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Made by robots, for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Hey Man, oh, nothing much. God, I hate it when you do that. Well I do too. Uh have you ever heard of DASHCN DASHCN DASHCAN are you just saying Dash Cam wrong? Oh? Yeah. All of my Tiktok is just Dash Cam car accidents. I don't know how I got on that, but they are progressively worse. It started with like, you know, a little bumper things, and people have been like Oh and now it's like full on, like pretty bad accidents, you know, like I don't want to watch this stuff that or I started getting my pilots license, and then all of a sudden it was just footage of plane crashes. Yis they're like you you fly alive? Well, and like yeah, not even small planes, like like all the airline incidents. It's like the Microsoft flight simulator, like they're recreating recreating the crash. Yeah, it's terrible. It's like, Oh, yeah, why why is this what you want to do with you spent three hours making his video making this crash, you've spent three hours flying to the location where this crash happened just in anticipation, just just what do you say that again? What in anticipation? Like they flew there, well, they had to because if they're in Microsoft flight simulator, you can't just spawn at some random point. You have to take off, fly, so they took the three hour trip to where that crash happened. You can't just choose which airport you start at. I mean you can I guess, I guess you could choose a closer airport. That's true, you could choose a closer airport. Okay, that's what I was thinking. Simulator. You think they're like, no, well, where are my schools to set up my my grain? This grain? I got six trailers outside. I got a grain train in the parking lot. You're right down. It's funny, and it's like, Oh yeah, they are not qualified to run this conference. Things I learned last night. Have we haven't told this story about the time I raised your flight on this podcast? No? I think we told the story about the time you tried to hijack my flight. That was interesting. We were on the same southwest airlines flight and Tim's nott allowed to fly Ahmore. That's why he uses flight SIMULA. I popped in and you're like, what are you doing on this? He was in my car. I was like, how do you get there? And he was like, I'm taking over. It's a stick up. Uh No. I did fly to Atlanta once and you were like what times you're flight? You were texting me like twelve times. You're like, what time do you guys have? Okay, what kind of flight are you? And I was like, I'm gonna southwest seven forty seven. I guess okay, I'm gonna race you. It was like text me when you started taxiing and we raced and uh you beat me by about twenty minutes to southwest. Pilots beat you. I didn't do anything. I also I also crashed on the landing and you're violet slanted right. It was raining that day. I hadn't done a rain landing yet. That was my first brain landing. It was also my first I fr landing. I've been doing a lot of VFR flights. Did you it was the video on Tiktok because I might have seen it. Okay, let me tell you about dash cod. I've maybe this is the benefit of what we're doing right now because I haven't had a chance for my day to start. So we're shooting this early in the morning right now, which we've never done. We've done some late nights pretty early. You know, Tim just woke up. But like, my brain isn't confused yet, so I think right now, like it's every day around noone. My brain just it's like seven Bro, every day I have that at two o'clock, two PM. My brain is just like we're done. It is true, yeah, because it's all the carbs in lunch. Right, well, I haven't carbs in eight years, so I don't know. Okay, so before we get going, this was recommended by a couple of patrons. Actually two different patrons had recommended this, and both of them when they recommended, a bunch of other patrons were like, Oh yeah, we need to do this. And so those two are Bo Dalla was first, treg was t came in second, and then Bodalla came back and was like, oh I second this, but I also first did this first. That that's what your dad. So, okay, dash conduct it's a conference. I'm guessing yes, no, it's a it's a con is it though? No? Well it kind of actually yeah, actually it's both. Okay, there's a ven diagram, it's a convention. It's a convention and Chicago, Illinois. Um, you can't even fault the people who put it together, like guys, con is in the name, in the name, what did you expect? Yeah, what did you expect? What? A friend gave you a card and was like can you keep a secret, and you're like, yeah, you know what, this is going to be totally legal, legit. Oh my gosh, so this this uh we need to start at the birth of DASHCN UH oh. So there was a movement called Tumbler. I don't know if you've heard of it, um, but in the early days of Tumbler, Tumbler was a different world than seven like two thousand, two thousand, tens ish, early twos. In the early days, it was different than what it is now. Um, is it now? Is it still? Is it still now? Is what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure that it is now. I thought it died. I'm pretty sure it's still around. I thought Tumbler and vine were casualties of two thousand fourteen. Yeah they're still around. I mean they definitely were casualties. But what it is now is it's it's kind of almost like a four Chan now, like it's just a mess just land of Internet. But but in its early days, it was a like your stereotypical social media platform. But for some reason, and I don't really know exactly what about it made this happen, but in those early days, it was a place where if you really liked something, Tumbler was where you went to talk about it all the time and find out also really like I've never got into Tumbler. All I think of it is like the tumbler girls, right, that became a stereotype thing. And it's like those emo kids and the yes the pop punk subculture was thriving on Tumbler. Honestly, I would say, because there was kind of like your first wave think about a lot, but I think about this a lot, like you know, like I know, I say that about a lot of things, but this is probably one that consumes me a lot. Is like the romance on a rocket ship guy, you know, roar romance the rocket ship right near a rocket ship, like was a musician for those weird kids. Okay, I've never heard of that, or like the yeah, like that scene kind of like they had the checkered belt and they were not in the belt loops. You just you know, put it over your and hope it doesn't slid. Yeah, and like the you know, always wear the converse and all that stuff. It made sense to me that like thirteen and fourteen year olds were doing that, but they were doing that emulating the grown adults doing that's what I'm saying, like, you are you with me now? Like there was romance on a rocket ship if you spell it out. Roar was this dude's band's name, and he's like thirty making music and it's like, came from you. No, you're thinking raw, which is r a W R, which is a little dinosaur drawing kind of thing. This is like deep tumbler dive right now. But I'm saying I only know this much about this because there were plenty of them at my high school. Yeah and so, and like not that they were weird kids. Hey, if you're into it, you're into it. I think it's weirder that there were adults. That's where I'm trying to see, yeah, you're not weird for being a weird fourteen year old, weird thirty year old who's WHO's leading the culture creating content. And I guess I say that as a person who does youth conferences and stuff, and you should start wearing those belts. I'm having an existential crisis. As I'm doing this episode right now, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Like that never shot Never Guy Christopher drew was you know, at least he was at least he was like nineteen doing it. Yeah, I mean that's a good point. This is an interesting point anyway. So that's what was on tumbler was there was some yeah, they were huge fandoms and like and for some reason that I've never quite understood. Um Well, I mean, I guess it does make a little bit of sense. But if you like something like a lot, it gets really weird. Maybe it's that obsession factor. Unless you're like one of our Patriot supporters. That's totally is so normal. That is, that's the most normal thing you could do. But it is kind of it is kind of strange that loving something so much makes you weird. You have to like something just the appropriate amount to not be weird. But once you start being like, Oh, yeah, I love this, like, I love this a lot. I love this so much that I dressed up like it and I've got tattoos of this thing and I post about it on this obscure website with no vowels, then people are like, that's weird, that's weird that you like this. I don't know. Anyways, a bunch of people would retreat to this place because they make it their personality. Yeah, and and because of that factor, it did attract a lot of people who didn't have a ton of friends in real life, but they had these relationships in the tumble verse. Um, do you think there's a link between Tumbler people and like conspiracy people? This is kind of a real munder because like that obsession factor, that part of you, that's just like the desire for online community, that's what drives things like human it could have been anyway, um anyway, so that's that's the stage of what Tumbler look like in that era, um a little a little different than it does now. Um. And there was a community in there that was so excited and invested in the Tumbler community that they would always talk about like two like trending things on Tumbler all the time, pretty much where Tumbler University and Tumbler Island, which were these mythical experiences where all these tumbler kids could come together and go to school together in their own university or live on an island together and just exists together with all their tumbler friends. Um, they had virtual versions of it club peg. I was gonna say tuned town. So we had the same thought on that that was good. I like that. I like that. That was good. Uh So uh, everybody just kind of dreamed about it and we post about it like yeah, we'll do this on tumbler island. Um. But it was like, this is never gonna happen until one fifteen year old girl was like, I'm gonna make it happen. Uh, and so she started like putting these plants together on facebook marketplace for islands. You know, she started kind of dreaming. She's like, she's like, okay, we probably couldn't put together university can afford an island, but a conference that seems easy and doable. Um, fifteen year old girls planning this, yeah and so and she's out here like okay, so because they all have the hair over their one eye, like they're freaking like Emo pirates. Yeah, she wipes it in like her hands pink after movings. Many of these girls, do you have crushes? Oh? All of them? But I was one of these girls. Would you let me ask you this way if one of these girls were to paint an elephant on a sweater, would you you? Would you buy that? And then excitedly UNWRAPID and noticed the card and it says, Tim Norris, is that is that real? I'm sorry that happened to you? headsucks? I was like, okay, cool whatever. I guess for people who don't know. Tim had this big crush on the weird scene girl that came to college dress like that, and she leveled that she became normal. Yeah, but yeah, but I was too nervous to talk to her. I never never. She did these sweaters where she painted an elephant for her fundraisers for her trip to Africa, and he bought one and was like, she's going to notice that I bought it, and then we're gonna well. It was. It was more just an end. It was like, this gives me a chance to talk to her about something. And then he wore it every day and then I really, honestly do like the way that I wear my like hope Hoodie that I've got. I wear it too much, honestly, like it's cool, it's it's a cool switcher. It was. It was that moment when I unwrapped it and saw the wrong name on the car, and I was like, Oh, this isn't gonna happen. But the Sucher was cool, so I wore a lot. I like it anyway. Anyway, so she was we're gonna make this happen. And so she starts putting all these planes together and for some reason, like twenty I believe Um for some reason, and I don't understand why. Actually I can't understand why it's tumbler. Uh. This all of her plans attract the attention of three grown adults, uh by the name of Meg with two g's Um obvious, rock, sane, and a guy goes roxy, a guy that goes by Kane, but his name is locane and has spelled L O C H I a n Uh and he for a while was trying to convince everyone his birth name is Loki. Uh. So, yeah, I think you have an idea of how this is going to go. He's a tumbler guy. And so they she attracts the attention to these adults, and these adults are like, great, idea, we're going to help make this possible because you're fifteen, um, and so yeah, we're kind of well, here's the thing. Uh, Meg and Kine were thirty, rock sand was nineteen. For some reason, rock sand was friends with meg and Kane because a tumbler adults had weird boundary. Yeah true. Uh, and so they reached out and they were like, Hey, you want to be the Admin. will put this together as like an actual company and build this tump our conference. Okay, and they called the tumble con Um and Tumbler was like, you can't call it that. And then they were like, we'll call it DASHCN and name it after the dashboard because that's what they call it. It's like it would be like calling it your timeline connor feed con or something like that, because that was what they called that, the dashboard Um feed con feed. It was like a bunch of farmers who show up and like, well, what I'm looking for grain? It's just a guy's got a sack of grain. He's like, well, where am I supposed to set up my my grain to sell this grain? I got six trailers outside, I got a grain train in the parking lot. You need to get this somehow of your brain. I'm trying to sound great, well, what am I gonna do? I got a big online following. They bought tickets to the wheat and green it. I was trying to get that joke out when you did it. That's a good one. Wheat Great Um so Kane and Roxanne and meg they go and they organize as an actual company an L LP NOT ENOUGH L C, but they and they say, okay, we're gonna build this conference. They started indiego go uh to fundraise for it, where they raised six thousand dollars uh to kind of get the ball for yeah, not even close to enough, but they did say that that wasn't going to that was just gonna get the ball rolling. Help them build a website, start selling tickets and things like that and get in the door. And they reached their goal. Tumbler was hyped about it. They got all these three blogs. Where were they trying to do it? CHICAGO, right? Yeah, Chicago, hamping in like where were no? It was this convention center. Yeah, it was an actual hotel and it's like a hotel and convention center. How many did they hope we're going to show up to this thing? Well, based on the engagement on Tumbler, they expected to have around seven thousand people show up because that was how many people like, there was a people are under sixteen? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, so I know where the story goes in. Yeah Great. Uh so they expected out with Loki in Chicago and FREAKING HOLLY XX is like, well, you know, Hollis, what is this? Yeah? What what am I supposed to call you? Now? Uh so they put together this website. They started selling tickets. It was sixty five dollars for the weekend. It's really cheap. Yeah, uh six dollars for the weekend. You can pay in additional twenty dollars to get access to this concert um or you can pay just twenty dollars to just go to the concert Um. But that did not include it was steam powered giraffe. Have you ever heard of them? No, apparently you could have made you could have made that up and looked me straight in the face and said steam powered GIRAFFE. It sounds like I made it up. That's what I was thinking. I was. I thought I was gonna be like, you've heard of him? Oh, it's kind of I made it up. It was would have been funny. It was backstreet plays, steam power ser draft. I was kind of impressed when I looked it up there decently large. They've got they have a quarter million month of listeners, Um and like twenty million listens. I'm their songs on spotify. I checked them out. So they seem like I listened to a bunch of tracks in the way here, Um, not my cup of tea? Uh? Is it like pop punk with but I was gonna say, like with like a techno element in it, like not even it's kind of like, uh, it feels like you're listening we play five seconds without ginding in trouble. I want to his eyes got so big on that, like like you you looked like I asked if we can get away with murder for a second. Here's the thing, playing five seconds of a song does not give you a good picture on these guys, because it's it felt like I was listening to the like I listened to one of their albums and it felt like I was listening to the soundtrack of the musical because every track was a totally different style. All right, I'll check it out. And they but they were all kind of like yeah, they were all like that kind of stuff. Though it was like like saloon music or like wild west or like ragtime like it was all like over the place, but all like older like Elvis Rock, older styles, and like it all told the story of the steam powered Giraffe. Who did what? Who did the original? When I say the original Tiktok Song? Do you know what I'm talking about? Do you know what I'm talking about? The like when Tiktok was musically uh, and there was these weird kids on on that APP doing the ladies. I know what you're talking about, know what you're talking about? What the crap was that? Um? Yeah, I haven't got no idea. I don't think it was them, because I would expect that would be the number one song, and I listened to the number one the number one song was actually kind of good, like the rest of their stuff. Not A fan. Their number one song was kind of like an acoustic like Indie rock song, and it's actually kind of good. Um, the rest of it I wasn't a fan of. But steam powered Um uh but yeah, so so they were gonna headline this concert. They were going to headline the concert. Um, and they were a big selling factor of the conference. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it would really help us out if you leave a review or a comment on Youtube if that's what you're watching on and if you want to check out another episode, I recommend Julianne Kopki. That was an episode all about a woman who survived a ten thousand footfall from a plane without a parachute, landed in the Amazon absolutely bonker's story. Uh, and it was pretty fun. We had a lot of fun jared and I in that episode. Uh. So you should check it out. It's one of my favorites right now. But thanks so much for being here. That a few things scheduled for this that we're actually like, Hey, you guys did a pretty good job like booking this, like this is someone interesting, like the same para of the draft. That was a pretty big band to bring in for your first year. Uh. They also alright, they also had Doug Jones, who was one of the doctor who's Alex's brother. Okay, we can get out my brother, hug, you're going to these fruit fruit conventions. Uh No, Doug Jones. He was one of the doctors on doctor who, which is a pretty big name. They also had the podcast welcome to Night Vale, which I don't know if you've heard of that they were one of the biggest podcasts in very early podcasts. And I hope we get booked for a weird convention that if you're putting together a weird convention that you think is gonna Collapse, call us. We want to be a part of it. Tilling live. We do podcast conventions, ministry conventions, reptile conventions was surreptiles. I'll tell you about that. The so my agency also reps a BMX group that you know when they you know, they go to churches and they rap over cars and they do all this stuff and at the end they're like, you could do this with the Lord or whatever. Um. They're actually really good guys. I love them all. But we're at this convention and apparently next door there was a reptile convention happening, and one of those BMX guys went next door and bought an alligator. And then it was just sitting underneath our table in a tub, but like not an alligator tub, like in a clear just bought from Walmart, you know Tub. There's just an alligator underneath our convention table. And they drove they drove eight hours to get to that convention, which means they had to drive eight hours back. What if you were in a van with a group of friends going to a convention and then someone at that convention buys an alligator, and then you now have to drive eight hours back with an allegat alligator. And it's like, Hey, man, I'm gonna running side of the bathroom at this gas station. Will you walk my gator? Can You keep an eye on my gator? Like well, can you imagine a guy at the pump just be like, Hey, can you watch my gator while I'm in the bathroom for me if he gets a little anty? Sure? Anyway, so they built a real convention, that's what you're saying. Kind Yeah. The podcast welcome to Night Vale was was early podcast. It was actually ranked one on apple podcasts for a little while. Um. Um, it's still active today. There's actually a TV series being like made in honor of it. The show was here. Let me show I actually pulled this down for you. You've probably recognized the logo. Oh Yeah, I've seen this around. Um. They were pretty big. They at that time they were pulling about half a million downloads a month, so a pretty big podcast. Um. And then they uh they had this other podcast. UH, the Baker Street Babes, which was a podcast about Um the street that they left Sherlock coms Um. And then they had like all these like Comic Book Authors and like Book Authors and Artists. They had like this, they're gonna have this whole vendor section where you could get art from you could do art if you and so like they actually and they had all these different Um panels that they put together that we're honestly the type of stuff that people were talking about having happened at Tumbler University. And so they it was kind of clever, like they did their research, they're like, what do the people want? And then they made panels about that stuff. And so they kind of went back to all that stuff and did that Um. And so they expected that this was gonna go pretty well. They had some pretty decent name people. They had um a great venue for this Um and then they went and they got a bunch of volunteers there. They had their team of three, they had an Admin, they hired a couple of people for like staff, and then they had on their website a volunteer page where you could volunteer and get perks for volunteering Um and the request on the website. So if you volunteer for one to eleven hours, you receive our undying gratitude. So Red Flag Number One. Volunteer for twelve to nine teams, if you'vevolunteer for one to eleven years, you get our undying gratitude, and some free shirts along the way, actually not discounted shirts. Shirts five percent off and it really aren't that they don't give you a margin on it. Um. If you're twelve the nineteen, you will see the refund for your badge cost, which is like your ticket. Um Twenty plus hours, you received the refund for your badge and your hotel room will be camped for Friday and Saturday night. Um, so it's just a weekend. Friday, Saturday, Sunday was event. So it was a pretty good deal to to volunteer this thing. And a bunch of kids who were like all my parents, they don't they're not gonna buy my ticket. But I can go volunteer for this event. If I volunteer twenty hours, I can go for free. Uh so a bunch of kids volunteer is what happened. Um, I've been to a wedding like this where the groom was like, I bet I can get a bunch of middle school wers to do all this stuff for me. You know. Uh, so, are you gonna like hire a catering company. No, I'm a youth pastor. I was gonna have a bunch of middle schoolers hand out food on my wedding. I'll just have a make sandwiches. That's gonna know. Well, yeah, there's a kid in my scroupoo knows how to make Spaghetti. I'll just have he says. He says, I'm at Grace Spaghetti. Everybody just gets these kids noodles and noodles. Halfway there's still kind of crunchy here. That's the day. And he's just going table to table spaghetti forgets the sauce. He's like, oh shoot, I forgot the sauce. Oh we got catch up in the D he's like, well, my mom says that I can come to your wedding, but I can't pay to come to your wedding. But she said I can't bring, but I'll volunteer. She said, I can't bring seven gallons of face fasta kid. You got a kid that is uh it's Dj and the wedding got a little child Dj over there. He's playing the kids Bob version of everything. I want to have a kid's both wedding. They'd sponsor it. I mean, Bro, what if my wedding if I had like Celsius, get them as a sponsor. I hate you because this is literally my idea, what to get Celsius to sponsor my wedding. Not Celsius, but I told you this. At my wedding, pretty shot it down so hard to try to get bang energy drinks. So I was gonna get sponsors for my wedding. I was gonna, literally I said. I was like. I was like, I'll get sponsors and don't have like title sponsors. They could get big chest, like we'll sew it on my suits. I wanted to know the arm. I got an email from a streaming company that was like, sell tickets to your wedding, like they and I emailed back and I said, this is the grossest thing I've ever seen in my life. Who would do this, sell live stream tickets to my wedding? I mean the Queen? UH, the Queen? All Right? So uh here's the thing about Tash Com and this was Alex wrote it down. I was waiting, I was waiting at the corner of my eye. I was like, he's gonna write it down. Our lawyer told us to say, we have nothing to do with it and hasn't happened. Please help me find the death threats I sent to her, though, oh no, I just said her like two emails that say to you, Miss Diana the Queen Gmail Dot Com. She didn't get it my emails Queen Elizabeth. She emailed Queen Elizabeth, the Queen, Queen, Queen Lizzie. That's terrible. So the thing about dash con and the people who were running dash con is they had literally zero experiences. How many signed up? You're saying like a bunch of kids signed up. How many volunteers they have signed up? I don't know an exact number. I asked. I would estimate a couple of dozen just based on the stories. Um Uh, but yeah, these people they had no experience running conferences. Um The experience we do not that they had. Well I shouldn't say, do know the experience that is rumored that they had. Um Is Roxanne just graduated from High School. That's her experience. Uh. Meg and Kane had been working like minimum wage jobs. Meg Actually UH, applied for bankruptcy like three years before this. Um, so a lot of probably good experience with handling major events like this. Ah Uh. So the deal that they had arranged with UH everybody was payment after the event, and I know how that goes. And so because they genuinely anticipated, based on Internet, seven thousand people and a ticket. Yeah, so, I mean it was you know, they're looking at three and what they arranged with the hotel. The hotel was like, no, we're not going to do that. But what they got a a verbal agreement with the hotel Um to do a UM basically like a payment every hour as the conferdence went on, so that way, as more people were checking in, they'd have more cash to give hotel Um. And part of the deal with the hotel was, hey, we're giving we're bringing in seven thousand guests, so we're basically filling your hotel for the weekend, and so is there a way we can get it give everyone off everyone a discount of the rooms, and the hotel was like sure, yeah, yeah, Um. And so all these arrangements were made. The conference begins and day one, everyone shows up um at like five o'clock in the evening on Friday. The first events were supposed to happen that night, Um, and everyone just kind of stood around for a few hours. Everyone how many people showed up? Oh about okay, which you know, not terrible, not not terrible, but when you're expecting seven thousand, yeah, everyone's kind of stowed around. Yeah, because there wasn't a thing to do. This is a lot like I did an event like this in two thousand seventeen. Um where I booked it. It was a winter conference, three day winter conference. Yeah. Uh. He booked lacre and for King and country, so he was gonna do an arena, you know. Uh, and so all these youth groups started buying tickets and then uh, it ended up being it was in San Antonio at the Weirdest Hotel I've ever been to my entire life, in their weird conference room, a conference room with a low ceiling. Right. Obviously lucre and for King country had backed out at this point, and there ended up being three fifty people there and there was me, there was brock Gil who was a Christian illusionist who was pretty big in two thousand seven, and then being in Bailey, who is like Cheesy Dad Comedians who are pretty decent for adult crowds, horrible for youth audiences. And then the speaker didn't get paid. I don't think he spoke the whole sessions. And then they had a weird wolt international guy who came out and was like sponsored kids, but it's like it's like youth groups, and so these kids were expecting lacree and for King and country. Food was terrible. It really was. The it was the holy firefest holy fireft. It was terrible. That is really rough. You hate to see it. Um, I don't think I got paid for that. Oh I did get paid for that, but I got paid two thirds of what I was supposed to get played. He was like, he was like, Hey, I'll pay you this amount, which was not a lot. And then that that, you know, the night after the second day he was like, Hey, you know, like can I can I give you this now and I'll give you this later. And I don't think I ever got the thing later. I don't know what that guy's doing now, but probably not that. Yeah. So yeah, kind of a similar situation. They at least were in the same venue they planned, Um, but uh, seven show up. They didn't have a plan for what they were going to do in the beginning of this event until like eight o'clock. So everyone's just kind of here and there, just like what do we do now, and just kind of like hanging around this conference room, and so people are sitting in there for hours. Meanwhile, one of the managers of the Brank Bank Bank hotel, bake manager was there. The hotel manager, there's not seven thousand people here. Well, the hotel manager pulls aside their admin. Who was this now sixteen year old girl who, by the way, this is a really weird side to this story. Um Uh no, she's seventeen at this point. Um. She actually graduated early because she was able to claim credits for her work on Dash Kn uh as like like job experience type stuff. Apparently you can do I didn't know those an options. So she graduated early for this, which in Chester they will probably like, you know, we see what you did, and like that was really bad. Yeah, you did not pass. So the manager of this hotel of this convention center holds the seventeen year old admin aside it was poor high schooler and says, Hey, you guys are us seventeen thousand dollars and she's like what and he's like, you guys always sear. The contract was you pay seventeen up front so that way you can get this block rate and use the convention center the room that you're using. And then she goes, she goes, I have thirteen dollars in a big macket. Well, she says, she says, I thought they arranged with you to do like this payment terms and he was like, no, they didn't. She he was like, look at the contract, like you o Seventeen Tho up front and so then she breaks down and they're like, they're like, your your whole. You have until ten PM tonight to come up with the money or were kicking everybody out. And people have traveled for this. There are people who came from Australia for this, which is absurd Um. And so she goes back to the team and they say, well, Hey, figuring out. Yeah, they tell her, hey figure out se so her and roxand the seventeen year old in the nineteen year old, they're like, okay, guys, listen, we need a lot of money from all of you. They said. They put a thing up on the website and on Tumblr and they posted it and basically, they said, Hey, uh, the hotel decided they don't like us. They want to kick us out unless we give them seventeen thousand dollars. The hotel decided they don't. What did it actually say? That's exactly what they said. No, did not. That's not word for war. But the premise was they don't. You've been informed by the hotel that they don't like our crowd and they us to go or unless we give them put this donate button up on the website. Guys, I showed up here and they were like, we don't like you. All right. Here's the thing. I booked this hotel room. I showed up, didn't pay for it yet, right, and when they were like you have a card for incidentals, I was like, why don't you like me? And they were like, well, you gotta pay for the room. You don't like me. I'M gonna blast you on the Internet, like can you believe that this hotel doesn't like me? This persecution? Okay, and I'M gonna put a donate on my website. In you do, you should see the yelper view. I'M gonna leave. Wow, you don't like me. I don't like you either, what they don't like our crowd, so tumbler because there's a bunch of they don't like our rout and they're charging us all inconvenience fee for having to put up with these weird kids, which also makes sense that yeah, they do suck. I agree with this. So they put the bust up on Tumbler and there's all these people who wanted to go but like didn't and they're like, oh no, the hotel doesn't like our friends at Dash Con, and so they do. So they donated and then they went. They gathered everybody in the main conference hall and this teenager goes up on stage to say, Hey, so we've just been informed that unless we can raise seventeen thousand dollars to give to the hotel, they're going to kick us out because they don't like any of us. And some adults in the crowd were like, that's extortion. They can't do that. Uh, and she was like, I have this paper bag. Well that's extortion, they can't do that. And you're like, where are you from? Like I traveled to be here, actually, dude, no, no, no, no, tumbler adults pretend to be from somewhere. Yeah, that's pretty fair. Yeah, they're from just like four minutes. They can't do that. You're like, what do you hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. 