Alvin York | WW1 Hero Who Captured the Most German Soldiers

03-21-23
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Hey man, what's up? Have you ever heard of owl? Alvin York? Alvin your Calvin York? Is that the chipmunks last name? No, it or York? It's their dad. Alvin York. So to be clear, you think that the dad of the chipmunks name is Alvin and he made toward the chipmunks Alvin, and then the other two, Theodore, and you can name it after you. Yeah, I'm sure it's been done. That's one way to make it as if this why middle names exist. That's one way to make sure the other to know their place, I guess. Yeah, yeah, they came second and third. He that's why he's always saying Alvin Allen. Yeah, because he likes the most Okay, I'll actually just say this. Yeah, he's so mad at himself for creating talking chipmunks. Was that ever explored why they talk? Was that ever like, I don't know. Golden some radioactive stuff or whatever. There's never like the opening sequence to Powerpuff Girl said after midnight or whatever crap happened to him. No one knows how they got there. Things I Learned last night? Let me tell you about New York. Sure. Please do. Okay, so Alvin York. He is arguably one of the most unlikely war heroes the country of the United States has ever had. Okay. Which war? The war? That narrows it down, doesn't it? Yeah. World War One. Oh, the war? The Great War. Yeah, the war. He was born in 1887. To a one of those Tennessee families and they laid 82 You know, one of those. You know, I mean, you know what I wanted to see fade on I'd say like father miter and, like mill in the 1880s 1880s 1880s in Tennessee. So that family, their dad worked on a railroad. Their mom made all their clothes. And there was like, 20 of the kids. That was their lifestyle. They, each of them 1880s Hmm, every one of the 1880s that's what their lifestyle was if they were in Tennessee. Okay. Which for Tennessee, we're talking. I'm actually I'm not totally sure. Fentress County, Tennessee. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's, uh, I know where that is. Don't go don't expand further. It's no tea. So all right. You better hope you don't gotta years to Geez. That's a deep callback. Do you not remember that? The no teeth soon? Yeah. Yeah, cuz it's the Kelly Hopkins vote. Don't look at me. See if I don't know which Yeah, Kelly Hopkinsville episode 12 of our podcast when I drew a picture on the whiteboard that nobody saw because we were audio at the time. I saw it. No one had listened to it either. We had no way we wouldn't have listeners. And we're losing them by the month. Okay, great. Cool because of this. So using the dotate zone, shockingly, had a full mouth of teeth. But he his family, for some reason. His whole all of his siblings, they did nine months of school. And that was enough for them. So decided by who? I guess them I guess their parents. Enough. Nine months is plenty. Yeah. You got to spend nine months in the womb, nine months in that room. That's the schoolhouse. And then you're ready to work on the railroad. Yeah. And then you're gonna spend the rest of your months heading towards the tomb. So their dad died in 1911. In when Alvin was 24, I think is how old he would have been at the time. His two older brothers had moved away. So it kind of made him the de facto father figure out the family head of the house. Yeah, the head of household and he took it into his head. He was excited to be Oh, he just couldn't wait to become a no interesting sidebar his family. I was thinking about this when reading his lineage. is sometimes you forget just how Not old America is. Oh yeah, his his mom. He's probably got like a living grandkid. Well, his mom's dad was a deserter in the Civil War, which is so she so his mom's dad changed his name. And then his mom's grandpa was a part of the original settlers of Tennessee. Mike from Yeah. Which is insane. This guy, World War One, which is a long time ago. Sure, but not that long ago. Oh no. And then his grandma, or I guess his great grandfather settled Tennessee. Yeah, that's bonkers. Anyways, so he he kind of became the de facto same way that like the year 20 ad is closer to now than like the JFK assassination. Yeah, that's not cool. Cool. Okay. Yeah, times weird, dude. I hate it, man. Well, I mean, that's, but that's why like, that's why people in certain parts of the country, certain parts that rhyme with the mouth are so deeply entrenched in there, like, you know, the South will rise again stuff because it wasn't the old people who were saying it it was like their grandpa who was like, God, damn, I fought for this stuff. And lost and I bitter, you know? Yeah, that is that is Yeah. So anyways, Alvin, he became the man of the house. So he went working for the railroad. And the pressure of the day long all day long. The pressure got to him. He became an alcoholic and was prone to bar fights. I guess we should say saloon fights because that was the time to Tim just keeps going like, the only thing he knows of 1800s is seminar city. Like you're just like saloon fight salute. People were robbing trains, you know, they'd be out there with a stick. They'd be like, this is a stick. You know? And that's about all they do is Rob trains all day trades and go look at the dead guy at that one place in Kansas. That's it. That's all there is to do. Yeah, so sometimes I am glad social media exists. We don't gotta go look at dead people anymore for fun. Now, I can just pop on a Netflix series over a thing I don't want to watch. You know, I mean, half of the things I watch on shows or I don't want to see it, but at least I don't want to traverse the country to go see a dead guy. Yeah. That makes no sense to someone who hasn't watched our back that's fine. It's just like when I'm done creating content for new people. This is for the this is for the people. Yes. Okay, so Alvin, he is for me when I listen to 20 years in prison you look around you know windows. worth it though is net worth it? Take your hand. Feel that spot on your on your side where you got shanked last night? What are you talking? I just for video for video people. He just goes take your hand and then puts his hand just softly on his belly like he was about to be like Do you feel that shake wound shank wound Yeah, I feel the shake we would it was worth it wasn't it that stabs but that that stabbed stick? Petition to repay knives stabs take stuff. out of it. He was prone to fighting? Will he get drunk? He would fight people. Not mutual combat. I don't think at least who knows? Maybe some of them. But he in one such fight. His best friend died. I don't think he was fighting his best friend. Him and his best friend got in a fight and his best friend lost. How? How big of a person could I pick a fight with that before you would be like I'm not gonna help her with this. I would help with whatever size person so stupid I am. I am. Here's the thing. I am way too confident in myself. That's true. That's true. And so if if things went south in a moment, I I can handle this. matter. It doesn't matter. I am too confident. We're both good murderers. Both great. Both of us loose. So don't worry, you're outside the seven whatever Boulevard to podcasters does you call us A couple of my staff and his friend got in this fight and they're their age. Yeah, probably wage appropriate fights, we don't know probably so we don't know. And his best friend dies. And this impacted him a lot. His mom was very active in the local church. So he started coming to church with her, but he was not like into it. He would like show up drunk and stuff with like black guys. And you know, from the fight the night before. Pastor also had black guys but couldn't tell anybody why. And so like, the pastor is up there, and he's there. And like, they're both like we fought in the bar last night. But the pastor has to be like, I, I wrestled with God last night wrestled with the Lord. A great temptation. I'll tell you what, I had a fight with this guy. And he was so muscular and strong. Everything was in the right place. Alvin's best friend dies in this fight. Yeah, no, he's already church. Oh, that's right. He says go to church. And the pastor finds out he's a decent singer. So he gets put in like the the choir. And so he's singing every weekend at church, drunk. But he's there. It's the only time he's got courage to sing. And then one day, in the winter of 1913, his church, it was a normal chapel service. And then all of a sudden it went for 48 hours. And then people started posting on Twitter and coming across the country. Part of it? No, but they did have showed up. And they did a lot of on the platform. They wouldn't let him up. Yeah. They said you're too famous for this. So no. Oh, that's a good litmus test. Maybe I should go to the Asbury revival, and see if they let me on stage. And then that's how if I'm famous enough, did you get to talk at the yes or no, I was too famous. Put me on winter jam. That's like in your media kit didn't get to talk. So there is a revival breakout revival. They have like a revival service. Oh, the end of the last 48 hours. 1913? No, it was the end of 1913 December 1913. On January 1 1914, he has this big conversion experience. He's like, I'm leaving alcohol behind. I'm leaving the fights behind. And I'm following God. Okay. And the church he was a part of was an interesting church because it was kind of like a separatist church. They weren't associated with any other denominations. They broke off from a local Methodist church, because just a few years ago, during the Civil War, the church, the members of that church congregation, were appalled by all the people who were like fighting for slavery. And they were like, well, we don't we don't like that. We don't like any of that. And so they broke off. They started their own church, and they were like, super pacifistic. Like, sure, no violence whatsoever, because they were so against everything that happened with slavery and the Civil War. Sure. So he adopts all of those mentalities. Okay. He's like, he's like, I can't fight. I can't be violent. I can't do any of that. And then World War One starts. Yeah. And obviously, anyone below the age of 30, and above the age of 21, had to register for the draft. And so shoot, dude, do you think it was still good drafted? Now? It's 25. So we're free. We're home free. Unless things get worse. It looks like real things get bad than they up it. But right now, we're in the clear. So hopefully, that sticks around. Sorry to you. If you're in the trenches right now, five years from now, listen to our old podcast, Shree living the memory and you're just like freaking eatin bugs and stuff. Yeah. Jared, I want you to reach down, feel the stamp. And remember, great. No, don't make me laugh. Do you like the idea that in five years, so society's collapsing of the word poor, and we're still listening to your podcast? I didn't like the first part. I liked the bit. I don't like the idea. I don't like Oh, I like The idea that our society would collapse that's fun, downloaded them all onto an mp3 player. We've got old headphone wired headphones that we're wearing in the war in the war, because I just assumed Bluetooth won't work anymore. We broke it. The war broke Bluetooth. Yeah, imagine the headlines. But whatever we're reading the headlines on still works. Isn't that well, real paper? Oh, okay, bro. stone tablets, chiseled. False fast. So. So he gets drafted. Well, in the draft when he registered for the draft. He's 29. Now he's just barely in the cutoff. Yeah, when he registers. There's a line for conscious conscientious objectors. And so he said, Do you claim an exemption? And if you do specify your grounds, and so he wrote in remember, he went to school for nine months. So he wrote, yes, don't want fight. Don't want fight and they said, Cool. You're going to war? You sound dumb enough to be on the frontlines. Let's do it. They said they said you sound like your parents taught you more about guns than words. So let's have you go now use it was a horse he wasn't a soldier. He had another guy. And they made a made to you know, I just so I just imagine being so your oars, the turbine frontlines. Pit, and they're like, are those soldiers is that the Calvary coming in? The American Calvary. There's so many of them. Wait a second. Those aren't horses or other horses. Those are? Those are men. Those are boys. Nay, men, and none of them have teeth. Okay, so you don't have to fight. You just gotta you gotta run with a fighter on your back. Don't worry. He's small. Small guy. It'll be like you can carry. He's like, Well, yeah, horse jockeys are small dudes. They are they're a little. Hey, we want to figure out what the best episode until it is. 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So please do that text Taylan to 66866 or go to tell n.com right now so he, he gets the objector status. But the problem is in World War One. If you got objection or status, you still had to serve in the war, you just didn't have to be violent. So you would like carry stuff around camp and drive. And stuff like to be part of the war. You're still part of it, but you're just not pulling the trigger. And they're like, that's fine. You're not you know, doing it. And after World War One, they were like, We don't want to do that either. And then in World War Two, they were like, okay, you don't have to do anything. You're not gonna do anything. Just stand by, yeah, you can be at home. Sure. But in World War One, they're like, You still gotta go. And so he still had to go. And while he was, he got shipped off. And you know, wars happening. His commanding officer was also a religious person. And he basically coerced him into not being a pacifist anymore. He was like, God loves war. I read the Old Testament. And he was like, Yeah, right. God does love war. And so then he was like, why don't you go home for like two weeks. Talk to your family, some people, pray about it, pray about it, think about it, and then come back here and just kill a bunch of people. And so he did. He went home for a couple of weeks, got leave, prayed about it, talk to his pastor a little bit and came back and said, kept coming back ready to kill it. They say that well, he didn't say that but okay, but he did say, I'm, I'm okay to sure I'm feel good fighting. And so he gets put in coach, he gets put into company g of the 328th infantry at second division. And he gets shipped off to he does a couple battles, you know, you know how war is there's multiple battles. But eventually he on October 8 1918, he was a part of the Meuse Argonne offensive. Okay, so that right. And his battalion was trying to capture what was known as Hill 223, which was in France, along this railroad, like strategic railroad that they were trying to capture, okay, military. And in the middle of this encounter, there was an enemy machine gun position, like fortified position that had pinned them down, and they were shooting out artillery at them, and they couldn't progress any further. And so the captain selected a group of 13 of his men, one of them being Alvin, and then for other officers at the time ovens a corporal and then for other officers to try to flank them. And, sure, take down that position. And so they go, they they go into spanking route, and they get seen, and the machine guns opened fire on them, and four of all four of the officers were killed. Three other soldiers were injured. And so now there's, what seven of them left, he becomes the commanding officer because he's the next in line after all the injuries, okay. And the other people that were with him, he describes he describes his experience in the war with a lot of the other people were super young, that were in the war. They were all like 2021. Yeah. And he said that they often would kind of freeze up in these situations. And so everybody else he was with froze up, dove into cover, and he just laid down in the brush with his handgun because he somehow lost his rifle on the exchange with his hand gun. Against this four to five machine gun position. They said there's probably a dozen machine guns up there. He started just mowing people down with his handgun because his whole life, he was backwoods Tennessee, she has little pins and squirrels stuff, so he was an incredible shot. And so he's just sitting there every time he sees someone poke their head out, and he's just clearing this fortified with a handgun with a handgun. Okay, and just reloading his handgun, taking them out, killed a couple dozen German soldiers. And eventually, one of their, like the commanding Lieutenant at this fortified position, jumps up and empties a whole clip to try to take him out and just misses the entire thing. And so then he yells out and he says English. And Alvin says no American it's good to know that that person has always existed English red blooded American. Which that does like a movie, though, to be honest, does Pretty cool. Pretty cool. series like those speaking. And he was like, ah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess. And he's like, he's like, he's like, lay down your arms and we'll surrender. And so he's like, I don't know what to do this. They're attached to me. I don't know where you want me to lay down your gun. And so one by one, the German shoulder soldiers start standing up from behind this. He just know from behind the trenches. One of them does actually try to toss a grenade at him and so that guy tosses grenade and he just shoots shot him on the spot, and like rolled out of the way that grenade and then everybody else was like, okay, sorry, what do you need? And they really shot the guy on the spine rolled out of like a like the guy threw a grenade at him and he was really shot the guy and rolled away from the grenade like Rambo. And then everyone else is like, all the Germans are like so what do you got that guy retired about? That's what happened. And so they also rendered this whole encampment surrendered. And you're one guy with a handgun ended up being 132 German soldiers. And none of them could count but there's no way he's gonna 132 bullets in this thing. They were just what happened was they were like, we can't kill this guy. Because they had A dozen machine guns shooting at this one dude. And he's just knocking everybody out. Their commander steps up and tries to do it and he misses every shot. But this guy's not missing a single shot, that he would throw a grenade and try to grenade. And so they took 132 German soldiers back to Kim and they just marched them along all seven of these guys. Yeah. He's up there like, Ba ba ba ba. That's what his brain thinks. Yeah. Oh you fellas know where we were staying? You guys got the room key turns out on last night he he said that he was nervous coming back to their camp. Because they had 132 German soldiers. It was gonna look like they were favored attacking. Yeah. But luckily, they saw him up front. And he was like, he was like English like a American. American. So they marched back in. And the general and on the site was like, Did you capture the whole German army son? And he's like, Nah, sir. Only 132 What do you do with a put them in our other prisoner of war camp, okay. And this enabled the American victory in that battle, they were able to then progress past that point and win that battle. And so he had to put them in cages, either. They were also scared of this guy. You know, they were terrified, kind of like an electric fence with a dog. You know, eventually you can take away dogs just like, Yeah, I don't need to go anywhere near that. That's fine. So he earned a Distinguished Service Cross for this, which later an investigation was done on what happened. They interviewed all the witnesses and stuff. And like, oh, no, he needs the Medal of Honor. And so I gave him the Medal of Honor for this, which was wild, because he, I mean, not even a year ago was like, Yeah, I don't believe in violence. And then he became a Medal of Honor recipient. And took what I don't know if this for sure. But what is probably the largest amount of POWs captured by a single person in one go. That's a huge amount. Yeah, and one succession versus fantasy stats. Yeah, no, I gotta check my fantasy platoon. He ended up he ended up receiving DraftKings putting out a bet. And how many pow is this tendency kids gonna get? It eventually got over 50 Like commendations in his career, and became a game home. And when he came home from the war, it was like a humble homecoming. And then somebody in Tennessee found out about what he did. And they wrote an article about it. And then he became like, super hero. Yeah, and everybody it was a hail. Hey, welcome back from the war. What happened? You know, it's just war, or, yeah, I was really just a pencil pusher when you really think about it was one guy who thought I wasn't you guys know we speak English. And so he, he he because of his fame. He started a nonprofit organization for Tennessee youth to be able to get to go to school. What probably was the scar from him not realizing the guy. Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's like, wow, that hurt me more than me killing that guy with a gun. I mean, like he killed to hurt me more. Yeah, I know that I kill a lot of your friends. But you cut me deep with that. Like no idiot. English that you speak it. But yeah, this is Alvin. Is not him now. 28 Yeah, this is him then. That's a 28 years old. Yeah, man. We are doing good. It depends. It depends what season of the world. This is war time. So you know, he does he wasn't doing it. I saw some guy talking about it. This is interesting. You brought this up. I saw like I talked about this on tick tock. I'm interested your thoughts on this. Okay, he was talking about how like people who live through situations like this and their life. Our he used the terms domesticated and wild. He said these people are wild. He said people who live in situations like ours are domesticated because they don't have like insane hardships that they have to go through in their life. And he says So these kind of tick tock Are you watching? What kind of Wild at Heart meds conference crap. Are you listening to? Maybe like me, the best thing He's like this. We're just domesticated. This is a real wild man. Okay, no, but his point his point was like, if you look at the difference between a domesticated dog and a wild dog, they have different features and different they act differently because one of them all their needs are met the other one they have to meet all their own needs and their own survival and so they have some millionaire talk on this podcast, right? Oh, I don't think you I don't think it looks like he could have been and it would have been a left field surprise millionaire, you know, like one of those ones where like, I imagined I imagined it's two bros. In like, oversized hoodies just sitting there one of them's like, yeah, bro. I mean, like, Dude, you got to think about people like freaking Alvin chipmunk, right? Who is a wild man. And really, when you think about it, like girls only went wild, man. We're just domesticated now, bro. I don't want to do messenger domesticate. I'm not done. I've broken. I'm wild. Released. I freaking I've been delivered. I got I got in touch with the sun dude. And like the natural rhythms of nature. And, and that's, you know, I'll tell you what, one of the hardest things I ever went through. hardest thing I ever went through was when one of my seven rental properties one of them want to cheaper rent. And I was like, you I can look at hardships and I can go this sucks. Or I can go this is gonna make me why Yeah, you're making me wild right now. It's on the phone. He's on the phone with this tenant. He's like, You're gonna make me wild. You want to pay 50 bucks less above ground free and here's why it's Bing. You need to move your landlord. Yeah, dude, my landlord. Why? My landlord came over shirtless, ripped shirt. And was just ripping grass out of the yard. Guys are the yard. Yeah, what did his mouth dirt hanging out but everywhere. Like hair pops in his chest. You know? That what kind of tick tock Do you watch? And that's what I'm saying. Dude. I'm just curious. What do you think about that? I don't know, man. There's two dogs inside all of us. You know? And they're fighting. Yeah, which one's gonna win? Which one's gonna win? The wild? That's wild. The wild it's not the little Beagle. It's not the one you see. You feed is domesticated. That's the message. Yeah. When you feed domesticated and now you've ruined that dog feed that dog. Don't let the starve or become wild. Do you want to be you want to be a little last year? Do you want to be a snow doc? You just gave an example of two domesticated dogs. Yeah, domesticated. Dogs are cooler dogs. was outside. Do you want to be you want to be a snow dog or be a snow dog? Or you want to be a service animal for middle aged white lady in Indiana? Who definitely paid a lot of money for a service dog. She has zero mental health. Do you want to be a snow? physical disabilities want to be a snow dog? Or do you want to be air but yeah, dude, I probably want to be here but it's a real man. Anyways, so that's Alvin, Alvin York. I want to be honest, this was all a segue I want to talk about Polish is the Polish War hero. Poland's got a big war hero too. Okay, nickname the bear. His name is Vojtech. How are we in this episode? About 30 minutes? This is where you're pivoting? Yes. Okay, so, bear Yeah, so this guy sounds wild. Poland has a word here though. As the name is Vojtech, can you say that Vojtech? Yeah that's a cool Dora the Explorer me again dude. Are gonna wild Okay, so voice the bear the bear. Here's a picture of him. He's the one that something boy duck, the bear. He's an actual bear What are you talking about? The bear I thought it was I was a guy holding him. No, they didn't call him they did call him the bear because he was like a tough guy. They call them back because he was a literal bear. And he was the war hero. So, here's an avid at the beginning of World War Two we're talking about war bear right now. We got to make a movie this already I don't know the story, but it's gonna be called Modern Warfare. So, a group of Polish soldiers were released from the Soviet Union. They were prisoners of war in the Soviet Union. They were running a train back on the train ride. There was a little boy on the train, who had a bag, like a bag with him. And one of the soldiers was like, Hey, son, why is your bag moving? And he was like, Well truth be told, I found a burqa. No way. And he's got a bear cub in the bag. And he's like, I think some hunters killed his mom. So I picked it up. And I and for some reason, they were like, ready to take that bear son. Soldiers were like, Babe your price. So they traded a few bucks. Like some drinks and a bar of chocolate for this. Season drinks How was this kid? Like, there was like juice. Waiting cover for a dude. Polish preserves award. They're gonna give a kid alcohol in exchange for a baby. Just like here's a flask. Dude, I mean, freakin you've got a small bear in your backpack. Another dude, imagine you don't trade the soldiers. Right? If you go to second grade, some kid next year is pulling out a teddy bear. And you pull out a teddy bear. Oh, that's cool. Oh, that's nice. My players gonna literally kill your bear. Can you imagine being a teacher on Shawntel day and even the bear did. He was on the ground. And then he goes and the bears just like Bear in around whatever bear do bears are pretty chill. They are pretty chilled. And so these soldiers my apartment complex is gonna be so mad they find out about my inflatable hot tub, and why I paying pet red for that. Hey, thanks for checking out this episode. If you're enjoying it, make sure you subscribe. And while you're at it, leave a comment if you're watching on YouTube. Or if you're listening, leave a review that stuff really helps a lot. It really boosts us in the algorithms. And make sure a lot more people get to see what we're doing. And so we appreciate that a ton leave that comment, leave that review. And we'll see you in next episode so the these soldiers they they started raising this bear. They got they ended up on like backing camp like, you know, not doing any war stuff because they just got back from war prison. Okay, it's got some time, chill, recoup. And so they're raising this bear. And it became kind of like a part of their company. They were the squad. Yeah, they were the unit. They're 3522 of the 22nd artillery supply company. And so this bear was like a part of them. The three the 3552. And so they they raised this bear and the bear. I mean, it was 1940s Poland. And so they the bear like started mimicking all the soldiers. So the bear would drink beer. A lot of beer. And the bear would what kind of beard is the bear? Like? I don't know, Bush. Maybe Oh, that bush is that's our that's airband blush. That's our bear beer. And so yeah, the bear would drink beer. And they would eat like cumin food, like whatever they would give the bear whatever they had that was sugar for them. And then it really enjoyed marmalade honey syrup, but also very much enjoyed smoking cigarettes. They would give the bearer cigarette, and they would light it and he would take a puff and then eat the burning cigarette. The interesting thing is if they tried to give him an unlit cigarette He would spit it out. He's like, give me a lit cigarette. I want them. Because this bear this bear because they got him at such a young age. I thought he was one of them, like, and so he's like I see them all with the lit cigarettes. And they're putting them in their mouth. And they must be eating them. And so he was just trying to fit in. He was trying to be a part of the culture. Now, yeah, I remember when I was a freshman in high school, and I ate a lit cigarette to try to fit in with some kids. Oh, these kids. Oh, all the cool kids are smokers are eaten cigs. Hey, kids. Oh, yeah. were you just talking about it at lunch? You've never been around a cigarette day in your life. Like Oh, yeah. Did I eat a whole pack? Excuse me? Yeah, you threw back like a whole pack of whole pack of marbles. J marbles, marbles. A whole pack of marble. Marble marble burrows. Yeah, yeah, I eat six. Yeah, I love them. Great. Burn on the way down. You know, your your E cigarettes. I like spicy. Oh, you're not poser. Yeah, you lose her. See at the skate park. Right over the bathroom is great, you know? Holy cow. But yeah, so he boy Nick is the or void. What is Voytek? Vojtech void Texas the name that they gave him. It's actually kind of cool. It comes from Hold on, let me scroll down and get this right. It comes from like a local phrase, which means happy warrior. And so yeah, so it grew up alongside them and became like their mascot. And everybody in the community loved him. He actually wrestled with the soldiers. And they were good circles that wrestle this full grown brown bear. And then like, if it was really cold, is the sweetest little bear. If it was really cold, it would find its favorite soldiers, and it would come snuggle up with them at night to keep them warm. Like some really like gentle giant bear, you know? Yeah. Then he killed the whole I know how the stories go. Well, there was this, the the 22nd Company of the 35.2 they got sent out to the Italian campaign in the in the war. And for some reason that I don't I want to know more context about why I haven't been able to find it for some reason, but bear comes with no for some reason. Poland had a policy that mascots and pets aren't allowed on their ships already. So apparently, that was already a policy. No, no, no, not after last month war goat. Okay, so I'm we're drawing bringing the bill No, not on this boat. All right, no, go to this boat. And so the company they enlisted him and the Polish army and it worked. So what do you show but his ID it is like, and they're like, Wow, you're really hairy. So you got officially drafted into the Army became a private, private Vojtech. He had he had his own paper book rank serial number. And he lived with the other men on the ship. Or sometimes they put him in a wooden crate depending on the scenario, but normally what the other men in the 22nd division. And so everybody else, there's like a lot of divisions on the ship. There's the boat. Imagine day like 17 on your journey on the boat day to kind of cool. It's cool. There's a bear in amplitude. That's really neat. That's pretty funny. They found a bear cub and they raised it as their own day. 17 You're like, holy crap, that's a real they're not joking. I've seen like I've added day 17 You didn't know there's a bear and 22nd company and you like go into the latrine. You know and it's just pee and this is in there. It knows what to do. You're just like we're in the middle of the ocean. Are you a sea bear? Okay. The pair turns around and goes. Well, they did teach it to salute. So it's a higher rank than you do. You got to salute the bareback. Alright, sorry. Yes sir sorry. Well, it wouldn't mimic those other soldiers. So this this bear walked on its hind legs and like marched in formation with the other soldiers. Yeah. So like, do all the things and they get out to the frontlines. And at the Battle of Montecasino. And this the 22nd company, they were an artillery supply company. So their main job was to supply the artillery guns in the frontline. And so they were burying crates of artillery up to the front lines. And he saw the rest of his company doing that. And so he starts picking up crates of artillery, and carrying it up to the gun positions and following soldiers because he's like, Well, that's what we're all doing. He's like, I'm one of you. And so no, you're joking. After this battle, he got promoted to a rank of corporal because of his service in the battle, it was pivotal in the battle he was he could carry more than everybody so he was carrying more ammunition than the Emeralds like Frick, man, he didn't even work out that 3522 division change there insignia for the audio listener, it's a bear holding a missile. Does the outline of a bear holding a missile here? That's what you're missing out. It looks like a military patch. And it says 3522 And then yeah, it's the wow, I want that on a hat. So so cool. And after the war, they they made dozens of these statues of this bear carrying looking so happy to everyone else is like freaking spreading because like you're gonna die here. Get us the front lines now. Okay. This bears just like anybody got I'm hungry. I'm so glad you'd made me go home with that kid. Can you imagine what I'd be carrying his house? Okay, happy that bear looks so happy. So where's that bear today? So after the war, they took them to the zoo. And the zoo? was like, yeah, we'll put them with our other brown bears. Yeah, no, we'll make them a zookeeper. They put them on the other brown bears. And he hated it. He couldn't connect with them. Yeah, they couldn't connect with him. You know why? They were domesticated. And he was wild. He first and they're like, No, we're, we're wild. You're domesticated. And he goes, have you guys have you guys seen someone get shot his little napkin that he eats with? You know, he's like, no, no, I don't think you know, the things I've seen. Will you pass me? So they had to create a new enclosure just for him. So that way, the other bears didn't mess with them. Because they didn't they didn't get along. So you got a private enclosure. And the 35/22 division was like we want to see him. Well. They would come visit him all the time. And they would jump the fence and go wrestle with him and bring him cigarettes and beer and just hang out with him in the zoo. All right. Come on over here. You're a second grade teacher. All right, kids, come on over here. And so we got the brown bears, you know, the brown bears. They live in this part of the country. And oh, nine. One of the zookeepers is down there feeding that bear. Let's see what he's feeding probably salmon. You know? I think that is light cigarettes. Okay, kids. So suddenly, this is this is a let's talk about peer pressure. Okay. Just saying no, this is how Derek got started. The dare bear Yeah, so this guy would act became a war hero in Poland in his own right. The warfare, the horror bear. Yeah, but um, he ended up in 1963. He passed away the long time though. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Successful war bear. The most successful war bear in history. It makes you think, you know? I mean, you know, where do we find a bear cub? Apparently on a train into Poland. What other podcasts just has a bear sitting in the corner? Like a guest? Dude Alex's getting kind of expensive audio engineers a literal bear. Yeah. You think we're joking, but he's a literal bear. Yeah. We're gunning for that top podcast spot Three Bears not wild it's pretty domestic that's not cool at all man brought us wild man. Yeah, that's the best. Yes. Sounds pretty domestic it's a scale. It's just like what? The scale All right, does that we want to end on those of your last words before you're mauled by a bear. It's just like yeah, it's one of the more most impressive things is that in the middle of that campaign in Italy, Italy also had a war Tiger there's more time here and bigger animals from Italy. You were like roaches or Mike or that award tiger and the Italians you know how they are their art see? Hey, see ya. God they're better things on last night is a production of space. 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Alvin York is one of the most unlikely heroes of World War I. He was a simple, uneducated farmer from Tennessee who was drafted into the army in 1917. York was a pacifist and opposed the war, but he was eventually convinced that it was his duty to fight for his country. York’s heroism in battle is the stuff of … Read More

This Man – Have You Seen This Man In Your Dreams?

