Count of St Germain – Time Traveling Vampire with Eternal Life

06-21-22

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Hey, man, what's going on? Oh, nothing much. Just introduce the topic. Tim All right, well, I was just trying to but then you interrupted me. This is I'm just summarizing the first two minutes of every episode we do. It's not even close to true. Have you ever heard of got that tattooed on your body forever? Yeah, I did. Is the cool it's just a little bomb. It's like the it's it's actually I think it's the bomb from from Super Mario Brooks. Yeah, so I knew I saw that. Why did you guys it for those Boosa, I think that's what I'm like, what did you that was impulsive tattoo. It was Friday that thirteen. They were thirty bucks and this was one of the ones that I was like hey, now looks cool. We're gonna like put in a explain. You were like doing crooked and a couple weeks. Yeah, it's like he's running down my arm, oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, well, you already here, folks. I'm back into lives slow decline. Yeah, you were here at the beginning, so congratulations. Congratulations. Yeah, there is an interesting phenomenon yes that I noticed that you and I were talking about you can hear the wind come out of our sales if you listen through the whole catalog. We seem so excited about life at the beginning of our catalog of the podcast, but then as life goes on and we got punched a few times, you can tell like we're just maybe you, I like my life. What are you trying to say? I'm not saying either of US don't like our life. I think we both love our life. We're just realistic now. Yeah, I think. I think we were just bright eyed like Oh yeah, sh out a call Oya. Know, we're the whole. We're dead inside now, for sure. Like I think there was just a period. We were in our early s. The world was our alwayster. We were excited. We barely like had anything go wrong yet. Yeah, and then now it's like, Oh, like we realize my right was three hundred dollars. Of course, I was so happy, you know. I mean, what are you talking about? Now we have like now you know what it is. It's now we sound responsible. That's what it is. I don't think it's that we sound sad or that life is over. I just think it sounds like we're adults. I think there's a genuine thing that happens in your early s. You you go through college or whatever you do in your early s, everybody kind of has this figuring out phase and then you kind of go into real adulthood life, and then when you step into that, there's like this, there's this this twinkle in your eye and you like exciting because you all these dreams about what it's going to be like, and then you experience it and you're like this is harder than anybody's. Yeah, gonna be yeah, and then at what point does wife demoralize you so much and tear you down and just beat the heck? Yeah, that you just impulsively get cartoon characters tattooed on here. Well, point is that? What? Wow, small gradual port is that? What? What pathetic? Point? What pathetic? Well, you know, man, I've been thinking lately. Roll the title sequence. All right. Have you ever heard of sound art? Hold on, just cut this part. We're doing the theme song. Still. Actually put this over the five, somebody. This is the Woll it things I learned last night. I have you ever heard of Count de Saint Germain? What say it again, Count de Saint Germain, or account of St Germain Day is a vampire. Yeah, well, this is a vampire. Technically, is a person people think is a vampire. Yeah, yeah, that's actually well, I want to say they think this versus. What is it? A vampire? Well, I mean sort of. Some people, some people act like he is. I want to say he's a vampire, like he's not, technically, like there's no such thing as vampires. But what Aliens Real? Yeah, what an idiot to believe in vampires. That's so ridiculous. But this is why aliens don't talk to us. It's what we believe in, stupid things like vampires. So here's the thing. He's not a vampire count for some say vampire. He does some pretty vampy things, sampy things, I don't know, bro, that's Super Vaby. That's pretty vampy. Yeah, I don't look at me ors. That's pretty vampy of you, dude, and I can't really the last time I saw my reflection. Dude, I would. I was some friends to pizza hut the other night and I was like, you guys like the little garlic butter stuff and I guy was like aren't you garlic? And I was like that's that's baby of you. That's so vamped. There's a guy who was like man, if you take that piece of wooden over there and stab it in my heart, I'd probably die. That's pretty vampy. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad that you mentioned that. You would die from that, because it's exactly what I was thinking. You're doing. I saw the steaking. Were here, thanks for the war. They also yeah, he just calls me, he calls it a piece of wood. Yeah, that piece of wooden steak. Yeah, yeah, that's wild that we kill people with steaks. And they were like, yeah, because he died, that means he was a vampire empire. Yeah, if, if he was a human, he would have you would have just also died. You would have been less dead. He would have died a little Joe Count of where St Germain, St Germain saying kin. Yeah, so this is an interesting guy. He was a real named Jordan. I'M gonna be honest with you, I don't know. We don't have a real name. We don't have a real name for him. There's a lot of that's pretty vampy too. You. Yeah, that it's very vampy. There's a lot of just mystique around this guy. He's a real guy. We have historical record of him actually living. Okay, he's estimated to have been born in one thousand six hundred and ninety one, oh whereabouts. Fish where their guy, and then he died, theoretically, if there allegedly. Allegedly he died in one thousand seve hundred and eighty four, when he's like ninety. Yeah, so pretty long fruitful life, even for vampire. But here's the thing. So his life, he's he did a few things, he dabbled. He was kind of one of those renaissance man's, if you were man's got it, and the son's men sounded weird. This is the man's room. Excuse me, Miss can you play me to the man's okay, so he did a few things, okay, including alchemy. He was pretty involved in obviously mixing chemicals together and he's pretty involved in Alchemy. Tell me about that new guy you've been seeing? Yeah, he's just really into alchemy. You know, I love humbly is. I've never seen him check himself out in the mirror. He's got this like Cowlick, right, so he's like hair sticks up in the middle, but he just never knows and he has this really weird lisp. But I dude, that's one thing people don't talk about. Vampires got to be ugly as heck me because they can't see themselves. They can't they can't put themselves together. They have really wow, I didn't even think about that. That's how you know. Next time you see an I say you see someone that you're like that some vampy stuff. Man, bro Anytime I see someone with something in their teeth, like I'm hey, you got a little piece of human flesh and your teeth they hey, I have something to tell you, but any just stay really far away from my neck Clo tell it. Yeah, you got something in your your you know, you should have seen that in the mirror. Man. Well, back up man, who? WHOA so he was interested in Alchemy and pretty renown, renowned for it. Renowned, yeah, now and well, I mean if there's no hast tense of renowned. Renowned, renowned. Yeah, pretty renowned for it. He and he would travel around and do his little alcocos. I don't know what that is. He was traveling. Yeah, he was traveling the world. He well, Europe do an alchemy and people were amazed at the stuff he did. He was also involved in the arts and he's actually a pretty accomplished composer. He has, oh, let's see everything. I would know. Six published Sonatas. You know he wrote Paparazzi. Yeah, Pop Papa, yes, his yeah, a lot of people don't know that was a cover. You look at the yeah, you look at the credits for that word. He is. He's the guy from what's that show with the Oh, Yeay, the show with the rapper. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was talking about. He's the guy that's always like yeah, it's like in the background riding everyone stuff, but you know that's really that guy though, right, yeah, I know he really does that. That's why I was referencing him. Okay, anyways, so six Sonatas, eight Violin Solos and then for English songs, which is a fairly another genre. Oh, yeah, it's an English song. Gott a music to you, right, oh, English, English, it's English, you wouldn't get it. wors song. Yeah, and then like, Gosh, like forty Italian Arias. I think I'm saying that. I don't know. Are you? Yeah, I don't know. If there's any. You would know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what's I don't recognize anymore in here. Op for the made that's made for love and me. What the made that's made for love and me. Made that's made for love and me. This a Lovin with an apostrophe. Loves like and that's that. Guy's like love and three centuries ahead of his time if he's put an apostrophe on love it. Here's my favorite one, op seven. It's called when he saw my Fanni's face. What are you looking in at me, like just looking at Alex as we look at you, trying to figure out what op means. It's opera. Okay, I don't like the way you said it. It's opera. That's an English opera. anyways. Yeah, so he he wrote a ton of music and he was very talented, sure, and he played a lot of music as well. It was an accomplished violinist, but this is one of this is not what he's famous for. No, he was also a scientist. Knew a lot about just like I don't know how the universe worked. He's also he's a scientist. Me, I knew a lot of stuff. He could that. You could ask him things. Do you know it. I mean it's really good, really stuff. Yeah, about the university stuff. Yeah, you would ask him and he knows it. Yep, he's like, I know that, that's something I now. So he was also a polly map. He was just very intelligent and he knew all how to do a lot of stuff. He had a lot of different skills, but he's famous for he has. There's kind of a legend that surrounds this sure, I assumed. Yeah, I think. I think here's what happened. He would travel from town to town and he would show up to these high courts of like all the the realty in that area. Yeah, so he just walks into the case of the king, to some big ball and everybody there would be like dressed to the nines, like in all their linens and whatever the rich people look like back then. Yep, and they'd be doing their thing and he come in and just like rags, and so you would stand out like a sore thumb. The thing is, people would eventually begin to gravitate to towards him because he was so intelligent and seems good at science. He had he had like that that gift where he could just kind of what are they called the gift of Gab, where he could just kind of talk and Schmooze people, and so I don't. Okay, you don't belong and then he started talking to him and be like tell me more stuff, and like you belong here, and you go, it's just a made made fool of him. You they were like yeah, like so you look at yeah, they're like. They're like hey, you don't ball along here, and he's like do any of US belong here? WHOA? Yeah, Dude, that guy at a party who's so it's so annoying. Do we ready to somebody and that you're just like, like, how's your day going? He's like, well, I don't even live by days anymore, you know, I just live in the moment, and this moment was pretty good. And you're like, I want to burn the house down and leave you in it. You know, I love you. Enjoy that moment. Yeah, well, you're gonna have some rough moments ahead. My friend, last time I ran to work guy like that at a party, I just like I said, you're that's vampy. That's a pretty vampy thing to say. Well, yeah, he was pretty vampy because because people would just gravitate towards them and he tell him about Alchemy, your science or music things. He was into all these things. He was good at like a lot of people do at parties. But here's the thing, here's another thing that's really straining of the party. Playing a violin, but he's got like a speaker next to him. It's actually playing the violin. You see these people outside a target? First of all, that's what you know. If you see somebody outside of like a rass or a target or a Walmart and they got a violin and that violin is playing along with music, they are not playing that violin all right, and you should call him on it. You should walk up and say, I'll give you a hundred dollars cash. Yeah, I'll give you a hundred hours cash if you can play a B flat scale. You just walk up and just put your hand on the strings and do it. If you still hear do it. Yeah, yeah, he just he would walk up to these castles with his violin. Make a whole Youtube series on that of me your fake volume, like fake violinists. Yeah, it's called the unvamped UN. Yeah, he would. He walk up these castles, he throw rocks, at the windows and then he'd hold his violin above his head and then play this song that he he's say anything and anythinking. I he's riding on a cow. That's the law more back then. Right. So he's riding on a cow, writing gotta just holding up the now. So people were just gravitating towards them and listening to all the stuff he would tell. He tell these fantastic tails, but one of the more interesting parts about him is he's wearing these like peasant rags, sure, but all over him, all over these rags and his shoes and like in his hat, are just real diamonds just sewn into his clothes, like he but dazzled his rags what with real, authentic diamonds, like legitimate, and people are like, Oh hey, look at all those diamonds that guy has on that really awful shirt. So He's wearing what are those jeans called? I don't know. I think the girl from your high school they're like randstone Gyeah, and she would always be like you're dumb. You know that girls talks like that, and she was right up. She rose at the puffy jacket, to the puppy jacket with the with the fur around the hood is at Rock Revival Maybe, Oh, I don't even know right, but it's always got a weird smud the brain on the back pocket. Yeah, you know, it's like it's like bells out of the bottom log or something. Yeah, you're telling me those were vampires. The whole time there was a something stupid like Carissa. No, no, it's always a Carissa or a crystal Megan. Crystal Megan Meg in the vampire make it. But it's got that weird silent agent it, you know, talking about M J and Dude, if that's your name, I think you're vampire. I think you're that's great, vampy. Go to everybody you graduated with that fits that description. Yeah, I'll just send him a message and back here are you have? Hey, I don't know where to no, like hey, how's it going, or how you just hey, are you going to try to into it, like the way the es central oils people do with the like hey, girly, you know, and they try to be like hey, I haven't seen or like someone who's like will for us. Girls do that to girls and they try to Locom into like MLM's. Yeah, guys do that. Two guys that they try to like bring them into their like financial portfolios or whatever. Like. Yeah, D does work for a financial planning police. Would love to help you set up your investments. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I know, I would love to unfriend this whole thing immediately. And so, but anyway, not know you anymore and they always reach out and they're like hey, man, really like I just love following along what you're doing these days. Anyway. Have you talked about investing? anyways? Yeah, I've got some investment opportunities for you. So he's great idea for smokeless cigarettes. So this guy. So He's where? But dazzled rags? Yeah, ryanstone rags, and remember that. We'll get back to rhinestone vamp. Well, remember the Ryan Stones, because we're going to come back to that in a second. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or if you're watching on youtube, leave a comment. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers were triplets who were separated at birth, unbeknowns to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in an episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one. But he's chiling around from the kingdom to kingdom and making befriendly a disco ball walking right look at like a really raggy disco ball, Disco Day and over here and he's rolling in and he's meeting all these people, making all these he's important friends. Oh shoot, is that where the whole thing like we're vampires are sparkly? Is that where this comes from? Today is ruin the end of this because, like that's interesting. I don't know the whole thing about how I don't know. I was that just a twilight thing, or is that like a vampire? I don't know why I ask Alex has if you would knew. I guess I assume that Alex would know about twilight. But like in twilight their skin is sparkling yes, that a twilight folklore, or is that like a vampire folklore? Vampires outside, that's whilight, have sparkling skin due to there that time prophety Myers being like, you know what, two thousand and eight middle schoolers would love just some spark coli skin due to the crystalline properties of their cells. When a vampires exposed to sunlight, their body will spark. I hate you're reading. This is if it's from a medical journal. What the heck is that? Due to the whatever of their cells? I hate the your reading is. It's like a legitimate source. Everything I can find is just talking about twilight. That was from the twilight wiki. Yeah, I know, if that was like a thing that you know, I don't know. Maybe it came from this guy. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah, and so he somewhere on the along the way, net Voltaire Oh who obviously is a very famous everything. He did everything, and he's super famous for just ripping other thinkers to shreds, yeah, and acting like they're really dumb. But with the count of St Germain, can imagine how he would do in the current thought leader area. I would love to watch Gary V and Voltaire go at it. You know, v Versus V and I would just love twhich me. So, I mean, like, you know, he just gotta like picture you, Bob, getting sure you, the person you love the most, getting shot in the face and then voltaire being all like, Whoa, I don't know how he's spoken. Wha, you know, boo him say anything stands about. His head plays a speaker would anyway. So Voltaire talking about count of Saint Germain. He actually had really great things to say about him. He's he said he was super smarty, called him the wonder man. Well, he knew a little bit about everything, or like that, and he also said, he said, he is a man who does not die and who also knows everything, which sounds like sarcasm to me. Interesting that you would bring that up. You know that he doesn't die. Yeah, it's that's an interesting tidbit to where they yeah, so maybe that, maybe that was a good point to talk about a little bit of the timeline of count of Saint Germaine. Traditional wisdom says that this guy was a, how do you say it? A con man, right, because he would go into places and he would act super intelligent and tell all this stuff and be confident and then people would love him and he get in their inner circles of important people. As far as we can tell, it doesn't seem like he was selling anything. There's not. Yeah, I don't. I can't find any record of him going around and selling stuff. But he was that. He was. He saw it himself. Yeah, he was getting into these circles, setting fishes of being part of the circles, producing his sonatas and stuff. So maybe it was helpful to get into those groups. But he had friends with literal kings and Queens. Where his friends? Those were the people he wrote rolled with, and he wasn't one of them, right, but he got to be around him. So here's The ethology about Saint Germaine. The timeline goes back to about six hundred BC, when the count claims that he received the staff of Moses from his great grandson time of Cyrus. And we have alon hold on. What did you just say? This guy claims? Yeah, so the count of Saint Germain, yeah, claims that in six hundred BC. Yeah, he receives a staff of Moses. Yeah, who's he claiming this too? Well, he got it from Moses great grandsons. But but he's claim he's just, I don't know, toelln somebody like that that stayed in the family for that long. The staff of Moses, you know, I like that. This was just like, yeah, that's my great GRANDPA's stick. Yeah, it's like in the corner of their house. Yeah, that's the stick that my grandpa says that he like turned into a snake and, you know, like open Oh Shan up with or something, I don't know, I don't know. That's right, and read it. Yeah, I mixed my coffee with it. Yeah, I with a staff the little tiny cup and just you have to fullbody move. You can't do your arms, you gotta like full torso just it's like it's like almost as wide as the cup. It's like literally, like what it's really harks every time I put my staff into a coffee, saying spilled coffee don't cover spreads. Yeah, that's how he's put the sea he talked, you know, is bigger than it him. Yeah. So then and then in like three NBC as a missionary in England. And then if this is stuff that he's claimed or people have claimed about him, that's what's murky, okay, is it feels like what happened is this guy told a lot of really fantastic stories about himself and everybody in Europe bought it, and then it was just like yeah, everyone was like yeah, he did. All these people don't know. Why would he say if it wasn't true? Yeah, why would someone like this guy invented lying? Yeah, that was actually what he's known for. That was the first time anybody lied here. Like he fought it. Yeah, he discovered it as a scientist. He's like, yeah, he's very smart. He's like, wait, I can just say things, I could just say anything. So the mythology grew around him and it's honestly tough to figure out. Is these are these stories he told? Where is this everybody else who met him embellishing upon the story of the myth of the count of in three hundred BC, he did what according he was a missionary in England, okay, and then the story goes dark until about one thousandre hundred a D, so like sixteen hundred years there. Yeah, where he lived in the Tower of London under King Edwards Rule for about twenty years. So that's cool. And then the fifteen hundreds he spent time studying chemistry under Francis, the first of France, at some point during those years. That's a point. And then in the s he did all a lot of forts little one thousand six hundred and ninety one. Huh. Yeah, overachiever. Yeah, and then he meant some important people and then in one thousand ninety five seventeen hundred was living in Venice. So that was now he's alive, and then he was arrested and taken to Vienna. And anyways, there's a lot of rest of for why. Probably we just found out that you lied, sir. That's a crime. And so he kind of lived this life side Ward. He's going all over the place, meeting a lot of people and everyone's amazed by shuting the stories tells, the things he does, and then his alchemy career begins to blossom and he begins to talk about how do you make more career out of that? Or I don't know. You go to the Chamber of Commerce, right and you open up and alchemy to regulated business. Obviously you open up the alchemy shop and then you scam all your neighbors and to buying your chemicals school. So one of the things in Alchemy in that era that was super popular was this mythological item called the philosopher's stone. Have you ever heard of it? It's in Harry Potter. You probably heard of it from Harry Potter. Okay, and the concept of the philosopher's stone. Historian said it was my great grandfather's stone. Is Your great grandfather a philosopher? Know, he was Moses his brother and they you know, where the poem you know, when they were kids, they used to hit their the neighborhood kids. Moses us his stick and his brother used the stones and the kids started chanting sticks and stones. They breke our bones, the words will never hurt, you know. And then their third brother said you show my pass and it was a whole thing. Words heard him, you know. Yeah, that's interesting. No, Joe, no, the philosopher's stone, the philosopher's done. So the philosopher's stone was this mythological item that all that alchemists were like, we need, because what it did is it had some unique property that allowed you to term any material. Yeah, I did, of course, into gold. Yeah, obviously, and so you could just kind of rub this stone on it and then it'd be gold. I guess was the idea. Okay. Well, he claimed to have figured out the the properties of the philosopher stone. He didn't really claim to have the philosopher stone. He's figured out how it worked, how it worked, and so he could turn anything to gold or anything. And so he would turned tin into diamonds. And so he's like, I got all this foil for my sandwiches, I'm turning you out diamonds. That's what they use. And he'd stuck it to his clothes because he's like, look at all the coold diamonds I got. So that's wrong, you're telling me from all the diamonds on his clothes is just crumpled up tin. This man's walking over with tattered clothes and Tinfoil, these time oil, and look at my diamond. He's just walking in saying things like, you know, the government's letting tigers out of the Tigers are going to be our new rulers, and people are like, this guy's saying some crazy stuff, but we have to believe him because no one's ever said anything untrue before. He's like they're going to make a tiger, that there's ruling over all of us. Is going to be that the tiger king, and so one chow the tiger kings are coming and wow, as time proven true, you know. And so he crumpling like he's just figured out to make foil. You make it a little dimly. have diamonds that US doing a quick trick with. I mean feodically clear. He made diamonds. He made diamonds. Speaking of quick tracks, there was the trick that he pulled once where I wasn't going to tell this story, but now we are. He there, I don't know, happen upon a dead dog somewhere, and so he brought it back to life and the dog jumped up, ran in a circle, embarked at everyone and then fell over dead. And someone was like, I'm not write that down, and so we've got a record of that apparently happening. Interesting, which to me is like, I mean, if you're gonna heal a dog, he lies right after kill a dog twice. Yeah, it's like it's like that wasn't helpful, like what you just did. I'm not impressed, like I'm a little an look at what I can do. It's inhumane. It's pet abuse, is aren't you impressed? HMMMMMM. So, yeah, so there's anyways there's a couple things like that, as a couple things like that. So he he he met, he was meeting all these people, okay, traveling to all these different places and doing all these amazing things. Well, one day he's at this court in England and there was a duchess there who was very excited to see that he entered because she was like, wow, he looks just like someone. I dog just died. This is perfect. I've not always prayed for just twenty more seconds with my dog. My dog just died and I am really low on diamonds but I've got a lot of foil dogs and diamonds LLC. So she was excited to see him because he looked very familiar. He looked like someone she knew many years ago. She's an elderly Duchess. Oh. So she came up to him and was saying how he looked a lot like this other man that she had known many mini moons in the past. Okay, and he said, Darling, that was me and yeah, he recounted all the events of the night that they met and the experiences that they had together and she was blown away that he remembered and she said, how do you still look like you did. What's your sad day? Then she said you must be ninety years old, and he said, which is a famous quote from him, he said, ma'am, I'm very old, and then he just walked away. That's right, twitter bio. Maybe I'm very old, very I can't wait. What ain't you allowed to start saying themself? You know, yeah, I'm very old. I love old people. I love old people who say stuff like that. Now they know or they're just like, I'm old, very old, like raise great grandma. Every time we go over there, is just like well, yeah, I'm probably not going to wake up tomorrow. You're like what, you're fine, you're fine, you don't be yeah, that's you're write your name on some stuff. That's so. It's like, we're that's so sad. So, yeah, so, and here's the thing. It wasn't just voltaire who had things to say about him. Sure Moses also this, all the step all the staff. Yeah, we found staff. He signed it. Now, Cassinova said, of and he said he's an extraordinary man, and he would say in an easy, assured manner that he was three hundred years old. He would just talk about being ma'am. Good three hundred years old. And then here's what he said. He knew the secret of the universal medicine and he possessed a mastery over nature and he could melt diamonds. All this, he said as a rest rival to him, I don't know, alcohol. He knew the secret of the universal medicine. Then that sound like you all about beer, but that sounds like someone who's just like is a cocktail server who's just like, Yep, I learned the secret of universal medicine. You know what a little yes thing's called shakers. They's called Shakers. I think so. I don't know what they're called with their little sure, sure you know? Yeah, so, yeah. And then there was catherine the great of Russia. M apparently, allegedly, he was a part of a conspiracy that put her on the throne, and so apparently he was involved in the whole what you was at? Who that put her in power? In one Thousan, seve hundred and sixty two, so this is during his life. Yeah. And then in one thousand seventeen and seventy four, this is a little eerie, he met Louis the what is that fourteen in France, and he told them. He said, Hey, there's gonna be a revolution fifteen years just be careful. And then fifteen years from them, you know, well, yours is super famous. Revolution one, seventeen, seventy four, wow. And so he predicted it. And so I leted some people to think he's a time traveler. That event, and also the fact that he's like forty every year. Yeah, so that seems sketchy. It's sketchy that you we celebrate your forty birthday last year and you'd still says forty on your cake this yeah, but then every suburban white mom would be a vampire yard because they're all still twenty nine. You know, only twenty nine. That's my twenty nine. Again. Hey, don't say that unless you freaking mean it. Okay, don't lie. Don't lie any right now. And so then then he lived the rest of his life in Hamburg, Germany, where he became friends with Prince Charles, and I was a guest in their castle and the ones where the one that's still alive, Prince John's. That's pretty vampy, but it's a pretty vappy big of him. Be Queens, do you think the Queens of empire? And she's pretty old maybe I may'am. I'm pretty old and so and that's where, according to local records, where he died on February twenty seventh, one thousand, seventeendred and eighty four. But the the legend of of do we know cause or death? Or did they bury I don't know, death. Yeah, they buried him, I think. I don't know. The according I see is, according to records, he died there. Let's say that you don't age right. Let's say that this is how you look for the rest of your life, but your wife does. Yeah, at what age you go? This doesn't look appropriate anymore. We have to is that a point where you're like, we can't going, we have to part. Yeah, I know we're both eighty, but you look at but you know and I don't, and I look forty and I'm getting tired of the I don't know, slander. May Way people look at me. Mayham, you sorry, what are youse are hey, what dod you start calling your wife Mayham? Will you please do that? She's so mad. Yeah, but like just like see how long it takes for her, like I bet the first time I said it she'd be like what I think I said yes, dear once and she's like, don't talk to me like that, that's fretting, weird. Oh Really? Yeah, because she was like she's like a she feels don't have like she's like that raids. Huh, you guys don't have romance. I think she's a film mygree's like that feels like a weird, like submissive hub husband. It's gross. And Yeah, you're also, you were clearly obviously are, the big man protector type. So that's what's that's what drew her to you. was what she heard. Just rugged my massy. Yeah, that's exactly what it I said. I told her. I said, Ma'am, I'm very rugged, Mayam, and she believes me. Still does. Mayam, you got any chocolate milk? Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at till in podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sort to perks, like ad free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers, so we'd love for you to check that out. All you got to do is text till into six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. That's till in two, six, six, eight hundred sixty six, but thanks again for checking us out. Here's where things get interesting. Oh, after this, he's dead and normally allegedlie. Normally, at this point in the story it'd be over. But, as you know, he's very old and it seems like he just continued, because records of things involving him continue to be in the books. And this is where questions start to arise, because if you look at the story of this guy's life up until he died, you would say this guy was a guy who was pretty good at art and was relatively smart, but probably just moves a lot of people and was a bit of a con man. Yeah, I'm lied about a bunch of stuff, had a big personality, kind of skated his way through life. Yeah, yeah, and made a lot of really powerful friends. Sure. Well, what happens after this is either he created such a persona that the mythology carried on to a point where everybody had to continue talking about okay, or he's still he lived forever. Those are the two options. People, a lot of people, lied, or he's still alive. So in one thousand seven hundred and eighty five, what would this be? A year after his death? Anton Mesmer, a pie like the the first hypnotist, like the big guy who was like I can hit this, cool, the first guy who like I can do and then I don't know, guy to do the way, what do you say to me? I knew. Excuse me, I know this talks. Is mesmerize these guys. I will do whatever he says if I can understand it. He just out and said he's like. He's like, yeah, I'm counts of Saman Germaine, I'm the Count of saying to me, Oh, but which, if you're a person a year after the death, are you after the death? Which is the thing? If you're a person who is period doing hypnotism for a career, I think it's fairly likely, especially in this day and age where you're going to make up something like that to make you sound more credible. So this one of me, sure, branchsing not super interesting. Right. Here's one that's interesting to me. George Washington. George W Bush, here's one that's interesting to me. In seventeen, eighty five, again, a year after his death, the freemasons have a record that show that St Germain was a rep at a convention that they help. Yeah, it make sense. Seventeen, but that's the best the freemasons. I feel like that's a lot more believable to me than you. Trust Mason's over hypnotis where do we draw the line? I think it's far more believable that this guy was a freemason then he that's for that that I was lying. freemasons been around. We should do an episode about them. Yeah, that's a good idea. For a long time, longer than this. And then in the eighteen one joy in the s seem, Margie Jermaine, apparently took on another identity, and so there were these memoirs. This is if ties is forty years post alleged death. Post alleged death. Yes, okay, there was a buybe a guy by the name of Albert Van Damn who wrote about meeting a guy who had a striking resemblance to the count of St Germain, who went by the name of major fraser, which sounds like you're making that name up. Major Fraser, Major Fraser. What's your what's your name? Major Free? Sure, okay, I will believe you, because that's what people do. Yeah, lying is still so new, I feel like it could trust. A lot of people most of the time, still make up ups, are still sorder they have. So here's a quote from that guy, Albert Vandam. He said he called himself major fraser, lived alone and never alluded to his family. Moreover, he was lavish with money, though the source of his fortune remained a mystery to everyone. He promised a marvelous or he possessed a marvelous knowledge of all the countries in Europe at all time periods, and his memory was absolutely incredible. And, curiously enough, he often gave his hearers to understand that he acquired his learning elsewhere. Then from books. Where your Thos Uf, you will never find out. It wasn't books. Where'd you know that? One Month? You what, haven't picked up a book in years, you know. Well, they didn't help. We're listen to podcasts. Yeah, not books. And then he said many of the time he has told me, with a strange smile, that he was certain he had known Nero and he had spoken with Dante and so on, and so he's like, he's like this guy was just confident that he had been around forever and knew everything, not from books. But was he in the military? There's ways major, or was he saying his first name was major? I think it was his first name. I'm not my name is major. And then he just disappeared without a trace. Nobody knows where he went. So That's interesting. And then in one thousand eight hundred and eighty some someone, the s the theosophical society, which was led by Mystic Helena Blavatsky, which is just you pronouncing names, held up Blah Vat's key. So I got you. Know, you sound like is a a person who's hired to be the announcer, like Adua Coach Pitch Baseball game. You know, it's like children. It's not even a real sport, all right, and you're just like next it's Helena bloody, and you're like, what are you doing? That's an interesting what a weird thing, my guy, in interesting point that you've raised about the way I speak about names, the way I speak about names. Oh that's how interesting of you to bring up the way I speak about names. That was a Vampi sentence bro so the Hellta, don't that be to me about the way I speak about names. Sir Okay, Helena Blovatsky. She was a mystic. She was a part of the what it's called the the Theeo, what I said a second I got this theosophic goal society, theosophicals, and she it seems like she was rolling in the same circles that our friends, our recupboard and Oh, what was that other dejack Parson's, Jack Parsons, and the other tea many guy, alice for kralist or Kroldi. Yeah, it seems like she wrote them. I hope that no one ever associates he with that. You know what's that? I don't no one can ever be like, what's the Demoni Guy? We knew? Oh yeah, Jaron, yeah, yeah, like I was just real de yeah, there's a podcast. I don't know how to years from them. It's like, well, there's a really demoni guy in that area named Jar Myers, you know, like a weird so she she if if they were alive like sixty years earlier, he would they would have been it. She would have hearn that circle like those are the people she bowed with, which she claims. Well, she appears in the S is almost a hundred years post death. Yeah, and she claims that he was so alive and working towards the spiritual development of the West, and there was even claim to be a genuine photo taken of the two of them together, which we can take a quick peak at. I'm here's a picture of count of Saint Germain. He looks like every person that was alive in the seventeen hundreds, just like I imagine were from the seventeen hundreds. You nailed it. It's got that like white wig hair and, I don't know, pointy nose and then weird coat, just a weird coat. Yeah, so that's him. Here's here's how the Nablatsky, Blovatsky and him, she's in the middle, is very great. She look like that. He's like a little tem because she's demon. They dude. Yeah, Madam Bolvadski. Yeah, and master's Kuthumi and St Jo and then St Germain on the right, which here's the thing on the right of that picture is supposed to be Sing Germain, and I'm going to be honest, I don't see that a lot of people act like he looks a lot like that guy, but I'm looking at it and I don't feel like he looks a lot like that guy. I guess say there which if he's a time traveler, he could come and some lie faceleft. Okay, so she's in a you know when you go to like a roadside attraction, they got that giant rocking chair, you sit in it, you take that picture and small Furd of this chair. That's her, but real right. Yeah, yeah, and he looks like, look at those boots he's wearing. Yeah, he looks like the hero at Medieval Times. I mean he's definitely got a beard in this picture, which he doesn't in the other one, so that could be a little to see eating. And also this picture is very love reds. Yeah, because it was like a very early photograph. The other guy's got a mullet on the other side. Yeah, we're yeah, he was ahead of his time. He's wearing Santo's coat. The Guy on the actually is yeah, honestly, honestly, here's an interesting thing about this photo. In the middle we have Madamserroni from Yep, and then we've got Santa on the left. But early, like sailor when he was like twenty one. This is a young Saint Nuke right, and then in the middle is Jesus. That's Jesus in the Middle and then St Germaine on the Right. This is a very prolific squad we got right here. I was gonna say, Oh, Soma Bon lock, who you said? Jesus. It's like that's so SAMA black. Look at him a different good know that's jared letto playing Osama lad that he can't tell me that's wrong, he can't tell her that's wrong. But his eyes, that's jared letto playing Osamabon Laden. That is the most accurate thing I've ever heard. Is The eyebrowsters. So it's the eye structure. But yeah, so, looking at this, I'm like, I don't see how that's Saint Germain. Like I just a lot mean. I know this is a wig and I know the other guy has a beer, but the facial structure to me is very different, even though the resolvator. So she grew your I'm mocking you to your face up. Yeah, that's the rugged masculinity. That pretty lost is your ability to push through it. versity. Yeah, no one's gonna make fun of me. Yeah, those only those two did not look alike at all. It unless he just went through. Well, but it's been a hundred years, you know. It looks like he's keeping up with the styles. is in that first picture he looks like a seventeen hundreds guy. Yeah, and the second big, sure, he looks like an eight hunds guy. One quick way vampires always get caught is that they always look the way that they used to. They look tampy. you see a seventeen hundreds or guy, now I'm gonna drive a steak through his heart. Yeah, you know, it's actually happened a couple times. I was you know, it was you look like he lived like three hundred years ago. I'M gonna kill you, I'm gonna end your life. Yeah, and yeah, I did that to another guy who was wearing that Santa coat. turned out ruined Christmas at the Battlefield Mall. So, Oh, interesting. Well, he looked like he's from the eighteen hundred. So I had to take them out. So and in one thousand nine hundred and seventy two, shut up. In one thousand nine hundred and seventy two he walks in the White House and Richard Nixon goes the vampy. Oh my Gosh, yeah, I wish, but it could be present themselves valiant or prevent presents himself as well. I'll tell you what he also did. Yeah, is he joined a NASCAR race. I made off with the Simi. So a guy by the name of Richard Chan Free, okay, he went on TV and France and he claimed that he was this guy, the count of Saint Germain. Yeah, and he why is? Why are we letting that GUY ON TV? You know, I'm saying, like why? It's the same thing that happened when Emperor Norton declared he was the emperor. Why is? I walked into the TV studio and said, Hey, I'm the count of St Germain and they were like no, you're not. And he's like you want to see me turn this ten into gold? And they're like someone turned the cameras on, let's roll it. Do we have the footage of that or I could picture from him it. Maybe I can see if I can find some. I don't have it, but but yeah, so he allegedly, on French television, brought a camp stove and lit some tin on fire and turned it to gold on TV and everyone was amazed. And you don't have the video of that and show me? No, I didn't think to confind it, to be honest with you. I read it. I was like, well, that's pretty good. That's crazy that that exists a video somewhere. That's wild. If only there was a way for us to confirm the we'll look for it in the after the fiddle. Okay, that would have been a thorough thing for me to do in preparation for this episode, but you didn't. Yeah, we need research assistance if you're interested. Actually, you know, we don't need research assistance. We just need the man who knows all history from the all time, if you're a vampire that goes by the name of Richard Our wait, no count of Saint Germain. Honestly, he apparently might be listening to this and apparently, yeah, well, he is a he is a patron supporter. He pays us in diamonds every mood. Yeah, we get them in the mail, hard mail. Later this claim was presumed to be false, which I mean, you probably don't have to say later there it. People probably just presumed, yeah, that's false. They realize a light that's right up it's guys. At this point, lies have been around for at least we were. We know what we don't want to make them ups are now. We've got a word for makeup ups now. But and it was, it was such a it was such a big thing that, like all throughout history, the seventy two the last time we have like a reference to him. But all throughout history, in countries all over the world, they are written records from relatively reliable sources, sure that they had an encounter with Saint Germain or someone who who wrote the description, description of someone who have been alive for a very long time. But we're also saying that a picture of this guy looks like every guy who's been alive in the seventeen it is also accurate. It's pretty broad to be like that could be that, could be that guy. Yeah, because there was no photographs and there's that was the only that's the only painting we see see alive before photographs. was he around before video for video? Shut up. So, but it was, it was such a big deal and so many people knew about this story, that Napoleon in the S S Napoleon Bonaparte, not Napoleon dynamite. Yeah, polly boat of art in the S had formed a coalition to track down St Germain and he had searched far and wide, or at least had some of his people search far and wide for St Germain, and had a lot of records. And allegedly that right when they were about to find or write around, about to crack the code, crack the case of St Germain, right the records cut of fire. There's a guy who stood in front of the fire and said, I passue you another reference to an unreleased episode. I love it, but yeah, so, I don't know, man. Here's the thing, here's here's what we know. St Germain was a real guy who did some real stuff that was relatively important. Sure that at least important enough for him to get some really rich and powerful friends, that he lied to a lot and convinced them he was more important than he was, and then after that, most likely, the legend of his life lived on and people started seeing him everywhere. Yeah, that or he's a time traveler or a vampire or an alien. One of those could be idiot, could be any of those. Another another property of the philosopher's stone, allegedly, is that if you access this and you were to liquefy the juices from the philosopher's stone and consume them, you'd live forever. That's the so if he had the philosopher's stone that was turning on, had to be a vampire to live forever. I mean, I guess not. Huh. I thought that was a vampire thing. I thought that was exclusively vampy. Yeah, exclusively vampy. Well, you know. Yeah, but anyways, one of the things he's most known for out of everything he's done, yeah, is there was holding a fiddle above his head. We said, Dear Satan, Dear Satan, if you let me live forever, I won't fiddle you off. Things are the last night is a production of space tim medium, produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Bets, our graphics and our logo by Caleb a Goldberg, and our social media is run by Kaylei boker. Our host are Jeremyers and Tim Stone. 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Man From Taured – The Traveler from an Alternate Universe

