they have nukes, then I want to be very threatened because if they use it, they're dead too. We're next door neighbors, but that's well, no, I'm in like, okay, so what if I came to your house forty minutes away? All right, that's what outside the nuke zone? Yeah, actually, yeah, I'd be worried. I'd be worried two bedrooms in your house. I need two bedrooms in your house, and I said no, not that one. There's a creepy girl all down there. All Right, I've been trying to convince him his house is haunted. Yeah, every time he leaves he will turn down to my stairs, my basement stairs, and say bye because she's there. Like I've got to believe him, like I'm here more than you are. I've never seen the girl. Okay, Oh, yeah, we did try to do this thing today. Okay, so there's a new girl that works downstairs and yesterday I walked in, she's in the break room and I was like, we had a full conversation and then I came up here and I said, Hey, who's that girl downstairs? I don't know who that is. Uh. And then Tim walked in today and he was like Hey, I don't know who that girl is either, and I was like perfect, I got a plan. Yeah, so I went back downstairs because she was still in the break room. Still she doesn't and she was in the break room again. I was getting water. Struck up a conversation and I told Tim to come in and then I was like all right, Tim, you come in and be like who are you talking to? Let's pretend that only one of us can see her. This is gonna be so funny. And then I was gonna be like, can you talk to you? Is gonna be like, Oh, this is, I don't know, whatever her name was, la, and then and then introduced me to her. I don't like. There's there's no one there, which is hilarious. It's so funny that you couldn't do it. It's so funny. I broke. I broke. I literally turned to him and I said, and then started laughing, which to her, let's just down there and you go. You Go, bitched over, right, and then I got to look back and be like I spilled the water. I was filling up all over myself. Walked out of the room. Yeah, and I said, you see him too, right. I said, do you see that guy? You see that guy? Is he a real or is that just me? I could have savaged it, dad, come and I should have thought about no, we decided anybody knew in our building, we're going to pretend that only one of us can see her or him or whoever they are, which is apparently what Tim is doing to me with that girl on his basement. I knew you can see her. So anyways, uh, so the US start. They they started just hanging out at Woodbridge and bent waters Um, which to me feels backwards. I feel like it should be like, uh, I don't know, Wood Bridt bent would water bridge makes more than Wood Bridge bent waters. Anyways, a sidebar. This whole episode has been a Sidebar so far. Great, uh so. anyways, renders from forest uh is a significant place because on December um there was a group of servicemen that were on Um Guard, as you do at military bases Um, and they witnessed what they thought was a plane crash, and so they asked permission to go inspect. And here's the thing, Gosh, I hate that you like my face did not even hide that either, dad Um. You saw it your head. You saw my face go go all right, about jared, I know, I know he is the best part about this is, as happens with all of our earlien episodes, for whatever reason, people are gonna find this and we have spent fourteen minutes every time. was just thinking that. I just my brain immediately went to the youtube comments. Holy Cal there's gonna be so many comments that are like, I gave up with too much giggling. Oh my gosh, I gave up in the story about not being able to see that girl. UH, okay, well, I mean, Dang it, man. All right, so here's what happened. Uh, they saw what they thought was a plane crash, right, and so they asked for permission to go investigate because obviously, like, you see a plane crash, like you gotta go help some people, right. Um, that plane just got struck by lightning and I just saw someone falling feet from the sky. Um, and so they asked for permission to go check it out. Here's the problem. They are, uh, to use the same example that we just painted. If you, with your nukes, were living in two bedrooms of my house, you do not have jurisdiction elsewhere, just in those two bedrooms. So even if you witnessed a plane crash in the living room, it's not your job. Yeah, all you can do is be like, Hey, someone clean that up. Hey, by the way, I don't know if you guys heard, that's a plane crash in the living room. I can't do anything about it, though. I don't, can't get past this baby gate. Um. And so they had to go up. Like, is that what you tell your wife whenever she's like, would you please pick up after yourself or over here and you're like, that's not my jurisdiction, I don't have jurisdiction over that area. You want something done in the backyard or the garage or my office, that's my jurisdiction, but downstairs that belongs to her. This is your jurisdiction. No, the girl, that's the ghosts. That's the ghost jurisdiction. Um, next time a B may is out trying to fix something in my basement. A B May, Oh, I'm sorry, you're not a homeowner. That was the girl's name. I thought you went from pretending that ghosts didn't exist to referencing or I didn't know. Yeah, the next time out is a company that like. They do home warranties and they fixed like your water heater. You know about that. Yeah, whatever, anyways. Uh, so the they needed, they needed to go out there, but they weren't supposed to write. It's yet there. It's not to understand the analogy. Um. And so, uh, luckily the commanding officer at the time was just like yeah, go ahead, and so they went. And so they went out there, drove out into the forest, uh, to check it out. Let's see what happened, and they saw this kind of light illuminating from within the forest and as they got closer they were expecting to find a fire, a fire, it's a down crash that they expected. Well, that's not what they found. Uh. Tell me what they found, Tim Uh. They found a craft. Um. It was a kind of craft, back and cheese necklace. Triangular craft was stilts at each of the points that it had landed on on these stilts, Um, and it had almost like a UH. It was described as looking as if it was like black glass. The whole thing was black glass. Um, and it was. It wasn't huge, but it wasn't smaller. I mean it was probably smaller than an F eighteen, but bigger than a Prius, you know, you know the typical things people used, the size objects. It's probably smaller than a ten, bigger than a Prius, somewhere around uh, for an expedition. Sure now you're checking. Um, this is decently large. Um. What was interesting is as they got closer to this thing, Um, uh, there was some interesting Um things that they were noting the trees around them. Did they say it was? I don't know, I don't I don't remember ever seeing a record of how hall it was. Um, yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't know that. Um, but they noted that the trees around it seemed to have been affected by its landing, like they were like scuffed or something, you know. And Uh, what's phenomenal about this is there was a group of three soldiers, sergeant and two lower ranking officers, that went out to investigate this. And the sergeant said, I'm going to try to get closer, get closer. Look, you guys, hang back here. I'M gonna try to get closer and he described us. As he tried to get closer, he described that Um, uh, he started feeling really wonky. He said he almost had like it almost felt kind of like Vertigo E or or like walking, felt like he was walking underwater. Um, and so it's really strange feelings, almost some sort of field, if you will. Um. Yeah, or like he was after Christmas. Yeah, December, twenty six day after Um, and so it's just as likely, but go ahead. So, as he uh, gets closer, he said there came a point where he got pretty much right up on this object and all of a sudden that effect just dissipated and and then he said things got really eerily quiet. Once he got closer to it and he was able to actually reach out and touch it and he felt this thing and he walked around the back of it Um and was just kind of examining it and he said it was really strange because, he said it it did. It look like black glass, but it was like, when you felt it, it felt like metal, but there was no rivets, there was no like weld points or anything that showed that it was like construct together. It was almost like it was three D printed. He didn't have the words for that. I just thought of that. Good example. Great job, Tim Uh, the counseling's working man. Look at you affirming yourself. He went around the back and on the back there was this uh, there was a what do you call it? A inscription, if you will. He's telling me these aliens got bomber stickers. There was an inscription and it said follow Jesus this close. You were going, yeah, my son's an eagle scout or whatever. So the inscription. Yeah, so there's an inscription on the back of it and he described it as being almost like, uh, it was like a pictographed like like like hieroglyphics, and so there's like shapes and triangles, like this is a spaceship that has n't has hard and he said it was etched and he said was really interesting because, like you, you felt the whole craft and it was smooth, super smooth metal, like glass. But then when you got over that part, he said, it felt like sandpaper. Um, and it was like etched in, like they actually scratched out these symbols. Um. And so he felt used to those symbols. Um. And then, uh, he kind of took a step back and turned back to talk to his team and this thing takes off and zooms out between the trees, uh, and then just kind of takes off into the sky. Um, and then left him there. Yeah, I just ditched. Uh. And they went back to base and told everyone the story of what they witnessed and everybody made fun of him. They said, Y'all are stupid as that. There's there. Remember, they're in their own room. Nobody else is there. So one of the other Americans on this was like stupid Americans, stupid Americans, like you're one of us, not tonight, I'm not, not when you say stuff like that, um. And so have you told anyone else about this? Yeah, let's keep this between us. Yes, the secret. So they didn't file a report on this. After this event, the rumors were getting around. Everybody was kind of joking about this UFO. That was seen right. Um. Well, a couple of days later, on December twenty, they're having their Christmas party and they invited the UK's over, is that? They invited the UK's? Yeah, they said, Hey, big Christmas party, U K is welcome. Hey, I don't know about everybody else, but as far as I go, U K is okay. You know, that is so dumb. Uh. They were like you can come to our party. So that yeah, they invited them. Where they threw their party? They were giving out there, there, handing out there year in England, in the UK, I think. So when is their New Year? I think it's the same January one. I hope you can hear me typing the you can't, okay. So it was a summer twenty eight thing. Through this big party, everybody was welcome, all the UK's, all the Americans, none of the Irish. And what they did, uh, and it was like it was like the there's the big year in Party and they were giving out awards to everybody. It was like why did you give me Alex both? I don't know what we're laughing at. I'm glad you're going to trying to say year in. He said there's the big year in Party. You're in, and I looked like did I? Alex's face was like yeah, he said you're in the believe it in. That's funny. That's really funny. All right. Well, so there's the big year in and what they're doing? They're doing their little superlatives, like their local general is like best improved. Yeah, Best Army, biggest idiot, that guy who said they're UFO. What? Yeah, and so he's given out all these superlatives, right, and the second command, the Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt, was in there, you know, basically first command, because the other guy was occupied giving out the awards. That's how it works. Yeah, Oh, the president's giving out awards right now. So I am president. Yeah, anytime like a president is like reading the children or something. Vice President sitting in the corner, like this is my time. He just over there, like if you knew anything to talk to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, president, thank you. Yeah, this is yeah, this is me. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show. Make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment. Uh, if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh. It's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff. And there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites, but thanks for being here. So, uh, the UH Lieutenant Colonel Charles Hall is uh, it's the acting commander right. Uh. And UH, one of the people, because obviously how many people had seen the aircraft? Three people. Well, there's three people who saw it, and then there was their commanding officer. That was like their basic aison. He didn't see it, but he was on radio with them. There's one guy who touched it. One Guy who touched it, she was standing looking at it. That actually saw it as well. Yeah, and then one that was talking to the monsh though I don't know if he saw the plane crash, Um, but he directed them as they yeah, Um, and so, uh, the way this party worked is obviously everybody there's the group that was partying, and then there was the group, the have nots, that lost the away competition, and they to keep watch over the base. Thank you for a big brother reference. I like that. And so they had to watch over the base while everybody else got the party. Uh. And one of them comes in and he's like Hey, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt Um, talked to each other. He's a Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt Uh. That thing is back, the UFO thing. Uh. And he was like, okay, I'm gonna put this to rest. He's like, he's like this this is the guy who had not seen it. Yeah, he hadn't seen it. He's the second in command over the whole base. Um. And he is a like he was pretty yeah, sick of this. I'm tired of you kids and your Ufos and your punk rock and your hair. Uh. He said, we're shaving your head and I'm proving the aliens don't exist. And so he gets a little group together and they grab a camera, a tape recorder, a Geiger counter Um and a star scope Um, because he was like, I'm going out there and I'm getting in a logical explanation for what we're seeing right now. It was his his plan, Um, and he bought the tape recorder too, because he was one of those guys who just tape recorded everything he did. Um, and so he was the guy where you go like out to dinner and he pulled his tape recorder and be like like whisper something in his tape recorder during the meal and then slide that back in his coat pocket. That was, you know, Golly, I wish I was hotter because I would have what. I wish I was hotter because I would have used tinder to do weird stuff like that, like that, like on a first date, just pull out to and just be like, Um, we're at a Sushi restaurant and she asked for water but didn't get a little bit. Uh. Date is going well. We're at hours, but first initial flags are she she eats weird her lips quiver in a strange fashion while she choose, and I don't really like that. So note that for date two subjects has gone to the band. Subject has gone to the bathroom three times, just calling her subject the whole it was so funny I couldn't get it out, just like our joke earlier subject it. Just call her subject the whole time. That's what I'm saying. I would have done weird stuff like that, like like get her to talk about something deeply, but I wasn't hot enough to use dating apps like this. If I got swiped on, I had to capitalize on it. You know, you couldn't bring a tape recorder. You did, but you had to hold it. Yeah, that was under the table tape record. I'm you know. And what level of hot do you gotta be to bring that above the you know, just be like all right here above the table hot? I'm yeah, I don't think anyway. So I'm gonna, I'M gonna catch these aliens red handed. Improved that. It was just lightning. Um. Uh. And so they go out there and, UH, they're on patrol, walking around. He's got a camera, like an eye can, like the eyeball camera, visual camera. This is the brand new eyeball. Came right and it's literally just stop. My brain couldn't do. But he does have a camera. Yeah, it's a camera, not a CAM quarter camera. He's gonna Take Yeah. So, uh, there wasn't like those home cam quarters. I mean there was, but they were cumbersome. And the military wasn't about them? I don't know, I'm not sure. anyways, so he goes, they're out on patrol. He's got a little little group with him, a handful of people, of other officers, and none of these people in this group saw the first incident. No, this isn't a totally different group of I mean none of nobody in any groups saw anything, but we'll go ahead. So they they go out and they're searching. They're not finding anything. So they decided to go back to the site of the original landing, the landing site, and so in the in the tape recording, this has been the tape recording has since been, uh, declassified freedom of Information Act, so you can listen to the whole thing, uh, and in you hear him as they go to a landing site. He kind of makes fun of it. He's like, okay, we're going to head over to the landing site. Um. And so they go and they get this is my fear, though. One of my fears is that I'll be the one of us that encounters an alien, one like you and me, and then I'll come and try to tell you about it and then you'll be skeptical you know. So they go to the landing site, Um, and when they get there, uh, they were surprised to find that there were in fact some markings on the trees and so they tested them and there was uh like a heat signature on the trees on like the thermal camera that they that they brought to test it, as if it had been warm recently. But only in that spot where there were the abrasions of Um. In that landing site there was the three Uh indentations on the ground from where those, uh, the landing spikes or whatever you would call them, were supposedly landed. And this was significant because, um one it was very clearly in the shape of a triangle, just as they described. So they were right where you would expect them to be based on the description. They were about the size of a Ford Explorer, Um. And so its it matched what they described. But even more significant than at uh, this is December in England, and so the ground was hard and so this isn't the sort of thing where, like, tree brands could fall and indent Um. This was something where it had a deliberately like with a decent bit of weight, indent to push that down. And so they took photos of that. They turned on some flashlights to photos and they got photos of each of those indentations, the damages on the trees, and they were there, um, using all of the tools that they brought to gather readings of this landing site, on the trees, the indentations, the quote unquote, actual landing site. Another significant thing is they gathered Um, they got the Geiger counter, uh, and they noted above level, above normal levels of radiation at the landing site, but not anywhere outside the landing site. Um, it wasn't dangerous levels. It was just above normal background radiation levels and a significant piece on this sidebar Um, even though it wasn't technically a Um dangerous level of radiation. A couple of the people who had witnessed this event Um had developed cancers later in life and one of them specifically Um Approach The v a looking for Um medical assistance for injuries sustained while in service due to this event. Um for that and I went to the V a. It was like Hey, aliens radio. The V A was like over those benefits and the V A was like, we have a form for this. You'RE gonna want to film that. Fill out form three, a guarantee. They have that. The A is for alien. Would we all put that together? No, and what happened was he went through the process and he actually ended up getting medical assistance for that. And the documentation, Um says. The documentation says, uh, medical benefits for h exposure to ufo levels of radiation. Just saying so, at least the government, at least they're acknowledged. You got radiated by a UFO. Whether that's an alien ufo, I don't know, but you got radiated by that UFO. So here's some money. Radiated as a verb. Oh yeah, Bro, you got radiated. So anyways, so that's an interesting little subject. Subjects. So signs of being radiated by aliens. Okay, I think we're done here. Okay. So, UM, so they're examining this site right, yes, as they have been for the past five minutes of your story. Yes, and they're looking at the Indians, they're looking at the trees. Yeah, they're gathering data, real data. Said this four times. And so then, as they're doing this, uh, one of them says hey, do you guys see that? And there's a light in the sky and it's flickering. It's flashes. Do you guys see that? Do you guys? No, we don't see that. It's just you. Who are you talking to? Bro? It's just you here. You're here alone in the forest. There's no base. Subject is alone in the woods. So, uh, they don't start describing this flickering light in the distance, Um. And they're recording this all on their audio recording and you can see, you can hear the tone uh start to shift a little as they are watching this, uh, this flashing light in the distance and uh, they start saying like, oh, the animals in one of the neighboring farms are losing it. They said, they're all going crazy, they're making a lot of noise. And then you hear him say, like there's there's something splitting off from it. There are like objects or metal or something splitting off from, Um, uh, the light. And he says it's it's orange, it's green. It's like flickering between a couple of colors. And they said, Oh, it's definitely heading towards us. And so he says, let's get the star scope out, let's measure the distance a star scope. It's like a little it's like binoculars, but it's just one. It's telescope. Uh Uh. Star scope is that thing you have with a kid where you put it up to your eye and you twist it and it's just like the glitter inside and it just goes back and forth. It's like, let's check that thing. I swear there's one person in the woods with a tape recorder and a kaleidoscope and they're just like you're not gonna believe what I saw. You're right. So far nothing's compelling. It's binoculars, but without the first they're JUSTN ocular. So they're they're looking at then ocular and the thing about a star scope is star scopes they are designed to Um for sniper us, to judge the distance of something. Right. So it tells them how far something is from them. And so they used the star scope to identify, Oh hey, this thing is coming towards us, because they saw that that number too, can down as it was traveling towards them, and they noted that there was almost like there was this bright outer light and then there was an inner light that was dimmer than the outer light of this whatever this object was Um and as the signing goes on, they watch it come closer to them and get a lot closer to them. And then they said there was like a beam of light that came down from it. Um, and all this other stuff of it moving around whatever. Blah, blah, blah. It's just moving. They saw it for a while and they were amazed and Um, and then uh, and then it jets off really quickly and in his behold this night in Bethlen born, in the city of David. Have you done the have you done the play? Do you remember it? Okay, and yeah, we've all done that, right, the church play, when you have to someone says the whole speech. anyways. No, I was baby Jesus for that. Yeah, and they cast me his baby Jesus Thet Wow, yeah, you beat Jesus. Don't say anything. The more it picture, the worst it. Kids just wrapped in her cloth. The girl has to like wrap you. Thank you. Just live. I was the youngest kid in the church. There was no other options. What sucked, is it? There was a kid who was like four ft tall and he should have done it, but I was six three and I was like all right, all right, so Jesus. Actually, I'M gonna make that shirt Jesus. Yeah, okay. So he writes his report and he puts that report onto his superiors and in that report, Um, at that moment of this part of the siding where it left, he wrote speed impossible, because he said that that Um, there's nothing that he knows, that knows of that can go that fast. Um. And something significant about this is, uh, obviously these are military personnel and this lieutenant colonel is a high ranking military dude who's defenct and he went out there to prove this wrong. Um. And within this whole thing they got real data of radiation levels, heat signatures, distance, is photographs, the tape recording of the whole yeah, so it's one of the better documented events in the UFO phenomena world. UH, from some people who h or what you would call qualified observers. The first the first guy who saw it. He was actually the guy on base who would identify enemy crafts, craft crafts, enemy crafts. He'd say, yeah, that's uh, that uh, I got Min ocular. Some Getting Min ocular. I need to understand what that craft is. Oh, that's some clay. Hear Rings. Now. He was the guy wh would look up at this guy and see a plane from a distance and figure out what it was. Uh. And so he he knew what all kinds of planes look like just by looking at him. Go, keep going. Okay, so anyways, uh, what significant? Uh