03-14-23
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Unknown Speaker 0:00 Hey man, what's up? I'm so excited for this intro. Okay, have you heard of this man? Unknown Speaker 0:11 There's no picture Unknown Speaker 0:12 there's not a picture. No, just have you heard of this Unknown Speaker 0:20 this man, have you heard of this man? This man, this man, the one who lives on Drury Lane? Unknown Speaker 0:27 Yeah Unknown Speaker 0:29 I have heard of this man Unknown Speaker 0:31 this man I truly know. Now this man I will he might actually Unknown Speaker 0:38 last time I flew southwest guy next we brought five guys on the smelliest of foods and sat middle row. Shoes off. Unknown Speaker 0:46 There's a pretty good chance that this man is going to be dreams. Unknown Speaker 0:49 Watch the TV we will chant a zip holy cow. Things I Learned last night Unknown Speaker 1:09 this man, this is a weird story, bro. I might knowing you. I can't tell if this is going to scare you or not. Okay, this might be scary for you. So consider that your disclaimer. Proceed. Unknown Speaker 1:28 All right. Let's let's get it this man. This man is this like a frickin like Slenderman kind of thing or something like that. Unknown Speaker 1:38 I'm kinda but worse. Maybe worse. I kinda I don't know. Unknown Speaker 1:44 Hey, man. You might have nightmares after this ghost story. I'm about to tell you. Oh, man. I don't know. How do you feel about chainsaw murderers? Ah, all right, roll. Yeah. What are you talking about? Unknown Speaker 1:58 Okay, so we'll, we'll take it to the beginning of the story, I guess, January 2006. Unknown Speaker 2:06 Now, that's way too recent. I don't like this already. Let's bail. Handle scary stuff from like the 70s and stuff, you know, because that's like people were done back in 2006. You know, people at least. Alright, go ahead. Unknown Speaker 2:24 So in January 2006, a psychiatrist in New York, had a client who reported that she was having these reoccurring dreams. And in those dreams, there was this man that was present in the dream, okay. And in the dreams, he was pretty benevolent, and would always kind of guide her out of the dream and be like, Hey, by the way, this is none of this is real. This is a dream. Dubai, and then she'd wake up. And she was like, it doesn't really matter what the dream is like. She's like, it's it's a reoccurring dream because this guy shows up. But the dream itself isn't real. He's the recurring thing. He's the recurring thing. So he shows up in all these different dreams. What is the dream? And he shows up. So the psychiatrists sketched the man according to her description, and this is who this man is, and what he looks like. Which is yeah, very uncomfortable. Unknown Speaker 3:22 It's not scary to audio listeners. It isn't face. It kind of is scary. It's a guy who's balding, bald, bald, like an IT guy. He's got math teacher, who was also an IT guy. His eyebrows are huge, like up big. Yeah. Yeah. Super thick eyebrows and almost a unibrow. Unknown Speaker 3:44 Very squished head. But very wide face. Yeah, his head is not very tall. But his face is very, but Unknown Speaker 3:50 he looks like I mean, he looks like he's a human person. He's normally his head isn't cartoon shaped or whatever. It's like a normal old Unknown Speaker 3:58 his mouth is a little wide. His mouth does seem a little wider than probably that might just Unknown Speaker 4:02 be how bad of a sketch artist she is. She's a psychiatrist. Yeah, that's Unknown Speaker 4:06 possible. Okay, and so they kind of continued having sessions and he kept coming up. And it was something that was Unknown Speaker 4:15 Was she kept being like, well, this man. Up me, he kept coming up. Unknown Speaker 4:22 I don't know, he kept coming up in her dreams. And they kept having sessions. She was logging the sessions. Unknown Speaker 4:28 And then she started having dreams. Unknown Speaker 4:31 She didn't start having dreams. But she was talking to a couple of her colleagues. And they said, Hey, we have patients that are having similar things where they have no same sort of thing. Like the guy shows up at the end of the dreams, guides them out of their dream and have Unknown Speaker 4:50 you ever had a recurring dream? Yeah, I've Unknown Speaker 4:52 had a few Haven't we talked about? Unknown Speaker 4:53 I think we did. That's why I was like, man, is this the guy from my dream? Unknown Speaker 4:58 Does he look like him? Unknown Speaker 4:59 I told you about my record. and dream does he look like him? Yeah, no, he he didn't have a discernible like, well I don't know. He was wearing like, I can only describe as like a mobster. You know, like whatever that hat is hat Yeah, not fedora. But yeah, like I imaginable leaning out the side of a car like die. But I would wake up in my room and he'd be in the corner of my room. Yep. Yep. It would be like it's over. And then wake up. Which that was the one where you killed your parents right now my parents I kill a random set of parents. Oh, that's Unknown Speaker 5:39 right. That's right. Yeah. Because there was the kids. Unknown Speaker 5:41 Yeah, you remember this very vividly. Wow. Unknown Speaker 5:44 You told me this story a few times. Yeah. Yeah. I had the dream to I was the kids in the dream, though. I had the dream, but the kids weird. And so Unknown Speaker 5:56 it was about a year and I don't know what it was like, 2009 2010 when that happened? Unknown Speaker 6:02 So she she said, Well, hey, I sketched him. Do you want to bring this? Like, take a photocopy of the sketch? Unknown Speaker 6:09 Imagine imagine you're talking to yourself, okay. Let's just go with it. For as I go, you go and you can find it. Your psychiatrist. You're like, Hey, man, this weird dude, you've sharpened my dreams, your multiple sessions. And your psychiatrist has gotten this sketch from the other psychiatrists. And then your psychiatrist goes, is it and now you're suddenly and it looks just like, suddenly your whole reality is shaking. Dude. I would poop my pants. I would like what do you even do? Oh, you mean this man? Oh, you mean? This man? I think I would impulsively kill my psychiatrist. I would just start. Oh my gosh, you're the result. There's real wake up. Wake up wake. This man. I would cause like, a psychotic break in me. Are you joking? All right, go ahead. What happens? Unknown Speaker 7:06 They show him they surely and the clients are like you have that's the guy. Unknown Speaker 7:10 Wow. I hate that. And so this how many clients? Unknown Speaker 7:16 I don't know at this point. It's a couple a handful. So this group of psychiatrists gets together and they write it up, put out this paper, and a handful of other psychiatrists they put out Unknown Speaker 7:25 a wanted poster. Have you seen this man? Unknown Speaker 7:29 A handful of other psychiatrists pick it up and they're like, this sounds familiar. And so they started printing out the mixtures and bringing it to their clients. Now this is spray because it's Unknown Speaker 7:41 scary or not but I've got something to show you. Freakin what all they put it in the oil stuff. Yeah, like what do you like? Unknown Speaker 7:51 And what do you think when you see this? Oh, voice gets deeper when you see what do you think? What do you is this? What do you think when you see this? Unknown Speaker 8:25 Move your arms Unknown Speaker 8:33 Oh, I love that no one gets this. That's for patrons do some of our Patreon supporters get it? There's a very specific comedy special that we reference. And we've only told our Patreon supporters what it is. So if you want to know what it is support us on Patreon. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 8:51 it's somewhere in the bowels of our Discord right now. Unknown Speaker 8:57 And we'll also show you this guy on Patreon that saves you he doesn't show up in your dreams, if he's Unknown Speaker 9:04 a big idea will kill him into drinking. Will kill this meeting your dreams. Unknown Speaker 9:13 Have you seen this man? Actually, yeah. And then my favorite podcasts? Were also there. They killed him. And he was there. He was there. All right, anyway. So some people will pick it up some more psychiatrists, hey, all like in different regions or just that area all Unknown Speaker 9:35 around the world. They start picking it up because they publish this and all around the world. They start picking it up. And these people start writing the authors and they're like, Hey, mind to like my client too. Yeah, is it's happening. And so this started to become kind of a phenomena. And so a website was put together called this man.org. And on it, it just had that composite sketch. It had a form and it said Have you dreamt of this man? Tell us about your experience. And over the course of about three years that this was up, roughly 3000 people came forward and said that they had dreamt of this man. What was interesting is the results from the website. Once they started submitting for the website, they started to vary a little bit. It seemed before the website was established that he was mostly benevolent like he was he would show up at the end of people's dreams and guide them out of their dreams. Yeah. Once it was on the website, there was a bunch of those, but there was also some where he would just like, be there. And like, they'd be like, yeah, he's just kind of in the background of all my dreams, or like, just kind of observing. Or there were other ones where, like, there's a particularly famous account. I don't know why, but there's a particular famous account, where she says that she was having a flying dream and he was flying alongside her the whole time. Unknown Speaker 10:57 And what is he wearing? We always see a picture of his head trenchcoat. What's he wearing in these dreams? Unknown Speaker 11:03 I don't know. Look, I Unknown Speaker 11:04 imagine a green polo and khakis khaki. Unknown Speaker 11:08 Yeah, definitely. khakis Unknown Speaker 11:10 tucked in. You know, the person who wears their pants too high. Yeah, you know, because they're just thin, thin. A little over their waist is you know, talking about like, like those stick people. Yep. And they don't know where to stop. So he's just got way too high. Black Belt. brown shoes. You Unknown Speaker 11:25 knew Sanders. Green Polo is Unknown Speaker 11:28 not Oracle do what the heck. Unknown Speaker 11:31 Sepinwall watches his left arm, Unknown Speaker 11:33 and he still does the bands from you know, 2000 it was just six years really into silly bands. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 11:39 He says, Hey, you're dreaming. Also, look at this. This is an Unknown Speaker 11:41 elevate your true blue. This is crazy. Unknown Speaker 11:51 He just flying, his arms are straight. And he's like, hello. Like, this is a dream right now. You're doing your doctor Usami I am this Have you seen this man? Unknown Speaker 12:06 So they get like, the all these entries. And then there were a handful, where he was actually malevolent. And he was like killing people. And is interesting in those accounts, because even though he was killing people and doing malevolent things in their dreams to them, they felt like he was still trying to get them out of the dream. But he was taking more extreme measures in that case with them. For whatever reason, they're like, Let me kill you. So you wake up. Unknown Speaker 12:37 Having a great dream. Beach. You know, you're driving in a convertible, it's, you know, wind in your hair, you can smell the salt of the ocean. Like this is awesome. And then just the guy you look over the passenger seat, there he is polo, just he's just like, Unknown Speaker 12:55 you need to wake up. Now. It's time to wake up, unbuckle your seatbelt. Unknown Speaker 13:02 Word yanked the wheel. Unknown Speaker 13:09 All right. And so because of this was just kind of a public forum. The psychiatrists are like, well, there's probably some people who are faking it like this. We can't rely 100% on these results. Unknown Speaker 13:21 I filled out 2000 forms. Unknown Speaker 13:24 I've seen I've seen I've seen. Yes, yes. Yes. Well, Unknown Speaker 13:30 exercise a world building. They Unknown Speaker 13:32 check they check. They had a system in there that checked their Wi Fi to see if they've been logged in. And if not, after 30 days, it logged them out. And then they were like, Unknown Speaker 13:42 oh, yeah, my this man subscription ended, because sharing passwords too much. Yeah. So now my parents have to have their own this man. Yeah. Hey, thanks for being here for this episode of things I learned last night. If you like this, and you want to check out other episodes, please go through our back catalogue. There's literally like 100 and something episodes, you can go check out. One of my favorites is Stanley Meyer, a guy who allegedly invented a water powered vehicle and then took that invention everywhere and then mysteriously died. So we go through the whole theories of why it could have happened to him or like why his idea was plausible, not plausible, really great episode. But other than that, thank you so much for being here and checking out this one. Unknown Speaker 14:28 So in 2009, now, this for whatever reason, went viral. And so in October of 2009, in a matter of a couple of weeks, the website got 2 million visits. How many form submissions, like 10,000 submissions of people claiming to FCM at that point, it's it's hard to say if it's legit or not, because it's now probably just have a bunch of internet trolls that are submitting stuff. Sure. And because it went viral, it kind of became like a meme. And a bunch of people started making Seeing, like animating what they think he would actually look like. So Unknown Speaker 15:03 would that then cause more dreams to happen? Unknown Speaker 15:07 Well, that's interesting. We can get to some theories about why it was happening and but yeah, some people who knew how to like animate were like, This is what it looks like, if you want to see not just not just a bomber so this is a more realistic version of what he