06-14-22

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the man from Tarad? What have you ever heard of the man from Tarid? Where is Tarid? The man from Tari, the man how spill? Tara, Tarad, T a. You are Ed. Tarid. Okay, country of origin? D I don't know. What about John Zagaris? Have you ever heard? Oh Yeah, Zegris, John, John Zegris, John says, Zaga, John, Allan, Couchar, Zegriss, I know. The only Zegriss I know is the guy who really wanted to see Jesus, but he was really short, and so was John. Zegriss. Was a we little man and a wee little man, was he? You know the song? Yeah, yeah, he got still study telling me he was from Tarid. Yeah, the man from Tarid. I mean I think we just about covered it. We're good. Okay, God, spy stuff. I hate when we do an episode where it starts at spy and that's so far the most logical answer. That's not a real county. You're a liar, like cutting people's fingers off in the back room. Things I learned last no, okay, so the man from tared. It's a story that is interesting. It's got a lot of it's there's a lot of stories. It is old as time. There's a lot. Was A man. It's old. That's about the s. The S. It was the S S. He wasn't. I was thinking this a second ago before we were recording. Yeah, about like, because I was going to post that clip of just friends and I was going to put the parentheses two thousand and five, you know. And now there's movies that have the same title of as movies that were the like the S. right. Yeah, yeah, and one day your grandkid is going to be like, Oh, this movie just friends just came out. That will just friends, quanteous and five, and look, well, that was fifty years ago, grandpa. Yeah, yeah, we're going to be old. Yeah, you know. Yeah, they make you feel weird. That time happens. I'm more it's less that time happens more that all of a sudden I'll be sixty seven and I can't control other people anymore. I can't stop them. I had so much a billity I had I could control anybody. I can't believe you said that about that lady. You could beat her up. That's hilarious. And if this is your first time listening to our podcast. You don't need any context for that. That's exactly yeah, I'm pretty sure I could beat up a sixty seven year old lady. Yeah, put that in the ex that's one of those intro clips. I'm pretty sure I could be the US sixty seven year old lady who felt tenzero feet from an airplane that got struck by lighting. All right, well, that's not going to fit the Intro, so we have to say faster. No, Oh, so the man from the man from time. So it's one thousand nine hundred and fifty. It's a crazy story. There's a lot of theories that we're going to get to, but first we have to tell the story. So here's the story. It's an early s the man arrives in the Tokyo. It was just a fun while you're looking at up. It was a fun inner monolog that just played out where you're like there's a lot of theories. Where going to get to him, but first way to tell a story. So here's the story. And it was you helping your brain structure a podcast episode. That was me just like here's the theory, putting out the story. First here been around somebody who's tells bad stories. Yeah, oh my Gosh, man, it is torture. It was the Tokyo Hanada airport. Okay, he landed there and early next s he as happens when you get off of a national flight into another nation, they check your passport. Okay, and the customs officials were a little confused when they saw his passport because his passport was listed as him being from a country called tarred, which they had never heard of before. But they figured, yeah, plenty country to your name on all the countries. I bet she can't. Yeah, I can try it. I can name the one that matters. Yeah, which what it's the heaven you know, I am not as a member of society of her I am part of one kingdom. Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's a good good. Okay. So they they check the country Tarret, and they're like, we've never heard of this, and he's like we who me Google it? What do you mean? Yeah, they have Google yet. And so they're like, what do you mean you've never heard of tart he's a come from Tart I've for it's a thousand year old nation, like we've been in the planet forever, thousand years, and a thousand years is forever, and so they kind of had this little argument and they're like, well, here we've got an atlas. Show US where it is. Yeah, why don't you point it out on a map? And so he looks at it for a second and he goes, HMM, do a different map. Yeah, because this, this is a map of earth. Is this an alien thing? I it's doubt would be. I mean here is that we uni show someone? Oh, yeah, so they point at the map and he points right where this little circle is, which is the country of Andorra. Right, I ain't know. Dora was a place many principalities, about a countries. Is Tiny little country. Yeah, the so if you look really, really closely with a Dno are you can see the borders wrapping around it. Wow, this is this country, smaller than Rhode Island. It's a tiny little it's press. I mean it's pot am, right between Spain and France. Yep, Yep. So very, very small little country on the player of too. It's smaller than warrier countries, smaller than Rhode Island. Okay, tin no country. But he points right there and he says yeah, there it is tar ed and he's like wait, what the heck is in and Dora? And now this man is just as confused as the people that are there with him. The theories. Time Traveler? Well, maybe. Sorry, I want to get ahead of you. So that's a time trouvel joke. Those are time trouble joke. That was it. Didn't get it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I missed it. I looked at all the cameras hoping that they would get it. Yeah, the game is didn't get either. They didn't rege. Oh Man, freaking idiots. So the time travel joke. So that was another one. That's funny. I'm on my a game today. I'm not entertained. Okay. So they, the Tokyo officials, were like, here's the deal. This guy is trying to tell us he's from a country that doesn't it doesn't exist, and he's pretty confident that exists. And so they're like, how can we verify who this guy is? He's pretty common, he's pretty she's very adamant. Bad. It's real. Yeah, and so they're trying to figure out where the plane come from that he got off of the sky. I mean, like, what flight was he on? I'm not sure on that actually, probably Andra I don't know this guy came from, and I know that our flight just came from a place called tower read and he's saying he's from towred or whatever, like one of this is the pronunciation. Their mess up on. That place Dosn't exist. Yeah, it's not real. No, yeah, he actually landed from an unidentified plane. They're like, we don't know what that plane is. No, you're messing no, yeah, yeah, the plate landed but got off. He got off with them and they they're trying to figure out a way that they can identify this guy. Sure, because he's what's peculiar about this people fake passports all the time. How many fingers did he have? Twenty. People think passports all the time, but they were convinced by this passport. They thought it was. This is real, this is a legitimate passport, and also had stamps from all over the world, like legitimate. He's been other places, yeah, including Japan. He has stamps from Tokyo, the same airport, multiple times in this passport. And so these people are really confused because they're like, how is he okay? If he faked this, he shouldn't be able to have gotten this many stamps in his passport, like someone somewhere along the line should have been like that's not a real country, you're a liar. Oh, I mean, okay, sort of somewhere along the line should have been rude to this man. You're a liar. I don't like the way you said it. To have you're a conspher in a lie. Is that what you do? You go your lier, the long slow poke with the flick at the end. See the water flick off your water bottle? Yeah, I did see it. So they were like what are we going to do? Have no way of verifying this. We can't confirm, I mean we can confirm that this country doesn't exist, but this passport is convincing. So they start asking like well, what are you gonna do here? Is Like I'm here on business, I'm here seeing the same cloud of seen multiple times before. I'm staying in this hotel. And they were like okay, we're going to look that up, and so he's like, I don't think you should. They might not remember me. I've only better like twice, you know, so that I not remember that. You should do that. Why? Because I am a liar. I don't think you should do that. So they call they call the business you're supposed to have a meeting with and they're like, you know, we never heard of the guy. And then they call the hotel and the hotels like, we don't have a reservation for the guy. And then so now the man from torred what's his name? Man From Turret, we don't have a name for him. Don't have a name. Okay. So now he's getting really Frustrat at it because he's like, he's like I I've met those people multiple occasions, like how do they not remember me? Like I've got this booking confirmed, like I called them last night to verify, like I've got a booking at that hotel. I've clearly have a passport. There's the stamps. I've been here before and this is never been a problem. And so he's getting visibly frustrated right and the officials are like we we don't know what to do in this situation. For All we know, you could be a spy or some scammer or whatever, like, who knows who you are, or a liar. We deal pretty harshly with liars here at the way. Don't or like liars. So you got to go through TSA and a lot of ty contests there. Are you telling the truth? You guys? Just one suspicious guy. Did you fly here? Yeah, they always do that, like look with their eyes, with so. So, after question him for a while, they realize they weren't get anywhere. So they said, hey, we're going to get some higher up officials. Yeah, I took them talk to you and say if they can give the bottom of this, because we don't know what to do. But they said we can't just let you just go Rom Tokyo because, like we said, we don't know who you are, right, you could be a bad guy. And so they put they put them up in the hotel, the airport hotel, and they put two armed guards at its door. Oh San, they're like, we don't want like, if this is a real legit thing, we don't want him go anywhere. happening. Yeah, so they lock them in there and then the guards stay posted there all night and then the next morning the officials arrived at the airport and they went up to the room for questioning. They got there and he was Gore. was rolled away. The door was off the hedges and upside down three feet and like what did someone roll this door away? Why do you look for the man from tour it here. His clothes are just like laying on the bed. He is not here. Wait, so he's not in the room. He's not in the room and neither are any of his documents. The passport's not there. He's not there, none of the evidence. you go out the window. Happened? The windows sealed chat and they had guards, like they had guards at the door. But they mean, this is the airport hotel. It's not like you can just jump out of window and everyone would be like, that's okay, it's normal. Like most hotels, if you jump out of window, people like hey, that's a really peculiar thing. You see in the we're you know, depends, you know, super eight are like again, yeah, I mean most people leave out of the window and super eight gas through the Doorston't open. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use, or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose Cant Sayco. It's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff, and there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites, but thanks for being here. So it became this massive urban legend where people were like, what happened with the man from Tourret, like was the story here? Yes, happened, because it's a peculiar event. And then he disappears in it makes it even more because right, all right, so there's a few theories. So let's take a look in theories three. Number One. He's a spy, obviously. Yeah. So, so the idea here is that was he bribe the door guys, know, to get out? I don't know. So. So the idea here is that some nation built this fake country, passport and everything, and we're sending them around the world to do spy stuff. So go do spy stuff. Yeah, we'll give you some. WHIS my job description. I don't know, spy stuff. Look around, just look. You know that. You remember that those book I literally was about to make an eye by joke. I literally was about to make like here, training curriculum is just these books. Yeah, yeah, tell us. Everywhere where you see I don't know, a Spool of yarn, Dude, and I'm telling you what, as a kid, I I know I was annoying, all right, because my parents had those in the car. Yeah, which meant that. Now I'm an adult and I know that that means. They were like, why don't you look at your book? Yeah's your book man, trying to find some stuff. Yeah, look for I don't know anything. And I was like why, and they're like, I just begging. You need to look. I think it's like. I think what's going on here is it's a guy who got a job with the FBI and his mom is like, why don't you let your little brother come to work with you? And he's like here, we'll make up a passport instead of just to look for some spools. If you are all right, you you have to the key to good lies, to convince yourself. Yeah, you have to have to believe that TOR it is real. Yeah, they waterboarded them until he's from stre it. I'm they're tasting it at the same time. You know, I FBI's pretty wild. They're pretty crazy. What's Crazier, too, is that it wasn't the FBI, you're wrong. It was the FDA. The FDA is water boarding them and chasing him. What the FDA was like the FBI, but like a darker like they oh dude, like, but they're we his guys of like, yeah, we're just trying to protect the cow. So here's what I'm saying. I want to do several TV shows, but one of them is definitely going to be like the health inspectors. All right, but they are real in his job. Yeah, very yeah, that would be pretty great, like cutting people's fingers off in the back room. This is a very snittor. You'RE gonna have to clean this up right after this has to clean this up. Yeah, there's like a really dark mofia tire. Yeah, so, yeah, so the idea this guy was traveling around spy and on stuff. Yeah, and that's how he's gotten all the the stamps in his past. But sure, right, it's. It also has the know how of how to get out of this hotel room. Yeah, it's, but it's peculiar. Yeah, probably was was. He's probably hiding in the walls. I don't know if you've seen those story. This is real. I don't know if you've seen the stories of like the hotel rooms or behind the mirror. Yeah, yeah, having, yeah, he's like the watchers. Have you found what's in the walls yet? Found was in the woman feeds for it, man from Tor it ridiculous. Yeah, and and what's peculiar about this is one. Why did every country just let him in with a fake passport? Sure some of them should have. Maybele should have noticed. Somebody should have called him out earlier. Yeah, it's she should have been in any should have gotten into Tokyo multiple times. Like this is strange. But if he was a spy, I mean theoretically they be able to figure out the freaking apples. Trusted people. It is true. It is true, especially if you were just confident, like yeah, people would just believe you. Dude, people have always been dumb and and back then to you can google it. So, like you knew you couldn't easily verify things. You knew there's a lot of countries. You're there, chicken, a hundred passports from this flight. You see and he goes, yeah, it's there on the map. It's between Spain and France. Yeah, you know. Okay, M Yeah, you've never you can't google it. Yeah, I've never been there. You just just the guy I guess. I don't know. So, yeah, so, and I'm airport security was way laxer then. So maybe, and maybe they paid off the guards or maybe they snuck in through the window and figure out a way to steal it, right. Know, it's like they could have found a way. They so one option is that he's a spy. One options he's. The other option is that he has a time traveler. Yeah, I knew that was an option. Yeah, so the idea is he's had there, most likely from and then he gets in the room and he's like, well, this isn't gonna work for me. Yeah, I need to try. You think he's from the future, from the past, most likely, the future? Most likely. You're right. You're right. That was a stupid question. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I was a stupid question. Be Very strange for him to be like a medieval night and him to just walk in the airport and be like here's my passport. Yeah, I probably would be dressed like a medieval night though. Yeah, but, like, I mean, if he gets up, my understand you figure out time travel. Which direction are you going? I mean, it depends what I want to figure out. I feel like you're going to go a few times, like I'd probably got the future because I'd be curious things. See You, I'm saying, yeah, and then, but then I probably also go the past because I'd be curious about some things. Well, but I'm saying back and forth. There's no country called tour it now. No, and there hasn't been in the past. So never be the future. Yeah, so it's got to be the future. So you came from the future at least a thousand viously, obviously, thousand years. Obviously, because he said that the count she's been around for a thousand years. So it's got to be at least at that. Are we going to start? He might, that was what he came back to do. You came back to start his country. So I mean to believe this theory, you got to believe in time travel, which a pretty big lead today. I mean, there's a lot of reasons to try to debunk this one, but we're going to start with the obvious. Yeah, yeah, I believe in time travel. Time travel, we don't know yet. We just don't know. Can't prove it. Well, okay, we need to make a pact right now that, if time travel exists, sometime in our lifetime. Yeah, then we need to come back Monday may nine at for forty PM. Okay, and so that way we know, hey, time travel is not real. Time travel doesn't exist. It could happen. Never, never, in our lifetime. NOPE, it won't happen that. We're not going to talk about anyone. We're we're done noting. Move on it. Will never talk the other theory. The other theory is that he is an alien. I saw your eyes. I'm just really sweaty over here. I know I'm really nervous. I saw your eyes be like he is anyway. All right. So obviously that's a theory. Yeah, obviously he's got to be an alien. Most likely scenario here is aliens. Yeah, flew in on his little spaceship and Tarad to the airport. Yeah, you think the space ships are landing and international airports? Yeah, they fluid. They flew in over old on. Wait, what are they getting? A touch and go? Yeah, they flew over Tokyo Hanetta airport. And what is that? What's their symbol? I have no idea. What is it? H D. They flew over H D. they're like hd tower. This is this is alien hd tower. This is alien, eight niner. What do you say? Like yeah, requesting, requesting permission to land gate six B, Full Stop, and they're like yeah, yeah, aliens, Permission Grant. Yeah, aliens. Yeah, coming in the left back. So they landed and got out and then one of them stayed. What's his name? Val flew to Washington DC, and then he came and he was like, I need to speak to your president. Oh, okay, so you're saying that from space they land in Tokyo. Yeah, and then from there they just first the rest of the world. Yeah, just one guy got hung up because his documents weren't accurate. Yeah, because, well, they had passports, but it was from Mars, tards from God, and they were like the humans are not smart. Just tell him it's not tell him it's a nurse. Looks on Earth televisit Earth country, and they were like the believe it, they're not smart. We've done this before. And he's yeah, I've done this a hundred times. But this one guy was like wow, he's smarter than that. They caught him in a lie because he is an alien. He's an alien. He knows. He said that's from Mars. I'm thinking you a liar and an alien it and I am a time traveler. We're not allowed to talk about that anymore. So here's the whole thing. I'm like, why are the runs? We don't know the name of the thing. This feels like an urban legend. The the alien is far fetched ally, but do we have any evidence of this other than just like Oh, the man from Turret? We'll get there. Last, last theory. What do you leave a clip on tie behind? We talk about we'll get there. To two our theories. Okay, there. So the other theory is that he is an interdimensional traveler who flipped into our dimension from another dimension. So how on his fight and in in this is. This is Stephen Hawkins, Tad Stephen Hawkins. Miss Stephen Hawking saw this and was like I know what happened here. Now Stephen Hawking has a theory that there's many worlds. We talked a little sure about it and every worlds just slightly different from each other. I'm saying I hate when we do an episode where it's starts at spy and that's so far the most logical answer. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future. Go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify, Youtube. You'll get it alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. Helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. Thank you so much for being here. So something happening? Is there? Yeah, he blipped into the only one another in plane. Imagine that, though. Yeah, well, he probably didn't notice. He's probably fine on his plane, falls asleep, wakes up and the passenger next to him different as I I mean that must have I'm saying that. Imagine a three the passenger next to him, you sitting there watching up hers also. So he's asleep, like so did you just yeah, I was late. I was late to the fight. I didn't make it to the gate and time. What? Okay, all right. So, yeah, and then he blipped in, landed and he was confused that no one knew at tar was because in his universe. Tarts real on this whe's from and he's traveled a lot. He doesn't know that. He bled everything down to the flight path. Is the same. Yeah, because in the many worlds theories at everything exists, everything that compossibly sains, every scenari that con possibly exist exists with the one possible variation, because there's infinite worlds, and so every world has every possible scenario in it that could be the exactly same but one details different. Okay, is the theory. So he blipped and then had this whole encounter and then while he was when he went to back to sleep in the hotel room, he poked back, woke up and he was and then he walks out and there's no guards and he goes to his business meeting. He's like that was a weird dream. And then so he's still stays in the same hotel in this multi universe. Yeah, I mean the universe is the same, okay, it's just slightly different the home. Only difference is Tart isn't there and he blips in there. And okay, actually and Dora. Not a lot of people leave that theory. A lot of people want to believe that theory. But okay, there's not a good reason to believe that. Yeah, what's the last one? Here's the thing. I don't like it. I don't like right now that anything that you start with. Here's the thing. I want out, I want to fiddle it off and I want to be done with the episode. Here's what we needed. We need to many time. You're leading back and I'm like, what's the last one? You Go, okay, here's the thing. We need to make a pact that if interdimensional travel ever becomes a thing where that we will, will come to this moment and every possible universe right May, may night, at for forty six eight shot cut. The shot cut the show. interdimensional travel is not real, not real, and that theory is a farce. Could never happened. There's no way, not a chance at all. I can't. We're never going to talk about intern dimensional shovel again. What's the last theory? The last thing is that is made up, that this is just a big old lie, whole stories. That's true last year. Is the one you thought the whole time. And Yeah, you really ruin the ending there, Jarem, because you were life. This is no way, this is real. And it's like Hey, I'm trying to say we'll get to that. No. So here's what happened. Everybody, I mean this was an urban legend since the S. it's been around for a long time, right, and everybody had their opinions on what the truth was. There's the people who thought he was a spy, right, because the people who thought he was it was a fake story. It was all made out, right. And there's the people that thought it was aliens and then there's the people who thought it was two things that we don't talk about anymore. It's so for years. It's just kind of stayed this way, okay, and the only reference that we knew of where this ever, like the evidence of this story, Hmm, ever existed was from a book which was a like collection of stories from an author named Colin Wilson and John Grant. Well, I'm wondering, like if there's like police reports or activity of the of the we don't have any of that, right. I'm that. And so we all we have as this book that came out and eighty one from a like a short story book, and in the stories in there, and that's all we've got of any. Are the other stories and it made up. I don't know. Actually, I don't know. I don't answer that. That would have been a good thing to look up, for this would have been if you just the story from a fiction book. Now, here's some thing. Okay, here's the thing. So, so you're gonna believe this? I have a story to tell. You may tell it. Yeah, tell me. So, there's a little girl. Yeah, she's riding her bike to a grandma's house. Right, well, she's your grandma's house. I thought she was walking. Have you heard the story? I'm pretty sure. Well, I don't. I'm not allowed to say why. I know. If you don't have the context of our jokes, then that sounds real rough. That sounds like you have a restraining order against the child or that you're not supposed to be in this neighborhood. It's like, I'm not about to say wow, I don't. I know that. She Sho she rides a bike, as you walked everywhere. It doesn't even following some girl around. So, anyways, girls riding a bike goes to a grandma's house. Right, our grandma sounds real gargoy that day, just real, like hey, you know, you sound real cord, you sound real rough. A's just, you know, I fell out of a plane or whatever, and so, you know, she's like, well, what big ears you have now I don't know if it is true. The theories are all over the place, but you know, one of the theories is that the the grandma was a witch. Really, yeah, yeah, what's the other one? It's that a wolf. Two theories. Well, that's all made up. That, yeah, it's all made up. Well, here's the deal. So I most people were like, yeah, it's made up for years. Right, it hits the Internet, the Internet, the Internet comes out, and then it hit the Internet and then it does one what you gave the time. Why? Events there? Yeah, it's the Internet visit. The Internet comes down, because so the Internet lose. They when they got to the Internet, it, you know, took off again. The story took off, people started to love it and then some reditors, they started doing their digging. Yeah, and they ended up solving the mystery. So here's the solution. What? Here's the solution? Pretty serious. I'm serious. Yeah, they solved it. So here's what happened. There's two stories that got blended together. Calm. There was a story from one thousand nine hundred and sixty of a one thousand nine hundred and fifty nine, October nine fifty Nin nine man by the name of John Allen Couchar Zegars, which I remember. I brought that Guy Yup. That's right, we're got saying. Well, I asked if you if what was his name was, and I knew you had said one. Yeah, but then you were at we're how a name, and I was like well, okay, but you said it's so confident that I was like all right, yeah. So this guy, he entered a man with his wife and then three months later he was arrested by the police. Say This is a rest? Huh? He was arrested by the police. By the police because he was trying to cash two hundred thousand dollar or two hundred thousand yen check and a one hundred and forty white fiftyzero. She started over. She's what he was trying to cash? A bunch of checks. Okay, and they were like wait, these are these checks come from a bank that does not exist, and he was a good does and they're like Noah, doesn't. And he was bank of tour it and he was like yeah, I can point it to it on the map and they were like go ahead, yeah, does it matter? That's a basking robins. And so they took am for questioning and they realize he has just a bunch of just fake documents, fake checks, fake passports, all this fake stuff that he had been using to travel the world with. And so he came up with this fake bank from this land singer. Yeah, yeah, Taminara set Tam in our set, which is an actual province in Algeria. Okay, right here, province in Algeria. He said he lived north of the Sahara and was part of the country called Tar Rag, with a g Tar Regg. And so he made up this bank and he was traveling with these fake checks and these fake passports and just kind of seeing the world for free. Sure, and they caught him and he ended up serving a year of jail time for that and it was interesting news. It got published in news around the world. How much she all time? Would you do travel the world for free? I'm he only got a hear. That's why I'm saying he was really adamant about not going to jail, because when he was in court on his day of his sensing, when they read all his sense. He spit out a piece of broken glass that he had hidden in his mouth and attempted to slid his wrists, but but the guards caught him well, for he was able to do it, which is very interesting to me that nobody noticed at all during that day that he has broken glass in his mouth. Like all right, how was a defended? Please, no, littlefull, sir. What's in your mouth? You know who. I've got a bunch of marbles in my mouth, like the disturbed guy. MM, I'm just waiting for you to tell me I'm not guilty. The disturbed guy. Yeah, disturbed the band. Yeah, I heard that. Know that, the guy from disturbed in the band. I don't know if it's true, but the myth, the mythology around him, was that the way he managed to successfully do that raw sound was he put a bunch of marbles in his throat and the marbles would slide up against each other and then he would spit them out after he recorded that, and that's how he made that sound. I don't know if it's true story, but you don't know it. You know things you really you don't know. I don't know if it's true story. Yeah, but let's make a bat for April, throw marvels on our throat all. Right, then we have to go back to the studio on me like at four hundred and fifty six. The marvels help us do that. You can do anything with wow. So he gets convicted and he goes to prison. Right, right. So that story was taken. Okay, there's another story, very similar story, where a guy and the nineteen s was a spy and he was traveling on a fake passport because he's this by, because he's a spot, because it's fine. Yes, and this fake passport was ended up being his downfall. And so the the Japanese government caught that it was a fake passport and then they caught the spy that way. Sure. And so they kind of took the two stories together. Where is the disappearing the hotel room come from? But it is. They made that part up to make the story interesting, or interesting her, you know what I meant. So, yeah, tell interesting her stories. So they said the guys wasn't the names John Grant and con Wilson. They were writing this book. They knew about this urban legend. They said, Hey, let's take that urban legend, let's embellish it a little bit and then we'll sell a lot of copies of our book that way. And they did that and it worked and they made a decment of money. And then a bunch of people in the Internet thought that time travel and inter dimensional travel was real, which it absolutely is not, one hundred percent not real. You're not over iterate that enough. You got to be an idiot to believe that's to be just such a young guy to see the worst cognitive ability person. You've got to be so just on interesting. I can't believe you got to be interesting. Was You believe that made? That's so uninteresting of you. It's most other interesting. Is An uninteresting person thing to say. What an insult, though, you know. Wow, so you're uninteresting right now, coming off real and interesting. Yeah, so they figured it out. It was. It was two stories that kind of got blended together. In the way they found it was because they found the newspaper reports. They ended up chasing those newspaper reports back to the court case. And what's interesting is do is Internet's wild this, this case the John Zegris case. We actually have documents from the UK where there was a big diplomatic meeting where they were arguing about it because they believed, after this event, that passports weren't legitimate and because, yeah, they were too easy to fake. Right, and so there's a big back for the ended up saying, yeah, it's fine and let's keep them. Yeah, but if we fix this, how would our agents get across? How would we fake it? You know, that is legitimately, though. That's like, that is straight up. Probably it's probably redacted in there. That's why, I mean, I think that's why they don't do things easier. It's anything like taxes. It's difficult because WHO's making money on it? Yeah, that's the conspiracy theory person in my head. Yeah, you know, I think that the government is actually doing it. The government is doing nothing. The government's doing nothing, not involved. Our they passports are sure really good of doing stuff, and so our taxes. We I want to pay more. If I could pay more taxes, I would. Sometimes I throw in an extra tip the government. Yeah, could you guys, you guys, except tips here. Yeah, Hey, just here you go, sir. This is the other little extra for you. It'll spit it all one place there, the United States. So all right, well, they figured about then. Yeah, they saw that the man from tard is just lie. Maybe the read at people can help us find our fiddle off music. Things are then, last night. is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Bets, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our host are Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Fall us on your favorite social media platform at Tillin. Podcast is Tillo and podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I doned last night


On a hot summer day in 1954, a man arrived at Tokyo Haneda Airport. Since the man came on an international flight, he was required to show his passport to be stamped. Upon viewing the man’s passport, officials were shocked to find the country that issued the passport was called Taured, a country that does not exist. The man was … Read More

Juliane Koepcke – From Free Fall to Amazon

06-07-22

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Hey Man, hello, what was that? I just to try to time it right when we could drink. Hey, hey, hey man, hey, heymen, hey man. What have you ever heard of Julianne Kop Key? Julianne Kop Key. Yeah, I'm just gonna see how long had her. I heard, I heard a horn. Is why I stopped. Yeah, and then I was like, I was gonna wait to see how long you let me be side. We can cut this part out. Julianne Kopkey is a famous composer. Oh yeah, yeah, she's known for her musical endeavors. Such as Paparazzi, it's lady Gaga's real name? No, it's not. Yeah, it's Julia Kop key. Why are you googling it? Yeah, I've obviously made this up. Now her name is Stefani Joan Angelina, German, Germanada, Germinata. Yeah, so it's not, it's not. You're wrong. Okay, what about I'm not refuse. They're super similar, you know. Have you ever heard of a lance of flight five hundred and eight? Lance of flight five hundred and eight? What about Peru? You ever heard of Peru? I've heard of Peru. Well, there we go. There's a little start. Will start with the most, starting with you. For Real. It's a missing person, like I says, I go a flight that went missing. I mean technically, yeah, okay, but I mean, yeah, technically. Yeah. So here, let me just tell you about it. Yeah, please. So, I would love it if you did. So why I showed up today. No, no, don't, don't. Try to get out to be an idiot real quick. Right. Yeah, what makes you think you'd be a great manager? Well, I have a degree and rain forest stuff. Wow, this guy's a little overcaulifi. Yeah, position, she knows the gators are friends, not food, and you didn't see the sword and wing where you did? You just have a different idea of Martin US things I learned last night. Julianne COP key. She Julianne. Yes, okay, I thought was Julia Ive. Go ahead, Julianne. We can call her Julie. I don't know she goes by that, but we can do it. Get we're she gonna. Is She alive? Is She gonna stop us? I mean she's alive, but I doubt she can stop us. And that's not that's me. She's a lot, but I doubt. You know, she's got no physical power over me. Yeah, I'M gonna keep saying it. You know, Julia, it's Julie A. and well, what are you gonna physically doing? She can't stop me. He means she's frail. You think you beat her up? Are You threatenings? I do think I could, but there's a reason for that. I just think I could. That is not part of it at all's nothing to do with the starty. What do you mean? I don't think she can stop me? I mean, I just don't think she could. I don't know. She's sixty seven. Okay, so, I mean, that's fine, like, I mean I was last time a sixty seven year old woman tried to stop you from doing something like I don't know. They can't. You can't stop me. Excuse me, Miss How are you? One Thousand Six hundred and seventy? I you can't stop me. Yeah, sure, caught me two years ago. The caught off. He's okay, as kid. You run said Julia earlier. As why I was confused with Julie An. Yeah, Julia. Yeah, so she is now. Her name now is Julianne Diller. Okay, married. Well, she is famous for a couple things. One she's a German Peruvian mammalogist because she studies mammals. Sure it's you might expect. Also, she survived a nine thousand eight hundred presumed, like, presumably, this is an estimate. You said the word wrong twice, but that's okay. Presumedly, go ahead for supably. There you go. They estimate nine thousand eight hundred and forty feet fall. She survived. Wait, what? Yeah, was she jumped out a plane in a parachute network SORTA. So here's what happened. On December twenty four, nineteen seventy one. Yeah, Christmas, one thousand nine hundred and seventy one. Cockkey was about to graduate high school. She had literally just gone to her senior from and her mother, Maria, and her were in Lima, Peru, and they were taking a trip to a town of the other side of the mountains and Peru by name of hold on the me pull this back up. And you heard me earlier. How okay, it's the town's name is Aquitos, Aquitos Peru. That's what that was earlier when you were like, yeah, I heard the computer voice go equitos. What was that? Yeah, well, I was learning how to say it. I'm really proud of you making progress because I've listened to back to a couple episodes and you just really you go for it. Yeah, no help. Well, here's the thing. I have this. I think it's a great character trait. MMM, but a lot of other people in my life think it's a character flaw. Who are a lot of other people? Me and your wife, yeah, and well, most of my friends. Oh, okay, so me and your wife. I think there's a good like I have a good character trait where I will take an educated guests in confidence and answer things that I don't know. And so a lot of times it's pronounce pronouncing things. Okay, you will said pronouncing, but that's pronouncing. A lot of this produncing. But I mean sometimes, like sometimes, for example, this is one that my wife talks about a lot. We were on our way to Florida. We're driving. You were like, I know how to get there. It's Florida. Yeah, we just got to go north on any highways there. Yeah. No, we were driving through Birmingham, Alabama, and I mean you've been to Birmingham. Right outside downtown there's this big hill. On the top of the hill is a giant statue of some dude with his arms up in the air and like, and when I say giant, I mean giant huge, like it is gigantic. If you're anywhere near Birmingham probably know what I'm talking about. Everybody in the car was like, I wonder who that statue is and I'm, as I do normally, take an educate the guys. Yeah, in confidence, that's George Washington carver. No, I was like the Peanut Guy, this is Birmingham Alabama. That's Martin Luther King Jr, like of course, like it's as educated guess, right, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, that makes sense, and nobody, everyone was for question about it. Nobody questioned it because I was confident. Well, on the way back we drive by and on the other route you can kind of see that there's like he's holding up a sword and there's like wings and it's actually a statue of a Greek God. We looked it up and it was a Greek God. And everybody can't let it go. Yeah, because they're like you were so confident, and I was. I was like yeah, it's an educate guess, and I was confident in my guess, which happens when you see the sword and wings? Well, yeah, from that we did. From that angle, you just have a different idea of Martin us he was an angel. Yeah, so, all right, anyways. So, yeah, I'm I get too confident sometimes. So, so this this flight, it's Lance, a flight five away, takes off from Lima to head to eat a quitos and while they're in the air the encounter storm. And this storm it was pretty severe. It was about okay, but that's the point where the pilots and this fight probably should have diverted. Yeah, I'm in taking a different route, but they but they said, they were like, you know what, we've seen storms before. I'm going to take an educated guess and how to get through this. What the code down said. The copie was like, what do you think? That statue is down there? We didn't see the main the clouds with the sword in the wings. So they rode into the storm. They rode into the storm. They shouldn't have to. The plane wreck. Yeah, so the plane got struck by lightning and it was one of the it was the worst mid air lightning strike in aviation history. It split the plane in half and so obviously, like the plane starts going down, absolute pandemonium, and it rips Julianne Cockkey from the plane in her seat. So she still a test her seat. Rips her from the plane and she's just starts flipping through the air, spinal in through the air like attached to alie in. She's attached to a seat. Yeah, but she's free falling. Yes, yeah, and so the plane, she got separated from the plane planes obviously going down and it's ripping apart all around her still because she's falling amidst this other fall. And then, like obviously, other passengers start flying out too. While she while she's falling, she was falling face down, so her head was facing down. She said. She described it as like the seat was kind of like a helicopter blade, like she was just spinning around like real, quite real fast. Yeah, and she thinks that this, it was the spinning that made her pass out. And so she passes out before she hits the ground and she wakes up later with the seat belt like jammed into her her skin and and her collar bone is broken. She tore her acl she had a pretty severe concussion and she fractured one of her vertebrae. But other than that that was really it. So like obviously a lot of very severe injuries, but she felt tenzero feet without a parachute. And so what they think happened when she was spinning around it, because she was spinning like that, the spin slowed her fall and so it slowed her fall enough to where the damage was severe. And they the assumption is when she passed out she leaned backwards just enough that it tilted the chair and then she landed on the chair and so chair landed face down instead of her landing on her face. And so hours after the crash she wakes up and there's just wreckage all through during the rainforest of Peru. This is this is the Amazon. This is right. I mean, if you don't, this is this is where she is, just absolute middle of nowhere, dangerous environment, right, and she wakes up, realizes she's severely injured and tries, she gets herself out of her out of her chair, and she's only able to like literally she gets up, she stands up, falls down, passes back out and is out for another day. And so when she wakes up, here's the I mean this the this whole story is like crazy. Yeah, but this. This part of the story is the most like. Oh, so she wakes up and she looks at her arm. She's got a severe elasceration on her arm, bad enough to where she thought in the moment, she's like, I might have to get this amschutted. And the leading reason for that is because she was out so long that had become infested with maggots and she she was picking them out, but she just couldn't get them all out, like I was hundreds of them. I hate this. Okay, yeah, absolutely her like picturing that at all. And so she gets up and she's just kind of got the maggots crawl around her arm, torn ACL broken collar bone, broken vertebrae, serious concussion in the middle of the Amazon rainforest and there's she can't find any other survivors. She keeps finding bodies, but most of the people she's finding, Oh yeah, they're they're just legs sticking out of the ground like they they lodged into the ground. They because they fell from such heights. Oh my God. And so she said that when she was going around through the woods, every time she found female she would check the toes to see if they were painted, because her mom didn't have painted tonails, and so she's like if I could find one that's not painted, then I would know that that's my mom, which is crazy. And so she's going through the rainforest trying to find her way out, trying to find another survivor. Manages to find a bag of candy. That is the only food that she was able to recover, and so she rations this what she rashes this little bag of candy and she's how long is this whole process happening, because she's moving real slow. So she was knocked out for about a day. Yeah, and then this is. This is that kind of like first early, like okay, I'm up, I'm like moving around, like I have to figure out how to get out of here, to get out of here. Yeah, so this is this is all within a relatively short period of coming, you think a couple of hours or she's walking around, she's finding these bodies, she manages to find this food. Where you got to find is like a way to call for help. Yeah, well, you got to find a plane. What the cockpit? Yeah, what was interesting was with with this flight is when the plane, the when they lost communications with the plane, they sent out search parties to look for it. But because the plane, the plane was struck at Twentyzero feet, and so because I got struck so high, here's this is a crazy shot. I think this is from the movie. There's a movie that came out about those, but this is what they they literally just shot right through the plane the lightning. anyways. So when when the plane never came for landing and they couldn't contact anybody, search parties came out. But because this crash happened so high in the air, it broke apart before it hit the ground and so instead of it being the whole plane going down, for its multiple piece. Yeah, fell in all these pieces and in the rainforest it was just impossible. Like these planes were flying over and she's said she kept hearing the planes fly over, the search places fly over, but it's a rainforest, there's that thick canopy, and so she's like, I had no way of showing them where I was, they had no way of seeing me, but I kept what I'm saying is that you got to find you know where. The first of all you to find your first hate kit, but then you also got to find like the flarers and something that you can use something, you shoot up or create fire. Burned down the forest, the watcher. Burn it down, burn down the holy of us. Yeah, I know, it's humanitarian thing. People going to be like, jared really didn't think about the rainforest when he was trying to save his life. Dude, that's that's exactly what. I've got a press what happened and that. No, I don't even care about that part. I'm saying you would get canceled because you are. You survive, you survived a plane crash. You're in the forest. Yeah, and you you start a fire so you can get a smoke signal up at least. Yeah, some way to show any humanity that you're there. You, and then you actually burned down half of a forest and you get back and people are like, you're the guy who burned down the forest, burned down h I'm also the guy that flew tenzero feet to the ground and made it. I had a little bit of a concussion, like give me, give me somewhere. Come on. Hey, thanks for checking out this APP. So we love our listeners a lot and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at maybe you listen on spotify or if you're watching on youtube, leave a comment. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out someone of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets who were separated at birth, unbeknownst to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in an episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one. That was another that was another struggle. So she just has so much going against her. In the fall she lost her glasses and she had severe near sidedness, and so now she's not only does she have all this other stuff, but she can barely see and she's walking through Nice. She lost one of her shoes in the fall and so she is walking to the forest with one shoe and a torn acl she can't see anything, trying to find a way out. But here's the thing about Julie. Yeah, and and sorry, sorry, don't tell her. I'm scared of her. Tell her. I would be too man. So here's the thing about her. So she her parents. They were a biologist and a zoologist couple, and they had moved to the rainforest to do science, you know. And this is them. This is them in the middle of science. This is our parents. Okay, another rainforest with all their fishies and different exotic rainforest fauna and flora. We gotta put those fish back in the tank. They're right die now. They're making those those wall fish. It was the bully bass. Those are terrifying billy bass. Those aren't even like some of the early iterations. This was the s they had affected it yet. Yeah, and so she had lived for years in the rainforest with her parents, who were expert learning all the things, ruin for stuff and rainforest stuff. Yeah, yeah, what's your degree in rainforest stuff? Our parents were zoologists, where zoologist on a biologist, and they figured hey, we need to study this. So the best thing we could do is move our entire family into a rainforest cafe. For I was ye trying to make a rainforest cafe joke. I was trying to make them a whole thing of like I have a degree and I use it to be the manager a rainforest cafe. Dang it, Tim. Yeah, what makes you think you'd be a great manager? Well, I have a degree and rainforest stuff. Wow, this guy's a little overcaulifi. Yeah, position, I can tell you a lot about. Yeah, ask me something about that dish right there. What's on that dish right there? Well, what if somebody knew a lot about dishes like plates, you know, like tear with that dish? Oh, I'll tell you. So this one is a good, fine product made. It's good, and then that's a good dish. Like a good dish right. Well, my mom was send me pictures of a bunch of dishes for my grandma's house that are apparently like they got lead on, like on the paint things or whatever, and so like this article is just like if you had these dishes of your house, you probably will have cancer and die. Like that's what the whole article is. Yeah, turns out, I mean my entire childhood we a lot of those dishes. A lot of we ain't a lot of dishes. Yeah, that's what my degree allow me to do, is I knew how to swallow a broken plate. You gotta do it the Right Angle. Yeah, you gotta just get it. Yeah, it's a it's a warning process. I mean, Myasofagus is destroyed, but it was. It was an interesting practicum that they yeah, but you know, every degrees got them the hard parts, the hard part. So she knew a bunch of stuff about the rainforest. Yeah, so she had spent years of her life learning about how to survive in the rainforest and what frogs are poisonous and what plant that's all you really need to know. I don't know anything else about this forest, but I can tell you that frogs poisonous. I can tell you. Stay with for that frog. I get tell you anything about that. This rainforest. I can tell you that frog sketchy guy, what do you do a bear comes around the corner? I don't know, man, I don't didn't get that far. We did it. Yeah, I just got to take rocks. Yeah, I'll we covered is poison frogs. Yeah. So she knew a lot about the rainforest. A few of the things that stood out to her that were very important was one, there's a lot of not only like there's a lot of poises to animals, with snakes and sure and those pross plants and stuff. But yeah, there's a lot of plants that you can't eat. Right. This is why she grabbed that bag of candy, because she's like, I know that there's a lot of plants that will kill me if I consume them, but I don't know all of them, you know. So I know there's a lot, but I don't know how many of them there are and I don't know for sure. So she's like, I can't eat anything I see here. And she also couldn't hunt because she you know, she's got a torn A. See how? Yeah, and like, and she doesn't have any like gear, like, she doesn't. She can't go fish, she can't go spear fishing, she can't go and Oh, go ahead, yeah, we are we yeah, see whether the kind of fishing. Can't she go boat fish? Yeah, deep sea fishing, I can do that. Yeah, yeah, it's just all the fishing. Do catfishing either, you know, or She gonna Upload a picture of somebody else with a full intact arm with the yeah, with a maggotless arm. There's no maggots in my arm. That's what her bias feel like. It says that in the Bio. It seems like they're might be. You know, if you have to tell me there's none, then I think there's some. Her user name online is just like definitely a real girl with no maggots in her arm. That's a long name. It's a really lug easy name. Surprised it wasn't take it over, was though, this usual name was taken. Oh, show. How? So she knew. She knew that it was a big deal, right, that her shoe was missing, because she's walking through all these plants that could or shoe was missing. I thought you said it was a big deal that she was missing. Oh, no, okay, this is a big deal. No, yeah, so there's a big deal and she was missing because she's like there's poison, Ivy and all other different types of all right, like I'm yeah, yeah, and so she's like, I'm going to mess up my shoes. So what she and she also knew that there was lots of snakes that slid around in the Ivy's and so she she didn't want to just bare footstep through this forest, and so she took her other shoe. Also, she doesn't re grasses, just can't really see. Such she took her other shoe and she's waving it through the brush in front of her before every step to make sure there's nothing now that's going to bite her or infect her or whatever. Okay, every single step, just walking through and then stepping so barefoot through the rainforest. Eventually, one of the things that she knew was that if you're ever lost in the rainforest or really in any wilderness area, here's a pro tip for you. Find Water, preferably running water. Right if you can find a bathroom, now you want to find like a stream, because the stream will always run. If you go from where it's going, you're going to end up to maybe a river or something else that you're bigger water to wear. Civilization is civilization always since up being near water. And so that's like when we were driving downtown in Kansas City. Yeah, we're on the bridge and ray goes city be really pretty if it had a river, and I was like you mean like that one? Yeah, like the Missouri River that was really Oliver. This is like years ago. I have not let it go this. That moment is her big statue moment. You know. I'm saying where. I was like, do you mean the river that were crossing right now, right now? Yeah, yeah, I couldn't see it. I mean I'm what do you think? The Bridges? Do you think the bridges? You think we got a canyon, which just do you think? We just canyon right outside of Kansas City? Canyon city? Sorry, my bad, the Kansas Canyon. Yeah, that's the state line. The state line was like they like this, this giant Crovasse. It's a ditch divided. Yeah, ridiculous. Anyway. So fine water, so fine water. So she finds a stream, she falls that stream to a larger river, and here's where her experience really helped her. Yeah, because she wasn't. She's got a white, white, white rapid float down this thing. What would like time see river rafting? Yes, yeah, there you go. No, she didn't have a boat. Well, I mean she actually did. She she put the jest say she had placed a jet ski there way earlier. You know, she said I can get out on this. So this thing's gonna make too much noise. So she has a little inflatable are tube we have, and a pulley system. Yeah, the whole Animazon. Yeah, if he's not listen to previous episodes, that's a bummer for you. That would be confusing. Oh, so she gets to this river and her experience told her. Most of us, when we get to a river the Amazon, yeah, one thing will notice ride away is, hey, this river has water in it. Is Yeah, but also a lot of a lot of you know crocodiles in this water. We am you can see them. Yeah, it visually and most of us are. I do, and I've learned from years of research. And Yeah, you know, being alive is that if you just got to wait from the lineup perfect and you just talk right over them, you know, jump on one. I JUMP ON MS time. On the other one. You got a tight it just right time and just rightwise you can have in the water and that's what hit by truck by truck. Yeah, but in the universe trucks, the river, trucks are a big problem. So well, so most of us would say, man, look at all the gators in the water, I better stay out of it. She can see them with her weather glasses off to like they're big enough. While she's seen enough gators in her life to know whether she can see clearly or not that that's a gator. She's seen her up gators in her life. She knows a blurry one. Yeah, she's like, that's I'm pretty sure that's a gator. I can't see very well, but I'm pretty bare. Alligator for crocodiles in the rainforest, I don't know. Let's look at up alligators like the way you said frocks, Asian crocodiles. Of them. It's in the alligator of family in the Amazon. So yeah, care gators. Here's the thing that she knew gators. They tend to and have heavy emphasis on ten, but they tend to leave humans alone. And so, unless you provoke them, yeah, unless you're like dinory upon them. Yeah. And so she said, Hey, look, I can walk in this water with the gator friends or I could walk on the land with the potential of snakes and Scorpions and poisonous plants. And she walks through the water. So she walks through the gator water, with Oliver Wounds, through the Amazon's dirty river with the gator water, because she figured that was going to be safer for her than walking on the rainforest floor. Mind you, at this point she's already drenched, she's as been. This is days at this point. That's so days into this event for her. She's running out of candy fast and she's she's walking along this river. Well, yeah, the gators took it. Hey, we'll let you pass for to these candy, but you got a lab bag. What are you? An alligator? Pirates is? Are Those get holls? Why do they talk like that? I don't know. Yeah, it's just the way. It's an educated guess. Okay, I hate you for that. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at till in podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of perks like ad free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you got to do is text till into six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. That's till in two, six, six eight hundred sixt six, but thanks again for checking us out. So the she's walking through write the the rain forest did she's got to find a way out. She knows at this point where she's pretty confident, this point that nobody else survived this plane crash for sure. And what the things that she said after the fact. She said, if I would have found somebody else that survived, I think I would have died, because I think what we would have done is we would have waited together to be found. Yeah, but she said, but because I couldn't find any other survivors, she said that she realized she was on her own and she had to figure this out by herself, and so she was just like, I guess I gotta go, and so she thinks, if she thinks her being the only one that she could find was was the best thing for her, because obviously she would have survived. So she's walking through the water, waiting through gator gator water, and then she finds a broken down car in the middle of the ring forest and it's like it's like it's been broken down, like it's yeah, like vines growing on it and stuff like that. And she has a great idea because at this point the maggots are doing a number on our arm and she realizes, I gotta do something to get rid of these maggots, and so she takes the gas tank on that on this truck. I mean more. You to continue and she dumps it in her cut to use that to kill out all the Maggots, and so obviously I did not feel good, but it worked. They she had was able to wash out the vast majority of the maggots in her arm, in her arm from doing that. They are still was a few that doctors end up finding later, but she got the vast majority doing that. Doctors did say she didn't do that, she probably would have lost the arm, but because they were rapidly just how was your car out there? So at least she knows. She's close enough to society. Now. Yeah, I mean people, people drive through everywhere, you know, okay, and so like at some point someone was driving, probably round with a gas and then they did the similar thing that she did and they followed though the water. They didn't run out of gas. That because there's say yeah, go ahead, yeah, no, no, I wasn't like you to be the battery died. I don't know. Something happened. Was Light Cart probably they got strip by lightning. Yeah, anyways, something happened. They had to leave and you know, okay, it's you know, what are you gonna do? So she continues walking through the rainforest, the rainforest, along this this water, until she finally kind of ended up near this clearing space and was kind of giving up, like her injuries were getting the point where she could barely can't move me. She she was starving. She's right, for days of walking miles on these injuries, all the she's had is like a little back of candy, yeah, to sustain her, and so she doesn't think she's gonna make it. Well, there's when she started to kind of give up, a group of missionaries just happened upon her and they were like Whoa, like, you don't look good, and they were a lint. Know if you know this. They were. He's there's a cut on your arm and there are living creatures crawling in and out of yeah, well, here's here's the thing. She knew how to speak Spanish from her Amazonian days. Right, all right, so this girl just so want to make sure. It just seems like she knows everything. Yeah, she knows how surviving rainforest, she knows the gators are friends, not food, and she knows that she can speak Spanish. Yeah, she knows that she can speak you know, I never knew it before, but turns out I can well, we all can. It's all in us. He's gotta just gotta call it out. He's gonna find it. Yeah, you got to find the Finn the language within. Yeah, and so she knew Spanish. And so here's what's here's what significant. These missionaries, these weren't like these were local missionaries that were yeah, in Peru. Yeah, I wasn't a ratually like higher group of high school white kids after made the ANA. We're just like, we're here to serve. In Peru. Yeah, they got our tracos on and their oversized t shirts. That's what I pictured. But now these were like local, but local, local baptist. Yeah, the local madness. Yeah. Now these are local missionaries going into the rainforce to find tribal people's and tell them about Jesus. And they get they find this lady. But here's the problem, here's the problem that they they encounter right away. There was a lot of mysticism for the people in that area about like ghosts and demons in the forest. Oh, and Julia was messed up. She had some seger fallen from injuries, yeah, and severe. They thought she was a demon. Yeah, and so they were like afraid to approach her at first, and if she didn't know how to speak their language, she said that they probably would have left her because they were scared, but she was able to speak to them in Spanish and convince them. I'm not a demon, come, I'm not a demon, I just need your help. Yeah, that's what she said. So if you, if you, that's actually my code word for like if I'm like horribly injured, right, because I'm sure we'll be together when it happens, you know, if, like I break an arm or shatter my pelvis somehow a car accident together. Yep, right, and you just hear me shouting from the car. I'm not a demon, I'm not a damn that's honestly. I think that's how I'm gonna die, just so you know. No, I think I'm gonna die in like you know, I've said this before, I think. I don't know if said on the PODCAST, but like choking on something. Oh Yeah, yeah, you know, in my basement, you know, and I'm yelling up the stairs to my wife and I'm like please save me, and she's like he's doing a bit. Yeah, you know, yeah, he's joker, a rested real filming to Tick Tock down there and I'm like yeah, they yeah, forwards, bit ive heard it before, you know, and that's how I'm going to die. Yeah, so, just so you know, if you say I'm not a dem and you know I'm it, this is real. This is real, this is real. But here's the thing, Jos, you're gonna let me die. Dang nabbit. Is the thing I would expect you. I say I'm not a demon in Spanish. That's you. Help me. Yeah, if he knows, not diablow, I would assume. That's my guess. Okay, that's your educative guess. Yes, you said it's so confident. Hold on to see. I'm not a demon. Google translate. We need to learn this phrase in all which is this is something wetter. What country you're in? You know this in French, in Spanish, in Chinese? Oh, I was close. Oh, they got another word for the demon. I don't know that. No, so it Wun Demon Ne. Oh, that sounds like someone who's faking. Yeah, did he with the DEMIO? I'm not a devil, as also demonio. What's The oblow? The ablow is I thought that was devil. If you're not Satan, your no son Satan set. Say to NAS, say to NAS say, say to NAS. So it says as it's the ablow. Anyways, this is Diablo, is devil, right, no, shut up, is it is so the missionaries. They end up helping her. That a first aid kit on hand. Didn't do much with it. It was just duck shaming. AIDS Daven what man? Absolutely vestling's right, because DOC David Man's duct, the oil, it helps, you know, anyway, darts anywhere in my glove box. So it's hot. It's like, oh a green man, let me put this in your wounds. Yeah, you're hurt. I hate her. And Oh man, I passed the car acts in the other day, right, and I got out. Don't already, I got me. The paramedics showed up, but I was like no, no, parameos already here. And so I was in there rubbing mayonnaise on this girl's wound. Right, YEP, helmet did not make you. She did not make it. So, yeah, they said that she got an infection, Absolu grat they were like, she would have made it without this mayonnaise. Why would they call it miracle whip if it couldn't heal you? I say that is. You know there's people who use mayonnaise like a cleaning thing. I did not know that. Yeah, there's weird people out there, like some people use vinegar. Yeah, well, putting it in things, like they're wiping down counters with mayonnaise. That is the grossest the got of her. Well, I mean, I'm not I'm not here to I don't know where this senten is going. I don't know how somebody were interrupt me. Okay, so they had the first aid kit, so I had the first kid, kid. It didn't help much, but it was enough. It was enough to get hurt. Someone get her too, to the point where she could be airlifted to the hospital. She gets the hospital and they end up at the hospital being like yeah, you're you're injured. Yeah, Hey, we've got more candy for I diagnosis injured. Yeah, do be a doctor's so easy. So they nurse her back to health and then, once you said that's so casually, how long is that take? I don't know, I don't have any input. Okay, but so after she recovers, she actually assists the search party to go back into the jungle and find the bodies of everyone. Oh my God, she lost because she knew from her experience in Homeschool, different kind of home school, the most people, but she knew it's easy to get lost in the Amazon. Yeah, most every homeschooler graduates knowing it's easy to get lost in the amazone. Yeah, that's like they're weird secret phrase they have. Hey, where you? Hope were you? It's like it's like it's like, Hey, were you lost in the Amazon? It's easy to get lost in the Amazon. That's how they know they found another one, you know, and they have like a weird handshake. You know, it's like this, give your hand. We had a blur it. We're not allowed to give it away. Yeah, yeah, just like that. Yeah, just like that. Yeah, so because of her time in the Amazon, right, she knew it's easy to get lost. So she left the trail. I don't know if it was like like twigs, right, bread crumbs, break crums. She's like a good thing. I got this loaf of bread. Yeah, I'm very hungry. made it out. My brother Han sold it. Not Something Real, least some breath. Maybe he'll go. I've got this bag of candy. Yeah, what else will I do with this heather full tray? She got like a variety pack of a lace chips, you know, and she's just like here's a lace chip, here's a Lido. Yeah, yes, the cool ranch to Redo. All the alligators are following behind her. Just yet them right behind her. She has no ideas, like I'll make it back, I'll make why is she leaving crumbs in the river, you idiot? Were you talking about the follow behind her? You know, the path of the river. You think she was just like no, don't, don't try it out to be an idiot real quick, right. You think that, even if it wasn't food, she was leaving behind whatever she was making a trail with. You think she was still making that trail in the river? Yeah, probably, because here's the deal. Yeah, I'm a really are very bland rivers, like you know, rivers that are just borning. That's the know ary rivers in the Sun River. Yeah, the rivers in the Amazon. They're just dull and you can't tell them apart because all deep is that. How deeper water was she walking through, you think? I mean, she probably was only walking through a couple feet. She's s like the run on the edge. You know, I got check anyways. So she's she left like little clues and signals, so she knows that's a place I've been before, and so she leaves them back through and in a recovering most of the bodies. Oh Wow. What's crazy is how many people died in the she was the only survivor. Well, I mean about how many? Let's see, it was there's eighty six passengers, eighty five died, ninety one people in all and cleaning the crew. So she was one of ninety one to survive. Wow, and they actually found her mother and they said that her mother survived, but she ended up dying from her injuries because she couldn't. She had very severe injuries. So she survived the fall and just kind of lived there in the rainforest a little longer and then end up dining from injuries, which sounds horrific awful to just like survive that fall. But now you don't know if she woke up, though. That's true. Yeah, she might have just been knocked out the whole time. Yeah, but yeah, so she she ended up going back and studying bats and the rainforest. What, I don't know. There was no spoonsher it is that? You mean she went back to where the plague crash was yeah, she's like. She's like, yeah, I want to know what the bats there. This is a good yeah. Yeah, so after the fact they made a movie about the her story called Miracles still happen, and then also there was a couple documentaries called another was a documentary called wings of hope, and then there was a book about her her own autobiography, called when I fell from the guy man, you gotta Really Hope. And no one ever hit on her after that. So walks up to her in a bar was like, Hey, did it hurt? She's like yeah, a lot. Yeah, actually, like really bad. Yeah, here's all kind of hurt. Here's a book. Yeah, you see this, you see this scar? Hey, I hadn't heard Maggotson fell from heaven. Yeah, yeah, pretty bad. Yeah, I the closest thing that you probably experienced. Have you ever like jumped from the high dive and belly flopped? It's like that, but if the high dive was tenzero feet, like a survive. Well, here's the here's here's what's crazy. So after this happened, or try it, you and I jump out of a plane, see who makes it. No parachute, no parachute, yeah, not interested. I'm not a demon, I'm not a dete. So after this happened, they like launched an investigation on this airline, Lancer, the the plane that was in this fight, was a Lockheed electro turboprop plane, is, is one of those big steel looking planes. Right well, ended up discovering after the fact that this plane was built, here's a direct quote, and seven assembled entirely from spare parts of other planes. And so they said that it's entirely because of the way it was constructed that it broke apart when I got stopt lightning, because it shouldn't have done that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it should have been damaged, but it shouldn't have just split up. You think people are more likely to survive the fall if it stays intact? I think probably, unless it like blows up, because because the only reason she survived was because the chair cushion or fall, and so barely. I mean, yeah, but if you're able to have something like if you free from all other items, just hit the ground, you're probably dead right, but if there's something there to cushion your fall, then you might survive. This is actually this is a good no, this was recommended by one of our patrons, daily man, again ironically, and another patron, chump white. Do we not have the names? I don't have I don't have our our specially yet. Okay, I don't have that yet, so I don't know. But there's a there's a video explaining what to do if your parachute he sent like this video explaining what to do if your parachute fails. Oh and the lesson is spin. Well, actually it's make yourself flat like a pancake, and I will slow you down. But then it's fine something to land on, basically, whether that's like trees or something like that, not water, like swamp, trees or something else. I camera what they said, because I'll break your fall, and they said you're going to break your legs, but you might survive if you can land in something that'll break your fault. So my assumption is, if that's the logic when you're falling free fall, that a plane would help, because then the plane would break the fault right the fall. You just got to hope that the plane doesn't explode with the plane's floods you're done. Yeah, so anyway, so they got in a lot of trouble for that, you know, because it's kind of like and she us, or a picture her now. Yeah, so here she is at the plane crash now, and then also there she is when she's going to do with some bird I don't know. And that's her now. Well, that's her. And like I know the S or s whenever they tried to breathe the plane, whenever they made the movie about her. Oh Wow, yeah, and yeah, that's the so, I mean she's still walks and everything. Yeah, I mean her injuries were a broken collar bone, which is a serious injury, but you can heal from that, a torn ascl again serious, but you can heal. Probably her most severe injury was that frashured I said earlier. What is that her arm in your in your spine with the fresh are vertebrae? Yeah, they're her vertebrae. That's probably was saying. Is She's up, walking and everything. Yeah, you know, she never would have guessed that she felt tenzero feet from the sky and survived if you just saw her walking through your local Walmart or something. Yeah, sometimes I do see people that I think has happened to though. He's a Walmart and I go it looks like you've fallen tenzero feet from the sky. Did that happen? And I don't mean that in like did it hurt kind of way, I mean like I know it to look at you a kind of way. You know, I'm sorry about you. were seeing sometaly so ugly that you're like me. I hope something happened. I hope that's not an actur it. That's terrible. Yeah, so that's wild. Yeah, absolutely insane story, terrifying. Yeah, I couldn't imagine literally every step of this road, falling without a parachute, finding the maggots in your arm cont the forest like eating candy, like all of this is just horrible, like it's I can't believe that, like through the rainforest rivers with alligators like that's yeah, and she knew, she knew enough to know she still a better chance walking without the gators than walking with the snakes. Walk with the GATORS. Actually a gospel album. And Yeah, if you look it up, track seven is called fiddle off things of the last night is a production of space tim media produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connerbet. Social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg, our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at Tilling podcast, that's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review, comment, subscribe wherever you are. 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Lake City Quiet Pills – The Hitman Ring Hidden on Reddit