is what? I don't I keep waiting for you to finish sentences. I don't know, man, right. Is this significant that these are military people who would have known if it was something military related? Yes, yes, Um, ooka that we finished each other sentences. Are we soul mates? Yeah, if souls existed. So here's the deal. There's a couple of possibilities of what was going on here. Obviously, aliens is the most likely. Obus some skeptics have come forward with their interpretations of the possibility. Obviously you have the more famous, like ball lightnings or some sort of atmospheric phenomena that we don't understand yet. or like group, Um Hysteria, Um, they were in the woods, or just a general hoax. Um. But this group is less likely to make a get together and be like hey, let's make something up. That was one of the that was the game. That was the Christmas there like party game. They didn't invite us to the party. Let's make something up and make them feel like they missed something. Cool. Uh. And then Uh. But one of the more uh, Bona fide theories is that what they saw was there's a lighthouse at the other end of the forest. That you know how lighthouses work, like, Dude, this thing keeps shows up like every couple of seconds. Yeah, and it was. What they were seeing was that lighthouse in the distance. The issue with this is it doesn't explain the landing site stuff. Um. And also you would expect that these people are here every day. They wouldn't know that that lighthouse is there, UM, right. So you would expect that they would. Maybe it hadn't been run before. Oh, this was the first night that they turned it on. We built this whole lighthouse been standing here for a couple hundred years. Maybe we should turn that on, that lighthouse. Uh. The other thing is they captured it on that uh, the star Scipe, and they were capturing the distances of it. It was getting closer, Um, and so that's I don't know, that's the more accepted conclusion of what this is. Uh. You talked to any of the witnesses and all of them say, uh, no way, we knew that. Yeah, they're not super old. No, yeah, they're all still alive. Okay, they're AL still alive. Um, all of them. This was kind of a shaking event. Most of them didn't talk about it until after they retired. Um, with the question of the reports that they had to give of the incident. Um, they kind of didn't talk about it. And the reason why they talked, they say that, is because, I mean, this is the sort of thing that, yeah, people will think you're crazy and then you it's a career limiting move to and forward with something like this. And so, but now that they're all retired, they're coming forward and actually recounting their stories. Uh, Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcasts, spotify, Youtube. You'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators. Uh, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight. Six six thank you so much for being here. That's where things get weird is when you hear them talk about it now. Okay, because now it's almost like you compare what they say now with their reports and the reports are like they were sugarcoating it a little bit Um because they were like, we don't want to mess up our career and so I'm not going to tell the whole story here. And that's where it starts to it starts to hurt, I don't know if I would say the credibility. It hurts the credibility of what they're saying now because what they're saying now doesn't quite match that report. Um, the lieutenant colonel, for one. Um, he says there's not a possible world where that was a human built craft. It was very clearly intelligently piloted, because the way it was moving through the trees and the way it was interacting with us as if it knew we were there. It was very clearly clearly piloted by some sort of intelligence and it was significantly faster and quieter than anything we could build even today. And so he says there's not a doubt in my mind that it was of extraterrestrial origin. But he also thinks that someone broke into his house last year. A dresses grimace from McDonald's. What you know, the Purple Guy From McDonald's, grimace? Yeah, but why? What is it I'm thinking. I'm saying, like we can't tell what he said, because he also believes that Grimm is broke into his house. No, he doesn't. Just trying to be like yeah, you're like. Well, I mean now his story is a little different. It says there's no way that it couldn't be an alien, but he also believes some other crazy things. Well, his his side of it is he's just, he's and most of them are like yeah, there's no way it was human. The Guy who touched the craft, his story is the one where it's like, all right, what's can we believe you? is the thought. So here's here's what he says. Now. He says he went and he touched that craft and he says when he touched he went around, he touched the letters. He describes it, and I'M gonna be honest with you, this is the part where I'm like, uh, he touched the letters and he describes it as a download. He says I touched those letters and uh, from that point forward he was like, I saw binary, like binary code, and he went home and he at that night he drew in his notebook what he saw, like the craft and the etchings you were saying. He went home and he just wrote out the binary code that he was seeing and that's crazy. Well, then he did, he did, he did, yeah, yeah, and you're like look how, look, look how the Gossane I am, look how I'm completely. Well, here's the thing. He's never this is the only house, this is the only instance of anything like this he's ever done. And the government in their report they took the leaflets of his pictures and of the drawings he made, the symbols Um, and of all of the binary and that's included in that declassified report is the little leaflets that he drew Um and for whatever reason, I don't know if he forgot about it or he didn't know what he was writing or whatever, um, but he said that with the binary he said that he saw it until he finished writing it and then it just went away. He said, I had a piercing headache. I saw it until I finished writing it out and then once I finished writing it out, the headache went away. I stopped seeing it and he said I closed the book and I wanted to forget about it because I didn't want to lose my career. Uh. And so he never touched it. Thirty years later, after he retires, he's doing an interview and in the interview they asked to see that notebook because he still has it um. And so he's like yeah, sure, and so he shows them the drawings and the guy doing the interview was like, what the heck is that? Like Binary Code, like, what is that? Because he was just going to not acknowledge it. And he's like, Oh, yeah, that's the download. That's the download. So just just going to the bathroom three times. Commencing Download. I'm sorry, did you say commencing download? Uh, subject to hurt me, speaking too long, attempting to be more quiet. Yeah, attempting to delete memory. I can see the tape recorder having supported on the table. So subject doesn't see me. Subject has left. Uh. And so the guy doing the interview was like this is a significant part of the story. Yeah, well, I don't know why you weren't interested in this. Yeah, okay, and so well, he goes yeah, but if I told the government the aliens downloaded something, I would immediately lose my job. Yeah, I would immediately get cut open on a table, and for sure, I mean I would cut him open on a table at Golden Corral. Get up here, come here, a little binary guy. And so uh. So that interviewer in that whatever program that was on, like CBS or whatever. Um, it was like, yeah, we're gonna get this figured out. Can I like take a copy, some copies of that? And it's like sure, whatever. They sent it off to some computer programmer who translated it out, uh, and basically it was like thirty years for an advertisement. That's a good check. So the translation uh came through and it was uh like the one face you made. Go ahead, is earth exploration or exploration of humane of the UM UH starting date eighties, six ten uh, and then coordinates all over the world, um of a lot of places that didn't make a lot of sense, but of some places of either religious or like historic significance. So things like Um uh temples in Rome or the Pyramids at Giza or Um some of the pyramid at Memphis, Tennessee. Uh. So just historical and religiously significant locations throughout the world and then some other stuff that we didn't understand. Uh, and then like a mythical island that, uh, this the site of a mythical island that doesn't exist but according to like norse mythology, was like a very significant place. They call it the Nordic Atlantis, which we did an episode. Um, that could be related to that with the what was that? Remember? No, remember that. Uh, next to England and between Norwegia and England. There's that. What was that called? It had a really weird name. That continent that is underwater now. Um, what was that called? It was like a little and it had a really weird name and it was like super shallow water because there was another continent there like a long time ago, in the Ice Age. What are you talking about? Oh, man, no, no, it was older than that. Um, I don't think. Yeah, we did an episode of Dogger Land, Dogger Land, dog earland. Did we mention that in the Atlantis episode there? No, we had an episode about maybe maybe we mentioned it. Yeah, we made we made a joke about it being uh, dog to bounty hunters theme park. That's right, welcome to dog okay, anyways, that's not important. So there's alien code has GPS locations of a bunch of spots all over us. Theme Park. Yeah, yeah, where to find bounty, dog, bounty together everywhere. We've seen Dr so here's my problem with this. UH, binary is a human thing. Uh and sure, maybe, and sure, sure, aliens could come and learn it. They could watch US and learn binary. Sure, UM, why would they speak that? Yeah, and then this download thing. I don't know. Well, he is the only one with a different opinion than everybody else in that group. Everybody's like that was an alien space ship, and he's like, he was house, yeah, the lighthouse, and I got binary from stay away from him. The houses are weird, man. He he is convinced that it was humans that time traveled, and so he says. He says that must be the date when they started time traveling, and all these significant spots are the significant he's like, maybe that was their travel manifest in their time travel thing where they were going to Nordic Atlantis. It will be there when they go to that if it existed. And so he's convinced that it was us and that's why they used binary to download it. Interesting. I don't know. Is. He's the only one with the different shake. That whole storyline of the binary thing, though, was not originally part of the story. That's the part I don't believe. The rest of it, Um, I think it's it's it's documented Um by both the United States military and the UK military. Okay, uh. They have both since declassified their documents and they line up, they match uh, and they were witnessed by, Um, the high level military brass who understand what they're looking at and they could not explain it by any conventional understanding of any means. And what's what's also significant is when you look at both the reports from the United States and from the UK, they both in the reports talked about contacting the other nation to be like hey, were you testing something here? And they're like Oh no, you. Are you testing something here? Uh, and both of them were like no, this wasn't us. Uh. And as far as we know there's nothing that matches it, um in terms of like a technological advancement, since Um that puts off a similar radiation level or anything like that, Um, and moves at those kind of speeds. UH, since this has happened. So it's one of the more UM incredible ufhone encounters that we have on record. That's the Rendalston forest in the incident. It is now, uh, the what do you call it? The rendell Shim Forest is owned by the Ye, the UK, uh, I don't know what they call it, the Department of Forests, I guess. I don't know. Department forests, the Forestry Commission. The Forestry Commission. They they had a lottery, like they had like a normal lottery, and with the proceeds from the pro seeds for that lottery, they established the UFO trail. Um, and now there's a trail that goes through it, Um, honoring the ufos that existed there, and they built like a little uh uh. Yeah, and it's supposed to look like it's supposedly it looks like what the Ufo that they witnessed looks like. Uh. And this is uh, this is it. This is supposedly, allegedly, what the UFO looks like. Gosh, I cannot rack and drop this. Thank you. Ah. And the the UFO trail and there's a little glyphs on the back of it that he touched download and if you go um, I think. I think this is smaller than it actually was. But if you go and you touch those glyphs, you'll get the download too. I got the download. All right. We gotta go on a trip then. Yeah, we gotta go to the UFO trail see if we see this. Um, it looks to me like an orange peeler or like an orange juicer. Yeah, you juice it. Um, we're a weird hat. Yeah, I can see that too. Um, but yeah, the renaissent forest, forest incident. Oh, you want to listen to the tape we got to take? Yeah, I was wondered the whole time. The whole time. You can't mention these tapes, and you did this whole plug in your computer thing and they were getting to the end and I was like, are you just about to fill of this off with you know? Yeah, when you did, you see me look at that whenever you mentioned the tapes. Yeah, you said we've got it on tape, and I went, I saw that plug. Sure, okay, here we go to making a lot of noise. Yeah, when St Right at this position here, wait, wait, wait, time, wait, slow down, clow down, where right in this position here, like that guy. I really started talking slower, dude, Betty. Yeah, there it is again. Watch throw the head off my flash. There it is. I see it too. What is it? We don't know. Strange small red light look maybe a quarter to a half maybe before they're at I think it's gone now. It was approximate eastress. Is it back again? Yes, slash light said. I'M gonna jump ahead a little bit. In this Um this guy talks like he's telling a Christmas story and I really I could listen to him all night. So I saw yellow tanging it too. Weird, a little bit this way. Weird. I see a little bit of yellow in it and there's a there's a red light, there's a little bit of yellow in it. Weird. Now it's gone, now it's back, now it's gone's back, now it's gone. This is the White House, is no doubt about it. This is weird. There is no doubt about it. This is weird. There's no do about it. What's interesting is like, if you contrast this too early, when they're like collecting their dad, like the way they're engaging with each other is totally different. Now, okay, like you, I can just they're freaking out like little middle schoolers, out like sasquats hunting at night. Yeah, now, like, oh my gosh, yeah, let me see if I can find a you can hype yourself into that kind of same thing with paranormal stuff. You can hype yourself into believing them. Any just seven tests there. Right. We find a smat what looks like a blasted are struct ferry. Here we're getting very positive craze to see. Is that you're the center. Yes, go along, and who is that? Don't even swamp person have happage shift badge. So there's a whole crowd of that's really weird. I'll tell you what. This is just soap bonkers and weird. And there's something that I never thought my whole military career. I see chap paper Pert. That's that's sounds like there's just some dude over. They're like talking in binary. Somebody translate that. That's another that's another thing. There's no doubt about it. Hold up to take this out. Here we go. Harry comes from the sick. He's coming towards now, coming down to the ground. I don't know, thirty and the objects. You're still in the sky. They're the one in the side. Looks like there's a little bit of altitude we'll turning around, hitting back toward the base, still being down lights to the ground. It's really weird. Be well, now I got his voice down. You know, my next date with my girlfriend's gonna be pretty weird. Subject has it put too much soy sauce on her poke bowl. This is really weird subject. Maybe buy her a large bowl, but she's only gonna eat half of it. I could have saved three dollars if I bought the cheaper one. There's no doubt about it. This is weird. There is no doubt about it. Here's the thing. They're very clearly a little surprised about what they're seeing. Um, I don't know. And then they see a beam and then they're like, oh, it's coming at us in the we're going on, Whoa, I see a beam right now. It's crazy, there seems. And you know what happens? In twenty years, someone's gonna do a whole show on the yeah, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you were the Space Tim Studio encounter, yeah, no, nobody would believe you, and I if we, if we were military, Lieutenant girl, well, maybe that's what we need to do. then. Yeah, let's go let's going to require some military, military for the purpose of creating elaborate hoax. That'll actually be a pretty good bit. And then we write all the ones and Zeros Ryan a notebook, eyes doing the whole weird like translate this subody translates it for the law. There you go. Things that the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Kleb but Goldberg, and our social media is run by Kayla Barker. 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Russ George – The Oceans Savior or Greatest Enemy

07-19-22

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Made by robots for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey Man, what's going on? Man? Oh, not much. Hate that you've decided. That's our intro. Like you, you act like we have to do that. We do when you're the one who says how's it going? You could just say hey man and then I would move on. But you say how's it going, I feel like I have to answer me to respond to hey man with hey man, hey man, a man. Yeah, it's like when the pastor says hey man, everybody else has to say hey man. Also, is that how you and yeah, thank you for our daily bread. Hey Man, I wonder why there's no Hayman, like scarecrows up in the church I've been. I figured it made sense, so you went with okay, it took me a second to see where you were going. He said, hey man. Yeah, if you're listening, just skip this one. I'm blessing your decision by giving you the case of Rido and canned Bob last that's how I knew this is what I was supposed to be doing. Right. I feel really bad when I go to olive garden. I make that waiter stand there for a good fifteen minutes, you know, and I make them earn their tip every day, I come out and the first thing I do is I walk over their aunt hill. I get really close. I'm like God, can't hear you here? Things I learned last night. Have you ever heard of Russ George? Russ George. Yeah, okay. Also, you might know him as uh, uh, Darcy Russell George. On Darcy Russell George? No, I don't think so. Okay. So, Russ George. He's an environmentalist, has been working in the industry for a long time, in the environment industry. Yeah, okay. Yeah, he's been building environments that will last a lifetime. That's slogan, his personal slogan, Um, building environments that will last a lifetime. Of the planet, hopefully it's a long lifetime. Has Part of that. He didn't put a lot of thought into what environmentalists do. Like what's the office like? Yeah, they come in and they say how's the planet look? And they're like, I don't know, it's still pretty bad. I don't know, Darcy, and he's like us, Russ, I don't understand what they Russell George, why are we talking about this person? So He's an environmentalist who has um a pretty crazy idea. Uh, and it's garnered a lot of attention. Uh, and and it leads to it's a really interesting it's a it's a crazy story that involves uh Um, uh, the ocean, uh, native tribe, Bolands, the Swat team, uh and Um Rust Uh. It's rusty like, yeah, like when you leave your bike out and back out back. Yea, come back and your bike is rusty. Your bike's all rusty. It's more like when you leave your bike inside and your parents move it out back because didn't have enough room inside. Um, and then you come back and it's all rusty. And then you come back from college expecting to ride your childhood bike. Yeah, my hog, e. of course I did. Oh, yeah, my hog. Well, my mom goose, of course I did. Yeah, it was exactly, of course. Yeah, with the pigs. Yeah, the pigs were rusted on. My trusty plastic helmet. Get out there. You just say that for well, this is a true story. I came home and my hog was busted over. I wanted to bring it back home with me. My life wouldn't let me. She was like you can't keep that. You know, your wife's not gonna put up with the Rusty Hog. You know's like no, rustyns in this house. So why did you tell this story? We're talking about Rust Oh my God, speaking to rust Rusty, George. Uh. So, here's here's does he go by rusty? He goes by Russ. Russ, but he should. It makes a lot more sense with what he was to do. So Russ, George. H He uh started highlighting in the early two thousand's this theory that he had to solve the climate crisis, specifically the carbon count in the atmosphere. Okay, and so this theory. To explain it, we gotta start with, UH, plankton. Yes, I'm with you. So plan to do this thing where they where they there's a competitive restaurant across the street and they're like must get the secret formula right. And so, yeah, you get it. You're right on track. Spend their whole lives trying to get the formula. So Plankton. They hang out, Um, in these big old pods of Plankton's Um, plank del plank deons hang out in pods. Yeah, I think the word onto them was called blooms. They're like little microscopic they're almost like bugs in the water. Um, very, very primitive life forms. Um and they feed on carbon molecules and then when they release Uh methane, uh, and it was a natural forever. Um, they had helped keep plankton pretty much single handedly had helped keep the carbon count in the atmosphere really low, because what would happen is they would take the carbon, you know, whatever they do with it, and then, uh, there was this process that was really interesting with plankton. Obviously they got rid of in they replaced it with nothing. But when plankton would die, UM, some of them would stay up near the surface and then rerelease the carbon, our carbone, car carbon that they hadn't digested yet. Um, but most of them would sink to the ocean floor and there's a certain point in the ocean where if they sunk past that point, then that carbon was considered gone forever because they got so far that it was never going to go back up to the okay, I'm confused on what I'm confused saying. Yeah, so here, here, let's do this example as if it was it was me, if I was out in the ocean, swimming in the ocean, deep see, swimming, deep sea swimming, uh, and I had a burger. Normally, if I died right there. If I drowned and I stayed near the surface, then eventually I decomposed and that Burger would float back into the atmosphere and be a part of the Burger problem we have in the atmosphere to day. Everybody knows Burger Count Way too high. Um. But if I sunk too far down, if that Burger is never going back to the atmosphere, sink plank and so the carbon that they emit when they die close Um. So the plankton would sink to the bottom of the ocean. They take the carbon with them and then that there's a a layer of carbon at the bottom of the ocean that has been there for millions of years and this process has been happening over and over and over again. Um. So there's just tons of carbon down there that the natural order has eliminated from circulation in the atmosphere, which has been a great thing for the planet. Well the last hundred or so years. When industrialization happened and we figured out, oh, Hey, we can get that, we started going back down there and bringing this carbon back into circulation and using it for fuel and which was putting it back into the atmosphere and so this natural process that was keeping carbon out of the atmosphere, we were interrupting and pulling that carbon that had been supposed to be gone forever, based by the way the natural ecosystem figured it out. Um, we we broke it and we were like, Hey, put it back up there. This is great, we can get it out and put it back up with this guy who cares. Uh, this guy cared, and it's break. It's falling apart at the seams because of us. Um, and so russ is like, I think I can solve this problem. Um, so this is contributing to the global warming. Yes, yeah, so the carbon count is a the carbon the carbon count in the atmosphere is a major cup part of the global warming issue, because what what happened is, uh, the more carbon in the atmosphere, the more the atmosphere warms, and so the carbon coming out of the atmosphere and getting stuck at the Botom of the ocean meant that it stayed cool, which created an environment that was possible. There was a natural process that was doing that for Millennia. Yeah, we interrupted that process by using that carbon as fuel, as fuel, and we're not shooting plankton back into the ocean exactly. And so so he's like, Russ is, just buy a bunch of plankton. Russ is, where do you buy a plankton? There's a little kiosk in the mall in the middle of it in palace. Yeah, UH, no. So, uh. The Russ's point was like when we go farm, if we're farming in the fields somewhere, uh, we take care of the earth, we take care of