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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Anthony? Anthony Laur troll? You don't know how to say his last name. You just guessing? I'm gonna be honest. This isn't even close to what I expected. It's how's IT spelt? They're saying Kurt show. I would say Curtsey. Oh, how's IT spelt? Seeuur CIO, Oh, Kurt Chow, Ker Chow. Okay, we'll call it Kurtchow, Anthony Kachou. That was the joke I was trying to make. Anthony, Kurtsho, Kurtio, Kertcho, Kurtcha, Kr Show, Kersho, Anthony K Kushell. Have you ever heard of the HMM? Well, call him. Sounds like all men. Happened? I don't know. We will call him, call me Anthony. Will just call me Anthony. Will forget the LAS. Anthony car curb, Kurdish show. We are so American. Well, I want you to find all the valiant for things. Will meet US in the Bank of America parking. What do you do this? My bag seriously regrets what he did in Vegas. Oh, I'd love to break your favorite. You just think it wrong. By a ghosts this guy's got dumb ideas. I'm thinking he thinks twenty feeds feign things. I learned last night, you know. Okay, so Anthony He is an American author and pub speaker who's been featured and Gq, esquire two thousand and twenty, Fox News, NPR ANDBC. Also a convicted bank robber who nice. Now it was all those features before or after? It was after. Yeah, it was that really he turned his life around? Oh No, we didn't know. He just figured that a different way to rob. That's something about all these like you know, saying like so this is going to be a little targeted. But the my pillow guy right here, I was in barns and over there to day there's his stupid little book on the thing. That's like, have you seen his book? It's a Hologram on the front or whatever that things called, where you look at it one direction, it's one picture. Oh yeah, holograph, and it's like from crack addict to CEO and it's like, dude, you just figured out a different addiction and now your addiction is insane conspiracy theories. Yes, yeah, yeah, same thing. Yeah. So what I'm saying is there's people who were like did illegal stuff, you know, and then they went into the corporate world and did different illegal stuff. Yeah, I mean relatively class, actually relatively okay, great. So, Anthony Kur chow, Anthony Ktoo. So so. Yeah, so he was a he was born in Monroe, Washington, and, as I as a teenager, he was kind of your like your star of the teen movie, not the Star, the villain of the team movie. Oh, like, he's the captain, the of the football team. He was dating the head cheerleader. Yeah, super popular, you know. And what years is? I don't know, like when was he born? It would have been men S Z R age. Know, when he was in high school, in the midnight. Oh, okay, sorry, howl. Do you are? No, I asked. I asked two different questions. That was my bad. That was my bad, you know, and this is and this is me taking responsibility for my actions right now. Is there anything you would like to say responsibilie for or no, I mean, there's nothing that's happened recently that I would have to like for. So, m I mean, are you alluding to something? Not, no, I guess not. I guess not. I mean, you said, you said, all right, here's that our sty issues in our office. We have a shared office and there's been some issues because I have paid for everything in here and Tim keeps use for the stuff I've paid for, like what all this stuff? So we're having a little bit of a riff over here, and this is me saying that I asked two questions, you answered one of them and that you know. And this is me saying I did exactly what you told me to do and now you're upset about H I feel so. Anthony. He played football and it was kind of his life, Lart right here. He'd loved it. Yeah, he loved it. He ends up going to the University of Idaho, which had been his dream to play football at the University of Idaho. He went from Monroe, Washington, yes, small town of Oshto to University of Idaho and in unfortunately, he didn't last long in his college career. Okay, they got arrested for robbing a bank very close. No, in practice he was returning a punt and he tore his anterior crucial ligament. They need to read his last name. They named it after that is it's your Acla Tours Asa. Okay, wow, how do you run out of a bank with a torn ACL. I'm very curious with the bank robbery. And after he tours ACL it ended his is college football, cur sure, and it's kind of what year in college that happened like immediately. He was first year. Has He even played? His First Day pun practice? No pads. Yeah, yeah, they're like trying to show off. It was like tend to show how a watch that good idaho girls. HMM. Like he's like, Hey, check it out, this ligament is named after me. Yeah, he's just out there day one of practice. MMM, here's his ACL and this called foot earlier. He's freshman year then. That's what I'm HMM. And so he still go to school there, though? Yes, it's gone well. He wasn't on with a scholarship. He wasn't that good. He was just on the team, you know, okay. It wasn't like this guy had like an opportunity to go to the NFL or anything like that, but like, okay. Well, when he tears ACL he gets preside prescribed by it in Oh good, which he gets got it very addicted to sure, and over the next few years this addiction begins to kind of cripple him. Right. He all he does is pursuing more and more like it in to the point where he starts creating fake identities and going into the pharmacy to try to get some more like it in under these fake, fake identity. Same Pharmacy, though. Yeah, they were like like hey, we know it's Anthony. You can't just there's not this many people in this town. A limp, you know, we know all the limpers in town. This is this is a CBS. Anybody who limps has been here. Yeah, we actually have a corkboard in the back for we do we take a picture. Cole limps. Look out for these local limbs. WH look out for him. What is the employees like? They need to look out for them. He's up, just so you know. Hey, CBS, we're glad you're all the team here. Real quick before we go anywhere. Yeah, take a look. Memorize. We have a SIS big limping problem in this town. All right, we only want street walkers. If you see someone limping in here, hit their other leg, even steps. All right, we don't take any of this weird gates. Okay, because it's a medical thing and and it's honestly, that's not even CBS policy. That's just ours here at this store. You know, yes, yes, but it's so he went to school and Idaho. Is He still in Idaho at this point? Yeah, okay, so he just stays and then he's, you know, trying to do different IDs, go in and trying to con his way into some more typical drug outic behavior. Yeah, it got so serious the point where he, and you're gonna hate this, he took off his shoes and he went to his concrete like wall in his basement and kick the wall to injure his foot so he could get more of like it in. That is not so pretty, pretty serious addiction. Yeah, eventually his parents were able to talk him into going to Rehab. He goes to Rehab and he turns his life around and opens up a new business. People couldn't see people hit Tim do the finger quotes do they could hear me. Well, but I wanted to clear off. You know, it's great. So turns. I feel like they couldn't see you do it. HMM MMM, that's great, cool. So I'd love to break your favor. So he tried to open up a casino they called Tony's gaming. Okay, so it goes by Tony sometimes yeah, sometimes, and so he tried to open up this casino but it ended up getting shot down by this state of Washington because he didn't have the proper permits for back to Washington this point. Yeah, he's back in Washington and after attempting to do that and try to find other work, he ends up relapsing, falling back into his drug use. But this has been years now of him dealing with vicad in and whatever he needed. Up marrying in the interim. His high school sweetheart has a couple kids and he's hiding his Vicadin addiction from her and secretly going around and getting his vicat in. Obviously this is very expensive and it's causing a lot of financial pressure on the family and he's trying to have to explain where the money's going and it's creating a big issue in their marriage. Right. One day he's at Bank of America in the NINDIES. This would be early two thousands. Okay, he's at Bank of America and he notices, Hey, the brink armored car rolls up in here and just the guy walks in, which is all kinds of money. Yeah, and there's a moment where he's outside alone he's like, I bet I could pull this off, and so for months he poses as a gardener outside of bag of America. So we're are so this is a is a heist that he's planning for months? Yes, yeah, or he's like I am going to be so this. He's better really hoping, he's really banking on this brink. Officer. Yeah, just being like a dude. I mean by of America really cares about their landscaping. I mean like this guy's out here every day, every day he's working on it. Yeah, trying to make sure. Yeah. So also hoping no one inside catching notices. My I just did the show in Jacksonville. Yeah, and the pastor was telling about how he used to work at a bank and he used to work at a bake America. His first day at the bank, you know, he's just bride eyed, ready to go do some good customer service. Walks out to the lobby and I guess there's this guy that came in every day with a million dollars cash. You know, my God, Duffel bag, that's and was just sacked. Yeah, getting money orders for this cash, like they're just washing this money. Well, he's just, you know, bright eye just like yeah, I just really love, you know, new position of the bank, whatever. Papa. Papa goes there, because that's the guy. Goes, hey, how can I help you? And the guy just flashes his homeland security badge and it goes, don't look okay, and then, yeah, they bless the Duffel bag guy and then he has to sit there for like six hours as they're taking statements from every single person. No one's allowed to leave. Wow, so if you see some one of the bad just get out. Before I got bad. I gotta get out of her. I have some gardening to do actually. Yeah, Hey, if you just talk to that guy outside, he like I's been planting stick out with the weed eater. Yeah, I don't think he's a any weeds yet. I mean noticed that we don't have any bushes at this location. Yeah, we didn't gut acres three months gardener, not a single plant outside, and I used were CBS. Actually, I've seen this guy before. YEP, so he spends months watching, yeah, W lanning heights. Yeah, Watching Bank of America, watching the security vehicle show up, drop the money off and their their root, their system. Yeah, he's also like he is listening. To police radio, like figuring out watching live PD every night. He's listening to Qr twenty one police radio. We see that on tour, though, when we'd see like you're really that weird. See like the time we got passed by like seventeen police cars. We'd pick up the we ha a n APP. Yeah, we had an AP for it, but well, he was listening to you were listening to Qr twenty one police radio. Another News Duncan donuts close early this evening. It we're bad. The qr Tony will have pullis radio A. Your listener to Pol. I see plce pl. You're listening to CEOP. You're listening to CEOPE P one hundred and one hundred and two point seven C coeop up. Next we got the new single from the police. They only play rocks, and not even not even like no deep cuts, just their hits. You know, man, I wish they would play other stuff. And he's a side. Not they're just garden and just it's gonna be Great. Yeah, what is with the guy outside with a limp and he's always humming rocks? An WHO's that limping gardener? Someone calls CBS find out who this guy is limping around out front, but they didn't know. Is it CBS? The CIA OF CBS? Right, they've got their own internal investigation network is following this to around right there, like we need, if we need, to keep tabs, keep an eye on that guy. Yeah, Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, that's right. That's when new episodes drop on Patreon. Patreons a way to get early access to episodes and had their content and exclusive merchandise. He and we're not going to stop there because we got a private discord with our hosts and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a day. That's right, that's five dollars a month. You two can be a patreon supporter and not here advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore. Text till in a six, six eighty sixty six. Otherwise I'll come to your house, I will find you, I will destroy everything that's good in your life until we're the only thing left. Anyway, here's another advertisement. So he, he's he's listening to police radio, figuring out their roots. He's studying out how quickly their response by himself, sponse time is. Yeah, all know. No one knows. He's doing, figuring out their response time. Yeah, figuring out, okay, here's, here's where the call is, and then he would go try to get beat in there and figure out how long it took them to get that Geez and sighs, figuring out how quickly they could get to the they were like robberies reported and none of the police where. Like this guy's here every time. Hey, you with those you can see we're really overplaying. I'm much at this guy's got. You know, he doesn't have a lip. It's been like eight years. Yeah, probably got to Fel. You know, we're really overplaying. Probably, Hey, you with that fake mustache and the limp. Where are you going? I'm just guarding. We need a statement. Yeah, he saw the bad my garden company has been guardening in this district. What's Your Garden Company called? Garden HGTV, lows lows. Yeah, limp and lows, Limpid. All right. So he he builds his plan. He builds a get away plan. He says, okay, there's creek right behind the bank, so what I'll do is all attack the guy. All take the Duffel bag of money, physical attack. Physically attack the guy, take the Duffel bag of money. I'll run out to the creek and I'll have a jet ski in the Creek and I'll jet ski to freedom. And in the Word Creek is important. How deep is a creek? I mean not deep. So He tests the where's he get a Jet Ski? Tests the jet ski idea. I don't really know actually that never mentions it. But he tests, test the jet ski idea. It's a creek. So it doesn't go well. So he's hitting rocks, yes, flinging crawfish where, like what? So he he's like, he's like, the jet skis not going to work. So what he ends up doing is he gets an inner tube and he puts an he stores an inner tube back there. and here he builds a pulice. He's gonna Float. Now hes a pulley system down the creek so he can pull to can pull himself all the way down the creek. And nobody anywhere is like, that's right, I'm doing the banks. Like what's that guard doing set up all those pulleys doing back there in the creek? No one hears one. Here's a it's no one. Season backer jests through them. I mean covered in scratches and tree branches. Yeah, my guys just doubt for afternoon, beautiful jets. Yeah, I love one of life. I like the ideas gonna float away. I like that with no polly system, he's just out there on an inner tube with one of those floating coolers right full of Miller light and he's he's just gonna be out there dug and Lazy River. That's exactly what I'm picturing. And then he's just try if the police roll up, like Hey, we saw a guy roll out of here, run away for it. He attacked the brink guy. Yeah, which, first of all love them. We're assuming it's brink. Well, we know it's break. Okay, he attacked the brink guy. Yeah, and made. Did you see a guy run through here? No, I'm just out here. For All whoat. I'm just Tirre for a flow. You guys want to Bush light? Like yeah, yeah, kind of. Her voice is really familiar. Do you do you work for one or two seven the CEOP? Well, yes, I do. whow. It's funny brought up run in the radio station, getting cops to call in and tell them all their secrets, telling their secrets on air on here. Hey, hey, hey, for this, saying that we want all the cops of the area to call and tell us what you do if you were at, I don't know, bank robbery. Yeah, all the cops. Why you call it and give us something we can use as leverage to, you know, to make sure that you won't turn on me, you know, and also your yahoo email passwords. She's putting this plan together. He's like. He's like, okay, I think the best poly system. How long? I mean long enough for him to get away, like this is what's a way, though? That's my eyes wore. I'm asking. I don't know exactly how long it is. There's nothing that has. Guy's got dumb ideas, I'm thinking. He thinks twenty feet is far enough. So he started saying, okay, well, he's aid. I'll pepper sprayed the bring security guy and take him down, take the bag, run to my pulley system, float to freedom. Where does the neg blood out and get away? I don't know, somewhere else in town. Okay, so we can pull up a map. Well, I was just wonder give it. Let's out at like a pond, I don't know, and just say you're out there fishing afternoon and some guy starts floating to the poll button down on an intertube. So he he yeah, this is a tiny creek. Okay. Anyway, so he he rides, he rides, he's gonna ride down the creek and then get off the thing with his duffel bag, changes clothes and just walk to freedom. Right, right in theory. as He's thinking through this, he says he realizes that the police response time can be pretty good. Sometimes it's not always, but can be pretty good. And so he's like, he's like, I need plan B. Well, he said, he said, I need to confuse them, I need to throw them off the sin. This is going to be your favorite part. So what if? What if, when I get to the creek, the jet skis facing the other way and then I just rubber band. What's the world looking for? The throttle, the throttle, throttle, I remember being the throttle down. Yeah, and there's just an empty jets it's he's just flight up. Do just make it wrong by a ghost. It's got demon robbed. So so he says, you know what, I'm gonna make away with a decent chunk of money from this heist. Right, is he going to handl and Gretel the police so what he does is he hops on craigslist and opens up a classified Ad for Twenty Day laborers and tells them a uniform to go pick up and like has links to lows like the exact items that he wants them to wear. So it's like a vest a, white t shirt, jeans, the same pair of shoes and like a little face mask because they're going to be doing like like work with drywall or something, as we like what he told them he's gonna Wears Waldough these police. So he hires twenty day laborers. So Day of the Heist there's twenty of these dudes dressed exactly the same, standing outside than America, and he says, just wait for me to show up, I'll tell you what to do. And so there's twenty of these guys. I'll just kind of hanging out and like they have. I Gu said I was gonna hate this. This is it's gonna idea. So hold on. Questions, I have a lot. Did he put like a body type description on here, or is it just like I think there's some big white dudes right, there's some, you know, darker skinned guys, there's there's women shown up like what you know, I think. I think it was pretty like. I don't know if it was just like hey, show up, or I like he had like interviews with them, or I met them before twenty of twenty of them showed. I'm saying, if you put a craigs, if you're going to let's say you're on the other side, all right, let's haven worried about what he's doing right now. You read a craigslist ad that is so descriptive. It's like I need, I need a five eight, dark haired. Okay, listen to this. That average build. This is September thirty, two thousand and eight. The housing crisis is booming right now. So jumber thirty, what day of the way? Two Thousand and eight, I don't know. Let's look it up. And he's offering twenty eight dollars an hour. Now. Originally what I thought was that he was going to go to leave little. He's going to just was a test. He was running. He's taking out. was O Tuesday. I was a Tuesday as he's running. He's just taking dollar bills out and like leaving a trail. I thought I was going to Hancel gretable away from that way. They've got there followed up hole. This is the uses way to find the criminal. You know, he did it the night before. Just love dollar bills to a different directions exactly. It was like creek, that's what I thought. So up they're like why are you going to the Creek? So then this idea is better. Yeah, his idea crew work. So He's got twenty people just kind of meandering around outside Bank of America. No one's like this. So let's now. Let's go through the brink driver who pulls into a park. About that? That's where I'm saying. If you're the brink driver through got a think you pull up it is is suspicious. What's happen it here now? Is he just standing among them? Yeah, so he's in there with them. He's just super spray in there in his head, like the way he said. In there with them, all right, and he's just standing around outside Bank of America. Did he tell you when he was going to show up? Shut up. Is that he says? Here's what he's doing. Yeah, he was just kind of acts like let we do here here. What's your name? Are you the guy in charge? He lets the brink guy get out. The brink is the police show up, would you say you're in charge. was trying to cover some faces of food and who to point them to if they showed up? Hey, man, you got a pretty bad lip. No, I don't now he did. He's me gappy. Everyone has lips. Everybody's just lipping around there. But you do it like four or five and the rest of them kind of catch on the wait for like they're like, all right, pretty bad John. They knew right. So now you got twenty something people. Yeah, he's almost he's right there with them. He is going to among us, the police. Exactly. So the brink security guy gets out and he's got his duff ad I and he's walking across the sidewalk through this crowd of twanky through a crowd, through the crowd of twinny workers who look like they don't know what they're supposed to be doing. And one of them they look like they it looked like they were going to a costume party and the in the theme was the village people, and they all chose to look like the construction worker. Nobody chose other one. We all did the same cy hey, guys, this is the only one that's not culturally offensive. I think. I'm not sure what the dress as anymore. So. And then all of a sudden one of them empties an entire can of pepper spray on the security guard, just and Anthony's like, wait, I was supposed to do that. What do you do? That's my bag, my plan. So anty's pretty pat spray paints and they like nupper sprays. The pepper sprays the guy. Yeah, takes takes the money. Oh, well, before he takes the money, takes off his clip on tie. I'm not gonna need this anymore. And well, you're gonna like this, I know. He takes the money and he had retro fitted his gear that was matching everybody else's. We tear away, yeah, shot. So he runs behind Bank of America and he tears away all his gear and leaves the lover of good tear away, leaves it all behind Bank of American, runs down to the creek with his bag, hops on his intertube. What do you where? Just regular stream. So for suit. I don't know. Why not? Why are cool big? Just regular streak close and then he just intertubes his way down the meanwhile, a crowd of twenty witnesses sands by, Ding by the creeks in there, like, what are you doing? What do you guys think? That was the guy in George? Yeah, officer, he's on that intertube in the creek right there. You can see him. Yeah, it's new. Creek is very slow moving. He's still over there. He's right next to the CD right there, the one's real messed up, bottomed down. See do over there. Yay, but they really are all witnesses. So intertubes his way down the down the creek, which he actually earned a nickname for the intertube portion of this, HMM, which was DB tuber. Shut up, your's make that up. That's funny. If he made that up, different serious it's somebody else. Get it up. They renamed they like dv Tuber. He's been referred to as the craigslist robber and the D and dbt. I enjoy that so much. DB Tuber rolls down the creek and when he gets the other end of the creek he quickly realizes a couple issues. One he says, crap, I don't know what to do with all this money, like where am I going to hide all this? Yeah, and then too he's like my shoes are soaking wet. And so I'm leaving like footprints and also like I'm afraid someone's going to see them and be like, why are your shoes so wet and such is a common question. I get it a lot. Are you looking to see this? Girl was like, why are you so? It's the limp. Yeah, sometimes would you if you have a lip, you shoe your feet sweat. You're heard a broken foot. You know well you're about to. So why are your shoes so wet? It gets on the other side, the creek runs in this little office building. Asks if he can use their phone. Oh, I say, he's a kin of your shoes. Your shoes asked if you can use your phone, and I watched the interview with them and he said that this was the most stressful point of the whole heights for him because he's standing there looking at the selful bag of cash. Duff, a bag of cash and soggy shoes. Yeah, and he's a can I use your phone? It calls his wife and asks for her to pick him up and give them well foot band it, and so his wife picks him up and drives them home. He stops by friend's house, leaves the cash and does she know what's going on, no clue. She okay, like why are you see your shoes so wet? She probably even ask why is it? Here's what I think is ridiculous is that she just goes okay, now, if you're picking up your spouse now, I'm saying this if my girlfriend called me from a random number and was like hey, I'm at this building, come pick me up. Yeah, and then I just go pick her up and she got a Duffel bag, hmm, and wet shoes. Yeah, Yep, I'M gonna ask questions. Yeah, that's pretty fair, I I would think. Yep. Yeah, wife was just like okay, and she was like Oh hey, how's your day? And he's like I was just it's just so on to the bank and trying to get my jet ski out of the Creek, Lazy River Down Your jets. We don't have a jet Ski. Well, see, do different brand. Yeah, so she picks them up, take some to a friend's house, drop some money off. He drops the money off, he's like I gotta take this Duffel bag to Jack Jack, the lip for limper. So and he leaves it in Jack's safe, which why his friend was like he's a he's like hey, can I leave this Duffel bag in your safe? His friends just like sure, man, like why are your feet so we would you also like some shoes? Too many complicit people along this? That's what I'm saying. That's where I was going. Yeah, and so the police show up to the bank and they're like what happened here? There's a twenty suspects. You guys, you guys all fit the bill of what we're looking for and you can go though, sir. All right, wes, like one, like huge guy. We're pretty sure you're not the one. You can go really fit. Yeah, and so they interview all these people. They find out that he hired all the guy mess hired all these rights. They get paid? I don't know, actually, probably not. I don't think he paid in advance. I think he was like will pay at the end of the job. Yeah, and so they end up finding along around the side of think of America, his mask which he had ditched, and they're like hey, we could get some DNA this mask. It's two thousand and eight. That's right, two thousand and eight. It away with Steph anymore. HMM. And so they took that back to the lab but for all intents and purposes at this point they have no idea who did this. Hey, do you like our show? Want to help us keep doing it? One of the easiest ways to do that is to sport our merchandise weird out in the wild. Tell all your friends. They'll be like, what is total loan, and you'll have to explain what this dumb show is. To get access to our exclusive merchandise, please text telling to six six, eight hundred and sixty six. Thank you so much for your help. So he says, well, Hey, I got four hundred thousand dollars in my friends safe. That's all would be. That's all. It's in those Jafe backs for hundred grand. Yeah, so he has. He's got four Hundredzero. It's not even that much. Got Four hundred thousand dollar. I could pull this off. Into their cities, tells his wife, Hey, I got a business trip. I gotta leave town. Goes to Vegas and goes hard and Vegas, gambles a ton of money. Actually things up cheating on his wife. They're sees Britney Spears live life well, not just out of the Strip, not as he saw her, which he definitely didn't he just saw a blonde girl that he was like, I'm pretty spears. Yeah, tells maybe what he tells everyone. I saw Bredi's version Vegas. Yeah, yeah, sober's Reson is where? Yeah, the banks, Sobberg, yeah, in Vegas. Who? Yeah. And then he gets there and like they have you review, went to Freemont, right, you know, the Old Vegas, right, because you're a sinner and you've been you and as an accountability Partram, and there's the people on the ZIP lines above and he goes, oh, that's it's just, it's it's what I did with no water. No, you know, he's in the hotel in the Lazy River. He's just like this is this is what the light should have done. I should have done so he went to Vegas. Went. How much did HE LOSE IN VEGAS? Please say all of it. Not all of it, but he lost a lot. He lost a lot in Vegas. And then they've got the serial numbers for those dollars. Yeah, yeah, they do. They don't track him from that, though. He comes back. He comes back home seriously regrets what he did in Vegas, very upset about it. Right the seeing the Brittany Spear show that's what he was regretting. He was like, I should not have died, I should have watched David Blaine. Whoever, I don't know. For Angels ways of a trip to Vegas, I'm going back. I think Jeff Donham was also there as the heighted. Jeff done it. So ironically, his undoing came a month later when a local homeless man came forward who had a camp by the creek. Oh No, and the guy said every day. I watched this guy go the pulley system and I actually watched an interview with this guy and they said with the homeless guy. Yeah, and they in the thing. He said, yeah, I saw him running down with a duffle bag and like these like worker clothes and he tore them away, like just tore them off and hit him in these bushes. So I went over and I was like, well, this looks like something illegal. And so he took the suit, he took all the Pearl clothes and he put them in his tent and he called the police, like he went into town, called police and said Hey, I know who just did that. Cry. And now imagine you work an office, right, you're not just normal day. You know exact growing saggy shoes made. Comes in duffle bag. All right, he says, I need to use your phone, call my wife, and so you go. Okay, here you go. Car Pulls up. It's before Huber. You never seen this before? CAR PULLS UP, guy gets in, drives off. Yeah, two minutes later, I can believe this. Almost man comes in with torn up clothes. Are Enough, because I need to use your phone. Really dry shoes, just super dry. I mean the dryest shoes you were seeing your life. Bone dry shoes, right, shoe, dry shoes, sir. Why are your shoes so dry? Yeah, it's pretty humid out side. They should be worse. There's that keep that take care of him. The police didn't take didn't take his tip seriously. So they ignored it for like months until finally, yeah, until finally they were like, I'll remember remember that. First Him with that day one. They go track him down. Oh yeah, but he also told us some other crazy things on the phone call. He's like I saw a guy right into the creek with a deffel bag and tore off these clothes. Also, he had a tale, right, Oh man, yeah, he's he told me. Coming me and you could be one with the gators. I was like, well, I'm, you know, the gators. Everything is watching them. Already committed to be part of the water buffalo tribe, right, and so I couldn't go against my water buffalo family and joined the gator gang. So I watched the movie with the police and the police said, the detective said they tracked him down, they found his little encampment and he said he came over and he knocked on his tent and he said that. He said, I didn't know what to do. I just kind of knocked on his tent. The fabric just hello, it's the police. Why does you say hello? Why do you gonna Knock? He they said he came out. He said it's about time. We just handed them the stuff and he said here's your guy. And they tell they were like there's no man in here, because here's your guy. He said, look closer, it's real tired. He's looks in the pocket, just crazy dude. Jim Jam Jim the guy each other real well. So they take it. So now they got two great piece of a mass like a that. Yeah, and they've tried to down. They've got a pretty strong idea that it's anthony, but they don't have enough DNA proof based on what do you say? Yeah, they just grabbed it off. These have all of our DNA. I don't know. Probably. How does it work? I don't know. So it roll although they follow him around and they end up waiting for him to get out of his car one day, walking to the gas station, throws a gatorade bottle in the trash. They come behind him, grab that gatorade bottle, get the test. It is good enough. It was good enough to match, and so they knew it was him. They end up booking him. He goes to prison for six years, gets out and now he's a motivational speaker. That's DP tuber. Okay, you can't just go now he's a motivational speaker. What are his topics? Prison, Ben Grobery, he did a he did Ted Exile Idaho and he said thanks, are can to talk about? Let's see, terra wick, clothes, gardening, CVS. We'rever monsters and see do see you do. Lessons, lessons learned from crashing my jet skis. I was best selling book. Yep, Yep. So, yeah, what happens? All they're back in money, right. Well, yeah, they'd seize it. Yeah, he's by me. We're about money. Last in Vegas. Does he sure? Yeah, I'm sure. He got to find for it. Let's see right here. Two hundred twenty thousand was recovered from him. He went through a hundred eighty thou how long? So he did this on September thirty. Yeah, he did on September thirty. was arrested almost exactly one month later. Wow, you blew through a hundred eightyzero dollars in a month. I went to Vegas, bottle luxury SUV. Had A pretty good time. Six thousand dollars a day. Yeah, and bought a lot of I can in. But Hey, is that worth it, though? No, let's see. No, hear me out, though. Let's say how how much gl time would you trade for thirty days of just ridiculous spending? None, literally none. You wouldn't do one day. No, no one. That's one night in jail ABS thirty days of just spading our money or where we work. Have you watched that show? Thirty days in or sixty days in, whatever that is? It seems horrible. Okay, great, ever want to go. You wouldn't do one nine for thirty days. Thirty days. I'm just a limited spending you do whatever you want. Way, I don't need anything else. I'm content. You wouldn't even use any that money to buy a power strip. Absolutely not. I've got what. I've got, a working one that my friend told me I can use. How much? How much? How much? You'll tell would you do for thirty days? At least one. So I'm already the game. Isn't fun if we just go okay, you wouldn't at all. What's the longest you would do? Oh, man, for thirty days. Thirty spending. It's been. Yeah, what's the longest you would go? I don't know. Year. Think about dude. I'm saying, think about thirty days. I'm a limited spending. You need to watch more prison shows. Man, that's not worth it. Bro, I be you know. Geez, all right, I guess I would do eleven months to make it a solid, you know, just book end it. Yeah, you thirty days, one month to just is a great yeah, a year of awful, yeah, and then just eleven months of like this is pretty rough, but I mean like a great thirty. You know, do you doubt due not? How your think? Do you get to keep all the stuff you bought in the thirty days. I mean I think you have to like it, like there's no to make that worth it. Yeah, there's no way you would do it if you wouldn't do it for what? If you got to keep all the stuff you bought in that thirty days, you wouldn't do one night in jail? I don't know, man, I don't think so. All right, it seems pretty awful, Bro. No, it's obvious that you've ropped a bank and you're trying to cover it up right now. Yeah, so he goes to prison. I watch this Ted Talk. He said that in prison a lot of people ask them for tips on bank robbery and he said, I don't know why you're asking me. I'm here too. How did you do it, man? Well, I got caught. So let's start without the interview. Yeah, but I mean, like if you can kind of, you can kind of, you know. Yeah, learn from other people's instay. Right, we're right. So, yeah, so he travels with his like school assemblies and like does like like don't do drugs, don't rob banks, like, don't do sketchy craigslist ads, stuff like that. So it's a book I really built a good career out of it, repaired his marriage. Is Happily married still to the same woman. They've they've patched it up and now he's resuming his life of his kids and crazy hard. He actually enjoyed having wet feet. So every morning he just takes a pitcher of water and just just and then you just hear him. Yeah, it's pretty gross, but hey, everybody's got their weird day, but he's a little weird. Yeah, I recovers Anthony Soggy sketchers still where it's Ketch yeah, yeah, but the more of the story from him. He talks a lot about how how it wasn't worth it, how he spent so much time in jail. He said, Hey, I missed everything. He said I miss so much of my kids lives. That missing my time with my my family, so I could get a little bit of money and some B I could in. He said it wasn't worth it, but he's famous now. So I mean, let's be honest, he's got a built a pretty decent career out of it. So capitalized on that. Yeah, what happened to the brink security guard? He still doing it. He's just really cautious about instruction. Where girls? Now another question. Let's say you're a bring security guard driver, right, yeah, how many times would you allow yourself to be pepper spray before you quit? How many times in any job, any job, would you allow? Well, okay, okay, what's what's the maximum and salary you have to have that be able to sting you getting pepper spray? Wow, then you're go like if you're Gett pepper sprayed every day, if you work at a pepper spray factory, all right, really, cash, just scooter a coffee shop. There's a guy sitting at the table just he's not scup, he's fas ripped. Should you hate the doctor? No, it's one of those tick tock videos. Hey, what are you do for a living? He's like, I'm a cute quality control not even looking at it. They're over here quality control, and you see those pig peppers brays it. I make sure they work it, because that's not something you want to sell a defective you never product, need it and they have it not work right, Yep, yeah, yeah, so much more fun to work for like the girls scout cookies places like Oh, we got a new product. Let's try, you know, sit out. This guy's like we got a new product. 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Actually, now they would be like the weird tumbler kids. And you know, anyway, they've got that little hey trademark on that idea. If someone's listening to this and like Oh, I should remake the dead poet society, they can't steal that, will see you. Yeah, I will sue you. Support US our patreons so we can win our lawsuits. That's a new perk patriot. Dead Internet. Theory, dead Internet, that we're all dead. Is this your look like? Is it listen? Is it like a lost situation where it not to give away the end of loss, but they're dead. Sorry if I spoiled that. You didn't miss much. So I don't finish it. That we're all dead and that the Internet is our hell, because that's what it feels like. That, honestly, that's my theory, is that we all died and the will is Internet. Dude, all dead and the metaverse is like the final Dante's inferno. It's The let's look the Meta versus the final layer. This reminds me. Let's get to the topic. I don't want to spend fifteen minutes talking about. Reminds you of what, though? I don't want to spend but anyways, what does it remind you? Yeah, well, I didn't want to go off on a bunch of tangents and allow myself the time and then not allow you the time. Yeah, so I need to get some tangent time if you're gonna get some tanted time. I deserve some tanted time and you just wasted yours on that roll. You dingus with Corellacom Flix TV in cale of life way. What are you banned from every website? You can go out and battle box. Are we real things? I learned last night. It's wasted here. Is a good, stupid and time joke. So what is the dead Internet theory? Are you really not going to give you a te you wasted it. I gave it to you and you w have to or get back in and work. Get back in later Tangente time. Have you taken some engine time today? You wasted your your danger time on that. You dingus man rats. So the dead the dead Internet theory? This is the theory that the Internet died a long time ago, and died is probably not the best word came for it. That's a little confusing that they say that. That I get the idea. Basically, the idea is that the Internet is no longer controlled by humans. Okay, which a lot of well, so here's the idea. So here's the idea. So I lay out from look at look at our Internet episode. Remember that. Take a take a brain journey back to when we did that. Can you play the theme song and then put the entire Internet episode in the Middle? Here things I learned last night. That's what we did. You could go back and watch it or or wait thirtyers and we'll talk to you again in fifty eight. We're throwing a whole episode. Couldn't decide what to cut. So anyway, think about the Internet. Yeah, yeah, welcome back. Hope you enjoyed that episode. There you go. Here's the episode. You try to listen to originally, if you fast forwarded. I hope you listen before. I hope you listen to atnt episode, because here's if you're gonna need some much needed context for about to talk about things I learned last night. Okay, so the theory is that AI is running all of it, Kinda so. So, okay, look back to our Internet episode. We talked about the history of the Internet. Right, yes, and there was an era in the Internet. You might call it the golden age of of the webcom boom, thecom boom, the golden age of the web. You know when choosing gumballscom reigns supreme. Everything you saw on the Internet and that era somebody handcoded themselves. It did not exist without a person doing it. So everything that's on the Internet now was coded by hand. Well, everything in that era, everything in thecom boom era, was code by hand. Someone built it all put it there. Okay, we're in an interesting era where, over time it's it's it's coppy and pasted. Everybody caught something from someone else. No one wrote anything. The code is just the code now, sort of. So so here's the steps that kind of touch. So it was if you wanted a website, you sat down with a blank page and you wrote all your rotored out. Yeah, you wrote it on a piece of paper and then you stuck it in your disk drive and you got the Internet. Used to be that. You have to write and Gep a feather in the ink and right ht in. If you had bad handwriting your website, better hope your l doesn't look like an eye, because then your website's broken. Ht Mine. That's how computers used to work. Did you know that what there was cards you inserted. That's a hundred percent in real or real thing they punched holes in them and that's it. Read the holes you punched. Yeah, anyways, floppy discs work. Why you need to see the had a hole in it. Blue Ray. It sounds like you're setting up a joke with did you just want to say blue, Blue Ray, blue ray. Okay, hole in it. All right, there's no real reason those discs to have holes. It's Oh my gosh. So the Internet somebody made. What were you're saying is is that like a city? You show up, the buildings have been made by some money. I'm trying to make it a flick of for I don't know what's so funny to you. Yeah, yeah, that is. Yeah, and now see, that's where that analogy falls apart. But now are the buildings themselves falling over and creating new ones. You don't have to see with that. Almost almost. So people hand cold their entire website right then after that there became an Arrow where plugins were born. Okay, and so someone will build it's plug in. Yeah, or the code for a plug into exist, and then they will. You could put that plug into your way. So you get plugins and plug ins were somebody went and they built this plug in, which is essentially a piece of content for your site, but you can manipulate to get to do stuff. Sometimes it was like a tool that did something. So then now you don't have to write all the code. You just plug everything in and then run with it. And that has become. That has done most of what the Internet is. That's what squarespaces. Yes, yes, scarre space is one hundred percent plugins. Yes, and and it's it's gotten the point now where, yeah, so much of the Internet people aren't sitting down to write it. They were using other tools and plugins to be able to get to that point. Well, as time has gone on, the kind of I don't know, big five or seven, depending on your lists, of the Internet. So your facebook, your Google, your Netflix, your companies like that. They all started writing algorithms. So they mo again. What are your Big Five? FACEBOOK, Amazon, Netflix, Google, apple is like different p Blix TB in Kale of life way. Those are my big five. Those are what all my tabs are. You know, twitter, Youtube, instagram, mostly social, but there's a couple whole like googles, to search engine, Amazon, the store. I don't know a lot of the media. You're not going to after this episode. It's dead to me. Yeah, it should be. They all wrote Algorithms. We've heard Algorithms a hundred times. There's a hundred and one. If you don't know, a hundred one algorithms an animated series for the modern child. You grew up with classes like dead Poet Society of one hundred one Dalmatians, but your kids watching dead Internet theory and one hundred one algorithms. With Correllacom Grella. I want to make a jacket out of these CSS layers. So if you don't know algorithms, just dictate what you see on the Internet. It's a set of SOTUATIONS. It's a computer looking at what you engage with or spend time looking at, and then it identifies things related to or that you are more likely to be Ange the time to. Yeah, and obviously the reason why they have these is so that way you spend more time on the platform, because most of them are making money off of advertising. So they need you to spend as much time as possible on the platforms. That way they can make as much money as possible, because money is life. Tangent time. You cut off my Tato time, so we're going to take some Tato time. I want some times of time back recognize the gentleman is recognized. Do you think it's interesting that there are so many industries now that social media is positioning themselves in a way that they are too big to fail? They're already too big to fail right now, but we've talked about often that, like our livelihoods depend on so much of the Internet existing. Yeah, like still working, but I think that that might have been part of the strategy of facebook and twitter. Is that? And even tick Tock, is that? You t about them a lot of I mean youtube goes down. There are how many creators who lose millions of dollars and revenue just from Youtube? Yep, Yep. I mean that is a huge thing because it's like, I mean, it's so much of the global economy now is tied to the Internet in some way. You get rid of it and it, I mean it. I was the only I'm even thinking more like social media stuff too, is that, you know, they make money on your eyeballs being on social media. But then also there's so many people who use social media, even if it's not like there. My primary job is creating content. I can still create content without those social media platforms, but without them I will not make anywhere near the income. I mean, that's the same thing. Like so many brands that advertise on those platforms would not make anywhere near as much money if it weren't for. That's true social advertising, because social advertising is unbelievably cheap compared to advertising historically, and so you're able to spend way more, which means you're able to get way more return. So yeah, it works. Would not work without social media. Okay. So can I get my tangent now? Sure, now, we won't do a tangent after tangent. I'll do a tangent later. I'll introduce itly. Do Double Tangents so well, when the old red triple tangents. So then algorithms. What they did is they started dictating what you see on the Internet. Sure, and that was kind of the two thousand and ten where you everything you see is an algorithm that's deciding what you're going to see. Right. Initially those algorithms were yes, some person in a computer, that happens, some high school, sat down and built this algorithm. It wasn't a high school, it was probably Google, but a computer ladd in Google was sitting down and he wrote this algorithm that dictates what you see. Right. What's interesting is we're in an are and now where that's not the case. You don't have an engineer that is writing these algorithms. They're probably involved in the process and they probably are writing parts of these algorithms, but for the most part they have an ai that is writing these algorithms. Right, and so they have watched thousands and thousands and thousands of interactions of people. I I have, or the person person's just like I have watched so much browsing his three Ai is taking your you leave a trail, yes, when you are, when you Internet, when you Internet, when you have to the Internet, you leave a trail. Yes, and the AI is taking all of these trails and identifying like in a basically, if, like there's a US map and you've taken a road trip, right, so then it's taking all of us who have taken road trips and they're stacking the maps on top of each other and identifying all the points where these things overlap, our paths overlap, and then they are showing you more of those overlapping points. Yeah, was really good analogy than I just came up with I was very good. Yeah, thank you. So I was like I was getting up credit for it, but the computers doing that. Whereas a person could do that for like fifteen the AI is doing that to thousands, tens of thousands, yeah, hundreds of thousands of people, just yes, and even more, even more than that, like they are able to observe more. But then they are able to adjust the algorithm, so they're able to see in all these different interactions with people, when the algorithm gave these sorts of scenarios, it had a certain result. And it's as well. This would be more beneficial if we gave these sets of outcomes in the algorithm. So it's adjusting the algorithm as well to give that outcome. Yeah, as well. And so it's gotten to the point where it really kind of is like it's a beast that's out of control. Yeah, it's like it's still relatively within control. The way I would describe it is like like an animal trainer who has got like a giant animal on a leash and they're like, we've got it, but it's like but, I mean we do, we have it, you know, it's like it's not trained, it's not in under control as far as I can't direct this thing anymore, but I've got it still. It's not yeah, like they can still, well, they can still kind of control it, but I mean the leash is pretty long, like they're letting it kind of do do it's thing. Every once in a while they're like they're like, okay, so what you want is a responsible owner of exotic animals, right, and currently silicon valley is just Joe exoticing. Yeah, that's pretty Internet algorithms. That's pretty accurate. That's pretty accurate. It's like, I mean they are the under control, sure our people's arms getting eaten off? Absolutely. HMM. Yeah, yeah, that's actually really accurate. So so what's going on here is we're quickly entering into a period where what's being seen by your eyes on the Internet is controlled completely by an ai some robot. Okay, that's just one piece of the dead Internet theory. So we're quickly entering into this, and that is probably the most confirmed side of this theory. Is like yeah, that's true. Each of these next steps going into this theory are where's it's a little less. You like this dance video, you'll like this one, or you liked this craft video. You'll like there's not like it like some instrument. One want dispatch room with people with screen cool watching everyone's browsing. But yeah, there's not. So that's already no party. Dead Internet just means there's no person in charge of that m there's no person doing it actively. Dead Internet, to succinctly define, would say the deadnet theory would say that we are dead. Internet is no longer a the Internet is no longer a human thing. It's the bots have taken over, essentially. Okay, as the idea, and so the first half of that is that that the algorithms are in room skate. When you show up the test logs and all the people cutting logs are in Tan shirts, green paints and they're bald, right, because that's the default character, you get many that that's a Bot. Yeah, yeah, and we're just trying to cut logs. We're trying to play a game and have fun, right, these guys are just trying to bought farm logs. There's farm and logs. Okay, that's a really good analogy, though. Thank you. Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, that's right. That's when new episodes drop on Patreon. Patreons a way to get early access to episodes and o their content and exclusive merchandise. And we're not going to stop there, because we got a private discord with our hosts and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a day. That's right, that's five dollars a month. You two can be a patreon supporter and not here advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore text till in the six six eighty sixty six. Otherwise I'll come to your house, I will find you, I will destroy everything that's good in your life until we're the only thing left. Anyway, here's another advertisement. So that's a first layer and in that is pretty much like yeah, like, that's what's going on, happening. Yeah, the next layers where a limit told us all about it. Yeah, the next layers where I starts to get like there's a conflict of opinion. Okay, this layer would tell you that. Well, let's roll it back a little bit. We're still we're walking this layer. We need to lay a foundation. Okay, have you heard of bots? Okay, we're doing an inception. That's fine, that's fine. BOTs. Yeah, yeah, a program that can run a certain function yes, yes, so the Internet, most of them have gotten pretty good that they can appear to be human as far as like they've got multiple patterns to run. Yeah, that's say running one pattern. Yeah, so there's there's there's two kinds of bots on the Internet. There are malicious bots and then there's benevolent bots. There these are your God bots, these these are the lords of the Internet. It's these. So there's a couple of them. You got like your boss spots, your boss bots. So you got some that are indexing the Internet. These are things like Google, and so Google's got all these bots that are, they say, crawling the web. They call spiders because they're crawling the web and they're indexing everything, and so that's how they know where everything is on the Internet is they're just going to every page on the Internet that they can find and seeing what that page is about and then putting it in a little index folder. Well, yeah, our website still gotta put that in the index. I guess I got the index it. Well, that's one kind of bought. There's there's other bots that are performing relatively similar functions. There are good bouts that. Then there's the malicious ones with that are trying to find backdoors in size, trying to find personal information, yeah, trying to like put code into site, to download viruses through sites, things like that. And then there's you kind of mentioned it. There's kind of these these impersonator bots that are attempting to be humans, and these are used in a couple a few different ways. One really common way that they're used is one it's honestly really tough from a like web analytics point of view, to tell whether a BOT is a BOT or a human. There are specific ips that we just know from experience that we're like, oh, that's a Bot, but there are and there are certain tendencies we can pick out where we'll be like, oh, this is a tendency that's tending towards. But but there's are there are plenty tendencies for as like, Oh, it visited this page or what. Yeah, behaviors. So like it, it tries to enter a form and it doesn't know what a street is like, things like that. But like and certain routes that follows like a rousing. Yeah, browsing behaviors like people in bots brows pages very differently. Bots are obviously typically quite a bit faster and so behaviors you can a lot of times be able to kind of pick up, but it's not always so cut and dry. So a very calm when I go to websites, I just look at pages like two seconds ago, too quick one to click. I try to make it boy yeah, and then I go to the capture formed and I'm like what's what? Yes, I don't want them. I want them. I in my what do you banned from every website? I do. I have no selfcontrol in the Internet. So I'm trying to get banned for being a Bot, and you can't get banned from the Internet, you know, you have to get pay in from every website. And I'm doing an outbreak order tomorrow's basking robinscom. I'm all in the bees, you know, take it forever. Oh my gosh, I can't even tell. Yes, it was bass pro. So anyways, that's a quick overview of bots. Fuddle, the fuddle, the Bota. Here we are now. There there was a popular form of Bot that came out, which I'm sure you've heard of, being a social media mogul like yourself. Yeah, there's you can go out in battle bots. We're talked about it a lot. So we're gonna say in the same time. Okay, you can on social media. You can buy views and buy followers. R I did, and that's super easy. Those all right, did for a podcast. Those kind of bots are pretty hard to tell if it's a BOT or not, right, because all they're doing is viewing some content, yes, or following a profile and so A. I mean it's pretty easy to tell, though. Well, when you click through the profiles, you can start to pick it up. Did you ever look at a certain politicians followers on twitter? I'm not sure what certain politicians you're saying. Well, you can't say that. You can't go look at the now, right, but when you did, this account was getting fiftyzero new followers a day. I would say that's probably not his own doing. I bet. I bet someone else was sending him there. Sure, yeah, but still. But yeah, yeah, and so that's the thing. There was actually there was actually this big company, I think they were called. Like, I mean, but I'm saying, there's so many youth pastors who do this. Oh, yeah, so many common yeah, well, because, I mean, you only need that. And this is where it gets like super unethical, though, is that you know your social media following is almost like a social media credits court, and so a lot of people are boosting these numbers up to an insane amount and then getting deals based on but what matters is your engagement rate, and the bots can't engage with your content the way that people do, can they? That's not paying enough. there. I've never paid for for I feel like I gotta clarify. I've never paid and there bodyny followers or anything like that. You never bought bots. Know about bots. There was a big company that just got in a lot of trouble in like two thousand and sixteen that was selling youtube views. They made like one point three million dollars at that. Maybe that's under what I think. Anyways, they made a lot of money. Yeah, selling views on YouTube. Sure, this is obviously a problem, because youtube views translates to money, chances to add revenue, and those advertisers spent money for real people to see it. It doesn't matter if a BOTSA there ad. It matters of a person's other add oh, I thought you were going the other way of that. A Youtube Creator could gain the system where they are paying for views and making more from the ad revenue. Well, yeah, that it is I want had on two sided. It's a two sided things. So, yeah, the the the Creator, made a lot more money because they had so much more views, but the advertiser didn't get the return on that investment because the people who viewed their ads were not genuine people. Yeah, weren't, yeah, you know, purchasing whatever their sells. So then these advertisers are all upset because they're like, oh, all these people weren't all that this money we spent was gaining this worthless right. And so platforms like Youtube want to try to limit the amount of BOTs on their platform as much as possible. Sure, facebook is also done this. FACEBOOK gotten big trouble, I think it was last year, for inflating the stupid yeah, I think I told you about that. Yeah, we should do a mini episode about that sometime. Yeah, that would be good one. Yeah. And so obviously like this, these these are these are problems because you have bots doing stuff like this. Well, they're getting significantly more sophisticated. Bots are these bots that are doing something like this. And so there's an account out there that has like one point, which I mean, I guess I wish I would have thought of using bots I was charging people for Youtube views and I was just watching so many, sitting there watching them. Dude, I had twenty two ABS open. It's clicking play on all of them because o paying me to watch this. Is that I got sucked into the ADS man. So, like the money I was making, I went and spent on the DAD's. Yeah, yeah, you won't believe how many Vpns I had. Oh my Gosh, man, I bought so much of that squatch soap stuff. So the thing is they've become significantly more sophisticate, and so they are now capable of engaging with content as well. And so they'll go, go and they like in the comment and they are getting a boughts do comment. They are getting significantly better at commenting, where they're more and more going unnoticed. In they're seeing more authentic right. Yeah, because they were using too many e Moji's to begin with. There was a time where it's like, if a BOT commented on something you'd like, that's not a person that you could tell. It's getting harder to tell, so much so that a group of researchers catfish by a Bot once. I tell you that. M No, it was just so hard to tell if it was a person or not. Is the shut. Up to the bakery. Firs was some meat and you wouldn't believe it, a full robot walks in the door. was like, hold on, did I skip bought fish? I hate this so much I just keep bought fished, not fish, like fisa Ph I a tech joke. I got it. I got it and he was like well, technically I am this and I was like wow, this is what are you doing? So there's this instagram account. Okay, this was, I'm pretty sure, put together by a like a research facility. Okay, I don't know what it is. They've got three point one million followers on instagram. Completely bought ran the accounts called Little Monella followers bots. Maybe because it's not as impressive, they just faked it. Well, in theory they aren't. Oh okay, so they're saying that the content being posting, content being posted, is posted by a bout. So this is a BOT account and they this research from was like, can we make this account viral by being a botton? So they've just kind of engineered about. Yeah, can we engineer program that would then build a follower, create an influencer. Basically and it worked. Wow, and and it's hard here. Let me see if I can actually just throw this on the screen. I'm going to stop our output. Are Your background looks better this time. Yeah, so this looks like, Oh, for real and authentic. And all the pictures. That's a real person. These are all night. These are deep fixtures. Yeah, these are deep fakes. What and so it created and like it is the content that it's putting in, like, they do not seem like okay, but I can tell the pictures are fake. But even the comments here, though, that's how come are you the girl from polar suppress? She kind of looks like we'll go back sex. I was reading for these comments here. This is spooky as heck, isn't it? Hu time can we spend on this, because I would love the deep dive into this stuff, but the comments all hold a whole. Look, Miss You. I hope you get a haul of what you buy. I'll show you what I got it today in return to click that account, which we can blow this tha. Is that a real person? It might be. That's a real person engaging with this butt like it's a normal like it's a normal account. But yes, they set this up to see can we get a Bot to become an influencer? Then they even had it up here. I'm like old robot living in La but all this is fake content and people are engaging with it like it's a real person, and I think there's a lot of people who, I would assume a lot of people, don't know. Which is scary and it's Ray. Say what the picture right to the right of what you're at? What's up with the eyes? That's a an instagram filter. That's Terry. Fine. Yeah, that is scary looking, though. So it's not perfect. But if you're not, if no one told you this was a bot and you're just scrolling through your feet and you see this pop up. So is this, you might my head out, a person? That's also made up. Yeah, all of this is fake, and so that are the images from. Whose body is this on? I don't know if this is a body. I think this is like remember when we looked at deep fakes in that synthetic media episode, like I did. Also, we got any who episode right now. Things I learned last night. So this episode is like four hours long. Welcome back. Welcome back from the synthetic media episode. So this is bonkers, man. Yeah, so this is all made up, because this is sure we are. I mean there, I'm sure what they did is they took the box. So, yeah, that's where I'm saying, though. There's got to be a real person to supply the that's a different boyfriend. She went through a breakup. Yeah, she did. Who that? That's it. What the face in that one? What Die Heck, I'm saying the go we're did the break up? How this one? This one didn't it go? Well, that one is symthetic media. Who are the Digital Demon people? What it's? It's crazy, man. And if you the girl from lady mouths were one of the comments said. So here's the thing, and so the dead Internet theory takes accounts like this. These are are known things. There's there's at least a couple of these like research accounts out there. Right, Oh, are we real? Who knows? So, did the what the theory says? So, what's that girl's name? Little Michaela, Little Michaela and Jake Paul are made up. Well, what they're saying is they're saying that we had we're now outnumbered by these. Oh, I don't like so and so. What they're saying is that the majority of the content online is one of two scenarios. Bots like this that are just very convincing fakes of humans, or they are that bought. How the check mark? I know in that crazy and that's instagram's doing. For that's wrong. I don't believe that's creat I just show a photo ID get my check mark. I mean a robot can get an idea, right. I was. I was just thinking, though, like I said, to upload a picture. I could have photoshop my ID. How are they gonna confirm that? That's probably what the BOT did. The pop probably just shop than I. The Bot was just like here you go as yeah, for D, I'm sure form the BOT was like yeah, send me to prison. Good, good luck, walk me away. Give it a try. Yeah, so the the jail on the metaphverse. Sorry, that's a tangent. Hey, perfect good opportunity for me to take my tangent that I've been wanting to take your tangent. So there's a one of my former students. I'm not going to say his name. He listened to his podcast, though. He'll remember this. Ryan sparks. No, that's not here, that different one. That's funny. Yet he texted me the other day he was like he's saying he got in Oculus and he was loving it. Okay, and I was like, dude, that's tight, Super Fun. You gotta met this girl, macay law. He was like he's like brother Neta verse is Dope, and I was I just I was like no, it's not. In his response text with as was fine, it's not. As response is the best thing I ever heard. He said in real life I have mice in my apartment. In the metaverse I have a robot, mean and so, and then he said, I know, I get comet girlfriend. He said I can also sit court side in an NBA game, and I said you could do those in real life if you get a job, you could. I want a robot and be court side if you just maybe you should get a job as a rat killer. Get rid of the mice in your apartment. Yep, work your way up. Yeah, work your way up the corporate ladder, the corporate rat ladder, the rat race, and then say so, so so. The theory is that there's cow or there's a lot of accounts like this, so and this is the other side dead innor a theory in Capt like includes the fact that the algorithm is pumping stuff in front of us. And then it's also say that the stuff it's popping in front of us is mostly made by not real people. Yes, and that's what's kind of losing me a little bit. There's decent data for this. So twitter, twitter did a study in two thousand and nineteen on two things, one bots on the platform to user engagement on the platform. So they found two really interesting statistics. One, they found that ten percent of the audience, or ten percent of the users on twitter, I think it was a hundred fifty million at the time, ten percent were the voice of twitter. So ten percent accounted all for the vast majority. was like ninety eight percent of the tweets on you and me. Yeah, we are twitter, but the other ninety percent they just they follow, they just listen. They're not the talkers. They call talkers and listeners. And so ten percent of all the contests wore, I call them. Ten percent of all the content on twitter came from WHO talkers, the same group. While they also found that four percent of all profiles on twitter were bots, and so not all of those bots were probably talkers. But you have reason to believe that if ten percent of voice comes from are ten percent of all the content comes from that same group, there's a reasonable amount to believe that a decent bit of that four percent that our bots are within that group and there's a decent bit of the content in twitter that's coming from commoter generated content. Yeah, okay. Well, because, I mean, I just saw I get emails all the time for an ai can write your blog posts for you. HMM. Well, we get emails all the time for ads that are written by Ai, like bots, trying to sell us, get us to do ads for them. Really. Yeah, all the time. You've seen those. Well, that's like I'm saying, like those are like clearly scams. No, no, but they're not. They're not selling us on like a script that's been written by an AI, are they? No, yeah, the script was written by the AI to send us, an know, to get us to give farur information so they could, you know, steal stuff from us. Is that we're trying to do? Yeah, Oh, the scam. They're fishing anyways. So then I've been bought fished. I don't know. So the so the theory is that? The theory is that a lot of the content. Not all, obviously, because you and I are still posting stuff and we see each other sweets or but it's the theory is that a lot of content online is being created by computers. Yes, it's also being pushed by computers. Yes, and then eventually your complete internet experience will just be computers. Yeah. What's interesting about it too, is it's even bigger than that too, because, like people who buy and views and engagement, there are brands who will do that to fluff their engagement, to go viral on things. Yes, and so advertise still do that to go viral. And so now you've got these groups that will say, okay, we're sending a BOT to make this go viral. About road an algorithm that made that to where they could get it to the point where it goes viral. And theoretically that thing that went viral was made by a Bot. And so you're in a system where it's like the Algorithm was done by a Bot, the algorithm was gained by a Bot and the content was created by a Bot. And so what they're saying is the Internet has been shrinking. It really, and this is this is verifiably true. It's like it's like the great like it's like a nation where everybody in the nation lived all over the place and then the city's popped up and everybody moved back in the cities. There was all sorts of places in the web and now it's just kind of facebook and twitter and instagram. There's all these other places, but really that's where everything online is happening, right, and so everything's coming even all the other places exist. Point back to those places, yeah, at some point, if you can end up back there. So so the idea is that we are now a serious minority in terms of who is having the voice online. We are consuming stuff that's created by Bots, and what's scary about that is things like with the Russian voter scandal. Right, anybody can create these bots and they can send millions of them into a platform, yes, and set them up to you and say whatever, right, and as they the things they're creating could be very dangerous ideas. Yes, yes, and even beyond that, like what's what's scariest about it is a lot of these are ai driven, so their machine learning. So they are set up to honestly a lot like our endorphin system in our brain is set up where the more they see that success rate, they're just going to keep going yeast it, but their way faster than us, and so they're able to pump out so much more than content when they start seeing success in that way that it almost gets the point to where the creators of these bots really do lose control that leash and it just runs wild. So dead Internet. Theory is that we've passed that point. Youtube Calls Youtube coined the phrase the great inversion, which sounds terrifying, and so that's the point where it flips and we are now. We flit from being the Internet controlled by humans so the Internet controlled by Bots and depending on control by the Internet. Yeah, depending on who you talk to, that numbers different. Some people will said there yet. Well, it's close. Think we're there. It's really close. Like the numbers, the numbers are tough to like say, are accurate, like it's really tough to find an accurate number. But it's anywhere from twenty percent of traffic on the Internet is bots too. I've seen numbers all the way up to sixty percent, and so if we're at sixty percent, the great in version happened and the bottom and control. It's really, really tough to say where we are. But if you look at a lot of those chief websites that are at the top, they'll have numbers of their asset estimates that are probably relatively close to the amount of boss that they have on their platform. And it does seem like we are really, really close to that line of fifty fifty. Whether we're past it or not as hard to find. But twitter or Youtube crack down in two thousand and fourteen, right, and it was a huge deal because that meant a lot of creators found out, Oh, I have twentyzero subscribers than I thought, and for some creators that was a huge impact to their channel and in their revenue then, and so that was a huge yeah, almost scandal, but it's like it needed to happen because that meant that a lot of the content or a lot of what the advertisers were spending their money on was worthless. Right. And so you sayfully doing it, but facebook wasn't even using bots to get those views. They were literally just changing the numbers. HMM, that was a little more like moist asking. Yeah, like someone, someone was doing that. Have you heard of tilling podcast March? That's right, we have a merge store full of tilling bread and teas, hoodies, mugs and so much more. We also make new designs for every single episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them while they're hot. Text till into six, six, eighthndred and sixty six to get your till and March today. But it's a scary scenario because we have a situation where anybody who has a little bit of technical know how can really influence public opinion pretty easily. Yeah, and we saw that with Russia. There's there are these farms in China know, that are getting shut down like full warehouses. It's kind of ominous to look at it, where they were literally have walls like rooms as tall as this one, where walls floor to ceiling. They've got phones and the phones are hooked to a server and the servers running that phone, and so you can see it browsing the Internet and engaging with content and putting stuff on like liking posts and commenting on posts and stuff like that, and it's it's terrifying to watch like just all these screens moving around super quick on this wall and they're all like all these chargers plugged in and moved all of the place. China is cracking down really hard on those right now, but I mean the Chinese government probably has them too well, because a lot of these what they're doing is they're doing like almost like smear campaigns against the Chinese governments. Also say they're cracking down on yeah, so they're almost certainly the Chinese government has their own settled up for sure, and I mean it's it's pretty likely. And why do you think they didn't put the windows on those Att Buildings? That's what I'm saying. I think it's pretty likely that just about every like first world country has some port portion of the government that's doing some level of this. And it's scary because it's like you almost can't find something on the Internet that's reliable anymore. It's right, it's set up to steer you towards some sort of opinion. Yeah, and there's someone or something like a bought behind it, which is scary. And so that's the idea here in the dead Internet. Theory is that we've lost control of the Internet and it's completely run over by we've hit the great inversion. So if PSS episode are bought worked, it got you here. Welcome, we're bots. Were deep fakes all of this. We were do a weird like I don't know. Yeah, sometimes it glitches. Yeah, but yeah, so it's I mean it's kind of it. It's a little scary because it is a situation where it's like, I mean, how to how do you fix that? I mean you're kind of opened up. We've kind of opened up Indora's box with the algorithms and the AI and it's Internet. Can we get control of it? I don't know. I don't know if there's any solution other than just killing it. Well, but that's the thing is that once it does cross over that threshold where it is mostly bots creating content engage you with content, there's no reason for ad spenders to put money there anymore. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and so I think we'll just see new circles pop up where ad money does get in front of real people. Well, the interesting thing is because at the end of the day, that's all that matters. The big groups, those big websites, well, I'll tell you where. Nowhere near that threshold. Yeah, but that's because they have their own boss running. Yeah, the thing is, is that legitimate? It's hard to say because because they're red and he was tied to that address. A solution, so they'll lie. Make friends in real life. Yeah, only trust people you see with your real eyes. All Right, let me touch your eyes, let me type you your eyes. I'll know you're real if I feel your eyes. Okay, doubting Thomas. Only make friends in real life and unplug your phone to night. Turn it off. They can hear you. Lock your front door with a real lock, not with the computer lockint a computer lock. Do the thing where you for your sliding back door. Do that? Think we have the broom stick in the way? Yeah, that. Obviously the robots are going to get in. have an emergency front of a thousand dollars. Pay Off your smallest debts first, going with the baby stick. Practice. That that's Snow Ball, Ye, aren't your Big One? Reward progress. Build a bunker. Build a bunker, hit well, dig a hole, final wall. Call the news by the giant. To do all that stuff first, and then build a bunker. Build the bunker. You in that bunker survive the apocalypse. Yeah, but if you connect Internet to your bunker, start all over. Yeah, if you're listen this in your bunker, right now what are you doing? You broke the system unless you downloaded this gruble bro good bunker. Broke your bunker. So yeah, so, I mean, you know, that's a scary place. Now is my bought bunker. It's fo yeah, just afraid of bots. That's the body box in this room right now. I see Bots, I see dead Internet. Yeah, so, I mean it's terrifying. Well, to the scary scenario and anything and everything you see on the Internet, I mean legitimate. They could not be real. That influenzer was scary. Yeah, that's very scary. And they're on the other they're only getting better, like they're only getting better at this, and so the more time that goes on, I mean, the more you're going to see stuff like this. Man, I've wanted to start a conspiracy where I was a fake person for a long time. Either that or I died, but in the Avril leaving thing happened later. But like I should have done this. I thought about in my first set of faked died in my first special back like tosen fourteen. Yeah, you can't find it anywhere. I can don't, but I thought about after, like you know, be like thank you so much on Jeremy Well, everyone's clapping, not in the microphone, just like mouthing the words, like I died four years ago. Cool, just doing that in every special so that it like fifteen years. It just showed clips of me be like like me, like trying to cry for help, like I'm dead. I thought that would be funny. That's that is really funny. Yeah, I didn't do it, though, so you start. Yeah, I will. I guess I could go back at alter the footage with Ai. If you see it, it's altered footage, but it's bad. It's a bad altered footage, like you know where you put a little square mouth. I died two thousand and four what. Anyway, are we done? Yeah, yeah, we can. That was my robot missing up. Did he off? Okay, great things on the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connor beat social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review, comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you. For listening to things on the last night,

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Hey Man. Well, all right, have you ever heard of Rock Wall Texas? You shouldn't tell me about a town in Texas. Rock Wall Texas, Rock Wall Texas. Yeah, you ever heard of it? I am assuming it's that guys a town in Texas and not a person named Rock Wall Texas. Gosh, I canna wait. I'm saying you know exactly. He's a car dealer, right, Rock Wall Texas, and you got the big Tim Gallon Hat. Grew up in Vermont, right, and so he's down there and he's just using the worst like how do y'all? I have the best trucks in it down here. You Know Rumont? Well, yeah, he's in Vermont. He's in his hometown. People are like like, Stephen, we know that you're from, like we graduated high school together. Well, I am Rock Wall Texas. You can call me our debut and our DEBA Texas, our Wa Texas. Yeah, so it's a real we're talking about real place, though. Yeah, this is a town, not a not a person, and it's what are you looking at me like this is an alien thing. It's not an alien thing. You did not make a guy contact with this isn't there's some chance I don't think it is. They gonna rose. Well, I'm right. I'm thinking of rock. Anything is it has a slim chance to touch on aliens. This one doesn't. Okay, I mean it does have a slave. Anything has a slobchins, apparently, so this does have a slip. Okay, rock wall text, but it it probably isn't. Most like probably isn't. We're most likely not, as it owls. No, first things first, I'm the real tourist. I'm digging our graves. What are you a thought? So little whole happened was before we got into staring kids. It's too bad. I mean, have you ever done a hole? A BUSHEL is equal to about zero point zero, two blow blowing thirtys things. So here's the thing. So the town rock wall, Texas, is it's this town in the suburbs of Dallas. Okay, all right, DFW, if you will, sure have W students for rock wo frock will, rock will. That's the silent it's on the northeastern end of of the dfw area, okay, and it it's on the shore of Lake Ray Hubbard, and it's honestly like a really pretty town because it literally is like right up against the lake. And here's the thing, like, like Lake towns in Missouri, we trying to saw a time share there or it get to the point. It's a really pretty area. The school district is Great. Honestly. Yeah, what are you real turn what is this? I actually like, I'm really gonna love. You'RE gonna love rock wall text. I watched a real turns video about rock wall. Did you there for yeah, yeah, I mean. and honestly, the market is just booming right now, like you really and interest rates are in all time low. Yeah, you know, it's a really pretty town, uh Huh. And it's so here's the thing. Like Lake towns in Missouri, I like Super Hilly and like because the lakes in Missouri are usually like the shorelines, pretty hilly. Who was? Fort Worth is super flat. Yeah, like a super flat area. So the lakes are really flat. Yeah, this is the flattest Lake you've ever seen. That's a Buffy Lake. Yeah, you're in Missouri. We got bumpy lakes. Yeah, you get it. Italy hilly lakes, but yeah, it's not that way. So it's like it's honestly almost like a beach shore. I actually have pictures of it and it's if if it doesn't to make it better. It's also for the part where you say here's what's interesting. This is a no, third most wealthiest like county in Dallasis we're in the world in Texas. Okay, the Third Wealthiest County in Texas is Rock Wall County. Rock walls the county seat. I don't know. Okay, Oh, this is a really this is a great picture. And Look, I'm good now. Is that architecture? Is that tote him? Is that Tarte? I can't tell. Is this what you plan to show? It is you think? Do you have anyone's crazy is that? This town is just fuzzy. It's blurry. Look, this is the worst image I've ever seen in my life. Thing, here's the thing. On my screen, I have secret good rams looking for like this is ridiculous. On my screen, this looks a lot better this. This TV's way bigger than my screen. So this tells me lesson learned. I need to test this on the screen from now I. Yeah, old, not. No, I've just found in fight a higher resolution, our resolution image. Give me a second, let me see if I can. The point being is it's it looks very fancy. Yes, okay, since they're shopping center. Yeah, so they kind of have a couple of these. They have like almost like almost like the brandson landing, like yeah, like a like outdoor along the shoreline. They've got a bunch of docks everywhere. Can here you go, compare and stuff to Branson. I love this about you, so kind of the Branson Lady. Oh yeah, that's way better, a lot less blurry. Pretty Nice. It's yeah, they got a CINNA mark. You'RE gonna believe this place, Dude. Yeah, what is that? A crime? Just your typical like outdoor malls or I don't know. Who thought this was going to be like the big thing. It seems like Gen x was just like history. Yeah, you listen to the suburbs episode. You were there in the hot tub with I know, but I'm saying they like it seems like in the early two thousands they were like outdoor malls or the future, and people are going to want to live there. Yep, like Zona Rosa across from my house has apartments that are all like stupid expensive, and I'm like, what do you want to live above coldstone creamery? Go down a little bit. Why? What is your deal? A little bit, so it's okay. So they have multiple of these. Yeah, that is really pretty, though. It is really nice. And what's Nice about it is it's like it literally the shoreline is super flat, so it's like most of the town is just butts up to this big old lake. It's a big lake and they the sun sets on the opposite end of the lake. So every night sintimes they're just beautiful. Yeah, so it's a cool town. It's a cool town on Google maps. If you look it up on Google maps, this is the picture. It's just buper. seriously. Yeah, yeah, and actually, because it's the richest county, this is this is just a six year olds birthday party. Like this isn't even like the place you can go. This is just, you know, parents. Do you know parents do that stuff? Yeah, I was driving through the the rich neighborhood down by the plaza and there was a house that had a full bouncy castle and all that stuff and their front yard. I was like this is what. There's like a spectrum of just trashy. Right, so there's like there's like poor trashy, which is people who their yard is full of Christmas inflatables, but their front door is a piece of ply wood, right, and then there's rich, trashy, yeah, which is they are having full out, like they hire there's the people who hire monster trucks to just comes sit in the front yard for a kid's birthday party. It's the gemstones, yeah, people who are just like they're spending money and and by stupid, stupid stuff. Dumb. Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah, I actually, you know, there was the there was the five hundred shark robot vacuum that I could have gotten, or there's this, you know, seventeen thousand dollar, looks like a person. It's literally it's a shark vacuum, but it's got a mannequin on top of it, so it just runs around your house, but it's shades like it's a person. You know, it's like real. That's my main thinking this. I don't think so. I don't know. I'm saying, like that's what they were by, though. You know, why? Why buy the you know, the UPPLE THE MIDDLE CLASS LUXURY ITEM? Yeah, when you can make something worse? That's what I'm saying about this. That is the point. That is the point. That's fair. That's fair. This is class trash. Is What it is. So it was. What's interesting about rock wall is how it got its name. Is it really? Is that where you're going? Yes, so, Rock Wall Texas. What's interesting about rock wall is how it got its name. Now there's a whole wall of rocks there and it's really pretty. This sunsets on the opposite end, so like at night, it just creates a good little shadow on it. And Anyway, houses are about, you know, four D and eighty two, five hundred and fifty. I could put you in to two bedroom this weekend. Contact me today. Yeah, started a job as a real turn to town that I lived seventeen hours. The real touristcom that way is the real tourist. The thing is that, as someone we had to be done that. First things first, I'm the real tourist. Somebody had to have done that. The real tourist. There are six posts on instagram with the Hashtag real tourist, real tourist, and they're all people who just did not a spellt tourist. Yeah, I think that is actually what's going on here. First things first, I'm the real tourist. Is If you're a real turn, you listen to our podcast, go sell some homes with that one. They're actually all in Iceland. I wonder if that's a word out there, out there anyway. So how did rock wall get their name? So rock wall, Texas wasn't always a town, as most towns were, at one point, it was an idea. So there was a group of settlers, okay, from Illinois, back when they called settlers settlers, and in like eighteen fifty, that are eight fifty one, they traveled to Texas, and this is an interesting time in history. I've always thought about where. It's like you have a life in Illinois and you just say let's take everything somewhere and then when we get somewhere it'll be home. I miss it. And then they just like laying I say this a lot. They just ended up in Texas and like this is our house now. We were talking ray and I my lady about why our families just ended up in Springfield and they were like this is it, this is home. At a time where they could have just been anywhere, they could have and they went this is the world. was their oyster. Yeah, I think they saw that giant fork and they were like we can't leave here, we gotta build around here. We go see the giant fork and the fork is a natural formation, and that's where I'm saying for a natural for nation. So the people from Illinois, yeah, and at one jumped on a flight down to Texas they settled. It was flights were really turbulent back then, bumpy, hilly, a hilly, flighty flights. But they got there and they said, man, the sunset here is beautiful, the promenade, the the bumper cars are great, this is so much. They got a CINNA mark. So they started playing at a cinna mark next to a cinnabond. Come on, yeah, I can't do it. Yeah, I gotta, I gotta stay here. So they started building and they were digging there well as you would, and they hit something and I bet you could guess it was a rock wall, just a layer of rock, like like you would see it, like planet fitness, if planet fitness shut up, my old climbing wall. They're digging their well and they come across, honestly, just the best training ground. You're not gonna believe this. Gonna leave this? No, but they did come across a rock wall. That I mean. Have you ever dug a hole? Yeah, I feel like, what did you why did you dig a whole? What was your reason? I've done a few holes. Yeah, well, you're a homeowner now. I feel like that's just part of something. harmers. Dude, lets you get a home. You're just like us on the back yard. I could dig it. Just drunk in your backyard digging holes. That's what I imagine all of homer homeowners all is. They're just like, well, my life is finished, I own a thing. And then they're like I oh, you're bother. You're like, I own this way and I'll do what I want to get and your wife is like, please, come inside, stop. You know. She's like what are you doing? I'm digging our graves to get us out it. Do get my graves gus. I mean we're not going to use them for a while, but it's getting prepared. I please don't have her yourself and the not bear yourself, please don't. Please, don't bear yourself. Also, please don't have your grave plot be in your backyard and your Beck Harts of a house. You own it. Your s probably won't even own it. then. What happens if you sell the house plots? I come back, knock on the doors like hey, my wife died, but our graves are in your backyard. Can I bury her there? Bury her next to our dogs. She made me promize. What like? It's shuttles and everything. She's in the Trun you already have a ghost in the basement. What's one more I've you say? I've got her in the trunk. You should put her in the passengers. That's creepy. You're weekend and three. So anyway, you've doug a few holes. Yeah, I took a few holes. And how deep were your holes? I mean, not crazy deep. I think the deepest I probably dug was like, I don't know, three or four deep, four feet, but that was I was digging to get dirt the other the other time. So my other hole like fill this whole. I think there's dirt everywhere moving. My Dad comes home, our back at looks like the movie holes. Sorry, I doug what I had to tie Ito. That's too bad. Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, that's right, that's where new episodes drop on Patreon. Patreons a way to get early access to episodes and as their content and exclusive merchandise. And we're not going to stop there, because we got a private discord with our host and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a day. That's right, that's five dollar a month. You two can be a patreon supporter and not here advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore text till in the six six eighty sixty six. Otherwise I'll come to your house, I will find you, I will destroy everything that's good in your life until we're the only thing left. Anyway, here's another advertisement. Now we actually we doug a hole in the park, the neighborhood park. Yeah, in middle school. Oh, because there was this tunnel. There's a tunnel. It's just like a drain. Is like storm Jame tunnel right by the pool in the park. And a thing that you would do in my neighborhood when you're in middle school is you would go to the neighborhood park, and this is back when kids played outside a lot. Yeah, you go to the name of a park and you'd go coerce a bunch of third and fourth graders, your sixth, seventh, you're older, you have our yeah, you'd course them to come explore the tunnel with you. But the tunnel was like it was honestly probably like this is the thing in your town's just course and third graders to the tunnels. Yeah, that's kill a kid in modern house once. Yeah, three football fields long and then it curt. It cut a corner right and are on the right around the corner. What we did is we, with masking tape, mummified a little YODA doll and hung it from the ceiling and there was a manhole cover right there. So another one of us, okay, what stand up on the street. Yeah, and we'd come around the corner and we would make a lot of noise when we saw the the way I said a lot of noise. Yeah, launch and nors such when we saw the Yoda and then the person at the manhole cover would through the manhole cover pretend to be Satan and like they would know their names. We would tell them like hey, we took hey, what are your name's? Kids, we have a scout. You're saying they're a scout. Them children took him into a three hundred foot long tunnel. This is just the thing to do in your town. Hey, kids, we're older and more powerful than you. Come with us, or will beat you up. And then they'd cover up the course. You used to work co worse. They cover at the corner and they would think they saw found a mummified baby hanging from the ceiling, because that's what we made it look like and because we cut the ears off. Of course we cut the Yodo years off, obviously, and then one of the they would cry and then the Satan person would say their names, whatever they're name was, so like todd, it's me, Satan. That's pretty much where it ended all the time, and they'd run away and we thought it was Super Fun. This was back before. Did someone do that to you? Um, this was just something you thought of. I I do remember going in there when I was as sounds like I'm filling the origin story. That sounds like there are people in your town who are straight up out to get you. I remember going in there when I was younger with some older kids and getting scared. I don't remember exactly what happens that. I remember for years not going in. There's got to be someone who's listening to our podcast from your hometown who is just like it was just like he's laughing about my trauma. You know, like what a weird thing you guys, and you're like yeah, good that. You know people complain about and it. Maybe you need to hear that if you're a parent. People complain about kids being on video games all the time, but look at the alternative. All right, yeah, well, he's learn not pretending to be Satan. Let me give so the whole. So the way the hole happened was before we got into scaring kids, we were just exploring the tunnel. We were just scary. Well, who does explode? Before we got into it, you know, and that was really like before we before our hobby evolved into just, you know, fright, it was really more innocent than that. It was just digging holes. Well, they were like maybe we could use this whole just scare some children. We were exploring the tune, doing a little innocent spray painting inside the tunnel and stuff, you know, but we never adventured too far down the door of Vand we never ventured too far down the tunnel because was scary. Well, we could tell that the man who cover had to be there because a little bit of light shone down in, but we never went far enough to go actually find out because we were scared. And so one one summer we just took all my dad's shovels to the park and just started digging a hole in the park, like in the like grass lawn part of the park, where we were like yeah, we think of that hole. That light is probably going from this plot of land with no hole. Maybe we could find it. You started digging to try to find the tunnel. We were trying to find that hole where the light was coming in the tunnel and we're like, yeah, that's probably right around here in the freaking park. I'm surprised no one caught us and I got surprised we'd hit like the sprinkler lines or anything like that. But yeah, we dug the hole and then my dad got real mad at US and how to go fill it in. Yeah, we put it back in. They're all right next to it. Yeah, he's like, but there's the point, is that your original hole was filled. Yeah, and here's why I bring the story up. If you dig a hole, you generally hit something like you're gonna hit. There's something underground. There's a lot of things in the ground. There's something down there. I don't like the way said that. So the people in Texas and rock walls has hit this rock wall and they hit it and they're like, oh, it's there's something, there is rock, this is rock. And so they they started trying to dig around it and as they dug around it, they were like, oh, this is like, this isn't like a rock, this is like a wall. This is this is a rock wall. And here's the thing. It does not. I can tell you righting that it does not look natural. Let me show you. So there's there's one portion of it. What resolution is the imager about the show? We'll find out when I get it on the screen. There's there's one portion of it that is still exposed today just because it's the town has boomed and has been a lot of development. So writing buried back in there's one person that's still supposed today and this is part of that rock wall. It does not seem natural. Looks Natural at all. It so wait, it very much looks like a set of stones, like they are all about two to three feet long. Maybe. No, it's clearly a man made like stacked up rock. Yeah, and it's that they're cut up and still the rocks are shaped, you know, relatively similar. So there's no more to or anything. They're just stacked. They're just stacked. So they're loose. Well, I mean they've been underground for a long time. So a lot of like dirt has got up in those cracks, and so that's pretty firm. Yeah, well, dirt up in the cracks, so it's pretty ferb. That's what I say when I get home for the mindes of the mines all day. A lot of dirt for these. And this where you want to go with? All right, I'm AB outside and dig some holes. All right. So they found a manmade wall. Yeah, underground, underground. So, and this is the only part that's still exposed. This is the only part that still expose. This is the house right there. That's the Rock Wall Historical Society. Okay, and they've got a little museum with all the history about all the families. How long do they think it is? Here's what's interesting. So in one thousand nine hundred and eighty in architect went and mapped the STU. I mean at a certain point, like someone's got to be like, we should figure out where this Wall came Oh, a lot of people have tried, a lot of people are try. Okay, look at that. Okay, and in one thousand nine hundred and eighty and architect, aliens and architect went and mapped this wall and because there was a lot of they come out croppings where it just sticks out of the ground. There was in the s still a bunch of those spots where it sticked out. So you went around up since, yeah, mostly because of just development like so you're saying under Niel Cina mark is a full wall. Yeah, case may s. How longer he determined it is. So he went around and he mapped it. He actually just found all the outcroppings and then took a map and played connect the dots, like it's, I don't know, one of those Italian grills with the anyways on macaroni grew. Yeah, they were going crony go. This is the map of the wall. It is my entire city and more like it. This is so to give you a picture, this is about thirteen miles long and about five miles wide and it's, if you're listening, stretch on this side is thirteen miles. Thirteen miles. Yeah, and so to give you a picture, if you're listening there it's almost a rectangle. There's some angles all, and I mean the the two with sides are pretty straight. Yeah, and then the one length is pretty straight. Ye, the other one is really kind of a good yeah, and what's interesting is it's like it it reminded me of like if you look at if you look at the map section of your Bible and they have the like kingdoms that have their walls, like there's like kind of the inner walls ser weird down here at the bottom. Yeah, that's why I'm saying there's like there's that big outer wall and then there's like an inner wall with like almost like if this was some sort of wall for like a kingdom that was like their keep was like the central area where it's was more fortified than everything else. Very, very big, very very much. I mean you saw the wall. It looks be made. You see this your how tall do they think it is? That is where there's a lot of speculation. Nobody has reached the bottom. People try, yeah, theories. The theory is that it's about eighty feet deep. Holy Cow, no, nobody's made it to the bottom of this wall and no one's interested enough to do it. I'm interested right now. Let's go start digging. People are interested. Eighty feet eighty feet deep. Eighty feet deep. So you're saying if it is eighty feet, right, let's do a conservative let's just say fifty feet. That's a five story building. Yes, so you're saying that four thirteen miles there's that tall of a wall. Yeah, yeah, and we've just built on top of it. Yes, and people are just like let's put some bumper cars. At no point in this just did somebody want to go. Let's just try to get to the bottom. Well, a lot of people have. The problem is, eighty feet is a that's a long hole. I mean you're digging for a while. This isn't just something. You're probably digging through multiple layers of the earth. Yes, yes, this is this is a significant project to get to the bottom of it. So we'll turn the calendar back to the beginning. When they first found this, the people who found it were amazed. They were like this is got to be man made. And if it's covered up in eight hundred and fifty, it's been there for a long time. And I knows how long I mean. And if and for it to be as tall as it is, I mean eighty feet deep, that is a lot of layer of earth, which would make you say that this is thousands of years old. Yeah, so this is it's a significant find if it really is man made. So in the fifties a bunch of people. But you're looking at that picture and saying it's not man made. Well, the conclusion now is that it's natural. Are you dumb? Are who pull a picture back up of the thing of the wall? They conclude? Someone says that this is natural. Yeah, they stupid. Are they stupid? Is that it's natural? Well, why would that name? Well, that's dumb. Well, okay, so we'll roll the clocks. Just how would someone find this picture? Because if you see this, there's no way you're looking at this being like yeah, it's natural. Yeah, I don't know, man. That's clearly like the way that bricks are laid out. You know how you put your long break over to yeah, like for the support. That's how it's laid down. The only happened that is not as no way. There's no freaking way. But the general consessence now is that it's a natural formation. People are stupid. WHO's dumb enough to be like this is okay, whatever. What are they covered up? What are they coming out? So in eight hundred and fifty, where they see they were super hyped about it. Yeah, Dung, a bunch of holes and look at it. That was like we left our lives, no annoise, for this, this wall. We got a wall. Like what are they? Cool if we could climb it. And that's how rock walls were born. Okay, so they they incorporated as a town. They knew after the wall. Yeah, what's they called, Rock Wall? Oh, I thought you were right. They called him Peter and they named it Peter, Peter the wall. Peter the wall. Yeah, it's easy to our wall, Peter. Yeah, we like them. We like them. We're pretty sure he's natural. Pretty crazy, know. At that point everybody was like, yeah, this is some ancient society. Yeah, obvious, okay, because it's like, I mean, it looks like it looks like something you would see. Like is this composed, exposed part of the limit? This is the only exposed today. Really, that is the only part that is exposed today. Really, there's a rumor that there's a spot on private property where there's an archway, but I cannot find any pictures of this arch way. This is the only part that's exposed today. Yes, yeah, that is crazy, because that's because they're covering it up. So for four years early, but also for years people were they settled. The town Baptist Church opened up and like they started establishing like a real town. Right. Well, in one thousand eight hundred and eighty something, the rock wall suspect, which is they are local murder, their local sketchy life. Oh Yeah, that's the Rock Wall subspect going there any crime. He's our number one, you know. Yeah, they didn't have the words scapegoat then. So there's like yeah, he's the word. No now. Yeah, so the Rock Wall suspect their newspaper. It's their newspaper. This is a bona fide newspaper. I need to need to lead with that. Real paper. This is a real paper. This is not a tabloid. They are not Info Warscom, they are not wall truth dotnet. If you look at any of their news articles real throughout the history of the newspaper, everything is to totally just normal. It's things going on in town. It's classified. It's a normal newspaper. Right. But in I can't remember the year I was looking forward today this morning. I can't remember. Hear sometime in the mid s s they put on an article that a local farmer was digging at the wall, like a lot of people in town generally did, because we were like we want to know, we want to know what it is. Also, the a teen in the markets stay anything else to do. They've been built our outdoor mall. Yet it's so bro this. So what they said is that he was diging the hole and he found a skull of like a giant human head, like a skull, but like big, and it said it was half a Bushel in size, which is what, which is big? People do you under beat? People understood that meant. They did understand, like Oh, half a Bushel, half a Bushel. Yeah, and so like it went to extensive Lens. A BUSHEL. Let me pull it up. So half bushel is four and a half gallons. How many tablespoons is that? So half bushell comes out to roughly one hundred table spears? How many airplanes is that? How many thirty sevens is it's like half a Bushel. Don't worry about it. Okay, seven soscom yeah, there we go. You said that up right. Yeah, yeah, it's a real calculators stories. What object are you measuring? I am measuring a Bushel length and with their feet. I mean four gallons. That's gotta be like what, one foot for gallons? Yeah, that's two foot, two feet. Okay, so that comes out to if we stacked for gallons here. All right, so, according to how many seven and thirty Sevencom a Bushel is equal to about zero point zero, two, blowing, bowing and thirty sevens. Okay. Also, I don't even remember which of us how we did that, but whatever, I'm probably called it back. So he says he finds a giant skull. Yeah, a big, a big, and there was a human star rock in the forehead. Right, pretty crazy story, though, Goliath and went to pretty, pretty big lengths to describe the shape of it. It said it was missing most of its teeth, but it did still have a few teeth on the top jaw. Yeah, and it ends the article like of a war job it. He had civil war job. Civil war hasn't even happened. Ye, happened then eighteen by one thousand eight hundred and eighty. That's fair. Civil War job. He was there, he's in the civil war. Everyone missed them. Have you heard of tilling? PODCAST March? That's right, we have a merge store full of tilling bread and tea's, hoodies, mugs and so much more. We also make new designs for every single episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them while they're hot. Text till into six, six, eight and sixty six to get your till and March today. The article ends with them saying whatever his name is, like farmer Johnson has he has opened up his home to anyone in the town who wants to come see the skull. So the next day an article comes out. This is guys, that a mob shows up and as like, I want to see the skull and he's just holding that like we'Rrefiki and Lion King. Just everybody in the town doesn't got to it's a giant's head and it's half a Bush, which is zero point zero two, s seven thirty seven. Is Martha. They're all named Martha, isn't that? And that what it is. Martha or Marsha, just just close enough. What are you a thought? Yeah, she's a shove man. Oh Man, I've been talking this new girls. She's a real shot. She's a real shot. You gotta find them with Fuck. You gotta hold on to her. So, yeah, everybody goes to his house. And it's like, let me see this skull, and then everybody show I'm here to see this. Call Man, someone Knox and girl front door. It's just like I'm here to see this call. At a certain point they got knocking like you know why I'm here, and everybody who saw this skull was so taken aback by the scenario that they immediately we're like, well, that's we got a dig and so the whole town mob is out here, a whole town is at his land just digging. And according to the story in this newspaper article, they dug all day until eventually one of the guys there, he calls every one over and he's like, I found like a hole in the wall and he's like watch this, and he drops his hammer through the hole and so he reaches the hand through the hole. It's a hole in the wall which is hand through, and drops it and it sounds like it falls like for a long way. And then what's interesting is the article says it's was described as if it hit metal, like it sounded like it hit metal, which is obviously not natural. And so they were like the wall apart. So they got their picks axe, pick axes and started ripping open this wall and they said they they found a cavern that was about sixty feet tall, held up with all these pillars. What. The interesting point, though, is that the article does say it wasn't clear whether this cavern was man made or natural, which is interesting because, like, what are you talking about? I'm serious, like when I look at this and nice go someone's gonna look at this and tell me that's natural? Yeah, I don't know. I mean here I've got some other pictures of when they had it excavated. More okay, I will say in this excavation shot it's a little bit more believable that it's natural because it's a little less cleaned up, but at the same time I just find it hard to believe. I mean if it's been there for a long time, it's hard to believe that it would be covered up. Yeah, there would be this any rocks and they look like they're stacked because because there's there's a chance, like if you have a wall at this that was exposed, that erosion could rode like a pattern into it. Sure, and like I've seen like up in the mountains and color. I don't I've seen some lake has flooded. Yeah, this has been under water at some point, true, but even that, like, I've seen some like erosion where there's like patterns, but it's not this big like this is. This looks like a picture you would have. Is your background, by the way, this is eighty feet deep. That's at feet. Well, this is. This one is like about thirty. But the wall is supposedly runs eighty feet deep, four miles and it looks like this. You don't see that. Like if you see something that looks like this natural, like it's it's a small moment where that pattern is and then it gets random again, like this is not right. To uniform, yeah, to be natural. Now here's another picture, an older one. I don't I can't confirm that this is real. Everything I found that talks about this shows this picture, and this picture, to me, if it's real, is a nail in the coffin that this is not natural, because they are are curved stones that wrap around like windows. Does it look better in your computer now? Is this this? Look this is a drawing, though. This is not a picture. Are you sure? Oh, absolutely, look at that, look at the colors. I don't know, man, that's a draw that's I don't know. What's the caption of the bottom? Say, could you read it on your screen? No, I can't. Is it that low res on yours? It's yeah, it's pretty cooks. Is An old photo. This is supposedly what they have at the they had this at the historical society, supposedly. Yeah, here's another one from way back in the day of this is the former that found it. Yeah, this child before he grew up. Yeah, yeah, see that picture. Look at the line, look at the there's no way, absolutely no way, that this could happen naturally. I will say the cavern thing, like, I mean look at fantastic caverns. There are pillars holding that up like that. Yeah, they don't look anything like that. They didn't subscribe the builds like and not evil pillers. Yeah, they didn't describe the pillars in the article. They just said pillars holding up the cavern and they never mentioned the metal sound again. Like, I don't know what that sound was. Hitting metal was. I think in theory they would have been just a hammer hitting a rock, you know, and they were just excited. I don't know. He is hammer back? I don't know. Actually, you can get it of this. So it's this giant wall and in in the people aren't going to let us tear down their house. is to look for. I think there's a law in your house. Can I? Yeah, I know, there's walls in my house. I built it now, a bunch of walls. Hey, idiot, why don't you? There might be like a society underneath this. So so they in like the you think that half Bushel head cares about your stock prices? Shut up, like let's just dig up your house. But like the S. let me see, until until the S, it was almost like a tourist attraction. You could pay a quarter to go see the wall and they had a big hole you could go down in and be like, Oh, look at this wall. I don't know if it's real or not. We should just go knock ondoors and rock wall Texas back. We're here to see the skull. You know I were here. You know I were here. That's that's another thing that's really interesting, the skull. So in the s all of the excavation sets got buried. Since then there have been a couple people who have gone back and dug a hole to see it, but it's been filled in. There was one guy who I watched the history channel special about this, which was very, very interesting because it here's what was weird to me about this history channel special. It concluded that it was natural in the special. Since when does history channel do anything rational? Like, since when does history channel find something and say Oh, yeah, this is normal, Clus isn't aliens? That history channel would have been like, yeah, this is aliens, but they are like yeah, this is just a natural formation. That's subs very subspect to me that history channel chose the most like not conspiracy, that ser that is our rockwell suspect. But yeah, so the history channel said it was natural. It there's no way. And what they said? What they said? Here's what they said. They said it I can't remember the word they use. It was like a sand lift, I think, is what they called it. So essentially there's a layer of earth and underneath that layer of earth there's a layer of store. was a layer of sand, and there's some tectonic plate shift that push the stand up in between the earth and gave it almost like a pillar to go up in there. And then over millions of years it hardened and took a weird shape and it was a really odd rare natural thing. What's very odd to me about that is I don't understand why it would this. Would like if this, if it if the plates shifted, I don't understand why it would be like erecting a like this. That like made sense. I feel like it would be way more jagged and just kind of like one line to say Lee to me, be like this is the fault line or whatever. Yeah, it wouldn't be. There wouldn't be a yeah, there wouldn't be those hard turns. There wouldn't be it's very it'd be very unusual for a plate shifting to do something like that. But somewhere in the s they just stopped digging. This skull disappeared. They had this school until you hit the skull and it disappeared. No one knows where it is now. Any pictures of it? There are pictures I've seen. I don't know if they are legitimate pictures of the skulled or if it's like it's the oral you know, the Rock Wall Monster, the Rock Walls Skull, the Rock Skull Wall. So this is let me grab this real quick and throw this up here. In theory this is the Rock Wall skull. I don't. I can't let geimize this. Okay, and anyway, I tried to. I'm just asking you to show me the picture already. But this is, in theory, the Rock Wall Skull. So there's a half a Bushel basket next the Rock Wall skull. So if you knew what any of those know what. And then there's a gallon jug next to a normal human skull. This is a little bit bigger. Wow. So, yeah, there's the scale representatis looks like us. Here's your tiny little head. You know that you're the teeth on that skull or straighter than yours, for sure. And then there's my head, yeah, which the teeth on your head are bigger than my eyes. So now that's wild. Yeah, so I don't know if that's legit, but if it is, it's crazy because we don't like normal. History doesn't have anything about this. But yeah, somewhere in these someone of the s the skull disappeared and the wall was buried. All that excavation skull disappeared. Yeah, no one knows what this call is. And Oh, people know and the wall was buried. Coming this spring on our true crime podcast, and then geologists were like, yeah, this is just a natural formation, nothing weird about it, which is crazy to me because here's nothing came to look at. It's buried. So I mean, I'd be hard to you know. I've yeah, I guess she's gotta let it go. Here's what you know. It's far more interesting is a lot of people in rock all like the locals, will say, yeah, my grandpa used to talk about going out to see the wall and they would describe the windows when they saw the wall, like that picture I showed you with them. Yeah, windows, they say. There's curve stones that arched over windows that would be opening and behind it would just be dirt. But they would be like yeah, my my GRANDPA and my grandma used to talk about that. It's bonkers. But now it's like, Oh yeah, there's no windows, that's a wives tail. It's a natural formation. There's no skull. This called them existed and then they just buried long. GRANDPA remembers town putting the skull on his head. They were, course, the gators into the into the cavern, you know, and they would standing over the manhole and be like I'm sure Jing, you know, and that's just some of you remembers doing as a kid. You know, it's just a good time. got of a local town there. Yeah, people would never entered it back then. I know they had a lot of stuff. They was digging holes and scaring third graders. Called it scary skulls Saturday. He's scary skull Saturdays. Here's the thing. It's not natural. I don't believe that. Also the reason why I brought the history sheel thing. I've ever hit that because I brought this chanel thing. Is this guy went and he saw he met with the an Esku, a local excavator. He owns an excavation company. They was the escalator at classic leader and he asked them, he said, he said, can we see this? And he's like, he's like no, there's only that one spot. That's that's exposed. He had already seen it in the episode and he was like. He's like, but I own an excavation company and in the S he was the guy that picture I showed you of that big dug out. He's the guy who doug that. Eventually it actually flooded and then they had to pump it and they buried it again. They just kind of gave up after that flood. But he was like. He's like, I own an excavation company, I'll dig it. If Dick it out, if you want to see it and like come to a conclusion, because this guy in the show is like supposed we did geologist. He was going to decide whether or not it was real or whatever. He was just like Nah, it's okay, Oh, you'll dig, you'll dig the hole. Yeah, good. Yeah, and then the guy watches the interview back, and so what he did was he was just like, you know, would you dig the hole? In the show? US though the wall, and the guy was like yeah, of course, I mean I'd be having I own an excavation company. He's a great quick route for would you cheat on your wife? And then I was like no, and then when you washed it back, you just cut him together, and so it's like when you dig the hole? No, no, of course not. I would never do that. Why would you? Even? I love saw. So he asks him. He's like he's like. He's like we can do that, we can just dig a hole. He's like, don't want to go get like permits or something like. He's like that, what are they gonna do stop me? I've got an excavator. You can do whatever you want. When it really says he says we don't need permits. This is Texas permits. Well, we're going, we don't need permits. No, sir, this is Texas. And also we're pursuing giants. So they just dig a hole and the guy took some samples, like cut the rocks a little bit, and then he was like, yeah, these are natural, these are some shiny nastro their rocks whatever. Oh Wow, I'm mad now. Yeah, so that's a literal cover up. Pretty clearly looks like they're covering something up. I don't know, man, I no, Noi still alive. Yeah, there's still around where they got the sad they actually ate the skull. I may happen died. They won't die. Every morning I just take this goal and I is I breathe in it's life giving powers. And they look great, like they look like their skin is just like, you know, their eyes are blugged out, like they're just say, yeah, I'm still mine. Yeah, I just drink from the skull every morning. Can we see this? No, nobody see. I'm Satan. All right, you can't do that in the middle of an interviewer. Every we've already covered that, you know. You know I can see you anyway. Yeah, so rock while they're covering it up. Yeah, it's covered up quite literally. We've added it to our tilling road trip. Yeah, WE'RE gonna have to go. It's gonna Bring my dad's shovels and saying what have this natural beauty. That's the thing that's crazy. Is like even in that documentary, the guy in the history channels like this is the most amazing natural rock formation I've ever seen my life. Stupid. And here's the thing. Why would they cover it up if it is? Yeah, dig that hole and then let tourist come see it. People travel from all over the world to see things like the grand can, but people in rock stall like yeah, but then the poores would be here, you know they you gotta remember their rich people in their Texas Rah, which is right. It hasn't always been a super rich town. So yeah, back when they were charging the quarter for everyone to come see it, like I don't understand why they would ever stop that. Like, if people are traveling to see this amazing natural formation in like I feel like you capitalize off that. Yeah, this is America. We capitalize off of our natural formations. Yeah, look of the grand can you? Yeah, look about Rushmore. anyways, it's crazy. He's here's the the widest part, while was part of the thing. Go ahead, the wild thing when they got into the cavern. All right, now it was where he dropped the hammer. Yeah, dropped the and then he's like wait, she's here metal. Yeah, is it? I kind of hear, I kind of hear. Don't, don't got don't you know metal music? Oh, like, no, I'm pretty sure it's fiddles. I'm pretty sure that's Oh, I got him confused. It's a fiddle off. Things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. 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Hey, man, the stuff I can hear is really rough. What's up, buddy? How you feeling? I feel great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, last week, you weren't. Last week. Now, last I got tested positive. Uh Huh, despite being VACs I'm double vaxed. Are you boosted? I was going to get boosted this week. See, was my plan. I'm boosted and healthy. Yeah, I'm not. I wasn't. I'm like triple boosted. I'm I kept going to I v and I was just like load me up. I have seventeen dost like so we can't keep doing this. And you were like doing it. I was like, I'm sorry, what? I've never been here before, and they were like we know that's you. They're like you didn't do anything about your physical appearance. You just came to try to do different accents. Why? YAUGHTA WHY? I'll tell you what. Okay, where I'm from? Yeah, we know where you're from, man. We've seen you in here a lot. We've seen it. We know. It's pretty bonkers to me that for two years we know, we've done this whole coronavirus stuff and now you can like do you ever think about life saving medicine? And like no, how? Okay, great, so in like the eighteen, hundreds of people would die of a toothache. Okay, like they've been my two thirds. Right, they die, and now didn't just sold us pull stuff out, and I just think it's crazy that I can go to HIV, a g grocery store, and get the vaccine for this pandemic. Yeah, anyway, that's bonkers to me. Yeah, that's a pretty good point. Yeah, that's just a vaccine and not skim milk. Yeah, anything, but honestly, so you're in a hazmat suit because you had Jaren Jaron's career. He travels a lot, so he cann't afford to get a genuinely can't? I read the test positive. So so I'm doing this for him. And is it reflecting off his mask? His screen, it's perfect. Yeah, so if you're listening, if you're watching, his mask is getting more and more fogged up. Like this is the worst idea we've ever had. Yeah, the audio experience is probably going to be pretty rough for this episode. Yeah, and it's worth of it, because I've gotta be hilarious. I am not gonna get Covid, is what I'm saying. So if you're listening to this and you like this sucks. Well, so do I, because my wants are working properly after this. Well, anyways, roll the titled Sequence Are we need a long time ago. It's so hard to breathe in this thing. Take it off. PODCAST. PODCAST. Where this theory? Who is the Ames from? Cames from? Comes from? Who is they? That's why Tim's house is boring. Jesus built that slide through the doors to get all the trains. Things I learned last night. Oh Great, yeah, you're in the episode. Now. What are you talking about? Oh yeah, have you ever heard of the Tartarian Empire? And something made up? I think it is tartarian. Yeah, yeah, tartarian, Bro I don't know if I can. You gotta hate this. Is it aliens? It's not aliens, but I might as well be like like you are. You are just gonna is it? Okay, let's just the the TATARIAN empire. It's Tartarian Empire. Okay, yeah, you're gonna, you're you're not gonna. Sounds like a work of fiction. Yeah, it does, actually, because it probably is. So here's so, here's the idea. Can't make statement like that. By the way, our valiant thor episode has actually taken over. Comments on the bobbles are. So we had babbles. Are everyone hated us, right, yeah, and then now we have I bought you didn't. I believe Bobos are right. Yeah, valiant Thorne, neither of US did, and I think that's where the comments are worse. They are really the people. So we're gonna get that kind of stuff other people who are really in on the tartarian empire. Yeah, so the Tartarian empires is relatively new theory, from like two thousand and sixteen about, like that's when it's so you can't have anything in the two thousand and sixteen and being like tartarian. Know that's something stupid people in my s believed and you can't come out after social media exists and be like the Taut Hadi and empire, no hard pass. Yeah, that's bear. So basically there's just like three, maybe four layers of the tartarian empire theory. So basically here's the older will do. We'll do kind of the broad overview and then we'll look, we'll go down the layers of the onion for the belief. Okay, it's so hard to breathe in this thing. Take it off. Listen, guys, Tim got too hot and uncomfortable, so now he's going to put me at risk. It's really it's really it was really hard to breathe. And here's the thing. I have to have to talk a lot. I know it was a really fun bit, but it looks like you were suffocating. I was, and the thing was fogging up too much and I was really worried that the last thing I was ever going to see of you is a a payol or outline in a foggy little thing as you just fade away. Just yeah, that I would let you die for this big I would have let you die for this bit. I mean, I I'm glad ultimately you took it off, but like, man, it was a struggle for a minute there. I was like I was like, Oh God, I've got a lot to cover and I can't. But so we were saying that the Tartarian, totarian, tartarian empire. So there's really four layers to this here, and we're going to go through the layers. We're gonna do the layers here really start. Here's a brief idea. So at about two thousand and sixteen, this theory came out that there was this empire that predated our civilization, that has been not predated our civilization. Well, maybe Predator, depending on what layer of the onion you'R at, but but basically it was this really advanced empire that we've buried in history. We don't want anyone to know about it for some reason. Oh, we're it's a cover up. Yeah, it's a cover up. The theory is a cover up. Yeah, and and they're they're for for they're like support for this. Where this theory? Who is the aims from? Cames from? Comes from Tartarian believers, tartarian truthers, I guess. Where do they gather? Read it? Yeah, so you're going to tell me about how theory on Reddit that comes out in two thousand and sixteen? Yeah, because I just want you. Okay, so they there's two things. This because birth from. So there was this community in northern Asia, okay, known in history as either Tartaria or the tartars, which sounds like some things you would call someone to make fun of them. Yeah, like, Hey, it's the tartars. Yeah, but this is like like the Mongolian, like invader, like the hunt like this. How do you how do you think the Mongolians, you know, like the Hun the the Viking, like the you know, Warriors, would have felt knowing that their legacy is the Bini Hanna Grill kind of things, you know, like they showed up in our world, we would be like Ah, yes, from we would just hand him a bowl of raw ingredients and we're like cook those that boys together. Yeah, take those somewhere, take those to that guy. He'll flip them around and make some S. Yeah, and if I ring this Gong, you all got to go. Who Hot, you know? Yeah, I don't know if they would love it, but at the same time it is kind of an empire, probably further spanning than they ever were. So who what? Well, not, who ha, that's a local version. Is Many Hannah, who's not a local, is it? Aren't? who hots the springfield vocal version of Benny Hanna? Really? Yeah, they'll Benny Hannas like a steakhouse, like that's not even what I meant. Benny Hannas like they cook in front of you. Yeah, anyway, but I'm talking Mongolian Grill. So that's a that's a term, right. Who hats the brand. But I'm Ongolian Grill is where you just get your raw ingredients. Yeah, and you go, please, cut these together on your little them up on your little black make a show out of this circle grill. So with the onion on fire, make it a volcano Kano. So the tartars like you can see them in history. There are some examples of like flags, okay, of the this Tartaria group, but it from all traditional history. It's this very fringe group that really kind of like the Vikings, where it's like we've taken them this big group of random the vikings were. Well, now it's the same concert what it's like. There's a bunch of different tribes that go around and invade and like try to Compeli. They are Viking King but they weren't one thing. They weren't one thing. Now it's the same thing with Tartar and history is the Tartarians were this massive group of Mongolian invader type People's that function. They weren't connected to each other that we think of, not in traditional history. Sure, I'll let you out with that. But according to the Tartarian truthers, the tar truthers, yeah, that is the pieces of the we have some history of them, Oka, the Tartaria group and the what we're missing is the glue that holds them together. Yeah, the modern history historians are hiding the truth from us. Oh, that's right. Yeah, sorry, I forgot. There's people in charge who are like gatekeeping information. Yet it always isn't cons barise theories. There's always some. There's always some mystery person. Yeah, who like, just doesn't like. They don't want you to know. I want you to well, they don't want you to know. I mean they're letting you talk about on a ready shoom, so it seems like they're fine with whatever's stupid theories you've got. So there's that side of it. You know what happens to people who actually figure it out? They get murdered. All right. So if you're putting theories out on the line and you're just going out, you know, just alive and you're like the rest of your day is spent playing video games and having your mom make fish sticks, like, you probably don't got it right, probably wrong. It's now if you get murdered, you're going to know for sure. You'll know. Hey, I was right. You better get that up on reddit right before and if you do get murdered, do you know where you'd go tonight? He's do like a Baptist Altar called anyway. Okay, so they took that Tartari history. Yeah, and they try to pay to get in it. But then they also took really to architectural styles, one of called Bose are calm, and then another architecture called Second Empire Architecture style, which actually have some pictures to show you. Please do. Yes, here is this style. So we've seen this. It's pretty common. Basically, it's taking like the domes and the domes so honestly, well, most government buildings kind of look like yeah, yeah, he's that, this is the bows are. Yeah, this is Bos are, this is Boz are, we're that. Right now. This is actually second temple. Bose are is the here's bows are, here's second temple. It's very similar. Okay. The only difference for a second temple or second empire, I keep saying Temple, second empire, is that it's a little bit more for a noxious like yeah, very highly decorated. Yeah, like a little of random, like just kind of Gaudy stuff to be like hey, we're rich. Here's another big example of it. This is the singer building in New York. This was the tallest building in the world in like one thousand nine hundred and seven, or somebody stories. Is it? It was twenty seven. They actually tore the building down in the S my apartment is taller than this thing. No, what's not? I think your house is tallerble, but really cool building. I wish that they left it where they's here now. Well, a couple, a couple reasons, singer. I know why. Yeah, but so, yeah, that's the good trying to cover up the target. Is it really experienced? All right, whatever, but they tore it. The reason they tore down is because singer the like sewing company. This was their headquarters. Hey, I think of saying singular, like the old phone company. I wasn't really know they were involve your yeah, that's they built it nine hundred and five for their headquarters. The problem was they wanted to build this, they wanted it to be the tallest building in the world, and so they built it to be that. And the architect who build it. This was early in tall building history, and so they built it really thin. That twenty pretty thin, so that it was impractical. There wasn't a lot of space. And you every floor. Yes, they outgrew it really quickly. So they moved out every floor, the one office. I think they've got more than one, but it's not many. Every floor is pretty small. And then they so they outgreate pretty quick and they moved out and then the city was like they sold it in the people who sold it were like, Hey, we want to build something else here, and so they just demolished it. That was in the s and they built something in this place. Yeah, but in the S is when the government was doing sketchy stuff. It's true. It's so. So what the tart what istarian believer, tartarian chase solely on this building, will say? Will say you see architecture style like this and then almost immediately after which you can kind of see really I guess you can't, like in that left corner of that brick building on the left. Yeah, immediately after this style was populars this style was popular late eighteen century, pretty much through the whole nineteen century, early twenty century. Sure, immediately after that it became what's the word? I think it's called brutalist, where it's literally just like concrete and windows and doors and no design, like just get this building. That's actually how architects talked in the nineteen hundreds. They're like brick, concrete windows, like. But then we didn't teach architects English. The idea and that Arrow was they were just it was the peak of the industry saying your brain is for nothing, but we didn't want to communicate. We just said your brains for nothing but building buildings, but building buildings, and so we gave him like a little Legos when they were kids. Yeah, and like, instead of teaching them any kind of language, no matter what, we just said building, building, wilding, br those work and then they show up. Can Imagine if, like that's how the society work, is that you just had to like you only need the words for your Joe, your yeah in that would that be weird. PODCAST, audio gust hasn't at microphone. And then what do you do on your podcast? Then it is just podcast, podcast, podcast, I can't say anything. You talk about anything, you've that. Bring someone else on them be like podcast and they go brick, right, podcast, it's for architects. Then they listen to it and they go window. You know this is I'm saying. If we got annihilated. Back to being caveman. This is how we would talk. So I didn't the person who comes up with the word the we make them the king of the world. We just go big building the guy. Guys. It's been so much Alex, those two. Yeah, yeah, but you know who doesn't? Our castry on supporters. Architects Love Them, organized love our podcast. Architects hate him. Architects hate him. PODCASTERS FEOREM. Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, that's right, that's when new episodes drop on Patreon. Patreons a way to get early access to episodes and as their content and exclusive merchandise. And we're not going to stop there, because we had a private discord with our host and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a day. That's right, that's five dollars a month. You two can be a patreon supporter and not here advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore text till in the six, six eighty sixty six. Otherwise I'll come to your house, I will find you, I will destroy everything that's good in your life until we're the only thing left. Anyway, here's another advertisement. Talk about Tartaria. So the Tartarian truthers will say. So this, this is a style symbol. What they say is like, there's no way we went from building beautiful buildings like this to those just concrete blocks. Really, they're like, they don't say there's no way. You don't think that the people building building saw the numbers and we're like yeah, it's probably easier just to make a rectangle. Yeah. Well, so what they say is they say that there was a society before that that was more technological advanced than we were when we started building our blocks. MMM. And so we didn't know how to do that stuff. We didn't know how to make buildings are like immaculate, look like that. Yeah, this, this was outside of our technological abilities. So they believe that the capital and like the government buildings that do look like this, we're built by this advanced society. After Tarians, there are remnants of the tartarian and then something happens in the nineteen hundreds where all of us do get wiped down to caveman and we just go windows bricks. Well, yeah, sort of. So it's more like, because what they say is and is remnants. This, this architectra style was popular when it was a worldwide society, so it got sure everyone. I'm saying that the reason they build buildings the way they do is that they go this would cost three times more to make it pretty. Oh yeah, that's exactly why. But there's then there's other people go, but that means they're hiding something. Yeah, exactly. It's like no, I think it's just means they they're more poor than they're telling you. I mean maybe that's why Tim's house is boring. I don't know. Right when I wish tartarians lived here. Maybe we have some paintings in the wall's house is really nice and I'm positive that it's a round. Absolutely sure he is a four hundred year old vampire. But the Tartarian truthers say, Oh, there are ties are all over the world and this was an ancient empire that has gone extinct, and it's like the pyramids, like these are leftovers from their society that we have repurposed to use as our buildings. Do they think that the founding fathers just, you know, they're like yeah, they're called the founding fathers because they found those buildings. Well, that's the thing is they say like like Washington, like that was a capital city of the society because there's so much of that architecture and wash right. See, and when it's really interesting is they'll talk about and Jefferson City, Missouri, just happened to also also be, also be a capital, a capital city. So anyways. So the idea is that in the early nineteen or the early twenty century, yeah, it teen hundreds. They the people that power. People tried to hide it. Got Rid of the TRITERARIANS. They went on this campaign to destroy evidence of the Sartisians, solely on architects. Like, what are you talking about? I guess like he's the only thing that they're more advanced in is they can make buildings look better and they make pretty buildings. Do they have other theories on what else they'd contributed, or was it just like the government didn't like how pretty these buildings were so they were like, you know what, you're out of here. Well, the government didn't like that society. That society got wiped out from and the opinions reign but pretty much war and then the government was like we need to remove the evidence of them from existence. So the early twenty century, the World Wars was a campaign to blow up all these buildings. That's why they went on all these bombing runs. For the first time in civilized, populated areas, they were destroying, trying to destroy these buildings. That and the world's fairs. Are you familiar with the world's fairs? Basically Epcot, but all over the place. Oh my gosh, so this is a world's fair. This is the Chicago world's fair. I want to say in like no way, the late eighteen hundred, one thousand eight hundred and ninety three, something like that. So he was really interesting about the world's fair is they would pick this giant plot of empty land, so they would build this yeah, every year, or it was like every four or five years, come like the Olympics. It was in a new city somewhere in the world, and then everyone would travel and it'd be similar. The idea for epcot is everybody in the world will come show their biggest achievements. So there'd be art, there'd be technology, there'd be war stuff. The fairest wheel was yeah, everyone does on on Instagram, but your achievements or garbage. Wi they're just like, look at this meal I made, and you're like, dude, that doesn't look anything like what kind I can at all of guard. Yeah, all right, yeah, the yeah, exactly. The Ferris Wheel was actually introduced here and it was this I can't remember how big it was the first one that they did here, but is way bigger than like it's like the like Las Vegas Ferris wheel. Like it was massive. It was the first time I'd ever happened and that was because they opened the Eiffel Tower in America. was like, we need someone to do something cooler, and then some words like the tower, Farris on Ferris peeler was like I got an idea. Hit us with the fairest and then he made the wheel thing. But here's what's crazy about this is, and this is kind of hard to believe, but supposedly these are all temporary structures that they would build for this big event. These are made of like Hay and clay that they just like push together so that way after the fair they could just knock it all over. I guess is I could have made it a look better in the drawing. It could will not a picture. This is a painting. So I mean they really could have. They really could have taken some artistic liberty here. But I will say all the world's fairs, the records, we have them. It's that art style, like that architecture style. Okay, and afterwards, Afterwards Fair, they tear them down. So tartarians believers say that the world's fair where the last big expo and it gave them excuse to be like, Oh, this is all, we just built this and now we're going to tear it down afterwards. It's temporary and so saying. Used to throw a big party and then afterwards tear it down and have no evidence that it was thereness. These were the capital cities. Oh, so tetarians believe that it wasn't like Hay and clay and all the stuff. This was the tittarians. Yeah, and this art pojecture, and then they were like hey, look, we built for the world fare. Yeah, and it's almost like actually, I've seen that thing for like twenty years and the like. Yeah, yeah, cool, like that person who drowns in this little pool out there. Yeah, mysteriously. Yeah. And then and then they tear it down and well, starrows over. Yeah, and then they have the same thing. Happened to come and go in my town, the gas station. You know, it'd been there for a long time and then they came in there like a car mazing days. You know, look at this. There's a ferrost real out there and they just leveled it and they're like yeah, we built that gas station for this and we're like actually, would make this Carmel Better. I guess station a coming. I think you're right. COB and goes are evidence of Tartar. So the architecture. Look at the Ark. The last bit of evidence that they have for this is what they call the mud flood hypothesis. Okay, and so the theory is that there was an ancient mud flood and, depending on what letter on the onion, this mud flood could have happened only a hundred years ago, but it also could have happened thousands of years ago. But the idea is it was this worldwide flood of mud that just kind of buried everything a little bit, like just a few feet. And their evidence is that a lot of these bows are art style architecture style buildings have these features that look like they were partially buried, like it looks like when you look at it, you're like, oh, that was built like the ground levels halfway buried in this shot and there's a lot of these where there and they're actually is a lot of that buildings from that era that has since been dug out and it does look like there's another layer that has been buried, like the first floor was buried, or at least partially buried. Yeah, but that exists down town in Kansas City. Yeah, because, let no, it's just as it's just the street coming down from the river bank. So here's here's they're saying. The building was definitely there first. You know, there's no way they figured out how to make a level building on a crooked street. Is that what they're saying? This is maybe this is maybe a hill. I don't know, this building was they like maybe this isn't the best example because there is that Natural Hill. That's but there are other buildings where it's a flat surface. So there's not on a hill, it's flat and it's just partially buried like this. But the real, the honestly the real like reason for that is when this art style, architectural style, was popular, lighting wasn't a thing and so you need a windows. So there was dug out windows like that have in like a lot of modern houses today. Still there's dugout windows and full windows in there and often dug out doors that you would walked down to get into the cellar. Yeah, to provide natural light. And so obviously the whole and the whole foundation was made of the same constructment. Show. So it looks if you dug it out of the ground, it looks like, Oh man, they buried or this got buried in some mud flood. But it's I mean there is a real, like pretty logical explanation for it. Okay, so which layer we in right now? Walk me through. We each layer believes. So this is the overarching proof for it and what they believe? They believe that there was one, there was a society that existed. Yes, yeah, right, and they build beautiful architects, buildings. HMM, we have no idea if they do anything else. Yeah, and then, and then, and they got wiped out in some mud flood. And the reason for that mud flood is either a natural, random disaster that just naturally happened and bunch of mud covered the planet. I see your eyes excited for the second one, or the second one was a big like nuclear war. Oh, I thought you saying the government controls weather and they sent a mudthlystead of mud flood. So it's like a big nuclear war that they got into the tartars. Okay, so, and that's why and that that side of it is where lots are. The tartars were richer than us and they were. They were more technologically advanced than us, had better architecture than us and they were a one world govern like. They covered the whole planet. It was an empire that God planet and then gotten like a civil war something and killed themselves with a mud flood and then now the powers that be that are left over want to wipe them out from society. So that's kind of like layer one. Everybody who's a tartarian truth is like, yeah, that's the story. Sure, so let's peel back a layer. So the the kind of base layer is this? Is it that Mongolian Empire? Yeah, was way bigger than we thought it was, okay, and it was not like this Viking fringe group that was just going in and was separated all these tribes. It was one organized nation that was a lot, a lot bigger than we had initially believe given them credit for. For this, for this layer, it's less of a worldwide empire but more of a very large empire. So it's not them. It conquered everything, but the talk of the majority of Europe, the majority of Asia, okay, Australia, parts of Africa and parts of the United States. Sure, that's kind of where that one ends. That's the most like, okay, like, if you're going to believe this, okay, then it was just big. It's just a big empire that we've. Well, is this at all related to the idea that the Egyptians building the pyramids were more technic, closer technologically advanced than we were? Yeah, so, so a lot of I was a probably layer two would say that the pyramids where the same. Society was just an early part of that society, Co Pyramids, and then they advanced and that's when we got this arts, this architecture style. But the pyramids were the same. Sure, tartars. So this layer is this was a very technologically world spanning society. That goes that dates back thousands of years. For the previous layer, they ended about when that Han Dynasty ended, okay, and so they've been lost to for a long time. For this layer, it's a little different. It could be anywhere from the they predate our modern civilization. Yeah, all the way to there are people who say that they went right up to one thousand nine hundred and then we wiped them out. Are they still flooded secretly around? They're the secret societies there, the Illuminati? Well, I'm saying, I don't know. That's not I haven't seen anyone who says as that. But but yeah, basically they lasted up until about the end of the the nineteen century and then they disappeared or were destroyed or whatever, and then like worse. Yeah, the World Wars were the campaign to vanish really make them from history. Okay, yeah, but in in that idea it's more than just because, like for that previous layer with the hun dynasty thing, it wasn't as much they were super technologically advance, it was just it was a big Er empire than we thought. This layer is they were really technologically advanced. They had technology on like anything we ever knew. They point to a lot of the stuff, like the world's fair is one that they talked about a lot, and so it point to a lot of things. Within this world's fair architecture, like you can see, like there's all these pillars and is especially on the top of the Dome on that far right side there there's that like a big pole and so and then you can see it and stuff like this. They have all those pillars. So the ideas that they were using these pillars to like broadcast stuff and like, like why areless electricity and things like that, like gray like the end. Here's another one. You've got that big pole and that's send an electricity somewhere. Yeah, are something, I don't know, or something or something. So yeah, so that's that second layer. Was a super technolog to the advanced civilization. The third layer. So have you ever heard that like that theory that like the mental ages didn't exist? What? So there's this there's this fringe theory. This has been around way longer than the Tartaria theory, but there's this fringe theory that the Middle Ages didn't happen. Yeah, I think sense. That's why they're called the Dark Ages because for some reason, and I don't really understand the idea, but for some reason, historians were like it'd be helpful if there is about, I don't know, five or six hundred years here that weren't here. So they just made them up, made them up. Yeah, they just made up, like by just cover up what actually happened. Yeah, to just be like hey, we're way further. I don't know, I don't really understand it, but basically they like the dark ages where nothing really happened in history. Yeah, didn't happen and we just made up those like six hundred years or have our long those years were that there has been around a long time. There's really no reason to believe it other than not a lot happened during that era in history. Okay. And so everyone's like well, they we just made it up. And so this theory kind of takes this to the extreme. So so this is this is what I call like like conspiracy theory meets Bible Code. Oh No, gone wrong. So basically the idea here is that they look at they bring the Bible into the target, obviously theory, and they say they look at all of the Gospel Count and how Jesus talks about how his kingdom is coming soon, and how they take they take the the verse where he says before any of you passed away, the kingdom will come and they take that to believe that well, Jesus died, resurrected ascended into heaven and then was gone for a few years and then came back and established this kingom on earth, which was Tartaria, and his kingdom had this beautiful art style and was a one world, worldwide kingdom that lasted a thousand years. Because revelation talks about the millennial reign of Christ. So they say that that began immediately after and they're saying that's the Middle Ages. And while what they're saying is that all happened and then the Middle Ages, the Dark Ages, is the end of it was the end of the millennial rag of Christ, because in relolation they said the millennial right of Christ ends, the beast is loosened. Key Weavers a lawyer deeper than this. So so they're saying that the dark ages was a result of then. Yeah, so that's when in revelation, when the Millennium Raging of Christ ends after the thousand years. Okay, then it the beast and Satan is loosed from the pit and let to go be around for a while until Jesus comes back and recreates heaven and earth. That's the revelation. Jesus came back after World War II? No, so he hasn't. And so, right, we're still in this like we're in this interim period between the millennial reign of Christ and the final return of Christ. So he's gonna Return again again. Yeah, so what they'll say is really twenty of the Psalms we sing, though. It is not two thousand and twenty two, according to this idea. It's really like twenty two, and there's enough two thousand years that we're just made up, starting at the Dark Ages, and so we just kind of and they, whoever that is, made it up, m just cover up the Satan made the same thing. Is the day Satan is the day in this because Satan was loose from the pit and allowed to have control over the world. There's a layer deeper than this. Is All like you thinking. Okay, so this is still layer three, right, I mean there is a layer four. It's I've maybe it's not deeper than okay, okay, okay. I was like what could mean for insane? I don't know. So Satan is then trying to cover up that Christ reigned for a year, for a thousand thousand years, or I mean, yeah, for a millennia. Yeah, and so that's why he went to the campaigns is architecture. Yeah, that Jesus built that. So the world fairies built this. This is this is what Jesus likes, if Jesus could build a big, big house. So what I'm saying is they go back to the then eat the the New York one, like you know that. Well, year was that build one thousand nine hundred and five. So they're saying that Jesus built that then, yeah, or that he was reigning during this. Well, what they're saying is that this is older the one thousand nine hundred and five. Our records that say this was built nineteen and this was built in like eight hundred. Yeah, and then it's actually like twenty now. So sorry, heard years. Is only about three hundred years old. But then when Jesus left, have some wonky belief to go that direction, but that's okay. Then when Jesus left there was the mud flood, the mud flood, mud flood that buried all the buildings a little bit. Yeah, because this is floor twenty six right there. Let's there are twenty four floors underneath for mud. And they don't even get me started on what happen when the molasses came through that was crazy, forty foot tall wave of molasses to cover up to, because Satan was like we got to cover up all God's Arcult tartarians build some brutalist stuff. Have you heard of tilling podcast March? That's right, we have a merge store full of tilling bread and teas, hoodies, mugs and so much more. We also make new designs for every single episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them while they're hot. Text till into six six eighthndred sixty six to get your tilling March today. So so I'm right there with you. Yeah, I hold on. So they're saying the Middle Ages never happened. They're saying more than the Middle Ages, about a thousand years since. So it's like just we're sorring a medieval right. We're talking like Knights and templar and all. Yeah, well, I mean that, but even like like the dark ages was kind of a subset of the whole Middle Ages where it was like, I mean really, nothing really happened. Everybody just died and got plagued and all that stuff, and they had their own little kingdoms. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I was just sad. It was a rusher that exist. They're saying he they didn't exist. That's why I'm so rough. But then there's a few hundred years on both inings of that. So they feel were made up the Medieval Times. It's just propaganda. Yes, exactly, like they think Satan made that up. They think Satan came and was like we need to come up with sessionally clear that what we're talking about is not medieval the Times. I'm talking Medieval Times. They're experience and restaurant where you get to watch nights joust while you eat a Turkey leg. Yeah, that is propaganda to the Tartana from the devil. That would be so insulting to them if you were like you want to go to medieval times and they were like are you? Are you? Are you kidding? You Right House? Have you seen the architecture? Are you serious? After everything I just told you, you'RE gonna want to go to medieval time. You were going to meet the sure, I'll go to this made up stuff with you. Look at this, all fantasy. Yeah, all right. Yeah. So, so the timeline is about like thirty. So the layers, they don't agree. No, none of that attains. Really agree on all this. Yeah, because everybody's just kind of making up what they they just got ideas that. So the general idea is that there was a society more advanced than us that has existed and then has since then been covered up. Yeah, some people think that it was a government thing, that they were like, we can't, we don't know how to build those things and where we're embarrassed. Yeah, or it's like is like the evidence of like some big war. Sure that. It's like we need to Hushush, whatever happened. Yeah, no one can know what happened here. And then man, and then some of those other people who were like it's the Nevition, the devil did it. Yeah, yeah, and so and that theory. We're gonna covered up by Satan. Yeah, it's Satan's mud flood. What does honestly? Honestly, it's easier for me to buy that a giant flood was started by Satan. A giant flood of MOBA started by say. But here's the thing. That's got to be people who were like, okay, but the Bible talks about a massive flood happening exactly. Yeah, they take that and then run with it. I just don't like this. But yeah, I mean and and and there's like tons of examples of these things, like the giant Mormon Temple in Utah, this is one of them. That's one of those Tartarians as one of the tartarian buildings, that big spiral one down an independence that we have. I don't know about that way. I was startaring for sure. Yeah, look that. You think anybody already could make that? Know in King City Union station would be tartarian building. And one thing that they is let's descend, let's go to the next layer of the onion. So so I don't like the word descend, but that's okay. So this this theory, and maybe this is more par parallel layer, because I don't know, the more I think about if you brought it up, I don't know if any are worse than that Jesus theory. Yeah, are more crazy. That's a pretty bad one. It's also crazy. So basically the idea if you look at this art style, one big piece of this art style is vaulted ceilings. They always have, at the minimum, twelve foot ceilings, often more like twenty thirty foot ceilings. Giants. It was a society of giants and that's why they want to cover it up, because they don't want anyone to know giants existent. Yeah, and so the Tartarians were giants. They were technologly fot so hard to beat the giants. You don't even know what it was like. You don't know what it was like, all right, to be running and then just get shinned and your whole body breaks. All right, we can't let anyone we fought giants. Yeah, you don't know what it was like to be facing the giants. You like that. They hated so again, I also could have biblical ground. yeaple. Would love to take the story of David and be like, well, what about the fool stines, about their ceilings were taller than twelve feet? Yeah, they were talking. So they're saying that at union station. Yeah, the reason why union station so tall is because it was built by giants. Four giants. Yeah, so they can stay at that Grand Hall together and then get on the floor and slide through the doors to get on the trains. Giant halls for normal size trains, and they get at the tracks and they forearm on a car, form on a car and they're just you gotta plank the whole way down the tracks and helped to be super fit. They were very physically fit. Yeah, and they were. Honestly, we could probably walk faster in this train. Can move because because we're giant, because our strides incredible. You know. Also, I'm glad you have a giant dome so I can walk into your building and then stand up in this one this one area in the building. Wow, wow, the echoes great. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you have this twenty seven floor thin building so I can stand in here, can crawling and just that was for ours son until he outgrew it. That was for our side. Another layer deeper is that this is like it's not just like this society existed alongside humanity, it's this society predated humanity, and so humanity rose and was like who built this stuff? And so this probably wasn't even human. This was a race that we don't know about that existed before say the word. It could be alien. Yeah, it could also be, like, it could also be, I mean, who know, more or Reptilian, reptilians. It could be what's called a Nis of NS. It's a call them Tartarians. Tartarians, yeah, or or even like, it could be like Lizard people, the dinosaurs. They could have been intelligent and built these but that that's what the Tartarians are saying. They're this was before community. They build these buildings and somehow they're still standing after thousands of years without anybody up keeping them. But they made it. That's what the buildings are so tall. It's it's the long neck dinosaurs. How they build it a little. De Rex are over they oh that's natly like the whatever those try stops, is that what they're called? With the big flaps? They're the bulldozers. Right. They all have different like jobs, and the meteor buries all their buildings in mud. The munth honestly, might have been dinosaur architecture, Dino Tech, Dino Tech, yeah, or or even just like the neanderthals. Maybe they were more intelligent than we thought and this was their society brick. Maybe he was. I don't know. You don't know. Yeah, no, we know, because it Wae the core, because here's the thing. Like I think we've talked about this. It was the garcoils geologists. They talked about how if humanity disappeared tomorrow, I think they said it's within tenzero years. There would be no record that we ever existed. Everything would just get swallowed by the earth. The only thing that would still be standing that humanity has built would be Mount Rushmore tenzero years from now, without anybody like you sending it maintain without anybody maintaining it, if you Mount Rushmore, and even Mount Rushmore would be heavily decayed because of the rain water and stuff like that. So people would probably think it was a natural formation if they drank. Can you rest here there? You're saying we built that. Are you saying we didn't? So I mean if there was a society that pre so man stone structures would still exist. No, the old the only reason Matt Rushmore still there is could be carved it out of the mountain. Yeah, it's, I'm saying, but not stone structures. Still in structures would collapse, like union station would collapse and get like overgrown plants and just disappear. And you were collaps eventually. Yeah, without anybody, without anybody maintaining that stuff, like the foundation would shift and it would collapse in on itself and then the earth would swallow it whole. But the mountain wouldn't. Well, what happened in thousand years from now is your that mountain would do? It would turn inboard and those presents who just be kissing each other and they what would happen is they would decay and they would look they'd like resemble faces or kissing men, and so then, yeah, so if some if some new human society spawned on Earth, they would see that and they like, they're like that kind of looks like people, but they want to be like, oh, somebody built that. Well, like it kind of looks like people. What do you think about the sleeping giant? Then in Colorado, maybe maybe tenzero years ago, be Tartar, they strapped a guy to the top of the mountain, as punished by arts, and then they forgot about it. He was too high up, so the mud flood took everyone else out. Yep, Yep, but he's just sitting there. What if the heads on Mount Rushmore? We're already there. We don't have any, I like, historical proof those people existed. Here's the thing about the whole tartarian theory is they take a couple things that are like, oh, that's a little weird, and then they just ran with it and made a bunch of stuff up, like there's really no evidence for any of this stuff other than it's just like, oh, that's a little weird. Let me go grab some stuff and make it makes sense. Sure. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's and they're on Reddit. Yeah, they're on red dscom sash. There's a youtube channel Tartarian. Going to mention it because I don't want to support them, but there's a youtube now that has a hundred thousand subscribers that's just these theories and the guy just doesn't gets on a Webcam and just kind of will post in our discords. If you if you support us on Patreon, you could access to our discord and we'll post some tartarian links there and it's it's a thing. So anyways, I'm excited for our hate comments on this episode. Yeah, they're going to be great. You know what was really interesting about the Dark Ages? What is that? So the concept of Medieval Times? Right? Yeah, the restaurant, yes, because they had those in a coliseum. Everyone's just around eating dream and they just have two devils fiddling off in the middle. Things of the last night is a production of space tim media produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett. Video by connerbet social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster JEREMYERS and Tim Stone. 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Okay, so, if you can't see this, there's a lamp that's a Vacu. It's a hoover vacuum with a lamp on the top and where the handle goes. Yeah, they just turned it into a it's a late it's a full size hooper. It's a full okay, so the store behind it is that my aunt betty, who recently passed away, one of the most joyful people in the whole world. She worked for hoover for like, I don't know, a hundred years. I don't she work there for a years? Oh, yeah, anyway. So I don't know if this is a retirement gift or this was just like a thanks for working here. It was. It was definitely like a decades. They were like, Hey, you've worked here for like thirty years. Thanks, here's here's a vacuum that we've turned into a lamp. That you remember when Corporate America was doing that stuff? Yeah, it I mean it's like Christmas vacation where he's like the the jam of the Month Club Club. Yeah, that is the equivalent of that. And I saw it and I said, this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. Yeah, it is. It is the most amazing and now it's part of our set. So happy about it. I'm thrilled. Yeah, similar thing my great aunt. She worked for Phillips for about fifty years, not a very joyful person, and for her retirement gift they gave her a TV. Yeah, yeah, I bet with our logo on it. Yeah, the TV's not on. Yes, not on. This is pretty. We should do that, though. That's pretty funny. We should just make a pretty time logo on to a TV. Well, I don't like the used. You know it. He was wonderful. Yeah, so was aunt. You're made up, aunt. Don't try to Hey, I'm just saying we've got two new great things in the office thanks to great ants. All Right, play that theme song. I hate mathematicians. I killed you to a fielduttle fuel duel. That's a soil Murado avilation into a type one. Why is space buppy Evelyn to day? I wanted to go the brand most life with a spotsor a tornado things night. So what are we learning about? Yeah, Oh, have you ever heard of the Kardashev scale? Say it again, the Kardashev scale. Yeah, isn't that the isn't that? It's kind of like a circus, but it's like the trappies people and they're like doing we they always have weird themes and all that stuff. That's Certisola, sorry to say. Kardaship Cart, Kardash Kardashe has sole Kardashev, kardashev scale, Kardashe of scale, the Kardashev scale, you know. So this is it's a so there's a guy named Nikolai Kardashev. He started a car company. Yeah, Chevy. Yeah, Kardashev, Kurdish. Yeah, now he was. That's actually a TV show on MTV that like we can turn any car into a Chevy and you're like, I mean, I don't know if that's a talent. Kind of like to have my right KARDASCHEF my ride. So the Kardashchev scale. How difficult is it to convert this into a Chevrolet vehicle? Yeah, it's. Well, it's my Handa, my two thousand to civic. Where does it lie on the card to show that's like it's probably like an eight on a Kardishev. You know, because I'm because a lot of her is the harm outom. Yeah, a lot of moving parts. You know, Camaro, it's a chevy already. So zero, zero on the kardashev scale. Yeah, people pull it in the the garage and they're like that's a chevy already. Yeah, pulled in the that's a soul Murado, you know, and they they're like, well, I couldn't tell it's a well, all it fell off was a little Chevy logo. We just put that right back on. Just stick it on. I would give this a point seven on the Kardaschev scale because it does. It didn't have the Chevy logo and that's fair. The narrator on the show is that truck voice in the commercials that's like yeah, the built forward to that guy, but he's just like this Toyota Pretius will soon be the Shiv real a prius. Didn't even change anything about it. That's a Chevy Toyota priest. Now he's don't call this is a chevy. It's a hyphenated it's like when your wife doesn't like you that much so she doesn't want to take your full last name, so she's hyphens yeah. No, so the Kardashev scale. It was introduced by this guy named Nikolai Kardashev. Yep, he was a Soviet astronomer, calm and what he would what he did was he but it was basically like hey, there is a three steps scale to the development of a civilization. And okay, he said that those three steps are based upon the consumption of energy within that civilization. So hold on, do you mean like actual like energy, like fuel, coal, turning into you know, using fuel as energy? Or do you mean like energy? No, like fuel, okay, okay, okay, you meant like vibes. You know. This is a type to vibe. Yeah, yeah, definitely a type to civilization. Yeah, that's another MTV show, but type to know was the the hard to show. Type to was a Tlz show about people with type to diabetes. My life is a type to you know. No, so actual power consumption. Not. Okay, vibes. And basically what the reason he did this was? He said he was trying to theorize, basically the barriers to break to become a multi galactic civilization. Okay, and he realized that energy was the probably the number one issue for these because it takes a lot of power to get to new plant propeller for Thees, well, I mean the to propel the ships forward, to like literally he'll get there. Yeah, yeah, there and then make us civilization have advances in technology require what your is this? He just going off of? Okay, so this feels like a weird scale to go off of. Let's let's let's go through. It'll start to make sense as we get through it. Okay, so it starts type zero. Very good starting. Yeah, the zero. That's where I would like it to start. So zero on. This can be super annoying. Started to start a too. You know, Zo is us. We're a type zero civilization. We are. Yeah, we why? We saw so. The idea here is that I drove here a type zero civilization. I used gasoline in my car. Yes, let me. I fueled myself here Feld by. Yeah, I wandered the gas that I went to the gas I went to the gas station last night, was fueling up and I just sit here. I was like, I'm a little fuel fool, you know, it's so I'm full of fuel, of a fuel thoughts. Some one of the gas station last night called that a fuel duel. You know, I killed you to a fuel duel. Fuel Duel. Yeah, you were just drown those yeah, like it. Well, I mean that's that's against the rules. It's been done, but it's frowned upon. That's a fuel duel foul. Yeah, that's a yeah, it is. It is. You get it so well. I how are we? Type Zero if I drove here? Yeah, so, type zero. What a Type Zero Society is? Is? So type threes don't exist. I've already I've already played out the rest of the scale. Most likely don't. Is this an alien thing? I mean it, are you freaking leading me this? This isn't a man who carbet at the beginning and you were hiding aliens up your sling? Is it? This is this is a human racing, human race thing. This is a human race thing, but it's not. It's not unique, not awful limits to Al Yeah, aliens could also be somewhere on the scale if they existed. But Anyway, so where type zero civilizations? Type Ero civilization? We as a human race. Yes, okay, we have the ability to harness energy and use it for technology to do all sorts of different things. Okay, the problem is we have only consumable energy. So all of our energy, we use it, it's gone. Okay, it's not renewable. We have some of these renewable energy sources that were venturing into and are powering certain things, but our society is not powered by renewables. It's largely powered by consumables. So, okay, at type zero, the evlation into a type one, evelation, that's fine, go ahead. I felt it. Yeah, I felt it. The evelation into I hate that you're trying to say elevation and evolution at the same time. I get what you're doing. I like it. But evlation, the evilation to a type one society, is when you Keeter, say it enough and all you whatever. I'm making it a word. You say a word enough and people understand what you mean. Eventually it. That actually is how words beg yeah, so whatever, all right, evelation. So it evilated Evelyn, evely in today, we could like, we could just quit at any time. I thought of this. I thought we could just stop doing this show. Yeah, we should guess what grows the economy. Okay. So, so type onesivil Isan. The difference they here is now it's at a point mostly renewable. It's totally renewable. Not at a point where not even mostly renewable. No, it's totally renewable because it's ats at a point right now. We're at a point where, if we depleted our resources, our civilization as we know it is over. Yeah, we cannot Wi. People been alarming the bail the guy. Guys were running out of the STUF. You know, we're hey, you know, but we don't care. Yeah, we don't give a car like, Hey, I'm a type zero, you know, it's like it's like the indigram. Yeah, I'm a zero. It's okay, I'm zero. Yeah, yeah, what is that sledge where? I don't care. It's the consumer. I just consume everything. That actually should be a type. It should be. Yeah, just a person who's just awful. So it's a hundred percent renewable. Okay, and this could be a lot of things. Obviously we have a few options that we've started down. Yeah, what are our current renewable resources? Solar, when hydro, and then there's also like atomic and nuclear. Okay, the issue with all of those is they don't provide enough energy at this point to power our civilization. Or like with the issue with nuclear, it's all there's we don't have the we have fusion but not fission. So we have it to where you can take other things put together, but we can't take one thing and split it to get power. We can split it to blow a bunch of people up, but we can't split it to get power. Yeah, so fusion and Fission. Yeah. So we are weird at this point where we're almost like we've got our toes in the water of a type one, but we're not there. We've dipped our toes in the yeah, nuke juice. We're not there yet. The interesting other caveat to these civilizations is it's the side of having the ability to have that power. Kardasheva signs like a wattage number that you're gaining from it to okay, but that's but he's not based these off of things that already exist or have been done. This is a theoretical model for civilization to be able to ascend to the level of being like a galactic civilization. Okay, okay, okay, okay, because of the amount of power it would take. So sure, saying, when we get to this point, we could be a civilization that is colonizing all. When was he? When was he theorizing these things in the s? Okay, but the other side. So he was just high. I mean he was just like he's a yeah, I mean he's the thing. Man Kardish, Kardashev is my name right, and I have this you know scale. You're a zero and you're like, what are you talking about? He's like, nothing is real right now. Nothing it. We're all Zeros. There's there's two sides to this, though. Is there's the side of okay, in each set of the scale you have to have the energy source that you're consuming, okay, but it's not just having that source and you're a civilization existing off that source, is having control of that source. So the other side of this is, not only do we have but that's I'm saying about the solar we don't have control over solar. No. So the the side of the side of to get us to a type one, we would have to have the ability to control essentially the weather, to be able to control wins. They working on their arms. There's conspiracies. Yeah, I know, I yeah, I've seen the conspiracy video. Su Sees that there are. There have been, like there are CCI documents that there's been like research, but I don't know if they've. We are. Here's the thing. I feel like in CIA meetings, you know, they're sitting around, they're like hey, guys, what do we gotta figure out? Right, and someone just goes wet, figure how to control the weather, and then someone's like all, write that down, and then then, and then conspiracy theorists go. Do you know? They've just talked about it. You know, and that's where it's like, I didn't say, here's what actually happens. They're like what, you and I talked about a lot of stuff. They here's what the CIA, the CEI since down there meetings. They said, what's something we should try to do? And they say, I don't know, pull up Info Warscom what I think, yeah, what do they think we're doing? That's actually try that. It would help we had a real TV, if we could watch my TV at home. It's just a screenshot of INFO wars. It's not even like it's a very blurry photo of aalence Jones, just, you know, very blurry. Yeah, because it's mid frame movie. Yeah, I didn't even grab like a solid frame, but anyway, yeah, they pulled, but they go, wow, what do they think we're up to? 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So they said this type one civilization has control over the weather, so they could move clouds out of the way for solar energy, they could create when manipulate the waves. And Yeah, this guy was to total di I have hate vision. I hate that this guy comes up with this and we're like this is a good theory. Yeah, we should like we should like really remember this, we should write this down. So the idea is that this is all the stuff that that crazy guy as starbucks used to say to me. Do you remember that, that guy who told me his moods controlled the weather here, that where he's a yeah, I'm just never a bad day, just light's rain. He's straight up was just like, yeah, it's raining us, I'm just having a bad day. And here you have a bad day because it's raining, and he's like no, it's raining because I'm having a bad day. I was like that's weird, Mike, and he was like well, you should see what's happened to people I get mad at. You. Don't want to see me lose my temper because I've struck people were lightning before that. I told you this stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like that's the guy that was asking my book. Yeah, he did want me to remove he also one time I was this, I was a US snapchat still, you know, and I would take a like a selfie on snapchat. Why were we all doing that? Whatever, and he was in the back of one of them. He came out. He was hey, don't take pictures of me, and I was like, I'm I promise you, man, I'm not. But after that I was, after that, a hunderd. I was nothing but pictures of him. I don't know if I really did do that. A Lot I do. He got banned from that starbucks. That's a yeah, he got bag. He got lifetime band because he lost his heck at that place because they put in real sugar in one of his things instead of like the fake sugar, and he's diabetic, and so he screamed to them like they were trying to kill him. Oh my God, he was like, I just know you guys are trying to get rid of me, and they're like, honestly, we weren't, but now now sure would love you just never showed up again, now that you now, that you put it that way, that guy has a scale. Just as worthy of my time of hearing about is this guy. What are you doing? I didn't know that was gonna happen. Okay, go back to that. What is your background on your computer? It's like some tree. It's like a art, like an I don't know what the art style like. kind of like have to squint, a drawn like scene of like some trees and a river and a sunset, and I don't see that. Do you see that? Well, it's because this something your therapist held up was like what do you see, and you were like, I see like a drawing tree and like a river and stuff. Yeah, okay. Anyway, so I'm saying that this scale sounds stupid, but go ahead. So the idea here is that they can move the clouds and control your renewable resource. You have to AI control that renewable resource to be a type one, type one. Yeah. So that way the controls the important piece, because now it's like, okay, you're not reliant on outside forces, your self reliant. Yeah, but this isn't this all, this is what humanity's been trying to do forever. This's what we're trying to do with a freaking pandemic, is that we're sitting here trying to control something that is beyond our control. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, but the idea is that, I mean the idea here is we would figure out the technology to figure out how to manipulate natural events in our mom I think the earth's going to rebel against that. Honestly, I mean, maybe I have known the Earth to listen to rage against the machine. So I just we don't have to do this. So, so a type one civilization. Yeah, in this model, he kind of what he means to you, as he says, assuming every civilization functions like every human civilization has in history, meaning we are we hoard resources and we want to expand our footprint. Yeah, and takeover as much as we can. A type one civilizations logical next step is to colonize its local solar system and taraform other moons and planets, like we're trying to. That's where there trying to do my own and things like that. Yes, the issue with that is that takes a ton of energy, and so that's why this type one civilization has to exist, because it's going to have to create a ton of energy on Earth to export to these scar where we talked about, like we don't have the infrastructure ability for the metaverse to exist. Yes, yeah, yeah, so this is the this idea is setting laying the rails for us to be able to become a multiplanetary species. Okay, so then a type two is where things start getting I mean if this, if type one wasn't like type two, you're going to hate. So type to this is a situation where they've harnessed the civilization is harnessed figuring things out on their host planet, but as also colonize other planets and figured it out. They've they have the it's the it's the word host planet that I feel like. When you were planning this, you saw the term host planet and you were like, yeah, I'm really going to ruin Jaron's Friday just way. I don't even want to know what tier three is this point. Go ahead. So they've could they've finished doing their host planet? Yeah, so they've. They've figured their host planet out. They have absolutely control over the energy. It's renewable on their host planet and they've replicated the process on at least one other planet in their solar system. Oh Gee, so they've terriformed it. They've created an atmosphere, created plant life and then implemented and renewable energy there and gained control over the renewable energy of the new plant as well. So this is when we do. We figure out earth completely. We know how to change the weather on earth and all them. Yeah, and we've also done this in Mars. We've also yeah, on Mars, literally any other planet, another moon, at least one mother could be multiple. Okay, this is a type to civilization. Okay, a type three is the expansion outside of our solar system into other solar systems within our galaxy. This is going to take a monumental amount of power. You're saying we've figured out our host galaxy. We take it, figured out our whole solar system. We're going to expand within our own galaxy to other star clusters that have sold habital solar systems within our crowd within the Milky Way. To do this is going to take a monumental amount of energy. Yeah, travel those distances and especially to transport that energy those I think that people would kill our planet in that venture. We can get to that, because there's some interesting I think that people would. They would sacrifice all of humanity in the name of expansion. Yeah, there's in the name of evilation. We're just trying to evolve, valve, avow evolved. Yeah, it's fine, evil, evil. Yeah, no, you're finding out right now how dumb your word is. I like this. So ever, leading to three. You have multiple planets. Yeah, you've kind of you really conquered yourself have multiple planets, and you mean that in the way that it sounds. You've got multiple planets, you've conquered your host solar syst so worried about a one world order? You know, two worlds. Okay, here's where you're gonna get mad. Ascending into a type of three civilization is going to require an astronomical amount of power. Yeah, so this civilization that's ascending into type three is going to have to harness the energy of its son and there's actually a theoretical plan for this called the dicen sphere. And so what all want? Sphere? A DICEN sphirits. Yeah, that's a little sphere vacuums that runs around the apartment. Yeah, you just roll it, roll it into the sun as just sucks up the in gee energy and rolls back. Yeah, and then just the guy from those commercials as I was like so poetic. He's like we're capturing the power the DISON cartles. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, that guy. That guy acts like he had he's got the cool fans. He acts like he has figured out how to control the weather. He's just like, isn't this incredible? He does with his fancy says, stick your hand through my fans. It's not chopping your hand up. Where's the air coming from? I don't even know. Honestly, figure it out. I paid. No, we figured this out by accident. Hey, can we? Can you be a favor? Can you not talk about, like, you know, dison fans and stuff in front of my hoover vacuum lamp? Makes it makes the lamp. Yeah, selfconscious. please. My Hoover Vacuum lamp is listening right now. Yeah, have you ever seen a hoover fan? So, I'm a hoover fan. I that's what dyson's fear. Picture a massive ring that just wraps around the sun. I hear it in your voice that you think this is stupid and I like that. There we go, and you like. Picture a massive ring. All right, it's this massive ring that wraps all the way around the sun, and I'm the lad is this a thing we've built? It's a thing we've thought of. No, I'm saying in the scenario, yeah, we built a built a thing that wraps around the sun him. Yeah, so this thing, this solar station, okay, way station is we figured out a way to make something that's radiation through. Okay, what was the standalized job? He was an astronomer. Okay, yeah, and what did he astronomy all day? What did he do? This is what a statters do. They is it about? That's right, sing here thing. I go, HMM, I sure would like to do that, because it sounds like you can just think of anything with zero consequences theory. You know, obviously we can't do this right now, but I'd be like we, we, okay, think of us. Think about this right. Think, what if? What if, we said, a bus that drove people to the sun and they just scooped up some energy and came back. So we don't know. That's how the energy doesn't work in the sun, you know, it's a color back with their jars, its like I got this from the you could check out my quick books and voice for that. Would love to. How are you? I learned to the Sun at all I got was this dumb jar of the sun juice. They have a drink out. They're called Earth Ed and that's weird, you know, just mud. So I'm just saying, how stupid is it that he can busy he is here me like, all right, here's my theory. Guys, we got to build something that wraps a round the sun. Now, I know it sounds absurd, but this is type three, right, actually a decent bit of logic behind it, because he so, he used math to prove all this stuff. And I say, this is a person who my job is also make believe, right, I make up steer, the same job, and then we sit here we do this. This is my job at work right now. Yeah, and I think that this job is stupider. So he did a bunch of math to figure how much energy it would take to do the things that this society would do, to become a galactic society. Okay, figure out the and then he did the math to figure it out the only source of that energy, and then did the math to conceptually figure out is it possible for us to build something like this if our technology got to that point? So it's all rooted at Nath. Yeah, but mass also made up. I mean, mathematicians are probably disagree with you. That's fine, but anyways, so I don't care, so that if I give a crap what mathematicians think of me, freaking professional nerds. I don't care. Oh Yeah, what are you? Where do you go, where do you get a job as a mathematician? Yeah, my we're you going to jobs in astronomer. My iphone does your job every day. Yeah, to plus too, for done. So the this dicense fhere is just it wraps all the way around the sun and it's this big space station facing it, solar panels, and so it's just extracting in a extremely energy at all times because so close, and then it's able to ship that's not catching on fire. No, yeah, so it's they figured out a way to make it like not affected by the radiation. Yeah, affected by the heat. It's crazy. But I will say this feels like my whole Mech class in high school where we just like, you know, we got into our different personality groups and then we just described where our dream wedding would be. And like the people who are like really into fun stuff was again, I'm gonna Skydive in, you know, me and my bride, or just going to lay it at the altar, and it's like, well, how does that all? It will figure it out. Yeah, and then they get married at Vegas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying is, okay, whatever, you get it. Listener, you agree with me? Here's the thing though. Here's the thing with this, though, I think about all the technology we have. It was stupid. It was a stupid idea. When people are like, Oh, one day will do that, it was like, no, we won't. That's dumb. What what do you think was stupid? Literally everything, the Internet, going to the Moon in general, leaving the planet in general, all these ideas flying. Do any of those things? Flank fly, he's in real. I've said this. We didn't go to the moon flying. Is it real? When I got a plane yesterday, all it does is and they throwing some turbulenes. Why? Yeah, zero reason. It's those rides that did. They just got bored. They were like, we should like add some bumps and stuff to this. So people think it's real. Are they? You Go Fu full? Yeah, they are's bumpy. Let's guys bumpy. Everybody is. It makes sense to me at all. We talked about the sky is bumpy and there's nothing we can do about it. Switch lanes. What are you talking about? where? What are my tax dollars going to fix the potholes in the sky? Okay, I saw. I know where a type zero society is, because the air is bumpy and that doesn't make sense. Get the bumps out of my air. So you're saying that just be okay, whatever. Yeah, so all the stuff we've we've done is also stupid to caveman. That makes it someone who hasn't seen it happen. And I mean theoretically, like we could build something that could withstand extreme temperatures and withstand radiation, sure, and extract the energy, like I mean, it wouldn't be easy, but we probably could. Okay, then we have to colonize Mars first. Oh, yeah, I mean that's this is a type we're extending into type three. Three, yeah, we're stepping into three of the final okay. And so then this expands from dycensphere to what's called a Metrio Chaka, the trio shka brain. I don't know why. That's your brain in there. Margharita, Margaritaville, Margaritaville. At the Sun, you'll get real ted here. So we take buses of people right to Jimmy Buffett's Margarita bill on the side wild. Yep, it's five o'clock on the Sun. So the Matrio Matrioshka brain. that. How do you tell time on the sun. You look at the Sun by when the earth sets. Well, where's the Oh, which way is the earth facing? I can't see it's on the other side of the Sun. which way is Mars face? You can't see it. It's on the other side of the side. You can't see anything. If you're that close to the sun, you're blind at that point. Just look at the sun's got sunts. It's okay, okay, okay, okay, the mat they ought by that time they've created sunglasses that work. BEOUT. You get it right. Any problem you have, by that time they figured it out. figure. That's what I hate. All right, whatever, the MATRIOSHCA brain. It's a dicense fhere. Okay, a lot. So there's like a bunch of those rings. Yeah, yeah, and you're just getting so much power from the Sun. I want that camera angle. I don't know if that exists, but just a little. But you know, you get it just so much power. What the heck? Okay, whatever. So is that a type three or is that a type for wow, what's the biggest type? When do you finish? When are you done? So this is this is a extending into the type three. So this is a type two will do this to become a type three. Okay, so the end of a type to civilization, it harnesses the power of its own son, which, remember, control is the other side of this. Yeah, so the this civilization would figure out how to monitor the life of the Sun essentially and be able to manipulate it to event to essentially avoid a SUPERNOVA. So it keeps it from ever killing itself and makes it renewable and is able to like feed it and just keep it all yeah, so it's kind of like a neal pat sons getting too big. You know, got us sit in the fire crew and there is out there hose in it down, just with those sunglasses that they figured out. They're just that loading the fire truck. The yeah, believe you're floating space. Shoot the water, just floating. Just be guys on the ladder. Yeah, why are we wheels on this thing? Why are there wheels of this case? We have to lay it and then he's up there just floating space. And why is space bumpy? How is that? We get artist the power of the sun, but we can't get the bumps out of space. Come on, guys, wait, will we be type three? Oh my gosh, she is the bumps. Yeah, okay, Co Co, Cooqua pave the SPACEPLUX. So have you heard of tilling podcast March? That's right, we have a merged store full of tilling bread and tea's, hoodies, mugs and so much more. We also make new designs for every single episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them while they're hot. Text till into six, six eight hundred sixty six to get your till and March today. Yeah, you figured out how to control the Sun. Yeah, both to keep it alive and not let us go SUPERNOVA and kill everybody. But which type is spaced him living? Because apparently he lives in the future. Well, space is the future, but space time is still in a zero. So, yeah, we can hear by his lack of quality in his well, I dude, he's there's no ways type one with a microphone quality like that. So, but the other side of it is they also have the power, the ability to manipulate relative mass in the Sun, and this helps with powering, but it also helps with, and here's where things get crazy, this okay, with gravitational pulls. So now this civilization has the ability not just to manipulate. It's Sun, but it's all the whole solar system and the routes of the rotation of these planets. So if an asteroid were to come through, they could steer and planet out by controlling the mass distribution of the sun. Crazy, crazy idea. All powered by Alexa. Alexa, Neptune moved up to twenty degrees dom dom Alexa turned to orange. You see that, kids, that's control. Yeah, Alexa. Tell Them Mars a scary story, this voice of God. So I hate this whole thing. So now is the next phase. So this is a sending into a true type three. They've harnessed the power of their host star and they are now traveling into other solar systems within their own galaxy and repeating the process. So, just like they did with planets, they are now doing multiple solar systems throughout the galaxy, which is easier. What you figured out? Your Star? Yeah, other stars, whatever. Yeah, you roll in, take the star, take the start. This is my start. Now what is some what if some other galaxy rolls into our galaxy? That is like this is our stars. Is Our star? Now you're rough. Yeah, it'd be a full out war. So Kardashev said, the next step is to go intergalactic, to leave the Milky Way and to try to repeat the process in a new galaxy, but solar systems and star clusters in this other galaxy. That's going to take in astronomical amount of power. Remember when I said that last time? Yeah, this is even bigger. I assumed I would if they like. Actually, that's going to be a lot easier at that point. So the idea here, Kardashev ended it here and said I don't think it's possible to get past this point. Some people have picked up where he left off. They were like created a type. Yeah, I mean, we've already got some rings. What's that possible? Cardi show. What do you mean? It's not possible to get past this? Well, he didn't know by that time. We have our floating fire trucks and all that. He didn't know of any more powerful force that could be extracted. Okay, now we we know that, at least we believe that most galaxies have a black hole at the center of it, and the theory now for a type for civilization, as it's harnessing the energy of the black hole at the center of the Galaxy. How there's no explanation stressing me. There's a dyce in sphere with a bunch of solar energy power panels and like those in the solar energy isn't working from the black hole. Turn on the black holes lights. So they're hardest the energy of a black hole. The way they're getting the energy. They don't have the slightest idea, they said. These scientists that are coming up with type four say we don't have the site of idea how they would do it. Make it up. But so you differently goes literally make up away. But, but, and the reason for that is because I don't understand black holes enough. But they said, but there's a lot of energy in a black hole, clearly, and so if we could figure out how that energy is, what's coming from and how it's how it's being happening being, then maybe we can harness it and use how it's being happening. We just fear clear out. If we just figure out how it's being happening, then they can evilate to the next thing. Yeah, who's yeah, exactly, holly, him so much smarter than you. Sometimes you ever see somebody and you just go that it would an idiot. What? Yeah, and when you say being happening, I was just like, Golly, I've five I've thought it life. Definitely say this person come to involved. Weave an office together, to show together. You know, I gotta get out before either. I have. Our kids know each other. Okay, so harnessing the power of the back of need that being happening. There's no our kids to be friends ours the black hole. There's no theory of how the heck we're going to do that. Obviously this is the best step of where we want to how would you do it? So my guess? Hmm, I would actually, and I thought about this before, something similar to the dison vacuums, Uh Huh. Send something in there crushed and then figure out a way to get it out. I would even just be like one of those little paddle boards, just gigantic it just before goes in. It's some energy back. You just have a bunch of astronauts the paddle boards at the edge of the black hole. Just, yeah, much power. By that time they won't be astrouts, will be people. By that time they'll be the robots. They'll be the robots will figure all this stuff out. Yeah, robots will figure it out for us. They for us, they'll kill us, will be gone. This is robots take over it. They'll take over and this allows, this gives enough energy to allow intergalactic travel, which will have to include lightspeed at the least. Yeah, to pull it off, and the process will now begin. And Multiple Galaxies for the type for type five. No, partship was done. C He was like this is impossible. What is type five? Someone added a type five to say this society, type five society, figures out how to be multidimensional, if the multi di versus a an actual thing. This society figures out how to go into other universes and colonize that universe and do everything they did in theirs and then harness the energy. This is with people and their desire to be more. You don't talk about like. This is real crazy. This is real, and I'm like, I'm sitting here thinking, like why why would you want? Point is enough? We are consumers. We are so obsessed with bringing in more stuff. Yeah, it's an obsession. It really is. That I know. I'm telling I'm I'm listening to this episode. Yeah, so the idea is you get to that point and you run out of possible consumption. These go first, what if there's another universe and let's figure out how to get there, and we fear how to do that. Yeah, where it's like I can go see me and the other universe and be like hey, we're better than you over here, exactly. I am your Lord. Now, pretty close, pretty close, which coincidentally leads us right into the final theorized type, which has actually been named Type Omega. Oh's become God's Kinda this one, this one's any buses mormonism go that way. That is yeah, yeah, that's fair. Actually, so this one, the idea is now you had all of this stuff, you get your own dimension, you get I get my own universe. It's like, I get it's like people who have those old train sets and stuff, but it's just the you know, your owne little universe, universe. No. So the idea here is they figured out all this stuff, but they've also figured out how to manipulate three things, being space, time and matter. Is the Omega, okay, society and the obviously space in time. We've heard a lot about that, like right, time travel space, like you've been space and can basically teleport. There's no more bumps in space because you're been you're flattening. Yeah, it's great, flat space, flat space, flat space. Theory, smooth space, smooth out this space. But the matter was a really interesting thing. I actually listen to a podcast where guy was talking about this. He said, imagine being in a situation where you have control of the molecules around you. So, say you're trapped underwater. You can manipulate that hto change the hydrogen, all the oxygen, and now you just have a bunch of oxygen and you can now breathe in that system. Yeah, area. And like, you know what makes it possible, astronomy, and you know we're just, we're just a couple math equations away. Well, that's the thing. We do know. Like in a lab we're able to manipulate like matter by adding in different molecules and we understand how molecules work and stuff. So if we could figure out in real time how, outside a last to be able to change stuff, this is what newcules always sucked. That is that there are limits to what we can do. Maybe, all right, or the guy actually continue this this illustration said, or you could just change your own molecular composition to be able to survive off breathing water instead of breathing. Just what are you just which is probably I can breathe there now fills. I don't know how it works. He did it either. Is just theorizing. Oh Yeah, payer drove my car to the river earlier. But Luckily I'm Alec Class Myself, molecularized, moleculized myself and having these sweet gills. Check about these, sweet are you into these? Or I can mileculize myself differently. Get about, I can be whatever you want. Let me change. Yeah, that's the idea this guy. This guy went on to say he's he's like, he's a picture this though, he's like. Or say you're in a situation where you, I don't know, we're out in the middle of the ocean. You can just bunch the molecules together so you can walk on the water. Or say you're at a party and you want to show off at the pool and you're like, I can walk on this too. Were you going to Jesus thing? He say. Why did he said? Say You got a party and there's no wine. He said, just take all the water and just change the MI cler cob. Well, you're saying is good. What this guy was saying is that God as a member of an Omega civilization. That's what he's saying, and the theory continues that if an Omega civilization has ability to manipulate all these different things, space, time, the matter, yeah, and has ability to travel to multidimensions and has that ability to manipulate, theoretically, and I'll make a civilization would be creating new dimensions and universes. So this is almost the Omega to civilization, is a civilization that has a sent to this level and is now in the act of creating universes. That's got, that's where we live it, that's got. So this is so essentially, we've pulled this idea that Kardashev said, hey, it'd be cool if we could go live in space, and they've said here's how we become God. I know. That's what I'm that's what we're saying, is that it's just like humans have, that desire to just more. Yeah, yeah, to make ourselves bigger and greater and expand our reach and how much we have, which is, I don't know, crazy. Yeah, and you can help us expand our reach by supporting us on Patreon help us expand to a type of one podcast. Yeah, so here's the issue. Bunch people will come after the fact saying that getting to a type one civilization is impossible because, okay, every step along this way there's obviously a ton of barriers. The technicolological advancement is one of the biggest. But sure you run the risk at any point in this that your civilization just gets wiped out before it gets there? Oh for sure. Yeah, the interesting thing is the further down the scale you are, the less likely you have to take the first step up the wrong because if you're an Omega civilization, you're in multiple dimensions. You have control over all. This matter is very pretty much anything the other series that people in Omega are sabotaging us from reaching type one. I haven't heard that, but maybe I could see call an act of God. God is trying to keep us from becoming type blood civilization. Maybe I thought. Maybe, I mean maybe what they're saying. What this what the theory goes here is if we're a type zero civilization, we have no control over our host planet, our host O, our host galaxy, other outside galaxies or other outside dimensions. So natural disasters can destroy our civilization in a second, yeah, and end the possibility of US ever getting there. Also, natural disasters can destroy our civilization or set our civilization back. where our civilization isn't destroy but set back severely to where it's not gonna progress. Also, in all of this there are so many different opportunities and people and play who. You know, wars will break out over who gets to be in charge of these things. That's the other big thing is war, especially as this expands, never goes away, right, because the kind of key tenant then mores and the Earth Start Interplanet, Inter innerplant with it, wars, fighting planet or planet out. I kept saying plant, plant, war. Yeah, plant wars. That's the thing, cardish, the main piece of carderships think, is humanity hoards resources, yeah, and always tries to get more. Yeah, and so as long as humanity is doing that, it doesn't matter where you're at on the scale, war is still going to be a thing. And the more resources that are up for grabs, the more power that's up for grabs, the more war will be a thing. Type Zero. With the where we're at, we are on this precipice of having the ability to harness a bunch of energy and so far, the one time we've done this successfully with nuclear power. Instead of using it to power the world, used it to just blow a bunch of people up. And so it does. It does matter a lot who gets this power in the first place to take that step, and theoretically nobody would use it properly, right or in the process to do this outside of the idea, in the process of trying to figure out the energy, you make a mistake and blow everybody up and everybody dies. So there's just an insane amount of barriers. Yeah, to take that first step. How we could if we followed the math. We did the math. Here's the problem. We built the dicense fhere in phase one. We're not even type one DICEN I fear won't fit on earth. You can't build the buildings. You got to build apart and then launch that into space and hope it connects with your other one. No, yeah, they would build it in space. They would. Obviously, yeah, they would. But yeah, so, but that's you know, they'll figure that out. I'll figure it out. So the idea is as you're going but as you're going through each phase, it becomes exponentially easier to move to the next one because once you're in type one, you have control over the earth. So now you don't have to worry about like ice ages or like yellow stone erupting or things like that, because you have control of all that those factors. Now it's just outside factors. And then war that could screw you up. Yeah, and then as you go to the next one, it's okay, now we have plant to control of our our solar system, so we not the word about asteroids or a star going Super Nova. But our galaxies, black hole can still suck us in, another galaxy could glide with us. Or War, war, but as as you continue down this route, yeah, it gets to the point where literally the only possible problem as war, like even for an Omega Society. And accident doesn't matter, honestly, for a I. For we're whatnestly for a type, for a type of three, even a type three, you'd most likely you're not going to have an accident that ruins the entire civilization. You'll probably kill a lot of people, but you're probably not going to destroy your entire civilization. There will be survivors that can carry on, but war will be an ever present threat along this entire scale. And so there's a lot of people who say we would never make it even a type one. But even if we'd made it to type one, I don't think we can make it any further down because of war. Because, yeah, we would kill each other, we would use the power to kill each other to try to get more, because the whole idea of the scale is to get more. So I just love how encouraging these things are sometimes. Well, here's the encouraging side of it. So a bunch of people have said, well, here's the encouraging side of it. We don't have to be stage Omega. Stay doing you can be zero. Zero is because you can be a zero. But we know who is Oma, our God, is a stage Omega civilization. I was with you. Yeah, I was with you. Yeah, now, but for real, though, is that there is a I think that as far as me in my life, I would like to actively fight against the desire for more. Yeah, because you know it will kill you. Yeah, it will, and and even like, like it'll kill your society, but it'll kill you personally. Yeah, now, I do want more things in the eye, I want more things in the bookshelf. I want TV. That's real, but maybe a dison vacuum for that corner, a Dison lamp? Only you, Babe. No, but I'm saying that. You know, there's its stresses me out that there's like a race for just everything, complete and total control. Yeah, yeah, because I feel like every time in my at the micro level, I'm not talking about macro level like world control. I'm saying all the Times that I have tried to take control of my life I have severely messed it up further. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, it's a problem and it's just because I didn't know how to build a sphere. If I would have built my dicens fear better, then I would have had more control. Oh my gosh, that's the thing. People, some people, so some scientists, are saying, well, Hey, if if this is the scale, we should see evidence of these other societies out there that have made it to this level. But we don't. And so there's two sides of that. Some people say, well, yeah, nobody gets out of type zero. Everybody kills each other before we make it the zero, or do they get killed by something else? or it's literally impossible to control earth. Yeah, maybe I mean we're seeing that with we have the most advanced technology that we've ever known to exist and a pandemic is bringing us to our knees. Yeah, you know, and I think this is not the last one that's going to happen. Yeah, this is absolutely true, absolutely true, and so that's what I'm saying, is like, yeah, so it could. It could just be impossible, but the to kind of prevailing sides of the argument are it's never happened because of war, yeah, or because of other natural disasters, for accid instead of killed the society before I had the chance. Would it be great if we can figure out how to control tornado? Sure, will we? Well, but that comes a weapon war. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing and that's the point that's always made, is we send it more truth, as we learn more control black holes. It's just send a black hole to him. Let's just send the tornado with our name on it. It's got the logo. Yeah, yeah, sponsored, sponsored by HIV. You know, grosser Storre's gonna go like mob stirt. Is that a high? I didn't want to go. I didn't want to go like big brands. I wanted to go the brand most likely to sponsor a tornado. I will sponsor that torn it up. Yeah, yeah, just put our Qr Code on it. Sponsored by Dave Ramsey. Co Solution. Here's a solution. So the other side of the argument is that, well, if a society did ascend to one of these levels, it has control over its natural resource. Yeah, so it would look like natural events when they were controlling stuff. Yeah, we want to know, because it looks natural from afar unless they showed up in our in our endemic. I see where you're going. The only way we know is if they showed up and they started building a dicense fhear, like if we looked at the sun and we saw a streak of fire trucks driving across it. That seems Huh, seems like a type three going on up there. Well, the time, maybe a type to getting two three. Yeah, but I mean, I don't know. What do I know? Yeah, and that's the other side of it. So something I don't even know what's being happening right now as a perfect, perfect transition, because some people say, well, if there are societies better out there, they're doing that, even if we can't detect it, because they are so good doing things. Naturally, they got all their herbs and stuff. Yeah, they're, they're they're sitting US Tornados. What you're saying? Yeah, even if we don't know. No, what they're saying is they wouldn't care. What she probably heard the argument where it's like, I mean, when they're at the level where they're harnessing the energy of suns or black holes, why do they care about us? Be Many people on Earth. They come to us, they see us building stuff, just like we look at answer. We like all look at their both a cute little hill. Yeah, and but you know, some people stand over there building a hill with a magnifying glass and look at them build a little hill. Yeah, pray them with those. The firefighters are out there like say, look at this stray, those guys on earth. Yeah, gotta. And then there's people who argue, well, are you spraying it because Mike is mad at starbucks today? No, I think he's mad because I'm spraying them. I can hear him, though he's pretty ticks. It's because, yeah, he hears me too. So, but then the other other side of the argument that's come up, and this is the last one, because we can just go forever. But the other side, that's come up as well. You can't see the other side. That implies two sides. You have to say another thing. No, there is this because because people are like, well, how I haven't we heard anything. While some people say if we heard anythink well, some people will say, well, we have, and that's the Omega civilization, the creators all Zation. Yeah, we have. It's called the old test, called God. Yeah, it's a the creator civilization, who created our whole universe. Yes, who took dust and change the molecular composition of it and said this is now human. And everyone said they look dumb, they got weird things hang off of them. It's arms, those are arms, legs. Cool, I thought you'd liked ears, Gaybrie. Oh, don't like that. Last time, last universe Gabriel, you said it'd be helpful of the cold crab stuff, so I gave him arms. Yeah, but I don't know, maybe we could try again later. Let's see how some plays out. The type zero times. Ye. So, yeah, so the chances of us, I mean there are some who say like in the next forty to two hundred years we could ascend. Hey, I hate astronomers. I hate mathematicians. I hate scientists. That's such a fat window. You know, at the next forty two, two hundred years probably possible. For in the next like forty, like just round it up safe honestly. So the next you know, forty seven to two hundred thirteen years, I would say, because we definitely, if you say far enough, no one can. We definitely have one foot over the line where it's like we we're dabbling with renewables. Okay, see, I apparently is trying to control the weather. They've talked about it, they've talked about we've talked about it. Things are the last I podcast is apparently tried to control the weather. Yep, that's what Tillon stands for. Time, time, endurance with it, I I. Yeah, because we're stupid. Yeah, we have YEP, learning. Okay's start over here we go. Okay, okay, here's what till what actually stands for terrestrial terrestrial integrity, licensing loops network. We started a terrestrial's like, oh, I can see other build integrity. Well, terrestrial integrity is important. You can't build a you can't, and we license it, so you're allowed to either. The loop is just what we called the Ring Yep. Maybe. Yep, YEP, because tiler didn't work. It didn't know and the network is we got to work together to make it happen. Yeah, we need a lot of a lot of people in on this. Yep. Yeah, gotta expand my linkedin groups so that way we can control the weather. What do we call the dyson? What is it? Dyson wood, the disons fear, disonse fear. Yeah, so this Dyson sphears two on the KARDA CHEV's scale. Brand New Chevy diceon you're looking at the all new Chevy dyson's sphere. Look about the all new Chevy toiler, to Tyson, the y'all new Chevy Tweo, a dyson sphere, Omega twenty coming, coming in two thousand and sixty two or two thousand and twenty two one. It's just a matter of time. End Space. It a matter of time. It's just a matter I see, I get it, I get it, I get it. Wow, hi, that was a stage three joker act. I tell you what type three. I don't know what we're calling it. Type Three. So yeah, these are the that's the kardashev scale. I think it's interesting. I could see it. I could see it. I think it's yeah, but you can see anything. Likely. No, Picture Justin Bieber riding on top of Air Force One, not in Air Force One, on top of Air Force One. Your brain a fan. Your brain can create that image. Big Fan of that. Think about it like riding it like a horse. Yeah, on Air Force One. Oh, does he have a saddle? Yep, and it's purple and you can picture that. So that's what I'm saying. that. So, if that's the standard, I could see it. Yeah, I'm saying that's a bad standard. Well, what I'm saying is that's more because that I could see, I could visualize. Yes, I couldn't see it happening. Okay, this I can visualize, but I also can see a possible road. It's a long road and there's a bumpy barriers. Yeah, it's turbut that's a long, turbulent road. But I think, I think of humanity existed long enough, given our track record, we would try. Yeah, I agree, and I think if we had enough time and we made the necessary technical, technological developments, why not? That's true. So, but I also think it's very unlikely that we get there because we'll kill each other first, as we end here, I would like to show something. Alex, can you hand me the case? Where is the it was on that desk right, because this is something that we have in our possession. That is a zero on the KARDASHEF scale. Yes, we very, very difficult to turn into a cheval vehicle. Yeah, but we well, we we've ascended it to the type Omega. Right, it has crossed the barriers. It is now. Well, we got to reasons a type zero. So now it's an Omega One and it will be an Omega too, as we're ending here. This is gonna be hanging up by the next episode. If you're listening, you should start watching. Yeah, this is the fiddle that I got for Tim at our live show and downstairs the shop put our low. They laser engraved our logo into a harness the energy of the sun and a on the dyson's sphere. Yeah, put our logo use the sun's power. He was out there with a Mac yeah, just took a long time. That's why we really appreciate it. So thank you, nick for doing that. Yeah, shout out to neck. What's on the back? Oh, that is that's a little devil and a fiddle because they was fiddle enough. Fiddle all things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connerbet. Social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. 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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of six Toe Rodrigres Rod regress? Six Toe Rod regress Rodriguez? I know I was saying a wrong way. You did six toe Rodriguez, six tone rodrigueys. Okay, is six toe a name or is it like a nickname? Look, they got six to so, so it's just six toe. So I watched two separate interviews with people asking him about his name and he said in one of them he said, I don't know, my mom picked it. Yeah, and the other one he said it's because I'm the sixth kid. Oh, all R, another of those words. It's excitings. I thought so, but he, I mean he is the uncle is spike kids, right, is that? Is that who we're talking about? I think that means you're getting waterboard. Is Bro and Jesus what? I got his money this whole time. What did they go to? Australia? not, ma'am, he's dead. Wait a minute, dead. Yeah, come on, you're getting screwed here. Everybody has a grossest thing about them things. Last night he say that because you shot the picture and he does look a lot like he doesn't like did see the picture on accident? Does he does look a lot like the uncle from Spidet. I accidentally saw the picture, but no, he was not in he is not that actor, nor is he an actor at all. The six Rodriguez here's here's something interesting. His his a. What do you call this wikipedia page on his occupation? He is the only person on wikipedia that has an occupation that includes demolition worker and excavation worker. Right. No, you think he's the only person? Yeah, I think there's no, no one else. You think how to Webb for age? No, I don't know how you would confirmed that. Look at every personal page on people and don't make definitive statements like the person. No, because mine says that. Here's the thing. I was talked to have a wikipedia page. Now you know, I'm not going to tell you is I'm gonna go and I was like. I was like, you know what, I'm just might be the first person who got waterboarded and is still on speaking terms of the person who water boards them. And he was like, sick things. I didn't get water board he straight up was like now you're not okay. So you talked to him about getting waterboarded. Then I did talk to me. Have someone in our building, who is military? Yeah, we can't know his name. I said his name. BLEEP it out. Who knows how to water board? Yeah, yeah, and I think that means you're getting waterboarded, Bro. anyways, so six toh, he's his occupation is a list and says list is singer, songwriter, guitarist, poet, excavation worker, demolition worker. Those are his occupies. So he's an uncle from sprike. He's a Jack of vulture. It's okay. So here's the story. This is a crazy story. So the guy he listen Detroit Michigan kind of came up in Detroit Michigan is from our resently from Mexico. His family moves, moved away and then he moved to Detroit and while he was there he was a local musician, played the bar scene, run a lot of songs. This is this is a long time ago. This is in Detroit. Yeah, so this is in the his born in forty two. So he's in Detroit in the S. okay, and so he is a very young guy coming up in the bar scene, writing songs, playing and shows and he gets discovered. Discovered, well, I mean some local who is looking for people who know. I thought you were going to be like. So I think you're like straight up be like. Well, you know, Walt Disney was just happy to be in Detroit, you know, looking for his epcot land, and goes into a local bar because he had a drinking problem. MMM, and then just heard what is this sweet music? What is this melody? And let's when is that man has six toes because he plays barefoot. He plays like where you can see his sixth I hate when warship leaders would lead barefoot. I still closer to God. Why it was? It's holy ground. Take off your shoes, because that what they do it. Yeah, yeah, they're trying to be like most makes sense. I guess. No, it doesn't. There's a justification for your college had to make a rule that you had to wear some kind of shoes in the cafeteria because one person, who I'm pretty sure listens to our podcast, he know you, know who you are, you know who you are, would walk in and just into the cafeteria. He just walk the whole campus barefoot. Yeah, he I don't think he wash. She's like two years. I don't think you did either. Yeah, what's it? I mean, honestly, goes to you like that's impressive. I'm impressed, is it? I like him a lot. Yeah, I guess, a really fun guy, Hey guy, but that's the grossest thing about him and I love him and I would say that everybody has a grossest thing about that. The grossers think about you is what I don't know. You have to tell me that pimple on your nose? Yeah, I got a pretty fix it up my nose today. Thanks for pointing it out. Apreciate yeah, the gross thing about you is that you still have an iphone eight. Why would I up grade? It works. It does. It works, it's paint. Flip through the cameras were quicker and show it's it's paid off. If you're watching this, can you just guess which one is his? It works, it's paid off. Why would I have Craig, I'm going to edit this. I'm not giving into apples schemes. I'm going to edit this. I'm going to make your angle just upside down. Horrible, Gosh, sitting is so he gets discovered by a guy who works for a pretty nature record label. Hey, and the guys like, Hey, we want to sign you. Yeah, it's called Sussex records. It's out of business now. But it was an offshoot of Buddha records, which was fairly large record label. Some pretty pretty artists. An artist, none that I had heard of, but I according to the big recording big. I mean I'd know, I'd horrible, but I mean it was sixty years ago. I think about this. Cling to them and I was just looking at like like tick tock. Today I stumbled across on account that eight million followers. Yeah, and I was just like, I've never seen you before my entire life. Well, here's here's what I realize. I was watching the other two yesterday. Unless see a car came on and I was like, I've no idea who this is, no idea, no idea. This is how I know I'm an old person now. Yeah, I was an old person. I'm saying there's so much. There are twitch streamers. You have millions of fans and are making an insane amount of money. Yeah, and we don't know about them at all. Think here's an interesting question. Do you think that, with the Internet and really tick Tock and twitch and those kind of platforms, where past the point of household names? No, I still think we have household names. Yeah, because I think there's a different level of celebrity. Yeah, I guess, you know, I guess you can have there will always be a Kim Kardashian. There will always be. I'm serious, though you don't think you're right. There will always be. Even if I don't listen to Kanye, I know who Kanye is. That's fact, you know, that's right. There will always be that level of celebrity, super level superstars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that it is shifting, but what's interesting to me too, is that you are able to create a pocket, you know, in a way that I don't think we've seen before. True, could have a couple million like devoted fans. Yes, yeah, yeah, and that was the fear of the Internet, was that it was going to create like this one world thing where it was just be like, here's this government and here's these, these are your now international celebrities in this is it kind of thing. But when it up happening was it is created a bunch of, you know, fractions of this person has eight million followers and makes a killer living doing this. Yeah, and I've never I and you know I'll I still will never see any other content. HMM. Yeah, that's fair. That is fair. So that wasn't the case with was six town. He put out two records with this record label, one in seventy and seventy, one originally under the name Rod Space Reguez. Oh, was he hated the label ways that decision. Yeah, they're like, we don't like your name. Yeah, it was like yeah, okay, and they let him switch it back to Rodriguez after the putting out a single. That didn't do well, and so then he put out an album called fact in nineteen seventy and then another album coming from reality in nine seventy one. Do we know any of his songs? Yeah, which we can talk about that. Well, hmmm, maybe, I mean kind of. So they didn't sell well at all. Then do good. And so he was quickly dropped from the label and then he bummer. He kept playing like local shows. I will also say this about the Internet, is that there is more power in the artist's hands now, because then he gets d off from the label, What does he do? He just goes back to playing boshes. Right, yeah, you just go you maybe try to get a local radio stations help. Yeah, like, what do you you? There's there is a gatekeeper. You have to go through that's you're going to be on the radio. You got to get now. and honestly, what sucks now to though, is that you could be so talented, you can have you can build all the streams on social media and all that, but now what a record label wants is for you to have a viral hit on tick tock. Yep. So you can get a viral hit on Tick Tock, get a record deal, or you can do this other way. Get a bunch of streams, build a huge fan base, be touring already, but you don't have the viral tick Tock. The record label want to touch it them. You know, yeah, right, all right, but either you don't need the record label anymore, though you're already tore your to do with stuff. The record label only picks up people that they don't have to put the work into. Now. Yes, well, before they would go out and actively search for people of talent. Same thing with the talent agency that once you know, Reagan to do commercials and once in they were they were like hey, can we signed jere into? But they won't talk to me, they haven't emailed me. They want to like and and they're just like they wouldn't add anything to what I'm doing. Yeuh, yea. Anyway, that's pretty fair. I I'm already getting hands. You listen this episode right now. There's probably a pretty little add. I'm already getting commercials. Baby, cut to the AD break. We'll see if it hits. Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, that's right, that's when new episodes drop on Patreon. Patreons a way to get early access to episodes and as their content and exclusive merchandise. And we're not going to stop there, because we had a private discord with our host and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a date. That's right, that's five a month. You two can be a patreon supporter and not here advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore text till in the six six eighty sixty six. Otherwise I'll come to your house, I will find you, I will destroy everything that's good in your life until we're the only thing left. Anyway, here's another advertisement. Listen to that. See, take that, talent, Scout. Take that. I don't need your celebrity. So I got magic spool cereal. So he goes back. So this he gets cut pretty much right. Have the RECO came out and seventy one, his second record. No one bought this. Yeah, like, people don't like you. So he went to not out there. You have a lot of fans, it's just people don't like you. Here here at the record label, there's a lot of people who don't. So he kept playing music for about five years, releasing singles on like small independent labels and stuff like that, but it didn't really go anywhere. Never really took off. Since seventy six he kind of gave gave up on his music career and he bought a house in Detroit at a government auction for fifty bucks in a not great neighborhood, but fifty house. Did a little bit of workty dollars. Yeah, yeah, did a little bit bit of work to renovate it. And what year? Seventy six. That's still obscene leaf cheap, obscenely cheap. That's not like an inflation number. Yeah, I mean it's like at this that is it would have cost him two hundred and twenty seven dollars today. That's the inclusion. Yeah, that's the inflation of him out. So that's he thought it at us. This was not a lead cheese is not a house. We bought a front porch. I mean it were a house used to be. I mean the way wikipedia describes it as a derelict Detroit House. So it's not in great shape. Okay, he did a lot of work to renovate it, though, and then he became a day labor literally his life after this was he would he was one of those guys who would go hang out at different stores around town, Beck, you need any work done, and then he would go do some demo word for you or pick up trash around your yard, like you. Literally would just find people and say hey, you knowed anything done? n't have a job, like he was just a day laborer. So very much lived in kind of poverty right. Well, in the early s something happened, and it's not really clear how it happened, but somehow he he went like viral in Australia. And so, okay, one of his songs just took off. Yeah, and people in Australia loved it. So some local Australian record label found Buddha, the company that owned the company he releases records on, and they really purchase the Australian rights to the record. Oh, and so they started selling the record in Australian it went platinum. You know, Australia, Australia. That's honestly a dream of mine. I was I really hope that our show is just insanely popular in Australia. So they end up, they end up tracking them down and then the early s he does two tours in Australia, like massive, like theater tour, sold out tours, big theater tour making money. Yeah, worse. Yeah, big tours, goes out and does those twice. That's you know, that's where owl city does really. You know, owl city still tours like in Asian countries. You know, it's really funny. said that. There's a music commentator that I watched some of his videos. He sorry, shaking his head. Do you show me for this guy's videos this week? Anyway, he mentioned into the other day in a video. He was like, he's like, it's like here's the thing. He's like, he's like you find any of these bad artists from ten years ago? They are doing huge tours in Europe and as right now. Yep, and he was like, he's like here's the thing and he's he's like this isn't like a mean thing at all. And he's like those countries just have lower standards for music. Oh my gosh, no, he's he's like here's the thing. He's like they like anything. He's like, if it's he's like, they're just like, oh, yeah, we like that, that's cool, we'll go to the show. Yeah, in the US we'll hate everything. We're just a little stiff, you know. He's and so he was more he was more port than the finger out as being like where jerks. God, were like, Oh, it's all. I'm not others to that anymore. I know what that's what. So that's what's crazy about ow wil city is that he lives in in a small town in Minnesota. HMM, the town I've been to like three times this year to do shows. H He lives there. Yeah, in this smaller than Mount Vernon town. Yeah, and tours, those just these massive, crazy tours. Interesting, that's crazy. Concurs. That's Naze. So six toe, so six to see indust really to the assid tours in Australia. They indust really exist in the EIES. How long has really been there? When did they build Australia? So he does a couple tours. Yeah, starts getting some some royalties from it, but it's kind of like he's getting kind of robbed. He makes some money from the tours, though. Yeah, he makes some money from the tours. He's getting some royalties from the record sales, but it's not what he should be getting. Split is he's getting robbed. Yeah, the thing is he continues to live a very humble lift style. He goes back from Australia and he continues working as a day labor. He's like, I is that his five hundred dollars. That's ten houses. Becomes a squatting mogul, right, he's just buy all these government auction homes for fifty bucks. Yeah. Well, now he gives all the money away. He's like the government's like, this one's on fire right now. Fitted are fifty bucks. So now he just goes and starts giving all his money to friends of family when he comes back from these tours. And then he just goes and goes back to to building stuff for random people. Okay. And so I does his Australia tours and then it just kind of goes quiet. So it's like eighty two. It was his last Australian tour, and then it's like yeah, he's done with music forever. Okay. Well, meanwhile, in the mid S, just about right after his record comes out, somebody in South Africa discovers him and same thing. He's been eating step in South Africa. Something the same thing happens. He goes viral and in South Africa and it gets the point where music like Aficionados in South Africa say he was bigger than Elvis in South Africa. South Africa like multi platinum and so selling all these records. But there was he became almost this mythic figure. Who was who owned the rights to those things? In South Africa it was a similar scenario where someone bought the local rights. Okay, it from the previous record label, which will get to that in a second, because that one's a little bit more froudy, okay, but he blows up, but it becomes like this mythic figure in South Africa. Sure, and so there's there's the legend. The legend goes that somebody in South Africa was dating a girl from the US because he was away on college, or Uni as they would say, and so he comes back from some time in the states and that girl he was dating had one of his records and so he brings it back home. That's how he loved it, and then everybody started making copies. Eventually a local label found it, got the rights and started printing it and distributing it and he just became massive in