05-31-22

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Hey Man, oh, nothing much. I had that one of my back pocket. I was fun has. What's what's up? That's what you say. What's up? What's going on? What's going on, man? Have you ever heard of Lake City quiet pills? Hold on, say it's lower like. No, not stop. Lake City, quiet quiet pills. That's what I thought you said, quiet pills. Yeah, all right, that sounds like a community, in a like a really rich neighborhood called Lake City. All right, and the quiet pills were the MOMS passed to each other to get their kids to go to sleep at night. fittle off right. That's exactly what it is. It's close. It's a neighborhood of parents drugging their kids. It's pretty close. Before we get too far into this, I think we need to lay a couple ground rules for today. There's going to be some quotes I'm going to read where there's curse words, and I just need you, Darren, to have your head on a swift hole to bleep me when I am about to cuss. All you want me to let you go. You want me to go bleep. Yes, we're going to post. No, I want you to just be ready and when you think I'm about to cuss. Just bleep it. I'm sorry, I just I thought I thought you were about to say it. I like this new role. I don't. I think you're bad at reading. Is the problem. Right, so I don't know if you're having trouble reading words or if you need to like give us a cuss. Work, you know, will kill a guy. But this is where we draw the line. I don't drug dry alice is looking at me be like, does cheering believe this? How to deal with your seventy nine year old GRANDPA if you're unfamiliar, if you're not one of the old like me and Tim Mark, things I learned last night. All right, so, Lake City, quiet pills. Okay, this is a reddit mystery. That seems to be fairly true. There's well, we'll let you, will let you, let you decide at the end of this. What do you think? But it begins in two thousand and nine. To be their verdict. Is True, untrue? Yeah, is this a true story or not true? That's what I'm going to call right now. You literally just pulled that out of yeah, just like you reached into your brain with your hand, physically, Yep, and held the cube of Truth Cube with truth. It's been in there the whole time. Yeah, you sometimes I work for the police department. MMM, they call me in on criminals. I talk to him and you know, that's what all I detector tests are. It's just me in a room with a criminal pulling out my truth quelch's goop. I'm like, you're going to maybe pull out my truth cube, Liar. So, so this all begin in two thousand and seven when a guy made a reddit account. I was trying to be ahead of it. A guy made a reddit profile and his user name was religion of peace. Oh No, like was is going already. And this guy was a very eclectic redditor and he became relatively famous in the reddit world as a an old war fat. He said he was seventy nine years old. Okay, which there's some debate on how old he actually is, because sometimes he said he was seventy. But okay, who knows? Either way, maybe he was just saying I'm in my seventy or maybe it's the type of the nine is right next to the zero. Sure. So Anyway, so you seventy nine. But he did talk about serving in World War Two and he used some pretty outdated military jargon, lingo and in his kind and his everyday conversation, he seemed to be very fed up with a lot of the world we're gonna be familiar with, like reddit culture. For this makes sense? No, I mean, I mean, I'll explain anything that we need to understand. Okay, and for those of you don't know, read it is a forum, and so you make users and you put stuff. It's a lot like so any social media kind of sure, but he and he was a part of a lot of a lot of different subred it's. So subredit's are like basically channels or groups, if you will, that you can join or on a topic where, yeah, yeah, and you can join them. A lot of them are public, some of them are private, and so he was actually the monitor moderator of a pretty infamous Reddit, subreddit that had caused a lot of controversy for the platform called Jailbait, which you might be able to guess the type of images that were shared on this subreddit. And he was a moderator and he he talks about how he talked about on Reddit in goodred forums in all about the thread, yeah, Jail Bait, where they're posting pictures. Yes, got it, and and and what he would say, this is so creepy. What he would say is he said, I'm an old man and my policy these days is I like to look at the flowers, but I'll never pick them. So very creepy guy. Right. Yeah, just kind of makes you scarring skin crawl kind of person. Right. Sure. Well, he always talked about like these crazy experiences and war and all this stuff like that, and he became sort of a a famous figure on reddit himself and everybody, I don't want to say looked up to him, or maybe was entertained by him, seem enough that he would say, and he was always telling the stories, he went by religion of peace, but he also called himself my loow, so we think that his name might have been my low. Well, then one day in two thousand and nine he made his last reddit post and it was a typical post for him, complaining about spam on Reddit and saying read it needs to do more to block spammers on the platform. Sure, basically, later that same day a new user account was created and they posted something to the main thread of Reddit. So the red they have a subreaddit called our all and that's goes to everybody on Reddit and he posted it was titled the end of Religion of peace and he says I'm the person who provided religion of peace the space for that old guy's image host, which we'll talk about in a second. He said Milow died today. He was seventy nine years old. He died at his desk. Looking at your site, my low was a mean old bleep. Sorry, I really didn't think we're going to port a post. I didn't think you were serious. Mean and honor e. He looked. He looked me up with my first GIG when I got out of the army. I didn't feel like or I didn't like finding him like this. He said, my low, milow, don't have any living relatives and no real friends and other than his landlady and a few people where he worked, he didn't talk to anyone about much of anything. Me He just tolerated. As I said, he was mean. I think he used that as a shield to keep people away from him. My little thought God was some kind of game thought up by some lazy sons of Bleep Pirl who didn't want to work every day. So he's going into the fire Monday without a service, just like he wanted, and I'm planning to dump his ashes in the woods and Pennsylvania, where he was born. So, while I can't put them right there because there's all there now, that would suck o, the one place that you're like, please scatter my ashes in this beautiful scenery, and it's like, well, it's kind of miniums now, great pop. So when me and your grandma went on a road trip, we pulled off the road and there was this beautiful lakeside area and it's like it's a resort. Now. I can still scatter your ashes there, but it's going to get vacuumed up. Please don't scatter me in like a Hilton Conference Room. You know, it's where he was wanted to be. It's then he says. He says, I gave the girl next door his raggedy old cat and most of his books, his computers and elect you to want it. Please take this. He's like, all right, raggedy old cat, and then he said his computers and his electronic Oh beep, sorry, I know you're bad at reading. Is the problem, right? So I don't know if you're having a trouble reading words. Or if you need to, like give us a cuss word. You know, this is getting difficult because you don't realize how dumb you are. You know, are you? Sometimes you'll be like is this a Cuz I don't want to believe it. It was like I'm just having trouble over here. Just can't read all. I went to private school, you know. He said he tagged for the disabled vets at the Va. All the rest of the stuff is for the Salvation Army all those years and everything he owned fits at the trunk of my car. I don't know what else to say. I'll miss some miserable beep. Thanks. And so that was the easier named two six and so everyone was like, oh mylow died. That's kind of sad, but also, like amy, he was a mean person and he was constantly raging on this platform and clearly moderating a pretty nefarious side of the site. So but anyways, darn, he's gone. You know old man. Well, there's a couple things in this message that are important, though. He talked a little bit of out the old guy's image host. So one thing, that one thing that milow, or religion at piece, was constantly promoting on Reddit was a site that he ran called Lake City quiet pillscom. And on that website what was peculiar is if you landed on link city quiet pillscom, it was a blank page. There's nothing there. But if you followed one of the links he gave you, as like Lake City quiet pillscom, Wi archives, this, this big thread, then you would land on the home page and the home page was titled that Old Guy's image host and on there. It was an image host for an appropriate images. Okay, and so what we're talking about? Legal Images? Most likely? It's not most likely. In in the expectation for most people originally was that it was set up this way to kind of hide the image host. Sure you couldn't get there without the unique being specific link. Yeah. Well, after he died, so people started doing some digging on him because they were curious. They said that this all seems a little strange. They a lot of people had questions about him, his age and the stories he told. He said he was on the beaches of Normandy on D Day, which, if his age was right, if any of the suddy night, he would have been fourteen. Yeah, which is not impossible. There were some people who enlisted at a really young age during World War Two, but weren't on the beaches of Normandy. Probably. Well, probably, because that was very much like a frontlines, like we're sending our grunts to that, because I knew a lot of people were just going to get off on right the storming. So maybe, but it's it. It is unlikely that this guy at fourteen was doing that. Sure it. So a lot of people had questions about him. So they started researching and doing some digging, trying to figure out, okay, what other side was religion piece on? What else can we piece together from this story? And here's where things start to get really interesting. So yeah, because so far, just so we're we're at so far? If the story ended here, an old guy who's really creepy online stories, pictures that are most likely illegal pictures, dies. He's pretty active on read it, he dies and somebody has let the community of read it know that this guy's gone. That's where we are so far. Yes, yes, but a lot of people started looking into that user, religion piece, and also the two six, and so they started finding other accounts with too six in the name on other forum sites all across the web. And one that was really the that was used a few times with a similar username was a US name angel to six, on a website called Fark, which is another very not great website, okay, with a forum. And on FARC he had this user name leap. Sir, I was a little late on that one. Yeah, the username angel to six, and then his his little description for his username underneath it on his profile was dispensing lake, city, quiet pills, to Lousy, oh beep, in need of permanent rest since one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight. You need of permanent rest and need a permanent rest since one thousand nine hundred sixty eight. So this guy to six seems to be I mean he mentioned that he provided the space to host that. Old Guys have a chose, which was called the city clot quiet pills. Okay, but the same day that religion of peace disappeared, to six appeared, and too six was tied to another. Well, at these posts. A look word before that post on Reddit. Yes, okay, the dispensing lekes a quiet pills one. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or if you're on Youtube, drop a comment if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose Cancaco. It's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff, and there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites, but thanks for being here. Okay. And he had also was found on a bunch of other random sites like Yahoo answers, answering questions on like arts and crafts. I think about those people sometimes. I think about the people that were answering Cora Questions Yahoo answers. Yeah, and there were people who were just taking that stuff too seriously, you know. Yeah, I'm curious. One of the things that is most curious to me is people who worked for Cha Cha, like how did they text? Yeah, that text thing, like how do they have any time? They was googling it. Yeah, but they only made like seven sense a text message, right and yeah, and then the peak, like they had to be getting tons of question how how much were they making pretext message? We know, I don't know how much was if you're unfamiliar if you're not one of the olds like me and Tim Mark, because apparently that's a thing now. Before googles on our phone, whenever we were in whenever we were young lads, young children, you data was very primitive on our phones, and so if you had a question like how many people live in Mount Vernon, Missouri, you would text Cha, Cha, which was two four, two four two, two four two, yeah, two four two two for two, yeah, and you would text that number and ask your question and then it would call editor, you know, variant amount of time, sometimes immediately, sometimes hours later. You would get a response, which means it's somebody. Yeah, multiple somebodies. Hopefully wasn't just one person. That's pretty bombers. So they had back in two thousand and eight, they had thirtyzero real human beings that were answering those crownies, fake ones. Why did you say it like that? Fortyzero real human beings, called them beyond seen million fake people. They call them guides, and they paid them three cents per answer. Three cents. So how much do you have to if it's three cents per answer, you got to answer thirty of them? Make a dollar? Yeah, right, so then you got to answer how many per hour. You got to answer three hundred of those per hour to make tens. Why would you do this? I don't know, man. I mean that was two thousand eight money. How many coutimes that was? How many do you think you could answer in an hour? I mean, let's try. How many people? Let's time you. Let's a start timer somewhere, starry. Timer Ready. How long is the drafts necks? Six feet. Okay, how many people live in Mounte Missouri? Forty five hundred. When was basketball invented? One Thousand Eight hundred and ninety one. When was the photo? Freeme invented a D fifty. How many? Or what's the WHO's the first president? On Video? You gotts say. One is a minute. Is it a minute? We passed a minute. I didn't start a timer. Oh Great, I thought how ext it. He said sixty seconds. I was a minute. So you can answer five in a minute, but imagine doing that for an hour. What's I mean? I have a guess, though. That's what that was. A that was right there. That was a dollar fifty, but that's it. They're coming. Yeah, but there's only thirtyzero people and this thing was everywhere. That's true. Everybody was constantly so, I mean, I remember we would just sit down for hours and just chat to our lash. So I'm saying you could just be mean. I'm and you've taught giants and if you're able to copy paste their message to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know, man. I don't know, man. It's crazy. The Google does that. It's crazy that Google has thirty is about, doesn't your Google? Man. So I don't know how we got off on that, but whatever. Oh, yeah, who answers? So this to six character? Yeah, so he's on Yahoo answering questions about arts and crafts and DIY projects also. Okay, which makes sense. Yeah. So anyways, so there's these Internet sluice that are digging through the web trying to find traces of religion, a piece and of two six. And what's peculiar is there's a lot of areas where they seem to cross pass. These accounts are relatively unique account names and they seem to be on the same forums. So wherever to six is budget to pieces and vice versa. And so they're starting to put together this thread that they're pretty closely connected. Sure, if not, maybe the same person. I ever tell you about one of them. The message I got from a guy like maybe like a year and a half ago, who was just like hey, this is a random, weird question, but was your user name Blah Blah Blah on this forum? And I was like, Yep, because he and I when we were in high school, Middle School. Yeah, I don't know, I used to work, because I my first job was a computer repair shop. Yep, and I used to do online support on some computer forums and also website for I'm showing you that form I was a part of. Yeah, people would just be like how do I do this in this website building thing? Yeah, he and I would just answer, but we were like fourteen and he is messaging. was like your name is very unique and there's only one other one that I've known, and he went by this on this forum. I'm not saying because I want people to find me. Yeah, that's fine, pretty weird. That is Super Spook Ay. Well, I know he wasn't doing it to be weird. He just came across one of my, you know, very viral videos. Yeah, that's fair. So they were they were on the same forms. Is what I just mean. Like, yeah, I remember that time of my life where I was on forums a lot and we were on several different of the same ones. Yeah, yeah, because your friend would invite you. Yeah, that's true. But where this went from like a kind of well, this becomes really interesting is when people started looking at the source code of like city quiet pills. Oh, and and if you look anywhere on like city quiet pillscom, you're going to find a very normal mid two thousands website source code, except if you went to that main page, that was blank. Now in the main page, if you don't, if you're not familiar with htm now or any cuding language for that matter, they're these things called comments where you can throw comments into code. Just I took I just took the screenshot from Amazon. And so these green text with that start with that the carrot and the exclamation point. That's a comment. And what that is is that's not visible on the front end of the site. No one's going to see what this is. It's for the developers to be able to add comments to explain what they're doing to somebody else who's going to common work on this code. And so these are explaining what these different features that they're adding and what they are doing below that. And the idea is when you're working on very complex things with lots of different people, you're basically is leaving notes of like here's what this section is you leaving a paper trail. Well, on Leacy, quiet pills. On the main page there were these comments that were crazy. So here's the first one that was found. Okay, nothing on there except for this comment. It says immediate need. Eight to ten Chinese, Korean, fluent Korean dialect, accent, details after contract, twelve week half pay sequester on refusal to ground types. Fluent Farsi, Arabic, French, no papers, no problem. Need formed group. Eight to ten, single OP delivery Bonus, gentlemen's agreement, insurance. Immediate need. What? But in this code it says, okay, multiple easy leading for people who speak those languages. That's what it sounds like, because it did, because it's fluent Koreanan dialect, accent. Okay, details after contact. So yeah, there's something very interesting going. Then single ob delivery bonus, and this is just hidden in the code. Yeah, so people have started logging onto the wayback machine, which is a site where you can look at all interesting yeah, if you don't know, you can pull that up and you can look up any website and you can see what it used to look like and it's constantly screenshotting the Internet, and so you can go back, pick a random you can view the code that way. Yeah, you can be the source. Did to that. And so they're going back and there's all these posts on this page. We'll pop up and they appear to be like job postings, and so they're saying like hey, we're looking to hire someone to do this. But there's a bunch of code words. There's phrases like CCW or w slash W and people have tried to interpret a lot of these codes. And so what a lot of people think is CCW stands for concealed carry weapons permit. A lot of people think ww stands for wet work or wants and warrants. What both of them? Wet Work is a common used term, at least in murderles. But for yea murder, murder, and then wants and warrants is basically like don't get caught. Got It. I thought you were saying that what works is a is a common lingo in murder, you know, in murder. No, that means murder. That means murder. It means you'RE gonna get your hands wet. And then so they, these predators, these Internet sluice, went back and they found July seventeen, two thousand and nine, which was that date? That to six posted that milow had died. Okay or religion a piece, I died. And they found a post that said on the source code of lacy quiet pills. It said, I'm sorry to tell you that milow died yesterday. He was quiet and calm, not like we all figured. I gave that fat mangy cat of his the girl, the little girl next door. No, services are nothing, you know, milow. I'm taking his ashes back to where his farm was, close to it anyway. There's a mall where his place was. So host a few for the hoist, a few for the old man. Remember what he said? Keep with the man who's got your back. And that was it. And that was in the in the source code, on the day he died, in the source code, on the day, that same time that he posts that Reddit Post. To six post that Reddit Post, a post that, I mean, it looks like it's written by the same person. Sure sounds very similar on lacy quiet pills in the source code. A few weeks later, another post popped up in the source code. It said, for those who have asked, I bricked Milo's iron key the same day. All as well, if you don't know what those terms being, iron key is like a underground slang term, basically for a USB like flash drive. Oh, and brick means you you killed the data, so you wiped all the data from it, so that way no one can get any access to what's in there. Okay. So everybody started to say, well, there's something weird. God. So we were checking it every day at this point. Yeah, and they were starting to see trying to see what's in our source code. I've been sneaking this stuffing. Now you got my head spinning. Nigo, check, make sure. Yeah, what's we gotta go clean it before this episode. What is you go to our source code of their stuff that you didn't put in there? Oh Gosh, I'd be so smoothed. I mean it's possible, it can happen. Well, what do you mean it can happen? Who can do it? I mean, if somebody can get find a backdoor on your site, they can do anything. To your site, and so if someone can manage to find a backdoor, they could do stuff like this and add stuff to your source code and make it like an illegal job posting site without you ever noting, knowing. Unless you're check, which I just checked in, there's nothing there. Where you checked your myerscom which one and ere? All right. So it became clear that that religion piece and to six are up to some sketchy stuff, sure, or at least trying to make people think they're up to sketchy stuff. That's probably more accurate. Well, here's the deal. A lot of people were like, okay, well, what's the deal? Because the website, if you go on on the actual side of the website, was called that old guy's image host. It never said Lake City quiet pills anywhere. Yeah, domain name was like Lake City quiet pills. So people looked it up and we're trying to figure out what's up with that name. What does that even mean? Well, in Lake City, Iowa, there's an ammunition plant called our an Ol in winchester ammunition plant, which is the biggest ammunition plant in the nation. That supplies the US government with ammunition. And so connecting the DOTS Lake City. Quiet pills are bullets, and so dispensing bullets to lousy old beeps since one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight means this guy's shooting people. This is that's what you got in this as trying to say. Yeah, so, basically what it came down to is all these Internet suits think that what's going on here is this is a job posting forum for a ring of assassins who are referencing this. Side just escalates so fast. You know, you know. So, is this the craziest part? And actually it's not. Now, so I want to run a know tim called me the other night and was like this is crazy thing, I'm looking into. I don't know if we can do it because it involves some things that are in are inappropriate. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure if we could talk about this because the nature of that old guy's image host. Sure, shop it is, because it is messed up. Yeah, we can, but I'm saying we can say it's wrong and then move on, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can. It's not it's the bad person not as much central to the story. No, no, no, it's if it's true that this is an assassin ring, yeah, well, he listened to this. So nove before teen, two thousand and nine. What is this like? Few months after religion of peace, or Milo, died? Yeah, a new post came into the source code. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify, Youtube. You'll get it alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. Helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. Thank you so much for being here. So people are still checking this every day? Well, I think at this point people are going back in the way back machine. Like I think people saw that post, they started doing some digging. After they figured out La city quiet pills stood for bullets, after they figured out that, yeah, they were on all these other forms, they eventually found this source code and they were going backwards. Sure. Well, neverber fourteen, two thousand nine, presumably to six. Posted in the source code he said Milos will, mileos will cleared probate, surprise. This is really tough to read because the spelling and grammage horrible. Surprise is spelled sire pr Ze. So that's why I'm stopping so much to O case says surprise. Milow was loaded. Email shade. If we sent you out between two thousand and five and two thousand and nine, shade will have checks cut for you. Amount is by how many times, not by pay total, a small shares, three to four thousand, and then a few months later, amount of times we sent you out. Yeah, okay. A few months later he posted we're having a birthday party for the old man on the nineteen. Party starts. Listen to this. Party starts a FI hundred at the usual send your RSPP to shade. Fy I were booking a room for three days for anyone coming out to the area and overnight for the locals. COME HOIST ONE UP FOR DUTCH MILO. And then they go on to list all these details which I'm actually going to pull up. I believe it's I thought you were saying, okay, Okoko Ka. So this is what this is one of the posting. So this is you can see that immediate need. One up there at the top for English French private security on Cruise. Yeah, must be bondable. Immediate need. Twelve as a Spanish speaking no papers required and robbers kept. So there's there's a bunch of postings here right. Well, here's another one. Oh my gosh, and in here I'm trying to find the spot I saw this earlier. Hotel rooms. Yeah, we go. Thirty eight rooms in the Marriott on forty six. Shade has the key cards for locals. Pick up at the party. Give your travel name to the desk and that's it. No ID needed, since we're covering the bill. Keep the room service under five hundred. Okay, the phones there are not secure. Bus from the hotel leaves, which is spelled leafs. Yeah, at one thousand, three hundred and thirty. Car Service vouchers for return ship when you're ready to crash. Don't Dui. And these are these are broken down by date as well. Here. Yeah, and so you see it's going upwards. Here's the final for the party. Hotel rooms. Forty eightzero dollars. Yeah, okay, so listen to this. So this party, the date and time of this party, coincides exactly with the date and time of the assassination of Muhammad all Moba, who which was a an officer, a Hamas officer, who was killed in his hotel room and Dubai and on January nineteen, two thousand and ten. And in the video what happens is you see he leaves his hotel, he goes shopping. Bus Pulls Up, a few individuals come into the hotel and then they go up to where his room is. They somehow enter his room. All of them are covering their head, so you can't like identify them. Go into the hotel room. And then Muhammad comes back, goes up to his room and then those individuals leave his room and he's later found dead in his room. Same Day, same time. And then how many people? There's a few individuals. Sure that it wasn't like a it seems like it was the same number or whatever. So the theory is that this birthday party was code for an actual hit that they were hiring for. And then you started reading. They had the they had the total bill for the party, which doesn't sound like a bill for a party. It says here's here's the final for the party. Hotel rooms. Forty eight thousand three hundred limo, six thousand bus, five hundred, sixty barbell eighteen thousand food, eight thousand dancers, eight thousand miscellaneous tips, Fifty miscellanes expenses, twenty eight hundred med supplies, one hundred and eighty fat Tommy and stew are okay, to total ninety four thousand dollars. You all did Dutch mylo proud. Thanks. Okay, even in the craziest of circumstances, this size of a party is. It's a lot, sure, and to have it happened at the same time and to have at least some similar like we know that a bus pulls up and drop off a few people, okay, know that where there others in the hotel that we're booking rooms. And when you look at the the original post it's peculiar the way they listed it, because they were saying they were saying don't or the the phone lines are not secure, right, use your travel name at the desk, don't Dui. These are a lot of things that are kind of strange things to tell a bunch of adults that are so on the night teeth. On January nineteen, someone is assassinated. Yeah, and that's the same day of this party. Party starts at. Party starts at one thousand five hundred, as at the usual so in your RSVP, the shade. Okay. And so the theory is that this pretty high profile assassination. You think this is in Dubai? Yeah, was pulled by them. Yeah, and so the theory is that they're using a lot of code here because they don't sure under the understand what's happening. So I I don't know what that breaks down to show that it's actually Dubai. But in theory what happened here was they pulled one of the most high profile hits and some people on anked it back to them. Here's what's really interesting. The credit cards use on a block of rooms purchased in the hotel that night were registered under account from a city in hold on. Let me double check this make sure I give the right one. I can't find the exact name of the city, but it was one town over from the Lake City Ammunition Plant in Iowa and Iwa so a lot of use at the hotel in Dubai. Yeah, at the time of this assassination. Okay, for how many rooms? I don't know. I don't know how many rooms. I don't have that EXAC. I'm saying that if they're booking, we got thirty eight rooms, yeah, in the Marriott. Yeah, on forty six. Yeah, which, I'm my guess is third numbers for you, sa Marriott even are probably code. Okay, yeah, that's my guess. Sure, but I don't know. So after this happens, the the site gets encrypted. So these MESOS messed up with. These people are, if they are assassins. I do like that. They're passionate about anti drunk driving, though. You know, don't do Ui with like five exclamation points. Well, the there is that that that's also a code. Dealis also some other cooke were for something. Yeah. Well, my theory is a Dui is code for driving under the influence. You got MOMS against drunk driving. You got a add which is assassins against rung drive. Will kill a guy. But this is where we draw the line. Don't drug dry. Yeah, so the this was a very publicized assassination. They never found who did it. Sure traded it. And when these redditors started saying that they think it was the Lake City quiepills people. Yeah, all of a sudden the source code became encrypted. So you can still go on and access it, but it was not written like that. It was encrypted. Yeah, I was wondering if, because they're to six, person can probably obviously see that these threads are starting about the source code, for sure, for sure, and it's like, and then the redditor started trying to decrypt it and they were posting about it and then they double crypt lets. So they encrypted it and then encrypted the encryption, and so it was. It became the sort of thing where it's like you're never going to figure out what the said. A few days later, Lake City quiepills got taken down. So sorry, just gone. Yeah, so it's pretty highly likely that they just moved this somewhere else, sure, but the the whole scenario seems like there's one of two things going on. M This is an assassin ring that had a that we're trying to hide in plain sight. They were using something that they said, Hey, this is a weird website that most people are going to try to ask this, but even if they do, like, we're in this other subset of the site where, yeah, most people aren't going to access it and we can hide all of our stuff here. And they were a part of this big, high profile assassination. Some people caught them and then they went into further into high your hiding. Yeah, the other possibility is that this was some big hoax to generate some traffic to La city quiposcom for the that old guy's immage host. Okay, because if you look back on religion pieces posts early in the process, he began developing this in like two thousand and one and he's posting on FARC all the time talking about this project and took him years to accomplish it. Sure, put it live and he really wanted it to grow, but it only ever got about a thousand users, which is a lot. But the issue with that theory is that him devising this weird yeah, this whole theory hopes stuff. It's pretty far fetch it's kind of like the watcher thing, like it's a really far fetched way to try to drum up some in a few more users on your website. Yeah, some activity on your website, and even those, those users aren't using your website for what you built it for. And but the lynchpin in that is that the eventually they took the site down, and so if this was being used to drum up traffic, then more traffic we've been good. Yeah, then they would have let it grow and leave it up, but they took it down when more people started looking at it interesting. So at the end of the day, we don't know exactly what's going on with Lake City quiet pills. It does kind of seem like this was some weird dark underground like assassin's ring. There has been a lot of people who have roses looking straight at me. When I looked over, Alex was like Alex is looking at me. Be like does cheering believe this? And Genal looked over and now was just like please don't. He's giving me those eyes where he's like, come on, talk some sense in here's talk some sense, do it, try it. Yeah, they're not assassins to him. I think there's it's just idiot teenagers who figure out how to write an html. And they were like, you know, soon day we're going to be the subject of a podcast. There listen to this and they're going to giggle. All right, they're like. They're like, you know what, some day someone's going to move into this house and they're going to be finishing the base, but they're going to open up the water check house. Source Code. Yeah, maybe that's that's possible. Yeah, that's possible. We've encrypted our source code. Here's was interesting. Since all this blew up, a group, another group of Internet sluice, have followed the paper trail and done like all that stuff that the catfish does, yeah, to track down the ownership of all these domains. Right, and they what's interesting is Lake City quiet pills was purchased from a domain house called Crystal Lakes, which is not a thing, at least not anymore, and not a domain host anymore. Right. But if you go back in the way back when she seen it was a a landing page where they did do domain hosting. Okay, but also in the footer of this landing page it was political rants from a guy named Milow, and so it seems like my low bought this domain from himself and from a crystal lakesite that he would have run, run himself, and he used to put all his political rants before he found read it. I love that somewhere out there there was just some guy who was like the Internet's knew I could build a website. I must use this to yell. Well, here's the thing is, it was a business website, like he was. It was literally would look on it was a normal business website selling where sites. He's just got very hot. Here's my political yeah, it's good of my website, Jer Mars Kam was got my tour dates, merchandise and the very bob was a little leg that just as rance. You can click that and I just go off, man, I don't even hold back. You know, I don't even use punctuation. As far as we down. Here's my safe place to yell. All caps, no punctuation. Here's what's interesting about this, though, is on crystal lakes you can check domain verification and it actually belongs to a guy named Mike, and the the accounts tied to two six also belong to a guy named Mike, and so these sleuths seemed to have tied together. It's a mic, I think, w something at like Gmail, something like that. So they seem to have tied together, that there's some guy named Mike who's playing the role of religion of peace and also playing the role of two six and maybe piecing together this assass and ring or maybe making it all up. The probably biggest point of maybe the none of this is real, is to sit the this this email address has an account on good reads. Hey, and I'm good reads. There's a bunch of books about arts and crafts, old on, all right, because he really answers a lot of yahoo answers about yeah, now there's a bunch of books about old Warren, how to deal with your seventy nine year old GRANDPA, how to understand what you're seventy dollar old GRANDPA sets translating as several SCRIPTA on encrypted the language. It was seventy nine year old old war books, all war might beginning star. I swear I'm saying it's like if he's lying about a bunch of so, for example, there was a guy from my high school who was very you know, every small town apparently just has a pathological liar. I didn't know every small and everyone has a lot of Peth oh yeah, but I mean like every small town has one. Yeah, they there lie there their local liar. Yeah, and ours told us all these fantastic stories of crossing the ocean into Africa and he had a shark tooth necklace and he got it from a real shark, you know, like just all these crazy things. Yeah, but one of the things he always said was that he's an assassin. Yeah, and so I would imagine if there's somebody who spends their day online making up all these fantastic war stories, yeah, they probably are making up the idea of an assassin ring as well. Maybe, maybe, and probably the most, but they would broadcast that. That's the only thing that that's the only thing that holds you back from it. is like, if he's making that up, he would have broadcasted that. The fact that it was hidden. Yeah, it is very odd to do something like this so underground because so few people are going to engage with it, right, unless you're also creating the accounts that like found it. Yeah, that is possible, I suppose. But also on his good read reads account was a bunch of books about assassins, one literally tild titled Wet Work. So some people think that this is just a guy who's writing books on how to assassin people. I think their novels like a novel story about like a love story about an assassin and assassiny. That's where I wanted at all. In love with the person they're supposed assassinate. There's putting books out there called how to kill people or I don't know if I did it. That was a good joke. That was yeah, so we're not believe I didn't, though we could this part. I'm more afraid of OJ Simpson that I have this ring of assassins. Well, I don't know, maybe Olja's one of them. Go to his website, check his source code. Oh, yeah, no, don't actually do that, I say it anyway. So, I mean, here's the thing. I already said it was true. So it's got to be kind of yeah, you pulled it out here, brain you. Yeah, it's I don't know, like, is that all there is about it? There's some things that make it seem like it's probably assassin fake. But the the timing of that big high profile assassination, the connection of the credit cards. Yeah, it's pretty peculiar that that's a coincidence. Is it possible that it is? Sure, sure, but is it possible that this was the group that pulled that off? Sure, well, if you check our source code. Yeah, and big bold letters of the top, it just says that leapt on. Things are done. Last night is a production of space tim media produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Bets, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our host are Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Fall us on your favorite social media platform at Tillin podcast is till and podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I've learned last night


Since the start of the internet, forums have been a strange place. Something about allowing people anonymity brings out the worst in humanity. The effect was in full display for Reddit user Religion of Peace. Known for running one of the most nefarious and controversial subreddits in the platform’s history, the user garnered an almost mythic status during his time … Read More