the soil because we realize, like, if we don't replace the nutrients that we're taking from the soil, then eventually it's going to dry up. Is that what happened? We did that one man episode about that desert in Maine where the farmers didn't take care of it and it turned it into a desert and now it can't bear any fruit. Um, it's the same concept, except for we're taking, taking, taking, taking, taking from the ocean and we're not replenishing what we're taking from it. And so we're taking. The ocean is gonna rise. I'll tell you what, Poseidon will get his revenge. Poseidon and his plankton army, posidons plankton platoon. And so Russ's point, Russ is like we need to WHO IS RUSS? WHY IS RUSS? George a environment I'm saying, like, who? Who is he to to say he's a Merman? All right, thank you. He's a scientist, I'm saying, like anybody, because he can. People just can scientists just tweet stuff and be like we should? Anybody could just tweet stuff. Well, I'm saying, like, but would that count as official work? Where they're just like I think we should put more planked in the ocean, and someone's like, well, scientists are saying we should put more plankt in the ocean. Well, I think. I think what a scientist would do is write a paper, give it peer reviewed and published in a scientific journal and then go on a speaking tour, get some funding and then start doing it. That's not how all the youtubers I watched you stuff. That's not the people I get my news from. So so, he started campaigning this in early two thousand's, okay, saying hey, we need to we need to fertilize the oceans and treat he called me, to treat the oceans the way we treat the soil. Yeah, he said. He said we need to take care of the ocean. Pastures like we take of the land pastures. Um, and he says we're doing all this damage to them and we're not replacing the right there Pacific pastors. Uh, he's we need to pasteurize the Pacific pastors, please, when he pastors to pray for this. We need our pastors to pray for the pasteurization of the Pacific pastors praying. It's why I started the organization, praying pastors for the pasteurization of the Pacific pasture. You know, it's a mouthful, but you know it's God's work. So it is Um so, uh so, Uh Russ. Is The way he, Russ, wants to pull this off is he says that you mentioned it earlier. Killed the plague to get rid of the boom of the oceans. Uh No. So what Russ Russ proposed is that Um one of the UH, there's a few pieces to a healthy plankton diet. Carbon is one of them. We've got a lot of carbon right now, so obviously they're they're getting found on carbon. Another important piece is iron, which there's a deficiency in the oceans right now of iron. The way rest wants to pull this off, as he says, we'll fertilize the ocean with iron. And so we'll sprinkle some iron into the ocean, let the plankton eat that. That will give them the nutrients they need to reproduce a bunch and then we'll have a surplus of plankton that can then die and take the carbon down to the bottom of the ocean with them when they die. And so basically he's like, we need to put enough dead plankton down that more dead plankton down than then we're then we're taking out okay, to solve this carbon issue, Um, which is a decent theory. Uh. And so he started campaigning this, traveling around, Um, as you do. Yeah, looking for funding to go actually conversations with strangers. Yea, Um, good question. Quick Question. What do you know about plankton? Yeah, what do you think about dumping iron in the ocean? Yeah, I see you an iron man Tattoo, uh, like you know, like the dudes that come in that have like the iron man, like race, like the it's like the dot about, like you run, really, you run and yeah, yeah, run and bike and sweat, not the Superman. That's what I was trying to say. Yeah, I thought your people had iron man tattoos? Huh. No, they did too, but did they? Yeah, I don't know if iron man the race was out in two thousand either. I think that was a two thousand tents thing. No, no, look it up. Iron man like the race, like the iron man races. Yeah, oh well, I was way off. Wow, you said so confident to two tens things. I didn't hear about it until then, so it didn't happen. Okay, it's not really until I hear about it, so that's fair. So he was going around doing all these speeches, Um, and making these plans to go try this, Um, and then he started selling. Uh. What he did was kind of clever. He started selling carbon credits, uh, to private individuals. And so do you know what carbon credits are? So, carbon credits are things that nations can purchase. Um, it's an environmental thing, basically. UH, nations can purchase x amount of carbon credits to make an impact in the carbon crisis by funding some other nation to make an impact in their nation. And the idea for it is for nations who do not have the means to do it themselves or do not have the physical space or resources within their country, to actually make an impact. So these are things like planning trees um or or lowering emissions. Like if a nation doesn't have the ability themselves to do those things, that can buy carbon credits to be like hey, we're we're approaching that carbon neutrality and we're working towards it, and so we get credit for it because funding it, but we can't do it ourselves within our board. What was the credit like? What I want to I want to go to know that we did this. Essentially, it's it's it's like if some people can be like well, Sweden is not doing anything, and Sweden's like well, hold on, look at our carbon credits or whatever, Swedish acts and sounds like that's pretty accurate. It's and they're like uh, yeah, I don't actually want to do anything, but I want the credit for it. It's like in high school when my youth group we, uh, we all banded together and we gave I want to say it was six thousand dollars to be the light and they gave us this little silver plaque to say we gave six thousand dollars to be the light, but really Patrick's parents gave five grand and you and the and we got this plaque that proved how good we were as people. I guess yeah, because I had a dollar on it. It's the same thing carbon credits. Just say how much money you spent on planning trees and stuff, and it's some other country. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or, if you're watching on youtube, leave a comment. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets, who were separated at birth, unbeknownst to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So, uh, there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in an episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one. But what he did is he started selling these carbon country carbon credits to private individuals Um for five to fifteen bucks, and so you can buy a carbon credit and no, Oh hey, this is going towards making more plankton to solve this carbon crisis. And so, if you so, I mean it was essentially donating to them Os, but since he wasn't five, one, three C he couldn't take donors. And so he started, how allowing people to purchase these carbon credits so that way he could then fund with this mission, Um, as a scientist. Uh, and so he had a couple of decent sized backers and then he met Uh this native population uh called the man. I'm gonna burcher this, the Hida. You butchered the butcher. I'm gonna burcher this, the Heida tribe, h a I D A, which is a tried in Uh uh British Columbia. Um, and UH partner with the partnered with then uh to go do this. So they started studying the impact of what would happen if they did it and made sure it was safe to do it, and then one day they sailed out into the ocean and they sprinkled three tons of iron into the ocean and they just kind of drove around over and I shouldn't say one day, it was over the course of a couple of weeks. They went around with a little salt shakers and they were just like I like the cracked pepper better. Or they're just guys like say win, yeah, cheese getter at alive garden. They're standing over there. It's just the boat. I do feel. I feel really bad when I go to olive garden. I make that waiter stand there for a good fifteen minutes, you know, and I make them earn their tip, you know, and they just sit there and they are I'm gonna have to get a reload. Yeah, Dude. I saw one olive garden uh, employee, like a a server there, had to buy special shirts, you know, because one arm Jack. All right, they are so small, you know, and I was like switch hand sometimes, you know, you don't have to always. You don't got to do that. It's that same hand. Uh. Yeah. So they went around, they peppered the ocean with Iron Um, uh, and then they came act and they were excited about it, ready and waiting to collect that data and they dropped a bunch of probes down there to see see if it works, to see if, like all the plankton started coming and what they were doing with the carbon Um and things like that. And while they were collecting this data, all of a sudden one day, uh, the Canadian Swat team just busted into their lab and destroyed all their machines, destroyed all their hard drives, uh, and arrested a few of them. Uh. For what? For trying to save the planet? UH, because the oil barons don't want them. Is this real to do? No, this is a real story. This is your this is your conspiracy theory of mind talking right now. No, uh, this is where, this is where, uh, the story needs to pivot. Um, here's what's interesting. So I watched this video. UH, in prep for this, I watched an animated clip. I watched this video, and here's the deal. This wasn't the SWAT team. These were aliens. Uh, I'm kidding. No, it's I watched this video as it came out only a couple of days ago, as this video is an interview with Russ George telling this story about how he came up with this idea and about, Um, them doing these experiments. All this still. Yeah, this was probably two when this happened. Um, and and then he talked about how the Canadian spat team, he is the biggest swat operation in Canadian history. And they came and they shut him down. Um, and he said he he thinks it's because there's some corporation that had an interest in this. and Um, as happens often do, then came. They kicked the right and they're riding there. They're Moosin right over to the the where were they at? The British Columbia, right, and they kicked down the door. They don't kick down the door, they knock the sorry about this. Uh, sorry, and you can. You can't do this anymore. and Um, if you keep doing it, bad things are gonna happen. Yeah, Hey, does your hard drive? We need to destroy them. We need to throw those in the ocean with the iron you threw out there. and Um, we'd really appreciate it if you stop. That's pretty accurate. Um, I don't know. Uh. What he said was that there there must be some corporation that has a vested interest in this, that doesn't want US doing what we're doing, and so they got the government to shut us. Of course that's conspiracy. One, Oh one, though. Yeah, and so I watched this video and I was like, Oh, this is an interesting story. I want to know more about this. Um, what corporation you think is behind it? I don't know. McDonald's, for some reason. I knew you were going to say that for some reason. So, uh, so, uh. So. Then I went back on and did some more research on this story. Obviously, so rust George. His occupation on Wikipedia is for store of Ecosystems Nice. Uh. He's started uh dozens of businesses. Um. Uh. Let's take a look at a couple of the more famous ones that he started. Uh. Clima is one of them. Uh. This is a company that is UH solving the carbon crisis by planting trees. Um. One thing that Um did, and was famous for doing, was selling carbon credits to people, uh, to fund the planting of trees. So you could buy a carbon credit and that would they would plant a tree somewhere in your honor because you purchased a carbon credit, and just like where you would like. You didn't buy somebody birthday gift. So you're like, I got you a star. You know, I hate that. You know what I mean. People own that star, alright, first of all, and then like am I dumb for that? Anyway? Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, like your if my girlfriend bought my cat a star. That's a real thing that I had to say world. But your girlfriend didn't buy a catastor. She bought a plaque that said you on the stock. It wasn't even a plaque. It's a piece of paper, all right, she printed out at office depot. All right, at least. Yeah, yeah, I mean, Oh, yeah, she didn't know. Dude, like, I'm not trying to talk bad about her. I'm not saying that I'm taking the gift for granted. All right, you know, she gave me a good card stock. You know, my cat owns that star. So solem, you could pay to buy this carbon credit and then they would plant in your honor right and you'd be like, you're saving where. When you die, you turn into a tree. You heard that? No, they didn't do that. You've heard of that? I've heard of that. Yeah, what do you what do you want to happen to you when you die? Do you know, like, do you want to be? I don't think I've ever asked you this. I'm of what I wanted to happen to you when you die. I figured we're just throw you over a boat in the ocean see what happens. I haven't thought about a lot. Have you thought about it? Um, you know, I mean I just figured I'd just get buried. I mean, I guess so. I don't know. I figured I'd figured that out when I was closer to death, you know. Yeah, speaking of death, uh, check out our patriarch. I thought I thought you were gonna pivot of death. We've been working on this landscaping project. I don't start by saying you didn't find a body in the yard. I wish there was a landscaping in my yard lately. Oh yeah, I guess the neighbors see you digging a hole in their backyard. Is that where you're going? Know, what I was saying was we started this like first week of March. We've been doing this for like four months straight and I just realized something as like I was digging up my like nineteenth ant hill of this season. Um, because we were putting and we've put in probably seven like flower beds. It's so much spark digging and moving and pulling stuff. Um, I put it in a pool where I live. You didn't. It hasn't been open for my my apartment complex, they haven't opened their pool. So I dug one, dug a hole, fill it up, dug it in my living room. I dug into the ground in my living room. So you've been digging flower things. Yeah, so I've been digging it and I just I realized something this weekend. I was like, I was like, I told this to my wife and she was like, you're an insane person for thinking like this, but I was like, I was like, here's the thing. I was like, there is an entire generation of bugs who all they've known is upheaval, all they've known is us just destroying their lands and then they migrate to the next plot of dirt over and then we come and we destroy their land. and honestly, because bugs live what six to eight weeks? So this has been two generations. There's now a generation great great great parents and them there's that generation who has had children and their children have had children and all they've ever seen is just bloodshed and destruction and they are just ripping apart around them Um and it's just, I don't know, it's just kind of fascinating. Every night they cry out God, when will you smite our enemies? And every day I just every day, I every day I come out and the first thing I do is I walk over their aunt hill and I get really close and I'm like, God, Kid, hear you here. I do think it's evil when people pour the you've seen the like that hot? Yeah, no, not water, but like the silver. Oh God, yeah, Yikes, I don't isn't that like bad for the environment? No, no, no, no, what am I talking about? You know what I'm talking about, where it like hardens and then that up and now you've got the no, yeah, we're just we're just putting in bushes, but even still, it's like they had this whole ecosystem in place, because there was old plants there that we ripped out and we dug out all the mulish. We're putting in rocks and stuff like. Weird that sometimes we feel bad for bugs and then other times we don't. Like I have no problem killing wasps. I sprayed them and then I watched as they like. This was the weirdest. A little a little caterpillar. I felt I felt genuinely bad for a group of bees in the middle of this project, because I don't know if this is normal, but there was like a bunch of storms and I think they put a hive. We dug a hole and we hadn't filled it yet and I think they dug into that hole and put a hive in that hole, because we just kept singing, flying and out of this opening on the side of the hole, Um, and it honestly didn't bother me. I was just working around them and letting them do their thing. But bree was like I can't work like this because she she's like, I don't know if I'm allergic, and I was like well, I we can find out pretty easy. Doesn't mean she's never been stung by a B before, so she doesn't know I've been stung, um, but she's she's allergic to a few other things, like pretty allergic to a few other things, so that means she could be. Yeah, but we so like, I'm like, we could just get you stung and find out, um. But anyways, so long a story short, she was like I can't be around this. So eventually I just plugged the hole. I just threw some dirt and it plutted that hole and I was like, okay, we're fine. They can't get out. Um. Well, then all the bees that weren't in there started panicking because I guess the queen must have been trapped in there. And, I kid you not, this was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life. These bees came back to that hole where I plugged it with dirt and they landed and with their little bee hands were digging, trying to dig through that with their tiny little little bee hands, and it was the saddest thing I've ever seen in my life, like all these bees frantically trying to dig through this dirt to get their queen out, and I was just like and I was just like I don't have that kind of passion for anything. You know. It was this saddest thing to watch these creatures be so passionate about a directive and I was like wow, I have no motivation anything like that much. That's what was the saddest part. I told her, I was like, I feel like we need to save him, and she was like, well, we're gonna have to, like, we're gonna put something in that hole eventually. We're gonna plan a Bush in there eventually, and so we just let him dig for a while until eventually they gave up. They came back for weeks trying to dig in there it was pretty sad. But there's a whole generation of bugs. That's all they've ever known in my property, to generations, my father and my father's father and my father's father before him. The world is a dangerous and what they want to happen to you after you die? They're gonna want me to get buried on. We've had some ideas. You think bees are vengeful? Son Tangent. I don't know how we got there. I don't know how we get back either. So Russ he's got this business called UH and they've been selling these carbon credits and he's famous before uh. Well, he got famous, I think, in two thousand seven for selling thousands of these carbon credits to the Vatican Um, because the Vatican was like we want to be carbon neutral and probably the easiest way we know how to do this is to plant a forest in the Vatican Um. And so he was like, Hey, I do that. Um. You want to buy thousands of carbon carbon credits and wool plant the Vatican forest? And they were like yeah, and so they did that and they're just like this press thing. So they did that. There's this big press thing like him handing them the carbon credit. I Vatican, you know, and the Vatican. Hey, thanks again for this me, this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or some suscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of perks like add three episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking us out. Uh. So, uh gave them these carbon credits. Um, here's the thing. Forest never got planned. Uh, and that's what the kids call fraud. And Uh repped from the Vatican. I watched an interview rep from the Vatican was like, uh, yeah, I guess we got scanned there, didn't we? At the field where they're supposed to be. This Vatican, for us, is literally still just a field. So that's Bevanadians Swat teamed him. Yeah, so this guy, he's got a history of having these businesses, these environmental businesses, where he sells these carbon credits to people and does nothing with them. So it's just a scam. Well, here's the thing, though. He did do this rust into the ocean thing. No, you don't know that, by the ocean. Yeah, there's video of it. He took video and he reallysed, but it's like, what are they putting in there? IRON IS PAPRIKA? That's what I'm saying. You know who. That's what I'm saying. Like an environmentalist? Anybody can pretend to be one. Well, here's the thing. People started looking back at his credentials. He dropped out his Sophomore Year of college. He has no degree. Um, his his one of his previous business like a genius or like am I like, here's the thing. I think a lot of people are dumb. You know, does that? I just yeah, you're telling me the story and I immediately to talk about carbon credits, like that's first of all made up. It's a real thing. That's what governments do. But as soon as he's selling it to private people, you know, as soon as he's selling it to the guy in starbus with an Ironman Tattoo, I go this is this is a scam. So he had a he had a company. You can buy one on our website, DOT com. Slash Carbon Credit. He had a company called uh, Um, leaner, Leonard, Leonard Leaner. Um. It was called low energy nuclear reactions, UM, and basically they look like little dishwasher units that were nuclear power units and they would do small nuclear reactions. You can have a company for anything. Dude made up they would do small nuclear it was a nuclear bomb and supposed to be a small nuclear bomb that was going to give you energy and power your home. I think they're actually just heaters. They're space heaters. Is what he advertised. And he was like yeah, you could buy this. And he's like dishes, if you get too close it will burn your skin. Um. Yeah, yeah, if you get too close, your leg's gonna Swell up real big. Sleep it off, it'll shrink. Uh, and then Uh. The most peculiar thing in the scenario is uh, every time someone was asking for his research on what was going on with these plankton and how he knew that this stuff was gonna work, Um, he was like, Oh, it's it's very secret. It's like early, like I can't share that with you. And so so like they want to share it, like you want to share anything, Um. And so a lot of scientists started an actual environment that started like sounding some alarm bells and we're like, don't let this guy do this, like, like we do know that iron would explode the plankton population doing this, he said, and we do know that. What happen is they would consume a lot of carbon and they would take it within too the bottom. Here's the thing, the thing, what we don't know is what would happen when we don't trust that guy. They were like, well, we don't know what happened is when the rest of the ocean gets their hands on that iron. Um. There's other life in the ocean and we don't know what's gonna what's gonna do to the rest of the ecosystem. We also are pretty sure that flooding an ecosystem was one type of life is usually bad for it, um, and so it's like we're going to overwhelm the population with plankton. That's usually going to harm the rest of the population the ocean. And so all the environmentalists, we're like, we can't do this, this is a bad idea, um, and so he tried to do it and the calopical, but it's a bad idea. It works, but McDonald's told me to say it's a bad idea. This counter idea is brought to you by pizza. Nobody Plankton's the hut. Okay, UH, put a pin in that. That is a movie idea. We need to create a movie where it's a future reality where scientists are sponsored by corporations. Wait, that's real. That's actually happening right now. They just don't say it, but we'll have them say it. We'll have them do that. What do you think that every dietary thing is is like that? The yeah, Coca Cola is paying scientists and not tell you that the sugar content in those sodas is going to definitely end you with your feet not on your body anymore. So we don't even have to pretend. We'll just we'll just have them do their speech. What a cool SCI FI story. Be a crazy science fiction story. We'll have them do their big I don't know. Ted Talk Coca Cola. Coca Cola in Evil Corporation was just full of Coca Cola. Is Not Evil and support Coca Cola. They love human brought to you by pure and Holy Coca Cola. Hail the cocoa, Hail Coca Cola. So he tried to do it in the glop of goes and you try to test covers to watch her because that's hilarious. Maybe I'm one of them, maybe I'm all of them. Every time you crack open a cold one at the game, I'm there, Geez. Uh No, uh. So he tried to do this a glop of ghost and the glop of Goos was like, no, you're not doing that here. You're in fact, you're not allowed. First of all, we sound made up, Al Right, someone asks for Our Name and we just made some sounds like the Gol up. It sounds made up, doesn't it? Hey Man, go up again. Here's the thing. All words are made up. I understand that right, but that one specifically sounds pretty far fetched. That one just sounds like some noises, many and they were like, please, don't do that here. The glapics was like, and he was like, and they were like you can't come within one FT of us, and so he got restraining order from the