The Barefoot Bandit – A Teen Criminal on the Run

08-29-23

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Speaker 1 Hey man watsapp Have you ever heard of the Barefoot bandit? Unknown Speaker The barefoot bandit? Yeah. Unknown Speaker Yes, Unknown Speaker really? What about Colton Harris more? Speaker 2 No, we see the Barefoot bandit. Colton Harris more dads a different, different person. Just go ahead and go on to the next. Next topic. The barefoot Speaker 1 barefoot bandit. This is one I think you're gonna like spoiler alert. There's pilots stuff in here so you can brag about how you're kind of a pilot almost. I wouldn't, Speaker 2 I wouldn't do that. I'm just prepping you for pilot stuff in here. That's why you're not one of us. Just because you say something. Like there's pilot stuff in here. Speaker 1 Sorry. There's aeronautical stuff in here. Does that make it? Does that make me sound official? No. Sorry. Let me think. There's Delta stuff in here and Speaker 1 I do the same thing. I saw a cup of water. And I put a live rat and you didn't even remove? Speaker 2 You're out of breath. Fake sprinting. They can't return my letters, but they sure can't find this guy. I'm available for it. You're not gonna find. We didn't expect that outcome from the jury. The jury is a bunch of monsters things I learned last night Speaker 1 okay, so golden hairs more. Yeah. Otherwise known as the Barefoot bandit. He was born in 1991 in Mount Vernon, Washington, okay. He was a kid who grew up in a pretty rough situation. His mother was an alcoholic. His dad wasn't around. He lived in a trailer park. And he was barefoot. No. No, okay. No, but there was a show could Unknown Speaker give shoes. Speaker 1 Shoes and wasn't a it wasn't a barefoot like, like what you think when you hear barefoot? It was like a, like a he lost his feet. And they gave him bare feet to replace the Oh, and they said ba they're like, they're like this is a veterinarian's clinic. So we don't have any human feed on hey, I guess Speaker 2 that would be a way to get away with some stuff. So if you want them you like cut your ankles, right? We were robbed by a bear. Put some bear on their knees just bad days. And so you went necessita feet. Unknown Speaker Okay, so. Speaker 2 Okay. Anyway, barefoot, barefoot. 9091 is born on the ground bringing Speaker 1 up being to make matters worse than us know. He's a he's he's what you call a not popular kid. And he gets bullied. Growing up right? In Unknown Speaker early what he's called those TJ, who's TJ? CJ, every loser. Every loser I've ever known, we call TJ. Speaker 1 So, in early high school, he befriends another one of kind of outcasts in his high school. Okay, who coincidentally just got out of juvie for you know, crime and theft, like, minor assess that being different not to be confused with thrifting. Speaker 2 How long have we got to do some episodes on the juvenile system? Because I don't understand how that works. Speaker 1 Like, thank God go to jail. Yeah, yeah. And then like Speaker 2 kids, playground and stuff. Like what is kitchen is Unknown Speaker a playground of an adult jail. Sure, they caught the yard. Yes, same thing. Unknown Speaker Okay. Do you learn on lingo in juvie. Speaker 1 I mean, depends on who you're in juvie with, I guess, like what kind of juvie, right? Like, if you're in like a juvie juvie, then yeah, but if you're in like a juvie, really Unknown Speaker juvie light, yeah, okay. Speaker 1 To be light. So, it this this kid gets out of juvie for theft, and he meets Colton, and they become friends because neither of them kind of fit in with anyone. Sure. And this kid realizes that Colton is missing a lot of like, bare necessities. And he tells him like, I have all the necessities I need, like in Colton notices that this kid's got a brand new iPod. Great sneaker, like he's got he's got everything as a teenage boy and nearly 3000s wants. He's got tickets to simple plan. Like he's got everything going on. stuff and but this this kid shouldn't have this like, you know he shouldn't afford it. And so call him ask something he's like he's so used. That's how I feel Speaker 2 when I was watching all our friends go to Taylor Swift. I was like, Hey, you're too poor for that. Speaker 1 In high school, you see someone do that. And you think some sketchy happening when you're an adult and you see that you think you got a credit card, and you're irresponsible. Unknown Speaker Oh, Speaker 2 you're 27 and your parents don't pay for a lot of stuff. That's Speaker 1 for you. Fortune Magazine did a survey. Magazine. Yeah. Different different. Fortune Magazine. Fortune Magazine did a poll of Gen Z years and millennials. And they asked them on a scale of like one to five. How much how dependent? Are you? On your parents? financially? Yeah. And 77% For at least 77% was at least somewhat dependent upon their parents financially. Gen Unknown Speaker Z and Millennial Gen Z Speaker 1 and Millennial which Gen Z like, I mean, a lot of them are probably like, Gen Z, you could still be like 17 and still be in Gen Z. Okay. So that. I feel like that's skews it, but a lot of millennials like Yeah. Speaker 2 I mean, we had a lot of friends in LA, who will be like, I don't even here in Kansas City will be like, how do you afford to do all this stuff? And then we find out their parents are paying their rent? Unknown Speaker Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. It makes a lot easier. Unknown Speaker I wish my parents love me. All my parents do is support me on Patreon. Unknown Speaker Be like Gerald's mom Speaker 2 on Patreon and support us on Patreon. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, number one, they got those exclusive merch that you get if you're a Patreon supporter for a certain amount of time. And it's like a mug with my face on it. It's like Jeremiah is my best friend. And it got sent to my dad in the month of June. And he just thought it was his Father's Day gift. He's like I love my Father's Day gift. I have the heart to be like, Unknown Speaker actually, you for that. You. Unknown Speaker That's great. Well, you know what? You're welcome, dad. Unknown Speaker And now every year you give them the same Unknown Speaker for fathers. Yeah. It's got a lot of them. Speaker 1 What if we did that? Well, if we use that are paid with the same gift every year, in June. Unknown Speaker Happy Father's Day, Happy Father's Day. Speaker 1 All right. Millennials are poor. And back to Thomas. Yeah, Colton here. So he's so his friend says a lot of stuff he can't afford. Yes. And his friend tells him like, Hey, I recognize that you don't have a lot of your bare necessities. Why don't you just steal them, like just steal the stuff that you need. And so he starts showing him the ropes on theft, right. And so his friend's favorite version of theft is like home burglary, especially in the town. Speaker 2 Which is a pretty advanced form of theft. You know, yet most people start with a casual gas station pack of gum, you know, but this guy is like, my favorite is breaking into vulnerable people's homes. Unknown Speaker My favorite is big robbery. Let me show you how it's easy to put Unknown Speaker these pantyhose over your face. Let's get in there. Speaker 1 So the town that they lived in, in Washington was an island town off the coast of Washington. And it was like a vacation hotspot. Yeah. And so there's a lot of homes there, that people didn't live in full time. And it was pretty easy to spot. The homes that weren't not lived in homes. They were just be there once a year homes, you know, I'm saying yeah, and so they got really good. Speaker 2 Because when they left, they were like, we'll see you next year. They put a sign on the door that said I'd say that's my wife, now leaving for like a trip and she yells to the cats. Alright, we'll Unknown Speaker see you next Sunday. Then I was like, have you What are you doing? Have you heard of Robert trying to get his home alone? Unknown Speaker And then your packages got stolen? And that same trip? Speaker 2 I'm not trying to? I'm not trying to blame anybody for that. Okay. Don't Don't try to pit me against my wife. How dare you try to drive a wedge between my mayor looking for a new house day or you opportunity? A new podcast. Either we're gonna start a whole podcast on this porch pirate. Speaker 1 So they start, they start breaking into these homes and Colin's new friend is is telling him like, here's some here's some things you need to know. Like, obviously, you don't turn the lights on. Because that's cure giveaway forever. All the neighbors, all the neighbors know no one lives in that house. Sure, unless they're there for the vacation. And so if the lights are on, that's a problem. So never turn the lights on. And other than that, there's not really there's not really a rule. The rule is It's theft. It's your brain a lot. Yeah, not a lot of laws here. Don't open the fridge. Yeah, well, actually that's one of the best rules you can eat whatever you want. Um But it's probably gone bad if they've left it if it's in the freezer though. Yeah so it's a lot of frozen food like you're you're cooking up some frozen food or maybe stuff in the doesn't go bad like Chips Ahoy boxes you Speaker 2 know if you've got a bunch of stuff in our freezer where you're supposed to do is you're supposed to put a little cup filled with water and let it freeze yeah and then you put like a coin on top of the frozen water in the freezer with all your stuff if you're leaving for like months yeah, yeah. And then when you come back that way you can tell if you're if the power has gone out or whatever, Unknown Speaker based on where the coin is in the cup. Speaker 2 It should be at the top still. Yeah if it's if it's all stayed frozen Yeah, but it's in the ice and that means your freezer at one point stopped and now all that stuff is Speaker 1 bad. That's a much better method than what I do. What is what you do you just go for it. Well, no, I do the same thing. I felt a cup of water and I put a live rat in it. And when I get home if the rats still there he then then he froze and I can just thaw him out kind of like a Kyra genic sleep and let him go on his way. But if Unknown Speaker I go thank you for your service power went Speaker 1 out then he's probably used the escape so usually chooses escapes. He has his way through the fridge Unknown Speaker and then I find him in the backyard dead because he's got Freon poisoning your way is a lot easier because it's just a quarter it's a lot easier to freeze a quarter than the life right like Speaker 2 you see him the same every time but he's also died Freon poisoning eggs around Unknown Speaker eat kind of like at this point. I think he likes to Speaker 2 brush up with a freeze on Friday. Sorry, I tried to give you a little fun life hack factoid thing there and Unknown Speaker speaking of rats, we speak Speaker 2 someone in this building speaking ARATS I said something the slack messages that got tweeted and I like tight lips around here Unknown Speaker my rats have tight lips because they're frozen in my freezer. Speaking of rats Unknown Speaker allegedly our Chuckie Cheese has finally Speaker 1 allegedly speak speaking of alleged rats, okay. It could be rats who knows I told you that we got the ring. We got we went for the full ring home security system. Oh yes. Yeah, the full home security systems that are the wires cut. Well what part of what we did was we put motion sensors in the garage so last night 2:37am Aren't the alarm goes off. Because now the full alarm like oh, yeah, you're our motion sensor was tripped in the garage. know a little more you're, you're rolling. And so I wake up 230 In the morning, do 30 days to 37 days in confused hearing this alarm that was quieter than I expected it to be honestly, this is the first time it's gone off. Quite a way quieter than I expected. Turn it off. Go down to the garage to see if I can figure out what happened. Unknown Speaker Did you bring anything with you? No, I Speaker 1 was fistfight I'm a fistfight kind of guy. Oh, yeah. Okay, Speaker 2 yeah, well, so Bri went down first got a breeze a protector of your home here's the thing Speaker 1 here's the thing you need to understand I sleep in full bulletproof armor Speaker 2 so we you know I make our bed walked out of there it is Unknown Speaker but it's the ropes Speaker 1 at our basement, we have a raised red so our basement is where the garage is. Yeah, so I get to the stairs of this bed Speaker 2 got to know how to do the stairs. Yeah. So you get down Speaker 1 there right downstairs and I get into the basement and rod. Yeah, cuz cuz that's my strategy. Unknown Speaker They play it out. Tell me every time it's Speaker 1 been a couple times where like we've thought someone was breaking in the mill the night. Unknown Speaker I've seen your house dude. Yeah. Speaker 1 Well, I told you what happened last time this happened. There was a bath. I overfilled one of our closets and the rack just exploded at the wall. And like it was loud. Yeah, and I woke up and just freaking dead spread out into and that's what happens is like, whenever there's a moment like this, like I don't I don't think and I don't think I should get something like I just run to what I think the problem is and I'm like, I'm gonna get there fast enough that they're not gonna be ready for me. I'm just gonna play it. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna die. Anyways. I get down to the basement into the garage. And there's nothing in there. And so now I'm trying to, I'm still, Unknown Speaker except for that girl behind you. Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing I love. I'm a little spooked now, because everything the garage doors were shut. All the windows were sealed the door into the garage. Oh, yes. Was there still in your house and there ever was, there was nothing in the garage. I checked everything in the garage. There's nothing in the garage. They're off. They also took off. When no, you couldn't, there's nothing else opened. It was just the motion sensor in the garage. And so I was looking for mice. That's why I thought it made me think of rats. I was like, maybe it was a mouse or another bat. Or an entity. I told Billy I was like, I was like, we might have a ghost. She's like, don't say that. All right. So we're putting a camera in the basement with night vision and thermal. See if we can catch the ghost. Because we used to have we used to Unknown Speaker have night vision now. That's not a special thing. Speaker 1 Yeah, but thermal. Thermal. Yeah, well, Unknown Speaker like the heat. Yeah, the Unknown Speaker heat sensor. Yeah. Okay, cuz because we used to have we used Unknown Speaker to otter rats. Speaker 1 There's rats read body temperature. degrees. That's why it takes too long for the freeze. Don't touch a rat. If you see a rat don't Unknown Speaker burn your skin and sizzle it. Speaker 1 I think we should make a term for it instead of cool like we should. Like so that's really cool. It says oh, wait, that's just cool. Because the hotter it goes in temperature. Unknown Speaker Man, that's hot. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I was full circle for you Speaker 1 know, but we used to have motions. We used that motion sensor that's in a garage and they would just turn on all the time. Like I'd be out in the backyard. And like we've got a window in the backyard. That garage would turn on the garage I would turn on and I would go down there and there would be nothing in there. I don't know what it is. I think we have an entity. Yeah, you have a ghost stuck in your garage. Yeah. And you say bye to someone in the basement every time you leave my house. Yeah, cuz she's down Unknown Speaker there. She's stuck in your garage. So they are just breaking into homes like what are they doing? Speaker 1 Yeah, so yeah, they're breaking into homes however they can get it Walston Unknown Speaker glass and Speaker 2 freeze in rat race dude. Yes, bro. Speaker 1 Our entire build and they're all cups rod large cups. Very large Solo cups. They're like bucket size Solo cups, and there's just a frozen rat but here's the craziest part Unknown Speaker was you describe the Barefoot the ice is only halfway down so I think my freezer is no good. Unknown Speaker It's actually a blessing. Rolls are not good anymore. So Unknown Speaker they're breaking Unknown Speaker bad they're breaking into Speaker 1 people's homes learning the ropes it's kind of a thrill thing for them for a little bit they're hanging out they're doing their thing and then he learns Oh like I can't I'm not getting my knees he Speaker 2 breaks into a house and use your your freakin sprinting he's like oh, I wasn't ready for two Speaker 1 got my gun but he's too fat for me. yourself Speaker 1 by the juvie for sure racks I get there before the the little echo can even do it saw the red lights and stuff. I'm just Unknown Speaker doo doo doo doo doo doo doo denser Unknown Speaker full body armor I'm trying to get my Speaker 3 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode of things on last night. If you like our show, and you want more of it, we have plenty of other episodes. One that I enjoyed was Jose Conseco, you know the baseball player from like the 90s and stuff, but also it's kind of an alien episode. Spoiler alert, so go check that out. Thanks for being here. Thanks. For listening thanks for watching and now back to this episode Speaker 1 so he started doing this with his friend, the whatever they're doing their thing. And he realized his basic needs aren't getting met at heart aren't know like he doesn't have one of us live in one of these close in. So that's what he says. He says you don't want like I've got a solution. I used to live in one of these houses and so he doesn't live in the house. What he's doing is he's going he's breaking in for a couple of days eating a bunch of food, stealing whatever he needs. Yeah, sometimes ordering stuff on Amazon with their cards or cards. And then going out to the woods I'm out of breath from that spring Speaker 2 you didn't even move you're out of breath from fake sprinting. You're you pumped your arms as if you were sprinting and you're very intense fakes was it was Did you see that? I see that. Do it do and see how on earth you get Oh, hold on. Yeah, check that heart rate we get my indoor rocks I can track it I gotta get credit for this you feel Unknown Speaker I'm gonna Oh, no staircase Unknown Speaker dude, I can do this for hours man. Speaker 1 I do it the rest the episode shoot. So cold realize this is necessities aren't getting met and so right starts breaking in these houses getting food getting closed, and then a little bit of extra stuff on the side. And what he does is he only spends a couple of days in there. And then he leaves the house and he goes to a tent he set up in the woods. Why? And he lives in that tent. Because he thinks it's easier to hide there than hide in the houses. He's probably Unknown Speaker it's a 160 heart rate, I guess. Yeah, that's fine. Speaker 1 See, it gets it going. And I was also laughing you know? And it's hot in here. It smells like dog food. Not gonna explain why. Speaker 2 smell like dog food. That is true. Unknown Speaker Not gonna tell you why Unknown Speaker that is true. Okay, so so he's living in a tent living in Unknown Speaker this tent. Oh, wow. Okay. And so this goes on Unknown Speaker until his next Airbnb experience. Yeah, Unknown Speaker until he needs something until they need some more food or Speaker 2 is air breaking in or is air b&b at Airbnb? Speaker 4 Yeah. So Speaker 2 he's living in a tent back behind all these houses, Speaker 1 or you know, in the woods, so sometimes it just depends on the neighborhood he picked, you know, he's right behind behind. But sometimes when word gets out in the community that someone's breaking into a lot of houses and stealing a lot of materials and stuff. And so people are kind of on edge like looking out. And so the police don't use this. This is 2000 like five 2006 to Unknown Speaker two years. Cameras and stuff. Yeah, yeah. I Speaker 1 mean, if you're really rich you probably have a camera security. This is ADTs heyday you know yeah, this is not this is pretty ring doorbells. Speaker 2 It's pretty crazy, bro. The ADT commercials were like, the numbers would like go like the whole house. You know, that was a cool commercial that it was like if they break in, it's going to call ATT and ATT is going to call 911. Yeah, yeah. And by the time that all happens, you're dead. Unknown Speaker You're super dead. We had ADT going up. Speaker 2 Did you know that makes sense? That tracks fully, actually. Yeah, it changed me. We had OnStar the button in the part of the car? Yeah, yeah. And I press that a couple times on accident. Oh, no, not on. No. He's Yeah. Finally do it. We just call 911 I love to sit there for 45 seconds. What are you doing? Speaker 1 Sorry, I forgot his line. Um, so. So he's getting into it. And it Unknown Speaker reports are people are starting to keep an eye out. Speaker 1 The police are trying are really trying to track him down. One day they end up he breaks Speaker 2 into one house. There's a 12 year old boy he's met his match. Right? Because he's authorized to walk up the stairs, trips and the marbles on them. Speaker 1 He breaks into home and a neighbor. Here's here's the here's the big problem with Colton. He didn't listen to his friend. His friend said there's one one rule and burglar He is keep the lights off. He would turn the lights on and chill and hang out. Make Chicken nuggets for the TV on. Yeah, watch TV ordered stuff on the internet stay for a couple of days until it showed up. You know Speaker 2 2006 You know, Dane cooks at his peak, isn't he? Actually yeah. So he's like, Oh, don't watch my boy, Dane. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 And so when he's, he's one of these houses. And a neighbor sees the lights on and calls the police and says, Hey, that it's the lights are on at this house that's supposed to not have anyone in it for like six more months. The police come and he hears the comment or whatever he gets out of the house before they find him. But they're able to kind of follow his trail back to his tent. Yeah, I Unknown Speaker mean, he's got bare feet. Speaker 1 I can hear the sound of a bear walking. And so they they chase him back to this tent. And he's not there. But but they find his tent and the job is full to the brim of all these stolen, I can't Unknown Speaker even replicate that sound. Unknown Speaker full, full, Speaker 1 full to the brim with all these stolen goods that have been reported stolen for like two years. Speaker 2 How's it carrying this stuff around? At that point? Why have you got to get a second tent? You're gonna have a storage tent? Speaker 1 I think so. I think that was a storage tent. Because Raj tent. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's he's building all these expansions on his tent and fire Unknown Speaker adding this weekend. Speaker 1 And so they begin to build their case against him. And a couple of months later, they end up tracking him down and arresting him. Okay, so he goes to juvie. He's now 16 years old. And he gets sentenced to three years and juvenile detention for all the string of burglaries that are committed. He's in there for a year, and he turns his life around. He starts studying doing really good job in school, he picks up aviation, but like, they don't let you fly. But he starts reading all the manuals and stuff, all the learning that you do before you actually fly. He started doing that, but for not like, no one's like, Hey, we're gonna give you a pilot license. Yeah, he's just doing it. You know. Unknown Speaker He's like, it's gonna be fun to pretend, Speaker 1 kind of actually. But he and he's got a great attitude. He's not getting any fights. He's listening, obey, you know. And so after a year, they say, hey, we'll transition you out of this maximum security juvenile detention center into a low security group home. And this is a just a home in a neighborhood that has a bunch of juvenile detainees living in it on house arrest. And there's no adult supervision. Well, there's adults show up and check on him every once in a while. Unknown Speaker Oh, wait, no, no, there's an adult who lives there. Yeah, there's. Speaker 1 So he's staying there. Sure. And he's there for like a month before he breaks out. And so they're like, Oh, that was a miss. Oh, dang it. And so where it gets out that Colton is back out on the loose because everyone's like, Oh, this guy steals all of our stuff in our vacation homes. Yeah. And so the town is booked, the town is on, on edge, he breaks into one home, and he has a very close encounter with the law. But he gets away. And so he decides he's like, he's like, I gotta get out of here. He's like, you see if I'm gonna be able to do this. I gotta do this, you know? Unknown Speaker Like a two different town or what? Yeah. Speaker 1 And so luckily, he's been reading books on flying. And before he got arrested, he had stolen a computer that had Microsoft license. So he's been flying in that flight simulator a lot. Okay, is that current, like, facing it? This is all flight simulator. Yeah. But it's like, it's like, I think I know my way around a Cessna 152. Okay, so he finds the local. Unknown Speaker Are you suggesting the current flight simulator? Unknown Speaker Well, I'm saying, Here's what I'm suggesting. Speaker 2 Are you suggesting that you know, not suggesting Speaker 1 what I'm saying? I know my way around if if you were going to have tried to steal an airplane with no flight experience? Yeah. Through practicing and current flight simulators, probably a little bit better than practicing an old flight simulator. Sure. That's Dom's. That's all you're saying. That's all I'm saying. All I'm saying. Yeah, flip practices in all flight simulators. Like saying I flew in GTA. And so now I know how to do true. Practicing a new flight simulator is like saying, I flew in GTA. So now I know what to do. But I at least know some of the words. That's that's the point. Sure. So he, he starts hanging out around the he sets up a tent at the edge of the runway, and he just starts watching the patterns in the airport. He doesn't actually set up a tent. I don't want to Okay, that's the truth. But he does hang out around the airport, just kind of watching what's going on in there. And so you can figure out patterns figure out who, who's who and what they do, you know, late one night, he jumps the fence in this little private airport, and he goes and he finds his target planet. Cessna 152. Speaker 2 And why is it to a bar in Manhattan? Right on the road, so I made it here for Washington. 15 minutes. You guys didn't believe me put my name on the wall. I told Speaker 1 you I could do it. I told you I could do by the way. Also give me some really spicy wings all the time. All right now do all right now. So he goes with his plane, sure enough, the owner left it unlocked and just left the keys on the seat. They do that. And so he pops in, starts it up, goes through the pre flight checklist because he read the book. He knows Unknown Speaker what's remarkably easy to steal planes to be honest. Speaker 1 And he's off, manages to take off and is airborne and he's feeling really good about it. Right. Makes it to Yakima. Correct. Then while he's flying over Yakima, he realizes he forgot one very important part of the pre flight shadow Laird know, how much fuel do I have? Oh, no. So he realizes he's almost out of fuel. Obviously, he's a fugitive. He can't land at an airport. And so he as a guy who's never flown a day and his wife decides I've got to try to find a field somewhere to take this down because I can't land obviously in an airport. And so he lands it in this Unknown Speaker guy, do your ABCs Speaker 2 check your airspeed go look for your best work best place to land. And then do you gotta cram and you gotta correct always be Crowley's be crashing baby. And so Speaker 1 he he takes it down into this into this field. And he survives. It was not doesn't look like he botched it too much. Yeah, it was not a great landing. No, but it landed. And he got out and he went into the woods and just left it. And he waited a couple of days. And then he went into town and he started robbing some homes. waited a couple of days. Yeah. Let the heat dissipate. Someone's gonna find that plane. Yeah, they're gonna know, they're gonna know pretty quickly. Oh, someone crashed a plane in that field. And then someone's gonna pretty quickly realize my planes gone. Yeah. And so he waited a little bit. And then he went, he went out into this field. And here's the thing about him. He you know, he's a kid. And it's now it's too easy. He's 18. Yeah, is 2007 or 16 Still Facebook error. And so he says a Facebook page. And he's got it. He's hanging out in the woods with all his stolen goods. And he's posting pictures on his Facebook page. Unknown Speaker Are you an idiot? Unknown Speaker And he begins Speaker 2 posting, how do I get away with crime? How do I do tax fraud? Speaker 1 Here's the thing. He becomes famous, relatively big in that era of Facebook. I think he peaked at 20,000 Facebook followers, which was pretty big for that era Facebook. Okay. Unknown Speaker He does look familiar. Unknown Speaker Yeah. And so he Unknown Speaker he uses a very Unknown Speaker 2007 selfie to Yeah, it is. Speaker 1 He begins this lifestyle of camping out in the woods, going into town to burglarized homes, and he would steal pretty much just the essentials. He every once in a while Unknown Speaker will teach you how to do it to Unknown Speaker just join my course Speaker 1 every once in a while he would purchase stuff online with people's credit cards. But it was usually the stuff he would purchase would be like, like camping. So it's like, Speaker 2 here's the fuzzer let's say he breaks into someone's home. Yeah, purchase them with their credit card. Right? He's using their computer. He's his phone. I guess he's got a phone. Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, he's stolen. He's stolen computers. He's stolen phones, phones. Speaker 2 is he stealing people's computers? He's stealing people's property or using he ordered something to be delivered to the higher house. So Speaker 1 yeah, he's stiff. He lives out of town. And he stays there for a couple days. Speaker 2 Get it later. What did you get caught stealing the package? Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing he he finds people who are out on vacation. So this is Speaker 2 how funny it would be is if he broke into this whole home use their credit card to order food and all this stuff and orders a couple packages comes back two days later when his when his Amazon shipping has arrived. And then gets caught stealing and gets in trouble for that. Yeah, he's just like, yes, yeah, it Unknown Speaker was. Pack all I've done is steal the package and Speaker 2 be like, Were you saying that makes me feel like you didn't? He's like plain and simple. What was that? Did Speaker 1 you say? No, go? Walk it simple. Just walking. Simple, simple, just standing and sitting here. Simple, not moving at all. So this is great. That's it. My favorite phrase is not moving simple. Unknown Speaker Okay. So he's posting all this stuff on Speaker 1 Facebook. Yeah. So he for the next couple of years. He has this lifestyle. He goes by the Barefoot bandit. You He is living in the woods. And he's got this Facebook page and he's posting pictures and stuff. But here's, here's what he's doing though he's kind of smart about it, because what he's doing is he'll go in, he'll stay in the house for a couple days while people are out of town, go back into the woods camp out in the woods. And then when he feels like he's got a little too much heat on him after burglarizing a dozen or so homes in the area leaves, he steals a car. And then what he does is he takes that car. And until he's able, he's got cash now because he's stealing, but he never gets gas because he was worried about security cameras. So he would just ditch the car when he ran out of gas and steal a new car. So he was never land on a security camera and never spent money anywhere. And so it was less traceable. Okay, and, and then he would find a new town show up in a new town and then repeat the process set up camp somewhere in the woods, go into town when he needed stuff, and do this for a couple months. burglarized a couple dozen homes and then go on to the next town. Unknown Speaker I guess he's showering at the homes he Speaker 1 breaks into, oh, yeah, he's showering and he's got a whole routine. And he's eaten, like he's doing all this stuff. And so this goes on for a couple years. As estimated that he breaks into well over 100 homes. burglarized is a few dozen vehicles, and steals six airplanes, and uses those to jump town on multiple occasions as well. Each time waiting in the field of retirement ending in some field outside of town. And he goes from Washington, and he is in he repeats this in Washington, and Oregon and Idaho and North Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Indiana, goes almost across the entire country. After two years of this whole thing, Unknown Speaker boring parts though. Speaker 1 Everyone's like, why don't you go to an interesting one, because the cool places are where the better cops are. I guess this was definitely this was not cool enough to have good cops. Unknown Speaker Yeah, it's I mean, it's still 2008. Speaker 1 But he would he was because he had kind of like had like an extended stay. The places he was robbing. He was like living in their home for a couple days. And so he's walking around barefoot. And so a lot of the crime scenes would have chalk outlines of bare feet, where he like I don't know, stepped in dirt and walk around barefoot or something. I don't know, I don't know why they knew as bare feet were walking through there. But a lot of the reports would end up with his bare feet in there. So they started calling on the Barefoot bandit. And that's where he got the name. And he loved it a little bit and leaned into it. And there was an event where the Millah night he broke into like a CVS. And he drew a chalk lines himself the bare feet walking all over and left a note and said this was here. Like the guy from mobile, didn't steal anything. Yeah, he just wants people to know who's here. And it was also he was he was interesting, too, because he didn't he said, What Unknown Speaker did they what was that? What Unknown Speaker about a name? I didn't know what Speaker 1 we need a name. We need. We need a name. And what if it was something that scales so it's like it could be we could be dry? We could be so what? No. And so here's the thing about him, though, like there was a sense that he had like, I mean, obviously he's burglarizing homes and sure, healing vehicles and planes and all that stuff, right. But there's a sense that there's a little bit of morality for him because he's never hurting anybody. Yeah. And he's also only stealing what he needs. Like he's not like he's people have like stashes of cash in the house. He only takes a little bit of He only takes enough to get by. And he's taking mostly food. When he breaks into places every once in a while. He's taken survival supplies if he and then he's doing some credit card fraud to order stuff online for survival, usually survival goods, usually. And so he's he's stealing stuff. Yes. But a lot of people are like, well, he's still in stuff to survive. He's on the run like he's an he's like, ethical, ethical. Yeah. To the point where in Idaho, he left a there's a veterinarian clinic and he left a card with $100 cash in it and signed it from his hand and said, Here's to help the animals from the Unknown Speaker Barefoot band. Unknown Speaker He said thanks for the feet. Unknown Speaker That barefoot bandit Unknown Speaker like just made a donation to a vet which vets are like we don't need your donation we Speaker 2 don't charge a lot. We're a business we tried a lot for profits. We put down the dog and still charging you appreciate the donation for like, Hey, I have really bad news about your dog. I'm really sorry about that. They're both Speaker 1 profitable edge of the business is their freezer rats. Yeah, the shots will be $300 but you want to make Speaker 2 sure Fast they last so long. Would you like a freezer rat? Oh, I'm sorry. What was that? Like a rat sickle? Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a wrap for your freezer, it tells you your freezer, it's a Speaker 2 whole thing. It's kind of, honestly, if you don't know what it is already, it's not worth explaining it to you. Like it's kind of one of those like, it's a little bit like, you either know, or you don't Speaker 1 you either know or you don't. And if you don't, you probably should keep it that way. Because otherwise, you're not gonna like Unknown Speaker I could tell you once I tell you, I can't tell Speaker 1 ya. Yeah, but you're gonna want to buy you'll spend their $100 a pop nearby Mall. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I don't know about the rent. Speaker 1 Thanks for checking out our show. If you like it, and you want to support be a part of what we're doing here. You can do that by becoming a patron. What happens there is you get to be in the community. We have a discord with our hosted producers, we have a lot of fun. We're super active in there every day, you get access to add free content a week before everybody else. And we have a zoom every month with our patrons. We hang out we eat pizza, we get to know you a little bit better. It's a blast. And there's a ton of other different benefits like merch discounts, birthday messages, things like that, that are super cool. If you want to be in that you can just text Dylan 266866. And that'll get you right in there. If not, we're just super glad that you're here. And thanks for watching our show. Speaker 1 So he's in Indiana, stealing cars and all throughout the whole thing. It's been two years. At this point. He's got $10,000 bounty on his head. He's wanted in whatever this is like nine states now. And so he's like, he's like I the Oh, also Canada. He went up to Canada for a minute. Oh, international Speaker 2 prime. Yeah. And so he's so he's not what did you fly there? Speaker 1 Yeah. And the end, he stole and did the same plane Canada for a little bit. And so now he's in Indiana, and he's like, he's like, Ah, this is sketchy. I gotta get out of here. Do you know enough to like, turn the transponder off, I guess. A couple a couple of weeks before the story I'm about to tell you. The FAA is like Speaker 2 this. Guy's stealing planes got him. The FAA will figure stuff out before the FBI. Speaker 1 And so the the FBI has been following them the all local municipalities are you going on? I'm homeless Speaker 2 on it. They can't return my letters, but they sure can't find this guy. Unknown Speaker So what people are starting to realize I Unknown Speaker wrote the FAA letter. No, it says, Unknown Speaker Dear FAA. Speaker 2 I was so perplexed when I saw the removed Speaker 2 from the menu, I'm wondering why you did Speaker 1 the FAA it's becoming really clear. If if there's a car that's ditched in town and getting burglarized, then it's like, oh, he's in town. They started to pick up on that's the airport. So they know he's in Indiana, Indianapolis now. And so the FAA is like, Hey, you guys need to go call all the private plane owners in the city and tell them hey, don't leave your keys on your seats. Because there's a guy who's stealing planes. Otherwise, your plane is gonna get stolen? Yeah. They call this meeting all the private plane holders come to this meeting. 2000. This is no late 2009. And they tell them hey, there's a plane banded on the loose. We believe he's in this town. He's stolen six small single engine aircraft. You own one of those. And so we want you to be on high alert, lock your planes don't leave your keys. And I was like and they're like, well, I'll take questions at the end. Hi, do you want my plane got stolen this morning? They're like, okay. Do you think any Do we have any data Gjerde Do we have any data on how well the plane rats do against this situation? Unknown Speaker Yeah, once he gets a certain altitude they'll on thaw. So, yeah, they tell free to move about the cabin. Speaker 1 They tell it they tell everyone to lock up their stuff. Well, there's one specific pilot who misses the meeting. Okay. One guy, one guy who happens to be his plane. Yeah. And so his plane as plane gets gets stolen for sure. And Unknown Speaker It leaves the banner guy Unknown Speaker unfair DUI, we can help. Oh, man. Speaker 1 So he, he's still this. This guy's specific planet is a guy that last name Miller and I can't remember his first name right now, Donald steals his play. And his his plan is I need to get out of the US as we find out that Cuba doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US. And so if you can get to Cuba, then he can start a new life, live there free of crime, and not ever get extradited for his crimes in the US. Sure. And so he steals the plane and he tries his first overwater flight. Here's the thing. This is the seventh flight ever. Yeah. And it's every time it's been different airplanes. And so he luckily checked the fuel and made sure this aircraft had been enough fuel to make that distance Indianapolis to Cuba. But that's a long flight, very long flight. But it has to stop. But while he a miscalculates the flight path, and he ends up over the Bahamas, which makes it very far but is running out of fuel, Bahamas, so he decides to take it down in the Bahamas. And he Boches the landing because the dirt on the island was softer. And so the landing gear just sunk into the dirt. Oh, no wet. And that triggered the transponder that there was a crash. And so the FAA gets the alert. Yeah. And they call this guy and like, Hey, did you just crash? It's Fourth of July. It's Fourth of July weekend just crashed your Unknown Speaker plane in the Bahamas? And he's like Speaker 2 yeah, I didn't answer because I was like, it was called me. And my buddy made a really funny joke where he said Let freedom ring inside. Sorry, I didn't answer right away. There was it. Are you calling about that meeting I missed earlier? Because I real sorry. But I didn't want to go. I just didn't want to do that. Do that. Speaker 1 So the guys like yeah, that I That wasn't me. I'm still in Indiana. And they're like, Okay, let's we Unknown Speaker renamed this place, the Bahamas. Speaker 1 And so the FAA puts two and two together and says, oh, a plane from someone in Indiana where we know Colton was from, or was at just crashed to the Bahamas. And the owner doesn't know about it. This is probably our guy. Yeah. So they send the Coast Guard down to go get them and they're like, you guys go get them. Yeah, we know you don't usually do gun stuff, but maybe bring a gun this time Take. Unknown Speaker Take a sword because they Speaker 1 do know, he hasn't used a weapon. But they do know he's armed. And they do know at this point. He's kind of desperate because he's, you know, committed to a lot of felonies. He's got a $10,000 bounty on his head. Sure. There's been very vocal talks. Over the last few months, that there were bounty hunters looking for him like they'd been like the other bounty hunters or after you keep seeing that on his Facebook feed. People are DMing like, Hey, I'm a bounty hunter. Where are you at? Unknown Speaker Hey, what's up, man? You want to hang out? I just wanna be friends. Unknown Speaker Well, tell me a little bit about robbery. What are the rules? Hi, Speaker 2 I'm new to town. I saw your profile. And we'd love to sponsor a post. Speaker 1 So he, he crashes he gets out and he starts. Well, I'm this is Bahamas now. I live here now. And so he goes and does the same thing he always does. He sets up camp somewhere in the wilderness and goes into town to steal stuff and live off of stealing stuff. And so he's there for 10 days. The Coast Guard gets there they find the crash site. He's not there. But they're like we know he can't get far. Yes, he's you know, in the Bahamas, he's gonna steal another plane in the Bahamas. When you steal someone's speedboat out of work, and he's doing the same thing he always does. And on July 11 2010, this is about the whatever. week later, seven days after he crashed. He pulls up to a party, a local party where the locals walk on the beach party in a speedboat and pulls up close to the shore and yells and says this is not a joke. He says, Hey, where are your cops? And the locals are like, excuse me what he's like, where are your cops at? And then he's like, I mean, we've got we've got cops here and he's like, this is tourist season. And so they're used to the tourists being weird. And he's like he's in he's obviously a tourist and So he's like, he's like he's like, I mean, we have cops in the Bahamas, that but we don't I don't think we have it as many as you guys do it, but they're around. And yeah, I'm bored. Well you call them Yeah. And the guy was like, That was weird. And then he just speeds off. And he says, he said, I'm Colton Harris more look me up on the internet, and then speeds off in the Speedboat. Speaker 2 So he's like, he's speeding through the ocean, right? He's like, and then part of them goes, I'm not even being chased. Speaker 1 He's like, this isn't fun anymore. To want to be. This is too easy. I want to be chased. It's about the chase for me. Like I'm being chased by Coast Guard pursue me. Come on, give me Unknown Speaker I'm available for it. You're not Speaker 1 gonna find it. So he's driving around this island that night. This is late at night waiting for the cop waiting for the police to show up. And the party was like, alright, we'll call him and so Speaker 2 he's straight up doing Grand Theft Auto. Yeah, he's just like, oh, like one star. Speaker 1 And so the police. They show up and they find him and they start chasing him. And he's he's in a speedboat that's Unknown Speaker so much faster than you. Speaker 1 He's so much faster. And so he's, he's losing them. Unknown Speaker But slowing down a little bit, just to just to keep just to keep him Speaker 1 like on Yeah. And so he's kind of toying with them. But he doesn't, he's not a local. He doesn't know. He doesn't know these waters. And so he's flying for now. And he hits the sandbar. And he gets caught in the sandbar. And he starts trying to back up and trying to push it and he's just digging themselves deeper into the sandbar. And so then the police catch up to him. And they kind of have this interchange. They're yelling at each other. He's throwing laptops into the ocean. And they're like, What are you throwing over there? It's not just my picture. I stopped Unknown Speaker don't worry about it. Yeah, Unknown Speaker they can swim. It's fine. All these rats, like so many rats frozen. Now they still frozen. Unknown Speaker Down the waters. Speaker 1 Water was cool. I could move I can run. I can freeze. So it gets into this interchange. And then the reports are foggy here. Unknown Speaker He got tased though. Speaker 1 It's not clear exactly what happens. There's there's a couple of versions of the story. But what the most accepted version of this story is that he took out his firearm, he pointed it himself. They had a 20 minute long conversation boat about Heart to Heart boat to boat. And then the conversation went south and he fired around and they lit the boat up. disabled the boat. Didn't hit him now. He was fine. And so then they came closer and they arrested him. So Bahamian government the next day, just parades for him. Yeah. They just parade them around the Bahamas. Oh, they literally take them around town. Like we got this guy. He's super wanted everyone us who is like, look him up. He's on the internet. He's got 20,000 Speaker 2 show up to the Shrek pre show to a high school play. We got. We got. We got him. Yeah, he's a bulletproof vest. Speaker 1 Yeah, they parade them around town. And like we got him. We got the guy hanging his head like that. Like, he's defeated. He's been caught. Yeah. And so the US is like, sweet, like, they got him. We'll get him extradited. And they were like, no, but they they're doing the math. They're doing the math. They're like, well, the charges he's facing in the Bahamas. He's looking at 10 years in prison in the Bahamas, and then we'll get him to the US and then he's looking at a lot more because he's like, over 100 felons, so they're like us keep him. Yeah, well, they're like, we're gonna have to wait for him to serve his time in the Bahamas before they extradite them to us. And so he goes, they wait a couple of weeks. He goes on trial. And in the Bahamas, for some reason. And no one really knows why Unknown Speaker was like, Oh, cool. Speaker 1 The only thing they charged him with he robbed a handful of homes. He crashed that plane, and he's sold a speedboat and he fired a shot at an officer. But the only thing they charged him with was entering the country without a passport, which was just a $300 fine. Speaker 2 And he was like, Oh, I threw that in the wall. Carter, he's like, Speaker 1 I just tried when I got stuck. And I weighed too much. I heard papers heavy Unknown Speaker through through $300. Exactly, yeah. Speaker 1 dollars. And so the United States government was like, we'll pay that fine. Can we have them? And so they did. They paid his fine. He was like, thanks. And he's like, you're welcome. And so they took him to court. And he I don't know, if he hired or managed to line up, pled not guilty, he lined up the same lawyer that Ted Bundy hired, oh, for a very specific reason. This gets kind of smart. He hired the same lawyer that Ted Bundy hired because this guy has expertise across state lines. Now, his expertise is not to do a not guilty plea is to do a guilty plea, but get the jury on your side and feel bad for you and lighten your sentence. Because he knew he's like, he's like, I did it. I can't get out of this. And he's like, but maybe I can get a lighter sentence if I hire someone who's really good at that. And so he gets this guy. And they have a very long hearing. But the the picture that they paint is that this is a kid who never had a chance he had a father that wasn't present. He had a mom who was an alcoholic, okay, he was actually he had fetal alcohol syndrome, because his mother drank while he was sure in the womb, and so and lived in poverty. And he was a good kid, like he tried the first time he was in prison. Sure. And he never hurt anybody. He didn't steal any more than what he needed. That was the picture that they painted. And so the Speaker 2 majority was like death. Kill the poor. Whoa, we didn't expect that outcome from the jury. It turns out the jury is a bunch of monsters. And so the jury was a jury of his peers. And he threw a ball into the ocean and Unknown Speaker I was really dumb, I'm sorry. Speaker 1 So the jury and the judge were like, they felt bad for the guy, cuz they were like, Yeah, he did a lot of things wrong. He's, he's a product of his environment. And so he ends up getting a kind of dual punishment. So the first time of the punishment was seven years in prison. Okay, well, she ends up serving five years and gets out on good behavior. So he got out in 2016. The other side of the punishment, this is an interesting part of the story that I haven't told you yet. Early in the story, after he has stolen the plane, that first time, he goes back to Oregon. And when he's in Oregon, he meets up with a lawyer on an island, he steals a boat goes onto an island meets up with this lawyer. And he says, Hey, he says, I want to sell my life story to a movie producer to make a movie out of this. He's like, can you help me do that? And they made it so you can't. And the lawyer was like, yeah, we can help you with that. And so he starts building this relationship with this lawyer, during this whole time when he's on his way to Indiana, setting up this relationship where he can sell his life story. So he can go to Cuba, sell a story, have a couple million dollars live off of that for the rest of his life. Unknown Speaker Sure. Speaker 1 The, the other part of the sentence was like, when you sell that, when you have that sale goes through, you have to use that to pay back all the people you robbed, and you can't keep a dime of it. And so he sells it for seven figures. He does sell to 20th Century Fox for seven figures, and he has to repay every person he's robbed, like cookies from. He's like, he's like, Yeah, I stole 1499 from your house. So here's that. So he didn't see a dime from Santa story. 20 Century Fox has used it to make two documentaries. And allegedly, they are working on a film, but there are YouTube Speaker 2 money, dude. What? They're gonna take our YouTube money 20 Century Fox. Yeah, not afraid of them. They're gonna say you can't tell a story. Now we get a cut of your YouTube earnings. Unknown Speaker What? Here's, here's the thing. I'm gonna be running so fast. Unknown Speaker They're gonna be like, where's this guy? Speaker 2 I've been doing this the whole episode. So I'm still I'm just got a couple more minutes here and I'm Speaker 1 done. So yeah, so they, so he didn't see a dime of that. He's, he got out. He started in 2017 a GoFundMe to get his pilot's license. And the FAA will never take that down. That's a scam. It's like bummer. Okay, you know, Unknown Speaker psycho. You know, you know, Unknown Speaker he really wanted it. Speaker 2 I don't know if well, he probably knew he probably knew he's been steady enough that he knows that the requirements are you can't be a felon. He liked Speaker 1 it. He liked it. There was something about the I just said that about crashing a plane Unknown Speaker are where to learn to lay. Speaker 1 And so in 2019, he started trying to make a career out of being a public speaker. But his parole officer didn't allow that. But it's true. It's travel there. Well, yeah, that's that's the big thing. But his parole ended in 2020. Obviously couldn't travel then. The question is, now that things have cleared and his parole is over. We might have him come to a town near you as a public speaker. Let's ask him he's been. So yeah, that's the story of the Barefoot bandit. Also known as Colton Harris more. Wow, he just got bored in the Bahamas. Unknown Speaker It's just uh, hey. Call the cops. Where are your cops? Um, I'm bored. Chase, Chase, come in. Come and get a photo. I was like, I was just joking about that kind of there. I thought I was gonna get away to be home. They Speaker 1 just chased me. They didn't do this part. And here's the wild thing is he wasn't that speedboat. And he, you know, you could kind of like lock the throttle. So he locks the throttle, and he's flying. Like, whatever's fast on a boat, I don't know, like 30 knots. And he's still standing in the boat. And he's looking back looking the other way, like, standing on the front of the boat looking the other way towards the cops chasing and they're far away, or far away. And he's just sitting there with the fiddle. Speaker 3 Things around last night is a production of space. 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In the annals of criminal history, few stories are as captivating and unconventional as that of Colton Harris Moore, famously known as “The Barefoot Bandit.” This young outlaw’s escapades captured the imagination of people worldwide and left a trail of disbelief and fascination in his wake. Colton Harris Moore: A Desperate Descent into Crime Colton Harris Moore was born in … Read More