Biosphere 2 – The Practice Mars Colony In Arizona

05-24-22

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird

Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of biosphere too? I really hope it's a video game. It's not, or a is it a movie? Then no, it's very much a real life thing. Oh See, that's what I was worried about. I was worried that it was going to be just a sphere, like, you know, like Sandy Cheeks House, who were sandy cheeks, the Squirrel, whose name I didn't understand until much later in life. It's you're a little dome. Look at them. Yeah, and well, it says to which means the first one everyone died, and the second one. That's what that feels like. That feels like a place. You know that place. You know what I'm thinking of in Springfield, the qps place or whatever. That does like experimental dreams. Yes, YEP, if you're unfamiliar with the experimental places, they'll pay you like twozero just to stay the night. Yeah, and then they'll just rub some cream on your arm and see if your arm is still there in the next morning. Yeah, basic, if you are still there. Yeah, like, well, we got this new auction. Yeah, Johnson and John's an ultra healing actually just shredded somebody's heart. Just what is that? Shrunk your arm. What if you're like, we're gonna have to call Johnson. Johnson, tell him that change the name from ultra healing to ultra killing healing, ultra healing, I'll drink keeling healing killing. What are you? Jeff done him his little puppet? This is I keel you, I it does a healing. I just have killing. Oh, you, you've made it. I was trying to make it rhyme with healing, I guess. Yeah, I think that's what we were doing. You know, we went to the moon once. What if we did that other places? I don't know. She lost a figure. Maybe like like layoff for a little bit. Yeah, inside, looks like you're been to bass bro. They just loaded the two hundred research stuff into the limos. I'm trying to yes and you right now, but I don't know where we're going to go. Things I learned last night. Anyways, whatever, bias. Hey, maybe you are incredibly on the right track. Is it like a like a test? Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, actually, so biosphere too, is a earth system experimental science facility, and so the idea. Yes, yes, Ye, seth and SSS, that's a Oh, what and eggs and Earth System Science, research facility. That's how you said before. Yeah, I changed and Earth System Science now research facility. So basically, the idea them is what happened to biosphere one? Are we going to get there? Yeah, all right, hold on, you know what I'm going to ask. What? Where is this thing? It's on earth. Okay, that's all I wanted to know. That's all I want to know. I guess I've a biosphere too was built in the late S, okay, by a billionaire oil tycoon who was very concerned with the environment. His name is ED base. I feels that feels like an oxymoron. Yeah, yeah, it is all right. It is a really concerned with the environment. I don't know what's causing all this bad stuff to happen. It's it's it's a call a PR campaign. If you're company is really spending a lot of money on helping the environment, then you look better. So, yeah, I mean sure, are we killing just everything in our path? Yes, all right, but have you seen? But I do see biosphere to biosphere one. Are we killing everything in our path? Yes, I have you seen biosphere too, ed, what about the first one? He's like, I don't want to talk about the first one. If we could just not talk about it, that would be great. Yeah, he treats these spears the way he treats his exfoy. I talk about the second one. Oh my Gosh, D whatever. It Base Ed, base, all right, it's spelled like a Bass Guitar. Great, so he which? Yeah, so he's he is a rick and really, really dye and so jure in the world and then pretending he's saving it. Yeah. So he invested a hundred fifty million dollars in this biosphere concept and the idea was really twofold one. It was a place where you could learn a lot about planet earth. Right, remember, this is the early S. Captain Planet is in full swing. Yeah, people are all of a sudden realizing earth is important, we need to take care of it. Yeah, and so this is a big cultural shift in thinking, even for oil tycoons. They're starting to think of things differently. So so there's there's that. You think that oil tycoons in the late s were like whoops, like we didn't know, or do you think they were like MMM, they all found out? Which one do you think it is? I think it's more of a I think it's more of a whoops, we didn't know, plus a don't let this get out. Okay, so you think that they had that moment earlier? Probably, probably like the s. They were at maybe whoops, maybe. And then in the s they were like, Oh man, they're everything out. Let's build some spheres. Yeah, build the biosphere. We knew this was coming. Yeah, where's it? At Base? Go ahead and build two of them. So at base. But the other idea was, this was also the early s. We were like, Hey, you know, we went to the moon once. What if we did that to other places? What do you mean? Whatever, we did that to other places, like with there? Why would that be? How you worded that? Were you talking about, hey, we went to Chicago once, what if we did that to other place? Other place? What if it is went to other are you talking about if they went to other planets? Yeah, in the s people we like, we should go to Mars. Yeah, and but everyone was like obviously, like we can't survive on Mars. I see where we're going here, so we need to figure out a way to do that. So the biosphere was hey, the oil tycoons were like, all right, let's figure out a way to live on other planets, because this one's going downhill and it's like, but that's your fault because we're running out of oil, and I wonder if they have something there. Do you have a reason? Oh, certainly, yeah, certainly. Well, that was the case, would they just go to war with Mars? Shoot bars down? Let's just start an unnecessary war in the Middle Mars area and let's see if we can capture the war. I'm pretty pretty you were actually, surprisingly on the right track. They took this hundred fifty million dollars and in the desert north of Tucson, which, by the way, I just have to get this out, as I normally do, watch little bunch of videos explaining this, and a guy called Tucson Tuscan Arizona and didn't like Multiple Times called it Tusta several times now, a setting Arizona. Yeah. So, anyways, in the deserts outside of Tuscan Arizona, they took that hundred fifty million dollars and they built this gigantic holy cow facility. If you're an audio listener, imagine just a bad guys layer. Yeah, you know, that's crazy looking. Yeah, imagine the type of greenhouse you could build with a hundred and fifty million. They called this is fear. No wonder we're still on earth. Look anything like a sphere. So this facility, let'sten these other buildings around. There's a barn over there. So you're telling me somebody's house. Well, there's a barn, there's a farmer. Is that related to this? I don't think so. I think that's a nearby imagine you've got your farm and Duskin Ari'Sana right, and you're just out there into to K and are Athona, and so you've got your farm right and all of a sudden just freaking people and weird gray suit show up. That's either you know, that's what they were around here and they've all it looks like straight up like an Austin powers villain would live here at a hundred percent. Does it's and they start building this monstrosity. Yeah, it's ridiculous. That you just had to look at every day. Yeah, what's this little thing sticking up from the center right there? That's the library. I don't know the what did you just say? The library here to what? Are you stupid? We've established a long time ago. That, I say, is stuff weird. We don't have to keep rehashing that. Is that like a lookout station? I think. I don't know. I honestly don't know what's up there. Looks it is almost temporary, like it looks like it's made out of temporary things, as though it's very much not. It's very much not. Okay, so this facility, it's listen to this. So basically, if you look at this, this each of these pyramids, and then that mid big man's right audio listener. He said Pyramids. That's what a week the audio listeners don't aren't seeing this picture right now. Yeah, right, and they you just said Pyramids. Yeah, and if that doesn't scream the ILLUMINATI hpers, I don't know what does. Yeah, so there's so so to paint the picture. There's these two very large glass pyramids and then a gigantic glass structure connecting them. It's like a giant greenhouse. And then coming off the side of the middle of it, there is a large white building with very big windows and a lot of them in diamond shapes. Yeah, and then a tower in the middle that just reaches towards the sky. The best way I would describe this is if you know how they built a bunch of like airports in the S and s and they were like this is really cool architecture. Yeah, it's that, Yep, and then there, and then off the back of that white structure there's more green houses coming. Do those are greenhouses? HMM. And then behind one of the pyramids there's a big dome. There's actually another dome that's not in this picture. Yeah, looks like the top of a water tower, but no tower. Yeah, actually, just the water and and this facility also does have a big office complex. That's not pictured. Okay, and then like a couple warehouses and side watching. Good Green Grass. Yeah, Beautiful Green Lawn, which it was not sustainable. And that's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's. Yeah, they were very concerned about the environment, but they weren't concerned to do anything that actually helped. They instead built this gigantic building and powered it. So what was in here? So, so this was split up. Basically the ideas they created every biome in the planet on this in this building, and the idea was to recreate the environment of planet Earth inside this building and have it be completely self sufficient. So they laid down this thick layer of steel. So that way there was no way. It was like integrating with the soil. But and then they put in their own soil, and then that's interesting. And then chat over the course of a few years, they started to cultivate this into different biomes, and they did. They were very careful to make sure there was no contamination from the outside world from it. So it was all basically its own replicated earth. YEA, it was to duplicate the experience if we were good to go to Mars and try to create a facility like this where we would have to survive in right, that's what they were trying to do. So instid have to import so much dirt, though, I think, Oh, yeah, I'm I'm sure I probably took it from the farm next door. Yeah, but anyway. So there was a twentyzero square foot rainforest. In one of these. They did Ninezero Square Foot Ocean, which I can show you that actually have a picture of that. This is their ninezero square a foot ocean, which seems stupid, way smaller than Ninezero Square feel it looks like a long swimming pool. Yeah, it does, but inside this the actually grew inside looks like you're been to bass pro o? Yeah, it does. On the other end of this there's a beach and then they actually grew a coral reef in here. Really, yeah, inside this ocean. Yeah, that's what Mars needs. Yeah, how are humans going to survive without the coral reef? There was a price. He put it in there because he's you know. Well, I was out of guilt, because that's what he's destroying out in the oceans. Right. He wanted to see if he could recreate a base. It was like, that's for one thing I'm actively killing every day. Can We? Can we try that? He saw. Well, finding Nemo wasn't out yet. I Oh, yeah, this inspired finding Nemo. Biosphere. They did a forty eight hundred square foot mangrove wetlands, a forty. HAVE ANY LIVESTOCK IN HERE? Yeah, they did a Fourteenzero Square Foot Savannah and then a Fifteenzero Square foot desert, which I do actually have a picture of the desert as well for you to see, which I mean it's it. Calling a Basspara was a very good yeah, but let me feels like being park so far. Yeah, it's got this gigantic these tourists starts walking through yeah, they it is open to tourists these day. Is Interesting. Yeah, they didn't. Used to have all these bridges and stuff walking around it. Those are for the tourists. Yeah, but obviously, like, yeah, they created this environment in here for all of these. Is the idea that, like, so, without all these wood paths and touristy things. Yeah. Did they have like the animals? Yeah, yeah, so there was at one point over threezero species of animal and plants surtviving in here. Both. Like. Did they have rattlesnakes in this desert? I mean, I doubt they put rattlesnakes in the desert. Why wouldn't they? Because Ross snakes kill you. Yeah, well, they were on the ARC. The ARC was actually by as fair one. That's hilarious. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or, if you're watching on Youtube, leave a comet. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets who were separated at birth, unbeknowns to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in an episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one anyways. So they also had, we all know what happened to that, Twentyzero Square foot agricultural system, and so they had like a farmland that they were farming, and then they also had a human habitat. So that was the human habitat. And Habitat, so they had a root, a place that looked like nor our books. That was that was the white facility here. So big white building, okay, had apartments and offices and a kitchen, like all the stuff that you would have in life home, all the stuff that you would have if you were a human, you know, we talked about they had couches, pretty crazy stuff, man. Yeah, so here's so, here's here's where this all columnates though. Okay, so they they built this massive thing and they were going to do some research in it. But the exciting part of this was their manned omissions that they had planned, their main missions. YEA, so to one in September twenty six, one thousand nine hundred and ninety one. Okay. They had a crew of eight, four men and for women, who they locked in there for two years with literally no contact to the outside world. Like they were like we're not going to open the doors, and they were like go forth and multiply, and then they found the forbidden fruit, right, and so I'm paraphrasing, but you get it. And they got kicked out of the blowers feed bass, which sounds more like his legitimate name. You're saying Ed Basse, but you also listen to a guy say Tuscan Ed Bass. First of all, sounds exactly like an oil tycoon. Yeah, all right, and you know that he's got one of those floppy basses on his wall. You know. So it's for. It's four men forward, walcked in this sphere, right, with an ED BASS on the wall. That communicates all their things they need to know. Yeah, twice a day the ED bass goes. Ever see one of those? Yeah, Oh, yeah, they were. What's that McDonald's commercial? What if it were you hanging up on this wall. You like commercial? No, were you, you wouldn't be laughing at all. No, I watched TB, I think it was a filet of fish commercial for McDonald's, was it? Yeah, and they had the bass and it was singing and they were like, Haha, we killed fish. What was the forty that think? So, actually, they're like, yeah, we gotta, we killed the ball, but you're not dead, so you could eat them. Don't worry, our fish are just pie engineered in the sphere. So they put for four men for Wom yeah, and they were like, we're not going to talk to you for two years. Yeah, they were like to see if you make it out alive, matter what happens. Yeah, well, that's what they said. So here's what happened. So, so the idea was if we send someone to Mars, where they cameras whole time? Yeah, they had a team that was keeping track of them. So these people were just on big brother in real life. Yeah, shut up. Yeah, I understand. And it they lived in you're telling me they had what did you call him? A pair Timan's what it? What are the people apper to men? What are the paper Hands Apper? Two men's Apperts, men's what did the people have? Their apartments? MMM, MMM. So, yeah, so they put them in there. There was two months in they all like we're like, we're done. They it was seven volunteers and one person, one person who didn't want to do it, seven volunteers and one involunteer, people who were like let's do it, and one person that they had their drag by their ankles into the sphere. I don't want to go to the pilespere just to cause some drama. They had so many people wanting to do it too. It's not like they got seven and they're like we gotta find somebody else. It's like they narrated down is seven and then they were like all right, now we gotta go grab the former Fars, like my dirt. This is where all my dirt with. Yeah, so now it was seven volunteers, just random people out the street, and then the other state. They asked some about first right, yeah, the way people off the street. The eighth was a doctor and researcher. So he was kind of there in case something goes wrong, he can solve the problems, unless he's the one that goes wrong to yeah, well, things things started out decent. They were like, okay, well, we're gonna have to start planting some crops, doing some agwork, because having all the food was going to come from what they did in the sphere. Oh, and so they had to plant crops, they had to grow their own food or hunt, because I would how many animals in there. There's three thousand species of plants and animals. And you could go to you neither the biomes. Yeah, they could go to any of the biomes. Swing over the desert gets a little too hot there, go to the beach, whatever you want to do. Take a dip in the ocean. This was just there. Yeah, this was a replicated earth. Essentially, they made the garden of Eden Kinda. Yeah, actually, they were like go forth, yeah, and just like name all the animals. And they're like put these animals already named, like give them new ones. Okay, try again, Jeff. I'm sorry, you just named that dear after yourself. I don't know what a dear is. I know what a Jeff Is. Jeff it. We had to change it a couple days in because we realize that jeff hunting was pretty confusing. Here's the thing. How fast they resort to cannibalism. They never resorted to Campbell annibalism. Okay, I will. They probably got pretty close. But so here's the thing. was there any way for them to communicate? Like if things did go horribly running, they can bang on the windows. So here's the thing. The whole things this giant glass facility, and this got a lot of publicity. So so people were just outside. No joke, yeah, it. This was no way. This was like, what's that movie with Jim Carrey? The Truman show? Yeah, this is like the Truman show. There was all these people in the glass, like watching through the windows, watching what was going on their whole life, and film crews coming in, filming through the glass, and everybody was watching this on TV. I don't know if everybody was, I was, but a lot of people were watching this on TV super invested in what was going on in the biosphere to see if this was going to be like a successful mission. Well, is this still biosphere too we're talking about right now? Yes, yes, this is biosphere too. Are you going to tell me what happened with the Bous? For the last fear one? It's a dumb it's a done thing. They they're like Earth spotsphere one and they're like this is bust fear to Oh really, that was it. That was it. It was just kind of dumb. Why did you let that? Why didn't you say that earlier? We edit this and put that part in earlier just out of context, cuts it not even don't even say don't ere next ride. Don't want to try that earlier. Yeah, I don't even try to make it make sense. Just all right, and then fifteen minutes later I'll get to this point. That okay, now, I see. How hard was that to say, though? You could have said that earlier. That I don't know. I don't know. I thought I'd because I'm not thought was gonna set it up and then I didn't anyways. So this experiment didn't go super well. A few days into the whole the whole thing, one of the volunteers, I believe it was Jane Pointner. I believe she was working in the farm cultivating some stuff or something like that. She stuck her hand and some heavy machinery and ripped off one of her fingers, Oh, which the doctor in the facility couldnot fix on his own, so they had to send her out to old days a little to go to surgery. Yeah, and so she left the facility to do surgery and eventually came back. When she came back, she brought Aduffel bag. Her name was what, Jane Pointer. Didn't I didn't say anything. That's her name. Was Game back at Jeff was like, Hey, I think we need a change. We gonna Change Your name, all right, man. So she comes back with a Duffel bag full of like supplies, and she did that. Everybody was like, Hey, that wasn't that's against the rules. Like I thought they were supposed to be like selfsufficient, and all the people outside were like that. Yeah, everybody outside was like you're not supposed to be able to do that. I don't know. She lost a figure, maybe like like layoff for a little bit. Yeah, she had to change your name because of this. Give her some time, man. Well, let her have a pizza color, you know. So, so that was kind of knock number one for this experiment, right. Yeah, well, some of the problems started to surface, the biggest one being when they built this structure, so much of it was built with concrete. There's concrete walls, there's concrete in the struts holding up the all the glass and they didn't give the concrete enough time to cure. So when they close the environment in the concrete started absorbing some of the I can't remember what Malka is, hydrogen molecules, I think basically breaking down the oxygen and splitting up the oxygen. So there was less oxygen and the environment. Oh, so they started running out of oxygen really quickly and so instead of it's very ironic that you're out of breath right now. I'm think it's about it described it's it's making me run. It's kind of like like you're getting head over here. If you've ever been out a breath, if you haven't been out of breath before, let me describe it to you coming out of breath, and so you can hear a little bit of what it feels like. How are they running at? Where the plants not producing enough? So they were, but the problem was it's something about the concrete not being feel cured. I don't know what part of the oxygen molecule it was absorbing, but it is absorbing part of that molecule the outside. Yes, yeah, so there's nothing coming in. There's no air coming in from the outside, nothing like that. It's all this is a completely self contained environment. Yeah, and so the concrete was absorbing part of that oxygen. Do you know what kind of levels they were at, like oxygen levels in there? I don't know at this point, but I know over the course of the next seven months they depleted to a fourteen percent oxygen level. And so through this whole point it got the point where Jane actually she wrote a book after this and she said it got to the point where we had such little oxygen that we had to plan out our energy usage because we were so tired after this mass of task because we cann't breathe fully. And so they were existing in this world where they basically didn't have much are they described it like if you were a climber and you were at the side altitudes. Yeah, I altitude they put that was all the time and they were trying to do all this physical labor. Yeah, to try to make food and eat and all this stuff. Yeah, and it's hard to hunt. Jeff's no oxygen. Why, in the plural is still jeff? You see that Jeff got a ten point jeff out in the desert. Yeah, I own this weekend. How many point, ten point show me on your hands. I can only show you that. So, so they started. Really, we're going to be there. I don't know if there were deer in there. I know there was cattle. I know there's cattle. I know there was tons of different species of fish, lots of insects, lots of birds. WHAT INSECTS? Why would you put it six in there? Because insects or vital to the environment. They which ones? All of them? No, wrong, but we need a little buzz. No, pick one. Wasps. Yes, they're vital. Why? They kill the stuff that's that hurts stuff. They keep the they keep the insect population down. It's like spaying and newtering your pets. Wasps are the natural spay and neuter. L Six populate. How is that way? You just came to okay, they kill what? All the other insects that that can get overrun and then eat your stuff. I love it. Pour. Well, what happened while we're talking about this? Whenever Jane Laft, somehow this local aunt was you just say this local and yeah, one of the farmers, loys, came over and she was like not, my nephew, my nephew is the involunteer in there. And I'd like to get him out. When jade left, it was some local species of aunt. One of them got in, or a couple of them got in and invaded and killed out a bunch of the other insects and it messed up the whole ecosystem because this was like a domineering Predator type ant that was local to test can Arizona. Okay, okay, but not to the biosphere. anyways, that was a side Bar I was going to bring up. anyways, it's interesting. Well, only they had more wasps to kill them. Yeah, because it's all the problem. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at till in podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sort to perks like ad free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers, so we'd love for you to check that out. All you got to do is text till into six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. That's till into six, six, eight hundred sixty six, but thanks again for checking us out. So they spent all these this time like trying to figure out how to regulate their energy so they didn't use too much oxygen. So they're conservating their energy. Well, the research ons and I on the outside, we're like, Hey, we need to solve this problem. So they shipped in a bunch of oxygen containers and started pumping it into the environment. The world outside found out about this and they were again frustrated. They said it was supposed to be a self contained environment and you're popping oxygen into there. Like they need to figure this out on their own. They need to plan some more. We want to watch them die. They need some Arbor, they need to plan an armor to fat it out. We were like, HMM, they're still alive. He's gotta be outside interference. They gotta be doing something different in here. So they're pumping oxygen in there. So it kind of got the point where the public was like, you're not doing what you said you were doing and they lost interest. Yeah, which started losing money. Yeah, and eventually the crew on September twenty six, one thousand nine hundred and ninety three. So actually, two years later came out. But when they came out they were all very severely malnourished. They're in pretty bad physical shape. But they did survive the full two years. But there was they didn't reach the same a critical a claim that they expected because it wasn't self sustained. They came out they were they were expecting to open the door and be like crowds of people, you know, high fives all around, like we get it, and they came out to like Ed base who is like you guys did it. Proud of you. I just imagine the dug dimmod home. Now you guys. You guys survived. Yeah, honestly thought you wouldn't. I. Well, I forgot we did this. It's been two years. It's been two years. You Know Clintson office now it's he an office already. When was I? I think I think it was in ninety two. I think he was already. I think it would have been ninety. No, yeah, no, wait, ninety, yeah, ninety two. It would have been ninety two. Yeah, yeah, they were missed it. They missed it. Yeah, bummer. Think they have to vote. No, I think that was a plan all along. We've done the math, Mr Clinton, and we're going to be eight votes shot. Hmm, I have an idea. I have an idea, but let's say it's for the planet. It's all about PR call up my friend base base. Mr Base sounds like a youtube streamer who does like just you don't think you know. So it's up, guys. I'm Mr Base. He's got the highest pish voice because he's twelve, you know. Anyway, a couple interesting things happened within the biosphere. Yeah, they split into two factions because they disagreed on how to use their resources, and so it was actually, coincidentally enough, a group of two men and two women on each fashion, okay, and they were like enemies. They weren't know each other going in. Yeah, they actually Jane, she mentioned that the two women and the other faction were her best friends coming in. And now they don't speak to each other because it became so hostile in there that they literally like they all hoarded research. It are resources for their faction and they split into like these little tribes, basically, and they want to share with each other, which is very odd. Imagine that you don't have any oxygen. Write your consolars, like. And then, like, you're a group of four people, not even like a tribe. You know, you're a road trip. Yeah, you're rute trick. I was going to say you wouldn't get a table at all of guarden. You're still a booth. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're a hundred percent a booth. Yeah. And then, but you're still trying to do like intimidation things, like you're still out in the rainforests, like, you know what? I pictured them, climbing the trees in the rainforce and like throwing rocks on each other. Yeah, ambushing them like steal his war's only four of them. Yeah. Yeah. And so they came out. They're all like enemies of each other and they had very, very different responses to their experience. One was very against their time in the bottosphere. The other one thought that it was difficult but a useful experience. And so when the biosphere, our team said, hey, let's do this again, and then got a new group of volunteers and one involtan one involunteer, the faction that was against it. They came and they broke in to the Bosphere. Wait after the new people were in. As the new people were in and trying to survival sphere. Right. They're in their factions. Yep, they're in their road trip groups, and you just here, right, people are throwing rocks, whatever. And then you hear glass break and everyone goes, okay, wait, all right, this has gone too far. You know, let's and then all eight people are like, we didn't do that, we didn't do that, and then you look up the side of the pyramided you see these three people crawling through the broken class. Imagine the biosphere is haunted. How you know con spirits make it through the concrete mix? I don't know, it depends. I think it is. But this was a big or deal. There was some invasive Tucson goes this was a big deal because now they had to pass that window. Yeah, and there was some oxygen bleed and so the oxygen was missing with the desert oxygen and it was a huge problem for their biosphere environment. And also there was a huge pressure issue. We haven't covered this yet, but those domes outside of the outside the facility. You see there's one in this picture. There was. There's a second one on the other side. Yeah, those are you're not going to believe this. The facilities, lungs and so on the inside there's a giant diaphragm. You can kind of see this big rubber dive from, connected to this massive steel plate with some struts on it to make sure it never deflates below that steel plate. And that rubber at the top is one hundred percent held up by air pressure. It's fortyzero pounds and it's literally the way they designed it. Is the air pressure from within the facility moves out to those lungs and inflates and deflates the lungs to make sure the pressure doesn't go too high. And the reason for this hold on so is the roof of this going up and down the whole time now, so the dome goes all the way up. So this this possible for this to inflate to the point to where it's a full dome or it just deflates back down, because that way deflates is pushing air into back into the into the facility. And the reason for this is because they're in Tusk in Arizona and it's a desert and so during the day it's very, very hot and even in the evenings it gets very, very cold, and that change in air pressure. If they didn't do something to regulate it within the facility, it would literally explode. All the glass windows would blow up tight and there. We don't want that, and so they had to figure out a way to regulate one that. They had to figure out a way to regulate the air pressures. So they built gigantic lungs for those who the whole facility. This was presented as a joke, though. Somebody in the meeting was just like, what if we just were the building a long? What if they gave it lungs and had add bass base whatever was over there, holding an actual base, just beatom, doomed to get to doomed, doom to duod doom to Dudoom, doom to get d those big in the s. What did you just say? What if the building had lungs? Dude, Du Dudu. I think that's it, Sadi Kid. What if the building have you dod lungs? Lungs. Well, when you're this rich, what else you want to spend my money on but building lungs? Let's build some lungs. So you're there are like four children at the hospital down the street that need lungs. Would you will to donate that money to get their new lungs. Just talkum up to you. Who else need lungs? Is My biosphere. So let's use that money to build some building lungs, though that sense sounds like building is a cuss word. Build some building logs. This is bonkers to look at. Yeah, it's insane and what's wild is it's it's really fortyzero pounds, the that big metal diaphragm and the rubber holding it. But I've seen videos people will grab those poles and you can literally pull it down because it's just it's very malleable. Yeah, so, anyways, it's insane. And this this is while we're talking about this too. There's a gigantic they call it the undersphere underneath this entire facility. Is this water or is that a pit thing? It's blood. Okay, I think it might be water. I don't know, but underneath the whole facility is this massive underbelly, kind of like Disneyland or Disney World of the I think it's called the text fear, actually the text fear, and that's where all the magic happens. They aren't a bunch of pipes and all h facts and all this stuff. Yeah, I would assume that this there's a lot going on, but assume side was an open tunnel. It's like, well, let's hope that air gets back that way now. Yeah, yes, they got a big, huge system keeping all this alive underground. But anyways, back to the back to the experiment. So, yeah, they the people broke in and they had to patch that quickly, yeah, to be able to save the experiment. While after that thing started going down. He'll fast. There's a lot of decisions made by the research team that hurt their publicity. And one day two Limos, escorted by armed guards, pulled into the facility and change all the locks and kicked everybody on the research team out. Left the people inside, though, that were part of the experiment, and they told the researchers you're not a part of this anymore, and then they left. And then the next day a whole new research staff showed up. who were in the Limos? I'm I don't know, the president, probably at Bass, I don't know. I honestly am not sure, but probably probably a combination of a bass. I thought the limos were pulling up and taking the a people out. Now they stayed that a people. They eight people watched from their glass. They saw these livers pull up. There's two limos point on the entire the diaries got binoculars. They probably built the built them. They had all the resources they need. Well, just, no, just just do your hands. Use Your hands at all, though. The research team is being carted out in shackles, in shackles, and they see the Limoe or open up and it's a pirate with a pig leg and he's got what did you just say? Why did you go this one? These pirates drove with them, but the Calson the toilets at arc. Where this come from? What is it? So a pirate and they just loaded the two hundred research stuff into the limos. I'm trying to yes and you right now, but I don't know where we're going to go if I do this. Are you saying they made the resource for the walk, the figurative plank? Yeah, yeah, they all. They're all gone. So research people leave. Yeah, the next day. So those eight people are just in the building alone at night. Yeah, just watching and be like what the heck is happening? A whole new team shows up and they do their thing for a couple months and then eventually at Bass is, like project is canceled. Shut it down. Yeah, and so they kick them out of the biosphere and he don't held the participants. He lists it for sale. They sell it to a company that was going to put up a bunch of hotels on the land. They were going to like level it and build some hotels there. Could keep the lungs? Yeah, keep the lungs. Oh yeah, this is really going to keep our hotel going. No, but what ended up happening is they didn't have the funding to build the hotels yet, so they leased it to the University of Arizona to do research there and it went really well. Eventually the universe of Arizona bought it and now it is a research facility for the college and what they use it for now is they they're studying earth science. But it's useful because there is no other place in the world where you can have a closed environment to manipulate things that happen in the VI and see the effects. Okay, so they're causing droughts and watching what happens to jobs and trying to fix the problem in stiosphere and they're doing interesting experiments. I could rather're doing that they or instead of out in the real world like they used to. What would happen if, I don't know, it was a fire? You know, that's what the old rich is doing, though. All right, the old rich is like. What if it is burned the West? What if we just, I don't know, destroyed it at all? Yeah, can we send our can we send a hurricane? Here's what's here's what's crazy. You mentioned this and I'm a little frustrated that you did. Oh sorry, but I mentioned that this this was a huge deal and people were watching it, people worthcoming and big brother observing it. This is the birthplace of reality TV. It did not reality TV did not exist before this, and TV companies noticed the ratings of everybody wanting to watch these people live in this sphere and in Europe. A year later, big brother came out as the first reality TV show, and so big brothers literally based on this. If people watching these people try to survive and the biosphere nice. So wow, I nailed that. Yeah, I hate how how on? So this one was just big brother Safari. Addition, big brother survivor edition, I guess. Yeah, it's both ROM combined. Yeah, it's it put them together, but it's pretty wild, like the stuff that they've built in here. It's just a massive facility. They proved that it would be very, very tough to do this on Mars. Yeah, because they every experiment they did, they needed a lot of outside help. Yeah. So, but also some of the main problems were caused by outside contaminants. That is also true. Does also true, which would still exist on Mars? If you open the door once you're dead, basically. Well, yeah, because if the Martian ants show up, that's an invasispecs. Yeah, you see him come with other huge the gigantic. So anyways, spaceship Earth is a documentary that came out about it's on Hulu. You can watch more for more information. Doing talk into your microphone right now? No, because I don't want people. Don't want people to go look it up about it. If you were to look that up later. I want to reference it, but I don't want people to. Good video. You know how these things work, right. I'm what I want. I want to reference it, but I don't want people to do it anyways. So, and it's now open to the public. Ish You can go do tours sometimes and see it. If you live in Tuscan, Arizona. It's a massive facility. I think you've fully embraced Tuscan. I think you have fully calling. I know you. You know you were like this really stupid, and now you're doing it without hesitation. I think it's just party your vernacular now it's pretty wild. We know we would be good at like this reality TV thing, like living in the biosphere. Yeah, I don't know about that. We should do it. I'm not breathe with a hundred percent oxygen. That's true. Gives us. That's true. It's so we can figure it out. Just late at night. You just hear me going. And what's wild is if we gets real still in the desert, you hear the little because they got rattlesnakes in there for some reason. It is a bad choice and little things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by connerbet social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg, our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast, leave a review comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night


In 1991, eight people walked in a large glass dome in the Arizona desert. Camera crews captured the group as they disappeared into the void. The structure was built by billionaire Ed Bass who hoped to use the facility for research into what it would take to build a colony on an alien world. The philanthropist enlisted a crew of … Read More