South Africa. But they knew, well at least they heard, that he wasn't playing shows anywhere anymore. Yeah, what years? This mid S, so pretty much right after they came out, seventy eight before is Australia tour. HMM, before those, even before he blows up in Australia. So somethin. Sure, it blew up in South Africa and they took it to Australia and that's why here. But that, that train is hard to pinpoint. Sure. But so hey, there's becomes this like legend of well, he's got to be dead because he doesn't play shows anymore, and so he's like this national icon, but they're convinced he's doesn't exist, like he's not alive. Yeah, and so the storyline, at least for South Africa, was that he didn't get the reconuisie nation he deserved in the US and one night he was playing a show in Detroit and there was all these technical issues. Are some sound problems. One of the guys in his band was missing some notes, like it was just one thing after another not going right and he was already really frustrated with how his records were performing. And finally, at some point in the night the crowd just starts to boo because it was going so bad. And it's like a fifty person show, like there's not a lot of people. There were gods booing him. This is the legend. Yeah, this is the legend. And so then, as the legend goes six to finish the song and he said this is my last performance and he shoots himself on stage. Oh my God, what everybody in South Africa like honestly believes, like that's what happened, like yeah, this guy did that on stage. Yeah, and so that was the story. Like they just everybody just always believed that that's what happened, except for our two reporters in like local reporters. For some reason. We're just like, I don't think that's true, there's no way that's real. Yeah, they're like there's no way. And so they spent twenty years trying to track this guy down, and so they literally and they literally had nothing. They just had a songs, like they had no info about him, like he wasn't doing any large enough tours that they were hearing about it in South Africa. There was like no news that fact that they couldn't find anything about it. This is pretty Internet. Yeah, so all they had were the lyrics to his songs, and so they were looking through the lyrics of the song is trying to track this guy down. They even know he's from Detroit. Oh those who like the little luckily, the lyrics one of the songs was just bought me fifty home in the Troit went on tour in Australia, bought another home in Detroit and they're like, I beaty is in Detroit and Detroit tell what was confusing is the actually had a song. He had a song way references, I think it was Florida, and so they thought he lived in Florida for a long time. He had another song where he referenced the tallest building in the states. So I thought maybe he lived in New York for a little bit, that the tallest building in the states is the David busters down the Road Kansas Right. It's use you've seen them before. The giant David's. That's big. David Busters Empire State Building, busters serve. That was the biggest building block states. That's hilarious. We should do that. The world's largest David Busters. Also the low tar tallest tower in the world, tallast tower in the world, David Buster, Daven busters. Man, if we were rich, golly, that'd be so funny. Oh Gosh. anyways, so now white guys bill so tall power. It's really about the power for us. It's really about the fact that it's just really funny. Not Musters. Say it out loud. Say the tallest building in the world is he David Busters. Say That's untillowed yourself and don't giggle. Yeah, how about that? It's that you giggled. That's why we did it. That's objectively, Holliday Arus, all right, and I know that you, maybe you know, don't have the same sense of humor whatever, but I think we could all agree. But that's funny. Oh my gosh, that's so good. So these guys spend twenty one years trying to hire into the s. They here about the Australia tours. HMM. They hear about the east other tours, and so they spent all these years looking for him, trying to check this guy down. Eventually one of the guys, one of these reporters, ends up finding his old manager and calls his manager and the managers like yeah, I know, I don't know Rodriguez. Oh, I thought it was really I don't remember him at all. Or we had like two records with him whatever. Yeah, and so he's asking him all these questions about his music, about his influence, about like where he live, all stuff, all six tour yeah, and then he says, Hey, how did he die? And he was like, oh, he's not dead, and the guy was like what? He's like, he's like no, he's alive. He's like, want me to give them your number, and he was like yeah, yes, and so later that night, middle of the night, this guy wakes up to a phone call. Santa the phone or reporter Wasats up the phone call. I answer this phone no of the night, and he's like hello, and he here's on the other side the phone six to say hello. He recognizes a voice because it listen to it so much, and he was like six toe and he was like yeah, he's like, he's like I hear you like my music. And so he had this long conversation with him and basically was like you are a household name in South Africa, and six to like thinks it's a joke. He's it's got to be chunked. Yeah, finally this guy convinces six to that it's true and says just come out to South Africa, like will fly you out here just so you can like meet the people. Yeah, we play a show or something. So they plan a six in one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight. They fly them out there. They plan a six stop tour around South Africa, stopping in some of the biggest cities in South Africa. And this is an arena tour and every stop is sold out. Thirty, fortyzero people coming out to see him, and there's videos of him coming on to the stage and it is literal minutes, five, six, seven minutes of applause before he can start playing, because he is literally a legend. How bonkers would that be? Literally, the day before he came out, he's picking up trash in Detroit for like thirty bucks and then he goes and does an arena tour in South Africa. How much money did you make from those I don't know exactly how much bonkers a bonker's amount of mutter. Have you heard of tilling podcast March? That's right, we have a merge store full of tilling bread and teas, hoodies, mugs and so much more. We also make new designs for every single episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them while they're hot. Text till into six, six, eight sixty six to get your till in March today. So he he does this tour and what's crazy is like he has a security detail ill with him at all times. He is staying in presidential sweets at hotels. His family came with him. He has a couple daughters and his his daughter said, like he's always been just a super like humble guy, which, yeah, he lives in a fifty house. Well, he's the thing, like he goes to these hotels and he's like, actually, is there a motel six we could stay at? Y'All have those here. So he like, and I this is a little like change it to motel six toe if you want. So he goes and he's in the presidential sweets king bed, but his daughter said he was sleeping on the couch in the sweet because he didn't want a made to have to make the bed after all. Like this is a kind of guy he has and he literally all the prophets he made from this tour he gave away to friends and family, like literally just didn't keep any of it. He's okay, yeah, and then does this arena tour. Look at me in the eyes if this happened to me where I'm doing theaters and arenas. Yeah, I'M gonna sleep in the bed and you're not getting a kidding any of it. All right, that's fair. That's what the arena tour happens. He does the arena TORP, goes back to Detroit to fifty dollar house and just goes back to day labor and went on literally to this day. Every few years takes a trip back to South Africa. They fly him out private jet like presidential suite. Arena tore and then just flies back to Detroit. No, why? His Little Day labor life. He's done that tour. I think they said it's like eight times now. New Songs. He has put out a couple new albums since that happened. So he's making royalties. Well, he is now. He is now, Oh, so that's important. So the South African company. Yeah, they bought the rights, the local rights, from his original record label and then they did some very strange legal Jiu Jitsu that is not clear. It's hard, okay, to find exactly what happened here, but basically what they did is the legend was that he died and so they played off that legend and they said, well, he's dead, he's there's a benefactor that all his realties have to go to. The benefactor was a made up person that, ironically, they named Jesus, and this Jesus Rodrigus. There as this person Jesus, who got all of his royalties from South Africa, and so he actually hasn't gotten any of that in a net. Ever, ever, initially he didn't care, like initially he he was like, he's like no, I'm happy with my life, like that's literally what he would say. And then eventually it was kind of like as she and twenty in two thousand and eighteen, things changed and he's like he's been convinced to start pursuing this, and so he is kids. Yeah, yeah, I mean his kids are adults now. Yeah, but I'm saying like the probably has grandkids. He's got an adult children who go wait a minute dead, yeah, come on, you're getting screwed here. Yeah, probably, honestly. Yeah, when they're like five they don't understand, you know. But when you got to give my dad is his business getting hosed over, I'd be like Hey, hold on, Ye, go get that. Yeah, go get your bag, go get that bread. And so now he's actually gone after it. Well, in two thousand and twelve a documentary was produced about this. Okay, called searching for sugar man, very good documentary. Sugar Man is one of his songs. And say, do we know some of the songs? So sugar man was actually sampled in a little NAS song, which was before the documentary. So it's interesting that he found it. that. Other was a little no song. Let me look it up. When was the documentary? Two Thousand and twelve. Little Nas has not been doing little, not little nos NAS. Oh, okay, that's sorry. I said a little NAS. You did NAS, which is confusing. That shouldn't be allowed. Yeah, laws is smaller. So in Nas Song. Yeah, a NAS song. He was sampled at a NAS song. I can't find where that was. where. That's that. There was a rapper that came to our youth group. Who was he went by NAS it was I think it was NASA. Is what his NA NASA. His name was NASA. I think his name is NASA. NASA. Two Thousand and one is when the song h yeah, was when Nazis Song. Okay, you're the man. So he sampled a line from sugar man, which is popular. Rodriguez is song. Right, yeah. So and after that, after the record came out, he kind of got a cult following everywhere, because I thought that movie was super successful and every darky mom and story and people went and started listening to his music. And so a lot of people listen to him now. And he does like festivals. So he'll do occasional tours in the states. He's gone back to Australia, South Africa, Europe, but he still works as a day labor. So he goes and does these arena tours. Is Massive festivals, just goes back to his fifty dollar house in De try, it still lives there, and does day Labor. Imagine that you're just going to like Home Depot. Yeah, right. And then drake, it's like hey, bed, you need no bulls, you need like any work that he's done today and you're just like you're drake. Yeah, I'll pull all the weeds in your house for like Twenty Five Bucks, twenty and earlier. You're like you just said twenty five. You're undercutting yourself. He's like fifteen, you know. He's really bad and negotiated and says our you know, like that's okay. Pretty much what's happening here. Like this guy is, I mean huge, like in the states he ended up, after after everything blew up, he ended up going gold on his first album, oh my gosh, and platinum on on the second. So like massive, he's. Yeah, massive artist. Almost didn't know it, like very close to never knowing any of this. If those reporters hadn't tracked him down with any and I'm literally never would have known, never wanted him, and they wouldn't have known he's alive. They would have thought that that legend was true the whole time and Jesus would have got his money this whole time. Oh my gosh. So, and that's crazy. That's bonkers. Yeah, but that documentary is very good. You should watch it. Well, what's nuts is just like how content he is, like he's so content with his life. Like he's like, yeah, I go do these tours every once in a while, but, like, I like my life. I think he actually says that in the documentary, something along the lines of like, Oh, no, he said, he said real life is better. That's what he says, real life is better. I hate that. That hit me to my core. Yeah, they're like hurt me on the inside a second there. And so literally, like up until recently, yeah, he has given his royalties aways, given his tor money away. Recently something switched. I don't know if, like he fell into hard time, needs the money or what, but something switching. Now he's trying to get that money. Never be that humble, but music actually really good. I just want our hopes up. I don't want you to be like I'm holding you know, the reason I have it upgraded my phone is because Jaron's going to give me a new one. Oh, I'm not all right. I don't want you to hold out hope. I don't want you to think. I don't want you to keep living that crappy house you live in thinking the Jar's going to buy you a new one one. They all right, you gotta develop your own life. But he's on. He's on spotify. All of his records on spotify. They're actually under a sick to good under Rodriguez. It's just Rodriguez. Okay. He has almost a million monthly listeners. Sugar man is his biggest song. Is Forty nine million on spotify. So like really good sugar man, crisfy your mind. Those two are very good. I listen about those. I like them a lot. Definitely like old school, like rock and roll. And she's go to South Africa. Oh, that reminds me. I'm so, so glad you about this. Up, Elon Musk was raised on Rodriguez. Here's another thing. Dave Matthews band was influenced by Rodrigue. okay, so dave matthews bands from South Africa. I didn't know that. Yeah, and they were influenced by Rodriguez, like he's a legitimate influence and wow sound. And so they played together. No, I don't think so. They should. We should set that up. You know, hey, we've done an episode about both of you. Dave Matthews, don't listen to the one we did about you. It's not very flattery, is not. Yeah, six, so we're gonna get you your own boss don't worry about it, all right, so get to your own we should position Chicago to rename that bridge the Dave Matthews break. I don't know why we didn't make that joke earlier, but we should. They I do know that Dave Matthews covered sugar man on tour. I don't know if he's played, if they play with him, or I would imagine they would try to, unless Dave Matthew still thinks he's dead, and which time and he's dead. Like now, Hey, who guys influence by off your Rodriguez? You know this miss musician who pretty crazy story stuff, but he's he's I mean he's been dead for a long time. Like you mean that Guy, that guy? He said, that's not Rodriguez, that's Rodrigez. Yeah, play it. The Guy Mowing the lawn over here, he's Rodriguez. He's just mowing the you guys shoveling up all your violinist poop. The bus driver. Bus driver, yeah, the reas. That happens because we got a day label as a bus driver. Didn't even have a CDL man, but man could he play guitar. He's pretty talented. That's crazy. That's Rodriguez made a real sick. I guess is a fiddle. MMM, there you go. Things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by connerbet social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at Tilling podcast, that's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review, comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.

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It's just a vegetable yeah and they were like. Like the won't impress me, you know what the future is vegetables, every vegables wow. I Love Your Flower Garden, that's so two thousand and three or this is two thousand and seventy five. You know and we don't have flower beds. Yeah we've got a million Gris Garden grooves. Are I grove garlic grews all right? You know what I tried to listen to a few true crime podcast this week, because we might be working on one so trinity. You allegedly were allegedly working on a true crime pike, we're working on a false crime. PODCASTS. Do that reason to a false scribe by? U? Where is this up? We just incriminate everybody dude us make. Everybody seems so guilty anyway, so we're work. We might be working on it. 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Cot deserves it's on episode, so here we are in your research. Yeah go in my research. I am an esteemed researcher. In fact, Wikipedia sent me a message today. That's how steamed I am yeah they're, like you, can't keep adding your podcast to look at poliager. I we believe your Diervilla looks like you're making up like I'm like fine black. Now. Did you go at things over last night to all the topics, most of them as a pop culture? Reference Hey, be, I think, who I should be on there. I agree we're pop call Chi you gree or pop culture. We are pop culture defined. I was in the city that what are they a? We Really Message: U Today, yeah what they say. Please donate you know they said that everybody they said Hey. I notice your your contributin contributions. Ye cobue just noticed your contribution yeah. What did they say to you? They said they know our contributions and they sent me some tutorials. Oh it's because you ca, you contributed money. No, no! Like contributors, Contrib, Oh, like editing, Editi, been messing with Loki. They said here's some detoriated how to actually do that. Yeah they're, like in case you're, wondering how you did it wrong. Here's a better way. So Epcot said I I ve cut of mean Disney said Walter Disney Walter. I is it Walton. I don't know Walter Walton. It's all this. We did an episode about them. We did do so. Yeah were no episode. It was years ago so Disney in what year fifty five his whole life. He had always thought man, you know what it's Walter so Walter. His whole life had always said. You know what I could do cities better than all these idiots yeah it is. It was really weird that, like you know, a second grader is out here. His second grade teacher wrote that, on the teacher report, very attentive in class can can add. Like a you know, like no one else, a good artist yeah in these weird mice, yeah yeah, is too big ears. My only feed back and also just wrote on his paper. I can do cities better than everyone else a hundred times. I can do cities better than everyone else. I can do cities, but yeah I mean that was what was we think Walter Walt W is deranged. Is this a teacher like a parent teacher coach that first sure Miss Disney? Isn't that weird that we cost Elias? Is that time? I think I steamed researcher so, okay, so his whole life. He had this dream of doing city's better or one he's looking around like. I could do it. I have also had those thoughts, though you don't say he had this dream. I would say: here's what happened. He moved to La in the story even to La and he had to deal with La Traffic. He moved to La Win. I mean I don't know it like. Is that war is when, like the forts, opes yeah, and it was not the La that it is now yeah, but traffic was still bad. No, he isn't a okay, it was so literally they started La and they're, like you know, be a good thing to start. Traffic is part of the foundation. No, he literally was talking. He constantly talked about traffic and how much he hated it and how he thought there needed to be a solution really to like cities better without traffic. Really, yes, I didn't know that he hated traffic. I didn't know that was his. He was a vocal opponent to traffic, so much so actually that hold on. I didn't know that Disney had like a like a traffic. You know what I didn't know that he was like angry about that. I love that the I love the idea that, while Disney in my head is just like raging with traffic he's like creating the happiest place in the world, you know he's up in his little apartment of the fire station. Like you know, all these people are coming in to visit, Disneyland and he's like yeah welcome, and then you see someone that the day before he's flips off in traffic he just goes except for you, you can't come get out of here was like what he's like yeah, how about you go on Space Mountain and then they just never see him again. I like the idea that he's like got this secret current of hater ve, addictive traffic or rage, O rage, yeah yeah, that's kind of accurate, Ray Bradbury author Ray Bet, Bradbury Ray Bradbury author of Fahrenheit, four, fifty one okay. He said this is how Votis ne this is. How Vocal Disney was on traffic. Rad Brabber said that he should run for mayor of La because he's the only person who could fix the traffic problem. Okay, I guess I didn't know yeah so, okay, so it's a a AH, he was so he was. He really was just kind of like looking around being like civics. I got this yeah actually well, I mean I think, after after Disney, like his company took off here's the thing I think we're going to learn with epcot as we go down. This episode. Disney got a pinch and by a pinch I mean a crazy amount. A ton of insane of arrogance makes because he is what happened with him. Everybody said a feature length, animated film will never work and- and he crushed yeah and made it this massive company. And then everybody said a theme park based on movies will never work and then he did it and it crushed and he made tons of money off of it, and so he twice had done something that was just an absolute giant success and despite everybody saying this is never going to work, and so now he's like everyone's telling me that my car that runs on water is never to work. We got a prototype somewhere, so he got to the point where he was like he's like. I can do whatever I want. Yeah t else is wrong because I'm smarter than them really yes and we're going to feel. Are we going to feel different about Disney? After this I mean, I think you, I think, he's a little arrogant out of there, but I don't think you'll feel that different about them, I mean maybe a little but here's. What I think is that all these people, every time that something that Disney does something so many people like they're, like you know, Disney canceled annual passes, yeah and everyone's like Oh walt, would never a D and in my head I'm like guys walt was a cutthroat business. Man Like he would have would never yeah you would have you know they like to think of it. This is like mythical, like a kind of person or whatever, but he he kill you you don't know we should do a documentary, a crime or a called the bodies under Disney us. The only thing we lack right now is evidence, but we can figure that out. I think there's what is your face hold on, I'm trying to under water cause of Walter Disney well hold on what if we can cut all this part out a want other. What if there was bodies found underneath sea world and it was the documentary was called under the seaworld. Come on that's good. Let's start digging under S, let's start yea. What are you all doing out there digging for bodies? We we're in the tank. SCOPAE whale fits one of us. Take our arm were someing in an under water, so just kicking up a just sprinkling, sho maneuver under water to it's like the like. The show is still going on above us. So above us the way I was just jumping diving down swimming around us. You know some kids think we're giant fish for some reason, because kids are stupid but like what are those fish you are in, the parents are like, I think, they're digging right. Those fish are digger fate. Those are digger fish, yeah, their bottom feeders they're, the kind of thing they got, those in the whatever anyway. So if we found some bodies under sea world, if big, the documentary would he call under the Sea World- and I love that so speaking of so anyway, theme parks. So he he kind of started this idea with his La School, the arts, okay or California, school the arts, and so he started it and it was like a very similar idea was going to be like a college campus and a work campus and then this place where you lived and you worked- and you did all this stuff and it was an interesting dream and he thought man I'm going to make a place all my employer going to live to work here. Your students are going to love to go to school here and he did it and cow school the yards. I had a rocky start now, it's like a established thing, that's like great and even his studio like it's just doing right now, but there was a moment in time where everything he thought about how like he literally sat down- and he spent all this time thinking through everything for his employees, like hey you're, going to live. This close to work, it's a great for all this stuff, but is it sorry I had this doctor pepper great for you, that's what I'm talking about like this is Dr Pepper as breathe. It's a Dr Pepper! So but it didn't, it didn't pain out that way, because I, the employes were like hey like this sucks and he was like it wasn't supposed to is supposed to be awesome. Why did they say it sucked because there's something to do well? No, it wasn't that there was nothing to do. It was that it was just restrictive on them and so the working conditions like are we allowed to leave he's like yeah? Well, you don't have to there's like enough stuff here. He's like you, got a grocery store and like a place to live and they're like yeah, but can we leave you don't have to I mean when you I would you want to go out there to the traffic? Why would you want to do that? Why would you, when you get too close to the fence, you're, going to hear a beeping from that collar around your neck? But that doesn't mean you doesn't any anything yeah we'll just see you tomorrow is is a shock caller. If you know what we've got a great restaurant that we just opened, it is pretty shocking, but it does, but it's not a shot collar. Okay, so are we allowed to leave or not? If you keep asking, you know, what sorry almost do you like killer whales? How do you feel so there was, there was a walkout and all of his employers were like were really it was like that and they like picketed it. They were like. We like a change like conditions and it was there, but it was the sort of situation where he thought he was building this like dream world, where everybody's gonna love working there, but really it was kind of like it's a sort of thing where it was like well different into a nightmare. It's almost like, like a situation where it's like, okay. I hope this is really on the nose for somebody were like your dad plans. This vacation, everyone's, like he's like he's like, is gonna, be so full we're gonna do all this. We could do that and then, like day through, the vacation everybody's had it and they're sick of Dad Yeah and dad sick of the fact that they're not having fun and so dad's like shut up and have some fun already and everybody else is like I'm not having fun. This is in fun, Sacaton Sucks and then the dad's really mad, and then the kids get out of the car and with the pickets and and they started picketing the fame vacation. It was really one nose for me and my family, except for that was my mom, and then you did the picket la it. If anyone crosses the strike line, stop vacation now we're striking our own family man. I hope my kids do that one day I would love for my kid to hold up a sign. That's just like down with Dad Dad be like I'd, be like Hey Peto, vacation, Vedo vacation. I just don't want to go home, but I don't want to be here. That's what I want my kid to hold up. That's really pretty freaking funny, but yeah. So waters were like listen. We don't want to live here. We don't want your situation, whatever you unterland for us, and so it was an epic failure, and so they changed a lot of stuff and it was fine again but walt had it in the back of his mind. where he's like remember when I did that- and it was almost great he's like, I think I could do it again, but it'd be bad for everybody for everybody and he was super angry at Disney land, not Disneyland, but the land around Disneyland Disneyland would be land because when he built it there was nothing around it. But it is everyone, other businesses, yeah, hotels and stuff, to open up around it that it trapped them in, and so they were trap by traffic again and so he's just raging about all the traffic around Disneyland. Okay. So when he built Disneyland, it was kind of in the middle because it is a little far out of Los Angeles. So it wasn't as I go, to see the middle nowhere, but there was open space around it yeah and he had a there's nowhere for to expand Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday. That's right: that's where new episodes drop on patroon patrons a way to get early access to episodes and a their content and exclusive merchandise, and we're not going to stop there because we had a private discord with our host and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a day. That's right! That's five! A month you two can be a Patriot supporter and not your advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore text till in the six X, eight, six, six, otherwise I'll come to your house. I will find you. I will destroy everything, that's good in your life until we're the only thing left anyway, here's another advertisement so so epcot was born and Epcot. You Might Ave hard remind me again s, one thousand, nine hundred and ninety five Disney land opens. Let me look at the. Let me look at time line and then, when he went to Florida he just had all the land because he was like no one wants to be here. On thousand nine hundred and Ity five Disneyland opened yeah and you the same trade engines are running the same trains in that crazy. That's pretty bonesie kind of cool and they're running on the same track that he laid Disney world opened and seventy one but epcot, okay, so e eighteen years later, epcot predated by a long time, O all yeah, so epcot was early. S is in Florida. Yes, yes! So! Well! Let me let me the idea of a card or the eve. Let me okay! Well, let me tell o this Tory. What is that cut stand for expert experimental prototype community of tomorrow, Yeah Yeah, so anyways, so he he had this idea he's like he's like. I want to build this dream: Community: Okay, no traffic! That's the only rule, no traffic, lots of mice and gangsters on the bridge that was his prototype city, Bata brose in the Middle Bataras in the middle. You know what this is going to be perfect, but it really was. It was honestly kind of coming off of that behavior sing era. It's the early s yeah and so he's. Looking at every city and saying all these city suck traffic is awful: Yeah, they're, dangerous, there's crime. The reason that your yeah there's too many people everywhere, yeah he's like I'm going to build the city where there's no crime, there's no traffic and everything is beautiful and it's Super Fun all the time, and so he feels like Michael Scott, the office. Where he's like I'm going to have twenty seven kids, and that way no one can not be my friend or like oh she. So he had this idea and was kind of thinking through how he was going to do it. So he actually looked at a lot of locations. He looked at St Louis. He left at Denver. He looked at New York, we kind of had Disney world in St Louis Yeah, O think about help much that would have reshaped the state its phenomena me, I mean look what I did for Florida. I mean yeah, not great things. You know, so he was looking at all those different places and then so of beach. Miami some guy just listed an obscene amount of acreage for sale and he was all of a sudden like Huh Florida, and so he started looking at the topography there. That deal never went through, so he never actually went with that specific guy. But then he was like you know what Florida is a perfect place. He had. He had one of his research teams go through and do all the the market research there and when he realizes he said hey this actually want to compete with Disneyland at all, because it's the opposite coast, and so you said what we would have as we would have basically a line down the middle of the country where everyone on the east coast would go disney world. Everyone on the west coast would go disneyland. The only thing at this point: it was in Disney world, it was epcot and epcot had different parks and locations within it was the vision. Okay, so epcot was Disney world initially. So we'll run with that for a second and we'll explain kind of the vision in the second. So, like animal kingdom was going to be part of that guy. Well, he didn't have an idea for an IM, looking him to begin with, but okay, if e in practice. Yes, that's the idea, like magic kingdom, Animal Kingdom Epcot, it was epcot and all those were parts of Epcot Lois I've got so he he said, okay, well, that deal went didn't go through right, but he said what about something in the middle of Florida. So it's not all the way down. There is a little easier for people to get to through found. Orlando fell in love with the area and basically told his company said Hey by as much of it as your pain and so, and I know there they still own so much more than they're using yeah yeah they bought hold on. Let me see if I can figure out how much acreage they bought for it and then how much they're using that's how I'm cure I'm curious. What the ratio is. Yeah sounds good. They bought twenty five thousand acres, so thirty nine score miles and they're using about half that's what I'm saying they're only using half of what for all their parks m. What? Because the idea was epcot, and so the idea was idea. This experient called You keep saying that, like we know what Epcot is yeah well I'll, tell you get there I'll, tell you okay, say there. Now, here's up guy, here's the idea that got it's this! It's this theoretical place where, like I said, no crime or traffic logs are fun, but here's the thing then there's tomorrow, it's always tomorrow, so he wanted this to be a bastion of the future and so no matter what it would always be twenty years ahead of every other city in the world, okay, and so his idea will take it from the airport, so the property, the bottom of the property, was an airport, and so that was kind of a big grand you would fly into epico yeah, and so this was the Epcot International. Are Rich people fly in the Disney world like at the airport at Disney world? Do they have an air or an airport? I'm pretty sure they do, I'm pretty sure they have their own little airport yeah. But you like do like rich people get to fly in there or do they just go to Orlando Airport Wi you? What do you mean? I don't understand what you're saying I, Orlando has an airport does Disney. Let the rich people fly into dis. DISNEYS are part, I don't know, does Disney let people land on the safari trail a long guys. We've got a pause. If you look to your left, there's some water buffalo in front of us, JAS's playing, is landing. Give him a second like wrap. It's got his face on the side of it he's not gody dude, he's classy. I This a little lane, as I'm saying like are they allowed to? I don't know anyway, go ahead that so the original idea was that there would be an airport that you were fly into with the intention of going to Avco yeah, and then they attack attached to that is the entrance to epcot, and so there's this big grand entry way kind of really similar to what the entry way to dis a world is right, now lots of little shops and things to see. And then, when you get on there, there is the monorail system, and so the monorail system runs through the whole series of call them locations of Epcot. Today we would call them parks, but that's not accurate, for that's not what we do. Vision was, and so you go through it, and the obviously have your first. So was that giant ball built first, no well, it might have been, but it wasn't initially so we'll get to that we'll get to how it became what it is, because totally change your story. So so you would get on the monorail and the monorail will then take you through this sort of industrial, complex, and so this I did. The idea for this was you get there and there was a train station, a Monera station yeah and attach the monorail station where people move our stations which the people movers they have them at Disneyland, and I think they have met Disney world too, and at some random places around the world too, but basically they're like trains, but instead of it being like a train that moves along a track. It's a train with stationary cars on the track and then the track moves, and so it's like almost like a belt like almost like a like a like those staircases, as Cascar yeah, almost like an escalator. So like the what so, it's like it's a anterson concept, but I don't think I've seen them outside of like the haunted mansion yeah. That's a perfect example. That's exact know, that's I say is like that'ss your describing the haunted mansion yeah. So that was the idea. They have that everywhere it a bunch of people move or stations, people movers were hold. How many people that mean they have a bunch of cars they'd be like two or three people in a car and put the cars, so it would be like the haunted mansion just everywhere, yeah, like a roller like a little roller coaster, car who then be a car in front of you. Well, this was the transition transportation systems. That way you have to deal with traffic and you get on your little cart and then the car. What the cart would do is it was a the it was located. Everything in epcot was a bunch of circles, and so the industrial complex is the same way at the center. The circle was your monorail station with your people, murders, and they went out like spokes to each of the different complexes. Complexes were also like a big circle, and so you would stop in the middle, and then there would be trails that led to all the buildings which were the businesses, and so his vision was i'm going to get r ca, kodak all the major companies at the time, radio shack. But for me all those were the major companies, the time that were like in the front of technology, to open up campuses here, and this was you got e a blockbuster in here. It's go great and they would be pushing technology forward ad evon and there's a reason that he wanted them here and there's a reason he wanted them at the first stop which will get to, and it's just a second okay. So you would get you go past your first step and then you would enter into tomorrow, land and so then that'd be a big step where all the vegetables are which i'm going to come back to tomalin, because that's bigger and it's going to take a little longer to talk about you pass tomorrow. Land and then you get to the theme parks. And so then you would stehe plan was for theme parks to exist there, the e it wasn't just like a you know. Let's us go a giant place to live yes, but it was an afterthought for walter. Okay, well really owd d really thought that he needed it for funding more than anything interestin, because because he knew hey wee prue the concept before i can get investors at back this park yeah. But i can't get into invest my co new city, my god, all right. It's called av cole. I have cot, so it's a little different ani said cold. I said it were not sorry said accident anyway, you remember who i am right: yeah yeah, i'm powerful yeah! Just give me money. Do you like whales? So so that was going to be the magic king goes a sea world down there too. So that was going to be the magic kingdom and think what the magic kingdom was. It was just like disneyland, but it also had like a billion golf courses, the exact number of what he planned- a billion golf course, golf courses, no, but it had a lot of golf courses like tennis cords, like all this in the point outdoor like stuff to do yeah, and so the idea was you fin. You drive through the the industrial complex and you get to kind of you. Don't take sure you moved through while you're on a monorail yeah. If you get off, you get moved through: okay spare monorail through the industrial comprest, complex yeah, and you see all these. These businesses that are leading the way and then you go into tomorrow, land and then you go to the park and here's the cool thing about to morrow land. Is it's crazy? It's it's twenty years in vans, it's twenty years ahead of everything else in theory, but here's the layout for tomorrow and again concentric circles like the spoke system out outwards, so your monteral lands in the middle okay and then you have all your people movers going out, but this time, instead of it being like you get there, there's a station and people moves that. Take you out to other circles. You you stop in, like almost this giant mall. So the monorail goes into this building yeah and the monorail station is at the first floor of this hotel in the hotel is the highest building in the whole city and so massive tower and then surrounding the hotel same building. But the hotel just rises out from within it is a fifty acre shopping mall. Basically- and so it's just this massive massive indoor, mall okay, but the catch was it was an outdoor mall that they just put a roof on. So they had built all these buildings while they guess they didn't build it. But the idea was built. All these buildings put a design it to look like different parts of the world and then put a roof over it. So you can climb at control the whole thing and they were going to put there's like there's renderings that they have of it little dome skylights randomly all over the place to let natural lighted and they look really funny. They look like submarine port holes. Okay for the ceiling of this massive building, yeah make just gigantic building on the edge of the sous going to open a big mallon, the edge of the shopping mall was kind of this mixed use, district that wrapped all the way around the mall. So it s the malls is giant circular building and then wrapped around it. Our buildings attached to the building, but like kind of jet out from the building and er different shapes and sizes, and how that's where the employers would live now will some of them. There were apartments, but there was also like your hospitals, some on that irises yeah in that circle, and so that was like kind of your almost service center. There is a bunch of different services there, okay and then outside of that. The next ring was the green belt, and so this was just parks and open spaces, but within the parks and open spaces there was your schools and things like that: okay and so, and then you had another ring outside of it. That was your residential spaces, and so the way it was laid out is your spokes were again the people, movers and your people. Movers would take people from the center points to the hotel and the mall down to that. Each stop along that until you get to the residential zones and the residential zones. Are these big coldest of people move a rail yeah and the way it works? You just like a people move her home, yeah, yeah and but the people move it the way it worked. Is it only stopped if you triggered it to stop, which would be a disaster for people like me when it stop? Stop it all the time the whole e, i guess yeah, but you don't have to trigger to stop i've, ridden the hono mention you just get off he step off. I guess so. I guess so. That's real! I don't know how fast i move if you got to, if you're all on the same line right, jus giant people move her. If your been on the hanamenu know that it stops multiple times while you're in there yeah yeah, because the idiots of the beginning didn't know how to get in yeah, that's the only reason it stops yeah, so they have to trigger the stop yeah you're right yeah. So if you i know where you're going just push it open and get out, i guess so don't hold up the rest of the, and this is honestly, you know traffic like say it's traffic, because you know either way you can design a system that works and everything, but there's still gonna be idiots to mess it up. So the cold issac yeah was your people mover, and the thing with that is it was this large park was your cultas x instead of being this little asphalt corner? Is this large park and all the houses faced in towards the greenery on the park? And so then you get off and you walk across the park to your house now. Would you be signed a house, or could you buy one yeah? Let me get there okay, this is excited he here's. What i gets kind of interesting, the back side of the house, is actually had rotes because he knew that the residence you could want to be want to leave yeah's like i learned this the hard way, the first time people are going to want to leave. I guess there was roads. I don't know why. So it was interesting. You kind of had this, this coldest. That was like inverted because the houses would have almost the backyards in the coldish and then outside the cold. Sec would be this big loop road that would go back inwards, and here they had outlets that would have to be gated wall. Her was really interesting. What they did is the the roads went back in towards the center and they actually went underneath the mall, and so there was almost like a redout. The made entrance there's almost like a freeway running through the mall, so traffic. If the mall was in the first floor, there's a basement level below that low inside the highway went through there and there was tons of parking underneath in that first floor, so massive parking garage with a highway that ran through and all those spokes from the neighborhoods went through there and then the floor below that was another highway, and that was shipping. So all of your trucks and all of your delivery ports were in that bottom basement, okay, and so this is actually that idea was actually the brainchild for what disney world has now with all the tunnels, underneath, where all the characters travel underneath very different than the original idea for upcot. But that's where it came from was this concept and it was the way it was done in practice. Was they actually lifted the whole park because the water ceiling or floor whatever under underground in florida? It's too high, so you couldn't put basements that low, so they would have acted, had actually build up to get it up there. So anyways that's a cool like interesting concept and even in the mall, so you had you had your shipping layer, you had your highway like normal traffic layer and then you had your foot traffic layer in the mall, but the mall was high ceilings and then you had the monorail running through it. That was a level above and the people. Movers were the level above right. So it was almost like four layers of transport of shipping traffic flit traffic rail cause really interesting, and it did i mean theoretically, it would be great for traffic becausethere's, like all these different traffic options at different layers of the city, to get you in and out of different parts of the city faster, and so the theory was you could live off of one of those spokes or in one of the residential areas. Ur, take your people move in to the mono rail or to the mall or wherever you worked, or take the rail to the park, work in the park or take it to the industrial part right and do your work there and then the idea for the industrial park, and so this was why he did this first, as he wanted the industrial part to showcase all the new technology. Okay, if apple was there apple would, as you drive through, be like here's, their new phones, a ta riding through on the monorail and what the neighborhood would be around to morrow land is, they would be the test zone for new technology. So every time one of these industrial complexes came up with a new technology, they would give it to those people free to test. Okay, like right off the front which sounds kind of cool until you realize what his idea was hey whenever they, whenever ge puts out a new fridge, we're going to switch your fridge and like we're just going to come in and do it and like you, want a new like your tv, we're just going to switch your tv yeah, and so it was going to be the state of constant, like new retro, fitting all of your appliances and everything in your home. Your vehicle, like whatever, like wal, constatation, getting changed, and to be able to do that and to be able to run the city he we wanted to the way he wanted to run it. Well, we kind of live in that anyway. What do you mean? Yeah, you get a new phone every year yeah, but we do it by choice. This is not a choice. This is just here's your every six months. Someone comes in and takes so launching me. I don't take this phone. Is this caller going to shock me, and that was that was why this is literally why he didn't never run for office. He joked about it, but i think he's a people going to bring up the colt n n. No, he joked about it, but he was a little serious where he said. Well. If i ran for government, i