Thomas Midgley – A Dangerous Mind

08-22-23

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Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Thomas Midgley Jr, Speaker 1 Thomas McGonigal, Unknown Speaker Midgley, Midgley, Thomas Midgley, Jr. No Speaker 1 heard his dad though. Senior. Thomas Midgley, Unknown Speaker Thomas Midgley, Jr. Unknown Speaker No, I have no idea who Speaker 2 you might recognize this quote from Speaker 1 what did he do all things through Christ who gives me strength? Speaker 2 That's a different guy. This is a quote from John Robert McNeil, the round, rundown really round environmental historian, okay. He said of Thomas Thomas, Jr. He said that Thomas had more of an adverse impact on our planet than any other single organism in the earth's history. Okay. He's a good guy. Unknown Speaker What do you just like chalk down for us ever for us for the sport? Speaker 2 If you dress nice, we're gonna be super rich. Yeah, because this is gonna work fantastic. Long story short, one day he got tangled up in these ropes and they Speaker 1 killed him. Oh, really? He didn't die. The polio. How much gasoline would you drink for a couple of million dollars. Speaker 2 But luckily he died early so we were able to kind of take back everything. Unknown Speaker Things I Learned last night Speaker 2 time is measured Lee Jr. He was born in 1889. In Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania. They named because there's a beaver Speaker 1 can't walk straight. The bar is called the drunk fever Speaker 2 drunk beaver. But he's not drunk. He just isn't coordinated. Looks like he just yeah, he's just wattles and false. So Thomas Mitchell Jr. was a an engineer. In mechanical and chemical he did both well over 100 responsible for the oil industry or why? Well, well offer was well over 100 Pass RNs to his name. Okay. Two of those patents, however, have been banned. And by who? Most the response all Unknown Speaker banned by most. Speaker 2 Most it's estimated that those two inventions Well, one of the two images actually. The first one is estimated that that has killed over 100 million people globally. And the other is estimated that it has cost the collective American IQ 824 million points since the 1940s. Maybe that IQ is not as I should have led with that that killing 100 million people was more significant than dropping What are Unknown Speaker you create the United States Government Speaker 2 television? I'm just kidding. No, Thomas Mitchell, Jr. Well, I should we should provide some backstory first, actually, before we get into Thomas Mitchell Jr. Okay. Have you ever heard of the automobile? Speaker 1 Yes. So so he did. He is responsible for the oil industry. But Speaker 2 not the oil industry. Okay, but he is adjacent to the oil industry. Jason Unknown Speaker got it cool. Yeah. Who says things like that? Go ahead. Unknown Speaker Okay. Automobiles. Have you heard of him? Unknown Speaker Sure. So he not horseless carriages Speaker 2 in pre 1920. I don't know bills. I don't know why he's saying automobiles. It just makes him sound older. If you say car It sounds more modern. His car short for carriage? I think so. Yeah. As automobile short for automobile. Billy as his automobile edge. But that was too much of a mouthful. Yeah. So they said automobile, automobiles, Unknown Speaker which is much easier to say. Speaker 2 Pre 1920. Yeah. They didn't start with like a key or anything like that. Or a push to start or remote start. They didn't have any of that yet. Sure. What they had was feelings was you Speaker 1 had to go out and be like, Hello. Hi. feelings start. Like I'm ready to drive. Now all you had to do was you had to go. Your feet underneath the car. Do you know what I'm referencing? Yeah, Flintstones. Okay. Why did you do that weird. Road Runner noise is the same thing. No, no, mine was which is like, you know, Flintstones feet and yours was? Yeah. Which is like Unknown Speaker I get me there. Speaker 1 Okay. There's no no, no, no, you're rolling. It's a it's a now I've lost it. Tim. Is I'm Morse code No, I Speaker 2 Oh, Got it. You're directing? He's got it. Yeah, but Avenue. Speaker 1 Close enough. Kinda Yeah, I was getting there. Speaker 2 No, you open up the hood and there was a little like kind of like a tire iron. So easy to get you stuck into the engine cranked it yanked it over to turn it over. And that's how you started the car. Yeah, the problem was Speaker 1 when like when you go camping and you've got one of those little lamps, that's battery powered. Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like you got a toy. The crank on the back, you crank it to get to go. Yeah, the early nuclear bombs Unknown Speaker were unlucky fellows. Speaker 2 This was one difficult like, it wasn't this wasn't a like, Oh, I'm great. It was, oh, I'm cranking like, this is hard to crank this engine start, you know? Yeah. It was it was tough enough where it was literally advertised that women can't start cars. Which is also something that the time they probably would have just said it. You could have just said Speaker 1 anyway, ya know, you're a poor old lady. You can crank that soulja boy. Speaker 2 And so it was, but it's also dangerous, because if you left that crank in there too long, it would start spinning with the engine and engines. Unknown Speaker And they would like to take your arm. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 So it was actually like a genuinely dangerous way to start a vehicle. But they just haven't come up with a better way to do it yet. Until a relatively notable person in the automotive industry is driving along the road. And there just happened to be a damsel in distress, whose car was on the side of the road, she couldn't get to start. So he pulls over to help her crank starts her engine. And a rather common issue happened where he didn't get the crank out in time. And it popped up and it caught him in the jaw and it broke his jaw. And he actually died as a result of his injuries. That was the time where a broken jaw could kill you. Okay, Speaker 1 I think I think it's more like the head trauma probably did it. Speaker 2 Yeah, that or an infection after the fact. Oh, maybe even more sure. But either way he got he got this injury and later died because of that injury. And a close colleague of him Charles Kettering who Kettering who worked for a research institute that worked closely with the automotive industry was like, we need to come up with a better solution for this Unknown Speaker people are getting hurt. We got to fill out an incident report about this. Unknown Speaker Do you want to tell your story? No, it's an active case. You can't I can't Unknown Speaker talk about my lawyers involved. Speaker 2 You don't have a lawyer you're representing yourself Unknown Speaker hey on the advice of my counsel, shut up so so this guy gets injured, guys. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And a friend of his basically invents the key the strike that way. This changed the game. Speaker 1 And he was like, well, the women are gonna lose these. Speaker 2 So he came up with air tags not back was out a long time ago. Now in creating that though, the first vehicle that used it was a different a slightly different style of engine. Okay, that compressed to the fuel a little bit more than normal. And so because of that it was significantly louder than most engines on the market. Speaker 1 So I asked him before we started recording I said you got interesting topics today are boring ones. And he said interesting. Hey, and here we are. i i Yeah, go ahead, buddy. Hey, don't worry Oh, we'll get the engines the the type of oil that would squeeze through the engine or is you know, compressing Unknown Speaker this is important backstory backstory is always boring. Okay. Unknown Speaker Okay, so I trust you Speaker 2 these in the engine in this car was really loud. Also, because it compressed this just feels Speaker 1 like we're going on a roller coaster. It's like thinking do you do the sound? Stupid. Bad. Yeah, and you're gonna tick tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. That's what it feels like right now. Unknown Speaker Yeah, cool. Unknown Speaker I'm glad you feel like that. no end in sight to the top of the coaster is just that there's another station at the top. Unknown Speaker Did everyone else to walk up the stairs? Speaker 1 On the coaster through this wild ride? Drag part of the tracks Michigan leaps over to the other. You know, Speaker 2 yeah, but the EPA said no one can ride this is two days, they'd already Speaker 1 built it. So they were like they just like that is, yeah, but all the theming is still there. And so it's like, come on guys, we got to get going with it. It just takes off without you, you know, Speaker 2 it's very So, so this engine was really loud, and it was also prone to misfiring. And that misfiring was also ridiculously loud and bad for the engine. And so Catherine had a problem that he needed to solve, which was this misfiring thing. And this the, how compressed the fuel got in this? Sure. And so he hires Thomas, mentally junior grade to come up with a solution for this. And so he tries a lot of different additives to add to gasoline to make it to where it doesn't compress as hard and doesn't lead to these potential failures. Unknown Speaker Fanta Orange, so Warren syrup, Speaker 2 he actually didn't check horns here. And I know he tried a lot of different things. And a difficult I won't maybe not difficult but annoying job probably because he did this. I mean, just a ridiculous amount of tests. And he actually has a quote where he said, the majority of the things he tried was like spitting in the Great Lakes. Which I like that phrase. Speaker 1 You can't say spitting in the Great Lakes USA spitting in the Great Lakes. Yeah, thanks. flows better. Yeah, it's like automobile versus Speaker 2 does it have the same flow as well, it's all about the flow. So Thomas Midgley, Jr. Here's a picture of them. While we're here, glad we got this Thomas mentally Jr. He went to work. And he realized, Oh, hey, it's like the 1920s. There's this thing that's everywhere. Called lead. And he said, What if I put some lead in it? Unknown Speaker Oh, he put the lead in the paint and all that stuff. Well, he put Speaker 2 lead and everything first. Well, yeah. Yeah. And then everything else, and then everything else. And then he led the way. Yeah, he loved the way. And he, here's the thing. It worked great. It worked. It did exactly what they needed it to do was a huge success. And it was also one of the cheapest additives that he found. Okay. And so he came to Kettering. And he said, we're going to be super rich. Yeah, because this is gonna work fantastic. And they renamed they, they packaged up this additive version of gasoline. They added a second added to its release. So they could just brand the gasoline, as ethyl. And they intentionally did not include the fact that lead was in this and any other marketing or any of their packaging. Lead was a major component in this, but they intentionally didn't include it because at the time, even at that time, they knew that lead was bad, very bad for you. They knew that probably about 150 years before this. There's documentation of Thomas, talking about how dangerous lead is that he was sick from his lead stocks pencil. Yeah, my mechanical pencils are making me sick. That's what he said. A direct quote from Thomas Jefferson, one of my personal favorites. Speaker 1 Hey, August 31. You've got plans? Do you got plans? You've got plans? Oh, Google Play is hosting a live stream on their YouTube channel. And we are hosting that live stream that they're hosting. We're gonna be in it. Yeah, we're Unknown Speaker gonna own a lot of fun. We're gonna be playing games, Unknown Speaker clear eight hours of your day. Unknown Speaker Whatever. It takes a beat to watch us on this. Speaker 1 If you're bored, don't go to your job and give very minimal effort that day. Put us on your phone, tablet, laptop, whatever it is. We're gonna be hanging out all day with Google Play on August 31. Yeah, pretty exciting stuff. Unknown Speaker Spam the chat say your name over and over and over again. Speaker 2 So they started marketing this, Ethel. They ran into issues pretty quickly. Okay, because they had a manufacturing plant that there are people there manufacturers were getting lead poisoning. And they were Speaker 1 like, well, it says about, they were like, ah, have you been seemed like we're in an ethic? Ethical core Speaker 2 ethical dilemma. Did you at the Likkle koyna. It's Unknown Speaker really trying to get it going. Unknown Speaker It's for ethical issues. Speaker 1 And what do you think about like if something is really cool. We say, as drainage to use wet as a barometer for how cool something is that way if it's not cool, we can say that's true. Unknown Speaker I'm just trying to I'm just an event. Speaker 1 You know, I'm just trying to get it out there, ya know? If you know but anyway, at the local, Unknown Speaker ethical, ethical. Unknown Speaker Of course, they're gonna lead poisoning. Speaker 2 Yeah, they're getting lead poisoning. And so the Unknown Speaker water, what would cause that the he's like, Unknown Speaker the rest of the world was like what's going on what's happening there now. Unknown Speaker So he hires Edward Bernays. Speaker 2 He actually holds a press conference to say, hey, yeah, there's a little bit of lead in this is not bad amount of that. Like, it's not a dangerous amount of lead. Maybe if you weren't there, like but we're, we're kind of upper safety precautions at our manufacturing plant, so there'll be fine. And he said, but wow, it's like, I can pour this gasoline all over my hands. I can look my hands afterwards. And I'm fine. And he did that at the press conference to show that like, hey, this isn't dangerous. And everyone was Speaker 1 like, Well, is there a movie that I'm thinking of? There? Yes. What is it where he's created a cleaning solution? And he goes on like QVC and the whole thing is that you can drink his cleaning solution. Oh my gosh, what movie is this? Speaker 2 Is that movie about Apple? What? The movie about Apple? Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a side story about a guy who made a cleaning solution. Now there's some movie. He makes a cleaning solution and the whole thing is that you can drink you know, he's like, he like Gatorade, right competitors stuff. Anything drinks there. You know? I can't think what it is out find out later. Yeah, so that's what he does. Yeah, he drinks QVC he goes out to a press conference. It was pouring it all over and like they're not filming at the time. They don't got that right. So he's just been in front of a bunch of Newsies. Yeah, he's like, go tell the town. I did tell every lead extra soggy man says the lead is safe. Unknown Speaker Midgley got Letty. And it's good. Speaker 1 Lead. He's their mascot. So he he gets highs, ironically. You know, anyway. Speaker 2 And so because of this is so cheap. Yeah. And because it solves the problem. Sure. The world is lining up to get some of his leaded fuel. And so that becomes a huge thing and gasoline. That's where I'm at it. Yeah, well, now that yeah, this next part of the story is why right now, yes, this is the leaded pre unleaded Speaker 1 is. I'm gonna ask a clarifying question in the middle of this episode. Yes. Is the fact that all gas pumps say unleaded? Is that where your story gets interesting? Because yeah, we're getting interesting now. I don't know. I'm interested to hear the Speaker 2 Snowball is picking up the Snowball is picking it up Unknown Speaker picking winners. Unknown Speaker Oh my god Unknown Speaker no, that's okay. Speaker 2 Have you ever been to a TED talk? Where like in the middle of a TED Talk someone's just like a witness the Unknown Speaker future so this is like Speaker 2 I've actually been to a performance of Shrek the Musical this high school. Kid was like what are they Speaker 1 one of the best videos I've seen is you may kiss the bride. Unknown Speaker Give the god tags. Speaker 1 It's Oh, it's Shrek. The musical. texts. No, Shrek is supposed to bust in and stop the the wedge between squad and Fiona. Yeah, Mrs. Q misses his cue. are just standing. It's a high school production. And they're just standing out there. No one says oh, they just they just but I mean, in a normal scenario, maybe the priests would say his line again to try Unknown Speaker and be like, yeah. Speaker 1 But it just looks like Lord far. Quad was awkward. homeschooler doesn't Unknown Speaker know. And he's part Speaker 1 five instead, you know? Yeah, yeah. And then Shrek comes out. Well, then this kid shots. What do you do? Do it just very funny. And then Shrek comes up and goes, hope they're waiting Speaker 2 up to the stage. That's a good scene. It's a good scene. Yeah, so very similar. So Speaker 1 we love watching high school productions. We should go to more high school. All productions. Speaker 2 The way you said that made you realize that I don't know if we're allowed to know, I Unknown Speaker think we're old enough now. Yeah, we could Speaker 2 pretend that like, we're related to one of them or something. Speaker 1 Well, I'm saying like there's an age, there's an age like, college and to where we are now. Like if you're like 20 something and hanging out. You're either a youth pastor or a creep or both. Yeah. And now we're at the age where it's like we can go to support local theater. Unknown Speaker Maybe if you dress nice enough. Speaker 1 We show tuxes. Okay. It doesn't look like we're trying to sneak into prom anymore. It's very clear. We're not high school Speaker 1 local high school production of grease. Yeah, in tuxes. Ah, the laws are regular gentlemen, you get dropped off in a limo? Yeah. The more we joke about this, the more I want to Unknown Speaker do more, it just did I get Speaker 1 phenomenal. We hire security Unknown Speaker really sharply dressed for this? Speaker 1 Yeah, we get like a full security team. We buy 20 tickets so that there's no seats around us. Just Speaker 2 to be fair, high school production tickets are like $3 a pop like we could easily buy. Unknown Speaker On the same page. Speaker 3 I mean, I feel like the the real power move is you buy like a six by six grid of seats just in the data center. Unknown Speaker We're all on the same page. Because Speaker 3 that way you also have like your whole security detail. And yeah, so rounding? Yeah, well, no, you have just like people all around the perimeter of it. So you have your entire detail that has to then come into the building and be like, oh, excuse me. Sorry. Speaker 1 Sorry. Sorry. Excuse me. Yeah. Your bottle of water, sir. Unknown Speaker We buy every single ticket except one. Unknown Speaker No, that's what you do to Criss Angel. Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying though. If you bought every ticket to a Criss Angel show you'd find out there's plants there. Speaker 2 Yeah, you would Yeah. Wait, no. I bought all that. Speaker 1 I know for a fact. You're not real. She's not real. That audience member anyway. Yeah. So local theater productions. Speaker 2 It's good idea. Speaking of local theater productions, the whole industry bought on to all this stuff they were they were stoked. And so like 90 Different in the industry awards were given to Thomas Midgley because he like changed the world or something. But he missed all of the acceptance ceremonies, because he was in Miami because he was recovering from lead poisoning. Unknown Speaker I remember getting a laugh at that. Speaker 2 And the reason he would turn is because he washed his hands in the stuff. Well, not Well, I mean, he because he was around the lead. Sure. And so he got lead poisoning. And what he said was I'm gonna go to Miami for a little bit to heal of my lead poisoning and breathe fresh air. Like he said that yeah, he thought that I guess the thing that fixes lead poisoning, it's fresh air, so I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know if he had a lead poisoning or if he just wanted a long vacation. Yeah, either way. He missed all of his acceptance. Speaker 1 I'm gonna stay home from work for two weeks. I have lead poisoning my doctor says so he hires the high school senior to act like a doctor. Hi, Speaker 2 I'm Thomas is Lance's lead is good deal you can tell he's led by the way as skid looks like silver painted gray Unknown Speaker Thomas's. Unknown Speaker He's got lead boy, Unknown Speaker he's also Sure. Speaker 1 No, I would do well. No, that's what happened to the fairytale goes. So he himself has lived in Miami. He's Speaker 2 in Miami. He's healing from famous breathe and breathe in fresh air where you can heal him in the money. And his his buddy mr. at Kettering gets a contract from a refrigeration company. And the company says, hey, the chemicals that we're using to refrigerate stuff are pretty volatile, what do they need to be for refrigeration, but they shouldn't be this volatile. They're like a lot of our fridges are blown up. And obviously, that's not something we want with our fridges. So can you come up with a solution for that? And so he calls up Thomas in Miami and says, I need you to come home. And he said, he said, No, I'm busy said I need you to come home Unknown Speaker the next fly home Speaker 2 thanks for checking out our show. If you like it, and you want to support be a part of what we're doing here. You can do that by becoming a patron. What happens there is you get to be in the community. We have a discord with our hosts and producers, we have a lot of fun. We're super active in there every day you get access to add free content a week before everybody else. And we have a zoom every month with our patrons. We hang out we eat pizza, we get to know you a little bit better. It's a blast. And there's a ton of other different benefits like merch discounts, birthday messages, things like that, that are super cool. If you want to be in that you can just text HiLine to 66866 and that'll get you right in there. If not, we're just super glad that you're here. And thanks for watching our show. Speaker 2 Kettering is like we got it. We got a new project. He said you got to come up with a new fuel source for refrigerators for refrigerators. And so he invent Freon Long story short, which is a big part of Yeah, fridges and AC units still cars to this day? Yeah, they call them CFCs. But they branded it as Freon they brand named it Freon Sure. Because again, the contents of it are toxic to human consumption or consumption. I don't know if that's the right word human touch. Yeah, just being around it kills you. Is the point of the story. I guess human touch. I mean, touch and smell. And human touch carries you and well depending on your your Enneagram type Speaker 1 and youth group as well or church camp, but human touch will kill you. Speaker 2 Yeah, that's Well, it depends on the human. So he invents Freon and it's another huge success. Big hit. They are absolutely rolling in it super rich. Well, good. They're Speaker 1 needed to pay their legal fees for the other stuff. Speaker 2 Yeah. So people start to discover that both of these things are really bad for you. But it takes a while like the 50s or 60s. And now we still use Freon though. Kinda okay. So, so lead was banned from being in gasoline. Okay. And it was kind of like this it well, after he died. So maybe maybe I should maybe I should finish Thomas's story for a second. Thomas went on to invent a lot of other stuff got super rich was relatively noteworthy throughout his life. And then he got polio. And couldn't walk anymore. So he invented some stuff to help them be able to walk and one of the things he invented was a bed that couldn't move like a hospital bed does now. Oh, Ben for Speaker 1 I want you to know what I pictured was a full bed. Good stand up like a transformer. And like half the bed would be his legs. Panda bed the whole bed mattress down the hall. That's what I picture twin size or king size. Probably full. You know, Queens might be a little too wide for it's a one person bed. Yeah. A couple wake up. Speaker 2 And it's like it's like a what's a three legged race? So I'm used towards the one in the middle doesn't switch. Speaker 1 You got a three? Yeah, yeah, it's like you're it's like what's your sleep number? You know? It's like walking too fast. Unknown Speaker Slow down. Yeah, so he Unknown Speaker fast walker you are Bri. Speaker 2 Usually me, every once in a while breed speeds up for some reason. Or, as usually me. Speaker 1 Depends on where we're at. Sometimes usually it's me. Yeah. But if we're at Disney, Regan is sprinting everywhere to get our pins. Unknown Speaker Yeah, my buttons Speaker 2 so he invented this bed that moves up and down. But the it was it was primitive. It wasn't like our modern hospital beds are I've been saying it was like a series of pulleys and ropes and stuff that like moved it Speaker 1 also had led, like, just none of it was like good. No. Speaker 2 And so he long story short one day he got tangled up in these rubs and they killed him. Speaker 1 Oh, really? He didn't die or the polio. I mean, he died of his machine. Speaker 2 Yeah. But it wasn't it wasn't it, he wouldn't have died if it weren't for polio. So he died because of the polio, but also, I guess. But this was November 2 1944, the very end of the war early enough to where I don't think he was aware of what was about to happen with all of his inventions, and how negative and impact he had on the world. Speaker 1 However, why did they say he's responsible for 100,000? Because of World War Two? Yeah, he started World War Two, Speaker 2 you know, however, there is so publicly it was, he was moving his bed and he got tangled up and there is reports that it was he did it on purpose. Oh, and that Saturday. Some people think that it was the guilt because he he knew that lead was bad for you. He knew that lead was bad for you and he was lying about it. And he went to extensive late lengths like that, that first to prove it was fine to prove it was fine. Even though he knew all experts nature that led consumption was bad. And so he knew it was a dangerous thing. But he got was getting really rich. So he just turned a blind eye. Same thing with Freon. When Freon came out. He inhaled a bunch of Freon like it was helium and blew out a candle to show them like, hey, it's safe. It wasn't and he knew it wasn't. But he was like he was like, I'll do it once to make a couple million dollars. It'll be fine. Unknown Speaker Okay, yeah, I mean, how much gasoline would you drink for? A couple of million dollars. You know? Speaker 2 That's the thing though. I don't know how much gasoline you can drink. He knows exactly how much you can. If I understood how much you can drink? Sure, I'll drink a gallon or two. Speaker 1 How much you can drink? That's true. Yeah, true. You're saying that if the amount is let's say the AB let's say the amount is three ounces, you go either a gallon or two. You know the amount of three ounces? Like if I know three ounces, I'll drink a gallon to know if I don't three ounces. I will hold you to what you said originally. Speaker 2 If I think it's a gallon or you drink that amount, I would drink as close as I can get to the legal amount without Have you seen that episode of nevermind Speaker 1 jet video of the girl who couldn't figure out how to unstop the gas thing. And so her gas things like spraying and all that. Yeah. She's like, What do I do? She said it's okay. It's only three ounces. Speaker 2 It's fine. It's done. Yeah, so he knew it was bad. And so a lot of people thought that he was like, maybe like way down with the shirt because he knew it was a problem. I don't think he recognized how big a problem was. I don't think he knew Freon was as big of a problem as it was. But here's some things that we've learned after the fact. Obviously, I've alluded to it, I think I actually flat out said that led was banned led paint was banned in 78. And lead so much longer getting banned. Yeah. And by the end of the 70s, lead was banned from just about everything. Sure, there wasn't a lot of chemical usages, and was banned from just about everything. What's interesting is we know that especially for children that lead just like being around lead and breathing that in limits your cognitive growth, specifically parts of the brain that are related to like decision making. And so there's a very interesting correlation that's been drawn of the crime rate in connection to lead being in gasoline and paint. So here's a graph. The black line is the blood lead content level of children in the United States. The red line is the crime rate, violent crime rate in the United States. This is adjusted 20 years. So you'll notice the graph at the bottom has two sets a number occurs. And so when lead started being popularly used in the nation, 20 years later, the violent crime rate started to rise. And as it got more common, it peaked in it, it follows pretty closely. And then when lead got outlawed 20 years later, the violent crime rate started to deployment. This is true, not just in the US, but globally. This is these are graphs of Australia, Canada, Great Britain, New Zealand. And so this isn't just like a thing where it's like, oh, this happened in the US. It happened everywhere in the world, and everywhere in the world banned it. And when they did, the violent crime rate started to plummet significantly. Which is very interesting. Huh. Speaker 1 It feels like it does seem like they all hit us like a stagnation point, though. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that's just the normal crime. That's that's the normal human propensity to crime. I mean, you're gonna cry and they're gonna cry. I just needed to pull over and get a good crime and sorry, Cry Cry Unknown Speaker that's what we all said. Right. We all said cry. Yeah, Unknown Speaker I like to cry from time to time. Speaker 1 Sometimes I just like to release what's in me by this need a good crime. Crime scene should Speaker 2 get a good crime in I'm just trying to get a good climate. But, uh, yeah. And that that led led to the lead caused a collective IQ drop of 824 million points in the United States. Wow. Which is a lot so. And then a lot of people died of lead poisoning. So there's a lot of people estimate 100 million people who died of lead poisoning or lead poisoning related illnesses. Variable 100 million globally during this timeframe when lead became popu popularly used because of him. Sure. But it wasn't just the lead. It was the free the Freon was a big thing to CFCs got banned in 1994. And what's really interesting is, and 2020 Freon as we know, it was completely banned as well. They've got a new version. Okay. Yeah. The guy came in. He drank a bunch of it. Sure. But the there's evidence that the CFCs were the reason for the hole in the ozone layer, because it was used in not just Freon and air conditioning and refrigeration. Yeah. But that was like the main component and like for breeze sprays, like anything that was a spray, and those went up in the atmosphere. You see all those Speaker 1 videos couple years ago, they were like, remember, like it took them 14, when people were talking about the whole ozone layer. Then one day, we just stopped hearing about it during those videos, and you're like, yeah, man, we did stuff and they fix that. Unknown Speaker Well, a lot of people think it's the banning of the CFCs. Because Unknown Speaker what I know is caused the hole in the ozone layer. Tell me Speaker 2 about it. Oh, it was when God reached in and pulled the Garden of Eden out and moon. Speaker 1 What I gotta say, okay, but I've got these little pucks around my house. All right. There's all this Oregon, Unknown Speaker or Yeah. Unknown Speaker What are we looking at now? Speaker 2 So this is the Earth from above the Northeast pole. Okay, and in this graphic, the hole in the ozone. If you look up at the top of the 79, that little tiny blue area is the area that's okay. Okay, as you move along in time, the blue area is the area that's getting better. So we have a kind of rough patch that's happening right now. But for the most part ever since CFCs got banned. The ozone layer has been healing and getting a lot better. Have we not banned in 79 a lot of climate experts say that the planet probably would have been uninhabitable by 2060. And now they expect the hole in the ozone layer to be gone and completely healed by 2060. And so this guy, potentially I mean, the climate issue is this guy's fault. Also so good legacy, okay. He Yeah, so he killed the most people out of anyone ever damaged the planet? Almost erupt irreparably, right. But luckily he died early. So we were able to kind of take back everything. I think they took back his rewards but he never accepted them. So it was fine to Well, it's Speaker 1 because I went back in time to November 2 1944. And he said, Hey, don't you need to leave your bed up first, and I only killed one. Oh, wait, hold on. What? Who was another person who were killed in 1944? Who's everyone said they go back Time to Kill. Really want Disney? Yep. But really you killed Speaker 2 you killed the guy who was more I said there was a show dangerous Speaker 1 of like the if time travel is real. Yeah. And like someone hasn't gone back and killed Hitler then there's something there's somebody worse someone that did get killed. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting concept. Yeah So yeah, that's Thomas Midgley he was a most dangerous man has ever lived I guess Unknown Speaker technically. That's where we're going with Okay big nerd though. Big Nerd big nerd big Unknown Speaker danger. Unknown Speaker Oh, Er. Er, yeah. All right. Are we ready to end this thing? Unknown Speaker Yeah, okay, you have something that you want to Yeah, hold on I gotta say Unknown Speaker we're gonna be doing federal Speaker 1 things on last night is a production of space. Tim media produced by Christian Taylor audio is edited by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic design by Caleb Goldberg. Our hosts are Jaron Meyers and Tim stone please follow us on social media at tilam podcast that's ti LL IN podcast, leave a review, comment, subscribe, wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on my site. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


In the realm of scientific innovation, specific individuals stand out for their exceptional contributions to the progress of humanity. One such figure is Thomas Midgley, whose brilliance led to significant advancements in both the automotive and refrigeration industries. However, alongside his notable accomplishments, Midgley’s legacy is marred by controversies that serve as a reminder of the complex ethical dilemmas that … Read More

Glitter – Unveiling The Glitter Conspiracy’s Enigmatic Secrets

08-15-23

Episode Transcription

Made by robots for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Speaker 1 Okay, here we go. Hey, man. Are you recording? Yeah, okay, cool. Hey, man. I asked you Speaker 2 if you're ready. And then you did some weird like, I did not do anything. I do. Yeah, Unknown Speaker I did nothing weird. I did everything. Speaker 2 Weird. clingstone something I do every time we shoot. Yeah. And then you did like your feet underneath the table like you're getting ready to car. Speaker 1 I need you. I did something I absolutely do every single time you shoot, so I don't need you to do whatever this is. Okay, anyways, have you ever heard of glitter? Glitter? Yeah. Have you ever heard of glitter? Unknown Speaker Like the like the stuff? Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Like, like the Yeah. Yeah, like the stuff physical glitter. physical, real life. Glitter. Yeah. dabbled? Yeah. Did you? Do you know there's a conspiracy surrounding glitter? Speaker 2 I don't know what this means. What do you mean? What do you mean, there's a conspiracy surrounding glitter. Unknown Speaker I don't know how to make that more clear to you. Speaker 2 I mean, you could spend an hour talking about it. If you want to do a full episode on it. Unknown Speaker Let's go. Alright, cool. Sounds good. Let's do this. Speaker 3 You going to ask questions? Or are you going to go home to your family? We really got it. Yeah, we got why we buy that? Because you said it. Speaker 2 You don't have to do it. You said me saying it doesn't mean you have to spend the money on you're gonna need to talk to somebody about how much free time you got to listen to a podcast about glitter. Things I Learned last night Speaker 2 I think every time you start an episode, what I've suggested probably 30 topics here. And I every time I think you're gonna bring one up. I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna have to be like, oh, yeah, never heard of that. You know? And every time you go glitter Okay, sure. I guess it's what we're talking about. Unknown Speaker You want me to start doing your topics? Unknown Speaker I would. Why was when I send them to you tonight and I'll start keeping track Unknown Speaker of your recommendation. Speaker 2 Let me tell you about glitter. Okay. Yeah. Tell me what do you got to say? I used to be an Uber driver. Right. Yeah. And certain places in Kansas City. Yeah. When you pick patrons up? Yeah, it is. No, your car is gonna be covered and you're gonna get some glitter. Yeah. So I know about glitter. And that's subway. Subway restaurants. That you know, whoever you're gonna pick up. patrons. Yeah. There you're gonna pick up a little glitter bug. Unknown Speaker I don't think that's what they call themselves. Subway people. Speaker 2 Oh, no, I thought people who were into glitter. Okay. What's the conspiracy? Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, so okay, we gotta back up. Glitter. Speaker 2 In glitter is always a fun idea. But we did the Christmas episodes. It's there's still glitter. Yeah, we're Speaker 1 still finding it. We're still finding it. And yeah, I vacuum pretty hard. After that. Speaker 2 Show us what that looks like Tim, what you think vacuuming pretty hard. Looks like Unknown Speaker okay, oh, that ASMR was good for you. Yeah. Okay, so, Speaker 1 in fall of 2018 Glitter was a trending word on Google search trends. Everybody was looking for glitter. I don't know why everybody wanted some glitter for stuff, you know, whatever reason, is just popular. Okay. And so the New York Times saw this as an opportunity to write an article as most outlets like that. Unknown Speaker Yeah, there was sort of returning topics Okay, glitter, and so Speaker 1 they put their journalist by the name of Katie Weaver on it and said, Hey, do an article about glitter, like maybe how it's made or what it is or whatever, like just do something interesting, not glitter. It's trending right now. Let's get an article about about glitter. And so she starts doing some research and she finds that there's kind of like a mecca for glitter in the world. And that's New Jersey, New Jersey, is where all the glitter comes from. The majority of the major manufacturers of glitter are in New Jersey, mainly two companies, but one by the name of glitter X I'm gonna show you a picture of I got a picture of glitter X. Speaker 2 Thank you for this. This gives me a lot of context. It's just a picture of their office building Unknown Speaker a just normal building company. Speaker 2 I know a lot more about this conspiracy now that I've seen this building. Yes, go ahead. Speaker 1 Meadowbrook glitter, which I don't have a picture of them. They're a little bit more so Speaker 2 once you Google Streetview it I use the same Can you Can they Speaker 1 Meadowbrook glitter fun fact about metal brick glitter owns a property that's about 100 acres. And they got a factory about the same size just in the middle of the woods on their property. Right. They're a little bit more secretive than glitter x's. On Can you Skyview it. I mean, you can but there's trees like that. Yeah, they they're there. They're hiding some things. Meadowbrook Okay, so metadata is the other big one in New Jersey. The other largest one in the world is one called RJ a plastics. And they're actually out of Germany. New Jersey, Germany. Unknown Speaker Very similar. So. Okay, what Unknown Speaker could you possibly have questions about right now? I just Speaker 2 I sometimes I think about, like, wanting to like run a business and like make money. Yeah. Right. And then I find out there are entire companies that just make glitter. Yeah. Unknown Speaker When I guess I just Speaker 1 I don't know, man. Yeah. And they make a lot of money doing it. Speaker 2 There's no entrepreneurs starting glitter companies. Yeah. Yeah, because it's not no one's like trying to be the next big thing and glitter. Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's an industry. No one's trying to Unknown Speaker glow up you know? Unknown Speaker Yeah. That's an interesting. Speaker 2 I'm trying to imagine who's at a dinner party being like, yeah, I work. I work in glitter. Speaker 1 And we're trying to do we're just doing the next biggest thing. Here's the thing we got glitter that serve I mean, people Unknown Speaker do we put on a new glitter every month. Unknown Speaker We call glitter the month. Yeah. You wouldn't Speaker 2 even know that if you sign up for our newsletter. The month. Say guys litter. Unknown Speaker We caught glump. Gone. Unknown Speaker Okay, during the month. Unknown Speaker I'm just saying like, it's just weird. There's Okay, go ahead. Speaker 1 So these companies are the biggest glitter companies in the world. Yeah. So she goes, Unknown Speaker Are there any mom and pops? Yeah, there's Speaker 1 some small ones all on Etsy. Yeah. Well, maybe. I mean, I'm sure they're on Etsy, but they they're, like any other anti artists tiny piece of corporations got their foot on their throat. You're not getting any better. Yeah, okay. So so she goes to Jersey, because she's like, there's the most manufacturers that are that one of there's one in Germany, and she's not gonna talk to them. She's gonna talk to the two in the States. She goes to New Jersey. She reaches out to glitter X and to Meadowbrook Meadowbrook says absolutely not. We're not talking to you. Glitter exes. Sure. Come on down. We'll give you a tour. We'll tell you how it's all made. Whatever, right? So they're giving her the tour, walking her through how to make glitters. Yeah, Speaker 2 I went over to Meadowbrook and they go home Hold on. I have one of the bathroom. Tour Guide disappears. And then half of the lights shut off. Suddenly, she and her photographer heard a weird hallway half lit, right. And then down the hall. Very far long hallway. You see two double doors just open. Standing in the middle of that middle door is what I could describe as a human shaped disco ball. We don't know if it's a human, but it's something covered in glitter. And it's moving toward them. It's getting bigger, you know? And they realize pretty quickly. There's no way out of this place. All right. And they're they're tugging the doors. They're sitting there doing all this stuff, right? They're like, I can't get out. Please. No, please help me. Ah, they're yelling no one can hear their cries. And then just before this beast reaches them, the lights all slam back on these disappears. Guy comes out. He goes whispers in their ear. Never say that again. Unknown Speaker Sir, what was that? Speaker 3 Are you going to ask questions? Or are you going to go home to your family? Unknown Speaker I guess I'll go home to my family. Unknown Speaker Perfect. Would you like to take a sample of our glitter with you? Unknown Speaker That was their encounter with the Middlebrook beast. Yeah, so just Unknown Speaker They always got Glitz. Speaker 1 So they didn't get to go to mountain Brook. But they get to go to glitter X. They do the tour, right Rex. And they're seeing how it's made, or they're hearing about the history of the company and all this stuff. And then sure, while they're on the tour, Weaver asks a question, a very simple question and says, Hey, what's, what's your biggest industry that you guys serve? Unknown Speaker Yeah, who do they sell to? Speaker 1 And she's like, she's like, I can't, I can answer that. Terrorists. And she says, she says, you couldn't answer that. Or you're not allowed to answer that. And she says, Oh, no, absolutely. No, but I can't. And so the reporter says, But you know what it is? And she says, Oh, god, yes. And you'll never guess it. Let's just leave it at that. And so the reporter says, Well, Speaker 2 anytime you say, if you're talking to a reporter, maybe avoid the phrase, let's just leave it at that. Because that's just to a reporter. They go, this is my big Brad tell Speaker 1 reporter it's do you would you like me to give you a million dollars? Yeah. Unknown Speaker And I will say, Oh, it's the same word. Speaker 2 To report are they here six months from now you're gonna be on every news station in the country. Speaker 1 And so so she that she You're right. She knows that the US government should not leave it at that. She says, Oh, why? Like, Why can't your Why can't you tell me that? Hold on? Unknown Speaker I have to go to the bathroom. Here like, Speaker 1 okay, and the same thing happened there that what happened at Meadowbrook? Oh wait, I can't talk about Meadowbrook I didn't get Speaker 1 so she says she says okay, so you don't tell me. Don't tell me. You can't tell me. She's like, No, I can't. And she's like, Well, why? And she says they will murder Unknown Speaker be the rest. Unknown Speaker Rex? Good. Kids, Speaker 2 because I have a family because I have people that I love who rely on me. Speaker 4 She says because they don't want anyone to know what it is. Speaker 2 That's the weirdest thing to say to somebody. Honestly, you know, what I love is that there's no vai or it. It's just a worker, bro. You work at glitter X dude. Nothing exciting ever happens. And then here comes this fancy report. asking all these questions. Well, you guys found it. Oh, you know, you know what kind of colors because how many colors Can you print glitter? You know what size is glitter. And then you disgruntled worker as glitter Emporium just keeps a look at this as far as I go. So who do you sell the most glitter to? Oh, I can't tell you that. I'll never tell Speaker 2 you could just you could just back into a dark hallway. And just, you know if someone else comes out and goes Gree talking to you know, like you could like, can we get it right now that if at a reporter is everywhere, anywhere near us, we convinced them I'm Amish or something. I'm just adjacent or something and be like yeah, we can't tell you that. Oh, never. And then you just, you know, sad like that, that. Unknown Speaker You could be on video. And suddenly Speaker 2 Imagine that. You're just like, here's like, I don't know. And then months from now you look out your window, your lunch break. And you see that reporters sleeping in their car outside your building with like a look at and you're like, oh, no, no, I've ruined their Unknown Speaker life. Someone insane. Yeah. Speaker 2 Because it's like there's two people who never let go of a hunch. Right? And it's reporters, and then those weird private investigators in these documentaries. Yeah, Unknown Speaker yeah. Yeah. Which is there were always like, Speaker 2 yeah, I staked out their house for six months. Turns out, they weren't involved. Unknown Speaker Turns out they're super normal. Unknown Speaker restraining order. Speaker 2 Yeah, my wife's gone. So I have a lot of free time. I'm not allowed in the neighborhood anymore. Speaker 1 So she asked a follow up question, because you're right, the answer, because they don't want anyone to know what it is was an answer that makes you say, Hold on. I need to know more. More questions? Yeah. And so she says so the report asks her and says if I looked at it, what I know it was glitter. And she said, No, not really. And since then, she asks what I'd be able to see the glitter. And she said, Oh, you'd be able to see something but it's, yeah, I can't. And that's where the conversation ends. And so our biggest Speaker 2 customer is Meadowbrook, who then resells our glitter at a markup. So our biggest customer is a teenager in Denver, Colorado, who has an online e commerce store sells our glitter. marked up price Speaker 1 on Etsy. I've never even heard of Etsy. You know what that is? Speaker 2 Yes. I don't know what Etsy is. I don't know what it's they don't want you to know what else? Yes. Okay. Speaker 1 So she writes this down in her notes. Yeah, she goes and writes an article about words that are comes from and what it Speaker 2 goes, and they won't tell me who they see. And then at the Speaker 1 literally at the end, she says, also, by the way, I had this weird conversation, here's how it went, and leaves this conversation and the article. And the internet was like, Hold on. Unknown Speaker Wait, tell me more. Unknown Speaker I liked the internet made it to the end of an article, Speaker 1 saying I do really appreciate that. I really appreciate that. Someone on Reddit found it, put it on Reddit, and a subreddit was born to try to solve who is buying all the glitter? A theory or a a lie began to be perpetrated within the subreddit that there was a glitter shortage. That's not true. But they that that came from the subreddit and everyone's like, there's a glitter shortage. And it's because whatever this industry is, they're buying up all the glitter and using it in something that they don't want us to know what it is. And so, this was in December of 2018, that this article came out. And since then, people have been vigorously trying to discover they haven't figured it out where the recording is from. Here's the thing. There's a lot of theories. Some people are very confident that they've figured it out. Okay. Before we do I'm curious if you have any ideas of what you think this industry this mystery industry is. Unknown Speaker It's Bethel. Speaker 2 That checks out it is checks out charismatic churches with Yeah, with the gold diary. Fine. Unknown Speaker Yeah. That checks out. Speaker 2 I really probably web II wrestling. Think that the wrestlers aren't real dude. I've thought that for years, man. I've been like these are globs of glitter. Put together, dude. And I can smell what they're cooking. All right. You can't get that past me. Speaker 1 That's why every time one of them gets punched, it's just as puff of glitter. And nobody talks about that. Speaker 2 I don't know what it would be. I'm trying to think of like the farthest thing from it. Probably the meat industry. Are we eating glitter? Unknown Speaker Interesting. Are we? My real thought is? Let's see. Because when she's like you wouldn't know it's glitter. Yeah. What does that mean? Unknown Speaker Yeah, I mean, like, you could say, this Speaker 2 is absolutely an employee messing with somebody. That's my real theory. Unknown Speaker That's an interesting theory. I haven't I haven't heard of that anywhere. Unknown Speaker Yeah, now it's been like five years, and they're a little too far deep. Speaker 1 Yeah, they're like, we can't come out with the truth now. It's just like, Speaker 2 they reached back out to glitter expert. Additional comments. And glitter X was like, Who told you that? Like that person? She doesn't work here, which seems more suspicious that they're like who? Yeah, who told you that? And then that person gets fired. Yeah. And then everyone goes, see they are hiding something. But it's like, guys. Clint was just weird. Hey, August 31. You've got plans? Do I've got plans. You've got plans. Oh, Google Play is hosting a live stream on their YouTube channel. And we are hosting that live stream that they're hosting. We're gonna be in it. Yeah, we're Speaker 1 gonna be having a lot of fun. We're gonna be playing games, clear eight hours of your day. Whatever. It Unknown Speaker takes a beat to watch us on this. Speaker 2 If you're bored, don't go to your job and give very minimal effort that day. Put us on your phone, tablet, laptop, whatever it is. We're going to be hanging out all day with Google Play on August 31. Yeah, pretty exciting stuff. Unknown Speaker Spam the chat say our name over and over and over again Unknown Speaker there's a few theories. Yeah. that have popped around the and I Unknown Speaker got no idea. Unknown Speaker A big one. toothpaste. Unknown Speaker So dumb, stupid. A lot of people really Unknown Speaker liked this theory. A lot of people like blue toothpaste. Unknown Speaker Yeah that has like Speaker 2 to say and what I would say the next time is when when the reporter next time when a reporter goes, you know who's your biggest client? Yeah, I'm just gonna go You wouldn't believe me Unknown Speaker I can't say I Speaker 2 can't say anything. You wouldn't believe me. Toothpaste. Why is that a favorite? Because the little blue sparkles Speaker 1 on it? Yeah, cuz there's toothpaste that has what looks like glitter in the toothpaste. And I mean toothpastes are plastics so most people would be like I don't want that in my body. And so they would secret ties that Unknown Speaker secret ties it okay Speaker 4 secret ties that secret I have right now. I'm gonna tell you said the budget the province promise Speaker 2 privatize you have to privatize you will you say to me okay. Speaker 1 One of them. Another popular theory is a shampoo shampoo. Yeah, similar answer. I haven't seen someone say that but similar thought Unknown Speaker try to think of my household products that have glitter in it now Speaker 1 another soap Yeah, that's another option. Another really popular one is resorts are putting it in the sand on the beaches to make it glisten more Unknown Speaker like I know Speaker 4 they're walking out there imagine that your job is to get the glitter to Speaker 2 go out there and you just and it washes away every day. Yeah, everybody you walk Unknown Speaker out there it's like a salt and pepper shakers are dying Speaker 2 in zero salt pepper shaker wouldn't be that these are resorts these are fancy places Unknown Speaker Come on, Speaker 4 tell me what to tell me. When you sit down. You get your towel out. You put your umbrella you open the book and then the beach boy what are the column? Guns it says Tell me when it is. Yeah, there's the sand around glitter I'll see Speaker 2 comes out in the 70s it's the same girl from she's old now. She's Yeah, yeah, she's the glitter gal. Yeah. Speaker 1 Similar theory to that is that there's a sand shortage right now, apparently. And they the same shortage like diluting the same Speaker 2 watch of it down. Okay. I'll tell you why. There's a sand shortage. It's all in my freakin towel and my shower and stuff when I come home. My butt crack and I don't leave the beach and the sand shortage for sure. Do you Speaker 1 know what they say? There's a sand shortage. So they're diluting the sand that they sell. So it's like 70% Sand 30% Glitter can mix it up and they put it in sandbags and sand for playgrounds and stuff and construction and whatever you say I'm Unknown Speaker saying 20% glitter. Okay, Speaker 1 that's a popular theory. Another really big one that has bombs. Why? Why Speaker 2 I don't know. To go to big Lockheed Martin to make Speaker 4 them more balmy, balmy by me. You know what you know what just really adds insult to injury when you blow up Speaker 2 glitter. Glitter rating sucks. Unknown Speaker Like I lost my leg and my dignity. Speaker 2 My birthday party got droned, but glitter was kind of a nice touch. So toothpaste beaches, toothpaste, Speaker 1 beaches, sand sand itself. Another popular one is boats. Unknown Speaker Making boats that are glitter. Speaker 1 No boat paint. Have you ever seen a boat? They're sparkly. Unknown Speaker My car is sparkly car paint. Speaker 1 car paint is sparkly. Here's the thing with a lot of these theories Speaker 2 that like that's put Why would she not say those Speaker 4 well okay, so yes sand so toothpaste. You don't want to consume sure the plastic sand you want to keep Speaker 2 the mysteriousness of you know because the resorts are playing god yeah they're like Look Look how beautiful the beaches are sand is yeah we go out and we literally ocean so that it sparkles Speaker 1 so it's a similar theory there is like It's like they're maintaining a lie. There's a couple other ones that are similar as like fake jewelry. countertop companies are like yeah, it's this is marble but it's just normal with glitter. Yeah, and Speaker 2 you're stupid dumb eyes. Look at it you go. Unknown Speaker Are those the hearts? Speaker 2 I don't know. I've never seen marble before he cards it looks different up close. Unknown Speaker And so this is Speaker 2 caves. Probably caves. Because all the rocks Speaker 4 owl rocks rake. Yeah, yeah, rocks aren't real. So they there's holes. Guys like to say that you say that one part. And now Speaker 1 rocks are real.com.com Unknown Speaker All right, glitter rocks.com Unknown Speaker I'm sure that's the thing. Speaker 1 rocks aren't real.com We got it. All right. Unknown Speaker We really got it. Yeah, we got it. Why did we buy that? Unknown Speaker Because you sent it. You don't have Speaker 2 to do it. You said it me saying it doesn't mean you have to spend the money on it. Unknown Speaker I thought that's how this works. All right. I thought that's what business meant. Unknown Speaker When I say something, you spend money on it. Yeah, my car is broken. Unknown Speaker You said it Unknown Speaker that's got to be like a local mechanic. Speaker 1 It's taken. Car is broken.com is not though. No. Okay, an opportunity. Okay. So there's this whole subset of like, they're lying to you about what this product is right? By putting glitter in it and being like, it's marble. It's sand. Speaker 2 There's got to be a nefarious motive. Yeah. And so that Speaker 4 that's interesting ish. Maybe it cannot really those could be the there's Speaker 1 another there's obviously the toothpaste. Another one similar is sugar. They don't want it. And so the idea was sugar is a couple of couple possibilities. One, they're making it shinier, because it's sugar kind of glistens. A little bit. Yeah. Another one is that there could be supply chain or shortage ish issues that they're trying to artificially inflate the market to keep the prices up Speaker 2 sugar market. Yeah. Because Because kind of sweeten the deal. Glitter Speaker 1 costs, glitter cost more than sugar. And so it doesn't make sense to dilute. Like you're not saving money by tricking people and having some glitter in there and not sugar. You're not saving money that way. So there has to be a lot of their glitter doesn't Speaker 2 dissolve in my coffee. So like, Unknown Speaker well, this sugar is really thinking. Mm hmm. Interesting sugar Unknown Speaker coffee grounds while we're having we might as well say it Speaker 4 while we're here. There was a someone online who said hot dogs. Put it in the chest. If you look at our dog, raw dog, it does glisten a Speaker 2 little bit wonder how Joey Chestnut feels today? Bad. Guaranteed Bad. Bad day. Unknown Speaker Do you think Joey Chestnut cuts Wait, Speaker 2 do you know that he goes he got paid $40,000 from Pepto Bismol. To compete and some of these things Unknown Speaker make sense? Yeah, that's a that's a great project for them. Unknown Speaker He makes half a million dollars a year. Speaker 1 He's kind of like it's kind of like Warped Tour where they have Monster Energy. He had the board for water. Yeah. And the cans. He's got Pepto Bismol Joey Chestnut. Speaker 2 is like an airline pilot in that for the first few years of your eating career. You don't make a lot of money. But then like 25 years in, you get paid a lot. You get there, but only if you're a champion. Unknown Speaker Yikes. Speaker 2 Okay. Let's see what else sparkles. Contact lenses so that your lover thinks it's the twinkle in your eye, but it's really just a scam. Um, let's see. Cocaine. Like drug smugglers? Right. Yeah, I mean, I can see drug smuggling they don't want you don't know what it is. Yeah, Speaker 1 I could see Jack smugglers math. Yeah, that would make a little bit more sense. Because then then the corporation's got more of a reason to keep that secret to Unknown Speaker Sure. Sell the cartel? What's Unknown Speaker your number one client? Speaker 2 Yeah, months ago. That's why they don't want you to Meadowbrook anymore. One of the employees like the cartel. And he hasn't been seen since. Unknown Speaker So let's see. No one's seen him. Unknown Speaker Okay. What's the theory you believe? So? Speaker 1 Here's what I'll say. I'll say the internet. A couple of years ago in 2019. There was a podcast that was produced by a podcast called inless thread. And they did a whole investigation on this. The conclusion they came to was the boat boats. And the reason for that conclusion is they were able to find within some glitter X documentation that they sold a lot of stuff to a specific company that makes paint for boats and they follow it up with boating companies, and the entire boating industry is buying paint from this company to paint their boats with glittery paint And they're allegedly using a 55 gallon drum worth of glitter on each boat. The reason why this is covered up the explanation for the reason why this is covered up the podcast didn't give an explanation. They just said I was just about company. They're trying to Speaker 3 imagine listening to a six part series at the end that's like It's like dramatic music. Yeah, do. And in the end, after all that work of fighting, glitter x, or Meadowbrook we discovered it was in fact into the boat to learn about painting. You know, Unknown Speaker this podcast is brought to you by Speaker 2 BetterHelp you're gonna need to talk to somebody about how much free time you've got to listen to a podcast about glitter. And honestly, you're we're judging him for a year about 30 minutes into a podcast. Unknown Speaker Already you Speaker 2 are here. So anyway. Also, if you're listening on via glitter, if you're listening on Stitcher, yeah, yeah. do that anymore. Yeah, they're gonna cut you off, find something new. We recommend anything else. Speaker 1 You know where they are. And I'm sure you've heard the notice. But if you're listening on Stitcher, they're shutting down at the end. We just want to give you so don't miss Dylan. Unknown Speaker Obviously never tried Stitcher. Now is the time Unknown Speaker to dip diamond. Unknown Speaker Diamond hands. Oh, is it the star? Speaker 2 Bow paint? Yeah, so the Carnival was pretty shiny. When I was there. They Speaker 1 followed they followed the rabbit trail they found that was about paint. And they said that your average like not even carnival size boats, but like boats, fishing boats, bass fishing size boats. Use like a 55 gallon drum worth of glue on each one shiny. And what they say what they say is there's two there's two possible bald people Unknown Speaker by a lot because there has Unknown Speaker no say. Speaker 1 So the rabbit pay for this app. And they were like, Okay, there's two possible reasons why they don't want the world to know that glitter is in boat paint. Reason one, that the saltwater and the sea. This doesn't happen in freshwater, obviously, because there's no saltwater and freshwater. Unknown Speaker Very good. Unknown Speaker Roads, the paint is eroding Speaker 1 the paint and then leaking the glitter into the ocean. And so turtles, what they're saying is boat paint is the majority of the reason for the microplastics that we have all over ocean. And they don't want anyone to know about it, because they're making a ton of money off of it right now. And that's theory number one of why they're keeping it a secret. Okay, number two, and this is my favorite one. Theory number two is that the boating industry recognizes who their ideal customer is. They're, they're fishermen. They're outdoorsy outdoorsman. And if they found out that their bugs were covered in glitter, they would revolt. Unknown Speaker It's because their eyes can't see that it's shiny. Unknown Speaker There's glitter, the paint on their boat, because that is not manly. So those are the two. That's the leading theory. And this is a two liter Speaker 2 worth an episode. I want you to know that. I'm glad I've listened to this. Speaker 4 Thanks. Thanks. Okay, here's where it gets interesting. Sure. So, a couple days ago. Speaker 2 My interest is piqued. A couple days ago, the industry as a whole comes out with a unified letter. And they go we've never seen the Meadowbrook monster we have no idea who you're talking about. Remember like we mentioned the monster you know, neither did we. It was a joke. Clint April just got fired from the boating industry. Well, he worked for all of them. He worked for the boat cartel. Unknown Speaker The Bartell bore Unknown Speaker you butchered okay. Speaker 1 So, a couple days ago, a relatively new YouTuber called Chappell is the third video. They managed to get an interview with Meadowbrook kinda Unknown Speaker Where's Meadowbrook? Also in New Jersey Speaker 1 is I'm glad you asked. So I actually a minute ago took the screenshot while he was on metal. So this is in the middle of the ranch. It's genuinely in the middle of nowhere. It's actually very close. Only a 40 minute drive Unknown Speaker from or a 15 minute flight Speaker 1 from glitter racks. So glitter x is in the city henders the city they're out in the country can actually own like, a giant portion of that open space. Wow. Speaker 2 Right by the Great Swamp National Wildlife Refuge, which is convenient for them not having a monster. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's a good point. Actually. Glad you pointed that out. Speaker 1 There's where it is. Okay. So this new YouTuber, they managed to get an interview with Meadowbrook with Meadowbrook, but not I, not the CEO, Speaker 2 the monster. And all he said was Oh Ha, ha ha. Oh, and they go boats. It was the boats. Unknown Speaker The boats. Speaker 2 My family is on the boats. What is the glitter monster? And he's like, my family is on the boats. polluting the oceans. Unknown Speaker Yeah. So, Unknown Speaker you hear Tim goes, yeah, yeah, he's like, no, no, please stop. Unknown Speaker Please, just get away. I just don't want to hear anymore. Unknown Speaker Okay, so Tomas was super friendly. The whole time. That was just, Unknown Speaker he was the nicest guy I've ever met. But it's Unknown Speaker like the whole point. It's made a glitter. You can't be Speaker 1 okay. So they got an interview with Henry Henry rushman Jr. who is the son of Henry, Unknown Speaker Sr. who is Speaker 1 founder of IC O. And the inventor of glitter. Like he came up with it on accident. Speaker 2 Yeah, he actually shredded some important news like this. And I still look bonds, you know, that would make the Unknown Speaker sand at my resort look a lot better. Unknown Speaker Yes. So they got an interview with him. So they got an interview with Speaker 1 Henry rushman Jr. And he was the acting CEO for like 20 years of Meadowbrook They kicked him out. They asked him because they got in disagreement with him. But his father invented clutter. And so in this interview, they kind of take you back on the story of work later came from because an interesting thing about Henry rushman. He was on the Manhattan Project. So Henry rushman, senior before Meadowbrook Unknown Speaker Times New York. Speaker 1 And what's crazy, is at the top of Manhattan, he made an airport that they didn't build. But allegedly they didn't build but we all know that they built it and they buried it. Build the top part of Manhattan on top of it. Runways still there. Speaker 2 Just can't see it. Because the glitter you just can't see it because a guy landed So. Speaker 1 So. So he was working. He ran a precision cutting firm. And so what he did was he just cut pictures and stuff really close. like kind of like early Photoshop, he would do your lasso tool, but like really, really close. Yeah, like in real life. Not on a computer. Sure smart thing yet. And then he also did metals and stuff. And so he would cut things really, really small cuts Sure. had like an exacto knife. He was really good. When the shavings. He was like, these are fun. Well, he's cutting stuff in New York. It's World War Two. He's cutting it up. And he gets a call from the United States government. And they said, Hey, we hear you cut really good. Unknown Speaker He's like, Come on, Speaker 1 do you want to come cut something for us? And he said, No. And they said, it's not optional. We're not asking you, we that was more of a formality. Or we Speaker 2 were like, You have to come offering it but like we're gonna, we're gonna find you. Speaker 1 So they fly him out. And he starts he gets put on a task to cut these really, really tiny washers for the Manhattan the atom bomb. Yeah. And he does it he realized that this new, this new type of metal washers aren't normally made out of and it's very, very small. He's cutting these these little tiny washers, okay for the atom bomb and successfully does it but in the process while he's manufacturing these, he realizes that there are shavings that are coming off of this. Yeah, that are very shiny and really fun. And so he starts bottling them up and when he's off duty, he's selling them to Speaker 2 John story. them up in what looks like an empty Mountain Dew bottle. No like, like selling him to who like mason jars, or something like that he's going to drugstores Speaker 1 for Christmas. And he says, Hey, this would be great for Christmas trees. People could sprinkle them on the trees and make them glisten. And they were like Yeah, that's true. That'd be cool. So a bunch of drugstore stuff, dude. Speaker 2 Love it. Where are trees? Sure. It's Unknown Speaker Jamie, do you think Unknown Speaker Johnny's off JD? Yeah. Well. Speaker 1 Thanks for checking out this episode of things I learned last night. If you're here, and you're a little shocked, because you've been watching ASMR videos all night, and you woke up to the sound of my laughter, let me help you out real quick Speaker 5 and join back in the SMR. One thing that will help us a lot and the algorithm is if you'll have some comments, or some reviews, if you're on the podcast app, we'd really appreciate that. And that would help us grow this show. So thanks for your support. Speaker 1 But if not, and you're just here, trying to sleep, I hope I interrupted it. Here's another advertisement Unknown Speaker he realized he was making a lot of money selling Speaker 2 shaving, don't put too many shavings near each other. Density, or else they mold together and form a living creature and you don't want to fight. I learned that the hard way makes us column metal. Wasn't the old monster the Manhattan Project right loose Speaker 1 so he does this. Yeah. Obviously, the atom bomb happened and glitter happened. And so after the war, he opens up metal Brook and start selling this glitter like continues cutting this glitter up and making still making the rings probably, and selling them to the government and then making glitter. Sure. And then starts developing all kinds of different glitters. And the US government keeps calling them back and like, Hey, we've got another idea of some stuff that you can cut up for us really small. Or they also there was also a point where they said, Hey, could you just give us a whole bunch of clutter? And Unknown Speaker he was like for what? Excuse me? What? The government? Please don't ask that. And Unknown Speaker they said they said we want the White House to be shinier. Yeah. Speaker 2 There's a giant lizard that just came out of the ocean. We don't know how to fight him but we feel like the glitter monster like Speaker 4 glitter wants to get out. So we're gonna try to summon him in the Pacific Speaker 1 know the idea they had this idea for radar chaff, which was kind of like early flares. Yeah. And so the concept was, if you're in a plane and a rocket, like an early heat seeking rocket is searching, reaching, you could shoot like some glitter could drop some glitter out and because it was metal at the time that it was metal it would blow up on the glitter bomb instead of on your plane. They call it radar chaff. And it also distract radar. So if you're flying through a radar zone, you just explode a bunch of red glitter into the air. So Speaker 2 just to make sure I was made sure I was saying flying through dwarfs there's a button in this plane. That's like flashing red. That just says glitter. They're worried about the manly boats. But this plane just goes and it's like Unknown Speaker like it opens up the Unknown Speaker cockpit he has to blow it is like Speaker 2 tower I'm gonna poke you in sight. They're coming straight to Oman. Unknown Speaker Glitter deploy? Unknown Speaker Yeah, they did that. That was the thing. Speaker 1 So he's secured a handful of government contracts doing things like this where there were certain applications for glitter in the military. Another another big part is another big one was actually explosives. Speaker 2 I said that earlier said for 20 minutes. Tim, when I said you're making bombs, or you're making pumps or glitter. You did that to me? Unknown Speaker Yeah, so they did that Jim Speaker 2 hates when I'm right about things. Tim hates where my brain goes. I know. Yeah. So the Speaker 1 reason the reason they put it in explosives is say you're making a bomb. Yeah. government contractor, whatever, making this bomb. What the last ingredient in the recipe. As per the United States government is a little bit of glitter, but every manufacturer of bombs, and every type of bomb has a different color and shape of glitter so you can know what went off so you can know exactly where it came from. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. So if you're ever at a bomb site, look for the glitter and see if you can figure it then you know, came from Yeah. Ah golden stars. I You know where the Speaker 2 fingers gone, and you're dying. Yeah, but at least that last moment, you might know, Speaker 4 you know, Lucky barter came from it's the logo, the logo really small Unknown Speaker Johnson and Johnson Speaker 1 so, so he's, throughout his whole career, he's making glittery stuff for the US military, and glitter for kids birthday parties and stuff like that and crafts and things like that. He passes away, his son takes Henry reference Jr. Takes over it. He invents another special kind of glitter and then they transition to like plastic glitters. And they continue selling glitter for a long time. He got ousted from the company. And so he takes this interview because it's kind of better. Yeah, a couple days ago. Well, the video was released a couple of how long ago? Do you get acid? Like 10 years ago? Okay. So he's still lives on the property because it's family property. Sure. But he doesn't work for the company. So you can't go into like the super awkward like it. It's weird. He he technically is an owner of the property. He sleeps Unknown Speaker outside the offices. He Unknown Speaker doesn't work there. So he's like, Yeah, you know, you know, Speaker 2 wakes up every morning and leans his car seat forward. Oh, hey, Rachel, because she's the journalist who's also living in her car. A junior, right, they share a cigarette, they fall in love. And turns out Oh, cigarettes. Speaker 1 Ah, that's a good, good diet. Because smoke needs to be shiny, because the ash and stuff. Oh, so you can trace it. Unknown Speaker where that came from? You know, what Unknown Speaker gave you lung cancer? Cancer. Cancer is making a corporation that's big cancer. Speaker 1 So he talks about all the government contracts that they had. Sure. And he said, he said, Look, I don't know what's going on there now. And he said, but I can almost guarantee whatever they don't want you to know about is a government thing. Because he was like, because the boating stuff that's out there in the open the automotive stuff that's out there in the open. Toothpaste was a thing toothpastes was doing it. But in 2017, before this article came out, the FDA was like, Hey, stop. That was their glitter. And Unknown Speaker they were like, oh, never. Unknown Speaker But it's like, very saliva II. Yeah, Unknown Speaker I noticed whenever it comes out the other way. It's like, Wait a minute. Speaker 1 So all of these industries, the issue with it being any of these industries, he said, he said, we have there's too many glitter manufacturers. And there's too many companies in the industries and there's too many middlemen. He's like, someone would leak that information. He said it has to be government for us to not be able to know what it is. And so he encourages the YouTuber, their name is chapel. Unknown Speaker Here's Mr. Truffle. Speaker 1 Mr. chappel here's what I think you should do. Now he says he says you should follow that trail. So a couple of days ago, they filed a Freedom of Information Act to get the government to release their everything Unknown Speaker with the glitter in the woods, how do you file this Freedom of Information Act? Yeah, Unknown Speaker right. Speaker 2 I don't know what kind of words go into it. But it's like I assist in the United States hereby requests records in relations to the government's operations and activity involving glitter, find substances and, and other things so toothpaste. Unknown Speaker What have you used glitter for Speaker 2 and manmade monsters that fight? Deep sea creatures, the metal man known to science? Unknown Speaker I think that's Speaker 2 an email to George w.gov.gov govt.gov Surely, surely, there's no way it exists, right? gov.gov Unknown Speaker I don't know if you can buy.gov You know, that's Unknown Speaker the whole point. gov.gov Unknown Speaker it's unavailable. gov.us though Speaker 2 but I absolutely can gov.us is available. Yeah, it says restriction. Unknown Speaker I've literally never seen restrictions apply on something Speaker 2 well, you can buy you can Buy a blue checkmark on Twitter for GA we push Unknown Speaker the word in the checkout wait till y'all hear Unknown Speaker what we did with glitter. So they put Speaker 1 this in. Here's what I think. I didn't mention this yet. One of the theories from the beginning had been money. And I think that's, that's a pretty solid theory like the quarters, know, dollar bills, because I guess an important note that I haven't made yet. She talks in the interview, she asks her any interesting facts about glitter. And there's an interesting thing about glitter is because of however they make and how thin it is, or something like that. They actually put out UV light. And so we can't perceive that. But she was like, I think I think the exact way she put it, she said that it was putting out waves that we can't see. And a lady said, oh, so could like animals and stuff. See them? And she's like, Well, yeah, I guess if they can see UV lights. And she's like, Oh, that's interesting. That feature there that they put off UV makes me think, okay, they're putting in money. And that's like part of what their like verification processes for doorbells. That's like the UV. They can scan that. Okay. And they obviously don't want anyone to know that because they don't want people to know, I just need to go get that type of glitter to counterfeit. And I've got it. Sure. And so that's like how their secret tising their dollar bills Unknown Speaker synchronizing? That's problematizing Speaker 1 that's what I think is the most likely thing is dollar bills. Is dollar bills. Cash, Speaker 2 I think what's your glitter smash it together? Yeah, stamp and Washington's face on it passionate as a quarter. Speaker 1 Okay, so you're saying it's it's it's kind of like Protein Chips? Like it's just a powder. Water you talk chip Foreman and he did not sure same concept. It's just it's just glitter. You're just quarter foreman? Yeah. And selling quarters? You don't sell quarter quarter and Unknown Speaker this quarter? 46 cents. Got up. Unknown Speaker Yesterday is what I'm trying to make a profit. Unknown Speaker Yeah, what do you think I'm gonna sell it at cost? Yum. It's ridiculous. Unknown Speaker Come on, man. These people want too much. Unknown Speaker You ain't gonna tip me either. Unknown Speaker Here's a tip. Speaker 1 So this is this is this is a developing story. I can't believe I've never heard of it before. But maybe someday soon. Why won't Speaker 2 you updated listener? I know we're on the edge of your seat. We're gonna hear Unknown Speaker where glitters coming from Unknown Speaker who's buying up all the glitter and why they don't want you to know. Speaker 2 Tim, I did find out. Oh, yeah. Tell me. You guys put some dramatic music and yeah, let's hear some like some. Like documentary music. Unknown Speaker He's googling dramatic music. Unknown Speaker He's gonna put it in post. I Speaker 1 know. He's, I know he's putting it out. But I'm, you know, Unknown Speaker on. This comes out August 13 15th. That's what you wrote. Okay. On July Unknown Speaker 27 2023. The Freedom of Information Act revealed that the glitter was indeed being use Speaker 1 in that other blog, guys, the guy was like, they interviewed a guy in the industry. And he was like, in the industry. And when I say industry, I should clarify that in the glitter industry in like the industry of like, like private investigation industry. Speaker 2 Oh, me, the industry. As far as your sleuthing. Speaker 1 He said he what he said was, it's going to be something really boring. He was like he's like yeah, he's like, I think it's gonna be something really boring. Unknown Speaker In the government's like, You got us Unknown Speaker we like glitter. Okay. Unknown Speaker Sorry, dudes. Anyway, anyways, who doesn't like glitter? The devil Speaker 2 I guess the glitter monster doing a weird voice thing. Unknown Speaker I want what? Why is the glitter boxers voice like Speaker 2 Tommy's made glitter. It's hard to speak. His vocal cords are made of glitter. I don't want to say it was so. So gosh, dang hard to understand. First person and being entirely composed. fine shavings. I you know and for the fact that you would ridicule yeah their voice Unknown Speaker don't take their voice from them. Yeah. Speaker 2 Their voice Yeah. And, and use that as a way to mock them, ridicule them to dim their light to stop their shine. Speaker 1 Here's the thing, they shine in ways you can't even see. They're on a spectrum that you cannot perceive Speaker 2 that he puts out UV rays that you can't even see my guy, Unknown Speaker my guy, all right. Unknown Speaker You're not careful. He's gonna steal your wife. What if that's Speaker 1 what that's a, like people who go around like I see your aura. What if they do have like a disability where they can see UV rays. And that's what it is like they they actually see you emitting UV light. And that's what they mean by aura. Unknown Speaker And that's a disability. Unknown Speaker We all agree that's all right Unknown Speaker yeah, super mega super, super close to the story. Unknown Speaker Guy's really strong, he gets to Unknown Speaker disability. Speaker 2 And that's what's annoying is that they're always taking the spots people need or walking a long way. While these heroes like, if animals can see UV rays that we can and you just take a bag of glitter to the zoo, and they just tripping out dudes. They're like, yeah, Unknown Speaker what's going on? Yeah, I wonder how many UV light UV lights we got going on? Like, just in Speaker 1 general, everyday life like we would see if we could see you know. Speaker 2 Dinner I think what about a lot? Is how, you know, obviously this table is brown. Yeah, right. Yeah. But what I see is brown will use his brown maybe literally completely opposite. Speaker 1 Like yeah, you know, just scary to think about like if Speaker 2 this table Yeah. And your brain looks what I would perceive as purple. Yeah. Yeah. But like we in your brand new Les Brown. Yeah. So you know, these these colors look good together. Yeah. Speaker 1 I think the same thing with tastes. Yeah. Yeah, same exact concept. Unknown Speaker I think the same thing with consciousness. Unknown Speaker Like what use? Like, what if Unknown Speaker I'm not real? Yeah. And you're not real? Yeah. Unknown Speaker I don't care what anybody says. Unknown Speaker person is not real. Video, best video on the internet. Unknown Speaker There is a very similar video of Britney Spears. Speaker 1 Things either last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts. Our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah and Tim stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at tilam podcast is Ti O N podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