1561 Sky Battle – The Best of History’s UFO Sightings

05-17-22

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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the sixty one sky battle? Is this? Is this one fifteen sixty one? Yeah, is that the year? Yes, so this is an alien thing. I mean could be all right, rolled up. I think everyone just stared at the sun too. We were at waffle house. Dude, you were struggling that day. Where you like? This is really taken a toll on to see. This is written back in and flut flat. His name is what? No, I know someone named hands. No, you don't. His name is Hod. We know the same Hans things. I learned last night. What is on the five hund sixty one sky battle? Sky Battle, or or what are we have like pirate and know what? There's also the one thousand, five hundred and sixty one celestial for phenomenon over Nuremberg. There's another name. Oh yes, sky battles way more catchy. Yeah, I agree, it sounds way cooler. It's like if the show was either going to be called battle bots or robots built by nerds that fight each other in the cool little right to the death in a cage. No, it's not even the rope. And they were like this is a little misleading, because this we can't tell if the show is called robots built by nerds that fight each other to death. It sounds like the nerds fight each other to the death, not the rope of the robots, not the rods. Yeah, like it's just misleading. MMM MM. So this is a similar thousand five hundred sixty one. Pirates had to have recorded this, or vikings or something. No, humans, pirates are people to, just like act proven pirates are people to. Okay, well, all right, so Nuremberg, one thousand five hundred and sixty one, okay, average day in the then free yeah, in the then free sires, average day in the then. It's what I thought you were just about to say to me. Nurro Park, one thousand five hundred and sixty one, an average day in the then. Looks that I I saying that time in the then. What, yeah, is in the then free imperial city. Okay, the Holy Roman Empire. Durnberg, sure was a free city. At the time. There was a mass sighting of unexplained aerial phenomena, which is the modern, like welcome term for it, but the proper term is ufos. Use painted that as a woke thing. What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, well, culture got a little little. Do you stop Tom You AP column by Whoa Phenomena? Huh? But the the truth. People know. So in April one thousand five hundred and sixty one, there's this broadsheet that was printed by a guy named hands class. Or okay, why did you? Why are you lasts for Funny Hands Glass? Or all right, it's Hans first of all. But all right, no, I know someone named hands. No, you don't. His name is Hans. We know the same Hans. We'll get my call find out you really answering like Ah, this is hands, hi, hands. Well, he's a lawyer now, so he'd go go for hands, go for an. That's Alaw your sis to look over hands. Where are you saying? You go for a hand. It's just too confusing. Have you? I saw this like selfdefense video the other day. How is this gonna make sense? And the GUY said, if you're getting mugged, he said you need to defer their attention away. So what you want to do is you want to say something. Oh, just off the wall. That doesn't make any sense. So be like. I saw a pig the other day and it's going to confuse him and be like what? And when they say what, you punch up the throat. Does the Selfdefense. Yeah, yeah, so that's that's go for hands. It's disarming and then you can confuse them. Go for hair stuff. Oh, I was calling to ask about your law practice. I was called to find out about some laws, some law. Hey, do you guys so law? Do you guys do law? Yeah, so, hands, glass her. He printed a broad chee. He was a local wood cutter and illustrator and he printed a broad sheet recounting the events that everybody in the town supposedly witnessed. Yeah, which the broadsheet, the way, was set up as he had it was a piece of wood that he had painted the picture of what happened on and then he had put his interpretation below a picture of it. Yes, here is a picture of the broadsheet of what happened in the sky over Nurremberg that day. So basically, the spun, the Sun was playing chest at the moon and flipped at the table over raw and see that is went flying everywhere. Some tittley wings involved. So to explain this picture you, I hope he had an artistic approach to this. He said, we literally what was in the sky exactly what they saw. That'd be terrifying. So here's what let me explain this far the audio listeners that you got. This the the town of Nurremberg, the sleepy town of Nurremberg. Picture a town in one thousand five hundred and sixty one. That's what it looks like. One of the churches. Picture what town looked like in the then one of the churches on the far end of town is on fire and there's smoke emanating from it on a bunch of little orbs around the outside of that church. And then in the sky there is the sun, very large, with an angry expression on its face, as you know the sun does. Sometimes it looks like the sun from if you're played Super Mario Brothers three. Yeah, there's a sun level, it's got a face, yes, that it's that. Behind the sun there's these two like crescent moon type things. It's almost like the sun has like a backpack with wings on it that it's wearing that day. And then there's a bunch of orbs all over the place, lots of different colors, a bunch of crosses. Some of the ORBS are connected with crosses. What language is is this language? Is this, I don't know, Latin? Maybe that's an assumption. I have no idea. And then there is a bunch of like, honestly, they look like chess pieces. They look like broken ponds all over the place, and then cannons that like shoot the little orbs out of them. Yeah, this is not can't we're at all. Yeah. Well, and then there's a giant black spear type thing at the bottom that looks like if you could picture the ships from Star Wars. That's what it looks like, a gigantic spear shaped. It's worth the Google. where they got to Google to find this thing? The one thousand five hundred and sixty one sky battle or the one five and sixty one celestial phenomena over Nuremberg? Either want to get you there. So whatever happened over the guys? That supposed to that as opposed to the one thousand five hundred and eighty four sky that looks it whatever it is, over Nuremberg. Yeah, and there was another year. Another wasn't and so the interpretation that hands Glasser gave to this was that the Lord was very angry with the people. Yeah, here's, here's here's the translation of for less whole setting down here. Yeah, I'm going to read that and put up a translated in real time. Ready. Yeah, this is, I believe, Latin. I'm not sure, but I know how to read it. Go ahead. So it says in the morning of April Fourteen fifteen sixty one, at daybreak, between four and five am, a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun. And then this was seen in Nuremberg, in the city before the gates, and in the country by many men and women. People talk to weird back then. Just, you know, forget about it. At first there appeared to in the middle of the sun, to blood red semi circle ARCS. So those are the little, yeah, pack thing. I think everyone just stared at the sun too long. Who it's like, so hey look, and everyone went, oh, look at all that stuff. We see. Oh, you see all those dots. I can't get him to go away. If I look at the church, throughout the church. Now, could you guys see that wind in the city? Certainly this is God's judgment. And in the sun above. I'm reading again, I don't know if you could tell. And The Sun above and below and on both sides. The color was blood, not red. It was blood. There stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black. First color on what that means. Likewise, there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun, such blood red ones and other balls in large number, basically saying there was a bunch of stuff flying around, and rods and balls and crosses and strips, and they said these all started to fight among themselves, so that the Globes, which were the first in the sun, flew out to the one standing on both sides. Thereafter the globe standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods flew into the sun. Besides the Globes. They flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And then it says and when the conflict I'm fast forwarding lung story short. Eventually it got to put that in there. Put A tl be all in there. I just the really hero. It was tough to understand. And then he got to a point where he says the the orbs and the rods got so tired from fighting each other for so long that many of them blew up in a bright shining light and then fell to the earth with smoke. So it's what caused the that's what causes smoke over there, smoke over there, is those those different orbs falling and burning. And so he said that he's that God was very angry with the people and if they didn't fix their lives and behave better, that he was going to bring his rast comes out on them. Yes, yeah, so, as many of those those people. Today, when we see stuff happened in this guy, we say, Oh, that's probably aliens. Back then, when, yeah, sure, back then, when you saw stuff in this guy, you say, Oh, God's probably mad at us. Oh, man, so God knows I was a jerk yesterday. God saw me be a jerk yesterday's so he made a bunch of stuff fly from the sun and blow up. God knows I stole three hundred and fifty million dollars from every bank in the Metro area and for that reason he is out. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or if you're watching on Youtube leave a commet. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets who were separated at birth, unbeknowns to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So there's a lot of really fun stuff we talked about in that episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one. This is a peculiar event because here we have this guy witnessed it, recorded it and drew a picture about it, just like the police do with things happen and and a lot of other people in the town reportedly saw this and corroborated his story. They were like, Yep, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, they were like signed off. I agree. I don't know. I don't know how this got corroberated, but apparently a bunch of people say, yeah, this is legit. Okay, I don't know. So there's a lot of theories to how this happened. The first and biggest and probably most realistic, is the alien it's obvious it was aliens, this right outlue, aliens fighting in the sky. Yeah, yeah, they they had a war and they said, if we do a war on our planet then we might mess it up. Let's go to the stupid humans. Where there any other accounts from any neighboring cities or anything like that, because if this is a big event like this, you would have seen it. Do we know? I don't know. I don't know how close this was to other towns. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about any other towns that when I'm saying there is another something interesting that we'll talk okay, but as far as I know, no other nearby town saw this event. I'm saying, like the solar eclipse, right, it's not just like in North Kansas City. Yeah, that was everywhere. Yeah, but think about how towns weren't really that far away back then. Yeah, I'm true, like if we, if we live the same distance away that we live right now, I would never know you existed. Yeah, that's true. Actually, that's pretty crazy, you know, and it's less than thirty miles. To be fair, though, like I don't know how far, and he depends how high up this happened because like it the horizon line. That's true. You and I might not be able to witness the same thing in the sky. You know, you're the same moon at night, though. No, this is there's a different moon for every town the US. The NASSA they put. They put a new moon for everything. NASA. UNT even call it NASA. You called the AASA the NASA. That's a that's a red flag right there. I someone won't say it. Also, are there other ones? That what's another agency that we say it the NASA. Say NASA, the Fabi? We don't say yeah, we don't kind the we don't say the other ones. It's got to be a reason. I don't know. I gotta be a reason. The Er's what are you are hiding at any essay? What if you stood outside of NASA's building and you're like tell me about the fifteen, sixteen, one, five hundred and sixty one lead. Yeah, are fight sky battle, Sky Battle. They would be like probably a natural. So are there sky battle truthers out there who were going to find our show? Maybe we'll see. We'll find out when, when the comments have come in. So okay. So what are the theories then? So the Aliens Right, aliens said, let's go have a war on earth real quick and last like an hour. And I mean if you look at it from that Lens, you can see it like if you were if you didn't know a Y, if you look different the Lids, you couldn't imagine that right, if you were to imagine that that's what happened, you could have better close, pretty close. But if you look at the picture, look at the picture. Hold on, look at the picture. That looks like that, especially that Black Arrow. If you're listening, I'm sorry, but like go look this up. That Black Arrow looks like if you were alive in the fifteen hundreds and you haven't seen star wars yet, like it, but you saw an imperial destroyer. This is probably what you draw and you'd be like, yeah, there was an Arrow in the sky because you didn't know what an imperial destroyer was yet. Okay. And and he said that they were fighting him and they got tired. They blew up with a great light and then they fell to the ground with a lot of smoke, which sounds like spaceships blowing up. So I don't know. Okay, if you want to look at it, that way. It's believable. That's what I choose to believe. Okay, the other theories, there's there's a couple other theories. One of them it was that it was a meteor shower early morning, probably pretty light our with a bunch of you know, just space rocks falling in hitting stuff. And if you've ever seen meteor shower, if you were to look atter, that that's what happened. Imagine a meteor shower. If you would imagine, you can imaginally close. Yeah, yeah, that one does kind of check out. Also, like it if it wasn't mean your shower. Maybe the problem is we're able to go back and like find record of a lot of like like Oh hey, we found meteorites in that area or whatever. None of that's there. So, like, if it wasn't me your shower, there's no record of anything ever being recovered. Okay, and there's nothing that we can look back through looking at the stars and stuff. How well were be stars keeping rightless? I mean, if this guy's keeping a record for this, I mean I would just I don't know, I don't know this this was a pretty life changing event for this guy, it seems. Yeah, because if you don't know. I mean even if it was just an eclipse and you had never seen that before. So I'm saying, yeah, shake your brain, whoa. Yeah, yeah, and so I knew it was going to happen in this solar close was a pretty crazy event. Yeah, it's hard to see that. Yeah, what it got dark. It's hard to see that. It's hard to be like, Whoa, it is hard to live through this. We were at Waffle House, Dude, you were struggling that day where you like, this is really taken a toll on my middle health to see. I still saw that and I said, you know what, I think this is God trying to tell us that there is a disease coming and we all need to be careful or turn from our ways. You know, made the joke. That's fine, better than one I was going to make. Make It. No, okay, so, could have been aliens, could have been a medeor shower. Okay. Another idea is that it was a comment and they just saw the comment flying to the sky. The problem is described an hour long experience. Yeah, and they described a lot of other things, like not just one object with the tail, and they described like things fallen down with smoke and explosions. It could have been a comment and he could have just really embellished it, because at the end of the day, like, this is just one guy's painting. Yeah, and something he wrote down, like he could have just embellished what he saw. There was a lot of stuff. It was so much you're not going to leave. And I was here enuff. Yeah, yeah, I said one of them. I to the ORB and I said orb fly again. It did. He's like, my name is hands was like, my name is orb. The nerbs like, I think you mean hots in the guy, and then the hands was like is this is a life change? That has sound better. Okay, so there's that idea. So there's that stupid idea. There's what? Another idea is that this guy literally just made it up, like I know what saging at this point. Yeah, literally just made it all up. Nothing music. Yeah, and several other people will corwate my story. Yeah, yeah, several other people said they saw that happen. So who the other people in the town? Here's here's a thing. Yes, he could have just made this up. At the end of the day, all we have is a painting and some stuff he wrote on a piece of wood. Could he have made that up? Absolutely, people draw stuff that's not real all the time. Yeah, but no, but here's what we will say. But we have a lot of us other broadsheets that he puts. Oh, and they do child tell events that we do know our historically accurate. Okay. And so is it possible that one time he just made something up? Sure, but it does kind of likely. Probably not. Yeah, especially in this format. Most likely he is recounting a triteil. Could he have him bellish it? Maybe. Could he have drawn this a little different than it actually looked? Most likely. He clearly put this the logical spin on his interpretation of it. So maybe his art had that same span as well. Sure, I mean the sun has a face in the picture, so most likely, most like her. No, worn't just look. Okay, let's go look. Yeah, let's look. Let's go see the sun has a look at the sun's they ever seen? Yeah, anybody ever see the face? Ask the end say, ask the ANASA. This is sun of a face. Another theory, which seems to be the most widely accepted, why they accepted, is that this was an issue of Sun Dogs, which a lot of people don't know what this is, but rare occasion. You were like why they accepted is sun dogs. Oh Yeah, a lot of people don't know this, but sometimes early in the morning and the guy over northern European towns, sometimes the docks for the sun just get out the roll over the sky. Yeah, Barki Harrible there. Yeah, T sun is the worst neighbor rightings. Dogs are always running around. It doesn't do anything. Try to catch them and we'll control as to calm or they just blow up. The stugs just kind of blow up. Sometimes, yeah, it's tired, explode. It's a mess. It's a mess. Not these are sun dogs. So this is a an actual effect that can happen. Oh, and it's pretty rare. But basically what happens, and this I don't know how, I don't know all the technical terms for this, but basically it's an atmospheric distortion of the image of the Sun. And so when the sun rises in the morning, if it gets that that there's like this perfect moment in the sunrise wherefore, about an hour this Sun will have these two other suns that you can see from the sky and it's a distortion in the atmosphere. There's not two sets of suns, but they're out on where is this picture? Left and right, signs northern Europe. And what what happens is it's kind of like if you're looking through like an eyeglass in a weird way at a light and you kind of sure can see that light in another spot on the eyeglasses. The same thing. The atmosphere is distorting the image of the sun and you're seeing the sun three times, one in the middle, two on both sides. They Cause Sun dogs because they say, Oh, y'all, look, those are the dogs of the Sun. Over on the side it's is those rus dogs. You know, the sun has pets, just like even the sun has died. Relate to the sun. We're not too different the sun. So here's what's crazy. Is What's crazy. The Sun has the it's two dogs, yeah, but most the time when you look there's only one sun, because that's when the sun carried the dogs. He takes a again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at till in podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is, and if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts to parks like out a free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our host and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you got to do is text till into six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. That's till in two, six, six, eight hundred sixty six, but thanks again for checking us out. Here's the thing. This is some unbelievable because if we look at if we look at the picture, there are these like weird arc things. I'm curious with the like little blue pole looking things in the side. Are you know? Yeah, you can kind of. Maybe, if you look at some of that, like there's like that coloration on the side. Maybe he's interpreting that as those bars. Well, and I'm sure, I really do think if you're looking at this, like this appears right and you're looking straight at it, like you're going to have this on the sun dots when you're looking around. Yeah, yeah, that effect where you stare at the sun, you start seeing bash. But it's true, like I'm sure the people saw this and they were staring at it and they're like, what the heck is that? And then they yeah, they started seeing all that stuff from okay son. So this is the wildly ecs e their one. This is the why they accepted theory. Skeptics disagree, but I think, I think this is probably most likely what they saw. And who knows, maybe they this happened and then there was a meteor shower at the same time and a comet and India and the war. I mean one of the odds. I mean the odds are slip, but they're not zero. That's true. There's slip, but not zero. So I think this is the most likely possibility. Here's the deal, though. This isn't the only time that's happened. We have another broadsheet from one thousand five hundred and sixty six and the town of Basil with a very similar picture. This is in which year, one thousand five hundred and sixty six, five years later, I few later, years later, and another year very in town similar. Yeah, and so this picture to paint the picture of picture a town in one thousand five hundred and sixty six, five years further along then, yeah, were whatever things looked like. So the Ford Taurus is a little bit nicer than it was back then, but a town square, there's multiple people out. Yeah, they're all pointing up at it, freaking out. And then the sun is back there, still has a face, still faced, same face. Yeah, he's Sun faced, totally sun face, and there are white orbs, look like, you know, little snowballs or something around it, but then also just black ones, and the whole sky is full of it. Either a white or a black dot. Yep, Yep. And in this one it's a similar story. They interpreted again as God was mad at them and there was a judgment coming. Here is here's the text of this event during the Orr one thousand five hundred and sixty six, on the twenty seventh of July, after the sun had shone warm on the clear, bright skies at around nine pm, so in the evening this time, it's suddenly took a different shape and color. First the sun lost all its radiance and luster and it was no bigger than the full moon, and it finally seemed to weep tears of blood and the air behind it went dark. And then he was they thought the sun was a boy at the time, and then he was seen by all the people of the city in the countryside in much the same way also as the moon, which had already been almost full and had shown through the night, assuming an almost blood red color in the sky the next day. So now this is a multiday event. The next day the Sun rose at about six o'clock and slept with some with the same appearance it had as it was lying before. He let the houses, the streets around as if everything was blood red and fiery. And then at dawn of August the seventh, so many days later. Yeah, we saw a large black spheres coming and going with great speed and precipitation before the Sun and chattered as if they left, as as if they led a fight. So they were loud, many of them were fiery red and soon crumbled and then extinguished. So this one does actually seem like this is a combination of everything. The first one sounds like an eclipse, the first thing to happen. Sure it was probably an eclipse, and then the next one sounds like a blood moon, and then and then it does sound like a meteor shower. Yeah, because this was a multiday affair. Yeah, so I think what's going on here is they piece it all together and say this was like the judgment of the God that came in three different visions. MMM, and God is mad at us again because that guy over. Now. How far away did this take place from? This took place in the town of Bassel. The other one took place in Nuremberg. So if you just Nurmberg, yeah, how else would you spot Nuremberg? Yeah, and you Arembe Nuremberg, U said nerm yeah, new, new room. Now Wimberg, Nuremberg, new, new. It's four and a half hour drive. Four hundred and forty one. Okay, so it's a lotzers good distance. How many kilometer miles? That like the face you made, the American face of kilometers, where you're like idiots. We're the only ones that don't use it. So it's a good distance away, though. I'm yeah, like it's not like two hundred and seventy four miles. Yeah, this was written by game named Flood Blat. What his name is? What? Just A flug blood? Well, maybe flu block, I think. Well that I'm gonna Google that. I think the town is called saved. His name is. Why are you the one in charge of this? We either research assisted just so tim knows how to pronounce things. So floog Blat is now in German, both the spelling of the word and the article presuing the right to the Bab Bah. Yeah, okay, here we go. Oh, that's German. I can't read that. What are we doing here? Thing got flog black means it's not the name because it was written. Oh, a flog Blat is a leaflet or a little book or a piece of paper. Okay, so that this is the next time someone gives you a flyer say all hate thanks for this flug black. Well, I'm saying that this is a flog but it's not written by Bog Blat. This is a flug bat of Basil. This is what the caption says. It's a flag Blat of Basil by Samuel a Pireus and Samuel Cosi us. So yeah, so next time, next time someone gives you a flyer called a Flogblat, that's thank you for this flood Plat. Yeah, you guys have a Flogblat or something. You know what one of the most effective voice of Ministry is. I hand out these little flood blots right and it says heaven or hell and it says one thousand five hundred and sixty one in the skies of our Norremberg. There I was God judge in a Bucky's bathroom and the top of your am was a flood black change my life. Froen, who wrote this? Oh, hands evile, Hannes he so, yeah, turns out its Hans, who knew? Who Knew? Who Canoe? You know. So this this scenario is a little bit easier for me to stomach. It's a little easier for me to say all those events happened within like three days of each other. Well, no, because it started the first one was July twenty seven. Yeah, that's and then to last was August seven. So, yeah, it's all this is a long period of different celestial events. Yeah, they were. The other one is just can saying that it all happened one night. Yeah, here's what I think happened. You know, I'm going to tell you what I think. Please tell me Your theory. I think what happened is Hans saw something he couldn't explain and he tried to explain it and he embellish upon it pretty hard. Or we talked to other people and everyone had different things. So the story just kind of develop like it's like telephone, Yep, or for them, Flood Blat, the plague, flood black. It's just so funny to be so that's because you're saying it wrong, probably. You know, it's really nice. What's that? Months ago, super cold in here and we turn the air off, and now it's feels like when we first started this podcast in here, like I feel like I need to take my shoes off. I'm not wanting to belt, but I feel like I should wear it's a little warm. Now, let me kick my shoes off. Oh, we're almost done. I'm kicking my shoes off here. The what more do you have to say? He's the the I used to only do this shoeless. Yeah, and then I started wearing shoes for some reason. I should go back. I should go back to being barefoot on the PODCAST. Okay, is there anything more about the topic? Yeah, so, yeah, so here's the thing. So I think, like I said, I think he probably embellished. Why do you work? Closes time. Mused to be fully nude. Just we're you're a blockbuster and I had, I literally had a story with my eyes closed the whole time. Oh you're gonna do that again? Oh, cool, all right, yeah, I don't see me. It's audio. Yeah, they do. is every professional radio station. Every professional radio station is just naked. All right, it really has. Every country steps with the nerve. They love. If your love, if you're afraid, take a close off. Kay, love hosts. Hey, thanks for listening, a kid. Hey, it's over the pledge drive. Oh my gosh. Okay, more of the story. Probably Aliens. Oh sure, sure, that's your most likely aliens. Your Real theory? Is that my real theors? Guy went around. I think it was part of the sun dogs. I think that makes sense. It is. Then you probably stared at it and saw some stuff in his eyes and then everybody and then he embellished it a little bit. But could be. But but if you look at this and you don't see this and say that's probably an imperial star destroyer, then you're wrong. It is. It is. That's that, to me, is the one part that's like kind of phenomenal about this. Is like that looks like. That looks like what we say what that looks like to be starships. Look like that looks like a blind spot to me, like you've now you've damaged your eye in the shape, in the shape of an imperial star destroyer. Sure, no, you've never seen you've never seen star war. So she saw this in the sky. Yeah, you probably would think, oh, it's like an Arrow or something. Yea's what you that's your brain with. Associate with it, because your brain isn't bro You hungry. What is happening to you? What it is? At the end, you're like mentally breaking down to the point where you're like as a real start, are you? You're seen star wars, like you're starting to like you look belligerent. You're sober beligerent right now. Maybe it's because I took off my shoes and yours over here, like we're you were seen star wars worth. Well, what if you're dumb rain saw this in the sky? What would you think it was? You Bet that's what you treat me like. Chill, I'm just better that you haven't seen Star Wars. That's fine. I'm surprised. I'm I think it's weird. They both at the both suns have a face in the tiddly wings up there. Yeah, so I don't know. It's a weird thing. I mean, the other one had sound. This one doesn't seem to have sound. He never mentions hearing anything. Oh, that's interesting. That's right. The one did mention that they were allowed. Yeah, which this is weird. If it was a sky battle with aliens and there was explosions and crashes, you would hear it. You'd probably hear it. Yeah, you don't hear a meteor shower. Yeah, meteors are quiet typically. Yeah. Yeah, they turn the volume down before they go. Okay, thing I was you like to talk about? Not? We probably should go at things are getting weird. Yeah, well, I mean, but if you maybe it's because he was talking the whole time. This guy was like I looks like maybe an imperial thing, or it was like shut up, we're trying to listen to this battle. What have you. Listen real close to fit the wall. It is things are then. 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A man. What's going on? Have you ever heard of John Rufo? John Rufo? Yeah, nope, I don't have anything. I think we need to get it out of the way right at the beginning, because every time I've heard his name since I've found him, I think of John Ralphao Deka. Different Guy. Not, not saying we're not doing that guy. Yeah, he is still the worst, but he's yeah, I know he's. Don't don't get too far in yourself. He sucks, for sure. Different Guy, also, different person. He's not Johnny Rufo. Same Name. John wouldn't, but you had the n why the NY? Johnny Ruffo? WHO's Johnny Roof? It's not him. He was a finalist on the third season of the x factor Australia. Is that who we're doing the episode about her? Is that Johnny Rufo? That's Johnny. Okay, so johnny not. This is different guy. I we're pretty sure at least. I mean could be. Jury's out. It's possible they got the same name. It's just an extra two letters at the end. Johnny's in the third season x factor, of the Australian X factor. Oh he was a fine I didn't realize that. Every country had their own. You know that? They they got like Ireland's got talent. We all got our own. Yeah, I mean every country's got some talented people. Right. Well, I mean I know they have talented people, but I didn't know they had their own. I didn't know they had TV's. Yeah, yeah, in other countries had things. You didn't know other countries had things. No, I was waiting for you to react that. You were just like yours, like, yeah, looking at whatever your are you looking at x factor winners over here? What are you? I got an episode, listen. Yeah, and I'm pictured picture. I had a relater your commute this morning. But are you rate to learn about every winner of x factor in the last ten years? I have a family who put their houses in the line for me and for that reason I'm out. Is that figure on your ankle where I kick my twizzlers? Guilty person, says. What? What? Don't act like. What you ate was salsa, okay, what? No, shut up, early saw shut your minds. It on the CAN. Things I learned last night. It is so Johnny Ruffo. Johnny Ruffo was on x factor. Yeah, John Ruffo, different guy. So John Rufo. He is the perpetrator of the one of, if not the largest, bank fraud in American history. He had stolen. I want you to listen back the sentence you said just when I'm imagining the moment whenever this comes out and you just say yeah, but also the word structure that you went with, where he said he's the perpetrator, or one of the of the biggest bank fraud in the United States. Like if you cut out all the odds this and still didn't make sense. So let's make it make more sense. He decided the bank. Yeah, so he. Oh, not just the bank, all the banks, just about everything. Oh, capital, be bank. I seeriou say, not the big, the big, big bank, big, big, the big be bank. That's a church joke for ex angelicals. He listen. Yeah, he had stolen from just about everything you can think of. If they were one in thanking in the mid S, then he the frauded them to the tune of a little over three hundred and fifty million dollars. What is that tune sound? That's what three you're telling me that three hundred and fifty million dollars is the family few theme song. It's family fraud. I was fast I'm really proud of you. Sorry, it's family off fraud. So he robbed every bank. How? What? Yeah, what does he just type it in coke rewards points and we'redeeving him for cash in the S. I don't know. We'll get to that. But the more interesting part of the story is the fact that when he was convicted, the whole caught. Spoiler. Yeah, he got caught. He's in court, he gets convicted guilty and the guards take him away into the back room. When they do well, guilty whatever they made court room. Yeah, yeah, as he and Steve Harvey's court. You see Steve Harvey's show? I was on there. Go family a few. That's like I was gonna say. Is it his show? Family Feud? No, it's Steve Harvey's got a court show where he goes defense. Does he really? He does have a he does have a court show. I was trying to combine family feud and his court show. I had no idea how to court and he was gonna go Defense Prosecution. Give me one player resign and then it's down to play fast guilty. It's yeah, you know, he does have a court show. It's pretty we should get on it. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, Ray, and I've been trying to get on divorce court. Well, if you don't know how the shows work, they're all made up. A yeah, but we really want to go on divorce court. Yeah, that'd be God, what a great time. Can you imagine the church people on come up to your shove and be like, I saw that boy on an episode of Divorce Court? Yeah, well, it's better than cops. You know, that sums real. They're not cast for cops. That's what you think. So he got taken away into the back room. Yeah, of court, when, whatever they do, they're like, I don't know, put you in the orange suit and cuffew and, oh, like he's been all the fought, the chargers have been, everything's happened. They tell them you're going to prison seventeen years. He goes in the back room and now is the point where all of the the judge and the jury and executioner, they all party. I don't know what. They don't know what happened. I've never been to a court like. They all pass around cheesecake that's been sitting out for a little while, celebratory as kind of saggy rat's done. All right, yeah, COO, and the defense is not celebrating. Yeah, yeah, they're all angry, they're all set. Yeah, they're all eating Bologny, almost old bull. So you're saying in the American justice system, Steve Harvey says, all rights, my fast. What's my fast? Guilty, all right, guilty person says what? What? That's good to eat? This longcus cheesecake. Defense old blowney. That's what his must day. It gives they just do they pass it out by the slice. Yeah, they've got the little little I don't know what you call it, that little plastic gid. Know that the package. We all knew. We were all there with the round Bologny package. You just gotta nothing else is package like Bologny. Hmmmmm. anyways, so they take up in the back room and then everyone knows his defense attorney. Yeah, says, excuse me, judge, we had a self surrender agreement. And the judge was like excuse me, and he turns to the prosecution and he says, is this true? Do you guys have a self surrender agreement? And they were like, Oh, yeah, we did do that, and so let me explain. So in certain cases it's relatively common for the judge to grant a self surrender to the guilty party. Basically, what that means is they get to wear an ankle monitor for the next month or so to take care of their affairs and then report to prison for their sentencing. If you have a lengthy sentence or like a crime like, I don't know, you still three hundred fifty million dollars from from every banks, then they usually don't let you do that because they say they the defense negotiated this. So the defense. So the prosecution came to the defense early in the trial and asked for some documents and the defense said that they would comply if they the negotiot it. Yes, how they gave us self surrender agreement. A self surrender is essential really in certain cases. If you have like a lighter sentence but you're going to have some prison time, they might grant you a self surrender to allow you to go handle your affairs before you're gone for a couple years. Sure, because you know probably have some stuff to take care of right. But if you have a lengthy sentence and you've done a serious crime like the robbing three hundred and fifty million dollars worth sipicly doesn't happen. Yeah, they're typically like, yeah, you probably like if we let you go, you're going to be there's a risk. Yeah, and so they don't normally don't do that. But the prosecution had to range a deal with the defense early in this trial. Yeah, to get some documents and in exchange that, it's documents they would grant. And the way in court it works, it's a lot like pokemon car yes, where it's like, I'll give you these documents and exchange for, I don't know, letting my guy off Scott free. And they're like but it's like it's like a it's like when you buy a used car on facebook, right, yeah, because you got to negotiate. Yeah, you get going hot, like Oh, I wanted to I have a jail time at all. Yeah, you know, and then see you're like, okay, well, hold on, we obviously can't just let him out. It's got free. What if? What if we did twenty four years with no possibility of a death penalty? And they're like yeah, but we kind of want the the risk. If there's no, no chance of the death penalty, why even try to kill? Yeah, I what about her foot? Where are you the are you the defense? He's a yeah, but I want to know that my work matters. I want to know what I say saving a life. Yeah, okay. Well, what if he's got like a month, yeah, after the sentence, to just do whatever? Do what to handle his affairs? How many affairs did this guy have going on at once? Are you a defense attorney? You seem dumb. You know, you seem dumb, if I'm going to be honest. So they granted it. They how long signed? I want to stay science assigned documentation. About a month. So he's had a seventeen year since. He's going to have about a month where he's gonna wear three hundred and fifty million and we're back to the age old debate if you had a month. So he so he has to wear an ankle monitor. At the end of the month he has to report back to prison to just live there for seventeen years. So it's like a rum springing right did which is the amish have where they get to live? Oh, we decided if we're go back or not. Yeah, actually, kind of, except for monitored and you have to, and you have to. Some have to because he didn't. So he gets his ankle Mo under. He goes and spends thirty days cuts his lefe off sidebar. Never tells his wife about the whole self surrender thing. Oh, I thought about tells her thing net like tell you said, Hey, I'm going to work and then he's going to his trial. Like he never tells her that he stole the money. Never tells her that he's gotten arrested and there's all trial and he might spend a lot of time in jail. What he's been telling her this whole time is that he's being like wrong. I'm a manager, a Duncan Baby. I gotta get up early. You know, those donuts all make themselves. I gotta get there for AM. He says he's been wrongly convicted and finding it, and so when he was at a sentence, they got the wrong guy. I'm the One servant time all the guy really did. It's on x factors season three, like, how can this even be, babe? And he said out of his sensing, child was like an early child, like he just lied to her. Went to this child where. I mean, if it didn't go his way, he was going to prison for seventeen years. Right after it for all right you, and he was like yeah, I'm just gonna go to child be back this afternoon. Well, then he comes back and she thinks it's still an open trial, like who knows what's going to happen. And with an ankle bracelet on, though. Yeah, she wasn't like yeah, there's that about. They're just like they want to keep a little better check of me, you know, like yeah, they want to know where he was. Like, I saw this at the mall. There's one of those kiosk. The Guy said, my ankle looks weird. If I wear this it would look less weird. Yeah, it's a balanced thing. It's like a hmmm, I'm gonna go for I'M gonna go on, I'm gonna go on the run. I'm for a run. Remember time I pulled my hamstring and football in high school. This is like it's supposed to help that. Yeah, that's sad. Yeah, it balances. Yeah, you know, you know, you get it. Yeah, so the month goes by and it's time, it's time to report, and so he's it beep on the day. If you're the morning goes dud, dude, dude, good morning. It's April. Twenty eight. Come back to prison. It's your prison day. Happy Prison Day, John Ruffo, says his name everything. It's the series voice, though. But what years? This is the s ninety eight, airy, primitive, very hello, John rofo. It is prison day, prison, PA PA, Pata, Papa, place them fuse. So, yeah, it's ninety eight. He rents. He rents a car and he asked. He tells his wife, Hey, I want to keep your chiropractor appointment only should take the subway they love in New York, and she's like, I'll just take this upays Goma wuts our car to drive his chiropractor. Like, though, I like to drive you the car. I just went into. This car to drive me to the chiropractor. Yeah, really passionate about your spinal alignment. Well, he told her that his car was in the shop and he's like. He's like, I just really want to spend secial times. You like, let me take you to your car. pract so he does that and dropped it off with the chiropractor. Pulls by the right US Marshall's office. It's a Saturday morning. There's like an attendant at the door and he's okay, I'm supposed to get my inkle monitor off today and the guy just does it, just takes his inkle monitor off and lets him go. Doesn't ask me questions or what they get ID or anything. Just gets his ankle monitor off and then no idea or anything. The last do you think? Let me ask where you think the process should look like? Do you think he needs to give his ID? Yeah, you're let me make sure this is your ankle monitor. I'm sure what happens is you come in and they have to check, like look you up and be like, Oh, are you supposed to get this off? What was this plane like if they did do that, like if he just went to the use of Marcial Office and he was a guy, gotta take this off today, and they were like Bro, you gotta go to jail, you gotta prison. Man. I don't know what his plan was. I don't know, but I've got a feeling. I do know actually, and we'll get to that. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I do know. And then I've always known. And then he goes to the bank, one of the banks he defrauded, and we get our last video that anybody's ever captured of John Rufo. Oh, first of all, saw the creepy faces in the back. Okay, this is eight and ATM FEDA HE PULLS OUT Six hundred from the ATM and at the end of this video he actually looks up at the Cameron smiles at it and it's the last time anyone's ever seen John Rufe. No, and hours later he was supposed to report to jail. Obviously didn't. His wife's just at the chiropractor. Yeah, she's getting aligned and she has no idea he's supposed to be at prison that day. And so she actually gets a phone call from the FBI and they're like screaming at them, at her, trying to figure out, hey, where's your husband, and he's like she's like, I don't know. He went to work after he dropped off of the chiropractors. You check the Duncan on fifty three. It's where he told me it goes every day. And so they ended up at investigating and a couple days later they found that rental car in one of the extended lots at JFK and to this. So with this money, yeah, he boarded a flight, presumably somewhere, to anywhere. He had six hundred and you buy a plane to go with cash. Yeah, I think so. I especially that. Then you could go back. Then you go. I'm saying I think so now, you now. I think so. Now. I don't know why you couldn't. It's money. Yeah, F I'm thinking this is why you wouldn't be able to. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, I'm sure you can. I don't I don't see why they could. I mean, I see why they might want to not, but I don't see how they could legally say no, you can't buy this with cash like that. That doesn't make sense to me. I mean it makes sense, but doesn't make sense, you know. But anyways, they found that car at that lot and it that was one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight. To this day no one has any idea where John Rufo went. The FB he's on the FBI's fifteen most wine list and they still and found him. But like, how is he making it? There's a lot of questions there. There's theories. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use, or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose, can sayco it's this guy in the MLB who really brought steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff, and there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. Let's look at the backstory. I think we need to start with the backstory. Okay, so John Ruffo, where's his wife now? And, I don't know, New York or something, probably still she's a she's right the chiropractor. She's missed at the chiropractor for well, any time, thinking that day. All right. So he just leaves his wife with the chiropractor. Yeah, goes to the US martial office, they take off his ankle monitor. Yeah. GOES TO JFK, yeah, long term parking, yeah, which they never checked, by the way. Yeah, and then your car is not safe at long term parking. Up. And then dips out, yeah, with the six hard dollars cash. Yep, and probably use most that on his fight. That's why I'm saying yeah. So I'm I'm wondering he didn't have access to the three hundred fifty million the theories there's theories. Okay. So so let's look. Let's look at the back story, right. He was born in Brooklyn in one thousand nine hundred and fifty four. Wait, how do I say that? Before Brooklyn? No, it was the bronx box. That brook is the same. Brooklyn's born in Brooklyn in one thousand eight hundred and fifty four. And you saw that picture of him. He's the best way to describe them as George to Stayanza. He's got look at his eyes, Dude. Yeah, he's got male pownern book. He had pink guy when he came to this thing. You know what he looks like? He looks like got copy in my hometown, you know, just like I imagine a police officer in the town of three thousand people with zero crime. A former CO worker of his described him as he's kind of like a computer nerd, and the thing with most computer nerds is once you get to know him, like at first they're kind of awkward and uncomfortable, but let's get to know him, they're actually kind of Nice guys. But Not John Rifo. He was really rude and awkward the whole time. Okay, but yeah, he's got male, Poun bodness, little mustache and he's just the picture they use for the most wanted list. Yes, okay. anyways, so he was a computer nerd his whole life. Love computers from an early age and when, after he got married, married his high school sweetheart. After got married, he started a Computer Services Company called CCS, which stood for cemetery computer services, because they were deal so good you'll die. That's not true, though, because they's first his first client was a cemetery. They digitized all of their paperwork, which was really early to do. Yeah, like they right, yeah, yesssies doing that and over the course of the next few years they kind of blew up doing this for a lot of clients and he got to the point where he made a relationship with IBM and became an IBM reseller of IBM computers. Okay, and kind of his big break that really exploded his company was he made a deal with Philip Morris, which you may know from popular brands like Marlborough or just about every brand of cigarette actually, and Jewell they do it all. So a very, very large company, especially in that time. That was before we realize cigarettes were really that was one we were allowed to have cartoon camels be like Hey, kids, why don't you try spoken? Yep, exactly. Actually, so massive company made a deal with him to supply all of their computers for the whole company. Will. So it's a huge deal, and he was just reselling IBM to them for yeah, while doing that deal he made a relationship with the guy named at Rhiners, who was a executive at Philip Morris, who they hit it off, became really close friends and everybody described it as a very odd relationship. They couldn't figure out why ED and John became friends, because Ed, he is your stereotypical like college Frat Bro Turn Wolf of Wall Street C Guy. Yeah, yeah, not just like the not cool, but like the thinks's cool, like womanizer, Douche. Yeah, drives the Consule, like yes, yeah, himself, works out eight times a day, right, right, all right, but for some reason him and John became like best friend. John was like the opposite of that. Okay, yeah, he's that's like us. One of us is like rich, hot, works out every day and it's just rich, and the other one is married. I guess. I don't know. What do you have? Goorks on computers every day. Some computers every day. For now. EAT SALSA for lunch. No, don't act like what you ate was salsa. Okay, what? No, shut upterally saw shut your month. Is it on the CAN? What Tim made for lunch? Where's my camera? What timmate for lunch today? And this is what he's eating, since, I don't know we were. This is a college person thing to eat. Tim Buys Twenty five cent cans. They still twenty. His inflation gotten to other like seventy two now. Yeah, so cans of tomato sauce. And I say tomato sauce, I mean it's like it's just tomato sauce with a little bit of spice in it. What's it called? Alpato. Il Poto stands for the duck. Yeah, I'll PATO tomato sauce, Mexican hot style. Right, it's kosher. Look at you, it's and then he takes all the bottoms of every canter rusty like that too, brandon n strata us. They really are, though. And and then he he just pours that into a bowl and then takes nacho cheese dourritos and then dip those others cheese Doritos and eats that food. I'm time in. He comes in here and he goes. I don't know why I feel crappy. Seven, I don't know why. Sorry, let me say it is good. I don't know why go crabby. Two, seven. Okay, first of all, I don't know why. I don't know why I feel erribols on. Go to go to your local Walmart. They will have it in stock. It's in where all of your international foods are, and that I'll it'll be. You'll find it. They've got three different flavors. Yellows the best yellows. Not a flavor you can't think. Yellows the best. Those the best. You get like four cans for less than four dollars and then go bag. Usually get four cans for a dollar. Used to when we were in college, you would go buy those. You had a your closet and Advanngel was full of these. It was it was like kind of our patron when we live together had I usually had about twenty on hand. Yeah, I have about ten progress, but and then we'll get yourself a family sized bag of dirto's and sit down and eat that. You know what you can dress, so listen to what you just said. That's A. that's a that's a bit that I used to have or like. Yeah, I knew I was overweight because I always ate things and everything I ate said family size on it. That's A. That's A. I was four pounds. Dude, once you get and then for dessert to seat a dozen cupcakes, you're not gonna live forever. I'm just nobody's gonna live forever. You're not either. You gotta die something, I'm telling you, guys. Go, go, buy some, eat it. It'll change your life. It's not bad, but it's not worthy doing extra work. If you're going out of your way to do this, don't. It's great, it's so good. Give it a try. It's part of timps. Don't get well quick track. Yeah, there you go. And if you go to Alpatocoma tilling, you can use Promo Code, the Yellow One. What are you doing right now? I'm email on them. You're emailing Alpato. Yeah, they don't check their email. With a rusted cane that I don't think. I they have email. They have an email. Cinda a hard letter. It's not alpatacom. I'll Pados the brand name their company. I don't know. If you can see it on here. I can't remember the name of the company I follow on Instagram. Why? Because I love it. It's really, really good. Okay, the brain. I follow, my screaming only account I follow. anyways. So this Guy Ed runners in him become really good friends and everybody thought it was some reason was odd. Yeah, well, come to find out, ed got fired from Philip Morris and so he was hanging out at the office with John and they were working on a new business idea to oh so I did not work there. Well, he did work at he used to, but he got fired. You got five. He was just hanging out as if he worked there. Yeah, and I like this. Him and John Rufo started working on a new duce idea. Yeah, I work here. Yeah, no, you don't. I mean I I'm here every day working what you termor you were seen me. Yeah, you see me here every day. So the you do that at McDonald's? Do you think you could? Do you think you could do that? Like McDonald's real harder. They have uniforms. Find a place that doesn't have uniforms. It has to be like relatively large, like I feel like the smallest place could be like a Walmart type play. That's true. Like it would have to be a place where it's like you might not know for the employee. You know, like you probably see them around, but like you might not. You might just assume, oh, hey, that's just a new guy, you know. Okay, but I gotta like McDonald's. I don't think there's there's enough people on a shift as too tight, tight quarters, I think. Okay, probably give it a shot. Let us know how it goes. Okay, so they start looking working on this new business idea that was going to be this computer sophtmore platform. They like had all these ideas for it, but they didn't start like actually working on it right. It just were like brainstorming this idea and they thought it was kind of crazy. They're like this idea kind of crazy. That's what they said. They but they were known around the office, says. They called it project star, and so what they were doing, what they started doing, is they would go to all these different banks to pitch the idea, okay, to try to get a loan to get project star off the ground. Right. What was the project star? Let me double check. Hold on, give me one second. Project starcom telling prode star was this idea for. Okay, imagine a yearbook, but it's online, right, and what did? You could look up old classmates and you could see if they were married, single. Yeah, it. We want to make high school reunions obsolete. That's our this shit. So I was wrong. It wasn't. had nothing to do with software. Barbecue place close. They were trying to produce smokeless cigarettes. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, and so they were going to go back to Philip Morris and like a vape Pin Kinda yeah, or they were just trying to figure out how to make cigarettes less cancers to people around them. I think maybe more like that. I think maybe that was more the idea. I think because because I think around then, like you started having this like there was this new trend of hey, smoking is really bad for everybody. Yeah, yeah, and so they were trying to get ahead of that. And so they are cigarettes that working to have any smoke. Crazy idea. I don't know how that whatever. Were the corner of the bank, right, and that time they're still smoking the bank this you can't see my face right now. All this spent. Your eyes burned. Yeah, that's why his eyes are read that picture so they went to this bank, they pitched the idea and they got a thirteen million dollar alone off of it. Like the bank was like this a great idea, and I walked out of that that meeting saying that went way better than we thought it was going to go. Well, yeah, we expected three thousand dollars. We expected them to say this is a stupid idea, this is never going to work, and they got worner with thirteen million. Walked out with a thirteen million dollar long to start this business. And so instead of starting the business, they just started spending all the money not on business stuff, on Limos and partying and all this stuff during the work day. So He's supposed to be working. John and Ed go to a club and drink and party and all that stuff, and then club during the daytime. Yeah, and then that is rough. Five o'clock hits and they go home. He goes in there like all right, pass America House. How to go back to my wife watches the new episode of Seinfeld. Time go back to my high school. Sweetheart. Hey, we're Bab long day, Duncan tell you, duck, it was great. And he's just drunk and he's like I can't even stand. I was such an exhausting I gotta sit down. I'm so dight. Hey, you sit down. I did say you could use you should. You should sit down. You are sitting down. You are literally sitting down right now. I sit down, you're sitting down already. Hmm Hmmm. MMM. So the there's they're blowing all this money. Oh yeah, and then fourteen million dollars and the banks like, Hey, you gotta pay that back. Yeah, the then they get a bill for a thirteen million dollar long like their first payment. Well, that's a lot of money. So they go and they say, let's go a no loan, let's go pitch this to another bank. And they did it and they started just pan every other bank with another loan and they just started going down the line, Yours, floating thirteen million around. Eventually it totals over thirt three hundred fifty million dollars worth of loans that they got from dozens of banks all across Manhattan because apparently everybody like apparently they were really good at pitching this, like apparently they had created a great but I mean, if you pay off one of them, you're only owing thirteen million. Dollars. Well, it wasn't the concert. What was happening when you were paying off? That makes sense. That makes yeah, they were going and spinning and then they were just paying the email, the minimums, as they were coming through a minimum payment on a thirteen million dollar loan, and then they were just living crazy life like you know what, don't we worry about the government's going to forgive all this day? Eventually they have to. They have to. Yeah, what are they gonna do? It's three hundred and fifty million dollars. See, million dollars. What are they gonna do? WHAT THEY gonna do it? Okay, stop us. I work at Duncan. What are they gonna say? You gotta pay US three to fifty million dollars. Yeah, I'm never gonna have that much. What are they gonna say? Was Skill alone? What's just get another load? Hey, smokes cigarettes. You know exactly where, a little, lot, a lot, exactly where I'm going. You Ready? Yeah, attle hold on, we're thinking the same thing. That's gonna Beautiful. If not, as would be really weird. Let's take it. Got You ready? HMM, sharks. You got it from it wasn't it until it was a good tell it was. It was so good as good setup. Hello Sharks, we're looking for three hundred fifty million dollars. It's a small donation. So here's the thing about when you take out three hundred fifty million dollars from dozens of banks across Manhattan, the FBI don't talk. Well, the FBI says, Huh, I wonder what they're doing. Let's take a look. So they got audited and FBIBOB I do that is the irs, the CIA or the Dia or the DEA or the or the FDA or or the NCAA or the WNBA, one of the WWF or the Ky three, because we care. O my God. Okay, so off track. So this is what they try to do. The frodive. The FBI is FBI, you mean FDAFDM is trying to like a really, the FBI, we're here to ask with a three hundred fifty million dollars. Oh, hello, FBIBI. Okay, so the FBI is like, well, hold on a minute, yeah, your cigarettes are still smoking. Yeah, those are some pretty smoky cigarettes you're smoking right there. So they get added in and they both get convicted, arrested. I should say they will get arrested, but there are mean, they're they're both putting their names on this. Yeah, yeah, and so they both get put up on a ten million dollar bail, which is like which is there, like pull it from the account, like, Hey, could I get like two days? I just need to go to the bank. Yeah. So they get put up on on ten million dollar bales and Ed doesn't have anybody who can pay it. So nobody pays that ten million. Does John Get stuck in there? John? John. No. John's family goes and they said, we can't get ten million. But they came to the Judgehn said what goes to the bank and they're looking, we've got an idea for smokeless cigarettes. They get thirteen million dollars. All right, they go pay his bail. Yeah, yeah, and then with the other three they start a business like real life. You wanted you watch uncut Jim's no, I think a Jim. The whole movie is He's just paying off one debt with borrow money from another person. You know, it's just like a fast bit, like it's all in that little it's anxiety the whole time. So stressful. But that's what this that's what this is it's they're doing. They were just borrowing more to borrow more. Well, his family, they they have no idea that John's doing this. His family and so his wife, who he's been married for seventeen years, he's like goes tos arrested me for no reason. Yeah, I went to work at Duncan today. Yeah, you pull out money from my k. So John's wife goes to their family and they come to the judge and they said, hey, we can't give you ten million dollars, but what if we offer up our house? All of our homes is clateral. So they put up his and his wife's home, they put up his parents home, they put up his parents, like his wife's parents home, and his aunt and uncle and two sets of hurt aunt uncle's homes. So it was nowhere near ten million, but it was enough homes where the judge was like, okay, if he was going to skip bail on this, there's enough people who are going to be their homes that they're going to find him. Yeah, and also it's like that's his mom and his mother in law and anybody who would help him. Yeah, skip bail. Yeah, these are all like the closest people to him, and so it's pretty unlikely that he's willing to screw this many people. And even if he is, like they're the most likely people like that would help or be able to find him. So they they allowed him to come out on bail, which was pretty unusual. Well, it was like meet me too and know it. They're like, you don't have a family. Everybody who loves you left you because you suck. Yeah, I have a family. I have a family who put their houses in the line for me and for that reason I'm out. I was pretty proud of that. That's good. That's good. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify youtube. You'll get it alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. Helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six, six eight hundred and sixty six. Thank you, so much for being here. So John gets out on bail. Yeah, and while he's out on bail is when they make this deal for the self surrender. So fast forward. The story goes to prison or get out. Long between arrest and that trial was this whole process, we know, because what eds and in jail the whole time, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he actually, I think it's still in jail. We could get him out. They got run through the woods and Tennessee, you can make it at the Barklay Marathon? Did you could have your feet. What if that's what the Broccoley beer thought was? It's all the prisoners from that prison. Yeah, it's like anybody who makes it to the and get them. Hey, you're treading on some real dystopian nightmare stuff. So maybe let's see. It was a long time. I think he got arrested in ninety six and ninety eight was win that? Yeah, conviction happened. I was worn along like a long period. And so he leaves and that FIS trying to figure out where he is. The Marshal trying to figure out where he is. No one knows. On Bai only doesn't know. Now. This is after is after after the conviction and he fly, flies somewhere, allegedly. Yeah, well, they're trying to figure out where he went and they have like nothing to go off. The leads has I and even the family has no idea. But the families not not helping, and so they had to do the the FBI did the only thing they could think of, which was the only clatter they had, and they seized all those homes. So his wife, both of his sets, his parents, his inlaws, his aunt and uncle, and then her two sets of her own uncle's all had their homes seized because they said, well, maybe if we do this, he'll come back and be like, I can't put okay, so imagine I'm seeing. Imagine aunt and uncle, right, yeah, imagine that. You've worked your whole life, all right, because all these people are elderly at this point, I'm saying tired. We were to our whole lives. And then my brother's kid wife, my brother's my kids, brother's daughter's husband is an idiot. Yeah, and you're like, I barely know him. I see him at Thanksgiving every once in a while. Sure, and I don't like. I don't like he's weird, I don't like right he's weird. Yeah, I don't dude. How I would describe him is he's a computer nerd, you know, and sometimes you meet him and you're like these guys very nice, but he's just not, you know, and he kind of sucks. But it like we really love her. She's our nice you know. And so I mean, I guess there's no way he would really mess u up this much and take our home. And then the government shows up at your house and it's like hey, yeah, yeah, turns out, you know how you thought he sucked. Yeah, he does stands out. He really does say yeah, and they the police just showed up and was like hey, you guys are moving. Yeah, and they're just like, Yep, give us this house. Yeah, they literally they like shut up and they said, hey, you guys have an hour, you're moving, and then they change the locks and like that's stresses me so sad and to me, like I don't know, that part as a story frustrates the heck out of me because it's like I don't know, like I know that that was the case in technically agreement. You knew what you were signed up for. Yeah, but at the same time it's like there comes a point where, like, you just kind of have to be a human and say as when you're the judge, like you got Ba yeah, like these people didn't do anything wrong. John did well, but you don't know if any of these people are helping him be gone. I think at this point they knew that they didn't, because because that they've taken them all on for questioning. They've done all this, like they've they heard other leads. I think at this point they know if he started access to all this money. Yeah, well, okay, so they did. They were able to collect at the point of his arrest, about three hundred and like thirty eight million dollars. Yeah, so there was about seventeen million that was unaccounted for. So they probably spent a lot. Yeah, but there's probably still some other money that they don't have a paper trill for, which we can get to that. I guess maybe not. Was a good time for some theories. There's five theories about what happened. Oh my Josh. Okay, first, he left a suicide note on his dining room table when he left. The problem with the suicide wrote note, though, is that his wife doesn't believe it. She said it was it was super cold and like and even like some like psychologists have read it and said that this doesn't check out as a suicide. Yeah, someone who is this is a like you're covering up for. Yeah, you're trying to make everyone think you killed yourself because, like he it's very cold. He says he reached his breaking point, but then, other than that, he says he like he had no choices. Just understand, like this is me beating them and he's decided to give himself to God. But didn't say anything about like the relationship, like didn't a lot of a lot of did mentioned Ed, didn't mention had a lot of them. A lot of times in suicide knows, people apologize for the making it. He didn't apologize, like it was just he's doing this to beat just like yeah, I'm gone now. Yeah, yeah, pretty much like I'm out of here, so don't bother looking for me. Yeah, you're never gonna him into dead. Yeah, so nobody leaves that, not even his wife. The next big theory is that he's just hiding out in plain sight, that he's living somewhere in the country and probably had changed his appearance a little bit. You're and I'm connect for this and it just kind of live in his life. They say now he'd be sixty seven and he's just trying to blend into the crowd these days. I mean, that would exactly took a few million dollars as living off of that cash money, and is just I mean, if you needed to disappear and you shaved and then just gained fifty pounds, you would not be ye, as recognizable. Shave your head, like shave a shave whatever facial or you have, go to the PLACETA surgeon, or just hit yourself in the face of the brick a few times. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, just break your nose as years, because they break themselves in the face. But here's here's the interesting part about this. This will sound familiar to you because a few years ago, in two thousand and sixteen, the US marshals received a tip that someone thought they spotted him Adam La dodgers game. What no, way, is a video from the game. He was in the second row behind home plate, a man who looks similar, yeah, to yeah, you do what he would look like if he was you know tell the looks like a hit in the face of the brick. In this picture. I love they blurred this guy's face, like it makes a difference if it wasn't a pretty supero like here's a super blory photo. Let's really make sure that no one identifies this guy. That actually the other guy was holding up like a little bit. Looks like they took a picture of their TV on the Nokia phone. Well, here's the thing, here's the thing. He was there was no shot where someone's looks like a picture you look at and you be like, yeah, there's a face. They're like what you would show somebody back. There's a ghost. You see, it's a fake. You see the face, but that's what this looks like the guy. Well, they ended up contacting the dodgers, figuring out what seat that was and who purchased that seat, and they found that guy and the FBI went and they got him to agree to get fingerprinted, and so you got fingerprinted. The issue was it wasn't a match. So the guy, while he looks a lot like him, he doesn't. You can't, I don't know if he doesn't mean. Look at this, he kind of looks like them. And look at that. He got a yeah, like he looks like if someone went to party city and got a John Ruffoam mask like you know, like you know those really baggy like JFK masks like, or Nixon masks like. That's what this looks like. Like you, if you want to this, if you're watching the LA daughters game, there's someone wearing a Nixon mask behind home plate, though. You know, I thought I'd be like that's John Rufolk. Mass mandate still in effect. I gotta, I have to wear this. Yeah, so that that lead came up to EMP team. But there's been a long running theory that he's just out here somewhere in the country, just living off cash, yeah, and laying low, obviously far away from his family and friends and everyone whoever new one so la would check out because he always lived. What if he's one of the police officers in Mount Vernon where? I was like, he looks like a COP Mon Vernon. You know, I'm Brad. I'm Brad, I'm glad. I'm Brad. I'm Brad. I'm glad you brought that up because there's a picture of him that has sparked a lot of controversy of him with the FBI and to his left, right there, he's holding the gun very inappropriately to well, to the left of him, right there is the assistant director of the FBI. I. That's the the blurry face next to him. Yeah, who was also saying they so what the dodgers say? Blurry face, everyone's face, the BLURD. He's holding that gun. Is that a gun he's holding? That's a gun. Yeah, he's not holding that. Well, yeah, he's got that up there like he's got his singer on the sugar. Yeah, he's never held a gun before. Best, that's not him. That's him. That's him. Was He in the FBI? No, what is this? So this is a very interesting thread. John will tell you, and he was rather open with selling computers, but was rather open with his co workers, that he had a government contract that he worked on and it was highly secretive and he would tell his employees. Is the conspiracy of the FBI helped him get away. So he would tell of his employees. He would say, Hey, I'm going to be working on this government contract. Please do not project Duncan and he would close closes office door and he'd be in there for hours working on this. That's the that's the bet. Like of course that's what you would do. Is You guys. Hey, guys, I'm we're gonna when it come over here. I'm working on very secret things. I've working on super secret government documents. When ed shows up with two women, they are with the FBI, don't say anything. Just let them in. Don't say anything, don't say a word. Yeah, but he he talked. He was pretty opened with the fact that he worked on a very secretive government contract and he would let things slip a lot to say that like the work he did was like saving us from nuclear oblivion in the Cold War. Yeah, if it's true, we don't know, but what we do know is that that we do know have documents. That these that is tie is the same pattern as a hotel conference room. The carpet you're entire about. Yeah, that is that is the Oh, that's pretty bad. Well, the FBI was recred of working with him. Oh, okay, what they what the records say, though, is that it was minor computer work. That he's obviously then. What is unusual, though, is if he was working on some minor computer projects, why does he have a picture with the assistant director of the FBI and why did they let him hold a gun in the picture? Yeah, but he clearly doesn't know how to hold it. Doesn't know how to hold a gun with playing it straight up with his finger in the trigger. Yeah, and he's got the TAG team like they've got like this isn't a serious FBI team. Is there a full picture of this? Yeah, there, I mean there's more people in the I don't see the context. If it's possible. Yeah, let me this is obviously this is zoomed in. Yeah, let me see if I can get that. Is that how tall the assistant director is? He's obviously sitting down. For the listeners, it is just because it dim damp. He doesn't look like a freaking we got big as eye sockets. Look on that picture, because he's worse sunglasses, I hope. If not, he's got two big dark circles for eyes. Holy Cow Man, was he a little Goblin? So, yes, so the theory here what? They helped him. He did something for the FBI. Yeah, he was like, I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine. Yeah, and so they helped him. They helped him get wet Ed, take the fall for it, take my aunt and uncle's house. Yeah, yeah, who cares? But he knows the assistant director well a picture with somebody doesn't mean they know them. But yes, I mean, yeah, that's true, but anyways. So I have to keep making that distinction because you see how many politicians get destroyed from people who are like, Oh, look, he's got pictures with this person, and it's like yeah, but if someone comes to my show and takes a picture with me and then does something insane, yeah, it doesn't mean that doesn't mean like yeah, yeah, you just took a picture with them, but I mean like, I don't know, like how often are how often does the like here? They have an SBI hat, yeah, and take a picture with us, hold my gun, like like it's unusual. It doesn't seem like something you would do for just some guy who did some computer work for your agency. It is a little odd that he have a computers with new is a new thing. Maybe, I don't know. I I think it's I think it's odd that he got this picture, given the work that they have to sure he did. If he did something closer, I bet. I'm sure he embellished, but if he did something closer to what he said, it would make more sense that he got this picture. But if all he did was sell them some computers and set them up for him. To me, that makes no sense. Like my he would have this picture. But anyway. So the theory is that the FBI helped him get off with it, because there is that missing money. Yeah, and if he does know, the director of the FBI just paid it off. Yeah, Hey, I'll cut you. Yeah, I'll see you seven million dollars if you make me disappear. And the FBI would know how to do that. I'm sure they do it all the time, help people disappear. I don't know if they help people disappear with that. Make him disappear. You know, they some say you don't exist anymore. Have Fun in New Mexico, John Rufo, or should I say John Ralphuel, fun in Indiana. Theories. We are two more. Yeah. So the next theory is that the Russians are hiding him. So some MOMS comes back. So this was Cold War era. This this was end of Cold War era, right. But there was a this what he was working with the FBI. There is a storyline that he had worked with the Russians, like what he was supposed to be doing for the FBI was he was doing it for Russia to take Russia down he was. He was a double agent for Russia and there was an interesting segment in the story because his employees retell that there was a moment when he was working on that government contract when there was a set of two people who had desks from the government that we're working with them, but they said that he did. Both those people had very thick Russian accents and they both wore holsters on their ankles with guns in them. And they want to talk to anyone. I'm glad you clarified. Guns, holsers angles for slaves. One guy is really was a big snacker to which down is their gob stoppers down there, you know. So. And they wouldn't talk to anyone. They just come in, do their work all day and leave and they had their little little guns. But that the Russian accents and so okay. The theory is that he was a double agent and he had ties to Russian. Russia saved him. Yeah, and they chipped them off to Russia and they said you're one of us. Now say goodbye to John Ruffo. You're now John Russia. U Yourd okay, and the evidence for this is a picture of if you're audio listener, you can't see it on the screen right now, but it's John Rufo and Putin next to each other. So in front of a boarding building. It's it's they yeah, it's pretty it goes hard man, so bull shirtless for some reason. Yeah, clearly not their torso, yeah, yeah, for shot. I. The other theory is that he moved to Italy with help from the Mafia. I was going onder of the Mafia was going to be involved. Yeah, yeah, he is Italian. Yes, he's pay them off pretty easy. He comes from Italian descent. But it's more than that. His Barber was Italian and actually a few years after John disappeared, his barber move back home to Italy. Also, his office, John Ruffo's office, was in the same building of this restaurant where a famous mob boss by the name of Paul Castello was gunned down in this office are in that restaurant. Yeah, like very famously, while John Rufe was still worked there. And so some people think that he might have been connected to that, because employees said that all day, even prior to the event, he was acting very erratic that day, as if he knew what was going to happen that day. He's walk around the office going down. Yeah, yeah, and then like like they hear these tire screens. He's like, turn on the news, and then they hear all the shots and it's like, would you know? Something hold on happening here, it seems like. So there's theories that he was connected to the mob. They're all theories and the ideas the mob helped ship them off to Italy. Yeah, there, we already cover this one. The auto, the FBI, my bad. The addition thing, the addition to this one that makes it a little bit more credible, is his wife said that during that month where he was supposed to sell surrender, before he sells surrendered, he said that. She said there was one time that made me think maybe he was planning on doing something weird, and it was for dinner. He said, can we have LASAGNA, and I was like you never ask for this. He said, I just want to try it. I just want to, I want I've always wondered, I just do want to lasagna. I wondered what life would be like if all I was looking before I go to prison. Maybe I don't know. The trial hasn't happened. Jill, still pending. Yeah, so what is that fig on your ankle. It's where I keep my twizzlers. So his wife, his wife said that what he one time he just randomly was like, Hey, what if we moved to Italy? And she was like, she's like, he's probably in Italy, because one time he was like, what if we move to Italy? Well, no, I was during this period before he left. Oh yeah, if I disappear, he just raised going to be like, you know where he's always wanted to go? A cruise ship. Was this pizza place in North Kansas City. Re meet and Tim drive past this piece of place all the time on our way to lunch and every time we oh, we need to try that. So I'm saying, if I disappear, you're gonna one of the police and be like he's always wanted to go to that Pizza Nice. Yeah, he y plays this video game called the watcher. So to this day no one's found. He could be an Italy, could be in Russia, he could have paid off the FBI. He could be dead, honestly, sixty seven, like he could have died in naturally positive and now healthy. Yeah, or he's just living in plain sight out there in the world. He could be he could be in one of the cars that drives. But I was little, damn it, I hate the you did that. I was little about to be like. I mean, he could be look out your window right now. Yeah, he I could be one of them. He could be across the street in a window with the BNOCULARS watching you open up your briefcase. He could be in the Appalachian Mountains. You know. Do you know how many marathons you be a lot to run if you had seventeen million dollars? The interviews are dollar sixty and a pack of smokeless cigarettes. Wait a minute. Anyway, I really think what happened is he paid off the director of the FBI. Yeah, I think I've put in its. Devil helped him do it. Satan. He was like, please, Satan Dears, see, here's Satan. If you give me having this, I'll give my life to you. I'll give you thirteen million dollars. Fiddle off, joenre. Things of the last night is a production of space tim media produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by conner best, social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. 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What are the names that come to mind when you think of bank robbers? For many, names like Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger, and maybe even certain GTA V characters fill the mind. However, these robbers don’t even scratch the surface. While, technically, not a bank robber, John Ruffo conned a few dozen banks out of more than $350 million. … Read More