entire Galapicos islands and the waters around him. You were not allowed here and so. So then he tried to do it in Bermuda and Bermuda was also like no. So then what he did, and this is where the story gets sad, is he went to this Hata tribe, to tribe, I'm not sure, but he went to this tribe and this tribe. The story with them is they had always been, like most tribal people, very conscious of the environment, Um and very proud to be that. That on top of their largest industry in that tribe for as long as it had been around, is was salmon fishing Um. The majority of the people in that land worked either as a fisherman or in an industry adjacent to fishing Um. And the way that works is, I don't know how much you know about Salmon Um. Yeah, okay. So they have the rivers right in the same swimming and then at the end of the season they leave, they leave up the river and then no one knows where they go and then the next season they come back and then it's like welcome back, we're gonna eat. You go to the river, nobody knows where it goes right, and then all of a sudden it's back. You know, it catches everyone. So the fish, they leave, they come back. Well, one season they just never came back and to this day scientists have no idea why. Um, there's a lot of guesses, but they're not they don't know. Trust showed up and he was like, guys, it's the plankton. Um. And so at this point when he shows up, uh, the unemployment rate in the tribe had reached because all the jobs, there was no industry, there's no same, there's no industry, there's no yeah, there's nothing to do. And he came back saying, Hey, like, I know how to fix this, I know what the problem was. We can go one to create jobs to Um, bring the salmon back and create long term jobs. And so he creates this, I think it's called the Heida Salmon Corporation. DO SALMON EAT PLANKTON? I don't know. Okay, because that isn't about salmon. Couldn't you, Nick Ribbs? Do though, mcglankton's actually really similar, because that was MCB. What was the last time you ate to mcribb? I don't know what I ever ate the mcribb? What's that? Sam McDonald's? It's been a while. Yeah, what's that time? You Mate McDonald's. I am McDonald's. That night there we went, putt putting. Yeah, that was because the only thing open. Yeah, I probably went a few months ago. I do like their nuggets. I will say I used to do their double cheeseburger meal because you got to double cheeseburgers trying to drink. It was like bucks. I went and I grabbed that the other day and it was nine dollars and I worked it. I was like, oh my gosh. Anyways, Um, remember when we used to go when they had the deal for like five bucks or bucks, and we will go and we get like forty nuggets and a few of those mots sticks when the hand monster sticks for a little while. Sticks were so good. Yeah, dude, we remember that. The year that we started touring was the year that Taco Bell released the case a Rito and it was just like blast came out, that blast came out and it was like those times where where God says this is what you're supposed to be doing, you know, and it was like wow, dudeb blast and canned form, I'm blessing your decision by giving you the case Arito and canned Bob blast. Bro That's how I knew this was what I was supposed to be doing in my life. Yeah. So, anyway, so he's like, Hey, listen, this will bring the salmon back. Yeah, and so he gets a bunch of these people to come work as his researchers. They're not researchers. Half of them, like out of them, genuinely I haven't really ever heard of science. Um, because all they've done is salmon. All they've done is salmon fishing. They they went to a very rudimentary school and then as long as quick, as soon as they were old enough to fish, they went and started fishing and that was their life. And so, uh, so he conned him. He Yeah, he tricked these people. What? What was the aftermath of him putting all the iron in there? That's what's very interesting. Okay, uh, they estimated, this group estimated, and by this group I mean Russ George, estimated, uh, that this was gonna Bring Pink Salmon back to the area, bring about fifty million pink salmon back into the area. Um, well, it actually turned into a catch, a season catch, so the whole season catch of two million pink salmon. So it five x the return of so they did come back yeah, so he was ready. Yeah, do you think he did on purpose? He kidnapped the saving? Do you wait, that's not at all what I was saying. I was I was saying, did he just lie to them and be like this is gonna bring the salmon back and then when it did, he was like, he's like, like he didn't know what was gonna happen. You're saying that when the salmon went up the river, he was like, I got him and he just caught all the same, and it was like you're saying, one at a time as well. You're doing is if he's got a little like a butterfly net. He's catching one salmon at a time. Of Him. Huh, that's where you're saying. And then he breeded them through. He went down there and just lied, talked out of his butt and then got then just, yeah, yeah, and you're saying it's less likely. He's less likely. So it brought in five x the amount of salmon. I guess they do eat plankton. Then, apparently, I don't know what happened. Um, I'm not sure how this how this turned out the way it turned out, but it works pretty well. And now the people think that this guy's a genius. Um. Well, yeah, uh. But here's the peculiar thing about the story is this man has clearly been in a situation where, time and time again, he's lied to a lot of people and made a lot of money doing it. Um, somehow he's still like if you cry wolf your whole life and then one time a pack of wolves show up and you're like, that's what I was gonna Happen, six wolves. The good thing you guys got your wolf credits. Good thing you guys are trained in Wolverine Uh. So, uh. What's peculiar about the story is he's clearly a con man, sure, but he's still out here doing this and he's not getting in trouble for it. Um, and he's open about it. And what's even more peculiar is this youtube video I watched. This wasn't like some youtuber made this youtube video. H This was like a production. Yeah, but it worked, though. He brought the salmon back. I'm kind of serious, like, I don't understand. Well, that wasn't the goal. The goal wasn't the Salmon. The salmon was what he did. They discover did they did? Did they nothing? Nothing happened. With the plankton. Yeah, there's no data about what happened with the planks. So they didn't even research the plankton. He just done a bunch of iron and then all of a sudden there's five x the number of Salmon. Yeah, and so it's most likely unrelated. Um, okay, unless he kidnapped, it's most likely unrelated. But here's the thing. He's out here still filming these videos, trying to act like there's some big conspiracy about the swap team and everything to stop him, to stop him, when most environments are just like Hey, if you introduce that much of one into the ocean, that's going to create that's going to create other problems. Yeah, it sure will. It do the thing you say it's gonna do? Maybe, Um, but there's other things that are going to happen. Salmon. Alright, I love the galapacos before the two million salmon showed up. Dude, we're on our honeymoon in the Galapagos Islands, right, wonderful, just sprawl down on the beach, just a wonderful week and then all of a sudden, Sam one morning we woke up, we opened up the curtain in our in our room and it's just pink. As far as the shower on Salmon, coming around the shower, you're hard is to brush your teeth and Salmon. It's almost impossible, almost almost impossible. I still did it. Everything smelled so bad, Um, and they're like there's five, the usually are here. Sorry, guys. Hey, here's the thing that here's the point. Here's my point, the point I'm making. There's a lesson in all of this, and the lesson is I watched this video and after watching this video, I was convinced that this guy was a scientist who the Canadian man was after and trying to shut down Um because they had their dirty pockets and she was trying to save the planet. But upon doing just a little bit of research, I found out this is a con man Um. And the point is, uh, don't listen to the P U see on Youtube. If you hear a story on Youtube, that means if you listen to this in the podcast APP, you can believe everything because you're watching. If you're watching on Youtube, discredit not it. No, just like double check it, like, uh, I don't know, it's it's it's easy and a lot of people believe what they hear on social media and on Youtube Videos, Um, and especially this youtube video. This youtube video was it seemed like a very reputable news source, the way they edited it and made it look Um, and at the end of it I was convinced, Um, but it was a lie. Um. So Um. Yeah, there's that mcribbs coming back. You know, the only way to bringing mcgrib back just sprinkle a budge of iron on every McDonalds. Just. So, what are you doing? I'm bringing back to the back to MB fivefold. What it's gonna be was like, guys, people got it. We were giving mcribbs away. Here's too many MC ribs. We've got boxes and boxes and boxes and ribs and are at the chestnut location. What are we to do with all these? Heyways, this podcast was brought to you by the MIC RIB at McDonald's. Things on the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alex Garnett, video by Connor Bets, social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg, our host, or Jarren Meyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. THAT'S T I L O in podcast, leave a review comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night M


The ocean is one of the earth’s most precious resources. However, like many of the resources on earth, capitalism has not treated them well. For that very reason, Russ George has devised a plan to revitalize the ocean. His controversial theory is called Ocean Pasteurization. To replenish the ecosystem of the world’s oceans, George plans to dump iron into the … Read More

Operation High Jump – The Secret Antarctic Missions With Nukes

07-12-22

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey, man, what's up? Hey, we talked about it. Uh, this is the episode. Okay, you. Yeah. So, have you ever heard of operation high jump? This is an alien thing. This is an alien thing because Ju means flying saucer. Are you joking me right now? Is this an alien thing? I mean it could be. It could be an alien yeah, it's got a joop sound and operation of the name operation what high jump? It's hard to get water boarded in an article. The water freezes so fast it's just drop. Guys, we forgot to tell an article about the world. One Colony, tender, logically advanced dwarves. How many times we gotta do your chest to give you the press flay the righteousness? Things I learned last night operation high jump, Operation High Jump or Operation Argus? I'm excited about this because she's the thing. We've done Operation Paper Clip, we've done one operation chrome dome. Now we get to add another operation to our belt, our tool belt of operations, episodes. Um. Next is operation by Hasbro Um. That's pretty funny. Thanks. So here's here's the operation high jump. Uh, let's just tell the story. Let's tell the story. We'll bury the lead. We'll tell the story and then we'll get we'll tell yeah, all right. So here's the Um isn't is it in the desert? No, it's the exact opposite of the desert. Is it in the sixties? No, go ahead. The United States military uh, put together a fresh off their World War Two victory. Yeah, they said, what are we gonna go due now? World War Two? Yeah, they had. They had an interview with Rolling Stone magazine and they say, what's next for you after that major success? I'M gonna get the world or whatever, you know. So they put together this plan. Uh, if you do it, no, you know, we'll have to we'll roll it back a little bit. Before this, there was a guy by the name of Richard e Byrd Um. You might know him more with his title Rear Admiral Richard e Byrd Um. He's a famous admiral of the United States Navy because he had done a few important things. Uh. He was one of the first military he was of all, the one of the first military operations uh, to test a transatlantic flight. That was in before World War Two, between World War One and World War Two, he flew a class to the Atlantic. Oah, and everyone's like, oh my gosh, Whoa, super cool that who did that, and he did it again. Everyone's like he already did that home, and he was like, we weren't as impressed with you already proved you could do it. It's not as cool that you just did the same thing again. You came back. So then what he did instead is that he went to the North Pole and back and everyone's like, oh my gosh, you went to the north that was crazy, like that's crazy that you went up there, and he's like, yeah, I saw like everything. Yeah, very snowy, the elves were there. Uh, and he came back and everyone's like, Whoa, that's so cool. He flew back up again. People were less excited. They were like you going to do that again? Basically, he's like when even been around a six year old, like a six year old does something like that was really cool, and they just do it like doing it because you thought it was and you're like that's exactly what he's doing. And then, uh, he was like, well, they did the pole twice. What if I did this South Pole? So he flew down to the South Pole and I was like, oh my gosh, that's crazy. He did it three more times and then okay, okay, we're getting tired of the South Pole stuff. Like can is there somewhere else you can fly? Do something different? Go to the East Pole. And so he set off for the East Pole. Right. He was trying to find it is. He's still flying. WHO This Day, just hit? He's like if I go east far enough, eventually I'll find it east pole. He's still going. That's a good point. Why do we have north and South Poles but not east and West Poles? Obviously I know there's the magnetism thing or whatever, but like for real, like if we picked a spot that's North Pole and South Pole, how haven't we picked an east pole in south or West Pole in eighties pulling weast pole because we didn't pick the spot where the pole is? I know there's that, but I feel like we should pick an east and west. I think the West would be in Missouri. Right. I know that that's the magnetism stuff. Okay, you don't want to it's whatever. Okay. So he spent a lot of time in Antarctica because he's it was super cool. Right. Um, he saw penguins and he couldn't get enough of them. Kept going back. Um, World War Two starts Um and you know, he kind of got busy with war, so he stopped going to Antarctica. He's like, Dagan, this is really cut into my Antarctica time. But before the war he had filmed this video to Pique young people's interest in Antarctica, and so he, with the help of the U S Navy, was like, Antarctica is super cool, you should come research Antarctica with us when you grow up. That was the video and they just sifted off to schools around the country. This is real. I thought you were joking. And so there was a bunch of footage of him and create a timeshare commercial. Yeah, like when you graduate high school, come join me and as wonderful resort. Yeah, and so they get interrupted by the war. The war happens, it ends and then he's like hey, remember Antarctica, and then he goes to all people like we totally forgot about that. We didn't loot them into the World War at all. Yeah, guys, we forgot to tell an article about the World War. You think they'll be bad? That's why the official title of World War Two is world minus Antarctica War Two. They forgot to look him in. Whose side would have been on, you know, and that's what they that's why they didn't do it either. They knew the penguins will choose Hitler. So after the war, bird gets approved to do this. What a cool name, Richard Bird. He could go by rich bird or he can go by Ricky Bird, which is way cooler and it definitely sounds he's got a great rock album in the Nicky Bird. Ricky Bird. So Ricky Bird. He goes to navy and he's like, Hey, remember an article and they were like, Oh, yeah, you did so much cool stuff going there. The first time it's really cool. The other times we're like, but it would be cool you did that again. Every other time you've done something twice or twice it's been awesome, so why don't you do that? And so they said, Oh, we've got that video. I wonder if any of the youths that saw it before the war would be interested in joining you. They were. He took forty seven hundred people to anthy what so on one trip. Yeah, so he on one trip. Yeah. So this was called Operation Hyi. This was called Operation One people. So this was this was a a there's a few things happening on this but the largest portion of this was a research mission to Antarctica to study. Yeah, see how many come back what like, there's a few things that were doing. They were studying the environment. They were studying how do you how they could build a base. They coordinate travel for people while you lock on a true Vo town. Of that's the that's that's bigger than the town I grew up in. Yeah, that's pretty fair. Um, it's it's a lot of yeah, this is a lot of people. This isn't an alien thing. Well yet, I should give me time. Okay. So, yeah, people, Um, it was a research thing. They were studying one the environment and learning more just about Antarctica in general, like general science stuff, but also they were studying what would it look like if we built a base in Antarctica? Could we pull that off? What would could we do that? And then they were like also, they're like also, uh, we want to study, Uh, if we were in a war with Russia and they attacked us through the Arctic, how would our soldiers do in Arctic conditions? So they did like training missions for having to go out through the Arctic and engaging as to the Arctic. And then was also some other side that it's questionable. Uh, that was we'll get to that. But yeah, this was a huge mission. They brought so for this research mission, what was labeled public as a research mission, they brought people. They brought people, Um, a civilian. Uh No, well, they were soldiers and researchers. Soldiers and researchers. Um, they brought USS, destroyer, Henderson, USS Tanker, H M hm, cacapon, USS, taker, Canisteo, USS Destroyer Brownston. Um, uh, we'll just say two submarines, three supply ships, two icebreakers, an aircraft carrier and a few dozen airplanes and at the paratry. So this is a navy like this is a full navy fleet coming down to Antarctica for this research mission. Um. And so it's an eight month mission. UH, they end up calling it four weeks into it. Oh Gosh, they come back and people came back. Um, yeah, it was cold. Uh, he got a cold. He got a very severe cold. Now he like Got Frost Bitton or something like that. That's the that's what they say. Um, what do they say? UH, on the way back, uh, a reporter hits a ride on the aircraft carrier down there. He Oh, thank God you're here, stranded Antarctica for several years. He rolled by on his boat, rolled the window down. It was like, I'm a reporter, it's The New York Times, it's TMZ. Hey, Ricky Bird, remember me? We flew down together and you left me here last time. It's been three years. I missed the whole war. Well, you don't know that yet. Happened? Yeah, what's happened? We forgot to tell you guys in the Antarctic, but there was a world war. There's not you guys, there's no one else in the Antarctic. So a reporter is somehow with the group. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, he jumps on on board the ship. Wait, did he really roll up on a different boat? Yeah, I don't know how he got there. Somehow he ended up on the ship. Maybe he flew, because it's an air with him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, okay, somewhere along the journey he joined them. Somehow he ended up on the ship. Now they're back to people. Yeah, and so this is Admiral Bird's fourth trip to Antarctica. Right, Um, and he said that there was a quote that came from him in this interview with this reporter on board the ship on his return to the states. Um. And in this report he said, Um, uh. So I'm not trying to scare anyone, but the United States military needs to prepare itself with the cruel reality that in case of a new war, we need to be prepared to be attacked by planes flying over both of the polls. Um. What do you meant by that? Has Been extraculated upon quite a bit. Um. Some people say that he was saying this is just forces that are becoming capable of taking a trip over one of the Poles to get to a destination, because at that point they never did that. It was too long of a trip. They ark around somewhere or take a stop somewhere along the way. Other people, I think that what he was saying was that there are enemies that have the capability now to travel over both poles in a single trip, like go all the way around the world. Yeah, circumnavigating. There's people who have been able to do that for a long time. Just in connor balloons. He saw launcher Larry. Well, I was making around the world in eighty days. References, you know, but as if they didn't one continuous trip all the way around the world. That's what I thought when I first heard that title. Yeah, so, and there is a legend that after this he was institutionalized. Um, I haven't found anything to back that up. Um, that he came back. was like they can attack us from all over. Yeah, yeah, so and then, yeah, the legend says he was institutionalized after that. I haven't been able to instantiate that claim. I don't know. He might have been Um, but I do know he stopped talking about that after that report. That reports the only place he mentioned anything like that. And they stop saying something like that. Say That again. Yeah, they were like whatever you just said there, don't say that, and he was like which thing I said? Like they were like can you head that out? And he's like who are you pointing to? Are you? What are you talking about? Hey, thanks for checking about this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment. Uh, if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh. It's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff and there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. Here's here's where this story goes from Um, and it just little mission to America too. Very interesting ums, operations were down there. They had these guys in space suits, right, and they're jumping around an ARCTICA and they've got a flag that holds real still. Right. They got it all on video and they were like, twenty years later, we're going to release this and say we went to the mode pretty close. So, uh, you see, the energy just drained from me whenever we like, well, pretty close, I you should know by now that if I say pretty close to you, uh. So, about ten years later, in n the United States Military Uh launch what was known as Operation Argus Um and uh in publicly declassified documents. This operation was an operation uh to detonate nuclear bombs at a high altitude in order to create an artificial radiation belt around the earth, the whole Earth, and that radiation belt, in theory, would cause enough radiation to an intercontinental continental ballistic missile that, if it flew through that belt, it would get disabled. What was in that belt and could not continue its fight and would then crash land. So okay. So Rickey Bird, theorizes that someone could launch a missile over either the Poles. They could, they could be a plane. He said fly a plane, or he said fly. I think he just said fly, not even fly a plane. He said they could fly over the pulse. So they could, you know, attack US long range. And then they're like, well, what if we made like a little microwave belt? Then they can't fly at it. Yeah, yeah, so basically they're trying, what if, you know how, like we've got like this bug spray? They're like, there's a little bug up there and I can spray that bug. Could we like like a radiation bomb spray? This is sounds like something that would be like completely essentially, what they're trying to do is create a force field around the globe, on the side of America, where all their enemies everyone else, can just get nuke. Yeah, but we have a force field. Is what they were trying to do, Um, which sounds like a crazy idea, because it was um right. And so what they did, and that's what I mean, is that people higher up in the government are just like hey military, like they're spouting out stupid ideas, like they're just like could you like make like a like a force field that like when the bomb flies through, gets gets stuck in the ear, and then someone in the military has to legitimately spend a month of their degree earned life trying to figure out if it's possible. Yeah, and then they were like well, I guess it could. Maybe like spen a billion dollars testing it. Yeah, for Real, and there's like put a bunch of money toward it. Like, I don't know, is there any way to like, I don't know, bleach in your veins or something like what they say stuff, and they go just that work? Yeah, so the government's gonna be like, I guess we could try. So what happens is they've been theorizing this for a while and then in about a week long period, the U S military drops three nukes in Antarctica. Uh, and then all of a sudden, on that last nuke, they got rid of all the evidence, burned all the documents, all the tapes, all the evidence of what they did and well, you know why, declassified the radiation belt story, which is fishy. Oh, I was gonna say. I was going to theorize. The reason they did is because they