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Tommy Fitz – The Pilot Who Landed at a New York Bar

08-08-23

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Made by robots for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's up? Today we're gonna do an episode about someone who's still alive Unknown Speaker all right, weird intro we've done in a fat minute. Okay, great. Go for it. Have you ever heard of Jose Conseco still alive? Unknown Speaker I mean, it's not the first time we've done one. Yeah, Speaker 1 I don't know why you gotta be like, Hey, man. Today we're going to do an episode about someone who's still alive. Did they survive something crazy? Is that what you're saying? Unknown Speaker I mean, depending on your perspective, yes, sure, go ahead. Have you ever heard of a Thomas Fitzpatrick? I know him as Tommy Fitz. Speaker 1 Tommy Fitz. Yeah. No, but he sounds like he runs a like a 50s themed diner. Oh, come on down to fixes. Speaker 2 It does. It does. There's a fitness here. Yeah, right. That's the train place. Unknown Speaker That's a Fritz's. Oh, cause Right, right. I think so. Yeah. Fritz, for instance. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, don't ask about train places. I your train boy. Today we're going to talk about my favorite train places. I'm a trainee Speaker 1 My goal is to get enough dirt on people that I forced them to come to my shows at a black. Here's my tour dates. If you don't come I'll ruin you. Speaker 2 They were just like, yeah, we need to do this for the war. You can get your license later. Who cares? Unknown Speaker Yeah, they are. Things I Learned last night Speaker 2 they were taught me Fitz fits. Darn fits. fits. So tell me if it's he was a dude. Who lived days with dude. Yeah, in while you're still alive. Still alive. Still alive. Speaker 1 What's trapped? You know how you know we record too far in advance to do this. Right. Let's record another version. Can't guarantee anything here. So today's episode is about a dude Speaker 1 All right. Okay, so Tommy Fitz is Unknown Speaker was a real possibility. Honestly. He was born in 1930. So Unknown Speaker okay, just use whichever one you need. Yeah, we'll send you a thumbs up or thumbs down. Speaker 2 So dad taught me fit study fits me. He's born in Manhattan. Okay. New York. The big one. Yeah. And he was your average New Yorker in the 30s. Right. And 40s and 50s. All the years he was alive. Your average in New York Unknown Speaker is a lot. Still, he still is average. Speaker 2 Jersey. Now is your average New Jersey or New Jersey? New Jersey? Sure. Okay, so he, he's an interesting fellow for a couple of reasons. One, okay. When he was 13, he said it'd be cool to be in the army. Since 1943 Yeah. And he's like, he's like, they'd be cool. And so he just joined lied about his age. And they were like, yeah, we can use you. It's fine. Like we know you're lying, but it's fine. We can use it people. Yeah. Warrants fears. Like what Speaker 1 did he do in the military war? Yeah, I get it. But are you stupid? What are you a dumb person? I'm saying sorry, I shouldn't say that word anymore. Stupid or shut up. So are you What did he do in the military? Honestly, like he wasn't on the front lines storming the beaches at 13. Right? Yeah, so Unknown Speaker he joined Marine Corps and he was Speaker 1 a lot to go through. Yeah, at that age. Yeah, for sure. Verde beaches are storming the beaches of Normandy and adulthood. Speaker 2 This is this is 43 this is late war. They're not there's no beaches anymore. It's kind of just it's kind of like we just running around looking for Hitler. That's all that sure the war is at that point. Got it. Anyways, he did eventually get into someone Unknown Speaker say that's when the true war really started. Speaker 2 Some some will say that we haven't stopped that war yet. We're still looking Unknown Speaker Some ones they were still fighting that war. Speaker 2 So he got into recon planing for a little bit too, so he started flying recon planes. Unknown Speaker Now what? 14? Yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 So picked that hobby. I guess you can say career at 14 when he was 16. The military found out now the war is over. They don't need teenager Yeah, anymore. At 16 the military finds out and is like, Hey, you can't do this anymore. And then so then he went and he got a permission slip. That's not a joke. It's Speaker 1 my dad says I can go to like a be here. Hey, Dad. The United States military's parents already said yes. Can I stay over at their house tonight? Unknown Speaker This is really awkward, because Unknown Speaker I'm supposed to go to Sam said, Yeah, Speaker 2 I have some classified things I'm supposed to go do. So I need you to say I care. Unknown Speaker I can't tell you what. Speaker 2 I can tell you what we're gonna do, dad. But I need you to tell me it's okay for me to do. Unknown Speaker Please. Please let me go. Speaker 2 I'll give you two flights. I'll give you this coupon for two flights in my plane. Unknown Speaker Okay, so he starts reconnaissance. Yeah, he ends Speaker 2 up getting stationed in Japan. And he's in there for 15 Min 16. And so it's what 5046. Now, Speaker 1 as long as your parents know, we didn't care if your parents knew three years ago when you were 13. Yeah. But now we have a permission slip. Now we Speaker 2 got a permission slip. So okay. And so he ships off to Japan get stationed in Japan, and he's there for a few years. And then the Korean War starts bubbling up. And he actually gets injured. And he received a Purple Heart for it. But then because of that he's honorably discharged. And so he misses out on the Korean War. What age does he get discharge? 20. Speaker 1 So he's 20 years old. Yeah. And a Purple Heart veteran. Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He actually had like seven years of service, or to some stuff in Japan. And like, arguably, not officially Korean War, but it's like, it's, it's the Korean or the hat. But yeah, you could wear the hat if you want. Oh, sure. Yeah. It's kind of like, Speaker 1 I, I'm gonna veto whatever you're gonna say, no, let's just go ahead to the next. The next part. Unknown Speaker It's, it's kind of like when. Okay, it's kind of like when you like. You play varsity, but you're like, a third string. So you get a letter. But it's like you didn't you'd never even like, saw the field, you know? Sure. similar scenario, you're saying Speaker 1 his Purple Heart is you're equating a Purple Heart veteran, but like kids, just wanted to make sure Unknown Speaker kids break their legs all the time. Oh, cool. Cool. Speaker 1 Cool. Cool. You're you're saying a Purple Heart veteran, is the equivalent of a third string. Speaker 2 He got injured in a car wreck in Japan. That's what it wasn't even. Is it real? No, no, no, no, no. Okay, yeah, I actually, I don't know if there's a record. I mean, I'm sure there's a record in like the military books somewhere. But there's not like a public record of what happened to him to get a Purple Heart. Okay, because that's not the interesting part of his life. We're getting to that part. Unknown Speaker Okay, so obviously, that's a lot of life lived by 20. Speaker 2 Yeah. And it explains why he's the way he is then. Okay. So he does whatever he returns home, finds a couple of jobs works as like a steel Miller. Sure, whatever that means making steel and stuff. And one night in September 30 1956. He is at a bar in northern Manhattan, at the end of a bachelor party, did the bachelor party thing. And then he's been living in New Jersey for a couple of years now since he got back from Japan. So he like he hasn't spent a lot of time in Manhattan. This is his old stomping grounds. It's kind of like live we live in the glory days, you know? Sure. When he was 13 and Speaker 1 13. running the streets of New York. Yeah. We live in the glory days. And so when he was 13, couldn't find his way around, ran into Donald Trump in a hotel, ordered some pizza took down some bad guys, Speaker 2 as you do as the most average New Yorker 13 Yeah, you know, I, here's the Speaker 1 linear 13 don't know your way around the subways. It's easy to get lost there. It's a 15 reference, one of the Taylor Swift's hit songs from 2008 and Speaker 2 I was talking to someone yesterday about Taylor Swift. That does like live production for events. Sure. Let's take a guess. I bet. I bet Alex gonna have a better guess at this cool. How many trucks semi trucks? Do you think their? Their stage production brings on top with them? 2020 What do you think? Think it's in like the 80s. Now, Unknown Speaker holy crap. No way. He Speaker 2 told me he told me 63 Okay, yeah. And but he said he said that. It might be, it might be closer what you said, because he said there's two units. And so what they do is and that's the stage production, the stage production will go, they'll skip a date. So yeah, we'll go to the next day with that. Speaker 1 They're already setting up so she's here. We're recording this in 2021. Yeah. But we're very far Speaker 2 ahead. But she's here like this Friday, isn't she? Yeah. And he's at the stage because already here that's what I'm saying. They roll in Yeah, a couple days that they're setting up the stage and then the arrowhead or why wait? Yes, then yeah, of course. Yeah. So that's crazy bonkers, dude. Anyways, Unknown Speaker you know, I've got a couple of tickets. I'm trying to resell. Unknown Speaker Yeah, how are you? Yeah, yeah. What's the price Speaker 1 are you trying to buy? It depends what the price is right now. It's Nope, just kidding. It's higher now. It's higher now. It's higher now. It's higher now. You know, just keep going up. Give me a number. I can't it's impossible. Unknown Speaker Okay, cool. Speaker 1 What do you like 20 6300 Oh 7200 It's just it's just jumping like I needed to pull the trigger these days. We're fans are rich I guess. Speaker 2 Or are in debt bear very much a both a little both to her. Okay, so Unknown Speaker she Speaker 2 there's a moment in the middle of that show where the whole stadium no miles wide, just stops like the whole it just it goes silent. And then everybody they start this kind of like low hum. And they're like Speaker 1 my goal is to get enough dirt on people that I forced them to come to my shows at a black you know, some people have an email list. I got a black. Oh, no, I've got probably 1000 People in Jacksonville, Florida than I am. But we do a show there. They'll all show up. Anything. Don't sit down my newsletter. This is like a you better show. Here's my tour dates. If you don't come I'll ruin you. Man. Here's my live shows show up or tell everyone your secrets. Well, I'll steal the secrets out to work. Speaker 2 I love that. That's an you know, it's poetic. Yeah. Okay, so this guy Tom is Unknown Speaker one of our Patreon supporters know so much. So I don't know how we got here. I apologize. Speaker 1 Hey, thanks for listening to this episode. If you like our show, please leave a review. Leave a comment if you're watching on YouTube and go check out other episodes. Here's one of them. I hate the Lonnie Zamora incident. You know me just not a big fan of the alien episodes. But if that's your jam, that's out there. So go check that out. It's very fun episode. I think you'd like it. I hated it. So anyway, back to this episode. Unknown Speaker But Tommy Fitz, yeah, I Speaker 1 understand. tartufi He's back. He's up in Manhattan. He's up at 18 running the streets. Now he's back torn. Yeah, he's Unknown Speaker like, 2026 2060s out. It's a Unknown Speaker Germany for a while Unknown Speaker it Japan. Yeah, probably World War Two. Probably. I Unknown Speaker don't know how you said he went from Japan and then lived in Germany. Speaker 2 Jersey. Oh, New Jersey. Okay. Yeah, sorry. People mix those two up all the time. You're You're good. No, he lived in Jersey for a little bit. Sure. And a bit back to Manhattan. Drive. It's it's it's a trip. And so he was like, you know, this bachelor party is over. It was like a bachelor party, whatever. But I want to go back to my old stomping grounds. So it goes to a bar that he used to go to as a child. And yeah, I guess I don't know. Everybody, every every place. I've seen this story retail acts like he's like reliving, like his, his time in Manhattan. But when he was in Manhattan, he was. Speaker 1 Yeah. But he goes to this bar. He doesn't go to a bar. There's a wiggles concert. My favorite band again. He goes, he goes to Speaker 2 this bar, and he's hanging out at this bar. It's late. It's like one two acre. And while he's at the bar, he gets in this argument with another patron at the bar. Okay. over whether or not he could get to where they were from Jersey City in 50 minutes or less. And the guy was like, No way. You cannot pull this off. You could not get here in for teammates. He's like I guarantee you from Jersey City, right to here. bar to this bar in 15 minutes. To give you an idea, I actually took a screenshot on the maps of where this is so this is like Northern in the map there's a red dot this is barely Manhattan anymore where this bar is like it's it's Speaker 1 it's an where's he at in New Jersey that he's gonna come from? I didn't take a screenshot of that, but it's I just assumed you didn't want to screenshot the road directions to see how long it would take now, I think maybe that was useful. Fine. Give me a second. Just gonna point to the side of the TV. Here it's you know, the point of bringing this up. What was really thinking? Now, LaGuardia, Unknown Speaker let me tell you about LaGuardia. Tom Bennett. Speaker 1 There is a bagel place in that airport. That is phenomenal. So good. I couldn't tell you what it's called. I do know where it is on the airport map though. And every time I fly to LaGuardia, I gotta get a bit. I'm stalling for time. But I do go get was the W and George W. Bush. Was that was that Washington? What is now I think it was Washington. Walker. It might be Walker. It's like Walker, Texas Ranger. Speaker 2 I don't know. What is it? I think it's Washington. I think I've always thought it was Washington. Now I'm googling this. Speaker 1 George Walker Bush. It's Walker like Walker, Texas Ranger, Speaker 2 just saying I never would have guessed that. Huh. I always just assumed Washington. Okay, ready for this? Sure. I've had this already for a while. There it is. Speaker 1 Okay, so now take a minute. Yeah. I mean, like it was taking driving. Speaker 2 But that's with modern New York traffic. Sure. today. I look traffic looks pretty bad on the northern end of that. Yeah. That run. So all that to say it's not it's not a quick drive, you know, right. Wherever, right. Unknown Speaker And this is 13 miles, it says 13.8, almost 14 miles. Speaker 2 This is 1956. Two? Yeah, yeah. So this is a trip. Speaker 1 So he says, I could do it in 15 minutes Speaker 2 and 15 minutes. And the guy the guys here doubting him. Like he's like naked, you could not pull this off. And he's like, how Speaker 1 was he suggesting he would get from point A to point B? He's like and run it. Speaker 2 He's not given like a, an idea. Like, he's not I could get from there to here in 15 minutes. Yeah. And the guy's like, I don't believe you kind of do that. And he's like, I could, he's not saying like, on foot or No, he's just saying I could do it. Okay. And so they kind of argue about it for a little bit, whatever. It's like when I am. And then he's just like, Alright, and so like, kind of Irish exits, like everyone's sitting there to the drink, and he just walks out the building. So no one really sees him leave. But Unknown Speaker okay, they all see him return. Speaker 2 Two hours later. One of the patrons of the bar that night, it's just before last call. recounts that he heard what sounded like a loud fan. And he looks outside the windows of the bar to see this. Oh. If you're listening, there's a plane in the street. Unknown Speaker Just parallel parked, furloughed part plane. It's visit a wing. Speaker 2 This is a couple days later, while they're like, Okay, we gotta get this out of here. And you can't take off. They had to take it apart. Yeah. Oh, shoot. Yeah. And so here's what he did. Here's what he did. He said, All right. And so he got a taxi back to New Jersey City back to Jersey City, which took like an hour. Speaker 1 Yeah, it gets. Jersey City. He has a plane, no. Jersey City. He had all a plane. Speaker 2 So Jersey City, he had relatively recently done some work as an airline mechanic or an air, not airline, but like regular airplane mechanic. So like, playing a small lawyer at Teterboro airport, which is like a small regional airport in your city. And he, he had done some work there. He also was working on getting his actual pilot's license out of that airport. And so he did not have his actual pilot's license, because which is interesting. Yeah. Because he honestly, he did recon flights in the military, but maybe the military at the time didn't license you. They were just like, yeah, we need you to do this for the war. You can get your license later. Who cares? I don't know. But I guess he maybe it's a civilian license. He needed to get separately. I don't know. I don't know what the legal terms are. 50s were, but I do know he was studying to get his license. Out of this airport. He'd done some mechanic work out of the airport. And so he went and he found Cessna 150 and just took it took off and flew up to Manhattan. And then came to St. Nicholas Avenue near 100. Street. Yeah. And came in and yeah, landed right on the street about three o'clock in the morning, no lights, no radio. When I did, and then taxi to the bar and parallel parked in front of the bar and got out and said, I took off 15 minutes ago. And everybody in the bar was always a little bit more impressed about the plane thing than they were about the got here in 15 minutes thing. Unknown Speaker Well, you could have taken 60 We still would have been impressed we still would have. Speaker 2 Because Because here's the thing, this is New York City. This is I mean, there's six seven storey buildings at the time. Yeah, so Unknown Speaker he's bringing it down the middle, like you're dodging buildings, Speaker 2 you're dodging, building all the light poles. They they describe it like threading a needle. Like, right in between all the end there's traffic to and that a lot. It's 3am. But there's still there's cars out there. And there's Unknown Speaker a Cessna as you can see. Yes. Speaker 2 Yeah. So I mean, he pulls it off. He lands. He's also I mean, it's it's 3am He went to a bachelor party and spent a couple hours arguing with someone in a bar, like he's definitely intoxicated. And so he lands that plane. Everybody the bar is like two super cool. Speaker 1 And then the police are like, Hey, excuse me. Are the bars carrying them outside on their shoulders? Hey, this guy didn't he Unknown Speaker didn't play Tommy. Tommy fit the police roll up. But they go who did this? He did. He didn't do that. I don't know why. I don't know why I'm saying I keep saying that. I can get out of here in 15 minutes. Speaker 2 Yeah, no, they're all hanging out back in the bar. They're celebrating your heart and someone, someone in the that comes over to the bar intercom and says, Hey, if you parked illegally parked at 3am, and the planes is getting towed out front. Speaker 1 Whoever has the Cessna 150 Your lights are on. Speaker 2 Also, I don't think you can park a plane there. So Unknown Speaker the police show meter was broken. Speaker 2 The police show up. They started asking questions. Yeah. And they're like, Hey, so what's up with that? And he's like, Oh, well, you know, I was I was flying out to the other airport. And I had some engine problems. And so I Oh, so he claimed I decided our emergency land right here. Grab a drink. Everybody here was you know, they saw that thought it was my ring. So I came in saying my couple drinks. It's not like it's just, you know, her want me to Speaker 1 sign their faces and and autographs and pictures? And like, I kept saying I wouldn't, I wouldn't use the word hero. I think they did. Write that down in your little cop notebook that you got here. It's ag aro. Yeah, but I don't. Unknown Speaker I want to I want to, Unknown Speaker I wouldn't say I wouldn't say Speaker 2 yeah, I would, I would say it was kind of something from deep within. Like, you know, when like things just, it just Speaker 1 takes I would say we're having an officer I left here got a taxi blacked out and woke you again. We're playing outside couldn't tell you don't know where the plane came from. We don't know what PTSD is. Yeah. But this sure sounds like it. Speaker 2 So the police officer is like, that's a cool story. What about the reports we have a plane that went missing around two o'clock from this airport is it Unknown Speaker 30 minutes ago. Speaker 2 And then the reports of a plane taking off without radio or lights from that same airport. And then you know, a plane that matches that description. Just so happens to be out here. And you got me. Yeah, Unknown Speaker so he talked. Unknown Speaker So he gets arrested? On the 15th. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah, not on the landing. So he gets arrested for that. The owner of the plane comes forward. Has a word with Tommy decides not to press charges because he says it was a hero. did say he literally said It's impressive that he landed it and there's no damage. So but now they have to take it apart. So he didn't Yeah, so he didn't press charges. I don't know who paid to move it. Maybe the city I don't know. But they did take it apart and they shipped it back to the airport and put it back together. Hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it and you're enjoying chillin, you've been around for a little bit, I want to invite you to be a part of our Patreon We have a Patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our hosts and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out we get to know each other, we eat pizza. It's a blast, along with a bunch of other benefits like a merch discounts message on your birthday like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, that you're just kidding, no, we love you. Thanks for checking out. Dylan podcast. How do you how do they get it though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh, dang, we're doing Yeah, Speaker 1 they can text Tillandsia 66866. Thanks, Jared. Unknown Speaker They ship it. Okay. Speaker 2 Well, I mean, like a truck. They loaded it into a truck and drove it to the airport. I don't see Speaker 1 why it flies. Yeah, but what do they what are Speaker 2 they gonna take it apart and then take it down to a different airport and then fly it three minutes to that airport when they could just drive 20 minutes? Speaker 1 Was it 20 minutes? It was a 20 minute drive. Why was the argument over 15 minutes? Speaker 2 Well, what I'm saying is the other airport. Oh, it was probably 20 minutes. I don't I don't know the distance of every airport should I do. Anyways, Unknown Speaker part of my training. Speaker 2 They put a blindfold on your face. Yeah. And then they describe a runway to you and you have to tell me where it is. Speaker 1 Yeah, they are. Yes, they are. Okay, so no charges pressed, no charges where he goes, let me do it again. So he's been three days ago, I didn't figure this out. My favorite is Tim's face when my job I had my story on accident. Okay, Speaker 2 he spends three days in jail while they figure this thing out. And then he gets out after it goes hard to jail goes about his life. The police are like well, I mean, he got away with it. I guess. A goes about his life. Couple of years later, he's back at this same bar likes his bar a lot now because it's the fame. He's got his picture. pictures on the wall. Yeah. It's like he won the blazing challenge used to hang out with a picture with like, you know, hi. And this picture, they call him Timmy, Speaker 1 but he goes with it. Yeah. And he goes now it's close enough to my name. Speaker 2 But don't you kick dare call me TV, you say? So he's taken out of this bar. And the people are talking to him. And some guys like you didn't do that. The plane thing? Yeah. And this guy's like, you didn't do that. That didn't happen. This guy Speaker 1 has an ego issue. Where he goes, I don't believe you. Speaker 2 Yeah. Is it because I didn't do that? And he's like, Yeah, I did. And he's like night. And so he again. Irish exits. Just kind of disappears. I was like, he's like, I'm going to the bathroom. Two hours. Tommy. Tommy. No GS. Tommy, he's always disappeared and coming back with a play. It's thing he does. Where did you find that play? Yeah, he does the same thing. He gets a taxi goes down to the same airport. Find someone else's Cessna 150 different plane. Yeah, but it's same. Same plane. Different. Plane. Yeah. Same type of plane. Different plane. Speaker 1 I know how that works. We both drive Honda Civics. I'm not going to get in your car when we leave here. I drive a Honda Civic. And you're like, No, no, I get that. You drove a Honda Civic. Civic. I drive a Honda Civic. Stupid. Speaker 2 Card. Every car. Okay. Okay. Okay, okay. So he takes a taxi out to that airport. Yeah. Taxis out to the roadway, and then takes off and pulls it off again. This time, though. It's not three o'clock in the morning. It's like earlier evening, like 1010 o'clock search traffic. Oh, no. And so he actually as he's coming in for a landing, there's a car. And so he comes in for the landing and he touches and goes over the car and takes off, hits 20 feet over the car and comes back down and lands behind the car. Unknown Speaker That's super dangerous, but okay, well, yeah, Speaker 2 I mean, landing on the street is super dangerous in general. Oh sure but pulls it off doesn't damage the plane doesn't damage any vehicles does it damage light poles or the buildings or the streets or anything? And the patrons in the bar describe the same experience as they're all sitting there being like where's Tommy go and they just hear what sounds like a loud as he taxis into this parallel parking Unknown Speaker here comes the fan Speaker 2 you know? So he lands drunk again gets out everyone's excited. The police aren't really mad this time. Because you just are like your this wasn't an emergency. Yeah. No it was isn't he's like though it was an emergency and like, tell us about the emergency. Well, he didn't. I said I did this thing. And it Speaker 1 was a crisis of my inner self. Yeah, if Speaker 2 I couldn't prove that I did this, then I'd be dead. It was an Unknown Speaker identity crisis what it was. Speaker 2 And so he gets arrested for plane theft. Yeah. And so the charge that he was given was grand larceny. Yeah. For the theft. The the pilot did press charges for that. And so he got slapped with a really big fine for that. But the judge Speaker 1 the bar all came together and paid it though. Pocket around for our friend Timmy, who's flown here twice. And you believe him now? Don't you? Doubting Thomas. Speaker 2 It was a love offering and the story goes, I don't know if it's true. But the story goes that that love offering inspired a young man who was in the bar that night. Also, like 11 like to Unknown Speaker fall through some ice Speaker 1 Oh, I was just nevermind to fall through. So yeah, and he got saved and then a whole movie. Oh. It wasn't for Tommy, flying that plane and landing in New York City. I wouldn't have fallen through that ice and got a whole Christian movie made about me. Unknown Speaker Okay Unknown Speaker what's next? Yeah Unknown Speaker sorry. You're having a real breakthrough Forget it. Forget. It sparked my interest. Speaker 2 I was just gonna say like a Southwest thing. Like it was guys. Like, what if there was an airline that had this much love for its passengers? Oh no, yeah. So the judge came down pretty hard, because they said, hey, if if we would have actually punished him last time, he might not have done it this time. Unknown Speaker He was proven wrong. Yes. Third time. Speaker 2 I'm pretty hard on him. They gave him six years in prison for Oh geez. Or illegal parking of an airplane was the sentence, which apparently is six years in prison? I don't think it is. But this time it was because the grand larceny? I guess they couldn't for some reason. I feel like that was probably an easier charge to get a larger sentence. Sure. But the illegal parking of an airplane was what they they hit him with. And they gave him six years in prison for that. And so he said in an interview about it, he said it was that dang drink. So far the alcohols fault. Unknown Speaker It is the only episode. Here's the thing, though. Speaker 2 Here's the thing, though. He didn't never do it again. As we know. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. You seem surprised. Speaker 1 Well, I don't know. It just I just thought there was an interesting part of the story. Are you not interested in a plane leaving in the street? Love that? Speaker 2 Yes. Crazy. You you have a quarter pilot's license, you should be interested in this topic. She's asked your flight instructor next time you go on Unknown Speaker my reel. You should ask your chat menu on flight simulator. Unknown Speaker Yeah, yeah, well, I actually land planes in that one. i Alright. It's been a while. Speaker 1 It's been a while. It's been a while. Are you gonna pick that back up? Yeah. Speaker 2 Brent asked me about that. Yesterday, did he? I said do you think Jared is going to pick that back up? Unknown Speaker Why would I not it's been a while it's been a while. Unknown Speaker Yeah, cuz you landed that plane in front of that bar and then we'll Speaker 1 just got to pick better bars to do that. Pick the ones that are like out now. Yeah. Isn't Okay, so I wanted to throw some axes one night right? Downtown, and I land my plane at bury the hatchet. And know for those that don't know how the FAA works is that in 2015? I took an a depressant, yes. For like two months to see if it would help. Yes. And my counselor decided it didn't. Yes, it didn't make that much of a difference. And so I quit taking it. But the FAA is like, whoa, why did you take that? You can't you can't be in a plane. Yeah, you took her? Why are you gonna? What are you gonna do? You know, and so, so now they're making it really difficult for me to get my pilot's license, which is also why all of your airline pilots never report any of their health or mental issues also, and ended up having shorter lives because of it. Yeah. And you know, when I say the FAA is super annoying. Speaker 2 You know what, you know, FAA stands for fiddle. Speaker 1 Things last night is a production of space Tim media produced by Kristian Taylor audio is edited by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic design by Caleb Goldberg. Our hosts are Jaron Meyers and Tim stone please follow us on social media at tilam podcast that's ti O N podcast, leave a review, comment, subscribe, wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night Transcribed by https://otter.ai


In the vibrant streets of New York City, where dreams and challenges intertwine, a daring tale unfolded that left patrons at an uptown bar utterly astonished. Tommy Fitz, a man of audacious spirit, engaged in a bet that led him to execute a remarkable feat – not once, but twice – by landing a Cessna plane in front of the … Read More

dearMoon Project – Using the Moon for Better Art

08-01-23
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Made by robots for robots. Only read if you're weird.