The Barkley Marathons – The Race That Might Actually Kill You

05-03-22

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Hey, man, what's going on? Oh, not much. I hate when you start episodes like that. You do that long Oh, oh, go oh. Have you ever heard of the Berkeley Marathons? The Berkeley Marathon? Yes, is this what Charles Barklay does that Easter every year his house. They're just like it's the Berkeley Marathons. Everyone in line up, welcome to the Barkley Marathon. And Yeah, makes everyone run until they puke. Yeah, try. Last person to Puke wins. He's got the property for it. Them just runs around his backyard until I can you imagine if you didn't have the property for he's got like backyard Acre back dude, three hundred laps. It's like what you said when you when it rains and you have to go for a run. I do. I run in my living room. Just walk the why do you laugh at that? I do. I've that's what that's how I started when I when I originally lost weight, well, because I was four hundred pounds, I didn't want to run outside, I mean, as I thought that people were going to see me. I think you know I'm that's embarrass you see a fat person run, because in your mind you're like you don't do that every day. You know. That's what I knew people are going to think about it. I mean shout out to you for finding something that works for you. And I ran back and forth in my hotel rooms, and I even care if i's on the first floor. I hope. I hope I was shaking a chandelier underneath me. You don't talking about I hope someone was in the lobby. The idea see the lights going, just the idea of you running twelve foot gasser's living rooms outers and what I do kills. I did it this morning. It was a little too chili outside. Don't you have a Palate Peloton? Now, Palat on Peloton. Hey, don't tell it about that. Oh sorry, we're trying to get money from right supporters. All right, we're trying been hey, support us on Patrio. They don't need to know that I'm rich Patriot pelotize. They don't need it. Know it's on Peloton. Support US on pelotime. You can follow me. You've got at that. You can't. You don't have it. He's got one of those exercise bikes from that Garrig. Knowing that I have an excid an exercize bike. I have an exercise bike that's worth more than your car. How do you feel about that? I have a home Jim. Do you have a Home Jim? Have you seen? Yeah, you just buy some weights on facebook market tace. I mean it's not bad, it's not great, it's not bad. I don't use it. I have a home Jim to yeah, yeah, he just hangs out the other room. It's one of my neighbors. Like he got him to leave. Jim. How's it going? I'm your home as my home Jim. Anyway, you're gonna love this house. There's a home gym in the basement. Oh my gosh, we should do that. WHO's that? Oh, that's your home je that's your home Jim. Yeah, and it's just a guy that like it's like a really creepy unfinished basement. He's just sitting there on like like I'll count how many times you run wall the walls a kid. He's got with you. Fut Pig cheer. Dude. is every creepy guy in the s haveing a camping chair the Dave had since they were twenty two. You know, he's just he's just wall the way. Saying that it goes in years ago, lost that a long time ago, running across the basement and halfway through there's that little puddle where the water is going on the drain and it's like watch that puddle. Like blows the whistle every time a minute. Yeah, every time he's stepping he's like we was the whistle. Yeah, that's my whole gym. How many laps in my living? The Dutt Mile? And he says this is a person that he knows for a fact we're not going to make it. That's all. I'm go go sound like prison name. I guess they kind of do. Actually, I don't know what he sounds like. I'm going to make a guess and you can tell me if I'm right around he said duct tape and vastling. All right, that's everything. Things last night anyways, similar concept. So the Barkley Marathon. It was started by two guys. They're friends in Wartburg, Tennessee, okay, which is a little it's in froze like just outside frozen head state park, which is near probably the biggest town you would know as Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Yeah, which is really crazy that you brought that up earlier. I was like where did that come from? Because we've taught we got an episode about Oak Ridge. Well, I know, but it was just surprising because I literally I didn't even bring up Tennessee. I just said where does that and you said, Oh, Christ Tennessee, and I was like, oh, that is weird. But yeah, this is right by after Steve. I was just there this past week. Yeah, doing some nuclear bomb stuff with my away from Home Jim. He gets to see the world about traveled Jim. Home Jim is begging me to move into a bigger place, but not right now. No, no, anyways. So it was. So it's in that area of Tennessee, like that northeast rocky top, the mountain. Yeah, the mountainous tennis Appalachian Mountains, the APPALACHIANS. So their names are Gary can trail and Carl Hen but they're more affectionately known as Lazarus Lake. That's Gary can trail and Carl Henna is known as raw dog. No, they're not. Yeah, that's legitimate. to WHO. WHO calls everybody? Everybody? Everybody. Yeah, everybody. Why what are they just called with his names? Call Me Rod, I don't want it. Lazarus, late Lazarus, like people usually call him lass though. Hey, man, my name is LAS is first name for short Gary. Gary. Yeah, I guess you could make up a bed one the other ones, Carl. Yeah, Hey, I'm gary. You can call me Lazarus Lake. Yeah, we should dinner reservations. What was it? Him? One, geary. I don't have anything. Okay, try Cantrell. No, no, not, try man. What needed it? Lazarus Lake. How we got yes, sorry, Mr Lair, right this way. Why? Who? Okay, I don't know. Will it make more sense? No, okay, I mean it might. There might be a point where you're like, Oh, I understand, but it's not. We're never going to explain it. There's never an explanation. But there might be a point where you say this makes this checks out. Okay. So they in the s early s they heard of the escape of James Earl Ray from brushy mountain state penitentiary. Now, rushy mountain state not a college prison. Be Cool if college had a prison, though. They they after you. They do. It's just more of a metaphorical prison called debt rushy mountain state penitentiary. When on, like when you're released, they give you hoodies that say brushy mountain state on Themni Association showed up. I was with you whatever. No. So the the prison is a for the longest time had been kind of a prison where they shipped off some of the hardest criminals because it's placed right in the center of the Appalachians and if you escape, you you ain't getting anywhere. Yeah, was the the theory is, yeah, even if that's a squatches, people are like that's a Sasquatch, is it? Well, I's just an escape convict, you know, and that's why they started all these man hunts. Yeah, they were like, yeah, let's find the police were like Tass squat's like yeah, let let's find him, you know. But the theory generally was like, if anybody does escape, they're just going to get lost in the woods and I'm going to find him. And James Earl Ray was one of those situations. He escaped. If you don't know who James Ouray is, he's the assassin who killed Martin Luther King Jr. And so in seventy seven he escaped from prison. A legend. He escaped from prison and he went into the woods with I think there's four other convicts at all. Got It like they stage this big escape. How they get out? I don't know. Actually, maybe we can do another episode on that. I'll look into it and see if it's interesting. We should look up some prison escapes. Yeah, that does sound interesting actually. Yeah, and then we should try it. We gotta Try Robin a bank. We gotta try and well's what we'll do. Yeah, tell it, escape from prison. Well, till one's got to go to prison first. Right, so let's try and goes to college. Let's dress out college. Right, prison, let's try to rob a bank, all right, and see if we get arrested. And if we do, then we do all the episode. Yeah, I mean we it's a matter of what can you get away with? Can't we get it? If we can't get away with robbing a bank, will be like we failed, which sets US send us up for this, and that's isn't that how God works? You know, if one plan doesn't work out and the other ones right around, we can do it. Yeah, and then we could try to get out of prison. Great. So they escape and none of them made it. So the other three died in the olderness. He was found fifty four hours later after traveling eleven miles, and actually found him face down in a pile of leaves and he just like his body gut gave out an exhaustion. He only made eleven miles and so they took it back to prison. Oh, he wasn't dead. No, yeah, he was alive. He's just faced down in a pile of leaves, which is a metal core album. FACEDOWN IF I was trying to face down in the least. was that face down in the day? Yeah, apparatus Christian band. Did you know that? Are They not? A lot of people knew that they were Christian band. anyways, probably were a band. Had some Christians. No, that was before anybody said that they were a Christian band, but they weren't anyways. They weren't a winter jam band. It's different. That's a that's a whole. Not anyways. So after hearing about this raw dog and LAS, we're like, Huh, interesting, I don't like this. Okay, they were like that's interesting. We're day in prison. No, no, they were just they lived in the nearby town. But if they go to prison? M As far as I know, no, they might have at some point, but I don't know. That's are I go sound like prison name. I guess they kind of do actually, but rodog and las were like that's interesting. I wonder how far we could get. Like he made eleven miles. Like how far could we go? And so they so they literally did what I just did like three minutes ago, where I was like we should try that. But they did it break out a prison. They just said if we just let's start from the hole in the wall. Yeah, just want to know the prison and walked away. That's where people got out. So they go to getting character. They go drop in if you will. You're like, okay, we just got in a prison, right, what we were you in for? They come with all these back stories. Yeah, so they went out and they managed to go fifty miles. They backpacked through the Appelatians. They managed to go fifty miles and find their way out of the Wilderness and they were like that was kind of interesting. It was really hard, but it was kind of fun. And they're like, what if we made a marathon out of that? And so they said they were trying to bear grill style. At first was like, let's see if we get they were just like mountains. They just saw this guy get caught and they're like I could do that. We could. They like, I could do that. So then they created a marathon where they like if we can do it. So while they were on this, they were like this would make a pretty good marathon. And I don't know if they were marathon guys before, it sounds like by the fact that their names are las and raw dog, the they want, I don't think they were not the type that's doing organized anything. So they put together this Maryor. They did fifty miles, which is a deble marathon. Yeah, yeah, it's huge, and so they were like we could, we could make a marathon out of this. Do you know how long I term to do it? If took him a few days like they were. They out, yeah, camping. They took their time, but they so they started. They call it the Berkley Marathons, and the first one was in eighty six, hundred and eighty six, and this marathon has since become one of the more famous marathons in the world. In Europe it is probably hands down the most famous American marathon. People travel from all over the world to participate in this marathon. Okay, the cash is you have to get arrested first. Yeah, and that goes on your permanent record. There's a lot of catches, probably the biggest catch being it's the most difficult marathon that exists. Since it was started in one thousand nine hundred and eighty six, fourteen people have finished it. Fourteen people, including the Philo, Lazarus and raw dog that I don't think they've done it. I don't think they've done I mean, they wentn't backpacked, but I don't think they've done the marathon. Okay, I could be wrong about that, but I don't. I don't, I don't think. How. Why is it twenty six point two miles? Well, so there's kind of two phases of it. They're adequately named, the short one in the long one. Yeah, yeah, do you want to do the short one of the long one? So is this official? I flew from Europe for this. So the short one ran from eighty six to eighty nine and that ran until eighty nine when Ed Furta, his nickname is frozen, changed it after what do you want your nickname to be? Apparently we can be a beinning. You know, I don't think I stink of what's all right, cars, which pigs are by cars. This guy's frozen. I'm cars tip car, stop here, you Pixar. Can it be animated movies? I would like to be Monster House. Don't ever call me anything that's not monster house again. All right, he chose cars. The reason I chose cars is because, over a lege today, I've watched an interview with Hasbella. You know that came. That's my favorite. There are two accounts. I honestly all would follow everybody else on instagram and only followed two people, and the two people are has Bellah and your boy Josh. Those are the only two people that I want to follow on social media. Well, in the interview, if you don't know, first of all, if you don't know who has Bulah is. Yeah, what's he's a nineteen year old. Says he had some European country right where. He's in Russia. He's a Russian, so Russia. But he's got some kind of not a disease, but a it's a condition. It's like a like, not disorder. Yeah, a form of tooism where he literally looks like a four year old child. Google has blood. Yeah, it's my favorite. Nineteen years old, but he he looks like a top, he looks like a toddler, and so the first video I saw was they were driving real fast in the car and he's in the passengercy holding on. It looks like someone's endangering a child's life. Yeah, but he's an adult and he's dangering his own life. Dude. It is in all of the did you see his bar stool interview? It's probably the same interview I watched then. Yeah, with the long hair, dude. Yeah, and he's just eating chocolate ice cream the whole times. Yeah, and I love all the comments that are like this is a nineteen year old man. He's got ice cream all over his face, like because he's just leaning into the fact that, like, I'm a kid, I look like a kid. Yeah, the guy as them. He said, like what's your passion, like, what do you want to do with your life? And he said I love cars. And he said what do you love about cars? He's like tuned them up, like the sound they make, like how fast they are, like with the experience of driving them, like I just love cars. And the guy asks, he's like, he's like, I've you ever seen the movie? And the guy was like, I'm an adult, like as I was like, I'm an adult, I don't want cartoons and he's like, I'm an adult, I love cars. Yeah, it's yeah, that's my favorite. So cars is social night of Post Day. Sure it's what you've been thinking about cars so much. Yeah, that's why my mind has just been cars all day. All right, well, your cars, I'm Monster House, and you and I would set out on the original one. So in eighty nine, frozen, frozen, frozen was the first person to finish. Okay, three what is that? Three years in the base, like we need to make it longer. Yeah, someone finished it. At this point the race was fifty five miles. Oh my gosh. And so that's the shorter one. Yeah, so that's the short one. And so after he finished it, las and raw dog, we're like, well, this is too easy. He was a first person to finish. Three years down the LEA years in. They're like Dang, and so they extended it to a hundred mile race along when they extended it, you're allowed to sleep and stuff. I mean yeah, but you probably not going to finish because it's a hundred mile race and the way it works is they're twenty mile loops. So you're doing twenty mile loops around the Appalachian Mountains. And during the loop five times. Yeah, you do that twenty mile loop five times. The catches. You have sixty hours to do it. Here's the thing, though, it's in the Appalachian Mountains. So throughout the course of this race, from all the different climbs that you're doing, you end up climbing twenty sevenzero feet in elevation across the whole race. So because you're going up hill, down hill, up hill, down hill, right, and so it's incredibly physically trying. Well, one, if you're going to go a hundred miles in what is that? A little over two days, like two and a half days. Yeah, even doing that like flat. Yeah, but kill you. But how far do people make it? Most people finish eight, one, two, two, loops, somewhere in that range. Most people don't make it two, three, four five, but you only have sixty hours to do it. There was I watched a video. It was somebody who was like so close. Yeah, I watched the video of a guy from Europe who the cutoff is sixteen, sixty hours. You have to finish it in sixty hours. He was thirteen seconds past sixty hours. That's all say. No, no, no, no, no, no. He didn't. He didn't finish. No, no, that's all I'm saying. I would lose my mind. Yeah, he was. He had a full buy. Would protest, you know, I would burn down the APPALACHIANS and I would say time it. See how long it takes. You've ruined. You've ruined, bruised. This nature tied around rage. Yep, you did this, this is your fault. Last yeah, you don't know if it was last decision. It could have been raw dogs. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. We love our listeners a lot and one way that you can let us know you're here is by leaving a podcast review. Maybe that's a five star thing in the apple podcast at. Maybe you listen on spotify or, if you're watching on youtube, leave a comment. We do read all the comments and reviews. We just love knowing what you think about this show. Also, if you haven't yet, go check out some of our other episodes. My current favorite is the identical strangers episode. It's three brothers or triplets who were separated at birth, unbeknowns to them or their parents, as part of a really weird experiment. So there's a lot of really fun stuff. We talked about in an episode, but thank you for checking this out. Now back to this one, and that's what I'm saying, is that imagine that last curve where people are like come on, you know, everyone's cheering, you know, and then like the person the clock is like, no, he's literally the thirteen seconds would be like from here to that wall. Yeah, well, I don't think that's, after all, hundred mine. Yeah, I guess you're like hundred miles yellowing. Yeah, that's true. That is true. I would say he lost. He lost, but he's the closest. But how many people have like like finish the hundred miles, though? I don't know how many people, because because, I mean, there is a point where it's like if you've ran ninety five miles and you look at your clock like Oh, it's been sixty one hours, you're kind of like, I'm not going to, I'm done running. Hey, do it fine, yeah, forget that, and I think your body kind of gives out. And so that's the whole, the whole point of it. Like laughs, body wouldn't MMM LAS and how many laps in my living room? Do you think? A hundred miles? If I go through troop, you know, make that a website. How many? How many laps in Charon's living room is this files because like here, here, here and here is like a tenth of a mile. So if I go so, how many laps is that? I'm running diagonal in my living room, right. It made my dining rooms involved. Yeah, and sometimes my front entry way right there. Yeah, so I'm running corner to corner, to corner to corner. That's the right of a mile. That's a tenth of a mile. So that's two laps. Back and forth. We call back and forth lap. Are just whack and forth. That's one and a half laps. So if you go from corner to corner to original corner, that's a full lap. Right then. No, looks corner, corner, corner there. That's a Tenh of a mile. Yeah, one two, three, okay, one two, okay, see what you're saying. Yeah, so, okay, so for four, but I would say one two. That's a lap. So see, one lap is a twenty of a mile. No corner to to let hold on. So if it's corner relaps, is is is it twenty of a mile? Okay, cool, that's that's all I need to know. Is Point two miles. Three laps is point two miles. So you have to go. So I have to go fifteen laps per one mile. So it's fifteen hundred laps. Yeah, they do a hundred miles. So that's three thousand times. Across my living room. That's bro One, two, three hundred four, three thousand times, you know. And sometimes my coffee table, I don't put it in all the way. You know, I'd push my hot table all the ways. It's a straight line and so and I'm just doing I'm doing sprint some my liver. You know what's. Say what you want, but like I guarantee we should foot race. I could run faster than you and fathering you, I'm sure you can. I hate the people. I know why. That's what bothers me. I know that I'm a larger person, all right. I hate when people comment the fat one on Youtube, because I go. But I am in just a different league of health than did you see? Because would the things that you've eaten and the thing you get out of breath so easy? I do. Yeah, I get literally one of us in this whole show has to go every five seconds because your one capacity is nothing. All right, it's acture. That's accre it anyways. So they it. Maybe not. They extended into the long one for not defending yourself. A hundred and so that was an eighty nine. Right. Since then, since then it took it took six years for anyone else to finish again, and that was a guy by the name of Mark Williams from the UK. But he goes by he finished it in fifty nine hours and twenty eight minute. What does he go by? He doesn't have a nickname. Oh, so that's an Appalachian trail thing. Is that? I'm figuring out? No, I'M gonna see. I'm serious. Yeah, everyone gets like trail nicknames. So and then after that, really what happens is every time someone finishes, they make it a little harder. So so they're like, well, I guess it's too easy. They so it's supposed to be too possible. It's not supposed to be impossible. It's that he said we want to get to the point where about one percent of people finish this that race. Ever, because he said so his his lass, I don't think Rod Ogg's involved anymore. Yeah, Rod dog was like. Rod Dog was like listen, he only it was thirteen seconds. Give it to him. You know, the last us was like it's the principle, Rodag win and started the one Thousan nine hundred and four Olympic marathon. There we go. Yeah, no, so, yeah, I don't know. It's like they had a falling out or if he lost inches or if he died, like I really don't know, like I can't. I don't know what happened to there's no, there's no records. If you google raw doll, I mean if you there's no. If you look on the wikipedia page for the marathon lads, Rust Lake has his on page. Okay, raw dog does not. So I would your allows. Rus lakecom a little nervous about this. He hasn't changed the word press theme logo on the top left corner. So he's got his alsting. He's using the divvy theme. Yeah, that's interesting, and it's and advertising a different race, which is interesting anyway. So then we're finding out that he does multiple races. Well, I knew he did Multiori says, I didn't know about this. This is a race that goes from Oh gosh, this race goes from let me see, what town is this right here? What's that town called? I know, I know what this is. It's a little outside of a town and it's pretty far from that actually. It's near Sikeston Missouri. Okay, probably about fifty miles out of Sikeston or Cape Girardo. Not Cape Girardo, it's further sout. It's south, okay, from there, to catch these guys, a psycho back. I just realized that the math wrong on my living room. Okay, to Coal City, Georgia. Oh my gosh. So, yeah, this guy's the psychopath, but this one, but he doesn't do them. No, yes, this is three hundred and fourteen miles. Is the race he's anyways. Yeah, so, yeah, he doesn't do the races. He just crazs these crazy races. And so if you watch the interview with him, it's really interesting watching him because every interview I found, I watched like a dozen, and every interview I can find, literally every single person says, Lazarus, are you a sadist? And he like laughs about. He's like no, he says, I just think. I think our culture has gotten too comfortable with comfort and we don't know how to deal with being uncomfortable and doing something that's difficult. And so he says. I wanted to create something that is really hard but possible, to help people see, hey, like, I'm stronger than I think I am and I can go further than I think I can, and so I said. So this race, the Berkeley Marathon, is really designed to push you to the edge of your mental and physical limits and really the majority of people who do it realize, I'm not going to finish this race, but they want to push themselves as far as they can and see how far they can make it. Do you get like a certificate that you made it like eighty seven miles or whatever? Know when you finish? When you finish, you no joke, no joke. Let me tell you. Let me tell you the prize. You're gonna love this. The prize is you finish the race and then, if you finish, you get there's a special thing called clear right, and guy takes you. The guy takes you. Do it another room, a briefcase you can reach Otate win this race and your win enlightenment. Now literally he w the race and there's a special green lawn chair by the finish line that you get to sit in and watch everybody else. And that's it. That's all it is you get to you get to cosplay. My Home Jim get a lawn chair out and he's gonna sit there be like this is what I've trained for. Watch out for that puddle. Good Jub you one. You get a job down spoken. I guess you can sit on the ground. I have a chair. Okay, this is perfect. Let me detail this whole the whole scenario for you. So if you were to want to run in this race, there's no what I'll do. There's no public information of how you register. So even getting involved in it is very difficult. It's basically invit. Only somebody who's ran the race just got you. Oh, I was going to say Lazarus just has to see you running one day and be like he's got four, it's got it. Yeah, that's also one of the reasons I ever ran outside. I was, you know, I don't want to get picked up by any marathons. He just travels the world watching other marathons and he sits on the sides and he's like hey, you got good hips son you I thought he was betting on marathon runners like people do horse beets. You know, I put twenty on frozen for sure. Twenty one prison. So it's invite only. So basically you have to be in that network of marathon runners, okay, and someone has to invite you. And it's become like this really tight knit culture of people who run it. Okay, and so they all are. It's all kind of like, Hey, you're only inviting people that you know are going to like take it serious. Yeah, and go for it, because it's in the State Park. In the State Park has some pretty strict regulations on stuff like this, right. So the limit for a race every time they're on the race. They do it a few times of the year. They've done a thousand races so started. So do it a few times a year, while the limit is thirty five people it per race. So I guess because you got a main you gotta because they don't want people to like get lost and die. I think they don't want a thousand people running through these woods and trashing them. That's probably fair to yeah, so I think I don't know that, but that's my guess because, yeah, I guess it's you're concerned with people getting lost. I think they would want more people in there. And when you as you hear a little more about this for im thinking like search and rescue, though. Well, when you hear a little bit more about this race, you're going to realize, oh, they don't care if anyone dies. Okay, so it's invite, because part of the races that that gun they shoot in the air, they shoot. It's right forward. You know, run boys, take someone else immediately. All right, I gonna Finish Bolt in his leg. Try Harder. Yeah, so, sorry about that photo frame. Whatever his name is. So, so the registration already, like, you can't register, someone has to invite you. Yeah, and the way the invite goes is basically they go tell las, hey, this is a person that should do it. And then last unmarked letter in your mailbox. No, las emails you and basically says like registration even invited to register for the barking marathons. Email me at a very in here's here's what happens. Like, I kid you not. So like he'll email, and it's different every time that he'll email and he'll say email me at twelve five am on Christmas Eve. And if your well, is that Christmas Eve or is that Christmas morning? Twelve five am is just a very difficult time to keep straight, you know. And if you email him at twelve four, he's deleting your email, if you email at twelve six, he's deleting your email. And so bad internet that you can't do that's Rus. I live in the Appalachian Mountains and so and you had it has to be his times. It was thirteen seconds last rous. Why is everything a race? Say That has to be his time zone two. So if you're a pacific time you have to figure it out. If you're in the UK, you have to figure out what time is five Christmas morning where Las Lives in Tennessee. And so you email him and then what he does is he takes all those people who have something emails and then he essentially puts them in this big list and creates a pool and he says, okay, what we're going to do is there's thirty five racers. Thirty four of them will be veterans who have done this before. One of them is their sacrificial land. That's what he calls it. And he says this is a person that he knows for a fact. We're not going to make it so he just got so because they have to. They have to set in a letter. They have to set in a letter. So who they want to do? Saying if there's thirty four people who have done it before, yeah, there's one person who's new. Yeah, that means that the next year or whenever that happens again, you're only introducing one person to the race and every single time. Yeah, but they've done in a thousand times. There's a lot of people who are trying to come back. Well, obviously there's got to be. Yeah, it's the same thirty four people running a race every two months, and they're just like yeah, and that's a little culty where they're like, yeah, the thirty five person is our new hey, hey, new sacrificial leout. I'm photo frame R is Bobati, and we're going to murder you in the woods. So we're murder you. Yeah, no, no, that was just the guy's name. Yeah, Hi, I'm we're going to murder you, and the more I'm sorry what you say. I said I'm we're going to murder you or the woods. I get that's your nickname or that's really coming rights. Okay, so so you have to because you have to send him, you have to send them your record of all the marathons you've ran. You have to send him a basically an essay on why you think you should be selected to do the race. Okay, and your daughter selection rate. What did you say? And you have to send your dollar and sixty cent application city daughter. Oh, my dad's. I was like, your daughter has to do what? No, you have to send your application fee, which is a dollar and sixty cents. So that's the whole feet. Yeah, that's the application fee for this race. And and if he deems you worthy, he will select you to be in the race. But every time he picks one person that he knows can't finish it, he's like you're gonna lose as a sacrificial lamb. And they asked him. I saw a couple mies. They said why do you do this, like why do you pick someone that you know is it going to make it? He says, well, that's really just for my entertainment. So you're telling me I could make it in as the person that he knows is not going to win. Yeah, and prove him wrong. Are Real Underdog Story. So so you get selected, you're one of the thirty five. There is also how we got picked up by a lot of our advertisers to though, like this podcast is never gonna make it. We're just doing this for an entertainment. Yeah, and so you're one of the thirty five. And then what happens is you're not told when this race is going to happen. A couple weeks before he's like, Hey, raises happening in a couples got to be out. You just you just get the email and las is like, I guess what raises in two weeks. You's got to be in shape. Then the whole time, you get raised, ready to go, and then you get word that your race is coming up and you got to get to Tennessee. And then craziness doesn't stop. You get there and you know that the day of the race, dollars six is the entry fee. Yeah, so, I mean what they're making? Thirty, forty, forty bucks, Forty Bucks. Yeah, yeah, this guy's literally doing it just because he loves it, honestly. Okay, and so multiple times a year to yeah, and so you get you get to this, you get to the park and you're hanging out at the park. Your camp in there. The day of the day of the race, the race will begin at either eleven pm on the beginning day of the race or eleven pm the next day, any between, any time between that. When know, within twenty four hours of the Ox's any time between. Yeah, is when it's going to start. So it's so it start like too in the morning. Yeah, and so the idea for that is he wants you to be so stressed that you don't sleep, that you're going to miss the race. And so he wants you to start exhausted and lasers. Why you do this? It's pure entertainment. It's so fun. It's other race beginner seeing people. You were seeing thirty five people come out of the mountains with something to prove, and then you just make it really difficult for them to prove that they're good enough for their dad's love. Oh Man, he's like so callous about he's literally just like did he's sitting here like he's like it is people are just too comfortable, man. So I do this for the forty. Forty is a lot back here in the APPALACHIA and the APPLEATIA. So he and the way the will, the way you know the race is about to begin is an hour before the race starts, he blows a conch Shell and he's like in like if feeling see show. What does he wear? What does he look like? We were a picture of them. Yeah, I'm glad you asked freaking Appalachian Santa Claus out here. Yeah, he's got a big white beard that's also kind of brown, but it's kind of probably just smoke stains. And then use huge grandpa glasses, a red cap that says Geezer, Yep, and and flannel jacket like that's and a huge Santa. Knows a huge Santa. I mean, yeah, he's got the facial structure of a Santa Claus. Looks like Sannah. Yeah, got some big cheeks. Yep, Yep, there's a good picture of them too. Yeah, yeah, it's a good shot. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at till in podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sort to parks, like ad free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts. And producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you got to do is text till into six, six, eight hundred and sixty six. That's till in two, six, six, eight hundred sixty six. But thanks again for checking us out. So he blows his Cot Shell and then you have to go to the starting line and when he blows conch out, the race is going to begin within an hour. So it could be an hour, it could be thirty two minutes, thirteen seconds. You know, the race begins. A lot of marathon's. Most marathons begin with the firing of the gun. This marathon begins with him being like just looking around, like leading in real quick. Oh Gotcha, yeah, get out of here. Get Out of here, my little he would sacrifices my sacrificial laymbs. No, literally, how it begins is and if you jump, early shoots you. He has the gun. You think that's the starting but that's the I wanna shoot you if you all right. He's got a big MARKART board. Everyone's weird names on it and he's just we're gonna murder you, like looks like I beard it in. No, so I forgot. I forgot another detail. With the registration, you have to bring a pack of a specific camel cigarette. I can't remember. That's why he does it. That's why he does it. It's thirty five passes cigarettes. I was like, there's got to be something in it for this guy, and you know, that's how he does it too. Worries ago water runnelow on camels, tyler, send some emails. You have been selected to join the Brocoli pret your kimmel cigarette que race. Please mail a dollar and sixty sigs. Ridiculous. So, so you hear the conch Shell, do Wi? You? Wh can you give him the camels and the starting law when you when you get there, when you get in there and you get your bib, oh, he gives you. You give him the camels. So he's just over here camel cigarettes, but you camel cigarette shell. Everyone's lined up. Is like, I don't know what he sounds like. I'm going to make a guess and you can tell me if I'm right or wrong. All right, Erebo. So is that accurate? It's pretty close. It's close enough. Now, well, is it goes it Growley? I mean it's a little less growy. Honestly, kind of impressive. Okay. Anyway, it's kind of surprising. I should say surprising. I'm surprising. I would expect him to be much more grolly. Okay, he's got a little. How does it start? More high pitch. So the way it starts, the way you know the race begins, is he lights a camel cigarette. Yeah, and when you see that ember, it's time to rats it, it's time to run. And so he just threw he hand it over near the starting line. And when you see the ember of the cigarette, you gotta go. And there's a tradition where where no one, for some reason, I don't know how this started. All right, that's a good camel. As a good camel, you said. It was surprising as a good came. It's so there's a tradition that nobody lets last see them running, and so everybody just walks into the woods. Like he lights a cigarette. Everybody just walks in the woods and once they get out, overbody lets him see. Don't last Latte, you run. Listen, Hey, listen, here sacrificial lamb. All right, there's a few rules you need to know about this. All right, at Mile Thirteen it's a great soda spot. Okay, it's really good. Yeah, the main thing, though, and this is really important, don't let him see you run. What don't let him see you run? If his eyes are open, walk. It's what is it? It's like the it's like squid games were a gift. If that thing sees you move, it kills you, kills you. You don't let me see you run. Don't let him see you run. So, yeah, so you light a cigarette. Everybody just watch it. Everyone's like looking and looking over the CAN. We're out of sick. And this race, it's opes wrong one. It's huge. So you're running through and every every year it's different. So he gives you, of course it's different, every years different. And so he gives you general coordinates of the checkpoints and what you get to bring with you is a map that you figure out on your own where the checkpoints are. You get to get your own map and then be like, okay, based on these coordinates, here's where the check points are. So you make your rallies, Mile Markers. Is the way to maybe. I think their checkpoints. I think those are just the checkpoint. Okay, and each each route you so you go a full loop, a full loop, and then you have to do the next two loose backwards and then you do the next loop back the other way. Is the way it's design and so. But each checkpoint, so well, all you get is a compass and your map where you figured out all where all the checkpoints are. Right, okay, you don't know if you're right on your map about where the checkpoints are. You're just kind of guessing when you get there, when you get to the checkpoint, every check point, somewhere nearby the checkpoint there's a little bag, like a plastic bag, with a book in it. And but you need to do is you need to rip the page of your BIB number out of the book and that's how he knows you made it to every checkpoint. That's I'm not gonna lie. That's not a bad system. That's better one I thought was going to be. Yeah, is when you get there you have to read a certain page and on that page trivia question right, and if to come back and tell him to memorize the fourth word of every page and it's say that, then say that. Yeah, no, no, yeah, you just rip the page. I don't like that. The plastic bag you're showing says prison, because it's the prison checkpoint is the one by the prison, and so that's how he knew. Knows when he takes its up. It's ZIP UCK bag. Yeah, and it's duct tapes, says prison. It's duct taped to a pole. Yeah, Yepp. And so you get there and you have to get the book out, rip your page out and then keep running to the next checkpoint. And so then when you get back you're dropping all your pages to say hey, I did it, I went to all of them. Prison. But once you've done a lap, yeah, I want to be honest, I'm not sure how they keep tracking. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like you know, I've always been you've done one lap and it's like okay, you liked your PA, trust you from the next one's I'm curious if maybe they have a numbers for every lap. Maybe is my thought, because there's only thirty five of them. So like they give enough numbers where everybody in every book has enough pages. I'm surprised they have numbers. It well side like print it out. It's just spray painted on their shifts. You luck up. It's a literally your shirt, like pull your shirt up. It's what number to juice bray pay sixty five. Not even a person that I put thirty one was there's only thirty five racers, you idiot. No, because here's the thing. They have to be. They have to be doubles because books are from back. So they have to double it because if you're thirty one and I'm thirty two in that book, page is front and back. You got me on that one, the same one. Really, don't ever, don't ever do that to me. So and then you're running this race. A couple details about the race are do they have equipment or they camp? So an interesting thing about this race compared to a lot of other races is a lot of other races you'll have one of two things. You'll have a lot of checkpoints where there's water and snacks and things like that, or you'll have a everyone will be assigned like almost like a caddy that carries your gear for you. Yeah, there's neither of those. So you have to carry everything that you need for the race. So if you want to bring waters or snacks or anything, you have to have that ready for you. For you and because you're doing all these massive clins, climbs and declines, there are moments in the race where you're going to be it's going to be snowing. There's going to be a moment where it's going to be hot, like. The temperature is gonna drastically change. It could be raining, be fight like. You don't know what you're getting into, and so these people have to be prepared for all this different weather. They have to be prepared. Can you do you have a picture of what a typical runner looks like? I have a a picture of what a typical runners legs look like the end of the race. Okay, I don't want to see that. I want to see it. There's a picture of the starting line? No, so, oh my gosh. Here's the thing. The it's not a clear trail, it's a yeah, your g this is the you're just running through woods. They're running through like Briar Patches. I love the guys got all these beaver socks and the beavers wearing a boat on and his calves are just torn to shreds. Yeah, because looks like you solid. Yeah, like it's IT looks real bad. I mean the people who run this, these they look they all look like hardcore marathon runners, like they look like they run tenurets a year. But yeah, so I'm saying, like, do people bring backpacks? Then, yeah, they bring backpacks, they bring they've got all the it's. They look like they're going backpacking because they look like they've got camping gear with hey him. But I don't think the majority of them are sleeping, because I don't know what your average mile time is after running eighty miles, but my guess is it's slow and and you have a sixty mile or sixty hour time limit to do this. So I would bet that people maybe lay down for an hour or two for a nap here there, but I doubt people are sleeping through the night. I doubt it. Yeah, yeah, I really was taking an eight hour yeah, but I'm sure your body needs you to take a rest at some point. And there's no checkpoints where there's like food and stuff at a lot of places. That's another thing. He says. Even our marathons are comfortable, like they they're they calm comfort stations. But and so he says this. He is clearly not a person who runs marathons. Now, yeah, he's sitting at the starting line and his green camping chair, smoking all those camels. The whole race. That's what I'm saying. He looks like Santa Claus and he's like yeah, everything's too easy for these kids these days. I mean this is straight up like a crazy uncle who, yea, you know better. My Day we do either wear helmets. We literally did. We head buttered each other until our heads were hard. Yeah, evolution. So, yeah, so there's no there's none of those checkpoints, there's no food or drink, nothing. There's two water stations on the route and what happens is he just takes a bunch of gallon jugs of water, about fifty gallon jugs of water, and just goes to that a checkpoints and just drop some behind a tree somewhere along the root. And it's not evenly distributed. You just yeah, he's just tossing a bunch of water. And here's the thing. I saw an interview they said they said so these races, they happen year round, and they said sometimes people. I hear that sometimes people get to these water stations and they're frozen gallon jugs. And he said, yeah, live's tough sometimes. Yeah, you know, life's gonna throw a frozen Galla water at you. You know well, you you want to cushy race. Why don't you? Do you know, once you do one of these big city Roas, wife's hard sometimes. So they're frozen from previous races. Now they're frozen because they he stuck them out there and they've been out there for two days and the freezing by though. I got check and they just freeze. Yeah, so people go to this whole race and the the other catch where a lot of marathons, if you quit or if you get injured, there are crews that are like kind of patrolling the marathon to pick you up and take you back to the medical tersure starting line. They don't have that. And so if you break your ankle, and this has happened, people have broken bones on the race and they've had to hobble their way back to the starting line because everybody miles. Yeah, because there's no one there to help them. They're on their own and so they have to get themselves back and figure it out. Nobody has died on the race somehow, but someone, somebody knows someone. In one of the interviews I washed did ask they said you have no medical crew or anything that's patrolling, like you have nobody there to take care of someone like this seems like a really dangerous race and you don't have anybody there to help anyone out. And he said, yeah, well, death's hard sometimes, he said. Well, he said no, he said we do have things to help. We have a medical kid for if something goes wrong. And they said, well, what's in the medical kid? And he said he said duct tape and vasseling. All right, that's everything. Duct tape, vacillated, a frozen gown water. They rub one of those water guns on it. You'll be fine. I broke my leg, there's bone sticking out. Just Rub that F ice on it. Just put some minds. All you need advice and you'll be back at it. And I start was saying, like somebody's gonna die. I mean you got to think so. But he's been doing it for thirty years, doing it for cities. I'm surprised no one's got eaten by a bear something like this is backwoods Tennessee like I can't believe no one's gotten like. Genuinely, I can't believe anyone's gotten eaten, but I guess not. And then if you if something happens, if you quit, which most people do, or if you you get injured and you go back to the starting line. When you go you you tell him you're done. You tell the guy you're done and he's got his friend there with him. and WHO's his friend? I don't know, some guy, and he plays taps on a trumpet and it just echoes through the Appelachians and yours were as glades. Yeah, and he said, they say we're all the trail stops in memorium and he said, he said they're he's at the reason. Why put it? Not Cheese tray. What do you talk about? And so the reason for that, last said, he said. Well, he said, I mean two reasons. One, that's what they play when soldier is killed, an action, he said, to it because they tapped out. So we play taps. Okay, and so they play taps and then everyone hears that throughout the woods. And then run, the run, the rest of the race. Almost no one ever finishes and it is the most famous race in the US. If you're in Europe and the US. I think there's other races that are more famous, but yeah, name one. I don't know. More the more famous, really amazing one, the amazing race. That's pretty pretty famous. He's got another race called bigs backyard ultra. What is that one? This is another gungle Gibbert is backyard lapse. Did you do of his sakes? It down the slide. Let's go, boys. Is Half Acre backyard. It was just running back and forth. This one, I think, is open to the public and started in two thousand and eleven, and the concept of this one is you're running, I don't know, you're running a hundred miles in twenty four hours, and so you're running loose where. Every loop is whatever a hundred divided by twenty four is in your goal is to hit that in a one hour, and so every loop you're doing a full hour. So at the end of twenty four hours you're in a hundred miles, whatever that division is. So you're trying to do it's a four and a half, a four and a quarter mile loop every hour. Because if you do that and you keep that every hour, you got to run. Look Up, I'm at least like a fourteen minute pace. Yeah, for twenty four hours straight. A bunch of people do it. Is Start in two thousand and eleven and this one's had a lot of people finish. I think someone's finished every year, but they got one just but the concept of this is not it's not. It's not do you do the full hundred miles, it's if you don't do the foreign a quarter of miles in an hour. So if every hour you don't do and you're eliminated, last person standing wins. Wow, so that's some one went every year. Oh wait, no, actually, two thousand fourteen. They didn't two fourteen. Someone didn't know anyone I could do it. Chose Fourteen and my heaviest. Both runners dropped out at forty nine loops, and so you have to be the last one standing. This one was too, at the same time as a tie. So I won one. Oh, because you know any did that together too. Yeah, they were like Oh quick, you quick. The interesting thing we could never do the Barkeley. These races are just two cushy the interesting thing is in this one, and nobody's got an interesting nickname of their winners. Where the BARKELEYS? I mean you read s o of the retort the winners names. I cave dog. Yep, that's the only one that's interesting. Actually know that. I'm looking through this list. Oh, everywhere else is just like Michael's mold. The names, yeah, those are all the UK people. Tyler masterson. Yeah, cave dog was the only local to do it to flash. But yeah, so, a long story short, this guy is insane. Yeah, leas pretty incredible. Can we find a fiddle playing? tast things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by conner best. Social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.