looked like, which is scary. It is scary. He is so pay. This is what I would think slender man's face would look like. Honestly, if Slenderman had to face Unknown Speaker 15:37 Gosh, man. He looks like if you drew the IRS, you know, we're like, what do you think the IRS looks like as a person? That's it? I mean, that's 100% painfully accurate. Yeah, it looks like a less cool agent. What's the agents name? And matrix? Oh, in? Unknown Speaker 15:57 Oh, Katarina casting, Unknown Speaker 16:01 you know, talking about though. Unknown Speaker 16:03 He called him Mr. Henderson. But what was his name, agent? Unknown Speaker 16:06 Man anyway, looks like a boring version of that. Like if you can make that that suit and that matrix person a little more boring? Yeah. And maybe it's Agent Smith. That's right. If you made Agent Smith live with his parents for like 10 years longer than he did, then, you know, balding? Unknown Speaker 16:25 Yeah, that's very accurate. And he's kind of coming over like he's probably more bald. His eyes are too big. His mouth is too big. His brow is too big. His ears are too big. Yeah, his head is really small. Here's one of the hips going around a corner Unknown Speaker 16:42 he's too close to the camera. This guy listens to Jordan Peterson podcast. This guy he's very well done. Oh my gosh. Unknown Speaker 16:58 I like it. Very chewy. Yeah, wispy. Unknown Speaker 16:59 His hair is no Oh, I hate that one. Yeah, cuz that feels like the last thing. You see a freeway, where he's just like, he's like, he's coming towards you. And he's like, wake up, wake up by makeup. He looks at the guy that you're walking to the sidewalk. And it's like one of you has to move and he refuses to walk. And like you kind of do that awkward. Like, oh, you know, sorry. He's just full three shoulder walk right into you. Unknown Speaker 17:21 Yeah, because he didn't make eye contact. Unknown Speaker 17:24 He's looking straight at you in that one. I don't like that picture. Get that out of here. Geez. Unknown Speaker 17:30 So yeah, so allegedly, those were made by this man dreamers. Right. Which is what we're calling him from now on until this man Unknown Speaker 17:39 dreamers one day what do you think his name is? Freakin you know? Pete? No, he wouldn't go by a short version of he'd be Peter for sure. But, Archibald I was thinking something more like yeah, Maxwell you know shows up on Oprah. And is like Yeah, and so it's it would appear that I've gotten a viral mega viral and Unknown Speaker 18:10 everybody sees me in their sleep Unknown Speaker 18:13 yes it's very interesting to me What are you didn't x well? Oh well that's that's a good question. I I I used to run a used to be the top executive at a a digital video discs supplier Unknown Speaker 18:40 What about now though? Unknown Speaker 18:41 Oh now i i run some food management that is responsible for the highest distribution of meat and bones in the nation. Nation what a nation it all of them I think Unknown Speaker 19:02 all of the nations have I heard of it. Unknown Speaker 19:05 Well, I'm not here to talk about what my employment status is. Unknown Speaker 19:09 I'm not gonna lie Maxwell You strike me as an IRS man. Oh Unknown Speaker 19:20 wake up wake up cheeks Unknown Speaker 19:29 just starts going straight toward the camera. Oh wow. I would drop kick a TV. Wow Unknown Speaker 19:37 wake up it's time to wake up Unknown Speaker 19:39 it's time to wake up it's time to shoot you know someone didn't fall asleep watching this episode. Unknown Speaker 19:45 And then we wake up it's like my God. She's so there's a feed thing I was gonna he was a manager at Blockbuster and he worked at McDonald's but he came like called the Donald calm or the distributor for biggest Even bonds beef and bonds distribute Unknown Speaker 20:06 what does that sound McDonald's marketed themselves beef and bonds Unknown Speaker 20:09 back to the basics you know what cut all that out I want to pitch that to somebody I guaranteed you know who would buy that like Hardee's would buy that harsher Unknown Speaker 20:20 goodbye that that's Unknown Speaker 20:23 beef and bonds? Yeah. Unknown Speaker 20:24 Isn't that like 2001 like contemporary Christian song back to the basics back to the base Unknown Speaker 20:37 Korea Asprey before reckless love, she wrote Unknown Speaker 20:48 Well, me never be Unknown Speaker 21:07 so aggressive Unknown Speaker 21:18 Oh, yeah, dude, what do you mean? What do you need me to bring the Superbowl party for you football? If you check out our merch store, I've designed a shirt that says beef and buns. You could buy it. Unknown Speaker 21:32 There you go. Yeah. So the psychiatrists were like, we should figure out what's going on here. There's probably something happening. Unknown Speaker 21:41 What's going on here? All right, let's go. So there's a few Unknown Speaker 21:47 theories. five, maybe six. The first one? Unknown Speaker 21:54 Was there a video of the guy? No, because Unknown Speaker 21:56 it's in everyone's dreams. Unknown Speaker 21:57 I know. But you said the animators figured out video well, they made Unknown Speaker 22:00 pictures of him God like they've made models. So, the leading theory yes theory number lead is that this man is just an example of Carl Jung's concept of the unconscious archetypal image that people see in difficult situations. Okay, what this is, so Carl Jung theorized that there was a series of archetypes that exist in human consciousness, that are absolute, we all have these archetypes within us. And he points to a handful of them throughout history that we see in mythology, like the flood. Pretty much every culture has a flood myth, right. And so he says that there are things like that, that are archetypes that are within are embedded within our consciousness that we are always going to have some concept of that story. When when people Unknown Speaker 23:00 have the common dream of your teeth falling out. Unknown Speaker 23:04 Yes, those type of things. Yeah. And so the theory is that this man is an archetype that people see when they're going through difficult times to get them out of a dream, basically. Okay? And so it's it's almost like he's this man is inevitable for some people to see him okay, what is a terrifying phrase this man is inevitable. Unknown Speaker 23:26 Yeah, but it's a really cool nickname if you're mister inevitable script dude Unknown Speaker 23:33 that's true. I like that. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 23:35 that's the star quarterback of a dying franchise you know saying Unknown Speaker 23:40 Mr. Inevitable What did Unknown Speaker 23:43 they call the San Francisco guy Mr. Irrelevant Unknown Speaker 23:47 Yeah, what was Mr. Incredible No, no What Russell wasn't calm so Mr. call themself Mr. Something. Diddy. Yeah. And then he was drunk in the video and it Unknown Speaker 23:59 was himself that yeah, that's different. You can give yourself a nickname that's a loser move for sure. You it's got to be limited. Mr. Unlimited. Yeah, because I'm Mister unlimited. Unknown Speaker 24:09 He was very drunk in the video and he was like I'm Mr. Limit. Wow. And everybody made fun before it for years until he did the singing and playing thing though what what what have you seen that this year this year on on their on their way to their London game. Everybody was sleeping you know because London's a long flight and he was doing high knees in the aisle singing praise and worship songs Unknown Speaker 24:42 never before God Oh wow. Mr. Unlimited. Wow, dude, maybe chill out. There's nothing I hate more than those videos online of people be on planes. Yeah, like just So you know, there's a God who loves you and you could give your life to him right now in 13 see like, shut the crap up. I hate that. Unknown Speaker 25:10 Yeah, it's very obnoxious. Hey, that was worse than being on a plane and having to acknowledge that other people are on that plane. Unknown Speaker 25:15 Oh my gosh, dude. Unknown Speaker 25:19 And so yeah, people doing things that are just on avoidable on planes the Unknown Speaker 25:23 next last time I flew southwest guy next we brought five guys on the smelliest of foods. And he sat middle row shoes off Unknown Speaker 25:34 oh no so high that he was Unknown Speaker 25:37 texting and he was falling asleep mid text so he'd be like Unknown Speaker 25:52 Yikes, and I'm stuck. Renda sees middle row. The IOC was like, Guys today, the day to get saved. Unknown Speaker 26:05 And then in the middle of that, you want Unknown Speaker 26:07 to know more about God texts beef and 26866. Unknown Speaker 26:19 Geez, man, Unknown Speaker 26:20 Miller the flight, the row in front of you in between the seats. Unknown Speaker 26:30 You said it's time to wake up now. Unknown Speaker 26:33 I hate that. You owe $21,000. God man in my dreams. Leave me alone IRS. Unknown Speaker 26:49 So first theory is that it was an archetype. That was the one that the psychologists seem to be leaning on, right. Second theory was that this was a manifestation of God. Okay, God. Unknown Speaker 27:02 Yeah, dude, God, God looks like a guy whose dreams didn't work out. You know? God, God looks like he drives a Kia Sorento. Unknown Speaker 27:12 Honestly, though, if we're God's dream, then we didn't really work. Unknown Speaker 27:16 That might be so disappointed the look in his face. And so like you guys, you could have done so much. Unknown Speaker 27:23 So many other things. Unknown Speaker 27:26 Wow. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 27:28 So yeah. A lot of psychologists are like, Nah, probably not. Unknown Speaker 27:33 Here's what I think. Yeah, I'm gonna interject my theory in the middle of this. Sometimes you'll have dreams. And in the dream, you'll realize that the person you're talking to, yeah, doesn't look anything like the person that in your mind, your mind goes. Like, for example, like Ray has been in a couple of my dreams. But it looks nothing like her. Yeah, but I go, Oh, yeah, that person's right. That's you. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And so have you Yeah, where it's like we and then even when you wake up, you kind of go that didn't look anything like, I know where he was there. But that didn't that that was like her? Yes. Yeah. Or like, and you like, you'll be it'll be a dream. It's like that was Tim. But it looked like oh, like I, you know, almost like what the AI is doing with those blurry photos of Oh, yeah. It's is that your brain is gonna writing so yeah, that's it. And that's, that's this person? For sure. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've Unknown Speaker 28:20 had it happen to where it's like, there's another character in your dream. That's a person that you know, and over time that that happens, where they don't look like them. And then over time, by the end of the dream, it's a different Unknown Speaker 28:31 person. Yeah. You were you were there. You were them a second ago. Unknown Speaker 28:36 And now you're interesting. Yeah. So the P Unknown Speaker 28:40 Holmes bit about dreams? No. Or is like if aliens studied human sleep, and they were just like, why do you guys pass out for eight hours a day? And he's like, Well, I don't know. We need it. You know? It sounds like it's such a waste of time. So Well, I mean, you know, I get rest, and I feel good afterwards. And he's like, that's great. I mean, that sounds so boring. Just to close your eyes for eight hours because No, my brain plays movies that I'm in. That's pretty funny. Unknown Speaker 29:09 Hey, thanks again for being here for this episode. If you want to help us make more of these, we have a patreon you can support us on. We don't make money from this. Personally, all the money from Patreon goes straight back into our show helps us to create better episodes get a better production quality. But more than anything, we're just so glad that you're here. So thank you so much for supporting our show. And if you want early access and be part of our Discord, please consider supporting us on Patreon. But other than that, we sort of say thanks again. Unknown Speaker 29:40 Here's a here's a scarier theory. This one's a theory that, well, there's probably two theories that I would say I really don't like and this is one of them. Okay. Unknown Speaker 29:50 Is that dream pirate? There was an Unknown Speaker 29:53 ad campaign that a corporation ran that had like, subliminal messaging to put this man on people's dreams. That's Stupid Yeah, creepy. Unknown Speaker 30:02 Yeah none of us can really die was didn't really dumb. Unknown Speaker 30:05 Yeah, that's a stupid as Why would you be scared of that idea? Unknown Speaker 30:09 Not scared? No, I'm saying that's that would be such a dumb if you think about the idea for more than two seconds. Yeah, what one? Does anybody know which company it was to? Why would they do that? If it doesn't? I mean if you're gonna do it make it freakin a game burglar, you know? Like, if you're gonna do it. Make it Ronald McDonald Unknown Speaker 30:29 Yeah, I don't know, Doc, for some reason the Hamburglar keeps Unknown Speaker 30:32 you describe it. Describe him again. He's wearing a hat, like a mobster. Yeah, yeah. And he's wearing a striped shirt. Like, it's just got a little Unknown Speaker 30:43 like the girl like mask eyes. And he's holding it Unknown Speaker 30:48 has to pause. As we look at the picture, the sketch, like surely I'm getting this wrong. There's no way. Unknown Speaker 31:01 You imagine the moment when he talks to his colleagues. And it's like, you know, my clients seem Unknown Speaker 31:08 pretty interesting to you and say that, because my client Maxwell has has mentioned, obviously, why would a company do that? Unknown Speaker 31:21 I'd be I think the idea is Unknown Speaker 31:23 to try to Yeah. Face of our brand. Unknown Speaker 31:29 Yeah, maybe they were trying to get you there. But everybody, but everyone just ended up they were like, damn near this close. It's supposed to be Steve Jobs. Unknown Speaker 31:37 Well, that makes sense. If it's the McDonald's arches, and that's his eyebrows. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 31:40 maybe, maybe? I don't know. So that was that was one of them. Here's another best advertisement Unknown Speaker 31:47 you've ever seen. Unknown Speaker 31:51 Probably there was this Pepsi commercial a few years ago where she crossed the line and get Unknown Speaker 32:02 excited at all. Was that excited? Well, no, I think the best one I've seen this for Nesquik. And it was in the DC subway. And as you're going through the tunnel, they did it as a as a flip picture. Oh, that's one frame at a time you're going to the subway. And is that I was like, I was like, dang. That's great. Unknown Speaker 32:20 That is very cool. I like that. Anyway, yeah, that's really cool. I like that a lot. Unknown Speaker 32:28 And then at the end of the flip picture, he was given Nesquik to a police officer. And then it kept going. And I mean, the sequence got weird, but he ended up like on the ground. And the police officer was standing over him and then it cuts to the police officer who's on now leaning, it was a law. He's like now leaning in. Wake up. Whoa, that it just kept going. Cop seven, nine Central on TV. Shops Unknown Speaker 33:09 used to watch cops. Were usually watching cops and we watch the TV, we would chant. We were holy cow. Unknown Speaker 33:25 We would watch the live PD in Springfield in our own Unknown Speaker 33:28 town. And we'd be like, let's go find it. And drive it. Go do it. Oh my gosh. Unknown Speaker 33:38 So another theory is that. And this was like one of the other leading theories sure is that only a couple people actually jumped at this man. The rest of them saw this man somewhere and then drag it up. Yes. And that's and so it was never suggested a dream. Yeah, to begin with. Another one is that um, Unknown Speaker 34:02 well, but also is that you could have a dream of a generic man. And someone could show you a picture. And you can go I yeah, I mean, because again, it's fuzzy picture in your dream. Unknown Speaker 34:12 That's the that's the other theory is that because it's hard for you to remember your dreams actually areas specifically that if you get seen this picture, you'd be like, well, you know what, I think I have seen that guy Unknown Speaker 34:23 can't recall dreams. Like, I'll wake up and be like, your dream. I'm thinking about that later today. And then later, I just go, oh, I had a dream I was gonna tell you about but I can't remember a single detail by the Unknown Speaker 34:35 end of those people who like returning all their dreams when they first wake up. Yeah, yeah, I thought about doing that before but I'm also like, why Unknown Speaker 34:41 though? Yeah, but I just prefer to like, you know, make money and like, have a job and do the people who do that stuff are the people who have time to do that. Get Ready With Me on tick tock videos, you know? It's like all right, well, Unknown Speaker 34:57 last night I dreamed Unknown Speaker 34:59 of Like there was this man just have kids you can have a personality at least you know it's you know the moms and it's like thank God you got kids you got something to do Unknown Speaker 35:17 but that's what here's some dads golf because they don't got a personality. Yeah. Or like the guys that are like buffed out at that. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 35:25 yeah. Well, their personality, their personality number one thing Unknown Speaker 35:30 before that they had to float through these weird horoscope phase and wake up in your dreams phase. Yeah, that's I'm saying you know, one, find me a person who is consistently journaled their dreams for like 50 years. Find me that person, you know, and I guarantee I guarantee they live in a weird cottage. Okay, and they drink this gross tea that they make from the garden. And they've convinced themselves that you try it. It tastes tastes terrible. Unknown Speaker 36:00 It's awful. Unknown Speaker 36:02 Yeah, how do you make this Oh, was doing that for more parts? Unknown Speaker 36:04 Mud? Two parts of lemon? Unknown Speaker 36:06 Yeah, it actually is really revolutionized my fun there. It came into the dream once you know what else Regan? No. Unknown Speaker 36:22 I can't tell you a regular change my life Unknown Speaker 36:23 is my life this year. Oh my gosh. Okay. Here's the six theory. And this one is a little hoo, ha. Okay. So this theory is that you know, like remote viewing more Unknown Speaker 36:36 than God. Then it's like, that's God. Yeah. Like, this one's out there. Unknown Speaker 36:41 Yeah. So you remember the remote viewing episode? Yeah. So this theory is that there was a guy who had mastered this form of meditation where he could lean into people's dreams from afar, like remote viewing, but into your dream, kind of like Inception. Sure. But it wasn't like, hey, let's dream together. It was, hey, I'm going to infiltrate your dreams and scare the heck out of you. Sure to wake up? And yeah, so that was, that's not theory. There's no real science behind that. I think it was just some community members. Unknown Speaker 37:14 There's a god if there's a guy who gets in your dreams, get into our dreams, or like my theories, no limits, just theorize you can just think so yeah, this is Unknown Speaker 37:24 what I think it is. In 2010, we got the answer. Right now. Yeah, in 2010, we got the answer. Well, maybe, maybe, in 2010, is what happened. There was a guy who got a job for a company called I don't remember what the company is called. But basically, they were an art agency, okay. And he wrote a blog post on that our agency's website, and he said that he was the founder of this man.org. And he said that it was a guerilla marketing stunt. And that he created this whole backstory, and this website, to market a movie that was supposed to launch where this man was going to be, it was like a horror movie. And this man was gonna be the bad guy that was infiltrating people's dreams. And this was his marketing campaign for it. But the movie ended up running out of funding, hey, ever happened to I don't hate that. Very cool. Very cool. What is interesting is that blog post was up for a couple months before it got ticket down. And then this guy, a like, became public that he owned that website, and unfortunately, ended up finding it and was like, Yeah, this guy owns his website. And he also owns a website called gorilla, gorilla, not gorilla, gorilla. marketing.it, something like that. Unknown Speaker 39:03 That's not a buy. Don't sell that. I'll tell you what. Unknown Speaker 39:07 What's interesting is they took that blog post down, Vice found this guy and Vice News did an article on it. And he in the interview, acted like it was real. And this was two years after that blog post after he came out and said it was all a guerilla marketing tactic, vise to the article and vice and in the interview, he said that he had the dream. And he told his like, so the story is different now. He told his psychiatrist about it, the psychiatrists wrote it and started for he made the posts. Now the interview happened after the post is like two or three years after the post, Unknown Speaker 39:38 vice. The interview was post post. Unknown Speaker 39:42 The interview was post book blog post, yeah, post post, post, post, yes. Post post, pre Post Malone. Post post post, it was post post but pre Post Malone, but post, post serial. Got it and post post offices. Unknown Speaker 39:58 Sure. Wow, if you really think about it. We're living in a post office era, aren't we? Unknown Speaker 40:11 Wasn't that funny, but hey, I'll take Unknown Speaker 40:15 it a lot. Yeah, no vice, Unknown Speaker 40:18 but he pretended like it was real. He did this whole thing. He said it was real. He did this whole interview Unknown Speaker 40:22 acting like it was a true story. And the interviewer Kay, Vice puts out the article on another blog post. Now a bunch of people come and they're like, Hey, this guy wrote a blog post a while ago, and said it wasn't true. And so then Vice took it back and put out an update and said, Hey, turns out that article he put out wasn't true. And everyone's like, I don't understand what's happening here. Like why is he acting like this is real all of a sudden when he already said he wasn't it wasn't real. And then no one's found him since? Yeah, and there hasn't been like he's not on that company's website as an employee. He doesn't have like a social media presence. So there's this was in 2016 when vise did the article so there's these ideas that may be somebody bought the rights that movie and was going to try to resurrect it right that happened yet sure. Or, This man got to vise this man got to the guy who made the guerrilla marketing sighs names and Andrei Nadella he's Italian marketer. This man might have got to them and said Hey, stop. You gotta stop this. Unknown Speaker 41:26 What do you mean this man got to them. Unknown Speaker 41:28 This man came to them in a dream Stop. Unknown Speaker 41:30 What are you talking about right now to stop it? No, I do like that marketing tactics Unknown Speaker 41:40 he's like, I'm real. Geez, dude. What a first of all brilliant market that out here. brilliant marketing scheme. One that they tried to do this but it kind of fell flat was for that Jake Gyllenhaal movie? What he just did look it up the one you got to be on the phone. Because I was in LA when that when this happened? So what's a call to guilty? Yes, look up the guilty skywriter the guilty movie skywriter we're gonna end up with a different episode. But the the? Because like, do you see what I'm talking about? It's got a phone number across the sky. That's cool. So put that on the screen if you can. I was in LA and I look up and this plane has written a phone number. I mean, so many letters like huge message and across giant like that's impressive. That's like multiple planes, I think. Yeah. Across the Sky in LA. That's says, listen carefully. 507. saver, which is such a weird thing. Listen carefully. 507 Unknown Speaker 42:55 say that's very impressive to write that much with Oh, I Unknown Speaker 42:58 know. That's what I'm saying. I feel like it had to be multiple planes or something. I don't know how the AC that's above LA. I was there that day. And I called the numbers. I was like, What the heck is this? And it was and now the movie trailer had not come out yet. And the voicemail that it leads you to? Like they were trying to make this a viral moment for sure. Yeah, the voicemail it'll lead you to did not mention anything about about the movie or anything. You could hear basically, it was a scene of their call. That was like plus in a line DREW Okay. And she's like, help or whatever. And it was like a very intense 911 call. Yeah, you know, and then it just Unknown Speaker 43:38 could you talk with Jake Gyllenhaal? Unknown Speaker 43:40 I couldn't. But as soon as I hit that, Jake, you know, the problem they had was when you Googled it, it immediately came up with a guilty. Yeah. And I think had they waited maybe just a day or two. It wouldn't. I didn't share it. You know? Yeah, I listened to it. I googled it. And found out as a movie promo didn't tweet about it. Yeah. You know that what they wanted was for me to be like, you might know what this is. Yeah. You know. Yeah. But that was an interesting. Interesting, and I heard the movie sucked. So I didn't watch it. Unknown Speaker 44:19 That is really clever. I like that. And that's impressive to write that much with Yeah, whatever. Yeah, so Unknown Speaker 44:27 but do imagine that you're just driving in LA and you look up and you see save her in the sky like Unknown Speaker 44:31 what you're like, Wait, excuse me. Yeah, that's that's Unknown Speaker 44:36 a weird couple minutes there. Unknown Speaker 44:39 Well, I'll call that number. Unknown Speaker 44:41 I said, y'all saver y'all safer. Unknown Speaker 44:42 I'll save I'm the hero. Unknown Speaker 44:44 I'm the one person in LA seeing this right now. Unknown Speaker 44:46 I'm the only versus la brave enough to call is Unknown Speaker 44:50 over who was the comedian that hired this guy writer. And they wrote, here's the Google comedian hires skywriter I forget what exactly they wrote but it's worth it Unknown Speaker 45:12 they wrote like don't know how to land. Unknown Speaker 45:15 Yeah, how do I land? How do I land? Yeah, that's funny. That's really Unknown Speaker 45:26 Kurt Brown Hall, Bronner, Carlson 6800. Unknown Speaker 45:31 It's like that's pretty funny. Unknown Speaker 45:36 That's so funny that like God set have a stake in sky right but he can't figure Unknown Speaker 45:42 out how do I lay it so funny. But I remember I was listening to comedy podcasts. There was another comedian who was who was like I gotta get out of here soon. I'm actually going to a rooftop party for my friend who hired a skywriter above LA and it was that incident. Pretty funny. Anyway, Unknown Speaker 46:03 anyways, yeah, so if you ever see this man in your dreams Unknown Speaker 46:08 Well, I mean, think about how you found this episode. You know, honestly, so we freaking got you. Unknown Speaker 46:15 Honestly though, like, I think now that if you watch this episode, there's a pretty good chance that this man is going to be dreams now. So I don't know what to say about that Unknown Speaker 46:28 when you end Connor Can you end the video? Like when we say the fiddle off Can you just put his face like in or put our face that's fine like that one I just felt my whole body go pale. Get that out of here. I don't want to look is mouth I don't want to look at it. Unknown Speaker 46:58 Kind of screen for this one too. He's a little bolder and this one this one Unknown Speaker 47:07 fiddle off dude. Let's get Unknown Speaker 47:15 things done last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by ours Garnett video by Connor Betts our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah and Tim stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at tilam podcast is Ti LL and podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night.