Unknown Speaker Hey, what's up? Hey, man, I? Yeah, what's up? Speaker 1 Have you ever heard of? Yeah? suku nasarawa? Huh? Yeah. suku Misawa Yeah, also know, Mesa, also known as NZ. Maybe you know, Unknown Speaker M Z? Unknown Speaker Yeah, maybe you know by that name M ZIL? Speaker 2 I don't but that's super cool. Do you know if someone introduced themselves to me as M Z? Speaker 1 Yeah, that's how that is. That's super cool. I agree with that. You might know him by one of his projects known as Dr. Moon. Have you heard of that? What are you looking at Unknown Speaker the camera? Unknown Speaker Why do your moon yeah, Dr. Moon? Speaker 2 Is that that children's book that we all read. Goodnight Moon. Yeah, that is the reference. Now. Millionaires either gotta go up or down. You know, saying like they're just so unhappy with being on Earth. Steve Aoki and the top 11 artists of the world suit. Ankle Brace. How are you guys getting good. You're telling me the Steve Jobs saw his whole speech? Last night Unknown Speaker okay, what is the Remove Deerman? Speaker 1 Well, we need to talk about Yeah, suku first. Unknown Speaker Okay, who is yes, we'll Unknown Speaker get to Deerman yah, yah sock. Yeah. Saku Saku sock, it was born in 1975. In Japan. Speaker 2 I just want everyone to just appreciate the pivot that Tim just did. We didn't talk about you so cool first. So you're talking was porn. Like, chill out, bro. Sorry. So we're when? Speaker 1 1975 Okay, November 22. In Japan. And he had a normal Japanese upbringing. In high school, he started a hardcore band called Switch style. And was going to go to college, but was too excited about his band switch style. And then him just thought it'd be sweet to live in America. So they moved to America for three years. Sure. which was hard to sustain his band. He had to fly back for band practice. I don't know. I think the band broke a van was in Japan. The band was in Japan. Okay, that sounds like that sounds like a Unknown Speaker it was a Japan band. Speaker 1 Yeah, that phrase. The band was in Japan. That sounds like like there's always money in the banana stand. Oh, yeah. Unknown Speaker Rice is good for Yeah, Unknown Speaker the pan was in Japan. Okay. Unknown Speaker So you know, in Asia, they call them bandas. Unknown Speaker Hey, that I hate that a lot. I hate that a lot. Unknown Speaker You're gonna like all of them, to the Speaker 1 US. And while I was in the US, he fell in love with CDs and records. important feature of his life started collecting both Sure. lived in the US for like three years, went back to Japan started the band back what year was that? In 91, early 90s living in the United States. 93 93k moves to the US and then moves back to Japan and 95. Okay. And then while he's there, he remembers my band Unknown Speaker switch styles. They Speaker 1 start this band back up and they have decent success. They released three albums. They got decently big in Japan, but not like huge, okay, but then he remembers CDs and records. Okay, so he takes what he learned about selling CDs and records. And he starts a company known as start today, which eventually became Japan's equivalent to Amazon. Oh, very major online retailer, went public on the stock market in 2004, and then started his new company Zozo town. Speaker 2 Okay, that was so dramatic. All right. Zozo town, Unknown Speaker which I want to take a second to see if you could guess what it says. Unknown Speaker Okay, what year would it be found it Unknown Speaker would have been 2004 2004 Speaker 2 Start Zozo town so Town is a first social media network. And this predates Facebook. And so he was trying to create a social media network to connect people and sell music through Speaker 1 your incredibly close. So it's a social media website for Zoo. Keeper's Speaker 2 the social media website for clowns Zozo the clouds he says oh town Unknown Speaker Facebook said if we could get the college kids we could get everyone he said if we Speaker 2 circus clowns, you guys are say You're thinking too small, too small college campuses. No, you gotta get the you gotta get the carnies. You gotta get the Speaker 1 new Sloan every week. A new city every week. What do you what do you think bigger? Speaker 2 Ptolemy on Zozo town. You know or whatever clown sound like. Speaker 1 Here I'll give you this. Here's one of the most profitable things he ever created with Zozo town or no? Speaker 2 Okay. This is the Zozo suit. This is just not flattering at all. Zack, Kansas, Speaker 3 this is the Zozo suit. Which is Speaker 2 this. Okay, it goes over your feet. That for listeners it looks it's a black suit with white dots all over. It looks like you've seen the behind the scenes for how they do animation movies. And there's that guy with a suit with the green dots all over him. It's that but it's style. Yeah. And there's three people in what I can describe as the Brady Bunch background. And they're in a this is a one piece suit. Where does it zip? Does it zip? Unknown Speaker I think you have to crawl through that. Do you? Speaker 2 What do you do? You crawl through the neck hole. The heels are cut out the toes are cut out. Yeah, that's like wrinkle breezes. And then you just vacuum it co2, your baits. Unknown Speaker Got fingerless gloves too. Speaker 2 It's so tight. It's tight and like that's tight. It really is like Speaker 3 it's like those storage bags. Speaker 2 It is you stick to it is not flattering. I'm not going to comment on the models. So yeah, Unknown Speaker so this idea was Unknown Speaker what was the number I want to say was like $3.7 billion. Who? This concept. So here's what's also Tannaz Speaker 2 you imagine you become a billionaire. And when people other billionaires go, how did you become one of us? You gotta say, Unknown Speaker says oh suit. Speaker 2 And they go Oh, is that something you were to go see the Titanic? No, no Speaker 3 when he when he walked out on stage for the press conference for this, he said imagine you were one Yeah, he said he said he said is it worth making a suit? An ankle brace. Polka Dots. Speaker 2 Suit. Ankle Brace. Oh, good. Are you guys getting good? That it's all one suit. Introducing those those you're telling me the Steve Jobs so his whole speech it hit harder for jobs Zozo town was a fashion brands as Speaker 1 a town was an online fashion retailer one of the first commercially successful online fashion retailers that were really early to the game 2004 What does that Zozo that is so and this this device device don't call it a device it is a device this is the Zozo suit and this was a sizing device. And so you would put this on and you would take pictures in it and it would tell you your exact size and send you the most accuracy Speaker 2 makes so much more sense if that makes so much more sense. Unknown Speaker Okay, Speaker 1 so yeah, you put this on take pictures from every angle, upload it and then it would be like your size nine. Here we go by the shirt. Speaker 2 Okay, yeah. So this is a computer can tell how far apart the white dots are then. Yeah. Interesting. That's actually okay. Sure. Oh, wow, that pretty Speaker 1 cool. So this is used in 72 countries. These led to this CDs Yeah. Because it was kind of like Amazon Amazon start with books. You start with CDs and records on his start today. Okay, okay. Okay. Yeah. He also in 2012 Unknown Speaker We're holding Unknown Speaker I wasn't I didn't notice this on the Wikipedia article before as a little meme, but I need to show you the picture of this Speaker 2 okay, this is a little mean, but I need to show you the picture of this guy Unknown Speaker he's also wearing checkered vans because I think he thinks they match. Unknown Speaker I don't know I don't get what's funny about this? Yes, I do. I don't. I don't get what's funny, but do Speaker 3 you do you do? This is like when your dad says you took a picture of me. He's got the classic dad pose. Chest out too far. Checkered vans, I Unknown Speaker don't know you're talking about a normal picture of somebody who is giving a product review. Unknown Speaker Okay, so let Unknown Speaker me see the behind though. Let me see the back I gotta know what the dots look like. Unknown Speaker What are the dots look like on the back? Back of Zozo suit. Unknown Speaker Zozo suit biceps. Speaker 1 These are getting pretty sophisticated now. I'm not gonna lie. They still exist. Yeah, here's the current. Here's a current model. They used a similar background and this one. They only opted for one color in this version, the background. But these look these look more like you're gonna get on a ship and they're gonna put you to sleep for somebody. 100 years. Oh, and then they're gonna wake you up when you get Unknown Speaker all animated people. Those aren't real people. I think you're right. Yeah, I know. I'm right. Speaker 1 But I think their faces are real, I think no, they're not. I think they put different hair on them than they are. Speaker 2 Yeah, look at their feet. Dude. I hope none of those people are real Sims. So basically, this new suit looks like TV static compared to the old suits. Yeah. Interesting. Speaker 1 Here's why that's just the man I can't find a full back shot of Speaker 2 this because there's no way that bearded guys faces that round and his torso is like that, you know, saying why? Because I understand how Washington's Yeah, that's not true. Speaker 1 Yeah, so the Zozo suit. Great idea, I guess for the law firm is that no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm telling you more about this guy. Okay, he also started to get Unknown Speaker this off the screen then. Oh, sorry. Speaker 1 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked this, we've got a lot of great ones. Let me recommend a recent one hitch bought. Basically some Canadian scientists said what if we made a robot that hitchhiked across the country you think it can make it SPOILER ALERT it's a fun episode I like it a lot. You can need to check it out one of my favorite reason jokes is in there. So check that one out but if not, thanks for being here Speaker 1 he also started a contemporary art foundation where he has made two of the largest basket wait purchases basket now. Speaker 2 Be as Kay I want to buy the largest baskets I can to hold on my Zozo Unknown Speaker Basquiat you've got this Container Store. Speaker 2 basket basket. Wait, that's great. Say it right? How much for this basketball educated American that's like a $30 Unknown Speaker basket. I'll give you 54 million Unknown Speaker to run up I'm a manager. Speaker 3 I'm not sure how to charge you this much for this. When I scan it it says 30 I don't know how many Unknown Speaker zeros I don't know I'm a lowly person. Speaker 3 Put on a Zozo suit to help make use Speaker 2 shimmy into it. So okay, Speaker 1 so ya know he made to the largest purchases he actually purchased a painting called the Untitled by Basquiat for 57 million. And then he's he bought another one also called Untitled by Basquiat. But it's where he just didn't like titles. It's a different picture for 110 million. And he bought a bunch of other parents. So he's like a, like a fine art collector and he's got this foundation where he's got all this different art and stuff like Sure. When in 2019 He said, You know what? I'm a billionaire now. I've made my successes. He says, I'm gonna sell my ownership of the company, which he sold for about $3.7 billion. And he said, Now it's on to the next thing. Like many billionaires today, space, Speaker 2 obviously, obviously. So, there's either gotta go up or down, you know, saying like, they're just so unhappy with being on Earth, that they're like, I gotta go. I gotta go the deepest depths of the ocean or the tippy top of space. Speaker 1 But here's the thing. He has an angle. He's different than most of the billionaires. He's not just trying to be funny. Yeah, not that I've like halfway through this new season. Speaker 2 Oh, really? Have you seen the billionaire episode where she goes on dates with some rich guys? No, I haven't say and she's on dates with a boring old millionaire. And he gets a call in the middle of dinner that he's now a billionaire. Yeah. And she goes to the restroom and comes back and he shaved his head bald. And his just got so much plastic surgery and his eyes look really weird. And he's climbing those ceilings. He's like, Look how high I am. Oh, hi. I am what? I think they get a spaceship and I am. Speaker 3 Now we watched we watched it's a great show. I love when they're at the premieres so good. It's about to start that they are whatever, like, hey, this was this guy's gotta get out of your chest passing. This was just bought by what was it? Like a Starbucks Starbucks, did I die? Speaker 2 And then they were like, was that the scene? Like that was the see. Did you see the Disney on ironically did that this week though? No. Like with the new elements movie. There's a non binary character in it. And it's like, not clear at all. But it's a non binary character. Oh, interesting. Unknown Speaker Like, it's Unknown Speaker just kind of like, yeah, Unknown Speaker yeah, it just is. Speaker 2 Yeah. And like, do you think that they knew about it when they wrote the other two? Because I found out on Twitter when the voice actor was like, I just got to voice the first non binary character in Disney. And like people said they watched the movie and didn't know they had they were like, Oh, okay. Hmm. But this character is not a human. It is a it's a gloop. It's a gloop. It's, it's, it's the bit Unknown Speaker interesting. It's very funny. Unknown Speaker Okay, all right. Unknown Speaker That's what billionaires do. That was what I'm saying. They just go to space. They just Speaker 1 go to space. But here's the thing. He's got an angle. He's not just going to space. He's doing different things. Unknown Speaker What's he going to do? Speaker 1 So Well, first of all, he's already been. So he's been once he went in mid 2021. This is why he's got this picture in the spacesuit. All right. Speaker 2 Does he have to wear a Zozo suit? To get the right measurements for his face? Speaker 1 He did get those owed. Yesica is a Twitter personality. Okay, he has 191,000 followers on Twitter. But he all he holds the record, the number one or the number two record for most retweeted tweet. Oh, because one time while two times, he tweeted, he was gonna give a million yen to the first 100 people to retweet this or no to 100 random people who retweet this. And so a lot of people retweeted it. And actually, I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if he did give the money away. But a million yen Come on. Uh huh. Unknown Speaker I mean, I guess. Unknown Speaker 4 million people retweeted the tweet. For when he said he was gonna give 1 million yen to 100 people, Unknown Speaker I'm gonna give my best friend's house. The first one of 100 people retweet Speaker 1 this and I'd say first 100, say to 100 random people who read this, because that's what he did. It was 100 random people. So that way, it didn't matter how many to Speaker 2 100 random people who retweet this. Wait, Speaker 3 so you're given a house to 100 different people. You can split deeds, Speaker 2 right? Give my best friend's house to 100 random people who retweet this that's out there. So Speaker 1 he got 4 million people to retweet that tweet 200 which was about $9,300 US dollars. That same year, and this was 2019. The same year in 2019. He did it again. But he said he's gonna give it to 1000. And that one got 3 million retweets. So a million last people were a million people were like, Speaker 2 That's a billion dollars gonna give away? Yeah, allegedly, Speaker 1 allegedly. I don't know if he did it. I don't know if he did it. Also, there's questions about his ability to pay for some of the stuff he says he's doing but we'll get back to Okay, he goes on the spaceflight. And he says, so he gets this fight with the Russian Space Federation. And he says, Hey, I'm gonna do this fight. I'm gonna go up to the International Space Station. He said, I'm going to be up there for a little bit. I will do 180 challenges. Stage, how Unknown Speaker many crunches Do you think I could do? Speaker 3 So he goes up to this debate stage, but that's real. Because at this Speaker 1 stage that he goes back, and he's still posting video, video vlogs of him from this 2021 trip, doing these 180 challenges that he got, and they're things like, play this game, this ballgame. Whatever this game is called, where you have the wheel. How old is this person? He was born in the 70s 75. So I mean, he's younger than my parents. I don't know how your parents are. Here's another one where he put together a jigsaw puzzle. But he had to blur out the puzzle for the picture, I guess because it was copyrighted. Unknown Speaker It's not complete. It's not real. Unknown Speaker Here's another one where he none of these pictures. Speaker 2 None of these pictures look real. These are all incredibly photoshopped. Here's one where he played a drum. He's not his face. He played all of these look like YouTube. Are these all the YouTube thumbnails? Yeah, they all Unknown Speaker were he played with this weird pirate. Speaker 2 Okay, so this is all Photoshop for the thumbnail. Okay, Coco, Coco, okay, cuz otherwise, this is not real. Speaker 1 Here's what I love. Here's what I love. There's 180 of these challenges where he needed random things like this. And so he crawled on board imagine Speaker 2 he could imagine, just stick with me, you've spent your entire career becoming an astronaut, you want to go to space and do real science. You want to figure out how the universe works. You want to figure out how quickly the universe is expanding. You want to be up in the elements of space, trying to figure out so so that Neil deGrasse Tyson can keep owning people in debates, okay, you're sending info back and you're like, Hey nerds, here's why we're live on Mars one day and you spent your entire career sacrificing you're in so much student debt you cannot breathe and now you're in the International Space Station you've earned a spot you and killed two kids in your graduate program so you could be the top they don't know that. And then one day a billionaire boards, the plane plane boards the space station, and is like, Hey guys, I'm here to contribute to space and they're like really? Thank you so much for using your vast amount of wealth to advance the the race for human knowledge and he goes on and on and on until you guys do your thing. I'm gonna play with a yo yo in the corner and film it for you too. Speaker 3 They're like they're like looking at like science thing. We're gonna play the same oxygen is hitting them in the back of the head with this yo yo and zero G Speaker 2 he's being an annoying kid in the back of a minivan in space in space. Speaker 1 I just want the idea like this is all he did 100 Navy these challenges and like, like he did a drum which this looks more like like a concave like ring. I don't know what that is. That's not the kind of drum I think of when I think drums. But he brought large things on board this and the access high. He's Speaker 2 got his like, seven carry on Speaker 1 it he's calling into like, what do you need all that stuff for? Oh, it's for my challengers for Unknown Speaker my challengers. Speaker 1 Did Okay, and he told you he was doing this? Now, Speaker 2 now how long is he up there? How much time does he have to do to all these to do all these challenges? Speaker 1 Oh, no, actually, I think he's up there for about a week. 180 challenges a week. Yeah, I mean, you do four or five of these a day. The challenge was literally play with the yo yo, like, you can get that video done in five minutes. Okay. So he's just a full workday doing these challenges while you're trying to do your science. Unknown Speaker What else is he doing? Speaker 1 He does 180 of these. They're still coming out of his vlogs of what he did in the space station. Unknown Speaker Should have a microphone far left. You see that's a microphone. Speaker 1 I think that's for when they do their speeches back to like their presentations. Unknown Speaker Hello Earth. We encountered aliens today. Speaker 3 Sorry, sorry. That was the challenge. He rolls in. He rolls into screen in the middle of his press conferences. He's like, I built a fort in the space station and no one knew. Behind them there's just a giant blanket fort. Unknown Speaker I hope we knew doors for my last challenge, Speaker 1 one of the doors and it cost NASA's 13.8 79 Speaker 2 Stupid tasks and one way really bad one. Speaker 3 The first ever act of space terrorism Speaker 2 so he's back. Yeah. So just releasing these every week. Speaker 1 He's releasing these every week to his his Twitter. So Speaker 2 you spend so much money to get three years worth of content. Speaker 1 It's like I'm trying to speak up a YouTuber. No, it's Twitter handle is you suck MZ. The way you would spell you suck. Oh, it's not like yeah, it's you suck MZ. As an analyst, he's just tweeting these things, his videos. They're doing pretty good. They're getting like a million and a half views every video. He's got 1.3 million subscribers doing these vlogs of his experience and space. But none of this is the real reason I brought this guy up. All this is backstory. Speaker 2 Hey, thanks for being part of this episode. If you want to help us do more of this, you wanna help us grow our show. One of the easiest and best ways to do that is to join our Patreon. It's a way for you to financially support the show, and you get a lot in return, you get access to our Discord channel, you get bonus content that comes out, you get exclusive merchandise and like live zoom Hangouts, where we're both just hanging out eating pizza, just getting to know each other. The biggest thing is, is we want to know you more as an individual and as a friend. So thanks for supporting our show. If you don't support us financially, we're not pressed about it. We're not like mad. But I'll find you. So text till into 66866 to keep yourself from being found. All right, because if you don't I want you Speaker 1 I want you to know about dear moon. Yeah, I saw the patch on his hoodie. Yeah, so he's got his dear Moon project. Here's the footer from his website. I don't know that that's better. Unknown Speaker Okay, this is a little bit bigger, this version. Unknown Speaker So who are these people? Speaker 1 Those are the suits. Those are those those know, so the dear Moon project. This was an idea he had where he said, You know what, what this world needs more of? It needs more artists, space tourism. No, it needs more artists that are creating unbelievable works of art. Because he's a big art fan. And he says, but all the artists today, their industry, plants, their industry. Drones. Yeah, all their arts do for money. Speaker 2 We got to find the the random artists floating in space. Speaker 1 Well, when he says like, we need to inspire them. And he's like he's like, so I want to put together a project called Dear moon, designed to inspire 11 of the Earth's greatest artists by taking them on a trip around the moon, to see something that no other artists has ever seen. So they could come back to Earth and bless Earth with the art that comes from what they see. My volunteer the other side of the Speaker 2 Gerrans comedy career really took off after he saw the other side of the Moon. So he's is this 11 different trips? Speaker 1 No, this is he wants it to take 11 artists one trip on one trip. Leave the earth flight 11 of the greatest artists take it. Yeah, take a take all that sounds Speaker 2 like a movie I've seen. What? I don't know. 11 of the world World's Greatest Artists are on a spacecraft as stranded in space. Ocean's 11. Unknown Speaker Spaces 11 there Yeah. Unknown Speaker Orbits 11 Speaker 1 orbits. 11. Holiday now's a good Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So he remarked. Speaker 1 So II wants to take them on a trip from Earth, out around the backside of the moon and back. So it would be the farthest any humans ever gone in space, because no humans past the moon. And so he wants to go all the way around the back the Dark Side of the Moon, and come back. And he thinks that that would make the artists contribute something to society that's never been contributed before. And so, Speaker 2 I know you've seen what Buzz Aldrin paints. Not great stuff. We gave him some paint. We're like you've you've seen a lot of stuff, some stuff. He's got no artistic ability. Yeah, he's just an astronaut. So he Speaker 1 makes this press conference? Sure. And he says, Here's what I want to do. I want to bring a bunch of artists Speaker 2 to space. I mean, who decides who the 11 greatest are? Well, he says it's subjective. Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, yeah. Well, here's what happens. He does this press conference. And he says, he says, We're all No vote. It's a spaceship. It's an artist. It's a moon. Speaker 2 A space suede, the spaceship is the artists in this thing. Speaker 1 Okay, no. So he's he kind of briefs the idea. Sure gets the idea on the ethos says, here's, here's what I'm thinking. And then he says applications are open, go to Dear Moon dot Earth, which is Speaker 2 okay, I guess when you like money you can own the internet, you know, like, Speaker 1 going to Dear Moon data is to apply if you're an artist, apply, send us your portfolio, let us see what you've created. Sure. And then we're going to select the top 28,000 people applied artists from all over the world, all walks of life. And he said, we're now seeking assistance from any government space program. There's a handful in the world to help us pull this off. He said, I'll pay for it. I said, but I think this will really help humanity. And every government space organization in the world said that's a dumb idea. We're not wasting our time. That's dumb. But luckily, there was one guy who loves dumb ideas. Unknown Speaker I knew it. I knew he was going to come up with this. I knew it. Speaker 1 And so Elon said, Well, why don't you know, we have a space company. And we're trying to get to Mars. This will be further, this would be a perfect test flight for us. And so he says, we're working at the time, it was his Falcon Heavy. He said we can take you up there in the Falcon Heavy around the moon and back. And you're 11 artists, and he says we probably could do it by the end of 2024. Unknown Speaker Okay, when did he say that? Speaker 1 This was 2018 when they announced the project. Okay. Cool. And so, Speaker 2 I don't know if I believe anything that Elon Musk does is real. I'm gonna watch that we had an episode about him because I thought about him 2017 early before he was like, Hey, I thought he was somewhat crazy person. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, he was still a crazy person. But he wasn't. He hadn't exposed himself as much yet. Sure. He was still kind of impressive at the time. Speaker 2 Now. Now, it's now you realize that I mean, like, Sure. I mean, if you shoot 100 things, you're gonna hit two. Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, and this is one of them, he might hit. So now it's now it's not the Falcon Heavy. But it's the other one that they're working on right now. Unknown Speaker All in 95 calories Unknown Speaker you can find them on in the store. Unknown Speaker You dude. I shot down the Falcon light and the name of my politics. So mission failed, because Kid Rock shot the Falcon light out of the sky. Unknown Speaker Know so Speaker 1 they, they're, they're working together. SpaceX is working to figure out how to get them there. When they're going to take you the Dark Side of the Moon, the Yeah, The Dark Side of the Moon and back. So that way they can make really good art. And so throughout the past five years, he's been working on the marketing and the logistics of the mission. And putting together his crew, his dear moon, artist crew. And at the end of the year, last year 2022 He announced his selections. And these are the the 11 artists. Oh, that will make history. Unknown Speaker This is a very high picture. Hold on. I know you recognize at least one of them. Unknown Speaker Okay. Here's a Speaker 2 hint. Let me get a higher I noticed that there's only 10 people behind him. Yeah, so he counts as 11. Now he's the 11th Yeah, he's the artist. Yeah, he's like, Speaker 1 he's like, surprise. I'm the 11th. Artist. Speaker 2 Let's go through the names. Because I want you to say it. For the audio listener. Speaker 1 Yeah. So a lot. Um, here's a higher res image. So we're gonna go through this. So here is the artists that he has coming with him on the dear Moon trip. So Mission Specialist, Choi Seung Hyun, who is also known as baizen stage name, T O P, who is a South Korean rapper is about the purple hair. Apparently very famous in South Korea. Mission Specialist dev Joshi. Who is the guy on the second from the right over there. He is a Indian filmmaker or Indian actor second from the right and television actor. Speaker 2 Yes. From the right got it. To the right. I was like what Yeah, so again, Speaker 1 to the right, he's a Bollywood actor. Mission Specialist Brendan Hall, who I'm not sure which one he is or what he's famous for. He doesn't have Unknown Speaker a Wikipedia page, but I guess he's the one in the orange hoodie. Speaker 1 No, that's actually not I know who that is. Oh, Kareem Elia I believe she's a mission specialist. Also don't know which one that one is doesn't have a page. Read anon. Adam is a writer and photographer. I don't know which one she is, but she doesn't have like a PDF. He just doesn't have a picture on it. Jimmy ad is the dude second from like, on this side right next to purple hair. He is a Czech choreographer. Okay, so it might have some good dance moves that comes out of this mission specialist Tim Dodd, who's a YouTuber known as Everyday Astronaut. That's the dinosaur Jedi. And then pilot, Steve Aoki. Yeah, Speaker 2 yeah. Yeah, that's the first person I saw pilot. They're teaching him to fly. Or not, though. I mean, he's gonna do the same thing he does on stage which is just push buttons Speaker 3 and throw the cake like you to kick the windshields again, it's quite thick. Yeah, open the Unknown Speaker door, throw it on the moon. Throw a cake. That's kind of my deal. Speaker 1 One of their backups just think they have a backup to backup. Craig's your alternate? Yeah. So there's a specialist named me you from Japan. I don't know who who he or she is I'm not sure if what you're Speaker 2 saying there's a world and our universe where our podcast could have grown so much that we could have been apparently because this is not. Unknown Speaker Okay. I mean, Steve Aoki is Speaker 1 pretty famous and so as to get anybody else in here. I mean, there are people who don't have to Speaker 2 be okie in the top 11 artists of the world Unknown Speaker my favorite thing is he was selected to be the pilot. Speaker 4 Someone just look at CDJs and go those look like spaceship buttons. Yes. Probably know how to do Unknown Speaker he knows how to do it. labeled. Unknown Speaker He pushes a lot of buttons. Yeah, I mean, some of these people. They're writers. Unknown Speaker They're just looks like a season of Survivor. Unknown Speaker This looks like yeah, Unknown Speaker it does. Or last, like a last promo. Unknown Speaker Or the challenge looks like looks like CVS, the challenge Speaker 1 which honestly given his last trip to Mars, he might make this a reality TV show. Yeah. He's gonna He's gonna vote him off the ship. Unknown Speaker The crew has spoken. Unknown Speaker Steve Aoki is going to push you out the airlock now. Cake hits him in the face in space space, Speaker 2 because he threw it like four days ago, but it's just out there. You know? Because it doesn't really move. Yeah, and the speed that it hits a man is speed dude. Oh, wow. Speaker 1 So these guys, allegedly, they haven't changed the timeline right now. Allegedly, right now these people are training for their mission. They're doing all their like stairs. Speaker 2 He's on tour, and in his free time is training to pilot a spaceship to space. Mind you, Speaker 1 it's a spaceship that hasn't successfully launched every time they've launched it. It's blown up so far. And so that's the one he's gonna pass. Unknown Speaker Now they're down to these 11 people. Speaker 1 And so what is it the Elan says that they want to want to carry 100 successful satellites to space using this spacecraft before they carry these people to the moon. They haven't successfully gotten one Yeah, taken off without exploding. So there's no way they're going to do it in 2024. That's the timeline the public timeline that they're seeking. For Speaker 2 if it's good if it's like 50 years from now I still want it to be Steve Aoki. Speaker 1 But I, according to MZ, the guy in the middle here, their training, their training, and at the end of 2024 these these 10 artists are going to go see the Dark Side of the Moon. And they're going to come back to Earth and they're all going to get murdered by the mines. Yeah, what you said they're gonna make really good art Unknown Speaker that we'll never see. Speaker 1 Yeah, so I love this idea. I love it so much. That's Yes. suku Yes, yes. Aku muy mas Eva. Mas our MC he goes by MC you can find them at you suck in Z on Twitter. Unknown Speaker This is the YouTube Speaker 1 or on Zozo town by yourself Zozo suit today till n.com such as those that can you think we can get sponsored by them. Speaker 2 Anytime that you wonder about the, you know, hunger crisis in the world or how many people need clean water. Just think about Steve Aoki and the incredible beat drop that we would get if he's able to see the Dark Side of the Moon Unknown Speaker here's the Dark Side Speaker 2 of the Moon you know, and like that would change humanity. I believe he doesn't Speaker 1 have to go we know exactly what he's gonna do. He's gonna take that entire record Dark Side of the Moon and just remix it. And that's gonna be his art. We all know that's what he's gonna do. He doesn't have to go. He's actually probably already finished it. Unknown Speaker They've already been. That's the conspiracy. Unknown Speaker They're gonna have a look at my presentation. Speaker 2 The whole conspiracy is that the reason we know who they are? Is because they went 15 years ago while their moon people, their moon people, you're okay. You're going the route that we Speaker 3 would have landed? And he said, he said Bring me your artists. Speaker 2 Buzz Aldrin brought back a small child prodigy open em if you will. The moon opened up and make up some bizarre story about owning the freakin Benihana restaurant. Like where are we can come from any Hana guy. Yeah. Oh, okay. Benihana was was like, I guess Yeah, that's fine. I honestly don't know how many kids. You're like. Sure. He's a ladies man. Man. The girls love when they flip. They flip the little shrimp tail on their hat. Yeah, yeah, that gets them. Unknown Speaker You don't get the name Aoki without being a moon child Unknown Speaker with some light racism. I like that about you Unknown Speaker all right, well, here's the thing. Unknown Speaker Here's what I've heard Speaker 2 this at least. I heard what you hear. I heard that the civilizations long before us. Yes. had already gone to the moon. Yeah, they had one advanced Unknown Speaker stuff that was pyramids all over the dark side. And Unknown Speaker that's where we got the music of our day. Speaker 1 Yeah. What which day there's a lot of music like today. Speaker 2 The music that we have now came from the moon people Midwest Unknown Speaker salt grass. Yeah, actually. Speaker 1 Things are there last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by ours Garnett video by Connor Betts. Our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jared Meyers and Tim stone falls on your favorite social media platform at Taylan podcast is Ti LL and podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Welcome to an exciting exploration of the dearMoon project led by the visionary entrepreneur Yusaku Maezawa. This blog post will delve into the crew members accompanying Maezawa on this daring journey and the project’s ambitious goal. Let’s embark on a fascinating adventure into the realm of space exploration! Meet the Crew The goal of dearMoon Inspiring Art and Creativity: The … Read More

Michael Fagan – How This Man Snuck Into Buckingham Palace

07-25-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of Michael Fagan? Unknown Speaker Michael Fagan Unknown Speaker Michael Fagan Speaker 1 yawn I have somehow one of my what I hope is my wife's hair on my energy drinks likely yeah this is how I don't understand when the stories break of people who have gotten away with cheating for like years yeah and it's like Dude if my if I think about her another hair will appear very accurate I mean like my car is full of bobby pins absurd you cannot be around a female without just having hair everywhere it's like it's I think I think that's like a an evolutionary response that females develop people cheat Yeah. To try to claim their their man or whatever dude, freaking her stuff is just everywhere. Unknown Speaker You honestly like you might be onto something. Unknown Speaker So sorry I got distracted there is the AC off my crazy head so I don't have a massive red light that says the Queen day just go with Unknown Speaker the news. Trying to be on TV. Speaker 1 They just go nude feet in my house. I gotta cover that. I learned last night Speaker 1 Michael Fagan whose names sounds vaguely familiar to me, Unknown Speaker it's because I've mentioned him before. Speaker 1 Is he the bad guy from Spy Kids one Speaker 2 you know that does sound like honestly he kind of looks like it. You want to see a picture of him? Unknown Speaker Who is the bad guy from doing it? We're here at Blue flew good slogan like Michael Fagan, show Speaker 2 me this is Michael Fagan. Okay. You might know him by his title. Oh no. Whoa, what do you do? What are you worried about? Speaker 1 I don't know. Why no one was this title Grandmaster whatever else Unknown Speaker now you might know him by his title intruder. Unknown Speaker Intruder Michael Fagan. What does that okay, Unknown Speaker it's kind of like Inspector Gadget. Speaker 1 No. Intruder gadget is a thing we should absolutely do. Speaker 2 I like that idea. Okay. Michael Fagan is famous for Unknown Speaker intruding Speaker 3 on intruding a very significant place. Speaker 1 Wait, did he hop the fence on the white house one time? Was it that guy close? And like can you wasn't there a guy that made it to the White House with like a knife and was just wondering the White House with a knife? Do you remember that? I've never it was during the Obama years. I have never and he like made it in the White House and was just in the hallways. And a staffer was like Hey, who are you? And he's like, I'm gonna Speaker 2 house with a knife. Yeah, someone did it. This will put me on a list. Yeah, well, and just White House with knife to 14. White House. Unknown Speaker You're already on? Yeah. Unknown Speaker That's good. Omar J Gonzalez. Yeah, he visited the US Army or no, yeah. Let's Speaker 1 be visited the US Army. He brought him a case of beer. Unknown Speaker Yeah. And he came in with a pocket knife. Speaker 1 Which was he wielding it? Or do these have a pocket knife? That's a different story that may have been blown up a portion then yeah, he Speaker 2 scaled though while several agents pursued him ran directly towards the doors which were unlocked. Seems like in this. Speaker 1 Well, I mean, honestly, if you've got armed security around a building all the time, what's the lock of the door gonna do? Like if that was a if Omar has his little pocket knife and he made it to the doors? What's the point of being like, oh, man, they were locked. You know, you got snipers on the roof of this building. 24/7. And Omar made it to the doors, but if Unknown Speaker they locked the doors, Speaker 1 he should have got to at least like cut Obama's leg or something, you know, Speaker 2 and they actually said in a report that they didn't shoot them because he wasn't wielding a weapon. But they did say that his jacket was large enough to conceal a lot of explosives. That's the quote. So Speaker 1 but then you risk like shooting him and then you know, yeah. Speaker 2 It sounds like he was wielding it. He they they interrupt a service agent. Speaker 1 They interviewed another sniper. And he said he didn't shoot because he didn't quote feel like it. So I don't know. Whenever you think about giving 100% of your job. Just remember there's a couple snipers on top of the White House who just whatever date that was. weren't feeling it. Speaker 2 Yeah. So he he, he ended up getting captured. So he had the knife in his pocket. It was a pocket knife in his pocket. Okay. So he wasn't wielding it. But they they took him to the hospital instead of jail because he was complaining of chest pains. which is a Unknown Speaker good way to get in jail Ospital Speaker 1 don't take me to jail. I have chest pains. Okay. Yeah, this is not Michael Fagan. Yeah, this is a different guy. My bad they sound the same to me. This Speaker 2 is a different guy. Let's see if you could name this building this is the building he intruded upon. Do you know what that is? Speaker 1 Is that Buckingham Palace? Let me give you another angle and see if you can tell Oh, this is the Indiana State Capitol I remember this we went there on a tour once is it Buckingham Palace Speaker 2 Yeah, it's Buckingham Palace and I'm Speaker 1 so Michael Fagan got in there Yeah, so my config and he's an intruder. The doors were unlocked. Who's when you got all those floofy hat guys out front? Oh, he's so locked the doors. Yeah, the blue flag salute the flag and finger guys. Speaker 2 Know, so in early July 1982. Unknown Speaker In line we see a professional headshot of this guy. Why did you have a professional headshot? If he's only famous for sneaking in? Unknown Speaker He's famous for intruding okay. He Unknown Speaker also had a band Speaker 3 he's got to look into his eyes were like everybody should have known this guy's Speaker 1 why? Okay, I'm curious how this is a full episode but let's go for it. Is that man wearing in the back in the background is that man wearing a belt with sweatpants Speaker 2 is definitely he's wearing it and they're not sweatpants their champion before champion was cool. champion Unknown Speaker belt it's like Santa Claus belt. Unknown Speaker Okay, that was his band Unknown Speaker are ready to listen to his band and the after the Fiddler's now we Speaker 2 don't have any any recordings. If they weren't, like a successful band, they weren't successful enough to record something because that Speaker 1 why he intruded now we're gonna call it the whole time the verb of he intruded he he intruded the motive. I mean, I'm gonna get there I guess Yeah, we will. Unknown Speaker So early July 1982. Yeah. Call it the first he in the middle of the night. He got very drunk and shimmied up a drain pipe to the roof got up to the roof and what thankfully Thankfully, Speaker 1 he took off he made up a drain pipe you should be to drain the drain pipe. Unknown Speaker I mean, they're big like look at the size of Speaker 1 the palace. Like yeah, but I guess I'm thinking like get closer. I'm thinking of gutters you know and a little see those big pillars those are drain pipes. No, they're not. But I'm saying like he shimmied it up it like he just got his head in and then Speaker 2 No, he didn't get in the dream. And he grabbed the outside of it. Speaker 1 I thought he was a spider for a second. I thought he was just you know the itsy bitsy Fagin waterspout down came the flu fat shot him in the face story is a sad one and this is where it is and Michael flake and die that Unknown Speaker pain that was his song and that got shot Speaker 1 in the heart was like Oh shoot. I mean, it makes way more sense that he would he would climb the outside for some reason my head was like he like headfirst into it. And like like used his shoulders to wiggle his way up a drain but yeah, Speaker 3 I guess the word shimmy does it was yes the shoulders too. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, sorry. That was me being dumb. So he climbed a rare moment on the show. Speaker 2 He climbed like, like like old school lumberjacks up a redwood. Yeah, and then like climbed his way up but it probably wasn't that wide it was probably like more like a Speaker 1 is a visual bit for our audio podcast, but I like it. You want to describe it? Yeah, he's got his Tim legs happy happening on the table and I can feel it. You can see or hear what's happening. And honestly there was never a lever like that. You get it? Okay. Climbed. He climbed a drain pipe. Yeah, he climbed a drain pipe. It's through the roof gets to the roof sees a man with a fan up there. Make it in green. And he's like, Oh shoot. Should I be green to paper? I sell. Yeah, but he's drunk dude. He thought that was Speaker 3 he was like you want to see him? He's like, whoa. Speaker 1 On July 1 1982 Michael fliegen met Wagan is possibly an alien on top of Buckingham Palace on a cold Unknown Speaker cold it is. Unknown Speaker That's all right. Speaker 2 Okay. So he found he found an open window. We're gonna get rid of this picture. Yeah, sorry I forgot I had open found an open window found an open window climbed inside he's drunk really took off his socks and shoes because he's polite. Yeah probably shouldn't take a socks or shoes. Yeah, sure. Lots of socks taking the shoes off his pipe. Taking the socks off was you're getting too gross. Speaker 1 Yeah, someone comes to my house and takes off. If they just go nude feet in my house. I gotta cover that. Your Navy toes please take my wife socks off because she calls our cats toes beans, right? Because yeah, so we're in the store of the grocery variety. And we're just walking to the store and I had to fix my sock. My sock is falling off my foot. So I take my shoe off, and I'm fixing my sock and my toe slips out and she yells loudly in a grocery store. Jared your beans are Unknown Speaker I'd be scraping Unknown Speaker both my shoes on my feet on Unknown Speaker my feet on and I'm not digging it back. Speaker 1 So he's doing it. He's pulling Zach they are in Buckingham Palace right now. Got it? Yeah. Speaker 2 So he's walking the palace. And there was a housemaid who was on the floor, like saw him climb to this window. So she ran to go get some guards. But he managed to escape the heart that hall before the cards arrive. So he was so she just went crazy. Yeah, yeah, actually. Yeah, there's no one here. Like yeah, they were like haunted Unknown Speaker dude. Speaker 2 They were like, they're like, they're like, How's some guy going to get up on the roof of Buckingham Palace? You stupid. Speaker 1 talk down to where were you talking about? Yeah, listen here. Speaker 2 They got it. You don't know that though. We know. We both get regards. She was a housemaid it was the 80s sure we know. And so he walked around the palace. And he spent about a half an hour eating cheese and crackers got into the wine. Speaker 1 What is it just our top selling white wine? Yeah, it's like just like a free sample people in the Buckingham Palace. We talked about some cheese getting into their cupboards Speaker 2 Yeah, I assume I don't know I don't eat here's the deal Speaker 1 that Christmas has a whole catalogue out called Fagan's favorites but tastes of Buckingham Palace and it's just himself I've tasted with the royalty has here's the thing Speaker 2 though the import like importing laws were interesting because the license Speaker 1 is easy. Really. It is like is there just food out I guess I guess he claims he ate cheese there are Speaker 2 over 700 rooms in Buckingham Palace and so when you have that many rooms there's probably I didn't know multiple kitchens and cupboards places Speaker 1 so I mean stated a new one every night. You never knew which one she was in roulette dude. Surprises yeah and it really the the maids freaked out because she slept naked you know? So like they would do this they would be like a game where they'd be like oh empty there's not even a Unknown Speaker bed in this room. She's just hanging from the rafters Unknown Speaker snorted loudly Unknown Speaker okay Unknown Speaker she does this that's how she lives so Unknown Speaker yes, the secret people don't sleep upside down long enough. She's still alive a timer on this recording. We're very far. Production Speaker 1 oh my gosh, I'm crying Hanging upside there are several 100 rooms so he's going a bit big he's just he managed to get to the post room there's got to be like a bunch of secret tunnels in that building you think? Speaker 2 Oh for sure. He managed to get to the post room meander through some mail for a little bit and then went to the throne room sat on the throne for a little while No Unknown Speaker we did not. Unknown Speaker I went to admire a bunch of Speaker 1 what does the throne room look like? Show me the throne room. Let's say I said that like someone who has one you also show me the throne. You did with a weird show me this is this is how Criss Angel fights in his show. I'm still not over it. Unknown Speaker Have you talked about that on the show yet? I've you know, I Speaker 1 tried and I spent too much quote too much time I remember so we cut it to put you want to put it as a bonus. mentioning it. He was drunk the whole time. It was a bad show. Do not go if you go to Vegas. But Tim we went because Tim told us was the highlight of his honeymoon. And it was I stand by it. Okay, yeah. Tim must have also been drunk the whole time. Speaker 2 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you liked this, we've got a lot of great ones. Let me recommend a recent one hitch bought. Basically some Canadian scientists said what if we made a robot that hitchhiked across the country? You think it can make it? Spoiler alert it's a fun episode. I like it a lot. You can need to check it out. One of my favorite reason jokes is in there. So check that one out. But if not, thanks for being here. Speaker 2 Here's the throne room at Buckingham Palace which honestly, Speaker 1 not impressed a little underwhelming to be real. But if you look at Speaker 2 the second chandelier on the right, that's where she hangs at night. Unknown Speaker That's her right there. Unknown Speaker Yeah, honestly, I'm going to tell you this Speaker 1 the I thought the throne would be bigger, I guess. Yeah, I Unknown Speaker would think so too. Speaker 1 I mean, I guess the ceiling like okay, I'll say this. The top of the chairs is like where it gets interesting, you know, say that? The chairs looks like a Baptist church. Speaker 2 It ain't really like that. Like every step. Yeah. carpeting. Yes. Yeah. And then even the carpet that's coming out from it. Like that does look like that square carpet that you get Speaker 1 to play basketball on a basketball goal for this room. This looks like Speaker 2 wow, that's actually the curtain behind folds down and there's a hoop Unknown Speaker How tall do you think those ceilings are is huge, though. Speaker 2 I mean, that is already right. The ceilings are beautiful. The chandeliers crazy, but I'll say this. Every time I build a castle in Minecraft, that throne room is way better than this. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's why you don't have one. If I had to guess, Speaker 2 people, how many people now have 200 rooms? Okay, let's put them in our house. Well, okay, I could have one. I could add one but, but I sold too early. Speaker 1 Well, I like apartment complex. And they have a two bedroom two bath. But they've also got a two bedroom two bath grown. But like that was like $18,000 a month. A lot more and I make good money. I make more than you but like, I don't make that much. Yeah, I mean, I make that much but I mean you don't say like I could have I could afford it. What are the Speaker 2 odds that you just convert your second bedroom into a throne room? Don't tell Reagan and just let her come home one day and you're in there. Well Speaker 1 I had that throne remember that throne? I had to Yeah. For it was a check mark bit. Oh gosh, I forgot. Yeah, we made the whole background blue checks meant something. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I applied for one actually. Unknown Speaker So you know any Olivia can get one. Unknown Speaker I haven't got it yet. I got 30 days to get it go. I Speaker 1 meant I could pay for the Instagram account called any old idiot. Verified. Okay, anyway, so he goes and sits on the throne Speaker 2 for a little bit. I mean, he he's doing this pretty quick. Honestly, he was only there for around 30 minutes. Speaker 1 And how, I guess I thought there'd be like lasers and stuff. You know, he Unknown Speaker did ship three alarms. Okay, guards kept turning him off. I'll Speaker 1 just say how does how does the museum that we talked about how does the Gardner Museum have more security than this? Speaker 2 It doesn't. So they tripped the alarm. He tripped the alarm three times. The gardens gardener was like, man, something's wrong with the alarms tonight. Just keep the alarm just keep tripping. Speaker 1 That's so like, dude, and the security guards will make in front of the maid. Yeah. Speaker 2 And then eventually he just waltz his way back up to the roof to that window cleaning out the window, put socks and shoes back on slithered down the drain. Unknown Speaker First this time, thank you Unknown Speaker and then left scaled the one left. Speaker 1 Okay, but we don't know that. So we're going fully on his testimony. Well, yeah, this didn't I mean, we're Speaker 2 going to say testimony of the neighborhood a maid as well didn't ask him Yeah, I guess hit him in the maid and the she saw go I was TK here and the palace people Unknown Speaker the palace people yeah Speaker 2 all the people who just live in the palace walls they they they don't have eyes but they hear really well they hear so good they can make out face don't Speaker 1 have eyes your stuff good they're living off what sonar Unknown Speaker that's where he got the cheese from Unknown Speaker there's Walker Unknown Speaker communicate like Wales was a terrible audio experience. I'm sorry for that. Unknown Speaker And then yeah, and they punch through here did the wall they were like geez Unknown Speaker they give a wall cheese Unknown Speaker wall cheese Speaker 1 everyone's just wakes up this yellow real long tongue or frog is the AC off. Am I Am I crazy? It's so Unknown Speaker it's so okay. Speaker 1 We should turn the AC off and see how long we make it do this friggin 99 degrees outside. Let's open the windows and just so stuffy in here. Speaker 2 Then on 7am July 9. Only a few days later. Unknown Speaker He's like I want to do it again. Unknown Speaker He climbs the 14 foot hall Speaker 1 this becomes his drunk thing. He doesn't remember any of it the first time doesn't remember it at all. This becomes his like what he does. Speaker 2 So here's the thing he climbs he has to climb the perimeter wall before he can get it and so there's a perimeter wall. That's correct. Unknown Speaker Oh, shoot. Unknown Speaker Is that the palace? Speaker 1 Is Ah, he's with the palace people. Speaker 2 Yeah, someone needs to tell him it's not safe there at night. That's what guards kept turning Speaker 1 not with the ghouls in rooms 594 through 700 Unknown Speaker That's the goal galley. Cool galley. Speaker 2 So before he can even get to the palace, there's a perimeter wall. He's got a scale. It's 14 feet tall. And it's topped with revolving spikes and barbed wire. No, it's not. Yeah, Speaker 1 the picture sorry, I said that looks I just domain like I'm gonna finish two year old picture now. Show. Picture Show me now. It's topped with rolling spikes like a frickin Indiana Jones cave. What are you talking about? This man is scaling. He's drunk too. Speaker 2 He's so drunk. Otherwise he probably want to try this because this is this. This looks like when you're waiting in line at a theme park for a rollercoaster ride. Like what they've got for the ambiance. Unknown Speaker Oh my gosh. What? He's drunkenly scaling this. Speaker 2 Yeah. For the audio on this listener. It's a 14 foot wall with spikes. Speaker 1 It's not the spikes look like what are the like jacks that you throw? They do? Yeah, they do. And they're all lined up. There's no gaps. There is no way to get around this. Yeah. And then the power wires another seven feet. Probably. Yeah, the Speaker 2 barbed wire is really tall. And it's slanted. Yeah, it's slanted backwards. This Speaker 1 is no more than what you see at a prison. Yeah, this is like, Speaker 2 honestly, this is he should trial for American Ninja Warrior. Because like that's, that's the scale of this. Except for that. Like it kills you. If you mess up. And it's not Speaker 1 electrified. It might be it looks like it looks viral on Speaker 2 the I mean, this is more recent. So like maybe they have electric since this guy got in? Sure. This was 82 Speaker 1 Yeah, it looks electrified. Look at that cable running across the second one down. Yeah, yeah, that's electrified for sure. Unknown Speaker Interesting, okay. Unknown Speaker So he's scales this Speaker 2 who scales this wall gets over this problem, climbs up his trusty old drainpipe the same one as last time. And alarm sensor actually senses his movements at this point before he even gets in. But again, the security guards are like, Ah, it's broken. Busted. Unknown Speaker She must be flying around again. Unknown Speaker So basically, it's upside down, but they get Speaker 1 wiser than ever. Yeah. And she's sleep flies. She's doing it. She wakes up. She has no recollection. That's like the secret of the royal family is that they're all some weird like bat hybrids. They they're behind their horns. Speaker 2 But they can't do it. They Can't do it themselves. It's not on command. It's only in there. It's only when they're asleep. Unknown Speaker They used to be able to do it on command. That's how they got power. But now they're just really hoping to hang on. Unknown Speaker It's because they keep hitting the wall cheese the wall Jean Speaker 1 Michel Fagan gets in there with the silver spike. He doesn't know but he's the hero. He can only do it when he's drunk. He's tried to climb the wall sober. Here's the story. Here's the fable the fake and fable if you will. Long ago, there was a family who were bats. Hybrid bats. Left upside down. Yeah, that's what I'm going for. I want to say that I want the SEO to pick up that we're calling the Queen vampy? Yeah, you know, that's a vampy queen. She sleeps upside down. There's a different family though Fagan's who have to have a silver spike that's passed down generation a generation. And all it takes to gain power of Europe and take over the royal family is to kill one of them with a silver spike. But Michael Fagan is trying to get in to do it. He's trying to finish his centuries long battle of these two families, but he can't do it. Unless he gets blackout drunk. And then what happens is when he's drunk, he forgets that he's he's wandering around the cat sightseeing, freaking cheese and crackers. Hungry, you know? And he's like, who's the voice is telling me to eat cheese? Yeah, dude. That's the voices of her long lost relatives. They're trying to protect the family. It's a whole thing. Have you not read the book? Your dying grandma has told you this your entire life, ma'am. And so he's wandering the rooms and she's just teleporting room to room. They can teleport, going room to room. And she's and really what happened was, you know, he realized when he got into the silver spike had fallen down the drain pipe and into the sewage with the other family. Oh, no, there's no Third. Third, you got to wait. You got to buy my new book. But it's the other family rats. Yeah, obviously, obviously. Yeah. Speaker 2 Okay, I like this. You're shockingly close. Yeah. Speaker 1 I mean, like the book is called through the eyes of Sergeant Winslow. Unknown Speaker Sergeant Fagan. He was a CIA operative. Speaker 1 gone rogue. taught him how to kill but not how to love. Unknown Speaker I like this start. Like where this is going. Unknown Speaker You're gonna have it when you write your novels or whatever Unknown Speaker cool taken. Unknown Speaker I support your dreams. Speaker 2 You don't have to. So he's trips on alarm this time before he even gets up the drain pipe. But again, they're like, oh, it's broken. So they turn it off and go about their business. Sure. He gets up there gets to the roof. This time. He doesn't take his shoes off. He's feeling rude. Speaker 1 He just came on time. Yeah. It figured out so tight. What's on my feet right now when he was sober. That was he it was him trying to prepare? Yeah, he was like, I'm gonna get really drunk or take my shoes off. That was my mistake. Last time mistake Speaker 2 last time. There's sticky notes all over his shoes, telling him his mission. Don't forget. Speaker 1 I like that he has a dual consciousness. Okay, don't forget your mission. But he doesn't know what that is. Unknown Speaker Sticky Note. He's like he's like, Ah, yes. Unknown Speaker I have permission. Unknown Speaker says I have permission to be here. Unknown Speaker My dad said I can Unknown Speaker talk to you Unknown Speaker I like the queen Unknown Speaker so Speaker 2 into the palace again, he's walking around the palace. And here's the deal. Here's the thing. Speaker 3 He's very drunk. He sees the maid. Speaker 2 Well, he doesn't see a maid this time but he realizes he has to pee. And so he starts running around the palace looking for a bathroom. How many bathrooms 770 rooms, four bathrooms? No, I don't know how many bathrooms is Buckingham Palace have many bathrooms and bucking Speaker 1 to 700 300 and a half 7878 bathrooms 70 bathrooms that ratio is pretty rough to be honest. Speaker 2 775 rooms not somebody's 175 bedrooms. Oh, yeah. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I mean, I guess the Throne Room is a room. Yeah, Speaker 2 yeah. 19 State Rooms 52. Royal in guest bedrooms 188 staff bedrooms, 99 offices 78 bathrooms 55 French fries, 55 Burgers 55 pizzas 100 such ease. We're going to listen to the last Unknown Speaker few pizzas and slushies Unknown Speaker burgers. 55 French fries 55 Unknown Speaker totally Speaker 1 stupid. I told you I was writing a bit about that right? Yeah, I have the I have the drive thru bit right now. And I was like gonna do a dang. Saw that good stuff. Yeah, that's a good as two references in a row that we're not going to tell you those are if you get them you get them and if you don't bummer sorry for you join our Discord Speaker 1 Hey, it's me again, thanks for being here for this episode. If you like what we're doing, it does cost us money to do this. And so just think about that. You know, that's it. We have Patreon supporters. And it really helps us to make this show possible. Honestly, we're so grateful for everyone who listens to the show. But there's, there's people who want to make more of it happen and so they financially support the show. And you get a lot back for it. You get our private discord where we chat every day we're hanging out and just getting to bond and hang out. We also do live zoom Hangouts for our Patreon supporters. You get exclusive merch, it's a good time, there's a lot there's a lot in it for you. And it's a lot easier for us because we get to know you better. You know, you're not just a number and a stat board or whatever. But you know, you're our friends and we appreciate you a lot. So consider doing that. If not, then you can listen to this dumb little ad, because that's how we're going to get money from you. We're going to leech from you either way. We're gonna get paid. We're in this for the cold hard cash baby. Anyway, here's an ad. Speaker 2 How do they how do they get it though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh, dang, we're doing Speaker 1 Yeah, they can text Tillandsia 66866 Thanks, Jared. Speaker 2 So the he starts rushing around the house looking for one of those 78 bath he's asking Speaker 1 the walls. Word yp is what a double cheese. Cheese. He's like, Yeah. P P. And they're like chi he's, you know, Speaker 3 he's eating so much cheese looking for this bathroom. It's like it's not even good anymore. But against the kid. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Unknown Speaker Finally, he finds Unknown Speaker the return the air is hot. So Speaker 2 hot. He finds the royal dog food. And he's like, this is my only option. It pays in the dog food piece in the dog. Because he had no other option. Apparently, I think he just Unknown Speaker that sounds like Unknown Speaker that sounds sounds like terrorism Speaker 1 are the things that like scary, crazy neighbor would do to you know, like, you know, you'd be like having this feud with your neighbor. Yeah, they'd be like, you take your trash cans in I swear I forgot to whatever. And then like all of a sudden a couple weeks later he goes I peed in your dog's food and you said I peed in your dog's food. Yeah, you owned me to Gabi Unknown Speaker you gotta you wanna throw that away now. Speaker 1 Your dogs are eaten my urine kibble. P Rena. You're a scary person saying, you know, Speaker 2 here's the thing about Buckingham Palace. Yeah. When you're walking down the palace halls, there's a lot of rooms right? Yeah, so these rooms are laid lots of rooms. Lots and lots of big big table, the big table and the back with Speaker 1 lots of lots of food not gonna keep this going. How big was the backyard Tim? It was it's it's a UK play. Speaker 2 You could not it was the UK you could play football. You could not you could not and not in the back and Unknown Speaker we could play football. Go Unknown Speaker see it's different. I'm not gonna Oh gosh. Do Unknown Speaker they shout go over there when they sing that song. Instead of touchdown. Unknown Speaker I don't think they sing that song over there. Speaker 1 You know that they're going to sop big house. We lost lots of rooms. A big big table with a big yard. Well, we could play football. A big big is my father's house. You don't think so? It's a pretty big yard. I'm only just now realizing that they use Buckingham Palace for Richie Rich like in the Disney in the Disney yeah original Speaker 2 honestly also might be the house at the end of national treasure that he drives the Lamborghini up to is true or Ferrari or whatever he gets at the end Speaker 1 that's crazy there's always that many fluffy head guys outside and not one of you see there's guys on the roof that's all I'm saying there's snipers on the roof Unknown Speaker there are now this change that oh hey you can see the Queen flying over there Speaker 2 okay so here's the thing when you have a room that big you label your rooms because no one's going to enter the halls like the same. So you're walking through the hall and there's Princess Diana's room. There's some other royal person's room. Oh. Oh, okay. And then there's Queen Elizabeth the Second. Their signs. Yeah. Because Because everyone's you're not gonna remember. And he goes Unknown Speaker q2. Speaker 2 So he meanders into the room. No. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. This is the size of a the size of home we're dealing with here. Yeah, it's not a you walk through the door. And you're in the room. Yeah, there's Speaker 1 a vestibule if you will for Yeah, got a lobby with an assistant. Yeah, yeah. And Speaker 2 so he walks in the room. And there's like a little seating area with an ashtray. And it's like an ornate like crystal ashtray. And so he decides I'm gonna play with a break it so he's just playing with that for a bit and he drops it. I'm hooked Speaker 1 on the grind. Johnson it shatters through it on the ground. You know, they do that over there to wakes the Queen up. No one else he drops Speaker 2 it into shatters. And instead of instead of like being like a hot bomber, he just starts trying to pick it all up and he cuts his hands open. And so he started bleeding from the hands. But he's like, he's like, you're telling me Speaker 1 he can make it through the spikes and the barbed wire. But when it comes to a broken ashtray, this is where he is injured. Yeah. Speaker 2 It says get all bloody a picks up one of the shards of glass and he carries it into the room and so he opens up the room and walks in the room and now Speaker 1 your bloody hands bloody literally red handed, with a shard of glass in your hand. That looks like you're gonna kill the queen. Speaker 2 So you walk into the room and Queen Elizabeth the Second asleep in her bed still. The shattering glass didn't wake her up. The vestibule was large enough, I guess that it swallowed the sound. And so he walks into a room and she's sleeping in bed at 7am She sleeps late apparently. Speaker 1 Well, yeah. What did she got to do that day? She's been up all night. Speaker 2 And so he's he's meandering around a room kind of exploring. What does Queen Elizabeth have in her room? And he's, here's, here's, there's no ways. There's the direct quote. He disturbs a curtain and then allows some sunlight into the room and that sunlight wakes her up. This is not real. And it wakes her up. And she sees this dude standing in her curtains ripping what's holding this glass. And so she grabs the phone and starts calling security calls three times he goes Hey, Unknown Speaker hey, he says the prophecy hey Unknown Speaker I'm not gonna hurt you you've been having some chest pains Speaker 1 you say like what the frickin so she calls security and security and answers she Unknown Speaker calls three times secured you're telling me in a security office Unknown Speaker they don't have a massive red light that says Speaker 3 the Queen's bedroom. Now they're sitting there they're Unknown Speaker the main person is calling your security and it's just he's like he's got his magazine. This is Princess Diana dies in a car accident. He's like wait a minute. He has no This looks good since we haven't done it yet but Unknown Speaker you're still trying to do the phone Unknown Speaker he thinks it's the sodar he thinks he's like Unknown Speaker he's like take the cheese. Take it Unknown Speaker are you talking about Speaker 2 So yeah she calls security three times no one no one answered because it Unknown Speaker go to voicemail for security she Speaker 2 yells get out to watch Michael Fagan drunkenly mumble something but doesn't actually leave and then so she runs into the hall and finds like a housemate and they run and get security and security comps. And sure enough, this dude standing there, buddy hands broken glass, Tangled. Speaker 1 Tangled, over the 14 foot wall. Rotating spikes, barbed wire, Speaker 2 is that last round at the pump, the pump was just starting to hit him, Speaker 1 but you run into a good set of curtains. That's where and that's why it's important to invest in curtains. Speaker 2 And when I say curtains, I don't mean I mean, I mean like drapery like we need them full, full bodied, tangible this very not tangled is your Unknown Speaker home security uncertainty. Fix it with our curtains. Go to go to Tim and Jaron curtains.com right now. Speaker 2 I wish we had like an in house photographer I wish these websites a way to Speaker 1 commerce store to set up some good curtains. Yeah. Unknown Speaker Oh, first of all might have curtains Unknown Speaker we can make a request Speaker 1 out of those curtains on display somewhere as the hero of the ad to intruder. Speaker 2 So they got him. They got him. They removed him from the palace grounds. And Speaker 1 it did cut the curtains tangled up. They said to cut the curtains. He took them with him. Speaker 2 And so there was there was some issues, obviously. They the William White law was the officer on duty like the lead security officer on duty. He was fired. But Margaret Thatcher came back and was like, no, he's fine. Let them continue, but seems like she had. Speaker 1 Yeah. That's sketch it so Unknown Speaker he got his job back. Speaker 2 And so for some reason, at the time, whatever Michael Fagan did was not considered criminal offenses and said they were civil defenses offenses. And so II paid some fines. His largest offense was actually stealing the wire the Speaker 1 Queen No, his largest offense was actually stealing the illegal it'd be within 10 feet of her. Speaker 2 Now it's not Yeah. Legally, how close can I get to the Queen? Unknown Speaker We on the list Speaker 1 is there a real law? So the Queen's COVID-19 policy, what are you looking at right now? Speaker 2 So okay, there's a couple of things here. One, there is a cardinal rule, which is not technically a law, but you have to walk behind the queen. You can never walk in front of her. Yeah, beside her. And then, since 1993, visitors have been allowed to roam the palace. Behind the Queen's death, they don't allow that anymore. Now that she's dead, you guys can come in here. Yeah, we got here. Yeah. And they were like, remember when? Remember we did that one time someone did that. It was really funny. Unknown Speaker Well, it's cuz she's, you know, dead. Speaker 2 They don't know where she is. She's flying around there. Yeah, just kidding. She's been released from her mortal body. So now. And definitely, Speaker 1 there was a whatever she died. There was a story of I forget who it was. But it was like an official in the government walking with her somewhere. And this couple on holiday sees them. And they recognize him. And they're talking about how he's been working for the queen and all this stuff, but they didn't recognize her. And so they had her take a picture. She was like, I'll take the picture and took a picture of them with this guy because he worked with the queen and they were like, thank you so much, you sweet old lady. Unknown Speaker That's Majrooh Unknown Speaker That's hilarious. I love that. Unknown Speaker Anyways, so he Speaker 1 did that a Disney with your a little bit that you like where you're like, oh, yeah, I'll take a picture. She did that. It does. See where some people recognize the two of us? Yeah. And they're like, we get a picture. She said, Yeah, and then handed me their phone. That's really all there. She takes it and goes, thank you and then made me take a picture of them. And Speaker 2 that's really funny. I like that a lot. Did you take a picture with him after that? Yeah. Now you shouldn't have. Unknown Speaker Yeah. And then I drove us. So first. Speaker 2 It was just a civil offense, civil offense. He actually only got charged with stealing the wine. But that charge ended up later getting dropped. Speaker 1 But I mean, how much is Palestine worth? That might still be Speaker 2 well, in a later interview, he said it was a cheap Californian. Oh, yeah. But he got dropped because they Unknown Speaker used to call Reagan's landlord Unknown Speaker just a cheap. Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, that's not gonna get fixed landlords a cheap California. Yeah. Speaker 2 So he was in the charges got dropped because they committed him for a psychiatric evaluation. And so he got examined for that. And they decided he was just drunk. Oh, interesting. Now he spent three months in a psychiatric hospital was released in January 1983. Geez. And then the rest of his life was kind of uneventful except for two things. He fought a police guard and went to jail for a little bit after that and then he went to prison for three years for conspiracy to sell heroin Unknown Speaker but did not very Unknown Speaker okay if after that Sure, Speaker 1 yeah, yeah, go to sell heroin. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, so nothing major in his life. There was episode of the queen or the crown not the Queen the crown Netflix's the crown. Oh, that had this where a Michael taken breaks into the palace to meet the Queen and have a word with her because he was worried about Margaret Thatcher's leadership. Oh, but that wasn't really what happened. He was just a drunk. They adapted it to be like, Oh, he wanted to talk to her about policy and stuff held her hostage and he was like, this is the only way they have like a heart to heart in the show. And Speaker 1 oh, do they? She wakes up she was well security's not answering. She was well what are your biggest fears? Why are you here? Like she's she's gonna hostage negotiate her way out? Yes, like, honestly, I just needed to feel heard. Thank you, Queen. Unknown Speaker Thanks, Queen. Thanks, Queen. Speaker 1 You know what? I hope happens. I hope that there's a stupid movie made where they call it the Queen kills one of the demons or whatever. Yeah, I'm talking about Yeah, and then another character goes slay queen. And I just I resent the fact that I know that movie would get funding before whatever projects we want. You know? Unknown Speaker It Yeah. So anyways Speaker 1 What's he did he die now? How old? Are you still alive? He still does interviews. He's just never. He's never asked to do them. But he does. Yeah, he just breaks into the newsroom. Unknown Speaker It's okay guys. Speaker 2 It's me, Michael Fagan. Intruder. Like yeah, Unknown Speaker they're like yeah, we Unknown Speaker wanted to put the glass down, buddy. Speaker 1 He's got it. He's gonna zone supersuit it's just the curtain from Valley No, he just bought an incredible super suit any eye he's like it stands for intruder. It was an incredible Halloween costume Unknown Speaker Michael Speaker 3 and he's like No, it's just you're supposed to hate just go with it. It's for the news to be on TV. Unknown Speaker So that's all I Speaker 2 did. That's all I did. Yeah, that's Michael thing. Oh, he's the intruder who successfully broke into Buckingham Palace. Buckingham Palace Unknown Speaker his address Speaker 2 Buckingham Palace is located at I assumed that would be the top of the Wikipedia page but apparently it's not so let's just search Buckingham Palace Unknown Speaker address you're on so many watch list Unknown Speaker could I get to the Queen without it being Unknown Speaker Rockingham Palace address Speaker 2 it's literally London SW one a one a double A UK I don't know how the UK does addresses but that's so Speaker 1 he is the intruder of London Swa one wa UK Yeah, yeah. No it doesn't flow as well as the watcher but the ones All hail the intruder. Unknown Speaker Oh well the industry man Well, okay. Speaker 2 I love this guy. I just love the fact that honestly the same thing you said that he got over that wall, but it was Speaker 1 the drapes that drapes that the drapes of wrath. What's crazy is that to this day you can take Buckingham Palace tours. Yeah, no, Unknown Speaker well you can't anymore. Yes you can. Speaker 1 No you have enough money. Yeah, do they love the rich people fiddle off the Queen Speaker 2 things either last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts. Our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jared Meyers and Tim stone falls on your favorite social media platform at Taylan podcast is Ti LL and podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