launched four news right, three of them landed and the first one got caught in the belt. Like mission accomplished. It worked, a radiation belt. It worked. Yeah, they're like. They're like, I'm calling this the belt of truth. Now, if you guys can get started on the breast period of righteousness, how many times we gotta do your chest to give you the press? Flee the prestiousness. What is with you? Why did you send me a picture of God's armor this morning? Why did you do that? You sent me a picture of consoles. Someone tweeted that. That bus say. This is my phone background. It's also someone tweeted and I was like that's a really funny picture the armor. Okay, so, uh. So, anyways, so that happened right. Um, well, some questions have arised about these two operations in their connections. You know, since then nothing has happened in Antarctica pretty much at all. And then has been a pack to never knew anybody ever, ever again, and we're like, we're not doing that. Anybody, everyone never uh. And then there was this split country. Is like you're the only country that's done it and they're like, but we're not doing one's doing it anymore. No one's doing it. It's not cool anymore. Yeah, we're not no one anyway. So no one's doing that anymore. So it's so, wow, no one's doing that anymore. You're the ones that did it. So they split up an Arctica and an article into a bunch of countries and they a little pieces of the Pie. I didn't know that. Yeah, they did. So there's if you look at an article, maybe I'll grab a picture for you. It was claimed. Yeah, so they split up their research borders. So everybody in Antarctica got a little piece of the Pie, and they are legitimate pieces of the Pie. Every country kind of got a piece of the Pie. Um, you got Australia, Norway, United Kingdom, Prance down there in the corner, Prance. If you look at the funt that at Flix, like Apee, it's prance. Okay, Argentina, are we sharing? Yeah, there's there's some portions where there's there's a split. It's not an equal like. You got little portions of it. And then there's an unclaimed they call it west Arctica, Um, and that's legit the United States not get any? No, yeah, they were like, you guys nuked it. That's not cool. You don't get anything. Really, I think they do research in the unclaimed land and then they go to research. Argentina doesn't get any to itself. Argentina. She was like yeah, but we want some, and they're like, well, you can come to our area, but it's mine. They're like no, Argentina's is just inside the United Kingdom's territory. Of It. How odd. There might be a reason for that. Sure you'll find out. So anyway, so they split it up and into these research regions and, as far as we know, all that happens there now is a research they've demilitarized Um Antarcticle, because in the past it had been a militarized uh areas. Yeah, so everybody had like military bases there, including Germany, which, if you know anything about World War Two, they're the big they're the bad guy, they're the ones that everyone's like yeah, we don't want them doing anything, and so because they did something there, no one can anymore. Um, that's how that goes. They ruined it for everyone, as the Nazis do. So here's where things get interesting. Um, there is a theory. Um, and I should buy theory. I should say there is UM. There's a fact, a hard fact. There's a a Soviet document that was released, that was declassified in the eighties. Um, from a veteran who was present on operation high drump I jump I drump I high trunk. Okay, he was present on on a mission. He got captured by the Soviets in INTARCTICA. I don't know, just at some point, probably in Ohio. I thought he was like he was just out there in Antarctica looking around and sees the shadow of figure and he's like, I can't tell if this is a penguin or one of my buddies. And then and then the Soviet comes up. He's like, you come with me, it's a Soviet rush. It's a Soviet that's their little space. There, little snowmobile things. What they got? Windows? He's got roll up windows on a snowmobile. It's the Soviets. So, uh, he was getting interrogated and in the interrogation, uh, they asked him all these different questions about everything he experience. It's hard to get water boarding at the water freezes so fast. It's just it. Yeah, it like doesn't actually it just is a nuisance. It's just it's like some important crust ice on your faces and you're just like stop, it's that. He's gonna get interrogated and it comes up operation high jump and they're like what did you do there? It said, well, we did some research, we did some military stuff, but then there was the battle and the somebody's will like tell us about the battle, and he said that allegedly, in this battle, uh, they encountered somebody uh in their research and in the battle there was Um, AH, flying machines that run like anything he had ever seen. Um, and they engaged these, but they were a little they were obviously much more technically advanced and they were treated and they left. They left the whole in Anarcha, the middle of operation him. This is why they left, Um, is what he's saying. So they got engaged in with these um unidentified flying objects. Yeah, I think. I think he does call them saucer like objects, right. Um. And then that's the reason they left. And then that's the reason why, the years later, the U S Nuwke did is the theory, because whatever's there needs to not be there anymore. And that the theory also goes that that's what they waited twelve years to nukem they're like, we're gonna let him kind of hang out on there. Oh Man, they said, you don't know, you're messing government red tape. Is What that is. You know what they were like, we should do something about that. They get started on it immediately. Right. Takes some twelve years, and then then they were like, all right, we're ready to do something about those aliens in Aertica, and so I was like, what are you talking about? Oh shoot, that was the last president, you know, that was the other one. UH, okay, so it's a crazy idea. The idea was that Rear Admiral was talking about that when he said that they can fly over both Poles, and he's saying that this is a fast enough to fly over both Poles, and so we need to be prepared for that, and that's why he was institutionalized, allegedly. Uh So, there's a few theories about what happened here. You want to talk about it the head thing the whole time. There's a few theories. Not what's going on here. Uh So, theory number one? Number One, obviously aliens obviously we don't have to spend a lot of time on that because you get it. Yeah, you understand. There they encountered Ali it. Yeah, they encountered them, uh, and they got on a little firefight. Apparently the aliens had a base in Antarchi or something like that. I don't know, I don't know what the idea is. You know, you get it. Yeah, you know, it's been a lot of time on again, and I say this about aliens before too, if that's just where they landed, yeah, you know, they'd be like, man, there's nothing on this planet. What they would land there and say, man, there's nothing on this planet to start researching, and they would go all right, yeah, Um. So theory number two, this is one that's pretty interesting in my opinion. Uh, you're gonna hate this. Uh. It's the hollow earth theory. I don't know if you've heard of this, Um, but the theory basically goes, Um, that the earth is hollow, uh, and the access point is in Antarctica. So here, here's a picture of this is a satellite image of what Antarctica really looks like. So it's just a giant hole in both the Poles, north and south. Poles. There's a giant hole that leads into the earth and that's where the dwarves live and they've got better technology than us. Some people believe this. Yeah, so the idea is that inside the earth there's about mile core like of dirt and when you go through the holes there's a whole another earth and it's just like our earth. There is there's a sky and there's clouds and there's suns and stuff, but inside there it's a different earth. But they're much more technology. They know about US and they're, depending on whose theory you listen to, their either dwarves or their giants, either or Um. And they've got really good technology. And so they found. The theory is that, uh, these people in Antarctica on this mission found the whole uh, and then their military from that in inner Earth Society. It was like you can't come down here, but would down the South Pole. Yeah, so there's an opening there too. There's nobody on both hands and so they so you're saying? You're saying inside Earth's spot it's a colony technologically advanced dwarves or giants. They're really short of really tall. We're not sure that emerge to fight sometimes. Yeah, well, they're protecting it, because here's the deal. This is the garden of Eden. So those are the angels. That's what I thought. Now, if you pull up your chart of pull up your chart, your they believe that this is a garden of Eden. Eden in that thing, because I was literally about to say like is this PAENGEA earlier interesting? And so that was that was a theory I had. And so now everyone's got a little piece of the entrance. Okay, go back to prance. Prance, you notice there a piece of the pie doesn't go all the way in. Germany is not allowed. GO BACK TO WHY? Why would what we've found out later explain why Argentina isn't allowed to? I thought. Everybody like, yeah, the Argentinians, the Argentinians, I think that's Argentine people, through the inner earth people, the inner earth people are Argentinians. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. 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Um, and when they hit the moon, uh, the description of the quote is it rang like a bell for years. I just rang like they like they hit it and it was hall Um. There's a scientific explanation for it that I don't remember, but long story short, something about the story. Yeah, it really happened. It really happened. The Moon Ring. Yeah, it rang like a bell. Something about the seismic activity and the gravity on there is different than ours. So the contact with that made the reverberation through the whole of the moon lasts way longer as it passed through the whole planet, or I guess Moon, Um, and it rang. Yeah, but that theory is, it's it's that's proofs that it's hollow, which, if the moon's hollow, then so is the earth. And then if there's hollow, there must be super advanced inside there. It explains a lot. So yeah, there's this theory and that's why the government nuked it, because they were like, Hey, if we knuke you, then you're ours now, Um, hours, I don't know. They declared war on him? I'm not sure. Um. Yeah. What I like about this is they have they have a whole map down there, like they've thought through which way is what I'm thinking. Well, it's a glow inside there, so I understand. But so here's the idea. So here's the idea. So it's all water that is in the inside there that we're seeing. Yeah, yeah, so here's what you need to picture. All right, you got a beach volleyball. You cut a hole in the bottom of the beach volleyball and on the inside of the beach volleyball along the inside wall is the oceans and the land. They're gravitized towards the wall. In the middle you still have the core of the earth. That's the Sun for those people, and I guess at night it just turns around and turns into the Moon. I don't know, I don't understand there turn it just turns around it. It's like now it's night. Um, I don't know that what that idea is, but essentially you're now in an inverted earth scenario where the sky is going in towards the core and the earth is going out towards the earth. Um. Yeah, so this is pretty unnikely, I was not expecting the helpless eyes as you look up and you go pretty unlikely if you ask me. All right, but there's another theory that involves Argentina. Yeah, so here's the other theory and honestly I think this is the real one. Okay, so you remember Operation Paper Clip? Yeah, where after the war? If you haven't listened to that episode, should go back. Let's do it's actually very interesting. After war, Um, a bunch of different countries stole Nazi scientists. They were like hey, you were making actual like good scientis like science, like progress will ignore the fact that you did really horrific things if you come do that for us. And so they and so operation paper clip was the US version, where they just kind of hid the Nazis and said, yeah, we're your scientist, I've been a scientists the whole time. Yeah, and you've never done anything sketchy. And that's where we actually got to space. That's the move. Was a Nazi scientist pioneered a rocketry capabilities. Um. That and that cultist actually from another what was that guy's name? No, yeah, Jack Parsons. Thank you. So, anyways, so they here's the thing about the Nazis, though, Um, and we have record of their plans. There was this thing that the Nazis were trying to do called the wonder weapon, Um, which was basically like the weapon to end all weapons, um. And that is a large reason why we began working on the atom bomb, because we that was the closest thing we could come up with to what we thought that they were working on. But they were working in a lot of different is. So they were working in like missiles and stuff like that, and bombs. They were working with guns, like weird guns. They're also working with weird Um Bell and Um saucer shaped planes or aircraft. Um. So we have the plans for these. I think we also talked about this in operation. We might have. We might have. So we had the plans for some of these and I don't think that this is the original plans. I'm having a hard time finding the original plans, but we don't know if these have ever been built. But we did recover after the war the plans that at least the Nazis were trying to figure out how to create things like this. Um. Here's another artist rendering of the bell shaped craft that they were working on. Um, which kind of just looks like the furnace from home alone. Um, yeah, but like Nazis. Yeah, so this is a bell shaped one and then the other one is a bunch of what do you think when you think of flying saucer Ufos? So here's what's interesting about this. Um, there is a theory. Well, there's a theory. They built some yeah, they were in Antarctica. Yeah, so here's what here's here's a couple of things we know about the Nazis. Um, they were obsessed with Antarctica before our modern renditions of the the borders of Antarctica. They look like this and you don't notice. Nazi Germany had a pretty large territory uh, in the northern end of UH Antarctica, and they did a lot of research and activities and training and things like that, um, because they were just very interested in Antarctica. We also know that in a h a Nazi base was discovered, not in Antarctica but in the Arctic on an island in the North Pole, Antarctic Circle, that they had dug underground out on this island, it's called Um Alexandra Land Um, which is an island in the North Pole where they had built an underground Nazi fortress in the North Pole. That was discovered by the Soviets in uh and it was obviously vacant at this point. There was some Na. They're still fighting UH and so the theory goes that the Nazis, some of the Nazis that fled in World War Two, fled to Antarctica because they had a base there and they obviously operated a lot there. Um. We know that they have an arctic circle base and so it's possible that they did build another underground base in Antarctica that we have yet to discover. Yeah, so that's so. That's the theory was that while operation high jump was underway, we were in Nantarctica doing our thing and we stumbled upon that Nazi base where they were working on their flying, flying saucers to be able to kind of regroup and start their next attempt at the war. Uh, and the US stumbled upon it. Everybody, everybody came out and then they came back and nuked them. They're like we gotta get rid of them. Um. The Way Argentina comes into this is Argentina is one of the largest countries that house Nazis after the war and they've got that little slice where they kind of share it with everybody, because they were just like we want to be a part of this, we want to an Arctic because you can't have your own spot. They're like, we're still a little confused about you, because you're speaking German. Yeah, and we don't speak that. So if you can speak English, you also, when you started this conversation, you said it's the Nazi Germany and we're confused because you're Argentina. Uh, it's Nazi Germany. I mean it's I don't know how we could be more clear right now. We're also a little confused because you're giants but you're also really short at the same time small giants. You're you look like giants but you're little. It's very strange. Uh. So the theory is we stumbled upon this Nazi base where they were testing. Yeah, we bombed we bombed it three times and we measure the evidence. Um, okay, I don't know. Maybe there's three access points, maybe there was, um, but uh, we can't just take a trip to antarcticus. There's no way we can know for sure. Um, yeah, we're not allowed. The US doesn't. Why doesn't the US have any territory down there? I don't know. Probably probably because we need to. Everyone was probably no, you can't have something. No, no, that was rude. Um, I think they're just they share it with the UK or something to go down there. Or ants. I don't know. Um. Uh. There's one more theory. We don't have to spend a long time on this, but it's a similar concept. Where where this giant hole in Antarctica is, uh, there is a lush green forest where it's not frozen like the rest of Antarctica. Um, they yeah, you can't prove it's not and they discovered that and when they got there, whoever lived there by the Lante iniens said you can't come here, and they said okay, and then they used government foun out and they knwked it. Um. Yeah, so I think would probably happened. Honestly, I bet, I bet they found some Nazis down there. That seems like it could make sense. Yeah, it seems like the if, if operation hydrump and Operation Argus are connected, most likely it's because they found a Nazi base that some leftover Nazis went to and we're trying to work on their little ufo. Think is that. You know, we're entering into the Cold War era for operation, what is it called high, the other one us. Yeah, so they could have been there. There is credence. They could have been like nobody lives in America, let's drop some nukes, like that's how we can test some stuff there. But we were still testing stuff in Nevada at the time. Like yeah, but like they're like let's test things where we could destroy an entire continent. Maybe maybe they were testing bigger and stuff than they declassified. That's possible. Um, that's what I would think, is that even if you dropped it in Nevada, if it's gonna be it's gonna Shake America where we would feel it in Missouri. You probably don't want to drop that. Yeah, that's yeah, that's pretty fair. Um. But yeah, so this, this same time period where the military base in Antarcica from the Nazis would have existed, was a time when, Um, there was at amount, a large amount, I should say, of ufo sightings in Argentina. Um, which what? So at the same time of Operation Hydro in the Post War era, there was an increased amount of ufo stings in Argentina sacers. Yeah, and so if the Nazis did go there and they were testing their craft in Argentina, uh, and they also went to Antarctica, they could have been testing the craft and they could have seen as and it seems sketchy. So it was probably Nazis, Um, but man, man, do I hope it's the little middle Earth dwarves, middle earth that makes so much sense. It all happened. 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Ash Street Shootout – Gangsters & the Us Army Battle It Out

07-05-22

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All right, let's do an episode in Sod of talking crap about my girlfriend. Um Are we were rolling. Hey, man, have you ever heard of the Ash street shootout? Okay, no, the Ash Street, Ash Street shootout? Okay, no, have you? You're googling it right now. Yeah, I'm looking at it out, looking at it enough to make sure I get this right. So as street is a road in a neighborhood in Tacoma. It's Tacoma's hilltop neighborhood, is what it's called. Um, and so in, uh, the eighties. In the eighties can be remembered for a few things. Um, when you get in storyteller mode. So in the eighties, the eighties, can you like you switch, you start a sentence and you go no, I'm gonna add more flair. This the eighties. It's just take something takes over. You look like a used car salesman, a bad one that we can get you. In the eighties, by this night, tonight. That's why you never saw many cards tonight, this night. We scare them, we don't hurt them. I would help you, but you did not pay me. So, if you're shoking, you didn't. One guy standing out of the Sun Room. It's like it's your cripts. Oh Damn it, it's gonna be a really good joke. I can pull it off. Hold on things I learned last night. So the eighties can be remembered for a few things. One, uh, uh crazy world where kids could just go anywhere at any point and for any reason on the bike and nobody said that was about. Yeah, they wanted all over the neighood. The other thing that these were known for is the crack epidemic. And then the other thing was that at video game that they buried. Uh. Those are the three things. If you know nothing about the eighties, those are the three things you need to know. Uh. Those are the children, crack, cocaine, buried video games. This story focuses almost entirely on that middle one, the crack epidemic. So, uh, it's UH Tacoma, Washington, suburb of Seattle. Uh. And at this point in the the eighties, a lot of individuals from California, in Las Vegas, a lot of like South Western uh cities, were moving along the northern corridor to other cities. Part of migration happening from people moving from California moving up. Yeah, they were moving up. Um, they weren't moving up in the world, they were just moving up in the in the world there's moving up on the map. You oving up on the map, and so a lot of them. You're a met a person who thinks that north is up, you know, like when you're a kid and you don't understand how how maps work, and so you go north, is that way? Well, I mean it is, if that's the like, if that's the if that's the UH, the way you see the world, it's up. What did you just say? But if you look upside down, then it's down, because here's the thing. You're this this flat object floating through days. Is The round object, spay, and so, I mean, depending on which way you're looking at it. From space. Yeah, yeah, I mean. What? What? No, I mean like whenever you're a kid and you think that up is north, like above your head. Yeah, what do you idiot? What do you think? Well, I'm thinking if you're looking at the earth. Yeah, my English teacher, my English teacher in high school, had a map that was upside down, but it wasn't upside down. She kept saying. You know, you'd be like, oh, your map up, it's not upside down. It's any different perspective. It really was. Yeah. Well, and the way that she explained it was the reason that, you know, Europe and North America are on the top of the map is because that's where the we see ourselves. Well, that's where ourselves at the top. The explorers were all from those places that mapped out the world. Had they been from then, it would have been yeah, which is very peculiar. If you think about it, it is. Yeah, it was a cool map. I liked it. So this is what I was happening. A bunch of people from L A. WE'RE traveling up to Washington and they were drawing their maps upside down. Yeah, they were going down to Washington. They drew their maps upside down and he said, we came up from up in L A. Um, it's so hard to flip the language. We're going ahead. We came up from up Um because, because a couple of reasons, uh, prices were beginning to rise in L A and cities like in that southwest area. Um. Also, uh, the crack epidemic was getting very, very bad and those cities. So a lot of people were migrating northerly. Um, including did what is happening? No, uh, we just didn't do an episode last week. I think we did. Do you know what your face looks like? Your facebook said that guy from x or not x, from UH men in black. Yeah, that gets overtaken by the alien. Oh, yeah, as you're like, they moved up, you know, they moved up to Tacoma, Um, including the CRIPS. And so now they gang activity. Yeah, they're up in Tacoma moving crack cocaine, um, as was the norm in that era of the world history. Uh. And so a street, then the hill top neighborhood, was one of the most overrun neighborhoods for gang activity, specifically CRIP gang activity, in Tacoma Washington, and it have become such a big issue that the police uh stopped responding to calls. Um. What they said is it was the common phrase that they were used was over the hood or over the radio, Um, and so they stopped responding to over. So they stopped responding to over the radio calls. Instead it was just over the hood calls, meaning if they didn't physically see it happening, they didn't respond to it because they didn't have time. They were too busy responding to the stuff that they were watching in front of them, Um and so people were calling nine to one. The police just weren't shutting up because they were like, we can't see it, we're we're doing this other thing that we're looking at closed right now. We can't see that. Who, what street is it? Come in the address all, they paid us not to come. But this is the thing, though, is that so my parents house is out in the country and you know that they have to pay the fire department like a year or whatever. It might be more than that, might be a hundred dollars a year. That makes sense to me. Why? Because, I mean, if I if I don't want my house to be covered by the fire department, I should have the option to not pay for it. Now, obviously I'M gonna choose to pay for that in most scenarios. So you want, you want an ala carte tax systems, what you're saying? Because I'm just think, I don't have kids, why do I gotta pay for other people's kids to go to school? I if I don't have a home, if I'm homeless, why do I got to pay for fire just throughout the most ease? Like the Basic Libertarian talking point of Public School Education and then you started going to sideway sponkers. I'm trying to tell you that if, if they don't pay, that the fire department shows up and protects the neighbors houses that have paid and just lets their house burn. Yeah, I agree. No, no, no, you should agree. That's bad. Why would in what world does it exist where a fire department shows up with the tools to put the fire out and then they just go yeah, you didn't pay us, though, so I think that makes perfect sense. I genuinely I think that. I think they should. You want to send this out, because you look like a monster right now. Save anybody in the in the building. But I think if I choose not to pay for fire protection, I think that's my choice. So I'm saying that even if you, let's say, let's say you lapsed, right you, you just forgot to pay, you missed the payment, like you. You've done several times with your trash cans, and then your house catches on fire. You can't just pay them to do it like. You can't be like, okay, let me pay the hundred dollars, please put like they'll just let your house burn. Yeah, that's a bummer. Man. Here's the thing, man, I think it's I think that makes sense to me. It makes sense to me. I know you don't understand that, but to me it makes sense. Okay, well, when I'm your landlord, your your life's gonna be pretty difficult. Then there's gonna be a lot of stuff that makes sense to me at I cannot believe you're saying this right now. I'm genuinely like a little like, Hey, let's okay, let's talk about that off podcast then. And you got a bad opinions, man, that's fine. We're all inside of a couple of bad opinions. Okay, go ahead with our story then. So the police are just like, all right, we don't have time, like, we don't have the resources to deal with every call that's coming in. They're not. They're not responding to anything because they think, oh, I don't have like we don't, we're not seeing it, we don't have the resources. And at the same time, like it becomes such a big deal that, no matter what they did, like they couldn't, they couldn't keep up with this right, because it was just too it was too big of an issue. Well, Um, Ah uh, an army ranger moved into the neighborhood and his his reason for this. He was like, I'm going to clean up these streets. We kind of. And so his name is Staff Sergeant William Folk. He was stationed at a nearby army base. He's an Army Ranger, had served in he was like, I'm going to move in to clean up the streets. Yeah, he served in the war in Panama Um and it wasn't like he moved into clamp the street, but he moved in betting that the issues we're going to go away soon and it was like an investment. So he got the house super cheap and he's like, eventually this neighborhood clean up and I'll that'll appreciate and about you. Well, he moves in and that wasn't happening, and so, wanting to protect his investment, he was trying to help the local police in helping police the neighborhood. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment. Uh, if you want to listen to another episode, my favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh, it's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff, and there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites, but thanks for being here. So to protect his investment. Yeah, suit, no, he doesn't buy a super suit. This is Seattle's out in. He what he did a street property and he's like, I am here to vigilante this street. He bought a bunch of cameras and installed them all over his house, like the watch our guys should have done Um. And so he puts all these cameras out watching the neighborhood and then he starts sending that footage to the police. Whenever he sees drug deals happen. He's like you guys, Oh, come on. And so he's like hey, he's like, he's like there's there's our drug dealers. He said, Hey, look at that, get those drug dealers and the police are like that video, I guess we can see that. Now they're like, well, that guy paid us to not do anything, so we can't respond to Yah. Yeah, that guy doesn't. Well, that house doesn't pay for police protection. So Um, well, it word got out that this guy is taking videos, Um, and so that he became like a target for them. What an idiot. And so he had a couple in UH interactions with the crips um that were heated arguments, but not like nothing violent ever came from them. Well, yeah, I mean let's say that you move into a neighborhood where established crime is happening, right, and we did a whole episode about frue Eric Ross, like these drug empires are not just like little street dealers just, you know, hey, like this is a full blown these are big operations. If you mess with that stuff, that's a problem. So you move into their neighborhood and then you start putting up cameras to snitch to the police. So in my mind, I got that guy deserves to get beat up, not probably not killed, but it deserves to get but it's like, what are you doing? Like, what else do you what? What outcome do you expect? That's what I think. Like you think the police are gonna come in and clear out the rest of the neighborhood and everyone move out. I think the outcome he expects is he's an army ranger and so he thinks he can take the crips Um roll, which probably he probably camp, because this guy's Jason Bourne. Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal of the crips there. They don't have any training. They just have a bunch of penty two. You don't know that. You don't know if they got a boot Cape. I can picture. Have you seen the movie JAR head? No, you haven't seen JAR head. It's kind of boring. It's not a great movie. Um, it's boring, like honey boom he uh, couldn't pay me to watch that movie. Well, first of all, blade is a great movie. Um. anyways. So, uh, it's a it's a kind of boring movie, but the majority of it is about boot camp, Um, and it ends up being like a guy snaps in boot camp and it's like sorry, spoilers, Um, but anyways, how old the movie? UH, probably like two thousand two. Yeah, I don't feel bad about spoiling so it came out twenty years ago. If you wanted to watch you probably would have seen it by now. Um. So I'm picturing a a JAR head, but it's the crypts boot camp and that's that's like your stereotypical movie where you see all of the like, you see all from and you know, all right, I would help you, but you did not pay me. So, if you're a show idiot, you didn't. You didn't pay me. So that not to pay for it. I think if I want to not pay for it, I have that. If you don't have the ability to pay for it, Tim Yeah, well, I think if you don't have the ability to pay for it, then you have to. Then you have no choice. But if you have the ability to make the choice, then you should have the ability to make the choice. Are you cutting that out? He's I'm taking notes. I thought he was gootting that he had a sound issue. Okay, so folk uh, thinking he could take on the entire crypt organization, at least in that neighborhood. Yeah, he's, he's, he's filming them, he's having arguments with them, Um, and then one day it all kind of culminates where he threw this barbecue. Um, and he threw a barbecue. Yeah, it's just a friendly neighborhood barbecue, and he's just living in this neighborhood. This isn't like an investment property, this is he lives there. Well, he lives there, but he bought it as an investment. Like he probably would have bought it somewhere else, but he's like, Oh, I could buy this house way cheaper. But he did buy it and wait for it increasing value. He lived there. Yeah, he lived there. He lived there. Well, he also lived on base, so whenever he wasn't on base he was at this right Um. Uh. So he uh, he throws this barbecue and uh, in the middle of the Barbie Q uh, some's got military buddies over. Yeah, he's got all of his his buddies over, which are most likely all military people. Yeah, because, like you know, those are the people he knows. So you're not allowed to make friends outside of it. He's doing this barbecue and during the bobby que uh car rolls by, Uh and it's the CRIMPS. Uh. And what's that funny to you, just because we all knew that? It's just the idea that they roll the window down and they go it's the cramps. It's one guy standing out of the Sun Room. It's like it's the CRIPS. It's like yeah, I mean he could all deduce from the story you're telling it was. It made it sound like they they announced their arrival. It's like a roll down window. That takes some time. It's like it's the CRIPS. They got the whole one, and that's like, yeah, that's how you made it sound. It's the CRIP sargeant folk. Uh. So the guy comes by and he does the little like handgun thing, or he's like I'm shooting you, like but it's just your hand, you know, like your friend. And so, uh, sargeant fault doesn't take kindly to that. So he starts yelling at the guys and the guys are like, you don't know who you're messing with, and he's like, you don't know who you're messing with. And and so then they they're like, all right, we'll see you later to night, and he's like, we'll see you later this night. So like we'll see you later to night. The CRIPS, we'll see you later this night, and they'd talk like Dracula. For some reason roll their window up. It's stuck. It's a broken window. The guy grabs it with his hands pulls we'll see you later this night, but he's gonna have a little room for his fingers on the top. And then he cut the other side and tries to palm. If you've never been poor, like we have, right, like we know how to you. Your car is still like this, but like your your window doesn't work, that your fingertips grab enough grip on there and the fake, uh, fake tint is peeling off. Blows in the wind. Yep, YEP, Yep. Um. anyways, so they kind of had this. So they were like hey, tonight. They're like, we'll see you tonight. And and then he goes back to the barbecue and he's like. He's like hey, everybody, go get your guns and come back. And so all of his army ranger buddies go get their guns and he basically makes the strategy. And he's a sargeant. So he builds this strategy and has everybody position at different posts throughout his property. Uh, and he tells them he said, Hey, look, don't kill anybody. He said, just suppressive fire. Show them that we're better than them at this. It's like literally what he says. Uh. And so then they shut out all the lights on the property and they all just take their to their posts and they just wait, uh, and then late in the evening Levin. This is what every person who like, is she like you can watch this home alone. Yeah, but like the people who make the second amendment their identity. You know what I'm talking about. Like my dad, we we shoot guns. I'm not any kind of like anti gun person understanding. Like the people who like that's their that is their identity, and they, like you, the people who have like their their kitchen, the SPATULA is shaped like an assault rifle, you know, like just weird, weird people. This is their fantasy. They believe that people are going to come storm their house and in there. In their mind they're like, yeah, my house is gonna be dark, like they've got like some weird plans, you know. Yeah, and they're going to defend it and win. Right. This is like their fantasy. Yeah, but like these dudes are Army Rangers, so it's like and they're actually like they've got actual contacts. So later that evening, at eleven am, midnight, and they're like hey, guys, we could really hurt these dudes. Let's take it easy. Yeah, don't hurt them, just scare them. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future. Go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify Youtube, you'll get it alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight, six six. Thank you so much for being here. Uh. So, later that evening, um a car is that? In the car after he finally had the window up, he was like, all right, guys, that's how you talk tonight. This night. We scare them. We don't hurt them, we scare them in is how they say, you know. They drive off and he makes the horn sound with his mouth. They both planned on not hurting each other. So the same car comes back down to the end of the block, pulls up, turn it slides off. Yeah, the other end of the block, another car pulls up, turns, it slides off back behind the house in the car comes up, turns, it slights off and then one of them from one of the cars just POPs off a couple of shots from a small caliber handgun, Um, and then the rangers just lit him up from all sides, just unloaded on them, and so all the people in the cars like fell out of the cars, ran around like we're taking cover behind the cars, and like the Rangers are in every every single window in the house, every direction, just peppering all these gangsters that were expecting to just come honestly, probably just do a drive by and get out of that. Yeah, they were like, we were just gonna scare you, we were gonna shoot your cameras. Yeah, we're gonna shoot your cameras and leave and be like hey, you're scared. And now these guys are coming out with like literal military like a great assault. It was Dang, it's gonna be a really good joke, like I'm pulling off. Hold on, I can't remember. What's the suit called, the suit that Alex Jones wore into the place of the Bohemian Growth? Yeah, what's the suit called? Were they're in? They're disguised as the tree and a stuf. Oh, they guilly. That's right. Is that guy of Gillies, kind of gillies sue? Yeah, it's like dude, this is not a serious man. Yeah, so they've got military grade hardware, like, Um, literally calling one of their tank buddies who runs around the corner turn its lights off right over hill. We guys it, turned the lights off. They can't see. You're like, hold on, maybe we didn't know. Maybe he's right. We didn't know. The Rangers are like, we didn't call that helicopter. May We didn't know who we were missing the CRIPP can you say that? I don't know. Out of the helicopter? WHO's a guy landing out of it's the crist like, Wha, wait a minute, shoooo okay, so they but they did? They did they start killing them, like you mean? They let him up, like they just yeah. So, so they were doing suppressive fires. So they weren't actually hitting them. They were just firing over their heads, firing at their cover, Um, and making sure that it was like you can't move because you're getting shot at, but you're not getting physically shot Um. And it stayed this way for a while, UM, about ten minutes of exchanging fire, of them just kind of suppressing them, um, until one guy decided to like go Rambo and he thought, I'm just Gonnas, no one of the CRIPS. He thought, I'm just gonna storm the building, which why, in any scenario, or you're shooting at this house, where there's like nineteen different windows that people are shooting back at you out of where, you would think, I'm just gonna run storm the doors. Are In the house? Yeah, they're in the house. They're in windows and stuff. They're not behind throughout the neighborhood. No, no, no, no, they're all shooting there, all in the house. Um, yes, so they have different positions in different windows, like the attic, second floor, first four, stuff like that. So they're all out of place. Sure. So this guy, uh, decides to just storm the front door, while one of the guys like, well, can't him just get in here? So they caught him in the leg, Um and then. So then he just sprays the building a whole bunch and runs back uh. But that was the only confirmed hit of this whole event, was this guy who tried to storm the building. Okay, meanwhile one of the neighbors is laying down in her kitchen being like what the heck is happening? She calls the cops. Cops like, we can't see it. All right. No, ma'am, I'm sorry. I know you're scared right now and I would love to empathize with you, but we can't be there because there's a lot of other stuff going on. No, no, no, I know. No, I understand. It sounds intense. I'm sure we'll see the video tomorrow from that guy. Yeah, I'm sure he'll send it to us. She'll send it. I'm sure he'll send it over. Um. Well, the police ended up responding. Uh, and so when they came down to the end of the block, the guy just speed the cop full speed, sirens on and everything, just driving down the block and he gets he gets there and there's all these shots everywhere. And and in the police report he got there, he was by himself. He got there, hit there, listening to the radio. Who's like, you know what, tonight, tonight, we are going to check on this tonight. It's over the radio, not over the hood. That's right. So he just does. Guy Shows off to a clearly like the ladies being like there's a ton of gunfire. There's like twenty thirty people exchanging gunfire on her, and he's like yeah, I got it. Yeah, and so he sirens blaring full speed down this block, gets to where the gunfire is and and then the police report, he threw it in reverse and just backed the heck out of it. They got there and then I was like, oh no, and so he backed away, but him just pulling down the block was enough to scare away the majority of the CRIPS. So they all booked it started running. Um. Eventually back up arrived and they were able to track down one of the gang members. Not Hard to find him. Everyone else is running fast. Yeah, I got a weird limp. It's just the thing that happened. Uh, you know what they say. Yeah, you know, you gotta keep an eye out for people who limp. And so, uh, they arrested him and he ended up getting like two years in jail for some possession of the Rangers not in trouble for this at all. Well, so what? Here's what happens. So Um ended up be in a thirty minute shootout that they were out there just exchanging gunfire. About Three D rounds were shot from both sides. Um, what did the house? It's God, looks like freaking Swiss Gee. Yeah, yeah, it, I mean I'm sure. UH, the police seize all the weapons from the Rangers for the investigation. They investigate, they end up giving it back to him and the police say, uh, you're defending yourself, of self defense. The Army Rangers checked in the case and they said yeah, also self defense. So they didn't get any they didn't get trouble from the Rangers, didn't get in trouble from the police. The crypt. That crypt did get arrested. The rest of them got away. As far as we know, no one other than that person who got taed in the leg was injured in the event, like not even not even. Yeah, yeah, for Real, though, like there's a real there's a nobody even tripped and fell and hurt themselves that. Yeah, yeah, there was. Well, there was one of the one of the Rangers, was by a window that got shot out and he got cut by some glass. Um, that like some straight glass. But other than that there was no serious injuries reported. Um, that being said, some people think that when they scattered, they ran to out of town hospitals where they got treated. So the way they can be connected to the event. Um, you got a bunch of guys showing up at the hospital being like, yeah, I'm gun wound. Yeah, Oh, yeah, from. Is it from the same thing? From? Yeah, is it from that big gunfire over in the hill top neighborhood? Yeah, we heard that over the radio. Yea. And the guy laying there getting treated as I guess the cribs not very good at hiding it shot. Uh. Yeah. So, uh, here's the thing. This moment was a turning point in policing in the Seattle Metro area, because the police were like hey, if we don't, you know, do our jobs, then people like this guy are gonna try to do it for us and they might not be as well trained as him. Uh, and exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, and so the police were like, we need to actually, it's not going to go well. Yeah, we need to do a better job at helping protect these names, because as soon as the police show up, one guy is enough to scare off some, you know, some of these gunfight yeah, because, because, I mean they presume those fifteen ish crip gang members that were on site for that and they all ran when they saw one cop, but when they got shot at by Twelve Army Rangers, they stayed there and kept shooting back at them. Um, which is really interesting when you think about it, Um, because at the end of the day, the Army Rangers are better trained in combat scenarios than a police officer would be. Um, so they should be more scared of them. But they weren't. Well, I don't. I mean I don't think that they were out the window being like it's the rangers, you know. I don't think again, you're thinking like like that guy opened the window. It was like ranger time, you know, go, go, Army Rangers, and they were like, you know, they were rolling out the street being like Huh, well, Oh, no, we didn't know who we were messing with. They really didn't, though. That's the whole thing, is that they didn't know who they were messing with. And so this changed the trend that for all a long time in the eighties, uh, there was this trend of what was called community or neighborhood policing, and the idea was that if you were a cop, your job was to get out of your car and get to know people in the community and your presence relationship with people was going to turn the neighborhood around. Um. But that didn't work. The people just kind of it created dirty cops, Um, and so the cops would turn a blind eye to a lot of their friends because now they had friends people who were criminals. Um. This change that trend and made it to where, Hey, your job is to, you know, protect the neighborhood. Um. Granted, it didn't have the same effect that I think they anticipated, but it ended up helping really turned the neighborhood. This neighborhood actually, coincidentally, is the safest neighborhood in the Seattle Metro are right now, um, because everybody knows, Hey, if you do anything there the Army Rangers. Um. But yeah, so it's sparked a major police reform and it actually led to a major change in gang activity in the area as well. Because of the Kings. We're not going back there and now the whole neighborhood is gentrified. So anyway, so the stargeant didn't get in really any trouble, um, because considered self defense. Um. And Uh, the neighborhood did turn around and his investment, I mean surely by now, especially in the Seattle Metro, it appreciated quite a bit. So he made technically speaking, he made a lot of money off. So he still lives there? Does he really, though? Still got the cameras and everything. Never fixed the bull holes. You know, if he would, I think his investment will go up. So the response to this is the response that I want someone to have towards the watcher. Yeah, is wait, okay, so you're saying I'm saying. Say you want the watcher to say, Hey, I said have a bunch of cameras. You don't know who you're messing with. We're gonna shoot you don't know. I don't want the watcher to say that. I want the person who lives in the house to say that to the watcher. H You know, I would put a letter in the mailbox and say, if you even listen to like the watcher episode, it's It's worth. But yeah, that's the response that I want. Is someone to be like, I'm going to protect this house. Yeah, with Nineteen Rangers. Actually, apartment I've got two rangers sitting and you know we're watching at all times. Yeah, just protecting your health. Right now they're watching bilk in nine nine, which is pretty it's a kind of brand for them or whatever. But yeah, I've got like four things I let them watch. Yeah, the last the last guy was like watching new girl all the time and I was like, I don't trust you to me. You're going to defend this house? You? Yeah, so we fired him. Someone broke into my my neighbor's upstairs. I wouldn't let my Rangers Stop Him, you know, because like they didn't pay them, pay for the Rangers. Yeah, gotta, you gotta pay the Rangers, pay the ranger or get ranged. Yeah, anyways, that's the shoot out of a street to come on Washington. Pretty crazy story. I was setting that up so you could come up with a fiddle off, but I thought you were gonna do it. All right, we'll fiddle it off then. Things that then last night, is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Kleb but Goldberg, and our social media is run by Kayla Barker. Our host are Jarre Meyers and Tim Stone. FOLLO US on your favorite social media platform at tilling. PODCAST IS T I L L and podcast. 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In the 1980’s Tacoma, Washington, faced a stark increase in gang activity. The hilltop neighborhood was a particularly active subset of the city and became a hub for the illegal drug trade in the town. However, when one Army Ranger bought a home in the neighborhood, he took matters into his own hands. Sergeant Bill Foulk installed security cameras and … Read More

Julian Assange – The Wikileaks Founder and America’s Enemy Number One

06-28-22