In 2008 a psychologist reported that a client repeatedly saw a man in his dreams. After releasing a composite sketch of the man, it became clear that the experience was not unique to this client. Many people around the world reported seeing the same man in their dreams. In response to the reports from witnesses, a website was created to … Read More

Colorado River – How Ineptitude and Greed is Making California Thirsty

03-07-23
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Unknown Speaker 0:00 Hey man, what's up? Why are you sitting like that? Like why? You're like a news anchor on his first day. It was pretty accurate will be Unknown Speaker 0:16 why is your watch so big? Unknown Speaker 0:19 What a weird dream you're having when you're talking about one of my watch so beard eyes I'm just here to do a podcast. Unknown Speaker 0:32 It feels a geared up and puff and blow my house down. Unknown Speaker 0:37 No. Unknown Speaker 0:41 Okay. I also love question. Have you ever heard of the Colorado River? Unknown Speaker 0:52 Okay. Yes. Unknown Speaker 0:56 Have you heard of the Colorado? Is Unknown Speaker 0:57 that their triple A baseball team? The Colorado River. Unknown Speaker 1:01 Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, that's pretty. So we should be. Unknown Speaker 1:05 We should bleep that too. Then I guess sense. Go ahead and buy a minor league or minor league? Grand Canyon? Unknown Speaker 1:14 No. Have you heard of the Colorado River Compact? No. Yeah. It's a new compact car. From our planet Unknown Speaker 1:23 AAA minor league baseball team. Our merchandise is, you know, either one of those little like little fans just like so cheap. Or a car. No. in between. We don't sell. Yeah, compact car. That's true. Yeah, we're not like, rip. Unknown Speaker 1:40 We're not monsters. Tent the Grand Canyon. Definitely a museum. So at this point in time, 1922. Unknown Speaker 1:52 People didn't know why. They took all the water. Oh, sorry. I was watching the office. Okay, what else? Do you know about how Unknown Speaker 2:01 he doesn't have any hair on the Unknown Speaker 2:05 things I learned last night? Unknown Speaker 2:14 Colorado River Compact. Unknown Speaker 2:16 Yeah. I feel like I need to mention this. Unknown Speaker 2:19 Okay. Please do then. Unknown Speaker 2:23 Before we get too far ahead. Here's the deal. There is a Unknown Speaker 2:34 no, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. Okay, I would just say, go for it. But I'll say the after the fiddle. Okay. No. Okay. So the Colorado River. Here's the Colorado River. I'll show you a picture of it. So in case you don't know, it's a big river that goes from Colorado, to the Gulf of California. Okay. And it's existed for a long time throughout history, if you will, for history. Because Unknown Speaker 3:14 what is what is water was is that okay? Is that just the site that this came from? Unknown Speaker 3:21 And I'm gonna be honest, I don't know. I don't I got this from Google images. So Unknown Speaker 3:25 okay. It just says pacific ocean water woes, and I was like it was water was a label or is that it? Makes sense. Unknown Speaker 3:32 I know that came from okay. I know their point. But I don't. Unknown Speaker 3:36 Oh, is it that the Colorado River is drying up? Yeah, it definitely Unknown Speaker 3:39 is. But yes, the Colorado river runs through Colorado, Utah. Sure. Arizona, Nevada, California. Unknown Speaker 3:46 carve the Grand Canyon. Unknown Speaker 3:49 And that's what they want you Unknown Speaker 3:51 it's the river at the bottom of Grand Canyon. Yes, it is. Yeah. Okay. Unknown Speaker 3:54 And then wants you to believe the Colorado River did that. Okay, Unknown Speaker 4:02 have you been? We've been we went to the Grand Canyon together. Unknown Speaker 4:04 Yeah. Yeah. Have you been to the wiki? Yes. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 4:08 So we also probably when we took that trip to Durango where you almost ruined my car. We probably drove by the Grand Canyon or the Colorado River then actually no, we didn't know we stayed underneath it there. Yeah. But surely at some point, one of our travels we drove I know I've seen it in Colorado. Okay. Unknown Speaker 4:26 Here's the deal. It's not real. Unknown Speaker 4:28 No, my number one complaint with that theory about the Grand Canyon Colorado River thing. No, that's Unknown Speaker 4:33 what Hold on. The theory which theory that the that it did or did not carve the Grand Canyon that car the Grand Canyon. Yeah. You have an issue with that. Okay, okay, go ahead. Unknown Speaker 4:47 Because why there and nowhere else? What's unique to the Grand Canyon versus the rest of the route of the Colorado River. That made it carves the Grand Canyon there, then nowhere US Riddle me this Batman. Unknown Speaker 5:06 I don't have time to give you a typography lesson or a, a lesson in how different landscapes and different heights create different water pressures. And then the level of the water and different elevations. I don't have time to do all this. Unknown Speaker 5:26 I don't buy it. I don't buy it. It's not a believable story to me. I think it was like a Salton Sea scenario. Like there was a big ocean there and then we dropped the nuke and it would happen and try it out. You know, probably Unknown Speaker 5:37 happen. Yeah. Let's be real. Yeah. Was in. In Arizona, right? Yeah, there was a bear. A lot of cocaine. That bear just started started. And a docked out Unknown Speaker 5:55 for 2.8 million. And it's down there somewhere. He's still digging a little hat on a miner's hat. Unknown Speaker 6:05 And he's down there and he's digging the Grand Canyon here. You know, my favorite thing about the Grand Canyon is with you. Is the time that you just assumed there was a diner that I've never I know we've talked about on the podcast before but I've never seen Tim so angry in my entire life just make sense when we got up there it just makes it there's no like he was expecting like a local waffle house to be up there. Yeah, and there's not there is a lodge that serves basic hotel breakfast food. And then there is a McDonald's now, I don't know if you can imagine because of the way elevation works. How difficult it is to get product to that McDonald's but Unknown Speaker 6:47 because Asian is just distant from everything. Look at okay, Unknown Speaker 6:51 if you're like, Oh, why did a car there and not everywhere else along the route? Okay, why don't you look at the elevation difference between Northern Arizona there and the elevation diversity in lower Arizona. Once you look at what Unknown Speaker 7:02 what do you mean? What do you mean? In this picture? It's more north for sure. You're taking the flat Unknown Speaker 7:06 earth thing to a completely new level. I'm saying we get up all the way to the Grand Canyon. It costs a lot for McDonald's to ship anything there. So therefore they have to charge a lot more. Unknown Speaker 7:19 Okay, they had to charge maybe 30 cents. And today's highs were about to rip up maybe. And easy racing Unknown Speaker 7:27 bags because he's like, I can't believe he's yelling at McDonald's employees. I can't believe a MIG DeBell is for does it was $8 first of all dollars for breakfast sandwich. Unknown Speaker 7:44 It's the freakin it's the airport effect because you're on the other side of the gate. They know you have no other options. It's like you can eat this this cheap bad hotel breakfast, or you can come to McDonald's and pay triple what you would anywhere else. We're just still a quarter of the price of any bra. I'm not gonna lie. It was absurd. I'm still not Unknown Speaker 8:10 that mad. Here's what I was upset about is that someone had a drone. We watched the we drove through the night to watch the sunrise at the Grand Canyon. Somebody had a word of we wake up that we will come to California woke up in California. We went to Vegas and then drove through the night. Yeah, it was a long night. All right, don't try to justify yourself. All right, you became a little Karen. I 23. The drone comes at me. It's beautiful. Picture sunrise, the Grand Canyon, right? And it's like you're on this road trip with your friends early 20s. You're like, oh my gosh, we're gonna live forever, you know, and you see the sunrise and you're coming to reality with the fact that this canyon has been around for millennia. Right? And it's been carved so slowly by the Colorado River. By that Colorado bear. And it's been a you know, and you're just faced with nature, and then you just hear Zach you know, and this little day and he's getting a drone shot of the sunrise and you weren't mad. You were like I wasn't you were like that's annoying, but whatever. No, it was funny $12 Hamburger loses Unknown Speaker 9:22 his mind because that was obscene that Unknown Speaker 9:24 would have kept telling you that angry before Unknown Speaker 9:27 that was just that that's what it was. That wasn't a scene display of capitalism. And Unknown Speaker 9:32 I thought you were all for that. No, I here's the thing. If they're at the top of the they should be able to charge for everyone and if I don't want it I don't have to pay for it. Unknown Speaker 9:40 I mean whatever bro. Oh my gosh watched. Wow. Welcome to day two of the newsroom. Unknown Speaker 9:48 I don't want it I don't have to pay for it. Oh Unknown Speaker 9:50 my god. That's how it works. Tim No, it's not that's it's taking advantage. The other side of the Unknown Speaker 9:56 Republic Tim Oh my Unknown Speaker 9:58 gosh. I'm just saying the stove with its gas. Unknown Speaker 10:03 Okay, move on. Okay, so the rivers drying up. Yeah. So here's the deal carved the Grand Canyon. You hate that theory? It's debatable, you know, literally not, but go ahead. It's Unknown Speaker 10:15 debatable. And say it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. No, it's the Colorado River. Here's the deal. You're right. It's, it's drying up. That's what's happening. And it's a it's a predictable problem that has done nothing but get worse and worse, that we don't have a solution for. And it's scary. And I'm gonna scare you for a little bit. Are you ready? Sure. Before we do, Unknown Speaker 10:42 I do love these episodes of like the Loeb episode where you're like, I'm gonna like scare you with horror stuff. And then now I'm just gonna scare you with dull, boring ring stats that are equally terrifying. Unknown Speaker 10:59 So, okay, so check this out. All right. All right. As as you know, are your air pods out? There? We're uncomfortable in my pocket. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. As you know, Unknown Speaker 11:14 put your pots away. What are you doing right now, Unknown Speaker 11:15 when I research this stuff? What do you stop it? Unknown Speaker 11:21 I've got a moment I'm trying to Unknown Speaker 11:24 do your monologue as Unknown Speaker 11:29 every night, as I'm prepping for an episode last night, I research a lot of Wikipedia. Sometimes, I research more than just Wikipedia, I take looks at other sources and water. That could be Wikipedia articles. That could be newspaper or other sources, academic journals, if you will. Usually not those. Or what happens sometimes is I take a look at YouTube. Bah, bah bah, gay and this very scenario, I looked at a video from a creator named real life lor, who I've actually now watched a lot of videos from very captivating. Great content. Definitely 10 out of 10 recommend. Okay, and I just want to play you. You don't even have to see it. Just the audio clip. From like three seconds of this video. You'll understand why. It's very important to me. Already, Unknown Speaker 12:34 sir. Here we go. bar to the contrary, California's water problem is an ancient one that goes Unknown Speaker 12:53 this is the first time I felt like a part of the community. Unknown Speaker 12:55 You found it. You found a YouTuber. This community an ancient Unknown Speaker 13:04 ancient Yeah, baby put it on a shirt. It's not just me. I'm not the only Ancient One. D anxious one of the oddest. This whole top. Unknown Speaker 13:22 You there was a problem with our new we have brand new equipment. Yeah, and there was a problem getting the audio to work. And Tim was like, I used to do the audio for this episode. I'm really gonna need to use the audio. Like Alex, if we can figure it out. I'm gonna really need to use the audio for this episode. And I guarantee that was the only thing he's gonna use audio for anything else? Unknown Speaker 13:39 No, that was, honestly, we can fiddle off the episode. This is why I brought the Unknown Speaker 13:43 Colorado River. No, yeah, he would dry it up. Unknown Speaker 13:47 So the Colorado River Compact because we got to take it back to 19 2200 years plus one ago. Okay. Unknown Speaker 13:55 Sure. 101 years ago, Unknown Speaker 13:58 one for every Dalmatian. Unknown Speaker 14:00 So at this point in time, 1922. Unknown Speaker 14:04 People didn't know a lot. I mean, like they did, they made decisions, but they didn't make decisions. They they weren't thinking like how's it going to hurt people in 100 years is true. And capitalism was really roaring and people still don't do that. But they were doing it way worse back in the 1900s. Yeah, this Unknown Speaker 14:19 was the roaring 20s where there was this idea that you can use as much as you want, and you're never going to run out. Yeah. Except for the people who did this compact. Base said, Wait a second. We got this Colorado River, and it's providing water to all of these states. Yeah. And that's a lot. And as some of these states, like California expands, they're drawing more and more water. Yeah. And we don't want them to take all of our water. And so all these upper basin states, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and parts of Arizona, we're like we need to make sure that California has this to lower water from us, basically is the idea. Okay. And so they said, we'll create a compact, which was just a pact. I don't know why they added a column to it. Is that where a patch came from? is packed. Is making a pack that compact but you just shorted it. You compacted the contact. Interesting. Yeah. Wow, I'm learning so many words. So they made a Unknown Speaker 15:26 pact photo shortly for fiddled, Unknown Speaker 15:31 they made a pact which is short for to distribute the water evenly amongst them. There's a couple of things that play with this before you include it or just those the states that are in these upper basin, no upper and lower basin. Anything that's within the little swatches you see here, okay. They were like, Hey, guys, yeah, let's Unknown Speaker 15:50 make a deal. They named after us, but we're gonna split it evenly. They said. They said bankers, Colin, Colorado gets 51% though, Unknown Speaker 15:58 gotta get to the 1%. Now, they said bankers, Colin, you could open up another case. Or you could take the deal. Unknown Speaker 16:06 And okay. And how he was like, this is a lot of money. Unknown Speaker 16:11 He was did the double fingerprint. Or you could, you could see what's in this case, in this case, or, or he always did that. What's his deal? It's almost like his hands are like a little Marriott. They're like they're tied together. Unknown Speaker 16:25 Yeah. You know, I was listening to the Unknown Speaker 16:29 real it's up for debate. Unknown Speaker 16:36 There's no way that Colorado River bade that guy Unknown Speaker 16:41 ever said, Unknown Speaker 16:46 Hey, thanks for checking out things other than last night. If you're enjoying this, we have a ton of episodes. We've been doing this for a few years now. So make sure you go back check them out. My current favorite is Elmer McCurdy. It's a story about a guy who was born in 1890, died in 1910. and was buried in 1976, which is just weird. The story is absolutely bonkers. I don't want to give too much away. But it was a super fun one. We loved it. Make sure you check that one out. But again, thanks for checking out things like last night. Unknown Speaker 17:20 You know that that episode, that first episode? If you heard the story, that of what? Unknown Speaker 17:34 Okay, how he did that episode. And he thought this was the end of his career. Like he took this deal because he was ready to retire. And he did not think his career was going anywhere else. And because at the time TV was different, I guess. Yes. And doing something like that was like the end of that was a career like, and so he's like, Yeah, I'm hosting a game show. Now. That's I'm sailing off into the sunset, my career is over. And he did not have a good attitude about it did not think it was gonna be