It was the first week of July 1982. Michael Fagan drunkenly stammered home from the pub when he came across a familiar sight, Buckingham Palace. Possessed with a deep desire for crime Fagan did the unthinkable. He scaled the palace walls and entered the fortress through a rooftop window. After tripping multiple alarms, drinking royal wine, and exploring the throne … Read More

Ida Wood – Millionaire Hidden in a Hotel for 24 Years

07-18-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's up, dude? Have you ever heard of Idlewood? Speaker 1 All right, I would. I would. Well, if I knew it would tell you, but I don't. I don't think I know. If I knew I would tell you, Speaker 2 I would tell you. Yeah, that's weird. That's a weird like, it doesn't feel right at all. What? Whose idea would Ah, okay, so um, where to start this story speaking Speaker 1 of theft, I I was looking for my package. The other day, I bought two new job hats. Speaker 2 We literally 15 minutes ago to start recording this episode. Jared went on a long tangent about something and we used Unknown Speaker something. Criss Angel. Unknown Speaker We said cut that part. Let's put it in the after the fiddle. Let's save an Speaker 1 ad break for like, can we do an anti ad for Criss Angel, please. That's how much I hate this guy. And she goes over my dead body. I don't wish anyone's demise. Unless I have a rich relative I don't know, then I hope they perish. Hey guys, welcome to treason anonymous. Don't worry about what's going on in there. Doesn't get it don't worry about it. Things I Learned last night Speaker 1 and then we start we're like, let's restart. Let's start it up as said, here we go. And I'm glad you brought it up. Because I was looking for my hats today. And I look at my security camera footage. And this woman straight up stole my package. She sees the camera. She goes, Oh, backs away is if maybe the camera didn't get her reaches around the corner and grabs the box and then just walks through like it's her box. And you see the whole thing. She didn't walk through like it was her? Oh yeah. She's like she got up on her foot. And so she lives and she can't she can't balance without her arms. flailing you don't talk about so she's walking like, Unknown Speaker Yeah, she looks like one of the toys and Toy Story. Yeah. So Speaker 1 if you're in Kansas City, and you see a limp and Lady, take out her other leg for me. Yeah. Take her down. She's got my hats. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Wearing a hat. That's way too big for her. Speaker 1 Here's what I'm saying though, is that that lady doesn't realize that she stole from a psychopath. I don't got anything to do. All right. I got a day job. We're gonna leave here right now. Yeah, I want to be home looking through my people. Waiting honor. You know, saying? And here's the thing a lot of people don't know about me. I'm dangerous. All right. I'm not physically I'm a herder. What are you gonna do on your porch and just say, cool hat. No, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put $2,001 and an air tag in a box. And I'm gonna let her steal that she's gonna be a felon. All right. I'm gonna ruin this lady's life. I mean, more than she's stealing packages on porches. Why her? Life's not great. Yeah, and I'm gonna make sure it never is. You know, it's like I'm Speaker 2 I'm gonna keep it there. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm happy you found a new passion. Well, Speaker 1 I love having an enemy. And right now I have to Yeah, who's the other one? Criss Angel Unknown Speaker I got all my stuff out of the way. Speaker 2 Sweet. On March 5 1907 or 1931. Sorry, way off on the date. March 5 1931. Speaker 2 Okay, call me crazy. That's all pilots do. Great. At the Herald Square Hotel in New York City. A door on the I think sixth or seventh floor opened up into a room that has not been opened in 24 years. And why 93 year old woman who with a hunchback and half clothed, ran down the hall yelling that her sister was dying. Speaker 1 She comes out of that room. Yeah, we were the doors napot open for 24 years. Well, it's been open, but the room hasn't been used for 24 years. Why hasn't the room been used for 24 years because their sister Speaker 2 died in there. 24 years ago. Now. Is that what happened? Well, you Speaker 1 did say 1907 which is 24 years before 1931. So you mess up. You mess up some dates here. Let's do it again. Did you do it again? Speaker 1 March 31 No March 7 March 5 March 5. At 3119 3093 year old woman comes running over door that has not been open for 24 years. Do you want to start over? Let's start over Speaker 1 what happened? So So she comes running out half naked he comes. Speaker 2 I don't know, I actually don't know if the answer that everything I just said that said I've quote. Nobody took the time to specify. Okay. See, that's the problem with journalism in America. Speaker 1 Yes. You're really trying to get away from it. That's fine. Just go on with the story. Just for cover. Unknown Speaker I've recovered. So hey, she goes, I know you're Unknown Speaker new to podcasting. Speaker 2 She goes, she goes down the hall yelling that her sister was dying. And she needs help was dying, actively actively dying can. And so the hotel employees are like, Okay, what room and then they were like, Oh, weird. I thought there was a ghost in that room. Speaker 1 She was, yeah, it's been me. For 24 years. Speaker 2 We've been trying to get out. So you get a doctor. The doctor comes and her sister does end up passing away. And then everyone was like, Hey, where'd you come from? Because you know, this room like we none of us have ever seen you before. We've been looking working in this hotel for 15 years. None of us have seen you. We don't know who you are. And she's like, Oh, I'm Ida wood. And so they got back in there. Unknown Speaker Oh, sorry. You should have said that to begin with. Speaker 2 And so they go back into our system. And I guess while they don't have a system, they go back in their binder. Yeah, they're a little. They put their white gloves on and open up the binder. Yay. And they find it what? Yes, she has. Speaker 1 She's just not paid rent for 24 years? Well, no, she has been in Speaker 2 the hotel for 24 years. paying cash, sliding it in an envelope and a slip in like a like the cash. Whatever box. No one seen her though. For 24 years, she's been paying for this room Speaker 1 or collected the cash. No, they collected the cash. Speaker 2 But everyone was just like who aren't like you would think that someone's been in this room for 24 years, the staff would probably start to get to know them. You know, like kind of like a sure like a Suite Life of Zack and Cody situation. Yeah. But not this one. And Speaker 1 has she been in and out of it, though? She leaves she gets groceries? Speaker 2 No. So there were a couple of maids who would try to change the sheets? And then they would refuse? They would say no, you can't come in here. Unknown Speaker And who would refuse Unknown Speaker either word and her now dead sister. Speaker 1 So you can't come in here? Yeah, there was a new seller was in there? Well, they Speaker 2 knew but they didn't know who she was. And they knew that room hadn't been open for 24 years, or they had they hadn't had access to Unknown Speaker 24 year old sheets. Speaker 2 I mean, there were occasions where she changed them. And she did. She would there was a there was a specific hotel manager like a night manager who was like, Yeah, sometimes. Like, I'll go up there and ask if they needed anything. And then they let Speaker 1 me in and we played poker and I drink into the night with them. But other than that, I don't think I've seen her the whole time. We would. I guess we've never exchanged names. She's always just a friendly old lady. To me. Speaker 2 She's always just been room 555. And she's like, every once a while they ask for crackers, bacon or eggs or something like that. Unknown Speaker It's a hotel. This is a hotel. He's Speaker 2 paying a nightly rate. Yeah. Yeah. For 20 years or 24 years. Yeah. And so they they go and fish. That's pretty much all it is crackers, fish, bacon and eggs. It's like all they're taking. And so they after this whole thing happens. They were like, Hey, we need to probably go check out what's going on in your room. And she's like, Oh, Speaker 1 don't worry about that. Don't worry about what's going on in there. It doesn't get fine. Don't worry about it. Speaker 2 So go up in there and and they're looking through a room just kind of chatting with her while they while they do it. She's Unknown Speaker like, Yeah, so like, what Unknown Speaker do you do for a living? Unknown Speaker She's like, Oh, I work remote. Unknown Speaker Yes. 1931 What is she doing? Speaker 2 And so they're going through a room. And they're talking to her. It's like an episode of Hoarders. There's crackerbox everywhere tell it's a two room suite. So it's how big of a hotel Oh, the hotel. Hold on. Let me look at this picture of it. I can only see half of it. But it looks like it's at least six stories. We're gonna picture size. Good size. Yeah, it's a decent it's New York City's Manhattan. Okay, but 1931 So not I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's not today Manhattan, but I would say it's not like a bed and breakfast that she's saying 1931 Manhattan is probably like today, Columbus, Ohio. Unknown Speaker Did you know what that London Unknown Speaker London took to Oh, Speaker 1 yes. No London is the same like square miles as Springfield, Missouri. Did you know that? Unknown Speaker I so much that I say that in the Springfield episode? Unknown Speaker I did you say that before that. I hate Speaker 2 that you're trying to act like I didn't already say that. What are you talking? I hate you so much. You're the worst person I've ever met in my life. Okay, well, we can move on. We don't have to do whatever this bit is Speaker 1 sorry for giving you relevant information. Okay, Unknown Speaker you know what you do? What episode was that? Was that Springfield? Unknown Speaker What are you typing? Oh Speaker 2 my god. Okay, so that's made me so irrationally mad. Speaker 2 And they're talking about and they think this lady's see now, because they're asking her questions. She's 93, right. And she's got a hunchback. She's mostly blind. They're talking to her. She's talking all about her life. And she's like, she's like, Yeah, you know, back in the day, she said, we live. I mean, we Speaker 1 here in the day, we lived here 24 years. Unknown Speaker Now she's talking like back Speaker 1 in the day like she knows. She knows all their names. Although she was Jeffrey. I was here the day you got hired. Let's just do your report. And I was here that day. You did that thing. You saw no one saw. But I did. And I was here the day you died. Ah 1984. Jeffrey Do you pray? Okay, Unknown Speaker so she's talking about her life. Unknown Speaker She's like a typical old lady. We have a picture of her. Unknown Speaker Well, I got a picture of her when she's young. Let me see if I can grab a picture or when just Unknown Speaker put it in a I make it old. Make it all. Just make it all make it all. Speaker 2 Okay, here we go. I mean, this one's still kind of young. This is the oldest I can find. I'm pretty sure this is still like probably honestly, probably before she even moved into the hotel this like she's still relatively young in this in this photo. Hold on. Okay, one. Speaker 1 Oh, man, so she moved in 1907. Yes. She lived there for 24 years. Yes. They have record of her moving in. Which day and night? Oh, yeah, that's what I was kind of picturing. I mean, like an older version of that, for sure. Yeah. Speaker 2 So is this I mean, she's still pretty young in this. Yeah. This is the oldest I can find her. So she's she starts telling them stories of her life. Okay. And so this is the life story that they pieced together this conversation from her Unknown Speaker wherever she in 1912. Speaker 2 The war? Okay, no, so she was born in New Orleans. Okay, in January 1838. She grew up from a father who owned a sugar plantation, a pretty wealthy life, childhood, but she wanted more. She didn't love her experience in New Orleans and wanted to see the world and experience different things. Sure. And so she moved to New York City, where she said, I want to find myself and influential businessmen to marry Yeah. And so she started get yourself a Unknown Speaker sugar daddy, Ida Ida. Speaker 2 So she started buying like the equivalent of like, Forbes magazines to find out who all like the male influencers were like the business influencers. Speaker 1 Okay, which is the 19 What years this? She's doing this, Unknown Speaker this is now 18. Like the early 1850s. Yeah, Speaker 1 I mean, that's like, that's like your Instagram explorer page. Yeah. Yeah. Unknown Speaker Let me see if I can find any, like, Unknown Speaker see if I can find any entrepreneur angles. Speaker 2 Yeah. And so she finds this man named Benjamin wood. Okay. Benjamin Wood was the owner of The New York Daily newspaper. Which interesting sidebar about him real quick. He bought this newspaper in 1860. And in 1861, the US federal government banned it and stopped him from doing business Unknown Speaker because he knew too much. Speaker 2 Well, because they believed that he was allowing Confederate spies just say it's to put codes in the paper and like the advice columns, and so they shut him down and And then 18 months later, they let them open business backup. And so okay. The paper after it opened back up was pretty successful. Unknown Speaker Well, yeah, I mean, it led to the war. This paper did the war codes and it was like alright guys time to start. Speaker 2 So he was running this paper and the paper was a major paper and he was very successful. Sure, because if it was floated in all the eight circles in New York, right, he was informed exactly what it was called. And so she popped them off a letter. And what, cuz she knew she knew she had no way to actually meet this guy. Yeah. What Speaker 1 do you what do you like, if you like pina coladas? Similar caught in the rain. Another Unknown Speaker concept, very similar concept. Speaker 1 I mean, wow, to be like a rich guy in the late 1800s. And just get like, fan mail. And you gotta have your like, was that picture included in it? You're like, whoa, okay. Well, it's I mean, unis. It's DMS. Speaker 2 It's the same thing as DMS. But it's you can't like you don't have a general tab. It's not as a rapper too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's what she said. Haven't heard of you. Often. I'd venture to address you from hearing a young lady, one of your former loves speaks of you. I don't know who she found that speaks of him. And he said, she says, she says you are fond of new faces. I fancy that as I am new in the city, and have an affairs day corps that I might contract when people read Speaker 1 our stuff. 100 years from now will sound pretty stupid. Yeah, probably. I mean, but like we sound less educated than the people who write in the early 1900s. Yeah. You know, do you think people will sound even dumber than we are? Speaker 2 I mean, if no history continues, trending the way it's trending, then yeah, probably Unknown Speaker no cap. She's risen in this letter. Speaker 2 Yeah, long story short, essentially, she's saying, I know you're married. But I'm down. And I think I look pretty good. So Florencia, are you interested in handleless Mary, like she straight up says, are you interested in having an affair? Did Unknown Speaker she say in the letter she said, How does she work? Well, she Speaker 2 said, I know that as I am new in the city and and and affairs day, cool rare that I might contract and be agreeable in intimacy with you have as long duration as you see fit to have it. Unknown Speaker She's like, Hey, Speaker 2 she says, I believe that I'm not extremely bad looking. And then she says, If you'd wish, in the interview, address a letter to number Broadway PO Box, New York stating that what time we meet. So she literally was like all of you. Oh, yeah, all of your mistress. And so he, Unknown Speaker lady, I got a line out the door. You know? Speaker 3 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like this, and you want more of our show, we've got plenty of other episodes. One of my favorites is action Park, a super sketchy theme park that was basically overrun by teenagers. And they just made the rules. It was in New Jersey, it was a wild story. But we did a whole episode about it. And I think you'd like it. So when you're done with this one, go check out that episode. But for now, back to this one. Speaker 2 So they meet in a park a couple of weeks later, and they have a 10 year long affair until his wife dies. Speaker 1 This isn't exciting anymore. He's like, Yeah, it's kind of over for me now. You know, like, it's, Speaker 2 they met, they met and she was 20 he was or no, she was 18. He was 39. And so they have a 10 year long affair. And then his wife dies and they get married. A sidebar by the time they got married, they already had a child together. That was she's, like 10 years old. And for some reason, people just did no, that was very, not okay. It was very, very taboo. And so Speaker 1 people don't mean like it was okay. But I mean, like that a lot of people do that you think have like whole second families, third families, maybe. Speaker 2 I mean, probably, but I mean, people probably did it. I don't know if I'm gonna say a lot of people. But it was it was a very taboo thing. And everybody, especially in the 30s when newspaper articles started coming out about her, said that was really weird that nobody cared that they had a child before they were married, especially before his wife died. And so that was a weird thing that happened. Yeah, but if you got enough money, I guess you could do anything. So they get married. And he his newspaper goes from good to great and starts being like The tarp paper in New York City is a huge deal. This is like the what? 1870s. Now 18, early 1880s. Yeah, he runs for Congress, Ronald Reagan era. Era, he runs for Congress and he wins. And so he becomes a congressman. Oh, and serves two terms as a congressman. And now she is dancing with princes overseas and like hanging out with Abraham Lincoln. Like legitimately, like, living like a Royal Lifestyle. Speaker 1 She's not hanging out with Abraham Lincoln. She's seven in the 70s. Yeah. In the 80s. Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, no, no, this was early on. Oh, this was earlier. Unknown Speaker I was gay. I don't know. Yeah, cool. Speaker 2 Well, important part of the story is that everybody was listening to his story was like this lady's see now. This stuff happened. This is her story that she's telling everyone. And so she's in so she said that she's living this high life. She's doing all this stuff, but her husband Benjamin, he had a gambling problem. And Speaker 1 this guy's got a lot of vices, then. Yeah, mistresses gambling. Speaker 2 Yeah. Greed. Sure. veterancy Speaker 1 Yeah. No, I just got like, yeah. Hey, guys, welcome to treason anonymous. You know, you got to admit you got a problem? Yeah. My problem is that as hate this country's Speaker 2 America. Yeah, I went to this camp. I was like a men's night. And I nailed my Confederate ideals to the cross. Speaker 1 Told right and we did that. Reagan tells me, she goes, yeah, when I used to have like a bad thought I would just visualize myself writing on a piece of paper, crumpling it up and throwing it a trash can. And I was like, that's funny. Funny. Similar. We wrote on a piece of paper and nailed it to the cross. She goes, No, not like my sins. And I said, Yeah, we didn't either. We just wrote down. Stuff that we felt bad about it. Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah. Because you don't want to put your real sins there. Oh, yes. Someone looks Unknown Speaker faster. It's gonna look. Speaker 2 Yeah, one kid did that. Yeah. Didn't turn out. Well, Speaker 1 that was the coolest trick that Criss Angel. Piece of paper out and it was all my sins. Like, whoa. How'd you do that? Criss Angel. Yeah, and then he was murder though. I was like, I haven't done it doesn't look to me. He looked at the screens. The camera anyway. Now Yeah. Unknown Speaker And then in memoriam came up Unknown Speaker I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna walk down the wire. I hate Criss Angel. Speaker 2 So So he becomes a congressman and he he's got this gambling issue. Okay. And they have two very different relationships with money they're rolling in right now. Speaker 1 Here's his gamble, try to make more. Well, his Speaker 2 is is just who cares? I mean, we've got plenty of it. They, their wealth at this time was estimated their net value at this time was estimated to be somewhere equivalent today of around $61 million. So they had Speaker 1 a lot of money. We've proved that her husband exists, though. Like we know, he's a real he's a real guy. Speaker 2 He's a real guy. Yeah. And every person she's talking about talking about is real. And so she, but she was a saver. Like, she was very frugal. She didn't want to spend money. She didn't want to blow money. Sure. She had nice things, but she was conscious, you know, like, careful with it. And so her his gambling problem really bothered her more than all the others. Literacy, you know, Speaker 1 to other kids, or their mistresses nine other family he's like, Yeah, but I mean, like, I vetted him. Yeah, but yeah, Unknown Speaker we did interviews. We had those around. Unknown Speaker For round process background checks, approved them. Speaker 2 Yeah. What am I supposed to do? The investors wanted this. Speaker 1 I mean, one of them was a diversity hire Sure. Unknown Speaker No one's buying our paper anymore. I don't know what Speaker 1 you want me to do. We got what do you want me to do? Turn to gambling. We're the Speaker 2 business. So they make a deal. They say. He and her will split half of his winnings. Anytime he wins in gambling. She gets to take half of it and save it hide it away. Unknown Speaker And the other half he gets to float. Speaker 2 Yeah, he has to eat all of his own losses though. That's not coming out of those their savings. Okay, so she said But let's set aside $2 million of that times money off of his earnings. So he developed a problem. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, is he have people coming after him then? Probably Okay. All right. And what kind of gambling is he into? Is he into like the stuff where like, you don't you know, he's not playing slots and winning $2 million. He's doing too much. You got someone showing up at your house and being like, hey, Speaker 2 yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, he wasn't gambling. He was fixing presidential races. Yeah. Last you got Unknown Speaker a guy showed up my grenade. You know? Speaker 2 And so, so this is this going on there or whatever, you know, certainly 1901, he dies. Good. And so she, she now takes over what's left of his fortune and the company. And so she starts running this newspaper company, and doesn't really know what she's doing makes a few bad hires, makes a few bad fires. The paper is struggling a little bit. And so in 1903, she decided to sell it sells it for $350,000, which is equivalent today about $8 million dollars. Okay, so a pretty sizable sail. And then just kind of floats for a few years doesn't really do anything, just kind of surviving off of the money. And then in 1907, there's the great financial panic. So there's a run on the banks, everyone's pulling their money out. It looked like there was going to be a major crash. And so she goes and she empties one of our bank accounts, which had a million dollars and it takes a million dollars cash, puts it in a net bag, the security guard described her as being very frantic, as probably most of the people were during the bank run. She took out a million dollars cash. And then she checked into this hotel and never left. And that's the story she gave the the people at the hotel that were examining the room and so the room was a mess. It was in squalor. How much Speaker 1 is is not rent, how much is the fee? Everything. I Speaker 2 mean, this is the early 1900s. So like, I got to think less than $10 at night. She's telling this story and they think oh, this lady is just you know, none of this is true. Sure, because because it looks like an episode of Hoarders. There's trash all over this room. The sheets are dirty. She's it doesn't look like she's bathed in weeks, except her faces weirdly immaculate. They asked her about it and they're like, You look like you haven't aged like, you're how old are you? She's like 93. They're like, what's your skin routine? And she actually said, she literally said she said, Oh, a couple of weeks a couple times a week. I'll ask for some Vaseline. And I just rub it into my face for a couple hours a day. Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, no, every week, there's this new invention called Dr. Pepper. And I just sit over the tub and I douse myself and I waterboard myself with Dr. Pepper. To the point where it almost reminds me one that life is fragile. And to my skin feels flawless. Unknown Speaker So you're going to take a bath or Unknown Speaker the doctor said baby Unknown Speaker I feel great. Unknown Speaker So the room is disgusting. Speaker 1 And her boyfriend just got dead sister in their two boxes everywhere. her dead sister was on the floor and no one's picked her up yet. Speaker 2 Yeah. Well that's that's an interesting sidebar as well. As Unknown Speaker they said Don't touch her. Speaker 2 She said she kept talking about the three of us in that room. It was only two Unknown Speaker Oh no. So her daughter, what do you think about that? Unknown Speaker Wow, really good insight, Chris. Speaker 2 So allegedly, her daughter was also staying in that room with them. She also checked in so it was her sister and her daughter that checked into this resist the stepchild. Yes. Okay. And in 1924 Her daughter passed away. And so her daughter got sick, went to the hospital died in the hospital. Okay. But as far as they know, they didn't leave the the other two were like, Yeah, you should go to the hospital. She died there. She never came back. And I'm just like, I guess she's dead. Why Unknown Speaker wouldn't they leave the room? Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know. And so there's a lot of questions here. Everybody, everybody that's working at the hotel is like this is a strange story. Okay, don't believe it for a second. This lady's lost her mind. None of this. She crawled in the window. Yeah, sure. And so they take her downstairs, they give her one of those blankets or something and she's hanging out by the fire truck. Unknown Speaker At the end of every good movie. Yeah. Speaker 2 And they're looking through her room. And in the shoebox. They find $480,000 in cash. And they said, Unknown Speaker Hold on, wait. Hold on. Speaker 2 So they start looking a little closer, and then they start finding In the cracker boxes, $10,000 bills, $5,000 bills, a gold necklaces dollar that like 40,000 hours in that day's currency, like just so much money everywhere. The place literally overflowing with cash and expensive clothes and jewelry and things like that, but it's like hidden within trash. It's all covered in Vaseline. They've tried to count the bills within just slip it out Unknown Speaker I think there's 400 1000 Here, I don't know, Speaker 2 kick out. And so they've quickly say, hey, we need to take you down to a different room. We're gonna put you in a different room. We're gonna have some doctors take care of you. You're gonna say here, she couldn't understand it. She was frustrated. She thought, you know, steal my money. Yeah. And so but they take her down there. And Speaker 1 typical 93 year old. Is that what you're about to say? I was gonna say, typical 93 year old Speaker 2 say the typical experience of when like, someone gets put into a home to do this. Fine. And but everyone's like, No, we need to. We need to help you. And she's like, No, I'm fine. I can Unknown Speaker find like your your fried chicken is not the Speaker 2 same. Yeah. And she's like, she's like, call a job. Ask a job and like, Speaker 1 like, he's kidding. He's not answering. He's Unknown Speaker he was in the hotel with me for 10 years. Speaker 1 Oh, really? Okay. That's good to know. Yeah. Speaker 2 Um, and so, one night one of the like, while she's asleep. There's a nurse like tending to her and notice like a weird lump on the side of her dress, and reaches in there and finds a bag with a million dollars cash under her dress dress hidden under a dress. She's got a Unknown Speaker fanny pack. Yeah. Unknown Speaker She's got a supreme fanny pack. Unknown Speaker This is this is on top of all the money Speaker 2 of this is on top of all the money up there. And it should be noted that this laser drug lord, this is before the 19 and 1967. Speaker 1 Since 1931. Yeah, so this is like depression. Speaker 2 Yeah, this is the depression. This is the he has $1.4 million ours catchy stuff in this hotel room. But yeah, it should be noted that she was able to hold a lot more because in 1969 in 1969, Nixon, as part of the war on drugs, got rid of a bunch of large denomination bills. So back then they had $1,000 bills. What $5,000 bills? $10,000 bills. No, yeah. But as part of the war on drugs, because it was that guy, it was really easy. I think that's Polk. If I remember Chase, JP Morgan. Unknown Speaker That's what I'm saying. Who is that guy? Speaker 2 I don't know. I thought it was Paul who was on the talk. That's Madison. That's Madison. I swear to one of them's Paul, that's Cleveland. Customer one of those poke. Unknown Speaker Well, you're dumb. Maybe Unknown Speaker this is JP Morgan Speaker 1 Chase. Who Yeah, Google, who was who's on the on? Speaker 2 But they stopped No way. They stopped them because because they were well, because they were easier to launder money with. Unknown Speaker Well, yeah, it was huge amounts of money. Speaker 2 Okay, so Salmon P Chase is his name. He's the most accomplished politician our nation's history that never served as a president. So he was a governor from Ohio. And he was he was the second Yeah. Unknown Speaker His name is saving like Unknown Speaker the fish salmon Chase. Yes, exactly. Cool. Cool. Cool. Unknown Speaker This is my son tilapia. And he was Speaker 2 he actually served as secretary of the treasury of Abe Lincoln and became Chief Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. So he did a lot. But he was on the $10,000 bill. Speaker 1 Wow. Who's the other guys? 5000 That's what goes to show you know, at the end of the day, doesn't matter how much you do if you're not President. No one will care. It really and that's why it means so much to that guy. That's why he had to do it. You don't talk about Speaker 2 Yeah, I know you're talking about hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it, and you're enjoying chillin, you've been around for a little bit, I want to invite you to be a part of our Patreon. We have a Patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our hosts and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out we get to know each other we eat pizza. It's a blast, along with a bunch of other benefits like merch discounts message on your birthday like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, like That guy here just kicked out. We love you. Thanks for checking out. Dylan podcast. How do you how do they get it though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh dang, we're doing Yeah, Speaker 1 they can text Tillandsia 66866 Thanks, Jared Speaker 2 Alexander Hamilton was the 1,000th. Who which it looks like it says Cleveland in the picture, but the this says Yeah. Oh, wait. Unknown Speaker Okay. Alexander Hamilton still want to bill? Speaker 2 Oh, okay. And so later they replaced it with Grover Cleveland. On the $1,000. Okay. $5,000 had James Madison. Anyways, so they had higher denomination bills. The 5000 Unknown Speaker No, $5 bill. Unknown Speaker Abe Lincoln, right? No. George W. George. Unknown Speaker Yeah, the five is Abe Lincoln. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Who do you think? Speaker 1 I don't know. Who's on the tin? Can't I can't remember a single bill right now. Unknown Speaker Here's a $5. Bill. Speaker 1 Washington. Right. And then there's apparently Lincoln. And then there's Speaker 2 the 10 is Hamilton Hamilton. Yeah. It's also Hamilton. And then the so they moved on. They moved on from the 5000 to the 10. The tornadoes mass. Unknown Speaker I can picture him right now. Jackson. Speaker 2 I think you're right. No, it's Jefferson. Jackson is Jackson Jackson. Yeah. But anyways, this is how she was able to have this much cash liberally on her person because there were $10,000 bills. She had a million dollars with the 10th. One is Harriet Tubman on. She was Unknown Speaker Wasn't she like to save Speaker 2 money? I want to say she was. Yeah, it was a $20. Bill. Unknown Speaker Were those are those in circulation yet? Speaker 2 I don't think so. Okay. Anyway, yeah. So that's how she was able to have so much cash on her because she had $1,000 bills. Okay, and so $1,000,000.10 $1,000 bills. It's different ballgame. Unknown Speaker How many? Is it, Tim? Speaker 2 I don't know, like 24 years. Would you just say, like, 24 years? I think 97. Okay. So everyone's starting to say, oh, maybe there's something to this story. So this hits the news. Sure. And her family starts coming out of the woodwork. Everyone's like, Oh, grandma. Oh, yeah. It was 380 people laid claim like got lawyers laid claim and said, hey, yeah, we're heirs to her fortune. We should take over and yeah, be control of that. And so she goes Speaker 1 over my dead body. She was all fight all of you. She did they set it up? One on one. Okay, five 300 People Speaker 2 70 line on knockout. She Speaker 1 fought 293 of them. You know talking about? Yeah. Because I mean, 86 they watched? Yeah. 86 Slowly it was like it was like, it was like the Pharisees were Jesus. Like, why don't you throw a stone? And they one by one. They all they watched this lady? Kick 292 And they were like, yeah, Unknown Speaker how much money is it again? I don't know. Speaker 1 Doesn't seem super worth it. I don't know. So a bunch of people are trying to claim her money now. Yeah, so before she's even gone. Yeah, she's still here. And that was such a sad thing. Reagan's grandma does this Reagan's grandma's 99 years old. Every time we go to the house every for i We've been together for five and a half years. Yeah. And since the day I've met this lady, every time we're there. Every time we're on the phone is well, this is my last Christmas. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. You know, at this point, we're like, no, it's probably not. Yeah, you're gonna be hereafter. I don't know, good beat, Speaker 2 but probably not. And so this massive legal battle begins of people trying to lay claim her money. Sure. The two largest groups that actually have like a stake in that are the woods, her husband's family and her birth family, the Mayfield's, who were the sugar cane farmers. And so there's a big legal battle that lasts a couple of years. And in the court throughout the course of this legal battle, she's her house starts to really decline. Yeah, a lot of people think that it was close relative. Yeah, the stress of the situation because obviously there's the legal battle over money, but she also was removed from her home. Her sister's gone. Her sister died. She was removed from what was home to her for 24 years. And they moved her to a room the floor below directly below the room directly below her so she likes hunger when she could hear her room. Unknown Speaker She still talks to Speaker 1 her room was speaking to her. No, I meant like she could hear like footsteps in her room. Unknown Speaker The room told me you guys weren't being cut into it. Speaker 1 Yeah, that's where I feel like well, my neighbors upstairs slam a door and I was like, I never did that. Speaker 2 Door. I never did that. Yeah, cuz you used to live there. Yeah, yeah, the room still speaks to you does. And it doesn't like the new people and new people. Speaker 1 They told me does it like they told me I told him I saw him in the parking lot as a hey, man, you know, I live in the old I live upstairs for you. And I said, Yeah, I used to live there. If you get any packages, let me know also Speaker 1 the room doesn't like you. Excuse me What? The room doesn't like you? Which room? Unknown Speaker What are you talking about? Speaker 1 Also, if you see a lady with a limp, walk around, where you let me know. I'm a tackler. It's all Unknown Speaker new meaning to step on her. Unknown Speaker She's got a boot on her leg. I'm gonna I'm gonna stop themselves. I'm gonna stop on your toe. Speaker 2 So this legal battle is going on. And she ends up in the middle of the lean, legal battle dying of pneumonia a year after they found her. And so then now the legal battle has legs because now it's like, okay, well, someone's giving somebody money. Yeah. They ended up digging into her finances, they find $20 million tied to her hole. And so these were in other banks that she had not liquidated. And that's in that day's money. Yeah. So just bonkers cash. And so there's a legal battle begins. And attorneys for the state are like, okay, we're taking this over, we're gonna start to investigate and see if we figure out what's going on here. Sure. So they they start digging. And this is the story that they unravel. Idlewood was born in New Orleans in the 18. What did I say? 30s. Sure, her birthday was was correct. She wasn't lying about that. But she was not born to money. She was born into poverty. Her parents were immigrants. And they had nothing going up. And she hated it. She hated her childhood. She hated being poor, and she wanted to change it. So one day in New Orleans, she went and she saw a palm reader to find out, is it worth it? So she goes the palm Unknown Speaker of my life for what? What do you mean? Oh, I'm here to find out if it's worth if what's worth it going on? Continuing? Anything at all, Unknown Speaker the palm readers said there's a really good room and your future. Unknown Speaker No, that room likes you. Speaker 2 So the palm reader reads her palms and says, Oh, you're a very lucky girl. You're gonna meet a wealthy man. And your life's gonna change for the better. And so she waits a couple years for this Unknown Speaker crystal lady told Reagan that's how you know it's crap. Unknown Speaker And so, so she waits a couple years, she's Speaker 1 met a few rich people, but I had decided to interview. Yeah, I became her like, No, you can't date that guy. Speaker 2 You have to date me. But you're not rich. And Unknown Speaker she didn't want to for a while. Is this scenario? No, you have to date me Speaker 2 have to date me anyway. So so she waits a couple of years. And no Richmond come into her life? Yes. Why would they? She's in New Orleans living in poverty. Like, where? What circle is she just going to run into a rich guy. So she starts to realize that and she says I need to take matters into my own hands. And so she packs up and she moves to New York. And she says, I'm going to read meet a rich man. When she gets to New York and again realizes the same scenario. She's like, there's no way I'm gonna just run into a rich dude. And so she starts buying those magazines and shopping around for a guy do that. Yeah. And she finds Benjamin and gets into this affair with him and they actually do get married. And they had that child, remember? Remember, you remember? Well, they did it. That child was not their child. That child was her sister. And she convinced her to move in with them and tell everyone that that was their kid that they had out of wedlock and legally change your last name. So that way they can move it. How much younger is her sister? It was like a younger younger sister. And so but it was young enough to where it like made sense in that relationship. Okay, so this this girl probably moved up there like when she was, I don't know, five or six. But they had been in their affair for like 10 years and so Robin like believed that Oh, sure. You guys had that? Oh, you guys had that kid? Yeah. But it was it was her sister. And they literally Speaker 1 changed his name. It wasn't even her sister. Oh, sister wasn't even five or six verses was 36 years old. She's just so small. She convinced the state of New York that she was a child. She got put in the foster system. And then adopted went through a whole thing put her through the fire like we got to put her foster has to be believable. We got to be heroes. When people say what have you done? I was adopted from foster care. What have you done? Speaker 2 That's an important detail. Her name wasn't even either. What it was Elena wash Walsh. Ellen Walsh. Yeah, she changed her name to Ida live when she got to New York. Where she married Benjamin would Yeah, she made sorry. She changed her name to Ida Mayfield. Cuz she she was Alan Watts. She just picked a rich family from New Orleans and said that was my family. And so when the Mayfield's gotten the legal battle, they just found out they're like, oh, this they always have to be like, that's our inheritance. Yeah, that's us. Unknown Speaker I guess now is a Walsh's are like Oh, hold on, hold on. Speaker 2 Let's get a throw our hat in the ring. Yeah. Oh, Unknown Speaker I would love to find out I've got like a rich relative somewhere Speaker 2 and then everything else was totally true. Like they had that socialite life and they went and the attorneys tracked down a lot of the people that she talked about having relationships with everybody including a bleak it was like oh, yeah, she was great. Speaker 1 Hey, he's like, you know my memories kind of foggy. I'm trying to think about it, but there's just my memory. Unknown Speaker Matt's got a lot of holes in there right now. My memory. My memory is so foggy. Remember, he's got a lot of holes. Unknown Speaker Sometimes if I put myself in like a movie theater, I can see Unknown Speaker I can picture I can picture. Unknown Speaker It. Yeah, we spent like 10 years in that hotel room. Yeah. Speaker 2 Pretty foggy. But it's there now. But she was she was this important socialite figure in the New York subculture of the time. And everybody knew who she was. And she was very significant in the late 1800s. Yeah. Up until her husband died. And she took over the newspaper and then disappeared for 24 years. No one is exactly sure why she got the hotel room. What the leading theory is that she saw what was happening to the economy. And she was a very frugal person who was scared of losing her money. And she said, I'm going to hide. And so she took all the money she could so she could have it in her personal Speaker 1 look out. Firstly, people are, you know, people will? For no reason. I mean, yeah, they're crazy. Unknown Speaker I mean, the second everyone found out she had a lot of Unknown Speaker people trying to take the money. Yeah. So she hid Speaker 2 herself away in this hotel room, and she called up her other sister was like, hey, change your name. You're moving into this hotel room with me. And they literally they didn't leave. They stayed in that hotel room for 24 years. No one saw them. Even the hotel like didn't recognize most of the people in the hotel didn't recognize them. They outlasted most of the people in the employees. Yeah. And then she died. And, and so the attorneys were like, Okay, well, who is the rightful heir to her fortune then? And so they went to she had no living relatives in her immediate family. Okay, they concluded that they don't think the woods were rightful heirs to her. Because she married him. Yeah. And so. So what they decided was they would give it to the heirs of her grandparents of her like paternal grandparents in Ireland. Oh, and so all of them just get a letter. And they dispersed it across 20 families, so 20 Different families that were going to disability in Dallas never knew about her. Just got a million dollars in the mail. Speaker 1 Again, I don't wish anyone's demise. Unless I have a rich relative. I don't know that I hope they perish. Can you imagine? Like, oh, hey, you're I can't imagine it's all right. All I can do is imagine a dream and hope. You know, Speaker 2 like, you get a You get a letter from the US government that says we regret to inform you that your great aunt Ida has passed away after a hotel for 24 years. Anyways, here's a million of her dollars. That's what Speaker 1 I wish ancestry.com had is a how wealthy was this relative? You know, I would love to know on the 23andme chart where we're at. I'd love to know if we look up ancestry.com I would love to know which generations squandered our wealth. Unknown Speaker Yeah, which one of you? Which one of you suckers Speaker 1 we came from? Like, this was in Queens, and then there was freaking Bart and Bart Brut drove us into the ground. He had an idea for a liquid ice cream and you're like, dude, just sweet milk. You're doing your part. sweet milk. Speaker 2 Good, though. It was good. He just didn't mark it right. Should have called the sweet milk. That was That was weird. Everybody's like, I don't want I don't want part sweet milk getting parts. parts, parts sweet milk. And then he had savory flavors called Bart's broth. Come on, man. On the mind, I did the thing. I pulled my ear buds. I pulled my earbuds out. And so I couldn't hear how I couldn't hear how far away I was. Unknown Speaker Oh, I knew you chipped your tooth. Shut up. But half of your friends. Speaker 2 I'm not gonna believe you on that right now. I see through you. You're trying to pull some Mindfreak on me. It's not going to work. Unknown Speaker We're about this. Sorry. Well, Speaker 2 anyways, that's either wood. Oh, that's the end. That's the end. Yeah, that's the end of the story. She she died. A lot of people got her money. And her story was pretty true. mostly true is true. Everything that she told was true. Except for the part she lied about because she's Speaker 1 like, you find her in that last year. Life is so annoying. But like you find her right. And she tells you the whole story. And at the end of it if I'm her I go Why would I have $20 million. And like, lie to you right now? I haven't limited this look at where I live. Speaker 2 Yeah, look at it. Why would I lie? Why would I Why would I say I had all that but I mean that's that's the thing. Like people would be like I Okay, you got $20 million. Anybody would look at that and say why are you lying to me? Okay. But she's just tell the truth. And it's she she said on the world. One of the things she said on the way out of the hotel or on the way out of the bank the day she got on her way out on the way out of the bank the day she got her hotel was was I'm tired of it. That's what she said that she said a bag of a million dollars. She said I'm tired of it. I'm sick of this. And then she just stayed in a hotel room for 24 years. Wow wishes. Wow. So the lesson Speaker 1 What do you think they did up there? Because it was 90 they didn't there wasn't like TV there was no video games there's rub Vaseline Unknown Speaker and there was really nothing to Unknown Speaker do count on their money. Yeah. Speaker 2 Eat crackers. They said that they said that they set up like a little kitchenette in their bathroom that they were cooking food on. Unknown Speaker Which Why would you do this? Speaker 2 I don't understand it. I don't understand. It's crazy. Man, but survived. survived the great panic of 1907. And I mean kind of the Great Depression she died in the middle of it. That's the crazy part is that those families in Ireland in the middle the Great Depression, just crazy. Yeah. Surplus man wild stuff. So that's a story about a wood. So yeah, do your ancestry start looking for someone rich in your air ancestry and lock them in a hotel room? That's the list. From this week's episode rich person. Your rich Unknown Speaker Hilton honors points. There's free breakfasts and check out is never Unknown Speaker Yeah, you're gonna be here for the rest of your life. You're Unknown Speaker gonna die in this room. Unknown Speaker Do they do that? But Unknown Speaker hey, the room likes you Speaker 2 like it? Can you? What's the cut off? If you're not at an extended stay? Like motel like if you're just had a normal mode Hotel? Is there a point where they're like, you've been here too long? Like, I feel like there's got to be a point like if you went to a Holiday Inn, maybe not a Holiday Inn but maybe like a Lowe's you went to a Lowe's Hotel. How long could you stay before they say sir? You've been here too long. Unknown Speaker I don't know. I tried that. I tried to stay at a Lowe's for a long time. And they kept asking, they're like how are you? Today here? I was like retirement. Oh please fiddle this off fine Speaker 3 things last night is a production of space Tim media produced by Christian Taylor audio is edited by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic design by Caleb Goldberg. Our hosts are Jaron Meyers and Tim stone please follow us on social media at tilam podcast that's ti LL IN podcast, leave a review, comment, subscribe, wherever you are. Thank you for listening to things on the last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