want to have full control, and that was the idea for that joke mate. That was a joky batson, really e. I was not joking, that's i'm saying! Oh, so he- and that was the thing with epcot- is oh you a goin to run for governor and have less control than i do now. All right! That's cool! I'm going to take my people over home now yeah i about to go to up coll. I mean cot. It's sorry! So the idea. Can you add that when you go to your breath, so he so he added all these things into the city, but he wanted to make sure it wasn't a democracy. He wanted absolute control yeah because he didn't think his belief was if people had their say that it wouldn't go the way he wanted it to a god super weird so fast so, but because he figured he said. I think people are going to have a problem with us changing their house. Every six months is, is my world a aftermaths, terrifying all right, so so yeah that and then every every part of the city was very much put into like you weren't supposed to retire. If you're going to be a part of the city, you had to contribute and okay. So that's what i was going to ask like, so you are voluntarily becoming part of the city. Yes, so it's not like a there's. No there's! No representatives, there's! No! It's not a government thing. It is straight up like in his run by disney. Yes, he's the emperor o that con yes at ecal, kepher, pepere, apery aper, that kind of yeah. I see what you're doing hap king, i don't know but yeah. So it was a little better company company towns had been a thing for a long time. Have we talked about company towns? I don't think so. So company towns they've been around forever, and this is similar to a company town, basically idea of a company down forward. Did it there's like some famous plastics company that did it? That was a disaster in chicago about like ford, for example, for they opened up a company town in? I can't remember where, like venezuela or brazil, one of those like in south america and the idea was that it was going to be a rubber factory and everybody there was going to live and work theirs. They built all these homes for everybody, okay and they built the factory, and it was supposed to be like hey. We gave you a great life opportunity, and then you go you yeah, and so the problem was for was one of the more extreme examples. A lot of company towns. Did this, though, where basically, you were kind of on the hook, your employment and your light. Like your yeah, if you don't get fired so quit, then you lose. Then you lose your home right, yeah! That's what i was curious about. This dissney stuff is like. So how do you get chosen to live there? Well, i don't know exactly what that process was going to look like, because i still like very early for for disney, at least, but it wasn't a situation like the company towns, because there's multiple companies and the company that was running it. While they did have employment opportunities for everyone, they were the only employer yeah. I got o player, so you can work for apple and still live there yeah, but you had to work in the town like you had to work in the town. You so have a job outside of the town, the idea as you're contributing to epcot, no matter what so you couldn't retire. If you retired you had to leave if you weren't working, you had to leave and the reason for that is he thought that that would eliminate slow people. Oh sorry, he was like you know what i hate just his a graphic and the old is called in the olds to literally like sixty on at this time. I know that's what he's saying he's like i'm never going to be one of those i'm on work till i died. You know so he he, he fike, thought the problem with american cities and why there was crime and bad neighborhoods was because those people weren't working. He didn't recognize that it was income in quality, so he was like. If everybody works, there won't be any bad neighborhoods and so or he felt the same way about poor people that dave ramsey does yeah. Actually it was just like: oh yeah, it's just their fault: oh okay, o yeah, yeah, exactly and so he's like he's like, as if you work you can stay. If you don't work, you have to leave she's, fair, which i mean if you're, what about the cloten that what age that was? That was what was interesting to is that's why they did the green belt and put the schools in the green belt, because in the s adults were scared of teenagers, because the teenager with the baby boomers- and they were nuts- absolutely crazy. I mean, if you're going to put boom in the generation name yeah, so they put them in the green belt. So high schoolers have to work no, but they had to go to school yeah. It's the schools and stuff for in the green belt. In this idea, this ever happened. Yeah yeah the idea, the green, the high schools were in the green dot. So that way they were separate from everything else, because they yeah, because they're crazy to that, would do that still high school or start his cool restuck. You know and like i speak in high schools- and i know those high schools a listen to this, and i want you to know you sunk, you suck a t. If i chance i get to go back in time and somehow i am a high school student and listening to my own podcast you suck to dude. Like i straight up, i hate who i was then you know. I said this yesterday in ten years en i look back right now. Ten years ago i was seventeen years old right. Ten years from now, i'm going to look back. That would be like i was a freaking idiot twenty seven year old, twenty six, a wife is, is that is that constantly just looking back and being an i cause? I was thinking about it. My parents do that now my parents are like yeah but, like you know when, when you were a kid, we didn't know what you were doing and i was like you were my age when i was a kid well, i think i think, if you're the kind of person who grows your whole life, then oh yeah, if you're, not if you're, sitting here and you're going yeah, you know i've got this thing figured out the last twenty years. I want you to know everyone else around. You thinks you suck everyone else around. You thinks that you so and that's kind of the kind of bats o o n. He was that's a great point that, if you're growing, then you should feel a little bit embarrassed about how you used to be. But if you're not embarrassed at all, you said you suck you suck. You should be that's the rule, that's where, if you're not embarrassed it off, you should be, should be yes, what was it? It was just like. I s been great yeah and so out i can er. I could start a cold, that's what i was gonna say. I thought i could i thought about it, so i so i could never join one can never join. I wouldn't be o. I could start one. I hate that. I know that about myself, because i've grew self power because i've grown anyway, so they put the high scores in the green belt. Yeah they put. The high school is in the green bolt because they're scared of them yeah so so walt was like all right. Let's, this is still the early s when this idea is for they're, like drawing up plans for this yeah and they've already purchased the la not just drunk yeah they've already proceed the land, they're, building, scale models and they're actually building the technology, so they built thanks. Okay, yeah matereal exists, the monorail had already existed, the people mover had artis. Did they already use that stuff in disneyland, but some of the tuft that they re building that was really cool? Is they built basically like what we have for sewage? They built that for trash, so they were vacuum pipes for trash, and so you would dump that in your home or anywhere in the whole thing and disney world actually uses it to this day, and so disney world was a a we're keeping that, but is all the actions all the chat cans on disney. Will you drop them in there and periodically? The bottom opens up it's a vacuum and it just sucks all the trash down to a central trash corridor. No, a hundred percent, no crazy and it's the same come, and i asked that with a little bit of excitement, because i'm kind of like what happened that you follow it we should try. I don't think the pipes are big enough for a person in a is kind of jokes, the whole time what you don't think it's big enough for me. I said i only try to say for a person. Am i not a prosy person pick any person, anyone any person, anyone who told me to do an episode that epcot the kind of fit okay, so okay, so they suck the trash out. Have you ear till in podcast march? That's right. We have a merged store full of tillin bread and teas, hoodies mugs and so much more. We also make new designs for every single episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them, while they're hot text till into six six, eight six six to get your till in march today, so so the the trash is getting. I straight up, don't believe that i want to not want to see that in action, crazy, so were so go they there's like a central corridor underground in their little tunnel system. That's the trash room, just like star wars and it com packs it, and then they ship it out. That's crazy, yeah because and they're. Actually, a reason for that is, i find out think about i've, never seen somebody change your trash candid disney. You haven't because i got the trash the trash tunnels. I don't know what the call trachea total its as tubes, so the whole reason for that same concept disney had little things that really frustrated him. For example, try other linings, you just throw the trash and it sucks it out. I'm pretty sure you just thowt in it sucks it down mathis. The whole reason for it was disney could not stand listening to the trash trucks back up by his house. It's the little i can't be like and then driving away he's like. We need to come up with a way he's like. I hate traffic and i hate trashing. Okay, what is trafic? It's trash traffic, it's the trucks backing up and they do their me ma me then, and then you hid them, throw all the chest: a quasher, the person who runs the happiest place, the lord you're pretty unhappy with most things in the world. Why? Okay, i i i hate that some of them coming on the road and they got a person riding on the end of it. You know the person jumps off and grabs it right now get rid of both of them. Yeah put them on a ground, but like build a tunnel for him bar, i mean bury the road with them on it. So, okay, so yeah, so he they were. Hey at least he's providing solutions. Honestly, i do like the trash thing. Isn't that cool? That is super neat. It's i mean a massive undertaking for something. That's kind of slim yeah, we're already kind of have solved, but pretty cool yeah. I guess so. He, where they're at is they had the whole concept they have models. He's got this massive room in his studio with vaulted ceilings like twenty foot ceilings where they have maps plastered to the wall of this thing and they've got scale models on the on tables in this room like this is her. I me they're in the planning face and what you're iselin? How long is all that early s like sixty four sixty five? Really so the film this movie promote? When did they buy the land in florida? I'm not exactly sure. Actually, because i'm wondering early is. I know that yeah you keep saying that i'm trying to figure out what the timeline of all this is. How fast can you build a cold city? Well, he's like we'll have a football team, the way called the colts. You know that's where they came from. Let's see everything i'm finding is like in the s they bought. I guess what the key saying. Okay, i all right. It doesn't matter so as it's taken a few years, they're they're doing stuff on this, though so they're doing stuff on this they're working on the project walt. That's what i think it in my mind. This was always just an idea. I didn't know that they had like started. It was an idea telling a that turned into like something they were actually working on a they filmed. This thirty minute film, with two different with alten ending, so one ending was for for for florida state like legislators to basically be like hey. Let us do this, it's going to be awesome. The other in thing was for people who might live there. The other ending was for investors to be like put your money into this yeah, and so, but they filmed it theater those available yeah they do exist. They're really interesting is really intrest love to talk through the whole thing. It's not you to the whole things i need to be, can watch it coelina to it. No, i was that's what i expect you to answer. Thank you so the we linked to it it's in the description of wherever you're listening. Now he did it. Okay, just look for yourself see if you can find on google it hey. You can't say that search it did you know that they don't want you to, but it's not. I didn't make it legal. I mean they can't come after me. They chant really hard yeah. They can't it's free to speak. You know what i'm gonna say: google them. I like like hey what, if we made it something different, you know: hey google, be glad that it's search right now: okay, what he kin the like, they're, like hey. You can't say that any more i be like google, you dude, we can make this a whole thing, so be grateful that it's just a mean search, something right now, because it could mean something else of anyways. So waltz became just obsessed. Yeah arms epcot, like painfully obsessed, yea point where he was like when you can play a little train like when you realize that the reason people make train models is because they don't have control their own life and they want to have control over a little tiny people. Well, that's what he's doing with people with real people he was like. I can make epcot he's like he's like. I have always been able to control a lot. I want to control disneyland is a madman's like a rich person's train model fever tree literally there's a train there. It's a train model. It's like a model train villa, it's a model, train village, but it's real life, so they put it together. They quoted this thing in the mid of six about sixty five in the y. Five hundred million dollars, which would be today would be point four point, six billion dollars and he was like. Let's do it we're going ahead, and so he said he said he said this is going to take me. Fifteen years to complete right he's, gone freaking man he's trying to open it by the edes yeah and he's going insane yeah when the d everybody close to him as saying eis drinking is getting worse, you know becoming more radic well in sixty six. He died of lung cancer. Largely because of this i mean he smoked his whole life. But what happened was they discovered the tumor? They removed it and they gave him this this, like rest and recoup plan yeah, and he just said forget that i'm going back to work, google that he said, google that i'm building an epcot yeah, i'm busy. So he literally, they said, there's reports of him in his hospital room working after his surgery and then he gets out and he rests for a couple days- goes back to the office the day he goes back to his office. He dies. You think he would have made it if he didn't yeah, probably jeez. I saw a tactae other day and this guy is he's in a bunch of videos, he's kind of like a gary v kind of guy he's older ilho find it for you because he's like i work sixty four hours a day. You see that video now or he's just like he's like in twice as productive everyone else. So if i'm working eight hours, i've already working sixteen hours just there, because i'm twice as productive, because then i'm working sixteen hour days and because i've already working to ice pectorals, that's thirty, two hours right there he goes in then, with all this. I don't know how he got the sixty four. He doubles that again, so he's saying he's working si he's doing the equivalent of sixty four hours of work a day. Literally. I wanted to come in on and be like. Hey man, your kids, don't know your name like broly. That's pretty sad in that great coras. That's really sad! So yeah's! Basically what happened at disney. He dies yeah, and in did the hall a weatherby sure died, and i was like all right. I didn't want to say when he's alive, but this is crazy. Well, that's the thing everybody in the company, except for his number two was like this. This is a crazy yeah they put like this is insane like this is an casini. This cost too much. This is too big yeah and there's not enough opportunity for us to actually make money off of this, and so his number two was like. No, it's going to be awesome. Who was his number two mickey mouse? He was his number two fe yeah mick is not good at pisa. Think he was the face. Goofy was the one boon, the strings, the whole time you know, cufee was the one really making it work, so he he his brother roy comes in and all along this process. Roy was telling him you don't. This is crazy, don't do this and he literally like there's moments actually right before his surgery. There's a moment where someone came to him with some impo about the build and was like hey, this isn't going to work because of xyz yeah and he screamed at him and was like. Have you been talking to roy did boy. I tell you to say this because he knew roy was a lot more realistic than him and yeah. I was a crazy idea, and so after he died, roy took over disney the whole company yeah n, and he said i want to make this dream of reality, but we're not going to do this, and so he kind of repositioned everything as a disney world and eventually like they had the plan to in the future open epcot. But it was going to be a park. It was, and so he changed everything to just the theme parks a having the hotels and stuff like that, because the city of tomato thing it was cool so when people are always like walt, would roll in his grave if he saw what these parks have become: yeah they're right, yeah, actually because yeah, if he went to if he went to florida and saw what is he right happening now, yeah, okay yeah? He would he would be furious yeah, because he, because that's not that, wasn't a plan for him. The park was an after thought. It was just to get investors it just some in honestly. He probably would have closed it yeah i, after what have opened a lie if it was sustainable enough, he would have ben like. I don't want to have a park over here. Yeah there's no reason to have a park here, not in this city, not in this city parks, bring crime and poor people who i want those here, but yea and old. That's a lot of the feed back. A lot of people have because he has this vision for the city as if everybody's just going to be perfect, all the time yeah he's like the supreme ruler of it. But it's like what happens when someone's not like what happens when someone kills. Somebody because like it could happen like what are you going to do? Walk well, we've got my kilar whale takes that justice is swift, and so it was. It was an interesting idea for a city. It could have been really cool, but it's unrealistic because it's idealistic, yeah and also the problem. The idea is to be twenty years ahead of something for ever like that means literally every year you have to update it like you have to constantly be getting ahead of everything yeah, but that's what our culture does now. Well, that's, that's! That's the problem with epcot right now is the r they have the tomorrow land, but it's it's out at it's updated now, yeah, because it's tomorrow from ses yeah, it's like dipinto. The ice cream of yesterday came of the future yeah, but it's like you guys have been around for too long. Speaking of the future. When do you get to change your speaking of here's? Here's the thing about all this he was disney was a futurist. I'm not do you see my face where i'm not excited about whatever you're going to do right now. Disney was this feature he had this dream of the future and this crazy massive idea, everything he ever touched. His whole life turned to gold yeah. I think that there will be a disney and space now. I think they said this. I think disney is the elon musk of yesterday. Okay, okay, a are but hear that though we didn't, we mention that in the was it in the test, labat episode or whatever that when we do colonize the moon, there will be a disney up there we might have. We might think there will be a moon disney moon disney. Maybe where were they suck the trash? Then you just shoot it out the back of toxide of the mood she a little trash and guy with his it's a it's a new ipos, my show he's listening to his ipop, pushing the air life button. There's an ipod up. There he's an to an ipod he's. Should i pod he's got his head. I o have not existed it's the black and why, with the headphone thing and he's just like hitting the button and it's all shitter yeah yeah anyways, i thought it might be a good chance to hear from our space corns correspondent, it's braceman dan. What o space him say: space in space. I knows a lot about the future because, as you know, us space is a s right now. Here's what i hate is that you've chugged this, dr pepper for this bit. The only reason you've been drinking a did, pepper and like napping, able to breathe this entire episode is so you can say whatever you're about to say right now and honestly, i'm trying to stall as much as i can, because i don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear what space tom has to say. So i'm trying to talk as much as i can to avoid whatever is about to come out of this mouth all right. He spaced him yeah! No, i i! I recognized your voice ban. I honestly thought we had a good transition to bring you up and we're talking about disney on the moon, but then tim didn't cut to you to the moon here. Yet there's not really much, but it's the late to morrow. Wouldn't it be up there space to him yeah it's twenty years ahead, but the moon disney is not forty years out. Okay, okay, okay, othere! You go yeah, yeah a so space to it. What do you then? A? Can you see epcot from there? Oh yeah beautiful? They got there, they got the space ship, it lolotte up real welli. Think the goths, the you're able to see what kind of lighting they're using yeah or sonlike ar way better than like, because it's tomorrow that makes sense that makes sense. Yeah he's the thing: here's the thing go ahead: lodise he had we space tim. Are you teaching me now? Is space team finishing the episode? No, i just wanted to talk. Okay with my future outlook, i can give us some good insight. Are you from the future? Is that what this bit is? I didn't you were to see in space, but everybody knows spaces in the future. What times or is space central space time, everybody cst? That's why a do you guys have? Do you guys have the time change up there? Does that happen? For you, yeah jet lag is pretty bad up here. We call it rocket lag yeah, it's rough rocket leg as you a rocket at the pace. You know, i don't know if you knew that anyway. So, let's talk about epcot, it's it talks about the city being something from like tomorrow, but they missed it because tomorrow everything's going to be on mars in the moon and stuff, because we're going to blow the though you're, surprisingly very casual for an astronaut like your or total voices. Just you know you're like very bro. That's the thing that thing that people miss about astronaut that weren't just a couple of boys bros up here. You know i mean i hate this. Can we disconnect? Somehow? Can i hang up on space tube? I okay space food, it's nothing! But pizza rolls and bagabos. A pizza rolls bagel bites and space babes. Do you guys have tinder up there yeah we do yeah yeah. What's your radius, it's pretty wide. I e praestet were an organ, so just about every hour were or something else. So you know so you know you know how you get how it is. You know i play the field cast. I play the earth, you know in the globe. Yeah you get it yeah, so you guys are doing tinder in space a ball. This is off the people mover i'll. Tell you what i think space to him appreciate every time you come talk to us, no problem glad i could yeah it's not like he's literally doing anything else. He's he's up there watching on, like he's onto there, watching anterograde the spartan movie yeah, that's what astronaut art pain is waithed every night on this a yeah and because astronauts are so efficient. We actually work sixty four hours a day as we watch the movie three hundred, which is it's about three hours, o watch it twenty one times a time day. It's because time is a real up here. Oh man, you're telling me it's three hundred a week m. Okay, that was such a weird bit anyways. So i've caught is a crazy idea, yeah what it have worked today, probably not i mean i think you probably would have been able to build it. Well, i don't think you were to work because you see how outdoor malls turned out. You see how like the idea for malls was that they would be a place where people would live and then people were like. We don't want to live there, yeah yeah, it's i think like there are lots as zonaras that cost more than my apartment and no one. Why would you that do you want to live above? Fifty? Fourth street, you tell me, you want to go downstairs, walk out your front door, get some boneless was and then go. I gonna low you to him. What you're saying to me sounds really great. I'm seeing right now was you could walk outside get some boneless swings, get on the people mover and move your people back to your apartment. Here's what i think i think he would have built it. Yeah he's crazy. I think he would have filled it. I think a bunch bettie, let disney live longer. He would have ruined his legacy. Genuinely believe that we didn't let him live. Are you saying someone was like kill that man but make it look like something else? Was i give that guy one cancer he's gotta go? No, he isn't an it does sound like we murdered him. That sounds like a murder disney. No, i just mean like. If he had lived longer, he would have ruined his legacy. Maybe absolutely pass very, maybe possibly very very much, maybe yeah yeah. I think it would have filled it. I do think it would have been tough for him to get a bunch of businesses to move their headquarters there and to be that happy about, but he was basically trying to wait for what silicon valley is, though kind of, but but with what he wanted to do. Is he wanted everybody who lived there to be test subjects for all the products which i which they don't want to do? Companies don't want to do that, especially with their competitors right now, but that's what they do in silicon valley, though i don't know if they do that at the same scale, we should do an episode on silicon valley because they do some weird stuff out there, but i think that's what you know he's he's idea was that that would have maybe it would that have worked out. I don't know you know. Yeah may so is his brain frozen in that giant ball. Oh a hundred percent. That's! Actually, the ball is brain sized. That's how big disney's brain wones out i just inflated it. I said for a man, this big is gonna feed, a bigger brain yeah. He was taking whatever that stuff. Joe rogan takes it as the day after roy was like. I need to inflate it o reals, underneath the go, thou and ones like really. What are you doing and he's like i'm insulating wat's brain for spatio birth? Why you call a space ship birth? Don't worry about that one day this will be earth, but roy wasn't crazy. What was as c, what wasn't great? We don't know. We crazy think he might have the was a little crazy. So i didn't paint out. We can watch the video somewhere else. Can we post pictures of the maps and stuff yeah sure? I think, because i'm fascinated to see those yeah, it's really interesting. I mean it's a very interesting idea. I don't think it would have worked. I think he would have done it. I don't think it would have worked the way he expected it yeah. I think it would have it wouldn't have become disney world. The way that is now yeah disney world is very close to not happening. If what live we wouldn't have disney world, which is interesting. What it's a very interesting thing to think about. Anyways! That's a epcot all right that, oh things on last night is a production of space. Tim media produced by christian taylor. Audio is edited by alice. 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Hey Man, what's up, have you ever heard of is a mouthful. The Dave Matthews Brand Chicago River incident. Is this an alien thing only of Davies as an alien but Dave Matthys Band Chicago River incident? Yes, yeah! Yes, what I said, I thought you were going to stop a dave, Matthews band and I was like how is this interesting in that war episode Brimont, I'm going to tell you something right now. Until I get through this story, you are going to have no idea where these twists and turns to. It's just keeps getting crazy, don't over hype, it don't over okay. So so what happened at the Chicago River Yeah? So on the Straggle River, I don't know if you've ever been to Chicago. Have you ever been to Chicago we've been to Chicago Multiple Times. This is my friend o the river? Oh, no, a little girl right. I you, but men, says: dump the POOP, they worship, the geese of the Chica's does dusted things. So you remember how like there's certain bridges over the river. I don't remember a thing about okay, so you bridges over just like over the river yeah o. Did you notice that a lot of those bridges are grated bridges? So it's just like open air to the ground, or I guess to the water on you. Remember that I do. I will now I'm just trying to piece things together, like I'm. Imagining Dave Matthew is holding a bridge concert for whatever reason right, they're, just like what's doing on the bridge or so next week will who didn't quite make it on the bridge they're just around and they're like I'm on a bridge, you know, and then the bridge collapses. No! No! This is worse than that. Oh Geez, okay. So, yes, I know the great that you're Tilney have the greater bridges. So, on August eighth, two thousand and four Dave Matthews Band was playing a set of shows in east, troy, Wisconsin, which is not far from Chicago, so they got a hotel for a two nights, stay in Chicago here's, something interesting about the Dave Matthews Band that I never knew they travel with five tor buses. These are the interesting that I never knew. Not a single one of them is named Dave. Man Have Five pour buses, so probably because you know you get how many people are in the band, it's one its five, it's a a reach. Member yeah I go say some bands do that some bands are yeah. We did ORLEE making the level of income, because a tour bus is pretty expensive that tousand a day. I actually think that they're doubled up on a couple of their buses, because they've got like a hundred members. I was gonna say they've got they've got it's not a seven Ba, but also clue travels with them, yeah. Well, Esel. What happens is a lot of the like? The main band will riding a bus together and then the main crew, like your head, people, will ride in a bus together M and then they will charge her some some busses for everybody else's for other people, yeah M, so they have and they've got a lot a big band, a very big band. It's rather bridge fell, so there yeah, so they have five buses right, okay and they were staying in Chicago. For that the two not sae buses on the bridge. No, I keep trying to jump ahead of you on. I word incident does make me feel like it's an alien thing, though you know that's honestly, but go ahead. So it's August state t two thousand and four yeah five baces Ri, bunches, Olinto Chicago all of them go check in at the hotel. One of them is separated from the group. Nobody else is on it. Everybody else goes on O they'll go back into E. I thought your Serbie members of the band and then one member of the band is separated from the group and I I don't know if he'd call it separated from the group, so four buses, then cord of the hose buses, go to the hotel. Well, all of us is go to the hotel. Okay one leaves the hotel goes somewhere else, yeah right on purpose or do the bus just go. It was like Hey Phantom bus, just let act so they, the busleaves, the hotel and the only person is the driver, allegedly okay, and when this bus travels over the Kinsey Street Bidge, it's crossing the Kinsey Street bridge. At the same time, Chicago's Little Lady, which is an open air boat, is traveling underneath the bridge, and so this is let me let me pick the picture of Chicago's Little La Chicago's little lady is, I thought you were Tito. The little lady meant like the mayor's daughter. That's what I thought like the first lady is the mayor's wife, the little Chicago's little lady. I oh no, a little girl it let the little lady that is a boat. It's a boat, it's a charter boat and what they do. is they it's an architecture, tour of the city? Okay, travels along the river and it points out all the famous architecture in Chicago. Is it little lady or little little it's little? This is a very upscale event. It is care twelve hundred dollars an hour, see for a single ticket yeah. So ve I like to see the architecture, but I don't want to get anywhere near it. Can we look at it from the water, so this is like a very upscale torse straction. This has been ranked on multiple occasions top ten towards attractions in the world. Like literally, I look at Architecture and Chicago that builder Yeah Yeah to float along the river and pay twelve hundred dollars to see that builds in its to windows on it and then over here this building got got some windows ain't a pointed thing. At top this one, that's what is less wins less were in it. We countered one day because that's what we do. It looks like the same amount, but is less some of you re thinking. Do we just take a lap? That's because in the S, architecture was really. I mean their nerds man. I like that yeah yeah, so so this is a very upscale, okay, tors attraction and they do a thing where the bus is coming over the bridge little ladies underneath the bridge the same time, yeah as as it now is Dave, Matthews tour bus got his face and stuff on. It is one of those tour buses. I actually don't know, I don't know if they do, but I do know that this, but I imagine that that kind of tour bus would offend the cloud on the Little Lady, but I wish I could see the city without this Gaudy Bossin away. I wanted to see the architecture not dave. Matthews is his face on the side of the bus. Just it's the dame matthews revertor. Let's go see all the pictures that day fates in Chicago this is a Bas. He show that night was is a slide show of the architecture in okay. This is got that of her. I know it is just so I'm waiting for us the bus, the bus was actually the best belonging to the violinist. I I should say belonging. It was the violinists bus, so boy Tinsley is his name. Okay, the Boyd allegedly wasn't on the bus. Allegedly it was just the driver whose name is Stefan Wall. Okay, this is horrible. As he's driving across the bus or as he's driving across the bridge, he notices Hey, I'm a busy tour bus driver. We drive all over the place. We got lots of itineris. There's lots of things to do all the time right. The bridge I'm crossing over right now is a great at bridge and I have a full septic tank, and so he says no way. Let me just kill two birds with one stone and empty the tank. Real, quick and says he's passing over this bridge. He dumps, as he's driving yeah, he's just driving no way eight hundred pounds of waste on to this bridge, which is a graded bridge, and so it dumps down into the Chicago River below on to the little lady that is passing underneath at the same exact time and covers two thirds of the passengers and literally eight hundred pounds, a boat of boss, poop of bus did that pass and on us. That's why I for head go to the hotel because they weren't river trained right and so spotty train anyway. So I bus as is he moving as he's doing it he's moving across it's one and fifteen in the afternoon, he's moving across his grated bridge and he's like. Oh it's great this is he oh. I am never saying crop dusted again. I am one hundred percent. Only saying bus dust do Neti, just kept walking bus dust was dusted. I totally don't I bet at all. I thought you were going to say Dave bathes, which is da day man mates that but bus dusted, that's better yeah, so just drenched the whole boat or there photos of this. I don't think, there's I don't think, there's photos o lime. Can I see the boat? That's what I'm trying to picture yeah here. Let me let me get so. These are heady toity people who have paid twelve hundred. Imagine that, though, imagine you're not a hody twenty person right and you've saved up twelve hundred dollars and then you're going through looking at, like Oh look on the windows that building has and oh yeah and it's like built a cup in the sewage on top ye ye. It's not it's not Wa! That's! That is not a God. This is not designed. You are hang out on top of this boat yeah rough rough scenario, yeah, and they were like. Oh Man, if only we were Chicago was a little later. You know so we just time this thing: a Hor yeah. The timing is there's no way that at that feels intentional. You think they tried that I think Dave Matthews was like listen. One time I tried he just he's been trying to book a shelf, daland he's pretty womaning this boat he's like one time I tried to get on that and they were like you, your Dave, Matthews. So here's what I want you to do. I want you to be dude. I want them bus to poop on that boat and if it's intentional, that's pretty pomp rock. So he is the thing, so the Illinois atterir already illegal. He can't dump that there yeah, no he's not yeah you're, definitely not supposed to just dump that in the river yeah come on, so to begin with it's a legal act, but to don't but a one people of people, it's even worse. The only noy attorney general said that passengers aboard included persons with disabilities, aller, elderly, a pregnant woman, a small child in an infant and the filing. Listen to this quit as the liquid waste was bronical and color had a foul offensive, odor yeah they were offended. They were very offended by it. The liquid way sweet in the passengers eyes their mouth, their hair on the belongings and clothes. I don't like the first is God in my throat from that, and then it's fine. Some passengers suffered from nausea and vomiting. Well, of course you did you don't have to tell us that, obviously yeah you're be pooped on. Have you have you or a love worn, been diagnosed with too many advertisements during the till in podcast? Have we got good news for you? Our patrons enjoy add free experience and they get early access to content behind the scene, stuff, exclusive merchandise and access to a private discord channel. We we all are in it our producers and the hosts. So if you'd like to be a patron today and solve that problem, why don't you text till in to six six? Eight, six? Six? No, I do you prepare yeah. Of course, I held a baby. We or we your is like it was like I've not been to. I I on a dog prony. Now the closest I've ever got to be noe one. What are you even just said is phrase the closest I've ever got to be covenden. I barely missed it you're, not going to believe it yeah now he's at even I was that a McDonald's, a real story. I thought you were just doing a bit. I was MacDonald seven years on oon, okay, McDonald, seven years old in the ploy place in the play place, yeah just going up in the tunnels as high as I can, and then I come around a corner. All quick and there's just a pile- and I was just like- oh no- I was a- I was in Nashville Tennessee this weekend and at a Walmart I was walking out, and there was you know on in the wallar parking lot. There's a little brown thing on the her off. Didn't you step in one of those in San Antonio, when we were on tour being a dog poop. No, it was a human. You think is a human it I feel like I've ever stepped in human, certainly stepped in human. I don't think so, but I definitely looked out at this and I was like I don't as a dog that doesn't seem very do Antonio Human Poop does not sound familiar to me. Maybe I block that out in my mind, when you brought up Nashville thought Yo were going to talk about last week. You were in the play place at McDonald's in Nashville, and I pa had to go so here's the thing there was. Another incident will not another incident during the same incident. There was also traffic on the bridge behind the bus and so years later this never hit the news years later. Someone came forward and was like how was the car behind the bus. Let me tell you what I saw they were like the like: here's, the thing they're like it was a beautiful day. I had my windows all rolled down. Yeah me my husband, and it was a pregnant woman. She's like he was me and my husband and our todd, their son in the back seat and our baby inside me. The windows right on dose were rolled down and she's like it's been really bad. I had really bad morning sickness all the time whatever and then that dump happened and it just flattered because it because it was a great. So not everything went through the great and so there's just a P. I l that they drove through and it splattered everything up all over their car and into their car. Oh my ba the windows open, and so she starts. She starts puking all over the yes, obviously trying to drive a man. I know now in your car that wouldn't be a big deal. I I I have a payment, you know like. I would be on a paper. You know I'd be like. Oh my gosh. This would be honest if that happened to my car I'd, throw it away you a it already. Is that what we take I'll go go in your car right now, Dude is how it we take. We said Poop way to me. I know I just think that I was like yeah. This is people already think were like Middle School, humor you're. The Ly brought this story of Dude because it's ridiculous man so so far I've seen all the twist coming. You did not I. When is the thing after this happened? Nobody had nobody had any any idea. What happened because they didn't know, is Dave. Matthews bands bust, they just knew somebody drove over and dumped all to save Matthew Lit, take credit for it. An it's like. I have a public statement to make hey guys or does he say, listen, here's my demands. I've got four other Busar in the Fitz, Patrick Hotel E or demands. So we were, we want seven tickets to the little lady he's like trying to bargain for him a Dole. So okay, so they don't. So this investigation goes under way of them, trying to figure out whose bus was that which is a true crime podcast whose bust is that a bus due blut dust, the podcast we should bust the bus, bless buses, okay, so so they're to look in for the bus right yeah and they be hard to find you susy got. They got dogs out trying to follow the scent sore looking for the buzz yes, so I start looking for the bus, I should say nobody had any sort of like everybody on board. They all went to the hospital and they got checked out. They didn't get any sort of disease, show they just all that yeah they just it was just gross. It was just really gross yeah, they threw the butt away said I not fire and let it out into the e Michigan the like it's the lakes. Now a single tear old down their cheek. They still, they still take it. They actually they point out the bridge on the tour they said. This is where the Dave Matthews been this building was was designed by a French architect, shut, a dip, it back now to say a French name, so I just said Gibrish and then this bridge- and they say it like, like Bruno Mars's song, this bridge, you know you had that song. You know dis anyway, so this bridge is where dat they hold. Call Him Dave David Matthews, her two D, a forty twenty for that right. Then the newspaper the next day said horny toilers of the reels, okay, so so they're looking for the boss, they're looking for the bus, they were able using security, camera footage from a nearby gym to get the license plate from that bus. Okay, so they say: okay, we got them so they found that the bus belonged to another bus driver in the day of Matthews Pack, and so they try to check it down and he had an alibi. He was like. Oh, I was checking at the hotel and and it lined up and so they're like that's us to there's footage of me. Yeah he's footage me at at the hotel. It wasn't wasn't me and they're like but like, but what were the other drivers names m? No, I road dave. My name is Dave. This is Matthew, so so they did check that. Stefan wool was the one driving the bus on the tour, but he denied being out at that time. He said we were all at the hotel. Do you know what happens he's driving over the bridge? The bus driver go? Oh, you go, oh gray, that's not good! Like him him and the entire Dave Matthews came. He did was linnit. No, we didn't do that. Wasn't that did happen. He we were all a tour in town like we were all at the the hotel. Have you asked Tale Time? Where was her boss, yeah yeah, so they're denying it to the nights right right? Eventually, they were able to find on another security. Camera footage, an image of stuff on driving that bus and they're like this? Is You and his okay? I des like yeah and then Dame vates was like? Oh Oh. He really did do that and they're like great sweet, and so he got fired from as their tour bus driver. He also pleaded guilty in March two thousand and five. This was a year long investigation and Mary doesn't five what what do they charge them with, so he pleaded guilty to reckless conduct and disk discharging contaminates to cause water pollution. Oh yeah, because either way, that's you know both there or not that you can't dump that stuff in the river yeah absolutely so he was sentenced to eighteen months probation and had a hundred fifty hours, a community service and pay to final ten thousand dollars to the friends of the Chicago River, which is not an organization it yeah. I was on a just some people like this is my friend the river. It's just like you know it's a anti social O, just people who don't have real friends. They are just friends with the river, then them and there's another there's. Another group that hangs out by the Chicago River called the Phantom Goose and they just they worshipped the geese at the Shiyu 're, going to go like a like a superhero angle also that to protect the river they protect the river. So they then the Dave matty's band they donated fifty to the friends of the Chicago River. They're, look, sorry, but they said sorry. He only gave you ten tousand dais his salary yeah. They said, we've got a lot of money, left overs firing yeah, and then they also gave fifty Sandolas to the Chicago Park district. Okay, because they were like you, guys kind of had something to do with the river, and then they paid two hundred thousand dollars the state of Illinois as a settlement, because they sate in one and sue them and they're like hey. If you keep it quiet about this, if you need you two hundred thousand dollars, maybe let me speak in language might understand, he's the thing: how about you make this disappear and they're like we're? Not The you know, we're not the Mo right I'd like Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, love tilling podcast and want to support the show. Well, you can support us by buying till an podcast march and wearing it out in the wild. We have teas, hoodies, shirts and so much more in our merch store. We also have exclusive march for every single episode, but those are limited so make sure you get him. While you can text till in to six six, eight six, six to support the show. Thank you so much. So what was unfortunate for the day Matthews Band is at the time they were pretty outspoken, environmentalists, yeah, and so it was. I was a really bad look for them to be too like it's not like Dave was David. Divane was like go dump this in the river allegedly alleged. We don't know, that's true! That's true! A in two thousand and nineteen Steven Wall was a guest on a radio show what okay? That means he'd, be a guess of our podcast, but that's a different thing to we can get him. We can get it. We can get someone in Chicago. Some radio show in Chicago was like remember that time, Dame Matthews pooped in the river and this one was- I was on them and they're like kid who was seven years old. The time now graduating high school is here to confront the person who traumatized his childhood up next Steven, what Stepan, steet state Stephen Stephen Snappin, wool yeah, so Stephen World comes and he talks about the events of what happened and he was. He said that he just didn't put two and two together that what the but your Botta says, dump the poop was gonna. Do that? Well, no he's like we was like well, it's great he'll go on the river I'll, just wash. We were fine whatever, so he did do it on purpose, so he did to do it on purpose. So he got this radio interview and she is a bomb shell, okay, and he says he says I didn't act alone, the narrative up until that point was he was there on his own and so he's saying he was the fall guy he's. He was saying: There's other people president and he covered for them. So he didn't act alone. Why would you say that's so? Did he say those words yeah sees is like well, you know, honestly and- and I know ithis might be hard for you to hear Michael, because this did traumatize your whole childhood and you know you dropped out of elementary school be, and I'm really sorry about that. But I didn't act alone. Okay, who else was it it rhymes with save slave a so? He just drops he's like hey, I didn't nick alone yeah and the radio. The release of the radio show thought it was the dumbest thing little one. They literally made fun of him on Air. They were like no they're, like, as you did they're like you're, just trying to tell in a lame that often you, you weren't. You were number two in this operation yeah, so he tries to pretend like they made like the Dave. Matthews band made him the fog guy and he wasn't responsible for the scenario. A yeah and the radio show was like shut up the s like listen, e's been fifteen years, yeah you're known as the bus duster. All right just take. What does he do now can't draw in to her boss? I S Yeah you're not allowed to drip. I don't know what he does now, actually no idea, but you to find the buses a drive over bridges. Wherever we we get to a bridge, I got drive, we got to pull on her switch the driver, I don't know how to drive it either to its very iasion yeah. So one of my favorite things about the whole incident, though, was mayor at the time Mayor Richard Daly, how the press, to a DA little these dead Little Ladies Dad held a BRASCA conference and in the press crafers. He said this. The dumping is absolutely unacceptable. Yeah then he pauses, and he says I do believe I forny go. He says he pauses after talking about how unacceptable was he positive says. I do believe, though, the Dave Matthews Band is a very good band. What what they do so, except dumping is Los Pretty good. You know, like don't punish them on the music charts. For this I got their song on Napster and it's pretty good. They were like what was that he is like I I legally download I bought it, no hear we knew. Did you do that, but I mean guys the dump. It's not a good. Look, it's not a go. If you ignore that and just listen to the song, it's not much better yeah. If you ignore the dumping, the song is pretty good, yeah, so yeah. So after the investigations to find got charged, and it became this thing, that's sort of like a legend of Dame matthes in Chicago every time I comes to town, it's the the river incident. Every time it comes down, people were get up. Etat is there's a way. There's a memorial that someone said a oars has or that on so like a plaque out there, David, that's Matthews, hold on the me find a memorial. It's not! It's not well done I'll. Tell you that much okay, but someone o. let me see if I can yeah so is in August, two thousand and four at this very location, a d MB standing for Dave, Matthews Band, as if anybody walking by we'll see that thing. Do you be yeah? You know DB torbus dumped eight hundred pounds of Pooh on some people. That's the memory. What is it was, as is Hashtag never forget, has tag always remember is literally like a piece of Postero that the table, so this had ever for they taped and they taped into the the bridge DB. Tour, bus, Yep, wow, yeah, pretty rough, pretty rough, so yeah so next time year, Chicago, try to find that the Kins street bridge and remember how fortunate you are to be walking across it now, instead of on what was it Augtus August, eight, two thousand and four, that's a whole episode. That's it! Yes, it's a quick story. Oh Yeah, okay, you know, here's what's really interesting, don't fiddle them off yet, okay, why? Now you can? Okay, I just want to make the episode a little longer. I don't know like it just feels like cause it. We just got in this. You told me there was twists and turns yeah we get, we get them all. We got a M, it's a quick story, but it's a fun story, Defero. What is depend saying? I didn't act alone. Yes, Stephen said he didn't act alone. I think we could do a true cram podcast on this. We should do a true cram podcast by the way we should, which anyway so Dave Matthews. If you don't go see a pot does fetal Dave. If you're listening to this, there was a violinist bus, it was yeah, goes pretty deep man, anyways feddle, that one off things are done. That night is a production of space, Tim media produced by Kristian Taylor, audio by ous, Garnett, video by Conter, bets or graphics, and Ar Logo by Caleb Goldberg, and our social media is on by Kelaba our host, our JERN myres and Tim Stone falls on your favorite social media platform at Tillin podcast. As till and podcast remember, to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I have on last night