great. He did the show. And he did that in that first episode. There was a lady who kind of he, he tells the stories, because like, she was kind of in the heat of the moment, like getting excited and turning down these deals, and they were lots of money. And he's like, I knew her story, because I like got to know her. And that would have changed the life you eat. And so he was trying really hard like to tell her to take the money. And so the whole his whole shtick that ended up becoming his stick through the whole series was because that first episode, he was genuinely being like, now listen, this is a lot of Unknown Speaker 18:35 his money you that you need. Unknown Speaker 18:39 Do you want to take the deal? Or open up another and he was like, he was like, I was talking to her like she was a child because I wanted to break through the heat of that moment for her like, I'm on TV. I'm in the show. Here's how I'm in debt. Like, it'd be like, real money. Yeah. And then did she lose a lot of money? I don't know what happened in that episode. But he said that after it like he immediately went on vacation because he didn't want to see it. He's like, he's like this the, the dying thing I do with my career. It was primetime TV, though. Yeah. And then it got like 9 million views on primetime first night and like was huge, massive it we all. And producers were like, I don't know what you were doing when you hosted that but do it in every episode. And he was like, you may try to talk people out of toxic sins. From Yeah, yeah, it was he was not like the way it was written wasn't for him to act the way he did, because he was genuinely. What's Unknown Speaker 19:32 interesting, though, is that I bet that made them not want to do it. Like maybe like maybe it was one of those like they're on a game show. And the host is like hey, and like that almost to them was like that. They wouldn't do that if there was, you know, you don't say like he was just like, please take the money. Unknown Speaker 19:54 It's like It's like your rich entrepreneur friend being like that. A million dollars is a lot of money and you being like, I want my gender Unknown Speaker 19:59 like I want my jet. Unknown Speaker 20:02 Yeah, yeah. So anyways, that's some free deal. trivia for you. Unknown Speaker 20:06 Yeah. What else? Do you know about how Unknown Speaker 20:10 he doesn't have any hair on the top? Unknown Speaker 20:20 Okay, so the upper basin, cheese. MTV was his idea also like that if anybody sees the clueless no context picture of the Colorado River on the screen. You heard no deal. Like if we clip that we're like, yeah, the whole story on the screen is just Colorado Unknown Speaker 20:56 for no reason. Reason, oh, I guess it was guys like the Colorado River Unknown Speaker 21:02 feds. So here's what they did. They said, they said, Okay. There's a couple of things at play here. First is, who had it first, whoever got it first gets to keep it the most. That was the words that they used. And they said, California, you got it last. And so we get into the flow of the river, no, like whoever had the rights first, like literally had rights to it first. And so people, naturally, people further along, because of the way western expansion worked. Colorado got to the Colorado River first because they were there first. And they claimed rights to it first. And so basically, people in the upper basin had higher rights to the water because they had rights to begin with, okay, the people in the lower basin. And so the idea was if there was ever a situation where things started to dry up, upper basin has rights over lower basin. And so the lower basin is going to have to figure something else out for and we get our water because our water and we're just kind of sharing it with you because it's spilling down the side of the Unknown Speaker 22:03 world or the leftover Colorado River. Unknown Speaker 22:07 The other thing that was at play was they said because of this, because it does kind of flow through your stuff. Also. You can have some of it, but we're going to try to evenly distribute it based upon need. And so they came up with this algorithm of sorts, it wasn't another day, but they divided they divvied it up based upon a couple things. One, they had a group called Unknown Speaker 22:37 Kalam refer corpse because I Unknown Speaker 22:41 remember Corp beta group called River company. The company Unknown Speaker 22:50 river Corp came and they did the math to figure out how much water flow to the Colorado River in a year. Sure. And they said we're pretty sure it's about 15 million acre feet of water a year close to the Colorado River. Okay, lots of water. And because politics the politicians in that were involved in this said, call it 16.5 So that way we can give a little bit to Mexico and make them feel like oh, we get some water too. And so they're like okay, 16 point 5 million acre feet of water is gonna fly right here. Okay. And what they did is that extra 1.5 They gave to Mexico and they're like you can have 1.5 million acre feet and Unknown Speaker 23:37 now they have 13 Five to split the rest now they have 15 Because they Unknown Speaker 23:41 raised the number artificially, Unknown Speaker 23:43 okay. Unknown Speaker 23:47 And that other 15 they split down the middle 7.5 to the upper basin 7.5 the lower basin and then they within those they split up percentages based upon need in those regions or so in the upper basin 51% went to Colorado 23% to Utah 14% to Wyoming 11% in New Mexico and point 7% to that little corner of Arizona that's in the upper basin and then in the lower basin 58% to California 37% to Arizona and 4% to Nevada. So everybody got their little percentage of water. Mexico got 1.5 million feet acre feet of water and everybody was happy we're all getting water right? Unknown Speaker 24:32 Wrong. Bad bad Unknown Speaker 24:35 because he's because there's a couple things obviously they artificially inflated that number Unknown Speaker 24:39 right and there's still a bear on the loose Unknown Speaker 24:42 carpet up the drinking so he gets thirsty now that's a big game. We Unknown Speaker 24:49 found him his belly was just full of water full of Colorado water. He Unknown Speaker 24:54 was a bloated Mayor So Colorado River water no the He, Unknown Speaker 25:02 when they took this sample to figure out how much water is going through, yeah, was 1922. Yeah, they Unknown Speaker 25:07 didn't know how to count back then. Unknown Speaker 25:09 How to come up with numbers yet? No, they the issue was at that time did they miss counted? No. But at that time, the American Southwest wasn't what we would later learn was the wettest season in probably 500 years, and the American Southwest. Oh, and so they said that the average would be 15 acre feet a year, 50 million acre feet a million, but that was based on that year, which was the wettest in like 500 years. What was probably what we know now was the more realistic average would be around 12 to 13 million acre feet a year. Okay. And so they were off by three to five are three to 4 million acre feet a year and then they inflated that by an extra 1.5 million so they could give some to Mexico Sure. And make themselves look good, I guess? I don't know. So they were grossly over allocating what they had to begin with. This was when things were good. Something that they also didn't anticipate was the American Southwest being what it is because this was the 20s. La was there and LA was rapidly expanding. And this is the reason for the compact. Yeah, but other than that, all the other major cities that we have in here, Phoenix, Denver Vegas, were all smaller cities, especially Vegas. Vegas, wasn't even on the map. Like it was like a little trading outpost. Nobody had the idea that any of these cities would become what they ended up becoming one day and require as much water as they end up requiring one day or have things like the Bellagio fountain just squirting water all the time. Nobody had the foresight. You Unknown Speaker 26:58 know how the Bellagio works, right? Yeah, it's Unknown Speaker 27:00 yeah, it's a cycle. You know, it's like a pump. No. Okay, tell me. Unknown Speaker 27:06 I mean, it is. Yeah, it's Howie Mandel. And they're just everyday spitting in it. That's just how he read they'll spit that's all it is. It's gross. Unknown Speaker 27:18 It just backstrokes out to the middle of the Bellagio. Unknown Speaker 27:30 He thought Deal or No Deal was the end of his career Unknown Speaker 27:38 no Unknown Speaker 27:41 it was a respect on his name. That's how we Mendell. Succeed. Okay, no, but the Bellagio that water is evaporating so they can't just Oh, really? Michael? Unknown Speaker 27:58 Yeah. In Vegas it is interested in? Unknown Speaker 28:01 Yeah, so there's actually a process that they've got and I can't quote it to you remember it right now, but I we should look that up in a little bit. But I know they figured it out. But they really did. They did figure it out. And I I don't want to say something to be wrong. So I'm gonna wait and maybe we could do Unknown Speaker 28:18 a whole podcast. I do that in every episode. I know. Unknown Speaker 28:20 And I I read the YouTube comments. So like, chill. But we could do it. You could do a whole mini episode on the Bellagio fountain. Interesting. Yeah, so they just stay tuned. If you want to see that many episodes, you should subscribe to the podcast on YouTube and also wherever you're listening again, maybe you support us on Patreon because our listenership is a lot like the water in that it's slowly dying. Unknown Speaker 28:46 We have to put more in or else we lose it. I can't keep downloading is taking all of our listeners. We don't know what to do with them. Unknown Speaker 28:58 So be careful out there. They're gonna find you. California's Kevin, where do you tell the listeners watch out for the California. They're gonna take Yeah, we should cut like they take everything. He's lost it. Like they take everything. Okay, so they how so now it's the average is 12 million. Trillions gallons. How many gallons is that? Unknown Speaker 29:30 Gosh, a lot. Okay. Unknown Speaker 29:33 Don't worry about looking at the number. Too late now. All right. So the Bellagio right? So the detection of the toilet water that flushes down and you've been one Unknown Speaker 29:44 acre foot? Water is 325,000 gallons. Oh, so we're talking million acre feet. So we're talking trillions of gallons cool. Can you imagine carrying those groceries in. Unknown Speaker 30:02 Okay, so yeah, what's happened in that? What's the average now? Unknown Speaker 30:06 So so now it's a more complicated situation because Unknown Speaker 30:10 because Phoenix is Phoenix now Phoenix is grown. Phoenix Unknown Speaker 30:13 is huge. LA is huge. San Diego is huge. Vegas is huge. Denver is huge. Even Salt Lake City is getting big. And even cities like Grand Junction are drawing from the river and the amount of water that's flowing through. So there's a lot of cities drawing on it. But more than that, there are a ridiculous amount of farmers that are drawing on it and using it for agriculture. And they're using significantly more per capita water than everybody in the cities are using. Because you know, they got a farm. Yeah, if you don't water a plant, it dies Unknown Speaker 30:56 Do you have the dead one somewhere? There it is. She's saving its life in our Athletic Greens bottle. Athletic Greens bring life Unknown Speaker 31:17 just $5 a month you can support the plans Unknown Speaker 31:35 wake up every day. Looking for water. Tim doesn't Unknown Speaker 31:46 my wife pick these plans out for our office and I haven't done a good job of taking care of you killed them. Well, that one's you. Murder. That one's doing all right. That one's fine. This one's doing. Unknown Speaker 31:57 That one's not doing well. Unknown Speaker 31:59 That one's fine. This one is this one is it's struggling. But it's not. Yeah, I Unknown Speaker 32:04 could get that one up there. And make it I mean, I Unknown Speaker 32:07 don't know Katie might be saving it right now. Okay, well, Unknown Speaker 32:09 he's over here doing CPR. And Unknown Speaker 32:17 I know you don't do the mouse thing anymore, do you? You don't. Wow. Do what do you think this is 2004? You don't do the math thing and CPR and you're not CPR certified? I don't know. I'm CPR certified. Are you really? Yeah. Unknown Speaker 32:28 Want to do it real quick? Yeah, Unknown Speaker 32:31 let's practice. Unknown Speaker 32:32 Yeah. Well, somebody drowned real quick. Yeah, it's for it's for a bit. Unknown Speaker 32:40 Yeah, a little bit good content. All right. Unknown Speaker 32:46 Hey, thanks again for being here for this episode. If you want to help us make more of these, we have a patreon you can support us on. We don't make money from this. Personally, all the money from Patreon goes straight back into our show helps us to create better episodes good or better production quality. But more than anything, we're just so glad that you're here. So thank you so much for supporting our show. And if you want early access to be part of our Discord, please consider supporting us on Patreon. But other than that, we sort of say thanks again. Unknown Speaker 33:17 We didn't talk about Colorado River. So the farmers are trying to drive the farmers are drawing a lot of water as well. Okay. And this has over time ballooned the amount of usage sure, because as the agricultural industry in this area has grown, more farmers come in and use it. Yeah, as the cities have grown, obviously, more people are using water. And in each of these cities, industrial areas have grown, that use a lot of water to create whatever their product is. And so the difference in water usage from 1922 Two today is gigantic. It's almost almost unquantifiable. And I say almost like I have a number but I don't have a number. So my purpose is unquantifiable. I'm sure some scientists somewhere has it quantified but I know it's a big difference is the point. Okay. Another thing that's important about this region is the American Southwest is a desert, the whole region. Yeah. And they oscillate it oscillates between seasons of drought and seasons of like monsoon seasons. And so each year, you're gonna see vastly different levels of rainfall. And the way the Colorado River works, I guess we should talk about the ancient Colorado River for a second. The way the river starts up here at the tip of the Rocky Mountains. And it's pretty much I should say all but a major major source of it is snow runoff from the top of the Rocky Mountains, and then that snow takes a little Road Trip all over the mountain cough of California. God said, Unknown Speaker 35:06 big Yeah, but how? How do mountains form? Unknown Speaker 35:09 Whatever mountains? Yeah, it's runoff. No, no, no, Unknown Speaker 35:12 not the water. How do mountains form Tim? Why did mountains formed in Colorado and not in Arizona? The way that they are in Colorado? Unknown Speaker 35:22 Plate tectonics is the plates. Okay, like you try this at home takes the units from your cabinet. So you understand that push them together. Okay, and watch them get bigger. Sure. So Unknown Speaker 35:33 then the water would come off that elevated. Yes. Surface. Yeah. And run down runoff. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't think that would? Cause of that force? Unknown Speaker 35:46 It would, but it wouldn't create the Grand Canyon. That's too much. Unknown Speaker 35:50 She was so close. You're so dumb. You sheep you Unknown Speaker 36:00 know, so. Unknown Speaker 36:05 I know it was a bear down. Unknown Speaker 36:06 No, it's really funny what? I said that not Ironically, when I went to braid with Bree, to the grandkids all Unknown Speaker 36:13 your wife was stupid sheep. No. Stupid sheep. I said that not ironically. We were having an argument and I said, you stupid sheep. Unknown Speaker 36:23 No, I said that. Not ironically, at the grade kin. I walked out there. And we reverted this. We had the brochures and she was reading. It was like the Colorado River carved this out whatever million years ago. And I was like, No way. And then the rest of the day. We kept hearing, like conspiracy theorists be like, Yeah, can you believe they think the Colorado River did this? I was like, God, dang it. I'm not one of them. Am I but I don't buy it. I do not buy Unknown Speaker 36:49 or not one of them. I'm not stupid. But they have a point. But I agree with everything they're saying is right. Yeah. Like I'm not one of them. I'm not Unknown Speaker 36:59 one of them. But they can be right about one thing. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 37:04 Maybe two, maybe maybe two things you think okay, maybe a lot of things. You know, Unknown Speaker 37:09 I What shape is the earth, Unknown Speaker 37:11 okay? All right. So, Canyon truthers. Unknown Speaker 37:17 And what happens is some years have a little less snow because it was a drier year than the year before. And so then that means that summer, the Colorado has less runoff and less flow. And it's it's in this perpetual state of oscillation. Sure. Because of the Colorado River Compact, all of these states and cities and municipalities are supposed to get 7.5. They know what they get, and they take it no matter what that year looked like. And on top of that, Unknown Speaker 37:46 the because they divided it on acreage, instead of percentage of what the flow actually is true. Unknown Speaker 37:52 Yes, there's a total amount that you get, and not a percentage. Yeah. And so every year, they're taking that amount, even though it might not be there that year. And it never was, because it was an exaggerated number to begin with. And so we have historically since the 20s been pulling more out of the Colorado River than the Colorado River had to pull out of. And this is becoming a massive issue for a few reasons. Unknown Speaker 38:16 Okay, because it's a Ponzi scheme. It is a it is a national forest Ponzi scheme. Unknown Speaker 38:26 That's pretty accurate. Yeah. So there's a problem for a couple of reasons. One, obviously, a lot of people aren't gonna be getting their water. Here's Lake Mead, which is the lake that serves the Hoover Dam. It's drying up. This is connected to the that's the year what year 2000 Yeah, the year 2000 On the left is just 20 years 22 on the right. It's basically just one year difference. Yeah, it's the how rapidly This is drying up right now is absurd. Because what happened in 1999 was a record drought one that drought ran on until 2003. And there was a wet year but in 2004, there was a drought that ran on again until 2009 Which then there was a two year wet year but because these droughts started extending the wet year couldn't keep up with how much it had drained from the reserves. So there's these there's these reservoirs all along it that okay, function as always to give us a backup if there's not a wet year, but because the dry years are getting the dry years are starting to be not just a dry year but 2345 years in a row that are dry, it can't keep up and it's getting drier faster. And so it leads us to the point where Unknown Speaker 39:41 so Oh, hold on though. I just want to make a quick Unknown Speaker 39:52 Yeah, bring your mic over so I can hear you. Can you stretch your Unknown Speaker 40:00 So, for the audio isn't on point of the TV right now. Yeah, he's stood up. So this right here. Yeah, this is now dry, right? Yes. Yeah. What would you call that area? Unknown Speaker 40:09 Yeah, that's to say that that's a dry lake bed. Unknown Speaker 40:12 That's a Troy lake bed. See, look, you're proving my point. Otherwise, no. And Unknown Speaker 40:16 my point here, let me tell you Sure. God, I've always said this for On this episode, but I have showed up at the Grand Canyon. Definitely a beauty Museum. You're not Unknown Speaker 40:26 just single. Well, you're saying is? So this is technically left? A Canyon, correct? Yes. But that's it. Thank you the journal. No further questions. Thank you. Unknown Speaker 40:40 People in our studio. Unknown Speaker 40:46 Great, I'm glad you asked. Stop. So. So here's this is this is about acreage, right. I'm gonna do like a weatherman. So. You're like there's water here? Unknown Speaker 41:04 Yeah, I see. Yeah. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 41:06 But if this is all dry, leaving a vast cavern? Yeah. left in the world. Yeah, that's just a canyon now. Unknown Speaker 41:15 I mean, yes. But not if Unknown Speaker 41:17 that were to be a large enough space. Would we maybe call it Unknown Speaker 41:24 that? Because the deal is the deal. I get what you're trying to say. The point is, it's not the Colorado River. This is a reservoir. This is a lake that was here. And they filled it up with water because they put an artificial dam in the way. I'm saying the aliens put an artificial dam in the way the Grand Canyon, filled it up. And then the sea dried up the Grand Canyon. See, that used to be the dry downs with you? I'm not saying it was Aliens, but I'm saying that there's no way it was just the river sunk for a bunch of years. There was there was a What do Unknown Speaker 41:58 you mean? sunk. dug a hole? No one I don't think Okay. Okay. There had to be. demonstrate this on like a small scale, right? You know, that we can like, Unknown Speaker 42:11 says if you make it bigger, it's gonna be alright, look at this. Look at this. You're not gonna convince me it's not true. Unknown Speaker 42:21 You are. Unknown Speaker 42:25 Okay, so look, here's another example. This is Hoover Dam. Between 22,020 21 Unknown Speaker 42:32 They don't have that little boat there anymore, do they? Unknown Speaker 42:35 Not? Yeah, not an option anymore. Again, a massive difference. This is this is concerning for another reason. along the Colorado River, there's a lot of these hydroelectric dams, Hoover Dam is like the most famous one, you'll see. There's a lot of these. As this water level lowers, Unknown Speaker 42:52 they will do all the work. So they will be able to create power there is Unknown Speaker 42:55 there's a point, which we're about, I think it's 80 or 90 feet. So it seems like a lot, but this is 20 years the difference. And that's easily way over 80 or 90 feet, where we're gonna be below the turbines, and the dam won't be able to produce power. Yeah. Which is where the majority of the power comes from for Las Vegas. And this is the story for a lot of cities along the Colorado River, who are getting a major source of their power from these hydroelectric dams that are now sinking. Unknown Speaker 43:30 What should I not drink this, then? Well, we're Unknown Speaker 43:34 not over there. So we're not taking process and we're not a part of the golf. Unknown Speaker 43:39 Okay. This that stresses me out. Unknown Speaker 43:42 Yeah. Isn't that crazy? So not only are we nearing a state where there's not enough water to go around for just drinking, and like our industry and agriculture, we're going into a situation that is not enough for power. And so it's nearing a situation where not only like, it's dangerous for a lot of reasons. And the thing that I think needs Unknown Speaker 44:05 to collapse in like 20 years. And by that I mean like literally our whole country. Like do you think this whole system we have is not going to last question is what's the point of doing a podcast? Here's what's the point of listening to this. Here's the thing you're driving in your car right now think about the fact that your car's not going to work you know, it can save you here's the thing, there's nothing you can do is the thing that they give out there's no power in your hands. It's over baby had a good run. Unknown Speaker 44:33 That is an interesting point because you might be watching this and saying well I live in the lower basin Unknown Speaker 44:38 How can I help we have a lot of lower base aliens I may take shorter showers I've been trying to reach out to splice and but we just we could Unknown Speaker 44:46 I could get rid of my lawn and do one of those like desert landscapes really Unknown Speaker 44:50 it's not Unknown Speaker 44:51 know if you can get a million people in LA to drastically change their lifestyle and and want to make a dent in this problem. It is such a massive issue where it has to be pretty much the whole, or it's not going to do anything until the sweeping changes are going into effect Unknown Speaker 45:08 where changes are happening. Unknown Speaker 45:09 So a few years ago committee got together and they basically Unknown Speaker 45:13 told the committee thank goodness. Yeah, yeah. Unknown Speaker 45:17 They basically said, Hey, California farmers, a bunch of you don't get any more water. Because they are leaning on this compact that said, upper basin gets the rights. And so if there's ever an issue, we get priority. And so Colorado or California, you guys are using a lot per capita that isn't fair. And so you're using more than you should be allotted. And so you're so they started making them fallow do fallow years where they basically let their land dry up one year, and the next year, they could farm it. So they had a full year where they want to use their land. Yikes. issue at that is getting that land to bounce back and actually dry it up doesn't work. Oh, well. Yeah, it's gonna take years. So most of these farms are are starting to go under. And yeah, that happened in Arizona. That happened in California Unknown Speaker 46:08 immediately cutting revenue in half. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Unknown Speaker 46:13 Well, it was it is as they paid them, they said we'll pay for your follow year. And so we'll pay you what you ever you would have made. And then the next year, you can go ahead. And Unknown Speaker 46:21 oh, I guess that's fair. Money's made up? Unknown Speaker 46:24 No, because then the next year, they can't farm. Because the the farms not bouncing back in one year. Okay. So what happened is they started doing this. Unknown Speaker 46:36 They were like, Whew, that was a bad idea. Sorry, guys, a bunch of farms Unknown Speaker 46:38 shut down. And this year, they started actually saying we can't give water to this district at all anymore. You have no water for farming. And so obviously, that literally forced them out. They aren't able to farm in that area anymore. A couple big impacts that I think were maybe overlooked, or maybe under valued. Were, what these farms do, because a lot of these farms are alfalfa farms. Which feed livestock. Yeah. And are exported. And so this is having a this is putting a strain on the livestock industry. Yep, not just here. But in China. China's a huge export, Japan is a huge export. And so it's constraining those industries as well. And so this is starting to have an impact that's much bigger than just sure southwest into the effect on on the economy. Well, yeah, but Unknown Speaker 47:41 I mean, I'm saying like that's, that's what what, you know, when COVID happens? The whole system relies on itself. Unknown Speaker 47:49 Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's like, the Bronze Age collapse episode we did is okay. It's all just kind of balanced on itself. And what a great one thing that you said that, yeah, that's great. And everything else kind of starts to fail? Well, anyway, Unknown Speaker 48:05 you know, if you're having a bad day, hope that made it worse. Unknown Speaker 48:10 So anyways, the whole point of the story is the Colorado River is in a very scary moment right now. And I think that people in the southwest I know about this, they've heard about it, it's been pretty public. What is scary is if you watch the news, and like, broadcasts about the problem. Sure, it's always given this happy spin. Because most of the cities where the broadcast is coming from, they have a backup plan, they have a another source of water. So the Colorado River can dry up, and there may be a change, there may be a situation where Scottsdale doesn't get to have green lawns anymore. But at the end of the day, you're not going to die. Like you're still gonna have water to drink. Okay. The farms that feed you are going to shut down. Yes, that's not being talked about. In the power plant. I'm thinking about the hydroelectric dams being talked about, I'm Unknown Speaker 49:05 thinking about how that water produce prices. Unknown Speaker 49:08 Oh, totally. Unknown Speaker 49:09 It affects all of us. Totally. Unknown Speaker 49:10 It will it. That's what Unknown Speaker 49:13 I'm trying to say too, is that the system is so built in on itself. But problems are not localized anymore. So it's like, that's not just the Southwest problem. Because the system is so like a, like an arch of rocks. You know, it's not one rock that holds it for the whole thing is built in together. You pull any one of those rocks out the whole thing falls. Exactly. And so what a good time. Yeah, you know, Unknown Speaker 49:39 so there are people trying to work on this and the early 2000s. They got together and they started saying hey, the way we set this up doesn't make sense. We needed to do something about it. They moved kind of slow, and then in 2008, they looked at the difference in water levels, and they're like, We need to move faster. And so they basically did away they didn't do it away. They play a compact with Unknown Speaker 49:58 throwing darts and like sitting in there decorating their cubicles for 30 years. Unknown Speaker 50:04 Like, oh, shoot the waters? Who took all the water? Unknown Speaker 50:12 Holly? Sorry, I was watching the office. I didn't even realize. Unknown Speaker 50:18 Yeah, pretty much. And then in 2008, they were like, Yeah, we're really running out of water really fast. And so the Compact is still in effect. But they basically they created a new version of it, that does go off percentages instead of gallons, or acre feet. Unknown Speaker 50:33 Was it a situation where farmers were taking their take, like what they usually take? Even if they didn't really need all of that? Because it was part of the split? Unknown Speaker 50:45 Um, I guess I don't, I don't think the word need makes sense. I think they were taking as much as they were allotted. Unknown Speaker 50:53 Yeah, but they didn't want it to take the whole amount. Unknown Speaker 50:57 That's debatable. Unknown Speaker 51:00 Like, they could have recycled water, they could have done different tactics earlier. Unknown Speaker 51:05 Well, that's What's complicated about that, too, is like in a lot of upper basin states, it's actually illegal to like collect rainwater, because it serves the Colorado River. And so like you can't collect rainwater for your farms and stuff like that. Sure, because you're limiting what Mexico is getting. And you're breaking the pact. So there's a lot of things where you're Unknown Speaker 51:26 what my, my little my little bend of rainwater. Unknown Speaker 51:32 I'm from Texas. Unknown Speaker 51:36 Okay, this is also what I hate. And we got to wrap this up. Yes. Alex has to get out of here. Yeah. I hate that these kinds of big issues come down to like, where they're on the news. And they're like, man, if you cut down on, you know, you take a shorter shower. Yeah. And then you know, you're Yeah, no. Unknown Speaker 51:54 So what that what it's come down to at this point is they created a new short term plan that expired in 2016. And then they create a new one that expired in 2019. They have one active now that expires in 20/26. That they are currently renegotiating because they've realized that things are moving fast they planned. And so they're the pact still exists, but they are operating as if it doesn't. What's unfortunate is a lot of upper basin states. And farmers, especially are acting like the PAC still exists and are kind of digging their heels in. what the experts are saying is at this point where we're at, there's not a situation that ends without somebody losing water. They're like, we have to take water rights from somebody at the situation we're at, or else everybody loses like this, all of it, all of it. Yeah, it'll completely dry up and there won't be water for anybody. And so pretty much the situation we're in this committee that's put together across the government and all of these states has to decide who they're going to hurt. Or else it doesn't exist anymore. And they're not doing that they're not choosing somebody to hurt. They're trying to make it work for everybody. And it's just not going to so it's a rough situation. Unknown Speaker 53:10 We do the same thing in this room right now. There's five people who do we get hurt one of us is not gonna get to walk down the stairs. Real prisoners experience Yeah, Unknown Speaker 53:23 I choose the horse Unknown Speaker 53:33 things last night is a production of space Tim medium produced by Christian Taylor audio by as Garnett video by Connor Betts. Our graphics and our logo by Caleb Goldberg and our social media is run by Caleb Walker. Our hosts are Jeremiah and Tim stone. Follow us on your favorite social media platform at Taillon podcast is Ti ll en podcast. Remember to tell all your friends about us and we'll see you next Tuesday for another episode of things I learned last night.

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