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The Watcher of 657 Blvd – This Will Creep You Out

04-26-22

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Hey, man, what's up? Have you ever heard of the watcher of five seven boulevard? Oh, yeah, I know that guy. I'm gonna tell you, man, the watcher of six, five seven. Yeah, this happens. That's going to make your skin crawl, bro Great. What's it? Perfect is that that's the first half of the ZIP code of the town I grew up in. So I was really nervous about how you were about to in that, because Mount Vernon is six, five seven one too. Oh Man, yeah, yeah, it's close. This. This was actually recommended to us by one of our patrons, Bow Dolla, bottle, I'm not BOTTLEA, I. Yeah, people who listen to this think that we have like bots for patron supporters. They're just like, okay, Danley, May and Odella. Yeah, so he actually recommended this last night while I was planning, and I changed my plans for this one, for this is like, Oh, this is spooky. So this is a real learned it last night that this is a legitimate like I was planning out my content for today. I An't already made my decision and then he recommended this last night and I was like, Oh, yeah, we're doing that. Okay, so this is spooky. The watcher of six, five, seven, boulevard art. Yeah, before we get go the man, you look really good. You some weight. Thanks. Yeah, I had food poisons, like the worst that's ever happened. Sometimes I do that, you know, like I was reached, I was getting the end of my march and I was like, I haven't reach my goals. Why don't US consume some tainted beasts. You know, anybody got any Robbie? Anybody got any? Yeah, every morning I you know, and that's my fitness advice. If you're stro going to reach your goals. Sometimes I just pull out to raw chicken breasts. It just and I just go to town down. Oh yeah, maybe, you know, maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's Salmonilla, you know. Is it a small town? No, IT'S NEW JERSEY. It's Westfield, New Jersey. It's like a suburb of New Jersey City. This is why I don't want to buy a used home. You know, I'm about I gotta build a house just like it might be him. He's a little weird. So what a Derek do this week? If we're going at man who wasn't willing to stand for his family, were putting it outside. Things I learned last night. It was a rough man. I was I was sick, I was bad. So, yeah, thanks for saying that, though. That's going to really that's what sucks about food poisoning, isn't it? It's terrible. The people think you're healthy but you're day after you're like that he gum. Yeah, that's actually something that people in Hollywood do, like, not food poisoning, but they'll drink like me, relax. Oh Yeah, I'm like clear out. They're bout to like to dehydrate themselves and to because you, I mean you really will lose like seven pounds in a day. Interesting. I probably shouldn't say that to anybody WHO's like don't, that's not don't. Like, I know, like like you sea fighters will do stuff like that to well, Wa wait, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, if you're like you know, but people in Hollywood who have really unhealthy views of themselves. Yeah, you'll do that before big auditions or rolls, like it's it's not that good stuff, you know, and I'm one of them. We were filming and I was like, I'm just chowing down on you know right. I'm not going to say who gave me food poisoning? All right, but I'm saying goodbye fresh you know I'm talking about. I'm no more. They don't sponsors. I hope one day they do and they don't know that you said that. And so I hope that this episode, I hope that this is like a year from now, they picked us up. This episode starts with you talking about how much you love them and then you've coming and say one thing. It's really convenient. Do you hate the grocery store as much as I do? Other people? You know, that's the real motive for behind getting those growsy little flat, you know, seeing other people with their dumb little eyes and their mouths out in public and you're like once you close the holes in your face and get away from me, you know. You know I'm talking about hello friends, good to be good. Be said for doors as well. Yeah, all the knows. It's just because you don't all the delivery services. It's it's masked behind you know, safety or like convenience, but really it's just a dpat ride for anybody else. Oh my gosh. Okay, so we need to get into this six seven boulevard. The watcher of Seven Boulevard. I want to first this is a neighborhood watch guy who just took it real serious. No, I want to first mention somebody. I watched a I've watched a lot of videos since last night about this. It just hooked me. You look like you haven't slept. I haven't. I've spent all night. I pulled in all my thanks. Man, thanks. You had fun. He pulled an all nighter on the watcher, on the watcher. Yeah, I pulled it on on that or watching the watcher. And One guy brought this up that I didn't notice. It was like the ten video I've watched. I was like, how did I not notice this? But seven boulevard, like the street is called Boulevard, but it's not like something boulevard. It's just boulevard, not Boulevard Boulevard, not Boulevard Street. It's literally the street is just boulevard. Well, yeah, the street is five seven. Know the address of the street? The address of the House is seven. There's a house. Yeah, there's a house. So the House is seven and it's on the street boulevard, but it's not Boulevard Street, it's not boulevard road, it's just boulevard. Yeah, it's not. Southwest Bolivard is a small town. No, IT'S NEW JERSEY. It's Westfield, New Jersey. It's like a suburb of New Jersey City. I love when you get painted in your eyes, you look to me to save you and I just go now. No, let that onely hits you. I'm pretty sure it's a suburb sun, a suburb of it's a suburb of New York, new work, new work, New Work, New Jersey. It's a part of the New York Metro area. Okay, so, like I'm saying, like a small town, you know. Yeah, the small town. They're like that's the boulevard, that's the Strato, that the word. Yeah, in Mount Vernon we have a parkway drive. That's kind of cool. They know that's a band. That's why I brought it up to you. HM, cool. Do you think they're from the Vernon? Yeah, yeah, they're the watchers of parkway drive. All right. So is this a person who lives in this House then? So, in June two thousand and fourteen, the broadest family kind of recent moved into six, five seven boulevard home in Westfield, New Jersey. Yeah, Derek and Maria were the names of the couple. Maria, she actually grew up in Westfield and so this was like a big, like corn home. Yeah, sure, Derek was a VP of a large insurance company in Manhattan and so this is a one point three million dollar home that they purchased. Oh and Westfield at the time was the ninety nine twealthiest town in the nation, which, hey, top one hundred important, yeah, but was the thirty safest town in the nation around the same time, which also thirty. Like, here's the thing. If you say like your like top one hundred of something, you like, oh, that's a great king, but if you say you're the thirty, I don't think that's special. Like if you said you're one of the most in the top one hundred, yeah, but if you taky to me and you said my town is one of the one hundred, top one hundred safest towns in America, that, well, that's really special. But if you say my town is a thirty safest in the nation, something about that to me just sounds say, and that's really hard to say. I would say your town is the thirty famous. That's I would say. I would say I don't care I would say you come to me. What it's ten like how thirty is not important. You know. I mean probably only I on the list. How many towns in the US? As of two thousand and eighteen, there are nineteen thou, four hundred and ninety five and corporated cities, towns and villages in the US. So fourteen thou of them have a population below a hundred. No, Oh, five thou. Oh, Hey, govern hey, here's to me. If you say you're the thirty, just just say your top one hundred, top, one hundred pounds, sad on thirty. Yeah, that sounds better than top and top are dirty. Yeah, throw the top in there and then I think it's significant. If you just say you're thirty, I'm like that's not important, like that's not special to me. Yeah, so top, Hey, year in the top five. Friends here, my top thirty. Yeah, under thirty. You're in my thirty hundred thirty. Out of everyone I know that's under thirty years old, and I know a lot, you're in the top thirty. You get it. So Derek and Maria, yeah, they move into this house. They sound like rich New Jersey couple. Yeah, so the moving their house, their kids and they're they knew they were going to have to do a little bit of work on it. It's like a hundred and two year old house, right, a hundred and nine. A hundred and nine is a hundred nine year old house, and so they neither have a little more. So that like it's going to be important. I mean it'll come out, but it's not, okay, super important. But they started moving all the stuff in. A ghost thing? No, I mean maybe, I mean it could be it could be aliens. All right, you seem like you have something to say. No, I was okay, so go ahead. So they're moving all their stuff in and Derek checks the mail first day they're there, or moving day or moving day, and it flipping through the mail. It's all the typical stuff. You got bills. He's like, how do I already got bills? Day One, flipping through you know, ads like coupons, welcoming into the neighborhood, whatever. Varied Express. Yeah, Pan Express is like hey, come, come, express yourself. You're about to say express yourself a Panta Express. Yeah, everybody. They're just dress like pandas. Now, okay, I see the difference between Panda Express and then express, you know, right, like the closed store. Yeah, Oh, I thought this is Panda Express. I'm saying, you want can't you go? Hold on, where do I get the chicken limb? So they're moving in and he checks the mail and on. But one of the parcels, if you will, stood out to him because it didn't have written and just it didn't have an address on it, didn't have return address. Love this. It just on the front, just in like bold letters, like hand bold, handwrinten letters. It said the new owner. which. So he opens it? Wait, which he opens it? Right, I'm and I'm this is how this is why I don't want to buy a used home. You know, I'm sorry about I gotta build a house. I don't want. I don't want to buy a used house. All right, this is why I like my parents house. My parents built their house. You know I'm talking about there's so goes the time about it used that. Well, my bad parents built their house. There's no ghosts there. Yet home fails. Know the layout, all right. So, like, if there is a ghost, then I own few. Yeah, they're like, wait, dope, wait a minute. No, that's why I'm saying I got to build a house. There's no freaking no one's watching a new one. All right. So the letter says, how long is the letter? It's long. It says, dearest new neighbor at six, five seven boulevard, allow me to welcome to you to the neighborhood. So it sounds like, oh, hey, we got a friendly new neighbor that's welcoming me. What do? appreciated some cookies, but I'll settle for this letter. Hey. And then it goes on and it says six, five seven boulevard has been the subject of my family for decades now and as it approaches it's one hundred and ten birthday, I have been put in charge of watching and waiting for its second coming. My Grandfather Watch the house in the S. it's my second coming. Yeah, okay, he said. My grandfather watched the house in the S and my father watched it in the s. It is now my time. Do you know the history of the house? Do you know what lies within the walls of five seven boulevard? Why are you here? I will find out. And then he says, but he says I will find out. Is it since I don't like he says, do you need to fill the house with young blood. I requested. What better for me? Was your old house too small for the growing family, or was it greed to bring me your children? Once I know their names, I will call to them and draw them to me. There are hundreds and hundreds of cars that drive by six five seven Bolevard each day. Maybe I am in one. Look at all the windows you can see from six five seven boulevard. Maybe I am in one. Look at all of the mini windows on six five seven boulevard, at all the people who stroll by each day. Maybe I am one of them. Welcome, my friends, welcome, let the party begin. You know what I do? What? And I wouldn't even try to claim insurance on it, but I burn that house down. Yeah, I did. I would burn it down and I would stay on the sidewalk and I would look. I would have us like a one of those sandwich boards that said watch the flames. Maybe I am one. I would dude, I would get this guy. Maybe I've in what? Maybe I ad no, maybe I'm one of the flames. No, like this is, this is and and and my girlfriend will tell you this. Okay, if we got that letter at a house, I would burn it to the ground, lose my entire investment just to spite whoever this is, even if this is like some stupid like sophomore in high school or whatever. All right, yeah, can you imagine, like some kid runs, I'm it was. It was. He's gotta Becaus camera because he's doing it for Tick Tock. Go in there, then, go, go in the house, going and take, go, take your video. Yeah, take, do it for tick. Time for the cloud. Yeah, you'll get a lot of cloud. Dude, I will ow crazy, crazy any day. You wanna say what I'm saying? I get that letter, I burn the house down easy, episode over. So what a Derek do this week? If a minute man who wasn't world stand for his family by burning its outsid, it's total Beta male who wasn't willing to take charge and burn his house. That's the Alpha move. Turn Turn Your House to ashes in the name of masculinity. Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, that's right, that's when new episodes drop on Patreon. Patreons a way to get early access to episodes and their content and exclusive merchandise. And we're not going to stop there, because we had a private discord with our host and producers in it for less than seventeen cents a day. That's right, that's five dollars a month. You two can be a patreon supporter and not here advertisements in this freaking podcast anymore text till in the six, six eighty sixty six. Otherwise I'll come to your house, I will find you, I will destroy everything that's good in your life until we're the only thing left. Anyway, here's another advertisement. So they were conflicted after this first one. Right, this is day one. This is day one. They're conflicted after they got this letter, because they said, what if your movement stuff in? Do you just say close to you all, nothing else whatever's in there. It belongs to the House. Now, with that girl houses, the House is child. So they they, they did, they went, they went home. I gotta go to the police. The well, they went home, home and they were like, they like, what do we want to do? Is Is this legit is this a prank? Is this whatever? So they emailed the previous owners and they asked them, John and Andrea Woods, and they asked them, did you ever see anything like this, like in your time here? And they're like no, but they did say, well, there was one letter we received right before we moved, but we just threw it away because we thought it was a joke. Like, we didn't think anything of it. Let me just trashed it. They were there for twenty three years. Let me see. Nothing happened to them, though. Now they're I mean, as far as we can tell, they're fine. Yeah, but I mean I'm saying like they were like, we just threw the letter way as a dumb thing. Yeah, and so so then Marie and Derek were like, oh, it must be like some kid like trying to be funny or whatever. And so they went back to the house a couple weeks later and continued moving in and found another letter, again addressed to the to the owner, said welcome again to your new home at five seven boulevard. The workers have been busy and I've been watching you unload car fuls of your personal belongings. The dumpster is a nice touch. They're renovating that big dumpster. And what the homes? Yeah, I would leave it there forever. Oh, yeah, you like it? Yeah, I'm going to scoop the ashes of this house into it. And then he says, have they found what's in the walls yet? In time they will. And then he says six, five, seven light, they'll find it. Have they found what's in the walls yet? WHO's they? Yeah, I mean it's a constructor workers. They got workers doing runt no stuff. And so then he said six by seven boulevard is anxious for you to move in. It has been years and years since the young blood ruled the hallways of the House. Have you found all the secrets that holds yet? Will the young bud blood play in the basement? If you haven't figured this out? The young blood? He's talking about their kids. Yeah, like that's what he's is. So I think you was talking about young blood KIA in sweet field Missouri. Any think I you think? I'm like, Oh, yeah, the duelus. Now, yeah, he's talking about their kids. Said, well, the young blood play in the basement? Or they too afraid to go down there alone? I would be afraid if I were. Then it is far away from the rest of the house. If you were upstairs, you would never hear them scream. He says. Well, they sleep in the attic, or will they? Will you all sleep on the second floor? Who has the bedroom facing the street? I will know as soon as you move in. It will help me to know who is in each room. That way I can plan better. Nah, no, no, no, that's I'm burning it down now. That's as all the windows and doors and six five seven boulevard. Allow me to watch you and track you as you move throughout the house. Who Am I? I'm the watcher, and I've been in control of six five seven boulevard for the better part of two decades now. The Woods family turned it over to you. It was their time to move on and kindly sold it when I asked them too. I passed by many times a day, when I asked them to, MMM, I I passed by many times a day. Six five seven boloves part as my job, it's my life, it's my obsession, and now you two are brought us family. So now he knows their name. We yeah, it's going through their mail. I saw. I mean that's not like. Oh, how do you figure that out? He's put this on really. Yeah, welcome to Bro I would have I would have cameras and I would I would literally buy the House across the street. So he says. He says, welcome to the product of your greed. Greed is what brought you brought the past three families to six, five, seven, Bolvar, and now it has brought you to me. Have a happy moving day. You know I will be watching. Okay, this is what just makes my skid call. So this feels like the type of person. And there was a guy who went to my high school who I you know, you keep up with people on facebook. This guy slowly became he was, he was odd in high school, but he slowly became weirder. I tell you about this guy. He's the kind of dude that is like, you know, I prayed that God would supply this for me and he did. One day he posted that and this is this is real. This isn't mean like I'm not saying this to make fun of them or I'm saying like, this is the type of person that I think this could be. Yeah, is. He posted one day of him walking in the sidewalk and he posts a picture of a package of Bologny that's on the sidewalk and he said he was just praying to God for nourishment and food and then found his found alone and then was eating that boloney term out, and so it's that kind of what you know, we're like. That was one of the days where I was I oh, he's like he's lost it, you know. Yeah, and that's what this this this is either a prank that, if it's happens to me, is going to go terribly wrong for the prinkster. Yeah, because I will. I will not attack the person. I will outwin them. I unse in wout crazy. I will. I saw saying I'll out crazy you. Yeah, but or it's like a person who is legitimately like my grandfather did this, my dad. Yes, and you're like did they though? Yeah, that's creepy. You know. Is that the final letter? Know, there's a there's a few more, and it's interesting because it's like the the letters that we have, like they get sponsor like the details we have from them, because the broadest family just stopped kind of sharing what was going on. But like they're there's just continues to be creepy. So they go to the police. Yeah, so they eventually did go to the pee pulp, the police. What letter did they go to the police after this one? When I tell yeah, it was at their kids, like he's like, he's like once I know where they move and who's in one right and I can plan better yeah, they went to the police and so this is something. Yeah, I can plan better. No, that's yeah, that's a threat. Yeah, that's that's the straight up threat. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, so they they stopped bringing their kids around, they stopped moving in. They continue the renovations, but they were staying with their parents and they're gone for a long time. And so, like the letters after this like open with like where are you gone to? Six, seven of art is missing you, and he like talks about this house. I gets a person, yeah, which to give you a perspective, I do have a picture of the house, so you can see it. It's an old style, like look, that's what would be in a scary movie. It does, and and I mean he's right there, like it's got the lot willow, that's where the old lady is at night time. Yeah, right, and it's got this long driveway where the the killer just emerges from these bushes. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's I mean it's got a brick it's got a fireplace. That's obviously because you're going to need the little sticker thing right to kill the person who breaks in. Yeah, it's got all the elements for a good horror movie. Yep, yeah, but good little killer film. I would. I would have cameras through the whole thing. Yeah, and also on the outside. He didn't. Also, I would be befriend the neighbor across the street and get cameras if they're at their house. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, that's the problem. That's a little stressful for you can actresses. Yeah, you. It's got to be somebody somewhere around here. So it's like, who can I trust? Who Can I talk to? I would stake out the house at night. Yeah, I'm saying I would out crazy this person. I kind of want to do it. It's just some fourteen. We know who lives there? Now, I don't think we know, but somebody does. Oh yeah, so, Hey, tilling on location, tilling all, tell it all, dude. Let's go out crazy, a crazy okay. So here's I get excited. I get excited about it. So here'sn't have it at the police went investigating, yeah, you know, doing their police thing. We show up. Yeah, so they had a couple leads. Lead number one. They call him the Gamer, and so this was a guy who was spotted driving by once and it's girlfriend said that he played a video game called the watcher and they so she's like it might be him. He's a little weird. He's girlfriends terms of friend out of them. His girlfriend calls the police. Yeahs, like, yeah, but it's it wasn't the watcher, it was the witcher, right, actually, yeah, literally, not. Yeah, exactly. Was it? Actually, that was the way witcher. Yeah, so, like they call him for questioning and he doesn't get it. Really the witcher. It doesn't come out. Why? So it was, I guess, the Witcher, Witcher, and I just drove. I was doing that as a joke. No, yeah, that's a witch. That's hilarious. I only know that because, I mean, Ray plays it all stop. Yeah, she's all about it. Big Witcher Fan, which I need to catch up with her. She's ahead of me. anyways. Are Y'all doing it together? Y'All play in witcher together? No, but I just I want to be better at it than her. You won't, because she's watching the series, she's reading the books and she's playing the video game and she's writing letters to a family and writers letters to a family of the House in New Jersey and she's flying there to deliver them and she was to make sure it gets there. You know, I need to be sure, and I called the police. I don't know who Toco. I didn't know if I should call a can't city Police Department or a New Jersey Police Department. MMM, and be like Hey, New Jersey City, she's playing this game called the watcher. I can't believe I got that's that's hilarious. Yeah, so, so the police, but like it's not like it's not the Gamer, but then then they turn their he's like she said I was weird. That, though, you got like imagine the fight that happens out of you, like you call the police and said I was weird and I told you so much about the witcher and you I have tested about it. Watch yourn stop. All right, I gotta eat something. I found this bow. That's got to be a fight after that, though. You know, Jeez, that Bellona got that, and I legitimately thought that you were literally just like, Oh man, I need to eat something. I'm feeling a little weak right now. Like I literally thought we were going to pause it for you to eat a snack. ME. Yeah, I thought you were just like dehydrated from your food poisoning or something like. I need to get a snack. Robbie. I'm just eating it with my bar hands. I'm just like yeah, needed a snack, just the plastic. I haven't. It's not even see. One of the two Isun ages. It's half because I ate half it last night. I'm just eating Browning raw. He eats got a yet? Yeah, I did. I don't know what. I was sick. Okay, so hmm. So it's not the Gamer. It's not the Gamer, the boys. One of the police going off of all this person drove by once. Yeah, I don't know that. I'm assuming they're staking it out and looking for sups suspicious individuals. Sure that's what's tough, is like all they have is these letters and like very, very few descriptions from the letters, because we do know I would have a camera in the mailbox. We do know. That's pretty smart. We do know that his grandfather and then he's watched it. His father in the s watched it and know he's watching it. There's another weather, another letter where he talks about himself running through the halls and he was the young blood and the house. So there's the possibility that maybe he was a his parents were a previous owner somewhere on the line. But that also is a little conflicting, because it's like if his father was the watcher and he lived there. That's a little strange, right, his grandfather, so maybe it was like a family member. So called something watcher of your house. Are you the homeowner? Yeah, I want a situation where his dad just didn't want to play with him, you know, and he's like Dack, we go outside. He's I'm busy. We doing watching the house? Is that what Dad do? Yeah, my dad did it before, my dad did it before me, and you'll do it one day too. And the kid was like will yeah, it really is. Dad is drunk in the front yard facing the house because the police told him we could have throws bottles at the street anymore. Yeah, hell, the neighbor's got a restrainting orders. I'll look at through their windows too much. So now I got a I'm told that I have to face the house. It's a sad arc but it's like cheers to the house. Yeah, he's like Hey, since five seven, good to see you again. Yeah, canceled trash service. started putting it in the walls. Son, I needed to help me dig a hole in the wall. I got some more blottles. Well, we don't have any insulation, but we got a lot of course, course, bottles. So the police are in their sides to Michael Lankford. Who was did it? A guy's a crossy name. That's a guilty name. Remember. I talked about that. We've talked about this before. Yeah, there're certain names that they just in the DBM per episode. Yeah, yeah, they call. I'll say it again. I'm a I'll be a great detective. You give me a name, I'll tell you who did it. Michael Langford, guilty. He's the one. So the LANKFORD's of the cross the street. Michael lived with his mom, who is ninety three years old. Yeah, you those are his mom yeah, his mom is ninety three. He's in his s and his siblings also live there. They all still live at home with their ninety three year old mom. Yes, adults who live with their I'm just getting was trying to take a shot at our video guy. See still those parents. Hey, have you heard of tilling podcast merch? That's right, we've got a full merch store of tilling branded teas, mugs, stickers, hoodies a lot more, and we put out new designs with every episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so you got to get those while they're hot. Text tilling to six, six, eight, hundred and sixty six to get access to our exclusive merchandise. Yes, it his his mom's ninety three, and so the timeline does kind of check out, like with the age of his mom and his age. Yeah, then it's like, okay, if you play the time, I'm back. His Dad probably would be watching the house in the S and his grandfather probably would be watching the house in the twenty, with their ages, just because they've lived in this house for that long. Well, no, because you look, Michael was in his s and so you played that they lived across a street that whole time. Actually, don't know. I do know, because that's a different thing. Is If you're drunk, DAD's in the living room watching the house across the street. Dad, you're a play. I'm busy watching six, five, seven, little hard. Yeah, they could enough for a TV because they spend on their house, their money on this. Naw, that thou trying to watch the TV. And in the S it's like about little small, any gray. He's just binoculars getting there. A guy in your neighborhood that does this, though. No, that was we passed that house where the guide is long. I mean it was pecularly are my neighborhood. It was the next neighborhood over. But there was a guy literally just in his window like looking out. And here's the thing about like where he lives, like across the street is nuts, just an open field. It's nothing. He's just sitting there. He's like Bensler's in his front room, just with binoculars looking out fully lit to not an adult, to look like he's not. He's clearly a shadow of a person in the window and he's just, YEP, super self. You know, honey, what do you see? Nothing, nothing. It's just the glare of the light behind him on the window. They wouldn't be honey, it'd be son. What do you see? You know, not then, mom. That's have you tried to take it the caps off? Oh Wow, look at the world. I've never set Lee summon. That's what I'm saying, Dude. So Watch your least something. So here's the thing about the LANKFORD's right. They did DNA testing on on the letters. Okay, nobody matched in the Langford House sure. The thing, though, well, one of the things that's eerie. What the duation? They have DNA from the letters. Yeah, yeah, so there's like someone like her fingerprint was there, left a little bit of their skin on a letter, something I was I don't know. Yeah, yeah, there was something on the letter that they were able to get some DNA from. I don't know if it was like drool or what, but like someone he's writing a letter. He's just like just a salivating all he's like yeah, young blood. Did they know what's in the halls yet? Jeez. But here's the thing. The reason why Michael, the two reasons, well, three reasons why Michael was a target for them was one, lived across the street to the ages lined up. Three, he was a diagnosed schizophrenic, and so it would make a lot of sense that he would be had this fantastic story that he's coming up with and writing it in letters and dropping it in the mail across the street. Sure, and strongly believed he was the watcher of this house. Well, what's odd is they brought them in for questioning, they questioned him and then they dismissed the entiling for a family as a suspect with no explanation. They never gave a public explanation to why, but they dismissed them. He convinced the police. He said, look, I've been doing your job for this house, and they're like, Huh, for us, can't agree with that. Yeah, he's like, you know, I've been watching that house. I actually watched. Is Your patrol car rolled up with a woman who's not your wife, like cases Fiss. Yeah, none involved, is not this guy. Let's talk to that with your kid again. The which kid get? Tell everyone it's the watcher. It's a different day. Say, yeah, different game, different kid. And so the the broadnesses were like, we want to get out of here, we want to get out of this house. They listed it for sale, but no one would buy it because by now it's all over the news and right it's even making national news. I was on the today show, like people are like this is a day. Yeah, the historically peppy. Good, good morning everybody. We've got a story at a new jerseys I watched the watch exactly video and it was literally she was so excructatial videos of Docsin's, the weird dogs. Yeah, good today show. Hope you have a good day. But before you go, here's the evil that exists in the world. You're literally was. It literally was. She was so excited and then she was like check out the story from New Jersey. And then it was like Oregon. It's like in it, like the cart to organ you know, and like there's like this is big vignette around the house that like came in like it was like a holy crap, like you guys are totally make a good wife. Why? Like you neighborhood on a boulevard that doesn't have a name, you know, and it's like what is going on here? So they just just missed it for no reason, though. Yeah, so the police dismissed it and they were kind of like we can't, we can't do it, we can't figure out who this is. We don't have enough evidence. We don't have enough evidence on anyone to book them for it. And so derek hires a private investigator. That guy doesn't come up with anything he puts. He doesn't consider hiring a podcast. I mean they weren't as big back then due the guys rich. I'm kind of serious, though. I mean not anymore. Oh, so the he they put a bunch of cameras on in the House. Obviously good goods that he was trying to point it done that day one. But go, yeah, Derek's catching up and so the police thing runs dry. The the private and that would think I would have had, like, I mean like little garden gnomes with cameras, four eyes, you know, like I would have like really, I there's a part of me that wants to do that, like I one that wants the house. We need enough patron supporters to pay a mortgage on five seven, but we're going to start a six, five seven boulevard tier and it's one point three million. Well, it's just the mortgage cost, the cost of what the mortgage would be. What is that on a firs? Probably less. It's honestly, probably about the same as the Monster Chuck Tier. Yeah, so if they had a thirty year fixed mortgage, they're probably paying around seven thousand dollars a month. Okay, I mean, Hey, we're close. We're not close to that, but we love to be. If you listen to this, make sure you leave us a review and maybe check us out on Patreon, because you do get a lot more stuff, you know. Yeah, and then maybe we could buy six five seven Bolivard in the future. Yeah, and all the dopeates. Ter, five seven bolevardcom. Yeah, six, five seven boulevard and Gunballscom. So finally the bow diet broader. Yep, the broadest family was like, we're just going to list it. So they listed it for sale. Nobody in town wanted it, nobody outside of town wanted everybody. It was been in the news. Everybody know. Yeah, you can google the address and yeah, and the House isn't the first thing that pops up anymore. Yeah, and everyone's like, yeah, I don't want to move into this stoker house. Yeah. And so they had it listed for two years. No one but which. Maybe that's the now here's the trick to the housing market, right, all these prices insane? Yeah, right, but you do this to somebody's house, drive the price down and then you come in and be like I'm not afraid of a stalker. All Right, oh, so move you to watch me. I'll get him with my weloard garden home cameras. You know, you moving so confident. Suddenly you got a house for half the price. That's pretty probably shouldn't have said that. I'llowb for should he said that part out loud. That's some pretty good fraud, right. There's a good scheme, that's a good front. No even me a realtor for it. So nobody about the house. They had it for like two years. They're living with their parents because they can't afford another mortgage. So just stuff, paying the mortgage on this House that they're not living in. Oh Yeah, for sure. And so they say they're trying to figure out how can we get out of this? Like, what are we going to do? No one wants to buy it. So they come up with this plan. They said, Hey, well, demolish the house, Yep, and I would plut it into two lots and build two new houses on it. And so those two houses. Because now people are like, well, it's there's no six five seven. The guys are I can't watch two one US six five six or six five eight. GUYS ARE SPLIT WAY. They demolish the house while they went to the city and they asked historical well, they asked for a permission to tear the house down and to build new houses. It's not a historical building. So they could have done it on that. The problem is the minimum lot size in town is seventy square feed. I think it's something like that. They were it was sixty seven. They were three short on both the lots and so they asked for an exemption and they said no, it's the couldn't split it. Here's the kicker, though. Around the same time another house just down the road asked for the same thing and they got approved. So the city knows. The cities like well, we're keeping an eye on the person keeping an eye it seems pretty clear. What the fact that the police just kind of dropped it. The local private investigator couldn't find anything the city want and allow them to tear the house down. That somebody pretty up there is why is watching that house. Yeah, no way. I mean that's true theory to me. It's got to be because because you think there's be an elected official, there's too much. Like the police literally just gave up. They're like yeah, sorry, guys, like we can't figure it out, bummer. And the city was like the city made an exception for someone else with and at the other house, like they were like twenty feet off, like it wasn't like they were close. It's what I'm saying, man, with version the ground. And then these people liked try to do it with this house and I would say the seven Tho dollars rest of my life. I really would. I really would. I would have a sign out for other just says watch this and so, oh, I want to get this person. So I don't know what this is in my body right now. And but it's not fear, you don't talry about. There's this rage that's like this is someone I could take back. I could take out everything on this person. You know tell you know I'm saying. If I knew that something I owned was that precious someone else, I would destroy it. You know, saying, and I know that I saw it a crazy person right now. Well, holy cow, like so they the the broadness is a lot of the locals like we're split, like there's something that were were than support of them to there's some that were like you guys are stop, like they were like against them. They like you're making this up or something like that, like that was a hoax, which there has been a theory that it is a hoax, which I think doesn't hold a lot of weight because the theory goes because the previous owners got a letter to though they can write before they moved in. Yeah, right before the route for they moved in. They have it. When they first moved in, nobody before I had reported ever getting letters from watchers. Here's here's the the how that? Here he goes the broadnesses. They a few years before that were they were living in a three hundredzeroll home. A couple of years after they move there they moved to a seven hundredzeroll home and then they moved to this they bought for one point three and so, which they bought over asking price. So the theory is that they moved they were moving up, they're bouncing up and they were probably like he was a VP of a company, so he's probably moving up in his career as doing this. But they probably got into this house and realized it was a little more than they bargain for, right, because they not only about that house, what they had to do a bunch of renovation work. So the theory is that they came up with this watcher storyline to get a media buzz and sell the story for a movie and then that way the movie place would buy the House and they could wash their hands of it, make some profit on selling the script and walk with it. To me, this seems like a very far fetched thing for someone to say that that's a little over ourhead. And the somebody who's a v what if? Who's WHO's doing all right, and they go, man, I that sounds I would believe that if it was like honey booboo's mom, you know, yeah, yeah, that's and that's why I mean that in the seriousness, like yeah, exactly, like that type of person who had a TLC show. Yeah, made a lot of money then has then since declined and then it is like, all right, we need to figure out a different way to make more money now. But a person who's like in a successful growing career, MMM, I don't say about be like Lee like the option, here's our way out. Let's get it bought by, yeah, Netflix, which Netflix did by the story, did they? Yeah, and they're making a drama about from that family, from about that Theah, they bought it from that family, and so that add a lot of feel to that five. Yeah, but that was at that point, game just done. Who Cares? Yeah, and you got away with it. Good on you. You know, at that point it's like hey, it worked, you know work. It's one that if you're trying a scam. If you successfully pull off a scam, I'm way more impressed. I don't think it was them. The other the other one reason that this theory exists, though, is because after the after the renovation plans, what they built, the two houses, the two house plan, if you will, got shot down. A bunch of neighbors all got letters and it was addressed from the friends of the broadest family and basically telling them that they sucked for being against the broadest family. And then later Derek was like, yeah, that was me, I'm the friends of the broadest family. He said I was just really frustrated at this point, like I didn't know what to do, like I got I saw all my options and says like if I just send a letter to everybody, one of them is probably the watcher and they can hear how I feel right now and maybe back off. I don't know. It was like a last stch effort for him. And so then the theory is like, well, he's a guy writing anominous anonymous letters already. Yeah, why wouldn't? He needs to be doing that to himself. Yeah, but well, they signs up front of their house. Did they like? Do they reach the point where have you seen that house? In North Kansas City? The guy's got like the no trespassing signs on his house. It is camera which street ons on exactly, but there's a house where you pull up he's got a big like Sandwich Board on his front door that says he's got the no trespassing signs on both of his trees and one posting in his yard, like a lot of no trespassing signs, and it says no one should approach this door unless it's the male Mayn or woman. Weird. I sent him a letter last week. I'm watching you. That's all I said to watching you. So the family in two thousand and sixteen, they finally were like, well, rent it out. So they rented it out at a huge loss. They weren't able to rent it at the same value that their mortgage was. They're still paying a bunch of money on top of their rent value. Right and in their contract they had at a stipulation that was like if another letter comes, you can move out. Basically, while another letter showed up after these people moved in and I've been was an addressed to the rent he's no, it was addressed too. You're ready no, I guess. Are you ready? It was addressed to the vile and spiteful Derek and his wench of a rife Maria. Listen to what this says. It says six, five seven boulevard survived your attempted as salt and stood strong, with its army of supporters barricading its gates. My soldiers of the boulevard followed my orders to a t. They carried out their mission and save the soul of five seven boulevard with my orders. All hail the watcher. And then, and then this. This probs hand written. I know they're typed. Oh Dang. And then it says it's the only better if it was like scribbled handwriting, you know, like just insall like a little weird duddles all over it. And then it says this is just randomly he just started saying. Maybe a car accident, maybe a fire, maybe something as simple as a mild illness that never seems to go away but makes you feel sick day after day after day after day after day. Maybe the mysterious death of a pet. Loved one suddenly die. Planes and cars and bicycles crash, bones break, you are despised by the House and the watcher one burn this place to the ground the tenants. The tenants read this letter, they're like I will stay. No, they did not leave. They had the option. They were like no, yeah, we're fine. Well then that's the other thing too. Is it a bit of a confirmation that it wouldn't be? Derek then is like, why would you have that in a contract, that the renter could leave? MMM, if you're at least you know less and lessening your losses a little bit. Yep. So in two thousand and Nineteen, lifetime release a movie about it called the watcher. They later sold it also to Netflix and Netflix is producing a drama series about it. In July of two thousand and nineteen they also sold the house, doing a drama series, not a documentary. Yeah, drama series, okay. And then in two thousand and nineteen they sold it for nine hundred fifty thousand dollars. So pretty significant loss, almost a half million loss, and the whole investigation. There's no trail and no one knows who did it, where it came from. And after they moved out there's been the new family hasn't reported anything about a watcher or anything like that. But the thing that you have to keep in mind is that the woods said they saw nothing, and the watcher said that the woods told them to leave and then they moved, and so none of the watcher told the woods to leave. Yeah, that what I said. Dagon them sort the woods though, the watcher. Yeah, the Washer told the woods to leave and then they left. And so the watcher apparently had been directing the woods and the broadnesses didn't take the same direction that the woods take. took. In theory, if his story line is true, the watcher storylines true, the woods are lying and they were being directed by the watch of the whole time. The broad uses didn't derict, it didn't give into the watchers leadership, and then they moved out. And now this new couple is new couples like we submit to the watcher. Where are be? All on the watcher? That's where I'm saying, dude, I just Lillian, I purchase land and you want to commit me like that, I will win. All hail the watcher. You know what I would do? I burn the house down and I'd run from mayor. Run from me. Oh Yeah, I'm the new mayor. I want to run this city. I'm watching the whole team. You know what I would do in minute? Domain the whole street, one of you. Well, what if it's like a backyard neighbor? It's not even on Boulevard. Like, what if it's like the whole place? Yeah, it's about to be a strip mall putting in a Walmart. Yeah, watch that. Yeah, how let you watch. And then the Walmart is like, I'm the watcher, a woman. Now you're a crazy person. Have Fun with that. I would call it man, but that is not of my house and for whatever reason I've got this desire to ruin this person's life, you know, saying like I know that I'm I'm crazy, but holy cow. Yeah, so this guy is our girl as a psychopath. That who's writing these letters. I'm fairly convinced that is someone that has some sort of legal cloud in the town. Sure, but the new tenants haven't received any letters, or earlier least they have, haven't they haven't expressed that they've received me. They haven't told anybody so either. They are under the control of the watcher. Hail the watcher from now on. If we ever say the watcher, I don't know why we would ever again but from now on I just want to of both all hal the watcher. Yeah, Hey, and thank you for watching. Oh, here, I'm gonna respond to every mean youtube comment that way. Give you have that every single one of these times too. The tartaria people, with these people, were like Youtube Fools, laugh like little girls, all hail the watcher, whatever, Dude, Oh man, can we get in touch with the current owners? We should try to in try, we could try. I mean, here's the thing. As far as I could find, I couldn't find anybody who got an interview with them. Calm, they're private investigator. Well, interbody. Haven't been reached out to by the things that I learned last night. PODCAST. That's what they've been waiting on. They've been waiting on a midtier podcast to reach out to him. Like who? They don't called today show that tell me when. Now they're too giddy. This is serious. We need a serious podcast. Yeah, to talk about the watcher. All, a little watcher man. So that's why I'm saying is, if that's my property. Yeah, I would. I would have cameras up. Hmm, I would, and this would. I would try to first I would spend a couple months trying to figure out who it was. If I kept getting letters, I would just burn into the ground. Yeah, and I would. I would be in the front yard watching it burned and I would admit to arson. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you just say, yeah, I did it, I'm just demolish it's not historic. I would demolish it, and I would and I will be outside with the back, with the back. Oh, it's like, you know, tearing it down. Oh, yeah, yeah, you might as well, because it's like, I mean, if you can't sell it, and I'd be out front just like a float on a parade. Hey, a neighbors tearing down. Say, you know, what's annoying is that? That makes you look insane. All Right, yes, I'm saying out front of this house, waven and all the neighbors are like heat. Tore down that. He tore out his own house toward his house. A little stupid break my high school son did. That's crazy. Anybody Seem Michael? Yeah, Oh, he's playing the watcher. Yeah, all Hail Wat sure. Anyway, I'm saying. I that makes me so angry. I think camera set up. 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L Ron Hubbard – The Story of The Church of Scientology