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Ham, man, Oh happy holidays, hey how the gun! I fear, I feel cheerful, why? I don't know: Okay, Hey man, Hey! What's up, have you ever heard of Sana? No! This is a good one. We already did the episode about him, though now we did yeah remember how he's red and his horns so the little weird tail yeah we did Satan took a break and then did Sanna. We did Satan mice and Sanda you're telling me they're different. That's the that's the really! What Christmas is all about. Seeing my licence sat. You know the three wise men, okay, so Sana Santa Saint Nick, Oh so you've heard of them. I've heard the tails disclaimer. If you're listening to this episode with your kids, stop just like the disclaimer from the sand, Satan episode, Teaou, Your Kids, stop! If you listen to our podcast with your kids in general, chill out on that you, if you don't, want your kids to know the dark side of saint o'clock, I make you get out of here, things's, pretty accurate. I'm glad you made that disclaimer yeah me too, because some people rely pretty upset if you're an adult, hey o. We were, let's have a conversation, real quick yeah conversation with Tillin I'll, never forget. I was at a table a chill like dog. I was at a table very similar to this one. When someone told you the truth, yeah I sat down, it was I it was very similar to when I was toned up. My name wasn't: Tj came home from school, a e at the table and they're like Tj, and they sit down your parents back down with you they're like sit down. We the have a talk, and I was like- and I was like I like. I know my name's not Tj, and they were like. No, it's not about that to so like this is about Satan. Sanna Seh is the deal if you're watching this. Is this still you your as no Okaya this and you're an adult or if you're, listening to this and you're an adult. I have some sad news that we need to get out of the way from the front. The SANA that you know in love is a by product of Coca Cola. He was a marketing tool of the use in the S and s to sell more Coca Cola. Sorry to ruin your life yeah he's, not the presence. Your Dad worked really hard for, or your mom wow rely yeah. I'm really glad that you went the sex is bad or your mom work really hard for that. You get cancer, this guy from your church or some other couple from your church. Oh okay, it's o o rating gifts. Somebody we rounds like your dad worked hard for the E or your mom or some guy from your church, and I like all right like so freeer year, but you wending your family and be like listen Deborah. You need a man who can provide gifts for your kids and give credit to Sanna. These are from is humble enough to get credit to sit San. I would like to take you out. Why do you think your mom loved that Song Sang a baby baby? Okay, so anyway, anyways not that that's out of the way. So Sana he's got an organ story: Yeah he does and there's probably bits and pieces. Every villain does there's bits and pieces of it you've probably heard of before yeah. But honestly, even looking digging into this there's a lot that I never heard and there's a lot that I'm like, oh well, that's how that just kind of turned in or flood it became sure just like Satan. This is actually can be very similar to the Satan episode perfect. So I guess we should begin really putting your degree to work. Yeah Yeah! I guess we should begin with saying it in the Old Testament. No okay! So Yeah! Where do you start? I think the best place to start to Saint Nick. So if you don't know, the story of San Nick Sat nick was a dude in the fourth century and he was that's way longer ago than I I thought, hm what part of the World Myra North Carolina or century North Car. You know year three hundred eighty three Ul beach. No, he was he was born in or he lived in Myra, which is modern day DEM re that if you know where that is, but it's a town in in Greece during the fourth century, he was born to parents who had prayed for a long time for a child because they couldn't have kids and they ended up having him. So it was like this real miracle baby yeah. They both actually died shortly after his birth of totally unrelated reasons, and so he became an orphan and was raised under one of the local priests and the priest talked about it. He's like he's like it really was. I don't have an explanation for how it happened, but he was just a great kid like he was just the priest talks about it. He edidit today, you try. You know it's good kid. I think a a yeah. We talk about the priest talks about it. Well, I mean the priests like Ron stuff down. Okay, they had es he sent to people that like got things I like a Nicholas so nick. He had a pretty big inheritance from his parents, though, and so when he be carfree get the inheritance to I mean I guess well I mean I get they do now to I guess at least in four century Greece. What kind of inheritance I don't know exactly the hair. How old is pretty big? I don't know how old he was. He was a child like a young child when his parents died got the inheritance when he became there. This is your house now and he was like he was like cool. Can someone explain utilities to me again? I don't understand the fourth century. EANT CAROL A taxes. I don't get the taxes thing. Okay, I get, then they just take my money every year and they don't do anything. That is it's always work yeah. So so so he gets the inheritance, but he was always kind of the kind of guy where he was just like humble and he didn't need nice things, and so he always was kind of like. I don't need this inheritance, so he never really touched it. Okay, but there was this local family. The guy had three daughters, but he didn't have the money to marry them off and in that culture the father had to put up the money to make them off. They got married and no wife was good right. If they couldn't get married and the father couldn't put up the money to marry them off, then they would go into slavery. That was kind of the two options for women and that day, and he thought that was wrong. He didn't like that and he knew he couldn't change the Sissone Nick Yeah. I well he's not saying yet yeah just Nicholas just Nicholas just okay, so regular nick regular nick. He knew he could to do that and but he also knew humiliating for the father if he just gave him a bunch of money to pay for his daughters, and so one night he just snuck over to the house and tossed a bunch of gold in the chimney. So that way that one of the daughters could get married, and so that happened and happenstance they had a bunch of their socks hanging up to dry. Next to this chimney and the gold fell in the SOK o o by that on that part, I don't buy that o the next morning, an hotoke you're telling me this guy shooting gold through the chimney and hitting ten out of ten nothing but sock. Are you kidding her and I'm sure there was gold all over the floor too, but there's such a sucks. How was enough to marry her off, and so then they started praying he just marry one of them. Please he's! Oh because the father has to put up the the fit has to put up the money, and so he has tiles. She was still like that you know okay, yeah yeah, so the father basically had to buy by to marry your daughter pay me baby to do it. I'd like to be your daughter, that'll, be fifty an here's. Here's my invoice. You know you can I mean I take. I don't take checks, it's two thousand and twenty one yeah, but you can cash at me just scan my qr code. Here you go so the daughter got married and then he started praying and like at the the Var the fathers praying for the other daughters to be able to give like wow God. Please send more make it Rales and lane gold coinsdown into my socks, down my timney's and so Nicholas. Does it again and again and pays for all three daughters to get oh by literally throwing money into the chimney while the third time he does it he gets caught. Somebody is like he wos, like he neeme we've heard about two instances of you throwing golden chimney or doing a true crime podcast. We Are we're trying to figure out a host in the Golden, the chimney you know, and so so we were ordering. If you be availe for an interview, real quick, we can jump on a new, you you're, being recorded you're, really it right now and it's four hundred all right, the three, the fourth it there's a guy over here with the Stone Tab just is like it could be real hard to get this in everyone's riss yeah. No, I knew I was being recorded. I can hear him a mile away, you know, guy in a super sun jumps out and it's like mutual combat, there's another guy over a different quarter. Also chiseling was like and then he jumped down and said you tual combat, but the user vs, and that's how you know. As the fourth century moves know, you know that the Phoenix judge jumped out of the fire, Sara saying the US are vs. you know how they call you get in and know how they couldn't do round in to use they could it they just didn't these. Were you yo know that, okay, so anyways to say, nick or first, who drew you, they freaking paraded him around. Oh, my gosh, so we're got out that Saint Nick was throwing money down people's Fuca fire to me. Everyone was like everyone's walking by on town they're, like they're they're, opening their socks hopping on one leg, just like a I mysse would hate is some goal fell in here you know. Well, what happened is he would, on his birthday every year, go around to all the kids and throw gold wherever I y new kids live just throw golden the chimney for the kids, and so he was just a friendly dude. He did en kid birthday would leave their shoes and their socks by the chimney to in hopes of catching the gold in their socks, which I mean just pick it up, but it's what ever I I well if it's as e floor, it's bad luck for a year at gold. That's that's! For Gold, that's fog! We can use it! That's how snobby everyone was in the three hundreds they're like, oh that's or so his legacy outlived him as being this dude. who was just incredibly generous. He always given stuff away. He ended up becoming a saint in the Greek Orthodox Church, and then there was the sixth of December became Saint Nicholas Day, okay, and so they always would celebrate and what people would do as they would give gold to their children in their socks under the fireplace every Saint Nicholas Day. Okay, so it was kind of a very a cold yeah, very early precursor to you know. It was really weird bad times that sometimes people w l get gold coins and it would be like why they flip it over and they go. Are you disappointed on the back? So you disappointed that this isn't real gold I'll tell you what is real gold Jesus Christ? It's like! Oh, you know those fake hundred or bills, fake gold, so Martin Luther this is this is silly man's goal. They didn't know the word full yet so about a thousand years later, Martin Luther during the reformation yeah is like everything. Catholics got to go, and that includes Saint Nicholas Day. That was in the on his reformation papers. Yeah everything yea is ninety five CS, PCS number. Ninety three get rid of Ta Nicklas Day out of here a yeah replace it, and so he moved it to Christmas. On the two thousand and fifteen of it yeah, he was like he's like well celebate Christmas on the twenty fife decent. When did they get Wenti Christmas start being on twenty fifth December? Well, we're going to get there, I mean we can jump into that right. It's a different topic. It's relatively similar! It's Edi! I was going to cover it. Okay, okay, do sorry about it. Do your little lesson plan or whatever. Well, this is perfect. It's a perfect chance to get a little pig in perfect a perfect pagan moment yeah. This is perfect, Pagan, Pagan, yeah, I'M THE PERFECT PAGAN! Okay, so I here's the deal. Everything Christian is Dolin from Pagan Religion, yeah yeah, actually very accurate because they were like it's basically like how. Basically Christians saw people doing stuff and they were like that's Christian now and they were like wait. What I like? No, you can't listen to music, but you could listen to Christian Musa. So basically what happened was like. Does anybody know what the Christian alternative to Christmases and the guys like Yeah I've actually got a poster over here, both Rismas, I in the Christian alternative to Christmas, actually you'll be surprised. They call it Christmas before it. They did. Oh, and so this poster here you'll see cutlass is the Christian Slip Knot and a cur? That's as hard as I ithout, even in Christmas anyway, third day, the Christian nickel back. Yes, they are it's so an so. There was a couple of Pagan religions. Read is the Christian creed? I think right that isn't he Christian with arms, Wide Barn? Have you or a love on been diagnosed with too many advertisements during the till an podcast? Have we got good news for you, our patrons enjoy, add free experience and they get early access to content behind the scene, stuff, exclusive merchandise and access to a private discord channel. We all are in it our producers and the hosts. So if you'd like to be a patron today and solve that problem, why don't you text till in to six six, eight, six, six! You know: okay, so s, some Pagan Holidays, so akin holidays, there's a couple of them in December in December sombody how under the winter? So is. Oh, my God, I don't know you should prepare for some of my question time. Okay, so there was the winter. Solstice was a thing yeah a long time, and so basically it was the holiday in the northern countries. Okay call in the North Countries, for if you want to say north but shorter, nor you're too lazy to say nor a bunch of the norse norse country. Maybe it was north the whole time and someone has had a lisp well yeah, the North countries that tracks we go by north o t about norse s. We conquered you so it's north. Now there was the midwinter of that they called Yule and so you'll try to get you all tied from and part of. This was the father in the summer. They would go out in the woods and they would get what was called your lock, which was just a big log that they would light on fire all Christmas. Well, all youll perfect as they could see because they were so far it last the whole time. Well, here's the thing it was the winter solstice and they were so far north that it was that time of year where it was dark forever, like the suddint, come out, that's right, and so it's a really weird season because they for them, especially at that time of the world you had the sun, doesn't come up for months. It's super cool because it's the winter and then also you're, very superstitious so and everybody round, you believe and go a and s die from the races. It's super cool everyone around he's, getting diseases or dying because they're super cold, yeah and the sun won't come out and so that time of year, you're like this is evil. There's evilness afoot and it happens every year, and so they would light the logs on fire and use that to fend off evil spirits. And then there was this idea that there was these gods like Odin that were coming and protecting people or killing people and and evidence by here's, the guy who died and here's a guy. I was just thinking I was like how do you know if it works? Oh yeah, they died. Yeah, they lived interesting that everyone who did the right things got anyway, and so it interesting little side Bar. There was a cult of Mithra. The cult Mithra. Have you heard of that? So there's this. I think you've heard of myth roll at s same thing. So this is a very interesting, almost all side, tangent, okay, I don't know enough about it for us to go super deep into it, but there was a I real. The dark, the Iranian God of the Sun Mythra had a pretty big cult following and an around the similar time of the year. What they would do is to guarantee their survivall through the winter basically and then ask and also ask for favor for the following year. They would go to this celebration where there was this giant idol of Mithra, which was the god of the Sun, and this God was honestly picture. The fiery furnace from veggie tales with you had a giant chest that just opened up, and you threw your kids in there and said they sacrificing their kids yeah. They sacrifice their kids to this God to be like here's. What I want for this year or help me survive this winter. Here's my child, how many kids did people have back then enough? What you could throw summer one away for every year, and then how do you decide which one yeah I mean it probably worked a lot better than the cold for Christmas thing, yeah be good or I'm throwing you in Mitres is well. We have high expectations as a family here, what's really interesting about Mithras, for this discussion, two things one: He wore a red hat with a little white boof ball at the end of it interesting little, poof, ball, okay, and to here's, something that so very very predated Christianity, but he this God Mithras. He was the god of the Sun and his role in mythology and I'm shaky on the story line, but whatever it was, he died for the sins of his followers and he rose again three days after okay, very odd anyways. That's all I know we all wearing a poof ball was o fat and people were in accepting child sacrifice in his chest. Give me I oh that's darker now like yeah, we go. Take our annual pictures with Mittra one less kid: every year I watch the YouTube mythra bass pro he orated. I watch the Youtube video actually, where a guy was like raging about Santa. He was very mad. You can tell the way narrated it and he showed a bunch of pictures of kids like crying on Sanna's lap yeah and he was like he was like. Why do you think infants always hate Santa because they know they like he's like he's like they can sense the evil. In her look at those moments, trouth now mom mither a sacrifice, your kid outside of J C Penny. So so they took okay. So there's a little bit of a s mythology. They took some stuff from myth, rest and then they just Chile, Little Oran of Sane, Dick! Well, here's what happened! There became this teaching of. In Finland there was a guy named you Lo Boki, you Lubo. I believe, that's how you say that. Why do you sound like you're talking to a baby right? Now? You believe here's the translation of that here's, the translation, Christmas, goat, Oh heck, yeah de that's what they called Sina the Christmas go well, and I don't really understand why but he's the Ulupi, which is a I'm calling sane from now. Is it a creepy? Looking goat? I don't think so. Let me pull up a picture. I imagine like the goat from no last I, which movie was where it's just like this. Is the Christmas goat he's like red eyes and he's like is it's honestly? He looks at very similar to SANA. Okay. He just got a longer beard, like he's still wearing all the same. Clothes he's just got a longer greater beard, it's like of Gand off and saying now we're one person, okay, I've seen so I call and thin he's tall and thin too also so, okay, but he's called a goat yeah because apparently he turns into a goat on Christmas. I don't really understand yeah, but it's a hard way to find out that you're, the next one. You know it's like it's The t Tim Alan Movie For one day he wakes up, but he looks in the Mer and he's he's tired. You know he wakes up his grog an we up, he's shaving his little goat, but he's like winsie. I don't. I don't have a good tea weird longer than normal shaped yesterday, he's a got a little Bir, but he's that sound weird goes downstairs, makes breakfast throws the breakfast in the trash eats the plate right just bite and random stuff right gets in his car he's like well hold on it's like, because you can't sit. Yeah he's trying to full he's, got full just extend that's when he made that's what he realized realizes something's Nowright I sat down and his horn got stuck in that little handle in this car and he's Oh, what the Oh in the litle full o that still never realizing what happens gets all the way to work right. He walks on. I was like you poky he's a quick talking me like that. I'm a grown man, then he sits on his computer, tries to type he got hold dude he's like wow, I don't em big is difficult. How are you now realizing you're, a goat, my guy? Oh my gosh, and then a little Elf shows up that's when he realized something was up so over the next few years and by next fees in me next couple hundred years, yeah, that's how time worked in history. I was just like. I know some time years there was a Babylonian exile. Yeah people were celebrating Saint Nicholas Day. Parents were giving gold and eventually just like toys to their kids yeah on Saint Nicholas Day, Saint Nicholas is ne, now been moved to December twenty fifth by Luther Yeah, because he's like he's a K, we're not Catholic he's like really not Catholic, and there was all these different names given to him based on the country they're in so I was like basically translations, so you got center clots, which was Saint Nick, but in Dutch you had you Lu Pooki, which is saying nick, but in goat and then obviously at Saint Nicholas, you had Christ child. Let's see, there's another one around I hear somewhere, I don't know it doesn't matter but sit les. All these closes yeah all these other SOS things that sounded like Santa Claus until eventually, because history is just one giant game of real life. Telephone, yes, yeah before the telephone, when the telephone came out there like the wee slice er, what do they call telephone or is you know that game's got a been around? I mean? No. I don't think it came out until Christmas. What yeah, okay so go ahead, so anyways. So in eighteen, twenty three there was an author who also he wrote a couple things. It doesn't matter. Okay, he wrote a couple really famous things. It does kind of manner, but I'm not going to talk about him. What he did talk about. What in was his. I was the night before Christmas, Oh and kind of night before Crout, this story of Sana, yeah show or not. VERSO was stirring, not even a Yuki Po. You Lo Poky, okay, you look, I don't know what I said You keep pooling, and so so so this new story of a yeah. Yes, sorry, just a really weird picture of a Pretzel midsins O stop your brain stops functioning for a second because and then you followed up a sorry. I just sorry. I just saw a really weird picture of my Pretzel. Are we do we doing a podcast episode right now? This is the least professional thing I've ever heard. Let me see it is this gonna like a dude if it's just a normal Pretzel, I'm going to be really in no what it, what I'm pulling it up home? Is it an advertisement? No there. It is his a weird pressel right. I guess now weird enough for me be like hold on. Let me talk about this. For a second s, the thing is that they, okay, you got to save that. So Connor can put it in the video yeah. Whatever okay, I would you, Google imaging something and that's what popped at. How did this okay? So this? What happened? Is that your search history? Do you search? Did you get on there and you searched Carlton biceps extra, ten, Weird Pretzel, so here's what was going on? Okay, let me explain this. I don't, I would love for I do so one those ght hundred and forty five o o no work. I would mean to explaind the wine beat laying again: okay, okay, a new name for San a had a rose called Chris cringle, okay, and the reason for that was, I think, a marking campaign to sell pretzels, because cringle was another word for pretzels, so they just tried to coo, and that was what the cringles look like. was that picture I hadn't clicked on the cringle with you gain it. I was like well, we know two things about our business right. We are a Pretzel Making Company. Well, they call them males. We were kringle creators, green creators, yeah and we're not Catholic yeah. So we need a mask God, that's definitively, not Catholic! And Oh what about that? So? Where about that Uli Pooki, we can work with that. You work with that. What? If we're the same was Chris and he gave everybody pretzels crinkles. Sorry Chris Cre Chris Cringle, better than Chris Pretzel Rename our pretzels crinkles. I think that's what happened? Okay, but anyways yeah that I had T. that's how you got to Oncet page for cringle picture of us at that really weird cringle. It's a weird crinkle, okay, crazy, crinkle, crazy, cringle, anyways. All right that makes sense. Then yeah we can cut it all out. So over the next like a couple dozen years Saana, it is taking a lot of different forms. He is well keeper other they can use that for marketing, because then everyone's got a common myth year, a common legend yeah there. There are so many religions around the world that are so things more popular, big foot or Santa. I guess I say Sana, but but also yeah may move should start a pull, because you can do the thing if you're over in another country that doesn't celebrate Christmas. You still know about book foot. That's true! It's very weird to me that adults are like yeah yeah. I understand how Saint I worked, but big foots real. You know I mean: Do you not throw out thinks get off this, whatever? Okay, so so saying all these different, I'm just thinking they're common legends, yeah that people all over the world now. So then companies can start to figure out like kringle creators, cree companies- yes and go. Everyone knows about this dude exactly and so the holidays from Star is o holidays. Had Him, but everybody who would depict this Chris, cringle or SAIC character would depict him differently. It was almost always an older guy with a really big beard, but sometimes he was tall and thin. Sometimes he was short and stumpy. But honestly, if you think about it, that's all you need to identify a Santa Claus. Now is a a big white beard yeah, I kind of it a large man and a red suit. No, you don't need the red suit well back, then they didn't have the Rusu either a lot of times it was green. Sometimes it was red, but the poofy hat was always a feature and gray like and the the almost weird bathrobe thing was always a feature he gar cloak yeah. Yes, yes and he wrote a sleigh which is something sat. Nick actually did he wrote a sleigh around and he had a couple dogs that pulled him in this way. What which I guess was like a normal form of transport? Oh okay, for cars, now here just on my sleigh, which also can go, there was a pagan myth. I forgot about this: There's a Pagan myth that apparently there's a fresco somewhere where her a similar Santa like adjacent figure in a Pagan Myth. I don't know which one it was, but one of those earlier ones like the Yulie, okay, there's a myth where he gets pulled by snakes with wings in his slave okay. That was not the direction I was prepared for you to go like yeah, okay, so picture this Ol make it this Samians right here: slay brows gold and people's chimneys mixed in their socks. Every time also pulled on a sleigh. I like yeah, I'm tracking with you. I see a with this by snakes with wings, yea winged, snakes, winged, winged, winged snakes. Yes, yes, so I don't know, I can't remember which one that which myth that is, but it's some myth with this ancient God that gets pulled on this, lay okay slaves pulled by winged snakes, which is very fun. Oh Dad! That's something I I that's lither. Some people think that that's where that came from is because they were flying snakes that were dragging in a sleigh. So some people are like why eventually morphed into flying rein, deer because they were easier to stomach that yeah yeah and that's how evolution works to everybody. Now they spray from snake, you get it yeah every reindeer starts as a little tiny snake. That's why they lay a case. That's Oh! What so so so saying a over the late eighteen, hundreds, okay, look like a lot of different things. Yeah. When does he get defined? Well in the probably about the e s he starts. Showing up at shopping is not that long ago, no, not okay. In N N E D Net, he starts showing up at shopping malls with guess what flying snakes? No, no weird pretzels, no, no close, both by fiery called hen to sacrifice children. What do you? What do you talk about? All of these guesses, very, very close reindeer, no, the Salvation Army, so he was above San, a the king, the Bell Guy. This makes sense. Okay and in a e n y out, so did the Bell Gris even up until recently weren't they didn't. They have to dress like Santa Claus. I don't know if they just like Santa Art, they just dressed in red chrysos stuff. Maybe they did Jess Lic San, I don't know, I feel I guess an I feel like they said they were saying us had they now and it. Someone was like I care about this, but not that much you know so, all of a sudden they were like all right, just say: Hey. Would you stay up there for a couple hours O ring this bell? Is this a Manila? I do you remember this Alex to a the dress like an is yeah. I think this is a mafet. I don't it to made. If I I just fact, I think it is changed it over time just because they had something I were like. I like it's, not a Mandela infect to go. Oh yeah, remember when Shrek was on the SHRIK movies came out and new Mandela and hines had green ketchup. Do you remember that, and all of us are just like yeah there's, no one is run down. No one is up right now is like no. No one of this group is like you're making that up. You know, I remember them dressed as flying snakes, not a single person is not a Mandela effect if it was if it happened whatever so Saina was out there collecting money, which is you know what I er. I remember your name being TJ before and you're telling me your name. Is Him this whole time new man o that's a bad de effect right there so saint as used to be the salvation ARY people which makes sense because they've they cooped that yeah. What's ironic because, because Sana he like, you know how Sangit gives back to people, what, if you gave to US exactly yeah they're like a I yes say, nick threw money at other people. What, if you throw money at him now so Sana became the Saint Nick Guy and then what they noticed was hey. All the kids are coming to the shopping malls and the Christmas season to chin, see yeah to see Santa, and so they rely taking pictures back en they were taking their tragic fixtures in all these families are showing up and they guys a guy with the hood out there. They got a they're brain, a Cavis. They got a guy painting, the hey, we're excited to part with a new APP called wisdom, and it's all about learning from experts and mentors and that's why you're here listening to this episode is because we are your mentors. So if you like, learning random stuff from us and have enjoyed what we do, please join US January. Fourth, at two PM central time to join us in our first live session. Where you can interact, ask questions. We also have a really special announcement, we're making exclusively on the wisdom APP so download that APP join US January. Fourth, at two P: central for that special announcement and also maybe learn some stuff. So thanks and the like saying a stop smiling and in the painting they're putting the salvation or a little. Can I oh my gosh, but can you quit moving your arm for a second, so we can get a good stop an he jes like I'm supposed I'm supposed to be ringing. He's like you're, actually not supposed to stand by me this long, it's freaking everybody out scan. You guys leave soon, so he so they that's how ventriloqua started to a. They were smiling for a portrait wakers right and they were just like I'm getting really good at I'm getting really good at talking and not moving my face it. Well, I'm getting really good at talking and not moving my face for these strictures yeah and the guys like. I can tell that to you. We hear what if I had a puppet, Oh yeah, what about dish so so they started bringing Sanna's inside to meet the kids Yeso. The kids could give them give Sanna a letter and say hey. This is what I want. This is what I want for Christmas and then all of a sudden things just went from here's, some guy who gives some gifts some times to Sanna. He lives in North Pole and he has an army. He brings all of your gifts, yeah he's an army of the elves and he travels the planet Yeah One night does at I'm saying for that to not even be like for that to be eighteen, ninety yeah right, then the night, the nineteen hundreds really took. That story interrupted, and I mean it's like when you know what happened, though? What is that little children are annoying and they always ask the question why and so parents were just like I yeah sand, a brings his gifts. Why? I don't know it's when he loves it? That's it brings him life. Why? Because he loves seeing kids happy. Why? I don't? I don't know: Why does he get the gift o? Why there there's a lot of em in the north of pole yeah and they all work for him? Why? I don't know, do that ENA dream Al, have a choice. I don't know doesn't seem like they're born they work in the workshop. They die all right, that's how that works for generations. A grandfather worked in this workshop. I worked in this workshop. My kids work in this workshop. There's no life outside of this workshop is Santa Unethical sure you know. Do we get paid in housing, but it's gone on housing and comte yeah how's it made of gun drops every once in a while gold falls down our chimneys. I do I we get all the floor, gold, it's it's literally chocolate gold. It's wrapper, disappointed or Carter to make more toys. What do you think happens to the way? Here's? What is what happens to the kids that we sacrifice in the first? They were re born in the North Bowl to make toys for kids in the future. Man. That's why I did so an to think we're trying to colonize the moon. We could colonize another or North Pole ad, save those elves. So in one thousand nine hundred and fifteen, where were you born? I was born in one thousand nine hundred and ninety four in the one thousand nine hundred and fifty so in one thousand, nine hundred and fifteen. What happened in one thousand, nine hundred and fifteen white rock beverages, we're trying to sell mineral water. Okay, say said: Hey, let's get Sana to sell our mineral water and they just them in a red and white suit to sell the minimal water and they said hey this work great. Let's have him, sell our Ginger Ale and now worked really good. So pepsy was like hey. We can do that too, as she was like we like you, what you did with mineral water m, so in the in the S and s they ran a an ad campaign for with SANA drinking pepsy, real yeah, Yep Yep, and then because I was a coles which beverage do you associate with saying, yea and then Coca Cola was like wait where the red brand Giros, like you I go like- were the R, the ones with cocaine? Wouldn't that be or thing so they just kind of took them and they started and they joke Santa Clo just took an a CAS and they help marketed everybody else and o yeah. We are, I mean, so you Sana, I mean and the philosophy for it, though, even back to the white rock Beverage Co, they said people don't drink our drinks in the winter. They said they're getting hot COCO and they're getting edes they're getting warm drinks like we need people that s the old, oh, they could at heatthen better than a hot loves hot ICE. I seeking with it creamthine he makes us live in houses of coming drops and we only get hot Pepsi A it's. Your Steve, pepsy frost, Pepsi Boileau, it's cauldron of Pepsi here you go they as no more peps, but if you boil it, it becomes that weird black liquid right very very day were like shoot. People are heating up our product. Let's probably get her of that. You know, don't heat it up, don't worry about yeah! I don't worry about what happens when it's hot okay, so coclea they were like in the winter time. We want people to yeah. The Co Cola was like yeah. We want that too, and they're like what's throw more money at this than everyone else and tell everyone thinks we came up with this yeah and it worked. I guy's great idea. Didn't I see a Pepsi Commercial? I will literally pay you to never say that again they said: what's Your Dollar Mountain? How met in this in Da I'll marry your daughter, we'll marry all three of your daughters, wait, say we yes, company, Colcothar Yeah, what's your daughter's name, Mary she'll be married. Tokay will pay us to do yeah yeah that will be sixty. Send Mary Coca Cola you're going to marry Mary Yeah Mary is getting married to Cocacola. This is Mr and Mrs Mary. Cocoa Gary is also Co. Collis, first name yeah, okay, so anyway, so Mary and Mary got married. A lot of people think that Sana became right because of Coca Cola, but it was actually that white rock beverage. They turned a lot of people like saying I was always wearing different clothes yeah like, but they defined it. I find it red they like. We need to pick something and they picked red and then pepsy stole it and then Cook Colestin and Co cal put more money towards it than anyone else. Isn't that the way it works and this era, the twentieth century, is the era that it really took off, for, I think a couple reasons: one capitalism and consumerism. I'm really do that's. What I'm saying is like you, you can define an image yeah. Well, I think the biggest thing was the whole holiday kind of revolved around this idea of there's a generous person, who's, giving gifts to kids, okay, and so everybody for years was like I'm going to get something nice for my kids at Christmas time right and capitalism and consumerism said by everything yeah. You have to buy this, for you go into lots of debt every year and they just heard your kids with Hot Coca Cola, wake em up with a part of Coca Cola and that's the pagan connection to mithrus yeah. Now we throw into the Caldron of Coca Cola yeah, he coucal the culture so and it just exploded. It was such an opportunity for marketers to just kind of steal this and make all these campaigns yea as for free, and they still do it and still he yeah sat as driving a Lincoln yeah, exactly yeah. So all these all these companies kind of started to dictate the mythology of this character because as they created their ad campaigns, and so he started drinking milkin cookies, he started drinking Coco Cola, all this different stuff, and then you had a film and so now, all of a sudden we started coming out and now all these new interpretations of sand a that had never existed, started coming out like an things like ten millons of Santa Claus. This way later. But so all these different, theatrical filmed thing versions of Sana yeah I started coming out and influencing the culture and, like each film, was kind of picking and chooses thing things for no previous one. So eventually, like you get to the s O s, you have this full on storyline of who San is and what he does and even miss claws and what she does and the flying snakes didn't make it any the marketing meetings yeah everyone's like. I think we need bring the snakes back and they were, like, I don't know, just give them the same names. That was the snake's names you I don't like is that the Santa Claus Series Turned Jack Frost it in the even the not clamation, but the the Te Alon, no animated. What what is t Rudolfi Reindeer and like frost this to me that this Colinton you got it Ros or be those were not clamation. Those reclamation is different. Yeah, those were a hundred percent clams were not claiming anyway, they make Jack Frost like ould like a villain and all this stuff. You know anyway yeah. So all those guys to kind of dictate the story of USANA was sure, and consumerism really played one of the biggest parts. And now it's to the thing where it's like it's kind of its own monster like it did. It did kind of form in really two parts to half part, Pagan, Pagane, sure, half part. It's pretty wild to me how quick things can like in the I s, the Salvation Army picks up this Santa Claus, character, yeah and then now we have full back stories yeah. I know I mean it wasn't really just that one thing like over so yeah yeah, but I'm saying like over so much time and then for it to accelerate the way that it did yeah, and I mean that is honestly that that is kind of as American y. You know I mean that solution right there that yeah, that's the twenty century, yeah like Er everything did that accelerated so fast, and especially with consumerism and marketing and capitalism like things just moved, really quick, because the quicker you could define something as something marketable quicker. You make a lot of money off of it. Yeah things move so fast like technology and coved cases, and all that you know, like things, just accelerate cars. What we're already on cars? Three cars for a series so fast I feel like Jesterday, the first one came out so is on honestly, though cars as a series. They took their time with cars. To now cars three was just garbage, but between cars want and cars to there was a good six year gap there. You know they didn't pump one out the next year, yeah yeah, like Trolls, the movie anyway go ahead, so yeah, so so Sana became this became what he is today. He became a part of the the MAS thanksgiving, the parade to usher in the Christmas season, a guy actually just asked if he could do that, he was like he could. I just so like San a an I be Santa Claus, yeah, that's what they were like who he ahes like. Well, you Le Poky, it's kind of hard to explain: I'm not going to do the whole furnace thing, but, like it'd, be fun yeah. Have you guys ever seen Cop Pepsi before you guys, like? Let's talk about it over some hot Pepsi, so anyways WHO's got hot pepsy, and now it's I mean here's the thing you hear a lot of people talk about Sana and Christmas and honestly a lot of different things, and so oh that's pagan. That's too Pagane for me, no that's to Pagani for us, here's the thing it's also a Christian like, and it's also all these other things there's also Coca Cola. Yeah. It's also cocacola. It's also, it's also the Salvation Army. It's also admiel water yeah. It's all these different things. Nobody owns Santa Claus, yeah all these different things, kind of melted together and got nixt what it is. Now this isn't you? Oh my gosh. If you really look at yourself deep down, there's a Santa Claus inside you in all of us. You know some metaphorically orphaned person who, as a rich inheritance, that you're supposed to give to other people around you so take that joy. You got inside stuffining your neighbors socks, I tryin so hard definite. I was trying an I. my point is a lot of people. I pintin can't celebrate Christmas because I got pagan backgrounds. We can't sell it Halloween because got pagan background. Here's the thing. Let me tell you the way church services are organized today is Pagani literally the Constantine borrowed everything a mad tims, getting right now about everything we pegasius. Okay, he's my he's. My thing parents are like you can't watch Harry Potter. It's pay could be yeah well. So I lord of the ring, is Your Coca Cola Ma? Have you ever heeded the thing yeah? You Know Chris Christian MOMS love to harp on, saying it, but they're jugging diet, coke, here's, the thing my point is really just yeah, it's Pagane, but it's also a Christian. It's also a lot of other things you can't and and at the end of the day, it's you you get to celebrating some people still think he's a goat like you can decide when you want to believe it. Sangeet ng Christmas is not celebrating a Pagan holiday like you're deciding how you're celebrating that what you want to do with that. You can't accidentally be a pagan. You can accidentally worship the devil. Interesting, it's not it's, not an accident, a like! Oh! I don't want to do that because I don't want to you're thinking, Jus, the heart posture and the intention matter. Yes, so it's with the same is true. You can't just do nice things, but if you're doing it to be seen as a nice person, that's not a nice thing, yeah yeah wow, look at you! You Really Youth Pastor! This whole episode, didn't you yeah. I did you really turned it into a guy. What's inside matters and what's inside you is a Santa Claus? Well, anyways, there's a lot of controversy about saying a because it's lying to your kids, their whole life and then there's actually a lot yeah, there's a lot of parents who don't do it because they like well. If they find out, we lied about Santa and the Easter Bunny they're going to think we lied about Jesus yeah, there's also a lot of parents who are like well if well, if I'm going to hi all these presents, I want credit for it. Yeah the other parents who are like listen, let's just get in the car right now we're going to drive down to Georgia and have a fiddle off with Santa and like no it's. I think it's. I think it's it's sating, but you can't prove it's not. Things are done. That night is a production of space. Tim Media produced by Christian Taylor, audio by as Garnett video by Conteret, our graphics and Ar logo by Kalu Golberg's media is on by Kelaba our host, our JERN myres and Tim Stone falls on your favorite social media platform at Tillin. PODCAST is till and podcast remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I have on last night