In the annals of extraordinary stories, one that stands out is that of Ida Wood, a millionaire woman who chose to live a unique and secluded life in a hotel room for an astounding 24 years. Ida Wood, a name that has intrigued many, holds a captivating tale of independence, mystery, and pursuing a life that defied societal norms. Let’s … Read More

Edward Bernays – Freud’s Nephew and the Reason You Eat Bacon

07-11-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, what's going on? Have you ever heard of happy July 4? Unknown Speaker That's Unknown Speaker like a week because the last one that was tricky. Unknown Speaker Okay, have I ever Unknown Speaker heard of why July 30? Happy July 13. Unknown Speaker How does that make sense? The other one came out on July 4. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I think it was the day like I think it was July 4 weekend. Oh, no, wait, this is July 13. July? No, July 11. Yeah. July 11. Okay, yeah, so the dates are wrong. Even more wrong. I was looking at the you know, whatever. Hey, man, Unknown Speaker we tried so hard to be organized. Speaker 2 You ever heard of Edward Bernays? Speaker 3 Bernays? Bernays? Is he half responsible for mayonnaise? Yeah, Speaker 4 he's responsible. He is definitely a part of mayonnaise. Yeah, Speaker 1 but his idea was a little different. He thought he roasted his mayonnaise. And like it was like a charcoal and he Unknown Speaker was roasting Speaker 4 What do you do with your mail brown mustard? dripping on you're gonna say out Unknown Speaker your nose. Unknown Speaker No, that's weird because mustard dripping out your nose right now. Speaker 3 I you know people will judge me for saying this. But nothing exfoliate those little feet. phalanges like a good old pack of mustard. That the store bought stuff. You gotta get a pack. Unknown Speaker Did you see a tweet yesterday about that? None. Unknown Speaker Theme Song. care what context that is. Unknown Speaker This scenario, Unknown Speaker Jim Paul Rudd is actually Ant Man. Speaker 5 Everything about him is a little dirty and gross. And is probably a lot of not everything. He Speaker 3 showers a lot. There was no need for us. And I tricked you. You silly idiot. Things I Learned last night Speaker 3 How does feet mustard? Go to Okay, Speaker 1 okay, so have you heard the news about this nun that they I guess dug up? And she hasn't aged at all. Speaker 3 So you're talking about that? Yeah, she hasn't aged at all. She's been dead for four years. And you were like, show me the toes. It's pretty funny. Speaker 2 I immediately was like, Oh, if you don't know the context of this, that's a really tweet about a four year dead. Speaker 3 Sea the toes on that GAO? And you know what, Tim? It's none of your business. I paid for the 89 your business Unknown Speaker nine out of here. Okay. Okay. Edward Bernays. Unknown Speaker Edward Bernays, Speaker 1 yes. Yes. Edward Bernays. He was he. He is the self proclaimed and other people proclaimed but originally so. Okay. Father of PR. Okay. And he is he is really he's, he's the reason Unknown Speaker 50s and 60s kind of guy are well, I Speaker 1 mean, yes, but also before them. I mean, he was also after then. Speaker 3 Yeah. He didn't just come into existence for like 10 years. But is that the time era that his like? Career was, I think, Speaker 1 I think his career. I mean, he was still in his career then. Okay. I think his career was probably the most notable. I mean, I guess then to he had a long career, a long career with we'll get into, but here's the reason why you eat bacon. He's the reason why women smoke cigarettes. He's the reason why Guatemala doesn't have a democracy. Unknown Speaker He's an influential person, Speaker 1 arguably one of the most infamous influential people of the 20th century. Speaker 3 So if you see some lady smoking at a stoplight, yell at her, you go hey, that's Edward Bernays fault. Thanks. Brene thank Bernays for your lung cancer. Edward Bernays brown what? Unknown Speaker Brene Brown Speaker 4 Oh, sorry. That's you're going for? It just hit me and I couldn't Speaker 1 not let it out. That's fine. Okay, so Edward Bernays he he okay. He was born in New York, his two parents from Vienna what's what's via Viennese VN, vn via net Speaker 3 Austria via nets. So sausages are they call everyone from Vienna is just sausages. Unknown Speaker Here's the thing about here's a sausage. Unknown Speaker Oh, I didn't know that you were sausage. Unknown Speaker I'm sausage. Sausage do Unknown Speaker I love our sausage heritage Unknown Speaker we are bold, saucy Unknown Speaker with a Vienna sausages, Speaker 1 he's his. He was twice Sigmund Freud's uncle or nephew, Sigmund Freud. He was twice his nephew. Let me explain. Please. His mom was Sigmund Freud sister. Okay. His dad was Sigmund Freud's wife's brother. Unknown Speaker Oh, so there was nothing Unknown Speaker bad there everything Speaker 3 to learn about Sigmund Freud explains everything else I knew about Sigmund Freud. Every new thing I learned, actually just add to it and makes it make more sense. You know, there's nothing that I go well, it's shocking came out of nowhere. It's all like, oh, you know what? That actually because, you know, that still doesn't make all the sense. But it makes more sense than I did before. Speaker 1 Yeah, that what this means is that there was a moment we're talking about Unknown Speaker family. Freud, you know, Unknown Speaker Eli Bernays is his dad was dad, his dad. Yeah, there was Speaker 1 a moment where Eli and Sigmund both were like, Hey, man. Can I marry your sister? And he's like, dude, me too. Okay, Speaker 3 so hold on. Okay. So. Okay. So, Eli, married Sigmund Freud sister. Yes. Sigmund Freud. Married Eli sister. Yes. Speaker 2 So it's like, I see your eyes tracking the family tree. And I gotta I gotta go. I gotta go. Yeah, so it's Speaker 3 like, if, okay. Okay, that makes sense. That's not super weird. Speaker 1 I mean, it's, it's weird, but it's not so not as weird as Speaker 3 the twins that married each other. It could be one of those people exist. Two sets of twins that married are married to each other. They didn't. I mean, two boys two twins. Twins. Twins, guys, twins. And then twins, gals. Twins, guys. They were like that. Yes. Yeah. So what's crazy is that their kids are genetically also twins. But it's Unknown Speaker the same though. But they're just not twins. Unknown Speaker What do you mean? I mean, no, no, no. Unknown Speaker It's the same thing. It's two sets of siblings. It's not though that married each other. Unknown Speaker No, it's not. I guess it's Speaker 1 one set of siblings. wait all night is the Speaker 3 right it is right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right, man. Unknown Speaker This is so complicated. Speaker 3 Do you think that they had a joint wedding that they were like, we're not gonna do this twice? Like, yeah, Speaker 1 we don't have to be. Well, yeah. I don't know. I don't know when they got married. I couldn't tell you. But Speaker 3 who got married first? Because one of them married their sister in law. Here we go. Speaker 1 Let's find out. So Sigmund Freud got married on are in 1886. Okay, no exact date here. Let's see his dad. She got married to him with a Peter doesn't say. Speaker 4 We'll assume after. Well, yeah, it just Yeah. It makes it feel a little better Speaker 3 if it's what year was Edward born? Edward? The person we're talking about, right? Speaker 1 Yes, yes. He was born at 91. Speaker 3 So around the same time, they likely had a joint big old family gathering, you know? Yeah. Yikes. They're like, listen, I know you guys are getting married. You guys are dating. How serious is this? Can we just want to just wrap this up? What is here? Speaker 1 Yeah, we could do we could do your wedding now too. And then Speaker 3 I hope that happens in mind when we do our because we haven't. Well, by the time you listen to this. Hopefully we're still married. Yeah, it happens. Hopefully it works. What would have happened? Hopefully we're still married. Yeah. And a half fell apart. Yeah. Whatever time but anyway, maybe maybe when we go to get married. We'll also try to get are just going to peer pressure your friends into getting married at your wedding? Yes. Okay, is that not seeing the most on brand thing to do? Okay, so siblings, married siblings, siblings, Speaker 1 siblings. And obviously, being a nephew of Speaker 3 can't believe you weren't more mind blown about the twins as well. I'm a little upset. Unknown Speaker I've heard of this. And also it's the same concept Unknown Speaker except for it's not because they're twins, and that's way weirder. Speaker 1 It is weirder. Yeah, it is weirder. But the thing that Unknown Speaker fascinates me is that genetically their kids Speaker 4 are twin. That is really interesting. Okay, what do you think that's, Unknown Speaker that's you know what? That's all I wanted him Do you think? Unknown Speaker Do you think Edward Unknown Speaker and his cousins were genetically? Unknown Speaker Siblings? Siblings? Speaker 1 Let's test it. Do you think do you think Edward and his cousins were genetically eels? Speaker 3 figured out where they came from inbreeding genetically. Fish, kinda. Yeah, it was an awkward day when she gave Unknown Speaker me so many of these I cut off my marriage. Tell me this where they came from. So she's just a ball of eels wrapped around. She's got a little eel crib that she puts him in. Unknown Speaker Got this big eel Ed Unknown Speaker my best friend don't marry your sister. Speaker 3 All right. It's so stupid. If you're new to our show, sorry. Well. So Edward was born in the late 1800s at 91. Speaker 1 Yes. And, and he he you know, he did his youth. Right. And then he graduated college. Sure. And he became a writer for The National nurserymen journal. Which I haven't been able to find much about their subject matter. Trees. Speaker 3 What trees? Think so? Yeah, like a tree nursery? Unknown Speaker Oh, no, I was thinking like, nursery rhymes. I Speaker 3 know. Yeah. That's stupid. That's because you're, that's because your IQ is so much lower than mine. But like Speaker 1 and so he worked that job for a little bit. Okay. And then he went on to a job at the review the medical review of reviews and dyadic and hygiene. Does that have 1912? Speaker 3 I'm so I'm so glad that Brandon got better. And where do you work at? Oh, yes, I work at the Medical Review of reviews at the dyadic dyadic and hygienic raising canes. carwash. Okay. Speaker 1 Um, this this does that took strong positions and favors of showers and strong positions against corsets. That was what they were known for. And Unknown Speaker got to be known for something Sure. Unknown Speaker They sway public opinion. Speaker 1 They are the reason why people take showers when stopped wearing corsets and everyone started showering more regularly was Speaker 3 on like an intentional like branding thing or the editor was just super passionate about Unknown Speaker this. He was like he's like Speaker 3 starving in the streets. People don't know what to do with this the world the redness is crumbling. And he's like, Yeah, this freakin corsets that these women are wearing. Yeah, if we Unknown Speaker can get the women out of the corsets and into the Speaker 3 women out of course sets in the shower and prayer back in the school. Day your priorities are just top notch brother. Speaker 1 So he was working for the these people influenced him as what I'm what I'm trying to say, okay, he learned a lot of things. He started showering more, he started showering a lot, like six times a day, it was a weird amount of showering. And so he became a writer for them learn a lot of things. And then guess what happened. Speaker 3 I don't know, the core set industry came back and was like, Get out of here honestly, Speaker 1 really close the war. And he was hired by the commissioner said he was hired by the Committee on Public Information or the CPI, which is the precursor to the CEA. And so, he was hired by them and they were like, Hey, remember, hey, if you are Speaker 3 listening, by the way CIA, FBI, cool jobs. I'm open. You know, like, I'll leave my career behind. Speaker 1 We haven't looking for brand partners, please. Yeah. If the Speaker 3 CIA's podcast advertising, Speaker 2 please let us know. But until a.com/see Unknown Speaker and use promo code Unknown Speaker stupid. Why would we work for the CIA? Oh, I'm Unknown Speaker saying if they want to Jason Bourne me I'll do it. Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Have you heard the conspiracy theories that like all those Jason Bourne type actors are actually CIA agents. Yeah, yeah. And that's their cover is that is that oh, everyone knows them as the agent. So they're like, Oh, he's doing agent looking thing. He's just practicing for a movie and then they can ship a Speaker 3 movie. So you're telling me, You're telling me you see Matt Damon somersault into the Tropical Smoothie Cafe. And he shoots three people and then jumps over out the back window. Yeah. And take it over on it and you go, he's practice. Oh, he's practicing. Keep your chops up. Dude. I saw you know, three people got murdered. My mom's dead now. But Matt Damon was practically giving it a shot. Yeah, dude. Practice. Well, the Unknown Speaker idea is that Speaker 1 you're hiding them in plain sight. And so everyone sees Matt Damon like, oh, he there's no way Matt Damon's the spy in this situation. And you're like, you're like we're pretty sure someone here is spying on Speaker 3 you or in government? Yeah. Matt Damon sits down across from you. And you're like, I'm totally safe because this is Matt Damon. Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, Matt Damon, can I have an autograph? And then he slips you some chlorophyll? Speaker 3 Do you know Paul Rudd is actually Ant Man none of here's the thing though. None of the other Marvel heroes are real. But Unknown Speaker for some reason, Speaker 2 I also I also real quick before we move on, I need to I need to make this very clear. Speaker 1 I just misspoke. I said chlorophyll. I know. It's chloroform. I said chlorophyll. You don't have to come at me. Sure. You don't have to come at me. Unknown Speaker Hey, that's fine. Late. That's fine. Danielle, I'm looking at you. You Unknown Speaker don't have to correct me and that's great. Speaker 3 It's just, you know, you know the difference because you're Unknown Speaker because my IQ Unknown Speaker spy. You're not a spy. Speaker 2 Gotta see a.gov/dylan.com.com/zone.gov.gov.org. Unknown Speaker So, I don't know how we got here. Speaker 1 So the CPI hires them. And they were like, hey, there is a war going on right now. And the entire world is a part of it. Sure. Here's the deal. The American people don't want to be a part of it. But he's one Yeah, but they're like here's the thing. Unknown Speaker We need them to be part of we Unknown Speaker want to be a part it's a war we want to be a part in your Speaker 3 spin World War One. Yeah, that's what they're asking. Yeah, they were Speaker 1 like can you get public opinion on our side? And so he started a propaganda campaign convincing people that the what was happening in the war was an actual issue that Americans needed to be concerned with and they needed to go fight to make sure Speaker 3 they're gonna go out there and we're gonna kill those on showered corsets were in world people. That's pretty close. Speaker 4 Basically, conducted this this big psyops campaign they're dirty Speaker 3 and unnaturally small tire Corp said, see what you look like as a real man. Unknown Speaker Show me how thick your ribs really are. Unknown Speaker Idea of all these soldiers wearing corsets just Unknown Speaker kept razor I can fight better? Unknown Speaker No, that's what they want us Unknown Speaker to do is to look bigger. Make makes us smaller targets. Stupid? Unknown Speaker How does he swear their houses for the public? Speaker 1 So he just convinced as he runs these series of propaganda campaigns, convincing everyone that what the access was doing was an actual threat to American life. Yes, and or was it? debatable, but did he convince everyone? Yes, we joined World War One. And then at the end of the war at the Paris Peace Conference. He had like a speech that he talked about where he talked about using psychological warfare to get Americans into the war. Speaker 3 And why did he give this speech? Because he was this? Why was he like, Unknown Speaker here's what we did. Speaker 3 At the end of this war that we've won, it's time you know, there was no need for us. And I tricked you, you silly idiot. Speaker 1 Well, no, he talked about he used the word propaganda and he talked about the influence that it had on the war and the ability for the allies to come out victorious in the war. Unknown Speaker Okay. Speaker 1 And is that look, I did it. Well, I think the reason he did it is because all the businesses in in the US were like, give me that guy's number. Sure. And he will, he did put a spin on it to say, Hey, this is not just a wartime thing, this can be used in peacetime. And he talked about Speaker 3 you know, what, if you're having trouble selling your products, Unknown Speaker propaganda propaganda Unknown Speaker now we just call it influencing. Well, he talks about, he talked about Speaker 1 when he was a writer for all of his cassettes, that there were these. What's the right word for it? Inappropriate plays that were trying to make it into Broadway. But the American people who were like kind of in charge of Broadway, like that's dirty, we don't want your dirty plays in our Broadway. Like Amsterdam place. Yeah. And he was a part of spinning public opinion and getting them to be like, hey, we want to watch your dirty place. Okay, Broadway was like, Okay, fine. You could bring your dirty plays here, too. And he's like that worked in peacetime and also got us into the war. I worked in wartime. It can see there's, there's precedents for this. Sure. And so he became a bit of a bit of a mogul, hiring just about every significant business. sure about the rest of the 20th century. I want to take a look at a couple of his most notable campaigns that he did, because they are interesting. I mentioned I mentioned bacon. He he did this campaign for the pork Unknown Speaker industry. Speaker 1 Not specifically for I mean, I guess, technically, for the pork industry there. It was a company that sold bacon, so they're like the last one is the pork industry. Okay, but he he was hired because they wanted obviously to sell more, more pork, but people at that time, we've talked about this in a recent episode. They didn't. They either ate just kind of leftovers from the day before. Or they ate just like coffee and nothing else for breakfast. They didn't eat they it was whatever. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you'd like this one, we've got a lot of great past episodes that you can check out. One of my recent favorites is Frank Abigaille, Jr. It's the dude from the movie cast me if you can, and it's the story about how he scammed everybody into really big scam. There's one scam that's like the scariest of scams I've ever heard someone scam. So check that one out. It's a fun one. I like it a lot. But thanks for being here. Speaker 1 What he did is he was like, he's like, we need to convince people that breakfast is something that's important that you need to do. Sure. And so what he did is he went and he just caught a bunch of doctors and was like, Hey, Unknown Speaker I know why. Okay, he's just like, I've heard sorry, that's what Coca Cola does. Unknown Speaker It was like, I've heard a call. Not in this. Speaker 3 Okay. But that's what they do. Whatever they pay doctors to say that their products are not as terrible for you as they are. Yeah. And they've been caught doing it over and over. Speaker 1 Here's, here's, here's what he did. Here's, it's it's a loophole. It's a loophole. Because what he did is he would say he went to the doctor, and he said, Hey, Doc, he said, we've got Speaker 3 how much bacon could a person eat before it's not good for them? Probably six slices every morning. Great. Doctors say six slices every morning is good for you. Is that? That's Dr. Phil right now, Unknown Speaker five slices of bacon is good for you. Unknown Speaker Is that when you said six? Unknown Speaker But that's closer? That's closer. Speaker 1 What he said is he went to doctors and was like, Hey, I've heard that when you sleep. Your body uses up all the energy that you had left. And so when you wake up, you need to replenish all of your energy. Is that true? And they were like, well, yeah, you are going to need to eat something, get some calories and you because you know, you don't have any you were fasting overnight. Okay, it's like, okay, so we need to break that fast. And we need to eat to replenish that and they're like, Yeah, and it's like, Would it be true then, that the more you eat, the more energy you're getting yourself to start off the day with a higher amount energy and they were like, yeah, and he was like, can you get? I don't know. 4500 other doctors to agree with you on that on a paper. And his doctor was like, Sure. And so the doctor went 4500 Can you Speaker 3 be at 4500 of your closest friends and peers to sign a paper for that? Small ask? Hey, I got a tiny favor. Speaker 1 Just a tiny favor. This is a really small thing I want. But if you do it Speaker 3 number one, I watched your dogs a couple of weeks ago while you're out of town. Yeah, great. This here's how you can pay me back. Unknown Speaker I was gonna go away weird Speaker 1 gonna say with 40 501 doctors who signed said, hey, it breakfast is before 201 Because he got a Unknown Speaker great 40 501 Speaker 1 Doctors say that you need to eat a big breakfast in the morning. And what's the best big breakfast? Oh, I don't know, maybe pancakes and bacon. And so you started this brighter breakfast campaign about how you don't have any any energy when you first wake up in the morning. And the reason for that is because you slept, you slept all your energy away. So eat a bunch of bacon, eat a bunch of pancakes and get all your energy back Unknown Speaker and smoke taste. Speaker 1 And here's here's the interesting thing about this. Not long after this. He was hired by Kellogg's and he started the breakfast as the most important meal of the day campaign, which in in a weird twist of fate. That campaign almost went against this because that campaign was like we're eating too heavy of breakfasts. So he was the reason why that campaign that other campaigns so he did Speaker 3 so what he did. Hey, breakfast is huge, yet. Yeah, here's the solution for how big breakfasts are. Here's a solution for how sugary breakfasts are. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the way to build a the only way to build like an inner like a huge enterprise like that is to keep creating problems and solutions. Speaker 1 Yeah, you keep creating these issues and solving them. Another one that very similar to this before we move on. He did um, Betty Crocker's like instinct cakes. Okay, Betty Crocker came to him and they were having a hard time selling their instant cakes. And at the time, the original recipe, it was literally just a powder in the water. You just mix the powder with the water, you got it. And he came to them. And he said, take the eggs out, but then put the eggs in. And they were like, a why? And he's like, here's the deal. He said you're trying to market this to women. This is like the 30s you're trying to market this to women. And he's like women he's also Sigmund Freud's nephew said women. They want to know that they're bringing life into something and so they can symbolically add eggs and bring life to their family. Unknown Speaker And if we can go back in time Unknown Speaker and it worked. That worked. I think Speaker 3 I think the reason it works is like bring life into your family Viator aches later Speaker 1 later on in the autobiography and 90s when he said what he said is he said I think the reason that word is because the powder and the water felt lazy and women wanted to feel like they were that's something yeah at the time he said it's because they want to provide the but which Speaker 3 is weird in retrospect I was thinking you want you want your kitchen to look like a mess so that your kids feel like you did something like Speaker 1 Oh, she made us this cake when really you just put some water on some powder and well I think that's Speaker 3 why some of these meal kits work Yeah, no yeah the frozen meals or whatever if you get the ingredients and like they teach you how to make all this stuff like you feel like you Speaker 1 made that meal like I did this not you me Unknown Speaker Yeah, and that way you get food poisoning it's your fault Unknown Speaker but anyways, uh so I told Unknown Speaker my doctor he could do that thing that he liked Unknown Speaker why people aren't going away from Alaska come right back what is your Unknown Speaker say though? Speaker 2 I said I told my doctor he can do that thing they like yeah didn't finish Unknown Speaker the thought and you Unknown Speaker okay you're you did Unknown Speaker we're here. Put a finger up and you go Speaker 3 we're if we can slow ball playback the look on my face. Whatever you talk, Unknown Speaker he could do that thing that he could do that thing that that was supposed to forget it. This scenario Unknown Speaker this is the series finale of our show. That's the last just roll the outro Unknown Speaker okay Unknown Speaker all right, keep going. Nice to Unknown Speaker see did Unknown Speaker I'm crying. Oh my god Unknown Speaker okay, so Unknown Speaker are you tired today? Speaker 2 Oh I'm so tired. You look like it. Yeah. I saw my daughter yesterday Okay, so the next client Speaker 1 is next client was Liggett and Myers Okay which one of the manufacturers of the Chesterfield cigarettes okay. And their competitor Lucky Strike was going out and hiring famous people. You might call them influencers. Yeah, to smoke their cigarettes everywhere. And it wasn't working great for like an admirer is because obviously, they're compassionate. You know, we can't get the famous people. And so. So what he did is he made this campaign that basically just made fun of Speaker 3 all famous people. Smoking was as big as it is. Yeah. Yeah, Unknown Speaker it was a huge deal. Speaker 3 I told you, they're no fun. I think Well, I think in 40 years, we'll look back at social media the way we look at smoking right now. Yeah. Where it's like, Yeah, crazy. Anyway, go ahead. And why don't we let people do that? So he's started making fun of of Speaker 1 so yeah, he found all the actors and actresses that they had smoking cigarettes, found the likes, and he just made them look stupid. Like he just put out articles where everyone was like, that's a dumb actor. Like and so wait while he swayed public opinion so then the actor Yeah, that that Speaker 3 you get a brand deal. And then this guy works for the other company and now he's gonna slander your name just to sell more cigarettes. What are you talking about? Speaker 1 Yeah, and so lucky strike saw this campaign come through. Speaker 3 So you're saying because I just did like freakin Eggo waffles on Instagram. Waffle Toaster Strudel. Oh, are gonna come after me? Yeah. Like Pillsbury. He's such a nerd over he's gonna be like, actually, here's something problematic from 2007 The Jared did Speaker 1 yeah. You don't want anything to you don't want to be like that guy. That kind of influence or you want to be like, you're Unknown Speaker gonna ruin people's careers. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 And so lucky strike saw that campaign. And they were like, call that guy. And they were like, Speaker 3 we like that. They were I like that. You did that? Very funny. You're Speaker 1 like, that was a great guys a great campaign. That was a great campaign. How much what's your rate? What's your raid? So they stole away from Liggett and Myers? Speaker 3 Right. The sprint guy? What he used to be the Verizon Speaker 4 urinal. And his his contract expired. And then he went to sprint. Yep. Smart. Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if they had exclusivity deals at the time. Probably not. But there probably was like, hey, like, I'm not gonna hire you. If you're gonna be like that. Like, if you're gonna be working for them. You're not gonna be working for me. Sure. You know? Unknown Speaker What year is all this? Speaker 1 This is 1927. Right. Okay, so we're in the 20s. Yeah. And so, Lucky Strike hires him. And lucky strikes. Like, here's the deal. They were like, look, some women smoke cigarettes, but very few most women. We need all women is wrong. So yeah, most women won't smoke cigarettes because it's seen as not dignified for the woman to smoke a cigarette. And so they're like, We need them to start smoking cigarettes. We've got a few issues with it. Speaker 3 He's like, have you tried adding eggs? You tried taking the ace? They want to bring life you know? Let them crack an egg over a crisp new pack Unknown Speaker I'm making cigarettes Speaker 3 it's gross. Put in your pocket all day. It's gross. Speaker 2 just wants to dried egg on the outside. Oh, gross. Yeah, so rambled. So he Unknown Speaker started, he lost a few campaigns. So the first one was he he started Speaker 3 what better way to start your day than with a good old cigarette Speaker 1 there at the time was not the most important Breath Of The Day. Unknown Speaker He was holding their breath when they wake up just for getting on and they go Speaker 1 so he did a couple of things here at the time. The there was beauty standards, but there wasn't a standard that like you had to be like super thin because remember, people just stopped wearing corsets. And that was the only way people were thin before right so there wasn't like a like control now there wasn't like a control your IQ thanks for listening, control your weight, like, standard, you know, people would would just pack Speaker 3 it in with the source and create the body mass index. He went and Speaker 1 he started this campaign that kind of influence people that oh hey, I need to lose weight. And he got he got doctors and everybody arguing that like being overweight was bad for you. And so he didn't Speaker 3 I was actually not overweight until I started eating all frickin bacon for breakfast. Speaker 1 And so he kind of created this beauty standard and then he went out and he created this ad campaign where he said reach for a lucky instead of a sweet and so basically saying Don't grab a cookie, don't grab that cake. Grab a lucky cigarette, because it's not going to make Speaker 3 cake. Or to keep cylinder I reach for lucky instead of a sweet Yeah. Speaker 1 And yeah, that's that's a that's an influencer that they got on the ad. Here's a more slightly more pointed version of this same campaign. Unknown Speaker So opposed to you five years from now? Speaker 1 Yeah, it's supposed to make you make you thin. If you're smoking cigarettes, you get thin. Here's the problem now. People weren't buying lucky branded cigarettes. They're buying every other brand of cigarettes. Because lucky. You'll notice from this picture has this bright green branded box. Sure, green at the time was out of style. And so it didn't match any women's clothing. It clashed with all the ones Hey, and so Bernays came back to lucky and said, hey, you need to reprint all your boxes because the green is clashing with women's style right now. And they said we've printed way too many of these we can't we can't reprint that many boxes. That's millions. And Speaker 3 sometimes they are I gotta get him on board for green greens like money. So he Speaker 1 went and he threw this Gala in New York. And he invited all the who's who Speaker 3 of pop culture. So I'm saying dude, I got the brain for this. Speaker 1 And he told them all the word green and he told him he scheduled an event right before the gala started and at the at the gala, like a high relevant about why green is the superior color this season. And like this whole thing and had like all the big newspapers present to write about how everybody was wearing green, and then launch this campaign with women smoking the cigarettes wearing green, and Lucky Strike blew up. It was the women's brand of cigarettes. They match and match the in color. He made green the color. And because it matched then it blew up. But he wasn't done yet. He wasn't done yet. With the with the there was a Easter Sunday parade in New York. And he said that he's uh, we need to put the cap on Easter Sunday. And so Speaker 3 Okay, yeah. Easter Sunday is not cool enough. Speaker 1 They had it they had as like, you know how, like, on the Thanksgiving, who's the Saint of Easter Unknown Speaker Easter Bunny. Buddy was smoking you Speaker 1 know, they had like, you know how like a when you go to the Thanksgiving Day Parade, and like they stop every so often. And they do like the marching band thing. Yeah, they had they had at the Easter Day Parade, Easter Sunday parade, they would stop and they would do a marching band thing, but it's a reenactment of Mary and Martha finding the finding. Unknown Speaker somewhere else. Speaker 2 They found the tomb and Jesus wasn't there. And they're like, oh my gosh, I need a lucky branded cigar. Speaker 3 You still found a way to make a mockery of the Bible. That's great. I love that for you, Tim. Wow, what they did was you signed the contract Unknown Speaker Oh, man, Unknown Speaker so he hired Unknown Speaker just a bunch of rich women. Unknown Speaker I'm so disappointed that you did that joke. Speaker 2 That was a good joke. That was a really funny joke. Oh my god. So Speaker 1 you got it. You got a joke that you're trying to make back you got to you gotta want to let me go for it. Speaker 2 No, you're gonna say what are you gonna say? I wouldn't gardener came up on them. And he he was like, I could use lucky breads. You guys gotta like, Speaker 3 you know, maybe it's because I view this text as a holy thing that speaks to me. But if you want to keep making jokes, I'm actually on the side of our YouTube comments. That guy comments as well. I think it's a good joke. Sure. Speaker 1 Okay. So he hired a bunch of rich women. And he said, Hey, wear green to the parade. And also smoke some cigarettes while you watch the parade. Sure. And all around them. All the wealthy women of status, are smoking cigarettes, and they're like, I want to smoke a cigarette. Okay, and took off. Women became smokers. This is Speaker 3 it's so interesting to me how marketing and influencing work and how they've always worked. Yeah, and why we do that. Yeah. But it's also interesting. So I'm actually trying to figure this out now because it's so influencing his dying right now. Yeah. Because it's, there's way too much of it. Like every other account you follow on social media is trying to sell you something now. And so this is just an inside for how my brain works. I'm trying to figure out how to do brand deals. In a way that's like the de influencing videos. Have you seen the there's a whole section on Tik Tok that's D influencing Now have you seen that I've heard of this be influencing is where he's like duetting or GE, or whoever it is. They're they're doing wedding a video. And they're showing you how much everything costs and be like, you don't need to spend this. You don't need this product. This product has nothing to your life does not make your life easier. This is an unnecessary cupholder. For your car. Yes. You have a cup holder? Yeah, yeah. Use the cup holder in your car. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, you don't need a sticky note pad in your car. You don't need a marker board right by your keyboard. You know, saying? Yeah, I hear you don't need counseling. So what you're trying to do is, I don't know what ads are running on our show right now. You don't need. Speaker 1 What you're trying to say is you're trying to take those people are trying to teach people that you don't need those Speaker 3 things. I'm trying. I'm straight up trying to figure out how to D influence you ended by? Speaker 1 Yeah. Have you seen that video? That dude on the airplane, who was using reverse psychology to get no one to sit next to everybody who was walking down the aisles of Southwest? Just like patent? Yeah, Speaker 3 I've done that before. Before. I honestly, at one time, there was a middle seat open between me and a guy in his 50s. Right. Yeah. And there's a pretty girl who gets on and I see him adjust his seat. You know? He's there. Yeah. And she's, she gets to our row. And he was Do you need help putting her back up here? I can get it. And she was like, oh, okay, thanks. Put it back over. Here's that middle seats open. And like made her sit next to us. And I'm like getting the window seat. And I'm just like, she's like, my age. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm looking straightforward. And my only thought is like, how do I get this girl out of this? Yeah, because he's trying to small talker the whole time. Yikes. So I put my headphones in and I let her suffer. So I just hit five guys. And I was like, you deserve a soup. You can't bring soup on a plane. Now she she was pretty good. She put her headphones in and shut it down. Yeah. And I was like, I was like, Okay, you're good. But I just got so panicked for her. Yeah, that Unknown Speaker is annoying. That is annoying. Yeah. So same concept. 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If not, then you can listen to this dumb little ad, because that's how we're gonna get money from you. We're gonna leech from you either way. Speaker 3 We're gonna get paid. We're in this for the cold hard cash baby. Unknown Speaker Anyway, here's an ad. Unknown Speaker How do they how do they get it though? Speaker 1 I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh, dang, we're doing Yeah, Speaker 6 they can text Tillandsia 66866 Thanks, Jared. Speaker 1 It's interesting. You brought up the DEA influencers. And what they're doing is because it it's hard to imagine the world being different than how it is for us because we're always being advertised to. And always being like, everything we watch has product placement in it. You see the Speaker 6 TV that's free. Once it's a free TV, look it up A free TV. Speaker 3 Who makes it? It's a free 55 inch TV. Give it to you for free. But the catch is, is that there's a separate screen at the bottom that just shows advertisements. Unknown Speaker Oh my gosh, are you seeing it? No. Speaker 3 Put up free advertising TV on Google or something. Because it's got a it's got a soundbar built in. And then right underneath the sound bar is a separate smaller screen that just shows advertisements. And that's how it pays for the TV. Speaker 1 like kinda like a like a NHL game, like the like was just like a ticker. Speaker 3 But bigger. Are you finding it now? Oh, here it is. There you go. Can you put it on the screen or something? Because the it's not a smart TV. It comes with like a fire stick or, you know, a smart device. But it's not like any kind of revolutionary TV it is. Speaker 1 I mean, it looks kind of kind of cool. Like, I'm not gonna lie like I'm like. Unknown Speaker Every time you turn the TV on, there's ads at the bottom now. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's what gas tapes are right. Unknown Speaker True. I mean, Speaker 1 no, like, I kind of like like this shows that scores and whether I'm okay with the key ad show me the key I like it's kind of cool to have the scores down there. And the weather. Like that's kind of neat. And for free, Unknown Speaker for free. Unknown Speaker I mean, it's kind of kind of cool. Speaker 3 Really, Tim, this capitalistic nightmare is cool to you. Speaker 1 Kinda, honestly, here's a better looking one. I like it. Is that is that bad? Speaker 3 I think so. Is that let me try to D influence you from this TV. Do it real quick. Do you realize that I'm I'm D influencing you into buying the TV. Unknown Speaker It's kind of cool. Now there's Unknown Speaker fantasy football scores down Unknown Speaker there. And you can scroll over and you can order now through TV. Speaker 1 That I mean, that's cool, though. Is it like you're sitting there you're watching the game. You're like, Man, I wish I knew the score of my fantasy football team. And also I wish I knew how to order some stuffed crust I'd pay nothing for it Speaker 3 so that's that's the idea. But you have like every time you turn your TV on every time you have an advertisement, I don't like that. Speaker 1 I mean, that's no different than now. It's just a smaller screen doing it. It's no different. What's the difference? is the same. Okay, I don't see I don't see a difference that and like if it's free. It doesn't have a webcam though. Which kind of stresses me out. What do you need the webcam for though? Speaker 3 Isn't that a little weird? Yeah. Is it gonna track your eyes and see, I found out Speaker 1 the other day was that I was reading for podcasting. But I was reading this report from this guy who's developing. It's kind of Spotify won't comment on this. But he says he's contracted from Spotify. He's developing an AI that will do host read ads for hosts a podcast. Yeah. And so then when we talked about that, what it'll do is it will use Spotify as data to when you're listening and be like, hey, Jaron, do are you looking for a great place to eat lunch at Kansas City? Try Hawaiian Bros and it's me talking to you as the podcast hosts but because spice says this says your name Yeah, because Spotify knows your name because you have a profile and it knows your location. So it tells you Kansas City and it's like subbing in those words, and if you're in Guatemala, it'll speak it'll speak in your negative language because it's a on your native language voice. Speaker 3 It will speak in your negative language that was so racist. That was so racist Have you wow we got we got them folks right here on the tiller podcast canceled this man Unknown Speaker speak to me in my negative language you Unknown Speaker Is that crazy though sad, Speaker 3 but small brain did if you Speaker 1 use Spotify Premium because it's an IT knows everything about you? And so it's like, it can Speaker 3 show that it is that his marketing tactics? Were really brilliant for the 20s and 30s. Yeah, it's crazy how people responded to those marketing tactics then it is scary how personalized it can become now Speaker 1 what's wild to me. Now I can kind of get it because like we have a preference for was wild to me. Is it back then, at that point in time like you have The wealthy that were buying all this stuff, sure, but the general public they only bought needs then buy wants. Right. And it was Bernays and his colleagues that shifted us into that mindset of, oh, I want that. So I need to buy it. I'm I'm not. Speaker 3 I have another I can satisfy my wants. Yeah, Speaker 1 I have another bottle of poison sauce in my fridge. I need to buy another one. Speaker 3 Buy a bottle of voice or the store. Oh, no. Speaker 1 So anyways, here's my favorite thing he never did, though. So in 1954, there was a company called the United Fruit Company, you know of them today Speaker 3 as the U FC. Speaker 4 I mean, that is a rebranded that is the Speaker 3 UFC. They made a hard pivot. Speaker 2 They were like, Okay, we've been making free forever. But what if now we fought from F word to F word Unknown Speaker from F months, 10 months baby. Speaker 1 Now you probably know of the UFC, they've rebranded as Chiquita, okay, they make bananas, they probably the majority of the bananas, you can do a mix on in your life, they Unknown Speaker bananas are not bananas come from a Speaker 3 banana camp. And so a Catana. Speaker 1 The thing about the United Fruit Company is they got started in 1999. And they were benefactors of a not so great government in Guatemala that was like, Yeah, you can just take money from who or take land from whoever you want. And enslave whoever you want, and do whatever you want with that land. So they gave the United Fruit Company 450,000 acres of land to pay people less than five cents a day. Sure to make fruit. Or harvest fruit, I guess. Plant fruit. Yeah. And that was how their Be fruitful and multiply. That was how their business was successful. They did this for a touch over the years. slave wages. Yes. And by getting land for Super free, well, in Unknown Speaker 1940, our watch ads, but yeah. We'll give you the land. But it goes to the Pizza Speaker 4 Hut. Pizza dad, like what the heck is a pie? I don't Speaker 3 know. Our advisor Edward told us to do it. So we're just gonna follow. Speaker 1 Follow is this lead? So the United Fruit company's been doing this for about 50 years and but in 1944. Guatemala was thrust into a revolution. Sure. And as a result of that revolution, democracy was born in Guatemala, and the new Democratic Republic of Guatemala was like, hey, the way we've done all this stuff in the past is not wrong. Cool. Yeah. And especially you the UFC, you are like the worst part of this country. And they were like, We're gonna buy you've never paid taxes here. But imagine Speaker 3 your oppressor is a fruit company. Like bats. You got to rebel on that. And imagine that history where your grandpa is telling you, we rebelled against the food company. Yeah, Unknown Speaker we we read a cartoon? The money is the bananas. Unknown Speaker Again, yeah. Speaker 1 So the President came back to them and was like, Hey, you guys need to pay taxes. Tell us what your land value is president of Guatemala. Yes, the new democratically elected president was like, You guys need to pay taxes. Now. You have. Now they have well over 500,000 acres of land. And it's like, tell us the value of your land. And they came back and they grossly undervalued their land because they were trying to cheat taxes like $1. Yeah. And so they were like, Okay, we're gonna buy back all your land for that value that you gave us. And so they bought back the vast majority of their land at $2.39 an acre, and the United Fruit Company was real upset about this American company. And they were like, Hey, this is not okay. So they hired Edward to Speaker 3 persuade just the president of Guatemala, get inside of his head, Unknown Speaker mess his brain up a little bit. Speaker 3 Hey, you know, we want our they're laid back. But if you could also, like convince them to smoke some cigarettes with some eggs on it. Speaker 2 Yeah, that would be great. Tell them that yogurt is really good for Speaker 3 Tell him we'll let him do what the doctor likes. And don't elaborate on what that means. Speaker 2 More information. that weird idea. Speaker 1 So the Edward Bernays goes and he starts doing this. This big campaign, okay about how evil it is for a nation to take land back from landholders no matter the reason. And he got this into the school system, he got this into the news. And all of a sudden, the American public is like, yeah, there's nothing worse you can do and in a democracy, then take land back from landowners. And then once he swayed, he turned that opinion. He started writing articles about all the Guatemalan government is taking land from an American owned business. They're doing this thing that we all know is evil, and is immoral. They're taking land from everybody. So now the American people are like, why would they do that? And he's like, it's cuz they're communists. They're not communists. They are it was a Democrat democracy. Yeah, it was Yeah. And and but he's like, he's like they're they're communists. They're trying to set up a commune they're, they're just stealing everyone's land away. And so then, they long story short, influence the United States government to form what was known as Operation PBS success. Unknown Speaker Was I don't know why. Unknown Speaker PBS success sounds like an after school show Speaker 2 PBS success, but S is still that PBS PBS success. PBS Unknown Speaker zags. So you're just stupid. What is the PBS stand for? Pretty Boy Unknown Speaker the boy Unknown Speaker that's a good call back. Unknown Speaker So they go in for pretty boys success. Sure. And Speaker 1 here's what's was Wow. Is they said, Okay, here's what we'll do. We'll go in. And we're going to train 480 rebels, okay to do this coup, and take over the Guatemalan government. Speaker 3 Again, let me ruin an entire democratic system to sell more bananas. Unknown Speaker And so the United States can I Speaker 3 bring up that actor's marriage. I understand. He was selling my competitors cigarettes. Speaker 2 Yeah. My my client wasn't selling enough cigarettes. Unknown Speaker And so, so deeply unethical. Speaker 1 So so the United States Government trains 480 rebels in military Speaker 3 and they said, Hey, go to the river. Drink from it Unknown Speaker since you like Bible jokes so much. Speaker 1 It's so they said 480 rebels and then they said, Here's your, here's your path, you're gonna go straight for the capital. You're gonna take over and they're gonna be like, we bout your your might. But the United State government knew they were like, these rebels suck at war. Soccer rubella. Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna lose big time. And so then they said, Hey, Eddie, we need your help with this. And so Eddie was like, I got you. So Eddie went before they did this invasion. And he did this huge propaganda campaign. And they put all these rebellion posters all over the country of Guatemala, of Guatemala. Advertising that there was this huge rebellion group forming that was underground that no one knew about, Speaker 3 or like a friggin chess club. Rebellion. Tuesdays at eight. We're on posters everywhere. Unknown Speaker Well, I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like, yeah, the Speaker 1 President is trying to take your land, take it back. Like those kinds of posters and branding it, like this rebellion group was really big, but there was no rebellion group. It was just these people, these 480 people that the US trained to send out. And they weren't spreading. They weren't growing. They weren't that big, just 408 people, how many people showed up? Guatemala, the Guatemalan people for a few months was like, this group is growing and growing and growing. I'm seeing their stuff everywhere. Sure. And then Eddie launched a radio station in town, where he was going to broadcast as like the local news thing. And so Speaker 3 the local news thing, what are you talking about? He Unknown Speaker became he became the Speaker 3 alright it's your morning drive to the rebellion. You know, next up, we've got that classic hits. What do you Speaker 1 want? It wasn't it wasn't for the rebellion. He started a few months. to head and became the media in Guatemala, he started this radio station, we Speaker 3 rush limbaugh his way into Guatemala. And everyone's like, Speaker 1 that's the guy we need to trust for news. And then the day of the Speaker 3 so he like, straight up went from marketing to like, propaganda property. Well, Speaker 2 he's not hosting this. But he's controlling this, if that makes sense. And so Unknown Speaker the day of the rebellion comes, and I'm just Unknown Speaker now realizing we're gonna get some pretty weird YouTube to use the rebels, Speaker 1 the rebels invade 480 of them, and they are doing awful, they're getting slaughtered, they don't stand a chance. But then, but the radio station is saying they are crushing them. The radio stations talking about how they're taking over the city, everyone needs to evacuate, everyone needs to get out. And the Guatemalan army surrenders. Because they hear all this news, they've been seeing all these posters. And now they see the rebels marching on them, even though they're clearly losing, like the rebels are clearly worse than them. They surrender. And then they take over the Guatemalan government, and the US puts in a new person that is their puppet leader that then allows Chiquita the UFC to have all this for bananas and continue to pay their workers five cents. And it was a massive success. And then Speaker 3 that's your favorite thing he's done. I just, I just want to rewind and make sure I heard that correctly. Why Unknown Speaker is my favorite Speaker 3 thing he did was overthrow the Guatemalan government. Oh, cool. Well, he wrote he overthrow Speaker 1 the overthrow of the government on this like false pretense it the fact that he pulled it off is what's crazy to me. Like it's crazy, because there was not. It was not through military might. It was not the fact that he used the United States military. There was, in theory, a threat that the US military was coming like that they were on the side of the rebels. But it was the fact that he just convinced everybody in Guatemala that the rebels were winning. And they believed it, which is bonkers to me. Like that's the only reason that that was successful kid. Sure. And so and the only reason yeah, Speaker 3 you get enough people to believe that the government stole something from them. Yeah. Doesn't matter if it's real. If you get enough people to believe it, they'll believe it. Scary times. Speaker 1 So he continued getting hired continue to getting massive contracts lived until the mid 90s. So he was like 103, when he died, GE wrote a bunch of books. But his first book was called propaganda that did not go well, because the name, the next one was public relations, which I'm pretty sure he used that name. He came up with the word public relations. And I did Speaker 3 a PR move here. And I want you to I posted about how expensive weddings are for couples who aren't in love. And it's just so that when people see how simple and basic our wedding is slash was at this point, they're not. They're not like, Oh, no Gerrans poor. So, you know, it was a PR move as a choice. You can be like, I chose a seat at a small wedding because they're really in love. Yeah, Unknown Speaker because they Yeah, they expect to last. Speaker 3 But we're going all out. We're doing the small town wedding thing where I'm wearing cowboy boots. And she's wearing a dress from Ross Dress for a camera. Yeah, you know, we're going all out and doing the little courthouse thing. So. Speaker 1 So he, here's the thing, though, Eddie was not. He is seen as the father of public relations. And he obviously had a lot of these big, big brands that he worked with and did these big right. But it wasn't the only one. But for some reason, he's the one that everyone remembers. And the Speaker 3 arguments because he got in the minds of the public. Well, it's because he Speaker 1 did it for himself. Yeah, he made his own brand. And he did the public relations things for himself. Everybody else in the industry hated him. They're like all he does is talk about himself. All he does is brag about himself. But he put himself in a spot where he was the authority on it. And it worked. He was the authority on it. And then he started getting a lot of pride Gary Vee. Exactly, same concept. The irony of it is, is a lot of what he did, like you said, questionable or Mikado questionable from a moral standpoint. And it's interesting, questionable, Unknown Speaker is it? Is it questionable? Unknown Speaker Is it just like the sea? You think it's debatable Speaker 3 is the the overthrow of the Guatemalan government for the force of propaganda and the use of radio waves and posters and monthslong tactics and it corresponds to the United States government just to sell more bananas at a slave wages price? You think that's like questionable? It's like debatable. You think it's like somebody can maybe like kind of throw around and maybe decide if it was at the corner, Speaker 1 and he was just, you know, that's what the client Well, the customer's always right. Here's what's interesting though, he Speaker 3 he, guys, Bible jokes are funny. He thinks that overthrowing governments is just a good old time, if it's what the game is to the Unknown Speaker boys, right? Speaker 1 He had this this this split in his head, because he Unknown Speaker would go do bananas. Unknown Speaker I just thought that he couldn't get any more banana splits because of the short so we Speaker 3 gotta split his mind was really like he wanted what? Because he wanted Speaker 2 to do what's right. Do I want to connect slit or do I want to overthrow Guatemala? I want to do what's Speaker 3 right but my sinful nature wants you to do what's wrong? That's the split that he's got no, yeah, the Unknown Speaker split of Speaker 1 the things. He was marketing, most of the time he was against, for example, cigarettes. He viciously opposed smoking and his wife smoked, and he hated it. And he constantly complained that she smoked, but he's the reason. And so he had this. He's like, don't you ever wear green? I hate the color. Unknown Speaker He he would do all Speaker 1 this stuff at work and sway public opinion, do his little public relations thing. But at home like that wasn't the same person that he was. And he was able to kind of separate himself from it through a lot of mental jujitsu like this quote, This is my favorite Edward Bernays, quote, Speaker 3 I'm sure it's gonna involve a lot of really bad stuff, folks. It says Speaker 1 you're not really lying. If the lies you tell her to counter other lies. Speaker 3 Yeah, he looks like an information terrorist. Yeah, here's another Speaker 1 picture of him where he looks like this picture of him looks like Walt Disney documentary. Yeah. What she probably did work with Disney, honestly. Speaker 3 So you're not really telling lies, if the lies are to counter otherwise, you're just stepping into the same unreality that somebody else created is basically what he's saying. Yeah, yeah. And so you're just like somebody else muddied the waters. I'm just putting my toes in there. Yeah, I'm just a little bit of mustard on him. Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. So yeah, everything about him is a little dirty and gross, and is probably a lot of the robot Unknown Speaker everything he showers a lot. Unknown Speaker He's a big shower guy. You're right. Speaker 1 But it's probably a big reason why our advertising landscape is so sketchy right now. And so weird. But at the end of the day, if it weren't for him, Unknown Speaker the Guatemala would be a happier place. If it weren't for him, Speaker 1 then your grandma probably never would have smoked. You probably want to have bananas. And you probably want to eat bacon. So should you be thankful Unknown Speaker there's a lot to take in there. Here's where I'm going to tell you that you don't need a fiddle off Oh. Speaker 5 Things are there last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts. Our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jared Meyers and Tim stone falls on your favorite social media platform at Taylan podcast is Ti ll en podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us, and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