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Amen. I have. Have you ever heard of Julian Assange? Oh, yes, yeah, that's that. They serve the it's like dairy queen's Little Mall thing, right. They're g Julius SMOOTHIES, stuff that's really good. Oh my God, people, we just love the theater. No whole atmosphere, you know, we just love going and if you don't get popcorn, you don't get the experience. I can't say most words and I feel like I just ex tradition very well. Yeah, I mean it's not a word, but go ahead. Yeah, we need to rest that guy. We hate this guy. Things I learned last night. Not Orange Julius, Julian Assang. It's pretty close. Have you ever heard of them? Sorry, is that the French is version of it? As what they call it over there? Just Orange Julius, but over there they call it Julius like this, and it's going through Julius, and that sounds legitimately like what they've done out. I mean, you got me there. Yeah, no, I know who this guy is. Let's just go on, do you? Yeah, he's the the the wikileaks Guy. Oh, I don't know. Ay, they beyond that though. Okay, he's got a bad haircut. Yeah, he does have a pretty rough hair yeah, he, and I mean he's had a few haircut Julie says, and the owner of the now Las Vegas Raiders. They go to the same barber. I'll tell you what. Have you seen the owner of the raiders? Why don't you just Google raiders owner? Yeah, let me grab a picture of him. Sure, I'll get a picture of him and I'll get your an audio listeners on our imagine. Imagine like a puppets hair. Yeah, you know I'm talking about. It's pretty bad. That's probably the best description. Like hair. Yeah, I have a doll ever, like a little puppet, you know, and that's what the hair on this human being looks like. You gotta pulled up. Yeah, yeah, hol on, I'm loading it in the propres right now. So cool, two seconds. Yeah, cut this part out also, never mind, leave it in. So here is the owner of the raiders, as I'm saying, is here. Looks like, looks like, it's looks like. Yeah, it is made. Is Worth so much money. Yeah, and he gives his barber none of it. I bet he does this himself. He's got a cut of the cuts his on air. Yeah, for sure, yeah, for sure. Different picture. Worries outside because the sun reflects off of it differently. Yeah, this is a he's got like some ginger hairs. is like a good picture. This is the best picture that exists at this man. This is a good picture of this guy. You know I'm saying pretty no, I say this about him though, joyful. He's a happy man for some such bad hand. Look at the wrinkles on his face. You can tell that he smiles like this a lot. You don't smile like that unless you're genuinely happy. And but Julian Assange, she has a picture of Julian assage, very similar haircut. You can tell they go to the same place. That was fun. I like it. audio listener. He just put a picture of John Christ up there. Orange Julius. Yeah, you know, cut that John Chris joke out. Yeah, see, he looks like okay, so Julia's assage looks like now here's. I don't know how fast you can do this. Okay, okay, but if you can pull up a picture of the Oakland raiders owner and Malfoy from Harry Potter I the best way I can describe Julie Sage is that he looks like he plays the clarinet. Do you say Julia sosage? Whatever, his name is, Julian, Julian asy? I know I'm stuck on Orange Julius. Now, Julian assage. He looks like he plays the clarinets. Got The best, best description of anybody I've ever heard. Yes, he plays the clarinet. Here's DRACO, Yep, here's Mark Davis, the owner of the raiders, and you're telling me that these two put together together equals this person, sage. That's pretty accurate. That's a pretty good yeah, that's a pretty obvious a squared plus B squared equal. See squared. Yeah, that's death. Yeah, anyway, tell me about them. Yeah, so Julian Sage. He's famous for starting wiki leaks once. You probably heard of because they've they started wikipedia. They didn't. They didn't do that. They're different thing. Why don't you tell us what Wiki leaks is? Okay, are you going to in this? I mean now, it's a good time. Yeah, give the listener an idea. Wiki leaks is a website where, if you have something that you wanted to, I don't know, leak to the public, you could log in there and you could have no anonymously give all your information and then what Wiki leaks would do is they would review it and determine whether or not it was legitimate and then they would publish it for you anonymously. And so they weren't actually going out and getting any of this stuff on their own. This is sourced in a space source information. How are they verifying it? How do we know? They read it and they say they go this might he's real. Yeah, that's why last week I went on there and I typed my friend Timothy J stone, is the count or Saint Germain. Submit, submit, and it worked. Yeah, it's on there. I think you have to include like documents. I think there has to be, though. I did. Yeah, I have blooded a whole folder. I'm just it's been my dad. I've been collecting on you for decades. I'm look how old this guy looks. I there's like images that you've doctored and like all these like documents from the FBI that you photoshopped. Yeah, about me being okay, that's great. Well, this picture of him, we're in FBI. Had He knows about the FBI. He must be a part of it. So it's a site that you could leak information through? Yeah, if you had something about they would what really kind of based on a feeling? Did they have fact checkers? Do they have any kind of I think they did, like I don't think it was just like Oh, this feels real, like you had to release your documents, this feels real. There's someone who goes, HMM, I don't get a good feeling about this one. They printed it out and they had two. They have like for Manila folders laying on the table all closed, and then someone just goes getting a good feeling from this one. Good about this? They had this one feels like scientology, but this one, this one, feels real. Now they put it they had scales and their office, like old fashioned scales, and then they had a document that they owned, that they had purchased. This is true. That was real. They would put that on one side and they put it on the other side and if it balanced, then it was true. That's how they did it. I've this one's on make them up. So they would publish these documents and there they've gotten pretty famtasy because there's been a lot of very majoracify things that they published that have come from directly from wiki leaks, and Julian assange is the founder of what key links? He was born in one thousand nine hundred and twenty one and Australia, to parents who were theater people. They watched a lot of movies. Oh my gosh, people, we just love the theater. No whole atmosphere, you know, we just love going and if you don't get popcorn, you don't get the experience. They were. They traveled around Australia and they would put on these productions, okay, and they were they like I mean they acted sometimes, but more than acting they like produced these plays and musicals and things like that. And so by the time Julian graduated high school he had lived in thirty different cities, Oh and gone to thirty different schools and met thirty different people. Just one personal he's school. I'm only allowed to be one of you. WHO WILL IT BE? With the pointings society? Hello, class, we have a new student today. He Hasher's the teacher. I've got a good feeling about that one. Meet me outside at reesis. Tell me everything you know about the Australian government. The kid is just like it's a first grade. Yeah, he's like Hey, I'm like eight, no, sir, I am young. It's as I'm glad you picked me because, man, I am very old. Yeah, but what if he finds like the kid who does know a lot about the government? You know, he's like, okay, I got you, brother. Think children are conspiracy theorist? You think there's like conspiracy theories kids out there? Oh, for sure, I was one of them. Go ahead. Then Julian is size. So He's gone it. He's got a he's a diverse life. Yeah, just think he's experienced a lot of things all over us, the Australian outback and front, back. All right, what if if out back is wouldn't be out front in Oh yeah, out front, I was gonna say in back. He knows the outback, the outfront, the in back and the infront. been to them all. So Julian's got a wide array of experiences and he gets really into computers when he's in high school. So much show that. By the reason, high school, this is like the S. Yeah, this is the s somewhere. So that in the in the s he joined an ethical hacking group which, if you don't know, there's such a thing as ethical hacking, basically what it is is you and all your hacker buddies. You find organizations, whether their companies or governments or crime sent the Kates sure, are doing illegal things and you hack them and you make it to where you change their passwords and stuff. I don't know. Yeah, are you? You Find You just stumble across one of their computers, still logged into facebook, and you post in their status and you go, I got hacked back. They're so embarrassed, so they reveal all their secrets. They stop being a bad person. Oh my gosh, I'm so embarrassed. I have to change my ways. You embarrassed me in the purity that was you group in the well, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's not peer pressure, it's for your pressure. Oh Man, yeah, you're really letting that will wash over you terrible. So, so, yeah, so he got into ethical hacking. Yeah, in the S. and there are some, some ethical hacking groups still. Yeah, there's plenty of them, and in fact it's a huge thing. Like governments have ethical hacking squadrons, okay, that are ethnically hacking their enemies, which, at that point the word ethical comes into question. I was gonna say yeah, I mean anything is ethical. Anything is ethical as long as you are convinced that what you were doing is good. But even if what you're doing is good, is evil, if you have decided that it's good, it's ethical. Yep, Yep. We could get into a whole thing here, you know, but we're not professors, we're not ethics and one of us has a degree. Great. So there is allegedly he was involved, and the major in one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine there was a major hack against the NASA, Nassa. It was a worm virus which were popular in the S. basically it was a bug that went into the computer just broke everything, known as wink, which was worms against nuclear killers, which I don't think the NASA built nukes ever, sure, but they did build rockets which were would be strapp propelling to new nukes. anyways, there's there's allegedly he was a part of that and either a part of developing the wink virus or did develop it and shirts and which is the type of thing. It does fall in line with the type of thing that you're told us. Part of the step very slowly, just so you know. Sorry, really speaking, developed a if that was too slow, for you. Allegedly change it to double spat. Go back, change to the maybe play again. was used against NASA and I don't think that NASA. Okay, whatever, fine thinking. I'll talk faster. Okay, Geez, okay, you're ready. He may or may not have they. Do you set think it's like the friend. Do you feel crazy you're sounding right now, do you there? Are you annoyed that I'm talking like that? Yeah, and we all see it too. Yeah, of us, all of us, every all three of us that listen to this episode. I get that. I get it. You can't. You could have just said hey, so fast, talk with your Mug. What are you doing? Put the Mug down holding them. I Ken't I'm so distracted. But the fact that you're just like anyway, so here you, you're talking with it. You're talking with it like it's Bel Crow to your hand, right, you're just like, all right, anyway. We velcrowed this to my hand before the shoot. We super lute of velcristripped to the pom of my hand. Yeah, it's great. Two options. We could have super gluted the cup to your hand, but that would damage the cup. Yeah, you're right. We needed to super go vell crow to your hand. We don't let that dry. Then we had to put Vlkar on the Mug. What she said? bickly? Yes, obviously. And then now we have and you just ripped your skin off. Hurt a lot. You can't put that mug down for the rest of the episode. Got It. Deal, deal, very funny, SA. Okay, so we should quick. We can't do this. It's we made it. We made it some time, all right, but we should give up. So Julian, he was allegedly par backing group, a part of a mythical hacken group. They did some things that maybe people knew about. Yeah, this wink thing was very much in line with the type of stuff that he's doing. He was really big on he was very antiwar Proslos. So what I knew? As soon as I told you, as soon as you're going to talk real fast, I was like, I'm gonna M Er joke. All Right, his dad was a big antiwar guy, okay, for years before this. And so it seems like Julian picks. All their plays were like Ati war plays. Yeah, okay. They would roll into town and they'd be like invite everyone, this is war crimes. The musical. It was like, okay, Heaven's Gate, the Hell's flames kind of thing, but it was about war. was about war. I love that for them. Yeah, so he was always very day anti aware of what was happening in the world. Vary easy, yes, yes, his or his parents. Would you call his parents activists or not? I would call him activists, okay. And so he got into a little bit of activism and himself mostly through hacking, the activism, if you will, write. And so he had a lot of stuff. And then in this is fun. Where's the types of them? I saw your brain. Try to figure it out outside your brain. Look at the keyboard and then look at the Mug. You can put them like down the type. No, I can't. It's about good to my hand. I figured it out. So in the late s he again working on this project that would eventually become wiki leaks. But she released in October of two thousand and six, okay, which wikipedia very nicely told me is fifteen years ago. Incorrectly. It's actually sixteen years ago. Yeah, hasn't been updated. So anyways, wiki leaks comes out and almost immediately becomes a worldwide firestorm because they started leaking things. Yeah, but like how do you build a leaking website? You know how, like what is the first thing? Like you're like, I want to build a place where people leak things. And then you just go where. You just like be like hey, is there anything they were to leak? Like what do you? How do you? Yeah, I think, I think. And then someone in it, in a cubicle with your office is like I've been waiting for this day, I've got something. I think it's similar to like, like I sure it was just a contact form. You would upload all your stuff and then, I mean, I understand how a website works. I'm saying, how do you eat the word out? Well, marketing. Oh, they started a big billion dollar ad campaign, had a super bowl add okay, there's like got a big secret about the Gout, the state's government. Oh, I was thinking, like exposed the secrets, you know, and then use get people being like my neighbor's cheating on his wife and they put like put that on wiki leaks, but that on wiki leaks? No, they were more concerned with war. Okay. Well, they released this file that has since been dubbed the collateral murder footage. Oh, from a air strike in Baghdad, and this was obviously the middle of the opera war on terror. Yeah, and in this video is the videos pretty horrible. There's a there's a group of what the the pilots of this helicopter seemed to think our militants, right, but there it's just a group of like locals walking through the town and they saw they thought they were holding guns. They're actually reporters from Reuters reporting on the war. They had big cameras with long lenses that they were capturing things with, and so they were talking back and forth with base, with the local forward base, and basically trying to get permission to fire them. Eventually I got it, and then engage them, kill them all. But there's kids there. And the horrible part about the videos you can hear the pilots and the gunners like laughing and cracking jokes while they're shooting these people. Oh yeah, and then at the end of it you hear one of them says, well, that's what you get from bringing your kids to a gunfight, and the other guys like yeah, yeah, and so like it was it was a very like very supvideo roootage that comes out that gets that hits the news and it becomes a giant media firestorm. Right. That was like their first big leak. Yeah, okay, I mean they had leaked other stuff, but this was, yeah, this is the first thing that like they put the story out about the neighbor's wife and all that stuff. They did the small ones, but they did a lot of this is their big one. This is their big one, and this was almost overnight, instant worldwide news. Oh, for sure, everyone's talking about it and covering it. Well, I mean like, and do you think that shape Internet culture now? Because Internet culture now is just like you can just put stuff. I see twitter videos that are just like, you know, exposing people on Online. Maybe maybe, because I don't know if I remember a time before that. I mean to be fair, before that, before two thousand and six, there wasn't a lot of opportunity. It wasn't a lot of Internet for you to put your own stuff on the Internet. That's true. Yeah, like Youtube didn't exist. You would have to have any resource to put things out. For sure, was my space. There was place is where you could post off, but it was a lot less than anyway. The Internet definitely more us than it is someone else. Now anyways, it's an interesting idea. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose can SACO. It's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff, and there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. But along with this, this video, this was the explosive thing that got all the media attention. But along this video there was about, and you're not going to believe this, seven hundred fiftyzero documents from the war in Iraq. And how are they? How are someone leaving this kind of stuff? So the way this happened, this specific leak came from a woman named Chelsea Manning O ye, Yep, yeah, and she was a at the time. She hasn't translation to Chelsea, I don't know. I don't remember what her name was before then, but she was a soldier in the Iraq war and she was like traumatized by the experience and realize there was a lot of corruption and a lot of just terrible things happening there, and realized, above all else, that the numbers of deaths and civilian casualties were severely morder reported. Reported, yeah, they oh yeah, we were severely under reporting them. And so she, with the help of Julian Assange, she kind of got in touch with him at wikileaks, got kind of some tips on how to hack into their computers and at the like forward land base, like, she was able to get into, oh my gosh, one of the computers and she just downloaded everything on to, yeah, jump drive and that had later, when she made it back to the states, she uploaded that to wiki leaks in the videos included in that upload. Got It. There's other viciously I obviously the video is what takes, you know. That's that's clearly like a that was one of the the strongest because it's a video and yeah, you could hear the way the lighter as it was just a horrible, horrible video. It plays well in the news, yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, not the type of thing that the news is going to pay to run right, right, and a lost reported numbers horrible, Does News, but you had a video that shows soldiers with they're just ampathetic response. What was wild was along with those in those documents there was stuff about about the numbers, about how how much higher the real numbers were, right about a lot of air strikes and how so many of those air strikes there was no come to details, were straight up war crimes. Yeah, and and a lot of like backdoor deals with different countries to secure resources. While they're they're like, you're crazy. Just it was a very, very bad release for the US government. Yeah, and so it was when people realize, Oh, the government still sketchy. Yeah, and needless to say, when this comes out, the United States was like that Julian Assan Guy, we don't like them. And they really, really wanted to arrest him at this point. But for what? For telling all their secrets, but it could. Here's what's interesting to me. He's an Australian born, yeah, human at this point he was living in the UK, not an American citizen, not involved at all, and at the end of the day, all he did was publish a bunch of docuts. What I'm thinking? Yeah, the issue was these documents were classified documents that were stolen. Yeah, but he didn't steal. But he didn't. He did helped, he did aid in a bet, got it. Got It. So he was a part of it. But they're still it feels like they want to make an example out of them. Oh, yeah, for sure, they're like, Hey, don't do this. Yeah, and so they immediately began. Is exactly why I think that all conspiracy theorists on youtube are all wrong, because if they were right, the government would be like, don't do that. Yeah, you know, but they're not. They're so wrong that it's just like whatever's don't care. Go. Oh, yeah, who you can? Made A little Youtube Channel? Great, yeah, yeah, what are you doing? Well, I's thin, good, I it's it's it's a tangent. It's too yeah, yeah, we don't have much time for this. Okay, so just get to the point. So dolissage, he's he's a guy. You Guy, you know any mate. Website is stuff came out of the website and he's still a guy. got a loss. So jelsee me and he gets arrested. She serves I think it's severallyking seven years in prison. Yep, they begin to build their case against Julian Assag and Julian assaje becomes en. I mean number public. I don't even number one. I bet they use they were like, Hey, you can reduce your time if you like. They were probably working that angle hard problem for her for her prison sentence, I'm sure. Meanwhile, GID right, she's not in the United States anymore. I'm not certain. Okay, that okay, it's a different tangent. But Julian, meanwhile, had become almost like a hero pretty much everyhe else in the more. Yeah, pretty much ever else in the world. They're like that was really cool, which it sounds like. It's like vigilante justice. Yeah, yeah, and so he was doing these almost ted talk type events all over the world talking about well, this is also this. One of the scariest things about the Internet was that, oh, we don't have the ability to cover things up anymore. MMM, like, you know, that's why they were to make an example of it. was like, Hey, you can't use the Internet. This is fairly new thing that is still out here. You're not allowed to use it to do this. Yep, Yep, you know. And so it's of course. That was what was interesting is the United State it's was really mad, but pretty much every other country was. I was like, that was really cool because it wasn't about them. Yeah, and then they had to come out with a PR that was like yeah, we love they, you know, because we have nothing to hide. We are so we love what you're doing. We love what you're doing. Yeah, don't look at us, rules, don't look at us. Yeah. So pretty much every country loved him and he did up. He did like this book Torque type thing. Yeah, what he was doing these speaking engagements and doing these talk shows and stuff like that. Talking. Yes, I really didn't write this book. He just released a seven hundred fiftyzero classified documents about the university sign. People are bringing it there. He's signing the least document. He's like, you guys know, I didn't write this, right. No, yeah, no, but in a way you did. But in a way you did. You wrote it in the anals of his bringing the their home computer for him to sign. They're standing in line with a giant monitor. Out of the well is Dell's. Yeah, dude, or joy's gonna sign my computer. He could I get a large banana, mamma, and also, could you suck my computer banana Mamma, is that you were for? Yeah, I don't remember what the drinks were there matter either. Daughter Orange Julia, still around? Yeah, I haven't seen in Orange Julius in years, because even have been all right, exactly. Actually, we went on my birthday all pretty bought me a bunch of new clothes. Oh, I'm glad you're you're you had super defensive when you said that too. I was like to the Malt Bree bomb, me a bunch of clothes. I love that your sugar mom has taken care of you. Dude. She was like, she's like for your birthday, here's what happened. Here's there's a couple of things that have happened. Oh, besactly. We're gonna go of the past couple of years. I used to work at a church and now I don't, which mean I'm going to take the jewelry of my words. You can just dress how you want to. The majority of my wardrobe was church mark, which church March, which I'm not like, I'm not mad about it, but it's also like wow. I was also like why every shirt I wears that's your previous and from previous. Yeah, which is a little it be like if you got fired from pizza, hug around thing on the top of the car and so so she took you keep that. They'll let you, but you can't. Did PICKMAN'S HAVE ONE? Did you have a? Never put it on my car because because those things, that these super power magnus, they dent your car. They dent the roof of your car. Do they really? Yeah, they do. Every time you put them on and pull them off, they dented. It was so annoying and they would get really mad whenever you cared, whenever I did, because I have you nice car then. The car you had then is objectively better from the car you have now. Yes, absolutely, and corporate would come they be like you got to use that ady. You don't pay me enough for me to