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They're like, we go out to dinner and I'm like, yeah, you know, we just want this and this and then whatever and rigging orders her stuff and then our kid is just like haddy chicken strips. Then they look at us and I'm like, yeah, that's our foreign exchange student who is I don't know, definitely looks just like us. But you know, we wanted it that way. We got to shoot, here's a picture for me, find a kid in your country. It didn't even sign up for the program. I'll take a foreign exchange, but I'm not gonna ruin my Christmas pictures over it. All right. They're locking around the wall with the polaroid of you, like, looking at kids, and they're like, Hey, you want to make seven fifty seven? Even it makes seven dollars seven? All Right? Then stupid. So the adults are like, well hold on, yeah, they're like that. And she's like, I'm missing prom for this, you know or whatever. Her seventeen year old self says. Uh. But the crowd bands together and they all start donating. I'd be so annoyed. And Kane comes out. He takes the bag. It was literally a paperback. He takes the bag and he looks in the bag and uh, he says, we did it. We beat him, and like the crowd just abrupts. Everybody's cheering, like they start singing we are the champions. Um. Honestly, the vibe in this room during this whole event here, I need to show you a picture. This is probably my favorite part of this whole conference. Someone in solidarity before they figured out that they were going to raise enough money, uh to fight back against the Mean Hotel Hotel manager, Dude, hold on Wa wait wait, hold on it, can I do it real quick thing? Yeah? Bank of America says, I owe thirteen thousand dollars on my Honda Civic. And I think that that's they don't like me. They just don't like and can you believe that it's absurd? Would you please donate? We can do this, we can fight back against the man. Yeah. You can't let them belittle you. You can't let it. I mean, is it extortion? I don't know, but listen, Bank of America's bullying me right now. They're like, well, you agreed to pay it, and I'm like, well, I thought Joey B was gonna do that, you know, and so I elected a president that would make me not pay for anything, and here we are, like America still be jerks about it. Yeah, so donate now, donate today, donate now, don't send you holy water. This is the K love pledge drive, and the pledge goes to paying off my vehicle. Um. So in this room, I don't know who does it, who starts this, but someone in solidarity to the moment and to fight back against the man in the situation. I'll show that holiday in manager, they're like counting the money. He's just laying in the old Bernie's dead four rooms please. I know, someone does the hunger games thing and everybody joins, and you just have this whole conference room full of kids doing the hunger games little whistle. Look that blue dress there, you know I'm talking about like the Tumbler kids of the boots on the girl next to her, yeah, it's yeah. So they all do the like they get on stage like we gotta get seventeen thousand dollars to pay off our debts, and someone goes exactly, and the guy's up there like he's going to pay her bag and he's like that's great, but we still did seventeen thousand dollars and they go, Um. And so I watched I watched a story or a video from the admin girl and she said that, uh, do we have a picture of the admin girl. She look like what I think she looks like probably yeah, Um. And so she said that Um Kane, when he got that bag, he didn't count it. Uh, he just said we did it. We beat them. And then she said after the fact she counted that, and she said they brought in about three thousand dollars and she said the website brought him maybe fift and so it wasn't even close. And so what she things happen is later that night everybody went back to the rooms and was locked out of their rooms. And so what they did is they negotiated with the hotel and said, okay, get rid of the block, right, Um, all of the rooms that we comped for, all of our panel speakers, all of our volunteers, all of our talent, all of our vendors, get rid of the camp. Make them pay for the room. But they didn't notify it. And so all these people had a room with all their stuff in it, and they got locked out because the old keycards. Because the managers were like, Hey, here's three grand, how do we make up the other fourteen? And he didn't even care. He hands a bag of CRUMB, this should be enough. Take that Brian, you should have you should have allowed to because one of them said, uh that when they had that bag with three grand, they're like, this is more money than I've ever handled in my life, and it's like, Oh yeah, they are not qualified to run this conference, and so they gave that three grand shut down everybody's room. Um, and then from this point on it was just dumpster fire after dumpster fire after dumpster fire of Um the uh the band dropped out. The band was like, Oh, yeah, you're never gonna pay us, so we're not Um. The pop ball podcast, steamboat orchestra or whatever they were called. You know, they were at least good business people. Both the podcast dropped out, and then what happened on Saturday is all the vendors started leaving because they realized, Oh, all these guests spent all their money on that donation yesterday. They keep this event open, we're not making any money. And so as the vendors started pulling out, it became this snowball effect because the more vendors that left, the less interest. There wasn't going down where they were selling anything, and so nobody was selling anything. All the artists, all the vendors started pulling out until eventually this conference ended up having like four panels the whole event, and the panels that they did have they had tables that weren't long enough for all the panelists. They forgot to get chairs for some of the panelists, and like just absolute insanity, to the point where the last panel there was like thirteen people in the audience. Two days before the thing, they were like, let's do a podcast table. Yeah, pretty much. Um. But probably the best part about the story is after Um the big PODCAST UH canceled what we they're called, Um the welcome to Night Vale. That was like kind of the big everybody wanted to see them, so they came in at the panel room where that was supposed to happen. They're waiting for an hour and a half. Nobody shows up until eventually the organizers come out and they say, Hey, they go guys, the podcast host decided they don't like us, and it's probably because you're weird, and it's definitely your fault and you should probably go home and think about what you've done. What you've done, and they said that, uh, we owe them seventeen dollars to so you dig deep in your pockets step. That's just the amount of two lattes for each of you. So have you buy two lattes a week? You as? Uh? So No, they the lady comes out. This was Roxanne. At this point, there was some internal strife between Roxanne and Kane and meg because can and they had done basically think they weren't saying solidarity thing like these hold hands and they go, you have to weather the stones is going to work. Cane and meg had done basically nothing for this event. Roxanne like months before, I was like, okay, these people aren't doing anything. So she kind of just stepped at the plate and tried to pull it off. But she's nineteen. She doesn't know what she's doing. Yeah, and so uh and it got so bad to where cane and meg or Canan Meg and this is this is kind of a rabbit trail with this funny can and Meg. They before the event, they they planned on paying for everything after the event, after everybody paid them, which is never gonna work. And so what they did is they went and they got a lawyer, and the lawyer dropped them because he's like, you're not paying me, and so then they went and you're trying to get out of paying other people. Okay, I hear what you're trying to do. And for that reason, I uh yeah. So the lawyer dropped them. And so what they did is they like for things. Their privacy policy on the website is an exact copy of legal legends privacy policy. What it's a word for words? What stuff like that is happening. And so the day of the event, the day of the day, the day it was supposed to start, meg and kine show up to the event with a document and they started pressuring Roxanne to sign it. And what it was was this poorly word worded legal agreement that pushed her out of the company and made her the secretary. And she was like, I'm not gonna sign that, and they got real mad that she wanted to sign it because they were like, don't read it, just sign it. Like, is it just something no that's gonna put all on me right, well, no, it's they were trying to kick her out of it so she couldn't get any money because she was a part owner. Kane actually wasn't in a y. It was Megan and Roxanne at first. Kane was meg's boyfriend and said they tried to push her out and have kane take her spot as an owner. Um. And she was like no. And so then they were super distant. They weren't involved in much until the money was happening, and then they would show up when the money was happening and disappear again. Um. And so Roxanne comes out to this, to this crowd that's expecting to watch the welcome to night veil like live session or whatever, with two hidets. She's like, hey kids, hey man, what's up? Oh? Nothing much? Can we get puppets of us? Puppets of yourself? Probably decent bit to get puppets, not much, but to get puppets of yourself. There is a place in town that does that. I'm looking to the way you ended that sentence was there is a place in town that doesn't. I've looked into it. Okay, no, no, so Roxy Meg, and you know know why did you look into it? For you? And No? I was a kid's past you. Counseling's like, what if you guys spoke to each other with puppets instead speak for you? I feel he has a life size puppet. He's a puppet. Your counselor is brief, he's laid down in the couch and he's like rustled his couch. He reaches up in this puppet so we can't see him but his feet. This is what connects with people. And he's like, but he noticed that people can't really hear well, so he cut a mouth hole out of the couch and to see his mouth. So I hit my mouth really hard with the MIC. Just now, I'm not bleeding. We're fine. So you're saying that he cut a hole where his mouth is so you can see his mouth moving in the couch. But it's like by the puppets feet. Understand that he's in the chair. Yeah, I understand that he has built a custom puppets puppet puppet couch. That's great. Uh So don't you want the puppets to look like at your church? Well No, I was going to get just puppets in general for an event. And then I was like, I like toward the facility and they're like, yeah, we can do custom stuff, and I was like, I need to file that away. You do need to file that away. I know exactly where it is. Um. So there's a puppet tier, a puppet tier on Patreon, pay fire puppets a puppet tier. Yeah, I got it. That was good. It was good. It was clever. I laughed. Okay. So Roxanne, uh, she comes out, and she was like, where are you going? He said, if you're listening, jared's just crawled under the table and stuck his hand up to the MIC. Can you say something? Yeah, such a dumb bit, yeah, pull the MIC down. So anyway, all right, so rock she walks out this crowd of people who's been waiting for like an hour and a half of this yeah, and they she comes out. She says, Um, so, I'm sorry to tell you guys this, but Night Vale just dropped. Uh. And she said, I know, it's really sad. She said, I've been sighing backstage a lot about this, sighing. Yes. So she's I've been backstage, guys. I've I've done all I can. I've walked around back there. Just it's just a really funny bit. Dude, I thought you were gonna Fizzy sit down there. So she says, she says, I think it would be appropriate if we all just side together to get it out. And she said on three one three, no, this is serious. Is One to three, and most of the crowd joins her, and they're all just like Ah, and one guy is like, I want my money back. In this room full of people just side this is a joke though this is isn't this suck? It looks like a moment and just sigh and they all went, I can't do the whistle. I was gonna do that with you. Um Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened. So then she says, to make it up to you, because I know this is a pretty big inconvenience, we're gonna give we're gonna give you ten of your hotel room, she said. She said, uh, we're gonna give you. I think they did, say, like a five percent refund for the value of whatever this part of the event was going to be. And an extra hour in the ball pit, which is a part of this event I haven't told you about yet. One of the biggest dreams for this event. From the very beginning, this admin who was fifteen dreamed about a giant ball pit, like a giant conference hall size ball pit, and it was one of the main attractions. Everyone was so excited for the ball pit. Well Day of the event. Wrong, I'm not making any noise because my mouth is just my jaws on the floor right now. Day of the event, the company that they rented, giant, showed up and they're all right, we got this ball pitture and they were like, yeah, we'll pay you after. And they're like, no, you gotta pass before. And they're like, what, we'll pay you after. They're like, well, if you're gonna pass after, we've got a different ball pit for you. And so this was the ball pit for this event. For those listening, it looks like a life raft like it in it's in a gigantic room. It was so bad that the event actually went and they rented another bounce house to put in the room. There are kids in the ball pit still. That's what's amazing that they still used it. Yeah, and she's wearing what is going on with this picture. The thing about this is that Haley Williams. The thing about this is there wasn't a time limit on the ball pit. She said, an extra hour. Look at someone. It's a cardboard cut out that they put in there. Shut up, yeah, that's a cardboard cut out they put up in there. No it's not, yeah it is. That's a cardboard cut out. No it's not. It is it is a cardboard cut out they put up in there, UM and so. And the thing is, there wasn't a time that cat years that makes sense. It wasn't like you had to go like rent time and you got an hour in it, like she said, you have an extra hour. It's like, well, yeah it is. What do you mean with an extra hour? We have unlimited hours in there? Until you guys take it away, like what are you talking about? But it's it. It looks like and this is not a joke. It's like the size of my inflatable hot it really is that amazing. And so the event ends, they had like four or five different panels. Um, we're going to sigh in the ball pit if you want to sigh in the proof side, which is also what Kansas City we did as a city after the super bowl loss. Was Patrick Mahomes came back. was like, guys, that was a big bomber. Well gathered in their own headed side the loudest signed history. I mean for a sigh, I mean not a lot of deciples, but for a side, it sounded like a real strong wind, you know, just like a people walking by were like, well that was quite the gust. I heard that gust yeah, so to the event ended. Um. Afterwards, uh, Meg had the audacity to put up an article on the website about how none of it was really her fault, but she apologized anyways, and actually everyone who came it turned out didn't like us. And she said, and this was on July eighth, she posted this, and she said, if you want to refund, you haven't till to claim your refund. In the middle of the event, they did go and change too that there was uh no refunds for cancelations of talent and a thing like League of legends is not responsible for responsible for uh yeah, so uh and then uh, rumors after the event say that Meg uh just went and got another job. Roxane apparently is pretty successful, UM, which I don't know if that's true. Apparently low ki or Kane uh he got arrested for shoplifting out of Walmart. And so yeah, they did promise to do it again the next year, and then that didn't happen. They started because everyone was like, no, we're not going to come to that. They fart of the seventeen year old girl they put together in a moticon that was supposed to happen the next year. Um, and it was the same. It was Megan Kane together. Um what happened to the thing that never happened? She just went on with her life. She went to college, Um, got a job, she went to trump university, and she fell for scheme after scheme after scheme for as long as she's currently an airborne salesman. But she uh. But Um, some people say that this was the shifted tumbler that made everyone better because during that whole thing, tumbler was a part of it, and they were just making fun of it like crazy and like memes of that. UH, like one next hour in the ball pit became like a huge me with the picture and it would say, what do you think that Z? It could have I doubt it, but it could have. It could be a contributing factor. Um, that just made him really negative. So would you say, this is Gen z's Pearl Harbor right down? It's funny. Oh my God, sneak that in there. Well, mom looks like I'm going to war. That's what I'm saying though, is that like Pearl Harbor changed the you know, the greatest generation whatever. That's hilarious. So yeah, it was a massive disaster. Everything fell apart in the end. Um. Very few people actually got a refund. No one really knows what they did with the money, a bunch of people trying to I think that they I think they maxed out and paid everyone that they could. Well what it does sound like there is a rumor that to cover some of that cost whenever the hotel was coming after them, that they they had all their volunteers Max other credit cards to pay for it. Because these people that have credit. Um, so it is just a disaster all around. Um, but made for some funny content. Imagine that some of those kids that Max other credit card are like making monthly payments on that still. Yeah, and they're like, yeah, it's like, freaking I got a lot of old navy points once I got some sweet jeans out of desk. You gotta Spencer's Gifts Credit Card that you're freaking charging. I don't know, Work Tumbler kids shop. Um. Yeah. So anyways, at the end of the event, they said, hey, we need a good way to wrap this up. Uh so what if we hire a puppeteer, a very talented puppeteer from Kansas City before we leave. I think we should all, I'm in backstage signing a lot. MM HMM. Everyone gets one hour and forever allowed. Two things that the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor, audio by Alice Garnett, video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Kleb Goldberg, and our social media is run by Kayla Barker. 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Hey Man, oh, nothing much. Oh, let the much. I don't know how to respond when you do it, unless I say okay, well, Hey man, all right about have you ever heard of, uh, the Isabel Stewart Gardner museums theft? The Isabel Stewart Gardener Museum theft. Yeah, we could refer to it as a shortened name, the Gardener Museum theft. Okay, because that is a mouthful. I thought you were gonna be like the bell start, just take off the s. We canna go by the shorter version, named the Bello Stewey, just short every the Bella Stewey Guardi Muse Um. Okay. So is it a museum about gardeners? It's lows. It's lows, it's still, it's lows. Yeah, imagine walking into a lous and the employees are like, welcome to our exhibit. But they don't talk that loud, though. No one of museums talks about enough for you to understand word they're saying. I don't understand welcome, like. What do you think the paintings are gonna be like in here? I can't be beautiful EXEC that's how I feel around my neighbors, though, when I'm son tanning outside. I saw you know, when I'm out there, like, I can't be beautiful with as much noise around. You know, everyone shut up so I can be pretty. Why do you gonna be quiet? Museums and libraries, people are at least reading. Libraries make sense. People are reading museums. Museums and people are just looking at stuff, like. Yeah, it would make more sense if you had to try to not be seen by anybody. Like I just creep around museums and if you got spotted, he shot on the spot due to the museum. Remember. So season you die. No Tim I was way too loud. Welcome to the museum. Remember. If somebody sees you, you die and you're like I just heard like ten people say that. Where are they quit looking around. They're doing it right. Can you play the theme song, but play it real quiet. The Uber drives like so you can't duct tape your head in my car. Dude, if I was uber driving and somebody trying to get in my car looking like that, as long as I'm here, it's mine. I want my cut of the crime. gave all these todd they have a lot of it hitting everybody. Yeah, things last night. So the Bella Stewie Gardner Museum theft? Uh So, this is where is the is the Gardner Museum? Yeah, okay, Isabella Stewart, Isabella Gartner Museum. That's the that's the Isabel Stewart Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum as a museum in Boston Massachusetts. Sure. Uh. So this was a heist on. I thought you were gonna say Boston market. It's a museum inside the Boston market. Would you guys like a new corn bread? Goodbye, that figure shot. That's a weird museum. This is good. So far, so, except for my brother got shot. If he could leave a review, he'd probably give it, but he can't leave a review. So this is the largest art heist in modern history. This is an art museum. If, yeah, you're the heist happen? Um, it is, thirty years on, still unsolved. Okay, so the arts stolen in this heist? Um, the pieces. Yeah, I mean, I know that you're uneducated, but that's fine. Yeah, so the arts stolen in this heist at the time, our value that two million dollars in the nineties. Yeah, today, Um, detectives. Detectives and art enthusiasts, uh, say that they think they would estimate it to be worth around seven million today. Hey, you're really close. Yeah, I know are. I own like several pieces in art. Name in art, Name and art, Name and art. Okay, I don't actually treat art that way, you know. I let it tell me what its name is, and that's how I've accrued over one point three billion dollars in art, people, three billion dollars in in an pieces. You know, asked me if I can name an art. Can you name an art? Finger painting, Arthur Reid. Yes, I hate you. Keep whatever. What do you think? So what do you think? Do you okay, I'm not wearing a watch. I keep feeling how naked my wrist is, but yeah, man, put some clothes on. Yeah, I know, it's just what those things where my arm feels super light? From the listeners. He says he feels naked because he's not wearing to watch. He's also also complete leave naked. It is really hot the office. Yeah, we can't post the video of this episode. You know, youtube bone allow it. Okay, so this heist up and that's art. That's what I'm saying. You know, it's doing this. Our podcast is okay. So here's he's a little bit of background. We gotta lay a foundation. Isabelle Stewart Gardner. She was a woman alive in the eight hundreds. She was art enthusiast. I don't know why this is so hard for me to not laugh while saying this, because she was dead. People make you giggle that people are funny, man. Okay, that's not all right. Is the Stewart? She she she was a famous art collector in the eighteen hundreds and she opened up an art museum in nineteen o three to show off her art. Right. No, it was her collections, her collection of art. She doesn't do art. Yeah, she's not an artist. She would never go somewhere and say let's do art, she would say. She would go somewhere and say thanks for doing art, for me to see art. That's all, and that's a good one. Uh So, uh. She opened up this museum in nineteen o three, this curated collection. She had spent her whole life curating Um, and then she died a little while after that and she left three point nine million dollars, or three point six million dollars, and that that day to curate and continue to operate her, her museum, which ran out of what was her home, and so this is like a historic building in Boston. Um. But again, I wish that I was rich enough in my part would be. What if I had one point three billion dollars of art in my apartment in my Kansas City two bedroom, not the best apartment, you know. Yeah, that's pretty hilarious. Um, okay. So, so how much is like the Mona Lisa? Worth a lot. Oh yeah, but I'm wondering what's the dollar amount on it right now? Let's see, Lisa Vallewo. Could somebody buy it? In theory, I mean I don't think that. You know who owns it. Who owns? So current estimate is fifty three million at the three point seven million dollars. I would imagine it's worth more than that. But I mean, like, let's say that in in nineteen two it was assessed at one hundred million. So this is conflicting. The current assessments conflicts the painting. Who Owns Leonardo de Vin diesel's? Who Owns Mona Lisa? He didn't laugh, but that was a good one. Yeah, I don't recognize this guy. I'M gonna put this picture on the street. I don't know, I don't want to see. Okay, we could move one. So okay, but stop. He actually owns the N F T version. That's what I was trying to I was gonna make a joke about Da Vinci's n F T. I think Bluuve owns it. Okay, yeah, I was acquired by King Francis, who he died and you know, like three years ago. Um, and now the French Republic owns which is kind of dumb. Like. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like there are certain pieces that are like that's got to be owned by a government. You know, French Republic debt. I'm just curious if they could get out of debt by selling. Hi, Dave, how are you better than I deserve? What can I help you with that? We're trying to get out of a little bit of debt situation currently, where three million dollars in debt. Um, oh, but there was something like that. We're trying to get that out of a little bit of debt situation and currently million dollars in debt. But we have the Mona Lisa. Well, I think you should sell that Mona Lisa. UH, that's part of Abe's deep number one. It's actually with three. I did not notice till the very end what that bit was. I just thought you didn't get it at better than I deserve. Yeah, I just assumed they were calling some dude from the US, somebody from the US, to be like we are wondering about some financial advice, and you were like, all right, he's just gonna do some dude from the US. I got a call from the French last week and they asked me how to do text. Would you like to buy? They're trying to sell it through cold calls right now. They're like, Hey, we had this half sling shot. Would you like to purchase it? All Right, okay. So this museum. Yeah, she set it up and she she left it to run it, but there was some strict stipulations. It was one of no renovations of the building. Keep it the same. It's my house. Don't change it to too, don't buy art, don't sell art, don't move art, leave everything exactly how it is. If any if you don't follow an you my rules. Yeah, what do you do? Like what? She can't stop me. Yeah, she's like, I'll take the money away and I'll take your soul. Yeah. So, yeah, so it's pretty strict stipulations on. So she's definitely haunting whoever stole this stuff. We'll get there. So in the eighties, this museum had been operating for eight years. is running out of money. Um. Well, yeah, so they've got three point six million dollars that they've just kind of had on operating expenses. I don't know where their finances right at the time, but they upgraded their security system and so what they said was they installed a bunch of cameras to the outside of of the facility and some motion sensors on the inside and then created like a police switch where they could call the police when at the touch of a button, you know, Um, kind of like McDonald's. Um. But eight after they had installed all this stuff, um, that they had like an independent security revere. You or show up. It's like a consultant. Okay, yeah, it okay, uh. And so he came and he said your security is really bad. It was. It was. It was that discovery. It's the staples easy button. It's like, whoever sold this? Do you scammed you? And like yeah, it was this company called staple. You get scammed. So, uh, it was that discoverych other show. It takes a thief, remember that show? Oh, and they try to break in its people's they do break in, they steal all your stuff and then they give it back and then they set up your house security, but they don't fix your broken doors. Um. And so, uh, it was basically that, but without the show part. So it's just kind of like this is uncomfortable. Um. So this guy broke into the museum and told them all the stuff that they did wrong. Um, and he had a couple of big notes, he said. One he said, you've got all these cameras outside. You got all these cameras outside, no cameras on the inside. He's like, so, if I can get inside, I'm pretty much home free until I gotta leave, until I have to walk out all this art, I mean inside, inside, I could do whatever, whatever I want. Yeah, but you just need to get cameras inside. That's what he said. I'm gonna tell you what, though, if that guy hadn't carried it all out the front door, we wouldn't even he wouldn't have got caught, you know, if he would have held onto it and he would have lived the rest of his game inside, if he would have the rest of his life. You just walk around museum every night. So do you work here kind of like that? Yeah, you can't see me on the camera, so I guess what you could call what I do work. It is a labor of love. You see all this, it's mine. I'm the captain. Now you're like, okay, I stole all the art in here. Know you did. It's still here. Yeah, but I stole it. Yeah, but I'm still here. It's like it's slave here. It's fine, okay, quiet down or you're gonna get shot because I'm here. It's fine, keep your voice down. This is so stupid. So and then he said. He said, okay, you've got no cameras in the inside, only on the outside. Get some cameras on the inside. Then he said here's another big problem. Um, there's only one place in the whole facility where you've got a police button. You need to have these police buttons all over the place, because what happens if your security guard isn't in the security booth to push the police button and he needs to push the police button button and near it gets some more police buttons. Uh. And then and then he said okay. Also, a lot of other art museums at the day, or just museums in general at the day, they had this policy which one hour every night they turn all the cameras off and all the police buttons off and they just let it be. Let's see what happens if you do that. They do this. Every museum does this. I'm a so this guy tells him what all these the museums do is every hour overnight, the security at museums will call the police and say, Hey, we're okay, and then every hour, every hour. Dude, I would hate to be the nine one one operator near a museum. You're like hey, now, moment, wants your emergency. Oh, this is just the museum. There's no no one. What is your emergency? Hey, this is just the museum, just calling to say everything's good. How are you okay? Can you please keep your voice down? Sorry, this is the museum. Just call it us. Everything is good. I'm fine. Thanks. Sorry. Listen, I told you, we can only I just need a update on how the museum is going. We can't keep doing this. Okay, but I just I broke things off two weeks ago. You have to quit calling. Yeah, but I have to. I know it's part of your job, but we can call, you can tell me how things are and then we have to hang on. I don't understand why we can't be friends. I just want to see you again. You know the rules. We're not allowed to see anybody. Click. I don't know. I like the idea of them, because they got to talk every hour. There's how to be romance. Oh sorry, Um, are you not operator? Um, UM, nine one one. Uh. Why? Why do you've got a relationship, you're broken up and you refer to them as nine one one. You gotta keep it appropriate. Um, okay, nine one one. I would just I would really appreciate it if next time I whispered you wis back. I wasn't worth it. Okay, so he said, he said, unless her name is Alexa, unless the nine on one operator's name is Alexa. Al Right, so he's saying call cops every hour on the hour. Yeah, he said you should do that, because then if they didn't call in the hour, then the police something's up. Let's go check it out. Is that a real thing? Museums do? I don't know if they do that anymore. I'm sure by now there's some technology that just does it for them. Um, there's a there's a room that calls every hour. I'm curious about that. That's interesting. So he recommended that they do that as well. Um, and then he said he's also another thing that a lot of uh museums do is they've installed turrets all in every room. She didn't. They didn't say that. But he gave all this advice, told them all the stuff that they should do and they just said yeah, they said that sounds like a lot of work. Yeah, they said, that's that's a lot of money. We've got the cameras outside. He's what they said. They said. They said one, that's a lot of money and we only have three points six million dollars too. They said, uh, uh, uh, Isabelle, she told us not to do any renovations and she's pretty scary. So No. So they just didn't. So they said no to everything. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this podcast you wanted more of it, please leave a review. That's super helpful to let others know who are searching for a podcast. And if you're new around here, we've been doing this for several years and there's plenty of episodes to check out. 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We can be like, you know, we always we knew why she didn't know. You know, we understood, we went to counseling, we did our our due diligence and so we know. Um, anyways, uh, two years later, uh, March Eighteenth, security guard Rick Abbeth, aged twenty three. Um, was also they shouldn't let young people be security guards, you know. Yeah, that was actually another thing that this reviewer said. He said, well here, because has let babies secure the villain, that there's no way they don't do anything right. gave all these todd they have a lot of it, everybody. Yeah, burglar or not. You know, that's why they thought they'd be go at the job. And it's like, well, you know, you need to descritch. Child Labor. Laws were different when Izzy stew was alive, you know, but she left the stipulation in her will that babies have to secure the building. Babies. Only she had some weird thing where she always pronounced a baby lawn and she thought that a powerful nation in the biblical times was baby lawn. You know, incredible. She wasn't Sparta. Yeah, anyways, so the Rick Abbath was on security and yeah, and he after the fact, he told the news that he was not excited to work that day because Um, he was hungover from, uh, the night before, which was Patty's St Patrick say, I was going to say that. Yeah. So, UM, he was really upset that he had to work that day, um, the overnight shift. Uh. So he had the whole day to rest, but I don't know. anyways, and so he came and worked the overnight shift, like he came in the night of the eighteenth. Yeah, so he drank all slept, had all day. It was like so hungover. And you know what, that's what I get mad at when people are like kids these days. You know, it's like no, no, no, no, kids all days, kids, kids at any time. I have never wanted to do with job. So he he clocks in for his security being. Um, yeah, and he is. He's a the nighttime security guard with a new ninetime security guard. He had this guard had security there before, but just not at night. This is his first night shift. His name was Randy Hesstand. His age M Oh, I was I was saying this the second gup, but that the reviewer are. One of the things he said was, hey, we need you need to pay your security guards more, so that way you could attract better security guards because they were paying just a touch over minimum wage. They said if you pay your security guards a little better, you get security guards that are good better. Um, and these guys don't know how to use a taser like that's bad advice. Don't bring up that up to me right now. Did you know? We hit a hundred patrons on Patreon? And Uh, that means I'M gonna pay a minimum wage twenty three year old to taste him. It's not gonna be now, it's not gonna be good, but you're gonna get tasted. Jared's been hanging around them all and been like, Hey, want to make seven fifties, seven just at the Independence Mall too dude. So hand around, lurking around, just behind forever, twenty one, and just like hey, you want to make seven dollars and fifty seven cents. No, it'll only be an hour. Yeah, yeah, you to commute to our office. You also have to provide a Taser and then just taste the guy. Yeah, what I've been doing at him all we could have been sending him Amazon tasers. They're pretty good. Yeah, if you don't know, if you just started listening recently about I don't know, what like three seasons ago before my brain was fully developed. Yeah, we made this plan, made this joke, this joke that I would get tasted if we had a hundred patients, at which time we would at the time, there was never a possibility of hitting a hundred. Yeah, we just didn't think we were ever going to get there. Yeah, and I don't know if you can hear in the background of this episode, we're currently building a vault Um to store my art and also to taste him. We're gonna taste me that they're gonna lock me then. Yeah, so I'm really sad about that, getting taste. So, and we're going to hire these people who do it. So the reviewer said pay more, pay, pay your security guards more, because your security guards are bad. And then he said they were bad like they just didn't catch him or what. Well, he didn't go rob the place. That was a joke, but he thought he said that your security guards are minimum wage security guards. You pay more, YOU'RE gonna get hired more qualified security guards, maybe someone who was like a Navy sealer or something, and they're like no, I'm gonna do security, someone who's just passionate about protecting art. Yeah, you never know. Uh. So, anyways. But instead they got a guy who shows up the day after St Patty's, almost twenty four hours after partying on St Patty's, and is complaining about plenty of a hangover. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, Um, he's like, I can't believe they've made me work during the month of St Patrick. It's my birthday, but that's a big brother reference every Um. So, uh, rick out of his his behavior this night. It was a little hot. Um. So, which one of us is? Which one of us is the suspect here? Richard or Randy? Are we saying, Richard, there's no suspects. Yet, this rick. Yet, this is the this is the so rick is is. He's hung over. He's Hungover, he doesn't want to be here, but he's doing a security thing. And so the policy was one guard stayed in the cards room, Um, while the other guard did the rounds. Okay, so that way, because of the way the security system set up, someone always was able to push the button if he had to, and then they had walking, played video games. I want to walk route. Yeah, so he's walking his route with his with his flashlight, and something strange happens while he's on his round. Um, a bunch of their fire alarms start going off in different rooms. Um and so, me, me, me, he's like, is that it's still a fire alarm? Is it a fire alarm? Perfect, I can call that one one. It's been on. Oh, exactly, he pulls it. He pulls the Fire Alarg I missed you. Okay. So he's doing his rounds and he's going in these rooms with the alarms are going off and he's like. He's like, I can't find any fire, and he's like, I can't smell any smoke, and so he keeps going on all these rooms. He's like, must be a malfunction. So he goes back to the guard's booth and he turns off the alarms and says there's nothing to it. Continues his rounds and Richards still in the guard booth. Yes, yeah, so he goes back and he's still in the guard so rick goes back and Randy is still there and Randy's like what's going on, and Rick is like it's fine. He's like, the firearms are going off but it's there's no fire. So it's okay, and so he turns it off. He's probably smoking in the rooms. Is probably what happened? Honestly, most likely the nineties. So, Um, so he could continues his round. He's, you know, doing his rounds. Um. Most sensors are catching him going in just about every room as sensors. Yeah, okay. And so they're catching him going just about every room, as you would expect, because he's on his rounds. Uh. And then at one point during his rounds, without notifying his partner, Um, he just goes to one of the back doors and opens and shuts it a couple of times, uh, and then just continues his rounds, which is something that he didn't do another rounds. Well, it's something that he claims he did, but it doesn't seem like you normally did it. So anyways, that's an important thing. Just in that remember that he did that might be suspicious. Might be might be suspicious calling Um, I mean while there was a hatchback out front for about an hour that a bunch of other people noticed as they were leaving a party that night, like a super U. Yeah, yeah, back, just part parked out front and sitting in the front seats were two police officers really, yes, and a bunch of people just as soon like those police just got off their shift or something and they're in their super just just chilling outside the Isabel Stewart Gardener Museum. And so these police officers hung out in the super. Rot Back for me back there and they're like, everything's fine, I don't know what you're doing. They eventually they got out of there. Hatchback. Okay, we got this on camera right because it's outside. Yeah, they walked up to the front door, they buzzed in and they said, hey, we got calls of a disturbance in the area. Can we come in and check it out? And at this point we had calls to the servants in the area and it's lucky that we've been sitting outside for three hours. We just happened to be here in the area. Could you let us in? Yeah, and so Randall Randy at at this point. Randy's now on his rounds Rick is in the Guard booth and Rick says okay, which was not their policy. Normally, if police officers would show up, they would call the police look a little different to their their pants are really short, like those wearing short, short police outfits, really tight down. We gotta call of, you know, some activity over here, and we got sit here by and ricks. She said You, yeah, she did. All right. Well, I guess we'll let you in. Just like clearly not not police officers. I'm just picture like the wrong com where the dude falls in love with the nine and one operator. Oh I love this. Yeah, we did a bit about the phone Gal. Oh, yeah, that's that's a good okay. So Rick let him in, which was not their policy. Normally the policy was called the police and be like hey, there's some police here. Are they police or are they police? And then they would make a decision. But he was just like come on in, and so then they come in and they're talking to him through the Little Guard booth window. Right, and Rick, in his report I was talking about it said one of them was a shorter man, one of them was a taller man. The Taller man had a mustache that seemed pretty fake. Um, did you say that? Yeah, and the that's what I'm saying, like there's weird fake mustaches and like the chip here, two of the microphone. This is chaos today. So that's what I'm saying. It's like they're just wearing party city police uniforms. Yeah, uh so, and I'm like hey, we're the cops. Yeah, they're like like is it cool if we look around at the disturbance? And he's like yeah, I'm sure, whatever, I'm coming over and so and then they're sitting there and one of the cops he says one of the cops just kind of looked at me reard for a second and then it was like hey, can you come out here? And he was like okay, and so he walks out. He's like you look a lot like a guy that we've got a worn out for and he's like turn around, and he makes him turn around and he handcuffs him and then earlier used. What I'm worried about if we hire a minimum wage security guard to taste you, is that you would just be able to talk your way out of it. What's the idiot who is the security guard would be like yeah, and then like yeah, I guess you have. You look like you don't have any cuffs. I've got something. I guess I like this guy. Look, it might have been me last I was crazy. I'm still hungover. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what uh? When the police first showed up, he'd called Randy was like hey, the police are here, you should come back and so as rick is getting handcuffed, randy comes up and they're like hey, turn around, like turn around, we got a few too, and he's like, he's like Oh, okay, and he like starts putting his hand in the back there and he says, he says to them, he says, he says, am I under arrest too? And the police officer was like no, you're being robbed, which is the most the freaking coolest thing in the world. And so, uh, the other I was like no, you're just stupid. So what? So they then shoot. Dude, you're short and I'm tall. Do we match the description? We were born four years after this, but who knows, I could just be an alibi. We could be able to my alibi. Thought I was born officer. It couldn't be mean I was born too late. No, you weren't reborn. Check my baptism certificate. Everything behind that is covered by the blood. Dude. I'm telling you, there was a kid in my youth group who, at a church camp, was like cussing up a storm and like he was. He was kind of like a I don't know. He wasn't the bully, he was definitely a kid who was getting bullied Um and I was one of the leaders. I tried to do my best or whatever, but like to bully Um Um, like I was trying my best to really, I get on, you know, really build up some confidence in the holies and yeah, uh, you know, build up some resilience in him. No, no, no, but he strained up. was like, you know, custom a lots, saying just horribly inappropriate things. And then later that night, after the evening service, got onto somebody and was like they don't talk like that and I was like, Hey, earlier today you said something way worried for that, and he literally went yeah, but I got safe tonight and I was like all right. It was like all right, yeah, am, I am, I saved. No, you're being robbed. So they duct taped their heads together. Why are you doing this? handcome tests. That's what I'm thinking that. What do you mean? They duct tape their heads to take their whole eyes and their mouths and stuff so they couldn't talk. And then what's interesting is they escorted them to the basement. Do this. We're not allowed to talk in the museum anyway. We have to be the basement, in the basement. What's interesting an interesting tidbit is they didn't ask for directions. They went directly to the basement. Um. So these people took them to the basement, handcuffed them to some pipes. Um when they were found. This is how they found them. So they actually like, oh, that's the way they taped their face is awful and totally unnecessary. Like they've got like a strip over their eyes and their mouth, but then they've just like wrapped it around his head like a few times, like, what are you doing? This is what he was just wearing as a security guard, though, I don't be honest, like, first of all, this is a terrifying picture. I also love that the matches are right Roy Pants. I'm saying, if I showed to a museum and the security guard is wearing red corduroy pants, I would be like, we don't even need to handcuff them. Yeah, just let him continue guarding that. I'm continue guarding, you know, and just tell him we're you know, my e might as well tell him where the gray and sons of easy stew and she wants us to come and take smart. Oh Yeah, she just called and said I need to come to they don't even know who she is. They don't know she's gone. Of course this guy, I don't this is victim blaming, but of course he got rocked, you know, because they're in the dark, like they're sitting in the dark. Yeah, they said they were stuck down there, which sucks. Um. So, yeah, bummer for them. And they couldn't talk to each other. Yeah, they were just tied up, Um and so, uh, what's very interesting is for thirteen minutes the security system, like the motion sensors, didn't pick up any motion in the building. Uh. And so what the police think is they were waiting to see if the police got called, Um, to see if they like still for thirteen minutes. Yeah, that'll just sat there in the basement completely still. A right. I think we're I think we're clear. You guys didn't call the police. Do Too. How are you going to answer? Their heads? Their head there's dictape together. They're trying to signal. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of perks like add three episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking us out. So then, after thirteen minutes, the first room picked up motion Um and then they went room to room and what they did is they took the the frame off the wall, which set off an alarm. But that alarm, all the alarm did, was set off an alarm that the security guard would then say, Oh hey, it sounds like something's happened. They were in the basement like something's going on, because the idea for all it did was make a sound. So then the security guard but pushed the button to call the police, but they knew that. They knew the button was only in that room. So when that alarm went off, the robbers did yeah, so when that alarm went off, they knew no one was gonna call the cops. They just smashed the alarm and then just kept working. And so for eighty one minutes. They went room to room, took frames off the motion detector. Doing that, we had no camera footage. Correct, no camera footage, but they went room to room taking frames off the wall, smashing the alarms and then cutting the painting out of the frame and rolling it up. Uh, and then, uh, after eighty one minutes, they left and you see them on camera and their little police uniforms walking out with all of these rolled up paintings and the what? This is a really weird thing that they took hold on. Let me get that name of this right. Is there like an image of them walking out? Um, I don't know. Actually, UM, they took a French Imperial Eagle, finial. Um. Let me actually throw this up so you know what this is. Um, which is weird because this is like literally zero value. Um. But it was in the museum because it was on a flag that Napoleon dynamite owned, sorry, Bonaparte, uh, owned, uh, and they sold this, but it had zero value. It's just one of those things that sticks at the top of the flag. So it was like, hold on, let me see. It was one to three, four, six, seventy nine h eleven paintings that thing and then, like a candles, a Chinese candlestick, Um, one minutes to take eleven paintings. Yeah, uh. And then, uh, yeah, they walked outside, got in their hatchback, their super rout back. What kind of vehicle was it is a red hatchback. That's got. We don't have any images of that, though. Let me see. So this is a picture of, uh, the security footage painting of the robbers in the middle. There they convincetioned a really good painting. Shoot, Dude, look at that top corner. Tell me that's not my dad. Oh No, oh no, I mean I gotta find a picture of my dad in the nineties and you're gonna be like, Oh, crap, um. So, yeah, so, I mean you see him walking out there, but you can't tell anything. Yeah, it might as well be the ghost of of Isabella. Yeah, uh. And so, uh, what paintings did they take? They took hold on, let me pull it back up. They took what I mean like so, you you steal a painting, you can't sell it. Yeah, so they took a bunch of paintings that you've probably never heard of. Um, there are one, two, three, uh four rembrandts. The most important one in there, though, is the storm on the Sea of Galilee, which is the only ocean scape he had ever done and it was a one of one. So that was really the most valuable steel on there. There's also a manet, a couple of Degas, money, m a n et not money, Um, and Vernier, um. So there's a lot of a lot of just random arts. Um. So, yeah, this value was valued at two at what's strange is they left a lot of much more valuable pieces in the museum. Okay, so I was wondering. So they didn't know what they were taking? Yeah, they didn't. They didn't have a concept of how much all this stuff was worth. They were just nabbing what they could and they left. UH, they put the frames back on the walls and because of the stipulations from Isabella, they've just got them sitting there because they can't remodel. So they just got these empty friends of them mop that is to this day. And so anything that was stolen is still the frames up on the wall and it's got his little placard on it telling you what it is, but it ain't there. Um. So yeah, so the police Um the next morning, the next shift of security guards show up to do security, Um, and they buzz in and nobody answers, and so they're like well what? And so they one of them had a key, so he keys him, goes to the security booth and nobody's there. So then he calls the cops and he's like it's the button. He's like hey, nine, one, one, and she'said. Not Again. He's like no, it's serious, I think something's happening. And so then they hang out outside because you know their children and they don't. So police show up, they find all these these empty frames on the wall and then they find those the security guards in the basement. They have been there all night. Um. I think it was eight fifty one in the morning when they found him. Um, and they're like, oh my gosh, did you get arrested? And we got robbed. Did you guys get arrested? MM HMMM. They got a tape over their mouth. They get um. So there was a couple of immediate persons of interest. Number One, Rick Abbeth. His behavior was very odd that night. Opening the door, clearly drunk, tape yourself, let the let the police in. Um. Very odd behavior and very vocally hated his job was was the experienced security guard on the shift. The other guy was not, and so he was immediately like target number one of person who probably did this or at least was connected to it in some way. The police took him in to interview him, Um and uh, and he was like it might be the real like he's never gonna Trust the police again. First of all, this question for am I being robbed? You're being arrested? No, yeah, sorry, I just I have trauma. You're being robbed. Uh. And so the police bring him in for questioning and they interview him and they do the interrogation, they ask him all the questions, they go through all this stuff and they end up, uh ruling that he could not be a part of it and rolling out of the case for the express reason of him and and Randy, the other guy as well, where too incompetent to pull us. Not Smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, and like no, there's no way. Yeah. So they got ruled out of this Um and so they said, well, that's what sucks about being smart. You know, people thinking crimes. That's exactly what you know. You're smart enough to commit a major crime. Don't ever put that on me. The next big, big target for who this might be was a guy named Whitey bulger. Um, okay, who was? He went by Whitey. Uh. Yeah, I don't know if that was his name or a nickname. A nickname. Actually, I can find out pretty quickly. Let's find out. Um, it honestly, could be witty. No, it's Whitey. His name is James. Went by Whitey. That's a criminal. Yeah, yeah, so he was the, uh, the leader of a crime syndicate in Boston known as the Winter Hill Gang. Um, and they were like, it's most likely, he's most likely connected to this, because he does, he doesn't, he does tons, tons of crimes. I hear criming. And so they took him in and they asked him for quite all these questions and he said no, but you tell me when you know who did this, because they owe me money. They did this in my turf, like they owe me money, they owe me, and they're like yes, Mr White telling the police, like no, I didn't do it, but tell me, when they mind, who did, because I want my cut, and you're like what? I want my cut of the crime? Why? You know who we are? Yeah, I know who you think I care? I got a million robbers who look like you. Well, that was one of the that was one of the reasons why they was bold to tell the police. I want to know because they owe me money. And then the police are like yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, yes, you can go down. Actually, thank you for coming in today. And they pay him, like what are you doing, like here's said of fifty seven. This is all, like I said, seven dollars. Thank you for UH. So one of the reasons. Obviously, he was like the leader of the big syndicate in the area. But there's a couple of things that were interesting because, one, he had a lot of dirty cops, and so they said that one makes sense if he was able to get some cops to come do crime. Um. Also, uh, he had a wasn't that be weird to be on a police force that you're like, I know some of these comps are dirty. Yeah, yeah, that would be like sketchy. That's difficult. Um, and he was also connected. It's I mean it's hard enough to be a co host of a podcast knowing that my co host is compromised. You know. Anyways, Um, he was also connected to the IRA UM and the I R S, but mostly the IRA, the independent regulators of agriculture. It was like a called back. I know, it's Food and Drug Administration, guys. Okay, you didn't. I didn't whatever. Uh, the Irish Republican Army, which apparently is like a sketchy organization. Um, and so he was connected the IRA and the calling card of the IRA was setting off fire alarms, Um, when there wasn't a fire, and so they would do that when they times. But it's odd that the fire alarms went off before anyone else was in the building, and so that would make you think that rick has to be connected to the to the IRA and to the event. If that. If that. Yeah, but they did the interview. Why? He refused to take a lot of detective test he said, I'm not involved and I'm not going to take a lot of tective tests. Give me my money when you find it, and they said yes, sir, and so they ruled him out of the case. Another, another suspect was Brian McDevitt. Um, uh, he was a suspect because, um, he was a Boston man who in Glen Falls, New York, Auston man's kind of Boston. If you know how they are. This happened in Boston round all the men. I don't know about the Boston man. We're not gonna leave here until one of you tells us who did it. Who did it? I'm covering the Harvard molasses. So, uh, this guy, Brian McDevitt. UH, nine years before this had attempted an art heist in Glenn Falls, New York, and the heist has some similarities. So what he did is he dressed up as a fedex driver, he carried handcuffs and duct tape and he planned to steal a rembrand painting. That was his goal. His target was a ram brand. Um. He also loved flags, and so it makes sense that he would take the little pull at the top of the fire. Loves flag. Don't know. Everybody loves imagine that on your dating profile you're swiping tender and someone's like, I love flags. What, Dude, flag day. He gets so high about flag day. Why don't we have any songs Friday? Like what? No, we didn't, you because you made plants on flag day. I'm not going to work on flag day. You guys. Yeah, it should be. It's I can't believe I'm even schedule to work the day after flag day, I would be so hungover. It's like the beginning of June. He's out there just hand all these flags from his gutter. We mean he's into flags, and they were like yeah, well, he likes flags, so he's probably a he just really like flags. Um. And he fit the description of the larger robber, like he looked similar to the larger robber and he's actual in the case. Um, the only problem was with the hide collection. Was the collect he tried to Robbin. Uh. Well, he dressed up as a fedex driver, did all the stuff, Um, and he stole a Fedex truck, went to go do it, got caught up making deliveries, you know, pretty close, got stuck in traffic and by the time he showed up the museum was closed and he couldn't get in. Rats. I thought you would saying he took the Fedex truck. He was like he don't need their packages first and then just started living out and he's been a fax driver ever since, driver, ever since. It's like there's a guy. Did you see the news story of the Guy who just drives a city bus who like just goes and steals busses and then just drives the route? No, or maybe it's trains. Does he do the train? Does he do with the train? I think it's the train. I saw an art of Cole and it was the busses too. Have to look it up, and something like that. There's a guy who took the took the train and then just, you know, took it to the stations. That's so funny. Um. So they interviewed this guy and they deemed that, no, he didn't do this, Um, because he was stuck in traffic, in trouble, I think, thirty months, Um, just for stealing the Fedex car though. Yeah, yeah, for stealing, for it was like stealing a FEDX car and and conspiracy to commit oh interest. So they didn't know that. When he just he was like yeah, he's always trying to do yeah, they don't give him that. The security guards were hanging out in their corduroys out front, like what are you doing, man, and he's like I'm here to rob you, and they're like you mean arrest us? Like, Dude, we're we closed four hours ago, blumber. Yeah, they weren't closed. That was just what they tell people. Yeah, that are trying to rob them. Yeah, they're consultant. We're closed. Funny. So uh, yeah, they ruled him out. The other UH big turning event was in a letter shows up to the museum. It's like your suspects have been born. Happy Birthday. Rely suspect Jeremyer's and timstone. They don't know each other yet, but they did this crime. One day a time machine and there. Cut that out out, take that out, sleep it. One day they're gonna one day they're gonna get a time macheet and at least give a little bit of context. So so this letter comes and basically this person was saying hey, museum. It was a letter of the museum and it was like hey, museum. UH, they're like, Hey, we know who who did the crime. We don't know them, but we've been talking to them more pen pals and they're ready to send the art back for a small feet. But yeah, what they want is they want the reward that you're offering at this point. They're offering a ten million dollar reward for anybody who can find the art, because they're like, we miss our our owls, and so they're like they'll, they'll send that to you if you wire the money. To this offshore account. Don't worry, they've got them in a climate control space in a country that doesn't have any laws. This is a noncommon law lunch country, lunchry, non uncommon law country. Uh, it is what they said. They're like they got a climate control safe. It's safe, okay, but sending the money to an offer account and then write something? uh, write a note, a coded note, in the Boston Globe, on the May first edition of the Boston Globe, so we know it's you, and say hey, we were doing it, and then we'll send this to your door via Fedex. There's a great deliver and you can have your art back. And the FBI was like sending back a letter, tell me we're doing it, and the fbis they did, and then they never heard from him again. Um, so they sent the money? Yeah, well, I think the rehearsal got a little too real for him and so then he just didn't show up anymore after that. They send the money, though? They didn't send the money. So they sent the letter back to say okay, we'll do it, and they actually printed the thing in the Boston Globe, I think. But then they never heard from the letter writer again. So Um. After that the police were basically just like, we're pretty sure it was someone from the Boston Mafia, but we don't know who. All right, in nineteen the FBI was like we know who did it, but they said we're not gonna tell you. We know who did it, Dude. They're like the caddy little mom at church WHO's like, Oh, I you know, I saidn't unspoken prayer request. The FBI was like, we haven't spoken suspect, I don't ask me who. They came forward and said they knew, knew who did it, but they said, but the suspects are dead. Both of the suspects are dead, and they said we don't want to reveal their names because we don't want to reveal our informant because we have ongoing investigations that they're still informing us about. Um, and we're still trying to find the art. The prevailing theory is that it was a Boston mob member, Um, who had uh stolen these things, attempted to sell it multiple occasions but they couldn't get it off their hands. Um. And there is a member of a BOPs, a son of a member of the Boston mob, who said that they had a false bottom in their shed and under that false bottom he said he never got to see what was in there. But he said what? One day there was this flood and it ruined whatever my dad had in the bottom of that and he lost it. Um, and he says, UH, his dad died in the men two thousands. He went in there to see what was in don't know it was. There was nothing in there. And so the prevailing theory is that that guy was flooded it and those are gone. Yeah, and they're gone forever. And Isabella, that Ghost killed that Guy's dad. You ruined my paintings. Well, and flood of the base. She's like, if I can't have it, no one can. Flip. Um, that's spooky. There's just empty frames at the yeah, and so, yeah, they've just left the empty frames up there. Um, I am, at this point, honestly very confident that uh rick had something to do with us. Yeah, I think he. I think he got lucky because he's done and the police were just like, oh, yeah, he didn't do anything, he's too dumb. But I don't think he masterminded any of it. But I do think that the mob approached him and was like hey, we'll give you, like if you just get arrested tonight, you want to make seven dollars and video seven sins. Yeah, yeah, sure, I opened this door when the coast is clear a couple of times and then we'll come in and when the ghost is clear. Yeah, in the coat. You know what? Sure know when the ghost is clear. What do I do when the ghost is cleared? Because there's a ghost in there? You're perfect for this, exactly who we're looking for. Yeah, sweet calls, mom. I got a new job. I don't even have to quit my current job. I need to go to ripe man. Do you any like hangover tips? Yeah, very hungover. Sorry, mom, didn't mean to tell you that. He did find out, though, if you duct tape your whole face shut, that cures your hangover pretty quick. It's like he's like every time he drink everything, HEC Gosh, I'm not feeling great today, Grena Gard still at the club. Back to your u. The Uber drive is like, so you can't duct tape your head in my car. If I was Uber Driving and somebody trying to get in my car looking like that signy cancel trip. Can you imagine doing at Uber X and one of the other passengers. Soul ends just it's like, Bro, why did you do that? Help my hangover and hungover. Okay, all right, the other guy's just drinking anti freeze, like I've heard. I heard it freeze, so I thought maybe backwards. Yeah, you know, give me toothpicks for the sandwich. Uh. Wow. So that's the that's the I think he's got it. He's he's still alive, though. He's still alive. Yeah, I mean he's got to be. I don't know. We got to interview, but yeah, he would be. What if he was twenty three? Then it's been three years, mid fifties. We gotta try to interview. Yeah, that's find him lovel with us. Rick, one part of this. Do you think he knows how to log in the Internet? He's dumb. I don't know how, Tom you know. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he thinks every female and now when one operators his girlfriend. It's been a long time. I have no idea. Who is this? Who is this? Don't play that. Don't play games. You know who it is. 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Hey, man, what's going on? Oh, not much. How was California? Oh, I'm a blue haired hippie liberal. Now you know. I went. Yeah, the audio listeners. I have a lot of piercings on my face now you know. Um, no, it was great. I had a good time. I feel like trash because I did. It was nine days of vacation. We did two days in Vegas, two days of a family wedding. Oh Gosh. Have you ever had a Disney corn dog? Oh Gosh, I'm not joking. I'm not joking to Disney. Have you ever had you've had a fair grown court dog, court dog, corn dog, like a fairground, but that's like gross. I mean it's it tastes amazing. Taste amazing. No, no, no, here's what I'm saying. Taste amazing, but you know that the hygiene of the corn dog trailer at a county fair is probably a bar. Yeah, I ordered something that drive through the other day and it was early, like probably ten am, and the guy handed me and my food and his fingers looked like he had been changing oil all day and I was like you can keep it, you can keep my kee, keep my money, keep that belongs to you now oil hands. All right, that guy's name is court dog. So Um, no, you don't talk about like the deliciousness of a good county fair corn dog's tasty. Add Disney money behind that so that you trust the hygiene of it. So there's like that layer of like am I gonna die when I eat this is gone. So now you're just enjoying a corner and now it's just good and I ate quite a few. I'm jealous of that. That sounds great. Oh, what a good time. I feel. I feel disgusting. I've had milkshakes and Burgers and pizza and now that was my nine days of vacation and this morning I just breathed real heavy for unch for the week and I was like wow, I was thinking about health advice because I've been getting a lot of like tiktoks of like, you know, here's, here's how to eat healthy, whatever, and it is all over the place. Yeah, we we, we need to call this out, because we're not. We can leave it in, I guess. Uh, we're just doing tangents and I feel like you're gonna be like so, anyway, have you heard of aliens? Anyway, Oh, I saw it in your eyes. Godly, let's just get to it. Alright, roll the theme. Tim Texts me no context and just said I'm about to fight ever one of our Patriot supporters, and it was the Eiffel Towers. There's two of them. There's a sing shot, which is fitting because that was exactly a hundred years after France. Real, happy, okay, happy, okay. Things I learned last night. Okay, health stuff, okay. There's these dudes out here who are just like, every morning I eat eight Burger patties with the alvida cheese poured all over it, Bacon. The only thing is just don't eat the Bun. You know, you can like and like. That's their health advice. But the next video was a girl who was like yeah, I had four raspberries and for dinner I'm gonna eat a tic TAC and like that's what and he's just like this is so polar opposite. It's because nobody knows what they're doing. That's what I'm saying. It's all made up, like nothing real, but it is insane to me that like those, you know, big macro kind of guys that are just like yeah, it's all about getting the macro's Hi fat, like the Keto stuff, is just disgusting food, and they're just like, yeah, this is healthier than's like yogurt and for you. Yeah, yeah, but there. So my diet, you know, I have lost a hundred pounds. I don't know if I've talked about it before. Um, but if you eat, don't eat county fair corn dogs, but Disney corn dogs dogs. My Diet is whatever you want. Whatever you want. Makes some NACHOS, put some Mac and cheese on your nachos with a little bit of Cholula hot sauce. But the key, here's the here's the key. If you want to lose weight, listen to till, the podcast while you eat. Helps you digest differently, moves it through your system, cleans it out. The cleanest way to eat. Yeah, and we're just allowed to say it because all of it's made up. Anyway, what we're talking about? Have you ever heard of the Panama Canal? What have you heard the Panama Canal? Yeah, I guess. Is that what we're doing? Yeah, okay, yeah, don't worry, I can work aliens into there. They the idea. Okay, they said, you know what, this stretch of land needs river, river. The other English isn't great. Yeah, they're still learning. Uh. No, okay. So the Panama Canal, uh, you've probably heard of it. It's a canal that runs through Panama right here. Yeah, I love, love how we're saying Panama. How would you say Panama, Panama? How would you say Panama? Panama, Panama, Panama. We're saying that. Whatever. It's fifty miles long. Basically, there's a stretch of Panama where, uh, right there in the middle, the continents really really short earthan and Um, somewhere along the line of history, someone was like hey, this would be a great way to get through the country if the country wasn't there, UM, like for sailing. And that person was Charles, the fifth in four. He had this dream of turning part of this literal continent into a river so he could take his boats through it. So they were like, all right, let's dig it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had this dream, and so he actually like contracted some of his like engineers and architects to figure out if it was possible, and they said there's not a prince in the world who has the resources to pull this off, and he was like yeah, but what about a kick a thing? I'm not a prince. Prince, you losers. And for uh, really like two hundred years there had been dreams. One guy out there with a shovel. Two Hundred Years. Really, for about two hundred and fourteen years, there was Daniel Mayan, Daniel out there in the Panama Canal. Charles was like, you don't we'll pay you a lot if you did it, and he did it. The six will follow up with it. Don't worry, because they'll all be there will always be a Charles Um to pay you out there wasn't um so. And then there's just this long line of people who had this dream. Thomas Jefferson was one of them. In seventeen sixty eight he said it would be really nice if this country wasn't um and we could just take our boats through there, and that was a direct quote. It would be really nice if this country wasn't I want to take our boats directly through it. Signed Thomas Jefferson. He signed everything he said. Signed. Yeah, what if we did that too? Yeah, that's a great idea. Signed Jared Myers. Yeah, WE'RE gonna sign the end of a campaign video. So so what? What was with Charles the eighth or whatever, Charles the Um, Charles the fifth, in what year, was like let's cut this thing in half. Four, and then two years later, Tamis Jeffersone's like that. It was a good idea. Yeah, continually people just kept saying, Hey, like remember what Charles said, we should do that. But then everyone was like yeah, but remember all the people who paid to figure that out, and they said we can't do that, so we can't do it. And so they kept like sending surveyors and people to try to figure this out. But in Um eighteen, just off the whim of one guy who was like yeah, I bet we could cut that place in half pretty much nice. Uh. In the forties there was this thing called the gold rush and everybody was going across the continent to California to get some gold. Here's the problem. If you looking for last week, you know in some in some neighborhood in L A, just digging. I'm looking for gold, for gold. Um. Here's the thing. If you successfully, I don't know if you know this, if you successfully made it across the organ trail, Um, you're probably the last one you know that made it. If you succeed everybody died if you got gold. Here's the here's this rough part about this scenario, that you have to get there. You gotta take it back to sell it, and getting across, back, across, that's a tall order. I know. I played the game. And so there was this issue with the gold rush where everybody who was finding gold was struggling to sell their goal because they only had each other. Yeah, and there I got all those gold and I was like yeah, yeah, I don't want to. We're the only two people who made it. We both have yeah, well, you want to buy some. What do you wanna do with this gold? Well, one day I'd like to cut a country in half. To be honest, it's actually pretty close. UH, they said. They said, you know, traveling all the way across America is tough. Um, even today it's still tough. It's the worst bad drive. Um, but imagine doing that in in the freaking forties. And so someone was like, you know what, it would be easier to sail to the east coast through through the Panama Canal. But but there was the isthmus of Panama. But you ever named that? I hate them. Isthmus, Isthmus Isthmus Isthmus I need to bring something up. Um, please do I don't know. You've been distant because of your vacation, which is great. Enjoy your vacation. Disconnect, it's fine. Remember the last nine days. Yeah, were you talking about distant? You've been distant, or you really discord crap, Oh man, there has been a full war in the discord since you've been gone. Um, you just don't we got to book that out, uh, by the time this episode comes out. A few weeks ago there was an episode where I used the phrase white rabbit. Um, what you meant was red herring. No, I met white rabbit. Um. Our patrons seems to think that a white rabbit and a red herring are different concepts, but they are the same. Um, there's a there's a ven diagram, there's a there's a red herring. I want you to know, listen, that Tim texts me no context and just said I'm about to fight every one of our patron supporters and I thought, Tim, this is it, this is Tim's Day of reckoning. They found an old tweet. You know he's going down and uh, nope, Sir enough, it's just Tim's pride getting in the way here's the there's a thing, there's a D it's just a red herring. There's a diagram for red herrings, right, and you got the red herring and that is here, and then you've got the they overlap. There's a moment where, if they're different, if something's a red herring, it's throwing you off the scent, but if you don't follow it, it stays a red herring. It's just a red herring. A white rabbit is when you've chased the rabbit, and so a red herring becomes a white rabbit when you begin to follow that trail, even though it's false. Um, a white rabbit and be true, though a white rabbit can be just a waste of time. That's true, but not like doesn't get you where you need to go. I'm pretty sure the white rabbits. The thing that would make a difference is that the red herring is a true thing, but it has no relevance to the topic at hand. The white rabbit is a false trail that you followed. Yeah, may be right. Even still, all this, everything we've gone through, you pausing an episode to discuss the red herring white rabbit debate and me calmly explaining. Here's the small difference, and you win. I guess we should cut it out. But here's the thing. So now we have a new threead and we have a new thing. I started this morning. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. You're so into this. Yeah, I've changed my user name in the discord to the Lord of the rabbits. Yeah, and I declared up. You don't at Gmail Dot Com, Lord of the rabbits at Gmail Dot Com. Do you know what I have that? That's pretty crazy. It's only I wanted to meet the Lord of the rabbits. Oh well, here I am. Science seal delivered. So so, basically, you need to decide which party are you and are you a herring or are you a rabbit? I'm part of the hair and herd. H You, and you have to throw. You have to throw your Emoji in your user name so we can identify you in the discord Um anyway. So there's a full war. I don't know how it's gonna Resolve, but I'm losing a lot of money. I'M gonna I'm drunk for power right now. All right, if you're interested in the Panama Panama Canal. I'm really sorry that you've listened to all this. Sorry, sorry, we followed that White Rabbit speaking of the drug for power. Um, these people wanted to sell their gold and be really rich. Uh. So what they started doing is they took their boats for in California and they rode them across the ocean to Panama, to the Isthmus of Panama. And what they said is there's a port on both sides of this isthmus. If we it's easier for us to travel across. Yeah, it's a it's a fifty mile trip across. So they'll port, get everything out, take the fifty mile trip, hit the other part, take another boat up to new with all their stuff, make a bunch of money. That sounds like a bottleneck for gold thieves. Oh yeah, that's a good place to hang out if you want to rob people. Oh Yeah, if you want to get some t VP. Where is it now? Just curious. I don't know. When I was we were driving, I used to tell people that, well, that's a great place to hanging out if you're trying to rob people. We were driving around. Oh yeah, there's the West Toronto building, there's the World War One real that alleyway, great place to hide out. Yeah, that's my that's my rob stop right there. So pretty good. Oh my God. Okay, Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this podcast you wanted more of it, please leave a review. That's super helpful to let others know who are searching for a podcast. And if you're new around here, we've been doing this for several years and there's plenty of episodes to check out. One of my personal favorites is agent Garbo. Is a guy who went to the government during World War Two and was like hey, let me be a double agent and they were like no, and then he was like well, I'm gonna and so he kind of went off on his own did the thing. It's also got some crazy details about world war two, about how the US use inflatable tanks to trick Germany, all kinds of fun stuff, but if you want to go check that out, you can. Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. But here's the thing. Uh, it was still I think. Here's the thing that here's what happens when you get a lot called. Here's what happens when you become really rich overnight, but you can't spend your money, yet you begin to taste or your mouth salivates with the dreams of what the life you're about to have it. Oh, dude, yeah, me, as soon as I stepped on the Delta Sky Club, like I'm not, like, I'm not like rich, but like I get up there and I go, Oh, yeah, you're said, this is an unlimited buffet. Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure you texted me a picture of your food and you said this is why the rich are so disconnected from all of us Poors. Yes, because they get tacos. And I showered at the airport. They get tacos in the shower at the dude, I was in the airport taking a shower and for a moment I thought, oh, man, like I can, I can never go back, you know, and that's that's that's how it must have felt have a boat full of gold rolling up to Panama. Yeah, so they roll in their boat and then I can get it. And I'm making fun of the hold the Panama. You say Panama the way George W Bush says nuclear. Say Panama, Normal Panama, Panama, Panama. We're saying it the same way. There's a venn diagram a Panama, Panama. So you got your gold, you poured it one side of Panama. Yeah, and then they said it would be really nice this fifty mile walk, we have to do gold, if we could just not have to walk that, because they are already getting used to not walking. Um. And so what they did is they paid locals to carry them. Is they got the United States to build a railroad. You just went on without it. I was like really, I was like, okay, how many golds would you need? Come here across the isthmus? And it's still Daniel who was sent back in time from quick books. He's now he's a carrier. You know he's freaking did you say it from quick books? Remember that. It's a call back, but that's fine. Yeah, your brains dumb. So, anyway, there's our listeners got it because they're intelligent. Well, joined the rabbit. Um. So they build a railroad. Do you guys built the railroad. Um, and things went great, because now the US did it, because they were like, we can get all that gold money. Yeah, great, they wanted the gold money and they said we're powerful than you, so we can just put a railroad in your country and you can't stop us. Um, what it really what really happened, was more of a hey, this is good for your nation, because now a bunch of stuff is happening here. Um, yeah. So they were like, we'll build the railroad if you let us do it, and you got they're like, no more gold robbery. Um. So they built the railroad, but here's the problem. They built that railroad and then they realized, man, this is still pretty inefficient, because we're docking, we're unloading, loading the train, riding the train just to load another ship. And then they're like, man, Charles was right, this should be cut in half. We should just cut this country in half. And so a lot of people were floating the ideas back and forth, Um, and someone called this dude in France. He was like, Hey, cut it in half, and then someone was like no, no, they can have it. That's that's the Rema, that's the Panama. That's another Bible joke. Sorry, guys. So somebody called Ferdinand de lesseps. He's a French dude, Um, most known for building the Suez Canal, and he succeeded at that and got a little too confident. Um, he was like, he's like pick some land, I'll turn it into a yeah, yes, we canal. Did you say? I can? Now? I can, I can. Uh. And so he was really confident that he could turn this into a canal. Um, here's the issue about Um, the difference between the Suez and the Panama Canal, though, are the isthmus of Suremou at this point. Um, Panama. Uh, it was a very mountainous region with thousands of feet in elevation. Raised between this fifty Mile Span, Suez is just an empty desert, and so they just dig. It was flat. You do straight through desert. There's no elements, no climate, is just kind of hot. Um, Panama, rainforest, uh, mountains, bugs, snakes, bugs and snakes and stuff. Yeah, it's it's different. It's a different scenario. But he was confident. He was like, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna come here and we're just gonna dig straight to sea level through all these mountains and then we're gonna have ourselves a canal. And Uh, what year was this? Eighteen eighty one was when he started. So they I mean so in the eighteen forties of the gold rush. This whole time, how soon did the gold rush. Did they start running things around down through Panama? I don't know how soon they started running them. I know they they built the railroad in eighteen fifty. Okay, so it's been by thirty years of the railroad doing its job. And they're like, guys, this is like this is fine, but you know, it could be fine. You know, it could be there. Guys, this is big, but it can be bigger. Yeah, I have more, we could have more. And so uh lisps is like taking tiggle through the mountains all the way to the bottom, just a lot. Just take a dig and really get his hands in the dirt, just dig, digging all the way down there, getting all the way down to the sea level. And Stop. Eiffel. You might know him from his tower, the Statue of Liberty. Oh, no, yeah, you're right, Eiffel Tower. No, yeah, he built the Eiffel Tower. He built it. Yeah, well, he designed it. He was like, what if we, the people who get named after they don't do the work? They what if we built the tower? And they were like, he said, what would that do for tourist attraction? It was two sides of where the canal would be and it was the Eiffel Towers. There's two of them. There's a sling shot. He's like, we sling shut the boat across the the guy who made the eiff what about giant sling shot? No bad idea, and he said, I still built one and I guess we'll put it in France. I'm already halfway down with those projects. I'm already halfway done. You can't build the rest. And so that's it's just one side of a sling shot. The Eiffel Tower is half a slingshot. Is What your theory is. That was his idea. It was a little bit better. It was. It was the fifties, though. You know, you can't fault him, and you can't fault him. It was a little mouse in his hair. It was building. No, Eiffel was like. was like, bro He told Lips. He said, lesps, you're gonna try to dig through the mountains to sea level, like that's it's like literally ten thou feet of digging Um for fifty miles. And he's like this is gonna take forever and probably work. Well, Um, he's like. He's like he said what you need to do is you need to bring the ocean up the mountains and liceps was like, you idiot, do you hear what you're saying? You can't take the ocean up. He's like, we need to bring the land to the ocean. You can't take the ocean up. So you didn't listen to him. Um. So they started digging and uh, it took a while. They spent, uh, let's see here, um, eighteen years spent digging. Um, they didn't finish. They spent two and eighty seven million dollars in that day's money and equivalent of ten point two billion dollars today, just digging to not finish. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. It failed because, um, they were digging through these mountains and so they were regularly um having these mud slides that were literally filling it back in. Um. They're also because what happened is it's in the middle of a room. I told you, so I can start second tower. We can do we can begin step shot fools pride. I guess we we so the other issue was because they were in the rainforest. What was happening was they would have these big mud floods and then the bottom of these ravines would get very moist and then a bunch of mosquitoes would come and bite the workers and give them Hillaria, and so it became this rampant issue among the workers. They're dying. Yeah, by the end of the project, due to one malaria, two heat exhaustion and three getting buried in these mud floods, two workers died. Holy Cow. So a massive like over how long we're eighteen years, eighteen years, and it feels like a thousand people a year. It feels like somewhere along those lines somebody should have said hey, this isn't going well, this isn't going great, guys, Um. Well, that's what I'm saying. It is like the pride gets in the way of this. It has to work, and there is there is too, like once, once something like that happens, like once you cross a certain thresholds, like we got to do it for them, we have to make it worth then they died in vain if we don't do this. Yeah, and so really they did. That's so annoying. Well, not really. I mean there's so the French ended up pulling the plug and actually took liceps and a bunch of his organization. They made them declare bankruptcy and actually put him on trial. For it because they said that they weren't truth. Yeah, they didn't think this through, Um, but there was one guy in their organization, organization by the name of Philippe, but now of Aria, who didn't get in trouble, I don't know why, Um, and he stayed there and he said, you know what, I believe in this canal and I think this canal can now, uh canal, and the can in canal. So he was like, he was like, I cannot give up on this canal. I'm sticking, sticking back here and making sure it happens. So he started like digging by himself, day in, day out, nonstop. Still out there. He's predicting to this day. Uh No. So he started devising a plan of how he was going to make this happen. Meanwhile, the whole time that's going on, the US is like the friends are gonna pull this off. That's not good. We need to pull this off. Eighties still right. Yeah, who's WHO's in charge? I mean right now it is still kind of a hodgepodge. Like the U S has their independence, but they haven't rose to the prominence that are about to rise to Um. So, like they're still like climbing. There is a hodgepodge of European nations that have a lot of power. The U S has a lot of power. Um. That's kind of where all the power lies. Um. And so the US is like, we need that canal because if we control that, we control a lot of shipping across the planet and we'll get really rich. And so they defies the plan to build Nicaragua Canal. And so there's a stretch of land and their thought was through Nicaragua it's a much larger stretch of land, but it's not as mountainous, so there's a much more flat land through it. There are mountains that they have to do through, but much less mountains. There was also a giant lake in the middle of this stretch. So if they could just make it to the lake and then get on the other side of day can make it across to the ocean, then it would be theoretically smooth ceiling. Um. Okay. So they said we need to build the Nicaragua Canal. So they have been doing all their surveying, doing all the research, doing all our studies, sing out their plan right. They're making it pretty far in the process and then Nicaragua. was like, Philip, you a US Nicaragus, like we're right here, like we would say no to this. So long ago, you would have just asked what. We would have told you know, hey, I was just planning on digging a river in your backyard. Already, got all the things priced out, got a contractor they're actually here to get started. Um. And you're like you're excited about that or not? No, uh. And so Philippe, he says, so Philippe. Philippe says the US is our last chance of pulling off the Panama Canal. And he says we gotta get them off this Nicaragua idea. And so he goes. He calls it the president and he says, Hey, I see you thinking about the president of the time. I don't know, I don't know. I don't remember anybody before Georgia. I'm pretty sure it was Roosevelt all that. Uh. I'm like, Oh, mckinney, okay, McKinley, McKinley, I was gonna say it's not. He's from Ohio. Um, so so he so, Philip. Yes, so phelipe calls up, the president is like Hey, you think about this Nicaragua Canal? Thing. Cool idea, great idea, but he's like, but have you guys noticed all the volcanoes? Who just thought about the it's really bad there, you know. Have you thought about the real estate there? Have you talking about who long term investment? Like, yeah, you're not gonna get a lot in your won't get a big return. About you are? Oh, I thought. Have you seen him? Nicaraguan rivers in Zillo Lake? Think about it. You've seen a lot in Panama. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of perks like add free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six six. That's till into six six eight six six. But thanks again for checking us out. So phelipe was like, Hey, McKinley, you're trying to build this canal through Nicaragua. What if he said, have you guys thought about the volcanoes? And they said no, and he said, yeah, there's a lot of volcanoes over there. I didn't need to blow up a bunch like you need to watch out for them. Sure, and so like this is like whenever one of our female friends will start dating some dude heart volcanoes, though, like somebody yould go to his living room. He's just got a bunch of paper mache volcanoes, like hundreds of people like you as volcanoes, though. That's a red flag, you know. You go to you go to somebody's house and they's got paper mache volcanoes over lots of but have you considered the volcano? He's got a room full of volcanoes. And so this guy, you would like, this guy. Um, he starts because he wasn't sure if, like, they were convinced yet. So he starts sending a bunch of letters to just different officials in the government that were like involved in the volcanoes, photoshops pictures of their volcanoes and their families and just trying to make it a letter from the volcano. Don't build them. Don't come into Karagua. You know what to do. That's what it says. It's really threatening letters from volcano. It is volcano in Nicaragua has been threatening me, like me and my family. Yeah, I can't fly. The volcano knows my kid's names. I'm a volcano. My Dad was a volcano, his dad was a volcano. All hailed a volcano. Okay, so you know he's much more subtle. So he would send these letters like of like honest communication type letters. Right, sure, but he I don't know where he found these, but he found Nicaragua had a set of stamps that had volcanoes on them, and so he would send these letters to like with these its just like hey, happy birthday, oh my God, volcanoes in Nicarag wouldn't you see the stamp? Have you seen the stamps? Nicarag was stamps volcanoes on them. So eventually, man, Hey, McKinley, what even thinking about lately? This is just thinking about volcanoes. He's dreaming about him. He's wake up a mill of night and so he started having the conversations. He's guys. You know, they're famous for him. It's almost already built. The volcanoes they're almost already erupt um the earth. Already built the volcane. You haven't even started building your river. We've got a river almost done. Half, yeah, we just see the other half ship. Or we also we have half a river and half a sling shot. Whichever was so many ideas. whichever. What do you want? You can have and build that. And so eventually he convinced the US, and the US was like, okay, how do we pull this off? And he said, don't worry, let me go talk to the Pandemonians. I hate how smooth you said it. That's what got me. I need to go talk to the Pandemonians. Okay, ahead. So he calls him up and shows up there and he starts setting them stamps book he does on them, and they're like, I don't understand the context of this job. Okay, he said, I'm just trying to get rid of stamps now, I go too many of them. At the time, Panama was in his own country. There was the WHO who ruled it. There was the Panamanian people, Um, and they what are they called? I'm really I'm pretty sure Panamanian. Okay, Panamese. Panamanian. I'm like Panamanian Um. Pandemonium. Dude, this is just one of his educated guesses. This is like really, it's just a Greek God statue. He's pretty confident. It's Panamanian Um. They were a people that were there and then Colombia was like hey, you're us now, and they're like no, we're not, and they're like yes, you are, and so then they're so this at the time was like my mom asks, you're one of us. How much do I have to pay you for you to be my girlfriend for this wedding? You know, I mean we have another island. I mean, yeah, we have a whole other people group. They're on another island. You would theresa. It's going really well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're happy. Uh, Huh, great, this is awful. So the someone says they're happy, late, really happy. Okay, happy, okay. It was like like what do you guys been up to lately? Just being happy, just love. It's very happy. Yeah, we're never going to see her again, are we? It's a Panama's bitter about the whole work Columbian now things, uh, and columbmonium. I'm I'm pretty positive. And so felippe shows up to the Panamanians. What if we could get you to where you were Panamanian and not Columbimonian, and they were like that would be great, like that would bring Pantamonia. This just did. Bantamon is seceded from club parmonium. This okay. So they said that would be awesome, but we don't know how we're gonna do that because Colombia has a military we do not. And he said, Hey, guess what, you know the United States. And they were like, like that really big country. They're like yeah, they want to help you, and they're like no way, and he was like way. He said Hang Out, wait for my signal, and they were like deal, and so then he went to the US and he said okay. The panamins said their mom said that. If your mom says yes, then you can say the night were there, they said he said, Hey, look the Pantom Pana Panamanians. They said, you can build the canal, the catches. They want to be their own country and so they're gonna revolt from Colombia. They need you to stop them from getting reinforcements to Panama. And they're like, we can hang, we can handle them in our country. We just can't handle their reinforcements, and so the US was like, yeah, that'll be easy, and so they take their gun ships and just park it outside of Panama. And then Philippe caused the Panamanians. He sends them one stamp with a volcano and then they revolt. They do the thing to get back to Colombia. Columbia is like, Oh, we need to go to reinforcements. They take their boats, they see the American gun ships and they said, hey, we don't care that much, it's fine. Yeah, no, yeah, I was. I was driving over here anyway. We were just looking at in the neighborhood. That's wild. Yeah, yeah, no, I was just I was door dashing. Yeah, sorry, sorry, we're I'm heading home. Yeah, I gotta get out here here. Yeah, that's UH. So. Yeah, Panama became a country. The United States with the first country to recognize them as a country. Um, and then the United States was like cool, build the canal now, and they're like cool, yeah, I do that, and then they built the canal. UH, they finished it in nineteen fourteen, Um, and it was very disappointing for the canal people because the canal people. Yeah, well, right before the war, right before World War One, all these people just started coming out of the canal. They called the Canal People's. No one knows where they came from. The yeah, well, wear one was canal people's Um. Now the canal people uh, like, who built it? They planned this big ceremony where they're gonna in fine. Also, at this point it's who has built it? This is the American government's paying for it. Yeah. Yeah, so they the United States and they hired Felipe Felippe, and Phelippe actually called his old friend lecepsceps this time was like yeah, maybe we should do that thing where you was like, Oh, yeah, I'm actually in prison for killing two people. So I don't think my ideas are the best. Yeah, and the the US was like we got gunships, we can get you out of in Um, and I don't know how that happened, but anyways. Yeah, so he came in. Well, he didn't actually come, he just kind of from France told everyone what to do. Um, but anyways, they he said Look, sea level rivers dumb, uh, mountain level rivers cool, and so he built these locks, which, do you know how the Panmic now works? It's you're saying that like you do know, I'm serious. It's pretty smart. So what they do is they bring the boats in and there is the calm locks and it's almost like an air lock, and so it locks in and then what happens is there is another lock that is a higher level water and it drains in and then matches the level of the water and then the gate opens and it goes through and closes and it just repeats this over and over as it raises the sea level of the canal until they understand. Okay, let me explain it again. Do you have a visual I'm kind of serious. Do you have a visual? Um, let me grab one. Essentially, what they're doing is, have you ever had like two cups and you like poured from one cup and made them the same height? Yes, that's what they're doing over and over again until they get up to the highest height in the mountain and then they've got a canal all the way across that highest height. Then they get to the other side and they reverse the process. Okay, but how do they get the water up there? So here, let me get you get your graphic, because it didn't fill with the rain. Now there's a lake at the top. Is that real? I'm having trouble picturing this. Let me get you. Let me get your graphic. I need to get one that's a little bit more this show was hosted by two idiots. Okay, so boats come in, this thing shuts off the water. Yeah, so there's there's a gate on both sides something. Yeah, it was finished. They started in one. So there's two gates. The gate that they came in from closes behind them. The Gate in front of them is already closed, and then they get in there. And then what happens is, if you're well, start at the left. You're coming from the Atlantic Ocean. You go through the Gaton locks, and so that first one is the same level as sea level. You get in there, the gate closes behind you and it goes up really high, and then the next level, the water lower. Water level lowers to where the water levels even, but it's higher than what it was before, and so it lifts the boat up and once it's even, then they open up that gate and then the boat goes through, the gate closes and then they repeat this process over and over again. So you're raising an altitude just a little bit every time you're going through until you're at the altitude of this Gattoon Lake and then it goes all the way through and then reverses the process where now it's descending the water level. So that's empowered by how are you doing with gates? It's just pumps, so they're just pumping the water through. So there's like underground pumps that are pumping water through the next gate and there's a guy, there's a there's they got a troll that was probably steam powered. Steam was the thing at the time. That's very interesting. Okay, it's pretty crazy, and this is still functions today. There's a lot more like like electricity and computers and stuff now, but it's the same concept in the water. Yeah, they get shocked. This one was super electric. Okay, yeah, it's pretty smart Um. And so that was the idea to go up the mountain instead of dig to sea level, because you can see in this graphic, if they dug to sea level there's still a lot more dirt to dig out. That would take some time. It's really, really clever, and so the people who built it were super proud of it. This is honestly one of the most impressive engineering marvels in recent hits. That's what I'm saying, that it's pretty crazy, really, really, very, very impressive. I think why? There's a lot. I thought on this day hotel the other day if, like, if civilization fell apart. I mean I know how wheels work, you know, but I don't know how like axles. I couldn't like yeah, yeah, it's like there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff like, oh my gosh, yeah, that's how the bronzes claps happened. I was thinking about you know what I thought about it. I was looking at as in the hotel and I was like, how is this elevator working? I was like, because it's it's doing different weights. But like, anyway, that's impressive. People are smarter than us. People are smarter than us. Man, so stupid. But so they play in this big event, right, and they were. They invited every nation in the world to come look at the cool thing that they built and they had a really fancy boat that they were going to take the whole trip on and everyone was gonna be like a parade. Everyone's gonna be on the side with their flags and their cigarettes and their fireworks. Uh, just like celebrating the whole thing right the day that they planned. It was literally, gives you not like two weeks after World War One started. And so people were like, I don't want to go. If they're going, you tell me they're gonna be there. No, yeah, so they canceled it. And so, because this happened, it wasn't the first ship that traveled through. Wasn't this like pretty boat. It was like a United States warship. Um, Nice. So, which is pretty fitting given how they got the United States. Yea. Um. And so they built that. Uh. And then the Panama Canal since then has had a pretty rocky history. Uh. The US, after they built that, was like this is now the canal zone and that's a part of our country, and Panama was like that wasn't the deal. They're like this is Panama, and they like no, this is the canal zone, and they set up all these like I love canal zones. Whoever decided to just fold it over on itself, whoever decided to a four and a half canal? You know what I love is that? Okay, so, like let's say you got the Pepperino, the cheese right, the canal thing pops up and then like the cheese melts into the other canal area and all of a sudden you got a raised up. Honestly, the science behind its incredible. Pretty it's a modern engine canal zones. So they said this is the canal zone, and what they did is they built this city just kind of all along the canal zone. Um, that was in America. Yeah, it was. They did this in the ninet twenties and it was what you'd see in the US. They built these schoolhouses, everybody there spoke English, they put up American flags and like it was the US right. And then just along this river, and Panama was like, Hey, this is a raw deal. We got here because they built this giant canal. Yeah, they're operating it, they're getting all the money from it, and the people who are traveling through it sometimes they'll stop, but they never go into Panama City or any outside of the canal zones. They're spending all our money and stuff where in the U s area, not where we benefit from it. So we're not benefiting from this at all. We literally cut US IN HALF and we're getting we've got nothing to show for it. Um, and they actually became like this big division of people who live in the canal zones with people who are out and it became like this big Um, just a big cultural in the canal zone. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, Kansas City, Missouri and Johnson County. Yeah, the Canal Zone. Uh. And so it all kind of erupted in uh when the US sent common nineteen, yeah, eighty nine, common nine team, which is fitting because that was exactly a hundred years after France was born. Okay, so are wrong. I mean I guess. I think Taylor Swift is responsible for the paramount canal conflict. So the US sent ten thousand troops to just kind of occupy, uh, and it turned into this pretty long war. Um, that resulted in two thousand uh in January, first two thousand. The US was like fine, it's yours, Panama. Um. And so now they own the canal and they've done a bunch of stuff, like improvements and stuff to it. They've widened it, wid didn't it? Now you can fit fatter boats, you can turn your boat around, it won't get stuck. Um. That Suez. Uh. So Um. Yeah, it all began literally five years ago with a dream from a guy who had honestly no right dreaming about that. He was just like, oh my gosh, that'd be cool. It would be so cool. No need for it, just kind of like literally on the other side of the planet, like he never would go over there pull up a map. I want to. I kind of want to dream for a little bit. You know, two white guys of the PODCAST. Let's pull up and figure where we're going to conquer. Yeah, where can we? where? We can now plant my flag? You know what I'm talking about. Where can I? Yeah, can it now? The new TIKTOK series can now now? I don't know. I'm not interested down here. I'm interested in like the other part of the world. What if we I wonder if there's a spot in Missouri can we put a canal in Kansas City? Can we build a Kansas City Canal? Surely Is there a spot right here? That can't be too long. That's a lot. No, I ride that on my bike. That's not too long from Lake Wakamas to the river. Maybe right here and you gonna cut it all the way where to downtown. No, I'm saying like just right here in this a spot where we could buy a small plot of land and just dig a canal for the joke. Yeah, support of my patreon. So we can make canal to here. Mm Hmm, Yep, right here, wanted't it be so much faster if we could sail at thistle, because right now it's too sharp of a turn. We want to build it like what is it like? A yeah, Oh, yeah, that's the river. Yeah, that's just so stupid. What a dumb bit. Let's get out of this I'm looking at now. Yeah, there we go, keep going, keep going, keeps me. Okay, that's all right. Yeah, that's a good spot for a canal. That's interesting. So anyways. Yeah, that's uh, that's the Panama Panama Canal, crazy history. Um, my favorite part of the stamps. Yeah, I love the that's super passive aggressive. I enjoy that. Yeah, it's great. It worked. It worked. To think the Panama can now would never exist if it wasn't for some guy's stamp choice. Yeah, that's good, butterfly. Do you think if we put the Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty next to each other, because they're both from France, right? Yeah, yeah, I think I think you could loop something around the torch and build a sling shot. Sling shot. Yeah, Oh, what would you sling? Well, what I sling then this Jick eatic sling shot. This feels like a weird, like street interview question. What would you sling if the Eiffel Tower and statue liberty would next to each other? But it's like a riddle for some reason and it's like I don't know anyway fiddle off. Things on the last night is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. 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Man, why did you breathe? Welcome to welcome to tilling. What's what's up? Oh, not much. I was just wondering. Have you uh, have you ever heard of five thirty six a d? Five Thirties six a d? Yeah, like the restaurant, yes, really does, selling a restaurant where they just serve food and they're it's like a caveman themed yeah, because they don't understand when Caveman's existing. I was thinking five BC still still wouldn't be caveman. How many restaurants, how many restaurant tours do you know that are just like, you know, historically accurate people. I mean, have you been to a dinosaur themed restaurant? No, those things are not historically accurate. It's pretty accurate to me. Did get to you, I guess the form to the right, like I could do your job if it was fast and air conditioning. Okay, that's my mentality for anything. Do you think we would still do our podcast the world isn't Ingham and son didn't come out anymore? Is that your nose at the plague? Throw up with the river. You're not gonna see the sub ten years, Bro Years. Things I learned last night anybody works at rainforest cafe knows what a rainforest looks like. They could have a point one on a map because they've seen the rainforest cafe. Five thirty six a d what happened in that specific year? Oh, Um, a bunch of scientists think it was the worst year to be alive. Oh, I don't know. You know, we've, we've, we've been alive the last couple on. Let's the last couple of ones. Let's well, I mean, if you want to, let's take a deep dive. Let's take a look here, could we? I wonder if we could put a chart up on the screen here. Yeah, what do they call it back then? What they call it in like year twelve? They're like it's twelve. I actually don't know that. It's happy year. You know, it's it's you. Yeah, how are they doing it? Yeah, it's just a two and a zero. Yeah, yeah, that'd be rough. No, so the year five, D uh, it was. There's a few things going on. Okay, we'll start. We'll start from the top. It was an interesting era for Rome because about a hundred years before that, uh, the capital of Rome, Rome was sacked. The Rome capital was Rome, Rome, Rome Rome, Rom. Welcome to Rome Room. It's like New York, New York. That's where New York got the idea from. From Rome Rome did it? Like we're New York, New York, like Rome, Rome, Rome, Rome. Actually, I'm not certain that the capital was Rome, but I'm we're going with it. Rome Rome. Neither is the restaurant tour who owns five. Welcome to roam Rome. That's what they call the little robot surfer they've got that goes around. That's Rome Rome. Yeah, you don't notice he's got Rome built on his back. It's a Roomba, ro Ro, rolling around the room. And this is my son, Roman Rome. Okay, I died of this, so don't good. Um, somebody stacked Rome. Uh. And then, uh, Constantine happened. You know, Jesus into Noble, all that story. If you don't know it, it's in the Bible. She's not in the Bible. Don't try to look it up. Um. And they slowly bounced back and it became the Byzantine Empire. They were like it's not room anymore. Name is something very different, um, but it's still wrong. And then so the realm's like, we're still alive. We're crawling back for life, but it's really fractured. There's shirts to say Rome will rise again. You know, they can't take us out, they can't. They can't take us down. They can sack room Rome, but they'll never sat constantinoa. Somebody pronounces roam. Yeah, this is that Um, but it was fractured. So the businestine empire was a bunch of like little almost city states that were like, we're Rome and everyone's like, but that guy's not room Um. You know, this is starting to feel really familiar. I was track. And so they're in a rough political climate. Um, and then the year five thirty six happens and some interesting things happened. Uh, and it's been a long road to get here, for us to understand what's going on. Um. Yeah, I mean years there was a lot of uh, there was a lot of writings and archaeological finds, but up until the nineties nobody paid much attention to how they connected the story. Like nineties, yes, sorry, the five nineties. No one. No one paid attention to how they connected the story. Yeah, because so there's a bunch of fractured archaeological evidence that pointed to the story of five and why it was the way it was up until the nineteen nineties. It was so disjointed that no one connected those dots of all this evidence year. Yeah, this is all one year. And so in the nineties, uh, things started to come together because there was a group doing core samples of the ice in the Arctic and they pulled out this core sample and it looked like this and they're like that's weird. Um. Why? Why is it so pixelated? It is very pixelated. Weird. Um. No, if you're listening, basically they took this giant core sample of ice that goes down like a hundred feet and it's just a bunch of normal ice and then all of a sudden, Um, it's just this really dark dirty ice and then like some dim, dim, dark dirty ice, very dark dirty ice, and then some dim dirty ice and then like a little ring, yeah, of of just black, yeah, of ice. It was bad ice. It was the Ice Goth era, Um, and uh, the scientists were like, well, that's peculiar that that would happen. So then they started digging more of these cores all around the Arctic and they kept seeing the same results. So it wasn't like a localized the ice just got really dirty there for a little bit. Um, there was something pretty widespread. So it wasn't happened in the art and artic. Yeah, but they didn't have an explanation for this, and so all these theories started to abound, like comets and volcanoes and tidal waves and Um, vacuum cleaner that. Yeah, you know, the normal scientific theories when they find something weird. Um. Meanwhile, at the same time there was this dude at Harvard who really likes trees. Why? That was so funny to be and I gotta hold on. Am I am I right? Oh, I did realize in the Oregon episode that I said the F D A was the federal department agriculture. It's not. It's the Food and Drug Administration. Yeah, I'll let you have it. Yeah, I was dumb. I realized that later, like almost immediately after he recorded. I was like, Oh, stupid. Anyway, Um, uh, he's really into trees. Is that? Oh Gosh, is that harbor? Are Wrists? Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. Okay, Arbor is Arbor, and Arbor at Harvard trying to say Harvard Arbor, Harvard Arbor. The Harvard Arbor was telling his barb the Harvard ar the Harvard Arbor was telling his barber. Yeah, there you go, we just meane. Okay. So, uh, he was looking at a bunch of tree rings. Um. I literally was about to make a tree ring joke when I saw that ring of the dirt and I was like yeah, well, he was looking at tree rings and he found Um, there was this period uh, dating back to the same time as those ice rings, where the trees, uh, we're really upset. That's how he said it, that's the words he used. The trees were really upset, Um, and so he studied all of this conversation so far sounds like something I would see on twitter in someone was just like the trees are sad. If everyone could just like get it together, the trees are like depressed, so sad. There were no happy little trees. Only. Why did you desert your dog? First of all, I didn't desert my dog. Okay, I tied it around that tree because that tree needed it as a support, because the tree was sad. Support the trees. Yeah, same thing where I did with my firstborn kid, labradoodles for trees. Wait, what? The tree was sad and I was like you know, what you need is a child's son. Yeah, I've read the book. Are you the giving tree? Are you the giving tree? Here's a child, here's this child, here's this okay. So he noticed that the trees were sad and so he started taking a hole batch of trees and looking to see if all the trees were sad. And what he realized was it wasn't just in Europe, it wasn't just in Greenland, it was worldwide. Wherever he found a tree, um, whenever he stumbled across, just planted limb. He just walked around with his axe. I'm sure that contribute to their sadness at all. He said, this tree I cut down was sad like years ago and also now. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked it, would really help us out if you leave a review or a comment on Youtube, if that's what you're watching on, and if you want to check out another episode, I recommend Julianne Kopki. That was an episode all about a woman who survived a ten thousand footfall from a plane without a parachute, landed in the Amazon. Absolutely bonkers story, uh, and it was pretty fun. We had a lot of fun jared and I in that episode. Uh. So you should check it out. It's one of my favorites right now. But thanks so much for being here. Well, what he was doing was he was looking at Um, because here was one thing I thought, Um was, where is he finding all these trees that lived years ago, like still, that are still alive, because trees, you don't know how old trees are. Yeah, trees aren't years old. Some are, some are. Yeah. So I looked at that. So, UH, most trees don't live past a hundred but there are. Most species of trees can have the potential to live a thousand plus years. YEA, most of them. Most of them don't. Most of them don't, but they can't. But there's some people, some freaking freaks out there. I mean I'm really old, I'm very old, um, but some this. So he was cutting down pretty big trees. Then to figure that out, he had to be cutting redwoods and stuff. Yeah, this is Bristle colmb pines. They can exceed three thousand years. Yeah, that I was saying. Like I went to the like, we went out to uh, General Sherman, like the largest living tree on earth in California, and you think it's like when you're driving up there, you're like this thing is not gonna be worth it because you're wined and round around. It's pretty stinken worth it really, oh dude, to stand in front of this ridiculous creature that is I mean the base of it is wider than our whole back wall. Really, Oh gosh dude, it's bonkers. This is saying that. Well, I don't know how old that thing is. How old was that thing? Like over two thousand years old? Thing to look at it and go this thing, it was like this tall when Jesus was here. How does it feel to be so little? What Jesus was rare? Um, this thing is saying that, you know. Oh, yeah, like, what's this one called? Uh, that's in California too. Yeah, this one is the oldest confirmed age. Yeah, and it says it's years old. Yeah, it's old, Dude. That's like older than Egypt. Yeah, and it looks like it. It looks older. This looks like an art installation. Yea, if that tree could talk, it would go so healing. I don't want to please, please, just chop me down. I was five. I'm a SAGURY. Please take me out. Chop me down. This harvard armor is going around cutting up trees and realizing they're all really sad california anymore. They sticking limps, limps thee. What if the tree keeps up with politics? Years Old freaking boomer the trees? I don't know. So I think a year old person would sound like. Would sound great. Probably Fair. Fair. What do you think that year old? Hundred, forty eight year old hundred trees. That's different. Do you think you could kill that? One Tree or trees? Okay, this anyway. He's chopping down trees. He's finding out a different thing too. He's bringing his own hatchet everywhere. He's just chopping down trees. Yeah, like, what do you do? But he he got a lot of data together, got thousands of little trees and say they're all sad and all the trees. was like, we gotta Trust You, I guess. And so, uh, this group of Harvard Arborists and Uh Ivy League ice diggers. I was trying to find a way to do that. When it was tougher, Ivy, the Ivy sers Um, they got together, they joined leagues and they figured out, Hey, I think this is connected, because it's you know the same time. You got dirty ice. Yeah, you got dirty ice, we got dirty trees, trees, trees, dirty ice. What else can be? Fine, so they started. They called the archaeologists and they're like, Hey, what happened in five thirty six? You got any evidence? They guess you would have to look in the caves. Why? Because that's the next oldest thing I could think is, like that would be there would be evidence in caves, right, because caves are obviously been around forever. Yeah, but five six, it's not like people were living in caves then. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying for evidence of people, I'm saying like for other confirmation of nature of damage. Yeah, yeah, Um, so they yeah, they said. They said, how are we going to figure out what happened here? Um, and then so they called the archaeologists. They said you see anything, uh, in find six a D and they're like yeah, not only was the ice dirty and the trees sad, but the people were dead. Um what they were like, yeah, that so here's what happened. So they found some letters. There was a historian who was even D and uh, a few years after the fact he was writing about that. His experience at D and here's a direct quote. He said the sun gave, gave forth its light without brightness. It was like the moon during the whole year. Um. And then there was another quote that said that the sun was like a light blue shade in the sky. Um. And then there was another one, another letter somewhere where, that said that it was it was noonday and we we couldn't see our shadows and we marveled at the fact that we couldn't see our shadows. And it was like this for over a year. It was just dark. Yeah, it was. It was remember that eclipse that we had. It did that, but it stopped. It just froze. It was like a disc. That was so are they are they suggesting that the something blocked out the sun for a year, essentially, and so this, this really stumped scientists because they were like what, what happened? Yeah, what's going on? And so a lot of theories started to come up, everything from volcanoes to comic strikes to tidal waves. I think I mentioned all these earlier. To See people, to see people's Um. What they ended up landing on was there was a volcanic eruption in Iceland and it was so severe that it spewed so much action to the sky that it literally blacked out the sun for eighteen months, um. And worldwide, worldwide, there was a fog around the whole planet because this, this was so severe and it's evidenced by Um. Worldwide, the rings on the trees and the ice sheets on both Poles were covered in like this layer, layer of what. Okay, it's just dirty Um. And then then everybody in these like the archaeologists, they had these writings, but they never thought much of it because they didn't connect the dots. Like they it was, oh hey, this person studying round found this letter about it was really dark months, someone running in China who was like yeah, this guy talked about it being really dark months. And then they connected them all together and like Oh, this was all the same time, um. And so what they think happened was obviously like that eruption happened and it created this fog that made it dim. But as a result the temperature in the summers dipped by thirty six degrees. Fair Knight. So Uh wow. Needless to say, crops struggled, everything struggled because they didn't have so the trees weren't the only thing that was sad. Yeah, the corn was sad. Gets Sad, little corns. Um. Yeah, that's when baby corn was invented. It was invented. Yeah, they were like, Hey, we could just make it small. So I just want to confirmed that. You think that people were like we should just make small corn. Yeah, well, they were growing cords, normal corns, corns that year they couldn't grow all the way because it was too cold. So they just grew little baby corns and they're like, you could still eat them, and they're like, Hey, that's not half bad. Let's make those again next year when it's a warm again. Only it wasn't warm again for another like fifteen years, but years. Yeah, so there was so here was it was exasperated because it wasn't because of all their cars. There's so much of missions. Uh. Yes, this, this guy, has exasperated because there was that eruption right overnight. Overnight it stopped. It never ended, the nights didn't there's no more day. Uh. And then the fog was worldwide. Dipped the temperatures and then it took a long time for things to spipe back. Even as the fog began to clear, well, what they discovered is that years later, umve forty four years later, there was another volcanic eruption in Europe. Kids break, and then a bunch of fog close to as severe as the other one, and then seven there was another volcanic eruption in Europe, I believed, and because of that it just kind of left the climate in this what do you think I would do to us today? It would be pretty cold. Well, I mean like yeah, but I mean like, do you think we've got the equipment technology to like purify air or like, because people not clear away. But I'm saying that people had couldn't live in that. People just live with it being yeah, they did. They just let they just lived in volcanic ash and they's breathed it in. Yeah, I know what I'm saying, but I was surely that killed them. I mean, yeah, surely a lot of them? Yeah, for sure. Um, some people who are just tough like just make it through. But yeah, I mean it, we did out the week ones, for sure. What are you talking about? Like, I don't know. Do we have any writing about the people living there? I mean a lot of people have survived it. I guess maybe they wear masks. I don't know, like I don't know. I haven't thought about that. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future. Go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcast, spotify youtube. You'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight, six six. Thank you so much for being here. I mean, we've probably all wear masks. Do you think we would still do our podcast if the world was ending in the sun didn't come out anymore? I mean we would have to China light in the darkness. What is this? Is My flashlight. I thought you were going to give me nuxt and so I know what happened to me the other day and I was really mad about where was I? Oh, I did a show. Afterward, went to go shape the guy's hand as he's coming up to the stage and he just didn't do it. So, in front of everybody, I got snubbed. Did He? Did he see it? I think so. I think he saw it and went. I just kept going, you know, and I was like all right, man slashes tires from the parking on that. Before I left. I was like, I'm not gonna let you treat me like that in front, in front of everybody, in front of over, in front of everybody. Come, I filled his car with volcano ash. You're not gonna see the sun from ten years. Broy is this volcanic ash? Where did you get this? Oh, there's an Amazon seller who sells it at the five gallon bucket. Yeah, I mean I think it'd be pretty severe today still. Yeah, I would think so. So there was obviously the crop failure problem. So people were hungry, people were starving and I'm sure you're probably right, there's probably a lot of people who were dying of like respiratory stuff, respiratory stuff. Yeah, there was also a war that was going on in the middle of this. That continued. Um, so that was pretty bad. Um, so this this whole season, was a war happening. Yeah, there was a war. was just one of the sides of the war being like we're gonna make this really inconvenient. The other side it was like the United States Army. Yeah, like we figured out how to make volcanoes erupped. Yeah, we didn't figure out how to make it just affect you, though. So it's gonna be all of us, sorry to the fog of warry trees. That's why they were sad. They felt betrayed. They're like this was our own, our own army. Um, and so the volcano has made it a pretty bad situation. Um. There was obviously yes, Um, and then yeah, so then it was the first bubonic plague. happened. Um, it was a plague, volcano, war going on, a war going on, and I don't know if you remember learning about the bubonic plague. It was serious. I'm so serious. They named it after the emperor Um Justinian. Um, so that's a good thing to be remembered for. Um, they're called the justinian plague, uh, and the estimate is that a third to half of the population died in this plague. Um, and it was pretty peculiar because the way it always earth. Yeah, and it's peculiar because the way it started is you would get like this lesion on your palm in your hand, and then within a few days you'd be covered in them and then you die. Um, and so it's like very severe, highly contagious, and they didn't understand germs yet, and so everyone was just carrying around all these plagued bodies after they died and like throwing them into like the rivers and stuff. It was like get rid of them, and then they go drink that water and then go hang out shake hands with people after their sets. I bet that's why he didn't do it. Which one of us do you think has the plague? Do you think he thought I had it, or do you think he knows he's got it? He saw your palm and he's like that Palm Looks Pretty Babonic. That guy's got a bubonic palm. Got A plaguey palm. If you're plague palm away for me. Um, and it spread super fast. And so it was. It was as if the situation wasn't bad enough already. Well, I mean like you couldn't tell if someone had sores on the dark outside. That's why we got that's why it spread so fast. Is that a bump on your palm? Oh shoot, is that your nose at the plague? Throw him in the river. Okay, uh. And so then, I mean, when you have a situation where a third to half the population dies in a short period of time, um, that's not good for the economy. Won't somebody think of the economy? It's hard to do business in the dark. It's already hard enough. Yeah, I can't hold it, can't sign a contract from my hand hurts from all these sores. I can't get the trees to do anything the time. You know how hard it is to be around with his passive, aggressive trees, like there's creating oxygen and they're just like you're like, oh my gosh, dude, it's like having a teenager in the backseat who's like the trees are just begging you to ask what's wrong. They just want you to listen. Yeah, they just want you to listen, and they're like that's the lesson for today. If you're a walk maybe just go why don't you go listen to a tree today? What are you doing, man? Yeah, just listening to how are you feeling? You know, it's really m are you being a tree right now? Both people. I tried. I'm I'm a passer. You chopped down the tree to put it out of its misery? Yeah, do you? What do you do? You Chop it down, or do you water it? I don't know, like, how do you help a treat I don't know. We're not arborists inside this bit. So much so the trees are said. There's a war going on, the sky is dark and the people are dying from the plague and the economy and shample and the economy, because you got you got bad crops, you gotta go, you got a war, you got the plague, a death rate. Yeah, what's your UN employment? Of just of just the people who definite play, but you've got people who, I'm sure you're right, I'm sure there's people who were having respiratory problems. I'm sure there was people who are dying in the war. Um, and so it was. And then I'm sure there's people are dying in starvation. And so then you have all these people dying, which meant there was less people to crop stuffs. People. Look, there's people to farm, less people to build, less people to do everything. There's people to food, we're talking about, and so so so the economy completely installed. Um and a lot of historians say that this was the shift from, UH, the era of antiquity to the medieval era and maybe the dark ages, because all of a sudden pretty much every major dark ages. Ah, this sounds so. They the historians, say this was the end of the world for a little bit, at the end of the known world there. Yeah, at that time, because every major society had historians who talked about how the cops failed, the economy has failed, the government's failed and uh, then it almost went into this kind of tribalistic mentality, just like you would expect. Um. Honestly, I feel like this is probably a very similar to the situation to what we talked about a few weeks ago in the Bronze Age collapse, where there was this kind of series of factors that in a relatively short amount of time, kind of destroyed everything. Yeah, because what happens is you build a system and you're like this system works, but you don't design the system to work when, like, it relies too heavily on itself and then with minor disruptions, all of a sudden the whole thing falls apart. You know, like the same thing with the supply chain issue. We've had the past couple of years which all of a sudden these supply chain issues are crippling certain sectors of our economy. Yeah, exactly. And you had, um, they started finding, especially in Europe, there would be in these like River deltas, on the little island portion in the river in the Delta, there would be these forts that people built and they would build these wood spikes sticking out of the sides of the forts and they'd have like a camp that they put in that fort because all these people, um, we're so used to relying on farming, when farming didn't exist, they couldn't figure out how to get through the winter, and so what they found was there was a lot of bodies that they suspect were buried during winter seasons because people were starving in the winters. Um, because they were able to grow a little bit during the spring, in the summer, but once they went to the winter, they were relied almost completely on hunting and they didn't know what they were doing and they couldn't keep up with it, and so they would build these little fortresses, Um, and it seems like the reason why that happened is because people were out there see people in Um, and and and and. Uh, it seems like that gave birth to that medieval era. Um, was that society worldwide? Um also. I mean, yeah, people build strongholds and then they, you know, because you gotta, you find a place to crop. Then you build walls around that croppage. We were really stretching the word crop today. Yeah, well, you know, and then, uh, you know, and then you build a little bridge over your you know, you build your little crop top, right, and so it goes over that and then, uh, speaking of crops, remember. Yeah, what, what could possibly bring up for you? Yesterday, where at the office and the Youtube that we use for tilling. Oh Yeah, did you play that farming game? I haven't yet. Okay, UH, yeah, for it recommended some farming game and so Jaran pulls it up to kind of make fun of it, and I was like look how stupid this is. Tim was like, well, let's watch it, though. It's just a it's just a farming simulator. It looks pretty fun. You're literally driving combine back and forth. Yeah, it looks pretty good. Uh, don't you have a yard when that's so not fun, like doing in real life. Yeah, it's hot and slow okay, farming citulator. It's pretty fast and it's in the air conditioning. So like, I could do your job if it was fast and air conditioned. Okay, that's my mentality for anything. So people were just dying because they couldn't figure out how to store crops from the spring and summer in Laska. Winter. Yeah, more than that, it was just they couldn't even grow enough because it was thirty five degrees colder in the summer. I mean your average summer is like eighty something throughout the majority of the world and now it's fifties like that's that's a supery. That's a severe dip. And so the crops and the trees and plants and the animals all sad and it made everybody else starve Um. So you can't hunt when the animals are sad. It just feels that feels, you know. You just see a deer out there, just just mop it through the ones and you're like empathizing with the deer, like I can't. I can't kill a sad deer. Can't. Does even taste as good. Yeah, everybody knows sad deer tastes bade. That's why you've got to kill the ones with families. You know, the happier than happier deer, the meat. That's I mean, that's why, you know, that's why you always ask like did this cow have a good life? That's why at bass pro shops they sell dear lottery tickets, so you can go give the deer a lottery ticket, an extra large check. You can hand the deal. My favorite dear decoy is the one where the deers on one knee proposing right and so like this female deer is having it's like what killed it? Yeah, that's gonna be a good yeah, they call it the dear dear. You know it's good. You can buy the bass pro. That's a dark joke. I hate that a lot. So Um, yeah, so, anyways, uh, most historians say probably the worst time in history to be alive, and then definitely opened up one of the worst, one of the most prolonged seasons of just because too many factors made it almost impossible to like you can't form a society in there. And it was still in a spot too, where, for the most part, Rome was the only real superpower of the day and they had just gone through upheaval and been put into a pretty rough situation, and so this really sped up the actual complete collapse of Rome. But because of this, there wasn't really Um, any nation on earth that was very strong and stable Um, and so because of that, without the any stability, they couldn't weather. And we got all that from a ring in the ice. Yeah, these guys found just some dirt in the ice and then they were like, what happened? We know how terrible the world was back then. He's some dirt in the ice. You're like, Whoa, what happened that year? Yeah, so basically, here's where we're at. We have to decide what look like five what's worse? What's where? If we get a volcano in the next couple of years, might beat it. Yeah, we're on a we're on a hot street right now. We're coming in. If you're listening in the middle of Your River bunker right somehow you're still getting podcasts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you know, uh, sorry that we predicted that. I'm sorry we spoke that in the world. Apologize to the trees for me. Yeah, tell the trees we're sorry. Yeah, why don't you lean into a tree? Would you lean right up there? And they just whispered to it off. Please just love me remember things on them last night. is a production of space tim media, produced by Christian Taylor. 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Aragon, yeah, I think they're making that new a movie. Great, I'll watch it. I guess I'll subscribe to whatever services doing it and I'll watch it because I just so I couldn't remember the title of the book. But you know, what I can't wait for is the movie. You know, I couldn't remember a thing about it. All I know is was a blue dragon on the front. But I was like yeah, I can't wait to watch that film. I can't wait to sit down with a big old bucket of Popcorn Watch that movie. Okay, you know, there's a lot of trails we need to follow here. Let's start from the beginning. Have you ever heard of Wilhelm Reich? Wilhelm Reich, yeah, German, yeah, yeah, okay, Um, I feel like a slight disclaimer is necessary here. Um, Wilhelm Reich was a contemporary of Freud, okay, and so he has some very Freudian theories. So if you're one of those people who listen with your family and you haven't had some conversations, maybe skipped the first few minutes of this Fred. Yeah, yeah, that's the moment in every child's life where their dad sits them down and it's time to learn about saying. What do you talk about? The Freud and the bees and Um, we talked about okay, so, Wilhelm, he's got some Freudian logic. Yeah, and and this this Oregon comes from around like like the oedipus complex kind of stuff. No, but similar and weirdness. Um. So, basically, wilhelm, Wilhelm and Freud never met each other. Um, I picked up his work of looking at eels, but they were psychoanalyzing at the same time. And UH, Freud was a fan of rech Reich was influenced by Freud. So right, came like at the very end of Freud's life, Um, and career, and then started his career early enough to wear Freud. Reich was a fan of Freud. Reich was a fan of Freud, and he was. He was influenced greatly by him. And then Freud. Their careers overlapped just a little bit. So Freud got his books and became a fan of him as well, but they never met a mutual fan, mutual combat. So and actually, if you go to the signal Fred Museum, which is his house, Um, his personal there I be that level of famous where they have to turn my apartment unit into a museum. You know, this is where jared Myers lived, and everyone's like this is it, this is that's at the time one of my friends got in my car, it was like this your car. When I said Yeah, because I love how humble you are. No, that's not a good thing to say, but I'm gonna Start saying that when I go. I love how humble you guys are. It's really good. That's just like. That's like the worst rich person dig pleased walk to someone's home, their home, they have a mortgage payment. I love how humble you guys are. This is great. This is like the perfect size. It's not too big. You know, not too big. It's not too big. You need to start doing that, like start meeting really rich people, and I should have done that to that really rich house I did a couple of weeks ago. I went and did a backyard show, like the kind of family that has a painting of their family. Yeah, you know any he who has that? If you've got a painting of your painting of Yourself, family portraits painted? No, Dude, you should pay more in taxes. So I'm like, you know what I'm talking about. So, like that house, I should have walked in and been like, Oh, so humble. Um, so my apartment is bigger. So Freud was a fan, but they never met. Reik was greatly influenced by him and it shows in the sigma before a museum. What, Oh, Sigmund Freud has all the books that he had released before Sigmund Friday. Look at the back, the last page torn off like academic books. They don't even end in the end. It doesn't even make sense that he left it with all the bodies. It's like it's like a conclusion the psychoanalysis of our tests this and then we're just like what is so uh? Well, Um Right. Had this theory that, Um, there's an energy in the world, Um, that is kind of circuling our atmosphere and it builds up in each of us and that causes all of our uh, stress and anxiety. Any mental issue is caused by this energy getting built up within us. The only way to release that energy is through and so you let that out and then it goes back in the atmosphere and just keeps it circling. Um. And so what year were they doing this? The Nineteen Thirties, Um, and so uh. Because of that belief he started trying to Um, he called it or Goon Orgon, he called it organ Um, and he started trying to find ways to conduct that organ energy. And he said, is there a way we can capture this energy from the atmosphere to where, Um, just in your regular day you could pick up an or going accumulator. You're like, I'm a little stress, I'M gonna pick up a conductor and let that conduct that energy and let that stress out of me. But it's not like. You know what I'm saying. Do you know what he's saying now? He's trying to take that sexual component out of it to where you could grab these little little accumulators and it lets your stress out. So there's an energy, yeah, in everything, every in the world. Yeah, and it's also in us. Yeah, but the only way to get it out of us, because it has to get out of us for some reason, because if you have too much of it it makes you stressed and or depressed in any condition. You need you need a release of some kind. And he's saying he's trying to make conductors so that way you can just grab onto that conductor and it would release it, instead of what he thinks is the normal way, instead of dancing. So he built this, uh, he built these, a couple devices the Oregon. What was his theory that would would release that energy. Well, he did a lot of research and he came up with these devices. So what he came up with was he said he believed that metal could conduct it, but it would it would only travel through organic material. So metal would attract it, um, but I couldn't harness it. Organic material could harness it. Attached it to an orange. Just put a nail in some oranges during a lightning storm. Oregon come here, you know. So he built, uh, a couple of things, uh one uh, and I don't know why, Um, but I guess. There he had this theory that clouds trapped it above the clouds. And so if you had I mean, why do you think any of this we're trying to justify where like yeah, for some reason he thought it was above the clouds, like okay, and you're like that was the weird part that he thought. Yeah, everything else, everything else completely normal, but this is like the one weird thing where it's like trapped above the clouds or whatever. And so he made these, uh he called them cloud busters, which picture picture the like anti aircraft cannons, but it was it was a box and that box was a bunch of metal and organic material and then like copper pipes, like big copper pipes that he would just point up at the sky and he claimed you point that up at the sky and it breaks up the clouds, and so that way the energy can come through. Does he does the does the does he shoot the little things inside into the sky, or he just sits there and points it and it sends the energy up and breaks up the clouds? Cloud busters, we should first of all figure out time travel right, and then if we can do that, then we can go back and pretend to be scientists. So let's be scientists, figure out of time travel right, and then go back in time and take because you can just say stuff. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah, I made this thing. It's literally just a box with some crumbled up paper inside. It's like it's like like a like a cardboard box crumbled up paper and then a toilet paper roll star, like yeah, see, so the crumble up paper, the way it works is that it creates a lot of energy in there and then it shoots out this toilet paper roll pipe into you see how the clouds are moving. I did that. Yeah, it's because of this. Yeah, did you see the sun rose this morning. Yeah, this, because this box, because this box here, like you just say stuff. So it's some idiot would be like yes, yes, yes, how much money do you need me to let me fund your research. So the other thing he made was orgone accumulators, and what these were were picture those like Saunas that you can buy at Costco. Um, yeah, the personal one where you get into it and it's like a little tent. Yeah, Oh, it's not a tent, it's like a wooden a wooden sauna, but you can buy it at Costco's like a little like it looks like an outhouse. Um, what I'm always thinking of the personal sunas. Have you seen? I'm not seeing tent based. Look up personal sauna real quick. You've got to see the pictures for this, because it looks like, you know, it just it looks like a Halloween costume, to be honest with you. Have you seen it where it's like a little easy? I'm talking about that's a real thing someone pays money for. That's a that's a purchase. That's like I got a family portrait. You know I'm talking about. That's a stupid purchase. There's a hundred dollars yeah, to just put her out and then your head is out of it and your body is just in a sauna. I got one at home. But yes, Bro, it's just it's like we took the snuggies right and we're like this is the next level snuggie. This is a introducing the sauna snugy. Right. This is terrified. Can you imagine walking into a room and not knowing? Why? Where do you put that glass when you're done drinking out of it? There's no table next to her. That's the sweat. You put it at the Sun's disgusting, doesn't it looks like the worst? Doesn't it look like she's like, yeah, it's Halloween, I'm being that girl from Willie Walker. It doesn't look like absolutely absurd? Yeah, I've never heard of this. This is not what I was thinking. I was thinking of like the actual like Saunas that you put one of the pieces from the board game. Sorry, you know, just she's hopping around. It looks so stupid. It looks you're thinking of like an actual wooden full Sana thing. Yes, yes, like one of these, the like like an actual wooden sna. Where did the picture go? Oh, it's like an actual wooden sauna that you put in like a closet in your basement, but it's only really big enough for you. Yeah, maybe you could squeeze another person in there. In my apartment I put on my personal sauna and then I'd go sit in my wood sauna, double sauna, sauna squared, is what I called it. So, so like one of those is like a little little wooden like an outhouse. That was a good that was a good description. Um. But inside of it, what he did is the walls are lined with metal and then organic insulation. Metal, organic, over and over and over again, it's insulation from Your House, but made of, I don't know, organs. Yeah, rats, I don't know. It's some kind of organic inslation. Yeah, honestly, it was probably for like, honestly, most likely for Um. But yeah, so it was alternating all and organic stuff and he believed that he could capture yeah, then he lined the inside of the walls with metal this energy. Yeah, and his idea was now it's going to conduct the energy and you could sit in that little room, close the door. It's gonna shoot that energy into you, release the energy, Um, and that will distress you and release your anxiety and he started practicing this and he was just built microwaves for people. Step into my human wave. Um, no, it was a megawave. So, uh, he started practicing and like he was. He was in Vienna, Austria, Um, and he had people who came with symptoms and his treatment would be, why don't you step in that room for like an hour? Um, you're anxious, you have a closet for that. I got a closet for that. Stress. I got another closet for stress. Um. Uh. So here's the weird thing about this, and I don't know, we've already said some weird things. I don't know if it's the weird thing about this. That's a weird thing about this part of it. Part of me is like wow, that's very odd that they did this, but then part of me, knowing all of this, it's like yeah, that makes sense that they should have done this. The F D a read his books and they were like no, we don't like that, and so so they like banned that treatment in the US and they collected up sixty his books that were in circulation and they burned up, which is the only time I've heard of the FDA ever burning books. I don't know the FDA would be the one that did it. Who would have thought? We've been keeping an eye out of like the politicians and the you know, the fascists or whatever. Secretly the Federal Department of Agriculture only got to get this off the streets. Dude, this book's caused me a lot of stress and it's giving me ideas of how to fix it. But I don't want to do those. There's there's a guy there trying to all books and he's lighting the fireworks like firewar, turning the book. But this also comes from like the same time of people who did those little belt workout machines, right. They just thought if you jiggled the fat enough it would go before that. But yeah, same concepts that. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, people were dumb for a long time. Well, wait to hear about people are still stupid. But yeah, well, wait till you find out about twitter. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this podcast you wanted more of it, please leave a review. That's super helpful to let others know who are searching for a podcast. And if you're new around here, we've been doing this for several years and there's plenty of episodes to check out. One of my personal favorites is agent Garbo, is a guy who went to the government during World War Two and was like hey, let me be a double agent and they were like no, and then he was like well, I'm gonna and so he kind of went off on his own did the thing. It's also got some crazy details about world war two, about how the US use inflatable tanks to trick Germany, all kinds of fun stuff, but if you want to go check that out, you can. Thank you so much for listening to this podcast. So in the nineties, so he he practiced for a little while and then he died. And when Freudian psychology fell out of favor, he went with it and everybody else was like, Oh yeah, that's weird. Um, we're gonna stop doing that. Um. And in the US that never really happened because the FDA burned all the books, but everywhere else kind of followed suit shortly after Um when everything changed, and till the nineties. And in the nineties the US government released a report. Um I was like, Hey, we burned all those books, Hey, you guys are that a huge fire. But when we burned a those book. There wasn't those books. We burned the graphic novel Aragon. Not a graphic novel. It's graphic in m dude, somebody in the FDA office they heard the announcement they were making that a movie and they went what what? We burned the Aragon. I thought you said something else. I thought you said the forbidden word. To this day, if you go to the FDA and you say Orgon, they shoot you with a spot. What did you say? You're dead. Jump and they're FDA desks. They're stupid little cubicles and they're just typing agriculture whatever they and someone says Orgon and then pull a pitch a mini pitchfork, a retractable pitchfork, out of their desk right and they go kill that guy. My Selfie, stick kill that guy. I do like the idea of a retractable can we make this? If people are selling personal sawness, we can absolutely make retractable pitchforks. Dude, oh my gosh, that's incredible. Yeah, who we call for that? We need to work on that. Take a note to take it out of the episodes and steals our idea. Jerry, look at the TV. They stole my idea. That is such a deep it's such a deep car also for my other idea. Get in here, but also a stuffed animal. It faults. Oh my gosh. Okay, that was a deep cut. I like that. So, uh, in the nineties, the military releases this report and it was this. It was a hypothetical study where they basically were like, what if it was possible for us, UH, in battle, to control the weather and so we could say, Hey, we're fighting these guys over that, or what if we struck him with lightning like and just added another weapon to our Arsenal? And it was incredibly hypothetical. Um, and it talked about like already doing that kind of, you know, not on purpose, but they're doing it. Is the same thing. What was that episode we talked about where when you're in the government, you just kind of make stuff up, like or your your science hypothesizer, hypothesizer. Yeah, it just makes stuff up. You can just say stuff, and this is exactly what it was. He was just theorizing. But we could, I thought, we can control clouds. Yeah, we if we could, because imagine the damage you could do if you could form a tornado yeah, yeah, or even even just like the edge you could give yourself if, in combat, you could just make it rain over where your enemy is like, and then you can see clearly and it's not raining, but for them, they're in like this trreential downport. You have an edge, and so I think that was why wouldn't you just tornado him? Why are you trying to make war more difficult, like you're gonna wear your new hand to hand combat, but some of them are wet. We're talking about well, no, you're enemy slippery now. Hello, they're stuck in the mud down there. Why don't you just Hurricane Um? You know I'm talking about like strike up a lightning, dude, like tsunami your enemy? Why did you go with what if it what if they were just you're going to be slippery now that's what I'm sorry. I'm sorry, cap he's so slipper. Sorry, it's it's sprinkling out here. Sorry, Captain, I just don't perform my best on rainy days. That's what the paper was saying. The paper wasn't saying we'RE gonna hurricane people out and more. They were saying we're gonna make it a little more cloudy, we're gonna make it rain, we're gonna control some stuff to make their, the enemy's, experience a little bit more difficult, to give us a tactical edge. That's what, yeah, they were like. They weren't like, yeah, we're gonna make a tornado. Happens. Scientists just making stupid ideas. Make them good, you know, like they're just come with a stupid idea, with a stupid idea. You know there's a so they released this paper and that's exactly what everyone said. That's stupid. Uh, it's not gonna work, except for some people. Uh, some people read that and they said this explains everything good and so, uh, this is where Kim trails came from. Uh, the conspiracy of Kem trails came from this paper. A bunch of people read that and they're like, Oh, did you know my pilot? Because I want, because I want to be a Kim trail guy. I got an email from a guy at Kem trails dot com and I was like that seems like a good career path because, like, for that theory to exist, there's pilots out there. Yeah, that's their job. Um, yeah, if you don't know, I'm surprised. But basically the idea is there's a conspiracy theory that every time you look up in the sky and there's a plane flying over and it's leading that exhaust plume behind it, that there's chemicals in that that are making you dumb. Um, that's and the government's paying for it. And if you didn't notice, it's doing it's Um. Yeah, and so this theory was like, oh, that's that's like the slow leak of them saying they're doing this. Um. And so as that theory erupted, the people who believed in it were looking for solutions and they found Bill Holm, Reich great and his cloudbusters. And so these people started building their cloudbusters like the same specs that he talked about, which was hard to do because all the books were on fire in the US. Yeah, yeah, Material Um. And so people started building these cloudbusters around their homes and they were like the chem trails they fly over, but then like over our house, it's just clear skies. There's no chem trails over our house, very clear circle. It's just circling their house. Yeah, they don't come here, they don't. Yeah, they tryum circling, but the Kim field so it had been a long time. They had dug up Wilhelm Reich's works and they started building these cloud busters again. Um, and a lot of people started using them. I say a lot of people, but like a lot of conspiracy theorists started using them. Well, they would build them and they would just leave them on their deck or something and pointed at the sky and can you find a picture of a cloudbuster? Yeah, give me a minute. It looks a lot like a David Busters. They actually are David Busters. There a front. I'm Dave. Here are my busters, here are my busters. Um, yeah, they look pretty. I mean like if it's on your WHO's cloud buster you're looking at? Okay, because I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure there's some D I y ones. Well, the majority of them are d I y cloud busters. Um, so this is like your typical cloudbuster. That a D I Y or. I think someone sending out instructions. Here's how to make one. Yeah, this is the tip pickle cloudbuster. It's a copper pipe sticking out of this box that has all your metal and stuff inside of it. is so dumb and it's just open at the top and it's busting your clouds and you can look. Look how the person takes the picture to look at the shadow right. This is a person who does the whole like thing. But apparently some people also have built some pretty insane cloudbusters like this one. This is the same picture, Jim. Sorry, no way, that's not a cloudbuster. For the audio listener, it looks like a it looks. Did you ever see the show? Oh Man, what was that show called? Where they're junkyard wars? Is a show? Ye, Yep, it looks like a junkyard wars, like military cannon. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, it looks rough. It's huge, though. This thing's gotta be like ten feet tall. And then the it's like at an angle, like it looks like a Turret Y. Yeah, it looks like it's designed to be pointed. Like you see a cloud in this guy and you turned the wheel. Let me turn my codbuster up at that. Come trip, you know, like uh so, anyways, so this has been going on for a minute then. Yeah, that was in the nineties, Um, and so for about a decade, a couple, a little over a decade, decade and maybe two decades, this has been going on where people have been building their cloudbusters until something pretty significant came out recently actually, Um, and that was five Um. Hate that. Yeah, I don't know if you remember when five g came out, but conspiracy theorists are freaked out about it. Um. They thought that it was covid yeah, they thought that it was killing all of us and making a dumber, just like the chump trails, and making a sick and all this stuff. Um. And around this time was when it's always interesting to me that the dumbest people are worried about how dumb people are, you know, like you're making you dumber, and you're like, do you hear the words you're saying? You're an idiot, like you're the government did this. I'm worried that you standing too close to your cloud buster has made you dumber. Um. So they this led to the adaptation of Oregon pucks, Um Pucks, pucks, and so what these people figured out was they could take some like metal shavings and a bunch of organic resin and layer them and squished them down in like a press and then keep doing that over and over again, get like a hundred layers and then put that into like a cupcake Pan, Um, and bake them and then it would bake into this, literally like a hockey pucks, ape of these Oregon and then just leave it on your dashboard in your car, put in your shoe this. Uh, these people are known as Oregon Gifters, and so what they do is they cover their own home with them. They've got them all over their home, they got them in their cars, they carry we have the Amazon one back there, just the echo is a or gone puck. It actually looks kind of like one. Um, that's a conspiracy theory. and Oh, shoot, are all those people gonna find this episode? Yeah, and then they're gonna be like all the because they think they're so smart, and they'll comment like three am idiots. Yeah, it'll be great. I'm very looking forward to it, um, but anyways, I can't. I'm gonna Kim Trail Your House. Dude. I want to license, dude, I want to be that's gonna be how we reply to all of those Kim till your house. You know, there's only six people in the world left that do the plane writing stuff in the world time, full time, anyway, time. That's crazy. I don't know if there's part time people, but people in the world I was looking it up. I was like, well, how much you know? Could I become one of those pilots? You gotta be really good. Yeah, that sounds hard, but I do want to write Kim trail about someone's house. You've been Kim trail. That's so many letters, but you write out Kim trail like there's no someone will be like there's no denying it. Yeah, I saw Kim trail about my house. I know because they wrote Kim trail with the Kim trail. So what these organ gifters do is they, and I kid you not, they just go around their town and they just throw the puck's places, and so they're like drive in the big or they're just around town talking about town is safe behind a bench. Yeah, that's the idea, and they're creating their organ field around their town. Um, and people will throw them in the ocean. Like the restaurants, right, and they're sitting there with a secret knowledge that they've saved the town, right, and they get some bad service and there's like these ungrateful yeah, they don't know how many pucks I have put in this restaurant. They don't know the links that I've or gone to protect this down. So now they figured out how to do them in pucks. That's yes, they started making them in pucks. What do they think about five g? How do they think that's involved? That's a little irrational. UH, because Wilhelm his point was that the these Oregon things, they're conductors, and so it's pulling the energy in and then it pulls it into your body, which you can then release. And so the logic here is if there is some sort of negative electro magnetic field, that's what least by these five g towers, then your pucks are attracting it. Um, it's not repulsive, it's attracting Um. But in their heads it's like a force field and it's protecting them from and so they'll throw them specifically at the tower, like cell phone towers. Like they'll throw them like, honestly, after after this, like let's go out to that cell tower, Um, what is that thirty nine big one, and let's just go look. I bet we might find it some pucks just around the fence. I bet we will. Let's try it. Let's just try it. If if you got a cell tower in your house, go check for pucks and post them. Tag Us if you find any, because I bet there are some. I think. I think the better place you can find it. You might find it in your hometown. I think those are the places where you're pretty much guaranteed to find let's play into this prejudice. Why do you think that? Oh, because those are the people who believe this. There was that was fun. That was fun to see you come after my small a town like that. Yeah, yeah, do you disagree? No, I don't say it out loud. I don't go around and be like I got any organ books. Sul Listen to the podcast where I call you an idiot. Uh, so, um. And they've there's people who have like started making them look different, like pyramids and like putting like, uh, the top of it. The pyramids just like clear resident and they'll put like a dragon in there, crystal and like. So it looks pretty and you put it on your desk and you know it's like an item. Um, but it's it's at all the organ. Yeah, it's keeping all the it's. Well, it's it's getting the organ gone. That's what they think. That's the idea. You gotta get the Organ Out, and that's what these do. Um, anyways. So here's what's interesting about this. Um, they're a hard person, right. The US still thinks that this stuff is garbage. Um, and they've they burn every book that comes out. The government, the FDA, gets a book off the shelf. I'm in it. Every time a new Oregon book comes out. They see the book, they go they throw it in. They got a pizza oven in the office that they throw it by fire pizza oven. Part of the way. Didn't even look just someone's like, AH, my Supreme Dude, just look next time free throw. I had a pizza in there. At the third pizza this week, you threw a bad book on. Yeah, now you gotta, you gotta Literature Pizza. Hey, thanks again for listening to this episode. If you like our show, make sure you follow us on social at tilling podcast or subscribe anywhere where you're listening to right now, whether that's Youtube, spotify or apple podcast, whatever it is. And if you want more, we do have a patreon you can support us on. In there you get all sorts of parks like add free episodes, early access to our content and even a discord with our hosts and producers. So We'd love for you to check that out. All you gotta do is text till into six, six, six, six. That's till into six, six, six, six. But thanks again for checking US out anyways. So the U S still has a policy against this right, Um, and there are some Um, like universities in the US that have looked at it, um, but very few outside the US. On the other hand, there are a lot of pretty notable institutions that have done some research into this Oregon stuff. Um. And Uh, let's take a look at it. So first first, prager university. It's a good joke, Alex. why are you write that down and leave that in? That's a good Um, okay. So Uh, also a great joke. Don't write it down, Alexeieve that one. Okay. So Um. Uh. They've done experiments with the three forms, the cloudbusters, the accumulator box and the PUCKX. Um. We'll start from WHO has again, prayer you. Some institutions all over the world, major institutions. Yeah, all over the world have done uh these can name any of them? Respectable institutions where that Wendy's has done some Wendy's has done some research um on these things. So we'll start with the cloudbusters. Um. Uh. The research on these has come back very inconclusive because, uh, sometimes when you point these cloudbusters at the sky, clouds will dissipate, sometimes they won't. Sometimes when you point nothing at the sky, clouds will dissipate, sometimes they won't. And so yeah, so the scientists are like, we can't say for sure that these have any effect on the clouds, but the pretty that is the scientific answer. They're pretty confident, though, that they have no effect. Uh Yeah, so the clibusters. I appreciate science for being like. I mean, we can't say for sure. No, yeah, but it's pretty clear that doesn't. The pucks. This is an interesting one. Um. Uh, and I actually watched Um. This isn't a common experiment that they'll do. Um, and a lot of the gifters will do this experiment to like prove that they work. Um. Uh. So what happens is, apparently if you have these pucks in your home, then you get stillag tights in your freezer of ICICLES, but they're not icicles going down, they're going up. Those are slag Mites. Oh, I got backwards. Okay, stlag Mites, Um, but, as I just did the fantastic caverns tour. So that's why? I know it was a time. I really like that whole family. Fantastic caverns really is fantastic. It's like legitimately, it's prettimately. I thought I bought a Hoodie. Did you really? Yeah, I thought it'd be really funny to have a fantastic caverns already. I'll wear it next time. I love that. So in a cave staag my forms with a stag tight drips on it because above it, and then it forms a column eventually, Um. And so with ICICLES, the same sort of concept can happen. When nicicle trips enough, it forms US still like my icycle. Eventually they form on iced column. But what's strange is in these freezers it's there's no icicle above, they're just it's just ice climbing upwards Um, which is very hot. And so some experiments have been done to try to understand what's causing this. Okay, it only happens in people's pombs, puck puck palaces for the welcome to her. So what they did is they got some of these pucks and they got some regular old hockey pucks. Um, I think. What do they think? That the water was psychologic like we're gonna do a placebo effect on the on the ice. I think. I think vice news actually did this as well. Um, and so, uh, oh. So, like, yeah, you were talking about like reals. So they got sometl they were like Act Institute. No, uh. So the they got a cup of water and, uh, they put a puck on top of the water and they put it in the freezer. They got a cup of water and they put a hockey puck on it and put it in the freezer, and then they different freezer just wat normal water. Sure, Um. And so all these were in separate freezers, right. Uh. What's interesting is the water that was stuck a loan in the freezer. Uh, just blocks of ice, the water with the hockey puck on it, Um, block of ice, the water with the the Puck puck on it, the Oregon puck block of ice at the top, but like a pillar of ice in the middle, and the rest of it was normal water, which is very odd. And so they continue this experiment and it would repeat. So then they started to try different positionings of the pucks. And if you put a if you put the puck above it, what's strange that would happen is you would get a spiral Um icicle in the cup of water up to that little puck of water at the top Um. But you could repeat a similar effect with the hockey puck. I messed this at the hockey puck. When it was stamped on top did get the block of ice with the pillar, but when it was on top of you didn't get the spiral. You couldn't get the spiral with the hockey puck. So it was very strange. Okay, the conclusion that the scientists came to is there is some sort of electromagnetic field manipulation happening from these, but the idea that there's a physiological effect because of that is at best circumstantial. Um. But there is some sort of field manipulation happening in some small range from these organ pucks which they're pumped full of metal Um. So most likely there's some kind of magnetism in there that would affect the world around it. So that's the idea there. The third one, and this is arguably the most interesting, is the accumulator, the Sauna Um. What they did was pretty simple. They built a sauna, a normal one, and then they built an accumulator sauna and they shoved, shoved people in there, no volunteers, and then they took about. They said WHO's strikes? Seven volunteers and one in volunteer, and they put him in there. They said, we'll let you out in two years. You guys gotta Make Your Own Oxygen. So that was always sided. And what happened? So the people, the people who are in the regular one, like just almost Sanna one, spirals, they turned into tornadoes. What happened to? Uh? What happened to Keith? Yeah, Keith Got Tornado Erica. Yeah, some scientists turned him into Tornado. I Hate Tornado. So here's what's strange. So the people in the normal SUNA, um, they had a negative experience. Um for all of them. They covered them in like heart rate monitors, brain scan monitors, like blood pressure sleeves. They were reading that. They didn't like it. Yeah, and all these people, and they gave testimonies too, but they it was a negative experience. Their blood pressure rose, they their heart rate rose, uh, their brain right rose, and so they all got stressed. Uh, most of them uh had feelings of Claustrophobia. Most of them felt very lonely. Reported feeling lonely. A lot of them. Uh, it was just an uncomfortable experience. Right. The people in the other ones, uh, they had an experience where, uh, they had a decline in stress levels, their heart rate lowered, their breathing slowed Um, and they reported that they had a sense of calm. And then they felt a tingling sensation. Um, and a lot of them. Some of them said takling sensations, others said they felt something that they couldn't describe, Um, but it was some kind of sensation. And so again it seems like there is some sort of that whole description. Yeah, what is it? Thursday night at youth camp. I just I was breathing really slowly and I felt my heart beating very when I opened my eyes, there she was and I felt like God was telling me that's the one. That's Summerton man's granddaughter. Go to her, go to her, and so I went to it and I asked for her DNA. So what were you saying? We need to line the walls of our office in metal and organic between. Here's the thing, uh, there's some evidence that these are manipulating electronic fields around them. How widely is unclear, and if that's having any real physiological effect on people is most likely circumstantial. Um. But everybody who was in that accumulator did physiologically distress. Their breathing slow, their heart rate slowed and they all reported feeling calm, where the people in the same size room that was not packed with that stuff in the wall got's more stressed, very hot. Um. Okay. But all the at this point, all the research is still technically inconclusive. Um, which brings me to a good pivot point to talk about the Oregon Warriors. Um. Okay, uh man, I don't like whatever. So there's this Uh. It's been described as a cult. Um. There's a group of people who believe that God has chosen them to bring Oregon into the world to save us all, Um, from the apocalypse. Um, and it's the Oregon that will help us survive the apocalypse, Um, which is, you know, one of my biggest years is one of these cults. Is Right. It's like one of my biggest fears, and that will all have to be begging them for help. Give me your other God, you made fun of me that podcast. YOU LISTEN TO OUR PODCAST? Never Mind, I think die happy knowing that people in the real world listen to our podcast, just so you know. Listener. No, what are you trying to say when you're stop me out, because Tim said you're taking this. No one in real life listens to our what I said? You asked me. You said, are you surprised how many people asked killing questions in your instagram post? And I said no, because my real friends don't care about me. You heard it there, folks, you're not as real friends. Keep digging, Dude said. No, keep digging the people I really go. They don't care about me. You didn't ask me a question in my instagram story. My wife didn't ask me a question in my instagram story, my dad didn't ask me. No one asked me, because you know the questions I've got. Yeah, those hit my inbox. Are you okay? Yeah, I'm digging back. Grazy, it seems like you're doing mentally fine right now. We didn't cut that out. Don't cut it. You cut it out. We can't have them. He didn't touch the pen, Dag Alex, cut it out. CUT It out. I'M gonna go back to post. I'M gonna no one's gonna hear it. I'M gonna cut it out. It's fine. Okay, you remember too. You're right. So you're Goden warriors. Um, they're like a cult where they it started by this woman named Sherry shriner. First of all, anybody who had introduced himself, I'm Sherry Shriner, I'd be like yeah, no, I'm not really interested in learning anything from my circus clown, so I'm gonna go um and as far as I can tell, this is like an Internet, only called like everyone. They organized on facebook and then she started like a radio show. She started like a radio show. It was a podcast, but she called her radio show. Um, we're a radio show. Yeah, we're a radio show. And she was on Patriot and I don't know, I checked today. She hasn't posted her she hasn't posted anything since Um and so I don't think it's active. But right now they only have five patrons. She only has five patrons. I've got a feeling that at one point it was because she has thirty thousand youtube subscribers. Um and, uh, yeah, her video views were like in the hundreds of thousands, but she hasn't posted anything since seventeen. Well, uh, so she ascended pretty crazy, just sorr spiraling up into the sky. So a little while before that, she came forward claiming that she had a vision from God that she was the granddaughter of King David. Yes, wait, she's been looking for her. Did you see me? An email? Emails the actor. So she came forward and doesn't twelve. What do you mean she came forward? Do you mean she just posted this on she came forward to she said God gave me. Well, she here's the thing. If you go to a website, she says that the meat. She's been blacklisted from the media. They don't want anyone to know about dude, I called K interview. Um, no, but she says that her whole life she's had these visions and stuff like that, and then eventually God revealed to her that she is the granddaughter of David and she was chosen to bring the Oregon pucks into the world to save us all from, uh, the apocalypse, to save the survivors, the chosen survivors, from the apocalypse. Here's the issue with Sherry Schreiner. Um, as with many cults, Um, when you question them, things go south. Um. And there are a handful of people connected to Sherry Schreiner who are dead now, Um, because they disagreed Um. And Sherry has not get ben convicted in any of this. Um, but people in her circle, like who are in her cult, have and yeah, Um, and it's uh, it's not. It seems a lot like Sherry has driven people to do the killing, but the people who do them seemed to be as. It seems like they don't even recall what happened. Hue Crime podcast. What are we talking about? Well, so she directed these people to kill the people, allegedly. Maybe maybe nothing's been tied back. Scientists say it's not. Just said. It seems like so, but we don't know. So the people who did the killing, they don't recall doing the killing, or they don't recall they either don't recall Tom the killing or they think it was an accident or they're so loyal that they won't say anything. Maybe Um, people within the call who disagreed or just people, people who I think they were all in the cult. I think they were all in the cull Um. Here's what I'll say. It's a wild story and it's very large. Maybe we should just make it apart two because we're, I'm realized, a lot of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe we should just make it a part two, separate part two on that. Yeah, do that. We'll come back to this. I don't like how cool you just got. How you yeah, yeah, let's uh, let's talk about all this murder next time. Next time I'm tilling murder. 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Hey, man, what's going on? Oh, what are you wanna talking about? Have you ever heard of the to mom shoot? CASE TO MOM shoot? Yeah, case, what about this? Have you ever heard of the Summerton man, the Summerton Man? Yeah, to mom shoot, that's a name. No, Oh, it's the name of the case, the to mom shoot, case to mom shoot. Is it one word? No, it's two words. To Mom, to mom, to mom from shoot. And it was a case. Yeah, post postage from Summerton, the Summerton Mayn the Summerton man. That sounds like it's gonna be an alien thing, but let's do it. Gosh, I wish it's not. Man, this has nothing to do with actually, you know what, there could be summarians. If I wanted there to be, I could make it happen. That's exactly how all the stories worked. If you want it, you can make you want it, you get that place. Yes, so let's get into it. Yeah, let's start from the beginning of the story. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out who this guy is so I can marry his actual grange. I think this guy did it. Okay, this guy didn't. I think this guy did it. A pretty mobster thing. To leave with a dead body, and so he started digging and do some research, literally figuratively. Okay, well, to mom, should I look further into this things I learned last night. Let's start in the middle. Let's start in the middle and see where we end up. Okay. So the manager of one of the railroad stations in Adelaide called the police that they found a briefcase. Thank you for going with that bit. That was really good, but you gave away a little bit too much there. There's a briefcase. There is a briefcase. We'll get to that. We'll make it okay. Correct. On December first nineteen, at Summerton Park Beach, which is a beach in Adelaide, Australia. Um, someone, I don't know why I'm laughing at this, someone found a dead guy. Wow, it was yeah, I mean, he's dead either way, but that doesn't make it fine. We mean, I don't why are you giggling? Well, because I was gonna in my head, in my God, he died, like what are you freaking? Well, in my head what I was gonna do was what I was gonna do was ill be like on the beach. They found this and I was going to throw the picture of him like clearly, like in it, like on like a bed, like a dead table. A second, hold on a second. This is a well dressed man, he is. I think I saw an article about this. Really, I didn't read the article. Interesting, I never knew. I just get the picture. This is get that our first screen. There guys dead. Yeah. Well, the reason I laughed at because I was gonna throw this on stage or on screen and like clearly, like on the table. He's clearly on the table at the police station. Okay, and so that's why I was laughing because I was like they didn't find out on the beach. Dude, people who listen to this already think you're a bad person, like you don't going to try to work your way out of it. Okay, great, okay, so that guy was dead. So there's a couple of horseback und suit, like not a suit, yeah, yeah, yeah, but a button up shirt in a tie. Yeah. So's on the beach. There's a lot of peculiarities about this. The people that found finally figured it out horseback riding and then they're they're just trotting along the beach and they see this guy laying up against some rocks on the beach, and so they went over and they're like, Oh, this guy fell asleep on the beach and he's wearing a suit. That's a little strange. And so they went over, they started shaking his legs a little bit to try to wake him up and they're like, oh, he's not gonna wake up. So then they called the police and they were like, we just found down here where just riding our horses. So, are you laughing? No, that was the horse, the horse neighing. Are you laughing? So they called the police and they're like, Hey, there's a guy down here who's very well dressed. Yes, the police come. I think we found Joseph a bank and I don't like the way he looks. Is that which is why you don't like the way? If it was, you'd like the way it was. True anyways. Um, so the police got there at the beginning their investigation, uh, and what they found was interesting. This is in Australia, this is December. One. Yeah, what do they find when they show up? Well, one, Um, he had very little on him for clothes. Well, yeah, so he had the very little items, personal items. He didn't have a wallet, he didn't have any. I D he had a lit cigarette. That I mean it wasn't let anymore. It burnt out, burnt out cigarettes. Did they estimate how long they thought he had been there? Yeah, they think he died overnight at this point. Um and so, uh, and then a week old. No, it wasn't like he'd been to can um so. Burnt out cigarette. Uh, I can't reme if it was a lighter, our matches, something to light the cigarette with. Firework. Gotta light it quick, click before did she? You're using a very. You gotta light the firework. He's got a lighter to light that dad GUMMIC. Was it so hard? They should really make a way to do the straight to the cigarette. Okay, you're trying to light it with a punk, with a Punk, uh. So. Uh. What's strange is, other than that, he has no personal effects except for I folded up piece of paper and that piece of paper has printed on it, not written, printed, the phrase to mom shoot, and no one knows what that means. T A N A N S H U D shoot. Okay, to mom shoot. Um. The police have no idea what that means. Um. Another peculiar thing is, uh, he's wearing this full suit, but nothing has a tag on it. All the tags have been cut out and so like there's evidence that there was tax. Okay, somebody got rid of them, whether it was this manner somebody else. Okay, and there's no clear and that's suspicious. Yeah, somebody. Dude, I don't like having tags in my shirts. That's fair, but do you have tags cut out of literally all the clothes that you're wearing? I don't have tags on my car. That's how much I don't like them. I hate tags. ITCHY, I won't put it. Yeah, get those tags off my license plate. So, uh, no tags any of US goes. Not even his tie, all the tags cut off. So we'll put that in the might be suspicious. If you're trying to make a suspicious column, that's fair. I mean him being dead on the beach suspicious. Right, typed just two words on the paper, paper, yeah, might be suspicious. This was before the home printers computer suspicious. Getting something printed wasn't easy. Um Uh. So then they started going around and asking locals that lived along this area if they saw anything weird last night. Okay, and so they brought a lot of the locals to bye bye to the police. Just don't your brain. Got A lot of locals to the police station to see if they could get an I d look at the body. Yeah, they're like a line of people who were like, I want to see that body. Police. You know this guy, angry dude in his bathrobe with a cup of coffees, like can't you read? The signy points no bodies allowed. So they call up a bunch of the locals and they come in to look at the body and no one knows who he is. But some people are like, Oh, I did see that guy last night. He was walking along the road next to the beach Um and he just seemed odd, Um and so like like he was doing. I was looking at his clothes. I was like he didn't have any tags clothes, and they're like how do you know that? For AB outside? Oh that my power. I can sense tag. Yeah, Hey, how did you make that shirt if you didn't craft like get a tag to craft it out? I started with the TAG. So Um they they're like yeah, we saw him walking down the street in that suit and whatever, and we're like, oh, that's peculiar that this dude's like walking along this beach road in a suit, like most people down here are going to the beach or coming back from the beach. Um, and he's wearing a full suit. So it's a weird place for him to be walking around, unless he was going to the beach, which not dressed for it. Was He wearing shoes? I've never heard a question asked. I don't know. I assume I've never heard that question asked. Nobody in any any of it. If he's wearing a full suit, I didn't know if he was down there bare foot at the beach. Yeah, there was no description of what wards on his feet, so I assume he's wearing shoes his feet. But one of the witnesses was like, yeah, we saw him just walking along the beach and we're like, oh, that's kind of odd. Um. And then they were like at one point he could kind of like lifted his arm up like it was bothering him and he's like trying to like stretch it and like pop it into place or something like that. And then they were like and then he put his arm down and he just kind of froze and they're like and he just sat there like blank stare for a long time, like longer than normal amount of time to just stop. And so, like they said, he like stretched a little bit and then he just froze, completely emotionless, completely emotional less, and then he kept walking, like he just he's like his player logged out for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then he just kept going. You had to keep on with the episode. Great, are you logging out? Cool, sweet, excited about that. UH So. Uh. Some other UH locals who witnessed him. They said that they had seen him walking along the beach smoking that cigarette and they thought it was odd because, again, he's wearing a full suit and they're like, what are you doing? I was bretting a bit to me. And so it's fine. So the police, like, I guess, they invited a bunch of people to look at him. Uh, no one knew who he was. They asked for reports. I hate the police in and look at this guy. Hey, will you come look at this guy? What was odd? There's there was no clear signs of how he died, like there wasn't all there was he wounds, bruising, like, no signs of a struggle. Um. And so the police send this guy off to get autop seed and they were just like, well, let's just wait until a missing person's report comes in, because someone nearby probably is going to be like hey, this guy's gone. Um. And that never happened. Uh. And so then they started checking missing person's report around Australia and none that matched this guy's description ever came up. And then they spread it out to every English speech and speaking country. Uh, and no matching missing person's report came up ah for this guy. So then this this started to get a little peculiar. There was no evidence that anybody noticed that this guy was gone. Um. Meanwhile they get this autopsied and the report comes back Um. And what was interesting was there was signs. There's this guy had eaten a really gross sandwich at one point, so there are signs of poisoning. He had a bunch of organs that were that had shut down, Um, and so it was clear signs of poisoning, but there was no poison in its system. And so what had to happened is there are non traceable poisons out there that nefarious people will use because it can't be traced and they like when they interact the body, they have the effect on all your Organsas shut you down. But then there's a chemical reaction that transitions it into just natural chemicals that are in the body. And so when an autopsy is when an autopsy's done. Yeah, it's just not traceable. Yeah, you can't tell what's in there. And so, Um, so this was not this was not the Mike Molloy crew. Um, this was a group. This was someone who had the means and the know how of how to poison someone. It look have no one know what happened. And so now the police are like, okay, well, this is strange. Um, there's no connection to this guy anywhere and he was poisoned, but we have no way of tracing it. And so they they're like this is a big mystery and it's it hit the news, it started cycling throughout Australia and it was kind of like the big story of the day. Uh. And so they enlisted the public's health and what they said is they said, hey, we're looking for a couple of things. We need to know. Does anyone recognize the guy? They put that that picture of him in the paper. Um, does anybody recognize this? It's crazy. We just just put pictures of dead people in newspapers. Yeah, I mean we don't do that anymore. Yeah, I guess that's true. There's I mean it's not. This is a graphic dead guy, though, like he's not dead, but it's like this, like for all intents and purposes he's just I don't know. He's like when your uncle pretends to be dead. That's what he looks like. What he's like. I mean that's what he looks like. Often does your uncle pretend to be dead? Just I don't like looking at this, you know, like when when it all comes out and you're messing with each other and then he's just like you killed me. You know, that's what he looks like. Okay, this is a weird example. You could have said just anybody pretend to be dead, but you went that is like uncle. That's uncle level, you know, not anybody dead. This is uncle. That's uncle dead. Yeah, I like to you to be my uncle, dad, uncle dead, is my wrestler name. So so they enlist the publics help. They said, we need a few things. Do you recognize this guy? Here's a picture this dead guy. Do you recognize them? And then they said we need a few other things. We're pretty sure he's from out of town. Um. So has anybody noticed any misplaced baggage or unaccounted for baggage anywhere? Just anywhere? Um. So there's that, because it's probably his. Yeah. And then third they were like there was a torn scrap of paper that said to mom shoot in his pocket. Does anybody know what that means or what the other half says? Yeah, what it's from? We think it's from a book. Does anybody recognize that phrase from sub buck? Um? So, uh, luckily they got bites on two out of three of those things. Nobody knew who he was by looking at him. So that one, that car got taken off the table. But uh, the one of the UH directors of the railroad station in town called the police and said, hey, we gotta misplaced luggage over here. Yes, I kept waiting to and so the police came and they was that briefcase. It shows that that luggage and they opened it up, but it was the typical thing you expect in the luggage from someone who's taping iphone and toylet trees and stuff like that. What was strange was all the clothes missing tax so put it in the only suspicious if you think a suspicious column. Here's what's here's what else is interesting. Um, so they that they're going on that that they go, yes, this guy's suitcase. Well, here's a couple of here's a couple of pictures of him dead in the suitcase. How did they do it? You know, it's the pictures of him from the paper they cut. They cut him out, snuck him into the briefcase in the travel right now. I like it? No. So, uh, the suitcase or the clothes in the suitcase? What else was interesting about it was, uh, they were made. There was multiple clothing items in here that were made from a specific kind of threading that wasn't available in Australia. It was only available in the United States at the time. So they went and they checked and that was the same kind of thread that the man at the beach was wearing. And so they're like, this is a pretty decent connection. The tigs are cut out the same kind of thread. A missing bag from a guy. We're pretty sure it's from out of town. This guy's American. Yeah, he's case clothes. We don't care anymore. That's how it works. That's how it works. American goes missing in the other countries. They go, yeah, stupid Americans, bubb he got lost in another kind oh yeah, let Um. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like our show, make sure to leave a podcast review in whatever platform you use or, if you're on Youtube, drop a comment if you want to listen to another episode. My favorite right now is Jose Canseco. Uh. It's this guy in the MLB who really steroids mainstream for the sport and did a lot of other just absolutely insane stuff. And there might be a little bit of aliens in it. So check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But thanks for being here. So, but other than that, there wasn't a lot of uh good leads, except for Um, there was a couple uh items in there. The his, one of the ties and like a little canvas bag that had a label on it that said t keen Um and so like. That is a name, probably okay, uh so again. Yeah, I was a detective school and uh that gives me the knowledge to know that he is probably an abbreviated first name. keene might be a last name. You know. Yeah, no, don't worry, I'm here now. We can solve this crime. So they started calling around for a t keen. Um, couldn't find one. Not In Australia, not in Great Britain, not in the United States, not freaking there's no tkeing anywhere. Uh. And so the police kind of concluded that they think t keen was white rabbit. Whoever did this, they left that name in there without yeah, it was a poison somebody, you know make it look like. Well, it's harder to do that now, but yeah, you try to trick the police and get him off your trail a little bit. And that was what they thought the t keen thing was. Um, which t keen? When you see that t keen it's it feels like, did you ever play crash bandicoot? We were talking about this in the discord the other day. What where'd that come from? Have you ever played crash bandicoot? Really, I think so, but not enough to be like I played craft bandicoot. T keen sounds like one of like would be the name of one of the characters. And crash bandicoot we're talking about in the disccord made me think of a speaking the discord, this was recommended by daily man, who's recommended a lot of stuff for us. He's yeah, he's hitting a true hero supporter. So Um, but anyways, uh, the other thing that came up from them reaching out to the public was that note and some guy came forward and was like, you're not gonna believe this. I think this guy did it. Okay, this guy did I think this guy did it. You're not gonna believe this. I touched a spaceship and there was where I could describe as a download and I just typed out and just said to mom, shoot over and over and over again. Uh So, so, yeah, so, are you gonna log back in or am I just gonna have to keep powering through right now? Great, just back. Okay, what happened? What happened? I was downloaded. Happened? No, what happened was this guy called the police and he was like, he was like, I met this guy named t keen last night and I killed him. Yeah, I believe this. I killed the guy on the beach. Guy On the beach. He looked familiar and I woke up and I was like a little hungover, right, and then I was just remembering my drunken night and I went, oh no, I think I killed that the guy. Uh No, so he said, in the night of the murder, or whatever happened on the night of the death. Um, he said he he lives right by the beach and so he parked on the street and he left his back window down by mistake. He said he woke up in the morning and somebody had tossed a book in the backseat of his car and he opened up that book and the last page of the book was torn, torn in half, and they took it down to the police station and then lined up with that torn piece to mom shoot what the book was. And that's why I think he did it, because I was like, how did this? I just end up in a random to it in my car and you know, yeah, Um, what was the book? The book want to get away with it. The book was a book called H Ruby Yacht by Omar. Yeah, it does actually, Um, and so yeah, it's a he was a purchase. Honestly, a pretty mobster thing to leave with a dead body. It's just the the riddler the end, it's just that you're you're super villain. Call sign is just what do you call yourself? A bookworm? He's level the ends. He just carries that book he's got like no, he's got differs. Yeah, Dude, and you go home in his bookshelf and that's how that's that's his momentum from killing people. Is like yeah, he pulls it out and he goes AH, yeah, the Hobbit. Yeah, he's like, yeah, I killed t keen and like the end is ripped up. Honestly, we're writing a movie right now. Yeah, that could be pretty that's a pretty good kill. Pretty Cool at movie C I S Um. And so this. When the police saw this, yeah, their conclusion was this guy tell the truth. Their conclusion was the guy committed suicide and that was his suicide note. That was the way of him saying this is the end to mom shoot. Um. Uh. But that that leaves some questions, because he shot up in town with a suitcase full of stuff that he just left at the railroad station. The rail station, the train station. There we go, the train station. Uh, and then he poisoned himself with an untraceable poison. Um. Yeah, well, but that's also the assumption that it was poison. I mean, there's other things that could cause all those organs to fail, like just the autopsy report that I hated. The autopsy. He said, I'm confident this was a poison, but I cannot you know, the guy who did the autops rust him. That's another movie. And autopsy and autopsis corner like autopsis better in autopsis autopsis. HMM. In autopsys, who kills people to get to do the autopsy? What about a guy who doesn't understand the difference between autopsy and optometry? And so he goes to optometry school thinking and he's like, dude, we're spending so much time on the eyeballs. I thought he's closed him like when, what do you Wad to learn about the rest of the body? It spends four years in autometry school, it doesn't figure it out. I was like that idea, oh gosh. So Um, they label it uh a suicide and they kind of closed the book, right. They literally they closed be out, which, by the way, was from uh first or no eleventh century Persia, so it's an old book. Um. So another detective, though, was like, I think we should look a little closer into this, and so he choose. He checked the book to mom, shoot to mom. Should I look further into this? Yes, and so he grabbed the book and he notices that on the back cover. There are indentations. So he traces the indentations on the back cover and there's it's a bunch of letters. It's a string of letters all the way down, like someone had a paper written and labor adding on the back Um. But those letters do the thing where you put the paper over and then you just like do that. That's true detective work, though. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool, and it just says be sure to drink like that, dude. Okay, get away from these advertisements. A book for the first century. Okay, so he traces it, but it doesn't spell out anything. There's they tracted to every known language and they're like this doesn't spell anything. So like this must be letter. Who is this? He's been killing, he's been doing this, uh. It's so like this must be a cipher. And so they started trying to decode they think that the book was used to some kind of code, and so there's something where you're clippingto the pages and okay, and so that's why they had on the back cover. He was going through and then writing down those codes. Sure, and then once they solved it, he tore that page to go do the kill or the hit or whatever it was. What was what else was very peculiar is they flipped the book over. The front cover also had indentations to ask the front cover. The front cover was a phone number, and so they look up this phone number and it belonged to a local woman. Hold on the me. That's what it says in the phone book. They didn't have names in the forties, just woman. You know, writes weren't the same back then. You know, oh my Gosh, oh, Hey, I wanna, I want to show you this. Actually, Hey, I want unrelated, not even like. This is the code that they traced on the on the back cover. Um, and they're like, he crossed stuff out too. Um, so it looks like he was working on it. Like interesting. So, uh, yeah, very strange. Okay, okay, anyways, Um, uh. But yeah, so then that phone number was traced back to a Jessica Thompson who lived in New South Wales, Um, which was where this happened. She lived like five minutes from where this happened. Um, and uh, she was a nurse in the military. Uh, that served in the war. Um, and so this is the World War Two or the emo one. Yeah, I starved in the war. People are just like thank you for your certain wait, were we gonna make the great em war veteran hats? I think we were forgot about that. We got that all right, okay. And so they called her and they said, hey, you know anythink about this? And then she's like no, like your number was in the book, and she was like what book? The phone book? No, I know they do that. Uh Not. So they asked her come down. They're like you want to look at this? You want? Well, she comes on your white gloves. So she comes down to the police station to look at the dead body and what was interesting is the corner gave a report saying that her response was very odd because, remember, she was a nurse military Um World War Two. Yeah, and she's seeing probably much more gruesome dead bodies in this and he said that when she walked in the room, Um, she was fine, like totally like pretty friendly, normal, whatever, and then they pulled back the blanket or whatever to reveal the main's face and she said that her countenance totally changed and it was like she had seen a ghost, Um, and she looked down refused to look at them, and they're like do you know this man and he and she was like no, I do not know this man. And then they're like are you sure that you don't know who this is? She's like no, I I have no idea who that is. I've never seen that. And she's like can can I leave now? And she and they were like insisting, trying to be like do you know? And she's like no, no idea who that is. Um, okay, and they're like all right, they'll see you later. Goodbye. And she goes to mom. Shoot, what did you just say? I said I hope tomorrow is good. Um. So she goes home. She is she connected to the guy with that called in for the book? No, no, well, not. Yeah, I should say. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe she is. Maybe she threw in the back seat. Oh No. So at this point the police are out of ideas. They followed everything that they have, um, and they just said, you know what, we're pretty sure this guy committed suicide. Um, and they buried him in a grave that said the unknown man. Um. But what they did was because they were like, who knows if some more evidence were to come up, and so they embalmed the body, they took a cast of his whole body and kept that at the police station. Filled it. And you want to see something, they filled it, made a statue of him, right, and it put it in the town square. Now it's called the Summerton man and the statues terrified. It looks way scarier. You walk by the uncle dead. You know it's it's it's not great. They did this big cast and I've kept at the police station, and then they about like the cast of that guy. Yeah, just in case some more evidence came forward and they had to. It's huge. That's a big cast to just have the police station where I'm saying, I guess they had the back closet somewhere where they kept all the other dead casts. That's a big thing, okay. Uh. And then, uh, they embombed the body and they buried him in a shallow grave under dry dirt, so that way if they needed to dig him up he was involved, they could dig him up and they couldn't continue the investigation. The police were just like, I'm pretty sure he killed himself, but we don't know for sure. Um, end of story. Can you earn my tumbstone? Put the one man, the unknown man. It's kind of a cool thing to have col pretty cool, Um, and so it became this thing to put the end in some it's Um. So, uh, this became kind of like a folk legend around Australia and then eventually it started to spread outside of Australia and everybody had their theories, from the general's generally accepted theory of suicide to a drunken night that went too far, and he had alcohol poisoning too. We're all living in a second life. His owner locked out, you know, he feed him like a neo pet and then died. The most common theory, though, is that he was a spy, Um, which he checks out. He cut out all of his tags. Um. Why would that? You keep going to that. Why would spies and to do that? So no one could identify them? The tags of whatever, the brand of the shirt you're wearing. Yeah, they tell you what size shirt you wear and they also say Canada, US, whatever like, wherever it was sold, so people could track you at least a little bit. What information do you have on your shirt tag? Don't wash this this way. I don't have a tag. Played The twilight zone over the I don't have a tag. Might be suspicious. That might be suspicious, but then he's got this the book and the code and the coming into town. No one knows who he is. The suspicious death. Um, that lady who was like no, no, I don't know who he is. Yeah, Um, and so the theory is that she was another spy. Oh, she did the killing because they were like enemies, because she did have a military background, Um, in the war. Yeah, and she lived nearby. Uh. So she threw the book in the car, Killed The guy, left the note while she deciphered the code, found her mark, left her phone number on the book. That's what I'm saying. Like, what was the why is she writing out her own phone number? It's a brandy number. She just left the verizon store. Had to remember it. I can't forget that. Now I got to solve this code. And she lived five minutes. Wait, so you think they tapped her because she's a local spy? Yeah, that's that's why it works like Uber where they're just like we gotta Hit, let's find the closest spy. The algorithm identifies WHO's closest. He's a spy. Didn't needed to kill someone or listen to someone kill this guy for six dollars, thirty nine cents, except searge pricing, searche pricing. Um. So another theory, though, was that they were lovers and that's where I was going. Um, and he had traveled to come see her. They had gotten to some sort of disagreements. He's like, I kind of I don't like the way they feel. I made those shirts for you. I started with the tag and I made a shirt and you just ripped the tag right out. You ripped my heart out, Thomas Keene. So let's go get some drinks. Okay, okay, weird. Sorry, suspicious only if you're trying to be suspicious. Shirt. So, uh, it gave to town and he on that book. I don't know if he was trying to write out a love note, but that's what's post poisonous. Right there, Leah Ba Q, See to Tim Sam s God, uh, sign here, sign, signed wed. Hey, are you Thomas? Are you here? Thomas Thomas? Give me that book. Throwing this in someone's car. This isn't ours, that was theirs. We just took that book. I'M gonna lay down on the beach here. Take the cigarette and fire words. So it's potential. I'm two poisoned for this. Hey, thank you again for listening to this episode. Making sure that you don't miss one in the future, head and subscribe to this podcast, whether that be on apple podcasts, spotify youtube. You'll get an alert when we drop a new episode. And if you want more, if you want something a week early, you want to be part of our discord, more access to us as creators, you can support this show on patreon. It helps us go a long way. Nothing that we're doing is possible without our patreon supporters. If you want more information about that, please text tilling to six six eight, six six. Thank you so much for being here. So he came to see this girl and she was not interested, so not interested that she killed him, or so not interested that he killed himself. Or the fake phone number? That fake number happens to belong to a spy who then killed him. Yeah, you know, yeah, what an unlucky uh so, anyways, so, uh, those are kind of the leading theories. Uh today, though. UH, actually, two days ago, something interesting happened. Um, okay, on July there's a guided by the name of Derek Abbott Um, who is a professor at the University of the Adelaide Um, who has been obsessed with this for decades. Um, healthy. Uh, let's tell Derek Abbott story for a second. Um. So, Derek Abbott, Um, he's dead. Here's a picture of me. Uh. So He's a professor and he was like, I think we could solve this, um. And so he started digging and doing some research, literally figuratively. Well, we'll get there figuratively. Literally. Uh so he started doing some research and his thought was if we could identify the family tree, then maybe we could identify who did um and figure out what happened to him, if we know who made the body. Well, Um, he went and he asked the police. He said, Hey, remember when you took a cast of that dead guy like sixty years ago? Could I have it? And they were like okay. Uh so he took it and on the third floor red tape on it. That's so he took it and the cast inside the cast. Lo and behold, some hairs had stuck to the cast. And so he took it inside. Some DNA research on it. Um, that was mostly threw it into ancestry dot com. Yeah, it was mostly inconclusive. But in doing that, uh, he had a couple of ideas, because we had the identity of that woman who had the phone number, and so he was able to have find out that that woman with the phone number, Um, was pregnant at the time. Oh and and she was dating a guy that she later married. Um. But it was not his child, that child that was born. His name was Robin, and a significant detail about Robin is robin grew up to become a professional ballet dancer. Something that was very strange about the body on the beach was that he had extremely muscular calves. People often remarked. This is something that's very interesting about it, was that he died in his ankles just I mean it looked like he'd spent his whole wife on his toes. You know. Witness, a witness said I saw him just bounding down the street. Should hold on, I think move it to suspicious mostly, but also we were involved right the way you just that is a ballet move right. I don't know. I think that's a ballet thing. Um. So what they said was, uh, they often remarked the size of his calves, how muscular. People were just talking about his calves. Yeah, a lot of people saw this on my tombstone. Be Unknown Man. Remarkable calves. I know that we filmed this show there was a table and you can't see my calves, but I'm gonna be real with you. They're great. I was a baseball catcher growing up. My legs are awesome. He also was described as having petite feet. That you're telling me you didn't bring that up earlier. When I said Hey, well, I wanted the big reveal, was like hey, it's pretty his feet were petite, petite. So, uh UH. Everybody, especially the police, everybody was talking about everybody especially. Did you see the calves on that cast? And we got back there look at her calf cast. So the police, we're like, we're pretty sure this guy was a ballet. I've been working on my calves lately and every once in a while I sneak back to that room, opened up that cast and put my calf in there to see if it's like sized up or not. You know, that's calf goals. So the police are like, this guy's a ballet. Answer. That was the conclusion that they made. But all the way back then, all the way back then, the police were like, this guy's a ballet. Answer. And so when Abbott traced that girl who was pregnant and my son became grew up to become a professional ballet dancer. Abbott was like, well, that's pretty significant. So he went to track down that woman, but she had since died. So she went to track down Robin, but he had also since died. But Luckily, Um, he was a professional ballet answer so a lot of people knew about him. So he followed around his paper train. Sure, uh, and he found a woman that the guy had danced with a lot Um, that he ended up in a relationship with and it danced a little bit together. Danced with a lot, you know. You you dance enough with a with a Gal, and then all of a sudden you've got two kids in a house payment, you know, and it started with a little dance, started with just a little ballet. That's why those eighth grade dances, they're very like the chaperones, like yeah, I think, yeah, exactly. You want to have a car pay with them. So he said that to me, made three dance. You WANTA have a car pay with her. Really made me think through some things. You know, how much is a car payment? Well, I don't know how much, and at that time sounds like whoa every month. No Way. Yeah, yeah, definitely not. Um. So, uh. They had been dancing together for a while, but they were young and they were just coming up, so they did not have a lot money yet and they had a child who they gave up for adopting. It dancing the children. So they had this this child and they gave her up for adoption. Um and UH. That girl ended up going and tracking down her mom and, when she was an adult, tracked down her mom, connected with her mom and they began doing ballet together. Um Abbott tracked down that that woman, the mom of the woman who had the relationship with Robin before Robin died. Um Abbot tracks her down and also started doing ballet with her. You gotta get you gotta established report like H and she was like you have great calfs, thank you, thank you. Would you with them? Would you like to dance? Uh So, uh. But the MOM wanted nothing to do with him. Um, she was like very aggressive trying to get him to leave. But the daughter, I think her name was Rachel, if I remember right. Um, she was like, I think we should hear him out, and so she went behind her mom's back and was like hey, let's meet up let's go grab dinner and we can talk through this, because she had never heard of any of this. So Derek tells her about the whole case and basically it's like yeah, basically, Derek is like, I think this guy might be your grandfather. If we can put you in the cast and see if your calves match up, we need to match your cat. You are the missing link. And so they have this dinner and then he kind of doesn't reveal where. He's like, I think it's you, um or I think it's your Grandpa, uh. And she's like okay, well, what do you need for? I mean he's like I need your DNA. Uh. And so she agrees and he takes some of her hair um in the middle of the restaurant. Thank you. So you can't cut her hair here. I'm plucking you only these. Dude, need to plug m you can pull. Okay, sorry, I logged out there. So, uh, here's the here's the best part of the Abbot Story. They were not related to DNA. showed if they weren't even quotes. The best part of the Abbot story is the next day he proposed her and think I'm married and they had kids. Is that Real, shut up, that's real. You can't dance with anybody. No Way. One dinner together, she says Yes to a DNA test and he's like. He's like, well, you said Yes to one question. I have another. No, yeah, yeah, they got married. So basically, now let's look at this for a different perspectives, though. All right, let's look at this from her mom's perspective. He shows up and he's like, Hey, I'm trying to track down who I think might be Robbin's Dad, and she goes no, I want nothing to do with you, and he's like, I want to marry your daughter. I just picture her coming home after that dinner. She's like, Hey, I got dinner with that Derek Guy. He asked for my d N A and she's like and also, my hand is marriage. He asked her a hair from my head and my hand in marriage. That's something. I'm married and they kind of they bonded over the trying to track down her dead GRANDPA every morning, every night before his kids go to bed, he goes, let me tell you about your great grandfather, allegedly. Well, they actually I watched the documentary for all three of them. Ballet Dancers, calves were huge. Dude. Your kid has adult calves. A scrawny little kid with massive calves, dude, I mean huge calves. Right now, they wobble. It's weird. Feet are so petite, right. Can't even hold him up right to that guy. That's bonkers. That's that's also a breach of boundaries with his with his whole life, right. You can't marry into the story you're trying to figure out. So, uh, yeah, I watched the documentary. They have this playroom with the kids. The kids are coloring in the playroom, right, and they point over to this wall and there's this painting and they're like that's our grandma and they talk about it a little bit and then they turned up point the other wall and they're like that's the man on the beach. He might be our GRANDPA, and it's a painting of like what they think he looked like a live Oh, I thought it was the picture. It's the dead uncle picture. That might be our grand that might be our GRANDPA. They put a stocking out from a Christmas you know. They photoshopp him in at all the fan pictures because she's adopted. She's really not even like yeah, yeah, yeah, so did they? Are they genetically connected or no? Uh So, as of two days ago he came forward to say I'm married her and I'm convinced. We need to back this story up a little bit. You think? Do you think I would leave my wife and two kids to marry this girl if I wasn't sure? Hold on this. So he here's here's an important part of the story. Um, this happened like a decade ago. Okay, okay, and he got her hair and they've been testing it, but it's been inconclusive and they've been testing it. Take that and she's like, honey, I'm running out of hair. She looks like the doll from rugrats. Why does your head look like that? My husband's doing research, husband's trying to find my dead GRANDPA and all the kids go. I'll let you so. Uh So, he for about a decade has been trying to get the Australian government to dig up the body because he wanted because these have been inconclusive, the DNA tests. We could get a tooth. If we could get a tooth or something, we could get really good DNA for sure. So you've been trying and trying, but the Australian government is like, Bro you're a weird man. We're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. And then a new attorney general steps in. My first action was, attorney general, do you have that man dig up all the Ted there's still alive guys, like he's just crazy. He's like dig them all up, get him out of the ground right, put them all out. And this guy is like, this guy is crazy, but this is a good opportunity for me. Let me get my hands on that dead guy. That specific uh. So this attorney general was like yeah, that sounds like a great call, and so they took up the body, but they were like the police have to handle this, and so they sent it to the corner to do some DNA testing. This was in twenty nineteen. At the end of Twenty nineteen, which, as you remember, happened, sidelined everything for a little while. UH, they can't do DNA to you? I don't know. They sidelined the project for a little bit, but they just went back to it. Um, and the police are still working on it. But Um, I guess two days ago, I guess Derek Abbott has not stopped working on it. He doesn't have the body, so I don't know what he's getting. I guess. Um. And so he's come forward to the Australian CNN, Um, and he's said that he's identified the Summerton man as a Carl Charles Webb Um, who was an electrical engineer and an instrument maker born in Melbourne in nineteen o five, Um. And he says he's still researching his connection to everything and what happened to him, but he's confident that that's who that is. And so CNN went to the police and we're like can you know? Yeah, they were like, well, we can't comment on this at this point in our investigation. So Abbott is pretty confident of who it is, which sure would be no relation to his wife. Well, maybe, maybe, I guess maybe, Um, it's not. I think it's not. Maybe I shouldn't say he want to be. He's like, yeah, I'm trying to figure out who this guy is so I can marry his actual grade. I'm looking for his granddaugh I've been he's got really tiny caps and he's like he's like, I don't want to carry that gene though. Um. So he's confident that is this Carl Charles Webb, Um, but there's not uh the police haven't uh confirmed to that and he hasn't identified like the storyline yet. He's just come forward to say I've got I've got an I d okay. So, and that was two days ago. So this is a developing story. Um, so keep your TVs tuned to tilling dot TV. Uh, don't do that, because we're going to report it to you first, all of your capitlated news. So, yeah, that's uh, that's a summer to man. It's a it's an unsolved mystery. We still don't know. Um, the documentaries are weird to go. I'm going to dedicate my life to this. I mean, if you're derek the you're looking for your wife. I just know that that man's granddaughter is my soul mate. There's a scene in the documentary where they will walking along the beach together and they like sat down on a rock together and like right there, that's where he died. And then that's real. Yeah, and then he was like, he was like it's like, you know, if it weren't for that, we never would have if they were grand possible murder. Yeah, that's what I used to say whatever. I used to meet girls at funerals. Do you know that? I used to pick them up at funerals, you know, just go hang out. Be Like Sad, isn't it? Yeah, but it wasn't for that, we wouldn't be meeting right now. You know, it was a great pickup line. No, no, do you know who that guy's granddaughter? You know that guy's granddaughter? The idea of BIOS have any words? Yeah, which you use grand so, anyway, that's the summer to man crazy story. Um, no real conclusion. uh, but maybe soon. Maybe soon we'll know. I personally so you. You would say that this is the to mom shoot of the episode. Yeah, I want to say my theory, though. I personally I think that he probably off things. 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