In the media and public relations world, one name stands out as the trailblazer who transformed the field and influenced public opinion like no other – Edward Bernays. Known as the “Father of Public Relations,” Bernays revolutionized how we understand persuasive communication. This blog post explores this influential figure’s life, contributions, and enduring legacy. Early Life and Influences Edward Bernays, … Read More

Chickie Donohue – The Most Legendary Beer Run Ever

07-04-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man ah job hats sorry I thought you asked about my hat. Oh, sorry. Thank you too. What's up? Happy Fourth of July. Hey Happy Fourth of July. How do you celebrate by teaching you how do you celebrate Fourth of July 4 of July are we hanging on Fourth of July? Speaker 1 We could usually here's what happens usually we go do something with Breeze family. Okay. They they usually throw like a big thing in someone's backyard and if a bunch of fireworks Yeah, but that's not always on like actual Fourth of July. And so if it's not on an actual Fourth of July then allows him to Thomas's invite us out to the lake. Oh, nice. Yeah. Which you should come I think we invited you last year and you didn't come? Speaker 2 Yeah, all of our family was in for Fourth of July like so. Like we did that as like our usually go see family for Fourth of July. It seems like they're trying to make that the tradition. They're trying to make foliage because it's mid summer. And we did that because my mom's sister was a teacher. And so Thanksgiving and Christmas, you know, wholesale anyway, and everyone's you know, Minnesota, Ohio, the whole the whole fam comes down. So I don't know what's going to happen this Fourth of July. I guess I'll find out today. Our friend group debated on who in our group has the highest IQs and no one disagreed about who was number one. And Tim is pretty mad about that. Is that what you want? Is that what you want to say? That's what you want on the internet. Here's what I don't like sometimes the out of context close to the beginning are pretty things I learned last night Speaker 2 hey, man, so yeah, what's up? What are you gonna teach me? Speaker 1 Have you ever heard of John Chicky? Donohue? Speaker 2 Is Chicky. A nickname or is Chicky Donahue with a last name. Speaker 1 Donna. He was last name Chicky as a nickname, so we could Well honestly, I'm just gonna call it Chicky Chicky Donahue. Unknown Speaker No. Speaker 1 Let me ask you this. Well, actually, I'll just show you some pictures. Do you recognize this man? Unknown Speaker This is tricky. This guy was in my dream. Speaker 1 This is Chicky daata. You okay, he's standing on a boat. Listening. Pictures. Last Name Donahue. And you're probably pretty close. And the pictures in like the late 60s early 70s. He's wearing like a plaid. Yeah, I don't know what kind of little hat that is. Yeah, it's it's kind of like a cross between a chef's hat and taxi drivers hat. Speaker 2 Yeah, it's got a little poop on top. Yeah, it's a little goofy. He's got a shirt tucked in. And I'm glad this isn't the style anymore. Because honestly, you know, he doesn't got the body for it. He's got he's a thin guy. Speaker 1 But yeah, he's got a he's got a little flat tire there. Yeah, spare tire the spare tire tires by tires. The word Yeah. And then he's got a mustache, a very 70s mustache. Very 70s. There's Speaker 2 sort of strange Bob where all the weight goes to square roots, hips or something. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. To need Krabby Patties? Yeah. That's what his body looks like right now. Speaker 1 Which is I saw this on, on tick tock the other day. Speaker 2 Shame anybody? It's okay. I mean, look, look at you know, we've done how many of us 170 something and I've never commented on yours. You know, so I'm not trying to shame anybody. And I could have I could have brought up Speaker 1 here's, anyways, here's Chicky Donahue now, as an oldest Speaker 2 guy, I love him. I don't know where he is. He looks Yeah, he looks at your church. Like it looks like he looks like Santa. But he can't grow beard. You know, say like he's a Speaker 1 here's another picture of him as an old guy. Please don't tell him. It's like terrible. He kind of looks like the villain from holes in this one. Yeah, Speaker 2 but that actor who is? What's his name? I don't know. He's super cute. Like he's super cute. Banani though. Oh, well. That actor is I thought that you were like he looks at that and I was like, oh, because he's like these need like the he's a national treasure. Isn't he like Nick cages dad or something? Oh, National Treasure national Speaker 1 treasure. I thought you said he's a national national treasure. I was like why? Speaker 2 What's his name? dadgummit. Anyway, he doesn't now he does like videos where he's talking to the camera and he's just like, you know our country used to be great. Unknown Speaker I can see that foreign you're like Unknown Speaker wow, I can see that for the for the reptilian was. This guy was a prison guard. No, that Speaker 1 guy. Oh, the movie? Oh, yeah. Here's a picture of Tiki Donahue as an old man with Zac Efron. Unknown Speaker Going on. What is what are we talking about? Unknown Speaker What are we talking about? Speaker 1 Is overshadowing. Okay, so tricky Donohue I'll tell you about you know, Unknown Speaker speed to body shaming. Speaker 2 Did you see when Zac Efron's Netflix series came out and people were like, Oh, I love him with a dad bod. That's exactly what my response was. People were going crazy. Like, look, Google Zac Efron. We Unknown Speaker know I've seen the show. I watched the Google Zac Efron, Unknown Speaker dad. Speaker 1 He did not have a dad rod. Zac, Zac Efron, biceps. That's exactly what Unknown Speaker is that? Are you tired? Oh, man. What's the measurement on his biceps? Unknown Speaker I don't know. I could Google that. Oh, man. Speaker 2 So no, but as I'm saying is like he was he did not have a dad bod. Do you just Unknown Speaker have to? Do we need to go get a license to get this picture on screen? Speaker 2 No, I was trying to his there was a there anyway. He didn't have a dad bought in that Netflix series. He did not know. Yeah, he's still like he's still ripped. He's just not dehydrated. He's just not toned. Yeah, yeah. Which like, which What movie is sick is what it is. You're sick. You cannot live like that for more than like, a week and a half. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's an unhealthy state. Yes. Unknown Speaker So anyway, interesting. That's just what I Unknown Speaker thought DadBod Speaker 2 people were going crazy. Like I love his dad bod. And you're like, you have not met a dad. Speaker 1 Okay, so to get down to you. Okay. To get down to who was I don't like Speaker 2 how excited you are. Just want to put that out there right now. Not a fan of the excitement in your face. I'm trying to think of all this AQa from movies that have come out lately. Unknown Speaker I don't think you've heard of this. Unknown Speaker Okay. Chicky Chicky. Unknown Speaker Chicky Chicky DadBod. Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I do remember that specific. We watch. Unknown Speaker So, to get out of you, Speaker 2 dad, Bob allottee, or whatever it's called. Speaker 1 Dad, Bob Bob. Okay. Okay, so ticky tacky was a dude who lived in upper Manhattan. In the I mean, his whole life, but specifically in the early 60s, during the Vietnam War. And I don't know if you know a lot about history, but let me tell you, in case you didn't know. Unknown Speaker Oh, wait. Unknown Speaker Did I send you the trailer for this movie? Unknown Speaker I don't think so. Because Unknown Speaker I don't know the story. Speaker 1 This was a patron recommendation, but I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember who recommended it. And I have seen the trailer Speaker 2 All I know is that Zac Efron accidentally ends up in the middle of the Vietnam War, is that it's probably this one. That's what I'm saying. Probably. That's what I thought I sent it to you. And I was like, I'm not going to find out about this. But because any movie lately that just says based on true events, I just send it to you. And I go, I want to know what this tells me about it. It was good. And then we can love some of it was Zac Efron in it. That's why I say a Jurassic Park. I don't know what happened. But I was like, I want to know, they remade it. They. I mean, it's gotta Unknown Speaker be a true story. Speaker 2 It says based on true basis. So okay, go ahead with the story that okay, Speaker 1 chicken Donahue. I was live in the Vietnam War. And in case you didn't know, the Vietnam War was not popular. A lot of people protested. Unknown Speaker Yeah. What years were the Vietnam War? Listener? I know, but Speaker 1 just for the people who don't know, I think it was 58 to 64. Let me double check that. I thought it was after that. Let me double check. Let me double check. Make sure I'm right on that. Vietnam War was oh, whoa. 55 to 75. Speaker 2 Yeah, I was gonna say again, that was the entire 60s. Speaker 1 Shoot. Okay. Yeah, so 55 to 75. As a very unpopular war, a lot of people back at the States didn't think we should be there. And so that was protested pretty much the entire length of the war. And obviously, there was a split, some people thought that we should be some people thought that they shouldn't. Speaker 2 That was actually a really interesting was that in Christian domains book about the Vietnam War split, was expected to be well, it was interesting, remember the split of because the people who got sent off to war war because we didn't like do a huge draft for that there was there wasn't, but it wasn't like the scale that like World War was. And so the people who were good The draft people who can get out of drafts have money. Yeah, and have, you know, resources and lawyers and reasons to get out of drafts or whatever. And so it was predominantly blue collar kids going off to Vietnam. Yeah. And then the rich kids were at home protesting that. And so it became a consciousness division between all the rich kids are here protesting Well, my son's out fighting the stupid war. Yeah. You know. And so he became a clashing point for patriotism. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, it's just I remember reading that it Unknown Speaker was that that sounds like a point in our book that I don't remember. Speaker 2 Well, I think it's just the difference between maybe the way my brain processes information and the way that your brain process our friend, okay, terrible thing to us. And I think they haven't recovered. They might have done this on purpose. They might they're trying to drive a wedge between they might be what's frustrating is, oh, so here's the question, and we're just gonna put it out there. And by the time that you hear this, we'll probably have resolved this with professional testing, and counseling. But our friend group debated on who in our group has the highest IQs. And no one disagreed about who was number one. And Tim's pretty mad about that. What's frustrating Speaker 1 is we've had this conversation before. And I've always come out on number one who, the four of us conversation and, and then you come around, and all of a sudden, everyone, there's a new number one in town. And Speaker 2 I don't like it. When did you have this conversation? Was I included in the ranking during this conversation I included? Speaker 1 It was just it was another time we're hanging out and different time. It was another time we're hanging out and it came up. I think Bernie, again, was trying to drive a wedge between everyone or Unknown Speaker she does like to do that. That's the reason why I have a solid wife. It's like, Hey, what's your Unknown Speaker internal jealousy thing going on? Who Unknown Speaker all of you think is the dumbest here? Yeah, Unknown Speaker you're gonna have a really tough dynamic with your children. Unknown Speaker Yeah, we're gonna ask them that every month. Anyway. Unknown Speaker Stan, according if we just look Unknown Speaker at this past month, who here is the dumbest? Speaker 2 So anyway, so Vietnam war is going on? Speaker 1 Yes. What's going on? It's deeply unpopular, very unpopular. At one night in November, Speaker 2 because America did not have a recipe there. It was. We can get into Unknown Speaker reason. But it wasn't. Unknown Speaker Yeah, so Unknown Speaker it's November, we had Unknown Speaker a reason to be in Iraq as well, you know, and that's Speaker 1 it's November, they're in Manhattan. And Tiki is at a local bar. Sure. It was a bar called O'Malley's the doc Fiddler's doc Fiddler's club. Plus, Doc Fiddler's pub. Sure. And it's the bartender there who's running? who's manning the show? He's a former Marine. Everybody there calls him the colonel. Yeah, he was never a colonel. But everyone calls him that. I'd Speaker 2 love to enlist. Yeah, just to have a cool just to get called Sarge. You know, Unknown Speaker we can make that your Speaker 2 shower, just just just to get the you know, saying. Oh, Unknown Speaker I don't know wedding. A wedding? Let me rewind a little bit. I didn't put that. But on a wedding like RSVP. Unknown Speaker Oh, yeah. Did you present the doctor or whatever? No, I Speaker 1 put judge said it has a drop down menu for all your prefixes. Unknown Speaker Our judges Unknown Speaker you feel that value? What do they do? Unknown Speaker They just what's the line? Unknown Speaker They're glorified kidnappers. Speaker 2 The military? I guess both. Okay, so he's a colonel. He's the garden but he's not a colonel running the ship. Speaker 1 I think he was like the highest he ever got was private first class, but everyone called him a colonel. Is that Speaker 2 just like you just really want to bring this guy down? Like, is it relevant? The highest regard was private first class. I mean, he only got out of high school because the military was like, Yeah, you're graduated to come in with your Yeah, he was kind of dumb. His IQ pretty low. Yeah. Unknown Speaker He's number six. Speaker 2 He argued that he was near the top. We just got to see the guy carry water. Why are you bringing this guy? Speaker 1 He runs the bar. So he's running the bar and outside. This is Vietnam War era right outside is a protest protesting the war. That's all like the Colonel's in there. He's washing his glasses, and he's talking to Chicky. Donohue, and he's like, he's like, he's like, man, look at all these commies out here, protesting the war. Because like, he's like, he's like, someone's gonna do something about this. He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, our soldiers are out there. They're overseas. They're fighting for freedom. That's all I'm saying. And ain't nobody supporting them. Everyone's back here Speaker 2 doing this. And that was the resentment at the blue collar class. Exactly. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Speaker 1 And Chicky and this guy are in like a flywheel like rubbing each other up. Right? So yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's gonna do something for them. No, no, no, no, no. It's a tricky. Tricky, it's like, yeah, someone should buy him a beer. He's like, he's like, Speaker 2 oh, yeah, dude, who really gets the worst free beers all his friends outside. He's like, Yeah, we should buy a beers. You know, what we should also do? We should give them $100. And, and, and this is important, you know, and like, Let's pay off all their debt. And, you know, we just did all these nice things for them. Tell the hottest girl in the bar, go kiss him on the lips. Unknown Speaker He wasn't talking about the people outside. He was talking about the Speaker 2 guy down. Don't write that down. I usually don't like sometimes the out of context close to the beginning are pretty well. Speaker 1 Okay, though he wasn't talking about the people. He wasn't talking about the protesters. He was talking about soldiers. He said someone needs to fire soldiers a beer. So they know. Okay, there's people back home. Support them. Sure. And the carnal is like Yeah, yeah. Someone needs to go by those guys appear. They need to know. They need to understand that they're important everyone. And Tiki was like, yeah, and then the conversation you noticed kind of fizzled. The night goes on. Then Speaker 2 he goes, Hey, guys, your plane ticket to Vietnam. You're gonna go buy him some beers. He goes, Speaker 1 Oh, and it goes back and he goes back the next day. And he comes in there. And the mom of one of his childhood friends who's serving in Vietnam, is there at the bar. And the colonel is like, hey, Chucky, is like check it out. He's like, he's like, I got Tom's mom here. I told them, you're going out there. You're gonna visit him. You're gonna check on him. Make sure he's okay. And Chicky was like, what? Unknown Speaker Oh, no. Speaker 2 It's mom was like, would you take this blanket from his childhood, please? Speaker 1 Is a Chicky. Chicky was like, Yeah, I did say I was gonna do that. I'll find he was a trade merchant. And so he was a sailor. He sailed out to Vietnam to do deliveries. He'd been a couple times. And so he just was like, Yeah, have you been? I'm going to do that? No. No. My Twitter bio is Speaker 2 such a hard left turn indicative of a low IQ. That's me. I'm breaking the fourth wall. I Unknown Speaker said, whatever. The middle thing. Sorry, Speaker 2 trying to explain it to you. Go ahead. What is your Twitter? Speaker 1 My Twitter bio is just I've never been to Italy. And Unknown Speaker are you hoping to just one day change it? Speaker 1 No. I think it's a really funny thing. Like someone's like, Hey, tell me about yourself. I've never been Speaker 2 on my Facebook bio. This is real on my Facebook page. Because on Facebook pages, it's different. It's not prominent. Yeah, it doesn't matter. They changed it every once in a while and every once awhile my bio will pop up and I forgot that years ago. years ago I wrote knows someone who knows Nellies uncle who was one of the early Nelly Oh like the rapper Nelly. Yeah, as the good Nellie Bly Nelly is from St. Louis. Yeah. And so one of the Starbucks baristas was like, Yeah, I'm actually like, kind of friends was his uncle. And I was like, I know someone who knows now his uncle. Anyway, that's so dumb. Hey, thanks checking out this episode. If you liked this one. Or if you don't like this one. There's so many other ones. Alright, if you're halfway through this one, and you're like, I hate this. I want to go check out the Richmond TV vigilante. It's an episode we did a while ago. It's a little bit of a shorter one. But one morning in Richmond, Virginia. He's people wake up with just TVs on their front porch. No idea where they came from until one person check their ring doorbell footage and got a decent surprise. So Richmond TV vigilante is a great episode. If you're gonna go check that out later. But for now, back to this one Unknown Speaker so yeah, so tricky. I've Speaker 2 been to Italy. Have you know, dinner thing so, Speaker 1 so tiki, tiki is like oh, I'll do it. I'll do it because I don't know how I'm gonna do it. But I'll do it. Speaker 2 Just on like a I guess I'll go like How old is he at this point? Speaker 1 I mean, you saw him in that picture. I don't know how old he was at the time, I would guess. I don't know. 30 Unknown Speaker Okay. 30 years old. Unknown Speaker Yeah, probably. How old? Do you think that guy is? Speaker 2 35 And actually, I don't want to ages this guy. Speaker 1 This guy was He was born in 41. This happened in November of 67. So he was 26 Unknown Speaker this keeps happening. This has happened to me like six times this just Speaker 2 keeps happening to us where we go Frick do that. That. Unknown Speaker Do we? Good? We look fine. We look fine. Unknown Speaker Yeah, we don't look like I Speaker 2 was talking about doll hole or a hands on the hips. Speaker 1 That is one thing though. We have the mustache. Yeah, I thought about this a lot. I've thought about this a lot. Like a lot. The reason this looks old to us is because these people still dress like this. And that is that is weighted Speaker 2 to us. Do you think we're still gonna dress like this when we're like, I'm curious. Speaker 1 Like when we get old like is our style like there's skinny jeans gonna make people think of 75 year olds. Like look at that old Unknown Speaker dude and skinny jeans were women's pants. Speaker 1 is skinny jean. No one wears jeans anymore. Man and his his oily beard. Speaker 2 No one covers their knees anymore, man. Let those knees breathe. The science is clear. No one wears Unknown Speaker clothes anymore, man. Look at that old guy. And as Speaker 2 you joke, but that might that might be where our society goes. So he's 26 years old. This what I'm saying is not on a whim. But like, kind of it's almost a barbette honestly, yeah. Where it's just like, Hey, man. Well, and also you're pressured by Tom's mom. Speaker 1 The curtilage I love the Kirtle left that night. And he taught me over here. Let's remember this picture real quick. Yeah, the criminals the bartender. Yeah. Chicky is Speaker 2 a patron left called Tom's mom. Yeah. And he's like, You got to think like, he's like, Hey, Unknown Speaker he's the sober minded one. Mama Unknown Speaker Tama. You got to come down here tomorrow. Speaker 1 He's like tomorrow, come out to the check up here in the afternoon. I got a I got a special surprise. Unknown Speaker He's going Speaker 1 it's a tricky, tricky is like, Ah, I guess I'll figure it out. So he went back to the trade union. And he was like, Hey, do we got any ships doing any deliveries out to Vietnam anytime soon? I'm like, Well, what do you know? We got one leaving in two weeks. You want to be a part of that job mission? I don't know. What are they call that in the Speaker 2 mission? What are they trade? What are they doing? What's his job? It's Speaker 1 just a merchant ship. And so he there's just got a bunch of containers out there. He's a merchant. He's a trade merchant. What does that even Speaker 2 mean? I don't know. He writes sounds like a job from the 1300s I don't Speaker 1 know he maybe he loads the crates onto the boats and then gets there and loads them off. And then Unknown Speaker he's an Amazon driver from the 60s Speaker 1 Yeah, for the ocean for over the ocean. Okay. Yeah. But anyway, so he gets a trip to Vietnam over Speaker 2 the ocean and through the waves to Vietnam we go. Speaker 1 So he lands his job from it was a ship that was traveling from New York to Unknown Speaker Vietnam just say Vietnam. We are in Speaker 1 Vietnam, but I want to the city is you know, Nan and that's not a joke. It's que Wanda city. It's okay, it's qu I space n h o n. I think it's just q naught. Okay, it's my guess. But anyways, so that's where he's docking. And he he he came with a burlap sack with keep T loose cans of Pabst Blue Ribbon Unknown Speaker and loose cannons Speaker 2 we know how many soldiers are over there because he's just like I've got a bag of beers. What is this? What is a loaded up Brahms? Bring a bag of beers Speaker 1 he's not looking for he's not going to give beers to all the owners for Tom's Unknown Speaker mom's design for Speaker 1 for specific soldiers. I Speaker 2 mean to even have Lately, I've been making little stupid jokes and a wink after Speaker 1 he's been. He's been. He's looking for for specific people who are from his area in Manhattan, his neighborhood, you're busy. He knows them all. So he's, he's looking for a Tom Collins. Okay. He was a member of the 127 Military Police Company. And then he's looking for Kevin Nick loon. Rick Dugan, who I don't know what company they're a part of. And Bobby Papas also don't know what's he Speaker 2 just landing and being like, Hey, I got a list of names. And I've got a special delivery for them. That's the Speaker 1 thing. He doesn't really have a plan. He knows he knows how he's going to try to trick the military. And so what he's gonna do is he's like, he's like, I'm going to do my merchanting and then I'm gonna go find the US outpost in that city. And I'm be like, Hey, I'm looking for my brother Tom. He serves. Our mom just died. I'm coming to let him know that news. And might be Unknown Speaker a surprise surprise Speaker 2 Please don't ruin what's in the bag? So what's in the bag? Her ashes? It's those things when you're looking at a burlap sack. Be here's in it, kinda. There's just can't you see the cans? In the burlap sack. Speaker 1 Well, that's why I wasn't gonna go Ash is I was gonna go confetti poppers. Unknown Speaker We really Speaker 1 did not like her. No. So he he lands. He finds this outpost and he sees one of the military police guys with the patch on his shoulder that says 127 He's like, That's Tom's. That's Tom's outfit. And so he says Hey, is that I know Tom Collins, Tom Collins. He is He is a military policeman with you guys. So he's one of you. Okay. And he told me Unknown Speaker he's with you guys. Speaker 1 He tells him the sob story. With his little burlap sack of beers dressed in his weird hat and his Unknown Speaker Amiga. Will you tell your dad Unknown Speaker everyone else Unknown Speaker so Unknown Speaker sorry about your mom and your brother and your Unknown Speaker brother. Sorry we haven't sent the letter yet. Unknown Speaker It's on my desk. I was meant to send it yesterday. Unknown Speaker But you know procrastination Speaker 2 I'm just so unorganized I'm so sorry and lately forgot Speaker 1 Yeah. Um so he tells him the sob story in the military police guy believes them great. He's like cool let me go show you where Tom's quarters are Unknown Speaker what's your name Flom Unknown Speaker Phil, Phil Collins Speaker 2 doo doo anyway, this is so stupid Unknown Speaker monster Unknown Speaker I Unknown Speaker hate this Unknown Speaker mom's dad. No know Speaker 1 the police guy shows up to Dad's quarters. And he walks in the room and Tom like double takes and he's like, What are you doing here? Because like their childhood Speaker 1 and the military police officer leaves. He's like, he's like, I'll give you guys a moment. And he's burlap sack, lays it on the bed and opens it up and it's just 18 Pabst Blue ribbons because you get four of these. And he's like, I came here to have a beer with you. And he was like, what? And so I told him about the whole meeting with Speaker 2 the colonel. made me do it. Anyway. I don't have any better to do. So they drink all the beer. Anything going on? Yeah, I'm a kind of war right now. Oh, about that. Date and It like, he's just trying to compare life problems. Yeah. Speaker 1 No. Yeah. So the two of them they they drink all the beers. Wow. And then they went and they found some of Tom's buddies. And they went out on the town and Nam and they went to like some guys were celebrating believe a police guy was like, weird grieving. Unknown Speaker I love music Speaker 1 so they're going out on the town, right? There's nothing there. I don't know. Clubs. Sure. They're well get in VIP, you know? You know the thing. It's kind of hard not to get seated at VIP when you and your 12 your closest buddies walk in with him. sixteens. Speaker 2 Yeah. So there's hardly anyone out there, isn't it? Is that what you want? Is that what you want to say? That's what you want on the internet. Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's fine. It's it'll be out of context. You want special Unknown Speaker treatment at a restaurant? Or huge guns Speaker 2 the audio listeners, Zac Efron's bicep on screen. Very funny. Very funny. What do you think that measurement is? We should Google that. We should we should look it up. So they're out partying or VIP and Speaker 1 they're having a good time. And while he's at this club, there's another group of Vietnam VIPs I guess they're not veterans, yet the Vietnam soldiers, but therefore the US American soldiers. Okay, and so they're there in the in the club, and he notices that they're wearing the same patch of the next two guys on his on his list. Kevin and Kevin mcloon and Rick Duggan, Unknown Speaker basic. Hey, I'm their brother. Speaker 1 So he does the same thing. He goes up to them at the bar. And he said, Hey, he said, Hey, I'm looking for. For Rick Duggan. He chooses just one of them. He said, I'm looking for Rick, Doug and his brother, our mother passed away. I'm trying to find him. Can you get me to him? And he said, Oh, yeah, he's way up on the north end of Vietnam. He's like, look, we're going up there in the morning. He's like, if you could be at the tarmac at 800 hours tomorrow, we'll give you a lift. And he's like, deal. And so the next morning, he wakes up doesn't have any more beer. And he hitches a ride Unknown Speaker what's good, you can't bring that amount of fluid on a plane. Speaker 1 He shows up, he hits his stride up to this area called Shau Valley. Okay, and this was an interesting spot in 67. So he just leaves Unknown Speaker Tom. Yeah, he's Speaker 1 like he's like, Hey, we got your drink. Got your I got Speaker 2 my life mission is done. Good luck with whatever you're doing. Yeah. I Unknown Speaker hope you have a good one. Unknown Speaker I don't know what any of this but I'm glad you're here. But yeah, Speaker 1 I mean, I hope it's all good for you. So he goes, he goes to the shop out in the shop Valley at the time was the Northern Front of the war. So they hadn't explored this northern end of Vietnam yet. Right. So there was kind of this this I don't want to say like Northern offensive but it kind of was they were like pushing through the jungle and setting up little outposts here and there as they made it through. And it was very uncharted territory. I mean, if the Vietnam War there was tunnels and there's bombs and there was hidden stuff like it was, it was Unknown Speaker tough tunnels through bombs. Oh my. Speaker 1 It was tough to move through the jungle. Before it was like Target so it was a very dangerous side of Vietnam. Sure. Chicky lands in there's no Speaker 2 real going out and going to the VIP section. Yeah, that's not going to be this Speaker 1 part of the trip. And so Chicky Chicky lands in the town and he goes to like a convenience store and picks up a new case of beer because he used it on the first person. It's like, picks up some more beers. Some local stuff i This time I guess. And Speaker 2 red ribbon it's not our best but it's but it's their second best sure what what's the order? You know a lot about red ribbons, don't you? What's the order Speaker 1 shot? I never understood the point of that. Like, why are ribbons? Why is the best ribbon blue? When everything else? It's gold? I don't I don't I don't understand that like that. Why they did that? Speaker 2 I don't know. Maybe you can do an episode on one of those Google stuff. Speaker 1 What am I going to do when Google dies? had GB t. So he he lands and he goes to the military outposts. He tells them the sob story. Sure. And the guy was like, the guy kind of looks at him and he's and there's no there's a documentary where Chicky was like, I don't know what it was about this guy. But I felt like he knew I was lying. And I felt like I could trust him. So I just was like, here's the truth. He's like, he's like, I'm just, I'm just out here trying to have a beer with these guys. And the guy was like, that's cool. And Anthony got you radios. Unknown Speaker Okay. Well, it's Unknown Speaker okay. It's a radio is up to them Speaker 2 now. Hey, man. No, no, I'm not. Sorry. I think you have the wrong idea. I'm just trying to have a beer with the pilot on the plane. Let me on the plane. I'm just gonna Oh, yeah, no, I don't really have an appointment or reason to be here. I'm just here to have a beer with Joby. I just feel like a lot of people aren't supporting him. I just feel like I care about you know, and like, sure I disagree with a lot. But like, I just want to have a beard. I just wanna Speaker 1 I just want to show him that we support. What kind of beer did you bring? Unknown Speaker Perhaps red? Speaker 1 I didn't know that a second. Pass pass one the Blue Ribbon once. years ago. Yeah. And they haven't let it Speaker 2 they really wrote they rode with it, too. They quit making anything else. Or like, is it? Is it? Speaker 1 Is there a blue ribbon? We got it once. That's like if we still talked about how our Kansas City's best local podcast. Unknown Speaker When did we win that? Unknown Speaker 2021. Speaker 2 Oh, that's still recent enough. Who won it last year? Speaker 1 I don't know. We have where we haven't been on the list the past two years. I've checked each time. Speaker 2 Yeah, but right now, it's like a you enter yourself. Speaker 1 I don't know who introduced we didn't interrupt someone did. Yeah, we should enter ourselves next time. Okay, shouldn't ourselves every time because we're gonna shoot when Speaker 2 we could also just, we're a media company till in blue ribbon. We as I said, we could just make up an award and give it to ourselves. So most awards are Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Speaker 1 Okay, so they called Rec. Sure. Rick Duggan, on the radio, and they said, Hey, we need you to come back to base boomers do Yeah. And he was like, he was nervous about it. Because now he's gonna have to travel 500 meters, which isn't that long. a minefield, but through a minefield in the jungle. Yeah. And it's tough terrain. And so he's like, he's like, I gotta, I gotta take this trip alone, to take this trip alone through all this tough terrain. Unknown Speaker How bad is it though? And if he doesn't make it through, you know, if you're like, honestly, whatever, you're coming up, Unknown Speaker and you're like, all the moms are there waiting. Speaker 2 Yeah, he would have been fine if it wasn't for you and your stupid red ribbon. So he makes a lot of blue ribbon beer. He makes it through their mind. He makes it through Speaker 1 the minefield, he gets back to camp and he's like, he's like, he's like, Sorry, guys. What did you shoot for? And he's like, he's like, why'd you call me back? And the sergeant. Speaker 2 Then here comes chickie around the corner is like, hey, and he goes, he goes, who's this guy? doesn't recognize it's been a law of war. Okay. Yeah. She he's like, you're so funny. Unknown Speaker You're so funny. Speaker 1 No, yeah, he shows back up. He's like, Sarge, what would Why did you call me back in? And he's like, Oh, I didn't call you that guy did and there's Tiki Donahue. And he was like, What are you doing here? is like, well, I can have a beer with you and Kevin. Kevin's up at the camp. And he's like, he's like, Well, alright. Okay. He's like, bring your case. He's like, we're going. And so he leads him to this minefield. Meanwhile, chicky through a minefield. Yeah, he leads them back to their camp. Okay, and so Chicky is still wearing his regular clothes, blue jeans and his Yeah, is weird chef hat thing. Total sore thumb and this combat scenario. It gets up to the camp, and they make it spoiler, spoiler, they made it and they had beers. While they were out there. They were like they're like, Yeah, we probably shouldn't like have you out here just like dressing like your dressing. It's like give them a jacket, at least. So it can fit in but he's got his little white khakis on still. Yeah. And all of them are out there and they had some some canned food that they give the soldiers and he got to eat that and he said it wasn't good. And he stayed the night with him. And it was a night that he talks about everything. Unknown Speaker Purina two is what they were eating out there. And it was basically theory to to baby and goodbye fresh Speaker 1 Hey, thanks again for watching this episode. If you're enjoying it and you're enjoying chillin, you've been around for a little bit, I want to invite you to be a part of our Patreon, we have a Patreon that has early access to all of our episodes ad free content, both audio and video. We have a discord with our hosts and producers. That's a ton of fun getting to hang out with all of our patrons in there. We also do once a month now we do these live streams with our patrons. We hang out we get to know each other we eat pizza. It's a blast, along with a bunch of other benefits like a merch discounts message on your birthday like fun stuff. It's definitely worth it. We're having a blast with our patrons. But if that doesn't sound like something for you, that guy here just kidding. No, we love you. Thanks for checking out Dylan podcast. How do they how do they get it though? I realized I forgot to put a CTA in mind. Oh, dang, we're doing Yeah, Speaker 2 they can text Tillandsia 66866. Thanks, Jared. Speaker 1 So, so he spends the night with them. Yeah. And this is a very different experience than the last guy he shared a beer with. Okay, now they're drinking beer, but they're also in war in the jungle, like, actually in war now. Like they're in the jungle. They've got tents set up. As Speaker 2 you guys go out into town, and they're like, No, we blew up. Oh, okay. Unknown Speaker There's no word out. Unknown Speaker Yeah, we don't do that out here. Speaker 1 And so he's like, he's like, he got a tour of the camp. He's like, here's the camp. Here's our ambush perimeter. And a couple of nights a couple of times over the night. Like, they did get ambushed. And there was a firefight and he said Chicky in his documentary, he's like, he's like, that's the moment when I was like, I think I'm gonna stay here. This I don't know if I should be here, Speaker 2 you know? So all the soldiers felt that way. They were like, I didn't have to do this. I wouldn't be here. Why am I here? That's 100% you know, break man, Speaker 1 I'd say stays the night with them. And it was a stressful night, a very tense, tense combat night. But he makes it through the night. Morning. Spent all the beers again, all the perhaps red ribbon. And then he gets escorted back to camp rides the plane back down to Q anon. And on that trip, somehow he found word that Bobby Papas, which sounds like a fake but that Bobby Bobby Papa sounds Unknown Speaker like like a pizza joint in Chicago. Speaker 1 I can see that I was gonna say sounds like a character from Backyard Baseball. Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. True. Bobby Pappas. Now, what are the what are the voice actor in Backyard Baseball sound like? Speaker 1 I mean, they sound like little children. No, of playing, Bobby. Speaker 2 Sure. You know, that guy came back from Vietnam, and opened an Italian restaurant. And like, did very well, very, very well. He's the hero of his small town. Yep. Yep. Which was he employs all the high schoolers. This was Manhattan. That's where it was a small town boy. Unknown Speaker Just a small town guy. Unknown Speaker from Manhattan, you know, Unknown Speaker the biggest the biggest town? Unknown Speaker The big one. But I'm a small town. Speaker 1 I relate to small town life. You know, dirt roads? Yeah, my hats. Sue I am. Speaker 2 I've never I have an Italian restaurant. But I've never been to Italy. Just a little fun thing about me. Would you describe yourself in a sentence on urban Italy. Speaker 1 So he gets down there. And he manages to get a lift up to the camp outside of Saigon, sure to see Bobby papas. And, again, found some beer, they have their beers, whatever. They're hanging out. And he asked him how things were going up on the Northern Front. And Chicky he was like, he didn't know the answer the question, but they're just hanging out. They're having some beers. And so he's just like, said something. And so what he told him and he said, Ah, that was just to get to the negotiation table. He's like, we're on the tail end of this thing. They're figuring it out right now. Oh, no, it's 67 there. It goes until 75. Yeah, they're not close to figuring it out. And so he Unknown Speaker he, he takes that back back. Speaker 1 And so Chicky whatever they did the thing the next day he gets a ride back down to Saigon. So he can catch the return trip of his ship was finally unloaded. How long was this trip took a long time for them to unload this thing because he wasn't there. Unknown Speaker They were like one guy is pushing all these things. Speaker 1 They all say T lift. They all lifted. He's just so lifted. He's got like Speaker 2 that. He's got that belt, you know? And he's out here. It's been two weeks and he's just ripped Unknown Speaker his biceps you will never Unknown Speaker got back and everybody talks about his dad bought though. Speaker 2 Oh my gosh. People are so ruthless, man. Leave that up the rest of the time. I'm just Speaker 2 Okay, so how long was this trip? Duration of this whole thing? At this point, a few weeks, Speaker 1 like three weeks probably at this point, like I've been there for a little bit. Well, when he's getting he gets back into Saigon, he's getting ready to load into the return ship. And then the sky lights up back over at the MO depot where Bobby's at Oh no. And they got raided and they actually ended up overtaking the does this ammo supply shop wasn't a shop Speaker 2 Yeah. Trailer it was just a little setup in like a Walmart parking lot. And they they've got a little trailer they converted it into a ammo. Unknown Speaker They had it was a tent and it had American flags all over them. Speaker 2 You see them in your town. ammo supply stores. Like if you go there they give you like rockets included. If you buy the big package items, they'll throw in a couple rockets you Speaker 1 bought you bought a bunch of ammo, some rockets. Like hey, you want to take some pop snaps Speaker 2 on me. You know, snappers scare the enemy. Speaker 1 Have you noticed prank videos where people take take take their spouses shoes and tape all those pop snaps like the pop dragon snaps on the bottom of their shoes. And then just lay them back down. And so then Speaker 2 the internet does fake pranks. Like cops. They go to school with the wife is like yeah, it's kids YouTube, and it gets like freakin 14 billion views. And they make so much freaking money. Yeah, I'm not resentful about it at all. You know how you feel about being second place for the IQ stuff for our stuff. That's how I feel about those YouTubers. Work a quarter of as hard as Yeah, and I go Frick a man. Speaker 1 Yeah, if you're here this here's what we need you to do. If you're listening. We need you to buy two dozen cell phones and just play our show nonstop. 24 Speaker 2 cell phone 24 cell phone Great. Here's the thumbnail for this week's video. Ready? You gotta do it too. Speaker 1 Yeah. Hold on, let me move this great, and it's gonna say we told all our followers to buy two dozen cell phones. Watch this non stop. Speaker 2 Here's what happened. I built an ammo shop in our garage and no one knew until we got Speaker 1 Chickies like I gotta go back to Bobby. I gotta go make sure Bobby's all right and Speaker 2 so shaky gonna do so he hit like, don't forget though, what's he gonna do? He sees a big explosion this guy and he's like I Schicchi need to go see if Bobby an actual soldier is fine. Speaker 1 So you hitchhikes up to the to the ammo supply shop boys. Unknown Speaker And it gets there the ammo outlet and Speaker 1 Bobby just grills him. He's like, You shouldn't be here. He's like, you gotta get out of here. You told me you told me that this was almost over. He told me that we found out that this will come over to you. And she was like Sorry, I was just making conversation like I know how to answer it. How's the weather? I don't know how to answer. How's the war? Unknown Speaker Okay. Unknown Speaker Bobby was okay. But they did lose the depot. I think that's the word ammo depot is Unknown Speaker we lost the depot by my house. Let's put these on a tough that's Ford. Oh, sorry. You can do it. We might help this more doing we go out. Right from your community layer. Unknown Speaker Sound on DON'T WAIT WHAT DO YOU last Office Depot buy my house there's more like a Unknown Speaker range office depot's music is traditional Speaker 2 state using outdated technology we got better staplers and staples. Speaker 1 Oh, what's the what's the what's the? Oh gosh, hold on. Give Speaker 2 it a go. You don't have two seconds Speaker 2 oh no, it's green metal. Green Man. What? The green he's not listening to Kelly Hopkinsville encounter episode is that episode. Yeah, I know. I know what our episodes are. As part of having a big brain. I took a Red Bull today. We bring it up naturally. And I am pretty good at that. But you could use promo code Tim 10 I know it's pretty difficult Tim Tim. Speaker 1 know Mikey, Mikey, on on YouTube mentioned that he likes energy drink, Tim. Mikey. And so. Unknown Speaker So I I drink. I drink. Speaker 1 Celsius. We didn't have any so I drink a Red Bull instead. That's great. Unknown Speaker So Bobby's ticked. Speaker 1 Yeah, Bobby Bobby's mad at him. And says like he gotta get out of here. He's sweet. He hitchhiked back down to Saigon. He's Unknown Speaker like, Well, I was I was just going to make sure you're I'm fine. Unknown Speaker Everybody's like, you should be here. Pay. This Unknown Speaker is a time for beer buddies. Yeah, this isn't like Speaker 1 this isn't like your friend works at Pizza Hut and you want to go in and stop him Speaker 2 on the shift. Yeah, appropriate to let me know when you're under 10 I got some beers that I just came over to surprise you at work? Speaker 1 Yeah. Which is also like, it's like, you're Speaker 2 good you can you do to come back from the jungle real quick. And Rick works his way through a Vietnam minefields comes back and he's like, what was the emergency? And so there's no emergency. But this guy's here and it's someone dresses a giant heart. And it's one of those cigarettes. Hey, Rick, what you're gonna do? What you're gonna do My heart beats for you. This is from Susan. And she wants you to know even though you're a war and you're saving the world, you've already saved her world. And then I gotta get shot. Because he's he's literally a giant red target. So the singer grant I'm in big they had hazard pay they got paid a lot more Unknown Speaker didn't make a lot more in Vietnam. Speaker 2 Vietnam they got paid whatever. via cash is right you got paid pops red ribbon. Yeah, you gotta convert that into US Dollars Speaker 1 nowadays a super rare they only make them anymore. So if you could sell after market Speaker 2 value, or watch out because pap CEO. He's like a whole Spider Man's gonna play hard. put you out of business. Yeah, he's gonna crush you like the swan. Perhaps outlaw. Anyway. Speaker 1 Anyways, so Tiki goes back to Saigon. Speaker 2 You know, a regular pap cyst. And the boats. God Unknown Speaker the boat left without them. They Unknown Speaker were Oh, yeah, that guy was Unknown Speaker that he can stay. He's like, at least said, Look, you gotta go. Speaker 2 He doesn't even look good. It's just his back. He's got scrawny arms. But his back is freaking shredded, bro. He's like friggin like. He can he could pop his own back just with his muscles. Yeah, but his arms are just like, Unknown Speaker little like noodles like yours. Yeah. We should measure up our biceps. Okay, so tricky. Speaker 2 Here's a big press. No, it was a call back to seven years ago and our friendship. I do. Yeah. Eight years ago. Friendship. Yeah. What did I say to you? 10 years ago in our friendship. It was 10 years ago. Yeah, Unknown Speaker that actually was Yeah. Wow. Was Raj right. Speaker 2 Yeah. You made it you made it was a one time you made a fat joke to me. And I was like, I can outlive you easy. Let's do it. Yeah. And I got really depressed in Speaker 1 my face. You were like, Yeah, I didn't know how to respond. I didn't know you that well. Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, and I was like, don't. I'm really insecure. Unknown Speaker Yeah. I didn't know you well enough to stab you like that. Speaker 2 Yeah, now we know each other well enough that you can literally stab me. Unknown Speaker Fun little joke with you. Unknown Speaker Anyway, the boats gone. Now he's in Vietnam. Speaker 1 Yeah. So long story short, he ends up stuck in Vietnam, which is the sequel to the movie that he made about this whole thing stuck in Vietnam. But yeah, he's stuck there for four months. Unknown Speaker Four months. Does he go back to Bobby Pappas? Speaker 1 No, he while he stayed on the dock is yeah, he stayed. He stayed in like one of the military camps, the American military camps. They just kind of looked out for him. Unknown Speaker He's like, Hey, guys. Speaker 1 My mom died. So I thought I'd come. He's Speaker 2 just telling every person to your My mom died. And so I was just here to tell you that. Could I stay with you tonight. Speaker 1 And so he because he missed missed it. He had to wait a little while to get a passport and a visa through the US Consulate in Vietnam. So he can leave like a normal civilian would leave. And he finally got all that sorted out, got a flight. And the day his fight. The day of his flight out of Saigon, that Tet offensive began, which was a massive, massive thing that was involved, Saigon. And so the flights got grounded, and he couldn't leave. Yeah, long story short, eventually, he was able to become an oiler on a merchant ship. And so he was just applying for jobs. He's like, I guess it's in my life now. And he happened to apply for a job where he could go back to New York on a boat Speaker 2 and immediately quits. Where do you see yourself? Like, do you do you want to work for this company for like, five years? Yeah, I want to I really want to work my way. Yeah, I Unknown Speaker just I really believe in first trip. Unknown Speaker They landed in New York. And he's like, I quit. I Speaker 1 wasn't even docked yet. Yeah. And then they're like, I want to go we don't let quitters. Speaker 2 Yeah, he jumps off the boat mid sea. In the hot seat, you shouldn't say Speaker 2 he looks over and he's like Solly. I have bad news about your mom. Unknown Speaker So he finally arrives Speaker 2 in your mind this time? Just move it again. Thank you. So he arrives Speaker 1 in New York on April Fool's Day. 1968. Unknown Speaker When did he leave? Unknown Speaker mid November, mid November? Unknown Speaker In the month, a month? Speaker 1 Exactly. And he goes back and he tells the colonel Hey, I did it. And the colonel gets everyone's moms to show up with so you can tell them. Hey, you're all good. And your kids are all good. And so for Bobby, he's a little mad. Bobby's pretty mad at me. But it was a huge success. And a few years later, Speaker 2 we're off on beer tours now. They're like, Yeah, whatever. What are their war? Do you want to go? We like that, do it again or go to what? Speaker 1 And so in 1970, he bought the pub dock Fiddler's and managed it for a few years, and then ended up selling it again. And then he became a trade unionist. And then, let's see, let me make sure I get this year right. In 2022 biographical comedy film starring Zac Efron, called the greatest beer Ron ever came out. And Zac Efron was his character. And he, you know, just did what Donahue did in the movie. It's on apple plus, so you can watch that story as well. You can watch dad Bob Zak, walk through the jungle in Vietnam. And his little his little when he called that plaid shirt. Yeah. Huh. And what's crazy about this is in this poster, they did a really good job like showing what it was actually like because they did flyover and over Speaker 2 again, giant fabs calves. Red Ribbon, red ribbon. Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah, so that's the story. You can watch that now. I think Speaker 2 we're not sponsored You don't gotta you don't say don't watch that movie. Unknown Speaker Don't watch that. Meanwhile, we Speaker 2 can't say don't we that's that mean? That mean? That feels like we're responsible, like competitive. You can watch that movie. If you have the ability to watch watch Jurassic Park. What you should watch is the true story of Chris Pratt upbringing in Jurassic Park. That's how he was made. Speaker 1 That's how he was. Chris Pratt, is Adam, and they brought him back for Jurassic Park. Tell them yet they haven't told him Unknown Speaker until he does. didn't know until one of his childhood friends doesn't even know Speaker 1 I brought Adam back to my car garage and no Unknown Speaker one knew Unknown Speaker I made a dinosaur it's like smash that like but like he smashed my house Unknown Speaker fetal position in his blood car garage. Speaker 2 Dinosaur Adam Adams fetal position in his garage in the back of his Prius Adams got plenty of room he doesn't have to be crammed fetal position but the dinosaur is crammed in there dinosaurs pushed it I really needed this video to take off so I haven't come for a bigger house I really didn't think this one through I grew a dinosaur faster than I thought I was chasing fame and you know, I really outpaced myself on Florida dinosaur dude. Anyway, this is out of hand. Never drink an energy drink again. Speaker 1 Mikey wants me to sell this for you Mikey Speaker 2 great your blue bull Red Bull couldn't afford the name brand while we're getting sponsored by the knockoff brands do that Unknown Speaker we got some work to do then. All right. Unknown Speaker Dr. Thunder that's what I'm saying. That's what Unknown Speaker we do it's really funny yeah all right. Well Unknown Speaker we got let's get to work all right. Speaker 2 Oh off then or whatever I'm gonna knock off fiddle would be your mouth Speaker 3 died I'm here to drink you through the pain Speaker 2 in Vietnam to do goo Oh, you were gonna say grocery oh sorry. Speaker 2 Things on last night is a production of space. Tim media produced by Christian Taylor audio is edited by Alex Garnett video by Connor Betts social media is run by Caleb Walker and graphic design by Caleb Goldberg. 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Steve Glew – The Unreal Story of the Pez Outlaw