04-19-22

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Hey Man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Lord Zen? You this sounds like an alien thing. I mean it's well, I guess. Be Honest, I didn't think about this. It was happened last time. I didn't think about this. I was like, Oh, yeah, this is another alien for you episode. I guess technically there are some alien okay. So, but here's the thing. Lord Z do ze, new Ze, new okay. I was like, I thought would see do that's where I thought. I thought it was someone at like theos Arg's. Just out here. Been like, I'm Lord seed. Yeah, watch me rip this rail and they do the whole like the water shoot straight up in the back of it. What it's called? Yeah, what about the space opera and the wall of fire? Space Opera, and yeah, wall of fire. Yeah, have you ever heard of that? Well, try this, theatan. What Thetan? Okay, okay, well, or maybe Theaytan, theayton. It might be Phaeton. What about dianetics? Phaeton. Yeah, Phaeton, fytan. Really, what? Phaeton? Is that a thing? No, it just sounds like someone the lisp. You Better Watch them without for the faith dark Lord Theyton. Please let me go to faith. Do Opera it's straights. It is Lord C do. We can't say C to is. We do. Yeah, my name is Lord Thee Doo. I love Theayton. What about dynetics, your herd dynamics, dianetics? What is this? What are we doing? So you or you heard to see you work. What are we do? Is the scientology? It's all, Ron Hubbard. We're doing alron huff really, yes, we are. Oh my God, I just wished a bunch of weird stuff from scientology and it sounded parting a scientology of a scientology. It looks like one of us is gonna have to get divorce and a gon be me. None of his books are the kind of books where, like, you look back and say that was a hit. He moves to city Kansas. Feels like whenever the pilots give you those wigs on so offthwest flight. Everyone at this college was aliens, also because it's weird and if you if it was public and everyone would be like this is stupid. Things I learned last night. Dianetics sounded familiar to me. Speaking of Scietology, though, I opened for polly shore this weekend from the Jersey Shore. Guys. That's what every idiot says. Now, know all the MOMS who listened to our podcast knew who polly shore is. You know who Poli Short is? No, you do, I know. Well, he's really big the s. He was a he made MTV. W int you. Anyway, these whatever. So open, probably short, and one of the funny bits that he had in the show was that he tried to join scientology but they were like no thanks. He's like, come on, it's pretty fun it's pretty funny. Yeah, let's go. When did you open for him? This weekend at the Improv? Ever? Know that was this weekend. Yeah, thanks for the invite, man, you wouldn't have come up. Was Forty minutes from your house. You're right, I want to have yeah, and I would like to be invited. Invited. Yeah, okay, that's the plastic. So I'm very curious about scientology people because they have put up this stupid, gigantic sign in downtown Kansas City and ruined our skyline. I thought, I think it's kind of Nice. No, it's not, like I don't like that it's a scientology, but I think it's a nice looking sign. Yeah, the FOS. Fine, what do you try about? You Mad squad that they chose a good thing. I'm like, man, I wish they would have done comic sayings. I wish they would have put comic fans, but I don't like that it's downtown monster. I don't like that it's in the skyline. Now, I mean it's first of all, it's not in the skyline. It's in midtown. That's outside the skyline. Second of all, it looks good, like it's a good looking sign. Are you a fan? I'm not a fan. I just think that's a good sign. Okay, like, that's a goodlooking sign. All right, look of all, but anyways, yeah, good goods like a good sign, like not a like like a cook. A good sign. Yeah, we'll tell our discord members what that comedy special is. Eventually will. So this episode we're going to focus a little more on l Ron Hubbard. Okay, it's gonna cover a lot of scientology. You'll understand a lot about it by the end of this. Okay, but l Ron, his name is l let her, L for Lafayette, Ron for Ronald Hubbard. Oh, I thought Oh ron was one name. So I'm already learning stuff. Yeah, so it's Laffie at Ronald Hubbard. Everyone made fun of him for being named Lafayet. So we started going by L Ron, which makes sense. And also lron sounds kind of like ron stable. It sounds mystic, it sounds like you're inventing every I'm not saying l Ron Hubbard is cool. I'm saying l the name. L Ron. Yeah, Bird. That's why I go by J RON now. So he he was born in one thousand nine hundred and eleven in Nebraska and then some life happened. Went to college. Didn't go well in college. Where do you go to college? Because its scientology based in Los Angeles. Well, sword, okay. He went to the George Washington University's School of Engineering, because it's dad really wanted them together, and one thousand nine hundred and thirty, but he was a pretty crappy student and so he dropped out in one thousand nine hundred and thirty two, okay, and decided to take a trip to the Caribbean. Okay, he would have Caribbean because he wanted to do Red Cross work. On the way there, though, he was like hey, I hear there's a lot of gold down here. So he just found another island or something. Started looking for gold. Didn't find anything. Do you look for gold these keep your eyes peeled? Yeah, like, what's the tactic? You don't mind that stuff right here. Gold to go to gold, to gold, to gold. The goalie like the pig suey it is. Dear Satan, please help me find some work. What do you got to do? I don't know. He just looked for gold for a little bit, didn't find any, got to got to Puerto Rico, did some red cost work, found out charity wasn't for him. And then we get you a dave rames he headset. You know, you're seen Dave rameses radio show now and he wears big ears and I'm like it's a Britney spears. Mike's yeah, yeah, but it's not a thing. It's not thin like Brittany spears. That's like, Oh yeah, no, it's like a full like macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Yeah, thing, like can you think I moved my crane arm too much? Yeah, but yours, or at least some debut forty over here. You're hearing that one a lot, right, I don't. I never hear it in the episode. Alex always cuts it out. I don't think you cuts it out. I don't think I've ever heard you cut it out. I don't think I've ever heard listening to the episode, like actually listen to me back, I hear, but not these are out yet. Usually he is live so far away from the microphone and thing matter. But then here we are. Okay, whatever, I'm sorry. So he moves to DC Kay, Washington, because he was like there's gold there. Yeah, DC Washington. Yeah, just wanted to clarify. Yeah, yeah, he moves to city Kansas. and Are you talking about? It was the DC Washington. Yeah, found out there's a lot of gold in Fort Knox. Is Fort Knox in Washington? Where's Fort Knox? Don't ask me questions. This is not my job. I didn't come prepare with answers and I also don't have a computer in front of me. Where is Fort Knox? Oh, it's Kentucky. Fort Knox, Kentucky. Okay, let un down obvious. So he went to DC and he started a writing career where he wrote science fiction and he actually the majority of this early phase of his career. We Yours is one thousand nine thirty three. Okay. He started writing short twenty two years old. Yeah, started writing short stories that were landing in like little pulp fiction magazines, right sure, and eventually got a deal to write his first like novel and started just writing an insane amount of science fiction novels. Okay, to the point where he became the most published author of all time. He's got like six hundred and seventy so odd novels to his name, like it's bonkers really. Yeah, he would wrote so much science fiction and then plagiarize any of it? I don't think so. I mean to put out that many books. How how big are these books? The page or two? I don't know. I mean I'm assuming like at least the hundred ish page is like to be a novel like that is a crazy amount of stuff. Yeah, how long of a span was this he's putting I mean over the course of his life, he put out like six hundred and seventy, but still, let's say that he did it till he was in his wanity. I don't know who I want to get too far at head us. He died at seventy four, I think so. It's what I'm saying. He starts writing a point two. He that's fifty something years right. That is ten books a year. Yeah, yeah, it's a bonkers amount of writing. He did like an absolutely. It's like here's my book for this month. Yeah, a lot of people have a book of a month club they can't even keep up with and that's just them reading somebody else's yeah, and he wrote, he wrote them and he was like I'm going to start a book of the month club where I just write, write, write a book each month, every month. At a certain point you got to start recycling, though. Maybe I don't know. I mean here's the thing. None of his books are classics, like, none of his books on the Book What Are you? Books are good, I mean know the like. None of his books are the kind of books where like you look back and say that was a hit, like they're all books. I think he did the math. I think he said he was making a penny a word. Oh Wow. So, I mean I don't know how many words are in a typical novel, but I know like the average like college world page is like three hundred words. So he would get what, three dollars a page, which I don't know, about an hour of work to do three to four pages. So he's making like ten bucks an hour, which back then is probably pretty good. I don't know. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, so he starts getting him published like he's got it. He's not just putting he's just not like here's my book. Yeah, he's got a decent running career, but he he's not making a ton of money off of it. Sure, and so he gets married. He meets this woman by the name of Margaret Pauline. Were Free Time. That's what I'm saying. Go ahead. How do you have time for anything else? So he marries this woman. He's writing for a few years. There they've got their young marriage or whatever I'm going on, you know, like right love. Well, then he has his dental procedure in one thousand nine hundred and thirty eight and he has like an allergic reaction to like a drug that they used in the procedure. Okay, and it's like a near death experience for him. And supposedly in this neardeath experience, he composes this manuscript that never got published, but he has a title for it. He calls it the one command or. It's a separate title, Ice Caliber. So it's to got it one command or axe calbert never publish this but he said that this manuscript, he talks about it to say that this manuscript has more influential power, and then the Bible. He says it could change the world as we know it. Yeah, and he was high on dental meds. Yeah, he got he got his wisdom teeth out and most people, as my own tiewriter, some ginger rail. He's just yeah. So He pens this manuscript that he's like this is gonna change the world as we know it, like it's life changing. Okay, deal. And so he starts kind of shopping around, exploring this idea, but he's not publishing it's kind of explain this idea. Still writing his books. It's kind of like this thing that's on us. It's a side project, right. Yeah, like he's he's my side project is but one rule of life that I want everyone to live by. My side project is the new Bible. Yeah, my side project is revolutionary change to the world. MMMMM. But yeah, it's just a hobby you do in your free time. Yeah, so dating his wife. so He's writing books. He takes a trip to Alaska, Explores Alaska and it's like formative for him or whatever. He sees the world in a new light after it. Okay, he's got his little side project with his ex caliber manuscript, and then the war starts because it is late s so he enlists while he tries to join the navy and they say we don't want you know. Thank you. And then he tries again when the war gets a little further in and they're like a we need he's like hey, yeah, things gotten pretty out of hand. Yeah, and then they're like okay, fine, and so he somehow works his way up. So he works his way to a lieutenant junior grade, which I don't understand. That feels a lot liked white street, being the assistant. Yeah, and Assistant to the lieutenant junior lieutenant. This ship feels like whenever the pilots give you those wigs on this ofuthless flight. Yeah, you're a lieutenant, your great good, thank you for all you've done. It's like sitting in the emergency exit row, or it's like you have a responsibility, but like only if things get really bad. That's a good example. That's not working your way up, that's just sit in the right scene. All right. So how bard was sent on what they called submarine chaser training. Okay, and so he was commanding a ship that was supposed to be chasing submarines, right, yeah, off the coast of San Diego, and they're, you know, constantly all day swomen, right, they're just trying, like you guy, up your speed if you're gonna be able to chase the submarines. When Faster Hubboard? Yeah, yeah, that was before they genetically modified them and got people of Michael Phelps, you know, crazy as submarines saying. Also, this guy wrote that many books and is also taking this much time in the military. Yeah, he did take a break to do the military thing because the war, I mean, everybody took a break. Well, I know, but that's what I'm saying. Like that makes the number even crazier. Yeah, it really is. I can get past that. So he he's doing this training and off the coast of San Diego he encounters what they believe is an axis submarine off the coast of San Diego. So he engages this submarine and he leads his ship and they engage a submarine. For Sixty eight hours they're firing on this submarine. So a long conflict, only to realize that it was just a magnetic deposit on the sea floor, not a submarine, just another shooting back. Yeah, I keep flating, it's still yeah, it's a real Kelly Hopkinsville encounter. Sir. We've hit this thing about a hundred times in the last four daybuting no mercy. So that that kind of put a check on the Navy's heart. They were like, I don't know if this guy's fit for the navy. We didn't think he was. Originally, originally with the reason they cut him out. They said this is their official statement. They said this officer is not satisfactory for independent duty assignment. He is Garu Lewis much what that means and tries to give impressions of his importance. He also seems to think he is has unusual ability and most lines these characteristics indicate he will require close supervision for satisfactory rep performance and of any intelligence duty. So basically interesting, he's really full of himself and he's not very good at anything. Well, yeah, I mean he's writing a book called the one come in then, so I wouldn't call him humble, Humble Hubbard. So later on another training exercise, he's in the Gulf and he shoots Mexican ship down, which was an ally of the US, pretty sure still is, shoot some Mexican ship down and then they were like yeah, you gotta go, man, you can't be a part of this. Yeah, and so we draw the line. Yeah, so he gets he gets at home. They actually hospital, hospitalize them for some minor injuries, and then he moves back to la where he tries to pick up another his writing career from where he left off. What was his wife doing this whole time? He still married to that lad? Yeah, I assume. Yeah, I assume. And so now they're in loss. Yeah, he's still married to her. They move to La and while he's in La he's writing again, still kind of in the back of his head being like remember that thing I wrote that like is going to change the world, but not like pursuing is just like, man, that was a cool thing I wrote. Right, yeah, it's a good one sentence. Really Sense. Was this wild teams the world. That was this. That's a good idea. Back Down, I a. So he moves to La and while he's in La he makes friends with a muster Crowley and Jack Parsons. Right, two episodes we've done in the past. Go back in the stove. If you haven't and they do some weird stuff together, most notably of which all Ron Hubbard steals are gets twentyzero dollars. Was a twenty or forty? It's Twentyzero from Jack Parsons and takes his wife. Yeah, and takes his wife. The interests saying was he divorced from the other girl? Yeah, the interesting thing that I didn't know when we did Jack Parson's was Lron was not divorced. WHO's still married to his wife. So took this woman and legally marries her, because apparently they didn't check back then. They were just like all, you want to get married, cool, you're not married to anybody else, are you? I don't think they check now. They just want to verify. Do they are not married to anybody? Nobody asked me. I was just a you guys are both married and nobody anybody ask I have a feeling like the county would probably look at the records because polygamy is illegal. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they would check the county records and say you did isn't look at your hand ring already. They the what they trade in them on. Is that? I check their fingers. He can I see your left hand and you just have to go like a shark ate it. How insensitive of you to ask where are you gonna put your ring then? I don't know. I'm will wear a bracelet on my left arm. You know when you go to a water park and they give it a little spanning bracelet on the locker key. You know, here's also were there. Yeah, we're gonna do that. A little heart on it. Yeah, with a little diamond at the top. Yeah, surprised you don't recognize me from the SACER for a movie. I'm surprised you don't recognize before by other three marriages. I was here earlier this week. I'm the person with one hand and I'm getting married again. Remember what I buried the other person. Really sorry about your first marriage. Why? Why? It's going great, questioning lesually, she looks like a two thousand and sevens email. Look like forty bracelets on her for or a two thousand and ten evangelist. We know just these Bible verses. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, so we were like this, your hand drend getting eat by Sharker is it was the circulation cut off by all those brakes. It just fell off. Oh Wow, love a good Bethany Hamilton joke. That's great. The answer question. I don't know if anybody checks. I assume that when they file they check. Yeah, you do, but back then, but back then they didn't have any conveyor said, no one was. Look, do you have a wife already? Okay, so he's just this box to confirm not married. He married to he how many women did he to marry? Well, he married her and then his wife found out and she's like, wait a second, you married another person. Like he's like, I'm right here, I not tell you. I texted you. I texted you after lunch. Read it now, look at you. Said you sit back a gift. Oh, I was responded to her other text. I must have missed the part where you got married to somebody else. L Ron, you told me to go to Jack Parson's House and Terry Sarah Part Mary and Mary says don't know, it is out of correct I said, Carrie, oh, that doesn't make sense either, though. Yeah, carry her back home. It was an old way of saying give her a ride. I want to get tea with her this afternoon. Okay, okay, carry her over to the tea place. Harry her over, carry her, got it, but you married her. Well, I was just trying to do what you asked. Looks like one of us is gonna have to get divorce. It Ain't gonna be me, it's gonna be you, either way. Urn. So she leaves him because he married somebody else, paull. He's like, I'm not, it's a good reason. Yeah, poll he's like, I'm leaving. So she does. Oh, polly, I. Finally, we're tire by paully shore for a second because we mentioned him earlier. I was like, polly was leaving. No, Paully's his first wife. Have you are a loved one and been diagnosed with too many advertisements during the till and podcast? Have we got good news for you? Our patrons enjoy ad free experience and they get early access to content, behind the scenes stuff, exclusive merchandise and access to a private discord channel. Will. We all are in it, our producers and the hosts. So if you'd like to be a patron today and solve that problem, why don't you text tilling to six, six, eight and sixty six. Yeah, so she was like I'm out. Sarah's a second wife. polly leaves and then he goes to Florida to start this boating company. Yeah, all right, with Jack. First Bunches start made, starts making a bunch of boats. Him and Sarah Pretty big friends because you know the whole culty thing. They're both really into culty stuff. Yeah, are they still in touch with Alis for crowd during this time? I believe so. They already had like colty roots to them. Yeah. Yeah. And so he hasn't done anything scientology related yet? No, no, no, yes, this is the late S. there's no, no, no hint of scientology and him. But how did that? How will? How was he rich before? was He rich? No, not. So the money that he got from Jack Parsons was his first like investment stuff of yeah, that was his first like my serious sum of money, right, I mean he was. He was a struggling he thought it was for those because Twentyzero dollars when that exchange happened, was about four hundredzero man. Yeah. Yeah, so its a very significant some of money that he came across, especially considered compared to what he had been making his whole life writing little books. But he's still doing that. He's still write a little books. He in making boats yeah, he makes this little yacht thing and just drives it around and does stuff with it. I don't know whatever you do when you have a voting company and then two things too interesting things happen. In this era the L S, she won for things to too interesting, things to thetans. So here's this is. So he starts working with this guy who's got a yacht, right, okay, and the guy reaches out to the VA and as like hey, we need to get this guy out. Ron Hubbard like psychiatric treatment. He rests the VA and I guess he had been trying for a couple years to get this guy like psychiatric help and the Va is just kind of ignoring all of his please and he's like no, for Real, this guy's weird. Yeah, he's like. He's like this guy's insane. He needs he needs help, and the VA's kind of ignoring all of his attempts. Meanwhile, our on Hubbard puts together his theory he calls dianetics, and so dynetics is a psychology book that he writes. It's his first published work of nonfiction. Okay, and the idea is that every physical ailment in your body is related to a psychological state, like an emotion. And so if you have a toothache, yeah, then it's because you have some sort of negative emotion, and if you can do away with that negative emotion, you'll do away with that physical ailment as well. Does the physical is a manifestation of your emotional state exactly. And so he started creating the system. He called them audits, and so you audit your memories, you audit your feelings, you audit your emotions and wipe away all the bad. And so if you have bad memories, you're wiping away the bad memories. You have bad emotions, you're wiping away the bad emotions. And that, I'll make you physically healthy. And in doing it, it as you as you practice this and you get better at it, you're supposed to be able to get yourself to a level that he calls clear. And so that's where all the bad is gone and you're clearly clear. And okay, what significant about it is, one, you're physically super healthy, but to your mind is in a much stronger state. So you're supposed to be able, sure, to have like a photographic memory at this state and have all these like almost like I want to say supernaturalilities? Is He writing like from the perspective that he has reached? Clear, yes, yes, interesting, and and he he he. It's not like supernatural abilities, but it's like you have a really high IQ. Is Like your brain is bigger than everybody else's. Is He literally says your brain is two sizes too big for your skull and you're gonna to get a new skull and I can sell it to you. He doesn't say that. Yeah, but space. That's he actually talk about brain growth, though. Now he doesn't, but he's saying. He's actually saying you're unlocking more parts of your brain that you're not using. Okay. And so he goes and he buys a fake doctorate from some doctor farm. Yeah, yeah, you a doctorate farm. Is that what you just said? Yeah, this is a real thing. They're like scam organizations that pretend to be universities and they make this fake name. They go out and they get a legal like, they get legally certified as an education place, and then you just go you pay x amount of dollars to get a degree, but you don't have to do any course work. They print it for you and but it's it's all. I they get caught all the time. Start to keep opertivation. Yeah, exactly. And so he went. He bought a fake PhD. Is In this is a serious question. This isn't like a dig or anything like that. Is that what trump university was? I don't we know. Maybe, probably, okay, I don't want to say probably, maybe. Okay, I that was really no question. It's not a dig up. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. But so he goes and he starts traveling around the world, yeah, doing these speaking engagements, presenting this idea, sure, as if he is a psychiatrist with a PhD and all this experience and all this clinical experience and trying to get Sol forged, yeah, and trying to get other psychiatrists to buy into it and buy his book dynamics. Okay, and so it's says scam. It's a fullblown giant scam. Yeah, to play well at all. Crumbled in California one year, I think it was like forty nine, when he was doing one of these speeches. He called a woman up and she was supposed to have gone through all the clear and whatever and she reached a level clear and then she was supposed to have a photographic members she was going to show or some flash cards and then she was going to go through the stack and say exactly, like in order, what everything in the stack was. She couldn't do it. And then he turned around. He's like, well, she'll be able to remember the color of my tie. And he turned around and he's like what colors my tie and she's like blue, and it's red. And everybody just walked out on them, like they were just like, okay, this guy's full of it, like it's yeah, this is bogus. And so we're starts to spread that this Hubbard Guy, this dieis book, is bogus, like there's nothing to it, because it was. For a second. The psychiatric commedia was like, is this legit? Like this guy's got a degree, like he's sure got the book, he's got all this experience and like they were resclaiming results. Yeah, and so they were like maybe there's something to that. And then news came out about this meeting where he tried to show and everyone's like, oh no, yeah, this guy, yeah, full of it. Yeah, it's like. So he becomes convinced to that and okay, so he becomes convinced that Psyche Psychiatrists are aliens who've been sent to Earth to tear down the dionetics system and because dionetics was here to save humanity. And so he says psychiatrists are aliens and they're trying to destroy our health as a race, and they're doing this by taking away dinex form us, because they know it'll it'll save our entire race. I mean, that's a logical step, you know, that means the most sensible next step for this scenario. So he is. How about that? When people walk out of my comedy shows, I'm like, which happens a lot every comedy show, I walk a whole crowd. I started showing these they they all stand up in unison, they walk out and I'm screaming out, like what colors my tie? You know, aliens. Yeah, and I go and then I spread the word. I go. Listen, I in freaking beaver Dam Wisconsin. Okay, everyone at this college is aliens. Okay, and they are any time anyone fun follows me on social media. Aliens. Yeah, let's be must be an alien. Must Be. So he starts the Dionetics Foundation, obviously, and where he's like, he's like Dud's, which he's too parting to one, trying to spread dinetics because it's like hey, this is for the health and mental and physical health of everyone in the world and to to stop the Lizard people take over. Yeah, he's that's pretty accurate. It sounds like he could use some dianetics. So he he, this is classic. Like he did an audit of himself or whatever he calls it. Yeah, this goes the problem can't be me. Yeah, it's not me, it's got to be someone else. So Hubbard kind of he was always kind of crazy, obviously, but this is where he goes just absolutely off the Roos, insane. Yeah, absolutely insane. And so so things with him and Sarah Start going and this is pretty really good at these. Let me double check. Yeah, this is early s and so the him and his relationship with Sarah starts kind of getting pretty pretty negative sham eventually the point where she walks out on him and then he like you're an alien. Well, he chases her down and kidnaps her and ties her up and lockster in his basement. Is that real? Yes, but what he's like? He's like the aliens are trying to take you, and so she recommends him what? She recommends him to get like psychological like testing after this whole event. From who? She's in a basement. He looks her out. Yeah, he lets her out. Obviously, like like they don't know. I don't know what happened after. You can't break up with me. That's the aliens trying to get to you. Yeah, pretty, pretty rough. And so what a psychiatrist said, that this man is dangerous and should not be allowed to be base. I don't even know the rest of the story at but just based solely where we're at now and then, knowing that there's scientology places all over the country, I'm scared and fascinated for how this goes. Yeah, so, anyways, I'm see Sarah Leaves Him, says that he's insane. He gets like the she gets away, that she gets away and she leaves him. They get a divorce, she gets abducted. I'm start to it and I was trying to think of like a levitated word or whatever. She just gets, you know, she just takes ends. Yeah, it becomes clear. Yeah, so he marries a new girl. It's the big side where you're like, so he marries somebody else. There is a new girl and he founds the Church of Scientology and he what year is this that he founds and made? Fifty three, four hundred and fifty four, Kay. And so five years after he's walked out on, yeah, by all these psychologists. Yes, like this is a new thing. Yeah, and so he realizes what it. What's he openly says. He says you can't become a millionaire. This is an exact quote. So you can't become a millionaire by writing books for a dollar a word. He says you can, but you can become a millionaire by starting a religion. That's a quote. That's an that's a like exact quote. He's straight up said that. And so like, well, the aliens said he said that. What? I'm just so curious how this ends up with people in Kands to the hating me a pamphlet outside a yard house the other night. What seems likely is that he he tried to become a world renowned psychologist for this new idea, dinet right, and nobody believed him. His Foundation came under some pretty serious legal problems because it was fraud. But if you disguise it as a religion, it becomes I can believe what I want. Yeah, it's untouchable because now you don't have to be a license therapist. Your religious therapy can be whatever you want it to be because you're a religion. And and then in your tax system is totally different, like he wasn't he was in some serious tax trouble. So you just declared it a religion to dodge a bunch of legal problems. And he realized, coincidentally, that making it a belief system instead of an like intellectual academic thing, more people were willing to accept it than the academics were got it, and so he was able to find a lot of people, especially like his culty friends, to buy into this. Yeah, in those early days. And so he bought this little house in Washington DC and it's now called the Lroun how bird museum. so He's got his own museum in DC, which is interesting. But it was the Academy of Scientology. That's where it all started. Okay. So he targeted influential and important people to kind of believe this system and he promised them this clear situation where you saying, I follow this system, you go through this, you can become clear and you'll be more physically healthy, you'll be more mentally and emotionally healthy than you've ever been in your life. All that'll cost you as a hundred thousand dollars to go through the program. Okay, and so you pay to go through the program. Will Walk you through all the steps. And so we found these ultra rich people who were depressed and took advantage of them at a low point in their life and promise them clarity and health and and happiness. But I think if you find someone in that kind of state, right and a depressive state, any kind of structure will provide more clarity. Yeah, but people in those and those states are are vulnerable. That's where I'm saying. Is that is it doesn't have to be the right structure. Yeah, yeah, but it's the same kind of thing of like this person changed our life because they told me to make my bed every morning. Yeah, yeah, you know, and never since I've done it, I've just had so much more clarity and peace. And you're like, well, yeah, but I mean you just use had a discipline and you stuck with it. That's that's that's general wisdom. Yeah, yeah, so, the the the process was get a bunch of really influential people in okay, and he was clever about it because it wasn't a most world religions. If you're going to believe in that world religion, you're denying all other world religions right here. This is the one. Scientology is non exclusive. You can be a Christian and still be a scientologist. You can be a Hindu and still be a scientologist, because you're not for the scientologist. Your definition of the spiritual world and of God. It can come from anywhere. Okay, it is. It's more of the way of life and the commands of how to be a human come from scientology. The spiritual can come from somewhere else, okay. And so he made it to where it's like you can continue be any Graham guy. My wrong. Oh, I mean, yeah, yeah, that's kind of you kind of got all right, well, the road back to you, so go ahead. Yeah. So, anyways, a lot of people bought into it and then l Ron Hubbard got super rich off of this. Obviously people are pen spending hundreds of thousand does of dollars to ascend to this claire at this level of clarity. So I guess, I guess we can dive into scientology itself real quick. So in Scientology is obviously a very guarded religion. They don't want you to know everything. Yeah, because you got to pay. Yeah, you gotta spend the money to know everything. Also, because it's weird and if you if it was public, then everyone would be like this is stupid. But if they get your claus in you, then they can trick and they I mean they are, they're pretty aggressive. Yeah, so, especially, that's why they're in midtown, is that they wrote people in from power and light. Yeah, they know exactly, like they know exactly the type of people to target. Like they have this system the rich who are in vulnerable places and they know exactly how to twist them and gas l item and push them the direction they want to push them. It's I mean it's a very well oiled system. Yeah, very bad system, but it's well oiled and built to get them the soul, the conclusion that they want out of people. And the whole concept is everybody has like a level. So you enter in and you got to do all these audits and reach your clarity and as you go through, they have all these levels and I think they're like Otwe two, three, four, five, six, and of them whatever, eight. I think eight is the top. Okay, and I've clarity. No. So so you have you reach your clarity and then after you reach your clarity, you become an operating thetan. I'm an operating. They did? Yeah, I think they did operate them. Fayton operates the saint. You've good operating Satan. You said it. That's time. So theaeton is just the word that Hubbard made up to mean the soul and say's basically you're sould and so, but this is after you reach clear. So, yeah, you've reached clear and now you've got to ascend the ranks. She's okay, and so clear used to be the top. Yeah, but these are like can make more? Yeah, and then he's like. He's like, well, he's been a hundred thousand dollars to get clear. Yeah, thank you. Spend two Hundrezero, which is also a team. And just so we're all on the same page, when you go to an airport and there's the TSA alternative called clear, that also cost a hundred thousand dollars, and that's what we're talking about, is where you can just go up and use your little pupil to get it in front of the TSA, and there's people spend a hundred thousand dollars to do. Yeah, I did it one year. So incredible amount of debt for one year of clear. So and each level you go up they reveal more to you, obviously, and you go through all this auditing process. They have this most Ota. So that's that. That's the time. Are you being taught by people in higher tears? Yeah, yeah, so the people in those tears are meeting with you. It's really interesting. I'll touch on that real quick in a second. I do want to grab a picture of this thing quick. So as you go through, as you go through the the Ot ratings, you have to do this, the audits pretty regularly. Right, so stupid. So you have to get do these audits really regularly to make sure, like your energy and your clarity is there. And so how bird invented this thing called the e meter and the e meters metering your emotions. And here's a picture of what this thing looks like. The best way I could describe this for if you're listening, it's like remember in like the S, when malls had those spaceships. You could explore. Yeah, and like it was like man out of plastic and there's all this stuff. But anyways, it's like this really, really crappy looking like electronic device with all these knobs and screens and stuff, and then there's these little tin cans they just hold on to. And it's kind of like the idea were to make up a lot detector, like if you were just to start from scratch and be like what do you think a lot of detector should look like? This is it, but probab only thing you have to go off of as an old CD player, then that's what this would look like. Yeah, that's pretty, pretty fair. So it's like you had to take that and just like turn that into a a lie detector. Yeah, so you got to hold those little rolls gold things. Yeah, you hold the little rolls gold, and then they ask you a bunch of questions about your memories and stuff, and then we're go, here's the problem. Like yeah, I really it's expensive to go. I mean you can go, I'm sure, but like they kidnap you, like that's part of the experience. Yeah, they tell you, put you in their basement. They call you Sarah, like what do you think about that? Sarah Ar Oh, yeah, Sarah, call me polly. Yeah, they call Sarah. So, Hey, you ever heard of tilling merchandise? That's right, we've got a full store of branded teas, mugs, hoodies, stickers, a lot more. All of its available online. If you just text tilling to six six, eight hundred and six six, we will send you a link for all of that. And we put out new designs with every episode, but those are only available for a limited time, so get them while they're hot. So you got the you got the KNOBS, and then the person asks you all these questions about your memories. Okay, if you addited properly, but we could go to the Siontology, the church scientology building. I'm sure we can. Just saying, would you like to try to get roped in? You and I, let's go to these. They shoal they want to be. They would look at our they would look at us and they'd be like, you guys aren't rich enough for this, like they would rether you. No, go on, my are we? They want to be roping a hundreds of thousand dollars out of people. We don't have any more, Dude. They're handing I'm saying they're handing out pamphlets downtown Kansas City. I'm saying, let's go to the entry let, and the people who were handing it to me are not rich people. Yeah, I don't so they're they're roping in people who aren't going to beat you and dad. I guess. I don't know. But anyways, you grabbed the thing. I think they would want me, not even for my money, but for my social media influence. Yeah, that is true. They do like that's what I'm saying. Famous is that could, and I'm gonna try to lower my voice because I heard myself. Goes saying, would would you like to try to infiltrate scientology? I'm I feel like I'm having a real conversation with you right now and you're acting like I'm not. Think this crazy. Yeah, but I'm saying we could do it. Yeah, okay, it's kind of like there's that Tick Tock Colt out in Los Angeles that I want to join. Yeah, you do really want to join that call. I want to be I don't want to be in a cult. I don't want to be. We need a safe word. You don't want to be in a call, but you want to be in a car, want to be in a could, but I don't want to be brainwashed by a cloud. Don't want it. You. Yeah, you want to be in a carpet. You want to be in but I think they know that. I think they're good at finding people who has a good at figure, yeah, who's real and like and they're serious, like especially, like, like maybe those lower levels the let anybody in, but as you start to ascend to clarity in the OT levels, was it that they spy on you and like they monitor every part of your life? And that guy who's special, you liked where he does the whole suggestive stuff? What's Darren Damn Brown? Yeah, okay. Did he also do the thing where they get someone to push something off a building? Was that also? Yes, yes, okay, so with the way they did that. If you don't know if it's on Netflix, it used to be. I don't know, okay, still it's called. Yeah, it's well, yeah, it was called push. They'd a whole thing where they get somebody in a made up scenario where everyone in the thing is actors, and then it escalates through the night of just like little suggestive things of like they drop sandwiches on the floor and put them back on the tray and like hey, you know, still go serve those. Yeah, and so just like saying yes to those things. Yeah, and then eventually it ends with them having to push someone off a building. Yeah, literally push someone off a building, and it's a stunt person who is just like falling it. Yeah, for me. And so I'm saying that, is that similar kind of tactic, or is there's similar things like that that they're employing, that they can figure out your suggestibility? Probably, I mean, if it is a bad public we don't. That's why I think I wouldn't be in a cult is because I would, you know, I wouldn't get chosen for push yeah, yeah, because you're ready to suggestive. We wash it together and she was like, Oh yeah, I would get child. I would put someone off. You would. You would push someone out, but you wouldn't do the same, which thing. That's where I'm saying you would. You're like evil. I get up out the roping like, Oh, you want me to push them out the yeah, I don't. Showed me, like can I can? I be the one who does it? Promise you want to tell I was you promise but here's what you would do them. You would do it thinking you were in a thinking it was a bit. That's what you're saying. It was a bit. How this is your doing, and be like Oh, okay, and then you push someone to their death. Yeah, and then I'd like, this wasn't a joke. Where the camp? I thought you guys aren't joking, Ashton. Why would you do this to me without it being a joke? Yeah, I'm sorry, officer, I thought this was all a joke. I thought I thought I was on reality. I thought the knife was fake and I didn't realize I'm just, after the twentieth time, sapping the person. What I'm saying is that I think they would know our suggestibility was not there. Yeah, probably, probably, we could probably fake it. And also, their tests are dumb and made up. Yeah, I'm just holding these little things, accessing memories. Here's the thing, I think. I think the tests are a white rabbit. I think. Okay, I think what they're trying to do is trying to make you believe that you're going through these audits and try to make you believe that you're doing all this clarity stuff to ascend your levels, when really they're just draining money from you until they realize it's the same concept as micro transactions, with the bit the whales. They're trying to move you up the levels and when they feel like they're losing you, they push you up and give you that reward. Same thing the counselors were doing. Psychologists are all they're all aliens, just sucking a little bit of money from you. So I think it's yeah, but the act, when you almost have a breakthrough, they go or time is up. I tell me about your father. So they will discuss this next week. So so the idea is you're clearing your mind, you're getting rid of all your bad memories and all your good emotion, all your bad emotions right, and when you do that you ascend the OT levels. You're operating faith. Theytan one operating theting to to get to eight AIDS, the highest level. Okay, well, I'm saying someone who's gone through all this, the one a ministering the test. HMM. Yeah, so the person a minute and ministering to the test is at least one level above you. Okay, at least one above you. And so as you're going up the levels, you start to get more power in the organization, used to write, more perks and you learned and you're trenched in more and you feel no weirdness about giving your money away. You and you learn more stuff, and I think that's I think that's what more most people are so interested about is like, because the the the lie that they paint is that scientology has all the answers, like you know, any answer, any question about why we're here, what we're supposed to do. Scientology has the answers and we'll give it to you you spent enough money, or if you get cleared clarity. Is What they say. But it's if you spend enough money. Leah Remini in her show, she talks about when she reached out three she got access to voice. Maybe just do it all the quick books. She got access to learn about Lord Zu. This is what I'm saying, though. You and I couldn't make it past click, because they would go. Imagine sitting across from an Oh for right or whatever they're called, T for ot, for ot fur. Yeah, and they're like it's time to learn about Lord's and you are just like yes, that's exactly how I'd react, like facetoface, get you say Lord Zenu to my face and I guess this is a devil wors prod the song. Yeah, yeah, it's, I mean it is. So here's the thing. Okay, so Leah Remedy talks about it. She gets Otthree and she said here's, here's exactly what happened to her. She said they gave her an office to go to in their headquarters and she got to the office and head quarters. Is that? We're at this point and the La One? Okay, yeah, on whatever that is. No, I know, we're on way whatever. It's PROB ugly blue building. Yep. So you go up. She's like. She's like, I went up to this office and there was like a clerk and the clerk asked me a couple questions and then they gave me a briefcase and I went to a separate office. When I got to that office are they gave me a code that only I need the code to and so I could open the briefcase. I open the briefcase, go to that second office and hand them the open briefcase and they put the file and that briefcase, they close it and they clip it to your clothes. So it's like stuck to your body, right, and so it has to be like connected to you at all times, as the idea. Okay, and only you know the password, right. So then you go to a different office and there's someone waiting for you there. That's like that next level of Otthree or whatever. You're sending to that level, and you get taken to this room and then they say, okay, you can open the documentary. So they're sitting across the street, across the the table from me, streets different building, with binoculars and they're like gotta Bu Walky Talk. What do you think of that? So, just to secure tail three launch, you open the briefcase now, okay, and if we're going to give you a few moments to read that paper. So she and it just says I have a bomb. Like what? Sorry, we gave you the wrong paper. It's a deep cooper reference. You get it all. DB Cooper's on the plane. Wait, he's created. F's like okay, and he's like we must have switched Su briefcases. Somebody get we need Liam remedy. So she gets to the office, she can say open the breeze us. We see across the table, sitting across the table and she said that. She said because I'm a celebrity, like I get like special parks that most people don't. So her mom got to be there to watch a reaction her mom's otiate. Oh Gosh, why is her mom in before her? Because her like she was raised in Scientology. Her family a big scientology family, okay, and so her mom's Otie. And so her mom's like super excited for her to finds like the mysteries of the universe. Right, see you. And so she reads the whole thing and Leah says in her the documentary, she said this was a moment where she liked turned like Leah did, because she read it and she was like this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. And she's like trying to eyeball her mom and they like this is real show, like is this and night? And so I just dropped half a million dollars on this. She's like you did this, not for a show them. This isn't punked, this isn't this is real. And so the guy across from you then asked, like quizzes you on it and iff, you get it wrong, you have to read it again. He quizzes you again until you get it right. That's yeah, that's straight up brainwashing, I know. And so here's here's the concept, here's the concepts. The concept is everybody's a theating and the theetan's are every square inch of your body is millions of other beings and Theetan's are so like. Your fingers are millions of Theatons, your elbows are millions of theetings. Your nose or millions of theatings, and they're all the theatings. That did not say. There's knees and head shoulders, theton's toes, theaton's toes, shoulders, the Oh. I used to always sing head shoulders, Satan's toes, and sounds like I don't have things, I don't have Satan's toes. Wow, Satan's toes sounds like what our patron supporters told us to say. We did secret code words with some of our patren supporters. And Satan's toes, is it? That sounds like something that tell us this. Yeah, but yeah, so it's the Big Bang of a bunch of Thetan's were released into existence and they came together to create, to create you, to create humans. Pay. So the millions of Thetan's are you and they are all following this. I guess I'm confused. How we get from dianetics. Yeah, you're going to tie us all together, because that's confusing to me. Of like how this guy starts to sing as a psychological practice. Yeah, turns it into a belief and suddenly it's Lord Zeena. Yeah, so the dionetics was his failed psychiatry, but it's involved areness, and so that was a springboard. Okay, so that's his his first opening door. So she saying that this is the point where she realized this is all dumb. Yeah, because it's. Because what do you do with then? Do you just leave the office? Well, they don't let you leave. Yeah, I mean if you watch like she's got her whole series about it, and it's very interesting to watch like her. What's talk about her? What platforms on? On? It's on Netflix. It's a really yeah. Yeah, and so we're sponsored by heard scientology show and so, and we're also sponsored, to not say the name of it, psychologies Pagas, to not say the day. Yeah, LEA remedies, telling us that it's business right there. That's what you got to do, you know, you got to promote it, but like you can't say what it is. Yeah, so Lord Ze new comes into it. He's some alien who came and brought the theatons to Earth, okay, and he's like their God and there was like so heating, the God of all the millions of things that are you, I guess. I guess. He says, okay, great, there was this there was this volcano that erupted in the universe that broke everything. Like it's just ridiculous. Yeah, the only reason we know about this is one because lea remedy talked about it. But before that, somehow, I don't know how this happened, but somehow someone leaked this information to South Park, like the run of the South Park, and they made an episode about it. So South Park is the only reason why this is public information. They don't want it to be public and they're really mad that South Park leaked it. But you know, but what? The South Park has an episode about Scientology and it's certainly point scientology. You got to be like, no, they're all aliens. It's making I mean they I'm sure they're vilifying, oh, a hundred percent. And so, I mean that's that's the thing is like it's so propagandized. So they had this belief, like the people who follow Scientology, like they believe Alan Hubbard had this glorious military career and the governments covering it up because they don't want you to know, because they're aliens. They say the same thing with psychiatry, like the psychology, psychology, psychology stuff. Their aliens trying to cover it up and like everybody outside who's always belittling and trying to tear it down, like they're the aliens trying to keep us away from dynetics, because that's going to save humanity and as send us to this higher level of consciousness and being that scientology affords the human race or whatever. Sure they even believe, they actually believe that Outroun Hubbard still alive, and so they believe. What happened was he was making all this ground we think he's a hundred eleven years old. Well, here's the he was making all this groundwork in his studies and he realized a certain point, he's in my body's holding me back, so he left his body and ascended to Ze News plane where he can continue doing research at Zen's planning. He's going to return and take all the scientologists with him to see news plane, because they spend enough money on it and they genuinely believe this, like because they're I mean, it's propaganda, like their brainwashed. I believe that he ascended to a Margarita Ville in the sky and from there has returned in the body of Pete Davidson and I will follow him for all of my days. So here's the thing. There's been a lot of legal controversies. They did have taxes and status for a long time. They ended up getting it revoked because they're making too much profit to be a tax event organization. There's a certain point, there's a certain threshold where your profits are too high and you can't be a nonprofit anymore. What level was that, though, because I don't know. They exceeded it because, like what's the yeah, I mean, like there's a lot of very fair. I was like, there's a lot of very lucrative, like big Ronnie things moving. Yeah, so they exceeded that somehow and they started getting a lot of sorts. I don't think they can be solely relying on the hundred thousand, like you know, like the are the celebrity man people they've got it. Some people that are going into debt. Yeah, like to do this as well. But there's a Saudi prince who spending fifty fivezero a month micro transactions. They started getting all these legal trouble. He actually got arrested in France. Well, he didn't get arrested, he got convicted and sentenced to prison in France, but he never went to France. To France, he's just like, I'm not going there anymore, and they were like yeah, well, if you do, yeah, if you come over here, we're gonna put you in jail. He's like, well, I just won't go there. Were you? You better to come out over we gotta do restaurant. We opened up last week. Yeah, you're a lot of dialectics. We got we serve Sandra Buscheta brand, just trink Jeez, new plates called Imperio. In theory. You love it, but swear you. Yeah, I got, you gotta come over here. Yeah, we, we. I don't know how French people sound. Oh my gosh, so so, because they were facing so much legal trouble. He started the Sea Org, and the sea org is all those boats he had, right, he just moved the headquarters of scientology to the ocean. Je and so it's just floating on the ocean. Is the headquarters. Now they are exempt from every all lock because their maritime and they're not a real thing anymore. I guess. If you're on the ocean long enough you don't exist. Are you telling me SCIENTOLOGIES RUN BY PIRATES? I mean yes, in very simple terms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so he's spent the rest of his life floating. And then he did come back to land at one point in I think Florida, and they started the land base. I could be wrong on where that's located, but I think it's. It likes you. Hey, you can't do that here, that's a guest lot. He's like, no, I'm at the sea. This sea world's sea world, like, I mean, he's got us there. That's I mean, that's not he's maritime. Live does and so l Ron and say Amo, they moves. The whale. She moved. Get it? I didn't. You know. FRAPP soups funny bro So. So he died with he died according to us, according to reality, he would have died when he was seventy four, which puts his death not eighty five. Huh. Hold on, there is way too much credentials on his wikipedia page. Eighty six, January, twenty four, one thousand nine hundred and eighty six. Okay, and so see, no, he died in California, but yeah, and so scientology. I mean he's the thing. They've taken advantage of a lot of people and there's a lot of legal like tax evasion stuff, like fraud stuff, and even a lot of like harassment and a lot of abuse, all kinds of abuse. Pick pick a prefixed to abuse. They've done it and they've been convicted. Around Hubbard, actually, a lot of his ot eight members, when he was alive, had been convicted of federal crimes and went to prison because he would literally convince people to go to government offices and like set them on fire and like do crazy stuff, because he had such a like a choke hold on these people, like convincing them that those are the aliens who are trying to keep us from what's good. And so they were like all, this is like a rebellion, but how is it still going? While some some guy took his place, was it wasn't just like his like next in command or his next of kin. I guess it wasn't his son, but just some guy that was like the number his number two person, I guess while he was alive, took over it. Try to remember his name. What he's googling. President and Scientology, scientology, president of Scientology, bicephs. David Ms Gavage, okay, is the leader now and he was like his his number two man during during his his era, and so is he's in? He is he out at sea? They have a land base that they operate out of and then they put the call work land, or I'm pretty sure they call it land base. I'm like, AH, pretty sure. How big is the sea work us? Are a picture of it? Yeah, let me see, it's what I picture is like, you know, battleship and the aircraft carrier. I imagine them on an aircraft carrier. Yeah, it's not that. So it's like a big old yacht. Okay, almost more like a cruise ship, like a crusis probably better way to describe it. And what they do is like a lot of teenagers will work the ship and that's a way for them to ascend to like an ot level early without spending all the money, and so they can get a lot of kids in here like a youth group and get them to jump levels quickly and brainwash them young on the board the ship. Do you want to pretend to be high schoolers and join the sportunity high schoolers? What? I say, we're too poor. Well, no, they do it. It's like a youth program. You have to be young. Okay. Do you want to ascend to the sixth dimension and jump timelines when we're younger and then go? Would you send your kid? What if your kid came home one day? It was like great opportunity, I have this really lucrative opportunity about to go sail the eight. CE'S HOLD ON. What was that class for you to say, what's the eighth? Tell you more about the eighth. Well, I can't because they haven't let me open that brief case yet. I got to get to time sethree what is this deal or no deal? You open the brief case. Yeah, what are you talking about? Oh my God. So so a lot of celebrities have bought into it, because that's their strategy, most notably Tom Cruise. Laws going to say John Travolta, Tom Cruise and John Travolta. Just to think it's okay, Cook. But speaking of those things, then what's the whole thing about no medication and no, Oh yeah, you're not supposed to take any of that stuff because that is ours for aliens to right. Yep, YEP, and they're trying to keep you from clear. So and so you won't make getting they got vaccinated. Were probably not. I'm just gonna say, pass a good gold of sea water every morning. So they wrote a book called he wrote a book called rounded. Did excaliber ever get released? Is that what they're basing all the stuff off of? Nope, and so that's that's like kind of what they say is like, you send it high enough, you get to read ex caliber. That's why I'm saying do we gotta get in this? And so he read a book just out of curiosity. I'll give my life way to a cult just for the curiosity of it. He wrote a book called Battlefield Earth late in his life out on Hubby run John. It's his only book that has ever been published into a movie and starring John Travolta and l Ron Hubbard. Oh wait, no, it's not. He was dead. Okay, it's gonna say I was interested. Now I've seen this one it's Jon Droolta movie where that baby talks. No, it's him and said actress. His name? Do you know? Talk about the movies literally called? Look who's talking? It's Bruce Willis as a baby. Oh, he's not, he's not. It's not his face. It's a baby. But Bruce. Well, his voice the Moose voiceover, and they didn't. She didn't do animation then. So the mouth isn't moving and it's just the baby's thoughts. Right, let's where's the baby talking? Maybe he's not talking. It's the baby's thoughts. Yeah, this is worse. Okay, so this is actually like lots of critics has said this is the worst film ever made. It's got a three percent. Watch it. Yeah, I feel like we should. When was it? It came out in two thousand. So this is still like. You know, John Travolta has got a career. I'm sure you've probably seen this cover. It's John Travolta on the cover. He's the main the main guy, and it's famously bad here. It is what she might have seen. I mean I remember this coming out. Nobody liked it pretty bad. Take back the planet. Yeah, and there's Johnny. This is still during his like career, though. Yeah, it was. Yeah, like, it's not like it's coming out now. No, yeah, that was when that was peaked John Travolta and he was like I'm going to use this. Wow, that's rough. Yeah, yeah, pretty bad. So we walk wall. We have to watch it. Yeah, it too. I mean like, no, I watched that. Really, did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's they're making another one this year. Really, yeah, it's the whole Disney has the whole area of it and the guys like it. D Right. Yeah, yeah, James Cameron spent a lot of time on it. This was the Prequel, Prequel to Avatar. Yeah, then Avatar came out, this pretty cool worst movie ever made. Avatar best movie ever made. You think avatars the best movie we were made? Well, I made the most money for a little while. It was the most profitable for a little while. That's until it wasn't again. You know, they're making four more of them. Yeah, I know, it's ridiculous, crazy. Anyway. Same thing with battlefield earth. Yeah, give for Basil Earth Five, that'll field there take actually three. Keep Earth back. I think we need to we need to fiddle off the said things of the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. Audio is edited by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Bet. Social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic designed by Caleb Goldberg. Our hoster, Jeremyers and Tim Stone. Please follow us on social media at tilling podcast. That's Tillo in podcast. Leave a review comment, subscribe wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night.


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