use that. I'd go out and I just go anyways. This is not important. So brie took me to the mall, be to the ZOOMI's. Take to Zoomi's and all the stores that I rap a, Zumi's, Weeah, I went to all those things. It was his eyes got so embarrassed when he said that because his eyes were like yeah, that's exactly what he's what's frustrating. Yeah, he's stating. Grown up, I was a pack Soun, Zoomi's hot topic, Van's journeys, all of those stores. They don't know. They don't pander to me anymore. They have lowered their standards and now, Oh, oh, hold on, hold on, you're saying they you had high standards before. Now when you go in, you're like these I'm saying, I want to go into a zoom he's and by black tshirts with skulls on them, but now all they have is like tidye stuff with rappers. Oh yeah, they're like, they're like they're in bucket hats. Yeah, and they're they're appealing to I don't know, the audience that they want to sell stuff too, and it makes me feel like my place in the world is shrinking. And you, you look at the girl behind the counter a Zumi's and you said, ma'am, I'm really old. But all this to say, being in them all was a surreal experience, because it's seriously, has been like a decade since I've been super weird. There was the oddest or sketchy. It was very odd. Yeah, it genuinely felt like walking into a time machine, yeah, or alternate reality. Like it was odd. They're not good. Yeah, anyways, back to Joli massage. I don't remember why we start talking about malls or what. I brought up on juice again. It was a joke. They're signing, their signing, that he's doing his little booktory, speaking of yet he's betther countries are like this guy is a lazy guys. Great. Well, then he started releasing stuff about other country. Yeah, and they really said of being like we don't like this. Go. It's kind of like that. Um, it's kind of like when you become friends of the person is really funny and they make fun of everybody else. You know, you'll talk about like that person you're high school who was just like a jerked everybody, but it was, yeah, funny. So you're like, you're like friends with them. Yep, you're trying to be buddy, buddy, Yep, all out of I don't want you to make fun of me. Yep, you know, and then they turn on you anyway. And that seemed like what they were doing with Julian Assas, where they're like hey, buddy, yeah, thank you for releasing that about the United States, those horrible monsters. Yeah, but because we would never do anything. Why are you telling us? We were friends made were friends, Bro. But it wasn't just governments. He was also exposing. He individuals, corporations. Yeah, corporations. There was in two thousand and eight. He exposed a lot of the thanks that about what was going on. Yeah, that led to the housing crisis. I ahould say he, because at this point what he leaks was a large group. There're people that were involved in I think he takes the flack because I struggled it. He's the operator of the in the butt end of the day, he puts his hand on Manilla folder and says, I feel that this one was right. Feel. So did he did wiki leaks expose the housing crisis stuff before after the crash? It was after the crap. Well, I mean I guess was in the middle of them during the crash, or a little anglic crowd. Yeah, and so by this point the US has put their tase together and they basically put out this order to have him extradited to us so he can be tried for his crimes. And so he is like kind of avoiding while they don't get tried for the years. I mean, that's accurate. He's trying to avoid his extradition and I just want to take a note for a second. I can't say most words and I feel like I just extradition. Very well, yeah, I mean it's not a word, but go ahead. So he's avoiding his extra dice. Anything has some extra dice in here. I forgot my go ahead. Keep going. So he he's trying to avoid this. And then this in two thousand and ten. Yeah, while he was in Sweden, or well before, he wasn't sweeten a little while before that, and then he was back in the UK and then now Sweden it's like, Hey, this stuff has come out. Basically he had some sexual abuse allegations come out about him. So my weekly were him. Yeah, they were trying to actually die him back to Sweem to try him for you see the look at my eye for a second there. I was like yeah, sweet to Swed you. They're trying to get him actually out of back to Swedens. Now he's got two countries that are like hey, hey, we need you to come here so we can arrest you and you want you come hang out over here. Yeah, all of his reason, all of his facebook ads are occasions vacation. Had vacation this sweets take a sweet break. anyways. So he's in the UK and the UK takes a stance and they basically were like, we're with the Swedes and the United on and if we see him, were arresting them and shipping them out to one of you guys. Oh well, because I don't know, they were trying to play pology. Oh yeah, they got stuff hidden to them. Yeah, they're like, we need to take we gotta get this guy off the street. This guy's gotta go away. So where is he now? Well's what happened. In two thousand and ten. He walked into the Ecuadorian embassy and pleaded asylum and had all his paperwork together and they're like okay, and so he camped out in like a off a a back office apartment thing that they set up for him. Yeah, and immediately upon arriving, so he dressed up like a delivery driver. Okay, well, Waltston, with a box and inside the box was his papers, papers to to plead for asylum. And so then almost immediately after he pleaded that asylum, where it got out and then from that point forward, so the ytre Wiki leaks so you use driver just went into the Ecuadorian Ecuadorian equird, Equord, whatever, a equator? No, they went to the impleaded asylum sinnd from that day forward, for roughly ten years, there were ten British police officers outside that door at all times, ready to arrest him if he walked out the door. And he literally didn't leave the building. So he's effectively under arrest. Yeah, they've got him under house arrest in the Ecuadorian embassy and the British parliament. That's what they're called, right, the British government? Yeah, parliament. They're like, if he walks out these doors, he's arrested. Word we're sending off to we can they do that at the embassy? What do you mean? Can they do that? Like that's that's technically that a good are. Yes, they can't go in there, the police can't go in there and they can't take them. But okay, if he walks out the doors, then they can arrest him. Okay, so they're literally just hanging out, but he's got a yard and stuff. Well, I mean, this is this is in like the city, and so I got a plan. Which Embassy you go to? You know, you have to pick an embassy with a backyard. Yeah, you can't just go to a small embassy. I. You need a big embassy, this embassy. You need to look for an embassy. Sweets you needed, and you need to find like a like a realtor for embassies, and help you find an embassy that fits your needs. Actually, love the HGTV show embassy hunters, right, and so you tour three different bassies. Yeah, but you're like this one. Really, there's three, I don't know, and they always choose the one that you don't want to shoot. You're always upset about it. They always choose the middle one. But, yeah, the ones like middle of the road. Yeah, it's almost like they're actors. But you know these people, they did commit international crimes and they've got world powers coming after them. So allegedly, allegedly. So, Julian is in in this embassy and while they're Ecuador was treating really well. They wired new Internet connection to the embassy. You ever? YOU RUN A website? Right, all right, we're gonna get you faster Internet because you want to keep running that. We don't want to keep you from your want to keep you from what you do. Yeah, they're basically like hey, will help you do this. Imagine you're a person who works in an embassy. Yeah, here's going to work every day. Yeah, there's there at your job. Yeah, and some dude rolls in and now he lives there. Your boss comes in for ten years. Hey Mike, so last week. Hey Mike, so last week this is Australi. Yeah, oh well, this is the Ecuadorian embassy too. But he comes in. He's like, Hey Mike, so last week. I know, but they did. They we gave you that promotion. Are they all from Ecuardor you got that new office and need that offense and bad got back because this guy who runs this website, this ups driver. Yeah, he needs to live in year office. As far as it is a couple weeks? Yeah, probably nine years. I'm five hundred and twenty weeks. Try to put a number on it. That's my that's my ballpark. So they did. They they hired a new security agency to make sure that nobody like hired like a strike force to come and get them or stuff like that. Like like they were protecting the embassy, but they're also protecting him. Yeah, but he makes it a threat to the embassy. Yeah, because he's there and because now there's two, one of arguably the most powerful country in the world and then another pretty weedon relatively powerful country. That's the most American thing we've ever said the Swedes. Yeah, what was the most powerful culture the world? It was Sweden. So it's like, wouldn't that be cool, though, they pulled it off and they were the ones you got of. Wouldn't that be the underdog story? So so he's in there and he's running wiki leaks from the embassy, never leaving. His family comes every Christmas years. It go in two, two thousand and ten in November. Every Christmas. Family comes and celebrates Christmas with him in the embassy. But we're here to visit. Yeah, we're just visiting. You bring your passport to embassy? I don't know, maybe because it's technically Ecuador right. anyways, so he world traveler. You are about on a plane, but I've been to every country. Yeah, they've got a little and in Great Britain write down one of the words them g the historian Atlanta here when its avenue? I don't know, like Google maps. I tricked him on that one. The look on your face, it's fun, man. I Miss Spell that. Can we fight like that? I don't know. I just I don't understand embassies work. But we can fire that all later. I guess it is. Wait, would be weird if it was just like an Indiana. Now this is the US embassy and Equador. I don't yeah, anyway, we can later. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future. Go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify, Youtube. You'll get it alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. Helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six, eight hundred and sixty six. Thank you so much for being here. But he's there for ten years. He's in there running wiki leaks from within the walls of the Equadorian Embassy. Yeah, and while he's doing this he does something pretty significant that you might remember. He leaks all of Hillary Clinton's emails. Yeah, during the two thousand and sixteen campaign. And now Hillary Clinton is a huge enemy of wiki leaks and very vocally. It's like glad's very dangerous. Yeah, very vocally talking about him. Yeah, and Donald Trump is very vocally talking about how much he loves wikileaks is. Yeah, yeah, he's like, I love wiki leaks, they're great, they're one of the best things about America. And it's like it's anyways, that's a credit for you don't know how the election happens. Well, literally days after the election ends, trump claims he doesn't know who Julie Osange's or wiki leaks is. Yeah, he's like, what, I don't know. There been to a mall, you know? I just I don't have mall money. I'm richer than most. Go to the ZOOMI's and were tea shirt for skulls on them. What is what is the lowest income you could have to still be a mall shopper? Or, wait, highest income you could have? Well, I don't show so somewhere between you and me, I'm not a mall shoppers. The first time I've been in years. But you shopped at them all, didn't you guess? I'm a mall shopper, so so pretty quickly and Charles Presidency, the dialog shifts and then the trump administration, early in the presidency, very sharply begins to pursue Juliana's yeah, they're like, Um, do you know exactly what happened to is he? Because president, they're like, you know, he can find out stuff, right. He's like, I would like you kind of like well, I mean like he knows, here's some stuff you can find out, and they're like yeah, yeah, we need arrest that guy. We hate this guy. So anyways, so he does that leak and he's back in the news and he's doing these sounds like he's do for another one. He's doing these press conferences from the embassy. But what he's doing and then it's the most I don't know what to call it, like World War One movie type of thing, where he literally is in the middle of London or somewhere. I'm pretty sure it's London, and he's walking out on the balcony of this embassy to the streets with all the police below, these all these reporters that are just constantly filming this embassy now and he comes and just got walks out and does this speech about his leaks, yeah, and then walks back in the apartment and everyone on the streets like Ah, is Julian from the balcony. So years go by of this and then in the late ten I believe it was twenty eight, two thousand and seventeen, Ecuador's president his term ends and so new president is elected and takes present. Is like, and then Mike needs his office back. The new president is like, you know, what would be cool if we weren't opposing, you know, the United States and they in Sweden. He's more fraid to Sweden. And so they started trying to find a reason to be able to kick him out of the embassy. They they under their law. They did asn't flush the toilet, you know, real bad roommate. So they they fired their security agency, hired a new security agency, which is a little sketchy, and then they planted cameras throughout the whole embassy and his suite and like like secret. Can't these aren't like like they set up a Webcam. So little gardenomes with cameras for yeah, say, while they were putting cameras inside the fire extinguishers. Yeah, in the restrooms and cameras and they were watching everything assage was doing, trying to find reason they could kick him out, and then eventually they just did. They were just like all right, there go. They took away they took away his razors so he couldn't shave. But really they were like it's a weapon. That's what they said. But I think when they eventually, when it happened, he got he got he got kicked out. They pushed him out the door and then the British police for standing there and they arrested him and they shipped them off to Sweden and while I was in Sweden he was serving his sentence. It was a fifty week sentence and he serving a sentence and they had him psychlot evaluated and they said that he was exhibiting signs of people who had been mentally tortured for a long period of time, which is it makes sense because he died living in this embassy, lived in this this single rapping on the outside, not going outside and not having any personal contact really. There was his his dad at the beginning. He had a lot of family that was coming out and seeing him. His wife ended up leaving. He's essentially on house or rest yeah, yeah, and his wife, his wife left him. She got custody of the kids. Yeah, and so he stopped seeing his family and his dad was the only person who would come visit him, but his dad lived back in Australia, so his dad was coming back ultra occasionally to see him. And so the guy had basically no connection. And then when the president switch, he started to have not only a couple world powers wanting to come down on him, but now the one place where he was actually safe was turning on him as well. And so he was it seemed like he was genuinely going insane. And on top of all that, he was running a website that was dealing with some of the darkest things people are doing in this world, right, and so he's knowing about all these guys, which could not be good for your psyche. So his behavior, that's that's what they cited for when they kicked him out. The Ecuadorian government said that his behavior had become erradict and they sure seemed that he was dangerous for the people and God an embassy, because he was kind of the kind of being erratic crazy. While he goes to Sweden, he goes through his trial, and at this moment, where we're sitting right now, he has not been sent back to the US yet, but he's going to be sent to the US. There is a chance. It seems like the juries tell out on whether or not he's going to leave or not. Okay, whether or not they're going to they're going to send them back out after after this sense or not, but they're it's it's it's an interesting thing because there is a there's this big discourse where there's one side of the map says, Hey, this information deserves to be public, the world deserves to know about bad things that are happened behind closed or sure from people in power. But then there's this other camp that it that thinks that these are things that compromise security through and they are confidential for a reason and releasing them is bad to the safety of everybody involved within those nations right and so it is a moral gray area he's operating in, for sure. What's what's the most troubling about the scenario is, at the end of the day, what Julian assange is doing is he's publishing articles from other people, from other sources. He is he hisself isn't the one doing all the things now and he's not going out and stealing these. There is in the case of Chelsea Manny. He did walk her through how to steal it, sure, but he's basically just a vessel. Yeah, at the end of the day, he's a reporter. He is like any news source that has a source that told them something anominous anonymously and he published it. And so the precedent that's being said here is genuinely a very nerve racking situation because if the US does go try him want, he's not even American citizen. Yeah, and so for them to try him on the grounds of anything close to treason doesn't make a any sense because he's not. He's not an American citizen. But then to it calls it a question the entire thing of journalism, because if you're not safe to publish something that a source comes from, you no matter who it's going to harm. That puts us in a really weird shot. Sure, forward, but if he's helping gain access to classified information, then that itself is a crime. That itself is a crime, but that is the lowest in or not, that's the lowest sentence he's facing. I think that's a seven year sentence. I'm saying the space same for that. That seems fair to me. Yeah, I would know. They're not trying that. I know that it's not what really going for, you know. So out of he's facing, I think in the US is a hundred and twenty years sence. He's the helping eight legos at at home. That is like that's like five hundred. That's five thousand two hundred something weeks. That's that's a hundred years right. And then says he's looking at like, you know, it's a lot of weeks. Is there an over six thousand weeks? Thanks, in Mike's Office. Thanks for bringing that. He can you, Mike. I know you just got this fancy office and stuff, but this guy's going to live here for the next six thousand dozen weeks, two hundred weeks. So he's really been a crew in that PTO. Yeah, so I think the aiding a bend, aiding in a bedding chesse mating is a seven year since. Sure the rest of that is a hundred twenty years and that is all just you told our secrets. Yeah, and that to me is sketchy because, yeah, because at the end of the day. Let's be honest. What he did is no different than what all was. The board does all these other all these other news sources that are talking about what's happening for crane. He's Donna do anything different. They he had a source who told him about war crimes that a world power is committing somewhere else in the world. Right, and, but I didn't make the word probably look good. So here's what I think about classified documents. Right, there are some classified documents. There's probably documents within that seven hundred forty thousand dollar pig, like seven heard fifty thou seven her fetes, thousand pages. Yeah, that it's not the the bad pr pieces that they would be worried about as much of it is. There's included in that would be strategy and important things that are needed to be keep quiet, because if they're using it in this tap coal procedure, they're probably using it another tagical produders, and if that's out of they can't do that anymore in dangers or soldiers. Right. So there are pieces that that I understand as far as classified, absolute leaking classified things. Yeah, so, but what I don't like is whenever that just becomes Oh, the government's hiding stuff because the government sketchy, and it's like, well, no, but sometimes, in order to negotiate, you don't have, you don't want to have all your cards on table, and it's be like okay, how do we do this? When you're negotiating deals with countries with that have bad motives, yeah, or when you're going to the table with China or Russia or Korea or whatever it might be in powers, yeah, other other powers that you've got, you've got to have some stuff absolutely to either offer or to say okay, and you can't just have all those things out. So I'm not saying there because there's something that would have the attitude that just by having classified information, that is sketchy and it's a No. Yeah, that's how politics works, that's how life works. We that's how Wifi doctments. Sure, but if you're going to go out for somebody, for and that's where I go, it makes sense that they're going out. If going after them for the documents that release, that would then endanger either future relations with other superpowers, yeah, or whatever. Right, but if you're going laughter them for the PR bad you know, then that's a whole other, which is what it I mean, that's what it feels like. It feels like it's always gonna be frame that way, though. Yeah, you know, yeah, that's fair. It's always so so that way. I think the question is, the major issue is, what precedent will this set? Sure, because you need we need a society where publishers and reporters have the ability to shine a light on terrible things happening in the world. But if it, if something like this is where to happen and he were to be arrested and face the centure, I think it, I think it could very severely hamper someone's desire to do something like that for sure future and and and I think it opens the door to allow those sorts of receiving and I'm on the side of like, yeah, we should definitely, you know, encourage free press. Yeah, but at the same time we can't just vilify a government for half a secrets. Yeah, yeah, you know, we can. I think it's I think, I think the thing is a secret. Seciacy has a bad commedation. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, should the government operate with more transparency when it comes to bad image things? Yeah, for sure, I think. I think when you look at things like and and I mean I don't know if we would ever see a day or the government or to act like this, but I think the best way to behave when someone within your organization makes mistake, you have to acknowledge that publicly and you have to talk about what you're doing, even just government. This goes to churches, this goes to businesses, this goes to personal relationships. The same way of like, if you hurt somebody, you have to acknowledge that. No up and we're governments and corporations and individuals get in trouble is when they just go had it. Well, they come. You know, Oh, can you believe that that girl told you that I was sleeping with her on the side. I can't believe her for doing that. It's yeah, but you were cheating on your wife with her. Yeah, it's like, well, yeah, but she's crazy and does she shouldn't have said that. You know, you're like what? Yeah, I think there has. There has to be a knowledgement and there will be consequences for that. But but yeah, putting it in the dark and leaving in the shadows is why there are so many people who don't trust government. And that's the other thing I'm saying is that, you know, there's a lot to get swept under it because it's classified. Yeah, there's also people who were like, oh well, if it's classified, that must mean that is bad. She yeah, right, and it's like, well, that's not how anything works. Nothing works in a black and white way like that. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, which I think it's fair. I think it's fair. Yeah, so basically, where we're landing is, instead of a hundred, twenty years or six thousand weeks, it should be sixty years or the three thousand weeks. Yes, yeah, and I would love for it to be. I here's what I think is punishment should be. I think this man should have to spend ten years managing an Orange Julius in them all. You know, and I mean ten years, whether that mall is open or knees. If that mall closes in three years old navy moves out, you know, and it's just the lights on anymore. It's just him every day with a blender, just he's make a smoothies for rats and he's named him all. Some bears say of Julie Guliano. July, you went with Juliano first, Julia, Julia, Julianne, Guliano, and Juliano is the first one you went with. All right, I made just smoothie. All right. Are we done? Yeah, I guess we can be okay. Yeah, he's in there making smoothies. Yeah, and the playlist still works, but it's just fiddle music in things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connor beat social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. 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