06-27-23
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Unknown Speaker Hey man, Unknown Speaker what's going on? Unknown Speaker Have you ever heard of area 51? Shot? Don't do Unknown Speaker this to me. I don't want to do it's what I had prepared. No, it's not. No, it's not. Unknown Speaker Oh, thank goodness you ever Unknown Speaker heard of Steve glue? Unknown Speaker Yeah, it's gotta be worse. I feel like Speaker 1 if I ever should do one of those tic tock videos where you hold up two options, and I get to choose one but they're both bad or both aliens is Steve blue aliens. All right, roll. Unknown Speaker Oh, yeah, this company is for the whole world. Unknown Speaker We'd like to have our own. Unknown Speaker Can I open for you please let me get into that. But Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen, Tim stone. She spent her whole life working on that project. Did you like that? Your ruin homeward bound. Things I Learned last night Unknown Speaker who's Steve glue? Okay, so Speaker 2 Steve glue was a dude in Utah. His dad Unknown Speaker made armor. Okay, Steve glue did what Unknown Speaker Steve glue was a man in the 90s who had a passion. He was a collector of of candy dispensers known as Pez. Speaker 1 Okay, that is weird is that? Well, it's still weird. I was wondering. I thought I was gonna be Yeah. Are these the Seven Dwarfs? What is this? Unknown Speaker These are the four horsemen of the apocalypse. This Unknown Speaker is Santa apocalypse. Unknown Speaker Yeah, I don't know what this series is. This Speaker 2 is just a random collection of Pez products. They all stay the same. I didn't. Unknown Speaker They're not all the same. Speaker 3 There's two that are very distinctly I mean, they're different, but they're the same. You know, it's Speaker 2 all bearded dudes with hats. Okay. They're just different color beards and color faces. And this guy is a Pez collector. Yeah, he's a Pez collector. But here's the deal. This candy, Unknown Speaker not great. It's chalk. I mean, it's not you know, it's not chalk. It's candy. Unknown Speaker Are you serious? Unknown Speaker But it's not like, chalk. Speaker 2 I mean, I used to cut up chalk and shape it and say, You're an Speaker 1 idiot for that, right? Okay, so he's a Pez collector. Unknown Speaker I used to just stick whole sticks of chalk in there. Unknown Speaker He's a Pez head. Speaker 2 I thought it was the PES cut the chalk into the shape. And so you put the whole stick in and then you you got the shape. Speaker 1 Okay. You read in shock as a kid. That's what you're saying? Because we all were honestly explains a lot. We all word. Yeah, so he collects Pez dispensers. How many has he got? Unknown Speaker Oh, he's got lots. Speaker 2 He's got lots of Pez dispensers. That's not really an interesting thing about his life, though. That's just Unknown Speaker a side thing. One night, Speaker 1 one night, aliens I swear, I swear if you say something like that, if you lead me on where the past collection, and then you go one night, late in the three in the morning, a bright light shines into his bedroom, shine it upon the Pez collectors. They all begin to tremble and shake. As a flying saucer overtakes his home. What are you talking about? Speaker 2 So he was a Pez collector. And he was from DeWitt, Michigan. And here's something we need to know right off the bat about Pez. Their corporate structure is a little strange. Okay, there's two past companies. There's How old is PES? PES is old Pez as we know it. 1949, something like that. Okay, before that it was actually an anti smoking tool. And so it was like, it was like Nicorette gum, like was the concept. But they realized, Oh, hey, it's a little like, people are opening up this tin, and they're picking it up and putting in their mouth. That's too much work, make it fun. And so they had a German designer designed this dispenser that could give you one at a time, like really quickly. And they thought, oh, this cigarette smokers are gonna love this. But then kids loved it. And they're like, well, we can't Speaker 1 wait. We got to get the kids smoking first. And then give them and that feels like bad messaging, you know, so they turn away. Hey, yeah, you tried to get into smoking. Unknown Speaker So they turned it into candy and started marketing. I'd carry Unknown Speaker you there's a different kind of dairy for you. Unknown Speaker And then we've got a program for high school here, you Speaker 2 know, yeah, they were like, Oh, this whole market really well as candy. We put some characters on it. It'll sell well. All and so that's kind of how Pez got started. Okay, but it still works for smoking if you eat it that way, because it just chalk kills you. So I quit. Just as Speaker 4 I used to carry around cartons of cigarettes, but it was just full of chalk. Just a little chalk stick. That's Unknown Speaker also what the fake cigarettes are. Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. And then you puff them. That's right. That's what I was eating. I was like, I Speaker 4 used cigarettes to guys. That's the crunchy cigarette I've ever seen someone hate Oh, sick, never seen someone bite into a cigarette butt. That was the crunchiest cigarette I've ever seen several Biden. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Don't try to light it. It does not. Unknown Speaker It doesn't burn. Yeah. Unknown Speaker So Speaker 2 is the corporate structure. Okay. Yes. Was there was Pez International, which was the parent company, and that Unknown Speaker operates. Who's the Pez daddy, who's that operator who's the wise Papa who's in charge? Worldwide, right, hesitant. Speaker 2 But America had their own America had pas America, because, you know, we're American Corp. That's how we are. We were like, oh, yeah, this Unknown Speaker is a couple of years for the whole world. Speaker 2 We'd like to have our own. Yeah. So there's PES America. And the way things functioned was I hate so much that you caught this. But the President and CEO of PES in the 90s called himself the president. Yeah, he did. His name. You got it. His name was Scott. McWeeny. That's not a joy, joy. Joy. This is him. Scott McWeeny. They Unknown Speaker are so serious about this, too. Unknown Speaker Oh, he was passionate about it. Here's an earlier photo of Scott McWeeny. I think this is Speaker 1 yeah, that's the other go back to the other picture. This head look at the toll that the stress of this job is tennis is a tough job. Go back to the earlier picture. And this is when he first hesitant that this is President right? Yeah. And this is this is a term pessimistic. I'm saying like he he aged quite a bit here. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. But also didn't if that makes sense. Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty accurate. Okay, so president and he Speaker 1 I do like that I call that I hate that so much. He they call all their frontline workers peasants. So it's, it's not as endearing as they thought it was gonna be. Unknown Speaker I thought it'd be a cute fun thing. Peasants retentions. Terrible. Unknown Speaker Yeah. Unknown Speaker They're cloning their work. Unknown Speaker Log into a call center. It's your first day on the job. Speaker 1 They've already got one of you. You walk them out. You're like, wait a minute, hold on. You walk in. You walk in and someone goes Unknown Speaker well, you call me at ease me. Unknown Speaker Now? Nothing. Nothing. Speaker 2 Now you walk in and the first row is all like the new people. Yeah, so they're all different. Second row is different. So then Unknown Speaker the second row and Speaker 2 you meet Becky in the first row? Yeah, then you you get up after the first few calls your training balls. Go to the restroom. And you start to notice like there's it's all Becky 100 Becky's Speaker 4 and they all say the same call. It's the line and you just hear that echo. It sounds like you're talking about army. Unknown Speaker Thank you for calling PES Speaker 3 PES. I'm one of the peasants professors. So So why is this guy interesting to me? Speaker 2 McWeeny he ran this company it was a tight ship Unknown Speaker sorry it was a tight ship. He ran on lean. Hot dogs Speaker 4 Well, let's find out I don't know. weenie hot dog this Unknown Speaker back guarantee they did. Speaker 2 They call it the MC hot dog. Which is a miss. And it is. It looks pretty bad. I'm not gonna lie. It's one of the worst looking hot dogs I've ever seen. Really? It's a bad look. Unknown Speaker I don't know. I've never seen a hot dog I would need Unknown Speaker let me show you a picture of this Nick. Hot dog. It's Speaker 2 not a surprise that this ain't around no more because this is rough. Good branding now. Oh, hey, it looks like it was in Japan. Maybe I'm not sure I can't read Speaker 1 that. But what are we on the top of the heart? Don't think it's relish. But it's you know why this didn't take off in America, the whole grain bond. That's what I'm saying, oh, Americans. It's it's trying to sneak some health and yeah, all right. It's worse for me if I'm going somewhere and getting a McWeeny Yeah, I want it. Unknown Speaker This week, we need to make kill me. Unknown Speaker So Scott McWeeny. So Scott McWeeny, he Speaker 2 ran a very tight ship. And he he was he wanted to make all the decisions. He wanted to make the call and hit a home run and be right. He wanted to be the guy. Yeah, yeah. And so he would find these licensing deals with big American brands, and they would license their new Pez carriers. Yeah. Meanwhile, PES International is out here making their own licensing deals that are globally interesting, right? And they're sending it off to Pez America and be like, Hey, we got this new license, did it licensing deal. We'll ship it off to the US. And he N McQueeney is like that wasn't no. So here, we're not selling out here. And so he had to sign off on everything that Pez America or pas global, brought in, because he wanted to be the guy. He wanted to be the decision. That's the only reason and he'd be like, he'd be like, No, you guys are ignorant. That'll never work here. He's like, you guys don't know what's, what works in the States. He's like, I know what works in the States. You don't know what's working. I'm here. I'm the president. I'm Unknown Speaker Bucha. workaround. Yeah, Speaker 2 yeah. I'm the president. You're the new world order. We're not? We're not part of Unknown Speaker the UN doesn't get to tell me what to do. Speaker 2 Yeah. And so there were a lot of series in the McQueeney era of PES characters that never sold in the US. And hey, we're not available. What's the word? Good, not legal to sell in the US because Sure, was no license for the US to sell them. So you could if you're a serious collector, go overseas, find someone who had it, purchase it come home, whatever. But you could not sell it in the US because there was no licenses available for interested us. And this is where Steve glue came in. And Steve glue, he noticed that there's this weird little law with customs, where if you own a business, that imports goods from overseas, if you want to stop that product from being imported into your nation, if you have the license for it, you're allowed to prevent that. You just have to file that paperwork with customs. But if you don't, people who don't have the license, can import it. And it's illegal, perfectly legal, to bring that to import that if they purchase it overseas. Sure, import it in. Technically speaking, what happens after that? If you sell it, if you don't have the license? It's probably illegal. But importing is legal. Okay, and PES Speaker 1 missa. Did you say the same thing three times? I don't understand what happened. So he can go somewhere, buy it come back, but he still can't sell it in the States. Speaker 2 Yeah, so he's allowed to import it. But I realize that you Speaker 1 said it a very simple way the first time. And then you said it a unnecessarily complicated way. Speaker 3 We'd like you to understand No, I tried to fully onboard you. You looked at me like so just Speaker 1 goes to Europe? Yeah, he can buy it. He can buy he can come back to the States. Yeah. And then he can't sell in the States. Because he doesn't have the license. Yes. No, I fully understood that. And then you were like, now there's some weird laws with the customs. And it all comes down to paperwork. And if they don't fill out the paperwork, Speaker 2 well, okay. Okay. Let me explain that because clearly you don't understand. I know if if you don't have a license to sell something in the US, you can't import it. Customs will stop you and say you're not allowed to sell this in the US. As long as the company that has the license files that paperwork with customs, otherwise you Speaker 1 as international didn't do the paperwork. Yeah. So he can sell it and Speaker 2 he can sell it but he can import it. Okay, yeah. And so he knows okay, I can at least get past customs. And from there, it's easy. So Speaker 1 he goes, but what customs agent what, what are you talking about, like customizing agent is going through your bag, see some Pez dispensers. And it's like, these are licensed in the United States. You can I know what is licensed and what isn't licensed. And I'm gonna go ahead and stop you right here. You know, saying, like what what customs agent is so brush up on his Pez collection and Pez availability. Unknown Speaker That's a decent point. Unknown Speaker Play the shot Speaker 1 of that person knowing what's licensed and what's not. When it comes to Pez dispensers, Unknown Speaker I guess that's a pretty decent but I mean, I think I think the the idea he was like, Speaker 1 oh boy, I don't want to get caught. And he's like nervous and lied to. He's got his backpack full of Pez dispensers. He's freaking swept around all the pads. You know what years this? Unknown Speaker Late 90s He's a Unknown Speaker customer. Is there anything in your bag, please? Speaker 2 Yeah, it's, it's just Pez dispensers. Speaker 1 Yeah, I can see that. Okay, all right, man. You got any illegal drugs or bombs in here? No, Unknown Speaker no just No. Speaker 1 Fully latest patches vendors don't really legal pads is licensed and ensures that illegal list passes you've ever seen these are the these are the legit legit passes Unknown Speaker such legal pas. Okay. Definitely. Speaker 1 How you're actually gonna go? Well, I think is your your taste. Hold on. Unknown Speaker I think what he said, Unknown Speaker I think he's saying that he is expecting he's not Unknown Speaker going to go all the Oh, where do they where Unknown Speaker we need to look at them and be like, Hey, why Unknown Speaker are you out of 1000? Pez dispenser. Yeah, Speaker 2 there's a lot of pets. Okay, so that's fishy. Speaker 1 Hey, I wanted to give you a heads up that our Taillon patron hangout is happening on June 29. At 6:30pm. By the time that happens, I'll be a married man. So I'm taking time away from my beautiful wife to come hang out with our $20 patron supporters. So maybe like, you know, be thankful, okay, is what I'm saying. But for real, we're very thankful for our Patreon supporters, because without you the show doesn't happen. So every month we do a hangout for a $20 tier and the next word is on June 29. At 630 Come hang out with Tim and married me. You know, it's gonna be great. Speaker 2 So him and his son, they fly to Europe. Sure. And they land in Germany near a major Pez dispenser manufacturing plant and just hanging around outside Unknown Speaker for all it's kind Speaker 1 of hoping for the leftovers like you do at Krispy Kreme, you know, saying because they throw away do you know the Krispy Kreme throws away this slightly deformed doughnuts? Yeah. And they keep fat Jaron would give you a lot of tips on how to get some flame. Legally they can't stop Speaker 2 you if you take it out of the dumpster. That is true. They are not allowed to say no. The police legally Yeah, Speaker 1 but if you can't get it back, if you can't get a bag of Krispy Kreme Doughnuts out of the trash and away from there faster than the police arrive. Yeah, that's on you. Yeah, that's on you. And that's where I knew I needed to lose weight. But what So, Unknown Speaker but the thing is Krispy Kreme being a donut shop. It's crawling with the cops. Yet to be sneaky. Unknown Speaker We love stereotypes. Speaker 4 I just like it's like it's like that Burger King video game. You have to sneak into the Krispy Kreme to get your trash for free is Unknown Speaker a really like $1.80 Speaker 1 is a Christian you're risking years in prison over a Krispy Kreme donut over a deformed speaking of prison. We have a friend. We do in prison. Yeah. Militia militia wrote us a letter. Yes. We did read it. Unknown Speaker I'm, I'm legally required to say Speaker 1 hey, I'm Alicia. If you're still listening to this, you know, sorry about all the other prison jokes are made in previous episodes. About how much prison time we would do in exchange for you know, but thanks for thanks for that, Senator. That was really that was really tiny and uplifting. Yeah, it was really nice. We Speaker 2 loved it. We're gonna write you a letter. Yeah. Got it by now. And for Speaker 1 other listeners. She said that she's sharing it with all her friends in the prison, which is more than you're doing you sacks of crap. telling your friends air about us? You know? Yeah, she's got a whole prison unit. I think she says Dylan fans down there. Speaker 2 I think she said the words I promise I didn't start a call. And so the fact that none of you have started, Unknown Speaker can't be bothered to leave a five star review. Anyway, thanks, Felicia Gerrans might be sorry if we were mispronounced your name by the way. Speaker 3 We debated it might is my light is my my gosh to hit Gerrans light is my man. So anyway, everybody say that out loud no Speaker 2 matter where you're listening right now. Gerrans light is my Speaker 1 house. Spooky would it be? If she's in that prison cell and the whole prison right now? They're all happen to be listening at the same time. Speaker 4 That was spooky would it be? You're at Old Navy? Oh, yeah. And you're like, you're like looking at a new pair of jeans and you just hear from the changing room. Speaker 1 over who's listening to the podcasts in the changing room who's got headphones in while they're trying on new clothes take and interrupt this. What if you're a pas headquarters in 100? Becky's? The pas Palace like headquarters, so, um, so he and his son go to Germany they're hanging out around a Pez dispensary. Yeah, thanks Unknown Speaker Spencer Spencer Speaker 4 dispenser Okay, first of all, why are there not storefronts called dispensaries that sell Pez dispensers? Pez dispensers. Speaker 2 That's is still a thing. Can you still go buy pads just publicly, Unknown Speaker but it's not licensed? Unknown Speaker Yeah, that's taken to the DMV. Unknown Speaker A lot. Yes. Sell it. So So he Speaker 2 goes, he goes, he starts hanging around these factories, makes a connection. Finds a guy who's a collector, Speaker 1 he makes a connection. You don't have these watches hanging outside the factories that hey, you can buy your lunch. Yeah. Okay. Speaker 2 He finds a guy in Europe who knows a lot about PES. An avid collector. Yeah, like a collector, you know, like a collector. And he's a collector. And so he's like, they bond over being collectors. And the guy's like, Hey, I've got some, some global Pez, not some American Pez you want sure it will pass? And he's like, yeah, he's like, he's like, how much? And he's like, $1,200 Speaker 1 What are they doing this? Why are you talking like this behind us work? Okay. I got some global pairs, some global pets. Yeah, they're just doing shady deals behind the circle. Okay. Speaker 2 Yeah. And so he buys he buys a handful of rare global passes. Okay. And he takes that back and he turns them for a massive profit, like $1,000 profit each pass. Who? Okay, there's cuz here's the deal. You couldn't get those in the States. Man. We're stateside. Yeah, honest Speaker 1 with you right now. If I came home, and my wife by the way, if you're listening to this, I'm married. I'm not married yet. recording this. So that's why Speaker 3 I keep saying it. It's a gamble. It's gonna it's off. You know, Speaker 1 I'm gonna it's, you know, for the next probably 10 episodes. I'm gonna mention it just so you guys know. Yeah. But if I come home and my wife is like, hey, so I saw an opportunity couldn't pass it up. And I spent an extra $1,000 this month. Yeah. Oh, okay. I mean, that's that's a budget item. Sure. Yeah. What did you get? And she goes Speaker 3 it's this it's super rare. It's super rare. It's only available globally is the only one in United States Yeah, it's Unknown Speaker it's the queen Unknown Speaker with the queen I was gonna go Tony the Tiger Unknown Speaker it's available everywhere right. Speaker 5 But look, it's but look when i Hello. She did that wasn't me. Hello. Speaker 1 That's two pieces each time to two syllables. Hello. Unknown Speaker Shooting PES all over the carpet trying to show you Unknown Speaker though Your peasant everywhere. Unknown Speaker I was so past what I saw. Speaker 1 I was working through all the all the PES pawns in PES off was one I was going to work towards. I did say the real word the other night during the show. And Unknown Speaker the crowd gasp Speaker 1 almost. It was definitely it was a ladies event. And it came up my mouth and you know I've ever said something. And as it's coming out your mouth, you're like, No, I Speaker 2 should have said that. I know. That's fine. Speaker 1 Yeah. I sold him a lot of Pez dispensers after Speaker 2 global ones even. So he made a big profit and he sent me a glass case Speaker 1 or like here's my Pez imagine Okay, let's walk through another scenario. You're rich, right? Divorced obviously and you're going out trying to date again you're trying to impress some young ladies right so you bring you throw a party at your house and you're like you want to show off how rich you are? Yeah, so you go Hey, ladies, you guys want to see my expensive collection and they think diamonds they have aches reaches crushers sword you lead into your garage? Yeah. That is lined wall the wall with cases. Yeah. And it's just well lit by the way. They're always Speaker 2 well lit. So as dispensers everywhere marble floors. Unknown Speaker You know what's crazy is that you have their faces on pistols Unknown Speaker that's like a Peele movie. Unknown Speaker This one's You are you in pest? impressed and pest? In PES. Creepy. Unknown Speaker Gosh, I hate that so much. Um, yeah. So he he makes, Speaker 2 he turns his for profit. Yeah. And so he turns to his wife, and he says, Speaker 1 This is our life. This is what I need to do. I just quit my job. I just quit my job. Speaker 2 Well, he didn't quit his job yet. But he did go back. And he met some influential people in the PES world overseas. Like PES global corporate. Yeah. Allegedly. Now here's where the story gets a little difficult. According to the people at corporate PES global. This isn't true. They were just friends. Sure. According to Steve glue, they were his suppliers. Okay, and they said, Don't tell anybody about this. I don't know you. You don't know me. But if anyone Unknown Speaker asks, we're just friends. Speaker 2 Yeah, but we just got this huge pallet. Speaker 1 What kind of international pieces he bring it over? Like, can I see an example of any of them? Actually, Unknown Speaker I don't know. That's a good question. Speaker 1 I'd love to see one and go that's International. You know, like, what what pieces weren't available in the United States? Speaker 2 I mean, it was all over the place. It was characters that it was characters that this Scott Nicolini guy just was like, oh, yeah, this won't work in the US or it wasn't my idea. So we're not going to do this in the US. Okay, I think a lot of them were not like licenses. Because like, because I think Scott make weenie was licensing stuff on like Disney and stuff. Sure. Trying to be like, Oh, these are big characters that kids already know. Vote Yeah, though. We're and these were just like, these were just those one mayor's guys. Yeah. And he was like, he's like, No, we're not doing that in the States. So is the stuff that are weird. Here's a here's a good example. This one is called Alpine man with moustache. It street value is $1,024. Okay. And it is just like this. How much $1,024 Oh, this is the dude in Alpine man with a mustache picture that you probably close. Unknown Speaker It's currently for sale. I've been looking for that. How much could we spend Tim? Unknown Speaker Oh, gosh. Unknown Speaker Tim. Unknown Speaker Support us on Patreon. Patreon. Unknown Speaker Patreon. Speaker 1 That sounds like a country made up. Okay, so just different items. Yeah, they were just used like the Americans are gonna hate it. Yeah, Speaker 2 American kids. They don't know what this is. It's not it's just a fun character that you just made up. Unknown Speaker And so give it a movie first. Speaker 2 So the reason why this relationship worked, allegedly was because PES global wanted to sell their stuff in the US. But PES us was being kind of a butthead about it. But Scott Unknown Speaker explained a true McQueeney about it. Yeah, Speaker 2 so the reason this relationship worked, allegedly is because Steve was showing up to PES global and PES global wanted to sell their stuff in the US. But Scott McWeeny was being a butthead. Like he was like, No, it's not my idea. So Unknown Speaker we're receiving a commission back to them. Allegedly. Speaker 2 Allegedly, no, allegedly, he was just buying the stuff outright and wholesaling, like wholesale. And then going back and selling it in the US. He was doing what he was buying it wholesale. Okay. And then selling us get Speaker 1 us around us a lot of words sometimes it's funny. That's what you know, I got it. Right. You know, I'm saying like when I got him good. When I go, what was it and he goes go back and listen to him and say, right. So Unknown Speaker the President, the President was being a butthead Unknown Speaker about it. Yeah. Big. Speaker 2 Global was like, Yeah, we're what I'm doing fine. We're Speaker 1 another to this guy. Yeah. And he and they're just like this the profit you make on it? Yeah. And then he is he paying a pretty high markup on it. He's paying wholesale because they're printing Speaker 2 them and they're sent shipping them all over the place. Yeah, and he's getting a whole bunch of these go back to Dallas dollars selling them on the gray market. On the gray market. It's a gray area. It's not black market items. It's not white market. It's gray in the gray area. I mean, I guess technically black market because it's not licensed, but he's selling it is reselling as like a collector. It's sure it's a weird gray area. Right? Okay. So it's coming back to the US and he's making fat profits on these. Yeah. So eventually he quits his job. He was a machinist. He would just cut Speaker 1 him out on the street performing is pretending to be a machine Speaker 1 you could do that. Thanks. That was really good. Can I wish for you? Till in talent night? Let's do a tail on talent show. Unknown Speaker Can I open for you please let me open to that. But Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen, Tim stone Speaker 5 bonus points if you get the headset mic a little too far in front of your mouth. Yeah, it's just like so. You're Unknown Speaker peeking. Yeah, Unknown Speaker you're just blowing on the mic. Unknown Speaker I just do it. Like 20 minutes. Speaker 1 That's how long 20 minutes? How long are we dating a good rule? Three. Do you think you think that someone would sit through there for 16 minutes and go this is fine. Unknown Speaker It's this sort of thing where at that at that timeframe? Unknown Speaker At the beginning, it's like ah, it's pretty funny. Speaker 4 Guy just walked up on stage. This isn't as funny anymore and you're like yeah, this was this was not a joke. This has been and then and then and Speaker 1 then it's kind of like okay, this is still a bit and then there's a moment in the middle where it gets kind of Unknown Speaker finally kind of easy still. Unknown Speaker This is wild commitment. And then there's a point Speaker 4 falls off and it falls off hard. People started throwing stuff and started yelling things at me. They said the building on fire never saw Speaker 1 the fire department shows up. You're just a crisp little robot in the middle there. Forever memorialized. Unknown Speaker Fire broke it Yeah. Unknown Speaker A SoundCloud rapper Unknown Speaker shows up and started rapping over the Speaker 1 Okay, so quit his job. He's done. He's like I life on the roads too tough. As a machinist. I gotta come home. But first, I need to go. Buy a bunch of PES. Unknown Speaker Literal boatload of pets. How many Unknown Speaker is he buying these Speaker 2 trip? At the height of his career? He went and he made a half a million dollar purchase on PEZ and is coming back with literal boatloads of pets and customs customs. The first time he comes back with like a pallet load of Pez customs. He's like, How will a Pez and now custom flags it? And custom says we got to I mean, you're not Pez. Yeah. So you can't import this. And so they look at the paperwork. And they check in they're like, Oh, well, PES never filed it. And they I saw an interview with the actual customs agent, Speaker 1 who the real one who was like, this is sketchy. Yeah. And Speaker 2 he checked in he said, Well, if they're dumb enough not to file their paperwork, then come on in. And that's exactly what he said. And this guy, just let them import the PAs. And he built this operation. He started doing these like, Where does he keep them? He's got a warehouse. Yeah, here I actually have a picture of his warehouse. Has warehouse and I literal pallet loads of pet. These are all peasants. This is just some random picture of a warehouse. I'm kidding. Now. This is actually from his blog. Unknown Speaker Watson just got a blog. He has a pet Speaker 2 blog. Okay. And so he he's running this this sophisticated operation. Sure. He's going to these past conferences so Speaker 1 risky, because I mean, at any point, it's over. Speaker 2 So he's going to these PES fan conferences. Yeah. Okay. He's got to these past fan conferences. He's selling all these these rare passes at these conferences. And making a lot of money making a killing, selling. Yeah. So he gets an invite to go to like an official Pez conference to sell at the Pez con. Speaker 1 And they're like, what that feels like a trap. Yeah, here's, here's why. You can see the Unknown Speaker guy left. Well, he's the bearded guy. Speaker 2 This is like his booth that he would set up at conferences. Speaker 1 He's a for those for Audio listeners. He looks like Unknown Speaker he looks like he would set up a marathon in middle school janitor. Unknown Speaker Beard. Big glasses. He looks like that guy was you know attire? Yeah, Speaker 2 it looks like the middle school janitor who's been saying he's gonna be here for like 30 years. You're Speaker 1 the guy. Yeah, if I told you about the janitor of my middle school? No, who had a comic book collection worth like a lot of money? Yeah, yeah. So I mean, kinda so I mean similar costumes. Robert. Yeah. But he has like three copies of the first ever Spider Man. That's kind of cool. Like he's I mean he's that's his retirement plan is his causes conflicts. Seriously? Interesting. He's got a lot of them. But anyway, so yeah, he looks like a middle school janitor. Big glasses long beard. And next to him is a clown. Yeah. Speaker 2 Literal. Full clown. Not not like a clown of a person. But like a clown. But Kalinago clown of a clown. Like a happy little clown Unknown Speaker with a Pez hat. Yeah. Speaker 2 And so he gained some notoriety selling these aftermarket passes. Sure. Or these I guess, gray market poses. Yeah, and making bank don't make an absolute bank making these trips over to Europe getting some stuff from the the dispensaries. Speaker 1 I like to enrich and looks like that, you know, that makes me feel great. Speaker 2 Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you like it, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Speaking of future episodes, we have a ton of past episodes. We have a back catalogue of well over 100 episodes. So check those out. My current favorite is Nelly Bly. She was a journalist from the early 1900s, who totally changed the industry, especially for women in the industry. Super cool story, but also kind of crazy. Some of the things that she did. We had a lot of fun in that episode. So check that out. Don't forget to subscribe, but ultimately just thanks for being here. Speaker 2 And he's not he's not it's not clear. Again, it's he claims that he's getting all these straight from global corporate. Okay, global corporate maintains that he must have had known someone at the factory that was sneaking them out of the factory sniffing out Speaker 1 pallets for him at the factory. Yeah, we checked the security camera footage, we found nothing. Yeah, we couldn't find one moving pallets. Speaker 2 Here's the thing about how the corporate structure of the company work though. PES America was really just the corporate engine. They didn't manufacture these in America, they still use the same manufacturing arm of peds global. So every time they had their license stuff, they would send it off to PES global and be like here's our stuff. And they'd print them and then ship them back to the US and be like, Okay, now you're ready to sell your stuff. And the President, remember McWeeny he had a passion project, a his own little Pez character he was designing. And he had been working on it for years prototyping this thing getting prototypes, made shipping them off to PES global to get these prototypes printed and sent over and testing and then keeps iterating on this right. Okay. Somehow, Unknown Speaker it looks just like Speaker 2 somehow glue gets his hands on these prototypes. Okay, he brings them back to the States. And he starts selling them. And he's got him at his like conference booths. And he shows up to this conference. And Steve glue has his Speaker 1 he literally goes to McWeeny and he goes This one's you Unknown Speaker he does the thing too. Unknown Speaker So these are Unknown Speaker these are some prototypes of the character that Unknown Speaker he was given his life to was a hot topic cabbie. These CB headliner, Unknown Speaker these these Speaker 1 dudes, for those listening. It's a typical cartoon character face with a huge years and a round nose. Yeah, with pink hair. And a police hat and a police like a cabbie hat or police hat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And McWeeny was like I spent years prototyping Unknown Speaker will crush in the States. But everything else Unknown Speaker I said, but this is what it's going to do. Speaker 2 But this had never hit market yet. Like he was still iterating on this idea. He was still testing it. Still working on it. Yeah, he was still working on it. And then Unknown Speaker burns need to be a little while. longer. Speaker 2 And now this guy is at his conference selling his product that he hadn't released yet his secret passion product product project, Speaker 1 I can't explain to you how much I hate that this was his secret, like you have to, you have to look at the video version of this episode, or at least Google this, to see what I'm talking about. That McWeeny Unknown Speaker devoted his life to these Speaker 1 would then tear down Steve's enterprise over this character. Speaker 2 He had another iteration that Steve also had got his hands on here. I'll pull this one in as well. So you can see this other iteration of this character. Speaker 1 Same character with red hair like normal red hair, not bright pa with a green bowl. green Unknown Speaker ball. Like the big bowl that when you watch a movie, you know a big bowl. Yeah, that Unknown Speaker one that big. Your mom Speaker 1 was loved to use. Yeah. And if you use it, she'd be like, What are you doing my popcorn bowl? Yeah, that's my that's my horrible mix Speaker 2 her rough. Porn. Yeah, sometimes m&ms If it was a really good weekend, or if it was m&ms and popcorn mom. Speaker 1 Yeah. And then you didn't realize how much of a genius she was trying to realize that she spent her whole life working on that project. For the whole family like that. You're ruined Homeward Bound by IBM, like, hey, m&ms in the popcorn. What are you doing, mom? Why don't you get the m&ms? Separate? Right. And she's like, why don't you mind your own? Speaker 4 Business? Yeah, I will take this movie Back to Blockbuster tonight. We want him to Speaker 1 go to bed. A little brat. That's what she that's what my mom would do. My mom would turn the volume up on a movie. I wasn't allowed to watch just as she would. So I would know she Unknown Speaker was watching the other room, but I wanted to watch it or Unknown Speaker you're gonna hear it and you're here. The spoilers at the Unknown Speaker end. Yeah, you're gonna know what happens. No, you're in your bedroom crying so you're holding a bullet you're holding Unknown Speaker your pillar holding turbos that you got yours got Unknown Speaker four pillows the whole house was insane. Speaker 1 Over You know, it was I went to a Pez coffee conference. And there's a little character with two bowls on his ears. And I was like, who saw my childhood? That's that's me. This is my life project. So anyway, he's got a bowl on his head. I can't believe that that's when he gave his life to so make weenie Speaker 2 was furious. And it became a personal vendetta for McWeeny to crush Steve glues. gray market pas How did you get these? Yeah, Unknown Speaker I don't know. I made them I designed them. Unknown Speaker These are my designs. They're originals. Unknown Speaker That's my design. Prove it prove Unknown Speaker it glue away I'm glue prove it we Unknown Speaker proven the winning Unknown Speaker that's your Unknown Speaker had a hot dog from McDonald's before just as insulting to his face that Unknown Speaker question. Speaker 2 And so what McWeeny does McWeeny had the idea he said he said okay, he said you're gonna you're gonna fight fire we're gonna fight fire. And so the next day Unknown Speaker I'm gonna shoot off your I'm gonna shoot your boat. I sank a whole cargo ship. Speaker 4 The only only one pallet one container the cargo ship was the rest of it was lazy boys because it was big that Unknown Speaker not the couches. Unknown Speaker So many leads on this boat. It's crazy. Unknown Speaker They weren't doing anything Unknown Speaker they were just casualties in the pegboard. Speaker 2 So the next day, he ordered 100,000 of these to be printed and shipped them to the US and was like we're selling them tomorrow. And so now this super rare Pez that was never at the market didn't exist, is now for sale for 18 cents at every grocery store in the United States. It seems Unknown Speaker like okay. I have so many other designs. Unknown Speaker I got so many other ideas. Let me tell you where to get I got another idea. You want Speaker 2 to hear my another idea? Here's I'm an entrepreneur. So I've got other ideas. You want to hear it? Sure. So what Steve does is Steve, you know, some people might say oh, yeah, corporate pas America's on me. Like I can't do any more. Speaker 1 He goes to every store in the country. A lot size elver Speaker 4 pushes about to the Michigan it like Michigan lights on fire and salute them as they've burned into the sea. Speaker 1 The cinematic shot is just odd Steve and the soft orange glow. Right in his glasses. Yeah. Speaker 2 To the image transitions that you just see peasants jumping over, overboard, burnin trying to get out and survive. Unknown Speaker They make a weird sound to a nonprofit. Oh, boy who was like okay, so how does how does Steve glue respond? Unknown Speaker Steve goes to his wife. And Steve says, Unknown Speaker Hey sunk. Not literally, don't worry. The boys are fine. Speaker 2 He says he says, he says, Honey, I have to do this honey, it's wartime. And she says he says, but there's, he said, I Steve glue. I cannot do this. He says I have to take on. I have to take on a persona. I have to take on a new me. And he says so now. I'm going to leave. I'm going to Europe. But it won't be me. Steve glue staying in the states. The Pez Outlaw is going to Europe. Unknown Speaker So he takes out this persona Speaker 2 100% cz takes on his persona, the PAs outlaw. And he's like it's all out words President vers pas outlaw who's going to win. And so he just keeps going overseas, Unknown Speaker the pairs out long. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. Unknown Speaker It keeps going overseas. Unknown Speaker Leave your wife and your kid for this. Speaker 2 He didn't leave her. He was just like, he was just like, I need you to let me do this. Like I have to pursue this. Speaker 1 If I came home, and my wife says hey, or that Queen thing I bought a couple months ago. Big expense. Yeah, yeah, I didn't like you did that. Yeah. Okay. Well, you're not gonna like this. Unknown Speaker This is gonna be worse than that. I think. I think Unknown Speaker I'm on the run Unknown Speaker because Americans after me Speaker 1 words, you got a big 10 gallon hat. And he's just like, I've he's like, Unknown Speaker I've passed off the president. You. Unknown Speaker You got any You got any child milk? The pears out law. And I'm in this town to get business done. Unknown Speaker It's the wild wild pass. Oh, yeah. Unknown Speaker For me, are you again? Because there's only two options when it comes to the Pez man. Are you in? Or do I gotta dispense of Yes. Unknown Speaker She's good. It's a good sir. But it's it's well. Oh, wait. Can we get custom Pez dispensers? I thought you can make them Yeah, yeah. I mean, they were they were Yeah. They don't make our ideas without us putting our ideas out there though. What? Speaker 1 What did you say? I was like, who your customer wants and you're like I think they make them they don't make them already. We had to customize them. Speaker 2 Oh yeah, they he did have he didn't have these you You joke but the Unknown Speaker Okay, yeah you know, it's wild Unknown Speaker I suppose just candy should you Unknown Speaker be in school right now Unknown Speaker these are banned. Speaker 3 In the US? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Scared the cops. Unknown Speaker Yeah, these these kill people. Unknown Speaker So he started going he's got them Unknown Speaker in holsters. Unknown Speaker He's just okay. So he's on. Is he on the road? Like he's not in legal trouble yet? Speaker 2 Not. It's it's gray area. Okay. Because America is not pursuing an illegal road. What they're pursuing is their Speaker 1 vigilance. Yeah, we're shutting they're not going for the law. They're going for they're going for Speaker 2 the total destruction. Yeah. And so he continues his operation. He's going overseas, he's shipping stuff back and Pez America is watching what he's doing. And they are attempting, every time he brings something in, they're like, we're gonna sell that. And so then they buy it and they start selling it and they flood the market with whatever he's buying. And so they they're trying to keep a close eye on what he's bringing in and what's rare in the US, okay, and they're like, we're gonna make it not rare. And so, pretty much every decision that they're making, after this of what Pez dispensers are going to be big in the US, which is, what did this guy bring in and try to sell? And it's hard to kind of get out that. Steve. Steve is selling it. So it's about to get pretty big, like in the it's not gonna be as rare because Steve's got it because they're trying to take them out. Speaker 1 And so after that does start to tank his business after a vicious cycle Speaker 2 of this, he kind of hangs up the hat, because he thought he could take them he thought he could keep up with them. But they're Pez, but they're Pez man. You can't you can't take on man. Yeah. And so he starts to hang up his hat. And he kind of has a moment where he realizes, you know, what, like, I could go legit. Unknown Speaker I could, I could compete, I don't Speaker 2 have to be a bad guy. Like, I could go legit. And so he goes, and he takes out a $250,000 line of credit. And he had to under $50,000 cash that he had been saving up from all this, that hidden selling prison. And he goes and he goes and goes, legit, gets his own designs, gets them legally covered, gets completely legitimate, sends them off to PES global prints a mall. And these are legitimate his own product. He's got his own line. Yeah. And what he's doing that was pretty clever. He's only doing a couple. Well, yeah, he's not doing a ton of everyone, but he's also taking already popular ones. And he's changing things about him. So he's adding different color variations of other ones. He's adding different hats or different items to them that they didn't have before. So these are his laces. So yeah, these are his designs that are Unknown Speaker done variation and like Disney, Speaker 2 Dumbo, it's not Dumbo okay. Yeah, it's rumba Unknown Speaker Okay, Speaker 2 and so he takes he takes these to market and they start selling really well because their designer brand passes from the PAs Allah Unknown Speaker you have a Steve glue. Unknown Speaker I think they're outlaw you have an outlaw Unknown Speaker was Gucci. Unknown Speaker And so, same thing, he sells these. He is starting to make good money. He's doing it legitimate Unknown Speaker in PES America is like we're gonna sell Pez copies Speaker 2 on Crushes. And then finally, that was a moment after that one where he tried to do things legitimate, where he kind of said, You know what, like, Unknown Speaker I'm out. I'm out. Speaker 2 I can't keep fighting you guys on this and trying to go back and forth like this. You guys are just killing Speaker 1 my mental health. Toll marriage. Yeah, you're just you're just, I'm, I'm an empty Pez dispenser. I'm out. Speaker 2 There's just dispense. Dispense. Dispense. We're gonna get Spence Unknown Speaker racist. Unknown Speaker How am I supposed to get sped up? Speaker 2 Okay. So he hangs it up. But five years after the fact, he realizes I think I got a story here. Yeah, I think the pens out lock and still win. And so he starts a blog. And he tells his story, okay, and he goes through all the tales, and he rides, blog posts, and it releases images of his these images look like frickin police lineups of like contraband that were captured. Yeah, he's releasing all these images of the things that he's found telling his stories, right, sure book. And then he gets a Netflix. No, it gets a Netflix documentary made about him that came out earlier this year, called the Pez outlaw. It's in his honor. And it's very good. It's worth a watch. And it tells his story. And here he is now. Unknown Speaker Oh, he's cool, though. He's using a cool old man. Unknown Speaker Yeah, he is really cool. Unknown Speaker He looks like a Portland Santa Claus. Speaker 2 And he is still campaigning in the Pez community. Speaker 1 And he says his shirt says Pez outlaw for President 2024 Yeah, Speaker 2 I'm not gonna lie. I hope he runs like legitimately. He seems to have good policy. But yeah, McWeeny ended up stepping down eventually and got replaced and pas left this chapter behind them. But the PES outlaws start here writing his blog posts and doing things in their PES community and helping grow the hobby and make a name for all told, though, over the course of his 10 years doing this, he made $4.5 million in revenue. And his biggest haul single haul was that $500,000 haul of Pez that he brought in that he purchased Wow. Unknown Speaker He never he never got sued or anything, so he didn't lose that money. Speaker 2 Well, I mean, he lost that investment. And he lost the investment in when he went legit. He invest a lot of money producing that better. So he lost that investment. But he didn't. He didn't lose it. Yeah, he didn't have any legal. Unknown Speaker Good for him, man. Speaker 2 So this is the PES outlaw, my new hero. Unknown Speaker This is who you look up to. Speaker 2 Yeah. Cool, because here's the deal. You got to think he designed this, not this. I could look up to this guy. Speaker 1 That's true. This guy, he's in the most corporate office looking thing I've ever seen in my life, too. I love Speaker 2 the idea that he got a marketing intern to come in and help him set all these up. Yeah. And he took like, Unknown Speaker pretty harsh flash lighting to Yeah, they Speaker 2 didn't have any actual lighting. He said, You got the flash. And yeah, he's like, I should be holding some shit. Speaker 1 And I is. Is peasant still in business, though. Speaker 2 Yeah, PES is still around. I haven't seen a peasant a long time, though. You said a Pez recently. No. Have you seen a Pez recently? Where are the pets? Unknown Speaker Well, I know when you get two of them close to each other. You go with this. Speaker 1 You can like and it'll it'll catch it and the other one back and forth. That's kind of cool. And do that too much. They really like when you walk away, like they come to life. Yeah. And they said too much. It turns into a particle accelerator. It will recreate them. That's actually and that's my theology. That's how we got here. Steve glue is my light Unknown Speaker steam glue is our dispenser he dispensed us Speaker 1 all right hey, I'm Alicia. Stay with us. For Speaker 2 things that are last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by ours Garnett video by Connor Betts, our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah and Tim stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at Taillon podcast is Ti ll en podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night. Transcribed by https://otter.ai


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